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| 00:29.38 | bublik | i was wondering if any of you guys know if i can run windows media center in debian so that i can stream tv and movies to my xbox360 extenders |
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| 00:30.13 | bublik | because i would love to put debian wheezy o nmy desktop as i have on my laptop but i use my desktop as a dvr/movie server to xbox 360s all around my house |
| 00:32.26 | Will_Tampa | bublik: you can try to VM the media center |
| 00:32.38 | acdc | no xbmc again please |
| 00:32.44 | acdc | it's just $$$ |
| 00:32.45 | Will_Tampa | worst case you kill the failed project |
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| 00:33.19 | Will_Tampa | or run the Debian in VM on the media center |
| 00:33.41 | Will_Tampa | acdc I hear ya |
| 00:35.02 | Will_Tampa | Likely what I would try ist is to download the Oracle VB & put Deb on the Media center Host |
| 00:35.50 | bublik | kk thanks |
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| 00:45.00 | Konomi | does anyone here happen to run boinc? |
| 00:45.10 | macmouse2 | bublik: You can also run a DLNA compatible media server |
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| 00:45.25 | Konomi | can't get half of it working right it seems to ignore exclusive_app all together |
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| 00:45.30 | macmouse2 | bublik: for example, mediatomb |
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| 00:45.33 | bublik | macmouse2: whats that? |
| 00:45.49 | samgraf | Konomi: Once upon a time. |
| 00:46.28 | macmouse2 | bublik: DLNA is Digital Living Network Alliance... or alphabet soup for an open standard for video streaming at home |
| 00:46.32 | truexfan81 | is there any way to get dpkg-buildpackage to run without a changelog file? google is getting me nowhere |
| 00:46.35 | macmouse2 | I know the xbox 360 works with it great |
| 00:47.16 | macmouse2 | The only catch is you won't be able to stream the tv channels live, or assign recording settings on the xbox |
| 00:47.28 | macmouse2 | but you can play already recorded stuff (that is in the right format) just fine |
| 00:47.51 | macmouse2 | tell the config which folder to monitor, tell it what kind of devices you are using |
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| 00:47.59 | bublik | macmouse2: i use my media center on my desktop with a ceton tv card as a dvr and to stream live tv |
| 00:48.20 | bublik | i use my xbox360s as cable boxes |
| 00:48.27 | macmouse2 | ah... not sure then |
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| 00:49.55 | bublik | ok thanks |
| 00:50.02 | bublik | think im stuck with windows :( |
| 00:50.57 | macmouse2 | there is a proprietary gizmo that does it |
| 00:51.05 | macmouse2 | it's like ~$150 |
| 00:51.06 | Bonez | any debian devs around that use pbuilder-dist and dput/dupload? i cant seem to connect the dots correctly when trying to send a package to our in-house repository |
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| 00:51.21 | Myrtti | mediatomb / plex? |
| 00:51.22 | macmouse2 | hdhomerun |
| 00:51.49 | macmouse2 | a plus is that it works with cable cards |
| 00:52.03 | macmouse2 | and you can use it as an additional recording device on your DVR |
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| 00:53.16 | Myrtti | mythtv might be able to do something |
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| 01:15.30 | jiohdi | since firefox is not in the repo for wheezy yet, has anyone found any issues running it? |
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| 01:17.48 | abrotman | jiohdi: iceweasel works just fine |
| 01:17.51 | epsilon | use iceweasel |
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| 01:18.12 | jiohdi | abrotman, can iceweasel sync up to firefox accts? |
| 01:18.27 | epsilon | it's the same program, just different name |
| 01:19.01 | jiohdi | but its not nearly up to date is it? |
| 01:19.06 | un214 | jiohdi: yes they use the same profile folder |
| 01:19.36 | acdc | why do we need a account for the firefox? |
| 01:19.58 | jiohdi | its an easy way to get all my favorites and passwords |
| 01:20.34 | acdc | we can store a portable firefox and all its data on a small ufd |
| 01:21.06 | un214 | jiohdi: to answer your orginal question: I use firefox with no issues except always manual update |
| 01:21.33 | jiohdi | why does debian rename it? |
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| 01:21.46 | un214 | political fight: don't enter it |
| 01:21.52 | acdc | for strip down |
| 01:22.12 | acdc | and different maintainers |
| 01:22.21 | acdc | (maybe chinese) |
| 01:22.43 | suffix | hey |
| 01:22.48 | suffix | kill -9 isn't working |
| 01:22.56 | jiohdi | try pkill -9 |
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| 01:23.52 | suffix | no, I mean the processes aren't dying |
| 01:24.01 | rww | dpkg: tell jiohdi -about why iceweasel |
| 01:24.03 | acdc | and killall |
| 01:24.41 | suffix | kk |
| 01:24.51 | jiohdi | thank you rww |
| 01:25.23 | rww | (and just to make it clear in case it wasn't: Firefox Sync works fine with Iceweasel, I did it the other day :) |
| 01:25.34 | rww | and as far as up to date, ask dpkg about "mdn" |
| 01:25.50 | rww | s/far as /for/ |
| 01:25.52 | acdc | feels like a weasel to say happy new year to a chicken |
| 01:26.08 | jiohdi | rww, I started with deb 6 and iceweasel did not even have a sync possibility, just recently upgraded to 7-beta? |
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| 01:26.29 | bublik | is 32mb and 3d acceleration enough for a vm box for wheezy with cinnamon? |
| 01:26.38 | acdc | does iceweasel have a gentoo version? |
| 01:26.43 | rww | jiohdi: Debian 6/squeeze comes with Iceweasel 3.5 or so, which indeed doesn't have Sync. Wheezy has 10 (iirc), as does squeeze-backports |
| 01:26.53 | suffix | killall apache2 didn't work |
| 01:26.58 | rww | acdc: this isn't really on-topic, but enabling the bindist USE flag will do basically the same thing |
| 01:27.10 | jiohdi | rww, I have yet to try iceweasel in 7, so here goes in a bit |
| 01:27.11 | acdc | umm |
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| 01:27.55 | acdc | i got an idea. i can just compile it from the source |
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| 01:28.18 | acdc | if firefox is not an option |
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| 01:28.31 | rww | acdc: ...? |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | do you really want to know? |
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| 01:29.20 | acdc | my distro installs chronium by default |
| 01:29.31 | acdc | chromium |
| 01:29.36 | mgodzilla | un214: jiohdi: to answer your orginal question: I use firefox with no issues except always manual update |
| 01:29.41 | mgodzilla | I guess it is... |
| 01:29.58 | suffix | how in the hell am I going to kill apache? |
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| 01:30.03 | suffix | It won't DIE |
| 01:30.16 | acdc | auto re-spawn? |
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| 01:30.36 | acdc | you should kill its mother instead |
| 01:30.38 | Ormus | hello, does somebody know a package that enables copy/pasting from gtk applications to gnustep apps? |
| 01:30.40 | un214 | find / -name apache -print0 | xargs -0 chmod -x ; killall apache |
| 01:31.00 | suffix | un214 what will that do |
| 01:31.15 | un214 | revoke execution of apache binary then kill it |
| 01:31.27 | mgodzilla | nice... |
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| 01:31.35 | abrotman | Ormus: Xorg |
| 01:32.16 | suffix | un214 how will I reenable it? |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | un214: that won't work if it's a zombie |
| 01:32.20 | Ormus | abrotman: well it doesn't work at all |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | Ormus: did you try to middle click ? |
| 01:32.30 | un214 | if you plan to reenable it don't do that |
| 01:32.52 | Ormus | I try to copy from, say, mozilla firefox to a gnustep application like talksoup and it doesn't paste |
| 01:32.55 | suffix | I just need apache to die |
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| 01:32.58 | suffix | it won't DIE |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | suffix: which linux is this? |
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| 01:33.11 | suffix | it died! |
| 01:33.14 | suffix | finally! |
| 01:33.15 | Ormus | abrotman: no middle click doesn't paste. |
| 01:33.16 | un214 | sorry I intrepeted it as perminently |
| 01:33.23 | Ormus | im using windowmaker |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | Ormus: then ctrl-c, ctrl-v should |
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| 01:33.41 | truexfan81 | is there a channel for getting help with things like dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | Ormus: wmaker uses middle click to paste last time i tried it |
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| 01:33.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell truexfan81 about mentors |
| 01:33.59 | abrotman | truexfan81: though, if you're just bulidng a package, it's not that hard |
| 01:34.16 | Ormus | it doesn't... |
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| 01:34.20 | truexfan81 | bot didn't help |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | truexfan81: bot told you where to get help |
| 01:34.41 | truexfan81 | i'm trying to make a changelog file so i can get dpkg-buildpackage to compile something |
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| 01:34.47 | abrotman | truexfan81: otherwise, use a pastebin to show us |
| 01:34.59 | Ormus | it's two different toolkits |
| 01:35.30 | Ormus | the reverse does work though |
| 01:35.33 | truexfan81 | abrotman: i'm trying to get dpkg-buildpackage to compile this https://github.com/lachs0r/SMPlayer2 |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | truexfan81: i need a pastebin of your problem |
| 01:35.45 | Ormus | if say i paste from here to an application like mozilla or libreoffice |
| 01:35.48 | Ormus | copy* |
| 01:36.03 | truexfan81 | it does not include a debian changelog and dpkg-buildpackage refuses to run without one |
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| 01:36.09 | abrotman | so make one |
| 01:36.14 | truexfan81 | trying |
| 01:36.19 | truexfan81 | not having any luck |
| 01:36.40 | truexfan81 | i even tried grabbing the one from gentoo and modifying it, didn't work either |
| 01:37.17 | truexfan81 | been trying to make a working one for 3 hours, now i'm asking for help |
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| 01:37.28 | un214 | *shrug* the only way I know how to make pacakges is invoking ar directly |
| 01:39.07 | acdc | truexfan81: why don't you just use portable apps? |
| 01:39.23 | truexfan81 | portable apps? |
| 01:39.31 | acdc | truexfan81: umm |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | truexfan81: we need to see your errors .. guessing is silly |
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| 01:41.37 | acdc | multi-arch vs. multi-libs? |
| 01:42.29 | truexfan81 | eww multi-arch makes it run slower ick |
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| 01:44.55 | acdc | i don't care. mine always faster than yours |
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| 01:45.31 | truexfan81 | this is on a netbook, needs all the speed it can get |
| 01:45.36 | jiohdi | youtube works but flashplayer is not installed? how is that happening? |
| 01:45.53 | jiohdi | on iceweasel |
| 01:45.54 | acdc | html5 is ok |
| 01:47.07 | acdc | iceweasel has its own ways to deal with youtube videos |
| 01:47.29 | acdc | iceweasel uses free gnash |
| 01:47.50 | jiohdi | can flash be installed and work in iceweasel? |
| 01:48.05 | nocoast | truexfan81, does multiarch really make it run slower? |
| 01:48.09 | acdc | this is still working well in debian live v6.0.7 |
| 01:48.32 | truexfan81 | if on 32bit yes |
| 01:48.36 | acdc | jiohdi: you can try |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | jiohdi: yes |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | !tell jiohdi about adobe flash |
| 01:49.42 | acdc | if the gnash works, why do you want to change it? |
| 01:50.00 | yahbah | the best OS is going to secureboot into a cloud hosted html5 gui |
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| 01:50.19 | mgodzilla | uh oh...here we go. |
| 01:50.21 | acdc | yahbah: and you are locked up |
| 01:50.30 | abrotman | mgodzilla: no, we aren't |
| 01:50.48 | acdc | yahbah: your pc is just a expensive (google) terminal |
| 01:51.05 | abrotman | acdc: take it elsewhere, not related to #debian, thank you |
| 01:51.12 | yahbah | not that expencive |
| 01:51.13 | nocoast | acdc, Mines not |
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| 01:51.21 | nocoast | I do a ton of local stuff |
| 01:51.26 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:51.26 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:51.41 | mgodzilla | ^ |
| 01:51.47 | un214 | abrotman is getting touchy better be careful |
| 01:51.51 | yahbah | my pc was about 400 euros |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | un214: you can /part any time you like |
| 01:52.08 | abrotman | that was easy enough |
| 01:52.33 | pfred1 | yahbah my PC cost a dollar |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | take it to #debian-offtopic, last warning |
| 01:52.49 | yahbah | abrotman: dream is to have this channel free from useres |
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| 01:53.27 | abrotman | yahbah: you're not actually helping anyone |
| 01:53.40 | nocoast | yahbah, yeah thats unneeded man |
| 01:53.47 | nocoast | This place is getting as bad as #archlinux |
| 01:53.49 | nocoast | cmon |
| 01:54.04 | yahbah | superfluous even |
| 01:54.07 | pfred1 | nocoast I ran Arch for 5 minutes once |
| 01:54.08 | nocoast | (i have nothing against arch as a distro their chan is just unruly) |
| 01:54.11 | sudokode | nocoast: how dare you |
| 01:54.17 | sudokode | lol unruly |
| 01:54.18 | nocoast | Im running arch currently |
| 01:54.22 | nocoast | Dude it is |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 01:54.40 | rww | Multiarch doesn't make your computer run slower, Flash works fine on Iceweasel, half of Youtube works fine without Flash because of Youtube HTML5, anything else? |
| 01:55.04 | abrotman | rww: Adobe Flash can make your system run slower :) |
| 01:55.07 | pfred1 | nocoast all I can say is it is a good thing I had an old install CD of another distro lying around |
| 01:55.18 | rww | abrotman: indeed, Flash is horrid |
| 01:55.42 | nevyn | also points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 01:55.49 | mgodzilla | I'm runnin' fail2ban on my Debian squeeze apache box. |
| 01:55.51 | yahbah | who neeeds flash now that everything uses html6 |
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| 01:56.03 | nocoast | whats fail2ban |
| 01:56.03 | mgodzilla | link to further secure my box? |
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| 01:56.21 | abrotman | nocoast: it's a script that you can use to trigger iptables to reject IPs |
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| 01:56.32 | abrotman | mgodzilla: what's the fail2ban for? |
| 01:57.03 | yahbah | for taking peoples voice |
| 01:57.09 | mgodzilla | I was told that it prevents people from continually tryin' to guess the password to my box. |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | mgodzilla: that's one method .. yes |
| 01:57.37 | nevyn | prefers just not having passwords... |
| 01:57.42 | yahbah | i invented the concept |
| 01:57.43 | mgodzilla | hmm...I will read up on it. |
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| 01:58.00 | mgodzilla | mmhmm... |
| 01:58.15 | mgodzilla | nevyn: you use keys? |
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| 01:58.27 | mgodzilla | or certs? |
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| 01:58.50 | nevyn | no passwords are the tool of the man to prevent users co-operating |
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| 01:59.35 | nevyn | I'm kidding I mostly use keys... ;) |
| 01:59.43 | mgodzilla | ban evasion...this isn't goin' to end well :/ |
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| 02:14.06 | nocoast | how do keys work at login nevyn |
| 02:14.32 | abrotman | nocoast: /msg dpkg ssh keys |
| 02:14.40 | nocoast | No i know about ssh keys |
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| 02:14.52 | nocoast | But say when you bootup |
| 02:14.56 | nocoast | and you get a gnome login |
| 02:14.57 | nocoast | how would you |
| 02:15.00 | nocoast | use the key? |
| 02:15.08 | nocoast | Or does user level shit like that |
| 02:15.11 | nocoast | use a diff password? |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | nocoast: less enter key please |
| 02:15.32 | nocoast | like when you type sudo what are you prompted with? |
| 02:15.34 | abrotman | nocoast: this is for ssh, not for X. Your servers shouldn't run X |
| 02:15.57 | nocoast | Well with servers im well acquainted with keys |
| 02:16.19 | nocoast | My desktop is somewhat of a meld of a buildserver and just a desktop but id like to think its relatively secure :p |
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| 02:18.15 | abrotman | nocoast: they're saying you don't use passwords for ssh for your apache server .. you use ssh keys |
| 02:18.47 | nocoast | I understand. |
| 02:18.58 | nocoast | Ive used rsa/dsa auth |
| 02:19.02 | nocoast | for sshing |
| 02:19.11 | nocoast | many times when i was still on a mac and couldnt compile locally |
| 02:19.35 | nocoast | (or at least was having conflicts with gcc 4.7/C++11 at the time) |
| 02:20.07 | nocoast | I was wondering if i could use encrypted key like a file on a usb stick or something and plug it in as local authentication for login and sudo etc |
| 02:20.13 | nocoast | i think thatd be cool and secure |
| 02:20.22 | nocoast | If you encrypted the stick aswell |
| 02:20.23 | nocoast | or something |
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| 02:23.17 | bezaban | I think there was something that would use bluetooth to require a certain device to be in proximity to a machine to unlock it |
| 02:23.52 | bezaban | not looked into it in detail, but it's similar to what you are thinking, a physycial factor |
| 02:24.21 | census | why is apeiron still here?? |
| 02:24.59 | census | aperion belongs in #perl where he can bannish more people from improving their computing skills |
| 02:25.06 | bezaban | also way to spell physical. |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | census: knock it off |
| 02:25.14 | suffix | why would a large number of connections kill my website? (something like ab -n 500 -c 40 www.mysite.com) apache // wheezy // druapl6 |
| 02:25.25 | census | i just wish aperion would be a man and say "I banned you for reason X" |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | suffix: look in your apache logs |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | census: STOP |
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| 02:30.32 | bezaban | is there anywhere I can get a few spam mails sent to me for spam filter testing/learning? |
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| 02:31.14 | abrotman | bezaban: almost all spam filters will recognize the GTUBE string |
| 02:32.04 | bezaban | abrotman: thanks, just got a google hit on that, asked a bit prematurely :) |
| 02:32.43 | rww | huh, cool. Didn't know about that, it will be useful to me too. |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | bezaban: and there's the eicar string for virus scanning if you need that also |
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| 02:35.01 | jiohdi | adobe flash nonfree seems to be successfully installed but iceweasel is still ignoring it, Firefox now installed is also ignoring it, what do I have to change? |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | jiohdi: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | jiohdi: and you have to close all open windows of iceweasel |
| 02:35.49 | jiohdi | is that as root or jiohdi/usr? |
| 02:35.55 | abrotman | as root |
| 02:37.08 | jiohdi | it says there is only one alt. /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so |
| 02:37.18 | bezaban | thought I would send it from my mail server machine via a forwarded account, but it even denies sending a mail with the gtube string |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | jiohdi: how did you install flash? |
| 02:37.21 | bezaban | very nice |
| 02:37.41 | jiohdi | abrotman, via packages.debian |
| 02:37.53 | abrotman | jiohdi: you installed the flashplugin-nonfree package? |
| 02:37.56 | jiohdi | yes |
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| 02:38.20 | abrotman | jiohdi: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 02:38.56 | jiohdi | abrotman, command not found |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | jiohdi: sounds like you didn't install it |
| 02:39.18 | abrotman | jiohdi: are you amd64 or i386? |
| 02:39.24 | jiohdi | i386 |
| 02:39.30 | jiohdi | I used dpkg -i |
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| 02:39.41 | abrotman | jiohdi: install it again, put the output in a pastebin |
| 02:39.57 | jiohdi | using dpkg -i? |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:43.09 | jiohdi | abrotman, |
| 02:43.10 | jiohdi | http://pastebin.com/1AJN10R9 |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | jiohdi: that's a sound package? |
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| 02:44.58 | jiohdi | it says its flash w/sound |
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| 02:45.16 | abrotman | jiohdi: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_2.8.2+squeeze1_i386.deb |
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| 02:46.04 | jiohdi | got the wrong one eh |
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| 02:46.12 | abrotman | that's what i said :) |
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| 02:50.09 | nocoast | is there a reason that debian has to use such dated packages? |
| 02:50.22 | nocoast | Arent newer packages often times MORE stable |
| 02:50.33 | nocoast | as they have the newest patches etc. |
| 02:50.53 | stew | nocoast: no, changing version can't by definition be more stable than not |
| 02:50.55 | DesertFox | Newer doesn't mean its been optimized in any way |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | nocoast: and some of those patches are backported |
| 02:51.22 | nocoast | Thats true |
| 02:51.24 | nocoast | about the backports |
| 02:51.33 | nocoast | DesertFox, i wasnt commenting on the optimizations |
| 02:51.42 | nocoast | Although with newer packages come newer toolchains |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | nocoast: newer versions can also introduce bugs |
| 02:51.51 | nocoast | newer toolchains usually offer higher optimization levels |
| 02:51.58 | nocoast | They can also fix them though too |
| 02:51.59 | nocoast | . |
| 02:52.01 | rww | If you don't change code, you can't introduce new bugs. Having a list of existing bugs and backporting the critical ones away has benefits over upgrading to a new version with new bugs. |
| 02:52.12 | DesertFox | nocoast: thats a assumption. |
| 02:52.16 | nocoast | Yeah but if you dont change code you cant fix codes either |
| 02:52.19 | stew | not changing is precicely the definition of stable that we are aiming for |
| 02:52.23 | abrotman | nocoast: but we do change code .. |
| 02:52.27 | rww | nocoast: hence backporting critical bugs |
| 02:52.28 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 02:52.28 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
| 02:52.38 | nocoast | No i understand the concept of stable |
| 02:52.39 | nocoast | for debian |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | not sure you do |
| 02:52.45 | nocoast | Ive read that |
| 02:52.47 | nocoast | Yes |
| 02:52.48 | stew | nocoast: you don't seem to |
| 02:52.48 | nocoast | I do |
| 02:52.49 | jiohdi | abrotman, that did the trick, thanks |
| 02:52.56 | stew | nocoast: then how can a newer package be more stable? |
| 02:52.57 | nocoast | Im referring to a diff type of stable |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | jiohdi: have so much fun watching youtube videos :) |
| 02:53.12 | jiohdi | abrotman, hulu mostly :) |
| 02:53.16 | nocoast | Newer packages can be more stable, in the sense that im referring to |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | jiohdi: close enough |
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| 02:53.22 | nocoast | as in the 'stable' as in runtime stable |
| 02:53.23 | stew | nocoast: then yes, a different version might be more or less stabile in the crashiness sense |
| 02:53.25 | nocoast | i.e. |
| 02:53.26 | nocoast | less bugs |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | nocoast: they can also be less stable |
| 02:53.32 | nocoast | Correct |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nocoast about enter |
| 02:53.36 | nocoast | stew, |
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| 02:54.05 | nocoast | I understand the need |
| 02:54.29 | stew | well that was a quick turnaround |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | every now and then |
| 02:54.58 | nocoast | to merge things properly and correctly so as to create a really well tested environment but for example, gnome shell 3.6 has been around for like over a year now and wheezy still isnt even looking at it |
| 02:55.11 | abrotman | so you still don't understand stable |
| 02:55.16 | nocoast | No i get the concept |
| 02:55.20 | stew | wheezy was frozen in june |
| 02:55.21 | nocoast | its just aggrivating |
| 02:55.25 | nocoast | Yeah i know |
| 02:55.33 | stew | and it has gnome |
| 02:55.36 | nocoast | I just wish they wouldve frozen it with 3.6 |
| 02:55.37 | stew | of course |
| 02:55.39 | rww | "W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en: Hash Sum mismatch" => the correct solution to that is to just wait and re-update later, right? |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | rww: dont' use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:56.00 | rww | alrighty |
| 02:56.11 | rww | http.debian.net, or something else? |
| 02:56.12 | nocoast | I guess what im saying is, i hope debian expedites merging newer packages if they are found to be stable |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | rww: where is the system ? |
| 02:56.22 | rww | abrotman: Fremont, California |
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| 02:56.47 | nocoast | Its the only thing that keeps me from running it and i dont mean that in any kind of disrespectful way but its my eagerness for newer packages that keeps me away from my otherwise favorite distro :p |
| 02:56.48 | rww | (it's a VPS) |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | rww: there are a number of mirrors located in CA .. you can use http.debian.net if you prefer, or just name your mirror specifically |
| 02:56.56 | hrenovo | hi. how can I get iptables rules to remain after debian 6 reboot ? |
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| 02:57.11 | DesertFox | did you save them? |
| 02:57.16 | abrotman | hrenovo: use iptables-save/restore |
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| 02:57.27 | rww | peruses /msg dpkg mirror |
| 02:58.04 | jiohdi | abrotman, one last thing re firefox/iceweasel it does not seem to be saving settings from open to close to reopen |
| 02:58.26 | stew | nocoast: the way packages flow through debian is not likely to change. the only likely change is that we'll eventually have a ppa like thing for developers, so if there were miraculously a big influx of gnome volunteers, they could start maintaining another version in parallel which would likely be less stable in all senses of the word |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | jiohdi: check your settings, i've not had that issue |
| 02:58.50 | jiohdi | abrotman, what sort of settings? |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | jiohdi: the one that is for saving your settings :) |
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| 02:59.28 | jiohdi | abrotman, while I am not a newoob I am not anywhere near a former spert either |
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| 02:59.45 | abrotman | former spert? |
| 02:59.51 | jiohdi | ex-spert |
| 02:59.58 | rww | "W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en: Hash Sum mismatch" :s |
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| 03:00.16 | abrotman | jiohdi: check the "General" settings |
| 03:00.24 | jiohdi | for? |
| 03:00.40 | rww | gets the impression that a mirror by any other name is still busy syncing |
| 03:00.50 | jiohdi | its like telling me to look under the hood of the car at the engine... |
| 03:00.56 | abrotman | rww: that's still a round robin |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | jiohdi: the option to save your tabs ? |
| 03:01.05 | jiohdi | I see alsorts of nifty parts but I have no idea what I am looking at |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | jiohdi: is it not saving any of your settings? |
| 03:01.40 | jiohdi | it restarts like I have done nothing... when I told it to remember things |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | jiohdi: remove your .mozilla directory .. try it again |
| 03:02.09 | jiohdi | ah, gotchat |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | make sure you close all running windows beofre doing that |
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| 03:04.39 | hrenovo | in centos I use command 'service iptables status' to get useful info about iptables rules. What is the equivalent or similar command in Debian 6 ? |
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| 03:05.18 | abrotman | hrenovo: there's no init script for iptables in Debian by default .. |
| 03:05.29 | abrotman | hrenovo: what do you want to know? iptables -L -n |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | it'll show you active rules |
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| 03:06.35 | jiohdi | thanks abrotman I owe you a few |
| 03:07.02 | hrenovo | abrotman: doesn't list all rules |
| 03:07.12 | stew | hrenovo: have a look at iptabes-save and iptables-restore |
| 03:07.30 | acdc | is looking at his gold-like iptables rules |
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| 03:08.17 | kveroneau_ | jiohdi. I'd recommended renaming .mozilla to something else over removing it entirely. |
| 03:08.42 | jiohdi | kveroneau, a bit late, but thanks for the tip, I already did rename it :) |
| 03:09.29 | kveroneau_ | You could also try using chown -R to change the perms on the directory to the user running iceweasel. |
| 03:10.12 | jiohdi | g'nytol and thanx again |
| 03:10.13 | DesertFox | persm on the directory to the user |
| 03:10.19 | DesertFox | Had to read that a few times. |
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| 03:11.02 | hrenovo | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 03:11.36 | hrenovo | I need to make sure that this rule is saved for Debian 6 reboot |
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| 03:12.11 | hrenovo | how can I make sure that the above iptables rule is saved? |
| 03:12.27 | kveroneau_ | I thought all users had perms... or is it just me |
| 03:12.48 | DesertFox | all files have perms, and user/groups |
| 03:12.57 | stew | hrenovo: use iptables-save to save your rules to a file somewhere in /etc/, then in a up line in /etc/network/interfaces use iptables-restore to restore rules from that file |
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| 03:13.52 | kveroneau_ | hrenovo. You need to manually save it, then restore it on each boot using a pre-up directive in your interfaces file. |
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| 03:16.33 | hrenovo | can you give an example line for /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:17.15 | pfred1 | hrenovo allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:17.41 | stew | hrenovo: pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules |
| 03:17.55 | pfred1 | stew eww none of that! |
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| 03:18.04 | stew | pfred1: what? |
| 03:18.28 | pfred1 | my router does enough firewalling |
| 03:18.56 | stew | pfred1: is there something you need help with? |
| 03:19.57 | pfred1 | stew yeah sure where is cdrecord in Debian? |
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| 03:20.19 | stew | pfred1: it was removed and a fork named wodim replaced it |
| 03:20.33 | pfred1 | stew I know but wodim boaze goatse |
| 03:20.49 | stew | pfred1: what? |
| 03:22.10 | pfred1 | stew wodim is inferior to cdrecord |
| 03:22.22 | stew | ok |
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| 03:23.50 | WaKeMaTTa | hi, someone here? |
| 03:24.13 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: more than 1000 people |
| 03:24.23 | pfred1 | stew Debian promised to drop their miserable hack of cdrecord and I'm wondering when they will honor their promise |
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| 03:25.32 | stew | pfred1: I don't believe that. but if there are reasons for its removal, you can take that up with the bts |
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| 03:26.03 | stew | pfred1: however I get the sense that you aren't actually here in order to either get help or provide help, but are here instead to try to be disrupting perhaps just for your own amusement |
| 03:26.06 | kveroneau | My connection dropped. |
| 03:26.15 | stew | pfred1: if that's the case, please just move it to a social channel |
| 03:26.29 | stew | pfred1: if you actually have tangible problems you need help with, lets focus on those |
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| 03:27.03 | WaKeMaTTa | Hello, would download debian, but I see I have to download 8 DVD??? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 03:27.08 | pfred1 | stew no I just have trouble using wodim to burn disks from the command line like i used to be able to do with cdrecord |
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| 03:27.55 | stew | pfred1: so you are trying to use wodim which you wish debian no longer distributed? seems a little odd. but anyway, you'll have to ask a specific question if we are to have any chance of helping you |
| 03:27.57 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa you can just download the network install image |
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| 03:28.31 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa I think it is 341MB |
| 03:28.45 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: everything beyond the 200mb or so netinst is really only necessary in order to get packages to computers that can't otherwise download them from a network |
| 03:29.07 | WaKeMaTTa | is this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:29.09 | WaKeMaTTa | ?? |
| 03:29.28 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: yes |
| 03:29.43 | pfred1 | that is one of them |
| 03:29.56 | WaKeMaTTa | ok |
| 03:29.58 | WaKeMaTTa | thx |
| 03:30.03 | pfred1 | the 64 bit one I believe |
| 03:30.26 | WaKeMaTTa | x32 or x64? |
| 03:30.46 | pfred1 | being as it says multi-arch I think it tries to do both |
| 03:30.52 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: that one can install either 32 bit or 64 bit |
| 03:31.12 | pfred1 | well it is likely 64 bit with compat libs |
| 03:31.41 | pfred1 | but that is just a guess on my part as I do no run 64 bit personally |
| 03:32.13 | pfred1 | 32 bits is enough for me |
| 03:32.17 | WaKeMaTTa | my question was, your recommend me x32 or x64? |
| 03:32.27 | zykotick9 | the multi-arch lets you install EITHER 32 OR 64 bit... very handy for usbkeys |
| 03:32.33 | pfred1 | most folks opt for 64 bits today |
| 03:32.50 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: how much memory will you have? |
| 03:33.00 | sencha | runs 32-bit debian on 64-bit hardware |
| 03:33.02 | WaKeMaTTa | 4GB |
| 03:33.02 | sencha | with 4 GB of RAM |
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| 03:33.37 | stew | 4gb is the break point between where it makes sense to use 32 bit or 64 bit |
| 03:33.51 | pfred1 | without PAE 32 bit seems to top out at 3550MB here |
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| 03:34.58 | pfred1 | because this system has 4GB installed but free only says i have 3550MB |
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| 03:36.47 | WaKeMaTTa | pfred1: happened to me as well when installing windows 7 x32 |
| 03:36.54 | acdc | pfred1: you can use more if you install more ram |
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| 03:37.10 | pfred1 | acdc I have more RAM installed |
| 03:37.22 | acdc | 8gb? |
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| 03:37.34 | pfred1 | acdc without PAE enabled Linux can only read 3.5GB of it though |
| 03:37.45 | tapout | I have a bunch of : libfcoe_device_notification: NETDEV_UNREGISTER ip6tnl0 ... and lo, tun10, sit0, ... anyone know what these are? |
| 03:38.02 | acdc | puppy slacko with pae can see all my memory |
| 03:38.10 | WaKeMaTTa | what is PAE? |
| 03:38.11 | pfred1 | PAE sucks |
| 03:38.18 | acdc | puppy slacko with pae is 32-bit |
| 03:38.32 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: a way to get 32-bit kernel to address more ram, with a performance hit |
| 03:38.34 | pfred1 | it is a way tp page memory |
| 03:38.35 | acdc | pae is not god though |
| 03:38.51 | acdc | umm, just paging |
| 03:39.14 | acdc | it's like dos's himem |
| 03:39.43 | pfred1 | I'm only using 404MB of RAM now |
| 03:39.59 | WaKeMaTTa | After this little conversation I prefer debian x64 |
| 03:40.05 | acdc | only a 64 os can release the power of 8/16/32gb of ram |
| 03:40.07 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: if you use 32 bit you get to see 3.5 gigs of your ram, if you use 64 bit, you get all 4 gigs, but your apps will use more to do the same thing just because they are 64 bit. with more than 4 gb, you should use 64 bit, with less than 4 you should use 32 bit |
| 03:40.47 | pfred1 | plus if you need to use 32 bit apps 64 bit can be problematic |
| 03:40.50 | acdc | another point, 32-bit = no kvm |
| 03:41.09 | stew | there should be no problems using 32 bit apps on 64 bit |
| 03:41.18 | pfred1 | compat isn't always as compat as its name suggests |
| 03:41.21 | stew | there is no way to run 64 bit apps on 32 |
| 03:41.24 | acdc | not vise versa |
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| 03:41.45 | pfred1 | stew there shouldn't be but that does not mean that there aren't |
| 03:41.47 | stew | pfred1: what kinds of problems are there running a 32 bit application under a 64 bit kernel |
| 03:42.02 | stew | pfred1: tell me what some of the problems are |
| 03:42.11 | WaKeMaTTa | and I knew that |
| 03:42.16 | acdc | people are still using 32bit linux cause of wine |
| 03:42.18 | pfred1 | stew I had a process called sd(exec) lock my system up |
| 03:42.31 | stew | pfred1: what is sd(exec)? |
| 03:42.32 | acdc | 32bit wine for 32bit windows apps |
| 03:42.37 | pfred1 | stew I've no idea |
| 03:43.00 | DesertFox | tapout: my google skills are saying its your interfaces dropping |
| 03:43.10 | stew | pfred1: sd(exec) is a 32 bit process? |
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| 03:43.40 | naknik | I connected to server (ftp) and it opens in opera instead of nautilus |
| 03:43.41 | pfred1 | stew I'll say it again I've no idea all I do know is it rapidly consumed all of my CPU power and subsequently locked my entire system up |
| 03:43.46 | naknik | why? |
| 03:43.49 | tapout | DesertFox, and that's what I saw as well but someone said it's fiber over (something) channel.. so I was kinda confused |
| 03:43.54 | naknik | can I make it open on nautilus? |
| 03:44.12 | stew | pfred1: what if anything at all does this have to do with running 32 bit apps with a 64 bit kernel? |
| 03:44.18 | DesertFox | tapout: still looking but nothing asfar as a fix, and most is old stuff. |
| 03:44.20 | WaKeMaTTa | My idea is to move to debian completely, but I'm a gamer of asin pc windwos I have to use too:-S |
| 03:44.31 | pfred1 | stew it happened while I was trying to use the 32 bit compat libs |
| 03:44.46 | stew | pfred1: what is a 32 bit compat lib? |
| 03:44.56 | pfred1 | stew how 64 bit runs 32 bit apps |
| 03:45.06 | DesertFox | But most instances appear to just be one interface, and you seem to be experiencing it on all interfaces |
| 03:45.08 | stew | what does the compat part mean? |
| 03:45.28 | pfred1 | stew what do you think it means? |
| 03:45.33 | stew | pfred1: i don't know |
| 03:45.53 | stew | pfred1: I don't think the thing you are talking about exists |
| 03:46.20 | stew | pfred1: when you run 32 bit stuff, you don't install "compatibility" libs or anything, you ust install the i386 packages |
| 03:46.21 | pfred1 | stew so you think a 64 bit OS just natively runs 32 bit applications? |
| 03:46.31 | stew | pfred1: I'm positive it does |
| 03:46.40 | stew | pfred1: I do it on just about all my debian machines |
| 03:46.43 | acdc | windows 7 64bit can run 32bit apps |
| 03:46.54 | acdc | for example |
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| 03:47.04 | pfred1 | acdc sure Windows has a whole 32 bit API |
| 03:47.05 | stew | debian has been shipping 64 bit kernels in i386 for several releases now |
| 03:47.46 | acdc | great |
| 03:47.49 | stew | and when I'm installing 32 bit stuff in debian, i'm just isntalling the same i386 pacakges that you would install if you started with a i386 install |
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| 03:48.02 | pfred1 | stew of course |
| 03:48.07 | stew | that should be "32 bit stuff in a amd64 install" |
| 03:48.22 | naknik | how to make ftp open open on nautilus? |
| 03:49.09 | pfred1 | stew http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/howto-install-32-bit-libraries-on-64-bit-linux-using-yum-505352/ |
| 03:49.33 | WaKeMaTTa | naknik http://superuser.com/questions/72738/open-ftp-links-with-nautilus |
| 03:49.53 | stew | pfred1: what about it? |
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| 03:50.15 | pfred1 | stew apparently someone else other than me has heard of it |
| 03:50.30 | stew | pfred1: heard of what? |
| 03:50.32 | pfred1 | BTW welcome to my ignore list |
| 03:50.38 | bit0 | hello |
| 03:50.41 | rww | raises an eyebrow |
| 03:50.49 | WaKeMaTTa | the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 03:51.05 | stew | pfred1: someone once had a package manaagement problem in centos is not a sign taht 32 bit apps are buggy under 64 bit kernels |
| 03:51.08 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa different groups are responsible for the projects |
| 03:51.34 | naknik | WaKeMaTTa, there is no ftp entry |
| 03:51.36 | WaKeMaTTa | and this affects? |
| 03:51.48 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa mostly quality |
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| 03:52.25 | WaKeMaTTa | naknik: http://radu.cotescu.com/how-to-set-nautilus-as-default-ftp-application/ |
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| 03:53.11 | WaKeMaTTa | you that GNU / LINUX choose? |
| 03:53.14 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa those different groups have different goals which cause them to have different focus |
| 03:53.59 | WaKeMaTTa | any "table" to indicate approaches each more or less? |
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| 03:54.57 | pfred1 | well neither directly compares themselves to the other that I am aware of |
| 03:55.17 | pfred1 | you would just have to become familiar with both and then draw your own conclusions |
| 03:55.50 | naknik | WaKeMaTTa, still no go |
| 03:56.16 | pfred1 | in my opinion Debian is more focused on releasing the highest quality product that they can though |
| 03:56.19 | acdc | cuts strew on graves |
| 03:56.21 | stew | WaKeMaTTa: debian is 100% volunteer run and focues on being 100% free and stable. ubuntu is run by a corporation and seems to focus on an easier user experience. |
| 03:57.04 | WaKeMaTTa | naknik: http://www.maketecheasier.com/use-nautilus-as-a-ftp-client/2010/01/20 |
| 03:57.17 | dvs | doesn't know about "100% stable" :-) |
| 03:57.21 | acdc | iirc, debain always point to chinese servers for updates |
| 03:57.47 | acdc | no matter what's your source |
| 03:58.04 | stew | dvs: i meant 100% to not be modifying stable :) |
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| 03:58.21 | stew | acdc: what are you talking about? |
| 03:59.24 | Seekanet | its those dang chinese servers stew, making everyone go crazy in here |
| 03:59.31 | Seekanet | lol |
| 03:59.41 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa the main criticism of Debian might be that in making a high wuality distribution they may be a bit slower at it than others are making lesser offerings |
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| 04:00.16 | DesertFox | tapout: i looked high and low, natta :( |
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| 04:00.24 | tapout | DesertFox, same |
| 04:00.41 | tapout | appreciate the assistance, i was hoping to find a solution .. ah well |
| 04:00.43 | tapout | :) |
| 04:00.52 | DesertFox | Is it just msgs, or are the intefaces actually dropping? |
| 04:01.28 | WaKeMaTTa | pfred1: wuality??? |
| 04:01.37 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa that is called a typo |
| 04:02.21 | pfred1 | WaKeMaTTa when my time machine is repaired I will go back and repair it too |
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| 04:07.54 | WaKeMaTTa | I me wait to debian for 7 or pass to the debian 6 ? |
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| 04:11.46 | DesertFox | tapout: found this, its in french http://forum.ovh.com/archive/index.php/t-84666.html But they mention the fiber too, i don't see a 1 shot fix, they make reference to fcoe-utils http://www.open-fcoe.org/ |
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| 04:29.52 | changerse | hello all |
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| 04:37.15 | WaKeMaTTa | hi |
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| 04:48.52 | changerse | i have a question iv run into problem installin on old laptop always crashes on select and install software so iv oversteped that and finished the install my ? is what actually gets installed during that section is it anything important to running laptop or can that be installed from command prompt |
| 04:49.35 | DesertFox | Well, is it working |
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| 04:53.55 | changerse | if so how |
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| 05:12.54 | adjen | hi |
| 05:12.56 | adjen | i discover a new great exploit to get root take a look http://ro0t.dyndns-server.com/ |
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| 05:15.11 | STMelon | .:STMelon:. y should i goto that site thats hosted via your IP when you could have posted your findings on pastebin? |
| 05:15.12 | STMelon | .:STMelon:. ro0t.dyndns-server.com has address 41.224.185.41 |
| 05:15.21 | STMelon | dont goto that site, he is spamming every room |
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| 05:16.35 | DesertFox | I prefer to see evolution take its course. |
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| 05:16.51 | STMelon | cool, then get rooted |
| 05:17.21 | DesertFox | Didn't mean myself. Just commenting on you actually saying something. |
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| 05:18.18 | STMelon | you trying to help or just trolling? this is a support channel, i see an issue/spammer/script kid post spam, i will inform the rooms im in about it to help others see |
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| 05:19.32 | DesertFox | No harm ment. I saw him trolling channels as well. |
| 05:19.51 | STMelon | none taken :P cary on |
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| 05:20.24 | apm1 | DesertFox, "i prefer to see evolution take its course " |
| 05:20.44 | apm1 | that sounds like you wanna see stupid people rooted |
| 05:21.32 | DesertFox | Yah, I have a very cynical sense of humor. |
| 05:21.57 | apm1 | believes DesertFox is a sadist |
| 05:21.58 | sencha | what's clicking on that link do, anyway? |
| 05:22.22 | DesertFox | <mauke> adjen: that looks like it's opening popups, setting cookies, and otherwise interacting with adfoc.us |
| 05:22.31 | DesertFox | Was someone elses take on the link. |
| 05:22.39 | DesertFox | I didn't click it myself. |
| 05:22.40 | STMelon | well since his IP matches the same IP of the site he posted, good chance its an exploit for him to gain access to your machine (or attempt to) |
| 05:22.40 | DesertFox | :P |
| 05:23.09 | apm1 | in this case th freenode staff needs to be alerted |
| 05:23.38 | sencha | hmm |
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| 05:26.30 | rww | It's a redirect to a pay-per-click ad spam site, and he already got autokilled by an antispam bot |
| 05:27.04 | rww | We now return to your scheduled broadcast of "#debian: an on-topic Debian support channel for Debian support". |
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| 05:30.30 | sinistersnare | hi #debian! i was wondering how i could contribute to maintaining python packages for debian. i checked out #debian-python, but it was empty |
| 05:31.09 | rww | sinistersnare: try #debian-python on OFTC, not freenode |
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| 05:32.07 | sinistersnare | oh, thanks. so i have to get a desktop client? |
| 05:32.18 | sinistersnare | do you recommend a desktop irc client? |
| 05:32.55 | rww | What are you using? GNOME, KDE, Windows, something else? |
| 05:33.03 | DesertFox | sinistersnare: http://www.mibbit.com/ is a browser based one i use sometimes. |
| 05:33.09 | DesertFox | If you didn't want to install one. |
| 05:33.17 | ootput | sinistersnare: there's xchat |
| 05:33.23 | DesertFox | ^ |
| 05:33.44 | sinistersnare | oh thanks dessertffox, im on my windows box, but i figure ill use middit, dessert fox says |
| 05:33.56 | rww | I'd go with hexchat for windows |
| 05:34.05 | STMelon | for windows, MIRC,xhcat,hexchat |
| 05:34.08 | rww | if you're going to be maintaining packages, you're probably going to be on IRC a bit. Mibbit is a tad limiting |
| 05:34.09 | STMelon | xchat* |
| 05:34.19 | ootput | there's also a irssi+cygwin-binary only |
| 05:34.33 | rww | (xchat on GTK environments, quassel/konversation on KDE ones, irssi or weechat if you prefer CLI) |
| 05:34.44 | sinistersnare | oh, ill use x-chat when im on my cinnamon/mint box |
| 05:35.11 | sinistersnare | thanks guys |
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| 05:54.48 | _snowy_ | Hello everyone! I am working on the project "scan-build on the Debian archive" for GSoC 2013. Among the packages in Sid, many are not implemented in C (eg, PERL and Python libraries), so I cannot analyze those packages. There are also some packages which do not respect CC or CXX. So should I ignore these packages and just use scan-build on all the packages implemented in C? |
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| 08:05.32 | rww | dpkg: tell HSorgYves -about snapshot |
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| 08:12.07 | zagabar | yo! I'm installing debian off USB on my laptop. but in the installation process when it tries to configure the network, it automatically uses wireless and fails to configure it. i've tried to set the correct ESSID and key but wireless refuses to work. and what would be an easy solution is for the installer to use the wired connection isntead but it seems to only ever try configuring the wireless no matter what i do |
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| 08:12.35 | HSorgYves | rww: great thx |
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| 08:15.19 | hyper_ch | Hi there, I have a strange install problem with Debian NEtinstall..... for some reason the installer keeps telling me that no common cd-rom drive was detected. I tried netinstall with usb flash drive, usb cd-rom and even sata-cd-rom |
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| 08:18.01 | peterrooney | zagabar: what is the installer debconf priority? |
| 08:18.06 | rww | hyper_ch: Debian squeeze/6, I assume? |
| 08:18.16 | hyper_ch | rww: yes,why? |
| 08:19.46 | rww | oh, nvm, I'm misremembering my release |
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| 08:21.12 | hyper_ch | rww: I changed now from netinst to business... that seems to work |
| 08:21.52 | zagabar | peterrooney: how do i know that? |
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| 08:24.04 | hyper_ch | rww: ok, small business cd works.... but netinstall fails.... it's strange becuase I usually use netinst iso in my vbox VMs when testing and never had that issue there |
| 08:25.51 | Damien | hi all. I'm looking for a way to run a command as www-data user. I want to do it without password typing. So I deleted the password for this user by using 'passw -d www-data'. So I can connect in console with this user without password but I want to do is to run a command from my common user by typing 'sudo -u www-data my-command'. But it still asks for a passwd |
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| 08:26.33 | hyper_ch | sudo uses your current user's psasword... not the one you want to run the command as |
| 08:26.47 | hyper_ch | I think |
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| 08:27.17 | Damien | as ?i dont know it |
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| 08:28.03 | Damien | even if i type su www-data, it asks for password |
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| 08:28.58 | hyper_ch | Damien: why not just first su - --> to root |
| 08:29.01 | hyper_ch | and then su www-data ? |
| 08:29.15 | Damien | same issue : su - asks for a password |
| 08:29.24 | hyper_ch | it asks for root password |
| 08:29.28 | Damien | and i dont want to remove root password |
| 08:29.30 | Damien | yeah |
| 08:29.31 | hyper_ch | you have root rights? |
| 08:29.37 | Damien | yes |
| 08:29.44 | Damien | it developer environment |
| 08:29.50 | hyper_ch | I fail to see your problem |
| 08:30.36 | Nik05 | ofcourse su asks for a password... |
| 08:31.05 | ootput | does www-data even have a login shell? |
| 08:31.34 | Damien | ACtually, I'm trying to script a list of commands from my IDE with Ant Scripting Langugae. Among this commands, some of them needs www-data rights (i.e chmod on a web directory) . that's is why i need sudo without password prompt |
| 08:31.46 | Damien | I can connect with www-data on a shell |
| 08:31.55 | Damien | by using tty consoles |
| 08:32.22 | Damien | but not by using su from my common user. it works only with root |
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| 08:33.55 | Damien | an other way would be to be able to run sudo command without password |
| 08:33.58 | Damien | any way to do that |
| 08:34.12 | Nik05 | thats not possible |
| 08:34.33 | somiaj | Damien: what command are you needing to run as www-data and why? |
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| 08:35.49 | Damien | i need to run chmod & chown commands to re-initialize a web app context |
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| 08:36.42 | somiaj | and you need to do that as www-data not as root? www-data can't really chown things |
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| 08:37.45 | Damien | www-data can access to his files |
| 08:37.50 | Damien | so he can do it |
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| 08:38.05 | Damien | (root also, but i want to limit root accesses) |
| 08:38.33 | somiaj | why are you needing to reinitizliae thigns? Would a cronjob work better for this? |
| 08:39.16 | kimspindel | hey hey, having a bit of trouble connecting to wireless! |
| 08:39.28 | kimspindel | I seem to be able to connect fine if I have the wlan0 settings (ESSID and such) in /etc/network/interfaces, and it connects to only that network of course |
| 08:39.43 | EmleyMoor | kimspindel: As opposed to how? |
| 08:39.51 | kimspindel | but if I leave that file with only auto lo, then try wicd, on the networks I've tried it gets stuck on "Validating Authentication" and then stops after a while and says "Not Connected". |
| 08:39.57 | somiaj | kimspindel: you can use aliases in /etc/network/interfaces (makes it easy) |
| 08:40.05 | kimspindel | hmm, okay |
| 08:40.34 | EmleyMoor | I'm familiar wih network-manager - not that that's for everyone. |
| 08:40.36 | Damien | I want to launch commands from my ide at any time |
| 08:40.48 | kimspindel | and then I can use interfaces with network-manager? |
| 08:41.10 | kimspindel | because with wicd, I read somewhere you're meant to leave interfaces with only "auto lo" and nothing else |
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| 08:41.31 | EmleyMoor | kimspindel: It all depends, really, what you are trying to aochieve |
| 08:41.35 | EmleyMoor | achieve* |
| 08:41.44 | kimspindel | just normal wifi scanning and connection, I suppose |
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| 08:42.08 | kimspindel | with a manager to make it easier, so I can connect to a network at uni, at a friend's place, etc. |
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| 08:42.25 | EmleyMoor | network-manager generally doesn't touch the interfaces file - and works well for me. |
| 08:42.38 | EmleyMoor | I use it extensively on my laptop |
| 08:42.39 | Damien | sysrqalt, I want to launch commands from my ide at any time |
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| 08:52.04 | Damien | I found it by using sudoers specificity with NOPASSWD param with the line |
| 08:52.13 | Damien | myuser ALL=(www-data) NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 08:55.20 | giabboo | hi all |
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| 08:56.24 | Anaki | hey n<ou |
| 08:56.26 | Anaki | *you |
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| 08:57.49 | somiaj | Damien: so now if anyone can run commands as www-data (this may happen) they have full root access. I dont' think that is a good solution. |
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| 09:00.12 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.37 | hyper_ch | somiaj: you just might be thinking way too much... I mean who want to do harm on comupters anyway.... it's really hard to imagine somebody would abuse it... ;) |
| 09:01.00 | hyper_ch | boudiccas: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libfm-qt |
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| 09:01.28 | boudiccas | ah, thank you pdf fort man :) see, i recognised your nick :) |
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| 09:01.52 | hyper_ch | boudiccas: I also remember you.... haven't update the scripts in some time though :I |
| 09:02.08 | somiaj | boudiccas: why are you looking for that, dont' see any package or file name in debian matching that string |
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| 09:04.16 | boudiccas | somiaj: tryinbg to install 'pcmanfm-qt' for testing |
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| 09:04.53 | hyper_ch | boudiccas: apt-file keeps a local db of all the files in .deb packages in your repos :) |
| 09:06.17 | Damien | somiaj, no i limit to only www-data privileges, so he does not own root access |
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| 09:17.13 | zagabar | still no luck for me, stuck in the debian installer. it refuses to use wired connection. |
| 09:17.37 | zagabar | it automatically tries and fail with the wireless and doesn't mention anything at all about wired even though i have it plugged in |
| 09:17.58 | zagabar | and all the "configure manually" and similar options are for the wireless, nothing mentions wired |
| 09:18.17 | zagabar | i can't recall that ever happening before in the debian installer |
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| 09:18.32 | zagabar | even that same install USB used wired fine on another laptop |
| 09:19.33 | zagabar | and all googling i've tried didn't really show anything of value |
| 09:19.41 | hyper_ch | hmmmm, weird.... I can't set bootable flag to on when chosing software raid |
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| 09:21.58 | Damien | Do you know any way to set up the composite graphic features in a virtual debian (hosted in virtualbox) I'm looking for transparency enabling in particular |
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| 09:49.36 | jimcooncat | looking for a new de or wm that has better defined workspaces. Such as per-workspace desktop icons, panels, and/or launchers; so when I go to a workspace I have the tools or files to work on a specific problem. Is there anything more along these lines? Currently an xfce fan. |
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| 09:50.56 | coldplay | it's weird. xfce looks like what it was at about five years ago |
| 09:52.23 | jimcooncat | I like it but wish it was more file-centric, especially the menus. |
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| 10:06.26 | tju | Hi there, |
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| 10:06.55 | tju | Is there anyone around here who can help me removing annoying unfree Adobe DRM from epub? |
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| 10:09.06 | tju | I have installed calibre and the DeDRm Plugin but I don´t know how to add the key files. |
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| 10:35.51 | bitHipy | aptitude does not seem to have a way to download sources -- is that correct? |
| 10:36.18 | bitHipy | is apt-get the best way? |
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| 10:48.49 | joltcan | tju: I have just used the python scripts, there was a specific one to extract the key which I guess you would then use in calibre |
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| 11:10.07 | petn-randall | MACscr: no, you'll have to use the installed system or a live CD. |
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| 11:11.34 | MACscr | petn-randall: amazes me how crippled this busybox debian has setup. I mean, no 'less' support? thats nuts |
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| 11:12.04 | shiki- | Hello. Is there a Gnome 2.32 repository for Squeeze (stable)? |
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| 11:15.37 | MACscr | petn-randall: actually it looks like 'nc' is available |
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| 11:16.03 | ompaul | MACscr: you on the other hand are entitled to your own opinion, however minimalist box is minimalist, apt-cache search bless might help |
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| 11:16.33 | ompaul | MACscr: actually are you sure that less is not there... what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:16.50 | ompaul | and ignore my bless comment |
| 11:17.08 | MACscr | ompaul: squeeze. This is just the netboot installer |
| 11:17.18 | ompaul | you won't find less on that |
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| 11:17.28 | ompaul | it's an installer not a live cd - it does one job |
| 11:17.41 | MACscr | and things like nano are installed, so i wouldnt call it that minimal |
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| 11:17.51 | ompaul | !ops morphis seems to have a fix my connection issues |
| 11:17.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: morphis seems to have a fix my connection issues |
| 11:17.53 | MACscr | obvoiusly choices were made on what tools to include for debug |
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| 11:18.19 | ompaul | as I always say to people if you really have an issue about this file a bug |
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| 11:19.20 | ompaul | you shouldn't need less in a netinstall ime |
| 11:19.38 | ompaul | but that's my estimation |
| 11:20.17 | MACscr | ompaul: thats fine, but you are wrong. Its needed for looking at lspci output, etc, when looking at hardware to figure out what drivers are needed for controllers, etc |
| 11:20.48 | MACscr | or any other type of long output. Had to output it to a text file and use nano to look at it |
| 11:22.05 | MACscr | anyway, not a huge deal, just annoying |
| 11:22.28 | MACscr | luckily netcat is available for quickly moving a few files |
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| 11:24.35 | ompaul | has not had to look at any of that stuff in an install for years - once wired up it should just work unless the hardware is new in which case you get netinstall with backported kernels, haven't needed to do anything else in yaers |
| 11:24.43 | ompaul | or years either for that matter |
| 11:24.52 | ompaul | chuckles at the weekend typo |
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| 11:26.51 | MACscr | ompaul: its remote hardware at a DC and I have never seen it before, so had limited options. Booting the installer through PXE, so not simple to boot up a livecd unless i hadd that to the pxe server as well |
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| 11:28.19 | adamsmith | what's the status of UEFI support for the Wheezy installer? |
| 11:28.50 | MACscr | ok, one last question real quick. any ideas why the installer isnt giving me software raid options for one server, but is for the other? they both have 2 x sata drives |
| 11:29.27 | ompaul | MACscr: in that use case I would (A) have an inventory that told me what I wanted to know, (B) the livecd on pxe but that's just me |
| 11:29.48 | ompaul | MACscr: are they both the same build? |
| 11:30.07 | MACscr | ompaul: yes, though different size hard drives |
| 11:30.18 | ompaul | MACscr: how big are the drives? |
| 11:30.29 | MACscr | 2 x 2TB and 2 x 250GB |
| 11:30.33 | ompaul | (that's a curious question) |
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| 11:30.43 | adamsmith | or, to dumbisize my question: does wheezy play well with dual boot installs on win 8 junked hardware? |
| 11:30.45 | MACscr | the 2 X 250GB is the one that isnt showing the software raid option |
| 11:30.46 | ompaul | which box is giving grief 2TB? |
| 11:30.55 | ompaul | MACscr: send it back |
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| 11:31.17 | georg1234565 | what do I need to get multitouch runnning on debian wheezy - I'm using a infrared touch overlay (hid input) ? |
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| 11:31.32 | MACscr | ompaul: lol, why? btw, the DC didnt provide the hardware, its just two poweredge servers i bought off ebay |
| 11:31.34 | ompaul | georg1234565: if you had waited 30 more seconds on the other side I would have had an answer for you |
| 11:32.04 | georg1234565 | ompaul: I'm sorry :/ |
| 11:32.04 | ompaul | MACscr: because I assumed you bought them from retail :-) have them open it to see if connections are in place thats why :) |
| 11:32.23 | MACscr | ompaul: the drives are showing up fine though, thats not the issue |
| 11:32.29 | ompaul | georg1234565: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 11:32.35 | ompaul | MACscr: let me read what you said again |
| 11:33.25 | ompaul | MACscr: fire a livecd at it you'll need to explore the hardware if it's there it should work |
| 11:33.31 | georg1234565 | ompaul: I'm using a touch-frame, not a touchpad |
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| 11:34.11 | MACscr | ompaul: fire up a livecd for what purpose? fdisk and lspci should be all i need for this |
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| 11:34.27 | ompaul | MACscr: cos you said you didn't have lspci etc |
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| 11:34.53 | MACscr | no i didnt, i said i didnt have 'less', which made it a pain to look at larger output |
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| 11:35.11 | ompaul | ah |
| 11:35.18 | ompaul | needs to go and rest head I can't read today |
| 11:35.50 | adamsmith | to dumbisize the question even more: once the secu-boot is switched off, does grub install nicely into the existing efi boot partition? |
| 11:35.54 | MACscr | ompaul: i know the feeling my eyes burn. im working on very little sleep |
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| 11:40.01 | ompaul | MACscr: then abandon it, in the morning it will be obvious and take you 10 minutes |
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| 11:44.13 | checka | hello |
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| 11:44.41 | Towzzer | hi |
| 11:44.43 | MACscr | ompaul: unfortunately it is morning for me and i have a full day ahead of me =( |
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| 11:45.05 | checka | is there anyway of mounting any available disk that has been detected by udev |
| 11:45.16 | checka | like some thing of dynamic fstab ?! |
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| 11:45.58 | checka | im using a debian live distro on various systems and i dont want to mount all disks manually and create mount points for them |
| 11:46.06 | hyper_ch | hmmmm, squeeze installer fails to install grub with raid1 on 2tb drives |
| 11:46.13 | checka | anybody knows about an script allready out there ? |
| 11:46.33 | petn-randall | checka: "a" debian live distro? |
| 11:46.46 | checka | yes a debian live distro :) |
| 11:47.02 | checka | currently im on wheezy but i think that doesnt matter here |
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| 11:47.19 | petn-randall | checka: As in, "not really" Debian? |
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| 11:47.37 | checka | plain debian wheezy created with live build |
| 11:47.54 | checka | some modifications already there but nothing heavy weight |
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| 11:50.27 | ompaul | MACscr: the QI trick of put yourself under pressure - grab a bottle of water |
| 11:51.27 | ompaul | checka: define the exact delta between wheezy and this live cd? |
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| 11:52.02 | ompaul | checka: as you didn't, we can't figure out what's wrong ... that's why debian channel is debian not debian derivitives which would be called debian if they were debian (so to speak) |
| 11:52.31 | m4k | hello how send mail from terminal using mutt |
| 11:53.46 | ompaul | m4k: assuming you have already connected it to some mail server (smtp) and incoming (pop/imap) then http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-2.html |
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| 11:54.32 | ompaul | m4k: typing mutt and getting on with the help (been a long time since I used it {more than 6 years}) |
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| 11:55.38 | checka | alright i see :) so well as i just want some sort of auto mounting of any available disk, think this would be an udev script so far im wrong here in debian channel |
| 11:55.57 | m4k | ompaul: is mailx command is same |
| 11:56.01 | ompaul | no |
| 11:56.07 | ompaul | m4k: ^^ |
| 11:56.16 | ompaul | mutt is a program all in it's own right |
| 11:56.52 | m4k | ompaul: ok how send mail using mailx |
| 11:57.15 | ompaul | http://linux.die.net/man/1/mailx |
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| 11:58.25 | dsirijus | heya, trying to install ant package, but it wants to pull all the free openjdk stuff, and i already have sun's java installed and working fine all right (and have run all the update-alternatives neccesary) |
| 11:58.43 | dsirijus | can i somehow force it to use already installed java? |
| 11:59.00 | psichas | i don't know how i should look answer in google before asking |
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| 12:01.03 | dsirijus | psichas: that intended to me? cuz i have googled it, and it suggests running update-alternatives which i had already done |
| 12:01.21 | m4k | ompaul: it shows error when try to send like this "Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" |
| 12:01.23 | ompaul | dsirijus: I think you might want to run the following as root, update-alternatives --all |
| 12:02.25 | ompaul | m4k: think of some older setup where you have to have a mail server, for incoming and outgoing - you know like mail.isp.com |
| 12:02.58 | ompaul | m4k: you need to have a mail server it will talk to - and to do that I suggest postfix and your own domain but I have no idea what you are trying to do |
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| 12:03.15 | ompaul | m4k: and I don't know what you have in your setup |
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| 12:03.50 | ompaul | dsirijus: does this not show your sun java? update-alternatives --all |
| 12:04.02 | dsirijus | ompaul: yes, ran it now |
| 12:04.14 | dsirijus | and yes, it has shown me choices for java, selected properly |
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| 12:04.34 | dsirijus | and (let me pastie) apt-get install ant still gives this: |
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| 12:04.54 | ompaul | dsirijus: so use paste.debian.net no adverts and fun |
| 12:05.05 | dsirijus | http://pastie.org/private/cy3vkce4ze5rf1uqxt3bww |
| 12:05.15 | dsirijus | ompaul: ah, sorry. will check that pastie next time |
| 12:06.18 | lapache | Hello, can i specify interface/address to listen on for an inetd service ? |
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| 12:06.29 | Ipsum_ | hey! |
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| 12:07.02 | Ipsum_ | I have moved the statusbar of irssi to the top how may I now get the screenreader going? |
| 12:07.22 | ompaul | dsirijus: I'd say that is do to with your glorious ant having being built against the free stuff - you have two choices |
| 12:07.32 | ompaul | well to be honest you have more |
| 12:07.35 | Ipsum_ | msg me for response |
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| 12:07.47 | dsirijus | build it myself? |
| 12:08.05 | ompaul | dsirijus: or see if you can chase down what sits in your ant pointing the other way |
| 12:08.39 | ompaul | dsirijus: however having it built yourself means that it won't break when debian does a security upgrade of half the packqage |
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| 12:08.52 | ompaul | dsirijus: non standard build is not standard |
| 12:09.04 | ompaul | wonders why we dropped the e on none |
| 12:09.32 | dsirijus | i think it's non-standard |
| 12:10.40 | ompaul | dsirijus: most likely |
| 12:10.59 | ompaul | dsirijus: anyway, back to your setup either take the debian build or become responsible for the build of ant |
| 12:11.07 | dsirijus | augh |
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| 12:11.10 | dsirijus | fuugly |
| 12:11.13 | ompaul | dsirijus: yah |
| 12:11.18 | dsirijus | on launchpad this is filed as bug |
| 12:11.22 | dsirijus | for ubuntu tho |
| 12:11.30 | ompaul | dsirijus: launchpad that's a bug in debian ... |
| 12:11.32 | ompaul | who knows |
| 12:12.04 | ompaul | if it was me I'd build it and call the package ant-sun |
| 12:12.21 | ompaul | but then I don't run ant haven't in years |
| 12:12.36 | dsirijus | i just need it to build someone's other stuff :/ |
| 12:13.00 | dsirijus | another option is to install it with all the dependencies and rerun update-alternatives --all, right? |
| 12:13.03 | ompaul | ooch multiple deps are mutiple want to try the debian package underit |
| 12:13.12 | ompaul | it might help |
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| 12:13.23 | dsirijus | i don't follow your last advice |
| 12:13.43 | ompaul | dsirijus: the last suggestion should help (I said might) |
| 12:13.58 | dsirijus | yeh, but i don't understand the sentence :) |
| 12:14.00 | ompaul | dsirijus: your last suggestion that is |
| 12:14.04 | dsirijus | ah |
| 12:14.15 | dsirijus | ok, let's screw up the system, yaay |
| 12:14.16 | ompaul | dsirijus: I was in agreement with you and typoing faster than the speed of typing or something |
| 12:14.20 | dsirijus | ah |
| 12:14.28 | ompaul | dsirijus: DO it in a VM |
| 12:14.32 | dsirijus | too late |
| 12:14.33 | ompaul | at least you can recover |
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| 12:15.02 | ompaul | alt.sysadmin.recovery coming soon to a system near you :-/ |
| 12:15.30 | dsirijus | bah, it doesn't matter, i have dotfiles hosted, i can get it up again from scratch pretty fast |
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| 12:16.52 | bitHipy | ootput: i tried installing apt-src, and got "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" |
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| 12:17.01 | bitHipy | does that mean it was not signed? |
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| 12:17.09 | dsirijus | ok, it works, ompaul :) |
| 12:17.25 | bitHipy | or does it mean I'm missing the public key? |
| 12:17.27 | ompaul | dsirijus: so you are just in charge of keeping the sun stuff up to date :) |
| 12:17.50 | ompaul | bitHipy: installing what |
| 12:17.55 | Deivan | Hello. I write a program in gtkmm and now the function who load svg to icons don't is working anymore, someone know the library of the support of the load of svg in a image? |
| 12:17.55 | ompaul | and from where |
| 12:18.03 | bitHipy | ompaul: the "apt-src" package |
| 12:18.35 | bitHipy | i'm not sure how to check where a package comes from.. i'll see what I can find |
| 12:18.50 | ompaul | bitHipy: apt-cache policy apt-src |
| 12:18.53 | dsirijus | ompaul: no, no. i just installed with suggested packages and ran update-alternatives again |
| 12:19.01 | dsirijus | it actually didn't change anything, the installation |
| 12:19.23 | ompaul | dsirijus: I understood that, how did you get the sun on the box ... that's what you have to manage going forward |
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| 12:19.28 | ompaul | if they were not deb |
| 12:19.29 | ompaul | s |
| 12:19.47 | bitHipy | ompaul: thanks.. this is the relavent line: "500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze/main amd64 Packages" |
| 12:19.53 | ompaul | no |
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| 12:20.08 | ompaul | the version number might help even more |
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| 12:20.34 | bitHipy | "Candidate: 0.25.1-0.1" "Version table: 0.25.1-0.1 0" |
| 12:20.52 | ompaul | ,v apt-src |
| 12:20.54 | judd | Package: apt-src on i386 -- sid: 0.25.1-0.1; squeeze: 0.25.1-0.1; wheezy: 0.25.1-0.1 |
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| 12:23.34 | ompaul | bitHipy: have a look in here http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 12:24.00 | bitHipy | k |
| 12:24.25 | ompaul | bitHipy: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring if you trust the box |
| 12:24.32 | ompaul | it is sucking from |
| 12:24.43 | ompaul | you can check it out on the pool.debian.org stuff |
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| 12:25.24 | hyper_ch | hmmmmm, tried now with Wheezy - Raid1 setup on 2 TB drives.... it fails to install grub |
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| 12:26.42 | bitHipy | ompaul: i already have the debian-archive-keyring |
| 12:26.58 | ompaul | bitHipy: are you up to date |
| 12:27.09 | ompaul | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade etc etc etc |
| 12:27.11 | bitHipy | none of the warnings on http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt quite match the vague warning i get |
| 12:27.28 | ompaul | bitHipy: how did you install ... when did you last update |
| 12:27.30 | ompaul | etc etc |
| 12:27.30 | bitHipy | ompaul: yeah, i did an aptitude upgrade recently |
| 12:27.38 | ompaul | dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:27.48 | ompaul | or was it a straight install etc etc |
| 12:27.59 | bitHipy | ah, no, not dist-upgrade.. i'm scared of that one |
| 12:28.25 | ompaul | bitHipy: awwww - little dist-upgrade not to a version but if you are doing version to version upgrades is essential |
| 12:28.31 | zen_monkey | stew: Came back to clarify mi situation from yesterday, what was apparently happening was running out of space on the / partition using a 10Gb dynamic vdi and auto partitioning with /home on a different partition. Using the same vdi but no separated partitions finished fine. |
| 12:28.38 | bitHipy | i've been severly burnt by dist-upgrade, so I install new releases from scratch now |
| 12:29.12 | ompaul | bitHipy: in squeeze dist-upgrade brings with it partial improvements |
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| 12:30.08 | bitHipy | perhaps.. but seems like a crazy approach to trying to resolve a signature authentication |
| 12:30.22 | ompaul | which may be sitting there waiting to be downloaded |
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| 12:30.55 | ompaul | bitHipy: do this paste the full contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into http://paste.debian.net and lets see that nothing else is sitting there |
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| 12:31.21 | ompaul | bitHipy: and for the sake of sanity even if you don't use something and it is in there with a # in front of it leave it there |
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| 12:32.55 | bitHipy | http://paste.debian.net/245667/ |
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| 12:36.52 | ompaul | bitHipy: I have no idea what those other repos do the ones which are not debian, except for tor so I have no idea if any of them have hijacked your apt- in some way |
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| 12:37.23 | ompaul | bitHipy: dist-upgrade works version to version, but not if you add in various random repos we have a phrase for that here |
| 12:37.28 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 12:37.28 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 12:38.12 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: Mine works fine, time to paste details -> http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:38.36 | petn-randall | bitHipy: you might have luck with removing the packages from the other repos by hand, then dist-upgrading. |
| 12:38.39 | ompaul | bitHipy: the solution I gave should have worked but something else is causing the issue - the keyring should be uptodate you could apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring |
| 12:38.52 | ompaul | tell us the installed and candidate versions please |
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| 12:40.14 | bitHipy | "debian-archive-keyring: Installed: 2010.08.28+squeeze1 Candidate: 2010.08.28+squeeze1 Version table: *** 2010.08.28+squeeze1 0 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 12:40.52 | ompaul | bitHipy: this is what both squeeze-updates and squeeze >> 2010.08.28+squeeze1 << should have so I don't know what is happening I'm assuming you will apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and restart and then see what happens |
| 12:42.04 | bitHipy | i did "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" just yesterday, incidentally.. or do you mean with other repos commented out? |
| 12:42.38 | ompaul | I didn't mean that but that would be useful, my brain might catch up with the conversation |
| 12:42.55 | ompaul | bitHipy: see franekndebian comment above what I said should work |
| 12:43.06 | ompaul | but something is not as expected on your box |
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| 12:44.44 | bitHipy | ompaul: should i try with just the first 4 repos? or fewer yet? |
| 12:45.09 | ompaul | just debian ones only |
| 12:45.18 | ompaul | all other bets are off |
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| 12:45.32 | ompaul | the question then becomes one of what to do with the other stuff you installed |
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| 12:46.39 | bitHipy | i commented out all non-debian URLs from the sources.list, and i'm updating |
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| 12:47.36 | bitHipy | ompaul: i got "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed." |
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| 12:47.55 | bitHipy | but something was apparently eclipsing apt-src.. because i do not get the warning now |
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| 12:48.51 | bitHipy | "aptitude install apt-src"worked w/out warning.. job done.. thanks! |
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| 12:49.03 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: what details to paste? |
| 12:49.37 | ompaul | bitHipy: this is why you were stung - you can't randomly mix crap into your debian and expect to dist-upgrade |
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| 12:50.04 | ompaul | bitHipy: sorry, you can expect to, but don't expect it to work ;-) |
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| 12:51.30 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: How did you set it up? What's the output of 'fdisk -l', 'cat /proc/mdstat', and 'grub-install'? |
| 12:51.46 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: I'm at the installer |
| 12:51.52 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: grub doesn't want to install |
| 12:52.41 | bitHipy | ompaul: no, that's not what i did. I actually did a clean install of etch (i think), and then did a dist-upgrade a couple days later (*after discovering that youtube did not work) |
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| 12:53.29 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: I see. Can you drop to a console and provide that info? strg + alt + F1 should give you one. |
| 12:53.32 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: so, how can I post to you fdisk -l? besides, fdisk doesn't like 2TB drives |
| 12:53.45 | bitHipy | ompaul: that was on a machine that was for someone else, so i didn't do anything fancy or unusual |
| 12:53.49 | ompaul | bitHipy: etch -> lenny -> squeeze several steps but adding in $repo (i.e. random stuff) means that random stuff needs to go for dist-upgrade to work and given what you said I'd guess you had debian-multimedia in there trampling all over your box back then |
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| 12:53.58 | hyper_ch | grub-install also doesn't work from the netinstall cd |
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| 12:54.19 | ompaul | bitHipy: we've been able to dist-upgrade all along maybe with one or two gotchas |
| 12:54.22 | ompaul | but not much |
| 12:54.32 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: My guess is you partitioned your disk wrong, but I can only judge that with the info from fdisk. |
| 12:54.44 | bitHipy | the whole incident was ~4 yrs ago.. so maybe dist-upgrade is not as dodgy now |
| 12:54.57 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: what can I wrongly partition there? 3x 2 TB drives |
| 12:55.14 | hyper_ch | each drive has a 500MB /boot partition (bootable) and another big partition |
| 12:55.18 | hyper_ch | as raid1 |
| 12:55.57 | ompaul | bitHipy: read the dist-upgrade instructions on the web site and be happy |
| 12:56.04 | hyper_ch | the big raid 1 partition is then encrypted and then lvmed |
| 12:56.13 | hyper_ch | to create encrypted swap and / |
| 12:56.35 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: Which sector does the first partition start on? |
| 12:56.37 | hyper_ch | I've done the same with smaller harddisks... the problem seems to be GPT somehow |
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| 12:57.19 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: well, trying something anew right now... will try again later |
| 12:57.44 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: Wheezy? IIRC grub has a bug on GPT there. |
| 12:57.57 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: tried squeeze and wheezy |
| 12:58.02 | RichiH | dances a bit |
| 12:58.09 | RichiH | as of right now, we have 51 release critical bugs |
| 12:58.16 | RichiH | let's see how many that will be by tonight |
| 12:58.26 | petn-randall | RichiH: That's forbidden in most parts of Germany! >:| |
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| 12:59.05 | Towzzer | I thougth grub can't boot from gpt |
| 12:59.10 | Towzzer | even if the boot partition is smaller than 2tb |
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| 12:59.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | petn-randall, you mean seeing how many bugs there are? |
| 12:59.50 | petn-randall | Towzzer: He'll come back later, find out it all didn't work, and then finally provide the info we need to understand the problem. Just wait :) |
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| 13:00.00 | petn-randall | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, dancing :D |
| 13:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... I missed that bit |
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| 13:00.28 | Towzzer | petn-randall is a five sided randall |
| 13:00.30 | petn-randall | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_ban |
| 13:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | we might want to move that thread of conversation go #debian-offtopic now, though |
| 13:01.05 | petn-randall | sure |
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| 13:17.49 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: screen shot: http://images.sjau.ch/img/0c2a3130.jpg |
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| 13:18.11 | hyper_ch | only with one drive currently assigned instead of the three |
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| 13:20.29 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: Are you booting from UEFI? |
| 13:20.46 | hyper_ch | from efi I think, why? |
| 13:20.52 | Towzzer | how come one says linux software raid and the other says software raid |
| 13:20.55 | hyper_ch | not sue what the difference is |
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| 13:21.12 | subthalamus | how can I list the biggest package COLLECTION? I mean which packages have dependencies that add up to bigger than other collections? |
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| 13:21.31 | subthalamus | instead of dpigs or dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -n |
| 13:21.50 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: from efi I think.... at least that's what's in the bios... |
| 13:22.19 | hyper_ch | and md0 should be /boot.... forgot that on the screenshot |
| 13:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hyper_ch, there's bits cut off... there's an indicator-bar showing what's shown to the right |
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| 13:22.50 | hyper_ch | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean? |
| 13:22.55 | petn-randall | subthalamus: I don't think there's a program that does that, yet. The numbers might give an false impression, too. What if a package depends on a bulky, but essential package? It would get a higher score, though removing would give you less back. |
| 13:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hyper_ch, on the screenshot...you got so many partitions, screenshot doesn't show the whole thing |
| 13:23.55 | hyper_ch | CutMeOwnThroat: only one of the drive is partitioned...the rest doesn't matter... they should be all in raid1 |
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| 13:25.30 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: If you're booting from EFI you're missing the EFI boot partition. |
| 13:25.40 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: what's that? |
| 13:25.54 | subthalamus | petn-randall: thanks |
| 13:26.19 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition |
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| 13:27.31 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: changed bios to non-efi |
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| 13:29.05 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: if you chroot into your system, and do 'grub-install /dev/sda', what does it say? |
| 13:29.31 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: I have no system installed righ tnow |
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| 13:30.21 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: Ah, ok. grub-install normally gives an error message if it fails, which we need to further debug the issue. |
| 13:30.46 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: well, without grub having in stalled, how to actually boot into it? |
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| 13:31.00 | hyper_ch | and load all the raid, encryption lvm stuff |
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| 13:31.42 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: So the installer has finished installing the base system, just grub didn't finish? |
| 13:31.49 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: yes |
| 13:32.01 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: well, not right now... I?m at a blank system again |
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| 13:32.11 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: If yes, you can simply boot a live CD, then mount the root partition and chroot into it. |
| 13:32.43 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: it a little work, but should save you reinstalling. |
| 13:32.55 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: well, I have no system right now |
| 13:33.01 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: so I need to install anyway |
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| 13:33.45 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: You don't have an other computer, where you can make a live USB stick or CD? |
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| 13:34.41 | hyp | go to bed now |
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| 13:35.06 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/BIOS-installation.html |
| 13:35.45 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: With GPT you need a BIOS boot partition. |
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| 13:36.22 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: btw, 2 TB is just fine for MSDOS partition tables. So if you reinstall you could just do it "the old way". |
| 13:38.20 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: well, I never selected gpt or something... ti seems the installer auto-did it |
| 13:38.30 | RichiH | petn-randall: what is? |
| 13:39.08 | petn-randall | RichiH: Uh, what is what? |
| 13:39.14 | RichiH | 13:59:26 < petn-randall> RichiH: That's forbidden in most parts of Germany! >:| |
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| 13:40.02 | bordersquare | Hi, , I have an issue with wheezy. I installed with the installer RC, not weekly. On a gpt disk with 2 parts, (bios_boot EF02) and the rest ext4 for / . after install without installer-usb plugged it booted just fine. then i added contrib and non free to the repo list for installing firmware-linux-nonfree. installed that and on reboot initramfs couldnt find the root. gdisk from livecd said that the second partition goes bigger |
| 13:40.03 | petn-randall | RichiH: oh, you missed the discussion after that. Dancing is forbidden in Germany today. The discussion moved to #debian-offtopic, and died there. |
| 13:40.56 | RichiH | ah |
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| 13:41.07 | RichiH | petn-randall: actually, only loud music etc is forbidden |
| 13:41.15 | RichiH | so you could go to the ballet, etc |
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| 13:41.53 | petn-randall | bordersquare: I think it broke from something unrelated to contrib and non-free. Probably updating the initramfs made the change take effect. |
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| 13:44.03 | bordersquare | why ia that forbidden anyway? i live in germany too. is it even enforced? i never cared about it |
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| 13:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | 'cause everybody knows there's no heavy metal in Germany. |
| 13:44.37 | petn-randall | bordersquare: -> #debian-offtopic |
| 13:44.42 | ompaul | bordersquare: and #debian-offtopic wants your contributions |
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| 13:45.48 | bordersquare | @petn-randall can I resize an ext4 partition that has gobe over drive end? it iant eveb recognized? |
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| 13:48.08 | bordersquare | sorry for scrambled text, i am on webchat with the phone |
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| 13:49.15 | petn-randall | bordersquare: looks fishy to me. Did you resize it by hand after that? It's fine if the filesystem is smaller than the partition, just not the other way round. |
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| 13:49.40 | petn-randall | bordersquare: You can make an ext4 smaller, but only if it's not mounted. |
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| 13:53.08 | ijustforgottheni | i am the one withba nick that had "square" as last part but forgot it. was disconnected. did i miss an answer? |
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| 13:54.02 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: set bios to non-efi and again, grub error |
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| 13:54.26 | Ristovski | hmm, is there a fglrx legacy driver that would work for my ATi Radeon HD 5145? the normal fglrx doesnt support it, debian wheezy |
| 13:54.30 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: WHAT error? |
| 13:55.15 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: http://images.sjau.ch/img/37cf973f.jpg |
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| 13:56.04 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: grmbl, installer hiding the error messages ... change over to terminal, and try to execute it by hand. |
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| 13:56.26 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: try what? |
| 13:56.46 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: you will need to check out where your root partition is mounted (I think /target), chroot there and run 'grub-install /dev/sda' |
| 13:57.08 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: You can change to a terminal with ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 13:57.15 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: /bin/sh: grub-install: not found |
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| 13:58.12 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: are your chrooted yet? |
| 13:58.34 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: well, that's the installation screen that I just posted |
| 13:58.40 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: what makes you think I'm chrooted? |
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| 13:59.21 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: 14:57 < hyper_ch > petn-randall: /bin/sh: grub-install: not found |
| 13:59.30 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: ^^ where did you run that? |
| 13:59.40 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: yeah, during installation that screen popped up |
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| 13:59.46 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: as you said, I opened a tty |
| 13:59.50 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: and run it |
| 13:59.54 | hyper_ch | still in installation mode |
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| 14:00.11 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: ok, check with mount where your root partition is mounted |
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| 14:00.22 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: IIRC that'll be /target |
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| 14:00.42 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: then do 'chroot /target', and try that command again. |
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| 14:01.42 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk |
| 14:02.16 | hyper_ch | Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/main-root failed |
| 14:02.45 | Ristovski | hmm, how can I install fglrx-legacy-driver in wheezy? I added the experimental repo in sources.list, tho it can't find the package |
| 14:02.50 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: want pic? |
| 14:03.01 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: Yeah, would be good. |
| 14:03.32 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Ristovski -about frankendebian |
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| 14:03.39 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Ristovski -about fglrx |
| 14:03.54 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: http://images.sjau.ch/img/d73193b8.jpg |
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| 14:04.47 | petn-randall | Ristovski: that should get you going. Ask if you run into any further questions. :) |
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| 14:06.00 | eco_ | My internet connection sucks, I cannot finish the netinst no matter what mirror I choose. All of my hardware works by default in Ubuntu which is Debian rebranded right? Is there a comparable install disk to the Ubuntu installer but for Debian? |
| 14:06.01 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: exit out of the chroot (ctrl + d once), and check if /dev, /proc and /sys are bind mounted under target. |
| 14:06.32 | Ristovski | petn-randall: that didnt help, I already the radeon driver, tho it is laggy, back in ubuntu I used fglrx and I got very good performance, now fglrx doesnt support my card anymore |
| 14:06.39 | Ristovski | already have* |
| 14:06.50 | nkuttler | eco_: do you get an error? |
| 14:06.52 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: the folders exist in /target but what do you mean by bind mounted? |
| 14:07.01 | nkuttler | eco_: and there are plenty of different install images, yes |
| 14:07.32 | eco_ | no it just stops during the downloading part, i choose different mirrors and it stalls every time |
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| 14:07.54 | Ristovski | petn-randall: if i could somehow download the fglrx-legacy-driver on wheezy, that would be great! |
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| 14:08.16 | eco_ | i'm using clear 4g, so my internet is kinda here and there.. |
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| 14:10.12 | petn-randall | eco_: Ubuntu isn't Debian rebranded. Ubuntu is based on Debian, but they have developed into a direction that you can't call them similar anymore. |
| 14:11.06 | jhutchins_wk | eco_: Yeah, you can get full install CDs & DVDs |
| 14:11.21 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: how to check if they are bind moounted? |
| 14:12.01 | jhutchins_wk | hyper_ch: mount |
| 14:12.07 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: oh right, sorry. Bind mount is when you make parts of your directory tree show up somewhere else again. |
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| 14:12.22 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: folders exist and it's got stuff inside |
| 14:12.33 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: check with mount if /dev, /proc and /sys are available in /target. |
| 14:12.39 | Ristovski | petn-randall: so is there a way to get fglrx-legacy-driver on wheezy? |
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| 14:12.51 | petn-randall | Ristovski: no, none that I'd recommend. |
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| 14:13.11 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: they do |
| 14:13.19 | Ristovski | petn-randall: and do you atleast know if i can use some other driver? I have an ATI Radeon HD5145 |
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| 14:13.48 | petn-randall | Ristovski: yes, you can use the open-source radeon driver, it should work out of the box. |
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| 14:14.07 | Ristovski | petn-randall: ok |
| 14:14.24 | Ristovski | petn-randall: wait, do you mean the xserver-xorg-video-radeon? |
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| 14:14.50 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: http://images.sjau.ch/img/ade0d609.jpg |
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| 14:15.45 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: Maybe your device map is out-of-date. Try with --recheck. |
| 14:15.51 | petn-randall | Ristovski: yes. |
| 14:15.57 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: grub-install --recheck ? |
| 14:16.03 | Ristovski | petn-randall: I am using that one right now, it has poor performance |
| 14:16.08 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: + /dev/sda |
| 14:16.29 | eco_ | I don't like the support system for Ubuntu. Debian's Wiki's look at lot easier to learn from then forums full of every noobs thoughts. |
| 14:16.31 | Ristovski | petn-randall: that's why I wanted fglrx, but it doesnt support my GFX anymore |
| 14:16.40 | petn-randall | Ristovski: There's nothing we can do about it that AMD abandoned your card. |
| 14:17.02 | Ristovski | well.. that sucks D: |
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| 14:17.41 | ijustforgottheni | and the binary tarpacks from amds site? |
| 14:17.50 | nullby7e | does debian will have release candidate 2 installer? |
| 14:17.57 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: same as before http://images.sjau.ch/img/e1599463.jpg |
| 14:18.02 | Ristovski | ijustforgottheni: i didnt try those, should I? |
| 14:19.14 | bitHipy | what package includes a file named "aclocal"? |
| 14:19.21 | zykotick9 | nullby7e: someone (i forgot who), said that there is not an rc2 scheduled a couple of weeks ago in the channel... but i obviously have no personal knowledge on the subject. |
| 14:19.32 | bitHipy | i tried "apt-file search aclocal" and "apt-cache search aclocal" |
| 14:19.34 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell bitHipy about apt-file |
| 14:19.35 | hyper_ch | bitHipy: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search aclocal |
| 14:19.55 | nullby7e | zykotick9: :) |
| 14:19.57 | nullby7e | ok |
| 14:19.58 | nullby7e | ... |
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| 14:20.36 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: What does the output of the grub-probe command give you? |
| 14:20.40 | ijustforgottheni | Ristovski: sonewhere in ubuntu tines tgey worked, i cant guarantee anything but it could be wirth a try |
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| 14:21.22 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: grub-probe alone doesn't... and that full comamnd a lot of weird stuff |
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| 14:21.29 | Ristovski | ijustforgottheni: if it doesnt work, how can I uninstall it? |
| 14:21.33 | ilj | hi why when I try to remove unattended-upgrades package apt sweeps other stuff as well even though those packages do not depend on unattended-upgrades package? details: http://dpaste.org/OwI6C/ |
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| 14:22.21 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: of which I only see a little bit because it scrolls over |
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| 14:22.40 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: You can scroll back with shift + pageup |
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| 14:23.13 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: I can.. but I have no idea what that all means |
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| 14:24.22 | ijustforgottheni | Ristovski: i believe they have an uninstaller script. i dont know for certain, if you want to be sure do a backup |
| 14:24.35 | Ristovski | ijustforgottheni: ok |
| 14:25.00 | ijustforgottheni | Ristovski: i cant check my net is ultra slow |
| 14:25.03 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: I'm out of ideas. Maybe someone else can pick it up from here. |
| 14:25.15 | Ristovski | nevermind :D |
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| 14:25.33 | zykotick9 | ilj: it looks like its the python-apt dependency of unattended-upgrades causing the other packages to be removed. |
| 14:26.14 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: http://images.sjau.ch/img/f75c06b5.jpg http://images.sjau.ch/img/5b5ffe74.jpg |
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| 14:30.15 | Ristovski | ijustforgottheni: it says my card isnt supported.. so I guess im screwed |
| 14:32.54 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: I somehow have problems to believe that installing an encrypted, lvm raid1 should be a problem on debian |
| 14:33.23 | ijustforgottheni | hmm, try some url like ftp.amd.com or pub.amd.com, naybe there are older versions |
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| 14:33.56 | ijustforgottheni | Ristovski: last msg was to you |
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| 14:34.22 | Ristovski | ijustforgottheni: ok |
| 14:34.27 | ilj | zykotick9, looks wrong to me. on another system I don't have software-properties-gtk installed, but python-software-properties gets added to remove list anyway. I mean, I'm scripting this stuff and it's just unpredictable. What if it's going to sweep any more packages on yet another system? *sigh* |
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| 14:34.54 | Ristovski | ijustforgottheni: I might aswell just email amd if they can do something |
| 14:35.22 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: It's doable, I've got a similar setup on two machine (1: UEFI + GPT + encrypted root, 2: BIOS + MSDOS partition + RAID1 + encrypted root), but I don't have any time right now to further debug it. |
| 14:35.49 | petn-randall | hyper_ch: maybe babilen or ompaul will help you further. |
| 14:36.02 | hyper_ch | petn-randall: maybe :) |
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| 15:00.23 | jhutchins_wk | Danic: Which keys? |
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| 15:00.35 | rabbieth | Danic: i guess it's because of numlock |
| 15:01.24 | Danic | jhutchins_wk, key-up, key-down etc. |
| 15:01.46 | Danic | rabbieth, having numlock on or off doesnt change anything |
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| 15:07.27 | dmsuperman | I set up a debian server yesterday, installed apache on it, and sshd. I just installed fail2ban a couple minutes ago...no changes to the defaults, and it's not letting me ssh in anymore |
| 15:07.36 | dmsuperman | any obvious things for me to check before I just disable it? |
| 15:08.25 | socomm | dmsuperman: #fail2ban |
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| 15:08.43 | nkuttler | dmsuperman: i think fail2ban defaults to iptables filtering? |
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| 15:09.14 | nkuttler | so flushing the rules might help.. |
| 15:09.15 | dmsuperman | It does... http://pastebin.com/bSh9L52Y |
| 15:09.26 | nkuttler | or just wait a few minutes |
| 15:10.12 | dmsuperman | oh hey you are right nkuttler |
| 15:10.18 | dmsuperman | thanks |
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| 15:15.09 | Bonez | how do i an i386 build to a package thats already in the repository? |
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| 15:19.10 | stew | Bonez: are you running i386? |
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| 15:19.49 | Bonez | stew: no, i built it using pbuilder, but i already submitted the amd64 packages |
| 15:20.47 | stew | so you'll have to create another pbuilder chroot for i386 |
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| 15:21.14 | stew | I think the easiest way to do this is to make another .pbuilderrc for i386, and specify that when you pdebuild |
| 15:21.48 | Bonez | I did that, when i try to process it, says some about a version check failure |
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| 15:24.02 | stew | says what exactly? |
| 15:24.26 | Bonez | version check failed |
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| 15:25.04 | stew | that's the entire message? |
| 15:25.54 | Bonez | no, the rest just list the package name and suite |
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| 15:27.12 | stew | so you run pdebuild, and the outut is "version check failed packagname unstable" |
| 15:28.31 | Bonez | ran pdebuild, package builds without error. uploads fine. version check failed is when i try to process the upload and add it to the repository |
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| 15:29.15 | stew | oh well, my compilation is over so I guess I lose this scavenger hunt |
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| 15:45.08 | nmeum | hello, I want to compile my own kernel under debian wheezy. I just downloaded the 3.8.5 source and created the .config file using cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) > .config Afterwards I invoked make oldconfig and it is asking me a bunch of question am I supposed to change the default answers or can I just run yes | make oldconfig? |
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| 16:01.19 | thordasin | hi all anyone here familiar with the talking option on the wheezy dvd? |
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| 16:01.33 | thordasin | where you press s to start with speech? |
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| 16:05.22 | steinex | Hi. I have a new Box with an Intel SSDSA2CW08 SSD. Can someone tell me how to find out *if* that ssd needs to be mounted with -o discard for TRIM? |
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| 16:06.08 | steinex | z//www.debian.org |
| 16:06.28 | petn-randall | steinex: it will still work without that option, if that's what you mean. |
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| 16:06.54 | steinex | I know... but I'm not sure which setting is better |
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| 16:07.19 | steinex | i don't want to wear out the ssd unessesarily |
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| 16:07.46 | petn-randall | steinex: it's better if you mount it with that option, if you filesystem supports it. |
| 16:07.54 | petn-randall | *your |
| 16:08.52 | shadin | I just run manually trim my drive once a week |
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| 16:10.04 | zykotick9 | steinex: this is a good starting point, but i'd suggest further research as well http://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
| 16:10.17 | steinex | thanks! |
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| 16:13.27 | anddam | how do I trigger rebuild of a dkms module? I patched virtualbox-guest-dkms according to bugs.debian.org/703358 but I don't know how to proceed further |
| 16:13.50 | anddam | I'd usually uninstall and reinstall the module to trigger its building, but that will obviously not work well with the need of patching it |
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| 16:16.34 | anddam | also I have the need to migrate IMAP accounts via a client, that is I have to setup old and new account and copy from one to the other. Is there a specific tool for such a job? |
| 16:17.35 | somiaj | anddam: reinstalling the kernel/headers trigers it as well. NOt sure if there is a binary that does, check the dkms package |
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| 16:18.35 | somiaj | looks like there is dkms binary, I'd check its manpage |
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| 16:28.31 | invariant | How can I add a group with a number of users in one command? |
| 16:28.41 | acu | I have a weier message on debian wheezy - virtual machine amd64 dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:files list file for package 'libgphoto2-l10n' is missing final newline Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: ---- I |
| 16:28.42 | acu | do not know what to do - |
| 16:28.44 | invariant | The users already exist. |
| 16:28.47 | invariant | The group is new. |
| 16:28.54 | somiaj | invariant: you could modify the /etc/group file directally |
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| 16:29.38 | invariant | somiaj, I don't really like that solution. |
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| 16:30.20 | stew | invariant: for u in user1 user2 user3 user4 ; do adduser $u groupname ; done |
| 16:30.31 | stew | oh |
| 16:30.42 | stew | if the group is new, prepend this with a groupadd call |
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| 16:33.05 | worstadmin | Question: why is a crontab for every 10 minutes */10 * * * * command and not 10 * * * * command? |
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| 16:33.59 | invariant | stew, is adduser an atomic operation? |
| 16:34.24 | jordanm | worstadmin, because the later would run ever hour 10min into the hour |
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| 16:34.34 | invariant | stew, meaning: if I run it in parallel, will it return a semantically equivalent answer? |
| 16:34.44 | jordanm | worstadmin, eg 1:10, 2:10 ... 14:10 |
| 16:34.52 | invariant | worstadmin, 10 means, do it at minute 10. |
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| 16:35.26 | invariant | worstadmin, /10 means 'run it when T mod 10=0' |
| 16:35.51 | invariant | worstadmin, clearly, we have 10 mod 10 ==0, ... |
| 16:35.56 | queso | Could someone point to an article that explain, or explain, what this means? http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130320 Less hasstle to use backports? Or now backports will receive security updates? Or.. ? |
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| 16:36.14 | invariant | worstadmin, at least that's the reasoning behind it. |
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| 16:37.15 | worstadmin | invariant: I understand now thanks |
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| 16:38.13 | invariant | queso, it means one less line in your configuration. |
| 16:38.19 | invariant | queso, otherwise I see no differences. |
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| 16:40.39 | queso | invariant: Got it, thank you. :) |
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| 16:41.46 | stew | invariant: i don't know |
| 16:42.18 | invariant | stew, I think such specifications should be part of the documentation. I.e. explicitly parallel runnable or not. |
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| 16:42.35 | stew | it might be |
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| 16:43.27 | invariant | The way I read it, it should work, since it doesn't say that it doesn't. |
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| 16:44.11 | donvito | im asking wich debian has lts ? |
| 16:45.03 | steinex | donvito: wie lustig. |
| 16:45.16 | stew | donvito: what is lts? |
| 16:45.21 | stew | steinex: english only in here please |
| 16:45.21 | ompaul | donvito: lts does not belong to debian, stable debian is stable |
| 16:45.21 | donvito | the latest one, till will be supported? |
| 16:45.24 | jordanm | donvito, depends on what you consider long term |
| 16:45.24 | donvito | long term support |
| 16:45.31 | donvito | oh ok |
| 16:45.37 | jordanm | donvito, all releases are supported for around the same amount of time |
| 16:45.39 | donvito | cause im in ubuntu right now, and im planing to install debian |
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| 16:45.42 | jordanm | about 3 years |
| 16:45.47 | dvs | donvito: One year after the next one is release which is really soon. |
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| 16:46.58 | donvito | thanks friends |
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| 16:48.28 | acu | I cannot apt-get remove --purge libgphoto2-l10n ----- I get dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting |
| 16:48.54 | acu | what is the dpkg to fix broken packages ? |
| 16:49.06 | stew | acu: apt-get -f install |
| 16:49.23 | stew | acu: is there any other surrounding context to the dpkg error? |
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| 16:50.15 | ompaul | acu: make sure you have apt-get update first then upgrade then try your thing again |
| 16:50.23 | acu | stew: I cannot aptitude dist-upgrade wheezy - I get weird message a |
| 16:50.41 | somiaj | acu: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:51.13 | edju | Wheezy here. Sound stutters across applications. Any hints, pointers, anything greatly appreciated. |
| 16:51.29 | dvs | edju: remove pulseaudio? |
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| 16:53.10 | edju | dvs, I despite that question mark, I'll try it. That would send me back to alsa, I take ut. |
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| 16:53.17 | acu | somiaj ompaul and stew - I did aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade but I get this --> Preconfiguring packages ...dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'libgphoto2-l10n' is missing final newline -------Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-da: Success -----E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A pac |
| 16:53.17 | acu | kage failed to install. Trying to recover: ===== that is all - get nothing then |
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| 16:53.36 | donvito | squeeze system requirments ? |
| 16:53.38 | stew | acu: are you trying to go from squeeze to wheezy? of just wheezy => wheezy? |
| 16:53.47 | donvito | were can i find system requirments for squeeze? |
| 16:53.49 | acu | no - it is just wheezy to wheezy |
| 16:53.53 | somiaj | acu: you noticed that the squeeze->wheezy factoid suggested you use apt-get |
| 16:53.57 | stew | donvito: in the squeeze release notes |
| 16:54.09 | stew | acu: checked the bts? |
| 16:54.18 | acu | is wheezy to wheezy and I tried apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:55.10 | acu | I got the same error - I cannot remove libgphoto2-l10n - I do not care about it |
| 16:55.22 | stew | acu: what version is currently installed? did you check the bts? |
| 16:55.46 | acu | is there more forcefull way to fix broken packages or remove one through apt-get remove --purge |
| 16:55.50 | ompaul | acu: apt-get install libgphoto2-2 |
| 16:55.55 | stew | acu: no |
| 16:56.21 | ompaul | acu: I think it will tell you to -f install go with it |
| 16:56.24 | acu | stew: what version of |
| 16:56.36 | stew | i mean, they are all forceful ways |
| 16:56.36 | ompaul | stew: he's sitting on a wheezy box |
| 16:56.41 | stew | ompaul: yes |
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| 16:57.07 | ompaul | acu: can you do apt-get update now please and tehn try that line I gave you |
| 16:57.08 | stew | acu: what version of libgphoto2-l10n is this? |
| 16:57.19 | invariant | Is there some very evil hack to change the environment of all running processes by injecting an additional environment variable? |
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| 16:58.18 | acu | libgphoto2-2 is already the newest version. (after I did apt-get install libgphot2) |
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| 16:59.58 | acu | I am stuck |
| 17:00.12 | petn-randall | invariant: nope. You probably want to ask us about your actual problem? |
| 17:00.36 | ompaul | acu: libgphoto2-l10n apt-cache policy shows a candidate and installed what does yours say |
| 17:00.58 | ompaul | apt-cache policy libphoto2-l10n |
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| 17:01.42 | terr1 | Can anyone recommend a good method for automaticly adding ip's to your firewall blacklist if a person tries to login to many times (ssh, postfix..)? (ie spammer using dictionary attacks or something like this) fail2ban or something better? |
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| 17:02.42 | ompaul | fail2ban is a time lock for abuse don't let root log in directly is also a good idea so you have to have a valid username |
| 17:02.49 | petn-randall | terr1: fail2ban is what I use. Just make sure to test it well before you arm it. |
| 17:03.24 | ompaul | don't use dictionary names for login - make your own up johnnyfirewall ;-) |
| 17:03.25 | terr1 | Ok thanks! :) |
| 17:03.35 | rozie | terr1: many people use fail2ban, but IMO it's better to use static rules |
| 17:03.38 | ompaul | and no I do't use that |
| 17:03.44 | rozie | especially for ssh |
| 17:04.04 | terr1 | static rules? as in allowing specific ips? |
| 17:04.08 | rozie | plus strong passwords (or keys only) and disabled remote root login |
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| 17:04.15 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:04.17 | terr1 | I use keys only |
| 17:04.19 | Slydder | hey all. I asked this in the puppet channel but it seems most in there atm are RH users so I thought I'd ask here. I set up an apt repository and used "key" and "key_source" to add the key for the nodes. however, the key keeps getting added every time puppet runs on the box. any ideas what's going on here? |
| 17:04.20 | rozie | yes. or networks |
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| 17:04.40 | DexterF | what are my best options for a kernel more recent than the 3.2.0 in deb/testing? |
| 17:04.48 | rozie | so I wouldn't bother with those tries |
| 17:05.03 | rozie | you can also move ssh to a non-standard port |
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| 17:05.14 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 17:05.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.39-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 17:05.21 | terr1 | Rozie: Yeah its not so much ssh, my postfix was getting hammered |
| 17:05.22 | ompaul | DexterF: why do you think you need that? |
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| 17:05.48 | DexterF | ompaul: DVB-S2 tuner device, not in the standard kernel |
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| 17:06.01 | rozie | terr1: I get it. but remember, that with havy traffic many iptables will hurt performance |
| 17:06.19 | anddam | somiaj: thanks, checking now |
| 17:06.19 | petn-randall | terr1: my postfix handles it quite fine, are you seeing timeouts or DoS? |
| 17:06.31 | rozie | and this reminds me about writing automatic spam reporter |
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| 17:07.14 | terr1 | petn-randall: Nop.. I just dont like people hammering my server.. ie dictionary attack or bruteforce.. would be elegant to auto detect it and filter the ip out using firewall. |
| 17:07.15 | petn-randall | rozie: well, you have to try really hard to get a performance hit with using iptables. |
| 17:07.16 | anddam | any hint about the IMAP question? I was thinking (hoping) about a solid, reliable cli IMAP client |
| 17:07.41 | rozie | petn-randall: with a thousand or so rules? ;) |
| 17:08.08 | rozie | anddam: don't use it, but what about mutt? |
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| 17:08.34 | petn-randall | rozie: in 99% of the cases, your first rule in the INPUT chain is allowing RELATED,ESTABLISHED through. |
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| 17:09.16 | petn-randall | rozie: And if one single package actually iterates through all 1000 rules, you've seriously done something wrong with writing iptables rules. |
| 17:09.46 | ompaul | DexterF: I think you might just have to install either nonfree firmware or a specific blob Linux (Kernel 3.X.XX) |
| 17:09.46 | rozie | when banning single IP for postfix - it's quite probable |
| 17:09.49 | anddam | rozie: will check that, but you shouldn't suggest a program you don't use, now I'll be asking you questions you won't be able to answer ;-) |
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| 17:10.09 | ompaul | DexterF: from their website |
| 17:10.17 | rozie | anddam: but it's default answer/choice for cli mail client |
| 17:10.19 | rozie | ;) |
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| 17:11.36 | rozie | petn-randall: of course there's ipset. not sure if fail2ban can handle it out of the box, but it should be easy to merge |
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| 17:12.56 | anddam | somiaj: as easy as dkms build virtualbox-guest/4.1.18 |
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| 17:14.20 | petn-randall | rozie: It does. Even if you're not using ipset, 1000 banned IPs is a lot (I've got like 6 on my server right now), and only a package from a new connection will actually traverse this list. |
| 17:14.37 | petn-randall | rozie: So I strongly doubt it will have any measurable performance hit. |
| 17:16.02 | rozie | depends on the traffic volume. on busy mail servers 1k banned IPs is not so much. well, depends on banning rules |
| 17:16.24 | acu | OK, this is just unbelievable I cannot do anything - not upgrade no remove package because of the same error |
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| 17:17.09 | ompaul | acu: 16 minutes ago I asked question no answer to it |
| 17:17.21 | ompaul | acu: I have to go now others are reading |
| 17:17.29 | rozie | banning on firewall is kind of capitulation, anyway (check if not ddos) |
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| 17:17.55 | nmeum | hello, I want to compile my own kernel under debian wheezy. I just downloaded the 3.8.5 source and created the .config file using cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) > .config Afterwards I invoked make oldconfig and it is asking me a bunch of question am I supposed to change the default answers or can I just run yes | make oldconfig? |
| 17:18.05 | acu | ompaul: I know, I rebooted the machine and cannot connect through ssh to it - I have to go to the machine and try - ompaul I really thank you - |
| 17:18.49 | acu | the dpkg -just does not work anymore, gets bogged down in this |
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| 17:20.48 | anddam | in a vbos guest should I install kernel modules from debian packages or from the provided ISO image? |
| 17:20.56 | anddam | s/vbos/vbox/ |
| 17:21.32 | anddam | I rebuilt virtual-guest-dkms and that provided vboxvideo kernel driver, I have vboxguest module as well but I don't have vbosfs |
| 17:21.34 | anddam | vboxfs |
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| 17:23.39 | DexterF | ompaul: it worked till yesterday, but I had to reboot and got a new kernel in, 3.2.0, too, but, well. |
| 17:24.32 | acu | ompaul: if you are still here - I got this message ___ apt-cache policy libgphoto2-l10n ----- libgphoto2-l10n: Installed: 2.4.14-2----Candidate: 2.4.14-2Version table: *** 2.4.14-2 0 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:24.55 | stew | acu: have you checked the bts? |
| 17:25.16 | acu | stew: what is bts ? bugs ? |
| 17:25.26 | petn-randall | !bts |
| 17:25.26 | stew | yes, bugs.debian.org |
| 17:25.26 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 17:26.46 | peterrooney | I thought users of unstable and testing were in a different channel. |
| 17:27.01 | stew | there is a channel focussed on that. they are welcome here though |
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| 17:28.59 | acu | stew: I cannot find anything related to this, and really I do for the package, I do not need gnome or the package - but I cannot remove anything - the dpkg is somehow locked |
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| 17:32.10 | Freeaqingme | I add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list. Now I want to create a script that checks if apt-get update was run after that. How can I do that? |
| 17:33.05 | somiaj | Freeaqingme: why not just run apt-get update? What lines are you adding (be careful not to mix sources in debian) |
| 17:33.44 | Freeaqingme | somiaj, I'm adding this to a puppet manifest, and I have 5 manifests that add extra repositories. So I don't want to run apt-get update 5 times per puppet run |
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| 17:38.56 | anddam | about http://168.site90.net/doku.php?id=install-virtualbox-guest-additions-on-debian-vm is " echo LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE=0 > /etc/default/virtualbox-ose " needed on wheezy? what about the package name change from virtualbox-ose-guest to virtualbox-guest? |
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| 17:39.37 | Freeaqingme | somiaj, actually, I was looking at apt-cache policy, which reads my sources.list on the fly. It seems as if this would do the trick though: apt-cache madison $package | grep $repo | wc -l > 0 |
| 17:39.43 | anddam | http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox doesn't have any instructions for guest Debian |
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| 17:56.09 | MACscr | will the debian installer setup a software raid for me or do i have to somehow do that first in busybox? |
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| 17:58.15 | abrotman | MACscr: it will give you the option to do so |
| 17:58.35 | MACscr | im not getting it, whats odd is that i zeroed out my partitions, yet it still shows the LV's |
| 17:59.15 | MACscr | abrotman: http://www.screencast.com/t/hEEimSw6BWE |
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| 17:59.38 | MACscr | not sure why its showing them |
| 18:00.15 | invariant | petn-randall, the problem is that I have lots of terminal sessions running and I would like all of them to inherit some extra environment variable. |
| 18:00.41 | invariant | petn-randall, s/inherit/define |
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| 18:05.41 | chowder | because of the direction Ubuntu is going in I'm wanting to do a minimal install with Debian. I was thinking of using the netinst CD for Debian testing but will I have what I need to use wifi? |
| 18:06.07 | nmeum | yes of cause |
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| 18:06.19 | KsM | I didn't |
| 18:06.21 | petn-randall | chowder: you might need firmware for your wireless device. |
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| 18:07.06 | KsM | didn't really make a big matter for me though, I ended up with a really tiny install of debian and I just got the driver I needed, compiled the module and installed it and everything went fine from there |
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| 18:07.52 | chowder | petn-randall: usually when I do a regular debian install my wireless works right out of the box. I just don't want all the gnome stuff this time around. |
| 18:08.00 | petn-randall | invariant: Set it in your .bashrc, if you're using bash? But you still didn't say what you need the env var for ... |
| 18:10.24 | ompaul | acu: pastebin please the full error message when it tries to add or remove it please |
| 18:10.25 | zykotick9 | chowder: if that's the case (no firmware required), then the rc installer does support WPA :) AND you will have your wireless setup using /etc/networks/interfaces which is a nice. |
| 18:10.33 | ompaul | acu: now I'm back |
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| 18:10.54 | chowder | Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [8086:0084] || Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi || Kernel modules: iwlwifi. So all I'll need is iwlwifi? What about connecting to an access point via the terminal? |
| 18:11.28 | chowder | zykotick9: yeah I'm on vacay right now. My brother borked the router when I left and its completely open which i _really_ hate. |
| 18:11.45 | RougeR | i had issues installing over wireless |
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| 18:12.01 | RougeR | ended up running a very very long ethernet |
| 18:12.06 | chowder | unfortunately I can't remember the default linksys username and pass so I can't get in there to set it up properly |
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| 18:12.22 | RougeR | just look online? |
| 18:12.26 | zykotick9 | RougeR: if A) you tried wheezy and have wpa OR B) you need non-free firmware. then that's par for the course ;) |
| 18:12.26 | RougeR | mine admin |
| 18:12.28 | RougeR | 1234 |
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| 18:12.43 | RougeR | open network |
| 18:12.51 | RougeR | so no wpa |
| 18:12.53 | zykotick9 | RougeR: sorry, i meant squeeze and wpa... |
| 18:13.06 | chowder | RougeR: I looked online but nothing worked. I tried WRT54G, admin, 1234, linksys, and every combination of those |
| 18:13.09 | RougeR | eh i think i just have a weird wireless card |
| 18:13.23 | RougeR | Pa$$w0rd? |
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| 18:13.53 | RougeR | think its a deeped issue if you casnt login |
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| 18:13.58 | RougeR | deeper* |
| 18:14.36 | petn-randall | chowder: most devices have a way to factory reset it. |
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| 18:14.53 | sivik | how do I remove something from dpkg? |
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| 18:14.59 | chowder | petn-randall: that's what I did and it still asks for a password to get into the router |
| 18:15.02 | petn-randall | chowder: IIRC with the linksys devices you just push the reset button while turning it on. |
| 18:15.30 | petn-randall | chowder: Check in the manual for the default password. If there isn't one, you probably didn't reset it right. |
| 18:15.49 | petn-randall | sivik: dpkg the bot or dpkg the command line tool? |
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| 18:16.25 | babilen | sivik: You can deinstall packages with apt-get/aptitude (apt-get remove PKG ; apt-get purge PKG) -- Using dpkg directly is typically not needed, but you ran use something along the lines of "dpkg -r PKG" -- What are you trying to do? |
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| 18:16.28 | chowder | petn-randall: I pushed the reset button and then unplugged/plugged the power. I think I probably didn't. The reason I power cycled is because the light wouldn't become solid. So I guess I'm off to properly reset the device. Brb |
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| 18:22.03 | nyuszika7h | I see a lot of bug fixes coming to wheezy nowadays... :P |
| 18:22.05 | DanDare | Hello. Im checking some files with "ls -la" and some files in the data part looks like "Mar 24 03:44" but its meant to display something like "Mar 24 2012". Any clue why some files are displaying a hh:mm format instead of the year ? |
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| 18:22.45 | ganapathy | Hi, I have been using Debian for a while now and I would like to contribute to it towards documentation, translations etc. Can someone throw pointers on how I can help with those ? |
| 18:22.57 | nyuszika7h | DanDare: because the file was created in the current year |
| 18:23.10 | ompaul | MACscr: of course you could have a business card iso pxe boot install the debbootstrap and get on from there (now my brain has two working cells at this point) |
| 18:23.34 | somiaj | ganapathy: the wiki might be a good place to start, anyone should be able to set up an account there |
| 18:23.40 | DanDare | nyuszika7h, yeah ? Thanks. |
| 18:23.41 | nyuszika7h | DanDare: if you want to parse ls output, first note that there is probably a much better way to do it. if you still want to do it, use ls --full-time |
| 18:23.54 | DanDare | ok, thanks |
| 18:24.02 | ganapathy | somiaj: Thanks |
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| 18:24.41 | nyuszika7h | DanDare: also, actually, it's the modification time, not the creation time |
| 18:24.51 | DanDare | understand |
| 18:25.22 | DanDare | nyuszika7h, what is a much better way to parse ls output ? any suggestion ? |
| 18:25.34 | nyuszika7h | DanDare: it depends on what you are trying to do |
| 18:25.36 | somiaj | ganapathy: You can also use the bts to submit patches to documenation inside paticular packages if you think some of improvment there |
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| 18:25.40 | DanDare | alright |
| 18:25.51 | nyuszika7h | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:26.21 | DanDare | nyuszika7h, nothing much special, just exporting ls to a text file. |
| 18:26.35 | nyuszika7h | oh, then you can use ls for that... |
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| 18:27.35 | DanDare | nyuszika7h, yeah, --full-time did the trick to have everything in a same "format" |
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| 18:28.41 | ganapathy | somiaj: Oh, ok. Would do that as well. Thanks |
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| 18:29.57 | Janusz1 | Hi. I installed debian wheezy on old dell pc (witch intel gpu). When X are starting, I get some exception and my pc is froozen. When I run startx from recovery mode - then it's starting, but the problem is with loading lightd or xdm. Any idea what could it be? |
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| 18:30.46 | ompaul | Janusz1: what processor and how much ram |
| 18:31.16 | Janusz1 | pentium 4 2.0 GHz, 512 MB ram (8mb on gpu) |
| 18:31.23 | acu | ompaul, if you are here, sorry I am out of sync a bit this are the errors which blocks any dpkg operation (aptitude or apg-get get hang in this) http://paste.debian.net/245763/ |
| 18:31.34 | Janusz1 | should I increase gpu memory? |
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| 18:32.17 | ompaul | Janusz1: I'd give it 32MB but I'd also try to give it a gig of ram |
| 18:32.23 | ompaul | it's not going to be fast with that spec |
| 18:33.02 | Janusz1 | ok, I will try to increase in bios to 32mb |
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| 18:33.24 | Janusz1 | (on old laptop I have 16 mb on gpu, and it's working) |
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| 18:33.59 | ompaul | acu: apt-get --reinstall install lib.... please |
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| 18:34.27 | ompaul | acu: I can't find that package name easy without massive scrolling back and I'm doing other stuff |
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| 18:38.35 | Janusz1 | ehh, I can't get more than 8 MB on onboard gpu... |
| 18:39.54 | ompaul | Janusz1: for zero profit ask your software ( from the grub screen ) to do a memtest of ram |
| 18:40.02 | acu | ompaul, I did apt-get --reinstall install libgphoto2-l10n ---- and I get the same message http://paste.debian.net/245767/ |
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| 18:40.14 | ompaul | Janusz1: leave it for a couple of hours |
| 18:40.47 | nmeum | I am trying to compile the 3.8.5 kernel from source but when I run make menuconfig it looks kind of broken http://i.imgur.com/QMqzwiy.png |
| 18:40.55 | ompaul | acu: delete the package from /var/cache/source/apt/archives and try to reinstall again |
| 18:41.00 | nmeum | furthermore I can't use the arrow keys |
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| 18:41.31 | fuszy | hi |
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| 18:45.36 | Janusz1 | ompaul: I did it couple weeks ago |
| 18:46.18 | Janusz1 | and no problems, and there is winxp still running on that PC |
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| 18:46.37 | ompaul | winxp was built for that environment |
| 18:46.45 | ompaul | about 14 years ago |
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| 18:46.56 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
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| 18:47.10 | ompaul | try a lighter wm |
| 18:47.19 | Janusz1 | for example? |
| 18:47.20 | ompaul | fvwm-crystal or something |
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| 18:48.01 | Janusz1 | ok, thanks |
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| 18:48.10 | acu | ompaul I rm -f * from /var/cache/apt/archives --- then I run apt-get --reinstall install libgphoto2-l10n with the same error |
| 18:48.23 | ompaul | acu: no just that package is all I wanted you to remove |
| 18:48.23 | ompaul | oh well |
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| 18:48.37 | ompaul | acu: I'm stuffed for ideas now |
| 18:49.26 | acu | ompaul: thanks for you help, I can rebuild the server - I installed gnome in that server and somehow got goofed - a bit anoying to say the list - |
| 18:49.37 | ompaul | acu: to sum up, your apt says the right versions, your attempts to reinstall it failed -- did you give us your sources.list? |
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| 18:51.08 | acu | ompaul: I just added contrib non-free - but I can take it off deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 18:51.30 | dondelelcaro | acu: is the current problem you're having http://paste.debian.net/245763/ ? |
| 18:51.31 | CescoBello | hi, I've a problem with my network card... I've an Acer Aspire One DNC450 and my network card is an Atheros AR9285.. Can someone help me? Thanks.. |
| 18:51.33 | ompaul | jelly abrotman babilen dondelelcaro ^^ acu has this really strange problem package libgphoto2-l10n a --reinstall fails |
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| 18:51.38 | ompaul | haha |
| 18:52.01 | acu | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 18:52.13 | dondelelcaro | acu: most likely, /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgphoto2-l10n.list has gotten corrupted for some reason |
| 18:52.21 | dondelelcaro | acu: edit it with an editor, and add a final newline |
| 18:52.26 | ompaul | head desks |
| 18:52.28 | dondelelcaro | acu: the reinstall that package |
| 18:52.30 | ompaul | oh well |
| 18:52.40 | dondelelcaro | s/the/&n/ |
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| 18:54.05 | CescoBello | are you there? |
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| 18:54.08 | dondelelcaro | acu: I'd also be slightly suspicious of the drive on this machine, unless you have an idea of what might have caused that file to become corrupted. [A power-off in the middle of an upgrade *might* cause such a problem] |
| 18:54.24 | dondelelcaro | CescoBello: you'll have to actually tell us what your problem with your network card is. |
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| 18:54.45 | acu | dondelelcaro, I got to the file, the content is just ^@^@.... |
| 18:54.51 | macmouse2 | By chance is there a command to list all path combinations a particular command has? For example, there is a copy of bash in /bin/bash but also /usr/local/bin. I want to know all of the potential matches (and their order) based on $PATH |
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| 18:55.18 | dondelelcaro | acu: yeah; looks like it's been corrupted. This will fix it: echo > /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgphoto2-l10n.list; |
| 18:55.22 | acu | dondelelcaro, this is a virtual machine with XFS - have other machines runing fine on the same host - perhaps I did a force shutdown |
| 18:55.33 | dondelelcaro | acu: yeah, could be |
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| 18:55.48 | dondelelcaro | acu: anyway, not a big deal, but I wouldn't be surprised if you find other corruption like this |
| 18:56.06 | terr_ | I've just fired up the mailserver in an old version of Debain... Like real old. I'm running Mutt. WHere does the sent mail show up? |
| 18:56.17 | dondelelcaro | macmouse2: which -a foocmd; |
| 18:56.24 | acu | dondelelcaro, I did a XFS on top of LVM (on a vm) maybe too many abstraction layers :) |
| 18:56.32 | dondelelcaro | acu: nah, that should work just fine |
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| 18:56.59 | dimitri7 | Hi guys! in a SOA record, the expiry time (3w) means what? A) if reached the master will stop responding DNS queries. B) slave will stop responding them or C) Both will stop .. |
| 18:57.04 | dondelelcaro | terr_: mail received by the machine will go into /var/spool/mail |
| 18:57.28 | macmouse2 | sweet, thanks dondelelcaro! |
| 18:57.37 | dondelelcaro | dimitri7: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch8/soa.html |
| 18:57.40 | CescoBello | it doesn't work. I've downloaded carl9170-1.fw but I don't know how to install it. |
| 18:58.00 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: yes. I see it but what oif the mail I send |
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| 18:58.14 | Aktau | Hey guys, I need a service to able to read most log files on my system |
| 18:58.22 | dondelelcaro | terr_: it's not stored by the mailserver; MUAs do that. |
| 18:58.24 | Aktau | Is it safe to add it to the adm group? |
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| 18:58.45 | dondelelcaro | Aktau: probably not a good idea. |
| 18:59.00 | dondelelcaro | Aktau: I'd personally create a new group, and use ACLs to give that command the ability to read logs |
| 18:59.31 | Aktau | dondelelcaro: oh, cool. First time I hear about ACL's ;) |
| 18:59.58 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: in the old system it was in sent mail. I don't see it now. The old mail server died woth a dead P/s so I did a quick fix. New one works but I don't know where to find the mail I send. It should be here soemwhere |
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| 19:01.00 | dondelelcaro | terr_: yes, but where it saves it is dependent on the MUA you use. It doesn't have anything to do with the mail server. |
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| 19:01.19 | dondelelcaro | CescoBello: install firmware-linux-free, and then look at the output of dmesg when you try to bring up the interface. |
| 19:01.21 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: I'm using Mutt |
| 19:01.49 | dondelelcaro | terr_: then it depends on what you've set record to. |
| 19:01.57 | acu | dondelelcaro, it seems now that I have some other errors - 'libgpod-common' is missing final newline --- perhaps all files are goofed - I will rebuild the machine - I have permision to do that, it would be good though to know what is the problem, perhaps it is gnome bug |
| 19:02.01 | terr_ | Its default |
| 19:02.12 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: its default. |
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| 19:02.30 | dondelelcaro | terr_: the default for record is ~/sent |
| 19:02.45 | dondelelcaro | terr_: but man muttrc; would have also told you this |
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| 19:03.06 | dondelelcaro | acu: oh. yeah. You can probably resurect it if you had to, but that looks like rather extensive filesystem munging |
| 19:03.13 | CescoBello | ok thanks.. :) |
| 19:03.15 | dondelelcaro | acu: probably not related to gnome at all. |
| 19:03.42 | JyZyXEL | to what groups should i add a debian desktop user? |
| 19:03.56 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: I don't see ~/sent I'm looking |
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| 19:04.29 | acu | dondelelcaro, thanks, I will check the physical hard disk for errors |
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| 19:04.49 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: ~/sent does nto exist |
| 19:04.52 | dondelelcaro | terr_: then you may not have sent any mail. |
| 19:04.58 | dondelelcaro | terr_: or at least, not sent any using mutt. |
| 19:04.59 | dimitri7 | dondelelcaro, thanks man! it was good. |
| 19:05.22 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: quite likely. I need to find the rc for mutt. |
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| 19:07.15 | acu | I have one silly question - I want to setup a server with 256 GB solid state drive (on which I would have a 50 GB partition for the OS (wheezy) then a 4 TB hard disk drive for virtual machines and storage - should I make them LVMs al (one LVM out of 50 GB partition on SSD) then one LVM on 4TB l - or parced the 4 TB in multiple physical partitions and create Groups then logical volumes on each based on the usage of that partition |
| 19:07.23 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | hi. I accidently removed the sgid and suid on all files in /sbin, /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin. Now it refuses to su and xorg. Help |
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| 19:11.35 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: I don't see any .muttrc file |
| 19:13.37 | zykotick9 | terr_: i have a .mutt/muttrc file |
| 19:14.13 | dimitri7 | dondelelcaro, okay, question (it isn't explain in the docs).. when the expiry time is reached... the retries continue? |
| 19:14.14 | terr_ | zykotick9: nope. not .mutt directory |
| 19:14.20 | dondelelcaro | acu: depends what you'd need; I'd personally just have one vg for the big drive, and one for the small drive |
| 19:14.23 | terr_ | zykotick9: nope. no .mutt directory |
| 19:14.46 | dondelelcaro | dimitri7: the expiry time is only for slaves |
| 19:15.02 | dondelelcaro | dimitri7: so if the expiry time is reached without having contacted the master, it will stop answering requests. |
| 19:15.11 | zykotick9 | terr_: have you tried running mutt? perhaps it gets created on first run? |
| 19:15.37 | dondelelcaro | dimitri7: however, the DNS slave will still continue trying to contact the master forever. |
| 19:15.47 | terr_ | zykotick9: been runing for a few days. No sign of a .mutt or .muttrc |
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| 19:16.17 | dimitri7 | dondelelcaro, Yes, that is what I wanted to know, if it still continues trying to conectad the master... thank you! |
| 19:16.18 | zykotick9 | terr_: as a different user perhaps? |
| 19:16.28 | dimitri7 | * contact |
| 19:16.33 | terr_ | zykotick9: not that I know of |
| 19:16.41 | abrotman | ompfigure it out ? |
| 19:16.47 | acu | dondelelcaro: I want to be able to add storage as simple as possible, or move things around without worrying that I need to change config files pointing to those |
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| 19:17.00 | acu | dondelelcaro: are you still doing bioinformatics ? |
| 19:17.03 | dondelelcaro | acu: yeah; that's why I'd just have two volume groups |
| 19:17.04 | dondelelcaro | acu: yes |
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| 19:17.14 | acu | do you do galaxy ? |
| 19:17.18 | terr_ | zykotick9: nothing I can find in /etc either |
| 19:17.43 | dondelelcaro | acu: nope |
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| 19:17.53 | terr_ | zykotick9: no mail* eitehr |
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| 19:18.25 | vook | [A |
| 19:18.27 | acu | so I guess you do not do genomics - if I remember right you were doing some Crystal 3D modelling of some sort |
| 19:18.35 | dondelelcaro | acu: no, I do genomics |
| 19:18.47 | dondelelcaro | but I don't really like web interfaces |
| 19:18.54 | acu | lol |
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| 19:18.57 | dondelelcaro | too much clicking |
| 19:19.12 | dondelelcaro | and extreemly difficult to automate changes with datasets |
| 19:19.30 | stack | hello, is it possible to install debian on a computer that needs uefi to boot? |
| 19:19.32 | terr_ | zykotick9: C? shoes a few directories. I see an inbox and outbox and zero(0) in each |
| 19:19.34 | dondelelcaro | stack: yes |
| 19:19.37 | acu | do you do next-gen sequence analysis ? we could exchange some expertise |
| 19:19.42 | dondelelcaro | acu: yes |
| 19:19.53 | stack | dondelelcaro: how? it seems that it is unable to boot from the usb .. |
| 19:20.03 | dondelelcaro | stack: are you using the wheezy installer? |
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| 19:20.18 | dondelelcaro | personally doesn't have any UEFI gear, but it's supposed to be possible |
| 19:20.30 | acu | whao that's cool dondelelcaro: I am trying to run almost all tools natively - however I want to provide galaxy as a service to non-geeks :) |
| 19:20.35 | stack | dondelelcaro: I'm downloading it, I have a wheezy live that on others computers boots |
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| 19:21.43 | acu | dondelelcaro, maybe we should chat on private sometime - I am trying to do RNA-seq (cuff-diff etc) but also some SNP on whole genome |
| 19:22.07 | dondelelcaro | acu: sure, any time. |
| 19:22.23 | dondelelcaro | is primarily into whole genome association stuff |
| 19:22.31 | acu | we could exchange some expertise - at this point we can setup around 20 tools - but there are challenges - including storage, scalability |
| 19:22.57 | terr_ | ok.. I have found /etc/Muttrc |
| 19:23.14 | acu | I am trying to setup a openstack infrastructure, and of course I want to use debian, luckily the openstack works well on ubuntu - debian has just few libraries missing |
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| 19:24.16 | acu | but I have emotional decisional burden on type of file system (block vs object) file system (xfs vs ? haddopfs) etc |
| 19:24.30 | vook | Anyone know of a method in Linux to enable password aging in NIS (such as a script). I've found methods for doing this in Solaris and AIX, but the scripts are fairly deprecated. |
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| 19:25.36 | vook | unfortunately I do not have the freedom to choose LDAP. |
| 19:25.46 | maxxe | wheezy release soon? :P |
| 19:26.08 | shadin | any minute now. |
| 19:26.20 | dondelelcaro | maxxe: it's becoming closer and closer |
| 19:26.31 | maxxe | perfect :D then i will be happy |
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| 19:27.22 | apm1 | what..... |
| 19:27.27 | apm1 | any minute now .......... |
| 19:27.30 | apm1 | really |
| 19:27.46 | apm1 | believes someone is shitting us |
| 19:28.03 | maxxe | debian best os ever |
| 19:28.08 | shadin | No way, I'm totally holding my breath. |
| 19:28.27 | apm1 | shadin, 51 idk man |
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| 19:28.50 | apm1 | afterall 51 is too many for "whenever its ready" |
| 19:29.06 | dondelelcaro | apm1: not any minute |
| 19:29.16 | apm1 | thats more like it |
| 19:29.27 | dondelelcaro | apm1: but certainly in the one month time frame. |
| 19:29.27 | KsM | Make a pool and have bets on when debian will release |
| 19:29.51 | dondelelcaro | !wheezy pool |
| 19:29.52 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
| 19:29.56 | shadin | haha |
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| 19:29.58 | apm1 | shadin almost made me feel like i was on buntus or something XD |
| 19:30.06 | maxxe | it's not many release critcal bugs |
| 19:30.20 | maxxe | critical. |
| 19:30.34 | shadin | yeah, I can't wait. |
| 19:30.48 | apm1 | meh i am already running it |
| 19:30.53 | apm1 | hardly makes a diff |
| 19:31.04 | shadin | well me too, but there's something more fun about the actual release. |
| 19:31.22 | apm1 | a banner change on debian.org |
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| 19:31.32 | apm1 | i mean color of the banner changes |
| 19:31.52 | maxxe | you sounds a bit negative apm1 :D |
| 19:32.00 | apm1 | and yes sid will live again XD |
| 19:32.19 | maxxe | hehe |
| 19:33.30 | shadin | I really need to work on my Openbox install. Fugly. |
| 19:33.46 | apm1 | you guys care for the release |
| 19:33.56 | apm1 | i care for the freeze status being removed |
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| 19:34.09 | apm1 | i want me some new packages in sid |
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| 19:35.13 | m4sker | i like fluxbox |
| 19:35.15 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: I have have found /etc/Muttrc what should I look for in the way of where my sent mail is kept? |
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| 19:35.46 | JLT | Hello |
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| 19:36.11 | JLT | elif ls /home/*/$DOMAIN &> /dev/null; then - howcome this iff doesn't work like this: elif [[ ls /home/*/$DOMAIN &> /dev/null ]]; then |
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| 19:37.44 | blackjack | help THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
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| 19:41.17 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | hi. I accidently removed the sgid and suid on all files in /sbin, /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin. Now it refuses to su and xorg. Help |
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| 19:43.11 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Help |
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| 19:48.34 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.36 | jhutchins_wk | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Restore those directories from your backup. |
| 19:48.38 | JyZyXEL | what causes this message? |
| 19:48.44 | JyZyXEL | where is that limit set |
| 19:48.50 | JyZyXEL | and the action |
| 19:49.05 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | jhutchins_wk, I dont have backups. |
| 19:49.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I planed to do em later |
| 19:49.31 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | What files should have suid on em? |
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| 19:51.32 | JLT | if [[ !$1 =~ ^(.*)\..*$ ]]; then, this doesn't seem to "not match". How can I make it not match? |
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| 19:54.11 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | how do i fix my /sbin? |
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| 19:56.18 | penguin1 | So after debian installation, the machine boots into the new debian system. How can a remote system be notified, the node is ready now? |
| 19:56.40 | penguin1 | pinging it would be like polling. I want a push. The slave system should notify the master system remotely. |
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| 19:57.11 | JyZyXEL | modprobe -r thermal HA |
| 19:57.25 | JyZyXEL | that should put stop to this non-sense of shutting the computer down |
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| 20:07.43 | penguin1 | Question: The debian installer reports the installation progress. Can it be somehow queried over ssh from a remote? |
| 20:07.47 | thebastl | hi anyone can help me to choose which debian to use if i want "newer" packages from what i read on wikipedia i would go with testing but what i read from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html i would go with unstable |
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| 20:08.15 | thebastl | but i dont want to break my system every month |
| 20:08.22 | petn-randall | thebastl: go with stable. |
| 20:08.40 | dvs | !tell thebastl about backports |
| 20:08.45 | petn-randall | thebastl: if you want, try wheezy, it'll turn stable soon. |
| 20:08.57 | babilen | (very soon) |
| 20:09.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell thebastl -about install wheezy |
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| 20:12.07 | thebastl | but if i want everything to be more up to date (not just handpicked packges) and i want to go with debian testing would be the right choice? |
| 20:12.42 | petn-randall | thebastl: but don't use sid unless you've gathered some experience with debian. It's sometimes a little rough to you :) |
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| 20:14.20 | petn-randall | thebastl: Well, do you want a stable, low maintenance system or an bleeding-edge one? Pick one. |
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| 20:15.50 | babilen | thebastl: Wheezy will be released /very/ soon. I would simply use it right now and we can start thinking about alternatives or ways to install newer packages once you actually need them. |
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| 20:17.16 | zwick | thebastl: I would second using wheezy at this time, and then you can decide whether to stay on 'testing' or remain tracking 'wheezy' |
| 20:17.47 | rryoumaa | thebastl: yeah a lot of people want something newer than stable and breaks less than sid, without any drawbacks from testing. :) |
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| 20:20.36 | prefix | something appears to be causing my debian wheezy wwebserver to crash at a relatively specific time each day. How would I go about figuring out what the heck is going on? (mysql / apache / php / druapl6 / 2gb ram) |
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| 20:20.58 | zwick | prefix: I would start by tail-ing /var/log/syslog |
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| 20:21.12 | zwick | prefix: or wherever you have each application's logs going |
| 20:21.27 | invariant | thebastl, just install stable, testing, unstable and experimental at the same time. |
| 20:21.38 | invariant | thebastl, in a virtual machine for example. |
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| 20:22.11 | thebastl | virtual box is already set up :) |
| 20:22.39 | thebastl | so thanks for the answers |
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| 20:26.14 | MACscr | ext4 still recommended for the OS partition? |
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| 20:27.37 | prefix | zwick I don't see anything obvious other than this: http://pastebin.com/Ak1u67NA |
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| 20:28.05 | prefix | the load just shoots up, and then mysql dies |
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| 20:28.57 | zophy | have a cig and do it again in 20 minutes |
| 20:29.02 | f31n | hey there, i've got some issues with my hostapd. the problem is i can't ping a device connectet over wifi. does anyone have an idea how to fix that? |
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| 20:30.48 | zwick | prefix: I don't know. Do you php/apache/mysql logs have anything more specific/helpful? |
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| 20:32.04 | zwick | my gut reaction to your pastebin is that your mail server (?) running as mail.inyourspeakers.com failed to verify its cert |
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| 20:32.13 | invariant | I have a binary named x, how do I convert that one into a daemon such that the 'wait' instruction in the shell doesn't wait for it? |
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| 20:32.34 | invariant | FreeBSD has a tool called daemonize for that. |
| 20:32.54 | prefix | zwick probably true. what can I do about that? |
| 20:33.07 | invariant | MACscr, if you have to ask, yes. |
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| 20:33.51 | zwick | prefix: I don't know offhand - surely google/duckduckgo will be your friend here |
| 20:33.57 | prefix | ok |
| 20:34.29 | zwick | prefix: I would start by bringing php/mysql/apache up one at time and watching the logs until that happens again |
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| 20:36.49 | penguin1 | Is it possible to define a global proxy which all programs will use? |
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| 20:38.34 | zwick | penguin1: there is a http_proxy environment variable that you can setup. |
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| 20:38.59 | zwick | penguin1: but doing that alone won't _force_ all of your network traffic through it |
| 20:39.38 | penguin1 | for forcing a transparent gateway would be needed, right? |
| 20:39.41 | zwick | penguin1: only the applications that look for that environment var. will work without any additional configureation |
| 20:39.48 | zwick | penguin1: correct. |
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| 20:40.20 | saedelaere | hey, I had some file system errors and now several files in /var/www got corrupted or are completely missing. I have a backup of these files which is only 20 hours old. so no problem. how could I determine if any sytem file is corrupted or missing? is there a way to check all installed packages? |
| 20:42.11 | penguin1 | For what is preseed option 'console-tools/archs' used? |
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| 20:42.18 | fuszy | is debian unstable? |
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| 20:42.48 | Woet | is there any software package you guys recommend to keep a large number of debian hosts up to date? |
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| 20:43.34 | brotatos | does the debian install media have gparted already installed on it? |
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| 20:44.04 | babilen | brotatos: It comes with partman |
| 20:44.12 | brotatos | babilen: thanks |
| 20:44.34 | schultza | I'm currently running Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 20:44.59 | babilen | brotatos: Are you planning to install Debian? If so you might want to read "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and "/msg dpkg install guide wheezy" |
| 20:45.14 | brotatos | babilen: yes, i'll be installing sid. |
| 20:45.33 | zwick | Woet: I use a combination of fabric and puppet |
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| 20:45.54 | Woet | zwick: I've found http://spacewalk.redhat.com/ so far, it supports debian apparently |
| 20:46.33 | zwick | Woet: I have no experience whatsoever with that |
| 20:46.49 | schultza | I'm currently running Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 (squeeze) and I'm having problems copying over information from one cups server to another. I have it to the point where It's simply crashing with a general protection in libcups.so.2. I've "apt-get purge cups && apt-get autoremove && apt-get install cups" and it's still crashing. One, I need help getting it back up and running. And two, do I need to completely reinstall / reconfigure everything from scratc |
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| 20:55.32 | stameni | hello, do you know when wheezy will become stable ? Should I install Debian now or waith for it to move to stable, does it metter ? |
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| 20:56.01 | dvs | stameni: I'd install wheezy now. |
| 20:56.04 | prefix | zwick well, I specifically have my server send some emails when an event occurs. what is this about certificate validation? |
| 20:56.38 | stameni | dvs, ok, tnx |
| 20:56.55 | dvs | np |
| 20:57.48 | jacklk | Hello, I am trying to install an Nvidia graphics driver but get and error, can someone tell me what is wrong? Here is my /var/log/nvidia-installer.log file... http://pastebin.com/T0g17xz8 |
| 20:58.40 | zwick | prefix: I guessed that based on the first line of your paste |
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| 20:59.28 | zwick | prefix: It contains "verify=FAIL" among other STARTTLS related keys |
| 21:00.02 | prefix | hm |
| 21:00.05 | prefix | interesting |
| 21:00.08 | prefix | I will have to look into that |
| 21:00.11 | zwick | prefix: but the log message begins with "sm-mta" which (IIRC) is something like 'sendmail mail transport [something]" |
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| 21:00.18 | prefix | yes |
| 21:00.20 | prefix | that's correct |
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| 21:00.29 | zwick | prefix: But, I could also be leading you down the wrong rabbit hole |
| 21:00.48 | zwick | prefix: this is all just based on the part of your logs that you pasted. |
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| 21:01.34 | stameni | 51 bugs left, so ill waith |
| 21:02.16 | brotatos | babilen: will the netinstall have partman as well? |
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| 21:02.46 | Nik05 | you can load partman i think |
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| 21:06.23 | cardamon | How do I tell which java I'm using? |
| 21:06.36 | dvs | java -version |
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| 21:07.02 | cardamon | And switch between them? |
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| 21:07.33 | cardamon | update-alternatives or update-java-alternatives ? |
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| 21:07.45 | dvs | the latter |
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| 21:09.49 | LtL | cardamon: update-java-alternatives --list ; example, update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
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| 21:12.38 | babilen | (and don't use java-6-sun (outdated, horrible security problems)) |
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| 21:14.54 | AimHere | I thought it was Java 7 that had the horrible security problems |
| 21:15.09 | LtL | babilen: i know.. thanks |
| 21:15.17 | hays | is there a way to build a package from source in a way that apt-get takes over in terms of rebuilding and installing as part of apt-get upgrade when security patches are released? |
| 21:15.39 | dvs | AimHere: I think it has a lot of security problems after Oracle took it over. |
| 21:16.18 | AimHere | Possibly, but there was a huge spate of security scares with java 7 plugins recently |
| 21:16.39 | brah | hays: You will need to build your own repo. |
| 21:16.47 | hays | kinda sad since java is supposed to be the "secure" language |
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| 21:17.35 | hays | brah: if i build my own repo will it get updated with security patches |
| 21:17.44 | hays | or will i basically have to take over |
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| 21:18.22 | brah | hays: If I understand you correctly, you want to create a package and mantain that package with updates. You will need to make an alternative repo, not replace the whole debian repo. |
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| 21:18.42 | brah | Much like, say, the debianmultimedia guys do. |
| 21:18.43 | hays | brah: i ask because there is a package where i am satisfied with the version number, I just want to change the configure options.. so it would be nice to stay under the umbrella of debian-security while turning on that option |
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| 21:19.33 | MACscr | shoot, a fresh install of debian on hardware i just setup is not looking so lot. After i installed it, im getting this on boot: http://www.screencast.com/t/dTsFyNqduGa9 |
| 21:19.34 | hays | brah: actually, I don't want to maintain the package.. I want to benefit from debian's maintenance of the same package |
| 21:19.49 | kingsley2 | Why would the keyboard and mouse buttons intermittently stop working, and a few seconds later the monitor blink, when the mouse's pointer still works and the computer responds to ping packets? It's running linux. I found no clues in /var/log/messages, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg or .xsession-errors. All temperatures look OK. A monitoring utility named "GKRellim" says a voltage sensor named "+5V" is "2.96". |
| 21:19.51 | kingsley2 | What would cause these symptoms? |
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| 21:20.00 | hays | brah: it sounds like this is not possible, or at least not typical |
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| 21:21.20 | kingsley2 | s/linux/debian/ |
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| 21:22.33 | JyZyXEL | god damnit my debian laptop keeps overheating and shutting down |
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| 21:24.11 | JyZyXEL | its like it doesn't know how to use the fan |
| 21:25.25 | JyZyXEL | how do i manually set the fan speed to 100% on debian? |
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| 21:27.01 | bublik | im trying to print from a printer connected to my windows desktop from my wheezy laptop... how do i go about doing this |
| 21:27.29 | bublik | they are both connected to the same network |
| 21:28.02 | dawud | bublik: first, share the printer, then configure samba |
| 21:28.15 | bublik | i did share the printer on my windows desktop |
| 21:28.20 | EmleyMoor | used to do it that way and concurs... |
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| 21:28.40 | EmleyMoor | bublik: configure samba and cups should be able to see the printer |
| 21:29.10 | bublik | how do i go about configuring samba.. im a newb |
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| 21:29.58 | petn-randall | bublik: Maybe it's even enough to just configure cups. If you have it installed, you can access it via http://localhost:631/ |
| 21:30.12 | EmleyMoor | was about to suggest that |
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| 21:34.45 | vook | how would one go about eliminating the echo on a command such as "ssh hostname passwd" |
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| 21:35.53 | petn-randall | vook: you mean 'ssh hostname command'? |
| 21:36.34 | vook | well sure, but i'm only concerned with "ssh hostname passwd" (when it asks for password input, passwords are echoed to the screen) |
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| 21:38.15 | vook | ...creating a yppasswd replacement for clients because yppasswd doesn't support password complexity requirements. |
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| 21:38.37 | dvs | vook: Create an ssh public key and put it on the server. |
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| 21:39.37 | vook | I already have passwordless authentication during "ssh hostname passwd", but when passwd asks for the current password, keystrokes are echoed. |
| 21:39.48 | kimspindel | hmm, I have two wifi networks that I can choose from at home - one is normal, the other is ad-hoc |
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| 21:40.01 | ParkerR | vook, I dont think they are just echoed in plaintext |
| 21:40.11 | vook | yes |
| 21:40.12 | kimspindel | anyone with a clue as to why when I'm connected to the ad-hoc network, it is _really_ slow? under 1Mbps downloading |
| 21:40.22 | vook | plaintext |
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| 21:40.40 | petn-randall | vook: You surely not using Debian's ssh. |
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| 21:40.55 | petn-randall | vook: That never echoes passwords to the terminal. |
| 21:40.57 | kimspindel | I'm using NetworkManager and am on Debian Wheezy, using i3 window manager |
| 21:41.10 | vook | I don't think you understand. It isn't ssh that is echoing.. |
| 21:41.26 | vook | just try, "ssh localhost passwd" |
| 21:41.41 | petn-randall | vook: Ok, then give me a real life example, .... oh! |
| 21:41.56 | petn-randall | vook: You want to change the user's password via ssh? |
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| 21:42.40 | vook | yes, because yppasswd doesn't acknowedge pam.d modules such as passwdqc (for complexity requirements) |
| 21:42.57 | vook | yes I know NIS is deprecated and old- it's beyond my control |
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| 21:45.23 | stameni | is libreoffice default preinstalled in debian wheezy ? |
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| 21:46.13 | dvs | doubt it |
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| 21:46.37 | kimspindel | nope |
| 21:46.45 | stameni | is it easy to obtain it ? |
| 21:46.51 | kimspindel | sure |
| 21:47.02 | stameni | simply delete openoffice and apt-get inst libreoffice ? |
| 21:47.30 | kimspindel | or whatever the package is called |
| 21:47.35 | stameni | ok, tnx |
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| 21:47.59 | kimspindel | np |
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| 21:49.55 | ParkerR | sudo apt-get install libreoffice libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc libreoffice-impress |
| 21:50.25 | ParkerR | For documents, spreadsheets, and presentations respectively |
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| 21:51.34 | wald0 | is pulseaudio going to be used in wheezy ? is there a way to really remove this crap from the system ? |
| 21:51.45 | kimspindel | apt-get remove pulseaudio |
| 21:51.58 | zykotick9 | ParkerR: if you check "apt-cache depends libreoffice" you'll see all you need is "apt-get install libreoffice" |
| 21:51.58 | wald0 | becuase if i accidentally install it (dependency/suggestion from another pacakge) there's a lot of applications that doesn't plays music anymore |
| 21:52.28 | wald0 | kimspindel: it took me 2 hours to figure out that the problem was pulseaudio, I don't really understand why this crap ever existed |
| 21:52.38 | kimspindel | wald0: haha yeah, I'm not a fan of it either |
| 21:52.52 | kimspindel | alsamixer is good enough for me 99% of the time |
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| 21:54.46 | wald0 | kimspindel: I think that its a virus made by microsoft for f*ck the open source |
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| 21:54.46 | stameni | why are there 3 dvds for wheezy ? do i need to download all 10 or more gb of it ? |
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| 21:55.00 | stameni | it doesnt sounf right :) |
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| 21:55.52 | dvs | stameni: If you have a wired internet connection, you only need the netinst CD/DVD |
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| 21:56.49 | stameni | dvs, ok, but i`m still curious, why are there 3 dvd-s ? |
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| 21:57.16 | petn-randall | stameni: it's 8 DVDs. |
| 21:57.29 | dvs | stameni: There's a lot more than 3 DVDs. It's for those that dont have an Internet connection. |
| 21:57.34 | stameni | thats like with all 30 000 packages or what ? |
| 21:57.36 | petn-randall | stameni: It's all package you have in wheezy. |
| 21:57.46 | petn-randall | stameni: that's right. |
| 21:57.51 | stameni | ooooook... |
| 21:58.02 | stameni | so netinstall then |
| 21:58.30 | fuszy | if you're machine has an internet connection, yes. |
| 21:58.38 | stameni | but i am amazed that something like that is offered |
| 21:59.03 | stameni | like complete repository or something ... |
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| 21:59.35 | petn-randall | stameni: I needed them to upgrade an installation in a nuclear power plant ... |
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| 21:59.47 | petn-randall | stameni: They didn't have internet there. |
| 22:00.15 | stameni | you are kidding, right ? |
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| 22:00.41 | fuszy | most don't have internet for security purposes. |
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| 22:01.37 | daemonkeeper | But USB pendrives. Which is equally worse. |
| 22:02.12 | invariant | Is any critical control system running Linux? |
| 22:02.17 | invariant | I'd hope not. |
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| 22:02.21 | daemonkeeper | Sure it is. |
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| 22:02.53 | invariant | Linux is not verified. |
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| 22:03.00 | fuszy | i seen a defcon talk and you'd be surprised |
| 22:03.00 | petn-randall | invariant: Windows XP is? |
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| 22:03.29 | petn-randall | stameni: Nope. Last year february I think it was. |
| 22:03.30 | daemonkeeper | invariant: So? It's good enough to be certified for high security systems by the NSA, it powers nuclear missles and lots of control systems. |
| 22:03.33 | invariant | petn-randall, no, but there are companies which provide verified systems. |
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| 22:04.06 | invariant | daemonkeeper, well, then I suppose China is going to have a field day :) |
| 22:04.07 | petn-randall | invariant: Meh, I'll give you a 2/10 for trying. Also, what daemonkeeper said. |
| 22:04.49 | petn-randall | invariant: As if a certification implied anything else than a marketing trait. |
| 22:05.16 | invariant | petn-randall, a certification doesn't imply anything, indeed. |
| 22:05.20 | brah | invariant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux |
| 22:05.32 | invariant | petn-randall, in which country can I find this reckless system? |
| 22:05.58 | daemonkeeper | Also, Windows for Warships is not deployed anymore. Not much alternative to Linux :> |
| 22:06.15 | invariant | The only thing Linux has going for it, is that it is free and fairly fast. |
| 22:06.29 | invariant | (for nuclear control equipment) |
| 22:06.30 | brah | invariant: Fairly fast in what? Linux is a kernel. |
| 22:06.42 | brah | You can't do anything with Linux. |
| 22:06.50 | invariant | brah, please stop asking stupid question. |
| 22:06.53 | invariant | s |
| 22:07.17 | brah | Why would they verify a Kernel? What purpose would that serve? |
| 22:07.29 | invariant | If something like that would happen in my country it would be gross negligence. |
| 22:07.42 | invariant | brah, now you are doing it again. |
| 22:07.57 | invariant | brah, one more and you are added to my 'favorites' list. |
| 22:08.13 | brah | hurr durr i'm trolling on the ircs |
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| 22:09.33 | MACscr | hmm, why would insmod part_msdos and insmod ext2 be loaded in grub when neither of those are used on my system? i cant get my new install to even boot =( |
| 22:09.35 | MACscr | http://www.screencast.com/t/ZphcNxqlNag |
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| 22:09.55 | MACscr | when i do boot from grub, i get http://www.screencast.com/t/5ZWqYkEfl |
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| 22:14.29 | acu | so by defaullt /etc/innittab specifies id2: default (which is multiuser) and it starts GDM or KDM and login - what is the best way to have a server start - but not go in GDM or KDM unless you login and type startx ? |
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| 22:15.12 | brah | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.18 | brah | acu: update-rc.d remove yourservice |
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| 22:15.57 | petn-randall | !. |
| 22:15.57 | dpkg | . is probably . ........... |
| 22:16.02 | petn-randall | !.~. |
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| 22:17.38 | petn-randall | woops, sorry, ssh control commands bled over to irssi. |
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| 22:18.49 | stameni | do i need to know something when partitioning, i need to dual boot with windos 7. Does it offer me that option just like ubuntu did or i have manualy to setup something ? |
| 22:19.02 | Towzzer | petn-randall, if I have iptables output policy to drop |
| 22:19.13 | Towzzer | then the first two rules are established,new, related with accept all |
| 22:19.18 | Towzzer | doesn't that mean everything is accepted? |
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| 22:20.01 | Towzzer | http://pastebin.com/6P5GNYER |
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| 22:20.16 | brah | stameni: osprober will take care of that. |
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| 22:20.41 | acu | stameni: if you choose Graphics when you boot - one stage is partitioning - then you can specify where you want to install debian - if it is an free partition will install there - so you could - in windows shrink windows to make some place (an empty partition) that will be your install |
| 22:21.07 | acu | when you boot and install debian - I meant - it is easy |
| 22:21.40 | petn-randall | Towzzer: the state machine knows ESTABLISHED, RELATED, NEW and INVALID. Only the invalid packets will traverse the rest of the list. |
| 22:21.40 | acu | brah so this is it |
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| 22:21.50 | stameni | acu, i have ubuntu allongside windows and want to replace it cause i have crashed it ( something abaut nvidia drivers ) |
| 22:21.58 | petn-randall | Towzzer: That's probably not what you want :) |
| 22:22.23 | stameni | by luck i have had setup rsync beckup earlier that saved all my configuration files on another computer |
| 22:22.26 | petn-randall | stameni: Switching a distro because something crashed isn't a good incentive to move. |
| 22:22.36 | brah | acu: Yeah. That did nothing beyond removing that particular service from booting. It's still installed and you probably want to run it with service yourservice start |
| 22:22.39 | acu | you could then install debian in the same partition where ubuntu is -during install you will reach a partition step - with GUI is simple - to go - erase it ec |
| 22:22.42 | brah | I'm not sure what startx does these days. |
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| 22:23.09 | acu | brah: whatever, gdmstart or something |
| 22:23.09 | Towzzer | petn-randall, that means that most packets are allowed out |
| 22:23.21 | Towzzer | and invalid packets go through the list but the default policy is deny |
| 22:23.23 | Towzzer | correct? |
| 22:23.23 | stameni | petn-randall, its not just a crash, its curiosity too, if it goes wrong and i dont like it, new ubuntu comes out in a month |
| 22:23.34 | stameni | petn-randall, so i would update all the same |
| 22:23.42 | acu | stameni: good - debian is the father and mother of all |
| 22:23.44 | fuszy | stameni: what version of debian are you installing? |
| 22:23.50 | stameni | wheezy |
| 22:23.53 | acu | good |
| 22:24.04 | brah | acu: I wouldn't run anything manually anymore. I'd let the init script handle it. |
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| 22:24.18 | fuszy | is squeeze more stable then wheezy? |
| 22:24.26 | acu | yes |
| 22:24.31 | petn-randall | Towzzer: The policy only kicks in when the packets don't match any rule on the table. |
| 22:25.21 | petn-randall | Towzzer: Since you're accepting everything but invalid, basically everything goes through. Invalid packets are e.g. TCP packets with an invalid combination of flags. |
| 22:25.26 | acu | but wheezy is going to be release - perhaps in one month or so - in general is very stable |
| 22:25.54 | acu | I guess :) based on the number of bugs left 55 ? - |
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| 22:26.01 | fuszy | i think ill go with squeeze until it's been released for awhile |
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| 22:26.11 | stameni | 51 |
| 22:26.18 | fuszy | ive been using Xubuntu for too long now XD |
| 22:26.22 | acu | fuszy: if you do not run a spaceshuttle go for wheezy |
| 22:26.24 | petn-randall | fuszy: As a rule of thumb, older software is always more stable, as long as it's still maintained. |
| 22:26.33 | Towzzer | got it, so everything but invalid is accepted because of the first two rules then the invalid packets either match another rule |
| 22:26.34 | acu | I have wheezy in seeral servers and workstations and it works perfect |
| 22:26.37 | Towzzer | or are denied by the default rule |
| 22:26.59 | petn-randall | fuszy: For a desktop machine wheezy is stable enough, IMO. |
| 22:27.22 | acu | fuszy: spend your neurons in future :) |
| 22:27.25 | acu | wheezy |
| 22:27.27 | acu | modern |
| 22:27.27 | brah | Wheezy runs Gnome3 though. |
| 22:27.32 | fuszy | ok ill go with wheezy |
| 22:27.47 | acu | kde is excellent too |
| 22:28.06 | fuszy | im on an older machine |
| 22:28.10 | fuszy | i really like XFCE |
| 22:28.16 | petn-randall | Towzzer: Right. |
| 22:28.39 | petn-randall | Towzzer: not denied, though. Dropped. |
| 22:28.41 | MACscr | damn, my questions must be to stupid to get an attention. =( |
| 22:29.18 | Towzzer | right, thanks petn-randall |
| 22:29.57 | petn-randall | Towzzer: A rejected package gets an ICMP message sent back. Which in general is the nicer way to do it, since the connection aborts instead of timing out. |
| 22:30.04 | stameni | petn-randall, i fixed my ubuntu, but it uses noveau drivers now, whenever i try to load nvidia-current, graphic enviroment crashes, unity and all and i am forced to ctrl+alt+f1. So crash is not somethnig that explicitly leads me to debian |
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| 22:30.45 | brah | MACscr: Because grub is baller like that and loads them by default. |
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| 22:31.18 | brah | MACscr: I couldn't tell you wheter they're needed or not, though. |
| 22:31.42 | petn-randall | stameni: I'm just saying it as a caution because I see too many people switching distros because something doesn't work, and they then end up with more problems. |
| 22:32.12 | petn-randall | stameni: If you're genuinely interested in Debian, go ahead and try it :) |
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| 22:32.33 | stameni | petn-randall, i understand, thank you for the worning, i really do apriciate it. |
| 22:32.35 | MACscr | brah: any ideas on my ata issue? its throwing that error every few seconds and im really concerned its resetting the sata drives continuously when ti does that and could really cause some harm to the drives i would think |
| 22:32.53 | petn-randall | stameni: The installer will give you the option to install over your Ubuntu partition. |
| 22:33.23 | stameni | exelent, so i`ll reboot now, bye :) |
| 22:33.53 | petn-randall | MACscr: ATA errors are a sure-fire sign of HW issues. |
| 22:33.57 | ompaul | MACscr: you should have had the machines delivered to you for testing before throwing them into a DC ... looks like a hardware issue |
| 22:34.06 | ompaul | blinks |
| 22:34.10 | brah | MACscr: If your drive is SMART capable you should try running a test pass. |
| 22:34.16 | petn-randall | blinks at ompaul |
| 22:34.17 | fuszy | shakes |
| 22:34.25 | ompaul | smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sda |
| 22:34.38 | MACscr | petn-randall: on two severs with two different sets of drives and right after a fresh install? |
| 22:34.55 | ompaul | MACscr: different drives and nvidia hardware also ? |
| 22:34.56 | petn-randall | MACscr: Is that a rhetorical question? |
| 22:35.35 | brah | MACscr: dunno. Google would tell you the same thing we all did. |
| 22:35.35 | MACscr | petn-randall: no, im describing my situation |
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| 22:35.49 | ompaul | MACscr: hardware error is hardware go to machines or you bring them back to you and test them - remote DC second hand boxes are remote |
| 22:36.17 | ompaul | MACscr: also this reflects the issues you saw earlier, did you get them solved? |
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| 22:36.19 | petn-randall | MACscr: I've once ordered 4 S-ATA drives, and they all broke down within a week. It happens. |
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| 22:37.03 | MACscr | ompaul: with the system not seeing my other drives? |
| 22:38.04 | MACscr | now would idle sas drives in the two systems cause a problem? I mean, i have no sas controller, so i wouldnt think it would interfere. They dont show up in lspci or anything like that |
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| 22:38.59 | ompaul | they might the error is indicative of hardware issues - something it doesn't have to do anything other than sending some unknown confusing signal |
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| 22:39.22 | ompaul | missing comma is missing gaaaa |
| 22:39.37 | ompaul | they might the error is indicative of hardware issues - something, anything, it doesn't have to do anything other than sending some unknown confusing signal |
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| 22:41.00 | MACscr | did my grub cfg look ok? i found it odd that /boot isnt referenced as i did setup its own partition for that. Im not really a sysadmin though, so who knows |
| 22:41.43 | MACscr | i just find the msdos stuff to be weird |
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| 22:42.01 | ompaul | MACscr: eh no you don't need that there |
| 22:42.02 | MACscr | as i dont have any fat32 partitions or anything that i can think of that might think its even needed |
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| 22:42.58 | ompaul | all reflected in the comment, looks like you got yourself a hardware issue |
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| 22:44.44 | ompaul | MACscr: I run several dell servers of various types over the last few years, never had to do anything similar to your suggestions or config - maybe I've been very lucky. |
| 22:45.31 | dmsuperman | I'm trying to set up a chroot sftp but all the guides are telling me to use Subsystem sftp internal-sftp |
| 22:45.35 | MACscr | ompaul: same here |
| 22:45.37 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I got a mind f*ck here. Why is there assaultcube-data for amd64 but no assaultcube. And they call it "stable"..... |
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| 22:45.55 | dmsuperman | I don't have an internal-sftp but I do have a /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 22:45.56 | petn-randall | dmsuperman: Would also be the first thing that comes to my mind. Why not use it? |
| 22:46.19 | dmsuperman | Should I have an internal-sftp? |
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| 22:46.48 | petn-randall | dmsuperman: I think it's part of ssh-server |
| 22:47.16 | dmsuperman | ssh-server has no candidates, I'm using openssh-server |
| 22:47.28 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: -data is arch-all, the binary package isn't. |
| 22:47.40 | dmsuperman | Anyway, the value I have is what was pre-specified in my config file as the Subsystem line, nothing I chose |
| 22:47.51 | dmsuperman | I'm just having trouble logging in as this particular user |
| 22:47.54 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: And yes, we do call it stable. |
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| 22:51.49 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: and it's also non-free, which doesn't count as part of Debian, anyway. |
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| 23:01.50 | MissKitty | This is may be a dumb question but what's debian-6.0.7-amd64-businesscard.iso? |
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| 23:02.45 | Vicissitude | the debian iso for amd64 processors in a business-card-size CD form |
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| 23:02.59 | Vicissitude | haven't found any of those CDs in awhile though |
| 23:03.50 | MissKitty | oh ok got it thank you :) |
| 23:03.56 | Vicissitude | any time |
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| 23:12.13 | r0OOt | i discover a new exploit in ubuntu http://rooot.dyndns-server.com/ |
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| 23:15.58 | brah | r0OOt: I just reported you to futurbux. |
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| 23:22.38 | asterismo | hi |
| 23:22.49 | asterismo | i'm running testing xfce |
| 23:23.11 | asterismo | is there any support for gtk3 apps? like transmission toirrent client? |
| 23:23.15 | asterismo | torrent* |
| 23:24.52 | deveux | asterismo: yes, installing a program that needs gtk3 should install the dependencies (e.g libgtk-3-0). |
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| 23:25.33 | asterismo | but all themes in XFCE are GTK2 and GTK3 apps looks very bad |
| 23:25.37 | deveux | You'll need a theme that supports both gtk2 and gtk3 applications though, as XFCE itself uses GTK2. |
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| 23:26.13 | asterismo | is there any theme that supports both? |
| 23:26.32 | deveux | Check Greybird, Bluebird or Albatross. |
| 23:27.02 | deveux | (You can find them here: https://github.com/shimmerproject) |
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| 23:27.49 | john_rambo | when I opened google chrome a messages appeared saying something like Goggle Chrome has stopped updating for your operation system Learn More. Whaen I clicked learn more its says it needs Debian 6 + |
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| 23:32.00 | Nothing4You | hey there, i have a server. i installed debian, then changed apt to use testing, then upgraded the system. system works fine, even after a few reboots. then i change /etc/network/interfaces and the server fails to start (don't know whether it's just failing to load interfaces or whole system) |
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| 23:33.24 | terr1 | If you by mistake wrote to a logfile (like /var/log/syslog), it stops using it, how can you "restore" it? |
| 23:33.25 | petn-randall | john_rambo: And your question is? |
| 23:33.41 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: Sounds like you broke the interface config and it doesn't come up anymore. |
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| 23:34.07 | Nothing4You | the config file is http://ix.io/4Wy |
| 23:34.21 | john_rambo | petn-randall, Squeeze is 6 ...right ? What I need to upgrade to then ? |
| 23:35.56 | petn-randall | john_rambo: squeeze is 6. No idea what you need to upgrade, maybe someone else knows. But I guess you need to take it up with Google. |
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| 23:36.17 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: I guess you added ipv6 support? |
| 23:36.24 | john_rambo | petn-randall, Okay |
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| 23:36.50 | Nothing4You | it's the default config, i just added a comment and the "down route del -net xx.xx.39.128 netmask 255.255.255.224 gw xx.xx.39.129 eth0" |
| 23:37.30 | teraflops | `/leave |
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| 23:38.22 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: Well, it shouldn't have the x's in there, if the up command fails, the device doesn't go up. |
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| 23:39.28 | Nothing4You | i have the full ip addresses in there ofc |
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| 23:39.44 | Nothing4You | actually |
| 23:39.53 | Nothing4You | i think i just found the problem |
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| 23:40.08 | Nothing4You | in the ipv4 address line |
| 23:40.16 | Nothing4You | i had a comment at the end |
| 23:40.23 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: Run command after bringing the interface up. If this command fails then ifup aborts, refraining from marking the interface as configured |
| 23:40.39 | Nothing4You | for some reason it doesn't seem to support comments in lines with commands |
| 23:40.44 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: ^^ from the interfaces man page. |
| 23:41.16 | Nothing4You | i know that worked with my earlier stable version |
| 23:41.23 | Nothing4You | looks like that was changed |
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| 23:47.01 | john_rambo | petn-randall, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5659814/ |
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