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| 00:05.23 | abrotman | bozonius: on which version of Debian? |
| 00:05.29 | bozonius | 6.0 |
| 00:05.42 | bozonius | thx abrotman |
| 00:06.01 | abrotman | bozonius: so you're running unstable? |
| 00:06.02 | bozonius | do you need 6.0.x |
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| 00:06.14 | abrotman | 6.0 doesn't have perl 5.14 ? |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | judd: versions perl |
| 00:06.25 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; sid: 5.14.2-20; wheezy: 5.14.2-20; experimental: 5.16.3-1 |
| 00:06.25 | bozonius | not as installed by my hoster |
| 00:06.46 | bozonius | I have 5.10.1 |
| 00:06.46 | abrotman | bozonius: oh, it's a webhost? |
| 00:06.48 | bozonius | right |
| 00:06.52 | bozonius | but |
| 00:06.59 | bozonius | it's a VPS, so I can do what I want |
| 00:07.22 | bozonius | I tried the instructions on a few pages on debian.org, but couldn't get it to work |
| 00:07.24 | abrotman | that gets pretty iffy .. you'd have to upgrade the system to wheezy, but there is not security support for wheezy yet |
| 00:07.44 | bozonius | hmm |
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| 00:07.50 | bozonius | what sort of security support is missing? |
| 00:08.21 | bozonius | sorry, I'm doing a project for someone, and this and other things keep preventing me from getting done |
| 00:08.44 | bozonius | so I haven't thoroughly read every last page of the install and maintenance docs (though I will in due time) |
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| 00:09.16 | bozonius | I just need a quick way to get perl 5.16 or so without wrecking my entire Debian |
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| 00:09.47 | bozonius | I thought about getting the source tarball and doing it commando style |
| 00:10.00 | bozonius | but generally speaking I don't like that |
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| 00:10.43 | bozonius | I tried backports too and that doesn't work for me either |
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| 00:11.26 | abrotman | bozonius: what sort? there is no practical security support |
| 00:11.46 | bozonius | you mean, like iptables or msec? |
| 00:12.53 | xand | bozonius: no, security updates for packages |
| 00:12.59 | xand | to fix vulnerabilities |
| 00:13.21 | bozonius | is wheezy in release? or still in beta? |
| 00:14.15 | xand | beta |
| 00:14.18 | bozonius | ah |
| 00:14.19 | bozonius | ok |
| 00:14.31 | bozonius | I guess building it from tarball ... |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | which may have undesired effects on your base system .. |
| 00:14.46 | bozonius | lots of cpanm action ... |
| 00:15.17 | bozonius | yeah, I know. Unless I can get the deb packaging for it and build a deb myself? |
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| 00:15.28 | bozonius | or is that the problem the devs are having? (I read that) |
| 00:15.49 | bozonius | what if... |
| 00:15.57 | bozonius | I build and install it as a regular user? |
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| 00:16.07 | bozonius | into my own local directories |
| 00:16.19 | bozonius | then only that local user is at peril |
| 00:16.26 | bozonius | not the entire Debian system |
| 00:16.40 | bozonius | it's for an application not a system tool or server anyway |
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| 00:18.54 | question | hey, i got my install finished. Now, when the computer starts, it goes straight to a black screen with a cursor in the upper left hand corner |
| 00:19.02 | question | any ideas? I am googling, just not quite getting to an answer |
| 00:20.31 | bozonius | what if I build perl from the debian source for wheezy ? |
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| 00:22.22 | suppy1 | question: there was a problem with your install. is this a usb install ? |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | question: what's your video card? |
| 00:22.48 | question | yes, it is a usb install |
| 00:22.55 | question | my video card, one moment, new laptop |
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| 00:23.12 | abrotman | bozonius: same basic problem, but we can't stop you from trying |
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| 00:23.50 | question | AMD Radeon HD 7520G Discrete-Class graphics and up to 4077MB total graphics memory |
| 00:24.04 | suppy1 | question: you wrote the *.ISO image or .IMG to the usb ? |
| 00:24.13 | bozonius | I'm not an expert on security myself, but since perl is just an application, wouldn't it be protected by the existing security on 6.0? (Sorry if this is a dumb question) |
| 00:24.42 | question | .iso (i believe) i performed a net install to the usb using unetbootin |
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| 00:25.35 | bozonius | perl doesn't run setuid or anything |
| 00:25.42 | suppy1 | question: i had the same problem with *.ISO it doesn't make the USB bootable. but *.IMG does. |
| 00:25.52 | question | :( |
| 00:25.56 | question | but but |
| 00:25.58 | question | the install |
| 00:25.59 | suppy1 | i guess *.ISO is for CD/DVD |
| 00:25.59 | question | it worked |
| 00:26.09 | question | no, I have used .iso's for windows on a usb before |
| 00:26.12 | question | unless |
| 00:26.13 | question | magic? |
| 00:26.14 | question | :D |
| 00:26.15 | question | lol |
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| 00:26.39 | question | wow, that was crap, I got kicked for "flooding" |
| 00:26.45 | suppy1 | question: worked ? |
| 00:27.07 | question | suppy1: I know that I can install a windows 7 ultimate from usb, I have done it with two different iso's |
| 00:27.20 | question | that was for work though and the new laptop that i have will not run windows 7 |
| 00:27.21 | suppy1 | question: people here will not like that if you type a word on each line =) |
| 00:28.08 | suppy1 | question: windows != linux :) |
| 00:28.31 | question | I know that. I am just saying that I know that iso's can be used for bootable flash drives |
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| 00:30.47 | suppy1 | question: not always. i used other live linux boot disks creator for recovery software, they use linux kernel and their *.iso does not work on usb |
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| 00:30.57 | question | interesting |
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| 00:30.59 | suppy1 | they have special installation for usb. |
| 00:31.24 | question | i just found an article saying that most linux distros won't work on 64 bit machines properly (more than 4 GB ram)... seems like that isn't true? |
| 00:31.39 | question | I would think that unetbootin would give me the proper install for a bootable flashdrive |
| 00:31.55 | question | i was able to install it and I went through the entire isntall process |
| 00:32.01 | question | then it asked me to reboot |
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| 00:32.09 | bozonius | abrotman: what specific issue(s) is it concerning perl with 5.16? I just curious. I see there are some alerts about apache, etc., but I am not using any of that. |
| 00:32.23 | bozonius | s/I/I'm/ |
| 00:32.33 | question | and then black screen with cursor. I think that there might be some other issue other than the bootable usb... Does that make sense? |
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| 00:35.21 | suppy | question : with debian live i can create my own ISO image file and include some non-default packages. is this correct ? |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | bozonius: i'm more saying that the OS is expecting one veresion, and oyu're about to alter that |
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| 00:39.15 | question | suppy: to be honest, I don't know. I haven't tried it. All I know is that, I used this unetbootin and it did everything and I spend 30 minutes installing the os and getting it set up. Then on reboot, it wouldn't start up |
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| 00:40.52 | suppy | question: why do you need unetbootin ? just download bootable debian CD or install to a usb drive |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | question: what's your video card? |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | question: you likely have to install fglrx and haven't done so |
| 00:42.14 | question | AMD Radeon HD 7520G Discrete-Class graphics and up to 4077MB total graphics memory |
| 00:42.25 | question | abrotman: googling what fglrx is |
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| 00:43.26 | suppy | question: there is a disk recovery software that has recovery CD iso. I tried to create recovery USB with unetbootin. I had the same problem. Dark screen with cursor blinking on the top-left corner. |
| 00:44.02 | question | suppy: darn, well, if i just take the iso and put it on the usb, that isn't enough, right? |
| 00:44.16 | suppy | nope |
| 00:44.29 | question | hm... |
| 00:44.38 | question | why does this have to be so complicated? |
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| 00:44.43 | question | ugh |
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| 00:44.50 | question | This is why so few people use linux |
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| 00:45.59 | MrWGW- | question: what is your question? |
| 00:46.29 | MrWGW- | Linux is mainly used in server applications and embedded applications, although I myself use a number of Linux workstations for development |
| 00:46.31 | suppy | question: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ USB-HDD use that one. |
| 00:47.00 | MrWGW- | note though that if you have an Android phone or any one of a number of consumer appliances, you "use linux" daily |
| 00:47.02 | question | suppy: thanks, taking a look now |
| 00:47.07 | question | MrWGW-: Well, I guess it has moved on to this, since i installed debian using unetbootin and it didn't work (black screen w/ flashing cursor in upper left hand corner), do i just need to get the .img and put it on a flash drive and then boot like that? |
| 00:47.21 | question | MrWGW-: right, well obviously I was talking about laptop/desktop :D |
| 00:47.26 | question | kik |
| 00:47.29 | question | lol |
| 00:47.50 | MrWGW- | try installing from the official Debian media |
| 00:48.00 | MrWGW- | I myself have used unetbootin extensively, but not for a Debian install |
| 00:48.06 | MrWGW- | also some hardware doesn't work properly |
| 00:48.26 | MrWGW- | I myself have a much more difficult and challenging installation problem: |
| 00:48.34 | MrWGW- | I'm trying to get Debian to install on an HP Itanium workstation |
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| 00:48.43 | MrWGW- | it boots off of the disk alright but then freezes after it loads the intird |
| 00:48.59 | suppy | question: also try this google:Tails Live CD . Saves a lot of time when you need to partition disk or need quick debian. |
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| 00:55.57 | gnarface | MrWGW-: itaniums are not "amd64" *or* "i386" compatible (despite popular belief to the contrary and the fact that this knowledge is likely to anger you, its the god honest truth) so you need to download an ia64 image |
| 00:57.14 | gnarface | MrWGW-: that installer should at least *boot* on your hardware. no guarantees beyond that though |
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| 01:06.27 | bozonius | ok thanks |
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| 01:11.01 | rikio | hello |
| 01:11.19 | rikio | it's possible to use sendmail mail without dns on squeeze ? |
| 01:11.32 | rikio | so send mail |
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| 01:14.23 | gnarface | rikio: sortof. you can probably simulate dns by entering the hosts into /etc/hosts |
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| 01:14.37 | abrotman | rikio: do you want to send email to IPs? |
| 01:14.49 | gnarface | rikio: it will be obvious to every server that you connect to that you're a dirty spammer though |
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| 01:15.10 | gnarface | rikio: (or rather, that's what they'll assume by protocol whether you are or not, if you're trying to do this without proper DNS setups) |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | oh .. i wonder if he meant RDNS |
| 01:15.40 | rikio | gnarface |
| 01:15.42 | gnarface | shrugs |
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| 01:16.20 | rikio | gnarface only want to use my squeeze to sent email |
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| 01:18.33 | rikio | i am working with PRTG on windows 7 and i cant send mail when i put smtp.domain.net ; so i want to relay but my squeeze |
| 01:18.55 | rikio | i dont know if it's possible |
| 01:19.47 | Seekanet | rikio i might be wrong but people will just tell you to try #windows (or ##windows) |
| 01:20.57 | rikio | ok but i want only to send mail with sendmail on my squeeze help me for that |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | so send mail .. what's the problem? |
| 01:21.35 | rikio | i install and change sendmail.cf |
| 01:22.06 | rikio | i add in Smart DSsmtp.domain.net |
| 01:22.25 | rikio | i can send mail in local |
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| 01:22.35 | question | suppy1: now that I have this live usb, it works great. I want to install this on my computer and there are no options? In fact, it allowed me to log into my account that I currently have already set up. |
| 01:22.40 | rikio | when i check telnet is ok |
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| 01:22.47 | question | This is very confusing. |
| 01:23.04 | Seekanet | rikio did you install postfix? |
| 01:23.37 | rikio | no i read somewhere i can send mail with only sendmail |
| 01:24.10 | rikio | i am beginner and postfix is very big for me |
| 01:24.52 | rikio | i try mail -s "test" name@domain.net |
| 01:24.58 | Seekanet | http://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/4099-sendmail-outgoing-mail-only-setup.html / http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/outgoing-only.html |
| 01:25.03 | Seekanet | maybe these guides can help? |
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| 01:25.11 | rikio | thks |
| 01:25.22 | Seekanet | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-configure-sendmail-as-outbound-submission-mta/ |
| 01:25.24 | Seekanet | that? |
| 01:25.26 | Seekanet | idk |
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| 01:26.46 | question | ok, I am confused now, can someone help me understand what is going on? |
| 01:26.49 | question | I installed debian |
| 01:27.18 | question | now, if i boot up, it won't work. it goes to a black screen with a cursor. if i take the .img, book into that, then remove the usb after it loads, everything works fine |
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| 02:32.44 | future28 | Hey all - I use gnome in my default tty, but I would like to "test" another wm (without ruining gnome) - How is the best way to do this? |
| 02:33.24 | KsM | launch another xserver |
| 02:33.36 | future28 | In another tty? Will gnome still try to run? |
| 02:33.52 | KsM | startx -- :2 or something |
| 02:34.05 | future28 | sure, thanks KsM |
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| 02:44.06 | future28 | Can anyone recommend a tiled wm for a newbie to tiled wms? |
| 02:44.26 | future28 | Just wanting to use it to get used to twms and maybe something that is very configurable |
| 02:44.56 | mmnicolas | future28: i3 |
| 02:45.00 | Nik05 | awesome is very configurabe... |
| 02:45.11 | Nik05 | but no idea |
| 02:45.24 | mmnicolas | I use i3 and I'm having a blast |
| 02:45.29 | future28 | I was just looking at awesome, I will check i3 out now, cheers Nik05, mmnicolas |
| 02:45.35 | future28 | mmnicolas: How long have you been using it? |
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| 02:47.21 | scootypuff | why does debian use such old version of glibc, even in testing? |
| 02:48.15 | mmnicolas | future28: a few months, and I was new to tiling, http://ompldr.org/vaHh1eg, http://ompldr.org/vaHh2MA |
| 02:48.15 | KsM | maybe because debian's philosophy is to be more stable than updated |
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| 02:49.07 | future28 | mmnicolas: Looks nice! Are all applications supported by these wms? |
| 02:49.35 | KsM | mmnicolas: pipes.sh? |
| 02:49.54 | mmnicolas | KsM: yea |
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| 02:51.12 | mmnicolas | future28: what do you mean "supports" ? applications show up when I run them yes :) |
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| 02:53.16 | rww | scootypuff: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00617.html |
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| 02:54.43 | future28 | mmnicolas: cheers, I will give it a go! |
| 02:55.24 | scootypuff | do you know when wheezy will become stable? |
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| 02:55.59 | mmnicolas | scootypuff: when the green bar hits zero : http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 02:56.33 | ryan_ | Anyone have any luck with installing Debian on a newer "Windows 8 laptop"? I know the legacy BIOS mode work around. My issues been with a lack of brightness controls |
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| 02:57.41 | mrdeb | is it ok if hard drive has 10 bad sectors |
| 02:58.11 | truexfan81 | no |
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| 03:00.09 | mmnicolas | it can be dealt with, to some extent |
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| 03:17.01 | ariqs | is there a log in linux of output to the terminal window of a previous login? because my laptop ran out of batteries with info on the screen I wanted to see. |
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| 03:17.53 | petn-randall | question: If something doesn't work, it's always helpful to provide the exact error message, or at least explain what happens. |
| 03:19.37 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 03:20.58 | mmnicolas | ariqs: no |
| 03:21.25 | ariqs | thanks, I just got told in another channel too, heh. Silence and then everyone is in :) |
| 03:21.48 | ariqs | I was hoping. Would have saved me a few hours |
| 03:22.39 | petn-randall | ariqs: It's possible to configure it to write all output to a file, though I don't recommend that (think about accidently doing 'cat $largefile'). |
| 03:23.17 | KsM | petn-randall: there is a program that just grabs what's currently printed on the terminal though |
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| 03:23.29 | truexfan81 | petn-randall: or compiling stuff |
| 03:23.41 | KsM | I don't remember the name, but if he could find it, then set up a cron that snaps it and writes it, that could work I guess |
| 03:24.06 | KsM | alternatively it could just be a screenshot with the framebuffer I guess |
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| 03:24.36 | KsM | (if he's only looking to get what was last printed onto it, rather than the last few screens) |
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| 03:26.29 | mmnicolas | or running 'script' all session long |
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| 03:27.29 | mmnicolas | even that, probably wouldn't happen to write to disk right before an unexpected outage |
| 03:27.40 | petn-randall | ariqs: for the next time you may use 'tee' to pipe the output also into a file. Dunno if it'd had helped in your case. |
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| 03:37.00 | owen1 | is there a best practice for installing packages from source? for example should i use ./configure --prefix=/home/foo/installs or keep the deafult location for install? |
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| 03:37.08 | suppy1 | Question : what is X ? |
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| 03:40.42 | prompt32 | a letter ? |
| 03:40.44 | LtL | suppy1: The X Windows system, http://x.org/ |
| 03:41.19 | suppy1 | LtL : too formal for me, they dont have a starter paragraph to explain it ! |
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| 03:42.13 | LtL | suppy1: it's the underlying server supporting desktop enviroments. |
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| 03:42.34 | suppy1 | LtL: whats x client ? |
| 03:42.53 | rww | a client for the aforementioned server |
| 03:44.06 | suppy1 | ok but who is this client that using the desktop environment ? |
| 03:44.20 | Rusty1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System |
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| 04:03.24 | rryoumaa | i have 2 old pata drives, and want to get a card so they can be used in a box that only has sata. we found one that has a "driver". i was unaware that such things existed. is this going to work with debian? |
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| 04:27.30 | mmnicolas | let me ask my crystal ball to see if a random unknown pata card is going to be supported |
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| 04:29.25 | mmnicolas | Find a model, find a review/forum post/blog of someone who got it working, do not buy if you failed step 2. |
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| 04:30.51 | mmnicolas | rryoumaa: any idea of the brand/model ? |
| 04:30.52 | rryoumaa | so it sounds like a lot are not supported, then |
| 04:31.38 | rryoumaa | mmnicolas: a friend found a local one, but i wasn't told the brand or model. if i find that out, is there a good place to look it up? |
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| 04:32.26 | rryoumaa | (i asked for the chipset too in case there is such a thing) |
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| 04:33.46 | mmnicolas | rryoumaa: I'd start with a few plain google search with the model/brand and different distributions name, this should give you an idea |
| 04:33.57 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 04:34.41 | mmnicolas | if you're lucky you're going to find some guy saying you have to do X and Y so it works, or better, that it just works. |
| 04:35.42 | rryoumaa | ok |
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| 05:00.41 | shiwa001 | hello?? |
| 05:00.49 | mmnicolas | what |
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| 05:09.11 | cardamon | Trying to remove libmtp9 (to install a later version from source...need device support), but when I tried it said it was going to remove a lot of packages I don't want to lose. Like task-kde-desktop and all the files it points to. |
| 05:09.21 | cardamon | s/files/packages/ |
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| 05:10.59 | cardamon | To put it another way, apt wants to remove too much, how do I make it stop? |
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| 05:18.28 | mmnicolas | how are you building that replacement package ? |
| 05:18.49 | mmnicolas | you shouldnt remove the actual version, just update it to your new package |
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| 05:24.34 | cardamon | mmnicolas: I wasn't going to build it as a package at all. I was just going to download the source and compile and install it. |
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| 05:25.18 | cardamon | It's for mtp support for mounting my phone. |
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| 05:25.52 | cardamon | The version currently in Wheezy is from April...they've added a lot of device support since. |
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| 05:31.25 | apm1 | why is the icon on for "mail reader" in the application menu of xfce 4.8 on wheezy not rendered properly ? |
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| 05:32.33 | apm1 | i also have a sid install on this machine running xfce 4.8 as well but the mail reader icon in its application menu is just fine |
| 05:32.48 | apm1 | any way i can fix this ? |
| 05:33.56 | apm1 | never mind just figured it out XD |
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| 05:37.43 | cardamon | no advice? |
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| 05:52.23 | rww | cardamon: the upside of building a package instead would be that packages that depend on libmtp9 wouldn't end up uninstalled... |
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| 05:59.00 | cardamon | dpkg: uupdate? |
| 05:59.00 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
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| 06:17.03 | kc8qvp | What is the difference, precisely, between debian-6.0.8-amd64-DVD-1.iso and debian-update-6.0.8-amd64-DVD-1.iso ? |
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| 06:22.52 | rww | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd |
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| 06:23.51 | kc8qvp | thanks; I looked but didn't see that |
| 06:24.29 | Konomi | does anyone know some general steps for diagnosing high xorg cpu usage besides xrestop? |
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| 06:44.28 | mansgrf | http://xteensx.info/german-amateur-fucking-outdoors/ |
| 06:44.55 | rww | they were in here on the same nick the other day, a +q on their nick might be useful |
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| 06:58.23 | polobear | any security professionals here? |
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| 06:59.45 | kc8qvp | polobear: well, I kindof used to be |
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| 06:59.50 | peterrooney | polobear: i hope none would admit to it here |
| 06:59.57 | peterrooney | !ask |
| 06:59.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:00.06 | polobear | just looking for advice on certs and degrees |
| 07:00.07 | reavengrey | I read a book on linux security in the library |
| 07:00.10 | reavengrey | ama |
| 07:00.10 | paramore | no. if they told you, they had to kill you |
| 07:00.30 | paramore | zon |
| 07:00.41 | kc8qvp | I don't really have any advice on that front. |
| 07:01.13 | polobear | anybody take offensive security cert.? |
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| 07:04.55 | owen1 | is there a best practice for installing packages from source? for example should i use ./configure --prefix=/home/foo/installs or keep the deafult location for install? |
| 07:05.58 | kc8qvp | owen1: it's typical to put them in /usr/local... iirc, that's still recommended |
| 07:06.16 | kc8qvp | there are tools that can wrap a source install up into a package |
| 07:06.21 | kc8qvp | so that you can at least uninstall it easily |
| 07:06.44 | kc8qvp | you have to read the installation instructions carefully to know exactly which options to pass to configure to get it to install everything into a place like /usr/local |
| 07:06.47 | peterrooney | owen1: /usr/local is a sane prefix, and I can't recall any software where that isn't the default. |
| 07:07.18 | kc8qvp | realize that uninstalling source installs can be very difficult if they do not provide a 'make uninstall' which they frequently do not |
| 07:07.27 | kc8qvp | so probably should keep a log of the 'make install' output |
| 07:07.30 | peterrooney | owen1: what kc8qvp said - look into apt-src. The final screen of its man page has a short howto. |
| 07:07.50 | kc8qvp | you can also install things into /opt/<package_name>/ |
| 07:08.00 | kc8qvp | but then you have to add stuff to your PATH etc. |
| 07:08.20 | peterrooney | owen1: apt-src allows you to build debian packages from source, if, say, you need to tweak compiler opts or some such. |
| 07:08.51 | owen1 | peterrooney: awesome. so no need to change the prefix, let it install it in /usr/local but keep the folder that i downloaded if it has 'make uninstall' |
| 07:08.57 | owen1 | kc8qvp: ^ |
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| 07:12.10 | peterrooney | owen1: this is typically true. I always run ./configure --help | more just to be sure. |
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| 07:14.45 | owen1 | peterrooney: great. i'll start doing that. stupid question - make install will put it in /usr/local, but in multiple folders, not just in bin. is that the main reason why it's so hard to uninstall a package if the author didn't provide 'make uninstall'? |
| 07:15.21 | owen1 | and is make uninstall basicaly doing rm of multiple files/folders? |
| 07:16.10 | peterrooney | owen1: (i) if there's no make uninstall, there's no telling (unless you logged the make install) where files might be. |
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| 07:18.24 | owen1 | isn't it better to do local installs so removing it will be easier - rm -rf ~/installs/tmux-1.8 |
| 07:18.55 | owen1 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5462084 |
| 07:19.03 | peterrooney | (ii) probably. there might be a few ld-configs as well |
| 07:19.28 | ompaul | it's only better if you don't want the system wide users to have a grip on it (a good reason to package it) |
| 07:20.00 | peterrooney | owen1: probably not better. For reasoning, tell me what "echo $PATH" is in your shell. |
| 07:21.07 | peterrooney | I expect you will see /usr/local/bin/ (and also /usr/local/sbin as root) |
| 07:21.16 | owen1 | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 07:21.28 | owen1 | games?? |
| 07:21.32 | owen1 | wtf |
| 07:21.44 | owen1 | i don't have games. it's a server |
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| 07:23.32 | kc8qvp | owen1: that's just one of the defaults |
| 07:23.48 | peterrooney | owen1: it's usually set in /etc/profile, and is a harmless default. |
| 07:23.48 | nkuttler | owen1: a game server? |
| 07:23.56 | kc8qvp | owen1: yes, the reason it's hard to uninstall is that it goes into lots of different folders, that all contain stuff installed from lots of packages |
| 07:24.11 | kc8qvp | owen1: it's not practical to install lots of things into their own directories, because your PATH etc. gets unweildy |
| 07:24.42 | kc8qvp | owen1: so yes, if they provide make uninstall, then keep the build folder around so you can use it later. if they don't, keep a copy of the output of 'make install' so that you can manually track down what files it installed |
| 07:24.50 | kc8qvp | this all assumes you care. I do, but many people don't seem to. |
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| 07:26.00 | peterrooney | kc8qvp: I have fallen victim to unweildy PATHs. |
| 07:26.08 | owen1 | now that i understand it better, i'll start doing it. do u run make install > file (if you found that there is no 'make uninstall')? |
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| 07:27.02 | peterrooney | owen1: use "tee" (found in coreutils) - make install | tee install.log |
| 07:27.35 | owen1 | sweet |
| 07:27.42 | babilen | owen1: (and just use stow in the future -- see "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage" -- not sure if it has been mentioned before) |
| 07:27.42 | peterrooney | tee copies terminal output to a file |
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| 07:29.00 | owen1 | babilen: omg. is it going to create gobolinux style? http://www.gobolinux.org/ |
| 07:29.07 | babilen | owen1: I see now that you almost definitely want to use stow and install tmux 1.8 to /usr/share/local/stow/tmux-1.8/ |
| 07:29.28 | babilen | owen1: no, not really :) |
| 07:29.34 | owen1 | i love this idea. of folder per package |
| 07:29.44 | owen1 | i can just rm the folder |
| 07:30.20 | babilen | owen1: Oh, and what about shared libraries? |
| 07:30.46 | owen1 | put them in shared. i don't know (: |
| 07:30.48 | babilen | owen1: But you'll like stow in that case. Simply wanted to point out "The right tool for the job"â„¢ |
| 07:31.07 | owen1 | babilen: is it widly used? |
| 07:31.22 | owen1 | i don't want to do something that will confuse future admins |
| 07:31.33 | owen1 | wildly |
| 07:31.36 | babilen | owen1: I would say yes, but not necessarily everybody knows about it. |
| 07:31.50 | kc8qvp | peterrooney: me too. |
| 07:31.59 | babilen | It is not magic and every administrator who does local installations should know it. |
| 07:32.46 | kc8qvp | note that I mentioned that there are tools like that |
| 07:32.50 | kc8qvp | I just didn't know which one to recommend |
| 07:32.54 | kc8qvp | I do recommend using them, though |
| 07:33.06 | kc8qvp | doing it that way makes you a good admin |
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| 07:33.22 | kc8qvp | another admin who is confused by the concept or thinks it's dumb or a waste of time is not an admin I would be thrilled about hiring |
| 07:33.27 | kc8qvp | although there are probably a lot of them |
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| 07:36.09 | kc8qvp | (fwiw, the reason I use debian / it's my favorite, is that I think package management is The Right Way to do things, and it has the best package management, in terms of both tools (dpkg, apt, etc.) and quality of packages. Use existing packages whenever possible. When not possible, create packages to add to the repos instead of doing source installs :) |
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| 07:37.20 | kc8qvp | owen1: ^^ |
| 07:37.20 | owen1 | btw, currently i use bash script to provision my server. anyone using tools like chef/puppet? |
| 07:37.33 | kc8qvp | I use puppet. |
| 07:37.40 | kc8qvp | it doesn't actually do the first steps of provisioning though. |
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| 07:38.35 | kc8qvp | but you can use kickstart or the debian equiv (haven't used that yet) etc. in a minimal way, and then do everything else (as much as humanly possible) w/ puppet |
| 07:38.47 | kc8qvp | I don't have any experience w/ the other config mgmt tools (chef, cfengine, etc.) |
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| 07:42.29 | owen1 | it seems like chef is getting some momentum recently. Amazon just purchased OpsWorks that is adding a PaaS layer on top of Chef. |
| 07:43.17 | owen1 | it make things simpler when working with AWS but it also lock you to Amazon. |
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| 07:43.48 | kc8qvp | weird |
| 07:44.01 | kc8qvp | fwiw, puppet does have stuff built-in to do provisioning in one instance: for amazon EC2 |
| 07:44.10 | kc8qvp | or maybe that's puppet enterprise only; not sure. |
| 07:44.34 | kc8qvp | I really like the puppet way of doing things. but it can also be weird. ymmv. |
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| 07:45.35 | kc8qvp | hello oz4kk de kc8qvp k |
| 07:45.37 | kc8qvp | :) |
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| 08:23.55 | somethinginteres | with Wheezy on the way to release what should I do since I am currently running "testing" to prepare, should I change to stable for awhile for example? |
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| 08:24.42 | BenNZ | somethinginteres: do you want to use wheezy , stable or testing? |
| 08:25.24 | BenNZ | somethinginteres: what i mean is do you want to follow wheezy when it goes stable or stay with testing ? |
| 08:26.38 | somethinginteres | BenNZ: Well I'd say I'd like to continue to receive more up to date packages that testing seems to provides. |
| 08:27.03 | somethinginteres | BenNZ: just not sure if there's anything I should be doing to keep things smooth or if I just leave everything as is |
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| 08:27.22 | peterrooney | somethinginteres: If you want to keep using wheezy, change your sources.list to wheezy (from testing) before wheezy gets declared stable. also, consider using backports |
| 08:27.47 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.00 | somethinginteres | peterrooney: hmm never thought of using backports. |
| 08:30.17 | peterrooney | somethinginteres: also, /msg dpkg sns syndrome |
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| 08:30.57 | peterrooney | the only thing I use backports for is iceweasel because it just won't shut up about versions otherwise. |
| 08:32.17 | somethinginteres | peterrooney: I like to keep my multimedia applications and libraries up to date as possible that was my motivation to install testing but backports may suffice |
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| 08:37.28 | somethinginteres | peterrooney: If I was to move to stable w/ backports what's the process to move my system to that setup, since presumably updated packages would need to downgrade to a stable version |
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| 08:41.36 | peterrooney | somethinginteres: /msg dpkg backports. ALSO: /msg dpkg listkeys <foo> |
| 08:42.00 | somethinginteres | peterrooney: thanks peter. |
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| 09:53.42 | kvarley | I'm a long term Ubuntu user and have recently spent a couple of months using Arch Linux. I'm considering switching to Debian as my main distro. I've got the impression that Debian is all about FOSS. Does this mean I cannot install non-free things like FGLRX on Debian? |
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| 09:54.56 | rww | kvarley: see /msg dpkg non-free, /msg dpkg fglrx, for a start |
| 09:55.06 | kvarley | rww: Thank you |
| 09:55.39 | project2501a | kvarley: basically non-free stuff are available, but you have to make a (small) effort to install them yourself |
| 09:56.02 | kvarley | project2501a: Ok that's fine :) thanks. |
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| 10:03.53 | dzan | hi, I'm new to all this; I debootstrapped a wheezy rootfs and booted it with the latest kernel, on boot I get a bunch of 'getty....' errors that repeat, this is because there are no tty* I think, how do I disable this? I checked inittab wich I think delegates it to rcS but I can't find getty references in there |
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| 10:04.44 | Getty | I AM EVERYWHERE! I AM OMNIPRESENT! OBEY! ;-) hehe.... |
| 10:04.52 | ocei3ko | huehue |
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| 10:12.30 | paramore | wtf? |
| 10:12.59 | ParkerR | paramore, What? |
| 10:13.24 | paramore | what what? |
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| 10:13.35 | Getty | in the butt...... |
| 10:13.56 | paramore | don't pick up a soap in a jail |
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| 10:17.39 | boudiccas | atm my mobile mounts SDcard and ext_sdcard, both as msc devices, but neither seen by my computer [linux running debian 7] how do i get it so that the mobile mounts one or the other, at my choice please? i know its not strictly a debian question but it does impinge on debian anyway |
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| 11:03.12 | pandemonium | Hello, my connection drops on debian after about 5 mins with no apparent reason |
| 11:03.18 | pandemonium | Any ieda what that might be? |
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| 11:06.34 | schwatvogel | explain connections |
| 11:06.49 | schwatvogel | ssh http telnet,whatever? |
| 11:06.56 | pandemonium | My Internet connection...I browse the net normally |
| 11:07.05 | pandemonium | then it just drops, i ping my router its unreachable |
| 11:07.17 | pandemonium | http |
| 11:08.38 | pandemonium | its very strange...I try to set static ip still nothing |
| 11:08.49 | pandemonium | The only thing that helps is reboot, and then again it works 5-10 mins |
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| 11:10.06 | xand | wifi? |
| 11:10.24 | pandemonium | eth0 |
| 11:10.39 | xand | look in dmesg after it fails, it may show errors |
| 11:11.11 | pandemonium | i did...nothing much it says something it cant find ipv6 addresses? |
| 11:11.24 | pandemonium | (i think iam not in debian right now) |
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| 11:18.20 | ompaul | pandemonium: is (A) wireless or (B) wired ? |
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| 11:18.44 | ompaul | ahh it's wired, |
| 11:18.54 | pandemonium | wired... :/ |
| 11:19.05 | pandemonium | iam looking at the documentation...nothing there |
| 11:19.19 | pandemonium | I mean, its eth0...its plug n play |
| 11:19.26 | ompaul | pandemonium: ping your router for a while and see if it is the network |
| 11:19.34 | pandemonium | its not :D |
| 11:19.48 | pandemonium | i ping immediately the router and its unreachable |
| 11:20.11 | ompaul | is there a second computer on the lan? |
| 11:20.43 | pandemonium | well, there is |
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| 11:23.18 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 11:43.54 | hfrsk | how do I add the subset 'Education' under add/remove software |
| 11:44.15 | hfrsk | ?? |
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| 11:50.21 | boudiccas | hfrsk: use 'alacarte' |
| 11:50.54 | ompaul | hfrsk: or install taskselect and type tasksel --list and worm on from there |
| 11:51.01 | ompaul | or work if you prefer |
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| 11:54.44 | hfrsk | alacarte just adds whats on my menu of software, I want to knwo what I have to do to add it to the 'add remove software' as a group or subset or whatever |
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| 11:56.47 | boudiccas | hfrsk: use the menu buttons on the right hand side of the app |
| 11:58.48 | pandemonium | anyone has a clue why my debian internet connection drops after 5-10 mins :) |
| 11:58.56 | pandemonium | any suggestions would be appreciated |
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| 12:01.11 | abrotman | pandemonium: are you sure your DNS isn't changing? |
| 12:01.38 | pandemonium | I dont know... |
| 12:01.48 | pandemonium | What worries me is that my router wont respond to ping |
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| 12:07.10 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 12:08.58 | Bercik | Guys, I have problem with cron. When I run script mannually (/script.sh parameter) it works fine. But when I put this into cron for some reason it runs without parameter given. Why is that, any clue? |
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| 12:09.08 | EasyAsPie | ? |
| 12:09.33 | Bercik | in cron /script.sh parameter does not work |
| 12:09.51 | Bercik | it drops parameter and issues script without it |
| 12:10.06 | EasyAsPie | no |
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| 12:13.54 | abrotman | Bercik: you can have it run verbosely |
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| 12:16.53 | Bercik | abrotman, my script, or cron? |
| 12:17.36 | abrotman | what's the cron line? |
| 12:17.48 | Bercik | 0 6 * * 0 /script.sh parameter1 parameter2 |
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| 12:18.48 | abrotman | tried putting it in quotes? |
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| 12:19.35 | Bercik | yup |
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| 12:19.47 | Bercik | tried " and ` |
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| 12:20.28 | abrotman | and the parameters are "parameter1" and "parameter2"? |
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| 12:21.16 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i have made my grub-legacy not work. Now i am at grub rescue. I tryed set root=(hd0,msdos1)/ and insmod linux. But it tells me "error: too deep nesting of symlinks." |
| 12:21.21 | Bercik | I gave an example of idea. But I can put here exact script name and parameteres if you want. |
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| 12:23.33 | ompaul | Bercik: is your script in / ? |
| 12:23.53 | ompaul | Bercik: also included the perameters in the script that would be better |
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| 12:23.56 | Bercik | no, like i said.. was an example. it's in my home folder |
| 12:24.31 | abrotman | Bercik: the exact bits might show the actual problem |
| 12:24.41 | abrotman | Bercik: have you tried logging $1 and $2 when the script runs ? |
| 12:24.48 | ompaul | well good things about cron are 0 * * * * 1 /usr/local/bin/myscript |
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| 12:25.09 | ompaul | Bercik: also one less * in mine ... |
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| 12:26.31 | Bercik | abrotman, i give parameters to script, and those parameters are function names I want to issue |
| 12:27.16 | abrotman | Bercik: yes .. third line of the script .. "echo $1 > /tmp/myscript.log;echo $2 >> /tmp/myscript.log" or something like that |
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| 12:32.06 | petn-randall | Bercik: You're missing the user in the cron line. It shouldn't even run AFAICS. |
| 12:32.43 | abrotman | petn-randall: if it's his user crontab, not needed |
| 12:32.46 | Bercik | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 12:32.55 | Bercik | 26 14 * * * |
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| 12:33.17 | Bercik | it's five, and then script name |
| 12:33.22 | petn-randall | Oh, I see. |
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| 12:39.03 | Bercik | abrotman, it's weird. When I do >&/tmp/asd.log manually it writes output, but when done within cron - it saves nothing. |
| 12:39.24 | petn-randall | Bercik: How do you know it's running at all? |
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| 12:40.34 | Bercik | i monitor syslog and also have my own log files from within script (they just check if last command returned 0 or not and write to file ok or not ok) |
| 12:40.52 | Bercik | but that's inside function |
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| 12:41.23 | petn-randall | Bercik: What does the script do and what are the exact parameters? |
| 12:41.37 | Bercik | it SCPs files over network. |
| 12:41.48 | Bercik | gonna paste you script in pastebin, hold on |
| 12:41.49 | abrotman | Bercik: maybe it's time to paste the script ? |
| 12:41.55 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 12:43.12 | Bercik | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/nUqBkWZJ |
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| 12:43.46 | Bercik | and based of what parameters I gave it - it sends file to either 1st, 2nd, or both locations |
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| 12:45.04 | Bercik | and crontab line was like: 38 14 * * * /home/bercik/skrypty/hubble_DR.sh pollux apollo>&/tmp/asd.log |
| 12:45.05 | abrotman | Bercik: i only see the $1 and $2 at the bottom, is that correct? |
| 12:45.13 | Bercik | yup, that's correct |
| 12:45.21 | abrotman | ah, you're calling the functions? |
| 12:45.33 | Bercik | and like I said, when we issue command from terminal it's all ok, working like charm |
| 12:45.39 | Bercik | it's cron that has some weird problems. |
| 12:45.40 | abrotman | Bercik: have you tried using full path to binaries used in the script ? |
| 12:45.48 | Bercik | yup, I'm pointing to functions |
| 12:45.53 | petn-randall | Bercik: I can imagine that it just breaks somewhere in the middle because $PATH isn't set, or .. |
| 12:46.04 | petn-randall | abrotman beat me again to it. |
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| 12:46.19 | blubberdiblub | Bercik, does your actual script have a shebang (#!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash, whichever you need)? if not, please add it |
| 12:46.30 | Bercik | well... no |
| 12:46.31 | Bercik | ;D |
| 12:46.34 | Bercik | hold on |
| 12:46.34 | abrotman | Bercik: set an ENVVAR to point to the full path of 'scp' .. then use that in the command |
| 12:46.49 | Bercik | if that's the case I'm gonna be ... well ashamed for starters :P |
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| 12:47.56 | ak5 | hi guys, I heard I can install debian-mips on my Ainol NOVO 7 Basic Tablet |
| 12:48.01 | ak5 | that's awesome |
| 12:48.03 | ak5 | :) |
| 12:48.05 | ak5 | thanks |
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| 12:50.29 | Bercik | blubberdiblub, well... I hoped it's gonna work, but adding that line made cron not run it completly |
| 12:50.45 | Bercik | later I got mine notification ok or not ok, and some action.. but it does not start at all |
| 12:50.56 | petn-randall | Bercik: Use the shebang, and reference all commands with full path. |
| 12:51.10 | abrotman | it's likely the full path, not the shebang |
| 12:51.34 | abrotman | Bercik: also, you can make the second line "set -x", and it will give you verbose output |
| 12:51.36 | petn-randall | The shebang is just for completeness. |
| 12:51.42 | petn-randall | and style. |
| 12:51.42 | abrotman | and sanity :) |
| 12:51.54 | petn-randall | :) |
| 12:52.03 | blubberdiblub | well, how would cron know how to run his script without shebang? |
| 12:52.20 | Bercik | but should I rewrite all echos to /bin/echo |
| 12:52.27 | Bercik | or just "weird" commands like scp |
| 12:52.57 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: it could run them as "bash /home/user/foo.sh" |
| 12:53.14 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, yes, but he doesn't |
| 12:53.15 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: however, it could also use dash,ash,ksh,zsh,etc .. |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: so what does it use? because his script was running, just not correctly |
| 12:53.35 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, i mean he doesn't give an explicit shell on the line. so it cannot know |
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| 12:53.43 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: hence "for sanity" |
| 12:54.38 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, well, i'm not so sure if it was running at all without the shebang |
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| 12:56.43 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: you told me it logged the variables? |
| 12:56.48 | abrotman | erm, he told us |
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| 12:57.35 | Bercik | abrotman, blubberdiblub guys. I think bin/bash thing solved issue. Gonna remove all temporary files and recheck it.. but THANKS for help so much. |
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| 12:57.44 | Bercik | and crazy... one line killed script ;D |
| 12:58.20 | abrotman | is in disbelief! |
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| 12:59.07 | Bercik | oh come on.. 28 lines of crazy code.. all ok, but bam! cron want's just one more |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | did you complete the path also? |
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| 13:02.39 | Bercik | I confirm. Everything works like a charm. Only #!/bin/bash |
| 13:02.39 | Bercik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.55 | Bercik | no need for /bin/echo in script or anything |
| 13:02.58 | abrotman | cries |
| 13:03.13 | Bercik | there there |
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| 13:03.58 | Bercik | thanks again guys... now back to idling |
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| 13:07.20 | Bercik | daaaaamn... I feel so silly ;P |
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| 13:08.55 | ompaul | Bercik: daaaaamn left the channel yesterday ;-) |
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| 13:26.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Why everyone use "make menuconfig" for kernel? I personaly prefer "make nconfig" |
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| 13:27.01 | ghost75 | is ide mode using hda or sda devices? |
| 13:27.17 | schwatvogel | whats that? (havent build a kernel for years now) |
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| 13:28.11 | Nach0z | ghost75: I'd assume it's hda mode |
| 13:28.24 | apm1 | schwatvogel, interfaces to include/exclude modules before compiling the kernel |
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| 13:28.37 | Nach0z | 'cuz sda means Sata Disk afaik |
| 13:28.38 | erre | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: I prefer nconfig too ;) |
| 13:29.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | What advantages menuconfig have over nconfig? Nconfig is leet and cool and have easyer interface. But what was the reason for everyone to use menuconfig? |
| 13:29.29 | abrotman | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 13:29.54 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | no |
| 13:29.56 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | :( |
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| 13:31.31 | ghost75 | because it has menu? |
| 13:32.11 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | didnt you try nconfig. it have it too |
| 13:32.21 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | And nconfigs menu is much better |
| 13:32.29 | apm1 | why are we talking personal preference here ? |
| 13:32.48 | apm1 | this is a #debian support channel not #kernel |
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| 13:33.25 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Becouse nano and nconfig is cool |
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| 13:34.02 | apm1 | well go to #debian-offtopic and praise your tools of choice as much as you want |
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| 13:34.17 | apm1 | jut keep the way clear for people who need support here |
| 13:34.18 | ghost75 | u are troll |
| 13:34.29 | Guest79206 | hey guys ... got a question about installing stuff ... i'm trying to write a little script which takes a files as argument and installs all the software... somebody can help me? |
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| 13:34.49 | Guest79206 | can i pipe the list to apt-get somehow? |
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| 13:35.59 | ompaul | Guest79206: wrong network, try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net and they will talk to you about creating a package I'll have the bot send you some reading material first |
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| 13:37.27 | Guest79206 | thx for the info |
| 13:37.28 | Guest79206 | ! |
| 13:37.51 | ompaul | read about it first |
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| 13:44.05 | schwatvogel | apm1: i know what make menuconfig can do, the question was whats doe make nconfig do, wheres the difference to menuconfig |
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| 13:44.08 | schwatvogel | ? |
| 13:44.24 | schwatvogel | apm1: forget it |
| 13:44.27 | schwatvogel | found i the info |
| 13:44.33 | apm1 | schwatvogel, :) |
| 13:44.37 | schwatvogel | yoda spoke has.... |
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| 14:08.17 | petn-randall | ghost75: IDE and S-ATA, both use /dev/sdX syntax in newer kernels, ever since IDE moves to libata. |
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| 14:23.45 | ghost75 | petn-rendall: i cloned physical host to vm |
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| 14:24.23 | ghost75 | it boots to grub and then goes booom |
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| 14:26.59 | Towzzer | ghost75- sometimes device names are differenet, xenserver uses xvdX |
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| 14:27.29 | ghost75 | maybe its problem with initrd |
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| 14:31.26 | petn-randall | ghost75: You're better off installing directly into the VM, then moving the important parts over. |
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| 14:31.56 | ghost75 | too much configured :< |
| 14:32.07 | petn-randall | ghost75: I can thing of a dozen reasons why it doesn't boot, and going through that list won't be fun. |
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| 14:32.31 | petn-randall | ghost75: 1) is the arch the same? You didn't move an amd64 installation into a i386 VM, right? |
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| 14:33.01 | ghost75 | no its an trueimage clone |
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| 14:33.46 | petn-randall | 2) in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf, was any else than MODULES=most set? If it was different from that, it won't boot on other machines. |
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| 14:34.07 | ghost75 | yes i was already thinking about initram problem |
| 14:34.25 | petn-randall | ghost75: Wait, how far do you get with booting? |
| 14:34.43 | tXambe | Hi, |
| 14:34.52 | ghost75 | normally it chainloads from grub to grub2 and it halts after grub |
| 14:35.22 | petn-randall | ghost75: murgs, why that? |
| 14:35.48 | ghost75 | this machine has lots of history |
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| 14:37.12 | petn-randall | ghost75: So grub2 doesn't even start up? What's the exact error message you get? |
| 14:37.35 | ghost75 | i am now cloning it to scsi again, takes around 10min |
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| 14:38.28 | ghost75 | but it was so fast i didnt see any error |
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| 14:38.50 | tXambe | Someone has a laptop ASUS X52J with squezee ? |
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| 14:39.39 | petn-randall | tXambe: Doing a survey? If not, it's better to simply ask a question about your problem :) |
| 14:39.54 | fairway | is jessie already setup? |
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| 14:40.19 | abrotman | no |
| 14:40.23 | petn-randall | fairway: not before wheezy gets released. |
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| 14:40.42 | fairway | uhmm ok :) |
| 14:40.51 | fairway | but wheezy should be out soon no? |
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| 14:41.56 | ghost75 | is ready when its done :) |
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| 14:43.00 | tXambe | Is not survey, I just is not working properly the touch-pad, in the case anyone has my same model and it works you can tell me as it has solved. |
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| 14:43.51 | tXambe | But I don't disturb |
| 14:44.01 | tXambe | I search in google again |
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| 14:46.59 | mtn | tXambe: it is not disturbing the channel, it just isn't asking a good question. ask a full question and give details and maybe someone can help |
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| 14:47.25 | tXambe | OK thanks |
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| 14:54.49 | Woet | proxmox is very unstable, do you guys recommend any other debian + (web) management for kvm vps hosting? |
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| 15:01.09 | ghost75 | Woet: why unstable? |
| 15:01.28 | Woet | well, if I give a VM more than 1 core it won't boot the debian installer (inside that VM) |
| 15:01.32 | Woet | windows has constant BSODs |
| 15:01.37 | Woet | proxmox itself has a kernel panic every few days |
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| 15:03.02 | petn-randall | Woet: Wait, proxmox has commercial support and isn't even in Debian, right? |
| 15:03.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:03.12 | Woet | petn-randall: proxmox is based upon debian |
| 15:03.19 | Woet | and it has commercial support + community support |
| 15:03.34 | petn-randall | I love this macro |
| 15:03.37 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 15:03.38 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:03.47 | Woet | that's why I'm not asking for proxmox support.. |
| 15:03.49 | Woet | [16:54:49] <Woet> proxmox is very unstable, do you guys recommend any other debian + (web) management for kvm vps hosting? |
| 15:05.00 | petn-randall | Woet: I've used plain KVM without any problems, no idea about web interfaces, though. |
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| 15:05.26 | Woet | petn-randall: that's the issue, the people who will use it need an interface :) |
| 15:05.42 | petn-randall | Woet: Amazon Web Services? |
| 15:05.47 | petn-randall | :/ |
| 15:05.50 | Woet | errm |
| 15:05.51 | Woet | what? |
| 15:05.58 | Woet | that won't be hosted on my server |
| 15:06.02 | petn-randall | wasn't fully serious |
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| 15:06.41 | ghost75 | why u give vm more than 1 core? |
| 15:07.09 | Woet | .. |
| 15:07.12 | Woet | seriously? |
| 15:07.28 | ghost75 | and why do nested vm :) |
| 15:07.44 | abrotman | Woet: a webinterface? |
| 15:07.50 | Woet | ghost75: what are you talking about? |
| 15:08.07 | Woet | proxmox crashes when I create a vm with more than 1 core |
| 15:08.10 | Woet | abrotman: yes |
| 15:08.26 | ghost75 | ah ok |
| 15:08.32 | petn-randall | ghost75: It's totally legit to give a VM more than 1 core ... |
| 15:08.37 | abrotman | Woet: did you try asking the various virtualization channels for xen/kvm,etc ? |
| 15:08.51 | Woet | abrotman: not yet, would be better I suppoe |
| 15:08.53 | Woet | abrotman: not yet, would be better I suppose |
| 15:09.02 | ghost75 | i only know in esx its not so good to give vm more than 1 cpu |
| 15:09.17 | abrotman | Woet: i don't see anything on a casual search, i suspect wikipedia might have some suggestionss |
| 15:09.24 | abrotman | ghost75: that's utterly false |
| 15:09.28 | abrotman | completely |
| 15:09.36 | petn-randall | ghost75: Doesn't sound like a virtualization framework I'd trust my VMs to, then. |
| 15:09.43 | abrotman | petn-randall: he's making shit up |
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| 15:11.09 | ghost75 | in the past it was recommended to give only 1 cpu to esx guests |
| 15:11.19 | abrotman | never |
| 15:11.47 | abrotman | perhaps you misunderstood the recommendation |
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| 15:11.55 | ghost75 | no |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:12.18 | abrotman | ghost75: go ask #vmware for some documentation to back this up |
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| 15:16.40 | ghost75 | abrotman: it could be a problem if you give more vcpus than u have physical cpu |
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| 15:19.18 | abrotman | ghost75: that's not what you said |
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| 15:19.52 | ghost75 | not directly yes |
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| 15:20.15 | ghost75 | just not to give more than actually needed |
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| 15:21.24 | abrotman | ghost75: you said you should not give more than one CPU to a VM, which is false |
| 15:21.54 | ghost75 | yes :) |
| 15:22.37 | ghost75 | and i didnt mention under which condition |
| 15:22.59 | abrotman | and there are more considerations you left out |
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| 15:30.40 | txomon | hi, can someone help me with a blocking problem of the system on startup? |
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| 15:31.24 | txomon | I have a debian wheezy, and each time I power on/resume it, I have to wait for 10 minutes till the system gets usabe |
| 15:31.28 | txomon | usable* |
| 15:31.56 | petn-randall | txomon: you you mean hibernate or suspend? |
| 15:32.00 | petn-randall | *do |
| 15:32.20 | txomon | top shows chromium-browser taking 120% of CPU, but if I close it, other processes take the place, and result is the same |
| 15:32.46 | txomon | petn-randall, on normal boot and in suspend, I have pm-hibernate disabled |
| 15:33.05 | txomon | now, for example, popularity-cont is taking 100% of cpu |
| 15:34.46 | txomon | how may I diagnose this? I never faced a problem like this before... |
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| 15:35.50 | petn-randall | txomon: And this happens on a normal boot? Which release of Debian are you using, which kernel is this? |
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| 15:36.40 | txomon | petn-randall, wheezy on 3.2.0-4 |
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| 15:37.17 | nullpost | Hello. I am planning to install debian on my laptop. Downloaded the ISO. I want to dual boot with windows 8. Will I be able to do it by writing the Linux boot information to the mbr? |
| 15:37.32 | txomon | nullpost, yes |
| 15:37.46 | nullpost | txomon: thanks |
| 15:37.49 | txomon | grub2 recognises winows too |
| 15:37.53 | txomon | windows* |
| 15:38.02 | nullpost | my wifi card is not recognised :( |
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| 15:38.17 | txomon | nullpost, I am sure it is recognished but not accepted |
| 15:38.29 | petn-randall | nullpost: At this point I recommend installing Debian Wheezy. Note that installing on an UEFI machine and GPT has a few caveats, though. |
| 15:38.34 | nullpost | it needs some non-free wifi drivers. so i am not sure how to install |
| 15:38.36 | txomon | did you check for the card in the debian wiki? Are you using realtek, etc? |
| 15:39.03 | txomon | nullpost, you should check the debian wiki. Pretty well documented |
| 15:39.04 | nullpost | petn-randall: not sure whether my laptop is a uefi/gpt |
| 15:39.12 | nullpost | it is a lenovo thinkpad x230 |
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| 15:39.21 | petn-randall | nullpost: you want firmware-linux-nonfree for the wifi |
| 15:39.47 | nullpost | petn-randall: but i can only install that after i have configured networking via ethernet, right? |
| 15:40.00 | petn-randall | nullpost: Then you're mirroring my laptop :) |
| 15:40.13 | nullpost | petn-randall: you have the same one? the x230? |
| 15:40.14 | petn-randall | nullpost: x230 with win8 + wheezy |
| 15:40.33 | nullpost | petn-randall: oh. so it works fine, right? |
| 15:40.47 | petn-randall | nullpost: works great :) |
| 15:40.48 | nullpost | i stuck in a new msata. will install to that :) |
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| 15:41.17 | nullpost | petn-randall: what about the wifi drivers? how do you install them? |
| 15:41.22 | txomon | petn-randall, any idea on my problem? Or how to diagnose them? |
| 15:41.28 | petn-randall | nullpost: Make sure to set it to "UEFI only" when you install. That'll save you a lot of trouble I ran into. |
| 15:41.35 | txomon | nullpost, you can provide them in boot time.. |
| 15:41.37 | recon_lap | hi, trying Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 to get a firewall to setup on boot, but dont seem to be working, I added a "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 62 Mar 31 16:07 iptables" to /etc/network/if-pre-up.d but it not running an bootup? any suggestions? |
| 15:41.44 | nullpost | petn-randall: set what to "uefi only"? |
| 15:41.52 | nullpost | and where? |
| 15:42.14 | petn-randall | nullpost: Enter the BIOS menu at the beginning, it's somewhere there in the menus. |
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| 15:42.23 | nullpost | hmm, okay |
| 15:42.38 | nullpost | as it is, i was planning to install from a sd card ... from my camera |
| 15:42.48 | nullpost | now i have to find a usb stick to put the drivers onto |
| 15:43.06 | petn-randall | nullpost: the x230 ships with an UEFI bios, which can boot your system in UEFI mode (recommended), or several others stages of backwards compatability, which in this case just cause trouble. |
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| 15:43.33 | nullpost | okay. i will do that after i copy the iso onto the sd card first |
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| 15:43.46 | petn-randall | nullpost: Either use a cable for the initial install (I recommend that), or you can find ISOs that already come with the firmware. |
| 15:43.48 | nullpost | downloading unetbootin first |
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| 15:44.24 | petn-randall | txomon: Sounds like a strange problem. Do you have any error messages in /var/log/kern.log? What machine is this on? |
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| 15:45.18 | petn-randall | recon_lap: might not be the best idea, since that'll run every time you bring an interface up. |
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| 15:46.29 | txomon | petn-randall, no errors, this is a i5 hp probook 6550b |
| 15:47.27 | recon_lap | petn-randall: don't seem to be running at all atm. |
| 15:47.40 | petn-randall | txomon: Do those CPU spikes go away after some time? |
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| 15:47.48 | txomon | petn-randall, usually do |
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| 15:48.00 | txomon | but they have been for a long time there |
| 15:48.00 | petn-randall | recon_lap: paste the script to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:50.39 | recon_lap | petn-randall: just this http://paste.debian.net/246190/ , and the script works when i run it from cli |
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| 15:51.21 | nullpost | thanks, petn-randall .. i will change the bios stuff and then attempt to install |
| 15:51.30 | recon_lap | petn-randall: following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 15:53.31 | petn-randall | recon_lap: if logged in locally, do an 'ifdown eth0', then 'ifup -v eth0' to see what gets started. |
| 15:53.43 | petn-randall | recon_lap: assuming the interface is eth0. |
| 15:53.57 | recon_lap | sorry, remote server |
| 15:54.07 | petn-randall | recon_lap: Are you using network-manager or /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:54.57 | recon_lap | petn-randall: not sure? , it's a clean install with no GUI |
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| 15:56.09 | petn-randall | recon_lap: is the interface listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:56.20 | petn-randall | recon_lap: paste that output, too, might be useful. |
| 15:56.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I wanna use SELinux on ReiserFS. Help |
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| 15:59.01 | lulzfish_4 | I'm dual-booting Windows XP and Debian testing. When I'm in Debian for a while, my fans speed up even though the computer isn't under any load, and eventually they run at full speed indefinitely. |
| 15:59.16 | lulzfish_4 | This hasn't happened with any other distros I remember trying |
| 15:59.25 | ghost75 | somebody wrote anything in last 10min? my av blocked irc |
| 15:59.34 | recon_lap | petn-randall: contents of /etc/network/interfaces -> http://paste.debian.net/246192/ |
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| 16:00.48 | ghost75 | if i change partition type from fd to 83, will this "remove" raid ? |
| 16:00.52 | recon_lap | lulzfish_4: remember reading about a bug in ubuntu about fans on some laptops, was quite a while ago though |
| 16:01.34 | petn-randall | ghost75: No. |
| 16:02.06 | wctaiwan | I'm trying to configure ldap with debian. I made the homeDirectory attribute of a user readable only to the user and the LDAP admin. However by doing so the user doesn't seem to be able to cd to ~ at login time, even though I *can* see the attribute by binding to the dn of the user when using ldapsearch. What may be the issue? |
| 16:02.27 | ghost75 | can mount the partition externally but not boot from it |
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| 16:03.18 | petn-randall | lulzfish_4: If your laptop exposes the fan control to the OS, you might want to try the package fancontrol. |
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| 16:04.27 | lulzfish_4 | petn-randall: Seems I already have fancontrol installed |
| 16:04.28 | petn-randall | recon_lap: I don't know the answer to the problem, but you can try this: move your script to somewhere else, then add the line 'up /path/to/script' to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:04.36 | petn-randall | lulzfish_4: You need to configure it. |
| 16:05.27 | recon_lap | petn-randall: think 'allow-hotplug eth0' might be the issue |
| 16:06.15 | petn-randall | recon_lap: why do you think so? |
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| 16:07.00 | lulzfish_4 | petn-randall: I read the manpage and it said to try pwmconfig. Pwmconfig says I have no PWM sensors |
| 16:07.45 | petn-randall | lulzfish_4: Then your laptop doesn't support PWM, at least not that kernel version. |
| 16:08.15 | petn-randall | lulzfish_4: can it be that it's the GPU fan and you have an AMD or nvidia chipset? |
| 16:08.46 | lulzfish_4 | petn-randall: I suppose that's possible. I'm using nouveau, usually I use nvidia but it messes up the font sizes |
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| 16:09.24 | lulzfish_4 | I think this laptop has two main fans, I don't think either is a GPU fan. I'm not sure exactly how it works |
| 16:09.46 | recon_lap | petn-randall: well, there is no 'auto eth0', might be the issue |
| 16:10.20 | petn-randall | recon_lap: auto eth0 just says 'bring it up'. allow-hotplug says 'bring it up if it exists'. |
| 16:11.11 | petn-randall | recon_lap: Which is more convenient if you're e.g. swapping faulty network cards |
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| 16:14.38 | m0ksha | hi i can't mount an nfs share from another machine on my lan. i set up the config file /etc/exports and ran exportfs -a but the client just hangs. any help appreciated thanks! |
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| 16:20.34 | Artpicre | a |
| 16:21.20 | KsM | b |
| 16:21.33 | Artpicre | Fail sorry x) |
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| 16:27.15 | phnet | m0ksha: have a look at these pages:http://wiki.debian.org/NFSTroubleshooting and http://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup (last section) |
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| 16:27.44 | m0ksha | thanks |
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| 16:28.29 | recon_lap | crap, locked out of VPS again !!!!! |
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| 16:31.49 | lulzfish_4 | Okay I'm using nvidia and my fans are running normally however some fonts are way too big |
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| 16:34.29 | lulzfish_4 | Also when I use gpointing-device-settings, although the GUI remembers my settings between restarts, they aren't actually applied to the device unless I uncheck and recheck them |
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| 16:37.56 | Egon83 | hello |
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| 16:38.33 | Egon83 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:41.02 | theseb | If I want a SECOND chroot jail....can I simply copy it with "cp -R oldchroot newchroot"? |
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| 16:43.06 | lulzfish_4 | Okay I changed xorg.conf so Nvidia is forced to 96 DPI and the fonts seem to look good now |
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| 16:43.13 | phnet | Egon83: 'Simple file Transfer Protocol' or 'SSH File Transfer Protocol'? |
| 16:43.22 | petn-randall | theseb: cp -a, but yes. |
| 16:43.38 | Egon83 | SSH File Transfer |
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| 16:44.18 | theseb | petn-randall: is that the best way to manage a server that needs to make lots of safe directories for new users all the time? |
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| 16:44.41 | theseb | petn-randall: THANKS! (btw!) :) |
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| 16:45.17 | petn-randall | theseb: What do you mean specifically? chroots only make sense security-wise in very specific cases. |
| 16:45.23 | phnet | Egon83: works over SSH (aka. Default Port 22) as you said..should be similar... |
| 16:45.51 | Egon83 | phnet thats correct |
| 16:45.57 | theseb | petn-randall: i want to *grade* python scripts for a class on a server....students log in and the grading server runs their scripts sometimes to check functionality |
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| 16:48.54 | petn-randall | theseb: Ah, I see. I'd use cowdancer for that. It'll set up a chroot that'll discard any changes after logging out. |
| 16:49.09 | petn-randall | theseb: That way you'll save the time of copying over your chroot every time. |
| 16:49.46 | petn-randall | theseb: I guess that'll suffice to shield against any "malicious" scripts from pupils. ;) |
| 16:50.25 | theseb | petn-randall: interesting..thanks..ever heard of tmpfs? is cowdancer better for this? |
| 16:50.42 | theseb | petn-randall: i love these names....who ever thought up "cowdancer" :) |
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| 16:51.00 | theseb | petn-randall: even more impressive is that you know all this stuff :) |
| 16:51.23 | petn-randall | theseb: it's my every day bread and butter. I'm glad to help :) |
| 16:52.07 | theseb | petn-randall: funny how everyone has a different strength....mine is physics....if you have any math/physics questions you'll notice i can help you :) |
| 16:52.21 | petn-randall | theseb: COW is short for copy-on-write, but like with all acronyms they develop there own life of its own with time. |
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| 16:53.21 | petn-randall | s/there/their/ damnit |
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| 16:55.09 | petn-randall | theseb: Install the package, the documention is quite verbose IIRC (in /usr/share/docs/cowdancer, and the man page), if you run into any problems, just ask here again. |
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| 16:55.41 | recon_lap | found the problem , script should start with "#! /bin/sh" and not "#!/bin/bash" |
| 16:55.57 | theseb | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 16:56.47 | petn-randall | recon_lap: There shouldn't be a space after the !. |
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| 16:58.33 | recon_lap | petn-randall: might just be an ubuntu thing I was reading |
| 17:00.17 | abrotman | hopefully not |
| 17:00.23 | petn-randall | recon_lap: Also, it should only be a problem the other way round (if you use /bin/sh, but have bashisms in your script.) |
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| 17:02.44 | recon_lap | petn-randall: well, it works with "#!/bin/sh" (with or without the space) but not with "#!/bin/bash" . but you never know for sure with these things without checking. think i'll check :) |
| 17:03.36 | petn-randall | recon_lap: Might be worth a shot: Do you have bash installed? |
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| 17:04.36 | bzrk | hi all, anyone currently experiencing problems installing testing? for me the busybox package cannot be authenticated on base install step |
| 17:05.31 | recon_lap | petn-randall: feck, they all work now. dont know what changed |
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| 17:06.06 | petn-randall | recon_lap: Maybe you used a strange editor the first time you edited the file? |
| 17:06.15 | recon_lap | nano ? |
| 17:06.29 | petn-randall | recon_lap: As in, having a leading BOM mark, or something. |
| 17:06.48 | petn-randall | recon_lap: doesn't count as strange. Maybe you had a typo somewhere, no idea :/ |
| 17:06.59 | abrotman | bzrk: using which installer? |
| 17:07.11 | recon_lap | petn-randall: maybe , well it works now. would be nice to know what went wrong. |
| 17:07.22 | bzrk | abrotman: pxe boot with expert installer |
| 17:07.37 | bzrk | network install |
| 17:07.47 | recon_lap | petn-randall: could have been a typo , but moving on :) |
| 17:08.11 | recon_lap | to making some food |
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| 17:08.39 | petn-randall | recon_lap: bon appetit :) |
| 17:08.57 | bzrk | abrotman: heres the installer log if you are interested http://pastebin.com/9dNCRjpp |
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| 17:09.33 | abrotman | bzrk: which version? |
| 17:09.43 | abrotman | bzrk: they were having that problem a few months ago. |
| 17:09.45 | bzrk | abrotman: wheezy/testing |
| 17:09.59 | abrotman | bzrk: yes .. i got that part |
| 17:10.04 | abrotman | what's the *date* on the installer ISO? |
| 17:10.14 | bzrk | abrotman: ah ok then i misunderstood |
| 17:10.27 | bzrk | abrotman: a few months ago might just be the age |
| 17:10.37 | bzrk | i will get the newest and try again |
| 17:10.39 | bzrk | thanks |
| 17:10.40 | abrotman | bzrk: yeah, no .. get the newest, thanks |
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| 17:14.05 | ghost75 | when i have md raid, is it really a difference when making dd from /dev/sda1 rather than /dev/md0 ? |
| 17:14.38 | petn-randall | ghost75: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:14.48 | petn-randall | ghost75: Yes, there's a big difference. |
| 17:15.00 | ghost75 | still want to move that physical machine with software raid to non raid |
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| 17:15.37 | petn-randall | ghost75: RAID0/1/2/3/4/5/6/10? |
| 17:15.44 | ghost75 | 1 |
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| 17:16.26 | ghost75 | as i restored before with trueimage i think something went wrong with raid superblock |
| 17:16.40 | petn-randall | ghost75: if /dev/sda1 is part of the RAID1 that makes up /dev/md0, then it will contain the meta data blocks that define the RAID1. |
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| 17:17.03 | petn-randall | ghost75: You probably don't want to copy that over, unless you want to make a new RAID1 out of it. |
| 17:17.47 | ghost75 | then i would be smarter to dd /dev/sda instead of /dev/md if i dont need raid, right? |
| 17:18.44 | petn-randall | ghost75: /dev/sda contains your partition table and the data of /dev/sda1, no. |
| 17:19.01 | petn-randall | ghost75: Why not just copy your data from /dev/md0? |
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| 17:19.19 | petn-randall | ghost75: Even better, just make a new filesystem and rsync all the old data onto the new one. |
| 17:19.50 | petn-randall | ghost75: No need to copy it block by block, you'll copy over unused blocks, too, resulting in longer copying times. |
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| 17:20.39 | ghost75 | so why not copy sdX |
| 17:21.35 | petn-randall | ghost75: Did you read the first line I just wrote? |
| 17:21.51 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: isn't raid a different partition type then regular as well? i was sitting here thinking cp might be better, but your rsync comment is a much better suggestion then that. |
| 17:21.58 | ghost75 | yes but whats the problem |
| 17:22.19 | petn-randall | ghost75: /dev/sda isn't the data you want! |
| 17:22.50 | ghost75 | /dev/sda1 should be |
| 17:23.17 | petn-randall | ghost75: No, it doesn't. It contains the RAID meta data. |
| 17:23.27 | petn-randall | ghost75: /dev/md0 is still exactly the data you want. |
| 17:23.55 | petn-randall | ghost75: Though you'll be wasting your time copying all unused blocks over, too. |
| 17:24.10 | ghost75 | if would be raid0 or 5 i would understand, but at level 1 ? |
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| 17:24.49 | bzrk | abrotman: newest installer fixed it, thanks again |
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| 17:25.21 | petn-randall | ghost75: Ok, let's recap: You want to copy data from a RAID1 onto a single drive, right? |
| 17:26.02 | ghost75 | yes |
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| 17:27.37 | petn-randall | ghost75: So, the data you want is on /dev/md0. /dev/sda1 contains a bootloader, a partition table, a RAID partition, and on that the data you want. Which one do you choose, and why? |
| 17:28.27 | ghost75 | i dont know, u explain |
| 17:28.54 | petn-randall | ghost75: I already did, but you refuse to read it and ask questions not related to what I said. |
| 17:29.10 | ghost75 | so sda1 contains more than md0 u say |
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| 17:29.13 | petn-randall | s/and ask/and you ask/ |
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| 17:29.51 | petn-randall | ghost75: Right, twice. |
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| 17:30.08 | ghost75 | ok |
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| 17:30.30 | ghost75 | so rsync md0 |
| 17:30.48 | ghost75 | and copy mbr with dd ? |
| 17:31.21 | petn-randall | zykotick9: Yes, and it you can't simply mount a RAID partition directly, since it contains the meta data. You'd need to bring it up via mdadm and then mount the filesystem coming out on the other side. |
| 17:31.47 | petn-randall | ghost75: No, you'll have to partition the new drive by hand. |
| 17:32.07 | petn-randall | ghost75: and also install the bootloader after copying it. |
| 17:32.51 | ghost75 | not sure if i can handle grub2 |
| 17:32.53 | petn-randall | ghost75: and also install the bootloader after copying your data. |
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| 17:33.25 | petn-randall | ghost75: Using dd to copy the bootloader won't get you a booting system, since you're moving from RAID1 to plain partitions. |
| 17:33.41 | petn-randall | ghost75: In short, you won't get around installing grub after moving your data. |
| 17:33.58 | ghost75 | so dd the first 446 bytes wont help |
| 17:34.07 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 17:35.22 | petn-randall | ghost75: again, it won't. |
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| 17:36.46 | ghost75 | can i rsync a live mounted root or do i need to start linux from cd or something? |
| 17:37.29 | petn-randall | ghost75: I'd do it from a live CD. |
| 17:39.43 | Stameni | how to find out free space left on entire debian part of the disk ( using terminal ) ? |
| 17:39.57 | petn-randall | Stameni: df -h |
| 17:40.10 | Stameni | petn-randall, tnx |
| 17:40.45 | Stameni | petn-randall, |
| 17:40.46 | Stameni | tmpfs 397M 828K 396M 1% /r |
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| 17:40.53 | Stameni | can i get rid of that ? |
| 17:41.39 | abrotman | no |
| 17:41.47 | abrotman | nor should you want to |
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| 17:42.02 | Stameni | abrotman, ok, i`m just curious |
| 17:43.02 | Stameni | oo, i get it, 397 available and just 929 k used |
| 17:43.06 | Stameni | 828 |
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| 17:44.45 | petn-randall | Stameni: all filesystems starting with /dev and /run are in RAM, so you can ignore them if you're looking for space on your disk. |
| 17:45.11 | ghost75 | but with livecd i just mount /dev/sda1 right? |
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| 17:47.20 | petn-randall | ghost75: You don't understand RAID. You CAN'T mount /dev/sda1 directly, it's an element of a RAID array. |
| 17:47.34 | Stameni | petn-randall, i found out that there is python3-matplotlib in experimental, so, if its in experimental will it eventualy move to wheezy ? any time soon |
| 17:47.41 | petn-randall | ghost75: You won't be able to get to your data without RAID1. |
| 17:48.08 | ghost75 | but how to mount /dev/mdX devices on livecd ? |
| 17:48.19 | petn-randall | Stameni: No, wheezy is frozen, no new packages will go in there, just RC bugfixes for the remaining ~50 bugs. |
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| 17:49.11 | petn-randall | Stameni: It will eventually show up in the next testing, I guess. |
| 17:49.27 | Stameni | petn-randall, its a shame 'cause matplotlib 1.2 is the first relese to support python3... |
| 17:49.48 | petn-randall | Stameni: if you really need it, you can backport it yourself by hand. |
| 17:49.50 | Stameni | but i can just add experimental repo to the list ? no damage done ? |
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| 17:50.48 | Stameni | or it will update all packages i have installed to the versions in experimental ? |
| 17:51.14 | petn-randall | ghost75: Do us and yourself a favour, and read the man page of mdadm and related man pages. It'll help you a lot on the long run. |
| 17:51.43 | petn-randall | ghost75: Because if something goes wrong what you're doing right now, we'll spend lots of time debugging it otherwise. |
| 17:52.10 | ghost75 | i suppose livecd doesnt see any md devices |
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| 17:52.59 | petn-randall | Stameni: experimental is pinned at 1 (see man apt_preferences for details). So you could add the experimental repos, and install that single package. |
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| 17:53.47 | petn-randall | Stameni: However, watch out that you don't mix any more packages, or you might end up with a broken system. |
| 17:54.13 | Stameni | petn-randall, ok, tnx |
| 17:54.37 | petn-randall | Stameni: As a rule of thumb, you shouldn't upgrade things to experimental that other stable packages depend on. |
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| 17:54.53 | Stameni | petn-randall, i really need matplotlib |
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| 17:56.01 | Stameni | it would make my life much more easier as i will be able to use ipython3 with plotting ability |
| 17:56.43 | petn-randall | Stameni: go ahead, this package should be fairly save to install, but keep the warning in mind when installing other packages. |
| 17:57.11 | petn-randall | Stameni: Also, to make it safe, it's probably best to remove experimental again from our sources.list after doing that. |
| 17:57.29 | Stameni | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.44 | petn-randall | Stameni: it will, yes. |
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| 18:06.54 | Stameni | petn-randall, it works, i have had to upgrade one more package that python3-matplotlib depends on and thats it. Thank you for the tips |
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| 18:18.09 | abrotman | mmnicolas: LCD screen? tried turning the brightness down? |
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| 18:32.27 | wolfmitchell | What package is mkisofs in on wheezy? |
| 18:33.04 | bazhang | genisoimage ? |
| 18:33.04 | petn-randall | wolfmitchell: apt-file or packages.debian.org will tell you this. |
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| 18:33.32 | wolfmitchell | petn-randall, mmk |
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| 18:33.46 | wolfmitchell | bazhang, installed it already and no lucj |
| 18:33.49 | wolfmitchell | *luck |
| 18:34.22 | saedelaere | I try to force a file system check on / with touch /forcefsck and reboot |
| 18:34.46 | saedelaere | this is a virtual server running debian squeeze and I only have ssh access |
| 18:34.53 | jelly-home | wolfmitchell: genisoimage is a fork of mkisofs, does exactly the same thing |
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| 18:35.12 | saedelaere | so I can connect after the reboot sequence, where do I find the output of the fsck? |
| 18:35.18 | wolfmitchell | jelly, are the arguments interchangable? |
| 18:35.21 | saedelaere | does it log to a file? |
| 18:35.23 | wolfmitchell | erm |
| 18:35.23 | jelly-home | wolfmitchell: indeed |
| 18:35.25 | wolfmitchell | compatable |
| 18:35.27 | wolfmitchell | mmk |
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| 18:36.32 | jelly-home | the reason there's no /usr/bin/mkisofs symlink is the original author has... complex interpretations of licensing issues |
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| 18:39.44 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Oh right, Jörg Schilling, I remember the story. |
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| 18:41.26 | ghost75 | petn-randall: on livecd mdadm --assemble --scan ? |
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| 18:48.31 | bublik | if i want to remove xfce4 after i tried it is the correct command apt-get autoremove xfce4? |
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| 18:55.59 | babilen | bublik: No, you want "apt-get purge xfce4" followed by "apt-get --purge autoremove" -- The former removes the actual package and the latter all those that have been automatically installed and are no longer needed. (because you just removed the package that depended on it) |
| 18:57.01 | bublik | babilen: what if i already used autoremove :( would it mess anything up? im currently running cinnamon and everything seems to be working |
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| 19:05.43 | Nothing4You | i'm trying to set up my IP addresses on my fresh installed server |
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| 19:06.30 | Nothing4You | my /etc/network/interfaces looks like this: http://ix.io/4Y8 , ifconfig returns http://ix.io/4Y7 (yes, i rebooted already) |
| 19:06.42 | Nothing4You | it doesn't seem to use the addidional IPs |
| 19:07.11 | Nothing4You | pinging my additional IPv4 addresses works, IPv6 don't |
| 19:08.21 | Nothing4You | I can ping outside IPv6 hosts by pinging their IP (e.g. google at 2a00:1450:4001:c02::65), pinging my main IPv6 address works, the additional ones don't |
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| 19:09.38 | Dagger2 | you have the wrong netmask for them, for one |
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| 19:10.48 | Dagger2 | also note that you don't have to specify -6, it'll quite happily detect that from the addresses |
| 19:12.45 | Nothing4You | where is the netmask wrong? |
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| 19:13.07 | Nothing4You | i'll remove the -6 then, sounds good |
| 19:14.42 | cooldude | hi guys, i have a bit of an emergency here, i have a home server with Debian ofc, and i had something crontabed to perform a @reboot command to start some proccess's and last night i made a severe mistake on my workings on a small little sh script to start a python script, and i somehow managed to make it screwed up and the sh script is somehow starting up a lot of python instances, and now |
| 19:14.42 | cooldude | when i try to boot my home server, it is getting stuck on " Starting cron and dbus ", how can i manage to get into my home server now? |
| 19:14.55 | Dagger2 | /32 in the up/down lines, /64 in the netmask line |
| 19:15.14 | Dagger2 | almost certainly it should be /64 everywhere (because a /32 is lolhueg) |
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| 19:16.14 | Nothing4You | as far as i can see every up/down line has /32 |
| 19:16.46 | Nothing4You | and netmask is 64 |
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| 19:18.10 | rryoumaa | cooldude: debian live? |
| 19:18.20 | cooldude | rryoumaa, a debian live cd? |
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| 19:20.45 | Dagger2 | Nothing4You: yeah, I see that too. fix the up/down lines :p |
| 19:20.53 | Nothing4You | to /64? |
| 19:21.10 | Dagger2 | assuming that's correct (which I guess it is) |
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| 19:21.45 | Nothing4You | k |
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| 19:23.51 | cooldude | yap, there is a " Out of Memory " on a python proccess that cron is doing on bootup of my home server |
| 19:24.08 | cooldude | is looking at my home server's console window |
| 19:24.08 | sdfa | cooldude: kill $(pidof python)? |
| 19:24.23 | cooldude | s0d0, i can do that on bootup? |
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| 19:25.25 | cooldude | err |
| 19:25.33 | cooldude | sdfa, i can do that on bootup? |
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| 19:27.17 | Nothing4You | Dagger2: like this? http://ix.io/4Y9 |
| 19:27.30 | zykotick9 | cooldude: can you start recovery successfully? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
| 19:27.58 | cooldude | zykotick9, i have the LILO bootloader |
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| 19:28.27 | zykotick9 | cooldude: i see, good luck. haven't used lilo in years, even grub-legacy i've forgotten ;) |
| 19:28.28 | peterrooney | wonders what decade it is |
| 19:28.31 | Dagger2 | Nothing4You: that looks better. does it improve things, though? |
| 19:28.40 | Nothing4You | doesn't help |
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| 19:28.49 | Nothing4You | no additional ipv6 addresses are added after rebooting |
| 19:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | cooldude: well, what process is it |
| 19:29.06 | Nothing4You | i just tried `ip addr add 2a01:4f8:xx:xx::3/64 dev eth0` manually |
| 19:29.10 | Nothing4You | it worked adding the IP |
| 19:29.14 | Nothing4You | and i could ping it |
| 19:29.22 | cooldude | CutMeOwnThroat, it is a python script being ran from a run.sh script |
| 19:29.39 | _Danilo_ | hi |
| 19:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... custom-made from you? |
| 19:29.45 | Nothing4You | so i guess it's failing interpreting /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:29.57 | cooldude | technically yes CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 19:30.24 | _Danilo_ | #debian-ipv6 on irc.debian.org :) |
| 19:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | sooo.... don't let it try to read half of the disk into memory? :) |
| 19:31.04 | cooldude | CutMeOwnThroat, problem is that the python proccess being ran from a sh script is forked into a crontab @reboot command |
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| 19:31.13 | cooldude | and i borked up that sh script CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:31.33 | cooldude | zykotick9, i tried to install GRUB on that box from a netinstall, but i couldn't installed it, so i tried lilo, and it worked |
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| 19:32.52 | Stameni | how complicated is to install nvidia drivers in debian wheezy ? |
| 19:33.00 | Stameni | fot gt 430 if it matter |
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| 19:33.29 | _Danilo_ | Stameni: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 19:33.52 | Nothing4You | _Danilo_: why don't you just say #debian-ipv6 on OFTC? |
| 19:34.01 | cooldude | CutMeOwnThroat, zykotick9, the sh script is this btw -> http://pastebin.com/aeq3nY87 |
| 19:34.17 | cesurasean | what is the command to search my entire system and grep for an ip address in some code i have? |
| 19:34.17 | zykotick9 | Stameni, careful with the wiki nvidia instructions, you might want to see <nvidia dkms wheezy> |
| 19:34.35 | _Danilo_ | Nothing4You: the official way is irc.debian.org |
| 19:35.03 | Nothing4You | that's just a DNS CNAME |
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| 19:35.45 | cesurasean | anyone? |
| 19:36.04 | abrotman | cesurasean: grep -R "asdf:1234:" / |
| 19:36.25 | Stameni | ok, its complicated, probabbly i shouldnt do anything for now |
| 19:36.42 | abrotman | _Danilo_: many people get confused about irc.debian.org .. no idea why |
| 19:37.17 | _Danilo_ | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 19:37.54 | abrotman | _Danilo_: i'm aware, it's still confusing to some people |
| 19:38.06 | Nothing4You | if you had just told me that it's on oftc i would just have joined the channel there instead of first connecting to irc.debian.org and then seeing it's just oftc and disconnecting there |
| 19:38.42 | Nothing4You | however i found it now so it's not a problem |
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| 19:38.56 | nsh | RichiH, don't do that. |
| 19:39.06 | cesurasean | abrotman, so grep -R "12.34.56.78" / ? |
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| 19:39.24 | abrotman | cesurasean: try it and see? |
| 19:39.25 | cooldude | can someone help me with my problem please? |
| 19:39.37 | nsh | RichiH, belay that, possibly FUN! |
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| 19:40.08 | Dagger2 | Nothing4You: maybe try removing the up/down `ip route add default` lines? |
| 19:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | cooldude: what's the problem then... don't run the script that makes problems at boot? or do you have problems removing it? |
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| 19:40.44 | Dagger2 | the default router is already added with the "gateway" line, so maybe the route command fails because it's a duplicate, so the rest of the lines aren't run |
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| 19:41.36 | cesurasean | abrotman, how would i exclude /var/log/messages from that results? |
| 19:41.54 | _Danilo_ | abrotman, Nothing4You: http://www.debian.org/support#irc |
| 19:41.59 | cesurasean | err, exclude entire /var/log/ dir from the search? |
| 19:42.15 | cesurasean | nevermind. |
| 19:42.18 | cesurasean | eerrrr |
| 19:42.21 | cesurasean | yeah, nevermind. |
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| 19:42.48 | cesurasean | abrotman, thank you good sir! |
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| 19:44.32 | cooldude | CutMeOwnThroat, first i had even had problems remotely connecting into ssh to kill the python script, then ssh server stopped running for me evne trying to kill the broken sh script, and then i tried logging into console and it timed out on me, and now i then did a force reboot on the machine, and it is getting hanged at " Starting periodic commandscheduler: crond. " because cron is issuing |
| 19:44.32 | cooldude | the broken sh script, nad now console is throwing errors of being out of memory to kill the sh script of python |
| 19:44.41 | Nothing4You | Dagger2: the default route is part of what my hoster has in there by default, i guess it's required to get the route to the gateway |
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| 19:45.22 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 19:45.43 | johnfg | Is freenx-client available for any debian releases? |
| 19:45.48 | cooldude | CutMeOwnThroat, i am going to try to reboot and try the rescue approach on boot |
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| 19:45.57 | Dagger2 | Nothing4You: you need a default route, but trying to add the same route a second time will give an error, and it's possible that ifup stops running up lines when one of them errors out |
| 19:46.10 | menace | is there any repository which hosts vim plugins (vimwiki in my case? :>) |
| 19:46.23 | Dagger2 | Nothing4You: you have a "gateway" line, which ifup will use to set the default router, but then you have a separate "up ip route add default..." line that tries to add it a second time |
| 19:46.29 | Nothing4You | ok |
| 19:46.34 | Nothing4You | i removed it and rebooted |
| 19:46.38 | Nothing4You | it's working now |
| 19:46.38 | Nothing4You | thanks |
| 19:47.05 | johnfg | menace: How about vim.org itself? |
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| 19:47.18 | zykotick9 | menace: this page has a link to a 3rd party that packages it http://wiki.debian.org/freenx |
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| 19:47.34 | zykotick9 | johnfg: see above. sorry menace. |
| 19:47.53 | johnfg | zykotick9: Thanks. Was just gonna say that was for me! |
| 19:47.59 | jparkton | regarding Debian torrents. Do I need to download all 27/ish CD iso's? Or is one sufficient? |
| 19:48.16 | Nothing4You | now i have to get IPv6 DNS resolving working |
| 19:48.32 | zykotick9 | jparkton: i'd recommend netinst myself. 1 small cd/usb image. |
| 19:48.32 | nickgaw | Hi, On debian wheezy if I have my authorized keys ssh file with chmod 600 as well as my id_rsa file why am I still prompted for a password when I try to ssh into another system on my local network that has the exact same .ssh directory? |
| 19:48.38 | peterrooney | jparkton: no, no, no. |
| 19:49.33 | jparkton | soooooo wadda I need? |
| 19:49.36 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: did you ssh-copy-id to the remote machine? |
| 19:49.38 | peterrooney | jparkton: the ONLY time you need to do that is if you're expecting to install debian on a remote mountaintop without internet access. |
| 19:49.41 | cooldude | i guess i might have to do a complete reinstall of Linux on this computer then |
| 19:49.43 | cooldude | fuck |
| 19:49.47 | cooldude | didn't want to do it |
| 19:49.52 | jparkton | Im going to attempt a dual partition in win 7 |
| 19:50.01 | zykotick9 | cooldude: just boot a livecd and chroot? |
| 19:50.02 | peterrooney | jparkton: if you have an internet connnection, net install (netinst) |
| 19:50.07 | jparkton | jes |
| 19:50.11 | nickgaw | I used scp and sftp to copy the files over to the .ssh directory |
| 19:50.22 | jparkton | I c |
| 19:50.23 | cooldude | zykotick9, i have a netinstall cd of Debian |
| 19:50.30 | jparkton | so what should I use |
| 19:50.52 | zykotick9 | cooldude: can you run recover from it? or from your regular hd? if not, bet a livecd instead. |
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| 19:51.17 | cooldude | there is no such image of recover zykotick9 |
| 19:51.27 | nickgaw | should I need to restart open_sshd? |
| 19:51.28 | JyZyXEL | how do i stop X from blankin the display after mouse inactivity? |
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| 19:51.53 | jparkton | will the netinst help me set up the dual boot things I need? |
| 19:51.54 | zykotick9 | cooldude: ? i don't have further suggestions. good luck. |
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| 19:52.50 | eth0ghost | Anyone by chance no of a less buggy alternative to synergy? If not, does anyone else use synergy/experience lots of freezing? |
| 19:52.55 | eth0ghost | know* |
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| 19:53.07 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL: be sure any screensaver settings are disabled. you might also want to check out the various xset options regarding dpms. |
| 19:53.13 | cooldude | i am going to have to reinstall Linux on the computer zykotick9 |
| 19:53.33 | JyZyXEL | zykotick9: i've tried the xset dpms commands but they don't seem to have any effect |
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| 19:53.48 | cooldude | i have no other choice zykotick9 |
| 19:54.10 | nickgaw | should all files in .ssh have chmod 600? |
| 19:54.28 | zykotick9 | cooldude: downloading a livecd, and rescuing your current installs seems easier to me... but good luck with whatever you do. |
| 19:55.01 | cooldude | zykotick9, let me ask you this question then.. Is a livecd different to a netinstall cd? |
| 19:55.03 | JyZyXEL | ill try xset dpms 100000000 100000000 100000000 |
| 19:55.13 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: i doubt id_rsa.pub or known_hosts needs to be |
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| 19:55.32 | nickgaw | what about authorized keys? |
| 19:55.37 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL: have you just tried -dpms? |
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| 19:55.44 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 19:55.44 | bluesm | Hi. I know it's not debian, but could you explain me why there is http://i.imgur.com/t4xY9u4.png 5 fields ? |
| 19:55.47 | JyZyXEL | it did not work |
| 19:55.59 | bluesm | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 (six) |
| 19:56.53 | nickgaw | what should the chmod be on id_rsa.pub and the authorized_keys file? |
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| 19:57.15 | cooldude | zykotick9, ooh -> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-rescue.iso |
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| 19:58.08 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: my id_rsa and authorized_keys are -rw------- |
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| 20:00.51 | nickgaw | what are the default permitions for the files to allow passwordless logins to take place? |
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| 20:01.49 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: i'd just use "ssh-copy-id -i id_rsa.pub $USERNAME@$HOST" from ~/.ssh on client to remote machine, and it'll look after all that for you. |
| 20:04.39 | STMelon | bbl |
| 20:06.03 | nickgaw | still prompts me for a password even after it tells me to check to see if other keys exist in the file which I removed before I started the process what else should I try? |
| 20:07.39 | nickgaw | I do have root access to both systems |
| 20:08.07 | JyZyXEL | xset dpms 100000000 100000000 100000000 did not work either |
| 20:08.15 | JyZyXEL | it still shuts down after about 10 minutes |
| 20:08.24 | canolucas | hi. can you help me setuo my network connection? i can't seem to connect to internet. i have eth0 for external ip and eth1 for internal network access from virtualbox guest. here i append my network config: http://pastebin.ca/2346478 |
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| 20:08.45 | canolucas | LAN works fine, but i cant ping google.com, in example |
| 20:09.06 | bluesm | how to check if my partition is primary or not ? |
| 20:09.22 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: (if this works, on remote system) try, "grep PubkeyAuthentication /etc/ssh/sshd_config" does it say "yes"? |
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| 20:09.36 | JyZyXEL | is there a tool that allows to simulate mouse movement? |
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| 20:11.07 | nickgaw | yes it does say yes to the pub key value |
| 20:11.59 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: no further suggestions, best of luck. ps. i'm AFK now. |
| 20:12.17 | nickgaw | would reinstalling open_sshd work? |
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| 20:12.44 | sobersabre | JyZyXEL: are you trying to answer this one: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1140557/automated-gui-testing-of-linux-applications ? |
| 20:13.14 | nickgaw | the file name for authorized keys was commented out I uncommented it. |
| 20:13.15 | JyZyXEL | well i just need something really simple to keep the mouse moving |
| 20:13.35 | sobersabre | JyZyXEL: is a browser involved ? |
| 20:13.41 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 20:14.06 | sobersabre | hm...are you trying to avoid your screen from locking ? :) |
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| 20:15.08 | JyZyXEL | sobersabre: yeah |
| 20:15.16 | JyZyXEL | well not locking but turning off |
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| 20:16.29 | jparkton | When I use the netinst it will let me set up deb alongside my winblows right? |
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| 20:16.58 | abrotman | yes, it will |
| 20:17.02 | abrotman | you should read the install manual |
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| 20:17.18 | sobersabre | JyZyXEL: I think you should play with power management related stuff. |
| 20:17.27 | JyZyXEL | none of it works |
| 20:17.45 | JyZyXEL | i've tried a bunch of different commands and none of them have any effect |
| 20:17.46 | sobersabre | what kind of machine/system are you on? |
| 20:17.51 | jparkton | k |
| 20:18.00 | jparkton | Heh |
| 20:18.04 | jparkton | I totally should |
| 20:18.06 | JyZyXEL | its a debian laptop running Xorg |
| 20:18.16 | sobersabre | which "debian" ? |
| 20:18.25 | JyZyXEL | 6.0.7 |
| 20:18.42 | sobersabre | what graphics card does it have ? |
| 20:18.50 | JyZyXEL | nvidia with the nvidias driver |
| 20:19.08 | JyZyXEL | from debian repos |
| 20:19.11 | sobersabre | there are multitude of nvidia drivers... which version ? |
| 20:19.22 | sobersabre | s/are/is a/ |
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| 20:19.58 | JyZyXEL | i installed a fairly recent one, 304.64-4 |
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| 20:21.05 | sobersabre | did you install your system _properly_ (that is at least /home is a separate partition) ? |
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| 20:22.25 | JyZyXEL | nope |
| 20:22.38 | lord_rob | it's still doable |
| 20:22.55 | lord_rob | even if a bit more complicated |
| 20:23.13 | JyZyXEL | everything in the same filesystem works just great |
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| 20:24.20 | lord_rob | sure but the problem with that is that if you have a crash or you change your system for any reason you're safer with a separate /home |
| 20:24.25 | Nothing4You | for some reason i can ping6 ipv6.google.com. but i can't ping6 google.com. |
| 20:24.29 | sobersabre | JyZyXEL: are you sure your bios is with non-disabled Power management features (or you don't override your pm with some boot option) |
| 20:24.33 | sobersabre | ? |
| 20:25.20 | sobersabre | (Basically, if bios is ok, and you don't shut down kernel pm stuff, I'd give newer system a try. but this is more painful with "everything working just great in the same filesystem" :) |
| 20:26.37 | sobersabre | what say you, JyZyXEL ? |
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| 20:27.19 | JyZyXEL | im sure all the power management is enabled in the bios and i don't have any power management related boot parameters |
| 20:28.18 | JyZyXEL | same issue also appears on debian sid |
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| 20:28.49 | mortai | Just how Unstable is Sid? Is it more stable than Arch by a long shot? |
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| 20:31.16 | sobersabre | mortai: IMHO the main issue with stability is that you need to have your hands and eyes on the pulse of it. that is with stable release you update/upgrade whenever it is convenient. if you want sid to work stable, you need to wait and ensure you can try update/upgrade |
| 20:31.54 | mortai | I see. I run Wheezy at the moment, so I guess I'll stick with that. Thanks sobersabre ! |
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| 20:34.16 | abrotman | mortai: also no security updates for wheezy (not directly anyway) |
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| 20:36.05 | sobersabre | sobersabre: I haven't run sid for years, when I did I used to poll the ml debian-devel-changes |
| 20:36.13 | sobersabre | (or whatever it was called at that time) |
| 20:36.27 | abrotman | it's still called that |
| 20:36.34 | abrotman | the mailing list you mean? |
| 20:36.38 | sobersabre | yep. |
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| 20:37.59 | sobersabre | (truth to be told, I'm now sinning with other debian derivatives (mint basically) on my laptop, keeping servers virgin debian.) |
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| 20:40.13 | abrotman | sobersabre: that's just silly, according to them, they're exactly the same .. </sarcasm> |
| 20:40.32 | sobersabre | question: I currently have my home router run an old init script to setup fw rules. |
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| 20:40.57 | sobersabre | it works, but I understand soon (next or the next release) init will be replaced by something else (like systemd) |
| 20:41.17 | sobersabre | so, I want an app to re-org my rules with. |
| 20:41.44 | sobersabre | I only want that app to keep the rules in text format so I can easily edit them with a text editor. |
| 20:42.16 | sobersabre | there's "shorewall"... and there are many others. what are you using ? |
| 20:42.17 | pfred1 | nothing worthwhile is ever easy |
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| 20:42.46 | cooldude | zykotick9, thanks the live rescue method worked |
| 20:42.55 | sobersabre | abrotman: let's not get into it... it would be a silly chat :) |
| 20:43.06 | abrotman | sobersabre: darn tootin it would be |
| 20:43.13 | sobersabre | aye. |
| 20:43.52 | zykotick9 | cooldude: i'm glad you fixed it, instead of reinstalling. |
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| 20:44.42 | sobersabre | JyZyXEL: can you describe a positive and a negative "use case" of what you're trying to achieve ? |
| 20:44.44 | pfred1 | I need t oreinstall a system ehre |
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| 20:45.18 | pfred1 | it wasa Lenny system I did a lousy job of upgrading |
| 20:45.42 | sobersabre | pfred1: how can you do such a lousy upgrade you need to reinstall ? |
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| 20:45.52 | sobersabre | specifics would be nice... |
| 20:46.14 | cooldude | zykotick9, what i did is that as soon as i booted into rescue mode and went into root file system of a shell i went and " su " ed into my user account and deleted my crontab |
| 20:46.20 | cooldude | and i rebooted |
| 20:46.32 | pfred1 | sobersabre well as it turned out Lenny was just too old to support the graphics in that machine so on a lark I upgraded it to Squeeze testing I didn't think it was going to work and it really doesn't but it sort of does |
| 20:46.40 | cooldude | and the root file system had some errors, and it whined to reboot, so it did, and now it is running ok |
| 20:47.09 | sobersabre | pfred1: what you say is general. what specifically doesn't work ? (not "sort of") |
| 20:47.32 | pfred1 | sobersabre oh a lot of stuff the dev rules for my CD drive in particular are mangled |
| 20:48.00 | sobersabre | pfred1: why not reinstall udev package only ? |
| 20:48.11 | pfred1 | sobersabre there were actions I should have performed before the upgrade that I didn't |
| 20:48.25 | sobersabre | pfred1: like "backup" ? |
| 20:48.37 | pfred1 | sobersabre no there was no data on that system as it was new at the time |
| 20:48.56 | pfred1 | sobersabre funny thing about new systems is they rarely come sith dats in them |
| 20:49.06 | pfred1 | sobersabre funny thing about new systems is they rarely come with data in them |
| 20:49.34 | cooldude | now zykotick9, are you experienced with sh scripts launching python scripts? |
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| 20:49.55 | sobersabre | I am on squeeze since "etch". each next release was upgraded from the previous one. with apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 20:50.08 | zykotick9 | cooldude: not at all ;) good luck. |
| 20:50.19 | cooldude | could i try in #python zykotick9? |
| 20:50.47 | sobersabre | I don't remember any problems. but alas, I'm using the fine manual.... |
| 20:51.57 | sobersabre | need consultation/suggestion on which fw rules management tool I should use on squeeze so when I upgrade to wheezy it will still be supported. |
| 20:52.16 | sobersabre | The req. from that tool is that it should keep data in text format. |
| 20:52.34 | pfred1 | I let my router firewall me |
| 20:52.47 | sobersabre | pfred1: I think you can get away with reinstalling and re-configuring single packages you are having problems with. |
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| 20:53.20 | pfred1 | sobersabre it was a hasty install job just to get things to work I didn't really set the system up in any way I actually care for it needs to be redone |
| 20:54.05 | pfred1 | sobersabre more of a fact finding mission than an OS install it was a new system at the time |
| 20:54.50 | sobersabre | pfred1: I recommend using a nice site to setup your system: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 20:55.10 | sobersabre | choose your architecture, and go from 1 to eternity |
| 20:55.11 | pfred1 | sobersabre I've installed Debian enough to know how I like it now |
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| 20:56.12 | sobersabre | SHAKEN, NOT STIRRED :) |
| 20:56.56 | pfred1 | sobersabre this is a box I did last week it jitters not shakes http://i.imgur.com/OjNG078.png |
| 20:57.09 | ompaul | pfred1: I've read your back scroll, I don't know if you want to reinstall or fix, if reinstall, strongly advise you to install wheezy RC and dist-upgrade it then tell us what you want installed on there, make sure you are wired to the internet to do the install |
| 20:57.18 | pfred1 | sobersabre you won't find out how to do that in any install guide either |
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| 20:58.16 | ompaul | sobersabre: your dist-upgrade shouldn't kill off your ip tables, but like all upgrades you should back up your important data first |
| 20:58.17 | Sysaxed | Is there any great tool to create input box from bash with limited number of characters? I've tried zenity but there's no option to set maximum number of characters. |
| 20:58.21 | pfred1 | ompaul I'd still run Lenny if I could |
| 20:58.39 | ompaul | pfred1: no security upgrades and bad ssh, interesting choice |
| 20:59.16 | pfred1 | ompaul my router takes care of my security needs |
| 20:59.27 | sobersabre | pfred1: I don't get it... this reminds me of kde 2.x |
| 20:59.28 | sobersabre | :) |
| 20:59.30 | ompaul | pfred1: interesting world view |
| 20:59.46 | pfred1 | ompaul it is between all of my systems and the world |
| 20:59.50 | sobersabre | ompaul: I think he has not a home router. |
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| 21:00.04 | sobersabre | pfred1: are you on a fortigate or something ? |
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| 21:00.13 | sobersabre | oh, Apr. 1 is a go! |
| 21:00.15 | pfred1 | ompaul I'm not too concerned about me hacking any of my boxes |
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| 21:00.58 | ompaul | woody running on a gateway with ipchains I guess ;-) |
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| 21:02.48 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: there's something called "dialog" it has gtk or curses frontend. |
| 21:03.22 | sobersabre | ompaul: I am more worried of opting out /etc/init.d/ scripts. |
| 21:03.51 | sobersabre | so I want to use a tool to keep the rules in its format, and it would be started by the whatever init system comes over. |
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| 21:04.37 | ompaul | sobersabre: iptables save and restore have a quick search, once you have saved rules they can stay in place |
| 21:04.50 | ompaul | sobersabre: dropped onto the next box and so on |
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| 21:08.14 | sobersabre | hm...I now understand what it is lacking: I have variables in my script, so I can switch forwarding from one box to another. |
| 21:08.40 | sobersabre | I'm doing invoke-rc.d firewall restart and it loads the new set of rules. |
| 21:08.51 | sobersabre | and I have groups of services... |
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| 21:08.58 | sobersabre | I guess I need something like that. |
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| 21:09.18 | sobersabre | with symbolic naming of services/ports I could switch the destinations/sources from/to. |
| 21:09.40 | sobersabre | I suspect I'm not fully comprehensible.... |
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| 21:10.24 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: yeah, I'm checking the dialog right now, but there's a problem... |
| 21:10.45 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: dialog --max-input 20 --inputbox "Enter your name:" 7 200 |
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| 21:11.12 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: this works right for english alphabet, but when trying to enter Cyrillic characters it screws up |
| 21:11.24 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: I mean, text length is not exactly 20 symbols for unicode text |
| 21:12.07 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: my guess this is not the problem of dialog package, but your wrongly set up terminal... |
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| 21:12.38 | sobersabre | in symbols, the length should be exactly 20 symbols, (but more bytes) |
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| 21:13.34 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: ?... definetely dialog problem |
| 21:13.42 | Sysaxed | tried it in xterm and in terminator |
| 21:14.35 | Sysaxed | is there any other tool to show quick dialogs? |
| 21:14.43 | sobersabre | what is your $LANG, $LANGUAGE and possibly $LC_* ? |
| 21:14.51 | sobersabre | basically ncurses is your friend. |
| 21:15.07 | pfred1 | ncurses foiled again! |
| 21:15.28 | sobersabre | if you're friendly with python, it probably has a convenient wrapper around ncurses. |
| 21:15.34 | pfred1 | could try using a UTF-8 aware terminal perhaps too? |
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| 21:15.50 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: echo "$LANG $LANGUAGE $LC_*" #en_US.UTF-8 en_US:en * |
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| 21:16.20 | pfred1 | an environment setting will not upgrade a terminal package I'm afraid |
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| 21:16.48 | Sysaxed | well, tweaking my fucking terminal wont fix it for every other system people will run this script.. so |
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| 21:16.58 | pfred1 | urxvt can handle utf8 |
| 21:17.15 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: if you want unicode you need a terminal with unicode support. |
| 21:17.21 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: WHAT? |
| 21:17.41 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: It works! it's just a bug in dialog |
| 21:17.48 | pfred1 | OK time to do something intelligent here like empty the kitty litter box |
| 21:17.50 | Sysaxed | or am I wrong |
| 21:17.57 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: relax man :) |
| 21:18.08 | Sysaxed | sorry for that, but come on :\ |
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| 21:18.18 | Sysaxed | unicode characters are displayed correctly for me |
| 21:18.26 | Sysaxed | I guess |
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| 21:18.33 | Sysaxed | well it looks like they're fine |
| 21:18.58 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: what are you using all this for ? |
| 21:19.16 | Sysaxed | Anyway! I was asking about any quick way to show an editbox (gui or not) with limited number of characters. |
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| 21:19.50 | sobersabre | dialog supports gui too. maybe the gui version would support what you want better. |
| 21:20.10 | Sysaxed | I have a bash script that does some small stuff but needs a user input with limited number of characters... writing gtk dialog would be an overkill for a 5 line script |
| 21:20.35 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: maybe! Where is it? xdialog is deprecated and not in the repositories for a while |
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| 21:21.18 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: you don't need to modify your script in lines number for using gui. rtfm dialog man.... |
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| 21:22.19 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: sorry, but I don't understand you... |
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| 21:23.13 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: oh, I thought by "gui" you meant a real gui? |
| 21:23.57 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: zenity looked like a great tool, but doesn't have an option to limit characters in an edit box... |
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| 21:26.46 | jjim50 | hi all, can somebody tell me why is it that i can log in to my server as a normal user, but i cannot su root even though i KNOW my password is correct. i have manually added another account with root privileges and another password, but i keep getting "su: Authentication failure" |
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| 21:28.41 | zykotick9 | jjim50: "another account with root privileges"? how on earth did you do that? or do you mean sudo? |
| 21:29.08 | Sysaxed | I guess I'll just write a simple python gtk app to show a window with edit field :\ |
| 21:30.30 | jjim50 | manually editing passwd and shadow. i generated the password with openssl and the hash is the same as the one of an account with a known password. |
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| 21:32.01 | martin__ | hi, when I want to install software updates i'll get Error http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main libsqlite3-0 amd64 3.7.16-1 IP Adress not found |
| 21:32.25 | martin__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.42 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: you could filter the length of the input later in your script... |
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| 21:33.58 | sobersabre | you don't really HAVE to filter it in the gui layer.... |
| 21:34.19 | mmnicolas | martin__: update your databases, aptitude update |
| 21:34.31 | sobersabre | and there are more generic packages to cover either GTK or KDE dialogs (debian package: ssft) |
| 21:34.55 | sobersabre | is it /bin/sh script or a /bin/bash script ? |
| 21:35.10 | sobersabre | and if it's python.... well it is even easier. |
| 21:35.53 | Sysaxed | sobersabre: yeah, I know, I can even recreate a window with shortened string again, but that's not as nice as I wish it to be |
| 21:35.54 | sobersabre | Sysaxed: I didn't have the requirement to limit the user's input at dialog stage... |
| 21:36.25 | sobersabre | are you providing a deb package ? |
| 21:36.34 | sobersabre | you may as well use debconf at configuration level. |
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| 21:37.19 | sobersabre | it surely supports gui and text modes. I think it is more versatile than dialog/zenity/kdialog |
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| 21:37.50 | sobersabre | ok, I'm off. |
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| 21:39.09 | martin__ | mmnicolas, when i did apt-get update there appear a lot of http://ftp.at.debian.org unstable/main 2013-03-31-2012.57."pdiff" what are this pdiff? 0o |
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| 21:39.59 | zykotick9 | martin__: see "/msg dpkg pdiff" for some details. |
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| 21:40.08 | mmnicolas | martin__: incremental updates |
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| 21:40.36 | pfred1 | thought the first rule of unstable was that we never talk about unstable? |
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| 21:40.58 | pfred1 | or is that testing? I always forget! |
| 21:41.13 | martin__ | i use unstable |
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| 21:47.15 | bin_bash | I'm running debian squeeze |
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| 21:51.20 | franco00 | I am trying to reconfigure my timezone. cat /etc/timezone is 'Europe/Rome' , but when I inoke 'date' result is 'Sun Mar 31 21:50:18 UTC 2013' . What am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:53.32 | Nothing4You | franco00: wrong system time? what does `date -u` tell you? |
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| 21:55.17 | franco00 | Sun Mar 31 21:54:58 UTC 2013, Nothing4You |
| 21:55.27 | Nothing4You | that is correct |
| 21:55.30 | franco00 | indeed |
| 21:55.38 | franco00 | I am running debian/sid, armhf |
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| 21:55.54 | franco00 | I don't think this pc has, what is it called, an 'internal clock'? |
| 21:56.03 | Nothing4You | afaik every pc has |
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| 21:56.23 | Nothing4You | it's the rtc clock |
| 21:56.26 | Nothing4You | real time clock |
| 21:56.50 | Washu | Will following these steps be sufficient to prepare a debian6 install to upgrade to wheezy?: http://dsa.debian.org/howto/upgrade-to-wheezy/ |
| 21:56.56 | thorie | anyone know of nvidia drivers for debian? i only see drivers for fedora, suse, ubuntu, redhat, ... :( |
| 21:57.19 | Washu | thorie: I think they might be in the default kernel |
| 21:57.28 | Nothing4You | franco00: try setting the timezone with `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata` |
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| 21:59.28 | franco00 | Nothing4You: you rock! I tried using tzdata, but didn't know about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:59.34 | zykotick9 | Washu: i'm not sure what dsa.d.o is, but those are a lot more detailed then the regular "/msg dpkg squeez->wheezy" instructions |
| 21:59.35 | franco00 | what does it do, exactly? |
| 21:59.39 | Nothing4You | franco00: i believe you didn't change /etc/localtime |
| 21:59.50 | Nothing4You | dpkg-reconfigure lets you reconfigure packages |
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| 22:00.35 | franco00 | well, very nice, thank you |
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| 22:00.40 | Nothing4You | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 22:01.09 | zykotick9 | thorie: don't download the nvidia.com driver (unless you REALLY have too). there are nvidia dkms packages in debian's non-free repo. |
| 22:01.25 | Washu | Can anyone help me upgrade squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 22:01.55 | thorie | zykotick9: ok |
| 22:02.23 | zykotick9 | thorie: you can see "/msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks" for confirmation/details on that. |
| 22:03.22 | dioz | does ati installer suck as much as nvidia? |
| 22:03.24 | zykotick9 | Washu: do you have a specific question or issue? |
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| 22:04.27 | Washu | zykotick9: How do I do it? I've been told before that it's not as simple as changing squeeze to wheezy in apt/sources.list and doing apt-get dist-upgrade but that's worked in my VMs before... have a VPS with squeeze and since wheezy is prettymuch ready I thought I'd upgrade before I start loading servers on |
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| 22:05.37 | zykotick9 | Washu: i'm not sure who/why you where told otherwize, but the <squeeze->wheezy> factoid is valid, as far as i know |
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| 22:05.51 | zykotick9 | s/otherwize/otherwise/ |
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| 22:06.47 | Washu | zykotick9: yea, thinking about it they weren't able to explain themselves very well; btw dpkg doesn't know what that phrase is for me but stable->testing just told me to update and dist-upgrade so that person was probably crazy or something |
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| 22:08.31 | Washu | wheezy is missing *-updates/volitile isn't it from apt? |
| 22:08.59 | zykotick9 | Washu: volitile was removed during squeeze wasn't it? |
| 22:09.22 | Washu | zykotick9: was replaced/renamed to squeeze-updates but I think even that's gone now |
| 22:09.55 | babilen | it's not |
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| 22:11.31 | martin_ | i installed a few days ago matlab but now, i cant find the matlab executeabel... after apt-get upgrade |
| 22:12.14 | martin_ | removes apitude update all files which are not in the package system? |
| 22:12.27 | Some_Person | Would it be possible to create a debian install disc that includes a bunch of different DEs? |
| 22:13.13 | syslq | martin_: it shouldn't |
| 22:13.40 | syslq | martin_: what does type mathlab says? |
| 22:15.07 | martin_ | i installed it with the install gui which was on the matlab cd |
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| 22:15.46 | martin_ | ah i got it |
| 22:16.29 | martin_ | i installed it in /usr/local/ but its located in /usr/local/bin/matlab |
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| 22:21.16 | pfred1 | martin_ /usr/local/bin/matlab is under the /usr/local/ prefix |
| 22:21.38 | syslq | martin_: updatedb; locate are useful |
| 22:21.49 | pfred1 | which would be the useful command to use there |
| 22:22.12 | pfred1 | as long as /usr/local/bin is on your path |
| 22:22.27 | syslq | pfred1: locate looks only in path? |
| 22:22.34 | pfred1 | no which only does |
| 22:22.41 | syslq | Meh, find / -name "*mathlab*" |
| 22:22.41 | martin_ | thanks |
| 22:22.49 | Washu | is there a wheezy-updates to replace squeeze-updates? i.e. is that system still in place for wheezy? |
| 22:22.51 | syslq | martin_: you're welcome |
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| 22:23.32 | pfred1 | syslq type which which on the CLI |
| 22:24.01 | saedelaere | I have a virtual server running debian squeeze. Today my provider announced they will update to a newer kernel version because they had some problems with a intel nic. at first I thought this would not affect me, but after the upgrade i was no longer able to load the fuse kernel module |
| 22:24.19 | saedelaere | now uname shows me kernel version 3.5.8 OO |
| 22:24.42 | saedelaere | and there is no modules.dep for kernel 3.5.8 in /usr/lib |
| 22:24.51 | saedelaere | ehm sorry /lib/modules |
| 22:25.24 | pfred1 | saedelaere depmod |
| 22:25.48 | saedelaere | now they want to provide me with the appropriate modules directory but honestly will debian squeeze work with kernel 3.5.8-xen? |
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| 22:26.32 | saedelaere | pfred1: WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/3.8.5-xen: No such file or directory |
| 22:26.33 | pfred1 | saedelaere you don't stand to lose much if it doesn't |
| 22:26.56 | syslq | pfred1: type does the same and it's bash builtin |
| 22:27.21 | saedelaere | pfred1: I just need this stupid fuse kernel module to mount a webdav drive |
| 22:27.33 | saedelaere | and maybe other kernel modules in the future |
| 22:27.51 | pfred1 | syslq neat I'll try to remember that |
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| 22:28.14 | saedelaere | I moved to this provider because they use xen virtualization and no openvz with lots of kernel modules available |
| 22:28.15 | pfred1 | saedelaere I just had a terrible time dealing with modules last week |
| 22:28.17 | saedelaere | and now this |
| 22:28.32 | nullby7e | who can run win8 with debian? |
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| 22:30.15 | nullby7e | answear? |
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| 22:30.46 | pfred1 | saedelaere [ 54.701988] latency_rt: Unknown symbol nano2count (err 0) |
| 22:30.56 | syslq | nullby7e: ? |
| 22:31.05 | syslq | Win8 with debian as dual boot? |
| 22:31.09 | syslq | YOu can run that |
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| 22:31.21 | saedelaere | pfred1: that sounds horrible |
| 22:31.25 | syslq | With never laptop you will probably have to disable secure boot |
| 22:31.28 | syslq | in uefi |
| 22:31.31 | pfred1 | saedelaere it drove me to tears |
| 22:31.35 | kimspindel | win8 D: |
| 22:31.46 | pfred1 | saedelaere turned out I was missing a kernel config option |
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| 22:31.52 | nullby7e | syslq: yea |
| 22:32.09 | syslq | nullby7e: so what's stopping you? |
| 22:32.12 | nullby7e | syslq: how, grub2 package returns for win8 boot Shut down |
| 22:32.22 | Washu | question: can I trust aptitude? when it asks me if it'd prefer a solution I get the impression it's gone mad and is guessing |
| 22:32.43 | Washu | especially when it starts offering loads of solutions |
| 22:32.43 | nullby7e | syslq: from grub "Your computer need to be shutdown. Press power button" |
| 22:33.40 | zykotick9 | Washu: there can be more than one way to skin a cat ;) |
| 22:33.53 | syslq | nullby7e: I don't know. I had a laptop with OEM win8 which would not activate and solution from MS was to buy another windows. HP solution (from their online help) was not to use paritions. So I returned it and got thinkpad on which I've installed linux. That was my only experience with win8 :) |
| 22:33.59 | pfred1 | zykotick9 cats generally don't prefer any of them though |
| 22:34.15 | Washu | zykotick9: apt just does it, aptitude has a cofidence crisis; I prefer to just use apt despite docs advising aptitude |
| 22:34.18 | saedelaere | so the provider cpied the modules files to my virtual server and guess what. it works :) |
| 22:34.21 | saedelaere | happy again |
| 22:35.03 | zykotick9 | Washu: i use aptitude BECAUSE it can offer more then one option. i believe it's only actually come in handy for me once, but that was enough to prove it's superiority for me |
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| 22:35.49 | syslq | nullby7e: good question though. I strongly dislike uefi with all it's advances. OS should not interconnect with "bios" in any way |
| 22:36.29 | nullby7e | syslq: ... waiting for new grub package |
| 22:36.34 | nullby7e | or custom grub2 |
| 22:36.50 | syslq | nullby7e: you need win8? |
| 22:36.50 | zykotick9 | syslq: the libreplanet talk about uefi actually changed my opinion on uefi, it is a good "idea" (even if it's current MS control is disturbing) |
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| 22:37.33 | Washu | zykotick9: I don't understand the multiple choices, if something has a dep then it's a dep, I don't see how it can decide to install completely different things |
| 22:37.42 | peterrooney | nobody believes the control by MS is by accident. |
| 22:37.52 | syslq | zykotick9: all I know is I had laptop with it and I went nut's. Not only that win refused to activate but I got a feeling I do not own a computer I purchased |
| 22:39.11 | zykotick9 | syslq: i have NO COMMENT on your windows issue. there is actually a "tool" that can let you take control of UEFI though (adding keys YOU want). on arm, forget it - freedom is gone. |
| 22:39.59 | peterrooney | zykotick9: what tool is that? |
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| 22:40.54 | syslq | zykotick9: mah that issue was "mistake" but hp's support was irritating :). You can always turn off secure boot so it's not such an issue |
| 22:41.45 | syslq | What I don't understand is why ms is even trying such things, they will be gone in 10 years no matter what they do. They lost phones, tablets, cloud |
| 22:42.14 | zykotick9 | syslq: turning secure boot off is only an option for x86 archs, for arm - it's not an option, thus my "freedom is gone" statement |
| 22:44.01 | syslq | zykotick9: how come? |
| 22:44.11 | Washu | syslq: I know they lost it harder than anything else but don't forget servers |
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| 22:44.24 | syslq | zykotick9: so if you want to run anything else than preloaded on arm you can't? |
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| 22:45.34 | syslq | Washu: what servers? MS is holding companies that require central management. Business model is changing. Bring your own device is becoming more and more common... + I'm from central/east Europe and here many companies are migrating to google apps for business, amazon etc... On internet ms is non existent |
| 22:45.40 | syslq | And I make my living mostly with ms |
| 22:45.47 | syslq | so I'm not linux biased :) |
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| 22:46.23 | syslq | Basically ms is my strongest skillset but I'm not blind |
| 22:46.32 | Washu | syslq: the most neutral person in the world probably wouldn't have much great to say about MS |
| 22:47.14 | Washu | syslq: also what about that server thing? Most companies and people run their own servers and they run GNU/Linux |
| 22:47.35 | tekk | hi guys, has the kernel in debian-testing or 7.0 RC got http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/netxtreme_desktop.php (tg3) support out the box ? |
| 22:48.19 | Washu | tekk: I think that'd be a question for #linux perhaps since debian uses a normal linux kernel configuration to my knowledge (minus binary blobs) |
| 22:48.20 | syslq | Washu: depends on the type of the companie. Big enterprises are slow to adapt. They still swear by ms, but it's the small/medium business that are making IT transformation and larger will follow |
| 22:48.52 | tekk | ok thanks Washu |
| 22:48.59 | syslq | Washu: just to be clear, I'm not saying that google and other service providers are better than MS :), it's just fact of life |
| 22:49.06 | Washu | syslq: big companies understand the value in controlling your data and systems |
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| 22:49.21 | Washu | syslq: not sure what you're trying to say tbh |
| 22:49.29 | tekk | my gut feeling to my question is "no" considering debian 7.0 is 3.2.39-2 right? |
| 22:49.32 | zykotick9 | Washu: if your last statement is true, why are they using MS in the first place... |
| 22:49.41 | Washu | zykotick9: what? I'm lost. |
| 22:49.48 | tekk | and ubuntu xx.10 latest uses 3.5.x kernel which does not have tg3 support |
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| 22:50.19 | syslq | Washu: that AD and exchange and complete dependency on ms office is a business model of the past. But maybe I'm wrong |
| 22:50.20 | Washu | tekk: debian is unlikely to have drivers taht ubuntu doesnt have because ubuntu includes proprietary stuff too |
| 22:50.21 | zykotick9 | Washu: if "big companies understand the value in controlling your data and systems" then using MS seems counter-productive |
| 22:50.37 | Washu | zykotick9: yes, that was my argument |
| 22:50.39 | tekk | sure, thanks Washu |
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| 22:50.45 | tekk | its a shame |
| 22:50.51 | Towzzer | what is |
| 22:51.02 | tekk | the driver in question is for the late 2012 mac mini (for now i have a custom kernel i've compiled that works nicely) |
| 22:51.05 | Washu | Towzzer: tekk was after broadcom drivers |
| 22:51.11 | tekk | as i think debian 7.0 is the best OS for a late 2012 mac mini |
| 22:51.24 | Washu | "debian is the best OS" -- tekk :D |
| 22:51.38 | tekk | hah |
| 22:51.48 | tekk | paraphrased and not strictly correct ;) |
| 22:51.54 | tekk | but sure, whatever :) |
| 22:52.05 | Washu | there needs to be more PCs like mac minis, good for recommissioning as servers in their later life |
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| 22:55.15 | syslq | zykotick9: libreplanet talk about uefi <-- is this a video? |
| 22:55.44 | zykotick9 | syslq: i'm not sure if the LP videos are out yet. i watched it streaming live at the time. |
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| 22:56.03 | syslq | zykotick9: ah thanks |
| 22:57.32 | zykotick9 | syslq: my quick search seems to suggest, they're not :( |
| 22:58.51 | syslq | zykotick9: too bad |
| 22:59.07 | syslq | Thanks anyway. |
| 22:59.19 | zykotick9 | syslq: keep your eyes open, according to http://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanet:Conference/2013/Live they're scheduled to be released (at some point) |
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| 23:11.02 | Washu | What does openssl-blacklist do exactly? |
| 23:12.14 | Washu | sounds like it has a tool to check if my cert is weak or something; seems like that'd be built-in to openssl itself so am not sure |
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| 23:25.20 | Tramp | Washu: I think it checks for keys which were generated because of this: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
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| 23:26.04 | mathe_frage | hi, i'am trying to boot an older kernel of my debian system |
| 23:26.19 | mathe_frage | but i dont have acces to the pc i'am connected via ssh |
| 23:26.27 | mathe_frage | so i cant choose the right kernel version at boot |
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| 23:26.48 | Washu | Tramp: Yea that makes sense (didnt have to read, i remember the debian bug), would assume that sort of stuff would already be in openssl, actually it's probably a tool for retroactively checking |
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| 23:27.06 | Washu | i.e. not useful to those who generated certs after that was fixed |
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| 23:33.03 | cornfeedhobo | hello. i am having an annoying issue. i am trying to install MariaDB. So I added their repo, as per their site's instructions and tried 'sudo apt-get install mariadb-server' but it failed. here is where i am at now http://dpaste.com/1042192/ |
| 23:33.27 | cornfeedhobo | I tried uninstalling to resolve the issuo but that didnt work |
| 23:35.26 | abrotman | it tells you how to solve it |
| 23:36.14 | cornfeedhobo | abrotman: if it is that apparent, can you please tell me what i am missing? |
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| 23:40.32 | cornfeedhobo | abrotman: i tried what it tells you to do... did you not see that those are two cammands?? |
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| 23:43.18 | cornfeedhobo | abrotman: it says that libmysqlclient18 has multiple instances but wont let me uninstall the other one |
| 23:44.30 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 23:44.47 | stack_ | with a laptop, what are therecommended power management settings? is there a good default config? for example I've enabled laptop task and when the hard drive spins down it reactivates immediatedly. |
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| 23:45.14 | cornfeedhobo | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/1042213/ |
| 23:45.34 | cornfeedhobo | it seems cyclical. thats why i came here |
| 23:46.03 | cornfeedhobo | stack_: not really. it highly depends on your laptop |
| 23:46.34 | cornfeedhobo | stack_: what make? |
| 23:47.31 | stack_ | cornfeedhobo: it is an asus, k55v |
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| 23:48.14 | abrotman | cornfeedhobo: try using aptitude |
| 23:48.28 | cornfeedhobo | yeah asus has nothing special like toshiba or lenovo, so you pretty much have to try diffent grub settings and user daemons |
| 23:48.49 | stack_ | cornfeedhobo: i've sperimented with hdparm and enabled relatime on fstab, I'm tryng to understand if increasing commit time in ext4 is a good idea, to do not let the disk spin up immediatedly |
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| 23:50.35 | cornfeedhobo | stack_: my opinion is that linux does not really handle the mobile concept well. when i explored hard drive safety measures, i ended up just getting a SSD |
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| 23:51.34 | cornfeedhobo | like they even have a tilt sensor in my laptop, but toshiba could give two shits about linux so i cant use it |
| 23:51.50 | cornfeedhobo | lenovo is the only one that has addressed this stuff for linux |
| 23:52.04 | stack_ | not an option :) |
| 23:52.08 | tachikoma1010101 | how is a tilt sensor important to a laptop? |
| 23:52.12 | tachikoma1010101 | incase of a fall? |
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| 23:52.16 | stack_ | yes |
| 23:52.18 | cornfeedhobo | park the drive |
| 23:52.19 | cornfeedhobo | yeah |
| 23:52.34 | tachikoma1010101 | pfft |
| 23:52.49 | stack_ | yeah screw technology. |
| 23:53.02 | stack_ | stick with 1990 features. |
| 23:53.06 | tachikoma1010101 | haha |
| 23:53.10 | cornfeedhobo | lol. thats what my friend said while picking up his laptop and shaking it. i flew back a few months ago and guess what is dying on him??? |
| 23:53.24 | tachikoma1010101 | if you grop your laptop you'll have issues no matter what |
| 23:53.25 | cornfeedhobo | back when i made this SSD call |
| 23:53.35 | tachikoma1010101 | but SSD is always a good call |
| 23:53.36 | cornfeedhobo | true but in general it helps |
| 23:53.52 | cornfeedhobo | like getting up from couches quickly'etc |
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| 23:53.57 | cornfeedhobo | , etc* |
| 23:54.00 | Washu | what's the best vpn software? |
| 23:54.20 | cornfeedhobo | thats a broad question?! |
| 23:55.08 | cornfeedhobo | abrotman: i dont have aptitude and it wont let me do anything until i resolve this |
| 23:55.53 | jeb2 | I was typing something and apparently hit some key combination by mistake and the characters are double spaced, anyone know how to go back |
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| 23:56.25 | Washu | was really just after recommendations |
| 23:57.50 | Washu | openvpn seems to be the one to go for, was just unsure since it uses openssl for encryption, wasn't sure about that |
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