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| 00:00.03 | Leoneof | wulllst: i'm still on debian wheezy |
| 00:00.10 | wulllst | that is: testing |
| 00:00.18 | Leoneof | :[ |
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| 00:00.25 | wulllst | ? |
| 00:00.41 | Leoneof | :D |
| 00:01.21 | wulllst | well, i think this could actually be good for you, because (correct me if i'm wrong), the bug may be fixed until it becomes stable. |
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| 00:01.53 | wulllst | so: no need to fire up kde4.9. you just need to wait (i suppose) |
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| 00:02.54 | petn-randall | wulllst: Only RC bugs get fixed in wheezy now, we're in the final days/weeks of releasing. |
| 00:03.03 | Leoneof | petn-randall: indeed, it's funny, in kde4.5 dolphin has a bug about mounting partitions, then new bug about sorting files in kde 4.8, then kde 4.9 is :) |
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| 00:03.24 | Leoneof | wulllst: yep |
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| 00:05.53 | wulllst | my suggestion: if kde is buggy, use something else. isn't there an alternative to dolphin even eithin kde? |
| 00:06.16 | wulllst | or: build kde4.9 from source (i mean from the original kde source) |
| 00:06.40 | petn-randall | wulllst: That'll leave an even worse mess on the system :| |
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| 00:07.19 | Leoneof | :| |
| 00:07.21 | wulllst | petn-randall: ok. i havent used kde since version 3.6 or so. |
| 00:07.41 | Leoneof | wulllst: what you are using? :) |
| 00:08.02 | wulllst | Leoneof: plain answer: openbox. |
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| 00:08.14 | petn-randall | wulllst: It's not about KDE, it's about installing this from plain source. A 'make install' from most sources will spew files everywhere on your filesystem, impossible to cleanly remove it again. |
| 00:08.18 | morion | i3wm > openbox |
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| 00:08.45 | wulllst | petn-randall: ok, i din't know that. |
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| 00:09.18 | wulllst | petn-randall: so, it is generally better to go with the debian source package an then build a deb package, isn't it? |
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| 00:11.23 | wulllst | exit |
| 00:11.28 | wulllst | sry... |
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| 00:15.33 | wulllst | i wonder what i was doing with dch. isn't it that the version has to appended manually in the Makefile? dch is just for changelog maintenance |
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| 00:18.03 | petn-randall | wulllst: if you don't believe me, just read the man page. |
| 00:18.09 | AlexLikeRock | hi guys |
| 00:18.24 | AlexLikeRock | i need help with my DNS |
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| 00:18.42 | AlexLikeRock | " root@debian:/var/run# nslookup |
| 00:18.43 | AlexLikeRock | > debian |
| 00:18.43 | AlexLikeRock | Server:10.2.48.4 |
| 00:18.43 | AlexLikeRock | Address:10.2.48.4#53 |
| 00:18.43 | AlexLikeRock | ** server can't find debian: NXDOMAIN |
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| 00:19.45 | morion | AlexLikeRock: Use pastebin |
| 00:19.51 | AlexLikeRock | ok. |
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| 00:20.45 | wulllst | petn-randall: now it works. |
| 00:21.07 | carbohydrate | hi debian people |
| 00:21.07 | wulllst | petn-randall: i mean with dch |
| 00:21.13 | carbohydrate | why is debian always out of date |
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| 00:22.41 | wulllst | carbohydrate: what do you mean by "out of date"? |
| 00:22.47 | wolfmitchell | Anyone know what I would add to /etc/apt/sources.list for the debian-voip repo |
| 00:23.01 | carbohydrate | i want to run the latest bleeding edge software but with debian it seems impossible |
| 00:23.04 | AlexLikeRock | this its my problem http://paste.debian.net/246807/ |
| 00:23.23 | morion | If you want 'bleeding edge,' run Sid. |
| 00:23.29 | petn-randall | carbohydrate: You can always run sid/experimental. |
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| 00:24.00 | petn-randall | carbohydrate: but I think you don't even have Debian installed ... |
| 00:24.07 | carbohydrate | hmm. i have heard that sid does not get security updates |
| 00:24.17 | AlexLikeRock | hellooow |
| 00:24.21 | carbohydrate | well i am wavering between ubuntu lts and debian |
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| 00:24.36 | morion | Ubuntu sucks and is bloated. |
| 00:24.37 | wolfmitchell | wonders how many carbohydrates he has to take insulin for if he eats carbohydrate, considering wolfmitchell is a diabetic :P |
| 00:24.51 | wolfmitchell | get it? |
| 00:25.00 | carbohydrate | i am a carbohydrate. i am here to give you all diabetes. |
| 00:25.05 | AlexLikeRock | morion, you can help me ? |
| 00:25.06 | carbohydrate | please eat me. |
| 00:25.07 | petn-randall | carbohydrate: and Ubuntu LTS is bleeding edge? |
| 00:25.08 | wolfmitchell | carbohydrate, .-. |
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| 00:25.15 | wulllst | carbohydrate: deabian cares a lot about stability. |
| 00:25.23 | wulllst | that is time-consuming. |
| 00:25.27 | carbohydrate | hmm |
| 00:25.43 | wulllst | hence, stable means sort of the opposite of bleeding-edge |
| 00:26.34 | morion | carbohydrate: You are judging Debian based solely on Debian Squeeze, aren't you? |
| 00:26.37 | petn-randall | AlexLikeRock: What's your problem? You pasted something without context. |
| 00:26.44 | wulllst | carbohydrate: but, i'd ask myself, why i would like to run bleeding edge software. |
| 00:27.03 | petn-randall | watch?v=ilh3731EXCg |
| 00:27.10 | wolfmitchell | anyone know what to add to /etc/apt/sources.list to use the pkg-voip repo on wheezy? |
| 00:27.27 | wulllst | carbohydrate: if it's just for the reason of running bleeding edge software, then this doesn't seem to be a good reason. |
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| 00:27.32 | wernkebm | Check out crunchbang, carbohydrate. |
| 00:27.41 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/246807/ my proble its try tu configure my DNS on my debian 6 |
| 00:27.45 | morion | Why? Crunchbang is just preconfigured openbox Wheezy? |
| 00:27.54 | AlexLikeRock | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/246807/ my proble its try tu configure my DNS on my debian 6 |
| 00:27.54 | morion | he'd be better off just installing it all himself |
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| 00:28.08 | wernkebm | Yeah. I enjoy it though. |
| 00:28.22 | wernkebm | Oh. Good point. |
| 00:28.27 | petn-randall | AlexLikeRock: That's not showing your problem. It's showing that you can't resolve the domain 'debian', which doesn't surprise. |
| 00:28.42 | carbohydrate | well here is my problem. i ran debian etch on an old asterisk pbx server and eventually things became so outdated on it that i am having problems |
| 00:28.57 | carbohydrate | so now i need to reinstall a new os. i dont want to fall behind again. maybe it is inevitable. |
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| 00:29.11 | petn-randall | carbohydrate: Etch is like ... stone edge. |
| 00:29.11 | morion | carbohydrate: You want rolling release for a server? |
| 00:29.18 | morion | Etch hasn't been supported in awhile |
| 00:29.20 | morion | lol |
| 00:29.31 | petn-randall | carbohydrate: You just forgot to upgrade, that's all. |
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| 00:30.00 | AlexLikeRock | petn-randall, taks do you now some one manual to configure DNS with public IP ? |
| 00:30.03 | carbohydrate | i have heard upgrading is troublesome |
| 00:30.37 | petn-randall | I've heard drugs make my eyes bleed. |
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| 00:32.58 | morion | carbohydrate: Are you just here to troll? |
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| 00:33.26 | carbohydrate | no. why is it every time i try to figure out a definitive answer to things i am labeled a troll. |
| 00:33.42 | morion | carbohydrate: Personally I prefer Gentoo and use both Debian and Gentoo. If you want to have a rolling-release distro with the ability to use new packages and 'stable,' packages at your leisure try Gentoo.. |
| 00:34.06 | rryoumaa | is unstable considered "rolling release"? |
| 00:34.21 | morion | yes, but I don't think he wants to use unstable on a server |
| 00:34.26 | AlexLikeRock | rryoumaa, yes , they are |
| 00:34.54 | wulllst | carbohydrate: i think upgrading (read: migrationg from old-stable to stable or stable to testing) is not that troublesome. |
| 00:35.15 | morion | Upgrading to Sid however is a different story ;P |
| 00:35.27 | wulllst | i migrated from old stable to stable once without problems |
| 00:35.31 | wulllst | morion: ok |
| 00:36.25 | wernkebm | Forgive my ignorance, but what is sid? |
| 00:36.42 | wulllst | sid is unstable, isn't it? |
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| 00:36.47 | morion | Yes. |
| 00:37.00 | morion | Squeeze: Stable | Wheezy: Testing | Sid: Unstable |
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| 00:37.37 | wulllst | and experimental comes prior to sid? |
| 00:38.47 | wernkebm | Oh. Well, I can get into some big quashing. |
| 00:38.49 | rryoumaa | optionally, aiui |
| 00:38.54 | wernkebm | Bug* |
| 00:39.07 | wulllst | petn-randall: i successfully build zim-0.59 on squeeze. the error wiht python was still shown, but the installation process finished without errors anyway and everything seems to work. |
| 00:39.19 | AlexLikeRock | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 01:19.01 | infinitux | hi. do i need to install anything to get 32bit applications to work with amd64 linux? |
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| 01:46.36 | sparadokos | Hi, I'm having crash issues with wheezy. it randomly happens. video goes all wondky with static lines and nothing works.. ssh drops if it is connected. when I use nmap on the ip it shows nothing. So it's like the machine just dies with static jarble on the screen. |
| 01:47.07 | sparadokos | upgraded from squeeze to wheezy almost a week ago. Video has had artifacts here and there on the screen. |
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| 02:14.44 | wald0 | there was a kernel 3.7 in experimental branch but actually there's only 3.8 which doesn't install on wheezy, is there a way to get back the 3.7 ? or a way to install a newer kernel in wheezy ? |
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| 02:18.14 | rwp | wald0, I don't know but I would check http://snapshot.debian.net/ and see if they have the debs. They arechive most everything. |
| 02:18.33 | wald0 | or how to install a newer kernel in wheezy ? |
| 02:18.44 | wald0 | wonder which is the best way |
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| 02:21.24 | rjsalts | wald0: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/ or you could use kernel-package to compile from vanilla linux |
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| 02:22.33 | raSter^ | 2.6.32-042stab072.10 #1 SMP Wed Jan 16 18:54:05 MSK 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:25.37 | gnarface | raSter^: that looks like a custom build, not a debian kernel |
| 02:25.54 | dvs | looks like red hat |
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| 03:24.09 | amit` | Hello, need help in setting up a dial-up connection via USB with a UMTS (3g) ATT phone. I followed a tutorial here : http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=36059&cv=820&title=Create%20a%20Dialup%20Connection%20in%20Linux#fbid=vYEGvPdhxNo but I got an error: /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/gprs: unrecognized option '/dev/ttyUSB0' where /dev/ttyUSB0 is my phone connected (tethered) with a USB cable. Any suggestions? |
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| 03:24.52 | gnarface | amit`: i only have one: double check /dev/ttyUSB0 as the actual node (i'm pretty sure they aren't named that anymore) |
| 03:25.24 | gnarface | amit`: its also likely that the rest of that tutorial is similarly out-of-date but i'm not qualified to speak to that |
| 03:25.45 | amit` | gnarface: There are /dev/tty0 till /dev/tty15 or so , I checked /dev/ directory and there is no /dev/ttyUSB0 file , also there is no /dev/modem file either |
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| 03:26.01 | gnarface | amit`: well whatever you pass it, it will have to exist first |
| 03:26.15 | gnarface | amit`: sorry that's all i've got for you |
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| 03:26.30 | lime_ | How do I open new terminal(Preferable lxterminal) window with commands ready to run? It has a command option, but I would like the command to be edittable and view able before hitting enter to run. |
| 03:26.44 | amit` | gnarface: Yes, that is correct. The problem is that debian is not recognizing the phone connected via usb as a modem :( |
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| 03:27.37 | gnarface | amit`: sometimes if you run dmesg before and after plugging in a new USB device, the second time there is new useful relevant output (possibly listing which /dev node the device got attached to by udev) |
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| 03:28.10 | amit` | Thanks, I'll try that |
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| 03:29.58 | amit` | gnarface: When I connect the phone via USB, I only get two options: charge, storage device but no modem. Can you tell me what is wrong? |
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| 03:31.02 | AFlyingMonkey | why would ls show groups as a gid but not users? |
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| 03:31.31 | gnarface | amit`: i'm sorry i can't. i know in the US you typically are not allowed to do this unless you pay extra. is it possible you're trying to do something on AT&T in the US that used to work in the UK for you? |
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| 03:32.35 | gnarface | AFlyingMonkey: something about group names with more than 8 characters, or non alphanumeric characters and maintaining 80 column braille terminal compatibility by default |
| 03:33.08 | amit` | gnarface: No, I have never been in UK but I heard that this might work in US. Most carriers dont like us to hack anything and get internet as well as phone at the same price. I was trying to see if this would work. |
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| 03:33.24 | AFlyingMonkey | group name is 4 letters |
| 03:33.27 | amit` | gnarface: I have unlimited UMTS or GPRS data on this phone. |
| 03:33.57 | gnarface | amit`: it used to work for me several years ago, but since then as far as i know all of the US carriers one by one patched the "vulnerability" (removed the feature from the network) |
| 03:34.31 | amit` | gnarface: Yes, it was really cool to browse the web at 115 kbps with gprs for free :) |
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| 03:34.47 | gnarface | amit`: typically it costs a minimum 50$/month extra for the feature (they call it "Tethering") and its charged entirely separate from any unlimited data plans |
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| 03:35.23 | gnarface | amit`: i'm lead to believe that the US is the only country in the world where this type of bad behavior is legal for cellphone carriers to engage in |
| 03:35.33 | amit` | gnarface: Yes, I've seen that with cricket network , they offer tethering for all smartphones but I only have a UMTS phone |
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| 03:36.12 | amit` | gnarface: Carriers dictate consumers what they can get. People don't care about these things at all if you aren't surprised. |
| 03:36.34 | gnarface | they'd care if they knew any better |
| 03:36.55 | gnarface | they're just used to being lied to and as a standard practice don't sweat it unless you tell them the truth |
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| 03:37.16 | amit` | That is usually how all american companies are. |
| 03:37.28 | gnarface | sigh |
| 03:37.31 | gnarface | only the ones that stay in business |
| 03:38.01 | amit` | ATT is not too bad but they are somewhat expensive. |
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| 03:50.46 | raven | Hello does anyone know of a efficient way to monitor a Linux server i used to use Nagios/icinga and i like it but i think it's to complex and to much work to use that for only 1 server |
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| 03:56.22 | AFlyingMonkey | found the issue /etc/groups had its permissions changed somehow |
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| 04:11.31 | kallisti5 | anyone know how to set the machines hostname via dhcp-client? |
| 04:11.55 | kallisti5 | aka... dhcpserver specifies a hostname, debian client machine should set that hostname as it's own |
| 04:12.02 | jparkton | kallisti5: as in Bind9 configurations? |
| 04:12.22 | kallisti5 | jparkton: nah. as in local hostname |
| 04:12.46 | kallisti5 | example: I have a pxe server serving out a common nfs root filesystem to compute notes |
| 04:12.59 | LtL | kallisti5: edit `send hostname` in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 04:13.00 | gnarface | kallisti5: at least one of the dhcp client packages lets you set it in the config file and there's a commented out example i think on the first line |
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| 04:13.10 | kallisti5 | wrong direction :) |
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| 04:13.27 | kallisti5 | i don't want to tell the dhcp server the node's hostname |
| 04:13.38 | kallisti5 | I want the dhcp server to tell the node what hostname to use |
| 04:13.49 | LtL | oh, hrm |
| 04:14.20 | AFlyingMonkey | anyone know how to reset the default uid counter to 1000? |
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| 04:14.53 | gnarface | AFlyingMonkey: delete users 1001 and up (or just manually specify a UID when you run adduser) |
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| 04:15.16 | gnarface | kallisti5: i've seen libvirtd do this with the aid of dnsmasq.... maybe you want to try using dnsmasq for a dhcp server? |
| 04:15.22 | AFlyingMonkey | gnarface: already did still remove the users its still incrementing |
| 04:15.40 | gnarface | AFlyingMonkey: did you forget to remove groups 1001+ too? |
| 04:15.58 | gnarface | i think by default a user will have a matching GUID |
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| 04:17.52 | AFlyingMonkey | missed one group |
| 04:19.05 | Rusty1 | +1 dnsmasq kallisti5 |
| 04:19.15 | gnarface | kallisti5: it doubles as a caching dns server so if you got a small network you can use it to kill two birds with one stone |
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| 04:22.05 | kallisti5 | Rusty1: eeh. |
| 04:22.05 | AFlyingMonkey | gnarface: thanks that got it! |
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| 04:22.25 | kallisti5 | Rusty1: problem is, that doesn't set the node's hostname still |
| 04:23.04 | kallisti5 | I have one common pxeroot. all the nodes boot up with "lostnode" as their hostname. I was hopeing to have dhcp client change the hostname based on the dhcp server request. easy-cheezy |
| 04:23.33 | kallisti5 | i'm sure I could script it somehow... just was looking for a lazy way out :P |
| 04:24.22 | gnarface | AFlyingMonkey: hooraay!!! |
| 04:24.45 | kallisti5 | hell, i'll make it even easier and set the hostname based on the last two digits of the mac address. then the client can notify the dhcp server of it's hostname ^_^ |
| 04:25.30 | gnarface | kallisti5: last time i tried this it didn't really give me problems |
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| 04:26.02 | gnarface | kallisti5: its possible that's because libvirtd was doing some magic for me or i forgot having scripted it myself, but i think really dnsmasq is what most people use to solve this problem... |
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| 04:26.31 | gnarface | kallisti5: before that i used a dhcp server on openbsd but i can't imagine its a rare feature of dhcp services |
| 04:27.15 | gnarface | kallisti5: most people are trying to figure out how to get their dhcp servers to NOT do this |
| 04:27.22 | Rusty1 | http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX#Can_I_send_information_to_PXELINUX_via_special_options_in_the_DHCP_response.3F |
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| 04:27.50 | gnarface | oh maybe its a pxe thing |
| 04:27.52 | gnarface | that would explain it |
| 04:28.02 | gnarface | doesn't know shit about pxe |
| 04:29.13 | Rusty1 | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 may or may not help |
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| 05:55.50 | raSter^ | how do you set timezone? |
| 05:55.58 | raSter^ | root@blackjack:/home/jblack# tzconfig |
| 05:55.58 | raSter^ | WARNING: the tzconfig command is deprecated, please use: |
| 05:55.59 | raSter^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.16 | raSter^ | ...wonder what that means |
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| 05:56.25 | gnarface | raSter^: you trolling? |
| 05:56.35 | raSter^ | im asking |
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| 05:56.41 | raSter^ | cant you see |
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| 05:56.56 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | raSter^: you just pasted the answer |
| 05:57.08 | raSter^ | just want to be sure if thats correct JWGUBNYMGBQWOI |
| 05:57.13 | raSter^ | or maybe you can suggest better way |
| 05:57.29 | raSter^ | im actually wanting to set the right time on my country |
| 05:57.36 | gnarface | raSter^: yes, "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" is the correct command to use instead of tzconfig. it is not lying to you. |
| 05:58.04 | raSter^ | ok thanks |
| 05:58.06 | gnarface | raSter^: you do have to have the tzdata package installed first obviously (it is not required, believe it or not) |
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| 05:58.50 | raSter^ | i just want to set my own time. Is there a way even without installing all these? |
| 05:59.20 | raSter^ | i thought the "time" command is just the answer |
| 05:59.27 | raSter^ | and when i read theres this timezone thing. |
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| 05:59.42 | gnarface | not a supported/recommended way, no, but you are still free to just set the time in the bios; you'll be vulnerable to timezone changes though |
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| 06:00.10 | raSter^ | oh well |
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| 06:00.30 | gnarface | raSter^: these days it is expected via standards that your hardware uses UTC by default and you set a specific timezone in the OS (using tzdata in this case) |
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| 06:00.54 | gnarface | raSter^: the other method still works the way it always did its just *wrong* and some things will expect different behavior now |
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| 06:01.33 | raSter^ | i understand. |
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| 06:01.48 | gnarface | raSter^: the command you were thinking of i believe is also "date" not "time" |
| 06:01.58 | gnarface | raSter^: and it still exists and works as expected |
| 06:02.04 | raSter^ | some installs backups and configures needs its own "internal system time" so i wont make mess with that |
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| 06:06.23 | raSter^ | debian is really cool. right now im just experiencing it via VPS remote |
| 06:06.39 | raSter^ | i hope to be able to install my own server soon. Right now just practising :s |
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| 06:08.20 | gnarface | raSter^: oh, you're on a virtual machine... that changes things. your system time may be subject to the host system's settings |
| 06:09.01 | gnarface | raSter^: on virtual machines, certain settings like time and network configurations will not be as much under your control as they would be in a standard bare-metal install |
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| 06:14.39 | txomon | hi, I have come several times with this problem, but no one could help me. I will keep trying. I am getting ultra lagged when resuming or booting up |
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| 06:16.32 | jpinx | txomon: did you check all the obvious things like amount of ram, hdd space free, etc |
| 06:16.43 | txomon | jpinx, yes |
| 06:17.18 | txomon | I have 3.4GB of RAM, and a lot of free space |
| 06:17.29 | txomon | but this problem is just at beggining |
| 06:17.38 | txomon | when I resume or boot up from 0 |
| 06:17.51 | peterrooney | txomon: when does lag first become noticeable? Before/after BIOS, grub, init? |
| 06:18.27 | txomon | peterrooney, when I have booted, and used the system for a pair of minutes, it starts to get *very* laggy |
| 06:18.37 | txomon | and I am like that for 10/15 minutes |
| 06:19.34 | jpinx | txomon: what release are you runnning ? |
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| 06:20.36 | txomon | jpinx, wheezy |
| 06:20.59 | txomon | and I have no idea on which package to report this to |
| 06:21.21 | txomon | it might be chromium, but no real idea |
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| 06:23.25 | txomon | now performance is good once more |
| 06:23.35 | txomon | its been like 12 minutes this time |
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| 06:27.23 | Iridos | txomon, so that's booting from nothing, not hibernate? |
| 06:27.47 | txomon | Iridos, I have hibernate disabled, that is why I said boot and resume |
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| 06:27.57 | txomon | on power on and on resume from suspension |
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| 06:28.41 | Iridos | doesn't htop or iotop show something? |
| 06:28.50 | Iridos | it does sound like swapping for some reason, though |
| 06:28.53 | txomon | Iridos, I use top |
| 06:29.19 | Iridos | whatever |
| 06:29.32 | Iridos | top is no replacement for iotop, though |
| 06:29.47 | txomon | Iridos, so did I think, but kswapd wasn't active |
| 06:29.48 | Iridos | need to run iotop as root since 1-2 years, though |
| 06:30.14 | txomon | Iridos, I am not quite familiar with performance tools |
| 06:30.47 | Iridos | I mean ... iotop only runs under root (it didn't use to) |
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| 06:32.22 | txomon | Iridos, I was running top as root, but ok |
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| 06:32.40 | Iridos | iotop is not the same as top |
| 06:32.45 | txomon | Iridos, if I reboot, will you try to help me with this? So that we can try to diagnose it |
| 06:32.53 | txomon | Iridos, but htop is, isn't it? |
| 06:33.07 | Iridos | yeah, similar... |
| 06:33.40 | Iridos | txomon, I don't know how long I'm here... but someone will? |
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| 06:35.55 | txomon | Iridos, as this only happens after suspend or power up, I need to know for sure someone will be available for when I get back with the performance issues |
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| 06:38.08 | txomon | will be waiting for someone take the challenge :O) |
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| 06:38.17 | peterrooney | txomon: in addition to iotop, my favourite 'weird situation' diagnostic tool is "ps -ef f | most", or, on machines where most isn't available, "ps -ef f | cut -b 1-$COLUMNS | more" |
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| 06:39.21 | txomon | peterrooney, pager is enought? |
| 06:39.32 | peterrooney | in particular, look for Z in the STAT column |
| 06:39.32 | txomon | I use less |
| 06:40.09 | txomon | ok |
| 06:40.20 | txomon | I will try now, coming back now |
| 06:40.27 | peterrooney | txomon: ps -ef f can have very wide output, but I believe less truncates it instead of wrapping it |
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| 06:41.14 | txomon | peterrooney, no, less lets you go up and down |
| 06:41.23 | txomon | its my favourite pager |
| 06:41.57 | jpinx | peterrooney: my less wraps |
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| 06:42.18 | txomon | jpinx, mine too |
| 06:43.01 | jpinx | a simple version is $ ps -ef f | less |
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| 06:44.06 | txomon | yeah, I tried it, anyway, I am waiting till the next time this happens... I have suspended, but I suspect not enough time... |
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| 06:47.04 | jpinx | txomon: why does it need time - nothing is happening during suspension |
| 06:47.25 | txomon | jpinx, no idea, but it happens when it has been some time suspended |
| 06:47.31 | jpinx | txomon: if you are finding this after suspend to ram - I would suspect your ram |
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| 06:47.37 | txomon | I was thinking about pending tasks etc. |
| 06:47.58 | txomon | jpinx, it is only for 10-15 minutes, then it runs smoothly |
| 06:48.29 | txomon | I have no real idea. I know its not hardware because didn't happen to me before, and now is not permanent |
| 06:48.33 | jpinx | yes - after the system has been hunting for bits of ram that wrk |
| 06:48.57 | txomon | jpinx, so I may make a ram check? |
| 06:48.57 | jpinx | txomon: seriously, check your ram hardware |
| 06:49.00 | txomon | oki |
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| 06:49.13 | txomon | I will do so, and see if that reports any error... |
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| 06:55.48 | peterrooney | finds himself wondering why e didn't say "...oh, what about anacron?" |
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| 06:58.37 | tgs3 | how to rebuild Xorg in debian? |
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| 07:00.36 | tgs3 | afaik Debian's Xorg stupidly tries to use ioperm() on Intel while not needed which lowers security |
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| 07:01.25 | txomon | tgs3, what about filling a bug? |
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| 07:01.42 | torpid | seconded |
| 07:02.19 | txomon | is going offline to make a ram check... |
| 07:02.22 | txomon | bb" |
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| 07:20.50 | boudiccas | i've lost the ability to use ALT+F2 to give a little window to put a programmes name in, hwo do i get it back please? |
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| 07:29.18 | txomon | ok, I have rebooted, now I will wait till performance decreases, btw, jpinx no errors in the several ram tests I did |
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| 07:31.04 | txomon | is it alright to have 60 console-kit-daemon processes? |
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| 07:37.14 | peterrooney | txomon: that seems very odd. |
| 07:37.29 | txomon | peterrooney, maybe they are threads? |
| 07:37.34 | txomon | anyway, too many of them |
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| 07:38.40 | txomon | peterrooney, yes, they were threads, any way, big bunch of them... |
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| 07:40.30 | peterrooney | Oh, in thread mode, that's about right. |
| 07:41.10 | txomon | that many is alright? |
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| 07:41.49 | txomon | why does it need that many? |
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| 07:42.55 | peterrooney | I just checked two debian systems and they both had 64 threads. why? any process that might want to track how a user is interacting with the system spawns a thread. "apt-cache show consolekit" |
| 07:43.16 | txomon | oh wuau... |
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| 07:44.45 | peterrooney | Another technique I use to track errant programs is adding this line to /etc/inittab: |
| 07:44.51 | rwp | txomon, I see that too and I have always wondered why there were so many. |
| 07:45.08 | txomon | rwp, there you had the answer |
| 07:45.15 | peterrooney | top:0123456S:respawn:/usr/bin/nice -n 19 /usr/bin/top </dev/tty8 >/dev/tty8 |
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| 07:46.53 | peterrooney | after it's running, I set the delay time to something sensible like 15 seconds, make any other pref settings, and then "W" to write the prefs (which doesn't go where I would expect it to) |
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| 07:47.42 | peterrooney | Thus, at a moment's notice, I've always got access to top on a bogged down system. |
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| 07:49.14 | txomon | peterrooney, that is interesting... |
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| 07:50.04 | txomon | I found that I would be able to limit accidental fork bombs using the inittab system |
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| 07:50.57 | b0lt | peterrooney: does top's kill functionality work with that? is that desireable? |
| 07:51.03 | peterrooney | It could be argued that an interval of 3600 seconds would be better, seeing as the important thing is that when you hit ctrl-alt-F8, it's already running in interactive mode and you can change the delay only when you need to. |
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| 07:51.21 | nocoast | hai |
| 07:51.27 | peterrooney | b0lt: yes it does, due to the " </dev/tty8" part |
| 07:51.29 | nocoast | is there a debian next chan on freenode? |
| 07:51.30 | txomon | peterrooney, I was thinking about acpi keys and init tab |
| 07:51.47 | b0lt | peterrooney: so you have a console logged in able to kill anything at all times? |
| 07:51.59 | txomon | nocoast, no, but wheezy is freezed and I think its supported here |
| 07:52.05 | bazhang | nocoast, its on oftc |
| 07:52.24 | nocoast | oftc? |
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| 07:52.30 | b0lt | irc network |
| 07:52.31 | peterrooney | b0lt: yes, only because all those who have physical access are either trusted or have bigger guns. |
| 07:52.40 | bazhang | irc.oftc.net nocoast see the /topic here |
| 07:52.56 | b0lt | peterrooney: fair enough |
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| 07:59.53 | Raspuser | Hi, I am trying to play several sound files through my Edirol UA25 on a raspberry pie, but I get "resource/device busy" when playing more than one. Is there a workaround? If I use the analog output it works, but then I have the dreadful popping/clicking which makes it unsuable, It is for a sound installation project at school. Thank you |
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| 08:03.26 | peterrooney | Raspuser: you'll probably want to /join #raspbian |
| 08:03.36 | Raspuser | thank you. peterrooney |
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| 08:04.10 | peterrooney | b0lt: it's not technically a login, but top can seriously affect a running system. |
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| 08:06.07 | tgs3 | how to make own repository easily? |
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| 08:06.30 | tgs3 | I have few .deb files, I have my PGP key, I want to put my .debs in one place and set my 3 computers to apt-get that .debs |
| 08:06.37 | tgs3 | the .deb are kernels |
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| 08:07.27 | tgs3 | with make-kpkg how to tell apt that my packages override any existing kernels and should be used first (leaving the other kernels as backup/recovery option) |
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| 08:12.18 | peterrooney | tgs3: I've always found that installing a kernel from .deb makes it the new default - in yaboot, lilo, and grub bootloaders. Do you have a different experience or expectation? |
| 08:12.52 | tgs3 | peterrooney: I would like to aptitude install coolkernel where coolkernel (other name actually) will be in my repository |
| 08:13.16 | tgs3 | I could write small install.sh to grab the file + pgp verify it, but aptitude way is of course better |
| 08:13.22 | tgs3 | peterrooney: |
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| 08:15.25 | peterrooney | Or, you could simply dpkg -i coolkernel.deb if it was correctly made by make-kpkg and then forget about it. dpkg, apt, etc. don't erase kernel entries from the bootloader unless you uninstall those kernels. |
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| 08:16.20 | peterrooney | thus, your new kernel becomes the default for your next boot, and your old kernels are there as alternate choices. |
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| 08:30.06 | viller | where are desktop files (menu items) located? |
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| 08:36.47 | john_rambo | Strange thing is happening. When I am logiing in the wallpaper is changing back & forth from the wallpaper I have set & the Debian dedault wallpaper |
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| 08:39.05 | Nik05 | john_rambo gnome, kde, xfce, ldxe or? |
| 08:39.17 | john_rambo | Nik05, XFCE |
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| 08:51.47 | jeredepp | hello everyone, i got 2 servers in a loadbalanced setup, and on both i got a webserver under revision with Subversion, is there a good way to deploy stuff on those two servers without having to update it on both servers all the time? |
| 08:52.16 | jeredepp | so far i checked out unison or rsync ways, but that's not completely satisfiyng |
| 08:53.53 | ootput | is it possible to change aptitudes colorscheme? |
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| 08:54.14 | ChrisH | jeredepp: depening on the deploy mechanis they use, NFS Server? |
| 08:54.34 | ootput | the light fg on light bg theme for many fields makes it incredibly hard to read |
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| 08:55.42 | ChrisH | jeredepp: But as long as its only two, I would remove one from LB update it, put it back into LB and remove the second. Now check the changes and if they are OK, update the second, If not OK, enable the not updated and fix the updated. |
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| 08:57.18 | ujjain | sudo gets the username from `env` instead of the logged in user when it tries to sudo su to another use? or even run commands as sudo? |
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| 09:02.56 | ChrisH | ujjain: Is that a question or a statment you posted? I do not understand what you are pointing to. |
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| 09:08.16 | MO_Handes | how to adjust my laptop screen contrast? |
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| 09:10.24 | Bruntgrunt | MO_Handes: xicc is a way. |
| 09:10.49 | Bruntgrunt | You would need to create a profile. |
| 09:10.58 | jeredepp | ChrisH: yeah that's what we did so far, but my stomach tells me there must be a better way :) |
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| 09:12.36 | royaflash | hello |
| 09:13.00 | royaflash | did know about ~/.profile file ? |
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| 09:13.30 | royaflash | and profile command |
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| 09:14.01 | royaflash | profiles coommand |
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| 09:16.04 | ChrisH | jeredepp: from operating perspecitve a quick failback option is allways preferred. |
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| 09:18.29 | pokeface | icc profiles... |
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| 09:32.37 | Bruntgrunt | royaflash: the ~/.profile is for bash shell |
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| 09:36.35 | MO_Handes | now how to create an ICC profile? |
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| 09:39.39 | babilen | MO_Handes: Sounds as if icc-profiles (surprise!!) might come in handy |
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| 09:44.19 | Bruntgrunt | Maybe, but he might need to make his own. |
| 09:44.56 | Bruntgrunt | MO_Handes: give this expression to 'aptitude' as a search or limit: ?and(~dcolou?r.*profile,?or(~dcreat,~dcalibrat)) |
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| 09:45.43 | b0lt | why does "passwd -d <user>" set a user's password field to blank in /etc/shadow, instead of to "*"? what is the difference between a user with * and a user with a blank? |
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| 09:45.48 | Bruntgrunt | and you shall see packages likely to help. There was also an old KDE3 or qt3 program I forget the name of. |
| 09:45.49 | babilen | Bruntgrunt: Impossible to say without more information by MO_Handes. Also looks as if (s)he is not particularly interested in pursuing this further. |
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| 09:48.19 | babilen | b0lt: First and foremost: You shouldn't have a * in /etc/passwd but x -- This means that shadow passwords are used (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd#Shadow_file) which is not the same as /no/ password. |
| 09:48.22 | MO_Handes | well, I would just like to adjust the contrast of my laptop led like I adjust brightness, simply, it seems it's so much harder that it looked, I'm taking a look at what suggested by Bruntgrunt now |
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| 09:50.10 | Bruntgrunt | There may be an easier way. It might be specific to the laptop and i do not know it. |
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| 09:50.27 | babilen | b0lt: You can set it to * to deactivate an account. |
| 09:50.38 | b0lt | babilen: i didn't mention /etc/passwd... |
| 09:51.00 | starbuck33 | hi, i have a problem mounting a external hd formatted with ntfs. apparently i'm not privileged to mount ntfs as normal user... is there a way to gain those privileges? |
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| 09:52.15 | b0lt | babilen: it's just that when i create a user with --deactivate-password, I get a * in shadow. i also made a few users with a bullshit password, that i later wanted to deactivate, as they're supposed to use only keys. i tried doing passwd -d on them to remove the password, but that sets it blank instead of to * |
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| 09:54.02 | petn-randall | b0lt: Anything that doesn't match the hash can be there in /etc/shadow. I've seen some systems put a ! in the password field instead of *. |
| 09:54.42 | babilen | b0lt: Well it looks like this if you use shadow passwords (x in /etc/passwd) and the account is deactivated (* in /etc/shadow) |
| 09:55.05 | petn-randall | b0lt: Are you curious about implementation details or is this for a program to check if a user has a deactivated account? Because there are easier methods for that. |
| 09:55.08 | babilen | b0lt: You might want to take a look at "passwd -l" or "usermod --expiredate 1" |
| 09:55.11 | ChrisH | petn-randall: ! is mentioned in man passwd for locked accounts |
| 09:55.28 | babilen | And yeah, this is discussed in "man passwd" |
| 09:56.21 | b0lt | petn-randall: it's just me previously making users with a bullshit password, because i didn't feel like reading the manual to find --disable-password for adduser at the time. now, when i remove the passwords, i noticed the difference between the blank "passwd -d" sets and the * --disable-password sets. thus i wondered what the significance of that was |
| 09:56.23 | petn-randall | ChrisH: Oh right. Didn't have my morning coffee yet :/ |
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| 09:57.59 | b0lt | so ! is different from * again, in that the account is actually locked? while * and a blank are equivalent? |
| 09:58.03 | b0lt | hmmz... |
| 09:58.08 | b0lt | dives into the manual again |
| 09:59.18 | b0lt | so the shadow manual says * and ! don't mean locked, but that passwords can't be used. public keys are fine |
| 09:59.38 | babilen | b0lt: Do you want to lock the account? |
| 10:00.38 | b0lt | i wanted to set its password, in the shadow file, to *, so it looks like the accounts created with --disable-password |
| 10:00.50 | babilen | Then do that. |
| 10:01.05 | b0lt | can passwd to that, or do i have to edit the file? |
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| 10:02.00 | babilen | b0lt: * is simply a placeholder (and an invalid one at that) - edit it if you want that. It is the most direct method that I can think of. |
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| 10:04.31 | Leoneof | hello, i have all packages in special partition called /media/Packages/ , and i want to install some packages inside vbox, how to do that? |
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| 10:05.23 | ChrisH | Leoneof: first idea: make this a shared filesystem inside the VBox guest. VBoxExtentsions needed |
| 10:05.44 | Leoneof | ChrisH: oh, great idea, thanks :) |
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| 10:13.08 | Ricky27 | hey. How do I set boot options in the boot menu? |
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| 10:14.20 | fire | can i have my sources list to both experimental and stable ? or just one at a time ? |
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| 10:18.21 | babilen | Ricky27: Configure them in /etc/default/grub (read info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration') or hit "e" on the entry that you want to modify in the menu |
| 10:18.33 | babilen | fire: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:19.17 | Ricky27 | babilen: I'm currently in the boot screen after I made a persistent USB drive. When I start I only get to command line and almost no command works. |
| 10:19.34 | fire | babilen: right now i am using stable branch. was wondering that is it possible for me to install a package from unstable && experimental branch. |
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| 10:20.32 | babilen | fire: You shouldn't mix stable with anything but backports in most cases. Which packages are you after? Would upgrading to wheezy (current testing that will be released very soon) be an option? |
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| 10:21.37 | Ricky27 | babilen: The last failed thing: startpar: service(s) returned failure: kerneloops ... failed! |
| 10:21.45 | census | oh no! |
| 10:21.49 | census | i bet apeiron knows! |
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| 10:23.18 | fire | babilen: backports are the best option to keep the system stable yet getting the updated packages from testing. |
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| 10:23.59 | fire | babilen: right now i was thinking of installing weechat |
| 10:24.56 | fire | weechat 0.4.0-1 |
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| 10:26.43 | fire | and this package is in sid ( unstable branch ) and i am trying to install this package. |
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| 10:27.09 | fire | and whatever goes wrong want to inspect that and hopefully i can fix it |
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| 10:29.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell fire -about ssb |
| 10:30.21 | fire | ok babilen :) |
| 10:30.30 | babilen | fire: I would recommend to upgrade to wheezy and /then/ backport whatever you still need from unstable. The upgrade procedure is documented in the <wheezy release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy>. |
| 10:30.44 | fire | as i am learning sorry if my question feels wiered :( |
| 10:31.03 | babilen | fire: Don't mix stable with testing/unstable or experimental. That /will/ break you system. |
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| 10:31.32 | fire | ok i will upgrade to wheezy and then backprot weechat |
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| 10:32.24 | babilen | fire: No, your question is perfectly fine and a common one at that. The problem is that testing/unstable are quite different from stable these days and that you will upgrade to a weird stable/testing/unstable mix if you pull in packages directly from there. Some programs are easy to backport by following the procedure in <ssb> (simple sid backport) and will then be compiled for stable. |
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| 10:33.01 | fire | babilen: :) |
| 10:33.11 | babilen | fire: That does not work for everything, but it is one of your options. |
| 10:34.11 | fire | yeah right |
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| 10:36.13 | babilen | fire: "backport" essentially means: "compile against libraries and settings in the branch that I am currently running" -- It is, in particular, important for stable because we switched the way libraries are organised due to the introduction of the <multiarch> feature in wheezy. This feature allows you to install packages from different architectures at the same time natively on your system (e.g. a 32bit/64bit mix) -- The packages from unstable ... |
| 10:36.19 | babilen | ... expect this setup and will therefore pull in this feature even though it has not been tested on stable and is also not necessary for the software in question. If you compile the package again it will compile in a way that does not require multiarch (or whatever else is different) and "just work"™ |
| 10:36.24 | babilen | Just as an example |
| 10:37.03 | babilen | fire: But given that we are about to release wheezy very soon it simply makes sense to upgrade to it now and /then/ check which packages still need backporting. |
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| 10:37.46 | fire | nice information to understand. |
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| 10:40.44 | fire | multiarch feature is really great to have |
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| 10:41.33 | fire | it's like narrowing the gap between 32 bit && 64 bit packages. |
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| 11:37.49 | errorist | lol, I cannot install anything using apt/aptitude E: Internal Error, No file name for libgcc1 funny. not seen this before. |
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| 11:38.42 | errorist | anyone removed the deb.multimedia.org because hash checksum fail on a package. then this happened |
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| 11:41.56 | Stameni | hello, when i was reporting a bug for the first time using reportbug package, i have accidentlly imput wrong email adress, how can i fix that ? |
| 11:42.53 | errorist | apt-cache policy libgcc1 shows: 1:4.7.2-5 on both installed and candidate |
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| 11:43.14 | Stameni | reportbug --configure, i got it |
| 11:43.21 | ksk | Stameni: the package asked you for it when u installed? "dpkg-reconfigure $package" should help |
| 11:43.31 | ksk | oh, ok. |
| 11:43.34 | Stameni | ksk, tnx |
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| 11:45.49 | Stameni | ksk, i have send 2 bug report since my initial configuration, can i somehow change email adresses in the bugs that i have allready sent ? |
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| 11:46.09 | Stameni | on the bugs.debian.org |
| 11:46.13 | errorist | ok. Looks like "dpkg --configure -a" fixed my problem. |
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| 11:53.10 | davis776 | Hello, how to avoid the init script being run during boot, but still be able to run it manually? |
| 11:53.49 | Towzzer | yes, use rcconf |
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| 12:02.09 | Pieplay | I finally got grub to work, something was wrong with my partitions, that's all good now |
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| 12:05.04 | Pieplay | what's my problem here, do I need to look into my keys or do I need to look into the dhcp client |
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| 12:17.50 | fire | while upgrading to wheezy i tried to replace cryptoloop with dm-crypt as told in release note. but i can't find dm-crypt |
| 12:18.31 | Pieplay | Well I know the debian installation sets up wlan0 with no effort, but I kinda skipped that |
| 12:18.35 | abckb__ | My first try with GIMP, some wallpapers for Debian: http://sprunge.us/HROY |
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| 12:19.31 | themill | abckb__: wrong channel? |
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| 12:20.24 | abckb__ | themill: well I thought my fellow debian users might like it :) |
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| 12:26.10 | fire | ok i figured that out :) |
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| 12:45.32 | TuxShells | Debian 6 Question about amavisd-new: I have edited the /etc/amavis/amavis.conf file to set $max_servers to 1 yet I still get it running 3 child processes at 86MB of memory each. Any way to get this down to one process? |
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| 13:06.58 | ARBrad | How would one go about formatting a hard drive that has Debian on it? |
| 13:07.30 | Towzzer | what's on it doesn't matter |
| 13:07.34 | Towzzer | what do you mean sir? |
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| 13:08.27 | ARBrad | I installed Debian a while back, and I'd like to put Mac OS back onto my computer. Problem is, the install disc (9.2.2) won't recognize the ext3 file system of the hard drive. I'd like to completely reformat it or wipe it. |
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| 13:09.46 | W4RH4WK | hello, does somebody know how to configure dovecot (imap) to delete mail on the server side when i delete them on the client side (or move) |
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| 13:10.30 | babilen | ARBrad: That has really nothing to do with Debian and "format" simply means "create a filesystem" -- I have no idea about the OSX installer, but it should support altering the partition table (i.e. partitioning) and would /then/ allow you to create suitable filesystems (e.g. HFS+) on them. |
| 13:10.39 | Bruntgrunt | W4RH4WK: do you mean delete them with the MUA? |
| 13:10.58 | DammitJim | I have a USB hard drive attached to a remote computer |
| 13:11.06 | DammitJim | is there a way to reset the USB port to see if it comes back? |
| 13:11.21 | babilen | ARBrad: I would recommend to ask in ##osx for help with that. Alternatively you can use the partitioning tool that is on the Debian installer to partition the harddrive to your liking. You don't have to create any filesystems as well. |
| 13:12.19 | W4RH4WK | Bruntgrunt: as far as i know dovecot accesses the Maildir in a users homedir, when i move a mail from my inbox to trash (in thunderbird) the mail is coppied from Maildir/cur/mail to Maildir/.Trash/cur/mail when i empty trash in thunderbird all mails in Maildir/.Trash are deleted but the copy in Maildir/cur is still theire (i don't want that) |
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| 13:12.48 | ARBrad | Babilen, the problem I'm facing is I need to install OS 9 to perform a firmware update, so I can install Mac OS X. And the Ext3 partitioned dis is unrecognized by OS 9. Too new, I believe. How do I use that partitioning tool? I'm kind of a newbie. |
| 13:14.24 | Bruntgrunt | W4RH4WK: i use dovecot. I don't recall this problem. You can verify whether it is the same behaviour with claws-mail. |
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| 13:15.19 | W4RH4WK | Bruntgrunt: so as soon as you delete a mail with your MUA it's gone from the Maildir? |
| 13:15.22 | babilen | ARBrad: The filesystem on the disk should be of no interest whatsoever to the OS9 installer. I know nothing about that installer though and it might just be buggy (or too old, or both, or ...) -- If you use the Debian installer you will be offered the chance to partition the harddrive. I would do that and choose "Manual Partitioning" -- You can then create one huge partition (if that is what you want) with no filesystem on it. The installer might ... |
| 13:15.24 | azizLIGHTS | !mac |
| 13:15.24 | dpkg | [mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>. |
| 13:15.28 | babilen | ... complain (or rather inform you that this is a suboptimal choice for installing Debian) but you should still be able to write this to disk. |
| 13:16.25 | Bruntgrunt | W4RH4WK: it does not show in claws, so i presume it is no longer in cur/ |
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| 13:16.34 | babilen | ARBrad: Alternatively you can use any live CD or a specialised live cd such as gparted live to partition the disk. |
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| 13:17.20 | ARBrad | Alright, I'll get on that. Thank you, Babilen! |
| 13:17.25 | W4RH4WK | Bruntgrunt: hm, maybe there is an option on thunderbird to tweak this.. even gone in thunderbird it's cleary left on the server |
| 13:17.54 | babilen | ARBrad: There is also ##apple -- They might know more about MacOS. Good luck! Would you mind letting me know why you decided to not use Debian any longer? |
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| 13:18.40 | Towzzer | don't installers usually have the option to format a drive? |
| 13:18.43 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 13:18.47 | Towzzer | hi mister warden |
| 13:18.55 | ARBrad | The boot up time takes quite a bit compared to Mac OS, and I was having issues getting network cards to work. Both Airport and USB wifi cards failed to recognize networks. |
| 13:19.23 | babilen | ARBrad: The partitioning step of the Debian installer is also explained in http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 13:19.52 | babilen | ARBrad: That is probably something that we can help you with (if you would like that) |
| 13:20.27 | azizLIGHTS | does macchanger change the mac permanently? or is the change only valid till reboot |
| 13:20.30 | ARBrad | I appreciate it, but I think I just want to get Mac OS back on there, and maybe take another go a Debian in the future (On a dual boot this time) |
| 13:20.55 | azizLIGHTS | my router is blocking my real mac address, so i ahve to permanently change it to access the internet |
| 13:21.23 | azizLIGHTS | how do i permanently change the mac address, so it remains that way persistantly |
| 13:21.32 | babilen | ARBrad: Sure, no problem. I was just curious. I hope that I could help you and I wish you all the best. Please realise that your problem with installing OS9 has very little to do with Debian though and that we cannot support it here :) |
| 13:21.32 | W4RH4WK | Bruntgrunt: well, looks like it's gone as soon as thunderbird is closed oO |
| 13:22.29 | ARBrad | Babilen, alright, thanks for helping, still! |
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| 13:24.17 | TheWarden | I'm trying to make a native Debian package, I recently had a bunch of warnings and an error but I have been able to correct all of them except one, "W: dsivip: empty-binary-package". What have I done wrong and how can I fix this? I built the package running debuild -us -uc |
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| 13:26.00 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I have generated a private key using openssl and I see that there CAcert root certificates, so can I sign my private key using them? |
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| 13:28.20 | ziyourenxiang | sign your public key you mean |
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| 13:31.16 | arvind_khadri | ziyourenxiang, yes |
| 13:32.28 | arvind_khadri | ziyourenxiang, how do I do that? |
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| 13:33.43 | ziyourenxiang | well unless you have CAcert's root certificate's private key, you can't really sign your public key with CAcert's root certificate |
| 13:33.50 | ziyourenxiang | ok sorry that was pedantic. |
| 13:34.03 | ziyourenxiang | check out the website on how to have it issue free certificates to you. |
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| 13:35.51 | arvind_khadri | ziyourenxiang, they seem to be experiencing some troubles. |
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| 13:39.24 | ziyourenxiang | i don't have a CAcert-issued certificate myself. |
| 13:39.31 | ziyourenxiang | for my purposes i run my own CA. |
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| 13:44.54 | wakd | On wheezy, I have gdm3/gnome(fallback) working ok to execute ~/.profile needed for my $PATH. But when I added lightdm/lxde it does not in either lxde or gnome(fallback). If I revert /etc/X11/default-desktop-login to /usr/sbin/gdm3 then it works again. How to make ~/.profile run under lightdm? |
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| 13:46.16 | caraconan | Hi there. Does somebody knows why package "resolver" is not trusted? |
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| 13:48.19 | jelly | ,i resolver |
| 13:48.21 | judd | No package named 'resolver' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 13:48.32 | caraconan | Disregard, I installed resolvconf |
| 13:50.29 | ARBrad | Babilen, mind if I hit you up for some more help with this partitioning? |
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| 13:51.46 | TheWarden | Okay, I have my package files in ~/dsivip/ which contains three directories, debian/, home/ and usr/. All the files I'm installing are within the home/ and usr/ directories. My debian/rules looks like this and the debian/ directory contains this, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/c596efe5cac8b3addd9a |
| 13:52.23 | TheWarden | I must be missing something in the rules file to have the files I want to include in the package be installed, something to do with dh_install so I can fix this message, W: dsivip: empty-binary-package |
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| 13:56.12 | Iridos | wakd, perhaps it's for some reason not using a login shell and only parses .bashrc? |
| 13:56.50 | wakd | Iridos: yes it parses .bashrc |
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| 13:57.25 | wakd | but I don't know how to investigate further |
| 13:58.38 | Iridos | it's normal behavior for bash to parse /etc/profile and ~/.profile only when it is run as a login-screen |
| 13:58.44 | Iridos | as detailed in man bash |
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| 14:01.46 | wakd | Iridos: yes. IME it is also normal for that to happen when logging in from gdm3 greeter. But when I install task-lxde-desktop, it does not do so from lightdm. |
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| 14:05.27 | petn-randall | arvind_khadri: If you want to sign your SSL certificate, that e.g. browsers accept it as "valid", you'll need a service like https://www.startssl.com/ |
| 14:05.42 | petn-randall | arvind_khadri: You can get a free, minimum certificate there valid for a year. |
| 14:05.48 | wakd | I have not used lxde before. But I would expect it to behave the same as gnome for login. |
| 14:06.10 | arvind_khadri | petn-randall, I see, thanks :) |
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| 14:06.55 | Johnou | anyone successfully built kernel 3.x on debian i386 for arm arch recently? kernel seems to compile just fine, but when it comes to packaging the deb.. |
| 14:06.58 | Johnou | dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'armel' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386) |
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| 14:07.54 | Johnou | compiling with make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- EXTRAVERSION=-1-huuhaa KDEB_PKGVERSION=1.0 deb-pkg |
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| 14:09.57 | Iridos | wakd, well... why don't you source .profile if that's not already done from .bashrc if it's also an interactive shell? |
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| 14:11.39 | wakd | Iridos: because for other reasons, .profile already sources .bashrc |
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| 14:12.40 | Iridos | just test if a variable that's only set in .profile is already set before you source it? |
| 14:12.44 | wakd | Iridos: and, if gnome and lxde are indeed different in some relevant aspect, this should be well known :) |
| 14:12.53 | Iridos | or figure out why lxe doesn't spwan them as login-shells |
| 14:13.02 | Iridos | lxde* |
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| 14:14.22 | Iridos | well, and first if it indeed does (how parsing .bashrc only suggests) |
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| 14:14.48 | wakd | Iridos: I could set and test a flag variable. But I'd rather get to the bottom of why lxde thinks a login is no a login :) |
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| 14:21.57 | aswen | hi there, I switched to wheezy a week ago and have some small issues I hope you want to help me with |
| 14:22.38 | kyr0 | aswen: Fire away. |
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| 14:23.22 | aswen | cool, 1st is that I chose to create a minimal initrd and forgot that I might like usb keyboard to enter my crypt passwd upon boot... |
| 14:23.45 | aswen | so, how should I enrich the initrd with some usb driver? |
| 14:24.04 | aswen | without bricking my laptop |
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| 14:30.57 | babilen | aswen: You might just want to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and use "MODULES=most" in there before you regenerate the initramfs. Alternatively (if you still want a minimal initramfs) list additional modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules -- In either case you have to run "update-initramfs -u" to update the initramfs. |
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| 14:32.21 | aswen | babilen, thanx! that sounds good, yes I prefer a minimal initrd to improve bootspeed so I 1st try the 2nd method you siggested |
| 14:32.30 | aswen | sugested that is ;-) |
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| 14:33.10 | babilen | aswen: The bootspeed really shouldn't be that different. I would be surprised if you would notice a difference. |
| 14:33.20 | babilen | aswen: Either way: Those are the approaches :) |
| 14:33.35 | babilen | aswen: The bootspeed really shouldn't be that different. I would be surprised if you would notice a difference. |
| 14:33.40 | aswen | ok |
| 14:33.52 | babilen | err |
| 14:33.56 | aswen | why would I have minimal then? |
| 14:34.10 | babilen | Size considerations for example |
| 14:34.14 | babilen | brbr |
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| 14:35.30 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
| 14:35.36 | aswen | yeah ok, that's obvious, but I thought that there was some very specific reason for it |
| 14:36.00 | onebitxajax | i have installed debian testing + kde and i have this probelm. i don't have mouse pad configuration, is that normal? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/03/plasma-desktopAK3254.png |
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| 14:37.25 | aswen | onebitxajax, synaptic drivers installed? |
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| 14:37.44 | onebitxajax | aswen: witch driver? |
| 14:37.52 | onebitxajax | i think no |
| 14:38.23 | aswen | onebitxajax, the driver of your touchpad (normally it's either synaptics or another one of which I can't remember the now) |
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| 14:39.14 | onebitxajax | aswen: how can i lnow witch one is? |
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| 14:39.27 | aswen | lspci |
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| 14:40.13 | boch | hi all |
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| 14:40.31 | onebitxajax | aswen: http://paste.debian.net/246956/ witch one is? |
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| 14:41.23 | onebitxajax | aswen: i can move the mouse ith mousepad but i can't tap it |
| 14:41.25 | boch | do you know what mean UDP source port is zero? I am sniffing SIP protocol (udp) using ngrep and i see packets coming from x.x.x.x:0 |
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| 14:42.10 | aswen | babilen, while reading the comments in initramfs.conf I start wondering if this would solve my problem. I mean, there's only text about diskdrivers, while I need my usb keyboard to work during boot when I boot with my lid closed when my laptop is docked and I need to enter the passphrase of my root volume... |
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| 14:43.07 | onebitxajax | boch: boch http://compnetworking.about.com/od/tcpip/p/port-numbers-0.htm |
| 14:43.10 | onebitxajax | :) |
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| 14:43.55 | aswen | so, would setting Modules to most actually solve my problem? |
| 14:44.02 | aswen | onebitxajax, have a sec |
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| 14:45.17 | aswen | onebitxajax, wait, if you can move your mouse using the pad you might have to enable tapping using synclient TapButton1=1 |
| 14:45.34 | boch | onebitxajax, port zero is set and system will use a random one, the same with proto, once chosen a random one, you work with it, not with zero |
| 14:46.28 | onebitxajax | aswen: i learn something new. But i don't undertsand w~hy is not under system configuration |
| 14:46.57 | onebitxajax | boch: i read some article that say f not present, use 0 |
| 14:47.00 | aswen | onebitxajax, me neither ;-) |
| 14:47.16 | onebitxajax | i go ask kde |
| 14:48.10 | boch | onebitxajax, try to send a packet to port 0 and tell me what happens |
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| 14:53.12 | Stadtpirat | Hi, is it common practise that `make uninstall` deletes also config files?? |
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| 14:58.35 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: That entirely depends on the mood of the author of that Makefile. That's also the reason why you should install everything over a package manager. |
| 14:59.39 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: Installing from source is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you get. |
| 14:59.43 | jhutchins_wk | How does one check the md5sum of an iso on Windows? |
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| 14:59.52 | Stadtpirat | petn-randall: There are no packages of that software, only sources. :( |
| 14:59.59 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: one googles md5sum.exe |
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| 15:00.08 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: Which software? |
| 15:00.11 | Stadtpirat | cherokee |
| 15:00.30 | petn-randall | ,versions cherokee |
| 15:00.31 | judd | Package: cherokee on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.8-5+squeeze1 |
| 15:00.44 | Stadtpirat | Yeah, it's like installing windows 3.11 ;) |
| 15:00.48 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Should that info not be a part of the CD faq? |
| 15:01.18 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: it could be. On the other hand, in your particular case you're probably able to find it on your own |
| 15:01.26 | Stadtpirat | judd: Sorry, I was not exact. There are only years old versions on cherokee in the repositories. |
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| 15:02.19 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: judd is a bot :) |
| 15:02.26 | jhutchins_wk | This constant ageism is tiring. |
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| 15:02.28 | jelly | Stadtpirat: yeah, the fact it's only in current stable (codename squeeze) implies it has been removed from debian recently and is not really maintained well |
| 15:02.29 | Stadtpirat | petn-randall: interesting ^^ |
| 15:03.17 | babilen | judd: bug rm cherokee |
| 15:03.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/670298 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: cherokee -- ROM; RC-buggy for too long, maintainer no longer involved, RFA produced no (real) results»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-04-24; last modified: 2012-05-27. |
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| 15:07.10 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: There was a current version of it in sid, if you can get the sources you can build it for your system. It'll be a bit cleaner approach than building from source. |
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| 15:07.54 | fender0107401 | How know xdebug. |
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| 15:08.22 | fender0107401 | I installed it on debian 6, but it doese't show errors. |
| 15:09.19 | petn-randall | fender0107401: Have you checked the documentation how to use it yet? |
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| 15:11.31 | Chelsea | Hi all, noobish question, what happens when in compile (configure, make, make install) a newer version of a program that's allready installed? Will it be neatly updated? |
| 15:11.31 | fender0107401 | I googled a few howtos |
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| 15:11.54 | Chelsea | /in/i/ |
| 15:11.58 | petn-randall | Chelsea: No. |
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| 15:12.35 | petn-randall | Chelsea: If you install something from source, it'll usually go to /opt or /usr/local/ or whatever the author of the Makefile thought was a great idea. |
| 15:12.54 | Stadtpirat | petn-randall: even sid is ooooold. 1-2 years if I am correct. |
| 15:13.26 | Chelsea | petn-randall, so i should just manuall remove the binary? |
| 15:13.37 | petn-randall | Chelsea: And you'll have to do dependency resolution and updates by hand. |
| 15:13.45 | Stadtpirat | And it's not that bad anyway. I was just asking whether conf files are usually deleted by `make uninstall` :) I got the answer. Thanks, of course |
| 15:13.54 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: sid has 1.2.101, which is the latest version you can get on their website ... |
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| 15:14.15 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: If that's 1-2 years old, your project hasn't released since then ... |
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| 15:14.19 | Chelsea | ok, thanks. |
| 15:15.11 | Stadtpirat | petn-randall: It has. I am following development. It has been asleep while ... the maintenance of the website and stugg. They are on github now and it's been worked on. Current Version is 1.2.103, but there was a lot going on since 101. |
| 15:15.38 | petn-randall | Chelsea: If you really have a good reason to update a program, try to do it with the package management system. Check if it's in backports, if not, backport it yourself and install the packages you generated. |
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| 15:18.22 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: If you're taking part in development, it'll probably be fairly easy to pull a working version out of the git repo. But basing your application on this isn't probably a good idea if the project is borderline dead. :/ |
| 15:19.24 | Chelsea | petn-randall, What do you mean by backporting it myself? Building deb's? What skills are required to do that? |
| 15:19.37 | petn-randall | !backports |
| 15:19.37 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 15:20.05 | Chelsea | !backport caveat |
| 15:20.05 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
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| 15:20.47 | petn-randall | Chelsea: If you're not scared of typing a few commands, you'll probably get along fine. What package in question are we talking about? |
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| 15:21.59 | Chelsea | petn-randall, I like my shell commands yes ;) though I've never built a debfile. The package is VIT, an ncurses taskwarrior frontend |
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| 15:24.50 | petn-randall | Chelsea: taskwarrior is already in debian. |
| 15:24.53 | petn-randall | ,versions task |
| 15:24.54 | judd | Package: task on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.2-1; sid: 2.0.0-1; wheezy: 2.0.0-1; experimental: 2.1.2-1 |
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| 15:26.31 | petn-randall | Chelsea: vit isn't, so you'll have to bite the bullet and install that piece of software by hand. |
| 15:27.24 | Chelsea | petn-randall, I managed to do that, and figured out the right dependancy. Where can I find out how to make a debfile out of this information? |
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| 15:28.06 | petn-randall | Chelsea: You'd have to package it. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 15:28.39 | petn-randall | Chelsea: If you want to package it, it's easiest to pick a similar package, and how that source package is set up under debian/ |
| 15:28.50 | petn-randall | *see |
| 15:29.36 | zykotick9 | Chelsea: if the source packages are coming from sid, see "/msg dpkg ssb" for an alternative to manual packaging |
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| 15:31.36 | Chelsea | That guide is a lot to read |
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| 15:38.33 | mikehaas763 | is there a page where I can see what package versions wheezy will include? |
| 15:38.49 | jordanm | mikehaas763, packages.debian.org |
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| 15:40.42 | mikehaas763 | thansk |
| 15:40.56 | Chelsea | petn-randall, I'm not afraid of "a few commands" but building a package takes a lot more! :) |
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| 15:42.12 | jordanm | Chelsea, depends on the software and the complexity of the build system. if it's for personal use dh_make alone can generate enough build a source package |
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| 15:44.02 | jhutchins_wk | cherokee hasn't updated since October 2011. |
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| 15:44.33 | jhutchins_wk | They recommend using the Debian packages. |
| 15:44.33 | GREENBIBOY | http://www.reddit.com/r/spanishporn/comments/1bkvxq/spanish_girl_fucked_hard/ |
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| 15:47.05 | Chelsea | jordanm, that's a nice tool to get my feet wet with packaging. Thanks! |
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| 15:49.49 | babilen | Chelsea: Just in case you want to install it locally -- Take a look at stow to manage "installations" to /usr/local -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 15:50.35 | babilen | Chelsea: But dh_make et al are discussed in the new maintainer's guide .. It's worth a read and you are more than welcome to ask questions in #debian-mentors over at irc.oftc.net if you run into problems. |
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| 15:55.09 | Chelsea | babilen, it's a long read, but i'll do that. Packaging seems like a nice way of contributing. |
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| 16:02.59 | PigDude | pardon me but i can't find this ... which texlive/latex package provides latex2pdf command? |
| 16:03.50 | jhutchins_wk | !apt-file |
| 16:03.50 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 16:05.14 | PigDude | thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 16:05.33 | PigDude | and actually i already have pdflatex it seems, i was looking for the wrong thing |
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| 16:10.55 | Lukemob | Hello guys. I've got just a quick question, let's say I have running Debian server configured with Xen. Am I now able to create lvm and use it? Or should LVM be "built" on new system only? |
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| 16:12.06 | Lukemob | I don't really want to hurt running VM's or running filesystem |
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| 16:15.28 | JasonWoof | wow, sdl2 just hit unstable. is that going to make it into wheezy? |
| 16:15.34 | JasonWoof | please please? |
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| 16:16.01 | JasonWoof | seems kinda late |
| 16:16.12 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof: almost certainly not |
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| 16:16.33 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof: but if you're interested in it, you can probably convince the maintainers to backport it soon after wheezy releases. |
| 16:16.43 | JasonWoof | oh, good point |
| 16:17.16 | JasonWoof | well, I've waited 10 years for SDL to be released... I can probably wait another 2-3 years before it's in all the major distros |
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| 16:19.12 | JasonWoof | ... actually "waited" is a strong word. I wasn't sure it would ever be released |
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| 16:20.42 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof: heh. Well, it looks like since it got uploaded to unstable, that at least the maintainer is interested in making that happen |
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| 16:20.55 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof: and I'm certain that if it's something you're interested in, more help would be welcome |
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| 16:21.49 | petn-randall | Lukemob: I'll give a shot at your question, though it's not well defined. Yes, you can use LVM on new or already running machines. It'll give you an abstraction layer between filesystem partition and disks. Depending on how your setup is, this may be what you want ... or not. |
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| 16:22.03 | JasonWoof | dondelelcaro: like testing it? |
| 16:22.43 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof: and triaging/replicating bugs, etc. |
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| 16:27.46 | terr1 | Anyone got experience with grsecurity? Should it be used on webservers or overkill? |
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| 16:30.36 | raz | hrm, trying to backport a package here from wheezy but 'apt-get -b source' bails out with "dh_autoreconf --as-needed: Unknown option: as-needed" |
| 16:31.06 | raz | it seems my dh_autoreconf is too old, but.. am i now supposed to backport the debhelper toolchain first? ;) |
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| 16:32.33 | dave3243 | what uuup |
| 16:32.57 | babilen | raz: Which package is it? |
| 16:32.58 | petn-randall | raz: looks like too old/missing build-deps. You can either backport you toolchain, or exchange it through an equivalent command in your older buildchain. |
| 16:33.02 | raz | babilen: mpg123 |
| 16:33.08 | babilen | judd: checkbackport mpg123 |
| 16:33.10 | judd | Backporting package mpg123 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 16:33.14 | raz | i'm using this command (as by the guides) N=mpg123 && aptitude build-dep $PN && apt-get -b source $PN |
| 16:33.22 | raz | PN=mpg123 && aptitude build-dep $PN && apt-get -b source $PN |
| 16:33.25 | raz | (sorry faulty paste) |
| 16:33.26 | babilen | Hmm, looks as if the build-dependencies have been declared incorrectly. |
| 16:33.53 | babilen | raz: fwiw, would upgrading to wheezy be an option? We are so close to the release that I don't quite see the point of backporting anymore. |
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| 16:34.14 | raz | babilen: sorry, can't risk it on that server |
| 16:34.24 | raz | i'll rather compile my own mpg123 but i'd prefer if i didn't have to |
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| 16:35.24 | raz | is there perhaps an easy workaround? :) |
| 16:35.37 | raz | (i'm not very familiar with the packaging internals) |
| 16:36.33 | babilen | raz: Sure, was simply mentioning it. |
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| 16:37.02 | raz | thing is i need to roll it out to a farm of transcode workers, so i'd have to upgrade all of them |
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| 16:37.17 | raz | (just realized that) |
| 16:37.18 | babilen | ,v debhelper |
| 16:37.20 | judd | Package: debhelper on i386 -- squeeze: 8.0.0; squeeze-backports: 9.20120608~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 9.20120909~bpo60+1; sid: 9.20120909; wheezy: 9.20120909 |
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| 16:37.36 | babilen | raz: get debhelper from backports and try it with that please |
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| 16:38.44 | raz | it seems i already have that |
| 16:38.47 | raz | 9.20120909~bpo60+1 |
| 16:39.06 | raz | apparently my above invocation installed it because i have backports in the sources.list |
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| 16:39.58 | raz | i also looked at backporting dh_helper, but that depends on libtool, and seems to chain to just about everything |
| 16:40.04 | babilen | ah, it is dh_autoreconf |
| 16:40.10 | babilen | judd: v dh-autoreconf |
| 16:40.11 | raz | err dh_autoreconf |
| 16:40.12 | judd | Package: dh-autoreconf on i386 -- squeeze: 2; sid: 7; wheezy: 7 |
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| 16:40.23 | babilen | judd: checkbackport dh-autoreconf |
| 16:40.25 | judd | Backporting package dh-autoreconf in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 16:40.33 | halfie | hi, does the linker/compiler in Debian automatically ignores the "-pie" flag when applied to DSOs ? |
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| 16:41.29 | babilen | raz: backport that first and install it ... mpg123 should use a versioned build-dependency on dh-autoreconf. Would you mind reporting that bug against mpg123? |
| 16:41.51 | raz | babilen: when i try to install the backported dh-autoreconf it says |
| 16:42.04 | raz | dh-autoreconf depends on libtool (>= 2.4.2); however: Version of libtool on system is 2.2.6b-2 |
| 16:42.13 | raz | i'm a bit scared to backport libtool, too |
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| 16:43.31 | raz | ah i think i'll just compile it from source.. :) |
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| 16:45.10 | petn-randall | raz: That won't make the deployment any easier ... :/ |
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| 16:45.41 | raz | petn-randall: i'm checking how hard it is to make a static binary |
| 16:45.53 | jelly | ,v libtool |
| 16:45.54 | judd | Package: libtool on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.6b-2; wheezy: 2.4.2-1.1; sid: 2.4.2-1.2 |
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| 16:46.18 | jelly | huh, I'd have sworn it was in squeeze-backports already |
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| 16:53.52 | ed8 | hi, is there a way to detect if a package exist in the repo ? |
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| 16:54.26 | ed8 | aptitude search and apt-cache search return 0 if no packge was found |
| 16:55.50 | zykotick9 | ed8: keep your ubuntu support questions in #ubuntu please |
| 16:56.21 | ed8 | zykotick9: isn't apt/aptitude available on debian |
| 16:56.43 | ed8 | and I'm running on Linux Mint |
| 16:56.55 | petn-randall | ed8: Crossposting is frowned upon, and if you're not running Debian, you shouldn't ask here ... |
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| 16:57.15 | petn-randall | ed8: btw, Mint is not Debian. |
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| 16:58.09 | ed8 | I'm not asking about a front-end issue here, but debian/ubuntu package. I already went to #ubuntu they have no idea |
| 16:59.08 | ed8 | my aptitude manpage state an author using @debian.org, so I reckon #debian is the right channel |
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| 16:59.42 | boudiccas | !lmde |
| 16:59.42 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 17:00.39 | ed8 | is this really going to change the exit status of the package ? |
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| 17:01.37 | boudiccas | ed8: how many more times do you have to be told, we cannot and will not support you here, you are not running Debian |
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| 17:03.21 | ed8 | this is stupid policy, you're fragmenting linux usage by pushing differences |
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| 17:06.26 | daemonkeeper | ed8: So what? |
| 17:06.27 | TheWarden | where is the login screen settings (auto login) stored? |
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| 17:12.51 | TheWarden | I'm using LXDE with gdm3... there must be some file or files that stores the login screen settings..... |
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| 17:13.54 | zykotick9 | TheWarden: with gdm3 i'd GUESS the setting are actually stored in the gconf database-thing, rather then any config file(s) |
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| 17:15.12 | TheWarden | zykotick9: which is kept where? I looked in the ~/.gconf but I don't see anything that appears to be related. |
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| 17:16.28 | zykotick9 | TheWarden: i have no idea... good luck. you could try gconf-edit (or something similar in name) |
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| 17:17.07 | zykotick9 | TheWarden: stating what you REALLY want to do, might give teh channel a better idea on suggestions |
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| 17:21.22 | TheWarden | I'm wanting to find the files that stores the settings for auto login when using LXDE with gdm3. The reason for this is because I want to copy these files and have them installed within a custom Debian installer to have this already setup automatically. |
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| 17:23.24 | iceisfun | i just setup a zfs fs on some SSDs and started pulling content in and some directories with ~32k files are very slow doing stuff like LS |
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| 17:23.37 | boudiccas | TheWarden: have you had a look at the man page for it? |
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| 17:27.28 | mallxs | hi. trying to get static address in the udhcp.conf .... is that still done with host .... in the config file and how do i test it ? |
| 17:27.42 | TheWarden | boudiccas: I'm trying actually to look into the man pages but so far I haven't found anything. |
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| 17:29.30 | boudiccas | TheWarden: even this ? gdm3 maintains information about the displays it is managing in /var/lib/gdm3. This includes xauth information, so this directory is not readable to normal users. |
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| 17:31.57 | ksuhku | TheWarden, I believe it's set in /etc/gdm/custom.conf |
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| 17:33.15 | TheWarden | boudiccas: yes I have checked that, it's not it as far as I can tell. |
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| 17:35.00 | TheWarden | ksuhku: I don't seem to have that file. I did find however /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf which does state to auto login with the user I set but there is no password or reference to where the password would be stored. I would need this file plus some other file where the password is stored. |
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| 17:38.15 | TheWarden | wait a minute it doesn't prompt me for a password... so I guess I don't need one. I just need this file. |
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| 18:03.28 | clownish | hey. i recently installed wheezy on my thinkpad T61, and now i notice a faint clicking-sound when scrolling. any ideas? |
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| 18:07.42 | kAPU3 | why doesn't my audio work with my amplifier+speakers although I plug it in the same jack as I plug my headphones, and the headphones work just fine |
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| 18:07.51 | kAPU3 | this worked fine in windows |
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| 18:10.04 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 18:10.09 | lenswipe | does debian have gnome shell yet? |
| 18:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | kAPU3, because you didn't switch them on / plugged in the power cable |
| 18:10.27 | kAPU3 | that's not the case |
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| 18:12.33 | zykotick9 | lenswipe: wheezy uses, or tries to use, gnome3 (gnome-shell) by default |
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| 18:13.26 | lenswipe | zykotick9, when I say gnome shell I'm referring to something like this: http://seilo.geekyogre.com/uploads/2010/12/Screenshot.png |
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| 18:13.34 | sparadokos | What package can I use apt-get install for the laptop items? Seems the cd I have does only standard system utillities and debian desktop environment. No other selections |
| 18:13.50 | lenswipe | zykotick9, is that what you're referring to to? (just so we're on the same page) |
| 18:13.56 | zykotick9 | lenswipe: yes, i know what gnome-shell is, and yes that's the default in wheezy |
| 18:14.01 | lenswipe | okay |
| 18:14.14 | lenswipe | I'm running squeeze on my desktop - is there any way to install that |
| 18:14.21 | lenswipe | or get my desktop to upgrade to wheezy so I can |
| 18:14.26 | zykotick9 | nope, youll just break things |
| 18:14.33 | lenswipe | can I upgrade to wheezy? |
| 18:14.37 | lenswipe | dist-upgrade or something |
| 18:14.37 | zykotick9 | yes |
| 18:14.44 | ksuhku | sparadokos, "laptop items"? |
| 18:14.46 | zykotick9 | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:14.54 | lenswipe | ?? |
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| 18:15.14 | Tr4sK | Hi, it is possible to start the installation of debian automaticaly. Without any graphical interfaces ? |
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| 18:15.26 | zykotick9 | lenswipe: try "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for details |
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| 18:16.05 | sparadokos | ksuhku: when I installed squeeze then wheezy with the dvd it had package selection's. One of which was laptop. I believe it is the meta name to install battery and a few other items. This cd I have has only desktop and standard system as options to install. |
| 18:16.48 | sparadokos | ksuhku: *software selection, of new isntallation |
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| 18:17.22 | zykotick9 | sparadokos: assuming you have network connection, you could install the "task-laptop" meta-package after install |
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| 18:17.44 | sparadokos | zykotick9: is that the same as what the dvd has on it? |
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| 18:18.23 | zykotick9 | sparadokos: of course, that package is the same as the tasksel package during install... |
| 18:19.47 | sparadokos | zykotick9: :) I'm just trying to make sure Im doing this right. Did a dist upgrade and my system was wonkey for a bit locking up randomly with video artifacts here and there. So doing a fresh install and the only cd iso I found for xfce Wheezy seems to be a minimal one. |
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| 18:21.31 | zykotick9 | sparadokos: YMMV, but if i use gnome3 on my current wheezy box, i too get lockups... for me not a big issue, as i was only testing gnome3, it's not what i really use. hopefully you'll have better luck then i did. |
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| 18:22.02 | M-16 | the iceweasel included in wheezy make my cpu run at 100% every time there are flash contents in a page. i tried the latest firefox and it works fine. I hope this iceweasel will not be the final one included in wheezy |
| 18:22.27 | zykotick9 | M-16: wheezy is frozen, so it will be. |
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| 18:22.43 | sparadokos | zykotick9: I also had gnome 3 installed but just use xfce as main. Both seem to lockup randomly. Cann't duplicate it. So thinking of a fresh install might fix something I missed. And TY! |
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| 18:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell Tr4sK about preseeding |
| 18:23.48 | M-16 | Zyferus, then they have frozen a package that works bad |
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| 18:24.54 | zykotick9 | M-16: ahhh, flash is always bad. and not a "real" debian package... backports being integrated into main for wheezy _might_ help though? |
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| 18:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | M-16: Iceweasel doesn't play flash - that's whatever plugin you've configured. |
| 18:26.27 | M-16 | jhutchins_wk, then why it works better or worse if i change browser? |
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| 18:27.37 | jhutchins_wk | M-16: To what? |
| 18:28.18 | M-16 | jhutchins_wk, to firefox 10.0.2 or to opera |
| 18:28.21 | zykotick9 | M-16: are you aware of mozilla.debian.net? you can get updated iceweasel versions there |
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| 18:29.33 | M-16 | zykotick9, yes i am and i'm usinf firefox right now, but since wheezy is going to be the stable release would be nice if a so important package would work well |
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| 18:31.15 | jhutchins_wk | M-16: Ok, firefox is EXACTLY the same code as iceweasel. A different version might handle flash better or worse, but probably not - again, it's handled by the plugin. |
| 18:31.36 | jhutchins_wk | Opera handles plugins differently and may use html5 instead of flash. |
| 18:32.08 | wernkebm | what about chrome? That's a good browser imo |
| 18:32.15 | jhutchins_wk | M-16: Changing the firefox/iceweasel code won't fix flash, and we can't change the flash player code. |
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| 18:33.21 | jhutchins_wk | wernkebm: It tries to use html5 where possible, don't know how it haldles flash. I've had trouble with pages that use java and flash functions (as opposed to video).\ |
| 18:33.31 | M-16 | jhutchins_wk, ok, ty |
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| 18:34.29 | zykotick9 | wernkebm: IMO i don't think out-of-repo non-free browsers are ever a "good" suggestion in #debian |
| 18:34.43 | jhutchins_wk | M-16: You may find newer versions of iceweasel at http://mozilla.debian.net although last I looked the latest were in the main repos or backports. |
| 18:35.23 | zeroni | How to find which all hardware devices do not have a driver loaded ? |
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| 18:39.18 | jhutchins_wk | zeroni: Why do you think there are any? |
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| 19:21.43 | debinick | hello. how can I change the brightness in lxde on wheezy? |
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| 19:22.32 | jhutchins_wk | debinick: Possibly with xrandr if it's a software setting. |
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| 19:23.12 | debinick | jhutchins_wk: thanks, do you know what comand is it? sorry for my bad english |
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| 19:27.10 | DammitJim | when one reads the %CPU using TOP, is it 353 because it counts each CPU as up to 100%? |
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| 19:29.02 | jordanm | DammitJim, yes |
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| 19:29.58 | DammitJim | ty |
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| 19:30.12 | michaelis | Hi. I'm using debian wheezy and I'm having problems with my wireless Centrino N2230. |
| 19:30.45 | michaelis | dmesg says iwlwifi 0000:08:00.0: firmware: agent aborted loading iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode (not found?) but it's right there in /lib/firmware. |
| 19:30.56 | michaelis | Any ideas? |
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| 19:32.08 | jordanm | michaelis, the module may need to be unloaded and and reinserted after placing the firmware file |
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| 19:32.53 | michaelis | jordanm, Is it iwlagn? |
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| 19:33.23 | jordanm | michaelis, iwlwifi |
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| 19:33.31 | michaelis | I did a mobprobe -r iwlagn and then modprobe iwlagn afterwards. But it didn't help. |
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| 19:33.41 | michaelis | jordanm, Ok. |
| 19:33.45 | jordanm | ,file iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode |
| 19:33.49 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 19:33.59 | jordanm | ,file iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode --release wheezy |
| 19:34.03 | judd | Search for iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode in wheezy/i386: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode |
| 19:34.41 | jparkton | is there a simple method akin to windows ICS sharing connections from the wifi on wlan0 to my eth0 going to the router? |
| 19:34.54 | michaelis | judd, Should the file be directly under /lib/firmware? |
| 19:35.19 | petn-randall | michaelis: judd is a bot. |
| 19:35.24 | inthl | I am using kernel 3.2 and ext4 for my partitions. I am having some issues with performance because of the fact that a partition which is mainly used to access and store data with some TB at all, spread across millions and millions of files - it is like fragmentation getting pretty much slow. dir_index is enabled and the mount poins are auto,rw,noatime,nodiratime,nodev,nosuid,nouser,async - any ideas what else to do? I could also |
| 19:35.24 | inthl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.39 | ompaul | get more hardware and test |
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| 19:36.46 | michaelis | petn-randall, Ok. I downloaded the file from wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi |
| 19:36.56 | petn-randall | inthl: Nope. Did you upgrade this filesystem from ext3? |
| 19:37.09 | michaelis | jordanm, So I unloaded and inserted the module but it didn't help. |
| 19:37.12 | inthl | no, it was ext4 all the time rom the beginning |
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| 19:37.36 | ompaul | inthl: and that's a great answer given you can't take it off line - also depends on the amount of people who want access to files and speed of disks and organisation of files |
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| 19:38.01 | inthl | 20 000 people want access to that data 24/7 |
| 19:38.03 | petn-randall | michaelis: install firmware-iwlwifi. |
| 19:38.15 | ompaul | inthl: get lots more hardware |
| 19:38.35 | ompaul | that's like 1k people per hour but I guess they don't appear like that |
| 19:38.41 | inthl | well even if I get more disks and stuff - the amout of files stays |
| 19:38.46 | michaelis | petn-randall, In which package do I find it? |
| 19:39.01 | michaelis | petn-randall, It says it's referred to by another package. |
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| 19:39.10 | inthl | 50 accesses per second are the average, on all these files wildly spread |
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| 19:39.48 | inthl | is there no way to rebuild the index without unmounting the FS ? |
| 19:39.52 | michaelis | petn-randall, Is it in the non-free repository? |
| 19:40.06 | petn-randall | michaelis: You probably don't have non-free in your sources.list. |
| 19:40.13 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell michaelis -about non-free |
| 19:40.30 | inthl | I am trying e4defrag on all the files, that takes a while and defragments, but the index is not being updated, that is the point |
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| 19:41.06 | inthl | any ideas perhaps about additional mount options? |
| 19:41.24 | michaelis | petn-randall, Your right. I'm taking care of the problem right now. |
| 19:42.01 | petn-randall | inthl: It's pretty much a dead end here. You'll have to take the filesystem offline to do e2fsck -D, or to upgrade the hardware. |
| 19:42.17 | petn-randall | inthl: Only other idea is, is this on a RAID? |
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| 19:42.54 | inthl | yes it is, software raid level 1. I could defragment one disk - but the issue is that the data would be altered in the meanwhile |
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| 19:43.04 | inthl | because write-operations are being performed as well all the time |
| 19:43.18 | petn-randall | inthl: Then you can defrag it ... |
| 19:43.22 | petn-randall | *can't |
| 19:43.58 | inthl | hm, is there some modern fs that could do that online? I have no experience with btrfs |
| 19:44.32 | petn-randall | inthl: You can't migrate to btrfs online ... |
| 19:45.20 | inthl | yes I know, this is just for future decisions - I may migrate the data to another host, that one would use btrfs then |
| 19:45.46 | petn-randall | inthl: btrfs isn't stable AFAIR, and it has performance issues in some corners. |
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| 19:46.05 | inthl | if this fs supports that op? AFAIK btrfs did not even have defrag (just "in theory" it was there) |
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| 19:47.09 | michaelis_ | petn-randall, It works! Thank you very much for your help. And you to jordanm. |
| 19:47.17 | inthl | hm. so besides the fact that ext4 does not support online index rebuilds, could one recommend a specific fs for my needs? I think I did the best decision with ext4 here, althow this is a drawback with the index |
| 19:47.50 | michaelis_ | petn-randall, But how did you know which package it was? It this something I can find out for myself? |
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| 19:48.43 | ompaul | you want to (A) spread the load over several disks, (B) same FS (do your own research about good for small files) (C) fast disks |
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| 19:49.14 | michaelis_ | petn-randall, Never mind. I found it on the debian packages page. |
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| 19:49.47 | michaelis_ | God night (21:50 in Sweden) and God bless. |
| 19:50.07 | petn-randall | michaelis_: apt-file will tell you |
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| 19:50.57 | petn-randall | inthl: How do you know your fs is fragmented? On all my filesystems I hardly get it to fragment above 0.1%. |
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| 19:51.17 | petn-randall | 1% |
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| 19:54.06 | ompaul | inthl: how much spare room have you got? |
| 19:54.09 | inthl | I guess the dir_index is an issue. e4defrag gets to 20% on another partition that is used the same way (but smaller in size, so I did a defrag on the entire partition). The access was much faster a year ago - the TB of data were migrated in one piece, today it is slower, since the amount of data is nearly the same and nothing else changed, I suspect the index, since all files are subject of change - also by means of deleting & c |
| 19:54.09 | inthl | reating new ones |
| 19:54.13 | inthl | 15-20% |
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| 19:54.39 | ompaul | inthl: for millions of entries ... |
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| 19:54.49 | ompaul | or a million entries |
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| 19:56.09 | ompaul | inthl: you want to have room on your inode tables you want to have room everywhere about 35% is very comfortable |
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| 19:56.40 | inthl | for. I mean that as much data gets deleted from the disk, as much is being created - so the index should be some kind of mixed up |
| 19:56.47 | petn-randall | inthl: more RAM will always help to cache more fs lookups. |
| 19:57.10 | inthl | hm, more RAM is always nice :> |
| 19:57.18 | ompaul | inthl: boost the box you don't do that you won't keep on top of it |
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| 19:58.57 | ompaul | inthl: less than 20% increases the chances of fragmentation |
| 19:59.16 | ompaul | thinks that's as much use as I can offer to inthl |
| 19:59.34 | inthl | well, besides such an answer (I am also aware of), I was looking for alternative possibilities to tune the current situation. The system is going to be upgraded soon, however a current index rebuild would help in the meantime, since I am not talking about tomorrow or next week until that update |
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| 19:59.59 | ompaul | then you take it off line or you forget about your thoughts |
| 20:00.10 | inthl | hm yea :/ |
| 20:00.11 | petn-randall | inthl: I doubt an index rebuild will any measurable difference. |
| 20:00.16 | petn-randall | *do |
| 20:00.28 | ompaul | inthl: get more disk space to start off seriously |
| 20:00.40 | ompaul | inthl: as I said all this already now I'm repeating myself |
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| 20:01.36 | petn-randall | inthl: RAID10 will also give you more performance, depending on the layout options. |
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| 20:09.17 | listenpreis | hi |
| 20:09.30 | listenpreis | is there a way to make the CLI resolution 1920x1080? |
| 20:09.51 | listenpreis | oh I see.. only VESA |
| 20:09.53 | listenpreis | sucks |
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| 20:14.47 | listenpreis | hello |
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| 20:15.25 | Ponch0 | Which ISO do I use for virtualbox? dvd or cd? |
| 20:15.33 | zykotick9 | listenpreis: my console runs at 1920x1200 |
| 20:16.05 | listenpreis | zykotick9: can you help me change that? |
| 20:16.20 | listenpreis | I see grub already runs with the resolution I set it to... (1280x1024) |
| 20:16.24 | zykotick9 | what graphics card (and driver) are you using? |
| 20:16.27 | listenpreis | but my console is still 640x480 |
| 20:16.28 | petn-randall | Ponch0: netinstall, unless you have no internet connection. |
| 20:16.40 | listenpreis | I am using a G2020 CPU with GPU inside |
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| 20:17.02 | listenpreis | microatx board with onboard stuff .. so intel gpu stuff |
| 20:17.15 | Ponch0 | petn-randall: i have the net, I would like to use debian through Virtualbox, Windows 8 is the main OS on the comp |
| 20:19.33 | zykotick9 | listenpreis: i don't have any resolution specified in my /etc/default/grub on my system, but look into the keep option for GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX best of luck. |
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| 20:22.46 | listenpreis | zykotick9: still there? |
| 20:22.55 | zykotick9 | yup |
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| 20:23.16 | listenpreis | so got an idea how to change the resolution? |
| 20:23.34 | zykotick9 | yes, look into that keep option. |
| 20:23.45 | listenpreis | keep option? where is that? |
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| 20:25.20 | zykotick9 | listenpreis: assuming grub is at correct resolution, try adding "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep" to /etc/default/grub. don't forget "update-grub" after making change ;) |
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| 20:25.58 | peterrooney | listenpreis: it's not anywhere. If it's mentioned anywhere in the grub documentation, I can't find it. you have to add an entry "set gfxpayload=keep" into at least one of the grub files |
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| 20:26.41 | peterrooney | the lack of didactic material on grub is ******* annoying. I hate you all. |
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| 20:27.59 | jhutchins_wk | Anything fully documented in linux is deprecated and obsolete. |
| 20:28.05 | peterrooney | ...err, um, it has to be set right after you set gfxmode |
| 20:29.06 | peterrooney | The best advice I ever recieved about programming: write the documentation first. Then it's easy to make the code right. |
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| 20:30.39 | peterrooney | Better even than the advice to not write HTML parsers in bash. |
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| 20:32.42 | AFlyingMonkey | if I have a folder named f owned by user auser and group agroup can user myuser who is also a part of agroup ls folder f? |
| 20:33.23 | ompaul | 700 no 770 yes |
| 20:33.33 | ompaul | iirc |
| 20:33.48 | petn-randall | AFlyingMonkey: If in doubt, try it out! |
| 20:34.13 | AFlyingMonkey | already ahve no dice |
| 20:34.17 | AFlyingMonkey | 770 on the folder |
| 20:34.24 | AFlyingMonkey | permission denied |
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| 20:37.56 | AFlyingMonkey | found it bad permissions on a parent directry |
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| 20:40.52 | TheWarden | petn-randall: sorry I lost Internet connection for a bit there. I changed postinst and preinst to dsivip.postinst and dsivip.preinst |
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| 20:43.01 | TheWarden | petn-randall: however, now I have major issues take a look. https://gist.github.com/thewarden/fa3d3f19cb00f5f5708a |
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| 20:43.40 | TheWarden | petn-randall: these are files that I would be installing... I thought it would just copy across but apparently I'm not doing something right. |
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| 20:49.20 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Check the contents of the package you get. It looks like your files are in "/usr/usr/..." and "/home/home/...". Check the new maintainer's guide on how the .install file should look like. |
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| 20:51.01 | listenpreis | zykotick9: hmm that new entry made everything go back to 640x480 |
| 20:51.25 | listenpreis | even the bootloader (blue thing) that already was good |
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| 20:52.21 | zykotick9 | listenpreis: i have no further suggestions? but obviously, you should undo the change i suspect. best of luck. |
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| 20:52.54 | listenpreis | how does your grub.cfg look like? |
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| 20:56.59 | Hans_Henrik | i need to switch my effective uid from 0 (root/superuser atm) to 33 , any idea how? |
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| 20:57.44 | amesha | hey everyone, i just did an apt update on my wheezy installation, and now my monitor goes off after 30 seconds of inactivity (i'm using kde, don't know if that's related) |
| 20:57.54 | amesha | it doesn't seem to be a screensaver issue, as far as i can tell |
| 20:58.02 | amesha | does anyone know what setting might have changed to cause that? |
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| 20:58.22 | petn-randall | amesha: Check the KDE power management. |
| 20:58.33 | krelvin | quick question about the Boot: prompt Need to install using framebuffer=false but the Wiki provides a string that does not work |
| 20:58.37 | petn-randall | amesha: Or screen options, it'll be there somewhere. |
| 20:59.35 | petn-randall | krelvin: You need to provide a little more context. |
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| 21:01.18 | krelvin | http://pastebin.com/CPXTA7Sn |
| 21:01.53 | krelvin | Debian 6.07 stable |
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| 21:03.07 | amesha | petn-randall, thanks |
| 21:04.09 | TheWarden | petn-randall: the package I get? I'm not getting a package, I put all these files here manually. Oh I have something wrong in the .install file? mmm |
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| 21:07.26 | TheWarden | petn-randall: this has been updated to show the dsivip.install, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/c596efe5cac8b3addd9a |
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| 21:11.58 | petn-randall | TheWarden: after the debuild -b run, you'll get a .deb in the directory above. Check that out. |
| 21:12.26 | TheWarden | petn-randall: yes I see the file there, but I'm confused what am I looking for? |
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| 21:13.26 | TheWarden | petn-randall: I'm reading this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#install does it mean that I shouldn't have my files in dsivip/home and dsivip/usr but rather in /dsivip/src/home/ and dsivip/src/usr/ ? |
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| 21:13.50 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Open it up with e.g. dpkg-deb, so you get some feedback on how the result is. |
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| 21:16.18 | TheWarden | petn-randall: yeah doing dpkg-deb -c dsivip_2.0.0_all.deb and its showing /usr/usr/.. and /home/home/... mmm I don't get why. It must have something to do with dsivip.install mmm |
| 21:17.02 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Yeah, check the docs to the .install file. I'm leaving, good luck and see you tomorrow! |
| 21:17.17 | TheWarden | petn-randall: okay, well thanks so much for your help! have a good done. |
| 21:17.21 | TheWarden | a good one* |
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| 21:21.09 | damianos | Please excuse the naive question but what are the limitations of Debian Gnu/kFreeBSD? Do X applications work? |
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| 21:23.35 | Stameni | assault |
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| 21:26.54 | Bernd187_ | damianos, isn´t it just the kernel wich differs? |
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| 21:27.20 | damianos | yes |
| 21:28.59 | damianos | GNU user land and BSD kernel. I believe the freebsd kernel has a certain amount of linux kernel emulation but I'm not sure to what extent |
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| 21:31.34 | ksuhku | damianos, looks like the answer is no x http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_Desktop |
| 21:31.41 | Hans_Henrik | damianos is correct btw; at least they have some system call lookup that finds the bsd-kernel-equivalent, iirc |
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| 21:33.39 | Bernd187_ | debian packages provieds most(even all?) packages for e.g. gnome -> should work... anyone else tired? |
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| 21:36.40 | ChibaPet | That wiki page was last edited in 2011. |
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| 21:40.28 | damianos | This video shows somebody running a full gnome desktop as of Feb 2011. Very preliminary overview though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z06b7UwaUWk |
| 21:42.22 | damianos | Also was wondering if since there is a BSD kernel if jails and ZFS were supported? |
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| 21:43.38 | daemonkeeper | damianos: Yes and yes. The former not being ported though. |
| 21:43.39 | grawity | Is it bad if I get "W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch"? |
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| 21:48.10 | damianos | daemonkeeper: I don't quite understand what you mean about jails not being ported. Are jails a no go? |
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| 21:48.47 | daemonkeeper | damianos: The kernel supports jails, but nobody ported the required user land to support it. |
| 21:48.53 | daemonkeeper | ZFS works though. |
| 21:49.03 | damianos | ah, thanks |
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| 21:49.13 | damianos | ZFS is amazing news |
| 21:49.23 | daemonkeeper | ZFS, pf, and more actually. |
| 21:49.35 | damianos | I'm going to go give it a spin in a VM. |
| 21:49.54 | damianos | thanks for answering my questions guys |
| 21:50.06 | daemonkeeper | Use Wheezy, which got much better ZFS installer support. |
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| 21:50.42 | damianos | will do |
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| 22:22.09 | cougnut | hi, I'm trying to use scanmem to search for a string. man pages say to use " but it seems to not work for me. Can anyone give me an example of searching for a string type with the program scanmem ? |
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| 22:23.56 | iceisfun | i have a directory thats taking ~5 min to do a "ls" |
| 22:23.57 | abrotman | #zfs might |
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| 22:32.50 | tigger0 | i have 2 2TB disks on my server and they should be set up as raid but /dev/md1 is only one of the disks… and /dev/sdb1 is "linux_raid_member" |
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| 22:33.10 | tigger0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.44 | tigger0 | http://pastie.org/pastes/7306239/text?key=v1c9yejakf51sobvbtg if anyone can help :) i'll bitcoin tip lol |
| 22:35.46 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: what partition table is that device? |
| 22:35.58 | tigger0 | how can i check that for you |
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| 22:36.32 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: it's GPT, as it should be. fdisk isn't going to show you anything useful. You need to use gparted or similar. |
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| 22:37.12 | tigger0 | k installing gparted |
| 22:37.15 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: parted -l /dev/sdb; or similar will give you the partition tables. |
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| 22:39.14 | tigger0 | dondelelcaro: http://pastie.org/pastes/7306275/text?key=jqy8s5tsvnx5xwbub8clyq |
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| 22:39.50 | tigger0 | that's both disks |
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| 22:41.18 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: ok, so you have two 2T drives. |
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| 22:41.31 | dondelelcaro | and presumably you have them in raid1 |
| 22:41.58 | tigger0 | presumably |
| 22:42.01 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: /proc/mdstat will tell you that |
| 22:42.05 | tigger0 | k |
| 22:42.15 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: so if you have them in raid1, you're only going to have 2T of space. |
| 22:42.37 | dondelelcaro | and it looks like the swap is in raid0 |
| 22:42.49 | dondelelcaro | though I've no idea why you'd do that |
| 22:42.50 | tigger0 | dondelelcaro: http://pastie.org/pastes/7306306/text?key=0dmujvzxtzp3vs9xa5wvaa |
| 22:43.10 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: right, so it's raid1. |
| 22:43.25 | tigger0 | how can i set it up so they're put together |
| 22:43.41 | tigger0 | instead of mirroring or whatever it's doing atm |
| 22:44.04 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: you can use raid0 if you want, but if either drive goes down, you'll lose all of the data |
| 22:44.10 | tigger0 | that's fine |
| 22:44.11 | tigger0 | :) |
| 22:44.17 | tigger0 | how do i change without having to reformat? |
| 22:44.22 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: you'll have to reformat. |
| 22:45.07 | dondelelcaro | well, it's actually possible to do it without reformatting if you have another 2T or larger drive, but that's kind of insane |
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| 22:45.34 | tigger0 | dondelelcaro: it says raid0 is on md0, and raid1 is on md1 |
| 22:45.42 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 22:48.29 | tigger0 | thank you for your help dondelelcaro i see the issue :) |
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| 22:50.02 | dondelelcaro | tigger0: cool |
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| 23:02.57 | TheWarden | gtg, take care all |
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| 23:27.48 | dioz | holy |
| 23:27.54 | dioz | debian hurd |
| 23:27.58 | dioz | takes a LOOONG time to install |
| 23:27.59 | dioz | minimal |
| 23:28.16 | Nik05 | define LOOONG |
| 23:28.27 | dioz | 1.6ghz single core |
| 23:28.29 | dioz | with 512 mb |
| 23:28.35 | dioz | and it's going on 1.5 hours |
| 23:28.59 | wolfmitchell | Anyoen know how I would use the debian-voip repo? |
| 23:29.03 | dioz | when it claims it's downloading tho it seems like it's going really slow |
| 23:29.10 | dioz | my network monitor only spiked twice |
| 23:29.15 | dioz | and i got 100mbit |
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| 23:30.19 | dioz | it's running in kvm w/ a debian host |
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| 23:37.17 | XeL64 | dioz where it's downloading ? |
| 23:37.33 | XeL64 | on which debian repo ? |
| 23:37.40 | acu | hey guys I have a weird situation here, I have a 4 TB HDD and the GRUB cannot install in /dev/sda |
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| 23:38.26 | acu | I know it has 1 MB in the first part (EMPTY) I cannot write to it, perhaps my hard disk is /dev/sdb ? |
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| 23:38.53 | jparkton | anyone know what I need to do to open my nexus tablet on debian? |
| 23:38.54 | XeL64 | could you see it with a fdisk -l (sudo or root) ? |
| 23:38.54 | Towzzer | what did you use to partition the drive? |
| 23:39.06 | dioz | usa debian.org mirror XeL64 |
| 23:39.25 | dioz | i haven't seen the CPU spike tho |
| 23:39.35 | dioz | it's been really low the whole time |
| 23:39.39 | XeL64 | it's on a dedicated or home servers ? |
| 23:39.44 | acu | Towzzer, are you asking me, it is the during installation |
| 23:39.56 | Towzzer | fdisk doesn't support gpt I would recommend against it |
| 23:39.57 | Towzzer | it's outdated |
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| 23:40.06 | dioz | home server, running solaris 11, fbsd 9, kfreebsd |
| 23:40.35 | Towzzer | acu, output of - parted /dev/sda print |
| 23:40.36 | acu | Towzzer, are you talking to me? Maybe is not MBR |
| 23:40.45 | XeL64 | dioz: already listen that kvm get bad perf on unix and kfreebsd |
| 23:40.59 | dioz | aah k |
| 23:41.05 | XeL64 | did you try jails ? |
| 23:41.56 | acu | OK, so it is GPT I did a fdisk -l and it shows |
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| 23:42.30 | dioz | XeL64: not yet |
| 23:42.51 | acu | XeL64, or Towzzer fdisk -l shows GPT so that is the problem, ? |
| 23:43.01 | Towzzer | oh, I didn't know fdisk supported gpt now |
| 23:43.01 | Towzzer | sorry |
| 23:43.31 | XeL64 | i believe you need to do some stuff with grub when using gpt |
| 23:43.35 | acu | does not matter if you are sorry :) --- GRUB does not install - and again there is 1 MB at the beginnign |
| 23:43.43 | jparkton | how do I mount my tablet as a drive so I can get some files from it? |
| 23:43.53 | acu | I see, so I have to format disk with MBR |
| 23:44.07 | Towzzer | you'll only get 2tb of space |
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| 23:44.15 | XeL64 | don't remember where i've read it but maybe you could use an smaller disk like a 8Gb ssd disk to put grub on ;) |
| 23:44.36 | XeL64 | acu: MBR doesn't support more than 2tb like say it Towzzer |
| 23:44.38 | acu | I will partition the hard |
| 23:44.44 | acu | so it is fine |
| 23:44.50 | Towzzer | grub doesn't boot from a regular bios on GPT partition tables, and MSDOS only supports 2TB |
| 23:45.08 | Towzzer | you can't get around this by making multiple 2TB partitions |
| 23:45.12 | Towzzer | it's the support of the entire disk |
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| 23:45.21 | acu | yes |
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| 23:45.37 | Towzzer | if you can do EFI then you can do it but that gets complicated |
| 23:45.44 | Towzzer | you can also try adding the boot to a usb drive |
| 23:45.58 | acu | OK, let me popit out and format it with MBR - what is weird - the the MotherBOard has EFI and BIOS |
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| 23:46.48 | acu | there is no way to format is as MBR if I have the installer disk, do I ? |
| 23:47.06 | XeL64 | maybe a way here to try : http://velenux.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/grub-failing-to-install-on-debianubuntu-with-gpt-partitions/ |
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| 23:49.54 | XeL64 | acu : i think so |
| 23:50.28 | XeL64 | acu : how many disks do you have and which capacity ? |
| 23:50.43 | acu | one 4 TB |
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| 23:50.56 | acu | planing to add two more one 3 and one 1.5 |
| 23:51.08 | acu | I already poppedit out, I have another machine |
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| 23:51.50 | XeL64 | acu : ok i believe you can't init your partition table with mbr |
| 23:52.33 | XeL64 | acu: you need to ask somebody else never try on a 4tb hdd |
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| 23:53.16 | acu | I just format it as MBR it was GPT (I useed DisktUtility in GNOME - let me see again) |
| 23:53.27 | dioz | hurd install is almost done |
| 23:53.31 | XeL64 | maybe you waste 2tb |
| 23:53.33 | dioz | just sitting at a blue screen right now |
| 23:53.36 | dioz | i'm so excited! |
| 23:53.44 | XeL64 | dioz: lol |
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| 23:56.35 | rigid | ahoy |
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| 23:57.25 | rigid | what is a good way to host a .deb for someone who doesn't use a debian system? simple HTTP webspace? |
| 23:57.42 | jparkton | why not |
| 23:57.55 | rigid | i thought about creating a repository on github to put them in there, but i'm not sure if that makes sense |
| 23:58.23 | rigid | jparkton: because there might be better ways :) online platforms that make it easier for debian users to install it |
| 23:58.35 | Towzzer | all we want is a link we can wget |
| 23:58.37 | Towzzer | seriously |
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| 23:58.49 | rigid | ok |
| 23:58.51 | rigid | thank you |
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