| 00:00.53 | jparkton | also you said for a non debian system |
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| 00:01.01 | jparkton | unclear but ok |
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| 00:01.38 | rigid | jparkton: nah, the .deb's are for debian systems.. but I don't run a debian server where I could easily host an apt repository or similar |
| 00:01.55 | rigid | i found it's a bit of a pain to create .deb's on non-debian systems |
| 00:01.58 | jparkton | IIS? |
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| 00:02.48 | rigid | jparkton: iis? microsoft internet information services? :) |
| 00:02.55 | rigid | holds the cross on standby |
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| 00:03.24 | rigid | s/cross/cruzifix/g |
| 00:03.38 | rigid | darn... crucifix |
| 00:03.50 | rigid | needs sleep |
| 00:04.43 | rigid | i guess .deb's for the various architectures on webspace is the easiest way that works for everyone... for now |
| 00:04.54 | jparkton | just host the .deb in IIS FTP |
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| 00:05.22 | rigid | i wonder if I can install IIS on gentoo :-P |
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| 00:07.57 | acu | OK guys I am install wheezy Netinstall and it will install GNOME - is there a way not to install the games and all nonsense |
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| 00:08.35 | XeL64 | acu: don't install Desktop option do it on cli |
| 00:08.47 | eego | Does Debian notify updates of "testing" via RSS? |
| 00:09.24 | acu | XeL64, then just aptitude install gnome ? |
| 00:09.45 | jparkton | acu the games is part of the gnome project |
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| 00:09.56 | jparkton | you cant remove the games |
| 00:10.01 | acu | wao |
| 00:10.03 | XeL64 | acu : you need gnome ? maybe use xfce |
| 00:10.05 | acu | that is so nice |
| 00:10.13 | jparkton | xfce is a lot nicer |
| 00:10.22 | jparkton | plus you can customize the menus |
| 00:10.25 | acu | but about KDE is some minimal KDE installation ? |
| 00:10.51 | XeL64 | acu : don't forget to install a display manager :=) |
| 00:10.56 | acu | xfce: did not use almost at all - seems like debian potato :) |
| 00:11.14 | acu | well, if I install kde it will install kdm |
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| 00:12.11 | acu | I need logical volume management and it does not work in KDE |
| 00:12.17 | acu | lately I started using kde |
| 00:12.29 | acu | again |
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| 00:12.51 | XeL64 | acu: why not xfce ? |
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| 00:13.20 | acu | chicken :) I did not use it, and I need tools to be available, it seem almost baren |
| 00:13.24 | XeL64 | acu: i 've install xfce-session with slim, i like it ;) |
| 00:13.40 | acu | let me try it quick |
| 00:13.44 | acu | I install wheezy |
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| 00:14.15 | XeL64 | acu: you need to take more time if you install only that you want, maybe jparkton give you the best solution install gnome and remove games |
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| 00:16.49 | linux2 | I'm trying to setup kerberos + nfs, but all I can get it to do is error out when I try to connect. I followed these two pages but still not go: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/570 http://wiki.debian.org/NFS/Kerberos |
| 00:16.58 | linux2 | anyone here have any experience with setting this up? |
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| 00:17.53 | linux2 | when I try to connect to NFS it just gives this out in daemon.log: Apr 3 20:16:33 vbox-vm2 rpc.svcgssd[2233]: ERROR: GSS-API: error in handle_nullreq: gss_accept_sec_context(): GSS_S_FAILURE (Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information) - Wrong principal in request |
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| 00:36.21 | acu | XeL64, actually lxde is cute (and it downloads for install only 64 MB |
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| 00:36.49 | acu | so I need gdm to be installed ? |
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| 00:50.46 | tmer | hello, i am trying to setup a pptp server, on a VPS i have |
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| 00:51.17 | tmer | where it says to make localip the address of the server, will i use the IPaddress that the company sent me? |
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| 01:02.47 | pav5088 | How do I know if a package will be part of Wheezy release? The package "fabric" is part of Squeeze and Sid, but doesn't seem to be in Wheezy. |
| 01:03.08 | abrotman | pav5088: if it's not there at this point, probably won't be |
| 01:03.21 | boudiccas | ,v fabric |
| 01:03.23 | judd | Package: fabric on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.1-1; sid: 1.4.3-1 |
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| 01:03.40 | Towzzer | that's so strange |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | not really |
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| 01:04.46 | abrotman | pav5088: it only has one bug against it .. |
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| 01:05.17 | pav5088 | :-/ |
| 01:06.40 | pav5088 | So if the bug got fixed it would be in? (Though I seem to be more in the business of finding bugs, not so much fixing them) |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | doubtful .. doesn't seem like the maintainer wants it in wheezy for whatever reason |
| 01:07.27 | pav5088 | Hmmm... OK. |
| 01:08.55 | pav5088 | A pity... it's a useful sysadmin tool. |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | clusterssh and dancer shell can't work for you? |
| 01:09.34 | abrotman | or puppet/chef/salt/cfengine? |
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| 01:09.37 | markovh | file a bug report |
| 01:09.47 | markovh | or just email them directly |
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| 01:11.05 | abrotman | pav5088: the description says to also look at capistrano |
| 01:13.13 | pav5088 | abrotman, it's recommended for the Ganeti Web Manager... yeah yeah, web manager things suck... but users like them. The real gold is Ganeti ie. internal Google cloud solution aimed at cheap hardware - redundancy without requiring NAS or even RAID. |
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| 01:13.50 | abrotman | pav5088: so backport it yourself |
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| 01:15.04 | pav5088 | abrotman, *nods* yeah I can do that (and probably will) |
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| 01:31.43 | himuraken_ | Hi there, I feel as though I am missing something simple here, I have googled to no avail. Two identical debian hosts running KVM/libvirt. Shared NFS path and all things appear to be indentical (mount point of nfs/bridge name etc) but migration will not work. Tried via virsh and virt-manager with no luck. Here is the virsh error: error: operation failed: Migration unexpectedly failed. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 02:29.07 | azizLIGHTS | in midnight commander, mc, if i did a move operation, and i backgrounded it, how do i tell if its done or not, what the status is |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | foreground it ? |
| 02:31.09 | azizLIGHTS | how is that done |
| 02:32.15 | rwp | azizLIGHTS, http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Job-Control-Builtins.html |
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| 02:33.44 | azizLIGHTS | hmm i dont think thats what im looking for |
| 02:33.45 | rwp | azizLIGHTS, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/JobControl |
| 02:34.01 | rwp | You said you backgrounded it. |
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| 02:34.24 | rawng | I'm using pinning to mix unstable packages with testing, but for some programs aptitude search "abc" will only show the version in testing. is there something i'm doing wrong? if not how can i search for unstable packages? |
| 02:34.25 | azizLIGHTS | a dialog box came up in mc when i wanted to do the move operation, it had options to move, background, or cancel |
| 02:34.34 | azizLIGHTS | i think this is something spcific to mc, not job backgrounding |
| 02:34.55 | azizLIGHTS | i did jobs -l and nothings there |
| 02:35.02 | rwp | Then you will need to read the mc documentation. |
| 02:35.37 | rwp | rawng, How are you searching? With 'apt-cache search PATTERN' or something different? |
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| 02:35.45 | rawng | aptitude search PATTERN |
| 02:36.06 | rwp | If both testing and unstable are in sources.list and you have updated 'apt-get update' then 'apt-cache search PATTERN' will sohw both. |
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| 02:36.18 | rwp | Did you 'aptitude update'? |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | rawng: if you apt-cache policy, is there a package in both? is the version the same? |
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| 02:37.18 | rawng | I've updated, yes. I've checked packages.debian.org to verify that the versions in stable, testign and unstable are different |
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| 02:38.29 | rawng | I'm trying to install fvwm 2.6.5 from unstable, if it helps. testing has 2.5.30, which "aptitude show fvwm" confirms while unstable has 2.6.5 |
| 02:39.16 | rwp | rawng, So if you do 'apt-cache policy fvwm' then you will see all of the different versions. As abrotman suggested. Right? Try it. |
| 02:39.22 | rawng | I have software from a ppa (weechat) which aptitude search correctly shows the testing and unstable versions for |
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| 02:40.01 | rawng | ah, yes it shows the two versions |
| 02:40.14 | rawng | and the versions are different |
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| 02:41.04 | abrotman | rawng: might be easier for you to pastebin to show us the wonky behaviour |
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| 02:41.58 | zykotick9 | rawng: using PPAs with debian might be a bad idea... just sayin' |
| 02:42.32 | rawng | I will do that. is there a simple solution to install a specific version when "aptitude search" and "apt-cache search" don't show the different versions? |
| 02:42.37 | rawng | zykotick9: thanks for the warning ;) |
| 02:42.49 | rwp | rawng, Sounds scary to me too. Along with pinning. A good way to scramble a system. |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | rawng: so paste, show us |
| 02:46.08 | rawng | http://paste.debian.net/247126/ |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | rawng: so it's showing you the newest version? |
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| 02:48.04 | rawng | it is showing 2.5.3 which is the newest in testing |
| 02:48.15 | rawng | while i would like to install 2.6.5 from unstable |
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| 02:48.41 | rawng | if by showing you mean the results of aptitude show |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | rawng: you have unstable pinned lower than testing |
| 02:49.38 | rawng | how can I specify to install the unstable package? |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | rawng: if you want from unstable, use -t or use the = notation |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | rawng: man aptitude |
| 02:50.55 | rawng | abrotman: thanks i suppose. I was simply confused because the unstable version did not show up in searches (or even interactive aptitude) while software from the ppa does show up in searches |
| 02:51.13 | rawng | sorry for making it more confusing than it really was |
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| 02:52.42 | abrotman | i'll say! :) |
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| 02:56.06 | azizLIGHTS | how can i find the oldest created file in a dir and its subdirs |
| 02:56.13 | azizLIGHTS | the date |
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| 02:56.37 | azizLIGHTS | what is the date of the oldest created file in a dir |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | in a single dir, ls -lt |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | though, you won't get creation date |
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| 03:00.02 | azizLIGHTS | i have a bunch of copies of ~, trying to see which copies of ~ are more recent and which are older, eventually i will want to get rid of the duplicate files and keep the oldest files that are duplicates, and the new unique files |
| 03:00.18 | azizLIGHTS | trying to consolidate the backups |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | judd: info fdupes |
| 03:00.38 | judd | Package fdupes (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: identifies duplicate files within given directories. Version: 1.50-PR2-3; Size: 19.3k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/fdupes/ |
| 03:00.55 | azizLIGHTS | thanks, ill check that out :) |
| 03:01.13 | azizLIGHTS | this will have to be compiled? |
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| 03:01.36 | abrotman | it's a package in Debian .. are you using Debian? |
| 03:01.57 | athit | Hi, |
| 03:02.05 | azizLIGHTS | abrotman: yes im on debian |
| 03:02.18 | azizLIGHTS | wheezy |
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| 03:04.20 | azizLIGHTS | ah ok, its there when i checked apt-cache search fdupes |
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| 03:20.47 | rawng | zykotick9, rwp: you mentioned that using a ppa might be a bad idea, could you elaborate on why that is? it's not an ubuntu ppa, it's specifically for debian to have the latest development version of the package (which has it's own risks, I know) |
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| 03:21.38 | rwp | Saying PPA usually means Ubuntu. |
| 03:21.58 | rwp | I said I didn't like pinning because it tends to scramble a system. |
| 03:22.25 | rawng | is there a better term to refer to a private repository for debian software? |
| 03:22.27 | rwp | The difference between Unstable and Testing is getting pretty large right now. After release it will get smaller again. But then you won't need pinning at all. |
| 03:22.43 | rwp | Most people try pinning between Unstable and Stable where the difference can be quite large. |
| 03:23.01 | rwp | I would just call it a private repository for debian software. |
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| 03:23.51 | rwp | Instead of pinning I favor using the backports area. When working with Stable those are specifically designed to work with Stable. They are designed to be upgradable to the next Stable. |
| 03:24.07 | rawng | I see. I'm only pinning for a game (warzone2100), not any critical or desktop environment software, so I figure it's okay |
| 03:24.27 | rwp | It all depends what is pulled in behind the cone of dependencies. |
| 03:24.45 | rwp | It is all of the attachments in the fishing net that tend to cause problems. |
| 03:25.05 | rwp | You can always run 'apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate' to see what you have installed. |
| 03:25.19 | rawng | indeed, I've had problems with that before (though usually from dist-upgrades) |
| 03:25.47 | rawng | thanks for the explanations :) |
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| 03:41.22 | graChe28 | Hi, stable at the moment is squeeze right? and testing wheezy? I'm looking to install something that I can install and will be supported for a long time (not 6months releases and not rolling release). So my question is, should I install stable which is near end of life, or if i install wheezy which is testing once it moves into stable i'll still have a couple years of support? |
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| 03:42.20 | graChe28 | basically tired of my current unnamed distro which has 6mo releases which i installed on multiple machines.. |
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| 03:58.04 | peterrooney | graChe28: you seem to have a solid understanding of the situation. Wheezy is currently frozen, and the RC bug count is dropping every week. |
| 03:58.08 | peterrooney | !frozen |
| 03:58.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. <Wheezy> is now frozen: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/13/#freeze |
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| 04:07.17 | graChe28 | peterrooney, thanks, I did a little googling and from what I understand if makes more sense to install wheezy now, but to make sure i'm tracking wheezy, not testing, so I won't 'upgrade' to jesse when it becomes testing. |
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| 04:08.40 | graChe28 | or in other words, if im tracking wheezy not testing, there will be no difference in a couple months (or whenever wheezy becomes stable) if i wait to install then |
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| 04:10.54 | peterrooney | graChe28: sounds good. After your install, you might want to inspect your sources.list to make sure it's pointed at wheezy and not at testing. |
| 04:11.20 | graChe28 | peterrooney, thanks for confirming |
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| 04:13.29 | graChe28 | one last thing, thats might be subjective, but is it difficult to transition from stable to testing, i'm coming from a distro where the ops in the channel will tell you _NOT_ to upgrade and do a clean install, is debian like that? |
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| 04:17.38 | peterrooney | graChe28: There have been times when doing an in-place upgrade has had me scratching my head, but reading the release notes first has always fixed things. Though ,once on ppc arch, I had to run "apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get -f install " three times in a row to get everything sorted out. That was like, a decade ago |
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| 04:18.07 | peterrooney | Took a few hours on a 400 MHz G3. |
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| 04:22.28 | graChe28 | cool tks for advice |
| 04:22.50 | thorie | anyone know a light window manager that has alt-tabbing that with the ability to actually select apps from a list? mine switches directly to other windows, which is irritating because it's usually not the one i want, the stack gets all messed up |
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| 05:04.36 | peterrooney | thorie: e16, not e17. |
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| 05:05.54 | thorie | i have another question, is there a debian package for icecat? |
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| 05:09.23 | Administrator_ | yeah |
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| 05:46.15 | txomon|nqas | I don't know if someone of yesterday's here |
| 05:47.00 | txomon|nqas | but I am looking at the process and task disk, and its horrible, like half of the processor is filled of io wait |
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| 05:51.42 | rwp | txomon|nqas, What problem are you having? "half of the processor is filled of io wait" makes no sense. |
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| 05:54.28 | txomon|nqas | rwp, the problem is that after resuming from pm-suspend, or booting from 0, the computer gets laggy for 10-15 minutes, and I have no idea on why |
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| 05:55.14 | txomon|nqas | I have been given advise to look at iotop and htop, but still don't know which is the source of the problem here.. |
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| 05:56.21 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | you could check things in dmesg as well, or syslog |
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| 05:59.43 | txomon|nqas | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI, but what should I check for? Its a temporary thing |
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| 06:01.16 | rwp | txomon|nqas, It is impossible to say what one thing to look for. All of us would just be scrambling around looking for clues and hoping we figured it out. |
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| 06:05.24 | txomon|nqas | rwp, I just can say that chromium gets ultra heavy in the process list, but don't really know if that is normal |
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| 06:08.17 | rwp | txomon|nqas, Which track are you running? Stable, Testing, Unstable? |
| 06:08.28 | txomon|nqas | rwp, wheezy |
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| 06:08.52 | rwp | Then I recommend trying 'eatmydata' under everything. The fsync() problem can make things run very slow. |
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| 06:09.09 | rwp | I have no idea if that is your problem or not. Just brainstorming for you. |
| 06:09.16 | txomon|nqas | ty rwp |
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| 06:09.40 | txomon|nqas | is there any way to diagnose performance problems? |
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| 06:10.06 | rwp | You already mentioned the things I would be using. htop, iotop. |
| 06:10.22 | rwp | Try looking at the si/so fields of 'vmstat' output. |
| 06:11.21 | txomon|nqas | rwp, just realized I dont have swap! |
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| 06:11.39 | rwp | Then you can't be swapping. |
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| 06:12.11 | rwp | But that does mean that your machine can't page out useless pages and make more room in ram for useful stuff. Some swap is always good. |
| 06:12.17 | txomon|nqas | yes, but I wonder if that is a big problem (thought I haven't filled my memory) |
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| 06:14.48 | txomon|nqas | rwp, I just discovered that thought fstab is updated when moving partitions, the swapfs isn't updated |
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| 06:15.46 | rwp | What? Moving partitions? Updates fstab? I don't know of anything that updates fstab. Or moves partitions. |
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| 07:22.26 | ChrisH | in cases of unclear slowness I found it most times usefull to run atop as root and check the colored lines. This gives most times a good starting point. |
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| 07:26.39 | txomon|nqas | ChrisH, ok! |
| 07:26.41 | txomon|nqas | ty! |
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| 07:26.51 | eatnumber1_ | I've got an external journal on my root filesystem which makes my system unbootable. When I try booting the system, it fails at the fsck step with the error "Device or resource busy while checking ext3 journal for root" |
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| 07:36.09 | txomon|nqas | can anyone help me disabling the beep in ttys? I have tried blacklisting pcspkr but didn't work! |
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| 07:37.24 | codygman | I'm trying to install the latest verison of iceweasel on wheezy, but it appears the instructions to add the repo "your-mirror.debian.org" are wrong on: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 07:39.58 | zykotick9 | txomon|nqas: have you checked if "beep" is muted in alsamixer? |
| 07:40.23 | txomon|nqas | zykotick9, that was the solution ^^! |
| 07:40.25 | bw_ | codygman: your-mirror = de,uk,nl, ... |
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| 07:40.52 | txomon|nqas | zykotick9, but isn't supposed to be unrecognished thanks to the blacklist? |
| 07:41.52 | zykotick9 | txomon|nqas: i know i had problems trying to blacklist to get rid of beep, in wheezy. but for me, the alsa method seems to work. |
| 07:42.45 | txomon|nqas | yes |
| 07:42.50 | txomon|nqas | I will put that into the wiki |
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| 07:43.31 | azizLIGHTS | how can i make sure two dirs are the same |
| 07:43.59 | azizLIGHTS | by same i mean have the same files and dirs inside them |
| 07:44.04 | txomon|nqas | azizLIGHTS, diff? |
| 07:44.06 | zykotick9 | azizLIGHTS: diff or md5 perhaps? |
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| 07:56.25 | WillPittenger | I'm trying to add a folder to $PATH on boot. I thought putting a script file inside /etc/init.d would do the trick. But it is having no effect. I don't know if the script is being run or not. I've a friend who tells me the script might be run in the wrong process. Can someone tell me what might be wrong? I would like this to take effect regardless of how I'm logged in (I'm the only... |
| 07:56.26 | WillPittenger | ...user and this is a VM). I also would like it to work when I su or sudo. Based on http://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables, I added a line to /etc/gdm/Xsession and set the ENV_PATH and ENV_SUPATH variables inside /etc/login.defs. Neither seem to have an effect. |
| 07:56.37 | azizLIGHTS | how do i combine these two: "find . -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > ../source.md5sum" and "sed 's/^/source /' source.md5sum > sourceXX.md5sum" |
| 07:57.01 | txomon|nqas | WillPittenger, What are you trying to do? |
| 07:57.11 | azizLIGHTS | i want to make the md5sum say source at the beginning of each line in the md5sum file |
| 07:57.16 | WillPittenger | I thought I just described that. |
| 07:57.40 | txomon|nqas | if it is just to modify the path, use /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 07:58.42 | txomon|nqas | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.01 | txomon|nqas | there are options to just report if they are different or not |
| 07:59.55 | azizLIGHTS | im doing too much? |
| 08:01.46 | WillPittenger | txomon|nqas: Thank you! |
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| 08:02.04 | txomon|nqas | azizLIGHTS, you are getting too complex for something simple |
| 08:02.19 | txomon|nqas | use diff, with recursive and short options |
| 08:03.08 | azizLIGHTS | im doing this so i can end up seeing which files dont exist in either dir, and which exist in only one dir |
| 08:03.16 | azizLIGHTS | er |
| 08:03.21 | azizLIGHTS | unique files to both dirs |
| 08:03.44 | azizLIGHTS | so i can reconcile differences |
| 08:03.53 | azizLIGHTS | merge the two dirs |
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| 08:04.46 | txomon|nqas | azizLIGHTS, try diff, it will tell you which file is just in one, just in other or which is different. if you want it will also tell you which is equal |
| 08:05.07 | azizLIGHTS | ok, ill read more man diff |
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| 08:06.16 | txomon|nqas | md5 is the best when doing it in different computers, and quite low data has to be passed |
| 08:06.20 | txomon|nqas | bb! |
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| 08:37.33 | dizzylizzy | This is odd. |
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| 08:39.02 | Sarger001 | All the ISO.s on the site, i don't know which one to download. |
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| 08:40.21 | Sarger001 | Should i tell you what cpu and graphics i'm using so you can tell me which i need? |
| 08:40.31 | Sarger001 | 32 bit intel celeron with intel graphics |
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| 08:41.13 | dizzylizzy | If you install google's google talk browser plugin with "dpkg -i whatever.deb" it not only adds their own personal repo to your sources.list but it also adds their signing key, and it does this without telling you. I guess I shouldn't be surprised about it not telling me though. I'm just glad I can read their scripts in the .deb |
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| 08:41.28 | gnarface | Sarger001: i386 |
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| 08:41.29 | ePax | Im trying to add /sbin/chkconfig to rkhunders dat file with commant "rkhunter --propupd /sbin/chkconfig" but its not working |
| 08:41.35 | ePax | rkhunters* |
| 08:41.41 | dizzylizzy | it doesn't modify the sources.list but it does add a thingy to the sources.list.d directory |
| 08:42.09 | Sarger001 | thanks gnar, there are lots of isos and files, which one do i select? |
| 08:42.12 | Sarger001 | Will any do? |
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| 08:44.24 | Sarger001 | Which iso do i DL? |
| 08:44.25 | Sarger001 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 08:45.09 | b0lt | Sarger001: consider using just a netinstall |
| 08:45.21 | b0lt | Sarger001: (if you have network available) |
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| 08:46.32 | gnarface | Sarger001: the netinstall is the best one |
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| 08:46.47 | Sarger001 | I don't have my PC's on a network. |
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| 08:47.18 | gnarface | well in that case you probably want to download the CD or DVD sets |
| 08:47.26 | gnarface | at least the first one or two |
| 08:47.27 | Sarger001 | ? |
| 08:47.29 | Sarger001 | ah |
| 08:47.46 | Sarger001 | so dvd-1.iso |
| 08:47.51 | Sarger001 | 6.0.7 |
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| 08:48.57 | gnarface | Sarger001: yea that is probably a good start if you are installing to a machine that won't be connected to a network |
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| 08:49.29 | gnarface | Sarger001: if you have the time and the space you may want the whole set just to have a complete collection... |
| 08:49.38 | gnarface | Sarger001: i guess it depends alot on what you plan to do with it |
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| 08:50.08 | Sarger001 | Home use/Base a distro off of it if i have the time and knowledge at some point, you know, simple stuff. |
| 08:50.42 | b0lt | Sarger001: just out of curiosity... why no network? |
| 08:51.11 | Sarger001 | Well the thing is, we have a Win ME, and i don't want any viruses spreading. |
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| 08:51.21 | b0lt | Win ME?! |
| 08:52.19 | Sarger001 | We have a ME, Ubuntu 12.04, a Win XP, and i really don't want anything spreading |
| 08:52.25 | Sarger001 | between XP and ME |
| 08:52.51 | Sarger001 | And everyone in my family will probably flip if XP gets changed to another OS Or something |
| 08:52.53 | b0lt | no virus is going to spread from WinME to debian |
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| 08:53.14 | gnarface | anything is possible... |
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| 08:53.30 | Sarger001 | So i'm dual booting ubuntu and debian |
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| 08:54.23 | Sarger001 | and we power on Win ME every once in a while. |
| 08:54.37 | b0lt | twitches |
| 08:54.47 | Sarger001 | I've bought a few cheap laptops just to run ME on and we have a race who can BSOD the fastest |
| 08:55.28 | b0lt | just plug in the darn network cable. you'll have a much better experience, and your ME box can crash faster |
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| 08:56.02 | b0lt | also you don't have to burn umpteen dvd's with stuff you could just download on the fly |
| 08:56.03 | mgodzilla | does steam run on debian squeeze 6.0? |
| 08:56.09 | babilen | no |
| 08:56.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell mgodzilla about steam |
| 08:56.28 | mgodzilla | thx. |
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| 08:57.45 | Sarger001 | but i don't want any hacks for ME to crash faster |
| 08:57.51 | Sarger001 | it defeats the idea |
| 08:57.52 | babilen | mgodzilla: A steam package (that (unnecessarily) depends on libc6 >-= 2.15 has been uploaded to experimental, but that would require you to upgrade this /very/ important library which I wouldn't necessarily advice to do. Ask in #steamlug as we (Debian) cannot support it. |
| 08:58.08 | babilen | Sarger001: It's alright -- I think we get the idea and you know your options now. |
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| 09:07.19 | jimcooncat | Chrome now messes with my mouse, along with an annoying "no longer supports" notice. Should I just stay away from using it for now? |
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| 09:07.30 | ChrisH | I do not get mediawiki to work on wheezy. I did apt-get install mediawiki-extensions mediawiki and wanted to import my DB Dump. I do not see how mediawiki gets integrated into apache2 config. On my Lenny box this worked without any manual interaction, IIRC it's a time ago. Any ideas? |
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| 09:07.39 | jimcooncat | Same problem with chromium? |
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| 09:12.45 | mrtnt | Is there an utility which consumes RAM for example 1MiB in second? I need such utility for testing purpose. |
| 09:14.27 | jimcooncat | mrtnt: maybe a ramdisk would be a controllable way to do that |
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| 09:19.09 | mrtnt | jimcooncat: thanks! I'll look into this. |
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| 09:20.52 | gr8 | why isn't the Dillo web browser in the debian repositories? |
| 09:21.51 | b0lt | ,versions dillo |
| 09:21.53 | judd | Package: dillo on i386 -- sid: 3.0.2-2; wheezy: 3.0.2-2 |
| 09:22.03 | b0lt | it just wasn't when squeeze came out |
| 09:22.10 | b0lt | also, packages.debian.org |
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| 09:23.04 | jimcooncat | ChrisH, did you restart apache? |
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| 09:24.01 | gr8 | thanks b0lt |
| 09:24.49 | babilen | mrtnt: It shouldn't be too hard to write a program that calls calloc every second ... I'm sure something like this is flying around somewhere already. Ask in ##c maybe for actual help. |
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| 09:25.31 | babilen | mrtnt: Hmm, or let me hack something. One second please. |
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| 09:25.49 | gr8 | what would be the preferred way to install dillo via package manager while using Debian Squeeze? |
| 09:26.23 | ectospasm | if it's not in backports, do without. |
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| 09:26.51 | gr8 | right. -,- |
| 09:27.19 | ectospasm | alternatively, you could install from source, but expect dependency hell. |
| 09:27.21 | jimcooncat | gr8, not lightweight, but installing wheezy in virtualbox would be a way to test it without messing up repos |
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| 09:32.18 | gypsymauro | hi, I'm trying to connect to a server via ssh but when I open an ncurses application on remote (mcedit) the layout is made by all '?' |
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| 09:33.45 | gypsymauro | any hint on how to solve that problem? |
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| 09:35.07 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: I did and to be sure I did again. With the previous URL I cannot get media wiki to answer. |
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| 09:37.28 | babilen | mrtnt: http://paste.debian.net/247184/ → save as memtest.c + "gcc -o memtest memtest.c" |
| 09:38.05 | babilen | mrtnt: There might be a nice way, but meh ... it will certainly fill your memory 1MB per second. |
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| 09:38.56 | jimcooncat | ChrisH, If you're up to some apache config work, the Advanced Configuration section of this url shows how to set it up properly with the apache's sites-available configuration method: http://hethos.org/drupal/node/89 |
| 09:39.42 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: So manual actions are needed. I expected the mediawiki debian scripts to do that. |
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| 09:40.49 | jimcooncat | ChrisH did you check /etc/apache2/sites-available to see if it plunked an entry in there? |
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| 09:42.09 | jimcooncat | ChrisH: If not, something in /etc/apache2/conf.d (I think that's correct) |
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| 09:43.28 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: there is nothing in. Neither in lenny nor on wheezy. Nor are there any links in apache's root dir. /var/www . In my index.html I have a href to SERVER/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 09:44.48 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: apache2/conf.d has something in. Now I can continue :) |
| 09:45.25 | jimcooncat | ChrisH: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Apache_configuration -- says it's pretty much automatic if you have php5 enabled |
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| 09:46.05 | jimcooncat | ChrisH: but it would not surprise me if the instructions are incomplete |
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| 09:47.17 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: removed one # in conf.d/mediawiki.conf, restated apache and now mediawiki talks to me. Thanks for goving me the right direction |
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| 09:48.23 | jimcooncat | yw, ChrisH, glad I could help without really knowing what I was talking about |
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| 09:49.43 | sianios | hello, how can i configure my 5.1 speakers play on 2.1 sound card? for years on windows i was able to do that, probably and on debian wheezy right? |
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| 09:52.11 | setfiretotherain | sianios: software or hardware sound mixing |
| 09:53.28 | b0lt | 5.1 speakers on a 2.1 sound card? |
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| 09:54.07 | b0lt | sounds like two stereo jack splits to put two speakers on right and left channels... |
| 09:54.10 | b0lt | i must have missed something |
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| 09:54.54 | setfiretotherain | why not? you can mix and copy any sound stream to any channel you want |
| 09:55.08 | sianios | setfiretotherain, what do you mean? on windows there was a sound panel and just be clicking some options all speakers working, now only left and right speakers are working |
| 09:55.13 | setfiretotherain | so-called up-mixing |
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| 09:55.38 | b0lt | setfiretotherain: because if you have a 2.1 sound card you can't plug 5.1 speakers into it |
| 09:55.41 | setfiretotherain | there are down-mxing and upmixing |
| 09:55.44 | b0lt | or did i miss something critical |
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| 09:55.53 | mrtnt | babilen: thanks! |
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| 09:56.51 | setfiretotherain | i am curious. which sound card is still 2.1ch? |
| 09:57.15 | setfiretotherain | should be 5.1/7.1ch |
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| 09:58.04 | b0lt | which sound card was ever 2.1? |
| 09:58.14 | b0lt | like, a stereo jack and a mono one? |
| 09:58.43 | setfiretotherain | i just know 2.1ch earphones |
| 09:58.44 | b0lt | has never seen this |
| 09:58.59 | setfiretotherain | or 2.1ch speakers |
| 09:59.05 | b0lt | 2.1 earphones make no sense |
| 09:59.19 | b0lt | does it mount a bass on the top? |
| 10:01.02 | setfiretotherain | 5.1ch or 7.1ch sound card -> 2.0ch or 2.1ch speakers/earphones (most situation) |
| 10:01.49 | setfiretotherain | the 0.1 ch is emulation |
| 10:02.12 | setfiretotherain | because you have only two ears |
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| 10:03.28 | b0lt | still makes no sense. firstly, it'd have to be 2.2, and secondly you don't have a big enough element in a headphone speaker to be a .anything, so you probably still have just two channels, with a "deeper, more rich bass" claim from marketing |
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| 10:05.21 | setfiretotherain | they can offer 5.1ch for each earpad though if use 2 or 3 ubits |
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| 10:05.57 | b0lt | 10.2? |
| 10:05.58 | setfiretotherain | s/ubits/units |
| 10:06.50 | setfiretotherain | umm, maybe 5 units for different audio bands |
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| 10:07.03 | setfiretotherain | but tis is crazy |
| 10:07.14 | setfiretotherain | s/tis/this |
| 10:07.25 | b0lt | if you can squeeze 5 separate speakers into a single side of a headset and have room for a woofer element as well, and still not break the neck of an elephans wearing it, there's not much bass in that woofer |
| 10:08.16 | setfiretotherain | nothing is impossible in the future |
| 10:08.26 | b0lt | most setups i've seen simply use one larger element and distort the sound to emulate different directions |
| 10:08.39 | b0lt | when it comes to sound generation, there are some physical laws you mostly have to follow |
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| 10:10.59 | bratner | disregards the laws of physics all the time. screw them. |
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| 10:22.25 | overrider | I am trying to setup 6TB of useable storage with 6*2TB drives. Should i use RAID10 or RAID6, or even dare RAID5 with spare for decent reliability? |
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| 10:24.06 | ChrisH | overrider: What are the IO constraints? Hotpluggable Array? How fast must a recovery be done in case of DIsk failures? |
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| 10:24.46 | bkrieg1337 | where can i get the mysql-libs |
| 10:25.20 | bkrieg1337 | i get this error E: Unable to locate package mysql-libs |
| 10:25.26 | overrider | ChrisH: Its a lenovo server with some raid card; In case of disk failure i am not so worried about speed of reconstruction, more worried of ANOTHER drive failure due to extra stress while reconstructing. 2TB should take a while in any case |
| 10:25.51 | overrider | It is hotpluggable |
| 10:25.54 | ChrisH | bkrieg1337: check aptitude search libmysql |
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| 10:26.20 | ChrisH | overrider: real Raid or Fakeraid? |
| 10:26.30 | overrider | ChrisH: real raid |
| 10:27.13 | ChrisH | overrider: and you want to use the HW Raid. then I would go for Raid6 this gives you 2 disk to fail before the backup is needed |
| 10:27.20 | bkrieg1337 | what should i choose for mysql-server? |
| 10:27.58 | b0lt | bkrieg1337: aptitude will install dependencies itself. just aptitude install mysql-server |
| 10:28.05 | ChrisH | bkrieg1337: aptitude search mysql-server |
| 10:28.29 | bkrieg1337 | thank you |
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| 10:29.06 | overrider | ChrisH: the machine is running vmwasre esxi to host a windows server and two linux servers. I think its best to use the HW raid to manage the disks |
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| 10:29.29 | babilen | s/mysql-server/postgresql-server/ :) |
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| 10:30.31 | ChrisH | overrider: in that case: yes. I personnaly prefer software raid if possible as it offers more flexibility. like split mirrors before upgrading a debian release and boot of the second mirror in case upgrade mixed up everything |
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| 10:30.42 | bkrieg1337 | i get this error when i am starting mysql |
| 10:30.45 | bkrieg1337 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.07 | bkrieg1337 | cd: /etc/mysql: No such file or directory |
| 10:31.12 | b0lt | bkrieg1337: how did you install mysql? |
| 10:31.21 | bkrieg1337 | aptitude install mysql-server |
| 10:31.43 | b0lt | bkrieg1337: you needing to install libs manually tells me you've got something funky going on. are you installing packages from other sources than the debian repositories? |
| 10:31.52 | bkrieg1337 | no |
| 10:31.56 | b0lt | did you get any errors while installing it? |
| 10:32.03 | b0lt | that directory should be created for you |
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| 10:32.03 | bkrieg1337 | im getting mysql directly from debian repo |
| 10:32.18 | bkrieg1337 | its missing :( |
| 10:32.27 | bkrieg1337 | i will do a reinstall |
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| 10:36.41 | mrtnt | When does Linux kernel start swapping? As much as I have tested, it happens if there is ~130MiB free RAM. |
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| 10:38.57 | babilen | mrtnt: Doesn't that answer your question? Did you use the program I mentioned earlier? |
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| 10:41.42 | ChrisH | mrtnt: in UNIX[TM] it starts at low watermark paging |
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| 11:17.48 | Towzzer | !firmware |
| 11:17.48 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 11:19.29 | javaneo | how can i install jdk6 on debian ? whenever I do sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk i can "no install candidate" |
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| 11:20.11 | wernkebm_ | Open synaptic and search for it there |
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| 11:20.50 | javaneo | wernkebm_: i don't have x |
| 11:21.14 | petn-randall | javaneo: use aptitude. |
| 11:21.19 | petn-randall | !java |
| 11:21.19 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:21.26 | mrtnt | babilen: yes. Thanks for this! It worked great. I just thought that there might be some special occasions. I ran two tests on the same machine. During the first test I had 1024MiB of memory and swapping started once ~130MiB was remaining. Then I removed one 512MiB SODIMM memory module and ran the test again and now swapping started when 65MiB was free. So looks like the swapping starts if the free memory is below ~12%. Kernel is 3.1.10-1.9-default. |
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| 11:22.06 | javaneo | petn-randall: is it possible to add non-free sources ? where can I find them ? |
| 11:22.14 | mrtnt | ChrisH: is there an easy way to check this value? |
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| 11:22.36 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell javaneo -about non-free |
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| 11:36.25 | ChrisH | mrtnt: I am sorry, I do not know for Linux. But I allways add 1-1.5 times RAM size as swap. For eg. Solaris systems this is needed to be able to access all physical memory. you can check the difference using swap -s on Solaris. |
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| 11:42.22 | pythonsnake1 | whats the neat way to auto-center a floating div that auto resizes according to window? |
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| 11:45.28 | nkuttler | pythonsnake1: try #css |
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| 11:45.40 | pythonsnake1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:45.47 | pythonsnake1 | wrong tab indeed |
| 11:45.56 | pythonsnake1 | sorry |
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| 11:48.31 | invariant | How do I display the label of a removable usbdrive on the command line? |
| 11:48.50 | ectospasm | what do you mean,"label?" |
| 11:49.32 | invariant | ectospasm, do you have no idea what it might mean? |
| 11:49.45 | giuseppe_ | hi, if i want to use fglrx driver i should remove fglrx or change "fglrx" in "radeon" in xorg.conf? they are in conflict? |
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| 11:50.15 | babilen | javaneo: I would strongly suggest to use openjdk in lieu of Sun's (well Oracle's) packages. |
| 11:50.16 | ectospasm | invariant: it could mean many things, but normally I don't associate disk labels with removable USB drives. |
| 11:50.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell javaneo -about install java |
| 11:50.41 | invariant | ectospasm, perhaps it's associated with a partition. |
| 11:50.52 | ectospasm | invariant: then fdisk should show you |
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| 11:51.06 | babilen | javaneo: Main reason for that is that Oracle does not support Java 6 anymore, Java 7's reference implementation is OpenJDK and the fact that Debian is no longer allowed to distribute Oracle's JRE. |
| 11:51.09 | invariant | ectospasm, fdisk is a hack. |
| 11:51.22 | giuseppe_ | hi, if i want to use fglrx driver i should remove fglrx or change "fglrx" in "radeon" in xorg.conf? they are in conflict? |
| 11:51.32 | ectospasm | invariant: you think there's a better solution? |
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| 11:52.00 | invariant | ectospasm, also, I cannot find the label in its output. |
| 11:52.08 | invariant | ectospasm, so, something else must be assigning it. |
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| 11:52.25 | ectospasm | invariant: when you say "label" you mean mount point? |
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| 11:52.48 | invariant | ectospasm, no, I mean how it is displayed in e.g. KDE. |
| 11:53.05 | invariant | ectospasm, you have this list of blockdevices and all of them show a name. |
| 11:53.09 | invariant | ectospasm, a label. |
| 11:53.11 | ectospasm | invariant: I don't use KDE, so I don't understand your reference. |
| 11:53.16 | invariant | ectospasm, it is derived from something more low-level. |
| 11:53.25 | ectospasm | do you mean UUID? |
| 11:53.29 | invariant | ectospasm, it's the same label as displayed in Windows. |
| 11:53.34 | petn-randall | invariant: Maybe you mean partition label? |
| 11:53.37 | invariant | ectospasm, or any other OS on this planet. |
| 11:53.43 | invariant | Wth? |
| 11:53.52 | invariant | Have you all gone completely stupid? |
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| 11:54.14 | invariant | ectospasm, no, a free text, i.e. a label. |
| 11:54.25 | invariant | ectospasm, it has been called like that for the past 20 years+. |
| 11:54.33 | petn-randall | invariant: You mean partition label. |
| 11:54.36 | Trewas | invariant: blkid should work |
| 11:54.41 | zwick | blkid |
| 11:54.42 | win5hit | hi there! I'm on squeeze (3.2.0-4-amd64), and I'm trying to get infiniband stuff running. therefore i need ofed. i've downloaded ofed 3.2 (its for kernel 3.2) and trying to build it. looks nice until: "checking size of long... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (long)..." i've tried to figure out why, but had no luck so far... can anyone help me with that? |
| 11:54.56 | Iridos | dpkg, tell giuseppe_ about fglrx dkms |
| 11:55.05 | invariant | Trewas, thank you. |
| 11:55.23 | invariant | The answer is blkid <name of partition device file>. |
| 11:55.37 | invariant | It's displayed as LABEL in capital letters. |
| 11:55.39 | ectospasm | ...which should give you the UUID |
| 11:55.49 | invariant | Don't tell me I am asking the wrong question. |
| 11:56.06 | invariant | ectospasm, you just don't know anything. |
| 11:56.12 | mercutio22 | I've got a brand old dell poweredge 2600. Got debian on it. The fans won't throttle after boot ={ |
| 11:56.27 | ectospasm | invariant: no, you didn't articulate properly. Anyhow, I'm glad you found your answer. |
| 11:56.36 | mercutio22 | sounds like an airplane turbine |
| 11:56.47 | invariant | ectospasm, you also don't know how to write English. |
| 11:56.56 | invariant | ectospasm, articulation is something else. |
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| 11:57.36 | invariant | ectospasm, as a comparison, merely inputting label usb into Google returns a relevant response. |
| 11:57.45 | invariant | ectospasm, so, even a machine is smarter than you. |
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| 11:57.58 | kallisti | hey everyone. I'm having an issue where I have to run "sudo modprobe b43" everytime I boot my laptop. Any idea what could be causing this? Let me know what other information is needed. |
| 11:58.17 | invariant | ectospasm, with your level of helpfulness, nobody needs your help. |
| 11:58.27 | kallisti | (b43 is a wireless driver for my laptop) |
| 11:58.35 | Towzzer | if you want to load a module on boot you can put it in a file |
| 11:58.39 | invariant | kallisti, add it to /etc/modules |
| 11:58.49 | invariant | kallisti, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 11:59.01 | Towzzer | just the module name in /etc/modules |
| 11:59.08 | ectospasm | kallisti: in /etc/modprobe.d/ as well. |
| 11:59.14 | kallisti | Towzzer: ah okay. I thought there was a place where I could add kernel modules |
| 11:59.18 | kallisti | just didn't remember where |
| 11:59.22 | invariant | kallisti, that is the place. |
| 11:59.48 | Towzzer | this is the time, this is the place |
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| 12:00.24 | kallisti | Towzzer: is the format for /etc/modprobe.d/ files the same as /etc/modules? |
| 12:00.36 | ectospasm | invariant: remember that I am a volunteer, no need to insult. And if you could have used Google in the first place, why bother asking here first? |
| 12:01.03 | invariant | ectospasm, because Google returned wrong results (they should fix their search engine). |
| 12:01.37 | invariant | ectospasm, I have explained this many times before; just because you are a volunteer, doesn't mean you can waste other people's time without getting negative feedback. |
| 12:02.02 | invariant | ectospasm, in fact, I am educating *you* here, which makes me the volunteer. |
| 12:02.37 | zwick | invariant: You are not entitled to a response/answer. When you ask for help, you are by definition putting yourself at the mercy of who you have asked. |
| 12:03.03 | invariant | zwick, indeed, and I prefer that people say nothing rather than stupid nonsense. |
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| 12:03.37 | invariant | zwick, trolls fall in the category of 'volunteers that try to help'. |
| 12:04.00 | invariant | zwick, and no, I am not putting myself at the mercy of such people. |
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| 12:04.24 | invariant | zwick, if nobody knows the answer, I can find the solution myself, although it takes longer, because research always takes longer. |
| 12:04.50 | invariant | It's not like it would be a big problem to download the source code for whatever tool is already displaying the information. |
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| 12:05.01 | invariant | I have done that before and I can do it again. |
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| 12:35.58 | Vasistha | I've just backed up one of my android partitions, hoping to do some data rescue. Wondering how to mount the file? I tried mount -o loop -t vfat userdata.raw tmp/ # but it's not taking ... perhaps I've got the command wrong, or perhaps when I copied the block device, it missed some header information or something? Could be android specific? Any thoughts? |
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| 12:36.32 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Does anyone know anything about ARM port? |
| 12:36.32 | Towzzer | how did you copy it |
| 12:36.55 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Try #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:37.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell LoCoZeNoz_ZUE -about armhf |
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| 12:42.51 | Vasistha | Towzzer: dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p15 | nc |
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| 12:49.34 | Towzzer | isn't nc netcat? |
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| 12:50.15 | Towzzer | right well, maybe it doesn't work because a partition is not a block device |
| 12:50.26 | Towzzer | it's part of a block device |
| 12:50.29 | thyphus_ | true |
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| 12:50.54 | Towzzer | you would need to appened a partition table to the first 512 bytes |
| 12:51.03 | Towzzer | that would also be configured to load that partition |
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| 12:57.45 | petn-randall | Towzzer: Partitions are also block devices. |
| 12:58.21 | Vasistha | Towzzer: thanks ... I ... guess I'll need to figure out how to do that :-) |
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| 12:58.34 | Vasistha | Towzzer: or "prepend" as the case may be |
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| 12:59.58 | Vasistha | Towzzer: any recommendations on how to do that? could parted do it? |
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| 13:01.48 | petn-randall | Vasistha: How did you back the partition up? How do you know it's VFAT? |
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| 13:02.52 | Vasistha | petn-randall: it's from my android phone, and ... well, apparently the phone says it is mounted as ext4, so I suppose I am wrong about that! |
| 13:03.09 | dzan | is there some repository where a full vim is available? with vimserver & python support for example |
| 13:03.45 | petn-randall | Vasistha: Of course it's from the phone, but how did you back it up? How did you produce the file containing the partition? |
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| 13:04.34 | Vasistha | petn-randall: in adb shell, used: dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p15 | gzip -1 | nc # and on another terminal, nc | dd of=image.raw |
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| 13:05.02 | Vasistha | missed a gunzip pipe there. Using 'strings' I can see that there's good-looking file-stuff there! |
| 13:06.02 | petn-randall | Vasistha: You also missed the nc -l and the address on the other side, but nevermind. What does "file image.raw" tell you? |
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| 13:06.59 | Vasistha | petn-randall: linux ext4 filesystem data! Maybe I should try mounting it that way :) |
| 13:07.12 | petn-randall | Vasistha: Do that. |
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| 13:07.36 | Vasistha | petn-randall: no luck, I suppose I do need that partition table? mount -o loop -t ext4 image.raw tmp/ |
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| 13:10.04 | petn-randall | Vasistha: Paste the exact error message, also check if /var/log/kern.log gives any info. ==> http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:10.34 | Vasistha | petn-randall: it's the standard mount error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock [...etc...] |
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| 13:11.58 | Vasistha | petn-randall: kern.log shows two lines: "JBD2: journal transaction 3222064 on loop0-8 is corrupt." and "EXT4-fs (loop0): error loading journal" |
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| 13:16.50 | ChrisWi | hi to all |
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| 13:17.43 | ChrisWi | I am new to debian and looking for the package which is holding the 'xen-pciback' module |
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| 13:17.59 | ChrisWi | can anyone help me please ? |
| 13:18.02 | ChrisWi | thank you |
| 13:19.16 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell ChrisWi -about apt-file |
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| 13:19.37 | petn-randall | ChrisWi: That should do the trick. |
| 13:20.13 | ChrisWi | petn-randall: sorry I do not understand |
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| 13:20.44 | babilen | ChrisWi: that's a "normal" kernel module. You can just load it with "modprobe xen-pciback" -- Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 13:21.24 | ChrisWi | squeeze |
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| 13:22.04 | babilen | Ack, try "modinfo xen-pciback" -- I am not entirely sure if it is available in the 2.6.32 kernel in squeeze. |
| 13:22.05 | ChrisWi | babilen: I get "FATAL: Module xen_pciback not found." |
| 13:22.29 | ChrisWi | ERROR: modinfo: could not find module xen-pciback |
| 13:22.29 | TheWarden | Hi all |
| 13:22.31 | babilen | Well, I guess that is the answer. What kind of machine is that? What is it used for? |
| 13:22.34 | TheWarden | I'm still trying to build a native Debian package. I believe I'm closer then I've ever been but I still have one issue that remains so far. After I do debuild -us -uc I get multiple errors like so, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/fa3d3f19cb00f5f5708a |
| 13:22.50 | ChrisWi | it is xen dom0 |
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| 13:23.03 | TheWarden | I realize that one is not suppose to place files in /usr/loca/ however due matters out of my hands right now I need to have these files here for now. In future I will fix this problem and do it correctly. |
| 13:23.27 | TheWarden | I believe I can add override_dh_usrlocal: to my debian/rules file however what do I put along with it? |
| 13:23.31 | ChrisWi | babilen: Linux lab1 2.6.32-5-xen-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 05:55:06 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:24.19 | babilen | ChrisWi: I guess you need a newer kernel. You can either upgrade to wheezy by following the <wheezy release notes> or by installing one from backports (probably the better idea for a production machine that many people rely on) by following <bdo kernel> -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 13:24.43 | babilen | ChrisWi: Do you know when that functionality was introduced? |
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| 13:25.36 | babilen | ChrisWi: I am also not entirely sure if the XEN version in Squeeze supports that. You might have to run wheezy for that. |
| 13:25.38 | ChrisWi | babilen: not sure with debian, but I already used it with SLES 10 |
| 13:25.51 | babilen | ChrisWi: Which kernel do they ship? |
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| 13:26.01 | ChrisWi | 2.6.32 |
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| 13:26.30 | TheWarden | here is my control, directory contents of debian/ my package.install and debian/rules, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/c596efe5cac8b3addd9a |
| 13:26.32 | babilen | XEN was merged into the kernel for 3.0 ... So, lets see if you can get that with 2.6.32 kernel. |
| 13:26.58 | TheWarden | since I added override_dh_usrlocal: I get "make: override_dh_usrlocal:: Command not found" |
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| 13:27.52 | ChrisWi | babilen: I think pciback is support since 2.6.16 (I already used it in SLES 10) |
| 13:28.11 | ChrisWi | babilen: is ther perhaps an extra 'module' package on debian I need to install ? |
| 13:28.16 | babilen | TheWarden: Ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net and provide further details such as your debian/rules and other information |
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| 13:33.48 | babilen | ChrisWi: Could you run 'grep CONFIG_XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND /boot/config-$(uname -r)' please? |
| 13:34.11 | babilen | ChrisWi: It looks as if the kernel has support compiled in. |
| 13:34.18 | babilen | (the 2.6.32 xen kernel that is) |
| 13:35.17 | ChrisWi | babilen: http://pastie.org/7314133 |
| 13:35.25 | ChrisWi | it looks like statically |
| 13:35.42 | babilen | ChrisWi: great, have fun then! :) |
| 13:36.09 | ChrisWi | babilen: thanks for help |
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| 13:38.08 | DammitJim | what command would tell me if a process is stuck? |
| 13:38.25 | DammitJim | I've been running gparted's e2fsck for 2 days now on a 1.5TB HDD |
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| 13:40.46 | petn-randall | DammitJim: is it giving output? |
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| 13:41.15 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Check if there's I/O or CPU load (iotop / (h)top ). |
| 13:41.17 | DammitJim | gparted is just spinning.. ya know? the bar that move from right to left is going |
| 13:41.43 | DammitJim | petn-randall, I don't have any of those packages, should I install them? I got top |
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| 13:42.54 | DammitJim | in top, it's funny that it says 9:54:20 for time |
| 13:44.36 | petn-randall | DammitJim: That's cpu time it's taken, looks legit to me. Does the CPU% show anything for the fsck process? |
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| 13:45.40 | DammitJim | it says 0.7 for %CPU |
| 13:46.28 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Can it be that you have very little RAM? |
| 13:46.35 | DammitJim | 8GB |
| 13:46.47 | DammitJim | I did read online that this could take "a long time" |
| 13:46.52 | DammitJim | just didn't think that it would take 2 days |
| 13:46.58 | DammitJim | or even more |
| 13:47.01 | petn-randall | DammitJim: install iotop, and check if there is any I/O on the disk. |
| 13:47.11 | petn-randall | DammitJim: This looks like it's stalled to me. |
| 13:47.39 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Or more likely your disk is broken and trying to read the same sector again and again. |
| 13:48.04 | DammitJim | the disk could be broken... that's why I was running the disk check |
| 13:48.05 | DammitJim | :D |
| 13:48.11 | petn-randall | ... |
| 13:48.21 | petn-randall | DammitJim: You have backups? |
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| 13:48.52 | DammitJim | actually this drive was a backup drive |
| 13:48.56 | DammitJim | so, nothing critical |
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| 13:49.21 | DammitJim | another reason why I didn't mind it being out of service for "24 hours" but now it's worrying me |
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| 13:49.43 | DammitJim | oh yeah, io is 99% |
| 13:49.49 | DammitJim | like disk io |
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| 13:50.39 | petn-randall | DammitJim: use "smartctl -a <blockdevice" to check for pending or offline sectors. |
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| 13:51.01 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Most Desktop drives only time out after several minutes of trying to read a sector. |
| 13:51.02 | DammitJim | k |
| 13:51.15 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Also check /var/log/kern.log for error messages regarding your drive. |
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| 13:51.53 | petn-randall | DammitJim: (smartctl is in the package "smartmontools", if you don't have it yet.) |
| 13:52.07 | DammitJim | I hav eit |
| 13:52.14 | DammitJim | but it doesn't say anything about offline sectors |
| 13:52.18 | DammitJim | it only gave me info about the drive |
| 13:52.36 | DammitJim | weird... it did say the drive doesn't support SMART |
| 13:52.42 | DammitJim | but I know it supports SMART |
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| 13:53.15 | petn-randall | DammitJim: smartctl -o on /dev/<device> |
| 13:53.51 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Wait, is this over USB/HW RAID Controller/Firewire? |
| 13:53.59 | DammitJim | usb |
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| 13:54.25 | Iridos | then not unexpected that it.. "doesn't support SMART" |
| 13:54.29 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Depending on if the chip supports it, you need to add other parameters, too. Check the man page to smartctl. |
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| 13:55.21 | DammitJim | sounds like I should let it churn |
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| 13:58.17 | petn-randall | DammitJim: if you have pending sectors, it'll take years to finish. I wouldn't hold my breath. ;) |
| 13:58.40 | DammitJim | lol |
| 13:58.41 | DammitJim | oh gosh |
| 13:58.50 | Darxus | Decided to reboot my computer last night. Turned out to be a bad idea. In gnome classic, my menus are now in kanji, despite gnome-control-center saying my region and language is in english. Any suggestions? |
| 13:58.50 | DammitJim | so, how do I see if there are pending sectors? |
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| 13:59.26 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Again, check the man page to smartctl to find the right parameter. It's -d something. |
| 14:00.09 | DammitJim | oh ok, but smartctl will tell me |
| 14:00.21 | DammitJim | and I'm doing /dev/sdd and not /dev/sdd1 for example |
| 14:01.20 | petn-randall | DammitJim: smartctl will tell you, if your device supports ATA passthrough and if you use /dev/sdd (the drive), not /dev/sdd1 (the first partition of said drive). |
| 14:01.42 | DammitJim | we were talking about the drive, not the partition, correct? |
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| 14:03.22 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Correct. |
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| 14:28.23 | ChrisWi | babilen: may I disturb once again ? |
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| 14:39.25 | babilen | ChrisWi: Just ask the channel … |
| 14:41.31 | ChrisWi | babilen: ok, .... |
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| 14:42.57 | ChrisWi | can someone help about grub2 conf ? usually I should edit /etc/default/grub for modifying grub |
| 14:43.15 | somiaj | ChrisWi: depends on what you want to modify in grub |
| 14:43.50 | ChrisWi | there is GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN which will modify multiboot line in menuentry ... |
| 14:43.56 | somiaj | ChrisWi: you can also add custom scripts to /etc/grub.d/ if you need more complicated modifactions than changing the variables in /etc/default/grub |
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| 14:44.05 | ChrisWi | is there a var for modifying 'module' line ? |
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| 14:44.51 | ChrisWi | somiaj: it looks like there is no VAR in /etc/default/grub for modifying module line |
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| 14:45.12 | ChrisWi | sorry, very new to debian and very new to grub2 |
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| 14:46.54 | somiaj | My famaliarty with grub is small so I don't know what this 'module' line is. But sounds like you may want to look at /etc/grub.d/README and create a custom script that adds a grub entry like you need |
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| 14:47.06 | somiaj | after that you can think about modify the default or what not |
| 14:47.25 | g3n3s1s | yay geschafft \ o/ |
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| 14:47.58 | ChrisWi | somiaj: thanks, think best is to modify 08_linux_xen |
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| 14:48.37 | somiaj | ChrisWi: I would still suggest making a custom one (leaving that alone) but that is just my suggestion -- i.e. keep the default one there for backup |
| 14:48.47 | petn-randall | ChrisWi: There's no module line. It's always better to explain what you're trying to achieve than to ask something very specific (because that'll prevent us from giving you a better approach). |
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| 14:50.44 | ChrisWi | petn-randall: see http://pastie.org/7315159 |
| 14:51.07 | ChrisWi | there is a module line. and there I need to add e.g. xen-pciback.permissive xen-pciback.hide=(08:06.0) |
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| 14:51.57 | ChrisWi | somiaj: will this one be overwritten on updates ? |
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| 14:52.23 | acu | hello guys |
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| 14:52.36 | petn-randall | ChrisWi: My squeeze uses linux and initrd for those lines, no idea why it's different with yours. |
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| 14:53.15 | somiaj | ChrisWi: no debconf does not overwrite files in /etc on updates, it does tell you if it has been changed and if there is a new one from the package though |
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| 14:54.30 | ChrisWi | somiaj: ok, then having backup of original is ok |
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| 14:54.58 | somiaj | ChrisWi: but listen to petn-randall, I only know the basics of how debian sets up the grub enteries. |
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| 14:56.17 | ChrisWi | where to send useful updates ? |
| 14:56.40 | acu | I thought in time, the questions I ask here would be of highest quality, here we are with some simple ones: ----- I run Wheezy - I have a host with 5 Virtual Machines (KVM virt-manager) and all of them need to use a common datased which can be several terabytes - I was thinking to create a virtual storage let's say 4 TB - but then what is the system that I could use to make that available for all machines - I was thinking to use CEPH |
| 14:56.40 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.02 | jpw | acu: having dabbled with this semi-recently nfs is one of the best solutions despite its obvious limitiations |
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| 14:59.38 | jpw | software like gluster, samba and a few others not worth noting all have an element of "what do i do if:..." that isnt covered by the docs that I wasn't satisfed with |
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| 15:02.03 | jpw | i've heard some horror stories of people losing access to petabyte datasets caused by a gluster failure. |
| 15:02.16 | Towzzer | so scary |
| 15:02.25 | Towzzer | you have to have two clusters |
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| 15:04.47 | javaneo | I'm trying to install sun-java6-jdk in order to compile Android, however I can't seem to find it on apt-get, I've added non-free to my /etc/apt/sources list, but whenever I try to apt it I get "no install candidate was found", can anyone hint me how to proceed ? |
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| 15:04.50 | jpw | totally the only thing worse that losing access a PB dataset is losing access to a PB dataset and not knowing how to access it again or |
| 15:05.28 | jpw | javaneo: have you run `apt-get update`? |
| 15:05.42 | javaneo | jpw: yes |
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| 15:06.28 | jpw | javaneo: could you drop relevany parts of sources.lst in to a paste please. |
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| 15:07.28 | javaneo | jpw: yes http://pastebin.com/stw0LaZz |
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| 15:07.54 | Asmageddon | Hey, some programs keep spamming: |
| 15:07.54 | Asmageddon | ALSA lib pcm.c:7339:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred |
| 15:07.54 | Asmageddon | Is this something to be concerned about? How do I fix it? |
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| 15:08.16 | ytheleus | javaneo: wasn't sun-java6-* dropped from wheezy? |
| 15:08.28 | javaneo | ytheleus: ? idk |
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| 15:09.44 | ytheleus | javaneo: I believe so - and Oracle licence change, IIRC |
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| 15:11.10 | abrotman | !tell javaneo about install java |
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| 15:14.18 | javaneo | ytheleus: abrotman , what does it mean that they're provided by Oralce ? I'm trying to compile Android on x86 and according to mm/android documentation their script requires java -version to return "Java SE 1.6" while I get 1.6.<...>icetea |
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| 15:16.20 | abrotman | javaneo: that means you've installed icedtea .. if you want the oracle JVM, you need to do that yourself |
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| 15:17.21 | javaneo | abrotman: from oracle ? |
| 15:17.25 | javaneo | :/ |
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| 15:17.41 | abrotman | also, Java 1.6 is fairly old ? |
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| 15:18.12 | ytheleus | javaneo: you may be able to build Android with OpenJDK, but afaik it's not supported |
| 15:18.25 | jelly | 1.6_43 is from March 2013 |
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| 15:18.37 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 15:18.39 | javaneo | hum. apparently I have broken my system packages while trying to fiddle w/ it, right now java -version brings "could not open `.../jvm.cfg" |
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| 15:18.52 | jelly | abrotman: but that's the last one ever, no more updates, you're on your own etc etc |
| 15:18.58 | Dewi | abrotman: did that package that would download java and install it correctly come back? |
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| 15:19.06 | Dewi | (the sun java) |
| 15:19.29 | Dewi | the ones in the factoid all sound like gnu java |
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| 15:19.58 | jelly | Dewi: java-package and its make-jpkg tool do not download it, do that on your own, but it does package it into a realtively nice .deb |
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| 15:20.06 | javaneo | and apt-get wants to install some ia32-libs, how can I stop it from giving me this message everytime I try to install some package w/ apt-get ? http://pastebin.com/qGJt10vw |
| 15:20.08 | jelly | ,v java-package |
| 15:20.10 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- sid/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; experimental/contrib: 0.51~exp1 |
| 15:22.08 | javaneo | can anyone advise? |
| 15:22.15 | Dewi | jelly: yeah, that's the one. Not in squeeze, but I guess it will be the right way to do it again soon |
| 15:22.54 | jelly | Dewi: you can install and use it on squeeze, fwiw |
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| 15:23.14 | babilen | javaneo: As I told you earlier: Oracle does /not/ support Java 6 anymore. OpenJDK is still supported by the lead dev (over at Red Hat) and the community, which is why you /really/ should use OpenJDK. |
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| 15:23.24 | jelly | Dewi: I generate oracle-j2sdk for 1.6 and 1.7 on wheezy and use it on squeeze installations |
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| 15:24.20 | javaneo | babilen: i will try to do it, how can I solve this apt-get issue ? |
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| 15:25.36 | Dewi | javaneo: where did you get ia32-sun-java6-bin from? |
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| 15:26.16 | javaneo | Dewi: I fetched it myself, there were some tutorials online saying it might be possible to install java that way :/ |
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| 15:26.24 | Dewi | javaneo: fetched from where? |
| 15:26.36 | javaneo | Dewi: debain |
| 15:26.39 | javaneo | debian |
| 15:26.49 | javaneo | packages.debian.org |
| 15:27.12 | Dewi | did you install with apt? |
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| 15:27.29 | javaneo | Dewi: I tried with dpkg -i, however it failed due to dependencies |
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| 15:27.57 | atannus | Good morning. |
| 15:28.01 | Dewi | javaneo: dpkg just installs packages, it doesn't download dependancies |
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| 15:28.14 | Dewi | javaneo: you are better off using apt |
| 15:28.23 | jparkton | where can I find help for the Debian-accessability issues |
| 15:28.30 | jparkton | or whatever |
| 15:28.45 | javaneo | Dewi: after it failed I tried running apt-get install -f , the horror began onward |
| 15:29.05 | Dewi | javaneo: what happens when you run "apt-get install -f" ? |
| 15:29.27 | Dewi | oops, I mean 'apt-get -f install' |
| 15:29.57 | javaneo | Dewi: it gives me a long list of packages related to ia32-lib which I'm not interested in installing |
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| 15:30.21 | Dewi | javaneo: ia32-sun-java6-bin depends on ia32-libs, it won't run without it |
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| 15:30.36 | javaneo | Dewi: ok, so I must remove it ? |
| 15:30.39 | atannus | I'm running Squeeze and have had some frequent desktop notices about kernel errors. Last week I got file corruption on a git repository after one such kernel error. Today I had another disk corruption after a kernel error. This never happened before Debian was installed (had Ubuntu 10.04). SMART says the disk is healthy so I'm suspecting processor or memory. How can I go about figuring this out? |
| 15:30.43 | javaneo | even though it's not installed ? |
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| 15:31.06 | Dewi | javaneo: it looks like it is installed, but broken, because you forced it to install without its dependancies |
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| 15:31.22 | ssm2017 | hello |
| 15:31.32 | Dewi | javaneo: if you don't want ia32-sun-java6-bin, try: apt-get remove ia32-sun-java6-bin |
| 15:31.38 | javaneo | Dewi: ok i will try to remove it, thanks |
| 15:32.00 | Dewi | javaneo: otherwise you will need to install it properly with its dependancies, no point having it half installed... |
| 15:32.16 | javaneo | Dewi: I would like to fully remove it |
| 15:32.27 | ssm2017 | i have installed wheezy on a multiboot mode under an imac with an ati radeo hd2600 xt card and when starting gnome, i have a black blank screen. any idea on where to look at ? |
| 15:32.28 | javaneo | and use openjdk |
| 15:32.39 | Dewi | javaneo: you usually don't need to run 'dpkg' directly if you are working with packages from repos, just let apt handle it |
| 15:33.06 | javaneo | Dewi: I will remember that, thanks |
| 15:33.16 | Dewi | javaneo: maybe, if openjdk can compile android... |
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| 15:34.33 | Dewi | javaneo: I'm not sure which JDK you are better off with for android, oracle or gnu. But either way you'd be better off using something newer than java 6, which is old and insecure |
| 15:35.01 | Dewi | (probably) |
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| 15:40.18 | childensday | java is never secure |
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| 15:41.52 | javaneo | Dewi: the question is whether or not dalvik will compile on newer version, w/o any interesting behavior of random segfaults :) |
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| 15:43.27 | jameshyde | anyone used lzop? |
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| 15:44.54 | petn-randall | jameshyde: Will there be a prize if I take part in your survey? |
| 15:45.00 | babilen | javaneo: Mind pasting the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy ia32-sun-java6-bin" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 15:45.17 | babilen | javaneo: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=lzop |
| 15:45.22 | babilen | err |
| 15:45.27 | babilen | jameshyde: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=lzop |
| 15:46.28 | mercutio22 | how can I find out if my machine has a dvd reader instead of a cd-rom reader |
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| 15:47.02 | javaneo | babilen: yes, http://pastebin.ca/2349647 |
| 15:47.10 | javaneo | babilen: what is a pinned package? |
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| 15:47.50 | chudler | Hi everyone. I'm looking for ideas to determine any/all packages that were actually used after it had been installed. |
| 15:48.27 | petn-randall | chudler: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:48.37 | chudler | I'm responsible for several computer labs for students. The computers have hundreds of packages installed and built up over the years. We're doing a rebuild for the first time in many years. My boss is asking which packages can be removed after all this time. The admins have lost track of what this is, believe it or not. |
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| 15:49.24 | chudler | I know this is terrible. The best idea so far is to use access times on various libs and tie it back to some particular software packages |
| 15:49.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell javaneo -about pinning |
| 15:49.51 | petn-randall | chudler: "used" in this context is a very broad term. |
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| 15:50.15 | petn-randall | chudler: Just install a minimal system, then add everything you explicitly need. |
| 15:50.19 | jameshyde | petn-randall: I really would like to know if such tool exists: to be able to recursively grep file contents for lzop file. newest 'xzgrep' could grep lzop file, but '-r' is not supported. |
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| 15:50.49 | babilen | javaneo: Well, either way you have to purge ia32-sun-java6-bin -- That package is /not/ in Debian and I have no idea where you found that -- If you installed it with dpkg you probably have to remove it with "dpkg --purge ia32-sun-java6-bin" as you are, most likely, missing dependencies. |
| 15:50.50 | chudler | petn-randall: thats what I suggested, but thats not the approach nonetheless. |
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| 15:51.08 | jelly | chudler: forget libs, if you have access times enabled, just try tracking the executables. |
| 15:51.32 | babilen | javaneo: Why didn't you simply install the default-jre package as I suggested some hours ago? (and mentioned in "/msg dpkg install java" that the bot sent you) |
| 15:51.51 | javaneo | babilen: i did it, however I got the same error in 'mm' |
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| 15:52.57 | chudler | jelly: The executables are somewhat easier from audit data. Many/most are actually packages by the admin customly, and large amount of programming/dev libs. The labs also support research and are quite huge in scope, hence the desire to do this in such a manor |
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| 15:54.03 | jelly | chudler: I'd still avoid the libs like the plague, and di it with include files or whatever the equivalent for a language is |
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| 15:54.25 | petn-randall | chudler: You'd have to make a list of tools that are used and not tracked in package form (Stuff e.g. installed by 'make install'). Then you can mark all libs as auto-dependencies, and then go through the list of other packages, removing stuff you don't need. |
| 15:54.29 | andyjpb | hi peeps |
| 15:54.48 | jelly | chudler: the point being that library packages are rather volatile and their names change over the releases |
| 15:55.12 | jelly | chudler: custom built tools are a whole different can of worms |
| 15:55.22 | andyjpb | I've got a debian squeeze usb stick with some syslinux, vmlinuz and debian-6.0.4 iso. I'm trying to turn it into a wheezy installer so I put debian-whezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso on there |
| 15:55.25 | chudler | jelly: hm, yes, thanks for the tip. Thats interesting. The custom ones are at least .debs that we create |
| 15:55.34 | javaneo | babilen: in other words, I have to edit those makefile to make it compatible w/ openjdk ;/ |
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| 15:55.58 | andyjpb | the boot kernel finds that iso but won't work with it because the module versions are different... so I tried to put the cdrom vmlinuz on there but that wants to install from a cd and doesn't have an option to find the iso |
| 15:56.11 | andyjpb | any idea where I can get the correct kernel for my usb stic/ |
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| 15:57.17 | linlin | i use a debian system as a |
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| 15:57.59 | zykotick9 | andyjpb: you are aware the debian ISOs are hybrid since squeeze right? you "should" be able to just cat the rc1 ISO to the usb and it "should" be bootable... |
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| 15:58.23 | linlin | i use a debian system as a DHCP server for testing HP bladecenters at work...which requires me to constantly open dhcpleases file on the debian machine to retrieve addresses that the server has leased out. are there any gui tools that i can use to look at this alot easier and possible remove leases that iknow i no longer need without editing text files |
| 15:58.32 | andyjpb | zykotick9: right... but when it finds it it says that the kernel versions are different and therefore the modules won't work |
| 15:58.42 | andyjpb | . o O perhaps I can use the squeeze kernel and the cdrom initrd? |
| 15:58.46 | andyjpb | hmm.. bad idea |
| 15:59.10 | andyjpb | zykotick9: ah.. cat.. I'm trying to use a usb stick that I have for other things |
| 15:59.22 | andyjpb | so I need that syslinux bootstrap bit |
| 15:59.26 | zykotick9 | andyjpb: i see, good luck. |
| 15:59.38 | andyjpb | I see.. |
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| 16:00.42 | suppy1 | i'm learning how to edit a liveCD by modifying squashfs file system. the liveCD i use asks me to create a root password each time. Can i configure a file with a password so it does not ask me each time ? |
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| 16:02.39 | andyjpb | zykotick9: are those kernels not available for wheezy yet? |
| 16:03.11 | zykotick9 | andyjpb: i have no clue. sorry, i have no suggestions for you. |
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| 16:04.32 | suppy1 | anyone ? |
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| 16:08.21 | babilen | andyjpb: How did you put the iso on the stick? |
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| 16:09.46 | andyjpb | babilen: cp |
| 16:11.01 | zykotick9 | babilen: but NOT cp to the entire USB, andyjpb is try to use this USB for multiple uses - not just as installer. see andyjpb message from 11:55 (adjust for local time) if you where in the channel then. |
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| 16:11.38 | andyjpb | I "just" need the usb kernel and initrd |
| 16:11.39 | andyjpb | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:11.45 | andyjpb | but when I click thru there aren't any |
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| 16:12.18 | andyjpb | for other debian versions I put the usb kernel, initrd and syslinux on a usb stick with a fat filesystem |
| 16:12.27 | andyjpb | I copy the netinst iso into there as well and then it installs |
| 16:12.40 | andyjpb | I got this process from the etch or squeeze or lenny install manual |
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| 16:15.43 | andyjpb | ok... all is well |
| 16:15.51 | andyjpb | the hd_media image does what i want |
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| 16:23.37 | lenswipe | can someone tell me what of this needs removing? |
| 16:23.37 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/X8SWZQXq |
| 16:23.43 | lenswipe | to upgade to wheezy that is |
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| 16:25.37 | andyjpb | lenswipe: change 'squeeze' to 'wheezy'? it should say in the install / upgrade manual |
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| 16:25.48 | lenswipe | hmm |
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| 16:26.55 | i4c | hi |
| 16:27.00 | benkinooby | hi, some1 here who has experience with UPSes adn graceful shutdown? |
| 16:27.05 | benkinooby | *and |
| 16:27.06 | i4c | is there a gui installer with debian ? |
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| 16:27.37 | Woet | i4c: what isn't gui about the correct one? |
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| 16:27.55 | Woet | current one * |
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| 16:28.13 | i4c | so there is , thx Woet |
| 16:28.31 | Woet | i4c: the current one has ncurses and I'd consider that a GUID |
| 16:28.33 | Woet | -D |
| 16:28.36 | benkinooby | :D |
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| 16:29.18 | i4c | i mean like as easy to install as mint, manjaro or buntus |
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| 16:29.59 | ChrisH | honestly the TUI is much easier as any GUI stuff |
| 16:30.18 | Woet | i4c: what isn't easy about the current installer? |
| 16:30.26 | Woet | i'd suggest you just boot it up and ask questions when you encounter them |
| 16:31.24 | i4c | i have never installed or seen the TUI gonna youtube it, then will be back for some questions if i have any |
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| 16:31.47 | i4c | its just a impression i had from the way people talked about debian |
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| 16:33.29 | emss | i4c i think it requires you to be literate |
| 16:33.40 | benkinooby | i4c, as long as you have a sencond computer at hadn with internet connection you gonna be fine :) |
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| 16:36.57 | lroe | anyone know how to get the little boot tuxes back? |
| 16:37.29 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 16:37.42 | mercutio22 | my cdrom is not being listed |
| 16:37.44 | mercutio22 | wtf |
| 16:37.50 | lenswipe | anyone know if wheezy has the gnome shell lock screen? |
| 16:38.29 | Cavil | lenswipe: what does it looks like im on wheezy with g3 installed |
| 16:38.46 | lenswipe | Cavil, I don't have wheezy - that's why I'm asking |
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| 16:39.01 | Cavil | I'll screenshot |
| 16:39.04 | lenswipe | I want to know if it has this: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p1SNKSZfQ4Q/UIEdhKpoNLI/AAAAAAAALG8/8C-gTORnwR8/s1600/ubuntu-gnome-12.10-lockscreen.png |
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| 16:39.44 | Cavil | Nope. |
| 16:39.48 | Cavil | Nice though. |
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| 16:40.29 | i4c | haha emss then its probably too hard, jk, anyway on youtube is seemed even better/easier then the ones i mentioned :) |
| 16:40.33 | i4c | thx for help guys |
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| 16:45.16 | i4c | 1 more question where would be the appropriate place to ask for packages to be included in the repos ? |
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| 16:48.06 | GREENBIBO | http://www.reddit.com/r/onlyteensgallery/comments/1bo3h6/melissa_black_double_anal_penetration/ |
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| 16:49.18 | zykotick9 | !tell i4c about rfp |
| 16:49.41 | Mickou | hi all, i have a little question, how can i crypt a partition without less my datas ? |
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| 16:51.16 | dimitry7 | hi guys, how do I check for updates on squeeze? |
| 16:51.49 | petn-randall | dimitry7: On a squeeze system? Check the man page to apt-get. |
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| 16:52.01 | dimitry7 | :/ |
| 16:52.44 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, there is nothing related to check-for-updates |
| 16:52.48 | dimitry7 | or something |
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| 16:53.44 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: believe it or not, "apt-get update" might be what you're looking for... |
| 16:53.54 | mallxs | hmmm google tells me they stopped supporting my version of debian .. i have 6.0.7 and the requirement s say it needs 6+ |
| 16:54.29 | zykotick9 | mallxs: you mean iceweasel? see mozilla.debian.net for info in getting a newer version. |
| 16:54.45 | mallxs | No it is about chrome browser |
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| 16:55.03 | morion | does chromium-browser work? |
| 16:55.06 | zykotick9 | mallxs: "chome" isn't a debian package. |
| 16:55.10 | dimitry7 | Zyferus, apt-get update , in fact updadates, I just want to see what updates are needed. |
| 16:55.25 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, , apt-get update , in fact updadates, I just want to see what updates are needed. |
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| 16:56.25 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: all updated are security/bug fixes. and "a-g update" just updates the apt database. upgrade/dist-upgrade actually updates the software... |
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| 16:57.57 | morion | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to update your apt repos and recheck your sources.list, and then install all viable updates. |
| 16:58.19 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, and how do I compare the versions of packages I have versus the available up-to-date ones? |
| 16:58.47 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: "apt-cache policy foo" replacing foo with the package your interested in. |
| 16:58.54 | petn-randall | dimitry7: The version number? Or the contents? |
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| 16:59.29 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, both |
| 16:59.43 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: be aware, that packages in debian stable ONLY get security/bug fixes, NOT version updates. |
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| 16:59.49 | petn-randall | dimitry7: If you're worried about the changes, the package apt-listchanges can hook into the apt-get upgrade and displays the changelog to you. |
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| 17:00.08 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Then you can decide if you want to install them or not. |
| 17:00.32 | dimitry7 | but it needs a .deb |
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| 17:01.16 | petn-randall | dimitry7: But if you're on squeeze, you can nearly blindly install the updates, they're only security bugfixes, or other important fixes. |
| 17:01.22 | petn-randall | dimitry7: What needs a .deb? |
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| 17:02.17 | dimitry7 | $ apt-listchanges use mode: apt-listchanges [options] {--apt | file.deb ...} |
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| 17:02.58 | wolf29 | Anyone know if Debian has a patch for this postgresql security issue? http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2013-1899 |
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| 17:03.49 | petn-randall | dimitry7: dpkg-reconfigure -plow apt-listchanges |
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| 17:03.59 | petn-randall | dimitry7: You *don't* have to run it by hand. |
| 17:04.15 | petn-randall | dimitry7: it = apt-listchanges, the executeable. |
| 17:04.23 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, okay, those commands are really new to me :-/ |
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| 17:04.32 | dimitry7 | I am running them... hold ond |
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| 17:05.07 | petn-randall | dimitry7: No problem, keep in mind, that there's an excellent handbook at http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 17:05.40 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Reading that in your free time will give you more info than you can get in the same time of asking for tips here :) |
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| 17:06.15 | morion | Also, experience is just as good as any handbook. If you keep trying and refer to the handbook or IRC whenever you hit a bump, you will be a pro in no time! |
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| 17:06.26 | andyjpb | during wheezy installation, what are the kernels linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64? |
| 17:06.30 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: i really have to question the value in checking every update for stable. 99.99% you want them all? |
| 17:06.33 | andyjpb | is one fixed to the version and one not? |
| 17:06.34 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, hehe ok |
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| 17:07.10 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, my boss asked me not to update packages that can interrupt system correct functioning :S |
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| 17:07.20 | petn-randall | andyjpb: linux-image-amd64 is a meta package that will always depend on the latest amd64 linux image. You generally want that. |
| 17:07.37 | petn-randall | andyjpb: the other one will install that specific kernel version, and just that. |
| 17:07.39 | suppy | how can i change root password in command line ? |
| 17:07.53 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: with "stable" that number _should be_ zero... |
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| 17:07.53 | petn-randall | suppy: passwd |
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| 17:08.21 | petn-randall | dimitry7: What your boss expects goes without saying in Debian stable. |
| 17:08.25 | andyjpb | petn-randall: thanks |
| 17:08.28 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, okay |
| 17:08.38 | petn-randall | andyjpb: You're welcome, any time again :) |
| 17:08.56 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, perfect! :D |
| 17:09.04 | TheWarden | I'm creating a automatic install of Debian with the use of a preseed file, for some reason its not automatically setting up the partition as its prompting me to do choose and then what device to use. What would I have wrong in the preseed file, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b? |
| 17:10.41 | TheWarden | Also when I attempted to do the automatic install it gets to a point where it says Running preseed... and gets to about 26% and then just hangs. I let it got for about 5 to 7 minutes with no sign of activity light on the hard drive or on the USB stick. |
| 17:11.00 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, #apt-get update ... updates my packages list... and to actually update the packages do I do: # apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 17:11.58 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Correct. If you set up apt-listchanges, it'll show you the changelog after downloading the packages, and will then ask you if you want to upgrade. |
| 17:12.22 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, ok perfect, let me try it... |
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| 17:13.04 | acu | hello guys - I have a wheezy installed with GNOME and one with XFCE - I do not want either gnome or XFCE to start at the boot (I want to login and then startx) - how do I take GNOME and or XFCE off (in one I have gdm3 in other kdm |
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| 17:16.31 | TheWarden | I'm using the partman/early_command to set the disk device to use and where grub will be installed as far as I know that works but I guess it is not since its prompting for input. How can I test this?? |
| 17:16.38 | TheWarden | or better yet debug it? |
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| 17:17.45 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, how do I set up apt-listchanges? |
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| 17:18.44 | suppy | question : how can i make debian login as "usermike" when it boots ? security is not important in this case. |
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| 17:23.16 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, also, I don't what to see what has changed from version to versin for a specific package... I want to see what packages of my system are not up-to-date |
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| 17:24.54 | DammitJim | can one change the beep tone/freequency on a machine? |
| 17:25.26 | somiaj | acu: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:25.37 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: yes |
| 17:25.41 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: man xset; for details |
| 17:25.42 | DammitJim | xset something? |
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| 17:25.50 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: it's xset b |
| 17:26.00 | dimitry7 | I need to check for pending Squeeze updates |
| 17:26.16 | somiaj | doesn't it depend what is beeping? can't you also set that in ~/.inputrc |
| 17:26.37 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: if it's in X and there's a beep, it's xset. For the console, it's different |
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| 17:26.57 | DammitJim | can one call the beep from the terminal? |
| 17:27.04 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: in the console you use setterm -bfreq; or setterm -blength; |
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| 17:27.22 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: beep will do it |
| 17:27.40 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh I just know I 'set bell-style none' in ~/.inputrc and it makes both consoles and xterms stop beeping so much |
| 17:27.46 | DammitJim | hhmm... seems I'm missing a package |
| 17:27.50 | DammitJim | oh no, I have xset beep off |
| 17:27.52 | DammitJim | that's probably why |
| 17:28.13 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: actually, XkbBellEvent() will do it, I think |
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| 17:28.27 | DammitJim | dondelelcaro, how do you invoke that? |
| 17:28.30 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: that just controls whether the terminal rings the bell when you do stuff |
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| 17:29.39 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: xkbbell should do it in X. |
| 17:29.59 | dondelelcaro | I forgot that beep directly mucks with the pc speaker |
| 17:30.02 | dondelelcaro | which isn't what you want |
| 17:30.13 | DammitJim | oh, it's coming out of the headphones I had plugged in for this laptop |
| 17:30.18 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 17:30.30 | dondelelcaro | "where is that faint beeping noise coming from?" |
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| 17:33.44 | wolf29 | do security patches get added to debian-backports automagically? |
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| 17:34.10 | stack | hello, I found a bug report in ubuntu regarding rts_bpp, a module to get a card reader working, installing that deb works also in debian but I was wondering if that module will be in some debian version of linux or in a dedicated package also in debian. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks/+bug/971876 |
| 17:34.50 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: no |
| 17:35.31 | dondelelcaro | stack: if someone packages it (or has packaged it) it'll be in Debian. [Alternatively, if it gets included upstream in the kernel, it'll also be included in Debian.] |
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| 17:36.53 | wolf29 | gracias dondelelcaro: |
| 17:37.15 | stack | dondelelcaro: I was wondering if that module is called differently here in debian |
| 17:37.48 | dondelelcaro | stack: if that's what upstream calls it, it will probably have the same name |
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| 17:38.07 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: no problem; that said, we do try to get security updates into backports as well, but it's just not an automatic process. |
| 17:38.13 | stack | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
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| 17:44.33 | wolf29 | dondelelcaro: I am tracking a recent postgres issue and it is already in the wheezy-repo. How would I find out if it is also in the back-ports (running Postgresql 9.1 on squeeze). |
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| 17:46.40 | mllie | Hello |
| 17:46.57 | mllie | What is a good setup of nginx with PHP? When I try to install php5-fpm it says the package does not exist |
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| 17:48.09 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: oh, that one. |
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| 17:49.01 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: I believe backports has the wheezy2 package currently. I think the actual security release for that posgresql bug hasn't happened yet (but I could be wrong) |
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| 17:51.15 | wolf29 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I am pro-active about patching, but future-proofing has eluded me, so far. |
| 17:51.17 | drag0nius | how much does small install cd download from internet? afaik i'll need to use it just as router and fileserver |
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| 17:51.45 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: so yeah, it looks like for this package, it's already uploaded to squeeze-backports |
| 17:52.28 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql-9.1 has some of it, but for to-the-minute accuracy, you have to use rmadison |
| 17:52.55 | suppy | how to autologin a user in debian when it boots ? |
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| 17:53.28 | zykotick9 | drag0nius: netinst is actually poorly named, it doesn't need anything from internet to get a "base" system installed. |
| 17:53.29 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: if you're running amd64, you should be able to upgrade now, or very close to now. If you're running some other architecture, you'll have to wait for the autobuilders to build it |
| 17:53.44 | drag0nius | ok, great |
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| 17:54.04 | r0b- | are their any issues with chromium/flash on Debian 64bit? |
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| 17:54.15 | wolf29 | dondelelcaro: I am running amd64. Maybe I will be lucky. |
| 17:54.30 | r0b- | or is it only Firefox? |
| 17:54.33 | drag0nius | is there any recommendation for using 32/64 bit versions? |
| 17:54.53 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: you'll know you've got it if you have the 9.1.9-1~bpo60+1 package |
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| 17:55.32 | zykotick9 | drag0nius: if you need to ask, i'd suggest 32bit ;) |
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| 17:56.33 | wolf29 | I don't think I have that one. |
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| 17:57.27 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: ok; your mirror might not have updated yet, then. |
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| 17:58.15 | wolf29 | dondelelcaro: then by tomorrow, you think it will be in there? |
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| 17:59.29 | dimitry7 | How do I check for pending updates in squeeze? |
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| 17:59.59 | dimitry7 | or how do I see what updates are missing? |
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| 18:00.40 | SmashingX | hi guys, I just have a question, seems like my radeon cideo card is not working properly on Debian, when I want to play a game is so laggy, how can I know if it's working or not? |
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| 18:00.57 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: you could subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list, and get emails when updates are made available (and reason why) |
| 18:01.03 | SmashingX | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] |
| 18:01.16 | SmashingX | this supposed to be good for graphics right? |
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| 18:01.43 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, I don't need suck and advanced thing. I just need to know what updates I need now |
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| 18:02.12 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: yeah, or even in the next 6-12 hours if your mirror isn't slow |
| 18:02.20 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: then "apt-get update" and it'll say if any are available? |
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| 18:03.12 | TuxCannon | I wonder what's better, to stay with Squeeze or to upgrade to Wheezy and use MATE |
| 18:03.32 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, where? |
| 18:03.40 | zykotick9 | TuxCannon: Mate isn't a debian package... just sayin' |
| 18:03.59 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: where what? run "apt-get update", from a terminal. |
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| 18:04.26 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, |
| 18:04.27 | dimitry7 | Obj http://cdn.debian.net squeeze-updates/non-free amd64 Packages |
| 18:04.27 | dimitry7 | Obj http://cdn.debian.net squeeze-updates/main amd64 Packages |
| 18:04.57 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, and where do I see what packages need to be updated? |
| 18:04.59 | TuxCannon | zykotick9: But there's a repo? Yeah I know 3rd party repositories aren't a good thing but still |
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| 18:05.25 | zykotick9 | dimitry7: as you use non-free, i'll decline to assist you further. best of luck. |
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| 18:06.15 | dimitry7 | sicotico |
| 18:06.19 | dimitry7 | zykotick9, |
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| 18:06.25 | dimitry7 | it is not me is my boss :-( |
| 18:06.28 | wolf29 | dondelelcaro: I am seeing that update in backports already. Thanks and thanks again. |
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| 18:07.25 | dondelelcaro | wolf29: awesome |
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| 18:08.12 | wolf29 | d |
| 18:08.23 | wolf29 | oops - wrong cli |
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| 18:09.42 | dimitry7 | guys, how do I see what updates are pending on squeeze? |
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| 18:10.32 | rndnick492 | dimitry7: -s |
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| 18:14.07 | dimitry7 | rndnick492, -s what? |
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| 18:16.07 | dimitry7 | rndnick492, -s what????? |
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| 18:16.41 | jelly-home | dimitry7: you can run aptitude -s full-upgrade |
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| 18:17.59 | yaf_elec | hello, can someone help me with the wireless at my laptop ? |
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| 18:18.58 | dimitry7 | safe-upgrade |
| 18:19.11 | rndnick492 | dimitry7: -s for --simulate |
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| 18:19.24 | dimitry7 | no instead if full, safe |
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| 18:19.43 | jelly-home | dimitry7: nope, full-upgrade is the correct command to use. |
| 18:19.50 | rndnick492 | dimitry7: man pages for apt-get and aptitude suggest -s for --simulate |
| 18:19.59 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, ok |
| 18:20.23 | rndnick492 | ah sorry |
| 18:20.26 | rndnick492 | now got it |
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| 18:20.40 | zykotick9 | yaf_elec: what card/chipset is it? try "lspci -nn | grep -i network" and see if you see your wireless listed, if so what is the PCIID (it'll look like, [168c:001c])? |
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| 18:21.43 | ftoledo | i use reprepro for my own repo, i have a distribution in the conf/distributions files ,, and now i want to add a myrepo/updates, to setup a secureirty updates for my packages. ist will work only adding new dist and pute the name like myrepo/updates ? |
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| 18:22.29 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, aptitude -s full-upgrade will update Apache which will restart the service... and this is my web server I can't stop it. |
| 18:22.29 | ftoledo | or i need to specified that it is a updates repository |
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| 18:22.49 | dimitry7 | that's why I need to choose what to update |
| 18:23.01 | jelly-home | dimitry7: -s won't do a thing. |
| 18:23.10 | jelly-home | it's a dry run |
| 18:23.43 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, even though it says it will install them? |
| 18:23.48 | rndnick492 | most cli programs use -s --simulate or -n --dry-run to show what they would do |
| 18:23.49 | dimitry7 | and what is the purpose of that? |
| 18:24.11 | rndnick492 | to check first |
| 18:24.38 | dimitry7 | ok it says download install and remove packages :-/ |
| 18:24.39 | jelly-home | dimitry7: to do exactly what you wanted, -- see what would be done, and what packages would get upgraded |
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| 18:24.56 | jelly-home | dimitry7: right, it stops just short of actually downloading stuff |
| 18:25.43 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, ok ok, perfect!!! Now how can I disable apache from being installed? |
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| 18:25.53 | jelly-home | dimitry7: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 18:30.10 | dimitry7 | jelly, and how do i use hold? :S I don't understand the guide |
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| 18:31.28 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, , and how do i use hold? :S I don't understand the guide |
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| 18:34.16 | SeanFC | I was in here about half an hour ago trying to sort out my wifi, someone suggested I upgrade to wheezy. I did. Now nither my wifi or ethernet work. Could someone lend me a hand? |
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| 18:37.16 | acu | SeanFC, first you should do an IP addr and see whether your wire gets an IP - if not make sure everything is connected and do a service newtorking restart -- you have to have /etc/network/interfaces properly set |
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| 18:38.30 | acu | SeanFC, did you install gnome or kds or lxde ? |
| 18:38.46 | SeanFC | xfce |
| 18:38.53 | acu | first you need to know what hardware do you have: lspci |
| 18:38.54 | SeanFC | acu: xfce |
| 18:39.36 | SeanFC | acu: Broadcom Coporation BCM43224 801.11a/b/g/n (rev 01) |
| 18:39.43 | acu | this will tell you what wifi card you have - you may need to enable non-free repositories --- nano /etc/apt/sources.list (add after man contrib non-free) |
| 18:39.45 | SeanFC | acu: ist listed as the network controller |
| 18:39.51 | acu | then update your list |
| 18:39.56 | acu | aptitude update |
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| 18:40.15 | jelly-home | dimitry7: aptitude hold packagename |
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| 18:40.53 | jelly-home | dimitry7: after that, aptitude will try not to touch packagename |
| 18:40.57 | acu | SeanFC, I did not use XFCE since very long - I just rediscovered it yestarday - and start using it today |
| 18:41.24 | acu | but I would install gnome - because it will take care on its own for a lot of things including wifi |
| 18:41.34 | acu | aptitude install gnome |
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| 18:43.43 | SeanFC | acu: I'd rather not install gnome and try and get xfce working |
| 18:45.33 | acu | SeanFC yes, I do not exactly but I think you need to add the non-free -- well good luck, for XFCE, I am sure you can do it, I just share what I know works -- anyhow , you might need to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:46.42 | SeanFC | acu: Thanks and thanks for the help. I'm sure I'll be able to get it sorted at some point |
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| 18:47.34 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, perfect... I've been checking the docs and came to the conclusion that dpkg --set-selections .. shows the packages that are going to be (install, hold etc) if we do #apt-get upgrade .. am I right?? |
| 18:48.42 | acu | SeanFC, if you do enable non-free and go and install firmware-linux-nonfree usually it initiates the wifi automatically when you reboot - so it may go that way |
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| 18:49.14 | SeanFC | acu: the problem at the moment is that upgrading to wheezy stoped the ethernet working |
| 18:49.21 | acu | XFCE is really nice and clean without useless games and all stuff - I am going to use it myself as main desktop |
| 18:49.23 | SeanFC | acu: so I can't get to the internet and updage |
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| 18:49.32 | acu | SeanFC |
| 18:49.42 | acu | that is easy. you just need to ifup eth0 |
| 18:49.53 | acu | or whatever you see when you type ip addr |
| 18:49.58 | acu | ifup eth0 |
| 18:50.14 | acu | maybe you need to ifdown eth0 first then ifup |
| 18:50.24 | SeanFC | acu: ip addr only has lo interface and ifup eth0 "cannot find device "eth0"" |
| 18:50.25 | acu | it gets confused with ethernet |
| 18:50.43 | acu | OK, so your ethernet card is not recocgnized |
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| 18:50.51 | SeanFC | I'm guessing so |
| 18:51.07 | acu | shutdown the computer - wait for 10 seconds, reboot it |
| 18:51.12 | acu | you maybe lucky :) |
| 18:51.25 | SeanFC | done that twice |
| 18:51.33 | acu | but if eth0 does not show it, it is a bit tough |
| 18:51.38 | SeanFC | yeh... |
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| 18:52.12 | SeanFC | I'll restart again, you never know |
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| 18:52.55 | acu | SeanFC: did you install it from scratch ? |
| 18:53.00 | ftoledo | anybody work with reprepro? |
| 18:53.04 | acu | just download amd64 netinstol |
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| 18:53.24 | SeanFC | acu: I install squeeze first then people here suggested I upgrade to wheezy |
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| 18:55.56 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, perfect... I've been checking the docs and came to the conclusion that dpkg --set-selections .. shows the packages that are going to be (install, hold etc) if we do #apt-get upgrade .. am I right?? |
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| 18:58.22 | izrail | hi |
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| 18:58.40 | Bsims | howdy izrail |
| 18:58.47 | izrail | i have a networking config related question ... |
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| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | dimitry7: if you meant --get-selections, then yes |
| 18:59.24 | acu | SeanFC: install wheezy from scratch, the installer is preety good - however since you have some issues, I would let gnome installed - but the fact that the eth card is not seen, something is fishy here |
| 18:59.38 | Bsims | izrail: ask away... someone may know how to fix it |
| 18:59.44 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, oohh.. cool :) |
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| 19:00.01 | Slugze | Hello folks |
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| 19:01.26 | izrail | i have a server with one ethernet interface that gets assigned 2 ip addresses in different subnets (eth0 = 192.168.1.10 and eth0:1 = 192.168.2.10). for eth0 i add the gateway statement to get the gateway to work. for eth0:1 i have a "post-up route add" statement assigning a default gateway with a metric of 2 |
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| 19:01.39 | izrail | this is the config i am using: http://pastebin.com/UnMUSSxz |
| 19:02.43 | ftoledo | hi all, im search little help with reprepro |
| 19:02.59 | izrail | now, when i want to add a third address, but in one of the already assigned subnets (i.e. 192.168.2.11), how would i add a default gateway in this case? |
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| 19:03.59 | izrail | of course it is the same gateway and the eth0:1 block already assigns a default gw |
| 19:04.35 | izrail | but if i shut down eth0:1 the pre-down statement removes the default gateway that could still be used by eth0:2 |
| 19:05.08 | zykotick9 | ftoledo: there does seem to be a #reprepro channel, with a handful of people in it |
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| 19:06.39 | izrail | did anyone get my point? :) |
| 19:06.46 | Towzzer | no |
| 19:06.49 | Towzzer | try again |
| 19:06.53 | izrail | here is a full example of what i am trying to do: http://pastebin.com/k8D1CD4M |
| 19:06.58 | Towzzer | you want two default gws? |
| 19:06.59 | Towzzer | or something |
| 19:07.15 | Towzzer | if you add a third address why do you need another gateway |
| 19:07.22 | izrail | the route add for eth0:2 does not work, as there already is a default route 192.168.2.1 |
| 19:07.28 | Towzzer | right |
| 19:07.35 | dondelelcaro | izrail: you don't need a default gateway for it |
| 19:07.36 | Towzzer | so what's wrong |
| 19:08.03 | dondelelcaro | izrail: in fact, in general you can only have one default gateway unless you're doing more complicated routing |
| 19:08.05 | Towzzer | you can only have one default gateway |
| 19:08.18 | izrail | Towzzer i do not need another gateway for eth0:2, as it is added by eth0:1 ... but when i shutdown eth0:1 it removes the gateway that eth0:2 was using |
| 19:08.26 | Towzzer | oh |
| 19:08.37 | dimitry7 | jelly-home, I am almost done. I need to do #apt-get upgrade ... but I need to do this in a safety way... any advice?? |
| 19:08.40 | Towzzer | it shouldn't, how are you adding the gateway? |
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| 19:09.08 | Towzzer | if you have it assigned within the adapter section it will be removed |
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| 19:09.18 | Towzzer | you can also assign it outside, though I don't know how to do that on start |
| 19:09.27 | TheWarden | Is there some way to test the code I have in partman/early_command within the preseed file? https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b |
| 19:09.32 | Towzzer | right but it needs the interface id |
| 19:09.52 | izrail | this is an example config -> http://pastebin.com/k8D1CD4M |
| 19:09.57 | mifne | Hi all, is there any easy way to get more recent kernel on a stable version of debian ? |
| 19:09.59 | Towzzer | you need to find the script that removes the gateway and add in route add default gw x.x.x.x eth0:2 |
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| 19:10.02 | TheWarden | As far as I can tell the code is good but its still prompting me at install of Debian to choose how to partition and then the device to use. |
| 19:10.02 | izrail | maybe i am doing it wrong in the first playe? |
| 19:10.10 | izrail | playe -> place |
| 19:10.19 | dondelelcaro | izrail: why are you calling post-up and pre-down in eth0:1? |
| 19:10.34 | dondelelcaro | izrail: you already create the gateway in eth0. You don't need to do it in eth0:1. |
| 19:10.36 | izrail | to add the second gateway |
| 19:10.37 | Towzzer | right you can't add two default gateways |
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| 19:10.39 | zykotick9 | !tell mifne about bdo kernel |
| 19:10.47 | izrail | yes, but it is a different gateway ... |
| 19:10.51 | izrail | 1 interface, 2 vlans |
| 19:11.00 | TheWarden | The code I have basically grabs the first device that is not USB as I'm installing Debian via a USB flash drive. |
| 19:11.03 | Towzzer | in fact, eth0 has the default gateway set |
| 19:11.20 | Towzzer | izrail you need to add the routes based on the network not as 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:11.54 | izrail | hmmm ... but that does not give me failover then, does it? |
| 19:12.19 | izrail | i thought i could do kind of HA ... having a default gw to two routers ... |
| 19:12.42 | mifne | zykotick9: it's look like this macro is is not supported by the robot, can you tell me more aboute this, i search now for bdo kernel but not found to much |
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| 19:12.48 | Towzzer | right , you can't have that enabled at once but you can configure that to change |
| 19:12.50 | peterrooney | mifne: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:13.00 | zykotick9 | !bdo kernel |
| 19:13.01 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 19:13.04 | Towzzer | I think |
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| 19:13.09 | izrail | :) |
| 19:13.54 | mifne | zykotick9: peterrooney: Thx |
| 19:13.54 | zykotick9 | mifne: you should have gotten a PM from dpkg in your irc client (the 1st time) |
| 19:14.01 | izrail | ok, that kind of helps me ... then i will have to get another solution for this ... maybe by polling ... |
| 19:14.16 | Towzzer | izrail, you need to have some thing see that an interface goes down and change the gateway |
| 19:14.29 | Towzzer | but that assumes you do ifdown right? |
| 19:14.36 | Towzzer | if a network failure occurs how does it know that |
| 19:14.39 | Towzzer | to change the gateway |
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| 19:15.35 | izrail | well right ... maybe by sending a ping to the default gw every 5 sec ... |
| 19:15.49 | izrail | i was hoping there is a better solution :) |
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| 19:16.11 | Towzzer | I do failover at the firewall |
| 19:16.14 | ssm2017 | hello |
| 19:16.19 | Towzzer | like two pfsense boxes |
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| 19:17.46 | dimitry7 | # apt-get upgrade or # apt-get full-upgrade ? |
| 19:18.16 | izrail | well, actually it's not a LAN but a server using public addresses ... i have no influence on the firewall or routers |
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| 19:19.26 | izrail | what i am thinking is: whenever i get a packet in over eth0:1 i would answer using the wrong ip address because my default gw is eth0 which has an address in another subnet |
| 19:19.31 | izrail | am i right there? |
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| 19:19.59 | Towzzer | no, it goes back over that interface with the ip of eth0:1 the translation occurs at the nat device |
| 19:20.16 | Towzzer | oh wait |
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| 19:21.04 | izrail | no nat device ... :) |
| 19:21.26 | Towzzer | then how is your address 192.168. blah |
| 19:21.34 | izrail | yea ... sorry ... |
| 19:21.38 | izrail | <izrail> well, actually it's not a LAN but a server using public addresses ... i have no influence on the firewall or routers |
| 19:21.41 | Towzzer | oh |
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| 19:21.55 | Towzzer | then you are going to go out on the other ip and this might cause problems |
| 19:22.06 | izrail | right |
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| 19:22.10 | izrail | i think so |
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| 19:22.21 | Towzzer | you need to add a rule that forwards packets that have the source of the second ip to the second ips gateway |
| 19:22.21 | Towzzer | that's what routers do |
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| 19:24.46 | izrail | ahh ... so the source would be the second ip address? i thought, i get the packet in and the server would use the first address as the source when answering (because of its default gw bound to the interface with the first address) |
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| 19:25.13 | izrail | if it will answer using the correct source address its no big deal to add the correct rules to iptables i assume ... |
| 19:25.33 | aswen | hi there, how should i make sure that my wheezy laptop runs pm-suspend when i close my laptoplid? |
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| 19:25.52 | nidhoegger | hi, i got a little problem |
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| 19:26.07 | Towzzer | what's that sir |
| 19:26.13 | nidhoegger | as soon as i mount an usb hdd on my debian, it keeps accessing the drive causing it to spin permanently |
| 19:26.17 | nidhoegger | mounted with noatime |
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| 19:26.34 | Towzzer | do you mean the drive never enters sleep? |
| 19:26.40 | izrail | aswen i am using debian on my laptop, but i think it's no difference ... look at /etc/acpi/defaults.sh |
| 19:26.44 | nidhoegger | accessing the hdd every seconds (led blinks) |
| 19:27.06 | Bsims | nidhoegger: Hrm... is it mounted correctly? |
| 19:27.11 | nidhoegger | yes |
| 19:27.16 | nidhoegger | i guess |
| 19:27.31 | Bsims | hrm maybe a lsof /dev/whatever and see whats trying to access it |
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| 19:27.37 | nidhoegger | mount -o defaults,noatime /dev/sda1 /media/storage -t ext4 |
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| 19:27.46 | nidhoegger | thats the point. nothing tries it |
| 19:27.46 | aswen | izrail, I just tried executed pm-suspend and wow! my laptop suspended without any problem, yay. i'll have a look in the defaults.sh, thanx |
| 19:27.51 | nidhoegger | lsof gives me no output |
| 19:27.56 | Bsims | I'm thinking something like the gnome indexer or kde's indexer |
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| 19:28.38 | nidhoegger | there is no gnome or kde installed |
| 19:28.40 | nidhoegger | command line only |
| 19:28.47 | Bsims | nidhoegger: did you try the lsof as root? |
| 19:28.47 | nidhoegger | want to use the PC as fileserver |
| 19:28.51 | nidhoegger | yes |
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| 19:29.29 | Bsims | hrm there was no output at all? |
| 19:29.36 | nidhoegger | nope |
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| 19:30.03 | nidhoegger | thats why i came here, i have no clue what the problem is... |
| 19:30.08 | nidhoegger | it is a fresh base install |
| 19:30.09 | TheWarden | Is there anyone familiar with working with a Debian preseed file? I'm trying to figure out why mine is not auto partitioning/choosing device as well as why its hanging at Running Preseed file dialog. https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b |
| 19:30.59 | Bsims | nidhoegger: no idea, but try fuser |
| 19:31.05 | Bsims | nidhoegger: man fuser |
| 19:31.37 | nidhoegger | nope, nothing |
| 19:32.06 | Bsims | I've no idea sorry |
| 19:32.15 | nidhoegger | thanks anyway... |
| 19:32.29 | Bsims | np |
| 19:32.50 | aswen | izrail, can't find defaults.sh in /etc/acpi, however, i found sleep_suspend.sh and sleep_suspendbtn.sh |
| 19:33.13 | aswen | but they don't tell what action is linked to my lid-close event/button |
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| 19:33.40 | aswen | I want to know how I can trace that. |
| 19:33.55 | izrail | aswen, sorry, i wanted to write 'i am not using debian on my laptop' ... maybe it's not the debian-way what i am doing :) |
| 19:33.56 | aswen | would xev tell me, ill try... |
| 19:34.26 | aswen | izrail, as long as your method works ;-) |
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| 19:38.54 | jhutchins_wk | .j rhel |
| 19:39.03 | jhutchins_wk | sorry. |
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| 19:41.34 | ssm2017 | is there someone to help me on "how to replace the ati driver to use a generic driver instead ?" because im not able to start gnome, i have a blank screen using an ati radeon 2600 xt |
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| 19:42.34 | ssm2017 | when using "X -configure" i have "number of created screens does not match number of detected devices" but i have only one screen (imac 20") |
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| 19:47.04 | jackln | I'm trying to setyp a PPTP VPN server, what IPs do I use?! |
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| 19:47.09 | jackln | for remoteip and localip |
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| 19:48.32 | jackln | Here is part of a manual I'm reading if it helps: http://pastebin.com/zEvqQucb |
| 19:48.34 | jackln | I just need to find out what IPs _I_ should use |
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| 19:50.06 | abrotman | echan, you'll live |
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| 19:58.54 | jackln | Do you know anything about VPNs? |
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| 19:59.56 | Towzzer | jackln, I think you need to pick an ip range as a tunnel |
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| 20:06.04 | Iridos | well, I also don't see how this belongs here |
| 20:06.37 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I am playing with two vodafone usb sticks I temporary have, and I have noticed that when the ppp connection is established, the remote peer has a different ip when i use different sticks, while the sim card inside is the same in both cases. Each card always has one peer address, the other has another one. And this happens on any computer I try them. |
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| 20:06.59 | Night_Elf | So does this mean that the stick somehow dictates what ip will be used from the remote side ? |
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| 20:07.22 | Towzzer | are MAC addresses assigned to device or sim cards? |
| 20:07.37 | Iridos | but anyway... jackln /sbin/ifconfig shows you your computers IP, which is the local one. the remoteip is the same, except for the last number, which you can change to 100-120 if it wasn't between 100 and 120 |
| 20:08.16 | Night_Elf | Towzzer: I am not sure. I have usb0 and usb0_modem in one case, and only ttyACM0 and ttyACM1 in the other case. |
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| 20:09.09 | Night_Elf | Towzzer: No. there seems to be no mac address there. |
| 20:09.26 | TheWarden | alright it appears that I have the automatic installer work for Debian Squeeze. However its not running my preseed/late_command and adding my package. see my preseed at the end of the file, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b |
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| 20:13.57 | TheWarden | start at line # 133 to 139 |
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| 20:15.44 | TheWarden | maybe I'm going about this the wrong why but I just want to locally install this package that I created via the USB flash drive. I created a native Debian package. I then did pkg-scanpackages repo/ /| gzip > repo/Packages.gz |
| 20:15.55 | Vasistha | I'm trying to do a data rescue operation, accidentally deleted some files from my android phone. So far I have copied my userdata partition onto my computer hard drive, but I'm unable to mount it. It's ext4, and the kern.log error says the journal is bad. Maybe I need to somehow paste a partition table on it? |
| 20:16.14 | TheWarden | this is based on what I've found online here, http://www.wallix.org/2011/11/02/automatic-installation-of-debian-squeeze-from-a-usb-flash-drive/. It is dated but I figured it should be close to what I require. |
| 20:16.47 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: when you say copy, it means with dd ? |
| 20:17.01 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: yes, dd | nc |
| 20:17.30 | TheWarden | When one installs Debian Squeeze is there a log that is created that I can look at? I didn't receive any error messages but indeed my package was not installed at OS installation as anticipated. |
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| 20:17.52 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: And what have you when you: file ddimage.fil ? |
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| 20:18.18 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: userdata.raw: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=57f8f4bc-abf4-655f-bf67-946fc0f9f25b (needs journal recovery) (extents) (large files) |
| 20:18.48 | Vasistha | TheWarden: well, there is a dpkg.log that may be useful |
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| 20:19.24 | SeanFC | acu: I got the ethernet working, and the solution for that helped with the solution for getting the wireless working as well, still in xfce. Thanks for your help |
| 20:19.29 | Vasistha | TheWarden: but if all you want to do is install a package then why not use dpkg -i ? |
| 20:19.31 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: You said it is a partition, right? Not the entire drive device. |
| 20:20.25 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: I'm pretty sure it is a partition: if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p15 |
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| 20:21.04 | TheWarden | Vasistha: thanks for the suggestion unfortunately there is no mention of the package in there. |
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| 20:21.24 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: In that case, have you tried to mount it via a loop device? |
| 20:21.33 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: for me, that has worked. |
| 20:21.37 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: yes, mount -o loop -t ext4 username.raw |
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| 20:21.52 | Vasistha | there's another parameter, the mount point... |
| 20:22.09 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: yes of course |
| 20:22.26 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: and it doesn't work that way? |
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| 20:22.55 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 [...etc...] |
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| 20:23.22 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: dmesg/kern.log show "JBD2: journal transaction 3222064 on loop0-8 is corrupt." and "EXT4-fs (loop0): error loading journal" |
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| 20:25.10 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: I am not sure whether this has any relation to trying the mount with an instruction to use an alternate superblock. It is the sort of numbers that I see when I mkfs some filesystem, it says that copies of the superblock are held in X and Y and Z etc block numbers. |
| 20:25.25 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: but I have not tried this before. |
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| 20:26.12 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: well... sounds like something fun to try if someone had a little more knowledge. Perhaps I should just try the dd operation again, this time on the whole device instead of the partition |
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| 20:26.18 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: or maybe some way to ignore the journal and just go on with the mount. |
| 20:26.51 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: with the device you will need a bit of tricks. |
| 20:26.54 | Vasistha | oh, I should try fsck |
| 20:27.09 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: or that, yes. |
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| 20:28.19 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: hey hey, that did it, a simple fsck was all that was needed |
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| 20:28.36 | Vasistha | now the hard part, try to recover a deleted file :P |
| 20:29.01 | Night_Elf | Vasistha: with the device, you will need to read the partition table with fdisk, take note of the start and end sectors and all of each partition, and then you will pass them when you attach the loop device, and limit it to see the partition you need, not the entire device file. |
| 20:29.25 | Night_Elf | lol Vasistha. I just pressed enter. anyhow. Good for you. :) |
| 20:29.27 | Vasistha | Night_Elf: ah indeed, that would be a pita |
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| 20:32.23 | witchdoc | hi all |
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| 20:33.28 | witchdoc | df -h shows me a wrong disc usage on amd64/wheezy with ext4 |
| 20:34.13 | jalalsfs | When I want to remove the dependencies with "apt-get autoremove" Is there any options like that in "aptitude"? |
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| 20:35.32 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I need "repo" command. What package it is in? |
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| 20:40.22 | Towzzer | witchdoc, how do you know |
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| 20:45.35 | DexterF | hi |
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| 20:46.43 | DexterF | where can I see a certian packages history? recently in testing a new kernel came in, package name was 3.2.0-4, overwrote the old 3.2.0-4 but the new is actually 3.2.39, old one was a different one. 3.2.31, I think, not sure. |
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| 20:48.20 | deb675 | hi |
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| 20:48.38 | nkuttler | DexterF: there are changelogs in /usr/share/doc/package and /var/log/dpkg.log probably |
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| 20:52.49 | DexterF | nkuttler: ah, thanks |
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| 20:53.40 | TuxCannon | Would anyone recommend to stay with Squeeze 'til it gets dropped from Oldstable? |
| 20:53.45 | Towzzer | no |
| 20:53.52 | Towzzer | debian is already super stable even testing |
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| 20:59.48 | Vasistha | TuxCannon: is there some reason you wouldn't want to upgrade sooner than that? |
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| 21:01.35 | TuxCannon | Vasistha: Well, Squeeze does the job for me, it runs fine with my hardware and everything |
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| 21:01.53 | TuxCannon | The only downside on Squeeze might be its outdated libs |
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| 21:07.09 | fleeky | anyone know of an email solution where if one email server goes down emails can be redirected to a second email server ? |
| 21:07.38 | acu | !paste |
| 21:07.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:07.40 | Night_Elf | fleeky: that is why MX with different numbers are for. |
| 21:07.52 | fleeky | mx with diff numbers? |
| 21:07.55 | fleeky | you mean diff ip's ? |
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| 21:09.04 | Night_Elf | fleeky: no. The ip is the A record of a domain. For emails what matters is the MX records. They have numbers. The higher the number, the higher the priority of selection. |
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| 21:09.47 | fleeky | ahk |
| 21:09.50 | Night_Elf | fleeky: technically, all of these A and MX are ip addresses. But they serve different purpose, convey different info. |
| 21:10.00 | fleeky | im not sure if hostmonster's stuff allows that blar |
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| 21:10.31 | Night_Elf | fleeky: you can test what you have with: dig -t mx domain.com |
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| 21:12.34 | fleeky | well ill look into seeing how to set the mx records , thanks for the tip |
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| 21:13.19 | HollyRain | the package "ssl-cert" comes with sel-signed certificates in '/etc/ssl'; in my Ubuntu 12.10, I had that certificate valid and when I did run openssl rsa -noout -text -check -in /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key it was ok |
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| 21:13.32 | HollyRain | how to fix it? |
| 21:13.34 | HollyRain | openssl verify /etc/ssl/certs/tls-cert-snakeoil.pem => error 18 at 0 depth lookup:self signed certificate |
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| 21:28.00 | Slugze | is there a way to preserve destination file owner while doing an rsync ? ( source o=toto:g=toto file_toto ) ( dest o=tata:g=tata ) and everytime i do an rsync the dest file get the toto/toto ownership, and as i tried about all the alphabet i'm a bit lost :) ) |
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| 21:29.01 | Towzzer | what's the uid of toto on both systems |
| 21:29.36 | Slugze | toto do not exist on dest system nor will |
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| 21:29.50 | bandroidx | anyone know what package i need if a c app is saying it needs -lpython3.2 ? |
| 21:29.56 | bandroidx | i already have python3-dev installed |
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| 21:30.14 | Towzzer | how can it get toto then? |
| 21:30.46 | somiaj | bandroidx: there is a python3.2-dev package (not sure if that package you mentioned is a meta or not) |
| 21:30.47 | Slugze | i want it to preserve the tata owner:) |
| 21:31.08 | nkuttler | hrm. nice... no audio any more.. did i upgrade the kernel? ... |
| 21:31.12 | Slugze | for the moment i'm doing rsync and ssh remote "chown" , but was wondering if there was a command within rsync so it keep the destination ownership without overwriting it with chown |
| 21:31.18 | somiaj | yea in wheezy it should have installed python3.2-dev |
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| 21:31.30 | somiaj | nkuttler: did you reboot, and your cards got detected in a different order |
| 21:31.51 | somiaj | nkuttler: cat /proc/asound/cards -- is for somereason another soundcard on your system now 0 or what ever you set your default sound card to be) |
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| 21:31.58 | bandroidx | somiaj: yeah it seems meta |
| 21:31.58 | nkuttler | somiaj: no, there used to be two, one virtual, now there's only one. odd |
| 21:32.54 | nkuttler | oh never mind, this is the sid box anyway.. |
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| 21:34.06 | TheWarden | Where can I read about preseed/late_command? |
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| 21:34.31 | TheWarden | My code is not working for some reason and I need to get it to install a local package say eve do something like dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 21:34.44 | TheWarden | See lines 133 to 139 https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b |
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| 21:37.55 | TheWarden | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:42.30 | boygrmn88 | http://amateurgirlfuckedhard.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-best-amateur-and-pornstar-collection.html |
| 21:43.37 | Vicissitude | spammer |
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| 21:46.10 | Slugze | TheWarden: no idea,sorry:) |
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| 21:51.27 | yac | the postgresql security update is only in wheezy and testing? |
| 21:51.33 | yac | s/testing/unstable/ |
| 21:52.07 | petn-randall | yac: nope, also squeeze (8.4) |
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| 21:52.56 | TheWarden | sighs out of frustration |
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| 21:53.58 | zerick | Hi guys, anybody here that had used apt-proxy? |
| 21:54.19 | nkuttler | zerick: probably |
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| 21:55.03 | zerick | nkuttler: Did you get it work perfectly ? |
| 21:55.10 | TheWarden | well how about this, does anyone know how to install packages at Debian installation time? There must be a way or some thing online to help. I've searched and searched on the subject but not finding anything other than what I have but it doesn't work. |
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| 21:56.02 | kendoggie | I found that the graphic installer sucked and used the text installer which worked |
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| 21:57.00 | TheWarden | I'm not using the graphically installer, its just the text installer with a preseed file to automate the install with no user input but to hit enter to start. |
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| 21:58.44 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Isn't istallation a process of installing packages? Are there special packages you want to install? What's special about them? |
| 21:59.01 | yac | petn-randall: I have 9.1, I need 9.1.9 |
| 21:59.22 | petn-randall | yac: 9.1.9 is out on debian. |
| 21:59.40 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: I have a native Debian package that I created myself. It installs find doing dpkg -i packagename.deb but I'm trying to figure out how to install it automatically using the preseed file. |
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| 22:00.11 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I've bypassed the "Hit Enter" when I was doing big batch builds. Big red label on disc: THIS DISK WILL DESTROY EXISTING DATA!!! |
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| 22:00.39 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: How does it get to the target? Is it on the CD? |
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| 22:01.08 | phox | Hi. Trying to get pam_umask actually working, which it doesn't appear to be doing :l |
| 22:01.16 | yac | petn-randall: What do you mean? I see it only for wheezy/unstable |
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| 22:01.18 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: yeah I have it labeled. I'm installing Debian Squeeze via USB flash drive. I have the package on there under repo/ |
| 22:01.39 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Use a dpkg command in the postinstall scripts. |
| 22:01.42 | jhutchins_wk | I gotta go. |
| 22:02.10 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: mmm okay, not sure how to refer to it though like path but I'll see... I guess trying test installs. |
| 22:02.15 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: take care, thanks. |
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| 22:03.36 | TheWarden | mm I', not aware of a postinstall scripts for preseed |
| 22:03.54 | TheWarden | there is a postinstall or a preinstall script for a given package. |
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| 22:08.37 | edomato | hi, how hard is to make a LiveCD with LibreOffice in Spanish? |
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| 22:17.42 | TheWarden | that answer is really relative to the experience and knowledge of each individual. |
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| 22:19.45 | edomato | ok, no problem, I'll read the live-build manual then :) |
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| 22:23.49 | petn-randall | yac: backports has it, but only for amd64, as it seems. |
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| 22:24.22 | petn-randall | yac: and the postgresql's repo has it, too. |
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| 22:28.32 | yac | petn-randall: hrm. I already took the risk and installed from wheezy |
| 22:28.45 | yac | and everything went better than expected |
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| 22:29.07 | petn-randall | yac: Great way to break your system! :P |
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| 22:29.18 | yac | yeah, I kinda had no choice atm |
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| 22:30.22 | petn-randall | yac: Sounds like someone twisted your arm ;) |
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| 22:30.38 | yac | petn-randall: yeah, my manager .. me :) |
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| 22:31.42 | petn-randall | yac: Seriously though, if it pulled in other libs, you might end up with a broken system if you try to install something new. |
| 22:31.43 | yac | petn-randall: I am already running that system as mixed, so it was not a biggie |
| 22:32.11 | yac | petn-randall: not just new, I bet it can even break things already installed. |
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| 22:33.19 | yac | petn-randall: normaly I deploy with cfengine to prepro and then pro, so almost nothing can go wrong on production. however this time i went directly to production bypassing all the infra (prepro, cfengine, testing) |
| 22:34.34 | TheWarden | well doing d-i preseed/late_command string dpkg -i /hd-media/repo/dsivip_2.0.0_all.deb did work. argh this testing takes forever, now to try something like d-i preseed/late_command string in-target dpkg -i /hd-media/repo/dsivip_2.0.0_all.deb. |
| 22:34.40 | yac | petn-randall: but i should be ok for next time, unless we get hit by another CVE |
| 22:35.32 | yac | petn-randall: so i risked a little downtime on important but not critical system for having update on time |
| 22:35.59 | petn-randall | yac: There *was* an update in time, you just oversaw it ... |
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| 22:48.31 | yac | petn-randall: well, I haven't looked at postgresql.org |
| 22:48.58 | yac | and I'm not confident it would do well updating bpo package with pgsql package |
| 22:49.15 | yac | and the 9.1.9 is not ready for bpo.x86 yet |
| 22:51.46 | petn-randall | yac: If it's not there, it probably just didn't finish compiling in the build farm yet. The team from the postgres repo overlaps with the debian/ubuntu one. |
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| 22:52.58 | yac | petn-randall: so I have the first x86 bpo to be updated :D |
| 22:53.07 | yac | s/to be/that was/ |
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| 23:00.30 | TheWarden | well take care all, gtg |
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| 23:06.10 | shakaponk | hey guyz, if you install two different debian versions on two harddisks with different settings (for example time) do they share the info? i have a debian installation and added a debian kali on an external disk. set the time on kali to eastern us but on my debian system it was central european. but now i have eastern on regular debian |
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| 23:08.18 | oO0Oo | Hi; i'm going to update my Linux (currently i'm on Ubuntu Lucid Lynx - too old I know but i'm very busy); I'm thinking to migrate to Debian instead of the last Ubuntu LTS version ; is it a good idea, do you think? |
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| 23:08.57 | Towzzer | debian is a great system |
| 23:08.59 | cra1g321 | you're asking Debian users if using Debian is a good idea ? |
| 23:09.43 | oO0Oo | yeah cra1g321 , I'll ask Ubuntu's too & I asked some other places too! |
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| 23:10.16 | rryoumaa | without specifying use case you might get a response that matches the channel you ask in |
| 23:10.38 | Towzzer | is it for a desktop or server? |
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| 23:11.29 | oO0Oo | it is desktop |
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| 23:12.16 | oO0Oo | & i'm a programmer; |
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| 23:12.46 | oO0Oo | i had lots of compatibility issues with ubuntu |
| 23:13.24 | oO0Oo | actually very time when I checked ubuntu's freezed libraries they where too old |
| 23:13.31 | oO0Oo | is debian like this? |
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| 23:15.16 | oO0Oo | Ubuntu's dist update never works correctly |
| 23:15.47 | tyrog | oO0Oo: well sometimes it does |
| 23:16.16 | zykotick9 | oO0Oo: if you like ubuntu has old packages, wait 'till you see debian's ;) you might consider test/unstable perhaps? |
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| 23:16.23 | zykotick9 | s/like/think/ |
| 23:16.32 | oO0Oo | & every time some annoying bug is there that fixing it requires changing the entire system (e.g. fixing the bug needs updating glib) |
| 23:16.57 | petn-randall | oO0Oo: Well, stable is always rather old, but rock stable. If you want something more current, you can go with sid, but you'll probably have to live with the occasional breakage. |
| 23:17.47 | oO0Oo | realy zykotick9 ? Debian is older? |
| 23:18.10 | zykotick9 | oO0Oo: stable is MUCH MUCH older. ubuntu is based off of testing/sid. |
| 23:18.14 | tyrog | petn-randall: Well which one would you say is more stable? Debian sid or arch stable? |
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| 23:19.24 | oO0Oo | so in this case it seems I'm stucked to Ubuntu (or i should check some non-debian based distro) |
| 23:19.27 | oO0Oo | ok |
| 23:19.30 | oO0Oo | thanks |
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| 23:20.38 | tyrog | oO0Oo: What is your problem with what you have now? |
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| 23:21.58 | oO0Oo | tyrog: I should update it; it is running for 3 years; so i'm using time to get rid of annoying problems here; (maybe by changing the distro) |
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| 23:23.20 | tyrog | oO0Oo: Well you can update. Do your backups first and then try to do it. Have a backup just in case something goes wrong. Have you updated between the releases or kept with an lts? |
| 23:23.22 | shingouz | If you really need the latest and greatest versions of any software, I think you should just use some distro that grabs stuff off the developers with minimal modifications. Slack? |
| 23:23.41 | petn-randall | Fedora? |
| 23:23.48 | tyrog | Arch? |
| 23:23.53 | oO0Oo | I dont like fedora |
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| 23:24.10 | shingouz | Linux From Scratch? |
| 23:24.13 | oO0Oo | I checked Arch once but not very much |
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| 23:24.27 | oO0Oo | never check Slack |
| 23:24.28 | shakaponk | when i have installed a second debian system to an external drive and grub2 was installed new, how can i reinstall grub from previous debian installation without messing up the system? |
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| 23:24.43 | tyrog | What was the problem with fedora ? |
| 23:24.55 | shakaponk | would grub-install --recheck do it? |
| 23:25.00 | oO0Oo | I was very messy! |
| 23:25.24 | oO0Oo | and I like Deb packages more that rpm |
| 23:25.25 | oO0Oo | than* |
| 23:25.44 | tyrog | So go with Ubuntu/Mint/Debian lol |
| 23:25.56 | oO0Oo | ;-) |
| 23:26.02 | oO0Oo | Thanks |
| 23:29.11 | shakaponk | when i have installed a second debian system to an external drive and grub2 was installed new, how can i reinstall grub from previous debian installation without messing up the system? |
| 23:29.13 | shakaponk | would grub-install --recheck do it? |
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| 23:36.08 | aguitel_ | how install qupzilla in squeeze ? |
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| 23:37.41 | doda | oO0Oo: just go with ubuntu/mint, or try some debian unstable distro |
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| 23:40.14 | oO0Oo | ok thanks doda |
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| 23:41.34 | doda | :D np, just test various distros when you have time, some will fit |
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