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| 00:00.42 | jiohdi | evening gents and lady [one never knows, could be] ... anyone know how to get the latest java installed? |
| 00:01.22 | Infiltrator | Does aptitude have a search term to limit to the (I don't even know what it's properly called) directory from which the package comes, such as main or contrib? |
| 00:02.17 | jiohdi | Infiltrator, apt-cache search -s=? |
| 00:02.30 | jiohdi | for source |
| 00:02.38 | jiohdi | or -p? for package |
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| 00:05.20 | Infiltrator | jiohdi: Hm, no, that doesn't seem to limit it. |
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| 00:05.54 | jiohdi | Infiltrator, the --help says it should but no it dont |
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| 00:07.17 | Infiltrator | Well, the man page says that those specify the cache files to use, though I'm not sure what that actually means. |
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| 00:08.41 | jiohdi | I found a way to limit by descriptor aptitude search "?provides(description)" |
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| 00:09.22 | alex1 | hey folks |
| 00:09.31 | alex1 | is there amazon aws channel sowhere/ |
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| 00:10.53 | Infiltrator | alex1: Out of curiousity, why are you asking about that here? |
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| 00:11.29 | markovh | alex1: ##aws |
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| 00:12.23 | Infiltrator | Also, first result when you do a Google search for "amazon aws IRC". |
| 00:12.43 | alex1 | Inflitrator I just launched win instance in vpc cloud, and I added RDP port in VPC security group, however it wont connect |
| 00:12.59 | alex1 | when instance is launched in aws direct it does work |
| 00:13.26 | Infiltrator | !ontopic |
| 00:13.27 | dpkg | Please stay on topic. #debian's mission is to help users of Debian solve problems and understand their Debian systems. If what you are discussing has no relationship to Debian, please move your discussion (and invite participants) to a channel where it is on topic, such as #politics, #general, #ubuntu, or #yourownchannel. Failure to moderate yourself will result in operators moderating for you. |
| 00:13.34 | Infiltrator | alex1: ^ |
| 00:13.46 | alex1 | u asked |
| 00:13.47 | alex1 | :) |
| 00:13.48 | alex1 | :P |
| 00:14.13 | Infiltrator | alex1: I asked why you were asking about that _here_. Regardless, I'm stopping the noise now. |
| 00:14.59 | alex1 | hehe ok ok |
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| 00:15.31 | Infiltrator | jiohdi: The only hack I've come up with so far for it is to remove the line and see what becomes obsolete. :P |
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| 00:16.13 | jiohdi | Infiltrator, remove what line? |
| 00:17.06 | markovh | #/last jiohdi |
| 00:17.09 | markovh | fuck |
| 00:17.19 | Infiltrator | jiohdi: Sorry; I meant the line (or at least word) in sources.list. |
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| 00:18.45 | Infiltrator | jiohdi: By the way, for your java thing, do you want just the VM or the browser plugin? |
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| 00:19.14 | AlexLikeRock | hi guys i need help to install DNS |
| 00:19.23 | AlexLikeRock | with external IP |
| 00:19.40 | markovh | AlexLikeRock: i think you mean a dns server right? |
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| 00:21.13 | markovh | AlexLikeRock: also, what relevence has the external ip got to do with it? if you're at home or behind a nat, you'll need to port forward which hasn't got anything to do with debian. for the rest, run apt-get install bind9 as root |
| 00:21.23 | jiohdi | Infiltrator, I think I found what I need in a ppa |
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| 00:22.06 | AlexLikeRock | yes markovh |
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| 00:22.57 | AlexLikeRock | i found this http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 but its soo little explained |
| 00:23.12 | AlexLikeRock | i not understand some numbers :-( |
| 00:23.37 | markovh | AlexLikeRock: what's your end goal |
| 00:23.53 | AlexLikeRock | web page |
| 00:24.00 | Infiltrator | !tell jiohdi -about ppa |
| 00:24.14 | AlexLikeRock | y buy a ip and name.com |
| 00:24.16 | Infiltrator | jiohdi: Just so you're sure about the ppa. |
| 00:24.28 | markovh | AlexLikeRock: you don't need a dns server in most cases |
| 00:24.35 | AlexLikeRock | ???? |
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| 00:24.42 | AlexLikeRock | why ? |
| 00:24.46 | markovh | why would you |
| 00:24.55 | jiohdi | Infiltrator, reasonably sure |
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| 00:25.24 | AlexLikeRock | i forward the name.com to my ip , and not found the server |
| 00:25.25 | markovh | whoever you buy example.com off will host the records for you. |
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| 00:25.33 | markovh | forward? |
| 00:26.09 | markovh | what's your domain that you bought |
| 00:26.12 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: In most cases, when you pay for a static public IP address and a domain name, whomever you're paying will organise for the domain name to point to the IP address, so that you don't need to do anything. Have they stated in this case that they will not do so? |
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| 00:27.59 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: By "not found the server" do you mean that you went to www.domainwhichyoupaidfor.com and it said that "[insert browser here] could not find www.domain.com"? |
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| 00:28.20 | AlexLikeRock | ok, |
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| 00:28.38 | AlexLikeRock | were i can start, to found the error , ? |
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| 00:28.53 | AlexLikeRock | godady not fount my server. |
| 00:29.04 | AlexLikeRock | i need open a port ? |
| 00:29.39 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: Would you perhaps be more comfortable speaking in your native tongue? In which case, there are other language channels available. |
| 00:30.08 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: Otherwise we need to start with what the problem is: what did you try to do that didn't work? |
| 00:30.41 | cookiemon5ter | deb 6 is wheezy right ? |
| 00:30.57 | Infiltrator | cookiemon5ter: I though it was squeeze? |
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| 00:31.19 | NullMoogleCable | hi |
| 00:31.31 | SteveH0 | I have a NAS running ARM Debian that seems to have gotten its apt info corrupted, but I don't know where to go to restore that info. |
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| 00:32.05 | cookiemon5ter | so wheezy is 7 ? |
| 00:32.19 | markovh | yes |
| 00:32.27 | Infiltrator | SteveH0: Could you pastebin the exact message? |
| 00:32.28 | cookiemon5ter | ok topic says 6 is squeeze |
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| 00:33.04 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, sorry about , trying 2 week on my "native tongue" but nobody help me. |
| 00:33.05 | markovh | cookiemon5ter: that's because it is |
| 00:33.23 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, i don do noting |
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| 00:33.48 | markovh | AlexLikeRock: try posting on a forum |
| 00:33.50 | NullMoogleCable | so im getting really really mad at my system. all i want to do is be able to connect to it with the default installed remote desktop vnc(what ever it is) with no monitor attached to the box. I cant set the resolution to anything greater then 800 x 600, this is not acceptable. How can i enable resolutions that are bigger with a unknown monitor detected with gnome? |
| 00:33.53 | AlexLikeRock | it simple clean installation of squeeze and not work webpage |
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| 00:34.14 | AlexLikeRock | markovh, good ting :) |
| 00:34.26 | pfred1 | NullMoogleCable write your own modelines in xorg.conf |
| 00:34.30 | SteveH0 | infiltrator: Not sure hoe to pastebin, and there are almost a screen ful of errors, but I'm willing. |
| 00:34.33 | markovh | AlexLikeRock: you most likely need a webserver, apt-get install apache2 |
| 00:34.43 | AlexLikeRock | i goit ;-) |
| 00:34.50 | AlexLikeRock | apache , bind9 ;-) |
| 00:36.07 | NullMoogleCable | SteveH0 problem is there is no default xorg.conf? |
| 00:36.43 | pfred1 | NullMoogleCable X -configure I think is the command to generate one |
| 00:37.33 | Infiltrator | SteveH0: paste.debian.net if you have a web browser on the box, it won't be too difficult. |
| 00:37.39 | NullMoogleCable | Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 |
| 00:38.02 | pfred1 | NullMoogleCable you might try dropping out of your current X session |
| 00:38.37 | AlexLikeRock | some one now , about one tutorial or manual to configure DNS for a dummys like me :-D |
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| 00:39.59 | AlexLikeRock | ok, i got other cuestion , why don answer PING my PC |
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| 00:40.15 | SteveH0 | Infiltrator: I put it at <http://paste.debian.net/247407> |
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| 00:41.05 | SteveH0 | Alex: What flavor of PC do you have? |
| 00:41.26 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: First of all, you should try accessing your webpage locally to test that your web server is up. |
| 00:41.50 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: As for pinging, if it's on the Internet, then most providers would (and should) lock down ICMP. |
| 00:41.55 | markovh | SteveH0: that sounds like your os is really old |
| 00:42.06 | Infiltrator | SteveH0: Could you paste your sources.list? |
| 00:42.12 | AlexLikeRock | yes, they open my local page , |
| 00:42.15 | markovh | back when you used to use "stable" and "unstable" instead of your distro like "squeeze" |
| 00:42.18 | AlexLikeRock | its up :) |
| 00:42.23 | markovh | in yoru /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:42.52 | markovh | SteveH0: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 00:42.56 | SteveH0 | Markov: It is, but it is a NAS from a defunct company. I think that I broke things while trying to update the system. |
| 00:43.23 | markovh | SteveH0: cat /etc/issue |
| 00:43.28 | SteveH0 | Infiltrato: Where are the sources? |
| 00:43.36 | markovh | or wait, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:43.52 | markovh | SteveH0: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:43.57 | SteveH0 | Thanks Markov. BRB |
| 00:45.49 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, what can i do ?? talk wit my provider ? |
| 00:45.53 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: What does 'nc -zvv www.[your domain].com 80' give? |
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| 00:46.42 | SteveH0 | OK, sources are at <http://paste.debian.net/247409> |
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| 00:48.16 | SteveH0 | Markov /etc/issue is Debian GNU ?|s 3.0 \n \1 |
| 00:48.19 | markovh | ROFL |
| 00:48.25 | Infiltrator | Wow. |
| 00:48.30 | markovh | yeah... ok no point updating that's old as fuck |
| 00:48.43 | markovh | SteveH0: what's your end goal? |
| 00:49.04 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, http://paste.debian.net/247411/ |
| 00:50.22 | peterrooney | That's so close to when I was a child. |
| 00:50.30 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: And you're sure that your web server is listening on port 80 of whichever machine port 80 on 200.52.221.12 is forwarded to? |
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| 00:51.16 | dimitry7 | hi guys, coudl you check my 5 line script? http://pastebin.com/ZU25gqy2 |
| 00:51.24 | NullMoogleCable | ok how do i drop out of x if i have no monitor attached to the system and all i can do is connect with the default remote desktop via vnc? |
| 00:51.35 | dimitry7 | my problem is that echo returns numbers in the first line, how do I do to drop them? |
| 00:51.39 | AlexLikeRock | i dont now :'( |
| 00:51.56 | AlexLikeRock | how can i see ? (sorry :'( ) |
| 00:51.58 | Infiltrator | NullMoogleCable: Connect via ssh instead. |
| 00:52.11 | SteveH0 | Markov: eventually, get another NAS and migrate. At the moment, it is still working, but RAID 5 NASs are a bit 'spensive. |
| 00:52.14 | markovh | dimitry7: what are you putting into it? |
| 00:52.15 | NullMoogleCable | then i cant run x --configure |
| 00:52.35 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, i dont now :-/ how can i see ? (sorry :'( ) |
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| 00:52.49 | dimitry7 | markovh, into what? |
| 00:52.55 | SteveH0 | Markov: as for old as fuck, I'm prolly twice your age, if not 3 time. Eldergeek here. |
| 00:52.59 | dimitry7 | markovh, see the link |
| 00:53.03 | markovh | dimitry7: into your script. you're doing read line |
| 00:53.19 | dimitry7 | markovh, yes it is just to do an echo over each line |
| 00:53.20 | Infiltrator | NullMoogleCable: And why can't you connect the monitor to the box directly? |
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| 00:53.37 | markovh | dimitry7: dide if i hadn't seen your link, i wouldn't have been able to ask the question. don't be smart |
| 00:53.41 | dimitry7 | markovh, I am going to pass parameters but this is the first thing i've got to do |
| 00:54.02 | dimitry7 | markovh, so it is clear |
| 00:54.14 | dimitry7 | I've put the output |
| 00:54.26 | dimitry7 | i don't want numbers in the first line |
| 00:54.33 | dimitry7 | culumn sorry |
| 00:54.42 | markovh | but not the input. you seem to be somewhat surprised there's numbers |
| 00:54.54 | dimitry7 | yes |
| 00:55.03 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: I would talk to whomever is hosting your server and tell them to check why HTTP isn't going through. |
| 00:55.07 | dimitry7 | why are there numbers? |
| 00:55.11 | markovh | ... |
| 00:55.20 | SteveH0 | So, markov/Infiltrator, is there any way to reset the sources to their original state? |
| 00:55.21 | dimitry7 | if I pass the parameters the first is gonna be the number, not the package name |
| 00:55.41 | dimitry7 | markovh, do you agree? |
| 00:55.51 | Infiltrator | SteveH0: That is the original state, I think. As markovh said, what are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 00:56.10 | dimitry7 | markovh, i just run my script like this #./script |
| 00:56.18 | dimitry7 | there are no input parameters! |
| 00:56.46 | markovh | SteveH0: oh no they're fine as they are |
| 00:56.52 | SteveH0 | Infiltrator: as I told him, eventually, get another NAS and migrate. At the moment, it is still working, but RAID 5 NASs are a bit 'spensive. |
| 00:56.58 | markovh | the problem is your debian version is so old, the server no longer holds the results in those directories |
| 00:57.10 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:57.18 | NullMoogleCable | Infiltrator I really really really dont want to detach my lcd from my wall in my room and move it down into the basement to fix the box |
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| 00:57.28 | dimitry7 | markovh, no? |
| 00:57.48 | markovh | dimitry7: dude i asked the original question with the intent of helping you but you were fucking cheeky and you were wrong so i'm not helping you |
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| 00:58.41 | dimitry7 | markovh, what do you think I might be putting into it? |
| 00:58.43 | markovh | SteveH0: you didn't answer Infiltrator though, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:59.33 | Infiltrator | NullMoogleCable: Can't you take the box up to your room? |
| 00:59.47 | dimitry7 | markovh, Oh I misunderstand sorry. The .txt has only the two last columns |
| 00:59.50 | NullMoogleCable | it is rack mount and weighs 300lbs... |
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| 01:00.25 | abrotman | 8U? |
| 01:00.55 | Infiltrator | NullMoogleCable: 135kg!? Is it a "mini"computer from the 70s? |
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| 01:01.24 | dimitry7 | markovh, why are you so sensitive ? :-( |
| 01:01.29 | dimitry7 | :'( |
| 01:01.33 | Infiltrator | NullMoogleCable: I don't think that ssh -X would work, would it? |
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| 01:01.51 | Infiltrator | NullMoogleCable: You could always plug a keyboard directly into it and blind-type. |
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| 01:02.05 | NullMoogleCable | hardly a computer from the 70s :D http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/maintestbox.png |
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| 01:03.26 | markovh | NullMoogleCable: so you've got a server with... what? running and you are connecting how? standard vnc client or something right? |
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| 01:03.36 | markovh | are you using x11vnc? |
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| 01:03.50 | SteveH0 | Oh well, I thought that the problem was the ARM processor version of the OS. The NAS is creaky like me, with occasional ether hangs, and it is only 750Mb, but I don't want to spend 2-laptops worth of money to upgrade ... yet. |
| 01:04.23 | NullMoogleCable | default remote desktop that is installed with the gnome dist of debian |
| 01:04.37 | SteveH0 | Thanks for your guidance fellas. |
| 01:04.46 | markovh | NullMoogleCable: as the client right? what about for the server |
| 01:05.12 | markovh | SteveH0: if it hangs then perhaps it's a hardware problem |
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| 01:05.31 | NullMoogleCable | thats the server |
| 01:05.43 | markovh | SteveH0: i suggest reinstalling |
| 01:06.06 | markovh | if it's debian 3, you can likely cp the whole thing off or at least the os disk onto a usb key or some tb hard drive |
| 01:06.11 | NullMoogleCable | client is a win7 laptop with vnc |
| 01:06.33 | markovh | NullMoogleCable: run x11vnc manually |
| 01:06.37 | Infiltrator | dimitry7: If you don't want numberede lines output, why are you doing cat -b? |
| 01:06.38 | markovh | http://superuser.com/questions/270608/can-i-access-my-desktop-over-vnc-at-a-different-screen-size |
| 01:06.43 | markovh | use this to set the resolution |
| 01:06.52 | SteveH0 | Markovh: (sorry I missed the h earlier) reinstall to what end? Wouldn't the OS still be out of date? |
| 01:07.03 | markovh | no just install the latest version |
| 01:07.46 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator im ther "whomever" this hosting :-) , ¿how to check HTTP? |
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| 01:08.19 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: Check your firewall to make sure that port 80 is properly forwarded to the server. |
| 01:08.23 | zacts | is there a channel where I may ask questions about wheezy? |
| 01:08.34 | SteveH0 | Was the "no just install the latest version" directed at me? |
| 01:08.38 | NullMoogleCable | I dont have x11vnc i think |
| 01:08.44 | NullMoogleCable | its vino i think |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | zacts: this is one |
| 01:09.03 | markovh | SteveH0: perhaps, i'ad have to scroll back. i think i said it in a round about way at some stage |
| 01:09.04 | abrotman | zacts: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is another |
| 01:09.08 | zacts | how may I configure automatic updates using unattended-upgrade for wheezy? |
| 01:09.20 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, ok, i will check the router :-) |
| 01:09.22 | markovh | SteveH0: it wasn't clear until now why you were doing apt-get update however |
| 01:09.26 | zacts | which allowed origins should I add? |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | zacts: the docs for that package say nothing? |
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| 01:10.11 | markovh | SteveH0: if it's a lesson for the future, it's to always state what your end goal is and what you are currently attempting. for instance, look at AlexLikeRock , he first asked us how to "install dns" where as that was far from what he needed and as soon as we tried probing what his end goal was we could guide him better |
| 01:10.45 | zacts | abrotman: I know how to do it, I just don't know which allowed origins to add. |
| 01:11.11 | SteveH0 | Markovh: I had tried to update NFS, 'cause I couldn't get a proper mount, but I broke (or the version was stale) and then I was just trying to clean up the error messages. |
| 01:11.14 | abrotman | zacts: what are your options? |
| 01:12.13 | markovh | SteveH0: did you say that before hand? if you did i could have just missed it. irc isn't exactly friendly to multiple conversations going on at once and you DO find lots of people that haven't read the whole thing but may help giving your current issue you're trying to overcome |
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| 01:12.53 | markovh | what do you mean by "couldn't get a proper mount" btw? you cannot mount an nfs partition? all of a sudden? were you able to previously? |
| 01:13.10 | SteveH0 | Markovh: I understand. I did many (stressful) years as a Customer Support phone specialist. ... |
| 01:13.23 | NullMoogleCable | all i want is a screen res > 800x600 with the default debian remote desktop on a system with no display attached, this shouldnt be so complicated |
| 01:13.31 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, that it rigth ? http://picpaste.com/pics/Pantallazo-11-J5ktJ98o.1365124388.png |
| 01:14.10 | zacts | abrotman: I don't understand your question |
| 01:14.14 | markovh | SteveH0: if you can, i would just install the latest debian version fresh any which way you look at it |
| 01:14.25 | SteveH0 | .. No, I was never able to get a proper mount. My research led me to believe that it was a problem with the Yellow Machine (NAS) NFS, and I was trying to update it. |
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| 01:14.55 | markovh | SteveH0: boot a live cd and see if you have the same issues |
| 01:15.34 | AlexLikeRock | markovh, well my proble are deflected :-S because not are PING :-( |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | zacts: you're asking which origins you sohuld allow, what are the available options for origin? |
| 01:16.20 | markovh | SteveH0: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 01:17.39 | cookiemon5ter | I'm new to debian distros are the -dev files what i need for headers |
| 01:18.01 | markovh | cookiemon5ter: .h files? yes |
| 01:18.06 | cookiemon5ter | yes |
| 01:18.08 | cookiemon5ter | thanks |
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| 01:18.22 | SteveH0 | Markovh: the NAS has no local CD. The original installation CD was done over a etherlink. I know that the NAS is old and will need to be replaced, so I think that I'll wait until I replace it. No sense pouring more effort into it. |
| 01:18.57 | markovh | SteveH0: pxe boot if you're bothered |
| 01:18.59 | AlexLikeRock | ok, i solvent my ping , just open the 80 port , |
| 01:19.00 | markovh | or usb |
| 01:19.12 | AlexLikeRock | but why not open my web page ? |
| 01:19.41 | AlexLikeRock | on the "localhost" its runing |
| 01:19.56 | SteveH0 | I don't think that USBs were in the developers' minds. No plug. |
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| 01:20.42 | AlexLikeRock | but out side its death :-( |
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| 01:20.49 | zacts | abrotman: // "o=Debian,a=proposed-updates"; |
| 01:20.57 | zacts | and stable-updates and so on |
| 01:21.20 | SteveH0 | Finally, I kind of remember that Chatzilla had username completion capability, but don't remember how to do it. Any hints? |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | zacts: for wheezy, stable-updates shouldn't do much at this point |
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| 01:21.44 | abrotman | well, nothing really |
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| 01:22.14 | abrotman | zacts: at this point, i'd only take things from the main repository |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | (nevermind that i wouldn't take unattended upgrades for anything from wheezy) |
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| 01:22.54 | zacts | abrotman: so you recommend until wheezy becomes stable to do manual updates? |
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| 01:24.12 | markovh | zacts: depends if you would act differently depdending on what you see |
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| 01:24.36 | markovh | if you don't know better and woudl install everything anyway, then in reality does it make a difference whether you just blidnly press yes or if an autoupdateder does it |
| 01:25.13 | markovh | i don't mean that negatively |
| 01:25.14 | zacts | hm.. I see your point. |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | zacts: production? home box? there are differences |
| 01:25.20 | zacts | homebox |
| 01:25.35 | zacts | also for my mom, she won't want to do manual updates |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | zacts: do them blindly .. if it breaks, you've nbeen warned :) |
| 01:25.48 | markovh | zacts: oh god no keep it on stable if it's for someone else |
| 01:25.58 | zacts | so my computer and also my mom's computer |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | zacts: wheezy is so close yto stable, it really won't matter |
| 01:26.17 | zacts | markovh: stable doesn't even run on her laptop. |
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| 01:26.28 | markovh | zacts: what do you mean doesn't run? |
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| 01:26.56 | abrotman | zacts: is it a system you can tend to not too long after wheezy becomes stable? |
| 01:27.02 | zacts | no wifi |
| 01:27.12 | zacts | I guess I could do backports. |
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| 01:27.39 | zacts | debian stable is just too out of date for us. |
| 01:27.52 | markovh | what do you use? |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | zacts: okay, so use wheezy |
| 01:28.16 | zacts | markovh: for my computer I'm using debian wheezy, and want to use debian wheezy on her computer also. |
| 01:28.30 | zacts | I would like to do automatic unattended-updates for her computer. |
| 01:28.31 | markovh | what do you use that's too out of date |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | zacts: so just do it |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | zacts: if your update optoins are main/contrib/non-free/wheezy-updates .. shou;d be okay |
| 01:29.23 | zacts | abrotman: so do I put "o=Debian,a=testing-updates"? |
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| 01:29.35 | zacts | or keep it as stable, and it will work with what I have in apt.conf? |
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| 01:29.40 | abrotman | zacts: definitely not testing-updates |
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| 01:29.51 | abrotman | zacts: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 01:30.55 | zacts | http://pastebin.com/U4JTqk2J |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | zacts: loooks generally okay .. |
| 01:32.28 | zacts | http://pastebin.com/MuzCC8tU |
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| 01:32.55 | zacts | how can I make unattended updates use what is in sources.list. |
| 01:33.01 | zacts | I don't want it to downgrade to squeeze |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | would think "wheezy" would work there |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | this is why you shld read the docs |
| 01:33.47 | zacts | I've read the /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades README |
| 01:33.59 | zacts | and the manpage |
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| 01:34.57 | zacts | there is this that I found: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg00804.html |
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| 01:37.18 | cookiemon5ter | is there a wiki or something that explains how to create a deb installation package |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | !tell cookiemon5ter about nmg |
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| 01:38.42 | cookiemon5ter | thanks |
| 01:39.07 | zacts | abrotman: like how often do you upgrade your computers? |
| 01:39.13 | zacts | and how do you do it? |
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| 01:42.25 | zacts | *update |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | zacts: mostly daily |
| 01:43.28 | zacts | ok. maybe I'll just do the same until wheezy becomes stable, and put ubuntu on mom's computer |
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| 01:43.47 | zacts | well, ty for the advice. :-) |
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| 01:47.19 | rasusto | are there any graphics cards that support hardware video decoding and are supported by libre drivers? |
| 01:47.37 | Towzzer | hardware video decoding on linux |
| 01:47.39 | Towzzer | oh you |
| 01:47.40 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.51 | rasusto | never give up hope... |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | intel cards |
| 01:48.17 | rasusto | intel makes cards? |
| 01:48.32 | g0dfrey | rasusto: HD4000 |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | rasusto: discrete? no |
| 01:49.38 | Towzzer | video playback is one of the big linux problems |
| 01:49.50 | Towzzer | the scaling methods used by default are so bad |
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| 01:50.54 | rasusto | playback works fine if I enable multi-thread decoding, it just isn't ideal. My load average jumps to 1.5ish |
| 01:51.21 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: When I go to http://200.52.221.12/ I get a page, so did you get it working? |
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| 01:52.02 | abrotman | rasusto: but your CPU load isn't dependent on your video card? |
| 01:52.11 | Infiltrator | AlexLikeRock: Also, _please_ get rid of the automatic noise thing. That's really bad web design. |
| 01:53.17 | rasusto | the video card I have right now doesn't do hardware decoding, so everything is done by the cpu |
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| 01:59.22 | rryoumaa | "A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on." -- why? |
| 02:00.45 | Towzzer | where did you hear that |
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| 02:01.41 | abrotman | on the internet, and they can't say it on the internet if it isn't true .. |
| 02:01.42 | rryoumaa | Towzzer: from dpkg |
| 02:01.59 | rryoumaa | dpkg: firewall |
| 02:02.00 | dpkg | A firewall is a boundary - usually a computer or network appliance - between your private network and the Internet. A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. Ask me about <iptables>. See also <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <firehol>. |
| 02:02.04 | abrotman | rryoumaa: if there's a vulnterability in your firewall, waht's left ? |
| 02:02.27 | rryoumaa | but that doesn't mean it can't protect the computer. otherwise why run it? |
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| 02:02.36 | abrotman | remember that firewalls on linux generally are interpreted as UID 0 |
| 02:03.00 | markovh | i think that dpkg is bullshit and completely wrong |
| 02:03.09 | rasusto | I agree |
| 02:03.21 | rryoumaa | what do knowledgeable users usually do for firewalls? make their own iptables scripts? |
| 02:03.27 | markovh | if you want to say that, you best back it up with an article worths of background. on a very edge case you might argue the point but definitely not in general terms |
| 02:03.37 | markovh | rryoumaa: yes. it isn't that hard though |
| 02:03.59 | rryoumaa | i have done it before, but iptables has changed by now, and i wonder how you know if you do a good job |
| 02:04.10 | markovh | you'll find lots of examples online that are basically including lots of complicated (often unnecessary) rules either because they don't know better or are trying to show off |
| 02:04.16 | rryoumaa | other than penetration testing or something |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | thinks markovh is wrong and full of bullshit |
| 02:04.40 | markovh | abrotman: on which point? |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | i already stated .. |
| 02:05.17 | rryoumaa | finds this conversation confusing |
| 02:05.22 | markovh | a vulnerability in the firewall? |
| 02:05.27 | markovh | lol |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | rryoumaa: if you really want to know, ask #netfilter .. |
| 02:05.36 | abrotman | lololololol |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | rryoumaa: they're a much better source of information than me, a bot, or a random |
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| 02:06.38 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 02:06.52 | rryoumaa | so i guess debian does not have a default iptables setup then? |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | rryoumaa: none |
| 02:07.05 | rryoumaa | how safe is that? |
| 02:07.09 | markovh | rryoumaa: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:07.24 | abrotman | rryoumaa: as safe as the applictions you have listening for external requests |
| 02:07.24 | markovh | in english, what are you trying to prevent/allow |
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| 02:07.57 | rryoumaa | keep bad guys out, just normal stuff |
| 02:08.09 | markovh | rryoumaa: you know what a firewall is though right? what it does specifically? |
| 02:08.15 | rryoumaa | yes |
| 02:08.28 | markovh | what do you think it does |
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| 02:08.33 | rryoumaa | i wrote iptables scripts before, but iptables has likely changed by now |
| 02:08.39 | markovh | nope |
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| 02:08.49 | abrotman | rryoumaa: ask #netfilter |
| 02:08.49 | rryoumaa | markovh: i am limited in typing and can't play 20 questions |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | so don't play his game |
| 02:09.41 | markovh | keeping bad guys out doesn't sound like you know what a firewall is or does... i would have expected something like "block all incoming connections" or "block all incoming connectiosn except 22, allow all outgoing connections on port 80 but block everything else" |
| 02:09.42 | rryoumaa | is too polite sometimes |
| 02:10.27 | reavengrey | rryoumaa: firewalls don't keep bad code out -- they filter connections |
| 02:10.37 | rryoumaa | reavengrey: yes, i know |
| 02:10.43 | reavengrey | kk |
| 02:10.48 | markovh | you could summarise it down to, allow established connections, allow traffic on lo interface, allow any other ports you want (like 80 for webservers) or just nothing at all if you don't have services, then block |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | if you have no services, what's left to block? |
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| 02:11.23 | abrotman | yay windows terminology |
| 02:11.24 | rryoumaa | reavengrey: the question is open-ended, as in, what would a person typically do, the debian way |
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| 02:11.47 | markovh | abrotman: huh? |
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| 02:12.28 | rryoumaa | debian does automate stuff when it can; there are packages that automate firewalls, but i found them not to be useful in the past. however, perhpas something new came along, fore xample, or perhaps everybody uses such and such a script from teh web. or such and such package that has a script. |
| 02:12.53 | rryoumaa | markovh's assumptions were unwarranted |
| 02:13.02 | markovh | which ones? |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | the angry ones |
| 02:13.34 | markovh | assuming you don't know what a firewall does? |
| 02:13.36 | rryoumaa | the dickish ones |
| 02:13.50 | markovh | i did follow up with the rules you should generally use |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | markovh: in doing so, ignoring the original question |
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| 02:15.32 | markovh | i think understand how hte firewall works is important. if he doesn't know then we can teach him. the original question was actually a question on dpkgs statement about the firewall |
| 02:15.46 | markovh | then there were the default rules which i also answered |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | but you didn't |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | what was the original question? |
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| 02:17.38 | markovh | which one? |
| 02:17.41 | markovh | 02:59 < rryoumaa> "A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on." -- why? for instance |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | exactly |
| 02:17.53 | markovh | he goes on to ask further questions... |
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| 02:18.10 | markovh | 03:03 < rryoumaa> what do knowledgeable users usually do for firewalls? make their own iptables scripts? |
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| 02:20.36 | epitamizor | where is the tftpd config file i installed that and tftp-hpa but i dont see init scripts or config file |
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| 02:22.38 | markovh | epitamizor: try /etc/default |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | epitamizor: which tftpd server? |
| 02:23.37 | epitamizor | the hpa version |
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| 02:26.19 | epitamizor | nm it looks like there isnt one |
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| 02:34.33 | awc737 | can I clone a hard drive from a gnome install USB? |
| 02:34.38 | awc737 | from the command line? |
| 02:34.48 | markovh | dd is your best bet |
| 02:34.50 | awc737 | if instead of choosing install, I just go to command line |
| 02:34.52 | awc737 | oh ok |
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| 02:35.14 | markovh | virtually any version of debian you boot into will have it |
| 02:35.17 | awc737 | is it on the wheezy rc1 install |
| 02:35.28 | markovh | i'm sure it most likely is |
| 02:35.40 | awc737 | can I do it by booting onto one of the hard drives I'm cloning to/from? |
| 02:35.46 | awc737 | the situation: 2 hard drives, one usb |
| 02:35.57 | markovh | possibly |
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| 02:36.05 | markovh | remount it as read only first to prevent filesystem corruption |
| 02:36.05 | awc737 | usb has debian wheezy installation |
| 02:36.24 | draginx | im getting the following error through stderr: e2fsck: need terminal for interactive repairs |
| 02:36.27 | markovh | it would definitely not be the most ideal mind you |
| 02:36.41 | markovh | why not just boot into your usb? |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | draginx: so use a terminal? |
| 02:36.44 | draginx | Ideally, I'd like to create a script to cryptmount and pass the password through |
| 02:36.47 | draginx | abrotman: ^ :) |
| 02:37.05 | awc737 | that's what I'm asking |
| 02:37.13 | awc737 | debian install isn't a "live" usb |
| 02:37.22 | awc737 | can I do it from the installation USB command line |
| 02:37.34 | markovh | yep |
| 02:38.07 | markovh | in the installation menu, there should be a rescue or recovery option near the bottom |
| 02:38.16 | awc737 | Rescue Mode |
| 02:38.20 | markovh | you don't even need it though, ctrl alt f2 and it'll drop you into an alt terminal mode |
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| 02:38.38 | awc737 | ok I'm in terminal |
| 02:38.39 | markovh | pop into resue mode all the same. it'll give you a shell to work from |
| 02:38.50 | awc737 | seems to have dd |
| 02:39.03 | awc737 | Rescue mode started asking my language |
| 02:39.06 | markovh | you need to know which disk you're copying |
| 02:39.13 | markovh | so fdisk -l to list disks |
| 02:39.19 | markovh | grab out the disk such as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
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| 02:39.27 | awc737 | fdisk not found |
| 02:39.30 | markovh | where are you saving it to? |
| 02:39.44 | markovh | awc737: in rescue mode? |
| 02:39.51 | awc737 | no ctrl alt f2 |
| 02:40.09 | markovh | na go into rescue mode follow it through |
| 02:40.18 | awc737 | k |
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| 02:42.18 | trysten | hello debian |
| 02:42.34 | trysten | sometime i had this working before by installing ia32-libs |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | what working? |
| 02:42.43 | awc737 | it's asking all the install questions... |
| 02:43.03 | trysten | now when i try to install ia32-libs it depends on an unavailable package |
| 02:43.14 | abrotman | trysten: which vesrion of Debian? |
| 02:43.19 | trysten | abrotman: DwarfFortress. i'm on wheezy |
| 02:43.29 | morion | abrotman: apt-get -f install doesn't work? |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | wheezy is multiarch, not ia32-libs |
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| 02:43.38 | awc737 | Device to use as root file system? sda1, sdb1, and sdbc1... or Do not use a root file system |
| 02:43.40 | awc737 | I assume do not use |
| 02:43.46 | markovh | do not use |
| 02:43.52 | trysten | what does that mean, abrotman |
| 02:44.07 | awc737 | sweet, I can fdisk |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | !tell trysten about multiarch |
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| 02:45.11 | awc737 | so I need to clone sdb onto sda. I do not care what is on sda. Quick format will work |
| 02:45.40 | dvs | would clone with a zilla |
| 02:45.50 | awc737 | ... a clone... zilla? |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | monkeyzilla? |
| 02:45.55 | awc737 | CLONEZILLA! |
| 02:46.14 | awc737 | runs to the patent office, CLONEZILLA |
| 02:47.24 | awc737 | meh, I'm already here in the terminal... I know which is sda and sdb... probably not much left |
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| 02:50.06 | awc737 | so whats it gonna be :) |
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| 02:52.44 | awc737 | whats the quickest way to format/partition the disk it's going onto? |
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| 02:53.43 | trysten | awc737: just copy it. the partition table will be copied as well |
| 02:53.53 | awc737 | really hmm |
| 02:54.20 | awc737 | so dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=32M |
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| 02:55.39 | trysten | looks good to me. i've done lots of copies just like that. |
| 02:55.48 | awc737 | whats the bs=32M bit? |
| 02:55.58 | markovh | blocksize at a time |
| 02:56.00 | awc737 | from serverfault: add a "bs=100M conv=notrunc" and it's much faster in my experience |
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| 02:57.22 | awc737 | bs=100M conv=notrunc is this safe? for a large OS disk? |
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| 03:01.09 | trysten | awc737: i don't think notrunc is necessary. bs=whatever is fine if you have plenty of ram |
| 03:03.12 | awc737 | 8gb |
| 03:03.25 | awc737 | lol whats the highest I can safely go with bs |
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| 03:05.22 | trysten | awc737: i'm don't know |
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| 03:05.35 | awc737 | well see what happens with 1000M |
| 03:05.40 | trysten | awc737: dd will probably do it though so you might run out of ram |
| 03:06.41 | awc737 | damnit |
| 03:06.42 | awc737 | was there a -v mode |
| 03:06.53 | awc737 | This could take hours, I can't handle a blank prompt |
| 03:06.58 | trysten | awc737: fear not |
| 03:07.18 | trysten | awc737: just send it a USR1 signal |
| 03:07.35 | trysten | pkill -USR1 dd should work |
| 03:08.46 | awc737 | to kill it? |
| 03:08.48 | awc737 | and start again?> |
| 03:09.34 | awc737 | I would like to cancel and starta again with verbose |
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| 03:10.13 | trysten | awc737: no to make it report it's progress. verbose won't make it do that. |
| 03:10.37 | awc737 | serious typing pkill -USR1 will print a status? |
| 03:10.43 | awc737 | hmmm wtf |
| 03:10.48 | trysten | dd does not have a verbose mode |
| 03:10.51 | awc737 | it just finished 572+1 records in/out |
| 03:10.57 | awc737 | and I can't imagine it cloned 60GB that fast |
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| 03:12.36 | awc737 | holy shoot, it's botting |
| 03:12.37 | awc737 | booting |
| 03:12.40 | awc737 | bot booting |
| 03:12.53 | awc737 | like a BOSS |
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| 03:18.00 | awc737 | BOSS |
| 03:19.25 | h7n9 | the boss stage? |
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| 03:21.40 | awc737 | yes! |
| 03:23.03 | beepie | does anyone know about this library http://libyui.sourceforge.net/ ? |
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| 03:33.20 | emss | beepie yast is similar to mandrake's mandrake control center `mcc' that's about all i know XD |
| 03:33.40 | emss | yast being for suse |
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| 03:34.46 | h7n9 | oh, mandrake |
| 03:34.53 | beepie | emss, according to that library's info, it is a distro-agnostic library to help using the same interface configuration across qt, gtk and ncurses.. |
| 03:35.43 | beepie | i know what yast is.. I know "dast" was a failure too.. so it would be nice if someone in the inner circle can tell me why libyu is a bad or good idea :) |
| 03:35.49 | beepie | (i'm too lazy for mailinglists atm) |
| 03:36.36 | beepie | "What makes libYUI different? |
| 03:36.36 | beepie | Ofcourse, UI frameworks are everywhere these days. But what makes libYUI different is that it is NOT a separate framework. It is an abstraction layer for existing UI frameworks such as GTK, ncurses and Qt!" |
| 03:36.50 | beepie | zzz |
| 03:37.29 | emss | beepie if you are a lazy developer it seems like a good idea :) |
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| 03:59.54 | Sebboh` | Hi. I just got myself an amazon ec2 instance and put Debian.org's squeeze image in it. It was automagically configured to have an admin user, and I was given a private key that I can and did use to ssh into the machine has admin. Great. From there I can sudo. Which brings me to my question: how can this 'admin' user, UID 1000, group admin, sudo, when there is no entry in the sudoers file for it? There is an entry for %sudo (sudo |
| 03:59.54 | Sebboh` | group). |
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| 04:03.31 | somiaj | Sebboh`: type groups, the default sudo file in squeeze and onward allows users put in the sudo group to gain full primisisions |
| 04:03.34 | Sebboh` | Hm, sudo -l says Matching Defaults entries for admin on this host: "env_reset" |
| 04:03.50 | somiaj | so is your user in the sudo group? |
| 04:03.52 | Sebboh` | yeah, admin is in 'admin' group, only. |
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| 04:09.30 | awc737 | wheezy comes with no disk partition tool? |
| 04:11.18 | Sebboh` | somiaj: http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Squeeze ..They mention here that they create an admin user that can sudo, in line with ec2 normal practices, but they don't mention how. |
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| 04:11.38 | Sebboh` | I mean, it worked already, but now I want to disable it. ;) |
| 04:11.49 | somiaj | Sebboh`: I would have to see the sudoers file |
| 04:11.57 | somiaj | Sebboh`: maybe they make the group admin have full sudo privlages |
| 04:15.21 | Sebboh` | somiaj, only three lines aren't comments: Defaultsenv_reset ; rootALL=(ALL) ALL ; %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 04:16.10 | somiaj | Sebboh`: is there any thing in /etc/sudoers.d directory? |
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| 04:18.52 | Sebboh` | there is! file: 99_admin, contents: admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 04:19.20 | Sebboh` | But, there is no includedir line in /etc/sudoers, except for one that is commented out. |
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| 04:23.30 | Sebboh` | hah. #includedir /etc/sudoers.d isn't a commented line.. The # is part of the directive. |
| 04:24.33 | Sebboh` | Incidentally, I found the scripts that were used to build this image. https://github.com/andsens/ec2debian-build-ami/blob/master/plugins/admin-user-tasks/create-user for example. Neat. |
| 04:26.01 | trysten | anyone gotten dwarfortress to work or 64bit wheezy? |
| 04:26.40 | trysten | s/or/on/ |
| 04:29.02 | trysten | i got it working on debian before with ia-32. now i'm trying to find the libs one by one and i'm stuck on libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 04:36.16 | somiaj | Sebboh`: well glad you found it. |
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| 04:36.54 | somiaj | trysten: I recall that being a pain, are you on wheezy by chance? |
| 04:37.41 | Sebboh` | In other news, I just locked myself out of the server. Uh, damn, I'm gonna have to start fresh. There is no recourse.. :( |
| 04:38.04 | trysten | somiaj: yes. it was a pain but it was worth it last time. this time i can't even solve it |
| 04:38.12 | trysten | i'm on wheezy but i added sid this morning |
| 04:38.37 | somiaj | trysten: don't mix wheezy and sid, just stick with wheezy |
| 04:38.55 | somiaj | trysten: I forget, how does dwarffortress provided its files, doesn't it provied a 32bit complied binary already? |
| 04:39.05 | trysten | somiaj: yes. |
| 04:39.10 | trysten | somiaj: i added deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 04:39.30 | trysten | somiaj: then updated everything -.- woups. but uh.. |
| 04:39.39 | somiaj | trysten: don't take that out....you do not want to mix wheezy/sid espically since soon wheezy will become stable and sid is gonna get hit with tons of possibally destructive upgrades |
| 04:39.51 | somiaj | trysten: well then welcome to sid, and be ready for the influx of packages once wheezy stableizes |
| 04:39.56 | trysten | somiaj: whee! |
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| 04:40.05 | somiaj | trysten: but that is moot do what you want there. wheezy and sid have mutliarch support |
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| 04:40.19 | somiaj | trysten: you should be able to grab the 32bit binary and just install the i386 libs it wants |
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| 04:40.41 | trysten | i'm stuck on libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 04:41.43 | somiaj | do you have libgtk2.0-0:i386 installed? |
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| 04:42.16 | trysten | somiaj: i haven't been installing the packages, just opening them up and taking out the libs. and it's not in that one, i don't think. let me double check |
| 04:43.08 | somiaj | trysten: what? sounds like you are avoiding using debian's power |
| 04:43.25 | somiaj | trysten: you just need to enable multiarch, then you can just apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386 |
| 04:43.29 | trysten | oh |
| 04:43.35 | trysten | that's pretty cool |
| 04:43.51 | trysten | how will aptitude work after that. do i have to specifiy to prefer 64 or 32 bit |
| 04:44.07 | somiaj | by default it will install 64bit packages |
| 04:44.12 | somiaj | so you don't have to do packagename:amd64 |
| 04:44.26 | somiaj | but it allows you to explictally requst it installs 32bit packages |
| 04:44.40 | somiaj | there are some restrictions, only multiarch enabled libs can have both the 32bit and 64bit installed at the same time |
| 04:45.05 | somiaj | binary packages, develpment libaries and most things that arne't multiarch enabled libs can only have either the 64 bit or the 32 bit installed, but not both at the same time |
| 04:45.18 | trysten | somiaj: debian rules. |
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| 04:46.33 | trysten | somiaj: Package libgtk2.0-0:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package |
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| 04:48.30 | somiaj | trysten: did you enable multiarch |
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| 04:48.51 | somiaj | trysten: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update |
| 04:49.03 | trysten | forgot to update |
| 04:49.48 | somiaj | trysten: you mgiht want to go and offical any i386 package you have already been manually extracting libs for |
| 04:50.08 | somiaj | i.e. you should let dpkg manage the files on your system. That is its job |
| 04:50.53 | trysten | somiaj: yeah i only put them in the game folder. |
| 04:51.11 | somiaj | ahh okay, (: |
| 04:51.15 | trysten | somiaj: thanks for helping me understand multiarch. just found out about it today >.> |
| 04:51.24 | somiaj | it is new with wheezy |
| 04:51.28 | somiaj | it replaces the old ia32-libs |
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| 05:21.29 | azizLIGHTS | hwo can i figure out why my computer all of a sudden rebooted |
| 05:22.30 | beepie | azizLIGHTS, cat /etc/debian_version<enter> |
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| 05:22.49 | azizLIGHTS | 7.0 |
| 05:22.54 | beepie | azizLIGHTS, that's why |
| 05:23.01 | azizLIGHTS | :) |
| 05:23.03 | azizLIGHTS | fair enough |
| 05:23.21 | beepie | you're not using debian. |
| 05:23.24 | ParkerR | How is him being on Wheezy explain a random reboot? |
| 05:23.26 | beepie | it wouldn't say that. |
| 05:24.01 | azizLIGHTS | is there anymore hints i can get from the system? |
| 05:24.10 | beepie | yeah, try installing debian. |
| 05:24.21 | azizLIGHTS | what do you mean? |
| 05:24.32 | beepie | azizLIGHTS, download an .iso, burn an iso, and then boot the cd |
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| 05:24.51 | azizLIGHTS | is this not the right channel? |
| 05:24.55 | beepie | !iso |
| 05:24.56 | dpkg | [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at http://www.debian.org/CD . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent>, <jigdo>. Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ See also <vendors>, <cd1>, <missing iso>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <iat>. |
| 05:24.59 | beepie | ^ |
| 05:25.04 | azizLIGHTS | should i go somewhere else |
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| 05:25.12 | beepie | try installing debian |
| 05:25.38 | ParkerR | beepie, What? Doing the cat on a debian 6 system I get 6.0.6. I dont see how him getting 7.0 says its not debian |
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| 05:25.56 | azizLIGHTS | i dont understand either |
| 05:26.15 | beepie | zzz |
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| 05:28.00 | beepie | jc. |
| 05:28.06 | beepie | cat /var/log/systelog* stuff |
| 05:28.18 | ParkerR | jc.? |
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| 05:39.04 | trysten | now that i'm on sid, do i get security updates? |
| 05:39.44 | trysten | deb security.debian.org sid/updates does not work |
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| 05:42.15 | rawng | trysten: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable |
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| 05:48.12 | peterrooney | trysten: short version: no. |
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| 05:54.09 | john_rambo | Debian uses apparmor or selinux ? |
| 05:54.28 | emss | john_rambo also grsecurity |
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| 05:55.03 | bocaneri | is there a single command to grab all the source for all the packages already installed? |
| 05:55.13 | john_rambo | emss, It uses apparmor & selinux both ? |
| 05:55.23 | emss | john_rambo whatever you want |
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| 05:58.02 | emss | bocaneri grab? |
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| 05:58.25 | bocaneri | All I have right now are binaries. Suppose I wanted to examine source? |
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| 05:59.42 | new[] | Is there a reason why on wheezy the GLSL version string is 1.20 when in squeeze i think it was 1.30 ?? |
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| 06:01.56 | ParkerR | new[], What is the package name for glsl? |
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| 06:03.58 | new[] | ParkerR: eh that's not easy to answer... this is returned by: glxinfo|grep ersion |
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| 06:04.09 | new[] | but it's the graphics driver basically |
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| 06:04.45 | ParkerR | What graphics chip? |
| 06:05.53 | new[] | GM965/GL960 |
| 06:06.28 | ParkerR | Oh so Intel |
| 06:06.35 | new[] | yeah |
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| 06:06.46 | new[] | maybe it was version 1.20 also in squeeze.... |
| 06:06.56 | new[] | i just think it should be 1.30 because |
| 06:07.04 | new[] | mesa 8.0.5 supports OpenGL 3.0 |
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| 06:07.16 | new[] | and the OpenGL3.0 GLSL version is 1.30 |
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| 06:07.29 | new[] | opengl version for GLSL 1.20 is GL2.1 |
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| 06:07.49 | new[] | but i guess that depends more on the graphics driver than just mesa |
| 06:08.03 | new[] | assuming they're even separate |
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| 06:14.16 | emss | bocaneri not sure how to use aptitude to download package sources but you could do something with `dpkg' output |
| 06:16.39 | ectospasm | aptitude does not appear to have the capability to download source archives. |
| 06:16.46 | ectospasm | I'd use apt-get source for that. |
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| 06:17.33 | bocaneri | There's not much fear of introducing some kind of collision? |
| 06:18.30 | emss | bocaneri dpkg --list | awk 'NR>5{ print $2 }' | while read; do apt-get source "$REPLY"; done |
| 06:18.52 | bocaneri | emss, yes, in the absence of a better approach, this is more or less what I'd have done. |
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| 06:19.08 | emss | it only downloads does not install |
| 06:21.38 | john_rambo | I have installed selinux then used enforce mode. Now iceweasel wont start "input/output error" |
| 06:21.56 | emss | :) |
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| 06:22.38 | emss | read the selinux documentation? |
| 06:22.52 | emss | think you need to create an acl for it ... |
| 06:23.04 | emss | a "policy" |
| 06:23.06 | emss | or something |
| 06:23.14 | john_rambo | emss, Okay |
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| 06:51.27 | pagios | what is the deamon that runs cron.daily? and how is it called automatically by the system? i dont see any cron deamon running in the process list and neither it is listed in my crontab -l |
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| 06:53.56 | whiz0rd | Hi |
| 06:54.11 | whiz0rd | I seek for polish dictionaries fro 2.8.6 abiword |
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| 06:54.18 | whiz0rd | anybody know where I can get them? |
| 06:54.26 | ImQ009 | Hello. I'm rather unexperienced with linux operating system and I'm trying to install Skype. I get a bunch of missing libs and I can't seem to be able to apt-get them |
| 06:54.54 | kvarley | squeeze = stable, wheezy = testing, sid = unstable? Am I right? |
| 06:55.04 | ImQ009 | Can I like make it automatically install all libs because there's quite a bit of them |
| 06:55.11 | rww | kvarley: yes |
| 06:55.27 | kvarley | rww: Thanks, is it possible to install sid from a image? |
| 06:55.27 | beepie | !sid |
| 06:55.28 | dpkg | i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 06:55.35 | beepie | ^ :) |
| 06:55.43 | kvarley | beepie: :D |
| 06:55.49 | beepie | unstable is for developers |
| 06:55.53 | beepie | testing is for users |
| 06:56.05 | ectospasm | no |
| 06:56.29 | beepie | afaik that's what i heard.. unstable is more dangerous |
| 06:56.41 | beepie | ectospasm, no, what? |
| 06:56.46 | beepie | ectospasm, waiting.. |
| 06:56.48 | ectospasm | unstable is for users who are willing to investigate and report bugs if something comes down from experimental that breaks things. |
| 06:57.00 | rwp | Unstable breaks quite often. You need to be savvy enough to rescue it when it doesn. |
| 06:57.06 | ectospasm | ...unstable is not solely for developers. |
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| 06:57.21 | rwp | Unstable is for bug reporters. |
| 06:57.23 | beepie | ectospasm, testing and unstable are both experimental.. but unstable is more of a "tarball" dump.. is more experimental.. |
| 06:57.28 | rww | dpkg: sid upgrade test |
| 06:57.28 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
| 06:57.31 | kvarley | has been using Linux for about 8 years now :) |
| 06:57.42 | beepie | rwp, never said it was solely for developers.. |
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| 06:58.10 | beepie | doesn't have to be.. but the debian docs prefer users testing with 'testing' vs 'unstable'.. |
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| 06:58.15 | kvarley | So you'd recommend I install wheezy rather than sid? I hear that you can switch after install, is that true? |
| 06:58.17 | ectospasm | beepie: unstable != experimental |
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| 06:58.23 | rwp | Sorry. I wasn't trying to be unpleasant. It just came out that way. |
| 06:58.33 | beepie | ectospasm, how long you using debian? |
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| 06:58.43 | ImQ009 | Could someone help me, please? |
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| 06:58.56 | ectospasm | beepie: I don't understand the why of the question. |
| 06:59.23 | beepie | ectospasm, the why of the question is prudence of everything you say. Everything is logged on freenode. |
| 06:59.24 | rww | kvarley: it's relatively easy to go in one direction (stable -> testing -> unstable). the other direction is not easy. |
| 06:59.36 | beepie | ectospasm, you claim something you better have a way to back it up. |
| 06:59.36 | rww | kvarley: and yes, wheezy is a better idea than sid |
| 06:59.41 | beepie | ectospasm, unless you are trolling. |
| 06:59.49 | kvarley | rww: Ok, thanks |
| 07:00.08 | ectospasm | beepie: I was just claiming that unstable/sid is not solely for developers like you asserted. |
| 07:00.33 | rwp | ImQ009, Don't ask if you can ask something. Instead just ask what you want to ask. |
| 07:00.39 | beepie | ectospasm, users use "testing", not "unstable" |
| 07:00.40 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 07:00.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:00.45 | beepie | ectospasm, you're saying otherwise. |
| 07:00.58 | beepie | ectospasm, show me a debian documentation recommending users to use "unstable" then i'll shut up |
| 07:00.58 | ImQ009 | rwp, I just did |
| 07:00.59 | emss | whiz0rd `aptitude search dict' ? |
| 07:01.04 | ImQ009 | rwp, Earlier |
| 07:01.07 | ectospasm | beepie: I'm a user. I use sid. One exception to your rule invalidates your assertion. |
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| 07:01.19 | beepie | ectospasm, waiting for the documentation link. |
| 07:01.33 | rwp | Sorry. It was before I started paying attention here. I will scroll back. |
| 07:01.33 | rww | ectospasm: "is for" != "is used by" |
| 07:01.34 | beepie | ectospasm, do you understand the simple "why"? try googling the link for me. |
| 07:01.47 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 07:01.48 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 07:01.48 | beepie | ectospasm, show me a documentation link asserting your claims. |
| 07:02.07 | beepie | ectospasm, you're going to detract your statement? |
| 07:02.15 | rww | retract ** |
| 07:02.16 | beepie | ectospasm, because you know you're wrong. |
| 07:02.19 | beepie | ectospasm, |
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| 07:02.41 | beepie | ectospasm, I know what you are. I don't need to ask "why". |
| 07:02.46 | ectospasm | beepie: I see what you're asking for. It doesn't exist. I wasn't saying sid use is recommended for most users. But that it isn't solely for developers. |
| 07:02.54 | rwp | ImQ009, I am not a Skype user. (It is nonfree.) But have you looked at http://wiki.debian.org/skype ? |
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| 07:03.09 | beepie | ectospasm, you don't know anything that you're talking about. I suggest to rtfm. |
| 07:03.12 | beepie | !rtfm |
| 07:03.13 | dpkg | [rtfm] Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 07:03.37 | rww | beepie, ectospasm: I suspect this discussion has reached the end of its useful life. |
| 07:03.38 | beepie | zz |
| 07:03.48 | ectospasm | rww: I was thinking the same. |
| 07:04.10 | ImQ009 | rwp, I'll check it, thanks |
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| 07:04.49 | beepie | this channel is better back 8 years ago. |
| 07:05.00 | rwp | ImQ009, There is a pretty extensive description there so I hope it helps. |
| 07:05.04 | beepie | i wish abrotman were here, i'm sure he'd agree with me. |
| 07:05.27 | ectospasm | !ot | beepie |
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| 07:06.21 | beepie | debian has become too popular. This is how newbs thank hardcore bugreporters for their work. |
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| 07:06.23 | beepie | tsk |
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| 07:07.42 | b0lt | O.o |
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| 07:07.50 | ectospasm | holier than thou can leave it alone. |
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| 07:10.11 | rwp | pagios, cron runs cron.daily. Look in /etc/crontab. |
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| 07:16.07 | epitamizor | do i need the netboot version along with the regular cd iso to host tftp server? |
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| 07:17.13 | ectospasm | epitamizor: what is it that you're trying to do? |
| 07:17.27 | ectospasm | You can host anything on a tftp server. |
| 07:18.01 | epitamizor | boot a pxe client but its getting download error, right now i just have the regular iso image on the tftp server |
| 07:18.54 | epitamizor | shouldnt the iso be enough or do i need the netboot version |
| 07:20.01 | ectospasm | epitamizor: lemme see if I can find the guide I used to set up my PXE boot server... |
| 07:20.22 | epitamizor | im looking on this one http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 07:21.19 | epitamizor | not sure if that one is correct its pretty old |
| 07:21.25 | ectospasm | that's what I used. |
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| 07:23.50 | ectospasm | epitamizor: I think I copied parts of the Debian ISO image to the tftp share. |
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| 07:25.04 | ectospasm | epitamizor: ...since the ISO image will have the pxelinux.0 and related configuration files on it. |
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| 07:26.05 | b0lt | network booting will generally not load an iso image |
| 07:26.25 | epitamizor | is it isolinux or pxelinux because all i see is isolinux |
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| 07:27.10 | epitamizor | yes it needs a bootup program to point to the actuall iso |
| 07:27.14 | ectospasm | epitamizor: I don't think isolinux is it. |
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| 07:27.50 | epitamizor | is it the netinstall i need then? |
| 07:27.59 | b0lt | oh come on guys |
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| 07:28.00 | ectospasm | epitamizor: I see what I did. I didn't use an ISO, I used a local, partial Debian mirror |
| 07:28.07 | b0lt | http://bit.ly/10hx0ni |
| 07:28.35 | b0lt | ectospasm: --^ |
| 07:28.55 | ectospasm | b0lt: why are you telling me? I've already set it up. |
| 07:29.11 | b0lt | gah. similar names :/ |
| 07:29.11 | ectospasm | it's been a couple of months. |
| 07:29.14 | b0lt | epitamizor: that. |
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| 07:45.25 | drag0nius | what could be the reason SSH server stop responding? |
| 07:46.12 | drag0nius | all i know is that there is some kind of debian installed and ssh server very often stops responding during last few days |
| 07:46.29 | ectospasm | drag0nius: could be flaky connection |
| 07:46.42 | ectospasm | does the connection ever time out? |
| 07:46.57 | drag0nius | server is working as a router and there is internet connection from LAN |
| 07:47.20 | ectospasm | and you're connecting from the LAN side or WAN side? |
| 07:47.21 | drag0nius | looks like both SSH and VNC are going nuts |
| 07:47.32 | epitamizor | maybe cpu is getting overloaded |
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| 07:47.56 | ectospasm | is this an embedded router? |
| 07:47.57 | drag0nius | basically its some net/file sharing server using samba and remote SFTP |
| 07:48.05 | drag0nius | its a PC |
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| 07:49.13 | ectospasm | yeah, could be many things. Does top show heavy CPU or RAM usage? |
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| 07:49.24 | drag0nius | i have no idea, got no access to it yet |
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| 07:52.10 | drag0nius | i might be wrong but looks like everything is working after reboot, but stops at some point |
| 07:52.25 | ectospasm | some process must be running away |
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| 07:53.00 | drag0nius | simple internet sharing keeps working whole time though |
| 07:54.18 | Iridos | why do you care about the ssh server when you don't have access? |
| 07:54.33 | Iridos | or did you used to have access |
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| 07:55.44 | drag0nius | basically it's server working at friend's company (net sharing, sftp, samba) 3 people worked with it over last 4 years, file sharign stopped working few days ago and last guy doesn't feel like repairing it |
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| 07:57.15 | knifebunny | check /var/log/secure .. perhaps sshd is getting hammered by brute force |
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| 07:57.57 | drag0nius | is it possible to reset root password with direct access to the machine? |
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| 07:58.17 | knifebunny | yes, by booting into single user mode |
| 07:58.19 | ectospasm | drag0nius: yes, single user mode |
| 07:59.00 | ectospasm | if you have a non-root user account that has sudo access, you can "sudo -i" and then "init 1" to drop to single user mode. |
| 07:59.19 | ectospasm | or, just use the passwd command |
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| 08:04.22 | drag0nius | thanks for info, at least got something to start with when they bring it to my place |
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| 08:22.02 | Arafangion | How do I change the default application that launches when I'm in xfce4 and I insert a DVD? |
| 08:22.06 | Arafangion | I don't like mplayer - I want it to launch vlc. |
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| 08:40.51 | jelly | Arafangion: what happens if you uninstall mplayer? |
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| 08:43.23 | Arafangion | jelly: I assume it would stop launching mplayer, but it wouldn't then run vlc. |
| 08:43.45 | Arafangion | jelly: Incidentally, if I'm in gnome, it runs vlc automatically, so there is something else running in xfce4. |
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| 08:49.28 | Mickou | hi all, how can i crypt a partition without loose datas ? |
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| 08:51.09 | ectospasm | Mickou: do you want to encrypt it in place? The easiest way would be to create a new encrypted volume and move the data to it, but that would need considerable free space. |
| 08:51.24 | ectospasm | Mickou: that being said, I don't use block level encryption on anything |
| 08:51.45 | ectospasm | I use ecryptfs to encrypt a directory (~/Private) |
| 08:52.08 | ectospasm | well, ~/Private is the mount point for the unencrypted access to the files. |
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| 08:53.34 | Mickou | ectospasm, yes i would encrypt the full data partition, but i cannot create a new one (i dont have any space) |
| 08:54.07 | Mickou | i dont know if it is possible to encrypt the partition in use |
| 08:54.24 | ectospasm | not usually |
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| 08:56.25 | ectospasm | I'd encrypt an ecryptfs directory, and move all of your sensitive files to it. |
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| 08:58.31 | Mickou | its not the best solution for me because i want to encrypt the datas partition of a nas |
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| 08:58.47 | Mickou | it would be better to encrypt the entire partition ^^ |
| 08:58.49 | invariant | How can I compute a recursive directory size total and absolutely nothing else? |
| 08:59.00 | invariant | du also wastes time doing other things. |
| 08:59.03 | Arafangion | invariant: What do you mean? |
| 08:59.08 | ectospasm | Mickou: is it possible to rebuild the NAS data partition with encryption in mind? |
| 08:59.13 | Arafangion | invariant: What other things? |
| 08:59.23 | invariant | Arafangion, like printing the size of subdirectories. |
| 08:59.51 | Mickou | ectospasm, what do you mean ? |
| 09:00.14 | Arafangion | invariant: Something like du --depth 1 | tail -n 1, you mean? |
| 09:00.15 | invariant | Perhaps du -s already works. |
| 09:00.22 | ectospasm | Mickou: meaning, can you reinstall the NAS (do you have somewhere to put the data) and set the partition to be encrypted? |
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| 09:01.35 | Mickou | ectospasm, sure i can but i just wanted to knnow if it was possible to do it without erase the partition |
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| 09:02.26 | ectospasm | Mickou: this may give you a clue: http://stolowski.blogspot.com/2011/06/debian-60-encrypting-home-partition.html |
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| 09:03.24 | Mickou | ectospasm, thanks for your help ! |
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| 09:05.26 | ectospasm | Mickou: note that you should have a complete, tested backup of your NAS before doing that. |
| 09:06.30 | Mickou | ectospasm, sure but the server is in test so if i do a mistake, i can reinstall ;-) |
| 09:06.53 | ectospasm | Mickou: Ah, OK. So there's no live data on it yet. That's good. |
| 09:07.06 | Mickou | ectospasm, yesy ;-) |
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| 09:18.17 | subb1 | HI Debian. |
| 09:20.08 | subb1 | I'm trying to set nofile and memlock in limits.conf file on debian6. However the changes are not getting reflected. This is my limits.conf entry: http://pastebin.ca/2350219, where 'elasticsearch' is a user. |
| 09:21.06 | subb1 | when i check with ulimit -n and ulimit -l after changing to that user, i still see 1024 and 64 as the limits respectively. |
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| 09:21.25 | nevyn | did you login again? |
| 09:21.30 | ChrisH | subb1: how did you change to that user? |
| 09:21.44 | subb1 | ChrisH, from root I did 'su |
| 09:21.47 | nevyn | subb1: also editing limits.conf isn't reccommended. |
| 09:21.52 | subb1 | su - elasticsearch |
| 09:21.53 | ChrisH | subb1: su or su - ? |
| 09:22.37 | nevyn | subb1: you should create a file elasticsearch in /etc/limits.conf.d |
| 09:22.43 | jelly | subb1: limits.conf is a pam_limit module config file. Do you become that user using a service or an app that's PAM-enabled? |
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| 09:23.32 | subb1 | nevyn, I'll try that. jelly: there is a process's init script that will run a binary as this user. |
| 09:23.48 | subb1 | jelly, it is the elastic search server actually. |
| 09:23.56 | jelly | subb1: how exactly will it "run a binary as that user"? |
| 09:24.24 | jelly | subb1: eg. if you use "su", verify there's an uncommented line like "session required pam_limits.so" present in /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 09:24.42 | Stadtpirat | Hi. If I add "deb http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ squeeze nginx" to sources.list. How would I install the package so that "aptitude upgrade" will also update everything installed from that repo? |
| 09:25.27 | nevyn | subb1: /etc/security/limits.conf.d actually |
| 09:25.47 | ChrisH | subb1: given your syntax it did not work for me either |
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| 09:27.48 | ksk | Stadtpirat: this will happen automagicly |
| 09:27.52 | subb1 | jelly: please see line 148 of http://pastebin.com/SgGXMPaw. That is how the binary is started. |
| 09:28.12 | subb1 | as use 'elasticsearch'. |
| 09:28.13 | ksk | if there are packages in that repo that have the sme names like in the original and you want to prefer the nginx repo you will have to make some pinnings |
| 09:28.38 | ksk | !tell Stadtpirat about apt-pinning |
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| 09:29.16 | ksk | Stadtpirat: keep in mind that using 3rd party repos is always somewhat dangerous and unwanted by "debian" |
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| 09:29.56 | Stadtpirat | Thanks. |
| 09:30.15 | jelly | ksk: good thing this is 1st party, then |
| 09:30.44 | ksk | nginx.org ist debian.org? *confused* |
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| 09:30.48 | ksk | s/ist/is/ |
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| 09:31.21 | jelly | ksk: Original author is the first party. Distro is the second party. |
| 09:31.27 | ksk | ah okay :) |
| 09:31.52 | Iridos | there's a party! and another one! and another one! \o/ |
| 09:32.06 | jelly | \o\ /o/ |
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| 09:32.23 | Iridos | that looks more like aerobic, tho |
| 09:32.38 | luese | \o german party.. |
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| 09:33.18 | subb1 | nevyn, should it be /etc/limits.d/elasticsearch file? |
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| 09:34.48 | jelly | subb1: start-stop-daemon does not use PAM, thus, limits.conf do not apply at all |
| 09:35.28 | subb1 | jelly, wow.. didn't guess that. So how actually do we make this into effect? |
| 09:35.43 | jelly | subb1: the easy hack is to put some ulimit lines right into that init script |
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| 09:38.14 | jelly | subb1: or into a config file sourced by that script, ie. /etc/default/elasticsearch |
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| 09:38.47 | meryy78 | http://amateurgirlfuckedhard.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-best-amateur-and-pornstar-collection.html |
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| 09:45.22 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 09:45.23 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
| 09:45.34 | subb1 | jelly, thanks buddy let me try that. |
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| 09:47.36 | subb1 | jelly, ok good. In the /etc/default/elasticsearch that is sourced by that init script we have 2 directives which I have set as: |
| 09:47.38 | subb1 | MAX_OPEN_FILES=65535 |
| 09:47.39 | subb1 | MAX_LOCKED_MEMORY=unlimited |
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| 09:48.10 | subb1 | So I hope that will solve the things? Even if sudo su - elasticsearch -c ulimits -n or -l will return the old value? |
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| 09:48.30 | nevyn | subb1: /etc/security/limits.conf.d/elasticsearch |
| 09:48.31 | damarusama | hi there, I have a debian server and was wondering what type of tools are available to manage a mailling list? Something similar to a newsletter, but text only |
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| 09:48.59 | ectospasm | damarusama: mailman is one such package, I think. |
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| 09:49.11 | damarusama | ectospasm: thanks will look into it |
| 09:49.18 | subb1 | nevyn, jelly just said that since this server I'm trying to start uses start-stop-daemon its no use setting in limits.conf files since it doesn't use pam. |
| 09:49.28 | nevyn | ah. |
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| 09:57.41 | subb1 | nevyn, /etc/security/limits.conf.d/elasticsearch I did the changes to this file. After su - elasticsearch I'm still not able to see the new limits.. |
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| 10:03.57 | jelly | subb1: why would you see them? |
| 10:04.27 | jelly | subb1: "su - elasticsearch" does not do the same thing as "invoke-rc.d elasticsearch start" |
| 10:05.42 | subb1 | jelly, https://github.com/grigorescu/Brownian/wiki/ElasticSearch-Configuration. There is a "verification" step there. So it says after you set the limits.conf, sudo -u elasticsearch -s "ulimit -Sn" should reflect the new limit settings. |
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| 10:05.55 | jelly | subb1: your shell started with su will have different rlimits set up from what the init script does |
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| 10:06.37 | jelly | subb1: that would make sense only if you actually used su when starting the service. |
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| 10:07.00 | jelly | and configured su to set them |
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| 10:08.09 | jelly | since you're not using su to get the service running, what a second, different shell (and different process) shows is not relevant |
| 10:08.21 | jelly | each process has their own limits |
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| 10:09.13 | subb1 | ok jelly. If we ignore the "service" thing there. Just for a normal user, how would we change this limits setting? |
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| 10:10.19 | subb1 | we can leave all other facts that this user need to start a service or anything. Just that how would be change the default limits? |
| 10:10.28 | subb1 | we* |
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| 10:26.36 | _val_ | guys. I'm packaging a source. If the package is dependend let's say on mod_perl. Do I enter Depends: ${mod_perl:Depends} into debian/control file? |
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| 10:32.55 | noxy | oh, just xdamage is missing which package contains that = |
| 10:33.54 | noxy | i found them, nvm >.> |
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| 10:37.18 | peterrooney | noxy: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search xdamage # Apt-file answers 80-90% of debian specific questions |
| 10:39.07 | jpw | will apt-file ever be put in base? |
| 10:39.54 | jpw | never mind i just looked at the dependencies. |
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| 10:50.06 | Iridos | _val_, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#control the entry of line 11 is explained underneath the next multi-line grey box. Also compare http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps ; If you don't use this, you just give the package name (possibly with version in brackets), just as you see in apt-cache show <package> |
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| 10:51.01 | _val_ | Iridos: http://dpaste.org/5OSpQ/ and I am following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
| 10:51.14 | _val_ | I am at the debuild -us -uc |
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| 10:51.59 | _val_ | I don't get the first step though. It says "mv hithere-1.0.tar.gz to hithere_1.0.tar.gz. Shouldn't that be cp insteaD? |
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| 10:57.28 | babilen | _val_: I would strongly recommend to read the New Maintainer's Guide and other documentation linked on http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers |
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| 10:58.18 | babilen | _val_: Packaging questions are also more on-topic in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- The reason why this should be a move is that you want the name of the software seperated with "_" from its version. |
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| 11:00.06 | _val_ | babilen: I've renamed the .tar.gz into ....orig.tar.gz So that should not really complain about not finding ... |
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| 11:00.51 | _val_ | babilen: I also have a few links but trying to follow 1. It just gets confused. I'm not trying to upload the package right away. Just see if it first works. |
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| 11:38.58 | andkore | are there any tools I could use to troubleshoot high cpu usage? xorg takes over 30% cpu sometimes. and when it goes up to that point it stays there |
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| 11:47.38 | _val_ | Iridos: http://dpaste.org/Vde7W/ does this look OK? |
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| 11:57.30 | ChrisH | ,v otrs |
| 11:57.32 | judd | Package: otrs on i386 -- sid: 3.1.7+dfsg1-8; wheezy: 3.1.7+dfsg1-8; experimental: 3.2.4-1 |
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| 11:57.57 | ChrisH | _val_: looks OK to me. |
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| 12:00.03 | _val_ | ChrisH: the dpkg-deb --contents shows something else |
| 12:01.35 | ChrisH | dpkg -L otrs ? |
| 12:01.36 | dpkg | ii otrs 2.9-5.3 chrish's private gamp collection |
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| 12:02.21 | ChrisH | _val_: ups. I assume dpkg -L otrs will show you the files, too. |
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| 12:03.48 | _val_ | ChrisH: mine shows the following. .. |
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| 12:04.39 | jhutchins_wk | _val_: #debian-mentors on oftc.net might be more help. |
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| 12:05.41 | _val_ | jhutchins_wk: Yeah probably.. but I know chris has done otrs packages eralier so.. |
| 12:05.52 | _val_ | ChrisH: mind if I pm you for a little? |
| 12:06.05 | ChrisH | has not done any dpkg packaging |
| 12:06.10 | DammitJim | what is a utility I can use on the terminal that can help me see who is sucking all the memory? |
| 12:06.15 | DammitJim | besides top |
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| 12:06.33 | jelly | DammitJim: what's wrong with top? |
| 12:06.53 | DammitJim | nothing wrong with it |
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| 12:07.00 | DammitJim | was just wondering if there was a different utility |
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| 12:07.15 | DammitJim | I don't like it moving around LOL |
| 12:07.22 | _val_ | DammitJim: ps aux |
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| 12:07.42 | ksuhku | DammitJim, or use the single shot mode |
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| 12:07.50 | _val_ | ChrisH: do you mind if I send you the dpaste link? |
| 12:07.57 | DammitJim | oh, let me learn something new! |
| 12:08.01 | DammitJim | how do you do single shot? |
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| 12:08.22 | ksuhku | DammitJim, don't remember, read the man page, it was something batch something |
| 12:08.26 | jelly | or set a long update interval, like 300 seconds |
| 12:08.32 | _val_ | just did ^ |
| 12:08.46 | teraflops | hi, how to deactivate warnings treatments as error in module-assistant? |
| 12:09.08 | DammitJim | ooohh.. how do you change the update interval? |
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| 12:10.50 | DammitJim | top -b -n1 for single shot |
| 12:10.50 | DammitJim | yes |
| 12:11.28 | DammitJim | how come it says 28.7 %MEM but the system is using up 7GB out of 8GB and I don't see any other high MEM utilization on other processes? |
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| 12:13.33 | jpw | DammitJim: that's probably down to disk caching. `free -m` will show you a more readable version of memory usage. |
| 12:13.34 | DammitJim | oh, could it be that RAM is just being used to cache apps? and therefore wouldn't be reported since that's not used by a "process?" |
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| 12:14.38 | DammitJim | so, the cached column would explain that, right? |
| 12:14.44 | apm1 | 4-5 gb to just cache |
| 12:14.49 | apm1 | not probable |
| 12:14.52 | jpw | DammitJim: That's right the cachable doesn't appear as free because it's holding information for the kernel. If the kernel gets low on available ram, older cache objects get purged. |
| 12:15.13 | DammitJim | yeah, in my case it's about 3.87GB in cached! |
| 12:15.25 | DammitJim | I am running a VM but limited it to 2GB |
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| 12:20.56 | jelly | !free ram |
| 12:20.57 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 12:22.05 | jelly | DammitJim: key 's' in top to change the interval, 'M' to sort by RESident memory, 'h' or '?' to get some help |
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| 12:23.37 | adrianb_ | hello everybody. I'm running right now a debian live usb stick. how can I see all the filesystems I have in place now? I should see a windows one, an ubuntu one and another swap one, but sudo fdisk -l only shows me the stick I'm running from at the moment |
| 12:23.47 | DammitJim | jelly, thanks, I did knew about M and P and stuff, but just wasn't sure "who" was using my memory. I recently upgraded from 4gB to 8 and I just booted up |
| 12:24.19 | noxy | hey, i wanna remove MESA Drviers on my system how can i do that ? |
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| 12:26.06 | tavish | adrianb_: sudo fdisk /dev/sda or sdb etc might be what you need |
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| 12:28.38 | SineTheCreator | hi all |
| 12:29.03 | SineTheCreator | i just setup a debian 6 vm. how do i check the exact debian version? also, how do i get to .7? |
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| 12:29.36 | SineTheCreator | this is headless btw |
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| 12:32.01 | adrianb_ | tavish: that doesn't work... though |
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| 12:33.02 | abrotman | SineTheCreator: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 12:33.23 | tavish | adrianb_: adrianb_ does cat /proc/partitions list them? |
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| 12:33.56 | tavish | if not, they probably have not been detected |
| 12:33.56 | SineTheCreator | abrotman: i want to go to 6.0.7. also, no bot ever msg'd me :D |
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| 12:34.52 | adrianb_ | tavish: no, that doesn't do it... |
| 12:36.37 | e-anima | i thought using aptitude to install stuff is the better way. it seems that if i try that installing BACULA its just forces sqlite to be used. so i used aptitude remove bacula ,but all files stay i want it to kill everything files/config |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | SineTheCreator: ah .. sorry, misunderstood |
| 12:38.08 | abrotman | SineTheCreator: lsb_release -a |
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| 12:39.41 | SineTheCreator | abrotman: thanks :D |
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| 12:40.02 | SineTheCreator | abrotman: it says command not found. do i need to install a package to use lsb_release? |
| 12:40.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell SineTheCreator about apt-file |
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| 12:40.29 | SineTheCreator | worked that time, thanks |
| 12:41.14 | SineTheCreator | ... ok, that didnt help |
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| 12:41.44 | SineTheCreator | ahh i need update-manager |
| 12:41.53 | abrotman | what? |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search lsb_release;aptitude install lsb-release |
| 12:42.29 | SineTheCreator | okay, i got lsb-release package installed |
| 12:42.38 | SineTheCreator | it says release: 6.0.7 and i guess that means i' |
| 12:42.41 | SineTheCreator | i'm* current? |
| 12:43.21 | jelly | SineTheCreator: pretty much, yes |
| 12:43.33 | SineTheCreator | awesome. thanks all |
| 12:43.40 | SineTheCreator | now i can setup the mail server finally |
| 12:43.43 | SineTheCreator | :( |
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| 12:45.35 | abrotman | ah, the easy things |
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| 12:49.30 | jelly | sarcasm detected |
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| 12:58.24 | Pricey | Running wheezy. Whenever I launch libreoffice calc gnome seems to die (leaving windows around) Looking in syslog I see "WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' killed by signal 6 ". Google hasn't been my friend, anyone have any ideas? I am running the 3.8-trunk-amd64 kernel from experimental to avoid a random laptop hanging bug... |
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| 13:10.51 | spm_Draget | Running squeeze 64bit and trying to execute a 32bit elf. Trying to run it simply makes bash say 'file not found'. I found online someone saying that I should install 'lib32gcc1' which will probally solve the issue. But can someone explain to me what I am installing and why this is nessecary? |
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| 13:16.28 | jpw | spm_Draget: you're installing the 32bit libraries that the binary was compiled against. |
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| 13:17.26 | spm_Draget | Is libgcc1 something like a c-runtime? I thought glibc was this c-runtime. |
| 13:18.23 | tom_ | has anyone got the fingerprint reader working on a thinkpad x200? |
| 13:18.33 | abrotman | spm_Draget: the package has a description |
| 13:18.43 | abrotman | spm_Draget: you probably want ia32-libs |
| 13:18.45 | SineTheCreator | lol i just killed iptables |
| 13:18.55 | SineTheCreator | i forgot you cant merge config files with iptables-restore ;\ |
| 13:19.02 | SineTheCreator | welp reinstall time |
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| 13:19.38 | tom_ | the reader is an aes2810, which is supposed to be supported in libfprint > 0.5.x |
| 13:20.02 | spm_Draget | abrotman: Library of internal subroutines that GCC uses… sounds more like a lib for actually compiling with GCC than for the compiled software. |
| 13:20.11 | tom_ | I installed this from experimental, but the reader is still not recognised by lspci |
| 13:20.39 | spm_Draget | Ah, ia32-lib, I guess I will go for there. |
| 13:20.48 | spm_Draget | Okay, thanks. |
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| 13:21.09 | UukGoblin | why does /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog use delaycompress? |
| 13:21.35 | UukGoblin | it uses a postrotate script to reload rsyslog, so there shouldn't be a need for delaycompress I think? |
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| 13:21.55 | UukGoblin | or am I wrong? |
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| 13:24.51 | jhutchins_wk | UukGoblin: Obviously someone disagrees. |
| 13:25.16 | UukGoblin | jhutchins_wk, really, I'm just wondering if I could remove it. It... gets in my way |
| 13:25.25 | UukGoblin | (if I could *safely* remove it) |
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| 13:26.49 | jhutchins_wk | UukGoblin: How on earth could it "get in your way"? |
| 13:26.49 | megha | which package to install to get the information about the ip addr in the terminal ? |
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| 13:27.40 | UukGoblin | jhutchins_wk, I'm using a lastaction/endscript block to upload log files to Amazon S3. I want them compressed. |
| 13:28.00 | jhutchins_wk | megha: net-tools |
| 13:28.39 | megha | thanks jhutchins_wk :) |
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| 13:29.07 | jhutchins_wk | UukGoblin: I guess you'll have to read the documentation for rsyslog and figure out why they do that. Be sure to check README.Debian. |
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| 13:29.54 | UukGoblin | jhutchins_wk, I'll have a look, thanks |
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| 13:37.28 | UukGoblin | I've found an explanation: http://kb.monitorware.com/race-between-rsyslogd-and-logrotate-causing-loss-day-t10858.html |
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| 13:39.38 | UukGoblin | It's... disappointing. |
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| 13:41.19 | becker_11 | Can anyone tell me if the version of rxvt-unicode in the wheezy repo is patched by debian at all? |
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| 13:47.30 | jhutchins_wk | becker_11: Have a look at the changelog. |
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| 13:51.09 | noxy | hey there, i have build Mesa 9.0.1 Drivers as debian package then successfully installed to my system, but when i use "glxinfo | grep version" OpenGL String looks like it's using old 8.0.5 drivers so how can i configure newly installed Mesa Drvier ? |
| 13:51.19 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: It's uncanny how Ubuntu removed delaycompress and ended up with losing data in the logs ... |
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| 13:51.56 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, I guess they were thinking the same as I was... |
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| 13:52.04 | petn-randall | noxy: Seems as if you didn't do it right. What packages did you rebuild, how did you install them? |
| 13:52.27 | UukGoblin | I guess a little comment around the delaycompress statement explaining this race would be helpful |
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| 13:52.45 | UukGoblin | as it seems that it only hides the problem... actual race still being there |
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| 13:52.48 | SineTheCreator | ok it's official, debian rules, ubuntu sucks |
| 13:52.54 | noxy | petn-randall: i followed http://verahill.blogspot.com/2012/11/mesa-901-64-bit-on-debian-wheezy.html this guide |
| 13:53.04 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: It doesn't hide the problem, it fixes it. |
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| 13:54.03 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: Or it's a problem that can't be solved, since you can't restart rsyslog and move the log file atomically. |
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| 13:54.15 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, well according to that post "Specifying delaycompress in logrotate hides the problem to some extent, although it is not a guaranteed fix" |
| 13:54.17 | SineTheCreator | how long will debian 6.0.x be supported? anyone know? |
| 13:54.28 | noxy | petn-randall: i also installed it again manually as like "dpkg -i mesa_9.0.1-1_amd64.deb" i got no error at all |
| 13:54.36 | SineTheCreator | by supported i mostly mean how long will the repos stay up? |
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| 13:55.29 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, this doesn't need to be atomic. The problem there is that rsyslog sometimes doesn't actually re-open logfiles upon HUP. At least the way I understand it. |
| 13:55.34 | abrotman | SineTheCreator: one year after wheezy is released .. but the repo will be archived eventually at archive.debian.org |
| 13:56.04 | SineTheCreator | abrotman: when is wheezy going to be released? |
| 13:56.14 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: It actually is a fix, AFAICS. rsyslog has the file opened, when you move it, it will still write to that file. Only after you restarted rsyslog it will use the new file, after that you can do whatever you want with the old file. |
| 13:56.37 | abrotman | SineTheCreator: as soon as it's ready, not a moment before |
| 13:56.46 | becker_11 | jhutchins_wk, I can do that but to be honest I have no idea where to find it. Would that be installed on my pc? |
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| 13:57.10 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, from that post it seems rsyslog has an optimization not to re-open logfiles if nothing has been written to them. Which causes the problem. |
| 13:57.11 | SineTheCreator | abrotman: so nobody knows exactly? |
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| 13:57.38 | petn-randall | SineTheCreator: Right. Debian releases when ready, not when a certain date comes by. |
| 13:57.53 | abrotman | SineTheCreator: not really .. i'd guess within a month or two |
| 13:58.00 | jelly | the definition of "ready" varies! |
| 13:58.06 | jelly | !wheezy pool 2 |
| 13:58.09 | jelly | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 13:58.10 | dpkg | ! blubberdiblub=2013-04-07 lisandro=2013-04-26 enrico=2013-03-25 madamezou=2013-04-01 5ynrg=2013-04-26 shirish=2013-05-15 LtL=2013-05-21 rizlah=2013-01-02 bolt=2013-04-01 TCW=2013-02-17 bab1len=2013-05-04 cousin_luigi=2013-01-14 tremon=2013-01-26 je11y=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 m1|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 s1monr7n=2013-03-23 themi11=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 13:58.16 | abrotman | did i lose yet? |
| 13:58.17 | UukGoblin | if this post is right, rsyslog will be writing to the .1 file for a day, which is IMO wrong |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | oh, i might actually be close :) |
| 13:58.32 | jelly | abrotman: did you CHANGE the bet?!?! |
| 13:58.35 | noxy | petn-randall: any clue about my problem ? |
| 13:58.38 | abrotman | looks like babilen will be closer |
| 13:58.43 | abrotman | jelly: nope been that the whole time |
| 13:58.55 | jelly | themi11 lost tho |
| 13:59.07 | abrotman | some DD he is .. hrmph |
| 13:59.19 | jelly | tres optimystique |
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| 13:59.59 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: You're talking about Ubuntu's version of rsyslog. I have no such info that Debian's version has this behaviour. It would certainly be a RC bug. |
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| 14:00.45 | UukGoblin | oh... maybe, didn't know they used 2 different versions |
| 14:00.50 | jelly | petn-randall: it does, I've seen it happen at times |
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| 14:02.05 | petn-randall | jelly: That's awful. Haven't noticed that on my machines yet :/ |
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| 14:04.31 | petn-randall | noxy: Nope. But this doesn't sound good: "Finally, I don't really have a good grasp over graphics on linux -- which means that I'm still confused by OpenGl, CL, Mesa etc." |
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| 14:05.15 | noxy | petn-randall: thanks anyway :) |
| 14:05.48 | petn-randall | noxy: Though it looks to me like you still have the old libs installed, and they take preference. |
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| 14:14.52 | antithesis | Hello |
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| 14:15.02 | antithesis | Is using PPAs in Debian advised? |
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| 14:17.53 | jelly | antithesis: not really. PPA binary repos only build packages for various ubuntu releases. If you have to, you can try using their sources and deb-src repos and at least build the binaries for debian proper, yourself |
| 14:18.22 | antithesis | Sounds like hassle |
| 14:18.56 | jelly | true dat |
| 14:19.25 | jelly | fixing a broken system with mixed ubuntu and debian packages is a hassle as well |
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| 14:22.56 | frogsnot | antithesis: what program are you trying to find ? perhaps there is an other avenue you could take.. |
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| 14:25.07 | antithesis | frogsnot I don't recall but I've encountered a few programs that weren't in Debian's repos but were available as PPA |
| 14:25.27 | antithesis | It's mostly that I want to at least be able to do that if needed |
| 14:25.37 | antithesis | What's the other avenue? |
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| 14:27.31 | toad_ | how do i verify the key used to sign the installers? it's not in debian-archive-keyring - is the web page the only option? |
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| 14:27.35 | antithesis | So if PPAs are a must for me, Ubuntu is the way to go? |
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| 14:28.58 | noxy | i'm running on 3.2.0-4 kernel , is it possible to have Mesa 9.0.1 Drivers on this kernel ? Where can i check this ino ? Anyone can guide me |
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| 14:32.14 | toad_ | okay it looks like it is signed by some of the people in the shipped debian-keyrings |
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| 14:39.10 | jelly | antithesis: or learn to build binary .debs yourself |
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| 14:41.58 | drag0nius | what would RAID1 partitioning look like? |
| 14:43.41 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 14:44.22 | drag0nius | i just received server comp for making it work again and i'm trying to determine what is running there |
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| 14:44.53 | ChrisH | drag0nius: run blkid and find out |
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| 14:45.14 | drag0nius | looks like some dumb copy backuping |
| 14:46.06 | jpw | what does that look like? |
| 14:46.21 | drag0nius | there is one big partition for /home |
| 14:46.46 | drag0nius | on first disk, then second has sdb1 mounted at /mnt/backup/ |
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| 14:47.11 | drag0nius | containing tar.gz'ed home and etc directories |
| 14:47.47 | antithesis | Is mixing Debian Stable with Testing (i.e. using Stable as base system, but installing some packages from Testing) any less stable than just using Testing? |
| 14:48.12 | petn-randall | antithesis: I'd vote for yet, it's less tested. |
| 14:48.22 | petn-randall | s/yet/yes/ |
| 14:48.40 | converge | how can I check if I'm using 32 or 64 bits version ? |
| 14:48.57 | jpw | converge `uname -a` |
| 14:49.28 | converge | jpw: cant see it here.. Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 01:04:36 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:49.29 | antithesis | petn-randall but can it break my entire system, or just those packages I pulled from Testing? |
| 14:49.45 | jpw | converge: that's 32 bit |
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| 14:49.49 | petn-randall | antithesis: Both :) |
| 14:50.03 | converge | jpw: can u teach me how to find it ? |
| 14:50.05 | frogsnot | converge: that "686" oart of the kernel name indicates that it is a 32bit architecture |
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| 14:50.22 | frogsnot | part* |
| 14:50.22 | jpw | converge: 64 bit has x86_64 instead of i686 |
| 14:50.33 | converge | frogsnot, jpw, thanks |
| 14:50.48 | converge | is there a way to convert a 32 bits version into 64 ? |
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| 14:51.25 | petn-randall | converge: In wheezy there theoretically is. |
| 14:51.25 | abrotman | not without reinstall |
| 14:51.29 | abrotman | or not easily anyway |
| 14:51.51 | petn-randall | converge: It's probably a lot easier to backup and reinstall the machine. |
| 14:51.52 | jpw | could be a nice LUG challenge |
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| 14:52.14 | abrotman | jpw: it's a debootstrap, it's not super hard if you know what you're doing .. |
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| 14:52.22 | converge | petn-randall: I have an ERP running on it, now we have leak of memory and we're needing more than 4GB memory |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | converge: sounds like a vendor problem :) |
| 14:52.44 | abrotman | converge: you can use the 686-pae kernel |
| 14:52.45 | converge | so, reinstall an ERP it's kind a hard situation |
| 14:52.50 | abrotman | !tell converge about pae |
| 14:52.55 | jelly | or the amd64 kernel. |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | curses at jelly |
| 14:53.13 | petn-randall | :) |
| 14:53.53 | converge | wow :D |
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| 14:54.03 | petn-randall | converge: That of course only works if you have a 64bit CPU ... ;) |
| 14:54.20 | abrotman | which he hasn't verified yet |
| 14:54.27 | jelly | server CPUs have 64bit since 2003 or so |
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| 14:54.34 | converge | It's a 64 bit cpu |
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| 14:54.38 | petn-randall | jelly: Not all. |
| 14:54.52 | jelly | petn-randall: hence the "server" qualification |
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| 14:55.35 | abrotman | still not all |
| 14:56.15 | petn-randall | If you define "server CPU" as 64 bit, you're safe with that statement. ;) |
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| 14:56.26 | jelly | shrug |
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| 14:57.25 | converge | dpkg: bigmem ? |
| 14:57.26 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM on Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems supporting <PAE>. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead. See also <686-pae>. |
| 14:57.26 | jelly | petn-randall: amd and intel each have brands specific for server usage; amd's used to call theirs opteron; intel still calls theirs "xeon" |
| 14:58.41 | abrotman | converge: you can msg the bot |
| 14:58.56 | converge | sorry |
| 14:59.10 | petn-randall | jelly: Ok, then we were talking about slightly different thinks. Cheap hosters still offer servers with "desktop" hardware. So we were discussing "CPUs in servers" vs "CPU series specifically tailoured for servers". |
| 14:59.19 | petn-randall | s/thinks/things/ |
| 14:59.29 | petn-randall | damnit, what are my fingers doing today ... :( |
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| 15:00.29 | nully | you wanna look at cat /proc/cpuinfo then address size physical/virtual |
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| 15:05.03 | sKeiths | hi, I have 2 disks, sda and sdb. sda was dying, so I moved my two partitions, I moved home no problems. I then booted live cd and cloned sda1 to sdb1. changed uuid of sda1 to random. My system is now booting fine on new disk but the bootloader is still on sda. how do i move the bootloader onto sdb so i dont need sda to boot anymore? |
| 15:06.05 | kvarley | sKeiths: sudo grub-install /dev/sdX |
| 15:06.25 | sKeiths | trying it now, ty |
| 15:06.52 | kvarley | sKeiths: May need to regenerate the list also "sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" |
| 15:07.13 | kvarley | sKeiths: Make sure you write to the correct /boot location on the new drive not the old one :) |
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| 15:08.18 | sKeiths | " /boot was part of my / partition. i had only home on seperate partition. |
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| 15:18.21 | antithesis | petn-randall but is the former really likely? |
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| 15:21.30 | petn-randall | antithesis: Your question equates to "How long is a piece of string?" |
| 15:21.45 | petn-randall | antithesis: And the answer is "Yes, but no idea how long." |
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| 15:22.26 | antithesis | petn-randall So if a better answer :) |
| 15:22.55 | antithesis | Yeah I know. It's just that I don't see why it should come with issues seeing how Ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 15:23.00 | petn-randall | antithesis: Having a mixed stable/testing system *WILL* more likely break than a pure testing one. Simply because testing is used 100x more often, and because of that bugs will be found and fixed more likely, than your specific combination of packages from stable and testing. |
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| 15:24.09 | petn-randall | antithesis: And if that doesn't convince you: We called those mixed systems "frankendebian". And we hate to support them in #debian, because they cause more headaches than they're worth. :) |
| 15:24.18 | petn-randall | antithesis: Hope that answers your questions :) |
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| 15:24.59 | petn-randall | antithesis: I'm confused, what does Ubuntu have to do with this? |
| 15:25.10 | antithesis | I'm more concerned with the PPAs |
| 15:25.25 | antithesis | Why would installing from a PPA on Debian cause trouble? |
| 15:25.31 | antithesis | (that was my other question) |
| 15:26.44 | petn-randall | antithesis: Because those packages are built and compiled against packages (e.g. libraries) from Ubuntu. And Ubuntu does modify their packages, and sometimes even breaks the ABI/API of them. |
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| 15:27.42 | antithesis | petn-randall thanks |
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| 15:28.28 | antithesis | Unstable packages need to be tested for at least 10 days before they end up in Testing, right? |
| 15:28.59 | petn-randall | antithesis: IMO most PPAs in Ubuntu are of quite varying quality. They might break your system too, so meh. Those few packages I needed I easily backported from Debian or Ubuntu. |
| 15:29.15 | finkata | \quit |
| 15:29.47 | petn-randall | antithesis: It depends on the urgency. Low = 10 days, medium = 5 days, high = 2? days, IIRC. |
| 15:30.16 | antithesis | Ah, backports, I completely forgot about those |
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| 15:31.02 | drag0nius | whats preferable way to set up software raid1? |
| 15:31.13 | antithesis | I've encountered programs that weren't even in Debian Unstable, but were available as PPAs |
| 15:31.36 | petn-randall | drag0nius: With mdadm, two identical HDDs, on top of that LVM or partitions. |
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| 15:32.34 | antithesis | petn-randall but how is it ensured that those packages that have been in Unstable for 10 days, were actually downloaded and tested by anyone before they enter Testing? |
| 15:32.43 | petn-randall | antithesis: Some are, but if they don't get into unstable, they're either super buggy, have license/patent problems, or have a dead upstream. I'm not saying all of them have, but I feel about 80% do. |
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| 15:33.22 | antithesis | If a program just sits in Unstable for 10 days without anyone actually testing it, it can still enter the Testing repos? |
| 15:33.23 | petn-randall | antithesis: There are enough people who run on Debian sid. :) |
| 15:34.08 | antithesis | those delays count for updates, not just for new programs, right? |
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| 15:34.35 | petn-randall | antithesis: Of course, say libc6 will get a more thorough testing than e.g. software to calculate ab initio molecule interaction. But then again the impact is quite low if the latter is buggy. |
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| 15:36.25 | petn-randall | antithesis: IIRC, only for updates. New packages need some blessing by one of the teams (repository team?). But you'd better ask someone who's a Debian developer. |
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| 15:37.12 | antithesis | thanks |
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| 15:39.56 | petn-randall | antithesis: You're welcome. I hope I could shed some light into these topics for you, and didn't get too much wrong. Don't hesitate to ask if you have further questions! |
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| 15:41.35 | antithesis | So is Stable with backports more stable than just Testing, or is it the same story? |
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| 15:43.57 | petn-randall | antithesis: If you pick only single packages from backports, stable + backports will as a rule of thumb be more stable. |
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| 15:44.23 | petn-randall | antithesis: However, if you've got a desktop system, instead of installing everything backports has for you, it might be better to just go for wheezy. |
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| 15:45.43 | chipotle | how do i add a user to the www-data group so he can edit files that www-data owns? |
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| 15:46.36 | petn-randall | chipotle: adduser <username> www-data |
| 15:46.45 | chipotle | petn-randall the user is already created though... |
| 15:46.51 | ksk | but he will only be able to edit file which belong to the www-data group |
| 15:47.13 | petn-randall | chipotle: What ksk said, and it has to be group-writeable. |
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| 15:47.43 | chipotle | how do i make it group writable? |
| 15:47.52 | chipotle | the user is already in the www-data group, i realized... |
| 15:47.58 | ksk | setting the appropiate group-bits |
| 15:48.02 | petn-randall | chipotle: man chmod |
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| 15:48.15 | ksk | you want to take a look at how permissions work on linux |
| 15:48.56 | sKeiths | kvarley: thanks. sudo grub-install /dev/sdb worked perfectly. no need to reconfigure list or worry about boot. and after I removed old drive, sdb is now sda and all is working perfectly. ty |
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| 15:49.27 | kvarley | sKeiths: np |
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| 15:49.46 | chipotle | so i just type 'chmod -R g+w /var/www' and that should work, ksk and petn-randall? |
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| 15:50.46 | sKeiths | if diskspace is not an issue, and i have 8gb ram, quad core cpu, what is good size linux-swap drive? |
| 15:51.18 | sKeiths | i work mainly with virtual machines |
| 15:51.24 | awc737 | How can I upgrade libc6 |
| 15:51.39 | geggam | sKeiths, i use 2gb standard swap for everythign |
| 15:51.41 | awc737 | a program is telling me: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.14) |
| 15:51.50 | kvarley | sKeiths: 8GB swap? |
| 15:52.00 | awc737 | dpkg -l libc6 shows I have 2.13-38 |
| 15:52.01 | geggam | if you are actively using swap generally there is a problem |
| 15:52.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 shows I have 2.13-38 |
| 15:52.09 | kvarley | has no swap |
| 15:52.21 | bolt | good swap size is however much you need to rescue your system when it starts swapping |
| 15:52.45 | geggam | meh... let the system die fast |
| 15:52.58 | bolt | or, if you actually plan on swapping, sum up how much you're going to need in memory size, add some, subtract your actual memory and run with it |
| 15:53.07 | bolt | there's no clear answer - you need as much as you're gonna use |
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| 15:53.25 | bolt | if unsure, use a swap file. you could always resize that |
| 15:53.28 | bolt | or lvm |
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| 15:53.52 | awc737 | How can I upgrade libc6 |
| 15:54.05 | bolt | if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
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| 15:54.14 | geggam | lol |
| 15:54.23 | awc737 | bolt, was that to me |
| 15:54.27 | bolt | yes |
| 15:54.30 | awc737 | I need 2.14 at least |
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| 15:54.34 | awc737 | that is a dumb assumption |
| 15:54.52 | geggam | or an assumption someone is dumb :) |
| 15:55.08 | awc737 | there is no simple way of updating it |
| 15:55.11 | bolt | awc737: why do you need that? |
| 15:55.15 | awc737 | so no I'm not dumb I just don't know |
| 15:55.20 | awc737 | because I want to run screencloud |
| 15:55.27 | bolt | ,versions libc6 |
| 15:55.29 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; sid: 2.13-38; wheezy: 2.13-38; experimental: 2.17-0experimental2 |
| 15:55.33 | geggam | libc6 is horrible to update and generally causes breakages which is a good way to learn |
| 15:55.44 | sKeiths | I doubled the bigest answer :) 16GB. I have no idea if I do or will need it. |
| 15:55.50 | geggam | fuck no |
| 15:55.52 | awc737 | I've done it before, on wheezy, I don't remember how |
| 15:55.56 | geggam | that is a huge waste sKeiths |
| 15:56.01 | awc737 | I can promise nothing will break between 2.13-38 and 2.14 |
| 15:56.38 | bolt | well it's a waste of less than a blueray movie. space is cheap |
| 15:56.51 | bolt | but yeah, it might be overkill |
| 15:56.51 | geggam | -_- |
| 15:56.53 | awc737 | In the past, I found a .deb package of libc6 and installed it |
| 15:56.58 | awc737 | I don't know where that was hosted |
| 15:57.12 | bolt | awc737: you want to break your system, backport it from experimental |
| 15:57.12 | geggam | goes back to idling missing the days when people managed resources instead of wasting them |
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| 15:57.20 | awc737 | bolt, I don't want 2.17 |
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| 15:57.37 | bolt | awc737: you want rootkits, install .debs from random places on the internet |
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| 15:57.53 | awc737 | bolt, is there no official way to just update it |
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| 15:57.56 | awc737 | to a specified version |
| 15:57.59 | bolt | nope |
| 15:58.26 | awc737 | so then wtf are you talking about: <bolt> if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 15:58.31 | awc737 | should have been "you can't" |
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| 15:59.23 | bolt | awc737: you didn't say "to a specific version" at that time |
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| 15:59.43 | bolt | you could always compile it yourself, i guess |
| 15:59.47 | antithesis | How long can I continue using Debian Stable without updating or upgrading? |
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| 16:00.19 | awc737 | libc6 isn't maintained any where on the internet? you say "from random sources" like no one will have the real 2.14 |
| 16:00.21 | antithesis | With Ubuntu, if a new release comes out, you can't install any software from the repositories before upgrading |
| 16:00.25 | bolt | antithesis: as long as you want |
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| 16:00.53 | bolt | antithesis: you can keep using debian potato, with archive.debian.org, if you want. you won't get any security updates though |
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| 16:01.20 | sKeiths | geggam: Its not wasted. its in reserve. If I need another small partition for something later I can do a swapoff, resize, swapon and make a new partition without having to resize huge main partition. |
| 16:01.23 | bolt | antithesis: debian also generally provides a good upgrade path to newer releases. you most likely don't have to reinstall to upgrade |
| 16:01.24 | ksuhku | potato ftw! |
| 16:01.30 | jparkton | lol |
| 16:01.59 | antithesis | thanks |
| 16:02.16 | jparkton | Any way to get my chromium browser to sync or am I asking too much |
| 16:02.16 | bolt | awc737: i said "from random sources" as a response to you saying "I don't know where that was hosted". if you have a question about why i say something, please ask - don't assume |
| 16:02.17 | awc737 | I found this |
| 16:02.17 | awc737 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc-dev-bin |
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| 16:02.30 | awc737 | well I was asking |
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| 16:02.42 | awc737 | on that page, I see dep: libc6 (<< 2.14) [not alpha, hppa, hurd-i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, s390x, sh4] |
| 16:02.47 | geggam | if you ever need 16gb of swap you are doing something very very wrong sKeiths |
| 16:02.55 | awc737 | nvm thats not it |
| 16:02.56 | jparkton | ^^ |
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| 16:03.31 | bolt | ..or your swap is on a bunch of ssd's in raid 0 :) |
| 16:03.42 | awc737 | maybe... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/libc6/2.15-0ubuntu10.4 |
| 16:03.46 | jelly | awc737: in general, if an installation attempt tells you "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.14)", this is not an issue with glibc itself, rather the binary package is just not built for your installed distro |
| 16:04.06 | awc737 | jelly, yeah but supposedly it works on squeez |
| 16:04.15 | bolt | awc737: don't install ubuntu packages on debian |
| 16:04.47 | jparkton | thats asking for a lot of issues |
| 16:04.49 | awc737 | k |
| 16:04.50 | sKeiths | I'm using 9.7% of ram and o.o% of swap at the moment :D |
| 16:05.06 | bolt | sKeiths: well are you doing what that machine is going to be doing? |
| 16:05.18 | jelly | awc737: it won't work without further changes to the system, sorry |
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| 16:05.40 | awc737 | I'm going to make some changes :) |
| 16:05.43 | jelly | awc737: if you have access to the source for that, you can try to rebuild it |
| 16:05.45 | awc737 | I know I've had it working in wheezy before |
| 16:05.54 | sKeiths | pretty much. |
| 16:05.55 | awc737 | not sure where to get libc6 source |
| 16:05.55 | Nahiyan | What would be the recommended size for the partition of a debian + KDE install? |
| 16:06.08 | awc737 | or you mean the source for screencloud? |
| 16:06.10 | jelly | awc737: not libc6, the software you're trying to install. |
| 16:06.14 | somiaj | sKeiths: do you ever plan to do a suspend to disk (useful if you want to suspend without having to use power) |
| 16:06.20 | awc737 | and just change the dependancy? |
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| 16:06.23 | awc737 | what if it really needed it? |
| 16:06.24 | jelly | awc737: don't mess with libc6, it's a critical system component |
| 16:06.33 | sKeiths | Machine will be left on indefinetly |
| 16:06.46 | jelly | awc737: then you'd use a supported OS, not squeeze |
| 16:07.01 | petn-randall | chipotle: Yes, that should work. |
| 16:07.03 | somiaj | sKeiths: just was gonna mention that swap is used for suspend to disk and in that case you do want the swap to be at least the size of your ram (so you can write all of the ram to disk) |
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| 16:07.23 | jelly | awc737: eg. you might run the thing in a debootstrap created chroot of ubuntu 12.04 lts. |
| 16:07.39 | sKeiths | somiaj: nice. must remember that for my home machine. |
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| 16:08.33 | bolt | Nahiyan: you can get far with 10-15 gigs, depending on what else you install. with a separate /home for whatever data you have |
| 16:08.39 | somiaj | sKeiths: also note there is a difference between suspend to disk (hibernate) and suspend (keep the ram active but turn off the major componets). The difference is suspend to disk needs no power to keep the state, while normal suspend does |
| 16:08.48 | jelly | awc737: alternatively, ask the vendor to provide a build for Debian 6 |
| 16:09.27 | awc737 | 7 you mean |
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| 16:09.49 | Nahiyan | bolt, what about a lightweight /home for settings and NTFS (windows dual boot) partitions for everything else? |
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| 16:10.16 | somiaj | Nahiyan: if you don't plan to have much in /home in the first place little reason to have as a seperate parttion (cept for maybe backup/reinstall issues) |
| 16:10.43 | somiaj | Nahiyan: but in general you should run things as an unprivlaged user and that is the default place for users to store their data |
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| 16:11.04 | Nahiyan | uh, this is for a friend who's HDD can store in total about 40GB |
| 16:11.06 | Nahiyan | >_< |
| 16:11.11 | Nahiyan | whose*? |
| 16:11.38 | Nahiyan | tight on space |
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| 16:12.03 | Nahiyan | I just came back from his house and chrome wasn't working.. He uses XP.. |
| 16:12.06 | somiaj | 40gigs should be more than enough until you start collecting tons of data (music, sorce code, video, etc) |
| 16:12.32 | Nahiyan | He already has tons of data |
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| 16:12.43 | bolt | Buy him a new drive? |
| 16:12.50 | awc737 | 40gb? is it ide |
| 16:12.51 | bolt | nobody should have 40 gigs today... |
| 16:12.52 | Nahiyan | bolt, I'm poor |
| 16:12.57 | Nahiyan | awc737, probably |
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| 16:13.12 | Nahiyan | What's weird is that it has a 1600x900 display |
| 16:13.14 | Nahiyan | decent |
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| 16:13.26 | Nahiyan | crappy mouse + crappy keyboard |
| 16:13.26 | bolt | do you happen to be in norway? i have a tall stack of 250gb ide drives sitting in my closet... |
| 16:13.31 | jelly | awc737: I assumed "squeez" stood for squeeze, Debian 6 |
| 16:13.44 | jelly | awc737: the still current release |
| 16:13.52 | Nahiyan | bolt, RAID! |
| 16:14.02 | bolt | Nahiyan, NOISE! |
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| 16:14.03 | Nahiyan | bolt, unless you have important data |
| 16:14.12 | Nahiyan | bolt, CLOSET SERVER! |
| 16:14.12 | Nahiyan | lol |
| 16:14.58 | bolt | i prefer my openly serving server... |
| 16:15.18 | geggam | bangaldesh ? |
| 16:15.25 | Nahiyan | geggam, yeah.. |
| 16:15.35 | Nahiyan | geggam, if you guessed that then holy shit, nice |
| 16:15.41 | geggam | whois IP |
| 16:15.48 | geggam | its not rocket science |
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| 16:15.52 | Nahiyan | thought so |
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| 16:16.12 | Nahiyan | and it's bangladesh |
| 16:16.14 | geggam | i was going to donate drives as well |
| 16:16.18 | Nahiyan | (a and l) |
| 16:16.31 | geggam | but shipping is more than the drives are worth |
| 16:17.25 | Nahiyan | pretty much |
| 16:17.26 | bolt | dumpster dive near local electronics store or big corporation? |
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| 16:17.57 | geggam | im betting that country there isnt many good things thrown away |
| 16:18.08 | bolt | much of the old crap i used to have was from a car park basement below a huge company |
| 16:18.16 | Nahiyan | bolt, I'm under the impression that HDDs can't take much of a hit to survive dumpsters and what geggam said probably |
| 16:18.17 | bolt | hm.. true |
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| 16:18.38 | bolt | Nahiyan: oh, they can take quite a beating if not running |
| 16:18.51 | Nahiyan | bolt, oh |
| 16:18.54 | bolt | Nahiyan: not being thrown into a dumpster, perhaps, but placed a bit roughly? sure. |
| 16:19.01 | geggam | one good drop on the corner from 3+feet == dead drive in my experience |
| 16:19.08 | geggam | pisses you off when you do it too |
| 16:19.30 | bolt | well it would depend on the angle and some pure luck :) |
| 16:19.41 | Nahiyan | There's a market for computer-stuff tho, but I haven't seen any dumpsters near it :P |
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| 16:20.25 | bolt | running drives is a completely different story though. i once scrapped a huge (at the time) external hd that was sitting on its side and simply tipped over to a flat position. wouldn't even spin up after that |
| 16:20.38 | Nahiyan | ._. |
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| 16:21.56 | geggam | heh... did it click thunk click thunk ? |
| 16:22.00 | geggam | cool noise |
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| 16:22.22 | awc737 | does anyone know of an HTTP packet sniffer for debian, like Charles, but free |
| 16:22.33 | petn-randall | bolt: So if you get them, you'll be coming out of the closet, with several 250 GB IDE drives? |
| 16:22.43 | awc737 | bolt, came out of the closet? |
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| 16:23.15 | geggam | international humor doesnt always work |
| 16:23.15 | bolt | er. did i miss some thing? |
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| 16:23.45 | bolt | i think the time to make the gay joke was kind of 5 minutes ago... and still inappropriate at that time |
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| 16:24.24 | petn-randall | bolt: It's not gay, IDE is just old. |
| 16:24.41 | converge | my server is freezing sometimes, is it a good way to detect it watch the syslog using ssh ? |
| 16:25.04 | bolt | petn-randall: i don't think anyone said otherwise. that's why the discussion is themed around giving such drives away for free |
| 16:25.31 | awc737 | petn-randall, the drive is not gay? |
| 16:25.38 | bolt | oh stop it |
| 16:25.48 | awc737 | lol, just found it funny he actually pointed that out |
| 16:25.51 | bolt | converge: run memtest86, read system logs |
| 16:26.31 | petn-randall | bolt: I give away all my old hardware, if I don't find any other use for it. Or sell it cheap to friends, if it's still worth some money. |
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| 16:26.37 | superlinux-hp | hi all |
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| 16:26.56 | petn-randall | bolt: IMO unused hardware is a hazard to the environment. And a waste :) |
| 16:27.07 | bolt | !greet superlinux-hp |
| 16:27.08 | dpkg | G'day, superlinux-hp |
| 16:27.18 | jpw | I have no less than 2 computers no less than 11 years old still in active service for personal projects |
| 16:27.58 | awc737 | is it that hard to count them? |
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| 16:28.02 | awc737 | is there 2? 3? |
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| 16:28.23 | jpw | im not sure how old the 3ed is |
| 16:28.26 | converge | bolt: thanks |
| 16:28.32 | jpw | s/3ed/3rd/ |
| 16:28.40 | geggam | i use many old computers...all the companies i work for buy me new ones ... ironically i have more issues with the new ones |
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| 16:28.49 | superlinux-hp | i am making a durability test for my laptop. I have debian squeeze with backports installed too on kernel 3.2 I have till now over 32 days of uptime. and i just had my Gnome collapsed |
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| 16:29.21 | superlinux-hp | bolt, how about that? great? isn't? |
| 16:29.45 | bolt | superlinux-hp: sure, i love a collapsed gnome every now and then |
| 16:30.20 | jpw | wish my company would buy me computers - i've had to bring in my own workstation because I needed linux. I'm a systems administrator... |
| 16:30.32 | geggam | me too |
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| 16:31.03 | superlinux-hp | bolt, but 32 days is really awesome for a laptop. though i have an i7 with 4GB RAM and 64bit system. |
| 16:31.07 | Nahiyan | why can't they just get you the computer and you install linux for it? |
| 16:31.15 | awc737 | 32 days? |
| 16:31.30 | jpw | Nahiyan: the company is fond of macs. |
| 16:31.34 | superlinux-hp | yes! awc737 my current uptime |
| 16:31.44 | geggam | linux runs on macs :) |
| 16:31.51 | jpw | i know |
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| 16:32.01 | bolt | superlinux-hp: honestly, i think a high uptime is the same as saying "i'm too lazy to install updates". there is no reason a decent debian system couldn't run for a year - doesn't mean there's any reason to do so |
| 16:32.10 | Nahiyan | jpw, >_> |
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| 16:32.38 | jpw | i just prefer having an actual workstation |
| 16:32.48 | jpw | something you can plug a 'dud' hard drive in to |
| 16:32.52 | jpw | you know useful... |
| 16:32.53 | superlinux-hp | bolt, i might not reboot unless the wheezy is moved to stable. |
| 16:33.04 | awc737 | 32 days is awesome for a laptop? aren't laptops supposed to move? |
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| 16:33.19 | bolt | superlinux-hp: sure. you do that. |
| 16:33.37 | superlinux-hp | awc737, mine doesn't need movement outdoors |
| 16:33.57 | awc737 | outdoors? |
| 16:34.01 | superlinux-hp | i have no place to go. I now program Android apps |
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| 16:34.14 | awc737 | it's no different than a desktop then |
| 16:34.20 | superlinux-hp | yes! |
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| 16:34.34 | bolt | what is the point of this discussion? |
| 16:34.55 | superlinux-hp | bolt, i am just happy i made it. |
| 16:34.56 | awc737 | leaving a laptop on for 32 days isn't really "impressive" |
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| 16:35.12 | bolt | superlinux-hp: well congratulations, then |
| 16:35.24 | superlinux-hp | thanks. |
| 16:35.35 | sKeiths | my pi is on day 21 |
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| 16:36.17 | jpw | is the pi doing anything? |
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| 16:36.30 | jpw | mine crashes when it |
| 16:36.32 | Nahiyan | Uptime IS a measurement of how awesome it is |
| 16:36.42 | superlinux-hp | have you heard of the novell netware server that recently died? it had an uptime of 16 years! |
| 16:36.42 | awc737 | pi is so weak and overpriced lol |
| 16:36.43 | jpw | 's under even a little bit of load for more than 5m |
| 16:36.45 | sKeiths | sitting waiting for an ssh from the internet. load average 0.00 |
| 16:37.14 | superlinux-hp | and i can show the pictures of that server |
| 16:37.30 | jelly | superlinux-hp: you might want to join #debian-offtopic for the uptime bragging, and keep this place for tech support |
| 16:37.39 | superlinux-hp | ok sure |
| 16:37.53 | superlinux-hp | ☺ |
| 16:38.13 | geggam | 's zaurus pda has a few years uptime on it.. doing nothing |
| 16:38.42 | bolt | dinozaurus :) |
| 16:38.55 | geggam | yeah... and mine is the OLD zaurus |
| 16:39.01 | geggam | sl5500 |
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| 16:44.08 | Nahiyan | What's the difference between DVD and CD images? |
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| 16:44.51 | jelly | there's more stuff on the larger ones available for offline installation? |
| 16:45.30 | jelly | !cd contents |
| 16:45.31 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 16:48.06 | Nahiyan | Why are there multiple torrent files.. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 16:48.11 | Nahiyan | ._. |
| 16:48.12 | Nahiyan | wait |
| 16:48.16 | oo_miguel | i am on squeeze. Do i have to use the proprietary nvidia driver in order to benefit from acceleration from my nvidia geforce card? |
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| 16:49.40 | zykotick9 | oo_miguel: i'm quite happy with nouveau in wheezy, in squeeze it would be challenging to get 3d working (i always failed), good luck. |
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| 16:52.30 | oo_miguel | when will wheezy become stable? |
| 16:52.58 | zykotick9 | oo_miguel: once the RC bug count reaches 0... whenever that is |
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| 16:53.49 | oo_miguel | i wonder if its a good idea to switch my workstation/desktop to wheezy. i preferred to stay stable so far |
| 16:54.07 | oo_miguel | but I also do not want to use teh non-free and contrib packages.. |
| 16:54.28 | zykotick9 | oo_miguel: i use only main myself ;) freedom FTW! |
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| 16:55.08 | oo_miguel | :) |
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| 16:56.10 | jelly | oo_miguel: nouveau might have issues with proper fan control and frequency/voltage scaling, depending on the hardware and version of the driver |
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| 17:04.03 | jparkton | Does anyone in here use a VoIP / chat client onDeb 64 bit? |
| 17:04.09 | jparkton | I need an opinion |
| 17:05.32 | somiaj | jparkton: The answer is yes people use them. I use skype just fine (Though since squeeze isn't multiarch the newer skypes are not built for it) |
| 17:05.43 | somiaj | there are other os voip software too |
| 17:05.56 | somiaj | so why not ask your actual question, we odn't need the forplay |
| 17:06.09 | Nahiyan | OK I can't figure it out, why the different numbered .iso[.torrent]s? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/bt-dvd/ |
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| 17:07.20 | jparkton | Skype on 64 bit runs fine as far as chat and search and such but the Video / Audio support stinks |
| 17:07.21 | somiaj | Nahiyan: all of debian cannot fit on one dvd, so to get all of debian you need multiple dvd's |
| 17:07.32 | jparkton | causes me to crash but its not multiarch so meh |
| 17:07.34 | Nahiyan | oh wow |
| 17:07.48 | somiaj | Nahiyan: in general dvd1 should give you 'most' of what you need |
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| 17:08.04 | somiaj | Nahiyan: if you have a good internet connenction, you can get away with only the netinstall image, and install the rest of the packages from the internet |
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| 17:08.43 | Nahiyan | somiaj, what about downloading the packages and reusing them later? |
| 17:09.01 | somiaj | Nahiyan: note that the netinstall contains a full functional minimial system (you do not need the internet to install that). This is important because depending on if you have a card that requires firmware (Wrieless does this a lot) or a card that needs the 3.2 kernel from backports, you can still install with the net install, just have to manually copy over stuff to get your internet working. |
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| 17:09.32 | somiaj | Nahiyan: when a package is downloaded with apt, it is stored in /var/cache/apt/archives. It will not redowload a package and will not delete those until you tell it to. |
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| 17:09.46 | somiaj | jparkton: that is more hit and miss based on hardware and not much to do with voip |
| 17:09.49 | jparkton | I want to use a voip client built in 64 bit that supports video / audio that I can use talking to clients like I used to use skype on doze |
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| 17:10.09 | jparkton | somiaj: I agree |
| 17:10.13 | somiaj | jparkton: yes sype is still kinda imature for support in linux, but really there is a lot of hit/miss on cheaper video webcams and audio devices. |
| 17:10.39 | jparkton | mine is all built in stuff |
| 17:10.47 | somiaj | jparkton: the only other one I know of is teamspeak, but even that is not free, I haven't done much with free voip. I think mumble is one |
| 17:10.52 | jparkton | I believe its logitech |
| 17:11.09 | Nahiyan | somiaj, mm |
| 17:11.11 | somiaj | I personally use a logitech headset for skype (works fine) and not the mic in my webcam |
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| 17:11.27 | jparkton | that might be a better option |
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| 17:11.56 | somiaj | on squeeze I think skype is just gonna be a pain |
| 17:12.08 | jparkton | its looking that way |
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| 17:12.10 | somiaj | you won't get the new skype, but on wheezy with multiarch you may have a better experience |
| 17:12.25 | somiaj | yea, skype does not make the newer versions for squeeze, only wheezy and ubuntu with multiarch |
| 17:12.33 | somiaj | (as far as I know) |
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| 17:17.49 | rooster_rus | I've created bridged interface and after reboot I got no internet connection at all |
| 17:18.19 | jparkton | rooster_rus: sounds like your bridge needs some reconsideration |
| 17:18.26 | rooster_rus | How come? br0 ha highrer priority or something than physical interface |
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| 17:20.13 | rooster_rus | jparkton: usual bridge, i even put metric option there. But still no connection after reboot |
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| 17:22.36 | rooster_rus | am I at wrong channel? |
| 17:24.44 | teraflops | is there any way to change in module-assistant the treatmen of warnings as errors? |
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| 17:25.33 | teraflops | or in gcc |
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| 17:25.51 | DammitJim | ok, silly question |
| 17:26.15 | DammitJim | how does one add a message upon login on a terminal? |
| 17:26.30 | DammitJim | I want to check if a drive is mounted |
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| 17:26.36 | DammitJim | if it isn't, prompt the user to do so |
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| 17:34.11 | shingouz | DammitJim: motd perhaps? What kind the script should be I have no idea, though. |
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| 17:36.34 | DammitJim | shingouz, thanks... I just came across motd and your response reinforced that |
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| 17:42.21 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
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| 17:42.40 | onebitxajax | why with debian testing kde with xauth list i have a lot of display result? |
| 17:42.55 | onebitxajax | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5680504/ (sorry but paste.debian.net don't work, i don't know why) |
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| 17:52.06 | shingouz | DammitJim: On the other hand, if you want to make a script, maybe you should slap it into bashrc. I believe it might be a bit easier. |
| 17:52.27 | DammitJim | weird, I don't have the update-motd directory |
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| 18:00.26 | honeyshell | plop |
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| 18:02.00 | Stameni | hello, i have installed eboard and then it said that a vast number of packages are no longer needed, ~ 900 mb |
| 18:02.02 | Stameni | http://pastebin.com/wxPgbKm6 |
| 18:02.20 | Stameni | what should i do ( that is what i get when do apt-get autoremove ) |
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| 18:05.13 | Stameni | here is a complete shell output |
| 18:05.14 | Stameni | http://pastebin.com/sfHzFBS2 |
| 18:05.32 | Stameni | petn-randall, can u have look at it ? |
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| 18:07.53 | sparadokos | Does Sid stay named Sid threwout Debian life? So there is Squeeze, Wheezy, then the next would be Jessie? But Sid stay's sid which is Experimental? |
| 18:08.11 | zykotick9 | sparadokos: yes. sid is always sid. |
| 18:08.31 | sparadokos | I have wheezy now so if I wanted to use jessie I would need unstable? |
| 18:08.42 | zykotick9 | sparadokos: sid IS NOT Expermintal (that's separate), sid is unstable. |
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| 18:09.15 | sparadokos | Then if I understand. Once Wheezy is stable then Jessie will be the new testing? |
| 18:09.17 | zykotick9 | sparadokos: jessie doesn't exist yet. |
| 18:09.24 | sparadokos | zykotick9: :), TY! |
| 18:09.51 | rmacd | Not sure woody would be too happy about you using jessie |
| 18:10.00 | sparadokos | lol |
| 18:11.32 | digdilem | seriously, jessie is the next name? In the UK it's slang for an effete man |
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| 18:11.50 | Stameni | apt-get autoremove wants to remove ~ 900 mb of packages, why ?! |
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| 18:12.16 | digdilem | Stameni, because you've installed then removed a whole lot of crap which has left orphans. check them manually to be sure |
| 18:12.21 | packetfrog | Is it better to go with Debian sid or a sid based distro like aptosid? |
| 18:13.16 | Stameni | digdilem, i have not installed "a whole lot of crap", only eboard |
| 18:13.17 | zykotick9 | digdilem: orphan isn't actually the right word, that's for a package that's installed, that doesn't have a repo version anymore. |
| 18:13.47 | Stameni | inkscape is one of the packeges that are on the list... |
| 18:13.50 | digdilem | zykotick9, fair point. |
| 18:14.05 | Stameni | here is the list http://pastebin.com/wxPgbKm6 |
| 18:14.14 | digdilem | Stameni, did eboard (whatever that is) install ~ 900mb of packages as well as itself? |
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| 18:14.32 | Stameni | digilink, no, thats a small graphical interface for chess |
| 18:14.42 | zykotick9 | Stameni: mind pasting that to paste.debian.net instead? see <pastebin.com> for why it's a bad choice. |
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| 18:15.02 | Stameni | ok, just a moment |
| 18:15.39 | digdilem | Stameni, when did you last autoremove? that has stuff from gnome, libreoffice and more |
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| 18:16.13 | Stameni | zykotick9, here it is http://paste.debian.net/247601/ |
| 18:16.27 | zykotick9 | Stameni: i had assumed, and digdilem comment confirms, it appears you removed something from a metapackage, now apt-get wants to remove everything from said metapackage. |
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| 18:16.34 | zykotick9 | Stameni: thanks |
| 18:16.35 | Stameni | digdilem, i do that after every installation of a software |
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| 18:17.28 | digdilem | r, i think zyk is onto something here |
| 18:17.42 | Stameni | zykotick9, I really didnt do anything manually, i installed small number of light packages and did not mess with anything more |
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| 18:18.03 | zykotick9 | Stameni: but you removed those small packages right? |
| 18:18.57 | Stameni | zykotick9, i don't recall that i have removed something... i'v installed wheezy a few days ago |
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| 18:19.14 | packetfrog | Thanks for the info. |
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| 18:19.22 | jacklk | I have a AMD Octocore 4.2GHz CPU and 32GB DDR3 RAM, is it enough to run Debian? |
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| 18:19.30 | zykotick9 | Stameni: and they happen to be part of one of the several, gnome metapackages - thus, according to apt the entire thing is no longer required. trying to break-up metapackages is more trouble then it's worth! you'd have to manually mark all involved packages as "manually installed" in order to remove something from it. it's not worth the effort. |
| 18:19.31 | Stameni | zykotick9, i DID removed and then installed iceweasel again |
| 18:19.52 | digdilem | jacklk, er, yeah |
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| 18:20.02 | jacklk | good |
| 18:20.10 | digdilem | are you just boasting? :) |
| 18:20.15 | jacklk | yes |
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| 18:20.26 | digdilem | heh. fairly sure there are folk in here who can beat that |
| 18:20.35 | Stameni | zykotick9, so what should i do ? |
| 18:20.35 | jacklk | nah ;) |
| 18:20.35 | Agiofws | hello does anyone know where wheezy stores its fonts ? |
| 18:20.46 | Agiofws | there is no ~/.fonts folder |
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| 18:20.52 | Agiofws | etc ? |
| 18:21.08 | digdilem | jacklk, i can equal it with one of my bulldozers, and i'm a hardware lightweight |
| 18:21.22 | zykotick9 | Stameni: i'd suggest trying to either reinstall the gnome metapackage, to add whatever is missing back. or just let apt-get remove everything, then reinstall it after. choice is yours. |
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| 18:22.19 | Stameni | zykotick9, i can't even pronaunce half of the things it wants to remove ... let alone install all of that later |
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| 18:22.54 | Stameni | zykotick9, i am just not going to use autoremove anymore untill wheezy stable comes out and i do complete reinstall |
| 18:22.55 | zykotick9 | Stameni: ;) by reinstalling gnome after i mean, it'll auto install the required libs/apps/etc. |
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| 18:24.24 | zykotick9 | Stameni: fyi, using aptitude instead of apt-get would avoid situations like this. as it will remove everything involved at the time, and not leave this "cruft" around. so you'll KNOW when you're breaking metapackages. |
| 18:25.12 | Stameni | zykotick9, so everything the same, jsut aptitude insted of apt-get ? |
| 18:25.20 | zykotick9 | Stameni: yup |
| 18:25.34 | Stameni | zykotick9, tnx for the help |
| 18:25.41 | Agiofws | hello does anyone know where wheezy store its fonts ? |
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| 18:25.55 | zykotick9 | Stameni: i use aptitude the same way i used apt-get (i'm not a fan of the curses interface of aptitude) |
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| 18:30.01 | jacklk | What's the max amount of RAM Debian 64 bit can support? |
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| 18:31.16 | allorder | jacklk: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/index.en.html#features |
| 18:31.30 | Duality | jacklk: 2^64 ? |
| 18:32.12 | Agiofws | hello does anyone know where wheezy store its fonts ? |
| 18:32.14 | jacklk | 16TB RAM?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? |
| 18:32.32 | jacklk | Agiofws: might depend on your desktop enviroment |
| 18:32.38 | Stameni | zykotick9, i did "aptitude keep-all" ... :) |
| 18:32.57 | ompaul | jacklk: wrong 64TiB physical memory support |
| 18:33.01 | Agiofws | gnome ? |
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| 18:33.16 | jacklk | ompaul: which is 16TB? |
| 18:33.16 | Agiofws | jacklk, usually they were in ~/.fonts |
| 18:33.35 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | isn't it 128TB |
| 18:33.42 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | i.e. the size of /proc/kcore |
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| 18:33.56 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | (for 64 bit systems) |
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| 18:34.38 | zykotick9 | Stameni: nice. ;) i had to "man aptitude" to see what that was, i'd never heard of keep-all before. Thanks! |
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| 18:38.04 | Stameni | zykotick9, i have found it here |
| 18:38.06 | Stameni | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=39045&f=10 |
| 18:39.19 | Agiofws | hello does anyone know where wheezy store its fonts ? ~/.fonts ? |
| 18:39.28 | Agiofws | stores* |
| 18:39.35 | zykotick9 | Stameni: that's actually a much easier method then what i remember for breaking meta-packages. thanks again. |
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| 18:42.49 | Agiofws | where does linux store its fonts ? in wheezy ? |
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| 18:44.11 | converge | for how long do you pass the memtest86 to chekc your memory ? |
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| 18:47.20 | zykotick9 | Agiofws: try /usr/share/fonts/X11 for Xorg's fonts |
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| 18:53.32 | petn-randall | digdilem: urbandictionary says otherwise :) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jessie |
| 18:53.49 | invariant | Chromium seems to be generating them. |
| 18:54.28 | digdilem | petn-randall, aww, that's sweet, but american. Try http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/jessie |
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| 18:55.18 | petn-randall | digdilem: Hehe :) |
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| 18:56.48 | petn-randall | Stameni: You're using aliases called 'pol', 'get' and 'autoremove', but no idea how they're defined ... |
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| 18:57.38 | petn-randall | Stameni: Looks a bit to me like you had gnome installed, and then removed it after that. |
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| 18:59.55 | petn-randall | Agiofws: You personal ones are stores in ~/.fonts, yes. |
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| 19:00.17 | petn-randall | Agiofws: Oh, what zykotick9 said, too. :) |
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| 19:02.09 | standoo | do i ask the question of how to setup kvm on debian here or or the #kvm channel? |
| 19:03.09 | zykotick9 | standoo: only ask in #kvm if you are ONLY using kvm. if you really mean libvirt then there is a #virt channel somewhere... |
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| 19:03.50 | suppy | anyone here good at disk partitioning and MBR ? |
| 19:04.26 | zykotick9 | suppy: ask a more specific question, for a more specific answer ;) good luck. (fyi, it's probably NOT me) |
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| 19:04.36 | petn-randall | suppy: Unless you're doing a survey, just ask your question :) |
| 19:04.59 | petn-randall | suppy: Which version of Debian? |
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| 19:05.08 | Lartza | I am having a bit of a problem... |
| 19:05.09 | Lartza | libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.7.3-1) but 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed |
| 19:05.09 | Lartza | E: Broken packages |
| 19:05.09 | suppy | i have debian usb boot disk. it's 1.2 GB. I'd like to expand it to 2GB to customize Squashfs , when i resize it, it does not boot ! |
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| 19:06.01 | suppy | i tried resize feature of parted, it looks it changed the size to 2GB, i can view files and verify the free space etc , but it doesnt boot. |
| 19:06.11 | petn-randall | Lartza: use paste.debian.net to show things, don't paste into this channel. Have you been mixing releases? |
| 19:06.21 | Lartza | petn-randall, No :/ |
| 19:06.39 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: looks like an issue with backports version... bpo60+1 |
| 19:06.47 | Lartza | Ahh |
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| 19:07.03 | suppy | is there a way to manually edit the size of MBR and set a new partition size ? |
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| 19:07.56 | petn-randall | suppy: You did already resize the partition, that's not your problem. You somehow broke the boot chain. |
| 19:08.01 | Lartza | zykotick9, I tried solving it myself, failed :P |
| 19:08.30 | petn-randall | Lartza: you're trying to install libsqlite3-dev? |
| 19:08.39 | Lartza | petn-randall, Yes |
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| 19:09.05 | zykotick9 | Lartza: as petn-randall suggested, paste teh commands and output you are using to paste.debian.net <bat> factoid has info |
| 19:09.10 | suppy | petn-randall: i did it with the feature of "parted" tool. if you have a better way i can try again. i want it to boot as it does before but partition size is 2GB. |
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| 19:09.32 | Lartza | petn-randall, I did it! Installed the non backports 3.7.3 that it asks via dpkg after disabling backports :) |
| 19:09.38 | Lartza | That works for now |
| 19:09.52 | Lartza | Thanks for noticing the bpo60 :) |
| 19:09.56 | petn-randall | suppy: Right. But you've already verified that the disk is now 2GB, right? So that's not the issue. The issue is that the boot loader or something broke in the process. |
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| 19:11.32 | petn-randall | suppy: What Debian boot disk are you using? Squashfs is a read-only file system, how do you want to customize it? |
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| 19:12.42 | suppy | petn-randall: hdd-usb boot disk. yes squashfs is extracted to an external directory, edited, and repacked, replaced with the one in USB stick. |
| 19:12.59 | suppy | boot disk = debian live , sorry |
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| 19:14.10 | kyconquers | I have a user who is in a permissions group, but when they create or edit a file, the group does not have ownership over it. How do I change it so that any file this user creates has the default ownership of that group? |
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| 19:14.40 | petn-randall | suppy: I think there's a whole build chain for the live disks, check the project website to it. |
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| 19:34.16 | suppy | petn-randall: i tried backing up 1.2GB *.IMG live usb with an image program, formatted USB to 2GB then restored the backup. Everything is ok but still cant boot. I think debian did something special for security :/ |
| 19:35.48 | suppy | only method remains to somehow find a debian usb that has a big size. |
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| 19:37.07 | zykotick9 | suppy: you might want to ask the folks in #debian-live about your issue(s), that's on OFTC (not freenode). |
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| 19:38.38 | suppy | zykotick9: OFTC ? |
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| 19:38.44 | zykotick9 | !oftc |
| 19:38.45 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 19:39.16 | zykotick9 | suppy: oftc is the official debian irc network |
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| 19:39.29 | suppy | k thnx |
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| 19:51.37 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | Anyone here use ksplice on debian, but not uptrack; just patching and upgrading their own kernels? |
| 19:51.45 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | I can't seem to figure it out |
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| 20:01.52 | gcr | Hey, I just upgraded to squeeze (yeah yeah, i'm late to the party). When I reboot, my server asks me to "Give the root password for maintenance: " on booting |
| 20:01.57 | gcr | Thing is, I press ^D and it's fine. |
| 20:02.05 | gcr | Everything mounted just fine, all services running |
| 20:02.12 | gcr | What's causing that message to appear? |
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| 20:02.19 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | you're booting into init S or 1? |
| 20:02.34 | gcr | I...shouldn't be. Where is that configured? |
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| 20:03.11 | gcr | actually i might be, perhaps i copied the wrong linux command line |
| 20:03.21 | gcr | ...yeah. $ cat /proc/cmdline BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.36.1-calculon-1 root=UUID=cd4dc82d-3110-4fc9-88f4-adeb1a2011a7 ro root=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 ro single quiet |
| 20:03.23 | gcr | single |
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| 20:04.14 | SmashingX | hey guys, does anybody know how can I mount a .bin file? |
| 20:04.17 | SmashingX | thanks1 |
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| 20:06.34 | debdeb | loop-mount? |
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| 20:07.02 | babilen | SmashingX: "mount -o loop -t FILESYSTEM foo.bin /mnt/foo" (or something along those lines) |
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| 20:07.19 | SmashingX | nope I used it already |
| 20:07.22 | SmashingX | it didn't work |
| 20:07.38 | babilen | dpkg: didn't work |
| 20:07.38 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 20:07.55 | SmashingX | look |
| 20:07.58 | SmashingX | sudo mount -o loop rld-nu2a.bin /mnt/disk mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:07.58 | debdeb | and if that doesnt work: i remember a program, which works like deamon-mount (sp) on windows |
| 20:08.14 | debdeb | err daemon-tools |
| 20:08.15 | SmashingX | on windows? |
| 20:08.18 | babilen | SmashingX: Keep in mind that we have /no idea/ what data you are trying to work with, why you want to do that and why we are not all having a nice time without problems. |
| 20:08.22 | SmashingX | I thought I was in debian |
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| 20:08.39 | SmashingX | ??????????????????/ |
| 20:08.40 | debdeb | yes... something like daemon-tools for linux |
| 20:08.44 | SmashingX | what babilen? |
| 20:08.50 | SmashingX | I just said what I want to do! |
| 20:10.16 | debdeb | SmashingX> sudo mount -o loop rld-nu2a.bin /mnt/disk mount: you must specify the filesystem type <- use -t auto |
| 20:10.23 | debdeb | or something else |
| 20:10.37 | SmashingX | I did |
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| 20:10.44 | debdeb | man mount... filesystems |
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| 20:11.10 | SmashingX | sudo mount -o loop -t ntfs rld-nu2a.bin /mnt/disk NTFS signature is missing. Failed to mount '/dev/loop0': Invalid argument |
| 20:11.14 | SmashingX | see? |
| 20:12.00 | debdeb | try&error... use -o ro... shouldnt break anything... but to be sure... do a backup before |
| 20:12.05 | digdilem | yeah, that doesn't work. |
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| 20:13.05 | SmashingX | sudo mount -o ro -t ntfs rld-nu2a.bin /mnt/disk NTFS signature is missing. |
| 20:13.25 | SmashingX | sudo mount -o ro -t auto rld-nu2a.bin /mnt/disk mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:13.32 | debdeb | and if its an cd-rip... it shouldnt be ntfs normally |
| 20:13.33 | SmashingX | damn this thing is a pain |
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| 20:13.43 | SmashingX | so what should I use then |
| 20:13.49 | SmashingX | auto doesn't work either |
| 20:13.55 | debdeb | somethinl like -t iso9xxx |
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| 20:14.44 | debdeb | iso9660 |
| 20:14.58 | debdeb | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=mount&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian%206.0%20squeeze&format=html&locale=en |
| 20:15.22 | debdeb | and there at "-t vfstype" |
| 20:15.37 | link15 | .changes put in a distribution not listed within it! |
| 20:15.41 | link15 | what does that even mean? |
| 20:15.49 | ompaul | SmashingX: fdisk -L please and paste the output in http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:15.50 | link15 | i'm trying to add a .changes to a repo with reprepro |
| 20:15.55 | link15 | ayone know wtf that error means? |
| 20:16.02 | ompaul | SmashingX: fdisk -l please and paste the output in http://paste.debian.net sorry needs lower caser |
| 20:16.14 | debdeb | ompaul: good point. SmashingX : do that |
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| 20:16.56 | SmashingX | http://paste.debian.net/247628/ |
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| 20:17.48 | debdeb | SmashingX: or use "isodump".. this makes a .iso out of a .bin |
| 20:18.08 | debdeb | a .iso should be mounted by mount -o loop |
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| 20:18.32 | ompaul | SmashingX: there is no partition that you can mount there other than the O/S from the data given |
| 20:19.09 | debdeb | SmashingX: err... this was your harddisk |
| 20:19.32 | ompaul | SmashingX: also given you have a 115GB disk why did you use GPT? |
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| 20:19.37 | link15 | anyone on that reprepro error? |
| 20:19.39 | debdeb | fdisk -l /path/to/file.bin |
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| 20:22.16 | debdeb | SmashingX: what you are searching is propably that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDemu |
| 20:22.16 | SmashingX | wow I could do it |
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| 20:22.26 | SmashingX | nothing of that worked |
| 20:22.49 | SmashingX | I could do it with acetoneiso |
| 20:22.56 | ompaul | SmashingX: are they all multi terrabyte or soemthing |
| 20:23.02 | ompaul | or is it soemthing else |
| 20:23.23 | debdeb | thats something like "daemon-tools" for linux |
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| 20:29.51 | debdeb | but hey... as we are at mounting here: i have a problem, too |
| 20:30.05 | debdeb | i need an automounter for network-shares |
| 20:30.37 | debdeb | which mounts automatically a samba-share... and unmounts if the share is gone |
| 20:31.05 | debdeb | for example... when i do a: $ cd /path/to/mountpoint/ |
| 20:31.13 | debdeb | it should mount automatically |
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| 20:33.06 | bolt | debdeb: autofs |
| 20:33.23 | debdeb | bolt: i will look. thanks |
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| 20:36.04 | debdeb | bolt: looks good \o/ |
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| 20:44.39 | kingsley | As long as lspci and alsamixer still see a sound card, if it was moved to a new PCI slot, will alsa need to be reconfigured or recompiled before it will actually produce a sound? |
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| 21:07.36 | Stameni | petn-randall, pol sudo apt-cache policy, get sudo apt-get install, autoremove sudo apt-get autoremove |
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| 21:08.47 | Stameni | petn-randall, i have menaged to fix it using "aptitude keep-all". Sorry, i wos not here when u ansvered |
| 21:08.58 | Stameni | was |
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| 21:43.39 | Stameni | when i try to install something using dpkg -i and it says that there are unresolved dependencies and offers a list of packeges missing, is there a way to tell him to automaticly install all that dependencies ? |
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| 21:54.01 | n2diy | I want to listen to an audio stream from radioreference.com, I can play and hear .wav files o my system, but radioreference is silent, what am I missing? |
| 21:56.06 | Stameni | pol |
| 21:56.14 | Stameni | sprry. mistake |
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| 22:01.13 | brontosaurusrex | n2diy, they have at least 7 ways to listen, which one did you try? |
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| 22:02.58 | n2diy | brontosaurusrex, found a feed I was interested in, and clicked on the listen icon to its left. |
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| 22:03.33 | brontosaurusrex | n2diy, probably you are missing flash |
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| 22:04.28 | brontosaurusrex | check page http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ |
| 22:04.39 | brontosaurusrex | should give you some info |
| 22:04.43 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting, it seems like on lenny evince wants to install 85 gnome packages, on squeeze it only installs 3. |
| 22:04.43 | n2diy | brontosaurusrex, yes, I am, having issues with flash videos too. Hoping it was something else, as I don't have time now to play around. Have to work on it later, thanks. |
| 22:04.51 | drag0nius | is ext3 failure (some short-read error) indicator of disk failure? what would be best way to test disk? |
| 22:05.13 | harrison | what can cause the error "posix_memalign: Cannot allocate memory" ? |
| 22:05.20 | harrison | besides the kernel actually being out of memory? |
| 22:05.22 | harrison | when other applications run normally at the same time? |
| 22:05.26 | jhutchins_wk | drag0nius: Yes, install & run smartmontools - but only after a backup and while ordering a new disk. |
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| 22:06.19 | jhutchins_wk | harrison: Possibly a program attempting to allocate memory in a specific range or location. WHat program? |
| 22:06.19 | drag0nius | what would be best way to backup without making whole partition's image (i dont have 1 tb free space for it, data takes less than 50gb)? |
| 22:06.30 | jhutchins_wk | drag0nius: rsync |
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| 22:07.08 | jhutchins_wk | drag0nius: look in /var/log/syslog, there may be more errors. |
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| 22:13.30 | hrob | hi |
| 22:13.53 | hrob | anyone familiar with runing a second graphics card only for CUDA applications? |
| 22:13.58 | hrob | I.e. with no desktop. |
| 22:14.15 | harrison | jhutchins_wk : LinuxAos, most recent version. Please don't bother yourself trying to figure it out. I will have to wait until the developer gets back to me. Unless perhaps -- s there something I can do to the environment to make this less likely? Like "nice", or setting some variable? I should say that this problem apparently does not happen on the systems that Guenter tests on, so it is system (possibly kernel-version) dependent |
| 22:14.24 | hrob | Im worried that my linux will automatically pick up the card and send the desktop rendering onto it... causing useless overhead |
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| 22:22.02 | ws2k3 | how can i send screen output to a log file? |
| 22:22.32 | RichiH | if you mean tty: you can't i think. it you mean screen the program, the manpage explains it |
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| 22:47.47 | new[] | anyone know why my glx only supports GLSL 1.20 when mesa 8.0.5 supports GL 3.0 which is GLSL 1.30 ? |
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| 22:56.02 | jparkton | heh you know what I will brb |
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| 23:10.23 | jparkton | how do I check to make sure my git settings are correct? |
| 23:10.34 | jparkton | name + email |
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| 23:15.44 | vook | Is there a way to get gdm to inform users that that their password is going to expire in X number of days? |
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| 23:15.58 | vook | (or X in general) |
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| 23:22.12 | abcd | http://goo.bot.nu/ -==Goo Bot == IRC bot==--Give a try- |
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| 23:41.17 | packetfrog | Is it better to go with Debian sid or a sid based distro like aptosid? |
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| 23:43.22 | AlexLikeRock | Infiltrator, tankyou very much, i go it, just open PORT 80 |
| 23:43.52 | AlexLikeRock | tanks , alot, i fell do dummy , cause i forget that :-( |
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| 23:46.13 | AlexLikeRock | tnks too a markovh for helme yesterday |
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| 23:49.20 | harrison | aptosid has transmogrified to siduction |
| 23:49.28 | harrison | i used sidux |
| 23:49.32 | harrison | then aptosid |
| 23:49.38 | harrison | and now siduction |
| 23:49.55 | harrison | i dist-upgrade with smxi |
| 23:50.12 | harrison | and i am very happy like this |
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| 23:50.21 | harrison | distrowise |
| 23:50.55 | harrison | packetfrog has left so i don't know why i answered its question |
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| 23:52.22 | hays | I am getting this: W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirror.rit.edu_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
| 23:52.31 | hays | is there a fix? |
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