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| 00:01.47 | suppy | question : does gdm package manages only login related process or many other things related to enabling network-manager etc ? |
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| 00:04.20 | petn-randall | roboman2444: I don't think anyone can answer that. If you want purposeful help, it would be a good idea to pastebin those error messages you get. Anything else is like nailing yelly to a wall :) |
| 00:05.09 | petn-randall | suppy: network-manager is a daemon on my system. gdm only spawns your GUI login after you got through the user/password part. |
| 00:05.16 | roboman2444 | petn-randall, its the standard "opengl dont work" error |
| 00:05.57 | roboman2444 | major opcode of failed request 137 |
| 00:06.03 | petn-randall | roboman2444: Oh that one! The one with the "dont work" and also the "opengl" in it, right. Totally got ya. |
| 00:06.17 | roboman2444 | look above ^ |
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| 00:08.46 | suppy | petn-randall: if i disable all of these in a live CD config, welcome login disappears, but also network-manager is disabled and no icon shown on the panel. |
| 00:08.46 | suppy | gdm,gdm3,kdm,lightdm,lxdm,nodm,slim,xinit |
| 00:09.12 | suppy | but i only would like to get rid of the login part, so i should just remove gdm ? |
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| 00:17.48 | suppy | heh it was gdm or gdm3. It asks for admin password |
| 00:18.22 | suppy | if i don't start it , it also does not start network-manager :/ |
| 00:18.23 | Vasistha | is there a way to just copy a debian base system into an empty filesystem? |
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| 00:19.22 | Slugze | like this : debootstrap --arch amd64 wheezy /mnt http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian |
| 00:19.25 | Vasistha | !tell suppy about msg |
| 00:19.56 | Vasistha | Slugze: thanks!! |
| 00:20.17 | Vasistha | Slugze: I guess I need to install debootstrap |
| 00:20.57 | Slugze | if you don't have it on your live system, yes |
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| 00:22.44 | Vasistha | suppy: to answer your question... well ... it's complicated; but I tried asking some other questions, didn't get answers for them, so decided to try this approach to get debian installed in an unusual circumstance. |
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| 00:25.04 | Slugze | what are those unusuals circumstances? |
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| 00:30.05 | Vasistha | Slugze: I'm trying to install a dual-boot wheezy and squeeze system. I installed wheezy first, made an encrypted volume with LVM, and created a partition for squeeze in the same volume group on the encrypted volume. Now I want to install squeeze onto that logical volume, but I'm not sure how to get the installer to do the cryptsetup so the partition is available. |
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| 00:30.58 | suppy | Vasistha: i c ... |
| 00:31.12 | Vasistha | Slugze: so I thought, maybe I can just get a base system set up, boot wheezy, and copy it into the designated partition |
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| 00:33.30 | Slugze | funny setup, so yes, the debootstrap could work , but i 'm not sure about the bootloader |
| 00:34.03 | Vasistha | Slugze: yeah, I'm going to have to work that out, but I've done it before for a similar setup, so I'm sure I'll be able to manage it. The even funnier part is that this is all on a usb stick |
| 00:34.45 | Slugze | slow as hell |
| 00:35.36 | Vasistha | Slugze: well it's important to buy one with faster read/write than the average $10 drive at the office supplier. |
| 00:36.18 | Slugze | really usefull so you can connect to your vpn/others anywhere, but so damn slow, don't forget to install some tools like readahead etc etc |
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| 00:36.58 | suppy | on some liveCDs debian does not start with login prompt, directly starts with root access, how can i do this ? |
| 00:37.06 | Vasistha | the slowness honestly hasn't been such a bad issue, at this point I think USB2 is the limiting factor on speed. |
| 00:37.40 | Vasistha | suppy: how can you do what? Create a livecd? force your system to boot with root access without a password? |
| 00:37.55 | suppy | 2nd one |
| 00:38.00 | Vasistha | suppy: why? |
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| 00:39.25 | suppy | actually i already created a root password, and edited the liveCD, now i don't want it to ask me again. |
| 00:39.37 | suppy | its not exactly root access |
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| 00:40.19 | Slugze | single user mode? |
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| 00:41.24 | Slugze | i knew, once how to do that with xen to force the runlevel on single user, but. on a live cd, no clue, sorry suppy |
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| 00:44.08 | suppy | Slugze: root password is created only once when you start a new installation right ? |
| 00:44.27 | Vasistha | suppy: ...you can change it... |
| 00:44.33 | suppy | on next boot it doesn't ask it again. |
| 00:45.19 | suppy | i want to be in that "next" position, i want gdm to act like root password is already created. i do it with chroot |
| 00:45.55 | Vasistha | alright, I'm off to boot into the encrypted root wheezy and try to get that squeeze base system booted! |
| 00:46.10 | Slugze | good luck; and i'm out to sleep, gn |
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| 01:56.48 | BJfreeman | using Debian on a A13 with a Bootable SD. can I unmount the SD to put a blank on in so I can do dd |
| 01:57.11 | BJfreeman | one in |
| 01:57.20 | abrotman | is it your live filesystem? |
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| 01:57.53 | BJfreeman | the distro is on the SD so I am guessing so |
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| 01:58.29 | abrotman | if it loads the whole thing into RAM, you could, but i'm not sure how yours is setup |
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| 01:59.00 | BJfreeman | I have 512mb or ram |
| 01:59.12 | BJfreeman | and 3 usb hosts |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | is anything important running on it? could you just try it and see if it crashes or works? |
| 01:59.54 | BJfreeman | just the kernel no GUI |
| 02:00.15 | SunRaycer | how can I convince apt that this condition is false? : Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8k-1) but it is not installable |
| 02:00.30 | BJfreeman | just was checking before a attempted it |
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| 02:02.05 | abrotman | SunRaycer: true you mean ? |
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| 02:02.24 | abrotman | !tell SunRaycer about multiple ask |
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| 02:05.50 | SunRaycer | abrotman: it seems to think 0.9.8 >= 0.9.8k-1, which is false. |
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| 02:08.21 | abrotman | SunRaycer: please keep it on one network |
| 02:08.50 | SunRaycer | abrotman: which one is authoritative? |
| 02:09.07 | SunRaycer | prefers oftc |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | just pick one .. i don't care which |
| 02:09.20 | abrotman | it's annoying to follow you around |
| 02:10.01 | SunRaycer | abrotman: sure, understood. I wasn't expecting channels on both networks. see you on oftc. |
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| 02:11.59 | jeet | can't get webcam sampling to work in opencv, but i can open a very slow and delayed webcam stream in other ways |
| 02:12.01 | jeet | any help is greatly appreciated |
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| 02:33.51 | rash805115 | anyone familiar with how to show version number in python IDLE? |
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| 02:34.43 | zwick | rash805115: When you invoke the pyt |
| 02:34.52 | rash805115 | yes... |
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| 02:35.07 | zwick | hon interpreter, it should display a version string. |
| 02:35.27 | zwick | I don't know why that split up into two different lines... |
| 02:35.44 | rash805115 | yes it does....but I also want it on the title bar... |
| 02:36.05 | zwick | Oh, I see. I don't know about that offhand. |
| 02:36.15 | rash805115 | oh...ok.. :) |
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| 03:35.41 | bocaneri | When do you suppose Wheezy will be given "stable" status? |
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| 03:36.09 | rue_house | what replaced bitchx? |
| 03:36.21 | rue_house | what replaced mkisofs? |
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| 03:36.33 | reavengrey | genisoimage prolly |
| 03:36.38 | Bsims | bocaneri: when its done... lol |
| 03:36.54 | bocaneri | Of course, but I was looking for something just a tad more concrete. |
| 03:37.03 | Bsims | I just set my apt sources to Testing or sid depending |
| 03:37.15 | reavengrey | "Soon" (TM) |
| 03:38.08 | zykotick9 | bocaneri: to answer your question correctly, one would need a functional crystal-ball (and i question if one exists). |
| 03:38.19 | rue_house | oh wodim |
| 03:38.42 | rue_house | thanks |
| 03:38.49 | rue_house | what about bitchx what replaced that? |
| 03:39.06 | zykotick9 | rue_house: irssi / weechat are terminal irc clients |
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| 03:39.48 | rue_house | irssi closer to bitchx? |
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| 03:40.06 | zykotick9 | i never used bitchx, so hard for me to say |
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| 03:40.34 | rue_house | I hate having to rebuild a machine, all the package names change and the configs take on new formats |
| 03:40.36 | woshty | rue_house: i switched from bitchx some years ago, cant remember being too annoyed. |
| 03:40.44 | rue_house | k |
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| 03:41.15 | zykotick9 | rue_house: the <irssi> factoid starts "somebody said irssi was the best <IRC> client ever..." |
| 03:41.32 | rue_house | pff |
| 03:41.36 | LtL | rue_house: its been awhile since i used bitchX, but i would say its very similar to irssi. |
| 03:41.37 | rue_house | I liked bitchx :) |
| 03:41.52 | rue_house | well bitchx was pulled from the debian repos |
| 03:42.07 | ectospasm | bitchx isn't even maintained upstream, IIRC |
| 03:42.24 | ectospasm | I prefer weechat |
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| 03:43.00 | zykotick9 | ectospasm: the realtime spellcheck support is the only thing i miss from weechat, after switching back to irssi |
| 03:43.21 | ectospasm | zykotick9: aspell works just fine for me in weechat. |
| 03:43.27 | ectospasm | oh |
| 03:43.29 | ectospasm | I see |
| 03:43.33 | zykotick9 | ectospasm: ;) i agree |
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| 03:44.28 | ectospasm | zykotick9: I learned about weechat after having used irssi for about a month or so (from xchat2)... I decided to give weechat a week to win me over |
| 03:44.46 | ectospasm | I never went back to irssi, and this was at least three years ago. |
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| 03:44.56 | tinkster | ectospasm, what did you mean by bitchx isn't even maintained upstream? |
| 03:45.22 | phix | irssi is the only way to go. |
| 03:45.24 | ectospasm | tinkster: last I looked bitchx's latest update was in like 2002 |
| 03:45.26 | phix | imo |
| 03:45.46 | ectospasm | or something like that. |
| 03:45.47 | tinkster | http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitchx/ Last Update: 2013-03-01 |
| 03:45.50 | tinkster | shrugs |
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| 03:45.59 | ectospasm | heh, I am proven wrong a lot. |
| 03:46.02 | phix | ectospasm: irssi > bitchx |
| 03:46.23 | ectospasm | tinkster: but when I searched for bitchx last time, the sf page did not show |
| 03:46.41 | tinkster | :} |
| 03:46.42 | phix | that's also an example of a tautology |
| 03:47.17 | ectospasm | how so? redundancy? or logical tautology? |
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| 03:47.51 | kay- | but can you write irssi scripts in scala |
| 03:48.28 | suppy | hii need help with an external repository but i don't really understand what the site says at : https://tails.boum.org/todo/add_virtualbox_host_software/ |
| 03:48.49 | suppy | can someone help me how i should change the sources.list according to this site ? |
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| 03:55.03 | ectospasm | suppy: you should probably ask in a Tails forum, not here |
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| 03:56.26 | suppy | its repository related |
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| 03:59.17 | qdb | hello. suspend do not work. debian squeeze gnome. pm-suspend also do not work. nothing in messages, syslog, dmesg. /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend && echo $? : no answer, i do not see 0. upower -d | grep 'can-' : yes and yes. http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend : ... Debian Squeeze (6.0) TBD Debian Lenny (5.0) ... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_announced , http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TBD ). bash -xv /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend > /tmp/output.fil |
| 03:59.18 | qdb | e 2>&1 : http://paste.debian.net/248182/ . |
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| 04:00.14 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell suppy -about based on debian |
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| 04:02.50 | suppy | ok |
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| 04:11.11 | owen1 | is the new way to add init script is insserv? http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 04:11.38 | owen1 | if that's the case, can someone link to a sample script? |
| 04:12.22 | ectospasm | I still use update-rc.d... |
| 04:14.59 | Towzzer | chkconfig D |
| 04:15.25 | zykotick9 | rcconf |
| 04:17.23 | owen1 | ectospasm: when i run update-rc.d <my-script> defaults i get: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 06:26.50 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: By login do you mean when you enter your password into gdm/kdm and hit login? |
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| 06:30.19 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: No, ssh login. |
| 06:30.48 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: It has no graphical UI (or capabilities, for all that matters). |
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| 06:30.50 | histo | Can anyone explain why the install cd doesn't have 32bit efi support like this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/efi-development/upload4/ |
| 06:31.03 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Try doing -vvv to see what it is doing that takes a while. |
| 06:31.32 | apm1 | histo, because there aren't much 32bit efi hardware out there |
| 06:32.04 | histo | apm1: it's becoming more popular now with tablets |
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| 06:32.14 | apm1 | histo, even the efi maintainer of debian steve macintyre admits that he hasn't got access to 32 bit efi hardware |
| 06:32.19 | histo | apm1: atom based tablets I should say |
| 06:32.46 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: The bulk of the delay is after MOTD is shown and no debug messages via ssh are available. |
| 06:32.54 | histo | apm1: dell latitude 10, acer w510 devices both 32bit efi not to mention any others that use that SOC |
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| 06:33.06 | histo | apm1: netbooks, old macs, etc... |
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| 06:33.15 | apm1 | histo, iirc they didn't exist a few months ago ? |
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| 06:33.27 | histo | I guess the people using them aren't being as loud. |
| 06:33.40 | apm1 | histo, no they aren't being as generous |
| 06:33.46 | histo | Not a single linux distro I can find has 32bit efi install media |
| 06:34.02 | histo | apm1: true |
| 06:34.03 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: What have you got in your .profile and .bashrc etc scripts? |
| 06:34.05 | apm1 | donate some 32bit efi hardware and time to debian |
| 06:34.13 | apm1 | and it'll have support |
| 06:34.29 | histo | apm1: well I plan on testing on my hardware. I will contact him if it works. But it will take years now to get into the next release of debian. |
| 06:34.44 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: Haven't touched those. So anything that comes by default. |
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| 06:35.40 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: well, barring a few aliases now that I think of it, but I think it was the same before adding them |
| 06:36.05 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Yeah, aliases shouldn't make a difference. |
| 06:36.16 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Have a look at this, though: http://askubuntu.com/questions/11538/long-wait-time-on-login |
| 06:37.36 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: I have no /etc/update-motd.d directory on my system |
| 06:39.16 | cousin_luigi | Can I safely comment out lines in /etc/pam.d/sshd ? |
| 06:39.33 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: They only refer to motd, so it's not going to break anything. |
| 06:39.46 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: At least comment them out and test to see how the login time goes. |
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| 06:47.40 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: I commented out the line with pam_motd.so: MOTD disappeared, delay is still there |
| 06:48.00 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: And which shell are you using? |
| 06:48.10 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: bash |
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| 06:48.54 | cousin_luigi | I should make clear that it is a very slow embedded machine |
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| 06:51.21 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: How long does it take to fire up another bash once you've logged in? |
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| 06:52.04 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: You mean launching it from the console I just logged in? |
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| 06:53.19 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Yup. |
| 06:53.22 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: Probably around half a second. |
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| 06:56.35 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: Where can I find the exact sequence of scripts run during login? |
| 06:57.01 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: I was thinking of adding echo statements here and there |
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| 06:59.29 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: I'm sorry; I don't know too much about that. Try hanging around here and see if anybody else can answer. |
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| 07:01.17 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Try this actually: create a new fresh user and see if there's any difference there. That will at least tell you if it's user config or system. |
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| 07:03.03 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: Perhaps I should have specified that I was logging in as root. |
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| 07:03.27 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: but yes, it's a test I will do now |
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| 07:06.14 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: Interesting, with a normal user it takes just 3 seconds. |
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| 07:07.48 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Well, in general you shouldn't be loggin in as root anyway, so maybe this is the system's way of telling you so? :P |
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| 07:08.17 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: But yeah, hang around and ask the channel about the slow login. |
| 07:08.33 | SuinDraw | Why shouldn't you be logging in as root? |
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| 07:09.03 | Infiltrator | SuinDraw: Do you need to be logged in as root? |
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| 07:09.14 | SuinDraw | Sometimes yes |
| 07:09.32 | Infiltrator | SuinDraw: Then when you need to be so, do so; otherwise there is no need to. :) |
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| 07:09.52 | Infiltrator | !tell SuinDraw -about root |
| 07:09.53 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: It's a router, I log in only to alter its configuration, so I need to be root |
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| 07:10.18 | SuinDraw | And sudo is less powerful? |
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| 07:10.24 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Fair enough. |
| 07:10.35 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: Sudo is not installed |
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| 07:10.49 | SuinDraw | Not talking to you |
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| 07:11.02 | Infiltrator | cousin_luigi: Is su installed? I wonder if that also takes ~10s? |
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| 07:11.17 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: yes, su is installed |
| 07:11.22 | SuinDraw | Shell you are using? |
| 07:11.27 | cousin_luigi | bash |
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| 07:12.09 | SuinDraw | Check ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
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| 07:12.40 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: Both default. |
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| 07:14.06 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: wait, I wasn't using bash on the newly created user |
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| 07:14.18 | cousin_luigi | Infiltrator: it's as much slow if I use that |
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| 07:15.03 | cousin_luigi | ok, let's rephrase the question: bash is incredibly slow on my system: what to do? |
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| 07:15.11 | SuinDraw | What about the bash stuff in /etc |
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| 07:15.57 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: As I said above it's default, barring a few aliases |
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| 07:17.08 | SuinDraw | Run htop and put it into tree mode,and see whsat is spawned from your shell |
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| 07:17.42 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: I wish I knew what all that is. |
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| 07:18.04 | SuinDraw | aptitude install htop && htop |
| 07:18.08 | SuinDraw | Then press F5 |
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| 07:21.00 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: ok, what about it? |
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| 07:21.20 | SuinDraw | Is anything spawned from your shell? |
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| 07:21.47 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: just htop itself |
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| 07:21.57 | SuinDraw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:22.13 | SuinDraw | Check your PAM settings? |
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| 07:22.45 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: I barely know what it is. |
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| 07:22.55 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: Which means I haven't touched them. |
| 07:23.05 | SuinDraw | Don't know then |
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| 07:23.18 | SuinDraw | Kernel? |
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| 07:23.31 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: well, I admit that's custom |
| 07:23.50 | SuinDraw | Version |
| 07:24.05 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: 3.2.17 |
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| 07:24.30 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: perhaps I could run htop while logging in again and see what happens? |
| 07:24.32 | brontosaurusrex | sweet, short ssh file sharing guide? |
| 07:24.58 | SuinDraw | cousin_luigi: Maybe run it elsewhere while you create a bash session |
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| 07:25.23 | x10 | perhaps sshd times out while trying to resolve the host you're connecting from? |
| 07:26.03 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: bash spawns bash that spawns bash, meanwhile CPU goes 100% |
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| 07:26.17 | cousin_luigi | x10: unlikely |
| 07:26.22 | SuinDraw | Aha. |
| 07:26.41 | SuinDraw | A startup forkbomb? |
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| 07:26.59 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: If it is, it's unintentional, I fear. |
| 07:27.05 | SuinDraw | Maybe it lives in /etc/profile |
| 07:27.06 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: My CPU is actually that slow:) |
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| 07:28.15 | cousin_luigi | SuinDraw: I can't see anything special about it:/ Perhaps it's time to replace my wrapboard. |
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| 07:29.51 | SuinDraw | Well I can't think of anything else |
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| 07:39.00 | cousin_luigi | What's the most lightweight shell among tcsh/zsh/ksh and which does match bash functionalities better? |
| 07:39.23 | ParkerR | I've only heard of zsh |
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| 07:39.30 | ParkerR | Personally I stick with bash |
| 07:39.34 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: why do you care? |
| 07:39.52 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: Because bash is very slow on my system. |
| 07:39.57 | nevyn | ksh has features that bash doesn't like multidimensional arrays |
| 07:40.18 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: what arch/system? |
| 07:40.19 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: is there anything better than sh but not as heavy as bash? |
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| 07:40.38 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: slow how? |
| 07:40.49 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: x86/geode 233 |
| 07:40.53 | ParkerR | I've never seen bash be slow |
| 07:41.03 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: install dash (which will make the system stuff faster. |
| 07:41.14 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: it takes up to 20 seconds for the prompt to appear after login |
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| 07:41.21 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: I'd keep bash as a system shell if at all possible. |
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| 07:41.36 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: how are you travelling for memory usage? |
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| 07:41.52 | nevyn | it sounds like you're swapping if it's that slow. |
| 07:42.07 | truexfan81 | what kind of system could possibly be that slow? i have a 400MHz p2 machine as my server and it doesn't even take 20 seconds to get to a prompt after login |
| 07:42.15 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: no swapfile |
| 07:42.18 | cousin_luigi | nor partition |
| 07:42.22 | SuinDraw | Apparently it's a router |
| 07:42.49 | cousin_luigi | truexfan81: root is also on a cf card |
| 07:42.59 | nevyn | truexfan81: this is half that speed or slightly worse. (a geode is about equiv clock for clock with a pentium mmx or an original pentium |
| 07:43.06 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: what class of flash? |
| 07:43.19 | truexfan81 | nevyn: ah ok that makes sense then |
| 07:43.42 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: how slow is running bash a second time? |
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| 07:43.59 | nevyn | so from that bash prompt if you type bash and hit enter how long till you get a prompt? |
| 07:44.27 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: almost immediate, not sure about the flash type, trying hdparm now |
| 07:44.46 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: then it's not the fork that's the problem it's loading stuff into memory. |
| 07:44.48 | truexfan81 | i plan to at some point in the near future backup my configs and files, and format the thing and put wheezy net-install on it, i'm sure it will run much faster than what is on it now |
| 07:45.01 | nevyn | truexfan81: I wouldn't be... |
| 07:45.08 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: hdparm -t shows 7.37 MB/s |
| 07:45.22 | truexfan81 | nevyn: right now it as slowbuntu, of course debian will be faster lol |
| 07:45.23 | cdown | Hi, I'm trying to remove a package that is a dependency of others, and install a replacement package in a single command. Is this possible using apt-get? |
| 07:45.33 | truexfan81 | s/as/has/ |
| 07:45.44 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: how long from boot to login prompt? |
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| 07:46.04 | nevyn | cdown: just request installation of the replacement |
| 07:46.11 | truexfan81 | ^ |
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| 07:46.18 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: I only login to it via ssh, I would have to connect a serial cable to the console for more details |
| 07:46.24 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: would that be useful? |
| 07:46.35 | nevyn | oh you're logging in via ssh and it takes 20 seconds.. |
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| 07:46.39 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: yes |
| 07:46.47 | nevyn | add your client system to /etc/hosts |
| 07:46.59 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: I don't think it's much better from the serial port though |
| 07:47.03 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: why would I do that? |
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| 07:47.16 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: there's a PTR for my client |
| 07:47.24 | truexfan81 | cousin_luigi: that actually makes sense, my server takes about 10seconds to get a login prompt from ssh, so if yours is half the speed...it makes sense |
| 07:47.27 | nevyn | and the router can resolve it? |
| 07:47.38 | nevyn | it'll be the crypto that it hates then |
| 07:47.45 | nevyn | and that's not shocking. |
| 07:48.01 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: irrelevant, the delay occurs after the MOTD |
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| 07:48.25 | cousin_luigi | and this geode has some kind of hardware AES feature anyway |
| 07:48.45 | nevyn | yeah what's the bet that debian's sshd can use that? |
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| 07:49.25 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: I admit I'm not sure about it, but like I said the negotiation takes a fraction of the time |
| 07:49.47 | nevyn | can you test a local login? |
| 07:49.49 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: and changing shell to /bin/sh makes the prompt appear after just 3 secs |
| 07:49.56 | nevyn | hrm ok. |
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| 07:50.08 | nevyn | see that smells like loading time. |
| 07:50.16 | nevyn | if you set the shell to /bin/sh |
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| 07:50.25 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: I would have to install a rs-232 interface on my client for a local login |
| 07:50.27 | cdown | nevyn: That doesn't appear to remove it, but it works. Thanks :-) |
| 07:50.30 | nevyn | and then run time bash -c "echo" inbash" |
| 07:50.31 | cdown | At least it resolves deps. |
| 07:50.42 | nevyn | bleh |
| 07:50.50 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: but quoted correctly... |
| 07:50.53 | nevyn | ie: |
| 07:51.16 | nevyn | /bin/bash -c "echo \"in bash\" " |
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| 07:51.26 | nevyn | with time at thefront |
| 07:52.14 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/Mmt5wFFw |
| 07:52.58 | nevyn | did you set your shell to /bin/sh and relogin? |
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| 07:53.13 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: before running that? no |
| 07:53.26 | nevyn | please do ;) |
| 07:53.43 | nevyn | so that's the cost of fork() basically.. |
| 07:54.10 | nevyn | compare with time echo "in bash" |
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| 07:54.32 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: time doesn't work from sh... |
| 07:54.42 | cousin_luigi | anyway it's almost immediate |
| 07:54.43 | nevyn | /bin/time ? |
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| 07:55.00 | nevyn | that's wierd. |
| 07:55.08 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: not found |
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| 07:55.10 | nevyn | are logins still 20 seconds? |
| 07:55.18 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: not with sh |
| 07:55.59 | nevyn | are they still 20 seconds with bash after the first one? |
| 07:56.11 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: you mean from another terminal? |
| 07:56.13 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: yes |
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| 07:56.37 | nevyn | how long does su - <loginid> take to run? |
| 07:56.45 | nevyn | maybe it's the bash_login processing? |
| 07:57.04 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: any preferred default shell? |
| 07:57.13 | nevyn | with bash please |
| 07:57.18 | cousin_luigi | ok |
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| 07:57.42 | nevyn | I start to wonder if it's processing bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 07:57.48 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: 18 seconds |
| 07:57.55 | nevyn | yeah... |
| 07:58.00 | nevyn | ok there's our 20 seconds |
| 07:58.37 | nevyn | so bash is fast. |
| 07:58.48 | cousin_luigi | what is it thenP |
| 07:58.51 | cousin_luigi | ? |
| 07:58.52 | nevyn | it's the bash startup files that are slow |
| 07:59.13 | nevyn | so /etc/profile /etc/bashrc ~/.bash_profile ~/.bashrc |
| 07:59.27 | nevyn | put exit 0 at the top of those ^^ and test again. |
| 07:59.44 | cousin_luigi | ok |
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| 08:00.37 | jelly | of course, an exit will make the shell... well, exit, just as soon as one logs on |
| 08:00.49 | nevyn | crap.. umm return? |
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| 08:01.23 | nevyn | jelly: how do you jump over all that stuff sanely? mv it? |
| 08:01.56 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: poke |
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| 08:02.12 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: should I rename those scripts then? |
| 08:02.16 | nevyn | keep a logon shell around somewhere when taking advice on irc.. ;) |
| 08:02.30 | jelly | nevyn: hm, no idea actually |
| 08:02.51 | nevyn | jelly: end: and goto end :) |
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| 08:03.34 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: can't I just mv them instead of butchering them? |
| 08:03.50 | nevyn | sure. |
| 08:04.18 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: then move them back one at a time find which one is the problems and then drill into that. |
| 08:04.38 | truexfan81 | i would hate not having a .bashrc file |
| 08:05.00 | truexfan81 | mine has my aliases that keep my from having to type things like sudo apt-get |
| 08:05.01 | nevyn | truexfan81: this is finding where 18 seconds is going and if it's worth it. |
| 08:05.02 | truexfan81 | lol |
| 08:05.16 | truexfan81 | yeah i get that, i'm just sayin |
| 08:05.18 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: things are ideal without /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc. Now, which one invokes the other? |
| 08:05.54 | nevyn | so the homedir ones don't exist/hurt? |
| 08:06.00 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: exactly |
| 08:06.03 | cousin_luigi | the latter |
| 08:06.33 | nevyn | so put profile back and try? |
| 08:06.50 | cousin_luigi | I tried bash.bashrc and things are still copacetic |
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| 08:06.59 | nevyn | hrm |
| 08:07.00 | cousin_luigi | but perhaps it's invoked by profile? |
| 08:07.07 | nevyn | what's profile doing that's aweful? |
| 08:07.15 | truexfan81 | nevyn: have you tried making aliases like that? its not nice just typing install packagename :) |
| 08:07.16 | nevyn | do you have bash-completions installed? |
| 08:07.21 | truexfan81 | err |
| 08:07.26 | truexfan81 | its nice* |
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| 08:07.57 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: is that a package? |
| 08:07.59 | nevyn | truexfan81: I have epic shell functions to do things like verify horrible proprietary storage replicaiton functionality. |
| 08:08.02 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: yes. |
| 08:08.07 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: yes, it is |
| 08:08.20 | nevyn | I think I see the problem... |
| 08:08.30 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: ok, profile is what slows down everything, perhaps I should also move profile.d ? |
| 08:08.54 | nevyn | no in profile.d there will be a entry for bash_completions.. |
| 08:09.01 | nevyn | mv it to /tmp and test |
| 08:09.18 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: ok |
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| 08:09.58 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: ok, seems like that's the culprit |
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| 08:10.11 | nevyn | isn't shocked. |
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| 08:10.24 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: why is that? |
| 08:10.27 | truexfan81_ | sighs |
| 08:10.31 | nevyn | completions is 10's of thousands of lines of shell code. |
| 08:10.42 | truexfan81_ | for some reason my cable modem just rebooted |
| 08:10.45 | nevyn | it's cheap on a i5 (few 10ths of a second) |
| 08:10.46 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: oh |
| 08:11.04 | nevyn | cd /etc/bash_completions.d? |
| 08:11.05 | nevyn | wc -l |
| 08:11.18 | truexfan81_ | can one of you catch me up on what i missed? |
| 08:11.35 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: 16375 total |
| 08:11.42 | truexfan81_ | last thing i saw was: |
| 08:11.44 | truexfan81_ | [03:08:31] <cousin_luigi> nevyn: ok, profile is what slows down everything, perhaps I should also move profile.d ? |
| 08:12.07 | cousin_luigi | truexfan81_: bash_completion.sh is what bogs down everything |
| 08:12.21 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: ok, seems like I'll have to renounce to that |
| 08:12.27 | truexfan81_ | i'd mv that or remove it |
| 08:13.00 | cousin_luigi | I suppose there is no avoiding it, isn't it? |
| 08:13.24 | nevyn | truexfan81: so 16thousand lines of shell was taking 18 seconds to run on your 15yo pc equivilent. |
| 08:13.45 | truexfan81 | err |
| 08:13.49 | truexfan81 | his you mean? |
| 08:13.53 | nevyn | yeah his. |
| 08:14.04 | cousin_luigi | not shocking, after all |
| 08:15.18 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: well, many thanks for your patience |
| 08:15.22 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: so if you were to remove the package bash-completion that would eliminate the more egrarious examples |
| 08:15.33 | nevyn | and re-enable the package specific shell extensions. |
| 08:15.40 | cousin_luigi | egrarious? |
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| 08:15.56 | truexfan81 | any downsides to removing that package? |
| 08:15.59 | nevyn | badly behaved... |
| 08:16.34 | nevyn | truexfan81: well it is functionality. it includes stuff for tab completion in dpkg/apt etc |
| 08:16.42 | truexfan81 | ^ |
| 08:16.48 | nevyn | so apt-get install bash-comp<tab> |
| 08:16.50 | truexfan81 | i would be miserable without that |
| 08:16.56 | SuinDraw | aptitude* |
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| 08:17.14 | nevyn | truexfan81: but I suspect cousin_luigi would rather have router logins in 3 seconds |
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| 08:17.31 | truexfan81 | TheEyes: i still prefer apt-get |
| 08:17.37 | truexfan81 | nevyn: true |
| 08:17.43 | TheEyes | I hate apt-get |
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| 08:18.13 | truexfan81 | i use aptitude for searching for packages, and apt-get for installing/removing them |
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| 08:18.32 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: is it a neologism? Webster and OED don't list it. |
| 08:18.38 | nevyn | aptitude has way better reccomends handling and dependancy resolution.. |
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| 08:18.47 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: mispelling more likely. |
| 08:18.49 | truexfan81 | really? |
| 08:19.03 | cousin_luigi | anyway it's perfect now |
| 08:19.06 | cousin_luigi | thank you very much |
| 08:19.07 | truexfan81 | i may have to teach myself how to use it then lol |
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| 08:19.43 | truexfan81 | nevyn: does aptitude have an equivalent of apt-get build-dep ? |
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| 08:20.31 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/egregious |
| 08:20.41 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: ok, I know that one |
| 08:21.06 | truexfan81 | i wonder what urban dictionary would say about that word |
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| 08:21.10 | cousin_luigi | but you encounter newly-minted words every day and a linguistics buff like me is always interested:) |
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| 08:21.42 | truexfan81 | Adjective, meaning conspicuously and outrageously [bad] |
| 08:21.50 | truexfan81 | from urban dictionary ^ |
| 08:21.55 | nevyn | cousin_luigi: that said.. google get's 4000 hits for egrarious |
| 08:22.27 | truexfan81 | nevyn: you never responded to my aptitude question |
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| 08:23.29 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: but it doesn't sound like how it's pronounced... |
| 08:23.38 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: how egregious is, I mean |
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| 08:24.05 | cousin_luigi | nevyn: perhaps a corruption of gregarious instead? |
| 08:24.14 | qdb | hello. suspend do not work. debian squeeze gnome. pm-suspend also do not work. nothing in messages, syslog, dmesg. /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend && echo $? : no answer, i do not see 0. upower -d | grep 'can-' : yes and yes. http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend : ... Debian Squeeze (6.0) TBD Debian Lenny (5.0) ... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_announced , http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TBD ). bash -xv /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend > /tmp/output.fil |
| 08:24.14 | qdb | e 2>&1 : http://paste.debian.net/248182/ . |
| 08:25.09 | EmleyMoor | qdb: |
| 08:25.21 | EmleyMoor | qdb: What hardware is that on? |
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| 08:26.17 | qdb | EmleyMoor, asus a7n8x-x athlon xp 1700+ |
| 08:26.26 | nevyn | truexfan81: because the manpage can :) or aptitude -h|grep build |
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| 08:28.44 | BadCodSmell | I never ever ever ever ever never ever never ever never want the screen to turn off/go into power saving. |
| 08:28.54 | BadCodSmell | How do I make this fantasy of mine a reality? |
| 08:29.04 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 08:29.41 | BadCodSmell | It does this while in an x session, touching makes it come back |
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| 08:31.33 | nevyn | BadCodSmell: xset dpms off or something.. |
| 08:31.40 | Iridos | BadCodSmell, 1) find out what switches it off 2) deactivate it. "xset -dpms" is probably a good start, ps aux |grep sa[v]er another |
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| 08:32.07 | Iridos | except if it's xlock... but who uses that these days anyway |
| 08:32.14 | EmleyMoor | BadCodSmell: In "System Settings" (which is on the System Tools menu on my wheezy system), under "Brightness and Lock", Turn screen off when inactive for... |
| 08:32.31 | EmleyMoor | Ah, no, that's no good - max 1 hour |
| 08:32.32 | nevyn | BadCodSmell: nevyn@bovine:/etc/bash_completion.d$ aptitude -h|grep build build-dep - Install the build-dependencies of packages. |
| 08:32.35 | nevyn | bah. |
| 08:32.42 | nevyn | xset -dpms; xset s off |
| 08:32.56 | Iridos | EmleyMoor, he failed to say what DE he uses... |
| 08:33.03 | nevyn | why does it matter? |
| 08:33.24 | EmleyMoor | Iridos: Indeed he did - but as I found, my answer was no good anyway |
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| 08:33.30 | Iridos | it does matter if you try to refer to some config-menu of a certain DE :) |
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| 08:34.09 | nevyn | which is pointless. because it'll be different in the next minor version |
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| 08:34.47 | Iridos | well, this is #debian. There's squeeze and what it has got and wheezy and what it has got |
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| 08:35.02 | BadCodSmell | xset might do it :) |
| 08:35.05 | BadCodSmell | I will try |
| 08:35.18 | BadCodSmell | the problem is I have to wait 2-3 days |
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| 08:35.44 | BadCodSmell | person doing it before had the brilliant idea that the solution was to just put the highest value in somewhere and I have no idea where they did that |
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| 08:36.36 | nevyn | BadCodSmell: you need to find that and make it the smallest value possible |
| 08:36.48 | nevyn | that way you know quickly that you've successfully turned it off. |
| 08:37.03 | BadCodSmell | exactly |
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| 08:37.13 | BadCodSmell | I worry about more than one mechanism being in play :) |
| 08:37.23 | nevyn | sure. |
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| 08:37.57 | nevyn | so start with the desktop settings dance of pointless clicky pointing. |
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| 08:39.42 | BadCodSmell | ugh now is the difficulty of trying to get it to reach the display |
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| 08:40.23 | BadCodSmell | is is 0 is it :0 is it :0:0 and what is the XAUTHORITY do I need to steal it from ~, var somewhere, etc, the horror |
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| 08:41.09 | nevyn | you're ssh'd in? |
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| 08:41.20 | BadCodSmell | Yes |
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| 08:41.31 | nevyn | ah good luck with that. |
| 08:41.37 | BadCodSmell | I've done this before with X its just a butt pain |
| 08:41.40 | nevyn | /tmp/.Xauthority I think |
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| 08:44.49 | seriously_random | how to convert "make install -C build/gmake/" to checkinstall? |
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| 08:48.49 | jeet | i have a webcam that i can open in debian with camorama but cannot open with opencv |
| 08:48.51 | jeet | i get an error, any ideas? |
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| 08:53.10 | Mohsen_Hassani | How can I get/download the whole packages (repo) of Debian wheezy and sid to my computer? |
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| 08:53.27 | nevyn | Mohsen_Hassani: why? |
| 08:54.06 | Mohsen_Hassani | nevyn, Because I want to keep the copy on an external hard so that I can use it wherever I have no Internet access. |
| 08:54.26 | nevyn | you'd need an array. |
| 08:55.41 | SuinDraw | My arch linux package dir is only around ~117GB, you'd be abble to store a lot of debs on a hard drive |
| 08:55.45 | nevyn | huh maybe not... |
| 08:55.45 | jiohdi | Mohsen_Hassani, packages.debian.org |
| 08:55.47 | nevyn | http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 08:55.57 | nevyn | it's only 700GB |
| 08:56.25 | BadCodSmell | XAUTHORITY=/var/run/gdm3/auth-for-user-AAAAAA/database DISPLAY=:0.0 xset s off |
| 08:56.33 | BadCodSmell | No error message but the screen is still blank |
| 08:56.49 | Spockz | Is it known when Wheezy will become stable? |
| 08:57.11 | jiohdi | Spockz, they still have some critical bugs to kill |
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| 08:57.42 | jiohdi | Spockz, but I have been using it for a couple of weeks, no issues |
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| 08:58.18 | Spockz | jiohdi: okay, I'm asking because we have some lenny machines out there that need love, but I'd rather upgrade them to Wheezy directly |
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| 08:59.10 | jiohdi | Spockz, that sounds dangerous |
| 08:59.34 | Spockz | jiohdi; the upgrade part or the lenny part? |
| 08:59.41 | jiohdi | the upgrade directly |
| 08:59.41 | nevyn | Mohsen_Hassani: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror but you almost certainly don't want to do this. |
| 09:00.23 | Spockz | jiohdi: I meant that I want to replace them with a Wheezy install instead of now having to install Squeeze and then move to Wheezy |
| 09:00.33 | jiohdi | ah, I see |
| 09:01.05 | jiohdi | I thought you meant a dist-upgrade |
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| 09:05.43 | peterrooney | Spockz: and what is blocking you from first upgrading to squeeze, then upgrading to wheezy? |
| 09:06.17 | Spockz | peterrooney: that I have to spent two separate moments to do it :) |
| 09:06.29 | Spockz | peterrooney: and that I'm pressed with other issues atm |
| 09:06.35 | Spockz | peterrooney: bad excuse I know, but still |
| 09:06.50 | peterrooney | at least you recognize it as an excuse and not a reason |
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| 09:13.55 | ectospasm | owen1: that's a warning, not an error. Check /etc/rc?.d to see if your script's links are there. |
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| 09:17.37 | jeet | GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_caps_unref: assertion `caps != NULL' failed |
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| 09:17.50 | jeet | any ideas? |
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| 09:24.14 | BadCodSmell | How can I control apm through the command line? |
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| 09:26.39 | BadCodSmell | Or rather, my screen is blank, i want to unblank it from the command line |
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| 09:27.15 | ectospasm | BadCodSmell: how is it blanked? |
| 09:27.26 | ectospasm | I mean, what process blanked the screen? |
| 09:27.34 | jeet | GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_caps_unref: assertion `caps != NULL' failed |
| 09:27.35 | jeet | any ideas? |
| 09:27.49 | jeet | trying to open webcam with opencv |
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| 09:28.36 | BadCodSmell | ectospasm: I have no idea, I suspect apm, there's no gnome-screensaver-command, i think the screensaver is uninstalled |
| 09:29.07 | ectospasm | apm hasn't been in use for some time iirc |
| 09:29.16 | BadCodSmell | no apm in proc |
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| 09:30.36 | jimcooncat | Chrome failed me so I'm using epiphany and iceweasel. I want to update gnash to squeeze-backports, but can't get the installation right through synaptic. It keeps reverting to installing the package from squeeze, after I use the Force Version option on it. Perhaps I should use aptitude instead? |
| 09:31.33 | reavengrey | firefox nightly... |
| 09:32.11 | roshanavand | Hello, my debian freezes sometime, nothing works but my mouse. I'm using gnome-fallback on wheezy. any idea? |
| 09:32.34 | jimcooncat | reavengrey: was that a cryptic answer to my question? if so, I'll research it. |
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| 09:33.21 | jiohdi | roshanavand, you can use ctl-alt-f1 to enter terminal session, then top to see what if anything is locking up and end it |
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| 09:33.29 | mrtnt | What does the "up" word mean in /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 09:33.37 | jiohdi | then back w/ctl-alt-f7 or f8 |
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| 09:34.39 | b0lt | mrtnt: the opposite of "down" |
| 09:34.51 | b0lt | mrtnt: "online", "connected" |
| 09:35.19 | roshanavand | jiohdi: nothing works but mouse! this means my keyboard doesn't work also. :) |
| 09:35.41 | roshanavand | there is no log also. |
| 09:35.51 | jiohdi | roshanavand, its unusual that keyboard freezes completely |
| 09:36.05 | mrtnt | b0lt: I mean for example "up /usr/local/etc/arrakis.fw" line in /etc/network/interfaces file. Does this execute the /usr/local/etc/arrakis.fw script? |
| 09:36.26 | roshanavand | jiohdi: yes, this happens many times. It could be a problem from X |
| 09:37.04 | b0lt | mrtnt: yes, when the network goes up |
| 09:37.19 | jiohdi | roshanavand, even when it sometimes appears frozen, some key commands still work |
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| 09:38.00 | roshanavand | jiohdi: nothing worked. unfortunately there is no log also. so I can't troubleshoot :( |
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| 09:38.02 | jimcooncat | roshanavand: or a hardware problem, unless it's working when you first boot up, like navigating grub or the bios menus |
| 09:38.22 | roshanavand | no X log no syslog and I don't know where to look up |
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| 09:39.00 | b0lt | mrtnt: it's described quite well in interfaces(5) |
| 09:39.19 | roshanavand | jimcooncat: I have a toshiba now, this happened on my thinkpad also |
| 09:40.03 | roshanavand | jimcooncat: I can't say it's a hardware problem, I used to different laptops |
| 09:40.18 | roshanavand | I guess it's X problem |
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| 09:41.23 | mrtnt | b0lt: I read this and as I understood, commands(or script) is executed at the time when interface comes up? |
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| 09:43.54 | ectospasm | I'm using reprepro to maintain a partial mirror for Debian (Sid and Wheezy), and I get the following in my apache2/error.log: http://paste.debian.net/248206/ |
| 09:44.10 | ectospasm | it wouldn't normally bother me, but logwatch complains about it every day. |
| 09:44.47 | Zeeflo | just tell logwatch to stfu and go make you a bacon sandwich!! |
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| 09:45.25 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: not an option |
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| 09:45.34 | ectospasm | besides, I'm not hungry |
| 09:45.54 | Zeeflo | HAhahaah |
| 09:45.57 | b0lt | mrtnt: that's the general idea |
| 09:46.00 | Zeeflo | Sandwitch just quit! |
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| 09:47.19 | roshanavand | I've found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23703946 |
| 09:47.47 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Does anyone know any "Bootable USB creator" exept unetbootin? |
| 09:48.14 | ectospasm | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: isohybrid and dd? |
| 09:48.16 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: For Debian? |
| 09:48.22 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Yes |
| 09:48.28 | babilen | dd is really not needed, cp and cat are better |
| 09:48.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ectospasm, Always wanted to know how to do it with dd |
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| 09:48.49 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: You can write Debian images directly to the USB. unetbootin is not working for Debian images. |
| 09:48.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell LoCoZeNoz_ZUE -about usb install wheezy |
| 09:48.59 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i need knoppix..... |
| 09:49.05 | babilen | Why? |
| 09:49.07 | Zeeflo | i usually just dd to the usb.. |
| 09:49.10 | Zeeflo | works perfectly |
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| 09:49.24 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Zeeflo, Can you please give the example command? |
| 09:49.28 | ectospasm | dd is better than cp and cat if you need an offset |
| 09:49.34 | babilen | Zeeflo: It works, but has awkward syntax and is slower than cp/cat (due to it not scaling its blocksize) |
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| 09:49.39 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Becouse i always wanted to use dd, but never was familiar with it |
| 09:50.05 | ectospasm | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: simplest usage: dd if=input.file of=output.file |
| 09:50.10 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Are you using Linux right now or are you on Windows? (Or something else) |
| 09:50.10 | ectospasm | see the dd manpage for options |
| 09:50.13 | jeet | Time out waiting for frame! Segmentation fault |
| 09:50.16 | jeet | any ideas? |
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| 09:50.17 | mrtnt | b0lt: ok, thanks! However, maybe it's even better to use "pre-up" instead of "up"? At least Ubuntu documentation suggests this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo I think the idea is to apply firewall rules before the interface is even up.. |
| 09:50.24 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | babilen, I am on wheezy |
| 09:50.34 | ectospasm | jeet: need more input |
| 09:50.42 | jeet | i did fswebcam |
| 09:50.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ectospasm, And how to write a bootable iso to usb? |
| 09:50.49 | jeet | v4l2 |
| 09:51.00 | emlow | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 09:51.04 | jeet | no input was specified, using the first |
| 09:51.09 | Zeeflo | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE, mount the usb, and then use command: dd if=wheezy.iso of=/dev/USB bs=4M; sync |
| 09:51.12 | babilen | But seriously: The recommend and fastest way is: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" -- with /dev/sdX being the block device of the usb stick (check "dmesg|tail -n23" after pluggin it in) |
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| 09:51.20 | jeet | adjusting resolution |
| 09:51.38 | jeet | then time out |
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| 09:51.56 | babilen | Come on guys, this is discussed /at length/ in the installation guide and there are good reasons for the actual command. |
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| 09:52.03 | babilen | dpkg: usb install wheezy |
| 09:52.04 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install wheezy> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Ask me about <plop>. |
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| 09:52.48 | Zeeflo | babilen, the actual recommended command is: dd if=<fil> of=<enhed> bs=4M; sync as explained here: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 09:52.49 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: So, you are using wheezy right now and you want to install wheezy from USB somewhere else? |
| 09:52.55 | ectospasm | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: if the ISO is not prepared with isohybrid you'll have to run isohybrid on it first before using dd |
| 09:53.00 | babilen | Zeeflo: Did you read the installation guide? |
| 09:53.00 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | 1. I need to install KNOPPIX on usb from Debian wheezy. 2. Thanks, i am already working with DD |
| 09:53.13 | ectospasm | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: dd, not DD |
| 09:53.21 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ectospasm, i know |
| 09:53.37 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Why do you ask in #debian about installing Knoppix? |
| 09:53.46 | babilen | Zeeflo: But thanks for pointing that out, I'll file a bug about that FAQ. |
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| 09:54.05 | Zeeflo | its not a bug if it works, now is it? |
| 09:54.18 | jiohdi | its not a bug its a feature |
| 09:54.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | babilen, Becouse #knoppix is almost empty. And ##linux muted me for creating holywars yesterday. So... i am making it on debian? ok...... |
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| 09:54.47 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell LoCoZeNoz_ZUE -about based on debian |
| 09:54.51 | babilen | Zeeflo: No, but it is an inconsistency that leads to pesky comments in #debian ;) |
| 09:55.19 | jeet | ok now i am getting: |
| 09:55.21 | Zeeflo | not really, cause its a feature, like jiohdi.. And the feature still works fine.. |
| 09:55.26 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: We can help you with installing Debian, how to install Knoppix is /not/ supported in here. |
| 09:55.38 | jeet | gstreamer plugin: embedded video playback halted; module source reported: could not read from resource |
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| 09:56.20 | jiohdi | babilen, well, technically he is asking how to use Debian to do it :) |
| 09:56.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | babilen, I am currently working on DEBIAN! I am asking what tool for DEBIAN i may use to install a DEBIAN based distro to usb |
| 09:56.30 | Zeeflo | excactly hehe |
| 09:56.38 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | jiohdi, EXACTLY |
| 09:57.00 | babilen | Zeeflo: It just isn't clear that 4M is the optimal blocksize for the copy and the dd syntax is quite arcane. Apart from that dd is inferior to dcfldd and /if/ I were to recommend a dd-esque tool I would recommend that. But lets drop this topic as it doesn't make sense to discuss it any further. |
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| 09:58.07 | ectospasm | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: dd if=/path/to/knoppix.iso of=/dev/path/to/usb/device bs=4M... if you don't understand this, read the man page. |
| 09:58.10 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: You can use cp, cat or dd to write data to block devices (usb ones among them) -- How to install Knoppix is, however, beyond the scope of this channel and I would recommend to ask /them/. |
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| 09:58.42 | Zeeflo | Why.. I dont flame you for recommending cp do I?.. I recommend dd.. You recommended cp.. So, the let guy decide what works for him? Both recommendations work.. Technically.. |
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| 10:00.12 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ectospasm, I am already doing this |
| 10:00.25 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am already using DD |
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| 10:00.41 | ectospasm | if it doesn't boot then the ISO wasn't properly prepared. |
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| 10:01.52 | jeet | sudo fswecam --verbose works |
| 10:02.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | DD have made my usb burning hot |
| 10:02.39 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Also i found that a DVD image would not fit on it..... Downloading CD one..... |
| 10:02.46 | Zeeflo | no, your usb port has made your usbstick burning hot |
| 10:02.53 | jeet | but how to get it working with opencv! |
| 10:03.06 | jeet | sudo fswebcam --verbose is successful |
| 10:03.16 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Does anyone know good linux games? |
| 10:03.20 | jeet | and camorama /dev/video0 works |
| 10:03.27 | jeet | but my opencv capture attempts dont :( |
| 10:03.36 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Take it to an offtopic channel please. |
| 10:03.42 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ok |
| 10:04.08 | jeet | but once i get an error i can't grab frames anymore |
| 10:04.11 | franco00 | hello debianers. I have just set up ssh to only accept one time passwords (generated via otpw-gen). Question: subsequent logins ask me for non subsequent OTP (i.e. I log now and asks me for password number 102, next login is password 231). Is that as expected? I thought going through passwords in sequence could be handy to detect unwanted accesses. |
| 10:04.14 | jeet | unless i reboot |
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| 10:06.04 | babilen | franco00: I am not too surprised that passwords are not requested in sequence as this is frequently done in other areas. Does this actually constitute a problem or is it simply something that you didn't expect? |
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| 10:07.52 | franco00 | babilen, both. let's say I used and stroke through password 1,2,3 and 4. If at login I were asked password *6* I would check if something fishy happened. If it were 5, no probl. Am I getting this wrong? |
| 10:09.27 | babilen | franco00: No, there certainly is /some/ logic in your logic. The point is that an attacker would only need the /next/ password if passwords are asked one after the other, whereas now (s)he needs the entire list (including already used ones, as the information about which passwords have been used is also not available) |
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| 10:10.29 | babilen | franco00: Many systems that use OTPs work this way, which is why I am not surprised that otpw-bin behaves in this manner. I haven't looked into it, but would be willing to do that. I find the current scheme /better/, but then you raise one usecase that might be important for you. |
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| 10:11.28 | franco00 | mhh, maybe a "%x passwords left" could encompass the best of both worlds |
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| 10:14.15 | franco00 | and I *think* I once read an tutorial where it was explained how to do that (display 'x passwords left'), so I will try to search if it still possible with otpw, babilen |
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| 10:16.35 | lmaowaffle | hi guys |
| 10:16.50 | lmaowaffle | is it possible to list all installed packages that currently have outstanding bugs? |
| 10:17.10 | babilen | franco00: IMHO that is a better approach to detect if passwords have been used for logins that you are not aware of. OTOH, otpw-bin requires you to enter the salt as well as the OTP which I deem pretty safe. |
| 10:17.25 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Sure |
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| 10:18.36 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Use http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi to search them or http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 10:19.33 | lmaowaffle | babilen: oh neat, that works swell too. Would you happen to know if there's a tool in the package repos that can do the searches locally? |
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| 10:21.03 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Well, you cannot query UDD locally if you don't have the database ... There are tools such as rc-alert or wnpp-alert to list certain types of bugs |
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| 10:22.24 | lmaowaffle | babilen: okay |
| 10:22.25 | BadCodSmell | How do I check the status of terminal blanking in debian? |
| 10:22.34 | BadCodSmell | and how to I set it to never blank? |
| 10:23.03 | BadCodSmell | My screen is blank and I wantto find out why |
| 10:23.07 | BadCodSmell | My screen is blank and I want to find out why |
| 10:23.11 | lmaowaffle | babilen: thanks |
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| 10:27.28 | franco00 | babilen: ah! There is such functionality, /and/ a bug report open ( 440516 ) *and* a workaround in the bug thread. You got to love Debian ;) |
| 10:28.19 | babilen | yay :) |
| 10:28.28 | babilen | judd: bug 440516 |
| 10:28.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/440516 in libpam-otpw (open, patch): «libpam-otpw: pam_otpw session module does not work»; severity: important; opened: 2007-09-02; last modified: 2013-01-24. |
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| 10:43.42 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | is netcat with -e dangerous? |
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| 10:46.29 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | is netcat with -e dangerous? |
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| 10:46.46 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | What is happening with the channel? |
| 10:46.49 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | is netcat with -e dangerous? |
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| 10:49.09 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: No need to repeat yourself three times - the channel is fine. And yes, you should use that with caution. (you don't want to execute random files other people can write to) |
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| 10:52.50 | winsen1 | When I am trying upgrade it gives this message : ' http://paste.debian.net/248219/ ' can you please tell how can I resolve this following issue ? thanks |
| 10:54.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Is there a ability to listen to a port using only bash? |
| 10:54.39 | petn-randall | winsen1: What is the issue to resolve? This looks like to NEWS entries for cups and mysql. |
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| 10:55.13 | Duality | how does one unload a kernel module if possible ? |
| 10:55.14 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Not sure if bash can do that natively (but ask #bash about that) |
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| 10:55.23 | babilen | Duality: "modprobe -r MODULE" |
| 10:55.52 | jacklk | What's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 10:55.57 | Duality | babilen: thanks! :) |
| 10:56.12 | jacklk | it confuses me, they both seem to do the same thing |
| 10:56.23 | Duality | i believe aptitude is a front for apt-get |
| 10:56.38 | Duality | more user friendly ? |
| 10:56.38 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | USE APT-GET! |
| 10:56.57 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | no, aptitude can fix almost any broken deps |
| 10:56.59 | jacklk | SO it's just a shortcut to apt-get? |
| 10:57.02 | babilen | jacklk: They are two entirely different programs that perform tasks in the same area. I tend to use apt-get (and apt-*) for everyday tasks and use aptitude if I require one of its specific features (search expressions, interactive resolver, ...) |
| 10:57.03 | Duality | anyway I always use apt-get |
| 10:57.06 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | jacklk, no |
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| 10:57.46 | winsen1 | my laptop is angry, that's what happened because I didn't update it my laptop for awile! |
| 10:57.51 | petn-randall | jacklk: Both are frontends to your package management system. They do similar things, but each have their own strength and weaknesses, thus they both have a right to exist. |
| 10:58.08 | winsen1 | sorry for the repetition |
| 10:58.32 | jacklk | Debian Wheezy doesn't notify the user when updae |
| 10:58.33 | petn-randall | winsen1: Sorry, I can't help you with angry laptops :) |
| 10:58.40 | jacklk | Debian Wheezy doesn't notify the user when updates are avaliable? |
| 10:58.42 | babilen | jacklk: You'll find that there are many programs for the same task in Linux that roughly do the same thing. Each of which might have specific features that alure to a certain audience. Just pick what you like ... |
| 10:58.43 | jacklk | I'm on Xfce. |
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| 10:59.06 | jacklk | babilen: okay good advice |
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| 10:59.50 | jacklk | Anyway to allow Debian Wheezy to know when updates are available? |
| 10:59.54 | babilen | jacklk: Notify you how? You can install applets/programs that will do that. update-notifier is, for example, one of them. IIRC synaptic (the package manager) also provides this functionality... |
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| 11:00.10 | ectospasm | I'm using reprepro to maintain a partial mirror for Debian (Sid and Wheezy), and I get the following in my apache2/error.log: http://paste.debian.net/248206/ |
| 11:00.13 | jacklk | babilen: does Wheezy Xfce come with one? |
| 11:00.20 | ectospasm | it wouldn't normally bother me, but logwatch complains about it every day. |
| 11:00.23 | petn-randall | jacklk: You only get notified if you install an applet to do that, like update-notifier or update-manager-gnome. |
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| 11:00.30 | babilen | jacklk: But generally speaking: Just run "apt-get update" and then check if anything will be upgraded with "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 11:00.48 | D4T | hi all, quick question - is it safe to modify the default time cron.daily runs at? I assume so I've just never done it for some reason :) |
| 11:00.57 | jacklk | babilen: okay, how often should I update? |
| 11:01.08 | babilen | jacklk: I don't think any of these are XFCE specific |
| 11:01.36 | jacklk | without a notifier, how often should I check for updates on my computer and server? |
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| 11:02.00 | petn-randall | jacklk: somewhere between once a day to once a week. |
| 11:02.12 | jacklk | ok |
| 11:02.21 | babilen | jacklk: As often as possible, but only if you have the time to work on your system. I upgrade daily (in the afternoon (UTC)), but know many people who upgrade over the weekend as that would minimise the effect of system downtime on their ability to work. |
| 11:02.25 | petn-randall | jacklk: On a server you have different methods to notify than you have on a desktop machine. |
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| 11:03.11 | babilen | jacklk: Imagine arriving at work on Monday morning just to find the the upgrade you just performed caused problems with your system. You wouldn't be too happy to spend half the work day fixing your computer (nor would your employer) |
| 11:03.27 | dokma | anyone knows which debian package to install to enable ssh2 functions in php? |
| 11:03.40 | dokma | I get PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function ssh2_connect() |
| 11:03.49 | jacklk | babilen: okay. Luckily I've never had any issues after any update on Linux. |
| 11:03.59 | xand | dokma: apt-cache search php ssh |
| 11:04.01 | petn-randall | dokma: I don't know, but you can search packages.debian.org for "ssh php". |
| 11:04.12 | petn-randall | dokma: Or what xand said. |
| 11:04.29 | jacklk | I think Debian Wheezy is actually very stable.. I've had more problems with squeeze. |
| 11:04.33 | dokma | thank you |
| 11:04.41 | babilen | jacklk: There really isn't a "Upgrade every day at 16:42" rule ... My advice would be: Upgrade as often as you can, but only if you have time to work on your system. I would recommend to install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges so that you get notified of changes and bugs in packages you are (about to) install(ing) |
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| 11:05.30 | babilen | jacklk: It also depends on which release you track -- As a user of stable (squeeze, soon wheezy) you are less likely to encounter any problems after an upgrade than if you track testing or unstable. |
| 11:05.49 | petn-randall | babilen: asterisk being a notable exception :) |
| 11:06.13 | babilen | "less likely" -- And sure, you also shouldn't upgrade a stable system if you cannot afford the downtime. |
| 11:06.24 | jacklk | babilen: When will Wheezy become a stable version? |
| 11:06.25 | babilen | But yeah, that was a bit embarrassing |
| 11:06.33 | babilen | jacklk: Soon (couple of weeks) |
| 11:07.09 | petn-randall | babilen: I like to joke about the fact that asterisk is adopting the even/odd versioning scheme, with the even numbers being useable ;D |
| 11:07.33 | petn-randall | babilen: (in Debian Squeeze, that is) |
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| 11:07.53 | jacklk | babilen: oh.. What happens when Julia is out then? Will I have to download it and replace it? (I like having newer software) |
| 11:08.05 | jacklk | I'm on Wheezy right now |
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| 11:08.24 | jacklk | or at that time would I be able to upgrade to julia without anything else? |
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| 11:08.25 | petn-randall | jacklk: Who's Julia? |
| 11:08.31 | jacklk | jessie |
| 11:08.32 | jacklk | oops |
| 11:08.33 | jacklk | lol |
| 11:08.46 | petn-randall | thinks this was a freudian slip. |
| 11:08.56 | jacklk | I think Julia was a LM distro name |
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| 11:09.26 | petn-randall | jacklk: When jessie is out, you simply upgrade your running system to the new release. |
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| 11:09.43 | jacklk | ok |
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| 11:10.24 | jacklk | petn-randall: and no, I don't know anyone called Julia.. and they certainly aren't here now |
| 11:10.30 | jacklk | (= |
| 11:10.32 | babilen | jacklk: Jessie will not be released for /a long time/ -- If you run wheezy now you will continue to do so. If you want to run jessie (which will be testing after wheezy's release) you can do that too. You can also use "testing" or "unstable" in your sources.list to /always/ use testing and/or unstable. I would like to warn you though: testing/unstable will become quite a bumpy and work intensive ride after the release. |
| 11:11.27 | babilen | is really afraid of all the people who decide to run "testing" because they experienced it as usable during the freeze, but who cannot handle the issues associated with running testing/unstabl outside of the freeze. |
| 11:12.17 | jacklk | babilen: You mean jessie wont be released as stable for a long time? |
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| 11:12.28 | jacklk | I thought it is the new testing which is out soon |
| 11:12.37 | babilen | jacklk: I wouldn't expect it to be released in the next 2/3 years, no. |
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| 11:12.39 | petn-randall | babilen: That's the point where people will understand the difference between "testing" and "wheezy" in their sources.list :) |
| 11:12.52 | babilen | jacklk: "release" == "released as stable" ... |
| 11:13.02 | jacklk | okay |
| 11:13.05 | babilen | petn-randall: yeah, we will have a lot of work ahead. |
| 11:13.20 | petn-randall | hands in his IRC vacation. |
| 11:13.30 | petn-randall | Who needs to counter-sign this? |
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| 11:14.05 | babilen | should prepare <shitstorm> :) |
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| 11:14.49 | petn-randall | I'm still looking for a better word than "release" to describe the different versions (squeeze,wheezy,sid, etc.) of Debian. Since wheezy isn't released yet, and sid never will, the word "release" is rather misleading. |
| 11:15.19 | jelly | petn-randall: Debian loves to overload common words with at least 2-3 new meaning |
| 11:15.20 | jelly | s. |
| 11:15.43 | babilen | petn-randall: "distribution" |
| 11:15.45 | Cavil | Branch, stream? |
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| 11:16.04 | petn-randall | "version" isn't specific enough, since some people might think architectures or spin-offs (LMDE). |
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| 11:16.21 | petn-randall | Cavil: Branch sounds like a good candidate. |
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| 11:17.55 | petn-randall | babilen: If I ask people in here what distribution they're on, they'll probably 80% will answer Debian, and the other 20% will say Ubuntu. |
| 11:18.22 | petn-randall | s/they'll probably // |
| 11:18.23 | petn-randall | :) |
| 11:18.39 | babilen | petn-randall: It is actually "distribution" with main, contrib, non-free being "suites" -- I agree that this is suboptimal. |
| 11:19.26 | Cavil | Some people just don't think of "testing", "stable" and "unstable" because they don't use them. |
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| 11:19.47 | Cavil | I found it confusing I could change unstable for sid or testing for wheezy if I wanted. |
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| 11:20.19 | petn-randall | babilen: I thought main, contrib, non-free where "components"? |
| 11:20.24 | babilen | no |
| 11:20.27 | petn-randall | *were |
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| 11:21.12 | babilen | Cavil: sid is and will always be unstable ... but there is a /huge/ difference if you use "stable" or "squeeze" and "wheezy" or "testing" |
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| 11:24.25 | Cavil | Really? What's the difference between wheezy and testing since that's what I have installed on another drive. |
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| 11:24.59 | babilen | petn-randall: sections :( |
| 11:25.31 | babilen | petn-randall: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/resources.html#archive |
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| 11:29.00 | winsen1 | I've to go, bbl thanks all |
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| 11:33.58 | gedO | Hello |
| 11:34.13 | gedO | Can someoune give me a tutorila how to create deb files??? |
| 11:34.50 | gedO | I have in my machine package version 0.7.1 and I want to create package version 0.8.6 from source |
| 11:35.03 | gedO | can someone give this kinf tutorial? |
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| 11:36.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell gedO -about uupdate |
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| 11:36.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell gedO -about nmg |
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| 11:43.31 | afsal | why use lmde instead of original debian |
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| 11:44.54 | alkmim | gedO: Do you mean, get the original sources and then build a debian package? If so, try to use the dpkg-buildpackage command |
| 11:45.02 | jelly | afsal: probably a good question to ask people who made it. I suspect their goal is a clean, usable interface from the start |
| 11:45.09 | jelly | !lmde |
| 11:45.11 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 11:46.37 | petn-randall | babilen: I remember suite also had a meaning in the repository context. I'll look it up later. |
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| 11:47.10 | gedO | alkmim: Yes, something liek that |
| 11:47.53 | gedO | alkmim: And I would liek to take install configuration files to new version also |
| 11:48.34 | alkmim | gedO: Do you want do keep the old configuration? That's it? |
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| 11:49.45 | gedO | alkmim: forget abaout configuration :) ther is my bad explanation :) |
| 11:49.59 | gedO | alkmim: I have new version source tar.gz file |
| 11:50.14 | gedO | alkmim: And would liek to create deb from it |
| 11:50.22 | gedO | like*+ |
| 11:50.55 | qdb | hello. suspend do not work. debian squeeze gnome. pm-suspend also do not work. nothing in messages, syslog, dmesg. /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend && echo $? : no answer, i do not see 0. upower -d | grep 'can-' : yes and yes. http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend : ... Debian Squeeze (6.0) TBD Debian Lenny (5.0) ... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_announced , http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TBD ). bash -xv /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend > /tmp/output.fil |
| 11:50.55 | qdb | e 2>&1 : http://paste.debian.net/248182/ . asus a7n8x-x athlon xp 1700+ . |
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| 11:53.22 | alkmim | gedO: Wait a minute. I'm going to check if my info is correct. |
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| 11:57.09 | user-X | Hi, I have problem with nvidia driver. After install nvidia-glx I reboot system and have black screen with blinking cursor. |
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| 11:58.01 | babilen | gedO: Read the messages our bot sent you or the part about uupdate in the new maintainer's guide .... |
| 11:58.16 | babilen | gedO: Just check your private messages :) |
| 11:58.23 | gedO | babilen: I'm reading right now :) |
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| 12:04.53 | alkmim | gedO: Do you have solved your problem? |
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| 12:05.35 | alkmim | gedO: The debian package has a kind of structure that you should create before make your own .deb file using the dpkg-buildpackage command. |
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| 12:10.57 | alkmim | gedO: I recommend you to take a look at this page in order to understand how .deb packages i structured: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html |
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| 12:15.04 | gedO | alkmim: Thnk you for your help |
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| 12:15.19 | alkmim | gedO: You're wellcome :) |
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| 12:23.38 | lancelot_of | using gnome commander or 4pane file managers it seems to me that mounting usb devices is not simple without an auxiliary file manager like pcmanfm or similar. Without these last, indeed, no usb device can be mounted. Any suggestion?Any experience about? |
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| 12:38.28 | jerry66 | http://www.reddit.com/r/XXXEROTICSXXX/comments/1bwvye/i_am_a_19yo_nimfo_girl_searching_to_have_a_fun/ |
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| 12:39.36 | lancelot_of | no hints for me? |
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| 12:46.13 | babilen | lancelot_of: You can use, for example, pmount |
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| 12:46.33 | babilen | lancelot_of: I tend to simply use thunar these days though :) |
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| 12:48.10 | stoiss | Hi everyone. I got my greedy hands on an old Dell latitude D500. But i cant seem to run the installer. Even in CLI mode it gives me green text in the top saying undefined video 314 - is there anyone who happen to know if its even possible to install debian to this old PoS ? |
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| 12:52.01 | Zeeflo | how can I replicate all contents from a server to another server? |
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| 12:52.13 | Brigo | Zeeflo: cp -a? |
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| 12:52.34 | Zeeflo | what about stuff in /etc and /dev etc? |
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| 12:52.39 | Zeeflo | wouldnt it cause trouble? |
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| 12:52.50 | Zeeflo | the servers dont have the same hardware |
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| 12:53.02 | babilen | "all contents" and you typically exclude /dev and /proc and so on :) |
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| 12:53.11 | Brigo | umont /dev and /sys and /proc first |
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| 12:53.20 | babilen | Zeeflo: What constitutes "all contents" ? |
| 12:53.32 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: Maybe you want to be more specific. I can think of 99 ways to accomplish it. Depending on the context, probably one way is a clear candidate. |
| 12:53.36 | Zeeflo | basically everything except devices/hardware.. |
| 12:53.44 | babilen | rsync might come in handy too, but it depends on what you actually want to achieve. |
| 12:53.56 | Brigo | Zeeflo: or cp -ax |
| 12:54.02 | petn-randall | Brigo: That would make your system unusable. |
| 12:54.03 | Brigo | -s = one filesystem |
| 12:54.13 | Zeeflo | I want to achieve copying all content of a server to a new server so I can shut down the current server.. |
| 12:54.18 | Brigo | babilen: or tar or ... |
| 12:54.31 | alkmim | Zeeflo: You can also use "tar -cpjf backup.tar.gz mount_dir" to create a backup tarball of the system |
| 12:54.40 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: Does it have databases? Then cp and others won't work. |
| 12:54.41 | babilen | or lvm snapshots or … |
| 12:54.52 | Brigo | Zeeflo: what filesystem are you using? |
| 12:54.53 | Zeeflo | the database I can export and import again.. |
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| 12:55.01 | Zeeflo | its ext4 |
| 12:55.19 | Zeeflo | boot is etx3 i think |
| 12:55.26 | Zeeflo | but screw boot |
| 12:55.32 | Brigo | Zeeflo: is not a good idea to make hot copy of ext4 ... |
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| 12:56.23 | Zeeflo | Im just thinking this, cause I dont wanna re-setup the new server and spend a day tweaking apache etc.. |
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| 12:57.14 | Zeeflo | So, its not possible to transfer everything? |
| 12:57.21 | Zeeflo | installed packages etc.. |
| 12:57.48 | alkmim | zeeflo: Ca you shutdown the server to do the copy? If so, you can use rsync or tar. |
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| 12:58.08 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: if it's not identical hardware it may not be a good idea. |
| 12:58.21 | Zeeflo | ectospasm, thats my concern.. |
| 12:58.34 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: you should probably set up puppet or chef or salststack, something to manage multiple servers from one location. |
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| 12:58.52 | ectospasm | s/salststack/saltstack/ |
| 12:59.32 | BurnerGR | Zeeflo, if you boot the receiving system from a live cd/usb, you can use dd and send/receive the data via netcat or mbuffer, that would make an identical disk copy |
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| 13:00.25 | Zeeflo | BurnerGR, wouldnt that create problems for hardware? |
| 13:01.28 | BurnerGR | well, it would be best if the disks or at least the partitions is the same size |
| 13:02.03 | petn-randall | BurnerGR: Using dd to copy a partition is not a good idea. First of all, a 100GB partition will transfer 100 GB of data, even if there's only 5 GB used. Second, the target partition has to be the exact same size, or bigger and then the FS has to be grown. |
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| 13:02.30 | Zeeflo | guess thats out of the question then |
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| 13:03.19 | petn-randall | BurnerGR: third, if you upgraded the ext4 from an earlier ext3, you'll still not be using some of the features from ext3 on older files/directories. |
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| 13:04.12 | Zeeflo | Well.. |
| 13:04.14 | Zeeflo | im thinking.. |
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| 13:04.33 | BurnerGR | petn-randall, the dd method makes an identical filesystem, and it works well, and yes, there is downsides ;) |
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| 13:04.56 | Zeeflo | COuldnt I do something like dpkg --get-selections * > packages.txt, install those packages on the new server, copy apache and www etc, and it should fire up with the same setup as on the old server? |
| 13:05.14 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: Probably a better idea, yes. |
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| 13:06.11 | Zeeflo | ill give it a try like that |
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| 13:15.09 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 13:16.05 | TheWarden | Is there anyone here that can assist in explaining how to get a Debian preseed file to execute a command to install a local package? I'm trying to use the d-i preseed/late_command string in-target /bin/bash -x ./hd-media/scripts/postinstall.sh |
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| 13:16.35 | TheWarden | the script and package is located on a USB flash drive which is what is used to install Debian. |
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| 13:17.40 | TheWarden | When running this command I get at the end if the OS installation, "Failed to run preseeded command" and "Execution of preseeded command "in-target /bin/bash -x ./hd-media/scripts/postinstall.sh has failed with exit code 127". |
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| 13:22.23 | bluesm | How can I download openGL libraries to gcc. |
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| 13:24.52 | z0ran | after installing debian squeeze on a fedora 18 it fails to boot with "unaligned pointer 0x912e0002"...i tried 1386 and amd64, same thing happened to both of them...any idea how to solve this problem...please! |
| 13:25.44 | z0ran | virtualized debian on kvm-qemu |
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| 13:26.09 | Zeeflo | it sounds like a grub issue |
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| 13:29.17 | TheWarden | I could just have a path wrong but I have no idea as I haven't been able to find much information regarding the preseed file about the late_command. |
| 13:30.30 | nmee | Hi guys, I need to set up a mail receive-and-forward daemon on my Debian 6 server - no local mail, nor do I want any connection to the local users. Suggestions for what software I should use? |
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| 13:32.03 | petn-randall | bluesm: What are you trying to achieve? Your question as it stands doesn't make any sense. |
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| 13:34.22 | petn-randall | nmee: Install postfix, then select "satellite system" (IIRC) on the debconf question. |
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| 13:34.49 | petn-randall | nmee: Wait, if it's a mail proxy you want, you might need to select something else. But postfix is still the way to go :) |
| 13:34.59 | ChrisH | nmee: I use exim4 for anything. Soundes like statelutre config will fit your needs. exim4 is pretty easy to setup and administer, compared to sendmail. |
| 13:35.26 | nmee | petn-randall, ChrisH - thanks both of you, I'll read a little about both postfix and exim4 |
| 13:35.28 | ChrisH | nmee: s/statelutre/sendmail |
| 13:35.35 | ChrisH | nmee: s/statelutre/satelite :( |
| 13:35.47 | petn-randall | ChrisH: Anything's better compared to sendmail ;P |
| 13:35.50 | nmee | pretty new to mail setup, so I'll likely be back with more questions later :) |
| 13:35.57 | nmee | ChrisH: thanks for clearing that up :) |
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| 13:36.50 | ChrisH | petn-randall: hmmm. with this newish m4 setup sendmail is easy.... in the good old days[TM] using vi /etc/sendmail.cf this was more fun ;) |
| 13:37.06 | Walex | petn-randall: Sendmail is much maligned, I used to configure it by hand, without those use-friendly M4 scripts, and it was pretty decent. It still is one of the few multiprotocol mailers, but then who needs that nowadays? |
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| 13:37.50 | petn-randall | Never used sendmail, I was born after the war. |
| 13:37.53 | petn-randall | ducks. |
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| 13:38.10 | TheWarden | is so frustrated |
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| 13:41.08 | abrotman | Walex: you mean like smtp and lmtp ? |
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| 13:42.34 | TheWarden | ohhh man this is insane, there must be someone or some docs explaining the preseed late_command. I've ran an install at least 5 or 6 times now it task forever to get to the end and find out yet again the late_command is not working. I just want to install a local package at this stage. |
| 13:42.41 | ChrisH | abrotman: more uucp and co |
| 13:42.56 | abrotman | i was going to say that i thnik most SMTP servers support LMTP |
| 13:43.03 | TheWarden | I thought a simple dpkg -i package.deb would do but apparently not so I opted to use a BASH script but thus far that doesn't work either. |
| 13:43.05 | abrotman | no one really wants uucp anymore :) |
| 13:43.42 | koollman | I do want uucp, from time to time. But it's more for ... doing strange things :) |
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| 13:44.01 | ChrisH | abrotman: we have uucp in use until end of 2011 between 2 systems in sperated LANs with no other connection allowed. |
| 13:44.26 | ChrisH | I use uuencode/uudecode to transfer files using copy-and-paste via graphical remote connections |
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| 13:45.15 | koollman | (I really like uux) |
| 13:45.28 | alkmim | Zeeflo: use dpkg --get-selections is not a good idea. As i explained to you in private, you will mark as installed a lot of auto installed packages. |
| 13:45.45 | alkmim | Zeeflo: I think you should use this script: |
| 13:45.48 | alkmim | list="" |
| 13:45.49 | alkmim | for i in `cat /var/lib/apt/extended_states | grep Auto -B 3 | grep Package | awk '{ print $2 }'`; do |
| 13:45.51 | alkmim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.52 | alkmim | done |
| 13:45.54 | alkmim | echo ${list} |
| 13:45.55 | alkmim | dpkg --get-selections > ./packages_installed |
| 13:45.55 | dpkg | alkmim: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:45.57 | alkmim | for i in `echo ${list}`; do |
| 13:45.58 | alkmim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.00 | alkmim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.01 | alkmim | done |
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| 13:48.56 | babilen | alkmim: You are aware of the existence of pastebins? ;) |
| 13:48.58 | babilen | also: |
| 13:49.02 | babilen | dpkg: aptitude clone |
| 13:49.02 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 13:49.58 | babilen | Zeeflo: ^^^ I guess that you are the one who should see this though :) |
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| 13:50.20 | alkmim | babilen: sorry. I'm new on irc. I will do it |
| 13:50.43 | Zeeflo | Got it |
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| 13:51.06 | babilen | alkmim: Sure, no problem. Simply paste longer fragments (say anything more than two lines) to pastebins such as http://paste.debian.net http://paste.ubuntu.com or http://refheap.com (do /not/ use pastebin.com) |
| 13:51.11 | lispghost | hi |
| 13:51.42 | lispghost | I want to install wireless driver in my computer |
| 13:51.47 | lispghost | how can I do it? |
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| 13:51.56 | alkmim | Zeeflo: The script can be found here: http://www.lrc.ic.unicamp.br/~alkmim/debian/general_scripts/generate_installed_packages_list.sh |
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| 13:52.16 | Zeeflo | Thanks |
| 13:52.21 | lispghost | 13:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethern |
| 13:52.22 | lispghost | et |
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| 13:52.53 | alkmim | babilen: Thanks for your sugestion and sorry for the inconvenience. :=) |
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| 13:53.08 | babilen | lispghost: That is not your wireless adaptor. Could you show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and let us know which version of Debian you use? |
| 13:53.14 | Zeeflo | When the merging is complete, Ill notify which approach worked, and was used |
| 13:53.16 | babilen | alkmim: Don't sorry, all is fine :) |
| 13:53.35 | babilen | brb |
| 13:53.46 | alkmim | Zeeflo: You're wellcome. If it works, tell me. :) |
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| 14:00.16 | dokma | my xine is busted after an upgrade |
| 14:00.39 | jhutchins_wk | dokma: Which release? |
| 14:00.50 | dokma | squeeze |
| 14:00.52 | abrotman | 'busted' is descriptive |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | what did you upgrade? |
| 14:00.57 | dokma | only squeeze packages |
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| 14:01.04 | abrotman | wonders where that hat came from |
| 14:01.12 | dokma | pardon, didn't upgrade but packages got updates |
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| 14:01.45 | abrotman | so nothing actually changed, it just broke? |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | do you have an error log? anything more helpful? |
| 14:01.54 | dokma | xine_open_video_driver(0x8b20900, 0x8b90e08, 1, 0xbfb6aa28, 0x80f677a <unfinished ...> |
| 14:01.55 | dokma | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) --- |
| 14:01.55 | dokma | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
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| 14:02.16 | abrotman | dokma: and you have *0* packages from backports or debian-multimedia? |
| 14:02.18 | dokma | it dies even if no video is passed on the cmd line |
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| 14:02.31 | dokma | nothing from multimedia for sure |
| 14:02.34 | dokma | but I had them before |
| 14:02.43 | dokma | so something might have crept under the radar |
| 14:02.56 | dokma | I have some unrelated things from backports if I recall correctly |
| 14:03.14 | dokma | how do I list all packages not from squeeze? |
| 14:03.45 | abrotman | !tell dokma about dmm list |
| 14:04.29 | dokma | abrotman: banana, I've removed the sources.list lines for deb multimedia ages ago |
| 14:04.49 | dokma | ahhh lucky me I just commented them! |
| 14:04.50 | abrotman | banana indeed |
| 14:05.29 | jhutchins_wk | dokma: Perhaps you should reinstall xine? |
| 14:05.43 | dokma | blimy abrotman |
| 14:05.45 | jhutchins_wk | It's too bad we don't have the -V option that RPM does. |
| 14:05.50 | dokma | I have a bunch of stuff from debian multimedia |
| 14:06.02 | dokma | how do I force aptitude to reinstall all that from squeeze? |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: patches welcome! |
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| 14:07.28 | dokma | abrotman: is removing deb multimeda from source.list doing an update and then aptitude reinstall pkg gonna work? |
| 14:07.33 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: we have debsums though, is that not enough ? |
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| 14:07.48 | abrotman | dokma: NFC where the crash is .. is it going to make it worse? |
| 14:08.10 | dokma | abrotman: I didn't quite understand that |
| 14:08.14 | dokma | can you rephrase it |
| 14:08.31 | abrotman | dokma: we aren't sure yet where the crash is happening .. |
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| 14:08.59 | dokma | that is true but having all packages from squeeze does seem like a good move |
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| 14:10.32 | TheWarden | I tried this now, d-i preseed/late_command string in-target /bin/sh /hd-media/scripts/postinstall.sh |
| 14:10.44 | TheWarden | and it still failed with exit code 127 whatever that means. |
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| 14:11.04 | stickyboy | What's the name of that tool to see which processes are using old configs? |
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| 14:11.20 | stickyboy | I know I have it installed... just can't remember the name of the binary... |
| 14:11.25 | TheWarden | ohh it means command not found or illegal command. Oh great how does one do this then. |
| 14:11.37 | babilen | stickyboy: configs or libraries? |
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| 14:12.19 | stickyboy | babilen: Hmm, yah it was libraries I think |
| 14:12.27 | babilen | stickyboy: That would be checkrestart |
| 14:12.27 | stickyboy | Makes more sense than configs :) |
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| 14:13.11 | babilen | I would like a tool that could tell me if a program is using outdated configuration files. I have no idea /how/ that tool could work, but it would be nice to have :) |
| 14:13.20 | stickyboy | babilen: True :) |
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| 14:14.54 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: RPM installs new config files with the .rpmnew extension, or saves the old file if it replaces it as .rpmsave You can then use diff to see what has changed. |
| 14:15.16 | jhutchins_wk | I'm pretty sure Debian does something similar. |
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| 14:16.09 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: I meant: A tool that would notify me of any processes that uses a configuration file that has changed since it was loaded. |
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| 14:17.37 | abrotman | like if apache hasn't been reloaded/restarted after changing httpd.conf |
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| 14:23.48 | sianios | hello guys i have a problem with my audio, when there is sound coming from my browser and pause it to open a player e.g. vlc to play something with audio it doesn't play the audio, the same thing happens if i have vlc playing and open a video in youtube or anything else i open to play audio, im using debian wheezy |
| 14:24.00 | e-anima | any tips for software for the following "backup ftp data to localhostr, inkremental, rotating with cleanup of old backups" |
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| 14:24.27 | e-anima | sianios only with a special browser or with all? |
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| 14:24.41 | luksaur | e-anima, bacula |
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| 14:25.00 | sianios | e-anima, with all browsers and audio playing software |
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| 14:25.09 | e-anima | hm i teste that one but you need a client/host setup and client neets the deamon to be installed |
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| 14:25.30 | e-anima | sianios i have no idea i think. |
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| 14:25.51 | e-anima | luksaur webspace with no sehll or root access only ftp |
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| 14:26.35 | luksaur | sianios, look up for half-duplex/full-duplex audio drivers to understand |
| 14:26.59 | sianios | luksaur, hmm ok thanks |
| 14:27.29 | luksaur | e-anima, rsync, maybe? |
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| 14:27.56 | e-anima | afaik rsync needs also root/shell on both computers |
| 14:28.18 | dioz | sianios: is it hdmi out? |
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| 14:28.32 | e-anima | lftp can do it as i saw. meaning mirroring capacity. i could write some shellscripts. but i am researching befor trying to reinvent the wheel |
| 14:29.10 | sianios | dioz, no hdmi |
| 14:30.27 | babilen | stickyboy: Do you use pulseaudio? |
| 14:30.36 | stickyboy | babilen: Yah. |
| 14:30.45 | stickyboy | I don't run Debian on the desktop, though. |
| 14:30.57 | babilen | err |
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| 14:31.21 | babilen | stickyboy: Well, thats great and everyhting but I actually intended to help sianios with her/his sound problem :-D |
| 14:31.30 | e-anima | i think i am going to test duplicity and mount the ftp servers locally |
| 14:31.34 | babilen | Only that I got the nick wrong :) |
| 14:31.42 | stickyboy | babilen: :P |
| 14:31.50 | babilen | sianios: Do you use pulseaudio? |
| 14:31.51 | stickyboy | Tab-complete laziness ;) |
| 14:31.53 | bluesm | petn-randall: I mean to get the openGL libraries to gcc |
| 14:32.02 | babilen | stickyboy: guilty as charged :) |
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| 14:32.49 | luksaur | e-anima, http://www.csync.org/ |
| 14:33.43 | sianios | babilen, i don't think so, on volume controls it says ALSA so i assume i use ASLA |
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| 14:34.36 | babilen | sianios: What does "dpkg -l pulseaudio|tail -n1" give you? Not all sound hardware supports playing from multiple sources. |
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| 14:36.10 | sianios | babilen, un pulseaudio <none> (no description available) |
| 14:36.54 | TheWarden | Oh I tell you this preseed solution sure is a pain in the neck... I can't find anything online to help and I think I've exhausted all options that I'm aware of to make this work. I didn't think it would be hard but maybe I'm just trying to do something that is not possible I guess. |
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| 14:38.31 | babilen | sianios: So, the answer is: No :) -- You might want to give that a try as it allows multiple applications to play simultaneously. Alternatively you could look into dmix, but I have no experience with that. |
| 14:38.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell sianios -about pulseaudio |
| 14:38.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell sianios -about dmix |
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| 14:39.50 | TheWarden | I thought automation would be easy and a good thing to ensure everything is setup exactly as it should be each time. |
| 14:39.58 | babilen | sianios: Pulseaudio is installed by default with the Desktop tasks these days, so you might want to give that a shot. |
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| 14:45.20 | sianios | babilen, the 2 lines with the dpkg i assume are commands, can u tell me what they do? and i have searched for Pulseaudio on my system but nothing is found |
| 14:45.51 | sianios | babilen, sorry didn't noticed it was the bot sorry |
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| 14:46.05 | babilen | sianios: I simply asked our bot (dpkg) in the channel to send you information about two factoids, namely <pulseaudio> and <dmix> -- Check your private messages. |
| 14:46.13 | babilen | sianios: Ah, no problem. :) |
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| 14:46.30 | babilen | sianios: I would give "aptitude -r install pulseaudio" a try and take it from there. |
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| 14:47.19 | ylooc | hello. is it possible to somehow run a command from root as another user, but this user has in /etc/passwd shell set to /bin/false? |
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| 14:47.37 | babilen | You probably also want pavucontrol for volume settings/configuration ... The HOWTO (linked in the factoid) is AFAICT a bit outdated, but you might need the /etc/asound.conf exemplified in there. |
| 14:47.42 | sianios | babilen, thanks you helped me enough i think i can carry on from here :) |
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| 14:47.47 | BenyG | ylooc: you can specifiy the shell in your sudo command |
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| 14:48.18 | babilen | ylooc: And the fact that the shell is set to /bin/false is a strong hint that you shouldn't necessarily do what you are doing ;) |
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| 14:48.40 | babilen | sianios: great, good luck! |
| 14:49.55 | ylooc | ah, i see --shell=.... Thanx. I want that user does not have shell rights (it is acually apache suexec user), but anyway want to run some of mainterance php script as with his uid |
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| 14:55.17 | khaije1 | hi all |
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| 14:56.38 | khaije1 | I'm trying to setup a server so that certain people can access the server (but not necessarilly all), is there a way to do this by groups? |
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| 14:57.51 | khaije1 | the man page mentions that the allowed_users=console will work for any user with a controlling TTY that is a virtual console ... I'm not sure I understand the concept, can this be set somewhere or is it the login pty? |
| 14:57.53 | babilen | khaije1: .oO( Give accounts to those people who are allowed to access your server and no accounts to those who are not allowed ?) |
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| 14:58.31 | babilen | Or would that be too easy? |
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| 14:58.41 | babilen | gets coffee |
| 14:58.58 | reactormonk | What kind of server do I use for enabling an upload from another machine - up until it's done? |
| 14:59.15 | khaije1 | the number of users is likely to grow beyond where I'd be comfortable with that |
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| 15:00.23 | zykotick9 | reactormonk: scp perhaps? |
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| 15:00.33 | reactormonk | zykotick9, not sure of mac or windows user |
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| 15:01.36 | zykotick9 | reactormonk: webdav perhaps? i'm not really sure what your asking for actually. |
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| 15:01.51 | zykotick9 | s/for/about/ |
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| 15:06.22 | dioz | if i got a package instaslled... and i find out it's a old version... and i wanna use a new version via subversion |
| 15:06.30 | dioz | i should purge the existing package probably 'eh? |
| 15:07.03 | babilen | dioz: maybe |
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| 15:07.59 | babilen | dioz: The best course of actions depends on a number of factos and you haven't provided nearly enough information to give any further advice. Which software is this about and which version of Debian do you use? |
| 15:08.05 | babilen | *factors |
| 15:10.45 | jhutchins_wk | khaije1: It would depend on what kind of server you're trying to run. |
| 15:11.10 | jhutchins_wk | dioz: No, you should build a .deb package from the source code. |
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| 15:12.09 | khaije1 | it's a dev/testing server, so I'd like to constrain what I can so that I don't have to worry so much about whatever else might be going on in the system or the environment |
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| 15:16.45 | jhutchins_wk | khaije1: You are assuming that "server" means something specific. client-server platforms cover a broad range of services and are the general model for inter-process communication in linux. Are you setting up an xserver? A file/print server? A mail server? An authorization server? A directory server? |
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| 15:18.25 | Mogget | I want a time tracker which support external servers for my one man company. Does Wheezy have any? I have tried gnotime and gnome time tracker (hamster-tracker) and they are both fine software but missing the option to export continually to an external server. |
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| 15:20.57 | abrotman | Mogget: they have no export at all? |
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| 15:22.06 | owen1 | ectospasm: got it. thanks |
| 15:22.11 | Mogget | abrotman: You can export to files, but not to servers as far as I can see. |
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| 15:22.49 | abrotman | Mogget: can the other systems import that exported file? |
| 15:23.17 | abrotman | Mogget: thinking you could rsync the file to the other box and restore/import it |
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| 15:24.02 | Mogget | abrotman: Yeah, ofcourse I can do that and that is what I do today when I need to. I just thought it would make my work pattern better if I did not have to worry about such things. |
| 15:24.49 | khaije1 | jhutchins_wk: it's a dev server for a gui app. It will only need to be accessible by sysadmins, who don't need X, and devs/testers who do |
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| 15:26.27 | jhutchins_wk | khaije1: |
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| 15:26.38 | khaije1 | ? |
| 15:26.42 | jhutchins_wk | khaije1: "dev server" doesn't define it any better than "server". |
| 15:27.01 | babilen | khaije1: You can easily restrict SSH logins to certain groups (for example) |
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| 15:27.31 | babilen | khaije1: (cf. "man 5 sshd_config" → AllowGroups) |
| 15:27.34 | khaije1 | babilen: on consideration, this is likely what I'll do |
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| 15:28.04 | ven0m | hi |
| 15:28.10 | khaije1 | jhutchins_wk: I'm not understanding what detail/info I should be communicating |
| 15:28.17 | ven0m | I think I fucked up my data raid 1 |
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| 15:28.26 | ven0m | # mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:28.27 | ven0m | mdadm: device /dev/sda1 not suitable for any style of array |
| 15:29.15 | ven0m | fdisk gives -> |
| 15:29.16 | ven0m | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.16 | ven0m | /dev/sda1 1 243201 1953512001 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 15:29.26 | ven0m | what I should do now? |
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| 15:30.36 | ChrisH | ven0m: 1. search the backup. 2. paste blkid ; cat /proc/mdstat ; dmesg ; cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf on paste.debian.net 3. did this ever work? |
| 15:31.07 | ven0m | I think I have no backup of it.. |
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| 15:33.22 | ven0m | ChrisH: no md2 hdds on mdadm.conf and nothing about md2 |
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| 15:33.39 | n2diy | would running google chrome and iceweasel at the same time create any conflicts? |
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| 15:34.29 | ChrisH | n2diy: none I am aware of. I run 2-3 instances of iceweasel (and different profiles) and 1 chromium in parallel |
| 15:34.35 | zykotick9 | n2diy: i wouldn't think so. but seeing as google-chrome is a non-free program, who can say. |
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| 15:36.16 | ven0m | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/hjXRsn4A |
| 15:36.40 | n2diy | ok, thanks. |
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| 15:37.31 | alkmim | hey. Just a noob question: I created a new channel. How to close it? |
| 15:38.18 | babilen | alkmim: If you are talking about an IRC channel ask in #freenode. If you haven't registered the channel you would "close" it simply by leaving it. |
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| 15:39.14 | alkmim | babilen: I opened by mistake. Solved. Thanks |
| 15:39.23 | ChrisH | ven0m: Looks like you have a problem with reading. none of my requests is shown in your paste and you did not use paste.debian.net as requested. |
| 15:40.04 | ven0m | oh sry, I use always pastebin |
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| 15:40.40 | zykotick9 | !tell ven0m about pastebin.com |
| 15:40.45 | ven0m | ChrisH: there you go -> http://paste.debian.net/248271/ |
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| 15:43.03 | ChrisH | ven0m: I still do not see blkid ; cat /proc/mdstat ; cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 15:44.27 | ven0m | there's missing blkid -> /dev/sda: UUID="7914be1c-0380-b184-897e-4957538cf3b7" LABEL="base:2" TYPE="linux_raid_member" |
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| 15:44.30 | ven0m | /dev/sdb: UUID="7914be1c-0380-b184-897e-4957538cf3b7" LABEL="base:2" TYPE="linux_raid_member" |
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| 15:45.09 | ven0m | ChrisH: I said -> no md2 hdds on mdadm.conf and nothing about md2 |
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| 15:46.24 | ven0m | ChrisH: and nothing in /proc/mdstat cos I stopped md2 |
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| 15:48.01 | ven0m | shouldn't that /dev/sda be /dev/sda2 in blkid |
| 15:48.06 | ven0m | ? |
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| 15:48.40 | ven0m | s/sda2/sda1 |
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| 15:54.55 | e-anima | anyoneknows a shellscript that monitors a folder and zips a folder and monitors the number of zipfiles. like arotating backup |
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| 15:55.52 | TheWarden | argh in my preseed file, I'm trying to run commands using the late_command, however I cotinously get failed with exit code 127 which I believe means command not found. |
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| 15:56.45 | TheWarden | This is driving me nuts, what is one suppose to do here? dpkg -i doesn't work, /bin/bash or /bin/sh doesn't work. How the heck is one suppose to tell it to execute a post script or get it to install a local pacakge that is on the usb flash drive then?? |
| 15:57.06 | ChrisH | ven0m: your fdisk output and the blkid (excerpts?) pasted here differ. I expect noone will answer until a full blkid output is visible. and create is to create a _new_ array. You modt probably want to use assemble... and you never answered the question on, did this work before. I assume it did but that confirmation is missing. I will leave soon. |
| 15:57.22 | abrotman | e-anima: sounds like a really easy script to write |
| 15:57.23 | TheWarden | there is a few examples online but none of them appear to work. |
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| 15:57.54 | __zero | I've been getting random freezes in my computer, everytime it does it I have to restart, REISUB doesn't work either. Is there anyway I can try to debug or get a trace of the problem in a log or something? |
| 15:58.06 | e-anima | abrotman yep. i am currently researching around and leran a bit more about shellscripting while doing that |
| 15:58.10 | __zero | or where can I start looking? |
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| 15:58.17 | Towzzer | zero, have you tried to run memtest? |
| 15:58.24 | Towzzer | and checked the temperature |
| 15:58.27 | __zero | Towzzer: I have, it shows fine |
| 15:58.34 | __zero | Towzzer: Temperature the same, normal |
| 15:58.45 | TheWarden | my biggest concern here is that if I even get a post script to work what the heck command do I use to install a local package? |
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| 15:58.53 | zykotick9 | __zero: gnome3 on wheezy by chance? |
| 15:59.07 | __zero | zykotick9: KDE on wheezy |
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| 15:59.35 | __zero | and kernel...... |
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| 15:59.49 | __zero | 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
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| 16:00.10 | ven0m | ChrisH: yes it did |
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| 16:00.51 | ven0m | ChrisH: here's new paste with md2 on -> http://paste.debian.net/248277/ |
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| 16:01.48 | ChrisH | ven0m: that was after assemble or create? |
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| 16:02.40 | ven0m | ChrisH: create.. |
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| 16:03.07 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 16:04.06 | ChrisH | ven0m: I am not sure, but I assume that create will scratch the metadata. Maybe someone else can jump in here? |
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| 16:04.30 | twinkie_addict | im on 7.0 rc 1 will it upgrade to 7 stable when it it gos gold ? gust through staderd update s |
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| 16:04.59 | ven0m | ChrisH: ok, wondering that -> "md/raid1:md2: not clean", how I can clean it |
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| 16:05.16 | ven0m | should I just continue resync or not |
| 16:05.50 | zykotick9 | twinkie_addict: the rc is for the installer only, not wheezy. and yes, if you install wheezy now - and use dist-upgrade, you can get to final without reinstall. |
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| 16:06.18 | ChrisH | ven0m: Given a backup is there, I would try to do mdadm run but I have no idea how this will impact your data |
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| 16:06.38 | e-anima | ok now different question. i am looking for a backup software that can backup a folder(s) and tracking that stuff with a GUI for better overview |
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| 16:07.03 | e-anima | bacula seems a bit overdoese for that |
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| 16:08.16 | wolf29 | Where is action_trigger_runner.pl action logged? action_trigger.event? |
| 16:08.19 | noxy | hey there, i'm making a deb package for my application. My application is looking a certain folder for couple of files (i need to copy these files into user's data folder) which is home/<user>/.local/share/data/ , is it possible to know that while installing files <user> directory ? |
| 16:08.20 | jordanm | e-anima, what do you want the GUI to show you? |
| 16:08.38 | wolf29 | There are a lot of "invalid" statuses |
| 16:08.46 | e-anima | overview, like logs, how many backups are there, maybe add another folder |
| 16:09.06 | jordanm | noxy, debian packages should never install files to a user's home directory. Your application should create them they don't exist |
| 16:09.22 | ven0m | ChrisH: ok, hmmm maybe I try to run that arry then |
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| 16:10.13 | noxy | jordanm: any workaround for that ? tbh, there is tons of files that i need to copy them |
| 16:10.19 | jordanm | e-anima, rsnaphot. you can use a MUA and a file manager for GUIs |
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| 16:10.54 | jordanm | noxy, postinst script, but it will never be accepted into upstream debian |
| 16:11.08 | e-anima | MUA? |
| 16:11.14 | jordanm | mail client |
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| 16:11.41 | e-anima | http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~dstromberg/backshift/documentation/comparison/index.html |
| 16:11.46 | e-anima | nice info |
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| 16:12.21 | e-anima | backup pc seems nice. has a gui |
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| 16:13.10 | noxy | jordanm: thanks |
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| 16:13.24 | twinkie_addict | cool it didnt realize the rc wass for the installer only whitch i used to install wheezy so dist-upgrade all ineed to do then cool |
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| 16:14.21 | seanz | Good morning. I'm having issues installing software updates on my laptop. It is running Bodhi, a debian derivative. The warning is that untrusted versions of certain packages are going to be installed...then the download failes. |
| 16:14.23 | seanz | *fails |
| 16:14.27 | seanz | Any advice on this? |
| 16:14.50 | seanz | I *think* it should be a matter of "trusting" the software channels I have installed, but I'm a bit at a loss as to where I should start. |
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| 16:15.48 | zykotick9 | !tell seanz about based on debian |
| 16:16.11 | TheWarden | mmm okay, I ran a manual install and dropped to the shell. It appears the boot provided busyBox and there is no dpkg command. |
| 16:17.00 | wolf29 | oops, sorry |
| 16:17.01 | TheWarden | So how would I run a command then to install a local package off the USB stick? The OS installs file but I want to get a local package and I mean by local as in I have the deb package file copied to the USB stick already within the /repo/ |
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| 16:18.35 | twinkie_addict | isee just checked version info it says 7.0 |
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| 16:19.05 | TheWarden | maybe I should be asking this, at the installation of the Debian operating system, what commands do I have available in order to install a package off the usb flash drive? I'm sure there has to be someone out there that has done this before. |
| 16:19.38 | lennyFroYo | are you talking about `non free` firmware? |
| 16:19.48 | TheWarden | I'm sure someone here has also used preseed file along with late_command. |
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| 16:20.01 | lennyFroYo | if so it should automatically detect it for you |
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| 16:21.25 | TheWarden | I tried doing it as this fellow suggested http://www.wallix.org/2011/11/02/automatic-installation-of-debian-squeeze-from-a-usb-flash-drive/ but that didn't work either. So either things have changed since then or I'm doing something completely wrong. |
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| 16:21.55 | TheWarden | Heck if one even just gives me a link that explains this I would be happy to read it as thus far I haven't found much for documentation in this area. |
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| 16:24.33 | lennyFroYo | you just want to use the USB as an installation medium? |
| 16:25.11 | seanz | zykotick9: I read what you wanted me to know. However, my question comes not from a "I know how to do this but it's not working" and more of a "what are the steps involved to ensure I can accept software from the channels in my config?" |
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| 16:29.13 | suppy1 | i was downloading files with git git://git.domain.com/mydir i got disconnected, when i try again, it says mydir already exists. How to complete the download ? |
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| 16:30.45 | TheWarden | lennyFroYo: I can only use USB as I don't have access to any other medium. I already have the USB flash drive booting Grub and loading the Debian installer. In fact with the preseed file I have its all automated install. However it's at the end of the install that it runs the late_command within the preseed file I'm having problems with |
| 16:31.01 | petn-randall | suppy1: 'git pull' will probably work in the created dir. |
| 16:31.04 | TheWarden | lennyFroYo: I'm wanting that command to some how install a package that is local on the USB drive. |
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| 16:31.34 | fire | if for example there is a package that is there in debian, and now the update of that pkg is available, thn i should make the pkg from the source of the new pkg available ? or i have to update the current pkg ? |
| 16:32.09 | lennyFroYo | TheWarden, Sorry, I'm not too familiar with that. |
| 16:32.21 | fire | i am learning debian pkg-management. |
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| 16:32.37 | TheWarden | lennyFroYo: well I'm open to other ideas to make this happen if you have any. |
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| 16:33.21 | lennyFroYo | TheWarden, I'm just confused as to what files you need to fetch off the USB that can't just be installed once the base-systme is up and running? |
| 16:33.39 | petn-randall | fire: Not sure what you mean. What do you want to do? Update your system or build your own packages? |
| 16:33.52 | fire | petn-randall: i am building my own pkg. |
| 16:33.55 | zykotick9 | TheWarden: is your preseed for a rollout to numberous boxes, or just one? if it's just one, why not just install base system, then right a script to install the rest of what you want? |
| 16:34.33 | TheWarden | lennyFroYo: I created a native Debian package that is on the USB flash drive /repo/dsivip_2.0.0._all.deb and I want to install that. |
| 16:34.34 | petn-randall | TheWarden: you already worked on this docs? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en |
| 16:35.09 | TheWarden | zykotick9: it will be used many many systems. |
| 16:35.20 | zykotick9 | TheWarden: ok. good luck. |
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| 16:35.33 | petn-randall | *these |
| 16:35.51 | fire | petn-randall: for ex there is a pkg xyz_1.deb and now there is new update of the pkg available xyz_2.deb i want to update xyz_1.dev to xyz_2.deb, for that i have to make the new pkg from the source of xyz_2.deb ? |
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| 16:41.22 | Guest41645 | Hi, I've been thinking, is there any possibility to set the size of workarea which I guess should reflect in _NET_WORKAREA , so every window created would not overlap "unmapped" area. I am running debian with fluxbox as wm and when I run xprop it clearly shows that the size of workarea is the resolution minus the height of system tray. Can anybody help me please ? I know that this is more related to xorg than debian itself, but nobody has given me any ans |
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| 16:42.20 | TheWarden | petn-randall: thanks but that doesn't provided an information on how to achieve this. it just states one can use the late_command with a very brief example. |
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| 16:42.53 | zykotick9 | fire: in some ways, what you are trying to do defeats the purpose of running debian. where packages are tested against one another to work. but it's your machine, do what you want. |
| 16:42.58 | TheWarden | zykotick9: I'll need it, this is third week now sadly.... |
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| 16:43.17 | petn-randall | fire: Leave away all the speculation and examples. What package specifically are you tring to build? |
| 16:43.32 | Guest41645 | The reason behing that is that i have written some scripts for dzen2 and it covers the bar of any window, so I am unable to do some actions on it. |
| 16:43.34 | zykotick9 | TheWarden: i know, i've seen your preseed questions for a while. i know nothing about it, good luck. |
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| 16:44.14 | fire | petn-randall:weechat (0.4.0-1) |
| 16:44.25 | fire | i am doing this for leanring pkg management. |
| 16:44.39 | TheWarden | zykotick9: :-). Thanks. |
| 16:44.58 | petn-randall | fire: So you want to backport it to ... squeeze or wheezy? |
| 16:45.17 | fire | squeeze |
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| 16:46.03 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell fire -about simple sid backport |
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| 16:46.15 | petn-randall | fire: that msg should get you going. |
| 16:46.24 | fire | ok petn-randall :) |
| 16:46.58 | petn-randall | fire: Basically you get the newer source, build a package out of it, and install the updated package, which will overwrite the old one. |
| 16:47.11 | fire | petn-randall: ok |
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| 16:47.23 | petn-randall | fire: Don't forget to check the caveats there are from backporting. |
| 16:47.39 | fire | petn-randall: sure.. |
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| 16:51.18 | somiaj | ,check-backport weechat |
| 16:51.20 | judd | Backporting package weechat in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 16:51.32 | AnotherDeadBody | is there anyway to add deb to apt repository more then 1 at a atime? |
| 16:52.07 | somiaj | AnotherDeadBody: do you mean add a deb line? Why not just modify the /etc/apt/sources.list file or are you wanting some tool to do this |
| 16:52.26 | somiaj | also be careful about adding deb lines, you shouldn't need to many and mixing things can and will break things. |
| 16:52.33 | AnotherDeadBody | somiaj: no the repo itself |
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| 16:52.58 | petn-randall | AnotherDeadBody: Could you rephrase your question then? What do you want to achieve? |
| 16:53.09 | somiaj | AnotherDeadBody: yes repos are added to apt but adding a deb (or deb-src) line to /etc/apt/sources.list [you could also do cdrom lines, but I wasn't assuming this] |
| 16:53.32 | AnotherDeadBody | reprepro includedeb Precision libfile-copy-recursive-perl_0.38-1_all.deb |
| 16:53.50 | somiaj | but yes, restate what it is you are tying to do. You do not just want to add random repo's to your sources.list |
| 16:53.51 | AnotherDeadBody | thats is my command to add a deb to my repo, but its one at a time |
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| 16:54.49 | petn-randall | AnotherDeadBody: Ah, you should have mentioned reprepro and that you have your own repo. |
| 16:54.59 | Zeeflo | can someone clearify this: xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. |
| 16:55.11 | AnotherDeadBody | ok ill reask. i have built my own repo for a project, but i only want certain packages. im having to add them one at a time and it is a pain in the but. is there anyway to take a bunch of debs and add them tot he repo at once? |
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| 16:55.53 | Zeeflo | is _xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install;_ the command i need to run on the target machine? |
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| 16:56.02 | somiaj | AnotherDeadBody: simple bash script could do it, though not enough experince here to say if there are better tools |
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| 16:56.13 | AnotherDeadBody | somiaj: ok thanks |
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| 16:56.24 | somiaj | AnotherDeadBody: for i in foo1.deb foo2.deb foo3.deb; do reprepro includedeb Precision $i; done |
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| 16:56.46 | somiaj | AnotherDeadBody: so basically using a bash loop to add them one at a time (you can use file matching like for in in *deb; to get all debs in the curret directory |
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| 16:57.17 | AnotherDeadBody | somiaj: yea i get that, im trying to tohink about the password part. the repo asks me the password twice each time i add |
| 16:57.27 | AnotherDeadBody | somiaj: but thanks for the annswer anyway |
| 16:57.32 | Sebboh | I ran out of diskspace during an apt-get upgrade, and lots of things failed. I cleaned up the disk and then issued apt-get -f install ... it finished without error. What else do I need to check, to make sure that my system is in good health now? |
| 16:57.33 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: Without knowing what you want to do nobody can answer your question. |
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| 16:57.57 | Zeeflo | petn-randall, dpkg: aptitude clone |
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| 17:00.31 | somiaj | Zeeflo: that seems to be what the factoid said, what it does is first schedule a bunch of installs based package_list, and then installs them as the final step. What is your question about it (yes you run that on the machine you want to clone too -- provided it has a minial system and the same version of debian on it) |
| 17:00.37 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: Yes, dpkg says you should run that command on the target machine. |
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| 17:04.56 | Zeeflo | which FS is best for /boot ? |
| 17:04.59 | Zeeflo | etx3 or 4? |
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| 17:06.16 | somiaj | Zeeflo: ext2 would probabaly be sufficent, beyond that go with what ever you like better |
| 17:06.29 | somiaj | ext4 is faster, ext3 has tood the test of time (so less possible bugs) |
| 17:06.55 | somiaj | but for /boot you probabaly won't notice a difference in speed, not sure if journling is really needed either. |
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| 17:08.35 | alkmim | Zeeflo: I use ext2 to avoid problems with compatibility |
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| 17:08.48 | Zeeflo | i chose 3 |
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| 17:08.52 | Zeeflo | just to be sure.. |
| 17:09.03 | Zeeflo | ext4 for the rest of the syste |
| 17:09.04 | Zeeflo | m |
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| 17:11.30 | zerick | Hi guys, anydoby here has used SFTP jails ? |
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| 17:12.47 | somiaj | Zeeflo: if your kernel supports ext4 (and it is in your initrd) using ext3 vs ext4 won't be much of a difference. If a bug is found in ext4 it isn't /boot I would be worrying about. |
| 17:13.15 | Zeeflo | well.. all these years ive been using ext4 ive never had a problem |
| 17:13.30 | somiaj | zerick: what do you mean by SFTP jails? There are some different ways. Are you suing ssh and then want an sftp chroot, or using some other sftp server? |
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| 17:14.15 | somiaj | Zeeflo: there have been a few bugs in the last few years in ext4, but for the most part they were fairly isolated. I personally wouldn't expect it to be a problem...but some need the extra safty of older/more tested filesystems. |
| 17:14.41 | somiaj | Zeeflo: but in your case I see no reason to use ext3 on /boot and ext4 everywhere else. |
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| 17:19.14 | _Lucretia_ | I upgraded by debian 7.0 today - wish I hadn't now, because I'm having X problems now, i.e. slow desktop switching and evolution crashing with "The program 'evolution' received an X Window System error." |
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| 17:19.51 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: did you fully complete your upgrade and then reboot? |
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| 17:20.03 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: there were on errors, or packages that didn't install correctly? |
| 17:20.27 | _Lucretia_ | somiaj: it did, but I also had to fix some held back packages and vlc wouldn't upgrade so i removed that |
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| 17:21.29 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: just for my sanity, want to put a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net? |
| 17:22.27 | _Lucretia_ | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/248298/ |
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| 17:23.35 | dioz | _Lucretia_: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 17:23.48 | dioz | if you dig it |
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| 17:23.57 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: first deb-multimedia can cause problems, so I would comment that repo out (until you fix your problems) |
| 17:24.25 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: second, use 'wheezy' instead of 'testing', and make sure to do this change, when wheezy stabalizes and testing points at jessi it will be very unstable at the start as the new packages flood in |
| 17:24.44 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: so after you comment out deb-multimedia, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -- make sure everything is fully upgraded |
| 17:25.17 | _Lucretia_ | so get rid of mm and change to wheezy? |
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| 17:25.19 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: after that start reading though your logs and figure out what is causing things to crash. I think your issues are some how related to deb-multimedia, vlc is one, and maybe some strange libs. |
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| 17:27.04 | dioz | specifically what is /var/log/Xorg.log saying |
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| 17:28.20 | somiaj | for evolution, $HOME/.xsession-errors (or what ever the stderr of X is) would probabaly be more helpful |
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| 17:28.34 | somiaj | but Xorg.0.log will tell you what drivers were being loaded. Make sure it isn't vesa |
| 17:28.40 | _Lucretia_ | ok, so kernel's gonna be downgrades from 3.2.0 to 2.6? |
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| 17:29.03 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: that shouldn't happen....can you give the exact output of the package that is being installed? |
| 17:30.05 | _Lucretia_ | http://paste.debian.net/248305/ |
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| 17:30.29 | _Lucretia_ | balls, that link you gave me, gave me squeeze not wheezy |
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| 17:31.15 | somiaj | what link? |
| 17:31.18 | dioz | my link i assume |
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| 17:31.24 | dioz | he didn't click specifically wheezy |
| 17:31.33 | somiaj | ahh |
| 17:31.42 | _Lucretia_ | somiaj: the apt-sources one, I selected stable and not testing |
| 17:32.05 | _Lucretia_ | so, the "testing" it generates, should be changed to "wheezy"? |
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| 17:32.48 | dioz | oh it does make it say testing |
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| 17:33.00 | dioz | sorry about that |
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| 17:34.11 | sparadokos | Hi, I instlaled compiz and then removed it. Now I do not have a normal theme. How do I go about setting the default xfce window manager back? |
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| 17:34.37 | _Lucretia_ | changed to the correct version, now it doesn't want to re-upgrade the packages it downgraded, wtf? |
| 17:34.47 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: you could have taken the one you pasted for me, put a # in front of the two deb-multimedia lines and just changed testing/wheezy...no need to generate a new one |
| 17:35.12 | somiaj | _Lucretia_: apt does not downgrade automatically, so in that error it shouldn't have downgraded any packages. |
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| 17:35.31 | _Lucretia_ | I pressed return tho |
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| 17:36.24 | somiaj | it does not downgrade packages automatically. It only upgrades |
| 17:36.36 | somiaj | so even if you do apt-get upgrade -- it will not install packages of lower versions |
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| 17:37.04 | dioz | i e-mailed that site with your quote somiaj, about testing vs. wheezy |
| 17:37.07 | _Lucretia_ | I pasted what you asked me to - i.e. the packages it was going to install, linux kernel 2.6.x which is a downgrade from 3.2.0 |
| 17:37.13 | dioz | hope you don't mind |
| 17:37.23 | sparadokos | also if I change over to ext4 on my systems partitions. Running VM's do I need to have a ext3 on the drive with the vm's? I'm googling and if I want to share with windows a partition it say's I need ext3. |
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| 17:38.49 | somiaj | dioz: yea it only matters during a relase of a new stable...stable/testing/unstable are links, lenny/squeeze/wheezy/jessi/sid are codenames -- best to use them as they will never change over night. |
| 17:39.49 | somiaj | sparadokos: any driver for windows an ext2/3/4 is up to the driver. I think some of the features (at least data) can be dealt with just the ext2 driver. So in this case depends on the windows driver if they support the filesystem or not. |
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| 17:41.19 | sparadokos | somiaj: ty, I'm still googling this trying to fully understand it. I've used ext3 for a long time and never have tried ext4. |
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| 17:44.47 | somiaj | sparadokos: ext4 will eventally be used over ext3...but for the most part are very similar. I belive windows just ignores the journaling anyways and they both have the same ext2 core (but I haven't looked at the windows drivers in a while) |
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| 17:45.58 | Stameni | hello, when i`m installing something using dpkg -i, can i force it to install dependencies automaticly ? |
| 17:45.59 | somiaj | yea seems many of the drivers don't mess with the jourling at all, in that case it will probabaly work just as well on an ext4 fs as an ext3 fs. |
| 17:46.26 | sparadokos | somiaj: :) ty |
| 17:46.37 | somiaj | Stameni: no, but provided the dependencies can be satsified (i.e. you installed a squeeze deb on squeeze, and not a ubuntu 10.x deb on squeeze), you can get apt to fix itself |
| 17:46.49 | somiaj | Stameni: so after it errors out, just run 'apt-get -f install' or 'aptitude -f install' |
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| 17:47.25 | Stameni | somiaj, tnx, i`ll try |
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| 17:49.36 | Stameni | somiaj, it did install everything but one file ... ia32-libs. It says that that file is not installeable ? |
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| 17:50.57 | sparadokos | somiaj: does /boot have to be ext3 or ext4? I'm seeing a mix of ideas on what to use. |
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| 17:52.43 | baba | make: override_dh_auto_install:: Command not found i am getting this error when doing debuild -us -uc |
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| 17:54.17 | peterrooney | primarily, /boot needs to be readable by the bootloader, eg. grub. |
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| 17:55.31 | somiaj | Stameni: on wheezy you need to enable multiarch |
| 17:55.45 | somiaj | sparadokos: it doesn't matter. I personally would say ext2, but 3 or 4 will both work on modern systems |
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| 18:01.36 | Zeeflo | im wondering something... |
| 18:02.05 | Zeeflo | Since I changed my LAN to 10.x.x.x from 192.x.x.x its almost like its.. improved speeds, stability etc.. |
| 18:02.17 | Zeeflo | could there be truth in that? |
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| 18:03.01 | sparadokos | somiaj: You twisted my arm :) I'm doing ext2 lol.. The writing I've seen don't give any benefits from one to the other on a small partition. ty for your input!! |
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| 18:03.33 | _Lucretia_ | somiaj: thanks.... |
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| 18:17.19 | Gusteru | anyone can help me please ? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpcreposix |
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| 18:19.12 | Gusteru | alkmim ... don't know .. how to install ? |
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| 18:19.58 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Guys. How to DD harddrive over net to another machine? |
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| 18:21.32 | Gusteru | alkmim: don't know .. how to install ? |
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| 18:22.27 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I got a machine that got total unbootable mess on harddrive, USB drive with a linux distro and a server where i can already tortute the image of this HD |
| 18:22.56 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I wanna with DD so it automaticaly sends the image to server |
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| 18:23.08 | blubberdiblub | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE, in theory like that: dd if=/dev/sdX bs=1048576 | ssh user@othermachine dd of=target_where_you_want_to_put_it bs=1048576 |
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| 18:25.11 | linguini | I'm interested in a keystroke logger to monitor what keys I press most often in a day. Any recommended packages? |
| 18:25.59 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | linguini, For? To know what keys you will need to replace soon? |
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| 18:26.38 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 18:35.31 | Gusteru | anyone can help me please ? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpcreposix |
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| 18:37.32 | jordanm | gusnan, apt-get install libpcre3-dev |
| 18:38.12 | gusnan | Gusteru, ^ (I guess that was for you) |
| 18:38.24 | jordanm | yes, ETAB |
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| 18:39.18 | patrik_ | Hi, I've been thinking, is there any possibility to set the size of workarea which I guess should reflect in _NET_WORKAREA , so every window created would not overlap "unmapped" area. I am running debian with fluxbox as wm and when I run xprop it clearly shows that the size of workarea is the resolution minus the height of system tray. Can anybody help me please ? I know that this is more related to xorg than debian itself, but nobody has given me any answer |
| 18:39.24 | patrik_ | The reason behing that is that i have written some scripts for dzen2 and it covers the bar of any window, so I am unable to do some actions on it. |
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| 18:39.47 | Gusteru | jordanm tank you ! I will be try again to make ;) |
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| 18:44.51 | nate_h | where can I get some documentation how to use pkg-selections in custom packages? I dont' know how to lookup those variables in my post-install, pre-install scripts |
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| 18:45.40 | jordanm | nate_h, you mean alternatives? |
| 18:46.08 | nate_h | jordanm, no, I have a custom package where I want to use those pkg-selection variables to set the UID of a user. |
| 18:46.23 | nate_h | but I've googled pkg-selections custom package, etc and haven't been able to find documentation |
| 18:46.43 | nate_h | should i be googling debconf instead? |
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| 18:49.22 | Gusteru | jordanm it work ! tank you so much ! |
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| 18:51.22 | popapusha | hey guys i am having issues with my laptop connecting to wifi.. i just installed wheezy.. i can connect to my wireless hotspot but i can not get internet access, or ping any ips on my lan.. my wireless card is a ralink RT5390 |
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| 18:52.37 | AciD` | hey |
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| 18:53.16 | jordanm | Gusteru, np |
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| 18:54.13 | popapusha | anyone? :/ |
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| 19:00.35 | AciD` | reading through rkhunter.log, I have found 2 following message stating that /usr/bin/perl and /usr/bin/sudo have changed the 2013-03-06 |
| 19:01.21 | AciD` | should I assume a breach, or when updating those packages, rkhunter doesn't rehash the bin ? |
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| 19:03.53 | popapusha | AciD: i'd try #offsec |
| 19:04.03 | popapusha | or #security |
| 19:04.10 | nate_h | how do debconf templates work in relation to a post-installs script? |
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| 19:04.19 | AciD` | popapusha > thank you |
| 19:04.20 | nate_h | do i _have_ to create a template for values I want to use in a post-installs cript |
| 19:04.34 | nate_h | and where would they go in the package, and how do they get loaded? |
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| 19:05.03 | Iridos | AciD`, rkhunter has a hook in the postinstall script that should update... you can compare against debsums? |
| 19:05.09 | Iridos | dpkg, tell AciD` about debsums |
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| 19:05.49 | Iridos | AciD`, although that's not a security tool... and possibly uses perl (so maybe not the most splendid idea, come to think of it) |
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| 19:06.27 | tuxy | hi |
| 19:06.27 | AciD` | Iridos > there are checksums, but wrong ones : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690284 |
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| 19:06.55 | tuxy | I'm trying to configure multiple ipv4 broadcasting over a single NIC |
| 19:07.35 | Iridos | AciD`, I mean you can verify with debsums against what should be, coming from the repo |
| 19:07.55 | AciD` | sure, I'll do that |
| 19:08.07 | tuxy | I have the first IPv4 setup. Would adding the rest of the IPs in this manner: http://pastebin.com/dq4yTEgy actually broadcast the second ipv4? |
| 19:08.39 | tuxy | what does the up and down signify? |
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| 19:09.19 | Iridos | oh, not true, those come from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |
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| 19:16.24 | TheWarden | Is it possible to have an init script that runs only once? |
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| 19:18.03 | Iridos | I wonder if using "at" and "@reboot" would do that |
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| 19:19.02 | brontosaurusrex | what would be the cli equivalent of "open with java6 runtime" ? |
| 19:19.33 | Iridos | probably java -jar somefile.jar |
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| 19:20.44 | blubberdiblub | or just /path/to/somefile.jar if you set executable permission on it and have binfmt-support installed |
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| 19:21.19 | brontosaurusrex | Iridos, blubberdiblub thanks |
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| 19:26.48 | gnude | hello debian developers, how far is the 7er release |
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| 19:29.59 | zykotick9 | gnude: no one can know for sure. check http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&merged=ign&rc=1 and you'll find the 50 or so, current bugs. when that reaches 0, release will take place. |
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| 19:31.58 | gnude | zykotick9: i know. but it is since a week about 50. i know that it release when it is 0, but i am realy interested in the new debian... :-) |
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| 19:32.08 | skroon | hi |
| 19:32.14 | gnude | hi skroon |
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| 19:32.40 | zykotick9 | gnude: there's nothing stopping you from running wheezy now. i do. |
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| 19:32.53 | skroon | is there away to attach to a process STDIN, STDIOUT? For example with 'ps aux' I found a process /bin/bash, is there away for me to start listening/writing on this process specific stdin or stdout pipes? |
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| 19:33.56 | gnude | zykotick9: i use it in productive enviroment. in this way i wait for stable. the developers do a very good job, and i know, it it is ready, it will be realy good. but waiting is not mine. |
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| 19:34.14 | zykotick9 | gnude: ahh, then don't use testing then ;) |
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| 19:38.26 | gnude | i wait. other queston. i get a old asus p4ge-vm mainboard with intel chipset and onboard graphic. now i have problems. wen using logout of gnome, the screen get black and nothing happens. i can use strg+alt+f2 to geht the 2. console. here in textmode everything works. i read about a bug in the x.org intel server that describes this. i test it with 6.0.0 and 6.0.6, bothe show the error. wen i add "vesa" to the xorg.conf nothing works. only blinking curse |
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| 19:53.52 | nvz | I have a lenovo T61 and it seems to occasionally fail to sleep, I had just now went and took it off the dock and opened the lid which should've woken it from sleep but the sleep light was still on and the screen was black with a cursor and the cpu heatsink was really hot like it was running without the fan. |
| 19:54.25 | nvz | this could become a dangerous issue if the machine is in a state the cpu remains on and the fan isn't functioning properly.. so I was wondering if anyone might have suggestions on troubleshooting |
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| 19:56.20 | digdilem | nvz, sadly I don't, other than I have had that issue with two thinkpads. One was intermittent under linux and my current one has a faulty lid sensor, so I've set it to sleep only when I press the button. |
| 19:56.42 | digdilem | that said, they both always used the fan when required |
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| 19:56.53 | jpinx | nvz: my eepc did that "non-sleep" thing a few times and I discovered that wicd was searching for a wifi connection |
| 19:57.46 | jpinx | nvz: so maybe search the processes for a culprit ? |
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| 19:58.11 | nvz | jpinx: well in this and probably most all cases I had the wifi swtich off in the front.. I tend to make sure that is turned off when I'm not using it or before I close the lid cause in this machine its a master radio switch for any of 4 radios.. bluetooth, gps, 3g, and wifi.. all of which eat up battery |
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| 19:58.35 | nvz | I have it hooked up via ethenet on the dock where I use it most of the time |
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| 19:59.21 | jpinx | nvz: I was thinking more of using ps -e or similar to see what's doing stuff |
| 19:59.31 | nvz | digdilem: its possible there could be some damage to the lid sensor.. this machine is off-lease equipment I got hold of and this one seems to be bent up like someone sat on it.. heh |
| 20:00.06 | nvz | only problem I noticed was the ethernet jack barely works.. unless I use it through the dock.. that and there are occasionally horizontal lines in the LCD that disappear pinching the edge of the screen |
| 20:00.10 | digdilem | mine's never been damaged (had it from new), it's just unreliable. Sometimes if I move the lid "just so" the screen goes black |
| 20:00.16 | nvz | so it seems like this machine suffered some crush damage |
| 20:00.21 | jpinx | nvz: from my scripts # ps -ef f | cut -b 1-111 | less |
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| 20:01.23 | nvz | jpinx: I'm not following how this helps narrow down my issue as the issue is intermittent and when it happens it seems to be on the going to sleep side of things not the waking, and in any case the machine is hung at that point.. gotta hard reset it |
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| 20:01.33 | jpinx | but with those issues you mention it sounds like it might be hardware |
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| 20:01.49 | nvz | yeah its sounding like there could be some hardware issues with the lid switch |
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| 20:02.39 | jpinx | nvz: I did a trial-and-error search of the processes running till I found the one that stopped the sleep mode |
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| 20:02.59 | jpinx | but that could be a tedious search if you have a lot going on ,,, |
| 20:03.39 | nvz | jpinx: yeah well that'd work if the machine were responsive enough to allow that.. when it occurs the machine is hung to the point the fan isn't even working obviously.. cause it was just hot when I picked it up minutes ago and it never gets hot. |
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| 20:04.07 | nvz | I didn't try sysrq but I doubt it would've helped |
| 20:05.07 | nvz | I was thinking it couldnt be the switch but after hearing digdilem's testimony and thinking about the fact that this machine's bottom half is bent up like a lasagna noodle I suppose it could be the culprait |
| 20:05.27 | nvz | perhaps the switch is shorting out a bit at times and the kernel thinks it's trying to sleep and wake at the same time |
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| 20:05.42 | digdilem | mine's never locked though |
| 20:05.57 | digdilem | it just fails to suspend, or sometimes wakes by itself |
| 20:06.08 | nvz | 90% of the time it works fine.. but I'm sure if I sat here opening and closing the lid I could make it happen eventually |
| 20:06.54 | nvz | I've also got wheezy on here so who knows.. its hard to say when the machine is hung |
| 20:07.12 | twinkie_addict | myne locked onm close |
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| 20:07.43 | nvz | when it does it the sleep light comes on and its just a black screen with an underline cursor in the top left |
| 20:07.54 | nvz | and apparently the CPU keeps running but not the fan |
| 20:08.01 | Psi|4ward | blkid and mdadm --scan --examine gives me different UUIDs??? any ideas? |
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| 20:08.38 | nvz | Psi|4ward: with no thought at all to what those commands do I'd think one shows you actual physical IDs and the other logical.. |
| 20:09.01 | nvz | i.e. UUID of a raid device vs the actual devices that make up the raid |
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| 20:09.25 | Psi|4ward | no blkid /dev/md0 should give me the same |
| 20:09.40 | nvz | yeah if you're doing it on the raid device one would think it'd be the same |
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| 20:10.14 | Psi|4ward | main problem is /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
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| 20:10.23 | Psi|4ward | while installing a new kernel vie apt-get update |
| 20:11.10 | nvz | Psi|4ward: my theory though seems to be correct.. one is showing you under the raid and one is showing you above it |
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| 20:11.37 | Psi|4ward | hmm probably |
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| 20:12.16 | Psi|4ward | i think theres any problem with the grubs device.map |
| 20:12.26 | nvz | Psi|4ward: found a similar issue explained on ubuntu forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1405527 |
| 20:12.47 | nvz | Psi|4ward: one command is aware there is a raid array there, the other is not |
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| 20:13.24 | Psi|4ward | perfect thanks |
| 20:13.51 | Psi|4ward | and the problem with grub not finding a device was easy through killing device.map and install grub with --recheck |
| 20:14.21 | xzgv | hi, can anybody point me to a howto on jwm and the keybindings for sound volume control, being googling and nothing... |
| 20:16.29 | nvz | xzgv: well jwm seems to be a minimalistic window manager and doesn't implement any control of things like volume.. so you'd need another program to handle that for you |
| 20:16.42 | nvz | a hotkey daemon or something of the sort |
| 20:17.41 | TheWarden | Can anyone suggestion who or where I could go to get assistance with preseed install of Debian specifically in regards to the late_command? |
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| 20:20.43 | nvz | TheWarden: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed see also #debian-boot on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) which is the channel for all things debian-installer |
| 20:21.01 | nvz | TheWarden: alternatively try asking a more specific question here |
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| 20:27.04 | TheWarden | nvz: I have been for three weeks and now I feel I've exhausted all avenues. I just can't figure out how to get the late_command to execute a script to some how install a local pakage off the USB flash drive. |
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| 20:32.03 | nvz | TheWarden: well I'm not terribly familiar with what tools you have available to you during this kind of install, but late_command.sh is a basic shell script, so anything you can do in the shell you can do here. |
| 20:32.07 | z0ran | so far visualized wheezy is running great on kvm fedora 18 |
| 20:32.27 | nvz | TheWarden: that being said I'd go through the steps of manually mounting a USB drive and installing a package then copy those steps to that script |
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| 20:33.11 | nvz | TheWarden: if this needs to be automated you'd likely want to use UUIDs or LABELs to mount the device.. or simply put the file ina uniform location like the server running the installer. |
| 20:33.33 | TheWarden | nvz: huh the os isntalls fine, its the late_command that its not doing. |
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| 20:34.52 | TheWarden | nvz: start from the begining, I have created a custom Debian installer that runs of a USB flash drive. I've set it up to install the OS automated using a preseed file. That works perfectly. Its just after the post install that one wants to have the late_command run to install my native Debian package that is stored on the USB flash drive. |
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| 20:35.43 | nvz | so you have an executable file preeseed/late_command that runs apt-install and in-target |
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| 20:36.24 | nvz | if thats the case I need an error, if its not you need to verify with me that you have the file in the proper location, with proper permissions, and that you're not just trying to use commands not available |
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| 20:37.18 | nvz | i.e. paste ls -l preseed/ and cat preseed/late_command |
| 20:37.20 | TheWarden | nvz: in the preseed file which I have here https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b you can see the command it executes |
| 20:37.41 | TheWarden | I don't have an error at all. |
| 20:37.55 | TheWarden | I'll post the scripts one sec |
| 20:38.44 | TheWarden | nvz: here are the two scripts https://gist.github.com/thewarden/79bb0211e017c23f0852 |
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| 20:38.52 | nvz | /hd-media/scripts/postinstall.sh exists and is mounted and executable during the install? |
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| 20:39.32 | TheWarden | nvz: yes it does at least when I go to manual install and execute a shell command I see in the root of the file system /hd-media/ which is the contents of the USB flash drive. |
| 20:39.53 | nvz | yeah you're doing this all wrong.. heh |
| 20:40.05 | TheWarden | nvz: yes of course its mount it has to be in order to install the OS. Remember I'm booting off the USB flash drive in order to install the OS |
| 20:40.23 | nvz | using init to run a script to install a package is far too error prone |
| 20:40.24 | TheWarden | nvz: well I've found little information on this and your the first that appears to know anything about this. |
| 20:40.36 | nvz | oh don't let me fool you, I know nothing about this.. heh |
| 20:40.39 | TheWarden | nvz: yeah I don't like it at all but the other way didn't work. |
| 20:40.50 | nvz | I'm just a little smarter than the last guy you worked with (presumably) |
| 20:41.00 | TheWarden | :) |
| 20:41.08 | BJfreeman | how do I unmount a device seems unmount is not avalible |
| 20:41.22 | nvz | BJfreeman: its just called umount |
| 20:41.23 | zykotick9 | BJfreeman: it's umount, no n |
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| 20:41.44 | BJfreeman | ah |
| 20:41.46 | TheWarden | I tried just using the late_command with dpkg -i /hd-media/repo/dsivip_2.0.0_all.deb but that didn't work... which if I understand correctly there is no dpkg at install. |
| 20:41.50 | BJfreeman | thanks |
| 20:42.01 | nvz | TheWarden: dpkg -i could fail for any number of reasons running it non-interactively from a script.. hence why the installer doesn't use it.. it uses in-target |
| 20:42.14 | TheWarden | nvz: I tried doing what this guy suggested to do a local repo to install it, see late_command http://www.wallix.org/2011/11/02/automatic-installation-of-debian-squeeze-from-a-usb-flash-drive/ but that didn't work. Not sure how to debug or find errors. |
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| 20:42.52 | TheWarden | nvz: so should I try doing in-target dsivip_2.0.0._all.deb ? |
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| 20:43.04 | jeet | hi i am using wheezy debian on raspberry pi, when I do fswebcam i can capture images but they are just black |
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| 20:47.48 | nvz | TheWarden: thats what you'd do if you actually ran it from late_command rather than post-install one way or another you gotta choose a method and debug that.. |
| 20:48.45 | BJfreeman | jeet see if this helps http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fswebcam |
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| 20:49.31 | TheWarden | nvz: I've tried to do both as I stated neither works. How can one debug it, I get no errors usually or if I do its exit code 127 (command not found). I'm only able to test it by running the install, I've done this at least 15 or more times now. If you know of a way I can debug or get results from what happens when running late_command that would be great. |
| 20:49.40 | jeet | thanks budy |
| 20:49.42 | jeet | buddy* |
| 20:50.06 | BJfreeman | that was my nick name till I was 13 |
| 20:50.34 | TheWarden | nvz: its not like I haven't been trying and reading endlessly. Its been three weeks doing this. |
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| 20:51.10 | nvz | TheWarden: right, well what happens when you just try install the package directly and manually using dpkg -i ? |
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| 20:51.34 | nvz | TheWarden: if the package install itself is running into errors those are whats causing it not to work. |
| 20:51.36 | jacklk | jacklk@jack-eeepc:/var$ sudo service apache2 start |
| 20:51.36 | jacklk | /etc/init.d/apache2: 51: .: Can't open /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 20:51.39 | ac_slater | Hey guys, I have an NFS4 share... sometimes when multiple people/projects are using gcc on files within that share, things lock up... anyone got any quick pointers? Here are my lines in /etc/export http://pastie.org/7375828 (sorry for the formatting) |
| 20:51.39 | jacklk | WTGF I |
| 20:51.49 | jacklk | *What is wrong with it? |
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| 20:52.23 | jeet | BJfreeman how does http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fswebcam helpÉ |
| 20:52.26 | TheWarden | nvz: the package installs fine. |
| 20:52.31 | jeet | i just see download stuff |
| 20:52.37 | TheWarden | nvz: I've already ran it manually on a system. |
| 20:52.42 | jacklk | /etc/init.d/apache2: 51: .: Can't open /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 20:52.47 | jacklk | what do I doo? |
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| 20:54.07 | TheWarden | nvz: granted it may have install issues in this context I don't know as I have no way of finding out unless it displays an error on the screen which it has not other than the one I told you about. |
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| 20:57.32 | jeet | i need a super light mass computer that can run visual studio 2008, any ideas? |
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| 20:57.53 | jeet | light-weight computer |
| 20:57.53 | nvz | TheWarden: so how far does this current rube goldberg setup go? does it copy those files? are the permissions right? does it make the links in /etc/rc2.d? |
| 20:58.06 | blast_hardcheese | Question, I've got steam:i386 installed on an amd64 Debian-- Every time I `aptitude install` by iteself, aptitude wants to remove steam. aptitude why-not steam lists no reasons, what could cause aptitude to get confused like this? |
| 20:58.07 | Vicissitude | jeet, surface pro? |
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| 20:58.34 | jeet | hmm that's probably too rare |
| 20:58.43 | jeet | arg, why is the webcam capture just a black image |
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| 20:59.20 | TheWarden | nvz: the OS is installed and that is it. Nothing appears to be done via late_command. |
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| 21:03.13 | blast_hardcheese | do'h. I was using install steam to mark the package as manually installed, I should have been using install steam:i386 |
| 21:03.31 | blast_hardcheese | Hopefully that helps someone else as well. |
| 21:04.31 | nvz | TheWarden: idk I'd ask in #debian-boot on OFTC they're more savvy with D-I but you gotta keep in mind late_command would be executing in the D-I environment you don't have a full set of tools there.. hence why most people use in-target to run things in the target.. Idk offhand what is or isn't valid within D-I |
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| 21:05.55 | TheWarden | nvz: okay, I ran just now the installer and used d-i preseed/late_command string in-target /hd-media/repo/dsivip_2.0.0_all.deb and I got what I received in the past attempting this "failed to run preseeded command, failed with exit code 127". |
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| 21:06.02 | TheWarden | nvz: trying too |
| 21:06.35 | TheWarden | nvz: yeah I get that, but in-target doesn't work so I dunno. |
| 21:06.42 | nvz | TheWarden: yeah well /hd-media/repo/dsivip.. blah isn't a valid command |
| 21:07.04 | nvz | and likely you're not minding if /hd-media/blah.. is even accessible from where you're running these commands |
| 21:07.44 | nvz | the debian-boot people in #debian-boot or debian-boot@l.d.o would know more about the scoping issues with what is and isnt accessible from various stages of d-i |
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| 21:09.02 | nvz | afaik you only have busy box and a handful of slimmed down utilities in d-i |
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| 21:39.13 | Zeeflo | how do I tar a dir and keep the permission, owners etc? |
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| 21:41.30 | ChibaPet | tar cvpf directory.tar directory/ |
| 21:41.43 | ChibaPet | The flags there: create, verbose, permissions, filename. |
| 21:42.22 | Zeeflo | sufficient to copy our www dir and move it to a new server? |
| 21:42.24 | ChibaPet | The verbose is optional but will show you what's going by. You can also say 'tar zcvpf directory.tgz directory/' to get the same thing but compressed with gzip. |
| 21:42.49 | ChibaPet | Zeeflo: If you've got the rest of your web server set-up right and the users are the same, yes. |
| 21:42.58 | Zeeflo | goody |
| 21:42.59 | Zeeflo | thanks |
| 21:43.06 | ChibaPet | Zeeflo: You can use rsync as well if they're both live. |
| 21:43.28 | ChibaPet | rsync -av directory newserver:/path/to/directory |
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| 21:43.47 | ChibaPet | If you do that, take care with trailing slashes, as they matter quite a bit in telling rsync what you want to do. |
| 21:44.01 | Zeeflo | i think ill stick with tar |
| 21:44.08 | ChibaPet | Safe bet. |
| 21:44.11 | Zeeflo | yea |
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| 21:45.24 | Pentium | Many prayed You will also visit the world's largest please wait until it opens wWw.AlbCom.Org |
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| 21:45.59 | Pentium | Many prayed You will also visit the world's largest please wait until it opens wWw.AlbCom.Org |
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| 21:46.14 | ChibaPet | !ops Pentium |
| 21:46.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: chibapet complains about: Pentium |
| 21:46.19 | seekanet | blow me pentium. |
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| 21:47.37 | nezZari | A little confused here |
| 21:48.05 | nezZari | Why does apt-get upgrade always "unpack" a new kernel & generate an initrd even though they ahve the same version numbers as the old? (on wheezy) |
| 21:48.24 | ChibaPet | nezZari: Minor revision. Different kernel, same series. |
| 21:48.32 | Pentium | Visite This WebSite Please Wait To Open wWw.AlbCom.Org |
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| 21:49.37 | nezZari | ChibaPet: How can I see the "minor" revision then? i.e. uname -a is giving me 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 x86_64 .. is the 3.2.41-2 the actual version while the prior 3.2.0-4 (which is the number that never seems to change) more of a series? |
| 21:49.56 | Pentium | Visite This WebSite Please Wait To Open wWw.AlbCom.Org |
| 21:50.00 | ChibaPet | Look at that second number - 3.2.41-2 |
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| 21:50.12 | nezZari | i'm not rehearsed in how kernel versions are done .. I'm assuming .0 releases are special and signify the same as 3.2.* ? |
| 21:50.14 | Pentium | hello people |
| 21:50.15 | ChibaPet | say "uname -a" to look at your running kernel, and you'll note that it's older |
| 21:50.41 | Pentium | /ame Visite This WebSite Please Wait To Open wWw.AlbCom.Org |
| 21:50.51 | Pentium | Visite This WebSite Please Wait To Open wWw.AlbCom.Org |
| 21:50.57 | nezZari | ok now it's just annoying |
| 21:51.28 | Pentium | Visite This WebSite Please Wait To Open wWw.AlbCom.Org |
| 21:51.31 | trysten | how do i throttle my CPU |
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| 21:51.40 | trysten | i need to keep it from over heating. i only have a matter of time. |
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| 21:52.00 | cr1st0 | debian will use xfce or gnome3 |
| 21:52.02 | cr1st0 | ? |
| 21:52.08 | ChibaPet | trysten: Maybe look at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuFOO/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 21:52.19 | ChibaPet | replace FOO with 0,1,2,etc for each of your cores. |
| 21:52.25 | trysten | Thanks! |
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| 21:52.34 | nezZari | stuck an a/c next it if it's that dire |
| 21:52.42 | ChibaPet | trysten: echo powersave > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor for instance |
| 21:52.56 | ChibaPet | trysten: Repeat for each core - check /proc/cpuinfo if you're unsure. |
| 21:53.03 | ChibaPet | so, cpu1, cpu2, etc |
| 21:53.31 | ChibaPet | I don't remember if there are more governers available or not, but the useful ones: powersave, ondemand, performance. |
| 21:53.49 | ChibaPet | Check /proc/cpuinfo to see the effect on clockspeed. |
| 21:54.18 | trysten | ChibaPet: thank you |
| 21:54.26 | ChibaPet | trysten: Sure, enjoy. |
| 21:54.47 | cr1st0 | debian will use xfce or gnome3 |
| 21:54.59 | cr1st0 | i vote for xfce |
| 21:55.00 | trysten | ChibaPet: fyi sudo does not seem to write to scaling_governor. su did work though. |
| 21:55.12 | ChibaPet | trysten: FWIW, I script that stuff on my desktop. I have software that for some reason doesn't excite ondemand enough to bump up the clockspeed, so I wrap some things in a shell script that asserts "performance" for the duration, then going back to "ondemand" |
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| 21:55.35 | ChibaPet | trysten: sudo and shells have a funny interaction - the redirect will happen with your permissions |
| 21:55.58 | trysten | ChibaPet: cool. maybe i can find some stuff in cpu0/cpufreq to help keep my computer from overheating |
| 21:56.00 | ChibaPet | sudo "the whole thing > somewhere" might do what you expected. Unsure. I don't do that often. |
| 21:56.06 | trysten | hehehehe |
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| 21:56.24 | ChibaPet | trysten: If you're having trouble with heat, check your fans. They probably need to be spinning / spinning more. Check for dust. |
| 21:56.46 | ChibaPet | trysten: Also note that sometimes older hardware can get into a state where it's just going to overheat and you're done. |
| 21:56.47 | nezZari | ChibaPet fyi on this server I don't have "powersave" |
| 21:56.54 | nezZari | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 21:56.56 | jeet | i have until tomorrow to bring up a raspberry pi to use opencv Webcam... when I use fswebcam capture the images are always black but I have confirmed that the camera does open |
| 21:56.59 | trysten | ChibaPet: definitely the case. |
| 21:57.33 | jeet | or i can also use a fast capture command and open the saved image file with opencv (though this might take longer to execute in code, i am willing to give it a try) |
| 21:57.34 | riddled | i want a raspberry pi so bad |
| 21:57.50 | nezZari | riddled: check the grocery store, they're not hard to bake |
| 21:57.51 | nezZari | ;) |
| 21:57.55 | riddled | lol |
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| 21:58.05 | ChibaPet | Alright, heading home. Good luck with your various projects, all. |
| 21:58.26 | trysten | bye bye! |
| 21:58.33 | riddled | see ya |
| 21:58.36 | jeet | i need a wireless solution actually... camera to controller (c++ and opencv) to arduino |
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| 22:02.53 | zro | if I ifconfig, I get: venet0 [...] inet addr:127.0.0.2 . Does this mean I should be using 127.0.0.2 where I would normally be using 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 22:12.56 | abrotman | just missed it! |
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| 22:21.10 | jeet | i was able to set the palette to YUYV (my camera has setting 0 YUYV setting 1 MJPG, fswebcam auto uses MJPG)... anyways this time there is some green in my saved image |
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| 22:23.59 | jeet | OH MY GOD IT FUCKING WORKED? |
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| 22:24.42 | jeet | ... same command now it not working again |
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| 22:27.13 | jeet | ok so if i save to a file test.jpg that doesn't exist... works... if the file already exists, seems to turn black |
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| 22:27.46 | jeet | oh ok when it saves it the first time it makes it write-protected |
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| 22:40.33 | jjulian | this is not really debian specific but is there a sendmail -vvvv or similar command to show used username and password which is used for smtp relay connection? |
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| 22:41.41 | abrotman | i'd hope not |
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| 22:43.16 | jjulian | abrotman: are you talking to me? cause i need to verify connection. i always get authentication required. and I'm unsure where the errors is D |
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| 23:03.19 | TheWarden | I gtg, take care alll |
| 23:03.57 | roboman2444 | so, anyone have good idea on what is going wrong with fglrx? |
| 23:04.29 | roboman2444 | after a recent apt-get upgrade, fglrx doesnt want to work anymore |
| 23:04.44 | roboman2444 | x server doesnt crash, opengl glx just doesnt like it |
| 23:04.46 | pfred1 | something just happened to my sdl recently |
| 23:05.07 | roboman2444 | hold on and i will get the opcodes |
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| 23:05.14 | pfred1 | and it was after I did a safe-upgrade |
| 23:05.29 | dimitry7 | hi guys, do you know a good backup policy I can implement on debian systems? |
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| 23:09.04 | dimitry7 | backup for: databases, scanned docs, photos, servers configuration, email, etc. |
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| 23:12.18 | jeet | when i use cap.get() |
| 23:12.20 | jeet | all the paramters i tried to get were 0 |
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| 23:14.14 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.15 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.26 | roboman2444 | oops |
| 23:14.31 | roboman2444 | well there... thats what i get |
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| 23:15.24 | roboman2444 | after an apt-get upgrade on testing, latest fglrx doesnt do opengl anymore |
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| 23:15.30 | roboman2444 | any reasons why/ what i should do? |
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| 23:18.27 | pfred1 | roboman2444 you should stop flooding the chan |
| 23:19.11 | roboman2444 | well someone told me to paste the error |
| 23:19.25 | roboman2444 | and yes i know #flood |
| 23:19.26 | pfred1 | yeah to pastebin |
| 23:19.27 | roboman2444 | forgot bout it |
| 23:19.30 | babilen | roboman2444: Please use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:19.38 | roboman2444 | sure, forgot |
| 23:19.38 | babilen | (/not/ pastebin.com!) |
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| 23:19.53 | pfred1 | babilen what is the difference? |
| 23:19.56 | roboman2444 | anyway, anyone know whats a wrong with my sys? |
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| 23:20.13 | babilen | roboman2444: Sounds as if something went wrong with your fglrx upgrade -- typically dkms takes care of the recompilation. (cf. "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms") |
| 23:20.22 | zykotick9 | !tell pfred1 about pastebin.com |
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| 23:20.32 | roboman2444 | babilen, tried multiple reinstallations of both stable and beta fglrx |
| 23:20.48 | roboman2444 | if fglrx as a total died, the x server would usually crash entirely |
| 23:21.01 | babilen | pfred1: pastebin.com mangles/changes the input, lets you enter captchas, is riddled with ads and unnecessarily integrated with a bazillion social websites |
| 23:21.39 | jeet | http://pastebin.com/wcERWzx6 |
| 23:21.39 | babilen | roboman2444: stable and beta? I am not entirely sure what you refer to ... How did you install fglrx? |
| 23:22.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell jeet -about pastebin.com |
| 23:22.11 | roboman2444 | babilen, always have from the official amd .run |
| 23:22.19 | roboman2444 | debian always has really old versions |
| 23:22.22 | pfred1 | zykotick9 what? You're not an Inglip fan? |
| 23:22.33 | babilen | roboman2444: Ah, okay ... We don't support that here. (nor would I recommend it) -- Head over to #ati for help with that. |
| 23:22.38 | babilen | dpkg: fglrx dkms |
| 23:22.38 | dpkg | For Squeeze and Wheezy users. Ask me about <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
| 23:22.40 | roboman2444 | babilen, already there |
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| 23:23.09 | roboman2444 | babilen, do you know if testing has had any recent (last month or so) changes in opengl related? |
| 23:23.32 | pfred1 | I need to figure out why I can't play videos across my monitors now |
| 23:23.32 | jeet | http://paste.debian.net/248365/ |
| 23:23.38 | babilen | roboman2444: That ^^^ is the supported way that also ensures that modules are recompiled as the need arises. But given that you already are in #ati our work is done I would say. Good luck! (and consider using the Debian way the next time, it typically makes things easier) |
| 23:23.58 | roboman2444 | babilen, its not that it isnt being compiled |
| 23:24.06 | roboman2444 | glx is failing for some reason |
| 23:24.18 | roboman2444 | and something that changed in the debian testing apt did it |
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| 23:24.47 | babilen | roboman2444: I have no idea what the ati "installer" does, but we certainly don't support it. Seriously, use the Debian packages or ask in #ati |
| 23:24.49 | pfred1 | babilen I've tried to use teh Debian way to install nvidia binary drivers a couple of Debian ways in fact none of them worked for me though |
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| 23:25.14 | roboman2444 | babilen, the "debian" way is very very outdated, and will usually not work |
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| 23:25.34 | harrison | i have had good luck with the script "sgfxi" -- |
| 23:25.35 | roboman2444 | debian likes to keep the X server version ahead of its fglrx version |
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| 23:25.47 | babilen | pfred1: If you followed the wiki that is no surprise as the article is horrible. All it takes is "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" (or "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" if you use that) -- Many people use that method successfully. |
| 23:25.48 | abrotman | i think there's a #fglrx |
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| 23:26.08 | roboman2444 | abrotman, there isnt |
| 23:26.12 | babilen | jeet: Is that on Debian or raspbian? |
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| 23:26.14 | nvz | sounds like a wonderful place </sacrasm> |
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| 23:26.20 | babilen | jeet: And didn't we had the pleasure before? |
| 23:26.28 | jeet | sorry man just asking |
| 23:26.30 | harrison | i think i just felt a sacrasm too |
| 23:26.31 | babilen | roboman2444: It's #ati ... |
| 23:26.35 | abrotman | bah, used to be |
| 23:26.41 | harrison | plesure indeed |
| 23:26.44 | jeet | getting GLX/DRI2 is not supported |
| 23:26.48 | jeet | DRI2 failed to authenticate |
| 23:26.57 | jeet | GLX failed to load GLX |
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| 23:27.00 | roboman2444 | babilen, already there |
| 23:27.05 | roboman2444 | they are not as active |
| 23:27.30 | babilen | roboman2444: I fail to see your problem ... It looks as if you can get /very/ recent drivers from Debian that are well integrated into the system. We /do not support/ installations using the ATI installer, so lets stop it here. |
| 23:27.52 | roboman2444 | im gonna also go ask in #glx |
| 23:28.04 | roboman2444 | err |
| 23:28.05 | roboman2444 | opengl |
| 23:28.39 | babilen | jeet: I told you before that you want #raspbian. |
| 23:29.03 | abrotman | oh, hand out some +qs! |
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| 23:33.37 | jeet | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 23:33.41 | jeet | non-free, what now? |
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| 23:35.10 | abrotman | jeet: ask #raspbian ? |
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| 23:35.29 | jeet | people said raspbian is debian |
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| 23:36.01 | abrotman | jeet: it is *not*, and they should know better. Please use #raspbian for questions related to that OS |
| 23:36.12 | bezaban | will the move from stable(squeeze) to stable(wheezy) (when it gets there) be a dist upgrade? |
| 23:36.23 | bezaban | what should my sources.list look like now? |
| 23:36.38 | abrotman | bezaban: point them at squeeze now, wheezy when it become sstable |
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| 23:37.30 | bezaban | abrotman: what about lines that say stable? |
| 23:37.41 | Towzzer | hey, mister abortman |
| 23:37.43 | Towzzer | I just got your nick |
| 23:37.48 | Towzzer | just now |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | bezaban: i'd point them at 'squeeze' |
| 23:37.58 | abrotman | Towzzer: i don't think you do .. |
| 23:38.02 | bezaban | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:38.07 | Towzzer | oh |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | if you think there's some magic code, you're mistaken |
| 23:38.39 | bezaban | abrotman: and when wheezy eventually reaches stable that will be seamless? |
| 23:38.55 | abrotman | bezaban: depending on your definition of seamless :) |
| 23:39.05 | abrotman | bezaban: there will be release notes and instructions |
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| 23:39.50 | bezaban | abrotman: thanks again |
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| 23:41.25 | bezaban | abrotman: for a production enviroment should I still do the wheezy upgrade in testing? |
| 23:42.03 | bezaban | that's my definition of seamless. :S |
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| 23:42.23 | bezaban | which obviously isn't great, this is half critical |
| 23:42.33 | bezaban | whatever that means |
| 23:42.47 | bezaban | low resource project |
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| 23:45.36 | abrotman | bezaban: what ? |
| 23:46.50 | bezaban | abrotman: should I expect wheezy to behave in the way squeeze would in a production enviroment? I do not have a test enviroment available to test these servers |
| 23:47.14 | bezaban | I know it's a bad idea |
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| 23:48.49 | bezaban | I can't see any protocol stuff that breaks |
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| 23:50.15 | bezaban | not sure what I'm asking will break |
| 23:51.12 | bezaban | but can't afford server for the overlap in this private venture |
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| 23:56.26 | nezZari | bezaban: can't afford a $5 vps to play with? or an install-at-home vmware? |
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| 23:57.41 | JyZyXEL | where do i find the list of legal arguments for the command 'startx'? |
| 23:58.31 | JyZyXEL | man Xserver |
