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| 00:06.59 | confusid | whats the difference from linux-headers-3.2.0-4-all-amd64 to linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 to linux-headers-amd64. Not sure what I need to install |
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| 00:08.15 | Nik05 | confusid linux-headers-amd64 is a meta package |
| 00:08.31 | koollman | confusid: I would install the second one. I'm pretty sure the third is just a 'fake' package that will require the second one, or is provided by it. not sure what the first one is |
| 00:08.36 | Nik05 | it depends on linux-headers-version-amd64 |
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| 00:09.04 | confusid | ty |
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| 00:10.04 | Nik05 | if you have linux-image-amd64 then linux-headers-amd64 will probably depend on thje same linux headers version as the image |
| 00:10.24 | Nik05 | but why do you need the headers confusid? |
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| 00:11.36 | confusid | virtualbox |
| 00:11.47 | confusid | have an error I'm trying to get rid of so trying to trace what is wrong |
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| 00:14.04 | confusid | at boot i get a msg saying this does not exist when it does for virtualbox. /usr/share/virtualbox/VBoxCreateUSBNode.sh |
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| 00:15.22 | george_e | I'm having some trouble figuring out why debuild isn't building the override_dh_build-indep target. Can anyone help shed some light on this? |
| 00:15.35 | george_e | I've got some more details here: http://askubuntu.com/q/279390 |
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| 00:36.37 | kallisti5 | anyone know where debian stores it's mac address -> ethernet card mapping? |
| 00:36.57 | kallisti5 | replaced a nic and I now have eth0, eth2. I'd perfer to not rewrite all of our firewall rules :P |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | !tell kallisti5 about z70 |
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| 00:37.40 | markovh | kallisti5: see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 00:39.38 | kallisti5 | markovh: danke :) |
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| 00:40.39 | markovh | bitte schön |
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| 00:50.37 | Kellis | Any hazards in living very close to cemeteries? |
| 00:51.35 | dvs | zombie processes |
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| 00:52.24 | brian|lfs | hello peeps |
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| 00:53.50 | Kellis | dvs: I meant in the water. |
| 00:53.57 | Kellis | I read that the dead bodies in the ground and contaminate the water. |
| 00:54.02 | Kellis | and=can |
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| 01:00.59 | brian|lfs | anyone have skype working on weezy |
| 01:01.03 | brian|lfs | it gives me a fit |
| 01:01.07 | brian|lfs | and won't install |
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| 01:03.51 | phix | brian|lfs: let me guess, you have 64bit version installed hey |
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| 01:09.38 | brian|lfs | correct lol |
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| 01:10.03 | brian|lfs | the debian skype page says it will work but it don't seem to |
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| 01:13.52 | Cyclohexane | How do i install phpyadmin without it wanting to install apache..? |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: how would you like it to serve the PHP pages? |
| 01:14.41 | Cyclohexane | php-fpm |
| 01:14.53 | abrotman | that' snot a web server |
| 01:14.57 | Cyclohexane | and nginx |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | did you use packages? |
| 01:15.25 | Cyclohexane | nignx, mysql and php are all installed apt-get install phpmyadmin insists on installing apache |
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| 01:15.48 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: pastebin "apt-cache depends phpmyadmin" |
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| 01:16.58 | Cyclohexane | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/zFHPMDcq |
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| 01:19.56 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: you're on squeezE? |
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| 01:20.20 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: looks like you'd need to use php5-cgi with nginx ? |
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| 01:22.27 | Cyclohexane | ah i guess so, thanks abrotman |
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| 01:24.09 | cxz | any ideas on how to ignore "Unable to locate package"? |
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| 01:25.48 | abrotman | cxz: depends on why .. pastebin the full output of the command and the output |
| 01:25.59 | ScottG | Could someone help me with installing a minecraft server on debian? I'm having great difficulties |
| 01:26.07 | cxz | abrotman: it's just like when you do 'apt-get install sdfsdfsfdsfdf' |
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| 01:26.22 | cxz | i just want it to ignore unknown/missing packages. I tried --ignore-missing, didn't seem to work |
| 01:27.03 | abrotman | cxz: i'll wait for the paste, thanks |
| 01:27.10 | abrotman | ScottG: we need more details |
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| 01:35.34 | dFence | hey guys! Is there a repo for xen-kernels (guest) for wheezy or are all wheezy kernels xen-enabled? |
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| 01:36.37 | abrotman | thought they were Xen-enabled |
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| 01:37.09 | abrotman | grep through the config would make me think that's the case |
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| 01:38.59 | dFence | abrotman: I'm on a vServer - it's my first time dealing with xen. the current guest-system is running squeeze with a "linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64" kernel |
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| 01:39.53 | dFence | ah - package description says it's compatible |
| 01:39.55 | dFence | thanks guys! |
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| 01:51.33 | Vasistha | I'm trying to access a drive that has a rather old (lenny?) debian install with encrypted root. I can boot it and access it but I want to access it from another machine |
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| 01:52.44 | Vasistha | So I'm wondering if I'm using the right cryptsetup command ... I'm also looking at the initrd params to try and figure out what command would be used |
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| 02:08.54 | seekanet | whats up everyone |
| 02:09.04 | Armand | Ceiling... |
| 02:09.14 | dvs | SKy |
| 02:09.28 | Armand | Space |
| 02:09.32 | smalltock | me |
| 02:09.54 | smalltock | me |
| 02:09.55 | Armand | seekanet asked "up", not 'high'.. :P |
| 02:10.04 | dvs | my blood pressure |
| 02:10.21 | smalltock | I am fairly tall, you know |
| 02:10.32 | Armand | pops a vein on dvs's arm.. |
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| 02:14.08 | CorySimmons | How do you guys set up samba shares with Debian guest and Windows host? |
| 02:14.14 | CorySimmons | Been fighting with this forever |
| 02:14.26 | CorySimmons | 50million tuts, all different, none working |
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| 02:14.47 | Canar | Windows is usually the problem. |
| 02:14.58 | Canar | Can you access the Windows host from other Windows boxen? |
| 02:15.00 | Armand | I was just thinking.. I'd drop the Windows host. :P |
| 02:15.10 | gnarface | i'd drop samba *and* the windows host |
| 02:15.14 | Armand | ^ |
| 02:15.30 | Armand | By "drop", we mean... from a window. ;) |
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| 02:16.20 | gnarface | CorySimmons: its usually a permissions error on the *windows* end but it doesn't help that most those tutorials are insufficient in explaining how to actually pass the necessary authentication on the samba command line |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | CorySimmons: which versions of Linux/Windows? |
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| 02:17.08 | CorySimmons | Debian Win7 |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | CorySimmons: so, when i was doing this a couple years ago, you had to do some registry hacking and change some encryption |
| 02:18.17 | CorySimmons | YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:18.20 | CorySimmons | I'M A KING AMONGST MEN |
| 02:18.29 | CorySimmons | ALL BOW BEFORE ME AND TREMBLE IN UNDYING FAITH! |
| 02:18.36 | CorySimmons | sudo smbpasswd -a !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:18.53 | CorySimmons | F'ing samba's stupid ass doesn't have access to Linux passwords |
| 02:19.01 | CorySimmons | SO every pass I was trying never existed |
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| 02:19.03 | Armand | unplugs CorySimmons' Windows machine |
| 02:19.06 | CorySimmons | sudo smbpasswd -a lets you set password |
| 02:19.10 | CorySimmons | sudo smbpasswd -a cory |
| 02:19.13 | Towzzer | yeah |
| 02:19.14 | CorySimmons | asks for pass |
| 02:19.16 | CorySimmons | Boom! |
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| 02:19.36 | abrotman | didn't think it was that complicated |
| 02:19.50 | CorySimmons | sdfjsadfjsdfjfjGOD NO!! |
| 02:19.56 | CorySimmons | It let me seeeeeeeeee my folders |
| 02:20.04 | CorySimmons | Now it's throwing errors when I try to open them |
| 02:20.07 | Towzzer | this is exciting |
| 02:20.08 | CorySimmons | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 02:20.09 | Armand | derp |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | CorySimmons: STOP |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | that's annoying and unnecessary |
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| 02:20.45 | CorySimmons | T_T |
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| 02:26.43 | Vasistha | which version of debian had a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 02:27.17 | dvs | what's before etch? |
| 02:27.46 | Vasistha | I'm thinking maybe lenny? And maybe later on I was able to upgrade to 2.6.18 and 2.6.26, maybe via backports |
| 02:27.56 | Vasistha | dvs: wikipedia knows |
| 02:28.21 | Vasistha | dvs: I'm pretty sure it's sarge though |
| 02:28.28 | abrotman | !release history |
| 02:28.29 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
| 02:28.40 | Armand | slaps dpkg! |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:29.34 | Vasistha | abrotman: any idea where we can look up which kernel a version would have shipped with? |
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| 02:29.54 | abrotman | 2.6.8 was sarge IIRC |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | archive.debian.org |
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| 02:42.55 | abrotman | seekanet: don't do that |
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| 02:51.19 | gonelo | Running Wheezy. While doing a 'apt-get upgrade', got the following err msg:Err http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy/main libavutil51 i386 8:1.0.6-dmo2 504 Gateway Timeout 50001Has the the URL become invalid? Used it before. |
| 02:52.53 | gonelo | Running Wheezy. While doing a 'apt-get upgrade', got the following err msg: |
| 02:52.54 | gonelo | Err http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy/main libavutil51 i386 8:1.0.6-dmo2 |
| 02:52.56 | gonelo | 504 Gateway Timeout 50001 |
| 02:52.57 | gonelo | Has the the URL become invalid? Used it before. |
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| 02:54.03 | Towzzer | is there a space there? |
| 02:54.12 | Towzzer | oh right |
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| 03:04.55 | Vasistha | is it possible to get the hash and cipher info from an already open encrypted volume? |
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| 03:08.50 | CorySimmons | Where can I get the Debian mini.iso? |
| 03:09.30 | gnarface | CorySimmons: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 03:10.03 | gnarface | CorySimmons: (its not called mini.iso) |
| 03:10.38 | Vasistha | is there a command I can use to look at a block device and figure out if it has a filesystem on it, and what type? |
| 03:11.08 | gnarface | CorySimmons: you want the netinstall one or the "businesscard" one ("businesscard" is even smaller but can't finish unless you actually have a live net connection. the netinstall one, counter-intuitively does *not* actually require a live net connection to give you at least a bootable minimal system) |
| 03:11.09 | CorySimmons | ty |
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| 03:11.58 | gnarface | Vasistha: there are a lot. try: fdisk -l [device] |
| 03:12.01 | CorySimmons | Uh the smallest one possible |
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| 03:12.13 | CorySimmons | I'm trying to get the smallest debian install (without gui) possible |
| 03:12.49 | gnarface | CorySimmons: that is not a factor of which installer you chose. they can all install any amount of debian, some just come with more of it available *in the disk* |
| 03:13.21 | gnarface | CorySimmons: so, given that, and assuming you will have a live network connection during the install process, you probably want the businesscard iso |
| 03:13.55 | CorySimmons | Yeah |
| 03:14.10 | CorySimmons | Ubuntu has a MinimalCD thing that lets me pick the packages I want to install during installation |
| 03:14.16 | CorySimmons | Is that the Debian Businesscard thing? |
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| 03:14.49 | gnarface | CorySimmons: the trick to get a minimal install is to pick "expert mode" and when it gets to the tasksel stage just don't check any boxes. you can do this with *any* of these installers, including the businesscard one. |
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| 03:16.56 | CorySimmons | Gotcha. Is 46mb the smallest installer? |
| 03:17.04 | CorySimmons | What's this http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/ ? |
| 03:17.44 | gnarface | CorySimmons: something that was put there to confuse you. download from here: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 03:18.14 | CorySimmons | lol ok thanks |
| 03:18.17 | gnarface | CorySimmons: yes 46MB sounds right. the actual size varies depending on architecture (64-bit systems actually have larger binaries) |
| 03:18.25 | CorySimmons | Appreciate the help gnarface :) |
| 03:18.51 | CorySimmons | How much RAM does this install use compared to Ubuntu's minimal install? Say you just have samba on both? |
| 03:19.36 | gnarface | i have no idea compared to Ubuntu but you should be able to do most stuff with no problem if you have at least 64MB of ram, some swap, and a lot of patience |
| 03:19.59 | gnarface | if you don't have a lot of patience i would recommend at least 512MB of ram |
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| 03:20.34 | gnarface | its good to have at least 2GHZ of cpu horsepower too, but i can confirm squeeze will still run on stuff as slow as 233mhz |
| 03:20.44 | gnarface | (again - patience is key) |
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| 03:23.10 | gnarface | CorySimmons: the amount of ram in use is more of a factor of what you have running by default on install |
| 03:23.18 | gnarface | CorySimmons: not whether its ubuntu or debian |
| 03:23.44 | gnarface | CorySimmons: but i would expect that Ubuntu's "minimal" install to be still quite bloated compared to a debian minimal install |
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| 03:24.36 | CorySimmons | Well, here Ubuntu suggests using Debian if your system is really slow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems |
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| 03:25.30 | gnarface | CorySimmons: debian used to be installable with only 8MB of ram but the net installer will probably need 64MB as of squeeze |
| 03:25.51 | RigidWig | If I want to have a debian box act as a VPN server that windows could natively connect to, I can't use OpenVPN, can I? |
| 03:25.57 | gnarface | CorySimmons: if you have THAT low of ram i would recommend doing a debootstrap install directly to the physical volume of the machine instead of using the netinstaller |
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| 03:26.23 | Quest | by router i mean router/switch. the server is a linux debian server |
| 03:26.24 | Quest | we have 8 ip pool 5/8 usable. our office configuration DSL > router (make NAT maping for server) > server > switch > mulptiple users. The server is for monitering, prioritizing and limiting traffic. Now we also want an astersk server to also be placed (after the switch and before the the voip cisco phones). We want to moniter voip calls and bandwidth as well. I have been advised by many not to use NAT with astersk. I have read art |
| 03:26.24 | Quest | icles on the problems. One other problem is that voip need priority. can the server set priority for viop? Provided that the phones will only be used in LAN. should I proceed or an alternative is suggested? 2. can a router/switch to better QoS or a linux OS computer? |
| 03:26.43 | Corey | Quest: How many channels are you going to paste that incomprehensible tolstoy into? |
| 03:26.48 | gnarface | RigidWig: yes you can. there are windows and os x openvpn clients |
| 03:27.22 | RigidWig | gnarface, hence the 'native'.... unfortunately, silly IT department at work... |
| 03:27.24 | Quest | Corey, just so many till I get *one* respponse |
| 03:27.58 | CorySimmons | abrotman: Sorry about my spaz earlier. Wrong channel. Been fighting all day with something in #meteor and they're cool with that kind of behavior. My bad |
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| 03:28.28 | Corey | Quest: Does this strike you as a readable problem description? http://note.io/11M5pvM |
| 03:28.30 | gnarface | RigidWig: oh. yea windows can't connect natively to OpenVPN without installing new software; but on the plus side that is the case for commercial VPN clients too |
| 03:29.27 | Quest | Corey, thas the best i can do. |
| 03:29.31 | RigidWig | gnarface so I'd have to set up PPTP using a seperate package on the debian box? :( |
| 03:29.54 | gnarface | RigidWig: now, OS X can connect natively to a pptp/l2tp/ipsec abomination, but i'm not aware of any such functionality natively in any version of Windows. |
| 03:30.01 | Quest | can a router/switch to better QoS or a linux OS computer? |
| 03:30.23 | RigidWig | gnarface unfortunately, windows also natively uses pptp |
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| 03:30.35 | gnarface | RigidWig: no, its far worse than that. ipsec tunnels are kernel-level and intrusive. OpenVPN would have been a nicer choice because it runs in userspace (only one of its kind) |
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| 03:31.45 | gnarface | RigidWig: i've never successfully configured ipsec to work and be stable on the linux end so i can't help you with that. all of my experience suggests nobody else can do it and keep it stable either. OpenVPN is really a better solution all around |
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| 03:32.45 | RigidWig | gnarface, maybe I can find some kind of portable application to do openVPN on windows, it may be possible if it runs in userspace... |
| 03:32.56 | RigidWig | but I can't be sure about their weird admin rights blocks |
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| 03:36.06 | gnarface | RigidWig: openvpn is a multi-platform solution. you should be able to run the clients and servers on bsd, linux, windows or osx. some limitations exist for windows networking that make it really annoying to run the servers though. i wouldn't recommend it |
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| 03:55.26 | pxb | Which permission policy should I be using for /var/www? Apache is running as www-data, and I have a single, regular user account I use to modify the site's content. Some content is dynamic and utilises mod_perl. |
| 03:56.08 | pxb | Usually I'd just have it owned by root:www-users and add myself to www-users (and chmod the directory to 0775), but I've never hosted a site with dynamic content before so I'm not sure what's considered proper practice. |
| 03:56.35 | gnarface | pxb: you definitely don't want www-data to have write-access to its docroot |
| 03:57.16 | pxb | gnarface: And I assume that's because a malicious script could modify the site's content? |
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| 03:58.14 | gnarface | pxb: yes, or even a vulnerability in apache itself, or it could just serve as an XSS hacking avenue for your users without modifying anything on the server |
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| 03:59.13 | gnarface | pxb: it goes back to one of these foundational concepts of Unix security; nothing in the system should trust anything else in the system by default |
| 03:59.46 | Infiltrator | I have my /var/www owned by root:root with 755 perms; is that a "good" way of doing it? |
| 04:00.15 | pxb | Infiltrator: How do you edit the site's content? |
| 04:00.25 | gnarface | Infiltrator: unless any of that content is secret and should not be accessible by normal shell users; in which case you would want 750 |
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| 04:01.11 | pxb | Er, so what exactly should I be doing with this? Is root:www-users @ 0770 a good idea or not? |
| 04:01.19 | gnarface | now, myself i typically use 2770 root:devgroup (where devgroup is my users's group or a shared dev group, if multiple developers - but then they all have to change their umask to 0002 as well) |
| 04:01.30 | pxb | Ah. |
| 04:02.01 | gnarface | (note: 2770, that's not a typo) |
| 04:02.26 | pxb | Yes, just looking up information about the first number. |
| 04:02.32 | pxb | It's always confused me. |
| 04:02.41 | gnarface | actually 2775 should be good too |
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| 04:03.28 | gnarface | actually what i do i realize is usually set 2775 on the directories and then just manually override any config files with db passwords or sensetive whatever to 0660 |
| 04:03.51 | gnarface | or wait |
| 04:04.20 | gnarface | no config files would be 0640 |
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| 04:04.40 | gnarface | and the group could be www-data then |
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| 04:05.11 | gnarface | it helps if you know bash well enough you can write scripts to clean the permissions up on deployment or whatever |
| 04:05.35 | gnarface | because there are a lot of use cases where they can get messed up accidentally if the groups and ownerships aren't all pristine |
| 04:05.47 | Infiltrator | gnarface: Good point; thanks. |
| 04:06.06 | Infiltrator | pxb: With an editor? :S |
| 04:06.48 | pxb | Infiltrator: I obviously don't know shit but I can't imagine having to log in as root to edit its contents is practical. |
| 04:07.04 | gnarface | pxb: well, sudo works too :-/ |
| 04:07.35 | pxb | "SetGID, however, is a whole different ball game. When a directory has the SetGID bit set and a file is created within that directory the group ownership of the file is automatically modified to be the group of the directory." |
| 04:07.39 | pxb | I see! |
| 04:07.49 | gnarface | pxb: but this is totally doable - the unix filesystem/group setups can totally share files amongst users of the same group if you properly use the sguid bit and group memberships and the per-user umask |
| 04:08.08 | Infiltrator | pxb: Ah, right; no I would cp or rsync it in once I've made changes in the repo. |
| 04:08.09 | gnarface | pxb: yea! but note: thats only if the user who created the file *IS IN THAT GROUP* |
| 04:08.39 | pxb | I understand. |
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| 04:09.20 | gnarface | an alternative would be to make the developer's group the default group but that is a P.I.T.A. so setguid just overrides times when the file would be created as username:username |
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| 04:10.02 | squisher | acls can be pretty useful |
| 04:10.17 | gnarface | then after that you gotta remember to set each user's umask to 0002 in their own login scripts (from the default of 0022) or every file they create/change will be readable but not writable by their group members |
| 04:10.32 | squisher | and that's why acls are nice ;-) |
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| 04:11.09 | gnarface | squisher: yea a lot of people turn to ACLs to solve this issue without having to mess with arcane behaviors. those of us who had to figure this out before ACLs don't like extra garbage in our filesystems though |
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| 04:12.14 | pxb | Ah, I'm a bit new to using Linux for anything more than browsing the net. |
| 04:12.16 | gnarface | plus messing with your ACL and extended filesystem features can hose security for certain types of chroot/jail style virtualization setups (like linux-vservers) |
| 04:12.27 | pxb | Not sure if I'm ready to mess with ACL when Apache is still a challenge for me. |
| 04:12.49 | squisher | gnarface, yeah, I used to have that opinion myself. But it's just too much trouble IMHO - and it can't give you as much functionality as acls. For example, if you change umask on login, then _all_ files will be created with that umask, which may not be what you want. |
| 04:13.06 | gnarface | pxb: learning how to do this with standard unix filesystem permissions and groups is one of those things that will benefit your understanding of how to use them for everything else too |
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| 04:13.41 | squisher | pxb, yeah, it is definitely an advanced feature... ymmv |
| 04:13.44 | gnarface | pxb: won't be long and you'll be seeing your home directory on foregin systems created with default permissions 0755 and thinking WTF? and changing it to 0700 immediately |
| 04:14.08 | pxb | Ah, I already knew that much from using shared servers for shell accounts. |
| 04:14.15 | pxb | People poking around my IRC logs. |
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| 04:14.28 | gnarface | squisher: that's a fair point. but i usually just add the umask calls to my deployment scripts when that becomes an issue |
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| 04:15.33 | gnarface | pxb: so it seems like you understand most of the permission part, you just need to learn how group memberships are treated in conjunction with that and you're good |
| 04:16.17 | pxb | umask is tripping me up, perhaps I'm misunderstanding. After running `umask 0002` and creating directories/files then doing the same after running `umask 0022`, permissions are the same for everything created. |
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| 04:16.43 | pxb | As in, test directory made as one and the other have the same permissions. |
| 04:17.02 | gnarface | pxb: did you do it in separate terminals? note that's a per-shell-instance setting not a global system setting |
| 04:17.19 | pxb | No, I ran the mkdir commands directly after umask in the same shell. |
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| 04:18.13 | pxb | Oh, never mind. |
| 04:18.15 | gnarface | pxb: try this: umask 0022 && touch one && umask 0002 && touch two && ls -l one two |
| 04:18.26 | pxb | Yeah, I just did exactly that (but with mkdir) and it seems to have worked. |
| 04:18.30 | pxb | Must have mis-read something like a dolt. :p |
| 04:18.42 | pxb | david@debian:~$ umask 0002 && mkdir test_one && umask 0022 && mkdir test_two && stat test_* | grep 'Access: (' |
| 04:18.45 | pxb | Access: (0775/drwxrwxr-x) Uid: ( 1000/ david) Gid: ( 1000/ david) |
| 04:18.47 | pxb | Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 1000/ david) Gid: ( 1000/ david) |
| 04:18.55 | gnarface | pxb: the human brain is an interesting thing. its more likely to see what it expects to see than what is actually there |
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| 04:19.06 | pxb | Probably doesn't help that I've been up for a good 20 hours but can't sleep. |
| 04:19.22 | RigidWig | Well that's healthy... |
| 04:19.27 | gnarface | pxb: doesn't help for sure, oddly enough that's the same feature of your brain that makes humans very good at abstract pattern matching (perhaps ironically) |
| 04:19.55 | gnarface | chipanzees *don't* have this problem and all have photographic memory |
| 04:20.02 | gnarface | believe it or not |
| 04:20.48 | gnarface | and its thought that they retained this because their brains don't have the enormous space dedicated to speech/language processing that we do |
| 04:21.11 | gnarface | pxb: short version: nothing to kick yourself over. |
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| 04:21.24 | RigidWig | They probably also needed that space for processing fecal hurling... |
| 04:21.30 | pxb | Heh. Must be wonderful to have a photographic memory, though. |
| 04:21.43 | pxb | Unless you happen to see something not quite so pleasant. |
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| 04:23.55 | pxb | gnarface: Would I be right in saying that using 0027 so that non-owner/group users can't read things created inside of /var/www is pointless as /var/www itself is set to 2770? |
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| 04:25.22 | gnarface | pxb: uh... not quite. in that configuration group members could still read from the directory and add new files to it; they just wouldn't be able to alter any files already in it |
| 04:25.28 | gnarface | pxb: i think |
| 04:25.34 | pxb | I meant umask 0027, sorry. |
| 04:25.38 | gnarface | yea |
| 04:25.42 | gnarface | i mean |
| 04:25.50 | gnarface | that's what you typed the first time |
| 04:25.57 | gnarface | did you mean 0077? |
| 04:26.01 | pxb | Yes. |
| 04:26.08 | pxb | No. |
| 04:26.10 | pxb | Ugh. |
| 04:26.22 | pxb | Hahaha, ah, I meant whatever would result in world-readable permissions being 0. |
| 04:26.24 | gnarface | pxb: maybe it would be better to sleep before you make a royal mistake as the root user |
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| 04:26.31 | pxb | I'm using a VM for all of this. |
| 04:26.40 | pxb | Can't sleep due to amphetamine use. |
| 04:26.45 | pxb | New meds. |
| 04:26.53 | kristijonas | Hello, sounds only work on skype... it happened after I restarted a pc. |
| 04:27.09 | gnarface | pxb: you're on the right track; here's the info you're currently missing in your mental model: *listing directory contents* is the *execute* bit on directories |
| 04:27.21 | kristijonas | and there are two sound indicators in the right top corner, instead of one. |
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| 04:27.52 | gnarface | pxb: you could remove group execute but leave group read and then group members would be able to read files in the directory that they already knew the names of, but they wouldn't be able to "ls -l" .... does that help to know? |
| 04:28.33 | kristijonas | sorry, sound works everywhere except on browsers.. |
| 04:28.43 | gnarface | pxb: that's why directories and files both have both read and execute; they both actually might use it because listing contents is considered "execution" of the directory |
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| 04:29.56 | pxb | That makes sense. Using the umask you recommended -- 0002 -- the default permissions for a created directory are 0775. Would using a umask value that makes it so a created directory is, say, 0770, pointless, as the directories created are going in /var/www which is already non-readable by people that aren't root or in our developers' group? |
| 04:30.39 | kristijonas | How to fix this issue? |
| 04:30.40 | pxb | As in is it pointless making things non-readable to regular users not in our group as the contents of /var/www aren't accessible to them anyway? |
| 04:30.44 | gnarface | pxb: similarly, know that: if you remove a user's ability to write to *a directory* you only remove their ability to ADD OR REMOVE files from the directory; they could still (said individual file permissions permitting) alter the contents of individual files |
| 04:30.48 | relipse | how do I set up a ssh user that i can log in without a password? |
| 04:31.18 | pxb | I _think_ I understand. |
| 04:31.53 | gnarface | pxb: experimentation helps |
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| 04:32.02 | squisher | relipse, man ssh-keygen |
| 04:32.07 | kristijonas | Also, mp4 videos do not play on browsers. |
| 04:32.13 | gnarface | pxb: just you know... not on anything important ;) |
| 04:32.22 | pxb | Heh. |
| 04:32.43 | gnarface | pxb: in answer to the last question; no its not pointless if you don't trust those users |
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| 04:33.12 | pxb | It's a single-user machine so I'm not too worried about that, just thought I'd ask. |
| 04:33.17 | gnarface | pxb: also if you host other services that may be less secure, you wouldn't want them to necessarily access this either. its not pointless at all, but keep in mind the user the webserver runs as *does* still need read access |
| 04:33.23 | squisher | relipse, so in a nutshell: use ssh keys. The recommended method is to use a key, and an ssh agent so you don't have to type it in all the time |
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| 04:34.16 | kristijonas | how to fix this issue? |
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| 04:34.51 | pxb | gnarface: And that's why you're using the 5 in 2775. |
| 04:35.02 | pxb | But overwriting sensitive whatever to 0660. |
| 04:35.09 | pxb | So the HTTPd can read the things it should be allowed to read. |
| 04:35.15 | squisher | kristijonas, sound issues are not easy to debug, but for starters try to quit skype and see if the sound works then |
| 04:35.18 | pxb | But not the password databases. |
| 04:35.40 | gnarface | pxb: exactly |
| 04:35.48 | pxb | Ha, you've been a wonderful help. |
| 04:35.50 | pxb | Thank you so much! |
| 04:36.21 | gnarface | pxb: no problem. spread this info around. everyone who touches a linux console wants for this knowledge (even if they don't know it) |
| 04:36.28 | kristijonas | squisher: it does not. |
| 04:36.44 | pxb | When I learn things like this I write up notes and I'll be sure to publish them eventually. |
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| 04:37.18 | squisher | kristijonas, and you're sure you quit skype and didn't just minimize it? |
| 04:37.40 | kristijonas | squisher, yes, killed the proccess with killall -9 skype. |
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| 04:38.22 | squisher | kristijonas, you should try to avoid kill -9, unless a regular kill really isn't enough |
| 04:38.57 | squisher | kill -9 may result in the kernel cleaning up properly after the process |
| 04:39.22 | pxb | This may be useful: http://pthree.org/2012/08/14/appropriate-use-of-kill-9-pid/ |
| 04:39.33 | kristijonas | squisher, anyways, skype isn't set to run on startup, and still all applications using sounds work, except for browsers. |
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| 04:40.57 | kristijonas | gnarface, my question wasn't related to skype. but Debian, and sound issues. |
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| 04:41.59 | gnarface | kristijonas: specific to debian, the first thing you're gonna need to figure out is whether you're using pulseaudio, oss, or just alsa |
| 04:42.28 | kristijonas | gnarface, okay. how do I do it? |
| 04:43.13 | kristijonas | gnarface, i am using the one Debian has with Debian Squeeze. |
| 04:43.14 | gnarface | kristijonas: once you got that part working then you need to know the name of your audio device and make sure skype has it selected in ... whatever option panel its selectable in (i don't use skype so i can't help you with that) and make sure all your stuff is unmuted |
| 04:43.50 | gnarface | kristijonas: try this command: ps aux |grep pulse |
| 04:43.51 | kristijonas | gnarface, i have no issues with skype. |
| 04:44.12 | kristijonas | gnarface, ok, make use I need no help with skype. |
| 04:44.12 | gnarface | kristijonas: and this command: dpkg -l |grep pulse -i |
| 04:44.26 | kristijonas | make sure* |
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| 04:45.50 | kristijonas | gnarface, http://paste.debian.net/248386/ |
| 04:46.38 | gnarface | kristijonas: you're definitely using pulseaudio. i don't know pulseaudio either. |
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| 04:47.02 | squisher | I think if you install recommended packages, as squeeze does by default, then pulseaudio gets pulled in quickly... |
| 04:47.13 | gnarface | squisher: i think gnome requires it |
| 04:47.22 | kristijonas | gnarface, how can you not know that if that's by default? |
| 04:47.34 | squisher | kristijonas, browsers are annoying because what plays the sound? very often it's flash |
| 04:47.49 | squisher | google pulseaudio flash debian -- that hopefully will point you at the issue |
| 04:48.09 | gnarface | kristijonas: because its not by default; nothing is by default in debian, really |
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| 04:49.16 | kristijonas | gnarface, we are not gonna fight about it. I just installed Debian Squeeze 6.0.6 and wasn't really playing with any sound configuration, so pulse is by default. |
| 04:49.50 | gnarface | kristijonas: by not installing a window manager you don't get it you see? by choosing other window managers you might not either. i've just always specifically avoided it because i'm used to using alsa alone. |
| 04:50.38 | gnarface | kristijonas: or perhaps by luck because of my choice of window managers... |
| 04:50.40 | kristijonas | gnarface, again we are not gonna fight about it, and since pulse is by default, and it used to work properly, I want to have it working and help with that. |
| 04:51.06 | gnarface | kristijonas: ok so you're saying it used to work properly in skype? |
| 04:51.26 | gnarface | kristijonas: since you noticed it wasn't working in skype, have you tested anything else? |
| 04:51.27 | kristijonas | gnarface, i need no help with skype |
| 04:51.35 | squisher | gnarface, his issue is the browser, not skype |
| 04:51.54 | gnarface | squisher: is skype a web app? |
| 04:52.05 | gnarface | squisher: its flash? |
| 04:52.09 | kristijonas | gnarface, let's not talk about skype. |
| 04:53.38 | kristijonas | i pointed out skype only because I thought that only skype works properly with sounds, but I tested out vlc, and other problems. so all application (including skype) works fine, except for browsers. |
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| 04:53.48 | kristijonas | programs* |
| 04:54.28 | squisher | kristijonas, what webpage do you use to test the sound? |
| 04:54.55 | gnarface | kristijonas: dpkg -l |grep oss -i |
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| 04:55.45 | kristijonas | squisher, youtube. but also, interesting part is that even webpage with <video> and <audio> (which I personally programed) do not work either (it used to work before). |
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| 04:56.25 | gnarface | kristijonas: i know alsa sometimes has problems sharing the hardware for many types of common soundcards these days (especially onboard ones) |
| 04:57.07 | squisher | kristijonas, youtube usually is flash, but it can be html5 (if you set it), so they may be separate issues |
| 04:57.43 | kristijonas | gnarface, but i didn't really make any changes recently, only installed a few games yesterday from the software center. |
| 04:57.49 | gnarface | kristijonas: i don't know if pulseaudio works around this elegantly or not but some programs on your system (including flash) historically have a history of having this problem in default configurations. if flash does not use pulseaudio (no idea really) you'd be still subject to that limitation of the default configuration |
| 04:58.01 | gnarface | kristijonas: so it may be literally just about what order you start the programs |
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| 04:58.30 | squisher | kristijonas, my guess is pulseaudio is screwing you over, do a grep pulseaudio /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 04:58.33 | gnarface | kristijonas: your window manager can contend for it as well if it is configured to make sound effects... |
| 04:58.39 | squisher | probably your games pulled in pulseaudio |
| 04:59.10 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 04:59.19 | Alin` | hy |
| 04:59.40 | kristijonas | squisher, so what you are saying pulseaudio wasn't installed before (only after I installed games)? |
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| 05:00.00 | squisher | kristijonas, that's my guess |
| 05:00.37 | kristijonas | squisher, again, isn't that by default, when you install Debian Squeeze? |
| 05:00.40 | squisher | but check the logs, they'll tell you when it was installed |
| 05:00.42 | squisher | no |
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| 05:01.33 | kristijonas | squisher, so alsa mixer is by default? |
| 05:01.40 | jmcnaught | kristijonas: it could be that pulseaudio is using the soundcard, and firefox is trying to use it through via ALSA? there are instructions on the pulseaudio website for making an .asoundrc to make pulse audio the default "soundcard" for any application trying to use ALSA to make sound |
| 05:01.43 | gnarface | nothing is by default in debian, everything hinges on a package dependency of a package dependency of [ .... ] tracing back to what you selected on install. you may not have realized all the options you really had when you made them but its important to know that also none of them were immutable or permanent |
| 05:01.51 | Bonez | How can I get pbuilder/pdebuild to ignore .git/ directories? I remember seeing something about it but can't for the life of me find it again |
| 05:02.37 | kristijonas | gnarface, do you understand what I mean, when I say "by default"? |
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| 05:03.18 | gnarface | kristijonas: i do and i'm trying to correct you and so is squisher but we're both apparently failing |
| 05:03.24 | squisher | kristijonas, gnarface is trying to explain it in detail. The short version is: by installing a desktop environment you pull in the alsa dependency |
| 05:03.43 | squisher | if you didn't install a DE, in a server for example, you won't end up with any sound system at all |
| 05:04.15 | kristijonas | squisher, okay. can I just remove pulseaudio? |
| 05:04.48 | gnarface | hmm. something pulled pulseaudio in on me a few months back now that i'm thinking of it. (not a squeeze install, but it was an already installed system) and it wasn't a window manager. it might have been vlc or some vlc plugin |
| 05:05.01 | gnarface | in the end i ripped it out with pliers |
| 05:05.07 | squisher | kristijonas, apt-get remove pulseaudio, then check what it wants to remove. If it is only pulseaudio stuff, and nothing else you need, then you can just remove it |
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| 05:05.23 | squisher | gnarface, that's what I did last time, too ;-) |
| 05:05.33 | squisher | I may try to go back and install it sometime soon though |
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| 05:05.48 | squisher | sometimes the failed device sharings are annoying |
| 05:06.05 | kristijonas | squisher, pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-x11 |
| 05:06.08 | gnarface | they are but i'm so used to working around that now it doesn't matter anymore and i like the control, but |
| 05:06.13 | squisher | kristijonas, all clear |
| 05:06.19 | squisher | go and nuke it |
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| 05:06.26 | squisher | it's probably wise to reboot afterwards |
| 05:06.36 | gnarface | the only thing i really hear credible about pulseaudio is that its supposed to do mixing and resampling much better (in terms of sound *quality*) |
| 05:06.49 | gnarface | i don't think any of my gear or my media is hi-fi enough for it to matter for me though |
| 05:06.50 | squisher | gnarface, really? I didn't know that |
| 05:07.16 | kristijonas | let me reboot the system and check if that helped. |
| 05:07.33 | jmcnaught | a while ago i was trying to get the network features working in pulseaudio. i was hoping to play music from all the computers in the house. i couldn't figure it out though |
| 05:07.48 | pxb | One last question, just to confirm I'm understanding something. If someone else owns a directory -- /home/billy/test -- that's set to 0755, we can't make/modify things due to only having read/execute permissions and not write permissions. However, if a sub-directory inside of it is set to 0777, we can, as we now have write permissions, but _only_ because we have execute permissions for its parent directories ("/", "/home", and "billy")? |
| 05:07.57 | squisher | jmcnaught, their docs suck, unfortunately... I was trying to set up a virtual sound card and failed too |
| 05:08.04 | gnarface | squisher: yea that's what they say but i also just hard wire all my alsa stuff to 48000khz anyway |
| 05:08.08 | pxb | only because we also have execute* |
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| 05:08.22 | gnarface | er, 48000hz whatever |
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| 05:09.47 | gnarface | pxb: yes you are correct i think |
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| 05:09.57 | pxb | Wonderful. |
| 05:10.01 | gnarface | pxb: beware symlinks though |
| 05:10.02 | jmcnaught | squisher: one day i'll figure it out. my n900 apparently uses pulseaudio, so apparently it can work |
| 05:10.11 | pxb | gnarface: What do you mean? |
| 05:10.32 | pxb | I'm aware that symlinks themselves show up as 0777. |
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| 05:11.11 | gnarface | pxb: if you're using that to make a place that's safe for the web users to upload to that's underneath the web docroot then you need to make sure they can't sneak a symlink in there because they could say, point it to your password files (the ones only the web server user is supposed to be able to read) |
| 05:11.21 | gnarface | pxb: kerblam, rooted |
| 05:11.26 | kristijonas | squisher, thank you, removing pulseaudio helped :) |
| 05:11.56 | squisher | kristijonas, blame closed source flash... though closed source skype seems to be doing alright ;-) |
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| 05:12.35 | gnarface | pxb: yes of course they would need to know where those files ARE but many of such files are in predictable locations, especially if you're using a 3rd party web framework |
| 05:13.11 | gnarface | pxb: so just, you know... be real careful about what you let people put IN there. not everything is safe to allow in there for the server *or* any web clients that might read it later) |
| 05:13.55 | kristijonas | squisher, isn't that you who said that it's possible to configure youtube to use HTML5? |
| 05:14.01 | kristijonas | instead of Flash? |
| 05:14.26 | gnarface | kristijonas: he's right but it only works for firefox and videos without ads |
| 05:14.35 | squisher | kristijonas, yes. If you are logged in you can change that in the settings somewhere |
| 05:14.44 | gnarface | youtube.com/html5 |
| 05:15.04 | gnarface | but i tried it in opera and it just pretends you can't support html6 |
| 05:15.07 | gnarface | i mean html5* |
| 05:15.47 | gnarface | probably only works in firefox and chrome but i didn't try in IE |
| 05:15.52 | jmcnaught | kristijonas: if you don't want flash you could try the firefox add-on unplug. it downloads videos and you can play them in VLC, MPlayer etc |
| 05:16.05 | jmcnaught | not the most convenient though |
| 05:16.29 | kristijonas | jmcnaught, i;m using Chrome |
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| 05:16.55 | jmcnaught | kristijonas: sorry didn't notice. there might be a port |
| 05:16.59 | kristijonas | gnarface, I clicked on "Join the HTML5 Trial" on the link you sent. |
| 05:17.36 | kristijonas | gnarface, it seems that now it'll be using HTML5, right? |
| 05:17.54 | gnarface | kristijonas: i noticed that when it failed back to flash it didn't do so with any real warning, i had to identify that it had failed back to flash by right-clicking on it and looking for the signature ugly little menu |
| 05:18.23 | gnarface | kristijonas: (on the videos themselves) but let me know how it works for you |
| 05:18.33 | pxb | gnarface: Not sure if I'm following you (sorry). You're talking about, say, a PHP script needing write permissions for a directory in /var/www that lets people upload files? Someone sneaking a symlink in to a password file in a predictable location that way? |
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| 05:20.08 | gnarface | pxb: yea or like, via scp or an ftp server if you were to expose that directory to the public in those manners too. its a common approach (and therefore a common security hole) so i thought i'd warn you in case you might be planning something similar. |
| 05:20.14 | kristijonas | gnarface, as it says "Videos with ads are not supported (they will play in the Flash player)", so HTML5 works fine with videos without ads. :) |
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| 05:20.51 | gnarface | kristijonas: i had trouble finding any |
| 05:20.58 | pxb | gnarface: I believe I understand. Thanks again for being pateint. I think it's time for me to sleep now. Nighty night! |
| 05:21.03 | gnarface | kristijonas: (without ads that is) |
| 05:21.21 | gnarface | pxb: no problem. 'night. |
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| 05:21.35 | kristijonas | gnarface, I can send you one :)) |
| 05:22.09 | gnarface | kristijonas: nah its not important. the problem is all the good stuff has ads. |
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| 05:25.43 | kristijonas | gnarface, not necessary, but it's fine, thank you for the link, now I can test out HTML5 with YouTube.:) |
| 05:26.48 | gnarface | kristijonas: no problem |
| 05:27.45 | gnarface | pxb: uh... one more thing that might help on the symlink issue: symlinks actually effectively inherit the permissions of the file they point to; their own permissions i think aren't even used. |
| 05:28.22 | gnarface | pxb: and they ignore umask, etc |
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| 05:36.22 | lasers | Hi. I'm having issues with iceweasel-beta (on wheezy). I'm trying to install/update the package (but it had some outdated packages out of its experimental realm). Any solution/thoughts? |
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| 06:07.21 | relipse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:14.19 | dragon__ | /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 06:15.26 | ectospasm | relipse: use ssh-copy-id to copy it to the remote system |
| 06:15.46 | ectospasm | of course, if the sshd on the remote system isn't listening on port 22, it won't work. |
| 06:17.52 | apm1 | ectospasm, hello :) |
| 06:18.00 | ectospasm | how goes? |
| 06:19.00 | apm1 | fine here |
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| 06:19.25 | apm1 | although my x120e has some dust stuck in its fan ? |
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| 06:19.52 | ectospasm | relipse: what I usually do in that case is scp the key.pub to the remote user's .ssh/, then cat key.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 06:22.32 | apm1 | ectospasm, did you have any problems with your x120e 's fan ? |
| 06:22.44 | ectospasm | not that I've noticed, no |
| 06:23.00 | apm1 | mine's fan goes loud sometimes |
| 06:23.10 | apm1 | and crashes the system |
| 06:23.24 | apm1 | it starts with the HD stopping all I/O |
| 06:23.35 | ectospasm | sounds like something is causing the CPU to be overtaxed (hence the increase in fan RPM) |
| 06:23.49 | apm1 | nah the CPU is fine |
| 06:23.57 | apm1 | its the fan blades that have dust on them |
| 06:24.03 | apm1 | thus the higher RPM |
| 06:24.22 | apm1 | not sure why the HD stops I/O and crashes the system however |
| 06:24.42 | ectospasm | Then take the thing apart and blow out the dust. |
| 06:24.56 | ectospasm | Lenovo has detailed maintenance manuals which are pretty easy to follow. |
| 06:24.57 | apm1 | haven't got canned air |
| 06:25.05 | ectospasm | want some of mine? |
| 06:25.21 | apm1 | only if you can ship it here XD |
| 06:25.49 | ectospasm | Canned air is like, what, $4 a can? I think they have it at Wal-Mart |
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| 06:26.02 | ectospasm | too late for Radio Shack here. |
| 06:26.04 | apm1 | ectospasm, can you think of any reason why the HD stops I/O ? |
| 06:26.10 | ectospasm | no |
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| 06:27.25 | apm1 | we don't have wallmart or radio shack here |
| 06:27.48 | ectospasm | ah, I forget about the international nature of this channel. |
| 06:28.29 | apm1 | irc is supposed to be international |
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| 06:41.19 | rjsalts | shouldn't we be speaking in esperanto then? |
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| 06:49.56 | ectospasm | relipse: no problem. |
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| 07:06.25 | rjsalts | relipse: that only works if you're using the defaults in sshd_config |
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| 07:22.33 | Feigrim | what should I do to install openoffice if the packages named openoffice.org install libreoffice and not openoffice? |
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| 07:26.14 | rjsalts | Feigrim: openoffice.org has been replaced with the libreoffice fork, openoffice.org packages are merely virtual packages to smooth transition to the new names |
| 07:26.47 | Feigrim | hmm ok, how do I get actual open office then? Download it from their site? |
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| 07:27.00 | Feigrim | I mean if it's not in any repo anymore |
| 07:27.14 | dokma | something is using around 30K of bandwidth on wlan0 and I can't figure out what it is.... |
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| 07:27.25 | dokma | any way to pinpoint the process that does that? |
| 07:27.31 | rjsalts | dokma: jnettop |
| 07:27.37 | dokma | thanks |
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| 07:28.23 | rjsalts | Feigrim: if you want the latest, their site, otherwise http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/openoffice.org/ |
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| 07:28.50 | Feigrim | ok thanks |
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| 07:30.06 | dokma | rjsalts: this is similar to iftop I used but it still does not show which process is doing it |
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| 07:32.27 | rjsalts | dokma: hrm. I must have remembered it wrong |
| 07:33.14 | dokma | rjsalts: nethogs? |
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| 07:35.14 | rjsalts | dokma: There is an iptables rule that can identify a userid, maybe there is per process iptables rule as well |
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| 07:35.27 | dokma | rjsalts: nethogs does it |
| 07:35.32 | dokma | shows it by pid |
| 07:35.37 | rjsalts | dokma: ah, cool |
| 07:36.07 | rjsalts | I often use netstat -p, but that doesn't get bandwidth usage |
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| 07:39.59 | dokma | rjsalts: thanks man! I appreciate your time. |
| 07:40.01 | dokma | bye |
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| 07:48.23 | qdb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:13.17 | ic_johnsson | Hello. When i try the line "myserver:/var/www/ /media/myserver-www nfs defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab and try mount -a I get to a blank line and the marker is just blinking (like if if wants a password or something). "myserver" is another debian machine |
| 08:13.34 | ic_johnsson | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:15.11 | ic_johnsson | same with "sudo mount -t nfs myserv:/var/www/ /media/myserv-www -o defaults" |
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| 08:16.46 | joschi | hi! which dhcp client is being used when a kernel boots from an initramdisk (created with initramfs-tools)? |
| 08:17.29 | ChrisH | ic_johnsson: Looks like not all NFS related process are running. Please paste on paste.debian.net the folloing commands incl. their output. rpcinfo -p ; rpcinfo -p myserv ; showmount -e myserv |
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| 08:18.27 | ic_johnsson | ChrisH: I will. Quick question - do I need the nfs-kernal-server? |
| 08:18.59 | ChrisH | ic_johnsson: nfs-kern_e_l-server is needed on myserv but the outoput shpuld show us what is missing. |
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| 08:21.18 | joschi | ah, should probably be udhcpc. |
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| 08:23.54 | ic_johnsson | ChrisH: you got the link in priv |
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| 08:25.44 | ic_johnsson | now it says mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting myserv:/var/www (after installing nfs-kernel-server) |
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| 08:27.42 | ic_johnsson | ChrisH: I did not have showmount program, nor did I find the package for it |
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| 08:28.32 | ChrisH | ic_johnsson: pastelinks should be shown in public to allow more people to check and comment. I will have a look |
| 08:28.59 | ic_johnsson | ChrisH: I see. I did not know how vulnerable this information is though |
| 08:29.59 | ChrisH | ic_johnsson: nfs-common: /sbin/showmount |
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| 08:30.34 | ChrisH | ic_johnsson: rpcinfo looks OK. showmount should be installed |
| 08:31.31 | ic_johnsson | ChrisH: yes, sudo showmount worked. Shows an empty list of exports though |
| 08:32.06 | ic_johnsson | http://paste.debian.net/248397/ here's the info that rpcinfo -p gave me (as well as rpcinfo -p myserv) |
| 08:32.28 | ChrisH | ic_johnsson: then you did not export anything on the serverside. check /etc/exports on myserv |
| 08:33.22 | ic_johnsson | ChrisH: I see. I did not know about this file. Thanks - I think I will manage from here |
| 08:33.59 | ChrisH | ic_johnsson: OK. Good luck. and come back in case of issues. |
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| 08:37.26 | ic_johnsson | ChrisH: thanks. Got it working |
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| 08:38.33 | BadCodSmell | My screen goes into power save, I want it to never do this but it does. |
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| 08:38.56 | BadCodSmell | How can I testto find out why it might currently be blanked up? |
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| 08:41.16 | jpw | BadCodSmell: are you usin an X server? |
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| 08:43.52 | qdb | ectospasm, pm-suspend doesn't work |
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| 08:44.43 | ectospasm | qdb: does it have a return value? |
| 08:44.53 | qdb | no |
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| 08:45.36 | qdb | ectospasm, how to know that ? i thought it is echoed value |
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| 08:45.56 | ectospasm | echo $? will give it's return value just after running it. |
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| 08:46.36 | qdb | ectospasm, 1 |
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| 08:47.02 | ectospasm | then it failed, and "1" is the most basic level. Check dmesg to see if there are any hints. |
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| 08:47.54 | franco00 | I would like to control my laptop LED to blink when a mail is received. I wrote a simple script to check mail and report back but I don't know wheter it is possible to 'make the LED blink'. Is there something like that? Should I contact my laptop manufacturer? |
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| 08:48.25 | hrobt | hi |
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| 08:49.59 | hrobt | I have one onboard ATI and a pci nvidia card |
| 08:50.29 | hrobt | Im finding that I cant use a 3D desktop when I have both drivers in use. |
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| 08:51.33 | hrobt | in any case I only want the xwindow system to run on the ati onboard card,... I only want the nvidia card with driver loaded but no desktop |
| 08:51.47 | hrobt | can I configure this somewhere? |
| 08:52.03 | hrobt | are two graphics cards simultaneously allowed? |
| 08:53.03 | jpw | hrobt: i would be supprised if you cant use 2 drivers symoltaniously/independantly however your case is outside my realm of knowledge. |
| 08:54.01 | qdb | ectospasm, nothing in dmesg |
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| 08:54.51 | ectospasm | qdb: I dunno, suspend just works for me... are you using squeeze, wheezy, or sid? |
| 08:55.07 | qdb | squeeze |
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| 08:55.22 | hrobt | jpw: yeah surprising, and thought I would be able to tell xorg hey just use this ATI driver here, leave the other one alone. |
| 08:55.34 | ChrisH | franco00: I would check google for debian/Linux special for your laptop. |
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| 08:56.05 | hrobt | jpw: I read there is no xorg.conf anymore |
| 08:56.21 | jpw | there isn't?! |
| 08:56.27 | ectospasm | there isn't by default |
| 08:56.31 | franco00 | it's an efika smartbook, I will ask on their boards ChrisH I suppose. Thanks |
| 08:56.32 | ectospasm | ...but you can set one. |
| 08:57.17 | jpw | i tend not to use X it confuses the hell outof me. Pure cli ftw! |
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| 08:58.43 | BadCodSmell | jpw: it uses X11 yes |
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| 08:59.08 | BadCodSmell | jpw: There are a number of possible solutions but I want to find out why it is actually doing it |
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| 08:59.47 | BadCodSmell | I keep seeing 10 different things to try |
| 08:59.50 | BadCodSmell | everywhere |
| 09:00.03 | BadCodSmell | I know gnome screen saver is off and dpms |
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| 09:00.16 | BadCodSmell | But surely there must be some kind of diagnostic... |
| 09:00.58 | BadCodSmell | IE, how can I find out where/what level the screen is blanked out |
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| 09:06.17 | hrobt | isnt it time for having some configuartion tools for xorg, I really dont think Im qualified to dig into the xorg manual and set those files under X11. |
| 09:06.34 | hrobt | must be something more userfrendly that can be done. |
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| 09:07.10 | hrobt | xorg is kinda an important part of my linux :S |
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| 09:09.33 | Lachezar | Hello all... |
| 09:09.47 | Lachezar | Anyone having problems with 3.5.0-27 and Intel video cards? |
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| 09:22.17 | megha | if i want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy i should do it as root or normal user ? |
| 09:22.43 | ectospasm | as root, but there may be problems |
| 09:22.55 | megha | ectospasm: ok |
| 09:23.31 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell megha -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 09:28.25 | megha | ectospasm: that's informative :) |
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| 09:28.50 | ectospasm | hopefully (-; |
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| 09:38.12 | markvandenborre | hi! I'm looking for a tool to copy contacts from a csv file to my gsm sim card |
| 09:38.40 | markvandenborre | I've seen monosim, and used it in the past on a ubuntu workstation |
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| 09:38.57 | markvandenborre | but it's quite heavy mono code, and there are no .debs available |
| 09:39.14 | markvandenborre | is there anything similar on debian, somewhat more lightweight if possible? |
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| 09:40.12 | jpw | markvandenborre: the last time I did that I used a small python script and the AT command set for a seimens TC65 GSM module. |
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| 09:41.15 | markvandenborre | jpw: in other words: not some ready made piece of code that I can just feed a csv file to and be done with? |
| 09:41.25 | jpw | markvandenborre: if you think this will help I can dig out the script for you as a starting point. |
| 09:41.28 | markvandenborre | have you got any source? |
| 09:41.34 | markvandenborre | that would be nice, thx |
| 09:41.39 | jpw | ok give me a mo |
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| 09:45.20 | Kilgore | i've got a problem with a debian box; it recently started auto-restarting |
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| 09:45.51 | Kilgore | i searched the logs and i see nothing indicating the cause of the restart |
| 09:46.10 | Kilgore | any ideas where i could look further? |
| 09:46.13 | Kilgore | thx in advance |
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| 09:46.46 | petemc | checked psu? |
| 09:47.19 | Kilgore | can't do that; it's a server at a data center in another country :) |
| 09:47.28 | Kilgore | but i bet it's not hardware |
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| 09:47.37 | Kilgore | i recently had problems with fsck |
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| 09:48.02 | Kilgore | so i booted in rescue mode, let fsck fix them |
| 09:48.21 | Kilgore | it complained about blocks being in use by more than one inode |
| 09:48.28 | Kilgore | (ie., cross-linked files in DOS lingo) |
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| 09:48.50 | Kilgore | i've reinstalled all the debian packages from the repos |
| 09:48.54 | Kilgore | they're ok now |
| 09:49.08 | Kilgore | but it can obviously be something in some data file |
| 09:49.15 | Kilgore | (eg., postgres or mysql) |
| 09:49.20 | jpw | markvandenborre: paste.debian.net/248409 |
| 09:49.45 | Kilgore | the question is if i can get some error/log.. something |
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| 09:51.08 | dokma | what are these things in nethogs? |
| 09:51.28 | dokma | 0 root ..1.2:22-218.202.3.76:53264 |
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| 09:51.46 | dokma | no pid and strange process names |
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| 09:51.52 | dokma | is that something from the kernel? |
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| 09:51.54 | petemc | Kilgore: did you examine syslog entries prior to last boot? |
| 09:52.35 | Kilgore | yeah. nothing |
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| 09:53.37 | Kilgore | i'll rebuild the postgres database cluster and same with mysql |
| 09:53.48 | Kilgore | other than that, i don't know what else to do |
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| 10:00.13 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 10:02.35 | sKeiths | in nautilus, when i try to copy files it errors out saying I dont have permission. I am a sudoer, how can I get it to ask me for password instead of just failing |
| 10:03.04 | ShapeShifter499 | how would I identify multiple ssh keys? for instance I want to be able to assign an ssh key to "tablet A", "netbook A", and "laptop B" for access to "laptop A" which stays at home, in case any of those gets stolen I want to know which key was which so I may remove it from "authorized keys" |
| 10:03.15 | markvandenborre | jpw: thx |
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| 10:04.30 | Phil-Work | ShapeShifter499, the last bit is a comment |
| 10:04.59 | Phil-Work | e.g. ssh-rsa keyhere phil@linux.local |
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| 10:07.18 | ShapeShifter499 | Phil-Work, ah |
| 10:07.49 | ShapeShifter499 | Phil-Work, thanks |
| 10:07.53 | markvandenborre | jpw: I think you might have misunderstood the question |
| 10:08.04 | markvandenborre | I don't want to send sms from my debian box or something |
| 10:08.11 | markvandenborre | I have contact data on my debian box |
| 10:08.21 | markvandenborre | and I want to copy it to a sim that is in a card reader |
| 10:08.34 | markvandenborre | (the card reader works fine) |
| 10:09.01 | jpw | i know, but the principle is the same for devices that use AT command set. |
| 10:09.34 | jpw | as presented the script is a starting point for your own solution. |
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| 10:10.40 | markvandenborre | well thank you anyway, even if I don't see the relevance (that might say more about me than about your suggestion ) |
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| 10:16.27 | babilen | sKeiths: You can run nautilus with gksu/gksudo -- I don't think there is a "acquire privileges for current action via gksu/gksudo if necessary" functionality, but you could check that. |
| 10:17.11 | histo | sKeiths: pkexec? |
| 10:17.24 | sKeiths | i don't know what that is |
| 10:17.28 | babilen | sKeiths: If you use gksu/gksudo make sure the configuration of sudo-mode in gconf is to your wishes (sudo-mode=TRUE == "will use sudo and ask user password", ..=FALSE == "will ask for root pwd") |
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| 10:20.06 | sKeiths | histo: thanks. nautilus is not able to do what I seek, thats acceptable answer. I need to elevate whole nautilus session , not single action. |
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| 10:33.19 | e-anima | i restarted my debain: still: Unexpected error: Error renaming temporary file: Text file busy |
| 10:33.27 | e-anima | using gedit. |
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| 10:35.02 | mastro | my debian box recently started going slow to the point where video was freezed while I heavily use the disk. I immediately tough of a DMA issue but this is strange.. it never happened before and I didn't changed anything in my system. suggestions? |
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| 10:36.18 | histo | mastro: IO errors? |
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| 10:39.17 | mastro | histo, probably not. I do not see anything suspicious in dmesg while this happened |
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| 10:41.35 | mastro | histo, this is the hdparm for the disk: http://pastebin.ca/2353554 -- I think DMA should work |
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| 10:44.24 | mastro | histo, seems like *udma6 is currently used |
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| 10:46.40 | qdb | hello. suspend do not work. debian squeeze gnome. pm-suspend also do not work. nothing in messages, syslog, dmesg. /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend && echo $? : no answer, i do not see 0. upower -d | grep 'can-' : yes and yes. http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend : ... Debian Squeeze (6.0) TBD Debian Lenny (5.0) ... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_announced , http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TBD ). |
| 10:46.44 | qdb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.58 | qdb | squeeze |
| 10:47.20 | qdb | pm-suspend returns 1 |
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| 10:50.22 | pnukeid | hello there. |
| 10:51.17 | pnukeid | i just want to ask about open port 31337 (Elite) is my server is being hacked ? |
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| 10:52.53 | petemc | pnukeid: lsof -i :31337 2 |
| 10:53.00 | petemc | erm, remove trailing 2 |
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| 10:54.18 | pnukeid | petemc : i got this --> portsentr 1826 root 40u IPv4 5925 0t0 TCP *:31337 (LISTEN) |
| 10:54.19 | e-anima | i thought strg+c kills a shell script completely? is that so or am i wrong? meaning do commands like ftp .. continue in the background? |
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| 10:54.38 | petemc | pnukeid: did you install something like portsentry? |
| 10:55.07 | pnukeid | it's look like i ve been installing portsentry ? |
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| 10:55.13 | petemc | yes |
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| 10:55.41 | damarusama | Hi there, I was wondering why debian is on glibc13 and if there is a way to use an app that uses glibc15 (downloading and pointing to these libs instead) - since I know upgrading to the experimental glibc with pining would be a pain |
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| 10:56.08 | pnukeid | petemc : but is ok ? |
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| 10:57.11 | petemc | pnukeid: its your machine, you can install whatever you please |
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| 10:58.47 | pnukeid | petemc : i mean why when i scan using nmap it's says 31337 (Elite), but with lsof , displaying a portsentry ? |
| 10:59.11 | petemc | pnukeid: dpkg -l portsentry |
| 10:59.44 | histo | !tell histo about portsentry |
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| 11:00.41 | pnukeid | petemc : ii portsentry 1.2-12 Portscan detection daemon |
| 11:00.48 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell histo -about self-tell |
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| 11:02.39 | pnukeid | petemc : it mean 31337 it's open by portsentry ? |
| 11:02.49 | petemc | yes |
| 11:02.56 | pnukeid | ooh.. |
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| 11:04.16 | pnukeid | petemc : not that, nmap says open 4000 open RemoteAnything , and i use lsof it portsentry again.. so strange port is opened on my server is open by portsentry ? |
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| 11:05.05 | petemc | pnukeid: netstat -puant , will show you which ports are opened and the services associated with them |
| 11:05.08 | petemc | ran as root.. |
| 11:05.13 | w|t | //// |
| 11:05.22 | w|t | oops, sorry |
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| 11:06.31 | pnukeid | petemc : wow that;s lot information... ;) |
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| 11:08.13 | pnukeid | petemc : with last your command i see a lot open port by portsentry.. |
| 11:08.46 | petemc | ive never used it myself |
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| 11:10.49 | gnarface | pnukeid: maybe try aptitude why portsentry? |
| 11:10.56 | pnukeid | iam actually don't know how use portsentry, just install and try from security tutorial.. |
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| 11:11.43 | pnukeid | gnarface : i don't understand ? |
| 11:12.34 | pnukeid | gnarface : Unable to find a reason to install portsentry. |
| 11:12.35 | gnarface | pnukeid: if you run this command it will tell you if anything requires portsentry (whether or not you can safely remove it without missing it): aptitude why portsentry |
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| 11:13.22 | pnukeid | gnarface : it's first i know that command :)) |
| 11:13.23 | gnarface | pnukeid: i think in that case it wasn't installed as a dependency of anything. someone installed it manually i think. you can probably safely remove it if you don't know why its there but it does beg the question of why... |
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| 11:14.35 | pnukeid | gnarface : may be my collegaue in the office installing that.. |
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| 11:15.04 | gnarface | pnukeid: you should ask probably yes |
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| 11:16.35 | pnukeid | gnarface : yeah, but i think it's ok if for hardening the server |
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| 11:19.00 | __esz | is there a way to write command on pts/0 when i'm connected to tty1 and have root access? |
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| 11:20.58 | onefish | how do I specify the output format (ELF format) of a shared lib from CFLAGS? |
| 11:21.50 | onefish | I'm trying to recompile libnuma.so.1 from the upstreams, for powerpc64, because the debian repo only provides a libnuma.so with ELFCLASS32 |
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| 11:22.38 | onefish | I have gcc-multilib and all that rubbish, and I've tried sticking -mcpu=powerpc64 all over the damn makefile with no luck |
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| 11:29.02 | noxy | hey, is there a way run my postinst script leaave root and run as normal user ? |
| 11:29.51 | jpw | su user -c /command/to/run ? |
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| 11:31.28 | noxy | i made a debian package which is run my post install script |
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| 11:31.39 | noxy | as root but i don't wanna run this script as root |
| 11:32.09 | jpw | noxy what does the script do? |
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| 11:32.27 | ectospasm | does it make sense to run any Debian package management tools as a non-root user? |
| 11:33.36 | jpw | ^ agreeing with ectospasm |
| 11:33.58 | onefish | ectospasm: sure, if you aren't installing / removing stuff then there's no need to be root |
| 11:34.15 | ectospasm | well, I agree with that |
| 11:34.17 | onefish | building packages, getting package info, searching for packages, listing installed packages, etc |
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| 11:35.48 | jpw | onefish: i think ectospasm was referring to process spawned by the `apt-get install` command. |
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| 11:36.36 | ectospasm | ...which will run the post-inst script |
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| 11:37.08 | duffduff | I am able to trigger a hang on my debian system every time the power on my external usb soundcard goes out twice, as I don't have an easy way to trigger sysrq when it happens (no serial) I was wondering how should I proceed to obtain more information about the hang and where should I report this? |
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| 11:37.09 | onefish | I'm getting some strange behavior on powerpc64, alien gripes at me if I try to build 64bit packages, and I for the life of me cannot get any gcc tool to generate a 64bit binary |
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| 11:38.15 | onefish | however, uname says it's definitely ppc64, and I have all the gcc multilib stuff (though I shouldn't need to... I'm on a 64bit system trying to compile 64bit binaries) |
| 11:38.18 | jpw | duffduff: can you trace the crash to a specific driver or package? |
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| 11:38.40 | duffduff | jpw: I can't, as it's an actual hang rather than a crash |
| 11:39.11 | onefish | unless debian on ppc is some sort of weird amorphous convolution of ppc32 and ppc64 |
| 11:39.19 | onefish | which is what it seems like sofar |
| 11:39.25 | jpw | duffduff: as in the kernel locks up completely... eep that's not good. |
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| 11:40.08 | duffduff | jpw: I can't be 100% sure, as I'm generally on an X session when it happens, but things like keyboard/mouse aren't working for sure |
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| 11:41.44 | azizLIGHTS | im using tails on debian 6, i wanna backup my files and encrypt them. how should i do this? |
| 11:42.11 | duffduff | I've tried ctrl-alt-f1..f12, alt-sysrq-{9,d,l,c} to no avail |
| 11:42.14 | jpw | duffduff: are the sysreq keys responding? is ctrl+alt+f1/f2 |
| 11:42.20 | jpw | oh |
| 11:42.55 | jpw | try this |
| 11:43.01 | noxy | jpw: ectospasm my script is copying couple of files into user's ./local directory but when i run this script as root clearly it's not working |
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| 11:44.15 | onefish | nevermind, I just got the precompiled SUSE rpm and untarred it |
| 11:44.21 | onefish | rather bothersome |
| 11:44.31 | jpw | duffduff: go in to the cli (ctrl+alt+f1) run `tail -f /var/log/dmesg` and try to reproduce the hang. Hopefully you should see the error. |
| 11:44.32 | onefish | would there be interest in a libnuma64 package? |
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| 11:45.36 | duffduff | jpw: thanks, I shall give this a try tonight, I'm currently at work |
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| 11:46.14 | Lis | Hi everyone. I look for a solution to use the intel rst with debian and mdadm |
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| 11:47.07 | amit` | hello, which debian network iso file should be installed on amd 10 5700? |
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| 11:47.47 | Lis | Howevery, if I execute mdadm --assemble --scan i get mdadm: No arrays found in config file or automatically I run debian testing |
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| 11:48.31 | Towzzer | mdadm -Es | grep md >>/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 11:48.55 | Towzzer | amit, the 64-bit one |
| 11:49.09 | Towzzer | sorry , lis |
| 11:49.10 | amit` | Towzzer: amd-64? |
| 11:49.12 | Towzzer | I didn't read your first line |
| 11:49.14 | Towzzer | yes amit |
| 11:49.28 | noxy | jpw: wew that post install script is working as i expect on ubuntu but it doesn't work on debian |
| 11:49.29 | Towzzer | lis, is intel rst the software raid fuction of the chipset? |
| 11:49.31 | amit` | Thanks Towzzer |
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| 11:50.16 | amit` | Towzzer: Does debian have full support for latest amd APUs and on chip graphics like the 7000 series? |
| 11:50.26 | Towzzer | I don't now |
| 11:50.30 | Towzzer | know* |
| 11:50.45 | Lis | Towzzer, exactly the bios raid to be specific. I have two hdds in my notebook one ssd and one hdd. The rst raid allows me to use the ssd "before" the hdd so that the ssd is used as cache |
| 11:50.57 | Lis | Towzzer, or fake raid as i hope it is called |
| 11:51.10 | Lis | but i find no tutorials or anything on how to enable it |
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| 11:51.43 | Lis | only the one with "Mdadm --assemble --scan" but that fails aready |
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| 11:51.55 | Towzzer | I didn't know that was possible |
| 11:51.58 | Lis | and i can not access the rst bios with ctrl+i |
| 11:52.07 | Towzzer | md is it's own raid system |
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| 11:52.17 | flux242 | hi, how can I switch from a login terminal to see the boot messages? |
| 11:52.33 | Towzzer | flux, without logging in? |
| 11:52.36 | flux242 | yes |
| 11:52.43 | Towzzer | that's not possible as far as I know |
| 11:52.47 | Towzzer | that would be a security flaw |
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| 11:53.09 | flux242 | something has failed I want to know what |
| 11:53.14 | Towzzer | login |
| 11:53.20 | Towzzer | and do dmesg |
| 11:53.33 | Lis | flux242, use remote monitoring software designed for exactly that purpose :) |
| 11:53.45 | Towzzer | lis - try dmraid |
| 11:54.02 | Towzzer | it lets you manage software raid devices |
| 11:54.05 | Towzzer | if supported |
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| 11:54.26 | Lis | can mdadm and dmraid be installed booth at the same time ? |
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| 11:54.43 | CybDev | yes, they are separate systems |
| 11:54.59 | Towzzer | yes but mdadm doesn't manage dmraid devices |
| 11:55.23 | flux242 | dmesg doesn't really help. There are more than one failed messages |
| 11:55.35 | flux242 | and only one red string during bood |
| 11:55.38 | flux242 | boot |
| 11:55.47 | CybDev | dmraid is typically for "hardware" raid, like the ones found on cheap intel chipset motherboards etc |
| 11:56.04 | Towzzer | flux, check the syslog /var/log/syslog |
| 11:56.13 | CybDev | also cheap highpoint/marvell based "hardware" cards |
| 11:56.35 | flux242 | can I stop booting before it switches to a terminal promt& |
| 11:56.36 | flux242 | ? |
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| 11:58.20 | Lis | flux242, you can just login, and after that you can not execute a shell or anything. or another programm. if that is what you meant |
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| 11:58.27 | petn-randall | flux242: I don't think so. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 11:58.49 | flux242 | just to read the damn red failed message |
| 11:58.55 | Towzzer | login and read the log |
| 11:59.07 | Towzzer | everything that linux shows on the screen when you boot is in a file somewhere |
| 11:59.19 | CybDev | really? |
| 11:59.20 | Towzzer | hi mister petn-randall |
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| 11:59.36 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.37 | Lis | and read your distributions manual... would be whise also. anyway go to /var/log for log files |
| 11:59.37 | CybDev | i was fairly certain the early userspace part did not get logged |
| 11:59.45 | petn-randall | flux242: login and there's a plethora of log files in /var/log/. |
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| 11:59.52 | CybDev | unless you use a serial console or similar |
| 12:00.18 | azizLIGHTS | on a restricted debian system, what tools can i use to encrypt or password protect my files |
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| 12:00.28 | Towzzer | gpg |
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| 12:01.00 | babilen | CybDev: That is correct |
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| 12:01.22 | babilen | dpkg: bootlogd |
| 12:01.22 | dpkg | bootlogd (provided by sysvinit-utils in Debian 6.0 "Squeeze") is used to record boot messages, it is not a command (as opposed to dmesg). bootlogd is disabled by default, set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to populate /var/log/boot. bootlogd was moved to a separate bootlogd package in Debian 7.0 "Wheezy"; to continue recording boot messages, install this package (/etc/default/bootlogd no longer exists). |
| 12:01.27 | petn-randall | azizLIGHTS: What do you exactly mean with restricted? root will still be able to read your files and passwords, assuming there's enough malicious energy. |
| 12:01.45 | azizLIGHTS | petn-randall: by restricted i mean i dont have sudo or install privileges |
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| 12:02.23 | petn-randall | azizLIGHTS: You can use gpg, but whoever controls the system ultimately controls your files. |
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| 12:02.54 | petn-randall | azizLIGHTS: If you distrust your admin, gpg won't help you that much, either. |
| 12:03.15 | azizLIGHTS | because the keypairs will be on that system where he/she is? |
| 12:03.55 | petn-randall | azizLIGHTS: Well, if you only keep the encrypted copy there, and decrypt it on your local system, that'll still maintain integrity. |
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| 12:04.24 | Towzzer | password protect the keys |
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| 12:04.36 | petn-randall | azizLIGHTS: But if you have the keys on that system and decrypt it on that system, too, the admin could simply install a keylogger for you. |
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| 12:05.34 | petn-randall | azizLIGHTS: It will still help you though, in case someone breaks into that system and between then and the detection you never decrypt those files. |
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| 12:06.20 | Lis | be back later thanks for your help |
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| 12:07.17 | azizLIGHTS | ok, im gonna investigate gpg properly. thanks for the detailed answer |
| 12:07.19 | petn-randall | azizLIGHTS: I guess it depends on your specific case. Tell us more about what your situation is. :) |
| 12:08.25 | oskie | ok, all LVM commands hang. any idea what to do besides reboot? |
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| 12:13.18 | e-anima | is it possible to run a shellscript by cron on top, i mean visible shell, so i see whats happening at the moment |
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| 12:15.04 | ChrisH | e-anima: what do you mean with "visible shell"? |
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| 12:15.50 | e-anima | i mean so i can see what currently runs. i mean manually i do ./myscript.sh and see the output. but when i run it with cron is see nothing all in the backround |
| 12:16.25 | e-anima | in my case i want to see if it currently runs the script |
| 12:16.27 | ChrisH | e-anima: cron will send you a mail with the output. check bash -xv |
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| 12:16.53 | e-anima | well that does not help. so i guess its not possible |
| 12:17.10 | shpank | e-anima: you can just run it with ./myscript.sh > output |
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| 12:17.14 | shpank | and then do a tail -f output |
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| 12:19.34 | e-anima | automated not manually |
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| 12:20.17 | e-anima | sending to > /dev/tty1 seems also a way |
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| 12:30.06 | ChrisH | e-anima: or ./myscript.sh > /tmp/output.$$ 2>&1 |
| 12:30.30 | e-anima | taht will output it to the current running shell? |
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| 12:31.04 | Lis | Would it be possible to create the raid with ssd and hdd also as software raid with mdadm ? |
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| 12:31.21 | ChrisH | e-anima: no. for a newly started process it will redirect the STDOUT and STDERR into a file. |
| 12:31.44 | brah | Is it possible to get old versions of packages? |
| 12:31.56 | brah | Looking for wine-1.1.32 specifically. There used to be this repo, lamaresh.net, but it's no longer online |
| 12:32.04 | e-anima | well writing a log is not my intention. plan was to start a shell and output everything tehere. like it works if you run it manually |
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| 12:33.04 | brah | How can I download an old version of wine? 1.1.32 specifically. |
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| 12:33.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell brah -about snapshots |
| 12:33.28 | Lis | I meant the intel rst raid with ssd and hdd, and what is this technique called (I try to use the intel rst technology to use the sdd as some sort of chaching device, but can use the full disk space of the hdd) |
| 12:33.40 | Lis | *ssd |
| 12:34.22 | ChrisH | e-anima: From what you explained, it seems not possible. |
| 12:34.41 | e-anima | ok. i guessed so. thx for confirmation :) |
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| 12:35.35 | ChrisH | e-anima: remember cron will send all output via mail what a script puts to STDOUT/STDERR |
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| 12:36.07 | Lis | anyone? Is that also possible with mdadm? |
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| 12:37.50 | Lis | without the using the intel rst stuff of course |
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| 12:52.01 | Lis | aaah it is possible |
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| 12:59.46 | schwatvogel | Lis: http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/43115iB83EA82E10A880AA/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1 |
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| 13:16.27 | miceng | OK I'm on the new one now. |
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| 13:19.43 | petn-randall | oskie: It could be that one of your PVs is defect. Check /var/log/kern.log for write timeouts and check their SMART data. |
| 13:21.32 | Lis | Ok so i found out how to create a software raid with the ssd and the hdd. But I need to create 2 partitions of the same size, is it also possible to create the buffer approach somehow? |
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| 13:22.05 | Lis | so that i can use the advantages of the bigger hdd and the speed of the ssd, without the need of moving files arround |
| 13:22.35 | petn-randall | Lis: What kind of RAID do you have? |
| 13:23.20 | Lis | petn-randall, i did setup a raid1 with write and read options |
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| 13:23.59 | Lis | but that only works if i create a parition on the hdd with the same size as my ssd |
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| 13:29.34 | osfd | Hi there, can you please help me and tell why I can't install a newer iceweasel even I follow the instruction from mozilla.debian.net ?? |
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| 13:30.33 | ectospasm | osfd: are you getting an error message of some sort? |
| 13:30.34 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 13:30.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:31.21 | osfd | ectospasm: not at all... it just install esr10 whereas I specified aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 13:31.55 | osfd | I run wheezy 64 |
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| 13:33.27 | osfd | http://bit.ly/ZA3zQP says that there is a 64 bit version... |
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| 13:34.12 | babilen | osfd: What does "apt-cache policy iceweasel" give you? |
| 13:34.34 | Libreofficer | Hello! I have a problem with kworker process on freshly installed wheezy. After sleeping on my notebook it begins to heavily eat one of cpus. |
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| 13:35.13 | Libreofficer | I want to try debug it as described in https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/workqueue.txt but not found /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/set_event file |
| 13:35.15 | osfd | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/248454/ |
| 13:35.19 | Alam_Squeeze | Libreofficer: I thought kworker was a kernel process |
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| 13:35.44 | Libreofficer | yes, it is |
| 13:36.17 | Libreofficer | but debian makes its own patches and configuration for kernel |
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| 13:37.59 | babilen | osfd: May I see the output of "apt-get -s -t experimental install iceweasel" and "apt-get -s install iceweasel=21.0~b1-1" and "apt-get -s install iceweasel/experimental" too? (just add it to the initial paste (Paste as new) and give me the new URL. |
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| 13:38.54 | babilen | osfd: If everything else fails, it should work if you remove your currently installed iceweasel package. |
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| 13:39.01 | Alam_Squeeze | Libreofficer: it shows up in 3.8-trunk-amd64 |
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| 13:41.15 | osfd | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/248458/ |
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| 13:41.55 | innmalint | Anyone want to discuss ati graphics drivers? |
| 13:42.34 | babilen | osfd: Argh, should have foreseen that. Would you mind sprinkling in a "-t experimental" into the last two commands as well? |
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| 13:42.53 | babilen | innmalint: Not really, #ati might. Would you? |
| 13:42.56 | kyr0 | http://paste.debian.net/248458/ |
| 13:43.02 | osfd | babilen: sprinkling ? |
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| 13:43.21 | osfd | babilen: adding ? |
| 13:43.28 | babilen | osfd: Well, add that option to the commands. So "apt-get -s -t experimental install iceweasel=..." and so on |
| 13:43.45 | innmalint | kyr0 nothing in depth. i'm only familiar with using nvidia's, didn't know if there was any good advice in regard to open v proprietary drivers |
| 13:43.57 | innmalint | more of a cursory thing? |
| 13:44.31 | innmalint | before i go and break my system or something like i've done with nvidia drivers |
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| 13:44.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell innmalint about fglrx dkms |
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| 13:45.11 | ispirto | hello, i'm trying to preseed. but d-i netcfg/disable_dhcp boolean true is not working. it's still getting the ip from dhcp instead of static |
| 13:45.15 | petn-randall | Lis: That setup won't work as you expect it. You've combined the slowness of the HDD with the size of a SSD. |
| 13:45.35 | babilen | innmalint: Is that what you are looking for? Also read "/msg dpkg radeon" -- I was always happy with the free radeon ones (with firmware and direct accel), but I certainly don't need much GPU power. |
| 13:45.58 | petn-randall | Lis: I think Linux 3.9 added a feature to use SSDs as cache, check that out. |
| 13:46.26 | osfd | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/248460/ |
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| 13:47.28 | innmalint | babilen: thanks for pointing me in a good direction - all i've found through google is conflicting/subjective opinions |
| 13:48.35 | babilen | innmalint: I wouldn't necessarily use the closed source drivers, but I have heard that the fglrx ones contain a little more power saving related code than the free ones. I would simply give both options a try and the free drivers certainly behave better during upgrades. |
| 13:49.12 | babilen | innmalint: Either way: /If/ you use fglrx make sure that you install them via DKMS and to use a minimal configuration file. (as detailed by the factoid the bot sent you) |
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| 13:50.08 | innmalint | correcto. i'm also learning debian (moved from xubuntu), irssi, the whole works so i'm glad you pointed that out. |
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| 13:50.59 | joschi | hi! is it possible to resize a partition using parted (or any other tool) without resizing the filesystem? it's the last partition and there's free space on the disk after it so only the end would have to move |
| 13:51.30 | babilen | osfd: Hmm, the middle command might work. Aptitude might also be able to figure it out, but I guess the easiest way around this is to remove the currently installed iceweasel package (and xulrunner!) and then simply run "apt-get -t experimental install iceweasel" |
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| 13:52.13 | osfd | babilen: ok, let's try this |
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| 13:52.34 | petn-randall | joschi: What's the point of growing the partition but not the filesystem? Sure, you can do that with parted or fdisk, if you want. |
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| 13:53.09 | joschi | petn-randall: there is no filesystem on the partition. it's encrypted with dm-crypt |
| 13:53.26 | babilen | osfd: The problem is that installing iceweasel from experimental requires the removal of other packages (namely the corresponding xulrunner one) -- You could "dist-upgrade" to experiemental (in fact the pkg-mozilla repo), but I would recommend to be explicit about this. aptitude is probably able to figure this out, but why make it more complicated if you can just be explicit. |
| 13:53.29 | joschi | petn-randall: and gparted always tries to identify a filesystem and grow it as well. of course it fails |
| 13:54.45 | petn-randall | joschi: I see. Sounds like a bug with gparted. I'm pretty sure you can do that either with fdisk or parted. |
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| 13:55.27 | joschi | petn-randall: not really since the "resize" command of parted actually is documented in exactly that way (resize partition *and* filesystem). it's just that it tries to do too much in this case ;) |
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| 13:55.53 | joschi | petn-randall: and unfortunately I didn't find a command to do it with fdisk |
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| 13:59.18 | petn-randall | joschi: I think you just remove the partition and create a new one with a bigger size. As always, make sure you have backups. |
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| 14:00.45 | osfd | !dpkg iceweasel |
| 14:00.45 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced Firefox in Debian since Etch. Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, sse gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 14:00.50 | Lis | petn-randall, https://github.com/facebook/flashcache http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/ i found out rst with smart response is not working for linux (currently) so I just reinstall debian the old "ssd home for hdd" way |
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| 14:01.05 | Lis | bcache is integrated into the 3.9 kernel |
| 14:01.08 | osfd | !dpkg iceweasel backports |
| 14:01.09 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
| 14:01.55 | petn-randall | Lis: You're looking for dm-cache in 3.9. |
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| 14:02.55 | petn-randall | Lis: I'd try that if you really want to go that way. The sdd for root, hdd for /home also works, but doesn't sound that exciting ;) |
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| 14:03.51 | Lis | yea... I think a good working ssd caching method would be great even for power saving |
| 14:04.08 | Lis | a shame that intel doesnt care about linux that much |
| 14:04.09 | ruben231 | hi guys any idea how do i resize this server setup since its full already ------------> http://pastebin.com/ztNfMnJg |
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| 14:05.11 | abrotman | Lis: they care a lot more than most companies |
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| 14:05.27 | petn-randall | Lis: Actually, Intel does care a lot about Linux. They usually have their drivers integrated in mainline before the actual hardware comes out. |
| 14:05.46 | abrotman | on top of making them OSS where they can |
| 14:06.18 | babilen | osfd: Hmm? |
| 14:06.44 | petn-randall | I think the only dark moment that pops out was some intel graphics chip ... GM 500 I think. |
| 14:06.48 | Lis | ruben231, gparted can resize partitions or disks but i cant help you with raids :D |
| 14:07.17 | osfd | babilen: does not work, because of another dependancy |
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| 14:08.15 | petn-randall | ruben231: What is your rootfs on? LVM, a HDD, ... ? |
| 14:08.20 | osfd | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/248468/ |
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| 14:09.13 | Lis | later |
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| 14:10.19 | petn-randall | osfd: Is there a reason why you pinned wheezy on > 1000? |
| 14:10.58 | jelly | really, really likes wheezy |
| 14:11.01 | babilen | osfd: Just remove the currently installed iceweasel and xulrunner package. |
| 14:11.22 | osfd | babilen: I did... |
| 14:11.25 | babilen | petn-randall: Oh, good point .. that is really not a good idea. |
| 14:11.37 | babilen | osfd: Why the pinning? |
| 14:11.55 | osfd | petn-randall: I guess something from a previous something I forgot about... |
| 14:11.56 | petn-randall | osfd: If you pin something over 1000, it'll be DOWNGRADED to that version no matter what. |
| 14:12.14 | babilen | IOW: Nothing but that version will ever be installed. |
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| 14:12.31 | osfd | petn-randall: I remember, it comes from a dmm removal... |
| 14:12.36 | petn-randall | osfd: You should only do that if you fubar'ed your system and want to get it into a semi-working state again. You shouldn't use that all the time. |
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| 14:13.13 | babilen | gets coffee |
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| 14:13.18 | osfd | petn-randall: how do I remove that ? |
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| 14:13.36 | joschi | petn-randall: I'll probably go to hell for this. removing the partition, creating a new one with same start, and after that resizing the vg and lv from the crypted volume worked |
| 14:13.39 | petn-randall | osfd: check your /etc/apt/preferences, comment out/remove those lines. |
| 14:13.53 | osfd | petn-randall: vim /etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:14.03 | babilen | for example |
| 14:14.14 | osfd | petn-randall: with a # ? |
| 14:14.36 | ruben231 | petn-randall: how do i check...???? |
| 14:14.43 | petn-randall | joschi: No, you won't :). It's pretty much the way every other partitioning tool does it. Nice to see that it worked! |
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| 14:15.20 | joschi | petn-randall: yeah, kind of. it feels too hacky :/ |
| 14:15.59 | petn-randall | osfd: Yes. Check with 'apt-cache policy iceweasel' that the change actually worked. |
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| 14:16.51 | petn-randall | ruben231: paste the output of 'mount' and 'cat /proc/mdstat' please, that'll tell us. |
| 14:17.04 | dmbaturin | Hey guys! Where do I find previous versions of packages? |
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| 14:17.10 | osfd | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/248472/ |
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| 14:17.34 | histo | !tell dmbaturin about downgrade |
| 14:18.16 | babilen | osfd: yep |
| 14:18.27 | petn-randall | osfd: The laste lines are how it is now? Looks good, re-try the apt-get command. |
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| 14:18.36 | dmbaturin | histo: I know apt doesn't support downgrade, I just need the .deb. |
| 14:18.47 | petn-randall | dmbaturin: What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:19.09 | dmbaturin | petn-randall: Get my Iceweasel 17 or whatever back. |
| 14:19.47 | dmbaturin | Any version before that was usable. |
| 14:20.04 | ruben231 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.10 | dmbaturin | * -before |
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| 14:20.51 | osfd | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.56 | babilen | ruben231: Please don't do that |
| 14:22.21 | babilen | osfd: That is "apt-get -t experimental install iceweasel" ? |
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| 14:23.34 | ruben231 | babilen: what you mean..? sorry |
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| 14:24.54 | babilen | ruben231: I am referring to your usage of "------->" and pastebin.com (which is a very crappy pastebin - use something like http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 14:26.07 | osfd | babilen: says The following packages have unmet dependencies: iceweasel : Depends: xulrunner-21.0 (>= 21.0~b1-1) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:26.29 | ruben231 | petn-randall: still there..??? |
| 14:26.30 | osfd | babilen: aptitude gives a little more |
| 14:27.10 | dmbaturin | Ok, how did those of you who are using iceweasel from backports cope with 20? |
| 14:27.16 | petn-randall | babilen: Can you make anything of ruben231's paste? I don't understand where the / is mounted from. |
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| 14:27.45 | petn-randall | dmbaturin: I installed and enjoyed it, why? |
| 14:28.16 | petn-randall | ruben231: I'm there, you don't need to ask every few minutes. This is IRC, people go away for a while sometimes. |
| 14:28.25 | petn-randall | sips some of his coffee. |
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| 14:28.37 | dmbaturin | petn-randall: You only can enjoy it if you never save files and block all flash content. |
| 14:29.18 | petn-randall | dmbaturin: Both works for me, what the problem you're having? |
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| 14:29.57 | dmbaturin | Because it hangs for a couple of minutes at saving any file. And displays parts of flash applets from a tab at all tabs (chrome doesn't have the flash problem, so it's likely iw itself). |
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| 14:30.18 | ruben231 | petn-randall: sorry |
| 14:30.25 | hrobt | hi all |
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| 14:30.48 | hrobt | is anyone familiar with setting up two graphics cards on their box? |
| 14:30.53 | hrobt | ehm linux I mean |
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| 14:31.08 | hrobt | I have one pci nvidia and one onboard ati |
| 14:31.28 | petn-randall | ruben231: I can't see where your / comes from, but if it's not resizeable, you're out of luck. |
| 14:31.33 | hrobt | I want to keep my ati for the desktop, but leave the nvidia one unused "but still with device driver loaded" |
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| 14:32.02 | petn-randall | ruben231: you can try to remove some extranuous files on /, but that'll only buy you some time since your rootfs is too small. |
| 14:32.15 | somiaj | hrobt: what does it mean to be unused but have the driver loaded? |
| 14:32.23 | petn-randall | ruben231: Try 'apt-get clean'. |
| 14:32.42 | hrobt | somiaj: I mean that I dont want xorg to pick it up as its slave |
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| 14:33.00 | somiaj | hrobt: I would look into write your own custom xorg.conf file, as that is what you are gonna need to control what devices xorg uses |
| 14:33.01 | hrobt | somiaj: I think by default xorg tries to pick up all my graphics cards. |
| 14:33.03 | histo | ATI vs. NVIDIA epic video card battles of HISTORY |
| 14:33.10 | histo | Who will win you decide |
| 14:33.20 | petn-randall | hrobt: Then why even load the driver? |
| 14:33.22 | histo | hrobt: So you don't want anything displayed on the nvidia |
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| 14:33.44 | somiaj | hrobt: the default xorg does everything with an automatic detection, so if you don't like the automatic detection you will have to write a custom xorg.conf file to tell xorg exactly what you want it to do |
| 14:33.48 | hrobt | petn-randall: somiaj histo: yeah, I dont want anything displayed on the card... Im using the nvidia for cuda! |
| 14:34.24 | petn-randall | hrobt: Then you won't get around writing your custom xorg.conf. |
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| 14:34.38 | hrobt | petn-randall: somiaj: histo: great, Ive got a lead :) thanks people! |
| 14:35.19 | hrobt | petn-randall: somiaj: histo: also I have the funny problem of gnome3 not working when I have both card drivers loaded. |
| 14:35.41 | hrobt | petn-randall: somiaj: histo: no 3d effects available or something |
| 14:35.54 | petn-randall | dmbaturin: I can't reproduce the problems you mentioned, I'm not sure if the packages that go through experimental are archived somewhere. |
| 14:36.34 | somiaj | hrobt: again figure out xorg.conf. I know xorg has some limitations with using multiple graphics cards, and not sure what. But that is your solution. You need to be very specific in xorg.conf exactly what you want loaded and used |
| 14:36.44 | hrobt | petn-randall: somiaj: histo: are there any tools for writing xorg.conf files? I notice that my linux doesnt have one by default. |
| 14:36.45 | petn-randall | hrobt: Probably one of the two drivers doesn't support HW acceleration. |
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| 14:37.17 | Washu | Can I install mariadb from apt anywhere? |
| 14:37.31 | petn-randall | hrobt: check the man page, you just have to write a section for the driver part. |
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| 14:38.14 | somiaj | hrobt: modern xorg tries to detect everything automatically. This means it is not required. Also you only need to add in the lines you need. Besides for that there is tone (some outdated) info out there and the man page to tell you your options |
| 14:38.31 | seekanet | When will wheezy be 'stable' ? |
| 14:38.38 | somiaj | hrobt: you can either have a single xorg.conf file, or you can split it up into small bits in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ files |
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| 14:39.16 | hrobt | somiaj: sweet, this sound ok, I will browse the man thanks! best advice I got today |
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| 14:39.54 | dmbaturin | petn-randall: Upd: I've just upgraded to 21, no improvement at all. |
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| 14:40.33 | petn-randall | dmbaturin: Where did you get iceweasel 21 from? It's not in Debian. |
| 14:40.47 | dmbaturin | petn-randall: From mozilla.debian.net |
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| 14:42.27 | acu | I cannot read some DVD writen many years ago - what do I need to install in debian to see them ? |
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| 14:42.52 | petn-randall | seekanet: When it's ready. In other words, when the RC bug count reaches zero. |
| 14:42.57 | nezZario | What's a nice software package I can monitor min/avg/peak usage on eth0/eth1 ? |
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| 14:43.08 | nezZario | In a machine readable way (I want to load it into a custom script) |
| 14:43.22 | nezZario | iptraf works well but it's not very machine readable |
| 14:43.47 | petn-randall | acu: A DVD drive, or if the DVD has aged, a time machine. |
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| 14:44.13 | petn-randall | nezZario: Most programming languages have bindings for that. What do you want to use it for, and in which language? |
| 14:44.20 | somiaj | acu: why cannot you not read it? Are you getting input/output errors. If the dvd is just bad, nothing you can do |
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| 14:44.53 | nezZario | you can try one of those disk doctors that polish the read-side and hope for the best |
| 14:45.08 | nezZario | sometimes they do more harm than good but if it's your only option, it can't hurt |
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| 14:45.22 | nezZario | might want to check another dvd drive as well to make sure your drive just isn't dirty/broken |
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| 14:46.10 | nezZario | petn-randall: just php, was hoping to get something just outputs data to stdout in an easy to parse way |
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| 14:46.24 | nezZario | is there nothing in /proc that gives me min/avg/peak ? |
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| 14:53.01 | jerry66 | http://xgermanamateur.blogspot.com/2013/04/taylor-rain-hottest-anal-slut-in-world.html |
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| 15:02.28 | tgs3 | hi |
| 15:02.36 | tgs3 | does debian (wheezy) install on SSD correctly? |
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| 15:02.49 | tgs3 | with proper block aligment or whatever is needed to use SSD optimally |
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| 15:05.47 | petn-randall | tgs3: Yes. |
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| 15:07.20 | nezZario | tgs3 Yeah I didn't have any problem but i've yet to find a detailed explination of what fstrim (command) / discard (in fstab) does |
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| 15:07.59 | nezZario | I think discard in fstab does essentially fstrim after each delete, but I've yet to find if fstrim blocks the disk or anything |
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| 15:08.34 | petn-randall | nezZario: Check the man page, it's documented there. |
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| 15:09.16 | nezZario | fstrim(8) dosn't say if it blocks .. it just says it discards/trims blocks which are not in use by the file system |
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| 15:10.40 | petn-randall | nezZario: It issues a TRIM to the device. It depends on the device how it copes with it. |
| 15:11.18 | tgs3 | petn-randall: nezZario it seems I should align partitions to 4096 bytes to use SSD optimally. will debian installer do that? are we sure? |
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| 15:12.00 | petn-randall | tgs3: I hate repeatedly answering the same question, but: YES, it still does. |
| 15:12.21 | nezZario | i'm not sure, but just look at err .. disklabel / fdisk .. i'm not familier with linux partitioning tools only *bsd's |
| 15:12.25 | petn-randall | tgs3: If you don't believe me, feel free to test it yourself. |
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| 15:13.28 | Mogget | Is it possible to download the sourcecode for the software in the Debian repoes using aptitude? |
| 15:13.44 | tgs3 | petn-randall: I have debian on SSD, but not sure is it done correctly |
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| 15:13.49 | hrobt | hi again |
| 15:13.52 | hrobt | just before I continue |
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| 15:14.15 | hrobt | editing a xorg.conf file... Im curious how do I check that all is ok with loading of my drivers... |
| 15:14.28 | nezZario | tgs3 you've been told twice yes it did, and even were told how to test it yourself, check your disk labels to see if they align |
| 15:14.46 | hrobt | I can see both "radeon" and "nvidia" loaded in lsmod |
| 15:14.56 | hrobt | but I also tried inxi -G |
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| 15:15.13 | hrobt | im not sure if inxi thinks everything is ok... |
| 15:15.14 | tgs3 | nezZario: ok I did, and the align is bad |
| 15:15.26 | hrobt | can i show somebody my inxi? |
| 15:15.31 | nezZario | holy crap .. dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:15.38 | nezZario | why wans't I told about this before |
| 15:15.42 | tgs3 | partitions created by squeeze installer created partition sector 1-19 , 19-262 , 262-... |
| 15:16.14 | tgs3 | nezZario: so the squeeze created it wrongly. Was the Wheezy installer changed in this area since last version and allows 8-sector aligned? |
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| 15:16.58 | nezZario | honestly.. no idea, and I would be willing to make a small bet that it did make them correctly and you are reading them wrong |
| 15:17.16 | nezZario | but, i'm ignorant on the subject overall and can't help you |
| 15:17.17 | tgs3 | nezZario: I can bet you 0.01 btc. bet? it is around 1 usd |
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| 15:17.57 | tgs3 | netj: I uzed fdisk /dev/sda and command 'p' to see partitions list, they are 1-19 , 19-262 , 262-... |
| 15:18.18 | tgs3 | nezZario (not netj, sorry) |
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| 15:19.04 | nezZario | if you feel that's incorrect then reparition it, if you want to be sure I'd check a mailing list or two |
| 15:19.05 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 15:19.49 | TheWarden | I have a newly installed Debian Squeeze system with ssh-server installed at installation time. In the past ssh has always just worked for me but for some reason I'm not able to connect via SSH to this new system. |
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| 15:20.15 | nezZario | TheWarden: try service ssh restart |
| 15:20.21 | tgs3 | nezZario: thanks. I will just manually cut it. But nezZario and petn-randall it seems after all the default installer still needs help when using SSD... |
| 15:20.23 | nezZario | or maybe sshd instead of ssh i can't rememebr |
| 15:20.26 | TheWarden | I have /etc/ssh_config, /etc/sshd_config and /etc/ssh/moduli but no other files are present |
| 15:20.55 | nezZario | if it's not coming up try apt-get -y install rcconf; rcconf |
| 15:21.02 | nezZario | see if it's checked for boot time |
| 15:21.42 | TheWarden | nezZario: mm I tried that and it returns with "ssh: unrecognized service", mmm I'm kinda of getting the impression that ssh-server was not installed.. |
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| 15:22.21 | nezZario | it appears not; luckily it should be as simple as apt-get install openssh-server |
| 15:22.25 | nezZario | i think that's the package |
| 15:22.30 | nezZario | don't take my word for that one, double check.. |
| 15:23.06 | nezZario | i find it odd you had problems with squeeze |
| 15:23.13 | nezZario | i've had install problems on wheezy still but only once |
| 15:23.31 | petn-randall | tgs3: please paste the output of 'fdisk -l' to http://paste.debian.net, we'll check that. |
| 15:23.43 | petn-randall | tgs3: I'm pretty sure that the wheezy installer aligns to 1MB sectors. |
| 15:24.02 | petn-randall | s/sectors/sector boundaries/ |
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| 15:27.22 | pkkm | What's wrong with this cron line: "@reboot www-data exec php /srv/www/rss.pkkm.eu/htdocs/update_daemon2.php &" ? |
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| 15:28.31 | Corey | php may not be in the path, pkkm. |
| 15:28.50 | nezZario | check whereis php and put the full path as corey said |
| 15:29.39 | relipse | i'm using debian, how do I install latest phpmyadmin for my webserveR? |
| 15:29.53 | pkkm | Is the "exec" OK? |
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| 15:30.38 | petn-randall | relipse: Check the man page for apt-get on how to install packages. |
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| 15:31.41 | nezZario | ya know stock debian doesn't come with ntpd |
| 15:31.49 | nezZario | wondering why my clocks have been looking so weird |
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| 15:32.15 | jacklk | Why do people use Debian? |
| 15:33.01 | nezZario | cuz we're leet.. |
| 15:33.02 | nullby7e | 1. it's free |
| 15:33.06 | nullby7e | 2. it's secure |
| 15:33.22 | TheWarden | nezZario: okay I ran apt-get and I'll be honest I've never used this command before... I'm looking through the list and I don't see any reference to SSH so I guess its safe to assume the package was not installed. strange as I told the installer to install it in the preseed file. |
| 15:33.32 | pkkm | 3. it's very customizable |
| 15:34.14 | TheWarden | jacklk: its awesome that's way, open source, secure, stable, reliable, minimalistic, not bloated, great supportive community |
| 15:34.26 | TheWarden | why* |
| 15:34.56 | jacklk | hmm |
| 15:35.14 | TheWarden | jacklk: why do you ask? Are you considering to use Debian? |
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| 15:35.27 | jacklk | no, I'm stuck between Windows and Linux |
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| 15:35.34 | jacklk | I don't really like either. |
| 15:35.36 | petn-randall | nezZario: Your membership card has been retracted. :-) |
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| 15:35.42 | jacklk | I cannot fit into the Linux community. |
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| 15:35.53 | jacklk | And Windows is quite heavy. |
| 15:35.55 | TheWarden | in my preseed file it has tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ssh-server standard |
| 15:36.09 | nezZario | i like debian simply because of apt. ubuntu is ok but it's the community little too desktop oriented for me |
| 15:36.24 | TheWarden | yet when running apt-get -y install rcconf; rcconf there is no reference to ssh |
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| 15:36.44 | TheWarden | do I have the name for the package to be installed wrong? |
| 15:36.53 | jacklk | I don't have glasses and am not geeky, that seems to mean I can't use Linux. |
| 15:37.13 | petn-randall | jacklk: Hahaha, nice try. 2/10 |
| 15:37.13 | mtn | jacklk: you make a good troll, though |
| 15:37.26 | TheWarden | Linux is very open and in most cases that I've experience it has way more accessibility features that most commercial counterparts. |
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| 15:38.42 | jacklk | I'm not trolling. :D |
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| 15:38.55 | jacklk | But all Linux users are geeky? |
| 15:39.02 | petn-randall | jacklk: Nope. |
| 15:39.04 | jacklk | (and have glasses) |
| 15:39.11 | petn-randall | jacklk: Neither that. |
| 15:39.13 | jacklk | Do any _normal_ people use Linux? |
| 15:39.21 | TheWarden | jacklk: not true at all, some use Linux and have no idea how to use it or know they have Linux some times. |
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| 15:39.53 | jacklk | petn-randall: you have glasses and are geeky |
| 15:41.08 | petn-randall | jacklk: Hush hush, go back to where you were playing before. |
| 15:41.21 | nezZario | i don't use linux at home because of silverlight/DRM/netflix |
| 15:41.33 | nezZario | still running good ol xp |
| 15:41.34 | jacklk | nezZario: you use Silverlight? |
| 15:41.56 | nezZario | netflix does, and I don't pay for cable/satelite. but that's a bit off-topic to say the least |
| 15:42.32 | gnarface | could also use a nintendo instead of kicking yourself in the nuts every day but yea off topic |
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| 15:43.11 | gnarface | doesn't the windows netflix app run in wine though? |
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| 15:46.09 | TheWarden | jacklk: There is an apparent solution to that problem but I've not looked into it as of yet. However I do know for a fact that one can use VirtualBox to fix the Netflix silverlight issue. I've done it myself even through XBMC linking to it. |
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| 15:46.30 | TheWarden | jacklk: I admit that VirtualBox is not the greatest solution and not ideal for everyone. |
| 15:46.34 | nezZario | never heard of using virtualbox |
| 15:47.08 | nezZario | i use a wii in the living room but as i said, still running xp in my bedroom .. |
| 15:47.34 | jacklk | I don't use (or need) Netflix. |
| 15:48.02 | TheWarden | ops sorry sent that to the wrong person |
| 15:48.17 | jelly | jacklk: I've got a couple hundred users myself, and my employer has a couple hundred thousand, most don't even know or care they use Linux, but they do. |
| 15:48.36 | TheWarden | This may be of help and should work closely to the same for Debian, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-netflix-in-ubuntu-through.html |
| 15:48.58 | TheWarden | I've not tried it yet but I plan to soon |
| 15:49.06 | nezZario | TheWarden: I'mma check that out when I get home. I'd love to trash xp... |
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| 15:50.33 | petn-randall | There's also 250+ million android users, probably not all of them are geeky *and* wear glasses. |
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| 15:51.07 | nezZario | i think osx uses a bsd derived kernel as well .. by definition those people ought to be geeky too |
| 15:51.08 | petn-randall | I don't know them all personally though, so I can't say for sure. |
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| 15:52.01 | jacklk | petn-randall: okay,most Debian users |
| 15:52.15 | TheWarden | nezZario: lol wouldn't we all :-) |
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| 15:52.52 | TheWarden | nezZario: it does, OSX used DarwinBSD |
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| 15:53.56 | TheWarden | not true, but keep in mind Debian is not exactly for the average user either, its not focused on Desktop only use like say Linux Mint or Ubunut, etc. However it can do anything you desire :-) |
| 15:55.33 | nezZario | TheWarden: which, back to the dude's original question, is why I use it. I like ubuntu but like I said, it's hard to ask about some server related when you have to dig through 100 posts/messages/whatever on how to get wifi working, or gnome/kde, or burning cd's .. I applaud what they're doing, but it's not for me |
| 15:55.54 | nezZario | wheezy is stable enough and new enough for me |
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| 15:58.13 | TheWarden | nezZario: yeah its not for me either too bloated for my liking. |
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| 15:58.16 | jacklk | TheWarden: slow down |
| 15:58.33 | TheWarden | jacklk: who said i was going fast? |
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| 15:58.52 | sparadokos | Hi, having crashes left and right. Can reproduce them when transfuring from a 1tb usb drive back to my /home. This is the lockup. Only could take a pic with my phone. Computer locks hard and have to do a reset on power to get it to respond. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/imag0565o.jpg/ |
| 15:58.56 | jacklk | that's what she said :D |
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| 15:59.03 | sparadokos | Not sure what to do to go about fixing this. |
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| 15:59.09 | TheWarden | shakes his head at jacklk |
| 15:59.10 | jacklk | TheWarden: what desktop enviroment do you use? |
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| 15:59.38 | somiaj | sparadokos: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:59.58 | TheWarden | sparadokos: did you verify the hard drive(s) are not dying? |
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| 16:00.14 | sparadokos | somiaj: wheezy just installed yesterday. |
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| 16:00.48 | nezZario | i hate to ask .... is 'hostname' suppose to be the fqdn or host part of the name? |
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| 16:00.56 | somiaj | sparadokos: and you are ussing the offical debian kernel. I cannot read your image, but it appears you kernel is erroring out. Most likely this is due to bad hardware. (espically if you are running a pure wheezy system) |
| 16:01.05 | TheWarden | jacklk: well that depends, I'm primarly working with Debian now and have begun to use it as my desktop as well however at home and work I do deal with Windows 7 and Windows XP. I play with all kinds of OSes so I'm not the average user. A few years back I was using OpenBSD for all servers now its Debian. |
| 16:01.09 | sparadokos | TheWarden: I ran a few test on them with another machine using an integrety check. They show they are ok. I also use this same drive at work and have never had this error before. |
| 16:01.31 | nezZario | ah I like you |
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| 16:01.42 | TheWarden | sparadokos: did you use the software to test it that is from manufacture? use something like Ultimate Boot CD. |
| 16:01.45 | nezZario | i'm still a big bsd fan and still use netbsd in production on a giant box |
| 16:02.03 | jacklk | TheWarden: Do you know what a "desktop enviroment" is? :D |
| 16:02.05 | somiaj | [sometimes it is a bad kernel, but I doubt that] |
| 16:02.17 | TheWarden | yes as am I, I'm a huge fan of OpenBSD but for my needs lately it was not fitting anymore unfortunately. |
| 16:02.19 | jacklk | I meant you GUI, window manager, e.g. Gnome, Xfce, KDE... |
| 16:02.38 | sparadokos | somiaj: it is all wheezy except for Opera. kernel is kernel bug at /build/buildd-linux_3.2.41-2-amd64-Wvc92F/linux3.2.41/mm/slab.c:3111! |
| 16:02.58 | TheWarden | jacklk: smartass hey, yes. You want to know what my Window Manager on Linux? |
| 16:03.04 | sparadokos | TheWarden: used an old copy of spinwrite. Will test it with what you recomend. |
| 16:03.43 | jacklk | TheWarden: yep |
| 16:03.45 | TheWarden | sparadokos: sprinwrite is good and really nothing else like it but that in my opinion is more of recovery and good maintenance to prolong the life of a drive. |
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| 16:04.06 | jacklk | TheWarden: I wasn't trying to be smart, you just replied with something completely different when I first asked (= |
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| 16:04.24 | TheWarden | sparadokos: in the end the manufacture will want an error code if there is something wrong with it and to get that as far as I know you need to use their software. |
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| 16:05.16 | sparadokos | TheWarden: ok, I was having other lockups but that was with video artifacts here and there. Which is why I reinstalled my system. |
| 16:05.18 | petn-randall | sparadokos: Install memtest on the machine, and let it run through a night. Random lockups could be faulty RAM. |
| 16:06.15 | TheWarden | jacklk: sorry, most people don't know that and refer to desktop as the OS. Mostly Gnome2 however the past year or two I've started to use LXDE and am now looking for my desktop use of XFCE. I'm not a fan of KDE and not to sure about gnome3 either. As for servers well I plan at least at home to go headless at work those that don't know what they are doing don't feel comfortable without a GUI :) |
| 16:06.59 | jacklk | TheWarden: Xfce is an excellent choice if you came from Gnome 2 |
| 16:07.09 | TheWarden | sparadokos: well this may not be the solution its just the first thing I always check and in a lot of cases the issue is found faster. New system and same thing happening hey... mm maybe a hardware issue with the USB hub.. not sure though. |
| 16:07.11 | jacklk | it's really nice.. needs a bit of customising if you like it to look pretty |
| 16:07.11 | sparadokos | if I may ask this without starting an argument on releases. I was using squeeze for 11 months and all was great. After I upgraded to wheezy I had some problems here and there with random lockups, but not a kernel thing like this. Is it possible my laptop just does not like wheezy or vise verse? |
| 16:07.14 | jacklk | but still it's nice |
| 16:07.43 | TheWarden | jacklk: yeah that's what I figured and a little more beauty then LXDE. |
| 16:07.55 | sparadokos | I was thinking it was xscreensaver. So I removed it. Had problems with it in the past. |
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| 16:08.24 | sparadokos | Is there a log file I could check? I looked at /var/log/* and not finding anything related to this. |
| 16:08.30 | TheWarden | sparadokos: mm maybe but I can't really comment much on Wheezy the fact is that its not considered final and stable release yet. So anything could go wrong. |
| 16:08.45 | petn-randall | sparadokos: I think wheezy will run better on your laptop since it is newer. From the pic I'm guessing it's a semi-recent (> 2011) laptop. |
| 16:09.11 | TheWarden | sparadokos: maybe check through the logs to see if there is and read/write errors referring to the USB drive. |
| 16:09.18 | somiaj | TheWarden: there are only 51 know rc bugs left, wheezy for the most part is stable. (: |
| 16:09.21 | sparadokos | petn-randall: think late 2011 :) |
| 16:09.34 | sparadokos | TheWarden: checking |
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| 16:09.46 | TheWarden | somiaj: if ti was then it would be released and be considered stable :). just saying. |
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| 16:10.57 | nezZario | I can comment on wheezy being that i've been using it in production for a year and as long as you watch for SA's you're fine |
| 16:11.03 | nezZario | ;) |
| 16:11.17 | sparadokos | nezZario: SA's? |
| 16:11.18 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Wheezy has been frozen for a year now. Of those 51 RC bugs, half of them are fix, and none are related to kernel oopses. |
| 16:11.31 | somiaj | TheWarden: well considering squeeze has 882 rc bugs, and wheezy only 51....:D |
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| 16:11.36 | petn-randall | sparadokos: security announcements. |
| 16:11.49 | sparadokos | :) I should have gotten that.. lol |
| 16:12.52 | TheWarden | guts I'm not arguing to be a pain here but really... it maybe stable and good which I don't doubt but fact remains its not officially a stable release. Hence why the process exists before it is considered one. It maybe by many now but not officially. |
| 16:13.00 | TheWarden | guts oh man guys I mean |
| 16:13.18 | eth0ghost | I use sid, and it is pretty stable itself. |
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| 16:13.38 | somiaj | sid just likes to break thigns with out warning....:D |
| 16:13.47 | eth0ghost | Quick fixes though. |
| 16:13.50 | sparadokos | I'm working my way up to sid :0 But I need to understand how to trouble shoot more then I do now. |
| 16:14.14 | zykotick9 | eth0ghost: it's not stable, in the debian sense of the word... far from it ;) |
| 16:14.30 | eth0ghost | Well nothing is stable in the debian sense hardly =) |
| 16:14.33 | somiaj | sparadokos: backports will be more useful for most people (espically those who don't want to spend 5 hours fixing sid so they can do real work) |
| 16:14.38 | eth0ghost | That is why I love these guys. |
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| 16:16.42 | TheWarden | okay this is driving me nuts can one not search for something with nano? vi has this ability but for the life of me I can't seem to see how to search using nano. |
| 16:16.44 | sparadokos | using testing is there a backports for it? Or only the 4 repos? |
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| 16:17.22 | peterrooney | sid and |
| 16:17.28 | somiaj | sparadokos: in most cases I would suggest stable + backports. just as wheezy is almost stable. backports will not be made for wheezy until it is stable, but you can always create your own. |
| 16:17.31 | peterrooney | stable don't belong in the same breath |
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| 16:18.19 | somiaj | TheWarden: ever think of reading the onscreen keys and goto the help menu |
| 16:18.23 | peterrooney | TheWarden: ^W |
| 16:18.37 | somiaj | TheWarden: near the top of the help menu, ^W (F6) search for a string or regular expression |
| 16:18.39 | TheWarden | somiaj: yes I have but I guess I missed it :( |
| 16:19.08 | peterrooney | TheWarden: "Where Is" sure is an odd choice of phrase |
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| 16:19.35 | TheWarden | oh boy |
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| 16:20.22 | TheWarden | okay doing the search how do you go to the next one found? |
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| 16:22.08 | somiaj | TheWarden: appears to be M-W or F16 |
| 16:22.14 | somiaj | TheWarden: repeate last search |
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| 16:22.45 | t3hb055nueb | Where can I dl the debian iso? |
| 16:23.03 | zykotick9 | somiaj: f16, you must have a much large keyboard then me ;) |
| 16:23.07 | somiaj | t3hb055nueb: debian.org, though you may have to look around for a wheezy installer. |
| 16:23.17 | somiaj | zykotick9: I'm just reading the nano documentation...I don't have no f16 key |
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| 16:23.22 | somiaj | but aprenrtally nano supports such a thing |
| 16:23.49 | TheWarden | thanks... stupid questions I can't believe I didn't see that in the help |
| 16:24.02 | TheWarden | t3hb055nueb: debian.org |
| 16:24.08 | penguin1 | hi |
| 16:24.15 | t3hb055nueb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/iso-dvd/ ? |
| 16:24.23 | t3hb055nueb | somiaj: thanks |
| 16:24.35 | penguin1 | debian installer doesn't use the keyboard layout in preseed :( |
| 16:24.43 | somiaj | t3hb055nueb: depending on your needs, if you have a nice internet connenction you can get away with only using the netinstall (with some issues with firmware and wireless) |
| 16:25.00 | penguin1 | d-i console-tools/archs select de and d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select de and d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select de |
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| 16:25.07 | zykotick9 | somiaj: wow, it really does say that ;) odd. |
| 16:25.07 | penguin1 | but it doesn't work. I still got an us keyboard layout |
| 16:25.12 | penguin1 | which complicates things |
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| 16:25.23 | somiaj | penguin1: are you picking one of the allowed layouts in the installer. They have been limited in the d-i as per the developers |
| 16:26.34 | penguin1 | somiaj: where can I get a list of them? |
| 16:26.37 | penguin1 | I already looked for it |
| 16:26.46 | somiaj | penguin1: looks like you are picking a standard layout, haven't messed with preseeds to know what is going on there. I do know there was a mailing list/bug in which the say they are keeping the list of maps small in the installer to not overly complicate things |
| 16:26.52 | t3hb055nueb | with uck, what is a hybrid image? |
| 16:26.54 | somiaj | penguin1: but this is adding all the dvorak varations. |
| 16:27.10 | penguin1 | somiaj: the layout should be ibm german layout |
| 16:27.10 | somiaj | t3hb055nueb: that just means you can write it to a cdrom or to a usb stick |
| 16:27.15 | penguin1 | somiaj: not dvorak layout |
| 16:27.21 | t3hb055nueb | ok, thanks |
| 16:27.43 | somiaj | penguin1: yea that one I'm sure is on the list, I was just wondering if you were reqeusting some rare layout. Not sure why your preseed is failing. Are there any logs about the preseed? |
| 16:28.05 | penguin1 | somiaj: I get those logs where? Are they still available on a rebooted system? |
| 16:28.13 | t3hb055nueb | what does this mean? mount: warning: /home/t3hb055/tmp/remaster-iso-mount seems to be mounted read-only. |
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| 16:28.57 | zykotick9 | t3hb055nueb: ISOs are typically read-only. it's just a warning. |
| 16:29.11 | t3hb055nueb | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 16:30.41 | penguin1 | somiaj: ok, I found the installer syslog |
| 16:30.55 | penguin1 | somiaj: for what I have to look for in order to find the keyboard picking |
| 16:31.31 | somiaj | penguin1: I'm just giving gernic advice, I haven't messed with preseeds enough to know. |
| 16:31.45 | somiaj | penguin1: I would look though it or parse it for keymap, etc |
| 16:31.48 | penguin1 | somiaj: thank you, I will look for keymap |
| 16:32.06 | somiaj | not sure what it would be called thoug, so do variations, or just skim though it |
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| 16:32.28 | penguin1 | somiaj: INFO: choose_keymap = us |
| 16:32.40 | penguin1 | somiaj: alright, now we know that the installer doesn't honor the setting |
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| 16:33.56 | ZeeR0 | hi, i need help, my simple scan does not work but the xsane are working, how this is posible and how to solve? |
| 16:34.58 | penguin1 | somiaj: INFO: Falling back to the package description for console-keymap-at |
| 16:35.03 | penguin1 | somiaj: two times |
| 16:35.07 | penguin1 | somiaj: what means this? cryptic |
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| 16:35.37 | somiaj | penguin1: maybe someone else will know. Sounds to me like it dosen't like your seting so it is falling back to us |
| 16:35.58 | penguin1 | somiaj: where can I find the usable keymap codes? |
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| 16:38.08 | ZeeR0 | anyone? |
| 16:38.15 | ZeeR0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.25 | penguin1 | somiaj: I cannot find it, I searched through the inet |
| 16:38.38 | somiaj | penguin1: do you happen to have a debian install with the correct keymap? |
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| 16:39.13 | gits1225 | I just installed debian-live-6.0.7-amd64-standard.iso, and the fonts are anti-aliased (?), I'd like the old bit-map font. How do I set it? |
| 16:39.22 | somiaj | penguin1: debconf-get-selections --installer -- looks like that should output preseed info, so it should give you the correct keymap name |
| 16:39.25 | penguin1 | somiaj: I got the keymap set up correctly when doing a _manual_ installation by using the menu |
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| 16:39.38 | somiaj | penguin1: since I don't use anything but us keymap I really know little about them |
| 16:40.02 | penguin1 | somiaj: debconf-get-selections --installer <- is this a command for console? |
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| 16:40.34 | somiaj | penguin1: correct, do that from your manually installed debian |
| 16:40.43 | somiaj | penguin1: you can also run debconf-get-selections |
| 16:40.57 | somiaj | penguin1: this should hopefully help you figure out what you need in your preseed |
| 16:41.59 | TheWarden | okay I'm not sure I understand this so please bare with me. I have created a file under /etc/cron.d/dsivip now will this crontab file run as root? I basically want it to reboot the system at 3am every day. |
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| 16:43.32 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Depends on what line you've got in there. It's a normal crontab, so you have to set a user in column 5. |
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| 16:45.08 | TheWarden | petn-randall: the file contains without double quotes "0 3 * * * root /sbin/reboot" |
| 16:46.02 | petn-randall | TheWarden: That'll run as root then every day at 3 AM. |
| 16:46.21 | TheWarden | petn-randall: okay, just making sure. I've never used cron.d before. |
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| 16:48.01 | somiaj | TheWarden: it isn't different than just /etc/crontab, it is just splitting it into as many flies as you desire |
| 16:48.40 | somiaj | i.e. the file layout is the exact same, you just can add/rmove files (as opposed to lines). I think it makes configuration easier myself as many things are switching to this model |
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| 16:49.02 | pkkm | What could this line mean in /var/log/syslog: "Apr 9 18:13:01 llaesh /usr/sbin/cron[1343]: (*system*tt-rss) RELOAD (/etc/cron.d/tt-rss)"? |
| 16:49.09 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay well I figured as much from the reading I've done but just making sure. Yes I would agree. |
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| 16:50.52 | hello | http://tinyurl.com/caa7q2k |
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| 16:50.55 | Mortadela | hellou |
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| 16:52.27 | Mortadela | hi |
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| 16:57.00 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Guys. Who knows a good telnet server that can execute stuff like "nc -l -p someport -e somefile"? |
| 16:57.23 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Or ssh.... |
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| 16:58.02 | pkkm | A good ssh server is OpenSSH |
| 16:58.17 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | let me describe my situation |
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| 16:58.53 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I used nc to provide a bash script to internet. People were meant to connect to in using "nc myip" |
| 16:58.54 | jtheuer | Can I manually create a known_hosts file for sshd if I know the fingerprint of a host? The known_hosts file looks a little cryptic... |
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| 16:59.11 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But it have a huge problem: It doesnt pass $TERM |
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| 16:59.22 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I heard SSH and telnet passes $TERM |
| 16:59.26 | jeet | Hi I am trying to use a command like g++ `pkg-configs --cflags --libs opencv` myProgram myProgram.cpp - I get "cannot find appsink.h", first, I don't know where appsink.h is or the correct command to link it, anyone can help me out please? |
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| 16:59.43 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | SHUT UP! i am describing my problem :3 |
| 16:59.43 | jeet | appsink is a part of gstreamer btw |
| 16:59.45 | jelly-home | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: like telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu? |
| 17:00.04 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | something like it |
| 17:00.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | or like telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 17:00.37 | penguin1 | right |
| 17:00.41 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But it also should be interactive (bash script) |
| 17:00.41 | penguin1 | somiaj: nice tip |
| 17:00.45 | somiaj | jeet: foo.h files are headers, and are located in libfoo-dev packages usually. |
| 17:00.55 | somiaj | penguin1: figure out what the syntax was? |
| 17:01.06 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | So what telnet/ssh server i should get? And how to set it? |
| 17:01.09 | jeet | thank you somiaj |
| 17:01.14 | somiaj | jeet: you could use apt-file (or packages.debian.org) to search for which package contains the file you need as well. |
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| 17:01.34 | penguin1 | somiaj: I will try it right now |
| 17:02.12 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | jelly-home, So what should i do? |
| 17:03.09 | petn-randall | Can someone explain to me the practical difference of busybox and busybox-static? Both seem to get included in the initramfs and provide the same features AFAICS. |
| 17:03.50 | joschi | petn-randall: busybox probably still requires an installed libc while busybox-static is self-sufficient and statically linked |
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| 17:05.33 | joschi | how can I tell initramfs-tools to include a certain file in the initrd? |
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| 17:10.34 | petn-randall | joschi: I think you just add them to /etc/initramfstools/, that's how dropbear does it anyway. |
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| 17:10.56 | joschi | petn-randall: unfortunately that doesn't work. well, it works because there are hook scripts for that |
| 17:11.50 | joschi | hm, I guess I have to write a hook script for copying files in there. *sigh* |
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| 17:12.20 | petn-randall | joschi: Out of curiosity, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:13.48 | joschi | petn-randall: creating an image with fully encrypted drives for bootstrapping virtual machines at a remote location |
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| 17:14.39 | joschi | petn-randall: unfortunately the provider is using a rather unusual dhcp setup which pumps out a default route with a /32 netmask and udhcpc doesn't know how to handle this. |
| 17:15.11 | petn-randall | joschi: You know that with dropbear + busybox, you can log in during boot and provide the password? You can also set up the network interface manually, too. |
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| 17:15.48 | petn-randall | joschi: That's at least the setup on my server. |
| 17:15.48 | joschi | petn-randall: that's the plan. but since it's supposed to be a golden master I cannot use static network configuration |
| 17:16.12 | joschi | petn-randall: all the other things are working basically |
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| 17:16.36 | joschi | petn-randall: but without network access for unlocking the root device it's kind of besides the point |
| 17:16.59 | petn-randall | joschi: Oh, ok, I get it. I think you can override the route in /etc/network/interfaces, even with dhcp. |
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| 17:17.45 | joschi | petn-randall: the funny thing is that dhclient is working. only udhcpc (from busybox) is stumbling |
| 17:18.16 | joschi | petn-randall: which means that currently I have to unlock the encrypted devices via remote console and after that it boots and is accessible via SSH |
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| 17:21.33 | petn-randall | joschi: Damn, that sucks :/ |
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| 17:25.21 | jtheuer | can I somehow provide the hostKey on the commandline? I have the matching line but I want to avoid writing it to a file. |
| 17:25.26 | jtheuer | ssh (!) |
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| 17:31.05 | joschi | jtheuer: AFAIK that's not possible since the complete key is usually rather long |
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| 17:45.26 | Subfusc | !help |
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| 17:47.03 | jeffrin | Subfusc : hello |
| 17:47.13 | Subfusc | jeffrin: hello :) |
| 17:47.42 | jeffrin | Subfusc : are you asking for help ? |
| 17:48.05 | Subfusc | jeffrin: I just needed the bot to explain me exactly what backports are. :) |
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| 17:51.31 | Subfusc | So, exactly how unstable should I consider the backports for squeeze to be? |
| 17:51.42 | jeffrin | Subfusc : it is like making a new software work in old dependencies related |
| 17:52.24 | petn-randall | Subfusc: squeeze-backports are packages from wheezy which have been compiled against the libs from squeeze. They should be fairly stable, albeit a little less tested. |
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| 17:53.19 | Subfusc | Okay, so if I enable backports and install something I shouldn't expect it to go all arch unstable on my ass? |
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| 17:54.07 | petn-randall | Subfusc: Usually no. However, you should only install the things you need from backports. If you're on a Desktop machine, it might even make sense to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 17:54.39 | Subfusc | petn-randall: no, its a server. And all i really want is a plugin for the mailprogram dovecot |
| 17:54.51 | Subfusc | which doesnt exist in the official stable repo |
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| 17:55.19 | Subfusc | And since it is my mail system, it has to still be stable |
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| 17:56.27 | petn-randall | Subfusc: I'm running dovecot 2.1 from backports on my machine. Works fine. Is it dovecot-antispam you're looking for? |
| 17:56.41 | Subfusc | petn-randall: you know it ;) |
| 17:57.41 | petn-randall | Subfusc: FYI, if you control the mailserver in front of it, it makes more sense to reject spam from there. |
| 17:57.43 | Subfusc | petn-randall: can I ask if you're useing spamassassin or dspam? |
| 17:58.04 | petn-randall | Subfusc: spamassassin, yes with amavis wrapped around it. |
| 17:58.43 | Subfusc | petn-randall: you're thinking about something like mailavenger? |
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| 18:00.33 | petn-randall | Subfusc: Nah. I've got postfix and amavis as smtp proxy filter. This catches most of the spam for me. |
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| 18:01.39 | petn-randall | Subfusc: You want to reject spam as early as possible. If a false positive gets rejected, the sender will be notified. |
| 18:01.41 | Subfusc | So I control the whole stack, its a Postfix and dovecot setup. I would like to reject clear spam, but have NLP type spamfilters sending spam to the spamfolder at a later point |
| 18:01.46 | nezZario | i gave up on running my own smtp to deliver a long time ago |
| 18:02.18 | nezZario | run a outgoing only mail server, outsource your mailboxes, and enjoy the day outside. :) |
| 18:02.20 | Subfusc | petn-randall: hmm, good point. That might be better |
| 18:02.22 | petn-randall | Subfusc: The worst thing with post-queue filtering is, if it gets tagged as spam, it will be deleted or otherwise not read by the recipient, and the sender will never get notified. |
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| 18:03.18 | Subfusc | nezZario: I suspect you run everything on google? |
| 18:03.26 | petn-randall | nezZario: Mail is too important to trust it to someone else :) |
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| 18:03.41 | terr1 | petn-randall: You should think about using postscreen with postfix, I implemented this.. stopped 95% spam from getting past the postscreen layer.. Just by implementing Deep Protocol testing (mimics greylisting) |
| 18:04.53 | nezZario | Subfusc: yep and I almost have a tan. ;) .. I use postfix/mysql to forward some domains to my mailbox because I'm not paying extra for aliases, etc. But I have all my important domains on a google apps account (the free ones, can't get em anymore) going to a single mailbox |
| 18:04.58 | Subfusc | petn-randall: you installed amavis from backports? |
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| 18:05.26 | petn-randall | Subfusc: No, I used amavisd-new from squeeze. |
| 18:06.13 | Subfusc | petn-randall: do you have a good guide I could read on your kind of setup? If you have, a link would be very much appreciated :) |
| 18:06.42 | petn-randall | Subfusc: I went with the book "Das Postfix-Buch" by Peer Heinlein. It's in German, though it may be available in English, too. |
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| 18:07.00 | Subfusc | nezZario: half the point of having my own server is not letting google get the data. It also allows me to fysicly separate my work/personal life from spam-sending sites like linkedin etc. |
| 18:07.17 | Subfusc | petn-randall: I'll google that. Thanks |
| 18:07.46 | nezZario | oh... well I guess. I don't have e-mail outside of my work life though. ;) to each his own, just a suggestion |
| 18:07.50 | petn-randall | Subfusc: Unfortunately, the amavisd-new docs are a little crap, so you'll need a good book for that. Though when it's set up, it works like a charm. |
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| 18:08.18 | petn-randall | terr1: I'll look into that, seems like an interesting idea. |
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| 18:12.15 | terr1 | petn-randall: (I'm a postfix noob to be warned) Only downside/upside I've noticed to postscreen with Deep Protocol Testing (1. time reject mail with 450, 2. time allow it to pass (if it passes other tests)), is gmail connects from different ips.. ie. 1. ip 1, 2. ip 2... So mails can be delayed.. I just whitelisted gmail ip blocks in my postscreen filter and then catches gmail spam using next |
| 18:12.16 | terr1 | layer using amavis-new / SA. |
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| 18:14.09 | franco00 | I wanted to make a led of my netbook blink on incoming mail. So I went investigating /sys/ folder: I found a file which triggers 'led on'. I chowned it to 'user', so I can change it w/o being root. Tested the script and it worked. After reboot does not work though, it seems that the owner went back to root. Why did that happen/ |
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| 18:16.01 | franco00 | (and how can i permanently change that permission) |
| 18:17.57 | zhr | I would just add a chown line to /etc/rc.local |
| 18:18.22 | format_c | franco00, what is the group ownership of the file? |
| 18:18.27 | franco00 | root |
| 18:18.51 | format_c | os root:root ? |
| 18:19.05 | format_c | reverse("so"); |
| 18:19.10 | format_c | :-) |
| 18:19.14 | franco00 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
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| 18:19.34 | yucatan | how can i install rrd support for php in debian ? |
| 18:19.39 | yucatan | which libary i need for that |
| 18:19.44 | format_c | then I'd go the sudo way |
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| 18:19.58 | format_c | w/o password for the command |
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| 18:20.17 | franco00 | ohhh, of curse, i could have a password less sudo! Thanks! |
| 18:20.38 | terr1 | You could also use sysfsutils package which is designed for this (as far as I know) |
| 18:20.47 | terr1 | and modify /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 18:21.58 | franco00 | notes |
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| 18:22.33 | format_c | notes too ... |
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| 18:27.45 | brontosaurusrex | what tiler is nooby friendly? (has nice defaults) |
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| 18:28.01 | jeet | hi, where are packages located? /etc/? /lib/? |
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| 18:28.26 | jeet | oh maybe i can try "whereis PKG_NAME" |
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| 18:31.02 | format_c | jeet, you mean the packages you've downloaded with aptitude? |
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| 18:37.44 | penguin1 | hi |
| 18:37.49 | penguin1 | debconf-get-selection --installer |
| 18:37.51 | penguin1 | command not found |
| 18:38.01 | penguin1 | I issued this command on virtual console during debian installation |
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| 18:38.03 | penguin1 | doesn't work |
| 18:38.05 | penguin1 | :( |
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| 18:39.25 | jeet | format_c yes |
| 18:39.41 | mishugana | Hi |
| 18:39.53 | jeet | i will try dpkg to display packages |
| 18:39.55 | jeet | and use whereis PKG |
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| 18:41.26 | jordanm | jeekl, dpkg -L <package> |
| 18:41.37 | jeet | ok dpkg -S foo.h got it |
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| 18:41.48 | jeet | i needed appsink linked for my g++ compile |
| 18:41.54 | petn-randall | terr1: oh, postgrey does a better job at this since it groups by /24 netmasks. That way you don't have the problem you described. |
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| 18:42.15 | eL_Bart0 | there was a powerout in the data center were my server is located and since then im facing problems with qmail :/ |
| 18:42.22 | eL_Bart0 | qmailctl stat shows that the process /service/qmail-smtpd/log is constantly being restarted (terminated) |
| 18:42.39 | eL_Bart0 | syslog does not give any hint what might be wrong and i dont see any other problems besides that ... of course i cannot receive emails atm. the qmail setup worked fine for almost 8 months ... until the power outage. any ideas? |
| 18:42.50 | jeet | so i need -I and -L for g++ |
| 18:43.08 | jeet | so in -I i pass the .h path and in -L i pass the binary location? |
| 18:43.09 | jeet | which i need to figure out now? |
| 18:43.23 | jeet | or am i doing it wrong |
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| 18:46.03 | nell | Everytime I type sudo I get this message: sudo: effective uid is not 0, is sudo installed setuid root? |
| 18:46.07 | nell | Others have reinstalled |
| 18:46.11 | nell | is there a way to fix without reinstalling |
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| 18:46.37 | `Z` | chmod'ing sudo binary maybe ? |
| 18:46.42 | jeet | are all the binary files i need in /usr/bin? |
| 18:46.52 | baba | can some one help me with debian pkg management stuff ? |
| 18:46.55 | jeet | for gstreamer appsink use in c++ |
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| 18:47.34 | nell | chmod 775 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 18:47.35 | nell | ? |
| 18:47.36 | Leoneof | !nvidia |
| 18:47.37 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia legacy>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:47.51 | nell | didn'twork |
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| 18:48.16 | Leoneof | is there a way to install nvidia in synaptic? |
| 18:48.27 | Leoneof | using Debian Wheezy |
| 18:49.37 | petn-randall | nell: try chmod 4755 /usr/bin/sudo |
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| 18:50.09 | nell | the error persists |
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| 18:50.35 | nell | can't use su |
| 18:50.37 | nell | or sudo su |
| 18:50.39 | DammitJim | I just changed an rsync job to sync just a sub directory and for some reason it seems it is overriding everything (which is the same) is that normal? |
| 18:50.40 | nell | or purge sudo |
| 18:50.40 | jordanm | Leoneof, yes, you want nvidia-kernel-dkms and nividia-glx. X configuration must be done manually though |
| 18:50.56 | petn-randall | nell: How can you change the permissions then without root?! |
| 18:51.09 | nell | Idk |
| 18:51.12 | DammitJim | it's an rsync -av --delete --progress |
| 18:51.34 | nell | setgid: Operation not permitted setgid: Operation not permitted dsf |
| 18:51.39 | nell | that's what I get |
| 18:51.51 | petn-randall | nell: Use http://paste.debian.net, don't post in this channel. |
| 18:52.03 | nell | sorry it was meant for 1 line. |
| 18:52.07 | Leoneof | jordanm: how about xserver-xorg-video-nvidia ? |
| 18:52.27 | nell | boot livecd and change permissions? |
| 18:52.34 | petn-randall | nell: You can't change the file mode without root. You need to get root first. |
| 18:52.46 | petn-randall | nell: Live CD would be one option. |
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| 18:54.14 | hrobt | hi |
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| 18:54.26 | hrobt | how do I find out which package came with libglx.so |
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| 18:54.31 | hrobt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.19 | ewook | !topic |
| 18:56.26 | jelly-home | hrobt: dpkg -S on the actual path (not the symlinks) |
| 18:57.17 | ewook | Any good sources for general 6.x FAQ's ? |
| 18:57.20 | Leoneof | jordanm: i think it's nvidia-glx, thanks :) |
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| 18:58.06 | hrobt | jelly-home: oh, ehm suppose there are a number of packages from debian that overwrite each other on this libgl.so ... |
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| 18:58.39 | hrobt | jelly-home: xorg people said that nvidia-current module may overwrite libgl.so from the open source default from xorg |
| 18:59.09 | mishugana | hi, one of my friends dropped their external hard drive, it doesnt work anymore but when i plug it in I can see its recognized besides for read errors, I am performing a dd with noerror and sync on it right now to another hard drive since dmesg seemed to see it but it wont mount do to read errors. I assume dd will just try to transfer the entire (including empty) part of the 500gb drive. At ~315kbps that will take ~18 days. |
| 18:59.09 | mishugana | s that will take ~18 days. Is there a way I have it only transfer and repair the actual information in ~<2days? |
| 18:59.11 | hrobt | jelly-home: I currently have nvidia-current installed, but I want to reinstall the xorg backage. |
| 18:59.18 | hrobt | ok but I will try. |
| 18:59.30 | mishugana | sorry paste error... |
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| 19:02.07 | hrobt | jelly-home: dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/libglx.so.304.43 |
| 19:02.23 | hrobt | just did this... its not a symlink! but I get dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/libglx.so.304.43 |
| 19:02.49 | hrobt | btw. it was installed most likely with apt |
| 19:03.37 | hrobt | no wait... one of those dirs is symbolic |
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| 19:12.14 | penguin1 | What components does the Debian Installer use? |
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| 19:12.23 | penguin1 | I mean, there is that anna module for asking questions to the user |
| 19:12.31 | penguin1 | then there is dpkg/apt for installing the base packages |
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| 19:12.35 | penguin1 | What also? |
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| 19:13.39 | hrobt | shees, aptitude resintall libgl1-mesa-glx wants to "remove" my nvidia installs! I need the driver. |
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| 19:14.09 | penguin1 | aptitude reinstall --without-recommends ? |
| 19:14.09 | hrobt | what the heck, how am I supposed to be able to run my other graphics card on cuda if they keep overwriting and removing each othe. |
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| 19:14.49 | penguin1 | hrobt: so there is a driver without and with cuda support, right? |
| 19:14.52 | Guest83631 | Hello, I'm new to this gpg thing.. I think I know how it works now but I got one qestion. Is it possible to encrypt text directly and not just files? Now I use: gpg --recipient alice --output secret.txt --encrypt test.txt But I whould like to do something like this: gpg --recipient alice --encrypt "Hello this is my encrypted msg". |
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| 19:15.06 | hrobt | http://pastebin.com/SkeLmUic |
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| 19:16.00 | hrobt | penguin1: I have an nvidia card, I installed the nvidia-current on it, but it overwrote my onboard radeon cards libglx support. |
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| 19:16.19 | hrobt | penguin1: I dont really care about libglx support on my nvidia... Im not using it for desktop. |
| 19:16.36 | hrobt | penguin1: but I must have my nvidia driver... to use the cuda toolkit |
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| 19:17.03 | jeet | compiler output: http://paste.debian.net/248529/, lil help? :) |
| 19:17.26 | penguin1 | hrobt: nvidia-current == nvidia driver? |
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| 19:18.17 | jeet | i was able to set the include on my g++ compile, but the file i wanted to link to seems to link to another file... compiler crashes on that (see above pastebin) |
| 19:19.04 | penguin1 | jeet: does it crash or does it only complain? |
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| 19:19.39 | hrobt | penguin1: yeah |
| 19:19.40 | jeet | hmm complain |
| 19:19.43 | jeet | compilation terminates |
| 19:19.59 | jeet | oh i know my problem |
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| 19:20.06 | jeet | thing is foo/1 is linking fine |
| 19:20.11 | jeet | but the .h it wants is in foo/2 |
| 19:20.19 | jeet | in the compiler command i pass foo/1 |
| 19:20.36 | hrobt | penguin1: ah mind you from ubuntu I think |
| 19:20.38 | jeet | #include a/b/c.h in my c++ program |
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| 19:21.23 | jeet | but /usr/include was given.. |
| 19:21.33 | jeet | i will just keep adding to the include list maybe |
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| 19:28.09 | jeet | g++ -o barecam bareCam.cpp `pkg-config --cflags --libs opencv` -I /usr/include/gstreamer-0.10 -I /usr/include/glib-2.0 -I /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/glib-2.0/include -I /usr/include/gstr -I /usr/include/libxml2 -L gstreamer-0.10 -vg++ -o barecam bareCam.cpp `pkg-config --cflags --libs opencv` -I /usr/include/gstreamer-0.10 -I /usr/include/glib-2.0 -I /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/glib-2.0/include -I /usr/include/gstr -I /usr/include/l |
| 19:28.14 | jeet | is there something wrong with my -L? |
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| 19:28.52 | jeet | now i get appsink was not declared in this scope |
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| 19:29.35 | penguin1 | hrobt: and nvidia-current cannot be installed on the system? |
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| 19:30.58 | t3hb055nueb | Hi, how do I get this in my terminal???? /pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Shadow-Password-HOWTO |
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| 19:34.13 | penguin1 | http://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
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| 19:35.08 | penguin1 | why do they write one has to add that line to fstab? |
| 19:35.11 | penguin1 | is this bug already resolved? |
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| 19:40.17 | jelly-home | what is this "nvidia-current" anyway |
| 19:40.19 | ompaul | penguin1: read the page you pointed to, it seems there is a version of the opinion that says it may not be the ideal solution |
| 19:40.45 | oskie | all LVM commands are stuck, and as a side effect, kernel upgrade fails as well (it's just stuck). any idea how to mitigate? dmsetup remove is stuck as well |
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| 19:40.54 | penguin1 | ompaul: where do they write this? I can't find the line |
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| 19:41.45 | ompaul | penguin1: it's a long page read Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:17:38 +0530 |
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| 19:42.00 | jelly-home | oskie: any other previous errors in dmesg / /var/log/kern.log? |
| 19:42.05 | tuxlover | hi i got problems with the last update in wheezy |
| 19:42.15 | tuxlover | sgml-data is causing trouble |
| 19:42.25 | oskie | jelly-home: nope, but I know this problem started when I removed some virtual volumes from this server (it's virtual) |
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| 19:43.20 | jelly-home | oskie: did you remove the devices in a clean, safe way? |
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| 19:44.55 | jelly-home | oskie: in other words, did you stop any usage thereof, including (but not limited to) umounting, stopping VGs or removing PVs from them, and finally telling the kernel to disconnect them with echo 1 > /sys/block/sdwhatever/device/delete? |
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| 19:45.22 | oskie | jelly-home: i unmounted, but didn't stop VGs :) |
| 19:45.36 | jelly-home | oskie: reboot forcibly, and learn your lesson |
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| 19:45.50 | oskie | what happens if I do echo 1 > /sys/block/sdwhatever/device/delete now? |
| 19:45.51 | penguin1 | ompaul: ah, the bug page |
| 19:45.59 | jelly-home | oskie: it's too late |
| 19:47.30 | oskie | jelly-home: the problem is, I did apt-get upgrade after the problem occured, and now the kernel image is broken (iF state) |
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| 19:47.59 | enapupe | svn client, which? |
| 19:48.04 | oskie | because it was unable to run grub because grub hangs (because the LVM subsystem is completely stuck) |
| 19:48.24 | jelly-home | oskie: you might have to boot a livecd or some other rescue image if your system doesn't reboot normally |
| 19:48.30 | enapupe | i'm not a svn user, i'm going to make some "CO"s once in a while |
| 19:48.31 | penguin1 | ompaul: Mailing list archives are user unfriendly and a pain generally |
| 19:48.46 | jelly-home | oskie: in any case, there's a forced reboot in the future |
| 19:48.53 | oskie | jelly-home: great...heh. this is a critical db server in a production system |
| 19:49.02 | Bsims | boot a live-cd and re-run grub sounds like the best way to fix it |
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| 19:51.06 | ompaul | penguin1: you pointed to the page which I read and followed. |
| 19:51.11 | worstadmin | Question - When I set a cronjob to * *\2 * * * - is it even two hours even on the day? Or every two hours from when the crontab is set? |
| 19:51.16 | ompaul | penguin1: it's hardly magic ;-) |
| 19:51.21 | jelly-home | oskie: sane people don't remove disks in unsafe ways on prod. systems! |
| 19:51.22 | worstadmin | *EVery two hours |
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| 19:51.57 | penguin1 | ompaul: ok, they discuss there, but where do they find out what way would be the most elegant? |
| 19:52.00 | ompaul | worstadmin: if you did */2 it would work better |
| 19:52.12 | ompaul | penguin1: contribute to the bug |
| 19:52.13 | oskie | jelly-home: well, LVM so far hasn't been anything but trouble. all semi-advanced operations I've tried so far (like snapshotting) resulted in kernel/debian bugs being triggered... |
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| 19:53.03 | worstadmin | ompaul: TYpo |
| 19:53.09 | ompaul | penguin1: test, check provide result, however if there is more than one sane way to label things then a little engine that respects that and does the label for fstab would be good would it not |
| 19:53.20 | ompaul | worstadmin: so then the answer is yes |
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| 19:53.30 | tuxlover | it says a script did not run correctly |
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| 19:55.06 | ompaul | worstadmin: read this http://serverfault.com/questions/43510/running-cron-every-2-hours answered Oct 19 '10 at 16:17 and the one after it aiui it's two hours after the machine starts but I could be corrected on that |
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| 19:55.39 | ompaul | worstadmin: cos you could have a minute thing that reads */57 so that's every 57 minutes |
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| 19:59.27 | gedO | Hello, I want to set up mail server on debian |
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| 19:59.33 | gedO | what software you prefure to use??/ |
| 19:59.35 | DammitJim | with 0.17.2.1, how do I install engage? |
| 19:59.41 | DammitJim | I had it running with 0.17.1 |
| 19:59.45 | gedO | I'm thinking about courier and postfix |
| 19:59.51 | DammitJim | sorry |
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| 20:01.52 | tuxlover | ok i found out that the group staff is missin in my /etc/group. what is the usual gid of this group. can anybody tell me please? |
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| 20:02.17 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | 50 |
| 20:02.28 | tuxlover | ok thanks |
| 20:02.36 | tuxlover | :) |
| 20:02.39 | tuxlover | now i can update |
| 20:03.30 | markovh | the group "staff"? |
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| 20:04.05 | TheWarden | Is this the correct why to install grub to usb, grub-install --force --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/usb /dev/sdb1 ? |
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| 20:04.52 | tuxlover | no i got an error when updating sgml-base that one of the configutration files failed because group staff is a unknown group |
| 20:05.00 | tuxlover | hence all othe updates are failing too |
| 20:05.02 | TheWarden | ahh no remove partition number and that should be good I think |
| 20:05.03 | Lis | hello everyone again |
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| 20:05.27 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.38 | ompaul | See http://bugs.debian.org/299007 for details. |
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| 20:06.07 | ompaul | tuxlover: I use 5000 for that but that's just me |
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| 20:07.47 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Ok guys. Server is tcpserver, Client is telnet. How do i get remote $TERM variable from client? |
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| 20:12.58 | tuxlover | ok thanks alot ompaul |
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| 20:13.08 | tuxlover | i gotto go cu |
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| 20:22.40 | TheWarden | Anyone here happen to know how to install packages via preseed file from backports? |
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| 20:45.05 | Scall | Hello everyone, a curiosity: I've seen that in the scripts within "/etc/init.d/" there are lines that begin with "log_begin_msg", what is this? I suppose it isn't a command, because I can't find it. So what is "log_begin_msg" and what is its meaning? Thanks in advance. |
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| 20:48.18 | jordanm | Scall, it's a shell function defined in /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 20:48.19 | Scall | I would like to know in which man page it is documented. |
| 20:48.45 | daemonkeeper | Scall: You didn't read very well then. Open /lib/lsb/init-functions. |
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| 20:50.57 | Scall | oh OK, I've hit enter before to read the jordanm's answer. Thank you :) |
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| 21:08.03 | alex_global | hey folks |
| 21:08.26 | alex_global | I just register new name however my inbox was full and letter bounced |
| 21:08.27 | alex_global | I used /msg nickserv resend |
| 21:08.34 | alex_global | it says is invalid command ? :) |
| 21:08.52 | alex_global | how do i ask nickserv to resend confirmation email? |
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| 21:09.25 | nully | alex_global: Try asking that same question in #freenode (this is #debian) |
| 21:09.36 | alex_global | thanks |
| 21:09.37 | alex_global | :) |
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| 21:12.17 | EstebanMonge | exit |
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| 21:13.14 | spm_Draget | I configured autofs and in my nsswitch.conf I have automount: ldap files. I want autofs to load the settings from the LDAP *and* the local files. Is this possible? It seems to ignore my local files |
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| 21:33.21 | truexfan81 | anyone know what the e17 window decorator is called? i want to use it with xfce |
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| 21:34.48 | TheWarden | can anyone suggest how to add packages from backports with a preseed file? |
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| 21:39.10 | debdeb | hi. i need an hint: with LUKS i can use a passphrase in a key-slot or a keyfile in another slot. how do i manage it to use a keyfile _plus_ a password? |
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| 21:42.04 | debdeb | the first i think of, is to symmetric-encrypt the keyfile |
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| 21:42.45 | debdeb | but is there a allready made pakage for? |
| 21:42.54 | debdeb | package |
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| 21:47.58 | tinkster | aptitude install libpcre++-dev |
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| 21:48.36 | tinkster | ldconfig -v | grep libpcre++ |
| 21:48.40 | tinkster | ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libpcre++.so: No such file or directory |
| 21:48.54 | tinkster | It creates a symlink ot a file that doesn't exist |
| 21:49.01 | tinkster | ^ot^to |
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| 22:00.49 | linguini | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Sorry, I just noticed you asked me a question yesterday. I want to log what keys I press because I'm thinking of changing the layout of my keyboard. My fingers get sore, and I'm curious exactly how many times I hit what keys. |
| 22:02.46 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | linguini, I am... rolfing XDDDDDD |
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| 22:04.01 | linguini | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Ah, good! |
| 22:04.53 | linguini | I'm also interested in how my typing statistics will change if I go from QWERTY to Dvorak. |
| 22:05.14 | linguini | Ideally, I'd like something like vnstat, but for keys. |
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| 22:07.34 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | linguini, I am on "long" holidays in france. AND I HATE THEIR AZERTY KEYBOARDS! |
| 22:07.55 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | They just swapped like 3-4 keys and happy that they are independent! |
| 22:07.55 | `Z` | lol. |
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| 22:08.25 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Really. Its unpossible to use |
| 22:08.28 | `Z` | im french and using azerty right now. |
| 22:08.52 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | And i am a person who can type even with legs without looking at qwerty |
| 22:09.01 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ITS NOT SO EASY TO MOVE TO AZERYT! |
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| 22:09.45 | `Z` | well, I don't think the problem is the azerty layout. This problem happen to everyone when switching keyboard layout you know |
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| 22:09.59 | `Z` | and we don't think the french keyboard layout make us independent. seriously =] |
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| 22:10.06 | `Z` | cheese does. |
| 22:10.14 | `Z` | (kk, just joking) |
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| 22:11.31 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | You french goverment is really "going in wrong dirrection" by trying inventing their own words and keyboard layouts |
| 22:11.35 | geggam | cheese ? .. .i dont even remeber ever hearing about french cheese... french whining yes |
| 22:11.40 | geggam | >:] |
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| 22:12.23 | `Z` | actuallly, if you're an english speaker, you should know that a part of your words are derived from us |
| 22:12.46 | CissWit | i think you are all going in the wrong direction talking about that in #debian |
| 22:12.47 | `Z` | and government does not invent word. |
| 22:12.54 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Ordinator? |
| 22:13.00 | `Z` | Ordinateur |
| 22:13.06 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | What ever |
| 22:13.18 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | CissWit, Shut up. We are having a conversation |
| 22:13.38 | geggam | more latin than french... but i think we should all realize the world is getting to be a small place ... and japan is about to make us all happy :) |
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| 22:13.44 | baba | any debain pkg manager there to help ? |
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| 22:14.05 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | `Z`, Really. I am happy when all languages start to use same words for everything. That makes world easyer to understand |
| 22:14.15 | `Z` | geggam actually not latine, since it was the french who owned the british kingdom for a while, not the latine. |
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| 22:14.54 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But really. 100 year war and you are so mad you wanna make visitors from other countries cry using you azerty? |
| 22:15.04 | `Z` | haha |
| 22:15.06 | geggam | is part native american... so put that in your pipe and smoke it :) |
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| 22:15.33 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | And who owned russia? Who owned bitchez? |
| 22:15.41 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | No one. |
| 22:15.43 | geggam | who wants to own russia ? |
| 22:15.46 | `Z` | +1 |
| 22:15.47 | geggam | russia owns u |
| 22:16.04 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | You naposomething almost died running away from there |
| 22:16.07 | CissWit | what's the point can't you just "loadkeys us" ? that's what i do when going to us, i don't stupidly whine about how wrong a keyboard is or is not |
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| 22:16.25 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Greek people just been scared by the fact that water can become solid |
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| 22:16.34 | geggam | greek fire cures that :) |
| 22:16.35 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Hittler suicided |
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| 22:16.50 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | COME AT ME BRO! |
| 22:16.59 | Hydroxide | geggam, LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: please keep #debian focused on Debian user support. feel free to go to #debian-offtopic for those conversations |
| 22:17.10 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Hydroxide, Are you a op? |
| 22:17.13 | Hydroxide | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: yes. |
| 22:17.20 | geggam | and the great thing about all of this is the fact debian works in all these places |
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| 22:17.24 | geggam | hooks into debian |
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| 22:18.16 | jeet | any ideas why this program returns null Mat objects? |
| 22:18.39 | jeet | http://paste.debian.net/248567/ |
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| 22:21.51 | tinkster | Anyone having problems with projects trying to to use libpcre++ in squeeze? |
| 22:22.13 | petn-randall | tinkster: Are you taking a survey? |
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| 22:22.17 | tinkster | what I see here is the package creating a symlink to a non-existing file |
| 22:22.26 | tinkster | Yeah petn-randall |
| 22:22.36 | tinkster | that's my favourite passtime |
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| 22:23.34 | tinkster | Just wondering whether my (re-)installed package is broken, or whether this is a feature worth reporting to the maintainers |
| 22:23.54 | tinkster | If it's isolated to my install I won't bother |
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| 22:26.10 | petn-randall | tinkster: libpcre++0 ships with /usr/lib/libpcre++.so.0.0.0, and a symlink to it from libpcre++.so.0. |
| 22:26.33 | petn-randall | tinkster: And yours is different? |
| 22:27.42 | tinkster | I have a symlink, but it's dangling: /usr/lib/libpcre++.so -> libpcre++.so.0.0.0 |
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| 22:27.53 | tinkster | there's no actual libpcre++.so.0.0.0 |
| 22:28.26 | petn-randall | tinkster: what does apt-cache policy libpcre++0 say? ==> http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:29.43 | tinkster | ugh |
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| 22:29.44 | tinkster | thanks |
| 22:29.52 | tinkster | not installed |
| 22:29.59 | tinkster | I only have the dev package |
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| 22:30.48 | petn-randall | tinkster: you're welcome |
| 22:30.51 | petn-randall | :) |
| 22:31.53 | tinkster | heh |
| 22:32.08 | tinkster | it's very refreshing to feel utterly stupid ;} |
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| 22:41.05 | geggam | pointless to be in a channel one cannot converse in... thanks for giving me a bad taste for debian dondelelcaro .. for whatever reason that little +q has crystalized my choice to end a 13 yr use of this operating system |
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| 22:42.28 | Vicissitude | don't blame debian for this. that's not fair |
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| 22:43.53 | petn-randall | Whatever float your boat, hehe :P |
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| 22:52.54 | thoonai | hey, having trouble with my hostapd. clients can't connect to ap because they disconnect as soon as they connect to it |
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| 22:54.12 | thoonai | hostapd runs on a bridge and has bridge=br0 entered |
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| 22:56.06 | thoonai | someone here? |
| 22:56.19 | sharky | yup |
| 22:56.45 | thoonai | cool - someone here wanting me to help with hostapd? ;) |
| 22:57.11 | sharky | I haven't used that |
| 22:57.52 | thoonai | sharky: I feared that |
| 22:59.25 | sharky | thoonai, :) looks interesting though |
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| 23:00.09 | thoonai | I don't get why the clients disconnect after joining :| |
| 23:00.35 | sharky | so you create access points with it? |
| 23:00.45 | thoonai | yes |
| 23:00.54 | petn-randall | tinkster: Happens to everyone once in a while. At least we got it solved quickly. :) |
| 23:01.08 | thoonai | no - I want too though it doesn't work as expected |
| 23:01.11 | tinkster | true that, and thanks again :} |
| 23:01.49 | sharky | thoonai, did you try different clients |
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| 23:01.57 | thoonai | yes |
| 23:02.00 | thoonai | same too all |
| 23:02.22 | sharky | then it should be the server that disconnects them |
| 23:02.46 | sharky | isn't there a log of that daemon where you can see what is going on |
| 23:03.01 | sharky | or start it in verbose mode |
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| 23:04.26 | sharky | you need to monitor all singles steps of a client authenticating, connecting till disconnecting |
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| 23:05.12 | sharky | maybe also make sure your wifi card is in right mode |
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| 23:11.08 | thoonai | sharky: ok |
| 23:11.20 | thoonai | how do I check my wifi card mode? |
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| 23:11.48 | abrotman | hands ewindisch a cheesesteak |
| 23:12.02 | sharky | thoonai, as root iwconfig |
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| 23:13.33 | thoonai | sharky: I have no iwconfig |
| 23:13.44 | abrotman | as root/ |
| 23:13.45 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:14.10 | jordanm | it's part of the wireless-tools package |
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| 23:14.46 | thoonai | abrotman: I am root |
| 23:16.06 | thoonai | ok it says https://etherpad.mozilla.org/dpMBsSK1ql |
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| 23:16.53 | jordanm | Mode:Master |
| 23:17.29 | thoonai | its the right mode for accesspoints, or? |
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| 23:18.10 | jordanm | for the wifi card to function *as* an AP? yes |
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| 23:19.20 | thoonai | yeah I want to build an access point and hostapd doesnt work |
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| 23:21.44 | debdeb | i would first switch to a system, which is spezialised for a wlan-router/-acces-point and look if my hardware works and how... and if that works, i would switch back to debian |
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| 23:22.30 | abrotman | would first try to connect to an AP with the device in client mode to make sure he has the driver sorted out |
| 23:22.47 | debdeb | assuming, i would be not that experienced ^^ |
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| 23:24.19 | thoonai | driver works |
| 23:24.51 | debdeb | i still have no clue how to use LUKS with keyfile+password... reading LUKS-doku for hours now ;-( |
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| 23:25.21 | M-16 | hi |
| 23:25.29 | debdeb | isnt there something like the "4-eyes-prinzip"? |
| 23:25.58 | M-16 | the default font in chromium is quite ugly, what can i do to improve it? |
| 23:26.23 | thoonai | now I get this error message |
| 23:26.24 | thoonai | s |
| 23:27.21 | thoonai | https://etherpad.mozilla.org/dpMBsSK1ql |
| 23:28.02 | phrac | M-16: for fonts on web pages: Settings -> Advanced Settings -> Web Content |
| 23:28.20 | phrac | M-16: for the menu's/bookmarks/etc adjust your GTK font |
| 23:28.29 | M-16 | phrac, ty |
| 23:29.26 | sharky | thoonai, I think you need to read some tutorials on how to create AP on linux and you will get it right |
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| 23:29.49 | thoonai | the setup seems to be right :| |
| 23:29.57 | sharky | thoonai, did you follow some tutorial or how did you do it, I can send you some links I just saw |
| 23:30.33 | sharky | thoonai, go through the following and verify your setup first |
| 23:30.44 | sharky | http://exain.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/making-a-wifi-hotspot-access-point-using-linux-wifi-lan-cardusb-adapter/ |
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| 23:30.55 | sharky | http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/442417-create-a-secure-linux-based-wireless-access-point |
| 23:31.36 | sharky | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/MasterMode |
| 23:31.46 | sharky | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint |
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| 23:33.18 | sharky | thoonai, if you read this (it is not so much) I think most you will get it right, if it still does not work you can ask again here of course, but try to get more info |
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| 23:33.45 | thoonai | this would be tutorial 7 or 8 ;) |
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| 23:34.08 | thoonai | it worked until the bridge worked |
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| 23:36.08 | sharky | thoonai, other than that we can look in your log file and see things like "disassociated due to inactivity" |
| 23:36.28 | sharky | or "deauthenticated due to inactivity" |
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| 23:37.23 | sharky | which suggests that there is maybe a setting somewhere that sets how long inactivity is or so |
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| 23:38.22 | thoonai | sharky: its about this: IEEE 802.11: deauthenticated due to local deauth request |
| 23:39.00 | sharky | thoonai, yes I saw this too |
| 23:39.11 | thoonai | this is worrying me :( |
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| 23:40.15 | sharky | thoonai, in that case google helps, try this http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=117970 |
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| 23:41.10 | sharky | thoonai, in hostapd.conf put eapol_version=1 |
| 23:41.19 | thoonai | thanks |
| 23:41.31 | thoonai | I'll give it a try |
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| 23:43.58 | thoonai | sharky: <3 |
| 23:44.22 | sharky | thoonai, does it work |
| 23:44.53 | thoonai | sharky: somehow |
| 23:45.25 | sharky | because I found some mail lists where ppl are discussing some kernel bugs |
| 23:45.34 | thoonai | lol |
| 23:45.56 | thoonai | I searched with the wrong expressions :( |
| 23:46.00 | sharky | I will give it to as a reference if something is not still not right |
| 23:46.03 | sharky | http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg57914.html |
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| 23:47.32 | debdeb | another thing: how do you manage a "one system fits all"? |
| 23:47.42 | sharky | thoonai, good night man I need some sleep |
| 23:47.50 | debdeb | i mean: setup one system and use it on several hardware |
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| 23:48.09 | thoonai | sharky: good night |
| 23:48.16 | thoonai | debdeb: ? |
| 23:48.17 | debdeb | something like "hardware-profiles" |
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| 23:50.18 | debdeb | for example: just copy the system to another pc... at boot check, on which system it is now and chooses a different video-driver then |
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| 23:55.51 | icarious | ETA for Wheezy |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | NA |
| 23:56.16 | icarious | abrotman: was that my reply? |
| 23:56.53 | abrotman | Yes |
| 23:56.58 | icarious | lol ok |
| 23:57.06 | peterrooney | !wwwr |
| 23:57.06 | abrotman | month or two? |
| 23:57.07 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 23:58.21 | debdeb | *g* wwwr |
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| 23:58.57 | icarious | i have a doubt on chromium-browser which is present in the Debian "main" afaik. now i come from a libre distro background. some of the files are unlicensed and are not clear for chromium. did the debian project modify or remove them? |
| 23:59.31 | abrotman | icarious: you can check the changelog |
| 23:59.40 | icarious | abrotman: k |
