| 00:00.14 | abrotman | archived bugs might help also |
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| 00:00.54 | icarious | ok i will have a look |
| 00:01.11 | icarious | i haven't been on Debian since a long time. but might come back when 7 comes out |
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| 00:09.30 | Vicissitude | and how will you know when it comes out? |
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| 00:14.29 | abrotman | release announcement |
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| 00:19.58 | miup | what do you think, what is a good file system for ~ 500GB of data. File size is about 2-5MB |
| 00:20.42 | ParkerR | miup, anything ext2 or above should be fine |
| 00:20.57 | ParkerR | If you plan to use the filesystem on windows too fat32 or ntfs |
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| 00:24.05 | miup | ParkerR, nope, it's for a tiny home server (: |
| 00:24.48 | miup | in my house, windows has no place |
| 00:26.06 | Towzzer | how do you get fresh air? |
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| 00:27.08 | miup | air conditioning for the server :P |
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| 00:32.32 | miup | thanks @ ParkerR |
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| 01:07.34 | hasdf | ho |
| 01:08.03 | Gons313131 | Hi, can someone find the first song of this vid ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJm8geR3fY4 |
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| 01:09.41 | abrotman | Gons313131: wrong channel, try #defocus |
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| 01:10.05 | Quest | for a running system that cannot be shut down for unsaid reasonsm isnt there a proper way / perfect or close way to clone full HDD with mbr to a new HDD? |
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| 01:10.35 | markovh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | Quest: as a snapshot, single image? |
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| 01:10.59 | abrotman | oh that's right .. the Ubuntu user |
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| 01:11.04 | Gons313131 | thanks abrotman |
| 01:11.07 | debdeb | on a running system? |
| 01:11.18 | Quest | marienz, is it possible to unmount and remount an OS /? |
| 01:11.23 | nevyn | lvm snapshot |
| 01:11.27 | debdeb | or what does it have to do with the shutdown? |
| 01:11.30 | nevyn | but it'll only be crash consistant |
| 01:11.31 | Quest | abrotman, HD clone |
| 01:11.32 | markovh | Quest: yep, google remount read only |
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| 01:11.48 | markovh | Quest: once that's done, just dd if=/dev/sda of=someotherharddrive |
| 01:11.49 | Quest | markovh, no need to shutdown? |
| 01:11.53 | abrotman | which may or may not cause your system to crash |
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| 01:12.03 | abrotman | or your apps to stop working |
| 01:12.06 | markovh | Quest: no, as i said, google it. there's plenty guides on it |
| 01:12.07 | Quest | markovh, no bs switch? |
| 01:12.13 | markovh | Quest: bs? |
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| 01:12.31 | boudiccas | bullshit |
| 01:12.42 | markovh | i don't get the context in this case however |
| 01:12.43 | Quest | bs64 512 etc |
| 01:12.49 | LtL | block size |
| 01:12.50 | nevyn | blocksize |
| 01:12.50 | markovh | blocksize? |
| 01:12.56 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.59 | Quest | ya |
| 01:12.59 | markovh | no |
| 01:13.13 | markovh | dd automatically increases the block size it copies with over time |
| 01:13.17 | nevyn | Quest: you can't do that with a readwrite filesystem |
| 01:13.21 | debdeb | bs= just fpr speed |
| 01:13.24 | Quest | ok |
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| 01:13.37 | markovh | nevyn: well you can, but you'd most likely have a corrupt filesystem by the end |
| 01:13.44 | debdeb | but i still dont get it |
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| 01:13.54 | debdeb | what does it have to do with shutdown? |
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| 01:14.01 | markovh | Quest: take into account the ramifications of mounting it as read only however |
| 01:14.20 | Quest | abrotman, nevyn marienz so readonly mount is safe? |
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| 01:14.43 | markovh | Quest: as in, if you have applications that require writing files, it will stop some stuff running. It's quite natural to have a fairly working os with / mounted as read only. i've had it a couple times if the disk or filesystem encounters an error, it'll auto remount / as read only to prevent problems |
| 01:15.03 | abrotman | Quest: i have no desire to get involved. Your Ubuntu shenanigans the other day were enough for me |
| 01:15.05 | markovh | you'll get a few applications complaining but it almost goes unnoticed in other cases |
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| 01:15.23 | debdeb | else: if it doesent shutdown... use SYSRQ-keys to reboot into a cd/usb-stick and do the backup there |
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| 01:16.30 | nevyn | debdeb: the requirement is online. |
| 01:16.36 | nevyn | without shutting down the system |
| 01:16.43 | markovh | debdeb: question, how fast could you shift a 2m cubed box of pens from one box to another? |
| 01:16.59 | markovh | bezaban: now imagine you have to transfer one pen at a time,....now imagine you could transfer one handfull |
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| 01:17.15 | markovh | now imagine you try transfer more pens than you can carry and shit yourself and drop them all... |
| 01:17.31 | markovh | bs is the block size at a time to transfer. ideally something you can handle in memory nicely |
| 01:17.49 | markovh | woops wrong highlighted |
| 01:17.51 | nevyn | memory is REALLY BIG these days. |
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| 01:20.24 | bezaban | no worries :) |
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| 01:21.29 | jparkton | when updating my kernel I see two of them in dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii which one do I install? |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | jparkton: the metapackage |
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| 01:22.04 | jparkton | ok |
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| 01:22.24 | abrotman | jparkton: or rather, you should have a metapackage installed |
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| 01:23.06 | jparkton | I already have one installed |
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| 01:23.31 | abrotman | jparkton: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:23.33 | jparkton | but im trying to follow the upgrade doc on debian.org and im at the part for updating my kernel |
| 01:23.40 | jparkton | maybe I am doing it right maybe nort |
| 01:23.43 | jparkton | :) |
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| 01:23.56 | abrotman | jparkton: from squeeze to wheezy? or lenny to squeeze? |
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| 01:24.27 | nevyn | or squeeze to a bdo kernel? |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | i'm guesing if he's reading from debian.org, it's not that |
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| 01:25.55 | jparkton | squeeze to wheezy |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | if oyu've already changed your sources.list, install your metapackage kernel again .. it should grab the newer one from wheezy, a 3.2.x kernel |
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| 01:27.21 | jparkton | yeah it is but I am missing linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 so how do I correct that at this point? |
| 01:27.30 | jparkton | just after the kernel upgrade install them? |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | or install them at the same time |
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| 01:29.07 | jparkton | ugh |
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| 01:29.34 | abrotman | that sounds promising |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | jparkton: just so you know, there's a metapackage for your linux-headers also |
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| 01:30.53 | debdeb | argh... $ dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1K count=1 of=test.img ; cp test.img 2test.img ; gpg -c test.img ; gpg -c 2test.img ; diff test.img.gpg 2test.img.gpg |
| 01:31.04 | debdeb | its different |
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| 01:31.22 | debdeb | which is quite good if i would want it |
| 01:31.36 | debdeb | oh... same passphrase |
| 01:31.44 | markovh | debdeb: that's a very good thing |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | debdeb: md5sum might be more useful ? |
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| 01:32.20 | markovh | if they were the same, you could know that 2 encrypted files or blocks held the same contents |
| 01:32.23 | debdeb | md5sum... same |
| 01:32.35 | debdeb | markovh: yes |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | i meant on the original .img files |
| 01:32.42 | debdeb | thats the good thing |
| 01:32.46 | jparkton | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/248587/ |
| 01:32.55 | debdeb | but _now_ i would like the same outcome |
| 01:33.04 | jparkton | gotta love nvidia |
| 01:33.05 | jparkton | :( |
| 01:33.26 | nevyn | no you don't. |
| 01:33.32 | markovh | debdeb: --s2k-mode |
| 01:33.34 | debdeb | abrotman: hm? |
| 01:33.35 | markovh | debdeb: man gpg |
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| 01:33.57 | markovh | debdeb: what are you trying to acomplish anyway |
| 01:34.09 | debdeb | a keyfile+password |
| 01:34.13 | debdeb | for LUKS |
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| 01:34.34 | abrotman | jparkton: hey, that's neat .. you need firmware and headers |
| 01:34.37 | debdeb | then i would use the .gpg-file as keyfile |
| 01:34.45 | markovh | why? |
| 01:34.51 | debdeb | why not? ;-) |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | jparkton: so install linux-headers-amd64 |
| 01:35.05 | jparkton | alrighty |
| 01:35.10 | debdeb | markovh: i dont want to alter the original keyfile |
| 01:35.24 | markovh | debdeb: in this case, there's no reason to do it... it'd be like if i insted having a password of all numbers that could be devided by 71... |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | jparkton: also install firmware-realtek |
| 01:35.33 | debdeb | because it should look like a picture or such |
| 01:35.48 | markovh | ahhh. you want an original file that you can alter with a passphrase to generate multiple different keys? |
| 01:36.04 | debdeb | markovh: right |
| 01:36.27 | debdeb | but with the same pasphrase it should be the same .gpg file then |
| 01:36.36 | debdeb | but now i do a man gpg first |
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| 01:37.01 | markovh | debdeb: this sounds incredily dodge... |
| 01:37.13 | markovh | i'd suggest looking up best practices for luk and generating keys... |
| 01:37.20 | debdeb | markovh: and right... i would like to use the same keyfile for more things |
| 01:37.36 | markovh | a lesson on crypto... if you do it yourself, it'll most likely have huge holes in it |
| 01:37.45 | debdeb | and it should not look like a crypted file |
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| 01:37.55 | debdeb | markovh: *g* |
| 01:38.36 | markovh | why do you need a file to begin with? |
| 01:38.58 | debdeb | file is on stick |
| 01:39.11 | debdeb | somethin "i have" + something "i know" |
| 01:39.55 | debdeb | LUKS itself seems to only use either a keyfile _or_ password... not booth |
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| 01:40.32 | debdeb | and i want booth |
| 01:40.37 | debdeb | both |
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| 01:41.18 | ChibaPet | Is VNC my best bet for screen sharing with no real interface on the server side? Are there better options? |
| 01:41.29 | debdeb | yes |
| 01:41.45 | debdeb | but |
| 01:41.47 | ChibaPet | Which one are you answering? :P |
| 01:41.51 | debdeb | it depends |
| 01:41.59 | debdeb | you... to vnc |
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| 01:42.22 | ChibaPet | So, what I have here is essentially a kiosk machine. It launches a user from inittab, and that user's .bashrc runs a maximized Firefox. |
| 01:42.24 | debdeb | err... to the "better" |
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| 01:42.58 | ChibaPet | It's not meant to be foolproof, but I want to be able to have a representation of the screen in a window, move the mouse and click it, and I'll be happy. |
| 01:43.04 | debdeb | for example: on a fast network...x-forwarding is often better |
| 01:43.07 | jparkton | abrotman, I installed the realtek package but when I run install headers I get http://paste.debian.net/248588/ |
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| 01:43.27 | ChibaPet | Hm, how would I do X forwarding such that I can control the remote screen and see a copy here? |
| 01:43.28 | debdeb | rdp is on slow lines often better |
| 01:43.35 | thoonai | I have the same error again :( |
| 01:43.38 | ChibaPet | This is on 100-megabit ether. |
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| 01:43.42 | thoonai | damn hostapd |
| 01:43.44 | debdeb | if you want sound.... usb on network... rdp, too |
| 01:44.13 | ChibaPet | Nah, all the graphics and sound are on the kiosk. I just want to be able to see its screen in a window and manipulate its mouse, which might not even be plugged into it. |
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| 01:44.16 | abrotman | jparkton: looking |
| 01:44.39 | debdeb | one of the easiest is vnc then |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | jparkton: apt-get -f install |
| 01:44.56 | debdeb | if you need encryption: +ssh |
| 01:45.08 | ChibaPet | Do you know offhand if I can use that such that there's no interface on the kiosk machine? |
| 01:45.22 | debdeb | or some types of vnc have encryption, too... but i would prefer ssh |
| 01:45.34 | jparkton | ahh true |
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| 01:45.39 | ChibaPet | Right now there's no desktop environment, no display manager, etc. Just startx, an x server, and Firefox. |
| 01:46.01 | ChibaPet | I'd use Synergy if my eyes were better. :P |
| 01:46.46 | debdeb | yes. can be used. why not? |
| 01:46.56 | ChibaPet | Why not Synergy? |
| 01:46.57 | jparkton | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/248589/ |
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| 01:47.11 | ChibaPet | My eyes aren't good enough to actually see the mouse on the kiosk box. |
| 01:47.21 | ChibaPet | Trying VNC anyway. Can't hurt. |
| 01:47.25 | debdeb | buy a bigger mouse |
| 01:47.27 | debdeb | ;-) |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | jparkton: pastebin your sources.list |
| 01:48.19 | thoonai | my problem suddenly changed m| now I can't reach the bridged network from within the wireless lan and vice versa |
| 01:48.21 | ChibaPet | prepares to see bolts in its neck. |
| 01:49.15 | debdeb | on some vnc-clients you can zoom |
| 01:49.39 | jparkton | omg |
| 01:49.43 | jparkton | facedesks |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | ow? |
| 01:49.53 | thoonai | still having problems with my hostapd |
| 01:49.57 | jparkton | forgive me abrotman I was wasting your time haha |
| 01:50.06 | abrotman | jparkton: this is a Win32 box? |
| 01:50.08 | jparkton | sources is borked |
| 01:50.13 | ChibaPet | jparkton: Bolts in its neck! |
| 01:50.20 | jparkton | hmmm point me in the direction of a good copy? |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | !tell jparkton about wheezy sources.list |
| 01:50.50 | jparkton | nahhh all my lists had was dummy links like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 01:51.15 | ChibaPet | jparkton: That's... not bad. That's just an alias for Wheezy. |
| 01:51.29 | dvs | soon to be jessie |
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| 01:51.33 | ChibaPet | jparkton: apt-get update (or aptitude update) as root to make sure it's up to date and consistent. |
| 01:52.08 | abrotman | he should probaly be pointing at hweezy |
| 01:52.15 | jparkton | yeah |
| 01:52.22 | jparkton | Im not ready for jessy :P |
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| 01:55.16 | jparkton | abrotman, is this ok http://paste.debian.net/248591/ |
| 01:55.49 | thoonai | hey, one side of the bridge can ping the brigde and not the clients on the other side of the bridge while these clients can't neither ping the bridge nor the first side clients |
| 01:55.53 | abrotman | OMG!!!! |
| 01:56.15 | jparkton | broken :( |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | jparkton: i'd comment out 14/15 |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | jparkton: you can re-enable wheezy-proposed-updates after release if ytou really want them |
| 01:57.50 | jparkton | It still gives me those same broken package messages after update |
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| 01:58.00 | jparkton | I feel this is going to be painful lol |
| 01:58.07 | ChibaPet | jparkton: how are you updating? |
| 01:58.19 | debdeb | markovh: $ dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1K count=1 of=test.img ; cp test.img 2test.img ; gpg -c --s2k-mode 0 test.img ; gpg -c --s2k-mode 0 2test.img ; md5sum test.img.gpg 2test.img.gpg |
| 01:58.25 | debdeb | still different |
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| 01:58.41 | jparkton | ChibaPet, I mean after running apt-get update |
| 01:58.46 | ChibaPet | jparkton: if things are already half in the weeds, this can be problematic, but try: "aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade" and then try tuning it |
| 01:58.58 | debdeb | but it goes i the right direction |
| 01:58.59 | ChibaPet | jparkton: alright, then: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:59.02 | debdeb | in |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | well, he should probably start with an aptitude -f install |
| 01:59.11 | jparkton | then I do apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 and I get the message E: Broken packages |
| 01:59.17 | ChibaPet | Oh, broken installs? |
| 01:59.17 | debdeb | oh... btw... nice warning from gpg ^^ |
| 01:59.22 | jparkton | ahh ok |
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| 02:01.02 | jparkton | yeah I did abrotman |
| 02:01.48 | jparkton | I was trying to do it by the docs and got borked on updating my kernel most likely due to my sources pointing to "testing" which may mean squeeze to jessy? |
| 02:01.59 | jparkton | and it was like apt-get install what? |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | no |
| 02:02.19 | ChibaPet | testing is wheezy now |
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| 02:02.25 | ChibaPet | testing won't be jessie until later |
| 02:02.35 | jparkton | ahh ok |
| 02:02.43 | abrotman | jparkton: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-am64 .. what does it say ? |
| 02:03.09 | jparkton | well I did the aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade |
| 02:03.18 | jparkton | so its running and doing installs now |
| 02:03.20 | themill | which docs? Upgrading the kernel separately shouldn't be necessary |
| 02:03.25 | jparkton | I have my finger crossed |
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| 02:03.42 | jparkton | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#kernel-metapackage |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | wonders if those are still for whez |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | squeeze |
| 02:04.18 | jparkton | actually here http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#network |
| 02:04.22 | themill | jparkton: but that's to be done after you've done the upgrade, not before |
| 02:04.28 | jparkton | I dont know why it says i386 though |
| 02:04.31 | jparkton | but whatever |
| 02:04.43 | jparkton | ohhhh ok that makes way more sense |
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| 02:06.21 | ChibaPet | debdeb: So, it looks like the VNC server wants to fire up a new desktop on a virtual screen. Do you know if it can simply connect to the existing :0.0 ? |
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| 02:06.42 | debdeb | x11vnc |
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| 02:07.04 | ChibaPet | oh, I hadn't seen that one - thanks |
| 02:07.23 | debdeb | there are alternatives... but i like that one |
| 02:07.31 | ChibaPet | It looks just right. Thanks! |
| 02:07.38 | roboman2444 | HAH |
| 02:07.54 | roboman2444 | apt-get update just told me i was downloading at over 2000 petabytes for a second |
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| 02:08.26 | ChibaPet | nice |
| 02:09.56 | debdeb | oh btw... does one know, if i use LUKS with keyfile... is the keyfile only used at luksopen... and when it is on a usb-stick... can i unmount it and still access the open LUKS-device? |
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| 02:10.47 | debdeb | dont want to crash my system right now for testing |
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| 02:11.55 | jwilliams_ | i have some hand written software and want it to be able to install on different distribution, perhaps by generating target package e.g. deb, etc. is there any good practice or recommended tool to write such installer script? |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | !tell jwilliams_ about nmg |
| 02:13.19 | debdeb | maaaaan... this man gpg iis _huge_ |
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| 02:14.14 | jwilliams_ | searching nmg and linux on google doesn't find any related software. |
| 02:14.24 | jwilliams_ | is it a software/ tool or best practice? |
| 02:14.25 | ChibaPet | debdeb: I'm not sure the keyfile is going to be significantly better than a passphrase if you want something you can unplug. |
| 02:14.30 | themill | jwilliams_: see what dpkg told you |
| 02:14.44 | ChibaPet | debdeb: But yeah, you should be able to remove the USB stick once you've got the filesystem mounted. |
| 02:14.50 | jwilliams_ | ok. thanks. |
| 02:15.04 | ChibaPet | debdeb: And thanks a lot! x11vnc is absolutely perfect. |
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| 02:15.17 | debdeb | ChibaPet: *g* i will try... if i am gone... it gone wrong ^^ |
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| 02:15.54 | Niichan | I'm having trouble installing Steam for linux on my debian system |
| 02:16.21 | Niichan | It won't let me install the requisite 32 bit libgl1-flgrx-glx package |
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| 02:16.54 | ChibaPet | debdeb: I told a friend that last night as I renamed my root volume group and failed to update my grub stage 0. |
| 02:16.55 | debdeb | ChibaPet: fyi... x11vnc can use only mouse and keyboard, too... if you dont want to see the desktop and want less network-traffic |
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| 02:17.37 | ChibaPet | debdeb: I need to see the desktop in this case. Figuring out if there's scaling now, since the kiosk is bigger than my desktop monitor. |
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| 02:18.33 | debdeb | i use it to use another program, which lets me use one mouse+keyboard to controll a screen on another computer... the mouse wanders from screen1 to screen2 on the other computer then seamless... like a multi-monitor-setup... but between 2 computers |
| 02:19.29 | ChibaPet | debdeb: I use Synergy for that, but these two computers are a room apart. |
| 02:20.02 | debdeb | mine, too... just the screens are one right of the other |
| 02:20.21 | datacrusher | I use synergy too, with 3 pcs works just fine |
| 02:20.32 | datacrusher | the pastebin goes wrong some times, but thats ok |
| 02:20.56 | jparkton | Is anyone familiar with the command line script that pastes to a site and gives you a link in terminal? |
| 02:21.04 | jparkton | ix.io or something like that? |
| 02:21.26 | ChibaPet | datacrusher: cool synergy trick - you can have it listen just to localhost, and pipe the client over ssh |
| 02:21.26 | dvs | jparkton: pastebinit? |
| 02:21.56 | jparkton | doesnt that paste to pastebin though? |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | can paste to other sites too |
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| 02:23.02 | jparkton | hah there is |
| 02:23.14 | jparkton | ix.io go to it thats the script first page :) |
| 02:23.27 | jparkton | no ads is what I like more than pastebin |
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| 02:24.15 | debdeb | i dont get it with gpg right now to get the same ciphertext out of 2 encryptions with same passphrase and out of same cleartext... maybe i need another aproach for LUKS with keyfile+password |
| 02:24.42 | jparkton | yes? |
| 02:25.58 | ChibaPet | debdeb: What's your goal with LUKS? Also, I don't think there's salting in GPG, so you should only ever get the same cyphertext out. |
| 02:26.17 | debdeb | ChibaPet: no i dont get the same |
| 02:26.22 | debdeb | and there is salting |
| 02:26.52 | debdeb | but it is not the same, when i switch off salting... its not the same, too |
| 02:27.16 | debdeb | for example: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1K count=1 of=test.img ; rm *.gpg ; gpg -c --s2k-mode 0 test.img ; mv test.img.gpg 2test.img.gpg ; gpg -c --s2k-mode 0 test.img ; md5sum test.img.gpg 2test.img.gpg |
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| 02:28.12 | debdeb | and the goal is: luks use keyfile _or_ password... but i want to use booth |
| 02:28.32 | debdeb | and the keyfile shouldnt change |
| 02:28.43 | debdeb | and should not look like crypted |
| 02:28.57 | debdeb | thats why i try the other way around |
| 02:29.31 | debdeb | not to decrypt the keyfile out of cryptfile with password and use that as a keyfiel for luks |
| 02:30.13 | debdeb | but do crypt the keyfile with password and use the encrypted as a keyfile for luks |
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| 02:30.32 | debdeb | unfortunately... for this the encrypted should allways be the same |
| 02:30.51 | ChibaPet | hrm |
| 02:31.34 | ChibaPet | I've never done it somehow using both keyphrase and file together. I'm not sure it's possible to do that. I think you can use any available unlocking option, not combinations. But I could easily be wrong. |
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| 02:32.09 | jparkton | I swear one day im gonna be a pythonista and some kind of package developer / maintainer |
| 02:32.18 | jparkton | yall love me through the nowtime |
| 02:32.19 | jparkton | :) |
| 02:32.24 | debdeb | yes... luks seems to not use both together... thats why i try this workaround with gpg |
| 02:33.06 | ChibaPet | debdeb: Try just using a very good passphrase. You can use one with spaces and multiple words. |
| 02:33.08 | debdeb | but i wonder why luks doesnt support such things |
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| 02:33.34 | datacrusher | ChibaPet: nice! ill give a shot |
| 02:33.53 | Niichan | I'm having trouble installing Steam for linux on my debian system |
| 02:33.56 | Niichan | It won't let me install the requisite 32 bit libgl1-flgrx-glx package |
| 02:34.02 | debdeb | passphrase is "something i know"... keyfile is "something i have"... its better to kombine both |
| 02:34.05 | debdeb | combine |
| 02:34.05 | datacrusher | but I mainly use with mixed ambients, mac -> debian > win7 |
| 02:34.37 | ChibaPet | debdeb: Hm. I just got some hits looking for "luks two-factor authentication" |
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| 02:35.06 | ChibaPet | Hm..... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_Encryption_with_LUKS#Using_GPG_or_OpenSSL_Encrypted_Keyfiles |
| 02:35.27 | debdeb | yes some... but either with smatcards... which i dont have... or with decryption of a keyfile... which i dont want |
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| 02:37.19 | debdeb | see... its in the url *g*... "encrypted keyfiles" |
| 02:38.37 | debdeb | but you see... other people has thought about it, too |
| 02:38.54 | ChibaPet | debdeb: Yeah, I wasn't looking for "encrypted keyfile" so much as two-factor auth. Hm. Looking more. |
| 02:38.56 | debdeb | i mean... luks with "two-factor-authentication" |
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| 02:39.03 | ChibaPet | yeah |
| 02:39.58 | debdeb | the next step would be "one-time-passwords" then ;-) |
| 02:40.05 | ChibaPet | hah |
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| 02:40.20 | ChibaPet | I wouldn't mind that. Mobile-OTP for LUKS. |
| 02:40.40 | debdeb | i have done that once... ssh-login with OTPs generated on mobile |
| 02:40.51 | ChibaPet | I use that now. |
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| 02:41.24 | ChibaPet | I want to become competent with Debian packaging so I can maintain a couple Mobile-OTP packages for Debian. |
| 02:41.32 | ChibaPet | I'm not there yet. No time to devote to it lately. |
| 02:41.45 | debdeb | that would be nice |
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| 02:43.55 | ChibaPet | It's not bad hand-installing it, but packaging it will be more interesting, since it modifies PAM configs for other things. |
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| 02:44.25 | ChibaPet | I even got xscreensaver to obey it once, but I couldn't get fallback behaviour, so it was either passphrase *or* otp but you had to pick in advance, which was tedious. |
| 02:44.30 | debdeb | but this wiki-page has a few goot tips. thanks ChibaPet |
| 02:44.35 | debdeb | good |
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| 02:44.59 | ChibaPet | Hope you can get what you want. I'm not sure LUKS or GELI or any of the popular systems do two-factor auth. |
| 02:45.00 | debdeb | which i need later... like the hooks for usb-keyfile |
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| 02:47.12 | debdeb | oh... and the overnext step would be: 3-factor-auth... with search for the right bluetooth-device in range ;-) |
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| 02:49.04 | ChibaPet | yech :P |
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| 02:49.07 | debdeb | or two-factor with keyfile on bluetooth... if i forget to get the usb-stick off |
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| 02:50.03 | debdeb | and then... another keyfile... somewhere online... a kind of remote-luksclose |
| 02:50.05 | ChibaPet | Would it be mean if I mentioned to you that GRUB2 in Experimental can decrypt LUKS on its own, so you don't need unencrypted boot? |
| 02:50.23 | debdeb | ChibaPet: ahhh... fine |
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| 02:50.56 | ChibaPet | Although I haven't tried it. I was using it to launch FreeBSD with GELI root / unencrypted boot. |
| 02:51.06 | debdeb | nice |
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| 02:51.42 | debdeb | but it makes not that difference in security |
| 02:51.51 | ChibaPet | I'm *loving* x11vnc. It's perfect. |
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| 02:52.13 | debdeb | if someone manages it to get on your boot-device and changes a kernel... he could change the grub, too |
| 02:52.38 | ChibaPet | debdeb: Right. So look at standalone utilities that verify checksums and so forth. |
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| 02:53.41 | debdeb | when i have _a lot_ of time... i will do this stuff in initram |
| 02:53.57 | ChibaPet | even then you want offline verification |
| 02:53.59 | debdeb | i mean... more-faktor-auth for luks |
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| 02:55.33 | debdeb | maybe... a rudimenary internet-connection in initramfs... with tor... keyfile from a tor-server... that would be a goot remote shutdown ;-) |
| 02:55.44 | ChibaPet | debdeb: look at their ideas for offline verification here: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/4136/secure-linux-desktop |
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| 02:56.19 | ChibaPet | debdeb: You're still sunk if someone gets physical access and interferes with your trusted binaries that are being fed the decryption data. |
| 02:56.38 | jparkton | so far so good |
| 02:56.43 | debdeb | coupeled with nagios or something |
| 02:56.57 | ChibaPet | Offline verification goes a good ways towards ameliorating this, shy of someone actually replacing chips on the computer. |
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| 02:59.08 | jparkton | I can replecate pringles |
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| 02:59.24 | jparkton | they are so good |
| 02:59.43 | ChibaPet | hah |
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| 03:00.04 | jparkton | blasphemy |
| 03:00.05 | ectospasm | how much effort (time == money) are you putting into securing your desktop? How much is the data on your desktop actually worth? |
| 03:00.16 | jparkton | nothing |
| 03:00.34 | debdeb | *g* |
| 03:00.50 | debdeb | its a hobby |
| 03:00.53 | jparkton | I use my Google storage for all my stuff I need backups |
| 03:01.01 | liyuelong | Hi, all. I use debian wheezy amd64. And everything went fine before I did an upgrade a few days ago, which includes linux kernel. Now the boot process frequently hangs at 'waiting for /dev to be fully populated'; any ideas? |
| 03:01.02 | ChibaPet | ectospasm: LUKS makes solid security relatively cheap time-wise. |
| 03:01.18 | jparkton | or c9.io for my code projects but going to use G for that more |
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| 03:01.41 | liyuelong | The googled results are either so old, or do not fit my conditions |
| 03:01.47 | ectospasm | ChibaPet: but if physical access can be used to break it... |
| 03:01.52 | ChibaPet | ectospasm: My goal is to make debdeb less paranoid about how he's unlocking, and more paranoid about the integrity of unencrypted bits. |
| 03:01.58 | ChibaPet | ectospasm: Exactly. :) |
| 03:02.11 | jparkton | liyuelong, does it eventually go on to boot up or does it hang and do nothing? |
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| 03:02.52 | liyuelong | No, I did keep waiting for at least 3 minutes, but the screen is still black |
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| 03:03.13 | liyuelong | It seems doing nothing |
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| 03:03.37 | jparkton | sad |
| 03:03.51 | jparkton | Im upgrading now so probably going to have to experience it myself |
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| 03:04.31 | liyuelong | I am still unaware of where the problem lies |
| 03:04.48 | jparkton | abrotman, I got to here and it chocked http://paste.debian.net/248592/ |
| 03:04.48 | debdeb | but... but... 2-factor-auth can be life-saving! ;-) |
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| 03:05.34 | liyuelong | I am not good at administration stuffs myself |
| 03:05.50 | liyuelong | Anyone can help me? |
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| 03:06.04 | jparkton | or ChibaPet http://paste.debian.net/248592/ |
| 03:06.15 | debdeb | a password can be tortued... an boken keyfile not... THEY can tortue you for destroying the keyfile... nevertheless ^^ |
| 03:06.22 | jparkton | do you know what the error message is liyuelong |
| 03:06.32 | jparkton | can you boot into recovery mode? |
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| 03:07.26 | ChibaPet | jparkton: http://paulberruti.net/2012/08/could-not-perform-immediate-configuration-on-default-jre/ |
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| 03:07.39 | liyuelong | The recovery mode seems no luckier...In either cases, it seems I can boot normally every two to three times(if lucky enough...) |
| 03:08.09 | liyuelong | But once I successfully boot, everything seems working fine |
| 03:08.10 | ChibaPet | jparkton: Which is to say, don't underestimate the utility of DuckDuckGo. |
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| 03:09.22 | debdeb | liyuelong: do some sleeps and echos in bootscripts to know exactly at which point it hangs |
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| 03:10.26 | seekanet | as soon as i watch these dvr shows. im formating to debian. andlets all pray you guys have patients for my noobness |
| 03:10.29 | seekanet | lol. |
| 03:10.35 | debdeb | look in dmesg... aht it says |
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| 03:10.49 | debdeb | and if nothing helps... do a kernel-downgrade |
| 03:11.16 | debdeb | if it is the kernel... make a bug-request |
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| 03:11.45 | debdeb | err.. -report |
| 03:12.07 | liyuelong | I am not good at interpreting kernel message; but as far as I go, no serious error messages seem to appear |
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| 03:12.44 | debdeb | oh... and allways: first backup |
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| 03:12.51 | ChibaPet | G'night all! |
| 03:12.57 | debdeb | gn8 |
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| 03:13.27 | seekanet | gnight ChibaPet |
| 03:13.46 | liyuelong | I wonder whether this is an error message "Apr 10 10:32:01 Linux kernel: [ 13.200454] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro" |
| 03:14.01 | liyuelong | It's highlighted in red when I open it via vim |
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| 03:14.18 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | liyuelong: are you on a laptop |
| 03:14.23 | liyuelong | Yeah |
| 03:14.44 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | laptop-mode has an option to remount your hard drive with different options when you change from battery to AC |
| 03:15.00 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | so you could just ignore those |
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| 03:15.41 | liyuelong | So despite that I could not discover the abnormal stuffs myself |
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| 03:16.00 | debdeb | dont you have the old kernel still in grub-choose-window? |
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| 03:16.30 | debdeb | on boot i mean |
| 03:17.07 | liyuelong | No, I just have single kernel; the version is 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 03:17.16 | liyuelong | The 'official' kernel release |
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| 03:17.48 | debdeb | did you have made a backup? |
| 03:17.53 | liyuelong | And I just upgrade from 3.2.35 to 3.2.41 |
| 03:18.34 | liyuelong | Sadly, no... |
| 03:18.54 | debdeb | then do it now ^^ |
| 03:19.15 | liyuelong | So how can I get access to the original version? |
| 03:19.17 | debdeb | before trying to fix it |
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| 03:19.43 | debdeb | should be lying around on some ftp |
| 03:19.51 | liyuelong | Ok, I will |
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| 03:20.07 | liyuelong | Thanks |
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| 04:27.26 | rryoumaa | how do you do an rsync of the currently-running /root filesystem? i recall having trouble with that a long time ago because /dev needed to be what it was when i first booted that partition instead of being a mount point. |
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| 04:28.00 | rryoumaa | the idea is to rsync the currently-running /root filesystem onto another partition that is then bootable |
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| 04:33.23 | gnarface | rryoumaa: on current debian systems the contents of /dev, /proc and /sys are auto-generated at boot time. just exclude them from the backup. |
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| 04:33.49 | rryoumaa | gnarface: so it will still boot even if you --exclude /dev? |
| 04:33.52 | gnarface | rryoumaa: (their contents that is; you can leave the empty directories safely) |
| 04:33.58 | rryoumaa | don't you need the static devices |
| 04:33.59 | rryoumaa | ? |
| 04:34.06 | gnarface | only if you added any manually |
| 04:34.07 | gnarface | ... |
| 04:34.07 | histo | rryoumaa: they are created on boot of the kernel |
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| 04:34.25 | gnarface | rryoumaa: there are none anymore by default; read up on what udev does. |
| 04:34.26 | rryoumaa | great, so it is just a normal rsync with --exclude then |
| 04:34.31 | gnarface | yea |
| 04:34.46 | gnarface | unless you actually were doing manual mknod calls in there for some reason |
| 04:34.50 | gnarface | you aren't gonna miss any of it |
| 04:35.27 | rryoumaa | thanks, nope |
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| 04:45.32 | lime_ | Is it possible to store `home` directory and `bin` directory remotely on smb, iSCSI or NFS server? |
| 04:45.50 | gnarface | home yes |
| 04:45.57 | lime_ | why not bin? |
| 04:46.01 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:46.12 | gnarface | not sure if there is a binary in there nfs needs to do the mount |
| 04:46.13 | mmnicolas | why would you want to do that |
| 04:46.31 | gnarface | lime_: people do it but you may need fancy things like PXE in some cases i think |
| 04:46.43 | gnarface | bootp? something like that |
| 04:46.54 | histo | lime_: why? |
| 04:46.58 | abrotman | not /bin/ |
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| 04:47.54 | lime_ | I'm would like to have one folder/file system that stores all system differences both Windows and Linux |
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| 04:48.24 | gnarface | a noble pipe dream if ever there was |
| 04:48.45 | lime_ | More specifically, I am looking to try and get Debian running as fast and seamlessly as possible inside my Windows 7 computer. |
| 04:48.58 | gnarface | it will work better the other way around |
| 04:49.00 | histo | lime_: dualboot debian you mean? |
| 04:49.14 | abrotman | or a VM? |
| 04:49.24 | lime_ | I'm running Windows as host OS and Debian as guest. I'm trying to get all Debian files on the NTFS partition so I can rsync to back up the entire system. |
| 04:49.33 | gnarface | ah |
| 04:49.36 | gnarface | yea that won't work |
| 04:49.43 | gnarface | NTFS doesn't support permissions |
| 04:49.50 | abrotman | yes, it does |
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| 04:49.57 | histo | lime_: rsync'ng to fat and ntfs doesn't work well |
| 04:50.01 | gnarface | abrotman: no, it doesn't, and it fails |
| 04:50.14 | gnarface | abrotman: but i'll leave now because i'm not in the mood to split hairs with you |
| 04:50.17 | histo | abrotman: not user:group permissions also it's timing is off |
| 04:50.22 | abrotman | gnarface: it does have permissions, not Unix-style permissions |
| 04:50.33 | abrotman | histo: i'm aware .. |
| 04:50.45 | histo | abrotman: so just arguing for the sake of arguing gotcha |
| 04:50.49 | gnarface | abrotman: yes, thank you for admitting you're just annoyingly wasting air time with an irrelevant clarification just so you can pretend you're "more right" but its not helpful, bye |
| 04:51.04 | abrotman | gnarface: enjoy being drunk again! have a good night! |
| 04:51.16 | histo | senses history here |
| 04:51.19 | abrotman | histo: no, saying it has no permissions is incorrect |
| 04:51.28 | gnarface | abrotman: the truth is i haven't started yet but everyone can see you are a dick to me for no good reason |
| 04:51.45 | lime_ | histo: Then how would you advise running as close to vanilla Debian inside Windows, without having to juggle .vdi's around? I'm using Cygwin to get X11 access to debian. |
| 04:51.47 | histo | gnarface: there is one in every room |
| 04:51.48 | abrotman | looks up to see who started this problem |
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| 04:51.54 | themill | tries to work out where to aim the bucket of cold water |
| 04:52.12 | abrotman | gnarface: i didn't jump down your throat, you jumped down mine .. stop being a PITA |
| 04:52.33 | histo | lime_: You can run a VM what are you concerned with backup of files to a NTFS share though? |
| 04:52.40 | gnarface | come on dude everyone knew i meant "unix permissions" *you* started it |
| 04:52.54 | abrotman | no, the OP may not have .. |
| 04:53.10 | abrotman | please, guarantee me the OP knows exactly what you meant |
| 04:53.49 | gnarface | please, guarantee to me that's even relevant to this argument, and you wouldn't have butted in anyway |
| 04:53.52 | lime_ | rsync for example doesn't take the binary difference of files but just backups the entire file if it is different |
| 04:54.03 | abrotman | it could be relevant, considering what the person is asking |
| 04:54.26 | gnarface | considering what he's asking you're just confusing him more by contradicting me |
| 04:54.27 | histo | lime_: right and you would have issues going to ntfs or fat from a unix filesystem due to permission differences and timing issues |
| 04:54.32 | abrotman | far from the first person to ask about putting / or /home/ on NTFS and wondering if it will work |
| 04:54.36 | gnarface | now he thinks you CAN install linux on NTFS with permissions/groups working |
| 04:54.43 | gnarface | how is that a clarification that was helpful? |
| 04:54.46 | abrotman | except we told him no .. |
| 04:55.03 | gnarface | no *i* told him no |
| 04:55.10 | gnarface | and YOU told him "no, but gnarface is still wrong" |
| 04:55.15 | abrotman | no, you told him "maybe", i told him "no" |
| 04:55.23 | histo | grabs popcorn |
| 04:55.23 | gnarface | well the truth is you c |
| 04:55.24 | abrotman | please split hairs some more ... |
| 04:55.27 | gnarface | well ok |
| 04:55.38 | gnarface | the truth is you CAN do what he's asking at least as far as the first question |
| 04:55.40 | abrotman | sits and watches gnarface defeat himself |
| 04:55.41 | lime_ | abrotman: so couldn't I create a Samba drive in my VM to host all my Windows files (well other then Program Files) |
| 04:55.46 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.50 | gnarface | abrotman: you actually deny this? |
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| 04:55.56 | gnarface | you deny diskless linux systems exist? |
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| 04:56.08 | abrotman | gnarface: they expand where? and how? |
| 04:56.11 | gnarface | hence my qualifier about PXE stuff |
| 04:56.14 | histo | lime_: What is the ultimate goal here perhaps there is a better way to accomplish what you want |
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| 04:56.32 | abrotman | lime_: you want to have say C:\Users\ on a samba share in your VM ? |
| 04:56.44 | gnarface | abrotman: see your statement belies your actual intent. i spoke up to help someone and you spoke up to "defeat me" |
| 04:56.55 | gnarface | abrotman: maybe you need some better hobbies. |
| 04:57.14 | abrotman | gnarface: yes, because we all hate you because your name has the word 'face' in it .. it's a conspiracy |
| 04:57.34 | themill | .o0( get a room ) |
| 04:57.37 | mmnicolas | what |
| 04:57.37 | gnarface | abrotman: well everyone with the word "man" in their name is a fucking dick to me so... |
| 04:57.41 | gnarface | abrotman: fair analysis |
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| 04:57.59 | histo | thinks both of you need a break from the keyboard |
| 04:58.09 | abrotman | gnarface: please read the scrollback again, see who jumped down whose throat to start this |
| 04:58.23 | lime_ | abrotman: What is the simplest way to have seamless Window inclusion(X11) of a Debian system, and not have to worry about where my files are? |
| 04:59.17 | mmnicolas | lime_: Run a windows VM in Debian, cron a script to pause the vm and copy the image everyday |
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| 04:59.37 | jmcnaught | lime_: have you tried something like andLinux ? |
| 04:59.44 | abrotman | lime_: /win 6 |
| 04:59.47 | histo | lime_: I would just mount the "files" via a shared folder from the m$ host in the debian VM assuming they aren't binaries etc... |
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| 05:00.03 | histo | lime_: or the other way around |
| 05:00.25 | `Z` | anyones know a good ssh librarie, stable, (so no libssh1 which has memory leaks), which support multithreading (so no libssh2 because of gcrypt) ? |
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| 05:00.49 | lime_ | jmcnought: I am running Cygwin to get X access to Debian. I would like to be running as a pristine system. I was under the imprecision andLinux was dead |
| 05:01.26 | mmnicolas | lime_: colinux ? |
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| 05:02.36 | lime_ | mcnicolas: If running VM it gets annoying to keep having to resize the vdi partition. |
| 05:03.05 | roothorick | trying to make a USB booting thing. Even when I edit in the GRUB interface the commandline to what I KNOW is the right device name, and I KNOW it can see it because GRUB can see it, I still get "unable to mount root VFS on unknown-block" |
| 05:03.16 | lime_ | mcnicolas: also having to backup a 10>GB is not fast |
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| 05:03.39 | mmnicolas | lime_: store user files on the host |
| 05:03.55 | lime_ | roothorick: can gparted see it? |
| 05:04.29 | roothorick | lime_: like, when hooking up the drive to an already running OS? I can *MOUNT* it! |
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| 05:05.16 | roothorick | it just dawned on me... I don't think it made or is using an initrd, and the kernel doesn't have USB built in does it |
| 05:05.21 | maik | is there a "path of least resistance" to getting Gnome 3.8 on wheezy? |
| 05:05.25 | lime_ | mmnicolas: that's when I come full circle and my user files basically are /bin and /local/usr/bin so I want to store those on NTFS |
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| 05:05.31 | pxb | Apache 2.2 (in squeeze): I have two VirtualHosts set up, and no more. One redirects www.example.com to example.com and one is for example.com itself. How can I get Apache drop any requests that don't match an existing VirtualHost (if that makes sense)? |
| 05:06.01 | pxb | Here they are -- please let me know if they are also mis-configured: http://sprunge.us/Bcha | Currently any request that's _not_ to www.example.com is matched by the first VirtualHost directive (so http://123.123.123.123/ gets redirected to example.com, which I do no want) |
| 05:06.21 | maik | pxb: you may have a default wildcard handler in addition to your defined ones. you'll need to find that and comment/remove it |
| 05:06.41 | lime_ | abrotman: what do you mean by /win 6 |
| 05:07.03 | abrotman | lime_: miskey on my part, please ignore |
| 05:07.05 | themill | pxb: btw you don't need a virtualhost just to deal with that situation |
| 05:07.19 | pxb | themill: Hmm? |
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| 05:08.58 | themill | pxb: «ServerAlias www.example.com» in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/yoursite with the rest of debian's default config is sufficient |
| 05:09.15 | lime_ | histo: could I put my Windows files and Linux files on a separate ext3 to resolve the permissions issue? |
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| 05:09.49 | pxb | themill: Wouldn't that allow people to browse both www.example.com and example.com? |
| 05:09.50 | histo | lime_: What are these "files" you were talking about moving /bin earlier... Do you mean just your /home files like media etc... |
| 05:10.05 | roothorick | as an aside, is there an easy way to install a Debian system on, say, a USB HDD from within a running Debian or Ubuntu system? |
| 05:10.11 | themill | pxb: sure -- and they're the same site, so that's not an issue |
| 05:10.17 | pxb | It's for a BBS so it is. |
| 05:10.45 | histo | lime_: a mount would work fine like in debian mount //winblows/share /home/lime_/windblows then you can just access the files |
| 05:10.47 | pxb | Ah, that sounds rude; it's for a BBS so I _think_ it is. |
| 05:11.17 | roothorick | and does apt-get have syntax for "this package AT LEAST this version"? |
| 05:12.28 | themill | roothorick: you'd use debootstrap or live-install; no. |
| 05:12.36 | lime_ | histo: (ideally /bin /mnt) If not is there easy way to store the state of the complete Debian system without storing in .vdi? |
| 05:13.03 | histo | lime_: what good is /bin to windows? |
| 05:13.06 | roothorick | themill: debootstrap doesn't do nearly enough, and that's why I'm spending far longer than I intended to on this disk.. I'll take a look at live-install |
| 05:13.16 | themill | pxb: I'm not really sure why the usage would be a problem for that sort of layout. |
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| 05:13.50 | histo | lime_: You are asking about doing ridiculous things. I'm sure there is a way to do what you want but it makes absolutely no sense |
| 05:13.51 | pxb | themill: Okay, thanks. |
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| 05:14.22 | themill | roothorick: debootstrap doesn't install bootloader or kernel by default but you can ask it to do so. You may like to look at something like vmdebootstrap or some of the other vm provisioning tools. |
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| 05:14.26 | histo | roothorick: deboostrap install kernel and setup user off you go |
| 05:14.41 | histo | roothorick: or just dd a debian live image to the usb |
| 05:15.07 | roothorick | histo: also setting up bootloader, and initrd if you need it (and you do if you're booting from USB) |
| 05:15.17 | pxb | maik: I checked, and I don't think I do. Apparently "the first VirtualHost to load will get all requests that don't have a host name", so it's always matching that redirect. |
| 05:15.25 | roothorick | histo: and nothing I could find clearly explains any of that |
| 05:15.36 | roothorick | so it's been literally days of trial and error building this drive |
| 05:15.40 | maik | pxb: ah k, i'm no Apache expert, clearly :) |
| 05:15.40 | pxb | So I beleive the correct solution is to simply have a VirtualHost that's first that simply rejects connections. Not sure how to do that. |
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| 05:16.03 | maik | pxb: why not one that directs to an empty index or something? |
| 05:16.15 | maik | don't reject outright, just handle it and send it somewhere |
| 05:16.22 | pxb | I thought a 403 or something was the "proper" way. |
| 05:16.29 | pxb | As opposed to simply offering a blan index. |
| 05:16.43 | roothorick | histo: in fact I STILL have no idea how to get initrd/initramfs going short of using an actual install CD |
| 05:16.45 | jmcnaught | pxb: did you say there are no other virtual hosts? make one of them the default. https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html#default |
| 05:17.23 | pxb | jmcnaught: Will do. |
| 05:17.25 | lime_ | histo; Ok let's say I have 2 Debian VM. Both have nonstandard debian packages. How would I determine where the nonstandard packages are between the 2 systems. I would copy the /bin & /usr directory of both systems to Windows? How would u do it? |
| 05:17.36 | lime_ | histo: wrong character |
| 05:18.27 | histo | lime_: I'd mount the remote /bin and /usr and use diff or uniq and find the differences in linux not using windows at all |
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| 05:18.51 | lime_ | Or instead of copying it to Windows I might copy one to the other VM that is running, but I then I run into read and write speed issues. |
| 05:19.12 | lime_ | That's assuming they have ip address viewable by each other right? |
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| 05:19.32 | ectospasm | lime_: you could use dpkg --get-selections, which will give you a list of all installed packages (through apt/dpkg) |
| 05:19.52 | lime_ | ectospasm: They have nonstandard packages installed (not in the respitories) |
| 05:20.04 | abrotman | lime_: if they're packages, they're still in that list |
| 05:20.16 | abrotman | (if they're not managed by dpkg, they won't be in that list) |
| 05:20.26 | ectospasm | but if you installed them from source, they won't be in that list. |
| 05:20.37 | roothorick | update-initramfs doesn't generate *anything*, why? |
| 05:20.42 | ectospasm | one reason /not/ to install packages outside of apt/dpkg |
| 05:21.10 | rjsalts | roothorick: a custom initrd? |
| 05:21.13 | lime_ | Correct be if I am wrong but If i do `./configure;make;make install` they won't be managed by apt and won't be an installed package |
| 05:21.19 | roothorick | rjsalts: I don't have ANY initrd at the moment |
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| 05:21.50 | lime_ | ectospasm: thank you that is what I meant |
| 05:21.55 | histo | lime_: no not unless you use checkinstall or create a deb |
| 05:22.14 | rjsalts | roothorick: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -c, I assume initrd creation failed during postinst or the like |
| 05:22.16 | ectospasm | lime_: no problem |
| 05:22.39 | roothorick | rjsalts: -c didn't do anything |
| 05:22.50 | rjsalts | roothorick: you need the kernel version too |
| 05:23.12 | roothorick | rjsalts: -k all didn't work. I did -c -t -k <specific kernel version> and it seems to be building now |
| 05:23.13 | rjsalts | roothorick: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r) |
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| 05:24.04 | rjsalts | roothorick: ah, I didn't think you'd need a -t |
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| 05:24.24 | roothorick | wow, I still don't have a fstab, wtf |
| 05:24.47 | roothorick | noted, deboostrap does only the absolute bare essentials to make apt-get work |
| 05:25.10 | histo | roothorick: no you have to copy your /etc/sources.list |
| 05:25.14 | rjsalts | There is a package that captures make install files and builds a deb out of them. Can't track dependencies or the like, but still |
| 05:25.22 | histo | roothorick: let me find you a video I made installing ubuntu via debootstrap |
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| 05:25.47 | histo | roothorick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiM9GOKvTI4 |
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| 05:26.47 | rjsalts | lime_: checkinstall will let you create a package from things which are installed from source/etc. |
| 05:27.57 | roothorick | histo: ugh, I utterly can't stand video tutorials. You spend way too much time sitting around waiting for the person to explain the next point when you could have just as easily read a few lines and moved on |
| 05:28.39 | roothorick | histo: and things seem to be working OK with the sources.list it made. But I seriously think I need a better solution for this, holy crap. |
| 05:29.05 | abrotman | roothorick: themill suggested a different binary? |
| 05:29.40 | histo | roothorick: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux#Without_CD is the directions was right in the description |
| 05:30.17 | histo | roothorick: it's like 10 steps |
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| 05:32.34 | roothorick | histo: I've already done all those steps, except network / adding users |
| 05:32.42 | roothorick | it don't boot. |
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| 05:33.10 | histo | roothorick: did you install grub? |
| 05:33.25 | roothorick | yes. |
| 05:33.47 | roothorick | it would load the kernel, and then the kernel would fail to find the root filesystem, even if root= was correct |
| 05:34.44 | roothorick | also my fstab is virtually nonexistant, just a single comment |
| 05:35.13 | roothorick | those instructions MAY work for Ubuntu but they definitely DO NOT work for debian squeeze |
| 05:35.23 | rjsalts | roothorick: yeah, that's done in postinst from stuff on the cd. if you debootstrap it doesn't do that stuff for you |
| 05:35.58 | histo | roothorick: you need to populate fstab |
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| 05:36.22 | histo | roothorick: which you would have done if you followed "all those instructions" |
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| 05:37.20 | roothorick | I'm seriously starting to wonder whether it'd be easier just to make a very minimal loader to get what I need done. How hard is it to compile a kernel module on a different machine entirely? |
| 05:37.22 | themill | roothorick: did you look at vmdebootstrap or tools like xen-tools? |
| 05:37.52 | histo | roothorick: most likely your issue is that fstab doesn't have / or whatever other partitions you've created on it |
| 05:38.02 | themill | (these are solved problems... no need to reinvent this wheel) |
| 05:38.06 | roothorick | themill: this isn't a VM. It's a USB HDD setup for booting custom stuff on a proprietary (x86-based) computer |
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| 05:38.25 | themill | roothorick: I know that; the problems you are solving are the same. |
| 05:38.42 | roothorick | themill: how is it the same? |
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| 05:38.58 | themill | roothorick: have you looked at these tools yet? |
| 05:39.07 | themill | at what they do? at what problems they solve? |
| 05:39.12 | roothorick | themill: I'm working with an actual, physical disk, not an image file. |
| 05:39.20 | themill | *sigh* |
| 05:39.47 | abrotman | giggles and watches |
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| 05:40.26 | rjsalts | roothorick: they're almost exactly the same thing, about the only difference is installing a bootloader, and even then pygrub acts like grub is installed inside the guest when you're using xen |
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| 05:41.28 | roothorick | rjsalts: the target isn't a VM, for that matter. What does vmbootstrap do for an actual, physical disk being booted by a real machine, that debootstrap does not? |
| 05:41.30 | rjsalts | roothorick: and those images are often just a file with the exact same layout as a disk duplicated inside it |
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| 05:42.11 | Nirvash | I'm attempting to install http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/ (32-bit, Gnome, Live USB) on a Thinkpad T40, Intel Pentium M, 100GB HDD, 2GB RAM. I am at "Detecting Hardware, please wait..." and it just keeps repeating the step infinitely in the GUI installer. |
| 05:42.37 | rjsalts | roothorick: automates some of the gaps that would have otherwise been handled by the install cd/pxe/... beyond "installing packages" which is all debootstrap does |
| 05:43.04 | themill | roothorick: have you look at it yet? Do you think there is a reason why I've suggested it to you more than once? |
| 05:43.32 | abrotman | Nirvash: are you trying to actually install the OS or run it as a live systme? |
| 05:43.46 | Nirvash | I'm running it as a live system and attempting to install from within the live system. |
| 05:43.57 | roothorick | themill: I'm looking now. All it does is partition table and fstab and MAYBE bootloader, I don't see much else use and I've already figured that much out |
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| 05:44.10 | themill | roothorick: well since that's all that is needed, you're good... |
| 05:44.14 | abrotman | Nirvash: some reason you're not just using the normal installer? |
| 05:44.16 | histo | roothorick: You said you only have a comment in the fstab |
| 05:44.26 | roothorick | themill: a kernel would be nice. |
| 05:44.34 | rozie | Nirvash: you can use debootstrap to install system from live |
| 05:44.38 | Nirvash | abrotman: Meaning the install option from the splash? |
| 05:44.39 | themill | roothorick: well it does that... |
| 05:44.41 | roothorick | themill: though at this point I have that too. |
| 05:44.56 | Nirvash | I had problems with that install before, let me try that method now. |
| 05:44.57 | abrotman | Nirvash: meaning the normal netinst (instead of the livecd) |
| 05:45.07 | histo | roothorick: paste your fstab please |
| 05:45.20 | roothorick | histo: I'm literally writing an fstab from scratch |
| 05:45.29 | histo | roothorick: yes I know |
| 05:45.37 | ectospasm | roothorick: man fstab will be your friend |
| 05:45.41 | roothorick | histo: I'm still in the process of doing exactly that |
| 05:45.46 | Nirvash | My laptop is not currently connected to the internet and I will need to install my WiFi driver, etc. to get it working. Can I do that from the live distro and then install via netinst? |
| 05:46.01 | abrotman | Nirvash: what's your wifi device? |
| 05:46.05 | histo | roothorick: /dev/or/uuid /mountpoint type options 0 1 |
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| 05:46.27 | rozie | Nirvash: short answer, yes, you can install driver from live |
| 05:46.45 | rozie | in fact, you can install any package from live |
| 05:46.46 | roothorick | sigh. |
| 05:46.47 | abrotman | !tell Nirvash about firmware images |
| 05:47.02 | lime_ | Is there a way to get a list of all packages installed by source on your system? The only way I can think of doing so, is creating a new system installing same apt package version and comparing directories. |
| 05:47.04 | themill | (grml-debootstrap would possibly do this even better than vmdebootstrap) |
| 05:47.28 | themill | lime_: what do you mean by "source" in this sense? |
| 05:47.34 | Nirvash | I'm going to attempt my live USB default install feature. If this fails, I will load into Live, configure wireless, then use netinst. |
| 05:47.37 | abrotman | lime_: generally, probably not ... |
| 05:47.45 | lime_ | `./configure;make;make install;` |
| 05:47.51 | abrotman | lime_: that's why package management like dpkg/rpm exist |
| 05:48.15 | abrotman | lime_: you could use a program called "cruft" to find out what doesn't belong to packages .. that may be of some help |
| 05:48.48 | themill | lime_: ugh. "Don't do that" is the best approach |
| 05:49.29 | rjsalts | lime_: all the files inside a package are stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.list, you could figure out which files on the filesystem that aren't in packages with a script that went through all the files on your harddrive and ignored ones that were inside a package |
| 05:49.36 | roothorick | lime_: next time, look into a program called "checkinstall" |
| 05:49.39 | lime_ | abrotman: I am installing corporate files that are encrypted .sh not .deb. I could construct an .deb but that would require a lot of work for each revision. |
| 05:49.49 | abrotman | judd: info cruft |
| 05:49.50 | judd | Package cruft (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Find any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.12; Size: 99.6k; Installed: 1308k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/cruft/ |
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| 05:49.58 | abrotman | bleh |
| 05:50.06 | abrotman | rjsalts: that's what cruft does IIRC |
| 05:50.19 | roothorick | lime_: try "checkinstall ./bigbadugly.sh" |
| 05:50.29 | rjsalts | abrotman: I didn't know about cruft, thanks for the information |
| 05:50.29 | jmcnaught | lime_: does the source package's Makefile have a target for uninstall? make uninstall? |
| 05:50.33 | histo | lime_: checkinstall |
| 05:50.39 | roothorick | lime_: that should basically make a .deb for you |
| 05:50.57 | Nirvash | I used alt+f4 and I am getting an IO error, dev fd0 |
| 05:51.24 | abrotman | Nirvash: and you don't actually have a floppy drive? |
| 05:51.52 | lime_ | jmcnaught: for some yes, but not for the encrypted .sh files |
| 05:52.01 | rwp_ | lime_, By default all ./configure;make;make install packages will install in /usr/local. That keeps them separate from the system. |
| 05:52.06 | Nirvash | abrotman: No, I do not |
| 05:52.14 | lime_ | good to know |
| 05:52.29 | roothorick | lime_: and really, I doubt they're "encrypted". Probably just a compressed blob |
| 05:52.43 | abrotman | Nirvash: i feel like someone else here recently had the same problem, and maybe expert mode helped (from the normal installer) |
| 05:52.58 | abrotman | rwp_: they *should* :) |
| 05:53.36 | histo | lime_: file /somecorpo.sh and find out |
| 05:53.52 | rwp | And if you are in group 'staff' with group access to /usr/local and don't be root then you can guarentee it. |
| 05:54.02 | histo | rwp: depends who wrote the source |
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| 05:56.04 | rwp | histo, If you aren't root and only have group access through staff then it prevents mistakes or an attack from doing anything different. |
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| 05:56.36 | lime_ | you are right, the .sh are not encrypted |
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| 05:59.07 | Nirvash | How do I exit the alt+f4 screen? |
| 05:59.23 | Nirvash | It appears that the error is occuring when involving my wireless adapter. |
| 05:59.42 | abrotman | Nirvash: alt-f1 ? |
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| 06:00.31 | histo | Nirvash: alt-f1 through f7 should be your ttys and X should be on f7 |
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| 06:00.42 | histo | Nirvash: if you are using graphical installer I believe it loads to f5 |
| 06:01.39 | Nirvash | Alt+F1 got me back to the blue screen. Is there a way to terminate this check? |
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| 06:02.08 | histo | Nirvash: is there a cancel button? |
| 06:02.12 | gedO | Hello, who can help me with linux-image installation??? |
| 06:02.49 | abrotman | gedO: just ask |
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| 06:03.18 | Nirvash | histo: There's not =/ This is the text pro install now |
| 06:03.23 | Nirvash | gedO: What do you need help with? |
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| 06:03.52 | histo | Nirvash: just use the install iso with firmware or use expert mode |
| 06:03.53 | gedO | abrotman: my console output is here http://pastebin.com/q8jXFq7Z |
| 06:04.06 | histo | Nirvash: try esc |
| 06:04.08 | gedO | Whene I try to install it returns error |
| 06:04.15 | abrotman | gedO: bad URL |
| 06:04.23 | gedO | abrotman: jus a sec |
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| 06:04.51 | gedO | http://pastebin.com/q8jFXq7Z |
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| 06:06.03 | abrotman | gedO: i'd start by fixing the symlink it's complaining about |
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| 06:06.20 | gedO | abrotman: how to do this? |
| 06:06.30 | abrotman | gedO: man ln |
| 06:06.46 | abrotman | gedO: /initrd.img should be pointing to the current initrd in /boot |
| 06:07.01 | abrotman | initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 06:07.27 | gedO | abrotman: okey |
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| 06:08.09 | abrotman | gedO: so roughly "ln -s /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae /initrd.img" |
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| 06:10.03 | gedO | abrotman: Now it says : The link /initrd.img is a dangling linkto /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 06:10.19 | gedO | is this okey now? Can i move to another error? |
| 06:10.27 | abrotman | still says it's dangling ? |
| 06:10.35 | gedO | yes |
| 06:10.39 | abrotman | oh .. sorry, you have the -rt- |
| 06:10.52 | abrotman | gedO: pastebin "ls /boot/ |
| 06:10.54 | abrotman | " |
| 06:10.56 | gedO | ok |
| 06:11.37 | gedO | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ZjLsaYix |
| 06:11.54 | abrotman | gedO: where'd your initrd go ? |
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| 06:12.15 | gedO | abrotman: I don't know :) |
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| 06:12.29 | abrotman | uhm .. smells funny |
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| 06:12.42 | gedO | initd.img is in / directory |
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| 06:12.53 | abrotman | that's a symlink |
| 06:13.00 | abrotman | normally, the initrd is in your kernel package |
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| 06:13.31 | gedO | hmmm... |
| 06:13.44 | gedO | abrotman: How i can create it? |
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| 06:20.02 | liyuelong | Are there any potential problems if I add 'i915.i915_enable_rc6=1' to the grub boot command? |
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| 06:36.22 | wm4 | I've found some instructions with google, but I think they're all pre-multiarch |
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| 06:45.58 | petn-randall | wm4: In wheezy it should be possible in theory to switch from i386 to amd64. |
| 06:46.47 | rjsalts | wm4: yeah, it's even easier in wheezy |
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| 07:13.10 | petn-randall | Morg0th: Unfortunately the driver situation with GMA500 is bad. There's only a 2D driver for linux kernel 3.3 onwards. There's no 3D driver available, AFAIK. |
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| 07:14.15 | Morg0th | petn-randall: hmm ok, and what's the 2D driver that i should use? |
| 07:14.40 | Morg0th | well, i'm not in 3.3, i'm still in 2.6.30.. |
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| 07:16.32 | petn-randall | Morg0th: There's no new enough kernel in squeeze for it to work. I'd upgrade to wheezy. It will be released soon and is stable enough for the Desktop. |
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| 07:19.23 | Morg0th | petn-randall: ok but i don't have this possibility. i'm trying to fix an embeded device that runs on Squeeze. i had working drivers before a kernel upgrade but now i have this screen offset problem that i should fix. unfortunately i can't upgrade the whole system. |
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| 07:34.13 | mastro | my 2 CPU cores are alway at around 60 degrees (celsius), when I do lot of stuff they easily goes up to 80-84 degrees celsius. The laptop is pretty new so I would think this is not an hardware issue. Is there some way I can test if the software is correctly handling my fan? |
| 07:35.01 | liyuelong | Do you have an integrated graphics card? |
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| 07:35.50 | mastro | liyuelong, probably, it's an intel |
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| 07:36.20 | mastro | liyuelong, can you call my nickname when replying ? :) I might miss your reply if you dont ;) thanks |
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| 07:38.16 | liyuelong | mastro,sorry. I once suffered this issue, and solved it by adding 'i915.i915_enable_rc6=1' to my grub boot parameters; maybe this could help |
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| 07:39.43 | mastro | liyuelong, interesting... I google for that option |
| 07:39.52 | mastro | did you added it in /etc/modules ? |
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| 07:40.30 | liyuelong | mastro, for my case I add it to /etc/default/grub, and then 'update-grub' |
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| 07:41.31 | liyuelong | mastro, please note I am no expert in it :) just follow some others' suggestions... |
| 07:41.32 | mastro | liyuelong, ah, kernel parameter I see |
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| 07:42.36 | liyuelong | mastro, and I am curious about the potential and probable side effects; it's disabled by default, after all |
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| 07:43.25 | liyuelong | mastro, but everything seems fine by far, at least on my laptop. And it does cool off |
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| 07:44.40 | mastro | liyuelong, Ok I'm putting it in /etc/modprobe.d/ instead and trying |
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| 07:45.18 | mastro | liyuelong, it just enable a better policy for power saving that was enabled by default a while ago and disabled because some hardware was buggish with it. |
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| 07:46.24 | mastro | brb |
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| 07:54.13 | mastro | liyuelong, nothing changed in the temperature... but I don't think that option will be harmless |
| 07:55.48 | liyuelong | mastro, so you may try some other power-saving methods... say, cpufrequtils, etc. |
| 07:57.01 | mastro | liyuelong, are you sure this is related to powersaving? |
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| 07:58.45 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am running debian squeeze, and I am facing an issue of not being able to execute any executables from my home directory. This has happened after I moved my /home to a another place. My /etc/fstab entry for /home is here http://paste.debian.net/248616/ |
| 07:59.07 | liyuelong | mastro, is your fan working properly? I mean, it gets turned on when temperature gets high |
| 07:59.10 | mastro | liyuelong, cpufreq-info say all my cores are at their minimum frequency (800 MHz) and the governor is ondemand |
| 07:59.42 | mastro | liyuelong, probably yes because when I stop the eavy work I see the temperature going down from 80 to 55 pretty quickly |
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| 08:00.42 | liyuelong | mastro, for myself, I do need power saving, although my fan is working. so I guess maybe you are also in need of it |
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| 08:01.38 | Seb | apt-cache show foo used to show the long description for a package, but since recently it doesn't appear to anymore |
| 08:01.44 | Seb | how can I get that description |
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| 08:03.16 | DimmuR | Is there any way to install package from 386 architecture in distro 64bit architecture in debian squeeze? (i need to install skype on squeeze) |
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| 08:03.42 | liyuelong | DimmuR, you need to turn on multiarch support |
| 08:04.25 | DimmuR | liyuelong, multiarch isn't available on squeeze as far as i read docs (it's in 1.16 dpkg which is not in squeeze) |
| 08:04.33 | DimmuR | or can i add this support in squeeze? |
| 08:05.05 | liyuelong | DimmuR, sorry. I use wheezy, and it supports multiarch |
| 08:05.43 | petn-randall | Morg0th: Is this even a Debian installation? Why can't you upgrade? |
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| 08:07.11 | petn-randall | DimmuR: For squeeze, there is a ia32-libs package. For wheezy, you add i386 as foreign arch. Wheezy supports multiple archs in one installation. |
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| 08:15.10 | buscon | Hi, i need an incremental backup system for a website |
| 08:15.25 | buscon | that means to back up some php files and a mysql database |
| 08:15.40 | buscon | what is a not too complicated solution? |
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| 08:15.56 | buscon | maybe bacula? or is there something easier? |
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| 08:16.05 | ectospasm | buscon: I find rsnapshot to be fairly easy to administer |
| 08:16.20 | ectospasm | ...but that's only pull, not push |
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| 08:16.49 | buscon | ectospasm, what do you mean with not push? |
| 08:17.18 | ectospasm | meaning, the server that runs rsnapshot pulls the data from one or many targets. |
| 08:17.39 | histo | buscon: rsnapshot |
| 08:17.54 | ectospasm | rather than each target pushing its data to the central backup server. |
| 08:18.21 | histo | ectospasm: you can do local backup with rsnapthot |
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| 08:18.29 | buscon | ectospasm, ok, that means that has server that runs rnapshot is also the one that stores the data |
| 08:18.30 | buscon | right? |
| 08:18.39 | buscon | I'd be fine with that |
| 08:18.42 | histo | buscon: do you want to backup to a mount locally or off site? |
| 08:18.45 | ectospasm | histo: yes, you can, but it's still a pull |
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| 08:19.16 | histo | ectospasm: I disagree |
| 08:19.41 | histo | ectospasm: it's pulling and pushing locally |
| 08:20.02 | buscon | histo, I want to backup a remote server on a local machine, that's just what I need |
| 08:20.03 | ectospasm | I don't think it pushes at all |
| 08:20.16 | histo | buscon: then install rsnapshot ont he local machine |
| 08:20.36 | buscon | ok, I will, thanks :) |
| 08:20.38 | histo | ectospasm: it writes the local destination does it not? |
| 08:20.54 | histo | buscon: setup ssh and keys on the server though. |
| 08:21.09 | ectospasm | histo: ...but it is rsnapshot, and not some other service, that initiates the transfer. Hence pull. |
| 08:21.25 | buscon | histo, yes, I have that already ;) |
| 08:21.51 | ectospasm | ...just in this case the target is local |
| 08:22.00 | histo | ectospasm: rsnapshot is just a wrapper for rsync |
| 08:22.07 | ectospasm | histo: yes, I know this. |
| 08:22.08 | histo | ectospasm: you can push with rsync |
| 08:22.19 | histo | or what you call "push" |
| 08:22.25 | ectospasm | but Perl-based rsnapshot does not do that. |
| 08:22.33 | histo | ; nasv ; ae; aw l; fwq |
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| 08:22.53 | histo | ectospasm: perhaps you and abrotman should argue |
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| 08:25.04 | ectospasm | I dunno what that means... |
| 08:25.37 | histo | Nevermind |
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| 08:27.10 | histo | ectospasm: just FYI rsync can be switched from suck to blow via where the user@host is |
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| 08:27.47 | ectospasm | histo: yes, I know this. But *rsnapshot* does NOT work that way. |
| 08:27.51 | histo | ectospasm: since the user specifies those in rsnapshot config i'm sure they can switch it there. It's just a script |
| 08:28.37 | ectospasm | histo: in rsnapshot.conf you define your local store, then define a list of target (possibly remote) directories which to copy to this store. |
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| 08:28.57 | ectospasm | that is a pull operation |
| 08:29.06 | sacredch1o | I'm trying to update to KDE 4.10 in experimental. How can I trigger the update with all needed dependencies? |
| 08:29.09 | histo | ectospasm: right define your local store as the remote system then define the target as a local directory |
| 08:29.18 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am running debian squeeze, and I am facing an issue of not being able to execute any executables from my home directory. This has happened after I moved my /home to a another place. My /etc/fstab entry for /home is here http://paste.debian.net/248616/ |
| 08:29.36 | arvind_khadri | and mtab says that /home is mounted with noexec |
| 08:29.37 | oskie | arvind_khadri: what do you mean, not being able to execute them? |
| 08:29.40 | oskie | oh |
| 08:29.57 | sacredch1o | In aptitude it is labouriously making me select one package at a time for upgrade, then fix the upgrade issues by hand |
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| 08:30.10 | arvind_khadri | oskie, so how do I make ext3 mount with exec and other options, defaults? |
| 08:30.22 | ectospasm | histo: I suppose you could do that... |
| 08:30.29 | oskie | arvind_khadri: perhaps, check /var/log/kern.log to see if there's a message about it. also try, "mount -o remount,exec /home" as root |
| 08:30.40 | ectospasm | ...but I don't see why you wouldn't have the store run rsnapshot directly |
| 08:30.46 | oskie | arvind_khadri: you could add the 'defaults' mount option |
| 08:30.59 | histo | ectospasm: because rsync can be run from either side it doesn't amtter |
| 08:31.08 | arvind_khadri | oskie, just defaults will do? |
| 08:31.15 | histo | ectospasm: it does both suck and blow as i've tried to stay. You're creating the limitation of only pulling |
| 08:31.28 | jimcooncat | looking for an image viewer. I used to love gqview, but don't now that they killed it and made geeque the replacement. I use irfanview on Windows. Feh isn't quite right. Risoretto has strange keys. I'm so picky! |
| 08:31.32 | b0lt | sacredch1o: you realize experimental packages are likely to be highly unstable, not supported here and that you probably should be able to resolve the issues you're currently having if you are to have any hope of using it? |
| 08:32.10 | histo | s/stay/say/ |
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| 08:33.20 | ectospasm | histo: you keep describing rsync, which is not what the discussion is about. I understand, and agree with you, that rsync can do both push and pull. Your method of getting *rsnapshot* to do both is contrived, IMO. But I see we're not going to agree on this, so I'm dropping in. |
| 08:33.21 | oskie | arvind_khadri: yes - i don't see why you'd want the user option for /home |
| 08:33.26 | ectospasm | s/in./it./ |
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| 08:33.54 | sacredch1o | b0lt: Yes I realise that |
| 08:34.12 | b0lt | just checking |
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| 08:34.32 | sacredch1o | But apt install -t experimental kde-plasma-desktop is not also upgrading the other needed KDE 4.10 packages and I just wanted to know how to tell APT to do that |
| 08:34.41 | arvind_khadri | oskie, I did a mount -a after changing to defaults but mtab still says noexec |
| 08:35.04 | b0lt | sacredch1o: so the dependencies are likely wrong, or it doesn't actually depend on the others |
| 08:35.11 | oskie | arvind_khadri: try the command I sent |
| 08:35.22 | oskie | arvind_khadri: mount -a will not remount filesystems AFAIK |
| 08:35.45 | arvind_khadri | oskie, aah I see |
| 08:35.51 | b0lt | sacredch1o: perhaps generate a list of your currently installed kde packages and feed it to apt for updates? |
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| 08:36.38 | sacredch1o | b0lt: Wow there's some definite issue I think with the dependencies as they are |
| 08:36.47 | sacredch1o | I wanted to use Kdenlive 0.9.6 :-( |
| 08:37.11 | b0lt | issues with dependencies in experimental is not exactly unheard of... |
| 08:37.32 | arvind_khadri | oskie, thanks, your command helps. :) So a entry in fstab will be just defaults right? |
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| 08:37.46 | b0lt | file a bug, perhaps? |
| 08:38.03 | oskie | arvind_khadri: yep, instead of 'rw,user' |
| 08:38.12 | arvind_khadri | oskie, thanks :) |
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| 08:38.43 | oskie | arvind_khadri: according to mount manual, defaults=rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async |
| 08:39.13 | adac | On centos I can crate a simple ".pem" file just like this: "make ANY_NAME.pem" I was wondering how this would work in debian? |
| 08:39.17 | arvind_khadri | oskie, oh |
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| 08:41.15 | oskie | adac: perhaps you can use these files: http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/repos/mailman-ssls/mailman-ssls/doc/CA/ |
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| 08:49.48 | dizzylizzy | Oh no, I'm running Sid and I haven't performed an upgrade in just over a week |
| 08:49.49 | dizzylizzy | :o |
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| 08:53.16 | mastro | liyuelong, dunno, I hope in some other input from this least about core overheating and how to debug the cause |
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| 08:53.31 | mastro | s/least/list/ |
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| 08:55.04 | liyuelong | mastro, me too. I am sorry, but I am still a novice, and this is kind of beyond my knowledge. Hope your problem could soon be solved. |
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| 08:57.04 | mastro | liyuelong, I'm not experiencing any problem (actually recently my laptop randomly freeze itself and I have to hard power off it, but it may be unrelated), it's just a concern to see the temperature going so high on high load |
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| 09:04.15 | hero100 | mastro, I have the same problem. I fixed it by replacing the fan. |
| 09:04.15 | liyuelong | mastro, on very high load my cpu temperature could also jump high, perhaps as high as 70~80. But my cpu load is normally not higher than 10~20, so I don't care much. By enabling rc6 I can keep the fan off at low load. |
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| 09:05.55 | petn-randall | liyuelong: You have a load of 10-20? That's really a lot. Or do you mean %? |
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| 09:06.02 | liyuelong | yeah |
| 09:06.10 | petn-randall | ... |
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| 09:11.44 | b0lt | currently sees load of 14 on a 32 core server. No problem there :) |
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| 09:14.14 | ausnahmefehler | hello. is here somebody who could help me as a linux-beginer with a little shell-script? |
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| 09:14.57 | jpw | ausnahmefehler: please ask the specific question you have and we will be happy to help :) |
| 09:15.17 | ausnahmefehler | OK. I am new to irc-Chats ;-) |
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| 09:15.41 | b0lt | ausnahmefehler: also, #bash - depending on your script language |
| 09:15.51 | b0lt | ..in case nobody replies here, at least |
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| 09:16.34 | ausnahmefehler | my problem: I made a linux-shell-script (bash) that calculates md5sums... it is quiet easy like |
| 09:16.41 | anddam | is it normal to have an empty dmesg buffer in a openvz vm? |
| 09:16.42 | b0lt | !pastebin |
| 09:16.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:16.52 | ausnahmefehler | find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum |
| 09:17.22 | anddam | I'm on this debian guest vm, /boot is empty so no config-* file, and Debian doesn't have /proc/config* |
| 09:17.26 | ausnahmefehler | but the number of files is very high, so that the md5-operation can last one day or more |
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| 09:17.43 | anddam | also dmesg is empty, is it how it's supposed to be? |
| 09:17.50 | anddam | s/is it/is this/ |
| 09:17.58 | ausnahmefehler | I wanted to put a progressbar on the script... I read about "pv" oder something like that, but I do not know to realize this |
| 09:18.06 | b0lt | anddam: depends entirely on your setup. or theirs, as the case may be |
| 09:18.13 | tuxick | lo. anyone know a working approach in getting actual coredumps from apache? |
| 09:18.14 | ausnahmefehler | Anybody an idea? |
| 09:18.26 | tuxick | errorlog telling me about segfaults |
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| 09:19.04 | anddam | b0lt: I wanted to check NFSD in kernel config as per http://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup |
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| 09:20.10 | jpw | ausnahmefehler: progress bars aren't a common feature of shell scripts. Not to say its not possible but you would need to implement your code in a more sophisticated language such as perl. |
| 09:20.14 | tuxick | ausnahmefehler: i just joined, but there's dialog --gauge |
| 09:20.33 | tuxick | prolly out of context :) |
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| 09:20.54 | megha | i need guidance regarding debian pkg management. |
| 09:21.07 | histo | ask |
| 09:21.08 | megha | for that what are the pre-requisites ? |
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| 09:21.40 | ausnahmefehler | I thought about couting the files and then counting the lines (wc -l) in my md5sum-textfile... every 5 minutes... is this possible? |
| 09:22.11 | megha | ausnahmefehler: use cron ? |
| 09:22.36 | histo | ausnahmefehler: I would count the files first then you could generate a progress bar |
| 09:23.14 | ausnahmefehler | @histo: after having counted the files.. how would I realize a progress bar? |
| 09:23.58 | histo | ausnahmefehler: well you'd have to increment a varialbe after each md5sum ++ and then display x of y |
| 09:24.13 | histo | ausnahmefehler: why are you doing this btw |
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| 09:24.52 | ausnahmefehler | it is just an example.. could also be another command as md5sum |
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| 09:25.56 | Scall | Hello, does somebody know if the freezes that occured with a Ivy Bridge processor and a Intel HD Graphics 4000 with the 3.2 kernel have been fixed in Debian Wheezy? I already know that with more recent kernel version the problem was fixed. Thanks in advance. |
| 09:26.05 | ausnahmefehler | so if I got it: there are 1.000.000 files... and I read the lines of the md5-file every 5 minutes..how is the command for getting percentage? |
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| 09:26.46 | tokern3 | hi. what is the fastest download accelerator? |
| 09:27.09 | histo | ausnahmefehler: ((whatever current variable value) / ( totale count of files) ) * 100 = percentage |
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| 09:27.28 | tokern3 | in my country we have really slow internet connection so i need a very good download accelerator so much |
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| 09:27.44 | b0lt | tokern3: there is no such thing. there never was and never will be. |
| 09:27.56 | ausnahmefehler | oh. such easy. I will try this |
| 09:28.03 | b0lt | tokern3: you can get a program that supports partial downloads, resumes and multiple threads, but that's all they can do |
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| 09:28.22 | ausnahmefehler | and I can do this with crontab every 5 min or is there a better solution? |
| 09:28.25 | tokern3 | b0lt: i meant this |
| 09:28.32 | b0lt | tokern3: also most things to that today, with the exception of multiple connections. hell, iceweasel can stop and resume |
| 09:28.40 | b0lt | s/to/do |
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| 09:29.39 | tokern3 | b0l i need somthing which break file into some parts and download them partially. so it can add speed .also it can resume. somethin like idm in wondows. i really miss my lovely idm :( |
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| 09:30.04 | tokern3 | b0lt: i jheard fatrat is good but that was sooo slow |
| 09:30.18 | b0lt | how was it slow? |
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| 09:30.37 | tokern3 | multiget is not too bad. but i want something better: faster+ more powerful |
| 09:31.20 | b0lt | gets multiple flashbacks to the "speed up your modem" malware of the 90's |
| 09:31.30 | tokern3 | b0lt: maybe you can't believe me........but best speed for home users is 20k |
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| 09:31.48 | tokern3 | but in fatrat it was 7 or 8 kb |
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| 09:33.05 | tokern3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.47 | b0lt | try them all? |
| 09:34.27 | b0lt | "better" depends very much on your preference. i'm sure the people working on each prefer their own |
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| 09:35.18 | anddam | b0lt: and problem solved "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning)." |
| 09:35.24 | anddam | I'll contact support |
| 09:35.41 | b0lt | huh? |
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| 09:36.04 | anddam | b0lt: about my previous question about lacking of /boot/config* that was meant to check for NFSD support |
| 09:36.16 | anddam | or I guess I could go with userspace NFS, right? |
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| 09:36.22 | yucatan | with cpulimit i can set 0 to 100 % but is this total of for each core ? |
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| 09:37.00 | yucatan | i have a core i7-2600 4 cores 4 treaths on 3.4 ghz so how does cpulimit work is that single core? multi core? |
| 09:37.44 | hellyeah | is there a way connect wireless network via terminal |
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| 09:38.00 | Zeeflo | hey you's! |
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| 09:38.40 | Zeeflo | Is it possible to create a textfile that has: <hostname> <directory content> : listed ? |
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| 09:39.50 | babilen | hellyeah: Sure, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line details some methods. You probably also want to read /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.Debian.gz |
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| 09:40.30 | babilen | hellyeah: Are you not using a graphical system on your box? |
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| 09:40.41 | hellyeah | not yet |
| 09:40.58 | hellyeah | debian reported bad archive mirror while installing |
| 09:41.08 | hellyeah | so i have to manually install packages |
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| 09:41.24 | ectospasm | maybe the mirror you've selected is foobarred... try another one. |
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| 09:41.52 | anddam | hellyeah: iwconfig IIRC |
| 09:41.54 | yucatan | with cpulimit i can set 0 to 100 % but is this total of for each core ? |
| 09:41.55 | babilen | hellyeah: Which version of Debian do you plan to install and which image did you use? Did you try other mirrors? But then, you can connect to your network and install the rest of the packages now. |
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| 09:41.58 | yucatan | i have a core i7-2600 4 cores 4 treaths on 3.4 ghz so how does cpulimit work is that single core? multi core? |
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| 09:42.10 | Zeeflo | anyone? |
| 09:42.12 | hellyeah | actually i told automated install so debian installer automatically selected the scriopt |
| 09:42.27 | babilen | yucatan: There is no need to repeat the question -- What have you tried so far to answer it? Did you read cpulimit's manpage? |
| 09:42.39 | yucatan | yes i did |
| 09:42.44 | yucatan | they only talk about procentage |
| 09:42.49 | anddam | Zeeflo: I don't understand your question, what's <directory content>? |
| 09:42.50 | hellyeah | iwconfig and iwlist not working |
| 09:42.50 | babilen | hellyeah: "the script" ? |
| 09:43.10 | babilen | hellyeah: How are they not working? So, which version of Debian did you install? |
| 09:43.12 | hellyeah | babilen: i dunno it is script i just selected "automated install" |
| 09:43.17 | hellyeah | wheezy |
| 09:43.21 | anddam | hellyeah: can you further explain "not working"? |
| 09:43.26 | e-anima | shellscript question. i amp to localhost with LFTP. my problem now is that i want to log every error. problem is it shows everything in the console but how to log only errors? i mirror like this: http://pastie.org/7411851 |
| 09:43.27 | Zeeflo | anddam, I need to print the hostname and the filenames of a directory into a textfile |
| 09:43.46 | babilen | e-anima: That is rather on-topic in #bash |
| 09:43.52 | e-anima | ok thx |
| 09:43.55 | Zeeflo | so that the text file would look like: hostname filename.bla etc etc |
| 09:44.08 | anddam | Zeeflo: ok, and where are you stuck at? |
| 09:44.10 | b0lt | hellyeah: please don't keep using a half installed system. get a reliable mirror and internet connection and complete the installation |
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| 09:44.22 | Zeeflo | anddam, im stuck on how to do that :) |
| 09:44.44 | babilen | e-anima: Or not entirely sure actually :) |
| 09:44.46 | hellyeah | iwlist command not found they why debian meantioned that |
| 09:44.56 | anddam | Zeeflo: not even a clue on what tool you're going to use? |
| 09:45.04 | Zeeflo | print ? |
| 09:45.11 | babilen | hellyeah: Ok, so you don't have wireless-tools installed. Which image did you download? |
| 09:45.19 | anddam | Zeeflo: a shell script seems reasonable |
| 09:45.20 | hellyeah | wheezy |
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| 09:45.41 | Zeeflo | anddam, soo? |
| 09:45.53 | anddam | Zeeflo: I'd write the output of "ls yourdirectory" into a file, then prepend each line with the hostname |
| 09:46.07 | anddam | Zeeflo: that's likely two commands |
| 09:46.25 | Zeeflo | anddam, can you help me how? |
| 09:46.33 | babilen | Zeeflo: That is pretty easy, just use something like: find /path/to/dir -exec echo $(hostname) {} \; |
| 09:46.53 | anddam | also |
| 09:47.03 | babilen | Zeeflo: That calls hostname for every file though, so you might want to call it now and save it in a variable. |
| 09:47.06 | anddam | that's assuming bash |
| 09:47.22 | babilen | anddam: No, it is assuming find |
| 09:47.28 | anddam | or better, sh |
| 09:47.38 | anddam | babilen: try it on fish and tell me how well it works |
| 09:47.42 | babilen | and yeah, a shell would be good :) |
| 09:47.54 | Zeeflo | heh |
| 09:48.36 | babilen | anddam: fish seems to be broken in so many ways that I rather don't ;) -- either way, it shouldn't be too hard to get bash running to run this command. |
| 09:48.38 | Zeeflo | where in this command find /path/to/dir -exec echo $(hostname) {} \; does it write the output to a textfile? |
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| 09:49.15 | babilen | Zeeflo: It doesn't, but you can easily redirect its output to a textfile by suffixing it with "> the.text.file" |
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| 09:49.59 | Zeeflo | wait.. so > text.txt after any command will output to a .txt file? |
| 09:50.03 | anddam | babilen: it's not very broken, and I find its syntax way more streamlined than bash's |
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| 09:50.25 | babilen | Zeeflo: See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/InputAndOutput → 4. Redirection |
| 09:50.27 | anddam | Zeeflo: read a bash primer, you're searching for "redirection" |
| 09:51.20 | babilen | hellyeah: So, back to you. Can't you remember which image you used? |
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| 09:51.51 | miandonmenmian | does anyone know how to fix the UEFI bootloader for debian ? |
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| 09:52.00 | babilen | miandonmenmian: What is broken with it? |
| 09:52.04 | miandonmenmian | i cant find the right address to point to the grub |
| 09:52.21 | Zeeflo | babilen, works like a charm |
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| 09:52.24 | Zeeflo | thanks! |
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| 09:53.04 | miandonmenmian | babilen, how can i reinstall the grub on the partition for debian ? im doing chainloading? or dual boot |
| 09:53.20 | babilen | Zeeflo: No problem, it certainly can be tweaked a little but then ... if you don't run this a bazillion times each hour that might be too much work. |
| 09:53.27 | Pricey | Using evolution-mapi to grab mail from an Exchange server. I've had a series of >2mb mails delivered to me and after saving the contained csv attachments, realised that they had been truncated. Random sizes. Saving again from Evolution gives same result. Is there a way to get it to refetch an email? |
| 09:53.34 | miandonmenmian | im not sure if i should overwrite the other bootloader, or let UEFI choose the loader... |
| 09:53.52 | Zeeflo | nono, I need it to do this a few times a day |
| 09:53.57 | babilen | miandonmenmian: You would typically run "grub-install /dev/sda" (or something like that, replace /dev/sda with the path to the block device that you want to install to) |
| 09:53.58 | Zeeflo | so, ill just add it to a cronb |
| 09:54.01 | Zeeflo | -b |
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| 09:54.37 | mallxs | should i be worried by kernel msg: " Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP" ? |
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| 09:55.11 | babilen | Zeeflo: that'll be fine ... as I said, you could move the call to hostname out so it is only called once |
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| 09:55.50 | Zeeflo | thats fine.. If I decide to change the hostname, I dont gotta remember to call it again :) |
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| 09:56.09 | miandonmenmian | babilen, thanks, i will try to do that then. I was hoping i could use UEFI to load debian, to avoid having grub, is that possible? |
| 09:56.11 | babilen | miandonmenmian: Are you dual-booting (with which operating systems) ? Which version of Debian did you install? Did you use UEFI/GPT from the start or did you convert to it? |
| 09:56.18 | miandonmenmian | perhaps i am not getting what UEFI is for |
| 09:56.57 | miandonmenmian | babilen, Wheezy and windows8. UEFI is skipping keys, so i guess i dont need to convert anything |
| 09:57.42 | babilen | miandonmenmian: Well, you should use grub-efi if you use efi. You need grub either way :) -- If you plan to dual boot with other operating systems such as MS Windows you should install os-prober as well. The wheezy installer does get this right though (it did last time I checked at least). You might have to run "update-grub2" to update the grub configuration though. |
| 09:58.05 | histo | miandonmenmian: you can load the kernel with efi stub if it supports it. I have yet to test though. |
| 09:58.45 | babilen | miandonmenmian: When you install wheezy you'll be asked where you want to install grub. If you booted the installer via UEFI and if you have a compatible disk layout (GPT + a number of efi/system partitions) the installer will automagically install in such a way that it works. |
| 09:59.30 | miandonmenmian | oh, that is interesting, i did the GPT layout but i've no idea about a number of efi/system partitions |
| 09:59.32 | hellyeah | what is wireless mode, |
| 09:59.49 | miandonmenmian | i just partitioned normally... is there any special flag for EFI partitions? |
| 10:00.08 | babilen | miandonmenmian: Did you boot the installer in UEFI mode? |
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| 10:01.04 | _martin | hi, where saves debian / gnome network manager the settings to the wifis? |
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| 10:01.43 | miandonmenmian | babilen, no.. how should i load the installer from UEFI ? just call it at boot up and select the installer location? |
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| 10:02.12 | histo | miandonmenmian: ef00 I believe |
| 10:02.36 | babilen | miandonmenmian: You are simply required to use GPT and you have to create some specific partitions for UEFI. That does, for example, include the efi system partition (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition) and the BIOS boot partition (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_Boot_partition) -- Both are created by the installer if you choose "Guided partitioning" -- I am never happy with the partition sizes of guided partitioning though. |
| 10:02.36 | histo | miandonmenmian: also it's gpt based and the EFI portion usually needs to be on fat32 partition |
| 10:02.42 | hellyeah | iwconfig wlan0 essid NETWORK_ID key WIRELESS_KEY |
| 10:02.52 | hellyeah | is there anything wrong in that command |
| 10:03.08 | babilen | hellyeah: How is your network encrypted? |
| 10:03.28 | histo | miandonmenmian: This isn't a 32bit system with efi right? |
| 10:03.51 | hellyeah | wpa2 |
| 10:03.52 | miandonmenmian | histo, it is not 32bit, its 64bit |
| 10:04.07 | histo | miandonmenmian: then you should be good with the wheezy installer |
| 10:04.10 | babilen | miandonmenmian: As a result of that, I typically boot the installer in UEFI mode and then use guided partitioning to configure the EFI stuff only to resize/adjust all other partitions to my liking. |
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| 10:04.54 | miandonmenmian | babilen, will the guided partition use only free space? or it will harm my other OS partition? |
| 10:04.55 | histo | miandonmenmian: I'm still struggling with a 32bit efi only system and getting any form of nix installed myself and now I know way more about uefi than I ever wanted to. |
| 10:05.10 | babilen | miandonmenmian: I have no idea how this works together with MS Windows as I haven't used that in, at least, a decade. |
| 10:05.32 | histo | miandonmenmian: is windows installed in EFI mode? |
| 10:06.03 | babilen | miandonmenmian: And guided partitioning will assume that you use the entire disk ... At least it has to if you want *it* to setup the EFI partitions. If you already boot MS Windows via EFI you probably have those partitions already and therefore don't have to change them. |
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| 10:07.06 | babilen | miandonmenmian: The output of "gdisk -l /dev/sda" should provide some clarity. (paste it to http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 10:10.01 | hellyeah | babilen: here is my issue http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14119446/iwconfig-connect-network-via-wifi-on-terminal look at the question |
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| 10:11.04 | miandonmenmian | babilen, thanks a bunch, need to get the live cd working first.. i'll check gdisk -l and check if i've entered EFI correcty.. if i cant i will be back with gdisk info |
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| 10:31.39 | tuxick | wireless on linux is a massive pain |
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| 11:56.33 | hellyeah | i coulnd t find the package linux-headers-3.0.2-3-amd64 |
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| 11:57.11 | hellyeah | but module-assistant wants that package |
| 11:57.13 | hellyeah | what can i do |
| 11:57.53 | ChrisH | hellyeah: check aptitude search linux-header |
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| 11:59.01 | hellyeah | i alreadyy checked |
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| 11:59.54 | hellyeah | i saw the result linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 but not 0-3 |
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| 12:00.23 | babilen | hellyeah: You shouldn't use module assistant. Are you trying to install the nvidia driver? |
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| 12:00.44 | hellyeah | yes |
| 12:01.01 | hellyeah | babilen: this is official debian wiki i look into it |
| 12:01.04 | babilen | As mentioned earlier (twice!): Just follow: |
| 12:01.08 | babilen | dpkg: nvidia dkms wheezy |
| 12:01.08 | dpkg | For Wheezy users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 12:01.51 | babilen | hellyeah: The wiki is horrible and it is /very/ hard to figure out that DKMS is the recommended procedure and that one shouldn't use nvidia-xconfig or anything like that, but a minimal configuration in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as detailed above. |
| 12:02.11 | babilen | .oO( We really should work on that page, it is causing so much pain and horror ) |
| 12:02.30 | hellyeah | it is first result in google besides |
| 12:02.35 | ectospasm | I followed that page (IIRC) without too much trepidation. |
| 12:02.40 | babilen | hellyeah: Trust me, it is not good. |
| 12:02.44 | hellyeah | almost two years same method have publist on the web |
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| 12:03.03 | hellyeah | someone may need to rewrite documentation |
| 12:03.07 | babilen | hellyeah: The fact that you think that you should use module-assistant and not DKMS is enough evidence |
| 12:03.15 | hellyeah | if there is a problem |
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| 12:03.33 | babilen | hellyeah: Yes, we should absolutely rewrite that documentation. |
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| 12:03.51 | babilen | hellyeah: For now, just believe me and follow the procedure outlined by dpkg above. |
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| 12:04.16 | hellyeah | sure |
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| 12:06.04 | hellyeah | is there any tools in debian like wpaste |
| 12:06.19 | franco00 | hello debianers: I have a led on my machine. I want this led to blink on mail arrive. I know how to turn the led on and off. So I thought: write in a file if there is mail (done), have a permanent process check the file and blink if it is needed. I don't know how or where to put that 'permanent process'. Placed it in bashrc, but it's obviously wrong, since it gets 'initialised' every time I fire up a terminal (instead it should be a 'shared' process). |
| 12:06.24 | hellyeah | gentoo have a tool for paste files content toa spesific paste site |
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| 12:09.37 | ChrisH | hellyeah: pastebinit |
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| 12:12.51 | hellyeah | hey |
| 12:12.59 | hellyeah | babilen: no result it is same |
| 12:13.13 | hellyeah | step dpkg describe dont work |
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| 12:15.41 | dashs | What mirror site contain backports for squeeze? |
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| 12:20.49 | petn-randall | dashs: All the official ones do. |
| 12:21.06 | abrotman | looks at histo |
| 12:22.49 | dashs | petn-randall: not that much. But there is a special list, so I found them. |
| 12:23.28 | petn-randall | dashs: This is the regular list: http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
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| 12:26.29 | Zeeflo | if a server suddenly loose connectivity, where can I look in the log files to find out what happened? |
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| 12:27.06 | abrotman | Zeeflo: suddenly? nothing happened at all? |
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| 12:27.25 | Zeeflo | no.. It just lost connectivity for 5 minutes and then it was reachable again |
| 12:27.35 | Zeeflo | sorta just went off the grid and came back.. |
| 12:27.36 | abrotman | is it local or remote? |
| 12:27.42 | Zeeflo | remote in a datacenter |
| 12:27.52 | Zeeflo | datacenter says they have had no issues.. |
| 12:27.59 | abrotman | so you'd have to ask every router in between if something happened? |
| 12:27.59 | Zeeflo | and I should look in my logs.. |
| 12:28.22 | Zeeflo | and I am wondering what logs I should look in.. |
| 12:28.39 | abrotman | look in dmesg to see if you see the link going up/down |
| 12:28.45 | abrotman | but i'd suspect something upstream |
| 12:29.04 | Zeeflo | ok.. ill look in dmes |
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| 12:30.38 | Zeeflo | dmesg only has info from yesterday when the server was rebooted |
| 12:30.40 | Zeeflo | nothing from today |
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| 12:32.16 | lancelot_of | hi all |
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| 12:32.31 | Zeeflo | hmm.. wierd.. |
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| 12:32.43 | lancelot_of | is there any hex codes list for colors like that in rgb in /etc/X11/rgb.txt? |
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| 12:34.26 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: 1. dmesg 2. cd /var/log; ls -rtl and check for the time the system did not answer |
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| 12:34.54 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 12:37.04 | Zeeflo | ls -rtl just lists the content of /var/log ?? |
| 12:37.29 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: given the 'cd' before was done, yes |
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| 12:39.47 | lancelot_of | no answers for me? |
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| 12:41.15 | abrotman | lancelot_of: aren't they uh .. hex values for colors? |
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| 12:42.23 | dub_ | hi, i try to configure an Intel 82580 network card, by default don't work, anyone known what package has this module? |
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| 12:43.20 | gnude | dub: firmware_unfree? |
| 12:43.33 | lancelot_of | abrotman, no, they're in rgb code, i'd like to have a #rrggbb hex code |
| 12:43.35 | dub_ | gnude, no, default firmware |
| 12:44.06 | nkuttler | is there another method than grub-install to .. install grub? |
| 12:44.20 | abrotman | lancelot_of: right, values are from 0-255 |
| 12:44.24 | jiohdi | lancelot_of, you can always use gimp and the color pick tool to get you the code |
| 12:44.27 | gnude | dub: ok. that was my first idea. |
| 12:44.28 | abrotman | nkuttler: magnet .. |
| 12:44.32 | dub_ | gnude, the idea is remove the default firmware and compile the intel driver, but i dont find the default package |
| 12:44.40 | abrotman | dub_: which version of Debian ? |
| 12:45.10 | dub_ | wheezy, 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 12:45.28 | abrotman | dub_: have you checked packges.debian.org for a newer firmware package? |
| 12:46.10 | abrotman | i see a newer one in experimental |
| 12:46.30 | abrotman | plus, you may need the 3.8.x kernel from experimental also |
| 12:46.41 | dub_ | abrotman, yes i dont find nothing |
| 12:46.48 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:46.52 | nkuttler | grub-install doesn't make my hd bootable, but reports no error either.. and yes, it's the right device |
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| 12:46.59 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi |
| 12:47.00 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; experimental/non-free: 0.37 |
| 12:48.09 | bezaban | oh he left, shouldn't be any worse than running a shell script to convert the decimal values to hex, think it should be trivial with bc |
| 12:48.30 | abrotman | or do it in your head :) |
| 12:48.45 | bezaban | of course, but if he wants a complete file with the same names from there |
| 12:49.20 | bezaban | instead of doing it 750 times in your head ;) |
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| 12:50.00 | abrotman | pfft .. |
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| 12:50.10 | abrotman | mental exercise! |
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| 12:50.48 | dub_ | abrotman, what package do you find? |
| 12:51.55 | e-anima | i saw tat the lftp package is like 3 years old. is there a possible way to get a newer one. i know i could compile it myself but that often ends in a desaster |
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| 12:52.26 | e-anima | i am on debian 6 |
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| 12:53.48 | jelly | ,v lftp |
| 12:53.49 | judd | Package: lftp on i386 -- squeeze: 4.0.6-1; wheezy: 4.3.6-1+deb7u1; sid: 4.3.8-1.1 |
| 12:53.53 | abrotman | dub_: firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 12:54.06 | abrotman | e-anima: has it really changed that much ? |
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| 12:54.31 | jelly | it changed by 0.3.2!!!! |
| 12:54.49 | e-anima | i am not sure but i have a shellscrpt and its not setting the variables. using config it works. so wanted to update and check again |
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| 12:56.30 | e-anima | http://pastie.org/7420453 <- that i mean with variable the SET its just warning me of certificate even if i set it to NO |
| 12:56.50 | nkuttler | meh. lilo doesn't boot either |
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| 12:57.03 | nkuttler | beginning to sound like disk corruption |
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| 13:01.58 | abrotman | nkuttler: what's on the drive now ? |
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| 13:02.22 | ChrisH | my isdnlog does not work, details: http://paste.debian.net/248659/ On the previous box its OK. |
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| 13:03.40 | nkuttler | abrotman: three debian installs |
| 13:04.15 | abrotman | nkuttler: oh, so you cn't wipe the disk and try again .. |
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| 13:04.38 | nkuttler | abrotman: i could do that. not sure why it would change anything though? |
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| 13:08.29 | babilen | hellyeah: Doesn't work in which way? |
| 13:08.46 | jiohdi | would debian allow the entire HD to be encrypted and then use a USB stick with grub to boot it? |
| 13:09.04 | hellyeah | i didnt see nvidia driver become active |
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| 13:10.04 | ChrisH | jiohdi: key on USB Stick as file? |
| 13:10.17 | jubo2 | is there any way to control the screen brightness in Debian GNU/Linux. The screen is too dim. The brightness control works on Windows 7 on this same machine |
| 13:10.32 | jubo2 | Is there something I can install to control the brightness |
| 13:10.37 | jiohdi | ChrisH, yes, without usb no boot, no getting around using puppy or anything else |
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| 13:11.02 | ChrisH | jiohdi: this is possible. |
| 13:11.32 | jiohdi | seems fraught with danger as usb's dont see 100% reliable yet |
| 13:11.45 | babilen | hellyeah: How did you expect to see it? |
| 13:11.57 | jiohdi | see*m |
| 13:12.14 | hellyeah | may be before gdm i could see nvidia logo |
| 13:12.29 | ChrisH | jiohdi: check http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ and /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz for ideas on how to do it. |
| 13:12.37 | jiohdi | thanks |
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| 13:12.59 | ectospasm | hellyeah: that's an option in nvidia-settings |
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| 13:13.10 | ectospasm | ...if you're using the proprietary driver, of course |
| 13:13.19 | babilen | hellyeah: The logo is not necessarily shown (you can configure that) -- Would you mind installing mesa-utils and running "glxinfo|grep render" and paste that with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ? I take it that you followed /all/ instructions precisely and that you already rebooted. |
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| 13:13.30 | hellyeah | my system can only work with free nvidia driver nouevau |
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| 13:13.39 | babilen | hellyeah: Why is that? |
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| 13:13.54 | babilen | Either way, please provide the requested information. |
| 13:13.56 | hellyeah | when i change to nvidia x wont work |
| 13:14.01 | hellyeah | yeah sure justr a sec |
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| 13:15.14 | babilen | hellyeah: So you followed the instructions by dpkg and rebooted and then Xorg does not start? Could you /also/ paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old seperately? |
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| 13:16.39 | babilen | hellyeah: Did you do /anything/ else apart from the two commands in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" ? Please include the following commands and their output in your paste too: "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf" "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" "dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" |
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| 13:19.57 | bguery | hi |
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| 13:20.23 | bguery | Is it possible that mount disks with acl support makes my openvz vme crashes? |
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| 13:20.52 | canolucas | hi. i'm configuring a mail server. everything works fine, but when sending mail from desktop clients, i want to disallow sending mail without authentiion (only autenticated SMTP connections with user and pass). for this, i changed smtpd.conf adding "pwcheck_method: saslauthd" and "mech_list: plain login". and in slapd.conf: sasl-secprops "noanonymous,noplain,noactive,nodict" but i can still send mail from the client without setting the user and passw |
| 13:20.52 | canolucas | ord in the SMTP configuration after restarting slapd |
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| 13:21.13 | GasVesa | hid3, i need some help. How can i autorun "sudo ./apphere" after login? |
| 13:21.28 | GasVesa | *hi |
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| 13:22.01 | seekanet | i'm no expert or anything GasVesa, but probably a cronjob |
| 13:22.02 | babilen | GasVesa: Log into which DE? |
| 13:22.13 | babilen | GasVesa: And which application is that? |
| 13:22.43 | GasVesa | babilen, crunchbang (debian unstable) |
| 13:22.52 | babilen | bguery: OpenVZ has been deprecated and it might be possible. You might want to ask in #openvz as they are more likely to know a lot about OpenVZ :) |
| 13:22.56 | babilen | dpkg: crunchbang |
| 13:22.56 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 13:22.59 | GasVesa | babilen, the app is a driver for logitech g13 |
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| 13:23.19 | babilen | GasVesa: Head over to #crunchbang -- We only support Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. Good luck! |
| 13:23.29 | bguery | babilen, ah I didn't know that openvz has been deprecated |
| 13:23.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell bguery -about openvz |
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| 13:24.02 | babilen | judd: bug #574529 |
| 13:24.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/574529 in release-notes (closed): «release-notes: [SQUEEZE] vserver kernel flavors deprecated»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-03-18; last modified: 2010-12-28. |
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| 13:24.14 | bguery | babilen, thanks |
| 13:24.20 | hellyeah | babilen: dpaste.com/1053543 |
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| 13:24.47 | seekanet | babilen hi |
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| 13:26.26 | babilen | canolucas: You might want to tell us which mail server you are using there. It might also be an idea to ask in their respective channel (e.g. #exim for exim4 and #postfix for (surprise!) postfix) |
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| 13:27.14 | babilen | hellyeah: Ok, I take it that that is the output of "glxinfo" -- Please continue with the log files and the rest of the commands. Please /always/ paste the command as well so that I can see which block of output belongs to which command. |
| 13:27.33 | hellyeah | sorry |
| 13:27.38 | hellyeah | wait a sec |
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| 13:28.16 | hellyeah | dpaste.com/1053546 |
| 13:28.34 | babilen | yes, we had that already :) |
| 13:28.57 | hellyeah | i just stated the command :D |
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| 13:29.06 | babilen | dpkg: And it wasn't "grep info" but "grep render" |
| 13:29.06 | dpkg | babilen: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 13:29.12 | babilen | hellyeah: ^^ |
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| 13:29.44 | seekanet | when will the new debian be released as stable (because i guess fail at learning how to upgrade froms queezy to wheezy or something |
| 13:29.59 | hellyeah | babilen: same result |
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| 13:30.40 | babilen | hellyeah: Ok, so please 1. "glxinfo | grep render" 2. "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf" 3. "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" 4. "dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" 5. Paste /both/ /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 13:30.56 | hellyeah | sure |
| 13:31.09 | babilen | hellyeah: And answer the following earlier question: Did you do /anything/ else apart from the two commands in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" ? |
| 13:31.18 | jpw | seekanet: when it's ready. There are currently around 50 release critical bugs to be fixed. When they are wheezy will be released. |
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| 13:31.25 | babilen | hellyeah: Oh, and throw in 6. "lspci -nn |grep -i vga" |
| 13:31.47 | babilen | hellyeah: You can paste all single commands in a single paste (don't forget the commands!) |
| 13:31.57 | hellyeah | sure |
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| 13:33.55 | jubo2 | I try to set the backlight brighter using xbacklight and it says just "No outputs have backlight property" |
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| 13:35.26 | hellyeah | a sec |
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| 13:37.17 | babilen | seekanet: when it is ready ... Within a couple of weeks is my guess |
| 13:37.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell seekanet -about wwwr |
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| 13:44.08 | babilen | hellyeah: ping? |
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| 13:45.42 | hellyeah | babilen: dpaste.com/1053561 |
| 13:45.47 | canolucas | babilen, kolab from the squeeze repos |
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| 13:46.02 | canolucas | babilen, it uses postfix |
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| 13:48.22 | babilen | hellyeah: Okay, could you re-run "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" please and show me that? |
| 13:48.40 | hellyeah | sure |
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| 13:50.09 | babilen | hellyeah: You are also missing command 2. and 3. -- It looks as if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- Where did that come from? Did you actually follow the commands in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" |
| 13:50.31 | hellyeah | dpaste.com/1053565 |
| 13:50.35 | babilen | hellyeah: I am also /still/ waiting for the answer to the question if you did /anything/ else after running the two commands in the dpkg factoid. |
| 13:51.14 | babilen | hellyeah: The command is "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" not "dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" |
| 13:51.33 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 13:51.35 | hellyeah | sure |
| 13:52.33 | babilen | hellyeah: Did you install anything else nvidia related apart from running "aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms" ? Did you reboot? |
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| 13:53.39 | hellyeah | COLUMNS |
| 13:53.45 | hellyeah | this words is included |
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| 13:54.11 | hellyeah | ?, |
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| 13:54.43 | Geri_ | hello, I have got a problem with sudo and sudoers. I have hastebin'd it http://hastebin.com/camunowufo.vhdl I am lost, what am I missing? |
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| 13:55.37 | babilen | hellyeah: Yes, the complete command is "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" |
| 13:55.38 | themill | Geri_: > etc is not part of the command that will be passed to sudo |
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| 13:56.01 | themill | babilen: «bash: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*nvidia*': command not found» |
| 13:56.02 | themill | hides |
| 13:56.27 | hellyeah | my shall didnt accept columns=200 |
| 13:56.43 | babilen | themill: har har ... *sigh* |
| 13:57.03 | themill | hellyeah: any reason you're not just copy-pasting these commands? |
| 13:57.06 | canolucas | babilen, solved |
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| 13:57.18 | babilen | yay, I've been solved! |
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| 13:58.33 | Geri__ | themill: argh, I see. How can I modify my sudoers appropriately? (if I should, of course) |
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| 13:58.51 | babilen | hellyeah: Just copy the three outstanding commands into your shell, run them and paste the entire session into a pastebin. Make sure /not/ to copy the quotation marks (") and to not change the commands in any way. |
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| 14:01.37 | Geri___ | bloody connection. themill , I will repeat myself (sent a message but don't know wheter it was delivered): should I change my sudoers file? |
| 14:01.50 | babilen | hellyeah: Did you run into any specific problem? |
| 14:02.33 | hellyeah | wait a sec |
| 14:02.39 | hellyeah | i just give you a link |
| 14:03.18 | themill | Geri___: yes. Remove everything from > onwards |
| 14:03.21 | hellyeah | dpaste.com/1053587 |
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| 14:03.33 | hellyeah | babilen: dpaste.com/1053587 |
| 14:03.40 | babilen | hellyeah: I am just surprised that it takes you around ten minutes to run those commands and paste them and their output. Why is that? Is there anything that could make it easier? |
| 14:04.00 | hellyeah | because i am talking with you with another computer |
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| 14:04.15 | hellyeah | my debian is in another computer |
| 14:04.34 | babilen | hellyeah: ok, now remove the " " and carry on. I am also /still/ waiting for the output of "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia*" |
| 14:04.44 | t_dot_zilla | does php-fpm not ship with squeeze? |
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| 14:04.55 | hellyeah | babilen: sec |
| 14:05.08 | themill | t_dot_zilla: no, it wasn't ready for squeeze |
| 14:05.16 | t_dot_zilla | damn that sucks |
| 14:05.29 | t_dot_zilla | how do you recommend i get it running on squeeze? |
| 14:05.29 | MrKen | t_dot_zilla: FWIW, I've had good luck with the dotdeb packages on squeeze |
| 14:05.35 | babilen | hellyeah: I mentioned earlier to make sure not to copy the quotation marks. Please read what I say and answer /all/ questions. this is taking very long and I am running out of patience. |
| 14:05.45 | t_dot_zilla | MrKen: is dotdeb down? i get 404 |
| 14:05.58 | t_dot_zilla | also i'm running squeeze on arm, wonder if that makes a diff |
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| 14:06.05 | Geri___ | themill: it works! Thanks! |
| 14:06.06 | babilen | t_dot_zilla: You don't. You might want to run it on wheezy if that is an option. |
| 14:06.11 | MrKen | t_dot_zilla: Oh, could be - I've only used on x86 :( |
| 14:06.16 | themill | I wouldn't recommend dotdeb packages |
| 14:06.34 | MrKen | themill: Hmm, why? |
| 14:06.36 | t_dot_zilla | i like php-fpm though... |
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| 14:07.12 | themill | MrKen: poor quality packages that don't care about being able to be upgraded and don't provide a stable basis for doing anything |
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| 14:08.05 | MrKen | themill: Fair enough. Must confess, only use them when I have to (typically systems that can't be upgraded to wheezy) |
| 14:09.11 | e-anima | transferin ga file from an ftp: 451 Transfer aborted. Broken pipe. the file is very lon containg crappy chars like !&0[4]and so on |
| 14:09.20 | e-anima | any ideas |
| 14:09.51 | babilen | resets his parser |
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| 14:13.06 | hellyeah | babilen: dpaste.com/1051598 |
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| 14:14.46 | babilen | hellyeah: Ok, I think that concludes our conversation. |
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| 14:15.27 | t_dot_zilla | MrKen: dotdeb down? |
| 14:15.42 | MrKen | t_dot_zilla: Seems ok to me... |
| 14:16.14 | MrKen | t_dot_zilla: Website and archive |
| 14:16.30 | hellyeah | why |
| 14:16.32 | hellyeah | ? |
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| 14:16.56 | t_dot_zilla | http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 14:16.59 | t_dot_zilla | not working for me |
| 14:17.27 | babilen | dpkg: dotdeb |
| 14:17.29 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 14:17.50 | t_dot_zilla | anybody else not able to browse to that URL ? |
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| 14:19.13 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: That's getting off-topic here. But the problem is somewhere between you and the site. |
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| 14:25.39 | rndnick49_2 | bugs.debian.org down? |
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| 14:26.19 | t_dot_zilla | is that off topic? |
| 14:26.41 | ChrisH | rndnick49_2: does redirect to http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ and works for me |
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| 14:28.12 | rndnick49_2 | ChrisH: strange, not for me, bugs.debian.org for me is 140.211.166.26 |
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| 14:30.34 | rndnick49_2 | dig suggests 140.211.166.26 or 206.12.19.140 |
| 14:30.54 | rndnick49_2 | or 2607:f8f0:610:4000:6564:a62:ce0c:138c |
| 14:30.56 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: It works for me, too. The problem lies between you and the server. |
| 14:31.17 | rndnick49_2 | petn-randall: can you check which host works for you? |
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| 14:32.54 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: Yes, it works for me, and probably most other people in here. ==> http://isitup.org/bugs.debian.org |
| 14:33.06 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: try a traceroute on it if you get a timeout. |
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| 14:33.46 | rndnick49_2 | It took 191 ms for a 302 response code with an ip of 206.12.19.140. |
| 14:33.57 | rndnick49_2 | 140.211.166.26 != 206.12.19.140 |
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| 14:35.03 | rndnick49_2 | petn-randall: can you paste: dig -t A +short bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:35.28 | rndnick49_2 | or maybe "dig -t A +short bugs.debian.org|xargs" |
| 14:35.39 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: Are you kidding me? |
| 14:35.53 | rndnick49_2 | petn-randall: you know one name can map to multiple ips |
| 14:36.01 | rndnick49_2 | yust because one works doesn't mean all work |
| 14:36.10 | rndnick49_2 | ~s/yust/just |
| 14:36.19 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: The website works, it resolves to two IPs, both work. The problem lies between YOU and that site. Nobody can debug but you. |
| 14:36.21 | babilen | rndnick49_2: petn-randall already mentioned both IPs that come up |
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| 14:36.45 | rndnick49_2 | babilen: no he didn't |
| 14:36.49 | babilen | rndnick49_2: Run a traceroute as suggested and share the results with us if you want further pointers |
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| 14:37.03 | jparkton | Last time I tried to use the NVIDIA autoconf thing it added a line i xorg and I couldnt boot to my desktop because of the drivers. What can I do to set this up correctly? |
| 14:37.07 | babilen | rndnick49_2: Ah, right. You did. |
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| 14:37.58 | rndnick49_2 | babilen: it would just be nice if someone could confirm bugs.debian.org resolves to those 2 ips |
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| 14:38.27 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: It still resolves two both IPv4 addresses, but I'm just repeating myself here. |
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| 14:38.31 | babilen | jparkton: Which version of Debian do you use? Which card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) -- We typically recommend to install and configure the nvidia drivers as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" or "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" -- nvidia-xconfig et al are neither needed nor recommended. |
| 14:39.26 | petn-randall | s/two/to/ |
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| 14:40.27 | rndnick49_2 | petn-randall: you never confirmed the 140.211.166.26, traceroute prints 6 good hops the last one being 176.52.173.177 |
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| 14:41.45 | jparkton | babilen, Wheezy, when I run the lspci I get /home/jparkton# lspci -nn|grep -i vga |
| 14:41.45 | jparkton | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series] [1002:9712] |
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| 14:42.34 | jparkton | I tried the long command dpkg gave me but it said xorg already exists so should I delete it and rerun? |
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| 14:43.13 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: I confirmed that it resolves to two IPs, and babilien repeated that, too. I admit, I didn't explicitely mention them, but I simply assumed you know what I mean when I say "both IPs". |
| 14:43.36 | megha | can anyone tell me what this is about ? http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=amavisd-new/pkg-amavisd-milter.git;a=summary |
| 14:43.47 | babilen | jparkton: How did /you/ install and configure the drivers? |
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| 14:45.20 | petn-randall | megha: It's the git repo to the Debian source package amavisd-milter. |
| 14:45.26 | Miika-- | Hello, I installed MySQL server but how I can make it not to start? I want to start it manually when I need it. |
| 14:45.51 | megha | petn-randall: ok |
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| 14:46.30 | kaste | chkconfig mysql off Miika-- if you have it installed |
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| 14:46.48 | jparkton | babilen, I did install them but when I "configured" them it replaced a link in xorg.conf and when I rebooted it used the nvidia drivers but graphics would not boot I had to go into recovery and edit my xorg |
| 14:46.57 | rndnick49_2 | petn-randall: ok, sorry - wasn't clear to me |
| 14:47.01 | petn-randall | megha: If you have further questions that you can't resolve by searching, don't hesitate to ask. |
| 14:47.04 | jparkton | that was using the nvidia-configure thingy |
| 14:47.10 | rndnick49_2 | petn-randall: looks like my provider has some troubles |
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| 14:48.07 | megha | petn-randall: thanks :) |
| 14:48.27 | megha | petn-randall: you know i really was having hard time, because from anywhere i can't find what this is all about. |
| 14:48.37 | Miika-- | kaste: thanks |
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| 14:48.55 | petn-randall | rndnick49_2: No prob. That's just the reason why we don't debug every transient network problem anyone has. With 1000+ IRC users, it would be pretty busy here otherwise ... :) |
| 14:49.01 | somiaj | jparkton: modern xorg require a very small xorg.conf file for nvidia drivers. I would just suggest that |
| 14:49.07 | petn-randall | megha: How did you find it in the first place? |
| 14:49.20 | rndnick49_2 | petn-randall: hmm perhaps it isn't my provider, looks more like in spain |
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| 14:49.51 | kaste | Hey, I have a box, that didn't shut down properly (seems nfs related), i.e. it hung after the kill -9 . Now I had to turn it off and on reboot it gave me an fsck died with status 1 and apparently it tried to use the fsck.btrfs (even though the partition is ext2) |
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| 14:50.01 | megha | i was going through science based pkg and through it i found it. |
| 14:50.12 | somiaj | jparkton: http://paste.debian.net/248680/ -- unless you have special needs, that should be all you need in your xorg.conf file |
| 14:50.31 | kaste | I don't have an entry in the fstab to that effect and would really like to find out a) how to prevent that from reoccuring and be how to make sure it doesn't try the fsck with the wrong fs again |
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| 14:52.15 | jparkton | somiaj, and that should be my whole xorg? |
| 14:52.28 | nkuttler | abrotman: wiping the disk helped.. bizarre |
| 14:52.32 | somiaj | jparkton: correct (unless you have special needs or xorg cannot detect the rest of your setup) |
| 14:52.35 | babilen | jparkton: Edit your xorg? |
| 14:53.00 | somiaj | jparkton: I would of course back up any one you have, but in many cases that is all you will need |
| 14:53.17 | petn-randall | kaste: Looks like you convinced your system that this is a btrfs partition. fsck.btrfs will fail because such a tools simply doesn't exist. |
| 14:53.44 | babilen | jparkton: As mentioned earlier, we typically recommend to install /and/ configure nvidia driver with the procedure outlined in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" -- In particular that creates a very minimal configuration file for nvidia in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (20-nvidia.conf) that matches what somiaj just pasted. |
| 14:54.12 | kaste | petn-randall: if i did, then unknowingly and unwillingly. Were do I start to look? |
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| 14:54.35 | babilen | jparkton: Furthermore it uses the DKMS packages that will take care of recompilation whenever that is needed (e.g. kernel installations) |
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| 14:55.18 | jparkton | babilen, when using the method dpkg tells me to use I get this http://paste.debian.net/248683/ |
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| 14:56.28 | megha | petn-randall: is it possible that i can clone a pkg from there to my machine ? |
| 14:56.34 | somiaj | jparkton: the packages are already installed and the directory already exists. Seems you only need to create that xorg.conf (it is up to you if you use /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file |
| 14:57.19 | pmade | I can't seem to find any information about how to edit or add files in /etc/grub.d so that grub will decrypt the root partition with a key on a USB thumb drive. There are instructions for other distros but only for grub1. Any pointers? |
| 14:57.23 | somiaj | jparkton: the modern approach is to split up code snippits like this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf -- but in the end it is a managment issue more than a configuration issue if you choose to use that or just /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:57.40 | megha | it acts like a git repository and i can do whatever functions that are available with a GIT repo is that correct ? |
| 14:57.42 | kaste | http://paste.debian.net/248684/ fstab http://paste.debian.net/248685/ chkfs log |
| 14:58.22 | megha | petn-randall: yes i did :D :D :D |
| 14:58.29 | babilen | jparkton: I take it that you installed the nvidia driver before ... You cannot exactly install it twice ;) |
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| 14:59.13 | mtn | kaste: your /home is btrfs |
| 14:59.34 | kaste | yes but look at the device names |
| 14:59.59 | kaste | I can give you a blkid output to show that they match the uuids |
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| 15:00.09 | jparkton | babilen, what I have been trying to communicate is. I HAVE previously installed the NVIDIA drivers, I added the lines to my xorg.conf.d and rebooted as per instructions. It would NOT startx some issue with drivers.... I am now trying to correct that and do it correctly incase I messed up something. |
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| 15:01.06 | martin_- | if i do apt-get install git do i get automatical a public key? |
| 15:01.12 | kaste | http://paste.debian.net/248686/ blkid |
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| 15:01.28 | mtn | kaste: well I don't know for sure, but common sense seems to suggest /home is the issue. maybe set it to 0 0 and no more fscks. |
| 15:01.41 | t_dot_zilla | is it possible to upgrade to wheezy without the dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:01.45 | t_dot_zilla | i dont want to update my kernel |
| 15:01.48 | kaste | true, that makes sense. mtn thanks |
| 15:02.06 | mtn | kaste: hope it works |
| 15:02.28 | kaste | crosses fingers |
| 15:02.30 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: a dist-upgrade is an upgrade to a newer release, so the first part doesn't make any sense. |
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| 15:02.52 | t_dot_zilla | i want to go from squeeze to wheezy without updating the kernel |
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| 15:02.56 | t_dot_zilla | is that possible? |
| 15:02.57 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: Sure you can use an older, or your own kernel, but we don't recommend it and probably won't support it. |
| 15:03.13 | t_dot_zilla | i NEED to leave this kernel |
| 15:03.17 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: What's the reason for using an obsolete kernel? |
| 15:03.19 | jparkton | so now my xorg.conf.d looks like this http://paste.debian.net/248687/ this is all autocreated up until now. Should I edit that and add the one thing I should have? |
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| 15:03.34 | t_dot_zilla | i'm running the dockstar which has a custom built kernel |
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| 15:04.17 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: What's a dockstar? |
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| 15:04.24 | babilen | t_dot_zilla: No, that is not possible |
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| 15:04.32 | t_dot_zilla | http://projects.doozan.com/debian/ |
| 15:04.35 | babilen | t_dot_zilla: And that also doesn't sound like Debian :) |
| 15:04.52 | babilen | petn-randall: I guess some SAN solution that uses software based on Debian |
| 15:05.29 | t_dot_zilla | well i just switched the repos to wheezy and doing update/upgrade |
| 15:05.35 | t_dot_zilla | see what happens if i dont do the dist-upgrade |
| 15:06.03 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: You don't understand what "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" does, do you? |
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| 15:06.23 | t_dot_zilla | one upgrades packages, the other the kernel? |
| 15:06.31 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: As always, make backups first. |
| 15:06.44 | t_dot_zilla | meh i dont care if this thing blows up... just rebuild it |
| 15:06.46 | petn-randall | t_dot_zilla: Nope. Read the man page please before trying it. |
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| 15:06.54 | t_dot_zilla | already doing it :) |
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| 15:08.31 | jparkton | well I guess just reboot and hope |
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| 15:10.33 | t_dot_zilla | ha |
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| 15:12.46 | btaranto | hi. which source list do i have to use on my debian etch? |
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| 15:12.53 | btaranto | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib dont work anymore |
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| 15:13.36 | Zeeflo | by default MC is using vim.. does anyone know how I can change MC's default editor to nano ? |
| 15:13.41 | jpw | btaranto: deb http://archive.debian.org/ etch main |
| 15:14.23 | btaranto | jpw tks... |
| 15:14.26 | kaste | btaranto: that's because etch is isn't supported anymore, really think about updating to squeeze please |
| 15:14.30 | jpw | btaranto: although you should consider upgrading etch is very old. |
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| 15:15.42 | btaranto | jpw i know... |
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| 15:17.22 | kaste | you realize that those security repos are not maintained anymore and that any number of known bugs may exist that aren't fixed. you might as well delete that line |
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| 15:22.27 | lancelot_of | hi |
| 15:23.23 | Zeeflo | do I need to do something after I have edited hosts.deny and hosts.allow ? |
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| 15:23.37 | lancelot_of | why /sys/class/hwmon always shitfs fan1_input between hwmon0/1/2 so that i cannot recognize fan rmps in conky in a stable way? |
| 15:23.55 | lancelot_of | is there any other file to cat into conky for fan control? |
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| 15:24.42 | jpw | Zeeflo: you shouldn't have to do anything it should take effect immiadetly |
| 15:24.50 | Zeeflo | ok thanks |
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| 15:25.34 | jpw | Zeeflo: check `man hosts.deny` to make sure you've got the syntax correct |
| 15:25.51 | Zeeflo | in host.deny ive set: sshd: all |
| 15:26.02 | Zeeflo | and in hosts.allow ive set: sshd: my.ip. |
| 15:26.09 | Zeeflo | that should be the correct syntax |
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| 15:28.36 | Zeeflo | can I make a line under it that also says sshd: another ip |
| 15:28.39 | Zeeflo | ? |
| 15:28.49 | Zeeflo | or do I seperate with , or space? |
| 15:29.07 | Morg0th | is it possible to install a package i just deleted without internet connection? (and no cd/usb ports) |
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| 15:29.49 | Morg0th | i just deleted grub to reinstall it and noticed that i don't have any internet access, i can just reboot but i won't be able to without grub :s :s |
| 15:29.57 | jpw | Zeeflo: you can do them on the same line, ssh: ip1 ip2 |
| 15:30.04 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 15:30.35 | mtn | Morg0th: maybe look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 15:30.44 | jpw | Morg0th: check /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:30.44 | Morg0th | mtn: it's not there :( |
| 15:30.55 | mtn | Morg0th: bummer |
| 15:31.01 | Morg0th | i'm screwed |
| 15:31.24 | mtn | Morg0th: download on different machine and move over? |
| 15:31.48 | jpw | Morg0th: yeah pretty much. why did you remove grub?! |
| 15:31.58 | Morg0th | mtn: hmm yea i might be able to do it by usb |
| 15:32.07 | Morg0th | jpw: to switch from grub2 to grub legacy |
| 15:32.12 | tuxick | and why removed archive as well? |
| 15:32.16 | Morg0th | except that i should have checked my network first |
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| 15:32.46 | Morg0th | ok thanks anyway, at least i know now :p |
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| 15:39.41 | Scall | Hello, does somebody know if the freezes that occured with a Ivy Bridge processor and a Intel HD Graphics 4000 with the 3.2 kernel have been fixed in Debian Wheezy? I already know that with more recent kernel version the problem was fixed. Thanks in advance. |
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| 15:42.03 | pskosinski | Hm… Well, I have freezes with Sandy Bridge and HD Graphics 3000, with kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64, no idea how with Ivy Bridge. |
| 15:42.19 | acu_ | I need a command to transfer a directory from my computer to a remote computer |
| 15:43.38 | pskosinski | acu_: If you can run SSH server on destination computer then you can use scp. |
| 15:43.45 | Scall | Damn...! I didn't think there was problems with Sandy Bridge too. Anyway thanks for the answer. |
| 15:43.45 | pbase | scp |
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| 15:44.30 | Scall | I hope that these freezes will be fixed |
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| 15:46.24 | Scall | although one can solve with a more recent kernel |
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| 15:48.52 | awc737 | anyone run ruby on debian |
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| 15:49.35 | jpw | awc737: yes ruby can run on debian |
| 15:49.41 | awc737 | I have this error: You don't have write permissions into the /var/lib/gems/1.9.1 directory |
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| 15:49.59 | jpw | awc737: run the command again as root |
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| 15:51.19 | awc737 | still having trouble with sudo gem install rb-inotify |
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| 15:55.04 | jpw | awc737: please ask ruby specific questions in #ruby-lang or ##debian-ruby |
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| 15:55.13 | megha | is their any guide about building debian pkg using git ? i found lot of them that are not from debian documentation. |
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| 15:56.38 | awc737 | jpw, is that alright if I ask in #debian-ruby? |
| 15:57.27 | awc737 | I am allowed to ask all the people in #debian-ruby? I don't want to bother them |
| 15:57.34 | jpw | awc737: yes as long as you are using the official debian package I assume. The channel is unofficial so I can't guarantee it's usefulness. You may have better luck in #ruby-lang |
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| 15:58.04 | acu_ | pskosinski, I used the command scp -r , but when I type password for remote user, I get /home/user/.bashrc: line 1: ..... No such file or directory |
| 15:58.33 | awc737 | have you been inside ##debian-ruby lately jpw? |
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| 15:58.51 | jpw | lol no |
| 15:59.00 | jpw | i queried alis for that name |
| 15:59.08 | jpw | ignore that then. |
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| 15:59.48 | pskosinski | acu_: Well, but files should be copied anyway, aren't they? |
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| 16:01.15 | acu_ | pskosinski, no they did not |
| 16:01.30 | Zeeflo | how do I ping a server to death? |
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| 16:01.41 | Zeeflo | and how do I make the target server reject it? |
| 16:01.47 | Zeeflo | or.. drop the packets.. |
| 16:02.03 | Zeeflo | does anyone know? |
| 16:02.28 | jpw | Zeeflo: ping of death was fixed almost 15 years ago. |
| 16:02.47 | Zeeflo | oh.. How do I protect my server from a ddos then? |
| 16:03.09 | jpw | Zeeflo: you don't your network protects your server from ddos. |
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| 16:03.26 | Zeeflo | so, the datacenter protects the servers? |
| 16:03.39 | Zeeflo | their firewalls etc? |
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| 16:05.00 | jpw | Zeeflo: not necessarily this is offtopic. join me in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:05.09 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 16:07.01 | mynameisbruce | anybody know how to free up incactive memory in linux kernel? |
| 16:07.15 | mynameisbruce | proc/meminfo shows up at least 9GB of inactive memory |
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| 16:10.18 | jelly | mynameisbruce: there's usually no need to. |
| 16:10.42 | mynameisbruce | why not? |
| 16:10.52 | mynameisbruce | its a server system with 2y uptime |
| 16:11.18 | mynameisbruce | and now my memory is slowly fading :-P |
| 16:11.19 | jelly | mynameisbruce: what's the real problem? |
| 16:11.53 | mynameisbruce | its an mysql server .... i loose at least 9GB for memory pool....cause debian cant free up this "inactive memory" |
| 16:12.45 | pskosinski | acu_: Can you past command you are using? To be honest I don't know how you can get error like this. Looks like there is something wrong in your .bashrc on destination pc but it shouldn't crash scp, as far as I know… |
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| 16:14.10 | jelly | mynameisbruce: you do realize this "inactive memory" is actually allocated by one or more processes? Kill and restart those services, it goes away. |
| 16:14.34 | pskosinski | acu_: Maybe you just specified wrong path, most likely… |
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| 16:16.15 | mynameisbruce | tryed to find processes that holds some old logfiles with lsof....but no luck |
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| 16:20.19 | hub2 | Hi,Could you send me a good tutorial about Postfix ? |
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| 16:21.58 | zro | why am I getting errors when I "$ apt-get install fam" ? eg. insserv: Service portmap has to be enabled to start service fam |
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| 16:23.00 | tx0h | hi, my dns is a victim of a ddos attack (well, it's just a reflector without recursion). do we have the newest bind9? with the ratelimit patch? what are good settings for window, errors-per-second and responses-per-second? |
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| 16:23.27 | pskosinski | awc737: You can also try to ask on #ruby, not #ruby-lang, on #ruby there are more people. Plus I don't have any problems with installing rb-inotify in Wheezy, it is returning quite a lot of messages but installing successfully. |
| 16:24.12 | awc737 | thanks pskosinski |
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| 16:25.03 | jpw | hub2: ISBN: 1-59327-001-1 Or a later version. Awesome book |
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| 16:29.07 | tx0h | sighs |
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| 16:33.09 | hub2 | jpw: Thanks, I'll try to get it. |
| 16:33.23 | BadCodSmell | If linux is so good and customisable/configurable, why is is impossible to stop the screen from blanking out after several hours of inactivity? |
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| 16:34.24 | bazhang | thats in powersaving/screensaver settings |
| 16:34.41 | bazhang | just set it to never, if you wish |
| 16:34.42 | zykotick9 | BadCodSmell: it's NOT impossible, i've wrestled with that issue before - and eventually have always triumphed |
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| 16:35.19 | BadCodSmell | But did you ever find out how? |
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| 16:36.32 | zykotick9 | BadCodSmell: 1st, be sure screensaver/power setting in your DE are all disabled. 2nd, if 1 fails, look into disabled dpms for xorg in a more manual way. |
| 16:36.44 | BadCodSmell | I mean, you configured gnome screen savers to off, echoedthe thing into tty, put the xset stuff, put the setterm stuff, messed with apm/removed it/couldn't find it there, messed with xorg.conf, punched your mother in the face, set BLANK_TIME in xkbd, sacrificed a small animal... |
| 16:37.00 | BadCodSmell | How can you know which one of those did it at all if any? |
| 16:37.03 | hub2 | jpw: Isn't this book a little old? |
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| 16:38.56 | jpw | hub2: there will be a newer version. but this book has given me the foundation for everything I know. It taught me about the various daemons, the flow of messages through postfix and manipulating the whole thing to bend to your every wish. |
| 16:38.58 | tx0h | check the xset man page |
| 16:39.28 | BadCodSmell | zykotick9: gnome-screensaver is uninstalled, i think I am using bluebox, Option "BlankTime/StandbyTime/SuspendTime/OffTime" "0" |
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| 16:40.10 | BadCodSmell | setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -powerdown 0;xset -dpms;xset s noblank;xset s off in xinitrc |
| 16:40.25 | tx0h | xset s noblank |
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| 16:40.53 | zykotick9 | BadCodSmell: are you using startx, or a DM? .xinitrc is usually only used by startx. |
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| 16:41.04 | BadCodSmell | gdm3 |
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| 16:41.24 | zykotick9 | BadCodSmell: i doubt gdm3 even looks at .xinitrc (i could be wrong) |
| 16:41.37 | BadCodSmell | I suspected this could be the case |
| 16:41.47 | BadCodSmell | So how would I stop it from blanking with gdm3? |
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| 16:44.34 | somiaj | BadCodSmell: write a custom .xsession, another option is what DE/WM do you use? |
| 16:45.34 | BadCodSmell | gdm3 -> openbox |
| 16:45.38 | BadCodSmell | ob has an autostart |
| 16:45.41 | BadCodSmell | im trying that |
| 16:45.51 | somiaj | gdm3 does look at $HOME/.xsession (if you use the 'default' session, but if you use the openbox session you may have to modify that session |
| 16:45.52 | BadCodSmell | it wont be until tomorrow that ill know if it works or not |
| 16:46.14 | somiaj | the other option (one I would suggest) is use openbox's startup/init scripts (you can customize those) to stop it |
| 16:46.22 | somiaj | I also think you can turn all that off in a good xorg.conf file as well |
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| 16:46.58 | BadCodSmell | erm also someone put this in autostart it turns out.... xscreensaver &;xscreensaver-command -restart |
| 16:47.37 | hub2 | jpw: Thank you. |
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| 16:48.45 | martin_- | hi installed glassfish-activate with synaptic but I only get a /usr/share/java/glassfish-activation.jar file |
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| 16:49.02 | martin_- | i dont know what to do wit it to get this glassfish installed |
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| 16:51.31 | BadCodSmell | ok maybe this isn't debian's fault |
| 16:51.50 | BadCodSmell | just found some custom setup of xscreensaver set to blank out every 12 hours |
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| 16:53.45 | ChrisH | martin_-: I use Galssfish from oracle/sun download pages. The ones bundled in Debian look like beeing a Glassfish V2, you do not want to use that :) And I did also not get the Debian GF to work. |
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| 16:58.05 | martin_- | thanks ChrisH |
| 16:58.19 | martin_- | I'm using now also the sh installer from glassfish |
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| 16:59.19 | kaste | Is there a way to renew the nfs mounts after I made changes to /etc/exports that doesn't turn the exported non-changed filesystems stale? |
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| 17:00.56 | ChrisH | kaste: ? the mount only gets stale, if you did an unexport or the filehandle is no longer valid. What did you do and what happened? NFS is designed to be reboot save on client and server side. |
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| 17:02.30 | kaste | /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart after I added a new export |
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| 17:02.51 | martin_- | ChrisH, do you also use glassfish with netbeans? |
| 17:03.08 | kaste | all clients running their roots off of that nfs server turned inactive because their / became stale :( |
| 17:03.20 | sparadokos | The kernel issue I was having is due to a bad usb port on my laptop. Finally was able to have it repeat the lockup/crashes several times. Also with a usb stick.. I "tail -f /var/log/messages" and it showed random errors that didn't catch my eye when I looked directly in the log files. |
| 17:04.08 | sparadokos | Wanted to say thanks for helping and giving me a direction on what/how to test things. |
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| 17:05.00 | martin_- | okay installation works fine also the domainservice1 was installed but netbeans cant locate in /usr/local/glassfish3/glassfish/domains/domain1 a domain and says admin-listner disabled or en[]. ChrisH |
| 17:05.30 | ChrisH | kaste: kaste clients show stale nfs file handle? Maybe you need to export using fsid option. Linux does strange stuff there. man export search for fsid |
| 17:06.00 | SYN4PS3 | needing a SOCKS client in linux, how to have something like proxifier? |
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| 17:06.26 | zykotick9 | kaste: i'm not sure if this will help at all but rather then restarting nfs service, you should check out if using exportfs can do what you want (and not what you don't want ;) good luck. |
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| 17:06.55 | kaste | I tried that as well zykotick9, same sad result |
| 17:07.04 | ChrisH | kaste: are youy sure your exports is correct? So undoing the change is expected to fix it. But the default implementation of Linux NFS Server is not / or was not really reboot safe. |
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| 17:08.12 | ChrisH | martin_-: Honestly I do not know what our developers put into their applications. I use asadmin deploy/undeploy/list-applications mainly |
| 17:08.21 | kaste | I am not entirely sure ChrisH but I am already working on the fsids because in the longer run I want it to export aufs with it which needs that anyway |
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| 17:09.43 | ChrisH | kaste: if possible please show the output from client showmount -e $SERVER or from server itself: showmount -e SERVER on paste.debian.net If you reboot a client does it get its nfs-root again? |
| 17:09.53 | martin_- | Thanks ChrisH |
| 17:09.54 | kaste | yes it does |
| 17:10.05 | kaste | I'll try to recreate the situation |
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| 17:10.18 | ChrisH | kaste: Please put the chrisH at the beginning if a line then irc client pick it up and highlight that. |
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| 17:13.55 | hub2 | How can I uninstall sendmail? |
| 17:14.13 | ChrisH | hub2: man apt-get search to remove |
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| 17:23.06 | hub2 | So I don't need to do any tricks? Just apt-get purge sendmail? |
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| 17:27.20 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: anyway, if remote syslog works, it means your network works; if your network works, why not just ssh into the problematic machine when this happens |
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| 17:28.20 | ChrisH | hub2: I to apt-get remove --purge sendmail but this can remove other stuff needing a mailer, too. read carefull before answering yes |
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| 17:31.32 | jelly-home | hub2: first, install a different MTA if you need one. Second, purge the remaining sendmail\* packages |
| 17:32.10 | jelly-home | there used to be leftovers like sendmail-base and some other stuff |
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| 17:33.48 | martin_- | have i to add my username into /etc/sudoers so that i can use sudo as user martin? |
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| 17:35.46 | truexfan81 | martin_-: what? |
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| 17:39.40 | LZ2ILR | how can i find where my audio deviceis or what do i tell an app when it asks. tried oss dsp default sunxi..... |
| 17:39.58 | ChibaPet | Hm, if debdeb comes back, I finally remembered the name of the program I wanted to mention to him - tripwire. Is there a message delivery function in dpkg? |
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| 17:42.42 | local | hello all. I wanted to copy my whole /data directory to an external USB drive. This /data directory contains the backup pool of "backuppc" (=backup application). I realized that the copy process aborted because there was no free file size on external USB. But it should be, because the external drive has greater capacity. |
| 17:42.57 | local | Why did that happen? Maybe because of backuppc's hardlinking feauture ? |
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| 17:43.49 | local | if so, what is the best way to copy the whole content of my /data directory to my external drive, so all files are valid afterwards on the external drive? I did use "rsync -hav /data /mnt" |
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| 17:44.37 | Sevet | local: rsync/cp are a good way. just make sure mysqld is not running at the time. |
| 17:44.56 | Sevet | if mysqld is running the files may change while you're copying them though |
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| 17:45.32 | digdilem | Sevet, backuppc doesn't use sql? |
| 17:45.49 | Sevet | local: you could also look at mysqldump or xtrabackup if you can't stop mysqld |
| 17:45.59 | dondelelcaro | local: you'll have to use -H if you want to preserve hardlinks |
| 17:46.09 | Sevet | eh... wrong channel? :) |
| 17:46.28 | Sevet | local: ignore - was thinking this was the #mysql window ;) |
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| 17:47.11 | digdilem | local, pondering the wisdom of copying backuppc pool to an external drive, presumably you have your reasons. maybe that drive has a larger cluster size and there are many smaller files? |
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| 17:48.46 | BabThooka | I am having problems upgrading the package sgml-base on wheeze. Anyone else having problems with it? |
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| 17:50.44 | sparadokos | following wheezy repo or testing.. is there a big differeance when they are not locked? if I change from wheezy in my sources.list to testing. That puts me to running sid? |
| 17:51.23 | ChibaPet | sparadokos: Wheezy *is* testing now. |
| 17:51.31 | BabThooka | Isn't wheezy testing? |
| 17:51.40 | BabThooka | Sid is called unstable? |
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| 17:51.57 | ChibaPet | sparadokos: sid is sid, and testing won't be sid ever - for a very brief period of time it will look like sid after Wheezy is released, but then sid will surge ahead. |
| 17:52.08 | ChibaPet | !releases |
| 17:52.09 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
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| 17:53.42 | BabThooka | Does anyone know how to remedy the following error, which appears while upgrading: Preparing to replace sgml-base 1.26+nmu3 (using sgml-base_1.26+nmu4_all.deb) ... |
| 17:53.43 | BabThooka | dpkg: error processing sgml-base_1.26+nmu4_all.deb (--install): |
| 17:53.43 | dpkg | babthooka: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:53.44 | BabThooka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.53 | BabThooka | ups |
| 17:54.03 | BabThooka | forgot about paste bin, my apologies |
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| 17:55.13 | BabThooka | Did my error message come through? |
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| 17:55.42 | ChibaPet | BabThooka: You'll want to paste the link to it into the channel. |
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| 17:57.27 | BabThooka | Like this? paste.debian.net/248721 |
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| 17:58.12 | ChibaPet | I'd tend to include the http://, but yes. |
| 17:58.14 | sparadokos | ChibaPet: sorry maybe I didn't make my question exactly clear. If I wanted to stay with stable +1 at all times but not use Sid. Would using testing in my sources.list do that? |
| 17:58.27 | ChibaPet | sparadokos: Yes. |
| 17:58.35 | sparadokos | ChibaPet: thank you! |
| 17:58.55 | ChibaPet | BabThooka: Can you also use the pastebin for your /etc/apt/sources.list file please? |
| 17:58.55 | BabThooka | Wouldn't he have to do a "apt-get fist-upgrade" at some point? |
| 17:59.11 | ChibaPet | apt-get fist-pumping-like-a-champion |
| 17:59.16 | BabThooka | sure… thanks |
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| 18:00.09 | ChibaPet | BabThooka: Ah, just noticed that you're installing something directly from a .deb. |
| 18:00.38 | ChibaPet | BabThooka: I'd strongly advise letting aptitude or apt-get do that for you. |
| 18:00.47 | BabThooka | es, I tried apt-get update, and it failed. I then downloaded the package and tried to install it manually, but same error ensues |
| 18:01.08 | ChibaPet | apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:01.34 | ChibaPet | possibly apt-get remove sgml_base first, and add it afterwards |
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| 18:02.07 | BabThooka | If I try apt-get remove that package, it will also want to remove all of gnome with it :s |
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| 18:02.38 | ChibaPet | does apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade break as well? |
| 18:02.55 | ChibaPet | and please post your sources.list to the pastebin |
| 18:03.07 | BabThooka | I don't fist-upgrade, since I am happy with wheezie |
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| 18:03.25 | ChibaPet | dist-upgrade doesn't change your distribution |
| 18:03.29 | BabThooka | but apt-get upgrade gives that error when it tries to upgrade that package |
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| 18:03.50 | BabThooka | oh true... |
| 18:04.01 | ChibaPet | man apt-get and look for dist-upgrade, post your sources.list, and we can proceed |
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| 18:04.27 | BabThooka | but I've only used it when upgrading distro. Will do. Thanks a lot :) |
| 18:04.49 | ChibaPet | FWIW, I use dist-upgrade (or lately aptitude full-upgrade) for my regular updates. |
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| 18:06.28 | BabThooka | I will look into those options. My sources are here: http://paste.debian.net/248722 |
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| 18:07.14 | ChibaPet | Note that sometimes deb-multimedia can lead to conflicts. It's not official Debian. |
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| 18:07.43 | ChibaPet | You might end up wanting to cherry-pick packages from them rather than including them in their entirety. |
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| 18:08.06 | BabThooka | That's fiddly, no? |
| 18:08.32 | ChibaPet | No moreso than package conflicts. :P |
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| 18:08.46 | BabThooka | I suppose :D |
| 18:09.13 | ChibaPet | I think all I use from them is libdvdcss, and frankly I just build that from source. |
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| 18:09.36 | ChibaPet | (I build it from source and have to stow it into /usr/lib rather than /usr/local/lib, but that's a detail.) |
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| 18:10.33 | BabThooka | Earlier you needed several multimedia.org packages to support AAC audio and H264 and that sort of thing, at least to encode video… I need those.. |
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| 18:11.44 | ChibaPet | okay - so, with that in mind, what I'd probably do is remove that from sources.list after noting what packages you use from them, drop those packages, update and dist-upgrade, and then add them back in after you've resolved any conflict |
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| 18:12.33 | tensorpudding | troubleshooting system problems is the worst |
| 18:12.49 | BabThooka | can I have apt to list all installed packages from just one repo? |
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| 18:13.24 | ChibaPet | BabThooka: Probably, but if you remove it from sources.list and update, aptitude (for instance) will show them all as "obsolete/locally installed", which makes isolating them pretty easy. |
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| 18:14.03 | tensorpudding | what could cause the computer to completely lock up, other than hardware issues? |
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| 18:14.10 | ChibaPet | I'm not sure with apt-get - I've been using aptitude long enough now that I've come to depend on it. I've probably completely forgotten about dselect at this point, which I used to use religiously. |
| 18:14.23 | ChibaPet | tensorpudding: Hardware issues or kernel bugs. |
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| 18:46.06 | FMKilo | anyone alive? |
| 18:46.36 | BabThooka | all dead |
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| 18:46.41 | FMKilo | figured |
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| 18:46.58 | BabThooka | sing a slam for us, kind soul |
| 18:47.06 | BabThooka | salm* :s |
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| 18:47.40 | FMKilo | art thou any good with java/troubleshooting ? |
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| 18:51.05 | xgl | hi all ! |
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| 18:53.33 | kev__ | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 18:53.48 | asturel | hi, i would like to know the cpu temp, but acpi -t shows nothing, and i cant find lmsensors in apt |
| 18:53.48 | uberotter | if I want a second user on my machine that has the same rights/privileges as the first "main" user (able to sudo, etc), do I need to do anything more than add that user to the same groups as the "main" user? |
| 18:54.25 | asturel | [12401010.421010] CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 6662638) appeared in my kmsg |
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| 18:57.03 | asturel | fuck, it was lm-sensors.. |
| 18:57.22 | martin_- | is there no removeuser command ? |
| 18:57.43 | uberotter | it's deluser martin_- |
| 18:57.55 | martin_- | thanks |
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| 19:03.20 | martin_- | I want to start Netbeans with root rights because i need the glassfish server. I added martin ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL to /etc/sudoers when executing sudo netbeans and I create a new project it leads me always in the folder /root/ so it seems that netbeans wasn started with the user martin with admin rights.... |
| 19:03.30 | martin_- | whats wrong? |
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| 19:04.49 | fabiobik | hello. im trying to use resync without passowrd to backup an vps |
| 19:05.02 | fabiobik | ive created a .pub file from the remote server |
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| 19:05.11 | fabiobik | and added to authorized_hosts |
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| 19:06.00 | anew | * /30 * * * * perl /home/pi/Documents/shared/reviews/reviews.pl |
| 19:06.00 | anew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.07 | fabiobik | hello. im trying to use resync without passowrd to backup an vps. So ive created a .pub file from the remote server and copied to the destiny |
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| 19:06.34 | fabiobik | The authenticity of host 'e-alojamento.com (80.241.218.79)' can't be established. |
| 19:06.38 | dondelelcaro | anew: you probably want * */30 * * * or similar |
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| 19:06.46 | anew | i want every 30 minutes |
| 19:07.05 | dondelelcaro | anew: so */30 * * * * then. You have an extra space. |
| 19:07.29 | anew | yep |
| 19:07.30 | anew | bingo |
| 19:07.32 | anew | thankd donde |
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| 19:13.07 | stercor | I wish to chown files from root (as root) to my user:group. chown won't let me. The message: "Operation not permitted." |
| 19:13.40 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | what are you trying to chown |
| 19:14.00 | stercor | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: files and directories. |
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| 19:15.14 | stercor | I tried directories, got a whole lot of messages. Then 1 file, same message. root owns the files. Or should I say pwns. |
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| 19:16.17 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | well I think there are certain filesystems or things in /proc you might not be able to chown but that's about it as far as I know |
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| 19:17.30 | ompaul | stercor: eh you could break anything outside your own personal space |
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| 19:17.40 | ompaul | stercor: up to and including your machine |
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| 19:18.03 | ompaul | stercor: and when we break our computers the great thing is we get to keep all the bits ;-) |
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| 19:18.29 | ompaul | stercor: so with a little more info about these directories what are they and so on |
| 19:19.21 | stercor | ompaul: ls -lh: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.5M 2013-03-31 12:35 A Student's Guide to Einstein's Major Papers Mantesh.pdf |
| 19:19.29 | ompaul | stercor: I can assure you that spending 5 hours on irc reassembling a set of permissions on a mail server due to someone making a mistake about 14 years ago makes me shudder still |
| 19:19.35 | ompaul | stercor: where is it |
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| 19:19.46 | ompaul | stercor: i.e. is it in your home directory |
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| 19:20.36 | ompaul | oh back then the mail server did way more than serve mail |
| 19:20.45 | stercor | ...mounted on a USB drive (that may be an AHA!) that I'm backing up files to, |
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| 19:20.59 | ompaul | stercor: if root copied it then root owns it |
| 19:21.38 | stercor | ompaul: But shouldn't root be able to change its own perms? |
| 19:21.40 | ompaul | stercor: how many machines are you planning to use that stick on |
| 19:21.52 | ompaul | stercor: it can but it could be ntfs |
| 19:22.12 | ompaul | stercor: what was the command you ran |
| 19:22.41 | stercor | ompaul: ext4 |
| 19:22.58 | stercor | chown ted:ted A\ Student\'s\ Guide\ to\ Einstein\'s\ Major\ Papers\ 2012\ -Mantesh/A\ Student\'s\ Guide\ to\ Einstein\'s\ Major\ Papers\ Mantesh.pdf |
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| 19:23.42 | Miesco_ | Can you get the java sdk doc from the command line? |
| 19:23.46 | Miesco_ | use* |
| 19:24.00 | ompaul | stercor: chown -R ted:ted A\ Student\'s\ Guide\ to\ Einstein\'s\ Major\ Papers\ 2012\ -Mantesh/ |
| 19:24.33 | ompaul | Miesco_: don't use java but try apt-cache search doc | grep java | less |
| 19:26.01 | stercor | ompaul: been there, done that. But I'll do it again. |
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| 19:26.50 | dizzylizzy | hooray! down to 43 RC bugs for wheezy! |
| 19:27.15 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | :> |
| 19:27.16 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: (from #d-o) you're looking for a more current kernel? Try backports or experimental. |
| 19:27.39 | stercor | hown: changing ownership of `A Student\'s Guide to Einstein\'s Major Papers 2012 -Mantesh/': Operation not permitted |
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| 19:27.46 | tensorpudding | is backports still around in wheezy? |
| 19:28.08 | ompaul | petn-randall: you robbed my comment ;-) |
| 19:28.17 | ompaul | hides in front of petn-randall |
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| 19:28.29 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: Still? Not yet. If you're on wheezy, try experimental. |
| 19:28.31 | ompaul | stercor: you are root? |
| 19:28.41 | stercor | ompaul: yes. |
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| 19:29.10 | petn-randall | stercor: Is it a read-only filesystem? |
| 19:29.14 | ompaul | stercor: stick shafted - ro or something - do a mount and paste it in http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:29.23 | ompaul | petn-randall: heh |
| 19:29.33 | petn-randall | ompaul: zing! Faster again! |
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| 19:30.03 | ompaul | true |
| 19:30.08 | tensorpudding | man, a buggy version of the kernel will not help me troubleshoot |
| 19:30.28 | ompaul | oh but it will depends on what you want to troubleshoot |
| 19:30.30 | ompaul | tensorpudding: ^^ |
| 19:30.47 | tensorpudding | i want to figure out if the kernel is causing my complete-and-utter system locks |
| 19:31.16 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: 3.8 from experimental is not buggy. It's a stable release from upstream. |
| 19:31.17 | ompaul | tensorpudding: ssh in remotely first |
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| 19:31.37 | tensorpudding | it does not respond to ssh |
| 19:31.51 | tensorpudding | background processes stop sending information |
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| 19:31.57 | tensorpudding | it does not respond to ping |
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| 19:31.58 | stercor | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3567823 2013-03-31 12:35 A Student's Guide to Einstein's Major Papers Mantesh.pdf |
| 19:32.02 | stercor | chown ted:ted A\ Student\'s\ Guide\ to\ Einstein\'s\ Major\ Papers\ Mantesh.pdf |
| 19:32.02 | ompaul | tensorpudding: and your system log |
| 19:32.03 | stercor | chown: changing ownership of `A Student\'s Guide to Einstein\'s Major Papers Mantesh.pdf': Operation not permitted |
| 19:32.10 | tensorpudding | i set up remote syslogging |
| 19:32.16 | ompaul | stercor: I asked for something |
| 19:32.20 | ompaul | stercor: stick shafted - ro or something - do a mount and paste it in http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:32.27 | tensorpudding | it sends no warning via the logs |
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| 19:33.09 | ompaul | tensorpudding: let's see event happens box stops ... but no local logs capture it so remote stands exactly how much chance ... before you did the remote stuff did you check it locally? |
| 19:33.16 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: It's a remote machine? Do you have KVM access or something? |
| 19:33.23 | tensorpudding | what? |
| 19:33.27 | ompaul | tensorpudding: let's see event happens box stops ... but no local logs capture it so remote stands exactly how much chance ... before you did the remote stuff did you check it locally? |
| 19:33.30 | stercor | ompaul: Oopsie...it's mounted vfat. |
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| 19:33.42 | stercor | That may explain it. |
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| 19:33.53 | ompaul | beats up a random passerby after spray painting stercor on them ;-) |
| 19:33.57 | tensorpudding | "before you did remote stuff did you check locally" |
| 19:34.00 | tensorpudding | i don't know what you mean |
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| 19:34.13 | tensorpudding | yes, i have physical access to the system that is crashing, i'm using it right now |
| 19:34.14 | ompaul | tensorpudding: before you set up remote logging did you check local logs |
| 19:34.21 | linlin | what is the command on debian to easily copy my ssh key to a remote machine ? |
| 19:34.29 | stercor | So, when I move the files to my shiny, new 2Tb, ext4 drive, it may work, no? |
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| 19:34.36 | tensorpudding | yes, i checked the local logs and the remote ones, in kern.log, messages, syslog, all the ones that would be relevant |
| 19:34.37 | petn-randall | linlin: You're probably looking for ssh-copy-id. |
| 19:34.55 | linlin | thats it, thanks, can never remember |
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| 19:35.07 | petn-randall | stercor: If you use ext4 this time, yes. ;) |
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| 19:35.45 | ompaul | tensorpudding: get an ssh session going and keep it active you might be able to look in while things are falling apart |
| 19:35.52 | stercor | So obvious. |
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| 19:36.18 | ompaul | stercor: when you look |
| 19:36.20 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 19:36.28 | ompaul | hides in plain sight |
| 19:36.34 | stercor | The USB drive has to be vfat; I use it to install new releases. |
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| 19:36.46 | tensorpudding | will installing linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 from experimental in debian install properly... |
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| 19:37.20 | stercor | ompaul and others: thanks for the new set of eyes! |
| 19:37.40 | ompaul | stercor: :) |
| 19:37.44 | ompaul | !next |
| 19:37.44 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 19:37.48 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: I think you have to take initramfs-tools from experimental, too. |
| 19:38.07 | petn-randall | points at ompaul. |
| 19:38.10 | petn-randall | He's there! |
| 19:38.17 | ompaul | he |
| 19:38.19 | ompaul | h |
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| 19:41.52 | tensorpudding | petn-randall: i just noticed...that could break things, right? |
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| 19:42.40 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: Could. As with all things experimental, it should go with an obligatory warning. |
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| 19:42.51 | petn-randall | !experimental |
| 19:42.51 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 19:42.53 | tensorpudding | i just want an alternative kernel to test... |
| 19:42.54 | ompaul | there you go, never let it be said |
| 19:43.02 | ompaul | tensorpudding: go back on |
| 19:43.04 | ompaul | one |
| 19:43.08 | tensorpudding | go back? |
| 19:43.14 | tensorpudding | from 3.2? |
| 19:43.16 | ompaul | if you have more than one on your machine |
| 19:43.20 | tensorpudding | no, it's a new install |
| 19:43.34 | ompaul | tensorpudding: I'd strongly suggest that the issue is not 3.2 |
| 19:43.37 | ompaul | but the hardware |
| 19:43.49 | ompaul | has been running 3 kernels for ages |
| 19:43.52 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: You can always build you own kernel with make-kpkg. |
| 19:44.03 | petn-randall | ompaul: At the same time?? |
| 19:44.05 | petn-randall | :D |
| 19:44.15 | ompaul | petn-randall: you funny, really funny |
| 19:44.23 | tensorpudding | i think it's the hardware too, except 1) i have verified the ram and hdd are fine 2) this problem doesn't occur in windows |
| 19:45.04 | ompaul | tensorpudding: lsmod and lshw output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:45.07 | petn-randall | tensorpudding: What system is this? Desktop/laptop/server? brand? |
| 19:45.19 | tensorpudding | dell 1750 laptop |
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| 19:47.41 | petn-randall | ompaul: I had a clown for breakfast. |
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| 19:55.16 | tensorpudding | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/26cedac1/ |
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| 19:55.18 | ompaul | tensorpudding: see the external usb disk? |
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| 19:55.19 | tensorpudding | ompaul: eh? |
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| 19:55.20 | ompaul | tensorpudding: you seem to have two drives |
| 19:55.20 | ompaul | as in disks |
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| 19:55.31 | ompaul | *-ide:1 |
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| 19:56.03 | ompaul | tensorpudding: ignore me my brain just dumped |
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| 19:58.39 | tensorpudding | could it be pulseaudio? |
| 19:58.58 | ompaul | tensorpudding: as much as it could be anything else - there is no reason to suspect that over others |
| 19:58.59 | tensorpudding | when it crashed last, pulseaudio was the top cpu process |
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| 19:59.10 | tensorpudding | though it wasn't taxing the system by any means |
| 19:59.14 | ompaul | tensorpudding: had you flash running crazy at the time? |
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| 19:59.50 | tensorpudding | no |
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| 20:00.03 | tensorpudding | i have flash installed but it wasn't doing anything particular |
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| 20:00.38 | ompaul | tensorpudding: it does strange and bad things at times |
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| 20:00.55 | ompaul | tensorpudding: if your browser is not on does the machine fail? |
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| 20:01.06 | tensorpudding | how could something that's not kernel or hardware level cause the system to completely fail |
| 20:01.14 | tensorpudding | i haven't tested the no-browser condition |
| 20:01.31 | ompaul | I wonder how it's output gets to the screen and speakers and so on |
| 20:01.35 | tensorpudding | wait, no, i can recall that it did crash once with the browser closed |
| 20:02.11 | ompaul | is your battery good |
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| 20:02.20 | tensorpudding | no |
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| 20:02.37 | tensorpudding | but i don't know how that would be an issue |
| 20:02.52 | tensorpudding | it gets power from the mains |
| 20:02.53 | ompaul | if you have power fluctuations it would be |
| 20:02.58 | ompaul | or might be |
| 20:03.07 | ompaul | anyway let's assume its not that |
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| 20:03.57 | Uranio | I need to virtualize windows server inside a headless linux server |
| 20:04.02 | Uranio | what suggest? |
| 20:05.15 | ompaul | tensorpudding: while we think care to ssh into the machine and run atop so if it falls over we might get something |
| 20:05.35 | tensorpudding | atop? |
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| 20:05.44 | ompaul | tensorpudding: its a kind of top |
| 20:06.33 | tensorpudding | i'm using the machine at the moment |
| 20:07.06 | tensorpudding | though if it crashes i won't miss anything here, thanks to the power of znc |
| 20:07.28 | ompaul | tensorpudding: yeah do you have something else that can ssh into it that can display atop on the "remote" |
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| 20:08.19 | tensorpudding | yeah |
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| 20:10.20 | AFlyingMonkey | So Im trying to get postfix installed, Ive followed the instructions on: http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix but I cannot reach the server with telnet, I get a sderer refused connection error |
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| 20:10.50 | AFlyingMonkey | server* |
| 20:11.26 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: have you tried it on the local host? 'telnet localhost 25' |
| 20:11.39 | AFlyingMonkey | somiaj: yes thats whats not working |
| 20:11.50 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: you didn't change the default port? Note some isp's firewalls will block port 25 so just make sure that is not an issue |
| 20:12.13 | AFlyingMonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.13 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: ps fax -- is the postfix server running |
| 20:12.15 | AFlyingMonkey | Trying ::1... |
| 20:12.16 | AFlyingMonkey | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 20:12.18 | AFlyingMonkey | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 20:12.21 | somiaj | you sohuldn't need sudo there |
| 20:12.39 | AFlyingMonkey | regardless |
| 20:12.40 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: '/etc/init.d/postfix stop && /etc/init.d/postfix start' what does that do? |
| 20:13.26 | AFlyingMonkey | '$ /etc/init.d/postfix stop && /etc/init.d/postfix start |
| 20:13.28 | AFlyingMonkey | [....] Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixsed: can't read /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid: Permission denied' |
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| 20:15.15 | AFlyingMonkey | What should hte ownersip of /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid be? |
| 20:15.57 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: did you run that as root, sorry that is stoping/starting the postfix server |
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| 20:18.03 | AFlyingMonkey | somiaj: no but run as root there are no errors |
| 20:18.18 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: okay the server reset, can you telnet to port 25 now? |
| 20:18.24 | AFlyingMonkey | however telnet localhost 25 still returns the 2 attempts and the faliure |
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| 20:19.19 | jparkton | alright so after a reboot x wouldnt load and I had a message like "No device "NVIDIA" |
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| 20:19.31 | jparkton | that is the second time that has happened |
| 20:20.01 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: sudo netstat -a | grep LISTEN -- you can try to see what ports are being listend on |
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| 20:20.51 | confusid | if I use a 3rd party repo, how does one make it use the debian official package? say I use virtualbox-4.2 That's the newest one in vbox's repo and in debians. Can I force it some how to use the repo as if I was trying to use a backports? |
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| 20:21.14 | somiaj | confusid: are you talking about setting up pinning |
| 20:21.26 | somiaj | you can pin a whole repo (or just packages inside of it) to prefer one repo over another |
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| 20:21.40 | jparkton | somiaj, I used the one line for nvidia and when I reboot x wont start |
| 20:21.55 | somiaj | jparkton: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 20:22.01 | somiaj | I have to go, but others may look though it to see what is failing |
| 20:22.02 | Mrblue | -- Meet the GooBot #goo -- |
| 20:22.13 | AFlyingMonkey | somiaj: this is what netstat -a | grep LISTEN gives me: http://pastie.org/private/81xxnmvgn76bj0tocpfd1w |
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| 20:22.53 | confusid | somiaj: idk what it would be called. if I use the "deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian wheezy contrib" from virtualbox.org in my sources.list how do I know if it is pulling from that or the debian official repo? Since the package iis called virtualbox_4.2 in both? |
| 20:23.45 | somiaj | confusid: apt-cache policy package_name -- will tell you what apt will chose to do |
| 20:23.52 | somiaj | confusid: you can change default repos and such by using pinning |
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| 20:24.14 | confusid | somiaj: thanks! going to read on pinning |
| 20:24.16 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: you should have a line like "tcp 0 0 localhost:smtp *:* LISTEN" -- that is my mail server listening on smtp port (port 25) |
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| 20:24.45 | somiaj | for some reaons postfix is not listening on port 25 |
| 20:25.01 | somiaj | if sudo /etc/init.d/postfix start works, and you can see the server running in 'ps fax' then there is a configuration issue |
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| 20:25.20 | somiaj | either way you may want to go check the logs, and configuration and figure out why postfix is not listening on port 25. |
| 20:25.29 | somiaj | I have never had such an issue with postfix, has always worked fine for me |
| 20:25.29 | AFlyingMonkey | somiaj: what should it look like in ps fax? |
| 20:25.54 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: you should see some process by the name of 'postfix' |
| 20:26.17 | somiaj | I belive that will be its name, I don't have a system to double check |
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| 20:26.53 | AFlyingMonkey | not there, cron pts saslauthd but no postfix |
| 20:27.12 | jparkton | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/248754/ |
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| 20:27.30 | jparkton | thats actually Xorg.1 but thats the one you need right? |
| 20:28.37 | somiaj | jparkton: are you running xorg on dislay :1.0? |
| 20:28.55 | jparkton | No clue |
| 20:28.56 | somiaj | jparkton: :0.0 is the default one, so I want the Xorg.0.log, but yes if you are running on a different display I need the correct one |
| 20:28.59 | jparkton | I just boot it up |
| 20:29.02 | somiaj | then give me the Xorg.0.log one |
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| 20:29.40 | jparkton | well when x failed I deleted my xorg.conf files and reboot and I get new ones |
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| 20:30.02 | abrotman | he came back! |
| 20:30.03 | somiaj | jparkton: according to that log, you do not have your nvidia module loaded |
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| 20:30.20 | somiaj | jparkton: what does 'lsmod | grep nvidia' give you, if you don't see anything what is the error from 'modprobe nvidia' |
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| 20:30.48 | somiaj | jparkton: you may need to check dmesg and see why the nvidia module is not loading. This is a kernel issue and probabaly all you need to fix at this point |
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| 20:31.29 | jparkton | grep nvidia gives nothing back |
| 20:31.34 | jparkton | something is borked here |
| 20:31.39 | somiaj | yea your nvdia module is not loadig, figure out why |
| 20:31.40 | somiaj | dmesg |
| 20:32.10 | somiaj | do you see any errors about it (most likely near the end), or even try, 'modprobe nvidia' as root, look for errors, read errors, try to understand what they say, then fix them |
| 20:32.13 | jparkton | 910.220855] NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found! |
| 20:32.32 | jparkton | now thats dumb lol |
| 20:32.51 | jparkton | Is it saying the hardware is not found or the drivers and such? |
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| 20:33.07 | somiaj | jparkton: lspci, what nvidia card do you have? |
| 20:33.15 | AFlyingMonkey | somiaj: so what do you suggest? Ive followed a couple guides now and still cant get postfix to respond on port 25 |
| 20:33.45 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: I have no clue what you have done, but default the debian post fix packages should just run and be listening on port 25 |
| 20:33.56 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: purge all the postfix packages/confguration, start over |
| 20:34.22 | somiaj | my experience is apt-get install postfix (might as you a few questions) gets a running server |
| 20:34.24 | AFlyingMonkey | do you have a recommended guide? |
| 20:34.40 | AFlyingMonkey | hrm |
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| 20:35.02 | jparkton | well according to lspci I dont |
| 20:35.17 | somiaj | jparkton: well that could be your problem then |
| 20:35.26 | somiaj | jparkton: what graphics card do you have? |
| 20:35.29 | jparkton | Well, when this was win7 I had nvidia graphics installed from the HP temple |
| 20:35.43 | jparkton | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series] |
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| 20:35.50 | jparkton | thats all I see for graphics |
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| 20:36.18 | somiaj | so you have an ATI card, so you need the radeon (free ati) or fglrx (nonfree) driver |
| 20:36.38 | jparkton | ok |
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| 20:37.00 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: the fact that the guides are not working and the debian packages are not giving you a running post fix says to me something is custom about your system |
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| 20:37.22 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: I don't want to debug it, but look though logs, look for errors, try to figure out why postfix fails to start |
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| 20:37.40 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: i.e. /etc/init.d/postfix start -- fit that fails to start postfix, you need to figure out why. logs are where to start looking |
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| 20:38.08 | AFlyingMonkey | somiaj: /var/log/mail.log is empty |
| 20:38.13 | MrGizmo757 | hey can somone help me? i need to update my kernel to fix an overheating issue. i cant seem to find a working repo to do it |
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| 20:38.34 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: there are other logs, again you need errors, search for them. |
| 20:38.44 | somiaj | MrGizmo757: what version of debian do you run? |
| 20:39.08 | xgl | Bonne nuit ! |
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| 20:39.37 | MrGizmo757 | debian testing. Weezy i guess. i'm new to debian. came over from ubuntu |
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| 20:40.40 | dwat3r | how can i customize notification-daemon? |
| 20:40.50 | MrGizmo757 | its using kernel 3.2. ubuntu has a newer kernel and dosen't overheat my laptop. so i was thinking if i could update the kernel maybe that would fix my issue |
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| 20:41.19 | somiaj | MrGizmo757: wheezy freeze is fixing it with kernel 3.2, until the freeze is done (and wheezy is stable) no backported kernels will be made for it |
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| 20:41.47 | somiaj | MrGizmo757: there is a 3.8 kernel in expermential...http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3.8 |
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| 20:42.03 | somiaj | MrGizmo757: you can most likely install this in wheezy just fine. Be careful, realize this is unsupported but will most likley work |
| 20:42.47 | AFlyingMonkey | somiaj: /var/log/mail.log is empty I delete them right? they appear to have some logs of accidental calls to /etc/init.dd/postfix strt and other misspsellings. |
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| 20:43.20 | AFlyingMonkey | Im assuming the real error is hiding in there and will showop if i do a reinstall |
| 20:43.21 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: I really don't want to debug your system. I don't have postfix running on any of my hand machiens to double check where the logs are. You do not want /var/log/mail.log |
| 20:43.34 | somiaj | AFlyingMonkey: you want the postfix logs that tell you about the server, or look for output of errors when you try to start it |
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| 20:44.09 | MrGizmo757 | ok. ill see what happens. also would using a 3rd party like Liquorix be a good idea? i read there are some good tweaks in there. some of which may also fix my overheating issue. |
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| 20:45.51 | cdecarlo | it looks like an ini file |
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| 20:49.22 | jparkton | Ok so somiaj I followed the instructions from dpkg about those two ATI and did the whole long command that makes a line in my xorg.conf.d and rebooted. It failed x and sent me into a ttyl so here I are |
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| 20:57.34 | TheWarden | okay I know this will sound silly but honestly I'm not sure how to do this. I want to download these 4 packages nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae nvidia-glx. How can I download a copy of these packages? I've been trying to find them on packages.debian.org but I've only found the first one so far. |
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| 20:57.53 | TheWarden | I need them from the backports as well |
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| 20:58.53 | ompaul | ,v kernels |
| 20:58.54 | AFlyingMonkey | I just installed postfix, an received the service start message from the automatic start of the service, this error message in is all of the /var/log/mail logs (.err, .info, .log, .warn): 'Apr 10 16:48:00 sgen postfix/master[2227]: fatal: 0.0.0.0:smtp: Servname not supported for ai_socktype' |
| 20:58.55 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 20:59.03 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 20:59.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 20:59.35 | ompaul | TheWarden: that's a backport (I should have seen that) |
| 20:59.42 | TheWarden | mmm I thought this would be easy... my goal was to get those 4 packages installed after an install of the OS with the postinstall script being called via the preseed file. But I'm not sure how to do that without apt-get so then I thought I could download the packages from backports some how. |
| 20:59.43 | ompaul | !tell TheWarden about backports |
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| 21:00.08 | ompaul | apt-get -d install foo |
| 21:00.28 | TheWarden | ompaul: I don't have access to apt-get at install from what I understand. |
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| 21:01.33 | ompaul | TheWarden: ahh you don't you could do worse than point a browser at pool.debian.org |
| 21:02.59 | TheWarden | ompaul: I tried on another system this apt-get -d nvidia-kernel-dkms and I got "E: Invalid operation nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
| 21:03.13 | Towzzer | install |
| 21:03.16 | TheWarden | oh need install in there... mmm I should use -t squeeze-backports I would imagine |
| 21:04.05 | TheWarden | mm it can't locate the package what the heck, I did this before. |
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| 21:06.48 | ompaul | aptitude -t squeeze-backports install foo -d |
| 21:07.02 | ompaul | or apt-get |
| 21:07.07 | ompaul | but get that -d in there ime |
| 21:07.38 | TheWarden | okay |
| 21:07.40 | TheWarden | thanks |
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| 21:12.45 | TheWarden | okay I ran this sudo apt-get -d install -t squeeze-backports nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae nvidia-glx and this is what I got in return, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/af962f5223e10c00a59b |
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| 21:13.35 | TheWarden | I'm not sure what to do here as this is the command I ran recently to install the latest Nvidia drivers for Debian Squeeze so I could get support for Nvida GeForce 610M |
| 21:13.54 | AFlyingMonkey | How can I fix: postfix/master[2227]: fatal: 0.0.0.0:smtp: Servname not supported for ai_socktype? |
| 21:14.34 | TheWarden | there maybe a newer version of these packages I guess but how to heck to find them? If it wasn't for someone in here before I wouldn't have know. |
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| 21:16.46 | TheWarden | mm maybe this linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae should now be this linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
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| 21:17.36 | TheWarden | I guess I should ask this, how do I search for packages just in the backports only? I've done apt-cache search keyword but not sure what repository it searches in. |
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| 21:18.13 | kaste | Is there a sane way to unify uids across distros? I am using nfs mounts and am having uid issues, I did a quick diff of the shadow files and even basic daemon users are differnt. How would i most easily align these? |
| 21:18.57 | kaste | is manual change followd by a find / sane? |
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| 21:19.52 | kaste | Also is there a possibility that this would confuse apt on future updates? |
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| 21:25.22 | TheWarden | okay I broke it down one by one now, sudo apt-get -d install -t squeeze-backports nvidia-kernel-dkms and its now asking me to to continue to install or not, but I don't want it to install I want it to download it. |
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| 21:26.41 | TheWarden | ahh I took the risk and let it go and it did download them only... but no clule where the files went |
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| 21:28.50 | TheWarden | where would I find the downloaded files? |
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| 21:36.52 | jacklk | Debian + Xfce + Skype = uses over 2GB RAM?! |
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| 21:37.58 | babilen | jacklk: Maybe, could we see the output of "free -m" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 21:41.38 | jacklk | babilen: sure, |
| 21:41.51 | jacklk | http://pastebin.com/AAyDJ1eN |
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| 21:42.52 | TheWarden | mmm downloaded packages but not to the directory I'm within. where the heck are these things suppose to be. I tried using locate and find / -name but nothing was found. |
| 21:44.10 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | TheWarden: apt-get downloads usually to /var/cache/apt/archives or sometimes to ./ for certain things (like apt-get source) |
| 21:44.56 | jacklk | babilen: Why does that help though? |
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| 21:46.54 | TheWarden | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: ahhhh okay, yes they are in there. Thanks. Woah the first package download 20 packages. |
| 21:47.03 | TheWarden | mmm now does it matter which order the packages are installed in.... |
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| 21:48.29 | babilen | jacklk: 493MB of your RAM is used the rest is cached (and please, don't use pastebin.com -- I mentioned http://paste.debian.net for a reason) |
| 21:48.35 | babilen | dpkg: free ram |
| 21:48.35 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 21:50.10 | jacklk | babilen: cached? |
| 21:50.18 | TheWarden | okay I think I have all the packages with the exception that I can't find linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae and I'm not positive what would be the applicable replacement for it. Maybe linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
| 21:50.36 | babilen | jacklk: yes, files are cached in memory so that they can be accessed faster the next time |
| 21:50.47 | jacklk | babilen: sorry, I misread paste.debian.net.. why is it better? |
| 21:50.56 | jacklk | babilen: so basically, it is using 2GB? |
| 21:51.27 | babilen | jacklk: pastebin.com mangles pastes (changes it), displays ads, asks for captchas, is unnecessarily integrated with "social" media sites, ... |
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| 21:52.33 | jacklk | babilen: Okay, but why does the fact that some of the memory is cached have to matter? Still 2 whole gigabytes of RAM are being used for just a terminal and Skype |
| 21:52.37 | babilen | jacklk: No, the currently running programs are using 493MB of RAM. Some RAM is used to cache files (1598MB) which will be freed as soon as a program needs it. |
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| 21:53.06 | jacklk | babilen: cached memory is pointless and a waste of resources then |
| 21:53.29 | babilen | jacklk: No, the RAM is not *used* it is simply filled with data that might come in handy in the future. If something else /really/ needs it it can be used. Why shouldn't /all/ your RAM be used? It would simply mean that you have hardware that is not doing any work. |
| 21:54.03 | babilen | jacklk: No, quite the contrary. Free RAM is wasted resources as the RAM is not used for anything. |
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| 21:55.16 | babilen | jacklk: Just think about what would happen the next time a program wants to access a cached file. If it weren't cached it would have to be loaded from disk (slow!), but as it is cached it is already in memory and can be used more or less directly. |
| 21:55.47 | jacklk | but using all RAM is a waste of power |
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| 21:56.54 | jacklk | babilen: does this mean if I had 512MB RAM it would be fine, as cached memory couldn't be "created" or whatever due to the lack of free memory? |
| 21:58.29 | babilen | sure |
| 21:58.56 | babilen | jacklk: more files would simply have to be loaded from disk whenever they are accessed |
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| 21:59.59 | babilen | jacklk: As mentioned by our bot earlier: Free RAM is wasted RAM. You /have/ that memory. It is /good/ if it is used. Otherwise you have a bunch of hardware that just sits around without doing anything even though there might be a use for it (such as speeding up I/O) |
| 22:00.00 | jacklk | okay |
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| 22:00.13 | babilen | sorry, I really don't see what else I can say |
| 22:00.27 | jacklk | babilen: but loading from disk is fast? |
| 22:00.37 | jacklk | about 60Mb/s is still good |
| 22:00.39 | babilen | No, it is not. |
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| 22:01.11 | jacklk | I don't see how a program would need to load more than 60Mb of memory a second? |
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| 22:01.59 | babilen | It is slower than accessing memory by several powers of magnitude -- http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~rcs/research/interactive_latency.html visualises that quite nicely |
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| 22:03.04 | jacklk | babilen: 1ns is how many ms? |
| 22:03.12 | babilen | … |
| 22:03.17 | jacklk | lol |
| 22:03.30 | jacklk | What is a ns? |
| 22:03.36 | petn-randall | jacklk: There's this thing called wikipedia ... |
| 22:03.42 | babilen | nanosecond .. |
| 22:03.47 | doda_ | jacklk: linuxatemyram.com |
| 22:03.48 | jacklk | oh.. |
| 22:04.01 | jacklk | babilen: I am 10 |
| 22:04.13 | babilen | it even says so on the page... |
| 22:04.16 | jacklk | and am not a scientist/maths genious |
| 22:04.33 | jacklk | no it doesn't |
| 22:05.09 | babilen | sure it does .. just below "Round trip in the same datacentre" |
| 22:05.22 | babilen | (well, they spell it datacenter for some weird reason) |
| 22:05.47 | doda_ | jacklk: it is the same as having your tools on the table if you work on something and having them in a drawer on the other side of the room |
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| 22:06.53 | jacklk | babilen: maybe you are looking at a different page |
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| 22:07.02 | jacklk | it defiently doesn't say nanosecond anywhere |
| 22:07.20 | TheWarden | at install time, how does one update the sources.list? I can't use apt-get update |
| 22:07.29 | tharkun | What package should I install to rip some music cd's? |
| 22:07.51 | jacklk | tharkun: megabonerburner |
| 22:08.11 | doda_ | TheWarden: what is the error? |
| 22:08.26 | jacklk | babilen: See? |
| 22:08.31 | tharkun | jacklk: Is it on the official repos? |
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| 22:08.54 | jacklk | tharkun: yeh |
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| 22:09.30 | TheWarden | doda_: I don't have an error, I'm asking how one would update the sources.list at install time. I've added the backports but in order for it to take affect one on an installed system would update it with apt-get update. |
| 22:09.41 | tharkun | jacklk: <judd> No package named 'megabonerburner' was found in i386. |
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| 22:09.50 | TheWarden | I'm doing an automated install with a preseed file. |
| 22:10.07 | jacklk | tharkun: do you know what a boner is? |
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| 22:10.10 | doda_ | tharkun: google also doesn't show something like that |
| 22:10.18 | jacklk | I was only joking.. |
| 22:10.26 | jacklk | babilen: I proved you wrong" |
| 22:10.29 | jacklk | ! |
| 22:10.40 | doda_ | jacklk: stop trolling :D |
| 22:10.52 | tharkun | jacklk: Thanks for beeing a jerk. |
| 22:11.01 | doda_ | tharkun: btw there was sound juicer for ubuntu |
| 22:11.02 | jacklk | tharkun: you're welcome |
| 22:11.15 | doda_ | ie, gnome |
| 22:11.22 | jacklk | babilen will not reply, because I proved him wrong, and he does not like that. |
| 22:11.31 | tharkun | doda_: Sound juicer seems to force some kind of compression I need the raw audio. |
| 22:11.42 | jacklk | BAHAAAAAWHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA |
| 22:11.50 | jacklk | BAHAAAAAWHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA |
| 22:12.08 | doda_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_Applications/Multimedia#CD_Ripping check for something here |
| 22:12.09 | jacklk | laughs like a witch. |
| 22:12.15 | petn-randall | someone just made it to my plonk list. |
| 22:12.26 | jacklk | petn-randall: okay |
| 22:12.33 | jacklk | can't stop laughing. |
| 22:12.44 | jacklk | BAHAAAAAWHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA |
| 22:12.48 | jacklk | BAHAAAAAWHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA |
| 22:12.55 | doda_ | cdparanoia seems like the best solution i think |
| 22:13.00 | doda_ | jacklk: stop it. |
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| 22:13.08 | jacklk | doda_: okay |
| 22:13.12 | jacklk | But I win still. |
| 22:13.14 | petn-randall | !ops troll detected: jacklk |
| 22:13.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: petn-randall complains about: troll detected: jacklk |
| 22:13.41 | jacklk | I said I would stop petn-randall ... |
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| 22:14.40 | doda_ | btw what sid based distro should i try?, i wan't to mess with unstable but i'm too lazy to do a netinstall |
| 22:15.32 | tharkun | doda_: Thanks I'll take a look there. As for the sid distribution well I usually poke at separate packages when I need some new feature not yet on testing |
| 22:15.43 | petn-randall | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 22:16.29 | awc737 | Oh no |
| 22:16.33 | awc737 | I went to copy+paste |
| 22:16.41 | awc737 | and deleted the thing I had copied in clipboard (a file) |
| 22:16.47 | awc737 | how do I ctrl+z!!! recycle bin?! |
| 22:17.11 | awc737 | oh nvm lol |
| 22:17.13 | awc737 | we have trash |
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| 22:17.54 | petn-randall | doda_: If you want to try sid, go for it. Other alternative I can think of is sidux (though you won't get support for that here). |
| 22:18.02 | awc737 | WTF!! |
| 22:18.06 | awc737 | it brought back the folder, not the file in it! |
| 22:18.18 | petn-randall | awc737: ^_o |
| 22:18.27 | tharkun | awc737: look around, it should also be there |
| 22:18.29 | awc737 | noooooOOOOO |
| 22:18.36 | awc737 | it's not, there is only like 5 things here |
| 22:18.53 | awc737 | where is it? |
| 22:19.41 | awc737 | no I spent so much time on that |
| 22:19.42 | doda_ | petn-randall: yeah i could go with netinstall, does it have some wifi utils or should i just get a live cd and upgrade later? |
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| 22:20.31 | awc737 | Windows would never do something so dumb LINUXXX |
| 22:20.45 | awc737 | LINUXXXXX |
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| 22:21.33 | petn-randall | doda_: You can simply upgrade any system you have to sid. Do a netinstall an then change the sources.list. I recommend having some experience with Debian though, as it's not as smooth as stable is. |
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| 22:22.09 | petn-randall | awc737: You wanted to shoot yourself in the foot, and Debian let ya. |
| 22:22.12 | awc737 | can I netinstall upgrade to Windows to get my file back? |
| 22:22.32 | awc737 | I didn't want to but I did |
| 22:22.52 | doda_ | petn-randall: i have experience with ubuntu + arch, i wanna try debian now |
| 22:23.03 | doda_ | awc737: extundelete |
| 22:23.18 | petn-randall | doda_: Go with wheezy first, when you're comfortable and still want to go, then try sid. |
| 22:23.20 | doda_ | from a different partition or someting |
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| 22:23.31 | petn-randall | doda_: You wouldn't enjoy the ride otherwise :/ |
| 22:23.44 | doda_ | petn-randall: :D ok, will do |
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| 22:24.25 | nutron | is there an equivalent of "aptitude why" with apt-get? |
| 22:24.52 | petn-randall | doda_: sid is a more rough around the edges than a Ubuntu release. |
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| 22:26.23 | doda_ | yeah i know, my rationale is that its more like arch testing, i heard that sometimes you get uninstallable packages but that its solvable |
| 22:27.00 | petn-randall | doda_: sid is pretty quiet right now. But expect it to pick up the pace once wheezy is released. |
| 22:28.03 | petn-randall | doda_: I learnt a lot as I had a sid installation a few years back, but nowadays I just want a polished, low maintenance system so I go with wheezy. |
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| 22:29.13 | malph0s^ | why does multiple "iptables -A OUTPUT -o wlan0 ! -d a.b.c.d -j DROP" statements not work? |
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| 22:30.17 | tharkun | malph0s^: iptables chains and tables work as a whole and they work sequentially you need to analyze why are you letting them through |
| 22:30.58 | malph0s^ | is there a OR operator or something? |
| 22:31.09 | tharkun | not that I know of |
| 22:31.26 | petn-randall | malph0s^: What do you mean with "not work"? |
| 22:31.45 | petn-randall | malph0s^: Paste the full output of iptables -L -v please. |
| 22:32.02 | tharkun | iptables-save is more interesting ;P |
| 22:32.18 | malph0s^ | i have'nt analyzed it fully but if i have multiple statements like that, it doesn't allow anything through |
| 22:32.34 | doda_ | is the cd iso bootable from usb by default? |
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| 22:33.07 | tharkun | IIRC I've recently done something on that line ;P |
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| 22:44.12 | automin | hey, i'm having some trouble installing xvfb via apt-get. getting a 403 error. |
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| 22:46.09 | automin | if it's any help, the error is: Failed to fetch http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.11.4-0ubuntu10.11_amd64.deb 403 Forbidden |
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| 22:48.17 | abrotman | automin: you know this is #debian, right? |
| 22:48.34 | automin | abrotman: arg, oops. showing my noobishness. thanks. |
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| 22:52.15 | fabio | what is the best way to backup a server? |
| 22:52.17 | fabio | rysinc? |
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| 22:52.26 | fabio | *rsync |
| 22:52.35 | abrotman | fabio: probably need more information from you .. tons of different tools |
| 22:52.43 | fabio | im trying to ignore this files rsync --progress --exclude 'home/.cpan' --exclude 'home/cPanelInstall' --exclude 'home/.cpanm' --exclude 'home/.cpcpan' --exclude 'home/cpeasyapache' --exclude '/home/virtfs' |
| 22:52.59 | fabio | abrotman: but still including virtfs |
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| 22:53.22 | tharkun | fabio: There are lots of moving parts on a server, you need to be more precise on what you want to backup. (Usually related to what the server is focused to do) |
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| 22:53.26 | jordanm | fabio, cPanel doesn't support debian... |
| 22:53.37 | jordanm | and it comes with it's own backup utilities |
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| 22:53.53 | fabio | jordan i want to use a generic tool rysinc |
| 22:54.04 | fabio | every linux distro has |
| 22:54.23 | jordanm | only debian is supported here |
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| 22:54.39 | fabio | jordanm: rysinc is an package of debian |
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| 22:55.01 | jordanm | fabio, but you are not running debian |
| 22:55.19 | fabio | yes im running debian on backup server... |
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| 22:55.22 | jordanm | fabio, add the -x option to rsync, that's what you want |
| 22:55.42 | fabio | jordanm: how? |
| 22:55.49 | jordanm | rsync -x ... |
| 22:56.03 | petn-randall | it's stilled called rsync last time I checked. Ricin is used to poison people ... >_> |
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| 22:56.18 | fabio | im trying to ignore this files rsync -x --progress --exclude 'home/.cpan' --exclude 'home/cPanelInstall' --exclude 'home/.cpanm' --exclude 'home/.cpcpan' --exclude 'home/cpeasyapache' --exclude '/home/virtfs' |
| 22:56.31 | fabio | like this jordanm |
| 22:56.40 | jordanm | fabio, /home/virtfs contain bind mounts. -x will cause those mounts to be ignored |
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| 22:57.46 | malph0s^ | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/5AkG36b2 if i have multiple !(not) reject statements, it won't allow anything through |
| 22:58.09 | fabio | jordanm: its still parsing... |
| 22:58.35 | fabio | its still parsing virtfs |
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| 22:58.46 | NARMYNNA | http://bitchinbeach.com/videos/young-german-girl-sabrina-loves-sperm-in-her-face/ |
| 22:58.47 | jordanm | fabio, also, excludes are relative |
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| 22:58.56 | jordanm | fabio, do you see a difference in your excludes? |
| 22:59.25 | fabio | jordanm: what you mean? |
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| 23:07.03 | ^7heo | hey everyone. |
| 23:07.16 | ^7heo | is the wheezy backports repo empty or is it just me? |
| 23:07.44 | abrotman | ^7heo: do you understand where backports come from ? |
| 23:07.47 | abrotman | or why they exist? |
| 23:07.49 | petn-randall | malph0s^: you know iptables are a list of rules that get processed sequentially, right? |
| 23:08.06 | ^7heo | abrotman: yeah, and given than wheezy is soon to be stable, I wonder when they will come. |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | ^7heo: *soon* |
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| 23:08.19 | ^7heo | won't be "after the release date" a bit too late? |
| 23:08.30 | abrotman | ^7heo: backports are created from *testing* for *stable* .. wheezy is not stable yet |
| 23:08.32 | ^7heo | given that* |
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| 23:08.49 | abrotman | is pretty sure ^7heo doesn't understand what backports are or where they come from :) |
| 23:08.50 | ^7heo | yeah but one could create backports from sid for testing |
| 23:09.00 | ^7heo | so when testing goes stable they will be there |
| 23:09.01 | abrotman | ^7heo: right, that's not the point .. create your own |
| 23:09.09 | ^7heo | I don't have the time for that |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | ^7heo: what do you think already needs to be backported? |
| 23:09.13 | ^7heo | I'd rather use NetBSD |
| 23:09.15 | ^7heo | but thanks :) |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | bye! |
| 23:09.23 | ^7heo | at least you made me save a lot of time :) |
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| 23:09.38 | ^7heo | abrotman: I would need Xen 4.2 |
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| 23:09.46 | ^7heo | but I'm gonna use something else or build that from source. |
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| 23:10.08 | ^7heo | 'cause Xen 4.1 is not a real improvment upon 4.0 |
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| 23:10.17 | ^7heo | and Xen 4.2 is almost 3 years old already |
| 23:10.19 | abrotman | ^7heo: the versoin that's already in wheezy? |
| 23:10.27 | ^7heo | 4.1 is in wheezy yes |
| 23:10.28 | abrotman | oh .. 4.1 is in whezezy |
| 23:10.38 | malph0s^ | petn-randall: how would you go about doing it? |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | judd: versions xen-utils-common |
| 23:10.43 | judd | Package: xen-utils-common on i386 -- squeeze: 4.0.0-1; sid: 4.1.4-2; wheezy: 4.1.4-2; experimental: 4.2.0-1 |
| 23:10.48 | ^7heo | 4.2 is three years old, so I suspect it will be released on debian 8 stable. |
| 23:10.56 | petn-randall | malph0s^: Ok, there are a few problems with those iptables rules. First, you use blacklists. You blacklist everything not a.b.c.d. Obviously, only a.b.c.d get through. Then you drop everything e.f.g.h. Obviously nothing goes through :) |
| 23:10.59 | abrotman | ^7heo: you'd have to "backport" it from experimental .. not even sure that's possible |
| 23:11.07 | ^7heo | nah but |
| 23:11.09 | petn-randall | malph0s^: Create a whitelist, then drop everything at the end. |
| 23:11.13 | ^7heo | it would be for a production server... |
| 23:11.14 | ^7heo | so... |
| 23:11.21 | abrotman | enter key overload! |
| 23:11.33 | ^7heo | yeah sorry. |
| 23:11.37 | abrotman | ^7heo: experimental isn't generally recommended for production use .. we can't stop you though |
| 23:11.49 | ^7heo | no but I can stop me; thanks :P |
| 23:11.58 | ^7heo | I'm *not* gonna use experimental on a server; |
| 23:11.59 | malph0s^ | petn-randall: alright thanks |
| 23:12.16 | abrotman | ^7heo: good luck |
| 23:12.17 | petn-randall | malph0s^: There's a iptables best practices, wait a sec |
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| 23:12.32 | ^7heo | I'd even use ubuntu server instead; at least I could say "it was advertised as good!" |
| 23:12.52 | ^7heo | well anyway |
| 23:13.05 | ^7heo | thanks again for being clear on the fact that Xen 4.2 is not available excepted on sid. |
| 23:13.20 | ^7heo | that's pristine clear and very helping. |
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| 23:13.40 | petn-randall | golf-claps for ^7heo |
| 23:13.50 | ^7heo | so long and thanks for all the fish! |
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| 23:14.09 | abrotman | but it's not available on sid .. |
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| 23:17.17 | petn-randall | malph0s^: Sorry, can't find the pdf I was looking for. However, there's http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html |
| 23:17.36 | malph0s^ | np thanks! |
| 23:18.14 | petn-randall | malph0s^: Take a look at which packet traverses which table, it'll help you a lot when you later on have more complex iptables rules. |
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| 23:20.18 | petn-randall | malph0s^: At least that's what got me several times when I wrote my iptables rules by hand :) |
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| 23:42.42 | NARMYNNA | http://bitchinbeach.com/videos/young-german-girl-sabrina-loves-sperm-in-her-face/ |
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| 23:52.24 | tgs3 | ls |
| 23:52.36 | tgs3 | I can not install java on debian 6 |
| 23:52.56 | tgs3 | it looks like this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=690204 but it is not resolved for me |
| 23:53.11 | abrotman | tgs3: what have you tried? what's the error? |
| 23:53.22 | tgs3 | abrotman: I have exactly the same errors as in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=690204 |
| 23:53.41 | abrotman | but that's during squeeze->wheezy |
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| 23:54.45 | abrotman | judd: versions ca-certificates-java |
| 23:54.46 | judd | Package: ca-certificates-java on i386 -- squeeze: 20100412; sid: 20121112+nmu2; wheezy: 20121112+nmu2 |
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| 23:56.12 | tgs3 | abrotman: indeed... ok then, installing java-6-openjdk triggers Setting up ca-certificates-java (20100412) which gives: error adding brasil.gov.br/brasil.gov.br.crt ... failed (VM used: java-6-openjdk) dpkg: error processing ca-certificates-java (--configure) so I can not install java openjdk on this squeeze (x86_64) computer |
| 23:57.14 | abrotman | and the fix is in a later version than what you have (see the versions at the top |
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| 23:58.06 | Towzzer | it's because brazil is spelt wrong : ) |
| 23:58.17 | abrotman | tell taht to Brasil |
| 23:58.32 | Towzzer | I did, now I'm banned |
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| 23:59.03 | abrotman | tgs3: can you pastebin the whole thing ? |
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| 23:59.38 | tgs3 | abrotman: yes, one second. The bug is like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576453 but I do not have openvz nor low memory. There is grsecurity kernel protection there but it should be disabled for java |