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| 00:14.34 | tgs3 | abrotman: I think it is just openjdk doing stupid shit with rw and executable memory, and for some reason on this server it needs more options to avoid being killed by kernel |
| 00:15.41 | tgs3 | while on the subject, debian should consider shipping java that is not crashing (stock kernel too) with freenet and i2p? |
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| 00:20.24 | tgs3 | [pid 25365] execve("/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/keytool", ["keytool", "-list", "-keystore", "/etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts", "-storepass", "changeit", "-alias", "brasil_gov_br_pem"], [/* 20 vars */]) = 0 ... clones into PID=25366 [pid 25365] clone(Process 25366 attached ... and foobared: [pid 25366] mmap(0x7a1769d08000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
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| 00:21.42 | Armand | Any !ops about ? |
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| 00:22.16 | abrotman | Armand: why? |
| 00:22.23 | Armand | May I PM? |
| 00:22.30 | abrotman | you can |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | tgs3: do you think it's grsec doing it ? |
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| 00:23.17 | abrotman | Armand: thank you |
| 00:23.25 | Armand | No probs. |
| 00:23.38 | tgs3 | abrotman: yes it was, and not it is fixed (with the certs). It is resolved now but it is "java fault", it should be capable to run on system that does not allow JIT stuff (for security) |
| 00:23.44 | tgs3 | *and now it is fixed |
| 00:24.10 | abrotman | tgs3: you can file a bug if you want, not sure what would happen ... |
| 00:24.13 | tgs3 | following grsecurity/pax option makes java 100% compatible (disable memory protection): setfattr -n user.pax.flags -v "m" /usr/lib/jvm/*/jre/lib/*/*.so /usr/lib/jvm/*/jre/bin/* |
| 00:24.33 | tgs3 | ^- for grsecurity with file system attr flags (and analogous for other methods) |
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| 00:25.39 | tgs3 | abrotman: debian still doesn't have an option to apply custom file changes (chown, chmod, chfattr) to installed files? so they are preserved across aptitude reinstall |
| 00:25.45 | tgs3 | that was a question |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | tgs3: well,y ou could make the file immutable |
| 00:26.10 | abrotman | tgs3: oh wait .. hold on |
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| 00:27.06 | tgs3 | abrotman: to make hardened debian, one would like to publish a repository with things like openjdk-6-jdk-hardenedcompatible which: installs normal openjdk-6-jre but executes setafttr after (and chmod 000 or something during installation to avoid race to execute the half installed version) |
| 00:27.13 | abrotman | tgs3: dpkg-statoverride |
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| 00:28.10 | abrotman | tgs3: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.9.1 |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | tgs3: if i understand your question correctly? |
| 00:28.44 | tgs3 | abrotman: looks good, I will read more |
| 00:28.56 | tgs3 | abrotman: overall we are starting hardened debian, which takes normal debian |
| 00:29.08 | abrotman | !tell tgs3 about harden |
| 00:29.16 | tgs3 | and adds customized kernel, applies setfattr to binaries and so on |
| 00:29.18 | fabio | how to solve The authenticity of host when connecting via ssh? |
| 00:29.22 | tgs3 | adamantix is long dead isn't it |
| 00:29.30 | fabio | everytime i need to say yes |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | tgs3: i believ so |
| 00:30.23 | EmleyMoor | fabio: What exactly are you saying yes to? |
| 00:30.26 | tgs3 | abrotman: yes, we are doing this things that you linked me to (grsecurity etc) |
| 00:30.28 | tgs3 | but we do it fully |
| 00:30.36 | tgs3 | like... add a repo, and apt-get install security ;) |
| 00:30.43 | tgs3 | this is the goal |
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| 00:31.25 | tgs3 | of course for full security you will need to still customize few things, but the default will get you far ahead of current debian, in 1 minute so everyone can do it |
| 00:32.31 | fabio | EmleyMoor: when i try to connect to my server |
| 00:32.37 | fabio | via ssh |
| 00:32.49 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: sounds like the key changed |
| 00:33.20 | fabio | RSA fingerprint is the same |
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| 00:35.34 | tgs3 | !mentor |
| 00:35.34 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | tgs3: also note you can msg the bot |
| 00:36.46 | tgs3 | abrotman: it would appear #debian-mentors is no longer valid channel here |
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| 00:39.04 | abrotman | tgs3: read what the bot said ... |
| 00:39.16 | tgs3 | right other network.. im tired |
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| 00:58.30 | tgs3 | abrotman: can a .deb (or rather, a repository) be signed by 2 people and both signatures are required (by aptitude / apt secure) to accept? |
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| 01:01.20 | petn-randall | tgs3: No. You have a list of keys you trust (apt-key list will show you), and only one of them needs to sign the repo. |
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| 01:02.50 | abrotman | tgs3: the signing is for the repo, not the package AFAICT |
| 01:02.55 | tgs3 | petn-randall: that is quite insecure |
| 01:03.06 | petn-randall | tgs3: Why do you think that? |
| 01:03.24 | tgs3 | petn-randall: first of all, it should be noted which key can sign what |
| 01:03.54 | petn-randall | tgs3: How will that improve security in reality? |
| 01:04.10 | tgs3 | e.g. if I added a Opera key I want to allow Opera to only sign repository of deb.opera.org and only allow certain packages... e.g. so that opera will not override my /bin/bash |
| 01:04.17 | tgs3 | petn-randall: it will block following scenario: |
| 01:04.41 | tgs3 | crack a software vendor and steal his key (happened, even from government level CAs) |
| 01:05.09 | tgs3 | and make them offer an upgrade of bash. And you will get troyanned /bin/bash |
| 01:05.14 | petn-randall | thinks the suspense is killing him. |
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| 01:05.39 | tgs3 | is anything stopping opera from putting a bash on their repo dep.opera.org? |
| 01:05.56 | petn-randall | tgs3: Wrong. You know that every single package can have a script run as root? |
| 01:06.35 | petn-randall | tgs3: If you don't trust the vendor, you should use a VM. |
| 01:06.38 | tgs3 | petn-randall: you mean that either way heaving troyaned repository = totall system compromise by the installation time scripts? |
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| 01:07.22 | tgs3 | petn-randall: ok I agree then, compromised vendor = problem no mater if we restrict what packages he provide |
| 01:07.35 | petn-randall | tgs3: Sure. What does that help you if you define that only deb.opera.org can install opera packages? A malicious cracker would just put a trojaned postinst file into the package. |
| 01:07.52 | tgs3 | but this even more highlights need for multi sign on repository |
| 01:08.05 | tgs3 | it would work like this: Opera prepares their repository and signs it |
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| 01:08.13 | abrotman | patches welcome! |
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| 01:08.31 | tgs3 | separate trusted entity, in example from debian "side", rebuilds, compares, reviews and if all is fine then he signs too |
| 01:08.50 | tgs3 | abrotman: that is outside of my are of interest, and Im writting other free software now |
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| 01:08.59 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 01:09.01 | ShapeShifter499 | who here has used freenx? I'm trying to create a high bit rsa key for it but I can't seem to find out how, I can only seem to generate a dsa key of 1024 or less |
| 01:09.24 | petn-randall | tgs3: The moment there's a signature on it, the package is marked by Debian as "trustworthy". That's all the end user wants to know. |
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| 01:09.58 | petn-randall | tgs3: There is already quite a complex infrastructure leading up to that point. There's no need to expose that infrastructure to the end user, too. |
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| 01:10.41 | l_r | hello |
| 01:10.54 | tgs3 | petn-randall: I say that we should make it more secure. would this procedure achieve this? a cracker would need to compromise both vendor like Opera, and the auditor like Debian mentor |
| 01:11.30 | l_r | i am following some guidelines to build a .deb package. the documentation talks about a "native debian pacage" vs "non-native debian". what is the differenc eexactly? |
| 01:11.42 | tgs3 | and this need results from fact that vendors are not so rarerly cracked, or can just be not so very trust worthy, and as you just noted the installation of any .deb = run arbitrary scripts are root |
| 01:12.08 | tgs3 | at the very least the auditor from debian could verify that the .deb will not do crazy stuff in install hooks (despite verifining or not the application itself) |
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| 01:12.44 | petn-randall | tgs3: I'd argue that in real life those two keys will be secured worse, because "the attacker can't do anything with a single key". |
| 01:13.55 | petn-randall | tgs3: You're far better off having a single, trustworthy key, and putting all your effort into making this key secure by how you design your infrastructure around it. |
| 01:13.59 | tgs3 | petn-randall: so currently the only way for responsible admin is to never use thoes vendor provided repositories... |
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| 01:14.36 | tgs3 | petn-randall: or... provising simple-deb that are guaranteed to just install some files and do other standard stuff |
| 01:14.56 | doda | anyone using clickpads?, i copied my config from arch and i don't have right click |
| 01:15.09 | tgs3 | as admin I could accept that I will get a buggy (insecure) /usr/bin/opera and users running it will get their cookies stolen or something, but it is not tollerable that adding this repo could result in rootkit |
| 01:15.18 | petn-randall | tgs3: If you're installing packages from a vendor, you're blindly trusting them anyway. Two keys won't change anything about that fact. |
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| 01:16.11 | petn-randall | tgs3: You can already know build your repo in a way that packages only get added when they've been signed by two people. If you want that. |
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| 01:16.58 | petn-randall | tgs3: build your signing repo to check that a package got signed by person X and Y. Only if both is true add the package to the repo and sign it. |
| 01:17.01 | tgs3 | petn-randall: debian maintainer will change the fact, that he will not sign a packages that does stupid stuff in install scripts that run as root |
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| 01:17.59 | tgs3 | petn-randall: that is some idea... but no one will probably install a local repo + incoming + all this :) ever |
| 01:18.21 | petn-randall | tgs3: That's basically how Debian has it implemented ... |
| 01:18.47 | tgs3 | petn-randall: maybe implement it directly like... in apt keys have key 0x1234 and also (0xAAAA+0xBBBB) meaning that key 0xAAAA is valid only when signed also by 0xBBBB |
| 01:19.17 | tgs3 | the manifest signature is detached right? so create two of them, fetch two.. verify two... doable? :) |
| 01:19.33 | petn-randall | tgs3: Why bring complexity where there's none needed?? All your checks should happen *before* anything gets into the repo in the first place. |
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| 01:20.20 | petn-randall | tgs3: Sorry, but your idea is half-baked. If a package is only signed by one of two keys, why put it into the repo at all? |
| 01:20.39 | tgs3 | petn-randall: it must be signd by both |
| 01:20.44 | petn-randall | tgs3: Also, how the signing is chained, it's either all the repo or none. Look up how repo signing works. |
| 01:21.18 | tgs3 | I'm not following your solution to this problem |
| 01:21.30 | tgs3 | let me state again what Im actually trying to do |
| 01:21.34 | themill | is not sure there is a problem |
| 01:21.43 | tgs3 | create a debian repository for users, so they can easilly apt-get install from it, |
| 01:21.57 | petn-randall | themill: There isn't, it's just crazy ideas spinning here. |
| 01:22.04 | mentor | Ooh, what problem are we trying to solve? |
| 01:22.05 | tgs3 | in a way, that each packet in the repository will be signed by me, and also by separete developer (other key, on his machine etc) |
| 01:22.38 | petn-randall | mentor: tgs3 got the impression, that adding more signing keys to a repo will make it more secure ... from something. |
| 01:22.44 | tgs3 | and that apt-get install foo will work only if my repo contains that file in fact correctly signed by both developers, and will fail (warn about missing sign or something) in other case |
| 01:22.53 | themill | tgs3: signing of individual packages is not done at all -- there were experimental dpkg hooks but not for apt. |
| 01:23.20 | themill | tgs3: that really does sound like you're solving the wrong problem -- either put the package in the repo or don't. |
| 01:23.22 | tgs3 | themill: yes I know entire manifest is signed. Yes it can be done all at once. Repo will have just 5 .deb for now |
| 01:23.30 | petn-randall | tgs3: You can simply pin your repositories to only allow certain things ... no signing mumbojumbo needed ... |
| 01:24.07 | mentor | Does tgs3 want to add his own arbitrary verification step in? |
| 01:24.22 | tgs3 | mentor: yes, I want to assure users that if they get stuff from my repository it will be signed by 2 separate developers, in case 1 of us would be compromised |
| 01:24.36 | petn-randall | tgs3: Verifying signatures is costly. Think that Debian is also running on low-end ARM machines. And you want to slap *two* or more signatures on every single package?! |
| 01:24.45 | mentor | Define your attack model |
| 01:24.46 | tgs3 | petn-randall: I do not know how to simply do it in current version of apt |
| 01:24.52 | themill | tgs3: so do that before you put you put the package in your repo |
| 01:25.03 | petn-randall | mentor: I'm afraid there is none ... |
| 01:25.11 | tgs3 | mentor: Opera releases repository with .deb. Hack the opera, troyan the repository. Was done before (irssi) |
| 01:25.20 | petn-randall | themill: that's what I said ... |
| 01:25.24 | tgs3 | actually irssi is not the best example but anyway |
| 01:25.30 | mentor | Hmmm |
| 01:25.39 | tgs3 | themill: but don't you see... my compture might be compromised |
| 01:25.54 | tgs3 | we need 2 separate signatures verified BOTH on CLIENT side |
| 01:26.20 | tgs3 | this is only way to defend against chance of the "repository" computer being taken over, right? |
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| 01:26.47 | petn-randall | tgs3: You never have the signing key on the same machine as the repository, btw. |
| 01:26.48 | mentor | Would the problem here not be that packages from diverse source can trample all over each other? |
| 01:27.09 | mentor | I think I would solve this with some sort of automatic pinning mechanism |
| 01:27.17 | tgs3 | if I just verify other developer signature, and then place my own ONE signature so the file (manigest) has ONE signature, then compromising just ONE computer (mine) allows to take over my repo and use it to spread troyan |
| 01:27.17 | petn-randall | mentor: Signing won't stop opera from packaging such shitty packages trampling over others ... |
| 01:27.21 | mentor | To pin the package to the source repository |
| 01:27.38 | mentor | petn-randall: Noted. |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | to compile compromised source? |
| 01:27.45 | tgs3 | so instead I need to add second signature, and the customer (apt-get install ... ) needs to see TWO independednt signatures |
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| 01:29.01 | mentor | tgs3: So what's the attack model of the compromise? |
| 01:29.02 | tgs3 | petn-randall: yes HTTP server is separete from the computer that builds my version and signs it.. I guess this is some protection, but still just steal 1 key (from my compile&sign machine) and in other way distribute the bugged .deb without using my uncompromised HTTP server |
| 01:29.03 | themill | tgs3: your co-developer taking over your computer is still sufficient for that to propagate, and your codeveloper taking over your machine is probably much easier than anyone else doing it |
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| 01:30.05 | tgs3 | mentor: oh that too, as we just discussed, Opera could override /bin/bash .. this is a problem but anyway Opera can do anything as root so this is a bigger problem - all repositories must be trusted or game over |
| 01:30.30 | Armand | installs Win98 on tgs3's server |
| 01:30.35 | Armand | Sorted! |
| 01:30.44 | tgs3 | themill: co-developer is supposed to be independant entity, e.g. Opera releases, and some guy from Debian verifies and signs too |
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| 01:30.51 | petn-randall | tgs3: I doubt your "solution" would have prevented any real life example. |
| 01:30.59 | tgs3 | installs Windows 8 RT on Armand's. Muaahahhaa. |
| 01:31.04 | mentor | tgs3: The codeveloper is never going to be an independent entity though |
| 01:31.05 | Armand | EEK!! |
| 01:31.16 | tgs3 | sends Armand to Windows Shop |
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| 01:31.29 | Armand | dd's all the drives! |
| 01:31.30 | petn-randall | tgs3: Verifies what? That there is a binary? |
| 01:31.34 | tgs3 | mentor: it is not "co-developer", it's an auditor |
| 01:31.57 | petn-randall | tgs3: I highly doubt Opera will let a DD audit their releases. |
| 01:32.23 | tgs3 | petn-randall: 1) build same binary and verify it's same file (hash) 2) also check if the installation scripts (run as root!) are not doing shit 3) maybe even verify the source code itself (diff from last) depending on scope of audit |
| 01:32.33 | Armand | FYI: My colleagues and I are talking about setting up an internal repo for a few distros.. and even working on our own release. :) |
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| 01:32.51 | tgs3 | Armand: we are too :) |
| 01:32.54 | petn-randall | tgs3: Give me a single real life example of a compromise that could have been prevented by this. An example that *actually happened*. |
| 01:32.57 | Armand | Not easy. |
| 01:32.59 | tgs3 | Armand: we are doing debian-hardened with grsecurity and shit |
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| 01:33.37 | tgs3 | petn-randall: you remember that CA that got compromised last year? Well assume they where releasing .deb's in a repo and there you go |
| 01:33.40 | Armand | Most of our servers are using CentOS, but I'm looking at a Debian-based deployment for office systems. |
| 01:34.05 | Armand | I'd prefer to have a unified desktop setup. |
| 01:34.08 | petn-randall | tgs3: I won't assume. Which key from an deb-based distro ever got compromised? |
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| 01:34.25 | tgs3 | petn-randall: probably some random-new-vendor's keys |
| 01:34.35 | mentor | tgs3: Debian uses GPG |
| 01:34.48 | tgs3 | petn-randall: we will be releasing debian-hardened thing (for now the kernels) will you verify it all and sign it with master key? |
| 01:35.01 | mentor | hah |
| 01:35.04 | tgs3 | petn-randall: if notm then the users have a problem - should we trust this new group |
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| 01:35.32 | tgs3 | so I wante to say - do not worry, there will be other person e.g. known developer checking at least that we are not publishing obvious shit |
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| 01:35.51 | tgs3 | 2 signs would be most natural way to do it |
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| 01:36.22 | tgs3 | anyway why manifests are signed not .debs... Now I manually build foo.deb then make foo.asc (gpg -s) and works like a charm |
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| 01:36.45 | petn-randall | tgs3: If you want to sign you package on top, use debsign. |
| 01:37.03 | tgs3 | if not using debian REPO, we would simply have foo.deb + foo.sign1 + foo.sign2 (or foo.asc + foo.sign2) and done |
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| 01:37.26 | petn-randall | tgs3: But you're just preparing for a threat model isn't even well defined. |
| 01:37.40 | tgs3 | petn-randall: will that allow end users to simply do apt-get install on such files if we serve them on http:// ? |
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| 01:37.46 | tgs3 | (and upgrades etC) |
| 01:37.56 | petn-randall | tgs3: sure. |
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| 01:38.33 | petn-randall | zzzz |
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| 01:38.40 | petn-randall | I gotta catch some sleep |
| 01:38.44 | petn-randall | cya |
| 01:39.00 | tgs3 | petn-randall: model: guy that makes the .deb is compromised - attacker can sign his own arbitrary binary into his repository and publish if on his repository, but attacker can not access totally independant auditor that is checking the files |
| 01:39.07 | themill | tgs3: there's a chain of trust -- there's no need to have each one individually signed in the repo and doing so would just add to the mirror space required and the vast complexity of the signing infrastructure |
| 01:39.09 | fabio | i want to rsync ignore key change ssh. how to doo it? |
| 01:39.13 | tgs3 | petn-randall: we can talk tomorrow if you PM me bye |
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| 01:39.43 | fabio | i want to rsync ignore key change ssh. how to doo it? because everytime i use rsync i need to type yes to continye |
| 01:39.44 | tgs3 | themill: chain of trust is good, but chain of trust with 2 independant confirmations is better. Compromised CA roots prove that, and it happened many times |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | fabio: pleaes don't repeat every minute |
| 01:40.04 | tgs3 | fabio: repeat the offending line from ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? |
| 01:40.08 | tgs3 | *delete |
| 01:40.16 | petn-randall | tgs3: sorry, the package is called debsigs, not debsign. |
| 01:40.20 | fabio | ive deleted allready |
| 01:40.32 | fabio | still same problem |
| 01:40.43 | tgs3 | fabio: it should solve it. delete entire file to be sure, after each use of ssh if the key changes often for some reason |
| 01:41.07 | hero100 | what's the risk to delete every file except the "halt" in /etc/rc0.d? |
| 01:41.12 | fabio | tgs3: ive did it |
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| 01:41.12 | mentor | Maybe doing distributed signing would be helpful to mitigate a compromise of a repository key or the like |
| 01:41.12 | tgs3 | oh right then it can ask you on first use... hmm check man ssh if there is option for auto accept (but that is less secure) |
| 01:41.25 | petn-randall | tgs3: He should only delete the problematic line, not all of them ... that'll undermine his security ... |
| 01:41.32 | mentor | I think the issue with any further verification is working out how to do the verification |
| 01:41.43 | mentor | howeverr |
| 01:41.44 | tgs3 | mentor: yeap that is my point. The only way to have really secure distributed is to place 2 (or more) SEPEARETE signatures |
| 01:41.46 | themill | tgs3: you can already put more than one signature on the Release file. I can't recall if apt checks all of them or not though. |
| 01:41.59 | mentor | tgs3: It's a way |
| 01:42.15 | tgs3 | themill: neat. so all we need now s to have apt check them, and a way to add a key group, like add-key 0xAAAA <only if also signed by> 0xBBBB |
| 01:42.37 | mentor | tgs3: I'm not sure the problem you're trying to solve is a compromise on the key though |
| 01:43.09 | tgs3 | themill: we are releasing debian hardened kernels, would you mentor me a bit through making an http:// signed (signgle sign for starters) repo out of it? (I have very limited time and you probably know this stuff better) |
| 01:43.46 | mentor | tgs3: There are numerous ways to split and keep safe a private key |
| 01:44.14 | tgs3 | mentor: actually compromise of entire vendor (signing + http server). I want to guarantee that "as long as the auditor(s) remain uncompromised, even totall compromise of the vendor will not allow so easily to make you bindly install troyans on next apt upgrade) |
| 01:44.42 | tgs3 | mentor: PGP does not allow to make one signature by heaving 2 people somehow half-sign it, does it? |
| 01:44.52 | mentor | tgs3: Yes, it does |
| 01:45.01 | tgs3 | oh. well that would solve this problem. How? |
| 01:45.05 | mentor | tgs3: It also allows you to keep your private keys on smartcards |
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| 01:45.59 | Armand | Errrmm.. for a website, wouldn't you first want an SSL ? |
| 01:46.01 | tgs3 | if I make file "foo", can I half-sign it somehow, send you the foo.asc, and you will half-sign it into some foo.asc.asc or foo.asc2, and only this file end-user will see as signed by our key 0xABCD, while none of us working alone could had signed as 0xABCD ? |
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| 01:46.43 | tgs3 | Armand: is this to me? https is not guaranteeing anything, in times when noob CA's get owned and governments buy/bully other root CAs |
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| 01:46.50 | mentor | I think you probably want to go with the smartcard or TPM route if you're this worried |
| 01:47.10 | mentor | Armand: Debian packages are signed with GPG |
| 01:47.12 | Armand | tgs3, I think you're somewhat wrong there, but.. nm. |
| 01:47.17 | tgs3 | mentor: well it's a hardened debian repo... 2 signs is the very least we can do :) |
| 01:47.24 | Armand | mentor, he was talking about HTTP:// |
| 01:47.26 | mentor | Armand: We're not discussing encrypting HTTP session traffic |
| 01:47.46 | mentor | tgs3: You understand what TPM/smartcard means right? |
| 01:48.01 | abrotman | Could we implement a private sftp/scp apt repository? you could have only certain keys be accepted? |
| 01:48.09 | Armand | ^ |
| 01:48.22 | Armand | I'm with abrotman on that one. |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | it was just a question! |
| 01:48.37 | tgs3 | Armand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiNotar national level root CA that got owned. And Iran and others are known to produce fake gmail.com SSL certs. |
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| 01:48.48 | Towzzer | iran is so awesoem |
| 01:48.48 | Armand | lol |
| 01:48.54 | Armand | That was SO pointless.. |
| 01:48.54 | tgs3 | USA is next |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | tgs3: besides various proxies that do the MITM SSL stuffs? |
| 01:49.00 | tgs3 | "to fight the terrorists" |
| 01:49.12 | tgs3 | no wait no it's "for he children" |
| 01:49.12 | mentor | Yes, the trust model for x509 certificates is poor |
| 01:49.14 | tgs3 | abrotman: yea |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | so, the scp/sftp is a bad idea? |
| 01:49.28 | Armand | abrotman, I mean.. I agree with you. I like the sftp/scp idea. |
| 01:49.56 | tgs3 | https/sftp is irrevelant as trivably avoidable |
| 01:49.57 | mentor | tgs3: With TPM or smartcards the private keys never leave the either |
| 01:49.58 | abrotman | i'm asking tgs3 i suppose .. he's the paranoid one :) |
| 01:50.08 | tgs3 | mentor: maybe this will be a good solution |
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| 01:50.24 | llueve__ | Gente no usen redes sociales no libres, son malebolas se quedan con sus datos. cut07.tk/bTz |
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| 01:50.28 | mentor | Yes, you might put some time into reading about them instead of talkingn |
| 01:50.32 | mentor | :) |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | was that spam ? |
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| 01:50.42 | abrotman | guess so |
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| 01:50.52 | tgs3 | abrotman: debian.org servers where compromised, other vendors where compromised, it's just a regular precausion in todays world |
| 01:51.01 | abrotman | tgs3: that doesnt' answer my question |
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| 01:51.35 | tgs3 | abrotman: which question? about sftp? yes the repo should be server with SSL, on https, and so on |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | eh |
| 01:52.19 | tgs3 | "a private sftp/scp apt repository?" well dunno maybe this is possible... but what is the point? |
| 01:52.24 | Armand | O.o |
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| 01:52.57 | abrotman | tgs3: i think i already stated that |
| 01:53.01 | tgs3 | we want cryptographical security - this .deb was signed by 0xABCD, not security of "I got this file from deb.superawesome.com so it must be good" ... or did I missunderstood |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | you want package security, not repo security? |
| 01:54.01 | un214 | The repo doesn't need SSL |
| 01:54.13 | un214 | all debian packages are signed |
| 01:54.16 | tgs3 | myself I would prefer to produce a foo.deb and then have trusted auditors uploda foo.asc1 foo.asc2 foo.asc3 but will then apt-get install download them? and verify exitance of ALL signatures? |
| 01:54.17 | abrotman | tgs3: no |
| 01:54.22 | un214 | I think all packages in apt-get must be signed |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | erm |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | un214: no |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | tgs3: that 'no' wasn't for you |
| 01:54.40 | tgs3 | I know, unless you read my mind :) |
| 01:54.48 | tgs3 | puts second tinfoil hat to be sure |
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| 01:55.21 | tgs3 | abrotman: first of all, personally I think that the manifest sucks |
| 01:55.24 | tgs3 | some serious ballz |
| 01:55.26 | rryoumaa | abrotman: you are saying no to un214? |
| 01:55.32 | rryoumaa | what packages do not need to be signed? |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | tgs3: which manifest? |
| 01:55.50 | tgs3 | can I easilly produce a "repo" out of creating just .deb files + just providing .deb.asc ? is this implemented now? |
| 01:55.51 | un214 | tgs3 suggests something interesting, but I probably wouldn't trust the auditors as much as debian |
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| 01:56.09 | un214 | dpkg will take an unsigned .deb |
| 01:56.10 | dpkg | un214: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:56.32 | tgs3 | un214: the point is you should require all signatures, in example mine, my auditor (better then just mine in case Im owned), and one day, mine+auditor+debian :) |
| 01:56.34 | Armand | hugs dpkg! |
| 01:56.41 | kody | What is a hybrid system considered? For a pure debian hybrid? |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt .. that's what you're referring to for the current system ? |
| 01:57.09 | tgs3 | abrotman: now I must produce the .deb , create a manifest , put that into a repo , sign that. This is what I read, yes SecureApt. I do not like this system, |
| 01:57.11 | un214 | given the order ... what debian packages aren't signed |
| 01:57.13 | rryoumaa | oic you are saying that a .deb that you make or from some repos does not need to be signed. of course. |
| 01:57.24 | tgs3 | because I do not understand why not simply provide x.deb + x.deb.sig |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | un214: the uploaded package or the downloaded package is signed? |
| 01:57.31 | rryoumaa | but the standard repos do, right? |
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| 01:58.19 | un214 | ah forget it I don't know enough to answer that question |
| 01:59.05 | tgs3 | abrotman: is there a ready way, today, so that instead of creating the usuall repository with reprepro and SecuteApt I could instead just create .deb files + .deb.sig for each, put them on http and the end user will be able to apt-get install FOO it the same way as from a normal repository with manifests and all? |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | tgs3: not that i'm aware of |
| 01:59.31 | tgs3 | :( |
| 01:59.34 | themill | tgs3: have you not yet looked at dpkg-sig? |
| 01:59.40 | tgs3 | themill: no |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | see, themill makes me feel silly |
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| 02:00.15 | abrotman | themill: you just have it out for me because you odn't like me, you never have!!!!111!1! |
| 02:00.16 | tgs3 | themill: ok, so this tool will work... but will it work with apt-get ? |
| 02:00.25 | tgs3 | ¹ |
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| 02:00.44 | themill | notes that dpkg-sig isn't used in favour of archive signing |
| 02:01.00 | dvs | agrees then hides |
| 02:01.27 | tgs3 | themill: so, I can not apt-get install from a repo just created with dpkg-sign that skipped the reprepo thing? |
| 02:01.51 | themill | tgs3: you'd have to write a suitable apt hook for it. You need to provide the key infrastructure yourself -- dpkg-sig just makes or checks signatures. |
| 02:02.12 | themill | wtf does "skipped the reprepro thing" mean? |
| 02:03.08 | tgs3 | themill: creating .deb + put them on http is very easy. About doing real repository I will see tomorrow, using reprepro we will see how it goes |
| 02:03.40 | tgs3 | reprepro is the right choice if I want most easy way to publish a bunch of .deb I created so that other users can apt-get install them? |
| 02:03.54 | themill | dpkg: tell tgs3 about own repo |
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| 02:04.07 | themill | there are many choices; it's probably the best |
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| 02:06.43 | tgs3 | themill: want to do it? like you tell me the commands and I do it? Im so tired but it would be cool to start our hardened debian thingy today :) |
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| 02:07.21 | tgs3 | I have .debs and apache |
| 02:07.32 | themill | It's not an itch I have a desire to scratch. |
| 02:08.42 | Armand | hands themill a back-scratcher.. |
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| 02:41.26 | yazdmich | how would i set up an SSH tunnel to forward a Hurricane Electric 6in4 tunnel? |
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| 02:45.32 | abrotman | yazdmich: HE has tech suport |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | support |
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| 02:45.57 | seekanet | hey guys |
| 02:46.17 | seekanet | i found this quite interesting, and i hope it will help you guys aswell.Spotify for Linux (Debian) https://www.spotify.com/us/download/previews/ |
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| 03:05.53 | rryoumaa | is it dfsg? |
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| 03:07.05 | emacWorker | hey, does anyone know how I could run 'su' on a remote host, via ssh, to switch to root from a script? I don't know how to feed it a password. |
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| 03:12.23 | bluesm | Where I can find out which libraries to g++ I do have ? |
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| 03:16.30 | pskosinski | emacWorker: Well, if you are doing it on script then you probably want to run just a few commands, then maybe sudo will help. Give a user rights to execute sudo and in sudoers add rues for executing a few apps ithout providing pass. No idea if you can somehow pass password to su from terminal… |
| 03:16.31 | mmnicolas | emacWorker: I wonder if its even possible, given it implies to have a password in cleartext somewhere |
| 03:16.57 | emacWorker | pskosinski, can't do that |
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| 03:17.23 | emacWorker | mmnicolas, you can use sshpass to ssh from a script with a password in plain text |
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| 03:19.38 | mmnicolas | didn't know about that, but when I apt-cache show'd it I was given the expected "SECURITY NOTE: there is a reason the openssh team doesn't like us" |
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| 03:31.17 | mojzesz | welcome |
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| 03:38.09 | seekanet | mojz did you check this http://www.debian.org/international/Polish/ |
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| 03:59.02 | mmnicolas | im sure he figured out he had to install a package then select it in a drop-down menu in his display manager :P |
| 04:00.09 | seekanet | lol |
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| 04:28.27 | johncarter | hi guys |
| 04:29.26 | johncarter | i am working on a server remotely, just messing around. I am trying to figure out the correct default config. i wanted to test if the server can send mail with 'mail -s "blah" someone@somewhere.com', however it does not seem to be able to send email from cli. |
| 04:29.41 | johncarter | what default config settings do i need to point it to the right smtp server?> |
| 04:30.10 | johncarter | it's not obvious what it should be using. i guess maybe i can do an smtp.something.something in the hosts file? |
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| 04:30.16 | johncarter | what is the standard way to get this to work? |
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| 04:39.16 | themill | johncarter: you need to configure your mail-transport-agent on that machine |
| 04:39.41 | beepie | mta , i thought that was called mail transfer agent mehehehe |
| 04:40.00 | johncarter | aha. finally googlabe info. thanks! |
| 04:40.03 | themill | johncarter: the output of «aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent~i» will tell you what you've got installed (exim4, I assume) |
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| 04:40.34 | johncarter | indeed! |
| 04:40.41 | johncarter | finally! thank you kindly. |
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| 06:53.13 | MO_Handes | I'm getting this errors, what is the problem ? what packages I am exactly missing? http://paste.debian.net/248832/ |
| 06:54.09 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: which debian release do you have installed? |
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| 06:55.11 | MO_Handes | jelly-home, wheezy |
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| 06:55.17 | MO_Handes | amd64 |
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| 06:56.09 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: alright. Assuming that package is for amd64, what happens when you run "apt-get -f install" right after the attempted installation with dpkg? |
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| 06:57.14 | MO_Handes | it removes the package I installed with errors, the package is for i386 though, I added i386 architecture to dpkg to make it install the package |
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| 06:58.12 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: did you run an update after enabling i386 multiarch? |
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| 06:58.45 | MO_Handes | no, update and upgrade or just update? |
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| 06:59.32 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: just update |
| 06:59.45 | jelly-home | !tell MO_Handes about multiarch howto |
| 06:59.56 | MO_Handes | I didn't add i368 to sources.list I just used dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 07:00.32 | jelly-home | "Don't forget to apt-get update after adding new architectures." |
| 07:01.17 | MO_Handes | I did it now, but the error remains |
| 07:01.42 | jelly-home | sure, now try to run "apt-get -f install" again |
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| 07:02.07 | jelly-home | it ought to be able to find the missing dependencies -- if all of them are available, and they ought to be |
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| 07:03.46 | jelly-home | it's possible the openssl i386 package is not coinstallable next to the native amd64 one; if that's the case you're out of luck. The libraries however should be there. |
| 07:04.22 | MO_Handes | yes, openssl is the missing dependency now |
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| 07:05.22 | MO_Handes | any solution for that? |
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| 07:08.20 | jelly-home | not really; investigate why the package needs it and adapt the dependencies if they're incorrect |
| 07:08.21 | The_Bat | why does freenode include an older nickname into the hostname? |
| 07:08.41 | jelly-home | The_Bat: hm, try asking in the #freenode channel |
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| 07:13.48 | MO_Handes | how to remove all the i386 packages currently installed? |
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| 07:18.22 | beepie | MO_Handes, i dont think thats possible |
| 07:18.26 | beepie | MO_Handes, lol |
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| 07:50.03 | lancelot_of | why /sys/class/hwmon always shitfs fan1_input between hwmon0/1/2 so that i cannot recognize fan rmps in conky in a stable way?is there any other file to cat into conky for fan control? |
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| 07:57.00 | isaias | awesome, lots of people here |
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| 07:58.24 | isaias | I'm using ubuntu...I'm getting tired of it because i keep comming up with lots of errors that no one knows how to fix... so... debian... why should I install debian? someone help me out here :P |
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| 07:59.36 | yeheyuan | hi |
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| 07:59.53 | yeheyuan | offtopic: (call) runs x (put) weed, fifties, oestrogens xxx photo4landing |
| 08:00.11 | SuinDraw | isaias: Because ubuntu spies on you |
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| 08:02.07 | isaias | SuinDraw: sounds scary |
| 08:03.29 | nevyn | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do |
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| 08:05.47 | jpw | isaias: Debian has a steeper learning curve but you are learning how to use one of the oldest and most stable OS' in existance. |
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| 08:06.05 | SuinDraw | Emphasis on oldest |
| 08:06.20 | jpw | lol |
| 08:06.23 | isaias | lol |
| 08:06.34 | |oop | existence |
| 08:06.52 | isaias | stable and learning to use the terminal are the 2main things I'm looking for |
| 08:06.53 | jpw | knows he cant spell |
| 08:06.59 | |oop | jimmy james for president |
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| 08:08.52 | isaias | jpw: can you give me an example on the "steeper learning curve"? If its simple and possible to explain. lol |
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| 08:10.01 | themill | notes that a steep learning curve is a good thing |
| 08:10.19 | jpw | isaias: as with all flavours of linux Debian has its own way of doing thing that may not exist on other distro's. Things like the update-* commands took me a while to get my head around but now I can't live without them. |
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| 08:11.19 | isaias | update-*? I know apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, etc. |
| 08:11.42 | jpw | i mean update-alternatives specifically |
| 08:11.46 | isaias | oh |
| 08:12.46 | jpw | there's a lot more to debian than one fancy command though |
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| 08:14.55 | |oop | how do i query judd for wheezy versions |
| 08:14.58 | isaias | if I download the small installation image, I can get everything the complete instalation image has by downloading it after its installed, right? |
| 08:15.15 | isaias | theres a complete pacage for that so I dont have to go digging around, right? |
| 08:15.22 | themill | isaias: yes |
| 08:15.28 | themill | |oop: /msg judd versions $package |
| 08:15.29 | isaias | good :) |
| 08:15.38 | |oop | thanks |
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| 08:17.14 | jpw | isaias: my preference is getting the netinst image then installing the packages I want from the repositories. |
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| 08:18.14 | isaias | hahaha, I'm getting ready to download Debian when I see "Network boot." Seems more complicated, which I find fun... but nahh, I just want it on my computer now xD |
| 08:18.16 | |oop | hmm thats not working. so /msg judd wheezy iceweasel should work?> |
| 08:18.30 | themill | |oop: versions ≠wheezy |
| 08:18.30 | jpw | isaias: not network boot... |
| 08:18.46 | isaias | jpw: it looked like fun to try, lol |
| 08:18.53 | |oop | is it numerical? |
| 08:18.55 | SuinDraw | Also aptitude > apt-get |
| 08:18.57 | jpw | it is but it needs infrastructire. |
| 08:19.58 | jpw | isaias: excuse me you were right get the small installation image " 32|64-bit PC netinst iso" |
| 08:20.04 | ChrisH | isaias: "network boot" is something for experienced users and needs special setup. "Netinst" is a network based installation from a media (USB, CD/DVD) and is the one you should use. |
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| 08:20.23 | |oop | nm i got it |
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| 08:21.49 | |oop | nm no i dont |
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| 08:22.30 | |oop | so if i wanted to query judd for iceweasel on i386 testing what would i msg |
| 08:22.41 | isaias | jpw: but its my first time with Debian. should I just get the whole package until I get familiar with it?....though the netinst would help me learn and keep track of everything I put into my machine faster than if I installed the whole package... (thinking out loud) |
| 08:23.02 | themill | |oop: what information do you want to query? |
| 08:23.10 | isaias | jpw: how much terminal work would I need to do if I installed the netinst? |
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| 08:23.44 | |oop | which version of iceweasel is running i386 and amd64 testing |
| 08:23.55 | |oop | i read on the web its version 18 or so |
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| 08:24.39 | themill | |oop: no, wheezy will release with the 10 ESR version. You need iceweasel from experimental if you actually want or need something newer |
| 08:24.44 | |oop | but i wanted to confirm |
| 08:24.54 | jpw | isaias: the same amount as if you used CD1. You don't need the full set if you have a decent network connection. |
| 08:25.06 | themill | |oop: (which is what judd told you) |
| 08:25.17 | |oop | and thats still a tradeamark issue? |
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| 08:25.44 | Trewas | funny thing that firefox 10 ESR, the extended support version, was EOLed last year... yet debian will release it sometime soon in stable |
| 08:25.45 | themill | |oop: "that"? the decision about which version to use? |
| 08:25.51 | |oop | correct |
| 08:25.56 | themill | |oop: no |
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| 08:26.39 | |oop | does anyone have any insight into why debian is using an old vceersion of ff sour |
| 08:26.41 | isaias | jpw: wait. how much of the terminal am I going to need to do to get things working? I'm still fairly new to the terminal. |
| 08:26.56 | jpw | isaias: very litte - if any |
| 08:27.18 | themill | |oop: wheezy has the supported version in it from when wheezy was frozen, just as it has that version of gnome, kde, ... |
| 08:27.19 | jpw | debian is installed through a curses based installer. |
| 08:27.26 | Trewas | |oop: testing has been frozen since last summer and no new versions of programs are allowed, which leads to stupidly old versions for some programs when the freeze is way too long |
| 08:27.48 | |oop | i was not aware of that |
| 08:27.50 | |oop | thanks |
| 08:27.58 | themill | and for programs that feel the need to release every 5 minutes so they have big version numbers |
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| 08:28.14 | |oop | well there have been some major changes since version 10 |
| 08:28.38 | |oop | for firefox i mean |
| 08:28.43 | isaias | jpw: ok. I just want to get everything working before going to sleep. I'll play with the terminal a bit in the morning :P |
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| 08:29.17 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.37 | jpw | isaias: good work. get the netinst iso run it and all will become clear. It's not complicated it does guide you. |
| 08:29.43 | |oop | sue them for what |
| 08:29.47 | peterrooney | isaias: the biggest factor in how much terminal work you do is what you set the debconf priority to. |
| 08:30.19 | |oop | onload in tab loading was a mozilla specific creation |
| 08:30.42 | |oop | js engine performance how would you sue for that |
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| 08:31.02 | isaias | peterrooney: good to know :) |
| 08:31.15 | |oop | everyone else is still creating seperate processes for browsers |
| 08:31.49 | |oop | if everyone could sue cause their browser crashed microsoft would be out of business |
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| 08:32.12 | |oop | and google just takes from mozilla at a discount |
| 08:32.32 | peterrooney | isaias: it's near the bottom of the primary menu. |
| 08:32.48 | |oop | meaning its cheaper to pay them upfront than to simply steal their ideas and fight it out in court later |
| 08:32.59 | isaias | peterrooney: I'll look for it as soon as I install it :) |
| 08:33.05 | |oop | just sayin |
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| 08:33.24 | |oop | i hope wheezy considers a different version for iceweasel |
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| 08:34.43 | |oop | itd whats best for users |
| 08:35.48 | isaias | which one should i download? lol. small, smaller, or tiny? |
| 08:35.49 | themill | there is no way that the version of iceweasel is going to change in wheezy; newer iceweasels will be available from backports or mozilla.debian.net as usual. |
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| 08:36.41 | jpw | isaias: small (netinst) there's a link on the top right corner of the home page. |
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| 08:37.49 | |oop | yup thats what i pretty much figured |
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| 08:38.12 | |oop | thanks. judd just wouldnt have stated it the same way |
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| 08:39.01 | isaias | oh wow. download is 120x faster than I thought it would be |
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| 08:47.34 | jpw | appologies - meant to ask in #debian-offtopic |
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| 08:51.13 | wolf85kunst | Hello everyone |
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| 09:09.09 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 09:09.48 | Nebukadneza | i've got a little problem installing a certain version (i.e. downgrading) a set of packages with aptitude, that i do not understand. apt-cache policy shows me a certain version as available, and i try aptitude install pkg/version, but it says it cannot find this version: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?756 ... what am i doing wrong? |
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| 09:11.51 | themill | Nebukadneza: package=version or package/repo not package/repo |
| 09:12.06 | Nebukadneza | dooooough |
| 09:12.11 | Nebukadneza | i *could've* seen that one |
| 09:12.11 | Nebukadneza | thanks |
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| 10:11.11 | local | hi all. Anyone can tell me how I can use bold and underline attributes in IRC chat here on freenode ? I am using irssi |
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| 10:14.10 | xand | local: ask in #irssi ? it's the same as other networks - but channels with mode +c will have the formatting removed |
| 10:14.58 | jelly | also, many channels frown on colors and bold if used (in excess) |
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| 10:15.17 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 10:15.44 | cousin_luigi | I think my root volume is dying, is there any way to test a CF for hardware faults while mounted? |
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| 10:16.14 | oo_miguel | is it possible that tomcat is not writing any log files? |
| 10:16.20 | |oop | we all die but not all of us truly live |
| 10:16.30 | oo_miguel | i just use the version that ships with my squeeze distro |
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| 10:16.36 | oo_miguel | apttiude install tomcat5 |
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| 10:16.43 | jpw | local: like this? |
| 10:16.45 | oo_miguel | apttiude install tomcat5.5 i mean |
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| 10:20.00 | oo_miguel | oops im on lenny |
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| 10:20.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell oo_miguel -about lenny |
| 10:21.19 | babilen | oo_miguel: And we are /very/ close to releasing wheezy, which ... well you could/should upgrade to very soon to. |
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| 10:22.13 | oo_miguel | babilen: Personally I run squeeze and hope to upgrade to wheezy soon. I just noticed one of our company servers runs lenny :P |
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| 10:23.17 | oo_miguel | I will forward our admin the message about lenny , from dpkg ;) |
| 10:23.31 | jelly | you can start worrying when you find a server running sarge! |
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| 10:41.34 | Gromgull | So on a 64bit system - any reason why I would want to stick with the -686-pae kernel and not -amd64? |
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| 10:44.19 | themill | Gromgull: not all out of tree modules and kernel features are available with the amd64 kernel and i386 userspace. No idea how things fare now, but things like vbox, vmware, suspend-to-disk etc used to be a problem |
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| 10:45.37 | Gromgull | themill: but I have a 64bit install - most of userspace should also be 64bit? |
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| 10:46.26 | themill | if you have a 64 bit install, then you only have the option of the amd64 kernel and not the 686-pae kernel |
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| 10:54.44 | Gromgull | themill: so I do - I had aptitude running in the wrong terminal and was looking at a remote machine - sorry for the confusion! |
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| 10:57.51 | local | jpw xand what is the syntax for using bold or underline ? (in case the channel is not on +c) ? |
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| 11:00.12 | jpw | local: ctrl+[meta+]b inserts the character for bold unsure of the others though - google it. |
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| 11:01.15 | local | jpw what is meta? Ctrl+Shit+ - does work for me. But I cannot do bold |
| 11:01.28 | local | test |
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| 11:02.00 | jpw | esc is my meta key and the default in tmux. |
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| 11:12.42 | NeaNs | local: meta is the windows key |
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| 11:13.58 | local | Ctrl-B doesnt work, because tmux is cathing the b key.. :( |
| 11:14.41 | jpw | Hence you use Ctrl+ESC+B |
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| 11:15.25 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 11:15.41 | jpw | hmm odd, it doesn't always work... |
| 11:16.38 | cousin_luigi | What's the cleanest way to launch a command on startup? No daemon or anything. |
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| 11:18.13 | jpw | cousin_luigi: what command? |
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| 11:19.02 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: what startup? System or DE or ? |
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| 11:20.13 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: system |
| 11:20.26 | cousin_luigi | jpw: need to echo someting inside a node into /sys |
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| 11:20.44 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: create a start script in /etc/rcX.d/Syzsome-useful-name |
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| 11:21.35 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: can it be a simple .sh with no arguments or return codes or anything? |
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| 11:23.10 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: read /etc/init.d/README for details, but it can be a simple shell script but not following the stuff from the README can result in issues while migrationg from SystemV startup to something newer-better-less reliable-more fancy |
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| 11:25.36 | rdz | hi all. i get this error when upgrading to a self-made package: http://paste.debian.net/248864/ the error says that is trying to overwrite /etc/vz/dists/suse-8.2.conf however, this file is _not_ part of the vzctl (4.2-1) package as stated in the error (it is part of the new package vzctl-core). what is going on here? |
| 11:25.40 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: k |
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| 11:27.40 | ChrisH | rdz: I assume you did check dpkg -L vzctl 4.2-1 | grep suse-8.2.conf and dpkg -S /etc/vz/dists/suse-8.2.conf |
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| 11:29.04 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.05 | dpkg | ii vzctl 4.2-1 | grep suse-8.2.conf fails because the package is not installed 2.9-4 rdz's private stamp collection |
| 11:29.35 | rdz | oops. dpkg -L triggers something |
| 11:29.45 | rdz | dpkg -L vzctl |
| 11:29.46 | dpkg | ii vzctl 2.3-3.2 rdz's private gamp collection |
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| 11:30.38 | themill | Gromgull: heh :) |
| 11:30.39 | rdz | ChrisH, i performed the first check by unpacking vzctl_4.2-1.deb to /tmp/vzctl |
| 11:30.52 | rdz | and the file it says is _not_ part of that package.. |
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| 11:31.55 | rdz | however, it is part of the old vzctl 3.0.24. that is why i put Breaks: vzctl (<< 4.0) and Replaces: vzctl (<< 4.0) into the vzctl-core 4.2-1 package |
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| 11:32.47 | basiclas_ | Hi guys can anyone point me to a decent learning to use debian guide? For learning how to navigate CLI and install packages etc. |
| 11:32.49 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: how do I make sure my script is executed after another one? Is there a better way than simply picking a higher number inside /etc/rc*.d? |
| 11:33.17 | themill | rdz: looks like a old conffile that dpkg is still tracking. moving conffiles between packages requires considerable care |
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| 11:33.34 | themill | dpkg: tell basiclas_ about debian-handbook |
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| 11:34.21 | basiclas_ | themill: looks good thanks |
| 11:34.40 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: they are executed in the same order as they show up using ls -l S* you have 2 options to play with. /etc/rcX.d and SYZ X for the runlevel and YZ to place the script between the others |
| 11:35.44 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: what's SYZ? |
| 11:36.36 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: create a start script in /etc/rcX.d/SYZsome-useful-name ... simply run ls -lR /etc/rc?.d/S* and you should unterstand what I mean. |
| 11:38.00 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: ok... |
| 11:38.04 | cousin_luigi | thanks |
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| 11:39.49 | rdz | <themill> [...] moving conffiles between packages requires considerable care |
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| 11:40.14 | rdz | themill, yeah. that conffile was previously in vzctl 3.0.24 and is now in vzctl-core 4.2-1 |
| 11:40.35 | rdz | themill, i though that Replaces: and Breaks: can be used to solve that conflict |
| 11:40.43 | rdz | is this not the case with conf-files? |
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| 11:41.14 | rdz | i could alternatively merge the two packages vzctl and vzctl-core to vzctl 4.2-1.. is this recommended? |
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| 11:51.11 | basiclas_ | what is the command m-a in CLI? :) |
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| 11:52.51 | basiclas_ | i manpaged it, but nothing . the full line in the tutorial i was following is : # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
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| 11:54.25 | petn-randall | basiclas_: module-assistant |
| 11:54.25 | rdz | basiclas_, /usr/bin/m-a is from the package module-assistant |
| 11:54.43 | basiclas_ | ah thankyou :) |
| 11:55.00 | stava | I plan on running debian 6.0 on a low end VPS. Could you recommend a good provider in europe? I'd like the ability to upgrade the hardware further down the road as well |
| 11:55.31 | stava | By "low end VPS" i mean something such as 256 mb ram, 1 cpu core |
| 11:55.52 | petn-randall | stava: Amazon EC2? The micro instance is for free the first year. |
| 11:55.52 | jelly | good or cheap? :-) |
| 11:56.11 | stava | jelly: Both, if possible. The price should be reasonable, but I value support highly |
| 11:56.38 | stava | petn-randall: I'll check that out, thanks! |
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| 12:03.00 | ChrisH | stava: I only know Hetzner in Germany as some of our customers haye their systems there. We had once a mayor power outage there and they acted and informed very professional. |
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| 12:08.39 | doda | anyone using a laptop with clickpads? |
| 12:09.05 | doda | debian testing doesn't work |
| 12:10.21 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 12:10.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:20.24 | petn-randall | doda: ^^ What doesn't work? The touchpad? Everything? Just clicking? |
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| 12:21.06 | ChrisH | What is a clickpad? |
| 12:21.22 | Towzzer | a touch mouse pad |
| 12:21.48 | doda | petn-randall: right clicking |
| 12:22.36 | doda | i copied my configuration from archlinux, but it seems that because of differences in xorg version it doesn't work |
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| 12:23.21 | rdz | themill, ChrisH: i solved my packaging problem by substituting Breaks: with Conflicts: in vzctl-core |
| 12:24.11 | rdz | this will remove the old version of vzctl completely before installing the new version |
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| 12:25.05 | rdz | (i first though that is what is Breaks: is for, but apparently it is not. According to the docu, breaks: allows both packages to be unpacked at the same time during installation) |
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| 12:29.24 | babilen | doda: What doesn't work? |
| 12:29.42 | doda | right clicking |
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| 12:30.21 | babilen | doda: How do you want to right-click and how did you configure it now? |
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| 12:33.06 | doda | http://paste.debian.net/248882/ babilen the bottom part sets up the clickpad |
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| 12:34.25 | doda | i disabled gnomes mouse settings, now i have click with one finger and 2 finger middle click(both are declared in the TapButton section), but no right click |
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| 12:35.27 | babilen | doda: Might be the old bug that made "Match |
| 12:36.03 | babilen | doda: Might be the old bug that made MatchDevicePath necessary, try adding it there too. You can also test these with synclient. |
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| 12:36.49 | doda | mhm will do |
| 12:36.50 | doda | brb |
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| 12:37.23 | babilen | judd: bug 630965 |
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| 12:37.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/630965 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (open): «[linux] "no supported touchpad found" (please add a MatchDevicePath directive to 50-synaptics.conf)»; severity: minor; opened: 2011-06-19; last modified: 2011-06-19. |
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| 12:49.31 | doda | what, no irclog for today? |
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| 12:57.24 | Rahul_21 | please can any1 help |
| 12:57.40 | babilen | !ubuntuirc Rahul_21 |
| 12:57.41 | dpkg | Rahul_21: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 13:07.29 | lilibox | hi |
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| 13:08.09 | tomiondrums | I'm running debian squeeze on our lab workstations and at present KDM uses gnome as the default window manager. |
| 13:08.09 | tomiondrums | How do I tell KDM to use KDE as the default window manager for new users? |
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| 13:10.57 | doda | tomiondrums: do you have /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc |
| 13:11.12 | doda | the default session is there i think |
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| 13:12.56 | tomiondrums | doda: there isn't even a /usr/share/config directory |
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| 13:13.18 | grn | I'm building two debian packages from the same source. I'd like to version them separately. How can I achieve that? |
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| 13:15.05 | MrMonkey1 | give me your password! |
| 13:15.39 | MrMonkey1 | yes, I AM SERIOUS |
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| 13:15.54 | ChrisH | MrMonkey1: Here is mine: fe]eCh3xie |
| 13:16.08 | MrMonkey1 | no not you, the other guy... |
| 13:16.22 | ggherdov | Hi all. How to know if package XYZ is installed on my system? |
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| 13:16.33 | ggherdov | what was that apt-get option... |
| 13:16.40 | ggherdov | or was it dpkg ... |
| 13:16.41 | grn | ggherdov: dpkg -l package-name |
| 13:16.45 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 13:16.45 | ChrisH | ggherdov: dpkg -l or aptitud search xyz |
| 13:16.49 | ggherdov | grn: thnak you |
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| 13:17.26 | tomiondrums | doda: i've got a kdmrc in /etc/kde4/kdm |
| 13:17.27 | grn | ggherdov: you're welcome |
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| 13:18.22 | babilen | tomiondrums: Run "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" and select what you want there. |
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| 13:19.24 | tomiondrums | babilen: that's what i was looking for! thanks a lot!! |
| 13:19.28 | doda | yeah that would be it |
| 13:19.44 | TheWarden | I'm trying to auto install of the OS and having it install Nvidia drivers for GeForce 610M. I manually downloaded the deb packages and then had them installed via the postinstall script as shown here https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b |
| 13:19.55 | TheWarden | However I have no video after the OS install. |
| 13:20.24 | TheWarden | I ran apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade and this is what I got back, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8ecc45bf3c091810b25e |
| 13:20.59 | babilen | tomiondrums: If you /really/ want to override settings in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc do so in a file in /etc/default/kdm.d/ as documented in /usr/share/doc/kdm/README.Debian (and /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc itself) -- It also looks as if KDM ships a kdmrc reference/handbook that explains the options. |
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| 13:21.28 | TheWarden | What I'm confused about is it says I need at least three more packages installed as they are dependencies. However as you see when I run apt-get -f install its going to remove the packages for nvidia. Suggestions, links, etc? |
| 13:22.25 | babilen | tomiondrums: You should almost never edit anythin in /usr/ and quite a number of packages/programs allow you to override default configurations by creating small configuration files in the respective .d directory (the .d simply means directory) -- Settings on those typically shadow/override those in /usr/ and that default configuration file respectively. |
| 13:22.44 | TheWarden | The other part that is odd I noticed is that its stated that I need dependencies glx-diversions and libgl1-nvidia-glx yet in the postinstall.sh its stated to install those packages as shown here, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8468da50307b0e53d32b |
| 13:23.26 | babilen | tomiondrums: But KDM simply runs the default Xsession on first start (AFAICT) and then the /last/ user selection. By changing the x-session-manager to KDE you'll start KDE by default if you run/use the default Xsession script. |
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| 13:23.48 | babilen | tomiondrums: In short: I /think/ that you simply have to run the command I mentioned earlier and select KDE in order to achieve what you want. |
| 13:23.59 | babilen | (haven't tried it as I neither use KDM nor KDE) |
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| 13:24.39 | MrMonkey1 | TheWarden, that's really strange |
| 13:24.55 | TheWarden | argh what's even more anonying is that the fact that if I attempt to do apt-get -f install it asks for a CD to install the packages. I can't use a CD there is no optical drive I'm doing this off USB or via Internet. |
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| 13:25.49 | blip2 | TheWarden: |
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| 13:26.04 | blip2 | TheWarden: you need to setup you /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:26.15 | blip2 | it will still have the CD in it |
| 13:26.41 | blip2 | your* |
| 13:26.46 | TheWarden | So I guess I have two directions with this, one some how fix the issue now or find out what exactly deb packages I need to install to get Nvidia driver support for GeForce 610M. I thought I had all the necessary packages but I guess not. I'm really not sure here. |
| 13:27.11 | blip2 | get apt-get update working first |
| 13:27.16 | blip2 | then try it :] |
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| 13:27.42 | TheWarden | okay, what the heck. How dod that CD entry get in my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 13:28.05 | blip2 | which version of debian are you installing? |
| 13:28.11 | TheWarden | Squeeze |
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| 13:28.27 | TheWarden | my backports entry is gone as well in the sources.list, what the heck. |
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| 13:28.57 | blip2 | yeh the squeeze installer is/was a bit broken when using USB |
| 13:29.05 | blip2 | its much better with weezy |
| 13:29.07 | MrMonkey1 | blip2, shouldn't every install come with binutils at least? it's weird thewarden's thing shows he doesn't have it |
| 13:29.09 | blip2 | wheezy* |
| 13:29.24 | MrMonkey1 | ohhh |
| 13:29.39 | MrMonkey1 | bullet = dodged :D |
| 13:29.47 | TheWarden | blip2: oh well up until now installing via USB its been working great. mmm is this CD repo put in automatic because I'm installing via USB? |
| 13:30.00 | blip2 | it's just part of the install script |
| 13:30.17 | blip2 | get rid of that line and make sure there are lines for squeeze main etc and security |
| 13:30.21 | blip2 | then do apt-get update |
| 13:30.32 | blip2 | and apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:30.37 | blip2 | see what happens :D |
| 13:30.47 | TheWarden | to do because of USB iunstall? I've never seen this before on other systems... wait a sec I installed my servers via USB and I don't have that entry in those. |
| 13:31.12 | blip2 | as I said the squeeze installer is a bit dodgy installing from USB |
| 13:31.23 | blip2 | i've had similar problems, mostly with grub though ._> |
| 13:31.51 | blip2 | I'm pretty sure I had the CD line sticking in the sources file a few years ago |
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| 13:32.02 | blip2 | using 6.0.7? |
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| 13:33.22 | TheWarden | yes I'm using that line. Ahh I see I do have that and I just never noticed it on the server... its commented out. |
| 13:33.34 | blip2 | yeh |
| 13:33.40 | blip2 | the installer should comment it out |
| 13:33.51 | blip2 | maybe your install broke somewhere in the middle |
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| 13:34.04 | TheWarden | mmm I made the changes to sources.list but when I run apt-get upgrade it still brings up the same thing https://gist.github.com/thewarden/8ecc45bf3c091810b25e |
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| 13:34.32 | blip2 | and hitting Y after that? |
| 13:34.46 | TheWarden | trying now with apt-get -f install |
| 13:34.52 | blip2 | yeh just let it run |
| 13:34.55 | TheWarden | as the apt-get upgrade didn't prompt to install |
| 13:35.05 | blip2 | then try installing the nvidia stuff once you have the basics :D |
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| 13:36.53 | grn | can aptitude download a source package? |
| 13:37.35 | TheWarden | well it only removed xserver-xorg-video-nvidia this time and it appears all errors are fix. rebooting to see if this fixed the video. |
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| 13:38.18 | ironmunk | grn: apt-get source |
| 13:38.19 | themill | grn: no, use apt-get source |
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| 13:39.02 | TheWarden | ahhh crap that didn't fix it... it starts gdm3 and it just sits there with a blank screen with a blinking cursor top left. can't do anything unless I SSH in. |
| 13:39.11 | hfrsk | can a limit be put on the cpu through linux either than the process priority or niceness? |
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| 13:40.06 | TheWarden | argh.... I just wanted to get nvidia drivers from backports so it would support the GeForce 610M. Now I have no idea what I need to do in order to get this to work. mmmm |
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| 13:51.36 | mentor | hfrsk: Yes |
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| 13:53.09 | hfrsk | mentor: ok, how? |
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| 13:58.15 | mentor | hfrsk: Depending on what exactly you want to limit, ulimit or cgroups, I think |
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| 13:59.16 | flux242 | hi, I've added experimental into my apt sources to install xfce4.10. But if I try to install it apt tries to remove almost the whole system including running kernel sic! (check apt output http://pastebin.com/nYtCWJPW). What I'm doing wrong and how to install xfce4.10 then? Thanks |
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| 14:00.18 | jelly | flux242: do you have a sid system installed? |
| 14:00.32 | flux242 | yes |
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| 14:02.11 | mentor | flux242: I'd look at it using aptitude |
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| 14:03.21 | jhutchins_wk | flux242: What does the name "experimental" suggest to you? |
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| 14:03.59 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: "possibly not completely useless" |
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| 14:04.25 | mentor | jhutchins_wk: That's not a particularly useful comment |
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| 14:05.18 | flux242 | I'm thinking to install xubuntu 13.04 actually |
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| 14:06.06 | jelly | flux242: if you're not averse to switching distros, sure, it's probably going to be easier to set up in the start |
| 14:06.59 | allure | Hi! If I use "rsync -avz -e ssh ... " and someone deletes a file from where I've been pulling, is it deleted from the destination of the rsync too? |
| 14:06.59 | rdz | hi all. how to enable file locking on a Debian NFS client? |
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| 14:07.30 | doublehp | which package for a pastebin ? |
| 14:07.33 | jelly | flux242: you can also take notice of what apt/aptitude wants to remove, and reinstall it later, or use hints for the aptitude command line problem resolver |
| 14:08.05 | flux242 | jelly: no thanks, it's too red eyed for me |
| 14:08.37 | flux242 | if I wanted to fuck with the system I'd install gentoo |
| 14:09.15 | jhutchins_wk | allure: No. |
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| 14:09.29 | allure | jhutchins_wk, only if I use -d, right? |
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| 14:09.34 | jhutchins_wk | allure: You have to explicitly specify deletion of missing files. |
| 14:09.35 | allure | jhutchins_wk, thank you very much :) |
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| 14:09.54 | allure | jhutchins_wk, thank you :) |
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| 14:13.00 | doublehp | i have Xrandr, but not DRI; any one can help ? (if you want to see my Xlog, tell me which pastebin Ican use, pastebinit is broken) |
| 14:14.09 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Solutions are chipset dependent. |
| 14:14.31 | doublehp | ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M] |
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| 14:15.05 | xgl | hi all ! |
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| 14:17.11 | doublehp | so ? |
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| 14:17.54 | doublehp | ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M] |
| 14:18.04 | hfrsk | there is a utilitie for windows that can pull text information out of a window control content saver (http://jacquelin.potier.free.fr/), Can you do this on Linux?? |
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| 14:19.30 | galex-713 | Hi, when, under Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze, from GNOME2, in « Shutdown » (I guess, not sure because I've set it to french so it say « Éteindre »), in « System » menu of the GNOME menu, there is no « hibernate » option anymore. And when my computer is in critical battery state, a GNOME notif say that it can't hibernate, so my computer cannot anymore hibernate… How to fix that? |
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| 14:20.06 | hfrsk | , 'control content saver' |
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| 14:22.54 | hfrsk | copy text out of a list field, for example maybe add/remove software, or nautilius |
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| 14:26.56 | ggherdov | Hi all. I have a program (called tortoisehg) that just... disappeared from my system. Here I query dpkg to ask where is the baby gone http://bpaste.net/show/I0i3BdPZFn8jZwWnviWl/ , but I can't quite interpret the result. Can anybody understand/guess what's happened ? |
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| 14:28.12 | FloJpg | hi guys, i'd like to create a samba share where user can push and rename files but not delete... any idea if it's feasable ? |
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| 14:29.46 | Towzzer | ggherdov, package was removed |
| 14:29.50 | Towzzer | but the config files are still there |
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| 14:30.09 | ggherdov | Towzzer: ah. removed by me or during an update ? |
| 14:30.19 | ggherdov | is it possible to tell? |
| 14:30.56 | sharky | FloJpg, you can share two different directories, give the one write persmissions to upload and the other only read permissions and move all incomming files from the upload directory to the read-only with script or so |
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| 14:31.13 | ggherdov | Should I reinstall? it's a weird situation, never happened before. |
| 14:31.31 | jarco | How can I completly shutdown my debian machine? When I do "shutdown now" it just stays on in maintenance mode |
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| 14:31.53 | FloJpg | sharky, OK but it's not a good method for me ^^ |
| 14:32.02 | sharky | jarco, as root "poweroff" |
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| 14:32.23 | jarco | thanks sharky. |
| 14:32.35 | sharky | jarco, ;) |
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| 14:32.54 | jarco | Is this a recent behavior change or is it just a difference between debian and the red hat based distro's? |
| 14:33.03 | doublehp | FloJpg: you need to use a filesystem that will have such restriction, or look at ACL |
| 14:33.16 | tensorpudding | is there a package for "debugging" kernels in debian? |
| 14:33.25 | doublehp | FloJpg: or just copy file to a RO directory as root |
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| 14:33.47 | tensorpudding | i want to diagnose this system freezing bug but the kernel log doesn't contain any helpful information |
| 14:34.29 | doublehp | tensorpudding: depends how far you want to go; you probably want to rebuild with full debug features |
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| 14:34.54 | tensorpudding | i really don't want to have to deal with configuring a kernel again |
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| 14:35.05 | tensorpudding | lots of tedious work |
| 14:35.16 | tensorpudding | and in all probability it won't help |
| 14:35.24 | ggherdov | Towzzer: thanks anyway. I found the problem, unmet dependancies. |
| 14:35.44 | sharky | tensorpudding, you can just use the old .config file from the already built kernel and just compile it with "make" |
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| 14:36.03 | tensorpudding | but that won't make a different kernel, will it? |
| 14:36.26 | sharky | it will give you more information in the log, before the freeze |
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| 14:36.35 | sharky | there is no other way to debug a kernel |
| 14:37.13 | sharky | and that information from the log you can send it in the Linux Kernel Mailing List where the developers can take a look and resolve it |
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| 14:37.45 | tensorpudding | i don't think it's a kernel bug, necessarily |
| 14:38.00 | tensorpudding | i'm thinking it's a hardware problem, but it's insidious |
| 14:38.01 | sharky | also they are capturing the log normally with serial console connected to another machine |
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| 14:39.06 | sharky | it may be, but if you want to debug on kernel level that is the way I am aware of, maybe the other guys here have other suggestions too |
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| 14:39.46 | tensorpudding | i set up rsyslog to send logs to a remote machine, the logs contained no information |
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| 14:40.02 | kysse | good work then |
| 14:40.04 | alfplayer | FloJpg: you can search the web for write-only directory or drop-box |
| 14:40.37 | tensorpudding | i wonder if i can pinpoint it by stress testing software |
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| 14:41.14 | tensorpudding | is there any such software for, say, gpus? |
| 14:41.28 | sharky | well testing is the way, either stress or just using the machine and observing when does it happen, how often and so |
| 14:41.29 | ChrisH | tensorpudding: which logs did not contain anything? on the remote syslogd side? |
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| 14:41.56 | tensorpudding | ChrisH: the logs that the buggy machine sent to remote did not contain any information before the time of the crash |
| 14:42.11 | tensorpudding | it happens completely randomly |
| 14:42.14 | tensorpudding | without warning |
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| 14:42.22 | tensorpudding | there is no single app that causes it |
| 14:42.54 | tensorpudding | it sometimes would crash after five minutes, but yesterday it lasted all day |
| 14:43.02 | tensorpudding | and only messed up this morning |
| 14:43.08 | ChrisH | tensorpudding: did we discuss this yesterday? Then consider a HW problem. I had similar things when the capacitors around the CPU failed |
| 14:43.13 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 14:43.33 | tensorpudding | i think it is a hardware problem but i want to know which part |
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| 14:43.56 | jparkton | time to break out the multimeter |
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| 14:44.04 | jparkton | check continuity |
| 14:44.07 | jparkton | :P |
| 14:44.11 | tensorpudding | i don't have one, i don't have any idea what i'd test |
| 14:44.28 | sharky | tensorpudding, when the machine freezes, did you see a kernel log output on the screen? It is also called oops |
| 14:44.39 | tensorpudding | no, it's not an oops |
| 14:44.54 | tensorpudding | nothing responds at all, it's like the machine is frozen in time |
| 14:45.13 | jparkton | Does anyone know of a package or a way to sync my system calendar with my google calendar? |
| 14:45.18 | sharky | and what do you see on the screen? |
| 14:45.20 | tensorpudding | the graphics still display, it's not a black screen |
| 14:45.36 | tensorpudding | it'd be like if it was stuck in an infinite loop, but the cpu isn't taxed at all |
| 14:45.42 | jparkton | CPU Spikes? |
| 14:45.46 | jparkton | Oh |
| 14:45.48 | tensorpudding | if anything, it's like the cpu just stopped |
| 14:46.12 | jparkton | weird |
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| 14:46.44 | sharky | tensorpudding, so it just freezes and you see lets say the last application that you were working with on your screen? |
| 14:46.51 | tensorpudding | yes |
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| 14:47.16 | sharky | what happens when you restart with the button, after such a freeze? |
| 14:47.21 | jparkton | Graphics drivers fail maybe? |
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| 14:47.30 | ChrisH | tensorpudding: I grabbed my soldering iron and replaced about 10 Cs and the system is up and running again. The CPU simply stopped then. Powercylcing fixed it a while, the Time-delta was getting shorter and once it box did not come up again. |
| 14:47.54 | tensorpudding | it's a laptop, i don't have a reset button |
| 14:47.59 | tensorpudding | when it happens, i power cycle |
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| 14:48.31 | sharky | yes I mean the power button |
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| 14:49.18 | sharky | so it is working after you power it down and up again? |
| 14:49.21 | Trewas | tensorpudding: ivy bridge? they used to freeze just like that, but it is supposed to be fixed (bug 689268) |
| 14:49.23 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 14:49.30 | tensorpudding | which one is ivy bridge |
| 14:49.47 | tensorpudding | the cpu is a core 2 duo t6600 |
| 14:49.48 | sharky | really seems a hardware problem |
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| 14:50.21 | Trewas | sounds too old to be ivy bridge, they are in ultrabooks etc for the last year or so |
| 14:50.31 | ChrisH | tensorpudding: mcelog activated? |
| 14:50.41 | tensorpudding | i did install it |
| 14:50.43 | tensorpudding | let me look |
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| 14:50.53 | tensorpudding | nothing in the log |
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| 14:51.13 | ChrisH | tensorpudding: all look like a HW problem to me. |
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| 14:51.40 | sharky | I would suggest to 1. test you RAM (you know after reboot memtest+ or so) 2. install lm-sensors and start monitoring all available temperatures, hard drive, cpu, gpu 3. check you cpu frequency (is it dynamic or fixed ..) |
| 14:51.40 | tensorpudding | where does mcelog put its messages |
| 14:51.51 | tensorpudding | i already ran memtest+ |
| 14:52.02 | sharky | and yes keep an eye on your logs too |
| 14:52.06 | tensorpudding | i installed lm-sensors, there is only one temp sensor on my machine |
| 14:52.18 | tensorpudding | and it says my cpu is running at 47 C or so |
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| 14:52.30 | sharky | what about gpu |
| 14:52.33 | ChrisH | tensorpudding: /var/log/mcelog |
| 14:52.35 | tensorpudding | gpu? |
| 14:52.45 | tensorpudding | sensors couldn't be detected for it |
| 14:52.49 | tensorpudding | if there are any |
| 14:52.51 | sharky | graphic card |
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| 14:53.13 | tensorpudding | i disabled intel speedstep, the problem persisted |
| 14:53.19 | pxb | I have a local machine with an HTTPd (Debian) and a desktop PC running GNU/Linux (Gentoo). I'd like to mount a directory on the Debian box on the desktop PC so I can edit and access files quickly (Debian runs an HTTPd I use for Web projects and I'm currently transferring files over via sftp). What's the best way to accomplish this? |
| 14:53.35 | tensorpudding | the graphics are integrated intel ones |
| 14:53.44 | yeheyuan | nfs |
| 14:53.53 | sharky | normally the graphic drivers hava a query for the graphic card temperature and settings, for example nvidia |
| 14:54.11 | tensorpudding | i'm using the free intel graphics driver |
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| 14:54.36 | yeheyuan | sanbas |
| 14:54.38 | yeheyuan | samba |
| 14:54.41 | yeheyuan | cifs |
| 14:55.02 | sharky | check if the driver has query that allows you to get some sensor readings, I mean that is the case with nvidia |
| 14:55.44 | tensorpudding | i915 i think it is |
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| 14:56.39 | sharky | I haven't used intel gpu and don't know about it, but you can google it for sure |
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| 14:57.35 | sharky | for example I monitor my nvidia gpu with "nvidia-settings -q '[gpu:0]/GPUCoreTemp -q [gpu:0]/GPUCurrentClockFreqs -q [gpu:0]/FrontendResolution -q [gpu:0]/RefreshRate" |
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| 14:59.29 | tensorpudding | intel's site doesn't list any information on such a thing |
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| 15:00.25 | sharky | if you narrow down your problem to the gpu probably best solution is to replace it and see if the problem is resolved |
| 15:00.34 | tensorpudding | but it's integrated |
| 15:00.45 | sharky | ou |
| 15:01.00 | tensorpudding | i'd have to get a whole motherboard replacement |
| 15:01.10 | sharky | yes |
| 15:01.14 | tensorpudding | it'd cost a few hundred dollars |
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| 15:01.30 | tensorpudding | and if the problem is actually the cpu... |
| 15:01.34 | tensorpudding | or something else |
| 15:01.53 | sharky | well before doing this I would suggest you test your system with different live usbs |
| 15:02.02 | sharky | with different distributions |
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| 15:02.35 | sharky | it may be software problem too |
| 15:03.10 | tensorpudding | and i can't feel all that excited about paying that much money on a laptop that's this old |
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| 15:04.01 | jhutchins_wk | tensorpudding: I have not heard of any problems with the i915 chipsets since the update driver a couple of years ago. |
| 15:04.04 | sharky | it may be a software system bug man, just get some live usbs and test your machine for longer time with them |
| 15:04.32 | sharky | ok I have to go out |
| 15:05.06 | sharky | have a nice day to all |
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| 15:06.33 | tensorpudding | jhutchins_wk: it seems so much like a hardware problem to me too |
| 15:06.45 | mrbean | Hi, I don't see ip6tables in squeze, how come? |
| 15:06.48 | tensorpudding | it's just that the crash hasn't happened in windows, despite me spending plenty of time in windows |
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| 15:08.41 | mumpitzel | I'm trying to control my gpu fan while running the radeon driver. there is now "power_method" file in sys however |
| 15:09.18 | aguitel | any tips to install linux in Acer aspireone 725 model ? |
| 15:09.36 | mumpitzel | there only is a "power" subdirectory in /sys/class/drm/card0/device |
| 15:09.54 | tensorpudding | i think i'll spend some more time in windows, it'll be a win-win: if it crashes then i learn something, if it doesn't then my computing isn't interrupted |
| 15:09.58 | mumpitzel | aguitel: check what wlan you have first, especially when you don't have a LAN connection. Make sure it's supported |
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| 15:10.36 | aguitel | mumpitzel, do you have this laptop? |
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| 15:12.26 | mumpitzel | aguitel: no |
| 15:12.42 | mumpitzel | but afaik it's a atom netbook. there shouldn't be any big problems |
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| 15:14.20 | mumpitzel | aguitel: my bad. it's a AMD C60 based one. still: use wheezy RC1 and it should be OK |
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| 15:15.00 | aguitel | mumpitzel, i will try |
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| 15:16.00 | aguitel | mumpitzel, it comes wit windows 8 uefi bios and gpt partition |
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| 15:19.00 | petn-randall | aguitel: UEFI is still a little tricky. Make sure to install it in UEFI mode if you use UEFI for windows. Also, secure boot has to be deactivated, otherwise you can't install it. |
| 15:19.35 | aguitel | and what about gpt ? |
| 15:19.59 | petn-randall | aguitel: GPT is fine. |
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| 15:21.18 | aguitel | what iso image is better to install ? |
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| 15:21.25 | mumpitzel | "better"? |
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| 15:21.52 | echo083 | openoffice or libreoffice ? which one should i take ? |
| 15:22.04 | babilen | echo083: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 15:22.12 | echo083 | babilen, debian squeeze |
| 15:22.13 | jhutchins_wk | Seems like they're pushing w8 on all of the laptops at MicroCenter these days. |
| 15:22.14 | aguitel | from wheezy |
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| 15:23.15 | babilen | echo083: In that case you want openoffice -- libreoffice could be installed from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) though, but you might want to consider upgrading to wheezy if you find that you install a lot of software from backports. See "/msg dpkg release notes wheezy" and "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for help with that. |
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| 15:23.44 | echo083 | babilen, thanks for this answer :) |
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| 15:24.51 | babilen | ,v libreoffice |
| 15:24.52 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; sid: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-1; experimental: 1:4.0.2~rc2-2 |
| 15:25.23 | babilen | echo083: ^^^ -- I would personally recommend to run wheezy if this is your personal box. (and therefore use libreoffice) |
| 15:25.36 | ksuhku | libreoffice ftw |
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| 15:26.04 | echo083 | babilen, why not ... i'll do it tomorrow ;) and try libreoffice from squeeze-backports until then |
| 15:26.05 | mumpitzel | anyone running kernel 3.7 with a radeon card and radeon KMS drivers? I'm missing /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_method |
| 15:26.15 | babilen | echo083: fair enough, have fun! :) |
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| 15:26.23 | echo083 | babilen, thx ! |
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| 15:26.30 | babilen | mumpitzel: Where is that kernel from? |
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| 15:27.18 | mumpitzel | debian. 3.7-trunk-amd64 |
| 15:28.01 | babilen | mumpitzel: Ah, alright. Mind trying the current 3.8 ? |
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| 15:28.23 | mumpitzel | would have to reboot and right now a 160GB ddrescue run is pending :) |
| 15:28.30 | mumpitzel | but I will try soonest, yes |
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| 15:29.20 | mumpitzel | tho, why does uname -a say something about "experimental" with this 3.7? |
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| 15:29.52 | mumpitzel | might have needed that for hostapd? (experimental I mean) |
| 15:29.55 | babilen | mumpitzel: Because it is [from experimental] ? |
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| 15:30.27 | babilen | mumpitzel: The current kernel in wheezy and sid is 3.2 -- 3.8 is only available from experimental. |
| 15:30.31 | babilen | judd: kernels |
| 15:30.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 15:30.56 | mumpitzel | I guess it was needed for hostapd, yes |
| 15:31.17 | jelly | babilen: where is my 3.9!?!?!?! |
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| 15:31.29 | babilen | jelly: I eated it! |
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| 15:34.13 | pagios | whats a good tool to see in realtime my network card uplink/downlink throughput? console level |
| 15:34.34 | jpw | pagios: checkout iftop and ifstat |
| 15:34.38 | petn-randall | pagios: iftop |
| 15:34.40 | jelly | pagios: iptraf, perhaps |
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| 15:35.43 | pagios | tx |
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| 15:36.35 | jelly | and rx, too! |
| 15:36.41 | jpw | ooh iptraf looks cooooool |
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| 15:37.00 | anew | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c2794345f20a75600079 anyone see anything wrong with these crontab logs |
| 15:37.04 | anew | my script is not running |
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| 15:37.35 | babilen | anew: On raspbian? |
| 15:37.42 | anew | yes |
| 15:38.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell anew -about raspbian |
| 15:38.41 | babilen | anew: You want #raspbian in that case (I think we have been over this in the past already, so please remember it ) |
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| 15:38.53 | jpw | iptraf killed my tmux :( |
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| 15:39.03 | anew | oh i forgot |
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| 15:39.21 | jelly | jpw: I think you mean: "iptraf UNCOVERED A BUG in tmux" :-D |
| 15:39.41 | jpw | jelly: english is a subtle language |
| 15:40.00 | jpw | yes i did |
| 15:40.35 | petn-randall | Hmmm, does tmux have any features over screen? |
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| 15:40.44 | petn-randall | (never tried it, I must admit) |
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| 15:41.06 | jpw | petn-randall: verticle splitting to start |
| 15:41.55 | seekanet | is there a way i could wget multiple files at once? |
| 15:42.14 | mumpitzel | seekanet: wget <url>& |
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| 15:42.19 | jelly | seekanet: run multiple wget instances? |
| 15:43.17 | Leoneof | hello, i can't mount internal partitions ext4 with any file manager like nautilus, thunar, it gives me message "Not Authorized" , i don't know what happened but i was able to mount before :\ |
| 15:43.46 | seekanet | jelly, are you asking me, cause i dont know |
| 15:44.37 | jelly | seekanet: it's an obvious suggestion, not a realy question |
| 15:44.40 | jelly | real* |
| 15:44.50 | seekanet | jelly, so why do you add an ? to it. |
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| 15:45.01 | jelly | rhetorics! |
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| 15:45.08 | seekanet | lol |
| 15:45.29 | seekanet | mumpitzel oh |
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| 15:47.46 | neon | how to install acrobat in squeeze? |
| 15:48.13 | jpw | has an aneurysm |
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| 15:48.43 | jpw | neon: you mean adobe acrobat? |
| 15:49.14 | mumpitzel | Guest63578: or actually adobe acrobat reader? |
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| 15:50.11 | neon__ | yes adobe's |
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| 15:51.47 | jpw | huh, what do you know there is a linux version of acrobat for linux. |
| 15:53.05 | jpw | neon__: I suggest downloading it from the adobe website and following their instructions. There's unlikely to be a package. |
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| 15:53.27 | seekanet | mumpitzel; wget -i is what i needed. |
| 15:53.28 | neon__ | there used to be a package "acroread" |
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| 15:54.25 | passstab | how do i make my external drive mount as executable? |
| 15:54.26 | jpw | neon__: wiki.debian.org/PDF |
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| 15:55.07 | mumpitzel | passstab: what filesystem is it? |
| 15:55.15 | CissWit | note for firefox, the last version (19) includes a js pdf reader which is useful if what you want is the acroread plugin for firefox |
| 15:55.33 | passstab | the latest is 20 |
| 15:55.43 | CissWit | i should update :) |
| 15:56.02 | CissWit | still, the js pdf viewer was included by default with the 19 version |
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| 15:56.07 | passstab | um fat IIRC |
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| 15:59.26 | mumpitzel | !tell passstab about vfatrw |
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| 15:59.47 | passstab | mumpitzel, thanks |
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| 16:03.52 | Miesco_ | !upgrade |
| 16:03.53 | dpkg | i heard upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 16:04.27 | Miesco_ | !squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:06.57 | Leoneof | anyone? :) |
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| 16:07.14 | somiaj | Miesco_: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:07.29 | somiaj | Miesco_: unless you need to show the factoid to others in the room, best to talk to the bot in private. |
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| 16:10.42 | Miesco_ | Do I change squeeze/updates to wheezy/updates? |
| 16:12.27 | seekanet | Miresco; remove those lines,and the result you should have only two, replace those two lines of text "squeeze" to "wheezy" |
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| 16:12.43 | passstab | mumpitzel, it's actually ext4 |
| 16:13.02 | somiaj | Miesco_: yes, you will evenntally want wheezy/updates from security.debian.org in your sources.list |
| 16:13.24 | Miesco_ | Well... do I remove them or change them? |
| 16:13.24 | somiaj | Miesco_: right now the source exist (you can have them just fine) but there are not really anything being put into the sercurity sources just yet |
| 16:13.48 | Miesco_ | Okay so just have them wheezy/updates? |
| 16:13.53 | somiaj | I would keep them there, so you don't have to add them later |
| 16:14.07 | Miesco_ | I have a fifth line: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free |
| 16:14.08 | somiaj | (they just won't have packages in them until wheezy is stable) |
| 16:14.09 | Miesco_ | Keep this? |
| 16:14.12 | seekanet | That isnt what the bot suggests somiaj :( |
| 16:14.45 | somiaj | seekanet: the security.debian.org wheezy/updates were only added recently, and wheezy has been around a lot longer than that |
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| 16:15.04 | somiaj | Miesco_: this is a personal opinion. Many do not like deb-multimedia sources. My suggetsion is comment them out during the upgrade |
| 16:15.10 | somiaj | Miesco_: but if you like them, add them back in after. |
| 16:15.18 | Miesco_ | somiaj: Okay |
| 16:16.08 | jhutchins_wk | Miesco_: Second the motion. Do the regular upgrade first, then do multimedia. One of the problems with dmm is that the system may not smoothly upgrade packages that were from dmm to newer mainline packages. |
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| 16:22.41 | jhutchins_wk | In my opinion, Christien deserves a LOT more respect than the current developers are giving him. He single-handedly made Debian a viable desktop option for years when it would not have been without his work. |
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| 16:24.05 | somiaj | is Christien the person who made deb-multimedia? |
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| 16:26.14 | BOY77X | http://www.reddit.com/r/XXXBITCHINBEACHXXX/comments/1c53ca/naked_yoga_with_lyubov_shumeiko/ |
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| 16:28.09 | no_gravity | Good Evening! |
| 16:28.16 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Yeah, Christien Malirat (with apologies if I misspelled him) |
| 16:28.56 | no_gravity | Can you guys think of a way to make a screenshot of a window. Not only the part that is displayed on screen, but the whole window? I would like to screenshot a website. |
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| 16:29.30 | petn-randall | somiaj, jhutchins_wk: Christian Marillat, the deb-multimedia guy? |
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| 16:30.41 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Depending on your desktop, there are different tools that do that. For automated stuff you can use wkthtmltopdf to take "pictures" of websites. |
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| 16:32.24 | no_gravity | petn-randall: hmm... before installing that, i would probably rather print into a pdf. |
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| 16:33.39 | petn-randall | no_gravity: wkthmltopdf will render the website and output in various formats and sizes. It's a great tool if you want to generate "preview" pictures of links. |
| 16:34.04 | petn-randall | no_gravity: But I'm getting ahead of myself. What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 16:34.47 | no_gravity | petn-randall: screenshot a website |
| 16:34.56 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I sometimes wish debian was easier to make third party repos for, because most seem to not do a good job. But yea deb-multimedia gets more hate than it deserves. |
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| 16:36.24 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Try gnome-screenshot |
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| 16:36.54 | no_gravity | petn-randall: that only shoots the visible part |
| 16:37.42 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I sent a wishlist bug into libreaddvd because the methods it gives for obtaining libdvdcss are way to much of a pain, when you can download a single deb from deb-multimedia and it works. It was rejected because it was deb-multimedia |
| 16:37.49 | petn-randall | somiaj, jhutchins_wk, apparently CM fell out with the debian-multimedia team, though I never could quite follow how it all started. |
| 16:38.16 | petn-randall | no_gravity: I just opened mine at it has 1) Grab the whole screen 2) Grab current window 3) ... |
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| 16:38.58 | petn-randall | somiaj, jhutchins_wk, at some point it escalated up to the DPL who askes him to move to a different domain. |
| 16:38.59 | no_gravity | petn-randall: which debian is that? (numeric please, i never can remember all those wheezy tomato pinguin names) |
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| 16:40.25 | Tinned_Tuna | heya, I'm trying to work with the python3.1 package, but virtualenv -p python3.1 is failing -- is the virtualenv package on python just too old? |
| 16:40.36 | petn-randall | It's quite sad that so much effort got wasted in the whole process. Imagine where Debian would stand now with multimedia if they had joined forces instead. |
| 16:40.42 | somiaj | petn-randall: I never really paid that much attention. compiling custom mplayer packages I never needed deb-multimedia. I like that it is there, but wonder why 3rd party repos always have such a hard time mixing nicely with offical debian repos (even mozilla.debian.net's repo has some strangeness about it) |
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| 16:41.18 | Tinned_Tuna | Traceback here: http://bpaste.net/show/uVguOxPDSHyz2u7xd3QW/ |
| 16:41.38 | mumpitzel | are there any localized debian Live ISOs out there? |
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| 16:42.10 | no_gravity | petn-randall: which debian version do you use? |
| 16:42.10 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: IIRC they're all multilingual. |
| 16:42.11 | somiaj | mumpitzel: if you don't see one at live.debian.net, best bet is to use their tools and create your own |
| 16:42.27 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: CM pretty much is the debian-multimedia team. They had discrepancies with how he was naming his packages, and started hassling him for using the "debian" name and generally giving him a hard time. |
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| 16:43.05 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: He's done the work of making the more proprietary formats available, and paid for hosting them out of his own pocket for years. |
| 16:43.12 | axgb | Hi, I am not sure which distro of linux to install |
| 16:43.29 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: CM is pretty much "deb-multimedia". There's also an official debian multimedia team, which adds to the confusion. |
| 16:43.37 | somiaj | axgb: well you should already know the answer you'll get from #debian. (: |
| 16:43.52 | axgb | that is true |
| 16:43.52 | jpw | axgb: somiaj: Debian :D |
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| 16:44.16 | dexta | preevening |
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| 16:44.46 | axgb | I used to have Ubuntu, but then I decided to use debian instead, and now I am having lots of problems with it, and I am not sure |
| 16:44.52 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: My opinion is not that much biased to any side. On the one hand, CM brought many tools to Debian which Debian vanilla simply can't host (partly for legal reasons), on the other side that repo is causing the debian multimedia team to have more support queries about packages that even theirs. |
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| 16:45.35 | axgb | The problems I have are with the installation of software |
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| 16:45.57 | petn-randall | axgb: I recommend to pick one distro, and stick to eat while trying to fix the bugs you have. Too many people switch around distros every time they run into a problem, which causes them more pain and troubles in the end. |
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| 16:46.10 | somiaj | axgb: you just have to be careful with software. Dependencies are a big issue so you can't just install any old .deb or software on debian |
| 16:46.21 | axgb | should I stick with debian |
| 16:46.24 | scorphus | hello, how do I pass vga mode to the debian installer? I need vga=312 |
| 16:46.32 | petn-randall | axgb: Which software specifically is causing you problems? |
| 16:46.46 | somiaj | axgb: we of course thing you should, but that is a personal opinion in the end |
| 16:46.58 | axgb | I typed sudo apt-get install cups, and that gave an error message |
| 16:47.14 | petn-randall | axgb: So you're pondering to change the distro?! |
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| 16:47.32 | axgb | I'm genuinly not certain |
| 16:47.43 | petn-randall | axgb: How about you paste the error you get, and we give you hints. ==> http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:48.06 | dokma|2 | can a switch of driver from radeon to fglrx cause xine to crash? |
| 16:48.16 | axgb | thanks, I is on a different computer, i am starting that up now |
| 16:48.18 | petn-randall | axgb: Also, the content of /etc/apt/sources.list in the paste, please :) |
| 16:48.23 | dokma | I can't figure out what is wrong with it.... |
| 16:48.52 | scorphus | ah! Tab! =D |
| 16:49.01 | scorphus | right under my nose |
| 16:49.04 | petn-randall | dokma: Last time I checked, fglrx replaces some libgl files, so definitely yes. |
| 16:49.08 | axgb | Yes, that is the list of sources for packages, is that correct? When I first installed, for some reason some things were missing, but another meber of community fixed that |
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| 16:49.32 | dokma | petn-randall: vlc works just fine |
| 16:49.36 | axgb | What is the reason I cannot just install any old .deb |
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| 16:49.46 | zro | if I add "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" to "/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf" shouldn't 127.0.0.1 be prepended to resolv.conf? or is that not what that means? how do I get 127.00.1 prepended to resolv.conf? |
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| 16:50.09 | somiaj | dokma: did you reboot when changing drivers |
| 16:50.20 | dokma | somiaj: yes |
| 16:50.20 | petn-randall | axgb: Because dpkg -i <somerandompackage>.deb will not resolve dependencies, and might in fact not even be for your release. |
| 16:50.34 | somiaj | dokma: check 'glxinfo' did you install fglrx correctly so you actually have glx support, maybe try 'xvinfo' as well |
| 16:50.50 | dokma | glxinfo segfaults |
| 16:50.55 | somiaj | actually xvinfo is what I ment |
| 16:50.57 | axgb | I am aware that .debs need to be the correct for the release, but what is the reason? |
| 16:51.03 | somiaj | sounds like your glx drivers are in a bad state dokma |
| 16:51.13 | dokma | hmmm.... |
| 16:51.15 | somiaj | axgb: because of the dependencies |
| 16:51.18 | dokma | will try and update |
| 16:51.31 | somiaj | dokma: yea something is wrong with your driver install. you should not segfault |
| 16:51.41 | petn-randall | axgb: I've seen some .debs do really crappy things like delete or overwrite files, which will cause a lot of pain in the long run. |
| 16:51.44 | axgb | I have uploaded it onto pastebin |
| 16:52.00 | petn-randall | axgb: In general, most .debs you can download somewhere are of poor quality. |
| 16:52.16 | axgb | what is the best way of installing software |
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| 16:52.38 | petn-randall | axgb: Take the software from the debian repository, and use apt-get or aptitude for that. |
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| 16:52.47 | somiaj | axgb: a package has precompiled binaries that are linked to paticular libaries. So that is why you don't mix stable and testing. You need to ensure the packge was built for the libaries on the system you have. Second is many debs don't follow debians policies |
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| 16:52.57 | petn-randall | axgb: Can you paste already the info? |
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| 16:53.45 | scorphus | yay! Debian-installer rocks! Thanks, bye |
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| 16:53.54 | somiaj | axgb: use only offical debian packages and backports...unforntally sometimes there are things that you want that debian does not provide. In that case I thikn compiling your own package is the best. But sometimes you can't do that, and are just left to the whim of the software you want. (for example skype will install in wheezy multiarch but not squeeze anymore) |
| 16:54.17 | axgb | its added now |
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| 16:55.23 | axgb | The issue I have is that lots of software is not avalible on the official debian repository |
| 16:55.45 | axgb | for example firefox, libreoffice |
| 16:55.55 | somiaj | firefox is, it is just called iceweasel |
| 16:56.06 | somiaj | libreoffice is also in debian. IN squeeze it was still called openoffice |
| 16:56.07 | petn-randall | axgb: libreoffice is also available ... |
| 16:56.09 | somiaj | in wheezy it is now libreoffice |
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| 16:56.24 | axgb | i have debian squeeze |
| 16:56.33 | somiaj | so install iceweasel and openoffice |
| 16:56.36 | axgb | if libreoffice 4 is avalible, thats good |
| 16:56.39 | somiaj | or openoffice.org (that might be the package name) |
| 16:56.46 | axgb | ok |
| 16:56.48 | somiaj | you don't even get libreoffice 4 in whezy |
| 16:56.48 | petn-randall | axgb: I recommend wheezy for a desktop system. Squeeze is rather old for that (IMO). |
| 16:56.50 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: any one I use boot always to english with english keyboard layout |
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| 16:57.19 | axgb | I downloaded debian from the official website, and it was squeeze |
| 16:57.19 | axgb | How do I update |
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| 16:58.36 | somiaj | axgb: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:58.38 | bazhang | axgb, /msg dpkg update |
| 16:58.46 | bazhang | whoops sorry somiaj |
| 16:58.49 | somiaj | axgb: and it is called upgrade (update is something different) |
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| 16:59.01 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: I just checked, after the grub prompt you select the language and keyboard layout. Which ISO are you using? |
| 16:59.13 | somiaj | update only gets the info from packages from the net, upgrade actually upgrades your packages to the newest version |
| 16:59.46 | petn-randall | and upgrade just keep your current release up-to-date, it doesn't upgrade to a newer version. |
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| 17:00.24 | axgb | so update is to have the newest packages, and upgrade is to install a newer version |
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| 17:00.44 | axgb | Also, I put on pastebin the issue I had with sudo apt-get install cups |
| 17:00.50 | petn-randall | 'apt-get update' just gets the newest package lists. I doesn't download the newer packages. |
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| 17:01.11 | petn-randall | axgb: Yes, I'm still waiting for that one :) |
| 17:01.16 | axgb | Yes, I remember, i understand |
| 17:01.23 | axgb | I pasted it, petn-randall |
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| 17:01.33 | axgb | i titled the post "axgb! |
| 17:01.37 | petn-randall | axgb: ... and the link is? |
| 17:02.03 | axgb | go onto paste.debian.net and see recent posts |
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| 17:03.16 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: 6.0.7 amd64 lxde |
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| 17:03.40 | mumpitzel | mumpitzel: but I put the ISO on a usb stick with YUMI |
| 17:03.45 | mumpitzel | so there is no grub |
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| 17:04.33 | axgb | petn-randall go to paste.debian.net/248938 |
| 17:04.58 | petn-randall | axgb: ... |
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| 17:05.13 | axgb | yes |
| 17:05.31 | petn-randall | axgb: That's not an error message. You've configured apt-listchanges to show you updates of the NEWS file. |
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| 17:06.01 | axgb | i do not know what that is |
| 17:06.04 | petn-randall | axgb: Just press "q", then it'll install fine or ask you to confirm with "y". |
| 17:06.32 | petn-randall | gotta go, laters. |
| 17:06.44 | axgb | thank you for help, I can install now |
| 17:07.15 | axgb | how do I install flash - to watch youtube, and similar |
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| 17:07.42 | somiaj | axgb: you need to first make sure you have the contrib (and also useful non-free) repos installed |
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| 17:07.54 | somiaj | axgb: if you have them, it is just 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 17:08.38 | axgb | are there any package managers I can install, like similar ones to Ubuntu software centre |
| 17:08.53 | axgb | because that was there, but in the past I just typed sudo apt-get install flash |
| 17:08.57 | somiaj | axgb: synamptic (though I wouldn't suggest it) |
| 17:09.10 | somiaj | axgb: in this case type 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' like I just told you |
| 17:09.14 | axgb | why would not you reccommend it |
| 17:09.18 | somiaj | I personaly say you use aptitude curses over synamtic |
| 17:09.50 | axgb | I mean in future if there is a package with a different name to what it is just called |
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| 17:10.02 | somiaj | synamptic doesn't always play nicely with apt. I have seen issues with it. If you only use synamptic it most likely won't be an issue, but when you get advice here we suggest apt-get/aptitude and things sometimes creap up |
| 17:10.04 | axgb | should I use aptitude |
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| 17:10.31 | somiaj | if you want some sort of software center, just type 'sudo aptitude' on a terminal and you'll get a curses based software center (note you can't use the mouse in it) |
| 17:11.01 | axgb | what is curses based mean? does it mean that it is controlled by keyboard only |
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| 17:11.33 | somiaj | axgb: curses is the name of the libary that allows you to position things nicely in a terminal/console |
| 17:11.39 | axgb | ok |
| 17:11.42 | axgb | I understand |
| 17:12.23 | axgb | how do i install simple, basic, ordinary firefox? |
| 17:12.47 | axgb | not to be rude, but instead of iceweasel |
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| 17:12.59 | jeet | how do you manage your hard disk in terminal? |
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| 17:13.05 | jeet | hi |
| 17:13.19 | somiaj | axgb: you can goto firefox's download page, and download a static linked version of firefox |
| 17:13.24 | axgb | ok |
| 17:13.26 | somiaj | axgb: just extract this into your $HOME dir and run it |
| 17:13.44 | somiaj | axgb: do not run it as root and do not copy any of it onto your system, just run it form your $HOME dir |
| 17:13.49 | somiaj | jeet: what doy ou mean manage? |
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| 17:14.13 | somiaj | jeet: do you mean commands like cp, mv, ls, cd, rsync (move around the file system and copy, move, remove files) |
| 17:14.25 | somiaj | jeet: or do you awnt something like mc (midnight commander) a curses based file manager? |
| 17:14.33 | somiaj | jeet: or are you wanting to modify parttion tables and the likes? |
| 17:14.53 | axgb | somiaj, i downloaded the tar.bz2 file, is that correct |
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| 17:16.17 | somiaj | axgb: correct, so 'tar xjvr file.tar.bz2' |
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| 17:16.38 | axgb | Excellent, i have it now |
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| 17:16.58 | axgb | now I need to add it to the LXDE start menu |
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| 17:19.09 | axgb | Also, I am on a laptop. How do I configure the function keys (when you press FN and a f key) to do the correct thing |
| 17:19.18 | jeet3 | sorry got diconnected |
| 17:19.24 | jeet3 | how to look what programs take up how much space? |
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| 17:19.57 | somiaj | jeet3: df -h |
| 17:20.03 | LordBrain | When i use "switch user", it logs me out. gnome 2 with gdm3, squeeze. |
| 17:20.09 | somiaj | axgb: You will have to look up this on LXDE, not sure |
| 17:20.19 | axgb | is there a IRC for lxde |
| 17:20.50 | somiaj | axgb: I just did a quick google search, 'lxde add menu item', and this is the first link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=896355 |
| 17:21.06 | jeet3 | df -h shows me how much space i have but not how its allocated |
| 17:21.09 | jeet3 | the used up space that is |
| 17:21.13 | axgb | thank you for all your help |
| 17:21.50 | somiaj | axgb: arg it suggest you add it to /usr/share/applications. I do not like that suggestion. YOu should be able to add the .desktop file into your $HOME dir somewhere, I know not whwere though |
| 17:21.55 | LordBrain | jeet3, you could use the du command |
| 17:22.20 | somiaj | jeet: so you want to figure out where the space is being used, yea du, but you'll have to test different trees |
| 17:22.24 | zro | i can not for the life of me figure out what is overwriting resolv.conf on boot. dhclient isnt running. any ideas? |
| 17:22.28 | LordBrain | i am not sure if it is what you are looking for, but it will tell you for example, how much space is such and such folder using |
| 17:22.30 | somiaj | jeet: for exameple du -h /home will tell you how much space /home is using |
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| 17:24.18 | LordBrain | jeet, i use "du -h -c ." to show how much space everything is using in the current directory and it's subdirectories. |
| 17:24.29 | jeet | can i list the sizes of the directories |
| 17:24.31 | jeet | instead of the files |
| 17:24.32 | LordBrain | the -c gives a total, see the man page |
| 17:24.34 | jeet | oh |
| 17:24.50 | jeet | its doing recursively though |
| 17:24.58 | LordBrain | ok there is the find command |
| 17:24.58 | zykotick9 | jeet: you might want to check out ncdu i find it very handy sometimes. |
| 17:25.20 | LordBrain | it's a bit funky but you can get just the folders and their sizes with the find command probably. |
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| 17:25.42 | LordBrain | or use du -s for summary |
| 17:25.45 | jeet | do you guys have a debian book reference? |
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| 17:26.09 | zykotick9 | from / i also like "du -sh * 2>/dev/null" for the big picture |
| 17:26.23 | jeet | du -h -s seems to be decent |
| 17:26.31 | jeet | same as du -sh |
| 17:26.40 | LordBrain | du -s -h -c * but it will give you files too |
| 17:27.13 | LordBrain | i once made something that did folders only using the find command, but i forget what i did |
| 17:27.36 | jeet | thanks |
| 17:27.38 | jeet | do you guys have a debian book reference? |
| 17:27.45 | zykotick9 | LordBrain: are you aware you don't need: space, dash, option each time? "du -shc *" is a lot less typing. |
| 17:27.50 | jeet | or any hard copy materials? |
| 17:27.56 | jeet | curious what people use |
| 17:29.05 | eni23 | hello.. mabye someone can help me: i cant start x on my notebook anymore. i was working on a file and it freezt |
| 17:29.05 | LordBrain | zykotick9, yeah... for some reason i actually usually write "du -sh -c" i guess i write as i think and the c is an afterthought, but on here i put them separate just so it is extra clear they are separate options. |
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| 17:29.22 | somiaj | jeet: I used experince. I have seen lots of people like the book linux in a nutshell. I do not know of any debian specific book, but the questions you have been asking more more general linux |
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| 17:29.44 | somiaj | eni23: what did you do between when it worked and when it didn't work |
| 17:29.57 | somiaj | eni23: can you get us a copy of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file of a case it didn't work so we can have some clue why |
| 17:30.13 | LordBrain | i am sure there are debian specific books |
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| 17:31.09 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.32 | LordBrain | what was that old tutorial about the swiss army knife unix approach to shell commands that told you lots of the nifty little 2 letter commands? |
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| 17:31.47 | zykotick9 | check out http://debian-handbook.info/ it's available in wheezy's repo even as debian-handbook package :) the books amazing. |
| 17:31.50 | LordBrain | maybe jeet should give that a read, might enjoy |
| 17:32.35 | LordBrain | i forget what it was called |
| 17:32.44 | eni23 | somiaj: so there is nothing in xorg log. see: http://paste.debian.net/248943/ |
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| 17:33.52 | eni23 | somiaj: i have installed another kernel on this machine whitout the fglrx driver and there its the same |
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| 17:34.22 | somiaj | eni23: that is not the whole log file. You have also not given any useful info. What error do you get when it doesn't work. |
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| 17:35.05 | morisono | *nix needs some serious work done as far as proprietary and open-source drivers. All current GPU drivers are so lackluster and bug-ridden.. |
| 17:35.17 | {her|bert} | jeet: perhaps http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
| 17:35.20 | eni23 | somiaj: no error. just a black screen. i was working on a text file then it freezed. i had to cold reset it and from that moment i cant start x anymore. |
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| 17:36.22 | somiaj | eni23: well if it is a hard freeze, you either have fglrx installed incorrectly or bad hardware. |
| 17:38.00 | eni23 | somiaj: yup its a hard freeze. fglrx worked for a year now, so think must be bad hardware. |
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| 17:38.19 | somiaj | well with a kernel upgrade and it happening slightly after |
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| 17:38.24 | tripflex | hey guys so my data center told me they had to replace my motherboard and i think they said that just to deny me the SLA creidts for it being a network problem |
| 17:38.25 | somiaj | it could be you just need to reinstall the drivers |
| 17:38.34 | tripflex | does anybody have any suggestions on how i can go through the logs to see if it was replaced? |
| 17:38.40 | tripflex | i see a lot of entries like |
| 17:38.41 | tripflex | kernel: ACPI: FPDT 00000000cdecd390 00044 (v01 SUPERM SMCI--MB 00000001 AMI 00010013) |
| 17:38.45 | tripflex | but don't know what to make of it |
| 17:39.03 | somiaj | tripflex: you could use lshw (But if you don't have the serial numbers/model number of the privious mobo hard to say) |
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| 17:45.09 | tripflex | yeah already tried that lol |
| 17:45.13 | tripflex | dont have the old one |
| 17:45.16 | tripflex | or what was the original |
| 17:45.23 | tripflex | just wondernig if there's some way to tell through the logs files |
| 17:45.26 | petn-randall | zro: resolvconf will overwrite (didn't see if someone said that yet). |
| 17:45.36 | somiaj | then unless you have some old logs floating around where you can identify a difference in hardware series numbers |
| 17:45.50 | tripflex | well the hdd wasnt replaced |
| 17:45.56 | tripflex | so i ahve logs from before the "replacement" and after |
| 17:46.00 | petn-randall | tripflex: AFAIK there's no way. The serial number isn't in the kernel logs, AFAICS. |
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| 17:46.05 | somiaj | tripflex: network cards mac address could have changed (provided it was onthe mobo) |
| 17:46.19 | somiaj | tripflex: which may appear in the 70-presistant.net file |
| 17:46.36 | petn-randall | somiaj: Good catch, right! |
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| 17:47.21 | tripflex | ah yes very true |
| 17:47.27 | tripflex | good point let me check that out |
| 17:47.38 | gen_user | my 900mb disk space warning always kills an application |
| 17:47.51 | gen_user | how can i set it to a more reasonable value (im going to kill somone) |
| 17:49.10 | petn-randall | gen_user: We're missing context. Where does this warning show up, and which application gets killed? |
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| 17:52.38 | tripflex | yeah im sure zabbix has the old one logged somewhere so checking now |
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| 17:53.28 | tripflex | ah and sure enough |
| 17:53.31 | tripflex | it was replaced |
| 17:53.33 | tripflex | doh! |
| 17:53.48 | tripflex | haha awesome, thanks somiaj i just wanted to make sure they weren't sneaking out of SLA obligation |
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| 17:54.45 | somiaj | tripflex: glad it worked out |
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| 17:55.26 | tripflex | yeah i should have looked at my nms softare to begin with |
| 17:55.27 | tripflex | doh |
| 17:57.15 | petn-randall | tripflex: Well, maybe they changed the mainboard anyway so you can't see through their ruse ... |
| 17:57.24 | petn-randall | puts on tin foil hat |
| 17:57.35 | tripflex | haha oh well |
| 17:57.50 | tripflex | their tech replied telling me that eth1 and eth0 were switched |
| 17:57.58 | tripflex | i was like "unfortunately i call BS" |
| 17:57.59 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.22 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Why is there Compiz-gtk for all debian versions exept wheezy (sid, experimental and even squeeze!!!!!) |
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| 18:03.10 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | and.... all others compiz related things |
| 18:03.57 | zykotick9 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: i believe this is the relavant bug to compiz's removal from wheezy http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864 |
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| 18:05.39 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Ok. I didnt understand anything exept that the wheezy package was buggy. |
| 18:05.58 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | So.... is it safe to use both squeeze and wheezy repos at the same time? |
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| 18:06.07 | zykotick9 | no |
| 18:06.11 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | why |
| 18:06.12 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 18:06.12 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:06.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | XD |
| 18:06.39 | Konomi | it's aliiiivveeeee |
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| 18:07.04 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But. Shouldnt newer packages be used almost everywhere exept if there is no such package? |
| 18:07.19 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: what are you a windows person? |
| 18:07.24 | ompaul | !stable |
| 18:07.24 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 18:07.48 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Yeah. Exactly |
| 18:07.51 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: this is the way of Debian other stuff is a problem |
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| 18:08.29 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Most of the packages (if not all) in wheezy repos are newer than in squeeze |
| 18:08.36 | ompaul | so |
| 18:08.38 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | So apt-get should choose them |
| 18:08.40 | ompaul | squeeze is stable |
| 18:08.44 | ompaul | no it should not |
| 18:08.50 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Why? |
| 18:08.50 | ompaul | you would break squeeze |
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| 18:09.00 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am not on squeeze |
| 18:09.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am on wheezy |
| 18:09.11 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: so then don't mix backwards |
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| 18:09.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | What do you mean "mix backwards"? |
| 18:09.34 | ompaul | stable and testing |
| 18:09.45 | ompaul | wheezy is not quite a stable release (it's almost there) |
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| 18:09.53 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: read the link above |
| 18:10.05 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | for most packages apt-get should choose wheezy as it got the newest packages |
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| 18:10.49 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | (Or can someone tell me about the logic of apt-get) |
| 18:11.01 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: if on wheezy, do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade if you get a new kernel reboot that's the way you go forwards |
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| 18:11.12 | Myrtti | it picks the newest packages for the version of debian you are using |
| 18:11.23 | sooley | hi i need to know what the default root password is on my debian 7 installation |
| 18:11.23 | ompaul | Myrtti's a yay |
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| 18:11.30 | sooley | tried root, no go |
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| 18:11.30 | zykotick9 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: you can't mix repos. compiz isn't in wheezy - face it. |
| 18:11.46 | ompaul | sooley: eh ask whoever installed it |
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| 18:11.50 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Exactly! If i got both lines for squeeze and wheezy? |
| 18:11.53 | ompaul | there is no "default" |
| 18:11.54 | sooley | i did lol but it didnt ask me for one |
| 18:11.55 | sooley | :/ |
| 18:11.58 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | in my sources.list |
| 18:12.03 | sooley | or it did and i totally forgot |
| 18:12.18 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | sooley, Try chrooting into it with something and changing the pass |
| 18:12.28 | sooley | how? im logged in with my user atm |
| 18:12.52 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ? |
| 18:12.55 | phrac | sooley: boot from a live cd and chroot in |
| 18:13.04 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | phrac, Thanks |
| 18:13.08 | sooley | i installed from the windows installer lol since i idnt have any cd-r's |
| 18:13.09 | sooley | :/ |
| 18:13.21 | sooley | can i edit it from the grub? |
| 18:13.32 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | XDDDDD |
| 18:13.43 | MrGeneral | Hello. My disk was apparently full, wrong df -h calculation, I removed the reserved space, tried lots of solutions to get this fixed. What should I do to force the system to check the available disk space? It's wrong |
| 18:13.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Anyone actualy using windows installer? |
| 18:13.54 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | No, rly? |
| 18:13.54 | Myrtti | how times have changed, windows installer on Debian. |
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| 18:14.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | XDDDDDDD |
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| 18:14.41 | zykotick9 | Myrtti: does such a thing even exist? |
| 18:14.51 | Myrtti | zykotick9: apparently so according to Google |
| 18:14.51 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | zykotick9, Comming soon |
| 18:15.22 | zykotick9 | bad idea... more trouble then it's worth i predict. |
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| 18:15.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | So... how do i (a compiz fan) install compiz on my wheezy? |
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| 18:15.42 | zykotick9 | or is this some uefi thing? |
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| 18:17.21 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: you can either join the devs of compiz and fix it or not have it |
| 18:17.26 | axgb | How do I list all the software installed? I did dpkg --get-selections, but then it lists all the uninstalled packages, as well, and I would like installed packages, not removed ones |
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| 18:17.53 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: and then you get to test how unstable it is |
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| 18:18.16 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ompaul, Or as always "add some repo just for a sec" |
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| 18:18.48 | ompaul | !sns |
| 18:18.49 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 18:19.03 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: msg the bot for backports and ssb |
| 18:20.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Erm.... i am not familiar with you bot |
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| 18:21.33 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:21.55 | isaias | I'm new to Debian. Can anyone recommend me a good terminal based irc? The more I see the terminal, the more I'm prone to use it. |
| 18:21.59 | sooley | irssi |
| 18:22.01 | sooley | bitchx |
| 18:22.18 | ChibaPet | erc |
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| 18:22.59 | bw_ | irssi or weechat |
| 18:23.23 | isaias | thats one problem I'm having. I tried installing irssi, bitchx, and even openjdk through the command line and all give me "E: Unable to locate package <filename>" |
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| 18:24.32 | ompaul | isaias: apt-get update && apt-get install irssi |
| 18:24.36 | axgb | I installed lots of desktop enviroments, which came with lots of stuff, some time ago, what is the best way of easily removing all of it |
| 18:25.20 | ompaul | axgb: apt-get remove --purge foo |
| 18:25.27 | ompaul | where foo is whatever you want to remove |
| 18:25.51 | axgb | so if i was to put xfce4 in place of foo, would that remove all the xfce-related stuff |
| 18:26.07 | ompaul | that would be xfce4* |
| 18:26.23 | ompaul | axgb: and be warned it may take out more than you bargain for |
| 18:26.52 | MrGeneral | I'm uploading files to /var/www as non-priviledged user, but it chowns to root, any idea why? |
| 18:26.54 | axgb | I will look through the list of things that it will remove, and see if there is anything I want |
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| 18:27.26 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | How do you think. Is switching over to sid is a good idea? |
| 18:27.35 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: not for you |
| 18:27.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Why |
| 18:27.49 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: it is based on the the "if you have to ask" rule |
| 18:27.55 | axgb | how do i quickly remove all the xfce-related apps |
| 18:27.58 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | XD |
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| 18:28.09 | zykotick9 | isaias: if you really want to get into terminal apps i'd highly recommend learning to use tmux or screen. i'd recommend the former, but screen is the standard multiplexer. |
| 18:28.11 | ompaul | axgb: as I showed you |
| 18:28.17 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | axgb, apt-get purge xfce4; apt-get dist-clean |
| 18:28.27 | axgb | what is apt-get dist-clean |
| 18:28.30 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Ouch. apt-get autoremove |
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| 18:28.33 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I forgot XD |
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| 18:28.44 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | dont use dist-clean. Its my fault |
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| 18:28.53 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | use autoremove |
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| 18:28.58 | axgb | does it remove all packages except a few |
| 18:29.04 | Duality | hoi |
| 18:29.06 | ompaul | axgb: it will ask |
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| 18:29.43 | axgb | so will it ask which packages to remove |
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| 18:30.09 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 18:30.09 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 18:30.36 | isaias | zykotick9, Thank you! I'll definitely look into these more :D |
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| 18:31.06 | dokma | how do I tell what fglrx version I've got? |
| 18:31.36 | ompaul | apt-cache policy foo where foo is the package you want to discover the version number of |
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| 18:35.58 | isaias | ompaul, I was able to install irssi, but where do I go to run it? |
| 18:36.13 | isaias | ompaul, wait, dont tell me, let me try something, lol |
| 18:37.12 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | day 32, i am still scrolling up the deps for compiz-gtk, no predictions when it will end |
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| 18:37.59 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I better install xfce with its own window manager instead then o.o |
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| 18:38.36 | isaias_ | ompaul: Awesome. I got it, lol |
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| 18:38.47 | isaias_ | ompaul: Thank you :) |
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| 18:39.53 | isaias_ | --help |
| 18:39.55 | isaias_ | hmm |
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| 18:40.10 | isaias_ | i need tmux xD |
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| 18:41.24 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ompaul, Who is responcible for bot on this channel? |
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| 18:41.50 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: what is your real question |
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| 18:42.09 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I just got a idea for alternative prefix instead of ! |
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| 18:42.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | its: dpkg --option |
| 18:42.42 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | (eg. dpkg --backports) |
| 18:43.37 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: it does more than you think so I don't think you are on to a winner there |
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| 18:44.17 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | sees how unfriendly this channel is and runs away to #bash |
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| 18:44.40 | franco00 | a question out of curiosity: is there some liveCD like, say, Knoppix, that is capable to boot from a multitude of architectures? It would be neat to carry a usb stick in your pocket and boot from any machine (x86, MIPS, ARM, etc.) |
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| 18:47.14 | ompaul | franco00: you have the itch, you have access to the source, work with the live cd people so it's not called #frankozleetdistro and part of the debian food chain ;-) #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:47.42 | franco00 | ahah ompaul |
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| 18:49.28 | alusion | so thunderbird is icedove |
| 18:49.33 | alusion | -__- |
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| 18:49.53 | Vicissitude | no, icedove is thunderbird |
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| 18:50.33 | alusion | Why does icedove want to remove armory [bitcoin wallet] ? |
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| 18:54.24 | ompaul | ,v bitcoind |
| 18:54.25 | judd | Package: bitcoind on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.3.24~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.7.2-3; experimental: 0.8.1-1 |
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| 19:04.01 | wondiws | how do I insert an arbitrary hex value to my serial port? |
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| 19:04.56 | aandy | i've tried to check if the kernel has it (modinfo -p loop) but modinfo complains about not being able to open modules.dep (although it exists as a 0byte file) |
| 19:05.06 | bitHipy | i ran "apt-src build <package>" and was told "E: Not installed" |
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| 19:05.31 | bitHipy | yet the manpage says "If the source is not installed yet, it will first be installed." under the "build" command |
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| 19:12.39 | relipse | how come I don't have colors in screen (ubuntu), i'm using putty to connect |
| 19:12.52 | socomm | relipse: you're in the wrong channel m8 |
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| 19:17.40 | jordanm | !tell amit` about ati |
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| 19:22.42 | isaias | How do I install Java 7? |
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| 19:24.09 | tachikoma1010101 | isaias: There are many ways depending on which version of java you are trying to install |
| 19:24.48 | isaias | I tried instaling it throught command line but it gave me an error. Could not find ___. I cant remember. |
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| 19:25.15 | isaias | I just want to be able to run minecraft to play with my girl |
| 19:25.20 | tachikoma1010101 | I normally use oracles version. So I download it from Oracle directly and use update-alternatives |
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| 19:26.25 | STMelon | http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en <- works for debian as well oracle java jre |
| 19:26.28 | tachikoma1010101 | isaias: there is a guide on the debian wiki and Oracle(if you wish to get it from them) had instructions |
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| 19:26.54 | STMelon | The repository provides a Debian package with the script and the same support files as in the support tarball. Setting things up is a bit more work, but the script will be properly integrated in your system. Additional advantages: a possibly installed out-of-date sun-java6 installation will be removed completely and if you keep the software source in your list, you will automatically receive updates of the script. The procedure: |
| 19:27.25 | isaias | Oracle's instructions failed |
| 19:27.31 | STMelon | this wont |
| 19:27.38 | STMelon | worked for me on wheezy |
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| 19:28.27 | isaias | STMelon: thank you. I'll look into it right now :) |
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| 19:28.48 | MrAndroid | Hello |
| 19:29.09 | STMelon | isaias: check out that site and look for the repository section on the right, thats what i did and it worked like a charm on wheezy |
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| 19:32.31 | aandy | can someone please point me in the right direction? i can't figure out these kernel modules. some articles say to install "kernel-headers-2.6.x-x-x" which apt doesn't have in sources. i'm trying to compile/get the loop module on squeeze 6.0.3 |
| 19:32.35 | aandy | please |
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| 19:34.30 | kimspindel | 1337 nicks upon joining :) |
| 19:35.03 | aandy | 1337 afks :P |
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| 19:35.08 | kimspindel | :D |
| 19:35.32 | kimspindel | I'm running 64-bit Wheezy and require GLIBCXX_3.4.17 but I require GLIBCXX_3.4.18 for something |
| 19:35.54 | kimspindel | is it possible to get a newer version by installing or upgrading something? |
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| 19:37.47 | aandy | ugh, really, what's going on with debian. asking me to get linux-headers-2.6.32-042stab053.5 which doesn't seem to exist |
| 19:38.08 | aandy | should i just "force" /usr/src/linux -> one of those which actually exist ? |
| 19:38.30 | aandy | (which isn't uname -r) |
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| 19:41.18 | jhutchins_wk | /bin/cat >/etc/issue <<ISSUE_EOF |
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| 19:42.33 | aandy | joe@host:~# echo Help! > /dev/null |
| 19:43.05 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | who puts a cat in a bin?! |
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| 19:43.25 | aandy | pussy |
| 19:43.29 | aandy | maybe? |
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| 19:52.03 | jhutchins_wk | aarcane_: I don't think that's an official debian kernel. |
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| 19:52.16 | jhutchins_wk | aarcane_: Nor do I think you are who I meant to answer. |
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| 19:56.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_wk, well played |
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| 20:01.36 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/248980/ |
| 20:01.41 | Miesco_ | I get these errors while trying to upgrade |
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| 20:13.57 | anddam | is there a user space nfs server in squeeze? I can't find any by searching using aptitude or PDO |
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| 20:16.25 | anddam | in testing either, I only see unfs3 in sid |
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| 20:23.01 | Bernd187 | hi, I have a problem getting dnsmasq only listen to localhost. using debian wheezy |
| 20:23.16 | anddam | is this normal? https://gist.github.com/anddam/5366863 |
| 20:23.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions zynaddsubfx |
| 20:23.33 | judd | Package: zynaddsubfx on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.0-1+b1; sid: 2.4.0-2; wheezy: 2.4.0-2; experimental: 2.4.3-3 |
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| 20:26.14 | axgb | Hi |
| 20:26.32 | axgb | I am trying to install Foo2zjs |
| 20:26.39 | axgb | it says to compile it |
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| 20:27.06 | axgb | Everything works fine until i type the command make, as in instructions, and then it gives an error message |
| 20:27.15 | nmeum | what is the error message? |
| 20:27.50 | anddam | what's the factoid for apt's GPG keys? |
| 20:28.05 | axgb | it says something like "entering directory '/home/ariel/foo2zjs/icc2ps" " nothing to be done for man" |
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| 20:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, bdo key |
| 20:29.03 | dpkg | As backports.debian.org is an official service, installing the debian-backports-keyring package is no longer necessary. Debian Backports release files are signed with the official ftpmaster key. |
| 20:29.04 | axgb | where i closed and opened quotes meant a new line, and each line was preceaded by "make[1]: " |
| 20:29.21 | nmeum | axgb: could you paste the entire error message here http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:29.25 | axgb | yes |
| 20:29.26 | nmeum | ? |
| 20:30.02 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 20:30.06 | anddam | I'm getting "W: GPG error: http://http.debian.net sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" |
| 20:30.35 | anddam | does the "no longer necessary" mean that I had a key and it is the issue now? |
| 20:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Miesco_, see if dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/zynaddsubfx_2.4.0-1+b1_i386.deb gives you an error that's readable |
| 20:31.24 | anddam | I only have debian-archive-keyring installed, not debian-backports-keyring |
| 20:31.26 | axgb | nmeum, i uploaded it to there |
| 20:31.39 | axgb | go to paste.debian.net/248985 |
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| 20:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell anddam about badsig |
| 20:34.54 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: a second update went through, this may be a network corruption on first run, right? |
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| 20:35.06 | isaias | Error: Could not find or load main class net.minecraft.LauncherFrame |
| 20:35.11 | isaias | what does this mean? |
| 20:35.17 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: what does the factoid mean with "check the signature by yourself"? |
| 20:35.17 | isaias | I'm trying to launch minecraft |
| 20:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of... see the last factoid dpkg sent you in a private message |
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| 20:35.29 | anddam | isaias: javapath issue |
| 20:35.42 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: I read that, that's where the quote is from |
| 20:35.54 | anddam | I was already querying dpkg for backports |
| 20:36.11 | anddam | but I cannot go after the apt update in backports |
| 20:36.17 | anddam | due to this BADSIG error |
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| 20:36.38 | anddam | isaias: s/javapath/classpath |
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| 20:38.21 | yucatan | hi where can i find the php file sin debian ? |
| 20:38.29 | yucatan | i dont mean /var/www just the executeable |
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| 20:39.20 | anddam | yucatan: which php, I guess |
| 20:39.41 | yucatan | hmm okay thx |
| 20:39.43 | anddam | yucatan: or list the package content with dpkg -L and grep bin |
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| 20:40.21 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: this is nice, 3rd run -> BADSIG again, 4th run -> clean |
| 20:40.36 | dimitry7 | hi guys. I installed debian from USB but commited the mistake of installing GRUB on the USB instead of in hard drive... how can I fix this? |
| 20:40.56 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: once update goes through I'm fine, right? it's the "will resolve itself" part came true |
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| 20:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, means you can compare the signature manually... compare http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 20:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, fix it? use a different mirror... this one is updating its files or whatever |
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| 20:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, oh, there's an anchor on that page, so... http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_to_manually_check_for_package.27s_integrity |
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| 20:42.47 | anddam | thanks again |
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| 20:43.27 | anddam | I'd like to go the "simple sid backport" way with unfs3 that is in sid but not in stable |
| 20:43.45 | anddam | apt doesn't know it when I try to build-dep it |
| 20:44.28 | dimitry7 | hi guys. I installed debian from USB but commited the mistake of installing GRUB on the USB instead of in hard drive... how can I fix this? |
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| 20:45.04 | anddam | dimitry7: boot with a recovery and install boot |
| 20:45.08 | anddam | s/boot/grub |
| 20:45.17 | dimitry7 | anddam, thank you man! |
| 20:45.21 | axgb | hi, I try to compile and install foo2zjs, and it gives me an error message |
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| 20:45.46 | axgb | when i type in "make" it gives me an error mesage |
| 20:46.06 | anddam | that's enthusiasm |
| 20:46.21 | axgb | its on www.paste.debian.net/248985 |
| 20:47.04 | dimitry7 | anddam, I booted in recovery mode but says #grub command not found |
| 20:47.32 | dimitry7 | anddam, and the USB does not boot debian, it boots grub |
| 20:47.40 | dimitry7 | how can I delete grub from USB? |
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| 20:48.40 | anddam | you don't, you boot in whatever system, then chroot to your partition on the computer (after mounting appropriate fs) and then follow grub2 instructions |
| 20:48.50 | anddam | IIRC it's grub-install to actually install the bootloader |
| 20:49.26 | dimitry7 | anddam, let me see! |
| 20:50.18 | anddam | oh I see, http://packages.debian.org/sid/unfs3 -> avr32 and m68k only |
| 20:50.28 | anddam | that old Mac would be handy now |
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| 20:51.01 | dimitry7 | anddam, I am already in my / partition... USB grub booted the Debian system installed on the HD |
| 20:51.32 | dimitry7 | anddam, the whole system is mounted on / |
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| 20:52.22 | dimitry7 | anddam, is /dev/sda1 |
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| 20:52.39 | dimitry7 | do I do: #grub-install /dev/sda1 ?? |
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| 20:53.29 | anddam | why do you put a dash before command? |
| 20:53.35 | anddam | commands* |
| 20:53.49 | unborn | anddam, good question |
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| 20:54.10 | anddam | dimitry7: sda1 may not be what you think it is if you're booting from usb |
| 20:55.04 | anddam | so there isn't an user-space NFS server in stable or testing, is there? |
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| 20:55.14 | dimitry7 | anddam, it is df s-h ays is 4.3 T |
| 20:55.19 | dimitry7 | by USB is 8 GB |
| 20:55.26 | dimitry7 | df -h sorry |
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| 20:55.55 | dimitry7 | anddam, the bootloader installed in the usb boots my debian installed on the hard drive |
| 20:56.23 | anddam | good, so you already on your final system, just have to install grub |
| 20:56.59 | dimitry7 | anddam, how? |
| 20:57.05 | dimitry7 | I have no INternet access |
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| 20:58.43 | anddam | dpkg: tell dimitry7 about fixmbr |
| 20:59.08 | anddam | you're already at the end, after chrooting |
| 20:59.23 | dimitry7 | anddam, I am on my filesystem |
| 20:59.32 | isaias | I installed debian and my screen is moved to thr right. I see blank space to my left, and I cannot see the scroll bar on thr right when maximized |
| 20:59.37 | isaias | how do i fix this? |
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| 21:00.07 | anddam | dimitry7: I didn't say you are not |
| 21:00.31 | dimitry7 | anddam, but the command says i should mount it |
| 21:00.47 | anddam | also I suggested that you're *after* chrooting |
| 21:01.08 | anddam | that factoid is aimed at someone who cannot boot his system, you can |
| 21:01.49 | dimitry7 | anddam, chroot on an already mounted fs? |
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| 21:03.29 | Bernd187 | I have a problem getting dnsmasq listen only on localhost - using debian wheezy. "listen-address=127.0.0.1" is set in dnsmasq.conf but dnsmasq listens still on 0.0.0.0:53 after restart |
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| 21:04.50 | Bernd187 | is there anything else needed to do? |
| 21:05.02 | dimitry7 | hi guys. I installed debian from USB but commited the mistake of installing GRUB on the USB instead of in hard drive... how can I fix this? |
| 21:05.44 | anddam | dimitry7: from what you ask it seems you didn't read what I wrote |
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| 21:07.01 | dimitry7 | anddam, will I do chroot where? |
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| 21:08.01 | bthomas | Hi, a udev rule (90-wgm.rules) I wrote for a device (http://www.syscompdesign.com/WGM201.html) does not seem to trigger. From what I understand of the various info sources (please see http://pastebin.com/DcZAfvSB) it seems to be because rules in/lib/udev/rules.d/90-hal.rules are being triggered. Renaming 90-wgm.rules to 10-wgm.rules does not seem to help (despite udevadm control --reload-rules). I would be grateful for any help |
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| 21:08.42 | Bernd187 | dimitry7, take a look at http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB => installing grub from live-cd / usb |
| 21:08.49 | anddam | dimitry7: "you're *after* chrooting" meaning that you _don't_ need to chroot, you're *after* that point so you only need to perform the last step |
| 21:11.09 | dimitry7 | anddam, i have already made update-grub and grub-install |
| 21:11.20 | dimitry7 | but it didn't work |
| 21:11.48 | dimitry7 | anddam, also i set the bootable flag with fdisk |
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| 21:12.38 | dimitry7 | Bernd187, I don't have a live CD, jsut the USB with debian in it |
| 21:13.25 | Bernd187 | dimitry7, how I mention - usb-stick also works ... read the link above - medium doesn´t matter |
| 21:14.06 | dimitry7 | Bernd187, I cannot boot the debian ISO in the USB because the USB has the GRUB in it! |
| 21:14.17 | dimitry7 | once I boot from USB... the grub appears |
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| 21:14.24 | dimitry7 | not the normal debian installation |
| 21:14.35 | Bernd187 | dimitry7, are you on linux atm ? |
| 21:14.45 | dimitry7 | Linux Debian |
| 21:14.47 | dimitry7 | 6 |
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| 21:15.35 | dimitry7 | I cannot boot the USB now |
| 21:15.47 | Bernd187 | dimitry7, so just sudo dd if=<your_debian.iso> of=/dev/<you_usb_stick> after that you have a working debian install stick again |
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| 21:16.19 | dimitry7 | Bernd187, let me check that |
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| 21:16.57 | Bernd187 | dimitry7, keep in mind to choose the right dev to not nuke your running system :) |
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| 21:17.29 | dimitry7 | anddam, I fixed it man!!! |
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| 21:20.05 | Miesco_ | apt thinks I have 'fetchmail' but I dont! |
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| 21:21.22 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/248989/ |
| 21:21.30 | Bernd187 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.05 | dimitry7 | Bernd187, thanks for your help dude |
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| 21:22.30 | Bernd187 | dimitry7, you are welcome :=) |
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| 21:23.57 | Miesco_ | What do I do?? |
| 21:24.16 | dimitry7 | :D |
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| 21:28.14 | Miesco_ | How do I tell aptitude a package is not installed? |
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| 21:31.01 | Miesco_ | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the fetchmail package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 21:31.04 | Miesco_ | How do I do this |
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| 21:34.09 | Miesco_ | apt thinks I have 'fetchmail' but I dont! |
| 21:34.11 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/248989/ |
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| 21:34.37 | Miesco_ | I think I interuptted the removal |
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| 21:35.27 | isaias | java -version |
| 21:35.33 | isaias | oops |
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| 21:38.03 | isaias | Error: Could not find or load main class minecraft.jar |
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| 21:38.07 | isaias | how do I fix this? |
| 21:38.30 | Miesco_ | isaias: Set your classpath? |
| 21:39.29 | Miesco_ | What command are you issuing? |
| 21:39.36 | isaias | I've been looking everywhere. its frusterating. |
| 21:39.43 | isaias | I'm trying to run minecraft |
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| 21:45.39 | dimitry7 | hey guys... how can I check if my debian kernel is supporting the hyperthreading capabilities of my Xen CPU ?? |
| 21:45.43 | dimitry7 | ** Xeon, sorry |
| 21:45.51 | Miesco_ | Is this safe? |
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| 21:46.09 | Miesco_ | for i in `dpkg -L fetchmail`; do rm $i; done |
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| 21:46.56 | dimitry7 | dimitry7, do : #dmidecode -t processor | grep HTT |
| 21:47.04 | dimitry7 | hehe, i answered myself :D |
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| 21:48.40 | dimitry7 | hey another question. I am rsyncing a web server... but when I do # rsync -u /folder user@remotehost:/backup |
| 21:49.16 | dimitry7 | it is always updating files... does rsync continuously checks if new files are saved in the origin? |
| 21:49.33 | dimitry7 | or it just checks for what has changed but is never recursive? |
| 21:49.44 | abrotman | Miesco_: why would you do that? |
| 21:49.44 | Miesco_ | K I fixed it :D |
| 21:50.01 | Miesco_ | abrotman: Cause apt thinks I have this package but its deleted |
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| 21:50.18 | Miesco_ | abrotman: I fixed it by that and: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/fetchmail.postrm |
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| 21:50.41 | isaias | how do I uninstall java? ughh |
| 21:50.58 | isaias | rm purge -a java |
| 21:51.01 | isaias | hahaha |
| 21:51.03 | isaias | i have no idea |
| 21:51.35 | abrotman | isaias: for which version of Linux? |
| 21:51.43 | abrotman | Miesco_: hrm, okay |
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| 21:52.26 | Miesco_ | isaias: You didn't answer me, what command are you issuing to run minecraft? |
| 21:52.33 | abrotman | isaias: for which version of Linux? |
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| 21:52.36 | isaias | Debian 6 |
| 21:52.51 | Miesco_ | I think he means the kernel |
| 21:52.53 | isaias | java -Xmx2024M -Xms2012M -cp minecraft.jar |
| 21:52.55 | Tramp | dimitry7: rsync is not recursive, unless you tell it to be. The rest of your question I could not understand |
| 21:53.09 | Miesco_ | isaias: java -Xmx2024M -Xms2012M -cp Minecraft |
| 21:53.10 | Miesco_ | try that |
| 21:53.11 | abrotman | isaias: so why would you want to remove java? |
| 21:53.40 | dimitry7 | Tramp, ok. See, I am worried because the server doesn't finish executing # rsync -u ... |
| 21:54.07 | dimitry7 | Tramp, it seems like if it was updating every new file that is written to disk |
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| 21:54.41 | Tramp | dimitry7: well, that's what rsync typically does .... |
| 21:55.02 | Tramp | ... maybe run with an additional "-v" to make it more verbose |
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| 21:55.20 | isaias | well, after I rebooted, not even that works |
| 21:55.23 | Miesco_ | isaias: java -Xmx2024M -Xms2012M -cp -jar minecraft.jar |
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| 21:55.33 | isaias | It just shows me the commands I can use |
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| 21:56.08 | Miesco_ | I think it might be looking for the class "minecraft.jar" so you have to put a -jar argument, not sure |
| 21:56.13 | dimitry7 | Tramp, but in fact there are not many. It took me 30 min to do the backup (rsync -ar..). but rsync -u ... is taken 4 hours now!!! and it doesn't finish :-/ ... when will it end... I have the -v option but it throws many files.... it seems it is working, updating files, but why so long? |
| 21:56.15 | isaias | now its giving me the same error again. earlier it changed to something else |
| 21:56.17 | isaias | Error: Could not find or load main class minecraft.jar |
| 21:56.40 | Miesco_ | isaias: Well there is no class "minecraft.jar" that is just the compressed archive |
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| 21:57.22 | Miesco_ | isaias: Did you try the one with the -jar switch? |
| 21:57.26 | Tramp | dimitry7: so you have -v but didn't show it. Do you have other options you're hiding from us? |
| 21:57.27 | isaias | yep |
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| 21:57.49 | Miesco_ | java -jar ./minecraft.jar |
| 21:58.11 | Miesco_ | wait what directory are you in? |
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| 21:58.21 | Tramp | (and, btw, "-a" includes "-r") |
| 21:58.26 | dimitry7 | Tramp, -uvtp ... those are all my options. I apologise for not having mention them. |
| 21:59.04 | Miesco_ | isaias: You need to be in the same directory as the .jar or have the classpath set to where the jar is |
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| 21:59.25 | Miesco_ | anyways got to go, there is ##java |
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| 21:59.49 | isaias | Miesco_: I am |
| 22:00.02 | Tramp | dimitry7: hmm. if (1) you have not massively added files and (2) your network speed has not slowed significantly I see no reason, why -u should be significantly slower than -a |
| 22:00.44 | Tramp | dimitry7: maybe someone else has an idea or you could try #rsync |
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| 22:01.00 | dimitry7 | Tramp, I dont know either. I swear I don't have the -a or other options because I noted them down before executing the command. |
| 22:01.22 | Tramp | dimitry7: could it be the network having slowed down? |
| 22:01.55 | dimitry7 | Tramp, not really... the files that are being updated are splashing on screen so fast |
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| 22:02.11 | dimitry7 | transfer is 300kpbs to 400 |
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| 22:02.35 | dimitry7 | is data size is 27 GB |
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| 22:03.44 | Tramp | dimitry7: but why would you have transered 27GB in 30 minutes with rsync -av?? |
| 22:03.55 | Tramp | over 400kbps |
| 22:04.04 | Tramp | s/why/how/ |
| 22:04.35 | Tramp | are you sure it wasn't "-nav"? |
| 22:04.37 | dimitry7 | Tramp, hehe I don't know man... probably the speed was faster |
| 22:04.50 | dimitry7 | Tramp, sure... just -ar |
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| 22:07.00 | Tramp | 1 GB/minute is transferred over 150Mbit/s - so I don't think what you say is correct |
| 22:07.48 | dimitry7 | Tramp, lol... we'll it was probably more |
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| 22:07.58 | dimitry7 | :-( |
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| 22:09.17 | isaias | how do I uninstall java? |
| 22:09.21 | Tramp | dimitry7: over 400kBit, you need about 6 hours/gigabyte, if I got my math right |
| 22:09.23 | isaias | I just came across this error |
| 22:09.26 | isaias | Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jconsole" (No such file or directory) |
| 22:09.39 | Tramp | dimitry7: so your 27GB will take roughly a week |
| 22:09.51 | dimitry7 | :-O |
| 22:09.58 | Corey | isaias: apt-get remove $your_java_package ? |
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| 22:10.03 | dimitry7 | Tramp, but the rsyng -ar took less time |
| 22:10.10 | abrotman | how did he get java7 on squeeze? |
| 22:10.10 | dimitry7 | Tramp, I finished before 11 |
| 22:10.19 | dimitry7 | and I started after 8 |
| 22:10.23 | abrotman | and oracle's java7 at that |
| 22:10.33 | dimitry7 | don't know exactly how long it took but it seemed fast |
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| 22:10.48 | isaias | Corey: ahh, thank you. I have no idea how I forgot that... long day trying to learn to use Debian, lol |
| 22:10.59 | Tramp | dimitry7: Are you syncing on a local Gigabit LAN? |
| 22:11.00 | isaias | well, trying to fix an error |
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| 22:11.35 | dimitry7 | Tramp, no I have this server in Mexico City, here where I work.... the backup is a site in Miami USA |
| 22:12.40 | Tramp | dimitry7: well. Then I honestly don't trust you, when you say you snyced 27 GB in 30 minutes. |
| 22:13.53 | Tramp | dimitry7: I trust you, when you say your speed is now 400kBit/s, but - as I said - then your sync needs days |
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| 22:15.16 | dimitry7 | Tramp, well... trust this: it started after 8 and finished before 11 |
| 22:15.20 | dimitry7 | AM |
| 22:16.00 | dimitry7 | Tramp, Trust me :'( |
| 22:16.19 | dimitry7 | if this shit doesn't finish today I wont sleep :-( |
| 22:16.27 | Tramp | well. Then your speed was a couple of orders of magnitued higher than it is now. Talk to your provider why they switched you from fiber to a modem land line |
| 22:16.29 | isaias | Corey: How do I know what to target when using "sudo apt-get remove --purge" |
| 22:16.44 | dimitry7 | hahahahaha |
| 22:16.53 | dimitry7 | Tramp, dont do this |
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| 22:17.17 | Tramp | I gave you the only explanation I have when I trust all of your other statments |
| 22:18.10 | dimitry7 | Tramp, :'( ... let's forget about the speed... tell me about the -u option.... what does it exactly do? |
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| 22:18.35 | dimitry7 | Tramp, docs say: it updates... but how does the algorith work? |
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| 22:18.40 | dimitry7 | * algorithm |
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| 22:19.58 | Tramp | dimitry7: rsync will NOT change the remote file, if it is newer than the source file (i.e. it was "updated" on the remote side somehow) |
| 22:20.58 | dimitry7 | Tramp, yes I know that. But the thing I want to know is ( is a yes or no question ) ... How many times it checks the files in the source? |
| 22:21.06 | Tramp | dimitry7: also note, that "-u" does not include "-r" (unlike "-a"). So your current "-u" is not recursive |
| 22:21.30 | Tramp | "How many times" is a yes or no question? |
| 22:22.04 | dimitry7 | recursive means: a) it will check many times the source |
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| 22:22.14 | dimitry7 | Tramp, sorry my bad... I am really nervous |
| 22:22.20 | Tramp | but it afaik it checks (stats) all files only once, on startup the file-lists are created |
| 22:22.27 | dimitry7 | or ok ok ok |
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| 22:22.38 | iamnotacat | hi, I want to setup a proxy that modifies a certain web page. So when I visit certainwebpage.com my browser goes to proxy, proxy fetches real web page, but before giving it to my browser it modifies it (for example with sed s/dog/cat/). How can I do this? |
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| 22:23.11 | newuser-2 | how to rebuild kfreebsd |
| 22:23.15 | iamnotacat | preferably not squid |
| 22:23.15 | dimitry7 | Tramp, the recursive option how many times checks per file? |
| 22:23.28 | Tramp | dimitry7: unless you get a plausible explanation for the obvious inconsistence regarding the speeds, this conversation does not lead anywhere, I'm afraid |
| 22:23.49 | dimitry7 | Tramp, the recursive option how many times checks per file? |
| 22:24.00 | dimitry7 | Tramp, believe meee! |
| 22:24.01 | abrotman | iamnotacat: squid |
| 22:24.05 | Tramp | dimitry7: it does not change the number of times the filelist is built. It's just build recursively, i.e. including subdirectories |
| 22:24.19 | dimitry7 | Tramp, perfect |
| 22:24.23 | iamnotacat | abrotman: heh |
| 22:24.35 | dimitry7 | Tramp, this is driving me nuts :-( |
| 22:24.49 | Tramp | dimitry7: If I should believe you, then my answer is: contact your network provider. |
| 22:24.55 | newuser-2 | how to rebuild kfreebsd |
| 22:25.07 | Tramp | dimitry7: login on the remote server and check, how many GB there are |
| 22:25.12 | abrotman | newuser-2: ask #debian-kfreebsd on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:25.33 | Tramp | dimitry7: if your source has 27 GB and your "-ar" succeeded, then on target ther should be at least 27 GB as well |
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| 22:27.43 | iamnotacat | abrotman: anything other than squid? |
| 22:27.57 | abrotman | iamnotacat: another proxy package? |
| 22:28.06 | iamnotacat | abrotman: is it possible in polipo? |
| 22:28.13 | abrotman | never used it |
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| 22:28.40 | iamnotacat | abrotman: ok |
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| 22:48.20 | isaias | what skype do I download? there is no packages for Debian 6 |
| 22:48.23 | isaias | http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ |
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| 22:53.15 | Tramp | isaias: /msg dpkg skype |
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| 22:54.29 | abrotman | how did that go from proxy to skype? |
| 22:55.32 | dude____2 | why would you download a microsoft product without a gun on your head? |
| 22:56.13 | Tramp | knife on your throat maybe |
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| 23:11.50 | UltraHatomiK | hello |
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| 23:14.23 | UltraHatomiK | really, ubuntu is the motor for debian dev ? |
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| 23:15.16 | phogg | UltraHatomiK: no |
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| 23:16.44 | UltraHatomiK | phogg: ok, it s again debian sid > ubuntu ? |
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| 23:21.01 | abrotman | UltraHatomiK: do you have a question related to Debian support? |
| 23:21.37 | Vicissitude | I do. How can I make my mouse wheel scroll a whole page at a time rather than line(s) at a time? |
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| 23:22.17 | phogg | Vicissitude: specific programs may have controls for it. Firefox can accomplish this via extensions. Or do you want it everywhere? |
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| 23:23.13 | Vicissitude | Ideally, everywhere. But it'd be okay if only in the browser |
| 23:24.45 | Vicissitude | I heard some offhand commentary about it requiring some tinkering with X's innards though |
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| 23:28.00 | UltraHatomiK | abrotman: yes, but not for you, only for expert, not for child on ric |
| 23:28.03 | UltraHatomiK | irc |
| 23:28.10 | UltraHatomiK | ptin de ta mere de trou ducul |
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| 23:28.31 | UltraHatomiK | ok abrotman ? |
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| 23:28.41 | UltraHatomiK | or i must repeat |
| 23:28.55 | UltraHatomiK | serious question is not for you |
| 23:29.06 | Corey | UltraHatomiK: Then ask your bloody question already! |
| 23:29.12 | UltraHatomiK | small fuhrer |
| 23:29.18 | phogg | this guy has been in ##linux for a few hours doing the same kind of shtick |
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| 23:30.12 | Corey | And nothing of value was lost. |
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| 23:31.45 | blast_hardcheese | So, I've got a Thinkpad x220t. Recently I've started getting a kernel panic on resume from sleep (and occasionally s2disk). I was able to get a shell again after this last time, so I saved the output of dmesg. If anyone has a chance to take a look, I would really appreciate it: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2013-04-11/stacktrace.log |
| 23:32.03 | blast_hardcheese | It looks like the e1000e module is the culprit, but I'm not sure |
| 23:32.53 | blast_hardcheese | Also, this only started recently (within the past 3 months, and it seems random) |
| 23:33.10 | abrotman | do you even used the wired nic? |
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| 23:33.51 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Yes, when transferring large files on my home network |
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| 23:37.21 | abrotman | okay, just checking |
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| 23:38.08 | blast_hardcheese | Well, my assumption is that it's e1000e, but I'm not 100% sure how to read the trace |
| 23:38.50 | zleslie | Thinkpads are usually pretty good for linux I hear. I am thinking of getting one to run debian |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | zleslie: i love mine, and the one i had before |
| 23:39.06 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: can you pastebin? |
| 23:39.19 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: i see |
| 23:39.20 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Oh, did my link not come through, or do you not click random links? |
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| 23:40.20 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: e1000e is the way it reads to me, but there's an email address to submit the trace |
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| 23:41.13 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: It looks like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685972 might be the same issue |
| 23:42.29 | hetOrakel | d |
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| 23:43.05 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: you sohuld attach your log to that bug |
| 23:43.22 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: is it reproduceable for you ? |
| 23:43.45 | blast_hardcheese | It happens seemingly randomly |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | but it's happened more than once |
| 23:44.04 | blast_hardcheese | yes |
| 23:44.06 | abrotman | append your log to the bug ... |
| 23:44.10 | blast_hardcheese | about a couple times a month |
| 23:44.17 | abrotman | be responsive when Ben asks for more info :) |
| 23:44.37 | blast_hardcheese | OK |
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| 23:54.02 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Posted. Thanks for your help |
| 23:54.14 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: hopefully you get some good help from Ben on that |
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| 23:59.39 | petn-randall | zleslie: If you have the money it's a good investment. |