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| 00:03.58 | graChe28 | hello all! debian/apt newbie here. I'm running wheezy but I need a package that's only available in sid. I believe that means I need to backport it, but I haven't found a guide that explains the process in terms I can't understand. Can anyone link to a guide? |
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| 00:06.14 | graChe28 | ...actually it's available in squeeze if that makes it any easier. |
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| 00:12.15 | Tramp | !tell graChe28 -about simple sid backport |
| 00:14.49 | graChe28 | tks Tramp |
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| 00:14.56 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:21.37 | p0wn3d | anyone know how to use ppa with debian? Or is it best to just install from source. |
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| 00:22.14 | abrotman | p0wn3d: PPAs aren't for Debian |
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| 00:24.56 | jiohdi | p0wn3d, they may not be for debian but they do work if you add them to source.lst |
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| 00:25.40 | jiohdi | I added ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu precise main and got a working java |
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| 00:26.20 | p0wn3d | ok thanks I will try it |
| 00:26.21 | jiohdi | one entry deb one entry deb-src |
| 00:27.23 | jiohdi | p0wn3d, open gedit or some editor as root and you can add them |
| 00:28.01 | jiohdi | your mileage may vary |
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| 00:30.17 | pmo | anyone good with ipv6 + debian on kvm ? |
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| 00:31.10 | p0wn3d | come to think of it a few weeks ago I did get the webupd8 team script to work in debian. It must have been a problem with the autovpnconnect ppa |
| 00:33.07 | dashs | I have 2 servers with interconnected NFS mounts, i.e. each has mounts based on the other. Is there a nice way to arrange boot-up and shutdown that is most seamless? |
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| 00:49.56 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
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| 00:54.14 | frognot | jiohdi: that is not really good advice. Sure a repo downloads and installs a .deb if you add it to sources.list. But, if the installed program is expecting different directory set ups, or output from particular binary executables then you could be looking at creating a bigger problem |
| 00:54.32 | frognot | as apt-get tries to resolve these dependencies. |
| 00:55.31 | MrMonkey1 | hey guys |
| 00:55.44 | frognot | no then, someone that is using ppas, and not installing from source and making their own deb packages, well they are particularly susceptable to having something like this damage their systen |
| 00:55.56 | frognot | s/no/now |
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| 00:57.55 | MrMonkey1 | hey so, has anyone ever accidentally removed alsa so that sounds aren't playing anymore, and stuff? |
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| 00:59.19 | frognot | MrMonkey1: "alsactl init" will make alsa re identify your sound card, if you reinstall it |
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| 01:00.24 | frognot | and do an "aplay -l" i think it is, to see the devices that are recognized |
| 01:01.01 | MrMonkey1 | sweet, thx frognot |
| 01:01.05 | frognot | you might have removed alsa-utils or something like this as well |
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| 01:03.05 | jiohdi | frognot, sometimes there is no other choice but to play dangerous, but his question was could it be done and the answer is yes. |
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| 01:05.17 | frognot | jiohdi: there are other choices. look at the illogic of your advice. The person who can benefit from it, is the one who can suffer. those that dont need it, could use it easily with no problems |
| 01:05.58 | frognot | making it a redundant process to reccomend. its a lot like a chmod 777, sure it works. but there is seldom a case where it is correct |
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| 01:07.33 | jiohdi | frognot, so what is the alternative to ppa? |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | use stow/checkinstall, or make your own package |
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| 01:15.21 | converge | Im looking for some free dynamic dns service, does someone have a suggestion ? |
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| 01:16.59 | abrotman | converge: google can't help you? |
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| 01:17.29 | rtgg | converge, 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 |
| 01:17.31 | rtgg | google =) |
| 01:17.49 | converge | abrotman: when someone tell you about a service/product is much better than read the about us of someone saying about itself |
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| 01:19.37 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | blugh |
| 01:19.58 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | Does anyone have a laptop or something where a certain function key combination makes a character |
| 01:20.01 | acu | hey guys- does anyone know how to clone a KVM libvirt Virtual Machine made on LVM storage ? It seem that the clone on Virtual Manager is not possible, so I guess the only resort is cloning the Logical Volume where the Virtual Machine resides - and that is my question ? |
| 01:20.28 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | e.g. my brightness-up key (Fn-up arrow) makes a ± symbol |
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| 01:27.31 | cmyers_ | running sid now, added experimental, I need to get fglrx-legacy-driver working (from experimental), using a radeon 4890 which new fglrx doesnt support. When I try to install it, it has unmet dependencies. Anyone have it working? |
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| 01:42.20 | rootcit | hi |
| 01:42.24 | rootcit | i need a cloak |
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| 01:42.40 | dvs | take my watch |
| 01:42.43 | dvs | ;-P |
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| 01:43.14 | rww | rootcit: as in the NickServ thing that hides your hostname a bit, or something else? |
| 01:44.08 | rootcit | i want hide my hostname/ip |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | rootcit: wrong channel |
| 01:44.14 | rww | rootcit: talk to #freenode |
| 01:44.15 | rootcit | what is something else ? |
| 01:44.22 | rootcit | okeyyyyy |
| 01:44.26 | rootcit | sorry |
| 01:44.28 | rww | nothing, was just checking you meant what I thought you meant |
| 01:44.28 | rootcit | thanks |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | rootcit: do you have anything Debian related to talk about? |
| 01:45.25 | rootcit | rww can i get specific cloak ? |
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| 01:45.32 | rww | rootcit: ask #freenode about that |
| 01:45.39 | rootcit | alitle |
| 01:45.39 | rww | ( /join #freenode ) |
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| 01:46.49 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 01:48.34 | MrMonkey1 | I broke my linux, guys! :"""" |
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| 01:49.56 | edju | If there was a reason to format a usb stick fat32 in order in order to put Wheezy netinst on it, I've forgotten why. Is fat 32 required? |
| 01:50.21 | themill | putting the installer on the usb stick destroys the filesystem that is on there |
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| 01:52.02 | edju | themill, gparted shows it as fat32. |
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| 01:52.42 | dvs | edju: Doesn't matter it will be overwritten |
| 01:53.03 | lakcaj | Is NFS the preferred method to share directories when all machines are Linux and on the same LAN? |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | probably depends on the purpose of the share |
| 01:53.34 | edju | Sorry, but I don't understand. netinst is already on it. |
| 01:54.34 | lakcaj | abrotman, I need to edit code in a directory on a server from multiple machines. |
| 01:54.47 | themill | edju: what do you mean "netinst is already on it" and how did you do that? |
| 01:54.49 | abrotman | same code? same edits? |
| 01:55.22 | edju | themill, I better check again. |
| 01:55.39 | dvs | edju: You just have an iso file on the fat32 partitiion, dont you? |
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| 01:56.01 | lakcaj | abrotman, the server is a webserver, and I need to remotely edit the python/php/css during development (it's the dev server). |
| 01:56.22 | lakcaj | I'd like to use a share so I can use a graphical editor |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | lakcaj: so, you can do it with NFS or sshfs .. but there are better ways to do that |
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| 01:56.52 | abrotman | lakcaj: you can also use something like clusterssh or dancer shell .. |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | lakcaj: or use a SCM to manage the soruce code |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | or use something like puppet/chef/cfengine/etc to perform tasks on many machines |
| 01:57.32 | themill | abrotman: I think lakcaj has one server and might want to work on the code from different machines not the other way around -- there's only one machine to admin |
| 01:57.47 | lakcaj | right |
| 01:57.59 | edju | dvs, I just mounted it. ls shows the installation files. |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | lakcaj: sure, just mount it up and edit away |
| 01:58.08 | lakcaj | I thought about sshfs but I wasn't sure how "stable" it was. |
| 01:58.14 | themill | lakcaj: (yes, nfs or sshfs would work fine for that) |
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| 01:58.26 | lakcaj | great - thanks guys |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | would rather use sshfs than nfs |
| 01:58.52 | cmyers_ | running sid now, added experimental, I need to get fglrx-legacy-driver working (from experimental), using a radeon 4890 which new fglrx doesnt support. When I try to install it, it has unmet dependencies. Anyone have it working? |
| 01:59.19 | cmyers_ | do I need to give a special flag to make aptitude install deps from experimental also? |
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| 02:07.32 | dvs | edju: What instructions did you follow to put the files on the USB. |
| 02:10.45 | tuv | is there a run-dialog program (e.g. gmrun) that does fuzzy search? (e.g. g-s-c matches gnome-screensaver-command) |
| 02:11.11 | tuv | or one that can search its history? |
| 02:11.55 | edju | dvs, As I remember, i just "cat debian-whatever-it-was.iso /dev/sdb1. |
| 02:12.13 | themill | > |
| 02:12.28 | dvs | edju: Not entirely correct. |
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| 02:13.05 | edju | dvs, Then I forgot. But. nevertheless. the files are on the stick. |
| 02:13.40 | dvs | edju: Then just boot from the USB stick. |
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| 02:14.33 | edju | dvs, dvs Wait, it was "< /dev/sdb1". |
| 02:14.46 | frognot | cat usually is used with a redirector. "cat my_file > my_new_file" otherwise it concatenates to stdout ( your screen ) |
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| 02:14.58 | dvs | edju: That's still not correct |
| 02:15.08 | frognot | so in the case of .iso operating system image, you are concatenating it onto a usb |
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| 02:15.36 | frognot | think about it, read "man cat" and make the command yourself. |
| 02:17.11 | edju | OK, right. >/dev/sdb1 |
| 02:17.12 | frognot | cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX type "dmesg" after you plug your usb in, to see what it is called and replace that with the "/dev/sdX" |
| 02:17.32 | frognot | /dev/sdb1 is a partition |
| 02:17.38 | dvs | edju: Still not correct: /dev/sdb |
| 02:18.09 | frognot | /dev/sdb would be the actual device |
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| 02:50.15 | lf94 | Hey, on wheezy, where are the db*-util dev packages? |
| 02:50.30 | lf94 | I want to compile nvi but I can't without them. |
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| 02:53.15 | themill | lf94: nvi is already in wheezy |
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| 02:53.52 | lf94 | themill: I would like to make changes to the source though |
| 02:54.17 | lf94 | And I am having diffculty getting it to see my db install |
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| 02:54.20 | lf94 | Any tips? |
| 02:54.34 | themill | dpkg: tell lf94 about package recompile |
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| 02:55.35 | lf94 | Heh, thanks |
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| 02:57.00 | rue_shop2 | I have a debian system, gdm3 imploded (said there was an error, didn't go into detail) so I removed it and its friends, working on getting metacity going but the gnome 'registry'? dosn't have the section its sup0posed to ahve for metacity and so metacity is doing things like using black on black for title bars etc, how can I fix this? |
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| 03:17.49 | merpnderp | When I do apt-cache showpkg mongodb and it says the version is 1:1.4.2-2 does that mean the repo contains version 1.4.2-2 of mongodb? |
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| 03:22.21 | themill | merpnderp: no release of debian has that version of mongodb, but yes, that would indicate that the upstream version 1.4.2 is available. |
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| 03:23.32 | themill | (note that apt-cache showpkg $package isn't the easiest to read; apt-cache show $package is better) |
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| 03:24.43 | merpnderp | themill: thanks a million. I'm coming from the rpm world so this is all new to me. 'show' says the version is :Version: 1:2.0.4-1ubuntu2.1 |
| 03:25.05 | merpnderp | That's still pretty old, but this is Ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 03:25.29 | themill | merpnderp: so that's telling you that version 2.0.4 is what you have (the 1: is a version epoch and -* is the packaging revision. It also says you should be asking in #ubuntu. |
| 03:26.13 | merpnderp | themill: thanks |
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| 03:33.40 | themill | i336_: stop ircing as root... |
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| 03:37.52 | i336_ | fixed. |
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| 03:39.54 | i336_ | I'm trying to build an SDK for an old PDA which, for ABI compatibility, requires gcc 2.95. for whatever inexplicable reason debian 3.0 failed to build libstdc++-v3, so I just tried to install debian 4.0r9. |
| 03:40.20 | i336_ | I can't figure out why but for whatever reason this refuses to install with some kind of debootstrap error I can't remember |
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| 03:41.39 | i336_ | so my question is, I need a system with gcc 2.95, so what do you recommend? 3.0 doesn't work and 4.0r9 refuses to install, I think because I'm trying to boot the copied-out contents of the ISO through grub because my CD burner is being silly atm. |
| 03:41.54 | i336_ | so I don't really know what to do... any advice would be appreciated. |
| 03:43.13 | themill | can you not debootstrap from an existing installation? |
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| 03:53.23 | frognot | i336_: perhaps you can use aptitude in a chroot stage after debootstrap. you have to chroot in to set the password and install a bootloader anyway |
| 03:54.01 | frognot | aptitude may present you with some possibilities for resolving these dependencies. or it may be that you will have no problem installing it with apt from there |
| 03:54.37 | i336_ | actually |
| 03:54.41 | frognot | chroot /mnt/whatever aptitude install <package_name> |
| 03:54.44 | i336_ | interesting |
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| 03:55.12 | i336_ | only problem is... said debian 4.0 installation is the only debian installation :P although that shouldn't be a problem, thinking about it |
| 03:55.20 | i336_ | there was some oddness going on though |
| 03:55.51 | i336_ | let me actually go mount the partition and locate the scripts & co |
| 03:56.53 | i336_ | or... it was in an initrd |
| 03:56.59 | i336_ | so I can't access it |
| 03:57.11 | i336_ | but it was in "base-installer.postinst", I remember no |
| 03:57.29 | i336_ | it couldn't find the debian cdrom for some reason.... db_get cdrom/codename failed |
| 03:57.35 | i336_ | now* |
| 03:58.02 | themill | you can just make a chroot -- you don't need to deal with CDs or make an installation |
| 03:58.10 | i336_ | oh? |
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| 03:58.49 | i336_ | all I basically need is a gcc/g++ 2.95-based system + everything that would depend on |
| 03:58.56 | i336_ | s/system/chroot/ |
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| 03:59.47 | mumpitze1 | woody? potato? |
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| 04:01.34 | i336_ | well... |
| 04:02.08 | i336_ | technically I need gcc 2.95.3, 3.0 (don't know its codename) had 2.95.4, but that's okay since it builds gcc itself |
| 04:02.20 | i336_ | 4.0 has 2.95.4 too (a later version) |
| 04:02.53 | i336_ | is wondering if there's another system out there with gcc 2.95 in it that's less... "fixed" to work a certain way |
| 04:03.04 | i336_ | ("I shall always be booting from a CD.") |
| 04:03.06 | i336_ | lol |
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| 04:03.14 | i336_ | 3.0 didn't have that problem! :P |
| 04:05.15 | themill | I know you can just debootstrap any of these releases... CD still not required... |
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| 04:07.20 | i336_ | O.o |
| 04:07.22 | i336_ | interesting |
| 04:07.39 | i336_ | so, as in, I debootstrap it from inside a chroot jail, and it installs? |
| 04:07.40 | i336_ | wow |
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| 04:13.39 | frognot | why do you need a to make seperate system with debootstrap, just to get a certain version of gcc ? |
| 04:15.08 | themill | i336_: debootstrap makes the chroot for you |
| 04:16.00 | themill | frognot: gcc will want certain versions of libraries as well -- a chroot is usually the simplest and quickets way of banging together something that works |
| 04:16.17 | Rusty1 | virtualization comes to mind |
| 04:16.20 | frognot | here maybe you will like this fully automatic debootstrap script i wrote |
| 04:16.36 | frognot | http://www.csit.parkland.edu/~cgraff1/Linux_Walkthroughs/debootstrap_plus_automaticly_created_filesystem |
| 04:17.00 | frognot | have to understand how to use the --unpack-tarball option for this one though |
| 04:17.58 | frognot | it can deboostrap an image in 2min 20 secs. so you can get it correct with sheer number of attempts if necessary |
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| 05:35.33 | matoc | asciiker: I think I've read somewhere once that some hosting companies do this on purpose, but I can't remember the specifics. I'll try to find it. |
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| 06:59.14 | lolcat | How should I run my own debian mirror? |
| 06:59.30 | lolcat | Since the whole family is migrating to ubuntu, I want to keep it all locally |
| 06:59.47 | themill | why would you have a debian mirror if you were running ubuntu? |
| 06:59.48 | somiaj | lolcat: would something as simple as apt-mirror work for you? |
| 07:00.07 | lolcat | I meant debian |
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| 07:00.25 | somiaj | lolcat: any reason you want a local mirror, over just using one of the internet? |
| 07:00.28 | lolcat | I've been setting up ubuntu for my friends, so I mix them up once in a while. |
| 07:00.35 | lolcat | somiaj: Speed mostly |
| 07:00.49 | truexfan81 | there is another good reason to use a local mirror |
| 07:00.52 | lolcat | apt-mirror or apt-cacher seems like two decent choices |
| 07:00.53 | truexfan81 | backup |
| 07:01.34 | lolcat | Any idea how big it will be? |
| 07:01.35 | truexfan81 | like for example on my machines that are running the netinstall, if i loose my internet connection, i have no way to reinstall if i manage to break the os |
| 07:02.01 | themill | lolcat: apt-cacher-ng would be a good choice for this |
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| 07:02.29 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell lolcat about mirror size |
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| 07:02.39 | lolcat | themill: I think it depends on how big the repositories are |
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| 07:03.46 | themill | lolcat: the repos are enormous and you won't want to install much of them at all -- a cache only stores the bits that you are actually using |
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| 07:04.54 | jelly-home | on the other hand, 100-200GB isn't that much with current download speeds even if you never use it |
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| 07:05.14 | lolcat | I assume I'd need amd64 + i386 |
| 07:05.48 | themill | jelly-home: I'd guess our mirror providers might complain if everyone started doing that, wouldn't they? |
| 07:06.33 | lolcat | It only takes like 2 days |
| 07:06.51 | jelly-home | themill: download away. You can only do it once, and keep slurping just the changes after the initial sync |
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| 07:08.19 | jelly-home | but yeah, it might not make too much sense for every user to do that |
| 07:08.22 | themill | the daily slurpy changes can be slightly larger than comfortable for testing/unstable... |
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| 07:10.16 | lolcat | I somewhat want my own mirror because the norwegian mirrors NEVER works |
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| 07:10.35 | lolcat | jelly-home: Can't I extract the packages from the dvds? And use bittorrent |
| 07:10.43 | jelly-home | so use the .se one |
| 07:10.56 | lolcat | the norwegian redirects to sweden |
| 07:11.04 | lolcat | It is terrible compared to .com |
| 07:11.10 | themill | (or use http.d.n) |
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| 07:19.47 | isaias | I may have a problem |
| 07:19.55 | isaias | lol |
| 07:20.08 | isaias | i just deleted a bunch of stuff by accident |
| 07:20.13 | Blue1 | as in "houston we have a problem?" |
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| 07:20.48 | themill | isaias: lucky you have good backups then, isn't it? |
| 07:20.52 | Blue1 | isaias: how did you delete the stuff? |
| 07:21.54 | isaias | moving files around and deleting others. lol. i dont know how bad it is. its in a Virtual Box, so its not too bad. but I deleted /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 07:22.30 | Blue1 | isaias: that's not too bad -- it just has icons in there. |
| 07:22.37 | isaias | oh, ok xD |
| 07:22.38 | themill | that's also fairly easy to fix |
| 07:23.12 | isaias | ok, good. i looked in there before i deleted it and saw around 170 |
| 07:23.25 | isaias | looking at it now, i do see most being .png xD |
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| 07:23.31 | Blue1 | yup they are mostly icons -- |
| 07:23.45 | isaias | well then |
| 07:23.58 | isaias | cool |
| 07:24.00 | isaias | lol |
| 07:24.16 | Blue1 | isaias: so you shot off basically 1/2 a toe |
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| 07:25.02 | Blue1 | the greatest thing about linux is that you are your own system adminstrator. the worst thing about linux is, you are your own system administrator. |
| 07:25.25 | isaias | its fun :P |
| 07:25.34 | codygman | How do I set the resolution of my tty? I'm viewing it on an external monitor right now that is a higher resolution than the laptop connected to it. |
| 07:25.48 | Blue1 | don't feel bad, I have been involved in major appendage removal. |
| 07:25.58 | rendar | if i want to make my library i have written, available to be installed from apt-get, am i free to do that? |
| 07:26.07 | isaias | I've been manually installing stuff just so I get an idea of where things are xD |
| 07:26.14 | Blue1 | codygman: I think that would be a function of the computer you are on. |
| 07:26.16 | histo | dpkg: tell rendar about checkinstall |
| 07:26.22 | themill | dpkg: tell isaias about debsums |
| 07:26.24 | Blue1 | yup |
| 07:27.12 | boudiccas | why when i try to start screen with' screen -S free' does it come back and say 'bash: name: No such file or directory' |
| 07:27.18 | rendar | histo: thanks |
| 07:27.24 | themill | isaias: install debsums, run «aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`» and then run «debsums -s». You need to reinstall the packages debsums complains about |
| 07:28.52 | Blue1 | boudiccas: hmm works fine here. |
| 07:28.55 | codygman | Blue1: What do you mean? |
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| 07:29.32 | Blue1 | codygman: oh maybe you need an xrandr |
| 07:29.36 | boudiccas | bluer - this is on wheezy so a recent upgrade may have broken i t |
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| 07:29.49 | codygman | Blue1: xrandr only works once you start X11. I'm in the tty |
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| 07:29.55 | histo | boudiccas: do you have a session called free? |
| 07:29.59 | boudiccas | no |
| 07:30.06 | boudiccas | i was trying to create it |
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| 07:30.11 | histo | boudiccas: it just dumps out |
| 07:30.29 | isaias | themill: thank you :) |
| 07:30.31 | Blue1 | codygman: okay you at terminal mode then - dunno |
| 07:30.35 | histo | boudiccas: works here as well. |
| 07:30.36 | boudiccas | mine just fails silently apart from that error message |
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| 07:32.41 | Blue1 | codygman: this may/may not help - if you can reboot this will set the resolution |
| 07:32.43 | Blue1 | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/vga-boot-modes-to-set-screen-resolution/ |
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| 07:33.36 | isaias | themill: my screen was just looded... I should have run that on a differet terminal :/ |
| 07:33.37 | isaias | lol |
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| 07:35.27 | Blue1 | afk |
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| 07:35.41 | themill | isaias: from the debsums man page: aptitude reinstall $(dpkg -S $(debsums -c) | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u) |
| 07:35.54 | tgs3 | in apt, how to have an optional proxy for http? if it works then use it, if it doesn't then connect directly |
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| 07:36.12 | tgs3 | themill: that's another thing that would be nice to have in apt. hi btw :) |
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| 07:58.12 | boudiccas | in .bash_aliases how do i get an alias tobe interactive and ask you for information please? I'm thinking specifically of an alais for screen saying 'screen -S <foo>' but i want to to ask you for what foo is |
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| 08:00.51 | themill | boudiccas: write a function not an alias for that |
| 08:02.18 | boudiccas | themill: okay, thanks |
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| 08:15.22 | one_____4 | I switched to ubuntu because it has better support. |
| 08:15.36 | Neal_ | k |
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| 08:16.01 | one_____4 | Paid support. |
| 08:16.43 | Shadur | That's nice for you. |
| 08:17.08 | one_____4 | From a company named Canonical |
| 08:17.25 | Nik05 | spam spam spam bye one_____4 |
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| 08:19.36 | one_____4 | I installed debian once. |
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| 08:19.49 | angs | does debian run the start-up programs as root? |
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| 08:20.28 | one_____4 | angs: check thee init scripts |
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| 08:23.20 | isaias | is there any way to reinstall all packages that are missing something? D: instead of using debsum and goin one by one? |
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| 08:24.25 | one_____4 | isaias: write it up |
| 08:24.50 | isaias | one_____4: what? |
| 08:25.01 | one_____4 | if you have some money Canonical offers Paid support |
| 08:25.19 | rww | one_____4: take it elsewhere, thanks. |
| 08:25.39 | isaias | i rather do it myself, thanks :s |
| 08:25.40 | one_____4 | isaias: write a script to automate it |
| 08:25.46 | isaias | ohhh |
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| 08:26.08 | isaias | that would work |
| 08:26.20 | one_____4 | isaias: try using bash |
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| 08:27.12 | one_____4 | theres a guy in #bash that is actually helpful |
| 08:27.15 | Shadur | ops: one_____4 is trolling. |
| 08:27.18 | one_____4 | try #bash |
| 08:27.21 | Shadur | !ops one_____4 is trolling. |
| 08:27.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: shadur complains about: one_____4 is trolling. |
| 08:27.36 | one_____4 | its one of the few channels where someone actually answers questions |
| 08:27.55 | Shadur | isaias: You can get dpkg or aptitude to spit out a list of all installed packages. |
| 08:28.16 | Shadur | ... In fact, I think you can use aptitude's regex search features to do it in a single command. |
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| 08:29.10 | themill | isaias: the command I gave you should have done that |
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| 08:29.29 | isaias | themill: it should have reinstalled everything? |
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| 08:29.44 | themill | isaias: is should have reinstalled all packages that were missing files |
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| 08:30.24 | isaias | I still dont have a /usr/share/pixmap file |
| 08:30.33 | isaias | it said it reinstalled one package |
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| 08:31.09 | themill | isaias: what does "dpkg -S /usr/share/pixmaps" say? |
| 08:31.16 | Shadur | aptitude reinstall ~i should work, but I don't have a system available where I could safely test that out... |
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| 08:31.48 | themill | yes, that would also work, but would also reinstall a lot of undamaged packages |
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| 08:32.21 | isaias | it only shows the 2 i reinstalled |
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| 08:32.47 | isaias | themill: it only shows the 2 i reinstalled |
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| 08:34.05 | themill | isaias: is it reasonable that you only have two packages shipping pixmaps? what two did it say? |
| 08:35.06 | isaias | themill: transmission-common, xterm: /usr/share/pixmaps |
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| 08:41.54 | themill | isaias: hmm... the example in the man page is wrong. Try debsums -c 2>&1 | sed -nr 's/.*from (.*) package\)$/\1/p' | xargs aptitude reinstall |
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| 08:53.40 | isaias | themill: its not doing anything |
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| 08:56.21 | dcpc007 | hello, during install on old server, i need non-free eth firmware (tigon/tg3_tso.bin). I got the.deb, buton the usb key, must i put the .deb at root, the .bin at root or the .bin as /tigon/tg3_tso.bin please ? |
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| 09:02.34 | jpw | dcpc007: you should just be able to put the .deb in the root of a memory stick and press next. |
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| 09:03.09 | jpw | the installer will take care of mounting it, finding it and installing it. |
| 09:03.39 | isaias | themill: I finished writing the bsh script |
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| 09:23.46 | no_gravity | Hello Everybody! One thing im always wondering: When looking at man pages, is there a way to just see the parameterlist of a command? With explanations? Or at least a way to search for a certain parameter? |
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| 09:24.47 | ectospasm | no_gravity: depends on the man page, really |
| 09:24.50 | hdl | hi there |
| 09:24.59 | ectospasm | Some will go right into describing their parameters. |
| 09:25.00 | adc | no_gravity: search is backslash "/<keyword>". Navigate through results with "n" and "N" |
| 09:25.06 | no_gravity | ectospasm: for example man gunzip |
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| 09:25.10 | adc | forward slash, sorry |
| 09:25.10 | ectospasm | Others will go into describing the configuration text files. |
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| 09:25.29 | ectospasm | ...or press slash again |
| 09:25.32 | hdl | does anybody know of a debian repository containing the latest ruby version somwhere ? |
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| 09:25.38 | ectospasm | and ? to go backwards |
| 09:25.40 | no_gravity | adc: i know. but its often painful to search for a parameter. and sometimes i just want to get an overview of the available parameters. |
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| 09:25.53 | ectospasm | hdl: it may be in experimental, but I really don't know |
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| 09:26.23 | ectospasm | no_gravity: many commands will document a usage summary by passing --help |
| 09:26.29 | ectospasm | ...but not all |
| 09:26.34 | ectospasm | and they're not all helpful |
| 09:26.42 | ectospasm | it depends on the command |
| 09:26.57 | no_gravity | ectospasm: true, gunzip does that! nice. |
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| 09:27.16 | ectospasm | no_gravity: most of the GNU utilities do that on some level. |
| 09:27.36 | ectospasm | Some give a very terse usage, and they're designed for you to already know the command very well. |
| 09:27.37 | no_gravity | cool |
| 09:27.38 | ectospasm | Like ssh |
| 09:28.42 | jandresen | I noticed that most cli tools list params when invoked with "--help" |
| 09:28.51 | ectospasm | like ssh --help will give you this: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxYy]... which isn't very helpful |
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| 09:28.59 | jandresen | heh |
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| 09:37.59 | jelly | ectospasm: well, one explanation is that ssh is not gnu |
| 09:38.16 | jelly | so it doesn't follow their practices |
| 09:38.16 | ectospasm | jelly: yep, I realize this. |
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| 09:39.05 | ootput_ | Hi folks. To enable the sysrq feature, I'm used to doing: echo 1>/proc/sys/kernel/sysrq on other distros. With Debian, the value is currently set to 438. Is it still safe to override that value? |
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| 09:39.27 | ootput_ | (if so, I'll add an appropriate entry to sysctl.conf) |
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| 09:40.53 | rww | ootput_: it's a bitmask, i.e. 438 disables some sysrq keys. if you indeed want them all enabled, 1 would be fine |
| 09:41.13 | ootput_ | rww: oh right. Thank you |
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| 09:41.20 | rww | (specifically, valid values are 0 to disable completely, 1 to enable completely, higher numbers are interpreted as a bitmask) |
| 09:41.22 | ootput_ | rww: Is that documented somewhere? |
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| 09:41.56 | rww | Documentation/sysrq.txt in the kernel source, random mirror on Google: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 09:42.33 | ootput_ | rww: thank you very much |
| 09:42.49 | rww | 438 = 256 + 128 + 32 + 16 + 4 + 2, if you don't feel like doing math |
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| 09:43.44 | ootput_ | rww: so 438 seems to be an all-inclusive bitmask |
| 09:43.55 | rww | it's missing 8 and 64 |
| 09:44.18 | ootput_ | oh.. the important ones |
| 09:44.53 | ootput_ | rww: thanks again |
| 09:45.08 | rww | Looking at it, I'd guess it allows stuff that lets you restart the system in case of Major Issues, and denies stuff that has privacy implications on multiuser systems? iono |
| 09:45.11 | rww | you're welcome |
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| 09:48.27 | krofna | How can I convert mp4 video to 3gp? |
| 09:48.43 | nkuttler | ffmpeg? |
| 09:48.56 | Zharf | ffmpeg. |
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| 09:50.24 | krofna | Man page of ffmpeg is so long I'm not sure which options to use |
| 09:52.05 | NiLon | ootput_ all inclusive is always double the highest bit, in case of 256 it's 512 |
| 09:52.32 | jpw | krofna: google it. the topics too broad for here. |
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| 09:53.20 | isaias | how bad does flash player run on Debian? :P |
| 09:53.48 | isaias | flash in general |
| 09:54.00 | isaias | thinking about not installing it if it sucks |
| 09:54.26 | jpw | isaias: flash is the spawn of satan, damaging to the internet as a whole you shouldn't use it. |
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| 09:54.38 | isaias | thank you ;) |
| 09:54.40 | jpw | isaias: but it runs well in debian yes |
| 09:54.45 | isaias | ahh |
| 09:54.52 | isaias | html5 taking over though, right? |
| 09:54.55 | isaias | :D |
| 09:54.59 | krofna | Uhm Unknown encoder 'libvo_aacenc'libvo-aacenc0 is already the newest version. |
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| 09:55.31 | jpw | isaias: html5 needs to take over and the more people that don't have flash installed the faster the adoption will be. |
| 09:55.59 | pagios | hello i would like to know if it is possible to encrypt my hardisk, when booting it does not have to ask me about the password to decrypt but when the hardisk is placed into another system the password is asked for decryption |
| 09:56.06 | krofna | jpw: Except that flash comes preinstalled with google chrome, the most popular browser :D? |
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| 09:57.08 | jpw | krofna: true but on the flip side that means google holds the power to kill flash. |
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| 09:57.40 | jpw | basically flash only exists now because youtube and adverts. |
| 09:58.16 | krofna | jpw: And every facebook game out there. |
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| 10:00.17 | jpw | you see. flash will be killed when it suits google. |
| 10:01.11 | invariant | Do Java Applets still have unfixed security problems? |
| 10:01.46 | ksk | depends on the applets? Oo |
| 10:02.05 | ksk | isn't this like asking "are there security problems in php scripts?" |
| 10:02.12 | invariant | ksk, no... |
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| 10:03.00 | invariant | ksk, why are you even replying to questions you do not understand? |
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| 10:08.16 | phix | hey, with ldapsearch is there a way to search for a value without knowing key / attribute name? |
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| 10:13.25 | ksk | invariant: to undestand things? did someone else anser you? no? oooh! |
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| 10:13.50 | invariant | ksk, how is that even remotely releated? |
| 10:13.56 | invariant | related* |
| 10:14.19 | invariant | ksk, I am 100% sure that some people understand what I meant by that question. |
| 10:14.29 | invariant | That they are too busy is not of importance. |
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| 10:20.15 | jelly | invariant: please play nice with the other kids; if an answer is irrelevant, ignore it |
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| 10:47.12 | PapaSierra | morning. i'm trying to install a package (mysql-client) by "remote control". what actually gets executed is sh -c 'apt-get install mysql-client', but i see it offers a prompt [Y/n]. how do i force it? |
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| 10:48.04 | wix | Hi. I am currently running debian wheezy (testing). I am trying to build a ffmpeg/libav package with the latest git snapshot. I made "apt-get source ffmpeg", and downloaded the snapshot. I tried to follow this |
| 10:48.34 | wix | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html, but when I do "dquilt refresh" I got an error "serial file not found" |
| 10:48.49 | babilen | PapaSierra: You could use "apt-get install --yes PKG" -- read "nan 1 apt-get" |
| 10:48.50 | wix | Am I on the right way? How can I build this package? |
| 10:49.00 | babilen | PapaSierra: "man" not "nan" :) |
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| 10:49.41 | PapaSierra | babilen: thanks for the pointer, will read now... |
| 10:49.43 | babilen | wix: You are trying to build a new upstream version, aren't you? |
| 10:49.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell wix -about uupdate |
| 10:49.52 | wix | yes babilen |
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| 10:50.24 | wix | I used uupdate, but the next step in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html is "dquilt refresh" and I get an error at this point |
| 10:50.46 | babilen | wix: Try that -- If you still run into problems (because patches are not compatible with the new upstream release (for example) or you need different dependencies ...) lets take this discussion to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:51.14 | wix | ok I'll do that thank you babilen |
| 10:51.15 | babilen | wix: Are you sure that the package uses patches? (do you have debian/patches/series ?) |
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| 10:51.29 | babilen | wix: But yeah, lets take it to -mentors :) |
| 10:51.58 | PapaSierra | babilen: i've seen the --yes part. cool. what is PKG for? |
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| 10:52.22 | wix | babilen, yes I got debian/patches/series in both old and new source package folders (after uupdate) |
| 10:52.35 | babilen | PapaSierra: Simply a placeholder for "package" -- replace it with the name of the package you want to install. |
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| 10:52.43 | PapaSierra | ah ;) |
| 10:52.47 | PapaSierra | ty so much |
| 10:53.16 | babilen | wix: Alright, please paste the entire output and whatever else you deem important and ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- I'm there too, but will be afk for a few minutes. |
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| 10:57.25 | madmuppet006 | I have just installed debian on a hp envy dv6-7303ax and I am trying to sort out the sound .. I am following the page http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Configuring_Sound_on_Linux/HW_Address but when I get to cat /dev/urandom | aplay I hget an error aplay: command not found |
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| 10:57.58 | ootput | madmuppet006: you require the alsa-utils package |
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| 10:59.03 | madmuppet006 | ootput:thanks for the info I have a brand new install .. never tried installing on a laptop before and never had this problem |
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| 11:07.33 | madmuppet006 | ootput: I apt-get installed alsautils and now I get an error saying no soundcards while I have it listed before any hints? thanks |
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| 11:11.06 | TheGrey | o/ is was wondering...is there an ebook that goes through the whole of linux? like what its file directories do? the history of its kernels. GNU packages etc...I'd really love to know all about it...thanks :) |
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| 11:14.20 | ksk | TheGrey: maybe you want to take a look into the debian users handbook |
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| 11:15.11 | jpw | TheGrey: look up http://tldp.org |
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| 11:17.48 | babilen | TheGrey: You might like http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/ -- which is by no means a complete history, but an interesting read in itself. I would, however, recommend to further discuss this in #debian-offtopic rather than #debian |
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| 11:31.09 | i4c | hi can anyone tell me the main differences between the "freed" linux kernel used in debian squeeze and the linux-libre one ? |
| 11:32.06 | ootput | madmuppet006: uncertain |
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| 11:33.35 | ootput | madmuppet006: what produced that error? |
| 11:33.36 | ksk | i4c: whats libre? |
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| 11:33.51 | ksk | ah got it. |
| 11:33.58 | i4c | kernel |
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| 11:34.39 | ksk | mhm, after reading some lines of libre's wikipedia article it seems to me that debians kernel could be "freeer" in some points |
| 11:34.54 | ksk | eg, everything needs to be "debian-free" ( you can look up what that means ) |
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| 11:38.02 | Duality | can i install freecad on wheezy ? cause apt-get can't find the package ? |
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| 11:39.04 | ksk | ,versions freecad |
| 11:39.06 | judd | Package: freecad on i386 -- squeeze: 0.10.3247.dfsg-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.12.5284-dfsg-4+b1; sid: 0.12.5284-dfsg-7; experimental: 0.13.1830-dfsg-1~exp1 |
| 11:40.16 | themill | i4c: this was recently discussed on the debian-project mailing list |
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| 11:43.10 | i4c | thx ksk. can i have a link to the recent discussion themill ? i found a discussion on 2010, but it didn't go into much detail. |
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| 11:43.49 | themill | http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEEQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.debian.org%2Fdebian-project%2F2013%2F03%2Fmsg00043.html&ei=E-drUZPrDseGrAewloGADA&usg=AFQjCNHC4NSC8X9MNaXZqK8RaZSOV_J32A&sig2=ohMNgVjI9os-on0QXnP43w&bvm=bv.45175338,d.bmk |
| 11:43.54 | themill | err.. not that one |
| 11:44.05 | themill | https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/03/msg00043.html |
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| 12:16.14 | jelly | gives themill an antitracking extension for the browser |
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| 12:17.32 | jelly | themill: eg. https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/121261 |
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| 12:20.10 | buscon | hi, i'm trying to convert a db from latin1 to utf8 |
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| 12:20.28 | buscon | the problem is now to convert the text saved in the db as latin1 to utf8 |
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| 12:20.39 | buscon | if there a way or a script to do that? |
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| 12:22.00 | jpw | buscon: there is, it's not easy it involves an intricate process of dumping and importing that can result in data loss if performed incorrectly. You will get better support from the channel dedicated to the DB software you use. |
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| 12:22.29 | buscon | ok, I see, i'll ask that in #mysql then |
| 12:22.31 | buscon | thx |
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| 12:25.58 | gedO | Hello |
| 12:26.00 | gedO | Can someone |
| 12:26.18 | babilen | gedO: do what? |
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| 12:26.47 | gedO | tell how to make a deb package |
| 12:26.55 | gedO | server bot had goot |
| 12:27.02 | gedO | good* |
| 12:27.04 | gedO | tips |
| 12:27.13 | gedO | but don't know how to ask him |
| 12:27.45 | zinx | gedO: does the source have a debian/ directory in it? |
| 12:27.52 | gedO | yes |
| 12:27.59 | babilen | gedO: Read the new maintainer's guide and Debian policy along with other things linked from http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers -- You can ask the bot about things, but /msg'ing it directly: "/msg dpkg nmg" |
| 12:28.02 | zinx | gedO: then just use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:28.18 | gedO | okey, thx :) |
| 12:28.18 | babilen | steals zinx' crystal ball |
| 12:29.09 | babilen | gedO: You probably have to install the packages' build depdencies though. (take a look at debian/control for that) -- Which software is it? |
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| 12:36.43 | i4c | chromium in debian repos come already without the tracking jelly ? |
| 12:37.07 | i4c | i heard they did in ubuntu or something, and i guess it is based off the debian repos |
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| 12:37.11 | jelly | i4c: dunno, I do not use it |
| 12:37.41 | jelly | i4c: this particular tracking is on the google results page, not the browser |
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| 12:38.09 | i4c | ah, ok my bad, got to stop reading diagonally |
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| 12:43.52 | LZ2ILR | hi, i am running debian live for eeepc 701 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Live/ and now attempint to permanently install to internal ssd. i got past partitioning ok and installation, however when moving on in the installer to install grub, it just seems to repeat installing the system. all other options further just repeat this step. any help please? |
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| 12:45.34 | babilen | LZ2ILR: I wouldn't necessarily install from the live images and I would furthermore recommend to install wheezy at this point. See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for information about that and use the netinst images with firmware if you have a working internet connection. See "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" for details about that. |
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| 12:46.36 | babilen | LZ2ILR: I seem to remember a bug to that effect, but you are probably better off asking in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net if you really want to use the live CD for the installation. If you can't find it on bugs.debian.org I can take a look, but it might also already have been fixed in newer live versions. Which version did you use? |
| 12:47.10 | babilen | Ah, it is something eeepc specific ... No idea who worked on that or what it does. |
| 12:48.04 | babilen | Ah, they belong to synrg -- I would hop over to irc.oftc.net where you can discuss it with him directly. (irc.oftc.net == irc.debian.org) |
| 12:49.04 | abrotman | not sure how much he works on that anymore |
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| 12:49.37 | babilen | I would guess "not at all" judging by the last change of that page. |
| 12:50.08 | abrotman | but there is also a #debian-eepc channel |
| 12:50.09 | LZ2ILR | babilen, thanks for the pointer. the eeepc can be a pain thats why i want to stick with the bespoke install. im using puppy up till now but i need to standardise and grow up |
| 12:50.12 | abrotman | -eee[c |
| 12:50.17 | abrotman | gives up |
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| 12:52.04 | gernot | AFAIK, especially for the Eeepc 701 the project became irrelevant with the release of Squeeze. LZ2ILR, you should be able to simply install Squeeze on it. |
| 12:52.45 | babilen | s/Squeeze on/Wheezy on/ |
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| 12:53.16 | babilen | There is also #debian-eeepc over at OFTC. |
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| 12:54.11 | LZ2ILR | oftc? |
| 12:54.20 | gernot | I suppose Wheezy will work as well, of course. The point is that even Squeeze is new enough for it to work out of the box now. |
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| 12:55.53 | jelly | LZ2ILR: different irc server network, irc.oftc.net (same thing as irc.debian.org) |
| 12:55.53 | LZ2ILR | is there going to be an sd image i can dd? im running squeeze on another system arm a13 so it will be good too keep all my eggs together |
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| 12:56.18 | LZ2ILR | ok, im no wizz at irc |
| 12:56.18 | jelly | A13? |
| 12:56.36 | LZ2ILR | allwinner 13 risc |
| 12:56.52 | LZ2ILR | olimex dev board |
| 12:56.59 | LZ2ILR | its pretty good |
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| 12:57.09 | jelly | righto. armhf debian and their custom kernel |
| 12:58.14 | jelly | LZ2ILR: incidentally there's #linux-sunxi channel for that ARM SoC family |
| 12:58.37 | halt | hi all, i have a strange encoding issue, with one of the debian package, does anyone use here bmon with UTF-8 across putty ? |
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| 13:04.46 | Towzzer | halt- i have and I never got it to display properly ever |
| 13:04.48 | Towzzer | ever |
| 13:04.48 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:05.53 | Daniel15 | halt: Did you set PuTTY to UTF-8? |
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| 13:06.32 | babilen | Towzzer: bmon or bmon in putty? |
| 13:06.46 | halt | Towzzer: Daniel15: I have UTF-8 encodning in Putty and then the MC and etc are working well but the bmon |
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| 13:07.22 | halt | the bmon working well with ISO-8859-1:1998 (Latin-1, West Europe) but then all other is failing |
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| 13:09.05 | Towzzer | bmon in putty |
| 13:09.17 | Towzzer | I was working on solving it one day but then I switched to use ssh in cygwin |
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| 13:09.23 | Towzzer | which displays properly |
| 13:09.42 | babilen | well, can't test it locally due to #704887 -- sounds like a putty problem, but then I can't be sure. |
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| 13:10.02 | babilen | halt: Could you try it locally and within a SSH session from a Debian/Linux host? |
| 13:10.50 | halt | babilen: give me a sec, and will, but i did it before, and if i remmmber well it did not work either but give me a sec |
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| 13:11.52 | halt | babilen: yeap it's broken from debain to debian as well |
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| 13:13.26 | halt | babilen: localy working well, but across ssh tunnel not i can try with few more ssh client but i think it's should be solved ( somehow) on server side |
| 13:13.35 | babilen | halt: Which version of bmon/Debian is that? I can use 2.0.1-3 from wheezy just fine. |
| 13:13.53 | babilen | (both locally and via SSH) |
| 13:15.12 | halt | ii bmon 2.0.1-3 portable bandwidth monitor and rate estimator |
| 13:15.12 | halt | Linux micro 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 01:04:36 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:15.12 | halt | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 13:15.25 | babilen | halt: Are you sure that your locale is available on the server? What is the AcceptEnv setting of the SSH server? (check /etc/ssh/sshd_config) |
| 13:15.59 | babilen | brb |
| 13:16.23 | halt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.23 | halt | AcceptEnv LANG LC_* |
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| 13:18.19 | babilen | halt: You can just run "grep AcceptEnv /etc/ssh/sshd_config" the "cat" is not needed (just mentioning it) -- Could you run "locale" and "locale -a" on the server? |
| 13:19.29 | babilen | halt: And could you be more specific about the exact symptoms of "strange encoding issue" -- And what exactly do you mean by "ssh tunnel". tunnel between what kind of systems? which software did you use for ssh? |
| 13:20.42 | halt | babilen: http://pastebin.com/kzzEr1PR |
| 13:20.57 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 13:20.58 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:21.04 | halt | and the grep cat, yes you are right, bad habit |
| 13:21.26 | babilen | "hungarian" ? |
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| 13:22.41 | babilen | halt: What does "grep -v "^#" /etc/locale.gen" give you? Could you try a different locale? (e.g. C.UTF-8 or en_GB.UTF-8) |
| 13:22.57 | babilen | halt: And what are the actual symptoms you experience? |
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| 13:23.41 | halt | all the lines are q like here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWwNgd3wUEA |
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| 13:24.31 | halt | the locale.gen look like |
| 13:24.31 | halt | hu_HU ISO-8859-2 |
| 13:24.31 | halt | hu_HU.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 13:24.33 | babilen | halt: That looks like putty -- do you get the /same/ if you SSH *from* Debian/linux ? |
| 13:24.46 | babilen | (i.e. no putty involved at all) |
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| 13:25.31 | halt | this is not my video, but I'm facing exactly the same issue from debian to debian as well |
| 13:26.08 | Towzzer | halt - I've looked into this for month once,I swears it |
| 13:26.12 | Towzzer | nothing fixes it :D |
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| 13:26.47 | babilen | halt: Please generate en_GB.UTF-8 as well and try different locales such as C.UTF-8 and en_GB.UTF-8 -- do /not/ use putty for any of these tests please and report the results. |
| 13:26.58 | babilen | Towzzer: I can't reproduce the issue here |
| 13:27.07 | Leoneof | hello, how to install libktorrent but without kdelibs and other depends? |
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| 13:27.24 | babilen | Leoneof: You cannot install packages without their dependencies |
| 13:27.34 | Leoneof | ouch |
| 13:27.50 | Leoneof | babilen: any options like -force or something else? |
| 13:27.54 | babilen | Leoneof: Why would you want to? |
| 13:28.09 | hiptobecubic | I need a -dev package be installed but I am not root. Any options? |
| 13:28.15 | babilen | Leoneof: these are *dependencies" the program does not work without them. |
| 13:28.53 | Leoneof | okay, i see |
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| 13:29.27 | invariant | Is there some way I can have an executable host file specification? |
| 13:29.46 | hiptobecubic | for example, can a package be installed to ~/.local? |
| 13:30.01 | Brigo | halt: what is the output of: grep /etc/default/console-setup |
| 13:30.10 | Towzzer | invariant, what does that mean? |
| 13:30.45 | hiptobecubic | or i'll just unpack it there myself. who cares. How do i pull down the package with apt? |
| 13:30.55 | hiptobecubic | i don't see a subcommand in apt-get |
| 13:30.57 | invariant | Towzzer, it means that the actual mapping is computed as opposed to static. |
| 13:31.15 | babilen | halt: Please change "grep" to "cat" in Brigo's command. |
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| 13:31.22 | halt | Brigo: CHARMAP="UTF-8" |
| 13:31.25 | invariant | Towzzer, perhaps only once during boot. |
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| 13:31.42 | invariant | Towzzer, perhaps it would have some recreate-hosts command. |
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| 13:31.56 | halt | Brigo: CODESET="Lat2" |
| 13:32.44 | Brigo | it looks ok ... |
| 13:33.12 | babilen | halt: So, how did the tests go? |
| 13:33.40 | halt | http://paste.debian.net/249669/ |
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| 13:34.38 | halt | babilen: i did not found out yet how to genetare new locales |
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| 13:35.42 | babilen | hiptobecubic: Just install them to, say, ~/usr/ and adjust LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PATH accordingly .. I would recommend to "manager" those local installations with stow (see "/msg dpkg stow usage") -- You essentially use "--prefix=$HOME/usr/stow/foo-X.Y/" in the ./configure step. |
| 13:35.48 | Brigo | dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
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| 13:36.55 | LZ2ILR | hi, im back. that chan is very very quiet. im now looking at other options. can i get a reccomendation for something along the lines of unetbootin that can do a full squeeze install? |
| 13:37.15 | hiptobecubic | babilen, well it's just a -dev package that i need. which should just be headers, no? |
| 13:37.45 | Brigo | LZ2ILR: from usb? |
| 13:37.49 | hiptobecubic | babilen, also dpkg did not answer |
| 13:37.59 | babilen | hiptobecubic: You can "install" it with "dpkg -x the.deb /path/to/whatever/will/be/the/new/root" |
| 13:38.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell hiptobecubic -about stow usage |
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| 13:38.53 | hiptobecubic | babilen, thanks. Not entirely sure what it does though. |
| 13:39.04 | hiptobecubic | /usr/local is off limits if you aren't root anyway |
| 13:39.07 | babilen | hiptobecubic: (that would essentially just unpack the package) -- there is more to this than I can go into and I would strongly recommend to discuss this in a channel that is appropriate to your programming language. |
| 13:39.45 | babilen | hiptobecubic: So, for example, if this would be a Python -dev package something else might be appropriate than if this is a Perl, Clojure, Java, ... whatever one |
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| 13:40.02 | hiptobecubic | babilen, are we talking about the same thing here? I just need the headers from libcurl to exist somewhere that I can get to them. |
| 13:40.08 | babilen | hiptobecubic: You don't have to use /usr/local -- any other location is just fine. |
| 13:40.19 | babilen | hiptobecubic: You only ever mentioned libcurl now |
| 13:40.42 | LZ2ILR | brigo: im running debian from sd card at the moment, the internal ssd is free. i want to ideally stay within this debian as the wifi is working, etc. and run a up to date installer from here |
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| 13:40.55 | hiptobecubic | Sure, but I certainly never mentioned python headers :) |
| 13:41.08 | babilen | hiptobecubic: It was just an example |
| 13:41.24 | hiptobecubic | anyway. All i want is the headers from libcurl. I can throw them anywhere and just add an -I flag. doesn't matter where |
| 13:41.25 | babilen | (as there are different ways to deal with Python modules than, say, C libraries) |
| 13:41.29 | hiptobecubic | But i can't find them :) |
| 13:41.40 | hiptobecubic | i'm here... http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libcurl3 |
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| 13:41.47 | halt | babilen: Brigo: I regenerated with en_GB.UTF-8... done hu_HU.ISO-8859-2... done hu_HU.UTF-8... done, AND then restart the ssh service and dial from debain but the same q is everwhere |
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| 13:42.27 | babilen | halt: That is if you /actually/ change the locale? (which is also reflected in "locale" output and also /not/ in putty?) |
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| 13:42.34 | babilen | hiptobecubic: gnutls or openssl? |
| 13:43.02 | hiptobecubic | good question... does it matter? |
| 13:43.06 | babilen | sure |
| 13:43.26 | hiptobecubic | let me check the deps on this then.. |
| 13:43.28 | babilen | Two different packages and libraries used for SSL |
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| 13:43.42 | jelly | babilen: nss! |
| 13:43.44 | jelly | hides |
| 13:43.54 | babilen | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libcurl4-gnutls-dev vs. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 13:44.24 | hiptobecubic | openssl it seems |
| 13:44.26 | hiptobecubic | thanks |
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| 13:44.54 | babilen | hiptobecubic: either way, I have to run for a second .. I'll be back in a couple of minutes. Feel free to continue Debian specific questions in here or ask in ##c on how to get install libraries sensibly if you don't have root. |
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| 13:46.12 | Brigo | LZ2ILR: the onlyone automatic install is the usual install disk, from a running debian you can use dbootstrap, make a chroot and finish the install. |
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| 13:47.26 | halt | babilen: hmm in the locale output still hu, but not putty, so why it's not /actually/ changed it ? |
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| 13:53.26 | babilen | halt: What? I asked you to not use putty /at all/ for these tests. Simply set your locale to C.UTF-8 and en_GB.UTF-8 before you ssh to the server and verify that it is set correctly to the same value on the remote host. Don't ssh from Windows. |
| 13:54.07 | halt | babilen: I'm not useing windows for build up the ssh tunnel |
| 13:54.20 | babilen | So how is this related to putty then? |
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| 13:55.01 | halt | babilen: this is where i faced the issue at first, but it's broken from any host |
| 13:55.55 | jpw | is there a way to find the compile time configure switches of a library? |
| 13:56.27 | jpw | i need to find if libucu was compiled with --disable-renaming |
| 13:56.38 | jpw | s/libucu/libicu/ |
| 13:57.32 | halt | jpw: if you did then you will find it in the make file, if not then in the documentacion of the package |
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| 13:58.01 | LZ2ILR | ok im now making another install stick with unetbootin |
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| 13:58.54 | halt | babilen: locale -a C en_GB.utf8 hu_HU hu_HU.iso88592 hu_HU.utf8 hungarian POSIX ( i delated the /n -s ) |
| 14:00.49 | babilen | halt: So, you are working on a Debian box. You set your locale settings to C.UTF-8 (with, for example, "export LC_ALL=C.UTF-8" you then ssh into the remote box (ssh name.of.remote.box) and run "locale" -- You can confirm that the "locale" output uses "C.UTF-8" and no longer "hu_HU.UTF-8". Once you've done that you run "bmon" and check its behaviour. |
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| 14:01.44 | babilen | halt: Please run this and paste the output of all commands to http://paste.debian.net -- Repeat the same for en_GB.UTF-8 ... I am simply curious if this is related to putty or your locale settings or something else. |
| 14:02.44 | halt | babilen: ok let me do this, but the locale did not changed after the dpkg-recofigure |
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| 14:02.59 | StarFscker | Hello |
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| 14:03.08 | StarFscker | I get an error when trying to start a second x-session |
| 14:03.34 | StarFscker | It seems to be going good, it says it is initializing built-in extensions, and then it poops after loading extension GLX |
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| 14:03.43 | babilen | halt: the remote hosts uses whatever locale settings you give it. And local logins can either specify their own locale settings /or/ use the default locale (not sure if you changed that) |
| 14:03.44 | StarFscker | then it says Init: connection to X server lost |
| 14:04.01 | babilen | StarFscker: How are you starting it? |
| 14:04.04 | StarFscker | and then it waits for the X server to shut down server terminated successfully (0) |
| 14:04.17 | StarFscker | I go into another virtual terminal and type startx -- :1 |
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| 14:07.29 | dashs | I have 2 servers with interconnected NFS mounts, i.e. each has mounts based on the other. Is there a nice way to arrange boot-up and shutdown that is the most seamless? |
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| 14:08.25 | jpw | i can't find any hints anywhere to what configure switches were used for libicu44. does anyone have a hint what file it would be in? |
| 14:08.50 | babilen | jpw: debian/rules in the source package |
| 14:08.59 | StarFscker | I just tried the same method as root, no success. |
| 14:09.19 | StarFscker | After searching there was a trend that people would have this issue if they were not root. |
| 14:10.39 | jpw | babilen: got it - thanks. |
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| 14:15.02 | halt | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b603f93c/ here is the paste , check this out, i also included an image at the and |
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| 14:15.40 | halt | s/and/end |
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| 14:18.57 | babilen | halt: Could you try aptitude ? |
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| 14:19.56 | babilen | halt: That sounds like a problem in the way bmon uses the ncurses library .. lets see if we can find a bug report about it. |
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| 14:20.18 | nkuttler | hrm, does somebody have an lvm with encrypted drives on it? how are the decrypted devices called by default in /dev/mapper? |
| 14:20.24 | babilen | halt: Could you also try different terminal? Which terminal are /you/ using? |
| 14:21.22 | halt | babilen: mc looks ok aptitude and the bmon broken, but i did not pick it up yet, i never use it |
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| 14:22.32 | halt | babilen: I'm useing ncurses |
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| 14:24.00 | babilen | halt: Which terminal are you using? I just can't reproduce that ncurses problem here (but I am, probably, using newer versions anyway) |
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| 14:25.18 | halt | babilen: I'm useing the deafault terminal and my ncures version is 5.7+20100313-5 |
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| 14:36.21 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 14:36.25 | TheWarden | I'm trying to mount a Windows share (CIFS) using the following command, mount -t cifs //Serverwin7-pc/c -o rw,username=thewarden,domain=oz /mnt/fileserver/ |
| 14:36.33 | TheWarden | the share mounts but it appears to be in read only. I'm not able to create a new file within my own user directory. what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:36.42 | Sandman1 | you need to map permissions |
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| 14:36.56 | Sandman1 | uid=,gid=, or if you want a different mask you need to set those |
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| 14:37.23 | boudiccas | how do i find out what port a particular programme is listening on please? i'm thinking specifically of 'mpd' which i'm trying to configure for the shorewall firewall |
| 14:37.41 | Sandman1 | netstat -ltp |
| 14:37.45 | TheWarden | Sandman1: Oh okay, mmm |
| 14:37.46 | Sandman1 | if you want udp add a u |
| 14:37.48 | jpw | boudiccas: sudo ss -anp |
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| 14:41.17 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: sudo netstat -anp |grep mpd |
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| 14:43.30 | TheWarden | Sandman1: thanks, it works perfectly now. |
| 14:43.50 | Sandman1 | No problem. |
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| 14:45.30 | boudiccas | thanks folk, i hope i've cracked it now |
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| 14:48.57 | _jordan_ | hello, I'm searching a way to manipulate fstab with command line, is it possible ? |
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| 14:49.16 | Sandman1 | Hm, Other than a text editor I do not think so..I never tried though |
| 14:49.20 | somiaj | _jordan_: how do you want to manipulate it and why |
| 14:49.43 | somiaj | _jordan_: there are tons of cli tools for manipulating text files, it really depends on what manipulations you want to do, and you'll have to write your own custom script |
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| 14:50.16 | somiaj | for example if you want to add a single line you need to do 'echo fstab_line >> /etc/fstab' -- that will append that one line to the end of the fstab file |
| 14:50.40 | Sandman1 | Make sure you do not use one > |
| 14:50.46 | _jordan_ | i need to modifie right with acl in a script. To do this, i have to change fstab to mount my partition with acl option |
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| 14:51.23 | somiaj | _jordan_: so you need to add another option to the list of options on a mount point? |
| 14:51.41 | _jordan_ | somiaj: yes |
| 14:52.34 | somiaj | any reason you can't just add that in the mount command, or are you wanting non root users to be able to do this |
| 14:52.43 | somiaj | mount -o new_option mount_point |
| 14:53.35 | _jordan_ | I want to change the mount option for my / partition when i power of the computer |
| 14:53.42 | jelly | _jordan_: that's easy to do with sed, or awk, or perl... can you pastebin what the current line looks and what the desired line should look like? How many machines or lines do you need to change? |
| 14:54.25 | babilen | _jordan_: Would using an editor be an option? |
| 14:54.40 | _jordan_ | it* |
| 14:54.48 | _jordan_ | i have to script ut |
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| 14:55.39 | somiaj | _jordan_: why do you need to do this change more than once? Or is this on multiple machines? |
| 14:55.42 | _jordan_ | I need that "UUID=... /home ext3 defaults 0 2" be transform in "UUID=... /home ext3 defaults,acl 0 2" |
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| 14:56.47 | _jordan_ | I need to script it to be able to install somethings on watever machine i want |
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| 14:57.36 | somiaj | _jordan_: yea sed, awk or many other tools can do that for ya. I'll leave someone more fluent in the syntax to help get it correct for ya. (: |
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| 14:59.16 | ChrisH | _jordan_: quick shot sed -e "s/defaults /defaults,acl /g" < /etc/fstab if that output is fine for all our tests, you can cange to sed -i -e XXX /etc/fstab check what happes if script is called several times! |
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| 15:03.33 | _jordan_ | thanks ChrisH but that change some lines i dont want, i'll search if i can precise the line |
| 15:04.23 | ChrisH | _jordan_: if you need to be more precise, sed -r and the use of () might be your friends |
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| 15:07.02 | _jordan_ | ChrisH: I don't know if ill say thanks or cry. I'll pass one day to find the good expression i think. That's strange we cannot do this with a little commande line like "fstab /home +acl" ^^ |
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| 15:09.50 | ChrisH | _jordan_: you normally once create fstab and only change it if you add a new Filesystem. |
| 15:10.52 | _jordan_ | but for the first time, i have to generate it with my script, so that's the same |
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| 15:11.22 | Sandman1 | are these computers all the same, why not just copy the fstab to multiple computers |
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| 15:11.41 | _jordan_ | because of the uid |
| 15:11.46 | ChrisH | Sandman1: he uses UUID to mount... will not work |
| 15:11.49 | _jordan_ | uuid* |
| 15:12.23 | Sandman1 | ahhhh duh true |
| 15:12.37 | ChrisH | _jordan_: are you sure you want ACLs? My experience with ACL on all kinds of UNIX and Unix'ish systems was horrible |
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| 15:12.57 | babilen | _jordan_: Just incorporate /other/ invariant parts into the expression (e.g /home comes to mind) -- What is this really for? Could you give us a bit more of the story? |
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| 15:13.45 | _jordan_ | i need that a directory named intranet is free access for the group s_info but juste in read for the group www-data |
| 15:13.57 | _jordan_ | Can i do this in an other way ? |
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| 15:16.31 | ChrisH | _jordan_: chown s_info:www-data DIR ; chmod 750 DIR |
| 15:17.26 | ChrisH | _jordan_: inside DIR for files its 640 |
| 15:17.55 | p0wn3d | Does anyone have an opinion about Linux Mint Debian edition? |
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| 15:18.22 | babilen | p0wn3d: It's one of many Debian derivatives that is not supported in here. :) |
| 15:18.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell p0wn3d about lmde |
| 15:18.37 | _jordan_ | ChrisH: s_info is a group, i already try that but chown say s_info:www-data isn't valid |
| 15:19.55 | ChrisH | _jordan_: can you show us more on paste.debian.net incl example id -a from these users? and why readable for group www-data not owner? |
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| 15:23.20 | _jordan_ | in fact i don't understand very well the rights on linux but all docs said to put www-data as a reader of the files of you website (www-data is a group an user of apache) and the administrator as owner. The problem is my admin is a group |
| 15:24.35 | _jordan_ | the docs explains that www-data have not to be the owner |
| 15:24.46 | _jordan_ | (sorry for my english, i 'm french ^^) |
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| 15:25.20 | scotepi | is there a net install cd image that works on all architects? |
| 15:25.48 | ChrisH | _jordan_: your apache is expected to run as www-data user. so it might work to run as follow: chown www-data:s_info DIR ; chmod 570 DIR which us unusual, but possible. Option 2 have the users from s_info be part of the www-data group. or use the set-gid bit on DIR to force the files having the correct group owner. How to these users from s_group access the files? |
| 15:25.51 | scotepi | or atlest i386/amd64 |
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| 15:26.15 | babilen | scotepi: There is one that allows your to install either amd64 or i386 -- There is none that would work on all architectures. |
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| 15:26.37 | babilen | scotepi: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/multi-arch/ (for example, for the wheezy one with firmware) |
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| 15:26.58 | scotepi | thanks |
| 15:27.57 | ChrisH | _jordan_: As you state "in fact i don't understand very well the rights on linux" I personally strongly adivce NOT to use ACLs then! |
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| 15:29.23 | _jordan_ | ChrisH: the doc expllains that's not good for security to do chown www-data DIR, that's why i avoid this solution. s_info users are windows active directory users that connect to my server throw the windows explorer |
| 15:30.09 | m0ksha | i am using an ext3 formatted external usb on an nfs share and constantly getting an input output error (maybe once a day) and having to fsck to fix some journaling problems? how can I avoid this? thanks |
| 15:30.25 | Sandman1 | Bad drive? |
| 15:30.32 | m0ksha | its brand new |
| 15:30.38 | Sandman1 | are you umounting the drive then before removing it |
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| 15:31.01 | m0ksha | I don't remove it |
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| 15:31.26 | babilen | m0ksha: New drives might very well be broken too -- play with smartctl and run a couple of short/long tests and show us the output of "smartctl -a" along with the test results. |
| 15:31.38 | ChrisH | _jordan_: so these user connect via Samba? Then you can use samba options to put the permissions as you need them. |
| 15:31.39 | m0ksha | babilen, okay will do |
| 15:32.13 | ChrisH | m0ksha: but you unmount before fsck? fsck on a mounted Filesystem is useless or even dangerous. |
| 15:32.14 | babilen | m0ksha: "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" that is (with /dev/sdX being the device node of your disk (e.g. /dev/sda )) |
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| 15:36.26 | m0ksha | ChrisH, yes I unmount first |
| 15:36.33 | ChrisH | babilen: smartctl does not allways work on USB attached devices, at least thats my experience. |
| 15:36.46 | m0ksha | babilen, it says Device does not support self test logging |
| 15:36.46 | ChrisH | m0ksha: show us the dmesg output on paste.debian.net |
| 15:36.53 | m0ksha | Supports smart and is disabled |
| 15:37.24 | ChrisH | m0ksha: try to switch smart on... man smartctl |
| 15:38.30 | m0ksha | dmesg after connecting the drive? |
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| 15:39.33 | babilen | ChrisH: Ah, I missed the part about USB |
| 15:39.34 | ChrisH | m0ksha: dmesg with such an error included... leave it to use to skip the non-relevant paer |
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| 15:43.14 | m0ksha | smart wont turn on, i tried smartctl -s on /dev/sda1 |
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| 15:44.42 | ChrisH | m0ksha: smartctl -s on /dev/sda |
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| 15:44.59 | m0ksha | i did that too and it asks for disk type so i put -d scsi and it was the same result |
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| 15:45.29 | m0ksha | here is a paste of dmesg errors (just a section, cause it continues for a while) http://pastebin.com/h9A7yUvW |
| 15:45.31 | ChrisH | m0ksha: then it is related to the USB connection. |
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| 15:45.36 | shaquile | omg haven't been here for 10 years and now there more than 1300 people in here ^^ |
| 15:46.21 | ChrisH | m0ksha: please once more in paste.debian.net pastebin asks for captchas.... |
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| 15:49.11 | m0ksha | pastebin.com/23gw1ABw |
| 15:49.12 | m0ksha | before asking to specify disk type it also says /dev/sda: Unknown USB bridge [0x0bc2:0x3320 (0x100)] |
| 15:49.23 | ksuhku | !pastebin.com |
| 15:49.24 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:49.32 | ChrisH | m0ksha: pastebin.com/23gw1ABw is not http://paste.debian.net/ !!!!! |
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| 15:52.48 | m0ksha | sorry ChrisH didn't realize that! |
| 15:53.32 | m0ksha | so the USB connection is the problem causing the input/output error or it's preventing the smartctl tests? |
| 15:53.50 | Tarraq | Hi :) I have two S.M.A.R.T. disks running raid1 via software. Do I need / should I run self tests once in a while, or is that part of the raid? |
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| 15:54.07 | ChrisH | m0ksha: without seeing the dmesg its difficult to say, but at least USB prevents smart from working. |
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| 15:55.36 | ChrisH | Tarraq: In my opinion it makes sense to use smart to force the disk to test themself, but do not expect to much from smart. I run dd-reads on all my Raid 1 setups once per month at a time I hope the impact is minimized |
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| 15:56.41 | Tarraq | ChrisH: How heavy does it impact the disks? and should I run it on the actual disk or the raid? |
| 15:57.17 | Tarraq | ChrisH: well.. I had a disk failure where i'd loved to get something. two disks died at the same time. not very nice |
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| 15:58.15 | jelly | Tarraq: mdadm package can run a check and asks to run one if you dpkg-reconfigure it |
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| 15:58.55 | jelly | that is, a scheduled check via cron |
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| 16:00.23 | Tarraq | jelly: So how I'd do that? never fiddled this deep with raid before ;) |
| 16:00.42 | jelly | Tarraq: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
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| 16:02.23 | ChrisH | Tarraq: You need to run it on each single disk and it forces the diskfirmware to read each block and gives it the chance to move a suspiciuos block to some spare region. The impact on the disk is irrelevant, but the system gets slowed down. But it improves the chance to detect a faulty disk early enough to avoid data loss. For the record: Raid1 is no backup! |
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| 16:02.42 | Tarraq | jelly: hmm.. getting a "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3" with 3 different bins |
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| 16:03.13 | Tarraq | ChrisH: I know it's not backup. backup is a daily thing which puts nicely encrypted tar's on S3 :) |
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| 16:07.20 | jelly | Tarraq: that's an unrelated warning that will always happen when rebuilding initramfs image for any reason. Did the package ask for the regular array checks cron job, though?? |
| 16:07.42 | Tarraq | jelly: yes. :) first sunday at 01:06 |
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| 16:08.08 | Tarraq | jelly: so that should be ok. |
| 16:08.21 | ChrisH | Tarraq: So I use mdadm features to monitor disks and raids and I run my reading dd to force the disk. Its OK if only the dd is running, but if backup and dd is running (on my very slow old box) its nearly unusual. With non-ancient hw (no P3-500MHz) it should be OK :) |
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| 16:08.46 | jelly | Tarraq: if your network works you may ignore the missing tg3 firmware bits. |
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| 16:09.00 | Tarraq | jelly: it does :) |
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| 16:09.28 | Tarraq | ChrisH: it's 8-core, 32GB RAM, 2 x 1TB server :) not ancient at all |
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| 16:10.18 | jelly | Tarraq: a server? Hm, perhaps it'd be better to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 16:11.04 | jelly | I don't remember whether kernel updates might make tg3 module suddenly _require_ firmware, best not to take chances |
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| 16:11.56 | Tarraq | what does the package do? |
| 16:12.22 | jelly | provide the missing firmware update-initramfs warned about |
| 16:12.22 | Tarraq | jelly: ^ |
| 16:13.00 | m0ksha | why does the new kernel that i got from doing upgrade in wheezy give kernel panic? (says some problem with init not being found) |
| 16:13.12 | Sandman1 | probably cannot mount the root fs |
| 16:13.13 | Tarraq | jelly: ok. safe to install in production? kernel updatet (restart)? |
| 16:13.34 | jelly | Tarraq: yes; To use it? Yes. |
| 16:13.56 | jelly | or stop networking, rmmod and modprobe the driver back, start networking |
| 16:14.06 | jelly | Tarraq: /msg dpkg tg3 |
| 16:14.13 | Tarraq | jelly: done. server is remote. stopping networking will be a bad idea |
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| 16:14.41 | jelly | esp if you don't have console access, yes |
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| 16:15.33 | Tarraq | jelly: I'll do a rolling restart when proper. |
| 16:15.46 | Tarraq | have 2 servers where the one is currently hosting |
| 16:17.04 | jelly | Tarraq: alright. If what dpkg says is true, you might not need it at all. |
| 16:17.38 | Tarraq | jelly: already installed on the one server :) |
| 16:18.20 | Tarraq | jelly: but I guess it doesn't hurt. |
| 16:19.21 | jelly | NO WARRANTY |
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| 16:24.55 | bolt | something on my machine is sending out an IGMP packet every two minutes, from 0.0.0.0 to 224.0.0.1. how can I figure out what's doing that, besides stopping every single thing that's running one by one at each interval? |
| 16:25.35 | Tarraq | jelly: Nifty :D just crashed on me |
| 16:25.44 | Sandman1 | netstat or ss? |
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| 16:26.23 | Tarraq | jelly: doing a hardware reset. if it comes up, good. otherwise reinstall. a non-production system btw :) |
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| 16:26.39 | spleen | hello |
| 16:26.51 | bolt | Sandman1: I don't think netstat is able to track outbound igmp packages like that... is it? |
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| 16:27.09 | shaquile | I have no USB and no CD, I have mounted a new HDD to my windows system. How can I install Debian on it? |
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| 16:27.35 | Sandman1 | That I am unsure of unfortunately |
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| 16:29.13 | Walex | shaquile: you can do a network install from a server, or you can install to the hard disk before putting it on the new system. |
| 16:30.00 | et | bolt: instead of doing it one by one you can do a binary search ;) |
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| 16:30.05 | Walex | shaquile: if you have an existing Debian install you can just duplicate it to the new disk, put it in the new machine, and then edit config files to change hostname and IP addresses |
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| 16:30.34 | shaquile | Walex: I have no server and no existing. I'd like to install it to the HDD before putting it to the new system. |
| 16:30.34 | Walex | copies around partitions containing systems to avoid the bother of reinstalling. |
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| 16:31.32 | Trae32566-NE | >.> |
| 16:31.44 | Walex | shaquile: then just swap the disk with another system, do the install, swap back. Debian kernels and installs are not that system specific (except for architecture class obviously) |
| 16:31.49 | Trae32566-NE | be thankful *nix is pretty lenient in that sense |
| 16:31.50 | Trae32566-NE | heh |
| 16:32.01 | Trae32566-NE | Try throwing around a windows partition like that |
| 16:32.20 | shaquile | Walex: Problem is that I have no CD =) |
| 16:32.38 | shaquile | Walex: What do I need to do to make the HDD bootable? |
| 16:32.39 | Walex | Trae32566-NE: Can be done with MS-Windows too but it is exceptionally tricky indeed. |
| 16:32.53 | Sandman1 | shaquile: Do a net install, PXE boot it |
| 16:33.05 | Walex | shaquile: what do you mean with "no CD"? No CD drive, or no install CD disk? |
| 16:33.06 | Trae32566-NE | well I'm sure it can, just like I 'could' use LFS |
| 16:33.12 | shaquile | Walex: Neither |
| 16:33.30 | Trae32566-NE | there's a reason I don't do either of those though |
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| 16:33.35 | Walex | shaquile: any kind of removable media? |
| 16:33.37 | shaquile | Walex: At the moment I have the new HDD connected to my computer. |
| 16:33.52 | Walex | shaquile: ah fine, then use 'deboostrap' |
| 16:33.55 | shaquile | Walex: Nope, can't find my USB drives.. I have a USB-HDD but I don't want to format it. |
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| 16:34.43 | Walex | shaquile: I hope your install system has an internet connection... |
| 16:35.13 | jskinner | Quick question regarding debian squeeze. is there a way when running the mount -t nfs command to have it default to using nfsvers=3 without actually having to specify it in the command? |
| 16:35.17 | shaquile | Walex: Yeah it has =) It's on this computer.. |
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| 16:35.44 | Trae32566-NE | anyone seen rww lately? |
| 16:36.05 | shaquile | Walex: In my mind I had pictured this.. "Download some files to the HDD, rip the windows HDD, boot the new one and install it from there until we have internet access.. then apt-get the rest" |
| 16:37.29 | Sandman1 | Cant you have the windows boot loader at least load syslinux thus boot to the installer |
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| 16:38.42 | Trae32566-NE | probably best to keep the windows bootloader first in dual boot |
| 16:38.50 | Trae32566-NE | otherwise you'll lose hibernate functionality |
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| 16:39.25 | Trae32566-NE | (unless there's some magic I've not heard of for GRUB) |
| 16:39.38 | juniorsa | Hi, I'm doing an apt-get remove munin and I am getting invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of stop. - any ideas? |
| 16:39.55 | esaym153 | anyone remember a command that would search through all source code files in a directory and compare them all and return a list of the ones that have similarities? I think I saw it on planet.debian or some other debian blog... |
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| 16:42.15 | Walex | shaquile: you can do like you think. but it is a bit more work. Like you put a liveCD image on the new hard disk towards let's say the end, boot that, and use that to do the install. |
| 16:43.01 | Walex | shaquile: but I think that easiest thing you do is run 'deboostrap' from MS-Windows using a VM, do a full install to the HD, and then put the HD into the new system. |
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| 16:43.30 | DaisyTheCow | Does anyone have any experience of recovering data using Gparted? |
| 16:43.42 | shaquile | Walex: Allright.. thanks |
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| 16:51.27 | esaym153 | n/m found it http://noone.org/blog/page/2 |
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| 17:15.10 | _martin | hi, im searching a resource saving webservice |
| 17:15.15 | _martin | andy suggestions? |
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| 17:23.42 | bolt | _martin: be more specific |
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| 17:23.56 | bolt | _martin: what are you trying to save, and why? |
| 17:24.08 | _martin | i got an old slow nas |
| 17:24.14 | _martin | #php recommended nginx, lighttpd |
| 17:24.52 | invariant | _martin, #php also recommends PHP |
| 17:25.01 | _martin | :O |
| 17:25.08 | ChibaPet | This disqualifies them. |
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| 17:25.47 | bolt | _martin: what kind of programs are you looking for replacements for? |
| 17:26.41 | invariant | How can I search for xslt template definitions with name foo? |
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| 17:26.55 | invariant | (I don't need to hear how awful it is or for what I am using it.) |
| 17:27.06 | _martin | atm i got apache but when calling a site from the nas, it needs about 60 seconds to render it |
| 17:27.38 | bolt | _martin: in that case, #php made decent suggestions |
| 17:27.42 | invariant | _martin, Apache on a Wrist Watch? |
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| 17:28.14 | _martin | i got here a 200mhz machine with 128ram (sparc) |
| 17:28.16 | invariant | _martin, or use uhttpd. |
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| 17:28.35 | invariant | _martin, I would recommend to direct it to the garbage bin. |
| 17:28.41 | _martin | no! |
| 17:28.42 | ok4 | Hello |
| 17:29.12 | _martin | I'll try some other software, thanks :) |
| 17:29.13 | invariant | Economic value of a machine 15 times that speed is perhaps 40USD. |
| 17:29.41 | bolt | hey, if it still works, it has probably proven its reliability 15 times over |
| 17:29.52 | bolt | if it's fast enough to do the job using other software, why not? |
| 17:29.58 | bolt | it'll be "green" |
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| 17:30.38 | ok4 | Hi, I'm trying to install ia32-libs into debian 6 testing 64bit. But, apparently this is not possible. There is some sort of alsa conflict. This is on a totaly clean fresh install of debian, with multiarch enabled. |
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| 17:31.15 | ok4 | ERROR: /var/cache/apt/archives/libasound2_1.0.25-4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/alsa/cards/USB-Audio.conf', which is different from other instances of package libasound2:i386 |
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| 17:33.49 | ok4 | any ideas? |
| 17:34.36 | unkmar | not a one. I have not had any success with the so called Official Live hybrids on USB flash drives. |
| 17:34.49 | zykotick9 | ok4: are you using squeeze or wheezy? what does "lsb_release -sc" return? |
| 17:35.09 | ok4 | Using wheezy |
| 17:35.28 | zykotick9 | ok4: squeeze is debian 6, wheezy is 7. ;) |
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| 17:35.55 | zykotick9 | ok4: testing did give it away though |
| 17:36.52 | ok4 | any idea about the error? |
| 17:36.59 | zykotick9 | see "/msg dpkg multiarch" for some details. i run wheezy, but haven't had to run anything requiring 32bit yet, so i have no idea how it really works. good luck. |
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| 17:38.22 | ok4 | it seems as though the preinstalled alsa libs conflict with the the ia32-libs alsa libraries. |
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| 17:38.56 | zykotick9 | ok4: something i am confused about in this regard. ia32-libs is a dependency for some crappy programs out there, and i "think" you can install it (but multiarch's purpose was to remove this requirement?) by "adding an architecture"??? with apt somehow. |
| 17:39.06 | unkmar | okay, nevermind that first complaint. Moving along. How would I go about creating an install media on USB. Not a CD. I'm working with a nettop here. I have an SD slot and usb ports and I don't have any optical media available. |
| 17:39.56 | zykotick9 | unkmar: you can "cat" the debian iso (they're hybrid) to the root of your USB device (no partition number!) |
| 17:40.34 | zykotick9 | usb install |
| 17:40.45 | unkmar | soooo. It wouldn't be sdb1 it would be sdb. |
| 17:41.00 | unkmar | hence the goofball mistake I made. thank you. |
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| 17:42.05 | zykotick9 | unkmar: right. sdb is what you need (fyi, i erases everything on that usb media) see "/msg dpkg usb install" for links/details |
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| 17:43.12 | unkmar | yeah yeah yeah, thanks for the warning. Sit back and enjoy the ride. Poof, bye failed attempts and lack of data. :) |
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| 17:43.21 | unkmar | Seriously, Thanks for helping. |
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| 17:57.05 | Anirban1987 | I am unable to start GUI in debian |
| 17:57.11 | Anirban1987 | anybody pls help |
| 17:57.50 | well_laid_lawn | Anirban1987: what happens when you try? |
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| 17:59.11 | Anirban1987 | well_laid_lawn : service gdm3 start |
| 17:59.14 | Anirban1987 | FAILED :( |
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| 17:59.49 | well_laid_lawn | Anirban1987: that's useful. tried looking at the logs? |
| 18:00.03 | Anirban1987 | what log ? |
| 18:00.18 | Anirban1987 | PS : I am a newbie !! |
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| 18:01.19 | well_laid_lawn | Anirban1987: there are logs in /var/logs. Try the Xorg.0.log and gdm's log |
| 18:01.27 | well_laid_lawn | Anirban1987: there are logs in /var/log. Try the Xorg.0.log and gdm's log |
| 18:01.48 | well_laid_lawn | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:03.24 | PigDude | hi, can somebody recommend a simple, effective backup tool? I need to back up some privileged directories (logs and such)? |
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| 18:03.28 | PigDude | as well as users' home directories |
| 18:03.38 | PigDude | I don't need a full system backup |
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| 18:04.25 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | tar and bzip2 |
| 18:04.26 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | :> |
| 18:04.45 | PigDude | i do that now but it wastes space on the server |
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| 18:05.14 | PigDude | i asked this about year ago and teh consensus was that my approach sucked (it was local rsync on server -> tgz -> scp to home) |
| 18:05.23 | Anirban1987 | well_laid_lawn : they are empty ! |
| 18:05.24 | PigDude | they recommended better tools btu i've lost the notes |
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| 18:07.42 | initself | i changed /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts to a new hostname, but i still get the old one when logging in. what did I miss? |
| 18:08.34 | well_laid_lawn | Anirban1987: use the tab key to complete the filenames |
| 18:08.35 | initself | uname -n apparently didn't change |
| 18:08.45 | zykotick9 | PigDude: i'd consider compressing "backups" suspect. if anything happens to any part of that file, you loose everything. if space isn't a factor, just rsync makes the best backup tool IMO. |
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| 18:09.07 | Towzzer | initself- did you restart? |
| 18:09.09 | invariant | How can I do full-text search in all packages? |
| 18:09.17 | PigDude | zykotick9, sure, it's just so slow to copy file by file :( |
| 18:09.26 | invariant | (meaning: including the ones I don't have installed) |
| 18:09.33 | PigDude | zykotick9, and then i need to ssh as some root account? |
| 18:09.34 | Towzzer | if you want the hostname to be applied right now, type: hostname <hostname> |
| 18:09.50 | initself | Towzzer++ |
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| 18:10.01 | PigDude | zykotick9, obviously i can't rsync as my own user for other users, and i won't allow root ssh |
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| 18:10.38 | ok4 | hi |
| 18:10.39 | zykotick9 | PigDude: there are certainly arguments that go the other direction. but for archival data integrity, compressing isn't the greatest. |
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| 18:11.13 | PigDude | so what do i do about the permissions hthing? |
| 18:11.32 | zykotick9 | ? wish i had a good answer. best of luck! |
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| 18:11.47 | PigDude | :\ |
| 18:11.55 | ok4 | I'm a little new to Debian. Is multiarch something that replaces the ia32-libs scheme? |
| 18:11.58 | PigDude | surely this is a common issue, but i'm no sysadmin. anyone have an idea about this? |
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| 18:12.54 | ekiwok | invariant, does grep help? |
| 18:12.54 | invariant | PigDude, the problem with backups is that each situation is slightly different. |
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| 18:13.14 | invariant | ekiwok, jelly told me that I should ignore wrong answers. |
| 18:13.35 | Anirban1987 | anybody pls help me how to start GUI in debian |
| 18:13.40 | ok4 | In Debian wheezy 64bit I am unable to install ia32-libs due to alsa conflicts and the mutliarch (:amd64 or :i386) doesn't really work either since I get brocken package errors |
| 18:13.42 | invariant | PigDude, in your case your requirements for example are already slighlty inconsistent. |
| 18:13.49 | invariant | slightly |
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| 18:14.16 | invariant | PigDude, to backup root readable files, *something* needs to run as root obviously. |
| 18:14.31 | mtn | Anirban1987: you are being helped in the other channel |
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| 18:14.41 | invariant | PigDude, all of the suggestions you have in your mind right now indeed have already been adressed. |
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| 18:15.11 | PigDude | invariant, sure, that's why i used to have it as a root cron job: it ran a bash script that put everything in an archive, which was then moved to a location where my backup user could copy it |
| 18:15.23 | PigDude | invariant, i don't want to give my backup user wheel perms |
| 18:15.27 | PigDude | *group |
| 18:15.30 | ok4 | Anirban1987: When you install Debian choose the graphical install and follow the wizard. You should get a GUI auto. |
| 18:15.46 | invariant | PigDude, your backup user doesn't need a shell. |
| 18:15.55 | PigDude | of course not |
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| 18:16.19 | PigDude | but it does need to have access to some files that only wheel can read. this is why i have a root cron job copy to a tgz |
| 18:16.30 | PigDude | but everybody before said this was a poor idea, that there were better tools |
| 18:16.49 | invariant | PigDude, you cannot backup something without root, unless you create a robot. |
| 18:16.51 | mtn | ok4: did you read the debian wiki on multiarch? It seems to work quite well. |
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| 18:17.23 | PigDude | invariant, i can't tell if you're just arguing with me or if you actually know of tools that can help me with this. it's not exactly a novel problem, but i'm a bit lost when i look at the tools out there |
| 18:17.25 | invariant | PigDude, so, you halt the machine for a few seconds, make a copy of the harddisk, and then put the disk back :) |
| 18:17.32 | PigDude | hehe |
| 18:17.33 | ok4 | I read about it. I tried it and doesn't work for me. |
| 18:17.42 | invariant | PigDude, all tools suck, imho. |
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| 18:17.49 | invariant | PigDude, some suck slightly less. |
| 18:17.58 | PigDude | so you would use my bash script and lose ~4G of disk space method? |
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| 18:18.04 | PigDude | i don't like this method :( |
| 18:18.06 | mtn | ok4: maybe you should tell us the actual error messages and commands |
| 18:18.13 | invariant | PigDude, e.g. Bacula is used in large installations. |
| 18:18.21 | invariant | PigDude, but I don't recommend it. |
| 18:18.27 | PigDude | what is bad about it? |
| 18:18.36 | PigDude | besides the www design |
| 18:18.37 | invariant | In fact, I don't recommend any solution, because all of them such in various ways. |
| 18:18.37 | ok4 | You can't install build-essential:AMD64 and build-essential:i386 for example |
| 18:18.47 | PigDude | how do you back things up? sh scripts? |
| 18:18.53 | PigDude | + rsync? |
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| 18:19.02 | invariant | My solution takes 1000+ lines of extra programming. |
| 18:19.04 | mtn | ok4: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html |
| 18:19.10 | PigDude | the nice thing about my approach is it would rsync the dirs, so the time spent moving things around on the server was minimal |
| 18:19.18 | invariant | Unless you are a magician like me, you will never get it to work. |
| 18:19.34 | invariant | It's close to perfection. |
| 18:19.51 | PigDude | i'm going to leave now, i hope you've entertained yourself! |
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| 18:20.13 | jacklk | invariant: http://s9.postimg.org/utegbonlr/lol.jpg |
| 18:20.16 | ok4 | PigDudee: place your data in home and you will have no perm backup issues |
| 18:20.29 | ekiwok | PigDude, dd is awesome for backup and easy to use |
| 18:20.54 | ok4 | mtn: What's up with the attitude dude? I've been struggling with this for days. Endless googling. |
| 18:21.12 | jelly-home | Tarraq: oh well |
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| 18:21.35 | mtn | ok4: you need to ask good questions so people can understand your problem. without good questions you won't get good answers. |
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| 18:22.56 | ok4 | mtn: ok. On a totally clean Debian Wheezy 64bit system I enabled multiarch by adding i386 and tried to install ia32-libs. Could no due to alsa conflicts. |
| 18:23.05 | ok4 | error msg was:... |
| 18:23.26 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell ok4 about bat |
| 18:23.44 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell ok4 about multiarch howto |
| 18:23.51 | ok4 | "/var/cache/apt/archives/libasound2_1.0.25-4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/alsa/cards/USB-Audio.conf', which is different from other instances of package libasound2:i386" |
| 18:24.17 | jelly-home | ok4: can you show the complete command and its full output? |
| 18:24.52 | jelly-home | ok4: in short, follow the basic-apt-troubleshooting (bat) protocol |
| 18:24.57 | jacklk | dpkg, tell jelly-home about shit |
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| 18:25.06 | jelly-home | !ops jacklk |
| 18:25.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: jacklk |
| 18:25.20 | jacklk | !ops jelly-home |
| 18:25.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jacklk complains about: jelly-home |
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| 18:26.30 | Corey | jacklk: Give it a rest. |
| 18:26.40 | dawud | bored, Mr. Kenyon? |
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| 18:40.47 | jiffe98 | I've included the gluster wheezy repo which seems to have packages with the same name as the ftp.us.debian.org repo but it doesn't seem to matter which order I put things in in the sources file it always pulls up the one from the ftp.us.debian.org repo |
| 18:40.57 | jiffe98 | at least when I use apt-cache show |
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| 18:55.49 | unkmar | zykotick9: I blame you. That works! |
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| 19:04.07 | kro[au] | Any recommended info on setting IPv6 (Single one using inet6 static / address / netmask /gateway) in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:05.28 | xand | kro[au]: umm that is pretty simple, isn't it in the manpage? |
| 19:05.47 | brontosaurusrex | what would be some really basic wm that allows desktop icons and drag/droping to those icons? |
| 19:06.09 | xand | kro[au]: it's the same as ipv4 except you put "inet6" instead of "inet", and the subnet mask is just the prefix length e.g. "64" |
| 19:06.50 | kro[au] | xand, thats correct - as much as I thought, and all over google as well. Everything is correct. |
| 19:06.57 | kro[au] | die debian die >< |
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| 19:07.05 | xand | ... |
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| 19:07.24 | brill | kro[au]: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 19:11.39 | Larzix | is it possible to copy the display driver files from one PC to another ? (PCs have the same hardware ) |
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| 19:13.25 | wolf85kunst | how to do to add testing (sid) repository on debian ? |
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| 19:13.49 | wolf85kunst | to have a sid debian version ? how can i do ? |
| 19:14.20 | Walex | wolf85kunst: the 'testing' archive is not that for the never-happening 'sid' release, that is the 'unstable' archive |
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| 19:18.13 | wolf85kunst | can you explain the difference btw testing and sid ? |
| 19:19.51 | Larzix | wolf85kunst: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 19:21.00 | wolf85kunst | ok |
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| 19:21.21 | wolf85kunst | so how can i do download unstable debian ? |
| 19:21.44 | wolf85kunst | i dont see any link |
| 19:22.22 | Towzzer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:23.18 | socomm | What is the debian equivalent of redhats kickstart? |
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| 19:24.22 | Towzzer | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 19:25.28 | wolf85kunst | thanks for the link |
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| 19:26.24 | wolf85kunst | and what is the repository that i can add on my squeese to get all the last version sofware ? |
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| 19:27.34 | Stameni | can i somehow set a script that will automaticly remove assaultCube if i install it, and blindly type some pasword that i can never figure out ? |
| 19:27.45 | Larzix | wolf85kunst: just apt-get update && upgrade , then install the package you need |
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| 19:28.44 | Larzix | Stameni: why do you wanna do such a weird thing ? :) |
| 19:28.47 | Towzzer | what was that about |
| 19:28.53 | Towzzer | will the real abrotman stand up |
| 19:28.57 | Stameni | because i think i am an addict |
| 19:29.16 | abrotman | Towzzer: repeat problem |
| 19:29.28 | Towzzer | wash, rinse, repeat problem |
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| 19:29.39 | Larzix | Stameni: what if you delete the created script and keep your game ? :) |
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| 19:30.22 | Stameni | Larzix, thats what i want to know, how to set a password to a file, i will not look wile i type nonsence on the keyboard |
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| 19:30.46 | Stameni | can a file be protected even from root accaunt ? |
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| 19:31.26 | Stameni | ( i can beet my addiction other ways, but this looks like an apportunity to learn something new :) ) |
| 19:31.35 | AFlyingMonkey | Im trying to setup postfix right now, the myorigin setting should be set to the domain name I want added to all emails not sent with a specific domain name correct? |
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| 19:32.15 | Larzix | Stameni: you can protect it from root only with a password, and if you dont know that, no1 can open it (assuming u used strong password) |
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| 19:32.25 | surrealillusion | I've tried running apt-get update and i'm trying to install php5-fpm but it can't be found, is it not part of the main repo? |
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| 19:32.43 | Stameni | Larzix, can u point me to some feference abaut such passwords ? |
| 19:32.47 | fahi | Stameni: not to my knowledge; unless you utilize a role-based access control system |
| 19:32.52 | Stameni | reference |
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| 19:33.52 | Stameni | fahi, stop talking alien |
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| 19:34.39 | Larzix | Stameni : http://www.cyberciti.biz/hardware/howto-linux-hard-disk-encryption-with-luks-cryptsetup-command/ |
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| 19:35.31 | Stameni | Larzix, tnx, i`ll have a look |
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| 19:35.57 | Larzix | Stameni: my pleasure |
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| 19:36.33 | fahi | Stameni: There are systems that address the root-can-do-everything issue by having multiple superusers. I don't think that is what you are after however. gpg --encrypt --symmetric should do fine in your case I guess |
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| 19:37.16 | Stameni | fahi, tnx, i`ll have a look at that too |
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| 19:38.23 | Larzix | question : i have file1, file2 in a directory. Also file1~ and file2~ when i do ls -l , what are the ones with ~ ? |
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| 19:39.40 | ompaul | Larzix: generally some kind of backup made by software that edited file1 and file2 however until you check out your editor with a test you can't be 100% sure, but I'm 99.9999999999% certain, there must always be room to be wrong. |
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| 19:49.32 | htor | hi! where can i find information about setting up jack/jackd in debian? |
| 19:49.44 | htor | the wiki.debian.org doesn't have anything on this |
| 19:49.51 | abrotman | jack is a program .. you mean jackd ? |
| 19:49.57 | abrotman | judd: info jack |
| 19:49.58 | judd | Package jack (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: Rip and encode CDs with one command. Version: 3.1.1+cvs20050801-26+b1; Size: 144.8k; Installed: 656k |
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| 19:50.32 | htor | JACK (JACK Audio Connection Kit) |
| 19:50.38 | htor | recursive acronym |
| 19:51.16 | htor | qjackctl is the package i'm talking about |
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| 19:52.03 | htor | and i'm looking for some documentation for jackd, basically |
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| 19:52.16 | Larzix | i'd like to copy display driver files from HDD to LiveCD (for debian live) i have problem installing on liveCD so i would like to move the files and config settings. Can anyone help ? |
| 19:52.40 | MO_Handes | wine seems to be installed but it does not appear in menus and ~/.wine does not exist. what is the problem? http://paste.debian.net/249759/ |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | htor: /usr/share/doc/jackd/ ? |
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| 19:53.58 | htor | abrotman: doesn't exist |
| 19:54.10 | abrotman | darn well should |
| 19:54.30 | htor | well that's too bad |
| 19:54.31 | abrotman | htor: which version of linux is this? |
| 19:54.40 | abrotman | oh, sorry, it |
| 19:54.50 | abrotman | it's /usr/share/doc/jackd1/ or jackd2/ |
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| 19:56.36 | htor | abrotman: okay, i found /usr/share/doc/qjackctl/* |
| 19:56.56 | abrotman | you sholud have jackd1 or jackd2 installed also |
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| 19:57.28 | MO_Handes | wine seems to be installed but it does not appear in menus and ~/.wine does not exist. what is the problem? http://paste.debian.net/249759/ |
| 19:57.58 | shaquile | Can I use a USB-HDD instead of a bootable USB-stick for installing debian? |
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| 19:58.06 | htor | abrotman: yeah, thanks |
| 19:58.45 | abrotman | shaquile: they have an hd-media if your bios supports that |
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| 20:00.59 | shaquile | abrotman: I can't really find a good guide if I'm on windows now |
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| 20:02.31 | shaquile | abrotman: http://16s.us/Linux/debian_usb.txt |
| 20:02.38 | shaquile | abrotman: Maybe this will word from a windows machine |
| 20:02.40 | willdude123 | My ajaxterm installation is operating on localhost:8022. How can I make it work externally? |
| 20:02.54 | willdude123 | It works fine AFAIK when I use lynx for testing. |
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| 20:03.38 | abrotman | shaquile: oh not sure about from windows |
| 20:04.43 | willdude123 | So AFAIK it works fine from local testing but I can't connect remotely? |
| 20:04.47 | shaquile | abrotman: Bah.. I'll freak out soon.. there must be an easy way just to copy some files to the HDD and boot it from there. |
| 20:04.52 | willdude123 | Can anyone help with ajaxterm? |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | willdude123: did you check your apache config? |
| 20:05.57 | willdude123 | What do I have to do with it? No, I didn't. |
| 20:06.47 | abrotman | willdude123: look in /usr/share/doc/ajaxterm/ .. i looked at my config, can't find it |
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| 20:08.43 | willdude123 | abrotman: The stuff in there is: |
| 20:08.45 | willdude123 | README.Debian README.txt.gz changelog.Debian.gz copyright examples |
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| 20:09.10 | abrotman | so .. read them? |
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| 20:09.20 | willdude123 | Oh OK> |
| 20:09.39 | willdude123 | What if we don't want ssl? |
| 20:10.05 | abrotman | i would think you do .. you know .. passwords and such ? |
| 20:10.15 | willdude123 | Ah yes. |
| 20:10.37 | willdude123 | Would it work from an old browser that has never been to the site before? |
| 20:11.01 | MO_Handes | uh, seems I need to add i386 architecture to dpkg in order to install wine? eh? |
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| 20:14.54 | isaias | hello |
| 20:15.22 | isaias | can someone give me ideas on a little project I can do? I'm learning how to use the terminal, getting the hang of it :P |
| 20:15.23 | willdude123 | abrotman: Is ssl required for it to work? |
| 20:16.06 | willdude123 | abrotman: I want it to be working before I set ssl up. |
| 20:16.23 | abrotman | wouldn't even try it without ssl |
| 20:16.32 | willdude123 | But it should work. |
| 20:16.39 | willdude123 | And it doesn't. |
| 20:16.57 | willdude123 | I want to get it working before I tamper with ssl. |
| 20:18.37 | willdude123 | Arrgh. |
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| 20:19.31 | erickr | Is there any global autocomplete-feature in some packages for linux desktops? |
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| 20:21.21 | zooz | is there a way to disable/bypass postinstall script when installing a package? |
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| 20:23.18 | Linx998 | Hi ! |
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| 20:24.23 | invariant | zooz, don't use the tools to begin with and only run what you need. |
| 20:25.20 | invariant | zooz, reporting a bug/fixing it would be smarter in general. |
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| 20:26.10 | zooz | invariant, it's not really a bug |
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| 20:26.36 | zooz | it's just something which debian maintainers still think is a good idea to start services after a package install |
| 20:26.39 | jack_boss | anyone know of a wgetpaste package for debian, i know it from gentoo... thx |
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| 20:27.49 | willdude123 | Where is httpd-vhosts.conf by default in debian? |
| 20:27.59 | invariant | zooz, why would it not be? |
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| 20:28.23 | invariant | zooz, also, you can first write to some configuration file which will stio it from starting. |
| 20:28.26 | invariant | zooz, stop |
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| 20:29.02 | invariant | zooz, so, I disagree with your assertion that you have to resort to such invasive methods to obtain your goals. |
| 20:29.19 | zooz | invariant, because it's year 2013, nowadays we have configuration management systems and proper automation frameworks :-) |
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| 20:29.53 | digdilem | not all of us |
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| 20:30.34 | invariant | zooz, how is that relevant? |
| 20:30.39 | invariant | zooz, (because it is not) |
| 20:30.56 | zooz | how do I configure it not to start by default? |
| 20:31.06 | invariant | zooz, depends on the service. |
| 20:31.09 | digdilem | don't frameworks like puppet tend to have their own packaging/install scripts? |
| 20:31.14 | zooz | I am talking about mysql |
| 20:31.30 | invariant | zooz, also, aren't most of these configuration management system rather stupid out of the box? |
| 20:31.41 | shaquile | Fuckit.. I just went to the store to buy some DVDs for burning the image.. I thought I never had to do that again. |
| 20:31.41 | zooz | digdilem, why would they? it's always best to use distribution provided packages |
| 20:31.45 | invariant | zooz, you seem to be the walking proof of that. |
| 20:32.09 | invariant | zooz, because on the one hand you say that you are so cool that you use a CM system and on the other hand, you are asking how to automate something. |
| 20:32.21 | invariant | zooz, if those CM systems were to great, they had already done that. |
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| 20:32.56 | invariant | zooz, which brings me to the inevitable conclusion: CM systems aren't that great and are rather trivial to implement. |
| 20:33.12 | zooz | invariant, that's not true |
| 20:33.22 | invariant | zooz, the thing with value are the well-written modules (which are generally not available). |
| 20:33.27 | invariant | things |
| 20:33.31 | zooz | anyway, I guess, you do not know the answer to my question |
| 20:33.35 | invariant | zooz, because? |
| 20:33.59 | invariant | zooz, show me an example of a problem which a CM system solves out of the box. |
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| 20:34.11 | zooz | CM systems are just frameworks |
| 20:34.20 | invariant | zooz, something more complex than 'can install a list of packages'. |
| 20:35.11 | invariant | zooz, why would I want to have yet another key distribution problem (which is what puppet and cfengine try to encourage you to setup)? |
| 20:35.46 | zooz | invariant, how do you manage thousands of systems ? |
| 20:35.49 | invariant | cfengine cannot even setup a mailinglist. |
| 20:36.05 | invariant | Go to their mailinglist and see the wrong certificates. |
| 20:36.19 | invariant | Why should they be trusted when they cannot even do that? |
| 20:36.23 | htor | my system's root partition is getting full - now i can't upgrade my kernel :-( |
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| 20:36.54 | htor | (1st world problems really) |
| 20:37.10 | zooz | invariant, I cannot talk about cfengine, as I have never used it |
| 20:37.19 | invariant | zooz, so, talk about puppet. |
| 20:37.25 | zooz | what about it? |
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| 20:37.52 | invariant | zooz, I don't know, you could say something positive about it. |
| 20:38.11 | invariant | zooz, meanwhile performance data shows that puppet technically is inferior to cfengine. |
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| 20:45.21 | acu | hey guys- does anyone know how to clone a KVM libvirt Virtual Machine made on LVM storage ? It seem that the clone on Virtual Manager is not possible, so I guess the only resort is cloning the Logical Volume where the Virtual Machine resides - and that is my question ? |
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| 20:46.31 | jordanm | acu, should just be able to create a snapshot then copy the virtual disk |
| 20:46.47 | jordanm | i haven't tested that, but sounds like it should work |
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| 20:58.44 | acu | jordanm, I actually solved it - create a LV same size on another VG - then dd my original to the LV newly created |
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| 21:22.52 | unkmar | As before. the "Official Live" debian still doesn't work. Won't boot gui and won't install. :( |
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| 21:28.22 | mindflash | Are you using AMD/ATI graphics? Debian can't boot live with those because it requires proprietary firmware. You have to boot it with "radeon.nomodeset=0" flag set so it will use standard VESA (no acceleration) |
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| 21:29.50 | izanagisan | good afternoon |
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| 21:30.06 | izanagisan | one server stopped booting today, I ran fsck |
| 21:30.30 | izanagisan | but still boots on read-only mode. I rad df -h and saw that it's full |
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| 21:30.46 | izanagisan | actually it seems one disck from the RAID failed and the server 'filled up' instantly |
| 21:30.54 | izanagisan | don't know if that makes sense |
| 21:31.31 | izanagisan | somebody told me to try and 'escape' from read-only mode by doing mount / -n -o remount,rw |
| 21:31.44 | izanagisan | and now I can't even enter in single-user mode!! |
| 21:31.51 | izanagisan | I'm torn to pieces, we've been down for hours |
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| 21:33.32 | izanagisan | is there something I can do? |
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| 21:36.33 | izanagisan | :' ( |
| 21:36.56 | erennn | izanagisan, relax dude light a cigarette |
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| 21:39.53 | brian-ie | izanagisan: Boot from a live cd of some kind and mount the full filesystem and clean up some space? |
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| 21:44.59 | shaquile | I just installed debian with the desktop gui package.. how do I start X novadays? |
| 21:45.38 | milosn | startx? |
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| 21:48.20 | ChibaPet | shaquile: You should have gotten gdm3 by default. |
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| 21:50.03 | shaquile | ChibaPet: Maybe I did :) How do I start it? |
| 21:50.29 | ChibaPet | shaquile: It ought to start at boot if the X server can make heads or tails of your graphics hardware. |
| 21:50.38 | ChibaPet | shaquile: Is it not doing that? |
| 21:50.47 | shaquile | ChibaPet: It certanly is not.. |
| 21:51.00 | shaquile | ChibaPet: I'm in the terminal.. like I was for 15 years ago =) |
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| 21:51.19 | milosn | thats not terminal, thats new gnome3 |
| 21:51.23 | milosn | embrace the future |
| 21:51.26 | milosn | :P |
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| 21:53.40 | shaquile | This seems nice... http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#How_to_install_Xfce |
| 21:55.00 | ChibaPet | shaquile: I don't remember where X logs its start-up errors, but they might say something. Try running "X" and see if it says anything. |
| 21:55.13 | shaquile | Thanks |
| 21:55.28 | ChibaPet | Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:55.30 | ChibaPet | also |
| 21:55.44 | ChibaPet | and probably verify that gdm3 is installed |
| 21:56.00 | ChibaPet | FINALLY... I'd recommend looking at Gnome 3 if you're using Wheezy, as it's quite pleasant. |
| 21:56.07 | mmnicolas | I've bought some gaming headset which happens to be a usb headset (didn't read the package), it shows up in alsamixer but how can I set it at the default card ? being able to do it temporarily without superuser would be awesome |
| 21:57.19 | mmnicolas | *as the default card |
| 21:57.27 | shaquile | ChibaPet: I thought I'd try Xfce.. what do you think about it? |
| 21:57.43 | babilen | mmnicolas: I would use pulseaudio/pavucontrol and switch sinks on the fly -- You can probably get this running with alsa (read up on alsa.conf), but I would be surprised if you could switch the default card without superuser privileges or hassle. |
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| 21:58.20 | ChibaPet | shaquile: XFCE is fine. It's like Gnome 2. If you liked Gnome 2 you'll like XFCE4. |
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| 21:59.54 | unkmar | mmnicolas: I have a short script I use. |
| 21:59.58 | redShadow | hi guys.. is anybody else experiencing this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659956 |
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| 22:00.21 | unkmar | makes use of, "arecord -l | grep card" for listing available cards and their magic number. |
| 22:01.06 | unkmar | then it changes my existing .asoundrc file at a specific point. It looks sort of like this. |
| 22:01.22 | unkmar | defaults.pcm.card 1 |
| 22:01.24 | htor | !anyone |
| 22:01.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 22:01.33 | redShadow | I see they say it should be fixed upstream, but it looks like it's not; it happens to me when connecting from a wheezy machine to another wheezy I just installed (both from virsh and virt-manager), but not when connecting from the same machine to another squeeze+wheezy server, with same version of libvirt.. |
| 22:01.34 | unkmar | defaults.ctl card 1 |
| 22:01.38 | unkmar | defaults.timer.card 1 |
| 22:02.07 | mmnicolas | interesting |
| 22:02.18 | unkmar | There is more to my .asoundrc file, but not if it really works or matters at this point. |
| 22:02.46 | unkmar | of course that is ~/.asoundrc |
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| 22:03.40 | unkmar | mmnicolas: anything that was already using sound, IE (browser) will need to be restarted to detect the new current default. |
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| 22:04.07 | unkmar | mmnicolas: you don't have to restart X or the machine, Just the programs you want to use the new setting. |
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| 22:04.29 | unkmar | mmnicolas: its great for letting music play via speakers and having game audio through a usb headset. |
| 22:05.43 | unkmar | mmnicolas: typically, your default onboard sound is 0 and the first additional sound card or usb headset will be 1. so you can generally just use those numbers and test... |
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| 22:05.58 | unkmar | mmnicolas: without having to check the arecord -l listing. |
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| 22:11.53 | mmnicolas | yea, works for playback, lets see if its enough for recording |
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| 22:12.35 | htor | let's see now... let's simulate the universe... |
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| 22:12.53 | htor | hmm... ..interesting... yes.. |
| 22:12.59 | htor | quite so.. |
| 22:13.19 | mmnicolas | we don't have to go that far, I ran the game, it works |
| 22:14.15 | htor | the game of life! |
| 22:14.22 | htor | it works! |
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| 22:14.28 | mmnicolas | I'll just bind a script to some key to correct thoses card numbers |
| 22:14.59 | unkmar | mmnicolas: I was about to provide a pastebin of my script. |
| 22:15.06 | mmnicolas | unkmar: please do! |
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| 22:15.58 | erennn | guys |
| 22:16.04 | erennn | obama was on whitehouse live |
| 22:16.11 | erennn | http://www.whitehouse.gov/live |
| 22:16.28 | mmnicolas | any particular reason we should care ? |
| 22:16.40 | mmnicolas | net neutrality stuff ? |
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| 22:18.15 | AimHere | Presumably, explosions in Boston. Maybe he's naming the Free Software Front as the culprits, and RMS is now holed up in Tora Bora. |
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| 22:21.59 | unkmar | mmnicolas: http://pastebin.com/ReMfW45h |
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| 22:22.29 | unkmar | Please pardon the kk. It's a vim thing. Was trying to move up the file. :) |
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| 22:24.06 | garotosopa | Hi. Any idea why Lightdm looks like this? http://i.imgur.com/oVf9kb8.jpg It works though. |
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| 22:27.12 | unkmar | mmnicolas: yep, upon further inspection, yes, It will work on anything within that list. such as Headset. and it is case sensitive. so it won't match headset with Headset. |
| 22:28.04 | unkmar | the first executable line is what does the matching. |
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| 22:29.05 | unkmar | mmnicolas: if you want the match to be case insensitive then, you can change: grep "$1" to grep -i "$1" |
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| 22:30.31 | harovali | hi, I've just changed my squeeze debian's system timezone by using tzconfig, then I restarted the ntpd, but the system date hasn't changed yet, is there anything else ought to be done ? |
| 22:32.24 | redShadow | ok, this is very strange.. I can connect to a certain kvm server via virt-manager/virsh *only* using its hostname + dns search, but not using FQDN (I'm experiencing this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659956) |
| 22:32.54 | redShadow | of course the resolved IP is the same, etc. |
| 22:33.26 | redShadow | and I have another server with same exact version of libvirt to which I can connect without any problem... |
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| 22:33.40 | redShadow | any clue on what's going on? |
| 22:33.58 | asciiker | hello |
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| 22:34.12 | mtn | harovali: use the date command |
| 22:35.01 | shellox_ | Hi, I installed Debian on a usb flash drive and the installation finished successfull. After the installation I rebooted, initramfs is loaded and then I get an error message 'volume group X not found' |
| 22:35.02 | harovali | mtn: thanks. But, why doesn't the daemon change the system time ? |
| 22:35.17 | mtn | harovali: no idea |
| 22:35.29 | shellox_ | but when I mount the lvm partitions on my workstation, do vgscan then I find the vg nas |
| 22:35.31 | asciiker | I have a broken FS (raid degradation) and it's asking me many times to clear Inodes? I have been pressing "y" for the past 5 minutes. |
| 22:35.31 | asciiker | is it safe to unleash fsck -v -y on it??? |
| 22:35.31 | asciiker | anyone? |
| 22:35.37 | shellox_ | do you have any idea what could cause this? |
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| 22:36.48 | asciiker | anyone?? .. kind of sailing on downtime here...... |
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| 22:38.12 | asciiker | I just did it, hope I don't get data loss |
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| 22:44.56 | jimcooncat | On squeeze xfce: How do I make a .zip file with a password, and add two files to it. Using squeeze (the archive applet) it seems it doesn't support a standard (or passworded) .zip format. |
| 22:45.08 | jimcooncat | ? |
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| 22:46.33 | brian-ie | harovali: apt-get install ntpdate |
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| 23:09.32 | jhutchins_wk | asciiker: So what about your backups? |
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| 23:11.52 | Linuturk | is deja-dup available in debian 6? |
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| 23:14.58 | jparkton | how can I pipe out the output from a pydoc into a txt file? |
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| 23:15.20 | jparkton | pydoc modulename > some.txt? |
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| 23:15.52 | Linuturk | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=deja-dup |
| 23:15.54 | Linuturk | yep |
| 23:16.02 | Linuturk | jparkton: worth a shot |
| 23:16.06 | jparkton | hah that did it |
| 23:16.08 | jparkton | yay me |
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| 23:16.44 | Quest | i have this fresh install. http://pastebin.ca/2360204 where is my bash history? |
| 23:16.53 | Quest | its a vps fresh install |
| 23:17.05 | Linuturk | first login Quest ? |
| 23:17.11 | Quest | ya |
| 23:17.20 | Linuturk | try logging out and logging back in |
| 23:17.35 | Linuturk | it doesn't write to bash_history until you end the session, from what I understand |
| 23:17.46 | somiaj | .bash_history is created/appended to when you log out of the shell, until then it is stored in memory |
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| 23:23.17 | Quest | lindenle, works |
| 23:23.23 | Quest | Linuturk, * |
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| 23:26.30 | Linuturk | sweet, Quest |
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| 23:41.11 | beet0l | Question on debian best practices and java: should classpath jars be set during the application startup script, or via the profile? |
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| 23:41.34 | beet0l | i would imagine the application startup script would be better since it's more targetted |
| 23:41.38 | beet0l | thanks |
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| 23:51.16 | Cuken | I think I screwed something up on my debian machine when I tried to specify an IP address using ifconfig |
| 23:51.27 | jparkton | possibly |
| 23:51.33 | Cuken | I have internet access, and can ping my router, but I'm unable to ping any local machine |
| 23:51.39 | jparkton | what makes you think that though |
| 23:51.45 | jparkton | ahh |
| 23:51.48 | Cuken | the other big thing is in the gui |
| 23:51.55 | Cuken | i show that its not connected via eathernet |
| 23:51.59 | Cuken | but i have a signal . . . |
| 23:52.13 | jparkton | awkward |
| 23:52.19 | jparkton | and ifconifg shows what? |
| 23:52.27 | Cuken | an ip address |
| 23:52.30 | Cuken | that my windows box can hit |
| 23:52.33 | Cuken | lol |
| 23:53.12 | jparkton | so really your just using something like ICS in linux? |
| 23:53.35 | jparkton | share an IP from PC(one) ->Router->Network |
| 23:54.16 | Cuken | i dont think so |
| 23:54.31 | Cuken | is there a way to undo a ifconfig setting |
| 23:54.35 | Cuken | thats at kernal level right? |
| 23:55.00 | jparkton | which setting? |
| 23:55.59 | Cuken | i was following a guide to set a static ip in ifconfig |
| 23:56.38 | jparkton | just reverse the steps |
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