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| 00:25.42 | Elecbullet | Hey Ekowmlb, this is Elecbullet |
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| 00:26.18 | ekowmlb | debian doesnt install |
| 00:26.20 | BAlan | alright... that's taken care of... Did I miss the answer to my connect issue ? |
| 00:26.39 | Elecbullet | Ekowmlb: that's 'bout as generic as it gets |
| 00:26.43 | ekowmlb | black screen |
| 00:27.37 | BAlan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:28.58 | Towzzer | BAlan it might be the power settings? |
| 00:29.14 | Towzzer | I read that once, that the default power settings for the driver are lower than what the network card drivers for windows might use |
| 00:30.33 | ekowmlb | debian is junk (i dont think that debian is junk) on macs. It doesnt install because of the black screen. i use acpi=off = cant move mouse |
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| 00:31.11 | BAlan | Would the Pwr setting be the same for all of my NIC interfaces ? the internal card AND the external USB dongles ? Does Debian set the pwr levels from a config ? |
| 00:31.15 | ekowmlb | my mac is a mid 2011 (MacBook Pro 9,2 i think) |
| 00:31.50 | frognot | BAlan: sometimes newer drivers support the hardware better. |
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| 00:32.53 | Towzzer | I don't know, I read that a while back |
| 00:32.58 | Towzzer | I had trouble with the signals levels on a lapto |
| 00:33.01 | Towzzer | p |
| 00:33.04 | ekowmlb | see, no one resopnds. IRC IS COMPLETE GARBAGE |
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| 00:33.33 | Towzzer | I can say "I don't know" |
| 00:33.37 | Towzzer | but then I would have to say that alot |
| 00:33.43 | Towzzer | can you assume the silence means no one knows? |
| 00:34.02 | frognot | send debian some macs to test on, and I am sure you will see some improvement ekowmlb |
| 00:35.07 | ekowmlb | i only have 1 mac and dont plan on buying a new mac |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | did you try #debianppc on irc.oftc.net? |
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| 00:36.00 | Elecbullet | that one have a webchat? |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | why do you need webchat? |
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| 00:37.32 | wcix | hi |
| 00:40.54 | ekowmlb | isn't wcix now wfor-tv (inMiami / Fort Lauderdale, Florida) and on channel 4.i live in boston but researched all of the tv stations. DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT. why isn't my debian not installing? |
| 00:42.21 | Vicissitude | why isn't it not installing? oh lordy... |
| 00:42.51 | ekowmlb | black screen |
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| 00:43.32 | themill | If you provided more information than "black screen" you just might get an answer |
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| 00:45.47 | ekowmlb | like i slect installing option then on installing screen. Tried non-gui and gui. expert mode i tried too and that didint work. just a black screen, i have to force shutdown |
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| 00:48.10 | wcix | the boston marthon bombing was very sad. Why don't you answer ekowmlb's question about debian not working? |
| 00:49.34 | ekowmlb | hello? |
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| 00:50.42 | firefux | Are there official torrents for wheezyRC1 ? |
| 00:51.54 | ekowmlb | no one cares. What happens if you got a virus on debian i not going to help you. So answer my question,please.. |
| 00:52.56 | LtL | ekowmlb: have you ruled out a corrupted instal media? |
| 00:53.06 | LtL | install* |
| 00:53.29 | ekowmlb | firefux: No |
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| 00:54.25 | zykotick9 | firefux: i don't think so... |
| 00:54.51 | ekowmlb | comcast is the slowest internet ever |
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| 00:55.31 | Vicissitude | ekowmlb, do try dialup some time :) |
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| 00:59.53 | firefux | needs to find a US image for the wheezy .iso then |
| 01:00.06 | firefux | err.. server |
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| 01:01.33 | Devastator | there is no server image, with netinst you can select only what you are going to use |
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| 01:06.06 | firefux | Devastator: I meant a US server from where to download the iso |
| 01:06.27 | firefux | I know this is not #ubuntu ;) |
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| 01:09.21 | themill | firefux: non-release images tend not to be mirrored or torrented for obvious reasons |
| 01:14.18 | supaplex | I have a git log showing which commit causes a kernel to FTBFS for mips octeon. How do I export this patch to try and scrub it out of newer releases? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85069787/octeon-ftbfs.zip |
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| 02:20.38 | somethinginteres | At a loss. Mounted USB to /mnt that had one set of files. I replaced the files on the USB with new ones. Mounted again after restarting PC. same files appear. Despite different files being on the stick. Help? |
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| 02:28.01 | supaplex | somethinginteres: too ambigious. please restate. |
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| 02:30.55 | somethinginteres | supaplex: hmm, how to word it better. USB stick had a debian install on it. After install on my laptop, I mounted the USB to /mnt to browse. I then went to my Desktop machine and wiped the USB, putting new files on there. When I mount with "mount -t auto /dev/sdb /mnt" and do "ls" the old files appear. Not the new ones. My desktop machine shows the new files only. |
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| 02:33.48 | somethinginteres | supaplex: even after I reboot the laptop. Machine does report that the device is busy when I try to "umount" but the commands it suggests to find out why result in "command not found" e.g. "lsof" and "fuser" do not appear to work. This is on a bare bones basic install without internet |
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| 02:36.54 | Nirvash | So I've read man for rsync, but I'm not sure what all I should be backing up. Anyone have any recommendations? |
| 02:37.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Nirvash about things to backup |
| 02:37.51 | Nirvash | Now to figure out how to use the scripting in rsync... |
| 02:37.54 | Nirvash | ty the |
| 02:37.57 | Nirvash | themill* |
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| 02:40.35 | Nirvash | Stupid question, but could I do cp -v '/etc/,/var/' '/backups/'? |
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| 02:41.08 | vrlogrs | hey guys .. |
| 02:41.33 | vrlogrs | trying to install nginx 1.3 (development) on debian 6 (squeeze) .. anyone know how i can go about it? |
| 02:44.07 | somiaj | Nirvash: yes you can just copy the files with cp. Some issues is you may want a cp -a (archive mode so permissions are also copied), and rsync is better for repeated backups because it won't copy everything, but only the changes |
| 02:45.01 | Nirvash | Some_Person: I have rsync installed, but for some reason it's throwing me... I only want to backup 5 dirs |
| 02:45.13 | Nirvash | So many people in here auto-tab is useless lol |
| 02:45.37 | Nirvash | somiaj: Would "rsync -v '/var/,/home/,/root/,/etc/' '/backups/' work? |
| 02:46.39 | somiaj | Nirvash: that is starnge notation, do you mean rsync -av /var /home /root /etc /backups/ |
| 02:46.47 | somiaj | Nirvash: two things, again I like the -a flag so permisions are copied over |
| 02:47.11 | somiaj | Nirvash: and second, rsync behaves differentaly if you have a traling slash, rsync -av /var/ /backup and rsync -av /var /backup are different |
| 02:47.24 | Nirvash | Does it know that /backup/ is the destination? |
| 02:47.45 | somiaj | the last option is always the destination |
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| 02:48.03 | somiaj | and standard unix is to seperate things with spaces (not commas) |
| 02:48.04 | Nirvash | oh okay, so infinite folders |
| 02:48.11 | Nirvash | ;__; o-okay |
| 02:48.13 | somiaj | I am unsure if the comma works |
| 02:48.43 | Nirvash | Is rsync run from current directory? So rsync -av /var /backup/ won't work in /home/user? |
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| 02:49.58 | somiaj | as with any unix command that depends on if you use a relative path or an absolute path |
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| 02:50.13 | somiaj | you have /var so that is an absolute path and can be ran anywhere |
| 02:50.21 | rredd4 | installed latest wheezy with xfce. after login i get the grey screen, what do i do now? |
| 02:50.27 | Nirvash | Alright, I'm fairly new to unix so most basic things are fuzzy |
| 02:51.07 | supaplex | somethinginteres: if fuser, lsof etc are missing, I'd install them. make sure all shells cd / before the umount. maybe $PWD is on the mountpoint. sync should write the remaining data to disk (as umount would too). forcebly removing media has unpredictable results (hence the old files). |
| 02:51.21 | Nirvash | So /dir copies that directory, but /dir/ copies only the contents of that dir |
| 02:52.06 | somiaj | Nirvash: correct, which means do you want to copy things to /backups/dir/contents or /backups/contest |
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| 02:52.17 | somiaj | Nirvash: you most likely want the first, so don't use trailing slashes. |
| 02:52.39 | Nirvash | Right, okay. So using -v once it returns me to a prompt, it's 100% done righ? |
| 02:52.41 | Nirvash | right* |
| 02:52.50 | somiaj | you don't even have to use -v for that |
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| 02:53.12 | somiaj | the -v means it tells you what it is copying, again I would suggest an -a so you copy permisions (that might be useful when recovering things) |
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| 02:54.38 | Nirvash | somiaj: I'm using -av, I just want to make sure it's done before I delete this test directory |
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| 02:57.54 | Nirvash | Well, unless I had a lapse of judgement, I am currently backing up 7 directories with rsync. ^_^ Thanks guys! |
| 02:57.59 | Nirvash | guys == somiaj lol |
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| 03:11.12 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I have a MyBookLive that runs Debian squeeze and I am using SSH to update packages on it but its throwing this error "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:......". Is there a wiki page somewhere about fixing this when updating package lists? |
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| 03:12.03 | _jacks | LinuxGuy2020: try installing the package debian-archive-keyring |
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| 03:12.37 | LinuxGuy2020 | _jacks: ok |
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| 03:15.36 | LinuxGuy2020 | _jacks: Still gives the same error. |
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| 03:18.00 | LinuxGuy2020 | _jacks: apt-get -f install (Had problem I didnt see) |
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| 03:19.09 | _jacks | LinuxGuy2020: you will need to install the key from the keyserver using gpg |
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| 03:20.24 | LinuxGuy2020 | _jacks: Is there a wiki or do you know what I need to copy and paste on the terminal to do that? |
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| 03:20.46 | Umi_Kawa_Tsuki | dick |
| 03:20.49 | Umi_Kawa_Tsuki | oh, hey, this works |
| 03:20.56 | Umi_Kawa_Tsuki | I'm trying to get some help here |
| 03:21.02 | Umi_Kawa_Tsuki | what's going on is that my Debian VM is now out of memory |
| 03:21.23 | Umi_Kawa_Tsuki | or at least the behavior i'm getting is that i can log onto my user account |
| 03:21.29 | _jacks | LinuxGuy2020: the error should give you the keyID just pass these to gpg |
| 03:21.30 | Umi_Kawa_Tsuki | root is disabled and can only be accessed via sudo bash |
| 03:21.46 | _jacks | LinuxGuy2020: gpg --keyserver subkeys.gpg.net --recv KEYID | sudo apt-key add - |
| 03:22.03 | _jacks | er pgp.net rather |
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| 03:25.52 | LinuxGuy2020 | _jacks:Copy and paste that exactly or is that just the syntax or format of what I need? |
| 03:27.04 | rredd4 | how do i set nomodeset with live cd? |
| 03:27.13 | Nirvash | Any reason why using sftp to move a dir would result in invalid permissions as root? |
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| 04:09.59 | Blue1 | having trouble getting this wifi card to work: 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 0032 (rev 01) -- modprobe shows the driver loaded kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath.ko but I still don't see it doing an ifconfig - |
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| 04:11.41 | Rusty1 | Blue1: does iwconfig, as root , see it? |
| 04:12.01 | Jagst3r15 | how would I verify that a file exists then copy it to my backup directory |
| 04:12.21 | Jagst3r15 | I am new to this so dont kill me |
| 04:14.14 | Rusty1 | Blue1: is there a wlan0 or ath0 ? |
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| 04:15.15 | Blue1 | Rusty1: no |
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| 04:15.35 | Blue1 | Rusty1: there is no wlan0 or ath0 |
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| 04:16.01 | Rusty1 | Blue1: uname -r , what kernal? |
| 04:16.23 | Blue1 | Rusty1: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 04:16.49 | Blue1 | debian squeeze -- I did a fresh install on an hp pavillion g6 I got for my mom |
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| 04:17.51 | mother__ | i need a website that shows how to install non-free restricted packages? |
| 04:18.15 | mother__ | or were to add it? cant remember the file name |
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| 04:18.40 | mother__ | i am using google but can't find a good tutorial |
| 04:18.47 | Blue1 | mother__: what are you trying to install? |
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| 04:19.15 | mother__ | Blue1 libmotif or libmotif3 or libmotif4 (Openmotif, in non-free or restricted) |
| 04:19.30 | mother__ | need libmotif4 |
| 04:19.32 | larzix | i need to install display driver , i switched to console with CTRL+ALT+F1 but i still need to stop X, how can i do that ? |
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| 04:19.43 | Blue1 | mother__: do you have the right repo installed? |
| 04:19.59 | Rusty1 | Blue1: modprobe ath9k |
| 04:20.07 | mother__ | i believe so |
| 04:21.01 | Blue1 | Rusty1: -bash: modprobe: command not found (that makes no sense at all - why can't it find modprobe) -- let me try an lsmod |
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| 04:21.29 | mother__ | where is source.list file |
| 04:21.38 | Blue1 | Rusty1: my bad -- I need sudo -- it returned nothing - so it's not installed |
| 04:21.52 | mother__ | "nonfree contrib" |
| 04:21.55 | themill | dpkg: tell mother__ about non-free sources |
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| 04:22.15 | Rusty1 | type: lsmod| grep ath9k |
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| 04:22.50 | Blue1 | Rusty1: ath9k 250056 0 |
| 04:22.50 | Blue1 | mac80211 137532 1 ath9k |
| 04:22.50 | Blue1 | ath 8022 1 ath9k |
| 04:22.50 | Blue1 | cfg80211 101656 3 ath9k,mac80211,ath |
| 04:22.50 | Blue1 | led_class 2433 2 ath9k,hp_accel |
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| 04:23.35 | Rusty1 | Blue1: try sudo iwconfig |
| 04:23.49 | Blue1 | Rusty1: I have tried that nothing to configure |
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| 04:23.58 | Blue1 | I will paste the output |
| 04:24.05 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 04:24.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:24.16 | mother__ | themill ty |
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| 04:24.38 | Rusty1 | Blue1: tried it after modprobe ath9k ? |
| 04:24.49 | Blue1 | Rusty1: l0, etho, pan0 no wireless extensions |
| 04:24.52 | Blue1 | yes |
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| 04:25.15 | Blue1 | Rusty1: nope -- let me try that |
| 04:25.16 | Rusty1 | try : sudo rfkill list wifi |
| 04:25.37 | Blue1 | Rusty1: FATAL: Module atk9k not found. |
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| 04:26.50 | Blue1 | Rusty1: one moment have to install rfkill |
| 04:27.09 | Blue1 | Rusty1: just returns a prompt |
| 04:27.09 | larzix | how to stop x server ? i use xfce4 |
| 04:27.13 | Rusty1 | Blue1: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k, AFAIKT that chipset should be supported in that kernel and just work |
| 04:27.26 | Blue1 | Rusty1: agree but it does not |
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| 04:27.45 | Blue1 | Rusty1: why couldn't modprobe find it? |
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| 04:28.13 | Blue1 | Rusty1: yup I have been to that page before |
| 04:28.59 | Rusty1 | see if : sudo rfkill list wifi , reports any blockages , if so try sudo rfkill unblock all |
| 04:29.42 | Blue1 | Rusty1: just returns a prompt -- rfkill list wifi |
| 04:29.51 | Rusty1 | presumes lspci does list the card |
| 04:29.58 | Blue1 | Rusty1: correct |
| 04:30.30 | Blue1 | Rusty1: lspci | grep Network ----- 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 0032 (rev 01) |
| 04:31.08 | ksuhku | larzix, if you use gdm stop it |
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| 04:33.11 | larzix | ksuhku: no i dont have gdm, its wheezy basic install + xfce4 |
| 04:33.29 | Rusty1 | Blue1: the output of lsmod says the module is loaded , any other wifi devices, usb etc ? |
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| 04:33.58 | Rusty1 | installed |
| 04:34.27 | Blue1 | Rusty1: no |
| 04:34.56 | Blue1 | Rusty1: there is bluetooth -- pan0 -- |
| 04:35.11 | Rusty1 | Blue1: rfkill list all |
| 04:35.29 | Blue1 | Rusty1: just a prompt |
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| 04:37.20 | Rusty1 | Blue1: gtg, only other suggestion would be to upgrade to 3.0 or higher kernel, otherwise out of ideas |
| 04:37.41 | Blue1 | Rusty1: would that be wheezy then? |
| 04:37.51 | Rusty1 | i believe so |
| 04:38.19 | Blue1 | Rusty1: well this is for my mom -- let me see what kernel xubuntu 12.04 has brb |
| 04:39.19 | Blue1 | 3.2-040 |
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| 04:46.26 | acu_ | I wonder if btrfs is stable on wheezy ? |
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| 04:47.12 | acu_ | I used so far xfs and ext4 - they are both good - but I heard btrfs is the future |
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| 04:47.17 | Blue1 | acu_: its stable in ubuntu -- but that does != wheezy |
| 04:47.52 | acu_ | Blue1 I got it, what kernel is in wheezy you tried ? how long did you run btrfs ? |
| 04:48.06 | acu_ | sorry ubuntu you tried |
| 04:48.08 | themill | If you have to ask if a filesystem is stable, I don't think you want to use it |
| 04:48.26 | acu_ | themill why not, it makes perfect sense to ask |
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| 04:48.46 | themill | if you feel the need to ask, then answer is probably "no". |
| 04:48.57 | Blue1 | acu_: I am not runny wheezy here. |
| 04:49.21 | acu_ | Blue1, I got it, what kernel your ubuntu is running on ? |
| 04:49.33 | acu_ | uname -r |
| 04:49.42 | Blue1 | acu_: 3.02-040 |
| 04:49.58 | acu_ | how long did you use btrfs since ? |
| 04:50.53 | adh0c | Anyone here familiar with vpopmail? |
| 04:51.03 | Blue1 | acu_: first time - but I have a friend that has used it for about 18 months with no issues -- I ran reiserfs for a long time |
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| 04:53.08 | adh0c | I need a list of users for a virtual domain and neither vpopbull not vuserinfo are any help. |
| 04:53.14 | acu_ | Blue1 thanks, I know other fs are "tried and proven" and btrfs is still " in develpment" - I know RHEL and Oracle, if I remember right offered btrfs support since 2012, but per my reading they are saying that later kernels are better, and I know the wheezy kernel is "customized" and few features of newer kernels are added into debian's wheey |
| 04:53.51 | acu_ | !btrfs |
| 04:53.51 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. See also <btrfs gotchas>. |
| 04:54.09 | Blue1 | acu_: I am faced with the dilemma of going to wheezy or xubuntu for my mom's computer... |
| 04:54.28 | acu_ | Blue1" it is easy - Debian Wheezy |
| 04:54.58 | Blue1 | acu_: I don't know how stable wheezy is - that's the issue - afaik it is still in alpha isn't it? |
| 04:55.29 | acu_ | I am running workstations and servers with no issues - I just want to use CEPH and OpenStack (and Ceph looks at btrfs as the best file system of the future, while xfs is good meanwhile) |
| 04:56.05 | Blue1 | acu_: how long have you been runnin wheezy? |
| 04:56.22 | acu_ | Blue1: no wheezy is going to be released in max few months, there are less than 40 bugs left (and remember there are for 9 different CPU architectures) |
| 04:56.46 | acu_ | Blue: since 2 years |
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| 04:57.01 | Blue1 | acu_: stable then let me see what processor this thing has |
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| 04:57.16 | acu_ | almost immediately once squeeze was out - I also run wheezy in workstations - since last summer 2012 I install it in servers |
| 04:57.58 | acu_ | Blue1: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:58.10 | Blue1 | acu_: this is what is in the machine: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A8-4500M-Notebook-Processor.74884.0.html |
| 04:58.13 | acu_ | if it is 64 bit CPU (amd or intel) |
| 04:58.22 | Blue1 | acu_: amd 64 |
| 04:58.26 | acu_ | yes is amd64 |
| 04:58.35 | acu_ | you can go with netinstall one |
| 04:59.05 | Blue1 | acu_: thank you -- I have been apprehensive about wheezy - but I will d/l and try it - I think that will solve my wireless lan issue |
| 04:59.39 | acu_ | download burn it on a cd and install away (of course you could also cat whatever.iso > /dev/sdb (or whatever the stick is) forgot exactly the command but that will erase your stick and have it bootable with debian |
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| 05:00.11 | Blue1 | acu_: I will install it over what I have now -- fresh install let me see if I can find the d/l page for wheezy |
| 05:00.31 | acu_ | Blue1: I run it in laptops with wireless, so far no issues - you may want/need to enable contrib non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:01.24 | acu_ | also you may need to install linux-nonfree-firmware (something like this) that will search and install what is needed - but most probably you would not need anything not non-free no other |
| 05:02.11 | acu_ | Blue1: you could dual boot too - I usually completely erase windows - I do not need it ever :) |
| 05:02.23 | Blue1 | acu_: this the right place? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:02.35 | Blue1 | acu_: the first thing I did was nuke win 8 |
| 05:03.02 | acu_ | Blue1: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:03.42 | Blue1 | okiay that is the netinstall one -- |
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| 05:04.13 | acu_ | this is the netinstall - for / during installation I would have the ethernet card/cable connected - once you install it the wifi comes automatically in gnome (I think kde too) |
| 05:04.38 | Blue1 | acu_: I will give it a try - it's got to be better then the stand still I am at now |
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| 05:06.48 | Blue1 | acu_: many thanks |
| 05:07.29 | acu_ | Blue1, welcome :) |
| 05:07.32 | acu_ | Good Luck |
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| 05:07.48 | acu_ | And welcome to Debian Wheezy, you will see it is awesome |
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| 05:21.01 | cirrus] | hello. I was trying to install Debian (Wheezy) with netinstall CD, but I couldn't. During the installation it asked for drivers for my network card, and when I downloaded them, it was constantly asking for data for wireless network connection. |
| 05:21.24 | cirrus] | the problem is that my connection is wired, and I don't have any wireless network |
| 05:21.49 | cirrus] | (wired connection can be automatically established by DHCP_ |
| 05:22.24 | cirrus] | could you tell me how to solve this problem and tell Debian that I'm using wired connection? |
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| 05:31.39 | Ghormoon | Hi, I'm considering a VPS with Debian (wheezy), do you think 1GB RAM will be enough for "hosting" (apache - php, python, perl + mysql) + VPN gateway (I can utilize the 100MBit interface form my college room :)) + mail for two domains + some other apps for testing, which usually don't take up much ... + maybe a teamspeak server? :) |
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| 05:34.38 | Ghormoon | and also I gforgot DNS for those domains ... and amybe some other things around :) (and havimg some better terminal like terminator through SSH X) |
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| 05:37.29 | cirrus] | Ghormoon, I have no expeirence, but I think that for web server + mail server + especially TeamSpeak can hardly work on 1 GB. especially TeamSpeak, I think |
| 05:37.49 | Ghormoon | teamspeak is nice to have, last in list :) |
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| 05:39.40 | Ghormoon | and the web server will be just for personal things and some testing, not really much traffic, on the hosting iI have now record was 43k hits in month, usually about 20k, most of that on old phpbb forum (only bots, noone uses it, so if I change IP and domain, I should be ok :D) |
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| 05:41.15 | cirrus] | someone have had the same problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699129 |
| 05:41.39 | cirrus] | (as me), but he wasn't doing netinstall |
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| 05:48.33 | rwp | Ghormoon, 1G should be plenty for your VPS. You could use 512M if you were not using MySQL. Its a pig. |
| 05:49.25 | Ghormoon | yeah, but developing simple CMS and simmilar web apps without database may be a bit tricky :D |
| 05:49.36 | mother__ | is it possible to have debian log in at start up into GUI on its own |
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| 05:49.59 | Ghormoon | I only fear of the VPN, I plan on using it to have public IP and on college I'm on 1GBit, so I'll really push those 100MBit to limit |
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| 05:52.46 | Blue1 | i am getting a message trying to install wheezy missing firmware files: rtl_nic/rt18105e-1.fw where would I find that? |
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| 06:00.02 | ksuhku | mother__, yes it is |
| 06:01.05 | mother__ | ksuhku point me in the right driction |
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| 06:02.19 | ksuhku | mother__, do you use gnome? |
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| 06:02.39 | mother__ | i will be using open box - need a very light login man and WM |
| 06:02.47 | mother__ | i pick openbox as the WM |
| 06:03.06 | mother__ | but i need a light login man that will login auto |
| 06:03.22 | mother__ | or if possible dont use one |
| 06:04.24 | ksuhku | mother__, I don't think you need one, just startx |
| 06:05.08 | ksuhku | that's in the xinit package |
| 06:05.34 | mother__ | is it opssible to log into a account on start up and have a .exec openbox-session |
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| 06:06.17 | mother__ | or startx |
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| 06:06.52 | mother__ | i have to install xorg before i install openbox right? |
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| 06:07.16 | mother__ | ksuhku thx for all your help |
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| 06:09.26 | mother__ | 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f YOUR_USER_NAME tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 06:10.34 | mother__ | rungetty |
| 06:10.36 | mother__ | got it |
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| 06:10.38 | mother__ | :) |
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| 06:11.12 | mother__ | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/rungetty tty1 --autologin YOUR_USER_NAME |
| 06:11.27 | mother__ | what about password? |
| 06:11.44 | ksuhku | don't need it, it's working as root |
| 06:12.26 | mother__ | oh ok |
| 06:12.40 | mother__ | ksuhku ty |
| 06:12.57 | ksuhku | mother__, glad to be of use |
| 06:13.03 | mother__ | ksuhku i need to install xorg before openbox |
| 06:13.40 | ksuhku | order doesn't matter, ob might pull it in for you |
| 06:14.04 | mother__ | ok - i know some light WM don't do it |
| 06:14.11 | sutroix | is debgen.simplylinux.ch a useful tool or should it be avoided? |
| 06:15.20 | mother__ | anything .ch should be avoided ;) |
| 06:15.30 | themill | sutroix: best avoided |
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| 06:15.54 | sutroix | What should I do if I want to convert sources.list from wheezy to sid? |
| 06:16.01 | sutroix | what documentation should I refer to? |
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| 06:17.17 | Tulipcoin | Can I donate to the Debian project in bitcoins? |
| 06:17.37 | themill | sutroix: I would recommend against running sid until a few months/year after the wheezy release is made. All manner of brokenness tends to hit sid (and the new testing) immediately after release. |
| 06:18.39 | sutroix | how bad will it be, honestly? |
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| 06:18.50 | sutroix | I kind of still want to upgrade. I run Gentoo on my main machine, I'm not that concerned |
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| 06:19.31 | themill | sutroix: it can be a large amount of work to dig yourself out of a hole and you need to know a reasonable amount about debian package management -- that you are asking this question tells me the latter is not true. |
| 06:19.45 | ksuhku | !wheezy->sid |
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| 06:20.04 | ksuhku | !tell sutroix wheezy->sid |
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| 06:20.23 | ksuhku | !tell sutroix about wheezy->sid |
| 06:20.27 | sutroix | fair enough |
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| 06:28.13 | truexfan81 | got me curious |
| 06:28.22 | truexfan81 | !tell truexfan81 wheezy->sid |
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| 06:28.48 | truexfan81 | [01:28:27] <dpkg> No, truexfan81, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 06:28.51 | truexfan81 | what? |
| 06:29.08 | truexfan81 | oh |
| 06:29.10 | themill | truexfan81: «tell $who about $what» -- there was no "about" |
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| 06:29.24 | truexfan81 | !tell truexfan81 about wheezy->sid |
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| 06:29.54 | Tulipmillionaire | !tell truexfan81 about wheezy->sid |
| 06:30.04 | truexfan81 | "Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE!" heh ok |
| 06:30.15 | themill | (feel free to chat to dpkg in a query) |
| 06:30.29 | Tulipmillionaire | oh sorry didn't realize dpkg already told you!!! laaag |
| 06:31.35 | truexfan81 | lol i like the response it gives when you tell it sid upgrade test |
| 06:32.16 | truexfan81 | how often do packages break on sid? just curious |
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| 06:36.09 | truexfan81 | i use a seperate home partition, so if it breaks i can always revert it back to wheezy, i'm gonna try it just for kicks |
| 06:37.38 | peterrooney | truexfan81: i recommend a separate, second drive. |
| 06:37.55 | truexfan81 | acer netbook, not possible |
| 06:38.30 | peterrooney | truexfan81: such a shame. |
| 06:38.31 | themill | a separate /home doesn't save you from all your user's config files being changed by newer versions of packages migrating them for you |
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| 06:42.19 | truexfan81 | themill: i have also already backed up my configs, only thing i would have to redo is my flashplayer stuff which is easy |
| 06:43.02 | truexfan81 | packages downloading |
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| 06:43.40 | themill | (there's not much divergence between wheezy and sid yet, of course -- that will come...) |
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| 06:45.19 | truexfan81 | yeah i see its mostly stuff like libreoffice updates, etc |
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| 06:45.52 | truexfan81 | of course i'm still pretty much on a minimal netinstall so there is not much for it to update |
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| 06:51.21 | truexfan81 | themill: the only thing i found weird was none of them was a kernel, so sid is still using 3.2.*? |
| 06:52.57 | musca | ,kernel |
| 06:52.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 06:53.05 | themill | truexfan81: sure -- sid exists only to help make the testing release which is the staging ground for the next release. |
| 06:53.19 | truexfan81 | ah ok |
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| 06:58.57 | Guest97352 | anyone here know where i might ask about tpm specific bootloader questions |
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| 07:01.52 | truexfan81 | updates installed, netbook rebooting |
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| 07:27.17 | truexfan81 | well that was a successful update, so i decided to consider myself lucky and changed the sources back to wheezy lol |
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| 07:50.30 | truexfan81 | System: Host: netbook Kernel: 3.8-trunk-686-pae i686 (32 bit) Console: tty 0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 |
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| 08:26.32 | EasyAsPie | hi omid8bimo |
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| 08:33.04 | debianN00b | I need some help to install kate editor from experimental ... I tried "aptitude install -t experimental kate" but it asks lots of package to be removed ... confused! |
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| 08:34.15 | babilen | debianN00b: May we see the output along with that of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy kate" and "apt-get -s autoremove" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 08:34.57 | babilen | debianN00b: I also wouldn't necessarily recommend to pull in packages from experimental. This will, in particular if you are using wheezy (not testing), become a headache soon. |
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| 08:37.35 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there an easy way to enable mp3 encoding in debian6? |
| 08:37.43 | no_gravity | looks like libmp3lame is not available |
| 08:37.48 | debianN00b | babilen, thanks, If it is not safe then i won't install from experimental ... Which version i should wait for actually which will be fairly safe? |
| 08:38.05 | jpw | no_gravity: libmp3lame0 |
| 08:38.38 | no_gravity | jpw: E: Package 'libmp3lame0' has no installation candidate |
| 08:39.01 | jpw | no_gravity: really? what version of debian are you on? |
| 08:39.16 | no_gravity | jpw: 6 |
| 08:39.18 | jelly | ,v libmp3lame0 |
| 08:39.24 | judd | Package: libmp3lame0 on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2 |
| 08:39.40 | babilen | debianN00b: You should be able to install kate from whatever Debian version you use by running "apt-get install kate" |
| 08:39.50 | jpw | aha ist being picled up from backports. |
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| 08:41.21 | debianN00b | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/250047/ |
| 08:41.56 | no_gravity | jpw: whatever that means |
| 08:42.24 | jpw | no_gravity: go to http://backports.debian.net for instructions on how to activate it. |
| 08:42.53 | jpw | no_gravity: go to http://backports.debian.org i mean |
| 08:43.13 | no_gravity | jpw: oh no. before i go down that route, i just do it on my mint machine. |
| 08:43.38 | jpw | no_gravity: suit yerself ;) |
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| 08:44.37 | babilen | debianN00b: That looks fine, but given that your nickname is "debianN00b" I will elaborate a bit more. Do you /really/ want to use "testing" in your sources.list? The implications of this are that you will run jessie (the next testing) directly after the release of wheezy. The time after a release is typically quite turbulent and you should be aware of this. |
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| 08:46.22 | babilen | debianN00b: I would therefore recommend to use "wheezy" in lieu of "testing" in your sources.list and I also would't necessarily recommend to pull in packages from experimental directly in this setup. This is all "fine" for now because we have been in freeze for quite a while now and are close to the release, but this will change after the release. |
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| 08:46.50 | debianN00b | ah okay |
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| 08:47.46 | babilen | debianN00b: I am quite scared (and foresee a /lot/ of work for us here in #debian and #debian-next) of all the users who run these kind of setups and who expect testing to be stable (in both the Debian sense and in the sense of "reliable") and low-maintenance :) |
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| 08:50.08 | debianN00b | i just want few package to upgrade and mostly interest in Kate for now... Because wheezy is enough stable and don't want to break it without installing next version debian |
| 08:50.29 | babilen | debianN00b: So, as a recommendation for now: Use a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/250049/ -- That will allow you to use wheezy for as long as you want. If you really want to switch over to jessie you can do that at any time. If you are actually planning to continue tracking testing that is fine by me, but you should be aware of the difference between "testing" and "wheezy". |
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| 08:52.34 | babilen | debianN00b: You cannot use kate 4.10 that easily as it depends on quite a number of KDE 4.10 specific libraries. If you want to use that you would, essentially, have to upgrade KDE to 4.10 completely. That might be possible (I have no idea as I never cared about KDE), but installing kate 4.10 is definitely the wrong approach here. |
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| 08:54.02 | babilen | debianN00b: I would recommend to use KDE 4.8 (and hence kate 4.8) for now and consider alternatives after the release. If you /really/ cannot live another day without KDE 4.10 I would recommend to run testing (with all the implications above) in a testing/unstable mix (you set "testing" as default release and also add unstable to your sources.list) and then pull in the entire KDE suite from experimental. |
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| 08:55.02 | babilen | debianN00b: That is almost certainly some work and I am not sure if the all KDE packages are already available in 4.10 in experimental. In short: I wouldn't recommend this. |
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| 08:55.48 | debianN00b | Not going to install then , I am still okay without kde 4.10 |
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| 08:56.10 | babilen | debianN00b: wise choice -- just wanted to elaborate. |
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| 09:01.35 | azizLIGHTS | what encryption type does debian recommend for gpg key |
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| 09:03.29 | babilen | azizLIGHTS: http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html |
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| 09:04.43 | azizLIGHTS | answer in the link seems to be rsa 4096 |
| 09:05.19 | babilen | indeed |
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| 09:31.46 | azizLIGHTS | where do i find my public key, to share with everyone? im on tails 1.7.2 on debian 6.0.7 on gnome 2.30.2 |
| 09:32.15 | azizLIGHTS | if i click export, i think that has my private key included |
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| 09:32.39 | jpw | azizLIGHTS: gpg --export-key -a <email_address> > file.gpg |
| 09:32.50 | jpw | to export the secret key is: |
| 09:33.03 | jpw | azizLIGHTS: gpg --export-secret-key -a <email_address> > file.gpg |
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| 09:34.48 | azizLIGHTS | i see, thanks |
| 09:36.01 | azizLIGHTS | is anyone willing to send me a message? http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7A1D58413B2634BB |
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| 09:36.14 | azizLIGHTS | i want to see how it works |
| 09:36.43 | azizLIGHTS | link to pastebin would work i think |
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| 09:37.52 | jpw | i've not got gpg properly set up here. |
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| 09:38.46 | osfd | Hi there, what does ESR means when it comes to mozilla debain repos ? |
| 09:38.46 | azizLIGHTS | oh ok, no problem then |
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| 09:42.53 | mrtnt | Any ideas why "ss -lu" does not display listening UDP port for TFTP server while lsof does: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p41925 ? |
| 09:43.24 | jelly | osfd: Mozilla's ESR releases, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 09:43.57 | osfd | jelly: thank you |
| 09:44.23 | jelly | osfd: basically, 1-year worth of a relatively stable browser version, with just the security fixes applied |
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| 09:53.57 | hellyeah | debian didnt see my 3g wireless modem |
| 09:54.12 | ksk | !tell hellyeah about wireless |
| 09:54.37 | jpw | hellyeah: can you provide the output of `dmesg` please |
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| 09:55.36 | Fhl | Hi, whats the best way to change the gain (dbFS) of a wav file in debian? Easy tool like setgain -10 file.wav ? |
| 09:56.52 | hellyeah | just a moment |
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| 10:00.16 | hellyeah | ipw http://dpaste.com/1061679/ |
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| 10:01.09 | hellyeah | ksk: http://dpaste.com/1061680/ |
| 10:01.33 | ksk | i dont really know anything about wireless on linux |
| 10:01.45 | ksk | but the bot should have told you something useful. |
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| 10:09.58 | ChrisH | hellyeah define "debian didnt see my 3g.." Do lspci, lsusb, lshw -short show the modem? What does rfkill list show? |
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| 10:10.53 | hellyeah | i purchased 3g wireless modem from vodofone. |
| 10:11.07 | hellyeah | do you know 3g wireless modem it is not like usb 3g |
| 10:11.57 | hellyeah | actually problem is |
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| 10:34.30 | dean[h] | Morning. I'm trying to install the fi_FI locale. locale -a shows it isn't there. When i run sudo locale-gen fi_FI.UTF-8 it just generates en_*. I also can't install the language-pack-fi package as it can't be found |
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| 10:37.51 | ChrisH | dean[h]: dpkg-reconfigure locale ? |
| 10:38.00 | dean[h] | do i have to run that as sudo? |
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| 10:38.19 | dean[h] | My user can't find the command it seems |
| 10:38.26 | ChrisH | dpkg dean[h] about locales |
| 10:38.26 | dpkg | ChrisH: wish i knew |
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| 10:38.34 | ChrisH | dpkg tell dean[h] about locales |
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| 10:44.50 | ChrisH | dean[h]: you need to do that as root |
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| 10:45.29 | dean[h] | thanks ChrisH, locale is now installed |
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| 11:01.35 | Devastator | what are my options for a lightweight Window Manager? I really don't want Gnome nor KDE, lxde?! I used to use fluxbox.. but I guess this is too lightweight for the computer I have now: i3 3220, 4GB of RAM |
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| 11:02.41 | Devastator | ,pciid 1969:1083 |
| 11:02.42 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
| 11:02.51 | nkuttler | that eerie moment when you realize / switched to being mounted ro... |
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| 11:03.22 | BenNZ | Devastator: xfce ? |
| 11:03.29 | kaste | nkuttler: never run a system that works that way by default, huh? |
| 11:03.31 | Devastator | hum... I guess I will have problems with ethernet :P |
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| 11:04.00 | nkuttler | kaste: no, but rw status certainly shouldn't switch randomly |
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| 11:04.20 | nkuttler | yay mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sdc1 read-write, is write-protected |
| 11:04.21 | kaste | for sure |
| 11:04.27 | kaste | any logs? |
| 11:04.57 | nkuttler | meh.. io errors. bye bye hd |
| 11:05.08 | nkuttler | dmesg just flooded |
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| 11:06.35 | nkuttler | sigh bash: /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error |
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| 11:08.02 | Devastator | should I try debian live before installing due to possible lack of ethernet driver in squeeze? |
| 11:08.03 | nkuttler | time to find a keyboard with a sysrq key.. |
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| 11:11.17 | oc | Hmm, how to debug / failsearch for kernel crashes? Happens both with squeeze and testing. Initial error is "general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP" later it taints a number of seemingly random kernel modules, and processes are warn logged with i.e. "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for NNs" |
| 11:11.37 | oc | s/testing/wheezy/ |
| 11:12.14 | oc | my gut says it's got something to do with bios settings, but is there a general good guide to debugging this? |
| 11:12.25 | oc | (or even hw failure) |
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| 11:13.44 | Devastator | oc is your bios uefi by any chance? |
| 11:14.23 | oc | will check |
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| 11:17.00 | oc | how can i verify that? 'Vendor: Award Software International, Inc.', 'Version: FF', 'Release Date: 11/24/2010', .. |
| 11:17.28 | Devastator | maybe checking motherboard specs.. |
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| 11:19.00 | ChrisH | My Debian server looses network connection to one of the WLAN/LAN clients from time to time. Anyone aware of a debian package to ping the client once per second and log all status changes? |
| 11:19.29 | oc | the manual states Hybrid EFI technology |
| 11:19.38 | oc | no idea if that is UEFI? |
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| 11:20.11 | Devastator | oc me neither, it is just a hunt anyway.. |
| 11:20.33 | amgarching | Hi! After two upgrades Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy, how do I find out what packages are not native? sources.list contains only the Wheezy repo. |
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| 11:25.35 | jelly | amgarching: do you mean, which packages are installed, but not available from Debian (any more) |
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| 11:26.10 | jelly | amgarching: if you do, /msg dpkg obsolete |
| 11:26.11 | amgarching | yes, that would be a usefull info, jelly |
| 11:27.07 | Devastator | should I try debian live before installing due to possible lack of ethernet driver in squeeze? judd at least, says the driver for my nic is only available in sid :( |
| 11:28.01 | amgarching | aptitude search "~o" | wc report 29 pkgs. I assume they can be removed? |
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| 11:28.38 | jelly | well... do you use any of them? |
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| 11:29.23 | jelly | Devastator: huh, which pciid does that card have |
| 11:29.34 | amgarching | None of those was consiousely installed by me. Does isc-dhcp-client replace dhcp3-client ? The latter is one of the obscolete ones. |
| 11:29.37 | Devastator | pciid 1969:1083 |
| 11:29.53 | jelly | amgarching: it does |
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| 11:30.03 | amgarching | dhcp3-client is also reported by dpkg --audit as missing a checksum |
| 11:30.29 | jelly | Devastator: so you'll need a newer kernel |
| 11:30.59 | jelly | Devastator: /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
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| 11:31.57 | Devastator | jelly maybe netinst with bdo kernel and firmware-linux? kmuto? |
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| 11:33.10 | jelly | Devastator: kmuto uses a similar kernel version, but not the exact same one. Install bdo kernel afterwards. |
| 11:33.36 | jelly | or go with wheezy if you dare |
| 11:33.54 | amgarching | Here are some answers to "why": "python2.5-minimal Recommends python2.5", "python2.5 Depends python2.5-minimal (= 2.5.5-11)" |
| 11:34.02 | jelly | I'm already installing wheezy on servers with low exposure profile |
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| 11:34.38 | meteo_j | hi there, guys |
| 11:34.40 | sKeiths | how do you find full package description. 'apt-cache search ddrescue' shows quick one liner, how do i show full description. |
| 11:34.42 | amgarching | looks circular. Do you know any reason why one would need Python 2.5 in wheezy? |
| 11:34.43 | jelly | amgarching: that sounds cyclic! |
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| 11:35.02 | jelly | amgarching: none of the Debian components should need it |
| 11:35.09 | meteo_j | please, how can I know what version of XFS filesystem has Debian squeeze? |
| 11:35.14 | histo | sKeiths: apt-cache showpkg ddrescue |
| 11:35.24 | shicy | is there any information about releasing Wheezy? |
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| 11:35.39 | sKeiths | oddly, that does't work histo |
| 11:35.41 | jelly | amgarching: well, if it's a workstation, you can always remove all of the obsolete stuff, then see if anything breaks |
| 11:35.45 | Devastator | jelly this will be my work desktop with dual boot, as long as it doesn't screw with grub, I go with wheezy :) |
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| 11:36.12 | jelly | Devastator: that's probably the easiest solution |
| 11:36.33 | shicy | when it will be released? i will organize Wheezy Release Party in my city |
| 11:36.37 | jelly | !RSN |
| 11:36.38 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (see <wir> and <siyh>), or Robust Security Network: the Wi-Fi Alliance's full 802.11i implementation (aka WPA2, see <wpa>). |
| 11:36.50 | shicy | but i'd like to know when it will be released :D |
| 11:36.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:36.58 | Devastator | yep, instead of downloading debs manually on another machine and installing them |
| 11:36.58 | jelly | shicy: no date reserved. |
| 11:37.00 | abrotman | shicy: no one knows for sure |
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| 11:37.17 | shicy | thanks... |
| 11:37.22 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 11:37.23 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 11:37.33 | abrotman | shicy: probably in a month or two |
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| 11:37.50 | jelly | hopefully on May 7th! |
| 11:37.51 | Diegonat | hi guys... Ive got this error when I use cyrus + sasl + kerberos. "reason=saslauthd internal error" . Kerberos works fine because I can actually authenticate against it. Any idea? Please Im lost |
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| 11:38.03 | abrotman | yeah1 Ay 7th!!1! |
| 11:38.04 | histo | sKeiths: aptitude show ddrescue |
| 11:38.07 | abrotman | may :( |
| 11:38.13 | jelly | aye |
| 11:38.23 | meteo_j | please, how can I know what version of XFS filesystem has Debian squeeze? |
| 11:38.24 | Devastator | so.. debian-installer rc1 is the recommended?! |
| 11:38.27 | sKeiths | histo: thanks!! |
| 11:38.51 | Nothing4You | does anyone know where i can find the config file for phpmyadmin when installed from repo? |
| 11:38.58 | Nothing4You | i'm using wheezy btw |
| 11:39.05 | shicy | we (udruga SOK from Split) are waiting :) |
| 11:39.09 | jelly | ,v gddrescue |
| 11:39.10 | judd | Package: gddrescue on i386 -- squeeze: 1.11-1; sid: 1.16-1; wheezy: 1.16-1 |
| 11:39.28 | shicy | udruga SOK means organization Open Source Systems :) |
| 11:39.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Nothing4You about confnew |
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| 11:40.40 | Devastator | jelly can I use this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:40.51 | jelly | Devastator: probably! |
| 11:41.08 | jpw | Nothing4You: do `dpkg -L phpmyadmin` and inspect the output for where the configuration files went. |
| 11:42.17 | Devastator | let's see |
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| 11:43.45 | caf | so does the "Changes" bit in Update Manager actually work for anyone else? For me, 99% of the time it just says "Downloading list of changes failed." |
| 11:44.21 | amgarching | I'll leave grub and linux-image-2.6.36* in obscolete. Let me see if it still boots. Thanks jelly! |
| 11:44.35 | jelly | hides |
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| 11:45.07 | jelly | caf: Update Manager is still very, very buggy in Debian |
| 11:45.32 | abrotman | s/in Debian// |
| 11:45.47 | meteo_j | abrotman: xD |
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| 11:48.13 | caf | fair enough |
| 11:48.14 | Diegonat | guys any help at all? |
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| 11:49.38 | amgarching | still works. What could possibly go wrong if I remove "grub"? Wait, grub2 is not even installed. Why is then grub reported as obscolete? |
| 11:50.48 | amgarching | BS. That was wrong machine. |
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| 11:52.12 | amgarching | I'll better stop before I break something. |
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| 11:53.42 | fireant | amgarching: grub2 is the right choice now |
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| 11:56.36 | fireant | amgarching: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 12:05.15 | Devastator | going to install debian, wish me luck heheh |
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| 12:07.59 | shicy | it's easy to install Debian ;) |
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| 12:10.53 | HelenaKitty | hey |
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| 12:11.19 | HelenaKitty | I've come across a problem, yes I am not asking to ask but please bare with me while I type the error. |
| 12:12.02 | HelenaKitty | Starting Music Player Daemon: mpdfailed to stat music directory "/mnt/sdcard/Music": Permission denied |
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| 12:12.11 | HelenaKitty | This daemon starts as the mpd user |
| 12:12.14 | HelenaKitty | so I did... |
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| 12:12.29 | HelenaKitty | chown -hR mpd /mnt/sdcard/Music/ |
| 12:12.36 | HelenaKitty | but I am STILL getting the same error! |
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| 12:15.21 | shicy | have you mounted /mnt/sdcard/Music? |
| 12:15.38 | abrotman | troll back again? |
| 12:15.52 | shicy | ? |
| 12:17.11 | Diegonat | hi guys... Ive got this error when I use cyrus + sasl + kerberos. "reason=saslauthd internal error" . Kerberos works fine because I can actually authenticate against it. Any idea? Please Im lost |
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| 12:17.36 | abrotman | get that error where? |
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| 12:19.50 | Diegonat | from /var/log/auth.log |
| 12:20.38 | Diegonat | Apr 17 13:19:50 frog krb5kdc[3555]: AS_REQ (7 etypes {18 17 16 23 1 3 2}) 192.168.28.2: NEEDED_PREAUTH: testuser@XXXX.ORG.UK for krbtgt/XXXX.ORG.UK@XXXX.ORG.UK, Additional pre-authentication required |
| 12:20.39 | Diegonat | Apr 17 13:19:50 frog krb5kdc[3555]: AS_REQ (7 etypes {18 17 16 23 1 3 2}) 192.168.28.2: ISSUE: authtime 1366201190, etypes {rep=16 tkt=16 ses=16}, testuser@XXXX.ORG.UK for krbtgt/XXXX.ORG.UK@XXXX.ORG.UK |
| 12:20.39 | Diegonat | Apr 17 13:19:50 frog saslauthd[6525]: auth_krb5: k5support_verify_tgt |
| 12:20.39 | Diegonat | Apr 17 13:19:50 frog saslauthd[6526]: get_accept_lock : acquired accept lock |
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| 12:20.43 | ksk | nice |
| 12:20.44 | ksk | hey guys |
| 12:20.50 | Diegonat | sorry |
| 12:20.55 | Diegonat | i didnt do on purpose |
| 12:20.57 | abrotman | Diegonat: so is there an actual problem to solve? |
| 12:21.00 | ksk | wasnt there somehing like dpkg-statoverride but for file in packages i want always to replace? |
| 12:21.08 | Diegonat | abrotman, yes |
| 12:21.12 | jelly | ksk: dpkg-divert |
| 12:21.18 | ksk | thanks, jelly |
| 12:21.22 | Diegonat | http://pastebin.com/dMqE5Kpm |
| 12:21.26 | amgarching | After upgrade to wheezy all users are mapped to nobody on an NFSv4 share. Is this something known? |
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| 12:22.06 | amgarching | users themselves are known. NFS server runs Lenny |
| 12:22.09 | abrotman | Diegonat: ah, so ssh works, imap does not> |
| 12:22.24 | Diegonat | abrotman, exactly |
| 12:22.34 | Diegonat | if kinit testuser works |
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| 12:22.40 | abrotman | Diegonat: tried @hostnname? |
| 12:22.44 | Diegonat | yes |
| 12:22.45 | abrotman | or @kerberos realm? |
| 12:23.16 | abrotman | the realm is blank in your error |
| 12:23.17 | abrotman | or empty |
| 12:23.27 | Diegonat | abrotman, yes it meant work like that |
| 12:23.38 | Diegonat | if I put the realm still the same problem |
| 12:23.58 | Diegonat | testsaslauthd -u testuser -p pass |
| 12:23.58 | Diegonat | 0: NO "authentication failed" |
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| 12:24.46 | abrotman | Diegonat: same error logs? |
| 12:24.50 | Diegonat | yes |
| 12:25.48 | abrotman | so if you put the realm in, the realm is still empty? |
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| 12:26.06 | Diegonat | the realm is there but the error stays |
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| 12:29.56 | Diegonat | abrotman, any idea? |
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| 12:31.26 | amgarching | found it. Domainname mismatch in /etc/idmap.conf |
| 12:31.28 | Devastator | well, Debian is installed, I installed the base system only to be able to choose the WM later, then I tried to install lxde, but it wanted to get 419 packages, some which I will never gonna use like wireless stuff |
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| 12:31.32 | abrotman | Diegonat: i'd probably ask the #cyrus folks, but they're a quiet bunch |
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| 12:31.42 | Devastator | so... aptitude install lxde --no-recommends? |
| 12:31.52 | Diegonat | abrotman, and also they dont speak =D |
| 12:32.10 | abrotman | i said they were quiet! |
| 12:32.24 | abrotman | Diegonat: i've gotten help in there in the past .. i've used Cyrus, but not with Kerberos |
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| 12:35.30 | nabblet | hi, i also on gh_luk problem. we configured the line that makes bind9 to listen to both interface - still one of the does not work. since the bind server runs on the same computer with a wirewall, we set all chains to accept - still no change. any ideas anyone? |
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| 12:37.41 | abrotman | Diegonat: and it seems like you have kerberos done correctly, else you wouldn't be able to login via ssh, right? |
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| 12:38.50 | Diegonat | abrotman, when I kinit |
| 12:38.52 | Diegonat | it works |
| 12:39.02 | Diegonat | i dont use kerberos to login with ssh |
| 12:40.00 | jelly | Devastator: or let it install all the crap, and not use it |
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| 12:41.04 | abrotman | oh ... |
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| 12:41.19 | bambanx_ | hey |
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| 12:41.51 | bambanx_ | guys i have my vps on debian 6 , i am looking for some app for manage my web apps, can u recommend me a free web panel pls? |
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| 12:42.47 | Diegonat | abrotman, what? |
| 12:42.49 | abrotman | !tell bambanx_ about freewhcp |
| 12:42.58 | abrotman | !tell bambanx_ about free whcp |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | Diegonat: nothing |
| 12:43.17 | Devastator | jelly sure, but is there a way to reduce it? because 419 gives about 500mb of download, on 5Mbit connection it's a lot |
| 12:44.16 | abrotman | like .. 10 minutes? |
| 12:44.40 | jelly | maybe 15! |
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| 12:44.59 | Devastator | :P alright |
| 12:45.00 | Infiltrator | Devastator: What's wrong with just doing --no-recommends? |
| 12:45.14 | Devastator | nothing, it is what I just asked |
| 12:45.29 | jelly | some recommends are useful. Second to third leaf thereof, probably not |
| 12:45.47 | jelly | broken english |
| 12:45.52 | s98259 | no sound however my soundcard is being detected and i cant turn up any of the controls in alsamixer |
| 12:46.00 | Infiltrator | If you use aptitude in ncurses mode, you can perouse [sp?] the recommends and cherry pick the ones you like. |
| 12:46.02 | s98259 | Linux sophia 3.1.10-g05b777c #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Nov 29 10:35:37 PST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 12:46.22 | abrotman | s98259: have you considered installing Debian? |
| 12:46.38 | HelenaKitty | abrotman: lol, what?! |
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| 12:46.43 | abrotman | fuck this |
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| 12:46.54 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: please stop trolling this channel |
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| 12:48.32 | bambanx_ | thanks abrotman |
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| 12:48.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell s98259 about armhf |
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| 12:58.30 | BenLue | Hello guys anyone knows were i i see my pptp server connections?` |
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| 13:08.11 | bambanx_ | guy si am trying to install ispcp panel for my web apps and it ask me for : fully qualified hostname, what is it? |
| 13:08.13 | ChrisH | BenLue: grep -l pptp /var/log/* will show it |
| 13:08.34 | ChrisH | bambanx_: hostname.domain.name |
| 13:08.39 | abrotman | bambanx_: that's your DNS hostname or hostname -f |
| 13:08.46 | bambanx_ | can be my ip? |
| 13:08.49 | bambanx_ | i am on a vps |
| 13:08.54 | abrotman | and? |
| 13:08.57 | bambanx_ | using debian |
| 13:09.09 | bambanx_ | and you know a lot of this but not me abrotman |
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| 13:09.16 | bambanx_ | things are obvius for u are not for me |
| 13:09.18 | ChrisH | bambanx_: IP != FQHN. nsloop IP will show the FQHN |
| 13:09.27 | ChrisH | bambanx_: IP != FQHN. nslookup IP will show the FQHN |
| 13:09.39 | abrotman | ChrisH: maybe ... |
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| 13:10.52 | dokma | why is mozplugger trying to open odt with windows media player in debian in chrome? |
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| 13:10.58 | dokma | in firefox works just fine... |
| 13:11.01 | bambanx_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.20 | jelly | ChrisH: what's a FQHN anyway |
| 13:11.43 | ChrisH | jelly: FQHN == fully qualified hostname |
| 13:11.47 | jelly | a coinage for people that didn't understand what FQDN meant? |
| 13:12.01 | jelly | yeah |
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| 13:13.54 | ChrisH | bambanx_: the content of /etc/resolv.conf might also help you to find your systems' FQHN |
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| 13:20.23 | BenLue | ChrisH tnaks |
| 13:20.23 | BenLue | *Thanks |
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| 13:20.24 | lolufail | hi! I hope you can help, though this isn't strictly debian; I have two nodes, I want multicast, same network and everything. if I ping all-systems.mcast.net, both answer, if I ping the address one of them spits out (239.192.199.124), only that one answers, the other one doesnt have a numeric ip when doing netstat -g... what is wrong with that one? |
| 13:20.24 | abrotman | whoa ... |
| 13:20.25 | abrotman | ChrisH: the list of DNS servers? |
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| 13:23.07 | dokma | is there any way to test what chrome does to poor mozplugger to make it try open odt in windows media player? |
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| 13:24.32 | kaste | lol, sounds more like a mime issue |
| 13:25.07 | dokma | kaste: even when you hear that firefox that uses mozplugger as well opens odt in oo? |
| 13:25.37 | kaste | same url? |
| 13:25.43 | dokma | yes |
| 13:25.46 | kaste | then no that's gotta be chrome then |
| 13:25.54 | ChrisH | abrotman: the domain part. |
| 13:26.04 | dokma | kaste: we agree |
| 13:26.26 | dokma | kaste: I just don't know how to peek under the hood and see what chrome does to mozplugger to make it stumble |
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| 13:27.03 | lolufail | -.- kernel panic. did I miss an answer? |
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| 13:29.03 | BenLue | questin: is my pptp server runs correctly? http://paste.debian.net/250087/ |
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| 13:29.11 | ChrisH | lolufail: no. Please paste to paste.debian.net ifconfig -a; netstat -rn; and both pings, the working and non working one. |
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| 13:31.01 | BenLue | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/250088/ |
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| 13:31.43 | BenLue | i cant ping from both sides |
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| 13:33.11 | lolufail | host0: http://paste.debian.net/250089/ |
| 13:33.11 | lolufail | host2: http://paste.debian.net/250090/ |
| 13:33.35 | lolufail | ChrisH: there they are, I beleive host0 is somehow broken |
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| 13:39.45 | dokma | kaste: PDFs open fine inside Chrome, ODTs make mozplugger display that Windows Media Player plugin crashed. In ff PDFs and ODTs work fine also through mozplugger |
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| 13:39.47 | dokma | anyone knows if mozplugger can be made to write some kind of verbose logs? |
| 13:39.47 | Towzzer | what's mozplugger? |
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| 13:39.47 | TheWarden | HI |
| 13:39.47 | totalanonymous | hey everyone i need your help .... im just running rsnapshot for the first time and the configuration file Syntax works. But everytime i start a hourly backup he creates a new full backup (at least it seems so) |
| 13:39.47 | dokma | mozilla plugin that enables embedding external viewers in mozilla and chrome |
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| 13:40.12 | TheWarden | I'm having some difficulty running one particular update for Debian Squeeze. Please see the command I ran and error I received, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/b08898e0ea7369e51cf2. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:41.17 | jpw | totalanonymous: why do you think it is a full backup are you sure? rsnapshot makes heavy use of hard links that might give this impression. |
| 13:41.43 | TheWarden | It's trying to upgrade the package linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 but returns "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". I'm not sure how I would even go about fixing this. My other systems are not experiencing this issue and yes they too are 64-bit installs. |
| 13:42.21 | ChrisH | lolufail: what IP is 239.192.199.124 and the problem is 192.168.128.135 does answer on a ping to 239.192.199.124? I never used multicasts. |
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| 13:42.49 | lolufail | ChrisH: I think that is a multicast address, the server assigned it to itself automatically |
| 13:43.14 | totalanonymous | thank u for your reply jpw ... well it gives me the same amount of GB after it is done |
| 13:43.19 | krofna | How can I startx in chroot? When I try I get this: http://paste.debian.net/250094/ |
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| 13:43.35 | totalanonymous | and it lasts nearly as long as the first time |
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| 13:45.48 | ChrisH | lolufail: from my minor knowledge multicast ips are 224... Just saw its 244.0.0.0 - 239.255.255.255 |
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| 13:45.54 | jpw | totalanonymous: just as a sanity check what filesystem are you using across your partitions paste `mount` preferably |
| 13:46.23 | lolufail | the problem is that server .128 does only answer on the multicast-name, not the address, and does not assign itself an address |
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| 13:47.13 | ChrisH | lolufail: man -k multicast pointed to this command: ip maddress show ;test it on both if there are differnces |
| 13:48.44 | lolufail | ChrisH: yes there are differences, .128 doesn't repost the ip... maybe it's from the router and a problem with my hoster |
| 13:48.50 | lolufail | report* |
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| 13:51.30 | Devastator | what's the debian recommended way to make a monitor resolution be persistent? edit xorg.conf?! |
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| 13:54.43 | totalanonymous | http://paste.debian.net/250096/ |
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| 13:55.31 | totalanonymous | thats quite a bunch :) |
| 13:55.36 | jpw | wow |
| 13:55.38 | jpw | yes it is |
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| 13:56.08 | jpw | what are you backing up and where are you backing up too? |
| 13:56.39 | totalanonymous | that is why i was asking :) ... hardrive to external drive via usb |
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| 13:57.14 | jpw | totalanonymous: can you give me the mount points? |
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| 13:58.04 | totalanonymous | external its /run/var/media on /dev/sdc1 |
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| 13:58.55 | totalanonymous | internal /dev/sda1 |
| 13:59.07 | ChrisH | lolufail: is there a router in the same IP net? |
| 13:59.27 | lolufail | ChrisH yes |
| 13:59.30 | totalanonymous | sda2 sry |
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| 14:01.25 | totalanonymous | maybe its because sdc1 is fuseblk = ntfs and it does not support hardlinks |
| 14:01.27 | totalanonymous | or something ? |
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| 14:03.12 | jpw | totalanonymous: yes that would explain it. |
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| 14:03.55 | jpw | totalanonymous: technically ntfs does support hard links but i wouldn't be supprised if the linux driver doesn't. re-format ext4 and it should work. |
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| 14:04.31 | boyxboy77 | http://xhotspanishgirls.blogspot.com/2013/04/hot-galleries.html |
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| 14:04.47 | totalanonymous | okay ... but its just configure the rsnapshot.conf and add my intervals to crontab . No more tricks necessary right ? |
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| 14:05.04 | totalanonymous | just to get it for sure u know :D |
| 14:06.45 | totalanonymous | well i gotta go ... thank u very much so far jpw :) and have a nice day |
| 14:06.50 | jpw | totalanonymous: that's right. its been a while since I last used rsnapshot. I remember it doesn't require much nursing. so long as your external hdd is set to mount in /etc/fstab |
| 14:07.25 | jpw | totalanonymous: possibly consider writing a wrapper too so that it will complain and die if the external drive isn't mounted. |
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| 14:07.58 | totalanonymous | thats a good idea |
| 14:08.01 | totalanonymous | thanx :) |
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| 14:14.09 | unkmar | okay, I installed vbetool. and yet the screen doesn't come back up when running vbetool dpms on or off. |
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| 14:15.11 | unkmar | sure, I could go to the other room and press a key on the keyboard, but that is so annoying. for now the screen remains off. |
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| 14:22.06 | jhutchins_wk | ,info vbe |
| 14:22.07 | judd | No package named 'vbe' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 14:29.00 | unkmar | I just want to know how to stop the screen blanking. PS: this is on a server. So, gui options won't work for me. |
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| 14:30.15 | jpw | unkmar: `setterm -powersafe off -blank 0` |
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| 14:30.34 | jpw | unkmar: just bung that in yout .bash_profile |
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| 14:32.04 | unkmar | cannot (un)set powersave mode |
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| 14:32.23 | jpw | unkmar: ok just -bank then |
| 14:32.30 | jpw | -blank even |
| 14:33.52 | unkmar | why do I some how thing that is going to ONLY work PER term. |
| 14:34.38 | jpw | unkmar: because your question wasn't specific enoug? |
| 14:35.14 | e-anima | anyone ever occured the following? i extracted a zipfile as toot so root:root now i do chown www-data *, nothing |
| 14:35.19 | e-anima | still root:root no error |
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| 14:36.09 | e-anima | oh crap, its a mounted win share. ok :) |
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| 14:36.30 | somiaj | you can remount it with the -uid and -gid option |
| 14:36.50 | Devastator | what's the debian recommended way to make a monitor resolution be persistent? edit xorg.conf?! |
| 14:37.03 | e-anima | just trying to install the new version og stoneage debian phpadmin packge. |
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| 14:37.32 | somiaj | Devastator: if you don't like the resolution xorg detects as default, yes |
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| 14:38.24 | unkmar | um humm. Couldn't get a response of the ACTUAL tty so, reboot! Freaking system is hinky |
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| 14:38.44 | e-anima | isnt there some kind of testing package server with newer versions? |
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| 14:39.35 | babilen | e-anima: What is stoneage debian? |
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| 14:39.48 | babilen | Devastator: yes |
| 14:39.52 | e-anima | no the package is old. that i meant |
| 14:39.58 | Devastator | no xorg.conf, shouldn't it be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
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| 14:40.06 | babilen | Devastator: well, not quite ... use a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with only that section |
| 14:40.11 | e-anima | i still have not found a clean way tto install new version oft software |
| 14:40.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell Devastator -about xorg.conf.d |
| 14:40.19 | e-anima | i mean packages are sometimes too old |
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| 14:40.50 | babilen | e-anima: There are backports and you can create them yourself: See <bdo> and <ssb> for details (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 14:41.03 | e-anima | babilen thank you |
| 14:41.10 | unkmar | jpw: so, in about an hour I will tell you if setterm -blank 0 in .bashrc worked. |
| 14:41.32 | Devastator | thanks somiaj, babilen |
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| 14:41.57 | Devastator | i wish there was an easier way heheh |
| 14:42.05 | jpw | unkmar: the global setting is in /etc/kbd/config |
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| 14:42.36 | babilen | Devastator: You probably only need the DISPLAY section in there |
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| 14:43.25 | Devastator | babilen can I copy/paste from somewhere? like the one already running |
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| 14:44.29 | jpw | unkmar: in future i'd be greatful if you didn't whine at the people that are helping you, im not obligated to help you at all after all. |
| 14:44.35 | unkmar | jpw: see. now that is more like what I wanted. kbd? why would display a.. nevermind. who said linux should make any more sense than mickiesoft. |
| 14:45.05 | unkmar | jpw: oh yeah, Sorry, I am appreciative. I just don't always come off that way. |
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| 14:45.40 | jpw | unkmar: you're welcome :) |
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| 14:46.24 | unkmar | sweet. I'm gonna make note of that setting file. That is handy. |
| 14:48.43 | unkmar | so, do I need to reboot for that to take effect? |
| 14:49.26 | jpw | unkmar: /etc/init.d/kbd restart should be sufficient |
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| 14:50.01 | unkmar | thanks. I really should check wants in /etc/init.d a little more closely. So many goodies there. |
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| 14:54.11 | dawolf | babilen around? |
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| 14:55.24 | cirrus] | hi |
| 14:55.44 | cirrus] | my last issue has been fixed, I've just had to use wheezy weekly snapshots |
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| 14:57.23 | cirrus] | now I have another: Debian Wheezy installer doesn't recognize my NTFS partitions and says that it's unallocated |
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| 14:59.26 | jpw | ,version ntfs-3g |
| 14:59.27 | judd | Package: ntfs-3g on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1; wheezy: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1; sid: 1:2013.1.13AR.1-2 |
| 15:00.08 | cirrus] | (sorry for connection loss, I have broken internet plug :P) |
| 15:00.39 | jpw | cirrus]: have you got ntfs-3g installed? |
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| 15:01.07 | cirrus] | jpw, I think yes, my debian-installer should have it, I will check and let you know |
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| 15:03.09 | cirrus] | yes, I've got it in "<cdrom>/pool/main/n/ntfs-3g" |
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| 15:04.17 | Aha2Y | How can i set the resolution for debian's tty? Its a very small screen in VMware now :/ |
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| 15:05.47 | jpw | cirrus]: are you still trying to install wheezy? you won't be able to use it at install time. Install wheezy and configure your NTFS partitions afterwards. |
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| 15:07.00 | cirrus] | jpw, yes. but I need to have NTFS partitions present to install Debian without removing Windows. currently Debian says that Windows' space is unallocated |
| 15:07.01 | jpw | Aha2Y: `echo GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 >> /etc/default/grub && update-grub` |
| 15:09.01 | jpw | cirrus]: do you know what partitions windows is installed on? don't install anything on them. The installer doesn't need to read the contents of them to be able to continue. |
| 15:09.45 | cirrus] | jpw, yes, I do. but installer completely ignores them. there should be <NTFS - 6 |
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| 15:10.06 | cirrus] | *nfts - 64 GB partition and Unallocated, and it shows unallocated only |
| 15:10.06 | Aha2Y | that gives me premission denied even with sudo :/ |
| 15:10.26 | cirrus] | but it shows these 6 |
| 15:10.35 | jpw | Aha2Y: hint: `tee -a` |
| 15:10.52 | cirrus] | *64 Windows' gigabytes as unallocated. (sorry, another Winows issue) |
| 15:11.03 | cirrus] | (or my fingers) |
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| 15:12.17 | DamienCassou | hi |
| 15:12.28 | DamienCassou | is there a dedicated channel for getting help on packaging? |
| 15:12.44 | zykotick9 | jpw: is GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 alone enough to set console resolution? isn't GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep required? |
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| 15:14.09 | jpw | zykotick9: that line alone was enough for me. |
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| 15:14.27 | zykotick9 | jpw: thanks. |
| 15:14.29 | Aha2Y | doesn't work for me |
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| 15:14.35 | Aha2Y | i did reboot still same size |
| 15:14.39 | Aha2Y | its vmware btw. |
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| 15:14.59 | screaminggnome | Hi everyone. Just wondering what you prefer: tmux or GNUScreen? |
| 15:15.14 | jpw | screaminggnome: tmux for me |
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| 15:15.26 | screaminggnome | Would you mind explaining why? |
| 15:15.38 | DamienCassou | what is the best way to create a debian/rules file for a cmake-based project? |
| 15:16.10 | jpw | screaminggnome: more sensible defaults, vertical split, has a clock..... |
| 15:16.27 | screaminggnome | The clock is sensible, agreed. |
| 15:16.29 | zykotick9 | screaminggnome: really, it's up to YOU. But i was a long time screen user, and switched to tmux (mainly due to graphic issues with awesome), but now i'd never go back. tmux simply has a lot more features. only downside to tmux, IMO, is non-copyleft, and high percentage of apple users in #tmux channel. |
| 15:16.33 | jpw | screaminggnome: doesn't intercept ^A that I use ALL the time. |
| 15:16.34 | ChibaPet | screaminggnome: screen here, because it works and I'm comfortable with it. |
| 15:16.45 | ChibaPet | jpw: You can remap that you know. |
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| 15:17.05 | themill | DamienCassou: debhelper's "dh" will pick up cmake automatically |
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| 15:17.14 | screaminggnome | Ok. I've heard that screen is more 'feature-rich' than tmux. Is this the case? |
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| 15:17.27 | jpw | ChibaPet: or i could invest in using tmux and not have to reconfigure every machine I use. |
| 15:17.37 | ChibaPet | Also, screen has a clock - to access it, type control-a c and type "date". |
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| 15:17.55 | zykotick9 | screaminggnome: screen supports serial connections, tmux doesn't. |
| 15:17.59 | cirrus] | jpw, what if I would make two partitions through gparted or other partition manager and tell Debian to install on them? |
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| 15:18.10 | DamienCassou | themill: dh doesn't do anything automatically for me so I guess there is something wrong. But I don't know how to debug. The debian/rules I have is pretty bad I think: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm-ubuntu/blob/master/debian/rules |
| 15:18.16 | ChibaPet | jpw: Wow, how do you deal with the default shell RC files? I hate them. That some good intestinal fortitude right there. |
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| 15:18.24 | DamienCassou | themill: do you know about any guideline or documentation about that? |
| 15:18.30 | ChibaPet | s/That/That's/ |
| 15:18.43 | screaminggnome | Right. Thanks for letting me know what your opinions on the multiplexers are. |
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| 15:18.49 | cirrus] | is it right solution and will I be able to crypt these partitions with LUKS? |
| 15:19.03 | ChibaPet | jpw: AKA, wow, please tell me what's hard about "scp .screenrc newhost:"... :P |
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| 15:19.38 | jpw | ChibaPet: alright - chill i only said i prefer tmux's defaults |
| 15:19.54 | ChibaPet | jpw: I know. I'm just fighting the FUD about screen. |
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| 15:20.06 | themill | DamienCassou: most of our overrides seem unnecessary |
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| 15:20.09 | fahi | I too prefer tmux mainly because I like the client/server model tmux has |
| 15:20.13 | themill | dpkg: tell DamienCassou about mentors |
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| 15:21.19 | Sevet | DamienCassou: you can also call cmake manually if you need to specify options... apt-get source mysql-server for an example |
| 15:21.58 | jpw | cirrus]: is the installer showing no 'Free' space? |
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| 15:22.16 | cirrus] | jpw, no. installer currently shows whole disk as free |
| 15:22.24 | DamienCassou | themill: Sevet: thank you |
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| 15:22.39 | cirrus] | and it's not free - I have ntfs partitions there |
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| 15:23.48 | jpw | cirrus]: oh, you didn't ecplain that properly. Im not sure what to suggest without accidentally causing data loss. |
| 15:24.11 | jpw | cirrus]: does fdisk -l show all partitions correctly? |
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| 15:26.05 | cirrus] | jpw, maybe I will show screen shot to you |
| 15:26.20 | jpw | cirrus]: yes probably a good idea. |
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| 15:30.46 | totalanonymous | back again .... rsnapshot still makes full backups instead of incremental backups ... has anyone a idea why ? :) |
| 15:30.52 | SARC | I seek advice to troubleshoot a bootup error: BAR 6: address space collision on of device |
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| 15:33.15 | jpw | totalanonymous: please provide a paste of your /etc/rsnapshot.conf and output of `mount` |
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| 15:33.32 | Akiva-Mobile | I have a very simple program that just takes a "make main.c -o ttyecho" to create the executable. I have no idea how to create a deb though that will take that executable and "sudo mv ttyecho /usr/bin/ttyecho" |
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| 15:33.47 | Akiva-Mobile | every deb creator seems dead set on doing a sudo make install |
| 15:34.10 | Akiva-Mobile | and... I have no idea even how to do that, |
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| 15:34.33 | totalanonymous | hey jpw :) hold on a sec |
| 15:35.33 | Akiva-Mobile | oh I mean "gcc main.c -o ttyecho" |
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| 15:36.28 | Sevet | Akiva-Mobile: if you want to create debian packages, read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 15:36.40 | Akiva-Mobile | I have been reading them |
| 15:36.57 | Sevet | you shouldn't ever need sudo to create a package (only to install if you're not root) |
| 15:36.58 | Akiva-Mobile | they all tell me "SUDO MAKE INSTALL" and your problems are solved :( |
| 15:37.16 | Sevet | that wouldn't be a debian package |
| 15:37.27 | Sevet | read the guide i posted |
| 15:37.36 | Sevet | (and btw it never mentions sudo) |
| 15:37.41 | totalanonymous | http://paste.debian.net/250108/ |
| 15:38.04 | totalanonymous | this time im just using my harddrive but still no progress |
| 15:38.12 | jpw | Akiva-Mobile: what you need is something called a makefile. google 'makefile templates'. this is a bit offtopic for #debian |
| 15:38.35 | Akiva-Mobile | sorry jpw. I thought making debian files would be on topic. |
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| 15:39.14 | jpw | Akiva-Mobile: it is, the makefile part isn't. come back when you have got to that stage. |
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| 15:39.17 | Akiva-Mobile | Sevet: I meant make install, for whatever that is worth. |
| 15:39.24 | totalanonymous | http://paste.debian.net/250110/ |
| 15:39.35 | Sevet | Akiva-Mobile: as jpw says make reads the compilation/installation instruction from a makefile. that's a separate to bulding a package (but a prerequisite) |
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| 15:40.29 | Sevet | Akiva-Mobile: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/ |
| 15:40.39 | Akiva-Mobile | huh... I guess I shouldnt complain... damn volunteers... making me read a huge manual... |
| 15:40.53 | Akiva-Mobile | grumble grumble |
| 15:41.42 | Sevet | Akiva-Mobile: heh ;) the gnu make manual's a probably a bit verbose to start with, google for some tutorials |
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| 15:42.37 | jpw | Akiva-Mobile: Sevet is right. such a simple application's makefile can be accomplished in 2 lines. |
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| 15:43.13 | Akiva-Mobile | jpw: Its so simple! Just read these two huge manuals first! |
| 15:43.18 | Akiva-Mobile | :D |
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| 15:43.33 | jpw | Akiva-Mobile: You must be new here :3 |
| 15:44.03 | jpw | totalanonymous: do you mean /TEST/ to be your snapshot root? |
| 15:44.28 | totalanonymous | yes, i just saw that its not the complete file |
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| 15:45.20 | Akiva-Mobile | jpw: Well, I have a bit more of a complicated program after, so I suppose this is just the tip of the iceberg |
| 15:45.26 | totalanonymous | http://paste.debian.net/250111/ |
| 15:45.28 | totalanonymous | now it is |
| 15:45.38 | phix | https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/2497_365303673586604_1870371452_n.jpg |
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| 15:47.47 | totalanonymous | jpw: well its creating the hourly directories just fine but always as full backups and i cant figure out why ... is it because im testing directly via commandline like "sudo rsnapshot hourly " |
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| 15:48.17 | totalanonymous | im so sick of it ^^ im sitting here for hours now figuring this out |
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| 15:49.02 | totalanonymous | or am i missing some options i dont know about ? |
| 15:49.04 | totalanonymous | hmpf |
| 15:49.04 | jpw | totalanonymous: aha that does remind me of a simiar issue I had while testing. Let me install and play for a sec. |
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| 15:49.31 | totalanonymous | okay of course do whatever has to be done pls :D |
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| 15:51.01 | TheWarden | I'm having some difficulty running one particular update for Debian Squeeze. Please see the command I ran and error I received, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/b08898e0ea7369e51cf2. Any suggestions? |
| 15:51.04 | TheWarden | It's trying to upgrade the package linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 but returns "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". I'm not sure how I would even go about fixing this. My other systems are not experiencing this issue and yes they too are 64-bit installs. |
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| 15:51.45 | petn-randall | TheWarden: : No space left on device |
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| 15:54.27 | TheWarden | petn-randall: I don't see that as an issue from this, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/b08898e0ea7369e51cf2 |
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| 15:54.37 | TheWarden | petn-randall: see the free space at the bottom |
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| 15:57.00 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Check out the full message, you have to scroll to the right for this. |
| 15:57.40 | petn-randall | TheWarden: 17 megs are not enough. |
| 15:57.44 | jpw | totalanonymous: the defaults appear to work fine for me. |
| 15:58.02 | unkmar | Okay, I don't really expect help this time, but it would be extremely appreciated. I'm getting a Kernel panic. Which is somewhat understandable. |
| 15:58.09 | jpw | totalanonymous: http://paste.debian.net/250112/ |
| 15:58.40 | Sevet | TheWarden: /lib is on /dev/sda2 |
| 15:58.42 | unkmar | I'm attempting PXE boot and have some stuff cobbled together. |
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| 15:59.04 | petn-randall | unkmar: Is it logged? If not, take a screenshot and post it somewhere for us to see. |
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| 15:59.15 | babilen | TheWarden: The release notes (which you should follow) have a section on testing for enough available space as well: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#sufficient-space |
| 15:59.36 | TheWarden | petn-randall: oh crap I didn't see that message. |
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| 15:59.50 | totalanonymous | im sry i got kicked somehow |
| 15:59.55 | TheWarden | Sevet: oh great... how do I add more space to that partition |
| 15:59.56 | totalanonymous | still there jpw ? |
| 15:59.59 | totalanonymous | :) |
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| 16:00.16 | unkmar | petn-randall: I'd honestly be better off if someone knows a good howto on pxe setup for debian. |
| 16:00.17 | jpw | totalanonymous: yea i am, < jpw> totalanonymous: the defaults appear to work fine for me. < jpw> totalanonymous: http://paste.debian.net/250112/ |
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| 16:00.49 | jpw | totalanonymous: does the response to the same commands look somewhat similar, particularly the second command? |
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| 16:01.35 | totalanonymous | hang on |
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| 16:03.36 | TheWarden | babilen: okay, I'll take a read. Thanks. |
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| 16:03.59 | TheWarden | Can one alter the root partition to add more hard drive space without loosing data? |
| 16:04.17 | Sevet | TheWarden: either add more space via LVM, move /lib onto another partition or resize your existing partitions. not very simple. don't be so stingy on / next time you use a 2TB drive. |
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| 16:04.23 | tonytraductor | something very odd is happening. I have cronjobs running, but when I do crontab -e, I see nothing. I see it is not opening my crontab in /var/spool/crontab/tony, but rather some tmp file |
| 16:04.43 | unkmar | okay, so where would I upload a screenshot? |
| 16:05.21 | TheWarden | I only need 28.8 MBs... argh., |
| 16:05.33 | tonytraductor | by "see nothing", I mean, I'm getting an empty file, it appears to be a file in /tmp/crontab.g0bbl3dyg0ok/crontab/ Should it not open /var/spool/crontab/tony ? |
| 16:05.44 | tonytraductor | upload a screenshot to imgur, perhaps imgur.com |
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| 16:05.58 | TheWarden | Sevet: well I was told not much spaced is need for root and I think I had enough. no idea how to do any of what you just mentioned. |
| 16:06.04 | jpw | TheWarden: try doing `apt-get autoclean` if you need the space desperately |
| 16:06.08 | tonytraductor | but jobs I added to my crontab just days ago ARE indeed running |
| 16:06.38 | Devastator | where xorg.conf is stored in wheezy? I mean, does xorg still use a config or is it "on the fly"? |
| 16:06.46 | tonytraductor | I ran out of space in the / partition on my laptop, then found I had like 5gb of Death Note videos in the /tmp dir |
| 16:07.00 | jpw | Devastator: there isn't one by defauly now. |
| 16:07.06 | tonytraductor | (that laptop only has like a 30gb drive, 7gb in the / partition). |
| 16:07.11 | jpw | s/defauly/default/ |
| 16:07.34 | tonytraductor | but the problem I'm having with my crontab is not that laptop |
| 16:07.37 | totalanonymous | http://paste.debian.net/250115/ |
| 16:07.38 | tonytraductor | to clarify |
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| 16:07.51 | Devastator | jpw so.. it doesn't read any files, it detects and sets the modes when initialized, is that it? |
| 16:07.53 | tonytraductor | this system is running Squeeze |
| 16:07.58 | totalanonymous | i changed ./ to localhost this time .. same result |
| 16:08.06 | TheWarden | jpw: thanks but that cleans up files within the /var partition. I need more space in the / partition. |
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| 16:08.52 | TheWarden | mmm strange I just checked my other server and I have the same amount of space for the / partition and I don't have an issue there. mmm what the heck.. there must be something I can clean out or I guess just redo the system. |
| 16:09.28 | jhutchins_wk | tonytraductor: iirc crontab -e should open a temporary copy of your crontab, the syntax check it and install it. |
| 16:09.40 | jpw | Devastator: it auto configures almost everything now. You can still create one if you need. |
| 16:09.49 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like it's not able to read your crontab for some reason. Can you open it with vi? |
| 16:09.58 | jpw | Devastator: for example manually seting modes / drivers. |
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| 16:10.24 | Devastator | jpw does debian has a conf example somewhere? /usr/share/doc?! |
| 16:10.39 | tonytraductor | hmmm, the crontab in /var/spool/cron/crontab/tony is also empty...but the jobs I have had, some running for months, some only weeks, are still running. |
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| 16:10.45 | tonytraductor | I'm completely confused by this. |
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| 16:11.16 | tonytraductor | At least, last run, a few hours ago, I have a couple of bots posting to my statusnet and they posted |
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| 16:11.34 | tonytraductor | one is posting the poetry of Matthew Arnold, a line at a time, to an SN account, last posted 6 hours ago. |
| 16:11.39 | unkmar | ls, how do I list ONLY directories? |
| 16:11.56 | tonytraductor | another is posting stuff about the ADA diabetes walk to my personal SN account, last posted 4 hours ago. |
| 16:11.59 | unkmar | there is got to be a simple switch. |
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| 16:12.15 | Devastator | unkmar have you checked help output? |
| 16:12.30 | Devastator | i don't recall by head.. |
| 16:12.31 | tonytraductor | I haven't SAVED a new/empty crontab since then. I just opened it (crontab -e) because I wanted to add another job, and found it empty. |
| 16:12.42 | tonytraductor | so I can't imagine what could have emptied it in the last 4 hours. |
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| 16:13.37 | jpw | Devastator: `Xorg -configure` |
| 16:13.39 | unkmar | yes, and I just end up spending several minutes going round in circles not quite finding it. |
| 16:14.01 | Devastator | jpw thanks! |
| 16:14.06 | unkmar | I was just hoping someone knew offhand. |
| 16:14.16 | tonytraductor | man, I had a lot of stuff in my crontab...it could take me a while just remember what was in there. |
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| 16:14.26 | tonytraductor | Would there be a backup of it somewhere? |
| 16:14.28 | cirrus] | okay |
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| 16:14.42 | unkmar | ls -1d */ |
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| 16:15.19 | somiaj | tonytraductor: only if you take backups of your system (Which is good pratice) (: |
| 16:15.44 | cirrus] | jpw, http://i.imgur.com/lCFj8KB.png <- screenshot from Debian Installer, http://i.imgur.com/UzItBTV.png <- screenshot how should it look like |
| 16:16.19 | phix | cirrus]: You should gimp that, put some lighting effects on it |
| 16:16.37 | cirrus] | phix, :) |
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| 16:16.52 | cirrus] | maybe some lightnings and blur? |
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| 16:16.53 | phix | cirrus]: make it look more epic |
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| 16:16.59 | phix | yeah man, you have the right idea |
| 16:17.02 | jhutchins_wk | tonytraductor: Are you sure you're doing this as the same user? Could it be in root's crontab? |
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| 16:17.10 | phix | it looks pretty bland how it is |
| 16:17.13 | cirrus] | yes |
| 16:17.18 | unkmar | http://my.unkmar.com/error/kernel-panic.png |
| 16:17.18 | phix | :0 |
| 16:17.21 | phix | :) |
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| 16:17.42 | cirrus] | it is. especially the debian installer which doesn't read my ntfs partitions and wants to erase them |
| 16:17.51 | jhutchins_wk | tonytraductor: Remember, /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.[hourly|daily|weekly|monthly], /var/spool/cron/crontab |
| 16:17.51 | totalanonymous | ok well i have no idea what to do about that issue |
| 16:18.01 | phix | unkmar: you could of at least put some shadow and lighting in that |
| 16:18.04 | cirrus] | (I don't mind, but I need Windows, and installing debian before Windows isn't a good idea) |
| 16:18.08 | phix | make it interesting to look at |
| 16:18.34 | cirrus] | hmm |
| 16:18.40 | cirrus] | I will be back soon |
| 16:18.45 | jpw | cirrus]: did you partition your hard disk with paragon? |
| 16:19.00 | tonytraductor | right, but I'm talking about jobs in my personal.user crontab, not stuff I pbut in /etc/cron.* |
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| 16:19.36 | tonytraductor | there's only one user on the system. Me. |
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| 16:19.43 | unkmar | http://my.unkmar.com/error/20130417-kernel-panic.png : Same thing, I renamed the file. |
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| 16:19.46 | somiaj | cirrus]: have you tried the text mode (I don't every use the gui mode) -- the fact that the installer is not reading the partition table correct, could it be something with the partition table |
| 16:19.57 | tonytraductor | oh, and I did check my root crontab, I have 1 job in there to back some stuff up. |
| 16:20.09 | somiaj | cirrus]: you can hit ctlr-alt-f1 (or f2) and get a console that you can do things like 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' and see what it says about the partition table |
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| 16:20.31 | tonytraductor | most of the jobs in my personal crontab were for posting things like history tidbits and weather data automatically to my friendica or statusnet accounts |
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| 16:20.41 | somiaj | cirrus]: but I didn't have ay trouble with the squeeze debian-installer seeing my partitions. Makes me think something is wrong with the partition table that it isn't seeing it |
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| 16:23.56 | samael | hello |
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| 16:26.27 | samael | debian squeeze, gnome, nautilus: no way to change the default multimedia player. i set whatever in system -> preferences -> preferred applications -> multimedia tab -> multimedia player, but still opens with totem. hints? |
| 16:26.31 | totalanonymous | jpw: i removed it and installed it again and now it works flawlessly |
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| 16:26.55 | totalanonymous | sometimes i hate my life |
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| 16:27.00 | totalanonymous | so bad |
| 16:27.15 | jpw | totalanonymous: there there, don't worry eat cake. |
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| 16:27.54 | totalanonymous | yeah yeah i know come to linux .. we have cookies or what was it again ? :)) |
| 16:28.08 | totalanonymous | ok so thank u for your help anyway :) |
| 16:28.16 | jpw | totalanonymous: any time! |
| 16:28.31 | totalanonymous | bye ;) and have a very nice day |
| 16:28.36 | jpw | and you. |
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| 16:31.53 | cirrus] | hi |
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| 16:33.30 | cirrus] | I know that I'm asking it again, and it needs some lightnings to make it more interesting to look at, but anyway: why Debian Installer doesn't recognize my NTFS partitions? screen of my drive: http://i.imgur.com/UzItBTV.png and screen from Debian Installer: http://i.imgur.com/lCFj8KB.png |
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| 16:34.55 | jpw | cirrus]: did you format all of the partitions with paragon: |
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| 16:35.20 | cirrus] | jpw, no. I haven't done anything through Paragon |
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| 16:36.06 | somiaj | cirrus]: As I said, it is most likley the parttion table is not readable by the scripts. goto a console and what is the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' |
| 16:36.36 | cirrus] | somiaj, sorry. I haven't seen what have you said before (minior net issues) |
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| 16:36.47 | cirrus] | ok, let me reboot and check |
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| 16:42.42 | thomaschaaf | Hi, I have two nics eth0 and wlan0 the default route is on eth0. Now I want to route route the traffic from one IP through wifi. I tried: route add -net 46.4.57.150 gw 0.0.0.0 dev wlan0 |
| 16:42.50 | thomaschaaf | what would be the correct way to do this? |
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| 16:44.53 | tonytraductor | i must have somehow inadvertently hosed my crontab sometime this morning, but I haven't the slightest notion how. |
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| 16:45.07 | cirrus] | ok |
| 16:45.14 | tonytraductor | Nonetheless, I've added some of the jobs back and now they're in there and I can edit them again. |
| 16:45.17 | tonytraductor | very strange. |
| 16:45.22 | tonytraductor | gotta run, ciao |
| 16:45.37 | unkmar | yep, so.. No answers. Gotcha. I'll continue my search on PXE setup. |
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| 16:47.26 | Aha2Y | Anyone can tell me why this colors don't work in debian motd? "[[1m^[[36m-[^[[0m^[[36m Welcome to... <box name>! ^[[1m]-^[[0m" |
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| 16:49.10 | jyww | I removed my USB when the installer said to so I boot into my new installed system, now it will not restart. |
| 16:49.18 | cirrus] | (sorry for connection loss, did you got the message) |
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| 16:49.31 | jyww | It hangs on gathering information for installation report. |
| 16:49.38 | jyww | Should I reinsert my USB? |
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| 16:49.52 | jelly | Aha2Y: are those ^[ really control characters? |
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| 16:50.23 | Aha2Y | yes |
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| 16:50.34 | Aha2Y | ctrl + v + esc |
| 16:50.36 | Aha2Y | right? |
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| 16:51.40 | jelly | Aha2Y: Right. I've put my ascii crap in /etc/motd.tail, it works after boot |
| 16:51.43 | jelly | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 52 Mar 25 2012 /etc/motd.tail -> motd.tail.pinkie_img2text-W79-x8-y16-dnone-g.5.xterm |
| 16:52.08 | Aha2Y | yes but. |
| 16:52.14 | Aha2Y | The example i posted works? |
| 16:52.23 | Aha2Y | or am i doing the control chars wrong/ |
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| 16:54.41 | Aha2Y | it doesn't work jelly :( |
| 16:54.42 | Aha2Y | ^[[1m^[[36m-[^[[0m^[[36m Welcome to... <box name>! ^[[1m]-^[[0m |
| 16:54.43 | Aha2Y | Last login: Wed Apr 17 18:41:27 2013 |
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| 16:55.20 | Miesco_ | Im using wheezy and the repository has: google-gadgets-qt, but packages.debian.org says its only for squeeze and sid: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=google-gadgets |
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| 16:56.47 | alazred | Anyone as a good tutorial to make a custom debian livecd/dvd ? |
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| 16:59.39 | jelly | Aha2Y: do the colors appear when you cat the file? |
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| 17:01.11 | Miesco_ | Whats this mean: 0.11.2-5 [debports]: armhf |
| 17:01.23 | Miesco_ | It has that for packages under SID |
| 17:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: It helps a lot if you describe your problem instead of just posting pastebins. Without a summary I'm not going to follow links. |
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| 17:02.11 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: Are you trying to set up a PXE environment for remote booting, or installing, or what? |
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| 17:03.02 | petn-randall | unkmar: You didn't highlight me, so I lost track of any messages you wrote. :( |
| 17:03.41 | petn-randall | unkmar: You setup isn't finding the root partition. Check the bootloader + config on what rootfs you're passing. |
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| 17:03.59 | MadCamel | so, er.. I'm having issues with reportbug. I tried through my normal (high reputation) MTA, it seemed to go through normally.. Yet I didn't get a bug# back. I then tried a copypasta into gmail, same issue. |
| 17:04.01 | petn-randall | s/You/Your/ |
| 17:04.25 | jordanm | MadCamel, there can be up to an hour delay. it also implements greylisting |
| 17:04.48 | MadCamel | Greylist compatible.. and more than 24h ago |
| 17:05.26 | MadCamel | I'm stumped. I wish there was a web form or something I could use |
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| 17:05.58 | unkmar | petn-randall: not finding root. Thank you. |
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| 17:06.27 | unkmar | jhutchins_wk: remote booting multiple nearly identidal systems. |
| 17:06.34 | MadCamel | It's a glibc fix for wheezy too :( |
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| 17:06.55 | acu_ | !paste |
| 17:06.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:07.02 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: Have you looked at ltsp? |
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| 17:07.28 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: Even if you end up doing your own thing, it's a good way to have a look at a working system. |
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| 17:08.06 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: Documentation has fallen behind current packaging, it's pretty much install-and-go these days. |
| 17:08.07 | unkmar | jhutchins_wk: had not heard of it. |
| 17:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | !ltsp |
| 17:08.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:12.52 | bambanx_ | guys when i do a ping it show me how fast the web response to me? |
| 17:12.59 | bambanx_ | sorry for my bad english |
| 17:13.27 | nipsy | bambanx_: ping isn't really for checking web response times. It's more just IP response. |
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| 17:14.44 | nipsy | bambanx_: curl could give you something like that though if you're looking for something command line based. |
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| 17:15.02 | bambanx_ | well |
| 17:15.15 | bambanx_ | i have the same web app on two servers |
| 17:15.26 | bambanx_ | i wanna see how load more fast |
| 17:15.27 | nipsy | bambanx_: Something like "curl -w %{time_connect}:%{time_starttransfer}:%{time_total} $URL". |
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| 17:15.54 | mads- | For some reason gdm3 doesn't want to shut down. I'm trying to install new nvidia drivers over ssh, but when I do "service gdm3 stop" it stops and is registered as stopped on service --status-all. But when I try to install the new driver the installer says the X Server is still running. Is there a way to KILL IT (like kill -9) ? |
| 17:16.37 | nipsy | mads-: Sure. kill -9 the PID of X and it should go away assuming something isn't hung up in the kernel. |
| 17:16.43 | bambanx_ | nipsy, is : curl -w %{time_connect}:%{time_starttransfer}:%{time_total} www.mydomain ? |
| 17:16.57 | mads- | nipsy, what is name of the process running X? |
| 17:17.01 | mads- | Just gdm3? |
| 17:17.01 | nipsy | bambanx_: That should give you those numbers, yes. |
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| 17:17.32 | nipsy | mads-: "ps axf | grep gdm" or "ps axf | grep X" should show you. |
| 17:17.44 | mads- | nipsy, thanks |
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| 17:18.17 | nipsy | mads-: If you just kill X and gdm is running normally otherwise, it will restart X again. So you might need to kill -9 gdm first and then X if it doesn't die for some reason. |
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| 17:26.11 | cirrus] | hmm |
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| 17:26.43 | cirrus] | maybe I will just overwrite Windows with Debian, then install Windows, and try to restore GRUB... somehow? |
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| 17:27.08 | nipsy | cirrus]: What's the problem? |
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| 17:29.08 | cirrus] | nipsy, Debian Installer doesn't recognize my NTFS partitions - it treats them as they never exist. people on channel asked me to do "fdisk -l /dev/sda/", it prints NTFS drives, but puts warning above " GPT detected on '/dev/sda'. The util fdisk doesn't support GPT, use gnu parted instead" |
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| 17:29.34 | cirrus] | but GParted doesn't work with LUKS, and I would like to have crypted drive with LUKS |
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| 17:30.17 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: I use LUKS and gparted, but I don't see any overlap there, nor conflict. |
| 17:30.29 | nipsy | cirrus]: Hmm. What size drive? |
| 17:31.18 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, last time I've been trying to do GParted on drive crypted with luks it said "GParted doesn't support LUKS" and only thing I could do with it was deleting it |
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| 17:31.28 | cirrus] | nipsy, entire HDD? 500 GB |
| 17:31.53 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: Oh, the whole drive is the encryption device? I've only ever encrypted partitions. |
| 17:32.04 | nipsy | cirrus]: And you already shrunk the Windows partition(s) down to free up some space for Linux? |
| 17:32.10 | cirrus] | Windows partition? 64 GB (65536 MB) + 100 MB reserved for OS |
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| 17:32.31 | cirrus] | nipsy, I have left 400 GB for Linux during Windows installation |
| 17:32.37 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, sorry, I mean partition |
| 17:32.46 | somiaj | cirrus]: what version of debian are you trying to install? version 6? |
| 17:32.55 | cirrus] | somiaj, Wheezy |
| 17:33.09 | cirrus] | latest weekly developing snapshot |
| 17:33.26 | somiaj | so you have a GPT parition table, and the wheezy installer is not supporting it...maybe that is the issue |
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| 17:33.38 | cirrus] | yup |
| 17:33.38 | ChibaPet | Wheezy does GPT without problems. |
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| 17:34.02 | somiaj | ChibaPet: wheezy or the installer? He is having problems, the installer is not seeing his partition table |
| 17:34.14 | ChibaPet | Hm, I don't have an exact match here - the one disk where I have NTFS partitions isn't GPT: |
| 17:34.17 | ChibaPet | http://paste.debian.net/250137/ |
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| 17:34.21 | cirrus] | so what can I do if installer doesn't support it? |
| 17:34.48 | somiaj | cirrus]: well need to figure out if it is really the installer or maybe some slight strangeness in your parititon table |
| 17:34.56 | somiaj | the result is it doens't see it, so you may have to do a more manual install |
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| 17:35.08 | truexfan81 | question, cirrus] have you already created all your partitions? |
| 17:35.35 | cirrus] | truexfan81, no. I created only ntfs partitions and left space (about 400-450 GB) for Linux |
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| 17:36.09 | truexfan81 | ok a possible work around would be to download the gparted live cd and make the partitions using gparted and just tell the installer to use them |
| 17:36.21 | cirrus] | ok. but what about LUKS then? |
| 17:36.25 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: Can you create partitions from inside Windows? It'd be interesting to see if the Wheezy installer could see them. If so, create them in Windows, and then install to them with the Wheezy installer. It'll do encryption out of the box, or you can manually do LUKS. (I believe it does plain cryptsetup by default.) |
| 17:36.55 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, with GParted live CD |
| 17:37.04 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: That should work too. |
| 17:37.09 | cirrus] | ok |
| 17:37.11 | cirrus] | let's see |
| 17:37.25 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: Just make the partitions, but do nothing with them - set 'em up inside the Wheezy installer. |
| 17:37.48 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, ok |
| 17:38.07 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: It's strange to me that you don't actually see the partitions, though - it makes me think the partition table is damaged. |
| 17:38.13 | truexfan81 | yes ChibaPet correct me if i'm wrong but i usually make 2 partitions 3 if you include swap, i do a 20GB / and the rest is /home |
| 17:38.45 | cirrus] | truexfan81, I have 8 GB RAM, and I've never used over 6 GB. do I need swap? |
| 17:38.59 | ChibaPet | truexfan81: What I would do, in fact, is make a 100M /boot and make the rest a hunk to use as LVM, and then cut root, swap, home, etc. out of that. |
| 17:39.14 | somiaj | cirrus]: Do you want to ever suspend the machine to harddisk? |
| 17:39.36 | cirrus] | somiaj, hmm... it would be useful option |
| 17:39.42 | cirrus] | so I need swap? |
| 17:39.57 | truexfan81 | cirrus]: i'd probably do 1GB just to be safe, only way you would need more is if you want to suspend as somiaj said, in which case the swap would need to be equal to the ram |
| 17:39.59 | somiaj | cirrus]: then you need a swap at least the size of your ram, because that is what supped to disk does is copy all your ram to swap then shut down the machine |
| 17:40.17 | ChibaPet | somiaj: My cargo-cult thinking on swap is that it expands the possible virtual address space, allowing allocations that would be denied otherwise even if you don't actually use the physical disk. Am I confused? |
| 17:40.24 | cirrus] | ok |
| 17:40.45 | somiaj | cirrus]: on my desktop with 12gigs of ram I don't use swap, have no issues and can suspend to ram just fine |
| 17:41.06 | somiaj | ChibaPet: I don't think swap is allocated the same as regular ram |
| 17:41.09 | truexfan81 | suspend to ram? what? |
| 17:41.27 | cirrus] | so, make partition for swap, for /boot, and for everything else? |
| 17:41.33 | ChibaPet | somiaj: I thought available swap impacted what you could do with RAM overcommits and stuff. I could be wrong. |
| 17:41.33 | somiaj | truexfan81: well that is just supsend, I was just trying to describe it as different than hibernate (or suspend to disk) |
| 17:41.51 | truexfan81 | ah ok i see |
| 17:41.53 | unkmar | see, that ltsp idea might have been great if I new about it yesterday before I got this hacked together mess that now interrupts what whould have been a proper setup. |
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| 17:42.04 | truexfan81 | also i believe /boot is different than / |
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| 17:42.16 | truexfan81 | isn't /boot just for grub? |
| 17:42.16 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: An advantage of all-but-boot in LVM is that you can have the LVM live on top of crypto and only have one passphrase to enter on boot. |
| 17:42.32 | ChibaPet | truexfan81: The kernel and some grub pieces live on it. |
| 17:42.43 | cirrus] | yes! it's thing I want ChibaPet! |
| 17:42.53 | cirrus] | wait, no password to account? |
| 17:43.12 | unkmar | and purge doesn't clean. Dang it. Why is there not something more than remove, and purge. something that ACTUALLY removes previous settings or someway to completely override previous settings without completely starting over. |
| 17:43.17 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: No, that's different. You *can* do that but I wouldn't recommend it. Only one password for your encrypted disk. |
| 17:43.23 | somiaj | ChibaPet: not really sure, haven't ever thought or dealt with that. But I thought that swap wasn't treated as normal ram, and the kernel copied ram to and from swap (based on use) |
| 17:43.31 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, ok |
| 17:43.43 | truexfan81 | somiaj: thats what i thought too |
| 17:43.51 | ChibaPet | somiaj: Yeah, but I *believe* there's a notion of total virtual space available that impacts allocations somehow. I don't know. |
| 17:44.22 | somiaj | ChibaPet: I just know with 12 gigs of ram, after 2 years I never used any of my swap so I got rid of it. |
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| 17:45.13 | ChibaPet | somiaj: It's entirely possible that my thinking about swap is archaic. |
| 17:45.43 | bambanx_ | works cool ur code nipsy thanks very much |
| 17:46.46 | ompaul | ChibaPet: it is needed period unless you have a very special set of circumstances - if you use it I'd say you are under spec in the hardware dept, but for that once in the life of a server time when things go nuts it's needed |
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| 17:47.21 | ompaul | ChibaPet: failure to have it will cause disk access to go crazy |
| 17:47.42 | ompaul | as ram tries to deplete itself of stuff it no longer really needs |
| 17:48.01 | ChibaPet | Well. Failure to use it will invoke the reaper, no? :P Anyway, I always allocate RAMx2 for swap, which is easy nowadays when disk is effectively free. |
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| 17:48.09 | ompaul | however for some reason that bit of ram ain't free yet - woops your machine is overloaded and likely to die |
| 17:48.23 | ompaul | ChibaPet: I approve ;-) |
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| 17:48.49 | ompaul | with swap time to recover to something resembling normal is faster |
| 17:49.03 | somiaj | ompaul: I heard that argument for swap, but the part that confused me was lets say you have something run away and eat all your ram, wouldn't it then just eat all your swap to, so all the swap does is slow down the crash? |
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| 17:49.56 | ompaul | somiaj: it allows more things to happen on the box for longer |
| 17:50.07 | ompaul | given that a machines job is to process data, that is a good thing |
| 17:50.29 | bambanx_ | guys i have a vps on debian, how i can add domains? |
| 17:50.51 | somiaj | yea, from my point of view on a desktop I saw it as if something is gonna crash my machine because it eats all my ram, the extra time eating up the swap as well wouldn't help me save it. |
| 17:50.53 | Trewas | ompaul: swap is not required, if there is enough RAM... I have not used swap in years with my desktop (8GB ram) or with my laptop (6GB) |
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| 17:51.17 | ChibaPet | Trewas: You might enjoy hibernation on your laptop sometime. I use it daily. |
| 17:51.21 | ompaul | Trewas: I have servers with 16gigs of ram and they use chunks of swap every now and again (about twice a year) |
| 17:51.25 | somiaj | bambanx_: what doy ou mean by add domains? Do you want to add them to a mail server? web server? etc? in which case you configure the corresponding servers to accept mail/http request or other domains |
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| 17:51.43 | ChibaPet | somiaj: He means Xen guest domains I think. |
| 17:51.46 | Trewas | ChibaPet: there is that tthing called suspend to ram, which is much faster than hibernation |
| 17:51.49 | ompaul | bambanx_: that would depend on who your supplier is, how much access you have to the hardware, etc . |
| 17:51.56 | ChibaPet | Trewas: It eats a bunch more power though. |
| 17:52.05 | bambanx_ | is for websites |
| 17:52.08 | bambanx_ | i have all access |
| 17:52.10 | bambanx_ | i think |
| 17:52.12 | bambanx_ | is a vps |
| 17:52.18 | ChibaPet | oh, I was wrong then |
| 17:52.21 | Trewas | somiaj: sure swap would be used in these computers if there was any, just to make things slower |
| 17:52.22 | ompaul | bambanx_: stop hitting enter - makes it hard to follow you |
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| 17:52.33 | somiaj | bambanx_: if you use apache, then configure apache, and set up its VirtDomains (I belive that is what it calls it) |
| 17:52.46 | ompaul | pats the stupid java data cruncher that should be rewritten in perl ;-) |
| 17:52.47 | ChibaPet | Trewas: There's also hybrid-suspend, which suspends to RAM but does all the work of hibernation, for those times when the machine runs out of juice while suspended. |
| 17:52.48 | bambanx_ | i am using nginx |
| 17:53.06 | Trewas | ChibaPet: there is that, but I think it survives a week with suspend which makes the power saving with hibernation quite irrelavant for my use |
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| 17:53.16 | somiaj | Trewas: yea, note we are using desktops/laptops, and if something goes wrong no big loss. Servers are a much different beast and I would never not have swap on one. |
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| 17:53.33 | somiaj | My laptop can last about 5-6 days with suspend (to ram) |
| 17:54.21 | ChibaPet | A week! That's a good battery. My ASUS Eee PC won't go nearly that long. |
| 17:54.49 | Akiva-Mobile | ... I officially hate this channel. When I asked my question as to how to solve my makefile issue to create a simple deb, I was given two bloody full vague manuals on technical tutorials on how to create debian files, when all I needed was someone to tell me, "Oh all you need to do is write: 'install: |
| 17:55.02 | Akiva-Mobile | and then my installation script |
| 17:55.11 | Akiva-Mobile | BLAH!!! |
| 17:55.16 | somiaj | ChibaPet: the battery is okay, after a weekend I'm down to about 1/2 battery life (maybe a little more). But I can only get about 1.5 hours of active use on my battery |
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| 17:55.45 | Akiva-Mobile | You all must like to torture people who come in here who just want a simple answer to a simple question |
| 17:55.51 | somiaj | Akiva-Mobile: there are better channels to ask questions about building debian packages. |
| 17:55.52 | ChibaPet | somiaj: Oh, weird. Opposite here. I am fanatical about power settings, and I can get close to nine hours of network/wifi use out of my ASUS. |
| 17:56.09 | Akiva-Mobile | somiaj: OBVIOUSLY! |
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| 17:56.19 | ompaul | Akiva-Mobile: rants go to dev null |
| 17:56.26 | ChibaPet | somiaj: And then I hibernate, and it wakes up with the same battery level, maybe 1-2% less if it's been a while. |
| 17:56.39 | Trewas | ChibaPet: samsung 5 series ultrabook, maybe it is more about chipset etc than battery |
| 17:56.48 | ChibaPet | somiaj: You might look at suggested PowerTop tweaks to extend your life. |
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| 17:57.15 | Akiva-Mobile | ompaul: Yes yes, and I suppose you are going to tell me to read RMS's 31 chapter gnuRant.txt on how to do it properly |
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| 17:57.47 | ompaul | Akiva-Mobile: don't be giving me ideas :) |
| 17:57.52 | Akiva-Mobile | ;_; |
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| 18:01.01 | nkuttler | is there no way to set uid/gid for ext when mounting? |
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| 18:02.14 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.44 | ompaul | (default: uid=gid=0 |
| 18:02.55 | ompaul | nkuttler: you'd never believe where I got that ;-) |
| 18:02.56 | ompaul | hides |
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| 18:03.11 | nkuttler | i just tried that but got unknown option... let me try again |
| 18:03.31 | ompaul | nkuttler: man page ... |
| 18:05.15 | ompaul | nkuttler: check that search for cifs to have a look at it http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/WindowsShares |
| 18:05.53 | ompaul | nkuttler: what do you actually want to use |
| 18:06.05 | nkuttler | i asked about ext fs, not windows shares |
| 18:06.18 | nkuttler | and i know about man pages, uid/gid is not in the ext section |
| 18:06.46 | ompaul | nkuttler: ack |
| 18:07.22 | nkuttler | i just have a gazillion small files on that disk and the user IDs have changed |
| 18:07.44 | nkuttler | ah anyway, i'll let chown run overnight |
| 18:08.10 | nkuttler | otoh i could change the user ids.. |
| 18:08.17 | ompaul | that might be faster |
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| 18:16.32 | thewanderer1 | hi. I'm having trouble booting Debian when an IBM M1015 card is inserted into the system. I boot off a disk connected to the board's AHCI ifaces, not the M1015 controller. boot just hangs with messages saying udev: killing <name of process>, usually some modprobe or similar... |
| 18:16.45 | thewanderer1 | this is Wheezy with 3.2, amd64 |
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| 18:17.07 | unkmar | #ltsp is useless. |
| 18:17.46 | unkmar | I can't use standalone because pfsense box is dhcp server |
| 18:19.06 | unkmar | I have to quit |
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| 18:19.31 | unkmar | I don't see any chance of solutions and the frustration is starting go to my heart |
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| 18:21.18 | jordanm | unkmar, I have personally booted ltsp with pfsense box as the dhcp server |
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| 18:21.25 | jordanm | so it is certainly possible |
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| 18:34.49 | franksNbeans | has anyone run opengl in a vm? |
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| 18:39.40 | ws2k3 | hello people i'm looking into maning my server a mailserver with roundcube which mta do you recommand for that postfix or exim |
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| 18:41.42 | zykotick9 | franksNbeans: virtualbox can do some software opengl redering. |
| 18:41.56 | zykotick9 | s/redering/rendering/ |
| 18:41.58 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, http://workaround.org - you'll find everything you need there... they prefer Postfix, as I recall |
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| 18:42.34 | thewanderer1 | incidentally, I run Roundcube with Postfix, but the MTA is completely independent of any webmail clients |
| 18:42.44 | socomm | franksNbeans: generally speaking graphic accelaration in a virtual environment does not work very well |
| 18:43.03 | zykotick9 | franksNbeans: i second socomm's statement |
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| 18:43.08 | listenpreis | hello |
| 18:43.15 | listenpreis | can somebody help me unrar split archives in CLI? |
| 18:43.24 | listenpreis | E: Package 'unrar' has no installation candidate |
| 18:43.31 | franksNbeans | I'm just trying to test things. I broke my xfce4 install and had no borders or anything. Couldn't fix or enable the defualt manager |
| 18:43.36 | thewanderer1 | franksNbeans, I've tried OpenGL (or was that DirectX?) in a Windows VM under VBox/Debian. it didn't work for any of the games I tried, so I gave up. |
| 18:43.36 | listenpreis | and I read 'unrar' has problems with split archives |
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| 18:44.10 | Vicissitude | listenpreis, get p7zipfull it can handle rar zip and even 7z archives (split or whole) |
| 18:44.14 | zykotick9 | listenpreis: there is an unrar-free i believe in main, for the "other" unrar you need the non-free repository |
| 18:44.25 | listenpreis | Vicissitude: I have rar archives |
| 18:44.29 | listenpreis | sorry |
| 18:44.30 | abrotman | judd: versions unrar |
| 18:44.31 | judd | Package: unrar on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:3.9.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:4.1.4-1; sid/non-free: 1:4.2.4-0.3 |
| 18:44.49 | listenpreis | zykotick9: I added those sources here: http://janscholten.de/blog/2009/04/unrar-unter-debian/ |
| 18:44.59 | Vicissitude | listenpreis, 7zip handles rar files too |
| 18:44.59 | abrotman | as zykotick9 said |
| 18:44.59 | listenpreis | okay, thanks, Vicissitude |
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| 18:45.16 | jelly-home | ,v rar |
| 18:45.17 | judd | Package: rar on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; sid/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1 |
| 18:45.22 | listenpreis | Reading state information... Done |
| 18:45.22 | listenpreis | E: Unable to locate package p7zipfull |
| 18:45.23 | listenpreis | :( |
| 18:45.41 | listenpreis | what's my mistake again? |
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| 18:46.26 | zykotick9 | listenpreis: i quick search should have given you the correct package name, p7zip-full |
| 18:46.31 | zykotick9 | s/i/a/ |
| 18:46.49 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, somiaj, guys, you were right |
| 18:46.55 | cirrus] | I have corrupted GPT |
| 18:46.58 | listenpreis | thx |
| 18:46.59 | cirrus] | thanks |
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| 18:47.21 | thewanderer1 | I'm affected by, strangely, this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1092102 -- with an LSI 9240 on Wheezy. any clues? (yes, my udevd is killing modprobe, but this is not a Frankendebian) |
| 18:47.32 | listenpreis | okay |
| 18:47.43 | listenpreis | I always get local warnings (setting locale failed |
| 18:47.47 | listenpreis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.48 | listenpreis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.48 | listenpreis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.48 | listenpreis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.54 | listenpreis | sry |
| 18:48.32 | cirrus] | now: what can I do to fix GPT? I guess that now I have to remove Windows, clear everything as it was out of the box, create partitions, then install Windows and then Debian and everything will be ok? |
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| 18:49.30 | jelly-home | apart from expect, is there a way to provide a password to telnet noninteractively, and then continue with the interactive session? |
| 18:49.35 | franksNbeans | what is the default xfce4 window decorator? |
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| 18:50.31 | jelly-home | franksNbeans: by default, xfce4 doesn't use a compositing wm, and its xfwm4 both manages windows and keeps the borders and stuff |
| 18:51.21 | socomm | jelly-home: I think lftp might let you do this. |
| 18:51.31 | franksNbeans | jelly-home: am I wrong in thinking that if I use emerald that would cause xfwm4 to malfunction due to part of it being used? I have tried a few others but not sure what I am doing wrong. |
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| 18:52.01 | socomm | http://lftp.yar.ru/lftp-man.html |
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| 18:54.21 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: If it were me - and realize you could lose everything - I'd take careful note of where your partitions are, and then write out a new partition table and recreate the partitions in place. |
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| 18:54.43 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: You shouldn't end up actually destroying the partition data, just pointing at it from new structures. |
| 18:54.58 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, how can I do it? |
| 18:55.06 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: That said, if there's a way to repair the GPT that's probably safer. Let me check that first. |
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| 18:55.37 | jelly-home | franksNbeans: if you use compiz and emerald, you don't use any part of xfwm4 |
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| 18:56.45 | jelly-home | socomm: lftp is not a telnet client |
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| 18:57.35 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: I have no experience with this, but http://sourceforge.net/projects/gptfdisk/ seems to talk about repairing damaged GPT structures. |
| 18:57.42 | franksNbeans | jelly-home: I was hopeing to try only emerald in xfce4 but then also restore xfce4's default window manager from command line. This is a learning experiance for me only. |
| 18:58.07 | jelly-home | franksNbeans: I'm not sure that makes sense at all. |
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| 18:58.13 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, what can I lose? it's damaged anyway :P |
| 18:58.23 | cirrus] | I guess it won't destroy my BIOS |
| 18:58.28 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: But before you do that, to explicate the other option: |
| 18:58.46 | jelly-home | franksNbeans: people in the xfce channel might know better |
| 18:58.54 | franksNbeans | jelly-home: when I have xfce4 installed then I install compiz and emerald everything changes and I cannot restore xfce4 without uninstalling compiz and emerald. |
| 18:58.58 | franksNbeans | ok, ty |
| 18:59.21 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: So, the other thing is to call the GPT a loss and write out a new GPT table, and create new partitions *EXACTLY* same same size as your old ones. This *should* give you a partition table that points at your existing partitions without damaging anything. |
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| 19:00.01 | cirrus] | hmmm |
| 19:00.02 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: So, you'd want to record the exact size of each partition - like, what is the starting sector and ending sector of each? However much detail you can get... It's dangerous, though. |
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| 19:00.21 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, what if I have no data on this hard drive? |
| 19:00.31 | cirrus] | only fresh linux installation with basic utilities? |
| 19:00.39 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: If you have no data and you don't care about preserving the existing partitions, blow it all away and start fresh, sure. |
| 19:00.56 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: I thought you had some established Windows partitions there too. |
| 19:00.57 | RedScaled | Hey there ^^ |
| 19:00.59 | unkmar | thank diety for virtual machines and privatized networks. |
| 19:01.04 | RedScaled | Hope I don't interrupt something |
| 19:01.12 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, it will be easier, right? |
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| 19:01.34 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: Starting fresh, writing a new GPT, going from there? Sure. You just lose whatever is on the disk. If you don't mind, then absolutely that's the easiest answer. |
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| 19:01.41 | RedScaled | Could I kindly ask a question maybe? (I am just here because I need support.. and I searched for the last 7 hours for a solution..) |
| 19:01.56 | htor | RedScaled: shoot! go ahead |
| 19:02.05 | RedScaled | ok. Following problem |
| 19:02.08 | ChibaPet | RedScaled: Could we schedule for for half an hour from now, perhaps? |
| 19:02.20 | ChibaPet | s/for/you/ - my snark fails due to typo |
| 19:02.34 | RedScaled | First my System: Debian lenny VServer. |
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| 19:03.01 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, nights are long and there are thousands of bytes... I will go with reinstallation, I guess that if I will start right now, then I will come back here and greet you about midnight... |
| 19:03.17 | RedScaled | I have a ISO Image (And I am terrible sorry for my poor english..) I want to extract it but I just have putty, MC doesn't work and I can't mount iso's because of restriction. |
| 19:03.23 | cirrus] | so, I'll go and reinstall ti |
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| 19:03.25 | cirrus] | *it |
| 19:03.28 | cirrus] | see you soon! |
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| 19:03.44 | htor | RedScaled: by extracting, do you mean mounting? |
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| 19:05.36 | RedScaled | no not mounting |
| 19:05.41 | RedScaled | just unrar it so to say |
| 19:05.49 | RedScaled | like a *.bzip |
| 19:06.08 | htor | okay |
| 19:06.23 | htor | then what's restricting you to do that? |
| 19:06.25 | RedScaled | I already tried file-roller but it doesn't work |
| 19:06.33 | RedScaled | 7zip doesn't seems to work ether. |
| 19:07.14 | petn-randall | RedScaled: So you don't have root on that machine? Or why can't you mount the ISO? |
| 19:07.28 | RedScaled | I have root |
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| 19:07.42 | RedScaled | but my Serverhoster doesn't allow me to mount isos. it is a VServer |
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| 19:09.12 | Guest57303 | hi |
| 19:09.32 | htor | RedScaled: don't know much about vserver i'm afraid |
| 19:09.37 | petn-randall | RedScaled: What happens then, if you 'mount -o loopback file.iso /mnt/tmp' on that system? |
| 19:10.25 | Tuxinou | is it possible to switch hdd between an old computer |
| 19:10.28 | Tuxinou | and a new one |
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| 19:10.33 | Tuxinou | to get extacly the system back ? |
| 19:10.49 | Tuxinou | (different motherboard etc) |
| 19:10.53 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: sure. If it's the same CPU architecture, it'll even boot fine. |
| 19:11.16 | fahi | RedScaled: 7zip can extract iso images |
| 19:11.32 | htor | http://linux-vserver.org/Getting_high_with_lenny # ha ha! just what is this? |
| 19:11.34 | Tuxinou | old amd vs intel i5 |
| 19:11.53 | Tuxinou | both 64bits |
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| 19:12.15 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: Should work fine for Debian. Windows not so if you have it. |
| 19:12.19 | RedScaled | I will try it wait a sec |
| 19:12.26 | Nothing4You | i just updated my mysqld on wheezy, when it tries to restart i get "mysqld: 130417 21:07:55 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'default-character-set=utf8'" |
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| 19:12.41 | Tuxinou | debian squeeze server |
| 19:12.50 | Tuxinou | and the raid will continue to work ? |
| 19:12.52 | Tuxinou | >< |
| 19:13.04 | htor | Nothing4You: some config file error? |
| 19:13.15 | fahi | RedScaled: the debian package is called p7zip |
| 19:13.22 | RedScaled | After mounting to tmp folder |
| 19:13.30 | Nothing4You | htor: i didn't change the mysql config since installation |
| 19:13.31 | unkmar | well, now its confirmed that they simply left out some steps in their instructions about ltsp, |
| 19:13.36 | RedScaled | mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf' |
| 19:13.37 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: Still, everything will continue to work. |
| 19:13.48 | htor | Nothing4You: well, it might be that the old config file format is invalid |
| 19:14.09 | Nothing4You | after removing that from my.cnf i get the same error for 'default-collation=utf8_general_ci' |
| 19:14.10 | Nothing4You | " |
| 19:14.14 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: Unless you have a Hardware-RAID, then it's up to the hardware vendor. |
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| 19:14.40 | RedScaled | I have installep p7zip but when I try to unpack it following error appears |
| 19:14.43 | Nothing4You | shouldn't apt realize that previously installed default configs which are no longer compatible need to get changed? |
| 19:14.52 | Nothing4You | after removing both vars it's working now |
| 19:15.19 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: No, usually you'll be informed about it in the NEWS file. |
| 19:15.55 | Nothing4You | where would i find that NEWS file? |
| 19:16.08 | fahi | RedScaled: install p7zip-full and do ``7z x foo.iso`` |
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| 19:16.20 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: /usr/share/doc/<name of package>/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 19:16.51 | Nothing4You | lol so i'm supposed to read that after each apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:17.07 | htor | Nothing4You: it's generally a good idea to read news |
| 19:17.10 | jelly-home | Nothing4You: yes, if there are changes. |
| 19:17.10 | Nothing4You | i'm happy i don't run debian on my desktop machine |
| 19:17.23 | RedScaled | It worked |
| 19:17.28 | RedScaled | I am so happy thank you guys |
| 19:17.29 | Nothing4You | thanks for the info though |
| 19:17.32 | jelly-home | Nothing4You: apt-listchanges package can be set up to show NEWS.Debian at installation time |
| 19:17.42 | RedScaled | the 7z x xyz.iso command worked |
| 19:17.42 | Nothing4You | that would be better i guess |
| 19:17.44 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: apt-listchanges will show you these changes if you want |
| 19:17.57 | jelly-home | petn-randall: you lost! |
| 19:17.57 | fahi | RedScaled: no problem, glad it worked |
| 19:18.08 | petn-randall | shakes fist at jelly-home. |
| 19:18.09 | Nothing4You | thanks, installed it |
| 19:18.14 | petn-randall | Damn you noisy kids! |
| 19:18.22 | jelly-home | muahaha |
| 19:18.42 | RedScaled | I wish you all a wonderfull good night thanks for the awesome support. |
| 19:18.48 | RedScaled | you guys are all awesome ;9 |
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| 19:18.53 | htor | thanks |
| 19:18.58 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: If you upgrade your stable release it's generally good to read stuff like that. It's probably documented in the release notes, too. |
| 19:18.58 | htor | i know |
| 19:19.55 | Nothing4You | i don't understand what you mean, i'm on testing and it was working fine with testing, then i got an update in testing and it broke |
| 19:20.07 | Tuxinou | petn-randall: it's a software |
| 19:20.12 | Tuxinou | made with mdraid |
| 19:20.13 | Tuxinou | :) |
| 19:20.21 | htor | Nothing4You: well, now you now what broke it |
| 19:20.22 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: Then you'll be fine :) |
| 19:20.33 | Nothing4You | yeah |
| 19:20.41 | Nothing4You | was easy to fix |
| 19:21.16 | Tuxinou | so it's just up to x86 x86_64 ? |
| 19:22.17 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: What do you mean? If both the old and new server is 64bit ("amd64"), it'll work just fine. Try it! |
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| 19:29.09 | Tuxinou | hum okay |
| 19:30.36 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 19:30.38 | HelenaKitty | Hey |
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| 19:31.08 | HelenaKitty | I'm trying to install a bin file but when I execute ./file.bin it says "command not found" |
| 19:31.13 | HelenaKitty | What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:31.15 | Tuxinou | intel 64 bits is equals to amd64 petn-randall ? |
| 19:31.28 | ompaul | Tuxinou: yes |
| 19:31.33 | HelenaKitty | I also chmod -x'd the file |
| 19:31.35 | Tuxinou | ok |
| 19:31.42 | Tuxinou | thx |
| 19:31.54 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: Unless you have an Intel Itanium, your architecture is amd64. |
| 19:32.07 | nipsy | HelenaKitty: You sure it's not a weird wrapper around some binary blob? Less the file and make sure it's not trying to use an interpreter you don't have installed. |
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| 19:32.58 | HelenaKitty | er... |
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| 19:33.10 | HelenaKitty | nipsy: jwm |
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| 19:33.13 | HelenaKitty | or jvm |
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| 19:33.17 | HelenaKitty | or something like that |
| 19:33.18 | HelenaKitty | O.o |
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| 19:33.34 | nipsy | HelenaKitty: Is it #!/something? |
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| 19:34.06 | Tuxinou | petn-randall: do you know backuppc ? :D |
| 19:34.10 | HelenaKitty | nipsy: sh |
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| 19:34.13 | Tuxinou | i've some performance question |
| 19:34.14 | HelenaKitty | I have shell installed |
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| 19:34.43 | HelenaKitty | okies |
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| 19:34.44 | nipsy | HelenaKitty: Anything else right at the top that you clearly don't have installed command wise? |
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| 19:34.45 | Tuxinou | is the processor important for io/wait issue during writing the backup ? |
| 19:34.47 | HelenaKitty | I did sh file.bin |
| 19:34.49 | HelenaKitty | it works now |
| 19:34.53 | nipsy | Weird. |
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| 19:35.23 | nipsy | HelenaKitty: If it says "#!/bin/sh" at the top, it really ought to work if you've set the execute bit. |
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| 19:35.32 | HelenaKitty | nipsy: Debian always does that anyway |
| 19:35.45 | abrotman | unless it's pointing to a non-standard shell |
| 19:35.59 | nipsy | Well, right, which is why I wanted to know what was at the top. |
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| 19:36.12 | HelenaKitty | It's saying it wants 2GB RAM and wont let me continue :/ |
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| 19:36.20 | HelenaKitty | I need to force it. How can I mimic it? |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | ask the people that created the .bin |
| 19:36.41 | abrotman | clearly it wasn't Debian |
| 19:36.59 | HelenaKitty | "Ubuntu 10.04 operating system was detected." |
| 19:37.01 | HelenaKitty | What?! |
| 19:37.02 | HelenaKitty | O.o |
| 19:37.04 | nipsy | HelenaKitty: Any chance you can disclose what it is you're trying to run exactly? |
| 19:37.16 | HelenaKitty | nipsy: I'm trying to install nexpose. |
| 19:37.23 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: so ask them for support |
| 19:37.25 | HelenaKitty | it's a vulnerability scanner. |
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| 19:37.39 | HelenaKitty | abrotman: Why would I ask ubuntu for support when I'm using Debian? |
| 19:37.44 | HelenaKitty | Linux felicia 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:37.47 | HelenaKitty | there debian ^ |
| 19:37.47 | abrotman | ask nexpose .. |
| 19:37.52 | HelenaKitty | oh |
| 19:37.56 | nipsy | From their support page: "Linux 8.04, 10.04, 12.04" hahaha... |
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| 19:38.01 | abrotman | yeah .. i didn't think you'd put that together |
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| 19:38.34 | HelenaKitty | nipsy: Whyy are they calling it Linux versions when it's Ubuntu versions? |
| 19:38.38 | HelenaKitty | they must be noobish! |
| 19:39.03 | nipsy | HelenaKitty: Yes, exactly. Generally getting commercially provided binaries to run on distributions of Linux they don't directly support can be painful. |
| 19:39.39 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: I personally don't like backuppc. The speed of the backup is most of the time disk-bound, meaning that the bottleneck is your RAID. |
| 19:39.54 | HelenaKitty | nipsy: I hate it when they try to go the easy way out and wrap a binary in wine and call it "Our product for linux" |
| 19:39.57 | HelenaKitty | haha |
| 19:39.58 | nipsy | But abrotman is right, you really ought to be asking this company for support at this point. They will probably just tell you Debian is unsupported and leave it at that. |
| 19:40.02 | Tuxinou | right |
| 19:40.08 | Tuxinou | but there's other options ? |
| 19:40.18 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: For backup? |
| 19:40.23 | Tuxinou | yes |
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| 19:40.55 | petn-randall | Tuxinou: rdiff-backup, bacula, probably at least a dozen more. |
| 19:41.24 | abrotman | he could do a debtag search |
| 19:41.49 | nipsy | Tuxinou: None of which might be a drop in, turn key backup solution though. Depends on how much work you're willing to do to implement any of them. |
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| 19:45.24 | HelenaKitty | Herbert the pervert |
| 19:45.27 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 19:45.36 | htor | http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/gui-programmer.html |
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| 19:46.50 | bw_ | hm, is there an apt-{get,cache,*} command to check what package might have depends on e.g. apache and so apache got installed? (apt-cache [r]depends isn't exactly what i'm looking for) |
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| 19:47.44 | htor | bw_: isn't that the default behaviour of apt-get/aptitude? |
| 19:48.31 | bw_ | htor: i have apache installed, but i didn't installed it on purpose, so i'd like to know why depended on it |
| 19:49.02 | htor | ah, i see |
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| 19:55.37 | petn-randall | bw_: Why doesn't apt-cache rdepends work for you? |
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| 19:55.50 | acu_ | I am working with an application that runs in python virtual environment. This app requires rpy. I hace R-core and python-rpy installed in debian, but the app can not access the rpy since in runs in its virtualenv. I downloaded another rpy from http://rpy.sourceforge.net/. I am thinking to place it in a folder accessible to the app and set it on path. The README file that came with rpy explains that R must be made as a shared lib |
| 19:55.51 | acu_ | rary and path to R library must be configured. The last step in README is to type python setup.py install. I already have R_core installed . Does it mean I do not need to do anything with R/ |
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| 19:56.20 | petn-randall | bw_: Check with aptitude if it was marked as 'auto'. |
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| 19:57.03 | petn-randall | acu_: It might be better to ask on #python |
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| 19:59.14 | hellyeah | how can i enlist wi fi device on system |
| 19:59.17 | hellyeah | dpkg wireless |
| 19:59.18 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 20:00.03 | bw_ | petn-randall: rdepends doesn't merge the result with the installed packages |
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| 20:00.51 | nipsy | hellyeah: iwconfig? |
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| 20:01.34 | hellyeah | can i get 3g wireless modem information which is connected with usb? |
| 20:01.54 | bw_ | acu: install rpy in the same virtualenv, that should work |
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| 20:02.38 | htor | when do we all have to switch over to ipv6 for real? |
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| 20:03.11 | Dagger2 | htor: you don't "switch over". you use v4 and v6 together, using v6 if possible and falling back to v4 if not |
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| 20:04.00 | htor | Dagger2: allright! i like ipv4 |
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| 20:04.20 | nipsy | hellyeah: Your best bet of getting something like that to work is to find people via you search engine of choice who have the same model device and talk about getting it to work in Linux. |
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| 20:04.53 | hellyeah | sure |
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| 20:06.40 | cptblood | i need help with setting up my dlink dwa-547 wireless card in command line debian... i've read and tried from the debian wiki, but i only get: |
| 20:06.49 | cptblood | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 |
| 20:06.50 | cptblood | No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 20:06.51 | cptblood | No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
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| 20:09.10 | Tuxinou | re |
| 20:09.39 | Tuxinou | about minutes ago petn-randall |
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| 20:10.04 | Tuxinou | I'm seeking a powerful tool for backing up computer |
| 20:10.14 | Tuxinou | with the less of io/wait |
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| 20:10.27 | hellyeah | my 3g wireless mode is connected to my computer via usb but lsusb didnt give anything about it damn |
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| 20:10.47 | ompaul | Tuxinou: i/o is your disk - and powerful is doing it right with good checking - rsnapshot is good |
| 20:11.14 | Tuxinou | so if 'ive a shared folder |
| 20:11.26 | Tuxinou | it's better to put it on an other computer |
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| 20:11.44 | Tuxinou | for don't have any troubles with io/wait by backup ? |
| 20:11.52 | cirrus] | duh |
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| 20:12.33 | nipsy | Tuxinou: Is the backup causing other problems on the machine because of the IO load? |
| 20:13.01 | cirrus] | cleared everything in GParted, created partitions for Windows, it said "partitions <numbers of partitions created by gparted> can not be used by installer because they're GPT partitions" |
| 20:13.04 | Tuxinou | backuppc use bzip2 if i remembered right |
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| 20:13.13 | Tuxinou | and this use a lot of cpu |
| 20:13.24 | cirrus] | when I create partitions with installer, it makes damaged drives table |
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| 20:13.43 | cirrus] | it would work if I'd enable EFI, but Debian won't work with EFI |
| 20:13.48 | nipsy | Tuxinou: Yes, bzip2 is very CPU intensive. Switch it to use gzip if possible (much faster, compression not as good). |
| 20:13.52 | cirrus] | s/EFI/UEFI |
| 20:15.31 | nipsy | Tuxinou: Or nice/ionice your backup processes so they are friendlier to your system. |
| 20:15.31 | Tuxinou | oh, sorry, it's BackupPC_tarExt |
| 20:15.31 | Tuxinou | :P |
| 20:15.50 | cirrus] | or will it? what's with Debian and UEFI? |
| 20:16.07 | Tuxinou | normaly i can put a parameter to backuppc |
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| 20:16.19 | Tuxinou | that influe the read/write process on disk |
| 20:16.27 | Hydroxide | cirrus]: debian squeeze should be able to work with either MBR or GPT on BIOS, and maybe some bootloaders will work on UEFI, I'm not sure. the upcoming debian wheezy supports UEFI, though not secure boot unless you handle that manually with software that's not in debian |
| 20:16.28 | nipsy | cirrus]: Debian won't work at all with UEFI? That doesn't sound right. |
| 20:17.03 | Hydroxide | cirrus]: at the very least, elilo is available in squeeze, and it looks like an EFI-capable version of GRUB is too |
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| 20:17.39 | Hydroxide | cirrus]: so my guess is squeeze supports it but not the squeeze installer's automatic bootloader stuff |
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| 20:17.40 | nipsy | cirrus]: This page talks about some options for UEFI boot: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi |
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| 20:18.04 | cirrus] | nipsy, Hydroxide thanks |
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| 20:19.34 | Tuxinou | but this process can be increase by a better processor |
| 20:20.00 | Tuxinou | because it's an AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 945 Processor |
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| 20:20.35 | nipsy | Tuxinou: Did you have a specific question? |
| 20:20.46 | Tuxinou | not really |
| 20:21.05 | Tuxinou | :p thinking a way to improve my backup system |
| 20:21.19 | nipsy | Tuxinou: More/faster disks is the usual approach. |
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| 20:21.37 | Tuxinou | how can i have the description of system disk ? |
| 20:22.39 | cirrus] | so all I have to do is creating two partitions? and what if I will install windows 7 with UEFI first? do I still have to create partition for bios and efi? |
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| 20:24.19 | val_erie | I have python related question and i am registered with freenode network. When I try to join python channel, it takes me to python-unregistered. What do I need to join to ask python questions? |
| 20:24.42 | nipsy | cirrus]: I think the easy answer is to use MBR instead of GPT if possible and boot into compatibility mode if your UEFI supports behaving like a traditional BIOS system. |
| 20:24.52 | Vicissitude | val_erie, join #freenode and you will learn what you need to do |
| 20:25.47 | cirrus] | nipsy, but I can't, because Windows uses then classic MBR and for some reason Debian Installer doesn't see Windows |
| 20:26.01 | cirrus] | and GParted says that gpt is corrupted |
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| 20:27.02 | cirrus] | ok, never mind |
| 20:27.06 | cirrus] | I found a solution |
| 20:27.39 | cirrus] | I've had before efi os, that used GPT, and there still are gpt leftovers |
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| 20:28.13 | cirrus] | I guess now I should write about ten thousand times "I will wipe partitions when I reinstall operating system" or something like that |
| 20:28.41 | nipsy | Or just stop dual booting. :) |
| 20:28.50 | nipsy | Or stop dual booting on the same drive anyway. :) |
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| 20:28.54 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: If you're on an EFI box you need an EFI partition, but I'm not sure about space - they don't tend to need a huge amount. You may not need a separate bios_boot partition in that case. |
| 20:29.04 | cirrus] | nipsy, sadly, I have to if I still want to have friends |
| 20:29.17 | nipsy | cirrus]: Sounds like you have strange friends. |
| 20:29.21 | cirrus] | (games :P) |
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| 20:29.33 | val_erie | Vicissitude, I am using xchat interface, chose FreeNode and filled in the user info. What else do I need to do to join #freenode? |
| 20:29.35 | nipsy | cirrus]: Hell, just install Cygwin under Windows and call it a day. |
| 20:29.54 | Myrtti | val_erie: are you identified? |
| 20:30.01 | Vicissitude | val_erie, type /join #freenode and ask your question there. |
| 20:30.03 | cirrus] | nipsy, some of them are weird... but anyway, I like to play some games that aren't available on Linux and doesn't work with Wine |
| 20:30.36 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, I will just erase whole hard drive and it will be ok |
| 20:30.40 | nipsy | cirrus]: I understand. My primary machine at home runs Windows for this reason alone. But I still have Cygwin installed if I want to actually use my computer to do something moderately useful. |
| 20:31.01 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, someone has had the same problem: http://superuser.com/questions/293339/gparted-errors-on-mbr-disk-claims-its-gpt-its-mistaken-but-why |
| 20:31.02 | val_erie | Vicissitude, wher do I type /join #freenode? |
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| 20:31.31 | Vicissitude | the same place you're typing everything else :) |
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| 20:31.44 | cirrus] | nipsy, yup. but I want to have normally Linux to work on it |
| 20:31.47 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: Odd, odd. |
| 20:31.58 | cirrus] | and I have only one computer with only one HDD |
| 20:33.08 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, not so much. because of EFI leftovers debian installer could be confused and read EFI data and read that there's no efi partitions (true, they has been removed with Win7 installer) |
| 20:33.45 | cirrus] | because it was in compability mode, Windows 7 haven't thought that he has efi partitions here |
| 20:34.10 | cirrus] | so he removed it normally. and that was mistake, because he (or I) should have removed all efi adta |
| 20:34.13 | cirrus] | *data |
| 20:34.28 | ChibaPet | Alright, s/Odd/Icky/ :) |
| 20:34.59 | cirrus] | I agree with Icky |
| 20:35.15 | cirrus] | again windows coders doesn't think and Linux suffers ;) |
| 20:35.34 | cirrus] | (or cirrus] doesn't think, and cirrus] suffers ;)) |
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| 20:38.02 | sadtaco | Uhh I'm sorry if this is really dumb, but I can't figure out how to save and exit crontab -e from ssh. ctrl+x doesn't work, nor escape. |
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| 20:38.50 | nipsy | sadtaco: "Escape ZZ"? |
| 20:39.12 | nipsy | sadtaco: Like hit escape then hold shift and hit ZZ. Does that work? |
| 20:39.14 | petn-randall | sadtaco: If its vim, :wq will save and quit |
| 20:39.17 | traph | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.38 | cirrus] | ok, thanks ChibaPet and nipsy for help |
| 20:39.41 | sadtaco | No that just puts in 1 Z |
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| 20:39.56 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: Seems like you solved most of it yourself. But, happy to help. |
| 20:40.05 | sadtaco | petn-randall, eh? |
| 20:40.49 | nipsy | sadtaco: "<Esc>:wq<Enter>" would be the other option which petn-randall recommended. |
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| 20:41.10 | cirrus] | ChibaPet, really, I solved most of it by myself? so I actually know something about computers? :P |
| 20:41.12 | nipsy | sadtaco: But if neither of those works, you're most likely not using vi or vim. |
| 20:41.21 | petn-randall | sadtaco: colon, double-u, queue, but that'll only work if your editor is vim. |
| 20:41.32 | ChibaPet | cirrus]: No, that's always an illusion, but I'm happy when I'm lucky at guessing at solutions. :P |
| 20:41.39 | sadtaco | That just types in :wq |
| 20:41.47 | cirrus] | :D |
| 20:42.04 | sadtaco | Okay wait. It says Ctrl+K H for help. I just realizedi need ot hold htem all |
| 20:42.21 | sadtaco | exit ^KX save. |
| 20:42.26 | sadtaco | So.. ctrl K X |
| 20:42.39 | sadtaco | There we go. Wtf |
| 20:42.48 | nipsy | Which editor was that exactly? |
| 20:42.55 | petn-randall | So that was emacs? |
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| 20:43.04 | sadtaco | Joe's Own Editor. Wtf. |
| 20:43.10 | petn-randall | If you have to press more than three keys at once, it was emacs :) |
| 20:43.42 | nipsy | I didn't realize there was another editor than vim. :) |
| 20:43.51 | sadtaco | Haha |
| 20:43.53 | sadtaco | I usually use nano |
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| 20:44.28 | cirrus] | last question for today: I have /dev/sda to overwrite completely from first sector to last. I've read that I can do it with dd, but some people are saying that dd is acronym for "destroy disk", so I'm afraid of creating dd command by myself. how will it look like? |
| 20:44.44 | cirrus] | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda? |
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| 20:45.50 | nipsy | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda to avoid the /dev/random "slowness". |
| 20:46.00 | cirrus] | ok. thanks nipsy |
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| 20:46.24 | nipsy | Seems a bit excessive honestly. I'm sure there is some way to wipe just the GPT information. |
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| 20:47.01 | nipsy | But whatever, it's only a 500GB drive. At least it's not multiple terabytes. |
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| 20:47.25 | cirrus] | I have time :P |
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| 20:47.40 | nipsy | Well, that's usually the first requirement for computers. :) |
| 20:47.50 | cirrus] | nights are long, and I have no girlfriend or friends, so I have time :P |
| 20:48.01 | buu | Hey, anyone know off hand how I can disable xscreensaver blanking my screen from the command line? |
| 20:48.26 | nipsy | buu: pkill xscreensaver? :) |
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| 20:49.05 | buu | nipsy: Heh, aside from that =] |
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| 20:49.36 | nipsy | buu: Do you want it to disable the power management or run an actual hack instead? |
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| 20:50.20 | buu | nipsy: I just want to turn off the screen blanking |
| 20:50.30 | buu | I thought there was an xset or something that would do it |
| 20:50.46 | nipsy | buu: "xset dpms force off" blanks it. |
| 20:50.53 | nipsy | buu: I'm not sure about leaving it on. |
| 20:51.30 | buu | nipsy: er |
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| 20:51.44 | buu | nipsy: What's the opposite of that command? force on leaves the screen black |
| 20:52.06 | cirrus] | okay, I have to go. thanks for all and see you guys :) |
| 20:52.23 | cirrus] | I still hope that I will send you greetings from Debian very soon |
| 20:52.32 | nipsy | buu: I always check off the power management feature via xscreensaver-demo to tell it not to turn off the monitors. |
| 20:52.47 | nipsy | buu: Not sure if there is a way to toggle that via xscreensaver-command or some such. |
| 20:52.53 | buu | OH |
| 20:53.18 | buu | nipsy: xscreensaver-command is what I was trying to remember =p |
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| 20:58.00 | unkmar | Still working on PXE booting. http://pastebin.com/VSKQDDcJ |
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| 20:58.35 | nipsy | OT, but they're about to launch a rocket if anyone wants to watch: http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/TpY5YTV1CUg/ |
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| 21:02.49 | nipsy | Well, scratch that. Launch is off. Lameness. |
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| 21:11.20 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 21:11.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 21:11.43 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: pastebin.com is blocked by a common webfilter. |
| 21:12.33 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: Seriously, I would at least read the docs for ltsp, and maybe install it to see how they do it. You'll save a lot of time if you can see what it's supposed to look like. |
| 21:13.49 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: I tried to build a clonezilla PXE, but got lost trying to customize the boot menu and never finished. |
| 21:14.05 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: ltsp on the other hand works great for me. |
| 21:14.16 | unkmar | jhutchins_wk: I did. and it didn't work. so! |
| 21:15.18 | unkmar | jhutchins_wk: and it was incomplete. Didn't appear to set up the /srv/tftp/ area at all. No pxelinux.cfg/default or pxelinux.0 |
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| 21:18.43 | unkmar | I can't configure a booted sytem, because I can't get a booted system. -_- |
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| 21:21.19 | unkmar | I wish I could just give up, go home, and go to sleep |
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| 21:28.08 | allure | Is there a way to transfer all packages necessary to compile a driver to another box that has no driver for ethernet on a usb flash drive? |
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| 21:28.54 | ChibaPet | allure: maybe apt-get build-dep package, and then copy those from your apt cache? |
| 21:29.10 | ChibaPet | Or if the other box is Debian (presumed) just do the same there? |
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| 21:29.28 | ChibaPet | Or, the other box has no network...? Hrm. |
| 21:29.33 | allure | ChibaPet: the problem is that there is no network there yet. I need to compile the ethernet drivers :) |
| 21:29.38 | allure | yeah |
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| 21:29.51 | ChibaPet | allure: You don't have a USB ethernet adapter, do you? I keep one around. Very handy for odd situations. |
| 21:29.53 | peterrooney | sees an XY problem... |
| 21:30.09 | ChibaPet | allure: Or, there's always ppp over serial... :P |
| 21:30.12 | peterrooney | allure: which driver, by chance? |
| 21:30.14 | allure | ChibaPet: no, I dont :( |
| 21:30.21 | allure | peterrooney: alx for atheros 1091 |
| 21:31.56 | peterrooney | and the two different kernels involved are? |
| 21:32.06 | allure | peterrooney: sadly |
| 21:32.10 | allure | peterrooney: yes |
| 21:33.02 | ChibaPet | allure: Which two, he's asking. |
| 21:33.45 | allure | ops, sorry! 2.6.32-5 and the other is 3.2.0 |
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| 21:34.05 | allure | thank you for the correction, ChibaPet |
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| 21:34.24 | peterrooney | ChibaPet: allure's right, the important point being: if the same, no futzing needed. |
| 21:34.46 | allure | peterrooney: I want to compile atheros driver on the 2.6.32-5 kernel (netinst) |
| 21:34.56 | ChibaPet | allure: This might sound odd, but how about building a chroot that matches your target and building inside of it? |
| 21:34.57 | peterrooney | allure: I'd go with copying over the debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 21:35.35 | shellox_ | does anyone use a Oxford OX16PCI954 multiport serial card here? |
| 21:36.35 | shellox_ | it's detected and the serial ports come up, but I can't get a connection on it. It uses the normal 'serial' driver. |
| 21:36.59 | ChibaPet | shellox_: Pinouts always get me. Sometimes handshaking. Have you eliminated all of that? |
| 21:37.03 | allure | ChibaPet: might work... :) |
| 21:37.10 | allure | peterrooney: that is a good idea, too :) |
| 21:37.23 | allure | I will try peterrooney idea first, then ChibaPet if first doesnt work |
| 21:37.29 | allure | Thank you, peterrooney and ChibaPet |
| 21:37.30 | ChibaPet | allure: I do something similar to build i386 packages on my amd64. |
| 21:37.35 | allure | I will come back later with some results :) |
| 21:37.38 | allure | ChibaPet: nice :) |
| 21:37.40 | ChibaPet | And hey, that was my idea, and he was just going with it. Credit! |
| 21:37.48 | allure | hahaha cool |
| 21:37.50 | allure | ;) |
| 21:37.54 | allure | well, now gtg |
| 21:37.56 | ChibaPet | But, hope it works, either way. |
| 21:37.57 | allure | implement this ideas |
| 21:38.01 | allure | thank you :) |
| 21:38.06 | allure | ill bbl |
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| 21:38.47 | shellox_ | ChibaPet: well, i try to connect to an extreme switch. I tested that the connection works on the internal serial port first, which works fine. It just doesn't work on the multiport serial card |
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| 21:39.39 | ChibaPet | shellox_: Ah, well. That eliminates several variables, so, good. Hm. |
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| 21:40.04 | ballison | why does "apt-get install --reinstall" not actually reinstall the package but instead UPGRADE the package? |
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| 21:40.58 | shellox_ | ChibaPet: https://gist.github.com/shellox/abd97bd76e69c9d97f8b |
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| 21:42.06 | shellox_ | ChibaPet: does this look ok? |
| 21:42.17 | ChibaPet | shellox_: This isn't strictly the same card, but it might be worth pursuing the clock stuff they discuss. See the second post: http://www.linuxmisc.com/5-linux-hardware/21fb2ee40bb5eaf8-2.htm |
| 21:42.36 | ChibaPet | It's a pretty old post, but it popped out as being interesting. |
| 21:42.42 | shellox_ | ChibaPet: the funny thing is that I have another oxford card which works :/ |
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| 21:43.25 | ChibaPet | shellox_: Same model? |
| 21:43.32 | shellox_ | nop |
| 21:43.38 | shellox_ | the other one is a c308 |
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| 21:44.37 | petn-randall | ballison: Is that particular version even available from somewhere? |
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| 21:47.58 | ChibaPet | shellox_: Double-checked, and they are uniquivocally stating that the OX16PCI954 is supported out of the box, and this was in 2005. |
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| 21:48.20 | ChibaPet | shellox_: I hate to suggest this, but it's possible the card is bad in some way, physically. |
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| 21:59.51 | unkmar | oh my freaking diety. At this point the server has got to be hosed. |
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| 22:00.25 | unkmar | I have installed, removed, purged, reinstalled, and rm -rf directories and in some cases files. |
| 22:01.09 | unkmar | Now, installs wont give me /etc/init.d/tftpd of any form. |
| 22:02.04 | unkmar | todya has been completely useless and it is time to go home. I mean. really. All day and no success. |
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| 22:14.21 | unkmar | okay. this thing is mostly headless. how can I install via ssh? what is the fastest way to reach an ssh so I can install? |
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| 22:17.31 | ChibaPet | unkmar: You need to start with a head probably, but you can choose a remote install option early on. |
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| 22:18.11 | lovingyou | hello, got a weird problem. |
| 22:18.15 | ChibaPet | unkmar: If you have a proper headless set-up - say, a serial console - you can just use that, but I'm guessing you want to boot from regular media with a monitor, start the install, and load the bit that starts an ssh server and lets you continue remotely |
| 22:18.33 | lovingyou | installed latest ubuntu and when I try to download a 1G test file, it starts downloading for 10-15 seconds then it stops |
| 22:18.40 | lovingyou | and the download url is timing out |
| 22:18.45 | lovingyou | somehow debian blocks it? |
| 22:18.47 | ChibaPet | lovingyou: That one's easy. Uninstall it and install Debian. Fixed. |
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| 22:18.54 | somiaj | you could write a preeseed, and you only need to see enough to boot the image with the preeseed unkmar, but I'd take ChibaPet suggestion and just get to the point in the installer you can install the rest over ssh |
| 22:19.09 | lovingyou | ChibaPet, sorry, I mean debian |
| 22:19.09 | lovingyou | :P |
| 22:19.28 | lovingyou | installed latest debian, 64bit |
| 22:19.36 | ChibaPet | lovingyou: That sounds like an issue on the network, totally outside of your influence, honestly. |
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| 22:20.02 | lovingyou | have centos box in the same rack/switch/etc |
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| 22:20.04 | lovingyou | and works fine |
| 22:20.06 | somiaj | lovingyou: by default debian has no firewall, or anything like that. If it is timing out it might just be your network. This does included a misconfigured, poor networkcard/driver. |
| 22:20.15 | ChibaPet | lovingyou: What protocol? Let's have more detail. |
| 22:20.27 | lovingyou | I just do a wget |
| 22:20.28 | lovingyou | to a link |
| 22:20.29 | somiaj | lovingyou: the best you can do is make sure you have a supported module installed and the firmware for your card. |
| 22:21.08 | ChibaPet | lovingyou: How recently did you try it with your CentOS box? I'd try again, if it were me, in case it's a transient issue. The CentOS box might see it too. |
| 22:21.34 | lovingyou | just few minutes ago |
| 22:21.53 | ChibaPet | lovingyou: If you really think it's an issue on your Debian box, 'ifconfig -a' and see if you have any error counts, for starters. |
| 22:22.12 | lovingyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.13 | lovingyou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.28 | ChibaPet | lovingyou: Another thought, try copying it *from* the CentOS box. That ought to give you a great test of your Debian box's network capabilities, if it's in the same rack. |
| 22:23.03 | lovingyou | worked fine |
| 22:23.06 | ChibaPet | lovingyou: If you really have an issue with the hardware or some software config, I'd expect it to show up just as fast with a local transfer. |
| 22:23.19 | lovingyou | 100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 111M/s in 0.9s |
| 22:23.19 | lovingyou | 2013-04-17 18:22:56 (111 MB/s) - ?100m.zip? saved [104857600/104857600] |
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| 22:23.52 | somiaj | so now traceroute to the actual destination you are having trouble with? Have you tried to get something from another server? |
| 22:23.54 | ChibaPet | Do you control the remote server? |
| 22:24.11 | lovingyou | hmm works fine now |
| 22:24.14 | unkmar | ChibaPet: yes, I want to install via as fast as possible. It has a screen that is on the opposite side of a wall from the keyboard. I keep having to walk back and forth to select everything. |
| 22:24.19 | ChibaPet | somiaj: He's tried the transfer from another box in the rack and it worked, and I get the impression he's tranferring something from offsite. |
| 22:24.24 | unkmar | *via ssh |
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| 22:24.31 | lovingyou | wonder if sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 was the problem |
| 22:24.34 | somiaj | ChibaPet: well that was my suggestion, was try another offsite server next. (: |
| 22:24.52 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Ah, that's perfect then. Yeah, just start the install and when you get to the options selection screen, find the one that will let you continue over ssh. I forget the name, but I've used it a bunch recently and it's quite handy. |
| 22:24.55 | lovingyou | I mean, the fix :P |
| 22:25.29 | unkmar | ChibaPet: expert mode isn't loadin the CD parts because it ain't a CD. its USB. Grr... |
| 22:25.57 | ChibaPet | unkmar: I boot from USB netinstall all the time. You should have the same options available. |
| 22:26.55 | somiaj | unkmar: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole -- if you want a little more advanced option. The bottom has a preseed file that will activate the ssh installer for you with out having to select it (though it is only a few steps from the boot) |
| 22:27.10 | unkmar | too many questions before I csan use the thing. Wants root password, then Real name, then usernamem then.iasd;kgq e4po96 tuw=3[p0ntm2k=3bpobm, |
| 22:27.13 | unkmar | ] |
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| 22:27.59 | angs | I did cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Stockholm /etc/localtime to change the timezone, but cat /etc/localtime shows weird output http://paste.ubuntu.com/5717244/ , is it normal to have such output or did something go wrong on my timezone setting? |
| 22:28.04 | ChibaPet | unkmar: I'm pretty sure you get the selection screen well before setting up those items. |
| 22:28.19 | ChibaPet | angs: It's a binary file. Not human readable. |
| 22:28.33 | angs | ChibaPet, thank you |
| 22:28.35 | ChibaPet | angs: The useful thing to do is run cksum on it and compare that against the expected target. |
| 22:28.46 | ChibaPet | angs: Debian does that oddly. Most OSes use a symbolic link. |
| 22:29.50 | ChibaPet | angs: Also, you probably want to use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata rather than copying zone files. |
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| 22:30.35 | angs | ChibaPet: md5sums are the same. I did not know that file, thank you that I will google it |
| 22:30.51 | ChibaPet | angs: just try it at your root shell: "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
| 22:31.01 | ChibaPet | it'll lead you through safely |
| 22:31.23 | ChibaPet | "man dpkg-reconfigure" if you want to make sure that's a safe thing to run, of course |
| 22:31.47 | angs | thank you ChibaPet |
| 22:31.47 | somiaj | unkmar: http://blog.remoteresponder.net/2011/03/23/debian-squeeze-60-installation-over-ssh/http://blog.remoteresponder.net/2011/03/23/debian-squeeze-60-installation-over-ssh/ -- that gives you some screen shots of the steps you need to go though |
| 22:31.54 | shellox_ | ChibaPet: tried another card of these and it doesn't work as well :( |
| 22:32.08 | unkmar | I'd use a wireless kebyoard but the freaking area is overloaded with wireless interferancedld.f brain broke |
| 22:32.48 | ChibaPet | unkmar: did you download a business card image, or something really, really small? |
| 22:32.52 | unkmar | somiaj: that fails at loading data from CD |
| 22:33.14 | ChibaPet | unkmar: I download the still-relatively-small netinst image, and that has the options I'm talking about. |
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| 22:33.30 | ChibaPet | Oh! Did you download an actual USB stick image? |
| 22:33.31 | somiaj | unkmar: could your image be bad? have you checked it? When I went though it on a usb, it worked just fine |
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| 22:34.06 | ChibaPet | unkmar: I bet you got an actual USB image, which I've never quite grokked. Download a regular netinst ISO and you'll probably be in better shape. |
| 22:34.11 | unkmar | I installed from the USB monday. |
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| 22:34.34 | ChibaPet | unkmar: But if it doesn't have the remote/ssh option on it, you're still in your same unpleasant spot. |
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| 22:34.48 | ChibaPet | unkmar: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:34.50 | unkmar | Monday I didn't have this monitor on other side of wall problem. |
| 22:35.16 | ChibaPet | unkmar: That's under 200 megs - should be relatively quick to download and copy to your USB stick. |
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| 22:35.39 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Just dd it over, and you should be in remote-install-over-ssh heaven in no time. |
| 22:36.15 | unkmar | It's already too late. I have 20 minutes to do it ALL. Not enough time today. |
| 22:36.38 | ChibaPet | unkmar: I keep one of those handy because it also has a lovely little rescue environment on it, useful for cleaning up after hapless co-workers and saving one's self from experimenting with GRUB carelessly. |
| 22:37.00 | ChibaPet | unkmar: five minutes to download, five minutes to write and boot, install from home later |
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| 22:38.13 | unkmar | Failed to copy file from CD-ROM, Regtry Gahh. |
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| 22:38.43 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Snag that netinst, really. You'll be in business before the top of the hour. |
| 22:38.50 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Or are you trying to install Squeeze? |
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| 22:39.33 | ChibaPet | unkmar: If Squeeze, snag http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:39.36 | unkmar | I don't care which version. I've been doing squeeze because I previously couldn't find wheels.z.,y anywhere |
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| 22:40.18 | ChibaPet | I'd do Wheezy, but both offer the remote install option. |
| 22:41.32 | truexfan81 | i finally got around to doing a wheezy netinstall on my server machine, i chose expert install, that thing asks a lot of questions lol |
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| 22:41.49 | ChibaPet | truexfan81: You can oftentimes hit enter to take the defaults on most. |
| 22:42.24 | truexfan81 | yeah i'm taking my time and doing it right tho |
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| 22:42.32 | peterrooney | truexfan81: you may change the debconf priority if that bothers you |
| 22:42.48 | truexfan81 | like in tasksel for example, i made sure to uncheck the box for "debian desktop environment" |
| 22:43.05 | peterrooney | the hints concerning the debconf priority are rather informative. |
| 22:43.11 | ChibaPet | Would there be any substantive different between a normal install and an expert install that asks fewer questions? |
| 22:43.28 | truexfan81 | peterrooney: not bothering me, just found it different, my first time choosing the expert install option |
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| 22:43.52 | ChibaPet | peterrooney: Are you saying there's a way mid-install to bump verbosity? I'd love to be able to specify more during the install-grub step most of the time. |
| 22:43.57 | cusco | I only change the debconf priority after a few questions |
| 22:44.09 | cusco | so as truexfan81 pointed, I can unselect all from tasksel |
| 22:44.29 | truexfan81 | i just wanted to be sure it would run tasksel and give me the option to not install a DE |
| 22:44.43 | cusco | I untick all |
| 22:45.14 | truexfan81 | i ticked web server, file server, ssh server and whatever that last option was |
| 22:45.22 | ChibaPet | base system IIRC |
| 22:45.49 | cusco | I install whatever from cli |
| 22:45.49 | truexfan81 | i decided it would be nice if it installed samba for me |
| 22:46.05 | ChibaPet | truexfan81: I'd consider than an attack, personally, but whatever floats your boat. :P |
| 22:46.27 | truexfan81 | then i can just copy my smb.conf to it, and then copy most of my stuff to it via copy/paste from this machine |
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| 22:47.49 | truexfan81 | i like to share things like my www folder with samba, so then from here if i need to share a screenshot or something i can save it directly to the www folder |
| 22:48.36 | unkmar | still too many questions. but it is working. |
| 22:48.42 | truexfan81 | so anyway whenever the install finishes i will have 2 machines with wheezy on this machine with w7 lol |
| 22:48.54 | truexfan81 | s/on/and |
| 22:49.11 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Did you select the remote install option? It kicks in relatively quickly. |
| 22:49.36 | truexfan81 | brb gonna go check on it |
| 22:49.41 | unkmar | I can see you guys need me to spell out just how many times I have to cross that wall. |
| 22:50.04 | ChibaPet | unkmar: No, you just needed to burn an image with a remote installer once and then get to it. :P |
| 22:50.35 | truexfan81 | still configuring packages |
| 22:50.39 | ChibaPet | unkmar: I actually use x11vnc to handle a vaguely similar across-the-room issue. FWIW. |
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| 22:51.37 | truexfan81 | across the room ha |
| 22:51.45 | truexfan81 | mine is in the other room |
| 22:52.31 | ChibaPet | truexfan81: My normal working environment is a combination of a one hour drive away and a sixteen hour drive away. I'm big on usable remote services. |
| 22:52.32 | peterrooney | ChibaPet: I'm saying exactly that. |
| 22:52.37 | unkmar | across the country doesn't matter once you finally have remote access. |
| 22:53.00 | truexfan81 | ChibaPet: makes sense |
| 22:53.03 | ChibaPet | peterrooney: I'd love a hint. Every time I install I have to go in afterwards and remember to update grub to target both drives in software mirrors. |
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| 22:53.29 | peterrooney | ChibaPet: in the main menu, "Change debconf priority" |
| 22:53.38 | unkmar | network is failing. |
| 22:53.41 | ChibaPet | peterrooney: Thank you! Will do that on my next install. |
| 22:54.09 | truexfan81 | if i remember the menu correctly the next part of the install will be installing and configuring the boot loader |
| 22:54.11 | ChibaPet | unkmar: DHCP? Manual? Describe the fail? |
| 22:54.20 | truexfan81 | any reason to choose lilo over grub? |
| 22:54.31 | cusco | no |
| 22:54.43 | unkmar | DHCP fails. It complains about wanting firmware for the wifi, which I don't care about. |
| 22:54.56 | truexfan81 | ok grub it is then |
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| 22:55.49 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Not a wired connection? I think I've only tried an install over wireless once in the last several months, and I don't remember the details of setting it up.... |
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| 22:56.19 | unkmar | It has both. I'm using wired. which is why I don't care about the wifi. |
| 22:56.39 | truexfan81 | if installing over wifi, how does the installer respond to the connection dropping out |
| 22:56.45 | truexfan81 | ? |
| 22:56.55 | truexfan81 | just curious |
| 22:57.01 | ChibaPet | unkmar: So, it should try IPv6 and presumably fail that (or you cancel that) and then DHCP... How is it erroring out? Any particular message, or just timing out? |
| 22:57.11 | unkmar | but I didn't create the cables and I did wiggle them a little so... I may be having someone else is stupid problems. |
| 22:57.59 | ChibaPet | unkmar: You're hitting your time limit, so I won't recommend this for tonight, but if you can't verify your cables, it might be reasonable to attempt a wireless install even if you don't have firmware. Depending on the card, it might not be an issue. |
| 22:58.10 | unkmar | I'm not in the room fast enough to try and cancel teh IPv6 fail |
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| 22:58.46 | unkmar | wireless is impossible. wireless isn't stable. too much interfenrce here |
| 22:58.50 | ChibaPet | kk |
| 22:58.54 | ChibaPet | was just a thought |
| 22:58.58 | unkmar | and my typing is only getting worse. |
| 22:59.24 | ChibaPet | If it were me, I'd check link lights and maybe swap the cable if possible, but if going home and trying again tomorrow works, that might be your best bet. |
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| 22:59.37 | unkmar | If the problem is cables I'm going to have a talk with som... Yep , cable. |
| 22:59.43 | unkmar | damn inept idiots |
| 22:59.49 | ChibaPet | heh |
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| 22:59.54 | unkmar | and thanks for all your help. |
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| 23:00.10 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Oh, sure, happy to help. Debian has been really good to me, so I like to give some back when I can. |
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| 23:01.54 | unkmar | I've had mixed emotions with debian. Better than anything else I've used though. |
| 23:02.23 | truexfan81 | i've had issues with debian b4, those seem to have been fixed tho |
| 23:02.24 | ChibaPet | unkmar: If you stick with it, you'll grow to love the clean package handling. |
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| 23:03.15 | ChibaPet | unkmar: I dislike how Debian starts services before they can get a detailed config, and I find update-rc.d awkward to type, but that might be the bulk of my substantive complaints. :P |
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| 23:03.25 | unkmar | I've been using debian for years. and the reason for this reinstall is because of package handling. |
| 23:03.53 | ChibaPet | unkmar: what happened? |
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| 23:04.48 | unkmar | I finally got the packages in an... PXE boot tftpd, tftpd-hpa, di-netboot-assitant, A long list of trial and error. |
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| 23:05.08 | unkmar | I don't know how to properly clean my attempts to try things fresh. purge doesn't do it. |
| 23:05.14 | unkmar | so, its broken |
| 23:05.20 | ChibaPet | purge ought to |
| 23:05.27 | ChibaPet | aptitude purge or apt-get remove --purge |
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| 23:06.11 | ChibaPet | Been ages since I had to set up a netboot environment. I've never tried it with Debian, just BSDs, SunOS. |
| 23:06.37 | ChibaPet | Oh, and I netbooted a xyplex terminal server. Nasty thing. |
| 23:07.12 | unkmar | ChibaPet: it doesn't and it never has. It doesn't clear your attempted config file changes to the packages you installed. Leaves them dangling behind. Which means your next attempt to reinstall and configure is already tainted. |
| 23:07.50 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Oh, it ought to present a dialog asking if you want to blow away the config. I thought every package did that, on finding a changed config. |
| 23:08.10 | unkmar | ChibaPet: nope. I haven't seen one that does. |
| 23:08.23 | truexfan81 | what about dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:09.36 | unkmar | truexfan81: sure, gotta rememeber to try that on every borked package. |
| 23:10.02 | truexfan81 | how many borked packages you got? |
| 23:10.03 | unkmar | you would think purge would do that for you. I mean, its purge, not remove. not uninstall PURGE |
| 23:10.05 | petn-randall | unkmar: I'm pretty sure apt-get purge <package> will remove the config files, too. |
| 23:10.41 | unkmar | petn-randall: I know longer have a /srv/tftp folder and it doesn't create it. |
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| 23:11.00 | unkmar | I don't have /etc/default/tftp-whatever and it4 doesn't recreate it. |
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| 23:14.08 | unkmar | Just ran dpgk-reconfigure tftpd and still don't have /etc/default/tftp*anything |
| 23:14.39 | unkmar | don't have a tftpd of any form in /etc/init.d/ either. |
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| 23:15.05 | unkmar | My experience shows that broken stuff stays broken. |
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| 23:15.08 | ChibaPet | tftpd traditionally runs from inetd |
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| 23:15.57 | unkmar | if you don't know how to configure it the first time, then your just out of luck. Tinker long enough and you have useless system that needs reinstalled. |
| 23:16.10 | unkmar | I had the same experience in windows. :( |
| 23:17.35 | unkmar | truexfan81: in answer to you question. How many things you think I might have installed to get pxelinux stuff working the way I want it? |
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| 23:18.50 | Nirvash | I'm trying to backup 7 dir's for my server, but I'm having some difficulties. |
| 23:19.04 | unkmar | truexfan81: tftpd, tftpd-hpa, nfs-blah |
| 23:19.27 | Nirvash | I'm using rsync -av /dir1 /dir2 /dir7 /backups/ then tar czvf backups.tar.gz /backups |
| 23:19.31 | unkmar | I also installed di-netboot-assistant |
| 23:19.43 | Nirvash | Any reason why this file can't be sftp'd to a local win machine? |
| 23:19.53 | cli | hi everyone. doing df -h or trying to start a service like apache is not giving me any return, it stays on the execution stage... |
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| 23:20.02 | truexfan81 | lmao installer epic fail |
| 23:20.03 | cli | any ideea what might be wrong? |
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| 23:20.24 | cli | fdisk works and other commands.. |
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| 23:20.31 | truexfan81 | installer never asked me to setup a user or password, so now i have a fully installed debian system i cannot login to |
| 23:21.01 | phogg | truexfan81: there are always ways around that |
| 23:21.24 | phogg | truexfan81: boot from a liveCD, or even the install disc, mount root and edit /etc/passwd directly. Or, chroot and run passwd as root. |
| 23:21.54 | truexfan81 | phogg: it never asked me to setup a root account or password either |
| 23:22.08 | phogg | truexfan81: On that subject I cannot comment |
| 23:22.28 | truexfan81 | i'll do it again and this time won't choose expert install since that seems to be broken |
| 23:22.31 | phogg | worked for me, but I've not run the installer lately |
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| 23:23.52 | Zelda | Hi |
| 23:24.06 | Zelda | I'm trying to install ndiswrapper |
| 23:24.25 | Zelda | and I did, but wnen I do ndiswrapper -v, nothing comes up, saying it doesn't exist |
| 23:25.12 | Zelda | also, when i try to install with apt-get it says this aftwards |
| 23:25.12 | Zelda | Good news! Module version 1.57 for ndiswrapper.ko |
| 23:25.12 | Zelda | exactly matches what is already found in kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae. |
| 23:25.12 | Zelda | DKMS will not replace this module. |
| 23:25.12 | Zelda | You may override by specifying --force. |
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| 23:25.35 | Zelda | sorry about the flood |
| 23:25.37 | Zelda | any ideas? |
| 23:25.56 | truexfan81 | anyway i'll install again, i'm not mad or nothing, i actually find it quite funny |
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| 23:28.15 | Miesco_ | Hey How do I get steam on wheezy? |
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| 23:29.05 | Zelda | Install it from the site? |
| 23:29.10 | Zelda | and just meet dependancies |
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| 23:34.07 | truexfan81 | ok on the standard install user creation is one of the first steps |
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| 23:34.24 | Miesco_ | Zelda: The site gives me an Ubuntu .deb file |
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| 23:34.50 | truexfan81 | Miesco_: you sure its an ubuntu deb file and not a debian deb file? |
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| 23:36.55 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | truexfan81: steam was made for ubuntu, and requires ubuntu's version of glibc |
| 23:37.07 | truexfan81 | ah ok |
| 23:37.15 | truexfan81 | so it can't be used on debian then? |
| 23:37.38 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | it can, just that you have to force a few ubuntu packages to be installed, from what I've heard |
| 23:37.59 | nullrouted | it can be a pain |
| 23:38.05 | truexfan81 | sounds dangerous |
| 23:38.33 | truexfan81 | ubuntu packages are trouble on ubuntu, i can't imagine forcing them into debian omg |
| 23:38.59 | truexfan81 | i wiped out ubuntu to put debian on my server machine :) |
| 23:40.00 | supaplex | lxc install. *maybe*. |
| 23:40.01 | unkmar | I had also installed ltsp or whatever that is. |
| 23:41.00 | Miesco_ | Why dont they just give a steam.sh file or something |
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| 23:44.35 | Miesco_ | So you guys dont know how to install steam on debian safely? :( |
| 23:45.09 | unkmar | Miesco_: I don't do steam. I quit steam after playing portal. |
| 23:45.14 | supaplex | I haven't bothered. |
| 23:45.31 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | Miesco_: if you have an ubuntu partition somewhere, it can work via chroot |
| 23:45.32 | unkmar | It was windows only at the time so I went away. |
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| 23:46.33 | Miesco_ | Why they say "Linux" on the website, they should say Ubuntu. |
| 23:47.14 | truexfan81 | ^ |
| 23:47.24 | unkmar | Miesco_: because Ubuntun has succeeded in getting most people thinking that it is the only TRUE linux. |
| 23:49.51 | unkmar | I give up |
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