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| 00:08.34 | project2501a | are we supposed to believe this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/04/msg00006.html |
| 00:08.40 | project2501a | :D |
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| 00:12.32 | peterrooney | project2501a: seeing as McGovern is the assistant to the Debian Project Secretary, yes. |
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| 00:17.26 | JyZyXEL | i just noticed there is a character called "Andy's mom" in Toy Story, are we gonna ever have "Debian Andy's mom" :D |
| 00:17.45 | cusco | lool |
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| 00:31.49 | jmisse | PerfDave: are you still there by any chance? |
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| 00:33.41 | nipsy | jmisse: Did you need some help? |
| 00:33.49 | nipsy | jmisse: I read back through your conversation with PerfDave. |
| 00:33.58 | jmisse | nipsy: yes, thanks |
| 00:34.36 | jmisse | i managed to do the following: i rebooted the machine using something called "rescue-pro" |
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| 00:35.19 | jmisse | that would allow me to acces via ssh to the server |
| 00:35.31 | jmisse | in a special mode |
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| 00:35.55 | jmisse | (honestly im really not sure of what am i doing, but i was already sure i'd have to reinstall everything :P) |
| 00:35.59 | nipsy | So it's a rescue environment of some kind? |
| 00:36.07 | jmisse | yes |
| 00:36.12 | nipsy | Is it Linux at least? |
| 00:36.16 | jmisse | yes |
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| 00:36.30 | jmisse | i did the following |
| 00:36.35 | cusco | jmisse: that is ovh |
| 00:36.44 | jmisse | cusco: yes |
| 00:36.57 | cusco | 'rescue-pro' heh |
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| 00:37.21 | nipsy | I was confused because there actually is a commercial product named the same thing. |
| 00:37.21 | jmisse | mkdir /mnt/rescue, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/rescue, chroot /mnt/rescue, /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 00:37.35 | jmisse | and i didnt get any error by doing that |
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| 00:37.50 | cusco | jmisse: perhaps network issues |
| 00:38.01 | jmisse | which i think unfortunately doesnt bring me any light |
| 00:38.03 | cusco | what is in /mnt/rescue/etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 00:38.34 | cusco | I gotta go, its late for me.. good luck jmisse |
| 00:38.51 | jmisse | oh, thanks tho |
| 00:39.05 | nipsy | I would back up a bit from cusco's question to ask what was done previously to make them say that this was your fault? Had you been trying to configure something or install something new? |
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| 00:39.22 | jmisse | mnt is empty |
| 00:39.41 | jmisse | nipsy: yes, i was installing apache2 |
| 00:40.23 | nipsy | Okay, so you have the root file system mounted inside this rescue environment. What does "df -h" show? Is the disk full by any chance? |
| 00:40.56 | jmisse | but i failed to make it work, so i tried to start lighttpd (which i was using previously) back, and that's the last thing i regard doing |
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| 00:41.21 | nipsy | Okay. And then ssh mysteriously broke around the same time seemingly unrelated? |
| 00:41.34 | nipsy | And you didn't attempt to make any firewall changes or some such? |
| 00:41.43 | jmisse | http://pastebin.com/NMUQY6x4 |
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| 00:41.52 | jmisse | nipsy: no |
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| 00:42.05 | beepie | hi |
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| 00:42.16 | jmisse | i just played with lighttpd and httpd, httpd-vhosts configs |
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| 00:42.29 | nipsy | jmisse: Is that pastebin from when the machine was still running previously? |
| 00:42.41 | jmisse | no |
| 00:42.51 | nipsy | Right now inside the rescue environment? |
| 00:42.56 | jmisse | yes |
| 00:42.57 | beepie | anyone knows how I can use xpra/xephyr? (I'm trying to 'clone' on the same physical console) |
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| 00:43.37 | beepie | (Two Xnests mirrored) |
| 00:43.47 | Blue1 | how do I get gnome-fallback? This didn't help http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html since there is no system info |
| 00:43.51 | nipsy | jmisse: Okay, so it looks like however the rescue environment works, it lives on /dev/sda. So can you "cat /proc/partitions" to see if your actual OS partition shows up? |
| 00:44.13 | velladecin | #help |
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| 00:44.32 | jmisse | nipsy: /proc appears empty |
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| 00:44.59 | nipsy | That's odd. Can you mount it? "mkdir /proc; mount -t proc none /proc"? |
| 00:46.16 | jmisse | http://pastebin.com/Jmji3s7z |
| 00:46.39 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 00:46.55 | nipsy | jmisse: Is parted installed? "which parted" |
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| 00:47.14 | jmisse | returns nothing |
| 00:47.24 | nipsy | jmisse: How about fdisk? |
| 00:47.33 | optraz | how to upgrade from wheezy -> jessie? |
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| 00:47.48 | jmisse | yeah /sbin/fdisk |
| 00:47.58 | nipsy | jmisse: "fdisk -l /dev/sda" |
| 00:48.25 | Cyclohexane | how do i fix host key verification failed when using rsync/scp? |
| 00:48.35 | jmisse | http://pastebin.com/BCwMQnKB |
| 00:48.37 | nipsy | optraz: Wait until wheezy is released and then change everything in /etc/apt/sources.list to point to jessie or change it all now to testing and then continue on updating as usual. |
| 00:49.21 | optraz | nipsy: any official documentation that describe the process? |
| 00:49.34 | nipsy | jmisse: So we're going to assume that your OS is installed on /dev/sda2. You should be able to "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt" and then "ls /mnt" and see stuff. |
| 00:50.28 | jmisse | nipsy: yeah |
| 00:50.35 | nipsy | optraz: You'll have to search for it on the web if it exists. Despite popular opinion, I always track "testing" instead of the current testing name and so I'm always following testing regardless. jessie will be the new testing, so, voila. |
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| 00:50.54 | nipsy | jmisse: Okay, so now do your "df -h" again. |
| 00:51.21 | optraz | nipsy: i used to put testing in the sources.list but someone herein the channel mentioned to use the released name than the testing/sid/stable |
| 00:51.23 | jmisse | http://pastebin.com/C5QiS81Y |
| 00:51.42 | nipsy | optraz: Yeah, that's what people generally say. But it just seems easier to me to tracking testing all the time. |
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| 00:52.18 | optraz | any different between jessie/wheezy (name) vs testing ? |
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| 00:52.25 | optraz | difference as in the package |
| 00:52.33 | nipsy | jmisse: That's truly bizarre that /dev/sda2 shows up twice and is completely different obviously. |
| 00:52.34 | optraz | or they are just similar just naming difference? |
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| 00:53.01 | nipsy | optraz: No. testing is always pointed at whatever the testing release name is currently (as far as I'm aware). |
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| 00:53.44 | nipsy | jmisse: So anyway, you should be able to "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" now. |
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| 00:54.00 | nipsy | jmisse: Actually... |
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| 00:54.14 | optraz | nipsy so they are the same? i mean in a particular point of time, the naming point to testing... at that time, the packages are same |
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| 00:54.46 | nipsy | jmisse: To make it as functional as possible, you'll probably want to "mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" and then chroot. |
| 00:55.04 | nipsy | optraz: Yes, it's usually a symlink I think, so exactly the same stuff. |
| 00:55.11 | optraz | okay, thank you |
| 00:55.50 | jmisse | nipsy: /mnt/proc doesnt exist |
| 00:56.01 | beepie | nipsy, you're trying to repair grub? |
| 00:56.06 | nipsy | jmisse: You can "mkdir /mnt/proc" if you want. |
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| 00:56.43 | nipsy | beepie: Nah, something mysteriously happened and ssh wasn't working for whatever reason. Just trying to figure out what went wrong since nothing jmisse was doing should have caused any issues. |
| 00:57.38 | beepie | nipsy, were you using sudo ? |
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| 00:58.10 | beepie | whos haiving the problem? |
| 00:58.16 | nipsy | beepie: I wasn't doing anything. It's on jmisse's virtual server. |
| 00:58.59 | nipsy | jmisse: You inside the chroot yet? |
| 00:59.29 | jmisse | nipsy: hmm no |
| 00:59.40 | jmisse | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 00:59.43 | jmisse | but it exists |
| 00:59.53 | nipsy | Do "uname -a". |
| 01:00.04 | nipsy | Is it x86 or x86_64? |
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| 01:00.52 | izanagisan | I get expectable dependency problems |
| 01:01.04 | izanagisan | how do I download packages? with aptitude? |
| 01:01.19 | izanagisan | for instance: "Package libkrb53 is not installed" |
| 01:01.31 | jmisse | x86_64 |
| 01:01.50 | nipsy | jmisse: And what does "ls /mnt/boot/vml*" show? |
| 01:02.41 | jmisse | - /mnt/boot doesnt exist |
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| 01:02.57 | nipsy | jmisse: What shows up under "ls /mnt"? |
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| 01:03.32 | izanagisan | sorry: wrong window |
| 01:03.33 | nipsy | I thought we were dealing with a full OS installation there, but that might not be the case at all. |
| 01:03.38 | jmisse | "dev ftp lost+found misse proc sys torro" |
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| 01:04.03 | nipsy | Okay, weird... |
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| 01:05.08 | hermod | I am trying to set up ipv6, but I don't understand why I have (via ifconfig) aaaa::bbb:cccc:dddd:ffff/64 Scope:Link and what IP address I may use in /etc/network/interfaces. and what's the gateway? anyone could give me a hint? |
| 01:05.22 | nipsy | Well, between that looking like /home and the weird df output, I'm calling it quits at that point. Someone will probably need to look at this hands on to figure out what is going on. |
| 01:06.11 | Dagger2 | the scope:link address is a link-local. all interfaces automatically have a v6 link-local address |
| 01:06.24 | Dagger2 | (the scope:link means it's only valid on the link. it's not useful for reaching the internet) |
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| 01:07.08 | hermod | ohhh, i see. so I probably don't have an ipv6 address? |
| 01:07.59 | jmisse | nipsy: ok, thanks for the effort tho, i think i'd be better off reinstalling everything |
| 01:08.10 | nipsy | hermod: Doesn't sound like it. If you have a static address assigned to you, you can configure it in interfaces just like an IPv4 with the iface... address... netmask... gateway... |
| 01:08.42 | nipsy | jmisse: Yep, sorry I couldn't help anymore. Nothing you were doing with the web server packages should have stopped ssh from working though. So... |
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| 01:08.49 | hermod | ok thanks, i got to check in the hoster's webinterface if I find something |
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| 01:09.26 | nipsy | hermod: And it will say Scope:Global when it's really connected to the world. |
| 01:09.55 | nipsy | Or at least configured to do so. Might not actually be connected of course depending on your upstream provider. |
| 01:10.43 | hermod | thanks again! :) |
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| 01:22.32 | hermod | another question if you don't mind: is it better to use apache2-worker + cgi + php5 or just fall back to apache2-prefork with php5? |
| 01:22.53 | nipsy | hermod: Why not nginx + php-fpm? |
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| 01:23.19 | nipsy | hermod: I think that's quickly becoming the preferred choice. |
| 01:23.30 | hermod | never heard of it, let me google |
| 01:23.54 | rideh | need to install kernel headers on a 3.8.4-x86_64 - i'm not finding a package for it so i'm trying to figureo ut where to grab it and how to do from source |
| 01:24.02 | rideh | anyone have a guide they can point me to |
| 01:24.14 | nipsy | hermod: Decent Debian based instructions: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1025286 |
| 01:25.10 | themill | rideh: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 01:26.13 | nipsy | hermod: Keep in mind that if you have multiple users on different sites, the UNIX socket method for fastcgi_pass is more secure than the TCP socket. |
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| 01:26.33 | rideh | themill: have a vps on linode, threw debian 6 64bit on it fresh install, trying to install a dvr software that requires kernel headers. I'm assuming they have some video / driver related stuff they want to add even though i won't be using it. |
| 01:26.36 | hermod | i'm usually open to new stuff (just switched from mysql to mariadb), but i'm currently migrating my old root server to a new one. i'm trying to improve some things (like apache-worker instead of prefork), but switch the system completely is something for a rainy weekend. |
| 01:26.50 | hermod | nipsy: thanks for the tip though, i'll keep that in mind |
| 01:26.58 | hermod | tips* |
| 01:27.28 | nipsy | hermod: nginx is pretty well stomping Apache at this point for anything performance related. I made the switch from using Apache ITK to this earlier this year and haven't looked back. It's fantastic actually. |
| 01:28.22 | themill | rideh: what's the output of "uname -r" there? (also, why on earth does this thing you're compiling want kernel headers?) |
| 01:28.29 | rideh | themill: http://dpaste.com/1064190/ is my kernel flags from /proc/config.gz |
| 01:28.30 | nipsy | hermod: And it let me get my feet wet with the fastcgi stuff which I'd been avoiding like the plague generally. But once you wrap your hear around it, it's really a very clean solution since Apache prefork can't compare and will never scale to the same extent. |
| 01:28.32 | hermod | may be something for my productive root server, this one is just running some webinterfaces (webmail and stuff). :) |
| 01:28.49 | rideh | themill: 3.8.4-x86_64-linode31 |
| 01:28.55 | themill | rideh: that's not a debian kernel at all -- you'll have to prod linode for details |
| 01:29.05 | hermod | i mean in terms of performance |
| 01:29.08 | rideh | damn |
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| 01:30.09 | rideh | themill: they ahve stuff here http://www.linode.com/kernels/#138 but nothing on the headers though it does say "latest paravirt-ops Linux 3.0 kernel" |
| 01:30.29 | themill | I wonder if you're even running your own kernel there at all |
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| 01:31.06 | rideh | themill: can i just change my kernel to my own so i can compile against it? |
| 01:31.15 | nipsy | hermod: Rather limited comparison, but interesting: http://www.organic-development.com/blog/apache-vs-nginx-performance-comparison.html |
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| 01:31.49 | themill | rideh: you'd have to ask linode that... it varies from vps provider to vps provider. You should be able to tweak this thing you're compiling to not build kernel modules |
| 01:32.36 | rideh | ok i'll go back to them about it and see what i get. |
| 01:32.45 | rideh | http://dpaste.com/1064198/ was a suggestion from their irc |
| 01:32.45 | rideh | http://dpaste.com/1064198/ |
| 01:32.48 | rideh | oops |
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| 01:33.56 | themill | rideh: other ways of spelling "ancient" is "well tested" and "supported". |
| 01:34.29 | rideh | nod, just passing along what clues i'm finding |
| 01:35.05 | nipsy | Hahaha... Ancient. Yes, the about to be released stable kernel for Debian. Chumps. |
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| 01:35.41 | themill | rideh: also, I wouldn't expect simply cloning the sources like that to produce usable headers without running through some of the configure stages |
| 01:35.43 | nipsy | If you want to run bleeding edge, feel free. But make sure you have plenty of backups. |
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| 01:36.36 | rideh | yeah i'm going to grab an older distro to try, this isn'tw orking |
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| 01:37.51 | nipsy | Speaking of which, does anyone know which kernel they might target for jessie? |
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| 01:38.31 | dvs | nipsy: I don't think anyone can tell you that now. |
| 01:38.55 | nipsy | dvs: Didn't figure. Just curious if anyone might have read something. |
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| 01:39.15 | abrotman | nipsy: uh, wheezy hasn't released yet? |
| 01:39.19 | nipsy | I gave up and stopped compiling my own kernels back in the early 2000's. :) |
| 01:39.30 | nevyn | stopped then started again... |
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| 01:39.50 | nipsy | abrotman: Well sure, but it's about to be in a few weeks now. |
| 01:39.54 | nevyn | because I needed to apply actual patches... |
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| 01:40.03 | dvs | had to start compiling kernels due to the newish laptop |
| 01:40.10 | nipsy | nevyn: That sucks man. |
| 01:40.26 | nipsy | Ick. You poor people! :) |
| 01:40.42 | nipsy | Is "make menuconfig" a complete nightmare at this point? |
| 01:40.57 | nevyn | so it now takes longer to configure than to build. |
| 01:41.24 | nevyn | for a new laptop configuring is ~6-8hrs I think |
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| 01:41.35 | nevyn | course you try to do that only once. |
| 01:41.58 | nevyn | and you turn off all the crazy my laptop is never getting a scsi tape driver or fibrechannel adapter. |
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| 01:42.20 | hermod | nipsy: sorry for replying late, and thank you for the link |
| 01:42.33 | dvs | nevyn: or you could use localmodconfig |
| 01:43.06 | nevyn | dvs: I like to have all the pluggable stuff as modules. |
| 01:43.26 | nevyn | so even if I don't have hardware now rebuilding the kernel because I bought a joystick would suck |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | nipsy: right .. do you expect jessie to target a kernel not yet released? |
| 01:43.35 | nevyn | yes! |
| 01:43.35 | dvs | nevyn: That that's why you use "localmodconfig" and not "localyesconfig" |
| 01:44.05 | nipsy | abrotman: Well, I guess we'll see. What are we at right now, 3.8, 3.9? |
| 01:44.25 | nipsy | I don't even keep track of the newer kernel releases anymore. |
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| 01:44.49 | abrotman | nipsy: so why would you even care? |
| 01:44.56 | elvis4526 | Hi i have a problem with ssh and xorg fowarding |
| 01:45.01 | nevyn | I have hardware that sortof works with 2.6.32 but only works well with 3.2 or 3.6 |
| 01:45.06 | nipsy | abrotman: It was simply a question out of curiosity. |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | nipsy: no one knows |
| 01:45.21 | nipsy | abrotman: Yes, I think we established that. |
| 01:45.39 | dvs | nevyn: 3.6 is discontinued. 3.4 is the latest long-term kernel |
| 01:46.13 | nevyn | dvs: don't you mean 3.6? |
| 01:46.17 | nevyn | 2.6 rather? |
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| 01:46.31 | elvis4526 | There is no SSH guru here ? |
| 01:46.44 | themill | dpkg: tell elvis4526 about ask |
| 01:46.44 | nipsy | What is your question? |
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| 01:46.54 | dvs | nevyn: Nope, 3.4 |
| 01:47.13 | nevyn | dvs: bleh 3.6 is discontinued is what you said... |
| 01:47.35 | dvs | nevyn: and it is. |
| 01:47.35 | elvis4526 | themill: Yeah, but I already asked |
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| 01:48.24 | nipsy | elvis4526: You said you had a problem. What is it? |
| 01:48.25 | themill | elvis4526: umm... I'm yet to see a question from you. |
| 01:49.06 | elvis4526 | It's about X fowarding with ssh. X11Forwarding yes is in the computer that I want to ssh in |
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| 01:49.26 | elvis4526 | when I connect to it with ssh -X [host] |
| 01:49.45 | elvis4526 | and i do xinit, xorg get started on the computer that i'm sshing too |
| 01:49.47 | elvis4526 | to* |
| 01:50.05 | nipsy | elvis4526: You don't want to run xinit. |
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| 01:50.15 | nipsy | elvis4526: Are you trying to get a remote desktop? |
| 01:50.19 | elvis4526 | With startx I have the same problem |
| 01:50.21 | elvis4526 | nipsy: yes |
| 01:50.35 | elvis4526 | I'm just trying to start xorg, you know |
| 01:50.52 | nipsy | elvis4526: Well, no. That's the problem. Xorg is for the local machine. You're starting X on the remote machine. |
| 01:51.22 | nipsy | elvis4526: And you typically wouldn't start a full desktop environment via ssh X11 forwarding. |
| 01:51.42 | nipsy | elvis4526: Most people just start the applications they want directly at that point, running on the remote machine and displaying on your local machine. |
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| 01:52.21 | elvis4526 | nipsy: When i'm sshed into the machine, I just start for instance xterm & right in the tty, and it will work ? |
| 01:52.24 | elvis4526 | wait i'll try |
| 01:52.24 | nipsy | elvis4526: If you want a desktop environment, people typically will start them inside Xvnc or something similar and then connect with a client, possibly over an ssh forwarded X11 connection so that it's at least secure. |
| 01:52.44 | nipsy | elvis4526: It should if you have a local X server running on your client machine. |
| 01:53.05 | elvis4526 | nipsy: Well I tried to start xterm & |
| 01:53.13 | nipsy | elvis4526: You can always check "echo $DISPLAY" once you've logged in with "ssh -X" and if it returns something, and you have an X server running, then yes, an xterm should pop up from the remote machine. |
| 01:53.15 | elvis4526 | and it told me that DISPLAY is not set |
| 01:53.22 | elvis4526 | well yeah this is the problem |
| 01:53.34 | nipsy | elvis4526: Then it sounds like you don't have an X server locally. Which OS are you connecting from? |
| 01:53.44 | elvis4526 | debian |
| 01:53.47 | elvis4526 | well i have xorg |
| 01:53.51 | elvis4526 | i'm currently logged in e17 |
| 01:53.53 | elvis4526 | So... |
| 01:54.00 | elvis4526 | on the local computer |
| 01:54.14 | elvis4526 | on the remote computer I have xorg too |
| 01:54.25 | nipsy | elvis4526: You only need the local one on your client machine. |
| 01:54.52 | nipsy | elvis4526: So you're in a terminal window, running under enlightenment, on a Debian machine locally, correct? |
| 01:54.58 | elvis4526 | Yes |
| 01:55.04 | elvis4526 | But |
| 01:55.09 | elvis4526 | I'm sshing through a tty |
| 01:55.12 | elvis4526 | not in xorg |
| 01:55.15 | elvis4526 | idk if it change something |
| 01:55.32 | nipsy | elvis4526: Most certainly. You need to do all of this from inside enlightenment. |
| 01:55.38 | nipsy | elvis4526: It won't work from a tty. |
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| 01:55.46 | elvis4526 | yeah it make sense finally |
| 01:55.49 | elvis4526 | but at the beginning |
| 01:56.00 | elvis4526 | I wanted to forward all the desktop environnement |
| 01:56.10 | rideh | how do i view what these are and remove them? 2 not fully installed or removed. |
| 01:56.33 | nipsy | elvis4526: Well, that's a bit trickier. You can do things like that, making your local machine essentially a thin client. But it's quite a bit more complex. |
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| 01:57.46 | elvis4526 | It is not easy as starting X when sshing lol |
| 01:58.01 | nipsy | elvis4526: Like I said, most people doing something like what you're attempting would use a remote desktop protocol of some kind (like VNC) and then fire up your local desktop and connect remotely and then connect to the remote desktop which will ultimately pop up in a smaller window on your local desktop, if that makes any sense. |
| 01:58.07 | nipsy | elvis4526: Not at all. |
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| 01:58.48 | nipsy | elvis4526: X itself is always going to be running on your local machine and the clients (like your window manager, enlightenment, or a web browser like firefox/iceweasel) all connect to that local X server. |
| 01:59.02 | elvis4526 | Okay, I understand |
| 01:59.12 | nipsy | elvis4526: Or you put a middle man in place like Xnvc. |
| 01:59.15 | nipsy | Xvnc rather. |
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| 02:00.54 | nipsy | elvis4526: That all becomes especially cool when you ssh -X from a Linux desktop into a Solaris server for instance and then fire up a graphical application that is physically using the resources of the Solaris server but rendering the display on your local machine. That's why X is still awesome. :) |
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| 02:01.14 | elvis4526 | Yes it's cool |
| 02:01.33 | elvis4526 | Okay |
| 02:01.36 | elvis4526 | know when i'm in XOrg |
| 02:01.48 | elvis4526 | it tell me X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentification |
| 02:01.54 | elvis4526 | I can't launch xterm |
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| 02:02.00 | nipsy | elvis4526: Make sure the xauth package is installed on the remote machine. |
| 02:02.08 | elvis4526 | it is |
| 02:02.14 | elvis4526 | I can launch the xauth binary |
| 02:02.19 | elvis4526 | when shhed |
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| 02:02.48 | nipsy | elvis4526: And "X11Forward yes" is in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? Not ssh_config, but sshd_config. |
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| 02:03.12 | elvis4526 | i just checked and yes it is |
| 02:03.23 | elvis4526 | X11uselocalhost yes is there too |
| 02:03.34 | themill | "X11Forwarding" |
| 02:03.50 | nipsy | elvis4526: When you ssh -X, you should see something like "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding." before your shell is invoked. |
| 02:04.00 | nipsy | themill, elvis4526 Sorry, yes, X11Forwarding. |
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| 02:04.13 | elvis4526 | yes exactly |
| 02:04.17 | elvis4526 | i have the exact message |
| 02:04.24 | nipsy | Okay, what does "echo $DISPLAY" give you at that point? |
| 02:04.25 | elvis4526 | and yeah i know X11Fowarding |
| 02:04.37 | elvis4526 | hostname:10.0 |
| 02:04.42 | nipsy | That all looks correct. |
| 02:04.48 | nipsy | Try "ssh -Y" instead of -X. |
| 02:04.55 | elvis4526 | I have both |
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| 02:04.58 | elvis4526 | -X and -Y |
| 02:05.57 | nipsy | Hmm, that really ought to work then. |
| 02:06.37 | elvis4526 | yeah |
| 02:06.51 | elvis4526 | there is no log i could check ?? |
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| 02:07.54 | nipsy | Well, anything pertinent should be on the terminal itself, which in this case is the "X11 connection rejected...". |
| 02:08.27 | elvis4526 | yeah. Is X11UseLocalHost no pertinent ? |
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| 02:09.16 | nipsy | I've never set it differently from the default of yes. |
| 02:09.29 | elvis4526 | well this is the problem |
| 02:09.33 | elvis4526 | i just changed it to Yes |
| 02:09.38 | elvis4526 | and it work... :/ |
| 02:09.40 | nipsy | Does 'ls -l ~/.Xauthority' look okay on the server? |
| 02:09.47 | nipsy | Okay, cool. |
| 02:09.49 | nipsy | :) |
| 02:10.28 | elvis4526 | so all my pc is doing, is just displaying the application |
| 02:10.32 | themill | the default is "yes" |
| 02:10.39 | elvis4526 | all the cpu usage of the application |
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| 02:10.44 | elvis4526 | is on the remote computer |
| 02:10.45 | elvis4526 | ? |
| 02:10.53 | nipsy | elvis4526: I don't think the default Debian sshd_config even has that parameter, commented or not. |
| 02:10.57 | nipsy | Yes. |
| 02:11.07 | nipsy | So matlab it up or whatever. :) |
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| 02:11.25 | tintin | Hi, when will we get debian wheeze as stable version? |
| 02:11.32 | elvis4526 | nipsy: Yeah okay chill |
| 02:11.36 | themill | dpkg: tell tintin about wwwr |
| 02:11.38 | elvis4526 | Thanks for the help bro |
| 02:11.41 | Vicissitude | tintin, look at the topic line |
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| 02:12.49 | nipsy | elvis4526: Keep in mind that if you're planning on running something long term (overnight, days on end, etc.) that this is when you'd want to look at using something like Xvnc so you can kill your local machine and have your application continue running. |
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| 02:13.17 | nipsy | Or xpra, although it's a bit buggy at times. |
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| 02:13.47 | tintin | themill: I can't browse that page, restriction |
| 02:13.55 | vrlogrs | hey guys .. |
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| 02:14.13 | themill | tintin: well, what dpkg told you answers your question anyway |
| 02:14.17 | vrlogrs | can someone please point me to a webpage that shows how i can get nginx 1.3 on debian 6 squeeze? |
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| 02:15.01 | themill | vrlogrs: nginx 1.3 is nowhere in deian |
| 02:15.19 | tintin | dpkg wheezy |
| 02:15.20 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on Jun 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze> and <install wheezy>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 02:15.32 | vrlogrs | themill: what do u mean? |
| 02:15.52 | Vicissitude | vrlogrs, http://wiki.nginx.org/Install scroll down to the debian instructions |
| 02:16.05 | tintin | is openoffice available in wheezy ? or is it libraoffice now? |
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| 02:16.43 | abrotman | tintin: libreoffice is in wheezy, and in squeeze if you use backports.debian.org |
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| 02:17.09 | vrlogrs | Vicissitude: problem is, i want the unstable version |
| 02:17.21 | themill | (and the squeeze version of "openoffice" is effectively libreoffice anyway) |
| 02:17.26 | vrlogrs | when i do apt-get install nginx, it installs the latest stable version |
| 02:17.37 | themill | vrlogrs: yes, that's what I said. |
| 02:17.48 | tintin | but is openoffice available in debian squeeze or wheezy? |
| 02:18.05 | themill | tintin: no. openoffice is effectively a dead project by the looks of things |
| 02:18.14 | tintin | and is that bad Gnome Shell availabe in wheezy like in Ubuntu? |
| 02:18.15 | Vicissitude | vrlogrs, it says on the page that to get the latest, either build from source or get from their page |
| 02:18.17 | nipsy | vrlogrs: You might still be able to use the nginx Debian repo under unstable. Have you tried it? |
| 02:18.31 | tintin | I don't like Gnome Shell like Ubuntu |
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| 02:18.48 | abrotman | tintin: openoffice exists, but the developement seems to have slowed to a glacial pace |
| 02:19.06 | vrlogrs | :( |
| 02:19.15 | tintin | abrotman: why does openoffice exist, it seems, it is not open source anymore |
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| 02:19.23 | nipsy | vrlogrs: Or since they provide the deb-src packages as well, you could get the Debianized package and try to build it on unstable. |
| 02:19.31 | vrlogrs | i was hoping somebody came up with a tutorial for this |
| 02:21.03 | nipsy | Ah, I see, 1.2.8 is the latest they provide via the repo. Yeah, source is your best bet at this point. |
| 02:22.35 | nipsy | vrlogrs: The Ubuntu PPA has 1.3 in it. |
| 02:22.47 | themill | vrlogrs: I have to say -- if you can't work out how to compile this yourself, why do you want to run the development snapshot? What do you hope to gain from this and how useful will your bug reports and patches be to the developers? |
| 02:23.03 | themill | nipsy, vrlogrs: do not use ubuntu packages on debian. |
| 02:23.10 | Armand | ^ |
| 02:23.11 | vrlogrs | ive been using the stable nginx on debian for a long time now .. |
| 02:23.26 | nipsy | themill: He doesn't have to use the package. He can grab the source files and dpkg-buildpackage it. |
| 02:23.27 | Armand | vrlogrs, because it's stable?? *herp* |
| 02:23.27 | vrlogrs | i just want 1.3.15 so i can have the support for proxying websockets |
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| 02:24.23 | nipsy | Well, the PPA is out then too, because they're only up to 1.3.12. |
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| 02:24.58 | themill | nipsy: that's fine -- but just saying "the ppa has it" tends to have people trying to add the ppa to their sources.list and try using the .debs. Tears ensue. |
| 02:25.10 | vrlogrs | when i do apt-get install nginx -- it puts all the files in different locations than when i compile it and build it myself |
| 02:25.20 | jarray52 | How do I go about installing Debian testing now so that I don't need to reinstall on the 4th/5th when Debian stable is released? |
| 02:25.24 | nipsy | themill: Oh, understood. |
| 02:26.07 | nipsy | vrlogrs: Correct. The safest thing to do if you're building source locally is to install to /usr/local, which is usually the default location for a lot of stuff. |
| 02:26.59 | nipsy | jarray52: Unless someone says otherwise, install testing now and then change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to stable when it officially releases. |
| 02:27.14 | vrlogrs | alright .. ill just try my luck with this again .. |
| 02:27.17 | vrlogrs | thanks for the help |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | jarray52: do not do what nipsy said |
| 02:28.00 | tensorpudding | how do i refer to files on gvfs-mounted smb shares on the command-line in debian? |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | jarray52: point your sources.list at wheezy now, when wheezy releases, nothing will realistically change for you |
| 02:28.17 | tensorpudding | i know that in ubuntu there were things under ~/.gvfs for that |
| 02:28.23 | peterrooney | nipsy: that's a very bad thing to advise. |
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| 02:28.36 | abrotman | bad? just flat out dumb |
| 02:28.45 | nipsy | Wait, how is that different? |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | nipsy: if you don't know, don't talk |
| 02:28.56 | themill | tensorpudding: depends on the version of gnome -- I believe wheezy is doing the same thing at least |
| 02:29.00 | themill | dpkg: tell nipsy about stable sources.list |
| 02:29.10 | tensorpudding | so i thought, but i'm on wheezy and i don't see them there |
| 02:29.20 | tensorpudding | it should be the same version of gnome, roughly |
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| 02:30.28 | tensorpudding | nothing gvfs-related appears in mount either |
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| 02:31.09 | nipsy | themill: Well, okay then. Good to know. |
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| 02:32.05 | jarray52 | abrotman: Sadly, I don't see much difference between what you said and what nipsy said. Isn't testing now what will become stable? |
| 02:32.56 | nipsy | jarray52: The point is that when the next stable is tagged, your system might completely break the next time you update packages. |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | jarray52: wheezy will change from testing to stable .. |
| 02:33.16 | themill | jarray52: you should use a codename "wheezy" not a release state ("stable") in your sources.list. Changing your sources.list from "wheezy" to "stable" is a useless change to start with and then when the next release comes out will leave you with a mess. |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | jarray52: so if you point your sources at testing, that could change after wheezy's release, thus involving breakage |
| 02:34.08 | tensorpudding | oh, maybe i need gvfs-fuse |
| 02:34.26 | nipsy | So if following testing full time not recommended either? |
| 02:34.30 | nipsy | s/if/is |
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| 02:34.37 | abrotman | nipsy: that depends on the user .. for a newb, no |
| 02:34.45 | themill | nipsy: straight after release, testing tends to be a bit of a mess |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | generally for a few months anyway |
| 02:35.22 | nipsy | Fair enough. I've never run into issues anytime recently. Maybe back in the devfs transition days, but nothing recently. |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | recently in the lsat year? |
| 02:35.56 | nipsy | Since the early to mid 2000's. |
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| 02:36.32 | abrotman | sounds like you update rarely and have been extremely lucky |
| 02:36.51 | tintin | I don't like gnome 3 shell / unity |
| 02:37.00 | tintin | why is it included in debian wheezy ? |
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| 02:37.26 | abrotman | tintin: you can use something else |
| 02:37.29 | nipsy | abrotman: On the contrary. I update once a week or so. But maybe not consistently around releases, so I've been lucky. |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | some people like it .. |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | nipsy: once a week is "rarely" in my book |
| 02:37.49 | Armand | lol |
| 02:37.51 | nipsy | abrotman: lol Okay. |
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| 02:37.57 | themill | tintin: unity is nowhere in debian |
| 02:37.57 | tintin | abrotman: How can i remove it from debian wheezy? |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | tintin: just remove it |
| 02:38.12 | tintin | themill: what do you mean? |
| 02:38.24 | tintin | abrotman: apt-get remove unity ? is it? |
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| 02:38.31 | abrotman | tintin: good luck |
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| 02:38.40 | abrotman | nipsy: last i looked, dak updates 4 times per day |
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| 02:38.43 | qiyong | what's the default filesystem? |
| 02:38.49 | tintin | abrotman: then how can i get the default old gnome look there in wheezy? |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | in what |
| 02:38.57 | abrotman | tintin: you want gnome2? you can't |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | tintin: try lxde or xfce for a windows-style interface |
| 02:39.19 | tintin | abrotman: then if i remove gnome 3 shell or unity then what would happen? |
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| 02:39.33 | abrotman | tintin: that depends on what else you have installed .. i can't answer that without more information |
| 02:39.42 | tintin | ok |
| 02:39.47 | abrotman | waits for tintin to realize there's no Unity in Debian |
| 02:39.57 | Omen | I come from using redhat based systems so I don't have much exposure to debian. I have a debian system I am looking for packages on and I was wondering if there is anything equivalent or similar to the 'yum provides' command on Debian and/or aptitude |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | !tell Omen about apt-file |
| 02:40.32 | Omen | thank you. |
| 02:40.33 | qiyong | what's the default filesystem? |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 02:41.20 | nipsy | abrotman: dak is cute. Nice to see an actual tool for that nowadays. |
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| 02:42.06 | abrotman | nipsy: it's only been around for 10+ years .. |
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| 02:42.22 | abrotman | thinks ... it's been a long time since "the girls" came to be |
| 02:42.35 | nipsy | abrotman: News to me. When I was running our mirror at my former uni everybody still used rsync. |
| 02:42.48 | abrotman | nipsy: different problem .. read again |
| 02:43.08 | themill | nipsy: umm... rsync and dak are doing different things (and you shouldn't just use rsync for mirrors either) |
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| 02:44.27 | nipsy | Well, like I said, back around 1998, rsync is what was being used. I'm sure the tools have improved since. |
| 02:44.32 | kopilo | hey, currently attempting to configure a samba share, say I want to share the folder /foo so that anyone can read/write/make their own folders, however I want the existing /foo/bar to be locked to a specific user? |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | nipsy: no, wrong |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | again |
| 02:44.51 | nipsy | abrotman: Sorry if you don't believe me. |
| 02:44.51 | kopilo | how should I go about that* |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | nipsy: yes, you're wrong |
| 02:46.23 | adh0c | Can anyone point out why my sed expression is returning this error? pastebin.com/fdhwmBam |
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| 02:47.18 | themill | adh0c: s//files/audio/// ← wrong number of / in that s/match/replace/ |
| 02:47.58 | adh0c | I've tried it as "sed -e 's//files/audio//' " to no avail. |
| 02:48.00 | nipsy | adh0c: Did you mean to escape some of those /'s on your first sed? |
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| 02:48.52 | nipsy | adh0c: So like 's/\/files\/audio\//\/' ? |
| 02:48.54 | themill | adh0c: if you want to use / inside your replacement rule, you should use a different delimiter such as , or # -- so s,/files,/audio, |
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| 02:50.48 | adh0c | nipsy: that returns "sed: -e expression #1, char 21: unterminated `s' command" |
| 02:51.08 | nipsy | adh0c: themill Has a cleaner version. |
| 02:51.32 | themill | avoiding LTS is always worthwhile |
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| 02:52.17 | themill | (Leaning Toothpick Syndrome, for those perl-neophytes out there) |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | Linux Terminal Server? |
| 02:52.45 | adh0c | Still not working - really suck with sed. >_< |
| 02:52.58 | themill | abrotman: predates that |
| 02:53.02 | abrotman | kidding |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | LTSP is not LTS |
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| 02:58.18 | mefistofeles | hey, any idea why KDE (on debian squeeze) is not mounting USB drives? I can mount them just fine using "mount" command. |
| 02:58.24 | mefistofeles | ideas* |
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| 02:59.10 | citanul | I'm running Debian testing on a PowerMac G4 and I keep getting kernel messages about the CPU and case temperature, even though it's not that high (56C) |
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| 03:00.21 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | what are the messages |
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| 03:03.12 | Jzarecta | where can I get Debian for I-a64, I got the URL of the port but cant find the download link |
| 03:03.20 | Jzarecta | http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
| 03:03.23 | citanul | [ 337.251667] CPU-temp: 58.3C, Case: 38.3C, Fan: 4 (tuned +1) |
| 03:03.28 | Jzarecta | anyone? |
| 03:03.28 | themill | Jzarecta: are you really sure you want i64? |
| 03:03.34 | dvs | Jzarecta: you have an Itanium? |
| 03:03.39 | Jzarecta | dvs: yes |
| 03:03.44 | Jzarecta | Xeon 64 |
| 03:03.54 | Jzarecta | I cant find the download link |
| 03:03.56 | dvs | pal |
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| 03:04.35 | citanul | Jzarecta: So NOT x86_64? ie it can't run x86 code? |
| 03:04.47 | Jzarecta | got it.. |
| 03:04.58 | Jzarecta | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/ia64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:05.13 | themill | Jzarecta: are you really sure you don't want amd64 for that chip? |
| 03:05.26 | nipsy | I don't think Intel makes anything Itanium with Xeon in the name. |
| 03:05.58 | Jzarecta | thanks for the help |
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| 03:06.42 | dvs | he'll be back |
| 03:07.01 | themill | I've always thought we should have a boot-failure message on the ia64 CDs that says "You wanted amd64 you twat" |
| 03:07.27 | nipsy | Maybe someting a bit more polite? :) |
| 03:07.38 | themill | that *is* the polite version. |
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| 03:27.41 | truexfan81 | hopes that will make the random quote list |
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| 03:34.15 | kopilo | truefan81 submit it to bash.org |
| 03:34.25 | kopilo | truexfan81 submit it to bash.org |
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| 03:35.08 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | qdb.us is faster I think |
| 03:35.09 | Towzzer | I'm on that site :D |
| 03:35.10 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | or more active |
| 03:35.21 | Towzzer | http://bash.org/?631879 |
| 03:35.22 | Towzzer | see :D |
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| 03:36.20 | kopilo | :D |
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| 03:46.46 | claw_ | anybody knows how to disable rewrite of the senderadress in postfix? |
| 03:47.03 | benje | hi how can i tell to install command to install all file from a directory ? does the * is working ? |
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| 03:47.14 | claw_ | i am able to change the sender address to what i ever want in the email client |
| 03:47.48 | claw_ | benje, you mean apt-get install ? * works |
| 03:47.55 | claw_ | e.g. dovecot* |
| 03:48.14 | benje | no claw install command install -d install -p etc |
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| 03:50.18 | Rusty1 | claw_: there is #postfix ? |
| 03:50.36 | claw_ | Rusty1, already there ... no response :( |
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| 04:33.26 | aceofspades19 | Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to install debian-kfreebsd and grub refuses to install, it keeps asking me to retry or change mirror and it won't accept any of the mirrors |
| 04:33.51 | aceofspades19 | and googling doesn't seem to turn up anything useful |
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| 04:37.20 | Omen | Is there a way I can ask dpkg questions in private? I am unsure of the format if that were possible. |
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| 04:37.56 | zykotick9 | !tell Omen about msgthebot |
| 04:38.23 | Omen | hmm.. |
| 04:38.24 | peterrooney | Omen: /msg dpkg somethingorother # my favourite: listkeys <pattern> |
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| 04:38.50 | Omen | Ok. thanks |
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| 04:51.58 | Nirvash | http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/6254/web <-- Live MIT, police in combat. |
| 04:53.57 | Omen | is quite unfortunate ship like this keeps happening. |
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| 04:55.27 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 04:56.25 | zykotick9 | ShapeShifter499: clonezilla / encryption question? if you use ubuntu, please keep it in #ubuntu. |
| 04:56.41 | ShapeShifter499 | zykotick9, o.o |
| 04:57.14 | themill | Nirvash: wrong channel |
| 04:57.38 | ShapeShifter499 | no I was wondering on a debian install I remember the last I did one there was no default window-manager installed, is this still true? |
| 04:57.38 | Nirvash | Lol, spammed everything >_< Most interesting thing of the year |
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| 04:58.35 | ShapeShifter499 | zykotick9, I was planning on preforming a POWERPC install of debian and just wanted to know |
| 04:59.06 | zykotick9 | ShapeShifter499: if you use netinst, and don't select anything, basically nothing is "default". |
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| 04:59.20 | themill | ShapeShifter499: there's a window manager installed if you select the "desktop" task at the tasksel stage (gdm3 with gnome) |
| 04:59.23 | peterrooney | ShapeShifter499: there is very little installed with a default debian install. Also, /join #debianppc |
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| 05:00.29 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm |
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| 05:01.52 | ShapeShifter499 | I'd have to get the full install disk then, the same system on ubuntu did not detect my wifi during install and I had no wired connections |
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| 05:03.47 | themill | ShapeShifter499: the installer is identical on each image; the only difference is when you download the packages -- either beforehand or during the install |
| 05:04.20 | themill | if you need a wifi connection for the installation then one of the firmware images may be handy; /msg dpkg firmware images |
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| 05:33.50 | sarak | I want to encrypt the /home and /var of a machine I don't have physical access to. I was thinking off adding a dm-crypt/LUKS partition containing an LVM (which contains the partitions). I'd add the /home and /var LVM partitions to /etc/fstab with the 'noauto' option and `su` into root and `cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/blah vg && mount /{var,home}` after booting. Can you think of a better solution? |
| 05:34.40 | sarak | (Or any reason why my one is not a good idea.) |
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| 05:55.17 | cuken | Hello all, I'm having a problem with vsftpd, internally on an ftp conection I'm able to see the directories that I specify, if I access it from an external address, I have to force it to use active mode, and it shows no directories |
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| 06:12.58 | Kharn | Hey ppl. so a dev question: I'm running 6.0.6 with a 3.8.6 kernel. I'd like to use F_SETPIPE_SZ to get a bigger pipe for splicing, but I can't include both <fcntl.h> and <linux/fcntl.h> due to redefines. |
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| 06:23.11 | shellox_ | hey |
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| 06:24.26 | shellox_ | why is the destination file(.zip file) bigger than the source file, when I backup with: rsync -ahv -e ssh --numeric-ids |
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| 06:27.08 | ChrisH | sparse file? |
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| 06:31.26 | rryoumaa | run-length encoding would fix that |
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| 06:33.16 | Blue1 | how do I access screensaver settings in wheezy? |
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| 06:35.28 | ChrisH | Blue1: Ain't screen saver settings part of the desktop env used? Independed of Stable,testing or unstable. |
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| 06:36.49 | shellox_ | whats the best way ti backup a directory 1:1 with rsync? |
| 06:36.55 | Blue1 | ChrisH: this is gnome 3 -- I can't find screensaver, or as importantly display management power options like I can in squeeze - |
| 06:37.18 | shellox_ | i tried rsync -avhr -e ssh . user@server:destination |
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| 06:37.34 | shellox_ | but the backed up zip file is bigger than the source |
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| 06:38.06 | Blue1 | shellox_: this may help: http://pkill-9.com/simple-rsync-backuprestore-bash-scripts-for-ubuntudebian/ |
| 06:38.29 | ChrisH | shellox_: a) did you check the content of the zip, its integrity? 2. I use rsync -a[v] most times. |
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| 06:42.53 | shellox_ | ChrisH: thanks for the zip |
| 06:43.05 | shellox_ | seems just to be one zip file where that happens |
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| 06:43.31 | peterrooney | I got tired of looking up rsync options all the time, so I put them in a makefile. |
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| 06:44.04 | ChrisH | Blue1: shellox_ Size can change for some reasons like beeing a sparse file, but thats is a bit unlikely unless its a "bad" or Handcrafted zip file. |
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| 06:46.04 | ChrisH | Blue1: an older post but from a quick look inside, it reads strange http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/10/has-gnome-3-decided-that-people-shouldnt-want-screen-savers/ |
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| 07:03.34 | Jckf | Several processes have starting causing high CPU load on my wheezy/testing box. I have no idea what's causing it. How can I start to debug the problem? |
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| 07:04.35 | ChrisH | Jckf: is the high CPU usage the problem or the fact these processes are started? |
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| 07:05.03 | Jckf | The load is the problem. The processes have always been running, but not like this |
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| 07:05.46 | Jckf | Varnish, Nginx, MySQLd, Quassel Core, and Postgres, are examples of wild processes |
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| 07:06.05 | Jckf | If I stop Varnish, all request to Nginx should stop, but the load does not |
| 07:06.13 | Jckf | Same with MySQLd |
| 07:07.53 | Jckf | You can see when it started here: http://wolfram.jckf.no/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/load.html |
| 07:08.01 | Jckf | At the start of week 15 |
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| 07:12.44 | Jckf | This graph http://wolfram.jckf.no/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html says the time is spent by the kernel |
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| 07:17.56 | jarray52 | Should encrypted LVM partitions be used for production machines? Or, does it not matter? I'm not that concerned about the machine itself being stolen. |
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| 07:22.35 | histo | jarray52: then why encrypt? |
| 07:23.15 | jarray52 | histo: I was wondering whether encryption provided protection for anything other than physical theft of the machine. |
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| 07:23.43 | jarray52 | or theft of the harddrive |
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| 07:24.12 | histo | jarray52: not that I can think of. |
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| 07:30.47 | jarray52 | Is putting everything in one partition a bad idea for a production machine? It's a convenient thing to do. |
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| 07:31.12 | ChrisH | Jckf: time spend in kernel can point to Disk HW issues or low memory situations. I would run atop as root for some minutes and look for colored lines, maybe this gives you an idea where to continue. |
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| 07:31.25 | peterrooney | jarray52: yep. /var at least. |
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| 07:32.02 | jarray52 | peterrooney: You're suggesting at least putting /var in its own partition? |
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| 07:32.49 | ChrisH | jarray52: encryption allows you to send the disk back to the vendor in case its broken without any problems on data security. This also depends on your personal and local legal environment. |
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| 07:33.26 | Jckf | ChrisH: Thank you. I've been looking at my software RAID, but not found any problems. I'll give atop a try |
| 07:33.38 | jarray52 | ChrisH: clever. That's something I didn't think of. |
| 07:33.59 | ChrisH | jarray52: I normally setup LVM with swap, /boot / /var /home /data-or-simialr /usr and keep disk space unused to expand where it is needed. |
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| 07:35.45 | jarray52 | ChrisH: What do you gain by keeping the partitions separate? |
| 07:35.53 | Jckf | ChrisH: Hum. The three "CPU" lines at the top of atop turn red |
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| 07:36.45 | jarray52 | ChrisH: It seems like a hastle to expand a partition whenever you need more space. This also requires knowing how much space you're likely to need on each partition. |
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| 07:37.38 | Jckf | Line #3 (lowercase "cpu") is red here http://pastie.org/pastes/7658060/text?key=xjnuwdwo045qgyzm8l7w |
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| 07:38.11 | ChrisH | jarray52: flexibility and separation. Expanding a logical volume is done in less then 5min: lvextend -L +5G /dev/vgXX/lvolYY ; resize2fs /dev/vgXX/lvolYY and there you are. LVM not this last century partion stuff |
| 07:39.28 | jarray52 | ChrisH: I see. Thanks for the advise. |
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| 07:42.38 | ChrisH | Jckf: what about the MEM line? colored too? |
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| 07:44.02 | Jckf | ChrisH: Nope. Only CPU, and the two lowercase cpu |
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| 07:45.02 | ChrisH | Jckf: and the IRQ load seems high to me. compare output from /proc/interrupts for now and a few minutes later. |
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| 07:52.18 | Jckf | ChrisH: Output from smartctl http://wolfram.jckf.no/sda.txt and http://wolfram.jckf.no/sdb.txt |
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| 08:03.26 | Jckf | ChrisH: Look about the same to me http://pastie.org/7658597 |
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| 08:10.53 | supaplex | I think I'm missing a package/daemon/service. I've installed lvm2, but after vgimport and lvchange, the expected lv's are active, but I cannot create a volume, as /dev/"vg" does not exist. |
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| 08:11.21 | supaplex | The more exact error message is /dev/vg20120806/lvEIEIO: stat failed: No such file or directory |
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| 08:14.55 | petn-randall | supaplex: If you still have the lines of what you did, could you paste them all? Also the output of pvs, vgs and lvs. |
| 08:16.06 | ChrisH | Jckf: sda looks suspicoius.... If you dare remove it from the mirror to see if the load decreases |
| 08:16.47 | lasers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:17.16 | supaplex | yeah, 1m. |
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| 08:18.42 | Jckf | ChrisH: I'm not sure how to do that live |
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| 08:20.40 | P33k | hello, I need to start irexec after start of system. There is description in manpages, that it can be added to init script, but I do not know what it mean... I tried to add it to /etc/rc.local but it is not started (ps ax) ..any idea? |
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| 08:23.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell P33k -about init script |
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| 08:24.12 | supaplex | petn-randall: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85069787/lvcreate-fails.txt |
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| 08:25.20 | babilen | P33k: It looks as if "lirc" (apt-cache show lirc) ships an init script among other things. Would that tool be a feasible alternative? |
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| 08:29.16 | supaplex | let me poke cryptsetup... I know it depends on something else lvm2 should of pulled in. humm... |
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| 08:29.49 | ChrisH | Jckf: mdadm /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sdb1 |
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| 08:30.13 | ChrisH | Jckf: mdadm /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sdb1 ; mdadm /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdb1 ; and add uisng: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 |
| 08:31.32 | Jckf | ChrisH: This adds sdb1 as fail-over for md0, then removes sdb1 from the array making it fail? |
| 08:32.00 | Jckf | And adding it back will bring the array back online? |
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| 08:33.03 | Jckf | Nope |
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| 08:35.40 | supaplex | !dmsetup |
| 08:35.47 | supaplex | dpkg: dmsetup |
| 08:35.51 | supaplex | meh. |
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| 08:36.57 | supaplex | petn-randall: I think dmsetup is confuddled. What should be auto mkdir /dev/vg2012.... ? |
| 08:38.17 | petn-randall | supaplex: Which live DVD is this? squeeze/wheezy? |
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| 08:39.21 | supaplex | ahh, udev is out of date. updating it. I think it's squeeze. I should burn a newer copy and toss this one. |
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| 08:41.21 | mateusz_ | Hi, I have a problem, recently more and more software is compiled against libc6 2.15+ while Debian sid is still stucked with 2.13, why is that ? is there a specific reason for that, or just there is no one to update it ? |
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| 08:43.23 | supaplex | bleh. This DVD is for now for skeet shooting. |
| 08:43.49 | petn-randall | mateusz_: sid is in part used as staging area for wheezy. Since wheezy isn't released yet, Debian sid is very close to wheezy. |
| 08:44.29 | petn-randall | mateusz_: Expect after the release (roughly in two weeks) that sid will be far more current. |
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| 08:45.42 | mateusz_ | petn-randall, thanks |
| 08:45.53 | petn-randall | supaplex: I've heard that with the eject command and very old slot-in drives you can shoot them out at full speed! ;) |
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| 08:46.43 | ChrisH | Jckf: --fail will set the disk to faulty and allows the kernel to prepare for removal |
| 08:46.58 | Jckf | Yep, I discovered ;) |
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| 08:50.13 | petn-randall | mateusz_: Let me guess, it's steam, right? :D |
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| 08:50.25 | mateusz_ | petn-randall, steam? |
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| 08:50.50 | petn-randall | mateusz_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29 |
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| 08:51.52 | mateusz_ | petn-randall, I was trying to use software like Fritzing or Razen PCB cad |
| 08:52.08 | mateusz_ | petn-randall, I didnt know what is steam |
| 08:52.27 | babilen | mateusz_: The problem is that this software target libc6 2.15 while it does, almost certainly, not require any features that are specific to 2.15 -- It could have been compiled against 2.13 and would work just fine. Due to the fact that it is some proprietary-whatever we cannot do anything about it but to recommend to not use that software. |
| 08:52.44 | AimHere | If you're feeling brave, you can use the experimental repository for a later libc version, but be warned, if it breaks, it will likely break HARD, and it is experimental, after all |
| 08:52.45 | petn-randall | mateusz_: Oh, ok. It's just that steam is probably the most common reason people ask for libc6 2.15. |
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| 08:53.06 | ChrisH | mateusz_: why not using the fritzing from debian repos? |
| 08:53.38 | mateusz_ | ChrisH, because that one is broken |
| 08:53.44 | mateusz_ | ChrisH, parts editor does not work |
| 08:53.52 | mateusz_ | ChrisH, I reported bug long ago |
| 08:53.54 | petn-randall | babilen: I'm no expert on C libraries, but couldn't some projects be using features in 2.15 they genuinely need? |
| 08:53.57 | babilen | mateusz_: You might have success in pulling in libc6 from experimental, but updating a library as significant as libc6 *is* risky and I cannot recommend it. If you require a platform to run that software I would recommend to run Ubuntu in a virtual machine or chroot (or test the libc6 upgrade for Debian in a VM) |
| 08:54.49 | AimHere | petn-randall, more likely, it's just that everyone is blithely compiling for Ubuntu these days, and not bothering with the crufty-old Linux distros their grandfathers used to use |
| 08:54.55 | jelly | mateusz_: the binaries built against glibc 2.15 are most certainly not built for Debian, but Ubuntu. It's probably for the best to use a supported OS, or ask the vendor for a Debian build |
| 08:54.58 | mateusz_ | babilen, I know there is 2.17 in experimental but I dont dare to install anything from there, usually stuff there is badly broken |
| 08:54.59 | babilen | petn-randall: Sure, that might be possible, but my guess would be that they just don't care and simply target, say, Ubuntu and don't think about the ramifications. |
| 08:55.21 | babilen | mateusz_: hence my warnings -- it /is/ an option though. |
| 08:55.39 | petn-randall | babilen: Sure, that's the most likely cause. |
| 08:56.35 | babilen | petn-randall: In the rare cases in which I could contact the upstream author/company they reacted like "Oh, really? What can we do?" and shipped a release that was working with 2.13 (or whatever) shortly thereafter. :) |
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| 08:58.04 | mateusz_ | babilen, when I ask about Debian builds, devs replay install ubuntu package it should work, if I say it does not, they say, install Ubuntu |
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| 08:59.39 | babilen | mateusz_: If you require this software for your work then use a supported platform or get the vendor to support other platforms. They might understand that they could just as well target, say, Debian and ship software that works on *both*. |
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| 09:01.02 | mateusz_ | babilen, no it's not for work, that's why I prefer to stay with ancient debian's libc |
| 09:01.36 | mateusz_ | babilen, I expect that sid is more stable now, if it's about to become wheezy |
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| 09:03.26 | babilen | mateusz_: That's not how it works :) -- wheezy is currently *testing* and frozen. We plan to release it at the beginning of next month (see "/msg dpkg wwwr") and sid is, and will always be, sid. |
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| 09:29.27 | petn-randall | sid will be a *lot* bumpier the weeks after wheezy's release, though. :) |
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| 09:30.54 | babilen | oh yeah :-D |
| 09:31.33 | supaplex | bumpy ride ahead for sid? Let's go! yah mule yah! *whip-crack* |
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| 09:34.07 | ChrisH | me sid experiences were only once bumpy in the past 2-3 years running unstable on my production laptop :) And even then the fix came within a few days and the w/a was documented in bts. |
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| 09:37.12 | babilen | ChrisH: Well, we had a few problems. I fondly remember the problems that resulted from incomplete /run migrations or the time when udev was broken (167 something IIRC) |
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| 09:38.53 | babilen | #621036 for example (not the most gruesome one, but the first that I stumbled over) |
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| 09:39.29 | petn-randall | sid is fine, because whatever is broken also gets fixed quickly. It's only annoying if you hit a bug a don't have internet access for the next few days. |
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| 09:40.46 | petn-randall | Nowadays most people can fall back to mobile broadband, that didn't work a few years back as I ran sid. |
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| 09:48.17 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. A little help please? I am trying to do the most simple/stupid screencast. It is debian squeeze, this is the command: ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 25 -s 100x200 -i :0.0+100,200 -threads 0 -r 5 test.mpg ... Problem is - ffmpeg give errors or examples in internet does not work for me (old debian/old ffmpeg) or I can not play the created file :-/ |
| 09:49.31 | tgs3 | hello, what's the best way to setup colored bash prompt globally for every user (/etc/bash.bashrc works but it does respect users' .bashrc) |
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| 09:49.55 | babilen | mmm4m5m: My ffmpeg-fu is to weak for that, but why don't you use one of the many screencast recorders already in Debian? (such as gtk-recordmydesktop, byzanz or kazam) |
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| 09:50.41 | babilen | tgs3: Not sure if you can easily override your user's modifications/wishes .. |
| 09:51.16 | tgs3 | babilen: thanks, just as I thought so |
| 09:51.24 | babilen | tgs3: Why don't you simply enable it in /etc/skel/.bashrc so that new users end up with a bashrc that more closely resmebles what you want to be the default |
| 09:51.39 | mmm4m5m | thanks babilen |
| 09:52.04 | babilen | mmm4m5m: Not sure if all of these are in squeeze, lets see |
| 09:52.56 | mmm4m5m | babilen: some want new version of libavformat52... that is why I decided to use whatever I have available |
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| 09:53.15 | babilen | mmm4m5m: byzanz and gtk-recordmydesktop are ... If you want to show keypresses as well take a look at key-mon and screenkey |
| 09:53.28 | tgs3 | ok, so which file is copied as users' .bashrc when created new accoutn, /etc/skel/.bashrc? |
| 09:54.28 | babilen | mmm4m5m: They are in squeeze and you should be able to just install them with, say, "apt-get install byzanz" -- You might want to consider upgrading to wheezy (or to start planning for it). See <wheezy release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy> for details (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
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| 09:55.47 | mmm4m5m | ok, thanks babilen... yes, upgrade is pending |
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| 10:05.01 | tgs3 | babilen: oh, sorry, didn't saw your second reply, I was thinking about /etc/skel/.bashrc too, thanks |
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| 10:06.34 | babilen | tgs3: That /still/ wouldn't change the behaviour for existing users with a .bashrc in their home directory, but you are probably aware of that |
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| 10:06.56 | babilen | tgs3: Not entirely sure what you want, but alter the files in /etc/skel/ if you want to "ship" different default files |
| 10:07.00 | babilen | for new users |
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| 10:14.24 | tijs | Hi |
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| 10:14.40 | tijs | I think I have a dependency problem, can somebody help? |
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| 10:15.27 | tijs | I installed libminiupnpc8-dev |
| 10:15.40 | tijs | but this seems to be know as libminiupnpc-dev |
| 10:16.14 | tijs | when I install a program that depends libminiupnpc8-dev it said unsatisfied deps |
| 10:16.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell tijs -about bat |
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| 10:17.38 | tijs | I tried dpkg-buildpackage, and I found this link later on: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package |
| 10:17.45 | babilen | tijs: Please also clarify /where/ you installed libminiupnpc8-dev from - That package is not in Debian and it looks as if the packaging of "a program" is broken. |
| 10:17.49 | tijs | But I think I am overlooking something |
| 10:18.03 | tgs3 | yeah I know that /etc/skel/.bashrc will work only for new users, what you meant by "enable it in /etc/skel/.bashrc"? |
| 10:18.14 | tijs | I installed it from expirimental |
| 10:18.20 | babilen | tgs3: enable colour PS1 on there .. |
| 10:18.25 | tijs | but its name there is not the same as in ubuntu |
| 10:18.32 | petn-randall | tijs: What is "it", specifically? |
| 10:18.45 | tijs | libminiupnpc-dev |
| 10:19.09 | petn-randall | tijs: ... and you want to do what with it? |
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| 10:19.14 | babilen | tijs: Please read the message our bot sent you and provide the requested information on http://paste.debian.net -- Please also tell us what you are actually trying to do. Naturally Debian and Ubuntu aren't the same, so ... |
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| 10:19.43 | tijs | thanks babilen |
| 10:19.47 | tijs | I'll do that |
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| 10:26.39 | tijs | I posted my problem in paste.debian.net, name=Tijs |
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| 10:27.57 | babilen | tijs: It's typically a good idea to simply give us the URL of your paste. :) |
| 10:28.11 | tijs | haha, here it is http://paste.debian.net/250449 |
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| 10:29.04 | babilen | That is also not the requested output, but a description of your problem. |
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| 10:29.18 | tijs | o.o sorry |
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| 10:30.31 | babilen | tijs: Well, you cannot use their Ubuntu package if they depend on libminiupnpc8-dev -- If you can get hold of the source package it shouldn't be too hard to change the dependency in debian/control and build it yourself (see "/msg dpkg package recompile") |
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| 10:30.49 | BenNZ | tijs: why not install bitcoin from sid ? |
| 10:30.53 | babilen | Note that there are some bitcoin related packages already in Debian .. Search for them with, say, "apt-cache search bitcoin" |
| 10:31.00 | babilen | ,v bitcoin |
| 10:31.02 | judd | No package named 'bitcoin' was found in i386. |
| 10:31.07 | babilen | ,v bitcoind |
| 10:31.08 | judd | Package: bitcoind on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.3.24~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.7.2-3; experimental: 0.8.1-1 |
| 10:31.23 | babilen | tijs: ^^^ for example. |
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| 10:31.41 | tijs | haha no I pulled it from ubuntu precise, sorry ;) |
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| 10:31.50 | babilen | tijs: You can install that right away with "apt-get install bitcoind" |
| 10:31.56 | tijs | these are the logs http://paste.debian.net/250451/ |
| 10:32.11 | babilen | tijs: Well, don't use Ubuntu packages on Debian. it's really not a good idea and will break your system eventually |
| 10:32.11 | tijs | yeah but that is 0.7.1, not the 0.8.1 current |
| 10:32.20 | babilen | tijs: And you need 0.8.1 ? |
| 10:32.34 | tijs | no |
| 10:32.37 | babilen | … |
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| 10:32.45 | tijs | but the first command failed and found this on a blog |
| 10:32.55 | tijs | so thats why I tried it this way |
| 10:32.56 | babilen | Which is the "first command" ? |
| 10:33.06 | tijs | apt-get install bitcoind |
| 10:33.20 | tijs | I now know I should do that with expirimental, right? |
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| 10:34.06 | babilen | No, you should run "apt-get install bitcoind" and show me the output of that and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy bitcoind" -- Installing packages from experimental is typically not a good idea. |
| 10:34.40 | tijs | oops |
| 10:34.44 | tijs | I just did that |
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| 10:35.52 | babilen | and? |
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| 10:36.17 | babilen | Didn't you just say that you don't necessarily need 0.8.1 ? |
| 10:36.25 | babilen | tijs: Do you or don't you? |
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| 10:37.13 | tijs | http://paste.debian.net/250452/ |
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| 10:37.33 | tijs | I installed from expirimental |
| 10:38.03 | tijs | I thought it was a lower version, but I was wrong |
| 10:38.43 | tijs | Thats why I tried the ubuntu version, just to try it, nothing more |
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| 10:41.19 | tijs | It seems to work quite well, so thats enough for today. thanks for helping |
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| 10:42.06 | babilen | tijs: Well, as I said: I wouldn't recommend to install packages from experimental (at least not if you know what you are doing) -- I would recommend to backport it by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" that you adapt for wheezy/experimental (i.e. add deb-src for experimental and wheezy-backports in lieu of squeeze-backports) |
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| 10:42.45 | petn-randall | tijs: In case you're thinking about mining bitcoins with it, unless you have dedicated GPUs/ASICs to mine them, you won't even cover the electricity bill. |
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| 10:43.23 | tijs | I am no miner, I am going to put thousands of dollars on it ;) |
| 10:43.30 | babilen | tijs: And please don't install random packages and, in particular, not packages that do not target Debian. I'd also like to point out that virtualbox /is/ also in Debian and that you could use that. As a wonderful alternative to virtualbox I would recommend to take a look at virt-manager and kvm |
| 10:43.34 | tijs | with expirimental software XD |
| 10:44.10 | tijs | kvm is nice, Ill try that |
| 10:44.29 | petn-randall | tijs: Another reason I'd just use the version matching your release. |
| 10:44.59 | babilen | petn-randall: Well, it is not in wheezy, so it has to be backported either way … |
| 10:45.15 | tijs | okay, thanks |
| 10:45.19 | babilen | judd: v bitcoind --arch amd64 |
| 10:45.20 | judd | Package: bitcoind on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 0.3.24~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.7.2-3; experimental: 0.8.1-1 |
| 10:45.49 | babilen | tijs: You are welcome (and please don't break your system!) |
| 10:45.54 | tijs | bye |
| 10:46.05 | tijs | bye |
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| 10:46.34 | petn-randall | babilen: Oh, didn't see that at first :( |
| 10:46.39 | babilen | np |
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| 11:09.57 | Ristovski | Hello, when I tried installing ia32-libs-gtk on my debian wheezy, I got an dpkg error "trying to overwrite shared '/etc/vga/null.keymap', which is different from other instances of package libsvga1:i386", any ideas? |
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| 11:12.20 | Ristovski | doing "sudo apt-get -f install" gives me "ia32-libs-i386:i386 : Depends: libsvga1:i386 (>= 1:1.4.3-29) but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 11:13.13 | nkuttler | Ristovski: please paste the full output of both commands at paste.debian.net |
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| 11:13.22 | Ristovski | ok |
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| 11:14.38 | Ristovski | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/plain/250461 |
| 11:15.30 | Ristovski | I have no memory of installing a different version than in the repos of libsvga |
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| 11:16.02 | Jckf | Is this abnormally high http://pastie.org/7660294 ? |
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| 11:17.44 | ChrisH | Jckf: load is still high. I do not know this output. What NIC is installed? |
| 11:18.21 | nkuttler | Ristovski: never seen that error.. i'd try to remove the installed libsvga1 |
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| 11:19.23 | nkuttler | ,v ia32-libs-i386 |
| 11:19.24 | judd | Package: ia32-libs-i386 on i386 -- sid: 1:0.4; wheezy: 1:0.4 |
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| 11:19.32 | nkuttler | Ristovski: maybe also paste apt-cache policy libsvga1 |
| 11:20.02 | jelly | Jckf: how many cpu cores does the machine have? |
| 11:20.05 | Jckf | ChrisH: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 11:20.08 | Jckf | jelly: 2 |
| 11:20.23 | jelly | Jckf: that load isn't too much for a well-used server |
| 11:20.36 | jelly | loadavg doesn't mean much on its own |
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| 11:20.50 | ChrisH | Jckf: Why did I expect Realtek with high Interrupt figures? :) |
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| 11:21.32 | Ristovski | nkuttler: sorry, had lunch, http://paste.debian.net/plain/250463 |
| 11:21.46 | Jckf | jelly: It used to be between 0.3 and 1.5. Then one day (yes, that suddenly) it changed to 3.5 to 7.5 |
| 11:21.58 | Ristovski | nkuttler: I tried removing some packages, but doesnt let me since unmet dependencies |
| 11:22.01 | Jckf | jelly: And it's working really slowly |
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| 11:22.31 | nkuttler | Ristovski: what happens when you try to install libsvga1 itself? |
| 11:22.37 | jelly | Jckf: your memory is filled up to brim. |
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| 11:23.12 | Ristovski | nkuttler: libsvga1 or libsvga1:i386? |
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| 11:23.46 | Jckf | jelly: htop reports 1 out of 2 GBs used. More reserved probably? |
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| 11:24.09 | Ristovski | nkuttler: same error with the overwrite of /etc/vga/null.keymap |
| 11:24.15 | jelly | Jckf: pastebin the output of top, after you press capital 'M' in it |
| 11:24.16 | nkuttler | Ristovski: seems related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684148 |
| 11:24.33 | Ristovski | Yeah, I read that like 15 mins ago |
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| 11:24.47 | Ristovski | nkuttler: "I had to remove all /etc/vga/ files" |
| 11:24.56 | Jckf | jelly: http://pastie.org/7660552 |
| 11:24.57 | Ristovski | shall I try it? what is kept in that dir anyways? |
| 11:25.03 | nkuttler | Ristovski: well i can't help yo with this if it's a package bug |
| 11:25.13 | nkuttler | Ristovski: no idea. make backups, as usual |
| 11:25.23 | Ristovski | nkuttler: well, now I would appriciate if I could just remove it |
| 11:25.35 | Ristovski | I don't need it if it will bork stuff |
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| 11:26.15 | Ristovski | nkuttler: can't I just remove all that installing ia32-libs-gtk installed |
| 11:27.08 | jelly | Jckf: alright, that's not as bad as I thought |
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| 11:28.17 | jelly | Jckf: well, you might have passed some knee where your mysql workload was completely in memory to where a query now needs to access the disk |
| 11:28.38 | Jckf | I can stop mysqld. The load will just shift to some other process |
| 11:28.59 | Jckf | Even my IRC client will use a lot of CPU power if nothing else does |
| 11:29.01 | jelly | Jckf: inspect the output of "iostat -x 1" for any partitions being ~100% busy the whole time |
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| 11:29.35 | ChrisH | Jckf: I still have sda as the suspicious bad guy in mind |
| 11:29.41 | Ristovski | nkuttler: would be nice if I could just remove all the stuff that was installed so I don't get a damn apt error everytime I try to install/upgrade |
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| 11:30.16 | Jckf | ChrisH: The load did not drop when I removed sda from the array |
| 11:30.27 | nkuttler | Ristovski: sure, you certainly don't need gtk packages for a working system |
| 11:30.32 | nkuttler | Ristovski: who needs a gui anyway |
| 11:30.39 | ChrisH | Jckf: are you currently resyncing? |
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| 11:30.48 | Ristovski | nkuttler: no, those are i386 |
| 11:30.49 | kro[au] | Jckf, is your wa% high in top ? have you tested your drives io with ioping ? |
| 11:30.56 | Ristovski | nkuttler: I am trying to install the i386 ones |
| 11:30.58 | Jckf | Yes, so jelly's idea with iostat won't help right now |
| 11:31.38 | Jckf | kro[au]: Define "high". It's around 1.5 |
| 11:31.56 | Jckf | Spike of 5 there |
| 11:31.56 | Ristovski | nkuttler: in case you missed it "libsvga1:i386" |
| 11:31.58 | kro[au] | Thats not very high. |
| 11:31.59 | Ristovski | >i386 |
| 11:32.21 | kro[au] | Anything else spiking in there Jckf ? |
| 11:32.23 | Jckf | ioping will probably be bioased by rebuilding raid |
| 11:32.33 | jelly | Jckf: well, wait it out |
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| 11:32.40 | kro[au] | Oh rebuilding array will kill your still |
| 11:32.45 | kro[au] | HW Raid or SW? |
| 11:32.49 | Jckf | Soft |
| 11:32.52 | kro[au] | derp |
| 11:33.11 | Ristovski | nkuttler: well, not im stuck at my apt being broken, can't I just force it to remove the libsvga1:i386 it's trying to install? |
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| 11:33.36 | Jckf | 50 sy, 40 id, 30 si |
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| 11:33.42 | Jckf | Those are the highest numbers in top |
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| 11:34.06 | nkuttler | Ristovski: err.. can't you just remove the package? or does it always try to finish the install process? |
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| 11:34.16 | Ristovski | nkuttler: always tried to finish it |
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| 11:34.22 | Ristovski | tries* |
| 11:34.26 | kro[au] | Jckf, press F1 i think it is when in top to see break down of CPUs, but it'll be your raid rebuild for sure. once that stops all will be normal. |
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| 11:34.44 | kro[au] | Jckf, unless you have a user who is cranking out the IO usage in say a Virtual Machine, they could be the cause as well |
| 11:34.53 | nkuttler | Ristovski: try with dpkg -r <package> |
| 11:34.57 | Ristovski | nkuttler: it just says unmet dependencies |
| 11:35.12 | Jckf | kro[au]: The RAID rebuild just started, and is a result of debugging this problem. The load will not go away, but move somewhere else =P |
| 11:35.13 | Ristovski | nkuttler: what package do i choose tho? ia32-libs or svga? |
| 11:35.28 | nkuttler | Ristovski: the one that doesn't install |
| 11:35.32 | Ristovski | ok |
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| 11:35.56 | Ristovski | nkuttler: ok, it removed it, what can I do now? |
| 11:35.57 | kro[au] | Jckf, how many cores? |
| 11:36.03 | Jckf | 2 |
| 11:36.07 | nkuttler | Ristovski: now remove the package that depends on it |
| 11:36.27 | Ristovski | ok, done |
| 11:36.30 | Ristovski | nkuttler: anything else? |
| 11:36.30 | kro[au] | Jckf, nothing in dmesg ? |
| 11:36.40 | nkuttler | Ristovski: that should make apt work again |
| 11:36.44 | Ristovski | I mean, it installed a shitton before, ~67MB of packages |
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| 11:36.58 | nkuttler | Ristovski: well no idea what you did. maybe apt-get autoremove |
| 11:37.03 | Ristovski | ok |
| 11:37.17 | Jckf | kro[au]: Not lately |
| 11:37.19 | nkuttler | Ristovski: or remove the package you were trying to install originally. what was it anyway? |
| 11:37.29 | Ristovski | ia32-libs-gtk |
| 11:37.46 | Ristovski | I needed it to get libgtk-x11 |
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| 11:37.53 | Ristovski | the 32bit version I mean |
| 11:38.01 | nkuttler | Ristovski: just wondering, but why 32bit? |
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| 11:38.24 | Ristovski | nkuttler: the program im trying to use needs a 32bit version of libgtk-x11 |
| 11:38.29 | nkuttler | ,v libgtk-x11 |
| 11:38.30 | judd | No package named 'libgtk-x11' was found in i386. |
| 11:38.40 | nkuttler | that package doesn't seem to exist |
| 11:38.48 | Ristovski | not a package |
| 11:38.50 | Ristovski | library |
| 11:38.52 | Jckf | kro[au]: I see these "mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition!". But I'm not sure how old they are |
| 11:39.03 | nkuttler | Ristovski: well, anyway, good luck from here |
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| 11:39.05 | ChrisH | Jckf: ignore them |
| 11:39.18 | Ristovski | nkuttler: ok, thanks for helping! |
| 11:39.26 | Jckf | Then there's only info about ifs going up and down |
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| 11:42.09 | checka | how to avoid this ? |
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| 11:42.37 | checka | smthing like: echo "foo bar" | grep foo | grep bar >> output |
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| 11:44.53 | petemc | checka: echo "foo bar" | egrep '(foo|bar)' ? |
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| 11:45.15 | jelly | petemc: or != and |
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| 11:46.35 | petemc | still gives the output as one lump rather than two |
| 11:46.40 | petemc | for me, anyway |
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| 11:46.51 | jelly | sure, but it also doesn't do the same thing |
| 11:47.36 | checka | man thanks for input |
| 11:47.36 | jelly | compare: echo -e "foo bar\njust foo" | egrep '(foo|bar') vs. echo -e "foo bar\njust foo" | grep foo | grep bar |
| 11:47.42 | checka | it just was an typing error |
| 11:47.48 | checka | pipelining works well in an sh script |
| 11:48.01 | checka | egrep was the thing |
| 11:48.02 | checka | :9 |
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| 11:53.48 | brokencycle | Hi! |
| 11:54.10 | jelly | HII |
| 11:54.14 | surcontre | ohay brokencycle |
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| 11:54.32 | brokencycle | I've just read (but can't currently verify) that the new installer creates tiny 2GB /usr partitions by default |
| 11:55.07 | brokencycle | which is imho far too small for a desktop system. I hold that the user who makes use of the automatic partitioning |
| 11:55.25 | brokencycle | will typically be both a desktop user and also unable to change the layout to more useful values |
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| 11:57.31 | brokencycle | so here are my questions: (a) is it true? (b) what can be done to change the partitioning scheme to make more reasonable use of the available disk space? |
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| 12:04.04 | jhutchins_wk | brokencycle: Anyone with half a brain will reject the automatic partitioning and do one partition plus swap. |
| 12:04.16 | petn-randall | brokencycle: No idea what the automatic partitioner selects. You can (and in most cases should) edit the partitioning scheme to your needs. This is simply possible. |
| 12:04.39 | nevyn | jhutchins_wk: shouldn't that be the default then... |
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| 12:05.02 | brokencycle | I never tried the automatic partitioning, but I have the newcomer in mind, who has _no_clue_ about Linux, |
| 12:05.10 | brokencycle | but still should get a useful system out of the box. |
| 12:05.12 | brokencycle | imho. |
| 12:05.15 | petn-randall | brokencycle: And no, there's no sane default partitioning scheme. |
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| 12:05.57 | nevyn | petn-randall: / /home and swap or / and swap are sane defaults |
| 12:06.00 | nevyn | imho |
| 12:06.01 | petn-randall | brokencycle: What should the default layout look like? How will that cover desktop,mail server, web server, file server, firewall, etc? |
| 12:06.02 | brokencycle | petn-randall: that depends on the definition of "sane". If the user has gobs of space, undersizing a partition is always worse than oversizing it. |
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| 12:06.58 | petn-randall | brokencycle: On a desktop, you maybe want to have 15 G for /, all the rest for /home. This is hardly useful on a server. |
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| 12:07.19 | jhutchins_wk | Disagree. |
| 12:07.21 | brokencycle | petn-randall: imho, the default partitioning scheme should look like "minimum space for desktop usage, plus some allowance for extras if the disk is big enough" |
| 12:07.23 | petn-randall | brokencycle: You probably even want to use LVM, so you can change your mind later. |
| 12:07.38 | babilen | That doesn't change the fact that the default partition sizes picked by d-i are suboptimal |
| 12:07.43 | jhutchins_wk | Double disagree. |
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| 12:08.25 | brokencycle | the partitioner could offer different partitioning scenarios as well: automatic-desktop, automatic-xy-server |
| 12:08.25 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: Not with you, the default 1970's partition scheme should be updated to reflect modern reality and half-terabyte drives. |
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| 12:08.37 | brokencycle | with xy = whatever is offered by tasksel |
| 12:08.47 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: yes, that is exactly what I meant |
| 12:09.09 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: If not terabyte (or multiple terabyte) drives :) |
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| 12:09.52 | brokencycle | petn-randall: i massively trimmed down my desktop installation because i was running out of space on my 50gigs /usr and currently have no easy way to make it bigger |
| 12:10.18 | brokencycle | now i have a little over 32g left... so 15g won't get you very far, imho |
| 12:10.28 | petn-randall | brokencycle: I agree that having several defaults to start with would be ok. But then there's the question if using LVM should be default or not. |
| 12:10.36 | jhutchins_wk | brokencycle: Let me guess, you have no backup. |
| 12:10.56 | jhutchins_wk | I think the default should be a single partition and swap. |
| 12:11.09 | petn-randall | brokencycle: LVM would have alleviated your problem. |
| 12:11.14 | brokencycle | jhutchins_wk: i have some backup of application data, but yes, I don't have a backup of the system itself (i have several systems where i copy the application data to and fro |
| 12:11.18 | brokencycle | ) |
| 12:11.20 | jhutchins_wk | If you need something more than that, it should be because you know the system well enough to come up with a scheme for yourself. |
| 12:11.46 | brokencycle | petn-randall: i agree with 'alleviated', but it doesn't solve it. fwiw, i do have lvm |
| 12:11.54 | brokencycle | on everything except /boot |
| 12:12.06 | petn-randall | brokencycle: So you have more backup than 90% of the people out there :) |
| 12:12.18 | jhutchins_wk | lvm is an unnecessary complication that most users will never touch. |
| 12:12.31 | jhutchins_wk | It seldom breaks anything, but also seldom is any use at all. |
| 12:12.46 | petn-randall | I've come to love LVM to no end <3 |
| 12:13.11 | petn-randall | But I agree that putting /usr on a separate partition is a crappy idea. |
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| 12:15.13 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 12:15.14 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:15.58 | petn-randall | vbajpai: ^^ |
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| 12:20.18 | brokencycle | jhutchins_wk: i don't think so - lvm is about no hassle to set up, but it isn't a cure-all |
| 12:21.21 | nevyn | jhutchins_wk: the problem is when you want it and don't have it it's impossible to get. |
| 12:21.26 | nevyn | or hard at least. |
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| 12:21.47 | brokencycle | nevyn: aggreed |
| 12:21.48 | jhutchins_wk | But it's not. It's significantly more complicated to set up, and the additional complication only pays off in rare occasions that most users will never encounter. |
| 12:22.05 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk++ |
| 12:22.10 | nevyn | jhutchins_wk: disk migrations are common. |
| 12:22.45 | jhutchins_wk | If you're going to mess with partitions, you have to have a backup. If you have a backup, it's much simpler to repartition and restore than to dink around with lvm. |
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| 12:22.59 | petn-randall | There's no problem that couldn't be solved by another level of indirection :) |
| 12:23.00 | nevyn | nobody has backups. |
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| 12:24.00 | jhutchins_wk | It is far more important to have backups than to have lvm. |
| 12:24.03 | nevyn | let me rephrase that most stuff on hdd's is just copies of stuff that's on other hdd's on the internet already. most people backup their own stuff they make. but not the stuff they just download. |
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| 12:24.55 | jhutchins_wk | Which is why when they screw up lvm they end up reinstalling. |
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| 12:30.35 | brokencycle | petn-randall: if one uses the guided partitioning, choosing lvm is a no-brainer |
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| 12:31.27 | brokencycle | jhutchins_wk: having backups just doesn't work, due to the size of today's disks and the availability of backup media |
| 12:31.41 | brokencycle | (or rather, the non-availability of adequate backup media) |
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| 12:32.06 | brokencycle | also, the problem is imho exacerbated by the fact that no two linux installs are likely to be the same |
| 12:32.21 | brokencycle | because it depends on the order of installation which uid gets assigned to which service |
| 12:32.38 | brokencycle | potentially creating lots of headache in a network |
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| 12:36.13 | jhutchins_wk | None of which has anything to do with LVM or partitioning. |
| 12:36.50 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, people do and should have backups. It's inexpensive to buy a disk that has several times the storage needed for the average workstation, and to keep versioned backups on an external drive. |
| 12:37.33 | jhutchins_wk | Thinking that backups are a good place to economize is bad thinking. |
| 12:38.01 | petn-randall | I'm with jhutchins_wk on this one. There's *no* excuse to not have backups. |
| 12:38.13 | shreknet | Hey together, I am just that close to switch from gentoo, which I used for years now, to debian. I am planing to use wheezy for the new Server, now my question is... Is it possible to install PHP 5.3 on wheezy and is it possible to install PHP5.3 and PHP5.4 next to each other? I want to use fastcgi for that. |
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| 12:38.42 | jhutchins_wk | Regular scheduled backups are a good idea, but in any case where you are altering the storage configuration you need a good system-wide backup. |
| 12:38.43 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: Well, even they will learn it sometime, the hard way. I have no pity on then, |
| 12:38.54 | petn-randall | brokencycle: I also don't understand what you're trying to say with no two installs being the same. What does that have to do with backups, or partitioning? |
| 12:39.26 | jhutchins_wk | shreknet: If you are insecure about the size of your packages' version number Debian is not for you. |
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| 12:40.18 | brokencycle | petn-randall: it means that it is hard to restore, and basically, that systems frequently need to be reconstructed, instead of being restored from backup |
| 12:40.22 | shreknet | jhutchins_wk, I am secure of what is needed, I solved it under gentoo, but I have nearly no experience with apt^^. |
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| 12:40.27 | jhutchins_wk | shreknet: If you can accept using "older" tested and patched software with version numbers that are not as big as those of other distributions, it's a great way to have a stable reliable system that doesn't need to recompile everything two or three times a week. |
| 12:41.26 | petn-randall | brokencycle: sure, you can have bare metal recovery, but I seldomly need it. However, there's still no excuse on having a (filesystem) backup. |
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| 12:42.25 | petn-randall | shreknet: wheezy ships with PHP 5.4. You can install PHP 5.3 from sources next to it. If you really need it. |
| 12:42.48 | shreknet | jhutchins_wk, that is the main reason for me switching to debian. But I want a long stable version and so it has to be wheezy if I am right. But wheezy is running PHP5.4 and I am not able to switch as fast as wanted every software. |
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| 12:43.12 | brokencycle | petn-randall: the most a user can do, are basically configuration and application data backups, but otherwise, how do you backup large partitions with current backup media? |
| 12:43.21 | shreknet | petn-randall, I need it. Do you know a nice guide for that so I don't skip anything? |
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| 12:43.35 | brokencycle | i have a tape drive that holds 80g, and a /home that holds > 800g... go figure |
| 12:44.39 | petn-randall | brokencycle: I simply bought a big external HDD for backups. Tapes are so ... "special" for home backups. |
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| 12:45.33 | nkuttler | brokencycle: disk space is so cheap nowadays.. |
| 12:45.34 | petn-randall | brokencycle: Buy a 2 TB external drive and use rdiff-backup, or storebackup. It'll do incremental backups, so you can keep dozens of save points on that single drive. |
| 12:45.45 | NeO_Anderson | hello all, im having a bit of trouble getting vncserver and gnome desktop going |
| 12:45.48 | ChrisH | brokencycle: using amanda you can implement a virtual tape librray on external disks. I am still a tape lover but my DAT Tapes cannot hold enough data. |
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| 12:45.57 | NeO_Anderson | ive followed several guides and the end result is always the same |
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| 12:46.16 | NeO_Anderson | when connecting to vncserver:1 it simply has a weird grey/checkered like screen |
| 12:46.21 | NeO_Anderson | no desktop environment |
| 12:46.24 | petn-randall | shreknet: Sorry, I don't have a guide for that. |
| 12:46.30 | NeO_Anderson | ive tried switching to tightvncserver same problem |
| 12:47.07 | nkuttler | NeO_Anderson: you're connecting from debian to debian? |
| 12:47.16 | NeO_Anderson | from windows to debian |
| 12:47.20 | NeO_Anderson | my comp now |
| 12:47.25 | NeO_Anderson | to the debian server |
| 12:48.15 | NeO_Anderson | ive never had to do this before but do I have to type 'startx' ? |
| 12:48.35 | NeO_Anderson | normally i just install both dekstop env and then vncserver |
| 12:48.38 | NeO_Anderson | an then start vncserver |
| 12:48.44 | NeO_Anderson | then close it |
| 12:48.51 | NeO_Anderson | then uncomment the 2 lines in xstartup |
| 12:48.54 | NeO_Anderson | an start vncserver again |
| 12:48.57 | NeO_Anderson | then connect an its fine |
| 12:48.58 | NeO_Anderson | o.O |
| 12:49.04 | NeO_Anderson | but not this time |
| 12:49.18 | NeO_Anderson | its like gnome isnt installed |
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| 12:49.58 | ChrisH | NeO_Anderson: You want to have Gnome inside this vncserver setup? |
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| 12:50.17 | NeO_Anderson | ya |
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| 12:50.35 | NeO_Anderson | so when i conenct to vnc it has a gnome desktop env in there |
| 12:51.09 | ChrisH | NeO_Anderson: never did that. I was allways happy when I get any kind of desktop to start a remote browser. All the fancy stuff are on my local boxes |
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| 12:51.40 | NeO_Anderson | ah :S |
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| 12:52.20 | NeO_Anderson | ill try kde |
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| 12:53.32 | ChrisH | for all other needs I use x11vnc and connect to my running DE |
| 12:53.38 | abrotman | holy less enter key |
| 12:53.41 | shreknet | Oh another question. If I install wheezy now, will I have to do things when it leaves beta state? |
| 12:54.15 | petn-randall | shreknet: No. |
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| 12:54.24 | et | not unless you put "testing" instead of "wheezy" in your config |
| 12:54.27 | ChrisH | shreknet: If you use the word wheezy in sources.list (as expected) the answer is no |
| 12:54.35 | abrotman | as is sane! |
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| 12:55.41 | brokencycle | ChrisH: I tried both amanda and bacula, but with "mixed" success... and both of them are unsuitable to the "novice user scenario", which my original question was aimed at. |
| 12:56.00 | jhutchins_wk | NeO_Anderson: Why not try something simpler like xfce? |
| 12:56.14 | jhutchins_wk | NeO_Anderson: You're dealing with gdm anyway, not the actual DE. |
| 12:56.50 | ChrisH | brokencycle: I was out for lunch. So for single system backup I use back-in-time which does rsync based backups. |
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| 12:59.33 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: We use 6TB LTOs. |
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| 13:00.00 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: LTOs are a bit beyond home usage :) |
| 13:00.13 | jhutchins_wk | Yup. Not cheap. |
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| 13:00.37 | ChrisH | Are they still unhappy in start-stop mode if not working in streaming? |
| 13:00.55 | jhutchins_wk | We haven't had issues with that. |
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| 13:01.13 | brokencycle | jhutchtins_wk: these tapes are also in every respect out of the league of the novice user... although i sort of envy you for having them... ;) |
| 13:01.19 | brokencycle | or rather, mourn that I don't |
| 13:01.40 | brokencycle | s/mourn/bemoan/ |
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| 13:02.40 | jhutchins_wk | We worrk at a scale where they make sense. Hundreds of tapes. |
| 13:02.51 | NeO_Anderson | jhutchins_wk ah i see how would i go about doing that instead? |
| 13:03.09 | jhutchins_wk | On a smaller scale where you worry about the cost of buying enough tapes they don't make sense. |
| 13:03.19 | jhutchins_wk | People re-use them too quickly. |
| 13:03.24 | jhonjohn | Hello, i have multi-vlan on my nic but i would know what is the best practice about default vlan (pvid) to choose ? |
| 13:03.31 | NeO_Anderson | does the machine need to be rebooted after installing gnome? |
| 13:03.44 | jhutchins_wk | NeO_Anderson: No. |
| 13:03.53 | NeO_Anderson | do i need to start gnome? :S |
| 13:04.15 | jhutchins_wk | NeO_Anderson: Possibly. You need to insure that gdm is running. |
| 13:05.05 | NeO_Anderson | hmm |
| 13:05.09 | NeO_Anderson | found some errors in the vncserver.log |
| 13:05.17 | NeO_Anderson | relating to permissions |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | get a robot! |
| 13:05.21 | NeO_Anderson | Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/' not found - ignoring |
| 13:05.22 | NeO_Anderson | /root/.vnc/xstartup: line 5: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: Permission denied |
| 13:05.22 | NeO_Anderson | /root/.vnc/xstartup: line 5: exec: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: cannot execute: Permission denied |
| 13:05.36 | NeO_Anderson | is this why the gnome desktop is not there? |
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| 13:07.58 | NeO_Anderson2 | sorry i lost connection |
| 13:08.09 | NeO_Anderson2 | is that error the cause of my desktop env not being there maybe? :o |
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| 13:12.26 | jhutchins_wk | NeO_Anderson2: What release are you on? |
| 13:13.35 | NeO_Anderson2 | Debian 6 Squeeze? |
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| 13:15.57 | jhutchins_wk | !vnc |
| 13:15.58 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
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| 13:30.56 | DammitJim | is there a client you guys recommend for connecting to a MS SQL DB? |
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| 13:34.41 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Will the mysql client work? If not, you probably need something from MS. |
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| 13:36.04 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, mysql client doesn't work |
| 13:36.16 | DammitJim | I guess I'll give sqsh a try |
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| 13:37.08 | ChrisH | DammitJim: IIRC my colleagues told me they use some MySQL graphical browser to connect to allmost all kinds of Databases. |
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| 13:37.51 | DammitJim | ChrisH, not phpmyadmin, right? |
| 13:37.52 | Towzzer | phpmyadmin :D |
| 13:38.08 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 13:38.10 | DammitJim | oh gosh |
| 13:38.17 | DammitJim | I haven't figured out how to do that |
| 13:38.24 | ChrisH | DammitJim: googleing for debian mssql client give sqsh as first match for me, so it seems the right approach. Not phpmyadmin, something standalone |
| 13:38.26 | DammitJim | I'll take a look again otherwise I might just use a python module for it |
| 13:38.43 | niXu | hi, i'm having an issue with raising, apt-get update. It freezes at 99% like, security.debian.org [2001:xxx:x:x:x:x:x:x:x]. Could it be a dns issue? |
| 13:38.45 | DammitJim | I thought maybe someone on here had experience with one ... that's ok |
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| 13:39.16 | jhonjohn | When i perform 8021q on bonding device, vlan ifaces doesn't up alone ... Is this normal ? |
| 13:39.17 | ChrisH | niXu: no. as you see its did do the lookup and showed the IP behind |
| 13:39.18 | niXu | i was trying to ping security.debian.org and it's fine |
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| 13:39.33 | niXu | ChrisH: ye.. |
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| 13:39.50 | ksk | can you ping that IP?(does your v6 work) is there a http/ftp server behind that IP? |
| 13:39.54 | niXu | ChrisH: looks like it shows the mac address instead of the IP |
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| 13:40.01 | niXu | i can yes |
| 13:40.11 | ksk | btw, there is no need to mask that ip, is it? |
| 13:40.20 | ChrisH | niXu: Do you have any apt-cacher, proxy between it? What IP did you ping? |
| 13:40.37 | niXu | no proxies, there's a ftp server |
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| 13:41.14 | niXu | no apt-cacher too |
| 13:41.26 | ChrisH | niXu: To make it short. Please show on paste.debian.net your pings and the apt-get update output, please. |
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| 13:44.16 | niXu | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/250504/ |
| 13:44.30 | niXu | i have that issues with these two repositories |
| 13:44.36 | niXu | i have another one and it works fine |
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| 13:47.31 | supp | Running Apache on squeeze. Is it considered bad practice to host a site's files in /var/www/sites.net instead of /var/www/sites.net/public_html or /var/www/sites.net/htdocs? I don't understand the purpose of the additional directory (since its parent directory contains nothing else) so I thought I'd ask. |
| 13:47.32 | ChrisH | niXu: apt resolves it in IPv6 and you ping in IPv4. Someone has to take over here on how to ping on IPv6 |
| 13:47.56 | Dagger2 | `ping6 security.debian.org` |
| 13:48.56 | niXu | thanks, no ping for both with IPv6 |
| 13:49.05 | r00t-err0r | -= Fewona =- New competition! Play eRepublik until lvl 18 via link http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Berem+Kartoni and earn VPS root :) Who grant highest lvl will be rooted :) |
| 13:49.07 | Dagger2 | does `ping6 2600::` work? |
| 13:49.28 | ChrisH | niXu: there you have your explanation. But I have no idea how to force apt to IPv4 only |
| 13:49.41 | niXu | Dagger2: no |
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| 13:49.53 | Dagger2 | I would prefer to fix the actual problem rather than just disable v6... |
| 13:49.58 | niXu | agreed |
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| 13:50.40 | Dagger2 | does `ifconfig | grep inet6` show any addresses that don't end with Scope:Link? |
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| 13:51.43 | niXu | Dagger2: yeah |
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| 13:52.12 | niXu | Dagger2: one ends with Scope:Global and another Scope:Host |
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| 13:52.54 | Dagger2 | Scope:Host is ::1 (i.e. localhost) |
| 13:52.58 | niXu | yup |
| 13:53.00 | niXu | checked it |
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| 13:53.13 | Dagger2 | the global address though... do you mind telling me what it is? |
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| 13:54.22 | niXu | Dagger2: inet6 addr: 2001:41d0:2:70cd::1/64 Scope:Global |
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| 13:55.01 | Dagger2 | and can you pastebin the output of `ip -6 r`? |
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| 13:56.28 | niXu | Dagger2: http://paste.debian.net/250505/ |
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| 13:57.56 | Dagger2 | that... looks like it _should_ work |
| 13:58.18 | Dagger2 | despite OVH's retardedness of having a gateway outside (what they claim is) your network |
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| 13:59.30 | Dagger2 | niXu: you're the second person I've seen with this problem at OVH in two days. that suggests to me that the problem might be with OVH's network rather than your system |
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| 13:59.56 | niXu | Dagger2: that's why it seems a OVH issue |
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| 14:00.07 | niXu | i was quite sure, that's why i just sent an email directly to their support |
| 14:00.14 | niXu | but they replied they don't offer support for software |
| 14:00.18 | niXu | or something like that |
| 14:00.29 | niXu | even when it's most likely to be their fault |
| 14:00.31 | Dagger2 | le sigh... OVH |
| 14:00.52 | niXu | i'm going to resend another email |
| 14:00.56 | niXu | explaining the issue |
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| 14:03.31 | Dagger2 | just in case... double-check that you're not dropping traffic in `ip6tables -vnL` |
| 14:03.45 | Dagger2 | if it helps any, the view from outside is that your gateway is pingable (64 bytes from 2001:41d0:2:70ff:ff:ff:ff:ff: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=134 ms) but your IP is not (From 2001:41d0::fa2 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable) |
| 14:04.16 | niXu | Dagger2: i think packages.dotdeb.org works becaue it's IPv4 |
| 14:04.20 | Dagger2 | normally that would mean that your gateway tried to do NDP for 2001:41d0:2:70cd::1 but failed to find a corresponding MAC address |
| 14:05.11 | Dagger2 | niXu: yeah. your system has a public v6 address, so it tries v6 first if available... but the v6 isn't actually working |
| 14:05.26 | niXu | Dagger2: :\ |
| 14:05.47 | Dagger2 | niXu: you could work around it by removing the v6 address, of course, but I'm not a fan of "disable v6 every time you see a colon in an error message" :/ |
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| 14:06.05 | niXu | Dagger2: yes i understand you |
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| 14:06.24 | Dagger2 | but if OVH's network is indeed broken then that's the appropriate thing to do |
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| 14:07.17 | niXu | Dagger2: i just wrote that to the support, about the network topology to be wrong and not my setup (i did no setup actually) |
| 14:07.57 | niXu | Dagger2: it might help them to see and fix the issue |
| 14:07.59 | Dagger2 | niXu: ugh... the thing is, their retardedness of gateway-outside-the-/64 is actually how they do their network |
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| 14:08.11 | niXu | mm |
| 14:08.17 | Dagger2 | I *think* your setup should work though, because it includes a specific route for the gateway |
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| 14:09.12 | niXu | Dagger2: there's a way to force IPv4 only for such repositories within apt.conf? |
| 14:09.23 | Dagger2 | (you could try removing the 2001:41d0:2:70cd::1/64 and replacing it with 2001:41d0:2:70cd::1/56 -- your "/64" is actually just a range of IPs on a /56, so that's how it should be configured) |
| 14:09.27 | niXu | just because i'd like to update |
| 14:09.36 | niXu | mm i see |
| 14:09.53 | niXu | i understand |
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| 14:10.29 | Dagger2 | not sure about apt, but lazy workaround: /etc/hosts |
| 14:10.55 | niXu | just to update than i will find a better solution i hope |
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| 14:14.22 | Dagger2 | do you understand enough tcpdump/NDP to get packet traces of the NDP traffic from the gateway? that might give a bit of extra information for OVH's support |
| 14:14.38 | Dagger2 | e.g. if it's not sending NDP at all, even when someone's trying to talk to you, then it's obviously their fault |
| 14:14.46 | niXu | Dagger2: unluckily not yet, but i'm read about it |
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| 14:15.10 | Dagger2 | it's basically the same as ARP, if you know that |
| 14:15.14 | niXu | yes |
| 14:15.31 | workingcats | hello, i'm trying to build a kernel and it's taken 6GB space already, is that normal? |
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| 14:15.48 | workingcats | i'm using "fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic" |
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| 14:17.13 | cirrus] | hi |
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| 14:17.47 | cirrus] | I have question about XFCE, can I? |
| 14:17.50 | Dagger2 | niXu: `tcpdump -eni eth0 icmp6` should be enough to display NDP traffic (plus pings etc, but ah well). it mostly looks like ARP with longer addresses |
| 14:18.26 | petn-randall | workingcats: It strongly depends on which kernel with which config you're building ... |
| 14:18.30 | mtn | cirrus]: you don't need to ask to ask, just go ahead and ask |
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| 14:19.15 | cirrus] | so: it's a detail, but it really annoys me. how can I center window buttons on bar? |
| 14:19.18 | workingcats | petn-randall, 3.2.0-40-generic #64-Ubuntu on amd64 with default options except turning off IPv6 but turning on /proc/config.gz |
| 14:19.20 | cirrus] | in XFCW |
| 14:19.23 | cirrus] | *XFCE |
| 14:19.47 | workingcats | but I think i found the answer |
| 14:20.20 | workingcats | yep it's normal.. well i guess i better expand that VM image then |
| 14:20.26 | niXu | Dagger2: they replied giving me an help where to configure ipv6 |
| 14:20.35 | niXu | help/page help |
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| 14:21.18 | Dagger2 | niXu: even though you didn't do any config yourself (and are presumably using OVH's default supplied config)? sigh |
| 14:21.37 | petn-randall | workingcats: You are aware that you're asking about an Ubuntu kernel in a Debian channel? |
| 14:21.39 | niXu | Dagger2: yeah.. |
| 14:22.40 | workingcats | petn-randall, yep. i figured since i merely need an order of magnitude answer it'll be the same |
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| 14:24.03 | Dagger2 | niXu: you could try doing `ip a d 2001:41d0:2:70cd::1/64 dev eth0; ip a a 2001:41d0:2:70cd::1/56 dev eth0`, but I don't think it'll help |
| 14:24.04 | petn-randall | workingcats: Ok, no prob. Keep in mind though that we generally only support Debian (and not derivates) on this support channel. |
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| 14:24.39 | niXu | Dagger2: to switch between /64 and /56? |
| 14:24.49 | Dagger2 | yeah |
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| 14:26.06 | jthomas_ | On a suggestion yetsterday to run Iceweasell from Experimental to get support with missing icons (which is still and issue), I now get 'The connection was reset' for every site I try to load. |
| 14:26.16 | niXu | Dagger2: yes it doesn't |
| 14:27.02 | petn-randall | jthomas_: What's you base system? squeeze/wheezy/sid? |
| 14:27.07 | Dagger2 | niXu: did you check `ip6tables -vnL` to see if you're dropping any traffic? |
| 14:27.16 | abrotman | jthomas_: SSL sites? |
| 14:27.16 | Dagger2 | (also make sure the policy isn't DROP) |
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| 14:28.35 | jthomas_ | abrotman all sites |
| 14:29.06 | jthomas_ | no iptables; running Testing with a full update on Tuesday |
| 14:30.11 | mtn | jthomas_: I don't think it has anything to do with iceweasel. works fine for me. |
| 14:30.41 | mtn | jthomas_: maybe try running it with a new user which has a new home directory |
| 14:30.59 | niXu | Dagger2: it's ok with iptables |
| 14:31.24 | jthomas_ | I also have official Mozilla Firefox and it too has missing icons all over http://imagebin.org/254412 , but Firefox does load webpages just fine, as do other browsers. I only have failed pages in Iceweasel. |
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| 14:32.02 | basic6 | I want to try replacing a failed disk in a zfs raidz array, so i've set up a test system (debian kbsd because i want to see how it works on freebsd eventually) with an array of 5 virtual disks. now i want to simulate some damage, i tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da3 but it says "operation not permitted" (which is a good thing, obviously). now, how could i damage data on this hdd without unmounting/exporting the whole pool? |
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| 14:32.39 | ksk | pull the hdd, put it in another computer, do the dd operation? |
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| 14:32.59 | ksk | (if thats possible and does not kill your hardware, guess that depends on the used controller somehow) |
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| 14:33.15 | basic6 | ksk: sure, i can do that without putting it in another computer, but like i said, i'd like to damage data without unmounting it |
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| 14:33.31 | basic6 | it sure is possible because it's virtual |
| 14:33.47 | Dagger2 | niXu: I'm about out of ideas then. your server looks fine to me, and combined with the other person I saw with this problem it seems pretty likely OVH have broken something on their side |
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| 14:36.58 | niXu | Dagger2: i think it too also because the page they gave is useless |
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| 14:37.32 | niXu | i already have an IPv6 kernel and it's enabled |
| 14:37.41 | niXu | that's not the issue |
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| 14:40.34 | workingcats | petn-randall, yeah sorry, but i only needed that rough answer that should be the same for both, and i havent had great experiences with #ubuntu with this level of question ;) |
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| 14:40.47 | workingcats | but thanks for the help, i'll make some space :) |
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| 14:41.36 | civillian | Evening all. I am about to migrate my 250G HDD to a 240G SSD. I'm using EFI, LVM and XFS. Any suggested approaches without a full reinstall? |
| 14:41.57 | cirrus] | noob question: how to check my current IP from terminal? |
| 14:42.01 | cirrus] | ifconfig? |
| 14:42.10 | civillian | EFI and /boot is outside LVM, root and others inside LVM |
| 14:42.17 | civillian | cirrus]: ip addr will also work |
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| 14:42.44 | gcr | hey, 'df' shows 0 blocks available for an ext3 filesystem, but I can still write to it. |
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| 14:42.47 | gcr | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 14:42.48 | gcr | /dev/md3 2884306136 2777442620 0 100% /backups/box1 |
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| 14:43.12 | gcr | On a scale of "no big deal, don't worry about it" to "holy crap hope you have backups," how concerned should I be? |
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| 14:43.40 | Dagger2 | gcr: closer to the former than the later |
| 14:43.52 | Dagger2 | gcmalloc: ext3 reserves 5% of disk space for root by default |
| 14:43.53 | Dagger2 | er |
| 14:43.54 | Towzzer | gcr, there are reserved blocks, normally 5% |
| 14:43.54 | jordanm | gcr, some blocks are reserved for root |
| 14:43.59 | Dagger2 | gcr* |
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| 14:44.04 | Towzzer | but you are getting to the danger zone! |
| 14:44.14 | gcr | Sure, but wouldn't it peak out at 95% use instead of falsely reporting 100%? |
| 14:44.20 | Dagger2 | non-root users will be getting out of space errors though, so you do need to free some up |
| 14:44.23 | civillian | "highway too the .... " |
| 14:44.27 | gcr | ah, ok |
| 14:44.56 | gcr | So it's likely just running out of disk space and df lying to cover up, and not corrupt metadata or anything |
| 14:45.03 | gcr | Thanks |
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| 14:45.49 | jelly | is there a way to list all the processes using inotify and the paths they're tracking, on i386 wheezy? |
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| 14:47.39 | cirrus] | is there any book like "Managing Debian server for idiots"? |
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| 14:48.53 | cirrus] | or manual? or not for idiots? |
| 14:49.11 | invariant | jelly, the kernel doesn't expose such an API. |
| 14:50.00 | invariant | jelly, but you should be able to output the watch list if you modify some kernel code. |
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| 14:50.30 | themill | you can ask the kernel to trace watches |
| 14:50.33 | invariant | jelly, it's also possible that you can track this via a system level tracer. |
| 14:50.43 | themill | jelly: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15509/whos-consuming-my-inotify-resources |
| 14:51.23 | aguitel | how upgrade squeeze to wheezy |
| 14:52.16 | civillian | aguitel: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:52.43 | invariant | themill, that doesn't show paths. |
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| 14:54.05 | frogsnot | cirrus]: there is this http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 14:54.57 | frogsnot | that is pretty official i think. It is mostly written by Raphael Hertzog, a long time contributor to debian |
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| 14:56.29 | themill | invariant: sure, but half the information is better than none of it |
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| 14:58.00 | jarray52 | When using wheezy("testing"), I'm getting messages that state Volume group "debian" not found. Skipping volume group debian. Unable to find LVM volume debian/root. Volume group "debian" not found Skipping volume group debian. Unable to find LVM volume debian/swap_1. This all happens before asking me to enter the passphrase for the encrypted LVM volume. Is this the normal behavior? |
| 14:58.25 | jelly | themill: thanks, having a way to track them after reboot is useful as well |
| 14:59.31 | themill | jelly: as with everything under /sys it requires some adaptation to the exact kernel you have |
| 14:59.46 | jelly | in this case, _something_ run in the X session eats around 128k fds every few days; the system gets uncomfortable after 500-600k fds are open |
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| 15:00.19 | jelly | I suspect an inotify user because lsof shows a mere 5-10k fds total |
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| 15:11.07 | cirrus] | hi, I have to download data from remote server without FTP (it can be uncrypted), and scp and rsync are too slow. is there any way to do it faster? |
| 15:11.39 | Towzzer | ftp-ssl? |
| 15:12.07 | et | are you working with machines from the last decade? |
| 15:12.22 | rozie | cirrus]: why to slow? what bandwidth do you have? |
| 15:12.40 | cirrus] | Towzzer, no, I have no ftp |
| 15:12.47 | cirrus] | et, no, why are you asking? |
| 15:13.14 | Towzzer | rsync is unencrypted in daemon mode |
| 15:13.42 | rozie | because encryption would slow transfer down only on weak CPU machines |
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| 15:14.04 | rozie | you probably have bandwidth or I/O problem |
| 15:14.05 | cirrus] | rozie, I have 12 Mb/s, server has huge bandwidth, and it copies with 50-110 Kb/s |
| 15:14.20 | cirrus] | Towzzer, hmm... it was actually through SSH |
| 15:14.22 | cirrus] | wait |
| 15:14.25 | Towzzer | cirrus, are they small files? |
| 15:14.29 | cirrus] | I will set up rsync on second server |
| 15:14.30 | et | that is not caused by encryption |
| 15:14.41 | cirrus] | no, huge files, 5 x 5-10 GB |
| 15:15.10 | rozie | cirrus]: what is transfer with wget (some other file) |
| 15:15.33 | et | you can easily saturate 100mbit even with old machines with ssh/rsync/scp |
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| 15:15.41 | Towzzer | wget http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test |
| 15:15.44 | Towzzer | on the server you transfer to |
| 15:16.05 | cirrus] | 1.5 M/s |
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| 15:16.12 | cirrus] | on destination |
| 15:16.16 | rozie | Towzzer: pointless. if there's network issue it can be only between those 2 computers |
| 15:16.17 | cirrus] | and on source, wait a sec |
| 15:16.30 | et | when i use rsync, it's the harddisk drive that limits the speed |
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| 15:17.38 | cirrus] | 1.5 M/s on server too |
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| 15:18.23 | rozie | still, it does not prove that you have 1,5 between source and destination |
| 15:18.38 | cirrus] | yup |
| 15:18.43 | cirrus] | how can I test it? |
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| 15:19.01 | rozie | transfer file between those locations with wget. or ftp |
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| 15:19.41 | cirrus] | hmm, wget needs http address? |
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| 15:20.56 | ksk | cirrus]: or ftp, see "man wget" |
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| 15:21.17 | cirrus] | ok |
| 15:22.15 | rozie | OK, weekend has started. bbl |
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| 15:26.48 | apm1 | can i chroot into a debian install on a usb flash drive from another debian install on my HD and install packages ? |
| 15:27.34 | apm1 | i mean like doing "chroot /dev/sdc" |
| 15:27.54 | apm1 | "apt-get install XXX" |
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| 15:28.56 | jelly | apm1: more like mkdir /mnt/debian; mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/debian; chroot /mnt/debian |
| 15:29.09 | danols_work_ | I have been at this for 2 days now, I have pptpd setup and windows can connect, but in the logs I see: Apr 19 11:14:52 sh1 kernel: ppp0: ppp: compressor dropped pkt Apr 19 11:14:52 sh1 kernel: mppe_compress[0]: osize too small! (have: 1404 need: 1408) |
| 15:29.45 | danols_work_ | and the connection seems to be choppy - running ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1408 get's rid of the error |
| 15:29.47 | danols_work_ | any suggestions ? |
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| 15:30.16 | apm1 | jelly, thank you so much mate :) |
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| 15:32.35 | zykotick9 | jelly: while certainly not a set-in-stone rule, i think /mnt should be left as a temporary mount point, and sub-dirs under /srv can be used for more permanent mount point(s). apm1 |
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| 15:33.34 | frogsnot | i usually get mount all jacked up after a few hours, and start making random directories in / |
| 15:33.47 | frogsnot | mount* /mnt |
| 15:33.47 | jelly | zykotick9: yup, and mounting a second installation is hardly permanent |
| 15:34.04 | apm1 | zykotick9, don't you think my purpose actually qualifies for a temporary mount ? |
| 15:34.20 | zykotick9 | jelly: well, that will teach me for not reading the scrollback ;) sorry, my bad. |
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| 15:34.48 | frogsnot | eh, zykotick9 has a point. a true chroot, ( not a seperate install) would be to access some software on at last a semi permanant basis |
| 15:34.55 | zykotick9 | apm1: if it is a temporary mount why not mount to /mnt? |
| 15:35.26 | frogsnot | I use /mnt, because i am never making chroots for the purpose of using them with my current system, but to roll them into new installs |
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| 15:37.33 | frogsnot | but if i wanted a seperate set of libraries that were incompatbile with the ones i currently have installed, I would make a chroot somewhere else other than /mnt. like zykotick9 said. Being that /mnt does have a tendency to get tons of stuff mounted to it on a temporary basis |
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| 15:39.27 | jelly | zykotick9: because what happens when you need TWO temp mounts at the same time! |
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| 15:42.48 | andkore | 10275 root 20 0 170m 52m 43m S 26.2 1.4 21:47.47 Xorg <-- anyone got ideas about that? |
| 15:42.54 | andkore | that's 26% cpu usage from Xorg |
| 15:43.15 | Towzzer | desktop stuff |
| 15:43.23 | andkore | what? |
| 15:43.39 | Towzzer | it's the base graphical system |
| 15:44.01 | andkore | I know what Xorg is. at idle it should be like ~3% cpu, not 30 |
| 15:44.10 | andkore | thanks though :) |
| 15:44.10 | Towzzer | oh |
| 15:44.41 | andkore | that's too much memory too |
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| 15:44.46 | andkore | I guess I have a memory leak |
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| 15:45.32 | jelly | andkore: it's not. X server mmaps video ram, you'd get less than those 43M if you killed it |
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| 15:45.43 | jelly | er, 52M |
| 15:46.04 | zykotick9 | jelly: there is nothing "wrong" with creating sub-dirs under /mnt, according to general hier rules - it's more the practice of making those permanent i have an issue with. sorry, i wasn't trying to cause problems, just share my 2 cents :) |
| 15:46.07 | andkore | I think it was under 10MB earlier. I'll have to check again when I restart |
| 15:46.31 | andkore | jelly: any idea about troubleshooting the cpu usage? |
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| 15:47.04 | jelly | andkore: no, I got a multicore machine and try not to think about it too much |
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| 15:47.24 | andkore | I hav a multicore machine too |
| 15:47.37 | andkore | but it still makes it noticeably laggy |
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| 15:49.39 | zykotick9 | andkore: what DE are you running? currently my Xorg is ".. 20 0 168m 19m 4852 S 0.7 0.5 154:39.36 Xorg" - but i'm running awesome. i noticed ubuntu machines typically have 30+% cpu usage, i blame compiz for that. |
| 15:49.56 | andkore | zykotick9: openbox |
| 15:50.13 | zykotick9 | andkore: wow, that's crazy then ;) good luck. |
| 15:50.18 | andkore | I have a compositing thing, but disabling it doesn't do anything |
| 15:50.25 | andkore | thanks |
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| 15:51.58 | andkore | hmm. terminator is using 1.5 GB of RAM... |
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| 15:52.46 | StarFscker | Hello Debian! I have a question if you'll hear it... |
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| 15:53.27 | StarFscker | I installed the nVidia proprietary driver a long time ago and it works pretty good, I can play Counter Strike easily enough |
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| 15:53.38 | StarFscker | but apparently, if I run glxinfo | grep direct |
| 15:53.45 | StarFscker | it says that I don't actually have direct rendering. |
| 15:53.51 | StarFscker | Can anyone help me figure out why? |
| 15:54.10 | babilen | StarFscker: How did you install it and could you paste the entire out of glxinfo and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:54.28 | StarFscker | I installed it with nVidia's proprietary installer |
| 15:54.31 | StarFscker | and yes, one second... |
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| 15:54.58 | babilen | okay, that is not really supported by us ... Are you on wheezy or squeeze and which GPU do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) |
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| 15:56.51 | StarFscker | I am on Sid |
| 15:56.54 | StarFscker | :| |
| 15:56.57 | StarFscker | :c |
| 15:57.00 | StarFscker | not supported here? |
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| 15:57.06 | StarFscker | http://paste.debian.net/250517/ |
| 15:57.21 | babilen | StarFscker: sid is (well, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net would be better), but I meant that we do not support the nvidia installer. |
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| 15:57.33 | StarFscker | oh okay |
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| 15:57.38 | babilen | It is easier and (IMHO) better to install the drivers "The Debian way" by following: |
| 15:57.49 | babilen | dpkg: nvidia dkms wheezy |
| 15:57.49 | dpkg | For Wheezy users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 15:58.03 | StarFscker | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 650M] [10de:0fd1] (rev a1) |
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| 15:58.09 | babilen | StarFscker: Those packages take care of recompiling the driver whenever you have to. |
| 15:58.18 | Onixs | hi... is gma3650 supported? |
| 15:58.35 | babilen | StarFscker: But let me take a look at what you pasted. |
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| 15:58.41 | StarFscker | ok |
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| 15:59.43 | babilen | StarFscker: Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log too? |
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| 16:01.13 | StarFscker | okay |
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| 16:02.23 | StarFscker | http://paste.debian.net/250518/ |
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| 16:02.38 | StarFscker | That is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:05.08 | raptor67782 | hi |
| 16:05.23 | raptor67782 | could we have this game please into our repositories?? |
| 16:05.29 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.35 | babilen | StarFscker: I am not sure why you get that output, but would blame the (more than suboptimal) nvidia installer. Would you mind trying the procedure outlined by our bot above? |
| 16:05.37 | raptor67782 | it is a sort of descent for minimal install |
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| 16:06.23 | babilen | StarFscker: Please note that once you've done that that you shouldn't need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf anymore as Xorg will already be configured to use nvidia in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and will autoconfigure the rest |
| 16:06.26 | StarFscker | Yes, essentially just install the packages he mentioned? |
| 16:06.39 | StarFscker | the robot |
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| 16:07.27 | StarFscker | ugh, what process is using dpkg? |
| 16:07.28 | raptor67782 | or this cool game : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtPrtNMAtrI |
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| 16:11.48 | StarFscker | I think I broke everything |
| 16:11.56 | StarFscker | and I don't even know how I did it. :| |
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| 16:12.17 | babilen | StarFscker: Could you elaborate on that? |
| 16:12.19 | StarFscker | I can't get into an x-session now |
| 16:12.22 | babilen | I was referring to: |
| 16:12.29 | babilen | dpkg: nvidia dkms wheezy |
| 16:12.29 | dpkg | For Wheezy users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 16:12.34 | StarFscker | yeah I ran that |
| 16:12.35 | babilen | Those instructions ^^^ |
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| 16:12.43 | babilen | StarFscker: Ok, and that succeeded? |
| 16:12.43 | StarFscker | it didn't run correctly because something else had the dpkg lock |
| 16:12.53 | StarFscker | so I had to shut down another program |
| 16:13.05 | StarFscker | and then everything went black |
| 16:13.09 | babilen | "shut down" ? |
| 16:13.12 | StarFscker | had a small blinking underscore in the center of the screen |
| 16:13.21 | StarFscker | so I waited a few seconds, restarted |
| 16:13.23 | StarFscker | and now x is broken |
| 16:13.44 | StarFscker | and I had to get into another terminal session in order to get back into irc |
| 16:13.49 | babilen | StarFscker: So you had another apt-get/aptitude/dpkg running that you then interrupted? |
| 16:14.04 | StarFscker | yeah but I have no idea what else could be running |
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| 16:14.13 | StarFscker | I checked all my ttys |
| 16:14.15 | StarFscker | htop |
| 16:14.16 | StarFscker | etc |
| 16:14.20 | StarFscker | didn't see anything |
| 16:14.22 | babilen | StarFscker: Ok, would you mind running aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms again? Please check that the compilation step *succeeds* for your card. |
| 16:14.50 | StarFscker | christ that's going to be a pain without a copy or a paste... but I'll try |
| 16:15.02 | ChibaPet | StarFscker: Do it inside screen. |
| 16:15.19 | nipsy | (or tmux) |
| 16:15.29 | StarFscker | I am not too good at those there things |
| 16:15.52 | babilen | StarFscker: No, just read the output. You don't have to paste anything. |
| 16:15.53 | nipsy | And if you ran the command before, it's probably in your bash history. |
| 16:15.55 | babilen | dpkg: nopaste |
| 16:15.55 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 16:15.58 | TuxCannon | Anyone knows how well the MSI 970A-G43 mainboard does work with Linux? |
| 16:16.13 | babilen | StarFscker: Ah, you mean the command ... we can make that easier :) |
| 16:16.33 | babilen | StarFscker: run "aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-headers-amd64" |
| 16:16.38 | StarFscker | :\ no commands in my bash history |
| 16:16.46 | StarFscker | it skips right to glxinfo |
| 16:16.50 | StarFscker | so some are missing from my history |
| 16:16.57 | StarFscker | I checked both root and my main account |
| 16:17.02 | babilen | StarFscker: The "uname -r|..." part is there only to figure out your architecture |
| 16:17.17 | nipsy | StarFscker: Do what babilen is suggesting. |
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| 16:17.37 | StarFscker | by the way, I'm getting an error message on F7 |
| 16:18.43 | StarFscker | firmware: Agent aborted loading rtl_nic/rt18168e-3.fw (not found?) |
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| 16:19.06 | babilen | StarFscker: That is unrelated (you are most likely missing the firmware-realtek package, install it) |
| 16:19.18 | babilen | judd: file rtl_nic/rt18168e-3.fw |
| 16:19.23 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 16:19.26 | babilen | judd: file rtl_nic/rt18168e-3.fw --release sid |
| 16:19.34 | judd | No packages in sid/i386 were found with that file. |
| 16:19.48 | StarFscker | alright let me get this dry-erase board squared away... |
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| 16:20.24 | babilen | Hmm, looks as if that firmware file is not in sid :-/ |
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| 16:23.03 | babilen | judd: file rtl8168e-3.fw --release sid |
| 16:23.07 | StarFscker | dpkg was interupted, let me fix that then I'll try the command again |
| 16:23.07 | dpkg | StarFscker: i don't know |
| 16:23.10 | judd | Search for rtl8168e-3.fw in sid/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw |
| 16:23.22 | jalalsfs | Is it safe to install MATE desktop on debian? |
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| 16:23.41 | babilen | StarFscker: yeah, and install the firmare-realtek package (it was rtl not rt1 :)) |
| 16:23.50 | babilen | jalalsfs: no |
| 16:23.59 | StarFscker | it wants me to run nvidia-uninstall |
| 16:24.07 | babilen | yes, that is normal |
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| 16:24.38 | jalalsfs | babilen, There's some conflicts? |
| 16:24.50 | StarFscker | I say N to running nvidia-restore-original-backups or something like that |
| 16:24.57 | babilen | It has to remove the "old" installation with the nvidia installer to replace it with its own packages. It will also fix a couple of libGL1 related links that might have been broken by the nvidia installer. |
| 16:24.58 | StarFscker | and now it appears to not be doing anything |
| 16:25.11 | StarFscker | wait, am I installing the free driver? |
| 16:25.16 | StarFscker | is that what's happening? |
| 16:25.49 | babilen | jalalsfs: We neither recommend nor support it. I would either: Install/Use a supported desktop environment such as: Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, KDE, Cinnamon or install a distribution that ships/supports MATE officially. |
| 16:26.12 | babilen | StarFscker: No, you are not installing the free driver but the nvidia driver packaged by us. |
| 16:26.37 | StarFscker | okay |
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| 16:26.59 | StarFscker | Here's what is happening: If I choose to not run nvidia-uninstall, it closes (obviously) |
| 16:27.03 | jalalsfs | babilen, Okay, thanks a lot. |
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| 16:27.12 | StarFscker | if I say "Yes" to restoring the original xorg.conf, it does nothing |
| 16:27.22 | StarFscker | if I say No to restoring the original xorg.conf, it also does nothing |
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| 16:27.37 | StarFscker | is it actually doing something, but taking a really long time or something? |
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| 16:27.59 | Dark_light | I've just downloaded a wheezy xfce iso and I was wondering why is it that during the install it has to retrive 985+ packages? |
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| 16:28.41 | StarFscker | so you get a bloody edged system that's fast as heck |
| 16:28.45 | babilen | StarFscker: Can you exit that with, say, "q" or so? |
| 16:28.52 | StarFscker | I ctrl-c'd out |
| 16:28.57 | zykotick9 | babilen: did you see mate-common was just added to experimental? jalalsfs so, someday, maybe it will be safe ;) |
| 16:29.08 | mordocai | Does anyone have a recommendation for server-side email filtering(into folders) for an exim smtp + courier-imap setup? Bonus points if I can have per-user configs. |
| 16:29.27 | Dark_light | StarFscker: yeah but I mean 985 updates? really? the rc has been out for what like 28 hours or less? |
| 16:29.29 | babilen | Dark_light: Outdated packages on the CD most likely ... You are now downloading the most recent version from the mirrors. |
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| 16:29.37 | Dark_light | *48 |
| 16:29.38 | babilen | zykotick9: was it? |
| 16:29.38 | jalalsfs | zykotick9, Nice news, thank you. |
| 16:29.58 | babilen | *wow* -- I really didn't expact that to happen in particular with all the code duplication in MATE |
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| 16:30.14 | StarFscker | it gives me an "errors were encountered" error with nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 16:30.21 | StarFscker | if I ctrl-c out of it |
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| 16:30.36 | babilen | growls |
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| 16:30.54 | Dark_light | it's literally taking as much time as downloading the iso, I really wonder why one would not just do a netinstall |
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| 16:31.05 | babilen | Dark_light: indeed ;) |
| 16:31.24 | StarFscker | you should be able to see what those packages are, why don't you share what the name of the packages it is downloading are? |
| 16:31.42 | dexta | prevening |
| 16:31.52 | babilen | StarFscker: Could you try running "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall" and "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,_old}" ? |
| 16:31.57 | Dark_light | StarFscker: I have no idea how to do it it just says retrieving file numbero of total |
| 16:32.17 | babilen | Dark_light: You can check on the other console (ALT-F4) to see the actual logs. |
| 16:32.23 | StarFscker | is there an arrow you can press to see more? |
| 16:32.25 | Dark_light | oh didn't know that |
| 16:32.34 | StarFscker | (me neither) |
| 16:32.40 | Dark_light | right now it's downloading samba-common-bin |
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| 16:33.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell Dark_light -about install xfce |
| 16:33.27 | babilen | Dark_light: Generally speaking I would have recommended to use the netinstall image (and in particular the one with firmware) to install Debian. |
| 16:33.40 | StarFscker | libglx.so is not a symbolic link |
| 16:34.08 | Dark_light | babilen: well I'm just surprised there are so many updates considering this iso is less than 2 days old |
| 16:34.16 | babilen | StarFscker: yes, the nvidia installer overwrites that file IIRC or messes with it. The nvidia-cleanup package should probably cover that ... |
| 16:34.22 | babilen | Dark_light: Oh, you are using a weekly? |
| 16:35.30 | StarFscker | I think I have PROGRESS! |
| 16:35.31 | Dark_light | babilen: hummm I might have downloaded the wrong one haha |
| 16:35.34 | StarFscker | dpkg is fixed! |
| 16:35.35 | dpkg | StarFscker: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:35.56 | babilen | StarFscker: I have to run now and will be back in a little while ... not entirely sure what you are running into, but I think that the nvidia-cleanup package will repair those broken links/overwritten files. |
| 16:35.56 | StarFscker | and it just installed that one line of code that was really long that I manually typed and it took about 4mb |
| 16:36.05 | babilen | wut? |
| 16:36.13 | StarFscker | the one the bot told me to do |
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| 16:36.48 | StarFscker | alright |
| 16:36.54 | StarFscker | so now I gotta get those RTL packages figured out... |
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| 16:37.45 | StarFscker | well let's try a reboot first... brb |
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| 16:42.21 | StarFscker | My X-session has returned! |
| 16:42.28 | StarFscker | and I am a bit farther in my quest to play Skyrim! |
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| 16:42.59 | StarFscker | it is because babilen is a bero |
| 16:43.01 | StarFscker | *hero |
| 16:43.03 | StarFscker | or a beero |
| 16:43.05 | StarFscker | I don't know. |
| 16:43.10 | StarFscker | But muchos gracias, senor. |
| 16:43.33 | StarFscker | My people shall sing songs of your triumph for the ages to come, and you shall be a thain in my halls. |
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| 16:44.41 | jelly-home | now send him beer money! |
| 16:45.01 | StarFscker | I don't know how! |
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| 16:45.10 | jelly-home | I bet he has a paypal |
| 16:45.32 | StarFscker | he ain't here now, though |
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| 16:46.39 | jelly-home | bastard ran away before beer |
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| 16:47.15 | StarFscker | dammit, I still need to configure a DLL or two |
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| 16:50.31 | jalalsfs | Is there in "aptitude" like that "apt-cache policy"? |
| 16:51.17 | jelly-home | not really |
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| 16:56.55 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to find the CPU which is closest to a given GPU in terms of PCI-e? |
| 16:58.40 | StarFscker | freack |
| 16:58.47 | StarFscker | I'm out of d3d adaptor memory |
| 16:58.53 | StarFscker | maybe I should scale stuff down a tad? |
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| 17:04.55 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 17:06.10 | lancelot_of | how to copy the current kernel properties into another downloaded kernel? |
| 17:06.15 | invariant | FilipeMaia, this depends mostly on workload. |
| 17:06.20 | lancelot_of | properties=settings |
| 17:06.45 | lancelot_of | i wouldn't spent more time in make menuconfig settings and recompiling, if possible |
| 17:06.46 | FilipeMaia | invariant: i mean in terms of topology in case of 2 socket motherboard |
| 17:07.15 | FilipeMaia | invariant: it's for a system with 4 GPUs and 2 sockets for computing |
| 17:07.21 | invariant | FilipeMaia, you want reduce latency? |
| 17:07.31 | invariant | FilipeMaia, it seems an odd thing to optimize for. |
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| 17:07.49 | FilipeMaia | invariant: yes and prevent the QPI link between the CPUs to be a bottleneck |
| 17:08.01 | invariant | !QPI |
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| 17:08.30 | invariant | FilipeMaia, I don't know. Why don't you ask Intel? |
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| 17:09.39 | thinkerweb | what happen if your system has apache2 and lightpd installed, how do you know which one is running, or you site is on? |
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| 17:10.39 | jelly-home | thinkerweb: use netstat or ss to see which service listens on which ip address and port |
| 17:11.34 | jelly-home | thinkerweb: netstat -tpln, for example |
| 17:11.35 | thinkerweb | jelly, thx |
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| 17:12.36 | thinkerweb | jelly-home, I see a some information, but still not use which is which between apache and lightpd |
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| 17:12.39 | jelly-home | thinkerweb: run it as root. |
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| 17:13.25 | thinkerweb | jelly, thank you, now I see apache2 named there |
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| 17:15.02 | Sevet | does anyone agree that this shouldn't be a release-critical bug? a normal/important severity seems more apropos http://bugs.debian.org/704422 |
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| 17:17.00 | Sevet | a new comment is still in the queue, but it turns out the segfault is only triggered because he has a config error - certainly doesn't make the package/system unusable |
| 17:17.06 | lancelot_of | no answers for me? |
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| 17:18.53 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: the distro kernel package provides a /boot/config-$(uname -r) file |
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| 17:22.02 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, thank you, so how to proceed? |
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| 17:22.29 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: what else do you need to know? |
| 17:22.39 | gcr | What package provides 'db_upgrade'? The slapd upgrade script broke my LDAP database. :< |
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| 17:25.15 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, do i have to copy /boot/config-'kernel1' into /boot/config-'kernel2'? |
| 17:26.10 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: oh! If you're trying to build your own kernel from source, copy the config file to the kernel tree as ".config" |
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| 17:26.58 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: you can then run "make oldconfig" to let the newer tree ask you for config settings that never even existed in the distro kernel version |
| 17:27.11 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, no i'd like to download an image from repos |
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| 17:28.01 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: the images are prebuilt binaries. What's your actual goal? What happens to not work? |
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| 17:29.44 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, i'm running kernel 3.5-5 compiled from source with some settings specific for my machine. I'd like to try 3.8 image in deb repos because sometimes my present kernel has some bad features |
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| 17:30.23 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: so try it. |
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| 17:30.48 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 17:30.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 17:31.03 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:31.20 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, just to be sure, so i download the image from repo, then copy /boot/config-3.5-5 to /boot/config-3.8? |
| 17:31.30 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, debian wheezy |
| 17:32.45 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: do you want to try the debian binary, ready made image, or do you want to get debian's sources and build a custom kernel again? |
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| 17:33.08 | zinx | ok i'm getting pretty annoyed at this - anyone know how to make xscreensaver in sid unidle on keypress when using xinput for the [usb] keyboard? works fine on mouse, just not keyboard. |
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| 17:34.25 | zinx | for reference, it's bug #678279 |
| 17:35.07 | StarFscker | glxinfo | grep OpenGL |
| 17:35.10 | StarFscker | whoops. |
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| 17:35.59 | StarFscker | Alright, after installing the proprietary driver from the debian repositories, I now must re-install the nVidia-provided driver because the debian one is too old |
| 17:36.01 | StarFscker | :c |
| 17:36.38 | nipsy | Too old? |
| 17:37.01 | nipsy | I'm running 304.88 at the moment. Is that too old? |
| 17:37.33 | nipsy | And 313.30 is currently in experimental. |
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| 17:37.56 | zinx | StarFscker: i would strongly recommend against using the nVidia installer on a Debian system |
| 17:38.24 | zinx | StarFscker: if you do, make sure you set up a diversion package for the GL libraries |
| 17:38.33 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-glx |
| 17:38.34 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 304.88-1; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1; experimental/non-free: 313.30-1 |
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| 17:38.44 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, ready made image, as i told |
| 17:39.03 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: then there are no config settings to copy |
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| 17:39.20 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: these are compile-time settings |
| 17:39.50 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, ok so i will download sources and compile again as you suggested me before... |
| 17:39.56 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: why? |
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| 17:40.15 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: I didn't suggest it, I assumed you wanted to do just that |
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| 17:48.12 | bumbar | how can i replace string in several files recursivly? |
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| 17:48.52 | ChibaPet | bumbar - look at 'sed -i', possibly driven by 'find -execdir' |
| 17:49.01 | jelly-home | bumbar: use find to pick the files. Use find's actions in bulk to do a sed operation on them. |
| 17:49.06 | jelly-home | !tell bumbar about using find |
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| 17:52.53 | jhutchins_wk | What's the rsync command to compare only? |
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| 17:56.02 | ChibaPet | jhutchins_wk: I'm not aware of one. mtree or find driving cksum seem reasonable. |
| 17:56.17 | bumbar | sed -i -r old/new, would that be correct? |
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| 17:56.56 | ChibaPet | bumbar: that might be a shortcut, but s/old/new/ is more standard. You might not need -r depending on what you're doing. |
| 17:57.33 | bumbar | ChibaPet, what is s? |
| 17:58.00 | ChibaPet | substitute |
| 17:58.07 | bumbar | also, some examples have g at the end, what is g? |
| 17:58.16 | ChibaPet | "every occurance" |
| 17:58.24 | ChibaPet | so, yeah, you might want s/old/new/g |
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| 18:02.54 | ksuhku | bumbar, dude read the manual page |
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| 18:05.04 | grawity | Packaging question. What *is* actually signed – the packages themselves, or only the database that `apt-get` downloads? |
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| 18:14.51 | jhutchins_wk | 2 |
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| 18:17.14 | Nirvash | Test? |
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| 18:17.48 | jelly-home | failed, Nirvash |
| 18:18.15 | Nirvash | Haha, I was quieted last night because I was excited about the Boston happenings. So what's going on? |
| 18:19.16 | jelly-home | Tech support is what's going on. Some _QUIET AND UNOBTRUSIVE_ enthusiasm about the announced release date, too. |
| 18:19.50 | jelly-home | Nirvash: for anything other than tech support, feel free to join #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:28.14 | Nirvash | jelly-home: "So what's going on?" == "What problems are you all having so that I can attempt to join the hive and assist." |
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| 18:29.44 | jelly-home | Nirvash: oh. Feel free to lurk and answer when you see a question you have expertise in. |
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| 18:35.56 | jhutchins_wk | Friday. Sun's out but it's still cold. Slow day here. |
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| 18:44.28 | brontosaurusrex | a good guide on making a home-brewed debian repository? |
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| 18:46.13 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ - also look at debmirror or apt-mirror |
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| 18:47.14 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins_wk, nah, i mean something unoffical/selfhosted for now |
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| 18:47.32 | Stameni | Does anyone have had expirience with installing salome and code aster on debian ?! |
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| 18:57.36 | Doragon | execuse me, when will the next stable version of debian get release? |
| 18:58.38 | gabedwrds | Doragon: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/04/msg00006.html May? |
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| 19:04.31 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: Yes, have a look at those items. |
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| 19:21.20 | djathoris | I have had a LaCie d2 dvd drive in a firewire enclosure. The dvd drive itself has failed, and I would like to use the enclosure for other devices like hard drives. But I can't because the Oxford 911+ firewire-ata bridge is "locked" in it's nvram. I have read there is software that can unlock it to use any device, but finding it is being difficult. Are there any linux packages that can perform such a task? |
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| 19:27.06 | cesurasean | how would i search my entire system and its files for this text, "-awstats_link"? |
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| 19:30.31 | alfplayer | cesurasean: maybe: grep -FRI -- -awstats_link |
| 19:30.41 | alfplayer | excluding binary files |
| 19:30.57 | cesurasean | nope. |
| 19:31.06 | alfplayer | that is for file contents |
| 19:31.15 | cesurasean | doesn't work. |
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| 19:31.34 | alfplayer | problem? |
| 19:32.32 | cesurasean | nothing is returned. |
| 19:32.40 | alfplayer | I never had to that |
| 19:32.42 | cesurasean | which is false. |
| 19:32.44 | alfplayer | to do that* |
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| 19:36.22 | peterrooney | grep -r --binary-files=without-match -- -awstats_link / |
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| 19:37.52 | peterrooney | or --binary-files=text if you think it could be hiding in an executable |
| 19:38.49 | nyuszika7h | hi, what's the best way to get the memory, swap and CPU usage from a bash script? |
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| 19:40.18 | project2501a | what's the irc server debian is hosted on? |
| 19:40.31 | project2501a | erh, the debian project hosted on, even |
| 19:40.50 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: irc.debian.org. It's OFTC. |
| 19:40.50 | ompaul | peterrooney: also this may help http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_setup.html |
| 19:41.01 | project2501a | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 19:53.59 | Dark_light | What's the cleanest way to install compiz on wheezy ? |
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| 19:56.15 | sweb | how can i set tcp forwarding just for one user ? |
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| 19:59.01 | jhutchins_wk | sweb: Doesn't work that way. |
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| 20:12.13 | listenpreis | hi |
| 20:12.23 | listenpreis | I think I have messed up my raid |
| 20:12.33 | listenpreis | I wanted to increase write / read perfmance |
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| 20:13.16 | ompaul | on raid |
| 20:13.22 | ompaul | grabs the popcorn |
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| 20:13.31 | EmleyMoor | listenpreis: What do you think you have done? |
| 20:13.49 | listenpreis | I made this: http://ticktoo.com/blog/32-Linux+Software+Raid%3A+mdadm+Performance+Tuning |
| 20:14.10 | listenpreis | except echo 8192 > /sys/block/md127/md/stripe_cache_size |
| 20:14.34 | EmleyMoor | listenpreis: md127??? |
| 20:14.36 | listenpreis | now it takes around 20 seconds until it gets speed when transfering onto the raid over gb ethernet |
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| 20:14.41 | listenpreis | yes, EmleyMoor |
| 20:15.25 | EmleyMoor | I'm not sure what the default is... |
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| 20:15.42 | listenpreis | my mdam is 127 |
| 20:16.44 | EmleyMoor | 256 is the stripe_cache_size on my system... |
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| 20:16.54 | listenpreis | I know |
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| 20:16.58 | listenpreis | that's default. |
| 20:17.10 | EmleyMoor | Can you pastebin /proc/mdstat? |
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| 20:19.17 | listenpreis | EmleyMoor: http://nopaste.info/73fb22fc94.html |
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| 20:20.05 | EmleyMoor | listenpreis: OK - can you try other values of stripe_cache_size? |
| 20:20.28 | listenpreis | maybe, EmleyMoor ... for example? |
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| 20:21.19 | EmleyMoor | Was 256 better than 8192? If so, try 4096... |
| 20:21.56 | listenpreis | yes was a bit better |
| 20:22.02 | listenpreis | not on max transfer speeds though |
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| 20:23.04 | listenpreis | trying |
| 20:25.12 | listenpreis | not getting better... download is now even slower |
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| 20:26.45 | EmleyMoor | I've never tuned it so I can't advise suitable values... |
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| 20:31.42 | listenpreis | okay set it back to 512 |
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| 20:41.47 | listenpreis | okay now it performs as wished |
| 20:41.50 | listenpreis | thx EmleyMoor |
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| 20:58.35 | straterra | I just did a fresh install of Squeeze and installed the Xen stuff as outlined at http://wiki.debian.org/Xen. However, I keep getting (XEN) d0:v0: unhandled page fault (ec=0000) when starting the Xen kernel.. |
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| 21:25.19 | joltcan | straterra: haven't used xen for a long time, but have you specified dom0 mem at boot? |
| 21:25.40 | joltcan | straterra: like dom0_mem=XXXXM |
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| 21:27.07 | joltcan | straterra: like the "configuring domain 0 memory" in the section at http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Other_configuration_tweaks |
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| 21:27.51 | abyxcos | Can anyone recommend some resources for casual gaming laptop hardware? Tried #winehq, but no luck so far. |
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| 21:30.24 | msn | I am having an oddissue, I am trying to change the ip address of the nfs server, but the client is picking up the old address even when the old address is inactive |
| 21:30.56 | Dark_light | I've installed cairo dock on wheezy but when I try to look at the shortcuts I can't see any as it says it doesn't find any bookmark |
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| 21:46.49 | straterra | joltcan: I haven't. I was going to let it balloon |
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| 21:55.48 | straterra | Also, that didnt work |
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| 22:02.52 | andre | hello all |
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| 22:04.48 | andre | will debian update "flashplugin-nonfree" in next years, when adobe is create a new bugfixed version? eg: 11.2.202.360 |
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| 22:05.25 | EmleyMoor | andre: It's not the Debian side that needs updating |
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| 22:05.42 | EmleyMoor | update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 22:05.46 | slooth | Hello, I'm having some problems with my 802.11n connectivity while using ath9k. If I were to try compat_drivers, should I expect anything more? Thanks |
| 22:05.56 | somiaj | yea that is just a script which gets the newest version from adobe for you |
| 22:06.05 | msn | I built a local repo using apt-miror but while apt-get update worked fine on the remote on i still get i18n missing for some enteries |
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| 22:06.24 | andre | EmleyMoor - thanks !! |
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| 22:20.00 | mmnicolas | andre: hopefully, flash will be dead in the next few years |
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| 22:21.24 | andre | hopefully - but hope html5 codecs will be better then... at time flash is much faster |
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| 22:34.25 | qkzoo1978 | Anyone have any experience with ssmtp that they could give me a hand? |
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| 22:46.22 | qkzoo1978 | Can anybody tell me where I might get some assistance fixing my ssmtp setup? I'm stumped. |
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| 22:49.39 | qkzoo1978 | Anyone know why I am getting two emails for every use of ssmtp sending mail? |
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| 22:50.49 | W4RH4WK | just configured hardware raid (raid 5 with 4 drives) on a computer and now installing debian. when it gets to partitioning i see the 4 disks, is this the correct way it should be? |
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| 22:53.35 | smw | how long are releases guaranteed for? Is it published when squeeze or wheezy will EOL? |
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| 22:56.41 | usrnix | Are there any facilities in APT or Aptitude for downloading source instead of .deb's and a FreeBSD Ports-like system for compiling them (i.e. a graphical multiple-choice form of features to include), it doesn't have to be in the same program if there's soemthing for Ports-like compiling and I have to manually download source via apt first |
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| 22:58.56 | andre | another security question, is it better to use torchat from debian, ot better to use original-version from website? the version from website is newer... (perhaps some newer bugfixes?) |
| 22:59.10 | zykotick9 | usrnix: check out the !ssb ("/msg dpkg ssb") instructions, and try to adapt them to your needs. tjat assumes you have a deb-src line for the repo in your source.list. there is also an "apt-get source foo" i believe. good luck. |
| 22:59.33 | usrnix | andre: that's always the case rly but debian packages bugfixes, it just might be missing features if the project has releases like that |
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| 23:00.20 | zykotick9 | andre: 9 times out of 10, i'd say go with the debian repo version. |
| 23:00.23 | andre | rly ? sorry my english issent perfect |
| 23:01.05 | ecksun | can the wheezy installer install to the same device as it is running from? (I want to install debian using the debian installer to a raspberry pi) |
| 23:01.07 | enyc | hrrm |
| 23:01.14 | enyc | packages.debian.org seems to be outdated data somehow =( |
| 23:01.16 | usrnix | andre: yea debian is safe |
| 23:01.27 | usrnix | enyc: how so |
| 23:01.35 | enyc | usrnix: outdated package data seemingly |
| 23:01.38 | LordShiva | I'm having problem with sound on wine on my Debian wheezy box. I have wine 1.4 installed because again wine 1.5.5 when I install crash some of the programs and games I use |
| 23:01.47 | andre | same question for firefox... icewearsel is 10.x - firefox 21.0 :-( |
| 23:01.55 | enyc | usrnix: e.g. security update appearing and installing but version not appearing on packages.debian.org |
| 23:02.15 | zykotick9 | andre: check mozilla.debian.net for newer versions of iceweasel |
| 23:02.30 | usrnix | enyc: do you mean debian's package doesn't match upstream? this is the case |
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| 23:02.53 | enyc | usrnix: no, i mean debian repositories for updates don't match packages.debian.org |
| 23:03.01 | usrnix | zykotick9: Does that method provide options to add features or does it simply compile it with the flags debian has normally? |
| 23:03.03 | LordShiva | Does anyone of you have sound in programs and game with wine 1.4 on debian wheezy ? |
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| 23:03.15 | usrnix | enyc: strange |
| 23:03.24 | enyc | usrnix: e.g. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xen-hypervisor-4.0-i386 showing (4.0.1-5.8) [security] but squeeze system already downloading 4.0.1-5.10 |
| 23:03.49 | zykotick9 | usrnix: i'm not sure, i'd think it would be possible to modify the source somehow (but not something i've personally done, or am aware of) |
| 23:03.51 | usrnix | maybe changes don't update that quickly, or they have to be done manually? |
| 23:04.22 | usrnix | zykotick9: alright thanks |
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| 23:04.44 | qkzoo1978 | Anyone know why I might be getting two emails for every use of ssmtp sending mail? I get one to my proper email, and one to my proper email that's bounced (ssmtp tries to send to linuxuser@mygmail@gmail.com)? |
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| 23:14.34 | ws2k3 | hello |
| 23:14.45 | ws2k3 | i'm tryng to setup ipv6 for my server |
| 23:14.59 | ws2k3 | but i'm unable to ping using ipv6 |
| 23:15.20 | ws2k3 | From fe80::2d0:ff:fefc:3000 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Beyond scope of source address |
| 23:15.47 | Dagger2 | you'll need a global address for global connectivity |
| 23:15.59 | Dagger2 | link-local is only valid on a single link |
| 23:16.17 | ws2k3 | as far as i know i have a global address |
| 23:16.25 | ws2k3 | the address is 2001:1AF8:4300:A005:004B:0000:0000:0001 |
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| 23:17.22 | ws2k3 | is that a public address? |
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| 23:17.52 | Dagger2 | yeah, it is |
| 23:18.06 | ws2k3 | can you maby try to ping it ? |
| 23:18.07 | Dagger2 | normally you'd drop the leading 0s and write it as 2001:1af8:4300:a005:4b::1, but same difference |
| 23:18.14 | Dagger2 | I tried, no response |
| 23:18.23 | Dagger2 | traceroute gets as far as 2001:1af8:4100::a |
| 23:18.33 | ws2k3 | i'm realy new to ipv6 |
| 23:18.39 | ws2k3 | so i dont know what that means |
| 23:18.56 | ws2k3 | my server is located at leaseweb in holland |
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| 23:20.11 | Dagger2 | can you pastebin `ifconfig` and `ip -6 r`? |
| 23:20.40 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/HkVurijE |
| 23:21.25 | Dagger2 | can you `ping6 2001:1af8:4300:a005::1`? |
| 23:21.38 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/feEvJTKf |
| 23:21.54 | ws2k3 | the last pastebin is as your requested |
| 23:21.58 | ws2k3 | yes i can ping that |
| 23:22.11 | ws2k3 | ping6 2001:1af8:4300:a005::1 gives me replay |
| 23:22.27 | Dagger2 | eth0 has no public v6 address in that paste |
| 23:23.39 | ws2k3 | what does that mean |
| 23:23.45 | ws2k3 | is my interfaces correct? |
| 23:24.30 | Dagger2 | your /etc/network/interfaces looks correct, but the config in it hasn't been applied to eth0 |
| 23:25.17 | ws2k3 | wel i created this interfaces |
| 23:25.20 | ws2k3 | and then i just rebooted |
| 23:25.29 | ws2k3 | do i need to do anything else ? |
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| 23:25.52 | ws2k3 | root@localhost:/etc/network# modprobe ipv6 |
| 23:25.53 | ws2k3 | FATAL: Module ipv6 not found. |
| 23:26.00 | ws2k3 | maby that means something? |
| 23:26.05 | Dagger2 | ah, remove that pre-up line |
| 23:26.10 | Dagger2 | the module is built-in nowadays |
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| 23:26.30 | Dagger2 | then do `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0` or reboot |
| 23:26.31 | ws2k3 | remove the entire line? |
| 23:26.37 | Dagger2 | yeah |
| 23:26.38 | ws2k3 | well i'm logge din with ssh |
| 23:26.59 | Dagger2 | if you do the ifdown/ifup from within `screen` you won't get disconnected |
| 23:27.15 | ws2k3 | so just start screen |
| 23:27.24 | ws2k3 | and in that screen just do ifdown |
| 23:27.27 | Dagger2 | (so long as you actually do issue `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0` and don't try to split them into separate lines) |
| 23:27.28 | ws2k3 | and ifup? |
| 23:27.53 | ws2k3 | so i need to start a screen session |
| 23:27.55 | ws2k3 | and run ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 23:28.05 | Dagger2 | yes, or just reboot |
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| 23:28.28 | ws2k3 | how should i start screen |
| 23:28.34 | ws2k3 | with only screen i get a manual |
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| 23:28.54 | Dagger2 | read the line at the bottom where it says to hit space |
| 23:29.00 | ws2k3 | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 23:29.01 | ws2k3 | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 23:29.01 | ws2k3 | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 23:29.35 | jalalsfs | How can I connect to Internet using Wireless from command line? |
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| 23:30.18 | Dagger2 | ok... maybe just rebooting would be better |
| 23:30.25 | ws2k3 | hmm okay |
| 23:30.41 | ws2k3 | well i run some servers on it and they are still running |
| 23:30.47 | ws2k3 | and i prefer to dont bring them down |
| 23:30.56 | ws2k3 | but there is no other way ? |
| 23:31.29 | zykotick9 | jalalsfs: it can be done through /etc/networks/interfaces, or manually (somehow), or wicd-curses is what i personally use. good luck. |
| 23:31.41 | Dagger2 | you can probably run `ip a a 2001:1af8:4300:a005:4b::1/64 dev eth0` to manually set it up |
| 23:31.50 | Dagger2 | it's just that you won't know if /e/n/i is correct until you next reboot |
| 23:32.27 | zykotick9 | Dagger2: that's actually what ifdown and ifup are for ;) |
| 23:32.30 | ws2k3 | do i need to do that in screen to ? |
| 23:33.10 | Dagger2 | ws2k3: it doesn't matter. I suggest doing all admin work inside screen in general though, in case you get disconnected |
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| 23:33.32 | ws2k3 | hmm okay |
| 23:33.57 | Dagger2 | zykotick9: the problem is that `ifup` configured v4, but then the pre-up line for the inet6 block failed, so the interface was left marked as down |
| 23:34.04 | ws2k3 | i did : ip a a 2001:1af8:4300:a005:4b::1/64 dev eth0 and now i'm able to ping google.nl |
| 23:34.23 | Dagger2 | so he can't `ifdown` (because the interface isn't up), and he can't `ifup` because it tries to add the v4 config and fails because the v4 config is already there |
| 23:34.42 | zykotick9 | Dagger2: oh sorry, i thought you where commenting on my reply to jalalsfs ;) 2 converstations dealing with /e/n/i at the same time. my bad. |
| 23:35.05 | Dagger2 | ws2k3: I can ping you too, so yay. and I *think* your /e/n/i is fine, but you should make sure to check before you forget about it |
| 23:35.15 | ws2k3 | what ie eni? |
| 23:35.24 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.27 | Dagger2 | zykotick9: ah, didn't even notice your conversation, sorry about that |
| 23:35.41 | Dagger2 | /e/n/i = /etc/network/interfaces, I just can't be bothered to type it out every time |
| 23:35.49 | ws2k3 | i understand :) |
| 23:35.53 | ws2k3 | makes clear to me now |
| 23:36.00 | ws2k3 | so i''m setup fine now ? |
| 23:36.05 | ws2k3 | i commented thet pre rule out |
| 23:36.32 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/dbg9qdKy |
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| 23:36.53 | Dagger2 | I *think* so, but nothing beats actually testing |
| 23:37.00 | ws2k3 | nno i understand |
| 23:37.09 | ws2k3 | but i can take pretty long before we go reboot this machine |
| 23:37.25 | ws2k3 | i should just keep it in mind to think about that when the time is there |
| 23:38.24 | Dagger2 | ws2k3: I find that I completely forget if I leave it for more than a few days, which can be a pain |
| 23:38.48 | ws2k3 | i understand |
| 23:38.56 | ws2k3 | so you recommand just reboot now |
| 23:39.02 | Dagger2 | I have an empty 40 GB drive in my server, which I tried to unplug yesterday. turns out my bootloader is on it and the machine won't boot without it |
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| 23:39.23 | ws2k3 | lolz :P |
| 23:39.33 | Dagger2 | I still haven't fixed the bootloader. I'll probably try to remove that drive again in two months, and will have to work out why it doesn't boot again :( |
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| 23:40.06 | ws2k3 | lol thats a pain |
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| 23:41.01 | Dagger2 | you don't have to reboot *now*, you can wait until your server is most inactive, but I suggest getting it out of the way before you forget about it |
| 23:41.09 | jalalsfs | Thanks a lot zykotick9 Dagger2 |
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| 23:41.15 | ws2k3 | i understand |
| 23:41.20 | ws2k3 | well the most inactive is like now :P |
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| 23:45.04 | ws2k3 | dagger ok i rebooted |
| 23:45.08 | ws2k3 | wanne do a ping test on me? |
| 23:45.25 | Dagger2 | 64 bytes from 2001:1af8:4300:a005:4b::1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=44.0 ms \o/ |
| 23:45.43 | ws2k3 | nice |
| 23:45.50 | ws2k3 | lol 44 ms |
| 23:45.56 | ws2k3 | then you not that far away :P |
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| 23:47.55 | ws2k3 | can i ping my own website on ipv6 if i dont have ipv6? |
| 23:48.04 | ws2k3 | if i only have an ipv4 address |
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| 23:48.26 | ws2k3 | dagger maby you can explain this to me i know ipv4 and ipv6 are not compatible |
| 23:48.52 | ws2k3 | but why its not possible to do a connection to a location that server format the packet to ipv6 and reset it out with ipv6? |
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| 23:49.04 | ws2k3 | that would make the migration alot easyer for alot of people |
| 23:49.15 | ws2k3 | then it is compatible only with something in between |
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| 23:50.56 | Dagger2 | the summary is that you can't do communication between v4 and v6 because of the pigeon hole principle |
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| 23:51.37 | Dagger2 | there aren't enough addresses in v4 to uniquely identify all possible v6 endpoints (which is why we need v6 in the first place, of course) |
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| 23:52.10 | ws2k3 | ah yeah i understand |
| 23:52.12 | dfx | hello guya |
| 23:52.22 | ws2k3 | no but i mean to a ipv6 address as a router |
| 23:52.27 | ws2k3 | as NAT |
| 23:52.28 | dfx | how can i kno if my ethernet controlle is supported |
| 23:52.42 | dfx | i looked in the wiki but with no success |
| 23:53.11 | phogg | There are 1337 people here. |
| 23:53.16 | phogg | Just thought you'd all like to know. |
| 23:53.19 | ws2k3 | like i am on ipv4 i connect over ipv4 to a server and that server forward my connection to the ipv6 destenation i which |
| 23:53.35 | dfx | this is what i got 00:14.4 PCI bridge: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.] IXP200 3COM 3C920B Ethernet Controller |
| 23:53.35 | dfx | 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Device 0612:8290 with lspci |
| 23:53.35 | dfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.48 | Dagger2 | there's two ways to kinda work around that. one is to stash the extra 96 bits in the packet somewhere (that's 6to4), and the other is to dynamically assign mappings between v4 and v6 as needed... which is what you're thinking of, and it's called NAT64 and it does exist |
| 23:54.00 | ws2k3 | just to transelate ipv4 to ipv6 i understand there arent enouch ipv4 address to cover the ipv6 addresses but that was not my idea |
| 23:54.17 | Dagger2 | problem is, NAT64 has most of the problems of NAT on v4, but it also has some extra ones |
| 23:54.21 | Dagger2 | it's just easier to do dual stack |
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| 23:55.02 | ws2k3 | i understan |
| 23:55.08 | ws2k3 | i was just thinking and asking:) |
| 23:55.22 | ws2k3 | but the future if ipv6 is pretty awesome |
| 23:55.31 | ws2k3 | every device i own can have it ownd ip adres |
| 23:55.43 | ws2k3 | fridge microwave etc |
| 23:56.05 | ws2k3 | can be pretty awesome but at the same time also pretty dangerouse |
| 23:56.33 | ws2k3 | we are now waiting for the moment an manufacturer forgets to fix one thing in his device and they all get hacked |
| 23:56.34 | Dagger2 | it's not really dangerous. you have a firewall, right? |
| 23:56.39 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse i have |
| 23:56.45 | hermod | hi everyone! is there any spam filter like spamassassin or dspam which is currently under active development? both seem to be "dead". (dspam last year, spamassassin 2011) |
| 23:57.19 | hermod | google gives me no meaningful results fro "dspam alternative" etc |
| 23:57.24 | ws2k3 | dagger can you test if you can connect with ssh over ipv6 to my machine? |
| 23:57.27 | ws2k3 | just for the test |
| 23:57.44 | Dagger2 | I can |
| 23:57.47 | dfx | can someone help me |
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| 23:58.27 | ws2k3 | lol |
| 23:58.29 | ws2k3 | that not good :) |
| 23:59.23 | dfx | ws2k3: can you tell me please if this is supported on wheezy http://pastie.org/7668224 thanks |
| 23:59.35 | dfx | i dont kno how to verify this |
| 23:59.49 | ws2k3 | i dont know |
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| 23:59.50 | ws2k3 | cannot say |