| 00:00.04 | dfx | ws2k3: ok |
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| 00:02.43 | ws2k3 | dagger can you still ssh into it ? |
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| 00:02.50 | ws2k3 | can you reach the ssh server? |
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| 00:02.55 | ws2k3 | i have reviewed my firewall |
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| 00:03.49 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I was wondering if there are any tweaks or whatever to use Debian with Ardour/Mixbus, (multitrack recording) to optimize it for lowest latency etc? |
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| 00:05.23 | Dagger2 | ws2k3: nope |
| 00:05.30 | Dagger2 | personally I prefer to leave ssh open though |
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| 00:05.50 | Dagger2 | if you can't trust ssh to be secure enough then you can't trust anything |
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| 00:06.30 | ws2k3 | dagger i dont agree |
| 00:06.36 | ws2k3 | i have a test machine a while ago |
| 00:06.40 | ws2k3 | with ssh2 open |
| 00:06.47 | ws2k3 | within 2 week it was hacked |
| 00:06.57 | ws2k3 | i only forwared port 22 to it |
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| 00:07.18 | ws2k3 | the firewall has a whitelist of all prople and engineer that should be able to connect |
| 00:07.41 | Dagger2 | disable password auth, of course |
| 00:07.58 | Dagger2 | other than that you should be fine with ssh |
| 00:08.06 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 00:08.15 | ws2k3 | only i never wokred with that sha keys before |
| 00:08.22 | ws2k3 | i dont exact how it works never used it |
| 00:08.36 | Dagger2 | learn |
| 00:08.42 | Dagger2 | seriously... passwords are a pain |
| 00:08.59 | ws2k3 | well this way i'm pretty secure to :P |
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| 00:09.21 | ws2k3 | or why is ssh keys somuch better? |
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| 00:09.39 | usrnix | Hi I just installed apache2 and my .htaccess file in the root dir with just "Options -Indexes" which worked on my old serv is causing an error, might I have made a mistake somehow? |
| 00:10.00 | Dagger2 | having to type passwords out all the time is annoying |
| 00:10.03 | Dagger2 | you can avoid doing that with keys |
| 00:10.10 | ws2k3 | yeah i understand |
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| 00:10.20 | ws2k3 | well i just builded a script on my pc that i launch |
| 00:10.26 | ws2k3 | it opens all ssh connections i need :P |
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| 00:10.38 | ws2k3 | so that way i dont have to type the password every time |
| 00:10.53 | Dagger2 | just set up key auth, seriously |
| 00:11.07 | ws2k3 | but what i did is pretty bad because i search a sollution for a problem that never exsisted :P |
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| 00:12.49 | andre | hi all |
| 00:13.16 | andre | anyone can explain me the difference between main repository, and update repository? |
| 00:13.45 | usrnix | they same? |
| 00:13.54 | dvs | andre: it depends which update repo you're talking about. |
| 00:14.56 | andre | i copy/pasted that: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:15.05 | usrnix | So people know since I just figured this out; if someone follows debian.org's LAMP instructions and uses a2enmod userdir, their .htaccess files will cause 502's (at least if they contain an Options directive) |
| 00:15.07 | andre | and dont understand that |
| 00:16.00 | dvs | andre: That repo are for packages that get frequently updated such as virus signatures. |
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| 00:17.04 | andre | okay, but that doesnt mean debian7.0 to debian8.0 upgrades? |
| 00:17.21 | dvs | no |
| 00:17.28 | andre | ok |
| 00:18.28 | andre | ok thx |
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| 00:19.27 | vasco_ | what are likely alternatives to ntp for time sync'ing? some servers clock is off, but ntp is not installed |
| 00:19.33 | ws2k3 | but dagger thx so far |
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| 00:22.00 | Blue1 | using wheezy trying to install ia32-libs - what repo is it in? |
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| 00:24.07 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | Blue1: wheezy has multiarch-support |
| 00:24.16 | LtL | !tell Blue1 -about multiarch |
| 00:24.26 | LtL | Blue1: read msg from dpkg |
| 00:26.22 | Blue1 | LtL: so If I am understanding this right - they should just already be there? have to try skype and find out I guess. |
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| 00:29.28 | LtL | Blue1: details here, http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 00:30.05 | Blue1 | thanks |
| 00:30.14 | LtL | sure :) |
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| 00:50.58 | citanul | MXM: no VBIOS data, nothing to do |
| 00:51.11 | citanul | Does that mean I'm screwed? (a nouveau message) |
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| 00:52.23 | converge | does someone knows where can I find the snmpwalk program on debian ? |
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| 00:53.18 | citanul | hello, I'm trying to make an NV17 Nvidia GeForce4 MX 420 card work on powerpc, but it won't work at all with nouveau... |
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| 01:07.32 | converge | does someone use observium ? |
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| 01:18.16 | mordocai | Does anyone know of a good tutorial for setting up maildrop to work with exim? I have found lots of general maildrop tutorials, but I want to avoid any exim compat gotchas |
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| 01:22.55 | mordocai | Meh... looks like the package may set it up right actually. I'm going to test |
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| 01:23.41 | cirdan | hey is there any way to convert the vmware installer into a deb? |
| 01:25.39 | cirdan | or does it not matter |
| 01:25.54 | dfx | hello guys |
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| 01:26.09 | dfx | when i type lspci i get 02:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Device [0612:8290] |
| 01:26.11 | dfx | Subsystem: Device [5005:0000] |
| 01:26.33 | dfx | and my network card its not dtected how can i fix this |
| 01:28.08 | dvs | ,pciid 0612:8290 |
| 01:28.10 | judd | [0612:8290] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0612:8290 |
| 01:31.05 | dfx | so i wont get itto work ?? right ? |
| 01:31.29 | dvs | right |
| 01:31.31 | dfx | i looked at this site and got nethin on eth line |
| 01:31.47 | Blue1 | can someone help me with setting up multiarch in wheezy? this makes no sense at all: ki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 01:32.03 | Blue1 | err wiki. |
| 01:32.05 | dfx | dvs: and it may works in some other distro's ?? |
| 01:32.23 | dvs | dfx: doubt it. |
| 01:33.39 | dfx | dvs: btw i do lscpi i got a line where i have bridge and there i have AMD ATI what does that do ? |
| 01:33.46 | dfx | and mean dvs |
| 01:34.37 | dvs | dfx: Probably has something to do with the chipset. |
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| 02:15.29 | cusco | whats that url handler package? |
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| 02:22.24 | elvis4526 | Hi. Why the shell isn't displaying file that I indexed in tracker ? |
| 02:22.35 | elvis4526 | For instance, I have a lot of files inside the Videos folder, and I can see in the parameter that this folder is in the configuration |
| 02:22.50 | elvis4526 | but when I type the name of the file in the shell, it doesnt find anything |
| 02:23.00 | elvis4526 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:46.55 | ootput | iotop shows activity (disk writes) on the / partition of my ssd drive courtesy of jbd2 (which I'm assuming is for Ext4 journaling). To prolong the life of my SSD, can this activity be reduced in any way? My / partition is mounted noatime,discard, and I'm running the wheezy kernel (3.2.0-4-amd64) |
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| 02:49.56 | cusco | I read something a guy did .. some option in grub to load some triver with some option |
| 02:50.02 | cusco | 'some sme some' |
| 02:50.08 | cusco | but I can't recall the link |
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| 02:58.33 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | ootput: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Tips_for_Minimizing_SSD_Read.2FWrites |
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| 02:59.37 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | ootput_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Tips_for_Minimizing_SSD_Read.2FWrites |
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| 03:01.39 | ootput_ | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: thanks, I'll take a peek at that later |
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| 03:30.38 | azaza | sup guys. Ive installed Win7 (= (), and my GRUB died heroically. So. The question is "How do I shot web^W^W recover my grub without redownloading the whole debian .iso ?" |
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| 03:31.50 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | azaza: boot from the CD, mount the debian partition, chroot, then update-grub |
| 03:32.13 | denseacat | I've installed from USB. |
| 03:32.18 | denseacat | And USB is no more. |
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| 03:32.50 | denseacat | I have another USB, completely empty |
| 03:33.51 | denseacat | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: So what i gonna do now? |
| 03:34.13 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | can you boot from anything to get into a live-cd environment |
| 03:35.47 | denseacat | Ok. let me ask in another way. Can I recover GRUB, WITHOUT redownloading the WHOLE debian installator? |
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| 03:37.11 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | no one said anything about downloading the debian installer, all you need is some way to chroot into your debian partition |
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| 03:38.41 | denseacat | can you give me the "RTFM!" message and link on the step-by-step manual, please? :) |
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| 03:40.33 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 03:40.47 | denseacat | Thank you. |
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| 03:43.12 | liptic | anyone here doing stuff with C++ GUI under linux ? |
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| 03:44.54 | Master | C++ GUI usually means Qt in the linux world. |
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| 03:46.31 | liptic | how about g++ ? |
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| 03:50.04 | bassgeisha | project is on tonight. |
| 03:50.20 | bassgeisha | finally figured out wtf to do with my old laptop |
| 03:50.24 | bassgeisha | ;] |
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| 03:58.06 | liptic | Mater : should i use GTK or QT ? i need it only for a single project. I actually use .net in windows, but now need one project working under linux |
| 03:58.14 | liptic | Master : * |
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| 04:02.12 | Daniel15 | liptic: You could use GTK# with C# using Mono if you like |
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| 04:02.27 | Daniel15 | If you want to use .NET for Linux apps |
| 04:03.08 | blackjack | hy |
| 04:03.39 | blackjack | i installed debian on virtualbox, i can ssh, but i can't ping google. etc |
| 04:03.53 | Master | liptic: both are fine. I personally prefer Qt, it works on every platforms. |
| 04:04.12 | blackjack | i use host only = vboxnet0 ip eth0 192.168.56.10 |
| 04:04.23 | liptic | Master: thnx |
| 04:04.27 | blackjack | my ip 192.168.20.10 |
| 04:04.33 | blackjack | can help my |
| 04:04.38 | Daniel15 | liptic: WxWidgets is another option if you want to develop a cross-platform app. It uses GTK on Linux and native Windows widgets on Windows. |
| 04:04.55 | Daniel15 | FileZilla is one app I can think of that uses wxWidgets. |
| 04:06.03 | Seekanet | babilen,you there friend? |
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| 04:18.59 | boudiccas | blackjack: ping 192.168.20.10 PING 192.168.20.10 (192.168.20.10) 56(84) bytes of data. --- 192.168.20.10 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 414ms |
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| 04:21.02 | LtL | boudiccas: 192.168.x.x is not a world routeable address |
| 04:22.00 | boudiccas | LtL: so i gather |
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| 04:23.06 | LtL | boudiccas: i wasn't exactly following, but i thought i would mention it, if it applies here :) |
| 04:23.53 | bassgeisha | dang it |
| 04:24.25 | bassgeisha | the windows install recognized the internet access ethernet but the debian install says autoconfig failed, despite DHCP |
| 04:26.14 | LtL | bassgeisha: probably just a firmware issue, continue install, grab firmware later and config network. |
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| 04:26.53 | bassgeisha | okay |
| 04:26.54 | bassgeisha | ty |
| 04:27.03 | LtL | np |
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| 04:28.48 | bassgeisha | heh auto partitioning disks |
| 04:28.53 | bassgeisha | crazy |
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| 04:34.42 | blackjack | boudiccas, can you help my |
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| 04:41.14 | zykotick9 | blackjack: i'm not sure, but if your using host only doesn't that make it a real network connect (ie. not NAT)? if so, then shouldn't they match 192.168.20 vs 192.168.1.50 parts, and differ on the last octet? |
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| 04:43.21 | zykotick9 | blackjack: sorry, extra 1 in the second ip address |
| 04:45.36 | bassgeisha | hrm |
| 04:45.41 | bassgeisha | well i have a terminal. |
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| 04:49.37 | zykotick9 | blackjack: please keep it in the channel! |
| 04:50.12 | blackjack | ok on adapter1 i use nat adapter2 host only |
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| 04:53.10 | zykotick9 | blackjack: i don't use vbox, so i'm no expert in there network setup. is your NAT network working for internet (adapter1 whatever that is)? i think your host only (adapter2 w.t.i) should match your physical network, i'm worried the gateway or something might be messed the way you have it currently. |
| 04:54.07 | blackjack | ok now working, i use adapter1 = nat, and adapter2 host only=for ssh , ok thank you very much zykotick9 |
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| 05:13.59 | aristarchus | i'm trying to record internal playback |
| 05:14.04 | aristarchus | is this possible? |
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| 05:21.29 | iyank4 | aristarchus, i think you can. try audacity |
| 05:21.58 | aristarchus | iyank4: do i need to install the "device toolbar"? |
| 05:22.12 | Voxon | hi everyone |
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| 06:04.50 | laurus | Is there a way to use a Debian system as a "backup drive" with some kind of physical connection between it and another computer? |
| 06:06.17 | ThatOneRoadie | laurus: and with that tiny but of curiosity, I'd like to welcome you to Network Attached Storage and Storage as a Network, or NAS/SAN |
| 06:06.28 | ThatOneRoadie | Prepare to have your mind exploded. |
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| 06:06.51 | normativebormati | what's this all about? |
| 06:06.54 | normativebormati | debian? |
| 06:07.06 | laurus | ThatOneRoadie, can that be done over, say, USB? |
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| 06:07.16 | laurus | Or ethernet cable? |
| 06:07.34 | ThatOneRoadie | I'm assuming it's something like this: Debian server <--> some REALLY FAST switch, like a gig ethernet switch <--> Pick-a-distro Linux client that has a folder needing to be sent to the server |
| 06:07.36 | ThatOneRoadie | ? |
| 06:08.04 | ThatOneRoadie | Or are you thinking this: |
| 06:08.25 | ThatOneRoadie | Debian server with a large drive in it <--> some REALLY FAST switch, like a gig ethernet switch <--> Pick-a-distro Linux client that wants to see that same drive as a mount point |
| 06:08.31 | laurus | I want to use this netbook like an external hard drive, basically |
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| 06:08.42 | ThatOneRoadie | ....... |
| 06:08.51 | ThatOneRoadie | It can be done over ethernet, yes |
| 06:09.03 | laurus | Do I need some kind of router in between the two computers? |
| 06:09.06 | ThatOneRoadie | yup |
| 06:09.18 | laurus | Sorry, I am really not knowledgeable about hardware stuff |
| 06:09.19 | laurus | OK. |
| 06:09.25 | ThatOneRoadie | there are two options: CIFS Sharing, which shares a folder over the network |
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| 06:09.29 | ThatOneRoadie | (That's NAS) |
| 06:09.58 | ThatOneRoadie | or iSCSI, which is more advanced, but lets the computer accessing the drive access it like it was physically attached to the computer itself (That's SAN) |
| 06:10.10 | laurus | Hmm, interesting |
| 06:10.20 | laurus | That sounds fine |
| 06:11.03 | ThatOneRoadie | Hmmmmmm |
| 06:11.11 | ThatOneRoadie | Can you afford to format the Netbook? |
| 06:11.32 | laurus | ThatOneRoadie, yeah! |
| 06:11.34 | ThatOneRoadie | i.e. is there anything on the netbook's drive you want to keep |
| 06:11.36 | ThatOneRoadie | awesome |
| 06:11.41 | ThatOneRoadie | Then have I got a distro for you |
| 06:11.42 | laurus | I now have a real laptop, that I want to transition to using |
| 06:11.42 | ThatOneRoadie | sec |
| 06:11.53 | ThatOneRoadie | http://www.freenas.org/ |
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| 06:11.54 | ThatOneRoadie | bam |
| 06:11.56 | laurus | But, I thought this would be a nice use for the netbook from now on. |
| 06:12.34 | laurus | Oh cool, thanks! I'll check this out. |
| 06:12.39 | ThatOneRoadie | laurus: NAS is how I retire old servers XD |
| 06:12.43 | laurus | Cool |
| 06:12.52 | ThatOneRoadie | I either use them as NAS/SAN boxes, or test bench servers |
| 06:12.58 | laurus | One somewhat unrelated question: If I have an external hard drive that may have been damaged, how do I do a physical full check on the disk? |
| 06:13.05 | ThatOneRoadie | windows or nix? |
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| 06:13.19 | laurus | It's Ext4, I think |
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| 06:15.52 | ThatOneRoadie | plug it in, do "sudo fdisk -l" from a terminal to find the mount point, then "sudo fsck -t ext4 /dev/sdc" or whatever it mounts as |
| 06:16.08 | ThatOneRoadie | that'll check the platters for loss |
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| 06:16.31 | laurus | Very cool, thanks. I'll do that. |
| 06:16.44 | ThatOneRoadie | then you can use a package called smartmontools to check physical parameters, like spin-up time or Seek error rate |
| 06:16.51 | laurus | Oh, fantastic. |
| 06:17.02 | ThatOneRoadie | as long as the USB drive has SMART Enabled (some do, some don't). See http://www.howtoforge.com/checking-hard-disk-sanity-with-smartmontools-debian-ubuntu |
| 06:17.14 | laurus | OK, thank you very much! |
| 06:17.38 | ThatOneRoadie | Not a problem :) |
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| 06:19.54 | laurus | Have a good day/evening! |
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| 06:28.57 | normativebormati | anyone wany asf cyber babes ya |
| 06:29.11 | normativebormati | got it a asf in a vice grip |
| 06:29.17 | normativebormati | try try so hardbaby ya |
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| 06:31.38 | normativebormati | take it fro mme manas |
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| 06:31.52 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | k |
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| 06:54.25 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 06:54.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 06:56.20 | Blue1 | I am having some problems configuring wireless in wheezy - can someone take a look at my /etc/network/interfaces and double check me: http://paste.debian.net/250603/ |
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| 07:01.48 | peterrooney | Blue1: you have wlan0 marked as "loopback" - which is normally the 127.0.0.0/8 netblock. try "dhcp" instead, and add some essid stanzas. That said, I recommend wicd. |
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| 07:04.31 | nocoast | does anyone in here use debian with i3? |
| 07:06.13 | Blue1 | peteerrooney thanks |
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| 07:10.44 | Blue1 | peterrooney: it now shows an additional interface in ifconfig -- wlan0:avahi Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 20:16:d8:e5:32:b4 inet addr:169.254.9.194 which is the wrong ip. |
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| 07:16.24 | Blue1 | peterrooney: says device NOT managed.... |
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| 07:31.43 | Blue1 | peterrooney: duh - system managed device - removed the iface line - works like downtown |
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| 08:13.16 | w|t | what's the difference between service apache2 restart and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart? |
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| 08:18.50 | project2501a | w|t not much |
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| 08:19.43 | project2501a | service apache2 restart is the sunos way of managing services |
| 08:19.58 | w|t | oh |
| 08:20.00 | w|t | ok, thanks |
| 08:20.14 | project2501a | if you are using traditional init scripts service calls /etc/init.d/<script> for you |
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| 08:20.33 | project2501a | if you are using upstart/systemd service does some more different thing |
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| 08:21.00 | project2501a | debian/redhat are congruing in the use of service, because it allows for more pluggable init stuff |
| 08:21.19 | project2501a | well, it allows plugings for upstart (bleh) / systemd |
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| 08:21.57 | w|t | also, how can i change http://website/~username to http://website ? |
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| 08:22.12 | w|t | i've enabled the user dir mode (public_html in /home/user) |
| 08:22.16 | w|t | not sure where to go though |
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| 08:25.11 | bw_ | w|t: just make /home/<your user>/public_html the docroot? |
| 08:25.44 | bw_ | you could go with mod_rewrite but it's quite painful;) |
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| 08:26.00 | kaste | hello, I just got a xen update and I'm wondering if it's safe to install ti but not reboot. |
| 08:26.16 | kaste | I tried googling a bit but there seems to be no guide addressing this |
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| 08:28.09 | bw_ | kaste: the DSA states about a problem in the HV which lives in kernel so a reboot is necessary i would say |
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| 08:29.47 | kaste | well In that case i would just ignore the update for a while |
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| 08:43.40 | apm1 | i debootstrapped a base system |
| 08:44.01 | apm1 | and then i chrooted into it and changed my sources.list |
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| 08:44.15 | apm1 | and subsequently ran a few apt operation |
| 08:44.32 | apm1 | a update and dist-upgrade and installed a couple of packages |
| 08:44.41 | apm1 | but when i quit the chroot |
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| 08:45.01 | apm1 | and rebooted from my HD the root password didn't work |
| 08:45.16 | apm1 | i booted from a live cd |
| 08:45.22 | apm1 | and chrooted |
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| 08:45.26 | apm1 | and changed the root password |
| 08:45.30 | apm1 | this time it worked |
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| 08:45.49 | apm1 | any ideas what might have happened the first time ? |
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| 08:46.39 | EmleyMoor | apm1: Did you use anything other than letters and numbers in the password? |
| 08:47.17 | Nik05 | could be a keymap problem |
| 08:47.25 | apm1 | EmleyMoor, yes som special characters |
| 08:47.26 | apm1 | *some |
| 08:47.32 | EmleyMoor | Indeed, that's my thinking... |
| 08:47.56 | apm1 | but how come it worked the second time ? |
| 08:48.08 | apm1 | and when i chrooted i didn't have to enter a password 0_0 |
| 08:48.18 | EmleyMoor | apm1: You chose "safer" characters, I guess... |
| 08:48.27 | apm1 | the second time i mean to change the password |
| 08:48.48 | apm1 | are you implying i was cracked ? |
| 08:49.08 | EmleyMoor | No |
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| 08:49.25 | apm1 | the what do you mean by safer characters ? |
| 08:49.30 | w|t | bw_: how do i change the docroot |
| 08:49.32 | apm1 | *then |
| 08:49.58 | EmleyMoor | It is possible you specified a character the first time that is not in the same place in your main keymap as in the debootstrapped system |
| 08:50.37 | apm1 | sounds unlikely to me |
| 08:50.59 | EmleyMoor | Unlikely perhaps. Impossible, no! |
| 08:51.13 | Nik05 | i had it onces |
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| 08:51.45 | apm1 | i installed xfce when i was chrooting |
| 08:51.49 | apm1 | that might explain the keymap thing ? |
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| 08:52.06 | EmleyMoor | apm1: Whatever, you've solved it now |
| 08:52.11 | apm1 | yes |
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| 08:52.34 | apm1 | but tell you the truth i fear that my system may have been cracked XD |
| 08:52.52 | EmleyMoor | apm1: I think that highly unlikely |
| 08:53.16 | apm1 | i hope you are right :) |
| 08:53.26 | EmleyMoor | Why do you think it so? |
| 08:53.41 | apm1 | idk root password is no joke |
| 08:54.03 | apm1 | and the fact that i didn't have to type a password the second time i chrooted |
| 08:54.08 | apm1 | i rebooted in between |
| 08:54.25 | EmleyMoor | apm1: When exactly did you not have to type a password? |
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| 08:54.29 | apm1 | and its a non persistent live system from which i chrooted |
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| 08:54.51 | apm1 | the second time that i chrooted into the install i was configuring |
| 08:55.08 | apm1 | the first time there was a password prompt |
| 08:55.11 | EmleyMoor | You mean as you chrooted? |
| 08:55.16 | apm1 | yes |
| 08:55.28 | apm1 | i typer chroot /mnt/xxx |
| 08:55.31 | apm1 | *typed |
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| 08:56.04 | apm1 | and the first time there was a password prompt |
| 08:56.22 | apm1 | and then i rebooted into the drive i was chrooting from the live cd |
| 08:56.28 | EmleyMoor | apm1: What were the differences between the first and second times? |
| 08:56.46 | apm1 | just that there was no password asked the second time |
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| 08:57.01 | apm1 | nothing else was different |
| 08:57.06 | EmleyMoor | No, what was different *before* you chrooted? |
| 08:57.22 | apm1 | the root password didn't work |
| 08:57.54 | apm1 | authentications failed |
| 08:57.58 | apm1 | so i booted from the live cd |
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| 08:58.04 | apm1 | and tried chrooting |
| 08:58.07 | EmleyMoor | apm1: Was the "not chrooted" bit of your setup identical in both cases? |
| 08:58.07 | apm1 | again |
| 08:58.16 | apm1 | yes |
| 08:58.39 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... well, it's possible you cocked something up when you first chrooted. |
| 08:58.57 | apm1 | by not chrooted bit you mean the live cd i think |
| 08:59.11 | apm1 | and the peripherals of my pc ? |
| 08:59.12 | apm1 | then yes |
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| 08:59.36 | EmleyMoor | apm1: If you were using the self-same live CD both times, then yes. |
| 08:59.48 | apm1 | yes thats right |
| 08:59.59 | EmleyMoor | I wouldn't put down to cracking what could be put down to cockup in a case like that. |
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| 09:00.01 | apm1 | it was the exac same disc |
| 09:00.22 | apm1 | i am not so sure i did anything wrong |
| 09:00.38 | apm1 | i mean i am sure i didn't do anything wrong |
| 09:00.51 | apm1 | damn typos XD |
| 09:01.33 | EmleyMoor | apm1: A lot of people say that and it turns out to be a mistake they made. |
| 09:01.43 | apm1 | any interaction i had with passwords was when i was authenticating chroot |
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| 09:02.04 | apm1 | EmleyMoor, i can tell you each and every step i took |
| 09:02.35 | EmleyMoor | apm1: You CANNOT tell us every keystroke you made *for sure*. |
| 09:02.53 | apm1 | ok well maybe i can't |
| 09:03.12 | apm1 | but can you tell me anything i should keep an eye on ? |
| 09:03.39 | apm1 | i mean in case i was actually cracked ? |
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| 09:05.52 | EmleyMoor | If you think the system you debootstrapped has somehow been cracked, wipe it out and try again. However, I think it's more likely you simply made a mistake. Anything suspicious *from this point on* may be taken as proof that I'm wrong - unexpected logins, processes, files appearing, passwords changing. However, don't put this first time down to anything other than a mistake. |
| 09:06.42 | apm1 | ok , thanks for all the help EmleyMoor :) |
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| 09:15.16 | apm1 | anyone running an atom cedar trail processor with kernel 3.2 ? |
| 09:15.43 | apm1 | the kernel itself is fine but the intel microcode package |
| 09:16.02 | apm1 | seems to be incompatible with my cpu |
| 09:16.10 | apm1 | i am on wheezy btw |
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| 09:16.42 | apm1 | i get a warning in my dmesg " intel microcode failed to load" |
| 09:17.06 | apm1 | i understand microcode is from the non-free repos |
| 09:17.28 | apm1 | and maintainers can't actually make changes to it |
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| 09:17.40 | apm1 | they can only package it |
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| 09:18.00 | apm1 | just asking if someone else has the same problem |
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| 09:20.25 | apm1 | and iirc babilen once told me that if my bios is the latest version i don't really need microcode |
| 09:20.54 | babilen | no, you don't (I was referring to firmware upgrades) ... but it won't hurt to have it as well. |
| 09:21.11 | babilen | This assumes that the vendor of your hardware actually ships firmware updates in time |
| 09:21.39 | apm1 | but if i get the failed to load microcode error in my dmesg ? |
| 09:21.55 | babilen | apm1: You might want to check on Intel's website if /they/ ship microcode upgrades for your processor |
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| 09:22.53 | apm1 | babilen, ok i'll but how do you proprse i install it ? they certainly don't package .deb s |
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| 09:23.23 | ispirto | hello, i'd like to create a maximum partition on a 3TB hdd. The fdisk -l shows: "Disk /dev/sdb: 3000.6 GB, 3000559427584 bytes." Should I do "unit B" and "mkpart primary 0 3000559427584"? |
| 09:24.19 | babilen | judd: v intel-microcode |
| 09:24.21 | judd | Package: intel-microcode on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.20100826-1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1.20130222.1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 1.20130222.1; wheezy/non-free: 1.20130222.1 |
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| 09:25.15 | babilen | apm1: That ^^^ corresponds to https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=22508&keyword=microcode&lang=eng which is the latest microcode available from Intel -- Maybe you simply have the latest version already? |
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| 09:25.31 | babilen | has to run now ... see you later! :) |
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| 09:26.00 | apm1 | babilen, thanks :) |
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| 09:54.48 | Walex | ispirto: you cannot. |
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| 09:55.10 | Walex | ispirto: you cannot with 'fdisk'. The limit is 2TB disks. |
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| 09:55.50 | Walex | ispirto: apart from that you cannot start a partition on sector 0, because that sector has the partition table itself. |
| 09:56.31 | Walex | ispirto: if you want to use the whole disk you don't need to partition it. |
| 09:56.34 | jelly-home | for linux-only usage, one could avoid partitions and just make a lvm PV out of the whole disk if it's not the boot disk |
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| 10:22.39 | babilen | JohnnyL: I don't see how the pirate bay is related to Debian |
| 10:23.45 | larzix | when i install a *.run package in chroot environment i get the error : package_name.run : cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
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| 10:25.40 | jelly-home | larzix: what is the "package" supposed to do? |
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| 10:26.53 | JohnnyL | babilen: What's your point? |
| 10:27.19 | babilen | JohnnyL: This is #debian and I have no idea how your question is related to this channel. |
| 10:27.30 | JohnnyL | babilen: okay, let me school you. |
| 10:27.38 | JohnnyL | babilen: debian runs software correct? |
| 10:27.44 | larzix | jelly-home: install Qt (it has QUI) |
| 10:27.54 | JohnnyL | babilen: You know those things called applications? |
| 10:28.41 | babilen | JohnnyL: What is your point? How is your question related to Debian at all? |
| 10:28.57 | jelly-home | larzix: hm. If it needs to open an X window, the simplest thing to do is bind-mount the real /tmp into the chroot |
| 10:29.09 | JohnnyL | babilen: correct or not correct? |
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| 10:30.15 | larzix | jelly-home: hmm let me try |
| 10:30.17 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: drop the attitude, dude |
| 10:30.29 | ootput | JohnnyL: it's a distribution |
| 10:31.20 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: Why are you being so commanding to someone you you never even said hello to? |
| 10:31.22 | JohnnyL | hello. |
| 10:31.53 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: do you work for the government? |
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| 10:32.04 | jelly-home | babilen: thanks |
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| 10:33.08 | babilen | JohnnyL: Please try to stay on-topic in this technical support channel. We help people with their Debian related problems and you might want to take a look at http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 10:34.36 | larzix | jelly-home: it didn't work. have you done something like this before ? |
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| 10:35.32 | jelly-home | larzix: ran X apps in chroot, yes. Do you now have a /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 and /tmp/X0-lock in the chroot? |
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| 10:35.49 | BoozeWooz | Hi.. I have serverbox setup, openpanel but its denying all DNS queries :S |
| 10:36.43 | BoozeWooz | in /etc/bind/named.conf.options I putted listen-on {any;}; but its still not allowing any DNS queries to it.. how to help? |
| 10:37.36 | larzix | jelly-home: no, you said to do : mount --bind /tmp/ to /chroot/tmp and now i see my /tmp from inside the chroot |
| 10:37.56 | larzix | which is a few garbage files in /tmp |
| 10:38.13 | slooth | BoozeWooz, check "allow-query, alloq-recursion" options. Listening is one thing, accepting queries is another |
| 10:38.15 | slooth | allow* |
| 10:38.21 | jelly-home | larzix: that implies you do not have a local X server running at all |
| 10:38.52 | jelly-home | larzix: the /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 socket is what X apps use to talk to the server |
| 10:39.13 | larzix | oh .X11 let me see |
| 10:40.48 | jelly-home | typoed the lock file path /tmp/.X0-lock but that's less important |
| 10:40.53 | larzix | jelly-home : ok, but what is X server todo with temp directory ? in my real linux there is no .X directory at all |
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| 10:41.25 | Name141 | Will 7 have ext4? |
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| 10:41.38 | larzix | and im running gnome and my nvidia gfx card driver is installed |
| 10:41.55 | babilen | Name141: Squeeze supports it already, but wheezy (Debian 7) will use ext4 as default filesystem. |
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| 10:42.11 | jelly-home | larzix: what does echo $DISPLAY say in the "real linux"? |
| 10:42.17 | Name141 | babilen: all righty. Anything else going to be special about it? |
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| 10:43.24 | BoozeWooz | slooth: I added both allow-query, -options { any; }; but there's still a timeout |
| 10:43.24 | larzix | jelly-home: :0.0 |
| 10:43.31 | jelly-home | Name141: http://wiki.debian.org/NewInWheezy (still getting updated) |
| 10:43.44 | BoozeWooz | Also I made /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
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| 10:44.04 | slooth | BoozeWooz, timeout might suggest connectivity issues; check firewalls/physical problems? |
| 10:44.29 | jelly-home | larzix: and yet there is no /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 ? |
| 10:44.54 | BoozeWooz | I'll try that, thanks for helps |
| 10:44.58 | jelly-home | larzix: please show what "ls -ld /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 /chroot/tmp/.X11-unix/X0" says |
| 10:45.07 | jelly-home | larzix: outside the chroot |
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| 10:45.59 | jelly-home | larzix: /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 is THE way to connect to the server with DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 10:46.11 | larzix | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/250626/ |
| 10:46.26 | larzix | in real linux thats /tmp |
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| 10:46.43 | jelly-home | larzix: that's not the command I asked for, can you show the exact one? |
| 10:47.07 | jelly-home | It's hard to provide help if you don't follow the instruction precisely |
| 10:47.23 | larzix | oh k running now sec |
| 10:48.22 | larzix | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/250627/ |
| 10:48.39 | larzix | oops sec |
| 10:48.41 | larzix | wrong path |
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| 10:50.58 | larzix | jelly-home : i will start over, should i run that command after mount --bind ing the main /tmp to chroot tmp ? |
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| 10:51.22 | larzix | or doesnt matter ? |
| 10:51.29 | jelly-home | larzix: afterwards, that's just to confirm the socket is present in the chroot |
| 10:52.28 | jelly-home | setting up that socket, $DISPLAY and $XAUTHORITY if needed -- should be enough to get X apps running |
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| 10:54.47 | larzix | jelly-home: this time it worked i guess for what we want. here is ... http://paste.debian.net/250631/ |
| 10:56.11 | jelly-home | larzix: alright; inside the chroot, you can now export DISPLAY=:0 and try a simple X app like xdpyinfo |
| 10:56.27 | jelly-home | larzix: or just go straight to your installer |
| 10:56.53 | larzix | k |
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| 10:59.09 | larzix | jelly-home: :( http://paste.debian.net/250632/ |
| 10:59.44 | jelly-home | larzix: ok, what about xdpyinfo? |
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| 11:00.48 | larzix | xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0". |
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| 11:03.31 | jelly-home | larzix: ok. can you do a "strace xdpyinfo" in the chroot? |
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| 11:06.52 | larzix | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/250633/ |
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| 11:09.23 | jelly-home | larzix: unset XAUTHORITY in the chroot, retry the strace, see that it doesn't try to look at /tmp/libgksu-aDDNj4/.Xauthority any more (line 153) |
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| 11:10.10 | larzix | jelly-home : # unset XAUTHORITY ? |
| 11:10.18 | jelly-home | larzix: yes |
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| 11:11.25 | jelly-home | larzix: afterwards, you'll have to copy the xauth cookie from the outside to inside the chroot. What does echo $XAUTHORITY say as normal user? |
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| 11:14.18 | larzix | after unset Xauth trace result is the same , echo $XAUTHORITY : /tmp/libgksu-iv0mxY/.Xauthority |
| 11:14.34 | larzix | and how do i copy the cookie ? |
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| 11:15.21 | jelly-home | larzix: huh, that shouldn't happen. Oh well, then also copy that file to the same path inside chroot |
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| 11:16.01 | winsen | hi all |
| 11:16.03 | winsen | I'd like to buy a professional netbook with a good battery life, light-weight, and easy to carry, which one do you recommend? thanks |
| 11:16.04 | jelly-home | tho if /tmp is bind-mounted it should already be there |
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| 11:16.52 | larzix | yes |
| 11:17.21 | jelly-home | larzix: what does "env" inside the chroot say now, is there anything mentioning the incorrect /tmp/libgksu-aDDNj4/.Xauthority path? |
| 11:17.50 | slooth | winsen, this has nothing to do with Debian. Although whatever you buy, check at least 5 different reviews to find the weak spots; make sure you've been given testing period and check everything in the laptop. (hard disk, ram, battery life, and differnet stress test). That's my general advice |
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| 11:19.26 | jelly-home | slooth: hardware support for Linux has a bit to do with debian, arguably, so checking for that is important as well |
| 11:19.29 | larzix | jelly-home: yes that path is not inside chroot , even though we --bind /tmp , some dirs can be seen but not that one |
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| 11:20.33 | larzix | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/250635/ |
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| 11:21.05 | winsen | slooth: thanks for ansering |
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| 11:21.13 | winsen | slooth: thanks for answering |
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| 11:22.40 | jelly-home | larzix: the clean approach is to find out where /tmp/libgksu-aDDNj4/.Xauthority is set and clear that up. The dirty approach is to just copy the real /tmp/libgksu-iv0mxY/.Xauthority to /tmp/libgksu-aDDNj4/.Xauthority, perhaps by doing cd /tmp; ln -s libgksu-iv0mxY libgksu-aDDNj4 |
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| 11:23.29 | jelly-home | larzix: yeah, I don't see where /tmp/libgksu-aDDNj4/.Xauthority but you said strace output did not change in that regard, so I'm stumped |
| 11:23.40 | jelly-home | where ... it is set |
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| 11:27.17 | larzix | jelly-home : i will rm files in /tmp can we start over ? can you paste to the site whats steps i can follow ? |
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| 11:27.32 | jelly-home | larzix: er, what exactly did you delete? |
| 11:28.17 | jelly-home | oh, "will". Don't do that |
| 11:28.28 | larzix | hmm ok |
| 11:28.40 | jelly-home | you might cut yourself off from X server and have to log out and log back in |
| 11:29.02 | larzix | i will reboot |
| 11:29.09 | jelly-home | why? |
| 11:29.46 | larzix | should i log out ? |
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| 11:35.33 | jelly-home | there's no need for any of that |
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| 11:37.28 | larzix | jelly-home: ok i mounted again, both content is the same |
| 11:38.38 | jelly-home | larzix: let's try this. In the chroot, export XAUTHORITY=/root/.Xauthority, then strace xdpyinfo again and see whether it reads that file or something else |
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| 11:40.56 | larzix | again line 153: access("/root/.Xauthority", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 11:40.57 | jelly-home | wonders what kind of shenanigans gnome and xorg do to override $XAUTHORITY from some unknown source |
| 11:41.04 | jelly-home | larzix: that's great! |
| 11:41.20 | larzix | o_O |
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| 11:41.48 | jelly-home | larzix: now echo $XAUTHORITY from a normal user shell, and copy that file to /live3/chroot/root/.Xauthority |
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| 11:46.14 | larzix | jelly-home: i tried to rsync -a to tmp1 directory in chroot, but it doesnt copy any files |
| 11:46.29 | jelly-home | wth? |
| 11:47.04 | larzix | lol, im confused |
| 11:47.11 | jelly-home | larzix: is that related to getting X working, or a separate issue? |
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| 11:47.42 | larzix | yes about this , just a min |
| 11:48.14 | jelly-home | larzix: as normal user on the real installation, run echo $XAUTHORITY, it will show a path. As root in the real installation, copy that one file to /live3/chroot/root/.Xauthority |
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| 11:49.11 | jelly-home | wonders why the hell did gdm3 authors feel a need to use a nondefault xauth file even with a single session |
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| 11:51.08 | larzix | done |
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| 11:51.50 | jelly-home | now try xdpyinfo in the chroot again |
| 11:52.55 | jelly-home | if it works, that's it |
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| 11:54.27 | larzix | jelly-home: we have tidier result this time :) |
| 11:54.56 | larzix | version number: 11.0 , vendor string: The X.Org Foundation |
| 11:54.58 | larzix | etc... |
| 11:55.22 | jelly-home | that means it connected and auth'd to X server properly, it works |
| 11:55.58 | larzix | let me try to install the tool ... |
| 11:56.44 | larzix | wow :) |
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| 11:59.06 | larzix | jelly-home: great thanks. can we one more time repeat what we did exactly ? |
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| 12:01.34 | larzix | you simply made the chroot a client to the xserver on the main linux, with the cookie, you let the chroot identify iteself to the server , just like in web server login sessions ? |
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| 12:03.00 | larzix | jelly-home: * |
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| 12:18.06 | larzix | jelly-home: still there ? |
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| 12:23.15 | larzix | jelly-home: i got what you did by setting $XAUTHORITY and copy the .Xauth file from /tmp to chroot. But you also did something about $DISPLAY , what was that ? |
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| 12:25.29 | jelly-home | larzix: you need three things: the X socket, the correct DISPLAY setting to use the right socket, and the xauth cookies |
| 12:26.32 | jelly-home | larzix: some of the env.vars, including DISPLAY, seem to have been set already due to gksu usage |
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| 12:27.28 | larzix | i don't really understand all those. but i will try to learn more but looking at the steps. what did we do about X socket ? |
| 12:27.32 | jelly-home | normal X clients in your normal sessions also need and have access to these three things |
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| 12:28.19 | jelly-home | larzix: the socket is in /tmp directory, always in the same place. It's thru this socket that all X client apps talk to the X server. |
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| 12:29.15 | larzix | to have chroot x client connect to this socket what did we do ? |
| 12:30.14 | jelly-home | put the socket in the right place in the chroot, and set DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY and the contents of the xauth file. |
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| 12:30.54 | jvm_ | hi. i have a virtual server, that is running out of inodes. i have space left, but due to lots of git directories lots of tiny files, that eat up all the inodes. i can not change the file system, for i have no control over it. i was thinking that maybe a user space filesystem would be a solution for getting extra inodes. does anyone have a suggestion? |
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| 12:32.43 | b52 | hey fellas, could someone tell me which package features the rtl8192cu driver? |
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| 12:37.50 | chattr | b52: that should come with the kernel you're running ( ' find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name rtl8192cu.ko ' ) |
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| 12:38.08 | tarantulaweb | Hello :) |
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| 12:38.31 | jelly-home | jvm_: do you have root access and can you create and use loopback block devices? |
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| 12:39.19 | jvm_ | jelly-home, root access yes, not sure about the loopback devices. |
| 12:39.37 | jelly-home | jvm_: try it |
| 12:39.42 | jvm_ | how? |
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| 12:40.04 | jelly-home | if you can, you can create a filesystem on a loopback device backed by a single file |
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| 12:41.14 | larzix | jelly-home : why can't i see files that starts with "dot" in ls -l ? |
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| 12:42.31 | jelly-home | jvm_: create a zeroed out large file eg. dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/100M bs=1M count=100, then try to do a loopback device out of it, eg. losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/100M |
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| 12:42.55 | jelly-home | larzix: that's a feature, they're "hidden". ls -la will show them. |
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| 12:43.28 | larzix | i.c |
| 12:46.13 | b52 | chattr: nothing found, i run 2.6.32-5, maybe its to old? |
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| 12:48.01 | jelly-home | jvm_: if you can use /dev/loop0 to create a filesystem on top of it and mount it, that's one option |
| 12:48.37 | jvm_ | thanks jelly-home, but apparently i can not. |
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| 12:49.16 | chattr | b52: maybe. I don't have any 2.6.x kernels installed here |
| 12:49.46 | b52 | chattr: thanks, i"ll install a newer version from backports |
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| 12:54.15 | larzix | jelly-home: how did you know .Xauthority was inside /tmp/libgksu-aDDNj4/ ? |
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| 12:58.05 | jvm_ | thank you jelly-home, you helped me a lot. |
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| 12:58.55 | proby | hi , i installed debian , when trying to apt-get install synpatic it says : it has no candidate , am on wheezy |
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| 13:01.01 | proby | i fixed it , thanks for help :D |
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| 13:09.05 | jelly-home | larzix: the XAUTHORITY environment variable, if present, tells X clients which file to use |
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| 13:14.15 | larzix | jelly-home: ok and we set $DISPLAY to :0 in chroot. So all we did is simply , by binding the /tmp to /chroot/tmp we allowed chroot to access the xserver. and xserver info is located in /tmp. just like we can access root files from chroot after binding ? |
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| 13:23.03 | lame234 | hi all, I'm in a bit of mess. GRUB is not there and I'm on a LIVE CD of Knoppix (the only one working) |
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| 13:23.26 | lame234 | I am trying to install grub to the HDD, how do I go about doing it ? |
| 13:24.10 | lame234 | my / partition is mounted at /media/sd8 |
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| 13:32.26 | lame234 | hi all, my grub has vanished due to a windows installation. How do I bring it back ? |
| 13:32.58 | xand | !fixmbr |
| 13:32.58 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 13:33.07 | xand | lame234: ^ |
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| 13:33.55 | lame234 | Xand: thanx. |
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| 13:35.14 | lame234 | Xand: can you walk with me a bit on the above ? |
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| 13:42.15 | jelly-home | larzix: pretty much |
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| 14:04.40 | SARC | I have compiled the 3.8.8 kernel into a .deb and have a couple questions. First, does anyone see any real problems replacing the stock kernel with the latest one in squeeze (compatibility-wise with the rest of the Debian system)? Second, is there a manual process to package the new kernel on the net-install CD so that it is loaded automatically on install instead of the older kernel? |
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| 14:10.08 | Dark_light | SARC: it shouldn't give issues but obviosuly all the kernel modules in the repos won't work |
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| 14:10.34 | Dark_light | plus why not just using wheezy and waiting for a backport of an even more recent kernel? |
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| 14:18.55 | dfx | hello guys |
| 14:19.28 | dfx | i just installed a driver for this dongle and iget it detected and also the network name but when i click it nethin happen |
| 14:19.36 | dfx | with network manager |
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| 14:22.07 | dfx | also on dmesg i have this [ 1764.811988] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 14:26.06 | aguitel | is safe to upgrade squeeze to wheezy now ? |
| 14:26.36 | Walex | aguitel: there is no 'wheezy' quite yet. Wait another couple of weeks. |
| 14:26.51 | aguitel | ok |
| 14:27.24 | themill | aguitel: yes |
| 14:27.37 | SARC | Dark_light: Are you saying that it's safer to use a backport rather than upgrading the kernel manually? |
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| 14:28.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell aguitel -about wheezy release notes |
| 14:28.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell aguitel -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:29.06 | SARC | Dark_light: Packages wouldn't install/run correctly when they require kernel modules? |
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| 14:29.34 | aguitel | babilen, what happend with gnome2 in the upgrade process? |
| 14:29.36 | Walex | SARC: Debian kernels tend to have a lot of specific fixes that match the rest of Debian. If you compile one yourself odds are that you are not adding them. |
| 14:30.12 | babilen | aguitel: Gnome will be upgraded to the latest version (3.4 with 3.6 sprinkled in) |
| 14:30.45 | aguitel | babilen, ok |
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| 14:31.07 | SARC | OK, so if I upgrade to Wheezy RC now will I have to reinstall the final version when its out, or will apt-get upgrade take care of it for me? |
| 14:31.15 | babilen | aguitel: See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.6-status.html and http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.4-status.html (and 3.8 ..) |
| 14:31.34 | dfx | hello guys on dmesg i have this [ 234.776829] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 14:31.34 | dfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.11 | babilen | SARC: You can upgrade directly without the need to reinstall. |
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| 14:32.40 | petn-randall | dfx: Please paste the 10 lines before and after to http://paste.debian.net. |
| 14:32.48 | babilen | dfx: Which driver did you install? How? What kind of device is it? Which version of Debian are you using? Which desktop environment are you using? |
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| 14:33.21 | petn-randall | dfx: I sometimes get those lines, and my wireless works fine. So I guess the problem is something else. |
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| 14:37.11 | dfx1 | petn-randall: babilen here you go guys http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#Troubleshooting http://pastie.org/7673706 |
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| 14:38.36 | dfx1 | btw guiys i do see my wifi in the list but when i click it nething happens |
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| 14:40.22 | pixelshuck | Hello |
| 14:40.31 | pixelshuck | cat /proc/cpu only shows 1 cpu |
| 14:40.40 | pixelshuck | Does that mean that only 1 core is working? |
| 14:40.54 | pixelshuck | So does htop show one core |
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| 14:42.17 | babilen | pixelshuck: assuming you mean /proc/cpuinfo then yes, but could you paste the output of that to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:42.37 | babilen | dfx1: So, which desktop environment do you use |
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| 14:43.13 | pixelshuck | http://paste.debian.net/250654/ |
| 14:43.21 | dfx1 | babilen: lxde |
| 14:43.45 | pixelshuck | cpu MHz: 1000.000 |
| 14:43.45 | pixelshuck | Seems weird |
| 14:43.50 | pixelshuck | CPU is 2x2ghz |
| 14:44.07 | babilen | dfx1: Could you try running /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 ? |
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| 14:45.30 | babilen | pixelshuck: The MHz are fine (it's scaled and simply shows the current speed, not the maximum one) -- Would you mind checking settings in your BIOS? In particular check hyperthreading and/or settings for multiple cores. |
| 14:45.36 | dfx1 | babilen: with sudo ?? |
| 14:45.50 | pixelshuck | It did work before on gentoo, arch, ubuntu, #! |
| 14:45.57 | pixelshuck | Never changed anything in bios since then |
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| 14:46.25 | babilen | dfx1: No, as your normal user. How do you start LXDE? |
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| 14:46.52 | babilen | pixelshuck: I used to have a similar processor and it used two cores just fine -- Which kernel did you install? |
| 14:47.04 | babilen | pixelshuck: And would you mind checking? |
| 14:47.13 | dfx1 | babilen: i type in the lightdm my credenciel |
| 14:47.16 | dfx1 | and thats all |
| 14:47.41 | pixelshuck | I have to reboot to check |
| 14:47.48 | babilen | dfx1: okay, which version of Debian is that? Does it ask you for you password after you started /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 ? |
| 14:47.51 | pixelshuck | And yes, stressing CPU did enable 2ghz |
| 14:48.09 | pixelshuck | cpu MHz: 1000.000 |
| 14:48.12 | babilen | pixelshuck: yeah :) -- Not entirely sure why your second core is missing, but ... |
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| 14:48.18 | pixelshuck | shuck@brutus-f3sg ~ $ uname -a Linux brutus-f3sg 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.32-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:48.38 | bitHipy | does debian have drivers for any docking stations? |
| 14:48.45 | babilen | pixelshuck: you are running a 486 kernel :) |
| 14:49.06 | pixelshuck | Ohhh, dear; |
| 14:49.06 | pixelshuck | How do I get i686-PAE? |
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| 14:49.21 | pats_Toms | hi, is there any way to get where link is going? |
| 14:49.34 | dfx | babilen: still the same |
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| 14:49.39 | babilen | pixelshuck: I assume that you installed i386 and not amd64 (why?) -- That should allow you to install the linux-image-686-pae kernel package (or linux-image-amd64 if you want a 64bit kernel) |
| 14:49.41 | pixelshuck | pats_Toms curl? |
| 14:49.43 | bitHipy | pats_Toms: readlink |
| 14:49.51 | SARC | pats: link went to save the princess |
| 14:50.01 | pats_Toms | bitHipy, thanks |
| 14:50.15 | babilen | pixelshuck: Could you run "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" and show me the output on http://paste.debian.net ? How much RAM do you have and when did you install that system? |
| 14:50.16 | pixelshuck | babilen, thank you! Installing linux-image-686-pae, because 64bit is waste of ram |
| 14:50.44 | babilen | pixelshuck: How much RAM do you have? |
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| 14:51.09 | pixelshuck | 4G |
| 14:51.37 | babilen | pixelshuck: You should also keep in mind that the 686-pae kernel (and userland) won't be able to take advantage of some of the processors capabilities ...but i386 is okay on that hardware and it is up to you anyway :) |
| 14:51.47 | pixelshuck | http://paste.debian.net/250657/ |
| 14:51.56 | babilen | pixelshuck: Either way, switching from a 486 kernel to 686-pae should get you your second core :) |
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| 14:52.10 | pixelshuck | Yeah, thanks. |
| 14:52.36 | pixelshuck | As of 64bit, whenever I'll get 8+ GB RAM, I will install amd64 for sure. As of right now, there is virtually no use in it |
| 14:52.37 | babilen | you are welcome :) |
| 14:53.23 | pixelshuck | Uh, Issues, Issues, Issues! :( http://paste.debian.net/250658/ |
| 14:54.03 | pixelshuck | Or I can imagine it is not debian related? |
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| 14:54.38 | Dark_light | SARC: sorry I was afk anyway yes |
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| 14:54.59 | babilen | dpkg: mint |
| 14:55.00 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 14:55.36 | pixelshuck | Yeah, but LMDE is basically debian with Mate pre installed, or not? |
| 14:55.39 | babilen | pixelshuck: ^^^ Seriously, we only support Debian in here for a number of technical /and/ social reasons. Install Debian (see "/msg dpkg install wheezy") if you want support in here and go to ^^ if you are not interested in that. |
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| 14:56.17 | pixelshuck | babilen, I will swap my repo for debian testing, will that do? |
| 14:56.18 | pixelshuck | Because it is the only difference. |
| 14:56.52 | pixelshuck | I got LMDE, 'cause needed working machine fast, and left at it. :) |
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| 14:57.00 | babilen | pixelshuck: No, that will not do. That would get you a Frankenmintobian that neither #linuxmint-help nor #debian will support. |
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| 14:57.39 | pixelshuck | But lmde is fully compatible with debian, and vice versa |
| 14:57.55 | pixelshuck | I can imagine some package version related problems |
| 14:57.58 | pixelshuck | but they're resolveable |
| 14:58.08 | babilen | pixelshuck: It is not supported in here, which includes their repositories, packages, installer *everything* |
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| 14:58.29 | babilen | pixelshuck: Seriously, install wheezy from scratch if you want support in here. Last word. |
| 14:58.35 | ujrr | Is Debian for computer geeks only? |
| 14:58.54 | babilen | ujrr: sure, are you interested in installing it? |
| 14:58.56 | mtn | ujrr: not really, it is for computer users. pretty easy to use. |
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| 14:59.16 | ujrr | I want to use it, but am certainly no geek/nerd. |
| 14:59.27 | ujrr | Do I fit in? |
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| 14:59.45 | babilen | ujrr: That shouldn't be a problem at all. In fact you might learn a lot simply by using Debian. |
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| 14:59.46 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 14:59.51 | hawtin | I need some help. I'm trying to install eaccelerator and I get this error : chown: invalid user: `apache:nobody' |
| 14:59.52 | hawtin | what to do ? |
| 14:59.54 | pixelshuck | ujrr, you have to be interested in learning. |
| 14:59.56 | pixelshuck | that's it |
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| 15:00.05 | ujrr | I don't mind learning. |
| 15:00.07 | Darxus | ujrr: You might be happy with it. Try booting off a live CD and seeing if you find the interface usable, before installing. |
| 15:00.12 | ujrr | as long as it is fun |
| 15:00.19 | ROKO__ | i have double trouble with nvidia card and drivers opensource/blob |
| 15:00.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell ujrr -about install wheezy |
| 15:00.46 | ROKO__ | if use opensource system freeze randomly but regularly |
| 15:00.52 | ujrr | Do I choose Squeeze or Wheezy? |
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| 15:00.57 | hawtin | no1? |
| 15:00.58 | jelly-home | hawtin: debian runs apache under www-data user by default. |
| 15:00.59 | ROKO__ | if blob performance is very poor. |
| 15:01.03 | hawtin | thanks |
| 15:01.04 | ujrr | or sid... |
| 15:01.19 | babilen | ujrr: I would strongly recommend to install wheezy -- If you have a working internet connection use the netinstall images with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ |
| 15:01.26 | ROKO__ | and couldn't be fixed.. |
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| 15:01.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell ujrr about installation guide wheezy |
| 15:01.50 | ujrr | babilen: so testing means latest software? I dont want to use old software I don't see the point.. |
| 15:01.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell ujrr about wheezy installation guide |
| 15:02.03 | pixelshuck | Guys |
| 15:02.13 | pixelshuck | Are you sure to recommend debian as first linux? |
| 15:02.13 | mtn | ujrr: debian won't be the latest software. |
| 15:02.23 | babilen | ujrr: Yes, wheezy is the currently frozen testing release that we plan to release at the beginning of next month. |
| 15:02.29 | pixelshuck | I understand that all in all it is great, but it might be quite confusing for absolute beginner |
| 15:02.31 | mtn | pixelshuck: sure, why not? it is just as easy as anything else |
| 15:02.42 | pixelshuck | mtn, No its not. |
| 15:02.50 | mtn | pixelshuck: yes it is |
| 15:02.53 | pixelshuck | Its not hard either |
| 15:02.59 | pixelshuck | but certainly not as easy as others |
| 15:03.01 | ujrr | babilen: What happens when it is released? Do I then have to install the next testing version? |
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| 15:03.18 | mtn | pixelshuck: your opinion, sure. mine is different. |
| 15:03.29 | babilen | ujrr: I would recommend to take a look at http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ -- It is a wonderful book that will teach you more about Debian than you want to know ;) |
| 15:04.10 | pixelshuck | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/250661/ |
| 15:04.21 | pixelshuck | happy now? |
| 15:04.22 | ujrr | will I have to install whatever the next "testing" version is when wheezy becomes stable? |
| 15:04.30 | babilen | ujrr: I would recommend to keep on using wheezy for a while. You can always install newer software from wheezy-backports if you need that, backport software yourself or, even, switch to jessie (which will be the next testing) -- For now running wheezy is the most sensible choice and should be quite alright. |
| 15:05.03 | pixelshuck | ujrr, first decide, whether you need newest software available or you prefer stable |
| 15:05.13 | ujrr | babilen: okay, but how do I switch to "jessie"? Can it be done by an upgrade within wheezy or do I install it from scratch? |
| 15:05.18 | babilen | pixelshuck: No, I am not and I wouldn't recommend to do that. We have no idea what mint did with their packages, if their scripts are compatible with Debian and so on ... Seriously, if you want Debian then /install it from scratch/ |
| 15:05.23 | ujrr | pixelshuck: I need newer software |
| 15:05.46 | babilen | ujrr: You can ugprade directly from wheezy -- but it doesn't even exist right now. You really don't have to concern yourself with it. |
| 15:05.55 | pixelshuck | Bleeding edge - arch or gentoo, just newer, testing or sid(but it is really unstable) |
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| 15:06.12 | pixelshuck | but I would recommend neither for a beginner |
| 15:06.18 | ujrr | babilen: How do I upgrade from within wheezy? i just would like to know |
| 15:06.26 | ujrr | is it a program like the Windows updator? |
| 15:07.07 | pixelshuck | ujrr, just to clarify, in Linux there is a lot less done within GUI(Graphical User Interface), rather than command line |
| 15:07.23 | ujrr | pixelshuck: okay |
| 15:07.28 | pixelshuck | once you get used to CLI(Command Line Interface) it is really efficient tho |
| 15:07.45 | babilen | ujrr: no, you simply use jessie repositories and perform an upgrade ... The upgrade procedure *in general* and *very simplified* is more or less "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade", but it really depends. The current procedure to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy is detailed in <wheezy release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy> |
| 15:08.13 | ujrr | okay thanks for your help |
| 15:08.14 | pixelshuck | To upgrade, you only need to change "wheezy to "jessie" in one file, or if it is "testing" in this place, it will occur automatically |
| 15:09.05 | ujrr | I'll install wheezy now, I have the xfce iso as apprently it installs a GUI for me is that correct? |
| 15:09.12 | pixelshuck | Yes |
| 15:09.13 | babilen | ujrr: But seriously: There are /a lot/ of approaches to the problem of "I want a newer version of package FOO" -- Installing it from backports or backporting it yourself is the most reasonable approach. But for now you don't even use wheezy, so this is all academic. |
| 15:09.33 | ujrr | okay good |
| 15:10.00 | babilen | ujrr: I would suggest to ask about actual problems ;) -- but in the end: Yes, you can upgrade from wheezy to jessie if you choose to do that. |
| 15:10.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell ujrr -about install xfce |
| 15:10.33 | ujrr | babilen: I have the xfce wheezy iso anyway |
| 15:10.34 | babilen | ujrr: I would recommend to use the netinst image with firmware and configure it to install xfce (as detailed in the factoid our bot just sent you) |
| 15:10.40 | ujrr | Why so many isos? |
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| 15:10.43 | pete_ | a |
| 15:10.47 | pete_ | hello |
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| 15:11.07 | mtn | ujrr: just because :P |
| 15:11.13 | babilen | ujrr: That does not include firmware (which might be a problem) and probably contains outdated packages, but okay .. how are you connected to the internet and do you plan to install from CD or USB? |
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| 15:11.26 | ujrr | USB, WLAN USB dongle |
| 15:11.36 | pixelshuck | Tbh, I love debian but I hate that fanatic approach it has and proposes to users :( |
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| 15:12.01 | babilen | ujrr: The entire collection of CDs or DVDs contain every single package in Debian, so people without internet connection can install Debian. |
| 15:12.22 | ujrr | babilen: it recognises my USB dongle |
| 15:12.26 | babilen | ujrr: You will, most likely, need firmware for that. Are you currently using Windows, Linux or OSX? |
| 15:12.27 | ujrr | I will just continue the install |
| 15:12.28 | g0dfrey | there's some bug with the mongodb default conf file: the default HTTP interface is port 28012 but the conf file says it is 27018 |
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| 15:12.48 | babilen | ujrr: How did you write that image to your USB? |
| 15:12.49 | ujrr | babilen: It doesn;t seem to need any firmware |
| 15:12.53 | babilen | ujrr: great! |
| 15:12.58 | pete_ | I'm trying to install pgl in debian (64 bit squeeze) but I get broken packages held error which cannot be corrected. Is there a better alternative to pgl? All the sites I have read say that moblock is depreicated yadda yadda and that we should all go back to using pgl, but pgl is a mess. I can get pgl to install as long as I leave out the pglgui package, but then I have NO network access at all. Anyone shed light on this for me? |
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| 15:13.02 | ujrr | babilen: Universal USB installer |
| 15:13.33 | g0dfrey | the default HTTP interface is port 28017...sorry |
| 15:14.03 | babilen | ujrr: That might cause problem -- Did you create that on Windows? |
| 15:14.12 | ujrr | babilen: yes |
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| 15:14.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell ujrr -about usb install wheezy |
| 15:14.16 | ujrr | it seems to work fine.. |
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| 15:14.46 | ujrr | i made it on Windows |
| 15:14.55 | ujrr | everything is working :) |
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| 15:15.08 | babilen | ujrr: yeah, the problems appear later when you have to install a bootloader ... I am not entirely sure about the Universal USB installer (and it might do the right thing), but /iff/ you run into problem you should use the win32diskimager linked in the factoid and reinstall. |
| 15:15.16 | jeoc | hi |
| 15:15.22 | pixelshuck | babilen, during distro switch, the only configs(scripts) that changed were: /etc/issue, /etc/os-version |
| 15:15.29 | _niCe_ | hi, got a problem, my NAS told me that my raid5 is broken (2 disks failed), then my NAS crashed - after the reboot it hasn't build the raid again, but i looked at the disks, they are all ok, gdisk -l doesn't show any error, smartctl tells me everything is fine, too - but mdadm says "assembled from 4 drives - not enough to start the array" |
| 15:15.30 | ujrr | babilen: okay I hope it will be fine |
| 15:15.34 | pixelshuck | So I suppose, LMDE is more or lesss vanilla |
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| 15:15.44 | dizzylizzy | so excited! Only 17 RC bugs for wheezy left |
| 15:15.44 | jeoc | i installed ircd on my box, enabled port 6667 on firewall and my linux box both, also able to telnet it and ircd process is running |
| 15:15.53 | jeoc | but from mirc it not connecting to my ircd server |
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| 15:16.04 | jeoc | anyone help please? |
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| 15:17.01 | babilen | ujrr: Well, we had a lot of questions from people using tools such as unetbootin and pendrivelinux (which is, IIRC, related to the tool you used) ... they messed up the bootloader installation and the USB creation, so be warned |
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| 15:17.25 | ujrr | okay |
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| 15:18.00 | ujrr | I'l come back if I need any help/get any problems |
| 15:18.02 | ujrr | bye |
| 15:18.17 | babilen | pixelshuck: All I am saying is that you are running an unsupported system (by us at least) -- Please be aware of that and try to convince ##linux to support it. I am not trying to be malicious or anything like that, but we simply do not support that. |
| 15:18.21 | babilen | ujrr: Have fun! |
| 15:18.43 | jeoc | can someone answer my question? |
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| 15:19.04 | EmleyMoor | jeoc:What exactly happens? |
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| 15:20.16 | jeoc | EmleyMoor: i installed ircd on my box, enabled port 6667 on firewall and my linux box both, also able to telnet it and ircd process is running |
| 15:20.19 | jeoc | but from mirc it not connecting to my ircd server |
| 15:20.28 | jeoc | says network host unreachable |
| 15:20.36 | babilen | jeoc: Can you use a different IRC client? |
| 15:20.57 | jeoc | am using mirc to connect now to talk to you babilen |
| 15:20.59 | EmleyMoor | Ah... right... sure you specified the address of your server correctly? |
| 15:21.01 | jeoc | should it make a difference |
| 15:21.06 | jeoc | EmleyMoor: yes |
| 15:22.07 | jhutchins_wk | jeoc: Perhaps the problem is that the server can not connect to the upstream server? |
| 15:22.08 | babilen | jeoc: Well, clean the firewall rules and give that a try. Can you IRC from localhost? |
| 15:22.20 | EmleyMoor | jeoc: Can you reach the ircd by telnet from the Windows box? |
| 15:22.20 | jeoc | Unable to connect to server (Network is unreachable) |
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| 15:22.45 | jhutchins_wk | jeoc: That suggests client network configuration problems. |
| 15:22.57 | jhutchins_wk | Why does nobody look at logs these days? |
| 15:23.00 | jeoc | jhutchins_wk: ic, so now what do I do? |
| 15:23.34 | jeoc | EmleyMoor: how to do telnet using port from windows? |
| 15:23.59 | babilen | jeoc: Which ircd version did you install? Can you show us the "apt-cache policy YOUR_IRCD_PACKAGE" output from it and can you try to IRC from your Debian box (i.e. the one hosting these services) |
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| 15:24.09 | jeoc | bahamut 1.8.9 |
| 15:24.35 | pixelshuck | Babilen, alright, 10-ish minutes I will have Debian Wheezy. |
| 15:24.36 | babilen | jeoc: That is not in Debian, where is it from and how is this related to Debian? |
| 15:24.58 | jeoc | but I installed it on debian bo |
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| 15:24.59 | jeoc | x |
| 15:25.00 | babilen | pixelshuck: You don't /have/ to, but enjoy! |
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| 15:25.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell pixelshuck -about firmware images wheezy |
| 15:25.34 | EmleyMoor | jeoc: Well, I'd use PuTTY if I had to... |
| 15:25.36 | babilen | pixelshuck: Those might come in handy |
| 15:25.54 | jeoc | EmleyMoor: am using it now |
| 15:25.55 | babilen | jeoc: So, login to your Debian box and try to IRC to it directly. (e.g. use irssi) |
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| 15:26.52 | kingsley | My CPU fan stops spinning about every three seconds. The computer is spontaneously halting after a few minutes without leaving a message in log files. When rebooting, the BIOS said "CPU Fan Error!" twice and "CPU Over Temperature Error!" once. Do you agree that I should try to fix it by doing the following in this order: 1.) Re-seat the CPU fan's cable's connector to the motherboard. 2.) Replace the CPU fan. 3.) Replace the motherboard a |
| 15:26.52 | kingsley | nd power supply? Is there anything else to check? Voltages? BIOS settings? |
| 15:26.53 | pixelshuck | babilen, you didn't really get me, I'm just swapping repo's, 'cause LMDE = Debian Testing + Mintify |
| 15:27.08 | jhutchins_wk | jeoc: You appear to have a Windows networking problem - not something #debian can really help with. Make sure your network, netmask, and gateway are correct on the WIndows box. |
| 15:27.13 | iaxi | hey how do i get grub do see hdd 1 with win7 and hdd 4 to see debian i have seperate hdd for the os's so not on same hdd i just need to config the grub to see them both |
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| 15:27.36 | babilen | pixelshuck: You did that before, and I notified you that this combination is not supported in here. Lets drop it, okay? |
| 15:27.37 | pixelshuck | So basically i'm removing mint theme's repo. (Even packages in LMDE are about the same(slightly outdated) as debian) |
| 15:27.55 | ^Miro^ | i get u iaxi |
| 15:27.57 | pixelshuck | But after doing so I get vanilla debian, what's wrong? |
| 15:28.29 | jeoc | jhutchins_wk: I installed irssi on my box(debian) and tried to connect to freenode server on 6667 and its not connecting, does that tell you something you can help me with? |
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| 15:28.35 | jhutchins_wk | iaxi: run update-grub as root. |
| 15:28.37 | babilen | pixelshuck: You do not and we will never know. If you want to use Debian then install it from scratch -- but I am repeating myself. Lets drop it. *please* |
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| 15:28.49 | jeoc | it said connection timedout even, jhutchins_wk. |
| 15:28.57 | pixelshuck | I *understand* that in most cases(mint -> debian, *buntu -> debian) you get some wicked minefield. But LMDE is Debian testing with themes installed. |
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| 15:29.25 | pete_ | pixelshuck: you have to lie in here. Ive been using lmde for years, ALWAYS lie. ALWAYS get an answer. That's the sad truth. |
| 15:29.38 | MrMonkeysUncle | uh you coulda also suggested that he digs through mint's documentation for the right words =} |
| 15:29.42 | babilen | pixelshuck: |
| 15:29.45 | jhutchins_wk | jeoc: The standard process of troubleshooting network problems is to ping localhost, ping the gateway, ping a remote IP, ping a remote hostname, connect to a remote service. |
| 15:29.51 | pixelshuck | Pete_, They noticed my mirror contained mint. |
| 15:29.51 | iaxi | jhutchins_wk: so it will configure a choice on its on in the boot menu when i do that if so thats awesome! |
| 15:29.58 | kingsley | iaxi: If you haven't done so already, I suggest searching Google's indices with carefully chosen key words. Maybe like grub.cfg and multiboot. |
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| 15:30.10 | babilen | pete_: Don't recommend that ... Sersiously, we have reasons for not supporting LMDE. |
| 15:30.11 | jhutchins_wk | iaxi: It's supposed to. Doesn't work every time, but usually. |
| 15:30.20 | pixelshuck | I did lie, when i was using #!, but #! literally uses same repo's |
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| 15:30.43 | iaxi | jhutchins_wk: if it does not work what file do i have to edit if you don't mind me asking. |
| 15:30.46 | pixelshuck | babilen, i'd be glad to hear any |
| 15:30.55 | babilen | pixelshuck, pete_: Drop it. Now. If you want support in here then use *Debian*. If you don't, then go somewhere else. |
| 15:30.56 | pete_ | pixelshuck: sorry bro. I used to do the same to #slackware when I was running Vector linux. I never told them I wasnt running slack and I always got the answer I was looking for |
| 15:30.59 | pixelshuck | So far I can only notice classical debian-ish fanacism |
| 15:31.14 | MrMonkeysUncle | * in computing, like in love, sometimes the best support is self-support |
| 15:31.24 | babilen | Feel free to /msg me if you are interested, but drop it. NOW |
| 15:31.48 | jhutchins_wk | pixelshuck: The only thing we can help you wiht is a clean debian install. If your original install was from the Mint repositories, we can't know what you have. |
| 15:31.48 | pete_ | lol @ MrMonkeysUncle |
| 15:31.52 | iaxi | kingsley: they all show how to fix it on one hdd i have 1 hdd for each os so i think it's a bit diffrent to setup |
| 15:32.31 | jhutchins_wk | iaxi: /etc/default/grub, then update again. |
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| 15:32.45 | pixelshuck | jhutchins_wk, as I said, linux-mint repo's are basically same derbian testing, with slightly outdated packages for extra stability |
| 15:32.52 | MrMonkeysUncle | or you take it a step further and combine. am I right? |
| 15:32.52 | pixelshuck | *dropping it to babilens query* |
| 15:32.55 | jhutchins_wk | pixelshuck: We don't care. |
| 15:33.08 | iaxi | jhutchins_wk: thank you! |
| 15:33.25 | ^Miro^ | iaxi the linux partition has /home and /swap? |
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| 15:33.43 | pixelshuck | For god sake, why debian has to be so religious |
| 15:33.44 | pete_ | pixelshuck: msg me with your original inquiry |
| 15:33.47 | iaxi | iaxi: it will have when i install it |
| 15:33.48 | kingsley | iaxi: I'm confident there are web pages with example grub.cfg files for multiple disks. Maybe it's just a matter of finding them with the right key words. Maybe adding something like "multiple disks" OR "hard drives" OR "second hard drive". |
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| 15:35.38 | hawtin | need some help.. I've installed memcache and now I get a blank page |
| 15:35.40 | hawtin | someone ?:) |
| 15:35.43 | exarkun | I keep my SSH keys on a removable drive. On Debian stable, it gets auto-mounted with permissions -rw-r--r--. SSH refuses to read keys with these permissions. How can I change the automount permissions? |
| 15:35.49 | babilen | pete_: Please refrain from lying and go to the correct channel for support. Thank you. We /do/ have reasons for only support pure Debian in here. |
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| 15:36.54 | ^Miro^ | iaxi got his by email or pv? |
| 15:38.15 | aguitel | i am in squeeze using 2.6.32-5-amd64 ,anyway to install other kernel? |
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| 15:38.55 | aguitel | i am looking for the series 3.2 |
| 15:39.08 | dvs | !tell aguitel about bpo kernel |
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| 15:39.42 | exarkun | How about ... what configuration files control automount behavior? Or what component of the system actually implements automount? |
| 15:39.59 | pokeswap | i am setting up mediawiki. i uploaded the files via ftp as user iedit. what do i chown/chgrp to get the files viewable to everyone on the internet? are there only some files to ch...? |
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| 15:40.39 | sacredchao | I would prefer to use aptitude full-time, but Synaptic lets me see which packages are *new* that have just entered the repos (running sid) with the empty box + star icon. |
| 15:40.44 | sacredchao | How can I get this view in aptitude? |
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| 15:43.11 | hawtin | http://pastebin.com/CVU7rMZu need some help over here .. :) i get blank page on all my pages |
| 15:43.42 | sacredchao | pokeswap: you will want the mediawiki files to be owned by the same user that controls the web server process, commonly www-data |
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| 15:45.14 | jhutchins_wk | sacredchao: Have you tried the interactive mode in aptitude? |
| 15:45.22 | _niCe_ | hi, can someone tell me wtf my raid is not building after the reboot - http://sprunge.us/Ljdi |
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| 15:46.53 | sacredchao | pokeswap: To change ownership of all files and directories recursively while you are in the document root of your website: chown -R www-data:www-data . |
| 15:47.32 | sacredchao | jhutchins_wk: No, how do I activate it? |
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| 15:54.40 | jhutchins_wk | sacredchao: just run aptitude without arguments. |
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| 15:58.37 | sacredchao | jhutchins_wk: But how can I tell which packages are newly seen after a list refresh? |
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| 16:00.11 | jhutchins_wk | sacredchao: Most people just subscribe to the announce list. |
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| 16:03.32 | pixelshuck | babilen, shuck@brutus-f3sg ~ $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l = 2 |
| 16:03.37 | pixelshuck | Thank you! |
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| 16:04.14 | babilen | pixelshuck: You are welcome |
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| 16:07.01 | exarkun | I keep my SSH keys on a removable drive. On Debian stable, it gets auto-mounted with permissions -rw-r--r--. SSH refuses to read keys with these permissions. How can I change the automount permissions? |
| 16:07.10 | exarkun | Does udev drive this process somehow? |
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| 16:10.21 | pixelshuck | Where can I read more about PGP and use cases? |
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| 16:10.31 | pixelshuck | In a *simple*manner |
| 16:10.55 | exarkun | pixelshuck: More than what? Did you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy ? Do you want to know about how to use the GPG tool, or about how PGP works abstractly? |
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| 16:11.10 | pixelshuck | More of Use Cases |
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| 16:26.43 | ^Miro^ | config? /etc? |
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| 16:27.23 | ^Miro^ | daemons? |
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| 16:28.36 | Towzzer | what |
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| 16:29.02 | ^Miro^ | that bunch of questions |
| 16:29.52 | exarkun | What bunch of questions? |
| 16:30.04 | ompaul | the none existent ones |
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| 16:31.49 | ^Miro^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.09 | ^Miro^ | where is all the stuff hidden.... |
| 16:34.35 | kloose | i want to uninstall and remove a program completely |
| 16:34.44 | kloose | what's the best way to go ? |
| 16:34.55 | pacop | I'd use dpkg --purge package |
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| 16:35.04 | pacop | that removes the configuration files also |
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| 16:35.17 | kloose | saved me |
| 16:35.19 | kloose | thanks |
| 16:35.20 | pacop | np :) |
| 16:35.59 | acu | hello guys - is anyone running btrfs in debian wheezy ? |
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| 16:53.44 | exarkun | I keep my SSH keys on a removable drive. On Debian stable, it gets auto-mounted with permissions -rw-r--r--. SSH refuses to read keys with these permissions. How can I change the automount permissions? |
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| 16:57.42 | Walex | exarkun: it is something that probably is done by 'udev', so search for that |
| 16:57.56 | exarkun | I am knee deep in the source code of udev and udisks |
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| 16:58.17 | exarkun | I see half a dozen pieces of software that seem partly responsible for doing automounts |
| 16:58.22 | exarkun | I have no idea how they fit together :( |
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| 16:58.46 | Walex | exarkun: wlecome to the Microsoftization of UNIX. Blame GKH daily. |
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| 16:59.11 | exarkun | :( |
| 16:59.23 | ompaul | Walex: can you rsync that blame or must it be found on git |
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| 16:59.49 | Walex | http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#ownership |
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| 17:00.17 | Walex | has disabled as much as he can of 'udev' and other fragile automagic |
| 17:00.56 | ompaul | Walex: I have used this automagic with vi and made such devices as eth-rightintel and eth-leftintel |
| 17:01.00 | Walex | noticed that on his laptop there are 8000 lines of 'udev' rules |
| 17:01.02 | ompaul | on several boxes on a rach |
| 17:01.30 | ompaul | rack this way I can tell the none grey coloured cable is external and the grey one is internal |
| 17:01.35 | Walex | ompaul: have you talked to your doctor about it? Can he give you some pills to cure that? |
| 17:01.42 | Walex | :-) |
| 17:02.04 | ompaul | Walex: I did, he suggested a course of consultant 101 |
| 17:02.27 | ompaul | it won't cure it, but it will make you feel like it's not your own personal decision |
| 17:02.48 | ompaul | goes to learn about some nosql oh well |
| 17:03.23 | Walex | ompaul: I am really sorry to hear of your pain :-) |
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| 17:03.58 | jelly-home | ompaul: did you whack the cable people with a newspaper? |
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| 17:04.45 | ompaul | jelly-home: no, I am happy with the multicoloured |
| 17:05.04 | ompaul | jelly-home: it detracts from the blinking lights |
| 17:05.12 | ompaul | yes I said detract! |
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| 17:09.41 | sacredchao | jhutchins_wk: So no, you don't know of a way to have the same UI functionality in aptitude as Synaptic to show new packages? |
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| 17:13.04 | Walex | exarkun: I may have misled you -- the actual mount seems to be done by 'udisks' |
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| 17:14.55 | exarkun | Walex: in the "FilesystemMount" handler I suppose? I see the code for that. But it accepts mount options as an argument in the FilesystemMount user data section I guess. |
| 17:15.10 | exarkun | It validates the options and maybe supplies some defaults, but doesn't seem like the right place to override things. |
| 17:15.32 | exarkun | I haven't yet discovered what software is responsible for emitting the FilesystemMount dbus message. |
| 17:15.42 | Walex | exarkun: with some horrified fascination I am digging into the many parts of this Microsoftian horror. The permissions may be set in PolicyKit |
| 17:15.50 | exarkun | I did find this though, http://superuser.com/questions/134438/how-to-set-default-permissions-for-automounted-fat-drives-in-ubuntu-9-10 |
| 17:16.11 | exarkun | The `devkit-disks` (now renamed `udisks`) trick seems minimally offensive, I might rest on that. |
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| 17:16.34 | exarkun | There are a bunch of indications that nautilus is what emits the FilesystemMount dbus message, and lacks any UI for configuring options. But I haven't verified that myself yet. |
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| 17:17.31 | Walex | http://askubuntu.com/questions/17540/how-do-i-set-executable-permissions-on-a-removable-drive/17550#17550 |
| 17:17.50 | Walex | the above was referenced by the page you linked to |
| 17:19.12 | exarkun | Yea... But on Debian Stable, there's a lot less udev configuration around. I don't have that configuration file. |
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| 17:20.13 | exarkun | Perhaps it would work all by itself in a new entry in /etc/udev/rules.d? I do not know. I guess I should at least try... otoh, do I really want to start writing new udev rules in /etc/? Probably not... |
| 17:20.23 | exarkun | :( |
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| 17:27.21 | Walex | exarkun: new udev rules under '/etc/udev/' is a good idea, only way to tame it. |
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| 17:28.42 | exarkun | I'm reluctant because I don't want this to break all over again as soon as some package related to one of the files I edit gets updated |
| 17:28.57 | Walex | exarkun: most of the default 'udev' rules are under '/lib/udev' |
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| 17:29.19 | Walex | exarkun: so that the '/etc/udev' stuff can be overrides from local adms |
| 17:29.32 | LiohAu | does anybody know how can i fix this error these errors : "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory / locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory / locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory" |
| 17:29.45 | LiohAu | -this error :) |
| 17:29.56 | Walex | LiohAu: probable someone would know in the whole world |
| 17:30.13 | Walex | LiohAu: but perhaps we might help if you gave some context |
| 17:30.14 | LiohAu | well, does anybody know it here :) |
| 17:30.17 | exarkun | Walex: I am supremely unconfident that that means my changes will actually be preserved or that they won't cause a config conflict on upgrade. :/ |
| 17:30.28 | LiohAu | i get this error whenever i do something |
| 17:30.34 | exarkun | Walex: If there were a "rules.local.d" or something, I'd be a lot more hopeful. |
| 17:30.59 | Walex | exarkun: go aheead, upgrade should be fine. your 'rules.local.d' is actually '/etc/udev/rules.d/' |
| 17:31.02 | exarkun | I also don't actually know the udev configuration language, so I'll probably just get myself into trouble |
| 17:31.20 | Walex | exarkun: it is a wholly ridiculous language, but not entirely opaque. |
| 17:31.34 | LiohAu | for example when i run "locale -a" |
| 17:31.54 | exarkun | Walex: but seems like more effort to learn that it's worth |
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| 17:32.10 | exarkun | presumably udev will be dropped in another year or two for another entirely new randomly different system |
| 17:32.39 | Walex | exarkun: regrettably GKH and 'udev' and all the other Microsoftian Freedesktop.org poison is here to stay, so either you disable the lot or you join them... |
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| 17:34.10 | Walex | exarkun: perhaps another random system, but since GKH managed to sharp-elbow aside the much simple fsdev system 'udev' has gone through manu rewrites to fix its many shortcomings, but by now too many people are invested in it for it to fade. |
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| 17:35.42 | LiohAu | well Walex, joking is one thing, helping is another |
| 17:35.52 | LiohAu | so what do you need to help me? |
| 17:36.40 | Walex | LiohAu: well, that you report the context, as in: which locale are you in? Which locale is your system configured for? Which example program says that? |
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| 17:37.16 | LiohAu | the system is a new debian squeeze setup, the first thing i did was aptitude update / aptitude upgrade |
| 17:37.25 | Walex | LiohAu: because if it is a locale problem, probably you are not in an english locale, because if it is all english it would "just work" |
| 17:37.26 | LiohAu | and i already had warnings |
| 17:37.53 | Walex | LiohAu: for example what does the 'locale -a' command tell you about the configured locale? |
| 17:38.21 | LiohAu | "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory / locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory / locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory / C / POSIX / fr_FR.utf8" |
| 17:38.29 | LiohAu | that's what it says |
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| 17:38.41 | unborn | :) |
| 17:38.48 | LiohAu | i did a "sudo locale-gen fr_FR.UTF-8" |
| 17:39.15 | Walex | LiohAu: so you want a french locale, is that the case? |
| 17:39.21 | LiohAu | and i used "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" to choose fr_FR.UTF-8 as locale |
| 17:39.24 | LiohAu | yes |
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| 17:39.56 | Walex | LiohAu: Have you perchance configured 'localepurge' to delete french locale files> |
| 17:39.59 | Walex | LiohAu: Have you perchance configured 'localepurge' to delete french locale files? |
| 17:40.01 | LiohAu | no |
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| 17:40.16 | Walex | LiohAu: because otherwise it could as simple as not having installed any french locale files. |
| 17:42.02 | LiohAu | how do i use localepurge? |
| 17:42.22 | Walex | 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure localepurge' |
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| 17:43.49 | LiohAu | http://pastebin.com/SLtPWhQB |
| 17:43.54 | LiohAu | i get the following output |
| 17:44.35 | Walex | LiohAu: as it says "localepurge is not installed" |
| 17:44.42 | ponyofdeath | anyone know if there is such a way to run 64bit os but to save memory per process run apache ie in "32bit mode" |
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| 17:45.04 | Walex | LiohAu: but it is far more worrying that it says "LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" is not supported |
| 17:45.14 | Walex | LiohAu: you may have an incomplete/damaged installation. |
| 17:46.03 | djanos | ponyofdeath: not realy what you want, but i heard about running 32bits virtuals machins on 64bits host can save memory |
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| 17:46.56 | ponyofdeath | djanos: i see ok thanks! I am just trying to get away from needing to support 32bit as well |
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| 17:47.21 | Walex | ponyofdeath: you may save a really tiny bit of memory. But in general Debian 7/Wheezy is "multiarch" so you can run both 32b and 64b programs on a 64b kernel. |
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| 17:47.56 | Walex | ponyofdeath: there is a different story which is 32b pointer mode in 64b user mode, but it not that popular or useful. |
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| 17:48.38 | Walex | LiohAu: look for example under /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/ do you have anything there? |
| 17:48.55 | LiohAu | i don't know, i just asked a reinstall :D |
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| 17:51.13 | Walex | kids of today! they just reinstall at the first sign of trouble instead of fixing everything with an hex editor. In my time .... |
| 17:51.49 | Walex | :-) |
| 17:51.53 | ponyofdeath | Walex: thanks! would the ammount depend on the app / threads |
| 17:52.14 | Walex | ponyofdeath: yes, but quite small. |
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| 17:52.34 | LiohAu | Walex: the server is just a fresh install, it already has a bug, so why should i lose time in trying to fix it since i have no data on it? i can at least try a new install |
| 17:53.02 | LiohAu | if it fix the problem, the data hoster has failed the first install, else i'll try to fix it again :) |
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| 17:54.43 | Walex | ponyofdeath: what you may be thinking of is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X32_ABI but I don't think it is implemented by Debian, but could be wrong. |
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| 17:56.18 | ponyofdeath | Walex: yup. |
| 17:56.28 | LiohAu | well, Walex you'll be happy to know, that the new install is still whining about the locale :) |
| 17:56.29 | ponyofdeath | Walex: is that feasable you think |
| 17:57.59 | Walex | ponyofdeath: not on Debian currently... But with the release of 7/Wheezy you will be able to install both 'i386' and 'amd64' programs. |
| 17:58.23 | Walex | LiohAu: so install 'aptitude' to check the status of packages. |
| 17:58.23 | ponyofdeath | Walex: thanks! |
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| 17:59.09 | Walex | ponyofdeath: note that x32 is not the same as 'i386': the latter is pure 32b mode, not mixed 32/64 bit mode. |
| 17:59.13 | LiohAu | aptitude is already there |
| 17:59.18 | Walex | LiohAu: good, good. |
| 17:59.44 | LiohAu | i just did that "export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 + export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 + export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 + locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 + dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 18:00.07 | LiohAu | (en or fr i don't really care, i just want a working locale ^^) |
| 18:00.33 | Walex | LiohAu: how did that go? |
| 18:01.04 | Walex | LiohAu: please use 'date' as a test program, as that is very locale dependent. |
| 18:01.16 | LiohAu | the "dpkg-reconfigure locales" said / http://pastebin.com/GsvnRsPa |
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| 18:01.38 | LiohAu | "date", seems to be working : Sat Apr 20 14:01:24 EDT 2013 |
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| 18:02.07 | Walex | LiohAu: then try: env LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 date |
| 18:02.50 | LiohAu | en_US you mean? on this new install, i did everything with en_US instead of fr_FR |
| 18:03.15 | Walex | LiohAu: just to check it is saying something sensible. |
| 18:03.42 | Walex | LiohAu: BTW searching for the message "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:" says to install the relevant lang pack |
| 18:04.38 | LiohAu | " sudo apt-get install --reinstall locales" ? |
| 18:05.15 | Walex | sudo apt-cache search language-pack | sort | less |
| 18:05.57 | Walex | LiohAu: I usually select with 'aptitude' using the 'l' command with a filter string like "-fr" or "-en" |
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| 18:06.28 | LiohAu | root@vpsXXXXX:~# sudo apt-cache search language-pack |
| 18:06.29 | LiohAu | inkscape - vector-based drawing program |
| 18:06.37 | LiohAu | that's the only thing i get ^^ |
| 18:07.13 | Walex | LiohAu: Ah yes, I was doing it on a newer thing |
| 18:07.21 | LiohAu | i did not use apt-get on this install, so is there a cache ? |
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| 18:07.42 | Walex | LiohAu: always, it is the list of available packages |
| 18:08.16 | LiohAu | awesome, i passed already one hour, just to fix a fresh install :x |
| 18:08.37 | Walex | LiohAu: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 18:09.20 | LiohAu | en_US.UTF-8 is already selected |
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| 18:09.50 | Walex | LiohAu: then there is some other screwup, but try to select it again and also french. |
| 18:09.51 | LiohAu | hm it seems that it did not fail this time |
| 18:09.56 | SARC | Where do I go to disable loading the (nonexistant) PS2 controller in bootup? |
| 18:10.22 | Walex | LiohAu: but that's bad news -- because it means the install was not done properly, for some reason or another. |
| 18:10.36 | LiohAu | well i'll see if i get other errors |
| 18:10.41 | LiohAu | what the first thing would you install on a server? |
| 18:10.43 | LiohAu | fail2ban? |
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| 18:10.58 | prp-e | Hi |
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| 18:11.25 | Walex | LiohAu: 'aptitude', but that's already there. Then perhaps 'ferm', the firewall, just-in-case, and 'fail2ban' seems a good idea too. |
| 18:11.52 | LiohAu | didn't know ferm, is it like iptables? |
| 18:12.09 | Walex | LiohAu: then a number of checking/scanning utilities, like 'tcptraceroute' for example |
| 18:12.25 | Walex | LiohAu: 'ferm' is a fairly decent generator or 'iptables' rules. |
| 18:13.03 | LiohAu | obviously emacs |
| 18:13.05 | LiohAu | xD |
| 18:13.22 | Walex | LiohAu: another useful thing is Emacs and VIM, and VNC to access it remotely in a graphical way |
| 18:14.41 | LiohAu | well, no warnings during emacs install, i think i can consider the locale thing as fixed ^^ |
| 18:17.10 | Walex | LiohAu: perhaps run 'debsums -a -s' if you feel really paranoid |
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| 18:22.29 | rryoumaa | what is fail2ban aimed at fixing? |
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| 18:23.30 | becks` | hi, why does df show ~4GB free space when it is full? it's a ramdisk and I have plenty of ram left; http://textdump.net/read/1946/ |
| 18:23.37 | format_c | rryoumaa, buteforcing attacks |
| 18:24.21 | rryoumaa | format_c: so it bans /incoming/ connections? |
| 18:24.36 | rryoumaa | oic, you mean like banning port scanners? |
| 18:25.18 | et | not port scanners. people who try to login |
| 18:26.05 | LtL | rryoumaa: it will ban ip's that repeatedly fail at ssh login attempts, and there are many. |
| 18:26.07 | rryoumaa | so like ssh? |
| 18:26.10 | rryoumaa | ok |
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| 18:26.50 | format_c | OK |
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| 18:27.36 | format_c | rryoumaa, it banns IPs when they have showed rouge behaviour severalt times in logfiles |
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| 18:36.48 | Walex | becks`: it can be too few inodes |
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| 18:48.47 | becks` | thanks Walex, but it looks like there 1M free inodes :-/ |
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| 18:49.23 | Walex | becks`: then there is some problem with memory allocation. Check 'dmesg', logs and 'slabtop'. |
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| 18:50.36 | digdilem | df -i, iirc |
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| 18:50.50 | becks` | dmesg is empty, and "/proc/slabinfo: No such file or directory"... I guess it's because it's openvz |
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| 18:51.19 | becks` | I can fill the ramdisk to 72 MB, never more |
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| 18:55.24 | ws2k3 | howmany mhz is the minimum debian requres? |
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| 19:01.34 | jelly-home | ws2k3: it depends. |
| 19:02.17 | jelly-home | ws2k3: I'm running debian on an arm soc that can scale from 60MHz to 1GHz. The former is very, very slow but it works. |
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| 19:06.26 | psichas | hi friends, i want ask you, one question, which font good for terminal? |
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| 19:08.21 | Towzzer | consolas' |
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| 19:09.50 | rndnick04837 | psichas: misc-fixed bitmap font |
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| 19:10.03 | jelly-home | !start a font war |
| 19:10.04 | dpkg | they all suck |
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| 19:10.07 | rndnick04837 | psichas: good unicode coverage |
| 19:10.27 | psichas | i'll try its |
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| 19:19.00 | psichas | Is consolas font from microsoft? |
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| 19:20.49 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | How to stop this annoying log thingy (eg. dmesg dmesg.0 dmesg.1.gz.....). I wanna a normal big log |
| 19:21.13 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I purged logrotate. |
| 19:21.17 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Will that help? |
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| 19:28.49 | kaste | yes that should do it |
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| 20:04.33 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Hello |
| 20:04.56 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I made SELinux on wheezy using official instructions for lenny |
| 20:05.08 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Now i rebooted and even root cant do much |
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| 20:05.58 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | hostname not set, Most FS not mounted. Most if not all files got no perm to write including temporary files |
| 20:06.09 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | even under root |
| 20:06.38 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I expected "permissive" to follow its description and "Warn" instead of denying |
| 20:06.56 | Towzzer | that's what it does |
| 20:06.59 | Towzzer | maybe you have another mode |
| 20:07.03 | Towzzer | setstatus says what? |
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| 20:07.08 | Towzzer | sestatus ~ |
| 20:07.15 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I checked sestatus |
| 20:07.21 | Towzzer | and |
| 20:07.26 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Permissive, Policyname: default |
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| 20:07.43 | Towzzer | maybe you have unrelated problems |
| 20:07.48 | Towzzer | with a read only root mount |
| 20:07.57 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | The thing i think makes the bad: Policy deny_unknown status: denied |
| 20:08.23 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | It all was ok. Also, i got btrfs for most partitions exept boot |
| 20:08.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Should i do aditional "dancing with drums" about that? |
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| 20:09.08 | Towzzer | i don't know |
| 20:09.20 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | It sad "it wont autolabel it" |
| 20:09.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | and i need to label them my self |
| 20:09.34 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | how can i do it? |
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| 20:20.22 | yehoshua | ciao |
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| 20:25.52 | jhutchins_wk | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: In permissive mode selinux does not prevent anything. If your selinux is in permissive mode it's not the problem. |
| 20:26.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | jhutchins_wk, Sorry, i already got help on #selinux |
| 20:26.30 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | It was 1. Btrfs 2. PAM |
| 20:26.32 | jhutchins_wk | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Some filesystems may not be compatible with selinux contexts. |
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| 20:26.51 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | We fixed the btrfs and now fixing pam |
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| 20:30.33 | yehoshua | ciao ivana |
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| 20:49.31 | learning | hey guys can anyone tell me if this is correct setup of partitions |
| 20:49.40 | learning | http://imgur.com/R8J1AEh is this correct ? |
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| 20:57.35 | babilen | learning: swap looks a bit (well, quite a lot) too large and I would give more space to root .. You want to use LVM either way, so just use the partitioner in the Debian installer. |
| 20:57.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell learning -about install wheezy |
| 20:57.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell learning -about firmware images wheezy |
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| 21:00.33 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | learning: you only need 2gb swap or less; you could always have a swapfile later too |
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| 21:01.04 | learning | ty |
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| 21:01.14 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | also 20gb is usually plenty for / |
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| 21:37.49 | jhutchins_wk | learning: Why do you have a seperate /boot? |
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| 21:48.25 | stuthos | This has nothing to do with Debian, but I assume there are some network-savvy people here: What could be the reason that tracepath/tracerout/mtl doesn't work (gives a "no reply" beyond localhost) when using my normal Internet connection, but all work perfectly when I use a VPN? |
| 21:49.46 | xand | stuthos: the ISP is blocking it |
| 21:49.58 | xand | or your router |
| 21:51.13 | stuthos | xand: Is there any way to find out if it's the ISP or the router? |
| 21:51.26 | stuthos | or which it is... |
| 21:51.41 | xand | given it doesn't even show the router I'd say it was probably that |
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| 21:52.58 | stuthos | And can you think of any reason for why it would be blocked? |
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| 21:54.56 | stuthos | xand: The _network_ connection is also only 10 mbit/s which seems almost suspicious to me. |
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| 21:58.47 | duffduff | hello, the sound stopped working since I ran apt-get upgrade. I'm running wheezy, could anyone give me some advice on things to try? |
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| 22:00.55 | pixelshuck | Hello guys, I have just switched to dvorak, s I type at aprox 1 wpm. My question isw how do I change system wide ^C and ^V? |
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| 22:02.02 | pixelshuck | Shortcuts for copy and paste I meanv |
| 22:02.49 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | anyone know a one liner to parse "dpkg --list" to one line of packages sutable for apt-get? |
| 22:03.29 | duffduff | like this ? dpkg --list|awk '{print $2}' |
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| 22:04.29 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | well, nvm |
| 22:04.33 | duffduff | or this, dpkg --list|egrep ^ii|awk '{print $2}' |
| 22:04.52 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | nvm |
| 22:05.04 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i understood that this is not a solution |
| 22:05.36 | pixelshuck | Hello guys, I have just switched to dvorak, s I type at approx 1 wpm. My question is, how do I change system wide ^C and ^V? |
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| 22:06.09 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Switch back to qwerty? Its much better than dvorak. Dvorak speed is a lie |
| 22:06.40 | pixelshuck | I have own reasons |
| 22:06.51 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | And it is...... |
| 22:07.13 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | You buyed a new keyboard and wanna use it? |
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| 22:07.24 | pixelshuck | No |
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| 22:08.05 | pixelshuck | Actually, I swapped keys on old one |
| 22:08.16 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | XD |
| 22:08.24 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Awesome sir |
| 22:08.26 | an3k | Hi. I want to setup a PPTP-Server onto my public dedicated. I can connect with Win7 without problems. the vpn-server-ip as well as the vpn-client-ip is pingable from the client as well as from the server. |
| 22:08.44 | an3k | the only problem i have is that i cant send/receive data to/from the internet through the vpn-server |
| 22:08.50 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | pixelshuck, So what is you magical reason? |
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| 22:09.04 | an3k | I tried iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE which was mentioned in a howto but then i can't even connect anymore |
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| 22:10.30 | pixelshuck | But, reason is, that i've been taught to type wrong way, it is easier to learn new layout than defeat habit. |
| 22:10.53 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Erm.... what wrong way? |
| 22:10.55 | an3k | and sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 doesn't help at all. I think the problem is that the client is not getting a Gateway ip address but how should i apply it? There is no config setting for ppp or pptp and the dedicated itself doesn't run a dhcp server |
| 22:11.02 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | You typed wrong at qwerty? |
| 22:11.25 | pixelshuck | Yeah, 3 fingers |
| 22:11.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am typing with one hand at qwerty |
| 22:12.02 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Becouse i have too much keyboard around me. And alot needs my interaction |
| 22:12.08 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I even use legs |
| 22:12.10 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Sometimes |
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| 22:13.06 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Using dvorak now is like being black, gay, lefthanded or what ever several years ago |
| 22:13.08 | pixelshuck | I write a lot |
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| 22:13.58 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | People will not understand you. No one will design stuff for you. Everything today is for qwerty. Accept it. |
| 22:14.07 | pixelshuck | So just learning to type correctly will help a lot |
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| 22:14.23 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I dont think using 3 fingers is ba |
| 22:14.25 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | bad |
| 22:14.33 | pixelshuck | it is |
| 22:14.56 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am using 3 fingers and can type with great speeds |
| 22:15.19 | pixelshuck | I just need to change two shortcuts |
| 22:15.28 | an3k | i started with 3 fingers, now i use 8 :) |
| 22:15.29 | pixelshuck | So am I |
| 22:15.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Through its you choice. No, i dont know how to do this. Ask others |
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| 22:15.55 | pixelshuck | But with 10 it will be better |
| 22:16.06 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Hey dudes! Come and help this "dvorak"er with his shortcuts! |
| 22:16.40 | pixelshuck | ... |
| 22:16.41 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Using legs will increase you speeds to near-speed-of-light ones |
| 22:16.50 | pixelshuck | Dude |
| 22:16.56 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | No, rly |
| 22:17.13 | pixelshuck | You are beihg rude right nowv |
| 22:17.17 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Just try to train you self. Buy a second keyboard and try! |
| 22:17.50 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I just F**ked my debian with "wrongly" installed selinux |
| 22:17.57 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | on main server |
| 22:18.25 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | and i got enough hate to kill a rabbit in the field with a shovel |
| 22:18.48 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | If not with eye laser beams |
| 22:19.45 | Towzzer | "but dad, I don't want to kill the rabbit" |
| 22:20.53 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | No, i got enough hate to kill a dragon in space with a wooden stick |
| 22:20.53 | pixelshuck | There are two types of people in this world,those who have lost data, and those who are going to lose data |
| 22:21.00 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | XD |
| 22:21.05 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Also true |
| 22:21.14 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I didnt lose em all. |
| 22:21.23 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | No, i didnt lose at all. |
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| 22:21.36 | pixelshuck | Use backups, Luke! |
| 22:21.52 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But now i need to find hardly made configs all over my system and tar them for reinstall |
| 22:22.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | As idk WHAT EXACTLY selinux broke |
| 22:22.11 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I turned it off |
| 22:22.18 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But its like it still works |
| 22:22.27 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | It doesnt allow even to mount anything |
| 22:22.35 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Or debian to set the host name |
| 22:22.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | so i got (none) hostname |
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| 22:22.57 | pixelshuck | check permissions |
| 22:23.09 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | They are ok i think |
| 22:23.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | yeah, all ok |
| 22:23.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | like they were before |
| 22:23.52 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But nvm, am already backing everything up |
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| 22:24.02 | ootput | less <CR> |
| 22:24.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | and NOT gonna fix mess THAT GOOD |
| 22:24.45 | pixelshuck | next time make full backup |
| 22:25.01 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I dont belive in backups |
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| 22:26.01 | pixelshuck | Sorry, I need to learn. how to write |
| 22:26.33 | pixelshuck | I feel like I'm five |
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| 22:27.54 | ootput | he needs to use his right pinky less |
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| 22:29.57 | pixelshuck | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/922109_444046072341554_1083289331_o.jpg |
| 22:30.33 | pixelshuck | I actually cared to switch keys |
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| 22:32.09 | duffduff | hello, I'm having problemns getting either my external or internal soundcards to play any sound. When I test them from the gstreamer-properties, I get a beep on my external. I can't seem to get any sound from the internal card |
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| 22:39.19 | supp | Is it a bad idea to run wheezy on an Internet-facing server if it's almost 'ready'? |
| 22:39.44 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | I'd been doing that for months |
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| 22:41.43 | pixelshuck | I've seen Apch servers |
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| 22:42.17 | supp | I remember somebody in here mentioning something '... of death' which was a list of security threats in wheezy or something. |
| 22:42.25 | supp | I'd like to see it again if anyone knows what I'm on about. |
| 22:42.36 | notjimcarrey | i rebooted my laptop, and now i'm getting "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xbmc/xbmc.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when I try to run xbmc |
| 22:42.40 | notjimcarrey | any ideas? |
| 22:42.52 | notjimcarrey | it was working fine |
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| 22:56.22 | notjimcarrey | ok. seems mysql is getting a libssl.so.0.9.8 error too |
| 22:56.25 | notjimcarrey | wth |
| 22:56.58 | smw | hi all, how do I see what the version of a package is in experimental vs stable? |
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| 22:57.28 | smw | sudo apt-cache -t experimental show is still showing the same version when packages.debian.org has a different version for experimental |
| 22:58.06 | dvs | smw: apt-cache search ? |
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| 22:59.03 | smw | dvs, I want version numbers |
| 22:59.31 | smw | dvs, when I do apt-cache show, I get a version number but it is the stable version number |
| 22:59.44 | smw | I want to know the version of experimental without having to go to packages.debian.org |
| 22:59.58 | dvs | smw: apt-cache policy, soory |
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| 23:00.43 | smw | dvs, that is much nicer than show... but not printing the information I wanted |
| 23:01.32 | smw | dvs, I want the experimental version for sabnzbdplus. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/sabnzbdplus says 0.7.11-1 and policy says 0.6.15-1 |
| 23:02.05 | supp | notjimcarrey: # aptitude install libssl0.9.8 |
| 23:02.10 | supp | Give that a go. |
| 23:02.40 | notjimcarrey | "No candidate version found for libssl0.9.8" |
| 23:02.51 | dvs | ,v sabnzbplus |
| 23:02.52 | judd | No package named 'sabnzbplus' was found in i386. |
| 23:03.06 | dvs | ,v sabnzbdplus |
| 23:03.07 | judd | Package: sabnzbdplus on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 0.5.4-1; sid/contrib: 0.6.15-1; wheezy/contrib: 0.6.15-1; experimental/contrib: 0.7.11-1 |
| 23:03.16 | supp | notjimcarrey: Running testing? |
| 23:03.20 | notjimcarrey | supp: yes |
| 23:03.36 | notjimcarrey | was working fine till reboot |
| 23:03.41 | supp | No idea what to do, sorry. |
| 23:03.45 | notjimcarrey | no prob |
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| 23:03.53 | Akuw | hi |
| 23:04.01 | supp | Hi. |
| 23:04.06 | Akuw | i have this http://www.pastebin.ca/2363284 firewall |
| 23:04.22 | smw | judd, yeah, how do I get that info on the cmdline? |
| 23:04.43 | Akuw | i can connect to google but when make clic on link i can |
| 23:04.46 | Akuw | can't |
| 23:06.14 | smw | judd, dvs looks like I don't have experimental/contrib... thanks for the help |
| 23:06.27 | Akuw | any help? |
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| 23:06.55 | supp | Akuw: It may take a little while, be patient. |
| 23:07.10 | supp | Someone will come along eventually. :) |
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| 23:12.30 | Akuw | supp: did you saw the pastebin? |
| 23:13.07 | supp | Akuw: I did but I don't know the answer to your problem. |
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| 23:14.57 | Akuw | ho ok |
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| 23:37.10 | SARC | I would like to remove the i8042: No controller found error in boot. What file do I modify? |
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| 23:39.24 | tharkun | SARC: get the i8042 controller file ;P |
| 23:39.44 | SARC | tharkun: My server doesnt have a PS2 port. |
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| 23:40.06 | SARC | i.e., i dont want it to even try to load |
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| 23:40.54 | tharkun | SARC: Is the error so relevant? |
| 23:41.13 | SARC | i would rather not see it |
| 23:41.28 | SARC | and also |
| 23:41.28 | SARC | Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... |
| 23:41.34 | SARC | id rather not see that either. |
| 23:41.56 | tharkun | so it is indeed cosmetic. |
| 23:42.21 | SARC | whether or not it is cosmetic, id like to learn what config file I need to modify to prevent it |
| 23:43.01 | tharkun | SARC: google preventing kernel modules from loading |
| 23:43.12 | tharkun | Give or take a few linux terms |
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| 23:44.48 | prompt32 | try a blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 23:45.11 | prompt32 | SARC : try a blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 23:45.38 | SARC | i am running wheezy... is it different from squeeze? I have /etc/modprobe.d, but do i create a new file there? |
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| 23:47.44 | kyconquers | my laptop just crashed and I reinstalled it with a net install of debian wheezy and changed the source list to testing, after updating and upgrading I could get the network manager to allow me to search for a network. |
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| 23:48.30 | kyconquers | iwconfig shows no wireless extension, yet I was about to use wireless networks before the crash. |
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| 23:49.07 | prompt32 | yes a conf file of lines, ie : blacklist pcspkr |
| 23:49.26 | kyconquers | how can I get my laptop to recognize that it has a wireless card and be able to use it. |
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| 23:50.07 | kyconquers | prompt32, was that to me? I don't understand what you mean by that. |
| 23:50.09 | philluminati | kyconquers: do you what wireless network card you have? |
| 23:50.10 | ssokolow | How do I solve "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" if apt-get refuses to tell me the key I need to import? (For http://archive.panda3d.org/) The guys in #ubuntu seem to be clueless and Google isn't helping. |
| 23:50.36 | kyconquers | philluminati, no, is there a command I can run that might still recognize it. |
| 23:50.41 | ssokolow | (My brother's update manager GUI doesn't offer an "OK. Install anyway" button.) |
| 23:51.05 | philluminati | kyconquers: I am asking if there is an instruction booklet that came with the computer that said who made the wireless card |
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| 23:51.17 | kyconquers | philluminati, no. |
| 23:51.25 | philluminati | If you bought it online kyconquers, do you have a link to the original machine? |
| 23:51.27 | kyconquers | philluminati, I was assigned this laptop for work. |
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| 23:52.08 | philluminati | The easiest way to be sure kyconquers is to look up the manufacturer/model of the laptop which should be printed somewhere |
| 23:52.14 | kyconquers | it is a ProBook 6460b I will find the name of the card online. |
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| 23:53.12 | philluminati | kyconquers: looks like a broadcom wireless card |
| 23:53.20 | philluminati | http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/hp-probook-6460b.aspx |
| 23:53.45 | prompt32 | or use , lspci , or lsusb commands |
| 23:54.21 | philluminati | kyconquers: this looks like your Debian related documentation page, if I were to guess: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 23:54.39 | prompt32 | to find ur vendor/model |
| 23:55.48 | kyconquers | philluminati, yes that is the one I followed, but the modprobe wl returns with "FATAL: Module wl not found" |
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| 23:57.41 | philluminati | kyconquers: I assume you've done the steps before 'modprobe' |
| 23:57.56 | kyconquers | philluminati, Network cotroller Intel Coperation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 {Taylor Peak] (rev 34) |
| 23:58.06 | kyconquers | philluminati, yes, |
| 23:58.17 | philluminati | and no problems before the modprobe line? |
| 23:58.25 | kyconquers | none at all |
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| 23:58.44 | philluminati | i.e. you were able to run the command "m-a a-i broadcom-sta" successfully? |
| 23:58.51 | philluminati | (sorry, but I have to ask) |
| 23:58.57 | angs | what ntp server does a debian use to fetch the time info? |
| 23:59.14 | kyconquers | the only difference is that in the source list, I use testing rather then wheezy |
| 23:59.38 | babilen | kyconquers: Is your wireless card a pci or usb one? |
