| 00:00.06 | philluminati | kyconquers: ok, that shouldn't matter |
| 00:00.07 | kyconquers | philluminati, I followed the instructions for the wheezy set up which does not say I should run that command. |
| 00:00.10 | babilen | kyconquers: I wouldn't recommend to use "testing" as you are in for quite a surprise after the release |
| 00:00.33 | kyconquers | babilen, PCI |
| 00:00.36 | philluminati | kyconquers: if I were you, I'd move to this documentation page: http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 00:00.50 | babilen | kyconquers: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
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| 00:01.08 | Tramp | angs: those set in its configuration file |
| 00:01.20 | kyconquers | babilen, I thought that would only happen after I did a dist-realease, otherwise it is the same flavor with he latest libs. |
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| 00:01.55 | angs | Tramp, what configuration file do I need to check? |
| 00:01.59 | philluminati | kyconquers: also, if I recall there is a package in debian called firmware-wireless. Installing that might provide another broadcom driver you could try and load |
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| 00:02.09 | babilen | kyconquers: You should run "dist-upgrades" anyway, but upgrades will upgrade you to jessie as well after wheezy's release. The difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that dist-upgrade is allowed to remove packages. |
| 00:02.38 | Tramp | angs: the one in the FILES section of "man ntpd" |
| 00:02.45 | kyconquers | babilen, the command doesn't print anything. |
| 00:02.50 | ssokolow | Hmm. Apparently the panda3d repo simply doesn't provide a GPG key. Is there a way to allow insecure packages from one specific repo (or to force a "Just install anyway" button to appear in Update Manager) or do I just have to turn off SecureApt altogether to make my brother happy? (As you can guess, I'd rather avoid the last option) |
| 00:03.09 | babilen | kyconquers: In short: use "wheezy" if you plan to stay on wheezy :) -- Ok, could you show me the entire output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 00:03.10 | kyconquers | philluminati, I will install firmware-wireless then. |
| 00:03.20 | zykotick9 | babilen: dist-upgrade can also install new packages (important for kernel updates). kyconquers |
| 00:03.37 | babilen | ssokolow: We neither support Ubuntu nor that third-party repository here. |
| 00:04.06 | babilen | zykotick9: oh, yes. absolutely |
| 00:04.35 | ssokolow | babilen: But you know more about how apt-get works than the novices who populate #ubuntu and Google isn't very helpful at learning how to configure it. |
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| 00:04.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell ssokolow -about based on debian |
| 00:04.49 | kyconquers | it can't locate firmware-wireless. |
| 00:05.10 | babilen | ssokolow: If you want Debian support then use Debian :) -- wheezy is quite nice and you can install it by following "/msg dpkg wheezy" |
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| 00:05.40 | kyconquers | I will reinstall and stay with just wheezy. if it still doesn't work I will return. babilen philluminati |
| 00:05.46 | babilen | kyconquers: That package does not exist. The correct way to configure your device really depends on which broadcom chipset you have. The output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn" would help us to figure that out. |
| 00:05.48 | ssokolow | babilen: Ok, so you're saying I have to spin up a copy of Debian in VirtualBox, add panda3d's debian repo to that, and THEN come back here and ask how to make apt-get ignore the absense of Release.gpg for one specific source? |
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| 00:06.46 | kyconquers | babilen, I am using xchat on a separate box. I will paste it after I install xchat on the target box. |
| 00:06.48 | babilen | ssokolow: No, I would still not recommend to use that third-party repo. You definitely don't want to disable secureapt, but please ask in #ubuntu as you are an Ubuntu user (afaict) and we only support Debain in here for a number of technical and social reasons |
| 00:06.58 | babilen | kyconquers: No, paste it to http://paste.debian.net |
| 00:07.15 | ssokolow | babilen: I've already asked in #ubuntu and it's too technical for them to answer. Is there a support channel for apt-get itself? |
| 00:07.21 | babilen | no |
| 00:07.33 | babilen | try ##linux |
| 00:07.42 | philluminati | kyconquers: before you give up and do a reinstall. the theory behind making wireless work is "lsmod" (to list kernel modules) modprobe (to load a driver), rmmon (to remove a driver). Then it's a case of looking for the right broadcom driver, loading it, seeing if it makes wlan0 show up in iwconfig, if not, unload try and another |
| 00:07.46 | ssokolow | babilen: Thanks anyway. |
| 00:07.49 | philluminati | you should eventually get there. |
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| 00:08.48 | babilen | philluminati, kyconquers: Just a note .. the combination is typically "modprobe" and "modprobe -r" rather than rmmod |
| 00:09.32 | philluminati | kyconquers: also, try installing firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:09.39 | philluminati | to see if any of those drivers help |
| 00:09.58 | kyconquers | paste.debian.net/250755/ |
| 00:10.08 | babilen | kyconquers: Thanks! |
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| 00:11.01 | babilen | kyconquers: The command was "lspci -n ; lspci -nn" not "lspci -nm" |
| 00:11.27 | philluminati | is there an upgrade path from debian 6 to debian 7? |
| 00:11.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell philluminati -about wheezy release notes |
| 00:11.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell philluminati -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 00:12.06 | babilen | philluminati: IOW: yes :) |
| 00:12.11 | kyconquers_ | http://paste.debian.net/250756/ |
| 00:12.14 | philluminati | Is it this easy? http://www.garron.me/linux/upgrade-debian-squeeze-wheeze-6.0-7.0.html |
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| 00:12.55 | babilen | philluminati: Follow the release notes, not some random blog post. |
| 00:13.23 | babilen | kyconquers: You have an Intel Centrino wireless card not a broadcom one. |
| 00:13.49 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:0085 |
| 00:13.50 | judd | [8086:0085] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0085 |
| 00:14.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell kyconquers -about iwlwifi |
| 00:14.36 | philluminati | babilen: are there release notes? it isn't actually out yet is it? |
| 00:14.47 | babilen | philluminati: yes, the bot send you a link |
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| 00:15.03 | philluminati | oh yeah, sorry it did send me a link |
| 00:15.07 | babilen | kyconquers: You have to install firmware-iwlwifi and then reload the module with "modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi" (or reboot, which might actually be necessary) |
| 00:15.21 | babilen | kyconquers: Once you've installed that your wifi device should work. |
| 00:15.22 | asciiker | hello |
| 00:16.21 | babilen | kyconquers: Enjoy! :) |
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| 00:16.28 | kyconquers | thank you babilen :) |
| 00:16.31 | babilen | is off now -- have a good night all! |
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| 00:17.22 | babilen | kyconquers: Oh, if you test with network-manager -- make sure that you have no mention of wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces (as documented on http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager and in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian) |
| 00:18.13 | kyconquers | babilen philluminati it works. :) |
| 00:18.19 | kyconquers | aw, he left. |
| 00:18.33 | kyconquers | thanks for your help philluminati |
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| 00:19.24 | philluminati | glad you're up and running kyconquers |
| 00:19.35 | philluminati | nce you've installed that your wifi device should work. |
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| 00:26.03 | dfx | hello guys i've installed this http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#Troubleshooting for my dongle and i can see my wifi in the list but when i click it nothin happens can someone help |
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| 00:29.23 | sun0s | dfx, driver realtek 8187B don't work well with actual kernel of debian 6.0.7 |
| 00:30.25 | sun0s | I have update for kernel 3.2.6, and works very well |
| 00:30.41 | dfx | sun0s: im on wheezy |
| 00:30.45 | philluminati | I'm reading the release notes and how to upgrade from 6 to 7. I have two third party packages on my system. 1) The Opera web browser, which I retrieve via web browser download and 2) Spotify which is installed via a repo hosted by spotify. Do people agree with the section that says I need to explcitly uninstall these programs before performing the upgrade? |
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| 00:31.16 | philluminati | I totally understand their dependencies would break the upgrade and possibly hold packages back. |
| 00:31.30 | philluminati | So is it typical to uninstall these packages? |
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| 00:32.35 | an3k | wow, linux is so fucking stupid. you can't remove a package if another package is left with unment dependencies, regardless if aptitude, apt-get or even dpkg is used. I'm root and you have to stfu. If i want to delete a file you need to keep running, stfu and let me delete it. |
| 00:32.47 | sun0s | dfx, what your wifi driver? |
| 00:33.22 | nkuttler | an3k: linux is a kernel, not a package manager |
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| 00:33.53 | an3k | and why the heck does the PPTPd issue ip addresses? It would be ok if it would send the gateway address too but no, that can only be done by a real DHCP server but you cannot use one because then PPTPd and DHCPd interference ... |
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| 00:34.36 | an3k | nkuttler: since aptitude/apt-get/dpkg is ONLY available on Linux ... |
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| 00:35.05 | sun0s | philluminati, apt-get remove --purge package |
| 00:35.33 | dfx | sun0s: what may be the issue ? |
| 00:35.50 | sun0s | dfx, command -> lsusb |
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| 00:36.21 | an3k | sun0s: does not work |
| 00:36.54 | sun0s | dfx, e.g -> lsusb out -> Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless |
| 00:37.28 | dfx | sun0s: as i said ican see the wifi list but when i clik nethin happens here you go http://pastie.org/7677615 with the id i got that wiki page |
| 00:37.32 | zykotick9 | sun0s: "a-g remove --purge foo" can be shortened to "a-g purge foo" these days. philluminati |
| 00:37.51 | an3k | if you have unmet dependencies after removing a package, apt-get, aptitude and even dpkg are not going to remove the package |
| 00:38.42 | grok0 | an3k:dpkg --remove --force-depends package-name |
| 00:38.56 | an3k | oh wow, thank you! |
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| 00:39.11 | sun0s | grok0, very well too |
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| 00:39.47 | cybes | hi all |
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| 00:40.06 | dfx1 | sun0s: you saw the wiki page ? |
| 00:40.19 | cybes | the usb device of the debian system i'm using is disabled..is there any way i can enable it |
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| 00:40.40 | cybes | i need to copy some mp4s to it |
| 00:40.44 | an3k | root@ded01:~# dpkg --purge --force-depends ppp |
| 00:40.52 | cybes | can anyone please help |
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| 00:40.58 | an3k | root@ded01:~# dpkg --purge --force-depends pptpd |
| 00:41.02 | an3k | dpkg: warning: while removing pptpd, directory '/etc/ppp' not empty so not removed. |
| 00:41.02 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, an3k |
| 00:41.24 | SARC | I am a little confused. I was able to do a blacklist for pcspkr sucessfully, but for i8042 it seems to not have any affect? |
| 00:41.33 | an3k | so --purge does not remove config files for sure anymore ... awesome, it's like windows now |
| 00:41.47 | cybes | an3k: for me? |
| 00:42.00 | cybes | that command? |
| 00:42.05 | sun0s | dfx1, Wistron NeWeb UR054g 802.11g Wireless Adapter [Intersil ISL3887] this is your driver? |
| 00:42.07 | an3k | cybes: no |
| 00:42.13 | cybes | oh okay |
| 00:44.11 | sun0s | dfx1, wiki here look -> http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 |
| 00:44.15 | dfx1 | sun0s: so the driver its a good one cus i found its id vendor in that page |
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| 00:45.18 | dfx1 | sun0s: i already installed the fw and now i can detect my wifi but when i click it via network manager to get connected nothin happaned |
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| 00:47.25 | sun0s | dfx1, so can be your kernel version .. I have problems with differents kernels |
| 00:47.30 | philluminati | thanks sun0s |
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| 00:48.32 | sun0s | dfx1, download ubuntu desktop 12.04 livecd and test with wifi adapter and look kernel version running on ubuntu |
| 00:48.43 | sun0s | dfx, download ubuntu desktop 12.04 livecd and test with wifi adapter and look kernel version running on ubuntu |
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| 00:49.45 | sun0s | don't install, only running from livecd |
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| 00:55.54 | nominatethatguy | Hi all, I've been trying for the past few days to get debian running on my laptop... I've been having no luck at getting the Nvidia drivers and the Wireless drivers to work... |
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| 00:57.15 | dfx1 | sun0s: and why would i test ubuntu ? if iwanted it iwould instal it in first place |
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| 01:00.16 | sun0s | dfx1, for discovery what kernel version work well with your wifi adapter |
| 01:01.51 | sun0s | can install too ubuntu desktop |
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| 01:04.45 | sun0s | Deivan, br man |
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| 01:08.03 | JC_SoCal | how do i tell which hard drives i have? the /dev/sda1 2 3 and 4 and /dev/sdb etc |
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| 01:10.54 | zykotick9 | JC_SoCal: a couple of options for you: # fdisk -l (NOT for gpt partitions!), # parted -l, # blkid, "there's others too |
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| 01:12.00 | JC_SoCal | thanks |
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| 01:12.51 | Blue1 | !wheezy |
| 01:12.51 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) is scheduled for release on the weekend of 4th/5th May 2013. Ask me about <install wheezy>, <wheezy release notes>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
| 01:13.10 | straterra | Bleh. Do you guys know of any way to get libcurl4-nss-dev on Squeeze? |
| 01:13.53 | Blue1 | !install wheezy |
| 01:13.53 | dpkg | The best way to install wheezy is probably to use the wheezy installer release candidate (ask me about <wheezy installer>) which you can grab it from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . Thanks for testing the installer and the upcoming release. Also ask me about <installer firmware wheezy>, <install guide wheezy>, <testing security> and <apt-listbugs>. |
| 01:14.40 | sun0s | straterra, apt-cache search libcurl |
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| 01:17.12 | sun0s | straterra, or -> http://packages.debian.org/sid/libcurl4-nss-dev |
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| 01:17.42 | straterra | Yeah |
| 01:17.49 | straterra | ff, this is annoying |
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| 01:18.31 | sun0s | so so |
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| 01:27.56 | SARC | Does anyone here know exactly what "megasas: INIT adapter done" means (in dmesg)? |
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| 01:30.13 | an3k | http://pastebin.com/mgFzWaUR ... best solution ever |
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| 02:19.06 | bobthepurple | anyone here familiar with ACPI errors related to hardware? |
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| 02:19.31 | bobthepurple | if so, I'm getting the following: |
| 02:20.25 | bobthepurple | ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.EC0_._Q41] (node ffff88011928dbe0), AE_NOT_FOUND (20121018/psparse-537) |
| 02:20.46 | bobthepurple | and |
| 02:21.14 | bobthepurple | ACPI Error: [\SB__.IADP] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20121018/psargs-359) |
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| 02:26.05 | tharkun | Gentlmen need some help firmware file b43/ucode15.fw or b43-open/ucode15.fw what package do I need to dismember so I can install wheezy? |
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| 02:28.40 | bobthepurple | read this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60697 |
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| 02:35.20 | bobthepurple | anyone alive in here? |
| 02:35.36 | tharkun | yes, kind of in a hurry :) |
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| 02:42.01 | SARC | I am confused. I added i8042.noaux to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, then performed update-grub, but this doesn't seem to have any effect, as I still receive i8042: no controller found. Did I do something incorrectly? |
| 02:43.48 | bobthepurple | do you have it enabled generally? |
| 02:44.08 | SARC | i want to have i8042 disabled actually |
| 02:44.19 | SARC | but i havent done anything else other than the GRUB entry |
| 02:46.51 | bobthepurple | why do you want to disable it? |
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| 02:47.58 | bobthepurple | mayhaps: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28736/what-does-the-i8042-nomux-1-kernel-option-do-during-booting-of-ubuntu |
| 02:48.06 | tharkun | SARC: is your keyboard ps2? |
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| 02:48.38 | SARC | my keyboard is usb... in fact my system has no ps2 controller, thus i'd like to disable i8042 alltogether |
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| 02:49.31 | bobthepurple | well if you don't need to disable it, why bother |
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| 02:50.52 | seeker61 | just wondering. is debian based in bsd or system V release 4 |
| 02:51.11 | SARC | bobthepurple: it bothers me |
| 02:53.14 | tharkun | IIRC there is a blacklist of modules you don't want to load but then that is modprobe and your choice to tweak your system. I've learned to live with a few minor anoyances. |
| 02:53.56 | SARC | tharkun, i tried to blacklist i8046 but it had no effect... weird but really annoying nonetheless |
| 02:55.36 | tharkun | SARC: blacklisting the kernel module will still let the kernel scan for it. Due to some unknown reason to me you actually told your kernel to look for that type of hardware |
| 02:56.49 | SARC | tharkun: I didnt ask the kernel to look for that type of hardware... debian is doing that from a clean install |
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| 03:59.43 | SARC | What happened to libnss-mysql in Wheezy? Is it no longer supported? |
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| 04:11.49 | SARC | What happened to libnss-mysql in Wheezy? Is it no longer supported? |
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| 04:16.33 | Rusty1 | SARC: aptitude search libnss-mysql ? |
| 04:17.04 | SARC | Rusty1: It's not part of wheezy. |
| 04:17.58 | SARC | The only tihng ive found is libnss-mysql-bg but I am unsure that it is the samething. I think it is not because squeeze has libnss-mysql-bg too |
| 04:19.38 | Rusty1 | You would use it instead of the other |
| 04:19.39 | Rusty1 | "libnss-mysql" package for building an NSS over an existing database |
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| 04:34.18 | wsky | hey hey again |
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| 04:35.30 | wsky | is there a possibility of fixing php5-gd debian bug and is it fixed in wheezy? |
| 04:36.42 | wsky | the bug prevents jpgraph from working |
| 04:37.14 | wsky | which kinda makes my test environment for this library useless pretty much unless i'll find a solution |
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| 04:48.34 | impulse | how can i keep udev from starting on boot? |
| 04:48.58 | wsky | why would you want to do this? |
| 04:49.17 | impulse | it errors and won't let me boot |
| 04:49.41 | wsky | what kind of errors does it display? |
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| 04:50.05 | wsky | and afaik udev is kinda mandatory nowdays to run linux properly |
| 04:50.27 | impulse | let me check again |
| 04:51.19 | impulse | unable to receive control connection: function not implemented |
| 04:51.32 | wsky | which debian version is it? |
| 04:51.33 | impulse | it just loops that message |
| 04:51.45 | impulse | sid |
| 04:51.52 | wsky | ouch |
| 04:51.56 | impulse | tried to upgrade from wheezy |
| 04:52.03 | impulse | is that old? |
| 04:52.08 | wsky | no no |
| 04:52.20 | impulse | this is on an openmoko freerunner |
| 04:52.21 | wsky | i think you should purge udev from chroot and reinstall it |
| 04:52.25 | impulse | k |
| 04:52.51 | wsky | alsmo i'm not familiar with this device |
| 04:53.16 | impulse | it's arm based |
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| 05:06.02 | impulse | purging was a good idea |
| 05:06.06 | impulse | looking promising now |
| 05:06.19 | impulse | after properly chrooting too |
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| 05:08.23 | impulse | damn same error |
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| 05:23.26 | impulse | how can i downgrade udev? |
| 05:23.57 | impulse | is there a cleaner way than temporarily changing sources.list? |
| 05:24.58 | smw | impulse, apt-get install udev=<version> |
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| 05:25.06 | impulse | thanks |
| 05:26.12 | smw | impulse, if you don't have access to the version, you need to use http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 05:27.15 | impulse | how do i use that? |
| 05:27.18 | impulse | add to sources.list? |
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| 05:28.21 | smw | impulse, the site explains it |
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| 05:32.10 | impulse | how can i tell which udev will work with kernel 2.6.34? |
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| 05:59.50 | Blue1 | the debian live cd does NOT contain gparted? |
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| 06:22.53 | Gentoon | Hello I am having problems finding the base package for JRE |
| 06:23.08 | Gentoon | I am going to be installing a Minecraft server on a VPS |
| 06:23.14 | Gentoon | and I need java installed |
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| 06:23.26 | Gentoon | But apt-cache search java shows so many packages |
| 06:23.35 | Gentoon | I was going to do default-java |
| 06:23.56 | Gentoon | err default-jre but that wanted to install a bunch of x11 depends |
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| 06:24.32 | LtL | Gentoon: do yourself a favor and get java 7 here, its perfectly good. http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en |
| 06:25.12 | LtL | Gentoon: its a script that will install oracle java 7 jre |
| 06:25.41 | LtL | Gentoon: squeeze has only java 6 |
| 06:25.50 | Gentoon | I found a headless version though |
| 06:25.58 | Gentoon | On the repos |
| 06:26.07 | LtL | okay then |
| 06:26.16 | Gentoon | I mean it is 6 |
| 06:26.21 | Gentoon | But should do the job |
| 06:26.24 | LtL | yuk 6 |
| 06:26.27 | Gentoon | I am not developing or anything |
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| 06:26.37 | Gentoon | Just running a jar lol |
| 06:26.38 | LtL | bad news though 6 is |
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| 06:28.54 | jpinx | Gentoon: you can see what's available for your setup by asking aptitude to search for jre |
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| 06:30.28 | jpinx | Gentoon: I know people write useful scripts about installing stuff and they have the best of intentions, but support in here is limited to the debian repos |
| 06:30.53 | jpinx | ^^ .... stuff you get from the debian repos |
| 06:30.59 | LtL | my apologies, that's true. |
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| 06:31.21 | jpinx | LtL nice work though :) |
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| 06:46.18 | Gentoon | jpinx: You obviously didn't read anything I said |
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| 06:46.35 | Gentoon | I dont use aptitude I use apt-cache search |
| 06:46.37 | Gentoon | and I did |
| 06:46.47 | Gentoon | I need a 64-bit headless version |
| 06:46.56 | Gentoon | Which I do not see in the repos |
| 06:47.39 | Gentoon | And I see none in the repos |
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| 06:48.52 | jpinx | dpkg: java |
| 06:48.52 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:49.20 | jpinx | Gentoon: pick your way through the references in that factoid :) |
| 06:49.21 | Gentoon | That was useless.. |
| 06:49.27 | Gentoon | I have searched the supported repos |
| 06:49.37 | Gentoon | There are no packages for a headless 64 bit JRE |
| 06:49.56 | Gentoon | I don't see how you do not understand? |
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| 06:50.50 | jpinx | dpkg: jre |
| 06:50.50 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:51.27 | jpinx | judd versions openjdk |
| 06:51.29 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in i386. |
| 06:51.47 | jpinx | dpkg install java |
| 06:51.48 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 06:52.12 | Gentoon | You realize none of that is relative to what I need right? |
| 06:52.24 | Gentoon | I don't just need to install java |
| 06:52.28 | Gentoon | That is simple |
| 06:52.39 | LtL | sun-java6-jdk maybe? |
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| 06:52.43 | jpinx | goes to research in private |
| 06:52.45 | Gentoon | I need a 64-bit version of JRE that is headless |
| 06:53.01 | Gentoon | LtL: That isnt headless |
| 06:53.21 | Gentoon | nor 64 bit lol |
| 06:53.28 | LtL | i didn't think so, wasn't quite sure. |
| 06:53.32 | Gentoon | Nevermind I will figure it out haha |
| 06:53.40 | Gentoon | Thx for trying guys |
| 06:53.44 | Gentoon | Go Debian! |
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| 06:58.27 | Gentoon | Looks like ya have to get the java64.bin and install manually |
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| 07:01.33 | ashin | can any one help to install ath9k wifi driver |
| 07:02.02 | histo | dpkg tell ashin about firmware |
| 07:02.45 | skiz_ | coughs and attempts to speak in a dpkg voice |
| 07:03.00 | ashin | Atheros Communications Inc. Device 0032 (rev 01) |
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| 07:04.28 | ompaul | http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 07:04.42 | ompaul | ashin: ^^ perhaps that link will help you |
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| 07:06.14 | ashin | i dont get |
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| 07:07.07 | histo | ashin: click the link |
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| 07:07.46 | ashin | i have done it |
| 07:08.09 | ashin | but no change |
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| 07:08.23 | ompaul | ashin: have you restarted since? |
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| 07:08.41 | ompaul | or have you started wicd or networkmanager (they don't work together) |
| 07:09.06 | ompaul | ashin: do you have a physical switch on your laptop for the wireless |
| 07:09.32 | Gentoon | root@bacon:/opt/java/64# ./jre-7u21-linux-x64 |
| 07:09.32 | Gentoon | bash: ./jre-7u21-linux-x64: cannot execute binary file |
| 07:09.39 | smw | Anyone know how to get flash working in wheezy? I installed flashplugin-nonfree but neither iceweasel nor chormium see it |
| 07:09.54 | Gentoon | Anyone know why that might be happening? |
| 07:09.59 | Gentoon | it has 775? |
| 07:10.20 | ompaul | Gentoon: if you read the instructions with that java you would have seen it says /usr/local/bin and you know if it has 775 when you ls -al it |
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| 07:10.57 | ompaul | Gentoon: however I only wanted icedtea to run some stuff so I don't have it installed (no orakle here thanks) |
| 07:11.33 | ompaul | smw: how did you install it? |
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| 07:11.51 | smw | ompaul, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:12.14 | ompaul | smw: then do this please and tell me what is on the installed line apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 07:13.10 | smw | ompaul, Installed: 1:3.2 |
| 07:13.47 | ompaul | smw: you have closed your browser since? |
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| 07:14.27 | ad0le | are any of you guys using VMware vSphere for virtualization? I need 3 lightweight development machinces (#1 - postgresql, #2 - apache_mod-mono, and #3 svn and ftp) and was hoping a quad core / 8 gig box would virtualize all 3 reasonably well with access via ssh. Hoping to find someone with experience. |
| 07:14.31 | smw | ompaul, I have certainly closed iceweasel since |
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| 07:15.04 | Gentoon | ompaul: I put the bin in that directory manuallt, what are you even talking about |
| 07:15.18 | ompaul | Gentoon: nothing you read anyway ;-) |
| 07:15.20 | Gentoon | I know it has 775 |
| 07:15.36 | Gentoon | ompaul: Do you even understand what I am trying to do? |
| 07:15.38 | ompaul | Gentoon: I read the oracle docs yesterday |
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| 07:15.44 | ompaul | yes I most certainly do |
| 07:16.01 | Gentoon | 00:10 < ompaul> Gentoon: if you read the instructions with that java you would have seen it says /usr/local/bin and you know if it has 775 when you ls -al it |
| 07:16.05 | Gentoon | This says you dont |
| 07:16.19 | Gentoon | I downloaded the Bin from Oracle |
| 07:16.29 | Gentoon | Doesnt matter where I put it |
| 07:16.38 | ompaul | Gentoon: your use of the word even means I have no further input |
| 07:16.55 | Gentoon | Elaborate then, please. |
| 07:18.07 | ompaul | Gentoon: search the oracle site for this Note about root access: |
| 07:18.14 | ompaul | on the instructions page have a nice day |
| 07:18.57 | ompaul | smw: I find that unusual, that you got to that point and it didn't pick it up, I've never seen it fail on debian before |
| 07:19.16 | ompaul | smw: at least when installed from packages |
| 07:19.33 | smw | ompaul, hm :-\ |
| 07:20.22 | ompaul | smw: with browser off try this, no promises but you never know worth trying as root dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:20.40 | ompaul | Gentoon: I'm all heart this was the page I was referring to http://java.com/en/download/help/linux_x64_install.xml |
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| 07:20.53 | RigidWig_ | +1 (951) 491-3019 |
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| 07:22.52 | Gentoon | ompaul: Nothing to do with root, tested as root as well, thanks though. |
| 07:23.11 | Gentoon | ompaul: I am on that page, and it doesnt behave as it says it should |
| 07:23.49 | ompaul | Gentoon: I guess thats ##oracle then ;-) |
| 07:24.03 | Gentoon | Naw |
| 07:24.05 | ompaul | as I said I don't have to use it, so I don't - but I had read that page yesterday |
| 07:24.05 | Gentoon | Its Debian |
| 07:24.18 | ompaul | no, it's not a debian build |
| 07:24.21 | smw | ompaul, flash it working now |
| 07:24.23 | ompaul | so it can't be debian |
| 07:24.26 | Gentoon | First off it says its a Tar.Gz |
| 07:24.31 | ompaul | got to be upstream |
| 07:24.42 | Gentoon | It isnt its just a .gz |
| 07:24.48 | ompaul | smw: enjoy |
| 07:24.57 | smw | ompaul, :-) |
| 07:25.15 | Gentoon | jre-7u21-linuxx64,gz |
| 07:25.49 | Gentoon | And after uncompressing its just jre-7u21-linux64 |
| 07:25.56 | Gentoon | and if I give it 775 |
| 07:26.01 | Gentoon | it cannot be run |
| 07:26.26 | Gentoon | Is that supposed to be the Java Binary? |
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| 07:26.29 | ompaul | Gentoon: then cd to jre1.7.0_21/bin and type ./java |
| 07:26.30 | Zitter | hi, is it possible to "block" a website from <n> to <m> without installing a proxy server? |
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| 07:26.46 | Gentoon | ompaul: That dir doesnt exist |
| 07:26.50 | ompaul | Zitter: iptables |
| 07:26.55 | Gentoon | How would it |
| 07:27.05 | Gentoon | What would have created that directory? |
| 07:27.12 | ompaul | Gentoon: tar xvfz jre-7u21-linux-x64.tar.g |
| 07:27.16 | ompaul | and work from there |
| 07:27.19 | Gentoon | Omg |
| 07:27.25 | Gentoon | Please read what I said |
| 07:27.29 | Zitter | ompaul, with iptables can I manage time too? Which option I have to look? thanks anyway |
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| 07:27.31 | ompaul | Gentoon: I have no interest in java |
| 07:27.34 | Gentoon | it isnt a .tar.gz |
| 07:27.44 | Gentoon | Then quit trying to help |
| 07:27.48 | ompaul | Gentoon: eh it was yesterday when I downloaded it to look at it |
| 07:27.58 | Gentoon | I told you 3 times.. its just a gz with one file inside |
| 07:28.03 | Gentoon | that I cannot execute |
| 07:28.14 | ompaul | root@lah1009:/usr/local/jre1.7.0_21/bin |
| 07:28.24 | ad0le | make-jpkg jre-7uxxxx-linux-x64.tar.gz > |
| 07:28.27 | ad0le | ? |
| 07:28.27 | Gentoon | Great I dont have that dir |
| 07:28.28 | ompaul | explain that then ... seems I got further along the line |
| 07:28.35 | Zitter | ok options are --timstart and --timestop |
| 07:28.36 | ompaul | and I didn't want it |
| 07:28.37 | Gentoon | Then you used a different file |
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| 07:29.35 | Gentoon | http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=76852 |
| 07:29.41 | Gentoon | This is the file |
| 07:29.53 | ompaul | never use an RPM on debian |
| 07:30.02 | Gentoon | Its not an rpm |
| 07:30.08 | Gentoon | are you serious right now/ |
| 07:30.13 | ad0le | lol |
| 07:30.13 | ompaul | it was when I clicked on it |
| 07:30.16 | ad0le | me too |
| 07:30.23 | Gentoon | its a gunzip I told you that 4 times |
| 07:30.45 | Gentoon | http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=76853 |
| 07:30.48 | Gentoon | Try that |
| 07:31.01 | Gentoon | one digit off |
| 07:31.16 | Gentoon | You tell me if you get a tar.gz or just a .gz |
| 07:31.27 | Gentoon | it isnt an Archive |
| 07:31.39 | Gentoon | its a single file that isnt even a binary or script |
| 07:32.23 | Gentoon | Well it appears to be a binary looking at it in vi |
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| 07:32.29 | Gentoon | but it sure wont execute |
| 07:32.37 | ompaul | type file foo.gz |
| 07:33.14 | ompaul | I got a tar.gz |
| 07:33.26 | ompaul | on your link for 76853 |
| 07:33.40 | ad0le | its a tar.gz file for me... extracts fine with : tar -xzvf jre-7u21-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 07:34.15 | Gentoon | how do you get a tar.gz and I get a .gz? |
| 07:34.19 | Gentoon | wget |
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| 07:34.33 | ad0le | because you touch yourself and god knows |
| 07:34.34 | Gentoon | I will paste my wget this is rediculous |
| 07:35.04 | ompaul | http://paste.debian.net/250788/ |
| 07:35.16 | ompaul | Gentoon: that's the result of your instruction |
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| 07:35.45 | ompaul | Gentoon: don't do java, it's bad for your computer ;-) |
| 07:35.57 | Gentoon | Yeah well I have no choice |
| 07:35.58 | ompaul | Gentoon: so I seem to be able to do it in multiple ways |
| 07:36.07 | ompaul | maybe you need to take a break |
| 07:36.18 | ompaul | come back fresh and attack it |
| 07:36.20 | Gentoon | no I am getting a .gz |
| 07:36.26 | LinuxGuy2020 | I have a hard drive that used to be in my mybooklive. Well the NAS firmware got messed up and now I took the drive out and it has SMART errors that I think were maybe mis-reported because of failing firmware on the NAS. Is there any way to reset the SMART data and then I can run a surface scan on the drive to recheck it? |
| 07:36.26 | Gentoon | not an tar.gz |
| 07:36.36 | LtL | I get a tar.gz file too |
| 07:36.39 | ad0le | try these links instead |
| 07:36.40 | ad0le | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1880261.html |
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| 07:36.47 | histo | dpkg: java plugin |
| 07:36.48 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 07:36.50 | ompaul | Gentoon: well I can't help you with the vagueness of oracle |
| 07:37.10 | Gentoon | histo: You are way off |
| 07:37.18 | histo | LinuxGuy2020: you'd have to hunt around the smartmontools man pages most lilely |
| 07:37.19 | Gentoon | No one is trying to install a java plugin |
| 07:37.30 | histo | Gentoon: what are you trying to install? |
| 07:37.42 | Gentoon | Read the scrollback if youd like to contribute |
| 07:37.51 | histo | Good luck |
| 07:37.54 | Gentoon | I have tried 3 times I get just a .gz |
| 07:38.07 | ompaul | Gentoon: and what if ... they don't provide one |
| 07:38.15 | ad0le | you are using a browser correct? |
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| 07:38.17 | Gentoon | They dont provide what? |
| 07:38.28 | LinuxGuy2020 | histo: Ok thank you. |
| 07:38.32 | Gentoon | You said yourself you used that link and got a tar.gz |
| 07:38.34 | ompaul | that's not debian's fault - I installed it ran it got a version number all in the time you've been whining on about it |
| 07:38.43 | ompaul | gtiven a link you gave me |
| 07:39.01 | ompaul | I fail to understand how that has *anything* to do with debian |
| 07:39.07 | Gentoon | ompaul: What on earth does that have to do with the fact that I am getting a .gz? |
| 07:39.12 | Gentoon | Not helpful at all |
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| 07:39.25 | ompaul | Gentoon: ask oracle the problem lies elsewhere |
| 07:39.26 | Gentoon | Don't help if you don't want to |
| 07:39.33 | ompaul | hahahaahahaha |
| 07:39.34 | Gentoon | No, I will ask here, thanks. |
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| 07:40.01 | histo | dpkg: tell Gentoon about java |
| 07:40.14 | Gentoon | I know about java |
| 07:40.22 | ompaul | Gentoon: the problem lies between the keyboard and chair in the room you are in from my critical diagnosis - go get a cup of tea or coffee or something and come back to it, you can't get there from here is my best advise |
| 07:40.23 | Gentoon | You don't even know what I am trying to do dude |
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| 07:40.41 | ompaul | you want a headless jre implementation on your computer |
| 07:40.48 | ompaul | the one from oracle |
| 07:40.51 | Gentoon | ompaul: Quit baiting.. How is it my fault I get a .gz and not a .tar.gz/ |
| 07:40.55 | ompaul | you can't do that - so you vent at us |
| 07:41.07 | Gentoon | No that isnt it at all |
| 07:41.11 | ompaul | Gentoon: explain how I got an tar.gz file form the link |
| 07:41.16 | ompaul | that you gave me |
| 07:41.22 | Gentoon | Just stop trying to help, you are just baiting |
| 07:41.35 | Gentoon | Explain how I didnt |
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| 07:42.02 | ompaul | Gentoon: either you are wrong, or oracle is wrong, but I got it, installed it in my home directory provided you with a ./java -version output to show good faith and you tell me I'm baiting |
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| 07:42.12 | ad0le | yaknow, I can just like dcc you the tar.gz file if youd like |
| 07:42.15 | ompaul | Gentoon: that's an interesting lack of observance of a fact |
| 07:42.30 | Gentoon | ompaul: And that didnt help me in any way |
| 07:42.38 | Gentoon | So please, stop. |
| 07:42.44 | histo | sees this ending badly |
| 07:42.52 | Gentoon | Yeah can I get an op in here? |
| 07:42.55 | ompaul | Gentoon: so how did my success at following your instruction fail to help you |
| 07:43.09 | Gentoon | Because I get a .gz and not a tar.gz |
| 07:43.15 | Gentoon | Obviously |
| 07:43.19 | ompaul | Gentoon: drop the .gz and go back to the site |
| 07:43.23 | ompaul | get another file |
| 07:43.32 | Gentoon | So instead of trolling, help me figure out why.. or stop trying to help maybe? |
| 07:43.53 | Gentoon | Another file from where? |
| 07:44.06 | ompaul | java.com |
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| 07:44.11 | ad0le | im trying to send you the file now Gentoon, accept it and chill |
| 07:44.12 | Gentoon | You going to host the one you got? |
| 07:44.21 | ompaul | http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en |
| 07:44.23 | Gentoon | That is where i got mine! |
| 07:44.31 | Gentoon | Its the only mirror |
| 07:44.41 | ompaul | choose third link down |
| 07:44.43 | Gentoon | Dont support dcc |
| 07:44.52 | Gentoon | http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en |
| 07:45.00 | ompaul | the little red download arrow |
| 07:45.03 | jelly-home | funny, I always get mine from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html |
| 07:45.04 | ompaul | now what kind of a file is that |
| 07:45.07 | Gentoon | is whee I got it in the first place! |
| 07:45.58 | Gentoon | jelly-home: Please show me on that page you linked where there is a headless 64 bit install/ |
| 07:46.02 | Gentoon | ? |
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| 07:46.10 | ompaul | shows nothing of a headless installer http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1880260.html |
| 07:46.15 | jelly-home | Gentoon: jre or jdk? |
| 07:46.20 | Gentoon | jre |
| 07:46.41 | Gentoon | Server jre |
| 07:46.45 | Gentoon | aka headless |
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| 07:47.11 | jelly-home | Gentoon: click the jre download image link, then accept the license, and grab the tarball for your architecture |
| 07:47.55 | Gentoon | jelly-home: Thank you |
| 07:48.02 | jelly-home | why server jre? |
| 07:48.14 | ad0le | heres a public google docs version : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0F3EO8JdkbsV2g0ekVPM3ljd2c/edit?usp=sharing |
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| 07:48.23 | Gentoon | Cause its for a server application, the non server one installs a bunch of x crap |
| 07:48.27 | Gentoon | this is a VPS |
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| 07:48.45 | histo | Gentoon: what does any of this have to do with debian? |
| 07:49.00 | ompaul | nothing in the slightest |
| 07:49.03 | ad0le | nothing... |
| 07:49.16 | ompaul | Gentoon: install the X crap as you call it and get over |
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| 07:49.23 | ad0le | its an IO problem |
| 07:49.32 | ompaul | I don't think you can get from there to here otherwise |
| 07:49.43 | Gentoon | ompaul: The problem is solved, Jelly knew what he was doing and helped me easily |
| 07:49.45 | jelly-home | Gentoon: I'm not sure make-jpkg supports the server-jre setup, that's all. It works with full jdk, with jre, I've never tested the server-jre archive. |
| 07:49.51 | Gentoon | cause he understood the issue |
| 07:49.56 | Gentoon | now go flame someone else |
| 07:50.04 | jelly-home | installs the full jdk for his apps |
| 07:50.19 | Gentoon | I will do JDk if I have to |
| 07:50.29 | Gentoon | But lets see if this jre works |
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| 07:51.16 | Gentoon | I love getting 12 MB/s on this VPS |
| 07:51.16 | ad0le | well, for all our sakes lets hope you can. God forbid the JDK is bziped |
| 07:51.53 | Gentoon | ad0le: Do you find your immature statements funny, empowering? Are you a leet IRC user? |
| 07:52.19 | ad0le | I giggled a little but it was unsatisfying because there isnt much of an audience |
| 07:52.22 | supp | Gentoon: Just wait until you're hitting 80+ MB/s from XDCC bots. :) |
| 07:52.38 | Gentoon | Im not a botter |
| 07:52.45 | Gentoon | I run leggitimate companies |
| 07:52.56 | Gentoon | legitimate* |
| 07:52.56 | supp | s/XDCC bots/anything/ |
| 07:53.21 | supp | Apologies, I assumed you were someone else from the nick. :p |
| 07:53.22 | histo | whispers to self if it feels good don't say it. |
| 07:53.38 | Gentoon | the 12MB/s is not that impressive, but the 8 USD monthly I pay for it is :) |
| 07:54.12 | Gentoon | Oh all Gentoo users are warez/haxors/botters? |
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| 07:55.28 | histo | They may be able to help with tar.gz files |
| 07:56.53 | ad0le | ... after a lenghty staged install that is |
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| 07:58.13 | jelly-home | Gentoon: I guess it's too much to hope that people realize they know too little about a support question and just keep quiet if that's the case |
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| 07:59.23 | histo | jelly-home: he wanted us to explain how he was receiving a .gz file from oracles site vs a tar.gz had nothing to do with debian or the other questions he was asking. |
| 07:59.25 | ompaul | jelly-home: or if the supportee offers a link and the link offers rpms or tar.gzs for the supportee to complain that you're doing it wrong is a bit petty perhaps |
| 07:59.30 | ad0le | I mentioned make-jpkg like 30 mins ago |
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| 08:02.42 | jelly-home | knowing where the right link is, what the downloaded files are supposed to look like, and how to use the tools in question, is important as well |
| 08:03.29 | jelly-home | all falls down under the "knowing enough about the question" |
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| 08:04.33 | histo | jelly-home: and relates to topic how? |
| 08:06.20 | ad0le | no one misunterstood the question... or didn't know why he wasn't getting the results he wanted. He was simply being a nob |
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| 08:10.23 | Gentoon | ad0le: And make-jpkg was useless to me lol |
| 08:10.27 | Gentoon | But go on. |
| 08:11.02 | Gentoon | jelly-home: I was hoping they would keep quiet, but they feel the need to be so "helpful"! |
| 08:12.07 | jelly-home | Gentoon: fwiw I haven't seen a separate jre-headless download in years either |
| 08:12.37 | jelly-home | the few X11 library dependencies for jre aren't that much |
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| 08:13.24 | reavengrey | dat ass dem teddies preddy young thang 8/10 |
| 08:13.29 | reavengrey | wrong chan |
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| 08:19.14 | Towzzer | I'm chris hannnnnnnnnnnnson |
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| 08:20.45 | martin--- | hid3, i need to access a git repository. I send the owner of the git repository my public key. when i try git clone url I can't find a parameter to set the path to the private key. Can anyone help e? |
| 08:22.09 | Towzzer | hi there martin |
| 08:22.18 | martin--- | hi Towzzer |
| 08:22.19 | et | martin---: create an entry in your .ssh/config file for that host, use the IdentityFile option there |
| 08:22.29 | Towzzer | where is your private key located? |
| 08:22.37 | martin--- | in .ssh |
| 08:22.46 | Towzzer | what's it called |
| 08:23.22 | martin--- | web_key_file web_key_file.pub |
| 08:23.35 | Towzzer | do what ET said, or load that key in the ssh agent |
| 08:23.53 | jalalsfs | When I try to install totem on debian it shows me some conflicts, http://pastebin.com/LLddmni3 |
| 08:24.04 | Towzzer | there is no git option to specify a key |
| 08:24.06 | Towzzer | sadly |
| 08:25.45 | et | martin---: http://codepad.org/LQO4H8UX is how the entry should look like (name-of-repos should be name of server, a name that you can pick, later you will "git clone that-name:...") |
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| 08:26.44 | Towzzer | git should add in keys |
| 08:26.45 | Towzzer | like svn |
| 08:26.56 | Towzzer | those bastardos |
| 08:27.07 | martin--- | thanks i did ssh-add ~/.ssh/web_key_file |
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| 08:28.13 | et | the ssh-add thing does not scale when you manage multiple users in the same gitolite repos (i.e., you are both admin and a user on that repos) |
| 08:28.46 | Poindexter_ | Just curious. When I am in root and try to apt-get I get: "You don't have permissions." Do I need to associate the owner with a group? |
| 08:28.47 | Towzzer | most of gits projects are open source so they don't need authentication :D |
| 08:29.14 | Towzzer | poindextder, the root user is usually a member of the group root but that shouldn't matter |
| 08:29.20 | Towzzer | because root has special control |
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| 08:30.19 | Poindexter_ | When in root I do an apt-get and it tells me I don't have permissions. That seems rediculous to me, however, I read somewhere there is a high security function that I seem to be missing. |
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| 08:31.19 | Poindexter_ | The other thing is that I am using Debian with VBox. |
| 08:31.29 | Towzzer | are you sure you are root? |
| 08:31.40 | Towzzer | is the filesystem mounted as read only? |
| 08:31.41 | jalalsfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.51 | Poindexter_ | LXDE |
| 08:31.59 | ompaul | jalalsfs: let's leave it to OFTC only please |
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| 08:32.26 | Towzzer | pointdexter, paste "mount" |
| 08:32.34 | martin--- | et, i dont got a config file in .ssh should i create one? |
| 08:32.38 | Poindexter_ | I haven't got that far yet. |
| 08:32.55 | Poindexter_ | I am new to Debian. I have used Red Hat in the past and Ubuntu. |
| 08:32.57 | et | yes. |
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| 08:33.17 | Poindexter_ | I finally got an IRC server running though. |
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| 08:33.33 | jelly-home | Poindexter_: read "/msg dpkg bat", please |
| 08:33.41 | Poindexter_ | I am using Wiindows box right now. |
| 08:34.28 | jelly-home | apt-get shouldn't say that, anyway |
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| 08:36.08 | Poindexter_ | Jelly I assume it is just a permissions issue. I must be overlooking something simple. I have read that even the superuser must be part of a group. Windows server has been copying the Linux and UNIX standards. |
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| 08:36.56 | pagios | hello i am loading script1.sh using /bin/bash script1.sh once loaded into memory if i do ps -ef i can see the content of that script, is there a way to see it as only /bin/bash script.sh without showing the contnet in memory? |
| 08:37.22 | Poindexter_ | I can apt-get and upgrade but certain apt-get's want a permission issue. |
| 08:39.22 | Towzzer | pagios, not sure since scripts just execute other commands |
| 08:39.27 | Towzzer | that's what you are seeing |
| 08:39.31 | Towzzer | each command |
| 08:39.49 | pagios | so if i have 100 commands i see them all in memory? |
| 08:40.22 | Poindexter_ | I will say that Debian LXDE is the fastest and most economical client for VBOX. |
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| 08:41.02 | Towzzer | poindexter, not at the same time |
| 08:41.12 | Towzzer | I never investigate what it looks like when executing :D |
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| 08:50.09 | Poindexter_ | Towzzer thanks for you input. |
| 08:50.28 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.33 | Towzzer | have a nice day and thanks for using Debian |
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| 08:50.55 | Poindexter_ | Sounds like a commercial. |
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| 08:51.07 | Poindexter_ | :) |
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| 08:53.06 | Poindexter_ | There are so many distros of Linux out there. It frustrates one to think of what is the right distro to use. I found that Ubuntu is a good free distro and the guys on the Ubuntu channel are great folks. |
| 08:53.32 | Towzzer | debian is the best |
| 08:53.40 | Towzzer | and if you think otherwise I'll straight up murder you |
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| 08:54.25 | Poindexter_ | I have seen that Debian has been the number one of all of teh distros by the quality of expertise of the admins comments. |
| 08:54.53 | Towzzer | ubuntu is based on debian, just uses newer packages, more updates, etc |
| 08:55.29 | Poindexter_ | Apt-get originated with Debian in the first place. |
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| 08:56.16 | Towzzer | First there was apt-get , then god used it to create the heavens and the earth |
| 08:56.28 | Towzzer | then he had some conflicts and gave up |
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| 08:58.12 | Poindexter_ | And then on the second day god said: "Apt-get a..." |
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| 08:59.47 | Poindexter_ | Towzzer have you differentiated the difference between VMWare and VBOX with Debian? Any comments? |
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| 09:00.42 | histo | God became confused by $man woman |
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| 09:01.40 | Towzzer | I use virtualbox |
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| 09:03.42 | Poindexter_ | What is that all about? |
| 09:03.50 | Towzzer | what |
| 09:03.51 | Towzzer | ? |
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| 09:06.08 | Poindexter_ | Did you see the message that Poindexter changed the topic? |
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| 09:06.16 | Towzzer | no |
| 09:06.38 | Poindexter_ | Poindexter_ has changed the topic to "wheezy release scheduled for May 4/5 /msg dpkg freeze | squeeze (6.0.7) |
| 09:06.39 | Poindexter_ | released; /msg dpkg squeeze | jessie will be wheezy+1 | lenny EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | NO FLOOD: |
| 09:06.39 | Poindexter_ | /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net | FAQ: |
| 09:06.39 | Poindexter_ | http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC" |
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| 09:07.08 | Poindexter_ | I was kicked but that was the message. |
| 09:07.51 | Poindexter_ | Anyways, it is nice to meet you |
| 09:09.10 | Poindexter_ | Towzzer where are you from? |
| 09:09.18 | Poindexter_ | I am from the United States. |
| 09:09.21 | Towzzer | Jersey |
| 09:09.28 | Poindexter_ | Boston Massachusetts. |
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| 09:09.45 | Poindexter_ | Nice to make your acquaintence. |
| 09:09.51 | Towzzer | have a nice day :D |
| 09:09.55 | Poindexter_ | What do you do for work? |
| 09:09.57 | babilen | mentions #debian-offtopic |
| 09:10.12 | Towzzer | poindexter, they don't like when people chat like this |
| 09:10.18 | Towzzer | they will hurt you and your family if you don't stop |
| 09:10.22 | Poindexter_ | I am sorry to hear that. |
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| 09:10.46 | Towzzer | so am I |
| 09:11.03 | Poindexter_ | They don't know me. :) |
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| 09:12.48 | Poindexter_ | I make believe that I am stupid. |
| 09:13.08 | Towzzer | your nick isn 't helping |
| 09:13.25 | superlinux-hp | hi. I have this case in here: https://paste.debian.net/250795/ . what should be done? this is from wheezy. |
| 09:13.28 | Poindexter_ | I had no other choice. hehe |
| 09:13.44 | superlinux-hp | package conflict |
| 09:13.53 | Poindexter_ | Towzzer you are funny. |
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| 09:15.27 | babilen | Towzzer, Poindexter_: Seriously, take it to #debian-offtopic. You can chat there all you want. |
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| 09:16.12 | Poindexter_ | Bablien are you and OP here? |
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| 09:17.53 | babilen | Poindexter_: That has nothing to do with it, but yes. |
| 09:18.07 | Poindexter_ | OK I respect that. |
| 09:18.44 | Poindexter_ | I went to the Offtopic channel and noone is there. |
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| 09:20.43 | babilen | Poindexter_: Well, you are not in the right one. Try "/join #debian-offtopic" :) |
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| 09:22.33 | Poindexter_ | Babilen when you highlight a channel you put the quotations on the channel. That doesn't work. |
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| 09:23.02 | Poindexter_ | Leave off the quotation marks. |
| 09:23.21 | Poindexter_ | Thanks for the pointer though. |
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| 09:24.07 | superlinux-hp | is't true that wheezy will be moved to stable after two weeks? |
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| 10:01.45 | penguin1 | Can debootstrap use preseed.cfg like the debian installer? |
| 10:01.54 | penguin1 | What debian installer can? |
| 10:02.05 | penguin1 | It should be used for installing a debian on a lxcontainer |
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| 10:07.26 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, have you had a look at the debian template in the lxc package? it does support a preseed file. its configuration differs from the debian installer's one, tho |
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| 10:08.24 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: can I use an unchanged preseed file for an iso debian installer? |
| 10:08.33 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, no |
| 10:08.48 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: how does the debian template route that preseed file to the installer? |
| 10:08.57 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: does debootstrap support preseed at all? |
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| 10:09.33 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, it doesn't route it. it uses it to customize the install |
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| 10:09.54 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, i don't know about the second question, sorry |
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| 10:10.22 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: it is a skript, what exactly is doing those customization? debootstrap? |
| 10:11.25 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, it does quite a few things. most of them directly related of how the container inside interacts with the outside. you can also customize which packages to install, from which repository, etc. |
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| 10:12.16 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: thank you |
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| 10:13.20 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, afaict, you can even put some things that you usually put in a standard debian installer preseed file into that template preseed file. but it didn't work for all packages when i tried |
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| 10:15.37 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, for instance, preseeding the ca-certificates package worked fine, but the keyboard-configuration package and related console-* was problematic |
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| 10:18.19 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, and yes, "lxc-create -n containername -t debian" does use debootstrap to install into the container. how it does it exactly, i don't know. but it's all in the template files |
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| 10:36.38 | ShalokShalom | which ftp server is recomended in debian? |
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| 10:38.37 | babilen | ShalokShalom: None ;) |
| 10:38.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell ShalokShalom -about ftpmustdie |
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| 10:39.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell ShalokShalom -about ftpd |
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| 10:40.11 | ShalokShalom | babilen i wish to set up drupal on a server |
| 10:40.36 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Why don't you install drupal for that? |
| 10:41.11 | ShalokShalom | idk who |
| 10:41.12 | babilen | See <drupal> for some information and links to drupal on Debian -- Ask our bot about all the factoids in <..> with "/msg dpkg drupal" |
| 10:41.27 | ShalokShalom | = complete newbee for server issues |
| 10:41.41 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Which version of Debian do you use? When did you install it? |
| 10:41.47 | ShalokShalom | 6 |
| 10:41.56 | ShalokShalom | 1 hour |
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| 10:43.03 | babilen | Ah, okay. I would recommend to upgrade to or install wheezy which is the currently frozen testing release that we will release in about two weeks. You can install drupal7 on that. Ask the bot about <install wheezy> for installation instructions and use <firmware images wheezy> if you have a working internet connections. |
| 10:43.33 | ShalokShalom | its not possible |
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| 10:43.38 | babilen | ShalokShalom: You can also upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but installing from scratch might be faster or less hassle given that you installed only an hour ago. |
| 10:43.45 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Why is it not possible? |
| 10:43.51 | ShalokShalom | oh it is |
| 10:44.16 | ShalokShalom | i reinstall to 7 now |
| 10:44.25 | babilen | Once you installed wheezy take a look at drupal ... IIRC wheezy comes with Drupal7 |
| 10:45.01 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Did you get all the information from our bot that I referenced earlier? (links to wheezy images, and installation instructions) |
| 10:45.22 | ShalokShalom | it runs |
| 10:45.33 | babilen | what runs? |
| 10:45.44 | ShalokShalom | i can reinstall it from a online interface |
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| 10:46.11 | babilen | Ah, you can install wheezy there too? Which hoster is that if I may ask? |
| 10:46.18 | ShalokShalom | i wish to install Drupal Commons, a Spin |
| 10:46.25 | ShalokShalom | sec |
| 10:46.41 | ShalokShalom | topnetworks |
| 10:47.00 | babilen | thanks |
| 10:47.06 | ShalokShalom | the installation from drupal and commons is nearly the same |
| 10:47.35 | ShalokShalom | i hope they upgrade to 7 stable, when it is finish |
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| 10:48.14 | ShalokShalom | its finish (debian 7 testing) |
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| 10:48.23 | ShalokShalom | what i can do now? |
| 10:48.24 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Just run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" and you should have the most recent version of packages in wheezy. |
| 10:49.17 | ShalokShalom | how i can access to my server from my local machine to do that? |
| 10:50.26 | babilen | ShalokShalom: You can install drupal7 by running "apt-get install drupal7" and then read the various instructions in /usr/share/doc/drupal7/* -- In particular the README.Debian.gz and INSTALL* ones are recommended. |
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| 10:50.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell ShalokShalom -about drupal7 |
| 10:50.57 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, it's usually done via ssh. if you're on windows, you can use putty to get a ssh connection to your server |
| 10:51.27 | ShalokShalom | i use debian 6 here |
| 10:51.39 | babilen | ShalokShalom: You might also want to discuss your plans in #drupal-support as they probably (hopefully) know more about drupal than #debian :) |
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| 10:51.55 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, well, then just "ssh remoteusername@removeserverdomain" |
| 10:51.58 | ShalokShalom | i wish to install Drupal Commons |
| 10:52.03 | ShalokShalom | Not Drupal |
| 10:52.09 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Then ask in # |
| 10:52.11 | blubberdiblub | *remote |
| 10:52.19 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
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| 10:52.34 | ShalokShalom | ssh remoteusername@removeserverdomain is a mail or what |
| 10:52.41 | ShalokShalom | change to this user in terminal? |
| 10:53.05 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, no, the part before the @ is the username on the server and the part after the @ is the domain name or ip address |
| 10:53.18 | babilen | ShalokShalom: Then ask in #drupal-support on how to do that. If you end up installing to /usr/local I would strongly recommend to use stow to manage your installation there. AFAICT drupal commons is not packaged for Debian ... |
| 10:53.22 | ShalokShalom | ok and what i can do with that? |
| 10:53.35 | babilen | ShalokShalom: You can access your remote server and work there via SSH |
| 10:53.36 | ShalokShalom | ok |
| 10:53.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell ShalokShalom -about stow |
| 10:53.47 | jalalsfs | how can I change lightdm to kdm? |
| 10:53.50 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, you can then control your server via command line. like the commands babilen told you |
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| 10:54.08 | ShalokShalom | ok |
| 10:54.10 | ompaul | jalalsfs: apt-get install kdm and then it will offer you a choice |
| 10:54.14 | ShalokShalom | so ssh is the key |
| 10:54.23 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 10:54.30 | ompaul | ShalokShalom: it is a key, a lock and the tools to make both of them talk |
| 10:54.48 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 10:54.49 | jalalsfs | ompaul, Okay, thanks, but If I want to do it manually? |
| 10:54.56 | ompaul | jalalsfs: you don't |
| 10:55.03 | ompaul | jalalsfs: cos that is not the easy debian way |
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| 10:55.08 | ompaul | and breaks what you try to do after that |
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| 10:55.30 | jalalsfs | ompaul, Okay thanks a lot. |
| 10:55.39 | ompaul | jalalsfs: you already got one talk today about using packages correctly - you can do it and add themes from anywhere |
| 10:55.57 | ompaul | jalalsfs: as long as they support your kde / kdm / whatever-de / whatever-dm |
| 10:56.06 | ompaul | and are for the right version |
| 10:56.07 | babilen | ShalokShalom: You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ to learn more about Debian |
| 10:56.12 | ompaul | jalalsfs: enjoy the machine |
| 10:56.31 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
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| 10:56.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell ShalokShalom -about general cli tutorial |
| 10:57.30 | jalalsfs | ompaul, Maybe after wheezy will be released I'll reinstalled. |
| 10:57.56 | babilen | ShalokShalom: The bot send you some links to good tutorials on how to work on the command line, which you will need if you want to administer your server via SSH |
| 10:58.03 | ompaul | jalalsfs: you don't need to that is the fun part, you can in a few months go back to testing and stay there until the next freeze etc |
| 10:58.05 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 10:58.14 | ompaul | jalalsfs: and just keep upgrading watching for things that break |
| 10:59.25 | ShalokShalom | #remote is empty |
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| 10:59.39 | ompaul | jalalsfs: you went wheezy to get you over the big changes that will happen for the next month or two - after that you choose when you are brave enough to go testing - watching people complaining a lot about feature X you want is a good indicator that it's too soon |
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| 11:00.11 | cirrus] | hi |
| 11:00.26 | cirrus] | I've had a question, but never mind |
| 11:00.48 | ompaul | jalalsfs: just use it and enjoy your computing time, think of it like this, you can spend a lot of time learning various crazy interventionist ways one step at a time maybe breaking it, or you can use the box |
| 11:00.51 | ShalokShalom | :p |
| 11:01.12 | ompaul | cirrus]: consider it not minded ;-) |
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| 11:02.40 | jalalsfs | Okay, Thank you so so much to you. |
| 11:02.50 | cirrus] | if the solution I've found won't work, then I'll ask it |
| 11:02.56 | cirrus] | *ask about it |
| 11:03.10 | ompaul | jalalsfs: at the end of the day a computer is for computing, be that documents web databases or many many other things learn some applications and when you feel you know enough about libreoffice gimp iceweasel kde gnome and so on in your stable world and have some kind of a handle on it, then consider what you want to do next, learn a programming language, there are hundreds, learn a database there are at least a dozen, some nosql some relational enjou |
| 11:03.13 | ompaul | enjoy |
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| 11:03.43 | ShalokShalom | mariadb |
| 11:04.00 | ompaul | cirrus]: what's the question we may already have a simple way of doing it the debian way |
| 11:04.22 | cirrus] | ompaul, settings in symclient aren't saved |
| 11:04.32 | cirrus] | they are getting deleted with reboot |
| 11:05.21 | slooth | Hello, where does xkb shortcuts reside ? |
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| 11:08.22 | cirrus] | okay. graphical environment didn't help |
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| 11:08.35 | cirrus] | *it wasn't graphical environment |
| 11:08.45 | ShalokShalom | openSSH Server is done how to change to remoteusername@removeserverdomain in terminal now? |
| 11:08.57 | babilen | cirrus]: What are you trying to do? |
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| 11:10.07 | cirrus] | babilen, tapping on my touchpad doesn't work. I know how to fix it (through symclient), but symclient doesn't save settings so I have to repeat the whole procedure every boot |
| 11:10.50 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, type: ssh remoteuser@remotedomain |
| 11:10.58 | nkuttler | cirrus]: um, run the symclient command when your x session starts? |
| 11:11.13 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, of course, replace remoteuser and remotedomain with the correct values |
| 11:11.28 | ShalokShalom | yes of course thanks |
| 11:11.41 | cirrus] | nkuttler, how? |
| 11:11.51 | babilen | cirrus]: Ok, create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory (read "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d") and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf with something like: http://paste.debian.net/250809/ in there |
| 11:12.24 | babilen | cirrus]: See "man 4 synaptics" for an explanation and overview of the options you can use :) |
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| 11:13.02 | babilen | cirrus]: Naturally adapt that example to your needs, but leave everything up to and including line 5 as it is. |
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| 11:14.51 | babilen | cirrus]: Please note that various desktop environment (such as Gnome or KDE) might have settings for your touchpad that override whatever has been configured in Xorg. Please check your settings if you use such an environment. |
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| 11:15.16 | cirrus] | can I do something like synclient -l > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf ? |
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| 11:16.03 | cirrus] | oh, my distro has ithas since |
| 11:16.09 | cirrus] | *has it since last update |
| 11:16.09 | ShalokShalom | he do not accept my pass |
| 11:16.18 | babilen | cirrus]: No, and that wouldn't make sense anyway. "synclient -l" *lists* the options that are currently set. The file that I pasted is used to actually set them, but does that directly and not via synclient. |
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| 11:16.58 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, you have to use the password that you created for the remote user |
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| 11:17.13 | medusaXX | hi |
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| 11:17.59 | ShalokShalom | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 11:18.02 | medusaXX | how can I control which outgoing ipv6 or ipv4 adresses are used for outgoing connections if i have multiple addresses on an interface? |
| 11:18.03 | babilen | cirrus]: The way that I demonstrated is the correct one to set this statically and persistently. synclient is simply meant as an interactive tool to adapt your environment on the fly. If you run "synclient Foo=1" then that would result in the corresponding option being set in 25-synaptics.conf -- That is you would have 'Option "Foo" "1"' in there |
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| 11:18.22 | ShalokShalom | hi medusa |
| 11:19.12 | cirrus] | ok |
| 11:19.27 | cirrus] | now I start to understand why it didn't worked pernamently |
| 11:19.32 | cirrus] | *permanently |
| 11:19.41 | blubberdiblub | ShalokShalom, well, have you set a password for your remote user in the server control console of your hoster or however they do it? a default debian install of openssh-server allows password logins, but your hoster might have disabled it. in that case it should have some way for you to upload a pubkey |
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| 11:20.29 | babilen | cirrus]: synclient is simply a tool to change settings on-the-fly ... to allow you, for example, to test their effect before you actually configure your system to use that all the time. |
| 11:20.41 | ShalokShalom | i use open VCP and there is no option for uploading a pubkey |
| 11:20.44 | babilen | cirrus]: Some people run synclient whenever their system starts, but that is not the intended use :) |
| 11:22.27 | cirrus] | babilen, I see, I was about to google how to do it, but it seemed weird for me |
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| 11:23.29 | babilen | cirrus]: Does it work now? persistently that is |
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| 11:24.08 | babilen | ShalokShalom: http://www.topnetworks.de/support.html |
| 11:24.26 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 11:24.28 | cirrus] | babilen, yes. but I didn't used xorg conf files |
| 11:24.31 | ShalokShalom | i send them already a mail |
| 11:24.38 | babilen | cirrus]: Why not? What did you do? |
| 11:25.13 | cirrus] | when you told me that some graphical environments has their own touchpad settings, I've checked in my settings |
| 11:25.33 | babilen | ah, and you could set it there? |
| 11:25.38 | cirrus] | touchpad settings were added in last update |
| 11:25.42 | cirrus] | yes, I could |
| 11:25.48 | babilen | Which DE do you use? |
| 11:25.55 | cirrus] | XFCE |
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| 11:26.05 | babilen | Ah, okay .. Great! |
| 11:26.18 | babilen | enjoy tappity-tapping now ;) |
| 11:26.23 | cirrus] | latest version was actually released lots of time ago, but I've updated from 4.8 ten minutes ago |
| 11:26.25 | cirrus] | thanks! |
| 11:26.33 | cirrus] | goes to tap a little |
| 11:26.51 | babilen | You upgraded to 4.10 in experimental? |
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| 11:29.42 | cirrus] | yes |
| 11:29.45 | cirrus] | I did |
| 11:29.57 | babilen | Did that work alright? Any problems or was the ugprade smooth? |
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| 11:30.27 | cirrus] | smooth, painless upgrade. only issue was with goodies, there are no goodies from 4.10 in experimental |
| 11:30.33 | babilen | great, good to know |
| 11:30.35 | babilen | thanks |
| 11:30.40 | cirrus] | no problem |
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| 11:36.10 | phogg | Just thought you'd all like to know. |
| 11:36.12 | phogg | .+++. |
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| 11:54.04 | TuxBrother | I have some problems regarding OpenVPN |
| 11:54.15 | TuxBrother | And I can't find a lot in this manner |
| 11:54.17 | franco00 | shoot |
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| 11:54.55 | TuxBrother | http://serverfault.com/questions/431531/tunneling-a-public-ip-to-a-remote-machine |
| 11:55.02 | TuxBrother | I am trying to accomplish this |
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| 11:55.11 | TuxBrother | My server has 2 public IP's |
| 11:56.18 | TuxBrother | The connection works, and I can ping internal adresses. External adresses aren't reachable, however... |
| 11:56.25 | TuxBrother | IPv4 forwarding has been enabled |
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| 11:56.41 | TuxBrother | No firewall rules are applied at this point |
| 11:57.14 | ShalokShalom | i know why i wish me a home server |
| 11:57.24 | ShalokShalom | thanks TuxBrother |
| 11:57.25 | asciiker | hello all |
| 11:57.29 | ShalokShalom | hi |
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| 11:59.00 | TuxBrother | @ShalockShalom: I'm afraid this doesn't help me any further |
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| 11:59.56 | ShalokShalom | me too |
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| 12:00.00 | asciiker | I need some help with routing. I have a virtualized guest using bridge networking. I can ping the lan IP of the guest but nothing else on the guest network, is this a limitation ? |
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| 12:00.36 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 12:00.56 | Aktau | I've been trying to find a good incantation for a configure script to successfully install to a multi arch wheezy |
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| 12:01.11 | Aktau | I can't just use --prefix=/usr anymore, since it has to be with the triplet |
| 12:01.46 | Aktau | But --prefix=/usr/lib/<triplet> also doesn't cut it, because it will install to a /lib subdir of that path |
| 12:02.05 | Aktau | I've tried to research how it happens with debian packages, but no matter how much I grep, I can't find it |
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| 12:04.07 | et | Aktau: theres --bindir, --libdir, ... usually with autoconf |
| 12:04.24 | et | but putting stuff in /usr/ is a bad idea, that's the package manager's domain |
| 12:04.39 | pmo | I can't connect to SSL after the latest update on wheezy, any of you have the same issue? |
| 12:04.46 | Aktau | et: I know, but it's for cutting edge versions of libva, intel-driver and such |
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| 12:05.07 | Aktau | et: I worry that if I put it in /usr/local the system just won't choose those libraries |
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| 12:07.12 | et | why wouldn't it? it's usually in the ld config |
| 12:07.25 | et | it is on my wheezy install |
| 12:08.14 | Aktau | I don't know et, I guess I'm too much of a newbie on that account. I thought that driver were special |
| 12:08.29 | Aktau | I do custom builds of many things, but simple things, like ag (the silver searcher) |
| 12:08.36 | Aktau | That's easy, just an executable |
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| 12:08.44 | Aktau | But drivers is something that has to be loaded by the kernel, no? |
| 12:08.48 | Aktau | I thought it was special |
| 12:09.06 | Aktau | And I also thought that I could just apt-get force it if everything went wrong |
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| 12:11.28 | pmo | This sucks, who uses the internet without ssl |
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| 12:12.53 | 17WABG1P6 | When my firewall is on yet allowing 80/tcp incoming lighthttpd still doesnt allow connections but it works when the firewall is off. |
| 12:13.17 | pmo | Qssl? |
| 12:13.21 | pmo | Err |
| 12:13.24 | pmo | Ssl |
| 12:13.37 | 17WABG1P6 | no |
| 12:13.45 | 17WABG1P6 | not 443 |
| 12:13.47 | 17WABG1P6 | 80 |
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| 12:14.43 | babilen | 17WABG1P6: Run "iptables -L" and discuss it with the people in #netfilter -- You might want to allow established connections. |
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| 12:17.34 | Aktau | et: libdir seems to work decently, at least according to the pkg-config file |
| 12:17.54 | Aktau | et: now to see if a sudo make install doesn't obliterate my system… ;) |
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| 12:18.00 | pmo | Babilen are you on weezy and have you updated? |
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| 12:18.59 | brontosaurusrex | I can't remember what i used for png 2 ascii conversion, ideas? |
| 12:19.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aktau -about stow usage |
| 12:19.40 | ompaul | is there a large font calculator for X that anyone knows of |
| 12:20.28 | ompaul | I found a graphing one it's ok |
| 12:20.52 | et | Aktau: ldconfig -v 2>/dev/null | grep -v $'^\t' shows you the search path of the dynamic linker |
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| 12:22.03 | blubberdiblub | brontosaurusrex, aalib or caca |
| 12:22.22 | pmo | Hmm strange, sid works still |
| 12:22.24 | brontosaurusrex | right, it was caca |
| 12:22.27 | brontosaurusrex | thanks |
| 12:22.48 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
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| 12:24.27 | Aktau | babilen and et: thanks! I'll look into it |
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| 12:24.58 | Aktau | babilen: so stow is homebrew for linux? :D |
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| 12:25.25 | 18VAAZ5QL | Hi |
| 12:25.40 | babilen | Aktau: No, not at all. It is a very lightweight solution to keep "installations" to /usr/local separate |
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| 12:26.14 | Aktau | babilen: yes, I see now it is much less full-featured. nifty though. I had been doing that by hand up until now |
| 12:26.27 | pmo | So I guess none knows why I can't connect to SSL other than the Debian devs broke it? |
| 12:26.28 | Aktau | babilen: of course the things I'm building also depend on one another. Will pkg-config look there by default as well? |
| 12:26.34 | 18VAAZ5QL | I am having a problem with lighttpd when the firewall is off it works fine but when the firewall is on and allowing 80/tcp in, the clients are unable to connect to the server. |
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| 12:28.12 | babilen | Aktau: After you used stow the links will be in place and you shouldn't see a difference between the stow "managed" one and an installation to /usr/local directly. The important point is that you can easily remove "installations" there as they are all in difference directories from the start |
| 12:28.20 | laumars | opinion please guys. on my CV I've listed about a dozen different programming languages. do you think it's worth me taking some off (i'd probably have to lose C++ as that's one of my weaker languages though). I'm thinking less is more |
| 12:28.46 | babilen | laumars: Lets discuss this in #debian-offtopic please |
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| 12:29.09 | Aktau | babilen: yep, and I see how that works wonderfully for isolated user managed "apps" like ag, sublime text et cetera. I'm just worried about the drivers, graphics stack and other sensitive dependencies |
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| 12:30.03 | babilen | Aktau: stow just sets symlinks .. there is no magic or anything special about it |
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| 12:30.23 | mx8manger | hello debian folks |
| 12:30.34 | Aktau | Yea exactly, and it looks real nice. I just… oh well I'll just try and see how it goes |
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| 12:31.36 | mx8manger | guys am newcomer to debian |
| 12:31.44 | mx8manger | i want to install it on my machine |
| 12:31.59 | mx8manger | this is my processer |
| 12:32.00 | mx8manger | http://ark.intel.com/products/35583/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T3400-1M-Cache-2_16-GHz-667-MHz-FSB-Socket-P |
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| 12:32.45 | mx8manger | i was wondering if debian compatible with Huawie E200 modem |
| 12:32.54 | mx8manger | i tried a old debian distro |
| 12:33.06 | mx8manger | and it used to disconnect suddenly and die every while ? |
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| 12:33.57 | 18VAAZ5QL | mx8manger: compile from scratch |
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| 12:34.18 | pmo | goes away until others update and come and complain |
| 12:34.23 | 18VAAZ5QL | mx8manger: what is that modem an android phone? |
| 12:34.33 | babilen | mx8manger: I would recommend to install wheezy at this point -- See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for information about that and use "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" for the installation. Lets take a look at the support situation for the Huawei device you have there. Is that a 3g dongle or a wireless adaptor? |
| 12:34.54 | pmo | Babilen SSL is broken in wheezy atm |
| 12:35.09 | mx8manger | no its 3g usb modem |
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| 12:35.15 | babilen | pmo: I doubt that |
| 12:35.21 | pmo | I dont |
| 12:35.26 | mx8manger | i dunno much about compiling |
| 12:35.28 | 18VAAZ5QL | ssl is broken by default for years in debian its not using random numbers |
| 12:35.31 | pmo | Sitting with that issue atm |
| 12:35.39 | mx8manger | use /msg ? |
| 12:35.43 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: That is neither true nor relevant for the discussion at hand. |
| 12:36.11 | mx8manger | oh u have a bot for it cool |
| 12:36.12 | mx8manger | 3g dongle |
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| 12:36.13 | pmo | Anyways go ahead scrare him away from Debian for life hehe |
| 12:36.30 | babilen | mx8manger: Ah, you figured out the bot .. I was about to tell you about it. |
| 12:36.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell mx8manger -about huawei |
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| 12:36.48 | 18VAAZ5QL | I am having a problem with lighttpd when the firewall is off it works fine but when the firewall is on and allowing 80/tcp in, the clients are unable to connect to the server. |
| 12:37.18 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: yes, did you run iptables -L already and discussed your ruleset with the people in #netfilter as suggested earlier? |
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| 12:39.10 | pmo | Babilen try update yourself and see |
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| 12:39.30 | babilen | mx8manger: Network Manager supports 3G connections just fine if you use a graphical desktop environment such as gnome, xfce or lxde. I haven't found information specific to the E200, but given that older hardware is well supported I would expect it to work just fine too. |
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| 12:40.04 | babilen | pmo: I am, what doesn't work? Could you please refer me to the bug report in question so that I can see what this is about? |
| 12:40.14 | mx8manger | thanks buddies |
| 12:40.30 | mx8manger | so i just should put my hands on the latest testing distro and install it right |
| 12:40.31 | pmo | Try irc, mumble etc over ssl |
| 12:40.31 | 18VAAZ5QL | babilen: never received the suggestion, turn 2 jesus |
| 12:40.34 | mx8manger | thanks |
| 12:40.36 | mx8manger | <3 |
| 12:40.48 | pmo | The SSL on Google works tho |
| 12:41.09 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: Well, then please run "iptables -L" and discuss that output in #netfilter .. you /might/ have to allow established connections, but they should be able to spot your errors in a second. |
| 12:41.14 | pmo | I noticed this 10 seconds after the latest update |
| 12:41.25 | pmo | And there are bugs from 2909 |
| 12:41.28 | pmo | Err |
| 12:41.32 | pmo | 2009 |
| 12:41.35 | babilen | pmo: I am using IRC just fine over SSL right now |
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| 12:42.01 | 18VAAZ5QL | babilen: will try, the LORD God is great |
| 12:42.03 | pmo | Try irc.secfo.org 7000 with ssl |
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| 12:43.09 | babilen | wtf, 18VAAZ5QL |
| 12:43.17 | pmo | Does that work for you babilen? |
| 12:43.57 | babilen | pmo: Lets see correspondig openssl output please .. I will not connect to some random IRC server. If you believe that there is a bug in Debian than file it and provide enough information so that we can see that it is broken. |
| 12:44.09 | Dark_light | Is there anyway to stop empathy from telling me that the certificates are untrustworthy for fb and gtalk? |
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| 12:44.28 | Dark_light | I've set it to remember the option but it keeps popping up everytime I connect |
| 12:44.43 | babilen | pmo: I am using SSL just fine right now with a variety of protocols and simply have no idea what you /think/ is broken. It might simply be that you are running into an outdated self-signed significate or whatever |
| 12:44.50 | pmo | Babilen its not random, its the one I run for hak5 |
| 12:44.58 | pmo | Self signed cert |
| 12:45.10 | pmo | You can also try mumble |
| 12:45.31 | babilen | pmo: What is the actual problem? What do you think is buggy in wheezy? |
| 12:46.12 | pmo | Seems like I only can connect to either signed or old stuff |
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| 12:46.23 | pmo | Like paid for signed |
| 12:46.23 | babilen | Dark_light: yeah, I remember that. Did you google for that already? I haven't used empathy in ages and don't really know how to fix this off the top off my head. You might want to try a gnome specific channel (or an empathy one) either here or on irc.gnome.org |
| 12:47.01 | pmo | Also I'm on Herr from my tablet |
| 12:47.05 | pmo | Here |
| 12:47.07 | babilen | pmo: Well, if you try to verify a self-signed cert it *naturally* doesn't verify as it is not signed by a trusted authority. |
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| 12:47.44 | pmo | I dont try to vertify it |
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| 12:48.07 | 18VAAZ5QL | no response in #netfilter |
| 12:48.28 | babilen | pmo: Seriously, prepare a bug report or a pastebin with error messages and some reliable information. There is /no/ way to help you like this. |
| 12:48.37 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: be patient, it is a slower/smaller channel |
| 12:48.41 | pmo | I will |
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| 12:49.05 | pmo | Just annoying that I'm always there first lol |
| 12:49.09 | 18VAAZ5QL | i suspect that all of my connections are going through some proxy that is hidden |
| 12:49.25 | 18VAAZ5QL | i dont think pasting netfilter rules will help |
| 12:49.30 | pmo | The average users don't notice |
| 12:49.41 | 18VAAZ5QL | allowing established connections doesnt matter when its a new incoming request |
| 12:50.48 | 18VAAZ5QL | i need a system that corresponds to some source code so things can actually be troubleshooted |
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| 12:51.31 | pixelshuck | Gd morning |
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| 12:52.18 | 18VAAZ5QL | the plain facts are that allowing 80/tcp in should work when the firewall is on unless there is some loopback interface connecting everything to a proxy inside kernal that cant be seen at all from userland |
| 12:52.34 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: You naturally have to allow incoming new connections as well - your ruleset has to be correct and you also want to allows established outgoing .. but please, wait for #netfilter |
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| 12:53.18 | 18VAAZ5QL | babilen: well that makes sense if its going to hop ports is that how httpd works? |
| 12:53.35 | 18VAAZ5QL | does it take in on 80 and then throw them to a high level on response? |
| 12:54.04 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: you want to allow responses .. which version of Debian is this? |
| 12:54.18 | 18VAAZ5QL | babilen: rebranded |
| 12:54.32 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: Which distribution are you using? |
| 12:54.41 | 18VAAZ5QL | babilen: ubuntu |
| 12:54.48 | babilen | dpkg: ubuntuirc |
| 12:54.49 | dpkg | This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 12:55.05 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: Try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server please. We do not support Ubuntu in here. |
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| 12:55.15 | ompaul | mostly because it is not debian ;-) |
| 12:55.15 | 18VAAZ5QL | its debian babilen |
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| 12:56.03 | babilen | 18VAAZ5QL: Please, go to #ubuntu, #ubuntu-server, #netfilter or #linux -- We here in #debian only support Debian (hence the name of the channel!) for a number of technical and social reasons. |
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| 12:56.58 | debian_23232 | I guys, i have some problem with the audio on my pc... some one may help me please? |
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| 12:58.11 | pixelshuck | Is there any way to remap ^C & ^V shortcuts |
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| 12:58.29 | pixelshuck | to ^J & ^K |
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| 12:58.37 | debian_23232 | alsaconf or alsaconfig not work, VLC and mplayer are complaining about http://pastebin.com/sSk5s9sM |
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| 12:59.18 | debian_23232 | i have installed the version 1.0.25, but the i receive the same error |
| 12:59.23 | babilen | debian_23232: Which version of Debian do you use? Could you show me the output of "dpkg -l|grep alsa" please? |
| 12:59.25 | bence | hi, Id like to install closed source drivers for my HD 4900/5x00 series ATI card on my laptop. The fglrx package tells me that my card is supported only by fglrx legacy, which isnt in the repoes of wheezy. The installer from amd.com seems to be buggy and gives me errors. What do you suggest? |
| 12:59.36 | debian_23232 | debian 6.0.1 i think |
| 12:59.47 | babilen | debian_23232: How did you install version 1.0.25 ? |
| 12:59.58 | babilen | debian_23232: And when did you install that box? |
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| 13:00.03 | debian_23232 | 3 days ago |
| 13:01.08 | babilen | debian_23232: I wouldn't recommend to use/install squeeze (6.0.7) at this point as we are literally days from releasing the next version. Please install wheezy and try that .. wheezy also uses pulseaudio by default so you can use pavucontrol for the sound configuration |
| 13:01.13 | debian_23232 | babilen: i download it from the web and installed with dpkg |
| 13:01.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell debian_23232 -about install wheezy |
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| 13:01.41 | debian_23232 | uhm... |
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| 13:01.51 | jiohdi | is it really days away now? |
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| 13:02.03 | babilen | debian_23232: You should /never/ have to download anything from the internet and install it manually unless it is proprietary software that is not in Debian (e.g. skype) .. and even in those cases there are better ways to deal with the problem. |
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| 13:02.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell debian_23232 -about firmware images wheezy |
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| 13:02.53 | debian_23232 | babilen: really? to solve the problem i should install another version of OS... |
| 13:02.59 | babilen | debian_23232: You can also upgrade from squeeze to wheezy by following the wheezy release notes, but that is most likely more work than installing wheezy from scratch. |
| 13:03.05 | debian_23232 | i gentoo i can solve it in 5 minute :( |
| 13:03.09 | debian_23232 | *in |
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| 13:03.36 | debian_23232 | babilen: yeah probably your're right |
| 13:03.46 | debian_23232 | but it sucks |
| 13:03.48 | babilen | debian_23232: No, that is /not/ the general way to solve your problem but you should run/install wheezy at this point. I also believe that doing that will solve your sound problem as a side effect |
| 13:03.57 | bence | dpkg: tell Bence -about install wheezy |
| 13:04.30 | debian_23232 | ok thanks for the support man |
| 13:04.37 | babilen | debian_23232: We can spend time now to debug your problem, get you into a supported and working setup again and all that, but given that it would make sense to use wheezy anyway this would just be a waste of time. |
| 13:04.39 | jiohdi | I have wheezy, the sound starts off distorted a bit and settles into normal... any ideas how to fix that? |
| 13:05.16 | babilen | bence: You can also /msg the bot -- Use "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" to do that :) |
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| 13:05.53 | debian_23232 | babilen: ok, i can understand :) thanks for your time, i have apreciate |
| 13:06.17 | debian_23232 | bye |
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| 13:06.24 | bence | babilen: yeah, I just wasnt sure about the syntax and wanted to read exatly what was told to him ;) |
| 13:06.29 | babilen | debian_23232: Come back if you have any problems like this again. In particular if you are used to Gentoo you have to learn a lot about the way things are done on Debian ... :) |
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| 13:06.58 | babilen | bence: sure, no problem .. just wanted to make it easier for you in the future. You can also ask the bot about <dpkgbot> and read the referenced help. |
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| 13:07.39 | bence | babilen: thx |
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| 13:08.58 | truexfan81 | yeah thats the nice thing about bots, they really don't mind helping people with the same problems over and over again lol |
| 13:09.09 | pixelshuck | Is thoro any way to remap copy and paste keys? |
| 13:09.29 | pmo | got it working |
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| 13:20.38 | pixelshuck | Is there any way to remap copy and paste keys? |
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| 13:24.03 | philluminati | Anyone got a one-liner that'll identify 3rd party packages? I've uninstalled spotify, opera and skype in preparation for my upgrade from Debian 6 -> 7. |
| 13:24.10 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 13:24.18 | philluminati | I don't think I have any more but would like to check |
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| 13:25.24 | philluminati | Can someone vouch this command is safe: aptitude search '~S ~i !~ODebian !~o' ? |
| 13:25.36 | philluminati | it should be, it just looks like a search |
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| 13:26.58 | twinkie_addict | wheezy looks to be impressive and i imagine when it gos stable iwill rock event harder |
| 13:27.23 | twinkie_addict | it will iment |
| 13:27.45 | twinkie_addict | cant type lol |
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| 13:30.41 | fjfnaranjo | mmm, I think is pretty safe to consider it stable by now |
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| 13:31.06 | fjfnaranjo | It is not going to change very much after the release cycle |
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| 13:31.38 | twinkie_addict | i see |
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| 13:32.08 | twinkie_addict | it is pretty damn stable |
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| 13:40.48 | val_erie | is there a command to find the size of application available before installation? |
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| 13:43.10 | philluminati | I'm doing my upgrade now. slightly worried but not a lot more I can do |
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| 13:46.22 | mikarch | ls |
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| 13:49.32 | twinkie_addict | wrong window lol |
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| 13:49.55 | dvs | rm twinkie_addict |
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| 13:51.16 | twinkie_addict | rm -r des |
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| 13:51.45 | dvs | chmod a-w dvs |
| 13:51.56 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Anyone. Who knows a argument so find will end folders with /? (eg. /root/ instead of /root) |
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| 13:53.14 | invariant | -printf "%f/" |
| 13:54.07 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | didnt work |
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| 13:55.29 | invariant | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE, I use it myself and it does work here. |
| 13:55.41 | g0dfrey | no ffmpeg available in debian official repo...why? |
| 13:55.42 | invariant | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE, there is a free manual you can read. |
| 13:55.50 | themill | (possibly want -printf "%f/\n") |
| 13:55.59 | themill | g0dfrey: which release? |
| 13:56.06 | g0dfrey | wheezy |
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| 13:56.20 | themill | g0dfrey: there is an ffmpeg package in wheezy. |
| 13:56.22 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | it prints 0.000000/*insertcommandprompthere* |
| 13:56.39 | g0dfrey | themill: it depends on libav |
| 13:56.46 | themill | g0dfrey: yes |
| 13:57.24 | g0dfrey | themill: libav equals ffmpeg |
| 13:57.39 | themill | correct |
| 13:57.45 | themill | (ish) |
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| 13:59.15 | zykotick9 | g0dfrey: there are certainly differences between libav and ffmpeg, i found encoding to webm MUCH slower with libav. good luck. |
| 13:59.54 | philluminati | ls -F I think adds "/" to the end of directories in ls |
| 14:00.43 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | and how to do that in "find"? |
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| 14:01.05 | g0dfrey | zykotick9: themill: Official ffmpeg should be in debian along with libav, shouldn't t? |
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| 14:01.27 | themill | g0dfrey: why? |
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| 14:01.38 | philluminati | sorry I didn't read the whole question. I'm not sure |
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| 14:02.06 | themill | g0dfrey: official libav is there, what's the point in having both? (and no, you can't just install both without a lot of work to the packages) |
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| 14:02.22 | zykotick9 | g0dfrey: i'm under the impression (perhaps incorrect), that libav was started by debian-folk, so i can see why it's preferred. |
| 14:02.36 | themill | zykotick9: you are indeed incorrect |
| 14:02.52 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ok, lets go from another side of the problem. How to remove / from end of all lines in file? |
| 14:02.56 | g0dfrey | themill: because they are different |
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| 14:03.23 | themill | g0dfrey: not every library ever written is in debian |
| 14:03.41 | themill | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: what are you really trying to achieve here? |
| 14:03.42 | zykotick9 | themill: thanks, sorry for bad info g0dfrey. |
| 14:04.06 | g0dfrey | themill: but ffmpeg may perfomance better |
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| 14:04.28 | themill | g0dfrey: umm, that's far from given |
| 14:04.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | themill, I want to compare "tar -tf sometar.tar" and "find somefolder"s results |
| 14:05.18 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | so to see that everything is in archive. Becouse it sometimes gives me some errors i cant "catch" |
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| 14:05.49 | themill | you're only worried about the list of filenames not the actual contents of the files? |
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| 14:06.13 | g0dfrey | http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html |
| 14:06.27 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Is there a way to check the archive? |
| 14:06.35 | themill | g0dfrey: don't believe everything you read on the internet... |
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| 14:08.04 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: very interesting. this keyboard-configuration is very important. |
| 14:08.46 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: what is with that ca-certificate? what exactly does it do? |
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| 14:10.54 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, it provides root certificates, so you can verify site certificates against them |
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| 14:13.36 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: ah you mean, adding certificates during installation for safely requesting services like puppet-master over http? |
| 14:13.46 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: can those ca also be used for ssh access? |
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| 14:17.03 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, i believe no. i never signed my server ssh keys with some CA and i wouldn't know if that is possible at all. it's mostly used for SSL and TLS |
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| 14:28.27 | penguin1 | blubberdiblub: what would be used for ssh then? optimally? |
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| 14:33.34 | blubberdiblub | penguin1, for ssh you compare the fingerprints of the host key you know and of what comes over the wire. when you first ssh to a host you haven't ssh'ed to before, it will show you the fingerprint and ask you if you know it. if you answer yes, it will enter the host with the fingerprint into the known_hosts file |
| 14:34.59 | philluminati | my debian 6 -> 7 upgrade just bombed out after downloading all the packages with the error: Couldn't configure pre-depend xml-core for docbook-xml, probably a dependency cycle |
| 14:35.05 | philluminati | Any thoughts on how to resolve this please? |
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| 14:35.30 | daemonkeeper | philluminati: Upgrade xml-core first alone. |
| 14:35.43 | daemonkeeper | philluminati: See #705452 |
| 14:37.08 | philluminati | thank you daemonkeeper |
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| 14:37.17 | SARC | has libnss-mysql been deprecated in wheezy? |
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| 14:40.06 | babilen | philluminati: At which step in the release notes does that happen? Could you paste your log (the one you created as per http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session) |
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| 14:40.31 | babilen | Ah, daemonkeeper got that already ... |
| 14:40.56 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Has that been noted in the reelase notes, will/can it be fixed or are we likely to see this more often in here? |
| 14:41.02 | babilen | reads the bug report |
| 14:41.11 | daemonkeeper | babilen: See h01ger's note at the bottom. |
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| 14:42.36 | philluminati | babilen: I read the release notes and followed the same advice and ran the upgrade in a tty cosole |
| 14:42.41 | philluminati | with screen and script |
| 14:42.43 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I also see themill's note :) |
| 14:42.53 | philluminati | I'll try and paste bin it for you now, just give me a sec... |
| 14:43.10 | themill | yeah... let's pretend it's all fixed and see if that works for us :S |
| 14:43.18 | babilen | philluminati: it's okay .. sorry, I just wanted to see where you are and what the actual error message was. |
| 14:43.20 | daemonkeeper | finds it rather disappointing that users need to take care of two pre-depdency loops already for this upgrade. |
| 14:43.40 | babilen | I'm immediately disappointed too! |
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| 14:45.10 | babilen | philluminati: It's okay .. please try the workaround in that bug and note the comment at the end |
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| 14:46.15 | philluminati | babilen: ok |
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| 14:46.54 | philluminati | kde has started to be a bit unstable at the moment. copy and paste isn't working and the notifications window has crashed while open |
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| 14:47.00 | philluminati | (which isn't a big deal really) |
| 14:47.15 | babilen | Are you performing the dist-upgrade *in* KDE? |
| 14:47.49 | philluminati | now, it's at the tty... but yeah I'm still running my X session |
| 14:48.06 | philluminati | in fact now it's asking me to restart kde |
| 14:48.23 | philluminati | So i'm going to go and rejoin the chat from a tty |
| 14:48.35 | philluminati | no* (not now) |
| 14:48.54 | philluminati | anyway back in a mo |
| 14:49.10 | babilen | and babilen is finally reading #debian-devel too :-D |
| 14:49.19 | babilen | err, the ml that is |
| 14:49.27 | Aktau | Holy shit, cubs is the spawn of the devil |
| 14:49.40 | babilen | cubs? |
| 14:49.42 | Aktau | I cannot, for the life of me, tell it to accept my configure parameters |
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| 14:51.09 | philluminati | :-) |
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| 14:57.45 | Aktau | Does anybody know how I can pass extra arguments to ./configure through a debian rules file that uses CDBS? |
| 14:57.45 | brontosaurusrex | dpkg pastebin |
| 14:57.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:58.18 | themill | Aktau: step (1) convert from cdbs to debhelper; step (2) read the documentation for dh_auto_configure. |
| 14:59.22 | Aktau | themill: I'm not the package maintainer, in fact I have basically zero experience with it. I just need a more recent package for my project and I need it over so many boxes that it would be awesome to have a deb |
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| 14:59.38 | Aktau | themill: converting the build system for something like that seems overkill |
| 14:59.57 | themill | getting rid of cdbs is always a worthwhile goal |
| 15:00.07 | Aktau | themill: unless you're telling me that you can't override configure switches with cdbs |
| 15:00.28 | Aktau | themill: I think, after looking at cdbs, that I agree, however I already lost 6 hours trying to get it to build |
| 15:00.32 | Aktau | I can't spare much more |
| 15:00.42 | Aktau | Have a big presentation tomorrow |
| 15:00.52 | Aktau | Do you think that what I want is feasible? |
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| 15:01.16 | themill | Sure, I'd head over to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net and ask about cdbs ./configure there |
| 15:01.36 | Aktau | Ok, thanks for the heads up |
| 15:01.50 | themill | There will be some make variable or other to set that gets cdbs to do it for you |
| 15:02.02 | Aktau | I've been looking through autotools-vars.mk |
| 15:02.13 | Aktau | There is one for libexecdir, but none for libdir |
| 15:02.19 | Aktau | And none for generic extra arguments that I can find |
| 15:02.23 | Aktau | Which almost makes me seethe |
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| 15:06.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am tired of debian. I am switching to Arch. Anyone to stop me here? |
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| 15:07.03 | themill | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: tar and find will do the same things in arch... |
| 15:07.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am switching to arch not becouse of tar and find |
| 15:07.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I needed to use tar and find to backup files before switching to arch |
| 15:08.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Anyone to stop me with screams "NO! ARCH IS EVIL" here? |
| 15:08.27 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: I hope you enjoy learning about different approaches to creating a distribution. Have fun and may #archlinux welcome you too :) |
| 15:08.28 | mtn | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: nope, go have fun and don't pull all of your hair out |
| 15:08.29 | themill | This is #debian. We already know that Debian is better. |
| 15:08.53 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Well, I expected a more "NO!!!!" reaction on #debian |
| 15:09.34 | babilen | Why? It is about you and your preferences. If you are happier on arch, so be it. No need to discuss it at length in a support channel though. Feel free to tell us about it in #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 15:09.41 | philluminati | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: You'll be back ;-) |
| 15:10.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am mainly switching becouse i already compile several packages with custom options and patches. |
| 15:10.18 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | And i wanna this "compiling" to be the part of the system |
| 15:10.44 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | How stable is Arch comparing to Wheezy? |
| 15:10.45 | penguin1 | OK, I installed ruby and gem with apt, nothing special. But the installed ruby stuff by gem cannot be found because the PATH hasn't been set. Why didn't the ruby / gem package do this? Is this a bug? |
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| 15:11.38 | bence | I could sucessfully install the drivers |
| 15:11.59 | philluminati | is it safe to do "aptitude remove gnome" on a debian system after I switched to KDE? |
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| 15:12.23 | philluminati | provided I scan the list of programs to be removed and dont object? |
| 15:12.31 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | How stable is Arch comparing to Wheezy? |
| 15:12.40 | acu | is ext4 trim aware (for solid state drives) |
| 15:12.43 | babilen | philluminati: Decide for yourself, it shouldn't wrack havoc, but might remove packages you would like to keep (but that have not been explicitly installed) |
| 15:12.55 | mtn | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: that is really an off-topic question |
| 15:12.57 | babilen | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Try it and see! Also: Ask #archlinux |
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| 15:13.52 | twinkie_addict | arch is to flacky it breakes to much |
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| 15:15.30 | philluminati | 1. It's rolling release. old packages disappear and if you dont constantly upgrade you end up with an old system that cant be upgraded. 2. debian breaks configs into hundreds of system controlled/user controlled files. Arch doesn't. During an upgrade it backs up your config and installs the new one. It's then up to you to manually solve this as a part of the upgrade process |
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| 15:16.40 | babilen | philluminati: You might be interested in the "discussion" over at #archlinux - But lets move on :-D |
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| 15:16.59 | philluminati | yeah sorry |
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| 15:17.17 | babilen | np |
| 15:17.30 | twinkie_addict | testing is rolling too right ? |
| 15:17.33 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | 1. Its a good news. Now i wont be stuck in situation when my distro is frozen. 2. Thats already a bad news |
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| 15:21.27 | penguin1 | Hi |
| 15:21.34 | penguin1 | I installed the puppet package from debian |
| 15:21.45 | penguin1 | But its version is too old. Can I get a newer one? |
| 15:21.53 | penguin1 | Or do I have to wait until they released a newer package? |
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| 15:22.05 | babilen | penguin1: Which version of Debian do you use and which puppet version do you require? |
| 15:22.15 | babilen | judd: v puppet |
| 15:22.16 | judd | Package: puppet on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.2-5+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 2.6.2-5+squeeze7; squeeze-backports: 2.7.18-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 2.7.18-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2.7.18-4; wheezy: 2.7.18-4; experimental: 3.1.1-1 |
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| 15:24.39 | babilen | penguin1: ping? |
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| 15:29.45 | LZ2ILR_ | i am looking for some help getting grub2 set up on a netbook. i have debian installed on a 16gb sd card, but i have partitioned the internal ssd 4gb with a 350mb i want to keep for backup os, 2gb that i want mounted as /tmp and 1gb i want mounted as swap. grub2 is on ssd sda1 and boots the debian on sd card. how do i get /tmp and swap mounted at boot on the ssd? |
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| 15:30.47 | LZ2ILR_ | the sd card currently holds /tmp as a directory and has a swap partition i want to remove |
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| 15:33.06 | penguin1 | babilen: Debian Squeeze (6) is used. And I need puppet version >= 2.7.13 |
| 15:33.25 | penguin1 | babilen: puppet installed by debian package puppet got version 2.6.2 which is insufficient. |
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| 15:35.17 | mtn | penguin1: squeeze-backports has it |
| 15:36.05 | penguin1 | mtn: backports..., right, wheezy is the current version now, right? |
| 15:36.25 | mtn | penguin1: will be in a week or two |
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| 15:37.24 | penguin1 | mtn: right |
| 15:37.32 | penguin1 | mtn: so they already moved it to backports, right? |
| 15:37.40 | babilen | penguin1: We plan to release wheezy on 2013/05/04, but as mtn pointed out (and you can see in judd's output) a newer puppet version is available from backports. |
| 15:37.59 | babilen | penguin1: You could also consider upgrading to wheezy (or installing that) even though it hasn't been released yet. |
| 15:38.13 | penguin1 | babilen / mtn: there is a VServer based on KVM. I think I can upgrade to it then by using apt-get dist-upgrade, right? |
| 15:38.17 | mtn | penguin1: yes, wheezy is excellent now |
| 15:38.34 | babilen | penguin1: A newer version (from wheezy) has been available in squeeze-backports for quite a while. |
| 15:38.40 | twinkie_addict | wheezy is very good |
| 15:38.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell penguin1 -about wheezy release notes |
| 15:39.01 | vedranm | penguin1: third on wheezy being in great state already |
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| 15:39.33 | babilen | penguin1: Follow the release notes - they contain detailed information on how to uprade in a supported and safe manner. |
| 15:40.44 | penguin1 | because before the vserver based on kvm and the kernel provided by kvm was incompatible to squeeze. So I had to migrate everything to a new vserver. |
| 15:40.54 | penguin1 | But now it is based on kvm, so the kernel shouldn't be an obstacle, right? |
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| 15:47.35 | acu | what is the command to see where are all files installed in an application ? |
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| 15:49.46 | gerlosgm | hello! I've got my wheezy server running out of memory just running apt-get update :-( |
| 15:49.54 | babilen | acu: Assuming you talk about a package, run "dpkg -L PKG" |
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| 15:50.07 | babilen | gerlosgm: How much memory do you have? |
| 15:50.19 | babilen | gerlosgm: And may we see that? Anything special that is updated? |
| 15:50.59 | gerlosgm | It's a small file server, it has 512 MB of RAM and 1 GB of swap, more than enough for my needs |
| 15:51.41 | gerlosgm | babilen: at the moment I'm trying to ssh in it, but it seems freezed |
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| 15:52.12 | penguin1 | what is backports-sloppy? |
| 15:52.18 | penguin1 | what does that 'sloppy' mean? |
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| 15:53.28 | gerlosgm | babilen: before I got a couple of terms, one with apt-get update running in byobu, and another with htop running, and saw a lot of "apt-get -s -o Debug:NoLoking=true upgrade" processes running |
| 15:53.41 | babilen | penguin1: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index4h2 |
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| 15:55.55 | abec0 | Hi. I am in the process of debootstraping a sid install. One of the last instructions in the doc (http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap) is unclear. |
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| 15:56.13 | abec0 | [ define a login tty that will use this system ] |
| 15:56.15 | abec0 | [ i.e. create tty8 with `mknod tty8 c 4 8' and run `passwd' ] |
| 15:56.26 | asdamel | hi guys, i don't know why add-apt-repository doesn't work on my system, also with python-software-properties |
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| 15:57.07 | abec0 | I don't know if those are a comment on what is done with the previous echo to inittab, or if I have to actually DO something more, before init q. |
| 15:57.23 | asdamel | i tried to add a ppa repository manually, but the system doesn't recognize it |
| 15:57.34 | SARC | I am having some difficulty compiling my nic drivers... it suggests getting kernel-devel package, which apt-get doesn't recognize. I am using Wheezy. |
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| 15:58.41 | babilen | gerlosgm: Hmm, not sure, but more information would help. (e.g. what is using that memory) |
| 15:59.01 | acu | babilen thanks -it worked - wonder if there is similar command for those compiled applications |
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| 15:59.24 | acu | I mean to see where the files associated with that application are located |
| 15:59.47 | babilen | asdamel: PPAs are neither recommended nor supported on Debian -- they typically target Ubuntu and I wouldn't recommend installing random binary packages from PPAs (it is inherently unsafe) |
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| 16:00.01 | babilen | acu: use stow and you have it all in one place |
| 16:00.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell acu -about stow usage |
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| 16:00.40 | babilen | SARC: Which NIC is that? Could you show me the "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" output and which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 16:01.16 | babilen | SARC: You typically don't have to compile drivers yourself at all, hence my questions. |
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| 16:01.56 | SARC | its a 4 port Intel I350 Gigabit Netowrk Connection on wheezy |
| 16:02.01 | SARC | i need the latest driver |
| 16:02.02 | gerlosgm | babilen: now I can't login on it any more trough ssh, but before I saw lots of apt-get processes in htop, using each 2-3% of my memory. Now I'm trying to do a local login, but it seems freezed, with only the disk led blinking |
| 16:02.33 | asdamel | babilen: ok, how i can download GDM Tweaker to change my GDM theme? |
| 16:02.47 | babilen | gerlosgm: curious, haven't seen that before .. Do you know which package it was upgrading? |
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| 16:03.07 | babilen | asdamel: Which GDM version are you using? What is GDM Tweaker and where is it from? |
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| 16:04.00 | gerlosgm | babilen: it wasn't upgrading any package, it was getting updated packages lists from repositories. I just typed "sudo apt-get update" |
| 16:04.34 | babilen | gerlosgm: That really shouldn't run out of memory - Which version of Debian is that and is there anything special about your system? |
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| 16:05.13 | bytes | hi, i was thinking about installing debian on my laptop, and i'm not sure whether i should go for testing or stable |
| 16:05.52 | babilen | bytes: At this point in time I would definitely recommend to install wheezy. It has been scheduled for release on 2013/05/04 |
| 16:05.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell bytes -about install wheezy |
| 16:06.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell bytes -about firmware images wheezy |
| 16:06.33 | asdamel | babilen: or gnome-tweak-tool, is the same, i want set a different GDM theme |
| 16:06.38 | bytes | so just wait until may? |
| 16:06.52 | gerlosgm | babilen: I'm running wheezy, and not, I don't think I have anything special... root is on an LVM volume formatted in ext4, and everything is from repositories, I just compiled myself an exfat driver for an usb disk I use some times and a couple of small utilities... |
| 16:07.02 | babilen | bytes: You can use the images out bot just told you about if you have a working internet connection -- No, you can install wheezy right now! Afterwards just upgrade and your system will be fully up-to-date |
| 16:07.23 | babilen | judd: v gnome-tweak-tool |
| 16:07.25 | judd | Package: gnome-tweak-tool on i386 -- sid: 3.4.0.1-2; wheezy: 3.4.0.1-2; experimental: 3.6.1-1 |
| 16:07.26 | bytes | oh i see, and is wheezy stable or testing? i just can't remember which is which |
| 16:07.48 | babilen | asdamel: gnome-tweak-tool is in Debian -- You should be able to install simply with "apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool" |
| 16:08.02 | babilen | asdamel: (assuming you run wheezy, not squeeze) |
| 16:08.41 | babilen | bytes: wheezy is currently testing, but will be released as stable in ten days. The current stable version is called squeeze, but that will be moved to "oldstable" when wheezy is released. |
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| 16:09.29 | LZ2ILR_ | i need to move /tmp to its own partition. found lots of guides to move /home but /tmp is constantly changing directory. how shall i proceed? |
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| 16:10.03 | philluminati | Ok I'm back via webchat. After my Debian 6 -> 7 upgrade, everything appears to work (nvidia,kde,wifi) with the exception of irssi, my chat client, which complains it can't find libperl.5.10.so. (Perl has been upgraded to 5.14.so) |
| 16:10.08 | babilen | LZ2ILR_: Do it from a Live CD .. that way you don't have to worry about it at all. I would recommend Debian live rescue or GRML. |
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| 16:10.22 | philluminati | The symlink has been correctly updated but I'm not sure how to address this issue |
| 16:10.57 | babilen | philluminati: I am using irrsi just fine and have been for a while .. are you sure it is not just some plugin? What does "dpkg -l irssi|tail -n1" give you? |
| 16:11.10 | asdamel | babilen: not work, a lot of dependences |
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| 16:11.22 | philluminati | The symlink being the one from /usr/lib/libperl.so -> /usr/lib/libperl.5.14.so |
| 16:11.26 | babilen | asdamel: What? |
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| 16:12.18 | asdamel | babilen: gnome-tweak-tool require other software... |
| 16:12.20 | philluminati | It's version 0.8.15-5 (which on the website is correct) |
| 16:12.21 | LZ2ILR_ | babilen: im on a netbook so cant run from cd. it took 4 days trying to find an installer that worked properly |
| 16:12.32 | philluminati | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/irssi |
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| 16:12.42 | babilen | asdamel: Show me please |
| 16:12.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell asdamel -about bat |
| 16:12.46 | philluminati | I have one script but it doesn't reference perl lib anywhere I can see |
| 16:13.11 | LZ2ILR_ | i can boot fro puppy linux on usb if that helps, do i just need edit fstab? |
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| 16:13.41 | asdamel | babilen: i have to go, i'll try to fix it... thanks for the support |
| 16:13.55 | philluminati | ok... I have messed around with irssi.. I remember now. `which irssi` says /usr/local/bin/irssi and if I try execute /usr/bin/irssi it seems to work |
| 16:14.00 | philluminati | Sorry guys |
| 16:14.18 | bytes | if i would like to use my usb to install debian, should i go with the "other images" or just download a dvd iso? |
| 16:14.42 | bytes | i'll probalby use pendrivelinux's universal usb installer |
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| 16:17.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell bytes -about usb install wheezy |
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| 16:17.48 | babilen | bytes: If you have a working internet connection you can download everyhting from the internet during the installation. |
| 16:18.09 | bytes | ok |
| 16:18.19 | babilen | bytes: also see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- if you need firmware for your hardware I'd recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware |
| 16:18.31 | babilen | the bot sent you a link to them earlier |
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| 16:19.04 | babilen | You can, however, also download the CD1 for the desktop environment you want to use -- They should contain everything you need to install and take it from there. |
| 16:19.17 | babilen | In that case you /might/ have to download firmware manually. |
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| 16:19.35 | bytes | alright, thanks for your help |
| 16:19.54 | bytes | does the netinst still including options to choose what de one would want? |
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| 16:20.04 | bytes | or would that just be the cd/ dvd versions |
| 16:20.07 | babilen | bytes: yes, it does. Which one do you want? |
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| 16:20.43 | bytes | i will probably choose to go with xfce |
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| 16:21.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell bytes about install xfce |
| 16:22.10 | penguin1 | Why does selecting a package take so much time and why is it logged? |
| 16:22.20 | bytes | alright, thanks for all your help i think i will just install it on may 4th/ 5th not just because it is going to release that day but i need to make sure i don't screw up my computer for a presentation i need to use it fro |
| 16:26.35 | babilen | bytes: sure :) |
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| 16:27.18 | Kirito | I have a stupid question. Do you call keys you import using apt-key PGP keys or GPG keys? Or is either valid? |
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| 16:28.23 | gerlosgm | at last I rebooted that file server using magic sysrq keys... No idea where to look after reboot to troubleshoot that problem |
| 16:28.44 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | /var/log/ |
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| 16:29.09 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | should be something in dmesg or syslog there |
| 16:29.28 | gerlosgm | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: about memory full problems? |
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| 16:30.03 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | I think OOMs should get logged in dmesg |
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| 16:30.27 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | I'm pretty sure OOM conditions would automatically call oom_kill though |
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| 16:32.17 | gerlosgm | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: maybe it didn't go oom, it swapped a lot... :-( |
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| 16:33.16 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | oh |
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| 16:34.12 | gerlosgm | I'm trying again, let's see if the problem replicates itself if I tgive it again "sudo apt-get update" |
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| 16:41.54 | jhutchins_wk | gerlosgm: Why are you using sudo on a debian system? |
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| 16:42.40 | gerlosgm | It's happening again: after launching "sudo apt-get update", I'm seeing a lot of apt-get related processes in htop, and they are using a lot of memory (3-5% each) |
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| 16:43.40 | gerlosgm | jhutchins_wk: just because it's handy. My memory already knows my (very long) password, and I prefer to disable root access. |
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| 16:45.09 | LZ2ILR_ | just screwed up fstab. :( |
| 16:45.17 | gerlosgm | after I stopped that apt-get process with Ctrl-C, those apt-get processes are still running in htop, and their memory usage keep increasing :-S |
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| 16:49.10 | smw | quick question about pinning. Lets say I installed golang from experimental. Then I pin the golang pkg to the experimental release. Will it then update golang and all its dependencies from experimental? Will it refuse to update if a new dependency is added to golang? |
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| 16:50.27 | jhutchins_wk | gerlosgm: What's the version of apt do you have? |
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| 16:51.04 | gerlosgm | jhutchins_wk: apt-get --version says 0.9.7.8 |
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| 16:51.25 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions apt |
| 16:51.27 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; sid: 0.9.7.8; wheezy: 0.9.7.8; experimental: 0.9.7.9~exp3 |
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| 16:52.48 | jhutchins_wk | gerlosgm: I would kill off the subprocesses and run apt-get clean |
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| 16:53.32 | gerlosgm | jhutchins_wk: OK, I'm trying again: killall apt-get; apt-get clean; apt-get update |
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| 16:55.58 | gerlosgm | jhutchins_wk: again: it went from 50 MB of memory to ~240 MB since I started "apt-get update" |
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| 16:57.23 | gerlosgm | jhutchins_wk: may be something wrong with pdffs? How can I download package lists from scatch? |
| 16:57.42 | gerlosgm | from scratch? |
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| 16:59.05 | jhutchins_wk | gerlosgm: You'd have to figure out where the database lives and delete it. |
| 16:59.34 | dexta | prevening |
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| 17:01.41 | jhutchins_wk | Clean up temp files, etc. |
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| 17:02.40 | jhutchins_wk | !experimental |
| 17:02.42 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 17:03.47 | jhutchins_wk | Not all packages go through experimental. |
| 17:04.15 | gerlosgm | jhutchins_wk: thanks, I'm googling for it |
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| 17:04.28 | penguin1 | Why is the config for tftpd-hpa in /etc/default and not in /etc or /etc/tftpd ? |
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| 17:04.41 | penguin1 | I am curios now, why did they do that? |
| 17:05.05 | brontosaurusrex | is apt-file still a valid way to "apt-file list app" ? |
| 17:05.23 | brontosaurusrex | in wheezy |
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| 17:09.27 | rwp | brontosaurusrex, That still works in wheezy. |
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| 17:10.08 | rwp | penguin1, That isn't the config file for tftp-hpa. That is the config file for the /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa boot time start up script. Two different things. |
| 17:10.30 | rwp | penguin1, The boot time /etc/init.d scripts are Debian specific start scripts and use Debian specific start script configuration files. |
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| 17:11.00 | jhutchins_wk | !apt-file |
| 17:11.01 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 17:11.03 | rwp | penguin1, The /etc/default directory is so that you don't have to hack the /etc/init.d/* scripts directly. Many people hate shell scripts. So can edit the "declarative" variable syntax in /etc/default instead. |
| 17:11.31 | rwp | penguin1, Meanwhile I love shell scripts. They make things flexible. |
| 17:11.55 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell gerlosgm about pdiff |
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| 17:14.49 | penguin1 | rwp: I rather use something dedicated like puppet for it |
| 17:15.15 | penguin1 | rwp: and it looks like a hack to me. What is with the other programs residing in /etc? |
| 17:15.17 | rwp | penguin1, Puppet is great. But I don't see any conflict there. |
| 17:15.28 | rwp | ?? |
| 17:15.30 | penguin1 | rwp: the other programs in /etc cannot be changed by shell scripts? |
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| 17:15.56 | rwp | I still don't understand what you are trying to say. Sorry. Please say more. |
| 17:16.14 | rwp | Why can't puppet configure files in /etc? That is its primary job. |
| 17:16.39 | penguin1 | rwp: why is it in /etc/default then? |
| 17:16.52 | rwp | /etc/default is for configuring /etc/init.d/* scripts. |
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| 17:17.49 | rwp | tftpd-hpa doesn't need a configuration file. All configuration is done on its command line. |
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| 17:18.04 | rwp | Run a "ps -ef | grep tftp" and see that all configuration is on the command line. |
| 17:18.14 | penguin1 | rwp: so everything in /etc/default is used as command line parameters? |
| 17:18.22 | rwp | In the end, yes. |
| 17:19.02 | rwp | But mostly those files should _default_ to the right thing to do. |
| 17:19.23 | rwp | Look at /etc/default/ssh for example. By default it is empty. It isn't needed. But one may choose to add command line options there. |
| 17:19.26 | penguin1 | rwp: in the end? so I could also put command line paramters for other programs, too? |
| 17:19.41 | rwp | Yes such as sshd for example. |
| 17:19.54 | rwp | Some package creators and maintainers do a better job of organizing things than others. |
| 17:19.57 | penguin1 | rwp: also for custom programs? for every program? or only for program started by /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 17:20.14 | rwp | By organization it would only be for files in /etc/init.d/* only. |
| 17:20.20 | penguin1 | rwp: but because tftpd-hpa doesn't use config at all, the command line way is the only option, right? |
| 17:20.35 | rwp | Yes that is correct. |
| 17:20.51 | penguin1 | so an init.d script would reald that command line stuff from /etc/default and start the bin using those, right? |
| 17:20.57 | penguin1 | it is the job of the init.d script then |
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| 17:21.22 | rwp | Yes. You have it. |
| 17:21.44 | rwp | If the program normally uses a config file then that config file would be either in /etc/foo.config or /etc/foo/foo.conf. |
| 17:22.09 | penguin1 | right |
| 17:22.12 | rwp | And all of the normal daemons like ssh, apache, ntp, bind, all normally have config files. |
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| 17:22.18 | penguin1 | this makes sense |
| 17:22.35 | rwp | But tftp is designed to be "trivial" by definition and so everything is on the command line. |
| 17:22.53 | rwp | Making it one of the unusually "trivial" programs to launch. |
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| 17:23.09 | rwp | tftp being the trivial file transfer protocol |
| 17:23.37 | penguin1 | right |
| 17:23.45 | penguin1 | I understand that now |
| 17:23.48 | penguin1 | thank you |
| 17:23.54 | rwp | Read the man page for tftpd and you will find that it does not mention a config file. |
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| 17:24.03 | rwp | Happy to help! |
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| 17:27.43 | smw | What is the recommended way to control init scripts on debian? |
| 17:28.20 | smw | I want to control what init script runs at what runlevel |
| 17:29.10 | penguin1 | one shouldn't change them by hand. there are tools for this |
| 17:29.12 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | update-rc.d I think is the default tool |
| 17:29.24 | smw | penguin1, that is why I was asking :-) |
| 17:29.28 | smw | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI, thanks |
| 17:29.41 | penguin1 | :) |
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| 17:34.37 | rwp | smw, This is a continuous source of confusion. There is a thread in debian-user recently talking about just that. |
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| 17:36.30 | rwp | smw, Here is the first posting in the thread. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00644.html |
| 17:36.45 | smw | rwp, fun, well, I figured out sudo update-rc.d <name> defaults did exactly what I wanted |
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| 17:38.24 | rwp | smw, I am the one posting that I never understand why people want to manually manage them. Install or uninstall has always been enough. |
| 17:38.48 | smw | rwp, perhaps I should just use chkconfig from now on |
| 17:38.54 | rwp | smw, The world is filled with unique needs. You must be one of the many special people. :-) |
| 17:39.04 | smw | rwp, I was installing a program that was not in the repos |
| 17:39.06 | rwp | smw, chkconfig is an SGI tool in Red Hat. |
| 17:39.19 | smw | rwp, yes, but it exists in debian too :-P |
| 17:39.21 | rwp | smw, chkconfig isn't appropriate for Debian. |
| 17:39.25 | rwp | It does? |
| 17:39.28 | smw | yep |
| 17:39.33 | smw | just not installed by default |
| 17:40.05 | rwp | So there is. I still don't see the use for it on Debian systems. |
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| 17:40.27 | rwp | On Red Hat systems it is there so that two opposing tools such as Sendmail and Postfix can both be installed at the same time but only one started. |
| 17:40.28 | smw | rwp, as a nice way to manage runlevels? |
| 17:40.58 | rwp | smw, Specifically what are you trying to do? (side info, I am about to be afk suddenly) |
| 17:41.23 | smw | rwp, well, what I just did was install an init script for a program without a deb |
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| 17:41.49 | rwp | smw, Does it have LSB headers? As all init scripts must have everywhere these days. LSB and all of that. |
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| 17:41.58 | smw | rwp, in the future I will probably want to prevent mysql from starting on boot but want to have it installed |
| 17:42.16 | smw | rwp, yes it did, update-rc.d worked perfectly on it |
| 17:42.57 | rwp | The update-rc.d interface was designed for use in package postinst scripts. But available to be called from the comand line too. Just not designed for it. Which is why it is package postinst like syntax. |
| 17:43.13 | smw | yep |
| 17:43.22 | smw | that is why I am thinking of using chkconfig in the future |
| 17:43.37 | smw | update-rc.d looks like it is not designed for what I will want in the future |
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| 17:43.54 | rwp | smw, I guess the closest thing I have is mysql on my laptop. But I have laptop-tools programmed to stop it when on battery and start it when on ac. |
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| 17:44.20 | rwp | So with that I conditionally run mysql. But controlled through the battery/ac status and laptop-tools. |
| 17:44.42 | smw | heh, nice |
| 17:44.53 | smw | this is my desktop, but I won't want mysql running all the time |
| 17:45.03 | smw | just when I need it for some dev/testing |
| 17:45.19 | smw | anyways, thanks for your help |
| 17:45.25 | rwp | I just 'service mysql start' or 'service mysql stop' as needed. With sudo in front as needed. |
| 17:45.47 | rwp | Please be sure to use "service" so that your personal environment doesn't bleed into the scipt and confuse things. |
| 17:45.54 | smw | rwp, sounds great, but I don't want it to default to start ;-) |
| 17:45.58 | rwp | Glad to help! And I am heading afk. |
| 17:46.06 | rwp | ducks out |
| 17:46.10 | smw | bye |
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| 17:59.29 | LZ2ILR_ | help editing fstab please, im now in geany on a live distro with it in front of me |
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| 18:00.44 | anoob | The package x11-server-utils has a description " - xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use;" ... why shouldn't I use it? what are the alternatives? |
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| 18:03.22 | DrOwl | Will 7.0 still be called wheezy when it becomes stable? |
| 18:03.38 | babilen | DrOwl: yes, absolutely |
| 18:04.23 | DrOwl | babilen: good show, just wanted to make sure i would not suddendly get "new unstable" packages when 7.0 is released next month |
| 18:04.47 | DrOwl | get confused by named releases |
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| 18:10.17 | smj | How does http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ say current release has 889 release-critical bugs, while the next release has only 18? |
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| 18:11.00 | dutchfish | smj, because alot of bugs tend to be fixed in newer upstream packages |
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| 18:11.22 | babilen | DrOwl: Just make sure to have wheezy in your sources.list -- A reasonable one would look like http://pastie.org/7683988 |
| 18:11.23 | bitHipy | is there a package of packages or virtual package to collect "wishlist" bugs for GNU tools that do not have a debian package? |
| 18:11.34 | smj | dutchfish: okay, thanks |
| 18:11.41 | dutchfish | smj, yw |
| 18:11.57 | guerrerofran | hi all, any advice on how to put the new wheezy installer on a USB key for booting in a UEFI motherboard? |
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| 18:12.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell guerrerofran -about usb install wheezy |
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| 18:12.48 | babilen | guerrerofran: The wheezy isntaller since RC1 support UEFI -- Use, for example, those linked in "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" or those on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:12.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell guerrerofran -about install wheezy |
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| 18:14.09 | smj | Is the recommended way for upgrading to wheezy plain "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 18:14.14 | guerrerofran | babilen: sooo many thanks! i do not know how i could not find *that* exact webpage, i only found old stuff at debian webpage |
| 18:14.48 | guerrerofran | babilen: my bad, i think my searching skills got screwed after 2 years with a Mac |
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| 18:15.04 | babilen | guerrerofran: You are welcome -- yeah, it is a bit hidden and people still install squeeze even though we wouldn't necessarily recommend it. |
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| 18:15.32 | Roosvelta | Cześć ludzie. |
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| 18:15.43 | Roosvelta | To polski kanał? |
| 18:15.45 | babilen | !pl |
| 18:15.45 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
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| 18:15.49 | babilen | Roosvelta: ^^^ |
| 18:15.59 | Roosvelta | Pogubiłem się.. |
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| 18:16.08 | babilen | Roosvelta: "/join #debian-pl" is the correct command |
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| 18:16.23 | StupidWeasel | Hello guys. I'm trying to rsync some log files and running into problems. I'd like to grab all the files from the remote server & then delete them. However, as the current logfile will still be active, I'd any changes to be appended to the end. Is that possible with *one* rsync command, or will I have to fiddle around and exclude the most recent file? |
| 18:16.27 | StupidWeasel | I have rsync -rkzhtvvv --remove-source-files -e "ssh -i /path/to/my/key/id_rsa" remoteuser@removeserver:~/logs/ ~/logs/ so far |
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| 18:17.39 | dutchfish | smj, sortoff, i normally first upgrade kernel, udev, grub then dist-upgrade, but this might change when the releas enotes are out for wheezy. |
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| 18:18.24 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | what's the current kernel for sid / to be jessie |
| 18:18.43 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | will it still be 3.2 or will it go to 3.4? |
| 18:19.03 | dutchfish | smj, http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html |
| 18:19.19 | dutchfish | smj, i do not know if that is complete as of yet |
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| 18:19.58 | DrOwl | thanks babilen |
| 18:20.21 | babilen | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: 3.2 is in wheezy and sid (naturally, due to the freeze) -- experimental has 3.8 which I expect to be uploaded to sid in due course. It will then follow normal transition rules and will appear in jessie ... |
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| 18:22.00 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | babilen: I just assumed that testing would follow the "longterm" kernels |
| 18:22.09 | guerrerofran | babilen: that system works with, for example, net istall images? or should i use the weekly debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso? |
| 18:22.48 | babilen | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: Well, you have to realise that 3.2 is a LTS kernel because Ben, the kernel maintainer in Debian, maintains it upstream as LTS as well. |
| 18:23.50 | Chrys0pras3 | Hi |
| 18:23.57 | babilen | guerrerofran: I would use RC1, the weeklies might be fine too, but I am not sure about the state of the installer. Ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net if in doubt. You can use the netinstall images if you have a working internet connection during he installation. One nice thing is that there are netinst images with firmware. |
| 18:24.10 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | yeah, 3.4 is the next longterm kernel, I was wondering if jessie would use that or if it'd go to something else like ubuntu, which uses 3.5 I think |
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| 18:24.26 | Chrys0pras3 | I was testing a debian usb install and my sound card stopped working |
| 18:24.35 | babilen | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: And no, new packages will just be uploaded as they become available and transition to testing if they meet the requirements. |
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| 18:24.53 | babilen | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: Nobody knows which kernel will be used in jessie ... |
| 18:24.55 | Chrys0pras3 | It also doesn't work on windows anymore, is this the best chan to get help? |
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| 18:26.00 | dutchfish | with 4 kernels a year, it is unlikely to make any predictions about jessie's LTS kernel atm |
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| 18:26.13 | babilen | Chrys0pras3: It might just be muted -- Could you try running "alsamixer" to check the settings? If it has "MM" at the bottom hit "m" to unmute it. |
| 18:26.33 | Chrys0pras3 | It says there's no audio device installed |
| 18:26.43 | guerrerofran | babilen: will try RC1 then and report if I find any bugs, as my hardware is reasonably new |
| 18:27.27 | babilen | guerrerofran: sure, also try the weekly /if/ you find any :) |
| 18:27.59 | guerrerofran | babilen: the only thing still worries me is about the TRIM thingy on SSDs, as far as i know it is supported since kernel 2.6 but i do not know if anything else is related besides linux kernel |
| 18:28.01 | babilen | guerrerofran: The weekly might be fine though ... I simply haven't used it and can't promise anything. You will get newer packages and a newer installer, so it might be worth it. |
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| 18:28.21 | guerrerofran | babilen: downloading both, will try rc1 first |
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| 18:28.56 | babilen | guerrerofran: Could you raise that question in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net please -- I am interested in that (ans automatic alignment) too -- trim is easy to enable though (just add "discard" to the mount options), but I guess you are on about the alignment too. |
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| 18:29.13 | cheese1756 | Does anyone know of some good backup scripts so that I could rsync my entire server? |
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| 18:29.49 | vasile | cheese1756: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
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| 18:30.16 | cheese1756 | vasile, Thanks! |
| 18:30.23 | Chrys0pras3 | brb, i'm gonna switch to ubuntu and see if there's any iprovement |
| 18:30.25 | babilen | cheese1756: there are plenty ... take a look at backuppc, dirvish, burp, … or any of the other two thousand backup tools in Debina :) |
| 18:30.27 | vasile | cheese1756: np |
| 18:30.28 | babilen | *Debian |
| 18:31.10 | philluminati | What does "Package: wwnp" mean please? |
| 18:31.23 | guerrerofran | babilen: ok, going there! |
| 18:31.27 | babilen | cheese1756: I personally prefer dirvish over rsnapshot -- The way in which the latter cycles symlinks is, IMHO, not very elegant and causes problem if you miss backups. |
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| 18:32.15 | jelly-home | dirvish has leftovers if you miss a daily cleanup |
| 18:32.16 | babilen | philluminati: It is a meta-bug-package calles "work needing and prospective packages" -- It is used to keep track of RFS, RFP, ITP, … and related bugs. |
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| 18:33.07 | philluminati | ok thanks |
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| 18:33.25 | babilen | jelly-home: I tend to use backuppc now, but what do you mean by leftovers? rsnapshot's handling of missed backups was less then ideal ... dirvish coped better. (hence my comment) |
| 18:33.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell philluminati -about wnpp |
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| 18:34.14 | jelly-home | babilen: dunno, I only used rsnapshot to pull backups from remote; dirvish wasn't suitable for that |
| 18:34.24 | babilen | yeah |
| 18:34.25 | cheese1756 | babilen, I'll take a look at all of those, thanks! |
| 18:35.00 | jelly-home | babilen: leftovers: if a tree was supposed to expire today, and the job did not run, it will linger FOREVERRRRR |
| 18:35.25 | babilen | cheese1756: There are many others ... among them behemoths such as amanda or bacula, newer systems such as obnam, old bash-script-come-backup-systems such as rdiff-backup and many many other tools that combine them (backupninja) and so on ... |
| 18:35.46 | babilen | cheese1756: It really depends on what you want and need ... A LVM snapshot might be a good idea or whatnot. |
| 18:36.04 | cheese1756 | babilen, Wow, great options. What do you recommend, personally? I just want to do off-site backups |
| 18:36.13 | babilen | jelly-home: Ah, yeah ... that's right I remember having to clean up after it. |
| 18:36.22 | babilen | jelly-home: What do you use these days? |
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| 18:36.55 | babilen | cheese1756: As I said: I use backuppc these days, but wouldn't necessarily claim that it is the best tool ever. /me is curious about other options too |
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| 18:37.25 | jelly-home | babilen: still on dirvish for local backups |
| 18:38.16 | babilen | aye |
| 18:38.46 | babilen | jelly-home: anything else that you consider trying? I wanted to play with burp and obnam, but never found the time ... |
| 18:39.35 | jelly-home | bup? |
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| 18:39.58 | jelly-home | I had the same amount of time to test both |
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| 18:40.05 | babilen | :) |
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| 18:40.45 | babilen | judd: i burp --release sid |
| 18:40.47 | judd | Package burp (utils, extra) in sid/i386: Simple cross-platform network BackUp and Restore Program. Version: 1.3.8-1; Size: 173.7k; Installed: 485k; Homepage: http://burp.grke.net/ |
| 18:41.07 | babilen | That ^^^ ;) |
| 18:41.21 | jelly-home | judd: i bup --release sid |
| 18:41.22 | judd | Package bup (admin, extra) in sid/i386: highly efficient file backup system based on git. Version: 0.25~git2011.11.04-5.1; Size: 158.0k; Installed: 506k; Homepage: http://github.com/apenwarr/bup |
| 18:41.29 | jelly-home | not that ^^^? |
| 18:41.44 | jelly-home | whoa, old version |
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| 18:42.26 | jelly-home | Despite its unassuming name, bup is pretty cool. To give you an idea of just how cool it is, I wrote you this poem: |
| 18:42.26 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.26 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.26 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.26 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.44 | jelly-home | obviously worth a kick |
| 18:43.45 | babilen | heh |
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| 18:44.25 | xand | possum doesn't rhyme with awesome |
| 18:44.26 | xand | nothing does |
| 18:45.06 | jelly-home | irrelevant |
| 18:45.16 | xkl4q | hi guys, I don't get the audio through hdmi card, it behaves like it was playing but nothing comes out of the speakers, that's my card --> ATI RV710/730 HDMI Audio |
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| 18:45.42 | xkl4q | any clues? |
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| 18:48.33 | jelly-home | xkl4q: which debian release? |
| 18:48.47 | xkl4q | testing |
| 18:49.11 | jelly-home | xkl4q: are you trying to use the alsa device directly, or via pulseaudio? |
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| 18:49.54 | xkl4q | via pulseaudio I guess |
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| 18:53.35 | sdjfk | hi, how can i forward a connection from certain ip to some other ip... i tried with http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-redirecting-network-traffic-to-a-new-ip-using-iptables/ but no luck |
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| 18:57.17 | jelly-home | xkl4q: ok. start your app and let it play, while it's playing open pavucontrol |
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| 18:59.39 | xkl4q | ok, I did |
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| 19:05.21 | xkl4q | nothing interesting in there, I don't see the bar moving, though |
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| 19:06.27 | hasdf | is there a gui for changing/adding a new luks password? |
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| 19:15.00 | jelly-home | xkl4q: oh I forgot about you. The bar should be moving, and the app should be configured to output to either the HDMI device only, or all-of-the-devices-simultaneously-including-the-hdmi-one |
| 19:15.45 | jelly-home | that is, the output button in pavucontrol for that app should be configured that way |
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| 19:17.23 | Chrys0pras3 | Just confirmed, my soundcard stopped working in debian/ubuntu/windows |
| 19:17.43 | Chrys0pras3 | It happened after I booted a debian usb install |
| 19:17.54 | Chrys0pras3 | getting really desperate :P |
| 19:18.01 | jelly-home | xkl4q: also, check the configuration tab -- the hdmi device should be listed there, and enabled (not Off) |
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| 19:18.31 | xkl4q | it is |
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| 19:20.51 | dfx | hello guys |
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| 19:21.33 | dfx | i've installed this http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 fo my dongle and now via network manager i do see the my wifi but when i click it nothin happane |
| 19:21.42 | hasdf | Chrys0pras3, just descripe the bug in the bugtracker of your opensource-soundcard. oh wait |
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| 19:22.18 | dfx | anyone have any idea how can i fix this |
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| 19:25.23 | xkl4q | well, the app is configured to run on hdmi |
| 19:25.29 | xkl4q | but no bar moving |
| 19:25.32 | xkl4q | it is not muted |
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| 19:26.07 | jelly-home | then the app is not outputting anything, apparently |
| 19:26.34 | xkl4q | ok, i'll try the other one |
| 19:26.44 | xkl4q | or i'll try aplay |
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| 19:28.52 | xkl4q | still nothing |
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| 19:29.11 | xkl4q | i'm using -D in aplay so i'm 100% sure it's the right device |
| 19:29.27 | SuperBawlz | anyone know what the big draw to Mint over Ubuntu is? Besides the fact the the people in the #Ubuntu channel are a bunch of puds. |
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| 19:31.24 | jelly-home | SuperBawlz: maybe it has a more consistent/conservative graphical interface |
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| 19:32.16 | dfx | jelly-home do you have any idea why when i click on my wifi in thwe list via network-manager nethin happan |
| 19:32.31 | jelly-home | dfx: what? |
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| 19:32.52 | acu | hello guys - I have to do a dual boot installation wheezy windows 8 on a laptop with uefi -- is anything I need to be aware of (I did not do dual boot with windows8 - usually I just erase it :) _ ) |
| 19:33.14 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! I runned shutdown -rF now to check my filesystem on debian 6... it finished good... but once it restarted by itself it started to run FSCK again!!! Do you know why this might happen? Consider that everytime I booted my machine it never runned fsck. |
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| 19:34.21 | dfx | jelly-home: ive installed a driver for my dongle from here http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 and now its loaded as well but with network manager in the list of wifi's when i click on my wifi nethin happen |
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| 19:35.20 | jelly-home | dfx: I don't have a clue about network-manager |
| 19:35.39 | dfx | jelly-home: okay thanks |
| 19:37.13 | DonMartin | the Debian/ppc team did a great job. The PowerPC arch works like a charm. |
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| 19:40.22 | rostam | HI all, not sure if this is a right place to ask this question, sorry if it is not. I am trying to understand the debhelper for a while, and looking at the some of the rules file, I like to know what is the difference between "configure-stamp" and "configure" for the target? thanks |
| 19:41.27 | xkl4q | jelly-home, so, I guess pulse audio doesn't even know about any playback being done |
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| 19:41.58 | xkl4q | do you know then what the problem might be? |
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| 19:42.15 | jelly-home | xkl4q: if you use an alsa device directly, it doesn't |
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| 19:42.58 | jelly-home | could be anything; on nvidia, the graphic card presents 4 different pcm devices but only one is actually connected |
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| 19:43.21 | jelly-home | this is documented in their graphic drivers docs |
| 19:43.38 | jelly-home | xkl4q: so, try to find the documentation for hdmi on ati |
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| 19:47.19 | rwp | rostam, Off the top of my head I think configure-stamp touches a file used as an intermediate in the Makefile rules. |
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| 19:47.45 | rwp | rostam, The debian-mentors mailing list is a perfect place to raise those questions. In case no one happens to be here. |
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| 19:48.14 | rwp | rostam, These days the "dh" helper script has come into vogue. And more of those intermediaries are hidden. |
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| 19:48.58 | rwp | rostam, I still personally prefer the plain makefiles. They are less opaque and easier for me to understand. But I am out-voted. |
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| 19:53.36 | MouseTheLuckyDog | When I run synaptic and ask to remove a package and apply sometimes I get list of "essential" packages I am trying to remove. Is there a way to generate a list of all essential packages? |
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| 19:56.21 | brontosaurusrex | how can i check on which external libs the certain binary depends? |
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| 19:56.34 | daemonkeeper | brontosaurusrex: ldd? |
| 19:56.41 | brontosaurusrex | right |
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| 20:04.02 | Quest | i have an external usb HD which is called bootable. and shows x86 mbr but when i installed ubuntu on it. its giving grub error prompt . any ideas? |
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| 20:05.28 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:06.01 | dimitry7 | Quest, ubuntu isn't installed on USBs as debian |
| 20:06.25 | Quest | dimir, then? |
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| 20:06.28 | dimitry7 | Quest, use the Startup Disk creator application on your ubuntu system to create a bootable USB |
| 20:06.46 | Quest | dimitry7, that gives an error and dont install |
| 20:06.59 | dimitry7 | Quest, format your USB and try again |
| 20:07.23 | Quest | dimitry7, did that |
| 20:07.26 | Quest | no use |
| 20:08.03 | dimitry7 | Quest, format it with a FAT 32 filesystem |
| 20:08.15 | Quest | really? what will that help? |
| 20:08.29 | dimitry7 | I tried it once and worked |
| 20:08.40 | Quest | i formated it with ext4 |
| 20:08.44 | dimitry7 | no |
| 20:08.46 | dimitry7 | use fat32 |
| 20:08.47 | Quest | why should it work with fat32 |
| 20:08.55 | Quest | linux hates fat |
| 20:09.01 | Quest | strange |
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| 20:09.36 | truexfan81 | anyone used nginx on debian? |
| 20:09.52 | dimitry7 | most users will have a usb formated with fat32 when doing a ubuntu bootable usb |
| 20:10.05 | truexfan81 | i'm trying to find the config file, seems to be in a different place than the default /usr/local/nginx/conf/nginx.conf |
| 20:10.23 | Quest | dimaursu16, ok |
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| 20:11.50 | hasdf | truexfan81, man find |
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| 20:12.02 | truexfan81 | oh /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
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| 20:12.17 | truexfan81 | i never would have thought to look for it in /etc |
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| 20:24.46 | invariant | Why doesn't ssh m env return the variable set in /etc/environment on m? |
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| 20:26.13 | philluminati | If I want to build a .deb file for a project that doesn't have a make file |
| 20:26.21 | philluminati | until you run autogen.sh and ./configure |
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| 20:26.37 | philluminati | should I run them, then build the deb file, or should I give it some other direction please? |
| 20:26.42 | philluminati | dh_make, that is |
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| 20:36.36 | brontosaurusrex | could one make a static build of ffmpeg with x11grab? |
| 20:36.44 | brontosaurusrex | i mean, is it possible? |
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| 20:39.08 | Dark_light | I'm having issues on a t420 there's a bug in laptop-mode that has been fixed on more recent versions, basically if I poweroff the laptop it reboots |
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| 20:39.33 | Dark_light | I used to run a script at shutdown to fix this but I noticed that now when run it causes a kernel panic |
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| 20:50.26 | mastercode | how to install iozone ? does not wotk with apt-get install iozone3 |
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| 20:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | works for me |
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| 20:51.57 | mastercode | CutMeOwnThroat: does not help me mutch:) |
| 20:52.33 | mastercode | Unable to locate package iozone3 |
| 20:52.42 | Nethox | mastercode, it's not in the stable release, try backports.debian.org |
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| 20:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... the quality of the question determines the quality of the answer :) There was nothing in your question that allowed for a more helpful answer :) |
| 20:53.53 | mastercode | CutMeOwnThroat: a so your not that smart :) |
| 20:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not?! |
| 20:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iozone3 |
| 20:54.05 | judd | Package: iozone3 on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 308-1; sid/non-free: 397-2; wheezy/non-free: 397-2 |
| 20:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mastercode, oh yes, I am...but I already extenedly used my psychic clairvoyant powers this weekend and they're a bit exhausted now |
| 20:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:55.08 | truexfan81 | my friend an i are working on building a very minimal custom server kernel, i'm wondering what it would take to make it compile with dpkg-buildpackage, this is on wheezy |
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| 20:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and I'm modest, too!! :P ) |
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| 20:55.42 | Nethox | Sorry for the misinformation, I forgot I didn't have the non-free repo |
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| 20:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mastercode, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:03.37 | mastercode | i just added deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
| 21:04.04 | mastercode | too sources.list and did apt-get update but still not working. |
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| 21:05.46 | mastercode | apt-get -t wheezy-backports install iozone3 |
| 21:05.49 | mastercode | not found :( |
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| 21:06.06 | smw | Hi all. I have been using ubuntu for a while and switched to debian. There is something different about how audio is handled in vlc. In Debian, changing the volume in vlc changes the system volume. This doesn't happen in ubuntu. Any ideas why this is happening? |
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| 21:06.43 | smw | If possible, I would really like to change it to the way ubuntu works. It was easier to finely adjust sound when the two volumes were separate |
| 21:07.50 | Nethox | smw, search for "software volume" in the config. Now it's changing the level by using the hardware or ALSA mixer which affects every program |
| 21:08.17 | smw | I am also sometimes getting crackling in vlc when I pause it. |
| 21:08.19 | smw | Nethox, thanks |
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| 21:08.46 | Nethox | mastercode, just add "non-free" to your existing line (forget about the backports thing). Per example: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 21:09.04 | Dark_light | I'm on wheezy and there's a bug that's driving me nuts I can't poweroff my laptop as it keeps rebooting |
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| 21:09.40 | smw | Nethox, what should I change it to? |
| 21:11.10 | Nethox | smw, I don't use VLC, but many players support changing the audio gain by themselves. It should be a enable/disable option, enable it |
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| 21:12.10 | mastercode | Nethox: thank you ;) |
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| 21:13.07 | smw | Nethox, when I change the audio output module to "audio memory output", it now seems to separate it in pulse audio. It adjusts its own volume, but not others (unless you try to make it too loud and it needs to raise master volume). |
| 21:13.41 | useless-eater | hi guys, got a strange problem. I tried to install a program, but Im told that it could not find libGL.so. I did a apt-file search for it, and found it in "libgl1-nvidia-glx: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/libGL.so.1". It ends with so.1 would this be a problem? should not be neccesary to do symlinking I guess? |
| 21:13.48 | smw | still haven't figured out how to separate it completely from pulse :-\ |
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| 21:15.00 | Nethox | smw, with pulse in-between it can behave differently. AFAIK one of the few advantages is to have independent software volume without the need to implement gain on each program |
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| 21:16.05 | smw | Nethox, yes, but I want vlc's implementation. It allows for finer control of audio |
| 21:16.27 | smw | I am going to see if I can dredge up ubuntu's configs for vlc |
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| 21:17.04 | smw | Nethox, right now the two problems with vlc's audio is the only thing I haven't been able to fix in my move to debian |
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| 21:19.30 | useless-eater | where should that libGL.so file be located? I got one at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so so Ill just try symlinking that to somewhere.. :\ |
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| 21:21.11 | useless-eater | oh, great that was already a symlink to /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so-x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 21:23.46 | useless-eater | Strange. this got isntall passed that error: ln -s /etc/alternatives/nvidia--libGL.so.1-x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so |
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| 21:23.56 | useless-eater | is this a common mess, or is it just me :p |
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| 21:25.27 | useless-eater | oh. didnt fix much it seems still got "ERROR: no libGL.so detected!".. but continued trying with this one |
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| 21:27.14 | petn-randall | useless-eater: What are you trying to install? |
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| 21:32.59 | useless-eater | petn-randall: program searces only the lib and usr/lib folder. what libGL.so should I symlink from? I got nvidia drivers |
| 21:33.23 | useless-eater | petn-randall: danger from deep. uboat simulator |
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| 22:10.10 | guampa | are the any caveats to moving /usr to another partition in debian? can i just copy it and edit fstab? |
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| 22:12.06 | guerrerofran | guampa: i am no expert but if i was you i'd do that from a livecd |
| 22:12.27 | BenNZ | guampa: i would also use rysnc with the -p |
| 22:12.42 | abrotman | should be able to copy it, then change fstab |
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| 22:13.23 | guampa | yeah, regardless the method, was just told that "*won't work* in debian" (sic) |
| 22:13.43 | guampa | and then wondered why could that be |
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| 22:15.28 | abrotman | guampa: uhm, who told you that? |
| 22:16.24 | guampa | jimmy |
| 22:16.27 | guampa | :P |
| 22:16.33 | guampa | some guy at another channel |
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| 22:17.09 | abrotman | refrains from further comment |
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| 22:17.15 | guampa | lol |
| 22:17.16 | guampa | but the point is, there isn't any problem in mounting it from fstab and it residing in another partition |
| 22:17.35 | abrotman | the installer offers this option |
| 22:17.45 | abrotman | has no idea why someone would say that |
| 22:17.55 | guampa | neither do i |
| 22:18.07 | guampa | figured something had changed or whatever |
| 22:18.27 | guampa | good to know it's not the case |
| 22:18.32 | abrotman | ask him for clarification |
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| 22:20.50 | guampa | yeah seems he won't bother to understand |
| 22:21.01 | guampa | so, anyway thanks for the info. it served to me |
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| 22:28.01 | tinkster | Just ran an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. libcurl4-gnutls-dev_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze3_amd64.deb libcurl3-gnutls_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze3_amd64.deb libcurl3_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze3_amd64.deb curl_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze3_amd64.deb xserver-xorg-dev_2%3a1.7.7-16_amd64.deb xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.7.7-16_amd64.deb xserver-xephyr_2%3a1.7.7-16_amd64.deb xserver-common_2%3a1.7.7-16_all.deb were updated. Now pidgin refuses to start. How do I make it work again? :) |
| 22:28.22 | beakman | window 6 |
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| 22:29.28 | kriebz | tinkster: run it from the command line and see what is complains about. I hate to say it, but maybe log out and back in again? |
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| 22:36.47 | tinkster | Hmmm will give that a shot |
| 22:36.59 | tinkster | at the moment it says Aborted |
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| 22:39.56 | Nethox | tinkster, see $HOME/.xsession-errors |
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| 22:54.33 | tinkster | Nethox, nothing pertaining to pidgin in there. And an strace doesn't give me much info, either. one of the last things it does is to access /opt/firefox/libnspr4.so, then it reads from some other file-descriptor, curls up & dies |
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| 22:57.25 | LinuxGuy2020 | I cant seem to find any info about if a Broadcom BCM54610 chip is supported by the current kernel out of the box or if I need to install a firmware package and which one. |
| 22:57.59 | abrotman | do you have the pciid ? |
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| 22:59.21 | Nethox | tinkster, try to mv ~/.pidgin dot.pidgin.bak and restart |
| 22:59.55 | tinkster | http://pastebin.com/s1uY0FVT |
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| 23:00.14 | tinkster | I tried with a different user account that has no pidgin profile at all so far |
| 23:00.17 | tinkster | same behaviour |
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| 23:05.30 | Nethox | tinkster, is the process killing itself with tgkill? |
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| 23:05.36 | Quest | hi |
| 23:06.18 | Quest | i have created a usb startup disk. installed some apps. will they be retained and also installed on a new HDD that i do from that usb ? |
| 23:06.39 | tinkster | Yup |
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| 23:06.47 | tinkster | That's its own pid |
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| 23:07.30 | Quest | tinkster, sure? |
| 23:07.37 | H6r6tiqu6 | guyz |
| 23:07.42 | H6r6tiqu6 | 1337 nicks, here |
| 23:07.54 | H6r6tiqu6 | we're blessed |
| 23:08.04 | xand | ... |
| 23:08.22 | tinkster | Aye .. |
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| 23:09.15 | tinkster | Quest, easy to see ... the pid that receives is the same that the strace is taken from; see first column |
| 23:10.00 | Quest | tinkster, what pid? |
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| 23:10.21 | Quest | is there a way to make a live cd out of a usb startup disk (with some extra manually installed softwares). provided that the usb startup disk was actually made by a live cd of distro? |
| 23:10.24 | xand | I think there are some crossed wires here |
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| 23:11.35 | tinkster | 7970 |
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| 23:12.47 | tinkster | Hmmm ... ok, so if I comment out my firefox libs from ldconfig pidgin works again ... |
| 23:12.52 | tinkster | thanks for all the help |
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| 23:29.08 | smj | I'm using KDE apps in Xmonad, and they're using Oxygen engine, even though I've set it to Plastique or similar in 'systemsettings'. What am I missing? this PC is very lightweight and doesn't run Oxygen very well |
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| 23:41.01 | Quest | helo |
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| 23:41.32 | jhutchins_wk | Quest: If you used one of the live CD or installer disks then no, the apps you installed went to RAM. |
| 23:41.52 | jhutchins_wk | Quest: If you installed to the USB device, then you can probably have persistent installs. |
| 23:41.52 | Quest | remastersys can make a full system backup including personal data to a live cd or dvd that you can use anywhere and install. what does this means? |
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| 23:42.44 | Nethox | Quest, seems to be a backup + restore software bundle |
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| 23:44.19 | jhutchins_wk | CDs and DVDs do not work for persistent, writable installs. Since a USB device can be read/write you can use one for a persistent portable install. |
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| 23:45.27 | jhutchins_wk | CD/DVD RW doesn't work because you can't alter individual files, you can only re-write the whole image. |
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| 23:45.49 | jhutchins_wk | (There are ways to do it, but it's cumbersome. |
| 23:46.46 | Nethox | The keywords are persistent livecd OR liveusb |
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| 23:47.59 | jhutchins_wk | Nethox: He doesn't seem to be listening. |
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| 23:51.33 | tensorpudding | arggh, i removed the pcspkr module but i still get annoying beeps |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | !tell tensorpudding about bell |
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