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| 00:11.43 | acu | hey guys - how can I know the version of a specific package in a repository ?? |
| 00:12.37 | pfred1 | acu aptitude show |
| 00:13.14 | acu | pfred1, thanks, it works :) |
| 00:13.16 | abrotman | acu: packages.debian.org/foopkgname |
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| 00:18.01 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! I have a debian squeeze server with 4 1Gpbs NICs. I have only eth0 configured with an static IP=192.168.1.80. I configured eth1 and gave it an IP address (.81) [BUT THERE IS NO CABLE CONNECTED TO THIS]. When I ping the 81... guess what? It replies the pings and even let me connect as root. I do #ifconfig and only one interface is up= eth0. Why might this happen??? It is tricky since I won't ever know if there is a cable between my lapt |
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| 00:18.02 | dimitry7 | op and the interface. |
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| 00:23.06 | Tramp | dimitry7: I doubt, what you say. Your lo is up and all traffic to the local IP travels over lo |
| 00:23.23 | peterrooney | if that server is acting as the router for 192.168.1/24, it will accept anything headed for .81. on a similar note, if you were logged onto the server, you could ssh me@192.168.1.81 and still connect. |
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| 00:24.20 | Tramp | oh. didn't read properly. nvm |
| 00:24.25 | peterrooney | dimitry7: so it's no problem for it to route traffic to itself internally. |
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| 00:25.48 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:29.33 | frogsnot | Quest: remastersys relies heavily on the debian live projects special packages. without them, it would have to be entirely re-written. SO i would look more to answers on this subject by learning how to build installable debian spins with debians live-build tool |
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| 00:31.29 | Quest | frogsnot, i want to install a system, customize it. add remove apps and configs edit, make a livecd out of it and want that to be installed on different hardware machines . possible? |
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| 00:32.51 | frogsnot | yes Quest , and in fact that is quite a bit more possible and professionally doen with debian live-build than with remastersys |
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| 00:34.03 | Quest | frogsnot, actually i might use ubuntu too |
| 00:34.08 | Quest | so need a generic way |
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| 00:35.02 | frogsnot | well ubuntu has a version of live-build. And learning to use debians is probably the easiest/only way to start |
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| 00:37.42 | Quest | hm |
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| 00:37.52 | Quest | frogsnot, do i need to install the distro on an HDD before customizing it or i just need to customize the .iso file with some software? |
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| 00:40.55 | frogsnot | Quest: debian live-build is fully automatic. you put in your desired settings and the image is generated. |
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| 00:41.04 | arghwhyy | Hey |
| 00:41.48 | arghwhyy | One day out of nowhere my panel disappeared. |
| 00:42.00 | arghwhyy | many programs open by default at startup |
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| 00:42.14 | arghwhyy | and I can't do much of anything |
| 00:42.50 | arghwhyy | I also accidentally switched from Xfce to Gnome when trying to make the desktop environment one I can use to manage more easily |
| 00:42.53 | arghwhyy | any ideas? |
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| 00:44.05 | arghwhyy | Please, someone? |
| 00:44.17 | arghwhyy | I can barely use my computer |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | which problem are you trying to solve? |
| 00:44.26 | Quest | frogsnot, iam on a live usb (made from live cd). its just like live cd but lets me make persistant installs. i dont think i could make another livecd out of it? |
| 00:44.27 | mmnicolas | Backup and start over or aptitude install xfce4 ? |
| 00:44.28 | arghwhyy | the panel is completely gone out of nowhere |
| 00:45.03 | mmnicolas | arghwhyy: due to some previous package manipulation ? or it just happened out of nowhere ? |
| 00:45.04 | acu | hey guys - I want to install kolab mail /colaborative system, I have pinned the repos to kolabsys repos, however there are three particular packages that I have downloaded and want to be used instead of those in repos --- so if I do manual install it wil work that way ? or can anyone give me a hint |
| 00:45.14 | arghwhyy | it seemed to happen out of nowhere |
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| 00:45.20 | abrotman | arghwhyy: so start it .. use an xterm |
| 00:45.35 | arghwhyy | reinstall xfce in xterm? |
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| 00:45.57 | abrotman | no... |
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| 00:46.08 | abrotman | arghwhyy: solve one problem at a time |
| 00:46.24 | arghwhyy | okay I tried running aptitude install xfce4 but it didnt seem to do anything |
| 00:46.34 | abrotman | probably because it's already installed |
| 00:46.53 | mmnicolas | arghwhyy: can't you switch between xfce and gnome from your login manager ? |
| 00:47.13 | arghwhyy | I'll try to do that |
| 00:47.22 | arghwhyy | but when I did and switched to gnome the panel still was gone |
| 00:47.26 | arghwhyy | brb |
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| 00:47.51 | mmnicolas | try to start the panel manually then, from gnome, alt-f2 to get the "run" window and type "gnome-panel" |
| 00:47.55 | abrotman | might help to clarify which panel ... |
| 00:47.58 | mmnicolas | assuming you're using squeeze with gnome 2 |
| 00:48.35 | mmnicolas | yea.. I inverted things, he's trying to get back to xfce |
| 00:48.54 | mmnicolas | xfpanel ? |
| 00:49.35 | frogsnot | to chefs in the kitchen. let abrotman fix this guys computer, he knows gnome well and thats what the fellow wants fixed |
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| 00:49.41 | frogsnot | too many* |
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| 00:50.23 | abrotman | the guy disappeared .. |
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| 00:51.50 | arghwhyy_ | no, I can't switch desktop environments at login |
| 00:51.56 | arghwhyy_ | still no panel |
| 00:52.06 | abrotman | which panel ? |
| 00:52.17 | arghwhyy_ | the main one for either gnome or xfce |
| 00:52.18 | abrotman | are you in gnome now ? |
| 00:52.29 | arghwhyy_ | I guess? I'm not positive |
| 00:52.36 | abrotman | can you open an xterm ? |
| 00:52.39 | arghwhyy_ | yeah |
| 00:52.43 | arghwhyy_ | what should I run in it? |
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| 00:53.25 | abrotman | arghwhyy_: gnome-panel |
| 00:53.48 | arghwhyy_ | command not found |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | which version of linux is this ? |
| 00:54.32 | arghwhyy_ | Debian Squeeze 6.0.7 |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | can you install the gnome-panel package? |
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| 00:55.30 | arghwhyy_ | doing that now |
| 00:55.40 | arghwhyy_ | I would like to go back to xfce though, eventually |
| 00:56.17 | arghwhyy_ | what would have uninstalled the gnome-panel and xfce-panel? |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | you? |
| 00:57.19 | arghwhyy_ | well not intentionally |
| 00:57.47 | themill | did you try removing rhythmbox or empathy or something? |
| 00:58.12 | arghwhyy_ | I don't think so |
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| 00:59.32 | arghwhyy_ | should i run the same installation for xfce afterwards? |
| 00:59.49 | arghwhyy_ | okay so now it's done installing gnome-panel but I still see no panel |
| 00:59.52 | arghwhyy_ | what do I do? |
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| 01:00.07 | mmnicolas | wonders why would someone lose both panels in both DE for no reason |
| 01:00.25 | arghwhyy_ | wonders the same thing as mnicolas |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | arghwhyy_: can you run it ? |
| 01:00.34 | mmnicolas | hardware failure |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | mmnicolas: PEBKAC answers lots of questions |
| 01:00.52 | mmnicolas | abrotman: even that, is far-fetched |
| 01:00.53 | Quest | any solution to power up 48 phones cisco 7960 in a cheaper way than getting a 48 port POE expensive switch? |
| 01:00.58 | arghwhyy_ | Cannot register the panel shell: cannoct connect to the session bus. |
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| 01:01.05 | abrotman | arghwhyy_: is dbus running? |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | arghwhyy_: don't run it as root |
| 01:01.17 | arghwhyy_ | oh |
| 01:01.18 | arghwhyy_ | okay |
| 01:01.36 | arghwhyy_ | the panel is back |
| 01:01.41 | arghwhyy_ | will it stay back? |
| 01:02.19 | acu | hey guys I have a shamefully simple question --- let's say I want to point to this repository ---- http://mirror.kolabsys.com/pub/debian/kolab-3.0/incoming/wheezy/development/ ---- what do I need to enter in sources.list ----- deb http://mirror.kolabsys.com/pub/debian/kolab-3.0/incoming wheezy development ----- ? |
| 01:02.28 | Quest | waits |
| 01:02.30 | mmnicolas | arghwhyy_: did you try to "optimize" your system by disabling services ? |
| 01:02.44 | arghwhyy_ | I don't think I did |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | arghwhyy_: you'll have to log out and try |
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| 01:06.12 | arghwhyyy | okay |
| 01:06.17 | arghwhyyy | had to restart gnome-panel |
| 01:06.20 | arghwhyyy | after logging in |
| 01:06.36 | arghwhyyy | how do I put it into a startup commands list or whatever |
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| 01:06.49 | abrotman | maybe you should install the gnome metapackage? |
| 01:07.12 | arghwhyyy | how? |
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| 01:07.33 | arghwhyyy | gnome-metapackage? |
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| 01:08.59 | mmnicolas | gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 01:09.57 | arghwhyyy | hope this works |
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| 01:10.19 | arghwhyyy | even if i stick with gnome that'd be fine since this gnome panel looks like xfce except easier to read menu, more like kde |
| 01:10.36 | arghwhyyy | but i'd prefer xfce eventually |
| 01:11.31 | abrotman | it's actually 'gnome' |
| 01:11.57 | arghwhyyy | oh I see |
| 01:12.02 | arghwhyyy | more like the older versions then |
| 01:12.08 | arghwhyyy | ? |
| 01:12.23 | arghwhyyy | before the os x-ization of gnome? |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | problems all fixed? |
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| 01:12.59 | arghwhyyy | still installing gnome |
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| 01:14.28 | arghwhyyy | it's installng some stuff idk if I need but oh well |
| 01:15.35 | arghwhyyy | should I choose gdm3 or gdm as default display manager? |
| 01:15.56 | arghwhyyy | if I prefer the look of gnome 2.x over gnome 3.6 |
| 01:16.19 | themill | gdm3 |
| 01:16.31 | arghwhyyy | done |
| 01:16.45 | arghwhyyy | unpacking a lot of shit now... |
| 01:16.54 | arghwhyyy | once it's done do I just log back out then in? |
| 01:18.25 | arghwhyyy | okay it's all installed |
| 01:18.36 | arghwhyyy | now i'll logout of root and get a new login |
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| 01:20.19 | arghhhwhyyyy | so now i have a new login screen and curson |
| 01:20.21 | arghhhwhyyyy | *cursor |
| 01:20.28 | arghhhwhyyyy | but still no panel when I log in |
| 01:20.51 | arghhhwhyyyy | so close |
| 01:21.12 | arghhhwhyyyy | why isn't the panel starting up when I log in by default? |
| 01:22.26 | mmnicolas | arghhhwhyyyy: go in System > Administration > Services, make sure the dbus service is checked |
| 01:22.29 | acu | hey guys - can anyone tell me how what do I need to point the repositories to this ? http://mirror.kolabsys.com/pub/debian/kolab-3.0/incoming/wheezy/development/ ? |
| 01:23.03 | dvs | acu: Not a debian repo |
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| 01:23.39 | acu | dvs: OK, if it was a debian repo, how would you point to it ? |
| 01:23.41 | arghhhwhyyyy | dpkg doesnt even show up in this list? |
| 01:23.43 | dpkg | arghhhwhyyyy: i don't know |
| 01:24.07 | mmnicolas | acu: http://.../incoming/ wheezy/development |
| 01:24.12 | dvs | acu: it's not. It doesn't have the right file structure |
| 01:24.26 | mmnicolas | arghhhwhyyyy: not dpkg, dbus |
| 01:24.44 | themill | mmnicolas, acu: we can't tell you because there's no Release file |
| 01:24.52 | arghhhwhyyyy | neither is there |
| 01:25.15 | arghhhwhyyyy | it's not even an option |
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| 01:26.25 | arghhhwhyyyy | what do I do if dbus isn't available in the list of services |
| 01:26.29 | arghhhwhyyyy | that doesnt seem to make sense |
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| 01:27.30 | themill | acu: however, «deb http://mirror.kolabsys.com/pub/debian/kolab-3.0/ wheezy development» looks like it would work. You really should ask the people who make the repository. |
| 01:27.50 | arghhhwhyyyy | neither root nor user can run dbus |
| 01:28.07 | themill | acu: "incoming" is a queue of packages to be added to the repository; it is not a repository |
| 01:29.05 | acu | themill: thanks your suggestion - it is true is a que - I need from there only three packages - but I still do not know how to mix it --- |
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| 01:29.21 | acu | themill: thank you for your help though |
| 01:29.28 | arghhhwhyyyy | any ideas? |
| 01:29.40 | arghhhwhyyyy | on getting dbus to appear in the list of services |
| 01:29.50 | arghhhwhyyyy | should i install it? |
| 01:29.54 | arghhhwhyyyy | it should be installed |
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| 01:30.51 | arghhhwhyyyy | sorry for being such a noob |
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| 01:31.04 | arghhhwhyyyy | I dont understand why dbus isnt appearing int he list of services |
| 01:31.17 | arghhhwhyyyy | or why I haven't got the panel even when I reinstalled gdm |
| 01:32.07 | arghhhwhyyyy | anyone? |
| 01:32.15 | acu | arghhhwhyyyy, it seem that you are so noisy without being concise, what system are you running, what are you trying to do, what is the error ? |
| 01:32.39 | mmnicolas | arghhhwhyyyy: if everything is installed properly, try adding a new user and use the new one instead |
| 01:32.42 | acu | you have to make an effort to ask properly so people can help you |
| 01:32.52 | arghhhwhyyyy | I am on Debian 6.0.7 GNU/Linux on a ThinkPad Edge |
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| 01:33.23 | acu | OK, it is a start are you using amd64 what exactly you want to do |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | arghhhwhyyyy: try to reboot, see if it works when you login again |
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| 01:34.13 | arghhhwhyyyy | i am using amd64 |
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| 01:34.23 | acu | great, did you reboot ? |
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| 01:34.28 | arghhhwhyyyy | i want to use my computer without manually running the panel |
| 01:34.32 | arghhhwhyyyy | rebooting now |
| 01:34.33 | beepie | just curious as to why exfat is now in mainstream repository, rather than being in backports or non-free :/ lol |
| 01:34.38 | beepie | ^ anyone? |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | beepie: this is a problem ? |
| 01:35.00 | beepie | abrotman, yes |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:35.05 | beepie | abrotman, exfat is M$ |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | do you have problem with that? |
| 01:35.29 | beepie | abrotman, I just thought I did. |
| 01:35.35 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | emm dollarsign |
| 01:35.38 | abrotman | glad you don't anymore .. have a good day |
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| 01:35.44 | beepie | abrotman, I'm asking why it's not in another repo as contrib, or non-free. |
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| 01:35.48 | abrotman | why would it be? |
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| 01:36.10 | beepie | yawns and looks for senior level mailing lists |
| 01:36.15 | Jdbye | slaps beepie around a bit with a large trout |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | beepie: i don't think you understand what you're talking about |
| 01:36.28 | themill | beepie: perhaps you should answer abrotman's question |
| 01:36.53 | acu | arghhhwhyyyy, did it work ? anyhow, it seem that you are just starting with debian - if I where you I would have installed Wheezy (7.0) intstead of Squeeze |
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| 01:36.58 | arghwhy | okay |
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| 01:37.10 | abrotman | okay what? |
| 01:37.14 | arghwhy | not in the new account, in my old account new log in after reboot |
| 01:37.17 | arghwhy | still no panel |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | beepie: why should exfat not be in main? |
| 01:37.34 | acu | arghwhy, did it work ? anyhow, it seem that you are just starting with debian - if I where you I would have installed Wheezy (7.0) intstead of Squeeze |
| 01:37.45 | arghwhy | Yeah? |
| 01:37.52 | arghwhy | even though it's not stable? |
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| 01:38.11 | acu | unless you run a space station, I would use wheezy ? |
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| 01:38.20 | themill | (and perhaps you should look at the copyright information on the exfat packages) |
| 01:38.26 | abrotman | ah, nother useless troll |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | another |
| 01:39.31 | SARC | Has libnss-mysql been replaced with libnss-mysql-bg in wheezy? or was libnss-mysql deprecated? |
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| 01:40.10 | arghfinallycoola | okay, that new user acct is working just right so far |
| 01:40.22 | arghfinallycoola | but how do I remove that old user account that is broken? |
| 01:40.26 | arghfinallycoola | deluser? |
| 01:40.40 | themill | ,bug 617591 |
| 01:40.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/617591 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: libnss-mysql -- RoQA; orphaned, dead upstream, unused»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-03-09; last modified: 2011-04-08. |
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| 01:40.51 | themill | SARC: ^^ yes, you could use libnss-mysql-bg instead |
| 01:41.18 | SARC | Cool... so I should have no problems migrating to the bg package with my existing databases? |
| 01:41.35 | arghfinallycoola | so now what do I do to remove the user account that doesn't work anymore? |
| 01:41.48 | arghfinallycoola | obviously it has to be done as root |
| 01:42.04 | themill | SARC: no idea... the -bg package is supposed to be more flexible which might imply that it will be "some assembly required" to tell NSS where which table and columns to be using |
| 01:42.19 | dvs | arghfinallycoola: you answerd your own question. |
| 01:42.30 | themill | SARC: for something like authn/authz, if in doubt try it out in a VM first... |
| 01:42.36 | arghfinallycoola | deluser? |
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| 01:42.59 | SARC | themill: ok... thanks. I will try that since the other package doesn't exist in apt for wheezy |
| 01:43.01 | arghfinallycoola | okay |
| 01:43.02 | arghfinallycoola | haha |
| 01:43.03 | arghfinallycoola | sorry |
| 01:43.26 | arghfinallycoola | thank you all for your help! |
| 01:46.31 | beepie | exfat was previously in backports children. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=exfat |
| 01:46.34 | beepie | tsk. |
| 01:46.35 | beepie | peace. |
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| 01:47.48 | abrotman | so stupid |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | clearly doesn't have a clue |
| 01:48.42 | themill | jftr, exfat still is in backports and is still GPLv3+. |
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| 01:48.46 | SARC | one last question for tonight... i'd like to disable the "i8042: controller not found" error at boot, as I do not have a ps2 controller. I thought what I needed to do was add i8042.noaux to GRUB, but I must be doing something wrong because I am still getting the error message |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | themill: you mean just like it was before?! |
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| 01:49.07 | abrotman | themill: OMG .. does M$ know?! |
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| 01:50.02 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | Do people in the UK call it M£ |
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| 01:52.36 | seeker61 | uninstalled epiphany and reinstalled iceweasel after updates ran and now iceweasel closes on its on |
| 01:52.39 | seeker61 | own |
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| 01:53.54 | mmnicolas | seeker61: close it, type 'mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-bak', try again |
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| 01:55.08 | seeker61 | nicolas: ok thatnks |
| 01:55.13 | seeker61 | thanks |
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| 01:56.20 | tharkun | Up to squeeze I used to ifconfig eth1 essid .... key ... commit ; dhclient -v eth1 Now on wheezy I geth a wlan0 device should I just "fix" the script or is it a totally different way of doing stuff? |
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| 01:57.43 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: you can still use /etc/network/interfaces; or manual configuration if you want |
| 01:58.01 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: or you can use wpa_supplicant or similar directly, or wicd or network manager. all of them work |
| 01:58.02 | seeker61 | nicholas: where is it in file directory it says it does not find it |
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| 02:13.06 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Thanks but for some reason the wl driver (Yes I have a crappy Broadcom LP wifi card) no longer accept iwconfig commands. |
| 02:14.13 | tharkun | What is the module that needs to be blacklisted so there is no sound when shuting down? Wheezy by default has this anoying sound configured :( |
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| 02:15.39 | abrotman | it does? |
| 02:16.03 | dvs | *dun* |
| 02:17.20 | tharkun | abrotman: On this fresh install with the wheezy installer it does. BTW smooth ride the installer |
| 02:18.13 | tharkun | pcspkr 12579 0 |
| 02:18.27 | tharkun | How does it get blacklisted? |
| 02:18.37 | abrotman | tharkun: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 02:19.31 | SARC | that's what id like to do for i8042.... blacklist it, but im not having luck |
| 02:19.51 | tharkun | abrotman: Thanks |
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| 02:21.12 | tharkun | SARC: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 02:26.16 | seeker61 | so i uninstalled and reinstalled epipahany and iceweasel -- epiphany works iceweasel closes automatically |
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| 02:27.14 | nonconvergent | After I installed openjdk7, what do I need to do to get /usr/bin/java to point to the java 7 jre? |
| 02:27.22 | seeker61 | when i run mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-bak it says it can not find .mozilla |
| 02:27.41 | themill | dpkg: tell nonconvergent about update-java-alternatives |
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| 02:38.24 | tharkun | abrotman: How can I trash all sound on my system the system bell or pcspeaker or whatever is driving me crazy. |
| 02:38.57 | abrotman | turn the speakers down |
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| 02:40.48 | tharkun | abrotman: no use |
| 02:40.58 | tharkun | speakers at zero |
| 02:41.06 | tharkun | and sound enerving |
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| 02:42.23 | Nethox | tharkun, have you executed modprobe -r pcspkr? |
| 02:42.44 | Nethox | Aside of blacklisting it with modprobe |
| 02:43.07 | Nethox | *from |
| 02:43.08 | tharkun | Nethox: yes, I even blacklisted and I updated initramfs |
| 02:43.42 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | do you have a "system alert" or "system bell" on in X then |
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| 02:43.47 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | or your terminal emulator |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | tharkun: and you disabled all the bells ? |
| 02:44.06 | Nethox | tharkun, use alsamixer to check if there exist some "Beep" channel and mute it with M key |
| 02:45.21 | tharkun | Nethox: alsamixer is only displaying Master and Capture |
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| 02:45.48 | tharkun | abrotman: How do I disable them? I'm going nuts because I can't. |
| 02:45.56 | Nethox | Check /etc/inputrc, set bell-style none |
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| 02:46.33 | zpx | is there any need for the cpufreq and loadcpu stuff? |
| 02:46.40 | Nethox | Or visual if you like epilepsy |
| 02:47.12 | tharkun | Nethox: do I need to reboot or do I keep on blacklisting modules? |
| 02:47.52 | Nethox | zpx, with cpufrequtils, by default the ondemand governor will be set at startup. But you can do it by hand, with cron @reboot or however you like |
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| 02:48.27 | Nethox | tharkun, for the inputrc, login at any VT and check if it remains |
| 02:48.42 | zpx | Nethox, i put kernel 3.8.8 on, now it says the governor is disabled |
| 02:48.51 | zpx | so i just disabled the service |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tharkun about bell |
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| 02:50.30 | tharkun | abrotman: Thanks I ou you one. Now how do I make it persistent through a reboot? |
| 02:50.42 | Nethox | zpx, who says the governor is disabled? |
| 02:51.19 | tharkun | Nethox: inputrc worked fine |
| 02:51.26 | zpx | during startup, when the cpufreq service is started |
| 02:51.39 | zpx | it complains about the governor missing or disabled |
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| 02:52.39 | abrotman | tharkun: whic thing ? |
| 02:52.43 | zpx | not sure if i needed to add some option when i configed the kernel or if its even related to the new kernel |
| 02:52.53 | zpx | i havent used linux in many years |
| 02:53.14 | tharkun | abrotman: xset b off |
| 02:53.18 | Nethox | zpx, paste the output of this command on pastebin.com: find /lib/modules/ -name "*cpufreq*" |
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| 02:53.33 | abrotman | tharkun: i thought you said it was making noises on shutdown ? |
| 02:54.05 | Nethox | tharkun, you can always disconnect the speaker cable at the motherboard |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | not always |
| 02:54.16 | zpx | Nethox: no matches found |
| 02:54.45 | Nethox | On desktop PCs |
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| 02:55.21 | tharkun | reboots for testing purposes |
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| 02:56.17 | Nethox | zpx, if you haven't used Linux in many years, why do you compile your own kernel? |
| 02:56.34 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | zpx: in menuconfig, the cpufreq governers are in Power Management and ACPI Options -> CPU Frequency Scaling |
| 02:56.45 | zpx | shits and giggles, i just wanted to prove to myself i still could |
| 02:57.00 | zpx | ahh, thanks JWGUBNYMGBQWOI |
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| 02:57.45 | themill | zpx: if you've got free time, there are plenty of bugs over at bugs.debian.org that could do with triaging and patches written for them |
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| 02:58.53 | zpx | ok, ill check that out |
| 02:58.54 | nevyn | zpx: the pain is configuring the actual build and boot bit is trivial. |
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| 03:02.24 | tharkun | reboot and shutdown make the pcspeaker sound. Any ideas on how to shut it off? |
| 03:02.58 | zpx | update-rc.d script defaults, is that literal or do you replace script with the S or K script you just enabled/disabled? |
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| 03:03.34 | bean | you replace script with the name of the script in /etc/init.d |
| 03:03.59 | zpx | so do i have to run that for everyone i disabled? |
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| 03:04.59 | bean | uh |
| 03:05.00 | bean | likely |
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| 03:07.47 | zpx | hmm, so if I simply rename a few SXXscripts to KXXscripts, do i need to run the update-rc.d command? |
| 03:07.58 | zpx | it keeps tossing errors at me when i try |
| 03:08.12 | LtL | zpx: do not do that |
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| 03:08.50 | zpx | LtL: which part, the manual renaming? |
| 03:08.58 | bean | yes, do not manually rename |
| 03:09.09 | zpx | what is the proper way? |
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| 03:09.11 | bean | thats really not a good idea |
| 03:09.16 | LtL | zpx: update-rc.d service defaults sets the runlevel script to 'S' 'remove' sets it to K. as in disabled. |
| 03:10.13 | zpx | oh i see, thanks |
| 03:10.16 | LtL | zpx: update-rc.d service -f remove - removes the /etc/init.d/ service entirely |
| 03:10.18 | Nethox | No, 'stop' changes them to K, 'remove' removes all the symlinks |
| 03:10.20 | LtL | iirc |
| 03:10.34 | Nethox | And 'remove' needs -f (force) |
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| 03:11.24 | LtL | no, remove sets to K -- update-rc.d servicename -f remove will remove the scripts entirely |
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| 03:12.44 | LtL | no -f is the safe play. then you can always re-enable with update-rc.d <service> defaults |
| 03:12.47 | tharkun | Nethox: If I do man the bell fires up when having set bell-style none on inputrc |
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| 03:13.00 | zpx | huh, i was following the README recommendation on how to enable/disable services at startup |
| 03:13.07 | zpx | it said to rename them |
| 03:13.16 | bean | the README for what |
| 03:13.31 | tharkun | It seems xset b off is more general but the reboot and shutdown command still make noise :( |
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| 03:13.53 | zpx | /etc/rc2.d/README |
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| 03:15.05 | bean | zpx, http://wiki.debian.org/Daemon#Enable.2Fdisable_daemons |
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| 03:15.51 | LtL | zpx: Those directions regard changing the order subtracting the number from 100 or something. man update-rc.d |
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| 03:17.32 | zpx | ok, thanks again |
| 03:17.44 | LtL | zpx: welcome |
| 03:17.52 | Nethox | "disable" sets to K, "remove" (with or without -f) removes the symlinks |
| 03:18.28 | LtL | Nethox: youre right, i havent done it in awhile. |
| 03:18.38 | LtL | zpx: disable then. |
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| 03:19.02 | LtL | Nethox: thanks |
| 03:19.45 | Nethox | Anyways, I was also confused, I meant "disable" and not "stop". Although "stop" also sets to K but you must specify the runlevel and is used with "start" |
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| 03:22.04 | zpx | yup, using disable |
| 03:22.15 | zpx | ignore all the crap about different runlevels |
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| 03:22.43 | Nethox | I check it with: ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*service* |
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| 04:19.55 | tharkun | Nethox, abrotman: To make things more puzzling shuting down from the gnome wm you get no noise at all but if you do shutdown -h 0 from a terminal you get the annoying beep. Same happens with reboot. Any ideas how to disable the annoying beep? |
| 04:20.38 | Nethox | tharkun, terminal emulator from X or VT? |
| 04:21.04 | tharkun | gnome-terminal |
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| 04:21.59 | Nethox | tharkun, doesn't it allow disabling the bell? |
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| 04:23.19 | tharkun | Nethox: Is is disabled but still you get your sound when doing reboot or shutdown. annoying to say the least. |
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| 04:28.00 | Nethox | tharkun, lsmod|grep pcspkr? |
| 04:29.21 | Nethox | tharkun, have you checked pcspkr remains unloaded and xset bell remains off after reboot? |
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| 04:33.01 | tharkun | Nethox: Fixing now, I will rebuild the initramfs once again to make sure it is not loaded. This is getting repetitive |
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| 04:39.29 | tharkun | Nethox: .Xresources is complaining about .Xresources:2:53: warning: missing terminating ' character [enabled by default] |
| 04:39.44 | tharkun | and it is not setting the bell argument as expected |
| 04:40.48 | Nethox | tharkun, paste the 2nd line |
| 04:42.08 | relipse | for some reason my webserver (debian squeeze, apache, php 5.3) won't send mail() to yahoo.com accounts, any idea? |
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| 04:43.43 | Nethox | relipse, check your server is not included in some blacklist |
| 04:43.53 | relipse | it can't be its brand new |
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| 04:46.34 | Nethox | relipse, the server IP, I meant. Debian has the package rblcheck |
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| 04:47.07 | Nethox | I doubt there are many IPv4 ranges brand-new :) |
| 04:47.26 | tharkun | Nethox: ! contains X resources specific to the invoking user's environment. The settings are loaded with xrdb -merge. |
| 04:47.28 | relipse | i know it is a brand new linode |
| 04:47.40 | relipse | with own ip |
| 04:47.47 | tharkun | relipse: check your mail logs |
| 04:48.42 | tharkun | relipse: What mta are you using? |
| 04:49.39 | relipse | i'm using php's mail() function |
| 04:49.40 | Nethox | tharkun, user's -> single quote. Maybe that should be escaped... or simple removed |
| 04:49.45 | relipse | it sends emails to everyone else |
| 04:49.50 | relipse | just appears to not send to yahoo |
| 04:49.56 | relipse | and not in spam folder either |
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| 04:51.18 | Nethox | relipse, do you have access to logs? |
| 04:51.36 | relipse | yes root, where/which logs? |
| 04:51.37 | tharkun | Nethox: fixing |
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| 04:52.29 | Nethox | relipse, it depends on your MTA, but try /var/log/mail.log |
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| 04:55.04 | tharkun | Nethox: I fail on the apropiate syntax to instruct X to do the xset b 0 0 0 but then I'm researching on google now |
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| 04:55.50 | Nethox | tharkun, I use .xsession to add commands, but your desktop environment *DE or window manager may have its own method |
| 04:56.19 | relipse | Nethox: ok found it, does this shed any light on the situation: https://pastee.org/thsyt |
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| 04:58.54 | superlinux-hp | why not kernel 3.8 in wheezy? |
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| 04:59.13 | superlinux-hp | and on which basis the kernel is selected? |
| 05:00.45 | themill | !wheezy kernel |
| 05:00.46 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" will release with the Linux 3.2 kernel, with additional features backported (from later kernel versions) to provide better hardware support. See http://lists.debian.org/20120129182205.GR12704@decadent.org.uk and http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/whats-in-the-linux-kernel-for-debian-70-wheezy-part-4.html for further details. Newer kernels will be provided through <backports.debian.org> as usual. |
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| 05:06.16 | Nethox | relipse, not sure, it could be full mailbox or too big message, or some syntax error. Search that error status in your specific MTA documentation |
| 05:06.43 | relipse | its not too full mailbox, i created a new yahoo account just to test it out |
| 05:07.52 | themill | wonders why you'd be using sendmail |
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| 05:26.52 | samantha-e- | is there an easy way to run chmod so it operates only on directories? and also restrict to only files? |
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| 05:29.33 | themill | samantha-e-: I'll take a wild stab that you want to look at the X symbolic mode in chmod(1). (Otherwise, you need to use find) |
| 05:32.08 | apm1 | anyone did a squeeze (with gnome desktop ) --> wheezy(with gnome) dist-upgrade recently ? |
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| 05:53.44 | themill | apm1: you could assume yes and ask your real question |
| 05:54.09 | apm1 | i am actually worried that it'll fail on me |
| 05:54.22 | themill | fail in what way? |
| 05:54.26 | apm1 | since there is an rc bug and all |
| 05:54.41 | apm1 | fail as in the transition from gnome 2 to gnome 3 |
| 05:54.56 | themill | there are about 30 of them -- but you'd probably find that none of them relate to packages you've got installed. |
| 05:55.14 | apm1 | themill, let me link you to the bug i am talking abt |
| 05:55.16 | themill | During the upgrade, apt should automatically install the gnome3 packages for you |
| 05:55.26 | apm1 | i understand that |
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| 05:57.58 | apm1 | themill, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=680626 |
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| 06:03.02 | themill | apm1: if you read to the end of that bug log, you'll see that the specific issue discussed there won't happen. There are a few rough edges on squeeze->wheezy right now, but nothing people here in #debian won't be able to help you navigate around. |
| 06:04.20 | apm1 | themill, thats a relief to hear :) |
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| 06:05.30 | apm1 | i have another problem with gparted |
| 06:05.49 | apm1 | i am running a wheezy install from a flash drive |
| 06:06.16 | apm1 | when i plug in another flash drive containing an RHEL install |
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| 06:06.47 | apm1 | gparted shows my debian partition has the label RHEL 6.4 ? |
| 06:06.55 | apm1 | how is that even possible ? |
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| 06:08.45 | rjsalts | apm1: e2label /dev/sda3 foo |
| 06:09.02 | rjsalts | apm1: maybe |
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| 06:09.36 | apm1 | rjsalts, the label doesn't annoy me , its just grotesque to see such a thing happened |
| 06:09.40 | rjsalts | apm1: i.e. the label is completely arbitrary and can be changed at any time by the root user |
| 06:10.23 | apm1 | rjsalts, thanks for the info :) |
| 06:11.38 | rjsalts | and there are often braindead vendor packages which look for specific RHEL stuff such as specific things in /etc/issue or the like |
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| 06:11.55 | rjsalts | so could have been set to that to work around such a package |
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| 06:12.22 | rjsalts | often OEM monitoring tools for IPMI or the like |
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| 06:19.55 | brdxufan | hello |
| 06:19.57 | brdxufan | who |
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| 06:20.02 | brdxufan | who use vim |
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| 06:20.15 | brdxufan | can you help me? |
| 06:20.19 | Blue1 | uses nano - |
| 06:20.29 | brdxufan | oh. |
| 06:21.09 | Blue1 | in 8 years of using linux - I use nano - it's brainless, and about a 3 min learning curve |
| 06:21.21 | brdxufan | my "vim" "up down left right" is a/b/c/d |
| 06:21.29 | Blue1 | smart |
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| 06:22.19 | Blue1 | seems I remember using i j k m on a dec -- |
| 06:23.07 | brdxufan | but i want to use up down..... |
| 06:23.15 | apm1 | Blue1, amen to nano brother |
| 06:23.40 | maik | you can do arrow keys and home row letters in vim |
| 06:23.57 | maik | *i* don't though |
| 06:24.00 | maik | </elitist vim user> |
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| 06:24.09 | Blue1 | it has been over 30 years since I used a dec |
| 06:24.34 | Blue1 | i lot of linux is a lot of rsx-11m |
| 06:24.42 | maik | i ended up disabling the arrow keys once to force myself to use hjkl though and i feel like i'm more efficient now |
| 06:25.13 | Blue1 | owch |
| 06:25.59 | brdxufan | i want to solve this problem |
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| 06:26.39 | maik | brdxufan: oh, i thought you meant up/down/left/right was mapped to abcd |
| 06:26.44 | maik | but you're saying it prints out A B C D? |
| 06:26.51 | maik | http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Fix_arrow_keys_that_display_A_B_C_D_on_remote_shell |
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| 06:34.55 | brdxufan | maik, thanks.! |
| 06:35.02 | maik | you're welcome :) |
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| 07:14.45 | invariant | I get "File name too long". Is that an application (wget) limitation or a file system limitation? |
| 07:14.52 | invariant | I am using ext4. |
| 07:15.09 | invariant | I thought we were passed such silly file system limitations. |
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| 07:15.40 | themill | ext4 has a 255 char filename limitation iirc |
| 07:15.41 | invariant | Or not. |
| 07:15.48 | invariant | Yeah, that's terrible. |
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| 07:16.06 | invariant | themill, the result is that wget -N doesn't work. |
| 07:16.10 | themill | 8.3 is more than sufficient |
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| 07:17.01 | invariant | Is there any replacement for wget -N which renames files to fit with ext4 limitations? |
| 07:17.32 | themill | how are you using it? |
| 07:18.11 | invariant | themill, wget -N <url> |
| 07:18.34 | invariant | themill, if you also use the -O option, it disables the -N behaviour. |
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| 07:19.12 | invariant | themill, or did you mean something else? |
| 07:19.15 | truexfan81 | i need help lol |
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| 07:19.38 | truexfan81 | for some reason lightdm does not want to stop |
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| 07:19.58 | Jckf | I had a problem with a Debian box earlier this week, where the CPU load avg. was crazy high. htop/atop attributed it to system. Could this have caused it? http://wolfram.jckf.no/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/open_inodes.html You can see it has dropped to about 50k now after a reboot, which also solved the problem I was having. |
| 07:20.06 | themill | invariant: I can't reproduce any failure mode there |
| 07:20.31 | Jckf | THe load is visible on these graphs http://wolfram.jckf.no/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html |
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| 07:22.27 | invariant | themill, wget -N https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/latest/4364/addon-4364-latest.xpi?src=search |
| 07:22.33 | invariant | themill, try that. |
| 07:22.57 | truexfan81 | ok got lightdm to stop, now i found out that my attempt to blacklist nouveau didn't take |
| 07:23.21 | truexfan81 | does debian keep blacklists somewhere other than the normal /etc/modprobe.d/? |
| 07:23.26 | invariant | ZFS has the same limitation as ext4. |
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| 07:23.40 | invariant | So much for it being the last word on file systems. |
| 07:23.44 | themill | invariant: no problems doing that here -- first time it downloads a file called "addon-4364-latest.xpi?src=search" (yay) second time it just says "Server file no newer..." |
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| 07:24.54 | invariant | themill, it stores a much larger named file here. |
| 07:25.12 | invariant | themill, containing extra parameters, like the source, etc. |
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| 07:25.58 | invariant | themill, if there would be a way to name the file as its final resolved target name, that would also solve the problem. |
| 07:26.40 | invariant | themill, I was actually using wget --timestamping -P but that shouldn't make a difference. |
| 07:26.50 | themill | there's also --trust-server-names which is probably what you want |
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| 07:27.12 | themill | «Saving to: `element_hiding_helper_for_adblock_plus-1.2.3-fx+tb+sm.xpi'» |
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| 07:27.51 | truexfan81 | !blacklist |
| 07:27.52 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 07:28.03 | invariant | themill, which version of wget are you running? Squeeze? |
| 07:28.18 | themill | invariant: I get the same behaviour in both squeeze and wheezy |
| 07:28.32 | themill | invariant: do you have a .wgetrc around? |
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| 07:28.56 | invariant | themill, no, I disabled that, because it caused such issues before. |
| 07:29.03 | ariqs | roughly how much longer till wheezy is release? |
| 07:29.08 | nevyn | wir |
| 07:29.15 | nevyn | !wheezy |
| 07:29.15 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) is scheduled for release on the weekend of 4th/5th May 2013. Ask me about <install wheezy>, <wheezy release notes>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
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| 07:29.27 | ariqs | thanks |
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| 07:29.42 | nevyn | that's not iron clad... |
| 07:29.46 | themill | ariqs: what you install today for wheezy will be almost identical to what is released |
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| 07:29.50 | invariant | themill, how can I find which file was downloaded by trust-server-names? |
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| 07:30.20 | themill | invariant: you mean you don't trust the server? ;) that's the problem with that option |
| 07:30.34 | themill | unless you want to start parsing stderr from wget... |
| 07:30.46 | invariant | themill, no, I don't care which filename it uses, as long as it tells me which one. |
| 07:31.13 | invariant | themill, which it does, but that again needs parsing, like you say. |
| 07:31.32 | invariant | If it would just output it on stdout on the last line... |
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| 07:33.11 | themill | in2tactics: … 2>&1 | sed -nr 's/Saving to: `(.*).$/\1/p' |
| 07:33.27 | themill | er... invariant^^ |
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| 07:36.23 | invariant | themill, how do you keep multiple addons installed installed on a large subset of the machines on your LAN? |
| 07:36.53 | nevyn | addons? |
| 07:36.54 | invariant | themill, also by using a hack like this or do you just expect your users to maintain it themselves? |
| 07:37.30 | themill | invariant: I don't administer systems like that so it's not my problem™ |
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| 07:37.37 | invariant | Yes, those addons don't exist for nothing, because Mozilla fixes bugs too slowly. |
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| 07:38.12 | invariant | In general, being able to type one command to install Everything TM is nice. |
| 07:38.27 | themill | invariant: you can put them in .debs and iceweasel will pick them up but users can still choose to not have them in their session if they want. |
| 07:38.54 | themill | there's a stack of xul-ext-* packages if you want to look at how it's done |
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| 07:39.05 | invariant | themill, I can't use iceweasel, because it contains way too many bugs. |
| 07:39.10 | themill | ... |
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| 07:39.48 | invariant | themill, your xul-ext suggestion is interesting. Thanks. |
| 07:39.59 | themill | not sure that changing the logo adds that many bugs. |
| 07:40.05 | invariant | themill, it doesn't. |
| 07:40.15 | invariant | themill, the problem is that newer version do work better. |
| 07:40.39 | themill | invariant: iceweasel 20 is in the repos |
| 07:40.59 | invariant | themill, in wheezy you mean? |
| 07:41.17 | themill | mozilla.debian.net for squeeze |
| 07:41.26 | invariant | themill, ok, then that must have been updated. |
| 07:41.40 | invariant | themill, sounds like a good reason to switch back then to official Debian version. |
| 07:42.06 | themill | (and it will be in wheezy-backports soon after wheezy has been released) |
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| 07:42.27 | invariant | Is there anyone who tests wheezy with the express goal to break it? |
| 07:42.29 | themill | mozilla.d.n usually only lags a very short period behind experimental and firefox |
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| 07:43.15 | krofna | There are enough bugs without trying to break it. |
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| 07:43.41 | invariant | krofna, but it is better than Squeeze or not even that? |
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| 07:44.10 | invariant | I mean, if it isn't, then perhaps you shouldn't release it yet. |
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| 07:44.15 | themill | invariant: I'd say it's better than squeeze. It has fewer RC bugs against it than squeeze if you want a metric. |
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| 07:44.30 | krofna | It is certainly better than squeeze |
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| 07:44.44 | invariant | themill, yeah, I count that as progress, if severity is taken into account. |
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| 07:45.07 | csc` | i have an issue regarding my VPS and X11 forwarding. Everything in /etc/ssh/sshd_config is set properly that i know of, but it sets no DISPLAY variable |
| 07:45.21 | csc` | and manually using the display localhost:10.0 does nothing |
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| 07:45.36 | csc` | im running debian 6/squeeze |
| 07:45.37 | themill | csc`: have you installed the "xauth" package at both ends? |
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| 07:45.51 | nevyn | csc`: what are you running on your client? |
| 07:46.03 | csc` | nevyn, you don't want to know |
| 07:46.15 | csc` | themill, no, i could not find any documentations referencing it |
| 07:46.16 | csc` | it is now though |
| 07:46.20 | nevyn | is there an X server locally on your client? |
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| 07:46.41 | csc` | yes |
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| 07:46.50 | csc` | xauth was installed on the client but not the server |
| 07:46.58 | csc` | what do i do now, restart sshd and relog? |
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| 07:47.13 | themill | csc`: well installing openssh-server would install xauth unless you asked it not to... that's pretty strong documentation referencing it. |
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| 07:47.47 | peterrooney | ...except that there's been several more years where squeeze has been in common useage |
| 07:47.47 | csc` | themill, apparently im not using openssh |
| 07:48.02 | csc` | themill, because it was not installed on the vps |
| 07:48.05 | themill | peterrooney: (sure -- that's why I said "if you want a metric) |
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| 07:48.32 | csc` | themill, lack of xauth was the problem |
| 07:48.59 | themill | win me |
| 07:49.04 | Blue1 | I have an atheros ar9485 (using wheezy) that will not stay connected to my wireless - modprobe ath9k shows it is present and loaded |
| 07:49.14 | rdz | hi all. How can I check if dependency based booting is already configured? |
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| 07:49.41 | csc` | huzzah |
| 07:49.51 | csc` | themill, if i had enough bitcoins i'd tip ya |
| 07:49.52 | csc` | :P |
| 07:49.57 | csc` | thanks |
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| 07:51.48 | peterrooney | How can I measure how much better one metric is than another one? |
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| 07:52.42 | et | you need to define a metric for that first |
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| 07:53.16 | themill | peterrooney: random number generators are better. |
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| 07:58.51 | invariant | peterrooney, the right way to manage large software would be to keep continuous testing of all features and formal proofs of correctness when no bugs have been found via testing. Too bad this will likely never happen. |
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| 07:59.57 | themill | invariant: good luck in getting a formal proof of correctness for anything complicated enough to be in the debian archive. |
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| 08:01.37 | invariant | themill, there are theorem provers in the archive which have relativation proofs, but I don't think it is full automatically bootstrapped or extends to the full package. |
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| 08:38.24 | Girugamesh | hello. i would like to know if i can use multiple sources to build a local debmirror. |
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| 08:49.20 | petn-randall | Does any one have experience with the several 'multiple ssh sessions in one' tools like clusterssh, hotssh, pssh, mssh, mussh, etc? Is there one you can recommend over the other? |
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| 08:54.15 | lkthomas | hey guys, after google around, I still don't understand how could I define cron job to run every first week of sunday |
| 08:54.27 | tmetoo | hi all, be possible to restart a service that you can see as you start the console step by step? |
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| 08:58.10 | petn-randall | lkthomas: Have you checked the man page yet? It's documented there really well. |
| 08:58.27 | Nethox | What's every first week of sunday? |
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| 08:59.49 | petn-randall | tmetoo: You can restart most daemons with the the init script. Usually '/etc/init.d/<daemonname> restart' |
| 09:00.48 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: Sure you can. Do you have any questions about it? |
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| 09:01.00 | tmetoo | petn-randall, yes but I need to see step by step how to restart the service to see where it fails because it only takes me an error and gives little information .... |
| 09:01.00 | jpw | what's the difference between using the service command `service apache2 restart` and calling the init script directly? |
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| 09:01.58 | Girugamesh | petn-randall: yes, i want to setup a debmirror and get the packages from 2 or 3 servers parallel. |
| 09:02.02 | joltcan | jpw: if you look at /etc/init.d/apace2 you can probably see what it does, my guess is that it does the same thing |
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| 09:03.07 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: It doesn't sound like a good idea. Different mirrors most likely will be updated in different intervals, you'll just get package mismatches. |
| 09:03.23 | petn-randall | jpw: Just a matter of taste really. It's basically the same. |
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| 09:03.50 | petn-randall | tmetoo: Can you be more specific? What daemon fails? |
| 09:03.52 | Girugamesh | this is my actual script |
| 09:04.13 | Girugamesh | http://pastebin.com/Arrb9BVK |
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| 09:04.38 | Girugamesh | http://pastebin.com/Aarb9BVK |
| 09:04.42 | tmetoo | is an application called ntop, and failure to start me but I get almost no information ... |
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| 09:05.44 | petn-randall | tmetoo: If '/etc/init.d/ntop restart' only gives you 'failed' or something similar, check your logs. |
| 09:09.12 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: What are you mirroring the archive for? btw, it's > 100 GB in size. |
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| 09:10.20 | tmetoo | petn-randall, I made a "tail-f syslog & service ntop restart" and it works |
| 09:10.22 | tmetoo | thanks! |
| 09:10.41 | petn-randall | tmetoo: Nice, you're welcome :) |
| 09:10.48 | Girugamesh | I'm mirroring it for Internal Netinstalls, Updates etc. In my Company we just have a 2Mbit/s Line |
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| 09:11.37 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: The architecture all, i386 and amd64 are together 194 GB. You probably want to simply set up something like apt-cacher-ng. |
| 09:12.09 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: Otherwise you'll be syncing several GB a day of data you'll never use in your life. |
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| 09:12.45 | Girugamesh | some GB, really? |
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| 09:14.12 | Girugamesh | atm i'm running just a local squeeze mirror and it's updating some MBs per day |
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| 09:17.06 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: Wheezy is still seeing quite a few updates at the moment, even though it's in freeze. And even after it's release you'll still be copying tons of security updates for packages you're never going to install. |
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| 09:18.09 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: I've got quite a similiar set up, next to debian squeeze/wheezy we're caching several Ubuntu releases. apt-cacher-ng solved the problem for me. |
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| 09:20.39 | petn-randall | Girugamesh: Just think of an libreoffice update. It's several GB of data you'll download and store that you'll probably never use. |
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| 09:27.36 | invariant | petn-randall, is it also possible to let it try such a local mirror first and then when it fails, fall back to the official archive? |
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| 09:28.50 | petn-randall | invariant: With apt-cacher-ng you can list several mirrors in the config. It'll try them in that order until the first one is reached. |
| 09:29.11 | Girugamesh | invariant: of course, you just have to add the official mirror to your sources.list too |
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| 09:29.13 | petn-randall | invariant: The 'clients' only need to point their sources.list to the acng mirror. |
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| 09:29.54 | invariant | petn-randall, yeah, so the way I want it to work I would need multiple apt-cacher-ng installations. |
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| 09:30.02 | petn-randall | invariant: Why? |
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| 09:30.26 | invariant | petn-randall, because the machine containing apt-cacher-ng won't always be on. |
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| 09:30.58 | invariant | petn-randall, so, I want to use such a cache when the machine is up and otherwise it's too bad. |
| 09:31.32 | petn-randall | invariant: Then just list your fallback in the sources.list, apt will pick the first entry and fall back to the next if unavailable. |
| 09:31.37 | invariant | petn-randall, I do have one machine running all the time, but it's only a NAS. |
| 09:32.07 | invariant | petn-randall, it would be great if I could store debs on it such that every machine could use it. |
| 09:32.08 | petn-randall | invariant: Of course acng can't cache when it's offline, so it's use for such a set up is limited. |
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| 09:32.42 | invariant | petn-randall, e.g. mounting /var/apt... via NFS would perhaps work in that case? |
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| 09:33.19 | petn-randall | invariant: Sounds like an unnecessary complicated setup to me :/ |
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| 09:33.50 | invariant | petn-randall, you mean that I should just leave a full Debian system running all day/night long? |
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| 09:34.30 | invariant | petn-randall, hmm, I just see that I can install it also on my NAS. |
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| 09:35.19 | invariant | petn-randall, does it also work for multiple operating systems? So, some version of Ubuntu, Debian Stable, Debian Unstable, etc. |
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| 09:35.44 | petn-randall | invariant: Yes, I'm using acng to track Debian squeeze & wheezy, as well as several Ubuntu releases. |
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| 09:45.00 | Girugamesh | petn-randall: thx, will give acng a try |
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| 09:48.11 | pupil | execuse me, is there any proper repo list for wheezt? |
| 09:48.31 | pupil | i've upgrade to wheezy, and now i am using https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/ |
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| 09:50.15 | themill | pupil: eewww don't do that |
| 09:50.22 | themill | dpkg: tell pupil about wheezy sources.list |
| 09:50.36 | babilen | pupil: http://pastie.org/7696672 should be all you need (in fact it might be more, but is IMHO perfectly fine) -- The one you linked is horrible and will (depending on what you uncomment) break the system. |
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| 09:51.05 | babilen | shudders |
| 09:51.07 | pupil | it does break the system :( |
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| 09:51.17 | babilen | So, it is too late already? |
| 09:51.24 | pupil | many thanks guys :( |
| 09:51.25 | themill | tries to act surprised |
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| 09:53.10 | jpw | eew who would use that sources file. |
| 09:53.28 | pupil | i do, :( |
| 09:53.33 | petn-randall | Apparently somebody won the race to having the most repos in his sources.list! |
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| 09:53.56 | pupil | ut it's because i just installed debian 3 days ago |
| 09:53.57 | petn-randall | hands a trophy to pupil, and both pieces of his system. |
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| 09:54.09 | pupil | *but |
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| 09:54.25 | jpw | *why* a sources file should be a personal thing. no less it's a massive security risk to just blindly trust a repository. |
| 09:55.05 | pupil | of course, i did not uncomment all the lines |
| 09:55.24 | petn-randall | pupil: In general, you want to only have one release (squeeze/wheezy/sid) in your sources.list. Even if a 3rd party repo works fine, chances are it'll break when you upgrade to the next Debian release. |
| 09:56.04 | petn-randall | pupil: If you need newer software, there's debian-backports, and you only want to upgrade hand picked versions of that. |
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| 09:56.20 | pupil | well, i guess i'll use the list from babilen suggestion |
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| 09:56.52 | jpw | pubil: if you're using a freshly installed system I'd consider starting again. |
| 09:57.17 | pupil | jpw: you mean i should reinstall? |
| 09:57.21 | petn-randall | I just randomly picked to repos to check them, they were both dead. |
| 09:57.21 | jpw | yeah |
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| 09:58.18 | jpw | petn-randall: there's contact information at the top of the file to inform of dead links. |
| 09:58.26 | jpw | it's your duty. |
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| 09:59.01 | pupil | updating |
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| 10:06.37 | Haris | Hello all |
| 10:06.44 | Haris | Is there a way to upgrade mysql* to latest version on lenny |
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| 10:07.26 | ksk | Haris: why are you still using lenny? please upgrade :) |
| 10:07.31 | ChrisH | !lenny |
| 10:07.31 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 10:07.34 | ksk | !tell Haris about lenny-squeeze |
| 10:07.38 | Haris | That's ok |
| 10:07.42 | Haris | How can I upgrade mysql ? |
| 10:07.48 | Haris | that's my immediatte concern |
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| 10:07.55 | et | upgrade debian and mysql will be upgraded also |
| 10:07.56 | themill | You do so by upgrading to squeeze. |
| 10:08.24 | Haris | is it as simple as aptitude update or upgrade |
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| 10:08.42 | et | dpkg told you how to do it |
| 10:08.42 | dpkg | et: no idea |
| 10:08.43 | ksk | see what the bot told you (lenny->squeeze) |
| 10:08.43 | themill | dpkg: tell Haris about lenny->squeeze |
| 10:08.57 | themill | Haris: please read the upgrading section of the release notes |
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| 10:10.42 | supp | window stick off |
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| 10:11.32 | Haris | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 195.20.242.89 80] |
| 10:11.36 | Haris | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 10:13.07 | ksk | Haris: read what the bot told you :) |
| 10:13.23 | babilen | Haris: Support for lenny ended on the 2012-02-06, and it has been removed from the mirrors on 2012-03-25, which is why you get those errors. You have to upgrade to squeeze and, in fact, you should have done that a long time ago. We are about to reelase the /next/ version at the beginning of next month so you are even further behind. |
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| 10:13.42 | Haris | ok |
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| 10:13.54 | Haris | I read what the bot told me. Perhaps I didn't understand what was mentioned completely |
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| 10:14.11 | Haris | with volatile and backports |
| 10:14.16 | Haris | do I also remove security ? |
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| 10:14.25 | et | "change lenny to squeeze" |
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| 10:14.33 | babilen | Haris: So, please upgrade to squeeze by following its release notes. |
| 10:14.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell Haris about release notes |
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| 10:15.19 | babilen | Haris: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html in particular |
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| 10:24.19 | gypsymauro | hi, I've a problem with open-iscsi and mapper, I rescanned iscsi devices for new luns and added correctly on /dev/mapper/mpath5 the new disc, now I launch fdisc and I created a new partition, it was expected to have a new device called /dev/mapper/mpath5-part1 but it doesn't exists , any hint? |
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| 10:26.34 | Haris | do we have lenny on some archive box that I can put in sources.list, just in case |
| 10:27.37 | gypsymauro | after the reboot it works.. |
| 10:27.58 | Haris | Next you should double-check that the APT source entries (in /etc/apt/sources.list) refer either to “squeeze” or to “stable”. There should not be any sources entries pointing to lenny. |
| 10:28.02 | Haris | just read this |
| 10:28.51 | boudiccas | Haris: if you set it to 'stable' then it wil upgrade to wheezy when thats rleased next month |
| 10:29.26 | Haris | Is upgrade path from lenny to wheezy 'smooth' or is it a messy affair ? |
| 10:29.26 | nkuttler | Haris: you really shouldn't be using lenny any more |
| 10:29.47 | nkuttler | Haris: there is no path. do lenny->squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:29.54 | Haris | ok |
| 10:29.57 | boudiccas | Haris: squeeze to wheezy is smooth, dunno about lenny to squeeze |
| 10:30.02 | Haris | how do I upgrade from lenny > squeeze |
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| 10:30.08 | Haris | I'm not sure what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:30.11 | nkuttler | Haris: check the squeeze release notes |
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| 10:30.19 | boudiccas | Haris: read what you';ve already been told! |
| 10:30.19 | Haris | I am reading http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 10:32.57 | babilen | Haris: Yes, that is /exactly/ the right document. Which stepn are you having problems with. |
| 10:33.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell Haris -about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 10:33.47 | supp | scrollback clear |
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| 10:37.37 | g105b | I have VLC to stream a video file, can someone tell me where it should be streamed to in order for the OS to pick up the stream as a webcam? |
| 10:38.05 | Haris | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages 302 Moved Temporarily [IP: 46.4.205.43 80] |
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| 10:38.22 | Haris | does debian have an archive box with old versions ? |
| 10:38.30 | Haris | like archive.debian.org ? |
| 10:38.36 | Haris | which would have squeeze on it |
| 10:39.00 | Haris | I'm trying to upgrade lenny > squeeze |
| 10:39.14 | Haris | oops |
| 10:39.23 | Haris | mistake in that url |
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| 10:40.04 | Haris | http://debian.nctu.edu.tw/debian/dists/squeeze/ is there |
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| 10:43.42 | themill | (you can't use http.debian.net with lenny's apt -- once you upgrade to squeeze you can use it) |
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| 10:44.02 | boudiccas | Haris: why should squeeze be on an 'archive box'? squeeze is the current stable version of debian and has not been archived and wont be so for some time yet |
| 10:44.44 | Haris | well, its not present on the standard urls' mentioned by the dpkg /bot |
| 10:44.52 | Haris | I assumed it had been 'archived' |
| 10:45.37 | Haris | -> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" and "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 10:45.51 | Haris | -> W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages 302 Moved Temporarily [IP: 46.4.205.43 80] |
| 10:46.46 | Haris | http://debian.nctu.edu.tw/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 is present, but 'Packages' is not |
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| 10:47.25 | themill | that's not a problem |
| 10:47.47 | themill | Haris: you can't use http.debian.net while upgrading from lenny to squeeze. |
| 10:48.19 | Haris | I'm replacing it with http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 10:49.26 | Haris | same for http://security.debian.org/ ? |
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| 10:53.14 | themill | Haris: security.debian.org is fine as it is |
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| 10:54.57 | MouseTheLuckyDog | What does PreDepends mean? |
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| 10:55.30 | Girugamesh | just a question about apt-cacher-ng. in the clients sources.list i just have to enter http://acng-server:3129/de.ftp.debian.org wheezy main,contrib,non-free or whatever repo i wanna use? |
| 10:55.38 | oskie | a package is required in order to install another package |
| 10:56.19 | Haris | what is this for ? -> && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev <- |
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| 10:56.35 | MouseTheLuckyDog | oskie, how does that differ from Depends? |
| 10:56.36 | ChrisH | Girugamesh: easier is to use the apt-cacher-ng as proxy. |
| 10:56.45 | Haris | does this install new kernel or kernel for the version of debian on box before it was upgraded |
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| 10:57.19 | boudiccas | Haris: new kernel |
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| 10:57.26 | oskie | MouseTheLuckyDog: the PreDepended package provides components that are used by the post/pre installation/removal scripts in the package |
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| 10:57.34 | Haris | does this -> http://pastebin.com/NMEp72Ff <- mean upgrade is going ok ? no problems |
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| 10:57.51 | oskie | MouseTheLuckyDog: so the predependency must be completely installed first |
| 10:57.55 | boudiccas | Haris: dunno, i avoid pastebin |
| 10:58.07 | oskie | MouseTheLuckyDog: while apt can install a normal dependency at the same time |
| 10:58.14 | Haris | its output of apt-get upgrade before I press the Y button |
| 10:58.53 | MouseTheLuckyDog | oskie, I see thanks. |
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| 10:58.55 | boudiccas | Haris: upgrade? try 'dist-upgrade', its safer |
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| 10:59.05 | Haris | lol |
| 10:59.21 | apm1 | Haris, seriously use dist-upgrade |
| 10:59.34 | apm1 | apt is holding back gcc updates with upgrade |
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| 10:59.40 | apm1 | that'll break stuff |
| 10:59.45 | oskie | MouseTheLuckyDog: or actually, the exact info is here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html (# 7.2) |
| 10:59.53 | Girugamesh | then Aquire::http { Proxy "http:://acng-server:3129"; }; would be the only line i need? |
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| 11:00.25 | ChrisH | Girugamesh: the idea is correct, I am not 100% sure about the syntax :) give it a try. |
| 11:00.48 | apm1 | boudiccas, why do you avoid patebin ? |
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| 11:01.04 | nevyn | it's covered in annoying ads. |
| 11:01.10 | Girugamesh | I'm not sure eiger, but if i fails, I'll get an error |
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| 11:01.24 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Harris, yes, but I try to "apt-get install" all the kept back packages after the upgrade. |
| 11:01.27 | Haris | I'm upgrading from debian lenny -> squeeze. Its going to remove mysql-server 5.0 and install mysql-server 5.1. Do I need to dump my DBs into sql files before I perform this upgrade ? or will change of mysql-server version not hurt the databases ? |
| 11:01.43 | Haris | or their content |
| 11:01.51 | babilen | Haris: That is AFAIR discussed in the reelase notes, isn't it? |
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| 11:02.14 | boudiccas | Haris: its wise to dump, and also backup before any upgrade in versions |
| 11:02.40 | jpw | Haris: ALWAYS back up |
| 11:02.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell Haris -about mysql squeeze |
| 11:03.28 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Harris, someone who does not first dump to sql or CSV or whatever format the db provides before upgrading the db is a complete and totaly moron. |
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| 11:03.58 | Haris | well, this box is a replication slave |
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| 11:04.12 | Haris | I can dump from the master to this slave after the upgrade, also |
| 11:04.55 | Girugamesh | is there any log where i can see what acng has downloaded or is currently downloading? |
| 11:05.00 | Haris | I understand |
| 11:05.08 | MouseTheLuckyDog | ancd how long will that take compared to importing the sql. |
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| 11:05.48 | ChrisH | Girugamesh: yes. have a look at /var/log/apt-cacher-ng |
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| 11:13.12 | Haris | I don't need to touch db |
| 11:13.32 | Haris | its a replicated db. I'll need to re-dump from the master with --single-transaction to bring it back in sync with the master |
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| 11:16.25 | oskie | ll |
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| 11:16.45 | Haris | ok!. I have the dist-upgrade process set |
| 11:16.50 | Haris | I'm going to perform it tonight |
| 11:16.53 | Haris | in off-peak hours |
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| 11:32.46 | Girugamesh | how does apt-cacher handle outdated packages? |
| 11:32.56 | GabrieleV | Hello, no one uses cryptsetup with a custom keyscript under Squeeze ? The docs says that it is supported, but my custom keyscript is not copied in in the initrd in lib/crypsetup/scripts. Suggestions ? Thank you ! |
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| 11:37.04 | Kingsy | is forefox 20 in the repos? |
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| 11:37.41 | H6r6tiqu6 | I hope so |
| 11:37.42 | Kingsy | I don't want iceweasel |
| 11:37.53 | H6r6tiqu6 | I don't think so |
| 11:38.08 | Kingsy | :S |
| 11:38.19 | H6r6tiqu6 | just download the .tar.gz from their website and untar it in ~/bin/ |
| 11:38.43 | Plastico | Iceweasel is.nice :( |
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| 11:39.10 | boudiccas | harisare you going to run the upgrade unattended? if so, it does halt at various points and ask you a question and wont proceed without an answer |
| 11:39.17 | babilen | Kingsy: Why don't you want iceweasel -- Icweasel *is* Firefox |
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| 11:41.37 | Kingsy | babilen: well, we are having a problem with one of our sites and google says its a specific firefox version, so I need to build that specific version |
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| 11:41.52 | Kingsy | its saying that it cant find --> libxul.so <-- is that in some package I don't have? |
| 11:42.23 | babilen | Kingsy: Icweasel 20 is in experimental and you can get other versions from http://mozilla.debian.net -- We are simply not allowed to call the Firefox we ship Firefox, hence the change in name |
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| 11:42.35 | babilen | Kingsy: What is saying that? |
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| 11:42.57 | babilen | Kingsy: And yeah, libxul is quite a important library in the context of Iceweasel/Firefox |
| 11:43.11 | Kingsy | babilen: http://pastie.org/7697062 <-- thats what I get when I try to run ./firefox |
| 11:43.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy about why iceweasel |
| 11:43.38 | babilen | Kingsy: Well, we don't support firefox .. Ask in a mozilla/firefox channel for help with that. |
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| 11:43.58 | babilen | Kingsy: Or just use Iceweasel which will work and essentially /is/ FF |
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| 11:44.22 | Kingsy | but for testing purposes I cant say 100% it is exactly the same |
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| 11:45.19 | Kingsy | if google is saying the problem is with firefox whatever version, that is what i need to try. |
| 11:45.28 | babilen | Kingsy: Sure, I understand that, but I hope you understand our position as well. I have no idea what they ship in their tarballs ... I mean I can guess and I can make reasonable assumptions, but in the end we support iceweasel not FF |
| 11:45.36 | Kingsy | babilen: which package does libxul.so contain? |
| 11:45.47 | Kingsy | oh of course.. its no problem |
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| 11:47.20 | babilen | Kingsy: XULRunner typically ships with Firefox -- You can get it in Debian in the xulrunner-20.0 package, but that binary package is built from the firefox/iceweasel source. I would expect /them/ to ship a suitable libxul.so in their tarball ... But then, again, ask them ;) |
| 11:48.12 | babilen | Kingsy: Please note that /if/ you install xulrunner-20.0 that you are not closer to running a "pure" FF in any way ... |
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| 11:48.52 | babilen | So, either use Iceweasel and try to reproduce whatever problem you have in there (it *is* FF + different branding) or head over to a mozilla channel. |
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| 11:51.01 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 11:51.08 | cousin_luigi | Will wheezy support zram? |
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| 11:55.38 | zykotick9 | VSpike: i'm guessing your VM is lacking network... what VM software are you using? |
| 11:55.53 | VSpike | zykotick9: vmware esxi 4.x |
| 11:56.15 | VSpike | The host generally has networking as other VMs are OK |
| 11:56.29 | zykotick9 | VSpike: good luck then. i certainly can't (and wouldn't) help. |
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| 12:07.27 | jpw | VSpike: you won't look back. the ip command is awesome. |
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| 12:08.36 | jpw | VSpike: my favourite feature is the ability to set the default source address on a multi homedinterface with multiple addresses from the same subnet. ifconfig's behaviour is to just choose a random one. |
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| 12:08.58 | jpw | or a seemingly random one at least. |
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| 12:09.17 | shape | Hi, anyone here got debian chroot on their andoird devices? |
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| 12:31.52 | GabrieleV | Hello, no one uses cryptsetup with a custom keyscript under Squeeze ? The docs says that it is supported, but my custom keyscript is not copied in in the initrd in lib/crypsetup/scripts. Suggestions ? Thank you ! |
| 12:32.43 | Brigo | GabrieleV: did you exec update-initramfs? |
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| 12:37.57 | GabrieleV | Brigo, sure -u -k all. And at reboot, I receive the error that my script could not be found :-( omplains |
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| 12:42.16 | petn-randall | GabrieleV: Did you get any errors when running update-initramfs? How did you set the custom key script? |
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| 12:43.21 | GabrieleV | petn-randall, No error when updating initramfs. I put the option keyscript=/usr/local/sbin/mykeyscript.sh in crypttab |
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| 12:51.14 | Brigo | GabrieleV: a workarround could be put mykeyscript.sh in /sbin/mykeyscript.sh |
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| 12:52.04 | babilen | GabrieleV: Is your script listes if you run lsinitramfs on the /boot/initrd ? It should be in /lib/cryptsetup/script (cf. #697446) |
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| 12:52.34 | GabrieleV | Brigo, Do you think that this way it will be copied to initrd ? I don't know anything about how initrd is built ... |
| 12:52.53 | GabrieleV | babilen, yes, I wish it will be there, but it isn't :-( |
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| 12:53.21 | GabrieleV | babilen, I have only askpass :-( |
| 12:53.39 | babilen | GabrieleV: Could you show me your /etc/crypttab, the re-generation of the initramfs and the lsinitramfs output please along with your actual script at http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 12:54.43 | babilen | GabrieleV: I have no experience with this as I haven't done this before, but maybe we can spot something together. Which version of Debian is this? |
| 12:54.43 | GabrieleV | babilen, I have to ask to send the files, because the machine is not reachable from outside the lan |
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| 12:54.56 | GabrieleV | babilen, Debian Squeeze |
| 12:55.02 | babilen | Ah, okay - Who do you have to ask? |
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| 12:55.43 | petn-randall | Brigo: I doubt that'll make a difference. |
| 12:55.45 | babilen | GabrieleV: Ok, that means that we should check all the bugfixes against cryptsetup and initramfs-tools as well ... Could you try the same in wheezy or is running wheezy not an option? |
| 12:55.48 | GabrieleV | babilen, to send me the files, I can't connect to the machine to cat them |
| 12:56.05 | babilen | GabrieleV: Ah, that is a pity .. How do you work on the machine then? |
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| 12:56.32 | GabrieleV | babilen, The production machine have to run squeeze, or at least squeeze until wheezy is not stable |
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| 12:57.01 | babilen | GabrieleV: It is simply a bit hard to debug your issue ... And wait, did you actually run lsinitramfs and checked the content of /keyscript/ and/or /lib/cryptsetup/ ? |
| 12:57.01 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am running squeeze. I am using iptraf to monitor packets and I see that there is a connection to this port called microsoft-, how do I find out what port is this? |
| 12:57.03 | GabrieleV | babilen, I work on it only when I'm in the lan. Now I'm not there |
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| 12:58.00 | babilen | GabrieleV: Would it be problematic to come back with that data once you can actually connect to the box? Also note that we will release wheezy in ten days, so you could just try this with wheezy too (to see if the behaviour changes) |
| 12:58.17 | GabrieleV | babilen, I have uncompressed initrd-.... and found no script other than askpass in lib/crypsetup/scripts nor /keyscripts (deprecated) |
| 12:58.26 | babilen | GabrieleV: It's just impossible to work on the problem without actual output :-/ |
| 12:58.45 | GabrieleV | babilen, I know, this evening I will post the actual files |
| 12:59.14 | babilen | GabrieleV: Great, could you also try wheezy? I think with that data we might have a chance to debug your problem :) |
| 12:59.31 | GabrieleV | babilen, ok, I'll try on a vm |
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| 12:59.34 | petn-randall | arvind_khadri: I don't have iptraf installed, can you check the man page if there's a way to show numeric port number or define the column width? |
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| 13:00.17 | petn-randall | arvind_khadri: I'm betting it's port 445 (microsoft-ds), which is SMB/CIFS. |
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| 13:00.53 | petn-randall | arvind_khadri: You can also grep /etc/services for a list of names. There's only that port that begins with 'microsoft-'. |
| 13:01.08 | arvind_khadri | petn-randall, No, they dont have such a option. Thanks for the insight :) |
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| 13:05.19 | petn-randall | arvind_khadri: So if it's a publicly accessible machine, I'm guessing it's random malware/script kiddies trying to find windows shares. Unless you got Samba running, you can safely ignore this. |
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| 13:06.37 | arvind_khadri | petn-randall, :) Thanks |
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| 13:12.30 | petn-randall | arvind_khadri: No problem, you're welcome :) |
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| 13:13.37 | Towzzer | script monkeys |
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| 13:13.46 | litb | hello all folk |
| 13:14.17 | Towzzer | hi libt |
| 13:14.21 | Towzzer | apt-get install libt |
| 13:14.37 | litb | you'Re mean :( |
| 13:14.49 | litb | what's this /lib64 folder in my root? |
| 13:14.55 | Towzzer | please state the nature of your debian emergency |
| 13:15.00 | litb | i thought i have my 64bit libs in /lib |
| 13:15.18 | Towzzer | /usr/lib64 |
| 13:15.34 | litb | ur trolling |
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| 13:16.19 | Towzzer | Are there system links in /lib64 to /lib? |
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| 13:16.30 | Towzzer | looks like some packages use that directory so it's maintained |
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| 13:43.57 | brah | Is it possible that grub doesn't work because Debian is installed in an extended partition? |
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| 13:44.04 | brah | Not that it doesn't work, it doesn't even try to boot from it. |
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| 13:44.20 | brah | I'm using a Supergrub cd right now because I just can't get grub2 to work |
| 13:44.44 | brah | It goes straight to network boot, bios boot order configured correctly obviously |
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| 13:51.53 | grobda24 | brah: yes, the partition has to accessable at boot time, before full access to all partitions is possible |
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| 13:53.59 | Towzzer | i think you can do that if grub is installed to the primary partition |
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| 13:55.24 | brah | grobda24: What are my choices? This is my geometry http://pastebin.com/EEYRVddL |
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| 13:55.46 | brah | On another glance, Linux is NOT inside the extended partition, only the swap |
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| 13:57.00 | thoonai | hi. I need to switch off the energy governor and keep my processor running at full speed/frequency otherwise it freezes |
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| 13:58.15 | apm1 | thoonai, apt-get purge cpufrequtils |
| 13:58.24 | ChrisH | thoonai: and what is your question? |
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| 13:58.56 | apm1 | he wants to stop cpu freq. scaling |
| 13:59.18 | thoonai | ChrisH: oh forgot this part ^^ how do I fix it. tried some things but nothing worked properly |
| 13:59.22 | converge | I have a httpd server running on port 8080, and I have a domain, how can I make the user type mydomain.com and be redirect to my httpd server on 8080 port without poiting mydomain:8080 ? |
| 13:59.34 | thoonai | apm1: I'll give it a try |
| 13:59.36 | thoonai | thanks |
| 13:59.49 | anddam | I'm setting up a debian server, the config panel offers stable and wheezy, would picking wheezy now make a painless transition to 7.0 when it goes stable? |
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| 14:00.11 | ChrisH | thoonai: So you want to use frequency scaling or simply want to remove it? remove -> see apm1's answer |
| 14:00.13 | anddam | or at least would it make more sense now compared to squeeze |
| 14:00.23 | thoonai | converge: why its running on 8080? |
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| 14:00.37 | grobda24 | brah: hmmm, can't see why you would have a problem there. I suggest working carefully through the grub2 documentation and understanding how grub2 works. Sounds like you probably have a simpler problem than you think. |
| 14:01.04 | ChrisH | anddam: as it is expcted that wheeyz gets released May 4/5th, I would chosse wheezy |
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| 14:01.28 | converge | thoonai: my bandwidth provider block it |
| 14:01.32 | thoonai | ChrisH: the via c3 stops working when scaled below 800Mhz, so I need it to run permanently @ 1Ghz. |
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| 14:03.52 | anddam | ChrisH: that's what I thought |
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| 14:05.15 | thoonai | converge: not sure about this, but in your webserver configuration you may enter your domain and let it rediirect to port 8080 |
| 14:05.35 | brah | converge: Ain't gonna happen. If your provider blocks 80, you can't redirect it to 8080. |
| 14:06.45 | brah | It being port 80. There are other ways such as pointing the domain to a proxy server in another ISP and pointing that proxy server to your 8080. |
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| 14:08.15 | thoonai | apm1: I have no cpufrequtils |
| 14:08.29 | ChrisH | thoonai: then you either force to use the performance governor or remove all scaling stuff |
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| 14:09.04 | thoonai | default wheezy rc1 netinstallation |
| 14:09.06 | apm1 | thoonai, one min |
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| 14:09.26 | Towzzer | converge, are you on optimum online? |
| 14:09.30 | apm1 | thoonai, it seems unlikely that you don't have it installed |
| 14:10.03 | thoonai | as I wanted to install it, it told me about 57,7kB to get |
| 14:10.12 | converge | brah: I think this is the only thing I can do now before have a better bandwidth |
| 14:10.25 | apm1 | thoonai, i say install it then |
| 14:10.26 | converge | Towzzer: i dont think so, what's that ? |
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| 14:10.35 | Towzzer | a common isp that blocks incoming 80 |
| 14:10.36 | apm1 | thoonai, and btw what processor do you have ? |
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| 14:10.51 | thoonai | apm1: second |
| 14:10.55 | Towzzer | converge, you can host a simple website that has a redirect to your actual with :8080 |
| 14:11.01 | Towzzer | but that has to be elsewhere |
| 14:11.03 | Towzzer | however it's a good way to save bw |
| 14:11.28 | thoonai | Towzzer: good point |
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| 14:12.09 | ChrisH | thoonai: check dpkg -l | egrep -ie "scale|cpu" |
| 14:12.13 | converge | Towzzer: I think it's so bad to redirect the user just after he points to a domain, but I dont have much more options |
| 14:12.26 | Towzzer | get hosting elsewhere, hosting is very cheap these days |
| 14:12.30 | thoonai | apm1: he freezed while installing cpufrequtils T.T |
| 14:12.33 | Towzzer | go to that site where that slut advertises for them |
| 14:12.35 | apm1 | he ? |
| 14:12.38 | Towzzer | www.godaddy.com |
| 14:13.03 | thoonai | probably the machine is getting to hot |
| 14:13.06 | thoonai | :s |
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| 14:13.27 | ChrisH | thoonai: If there is a HW problem with cooling, fix that! |
| 14:13.28 | apm1 | thoonai, what is it an amd or intel ? |
| 14:13.40 | thoonai | apm1: via |
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| 14:13.59 | apm1 | has never seen a via processor in his life |
| 14:14.18 | thoonai | ChrisH: its an passivly cooled thinclient :S there should be no cooling problem |
| 14:14.33 | thoonai | ChrisH: the same box with via c7 never freezes |
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| 14:14.48 | brah | converge: Grab a free host that lets you point the DNSs for free like 000webhost.com . Point your domain to it, and make a simple index.php page that redirects to your ip:8080. If you don't like it showing your IP, you could point www.yoursite.com to the free host and some subdomain.yoursite.com to your provider, then redirect to subdomain.yoursite.com:8080 |
| 14:14.51 | thoonai | but this series is known for this bug |
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| 14:15.08 | brah | converge: Or www.yoursite.com points to free site, and yoursite.com to your provider |
| 14:15.41 | Towzzer | converge, amazon has free ec2 instances that if you use less than x a month |
| 14:15.45 | Towzzer | you can host sites on them |
| 14:15.59 | Towzzer | however you'd have to pay a little for a static ip |
| 14:17.05 | converge | Im too proud of my freedom on a personal server to use another server |
| 14:17.20 | Towzzer | ok tea party |
| 14:17.34 | converge | I'll take a look on some better link |
| 14:17.51 | ChrisH | thoonai: if its known for this problem. then I would expect to find some idea on how to w/a using google. |
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| 14:18.23 | thoonai | ChrisH: already done, nothing working |
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| 14:20.21 | thoonai | it works somehow with opensuse 12.1 |
| 14:20.38 | ChrisH | thoonai: man cpufreq-set serach for -f this should fix your issue. create a start script and put these commands into incl. sanity check to have the correct govenor loaded |
| 14:20.46 | thoonai | but im not really interested to install that on a wireless access point :s |
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| 14:22.53 | thoonai | apm1: ChrisH http://paste.ubuntu.com/5592688/ |
| 14:23.20 | apm1 | you must love orange and brown |
| 14:23.38 | thoonai | apm1: o.O? |
| 14:24.00 | apm1 | thats a cheap shot at using a *buntu pastebin |
| 14:24.22 | apm1 | and i have 0 experience with via processors |
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| 14:24.39 | apm1 | so i can't help you sorry |
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| 14:25.05 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a way to list passwords that are close to expiring (with chage or something)? |
| 14:25.30 | thoonai | apm1: I'm not an ubuntu fanatic, just using it on my desktop :P for serious issues I use debian :D |
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| 14:25.48 | apm1 | thoonai, thats a sin here XD |
| 14:25.55 | apm1 | we are debian purists here |
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| 14:26.28 | ChrisH | thoonai: I still did not understand what you want from us. Suggestions like using cpufreq-set get refused. So then find out where the currently used govenor comes from and remove that package. |
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| 14:26.37 | thoonai | apm1: then I have to take my red hat and leave :( I'm sorry |
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| 14:26.59 | thoonai | ChrisH: I'm sorry, im not ignoring it :s |
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| 14:30.32 | ChrisH | thoonai: cpufreqd might be another option. |
| 14:30.44 | thoonai | got another error |
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| 14:31.06 | thoonai | database /var/lib/apt/listchanges.de failed to load |
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| 14:33.00 | thoonai | and the keyboard doesnt react anymore |
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| 14:33.18 | thoonai | it freezed again |
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| 14:36.08 | ChrisH | thoonai: installation broken? |
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| 14:37.19 | thoonai | ChrisH: the cpufrequtils installation was stopped by the freezing system, the debian installation worked fine |
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| 14:38.38 | tharkun | I need to get rid of pulseaudio and install alsa on its place, I'm using gnome how can I achieve this? |
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| 14:40.29 | babilen | tharkun: Just remove/purge pulseaudio -- it works on top of also, so you have alsa already |
| 14:40.37 | babilen | s/also/alsa |
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| 14:44.22 | thoonai | its somehow broken |
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| 14:47.34 | thoonai | ChrisH: thanks |
| 14:47.53 | thoonai | ChrisH: seems that the system itself is broken |
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| 14:50.47 | jhutchins_wk | thoonai: Seems a shame that all these thousands of people using it don't know it's broken. |
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| 14:51.14 | thoonai | jhutchins_wk: ? |
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| 14:51.54 | thoonai | jhutchins_wk: the os on my box seems broken, what do you intedn with this attack? o.o |
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| 14:57.45 | jhutchins_wk | thoonai: Are you using the stable release? |
| 14:58.05 | thoonai | jhutchins_wk: Im using wheezy rc1 |
| 14:58.18 | thoonai | and the hardware is really old |
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| 15:08.09 | converge | what's the kernel module to use more than 3.2gb memory on a 32bits system ? |
| 15:08.26 | zinx | there isn't one, install a PAE capable kernel |
| 15:08.42 | zinx | linux-image-686-pae or similar |
| 15:08.46 | babilen | converge: You simply need a -bigmem kernel on squeeze -- all 686 kernels on wheezy are PAW |
| 15:08.49 | babilen | PAE |
| 15:09.01 | babilen | dpkg: 686-pae |
| 15:09.01 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-bigmem flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
| 15:09.21 | converge | thanks |
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| 15:10.00 | zinx | (note that if you have that much memory, you probably have a PAE capable processor that's also at least 686 era) |
| 15:10.38 | zinx | grep ^flags /proc/cpuinfo will tell you for sure :) |
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| 15:11.28 | zinx | you might consider running a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace too, if you have a 64-bit processor |
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| 15:14.05 | zinx | converge: just looked to verify my suspicions - using a 64-bit kernel is significantly faster than 32bit/32bit+PAE :/ |
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| 15:15.25 | nully | Be aware: running a 32bit luserspace with a 64bit kernel can lead to some strange bugs... There is nasty open-iscsi one i ran into last summer :/ but eh, it was patchable. |
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| 15:16.28 | zinx | nully: hopefully those are not plentiful - they're indeed bugs that will be fixed if reported |
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| 15:17.30 | nully | zinx: the open-iscsi one has been open since 2008 they rejected my patch due to ... accually they didnt list why i have to poke them to accept it again... |
| 15:17.48 | nully | 64/32bit bugs in kernel space can sometimes be hard to get patched, as no one wants to `break the already broken ABI of the kernel' |
| 15:18.06 | nully | they'd rather have broken code, that stays broken forever.... And do workarounds :/ |
| 15:18.27 | nully | because fixing a broken ABI breaks `vendors who use the broken parts' |
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| 15:19.43 | zinx | nully: heh, annoying |
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| 15:20.07 | nully | Accually you reminded me, i'm going to raise hell on the mailing lists now |
| 15:20.10 | nully | zinx: danky |
| 15:20.38 | zinx | nully: i posted a pretty simple patch to wxwindows for win95 support when it was still wxwindows, all it did was not access some parts that didn't exist on win95, still not accepted :P |
| 15:20.40 | anddam | thanks, bye |
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| 15:21.37 | nully | zinx: Sometimes you have to be loud and annoying... Because uusaly they reject patches with `knee jerk' reactions as you are an outsider... |
| 15:21.46 | nully | I find once they read the code in question, a lot of that melts away... |
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| 15:21.54 | nully | but it takes a lot of yelling to get them to read it |
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| 15:39.28 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Is there a way to generate a list of packages that do not depend on other packages? |
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| 15:39.51 | zinx | MouseTheLuckyDog: deborphan? |
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| 15:40.53 | MouseTheLuckyDog | zinx: AFAIK deborphan does just the opposite. It generates lists of packages that other packages do not depend on. |
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| 15:43.51 | pupil | excuse me, i tried to register in http://forums.debian.net/ucp.php?mode=register |
| 15:44.02 | pupil | but they think i was a spam |
| 15:44.15 | pupil | but definately i'm not |
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| 15:45.06 | zinx | MouseTheLuckyDog: ah, i see |
| 15:45.51 | zinx | MouseTheLuckyDog: i'm sure there's a way, but it may involve scanning the package database yourself (there are APIs to do so) |
| 15:45.53 | bolt | Using Debian Wheezy (kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae) on an Asus Maximus Gene motherboard (intel chipset), the USB ports do not turn off when I shut down the machine from Debian. This makes the card reader get stuck and not function correctly after a cold restart. Powering down the same machine from Windows 7, the power light on the card reader goes off, and the reader works after booting again. Is this a known issue? |
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| 15:51.16 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: Probably not, the sample size for that specific motherboard is too small. |
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| 15:51.29 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: First thing to check for is a BIOS update. |
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| 15:51.43 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 15:51.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
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| 15:57.20 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: ah. there was indeed a bios for the gene v released a month ago. i'll give that one a shot. didn't think it would affect it since shutdown works for windows, but that might be due to dark magic from the chipset specific drivers, i guess |
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| 15:57.50 | jhutchins_wk | Yep. Or something that's broken in Windows. |
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| 15:59.39 | tharkun | babilen: Thanks I blew pulseaudio, alsa, everything I could imagine to have no beep on this system and when I reboot or shutdown this terrible beep sounds. It is driving me nuts. I found that pulseaudio/alsa is using a default card instead of the one provided by the system, how can I fix it? |
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| 16:04.09 | sasha- | Hiya. Just wondering, can I kill the x server and access my box via VNC? |
| 16:04.15 | sasha- | or does the x server have to run? |
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| 16:09.28 | jhutchins_wk | sasha-: Not sure, it might depend on which VNC server you use. |
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| 16:09.36 | sasha- | tightvncserver |
| 16:09.44 | tharkun | abrotman: Found the isue about the bloody bell, pulseaudio or whoever controls the sound is pulling a default sound card instead of using the hardware piece of crap (yes this is a dell notebook) when the apropiate card is used sanity comes back. |
| 16:09.49 | jhutchins_wk | sasha-: It is possible to completely forward the X session to a remote server. |
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| 16:10.07 | tharkun | Now I need to make puseaudio/alsamixer select the correct card |
| 16:10.25 | sasha- | well it's fine, it works now ;) |
| 16:10.35 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: Are you sure it's worth messing with PA? |
| 16:10.37 | sasha- | the issue that I have is that I get this error: |
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| 16:11.09 | sasha- | Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1 |
| 16:11.20 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: Yes it is indeed insane this amount of noise PA generates |
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| 16:11.48 | mebus | Hallo! In my debian squeeze I have only one old kernel in my grub menu, but installed several more kernels, that don't show up there. How can I upgrade my grub? |
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| 16:14.36 | jhutchins_wk | mebus: Are you sure? Kernel updates do not always require a new entry. |
| 16:14.57 | mebus | I ran grub install. |
| 16:15.03 | jhutchins_wk | mebus: Unlike other distros Debian does update existing kernels rather than always installing a new one. |
| 16:15.16 | jhutchins_wk | mebus: You want grub-update |
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| 16:15.56 | jhutchins_wk | mebus: Or rather update-grub |
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| 16:17.54 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: that might have done it, actually. the light now turns off and the card reader works after booting into windows after being in debian |
| 16:17.56 | mebus | update-grub didn't help |
| 16:18.01 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: thanks :) |
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| 16:19.41 | jhutchins_wk | Cool! |
| 16:19.58 | jhutchins_wk | mebus: Look in /boot and see if you actually have other kernels that grub doesn't see. |
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| 16:24.18 | mebus | It is working now. |
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| 16:38.00 | H6r6tiqu6 | format_c: o/ |
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| 16:38.38 | MEMMYBOY89 | http://russianteenmoviedownload.blogspot.com/2013/04/russian-schoolgirls-anal-lessons.html |
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| 16:39.36 | nipsy | Hmm, should I go ahead and click on that? |
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| 16:40.02 | et | likely malware |
| 16:40.02 | H6r6tiqu6 | nope |
| 16:40.05 | jparkton | LOL |
| 16:40.26 | invariant | et, I bet there are a lot of security "researchers" here. |
| 16:40.52 | nipsy | And by that, do you mean they'll research the security of your machine for you? :) |
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| 16:41.32 | invariant | If you run a hardened environment (love the puns), then they would be doing free work for you. |
| 16:41.47 | invariant | You can always just store all the bits that go over the wire. |
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| 16:42.07 | nipsy | A honeypot, if you will? |
| 16:42.35 | invariant | nipsy, yes, but what I don't get is why not all systems are GR enabled by default. |
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| 16:43.05 | invariant | We already know pretty much 100% sure that we are running on Swiss cheese. |
| 16:43.23 | nipsy | Same reason people tend to disable SELinux? |
| 16:43.45 | invariant | nipsy, people disable SELinux because software developers don't fix their software in the first place. |
| 16:43.55 | invariant | nipsy, you shouldn't blame the users. |
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| 16:44.24 | nipsy | But I'm sure you'll agree that even if everything works, it's not exactly the most straightforward thing in the world to configure. |
| 16:44.44 | nipsy | Which isn't to excuse laziness. |
| 16:45.18 | jpw | nipsy: s/laziness/ignorance/ |
| 16:45.41 | jpw | its hard to prevent something if you don't know what you are trying to prevent |
| 16:46.03 | nipsy | I think you just (unfortunately) described the overwhelming majority of "IT" people. |
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| 16:47.06 | jpw | nipsy: sure, it's unfortunate but you can't teach experience. |
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| 16:47.13 | invariant | Yes, the reason everything sucks is that the majority of people are ignorant. |
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| 16:47.38 | invariant | You are free to read 'everything sucks' as 'could be a lot better'. |
| 16:48.01 | jpw | respects invariant's optimism :) |
| 16:48.16 | invariant | jpw, it was more to avoid a discussion regarding wording. |
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| 16:55.04 | unkmar | so.. Who needs a good wacking over the head. I gotta copy paste to pastebin until I move to wheezy? pastebinit isn't working. Says something about a new API. :( |
| 16:55.19 | Towzzer | hi unkmar |
| 16:55.59 | unkmar | Hello Towzzer. Have a good weekend? Mine was great. Spent time with my oldest nephew playing video games and got a new to me car. |
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| 16:57.15 | LtL | unkmar: /msg dpkg pastebinit config |
| 16:57.31 | Towzzer | nice :D |
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| 16:57.48 | Towzzer | but you shouldn't speak off topic, if you do you might get the hose again. Now put the lotion in the fucking basket |
| 16:57.54 | H6r6tiqu6 | hey, very funny, in #crunchbang-fr they also have problems with pastebinit x) |
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| 17:21.17 | abrotman | tharkun: that's fun |
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| 17:28.06 | tharkun | abrotman: Can you do me a favour. Run Alsamixer on a terminal and press s it should prompt you with a menu to select and Audio Card. Can you tell me if your system displays - (default) and the next line 0 You Sound Card here |
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| 17:34.08 | msn | I am trying to create a local mirror using apt-mirror and getting the following errors. |
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| 17:35.00 | msn | I am trying to create a local mirror using apt-mirror and getting the following errors. http://pastie.org/7698461 |
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| 17:35.21 | msn | if i remove deb-i386 the errors go through the roof |
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| 17:50.41 | MrGeneral | Hi, anyway to get latest lsyncd |
| 17:50.45 | MrGeneral | without compiling it manually? |
| 17:50.50 | MrGeneral | id' need to install lots of things |
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| 17:51.53 | petn-randall | MrGeneral: And you need the latest and greatest version because ... ? |
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| 17:54.14 | MrGeneral | petn-randall, new config file format |
| 17:54.16 | MrGeneral | and the current one |
| 17:54.18 | MrGeneral | is very old |
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| 17:55.35 | petn-randall | MrGeneral: if you can live with the version Debian ships you won't get around compiling. Either backporting the package or building from source. |
| 17:55.40 | petn-randall | *can't |
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| 17:57.43 | MrGeneral | ok |
| 17:57.44 | MrGeneral | ty |
| 17:57.45 | MrGeneral | lol |
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| 17:58.33 | petn-randall | MrGeneral: Though for me 'new config file format' isn't the killer feature I'd start compiling sources for ... :) |
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| 18:05.20 | msn | i would actually not get a new version if a file format changes unless I have to, |
| 18:05.30 | msn | kinda of beats the use of "upgrade" |
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| 18:07.38 | MrGeneral | petn-randall, heh |
| 18:07.42 | MrGeneral | I need new version tho |
| 18:07.43 | MrGeneral | :) |
| 18:08.17 | petn-randall | MrGeneral: Then you didn't fully answer my question of why you need a new version. |
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| 18:13.18 | MrGeneral | petn-randall, no need to. |
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| 18:13.23 | MrGeneral | If new versions are released |
| 18:13.29 | MrGeneral | there's something new, or fixed |
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| 18:13.44 | MrGeneral | would you keep your nginx version |
| 18:13.48 | MrGeneral | forever the same? |
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| 18:13.54 | petn-randall | ... or more bugs. |
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| 18:13.59 | haylo | is there a default for debootstraps --variant= so that i can script it a bit more easily? |
| 18:14.02 | MrGeneral | :) |
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| 18:14.29 | petn-randall | MrGeneral: You know there *IS* a reason distros don't ship just the bleeding edge version of everything, right? |
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| 18:19.02 | thoonai1 | petn-randall: I proof you wrong: archlinux :D |
| 18:19.04 | thoonai1 | xD |
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| 18:19.32 | petn-randall | thoonai1: Even Arch doesn't ship the bleeding edge of everything ... |
| 18:19.47 | thoonai1 | petn-randall: was a bad joke :) |
| 18:19.50 | petn-randall | It would be unusable otherwise. |
| 18:20.01 | thoonai1 | it is |
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| 18:20.21 | drasko | which image should be taken for installing Testing via USB ? |
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| 18:21.30 | mhall | Has anyone run into a strange problem with screen corruption (blue lines cycling through screen, screen blanking when changing between Firefox and console windows, not reliably waking from DPM sleep) on unstable with recent 3.X kernels, latest X packages, and Intel HD Graphics on mobo? Problem does not appear in monitor's own menu system, or in text console, so I think it's got to be related to X or to mode-switch. |
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| 18:23.41 | msn | mhall: you caused linux to bsod congrats |
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| 18:26.52 | mhall | msn: Not quite |
| 18:27.01 | mhall | msn: But definitely along those lines |
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| 18:27.15 | mhall | msn: It's really hosing me up, it's my main PC |
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| 18:27.36 | mhall | Right now building very latest stable Linux 3.8 to see if this will help |
| 18:27.56 | mhall | I think problem is likely X because I still see it with old 3.4, new 3.4, and 3.6 |
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| 18:28.01 | msn | mhall: using unstable on your main pc is kinda unreliable |
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| 18:28.12 | mhall | msn: 99% of the time, it works every time! :-D |
| 18:28.29 | mhall | msn: I have used Debian since '97 and most times I was able to keep it going OK |
| 18:28.30 | msn | i tried it for a while works great and all, but when it breaks, well you are stuck |
| 18:28.38 | mhall | Only 2-3 times did it really go to hell for me |
| 18:29.00 | msn | same, but it was my work pc which went down so i decided to stick to testing |
| 18:29.04 | jhutchins_wk | I had that problem on an intel chipset trying to do 1440x1080. Needed a BIOS update and still had artifacts, so I just dialed back the resolution until it was stable. |
| 18:29.18 | mhall | jhutchins_wk: Hmm, quite interesting |
| 18:29.26 | jhutchins_wk | mhall: It was a conflict between the resolution of my monitor and the chipset. |
| 18:29.30 | mhall | I will look for BIOS update as well ans see if it can help |
| 18:29.44 | mhall | The weird part was, for a long time it did work OK with no malfunction |
| 18:29.49 | msn | try reducing resolution first? |
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| 18:30.01 | mhall | It's LCD panel |
| 18:30.12 | mhall | So it'd look really blurry if I did that, hehe |
| 18:30.25 | msn | yeah good ole days of CRTs |
| 18:30.38 | mhall | Yeah there are some cases where they are way better |
| 18:30.41 | mhall | That is one such case |
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| 18:31.57 | mhall | jhutchins_wk: Did the problem always occur from the beginning, was it intermittent or continuous, etc.? |
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| 18:34.02 | mhall | OK, rebooting with fresh kernel |
| 18:34.11 | msn | even testing has issues, my krunner been dead for 2 weeks now |
| 18:34.46 | msn | either that or i need to clear my profile and retry |
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| 18:47.15 | jhutchins_wk | mhall119: It would sometimes display clean, but then start throwing artifacts if you changed windows, or moved the mouse or something. |
| 18:47.22 | harrison | I must speak to a kernel developer for siduction. I have used sidux/aptosid/siducrtion for most of the last decade and am very reluctant to install another distro: but there is a bug which is either introduced in the siduction kernel mods or in the debian unstable kernel |
| 18:47.22 | harrison | To wit: As the recommended function 'posix_memalign()' didn't work on your (and at |
| 18:47.22 | harrison | least one other) Linux system it gets mapped to the obsoleted function 'valloc()' |
| 18:47.22 | harrison | in case of LinuxAos (See <aosrep>/unixAos/buildtools/aos.c). Now in your system |
| 18:47.22 | harrison | glibc rejects to release a no longer needed heap block allocated by valloc(). I have |
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| 18:48.06 | MrGeneral | petn-randall, yes :) |
| 18:48.18 | jhutchins_wk | If you're gonna post an essay use the list. |
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| 18:54.24 | Hiryu__ | hello, I need to run my own apt repo. Is there any repo software that allows you to have multiple versions of the same package? |
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| 18:55.37 | rryoumaa | nix can but it is not signed and not debian |
| 18:56.31 | harrison | Is this a kernel bug? |
| 18:56.33 | harrison | http://pastebin.com/dFp1QQDg |
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| 18:56.51 | ompaul | !siduction |
| 18:56.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, siduction is a distribution that is <based on Debian> sid. It is not supported in #debian. Try #siduction on irc.oftc.net. http://siduction.org/ |
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| 18:58.17 | ompaul | harrison: I fear you are on not only the wrong network, but the wrong channel. |
| 18:58.46 | Hiryu__ | actually I think I've found the answer |
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| 18:59.35 | harrison | No: because I suspect that the error was introduced not in siduction but upstream, possibly by the linux kernel devs |
| 18:59.48 | ompaul | harrison: then it is not a debian issue either |
| 18:59.58 | ompaul | harrison: go to your distro channel and start there |
| 18:59.58 | harrison | touche |
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| 19:03.47 | harrison | ompaul: you were even more correct in your fear than i thought -- it seems that siduction is based on debian but uses a vanilla kernel -- making my presence here a grotesque imposition from the start |
| 19:04.02 | harrison | i writhe before you in shame |
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| 19:04.32 | ompaul | harrison: happy writhing |
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| 19:04.59 | harrison | reeling and writhing and writhmetic |
| 19:05.20 | ompaul | why has my urge to live just left me ... |
| 19:05.29 | ompaul | harrison: bad harrison |
| 19:05.51 | ompaul | goes back to doing something more constructive |
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| 19:07.19 | unkmar | I'm installing debian to a usb drive and it is a the "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" screen. Install to master boot record. Will that on the USB drive? cause I don't want to break my current linux install. |
| 19:07.22 | harrison | the urgettoliveleaving comment -- |
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| 19:07.29 | harrison | yeah, i get that a lot |
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| 19:23.37 | jhutchins_wk | You want to tell it to install to the MBR of the USB drive. |
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| 19:27.32 | SARC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.54 | Towzzer | SARC, I thought it gets generated on install |
| 19:31.58 | Towzzer | or boot |
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| 19:35.27 | jhutchins_wk | I think I've seen it update on network restart. |
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| 19:36.55 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 19:37.22 | MaxFrames | with the imminent release of v7, how long will v6 be supported i.e. get updates? |
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| 19:38.40 | tremon | MaxFrames: it's typically 1 year |
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| 19:38.57 | MaxFrames | ok so there's time :P |
| 19:39.12 | Tramp | security support, that is afaik |
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| 19:40.12 | tremon | yes, security support. But stable doesn't receive any feature updates anyway |
| 19:41.16 | Tramp | tremon: right, but also "critical bugs" are fixed. Not sure about that part (if those are not security related) |
| 19:41.53 | dondelelcaro | in general, oldstable tends to only get security fixes |
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| 19:42.20 | dondelelcaro | but I suppose if a serious enough bug was found, it could also be fixed... it's just not as much of a priority |
| 19:42.25 | tremon | one might hope that there aren't any critical bugs left after two years of being stable :) |
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| 19:42.33 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 19:42.40 | dondelelcaro | tremon: or at least, not new ones |
| 19:42.58 | tremon | thx for the clarification |
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| 19:43.39 | Klaus_Dieter | I did install sysvinit-rc and sysvinit and since then my system will not boot any more. if I start with init=/bin/sh I can manually mount proc, then start udev, then start all the rest |
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| 19:43.52 | Klaus_Dieter | but I guess somehow the init system is screwed up |
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| 19:43.59 | Klaus_Dieter | is there an easy way of fixing this? |
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| 19:45.42 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: it really depends on why it's not booting. you're already way past "easy" with /bin/sh :) |
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| 19:46.08 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: well at least that gives me a shell so I can do stuff with it ;) |
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| 19:46.27 | Klaus_Dieter | now I can reclaim the system I just have no idea how |
| 19:47.09 | jhutchins_wk | There hasn't been a lot of activity on squeeze since wheezy froze. |
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| 19:48.31 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: if all you're doing is mounting /proc, starting udev and then exec init, that implies one of the early boot scripts is missing or failing. But there is no easy way (for us) to tell which, you'll have to do some digging yourself |
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| 19:49.33 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: digging is fine as long as I have an idea where to look |
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| 19:49.41 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: that actually gives me a clue... |
| 19:49.46 | unkmar | welp. Now I likely get to FIX my messed up grub. :( |
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| 19:50.05 | tremon | you'll need to watch the boot output, and see what output is given and where it stops |
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| 19:50.40 | unkmar | I have work to do. Can't wait all day for a response so.. If don't get one, I gotta do something. |
| 19:51.06 | tremon | then you can check /etc/init.d/rc2.d (or rcS.d) for scripts that should be running next or before that |
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| 19:51.44 | tremon | also, be aware that squeeze uses dependency-based boot sequencing so the sequence numbers are indicative only |
| 19:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: I answered your question. WE have other things to do as well, we're just fellow users. |
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| 19:52.22 | haylo | init is supposed to poin to an init script Klaus_Dieter , perhaps try booting it with some different kernel parameters, like in recovery mode |
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| 19:52.39 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: You want to tell it to install to the MBR of the USB drive. (I see I didn't use your nick.) |
| 19:53.04 | haylo | if you have running shell as the initial process, you are going ot have to do everything manually, but i htink there is an exec command inside of the initrd, of you need to start it back up |
| 19:53.25 | unkmar | jhutchins_wk: you didn't tag my name so I missed it. :( and it didn't ecactly give me an option of WHICH MBR. :( |
| 19:54.21 | haylo | exec /bin/init ... or something like this, should start the booting process again, once you have figured out the issue |
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| 19:55.08 | Klaus_Dieter | !nopaste |
| 19:55.09 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 19:55.10 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm |
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| 19:55.41 | confusid | is there an emerald package in debian? |
| 19:56.26 | tremon | confusid: no |
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| 19:59.29 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: this is the bootlog |
| 19:59.30 | Klaus_Dieter | http://nopaste.info/bfd8f75853.html |
| 19:59.45 | Klaus_Dieter | when alsa starts the serial console hangs itself due to massive output but this is a different issue I believe |
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| 20:00.44 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: when I edit a script in /etc/init.d do I have to re-create a dependency tree somewhere? |
| 20:00.50 | Klaus_Dieter | or is this done automatically? |
| 20:01.06 | Klaus_Dieter | because I beliefe that the problem is udev starting without mountkernfs.sh |
| 20:01.14 | Klaus_Dieter | and that is why udev fails |
| 20:01.19 | tremon | it's done through insserv, don't know the exact parameters |
| 20:01.20 | Klaus_Dieter | which is why all the rest goes haywire |
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| 20:01.50 | tremon | but if you edit the script but not the dependency headers, there's no need to regenerate anything |
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| 20:02.29 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: would you be so kind to check what is the dependency for udev on your system? |
| 20:03.14 | tremon | Required-Start: mountkernfs, Default-Start: S for udev |
| 20:03.28 | Klaus_Dieter | aha |
| 20:03.33 | Klaus_Dieter | that was missing |
| 20:03.36 | tremon | Required-Start: udev $local_fs, Default-Start: S for udev-mtab |
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| 20:05.11 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: and mountkernfs is that called mountkernfs.sh on your system or mountkernfs? |
| 20:05.39 | tremon | I suggest you also do apt-get --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options="--force-confask" reinstall udev, and review all config changes |
| 20:05.58 | tremon | hopes he remembered the syntax correctly |
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| 20:06.16 | tremon | it's mountkernfs.sh |
| 20:06.31 | tremon | but note that I'm on wheezy here |
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| 20:07.20 | Klaus_Dieter | I am confused because some files in there have the suffix .sh and some do not |
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| 20:07.42 | tremon | I also don't have /lib/udev/ifplugd.agent, that's part of ifplugd. maybe you removed it but haven't purged it? |
| 20:09.06 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: can you post insserv -s please? |
| 20:09.07 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: most service/daemon start scripts are without .sh. The non-service scripts that only trigger during boot are .sh |
| 20:09.17 | tremon | but there's no hard rule for that |
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| 20:11.31 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: http://nopaste.info/ba0c127b5a.html -- but again, this is a wheezy system |
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| 20:12.42 | Klaus_Dieter | so if I run service udev start with nothing mounted, should it pull in mountkern.sh automatically? |
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| 20:13.02 | cirrus] | hi |
| 20:13.20 | tremon | I think not, the dependency information is only used during boot, not for manual service starts |
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| 20:13.23 | tremon | but I could be wrong |
| 20:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: I think it's used. |
| 20:13.56 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: I think it still checks to see if preceeding services are running if you try to start something. |
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| 20:14.16 | tremon | good :) |
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| 20:16.42 | jhutchins_wk | I've never seen one fail, so I'm not sure what it does if something's missing... |
| 20:17.00 | jhutchins_wk | wait, yes I have, DHCP, just failed to start because networking wasn't up. dhcpd. |
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| 20:18.05 | Klaus_Dieter | jhutchins_wk: apparently no - service udev-mtab start should pull in udev but it isn't |
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| 20:18.23 | Dr_Cool | hi, I was wondering if I can have a "custom"/etc in my home folder ==> /home/webserver/etc/ which woud contain all my specific configuration ? |
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| 20:20.06 | Dr_Cool | I've recently f***ed my config and had to reinstall everything, it would have been much easier to get the earlier settings if they were all in the webserver user directory.. |
| 20:20.09 | tremon | Dr_Cool: you can, but it's usually ~/.config -- read up on XDG_CONFIG_HOME and the xdg spec |
| 20:20.39 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: can you tell me, what stop-bootlogd depends on? |
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| 20:20.47 | Klaus_Dieter | in my insserv log I can find: insserv: Starting stop-bootlogd depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
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| 20:21.24 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: I don't have stop-bootlogd |
| 20:21.55 | tremon | use dpkg -S $file to check if the file is owned by a package (possibly bootlogd, which I don't use) |
| 20:22.34 | Dr_Cool | Klaus_Dieter : ok, so your saying ~/.config files will overide /etc/ files ? (simply put : ~/.config ==> /etc ) |
| 20:22.37 | Klaus_Dieter | it belongs to initscripts |
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| 20:22.51 | Klaus_Dieter | initscripts: /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd |
| 20:23.13 | Dr_Cool | sorry *tremon |
| 20:23.20 | Klaus_Dieter | maybe I should remove that package |
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| 20:23.43 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: ok, then they removed it in wheezy. I would strongly advise against removing the initscripts package |
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| 20:24.32 | tremon | Dr_Cool: no, I though you meant user configuration files. If you need to configure apache, you can use apache's include directives |
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| 20:24.50 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: yeah I can see why. this breakage is due to a half system upgrade apparently |
| 20:24.56 | pompomi | hi, is there any channell you talk of anything you want ? |
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| 20:25.13 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: I did upgrade selective packages that must have created a situation that is hard to resolve if at all |
| 20:25.14 | tremon | pompomi: #defocus usually, or #debian-offtopic |
| 20:25.30 | Klaus_Dieter | I probably have to get everything on a current basis |
| 20:25.34 | Klaus_Dieter | and then this should go away |
| 20:25.36 | tremon | Dr_Cool: most programs have ways to change the configuration location, but it depends on the program how to do that |
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| 20:25.47 | pompomi | thanks tremon i feel bored, that's the reason why ;- ) |
| 20:25.54 | tremon | ah, a frankendebian :) |
| 20:26.14 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: yup! |
| 20:26.22 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: this is my router so I am scared to update things |
| 20:26.30 | Dr_Cool | tremon: ok thanks, so no automatic directory override for /etc |
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| 20:27.05 | Klaus_Dieter | but since it is difficult to break the system even more (and since I have backup of all my data and config files) I might as well go all the way now and get this to an up-to-date state |
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| 20:27.26 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: also I did change boot services a lot fomr rc.local |
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| 20:27.34 | tremon | Dr_Cool: no easy solution, no. You can use chroot jails or lxc containers, but they do require a lot of thought to set up |
| 20:27.56 | Dr_Cool | thanks for your insight |
| 20:28.05 | Klaus_Dieter | for setting up a complex network infrastructure including bridges, policy routing, firewall etc so I guess that is part of the problem |
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| 20:28.27 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: yes, completing an upgrade is almost always easier than trying to revert it. Also because debian doesn't support downgrades :) |
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| 20:29.38 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy? |
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| 20:37.53 | enyc | Hrrm |
| 20:38.03 | enyc | packages.debian.org seems to be stuck, old data etc. |
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| 20:39.46 | Darxus | I just booted off debian-live-6.0.7-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso, set up an lvm on a software raid, configured it to be mounted as root (all one partition). Grub install failed. Lilo install failed. Said the command to do the install failed. Any ideas? |
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| 20:40.11 | enyc | at least' clicking the "debian changelog" button on the packages.debian.org website for packages often fails! |
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| 20:40.20 | Darxus | # grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda |
| 20:40.33 | Darxus | Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/vg1-root failed. |
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| 20:40.54 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I am trying to find out if a Broadcom BCM54610 network chip needs additional packages installed for firmware to get it operational. Its wired, not wireless. I have squeeze installed with no gui. |
| 20:41.01 | tremon | Darxus: does /dev/mapper/vg1-root exist? |
| 20:41.24 | Darxus | tremon: Yes, it's the lvm device mounted as /mnt |
| 20:41.33 | LinuxGuy2020 | Or do I need to run a command to turn it on or something? |
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| 20:41.59 | socomm | LinuxGuy2020: wat google says? |
| 20:42.04 | tremon | LinuxGuy2020: find the pci id with lspci -nn |
| 20:42.33 | tremon | Darxus: ok, there goes my easy fix :) |
| 20:42.36 | enyc | LinuxGuy2020: good question =) ... do any ethernet devices appear in 'ifconfig' ... as others say.. lspci -nn =) look it up ... |
| 20:42.39 | Darxus | "The GRUB-2 boot loader provided is version 1.98, which supports md level 1, 5, 6 as boot devices"... I'm trying to use raid 0. Does this not work with raid 0? |
| 20:42.51 | tremon | Darxus: what filesystem is it? regular ext4? |
| 20:43.20 | enyc | Darxus: hrrm raid0 is not raid really.. not redundant =) i thought... |
| 20:43.22 | Darxus | tremon: Yes. |
| 20:43.32 | Darxus | enyc: Correct, but not relevant :) |
| 20:43.34 | tremon | Darxus: if it is, the error message is rather cryptic. It complains about the filesystem on top of lvm, not the md under it |
| 20:44.01 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: regarding tremon's pciid request - it'll look something like [168c:001c] if you are unfamiliar. |
| 20:44.06 | enyc | Darxus: you may want to setup a separate /boot partition and then use the lvm for root =) |
| 20:44.17 | Darxus | enyc: Yeah, that's what I'm trying not to do :) |
| 20:44.31 | Darxus | I had this working on the machines I'm replacing, which I set up years ago. |
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| 20:44.34 | tremon | are /proc and /sys mounted? both on the running system and inside /mnt (assuming you're using a chroot command)? |
| 20:44.44 | enyc | Darxus: using grub-legacy? |
| 20:45.01 | tremon | Darxus: did you use mbr partitioning (legacy) or gpt? |
| 20:45.09 | Darxus | tremon: /proc and /sys are mounted, I'm not using chroot. |
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| 20:45.12 | Darxus | enyc: No, grub2. |
| 20:45.32 | jch2os | Having an issue bonding ib0 and eth5, can anyone help? This is my config and the status of the bond |
| 20:45.32 | jch2os | http://pastebin.com/QBsxyPmV |
| 20:45.34 | Darxus | tremon: Hmm, I used the debian installer gui, don't know. |
| 20:45.55 | jch2os | I get this error, Failed to enslave eth5 to bond0. Is bond0 ready and a bonding interface ? |
| 20:46.05 | tremon | Darxus: doesn't really matter, you should get a different error message in that case (no room to install grub in mbr) |
| 20:46.27 | Darxus | Actually, there was an existing partition table that I edited. Probably mbr. |
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| 20:47.07 | Darxus | The raid (md0) has 8 devices, 2.1 terabytes. |
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| 20:47.50 | tremon | living dangerously eh? |
| 20:47.55 | Raydiation | does debian php include pdo? |
| 20:48.15 | Raydiation | checked packages.debian.org, cant find the package and im not running debian right now |
| 20:48.16 | LinuxGuy2020 | tremon: Well its kinda hard to do cause its on a motherboard that has no monitor out. Its the motherboard of a MyBookLive. I bricked it and have installed powerpc version of squeeze in qemu and dd the image to a real drive and tried to boot it and I installed openssh server. But my laptop wont connect to it through my switch. Im not sure if its supported out of the box or if it needs firmware or just needs a startup command., |
| 20:49.18 | Darxus | tremon: I have two fully identical machines, doing the same thing. That's where I get my redundancy. |
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| 20:50.26 | LinuxGuy2020 | Does a base install of Debian generally require a command to start up a network device? |
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| 20:51.17 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: did the whole qemu thing work out (other then the lack of network obviously), but do you have a working squeeze? |
| 20:51.32 | tremon | still, I have no real explanation for your error. grub shouldn't need anything else besides /proc and the device file. Only suggestion I would have is to chroot to your system (with /proc and /dev bind-mounted) and try to re-run install-grub from inside your system |
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| 20:51.47 | tremon | Darxus: ^ |
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| 20:52.11 | unkmar | jhutchins_wk: and now the usb drive has been formatted and the grub is made because that usb drive is no longer attached.... |
| 20:52.34 | Darxus | tremon: Thanks, I'll try that. Was mount's bind capability added in recent years? I don't remember it being there in the past. |
| 20:52.49 | unkmar | jhutchins_wk: so I get this grub rescue that doesn't have help or anything apparently useful to ..... RESCUE as system. |
| 20:52.52 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: The powerpc of squeeze installed perfectly on qemu. And I dd the raw image to a physical disk. I can hear the disk booting when I attach the board to the drive and boot it up. |
| 20:53.16 | tremon | not sure about recent. It's there in squeeze, so that means at least 2 years ago |
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| 20:53.38 | zykotick9 | unkmar: what you just described, sounds like you installed grub to your usb instead of the hd? boot from live media, chroot into your install (with proper mounts) and grub-install to you hd's mbr. |
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| 20:54.11 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: but you can't see the screen output at all? |
| 20:54.12 | LinuxGuy2020 | LinuxGuy2020: Only way to verify if it worked is to get ssh working and thats why I have to get the network working. Otherwise this wont work at all. But the mybooklive ships with a custom build of debian pwerpc. |
| 20:54.37 | Darxus | tremon: Same: "Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/vg1-root failed." |
| 20:54.45 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: No because its a NAS motherboard. No in/outs except LAN and power. Thats it. |
| 20:54.59 | unkmar | zykotick9: yeah, that live media thing is currently the catch. net installs aren't live media. :( |
| 20:55.02 | tremon | Darxus: what does file -s /dev/mapper/vg1-root say? |
| 20:55.13 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: ahhh, good luck with that... |
| 20:55.17 | tremon | or blkid !:2, for that matter |
| 20:55.22 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: Everything is done via ssh or web browser. |
| 20:55.27 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: hehe |
| 20:56.00 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: But like I was asking before. If you normally install a base install of debian with no GUI dont you have to start the network adapter with a command? |
| 20:56.07 | Darxus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.17 | Darxus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.20 | Stameni | can i somehow make gnom 2 default in wheezy ? |
| 20:56.21 | zykotick9 | unkmar: no, netinst is an installer ;) can you get something from somewhere? be sure it's the same "bitness" as what your chrooting into (32 vs 64 bit) |
| 20:56.25 | Darxus | tremon: ^ |
| 20:56.49 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: during install you configure the network, did you? |
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| 20:57.21 | unkmar | zykotick9: I don't need the same bitness. Just gotta fix the freaking grub file to not look for that freaking usb drive. |
| 20:57.31 | unkmar | dang thing now thinks it is required. |
| 20:58.15 | tremon | Darxus: that's not what I expected as output. Did you use file -s? maybe file -Ls? |
| 20:58.18 | zykotick9 | unkmar: i'd think chrooting into a non-native architecture "may" cause issues? maybe not. we'll good luck with it. |
| 20:58.21 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: No. It was in qemu first so no. |
| 20:58.34 | Darxus | tremon: No, just file. |
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| 20:58.50 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: I would think it would just pick it up and be able to use it. |
| 20:59.03 | unkmar | zykotick9: it would, if my system was 32 and I tried 64. but not if I have 64. the i386 would still work. |
| 20:59.04 | Darxus | I umounted the volume, mounted /dev/dm-0, same result. |
| 20:59.22 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: but during that qemu install, didn't you config the network? oh shit, it wouldn't matter, cause the eth0 would have changed! oh man... i got nothing... |
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| 21:00.03 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: i'd "guess" that your real nic is eth1 and isn't currently configured to do anything... |
| 21:00.03 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9:hehe Thats ok. Nobody has tried this as far as I have read. Its pretty hard to un-brick this thing. |
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| 21:04.24 | Silent | Hello :) |
| 21:04.55 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: Well Im assuming that it has found it, crossing my fingers, but I think there is a command that I need to add to rc.local or whatever to start the lan every boot. Just cant remeber what it is. |
| 21:05.16 | Silent | Is there a tool that I can use to show "master packages"(that don't have other packages that depend on them) and remove the ones I don't need without breaking anything? |
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| 21:06.32 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: ifup eth0 or eth1? SOmething like that sound right? |
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| 21:06.58 | unkmar | I had a installer drive I was able to get to a rescue shell. From there I found which partition and drive. Then I realized I could just tell it to reinstall grub and set it to (hda0) or something like that. It's working again. |
| 21:07.08 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: both networking and ssh should start automatically if you installed them. |
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| 21:08.22 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: the config for eth1 would be lacking from /etc/network/interfaces (assuming it really is eth1). but then "ifup eth1" should work. |
| 21:09.01 | tremon | Silent: aptitude search '?installed ?not(?reverse-Depends(?installed))', or similar. See http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 21:09.56 | medusaXX | what are the requirements for a package to go from experimental to unstable? |
| 21:10.15 | Silent | tremon Do we have a sort of an unintaller tool like they do on Winodws? |
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| 21:10.45 | tremon | medusaXX: none, there is no migration path. packages have to be explicitly submitted to unstable |
| 21:11.05 | medusaXX | ok |
| 21:11.25 | tremon | Silent: "uninstaller tool like they do on windows"? You mean like msi, or nsis? no |
| 21:11.27 | medusaXX | and what are "informal" requirements? |
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| 21:11.57 | Silent | Umm not sure how to explain |
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| 21:12.14 | zykotick9 | Silent: is space that much of a consideration for you? i'd call the uninstaller tool(s) apt-get and aptitude myself. |
| 21:12.26 | Silent | tremon It just lists all the programs you have installed, and you can get rid of the ones you don't need |
| 21:12.42 | tremon | medusaXX: not sure what you're asking, the requirement for submitting a package version to unstable is that you're a debian developer |
| 21:12.53 | Silent | zykotick9 I just don't like having stuff that I don't use lying around |
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| 21:13.07 | tremon | Silent: apt-get, aptitude, synaptic or adept come to mind |
| 21:13.24 | Silent | I want this system to be ready for the long term, I want to make sure I can clean it properly if it gets blaoted |
| 21:13.26 | medusaXX | i mean when does a package maintainer send a package to experimental and when does he or she chose to upload it to unstable |
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| 21:14.00 | medusaXX | how does he decide? |
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| 21:14.44 | tremon | medusaXX: experimental is for experimental stuff that will never be part of a debian release. There are no rules. Unstable is the entry point for all packages that will be in the next debian release. I think #debian-mentors on oftc will be able to give you more specific answers |
| 21:14.44 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: I tried wget in the qemu virtual machine and it works. Now I have openssh-server installed. Do I need to start a service for it or anything? |
| 21:15.08 | zykotick9 | Silent: i strategy i use for that (and i run a "minimal" system) is start from netinst (don't select anything in tasksel except the "base" and ssh option) then only install what i want. no cruft. |
| 21:15.16 | medusaXX | thank you tremon |
| 21:15.46 | Silent | zykotick9 I see. |
| 21:15.56 | unkmar | just great. at least I still have my data. the ..... laptop install is now broken. so.. I'll just... I... j. bye |
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| 21:16.22 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: wait, you used wget to install openssh-server? |
| 21:16.25 | smw_ | tremon, I thought stuff goes to experimental before going to unstable |
| 21:16.30 | Silent | Also, would following the rolling release make a big difference in stability? I'm thinking of getting Linux Mint Debian because it claims to be more stable |
| 21:16.45 | Silent | I just want to have a rolling release system |
| 21:17.00 | zykotick9 | Silent: there is no debian rolling. and LMDE is NOT supported here. |
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| 21:17.56 | tremon | smw_: nope, experimental is the odd one out. Software migrates from unstable to testing (and eventually to stable), but experimental is a stand-alone archive. Experimental is also never complete, it only has random packages but not a full distribution. |
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| 21:18.41 | smw_ | tremon, I see stuff like sabnzbdplus there where an older version is in testing |
| 21:19.00 | smw_ | tremon, I imagine the newer version will eventually filter down, no? |
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| 21:19.26 | tremon | smw_: no, not automatically. The maintainer needs to submit the new version to unstable himself |
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| 21:19.53 | Silent | zykotick9 Weird, I was sure there's a testing rolling-release Debian |
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| 21:20.33 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: Used it to download a file in qemu. So Im guessing networking was configured. I checked and ssh server was running for the root user. |
| 21:20.33 | tremon | but since debian is in freeze, you will find more maintainers that choose to upload newer versions to experimental |
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| 21:21.08 | zykotick9 | Silent: it's complicated... sid (aka unstable) is similar to a rolling release, BUT it's never released, so does it count? |
| 21:21.17 | medusaXX | if i install a package with apt-get install and apt-get shows me which dependencies need to be installed - is there way to show how apt-get came to its result |
| 21:21.41 | medusaXX | i mean something like tree view that shows me which package caused which other packages to be included into the list |
| 21:21.58 | Silent | Aha, sorry. I meant Debian Sid. Is it stable enough for daily use? |
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| 21:22.40 | yeats | medusaXX: 'apt-cache showpkg <packagename>' |
| 21:22.45 | tremon | medusaXX: there's debtree, but that will show all dependencies, not just the ones missing |
| 21:22.55 | smw_ | Silent, I don't recommend it |
| 21:23.15 | tremon | ah, I take that back |
| 21:23.18 | Silent | I see |
| 21:23.19 | tremon | http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/usage2.html |
| 21:23.42 | yeats | tremon: that's cool - I hadn't seen that before |
| 21:23.42 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: that's what i expected. but the hardware presented in qemu, will NOT be the same as the h/w on the device. because of the change in MACs you'll get a new ethX device (ACTUALLY, if you spoofed the MAC to be the same as your WHATEVERITIS in qemu, then eth0 "might" stay the same - the driver would change, and i'd guess that's gonna cause it to switch to eth1 as well :( so forget that idea) |
| 21:24.19 | medusaXX | ah hm |
| 21:24.26 | medusaXX | i cant read the output of showpkg |
| 21:24.54 | zykotick9 | Silent: for me personally, debian stable is the best to use - currently, one time only exception ;) being, if you where to install today use wheezy ;) |
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| 21:25.34 | medusaXX | http://pastebin.com/fyZDGj03 <<< this is the output for showpkg owncloud (experimental) |
| 21:25.42 | medusaXX | how do you read that? |
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| 21:25.49 | smw_ | Silent, I just started using debian (as a desktop). I am using Wheezy and I am very happy with it. I think having the latest software is overrated. I have used experimental for a couple packages but the slightly outdated ones on Wheezy just work. |
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| 21:26.45 | ex-parrot | quick q since I can't find a straight answer online: is Gnome 2.x officially supported on Wheezy? |
| 21:26.48 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: thank you for the hints. this is not resolved yet up apt-get upgrade is running |
| 21:26.51 | medusaXX | debtree seems to be easier |
| 21:27.01 | zykotick9 | ex-parrot: no. gnome3. |
| 21:27.09 | ex-parrot | thanks zykotick9 |
| 21:27.22 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: glad to help, and good luck :) |
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| 21:27.35 | ex-parrot | also, is aptitude still preferred over apt-get? I see a lot of folks are still using apt-get |
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| 21:28.56 | medusaXX | lol the man page for apt-cache says: "For the specific meaning of the remainder of the output it is best to consult the apt source code." |
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| 21:29.46 | smw_ | medusaXX, RTFC :-) |
| 21:30.17 | medusaXX | i'm falling back to debtree ;) |
| 21:30.39 | zykotick9 | ex-parrot: choose whichever you want! there are exceptions when updating to never versions, where recently apt-get is suggested (but this is covered in the notes!) there is several dpkg factoids <why aptitude> <why apt-get> <why not aptitude> sorta things you might want to see? |
| 21:31.01 | tremon | medusaXX: I tend to prefer apt-cache show over apt-cache showpkg, it's easier to read. There's also aptitude -VW install $pkg and aptitude why $pkg |
| 21:31.17 | ex-parrot | zykotick9: I did observe that apt-get is preferred for upgrade in the release notes, but I had some notion that apt-get had been deprecated years ago so I stopped using it |
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| 21:32.17 | zykotick9 | ex-parrot: i'd say the reverse is closer to the case unfortunatly. i use aptitude 90% of the time, but i was worried with multiarch in wheezy that aptitude would be dropped (it wasn't thank goodness) |
| 21:32.36 | medusaXX | i've got the odd situation that the package i want to install depends only on apache2 |
| 21:32.37 | tremon | ex-parrot: aptitude was the preferred upgrade tool for lenny->squeeze iirc because of some tricky dependencies that apt-get couldn't handle. but apt-get is still very much alive |
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| 21:32.52 | medusaXX | but some other dependency wants another apache2 version |
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| 21:33.19 | ex-parrot | ok, so there's no official preference for one or the other? is there some documentation explaining why I might want to use or the other as a preference then? |
| 21:33.23 | tremon | medusaXX: are you mixing sources or releases? |
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| 21:33.35 | medusaXX | releases, yes |
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| 21:33.40 | zykotick9 | tremon: i think it must have been ?etch->lenny that used aptitude... i'm pretty sure lenny->squeeze was apt-get recommended. |
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| 21:33.51 | ex-parrot | lenny -> squeeze definitely used apt-get |
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| 21:34.24 | medusaXX | and i want to find out which of the dependencies wants the apache2 version from another release |
| 21:34.26 | tremon | ok, then it was earlier :) I tend to forget about everything oldstable after upgrading my machines |
| 21:34.33 | ex-parrot | I think I switch from apt-get to aptitude around etch |
| 21:34.53 | medusaXX | :) |
| 21:35.00 | tremon | (and all my machines are on wheezy, so I'm already forgetting about squeeze too) |
| 21:35.01 | medusaXX | i'm mixing testing and unstable/experimental |
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| 21:35.32 | ex-parrot | I'm just installing Wheezy on a couple of boxes now so I can try it for 6 months before migrating all my Squeeze boxes |
| 21:36.05 | medusaXX | lets see what aptitude -VW install $pkg and aptitude why $pkg is about |
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| 21:38.17 | zykotick9 | medusaXX: if you're backporting packages from unstable that's one thing. but using binaries from both is frankendebian. just run unstable, if it's the SNS you crave. |
| 21:38.31 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 21:38.32 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 21:38.49 | medusaXX | lol |
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| 21:39.15 | tremon | medusaXX: aptitude search '~i~Dapache2'. Asking specific questions will yield better answers |
| 21:39.21 | tremon | also, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchDep |
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| 21:39.44 | medusaXX | i like my frankendebian server ;) |
| 21:39.47 | ex-parrot | organises a release party for Wheezy |
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| 21:46.49 | Klaus_Dieter | well this is now actually all wheezy |
| 21:46.58 | Klaus_Dieter | except for a few custom-built packages ;) |
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| 21:53.49 | petn-randall | We're not stopping anyone from mixing squeeze, wheezy, sid and experimental. We're just saying you get to keep all the pieces :) |
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| 22:01.47 | Klaus_Dieter | argh debian always fucks up the permissions on postfix / dovecot installs |
| 22:01.49 | Klaus_Dieter | this is horrible |
| 22:02.10 | Klaus_Dieter | apt-get upgrade and suddenly the mailserver is broken |
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| 22:02.28 | Klaus_Dieter | and mails bouncing all over |
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| 22:02.46 | medusaXX | man dpkg-statoverride |
| 22:02.53 | medusaXX | i've had the same problem |
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| 22:03.51 | harrison | i have been thinking that i have a kernel problem and perhaps i do -- but suppose it is really a problem with glibc? |
| 22:04.12 | harrison | where is the glibc library on my system and what is its name? |
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| 22:05.36 | petn-randall | harrison: What problems are you seeing? Which release are you on? |
| 22:06.04 | harrison | PU~Quad core Intel Core i7-2700K CPU (-HT-MCP-) clocked at Min:1600.000Mhz Max:3801.000Mhz Kernel~3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Up~54 min Mem~853.2/3882.7MB HDD~160.1GB(74.9% used) Procs~164 Client~Shell inxi~1.8.45 |
| 22:06.17 | mtn | harrison: still trying to fix siduction? |
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| 22:06.40 | harrison | now using a debian kernel therefore you must help me! ha! |
| 22:06.50 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 22:06.50 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 22:06.59 | abrotman | harrison: you just claimed your libc was the problem |
| 22:07.30 | abrotman | harrison: siduction has their own support channel, I'd suggest trying there first |
| 22:07.33 | harrison | What is the name of the library of glibc? |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | and then ##linux |
| 22:07.40 | harrison | so i can look for it? |
| 22:08.01 | abrotman | harrison: you want #siduction on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:11.51 | harrison | since i am using debian repos, surely it is a relevant query for this channel to ask what package provides /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so |
| 22:11.51 | harrison | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.24 | abrotman | harrison: this channel does not support Siduction, please use #siduction on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:13.42 | abrotman | yeah, that'll work |
| 22:14.02 | petn-randall | What'll work? |
| 22:16.03 | dfx | hello guys i 've installed this http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#p54usb and now my driver get loaded and but in network manager list when i click my wifi nethin happans i found out googling thats a bug with 2.6 kernel but mine its 3.2 as im runnin wheezy |
| 22:16.12 | dfx | any idea how can i fix this |
| 22:16.44 | petn-randall | dfx: Does syslog or kern.log show anything related? |
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| 22:17.51 | dfx | petn-randall: hang on ill check |
| 22:18.07 | abrotman | what's your network manager? |
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| 22:18.13 | medusaXX | harrison: you can use dpkg -S to find out to which package a file belongs to |
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| 22:18.53 | petn-randall | or dlocate |
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| 22:20.07 | dfx | petn-randall: in the kernel log pretty same as dmesg but in syslog i see the failur of network manager here you go http://pastie.org/7699943 |
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| 22:25.38 | nerder | hello guys, i have some resolution problem |
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| 22:25.54 | nerder | i'm starting wine for play a MMORPG game |
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| 22:26.23 | nerder | and this game is able to change resolution after you start playing, when i set it up to the fullscreen mode |
| 22:26.30 | nerder | the resolution become 800x600 |
| 22:27.03 | nerder | and after than i close wine, the resolution is still the same |
| 22:27.29 | nerder | if i try to reset on the default resolution, the monitor become totally black and i have to reboot |
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| 22:31.56 | dfx1 | petn-randall: its solved YEAH i was missing gnome-keyring i just found it i just found it on this site http://superuser.com/questions/305314/archlinux-networkmanager-not-asking-for-wifi-passphrase thanks tho |
| 22:35.19 | smw_ | Hi all, I have a weird thing I want to do. I have a library I want to install along side the debian packaged version of the library and then want to link only one program (which I am compiling myself) against it. I want to make it default to compile against the system lib except for whatever change I need to make to my one program. Is there a guide for this? |
| 22:36.02 | abrotman | considered a chroot? |
| 22:36.19 | smw_ | The issue here is that I want to make a package for a program which wants a patched version of a certain library. |
| 22:36.39 | abrotman | but how will you deploy the package? |
| 22:36.44 | smw_ | I can't patch the system lib because it uses an already heavily modified version of the library :-\ |
| 22:36.56 | smw_ | abrotman, personal deb repo |
| 22:37.02 | abrotman | smw_: that's not what i mean .. |
| 22:37.13 | abrotman | your package is going to want to install the library in /usr/lib/, right? |
| 22:37.22 | smw_ | yes |
| 22:37.35 | abrotman | but you can't overwrite the existing library |
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| 22:37.42 | smw_ | I am hoping I can somehow avoid collisions. |
| 22:38.13 | smw_ | abrotman, somehow rename the library and link my one program against the renamed one |
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| 22:38.26 | abrotman | smw_: a) I'd ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net b) I would think you could make like a libfoo-smw that conflicts with libfoo |
| 22:38.39 | abrotman | it depends how many other packages use libfoo |
| 22:38.46 | smw_ | abrotman, that is exactly what I want |
| 22:38.54 | smw_ | abrotman, a few use libfoo |
| 22:39.03 | smw_ | (it is libpar2 if you are interested) |
| 22:39.12 | abrotman | and you cannot work with the current package to include your patch? |
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| 22:39.55 | smw_ | abrotman, that was what I tried at first. But the one debian uses is already modified beyond patch's ability to apply the patches :-\ |
| 22:39.56 | abrotman | smw_: my apt-cache shows three packages that depend on libpar2-0 |
| 22:40.10 | abrotman | smw_: but if you work with the maintainer, you could possibly make it work ? |
| 22:40.16 | smw_ | abrotman, yeah, I want to create a package for an updated nzbget |
| 22:40.54 | abrotman | smw_: so, you want to replace nzbget, and the libpar2-0 .. which are obviously related . but nothing else uses libpar2 .. |
| 22:41.12 | abrotman | so, not sure why you care about installing them side by side |
| 22:41.13 | smw_ | abrotman, sure, since he is the one who did the modifications, I would assume he is capable of it... but the fact that this packages have not been updated in years does not bode well... |
| 22:41.23 | smw_ | abrotman, gpar2 and par2 use it, no? |
| 22:41.50 | abrotman | judd: maint libpar2-0 |
| 22:41.52 | judd | Package libpar2 version 0.2.1-1 was uploaded by Kilian Krause on 2011-07-13, last changed by Andreas Moog and maintained by Andreas Moog. |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | smw_: are you using something other than Debian? |
| 22:42.54 | smw_ | abrotman, nope, using wheezy |
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| 22:43.18 | abrotman | judd: versions gpar2 |
| 22:43.19 | judd | Package: gpar2 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3-2.3 |
| 22:43.30 | abrotman | smw_: seems like gpar2 is dead? |
| 22:44.03 | smw_ | abrotman, it is pretty dead... it is where libpar2 originally came from. |
| 22:44.22 | smw_ | It looks like Moog then forked it (without changing the name) and moved it to version .2.1 |
| 22:44.54 | smw_ | when he forked it, he changed it so nzbget's patches don't work and I am incapable of merging by hand (because I don't know enough) |
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| 22:45.55 | abrotman | you can try emailing Kilian or Andreas |
| 22:46.11 | smw_ | abrotman, yep, I guess I will need to do that |
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| 22:46.45 | smw_ | or just say f this and give up on packaging. What is wrong with "make install" again? :-P |
| 22:46.48 | abrotman | smw_: alternately, just make your own packages, make the version newer than what's there .. remove the 'old' ones |
| 22:46.53 | abrotman | !tell smw_ about stow |
| 22:47.51 | smw_ | thanks abrotman |
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| 22:49.25 | abrotman | smw_: alternately, you can volunteer to maintain the packages going forward :) |
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| 22:49.53 | smw_ | abrotman, I am not competent enough for that as this has proven :-P |
| 22:50.03 | abrotman | smw_: that's what the mentors channel is for |
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| 22:50.31 | smw_ | I have spent a couple hours trying to figure out wtf was going on with these packages. This explains why nzbget hasn't been updated in years |
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| 22:51.02 | smw_ | s/couple/about 5/ :-) |
| 22:51.25 | peterrooney | I wonder what the real world pre-reqs for maintaining a package are (aside from interest) |
| 22:52.13 | smw_ | peterrooney, I thought I had the prereqs... but apparently this stuff is hard ;-) |
| 22:52.19 | petn-randall | peterrooney: I guess it's a few years of Debian experience, and having read the debian packaging policy. |
| 22:53.02 | smw_ | abrotman, how did you figure out what depended on libpar2? |
| 22:53.24 | abrotman | smw_: apt-cache rdepends libpar2-0 |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | peterrooney: ability to read |
| 22:54.02 | smw_ | abrotman, how can I look it up for sid? |
| 22:54.09 | smw_ | do I need to install sid? |
| 22:54.22 | abrotman | smw_: i'd imagine it's the same |
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| 22:58.50 | smw_ | abrotman, well, thanks, it looks like libpar2 doesn't matter. Just in case I will make libpar2-nzbget and have it conflict with libpar2. |
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| 22:59.33 | abrotman | voila! |
| 22:59.50 | smw_ | abrotman, this gives me a sane starting point. Thanks :-) |
| 23:00.11 | abrotman | hrm .. sanity |
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| 23:22.58 | blackmagic | my users are having issues changing the password, it reports this "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error passwd: password unchanged" i know im typing it right, cause i set the password to oneoneone..and still fails. any ideas? |
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| 23:40.45 | peterrooney | blackmagic: first thing to check is mount options for / - the only time I've ever seen that message is when / is mounted read-only |
| 23:41.01 | blackmagic | its not in RONLY, its read/write |
| 23:41.28 | blackmagic | dev/simfs on / type simfs (rw,relatime) |
| 23:42.02 | blackmagic | i made another vm with the same template, and i dont have this problem.. |
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| 23:47.50 | agarwood | Hi ! How are you ? when I use live cd debian kde, i can't connect my modem usb 3g, i don't understand i am new, any doc about how to done it ? I mean any doc, wiki... on internet ? Thank you ! |
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