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| 00:02.32 | dfx | hello guys |
| 00:03.12 | blackmagic | peterrooney, i fixed it with chmod 4511 `which passwd` |
| 00:03.29 | dfx | when i try to ssh into my machine with my wifi i get into my box quicly but with my 3g network via my phone it takes forver is it some config thing or my 3g damn slow ?? what must i verify |
| 00:03.55 | blackmagic | dfx, you can try disabling DNS RESOLVE in sshd. |
| 00:04.12 | dfx | blackmagic: how can i do so ?? |
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| 00:15.00 | agarwood | Hi ! How are you ? when I use live cd debian kde, i can't connect my modem usb 3g, i don't understand i am new, any doc about how to done it ? I mean any doc, wiki... on internet ? Thank you ! |
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| 00:24.13 | dfx | guys any idea why icant ssh into my machine with my 3g ?? maybe cus its slow ?? btw if launch a webpage i ll get it tho |
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| 00:47.44 | edinny | where can I find a link to download wheezy? |
| 00:48.02 | themill | dpkg: tell edinny about install wheezy |
| 00:49.59 | edinny | themill? |
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| 00:50.38 | edinny | dpkg tell edinny about install wheezy |
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| 00:50.56 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | edinny: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:51.48 | edinny | thanks |
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| 00:53.01 | themill | (which is exactly what dpkg told you) |
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| 00:53.08 | dfx | hello guys |
| 00:53.37 | dfx | can someone tell me why icant ssh into my machine on wheezy using my 3g in phone ?? thanks |
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| 00:57.43 | Towzzer | from your phone to it |
| 00:57.57 | Towzzer | or the phone is your internet |
| 00:58.53 | dfx | Towzzer: noo i have openss-server on my box and i wanted to use my phone to get into my box i can do when i use the same wifi as my machine but with my phone connected to 3g icannot |
| 00:59.21 | Towzzer | they could be blocking outgoing 22 to prevent viruses from doing stuff |
| 00:59.30 | Towzzer | see if you can get to any box that is open |
| 00:59.33 | agarwood | Hi ! How are you ? when I use live cd debian kde, i can't connect my modem usb 3g, i don't understand i am new, any doc about how to done it ? I mean any doc, wiki... on internet ? Thank you ! |
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| 01:01.23 | haylo | dfx: you might need to allow outside access through your modems firewall. |
| 01:01.40 | dfx | haylo: how can i do that ?? |
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| 01:04.53 | haylo | go into your router with iceweasel, and just change it |
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| 01:05.05 | agarwood | My problem is I don't how to do with NetworkManager on the live cd |
| 01:05.17 | agarwood | with DebianKde |
| 01:06.13 | themill | dfx: where is "my box" is it at home? is it VPS in a data centre? |
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| 01:06.29 | dfx | themill: at home |
| 01:06.52 | dfx | im now tryin to find out where ican set this up im on the admin panel of my router |
| 01:07.39 | themill | dfx: so are you trying to ssh from the 3G network into your private network at home? Are you using your private IP for the box (192.168.… or 10.…) |
| 01:07.59 | dfx | themill: 192... one |
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| 01:09.36 | themill | dfx: yeah, so that IP address doesn't exist outside your own private network, so there's no way of sshing to that IP from an external network. You need to ssh to the public IP of your modem/router and enable port forwarding on the router |
| 01:10.12 | dfx | themill: hmm ok how can i find my router ip ? |
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| 01:11.21 | themill | dfx: you can just google "what's my ip" |
| 01:11.40 | themill | (your router's admin interface will also tell you) |
| 01:11.54 | dfx | ok themilli saw earlier while checkin my 22 port on that site thanks |
| 01:12.00 | seeker61 | what path i smy sources.list file |
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| 01:12.39 | dfx | themill: i found it i guess but it give me some protocol choices n there no ssh |
| 01:12.51 | dfx | only tcp /udp |
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| 01:14.12 | LtL | seeker61: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:17.54 | Eltanin | how do I get ssh to run at startup? I've started the service, but would like to make it persistent. |
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| 01:19.34 | themill | Eltanin: you mean the ssh server? Installing the package is sufficient for that. |
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| 01:22.15 | dfx | themill: it asks me the Adresse IP du serveur what must i put in there ?? |
| 01:22.50 | Eltanin | themill: I did not have to install the package on this distro - /etc/init.d/ssh start worked for me on first install (though ssh wouldn't work until I started it). |
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| 01:24.11 | themill | Eltanin: this channel is for helping Debian users -- I don't know what distro you are using but perhaps you should ask their help channel |
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| 01:25.32 | Eltanin | themill: yes, understood. was hoping that I was asking a generic question. the more specific channels have more cricket chirpings than people. Thx anyway! |
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| 01:26.01 | un214 | assuming all goes to plan, when will the wheezy release upgrade instructions be published? |
| 01:26.52 | un214 | I won't have IRC at work to get them from dpkg |
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| 01:31.19 | themill | un214: they should be in place by the time wheezy is released (they are on the ISO images so they need to be ready in advance) |
| 01:31.33 | themill | un214: you can also look on ircbots.debian.net which is updated from dpkg's db each day |
| 01:31.37 | Dr_Cool | Hi, I've just setup a vnc server (tightvnc), made it a service, working just fine EXCEPT that numeric keypad that doesn't want a work. Anybody as an idea on how to fix this ? |
| 01:32.25 | un214 | thebill: great. ircbots.debian.net was what I needed |
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| 01:34.45 | un214 | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8) |
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| 01:34.49 | un214 | what am I missing? |
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| 01:37.21 | themill | un214: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 01:37.49 | un214 | presto-chango that did it |
| 01:38.03 | un214 | must have unset it a long time ago when utf-8 was still completely broken |
| 01:38.36 | themill | (what, 2002?) |
| 01:38.54 | phasma | heh |
| 01:39.01 | un214 | much more recently |
| 01:39.20 | un214 | they finally fixed the bug that was leaving me with utf-8 on the console but a cp-437 font |
| 01:40.11 | un214 | now that the bug is fixed I can turn on utf-8 shell enviornment except for the console |
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| 01:41.20 | phasma | a tiny, insignificant bug != 'completely broken' |
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| 01:42.01 | un214 | s/completely broken/completely broken for me/ |
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| 01:57.18 | n-iCe | hello, startx is not running, what could I do? |
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| 02:00.04 | dvs | n-iCe: look at your /var/log/xorg.0.log file? |
| 02:00.25 | n-iCe | checking |
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| 02:05.23 | BONG_IT | i have a problem with my gui it cant start all is black screen\ |
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| 02:08.16 | loaden | hi, all! |
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| 02:09.22 | loaden | Is it possiblity to install GNOME-SHELL for Debign server? |
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| 02:10.48 | loaden | I am using `expert install mode` to installed the base system. now I want install the gnome-shell 3.4.2 for Wheezy. |
| 02:11.00 | loaden | I did this step: |
| 02:11.21 | loaden | sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-shell gnome-shell-extensions -y # GNOME3 |
| 02:11.39 | loaden | but no luck, I can't run `startx`. |
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| 02:18.05 | loaden | I just tried install `xorg` package. now I can got `startx` now. But I can't see any GUIs. |
| 02:18.35 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | you need a window manager |
| 02:19.23 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | oh, you installed gnome-shell |
| 02:19.46 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | I have no idea about that, I've only used xfce and a couple other things |
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| 02:21.55 | justmmt | hello :) |
| 02:22.38 | justmmt | is there a command to know which desktop manager I am using please! |
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| 02:27.22 | nkuttler | justmmt: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 02:27.38 | nkuttler | justmmt: oh, never mind.. |
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| 02:30.11 | justmmt | nkuttler: /usr/sbin/gdm3 |
| 02:30.16 | justmmt | I think it is gnome, right? |
| 02:30.46 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | yes |
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| 02:31.34 | justmmt | thank you all |
| 02:31.36 | justmmt | :) |
| 02:31.50 | TheNotary | I'm thinking about creating a new security VM that handles stuff like a write only log file for another debian server to write to (in case of ownage). If I install wheezy now, will it be easy to update to the stable version in May? |
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| 02:33.55 | Towzzer | yes |
| 02:34.00 | rjsalts | TheNotary: I've usually found debian releases to be fairly painless in that regard |
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| 02:35.23 | TheNotary | thanks |
| 02:35.56 | TheNotary | I was worried when I noticed the new version coming out |
| 02:36.00 | rryoumaa | TheNotary: vm on a different machine? |
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| 02:36.11 | rryoumaa | oh you said that nm |
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| 02:38.36 | sooley | i just installed debian and it boots to a gray screen and i cant even press anything or do anything..what should i do |
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| 02:39.48 | TheNotary | could be hardware issues. I forget, does debian have a Live CD? Does booting to a Live Environment off a CD work Sooley? |
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| 02:39.59 | abrotman | TheNotary: yes |
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| 02:41.12 | sooley | umm idk but it was just working before |
| 02:41.16 | sooley | but i moved it to downstairs |
| 02:41.19 | sooley | and disconnected the internet |
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| 02:41.46 | sooley | is there a way i can get to SSH somehow? all it lets me do is ctrl alt dleete |
| 02:42.42 | TheNotary | during installation, did you check the "ssh" package to be installed? If so, the sshd server should be running, so you could connect to the machine from ssh (or putty on windows) |
| 02:42.51 | sooley | yea i did yea |
| 02:43.05 | sooley | the thing is i installed wireless drivers n now its not connecting at all |
| 02:43.16 | sooley | so i cant even access it from another computer lol i was hopin to do it on that one |
| 02:43.31 | sooley | might move it back up here just to check it :/ dont want to thougfh |
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| 02:48.20 | Maraakate | hey guys i have an RTL8191SE wifi on debian squeeze |
| 02:48.27 | Maraakate | but i cant get it to work at all theres no wlan0 showing up at all either |
| 02:48.44 | Maraakate | i installed the firmware-realtek and downoaded the drivers from dlink.com ftp and extracted it ot the appropriate places |
| 02:48.55 | Maraakate | but i dont see anything in iwconfig, etcf. |
| 02:48.58 | Maraakate | not sure what to do here |
| 02:49.10 | Maraakate | stock install im talking to you guys from via the ethernet |
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| 02:51.09 | dvs | Maraakate: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
| 02:51.31 | Maraakate | right i followed those instructions verbatim |
| 02:51.51 | Maraakate | those tools are installed |
| 02:52.02 | Maraakate | and the firmware is at /usr/local/lib/firmware/RTL8192U |
| 02:53.13 | Maraakate | is there another command i have to run |
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| 02:54.41 | dvs | Maraakate: A reboot if you already haven't done so. |
| 02:54.54 | Maraakate | yeah tried that too |
| 02:55.32 | Maraakate | do i have to add wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 02:55.36 | Maraakate | and then reboot perhaps? |
| 02:55.37 | Maraakate | or restart it |
| 02:55.41 | Maraakate | i dont know how to restart that though |
| 02:56.19 | dvs | Maraakate: I'd try a backported kernel. |
| 02:56.30 | Maraakate | how do i do that |
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| 02:56.57 | dvs | !tell Maraakate about bpo kernel |
| 02:58.34 | sooley | got it fired up |
| 02:59.10 | sooley | sadly my wireless detects it but it doesnt connect |
| 02:59.30 | sooley | WNA3100 w/ ndiswrapper |
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| 03:00.08 | Maraakate | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
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| 03:02.12 | Maraakate | hjalp |
| 03:03.19 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | no parentheses |
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| 03:04.35 | Maraakate | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports-sloppy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
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| 03:05.30 | dvs | Maraakate: remove the "-sloppy" part |
| 03:05.30 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | also debian/ not debian-backports/ |
| 03:05.34 | Maraakate | thats what it says in directions though |
| 03:05.46 | dvs | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: no, that part is correct |
| 03:06.03 | Maraakate | i tried removing -sloppy part then it said it was really old |
| 03:06.06 | Maraakate | like 259 days old |
| 03:06.08 | justmmt | I have problems about installing my network device! |
| 03:06.18 | justmmt | installing network-manager-gnome or wicd I have got this message: http://pastebin.com/6BQu2vuU |
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| 03:06.38 | Maraakate | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.40 | Maraakate | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release (invalid since 13d 6h 43min 21s) |
| 03:07.17 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | oh |
| 03:07.40 | Maraakate | i dont know man |
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| 03:09.19 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
| 03:09.26 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | debian-backports isn't there |
| 03:09.28 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | so |
| 03:09.33 | Maraakate | yeah i just ftp'd into it |
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| 03:09.58 | Arrowmaster | it was moved, check backports.debian.org for the new address |
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| 03:12.24 | Maraakate | okay |
| 03:12.27 | Maraakate | so now it installed |
| 03:12.38 | Maraakate | now how do i instal this bad boy |
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| 03:14.41 | Maraakate | for this backports kernel so i can use rtl8191se |
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| 03:14.51 | Maraakate | the squeeze-backports apt is setup now |
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| 03:19.58 | seeker61 | grrr i have installed iceweasel 5.0 and it still just up and quits when it wants to |
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| 03:23.25 | Maraakate | yo |
| 03:23.34 | Maraakate | so i have the squeeze-backpors in my apt |
| 03:23.37 | Maraakate | whats the next step here |
| 03:26.04 | LtL | seeker61: why dont you upgrade it to 20.0 maybe it won't crash on you. http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 03:26.34 | Maraakate | okay i run the install now its showing me some notes |
| 03:26.43 | Maraakate | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.44 | Maraakate | /tmp/tmpYq12S5 (END) |
| 03:26.45 | seeker61 | LIL: thanks i will go there now |
| 03:26.47 | Maraakate | how do i break out of this |
| 03:26.54 | Maraakate | ctrl+c just seems to bust out of all of it though |
| 03:26.56 | Maraakate | so i dont think thats right |
| 03:27.01 | Maraakate | esc no dice |
| 03:27.03 | LtL | seeker61: read the directions carefully, choose the 'release' version. install the key etc. |
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| 03:27.39 | themill | Maraakate: q to quit |
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| 03:31.53 | maraakate | okay so i guess im in the new kernel |
| 03:31.55 | maraakate | but its still not there |
| 03:31.57 | maraakate | there is no wlan0 |
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| 03:32.40 | maraakate | how do i version for what kernel i am in |
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| 03:32.44 | maraakate | from the terminal |
| 03:33.16 | apm1 | maraakate, uname -a |
| 03:33.31 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/home/tanya# uname -a |
| 03:33.31 | maraakate | Linux tanyalaptop 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2~bpo60+1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:33.34 | maraakate | okay so i have it set up |
| 03:33.43 | maraakate | do i have to reinstall these rtl drivers |
| 03:33.44 | maraakate | i dont get it |
| 03:33.50 | maraakate | is there a modprobe involved |
| 03:33.55 | maraakate | i am confused |
| 03:34.16 | apm1 | maraakate, apt-get install firmware-realtek |
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| 03:34.43 | maraakate | firmware-realtek is already the newest version. |
| 03:35.13 | apm1 | maraakate, what is the chipset model ? |
| 03:35.18 | maraakate | rtl8191SE |
| 03:35.32 | maraakate | there is no button to toggle the wifi on/off either made sure of that |
| 03:35.43 | maraakate | and i trie4d the f-key comibination to toggle it but it makes no difference |
| 03:36.09 | themill | make sure you get firmware-realtek from squeeze-backports too |
| 03:36.27 | apm1 | maraakate, did you see if you have wifi turned on in bios |
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| 03:37.35 | maraakate | it was working on ubuntu earlier |
| 03:37.41 | maraakate | i dont see why it would be disabled |
| 03:37.52 | apm1 | maraakate, 12.10 ? |
| 03:38.28 | apm1 | cause 12.04 and wheezy/squeeze backports has the same kernel |
| 03:38.40 | maraakate | how do i test |
| 03:38.55 | maraakate | to find out |
| 03:39.09 | apm1 | you don't even know what version of ubuntu you were running ? |
| 03:39.15 | maraakate | oh no i dont |
| 03:39.20 | maraakate | okay basically heres the deal |
| 03:39.25 | maraakate | my roommate her laptop had ubuntu on it |
| 03:39.30 | maraakate | and it was working with this wifi |
| 03:39.37 | apm1 | this wifi ? |
| 03:39.43 | maraakate | but hte hard drive was bad |
| 03:39.51 | maraakate | so i put a new one in and was going to put debian on it |
| 03:39.53 | maraakate | yes |
| 03:39.55 | maraakate | this exact laptop |
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| 03:40.04 | maraakate | but now this whole wifi thing is becoming a huge pain in the ass |
| 03:40.09 | maraakate | i dont know why its not detecting |
| 03:40.16 | maraakate | i installed this backport kernel and its obviously installed |
| 03:40.18 | maraakate | but i have nothing |
| 03:40.26 | maraakate | i hit fn-f8 like an asshole many times and nothing |
| 03:40.44 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | rfkill? |
| 03:40.55 | maraakate | ? |
| 03:41.01 | apm1 | maraakate, i think you need a newer kernel |
| 03:41.12 | maraakate | i installed the 3.xx kernel |
| 03:41.14 | maraakate | im on it now |
| 03:41.21 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | check `rfkill list` to see if the wireless card is detected, but "switched off" |
| 03:41.41 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | 0: ideapad_wlan: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no |
| 03:41.53 | maraakate | nothint |
| 03:41.58 | maraakate | i tried rfkill list all |
| 03:41.59 | maraakate | nothing |
| 03:42.14 | maraakate | uname-a shows im in 3.2.0.0 |
| 03:42.35 | magyar | hi, i have a problem with iceweasel, it keeps segfaulting. I've tried running the one from experimental or testing but it yields the same thing. I tried a clean profile also and I've tried running it as root |
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| 03:43.39 | histo | magyar: can you recreate the issue? |
| 03:43.45 | magyar | dmesg has this line iceweasel[9986]: segfault at 7f6caee5e158 ip 00007f6cb74ac214 sp 00007fffc59eac20 error 6 in ld-2.13.so[7f6cb74a1000+20000] |
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| 03:44.18 | magyar | histo: not sure what you mean |
| 03:44.32 | histo | magyar: can you consistently get it to segfault |
| 03:44.47 | magyar | histo: yes |
| 03:45.03 | histo | magyar: then file a bug. If it can be reproduced and troubleshot |
| 03:45.11 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | maraakate: you installed firmware-realtek? |
| 03:45.16 | maraakate | yes |
| 03:45.38 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/etc# apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 03:45.38 | maraakate | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:45.38 | maraakate | Building dependency tree |
| 03:45.38 | maraakate | Reading state information... Done |
| 03:45.38 | maraakate | firmware-realtek is already the newest version. |
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| 03:46.06 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | maraakate: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Installation |
| 03:46.10 | maraakate | yes i did this |
| 03:46.13 | maraakate | with the firmware |
| 03:46.16 | maraakate | unziped it |
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| 03:46.58 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/usr/local/lib/firmware/RTL8192U# dir |
| 03:46.58 | maraakate | boot.img data.img main.img |
| 03:48.00 | maraakate | also |
| 03:48.02 | maraakate | lspci shows the device |
| 03:48.06 | maraakate | 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) |
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| 03:49.21 | seeker61 | LIL: thanks iceweasel is now back up and running hasnt kicked me off. must have had something to do with the updates i did earlier. |
| 03:49.27 | themill | maraakate: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-realtek" for us? |
| 03:49.28 | maraakate | hardinfo even shows it! |
| 03:49.41 | LtL | seeker61: cool |
| 03:49.57 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | maraakate: can you `modprobe rtl8192se` |
| 03:50.27 | maraakate | is it supposed to respond if i type thqt |
| 03:50.39 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | no |
| 03:51.13 | maraakate | output of apt-cache http://pastebin.com/EZyaypAZ |
| 03:51.14 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | maraakate: so you got no response; no error? Can you try iwconfig or rfkill now? |
| 03:51.20 | maraakate | no response, no error |
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| 03:51.37 | maraakate | iwconfig shows my eth0 |
| 03:51.41 | maraakate | but not the wlan0 |
| 03:51.45 | maraakate | and nothing from rfkill |
| 03:52.06 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | hm |
| 03:52.16 | maraakate | do i have to add wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:52.38 | maraakate | i originally did that but i just changed it back |
| 03:52.42 | Rusty1 | which kernel? |
| 03:52.55 | maraakate | i mean theres no wlan0 even showing up in iwconfig |
| 03:53.00 | maraakate | wat |
| 03:53.04 | maraakate | im in 3.2.0.0 |
| 03:53.27 | Rusty1 | modinfo rtl8192se |
| 03:53.47 | maraakate | it outputs stuff about it |
| 03:53.49 | maraakate | and the driver |
| 03:53.51 | maraakate | do you want the output? |
| 03:54.05 | maraakate | i just dont understand why there is no wlan0 showing up here obviously linux is seeing the card |
| 03:54.06 | Rusty1 | pastebin.com or similar |
| 03:54.09 | maraakate | okay |
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| 03:57.08 | maraakate | http://dk.toastednet.org/modinfo.txt |
| 03:57.59 | Rusty1 | now paste : lsmod |
| 03:58.50 | maraakate | http://dk.toastednet.org/lsmod.txt |
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| 04:00.47 | Rusty1 | iwconfig has no interfaces at all? |
| 04:00.50 | maraakate | no |
| 04:00.52 | maraakate | thats why this is so weird |
| 04:01.13 | maraakate | i remember for my wireless card on another laptop i had to do something weird adding iface wlan0 or whatever |
| 04:01.19 | maraakate | to my etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:01.23 | maraakate | somehow that made magic happen |
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| 04:01.41 | maraakate | but i dont see why wlan0 is not showing up as a device at all when you can see that the kernel is clearly seeing the card |
| 04:02.17 | maraakate | do i have to configure something to add wlan0? |
| 04:03.26 | Rusty1 | rfkill list all has no blocks? |
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| 04:03.42 | maraakate | shows nothing man |
| 04:03.57 | maraakate | it just drops back |
| 04:04.06 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/home/tanya# rfkill list all |
| 04:04.08 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/home/tanya# |
| 04:04.22 | Rusty1 | ifconfig wlan0 up , shouldnt do anything but try it |
| 04:04.40 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/home/tanya# rfkill list all |
| 04:04.42 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/home/tanya# |
| 04:04.43 | maraakate | whoops |
| 04:04.59 | maraakate | wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 04:05.05 | maraakate | this is what i dont get |
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| 04:07.18 | Rusty1 | you havent installed any other drivers , this is just the native kernel module loaded? |
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| 04:07.27 | haylo | maraakate: does the card show up when you run "lspci" ? |
| 04:07.28 | reavengrey | why does linux networking have to be so complicated tho |
| 04:07.41 | magyar | histo: I can't even debug it, I've installed the dbg package but still get segfault |
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| 04:08.05 | cryptic_ | wha/nick cryptic |
| 04:08.08 | socomm | reavengrey: it doesn't, feel free to contribute your uncomplicated aproach to linux networking |
| 04:08.48 | reavengrey | linerd detected |
| 04:09.01 | socomm | english please |
| 04:09.12 | reavengrey | linerd |
| 04:09.16 | reavengrey | linux nerd |
| 04:09.20 | reavengrey | pun |
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| 04:09.31 | Rusty1 | maraakate: rmmod rtlwifi |
| 04:09.47 | Rusty1 | maraakate: rmmod mac80211 |
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| 04:10.08 | Rusty1 | maraakate: rmmod rtl8192se |
| 04:10.25 | Rusty1 | maraakate: then modprobe rtl8192se |
| 04:10.35 | socomm | reavengrey: huh? |
| 04:11.07 | somiaj | Rusty1: I have been told modprobe -r foo is a better way to remove modules |
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| 04:12.03 | cryptic | in a desktop environment, would it make sense to launch applications like okular, eclipse, etc. as their own user? |
| 04:12.04 | Rusty1 | maraakate: what somiaj said |
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| 04:13.14 | somiaj | cryptic: I don't think so, it would make sharing the resources (in X) and the files created difficult. |
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| 04:14.32 | maraakate | okay so i did modprobe -r rtl8192se |
| 04:14.36 | maraakate | then modprobe rtl8192se |
| 04:14.39 | maraakate | now what do i check |
| 04:14.50 | maraakate | i tried iwconfig |
| 04:14.55 | maraakate | still no wlan0 |
| 04:15.03 | Rusty1 | did you modprobe -r the others as well? |
| 04:15.22 | maraakate | which ones again im sorry |
| 04:15.33 | Rusty1 | maraakate: modprobe -r rtlwifi |
| 04:15.49 | Rusty1 | maraakate: modprobe -r mac80211 |
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| 04:16.06 | Rusty1 | and again |
| 04:16.11 | cryptic | somiaj: ah yeah, I see how that could cause some problems with resources. I suppose there's no "convenient" way to provide application-level isolation a la android |
| 04:16.24 | Rusty1 | maraakate: modprobe -r rtl8192se |
| 04:16.45 | Rusty1 | maraakate: then modprobe rtl8192se |
| 04:17.34 | themill | maraakate: you don't have the firmware from squeeze-backports there -- I imagine you need it. |
| 04:17.41 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/home/tanya# modprobe -r rtlwifi |
| 04:17.42 | maraakate | FATAL: Module rtlwifi is in use. |
| 04:17.42 | maraakate | root@tanyalaptop:/home/tanya# modprobe -r mac80211 |
| 04:17.42 | maraakate | FATAL: Module mac80211 is in use. |
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| 04:19.04 | maraakate | hey anyways |
| 04:19.06 | maraakate | says device in use |
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| 04:21.05 | maraakate | themill: i dont have the firmware installed? |
| 04:21.12 | maraakate | how do i make that magic happen |
| 04:21.26 | Rusty1 | maraakate: the wifi works on , say, a live dvd/cd (knoppix)? |
| 04:21.40 | maraakate | i dont know i never tested it for knoppix |
| 04:21.42 | themill | maraakate: can you show us your sources.list please? |
| 04:21.45 | maraakate | yes |
| 04:21.47 | maraakate | one sec |
| 04:21.49 | themill | (in a pastebin) |
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| 04:23.17 | maraakate | http://dk.toastednet.org/sources.txt |
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| 04:23.52 | themill | maraakate: you need to add "contrib non-free" to the end of the backports line; then run apt-get update; apt-get install -t squeeze-backports firmware-realtek |
| 04:25.11 | themill | (I don't guarantee this will solve your problem, but you would normally want to update your firmware to match your kernel) |
| 04:26.10 | maraakate | okay firmware is updated now i suppose |
| 04:26.16 | maraakate | it did some stuff no errors |
| 04:26.22 | maraakate | what would logically be the next step here |
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| 04:26.49 | themill | you need to remove and then reinsert the module but it looks like you're having trouble doing that; rebooting may be easier |
| 04:27.03 | maraakate | so just reboot? |
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| 04:27.27 | maraakate | ill reboot |
| 04:27.29 | maraakate | brb |
| 04:27.33 | themill | maraakate: does "modprobe -r rtl8192se; modprobe rtl8192se" work? |
| 04:28.03 | Rusty1 | the module was loaded themill |
| 04:28.38 | Rusty1 | http://dk.toastednet.org/lsmod.txt |
| 04:30.59 | themill | Rusty1: sure, hence wanting to have it removed and reinserted now that there is firmware for it |
| 04:31.33 | Rusty1 | aye |
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| 04:32.17 | maraakate | alright |
| 04:32.18 | maraakate | all working now |
| 04:32.20 | maraakate | thanks so much man |
| 04:32.32 | themill | dpkg, congratulate maraakate |
| 04:32.33 | dpkg | Nice one maraakate, you did it! |
| 04:33.03 | maraakate | anyways i gotta get around to setting the rest of this up now, hopefully should be all easy street from here |
| 04:33.06 | Rusty1 | hands themill a large trout, and ducks |
| 04:33.15 | maraakate | she mostly just used this for rythymbox and transmission on ubuntu |
| 04:33.29 | maraakate | later fellas |
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| 05:05.24 | smw | I uninstalled gnash so I know that is not the problem |
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| 05:27.14 | dannyLopez | ping |
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| 05:30.03 | Blue1 | !wheezy |
| 05:30.03 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) is scheduled for release on the weekend of 4th/5th May 2013. Ask me about <install wheezy>, <wheezy release notes>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
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| 05:39.57 | rmad | i did apt-get -f install. A lot of packages got installed using recovery. But now when i restarted for normal boot it shows a picture of a PC and says "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" |
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| 05:42.51 | Haris_ | !lenny->squeeze |
| 05:42.54 | Haris_ | hmm |
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| 05:43.23 | rmad | sqeeze->wheezy |
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| 05:43.38 | Haris_ | "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
| 05:44.03 | rmad | ok |
| 05:46.05 | Haris_ | the dist-upgrade process told me to |
| 05:46.12 | Haris_ | run upgrade-from-grub-legacy later |
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| 05:46.20 | Haris_ | there was a problem. details not know |
| 05:46.21 | Haris_ | known+ |
| 05:46.32 | rmad | i don't get you :( |
| 05:46.40 | Haris_ | should I run this before rebooting or after rebooting, when I'v just upgraded from lenny > wheezy |
| 05:46.57 | Haris_ | the upgrade-from-grub-legacy command |
| 05:47.15 | themill | rmad: Haris isn't helping you |
| 05:47.21 | rmad | oh! |
| 05:47.31 | Haris_ | the dist-upgrade process told me run upgrade-from-grub-legacy later on |
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| 05:47.42 | themill | Haris_: what did you upgrade from and to? |
| 05:47.49 | Haris_ | lenny -> wheezy |
| 05:47.55 | themill | you can't do that in one step |
| 05:48.06 | themill | (and you were told that yesterday) |
| 05:48.10 | Haris_ | I did it with -> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
| 05:48.51 | Haris_ | got an error on lighttpd and now when I re-run this command (with the modification of apt-get dist-upgrade, in place or upgrade) I get nothing much |
| 05:49.09 | themill | well that command isn't even going to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. |
| 05:49.19 | themill | !show sources.list Haris_ |
| 05:49.19 | dpkg | Haris_: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 05:49.38 | themill | rmad: do you know what is actually displaying that error message? your bios? |
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| 05:50.06 | mad_noob | Hi all has anyone used spacewalk for kickstarting DEBIAN builds? Or do you guys use something else??? |
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| 05:50.42 | Haris_ | http://pastebin.com/se2S2gMW |
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| 05:51.28 | themill | Haris_: ok, and the output of "apt-cache policy udev linux-image-$(uname -r) dpkg apt; apt-cache policy" ? |
| 05:51.31 | rmad | themill: wait I'll look it up |
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| 05:53.06 | Haris_ | http://pastebin.com/gAM98Ww4 |
| 05:53.56 | themill | Haris_: and what does "apt-get install linux-image-686" want to do? |
| 05:53.59 | Haris_ | I haven't rebooted after running apt-get dist-upgrade, yet |
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| 05:54.12 | Haris_ | it says the latest is already installed |
| 05:54.35 | Haris_ | linux-image-686 is already the newest version. |
| 05:54.48 | Haris_ | plus it says to autoremove some old packages |
| 05:54.59 | themill | ok, so "aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i" lists 2.6.32-5-686 there? |
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| 05:55.16 | Haris_ | http://pastebin.com/qAQA2BLw |
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| 05:55.56 | Haris_ | http://pastebin.com/Pv6gZMv0 |
| 05:56.23 | Haris_ | yes |
| 05:56.45 | themill | Haris_: ok, so as dpkg said, you need to reboot into that 2.6.32 kernel and then continue on the upgrade. |
| 05:56.52 | Haris_ | ah ok |
| 05:57.05 | rmad | themill: I started the new gnome from recovery console. But while starting the acpi_fake_key daemon failed |
| 05:57.05 | Haris_ | this box has been up for 429 days |
| 05:57.08 | Haris_ | hate to reboot it |
| 05:57.10 | Haris_ | lol |
| 05:57.29 | rmad | OMG! |
| 05:58.12 | themill | Haris_: all that means is that you have negligent in applying kernel security updates. I have trouble sharing your enthusiasm for that statistic given that it just shows you don't do your job properly. |
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| 05:58.25 | kwork | themill: maybe he has ksplice |
| 05:58.26 | Haris_ | ? |
| 05:58.39 | Haris_ | well |
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| 05:59.36 | themill | kwork: hahaha. |
| 05:59.53 | Haris_ | we'v had no reason to touch it |
| 05:59.58 | Haris_ | no reason at all |
| 06:00.04 | Haris_ | in the past multiple years |
| 06:00.26 | Haris_ | but you are right |
| 06:00.30 | Haris_ | about that. I agree |
| 06:00.48 | Haris_ | I'm upgrading this box now |
| 06:01.13 | Haris_ | do I need to upgrade it from wheezy -> something-else now ? |
| 06:01.18 | Haris_ | or is it ok, as it is, right now ? |
| 06:01.27 | kwork | wheezy isnt even stable yet |
| 06:01.33 | kwork | why would you need to upgrade from it ? |
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| 06:01.51 | Haris_ | oops ? I upgraded from lenny, directly to the latest version ? |
| 06:02.03 | Haris_ | there was lenny > something > and then something here |
| 06:02.11 | kwork | lenny-squeeze- |
| 06:02.14 | kwork | and next will be wheezy |
| 06:02.15 | smw | Haris_, I don't know, lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie |
| 06:02.16 | Haris_ | Correction: I'v upgraded to squeeze |
| 06:02.23 | Haris_ | not wheezy |
| 06:02.36 | smw | Haris_, (jessie doesn't exist yet) |
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| 06:03.14 | Haris_ | I'v successfully rebooted into the new kernel |
| 06:03.17 | Haris_ | ok |
| 06:03.47 | Blue1 | Haris_: upgrades have been problematic for me. I backup /etc/ and /home/ and do a fresh install. YMMV. |
| 06:03.48 | Haris_ | damned laptop keyboards |
| 06:03.57 | Haris_ | do I need to go from squeeze -> wheezy now ? |
| 06:04.29 | Haris_ | Blue1: I agree. I usually do that myself |
| 06:04.35 | Haris_ | but this is an AUTH NS box. no other stuff on it |
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| 06:04.52 | Haris_ | well, it has mysql and pgsql and lighttpd |
| 06:05.01 | Haris_ | but that's only basic stuff |
| 06:05.07 | Haris_ | I'v dumped the DBs |
| 06:05.12 | smw | Haris_, well, wheezy isn't officially stable yet. |
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| 06:05.28 | Haris_ | ok, great. so it means, its squeeze for me. For now |
| 06:05.35 | Haris_ | no! more! upgrades |
| 06:05.37 | Haris_ | :D |
| 06:05.58 | smw | Haris_, wheezy will be stable in about two weeks though. |
| 06:06.16 | kwork | lenny, wasnt its security support dropped ages ago ? |
| 06:06.24 | smw | kwork, nope |
| 06:06.31 | kwork | for how long oldstable is supporteD ? |
| 06:06.43 | Haris_ | damnit |
| 06:06.47 | Haris_ | more upgrade work |
| 06:06.58 | rwp | kwork, oldstable is usually supported for about a year |
| 06:07.18 | Haris_ | there's one thing that hasn't changed |
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| 06:07.21 | rwp | The security team never wants to support more than two tracks at the same time. |
| 06:07.22 | Haris_ | and that's pdns's version |
| 06:07.33 | Haris_ | for which I went through this whole excersize |
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| 06:07.42 | kwork | Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 terminated on February 6th |
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| 06:07.55 | kwork | smw: over a year ago |
| 06:08.08 | themill | Haris_: what does "apt-get dist-upgrade" want to do now? |
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| 06:08.36 | smw | kwork, ah, you are right, lenny died feb 2012... |
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| 06:09.23 | Haris_ | nothing |
| 06:09.26 | hetal | How can I downgrade flash FP11 to FP10? |
| 06:09.33 | Haris_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:09.39 | smw | kwork, ok, I have conflicting info. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-5-0-Reaches-End-of-Life-on-February-2012-239006.shtml and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 06:09.52 | kwork | http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 06:10.09 | Haris_ | what's the latest pdns version for squeeze |
| 06:10.22 | themill | ,v pdns --release squeeze |
| 06:10.24 | judd | No package named 'pdns' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 06:10.32 | smw | kwork, yep, I guess I just saw EOL not filled out on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases and thought it was still in service :-\ |
| 06:10.33 | themill | ,v pdnsd --release squeeze |
| 06:10.34 | judd | Package: pdnsd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.7-par-1.2 |
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| 06:10.45 | Haris_ | 2.9.22-8+squeeze1 |
| 06:10.47 | Haris_ | I have this |
| 06:11.09 | kwork | smw: yeah most likely |
| 06:11.23 | themill | Haris_: for what package? |
| 06:12.04 | Haris_ | pdns-server |
| 06:12.13 | themill | ,v pdns-server --release squeeze |
| 06:12.14 | judd | Package: pdns-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2.9.22-8+squeeze1 |
| 06:12.16 | themill | sounds about right |
| 06:12.17 | Haris_ | ii pdns-server 2.9.22-8+squeeze1 extremely powerful and versatile nameserver |
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| 06:14.43 | Haris_ | does dist-upgrade create backups of existing config files ? |
| 06:14.50 | Haris_ | for example, /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 06:15.36 | Haris_ | mysql startup failed after this upgrade |
| 06:15.38 | Haris_ | hmm |
| 06:15.45 | themill | dpkg: tell Haris_ about squeeze mysql |
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| 06:17.03 | Haris_ | mysql-server 5.0 is still installed |
| 06:17.10 | Haris_ | but not starting |
| 06:17.39 | themill | please read what dpkg said... |
| 06:17.48 | Haris_ | :o |
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| 06:17.53 | Haris_ | that package is rc |
| 06:17.59 | Haris_ | what's the rc condition for a package |
| 06:19.03 | themill | removed |
| 06:19.06 | Haris_ | remove, and old configs still there |
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| 06:20.43 | Haris_ | what does the iF status mean for a package |
| 06:20.57 | Haris_ | I have no errors in mysql log |
| 06:21.00 | Haris_ | but its not starting |
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| 06:23.13 | themill | please pastebin things rather than hoping our ESP-over-IRC is working |
| 06:23.17 | mad_noob | does anyone use preseed to automate there debian builds? |
| 06:23.29 | mad_noob | and if yes have you got local apt repo's setup?? |
| 06:23.48 | smw | mad_noob, I did that a few years ago. |
| 06:23.54 | smw | and yes, I had a local app repo |
| 06:24.00 | mad_noob | ok cool |
| 06:24.13 | mad_noob | just wanted to check I was heading down the fight path |
| 06:24.18 | mad_noob | right |
| 06:24.19 | mad_noob | lol |
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| 06:24.53 | daemonza | is preseed still the best way to automate debian installs? been a while since I looked at it. |
| 06:25.07 | mad_noob | yes good question... |
| 06:25.23 | mad_noob | and how do you guys setup local apt repos?? |
| 06:25.43 | smw | mad_noob, actually, I think I just used an apt-proxy |
| 06:26.22 | smw | mad_noob, look at the apt-cacher package |
| 06:26.30 | mad_noob | ok sweet! |
| 06:26.51 | rwp | I use apt-cacher-ng |
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| 06:27.03 | Haris_ | http://pastebin.com/Sw9extU0 |
| 06:27.59 | themill | Haris_: you don't have a locally compiled mysql there as well do you? |
| 06:28.16 | Haris_ | hmm |
| 06:28.30 | themill | is looking at ~/work/mysql in that paste suspiciously |
| 06:28.49 | Haris_ | I have postgresql |
| 06:28.55 | Haris_ | that's where I backed up the /etc/mysql |
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| 06:29.02 | Haris_ | before installing mysql 5.1 |
| 06:29.24 | themill | ok. So what's in the mysql log when you try restarting mysql from its init script? |
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| 06:29.31 | rwp | Did you make a full database backup? mysqldump? |
| 06:29.39 | Haris_ | that's it. I have nothing in log |
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| 06:30.24 | themill | Haris_: Can you pastebin your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 06:31.03 | themill | Haris_: also look in daemon.log for mysql error messages |
| 06:31.34 | Haris_ | hmm |
| 06:32.00 | boudiccas | Haris_: you left before i asked if you were going to do your upgrade unattended overnight. because the system would halt and await some response from you. |
| 06:32.07 | rwp | I had a similar problem during an upgrade. I had a full backup. I purged. Then did a fresh install. Then restored the database from my backup. |
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| 06:32.38 | Haris_ | boudiccas: my bad |
| 06:32.57 | Haris_ | There's no loss of DB |
| 06:33.05 | Haris_ | Its just the DMBS is not starting |
| 06:33.09 | peterrooney | I highly recommend screen or tmux for upgrades. |
| 06:33.28 | Haris_ | Even if I had 100% loss of DB, I could get a fresh copy from the replication master for it in no time |
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| 06:34.01 | Haris_ | peterrooney: I'm on a laptop with a reliable connection. for this specific case. I'm fairly confident I'm ok |
| 06:34.03 | rwp | peterrooney, Agreed. I always use screen. It has saved me several times from network problem.s |
| 06:34.23 | themill | Haris_: daemon.log? my.cnf? |
| 06:34.30 | Haris_ | checking |
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| 06:36.10 | peterrooney | Whenever I muck with network settings, I make an at job to restore them in five minutes. Does that mean I'm paranoid? |
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| 06:36.31 | Haris_ | mysql's tables haven't been upgraded |
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| 06:36.40 | Haris_ | that's what it is complaining about |
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| 06:36.52 | themill | peterrooney: at or just a "sleep ... && ..." in another shell in screen. |
| 06:36.57 | themill | Haris_: pastebin? |
| 06:37.03 | Haris_ | hold pls |
| 06:37.26 | rwp | Only the paranoid survive. |
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| 06:38.30 | rwp | peterrooney, I usually have another window with sleep 300 && shutdown -r +5 |
| 06:38.33 | peterrooney | themill: that would be too easy. |
| 06:38.59 | rwp | But that only works if you think the boot files are going to be good to boot. |
| 06:39.07 | Haris_ | http://pastebin.com/KQNiXxBx |
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| 06:39.29 | Haris_ | lol |
| 06:39.38 | Haris_ | I'm paranoid I upgraded from grub 0.9x to 2.0 |
| 06:39.54 | Haris_ | rebooted once. but since then I ran upgrade-from-legacy-grub |
| 06:39.58 | themill | Haris_: did you read what dpkg told you about mysql squeeze? |
| 06:40.30 | Haris_ | yes |
| 06:40.43 | Haris_ | let me re-check the config |
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| 06:41.39 | themill | «Apr 23 07:35:08 smtp01 mysqld: 130423 7:35:08 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb'» is exactly what dpkg was warning about |
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| 06:50.29 | Haris | mysql is up |
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| 06:50.42 | Haris | commented that option. I don't have bdb stuff on this mysql implementation |
| 06:50.50 | Haris | mysql folks say its not needed in 5.1 anyway |
| 06:51.20 | themill | indeed... and they made it so that having the unneeded option was an error |
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| 07:00.49 | BigWig_ | hello |
| 07:00.55 | BigWig_ | can someone help me with my system clock? |
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| 07:02.03 | Haris | how to upgrade a package to a more recent version if I acquire the relevant .deb file from vendor site |
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| 07:02.18 | Haris | I have pdns-static_3.2-1_i386.deb |
| 07:02.25 | Haris | for squeeze |
| 07:03.04 | themill | Haris: or you could upgrade to wheezy which has 3.1. |
| 07:03.58 | Haris | I need the pdnssec utility |
| 07:04.05 | Haris | it checks for db corruption or problem in records |
| 07:04.16 | Haris | when backend is mysql |
| 07:04.28 | themill | and is part of pdns 3.1 |
| 07:04.52 | Haris | I'll upgrade to wheezy when its at least stable |
| 07:04.59 | Haris | This is a production box. AUTH NS #1 |
| 07:05.04 | themill | !pal Haris |
| 07:05.04 | dpkg | points at Haris and laughs |
| 07:05.05 | Haris | am not going to put it to risk |
| 07:05.19 | themill | and yet you have done so by not maintaining for the past few years |
| 07:05.43 | themill | In any case, wheezy isn't going to change much between now and release in 12 days |
| 07:05.52 | Haris | well, I took charge of this setup nearly a year ago. so not for that many years. but yes |
| 07:06.04 | themill | (also pdnssec is not about db corruption, it's about dnssec) |
| 07:06.23 | Haris | upgrading from squeeze > wheezy will require one more reboot |
| 07:06.25 | Haris | lol |
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| 07:06.48 | themill | of course. And you'll have a reboot whenever someone finds something in the kernel that needs fixing... |
| 07:06.54 | Haris | can the packages be upgraded from 32bit to 64 bit during an upgrade ? |
| 07:07.56 | themill | did you say "production machine"? |
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| 07:08.20 | smw | Haris, I don't know if it is possible. But it sounds like a fun way to break to things |
| 07:08.46 | Haris | well, an upgrade is replacement of existing packages with new versions |
| 07:08.52 | Haris | Conceptually, it should be possible |
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| 07:09.04 | Haris | the config generally remains the same |
| 07:09.06 | smw | Haris, sure, that is why I say it is a fun way to break things |
| 07:09.10 | Haris | generally = for the most part |
| 07:09.34 | Haris | perhaps DB conversions are required as a result. that's why |
| 07:09.38 | smw | I didn't say it was impossible. It also isn't impossible to install gentoo from a running debian. It is actually quite fun to attempt |
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| 07:10.25 | rjsalts | Haris: You can't do it on squeeze, but wheezy supports multiarch |
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| 07:10.30 | smw | Haris, it would scare me immensely if the mysql database format depended on the architecture |
| 07:10.46 | themill | smw: I've played with other dbs where that is exactly the case |
| 07:11.03 | smw | themill, but not mysql :-) |
| 07:11.07 | Haris | how is it with postgresql |
| 07:11.07 | themill | Haris: you have to keep your essential utilities running the entire time. This is quite nontrivial. The dpkg developers have had a play with this and it's pretty much possible to cross-grade from i386 to amd64... but it's a deeply ugly process |
| 07:11.16 | rjsalts | agreed, it's a binary format on disk, is can easily be architecture dependent |
| 07:11.45 | themill | (as could any blobs you're sticking into the db if that sort of thing does it for you) |
| 07:11.46 | Haris | I agree |
| 07:12.00 | rjsalts | not for the faint of heart, and you'd want to test it a few times with a duplicate of the box if you thought it was important that things turned out okay at the end |
| 07:12.37 | rjsalts | postgres dumps the db out to text during upgrades |
| 07:12.51 | rjsalts | of major versions |
| 07:12.54 | Haris | excellent |
| 07:13.14 | rjsalts | man pg_upgradecluster, etc. |
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| 07:14.46 | rjsalts | but once you hit wheezy multiarch means you could do dpkg --add-architecture amd64 and install any packages you needed to be 64 bit |
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| 07:16.07 | themill | s/any/some, hopefully all/ |
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| 07:17.04 | rwp | BigWig_, What is wrong with your system clock? |
| 07:17.10 | Haris | does debian save old configs for apache or lighttpd during upgrades ? |
| 07:17.14 | Haris | I may have missed those |
| 07:17.24 | BigWig_ | It's displaying UT time |
| 07:17.31 | BigWig_ | ntp servers are returning UT time |
| 07:17.34 | themill | BigWig_: is this in debian or ubuntu? |
| 07:17.37 | BigWig_ | Ubuntu |
| 07:17.44 | BigWig_ | Nobody on the ubuntu responded :( |
| 07:18.00 | BigWig_ | *channel. |
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| 07:18.27 | themill | Haris: you of course had backups anyway :) changes you have made should result in backups being made or you being prompted about what to do during the upgrade. |
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| 07:18.43 | themill | Haris: you may also be interested in the "etckeeper" package. Highly recommended. |
| 07:18.49 | rwp | BigWig_, Run: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 07:19.14 | themill | BigWig_: I think rwp is offering to help you in #ubuntu |
| 07:19.51 | rwp | Point taken. |
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| 07:20.38 | BigWig_ | rwp: You. Are. The. Best. |
| 07:20.43 | themill | rwp: :) thanks |
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| 07:21.02 | rjsalts | Haris: if it's marked as a config file it will often leave a foo.dpkg-dist for the maintainer's version, foo.dpkg-old for an old locally maintained copy, or foo.ucf-(dist|old) if the package is using ucf to apply diffs |
| 07:21.15 | rwp | Wow. 1654 nicks in #ubuntu and no one knows how to set the default timezone. (shakes head) |
| 07:21.18 | BigWig_ | I've god a big stupid grin on my face because of you |
| 07:21.25 | BigWig_ | *got |
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| 07:21.56 | rjsalts | Haris: but hard to tell files you deleted, or that are totally new, etc. |
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| 07:22.25 | themill | files you deleted will not come back during an upgrade |
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| 07:23.07 | smw | rwp, either that... or they think he should just google it. The Ubuntu wiki explains it quite well |
| 07:23.23 | rjsalts | unless you take steps with dpkg --force-confmiss |
| 07:23.49 | smw | rwp, perhaps I am a bit touchy being I just converted to the one true religion over the weekend. (ubuntu -> debian) :-) |
| 07:23.52 | rwp | To be honest I hadn't read that he was running Ubuntu when I offered that hint. (shrug) |
| 07:25.22 | BigWig_ | I played with debian for a bit (which is why I knew this channel would be more lively). I switched because of a problem I though was pacticular to debian, ended up being wrong and regretting the switch :( |
| 07:25.23 | rjsalts | smw: what're you talking about nixos is the one true religion |
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| 07:26.12 | Haris | lighttpd.conf.dpkg-dist |
| 07:26.15 | Haris | what's this file ? |
| 07:26.25 | Haris | is it created when upgrades are performed ? package or OS upgrades ? |
| 07:26.35 | themill | Haris: rjsalts just explained that |
| 07:26.39 | smw | rjsalts, I had to look it up, but it certainly looks like something you can start a religion with |
| 07:27.09 | rjsalts | Haris: it's the contents of the config distributed by the package maintainer that you chose not to install |
| 07:27.15 | Haris | scrolls up |
| 07:27.15 | smw | rjsalts, god I wish you had not shown me that... now I want to play with it |
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| 07:29.08 | Haris | it hasn't left .old files |
| 07:29.11 | Haris | :[ |
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| 07:29.41 | rjsalts | Haris: because you chose not to install the package maintainer's version |
| 07:29.54 | Haris | so the original config is still there ? |
| 07:30.00 | rjsalts | Haris: yes |
| 07:30.26 | Haris | then why isn't it working |
| 07:30.27 | Haris | hmm |
| 07:30.31 | rjsalts | Haris: if you install the new version your original file goes in .dpkg-old |
| 07:31.19 | themill | Haris: there's no guarantee that an old config file will work with a new version of the software. Quite the opposite, in many cases, just like the mysql fun you recently had. |
| 07:31.42 | Haris | yes |
| 07:31.46 | rjsalts | Haris: look in /usr/share/doc/pkgname/NEWS.Debian.gz and it might mention stuff like that |
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| 07:32.16 | Haris | it sok |
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| 07:32.18 | themill | Haris: if this is the upstream .debs for pdns stuff, then you should ask them about them |
| 07:32.19 | Haris | the config is ok |
| 07:32.24 | rjsalts | Haris: and you can also do vimdiff or what have you of /etc/foo.conf and /etc/foo.conf.dpkg-dist |
| 07:32.32 | Haris | I believe its unable to connect to remote mysql. that's why its not working |
| 07:32.33 | Haris | hold please |
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| 07:33.08 | themill | Haris: there's a #powerdns on irc.oftc.net |
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| 07:33.33 | Haris | pdns is ok |
| 07:33.35 | Haris | that's done |
| 07:33.39 | Haris | I'm looking at another service |
| 07:33.48 | Haris | I appreciate it. Please hold |
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| 07:36.59 | loaden | hello, does anyone try start gnome-shell from X? |
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| 07:39.49 | loaden | Does anyone use expert mode for install? |
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| 07:40.27 | apm1 | loaden, loads of people |
| 07:40.27 | themill | !anyone |
| 07:40.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 07:46.10 | loaden | sorry, I am newbie. |
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| 07:47.07 | loaden | I am try to install gnome-shell, I'm did this step: |
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| 07:47.34 | loaden | sudo apt-get install xorg gnome-shell --no-install-recommends |
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| 07:47.44 | loaden | then `startx`, no luck. |
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| 07:51.28 | histo | loaden: what do you mean no luck does X load? |
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| 07:52.21 | loaden | histo: I can't see any GUIs |
| 07:52.35 | loaden | histo: it's show nothing. |
| 07:52.36 | rwp | loaden, pastebin your errors from startx. pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
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| 07:53.07 | loaden | rwp: thx, I will look in. |
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| 07:54.02 | histo | loaden: Does it load to a grey or black screen when you startx ? |
| 07:54.20 | histo | loaden: also startx doesnt' just automatically load gnome-shell |
| 07:54.35 | histo | loaden: you ahve to tell it to in your .xinitrc if you don't want to use a login manager |
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| 07:55.37 | loaden | histo: thx, It's load to a black screen. |
| 07:55.57 | histo | loaden: How are you telling it to load gnome-shell? |
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| 07:57.02 | histo | loaden: in your ~/.xinitrc put exec gnome-session then startx will load gnome |
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| 07:57.52 | jpw | alternativel run `update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` to set the system default |
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| 07:59.18 | loaden | histo: I think I got the reason, the `gnome-session` does not install. |
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| 07:59.45 | histo | jpw: what? |
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| 08:00.06 | histo | lwrong user sorry |
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| 08:00.45 | loaden | histo: after run `startx`, it's say `gnome-session: not found` |
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| 08:01.25 | histo | jpw: is there some wierd debian thing that I am missing here why that wouldn't work from .xinitrc |
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| 08:02.24 | loaden | histo: after `sudo apt-get install gnome-session --no-install-recommends`, it's works now. thx. |
| 08:02.32 | jpw | histo: it would but the .xinitrc is a per user setting. the update-alternatives command sets up symlinks in /etc/alternatives |
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| 08:03.28 | loaden | I just remove the .xinitrc, and I can use `startx` to open the `gnome-shell` now. |
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| 08:12.07 | larzix | i was rsyncing some dirs to external driver, playing with another chroot, i rebooted and now when i select user and login, screen blinks for a sec and the same login prompt appears , login works on CTRL+ALT+F1 console |
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| 08:12.56 | larzix | can i fix this or do i have to re-install ? |
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| 08:14.12 | jpw | larzix: can you post some recent lines from /var/log/Xorg.* |
| 08:15.08 | histo | larzix: reinstalling pfft windows mentality |
| 08:15.16 | larzix | i know :) |
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| 08:15.24 | jpw | larzix: i am making certian assumptions on your support request like you do use X and X has worked previously. |
| 08:15.39 | jpw | correct me if im wrong |
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| 08:17.01 | larzix | jpw: yes has been working until 5 min ago |
| 08:17.12 | larzix | uploading log |
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| 08:20.04 | larzix | jpw: http://mina.3owl.com/x.log |
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| 08:26.03 | jpw | larzix: have you got an /etx/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 08:26.20 | ksk | hey guys. if i maintain a server where a 3rd party can upload stuff via ftp and they use probably windows and they use german "umlaut" (like äöa) as filenames its kinda broken in ls etc- how can i find out what exactly some of this questionmark-inside-diamond signs is? (charset, whatever) |
| 08:26.20 | larzix | yes sec |
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| 08:26.29 | jpw | larzix: no need to upload it |
| 08:26.49 | jpw | larzix: can you just rename it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and run `startx` again |
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| 08:27.45 | nevyn | ksk: what ssh client are you using? |
| 08:29.14 | larzix | jpw: will reboot and login on HDD, im on liveCD |
| 08:29.17 | themill | ,i convmv |
| 08:29.18 | judd | Package convmv (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: filename encoding conversion tool. Version: 1.12-2; Size: 19.6k; Installed: 88k |
| 08:29.22 | themill | ksk: ^^ |
| 08:29.47 | themill | ksk: there are also plugins for things like nautilus to do that |
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| 08:32.20 | ootput | Hi. Is there a way to obtain a list of packages that were installed as 'suggestions' from other packages? |
| 08:32.46 | ootput | - on a global level (ie not for specific packages) |
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| 08:36.22 | jpw | ootput: afaik no suggestions are installed automatically. you must install them manually. |
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| 08:38.28 | ootput | jpw: oh thanks |
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| 08:41.11 | ksk | nevyn: openssh? :< themill no graphical-foo pls :P |
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| 08:41.38 | dannyLopez | C U |
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| 08:41.44 | ksk | i just wanted to find out what kind of chars that are to handle them inside a script |
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| 08:43.18 | themill | ksk: convmv is a command line application. Perhaps you should look at it more closely. |
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| 08:49.31 | nyuszika7h | what the actual f**k |
| 08:49.33 | nyuszika7h | Aborting downgrade from (at least) 10.0 to 5.5. |
| 08:49.34 | nyuszika7h | If are sure you want to downgrade to 5.5, remove the file |
| 08:49.36 | nyuszika7h | /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag and try installing again. |
| 08:49.46 | nyuszika7h | there is nothing in /var/lib/mysql at all |
| 08:49.55 | nyuszika7h | what the hell is it complaining about |
| 08:49.57 | nyuszika7h | stupid dpkg |
| 08:50.17 | nyuszika7h | I am NOT downgrading, I removed all mysql/mariadb packages and doing a CLEAN INSTALL. |
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| 08:51.25 | thechef | nyuszika7h: So you purged the packages? |
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| 08:51.36 | nyuszika7h | yes |
| 08:51.54 | dexta | morning |
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| 08:54.26 | nyuszika7h | battery low, I might disappear :/ |
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| 08:57.58 | ksk | themill: thanks |
| 08:58.13 | nyuszika7h | nvm, turns out I didn't have read access to /var/lib/mysql |
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| 09:03.55 | MrHatter | is it OK to upgrade to testing now before wheezy is released using 'testing' in apt, then switch it to stable when it is released ? |
| 09:04.46 | nyuszika7h | MrHatter: you should use 'wheezy' |
| 09:05.14 | nyuszika7h | if you want to switch to stable immediately after release, then use the code name to stay on that release |
| 09:05.40 | jpw | indeed do not upgrade to testing now - your sustem will melt in a few weeks time when unstable code is put inn there. |
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| 09:06.10 | nyuszika7h | wheezy is safe, right? I'm using it right now |
| 09:06.21 | jpw | as nyuszika7h said use 'wheezy' to ensure thing's don't breal |
| 09:06.26 | jpw | s/breal/break/ |
| 09:06.33 | MrHatter | ok cool, so changing apt from squeeze to wheezy will not upset anything when wheezy becomes 'stable' |
| 09:06.56 | jpw | correct |
| 09:07.10 | MrHatter | and i understand any RC bugs if they are relevant will be my problem |
| 09:07.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell MrHatter -about wheezy release notes |
| 09:07.54 | MrHatter | I had a look at the RC bugs, but couldn't see any real reason not to do it now, as I want the new virtualbox now. |
| 09:08.33 | MrHatter | are the backports frozen now because it's so close to release ? |
| 09:08.34 | babilen | MrHatter: Follow the release notes during the upgrade :) |
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| 09:08.52 | babilen | MrHatter: Backports are done from testing, so yes ... |
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| 09:09.43 | MrHatter | any RC bugs you guys are waiting to be fixed before upgrading ? |
| 09:09.50 | et | i'm kind of surprised there's no mention of nouveau in the release notes, as that required manual intervention from me during the move from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 09:10.48 | babilen | et: Oh, could you elaborate on that and, preferably, also file a bug against release-notes? |
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| 09:11.15 | babilen | et: How did you have to intervene? |
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| 09:12.41 | et | the nouveau in wheezy did not like my graphics card (nvidia gtx 570) (=hang on boot) so i had to make sure nouveau.modeset=0 was on the linux ... line when booting |
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| 09:15.18 | et | from googling i gathered that the nouveau kernel driver is too old for the fermi architecture, but i guess that if every fermi card was affected more people would've complained |
| 09:15.20 | zetheroo | what is "sid/wheezy"? |
| 09:15.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell zetheroo -about sid |
| 09:15.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell zetheroo -about unstable |
| 09:15.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell zetheroo -about wheezy |
| 09:16.09 | babilen | zetheroo: And so on ... You might also want to read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html |
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| 09:16.34 | zetheroo | so "sid" is just another way to say "unstable"!? |
| 09:16.41 | babilen | yes |
| 09:16.47 | zetheroo | gr8 thanks |
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| 09:18.03 | jpw | will sid *always* be a synonym for unstable? |
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| 09:19.03 | et | jpw: sid is the character from toy story that breaks your toys ... so it's a fitting name (and yes) |
| 09:19.46 | jpw | ahhhh, now there's a factoid I didn't know |
| 09:19.51 | jelly | jpw: yes |
| 09:20.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell jpw -about toy story |
| 09:21.25 | babilen | can hardly wait for "Debian 23.0 'Troll'" ;) |
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| 09:25.40 | MrHatter | I have an rsync script that has --exclude "$RECYCLE.BIN" in it, however it doesn't exclude this, do you know why not ? is the '$' messing it up ? |
| 09:25.54 | jpw | that brings back a nostalgic moment. when a friend of work expierence when i was very young gave me my first debian 2 CD's. |
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| 09:27.42 | johndoe | im running debian testing. after a system upgrade today i get http://pastebin.com/M3f63huB (update-initramfs .. update-initramfs..) |
| 09:27.50 | johndoe | WARNING: could not open /var/tmp/mkinitramfs |
| 09:29.14 | johndoe | what gives? |
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| 09:34.27 | ChrisH | MrHatter: give \$RECYCLE.BIN a try |
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| 09:40.54 | MrHatter | ChrisH, thx I will try now |
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| 09:42.29 | MrHatter | ChrisH, yes! Thanks! |
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| 09:55.00 | Iridos | johndoe, hard to tell, but if you're running wheezy, you should have a 3.2.0 kernel, not 2.6.32 |
| 09:55.02 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 09:55.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 09:55.22 | Iridos | 2.6.32 is squeeze |
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| 09:59.01 | zooz | hi people |
| 09:59.15 | zooz | what do you guys use for building local apt repositories? |
| 09:59.26 | zooz | is there a tool for that which simplifies the process? |
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| 10:05.14 | Iridos | depends what you mean with that... but I guess... |
| 10:05.16 | Iridos | dpkg, apt-mirror |
| 10:05.17 | dpkg | apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 http://http.debian.net/debian testing main contrib non-free". Discussion forum: http://sf.net/projects/apt-mirror/forums/forum/197335 . http://apt-mirror.sf.net/ See also <mirrors>. |
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| 10:06.42 | Walther | Anyone have an idea how to solve "ldconfig not found in $PATH"? I definitely have /sbin in $path on both my workstation and on the server. Using apt-dater to update servers. |
| 10:06.45 | Iridos | s/that/"building"/ |
| 10:07.05 | Walther | The server not cooperating is a wheezy build, whereas the servers that cooperate nicely are all squeezes |
| 10:07.10 | Walther | (not sure if relevant) |
| 10:07.11 | superlinux-hp | hi. i moved to wheezy. and i cannot switch keyboard layout using right alt + right shift |
| 10:07.11 | Iridos | PATH, not path... |
| 10:07.18 | Walther | Iridos: aware |
| 10:07.41 | themill | Walther: I'd say you didn't read the notes that dpkg showed you when upgrading to wheezy |
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| 10:07.45 | themill | dpkg: tell Walther about sudo path |
| 10:07.52 | superlinux-hp | i have to press left alt+shift to go back |
| 10:08.31 | superlinux-hp | so what should i do? how can i disable altGr? cos i think that's the problem |
| 10:09.05 | Walther | themill: it was a clean install, not an upgrade. Also, if I do "sudo echo $PATH" on the server, it does report /sbin and /usr/sbin |
| 10:09.39 | themill | sudo echo $PATH does not do what you think it does |
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| 10:10.14 | Walther | sudo su; echo $PATH; reported /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 10:12.33 | Jckf | Can anyone here help explain these outgoing connections from my box? http://pastie.org/private/alzukhrirasll1vgdtutg A few of them are IRC, but most I don't know |
| 10:15.42 | Walther | themill: so, any additional ideas? |
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| 10:16.17 | et | Jckf: sudo lsof -i tcp |
| 10:17.02 | jpw | Jckf: as root `ss -tnp` |
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| 10:20.23 | et | Walther: he made dpkg tell you about the "sudo path", do what dpkg told you |
| 10:20.28 | et | Walther: sudo su is not sudo |
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| 10:21.11 | Iridos | well, but on my system /etc/sudoers does contain Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
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| 10:23.27 | Iridos | and yeah... would probably need to be sudo --login --noprofile /bin/bash or the like |
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| 10:24.10 | Jckf | b |
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| 10:24.31 | et | Jckf: sudo lsof -i tcp (in case you missed it before) |
| 10:24.33 | Jckf | ss -tnp took the machine offline |
| 10:24.46 | Jckf | Which is great... |
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| 10:27.28 | Jckf | Why would that break networking? And will it possibly come back, or do I have to call someone to have the box rebooted? |
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| 10:29.30 | jpw | it shouldn't have... |
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| 10:29.56 | jpw | it's an updated version of netstat. |
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| 10:45.19 | Haris | Hello all |
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| 10:45.35 | Haris | On which archive mirror can I find the whole files/folder tree for lenny ? |
| 10:45.42 | Haris | I need to check what version of pdns shipped with lenny |
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| 10:48.15 | bolt | !tell Haris about ado |
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| 10:49.36 | Haris | I'm at http://debian.volia.net/debian-archive/debian/dists/lenny/main/ and http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/lenny/main/ |
| 10:49.39 | Haris | I can't find the files |
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| 10:50.17 | Haris | hmm |
| 10:50.28 | Haris | I found what I need. But I haven't found the folder tree for lenny yet |
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| 10:52.32 | jpw | Haris: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pdns |
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| 10:52.45 | jpw | Haris: look for files with 'lenny' in the title. |
| 10:52.56 | Haris | aha! |
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| 10:53.12 | Haris | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pdns/pdns-backend-geo_2.9.21.2-1+lenny1_i386.deb |
| 10:53.14 | Haris | got it |
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| 10:53.48 | Rick21 | Hey! I am new to debian. Are there options to change the default desktop layout? Always going to the right corner just to see which windows are open is too time consuming for me. How can I get a tray or something? sorry. Newbie |
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| 10:54.38 | jpw | Rick21: are you new to linux or just new to debian? What desktop environment are you using? |
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| 10:56.02 | Rick21 | New to Linux on my desktop. I know some webserver basics, but you could say I'm new to Linux in general jpw. I'm using debian wheezy (RC1 installer) with default desktop (gnome) |
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| 10:56.41 | jonno888 | hi |
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| 10:59.15 | daemonza | Rick21 maybe try out some other window managers? |
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| 10:59.40 | ChrisH | Rick21: KDE has such a tray as you are looking for. |
| 10:59.41 | daemonza | I quite like http://openbox.org as a personal faviroute |
| 10:59.53 | daemonza | and then getting a dock for openbox |
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| 11:00.15 | Rick21 | thanks daemonza and ChrisH. Will look this up. |
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| 11:00.30 | daemonza | http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Screenshots |
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| 11:15.26 | Rick21 | One more question. How do I enable open windows to show at the bottom of the screen? Just like in xfce or so |
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| 12:03.00 | superlinux-hp | i am on wheezy now. |
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| 12:33.34 | drasko | hi all, how to prepare Debian Testing USB key for installation - can somebody point me to some instructions please |
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| 12:35.41 | caraconan | Hi there. There's a way to select DNS a or DNS b based on the name? |
| 12:36.08 | caraconan | For instance, *.domain1 -> DNS a *.domain2 -> DNS b |
| 12:36.19 | apm1 | drasko, do you want a live usb or a install only will do ? |
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| 12:36.50 | ksk | !tell drasko about usbinstall |
| 12:37.45 | ksk | drasko: see that query from dpkg. it should help you installing from usb. |
| 12:38.02 | ksk | (basicly cat $debian-iso > dev/sdX (where X is ur usb-dribe)) |
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| 12:39.11 | drasko | well, I was more thinking about grabing the ISO and dd-ing it to the USB stick |
| 12:39.17 | drasko | would that be sufficient ? |
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| 12:40.07 | apm1 | yes thats the recommended way drasko |
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| 12:40.51 | drasko | wll, what dpkg suggested here : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 seems like much more complex |
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| 12:43.17 | apm1 | drasko, thats not relevant anymore |
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| 12:43.56 | apm1 | i have successfully dd'd , cd images even not even hybrid ones |
| 12:44.04 | apm1 | and they install just fine |
| 12:44.31 | drasko | apm1, I see here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/usb-stick-creation-for-debian-wheezy-installer-has-changed-887750/ pepole are suggesting netinstall image. Can a normal CD image be used, and what is reccomended ? |
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| 12:45.13 | apm1 | drasko, netinstall will pull the newest packages |
| 12:45.46 | apm1 | drasko, what it'll actually save you is bandwidth |
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| 12:47.05 | drasko | thanks. One more question : what is reccomended /boot partition size ? |
| 12:47.12 | drasko | Sorry |
| 12:47.28 | drasko | I want put system on one partition |
| 12:47.33 | drasko | and /homne on other |
| 12:47.39 | drasko | */home |
| 12:47.44 | apm1 | drasko, just use 100mb for /boot |
| 12:47.55 | apm1 | nothing can take more than that XD |
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| 12:48.19 | drasko | apm1, I was thinking just taking /home on separate partition |
| 12:48.29 | apm1 | yeah you can |
| 12:48.29 | drasko | and everything else on other |
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| 12:48.50 | caraconan | I think nsswitch.conf is what I need |
| 12:48.54 | apm1 | sure you can there is even an automated option in the installer for that |
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| 12:49.24 | drasko | so, you suggest 100MB for system and everything else for /home |
| 12:49.54 | abrotman | what, no |
| 12:50.23 | apm1 | no i suggest 100mb for boot |
| 12:50.33 | apm1 | and / on everything else |
| 12:50.41 | apm1 | boot != "/" |
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| 12:51.09 | apm1 | one uses a boot partition only when they are using a GPT |
| 12:51.29 | apm1 | on a dos mbr you don't need a boot |
| 12:51.32 | drasko | yes... I see. But I am using this on a home suystem, and if something goes wrong I prefer re-installing whole system, but keeping all my files in the /home |
| 12:52.02 | apm1 | drasko, just start the freaking installer you'll see an automated option for that |
| 12:52.19 | drasko | I am just asking about size |
| 12:52.34 | apm1 | it'll suggest that too |
| 12:52.43 | drasko | OK, thanks a lot |
| 12:52.49 | boudiccas | drasko: quit the cackle, just do it! |
| 12:52.50 | apm1 | and trust me people who configured that are wiser than me |
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| 12:55.12 | abrotman | why does he need a separate /boot/ to begin with ? |
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| 12:55.25 | apm1 | gpt my man |
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| 12:56.00 | abrotman | wonders how/if LILO deals with GPT |
| 12:56.14 | apm1 | abrotman, it fails most of the times |
| 12:56.30 | apm1 | made me rip some hair off my head |
| 12:56.40 | Alasdairrr | lilo, haven't heard of anyone using that in a very very long time |
| 12:56.50 | apm1 | i use that on slackware |
| 12:57.02 | bvs | famous "halts after printing LI" |
| 12:57.17 | abrotman | or repeatedly spits out LI |
| 12:57.42 | apm1 | well actually it halts at the "..................................." |
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| 12:57.44 | apm1 | for me |
| 12:58.16 | apm1 | not on every GPT setup but fairly more than often |
| 12:58.28 | drasko | It says "secure boot detected, check signature". |
| 12:58.43 | unkmar | update, for some reason. An hour after my laptop wasn't booting up, it magically just worked. |
| 12:59.07 | abrotman | unkmar: we fixed it |
| 12:59.12 | apm1 | drasko, i think you should turn off EFI and wipe off windows |
| 12:59.20 | apm1 | *Uefi |
| 12:59.48 | apm1 | with a windows 8 partition and secure bot enabled |
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| 13:00.12 | apm1 | not even god almighty himself can boot debian on that machine |
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| 13:03.02 | drasko | I see that secure boot can be disabled in BIOS |
| 13:03.27 | drasko | Can however Debian add Secure Boot Key ? |
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| 13:03.53 | apm1 | impossible |
| 13:04.08 | apm1 | debian has no plans to support secure boot |
| 13:04.23 | apm1 | let alone supporting currently |
| 13:05.11 | apm1 | signed kernels and bootloaders is an evil thing |
| 13:05.24 | apm1 | even some chromebooks have it |
| 13:05.50 | apm1 | got a friend who is using a signed kernel on debian on his chromebook |
| 13:05.53 | abrotman | !secure boot |
| 13:05.54 | dpkg | "Secure boot" is a hardware restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification. It prevents the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature. While Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported. See https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot for secure boot implementation concerns. |
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| 13:06.30 | drasko | OK, I guess it should work when I disable it in BIOS |
| 13:06.43 | apm1 | yes it should |
| 13:06.53 | apm1 | beware if its a samsung laptop though |
| 13:07.17 | zykotick9 | drasko: be aware, if you disable secure boot (and still have windows on there) windows won't boot anymore, you'd need to reinstall it without SB enabled as well |
| 13:07.18 | apm1 | samsungs can be bricked if you are using an old image without the kernel patches |
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| 13:10.58 | zykotick9 | apm1: you must not have seen the LibrePlanet presentation about "secure boot". secure boot isn't evil, "restricted boot" might be. |
| 13:11.26 | apm1 | zykotick9, one word "meh" |
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| 13:12.34 | apm1 | like OEMs don't understand other stuff the same way they don't see the difference between secure and restricted boot |
| 13:13.01 | drasko | zykotick9, I disabled Seure Boot in BIOS and Windows 8 still boots on my Asus KX20 |
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| 13:14.00 | zykotick9 | drasko: hummm. well that's good "i guess". |
| 13:14.41 | apm1 | thats lucky drasko |
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| 13:15.42 | negge | hello guys. I'm renting a low-end VPS and I'm looking to reduce the amount of running processes as much as possible. So the question is, what is saslauthd and do I need it or not? |
| 13:17.29 | ksk | negge: how about "dpkg -l | grep sasl" (to see which packages *sasl* are installed) |
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| 13:17.47 | negge | ksk: well, sasl2-bin it is, but the question still stands: why do I need it? |
| 13:17.59 | negge | all I could find on google where references to postfix, which I don't even use |
| 13:18.01 | ksk | negge: aptitude show sasl2-bin will tell you what its about |
| 13:18.05 | Towzzer | I think that's used by some programs to do ssl authentication for postfix |
| 13:18.11 | Towzzer | and exim |
| 13:18.18 | ksk | also "aptitude why $package" will show you if its a dependecy of something |
| 13:18.47 | negge | sendmail-bin Suggests sasl2-bin |
| 13:19.03 | Towzzer | it's for ssl authentication to smtp servers |
| 13:19.07 | Towzzer | sendmail, postfix, |
| 13:19.16 | negge | Towzzer: so if I don't use SMTPS I'm fine without it? |
| 13:19.22 | negge | in fact I don't send any e-mails from this box |
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| 13:20.20 | abrotman | negge: your IMAP server might use it also |
| 13:20.22 | Towzzer | yes |
| 13:20.27 | Towzzer | oh,he's right |
| 13:20.32 | Towzzer | are you doing any email stuff? |
| 13:20.35 | negge | no |
| 13:20.37 | Towzzer | just remove sendmail,postfix, etc |
| 13:20.40 | abrotman | no |
| 13:20.42 | negge | yeah I just did |
| 13:20.46 | abrotman | ugh ... |
| 13:20.48 | Towzzer | hi abrotman |
| 13:20.55 | abrotman | !tell negge about why an mta |
| 13:21.02 | Towzzer | he's worried about software that might need to report things |
| 13:21.15 | abrotman | you know .. like on an internet facing VPS ... |
| 13:21.20 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.21 | negge | guess I was a bit too quick to delete stuff |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | negge: look for things that are actually doing work and taking RAM .. i doubht sasluthd is |
| 13:21.54 | abrotman | use 'top' or 'atop' or something like that |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | or htop |
| 13:22.08 | negge | abrotman: I know it doesn't use RAM in any concernable amount, the thing is the VPS seems to have some kind of process spawning limit or something which breaks tinyproxy from time to time |
| 13:22.15 | negge | that's why I've been trying to kill off all unnecessary daemons |
| 13:22.39 | negge | it's one of those 80 cents a month VPSses |
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| 13:23.01 | negge | abrotman: so you're saying I need an MTA even if the machine doens't send or recieve any email? |
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| 13:26.29 | Nyger | Hi - I'm trying to install php 5.4.5 on my debian virtual server and have troubles with aptitude. Someone willing to help? |
| 13:27.48 | themill | just ask |
| 13:28.38 | Nyger | my current sources.list - i added the last line to get the packages: http://pastebin.com/w8abRav0 |
| 13:29.35 | themill | Nyger: two things there (a) don't mix packages for different release or different distributions (b) this is not #ubuntu |
| 13:30.01 | ws2k3 | does debian have local cache?> |
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| 13:30.48 | jelly | negge: you don't really need a proper MTA to send cron reports to a remote address, a nullclient like ssmtp, nullmailer or msmtp-mta will do |
| 13:31.05 | jelly | ws2k3: cache for what? |
| 13:31.24 | ws2k3 | dns |
| 13:31.38 | jelly | ws2k3: not by default. |
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| 13:35.16 | ws2k3 | well i have a realy strange isue last friday i made a dns change on ther dns server somewhere on the internet |
| 13:35.24 | ws2k3 | all my computer my phone knows its exsist |
| 13:35.30 | ws2k3 | only my debian server doesnt |
| 13:35.41 | Nyger | themill: i guess i change channels then. Apparently my hosting provider doesn't offer debian anymore and switched me over to ubuntu at the last upgrade. I'm not to familiar with linux distros and so far it didn't affect me. Thanks anyways. |
| 13:36.46 | themill | Nyger: they might have reinstalled your system for you but they don't just "switch" |
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| 13:38.15 | Feigrim | Hello does anyone know of a mouse cursor theme for X that only changes the hand cursor? Because I have no problem with the default cursor theme in X, apart from the hand :) |
| 13:39.24 | Nyger | themill: it's a completely new system, to be precise. |
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| 13:52.30 | bolt | Feigrim: they are all just collections of images afaik. just roll your own theme :) |
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| 13:53.51 | larzix | how do i install Qt using its repository ? their rep is available at : http://qt.gitorious.org/qt |
| 13:54.39 | bolt | larzix: man git |
| 13:55.17 | jhutchins_wk | larzix: Surely they provide documentation. |
| 13:55.22 | bolt | larzix: you fetch their repo, get what you want, compile and install it. |
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| 13:56.06 | larzix | jhutchins_wk: i wanna install from rep, not download *run file. |
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| 13:56.42 | larzix | bolt: i put the repo is sources list, apt-get update and , apt-get install Qt ? |
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| 13:57.00 | larzix | in* sources.list |
| 13:57.05 | bolt | larzix: no. it's a git repository |
| 13:57.12 | larzix | it also has http |
| 13:57.26 | bolt | larzix: it has nothing to do with apt, and installing stuff from random sources is not supported here |
| 13:57.41 | larzix | random ? |
| 13:57.46 | bolt | larzix: the http one is still a git repository, served over http |
| 13:58.16 | bolt | larzix: as in not an official debian repository. debian has no control over what their sources do and can't support it |
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| 13:58.56 | jhutchins_wk | larzix: In order for packages to be installable by apt, they have to be .deb packages built for debian and collected in an apt repository (which maintains package information). |
| 13:59.14 | larzix | bolt: np for me, i just wanna know how to install through git, im kinda new to linux |
| 13:59.47 | bolt | larzix: in that case, installing unsupported software is kind of a bad move, i think. |
| 13:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | larzix: While a few projects do maintain Debian compatible repositories, they mostly provide only generic source code which you must compile yourself and build your own packages from if you want them manged by apt. |
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| 14:00.30 | bolt | larzix: there is no such thing as "install through git". git is a source control manager |
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| 14:00.41 | jhutchins_wk | larzix: It would probably be better for you to go ahead and use the packages provided by Debian until you are far more familiar with Linux, with compiling software, and with managing packages. |
| 14:00.44 | bolt | larzix: it can be used to sync source code from remote systems |
| 14:01.05 | bolt | larzix: it does not install anything. it does not compile anything. it manages source code |
| 14:01.28 | fprophet | I just did a fresh install of debian, tried to install the chrome browser package, tried doing dpkg -i long-file-name_something.deb and was prompted with dependency issues |
| 14:01.45 | bolt | fprophet: apt-get -f install |
| 14:01.53 | fprophet | tried to install a dependency but it doesnt, instead im given the error about dependencies again |
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| 14:02.09 | larzix | ok, i'll forget about git, tell me this if i download and install it from the source code, i don't need to install it via GUI , click , next way ? |
| 14:02.30 | jhutchins_wk | fprophet: Go ahead and install it then run aptitude or apt-get -f install and it will install the dependencies. |
| 14:02.31 | bolt | fprophet: the proper dependencies might not be available. are you sure this .deb is created for your version of debian? |
| 14:02.32 | fprophet | when I apt-get autoremove I'm given the dependency errors thing |
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| 14:02.56 | jhutchins_wk | fprophet: So try what we suggested instead. |
| 14:03.47 | fprophet | okay, just curious why i'm given the dependencies error when trying to do apt-get autoremove or even some other package? I get the dependencies missing error for the chrome package |
| 14:04.00 | jubo2 | Hello. I am on Debian & KDE and my OpenOffice ( 3.2 ) just quits after asking the recovery questions. i.e. It closes window without printing any error message |
| 14:04.12 | bolt | larzix: may i ask why you want to install qt directly from their repository? do you need a specific feature that's not in what's packaged for debian? |
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| 14:04.21 | jubo2 | is it possible to get some log-file or diagnostic info on OO ? |
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| 14:04.59 | larzix | bolt: if i install it from *run file, it pops "next" GUI window which i cannot access while i build a debianLive cd. |
| 14:05.27 | fprophet | is there anyway to abandon the package install? |
| 14:05.35 | bolt | larzix: why are you installing it from a "*run" file? why not apt? |
| 14:06.02 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: For some reason he thinks he needs the QT packages from their repository. |
| 14:06.15 | larzix | bolt: i dont think final graphical version of Qt is available at Debian |
| 14:06.17 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: just trying to understand why :) |
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| 14:07.11 | bolt | isn't qt a gui library? every version is "graphical"... |
| 14:07.15 | bolt | and qt is packaged for debian |
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| 14:07.40 | larzix | Qt : is app for building GUI C++ programs |
| 14:07.47 | bolt | exactly |
| 14:07.57 | bolt | larzix: just use qt from the debian repositoru, unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise |
| 14:08.24 | larzix | bolt: couldnt find one ,can you show me ? |
| 14:08.36 | wooy[webchat] | Hi, anyone here is running Debian sid in vmware? For me, it seems vmware tools have no support for x in sid. |
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| 14:08.57 | haylo | wooy[webchat]: it can work. |
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| 14:09.25 | haylo | well, i have run it qemu anyway. not vmware or virtualbox |
| 14:09.48 | larzix | bolt: qt-sdk, which version is this ? |
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| 14:10.10 | wooy[webchat] | any packages I should install? on `startx` it freeze |
| 14:10.33 | bolt | wooy[webchat]: why are you using sid? |
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| 14:11.06 | wooy[webchat] | bolt: for cross-compiling on arm device |
| 14:11.39 | wooy[webchat] | it got packages that testing debian does not have |
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| 14:12.17 | bolt | wooy[webchat]: it's also frequently broken |
| 14:12.22 | bolt | wooy[webchat]: have you tried backporting? |
| 14:12.37 | bolt | ,version qt4-qmake |
| 14:12.38 | judd | Package: qt4-qmake on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; sid: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; experimental: 4:4.8.4+dfsg-2 |
| 14:12.48 | bolt | larzix: --^ |
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| 14:13.00 | bolt | larzix: or check other related packages. qt-sdk is a metapackage i think |
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| 14:13.11 | bolt | larzix: tip: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 14:13.12 | larzix | hmm... |
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| 14:14.56 | bolt | wooy[webchat]: btw, i'm cross-compiling for the raspberry pi from wheezy without issues. if you need something specific, backport it. don't use sid as a development platform for something other than sid itself |
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| 14:21.20 | abrotman | negge: i'm saying it's a smart idea |
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| 14:21.55 | ghidnoib | when will wheezy finally release as stable? |
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| 14:22.30 | apm1 | gh0stn0te, 4/5th of may 2013 |
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| 14:22.41 | apm1 | gh0stn0te, read the title for this channel |
| 14:23.02 | gh0stn0te | gh0stn0te, ?? |
| 14:23.14 | gh0stn0te | maybe that wasnt for me? |
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| 14:24.05 | ksuhku | !tell ghidnoib about rc bugs |
| 14:24.06 | larzix | i have another question, not related to Qt. if a linux installation is corrupt (e.g graphical login is not working etc ), and i have the backup of the system, replacing which directories is enough, to make it work again ? |
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| 14:24.40 | ksuhku | there is no graphical login in the linux kernel... |
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| 14:25.26 | larzix | ksuhku: if a linux installation is corrupt, not kernel |
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| 14:26.40 | ksuhku | larzix, it seems you're talking about a GNU/Linux |
| 14:26.46 | ksuhku | Linux is a kernel |
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| 14:27.34 | apm1 | gh0stn0te, oh sorry highlighted the wrong person XD |
| 14:28.12 | larzix | ksuhku: let me give you more detail, debian wheezy default installation. |
| 14:28.57 | ksuhku | larzix, I get the picture but don't know the answer |
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| 14:29.53 | ksuhku | larzix, why not backup the whole shebang if you have it? |
| 14:29.58 | ksuhku | I mean restore |
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| 14:31.20 | larzix | ksuhku: i think i should read about linux directory structure |
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| 14:32.16 | ksuhku | larzix, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_directory_structure |
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| 14:42.24 | andreas_ | something like ftp> ls -la | more ? |
| 14:43.34 | sevenfourk | what does help say? |
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| 14:44.11 | andreas_ | not really much about it |
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| 14:46.05 | andreas_ | and i couldnt find something about it on the web .... so thats why i am asking u :) |
| 14:47.05 | andreas_ | but seems a little odd that u just can show stuff by ls |
| 14:47.35 | sevenfourk | ftp commands are limited, pipe won't work, as it shell feature |
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| 14:48.54 | andreas_ | yeah already noticed that also > does not work as it should ... |
| 14:49.05 | andreas_ | or as im used to ;) |
| 14:49.38 | sevenfourk | what it should do? :-) |
| 14:50.17 | sevenfourk | you getting file over ftp and can do with it whatever you possibly can |
| 14:50.30 | invariant | Is there an implementation of XQuery that you use in production? |
| 14:50.46 | andreas_ | thought about something like ls -la > example.txt to list the directory within a file |
| 14:50.56 | sevenfourk | andreas_: but I have limited knowledge of ftp, I might be wrong. |
| 14:51.02 | invariant | I just tried xqilla and I got a free Uncaught exception. |
| 14:51.13 | Shadur | Best kind. |
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| 14:51.45 | invariant | Doesn't such software only waste time and bandwidth? Why include it in the archive in the first place? |
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| 14:51.58 | sevenfourk | andreas_: as I see here ftp shows only "?", "!", "$" special commands. |
| 14:52.13 | andreas_ | ok no problem sevenfourk i guess i will take a look @ if there are other commandline ftp out there |
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| 14:52.18 | andreas_ | thx |
| 14:52.19 | invariant | If I draw a 10MB turd and GPL it, will it also be included? |
| 14:52.29 | invariant | (I don't see the difference.) |
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| 14:55.19 | andreas_ | ok sevenfourk dont know if u want to know but here i go : lftp can handle commands like more and stuff :) its probably the better ftp program :) |
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| 14:56.09 | sevenfourk | aha |
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| 15:25.42 | Trae32566-NE | ffff |
| 15:25.47 | Trae32566-NE | morning fail :) |
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| 15:26.30 | Trae32566-NE | rather it in IRC than on production :D |
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| 15:28.36 | rwp | Trae32566-NE, Hi! :-) |
| 15:28.54 | Trae32566-NE | yo, are you who I think you are o.O |
| 15:29.58 | rwp | How could I know who you think I am? |
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| 15:40.09 | kaste | Hey I am trying to run duplicity with scp and I get BackendException: ssh connection to <server> failed: Unknown server. The problem is that ping <server> works for v4 and v6. What could I be doing wrong |
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| 15:43.36 | ksk | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/duplicity-talk/2012-03/msg00059.html |
| 15:43.45 | ksk | kaste: google? :> ( i didnt read, but looks like your problem) |
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| 15:43.56 | edinny | Wheezy...getting a warning "invalid iomem size debian" and that I might have problems...any ideas? |
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| 15:44.18 | ksk | edinny: what are you doing when you get that warning? |
| 15:44.32 | kaste | ksk: googled a bit but didn't find anything really related, that looks good though, thanks |
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| 15:44.52 | edinny | It comes before the first menu in the installer |
| 15:45.13 | edinny | ...then goes to boot menu for me to choose install type |
| 15:45.23 | ksk | kaste: i used "duplicity scp unknown server" ;) |
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| 15:46.54 | c0myn | hello all, im using crunchbang debian on a acer laptop with an intel gma 4500m with resolution issues. I had to edit the live cd boot to even get the backlight and now i'm only getting 1024x768? any ideas? |
| 15:47.16 | jelly | dpkg, tell c0myn -about crunchbang |
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| 15:48.12 | c0myn | sorry i tried #crunchbang and i had no answer, thought with it being debian based maybe someone would have an idea |
| 15:48.28 | jhutchins_wk | edinny: What are you installing from? |
| 15:49.07 | haylo | c0myn: it has only been 7 minutes since you asked there :) |
| 15:49.08 | jelly | c0myn: be patient in their channel; we don't know which kernel and xorg drivers for intel they use, and these are important for particular hw support. |
| 15:49.30 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: What do you mean by "printer scanning"? Are you trying to discover networked printers, or are you trying to scan documents on a multifunction device? |
| 15:49.42 | passstab | the latter |
| 15:49.48 | edinny | jhutchins_wk: iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:49.51 | c0myn | haylo: right ok maybe I'm going a little quick |
| 15:49.52 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: xsane |
| 15:49.58 | passstab | right, thanks |
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| 15:50.21 | jhutchins_wk | edinny: CD or USB? In any case, did you validate the iso and the end device? |
| 15:50.42 | jhutchins_wk | edinny: (ie. the CD or USB) |
| 15:50.47 | edinny | cd...is there a built in program to verify? |
| 15:51.21 | jhutchins_wk | edinny: md5sum if you're on linux - md5sum file.iso, md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 15:51.27 | edinny | brazero says it burned correctly |
| 15:52.00 | jhutchins_wk | edinny: Ok, that should mean then CD matches the iso, what about the iso? |
| 15:52.10 | edinny | good question! |
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| 15:52.22 | jhutchins_wk | edinny: I'm not positive this has anything to do with your problem, but it's the first thing to check. |
| 15:52.33 | edinny | working.... |
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| 15:53.20 | bobby6 | can someone help me with kfreebsd ? |
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| 15:54.17 | ghidnoib | paste.debian.net down? |
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| 15:54.55 | bobby6 | I'm receiving error message using grub2 |
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| 15:59.20 | jhutchins_wk | ghidnoib: Looks like |
| 15:59.37 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 15:59.45 | bobby6 | hallo |
| 15:59.45 | Aktau | Any way to make make-kpkg accept my extra cflags? |
| 15:59.56 | Aktau | Doesn't seem to respect my env CFLAGS |
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| 16:04.44 | Ether_Man | Have to ask, but is there an expected time for when the stable releases of Samba4 are expected in the repos? Like, 4.0.0 stable seems to be in the experimental repo, but testing and unstable only have the beta2 stages, and stable, doesnt have it at all (though that's to be expected I guess)... |
| 16:04.48 | offby1 | I recently upgraded my laptop to wheezy, and found that it neither suspends nor hibernates. A little Googling suggested that I try "modprobe -r tpm_tis", which allows it to suspend. I'd now like to prevent the tpm_tis module from ever getting loaded, since it offers me no benefit. How can I do that? |
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| 16:07.50 | benedikt | offby1: add it to the blacklist |
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| 16:08.10 | offby1 | benedikt: that sounds good. Thanks. |
| 16:08.23 | benedikt | offby1: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 16:09.34 | offby1 | Thanks! |
| 16:10.22 | somiaj | Ether_Man: unstable is 'slugish' right now. Due to the focus being an ensuring wheezy is stabalized (it has been frozen for over a year now). Now new eversion are comming into unstable and then into testing |
| 16:11.02 | somiaj | Ether_Man: once wheezy is released (it will be released with the versions it has now) development will go back to normal, and the large number of packages pooling into experimential waiting for the release will drop into unstable and start their normal cycle. |
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| 16:11.27 | somiaj | Ether_Man: stable will never get new versions, but once wheezy is released, slowly over time backports will be made for it of newer versions |
| 16:12.39 | Ether_Man | somiaj, so basicly, stable branch wont have Samba4 until atleast Jessie? |
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| 16:12.53 | somiaj | Ether_Man: you may want to read on how debian releases work, but yes |
| 16:13.06 | somiaj | Ether_Man: stable is a frozen system (which has lots of advantages) |
| 16:13.20 | somiaj | Ether_Man: The suggest route is people to run stable and then make backports |
| 16:13.48 | somiaj | (if debian will provide a backport of samba or not I do not know, but debian will provide many backports for wheezy) |
| 16:14.04 | Ether_Man | Well stable I can understand... I just dont understand why it's this slow for the unstable and testing... But ok it being frozen to prepare for stable release kindof explains that... |
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| 16:14.38 | somiaj | yea, wheezy only has 18 rc bugs left |
| 16:14.49 | somiaj | once that reaches zero and everything is finalized a release annoucment will be made |
| 16:15.26 | somiaj | once wheezy is released, packages will start to filter in though unstable and testing as normal (They are just pooling in experiemntial to keep the normal flow of droping into testing form happening until the release) |
| 16:15.52 | somiaj | oh looks like a release annoucment was made, May 5th |
| 16:15.53 | Ether_Man | Not complaining or so, but wouldnt it be better to like, do the freeze in a seperate branch? Freezing for a year means even the "bleeding edge" branches are like waaay behind :/ |
| 16:16.45 | offby1 | benedikt: works beautifully; thanks very much! |
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| 16:16.48 | somiaj | that is never how debian has worked, freezes are just taking longer due to the vast number of pcakges these days. |
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| 16:17.08 | Ether_Man | somiaj, right. But with it starting to take this long I mean :) |
| 16:17.09 | azizLIGHTS | how do people go about replicating software installs and configs between hardware upgrades? |
| 16:17.18 | azizLIGHTS | er no |
| 16:17.20 | azizLIGHTS | not hardware upgrade |
| 16:17.23 | azizLIGHTS | debian upgrades |
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| 16:17.39 | somiaj | Ether_Man: sid is not ment to be a rolling 'bleeding' edge release, it is ment to be the first steping ground on packages that are going into the testing branch. Since this branch is frozen, sid is effected as well. |
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| 16:18.25 | Ether_Man | somiaj, I know... That's why I put bleeding edge in "" |
| 16:18.25 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: what do you mean by debian upgrades? Debian is designed to upgrade on the current system, keeping most of the software and all the configurations it can |
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| 16:19.16 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: the only issues I can see during a dist-upgrade in debian is sometimes software is removed (no longer supported) and other times the version change requires new config files and the scripts are not backwards compadabile to the privious version. |
| 16:19.22 | z0ran | i have wheezy debian on kvm-qemu, im trying to install "alien" , to convert rpm i deb packages, and i cannot install it neither with apt-get or aptitude, only things that is telling me is that "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"...ani idea how to fix this, please |
| 16:19.50 | somiaj | z0ran: the actual error should be printed as well, and that would help. You should put the whole output at paste.debian.net |
| 16:20.02 | somiaj | z0ran: also why use alien? Wouldnt compiling from source be better? |
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| 16:20.52 | z0ran | somiaj, i'm preparing for LPIC and one of the exam question is about alien |
| 16:20.55 | azizLIGHTS | somiaj: for example, i have a hdd of an old debian install (all other computer hardware related to this install has been destroyed) with all the software and configurations and customizations that it would have. and then new hardware is bought, would you just plug in the old hdd and expect everything to work? im inclined to believe that wouldnt work. so how do we get to a working state with the previous software and ... |
| 16:21.00 | azizLIGHTS | ... configs and customizations |
| 16:21.47 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: the only issue is kernel compadability on the hardware |
| 16:21.59 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: if the kernel can run all the hardware, yes just plug it in |
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| 16:22.22 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: if the kernel cannot and you need a new kernel (Say via backports), you can use a live linux image, boot off that and just add the new kernel, and then it should work |
| 16:22.29 | azizLIGHTS | can you tell me a bit more about the kernel compatilibity issue? should i buy hardware with this in mind? |
| 16:22.56 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: here I'm assuming by old you mean say 'squeeze' or 'lenny'. If it is much older than that, yes the linux kernel cannot run on the newer hardware (but it maybe only things like your sound or ether net dont' work, but rest does) |
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| 16:23.34 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: you should always buy new hardware with linux kernel compadability in mind. This isn't debian specific. Note squeeze and now wheezy newest kernel they have is linux 3.2 -- so don't get stuff so new you need newer than that and you'll be fine |
| 16:23.57 | azizLIGHTS | the old hdd is debian wheezy, and the projected time frame for the next upgrade is 2-3 years. so whatever debian is out then |
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| 16:24.10 | azizLIGHTS | i guess we cant speak to the future about new things in the kernal then |
| 16:24.22 | somiaj | debian wheezy hasn't even been released yet, and if you consider that old you must have some really bleeding edge hardware |
| 16:24.36 | azizLIGHTS | no, this is just some future planning im doing |
| 16:24.49 | azizLIGHTS | i dont like the hardware i have, and will destroy it |
| 16:24.51 | somiaj | basically if the hardware is supported by linux 3.2 it will be supported by wheezy and jessi and so on |
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| 16:25.08 | somiaj | if you need a newer linux kernel (say 3.8) to support the hardware, this is doable, but requires more work |
| 16:25.42 | somiaj | adding a new kernel to debian isn't that difficult (and once wheezy is released they will be provided via backports). So the real issue I would think of is linux compadability. Some companies are better than others at support the linux kernel |
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| 16:26.48 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: my experience is it will have to be really bleeding edge hardware (or very propority hardware) that will have issues. |
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| 16:27.24 | azizLIGHTS | somiaj: ok, i see what you mean |
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| 16:28.26 | azizLIGHTS | assuming i get hardware that is kernel compatibile, i would just plug the hdd in and i would login as i would on my old computer |
| 16:28.37 | jch2os | anyone useing debian 6 with infiniband? |
| 16:28.46 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: yes |
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| 16:29.28 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: the only issue that is common to run into is network cards. Due to the mac change it will be assigned a new interface (eth1 instead of eth0) which means you will have to manually change thigns to get back online |
| 16:29.40 | somiaj | azizLIGHTS: (you may also need to install a firmware package you didn't have installed for the nic as well) |
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| 16:30.04 | somiaj | but this is all easily fixable once you boot up (provided you have hardware compadable with the linux kernel) |
| 16:30.10 | azizLIGHTS | somiaj: ah ok, makes sense |
| 16:30.20 | somiaj | !tell azizLIGHTS about 70 |
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| 16:31.16 | azizLIGHTS | thanks a lot somiaj |
| 16:31.19 | azizLIGHTS | i appreciate it |
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| 16:38.41 | hasdf | : "faulheit ist, wenn man anstatt das lan-kabel einzustecken den wlan-treiber installiert" |
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| 16:43.26 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 16:43.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:45.19 | Blue1 | I am having some wireless connection issues with wheezy rc1 (64 bit) -- do you have time to look at this please? http://pastie.org/7703777 |
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| 16:49.32 | ChibaPet | Blue1: First, if you're on a laptop, network-manager is pretty useful. Second, you need an iface line that says to use DHCP or something. You seem not to have one. |
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| 16:50.30 | ChibaPet | iface wlan0 inet dhcp and then on subsequent lines supply your wpa-ssid and wpa-psk or whatever is appropriate. |
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| 16:57.10 | Blue1 | ChibaPet: okay let see if I can find a format for the wpa-ssid and wpa-psk |
| 16:58.01 | ChibaPet | Blue1: "wpa-ssid <your-SSID>" on one line, "wpa-psk <your-key>" on the next, both after the iface line. |
| 16:58.41 | Blue1 | thank you |
| 17:00.11 | Blue1 | ChibaPet: do I need an auto wlan0 in there? |
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| 17:00.43 | ChibaPet | Blue1: Can't hurt. Have that before the iface line usually. |
| 17:00.52 | Blue1 | correct |
| 17:01.54 | ChibaPet | Blue1: That said, network-manager is really quite worth a look, especially if you move around with your laptop. Once you're regularly using different access points, /etc/network/interfaces becomes a suboptimal way to manage your wireless connection. |
| 17:02.26 | ChibaPet | (Depending on what you use, KDE also has equivalent software.) |
| 17:03.21 | Blue1 | chiba would wicd be better? |
| 17:03.30 | Blue1 | naw it won't move a lot? |
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| 17:04.42 | somiaj | ChibaPet: alias make /etc/network/interfaces very nice to manage multiple networks |
| 17:05.00 | somiaj | ChibaPet: ifup wlan0=alias -- and just have to put in the few lines for each network you use. |
| 17:05.04 | Blue1 | i would only need wireless connect in 2 places |
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| 17:05.31 | somiaj | Blue1: I prefer using aliases. so instead of saying iface wlan0 inet dhcp -- (and then essid and psk lines) |
| 17:05.56 | somiaj | Blue1: you say iface home inet dhcp, and then iface work inet dhcp. You can then easily bring the interface up/down with ifup/ifdown |
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| 17:06.20 | Blue1 | somiaj: what is the syntax then -- I mean ifce wlan0 inet aliases - then what comes after that? |
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| 17:06.22 | ChibaPet | somiaj: I used to do that, but then you get into needing scanning scripts to see what's around, and a whole bunch of infrastructure that just ends up being painful. |
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| 17:06.53 | somiaj | ChibaPet: yea I rarely look for networks. It is always 'what is the network info to get on wireless' I ask for |
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| 17:07.29 | ChibaPet | Blue1: You say "iface home inet dhcp" and instead of "iface wlan0 ..." and you invoke it with "ifup wlan0=home" if I remember correctly. |
| 17:07.30 | somiaj | boo paste.debian.net is still down |
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| 17:08.54 | ChibaPet | s/and // |
| 17:09.04 | somiaj | Blue1: http://pastebin.com/74JmRskP -- the two common ways (with minimial options) |
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| 17:09.16 | Blue1 | ChibaPet: I had to use iwconfig - when it boots up it goes into dhcp discover mode and slows the boot |
| 17:09.18 | somiaj | note replace wpa with your network alias |
| 17:09.46 | ChibaPet | Blue1: Or just remove the auto line then, and configure it once you're up. |
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| 17:10.09 | Blue1 | ChibaPet: let me try that |
| 17:11.08 | consumerism | i'm trying to install backup-manager 0.7.10 on squeeze. squeeze's apt repo has 0.7.9, and squeeze-backports does not have backup-manager, and wheezy has 0.7.10. what's the best practice to get this installed? |
| 17:11.21 | ChibaPet | Blue1: If you look at somiaj's paste, you'd use those by saying "ifup wlan0=wpa" or "ifup wlan0=wep", although I'd strongly recommend using real names instead of key types as names, as it confuses what you're talking about. |
| 17:11.32 | imbroked | I am having some issues installing everything.. trying to install default jre and i get an error 'could not perform immediate comfiguration "gcc"' |
| 17:11.57 | somiaj | ChibaPet: yea I just quikcly put something in that place...was more wanting to say this is syntax for wep and this is syntax for wpa...after the paste I thought it was confusing |
| 17:12.26 | somiaj | imbroked: can you give the output of the exact command you typed to install things and every output of that command (otherwise we have to guess what you mean by 'install') |
| 17:12.31 | somiaj | don't paste here either |
| 17:12.52 | imbroked | Im on a phone |
| 17:13.04 | imbroked | Cant paste anywhere |
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| 17:13.48 | somiaj | imbroked: what command are you using to install jre? |
| 17:13.55 | imbroked | I used aptget install default-jre-headless |
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| 17:14.35 | imbroked | Also installed synaptic but all text was squares |
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| 17:14.58 | somiaj | well unless we see the actual errors we can be of little help. |
| 17:15.05 | somiaj | What version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:15.17 | imbroked | Those were the errors |
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| 17:16.14 | Blue1 | ChibaPet: if I wanted to add a second network for wlan0 then would I just add the the wpa-ssid/wpa-psk after the ifce card, or do I need another ifce card? |
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| 17:16.35 | somiaj | Blue1: you need one of those iface lines per network |
| 17:16.48 | somiaj | Blue1: the lines under neith it are all part of the same configuration (For that network) |
| 17:16.48 | ompaul | ifconfig wlan0:1 whatever |
| 17:16.49 | imbroked | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:17.04 | Blue1 | a :1? |
| 17:17.20 | ompaul | ifconfig eth0:1 some-other-address |
| 17:17.24 | somiaj | imbroked: that is not a debian version. But squeeze should not be getting said issues. I cannot tell what you have done that apt will not just install jre for you. |
| 17:17.29 | Blue1 | so ifce wlan0:1 and then the wpa lines underneath? |
| 17:17.38 | ompaul | Blue1: it should work |
| 17:17.43 | somiaj | Blue1: no, use an alians name isntead of wlan0:1 |
| 17:17.50 | somiaj | Blue1: easier to identify (: |
| 17:17.55 | imbroked | Its a clean i ztall |
| 17:18.02 | ompaul | Blue1: somiaj has a good idea there |
| 17:18.05 | ompaul | ,v kernels |
| 17:18.07 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 17:18.09 | ompaul | ,v kernel |
| 17:18.10 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 17:18.14 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 17:18.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 17:18.50 | ompaul | imbroked: pastebin of the errors pleads - not so here so long |
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| 17:23.10 | kisisten | hi, i have a problem with iceweasel/icedove/chromium keeps segfaulting. I've tried running the one from experimental or testing but it yields the same thing. I tried a clean profile also and I've tried running it as root |
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| 17:23.40 | Blue1 | somiaj: I added ifce wlan0:1 inet dhcp -- but if I do ifup wlan0:1 it sayd there is no such device |
| 17:24.11 | somiaj | Blue1: it is ifup device=alias |
| 17:24.28 | somiaj | Blue1: so ifup wlan0=wlan0:1 -- though I would call it something easy to rember (like home, work, joesnet) |
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| 17:25.31 | ChibaPet | Blue1: You're not asking to run multiple wireless networks at once, are you? I'd be surprised if that worked. |
| 17:25.43 | Blue1 | let me try that |
| 17:26.02 | ChibaPet | Blue1: iface somename inet dhcp and then use one at a time, ifup wlan0=somename |
| 17:26.34 | ChibaPet | Blue1: Each stanza has iface somenewname inet dhcp, and you use somenewname with ifup wlan0=somenewname |
| 17:27.07 | Blue1 | somiaj: here;s where I am confused - If I name the connection something other then wlan0, say home -- how will it know that home really is wlan0? |
| 17:27.22 | somiaj | Blue1: I have said this multiple times. 'ifup wlan0=home' |
| 17:27.37 | somiaj | Blue1: that tells the interface wlan0 to use the home alias for its configuration options |
| 17:27.48 | somiaj | change home to another alias and it will use that alias (provided it is configured in your interfaces) |
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| 17:28.25 | imbroked | Pastebin.com/0ihzuyzk |
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| 17:28.54 | Blue1 | somiaj: let me try |
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| 17:29.45 | somiaj | imbroked: give us a copy of your sources.list |
| 17:29.51 | somiaj | ,v gcc-4.7 |
| 17:29.53 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on i386 -- sid: 4.7.2-5; wheezy: 4.7.2-5; experimental: 4.7.3-2 |
| 17:30.22 | somiaj | imbroked: squeeze does not have gcc-4.7 in it. If you have a fresh squeeze install you should not be getting gcc-4.7. Your bug is due to you mixing your debian versions |
| 17:31.24 | imbroked | Ok. Im trying to install the nomfree nvidia drivers and had to edot it |
| 17:31.42 | somiaj | imbroked: DO NOT mix debian versions. Use backports |
| 17:31.50 | somiaj | !tell imbroked about backports |
| 17:32.06 | unkmar | I ran aptitude upgrade over 2 hours ago and it is still Resolving dependencies... |
| 17:32.17 | unkmar | What is it doing? |
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| 17:32.27 | somiaj | unkmar: sounds like you have mixed sources |
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| 17:32.35 | somiaj | unkmar: can you share a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:33.40 | Blue1 | not getting it let me try a paste maybe that will help |
| 17:34.08 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 17:34.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:34.20 | imbroked | Pastebin.com/XBeaZsAX |
| 17:35.19 | jhutchins_wk | pdn was down earlier. |
| 17:35.43 | unkmar | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/yFH3PEJL |
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| 17:35.52 | jhutchins_wk | imbroked: pastebin.com is spamblocked on many systems. |
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| 17:37.00 | imbroked | What? |
| 17:37.29 | unkmar | somiaj: I did a dist-upgrade about 10 minutes before aptitude upgrade. |
| 17:37.40 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: paste.debian.net is down, :( |
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| 17:39.13 | somiaj | unkmar: no clue why it is taking so long, your sources.list looks fine. |
| 17:39.27 | somiaj | unkmar: only thing I notice is line 2 is extra, and you should proabably add contrib (so wheezy main contrib non-free) |
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| 17:40.09 | somiaj | also if you just did a dist-upgrade, and actual upgrade should do nothing (as dist upgrade should upgrade you to the newest of everything -- that is also an apt-get not aptitude command) |
| 17:40.20 | somiaj | aptitude uses full-upgrade if I recall right |
| 17:41.20 | somiaj | imbroked: all your issue deal with mixing unstable and stable. FIrst remove the unstable line from your sources.list |
| 17:41.32 | imbroked | Ok |
| 17:41.33 | somiaj | imbroked: then you may have to go manually downgrade any package that got upgraded because of that |
| 17:41.52 | imbroked | How do i do tthat? |
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| 17:42.14 | somiaj | you can use aptitude search to find all packages not the right version, then downgrade them |
| 17:42.41 | somiaj | or you could ignore it and hope it doens't bite you in the ass. If this is a fresh install, you could also reinstall. I'm assuming your libc6 and some other core stuff got upgraded when you pulled in the nvidia from unstable |
| 17:42.47 | somiaj | (its the core libaries that matter) |
| 17:43.26 | imbroked | Ugh guess ill reonstall |
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| 17:44.06 | imbroked | What am i supposed to use for nomfree sources? |
| 17:44.19 | somiaj | imbroked: use squeeze (The same version as your main sources) |
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| 17:44.34 | imbroked | Ok |
| 17:44.34 | lgp171188 | Is packages.debian.org undergoing some maintenance work? I am trying to search for packages and I am getting a 500 error code. |
| 17:44.34 | somiaj | imbroked: if the nvidia version in squeeze is not good enough for your system, then you will have to use stuff from squeeze-backports |
| 17:44.42 | imbroked | Thanks |
| 17:44.56 | imbroked | My laptop usea an 8200gm |
| 17:45.38 | somiaj | imbroked: that should work on the older nvidia drivers in squeeze non-free and not need backports |
| 17:45.59 | somiaj | lgp171188: I to am not able to search for anything on p.d.o. I can only confirm your issue, not sure what the problemis |
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| 17:46.57 | lgp171188 | somiaj: I asked because I wanted to know if this was a known issue or else I thought I could report it. |
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| 17:47.36 | somiaj | lgp171188: reporting it wouldn't hurt. But my experience is the debian community is large enough others have probabaly already done so. |
| 17:47.53 | imbroked | Pho e is bad at irc |
| 17:47.57 | somiaj | lgp171188: I am not sure the best place to look for such reports though. |
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| 17:49.48 | Blue1 | somiaj: if you have a moment to look at http://pastie.org/7704085 I would apprecaite it. |
| 17:50.39 | somiaj | Blue1: I belive the tabs (Spaces) are required |
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| 17:50.52 | somiaj | but not sure, got put a tab for each of the wpa-foo lines |
| 17:51.57 | Blue1 | okay |
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| 17:52.08 | unkmar | looks like I need to reinstall. |
| 17:52.26 | unkmar | which sucks because I have chrome and virtualbox installed. |
| 17:52.44 | imbroked | I feel youe pain |
| 17:53.22 | somiaj | unkmar: why? What did you that requires that? |
| 17:53.31 | somiaj | unkmar: nothing in your sources.list looks like it should be an issue |
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| 17:54.58 | unkmar | somiaj: I previously had things in my sources.list to get google chrome, virtualbox, and google talk installed. aptitude kept complaining about a duplicate line in my sources.list. ... |
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| 17:55.17 | unkmar | somiaj: I tried to fix it several time until I simply gutted it to the basics. |
| 17:55.34 | Blue1 | somiaj: no working leases |
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| 17:55.40 | somiaj | unkmar: that could do it, unforntally most third party repos do not comply to debian standards |
| 17:55.44 | somiaj | Blue1: is that the only output? |
| 17:55.51 | somiaj | Blue1: do you have wpasupplicant installed? |
| 17:56.08 | unkmar | Those items are still installed though no longer supported via the sources.list. SO, they are broken. |
| 17:56.22 | lgp171188 | somiaj: debian-www@lists.debian.org was the contact address mentioned for reporting any issues with the site and I sent an email to that address reporting the issue. |
| 17:56.27 | somiaj | unkmar: I personally prefer to download .deb's form third party for my paticular version and manually install depends. Unless you mess with pinning sometimes hidden things sneak in from these repos. |
| 17:56.34 | SuperBawlz | Easy problem, my apache server doesn't appear to be working with my MySQL server. When I do phpinfo() I noticed that it says --without-mysql in the configure command |
| 17:56.40 | Cyclohexane | who can access the /usr/local/sbin dir? |
| 17:56.44 | SuperBawlz | how do I fix it? |
| 17:56.48 | somiaj | lgp171188: they will most likely be thankful or know about it. But good pratice. HOpefully it is back up soon. |
| 17:57.05 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: everyone can access it, by default only root has it in their $PATH |
| 17:57.33 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: that is the dir for locally installed root only binaries...usually other users can run them, they just dont' have the permissions to do everything the binary wants |
| 17:57.58 | unkmar | Thankfully my /home and / are separate. so most of the install shant totally break me. |
| 17:58.08 | unkmar | just be laborous and painful. |
| 17:58.39 | somiaj | unkmar: learning experience, (: |
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| 18:01.11 | Blue1 | well don't need it twice |
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| 18:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | edinny: You'll probably need to create an xorg.conf file. |
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| 18:30.44 | steven334 | During the installation of "openssh-server" there is a "Creating SSH2 RSA key; this may take some time ..." step. Why is this needed? I mean I will not use key-based login. |
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| 18:34.23 | norok2 | is there any project to bring back to life Debian CUT ? |
| 18:34.58 | ChibaPet | Has anyone here successfully installed Debian Wheezy on a Samsung Chromebook A15? Yeah, I know that's a survey, but if the answer is "yes" then I'm probably going to snag one. |
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| 18:36.08 | Dr_Cool | can someone tell me what "etc"stans for ? etcetera ? |
| 18:36.14 | Dr_Cool | stand* |
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| 18:36.47 | ChibaPet | & cetera. |
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| 18:37.10 | slooth | ChibaPet, quick google search shows that Ubuntu is successfully installed on it. Maybe check it yourself on your trial period? (if the store offers something like that, of course) |
| 18:37.20 | bitHipy | Dr_Cool: there is a #english |
| 18:37.53 | ChibaPet | slooth: I got the play with one with Ubuntu at LibrePlanet, but I don't really want to run Ubuntu. Hoping for anecdotal evidence. I'll keep looking. :) |
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| 18:38.48 | slooth | ChibaPet, my point was - if Ubuntu was installed, chances are that Debian *can* work flawlessly, so take it on your own to install Debian. If not, just return it to the store. (if they offer something like this, which pretty sure is mandatory nowadays) |
| 18:38.56 | Dr_Cool | thanks bithipy, but I was wondering if it would stand for something else. I don't find & cetera corresponding to it's content... whatever.. |
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| 18:39.21 | ChibaPet | slooth: Ethical qualm. I don't want to buy it and return it if it's not in fact defective. |
| 18:39.22 | confusid | Hello, |
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| 18:39.48 | nell | Holy shift, resizing a crypt_luks is hard |
| 18:39.51 | confusid | I am still having issues with my video locking up. Not sure what it is. it stopped or at least failed to show issues for about 2 weeks now and then it is back. |
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| 18:41.14 | confusid | running wheezy, the video is what goes all wonky. one inch lines scattered over the screen and the machine has to be pulled from the power before I can do anything with it. Ctrl-F1 etc does not work, ssh stops responding. using ping and nmap to the ip of it also fails to show a live machine there. |
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| 18:42.54 | slooth | confusid, graphics? Does it happen on other OS's, if you had any installed ? |
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| 18:43.30 | confusid | win xp home was on it originally and no did not do that before. |
| 18:43.42 | confusid | With squeeze installed it never gave me an issue over 5 months |
| 18:43.54 | confusid | once I installed wheezy I started to have this lockup randomly |
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| 18:44.38 | confusid | sometimes day's then sometimes minutes between them. I reinstalled the system 2 weeks ago to try and fix the issue thinking I messed something up. |
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| 18:51.00 | meLon | Is it possible to restrict pubkeyauthentication with a certain pubkey to a specific ip/ip range? |
| 18:51.05 | meLon | (sshd) |
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| 18:53.33 | confusid | slooth: there is an Xorg updated package. going to give it a try |
| 18:53.39 | slooth | meLon, authorized_keys from= line does this |
| 18:53.49 | slooth | confusid, good luck |
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| 18:55.06 | jawr | hey, can anyone recommend a good channel regarding S.M.A.R.T attributes? |
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| 18:59.29 | confusid | while I'm at breaking things ;) Any links to emerald that is already packaged in a .deb? |
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| 19:01.03 | nell | Dear Debian, I'm attempting to resize my crypt-luks container. When I issue resize2fs I get: resize2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open [device] Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
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| 19:01.57 | hubert_ | hi, how to generate revdns zone in bind9 for /64 ipv6 subnet? |
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| 19:02.50 | Dagger2 | if you mean $GENERATE... it would require a significant amount of memory for a /64 |
| 19:03.05 | Dagger2 | just insert reverse entries for hosts that actually have forward entries |
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| 19:03.30 | SuperBawlz | Easy problem, my apache server doesn't appear to be working with my MySQL server. When I do phpinfo() I noticed that it says --without-mysql in the configure command |
| 19:03.32 | SuperBawlz | how do I fix it? |
| 19:03.50 | ChibaPet | nell: There might be a slick way to do it, but personally I would just back up the partition contents and lay it down again with the correct size. Then again, I have LVM sitting on my LUKS so I don't tend to have that issue. |
| 19:04.17 | xand | nell: resize2fs is for resizing an ext2/3/4 filesystem, not the contrainer its in |
| 19:04.19 | hubert_ | @Dagget2: does ipv6 support dynamic creation of revdns? |
| 19:04.34 | confusid | SuperBawlz: do you have php5 and if so do you have php5-mysql installed? |
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| 19:05.58 | confusid | SuperBawlz: I also think libapache2-mod-php5 was the other I needed to have it working |
| 19:06.57 | Dagger2 | hubert_: that's dependant on your DNS server |
| 19:07.44 | Dagger2 | hubert_: just please don't be tempted to automatically generate useless reverse entries for subnets that you've delegated to other people, when you should be delegating the reverse DNS zone too |
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| 19:09.47 | nell | xand: how would i properly issue the resize2fs command |
| 19:09.57 | nell | the crypt luks is on dev/sdb5 |
| 19:10.35 | ChibaPet | nell: Explain exactly what you wish to accomplish, please. |
| 19:10.46 | xand | you'd resize2fs /dev/mapper/whatever, not the container |
| 19:11.00 | xand | I'm not sure how you'd resize the encrypted container |
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| 19:12.56 | ChibaPet | nell: I've never tried it, but you can use the "cryptsetup resize" command to resize the container. Obviously if you're going smaller, you'll resize the partition riding on it first, and if you're going larger, resize the container first. |
| 19:13.38 | ChibaPet | nell: But, realize that you have a great chance of losing all the data on that partition. That said, if you're resizing encrypted partitions, I'm sure you've got back-ups as well. (Also on encrypted media, or what's the point?) |
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| 19:19.09 | meLon | slooth: Thanks. Was having a hard time figuring out how to use it but got it working :D |
| 19:19.21 | slooth | meLon, glad to be of help |
| 19:20.00 | nell | ChibaPet screw it ima just format and use truecrypt containers instead |
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| 19:20.04 | nell | -_- |
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| 19:22.12 | ChibaPet | nell: I... showed you the command to resize the container. It seems like you might have been trying to use the ext resizing tool on the container. |
| 19:22.39 | grumper | o/ |
| 19:22.47 | ChibaPet | o> |
| 19:22.51 | grumper | paste.debian.net seems down - known issue? |
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| 19:23.09 | apm1 | grumper, same here |
| 19:23.14 | apm1 | down for me as well |
| 19:23.50 | SuperBawlz | confusid it says php5-mysql package is not available. |
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| 19:25.23 | somiaj | grumper: its been down for the last few days, I'd think it is known by now |
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| 19:27.02 | grumper | somiaj: aye |
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| 19:30.34 | confusid | SuperBawlz: are you running squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 19:32.11 | SuperBawlz | confusid, I just realized that I'm in the wrong channel for this. My main OS is debian but my VM that's running my LAMP server is Red Hat |
| 19:32.24 | confusid | :) |
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| 19:33.15 | christoff522 | hey guys |
| 19:33.17 | smj | Hey, what's a good IRC client? |
| 19:33.22 | paxcoder | for some reason, apt-get update downloads a load of Translation-* files. It takes time. Would anyone know which (I assume) metapackage is to blame? |
| 19:33.27 | christoff522 | empathy smj |
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| 19:34.10 | smj | Is that one of those instant messengers that tries to be also an IRC client? |
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| 19:34.23 | smj | but I guess I'll try it |
| 19:34.37 | christoff522 | yes smj, pretty straight forward |
| 19:34.45 | christoff522 | there is xirc |
| 19:35.02 | SuperBawlz | irssi if you're hardcore |
| 19:35.21 | paxcoder | anyone? |
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| 19:36.02 | smj | I don't want to have conversations in a monospace font |
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| 19:36.48 | grumper | smj: O.O |
| 19:37.01 | grumper | smj: what other way to have a conversation other than a monospace font...? |
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| 19:37.19 | neal | I have a fresh install of Wheezy using xfce using gdm3 as my session manager. I enabled auto-login. I'm in the sudo group. Unfortunately, I'm unable to add wireless networks in network manager or shutdown or reboot from the log out menu. I understand this is probably some policykit issue, but policy kit seems to be running. Any ideas? |
| 19:38.39 | smj | Konversation is almost there, but it should have a separate column for nicks in messages |
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| 19:39.19 | smj | Quassel has this weird mix of English, Finnish, Swedish and language settings don't do much to fix it |
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| 19:40.01 | zykotick9 | smj: i'd suggest that xchat is perhaps the most popular GUI client, irssi or weechat for terminal. |
| 19:40.17 | Toli__ | guys, I try to run vnc without window manager, but it does not work in full screen, is there anything I can do for that ? Thanks |
| 19:40.28 | smj | okay, let's see |
| 19:40.35 | zykotick9 | smj: i'd recommend against empathy, or other IM clients - trying to do IRC, if i where you. |
| 19:41.26 | unborn | use xchat (right now) but when I am in server room only golden best top irssi :) |
| 19:41.49 | thinkerweb | probably mirc is most used irc |
| 19:41.55 | thinkerweb | I use xchat though |
| 19:42.06 | unborn | mirc :D |
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| 19:42.33 | zykotick9 | smj: i'd strongly recommend against using windows clients ;) |
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| 19:43.08 | unborn | smj, just use xchat or better thing irssi.. :) |
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| 19:49.03 | smj | I'll stick to Konversation and try X-Chat when I find out how to fix GTK+ font hinting settings... |
| 19:49.24 | paxcoder | answer to my Q: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Translate* |
| 19:49.45 | paxcoder | that is, /var/lib/apt/lists/*Translation* |
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| 19:53.50 | jelly-home | !win paxcoder |
| 19:53.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, paxcoder! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:54.17 | paxcoder | jelly, huh? |
| 19:54.33 | jelly-home | you solved your issue! |
| 19:54.58 | paxcoder | luckily, i could afford to guess |
| 19:55.24 | paxcoder | i still don't know why they were there or why they aren't anymore really |
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| 20:21.57 | linduxed | hey guys |
| 20:22.28 | neon__ | can anyone recommend a video editor? |
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| 20:24.02 | linduxed | neon__: avidemux is probably the most popular one, but they're all pretty bad |
| 20:24.26 | linduxed | neon__: one of the worst aspects of linux, video editing |
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| 20:25.51 | linduxed | i've got one of these things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_MediaSmart_Server which has nothing but a USB and an ethernet port for connectivity, so I'm wondering what the easiest way would be to install debian on one of the drives? |
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| 20:26.54 | linduxed | note that i've got a SATA dock if it would be needed, so i could probably mount the drive on a different computer and install the OS over there, although I've never done a chroot install (i'm assuming that's what would be done) |
| 20:26.56 | neon__ | linduxed, thanks, I will try |
| 20:27.14 | ChibaPet | Toli__: Client or server? |
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| 20:28.04 | ChibaPet | Toli__: Let me back up. I've got very limited experience with it. What I can say is that x11vnc lets you set sizing information. Your client ought to have some options as well. |
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| 20:31.44 | neon__ | is there a video editor that can render subtitles? |
| 20:34.35 | AimHere | handbrake is a dvd-ripper that can do that. Also mencoder |
| 20:34.41 | AimHere | Not sure if that's quite what you need |
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| 20:35.38 | rdz | neon__, kdenlive is a decent video editor. it also supports subtitles, afaik |
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| 20:35.58 | gele | in the installer, is it possible to choose an encrypted installation on multiple disks (joined together using lvm) so that they can be unlocked using a single password? |
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| 20:39.39 | Toli__ | omg I am so sorry, I was talking about vls* |
| 20:39.42 | Toli__ | vlc |
| 20:39.45 | thewanderer1 | gele, you might want to use device mapper for that and overlay the encryption on RAID - then create the LVs inside the encrypted container |
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| 20:42.10 | Toli__ | so do you think I can run vlc in full screen without window manager ? |
| 20:42.28 | gele | thewanderer1: right, i want lvs inside the luks container anyway, for swap etc. but why is it better to have raid as the bottom layer rather than lvm? |
| 20:44.18 | thewanderer1 | gele, not "better", but "at all possible" is the case here. well, you *could* have multiple encrypted containers unlocked using just one password entry, but it would require A) hacking the init script or B) using a keyfile on USB or somesuch |
| 20:44.54 | gele | thewanderer1: ok, so the standard initrd can handle dm -> luks -> lvm, but not lvm -> luks -> lvm? |
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| 20:47.14 | thewanderer1 | gele, not sure - never tried that. using LVM on LUKS on LVM is an idea, however convoluted it might be... |
| 20:48.57 | thewanderer1 | (unless the installer bails out on creating another PV/VG on an existing VG, you should be fine) |
| 20:49.29 | gele | yeah, i don't know which is the 'simpler'. i don't want any raid-like features like striping or mirroring, so lvm would be enough. |
| 20:49.39 | gele | i'll do some experiments in a vm. |
| 20:49.45 | tremon | actually, you can have one container unlock several others, see decrypt_derived keyscript |
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| 20:50.25 | thewanderer1 | tremon, I don't think the installer can configure that, can it? |
| 20:50.37 | tremon | no you're right, it can't |
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| 20:51.15 | thewanderer1 | however, it does sound like that is the perfect feature for a multi-LUKS setup... maybe it's better to just adapt the system after the installation |
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| 20:53.06 | tremon | what I've done is to perform initial setup with separate keyphrases, then use decrypt_derived $source | luksaddkey $target (smth like that at least) |
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| 20:53.38 | gele | does this require modifying the initrd manually? |
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| 20:54.16 | tremon | no manual editing, but you need to regenerate initramfs after modifying crypttab |
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| 20:54.51 | gele | oh, ok. |
| 20:54.55 | tremon | it should be smart enough to include the keyscript in the initramfs, you can verify with lsinitramfs before booting |
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| 20:56.01 | gele | so in the installer i would just do a normal encrypted installation on the first disk and ignore the second, and then i add the second later using decrypt_derived, and add a physical volume on it and so on? |
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| 20:57.11 | tremon | you can do all setup in the installer, including both passphrases and all PV's. On first boot, you need to provide both passphrases |
| 20:57.28 | gele | oh, nice. |
| 20:57.46 | tremon | I would recommend that anyway, because you always want at least one manual way to unlock a container |
| 20:58.12 | tremon | luks supports up to seven keys, so you can add the derived key without removing the passphrase |
| 20:58.27 | gele | right. |
| 20:58.37 | gele | thanks a lot for the help, i will try this out. |
| 20:58.50 | thewanderer1 | still, you'd need to modify crypttab and tell it to use the derived key, right? |
| 20:58.53 | tremon | the documentation for it is in zless /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz, haven't found many other sources |
| 20:59.21 | tremon | yes, you need to do that after the installation is finished |
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| 21:05.10 | steven334 | During the installation of "openssh-server" there is a "Creating SSH2 RSA key; this may take some time ..." step. Is this needed for asynchronous key encryption? I mean I will not use key-based login. |
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| 21:05.53 | rwp | steven334, That is the host key creation. You are thinking user key creation. Host keys are still needed for ssh protocol encryition. |
| 21:06.42 | steven334 | rwp, ok. So in case of any SSH server installation, host keys are generated? |
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| 21:07.04 | rwp | steven334, Yes. Host keys are needed before ssh can be used. |
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| 21:07.26 | steven334 | rwp, ok, thanks! |
| 21:08.17 | vespakoen | Hey guys, I am trying to install debian on my macbook, at the moment, I have dual booted OS X and Ubuntu, I made a new partition for debian, that will eventually replace ubuntu. I created a bootable USB stick for debian, but when I boot, and I select to boot from the USB, it starts GRUB (I think) the graphical thing to select what partition to load |
| 21:08.20 | rwp | steven334, And I hope that wasn't a sentiment against ssh rsa keys. Since rsa keys are arguably more secure than passwords. Just that you were planning to use passwords. |
| 21:08.27 | vespakoen | Does anyone know how I can avoid this to happend? |
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| 21:09.40 | rwp | vespakoen, Sounds like it isn't booting your installer from USB but is booting the Ubuntu grub installation. |
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| 21:11.28 | vespakoen | I see, I tried creating the USB in 3 ways, 1) dd if=bla of=bla 2) cat bla.iso > /dev/sdb 3) unetbootin-linux, partitioning the USB before, and tried with ext4 and windowsthiny-16 |
| 21:11.41 | vespakoen | fat-16* |
| 21:12.32 | vespakoen | it shows up in refit (which I use to dual-boot) and even in the apple boot thingy, both go into the grub loader, so I am kinda lost now |
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| 21:15.43 | gele | vespakoen: have you tried to boot the usb key in a vm? |
| 21:15.47 | rwp | vespakoen, All of those usb creation techniques should be equivalent. |
| 21:15.51 | gele | just to check that it boots at all. |
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| 21:16.26 | vespakoen | good idea, will try, thanks |
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| 21:19.18 | zykotick9 | rwp: while cat and dd are basically the same. unetbootin causes it's share of issues, and is this not equivilant to the other two. |
| 21:19.48 | zykotick9 | s/this/thus/ |
| 21:20.40 | abrotman | they're not really the same |
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| 21:21.02 | zykotick9 | abrotman: sorry, in this case - for creating USB images. |
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| 21:22.19 | rwp | zykotick9, abrotman, Okay. Will note unetbootin causes trouble. I haven't used it myself. |
| 21:22.28 | vespakoen | The VM doesn't recognize it.. |
| 21:22.45 | vespakoen | I have a SD card inside of a reader, but I guess that shouln't be a problem? |
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| 21:23.43 | vespakoen | Going to try it with fat-32 now, see if it changes anything, brb |
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| 21:24.47 | rwp | vespakoen, FAT32?? When you copy the new image onto the USB storage it will replace whatever is there. |
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| 21:26.22 | abrotman | rwp: not that it causes "problems", just generally doesn't work at all :) |
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| 21:27.20 | vespakoen | I guess it might be due to the SD/USB reader combination after all |
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| 21:29.00 | vespakoen | can I put the installer on a partition? |
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| 21:30.46 | daemonkeeper | vespakoen: Did you actually make a bootable card/stick? You cannot copy the image to a FAT partition on it ... |
| 21:31.10 | vespakoen | I tried it in a couple of ways |
| 21:31.23 | daemonkeeper | Using dd? |
| 21:31.25 | vespakoen | uhm, what partition type would you recommend? |
| 21:31.30 | daemonkeeper | None. |
| 21:31.53 | daemonkeeper | You do dd id=/path/to/your/installer.image of=/dev/sdcardusbpendrivewhatever |
| 21:31.56 | vespakoen | yes, dd if=bla.iso of=/dev/sdb and cat bla.iso > /dev/sdb && sync |
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| 21:32.06 | vespakoen | tried that, didn't work for me |
| 21:32.19 | daemonkeeper | What iso did you use? |
| 21:32.22 | vespakoen | (using ebian-6.0.7-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:32.46 | rwp | abrotman, dd has always been sufficient for me. cp, cat, rsync, should all be the same. I was slack about not checking unetbootin. |
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| 21:33.46 | boudiccas | any iplayer gurus about please? I keep getting this error message when downloading from the BBC ..'WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default (signed are available)' how can i download them then please? |
| 21:33.58 | vespakoen | I have a SD card (16gb) and a SD => USB reader thingy, could that be the issue? |
| 21:34.24 | daemonkeeper | Who knows. After all you need a system which can boot from USB/SD |
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| 21:35.04 | abrotman | rwp: in terms of creating a bootable device |
| 21:35.09 | abrotman | rwp: , no |
| 21:35.11 | vespakoen | yeh, I've installed ubuntu with a USB before, but then gave my USB sticks to other people, and now I am stuck with this sd card reader haha |
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| 21:35.17 | vespakoen | and a broken DVD writer |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | breaks his pinky |
| 21:35.29 | norok2 | if you dd a iso image for cd into a usb stick |
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| 21:35.34 | norok2 | it will not work |
| 21:35.38 | vespakoen | and a HDD which contains a backup, so I don't plan on wiping that one for my installation |
| 21:35.58 | norok2 | because usb disk and usb cd have different magic numbers in first sector |
| 21:36.05 | norok2 | try using unetbootin |
| 21:36.08 | vespakoen | norok2, interesting, I will try finding a better image |
| 21:36.24 | norok2 | or similar to produce an image suitable for usb booting |
| 21:36.28 | vespakoen | yeh, I also tried that, but with my own image, I will let it download one by itself now |
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| 21:36.53 | vespakoen | btw, is it a good idea to use the "testing" releases? |
| 21:37.01 | vespakoen | is testing "stable enough" ? |
| 21:37.44 | norok2 | it depends |
| 21:38.00 | useless-eater | vespakoen: for me it is:) I run many servers on wheezy too. |
| 21:38.01 | norok2 | but generally speaking i would say yes |
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| 21:38.06 | vespakoen | cool |
| 21:39.01 | useless-eater | vespakoen: its not like 100% bullet proof, but almost Id say :) |
| 21:39.20 | vespakoen | ok cool, I don't mind having to fix some stuff sometimes |
| 21:39.46 | gele | vespakoen: you don't get security updates in the same way as you do with the stable release. |
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| 21:40.15 | vespakoen | Don't really mind about security, it's for my desktop |
| 21:40.28 | vespakoen | sharing is caring, lol |
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| 21:40.49 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: testing has been frozen for about a year now, so it's pretty stable. The only things that are likely to break at this point are large, system-disabling things that need to be finalized before release. |
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| 21:41.12 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: If you're ok with downtime up to a week or so you should be fine. |
| 21:41.12 | vespakoen | cool |
| 21:41.30 | rwp | norok2, All of the newer Debian images work ether as cdrom images or usb images. Pretty cool huh! |
| 21:41.34 | vespakoen | downtime up to a week? please explain haha |
| 21:41.43 | useless-eater | vespakoen: for desktop its nice :) not everything is made to be easy installable though.. |
| 21:42.06 | norok2 | I know, it is one of the advantages brought by ubuntu |
| 21:42.15 | jhutchins_wk | I think it took a week or two to get the Intel xorg problem fixed in squeeze - but Debian was the first to have it not only working but rock-solid-stable. |
| 21:42.28 | vespakoen | ah, I thought, maybe if I use "testing" I will get newer stuff, like PostgreSQL, PHP etc |
| 21:42.55 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: Well yes, which is why it needs to be tested. |
| 21:42.59 | norok2 | now my question is.. where the debian cut project went? |
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| 21:43.09 | petn-randall | vespakoen: use wheezy instead. There's a difference between the both. |
| 21:43.10 | vespakoen | Intel xorg problem!? I think I am experiencing this as we speak in Ubuntu? |
| 21:43.20 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: As long as you have some kind of fallback you should be fine. Just be careful about updates, maybe snapshot before you do them. |
| 21:43.45 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: I don't think so. It was about two years ago, and most distros have it fixed now. |
| 21:43.59 | vespakoen | ah I see |
| 21:44.11 | jhutchins_wk | Mandriva did three production releases that wouldn't run on the standard Intel chips thoough - the older ones, not cutting edge. |
| 21:44.38 | useless-eater | vespakoen: I have run testing for desktop for a long time.. It has been very stable. the few times I get problems it mostly have had its roots in some layer 8 error |
| 21:45.02 | vespakoen | Ubuntu is dieing on me, so I thought this was the perfect moment to switch to debian |
| 21:45.18 | vespakoen | It probably has to do with nvidia or something |
| 21:45.49 | vespakoen | suddenly, the screen went all yellow, then I could only reboot in recovery mode, and while I am in there, it logs me out when I open a heavy web page or something |
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| 21:46.04 | vespakoen | anyways, I'm back to creating a USB stick =P |
| 21:46.16 | useless-eater | vespakoen: ubuntu is easier though if you frequently install things outside repository. |
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| 21:46.36 | vespakoen | you mean the add-apt-repository thingy? |
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| 21:46.56 | useless-eater | vespakoen: yep |
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| 21:47.02 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: I think that's a problem with their unity/gnome stuff. |
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| 21:47.34 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: In Debian you rarely use third-party repositories. |
| 21:47.36 | useless-eater | vespakoen: well.. actually standard debian wheezy repository |
| 21:47.36 | vespakoen | jhutchins_wk, interesting, it has been running smootly for about a year I guess (except for some random crashes) |
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| 21:47.52 | vespakoen | I am fine with that I guess |
| 21:48.13 | jhutchins_wk | vespakoen: If something is stable and available for Debian, it'll usually get adopted into the official repos. |
| 21:48.31 | vespakoen | the only thing that I need that is usually outside of the ordinary is "postgis" and preferrably the latest version of PostgreSQL |
| 21:48.44 | jhutchins_wk | useless-eater: I saw somebody struggling with it a day or so ago in #ubuntu - could have been you. |
| 21:48.44 | vespakoen | and PHP 5.4 |
| 21:49.00 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions php |
| 21:49.01 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 21:49.04 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions php5 |
| 21:49.06 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze15; wheezy: 5.4.4-14; sid: 5.4.4-15; experimental: 5.5.0~alpha5-2; experimental: 5.5.0~beta2-1; experimental: 5.5.0~beta3-1 |
| 21:49.25 | useless-eater | jhutchins_wk: no, probably not. I dont use ubuntu :) |
| 21:49.36 | vespakoen | guess I will have to go for experimental then =) |
| 21:49.48 | vespakoen | ,versions postgresql |
| 21:49.50 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.15-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.17-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.17-0squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+130~bpo60+2; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy2~bpo60+1; sid: 9.1+134wheezy3; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy3; experimental: 9.1+141 |
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| 21:50.21 | vespakoen | 9.2 would have been nice, but 9.1 will do i guess |
| 21:50.27 | unborn | what rubbish is datase? |
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| 21:50.54 | abrotman | is who ? |
| 21:50.57 | abrotman | unborn: wrong channel |
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| 21:51.17 | unborn | abrotman, i got it |
| 21:51.57 | zeeflo | Does any of you guys know of a channel/network for gaming servers? |
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| 21:56.41 | Toli__ | guys I run wheezy and I followed tutorial to startx on boot using the line in rc.local "su -l user -c startx" but I receive returned error rc.local what can I do ? |
| 21:56.43 | Toli__ | thanks |
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| 21:58.41 | jordanm | Toli__, use a display manager |
| 21:58.59 | uglybag | hey, is there somewhere semi-official or at least well-known and reputable that has debian 6 .ovf images available for download for vmware esx? |
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| 21:59.03 | Toli__ | jordanm: no other way ? |
| 21:59.29 | jordanm | Toli__, what's wrong with that way? that's what they are designed for |
| 21:59.34 | uglybag | i know google can find me lots, but i'd like a recommendation from a human-like creature |
| 22:00.24 | Toli__ | jordanm: gdm3 ask me to install almost 700mb, |
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| 22:01.50 | norok2 | try setting up for not treating suggested packages as dependecies |
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| 22:03.35 | Toli__ | jordanm: so this is the reson |
| 22:03.45 | svg | Without adding extra configuration to the system (e.g. fiddling with APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success), what is the best, stable way to retrieve the last time when apt source were updated? Been looking at "/var/lib/apt/lists"'s timestamp, but not sure if that is a valid way to go? |
| 22:04.12 | uglybag | ok, never mind, there's one on vmware's site, that's trustworthy enough for my purposes |
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| 22:04.28 | Toli__ | so no one can help me to startx with in rc.local ? |
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| 22:04.47 | vespakoen | got myself Wheezy, trying that with "dd" now |
| 22:05.36 | jordanm | ,depends gdm |
| 22:05.37 | judd | Package gdm in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libdmx1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpango1.0-0 |
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| 22:06.09 | jordanm | Toli__, try with --no-install-recommends |
| 22:06.29 | Toli__ | judd, jordanm : there is only gdm3 available for wheezy |
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| 22:08.28 | jordanm | Toli__, aptitude search '~Px-display-manager' |
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| 22:08.36 | jordanm | gdm3 is not your only option |
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| 22:09.08 | norok2 | Toli__: xdm, lightdm, kdm, wdm to name a few |
| 22:09.09 | jordanm | not sure which of those support auto-login though, if that's also what you're after |
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| 22:09.18 | jordanm | ,info wdm |
| 22:09.19 | judd | No package named 'wdm' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:09.31 | norok2 | look like you'd be better with xdm |
| 22:09.43 | Toli__ | jordanm ok I will try px |
| 22:09.54 | jordanm | just going by the descriptions, i would probably try slim |
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| 22:14.10 | gele | Toli__: the rc.local way should work, by the way. i've used it. |
| 22:15.00 | Toli__ | gele may be not in wheezy |
| 22:15.41 | gele | can't see why it wouldn't. startx is still packaged. |
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| 22:16.24 | Toli__ | it gives an error and X does not start |
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| 22:16.52 | Toli__ | if I use only startx in rc.local it starts but as no user ;p |
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| 22:18.15 | Toli__ | this is why I wonder why I would need display manager |
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| 22:18.26 | Toli__ | as I already autologin |
| 22:18.38 | Toli__ | 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f pi tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
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| 22:19.30 | vespakoen | Hey guys, me again, I found a USB stick (Yay!) then "dd" Wheezy on there, but same problems, I am thinking I may have so many partitions that my mac is unable to boot the usb stick? |
| 22:20.03 | petn-randall | vespakoen: You should have *zero* partitions, how are you dd'ing the image exactly? |
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| 22:20.32 | vespakoen | sorry, I mean, partitions on my computer itself, I formatted the USB drive, then ran "⚡ sudo dd if=Downloads/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc && sudo reboot |
| 22:20.32 | vespakoen | " |
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| 22:27.10 | vespakoen | aha.... check the top voted answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28495/how-do-i-get-my-mac-to-boot-from-an-ubuntu-usb-key |
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| 22:27.29 | vespakoen | so it seems apple is the reason my usb sticks don't work |
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| 22:29.06 | GlitchNZ | serves your right for buying an apple :p |
| 22:29.13 | vespakoen | =') |
| 22:29.43 | vespakoen | you win some you lose some hehe |
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| 22:30.22 | GlitchNZ | I am surprized - I didn't realise that they made things that difficult for the customers |
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| 22:30.29 | GlitchNZ | It is something they would do though |
| 22:30.43 | vespakoen | Only if you try to move away from their OS |
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| 22:31.02 | GlitchNZ | Thats why hardware and software should be bought seperately IMO |
| 22:31.33 | GlitchNZ | I suppose the apple licence applies to your hardware, which means you don't really own it |
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| 22:31.50 | vespakoen | true, I just had a hard time finding a machine as sturdy as a MBP and with a similar screen |
| 22:31.55 | norok2 | GlitchNZ: that's insane |
| 22:31.57 | vespakoen | but I will look better next time ;) |
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| 22:32.55 | GlitchNZ | MBP hardware is good quality, so once you have linuxed it, I expect it will be quite good |
| 22:33.08 | vespakoen | I has been quite good for 1.5 years now =) |
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| 22:33.27 | GlitchNZ | although I'm curious as to how easy it is to find linux drivers for apple hardware |
| 22:33.48 | vespakoen | but I guess an update broke some stuff, and I don't really like ubuntu's plans, so this is the perfect opportunity to move to debian |
| 22:34.03 | GlitchNZ | Most of the people I know with apple hardware have linux running on it, so I guess it can't be that hard |
| 22:34.06 | vespakoen | It's doable, I have to admit, with Ubuntu my mac pretty much worked out of the box |
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| 22:34.30 | GlitchNZ | I assume you mean Ubuntu's recent shinanigans with Amazon |
| 22:34.55 | vespakoen | and their plans to replace Xorg with their own thingy |
| 22:35.11 | vespakoen | since I heavily depend on xmonad, I don't want to see that happen haha |
| 22:35.27 | GlitchNZ | yep, looks like debian is the only way to go these days |
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| 22:35.46 | GlitchNZ | Properly Open Source Software |
| 22:36.18 | norok2 | gentoo is pretty nice too if you have enough spare computing power |
| 22:36.27 | vespakoen | yep, feels like a good partner in crime, now I just have to get the installer running, back to some poking around, I'll let you guys know if I progress |
| 22:36.59 | vespakoen | I use debian on all my servers too, so being in the same environment is another + for debian in my case |
| 22:37.00 | GlitchNZ | reminds me of Trade-Aid starts outas an atruistic plan that benefits society, gets successful, then the commercial interests come in and essential buy 'moral credits' to sell there product |
| 22:37.14 | GlitchNZ | *their |
| 22:38.29 | GlitchNZ | same result with open office as well |
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| 22:39.10 | GlitchNZ | At least the average person is getting more savvy in responding to these kinds of 'behind the scenes |
| 22:39.16 | GlitchNZ | deals |
| 22:40.35 | zykotick9 | norok2: regarding gentoo suggestion, see <greenhouse> ;) [i ran gentoo for several years, it's a "labour of love" for sure to keep it up-n-running] |
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| 22:45.56 | norok2 | zykotick9: i know what you mean |
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| 22:46.52 | norok2 | debian imho should really address the desktop user needs better |
| 22:47.06 | vespakoen | nooo =D |
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| 22:48.31 | norok2 | i like it but ubuntu is just handier, as long as you avoid canonical crapware |
| 22:49.06 | dondelelcaro | norok2: the desktop really needs more people who want a particular desktop experience |
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| 22:49.32 | norok2 | what you mean? |
| 22:50.28 | norok2 | dondelelcaro: what you mean? |
| 22:50.52 | zykotick9 | norok2: debian does fine for DEs IMO. choose which one you want after "naked" netinst, perfect ;) |
| 22:50.55 | dondelelcaro | norok2: what "desktop user" means differs for each person. Debian Developers often use Debian extensively, but that might not correspond to other usages. |
| 22:51.12 | dondelelcaro | norok2: but if you find that it doesn't, that really means that we need more volunteers who are willing to make that a priority |
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| 22:52.41 | norok2 | dondelelcaro: I understand your point |
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| 22:57.56 | norok2 | zykotick9: it is not a problem of choosing DE.. to me the problem seems there is nothing assisting you while you are required for important choices |
| 22:58.42 | zpx | important choices? like what |
| 22:59.04 | norok2 | things affecting user's experience |
| 22:59.56 | Dr_Cool | can I remove the python package if I use the gnome ? |
| 22:59.57 | zpx | a default is just that. customizing is your choice |
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| 23:00.14 | peterrooney | I suspect debian developers have more encompassing, and non-specific, definition of "desktop' than Joe. twm and xfce are as different as Nortons and Bentleys. |
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| 23:00.53 | zpx | true, but vtwm is da bomb |
| 23:01.00 | norok2 | lol |
| 23:01.04 | peterrooney | meant to say "Joe Average" |
| 23:01.45 | zpx | Dr_Cool: you mean is python required if you run gnome? |
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| 23:01.58 | Dr_Cool | zpx: yes |
| 23:02.16 | vespakoen | So I tried "dd if=/path/to/usb/with/lenny/on/it of=/path/to/new/partition" but the partition doesn't show up as a bootable thing |
| 23:02.22 | vespakoen | perhaps I have to "flag" it? |
| 23:02.35 | Towzzer | that's not required anymore |
| 23:02.47 | Towzzer | but you are also writing a disk to a partition |
| 23:03.03 | zpx | im not sure, how does one check dependencies of a pkg? |
| 23:03.04 | Towzzer | you probably want to grab the first 512 bytes and write them to the first 512 bytes of the entire drive |
| 23:03.10 | zpx | that would probably tell you |
| 23:03.12 | Towzzer | but it would overwrite your parititon scheme on the drive |
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| 23:03.20 | vespakoen | hmz |
| 23:03.25 | Towzzer | reinstall grub |
| 23:03.32 | vespakoen | let me grab a screenshot |
| 23:03.48 | vespakoen | what's a simple image sharing site? |
| 23:04.00 | vespakoen | nvm, got something |
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| 23:05.55 | lennylieklynx | exit |
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| 23:06.09 | vespakoen | that was ubuntu logging me out =) |
| 23:06.11 | vespakoen | www.koenschmeets.nl/screeny.png |
| 23:06.31 | vespakoen | so, it's quite a mess to say the least |
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| 23:06.40 | kielanmatt | hello |
| 23:06.43 | vespakoen | but it looks like it actually copied the installer to sda8 |
| 23:07.18 | kielanmatt | anyone wants to try a new game with native 32bit Linux binaries??? |
| 23:07.23 | kielanmatt | OpenGL 4.0 features? |
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| 23:08.13 | Jeudi | Anyone here with experience using Netatalk v3? I've exported the /home folder using basedir regex in afp.conf, but on successful connect I get: "There are no shares available or you are not allow to access them on the server." |
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| 23:09.27 | vespakoen | http://carlton.oriley.net/blog/?p=15 AHA |
| 23:09.36 | vespakoen | same device, same problems I guess |
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| 23:16.37 | tharkun | aptitude search ~dwebeditor |
| 23:17.41 | tharkun | It fails to search on the description for webeditor |
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| 23:23.12 | scombinator | Hey |
| 23:23.23 | scombinator | So, install recommended packages is on by default |
| 23:23.31 | PlusI | Would this be the right place to ask for support? |
| 23:24.01 | zykotick9 | tharkun: aptitude doesn't search desciptions by default, that's actually why i use "apt-cache search foo" so much more |
| 23:24.02 | scombinator | Which means if I install python-sympy, a library for symbolic math operations for python, debian will install texlive |
| 23:24.08 | nkuttler | PlusI: certainly, if you have a debian question |
| 23:24.12 | scombinator | what the hell? |
| 23:24.44 | tharkun | zykotick9: IIRC it does, yet I'm no expert |
| 23:24.57 | zykotick9 | tharkun: it doesn't |
| 23:25.06 | nkuttler | scombinator: you're installing recommends? |
| 23:25.10 | tharkun | doesn't argue :) |
| 23:25.25 | scombinator | nkuttler: debian is |
| 23:25.31 | zykotick9 | tharkun: there is obviously a switch to search there however, but i have no idea what it is... sorry. |
| 23:25.46 | scombinator | nkuttler: I spent an hour figuring out how to avoid this horrible behaviour |
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| 23:25.53 | PlusI | Using Xen to virtualize a Debian Wheezy install, yet the process is throwing a file not found error. It's saying that, on the virtual image, /usr/bin/apt-get isn't found. |
| 23:26.05 | nkuttler | scombinator: so which command were you using to install? |
| 23:26.40 | scombinator | nkuttler: Both synaptic, and apt-get install would attempt to install 140M+ of packages for a ~1M python library that only depends on python |
| 23:26.42 | nkuttler | PlusI: pastebin command + error |
| 23:27.00 | kingsley_ | When did most new computers start supporting the 686 instruction set? |
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| 23:27.17 | mshindo | Hey Guys, |
| 23:27.26 | nkuttler | scombinator: man apt-get, search for recommends |
| 23:27.36 | mshindo | anyone know how I can include m-a a-i in the postintstall of a deb package |
| 23:27.46 | scombinator | nkuttler: I'm complaining that the default behaviour is fucked, not that I can't avoid this |
| 23:27.47 | zykotick9 | scombinator: there is a method of not installing recommends on a per-package basis. or you can do what i do, and turn it off by default (really not a good idea! especially for most DEs, but for my wm+minimal-setup it works great) |
| 23:28.00 | nkuttler | scombinator: the packages are called "recommended" for a reason |
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| 23:29.03 | mshindo | just adding it results in a locking error from dpkg |
| 23:29.29 | scombinator | nkuttler,zykotick9: If it would break packages, then "recommended" is inaccurate. In this case it's barely even related - there's just some support for latex. |
| 23:29.45 | nkuttler | scombinator: break packages? |
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| 23:30.05 | nkuttler | sympa does plotting, and seems to depend only on fonts. makes perfect sense |
| 23:30.31 | zykotick9 | scombinator: my fav, is trying to setup an Xorg-less system, and some terminal app pulling all of Xorg due to recommends ;) |
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| 23:30.31 | nkuttler | ah, texlive base as well. so anyway, somebody who wants to use everything sympa does needs tex |
| 23:30.54 | scombinator | nkuttler: And can install it themselves |
| 23:31.06 | scombinator | I can't fucking believe this shit |
| 23:31.07 | PlusI | My errors involving Xen and debootstrap: http://pastebin.com/KrF77nRF |
| 23:31.11 | nkuttler | scombinator: which is not the default |
| 23:31.30 | nkuttler | scombinator: so if you don't like the default configure your computer... |
| 23:32.26 | scombinator | Installing comes before config. And if they can fuck up a default like that, who knows what else is waiting to bite me |
| 23:32.51 | zykotick9 | scombinator: i think you should "chill" a bit, for "probably" 90+% of debian's users, recommending SHOULD be the default behaviour. |
| 23:32.56 | nkuttler | scombinator: i configure before installing |
| 23:33.12 | nkuttler | because i don't want the default either.. |
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| 23:35.22 | PlusI | "wheezy" and "squeeze" end up with the same apt-get error. |
| 23:35.32 | jelly-home | scombinator: we've had to live with this behaviour for one release already, there is no simple solution |
| 23:35.55 | nkuttler | PlusI: well the problem seems to be that /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/debian is missing |
| 23:36.26 | PlusI | nkuttler: I made a mistake. "Squeeze" details what happens when the command is validated. |
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| 23:38.37 | linduxed | if i want to download a amd64 version of debian, which one of the FIFTYONE versions should i choose? |
| 23:38.59 | linduxed | not to mention the other 20 |
| 23:39.23 | nkuttler | !tell linduxed about netinst |
| 23:39.35 | nkuttler | PlusI: well, i really don't know enough about xen to help you i guess |
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| 23:39.55 | PlusI | nkuttler: Sorry for troubling you. |
| 23:40.04 | nkuttler | no trouble |
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| 23:41.23 | linduxed | nkuttler: thx |
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| 23:42.53 | lukejt | I'm trying to create a multi iso boot usb, I once had a tool which I booted from grub which scanned for and allowed you to boot Debian ISOs. Also pretty sure it was an official tool. Does anyone know this tool? |
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| 23:50.10 | dfx | hello guys |
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| 23:52.25 | dfx | i wanted to ssh from outside into my machine so i made a free account in noip.com and which is pointing to my ISP IP then in my router i pointed it to my machine into which i want to shh but it does not work i tested with my phone but its not workin |
| 23:53.07 | Jeudi | dfx: have you opened the firewall port accordingly? |
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| 23:53.36 | dfx | Jeudi: yesh i put the port 22 in the router setting |
| 23:53.46 | a7x | is CUT a part rolling release or a full rolling release? |
| 23:53.48 | a7x | hi btw |
| 23:54.03 | Jeudi | dfx: what about on the actual server machine? |
| 23:54.04 | themill | CUT is vapourware |
| 23:54.05 | a7x | i didn't find any related information on the website or the web in general |
| 23:54.27 | a7x | themill, except that which i don't actually mind |
| 23:54.39 | dfx | yeh i did it last night and verified with some command i found on the net and i saw listen on the 22 port |
| 23:55.07 | Jeudi | dfx: :( oh well. Sorry, I'm all out of ideas. I'm no guru :) |
| 23:55.22 | dfx | Jeudi: thanks ;] |
| 23:55.42 | Jeudi | dfx: if you can, pastebin any error logs related to the failed login. |
| 23:56.34 | dfx | jeudi uhmm well i have my phone which i use with an app called connectbot but it gives me time off msg |
| 23:56.39 | dfx | thats all about Jeudi |
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| 23:57.02 | Jeudi | dfx: ok. Well, hopefully someone'll be able to help you further. GL. |
| 23:57.14 | a7x | dfx, post again your question please |
| 23:57.35 | dfx | a7x: i wanted to ssh from outside into my machine so i made a free account in noip.com and which is pointing to my ISP IP then in my router i pointed it to my machine into which i want to shh but it does not work i tested with my phone but its not workin |
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| 23:59.12 | a7x | and you are sure the sshd is up, you're sure you're not behind a nat (a router in two words) |
| 23:59.19 | a7x | or not? |
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