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| 00:00.41 | dfx | a7x: ill verify if my ssh is up |
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| 00:01.51 | dfx | a7x: yess btw it launch at boot time tho but i confirm its up |
| 00:02.43 | a7x | what about the router? |
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| 00:02.47 | scombinator | Whatever. If you keep install recommended packages by default, there will be packages that use that slot for real dependencies, who ever turns it off is fucked, and recommended becomes a ghetto of real dependencies and things that are actually recommended |
| 00:03.45 | dfx | a7x: the router its fine btw must i reboot it cus if do so ill get new ip :S |
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| 00:04.13 | a7x | did you try resolving the ip address? |
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| 00:04.38 | a7x | if it's actually yours? you also should forward port 22 on your local ip from your external ip |
| 00:04.49 | a7x | as i'm pretty sure they alredy told you |
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| 00:06.14 | dfx | i did not get you a7x well if i reboot my router my machine may get new ip |
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| 00:07.03 | a7x | dfx, if it works with your current ip, you don't need to reboot, |
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| 00:07.12 | a7x | try it if you want |
| 00:07.19 | dfx | a7x: ok |
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| 00:08.23 | a7x | sshd is working, check if the port forwarding is working, then check if you can directly connect to your ip |
| 00:08.40 | a7x | finally checkc the dydns and everything should be fine :) |
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| 00:12.43 | dfx | a7x: thanks |
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| 00:13.42 | bytes | hi, when wheezy becomes stable in the coming days will the new testing also be released at that moment |
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| 00:15.44 | somiaj | bytes: jessi will be made as an exact copy of wheezy, and then experimental will start flooding into sid and sid into testing (making testing more unstable than normal during this time) |
| 00:15.49 | somiaj | bytes: it is never consideered a release |
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| 00:16.17 | bytes | oh, so if i get wheezy rc1 right now, i can pretty much change my sources and this would result in me getting updates from jessi |
| 00:16.28 | nkuttler | i can't wait for a little breakage.. it's so dull atm |
| 00:16.36 | bytes | b/c i'm not sure if i want to download wheezy rc1 right now |
| 00:16.51 | somiaj | bytes: it is suggested you keep your sources as 'wheezy', as during the initial changes jessi will only gets some of the new stuff from sid and not others. |
| 00:17.04 | somiaj | bytes: but yes, you can at any time change wheezy to jessi and keep tracking testing. (: |
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| 00:17.34 | bytes | and if i install wheezy rc1 right now, i get the samethings that i would when it is released b/c its frozen correct? |
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| 00:18.40 | nkuttler | bytes: mostly, yes. some fixes might still make it in, and maybe some packages will be dropped |
| 00:18.48 | somiaj | bytes: there will be a few more bug fixes and maybe some security, but that is it. |
| 00:18.57 | bytes | ok thanks |
| 00:19.18 | somiaj | bytes: just make sure your sources say 'wheezy' and not 'testing' as it is best to control when you switch over. |
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| 00:19.45 | bytes | alright |
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| 00:32.04 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | Would I have to reboot transitioning from wheezy to jessie when it comes out? I use my own kernel and my sources.list has "testing" rather than a release name |
| 00:33.04 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | although I guess even if I didn't use my own kernel that wouldn't make a huge difference would it |
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| 00:34.08 | linduxed | what package do i install to allow me to switch the console keymap to colemak? |
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| 00:39.28 | themill | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: you wouldn't need to reboot, no. You'd continue to run the same kernel if you wished. Remember that jessie==wheezy when it is first created and then a pile of crap hits jessie in one very rapid wave of instability... the first few months of a new testing are generally good to avoid |
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| 00:41.39 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | themill: so, update maybe sometime within the first week or so, and then not again for another month or two? |
| 00:42.25 | themill | not at all for a few months would be even better. jessie will be ~15% different to wheezy within 12 hours of creation |
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| 00:43.42 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | hm, okay |
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| 00:44.35 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | how would I know when it's "safe" to upgrade again though? |
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| 00:45.26 | nkuttler | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: testing is never "safe" |
| 00:46.23 | nkuttler | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: it's safe if you have a backup machine or debian install, or if you don't need the install to work at all |
| 00:46.24 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | well I use it on a laptop and I've never had any big problems, minor bugs such as gnome-mplayer occasionally crashing, but that's probably the biggest bug I've ever had |
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| 00:48.14 | nkuttler | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: dist-upgrade from stable to testing is never safe either anyway. once you have a working testing system it's much easier to maintain it |
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| 00:54.08 | mgodzilla | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: is that your name or did you drop your keyboard when you joined? |
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| 00:55.31 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | mgodzilla: reference to one of the hints in freenode's quiz |
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| 01:17.55 | SARC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:22.18 | dvs | SARC: It possibly gets updated on boot |
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| 01:30.02 | dvs | SARC: The script /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules generates the file |
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| 01:37.14 | civillian | I'm having trouble setting apt pinning. I'm running wheezy and I want to add sid repos. I've added sid lines to sources.list, and setup /etc/apt/preferences/10sid with release a=unstable, priority 50. But it's showing up as priority 500 in apt-cache policy |
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| 01:39.39 | themill | civillian: mixing wheezy and sid isn't a great plan just prior to release btw. |
| 01:40.01 | civillian | hmm... I'm trying to get nodejs installed |
| 01:40.03 | civillian | !nodejs |
| 01:40.03 | dpkg | it has been said that node.js is an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine. Currently in sid and experimental only, see http://bugs.debian.org/611698 |
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| 01:40.36 | civillian | There was a naming issue with the node binary so it was pulled from testing |
| 01:40.52 | themill | yeah, that will *probably* work. (node was not the only reason it's not in wheezy) |
| 01:41.09 | civillian | I'm hopeful, due to not running ham radio etc |
| 01:41.23 | civillian | and there is no current node binary on this system |
| 01:41.26 | themill | Can you pastebin pinning file you've created -- and double check its name |
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| 01:42.51 | civillian | sure... one sec. It's taking forever: pastebinit preferences.d/10sid |
| 01:43.02 | themill | paste.d.n is down atm |
| 01:43.07 | civillian | :( |
| 01:44.35 | civillian | http://pastebin.com/ztwqyTJj |
| 01:45.33 | civillian | apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.com/bNsuAASP |
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| 01:46.44 | civillian | apt-config dump | grep Dir::Etc http://pastebin.com/Dt6ghMUY |
| 01:47.34 | civillian | no errors with apt-get update |
| 01:48.23 | themill | civillian: get rid of the spaces at the start of lines 2 and 3 of that preferences file |
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| 01:48.55 | civillian | aahh dammit. that worked |
| 01:49.18 | civillian | thanks themill ... I didn't know apt was so touchy about that |
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| 01:49.56 | themill | the preferences file is exceedingly annoying in its touchiness and apt silently ignores bits it doesn't like rather than spewing errors |
| 01:50.15 | civillian | Good pickup. I'll remember that :) |
| 01:51.15 | tharkun | I'm looking for a cli cd player anyideas? |
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| 01:53.53 | themill | tharkun: you want ascii art? |
| 01:53.55 | rjsalts | tharkun: cdplay from the cdtool package? |
| 01:54.07 | tharkun | themill: plain vanilla |
| 01:54.08 | themill | oh cd not dvd, nm |
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| 01:55.26 | tharkun | rjsalts: I was looking at cdcd just above cdtool :) |
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| 01:57.24 | tharkun | So lame is finally on the official repos nice !! |
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| 01:58.34 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | tharkun: mplayer can play audio cds |
| 01:58.57 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | (and play video in the form of ascii art) |
| 01:59.06 | rjsalts | tharkun: mplayer cd:// |
| 01:59.13 | SARC | dvs: i recall the 70-persistent-net-rules being updated on reboot, but in wheezy this doesnt seem to happen. does this behavior sound right to you? |
| 01:59.37 | dvs | lame? How'd they manage that? |
| 01:59.45 | Jobbe | Hm, i've installed Debian with LXDE as the desktop manager, using wicd as the network manager, i've tried to my wifi (broadcom BCM43227) with the wl package by following the wiki page, but it dosent seem to work.. i have no clue why |
| 01:59.45 | rjsalts | tharkun: oops, mplayer cdda:// |
| 01:59.50 | tharkun | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: Oh nice, kind of strange to think about ascci art out of a dvd :) |
| 01:59.55 | Jobbe | anyone got an idea what that is wrong ? |
| 02:00.28 | Jobbe | i've tried to get my wifi working* |
| 02:00.29 | dvs | SARC: Nope. |
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| 02:01.06 | dvs | Jobbe: What is the pci id of it? |
| 02:01.16 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | tharkun: well, mplayer is just a normal player, it just happens to also have an output that is able to make ascii art |
| 02:01.35 | SARC | dvs: this could be a bug then because after reboot the file is blank |
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| 02:02.18 | dvs | SARC: if it's blank and doesn't regenerate itself and I'd say it was. |
| 02:02.38 | Jobbe | dvs sec |
| 02:03.36 | Jobbe | dvs http://pastebin.com/f4dTcgMb |
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| 02:04.54 | dvs | ,pciid 4358:e040 |
| 02:04.55 | judd | [4358:e040] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=4358:e040 |
| 02:05.21 | dvs | Well, that ain't right |
| 02:05.47 | tharkun | lspci -nn |
| 02:05.48 | dvs | Jobbe: is that the output of "lspci -nn" ? |
| 02:05.55 | Jobbe | lspci -v |
| 02:06.12 | dvs | not handy |
| 02:06.17 | Jobbe | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4358] |
| 02:06.35 | dvs | ,pciid 14e4:4358 |
| 02:06.37 | tharkun | ,pciid 14e4:4358 |
| 02:06.38 | judd | [14e4:4358] is 'BCM43227 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4358 |
| 02:07.13 | relipse | how do I chmod all directories in my /html folder? |
| 02:07.23 | relipse | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.29 | tharkun | man chmod and look for recursive |
| 02:07.53 | Jobbe | relipse, use -R (recursive) |
| 02:07.59 | dvs | chmod +x would do too |
| 02:08.01 | tharkun | relipse: ugo+x is a pain in the long run try to understand what you actually need. |
| 02:08.30 | Jobbe | dvs hm, so i would have a problem with the wifi i guess ? |
| 02:08.31 | relipse | Jobbe: i have -R in there already |
| 02:08.47 | dvs | Jobbe: Yup. It isn't supported yet. |
| 02:08.57 | Jobbe | it worked in arch linux though |
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| 02:09.48 | tharkun | Jobbe: wireless.kernel.org doesn't support it yet. You could try the lates b43 module but that won't be enought |
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| 02:10.42 | Jobbe | what would i need ? |
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| 02:10.45 | LtL | relipse: something like, find /html -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755 |
| 02:11.14 | relipse | what is 755 ? |
| 02:11.36 | nevyn | rwxr-xr-x |
| 02:12.00 | LtL | relipse: chmod 777 is not a very wise mode, 755 is execute for owner, read/write for group and others |
| 02:12.08 | Jobbe | relipse you should read on your permissions to be sure what you're doing :) |
| 02:12.26 | relipse | why would i want rw bits set? |
| 02:12.30 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | tharkun: here's about how mplayer's video outputs look like, better at a distance or zoomed out: http://imgur.com/a/MPm69 |
| 02:13.03 | LtL | relipse: you wouldnt, but directories its common, not the files |
| 02:13.10 | relipse | oh i see |
| 02:13.18 | relipse | is it possible for a person to rw a directory? |
| 02:13.46 | relipse | ok this fixed it, thanks --> find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755 |
| 02:13.55 | LtL | relipse: 644 is a good file mode. answer is only for the owner |
| 02:14.09 | tharkun | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: cool I just might dowload it to have some fun now and then ;P |
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| 02:17.16 | GinTonicool | hi guys, i installed gwget in debian2.6.32 ,when i run 'gwget' in terminal it show error " (gwget:18664): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 02:17.17 | GinTonicool | None of the authentication protocols specified are supported " what's wrong ? |
| 02:18.27 | GinTonicool | can somebody help me ? |
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| 02:24.43 | GinTonicool | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5597269/ , here is the question ,help me please |
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| 02:26.07 | LtL | relipse: i was wrong about 755, nevyn is right, pardon that |
| 02:27.05 | relipse | nevyn? |
| 02:27.15 | relipse | what did nevyn say? |
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| 02:27.34 | LtL | relipse: < nevyn> rwxr-xr-x |
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| 02:27.44 | tharkun | Is there a way to override network-manager without having to take full control of all the networks associated? |
| 02:27.46 | LtL | relipse: that is 755 |
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| 02:28.29 | themill | GinTonicool: don't run it as root |
| 02:28.56 | themill | GinTonicool: also, decide if this is in Debian or Ubuntu and restrict yourself to the appropriate channel, please. |
| 02:29.02 | GinTonicool | ok ,i'll try |
| 02:29.55 | GinTonicool | sorry |
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| 02:31.08 | Jobbe | dvs think i'm gonna do an upgrade to wheezy and try my luck there :) |
| 02:31.27 | GinTonicool | can i run gwget by click a icon ,where is it ,can't find it |
| 02:32.40 | dvs | Jobbe: Good luck |
| 02:32.50 | Jobbe | thansk |
| 02:32.52 | Jobbe | thanks |
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| 02:33.01 | somiaj | Jobbe: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy if you have not first, (: |
| 02:34.01 | Jobbe | somiaj it's already running, changed squeeze to wheezy in my sorces list and did an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:34.04 | Jobbe | so think i got it right :P |
| 02:34.42 | Jobbe | is watching scrolling text :P |
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| 02:38.09 | tharkun | themill: ping http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=netcfg |
| 02:38.16 | tharkun | ,versions netcfg |
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| 02:38.18 | judd | No package named 'netcfg' was found in i386. |
| 02:38.39 | tharkun | Any ideas? |
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| 02:39.19 | themill | it only produced udebs |
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| 02:40.16 | tharkun | themill: Sorry I do not understand you what do you mean by udebs? |
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| 02:40.53 | themill | !udeb |
| 02:40.54 | dpkg | A .udeb is a special binary <package> containing Debian-Installer modules, or "regular debian packages that are not <policy> compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great Debian genius. These are not intended for installation on a normal system. |
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| 02:41.29 | themill | (the package descriptions on the PTS also say that) |
| 02:41.54 | tharkun | themill: Ok I just arrived there thanks |
| 02:42.06 | themill | np |
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| 02:42.25 | tharkun | Who decides that netcfg is not what I need? |
| 02:43.02 | themill | it's part of the installer -- it can't be run outside of the installer |
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| 02:44.37 | tharkun | themill: We could argue back and forth but then it would be futile There is no netcfg on wheezy for the general public shame. |
| 02:44.42 | tharkun | looks for alternative |
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| 02:48.54 | themill | tharkun: there's no argument here -- netcfg is a part of the installer and cannot exist outside the installer. No-one has felt the need to write or build something similar that can exist outside the installer, except for ifupdown, iproute, ifplugd, ifscheme, whereami, netenv, network-config, wicd, network-manager, … |
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| 02:51.17 | tharkun | "No-one has felt the need to write or build something similar that can exist outside the installer" That would open up for arguments but then it will not change the fact that it is a .udeb I can live with that. |
| 02:51.26 | tharkun | looks for alternatives |
| 02:51.50 | tharkun | ,versions netenv |
| 02:51.52 | judd | Package: netenv on i386 -- squeeze: 0.94.3-27; sid: 0.94.3-30; wheezy: 0.94.3-30 |
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| 03:37.53 | Haris_ | !lenny->squeeze |
| 03:38.03 | Haris_ | !dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 03:38.03 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 03:38.05 | Haris_ | hmm |
| 03:38.16 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | /msg dpkg |
| 03:39.05 | themill | Haris_: haven't you already done that? |
| 03:39.19 | Haris_ | doing that for the 2nd AUTH NS now |
| 03:39.39 | Haris_ | 2nd box |
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| 03:41.53 | Haris_ | I have multiple other boxes running debian as well |
| 03:42.01 | Haris_ | going through the list, one by one |
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| 03:42.46 | Haris_ | Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 03:42.47 | Haris_ | supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 6.0.7 |
| 03:43.07 | Haris_ | one msg from dist-upgrade process. lol |
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| 04:00.50 | alberto | This error, how to solve?: ** gtkspell:ERROR:gtkspell.c:751:gtkspell_new_attach: assertion failed: (spell == NULL) Aborted |
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| 04:33.43 | Haris_ | what should be console line in grub options that to kernel for a physical box ? |
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| 04:34.05 | Haris_ | console=hvc0 or something else ? |
| 04:34.24 | Haris_ | won't it be console=tty0 or T |
| 04:34.27 | Haris_ | ttyS0 ? |
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| 04:37.02 | loet_phie | hello |
| 04:37.20 | loet_phie | help me please |
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| 04:37.39 | Haris_ | what's the console terminal for physical boxes ? |
| 04:37.45 | Haris_ | I think for VMs it is hvc0 |
| 04:37.52 | Haris_ | for physical boxes it is tty0 ? |
| 04:38.06 | ArtyG | Haris_, ttyS0 as my box is configured. |
| 04:38.36 | loet_phie | i am using debian squeeze |
| 04:38.56 | ArtyG | Haris_, this is in my grub options: console=ttyS0,115200n8 because I'm using my first serial port at 115200 etc etc. |
| 04:39.18 | loet_phie | how to make DNS become DInamic DNS |
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| 04:45.54 | histo | loet_phie: what? |
| 04:47.14 | loet_phie | histo i'm using debian squezee |
| 04:47.42 | histo | loet_phie: okay and what do you mena by become dynamic dns? |
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| 04:47.46 | histo | s/mena/mean/ |
| 04:47.49 | loet_phie | i set up DNS, i will change DNS to Dinamic DNS |
| 04:48.13 | loet_phie | how to make it? |
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| 04:48.48 | histo | loet_phie: What do you mean you've setup DNS for what internel IPs? |
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| 04:50.40 | loet_phie | yes, but i want to set up Dinamic DNS |
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| 04:54.21 | loet_phie | histo: do you have tutorial about dinamic DNS |
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| 04:55.32 | histo | loet_phie: You aren't making any sense |
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| 04:56.10 | histo | loet_phie: The clients that dhcp from your box have a lease time so when that lease time expires they retrieve a new ip or use the same if it's still available. |
| 04:58.11 | histo | loet_phie: perhaps if you describe exactly what you want to do and explain it a little better someone can help. |
| 04:59.16 | loet_phie | zone "makjos.com"{ |
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| 04:59.17 | loet_phie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:02.12 | Haris_ | hmm |
| 05:02.14 | qwebirc80594 | flies... |
| 05:02.14 | Haris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.20 | Haris_ | hmm #2 |
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| 05:04.01 | qwebirc80594 | umm, ask a question and answer for yourself later |
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| 05:17.24 | Haris_ | Hello all |
| 05:17.29 | Haris_ | how do I check what init mode I'm in ? |
| 05:17.34 | Haris_ | I think my box is booting into single user mode |
| 05:17.49 | Haris_ | on the reboot after lenny > squeeze upgrade |
| 05:18.19 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | who -r |
| 05:18.38 | Haris_ | run level 2 |
| 05:18.45 | Haris_ | last=S |
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| 05:19.06 | Haris_ | looks like I have the wrong option selected as default in grub's list |
| 05:19.10 | Haris_ | menu list |
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| 05:20.16 | Haris_ | I set the default to 1, rather than 0 ? |
| 05:21.34 | dimaursu16 | guys, I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 tablet, and I really want Debian on it.... |
| 05:21.50 | dimaursu16 | I already have Cyanogenmod 10.1, it is rooted, and I use F-Droid repo |
| 05:22.07 | dimaursu16 | I found an app, Lil Debi, but is not working :( |
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| 05:23.31 | dimaursu16 | how can I install Debian on it? |
| 05:23.33 | dimaursu16 | I've already downloaded the iso for armel architecture |
| 05:24.02 | dimaursu16 | I want either a chrooted environment, or a dual-boot |
| 05:24.11 | zykotick9 | Haris_: fyi, runlevel 2 is debian's default. "who -r" gives me: "run-level 2 $DATE$TIME last=S", while "runlevel" as root shows "N 2" (these are default settings, i don't mess with my runlevels at all) |
| 05:24.41 | Haris_ | I mean, my box is not in run level 5 .. (from past ages) |
| 05:24.53 | zykotick9 | not in debian ;) |
| 05:24.56 | Haris_ | meaning its not in full multi user + network mode |
| 05:25.22 | zykotick9 | Haris_: you might want to see "/msg dpkg runlevels" for some confirmation |
| 05:25.48 | Haris_ | yes, I know its going to tell me, they are history |
| 05:26.55 | Haris_ | in short, how do I make it usable on the Internet ? |
| 05:26.57 | zykotick9 | not history, just 2, 3, 4, 5 are identical |
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| 05:27.22 | Haris_ | I need 5 I believe |
| 05:28.31 | Haris_ | changed /etc/inittab |
| 05:28.34 | Haris_ | let's see |
| 05:29.12 | zykotick9 | is your interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces? i highly doubt it's runlevel or inittab related... |
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| 05:29.44 | Haris_ | I hate xen management console. One can't get to the menu list on bootup. One has to pre-configure a good one to get by |
| 05:30.10 | Haris_ | this is a PRODUCTION box, that I upgraded just now from lenny > squeeze |
| 05:30.28 | Haris_ | yes, it has interfaces configured |
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| 05:30.58 | Haris_ | I'll need to re-check that once it comes back after this reboot cycle |
| 05:31.33 | Haris_ | yep, the interfaces file has survived the upgrade process |
| 05:31.35 | Haris_ | its "as was" |
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| 05:32.15 | Haris_ | why is it not booting in init 5 when I changed the /etc/inittab file ? |
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| 05:36.24 | Haris_ | guys ? |
| 05:37.13 | fr0g911 | morning |
| 05:37.16 | Haris_ | morning |
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| 05:40.02 | Haris_ | this is a production box. its down atm |
| 05:40.04 | Haris_ | guys! |
| 05:40.20 | Haris_ | guys!? |
| 05:40.28 | Haris_ | Please! |
| 05:40.35 | Haris_ | How can I reboot my box in run level 5 ? |
| 05:40.41 | Haris_ | if its not inittab, where do I configure it ? |
| 05:41.11 | themill | Haris_: what are you using runlevel 5 for, btw? |
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| 05:41.41 | Haris_ | I don't know. from centos, I know its the mode where the box works as multi user + networking mode |
| 05:41.46 | Haris_ | means full usable mode |
| 05:41.58 | Haris_ | I'm not how debian defines the modes, yet |
| 05:42.12 | themill | Unless you have configured it otherwise, 2-5 are all the same |
| 05:42.13 | Haris_ | but from what I'v read thus far, its not that far apart |
| 05:42.17 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | 00:25.21 < zykotick9> Haris_: you might want to see "/msg dpkg runlevels" for some confirmation |
| 05:42.19 | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI | 00:25.47 < Haris_> yes, I know its going to tell me, they are history |
| 05:42.31 | Haris_ | then why is my box not bringing up its interfaces, its daemons on bootup ? |
| 05:42.44 | Haris_ | JWGUBNYMGBQWOI: I'v already seen what dpkg says on it |
| 05:42.50 | themill | You're the one with access to its boot messages and its logs |
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| 05:44.02 | Haris_ | checking dmsg output |
| 05:44.52 | Haris_ | nothing relevant in dmsg output |
| 05:45.53 | Haris_ | why do we have 2,3,4,5 if they are not different ? |
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| 05:47.52 | Haris_ | themill: which log, specifically |
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| 05:50.13 | Haris_ | how can I reboot a debian box into run level 5 ? |
| 05:50.28 | Haris_ | I don't see much relevant in logs |
| 05:50.36 | Haris_ | not in syslog, not in dmsg output |
| 05:51.37 | Haris_ | can we please stop this hide and seek game. I can do this when my box is up |
| 05:52.18 | Haris_ | dpkg talks about update-rc.d. that's not relevant here |
| 05:52.19 | dpkg | Haris_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 05:53.26 | Haris_ | nothing relevant in /etc/init.d/README as well |
| 05:53.31 | Haris_ | so what am I searching for here ? |
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| 05:58.09 | Haris_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html <- says -> The Debian system goes into runlevel N (none) to initialize the system by following the "/etc/inittab" description. <- I'v configured it to boot into run level 5 in /etc/inittab |
| 05:58.17 | Haris_ | What more does it want from me ? |
| 05:59.10 | Haris_ | do you want me to do it with telinit ? |
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| 06:05.21 | Haris_ | ah well |
| 06:05.35 | Haris_ | it tells me I'm in runlevel 5, but it hasn't started the daemons, and hasn't started the network interfaces |
| 06:05.41 | Haris_ | some daemons fail during startup |
| 06:06.14 | Haris_ | if its not run-level, then what does debian want ? |
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| 06:07.08 | tralala | Haris_, why do you want runlevel 5? |
| 06:07.21 | Haris_ | forge the runlevels |
| 06:07.29 | Haris_ | I want this box to boot up |
| 06:07.35 | Haris_ | what do I need to do for that ? |
| 06:07.37 | smw | Haris_, debian doesn't use runlevels the same way redhat does |
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| 06:08.11 | tralala | Haris_, normally when you install debian it boots up just fine in runlevel 2. |
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| 06:08.25 | Haris_ | I understand that part |
| 06:08.28 | Haris_ | please1 |
| 06:08.31 | Haris_ | can we move on ? |
| 06:08.36 | Haris_ | I need to bring this box up |
| 06:08.49 | histo | Haris_: then boot in runlevel 2 |
| 06:08.54 | smw | Haris_, you are the person who was updating from lenny to squeeze yesterday, right? |
| 06:09.03 | Haris_ | yes |
| 06:09.06 | Haris_ | I did another box today |
| 06:09.23 | smw | Haris_, and now it won't boot? What problems are you having? |
| 06:09.38 | Haris_ | histo: When I rebooted it after the upgrade, it booted into runlevel 2. it didn't bring up services/daemons, and the network. Its like it booted into single user mode |
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| 06:10.00 | Haris_ | perhaps I set the wrong option for default in grub. but I'v changed that between 01,2, and I'm still stuck |
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| 06:10.13 | tralala | Haris_, did you follow the official instructions for upgrading? Do you have a session log of the upgrade? |
| 06:10.14 | Haris_ | its booting. its like its booting in single user mode |
| 06:10.26 | Haris_ | the upgrade went fine. no errors |
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| 06:10.33 | histo | Haris_: is there a signle comment on your linux line in grub? |
| 06:11.05 | Haris_ | hmm .. single *comment* ? |
| 06:11.22 | Haris_ | I have 5 or more options set in menu in grub right now |
| 06:11.33 | Haris_ | half of them are for booting in single user mode for the relevant kernel version |
| 06:12.20 | tralala | Haris_, nevertheless it seems that something went wrong with the upgrade. So do you have a session log? |
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| 06:13.06 | Haris_ | I have a full copy of the ssh session |
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| 06:13.56 | tralala | Haris_, do you have this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session? |
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| 06:14.09 | Haris_ | no |
| 06:14.15 | Haris_ | I mean |
| 06:14.20 | Haris_ | does it create a log ? |
| 06:14.27 | Haris_ | I haven't used the script command |
| 06:14.28 | tralala | it does |
| 06:14.51 | tralala | well, let's see what the ssh log has to say then |
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| 06:15.28 | apz_ | hola |
| 06:16.00 | apz_ | debian al sorasika |
| 06:16.09 | Haris_ | where does it create the log ? |
| 06:16.20 | in2tactics | identify wardog |
| 06:17.12 | tralala | Haris_, I mean your copy of the ssh session |
| 06:17.27 | Haris_ | hold please |
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| 06:22.08 | Haris_ | I hadn't run the upgrade-from-grub-legacy command |
| 06:23.02 | Haris_ | everything's fine now |
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| 06:23.43 | tralala | lessons learnt? |
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| 06:24.45 | Haris_ | I didn't need it on the other box |
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| 06:26.01 | tralala | I was expecting more of a "following the instructions is good for me" answer. |
| 06:26.14 | Haris_ | well, I did |
| 06:26.20 | Haris_ | but that step was optional |
| 06:26.26 | Haris_ | in my previous experience |
| 06:26.33 | Haris_ | the day before |
| 06:27.08 | tralala | so no lessons learnt then |
| 06:27.26 | Haris_ | well, not quite |
| 06:27.29 | loaden | hi, all! Does Wheezy final support UEFI Secure Boot? |
| 06:28.17 | loaden | I am using Ubuntu 12.04 with UEFI support. but I want switch to Wheezy if it goto release. |
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| 06:34.04 | Haris | I did learn |
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| 06:37.31 | dimaursu16 | hmmm... |
| 06:37.43 | dimaursu16 | any ideas how to run debootstrap? |
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| 06:41.43 | tralala | dimaursu16, for me the way described in the manual has always worked |
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| 06:53.34 | lasers | How do you know if your hard drive is dying? I believe I have one -- but I'm checking other machines/laptops/etc. I'm trying to set up smartmontools. I edit /etc/default/smartmontools to uncomment "start_smartd" and "smartd_opts" -- Anything else I should do? |
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| 07:02.10 | zykotick9 | loaden: uefi = yes, secure boot = no. see "/msg dpkg secure boot" for details. |
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| 07:05.31 | loaden | zykotick9: thx |
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| 07:19.01 | rryoumaa | is there a way to find out what changes there are on the netinst since i downloaded it a couple of months ago? want to know if it is worth downloading a new one. |
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| 07:23.33 | tralala | rryoumaa, only if you're going to use it many times |
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| 07:28.14 | rwp | rryoumaa, It is almost never worth downloading a new one as long as your original kernel is booting your hardware. Since everything else is pulled from the net anyway. |
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| 07:29.46 | rryoumaa | great, thanks. i thought maybe the installer itself might have changed |
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| 07:32.51 | truexfan81 | my alsa on wheezy is flaky, only gives me sound 50% of the time |
| 07:32.59 | truexfan81 | right now i have no sound |
| 07:33.24 | truexfan81 | mplayer reports [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1293:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D1p' failed (-2): No such file or directory |
| 07:33.47 | truexfan81 | this was working yesterday and i have changed nothing |
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| 07:37.18 | moetunes | might be hardware issues |
| 07:37.46 | truexfan81 | moetunes: hw works perfectly every time in win7 |
| 07:38.00 | moetunes | won't be that then... |
| 07:38.30 | truexfan81 | also i have been told by a mplayer2 dev that "a broken sound system in debian is normal" |
| 07:39.52 | truexfan81 | i have tried restarting alsa, that made no difference |
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| 07:40.30 | truexfan81 | open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D1p' failed (-2): No such file or directory |
| 07:40.36 | truexfan81 | i do find that interesting |
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| 07:44.02 | zykotick9 | truexfan81: do you have more then 1 audio card, or sound device on your system? i had trouble with wheezy swapping card0/card1 when I had two sound devices (wasn't an issue under squeeze). if you do have more then one, check "cat /proc/asound/cards" and see if your desired sound card is card0 (iceweasel/flash seem to require card0 for some reason?) |
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| 07:44.27 | azizLIGHTS | hello, on debian 6, can iceweasel 17 make a bookmark by drag dropping the favicon in the address bar to the bookmarks bar? |
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| 07:44.33 | truexfan81 | zykotick9: i have the hdmi on my nvidia gpu |
| 07:44.52 | truexfan81 | i suppose it could be defaulting to that? |
| 07:44.54 | azizLIGHTS | this is on gnome 2.30, my question about iceweasel |
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| 07:50.29 | truexfan81 | zykotick9: do you know how to change the default audio device in xfce? |
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| 07:52.21 | norok2 | truexfan81: if you use pulseaudio you can try with that |
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| 07:52.38 | zykotick9 | truexfan81: sorry, no clue. i'm not really very good with sound issues - as I was reminded of, with my wheezy alsa card 0 vs 1 thing. good luck :) |
| 07:52.40 | miandonmenmian_ | is the printing on wheezy broken ? |
| 07:53.03 | miandonmenmian_ | when i select the new printer it just closes it without adding it to the panel |
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| 07:56.14 | verchan | hi guys |
| 07:56.21 | verchan | fuck ubuntu, it's all about debian |
| 07:56.22 | verchan | right? |
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| 07:56.50 | n3rV3 | ? |
| 07:56.51 | invariant | How do I use strace such that it shows commands including command line arguments being executed? |
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| 07:59.13 | jpw | invariant: cat /proc/<pid>/cmdline ? |
| 07:59.55 | invariant | jpw, the pid isn't alive long enough for that to work. |
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| 08:01.33 | loaden | hi, all! how to install fglrx-legacy driver? I am ATI user, and used a HD4300 card. |
| 08:01.52 | loaden | which means I can't use fglrx-driver package from the repo. |
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| 08:02.29 | loaden | I am using Wheezy latest daily build. |
| 08:02.32 | wolf85kunst | hello |
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| 08:02.49 | wolf85kunst | i have a question about installation paquet |
| 08:03.37 | tralala | wolf85kunst, ask it |
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| 08:04.09 | wolf85kunst | i install the following paquet : apt-get install php5-mcrypt, and i obtain the error : |
| 08:04.11 | wolf85kunst | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:04.11 | wolf85kunst | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.11 | wolf85kunst | E: Broken packages |
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| 08:04.53 | wolf85kunst | oups |
| 08:04.57 | tralala | wolf85kunst, don't paste here |
| 08:05.07 | wolf85kunst | err.. |
| 08:05.09 | tralala | dpkg, tell wolf85kunst -about paste |
| 08:05.31 | tralala | now show us the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 08:05.45 | wolf85kunst | E: Broken package |
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| 08:06.29 | ksuhku | wolf85kunst, are you still on lenny? |
| 08:06.30 | wolf85kunst | The following packages have unmet dependencies : php5-mcrypt : depends : php5-common |
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| 08:06.39 | wolf85kunst | i work on lenny |
| 08:06.49 | wolf85kunst | any idea ? |
| 08:06.51 | ksuhku | !lenny |
| 08:06.52 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 08:07.22 | zykotick9 | !dotdeb |
| 08:07.22 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 08:07.26 | tralala | wolf85kunst, will you kindly show us the output of apt-cache policy? |
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| 08:08.59 | wolf85kunst | tralala, i didnt understand your question |
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| 08:10.03 | gele | i'm having a problem with encrypted partitions and lvm. |
| 08:10.39 | gele | i have two encrypted partitions (sda5 and sdb1) which are used as physical volumes for a lvm volume group which contains my root partition. |
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| 08:12.02 | tgs3 | how to install a package, while igoring that apt-get install would like to remove some not used {a} packages |
| 08:12.12 | tgs3 | how to just install pacakge foo while ignoring all other sthi |
| 08:12.48 | gele | sdb1 uses the key of sda1 via decrypt_derived. the documentation for crypttab says that the order in which the entries appear is important, but no matter which order i put the lines for sda5 and sdb1 in, the initrd scripts always try to unlock sdb1 first, which of course always fails since it depends on sda5 having been unlocked. |
| 08:12.54 | gele | how can i fix this? |
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| 08:14.07 | gele | as it is now i'm dropped into busybox and have to unlock sdb1 and set up the lvm volumes manually, which is annoying. |
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| 08:15.28 | tralala | wolf85kunst, I need you to run the command 'apt-cache policy' in a terminal and paste the output in a pastebin as dpkg told you |
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| 08:16.56 | gele | (i know that i can just remove the decrypt_derived option for sdb1 in crypttab, but then i have to enter the passphrase twice every boot) |
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| 08:19.38 | drasko | Hi all, after freash debian installation on Win8 machine, I ma getting : efi error unknown command drivemap invalid efi filepath when trying to boot into Windows |
| 08:19.44 | malaverdiere | Hello. I am using an Debian-based distro that is giving me stability issues. I was thinking of using debian testing. This bug is biting me a lot... is it present in debian testing? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/946899 |
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| 08:29.12 | drasko | Hi all, after freash debian installation on Win8 machine, I ma getting : efi error unknown command drivemap invalid efi filepath when trying to boot into Windows |
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| 08:30.11 | Atreide | . |
| 08:30.22 | Atreide | Atreide, test |
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| 08:36.47 | gele | how do i tell cryptroot to unlock sda5 before sdb1? |
| 08:37.02 | gele | it doesn't respect the order in /etc/crypttab. |
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| 08:42.48 | Krisx | I've decided to install debian over my mint installation and I can't get any usb to get the ISO on it. I've tried multiple programs even checked the MD5 checksum and different USBs and I still get "Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected boot device and press a key" everytime :/ help please. |
| 08:44.10 | Atreide | Atreide test |
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| 08:44.32 | gele | is there any other way of installing a single encrypted root filesystem spanning multiple disks and only having to type one passphrase to unlock it? |
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| 08:46.20 | vlt | gele: (I didn’t read what you’ve tried so far.) What about a crypted md? |
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| 08:46.56 | gele | vlt: can i have lvm on top of luks on top of md? |
| 08:47.12 | vlt | gele: I have. |
| 08:47.30 | gele | vlt: and the initrd scripts recognise it automatically? |
| 08:47.43 | vlt | gele: I use md raid10 of 8 disks, LUKS on md, LVM on that. |
| 08:48.28 | vlt | gele: With Debian it works. You need to have mdadm, cryptsetup and lvm2 installed before creating the initrd. |
| 08:49.09 | gele | ok, i'll look into that. thanks. |
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| 08:49.24 | dexta | morning |
| 08:49.43 | vlt | gele: Put "cryptopts=source=<YOUR_SOURCE>,target=<TARGET>" to your kernel cmdline |
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| 08:54.20 | drasko | is os-prober broken for Wheezy debian installer ? Seems like EFI entries are not correct. |
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| 08:57.26 | gele | hm. the installer won't let me choose the LINEAR mdadm mode. |
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| 09:04.44 | aswen | hi there, anyone here has any experience with hp gen8 servers and debian and hpacucli? |
| 09:05.16 | aswen | and if you have: do you want to share some or all of your knowledge on this topic? |
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| 09:07.38 | andreas_ | hi guys me again :) ... im trying to copy .jpg pics from different subdirectories to /home/me/Pics/ , well i was trying with cp -rf /directory/*.jpg /home/me/Pics/ |
| 09:07.42 | andreas_ | but that does not work |
| 09:07.54 | andreas_ | can u give me advise on this one |
| 09:08.13 | aswen | what's the error? |
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| 09:09.49 | andreas_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:10.10 | andreas_ | it seems that cp does not get the wildcards |
| 09:10.18 | tralala | andreas_, drop the -r |
| 09:10.19 | aswen | andreas_, do you mean you want to recursively copy all .jpg files in /dir/subdirX/ |
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| 09:10.38 | andreas_ | as X stands for different subfolders yes |
| 09:10.43 | aswen | ah |
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| 09:10.52 | aswen | why not use rsync? |
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| 09:11.24 | andreas_ | just wanted to know if there is a option for cp to do that job as well :) |
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| 09:12.08 | aswen | maybe cp /dir/*/*.jpg will? |
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| 09:12.28 | andreas_ | hang on i will try that |
| 09:12.40 | gele | yes, * doesn't match across directory separators. |
| 09:12.42 | aswen | but, do you want to create all those dirs in the targetdir as well? |
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| 09:14.36 | andreas_ | well if there is a chance not to create them i would go with this option |
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| 09:15.06 | aswen | so you prefer NOT to create the dirs? |
| 09:15.29 | aswen | then: find /dir/ -name \*.jpg -exec cp {} /home/me/dir/ \; |
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| 09:17.10 | andreas_ | ok the cp -rf /*/*.jpg is like depth option but only copies in stuff @ that level . |
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| 09:17.24 | adkins | hey a`ll, i`m runnning debian squeeze on my server/media-machine and use mostly google chrome for browsing/video streaming....i noticed that flash streaming isnt as good as on my windows 7 machine (youtube-videos buffer slower, streams on other sites doesnt even load at all.....) and i wonder whats the cause for this OR whats the best browser/flash plugin/etc for debian???? |
| 09:17.56 | aswen | adkins, remove gnash, install adobe flashplayer |
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| 09:18.20 | aswen | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 09:18.54 | andreas_ | guys ur great , im so stupid for not thinking about find -exec thank u su much aswen :) |
| 09:19.59 | aswen | andreas_, you're welcome! |
| 09:20.56 | adkins | aswen: i`ll check it out later (still at work), dont know if i have gnash. does this sound familiar to you? would you prefer google chrome+adobe flash for this purpose? maybe should try chromium? |
| 09:21.03 | gele | adkins: also, flash is typically slower on linux because adobe couldn't be arsed to implement xvideo support properly. |
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| 09:21.16 | adkins | gele: interesting... |
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| 09:22.17 | gele | that shouldn't make any difference to the buffering speed though. |
| 09:22.21 | adkins | gele: and there is no workaround? |
| 09:22.46 | gele | not that i know of. |
| 09:23.02 | Trewas | adobe stopped flash development for linux completely, it is now in hands of google (and supposedly built-in in chrome) |
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| 09:24.08 | adkins | Trewas: could i have better results with chromium or not? |
| 09:24.33 | ksuhku | flash sucks balls any which way |
| 09:25.25 | Trewas | adkins: chromium here seems to be using the same flash plugin as firefox so probably not better than chrome, I have no idea what chrome actually does wrt flash in linux |
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| 09:29.32 | adkins | i found a stream that wasnt working at all yesterday. A stream on that site http://livetv.ru/ . can someone open for instance this stream: http://livetv.ru/de/eventinfo/166396_india_open/ ? |
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| 09:31.09 | Trewas | the first of those works here with firefox and flash 11.2r202 |
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| 09:32.09 | adkins | Trewas: thx, i`m checking here, takes a while |
| 09:32.55 | invariant | Why would it be a bad idea to change the environment of a program via gdb on a usual basis? |
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| 09:35.04 | aswen | adkins, i removed default installed gnash and installed adobe flash, I use it both in FF and GC. |
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| 09:35.30 | aswen | but I never used it for more complicated stuff than watching youtube vid's |
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| 09:36.17 | Trewas | adkins: gnash is surely not installed by default, it is not useful for anything |
| 09:36.26 | aswen | so, let me repeat my earlier question about hpacucli: anyone here has any experience with hp gen8 servers and debian and hpacucli? |
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| 09:37.22 | aswen | Trewas, ??? on all deb installs on my laptop i got gnash along with the rest of my graphical env... |
| 09:38.27 | Trewas | aswen: "apt-cache rdepends gnash" does not indicate it gets installed unless you install it yourself (this in squeeze, but I doubt wheezy has changed it) |
| 09:38.59 | aswen | hmmm, i definitely never choose to install it ;-) |
| 09:39.53 | aswen | it was one of the (few !) unpleasant surprises after a default wheezy install (and squeeze two years ago ;-) |
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| 09:40.02 | adkins | i gotto check the flash thing on my machine later. might be back on this one ;) |
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| 09:40.36 | Trewas | heh, maybe it comes with some desktop task or something, not very sane if it does |
| 09:40.36 | gele | does raid-0 typically use more power than the 'linear' mode (using md)? |
| 09:40.51 | adkins | is wheezy stable now? |
| 09:40.52 | gele | since striping requires reading and writing to both disks at once... |
| 09:42.30 | aswen | adkins, wheezy will be stable in two weeks I heard |
| 09:42.51 | jelly | gele: writing on a 3.5" disk takes almost the same amount of power as reading (or idling) -- check the specs |
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| 09:43.43 | adkins | aswen: should one install wheezy completely fresh and new or is it possible to update from squeeze? |
| 09:43.52 | drasko | Hi all, after freash debian installation on Win8 machine, I ma getting : efi error unknown command drivemap invalid efi filepath when trying to boot into Windows |
| 09:44.20 | gele | jelly: what about seeking? |
| 09:44.32 | jelly | gele: what about it? |
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| 09:44.50 | gele | does that use more power? |
| 09:45.36 | jelly | gele: is there any more seeking with raid0 than with linear? |
| 09:46.23 | Trewas | gele: only real difference would be if the linear mode makes it possible to shut down one of the disks completely (minutes without any activity), that is not likely to happen if they are part of the same partition |
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| 09:50.43 | aswen | adkins, I chose to install fresh for various reasons, most important was that I worked for two years on my laptop with Squeeze and screwed about everything on it. so, by installing a fresh install I had the chance to unscrew everything ;-) |
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| 10:05.02 | Dark_light | all of a sudden it shows only 1 to 3 contacts online or none |
| 10:06.14 | Dark_light | gtalk works fine |
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| 10:18.30 | drasko | Hi all, after freash debian installation on Win8 machine, I ma getting : efi error unknown command drivemap invalid efi filepath when trying to boot into Windows |
| 10:19.34 | babilen | drasko: Which image did you use for the installation? |
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| 10:20.14 | drasko | I used Debian Wheezy netinst |
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| 10:21.06 | babilen | drasko: Which image exactly? RC1, a weekly something else? |
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| 10:21.34 | drasko | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:22.07 | drasko | Grub from there still uses "drivemap" directive |
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| 10:22.25 | babilen | drasko: And did you install grub-efi? There seems to be a bug with grub-efi -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698914 |
| 10:22.39 | drasko | and similar - in any case os-prober entries in grub.cfg are wrong |
| 10:22.57 | drasko | I did, and it is the latest version |
| 10:23.00 | babilen | See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/807801 for a simlar bug in lunchpad that contains a workaround |
| 10:23.13 | babilen | *launchpad :) |
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| 10:24.01 | apm1 | baba, steve filed it and he is the only one who can fix it imho XD |
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| 10:24.11 | apm1 | oh shit wrong nick |
| 10:24.12 | babilen | yeah, that is the sad part |
| 10:24.18 | baba | apm1: ? |
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| 10:24.23 | baba | hi babilen :) |
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| 10:24.29 | apm1 | baba, it was meant for babilen |
| 10:24.39 | baba | apm1: np :) |
| 10:24.46 | babilen | baba: Hi baba :-D |
| 10:26.28 | babilen | drasko: Please try the workaround Steve mentioned in #698914 and let us know if that solves it |
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| 10:27.20 | drasko | So far I tried this : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698914 |
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| 10:27.44 | drasko | I.e. adding menuentry by hand |
| 10:27.59 | babilen | exactly, and? |
| 10:28.04 | drasko | grub complains now about not being able to find file |
| 10:28.16 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.26 | drasko | Although /boot/efi//EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi exists |
| 10:28.44 | drasko | maybe something else should be put to chainloader directive ? |
| 10:29.26 | drasko | babilen, is there a way to check if the grub can find a file, and to find a correct path ? |
| 10:29.46 | drasko | I mean some interractive commands, from the grub shell maybe ? |
| 10:29.46 | babilen | drasko: Do you have secure boot enabled? |
| 10:29.55 | drasko | babilen, no, I had to disable that |
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| 10:30.08 | drasko | otherwise Debian would not even install ;) |
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| 10:31.17 | babilen | drasko: Is the error you get something like the one in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1091464 ? |
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| 10:32.08 | drasko | babilen, not at all. Just says : file not found... |
| 10:32.21 | babilen | okay |
| 10:32.30 | drasko | I suspect on /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi path |
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| 10:32.36 | drasko | given to Grub |
| 10:32.46 | drasko | without saying which partition, etc... |
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| 10:34.55 | babilen | drasko: Yeah, that seems to be the case -- I take it that 'find /boot/efi -name "*efi"' actually lists EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi ? |
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| 10:36.29 | babilen | drasko: May I see the generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 10:36.57 | drasko | babilen, well, it lists /boot/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi |
| 10:37.07 | babilen | drasko: It would also be great if you could reply to #698914 and detail the problems you have right now |
| 10:37.13 | drasko | I will try to put it on pastebin |
| 10:37.25 | drasko | babi, I will |
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| 10:37.53 | babilen | drasko: Okay, could you adapt the path in 40_custom to /Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi (and not "/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi") and try again? |
| 10:38.23 | babilen | drasko: Lets try that first before you paste your grub.cfg :) |
| 10:39.27 | drasko | http://pastebin.com/bakNNLG5 |
| 10:39.35 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 10:39.35 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 10:39.57 | drasko | I will try |
| 10:40.42 | drasko | babilen, OK, I'll use paste.debian.net next time. |
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| 10:42.03 | drasko | babilen, It's /Microsoft/..., not Microsoft/... ? |
| 10:42.15 | babilen | drasko: You can use any other pastebin too (such as gist.github.com, paste.ubuntu.com, refheap.com, ...) but pastebin.com looks particularly nasty |
| 10:42.39 | drasko | And - should it be put to --file option also like this ? |
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| 10:42.48 | babilen | drasko: Every example I've seen so far includes the leading slash, but try both if the one that starts with / doesn't work |
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| 10:45.28 | babilen | drasko: Oh, and try also "efi" in lieu of "EFI" ... actually that seems to be the issue. |
| 10:46.42 | babilen | drasko: And you also have a typo -- "serch" vs "search" on line 124 in your paste |
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| 10:48.20 | drasko | I will try |
| 10:48.24 | drasko | but I do not think so |
| 10:48.59 | drasko | Because 'find /boot/efi -name "*efi"' actually lists : /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi |
| 10:49.06 | babilen | You might also actually want to try setting root in there with the suitable UUID as exemplified in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/807801 |
| 10:49.09 | drasko | and simolar |
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| 10:49.27 | babilen | drasko: You said something else earlier, didn't you? |
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| 10:49.51 | drasko | yes |
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| 10:49.56 | drasko | I was wrong ;( |
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| 10:50.03 | babilen | well, try not to be :) |
| 10:50.09 | drasko | I am working on other machine |
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| 10:50.19 | drasko | so I can not do copy-paste |
| 10:50.58 | Twinkletoes | I can't find unix2dos in the repos, so how do I convert text-file line endings to a dos-compatible format? |
| 10:51.03 | babilen | okay, so what if you prefix the entire thing with "/efi" the so that it reads "--file /efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi" |
| 10:51.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell Twinkletoes -about apt-file |
| 10:51.30 | babilen | judd: file bin/unix2dos --release wheezy |
| 10:51.38 | drasko | babilen, maybe... but should not it be /boot/efi/EFI/... |
| 10:51.39 | judd | Search for bin/unix2dos in wheezy/i386: dos2unix: usr/bin/unix2dos |
| 10:51.48 | drasko | I tried like this, but it did not work |
| 10:53.06 | drasko | OK, for Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi in "search", it even does not find device |
| 10:53.35 | Twinkletoes | babilen: Thanks for the tip - I'll remember that :) |
| 10:53.38 | babilen | drasko: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2012/10/msg00185.html seems to be a patch for this in os-prober |
| 10:53.42 | babilen | judd: v os-prober |
| 10:53.43 | judd | Package: os-prober on i386 -- squeeze: 1.42; sid: 1.57; wheezy: 1.57 |
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| 10:54.22 | babilen | Twinkletoes: in particular 'apt-file search -x "bin/unix2dos$"' would work (regular expression) |
| 10:54.47 | drasko | baba, my system reposrt most recent version of os-prober |
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| 10:55.43 | babilen | drasko: Sorry, I am not 100% sure what to do, but I guess that you have to get root and the filepath correct. The bug in launchpad also mentios setting the UUID /and/ uses "chainloader (${root})/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi" ... |
| 10:55.52 | babilen | drasko: Yes, I know. |
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| 10:56.26 | drasko | babilen, (${root})/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi might be for Ubuntu |
| 10:56.36 | drasko | I will try |
| 10:56.48 | drasko | maybe Debian adds EFI after efi |
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| 10:57.01 | babilen | drasko: Well, that at least contains the root. Seriously, you have as much information now as I do .. :) |
| 10:57.33 | babilen | drasko: The main point about that example is the leading ${root} not the missing EFI -- I guess that you /do/ want to have the correct path, but maybe prefixed with root |
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| 10:57.34 | drasko | babilen, however, do you see any way to try these manipulations from grub shell |
| 10:57.42 | drasko | at least to see if it can find file |
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| 10:57.54 | babilen | drasko: You can use "e" to edit the entries, yes |
| 10:57.57 | drasko | because rebooting PC each time is long |
| 10:58.01 | babilen | yeah |
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| 11:16.59 | gray-- | hi guys, not sure if this is a debian or a jenkins question… using the debian package publisher plugin in jenkins, it describes the publishing method to a repo as 'scpb' |
| 11:17.22 | gray-- | anyone point me to a document that describes scpb? google's not being very helpful |
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| 11:17.31 | gray-- | an SCP derivative ? |
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| 11:18.25 | babilen | gray--: I'd ask the jenkins people |
| 11:18.37 | gray-- | babilen: will do, thanks |
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| 11:19.37 | babilen | gray--: There is #jenkins, but I see that you are already there. I have no immediate associations with scpb (apart from "scp" + ?, with ? == "b") |
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| 11:19.56 | gray-- | just joined there a moment before you :) |
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| 11:20.07 | babilen | But that might also just be me - my google-fu also seems to be as weak as yours ;) |
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| 11:22.44 | colo-work | hi there |
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| 11:23.03 | colo-work | I'm about to upgrade our last lenny machine (a Xen dom0) to squeeze in prep for upgrading to wheezy later on ;) |
| 11:23.42 | colo-work | the release notes for that upgrade mention a few things in regard to Xen, however I was wondering if anyone of you ever did that procedure and kept helpful notes about how everything went? |
| 11:23.56 | colo-work | (and may be able and willing to share those notes :)) |
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| 11:46.23 | Devastator | ok, let's fix this resolution for good |
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| 11:49.50 | ksuhku | Devastator, Hammertime? |
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| 11:56.57 | HelenaKitty | Hello I have a list of scripts which I cp sv* /usr/bin then chmod 777 /usr/bin/sv* with sudo but when I execute svmap I get this. |
| 11:57.00 | HelenaKitty | http://pastebin.com/dJ84zpDQ |
| 11:57.14 | HelenaKitty | This script works when I execute with the python command. |
| 11:57.33 | HelenaKitty | I checked the header of the file and it seems fine. |
| 11:57.47 | HelenaKitty | #!/usr/bin/env python |
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| 12:03.48 | Almtesh | Hi eeryone. |
| 12:03.53 | Almtesh | *everyone |
| 12:04.04 | Almtesh | It starts well, lol |
| 12:04.24 | Almtesh | I want to know I a complete version of KDE is planned on Debian. |
| 12:04.57 | Almtesh | I saw that KDE is incompletly updated on squeeze and wheezy. |
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| 12:05.14 | tralala | Almtesh, what's missing? |
| 12:06.12 | Almtesh | tralala, kdepim. |
| 12:07.26 | Almtesh | To give a example. |
| 12:07.30 | tralala | according to packages.debian.org it's available in all repos. |
| 12:07.52 | Almtesh | I knew that it misses something else, but I can't remember what. |
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| 12:08.15 | Almtesh | tralala, of course it's available, but not in the right version. |
| 12:08.38 | Almtesh | tralala, compare the version of kdepim with any other package. |
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| 12:09.06 | Almtesh | tralala, this version incoherence cause a malfonction of the pim. |
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| 12:09.16 | jelly | Almtesh: what fails to work? |
| 12:09.19 | Almtesh | And the kdepim is almost the best I know. |
| 12:10.00 | Almtesh | tralala, almost every network-based ressources, except emails. |
| 12:10.45 | jelly | Almtesh: you'll have to file a bug and specify a couple of those resources, I guess |
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| 12:12.13 | babilen | Almtesh: What would be the right version? |
| 12:12.21 | Almtesh | jelly, I have allready done that, the bug has been marked as not planned to solve. |
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| 12:12.37 | babilen | Almtesh: Which bug number? |
| 12:12.39 | Almtesh | babilen, the same for every kde components. |
| 12:12.46 | Almtesh | babilen, for instance… |
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| 12:13.40 | jelly | kdepim being a mere metapackage, I guess the issue you see is some of its dependencies are out of date or out of sync |
| 12:14.00 | Almtesh | jelly, of course, that what I said. |
| 12:14.15 | jelly | it doesn't really matter what the version of kdepim itself is |
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| 12:15.34 | babilen | Almtesh: I can't find your bug report. Mind sharing the bug # ? |
| 12:15.42 | abrotman | Almtesh: when is the last time you did a full-upgrade? |
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| 12:16.28 | babilen | Almtesh: Mind running "apt-get update ; aptitude search ~U ; aptitude search ~o" and show the output along with your sources.list on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 12:17.25 | Devastator | ,versions dexconf |
| 12:17.26 | judd | No package named 'dexconf' was found in i386. |
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| 12:20.02 | Almtesh | abrotman, I do not have KDE/debian anymore. |
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| 12:20.26 | Almtesh | babilen, I could not find it, I though it was deleted. |
| 12:20.28 | lionel_ | Hi |
| 12:21.02 | Devastator | :( it was so much easier when xorg.conf was available |
| 12:21.20 | jpw | Devastator: it still is |
| 12:21.22 | tralala | Devastator, it's still available |
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| 12:22.07 | Devastator | jpw, tralala: well, when I try to create it with Xorg -configure it fails because it detects 3 screens |
| 12:22.31 | Devastator | I couldn't find one in wheezy to edit manually |
| 12:22.51 | lionel_ | I m looking for how to find list package minimal installed through installation debian minimal? dpkg -s on champ "priority" is not interesting because some package installed is tagged optional... Do you have an idea? |
| 12:23.22 | babilen | Almtesh: What do you use if not Debian? |
| 12:23.27 | tralala | Devastator, pastebin the logs |
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| 12:24.54 | Devastator | tralala sure, give me a few minutes, do you think a kvm could cause this? |
| 12:26.09 | jpw | Devastator: it's possible. KVM's i've used previously are generally badly made. |
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| 12:26.18 | Almtesh | babilen, I'm on archlinux, I'm trying Kubuntu, Mint, and some other. |
| 12:26.44 | Almtesh | babilen, but I'll try Debian again, if you say to me that the version are good. |
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| 12:27.20 | jelly | Almtesh: can you at least tell which functionality in KDE did not work and how to reproduce it? |
| 12:27.29 | jelly | s/tell/say/ |
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| 12:27.33 | babilen | Almtesh: Well, we cannot help you /iff/ you cannot reproduce the actual error you are seeing. My impression so far is that you were simply using a system that was not completely updated or something along those lines. |
| 12:28.01 | tralala | Almtesh, I don't see any bug reports saying that kdepim doesn't work. Maybe it was broken in testing for a while at the time you used it, but it seems to be fine now. |
| 12:28.34 | Devastator | I'm gonna try to connect the monitor directly and probe again |
| 12:28.40 | babilen | Almtesh: You should also have received mails from our bug tracking system in which we acknowledge that you reported a bug. Those mails should contain a reference to the actual bug number. You are simply the first person that I know of to complain about this particular problem .. |
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| 12:39.13 | yaf_elec | hi, I'm trying to run this example: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_02/html/gsg/CXX/databases.html#DBOpen . It looks that there are packages for berkeley db in debian distro, yet the compile fails |
| 12:39.47 | yaf_elec | can someone verify if libdb++-dev is what I need for this purpose ? |
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| 12:43.19 | lionel_ | Are there information in a package for to know if package is installed in origin (debian minimal)? Thx |
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| 12:44.43 | tralala | lionel_, I don't understand the question |
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| 12:45.27 | Devastator | yep, it was the kvm, sadly I lose 1280x1024 :( |
| 12:45.38 | Devastator | native resolution is 1600x900 |
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| 12:46.54 | lionel_ | I would like to know the list of package installed when debian minimal install (origin). But i would like to find this information by a command (type dpkg -s). |
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| 12:48.01 | lionel_ | i not find a field with this information |
| 12:48.16 | tralala | lionel_, it's called a base install. You can do this by performing a base install (using the netinst image) and getting the list of installed packages with dpkg -l |
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| 12:49.37 | lionel_ | Ok, but i would like find this list on all debian base install (x86,x64 and all vesion squeeze, wheezy, lenny..) . by method generic |
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| 12:50.23 | lionel_ | It's not possible for find another solution than to do install base and check by dpkg -l? |
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| 12:51.48 | lionel_ | sorry for my english |
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| 12:53.07 | tralala | I suppose all the packages with priority required and their dependencies are what you're looking for, but it will take some effort to come up with a command that gives you this list |
| 12:53.12 | Devastator | which screenlocker do you guys recommend? |
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| 12:53.41 | invariant | Devastator, xscreensaver if you only care about locking. |
| 12:53.57 | invariant | Devastator, otherwise, I have to inform you that there are no good ones. |
| 12:54.16 | MaXim_ | alock, slock |
| 12:54.29 | Devastator | what would I have to care besides locking? just curious |
| 12:54.55 | MaXim_ | if you wanted pretty animations |
| 12:54.59 | invariant | Devastator, user switching? |
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| 12:55.24 | Devastator | ah, ok, no, it's only me |
| 12:55.39 | invariant | Devastator, I also use multiple accounts and it's just me. |
| 12:55.46 | MaXim_ | xcreensaver, xlock, xlockmore for pretty pictures |
| 12:55.59 | invariant | Devastator, that's because I run some code which is useful, but I don't trust those people one bit. |
| 12:56.12 | Devastator | heheheh I get you |
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| 12:57.52 | lionel_ | tralala: when run this command: dpkg -l | grep -E "^ii" | awk '{print "dpkg -s " $2 "|grep -iEB 4 \"^Priority:\s+optional\"|grep -iE \"^Package:\"" }' |sh and check package optional, some packages optional are installed when base install debian. exemple: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 12:58.16 | Devastator | I'm gonna install xscreensaver, just for the sake of it |
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| 12:58.43 | lionel_ | tralala: with what another field define if optional package are installed by defaut base install debian? |
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| 12:58.58 | tralala | lionel_, my guess is that some of the required packages depend on them |
| 12:59.40 | lionel_ | tralala: thank, i'll check |
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| 13:03.35 | Camber | Hi there. Do any of you guys have any experience with sending mail out from a server using google apps gmail? |
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| 13:05.06 | tralala | Camber, do you mean using gmail as a smart host? |
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| 13:05.58 | Towzzer | as a relay? |
| 13:06.23 | Camber | tralala: I have no idea :/ I want to be able to send email notifications and email form confirmations to users from my web server. We're using webmaster@example.com, and our example.com emails are managed by google apps |
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| 13:06.53 | Towzzer | did you setup the replay in the mail server with the proper authentication? |
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| 13:08.52 | Camber | Towzzer: I have done nothing as of yet. |
| 13:09.11 | tralala | Camber, I think that setting up exim on the web server and configuring gmail as a smarthost will do what you need. Then your web app will only need to use the local exim as MTA. |
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| 13:09.46 | Towzzer | camber, you need to configure your mail server to do stuff |
| 13:09.55 | Towzzer | kinda sounds like you installed it and haven't done anything |
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| 13:10.03 | Towzzer | that's a bit too early to complain that it doesn't work |
| 13:10.31 | Camber | You mean my web server? |
| 13:10.51 | Towzzer | your email server |
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| 13:11.03 | Camber | Google apps gmail? |
| 13:11.08 | Towzzer | no |
| 13:11.11 | Towzzer | well yes |
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| 13:11.24 | Towzzer | but you need an email server on your web server if you want to send mail from it |
| 13:11.38 | Towzzer | mail is weird and regular linux users forget this |
| 13:11.42 | Camber | Yes, is that what exim is? |
| 13:11.44 | Towzzer | yes |
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| 13:11.45 | tralala | Camber, see this: http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 13:11.50 | Towzzer | but you need to configure that |
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| 13:12.32 | hollickish | we use nullmailer for simple email sending. It looks like it's not too difficult to configure nullmailer to use googlemail.com as a smart host. See https://jon.sprig.gs/blog/post/9 (Not tested by me) |
| 13:12.58 | Camber | Thanks guys. I'll check out exim and nullmailer. Many thanks :) |
| 13:13.17 | Towzzer | don't trust programs with the word "null" in the title |
| 13:13.24 | Towzzer | my father said that on his death bed |
| 13:13.30 | tralala | hahaha |
| 13:13.32 | Towzzer | then he redirected himself to /dev/null |
| 13:13.35 | hollickish | :) |
| 13:14.01 | coyotee | lol |
| 13:14.27 | tralala | I'd be far more cautious of programmes that contain the null _byte_ in their title |
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| 13:15.39 | coyotee | I'm going for an isolated place for some time, so i got this idea of taking the debian archive with me to have some distraction |
| 13:15.41 | coyotee | what would be the best way to do so? I mean, take a repository with me, with a couple of arch's and them use it as the repository offline. |
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| 13:17.22 | tralala | apt-mirror perhaps |
| 13:17.36 | sersn | hi boy n girls ... can u help a stupid guy out by telling him how to copy urls from w3m to use them for example with youtubedl |
| 13:18.13 | Towzzer | you know that when you download a video from youtube the quality is reduced |
| 13:18.17 | Towzzer | it's quite horrible |
| 13:18.18 | tralala | sersn, U + mouse select + middle button paste |
| 13:19.04 | sersn | and without gui :) ? |
| 13:19.45 | tralala | Towzzer, not necessarily. Maybe with youtubedl, but there are tools that let you specify the resolution you want. |
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| 13:20.31 | tralala | sersn, this works fine without gui. Just install gpm |
| 13:20.44 | coyotee | tralala, ++ |
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| 13:20.56 | coyotee | gpm rocks |
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| 13:23.16 | sersn | tralala, okay thx, i already knew about gpm but im looking for a "mouse-less" option just keys only :) sry that im so focused on that :D |
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| 13:27.03 | sersn | and what about that applications better than youtubedl :) omg iam so excited :) |
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| 13:30.30 | tralala | sersn, w3m can pipe it's buffers, so if you write yourself a small perl parser... or maybe there's a way in w3m to pipe urls or execute external commands on urls, but I'm not aware of it. |
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| 13:31.48 | sersn | so no "easy" way u think ? Ok not a big deal :) |
| 13:31.55 | sersn | thx anyway tralala |
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| 13:34.19 | unkmar | sersn: I'd use screen or optionally tmux. Run your w3m instance in side that and then use it's copy feature. |
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| 13:35.07 | unkmar | sersn: or are you wanting scraping? |
| 13:36.07 | sersn | just to copy urls and use them in different ways not more |
| 13:37.14 | sersn | didnt know that screen offers copy features , embarassing lol^^ |
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| 13:37.49 | unkmar | The default escape key for screen is ^A and the copy paste functions are [ and ]. so that would be ^A[ to copy and ^A] to paste. |
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| 13:38.45 | unkmar | you use the enter key to mark and copy. and either the arrow keys to navigate or the vi movements of hjkl |
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| 13:39.54 | sersn | okay i will give it a try :) soooo tralala said something about " a better programm then youtubedl " ? someone know bout that ? :) |
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| 13:40.03 | unkmar | may even have search ability using / and ?. I don't recall. Using many of those features are so second nature that I don't think about it. |
| 13:42.11 | sersn | id be glad if the essential features of screen are working for me as planed :) |
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| 13:51.54 | oggei | hi |
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| 13:54.38 | Devastator | does anybody is using lxde in wheezy? I opened the file manager but it doesn't show the drives, only home, desktop, trash and applications |
| 13:54.56 | Devastator | shouldn't it show Sda1, 2, 3..? |
| 13:55.04 | Myrtti | why should it? |
| 13:55.29 | Devastator | other mounted drives? |
| 13:55.58 | Devastator | I saw some screenshots that showed an option to show directories or drives, but I can't find it |
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| 13:56.48 | Myrtti | showing external drives I can understand, but showing the inbuilt automounted ones I'm not sure why those would be needed to be shown |
| 13:57.38 | Devastator | why not show other mounted partitions? |
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| 13:59.44 | Devastator | anyway.. i just want to understand why it doesn't show my flash drive for example |
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| 14:04.56 | jhutchins_wk | Devastator: Linux presents the mounted drives as the part of the filesystem from where they're mounted. You can go "up" twice from your home folder and see the root of the filesystem, anything mounted will appear below that. Once mounted, drives/devices/partitions are not treated as individual items but as part of the filesystem. |
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| 14:08.05 | unkmar | Devastator: anything that wasn't given a specific mount point usually gets mounted under /media/ /media/cdrom0 for example. possibly /media/345B-FADE or /media/pendrive |
| 14:08.30 | themill | jhutchins_wk: that doesn't stop the particular file manager from providing you with a link that goes straight to the mount point (and many graphical file managers do exactly that) |
| 14:08.41 | Devastator | ^ |
| 14:08.45 | Devastator | exactly |
| 14:09.22 | Devastator | my flash drive is mounted to /media/usb0, shouldn't pcmanfm provide that link? |
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| 14:10.13 | themill | Devastator: did some desktop-environment automounter mount it there for you? |
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| 14:10.14 | unkmar | And some of us do operations on a drive that require it to not be mounted or.... heaven forbid I choose to charge my phone and the thing gets auto-mounted and starts abusing.. Um, starts scanning the drive. Trying to be useful to import any pictures from my fancy camera. |
| 14:10.45 | Devastator | themill yes, I installed usbmount which installed pmount also |
| 14:10.49 | unkmar | In other words, we don't all fit in the cookie cutter world. |
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| 14:11.27 | themill | Devastator: that sound like things that would mount it in a way that the lxde file manager wouldn't realise that it's a removable device to show it in the list anyway. |
| 14:11.33 | Andymeows | will debian ever run out of toy story characters to name releases after? |
| 14:11.48 | bluenemo | hi guys, i was wondering if there was an apt command with which i can specifically check if the package "foobar" in just that spelling is available? |
| 14:11.55 | bluenemo | Andymeows, ;) |
| 14:12.04 | themill | (I've never used pcmanfm so I can't tell you specifically any more about this -- perhaps there's an lxde channel that can help there) |
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| 14:12.23 | unkmar | And it isn't all the OS's fault. The phone OS could have an option to prevent the mounting being available. but NO. even android doesn't appear to easily allow that feature. |
| 14:12.30 | Devastator | unkmar yes, I agree with you, but I try to make things easier when I can hehe |
| 14:13.28 | jhutchins_wk | unkmar: You can turn automounting off, and anybody who knows enough to mess with unmounted devices knows enough to do it from the console and not a silly GUI. |
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| 14:13.54 | themill | bluenemo: programatically or for your personal inspection? |
| 14:14.09 | bluenemo | no i want to use it in a ruby program |
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| 14:14.16 | jhutchins_wk | bluenemo: You mean like aptitude search foobar? |
| 14:14.17 | themill | bluenemo: apt-cache pkgnames foobar | grep -q "^foobar$" |
| 14:15.00 | themill | (actually, the ^ is not needed there) |
| 14:15.07 | bluenemo | jhutchins_wk, yes but explicitly for this package. as in it should fail if "foobar" doesnt exist with that spelling |
| 14:15.33 | unkmar | honestly, the blame goes to the phone makers for making it so freaking easy to just plugin and steal all data. Phone locked or not. Just plugin and pull the data down. |
| 14:15.41 | jhutchins_wk | bluenemo: Right, themill's suggestion is what you want. |
| 14:16.00 | themill | bluenemo: the exit status from that pipeline will reflect whether that package is known to apt. (not that it is installable or from some other release that you shouldn't use etc... just that it is known) |
| 14:16.15 | bluenemo | yeah that was what i was going for ($?) :) |
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| 14:16.55 | bluenemo | did you try your command with say emacs themill ? |
| 14:17.13 | bluenemo | ah --quite, sorry.. |
| 14:17.19 | bluenemo | quiet.. |
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| 14:26.27 | AceFace | Hello All! :) |
| 14:26.27 | AceFace | I am having an issue with ssh on my server. I tried out 'byobu' and installed it on my ubuntu 12.10 server. Now everytime I login i get "-bash: /usr/bin/byobu-launch: No such file or directory" and NO welcome message (MOTD). Does anyone know how to get rid of the byobu-launch error and restore the motd? |
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| 14:26.47 | adkins | question: i have firefox in my home directory (binary) and want to install flash for it. does anyone know where to copy libflashplayer.so ? |
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| 14:27.59 | abrotman | AceFace: how is this related to Debian? |
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| 14:28.37 | adkins | abrotman: there is a relation ;) |
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| 14:29.10 | abrotman | not that belongs here |
| 14:29.23 | AceFace | abrotman: i would assume i could try a similar fix that would be applied to debian |
| 14:29.24 | adkins | i know, thats why " ;) " |
| 14:29.38 | abrotman | AceFace: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu support, thank you |
| 14:29.42 | drasko | os-prober used by Grub in Debian Wheezy seems broken for UEFI images. Here is a workaround that worked for me : http://falstaff.agner.ch/2012/12/18/ubuntu-12-10-and-windows-8-with-secure-boot-mode/ |
| 14:29.51 | babilen | adkins: I would recommend to install Iceweasel and flashplugin-nonfree -- That way you have both a working browser and flash. |
| 14:29.52 | abrotman | adkins: install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:30.34 | AceFace | alright. in debian, when initiating an ssh session, is there a configuration that would cause byobu to run everytime i log in? |
| 14:30.36 | babilen | drasko: Would you mind commenting on the bug I mentioned earlier? I spoke to the maintainer about your problem earlier and he'll look into it tonight. Additional information would definitely come in handy. |
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| 14:31.06 | babilen | drasko: You /did/ test the workaround in the bug report after you changed your "serch" typo to "search" didn't you? (and ran update-grub2) |
| 14:31.32 | drasko | babilen, yes. Did not work |
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| 14:31.49 | abrotman | AceFace: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu for support |
| 14:31.53 | babilen | drasko: Ah, damn .. so you ran that script? |
| 14:32.08 | drasko | probel imho is the missing drivers in my grub.cfg : not inserted for example fat module |
| 14:32.32 | drasko | this script basically do os-prober job |
| 14:32.49 | babilen | drasko: yeah, there are a couple of things that are wrong about the UEFI handling ... fwiw, I wouldn't recommend to simply run scripts like that, but this one (I found that earlier too) looks okayish ... |
| 14:32.51 | drasko | and creates very similar grub.cfg entry |
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| 14:33.41 | drasko | except that it adds some modules in the begining. I will comment it on the bug. Can you please point me again to the bug number ? |
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| 14:34.09 | babilen | drasko: yeah, there is another patch for os-prober that is being shipped in openSUSE to fix this problem ... Please mention that this fixes the problem for you on the http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698914 report |
| 14:34.30 | drasko | thanks |
| 14:34.58 | babilen | drasko: We would very much like to get this problem fixed tonight, so any additional information you can provide will help :) |
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| 14:35.28 | drasko | No prob, I am on it. I will describe all I discovered. |
| 14:36.21 | babilen | wonderful, thanks! |
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| 14:40.30 | adkins | abrotman: flashplugin-nonfree was already installed on my system. maybe my binary firefox version in homedirectory doesnt work with that or something? |
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| 14:41.57 | abrotman | adkins: probably not .. that's why babilen suggested using iceweasel |
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| 14:42.02 | abrotman | !tell adkins about dmn |
| 14:42.05 | abrotman | no ... |
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| 14:42.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell adkins about mdn |
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| 14:48.55 | bassgeisha | so is there a complete noob debian channel |
| 14:48.57 | bassgeisha | heh |
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| 14:49.04 | babilen | adkins: So, does it work with iceweasel? |
| 14:49.08 | babilen | bassgeisha: This one is fine :) |
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| 14:49.39 | babilen | bassgeisha: And trust me: You want at least /some/ people in the channel to know what they are talking about. |
| 14:49.48 | legov | Has anyone partitioned any of the advanced format disks (4096 byte physical sectors) for a RAID 5? |
| 14:50.11 | adkins | babilen: flash in iceweasel was already working..... |
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| 14:50.19 | legov | I'm setting up a software raid 5 and I'm getting this when I create a primary partition on one of the disks: |
| 14:50.20 | legov | /dev/sda1 12 97452 782692027 83 Linux |
| 14:50.20 | legov | Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary. |
| 14:50.44 | babilen | adkins: Great, so ... the problem has been solved then? |
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| 14:50.58 | bassgeisha | hah okay well.. my friend who is mr linux guruman or wtf ever. started a debbian install on my laptop omg no compiling kernels!! anyway his bitchy gf cut it short. so.. i uh finished the stupid simple gui install and now have a terminal. annnd well #1 i've heard of ubuntu n all that. I'd like to install something like ubuntu if possible |
| 14:51.00 | adkins | well i wanted flash to be workin in firefox |
| 14:51.09 | adkins | so i would say no |
| 14:51.12 | babilen | Does d-i (or partman) align partitions properly these days? |
| 14:51.16 | bassgeisha | and i need to figure out if i partitioned over my entire windows somehow. shows 3 |
| 14:51.41 | babilen | adkins: We do not ship Firefox, but Iceweasel (rebranded FF) -- Why do you require Firefox? |
| 14:51.44 | jpw | legov: it's your MBR. |
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| 14:52.03 | legov | jpw: do you have any advice on partitioning the disks for the array? |
| 14:52.07 | legov | i want to allocate /all/ the space |
| 14:52.54 | jpw | legov: when using software raid you need your MBR and /boot outside of the array else groub wouldn't be able to load the drivers to load the rest of the OS. short answer you can't. |
| 14:53.03 | adkins | babilen: i just found a site on the web which has some videos, which can be played by windows 7 but not by chrome and iceweasel in debian, so i wanted to find out if firefox can do that |
| 14:53.07 | babilen | bassgeisha: If you want to install Ubuntu you should ask for help with that in #ubuntu -- Apart from that you can, naturally, get help here with installing Debian. If you do not have a graphical environment after the installation soemthing went wrong or you did opt /not/ to install the "Desktop" task |
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| 14:53.19 | legov | jpw: this is a data array. i'm not installing an OS on it |
| 14:53.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell bassgeisha -about install wheezy |
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| 14:53.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell bassgeisha -about firmware images wheezy |
| 14:53.32 | bassgeisha | is ubuntu the best tho? |
| 14:53.37 | adkins | these videos are not important, just wondering....so.....not a real problem |
| 14:53.45 | themill | bassgeisha: you're in #debian |
| 14:53.55 | bassgeisha | is there anything optimized for debian |
| 14:54.07 | legov | jpw: i also don't anticipate using it as a system drive, so i want to allocate all space into a single partition |
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| 14:54.27 | dgbaley27 | Hey, I'm having a few issues building a simple .deb. First question: is it possible to store file permissions and ownership in the deb? Or do I need to set stuff like that in a postinst? |
| 14:54.28 | babilen | bassgeisha: Just make sure to install the "Desktop" task -- It is probably also possible to install it from the command line that you are using now, what does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 14:54.56 | bassgeisha | im not in front of my lappy it is at home. but ill write that line down |
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| 14:55.28 | jpw | legov: how did you create the partitions? fdisk? |
| 14:55.52 | legov | I used cfdisk |
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| 14:56.35 | babilen | bassgeisha: The Debian (wheezy!) installation is also detailed in http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/index.html.en -- You can get images from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ (these come with firmware) or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:56.48 | legov | Basically, I'm not understanding the implications of the advanced format disk and if I'm losing out on performance by not partitioning it properly |
| 14:56.51 | themill | dgbaley27: sure, but you would normally only do so for users and groups that are in the base system since dynamically created users will have different UIDs etc. If you do it in the postinst, make sure to obey dpkg-statoverride (see policy for this). Also make sure you don't create gaping security holes (esp with recursive chmod or chown). |
| 14:57.54 | bassgeisha | i had problems with networking. couldnt get it to get its own ip etc. friend said to plug it directly into router. idk ill go after him with my heavy laptop and theraten to beat him up if he doesnt finish helping me ;) |
| 14:57.54 | bassgeisha | jk |
| 14:57.57 | bassgeisha | writing that down |
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| 14:58.06 | dgbaley27 | themill: thanks, I'm building the .deb by having an install_root/ dir which contains install_root/DEBIAN/control. does dh_fixperms get run when I install? |
| 14:58.14 | babilen | adkins: Well, give it a try. You typically copy it into the "plugin" directory, but ask about that in a mozilla channel. You could probably also change your User Agent in Iceweasel to say "I am Firefox" or "I am Internet Explorer" |
| 14:58.31 | themill | dgbaley27: dh_fixperms is run at build time not at install time |
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| 14:59.08 | babilen | bassgeisha: Those installers should work both with wireless or over ethernet. Wireless might require you to have firmware (which is why I linked you to those images) .. |
| 14:59.42 | babilen | bassgeisha: Just make sure to install wheezy and the "Desktop" task during the installation. Also read http://debian-handbook.info/ to learn about your new system. |
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| 14:59.50 | bassgeisha | i was sharing the internet from another pc |
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| 14:59.53 | bassgeisha | windows recognized it |
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| 14:59.58 | bassgeisha | on the machine before install |
| 15:00.00 | dgbaley27 | Next question. I'm trying to provide/replace nslcd >=0.8.0 in my package, after my package is installed I try to install libnss-ldapd, which requires nslcd >= 0.7.0 (I think). However, dpkg complains about an impossible situation. I've tried a bunch of difference combos of provides / replaces / conflicts without luck. Is there something obvious that I'm doing wrong? |
| 15:00.32 | themill | dgbaley27: you can't satisfy a versioned dependency with a Provides |
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| 15:00.48 | babilen | bassgeisha: "sharing internet" could essentially mean anything. I would recommend a direct connection to the network (i.e. router via ethernet or wireless) for the installation. |
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| 15:01.19 | bassgeisha | yeah |
| 15:01.27 | bassgeisha | it was ethernet connection |
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| 15:01.36 | bassgeisha | since the wireless didnt want to work |
| 15:02.25 | dgbaley27 | themill: but what if I have Provides: nslcd // Replaces: nslcd (>=0.8.0). Shouldn't a package that depends on nslcd (>=0.7.0) be satisified? |
| 15:02.37 | themill | no |
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| 15:03.25 | dgbaley27 | So if a package has any versioned dependency, then it must be met by a package of exactly the same name? |
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| 15:04.02 | mumpi | dgbaley27: if it's package (=1.1.27) then yes. usually it's >= tho |
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| 15:04.59 | themill | dgbaley27: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual (4th paragraph of that section in particular) |
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| 15:08.41 | linduxed | how would i change the TTY layout to colemak on a freshly installed system? |
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| 15:08.50 | Lars_G | Hi peeps. |
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| 15:09.47 | Lars_G | Is there a way to build a kernel .deb for stable that's easier and more robust and in between trying to have the experimental .dsc work in stable and trying to package a build by hand? |
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| 15:11.46 | Lars_G | duh http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 15:11.48 | Lars_G | sorry |
| 15:11.55 | dgbaley27 | themill: the thing is, there are no virtual packages in the picture here. nslcd is a concrete package. My package is (obviously) concrete, and libnss-ldapd is also concrete |
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| 15:12.21 | babilen | Lars_G: no, follow http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 15:12.33 | Lars_G | babilen: Ok |
| 15:12.40 | babilen | Lars_G: I do not understand your question though ... Why do you want to compile a kernel? |
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| 15:12.58 | themill | dgbaley27: as soon as you talk about Provides, you're talking about virtual packages |
| 15:13.39 | dgbaley27 | I removed the provides line and now only have Replaces: nslcd (>=0.8.0). Now when I try to install libnss-ldapd, dpkg tries to remove my package and install nslcd |
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| 15:14.30 | Lars_G | babilen: I want to make a 3.8.8 package for squeeze |
| 15:15.04 | themill | dgbaley27: sure. That is entirely to be expected by that specification |
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| 15:15.56 | drasko | babilen, bug reported : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698914#10 |
| 15:16.00 | dgbaley27 | themill: ok =). Do you see what I'm trying to do though? And is there any way to do it simply by setting the meta-data of my own package? |
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| 15:18.57 | babilen | drasko: merci! |
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| 15:19.59 | babilen | drasko: That will almost certainly help us in sorting this problem out before the release. Have a nice day and enjoy dual-booting ;) |
| 15:21.03 | babilen | Lars_G: 3.8.5 is in experimental -- why do you need 3.8.8 ? (would Debian's 3.2 work too?) |
| 15:21.57 | drasko | babilen, thanks. Glad to help. |
| 15:22.40 | jelly | 3.8.8 hass all the fixes |
| 15:22.56 | Lars_G | Thanks for your help, I'll take it from here |
| 15:23.34 | LaneZous | ;-) |
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| 15:33.18 | invariant | How is X=A B C to be interpreted in /etc/environment? Is it simply an error? (and thus does it have to be X="A B C") I also don't quite understand why this isn't documented anywhere. In particular, what about X="? Also an error? |
| 15:35.46 | dondelelcaro | invariant: it's an error, and it should be X="A B C", yes. |
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| 15:37.07 | user | Has any one been able to install Debian on a tablet? |
| 15:37.09 | dondelelcaro | invariant: it in general follows shell variable assignment rules; it's documented in pam_env and pam_env.conf |
| 15:37.11 | _DomY-Dom | Hello, I'm an idiot, I just rm -rf /usr/share/doc on my server, how bad is that? |
| 15:37.25 | ksk | _DomY-Dom: restore from backup ;) |
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| 15:38.06 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: not that bad, actually. |
| 15:38.23 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: you can just reinstall all of the packages you had installed to get it back |
| 15:38.30 | invariant | dondelelcaro, where does it refer to /etc/environment? |
| 15:38.49 | invariant | dondelelcaro, I only saw it under the files section. |
| 15:38.56 | _DomY-Dom | ksk: I don't have a backup :/ |
| 15:39.02 | invariant | dondelelcaro, but it doesn't say that it documents /etc/environment. |
| 15:39.08 | dondelelcaro | invariant: This module can also parse a file with simple KEY=VAL pairs on separate lines (/etc/environment by default) |
| 15:39.18 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: and yes, it's time to get yourself a backup. |
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| 15:39.21 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: Meaning? How useful is it? And I mean how do I find out all the packages I have? |
| 15:39.32 | themill | invariant: «This module can also parse a file with simple KEY=VAL pairs on separate lines (/etc/environment by default).» |
| 15:39.36 | invariant | dondelelcaro, doesn't say that it does. |
| 15:39.53 | invariant | dondelelcaro, nor that it is authorative for the format. |
| 15:40.05 | dondelelcaro | invariant: that's why I gave you two manpages to read. |
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| 15:40.22 | dondelelcaro | invariant: but hey, if it's not clear, feel free to suggest documentation patches. |
| 15:40.30 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: Meaning? How useful is it? And I mean how do I find out all the packages I have? * |
| 15:40.45 | kooldavi | Hi there. I have installed Debian on my Android-Tablet, installed ZNC and added a new user. Now I want to run ZNC, but it says that it's unable to bind to the Port. Does someone know what to do? It says that the permission is denied. Do I have to add the user to a spechial grouo with special permissions or smth. like that? |
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| 15:41.19 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: unless you've got user data in /usr/share/doc (unusual), it'll restore everything. |
| 15:41.29 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: just aptitude reinstall '~i'; |
| 15:41.35 | invariant | dondelelcaro, ok, I now see it. I'd prefer man environment to work. |
| 15:42.29 | dondelelcaro | invariant: submit a wishlist patch to libpam-modules |
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| 15:44.58 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: No I didn't get the doc folder back |
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| 15:46.45 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: uh.. reinstalling all of that will get you the /usr/share/doc folder back. |
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| 15:47.12 | user | kooldavi what tablet do you have? |
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| 15:48.51 | kooldavi | user: I use a Lenovo Ideapad A107. Does this matter? |
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| 15:54.17 | user | kooldavi did you root it? to install it? |
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| 15:58.48 | kooldavi | user: Yes, it's rooted. |
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| 16:00.24 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: This is the output of aptitude reinstall '~i' and yet after this there is still no /usr/share/doc folder: http://sprunge.us/VaXA |
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| 16:01.05 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: you have to let the reinstall complete. |
| 16:01.41 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: It stops after the last line of that output |
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| 16:01.58 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: uh.. it shouldn't stop. |
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| 16:02.49 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: After the last line (that is from the output I showed you "E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download") it stops. |
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| 16:03.41 | awc737 | Hi. I can't SSH out anymore, I think it's my works firewall, but they claim nothing changed |
| 16:04.09 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: So ? |
| 16:05.00 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: uh... it would have been useful to have been told that at the start. |
| 16:05.11 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: so apt-get update; and then try running aptitude reinstall '~i'; again. |
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| 16:05.24 | awc737 | is there a way to test if port 22 is blocked by the firewall? |
| 16:05.25 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: if you get the same error, /msg dpkg reinstall; and follow the apt-get instructions. |
| 16:05.26 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: I had apt-get updated but never mind, let me try again. |
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| 16:05.50 | awc737 | Here is what ssh verbose tells me: http://paste.laravel.com/pa5 |
| 16:06.43 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: Output of "apt-get update" => http://sprunge.us/LTJU |
| 16:06.53 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: should I try /msg dpkg reinstall ? |
| 16:07.09 | dondelelcaro | awc737: hard to know. Try connecting to a different machine which is known to accept ssh |
| 16:07.23 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: yes. |
| 16:07.40 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: you want the instructions which use awk and dpkg and apt-get. |
| 16:07.51 | awc737 | dondelelcaro:I've tried connecting to four servers, I know they accept ssh |
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| 16:08.25 | awc737 | I think that Centrify software might be interferring |
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| 16:08.35 | awc737 | do those centrify lines look wierd in my verbose log |
| 16:09.16 | abyxcos | Does anyone know of any laptops that are roughly the form factor of a macbook air or lenovo X (the thin one,) at a sub 1.000usd price point? Can't tell if google is being difficult, or they don't exist. |
| 16:09.30 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: It does everything but at the end I also get: "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'bash'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" |
| 16:09.34 | dondelelcaro | awc737: uh... that's not Debian's ssh. |
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| 16:09.49 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: that's not everything. |
| 16:09.57 | abyxcos | Best I can find are the low-end Chromebooks. |
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| 16:10.45 | awc737 | dondelelcaro:I uninstalled cenrtify, now I get this: -bash: /usr/share/centrifydc/bin/ssh: No such file or directory |
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| 16:11.32 | dondelelcaro | awc737: well, looks like whatever centrifydc is, it's screwed up all sorts of things |
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| 16:12.03 | awc737 | yeah lol it looks like it |
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| 16:12.43 | awc737 | it looks like my ssh command is trying to use /usr/share/centrifydc/etc instead of /usr/bin/ssh |
| 16:12.46 | awc737 | how can I change that back |
| 16:13.14 | dondelelcaro | awc737: it's probably mucked with your PATH |
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| 16:13.55 | awc737 | wow |
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| 16:17.10 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: Here is the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install" and "aptitude update" in succession => http://cl.ly/image/361l2w2f3z3O |
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| 16:17.54 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: After that, aptitude reinstall '~i' still gives the same output. |
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| 16:18.40 | awc737 | how can I restore the ssh path |
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| 16:19.11 | tremon | _DomY-Dom: try adding -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false to that. The two commands you listed are more or less equivalent |
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| 16:19.51 | tremon | chances are that it fails anyway, but it's worth a shot |
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| 16:21.18 | dondelelcaro | awc737: fix PATH, and it should be ok. |
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| 16:24.06 | dima_ | How come we need to use export PATH=stuff:/morestuff. When PATH=stuff:/morestuff works exactly the same? |
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| 16:24.23 | dima_ | Is setting PATH= the same as export? |
| 16:24.37 | dondelelcaro | dima_: no. |
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| 16:25.21 | dima_ | Can you send me to a web page which explains it, or if you generous explain it? |
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| 16:25.47 | dondelelcaro | dima_: if you mark a variable as exported, it gets exported to child processes. For example, a subshell. |
| 16:25.53 | _DomY-Do1 | dondelelcaro: Not sure if you got my message but didn't see your reply. |
| 16:26.08 | awc737 | I used /usr/bin/ssh, but it still timed out :/ |
| 16:26.09 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/paf |
| 16:26.23 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 16:26.24 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Do1: tremon had a suggestion which should work. |
| 16:28.05 | dondelelcaro | awc737: yeah, it's definitely something in between you and your servers. I'd first check your iptables rules, and then try checking on the local network to make sure that you actually see packets leaving |
| 16:28.11 | dondelelcaro | awc737: can you ssh to something local? |
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| 16:28.37 | awc737 | dondelelcaro:ssh -v localhost ? |
| 16:28.46 | dondelelcaro | awc737: less local than that |
| 16:28.47 | dima_ | dondelelcaro: thank you, that makes sense. How can I test it? What would be a child process I can run to test it out? |
| 16:28.51 | _DomY-Dom | tremon: Unfortunately I got disconnected in the process, could you please tell me your solution again please :) ? |
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| 16:29.10 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: 09:19:10 <tremon> _DomY-Dom: try adding -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false to that. |
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| 16:29.27 | dondelelcaro | dima_: you can run bash from bash, for example. |
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| 16:30.00 | dondelelcaro | dima_: FOO="bar"; echo $FOO; bash -c 'echo $FOO'; |
| 16:30.12 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro & tremon: just on the end of it ? |
| 16:30.15 | dondelelcaro | dima_: versus FOO="bar"; echo $FOO; export FOO; bash -c 'echo $FOO'; |
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| 16:30.30 | awc737 | dondelelcaro:I don't know any other local servers |
| 16:30.39 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: no, as part of the apt-get --reinstall install, so it should be apt-get --reinstall -o APT::Immediate-Configure=false install |
| 16:30.49 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: k |
| 16:32.02 | samruger | trying to find the command that lets me set the default browser, im not having much luck with google. does anyone know it off the top of their head? |
| 16:32.09 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: This is the output => http://sprunge.us/EWTV and there is still no /usr/share/doc folder |
| 16:33.42 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 16:33.59 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: Need to go, will message you later. |
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| 16:37.20 | debdeb | hi |
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| 16:39.32 | debdeb | I have a GUI-programm which i start with: host1$ ssh -X user@host2 "GUI-program". it starts the GUI on host1 correktly. unfortunately host2 is very old and slow. how could i pimp the connection? |
| 16:39.55 | debdeb | s/correktly/correcly |
| 16:39.58 | Mahjongg | is there a packages.debian.org for Wheezy, still? how can I search for a file to find packages it is contained in using dpkg |
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| 16:40.49 | dima_ | dondelelcaro: thank you sir. |
| 16:41.01 | debdeb | am i right that the data is tunneled through ssh wehen i start with ssh -X? |
| 16:41.57 | debdeb | if yes: is ist pssible to start the command through ssh and "pump" the GUI-data not over ssh but directly to the x-server on host1? |
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| 16:42.48 | debdeb | i mean unencrypted and fast |
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| 16:43.05 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: You can mess with encryption and compression settings of ssh. |
| 16:43.20 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: There is no direct transfer method. |
| 16:44.07 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: i have allready looked in "man ssh"... but i dont find anything to shutoff encryption |
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| 16:44.32 | dima_ | i don't think ssh can work without encryption |
| 16:44.34 | debdeb | not even as a test-switch with "never do this at home!" ;-) |
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| 16:44.53 | debdeb | s/test/force |
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| 16:45.59 | debdeb | and i dont really want to mess with the ssh-encryption for the ssh-connection, which issues the command |
| 16:46.16 | debdeb | i mean... the command-connection should stay secure |
| 16:46.25 | debdeb | just the data should be quicker |
| 16:46.36 | debdeb | a little bit like with ftp |
| 16:46.55 | sacredchao | I am running sid amd64 on an ASUS Zenbook UX32VD and I cannot soft suspend |
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| 16:47.34 | betfan | http://tinyurl.com/c3cvxz3 best soccer tips site... i`ve bought from them |
| 16:47.50 | debdeb | or how would you speed up ssh-connections? just for a test, if the GUI-program is quicker then |
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| 16:48.00 | sacredchao | It tries to shut down devices (for example the screen goes black for a second and the wifi disconnects) but then always immediately wakes up again and asked for my password at lock screen |
| 16:48.35 | sacredchao | How can I debug suspend to RAM immediately waking up again? |
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| 16:49.10 | debdeb | maybe a link to a "ssh-sped-up-howto"? |
| 16:49.52 | debdeb | sacredchao: /var/log/... there are my suspend-logs |
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| 16:51.05 | debdeb | sacredchao: and i had the same problem once... the problem was for example a: "watch -n1 'df'" |
| 16:51.55 | debdeb | sacredchao: the same was for a gnome-applet, which looks for df on harddisk |
| 16:52.12 | debdeb | without the gnome-applet suspend worked |
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| 16:54.15 | sacredchao | debdeb: What are the suspend logs named in /var/log ? |
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| 16:55.27 | debdeb | /var/log/pm-suspend.log |
| 16:55.42 | sacredchao | I'm not sure how to use watch to find out which app is preventing suspend |
| 16:56.01 | debdeb | and pm-powersave.log |
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| 16:56.57 | sacredchao | http://paste.debian.net/77/ is that log file for me |
| 16:57.36 | debdeb | i have not used watch to do that. it was just an example, that it was something which prevented suspend |
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| 16:57.54 | sacredchao | Ah ok |
| 16:58.00 | debdeb | do you have any hardware-monitoring on? |
| 16:58.20 | sacredchao | Well I'm looking at this log for any info about what app might be preventing suspend but don't see anything |
| 16:58.35 | debdeb | especially something, which tells how much of your harddisk uis used? |
| 16:59.10 | sacredchao | I am not sure, I don't think so |
| 16:59.36 | debdeb | if yes: kill it before trying to suspend |
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| 16:59.55 | debdeb | just kill... so that it is there at next boot |
| 17:00.35 | Leoneof | why checkinstall is not recommend? |
| 17:01.05 | debdeb | in /var/log/pm-suspend.log i had weird kernel-messages, when suspend didnt work |
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| 17:03.01 | debdeb | back to my ssh-problem: any hints how to speed it up for X-connections? |
| 17:03.53 | debdeb | or another problem |
| 17:04.30 | debdeb | the ssh-connection to that old machine is very slow, too, when i just put a simple command there |
| 17:04.54 | debdeb | without ssh -X... GUI, tto i mean |
| 17:04.57 | debdeb | too |
| 17:05.05 | dondelelcaro | debdeb: you can use connection multiplexing to speed things up |
| 17:05.20 | debdeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.24 | ChibaPet | debdeb: You can enable compression, but that should really only help over very bad connections. |
| 17:05.30 | harrison | fresh install of debian stable. aoshome/aos.linux: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.31 | harrison | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.31 | harrison | /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 |
| 17:05.31 | harrison | /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.3.0 |
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| 17:05.33 | debdeb | dondelelcaro: that may be what i mean |
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| 17:05.44 | dondelelcaro | debdeb: yes. man ssh_config; for details |
| 17:05.52 | harrison | that was never a flood |
| 17:05.54 | dondelelcaro | (ControlMaster and ControlPath are what you're looking for |
| 17:05.56 | debdeb | ChibaPet: its not the connection... its the old machine on the other side |
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| 17:06.12 | debdeb | ChibaPet: its a LAN-connection with 100 mbit/s |
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| 17:06.21 | harrison | fresh install of debian stable. aoshome/aos.linux: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:06.43 | harrison | But the library exists, of course. What is wrong? |
| 17:06.45 | dondelelcaro | harrison: what is aos.linux? what does ldd /path/to/aos.linux output? |
| 17:06.48 | debdeb | dondelelcaro: it was not very easy to understand. how does that work? |
| 17:06.53 | dima_ | dondelelcaro: why is it that your example for exporting a variable works as stated. But PATH is updated on child processes as with you example I see that the $PATH has been changed using bash -c 'echo $PATH' |
| 17:07.10 | dondelelcaro | dima_: because path is already exported |
| 17:07.22 | debdeb | and does it work, when i have a sshfs-connection... and the next ssh-command uses that connection? |
| 17:07.26 | dondelelcaro | dima_: you don't need to do export FOO; for a variable which is already marked to be updated |
| 17:07.37 | dondelelcaro | debdeb: yes |
| 17:07.52 | ChibaPet | debdeb: Then, consider not piping X. It might make more sense to use sshfs and a local client, or something similar. |
| 17:07.53 | dima_ | dondelelcaro: oooh! Makes perfect sense. Thanks you sir. |
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| 17:08.16 | harrison | dondelelcaro : http://pastebin.com/TCTzy4Mn |
| 17:08.56 | dima_ | ls |
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| 17:09.29 | harrison | http://pastebin.com/diT6N85M |
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| 17:10.30 | dondelelcaro | harrison: what does ls -l /usr/lib/libX11.so.6; ls -l $(readlink -f /usr/lib/X11.so.6); output? |
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| 17:11.17 | debdeb | dondelelcaro:then it may help in another thing: i use ssh-commands to use libnotify on the other machine... and this is very cpu-intensive for every connection |
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| 17:12.30 | debdeb | ChibaPet: no, it makes not more sense... i use ssh -X to host2 to not use the limited ressources on host1 |
| 17:12.42 | harrison | dondelelcaro http://pastebin.com/TW7gLM6y |
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| 17:13.19 | debdeb | ChibaPet: it is a java-GUI-program on host2... very ram- and cpu-intensive |
| 17:13.25 | dondelelcaro | harrison: err, sorry; that should have been libX11.so.6 |
| 17:14.11 | debdeb | fyi... it is tv-browser |
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| 17:14.56 | harrison | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Apr 24 11:42 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.3.0 |
| 17:15.22 | dondelelcaro | harrison: cool; and libX11.so.6.3.0 exists, and looks reasonable from ls -l? |
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| 17:15.52 | harrison | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1289728 Nov 19 2010 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.3.0 |
| 17:16.19 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 17:16.31 | harrison | if i knew what looked reasonable i would not need to ask for assistance |
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| 17:18.47 | debdeb | i remember "in the old days" i used X-GUI-forwarding without ssh... is there a quick way to do it? yes security is bad... but just for a test |
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| 17:19.14 | debdeb | i remember doing something like "host +" or such |
| 17:19.19 | dondelelcaro | harrison: anyway, that all seems to be ok. |
| 17:19.35 | dondelelcaro | harrison: what is the output of objdump -x /usr/aos/aos.linux; ? |
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| 17:20.21 | harrison | bash: objdump: command not found |
| 17:20.30 | debdeb | hmmm... no, not "host +"... but something with "$command +" |
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| 17:21.06 | dondelelcaro | debdeb: xhost is what you're looking for, but it's really insecure |
| 17:21.17 | dondelelcaro | harrison: apt-get install binutils; and try again |
| 17:21.18 | debdeb | ahh. yes.. xhost |
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| 17:21.52 | kn12lk | hi guys ... i want to setup a VPN connection on commandline, well what i already have is the gateway the .ca , .key, crt file i need to connect and all settings to do. But i have no idea how to do it on commandline |
| 17:21.53 | kn12lk | [19:19] <kn12lk> can someone help me :) |
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| 17:22.16 | kn12lk | well i have to add that im working on opensuse 12.3 right now but i guess its probably quite the same |
| 17:22.18 | debdeb | and yes, i know its insecure.. but internal LAN at home... if someone is able to attack me because of that... i have other problems |
| 17:22.24 | dondelelcaro | kn12lk: man openvpn; for details... and #suse can help you. |
| 17:22.59 | kn12lk | well they cant cause no one is answering :D so i tried here but thx anyway |
| 17:23.17 | harrison | dondelelcaro http://pastebin.com/3vc5iqR1 |
| 17:24.12 | harrison | i should add that this executable works on other debian systems |
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| 17:25.05 | abrotman | is harrison actually using Debian now? not siduction like two days ago? |
| 17:25.18 | abrotman | and even the project leader of siduction had given up |
| 17:25.22 | harrison | that is TRUE! |
| 17:25.24 | debdeb | ok at the recieving machine i have to do a "xhost +" but what on the sending one? i think i have to declare the DISPLAY somehow? |
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| 17:25.42 | harrison | i am installing debian stable on one partition |
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| 17:26.03 | harrison | to see if that corrects the subtle and horrible bug |
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| 17:26.47 | harrison | which is not the same as this bug which i am asking for help with now which is COMPLETELY RELEVANT TO THIS CHANNEL THX VERY MUCH |
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| 17:27.06 | abrotman | stop yelling |
| 17:27.13 | dondelelcaro | harrison: uh... what architecture and version of Debian is this? |
| 17:27.15 | harrison | stop sniping |
| 17:27.22 | abrotman | stop being offtopic? |
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| 17:28.20 | harrison | dondelelcaro i don't seem to have inxi or infobash now or i would answer straight off |
| 17:28.53 | dondelelcaro | harrison: uname -a; and lsb_release -a; will tell you. |
| 17:29.08 | debdeb | dondelelcaro: and thanks, btw ;-) |
| 17:29.34 | dondelelcaro | harrison: but just looking, your library layout doesn't match anything that I've seen, and it kind of looks like you're mising i386 executables on amd64. |
| 17:29.42 | dondelelcaro | harrison: presumably you haven't installed ia32-libs |
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| 17:29.52 | harrison | Linux debianbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 00:26:11 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 |
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| 17:30.27 | dondelelcaro | harrison: so yes, you don't have the ia32 version of libX11.so.6 |
| 17:30.44 | harrison | ok , that solves it |
| 17:31.02 | harrison | i know how to proceed. |
| 17:31.04 | harrison | thx |
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| 17:33.18 | harrison | i often wonder what life could be like if i was not stupid |
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| 17:33.42 | abrotman | QOTD? :) |
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| 17:34.19 | harrison | well, only because a) now is today and b) i just said it |
| 17:34.29 | harrison | ty |
| 17:34.58 | M-16 | hello |
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| 17:35.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: done |
| 17:36.26 | jelly-home | ooh, ten new quotes in qotd0 |
| 17:36.52 | M-16 | the process tumblerd, when new thumbnails needs to be created, employ 100% of my cpu for a long time? Wich packge does it belongs? |
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| 17:37.30 | well_laid_lawn | thunar uses it for one |
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| 17:38.14 | M-16 | well_laid_lawn, so there is no way to eliminate it if i want keep using thunar? |
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| 17:40.41 | M-16 | nevermind, i found there is a package named thumbler, thumblerd sould belong to it |
| 17:41.40 | harrison | what a relief: the posix_memalign bug does NOT occur under debian stable! if it did then it would have been a mysterious hardware problem, perhaps. but it doesn't. so it IS related to siduction, or to the kernel version, or something. |
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| 17:57.01 | bolt | !dpkg wtf iirc |
| 17:57.03 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 17:57.05 | bolt | :/ |
| 17:57.10 | bolt | dpkg, y u no find binary? |
| 17:57.12 | dpkg | bolt: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:58.08 | bolt | someone apt-get install bsdgames on dpkg? |
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| 17:59.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: thanks :) |
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| 18:00.22 | abrotman | harrison: you do realize that Stable is very different from unstable/siduction, right ? |
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| 18:17.18 | harrison | abrotman: you have no idea what i am doing. |
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| 18:18.53 | abrotman | thank goodness |
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| 18:34.03 | linduxed | hey guys, i converted a debian virtualbox machine to a raw image then dd'd it onto a disk |
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| 18:34.34 | linduxed | so i tried booting the disk on another computer and the main issue is that it can't get the eth0 up |
| 18:34.58 | linduxed | when i try to do sudo ifup eth0 it gets SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 18:35.12 | linduxed | so i assume that it's still looking for the virtualbox adapter or something like that |
| 18:35.27 | linduxed | how can i have it use the hardware instead |
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| 18:35.40 | linduxed | (or whatever i need to do to get it fixed) |
| 18:35.42 | linduxed | ? |
| 18:37.42 | linduxed | right now /etc/network/interfaces has (replace the semicolons with newlines): auto lo;iface lo inet loopback;allow-hotplug eth0;iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 18:46.00 | Klaus_Dieter | hello |
| 18:46.34 | Klaus_Dieter | when I boot my machine it does not give me a logon prompt via serial console. I can log in via ssh though. What should I have a look at to find the problem? |
| 18:47.00 | Klaus_Dieter | this is my inittab: http://paste.debian.net/98/ |
| 18:47.29 | jb___ | I'm trying to install debian as a kvm guest with this command: http://pastebin.com/r8UFysyW. The install starts and works just fine, until the actual copying of content starts, then it takes about an hour to install a bare minimum net-install. I've tried running live-cd's and they are responsive to use, until I start to install from them. Any suggestions what I have might missed? |
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| 18:48.40 | Klaus_Dieter | jb___: this sounds like it is due to slow IO. check your dma settings |
| 18:49.44 | Klaus_Dieter | nevermind, the inittab thing was a pebcak |
| 18:49.45 | jb___ | Klaus_Dieter: Could you be a bit more specific? DMA for the host or guest? |
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| 18:50.28 | grn_ | could you recommend me a remote backup utility that encrypts backed up files? |
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| 18:51.15 | Klaus_Dieter | grn: I use my own script darbackup as a frontend to dar |
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| 18:56.35 | grn | I'm considering duplicity but the homepage claims its still in beta |
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| 18:59.20 | jb___ | hmm. The install is realy slow, but inside the kvm guest everything seems responsive enough |
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| 19:06.14 | steelnwool | so i've got a loaded question... |
| 19:06.51 | steelnwool | for a server... does ubuntu add things on top that debian just lacks, or is it really not all that different? |
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| 19:08.21 | debdeb | does ubuntu include amazon-shopping-suggestions in "find"? ;-) |
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| 19:09.04 | steelnwool | ubuntu does in FIND? i knew they did whatever xorg gui they ship.. but in find? seriously/ |
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| 19:09.07 | steelnwool | ? |
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| 19:09.19 | steelnwool | thats hilarious and gross at the same time. |
| 19:09.54 | steelnwool | i guess part of what i'm asking is, does ubuntu have packages that debian doesn't, or is debian so complete that i'm asking stupid questions? |
| 19:10.05 | debdeb | *g* it was an ironically question |
| 19:10.07 | steelnwool | i've used linux forever, but just have never played with debian specifically. |
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| 19:10.23 | Towzzer | ubuntu has packages that debian doesn't in the repos installed by default |
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| 19:11.59 | steelnwool | i think last time i tried debian the installer was terrifying and i was a freebsd person. so i'm gonna at least install a vm and fart around |
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| 19:14.43 | jhutchins_wk | steelnwool: Give it a shot! |
| 19:14.56 | steelnwool | aye. doing now. seems more or less the same on first impression. |
| 19:15.08 | jhutchins_wk | steelnwool: That's the best way to answer your questions. |
| 19:15.29 | steelnwool | ubuntu does some really nifty ways of formatting configuration files etc that R-HELL doens't , so I'm hoping debian does as well. |
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| 19:15.43 | steelnwool | just the way apache gets laid out etc is alwyas nice in the ubuntu world compared to redhat. |
| 19:15.58 | steelnwool | so we'll see. |
| 19:16.31 | lasers | http://bits.debian.org/2013/04/release-date.html :) |
| 19:16.51 | steelnwool | what happens when they get to z ? just loop again? |
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| 19:23.23 | anew | what is iU for installed packages ? |
| 19:28.11 | unkmar | Okay. I used grep -r aplay * And nothing was returned. WHY? because apparently grep doesn't search .hidden folders by default. So, how do I get that functionality? |
| 19:28.28 | blubberdiblub | anew, <U>npacked, but not configured yet |
| 19:28.55 | anew | interesting thx |
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| 19:31.38 | unkmar | I found my target under .local |
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| 19:36.04 | ChibaPet | unkmar: You can always use find(1) instead. |
| 19:37.03 | Tramp | unkmar: it's bash not expanding * to hidden dirs by default. Either set "shopt -s dotglob" or - simpler - grep ., not * |
| 19:37.36 | unkmar | Tramp: thank you for explaining the reason. |
| 19:37.41 | Tramp | unkmar: welcome |
| 19:37.51 | ChibaPet | Tramp: Bash shouldn't matter here. grep -r foo . won't find it in a hidden directory either. |
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| 19:38.19 | unkmar | I think ChibaPet is right. |
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| 19:38.45 | Tramp | ChibaPet: no. You are wrong. |
| 19:38.45 | ChibaPet | Oh, wait. I'm wrong. |
| 19:38.50 | ChibaPet | Hah, beat you to it. |
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| 19:39.04 | ChibaPet | unkmar: Are you searching for a filename, or file content? |
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| 19:39.12 | ChibaPet | grep isn't looking for filenames - find will do that |
| 19:39.13 | amichetto | ciao |
| 19:39.19 | amichetto | !list |
| 19:39.19 | dpkg | amichetto: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 19:39.29 | unkmar | ChibaPet: I was looking for content. Strangely in my example either would have found it. |
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| 19:57.26 | g3org3s_ | any ruby users around plz ? |
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| 20:02.10 | Marghitos | hello, i have troubles with cups. pdftops is eating memory. |
| 20:02.31 | Marghitos | I need to upgrade cups, i am using debian squeeze. What can i do? |
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| 20:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marghitos, cups is calling pdf2ps? |
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| 20:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that uses a lot of memory? |
| 20:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think upgrading cups would really solve that |
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| 20:15.23 | invariant | Does pdf2ps use gs? |
| 20:15.46 | invariant | If so, then you just have a problem, since gs is awful. |
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| 20:17.23 | dondelelcaro | gs is actually pretty awesome... |
| 20:17.42 | dondelelcaro | but running a postscript interpreter can require all kinds of memory |
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| 20:22.34 | ompaul | Marghitos: that problem has more to do with the document and the reader you are using |
| 20:24.15 | ompaul | Marghitos: I run 30 printers of various shapes and sizes on my lan, they don't die when they get pdfs and all (40) users use the same box for X and their desktops and cups web and stuff |
| 20:24.56 | ompaul | Marghitos: if you can use a PPD file for the printer it tends to work best |
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| 20:26.03 | ompaul | wonders what the specs of the box in question are |
| 20:28.15 | Marghitos | eh? |
| 20:28.44 | Marghitos | what can be wrong? |
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| 20:29.50 | quidnunc | Where does mini-dinstall get the list of distributions that it knows about? |
| 20:29.57 | invariant | dondelelcaro, they have to ask other people to fix their bugs. |
| 20:30.34 | invariant | dondelelcaro, if it was awesome, it wouldn't have an endless list of new releases to fix every new incidental problem. |
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| 20:31.50 | Marghitos | i am back again. I can't upgrade to wheezy, due to gnome 3.2. So i need to fix this problem of pdftops |
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| 20:33.25 | ompaul | Marghitos: first what driver are you using? |
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| 20:33.41 | ompaul | Marghitos: also how many people are printing to this box |
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| 20:33.45 | ompaul | or via this box |
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| 20:34.17 | ompaul | !ops please assist hollickish find the connection proplem |
| 20:34.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: please assist hollickish find the connection proplem |
| 20:34.32 | Marghitos | only one. The printer is an hl-2130, brother. Driver..mmh? can you tell me how to check? |
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| 20:34.48 | ompaul | Marghitos: how did you install it |
| 20:34.54 | Marghitos | on brother website they have a cupswrapper and LPR. I installed those package |
| 20:34.56 | unkmar | heh, and I'm needing the hl-2700dw but... eh. |
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| 20:35.12 | ompaul | cries after reading Marghitos's way of dealing with it |
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| 20:35.19 | unkmar | their website doesn't support my amd64 system. |
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| 20:35.55 | Marghitos | sorry, do you have better ideas? |
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| 20:36.11 | ompaul | can someone +f to ##fix_your_connection that hollickish |
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| 20:36.24 | ompaul | Marghitos: ok let me look at your printer |
| 20:36.30 | ompaul | as in web search for a min |
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| 20:36.53 | Marghitos | waiting :) |
| 20:42.29 | ompaul | Marghitos: this is the right driver for your cups http://www.openprinting.org/ppd-o-matic.php?driver=hl1250&printer=Brother-HL-1230&show=1 |
| 20:42.57 | ompaul | it is called a PPD file you download it and try to specify the printer then you hook that file to your printer and it works |
| 20:42.58 | Marghitos | ok, so now i remove the printer and reinstall with this driver? |
| 20:43.06 | ompaul | I would |
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| 20:43.47 | Marghitos | hl-1230? mine is 2130.. |
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| 20:44.11 | ompaul | ah blame my eyes |
| 20:44.20 | Left_Turn | hi is dumbian a better OS to get than ubuntu? |
| 20:44.44 | ompaul | Left_Turn: happy to not be able to help you |
| 20:44.51 | Left_Turn | what why? |
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| 20:45.09 | Left_Turn | fine be that way:( |
| 20:45.39 | Left_Turn | next time dont refer to windows as windoze! |
| 20:46.15 | Marghitos | by looking on google people seems to be fine with the brother official driver. |
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| 20:46.35 | ompaul | Marghitos: well it shouldn't go killing your box |
| 20:46.58 | ompaul | Marghitos: as I said I have a rather busy network of people printing all day I don't have that problem |
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| 20:47.16 | Marghitos | inside i found the ppd :) |
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| 20:47.31 | ompaul | Marghitos: use the ppd by itself |
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| 20:47.44 | Marghitos | i really don't know. Some pdf are printed fast. Some take the cpu to 100 % and takes minutes to start printing. |
| 20:47.49 | ompaul | Marghitos: sometimes you need a printer definition file also but I've not had to do a brother in years |
| 20:47.50 | Marghitos | i am already using the ppd.. |
| 20:48.15 | ompaul | Marghitos: how much ram have you got, and how big are these pdfs? |
| 20:48.35 | ompaul | Marghitos: if it's not being supported by a big binary blob you might be better off ime |
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| 20:49.15 | Marghitos | 250kb of pdf with 512 mb of ram |
| 20:49.25 | Marghitos | it should't be a problem |
| 20:49.49 | Nik05 | Marghitos yeah for brother get the deb file and it contains the ppd file |
| 20:50.05 | ompaul | Marghitos: get some ram |
| 20:50.32 | Marghitos | no..that's not the problem. The problem is pdftops and someone around. |
| 20:50.58 | ompaul | fine, it's the pdf to ps converter |
| 20:51.00 | Marghitos | under windows xp on the same pc, there are no speed problem.. |
| 20:51.06 | Marghitos | i think so. |
| 20:51.37 | ompaul | I'll leave it with you, however I think you want a minimum of 1Gig for squeeze |
| 20:51.38 | Marghitos | i wanted to try to update it, but i don't want to switch to wheezy, due to gnome 3.2 |
| 20:51.53 | Marghitos | it runs very well :) |
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| 20:52.57 | Marghitos | i think we can try this road. Update pdftops to squeeze, but i am not able to do it. Do you think is possible? |
| 20:53.21 | ompaul | Marghitos: try this, open evince. then have it open one of those pdfs and then check how much ram is consumed by evince |
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| 20:54.05 | ompaul | Marghitos: and to have fun run pdftops against the file and print the output file ;-) |
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| 20:54.28 | Marghitos | 35 mb. Good. I can try.. |
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| 20:57.18 | Marghitos | cpu on fire by printing a pdf to ps with pdftops |
| 20:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marghitos, yes... I'd break it down using pdf2ps (or pdftops) directly |
| 20:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but some pdf files just are faulty... |
| 20:58.12 | Marghitos | too many PDF :( |
| 20:58.13 | ompaul | Marghitos: or broken |
| 20:58.26 | Marghitos | how can i switch to pdf2ps? |
| 20:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant... just run pdf2ps file.pdf |
| 20:59.00 | ompaul | Marghitos: pdf2ps input.pdf output.ps |
| 20:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 20:59.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdf2ps is a wrapper for gs |
| 20:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdftops is a binary |
| 20:59.24 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.44 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, pdf$ tends to be a wrapper around gs |
| 21:00.46 | Marghitos | pdf2ps take 15 seconds to print the pdf. Good. |
| 21:01.14 | Marghitos | i want to switch from pdftops to pdf2ps. How can i do it? |
| 21:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a program called pdfpun... I smell ... xanthony piers! |
| 21:01.45 | ompaul | Marghitos: you don't what you do is run pdf2ps against the file and type lp output.ps |
| 21:02.14 | Marghitos | that's not easy for my mom ahahah |
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| 21:02.25 | ompaul | Marghitos: write a wrapper |
| 21:02.32 | Marghitos | hard linking pdf2ps to pdftops? |
| 21:02.46 | ompaul | ylgu |
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| 21:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Not A Good Idea™ |
| 21:03.32 | Marghitos | yes, but the last one..any other? |
| 21:03.53 | ompaul | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 916 Nov 25 17:48 /usr/bin/pdf2ps -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22816 Mar 25 20:48 /usr/bin/pdftops maybe they are not going to work the same just saying |
| 21:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | is a certain program producing these pdf? |
| 21:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | else I think it's unlikely that you hit the same problem very often |
| 21:04.09 | Marghitos | i don't know..for sure, created on windows. |
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| 21:04.52 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: no latex there for you ;-) |
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| 21:07.04 | Marghitos | ok..it didn't work. Anyway to upgrade pdftops? |
| 21:07.24 | ompaul | no that is not your problem |
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| 21:08.08 | ompaul | and it is a bad idea to mix that kind of thing - it will kill your desktop |
| 21:08.24 | Marghitos | ok..any ideas? |
| 21:08.30 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 21:08.32 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 21:08.45 | ompaul | Marghitos: I'll say it again, get more ram. |
| 21:09.03 | Marghitos | how can the ram fix the problem? |
| 21:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Marghitos, there are two pdftops in squeeze... one in package cups, one in package poppler-utils |
| 21:09.13 | Marghitos | ps2pdf could run in 15 second. |
| 21:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | which do you have |
| 21:09.48 | doc_b | I have a problem with my raspbian distro. I know this isn't #raspberrypi but its the closest I can get without registering ha. My /dev/root directory is full as is rootfs with 7.3GB. I resized the SD with raspi-config but that didn't help. Can anybody help my please?? |
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| 21:10.02 | Marghitos | i have poppler utils and cups installed |
| 21:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait... the cups one isnt in any /bin/ |
| 21:10.16 | ompaul | doc_b: register |
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| 21:10.32 | ompaul | doc_b: and full disk is full |
| 21:10.56 | dizzylizzy | What's the best way for me to set up a daemon (such as lighttpd) to run under a less privileged user account than root? Is that done through the init script calls? |
| 21:11.19 | doc_b | ompaul: SD card is 8GB, df -f shows rootfs and /dev/root as full with 7.3GB |
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| 21:11.33 | ompaul | doc_b: think 5% for root |
| 21:12.07 | ompaul | doc_b: that little bit of space you leave when you set the box up so you can get in there as root and rescue a disk that gets overly written to |
| 21:12.30 | doc_b | ompaul: /dev/root shows. Size = 7.3GB, Used =7.3GB Use%100 |
| 21:13.10 | ompaul | doc_b: I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you a full disk is full, think about block size and wasted space |
| 21:13.24 | ompaul | doc_b: clean it up a bit or get a bigger disk |
| 21:13.58 | ompaul | doc_b: you don't get to write to every last sector unless you cat /dev/zero to an empty partiton |
| 21:14.13 | doc_b | ompaul: Clean it how?? How can it be full though? I have only been using it for ~4 days and havent even downloaded 7GB of stuff |
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| 21:15.01 | ompaul | doc_b: df -h in paste.debian.net and while you are it du -c /var but frankly your hardware is written to for some value of written to |
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| 21:15.14 | ompaul | doc_b: however you need to fix that I can't at this remove |
| 21:15.32 | ompaul | doc_b: and you are in the wrong channel even if you have to register and you hate the idea of that |
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| 21:16.25 | doc_b | ompaul: i registered but then I have to download a client and set it up. I just wanted some help with this and i thought this is the closest to raspian I can get |
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| 21:17.39 | ompaul | doc_b: now you don't actually compute - download a client - you are running one now so /join #rasberwhatever |
| 21:17.51 | doc_b | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/112/ |
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| 21:17.54 | ompaul | doc_b: unless you are talking about something else |
| 21:18.02 | doc_b | ompaul: webchat |
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| 21:18.36 | ompaul | fine it will let you register and then you can get into the channel you want to be in and that's not all I asked for |
| 21:18.39 | doc_b | ompaul: df -h http://paste.debian.net/113/ |
| 21:18.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions cups |
| 21:18.57 | judd | Package: cups on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.4-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.4-7+squeeze2; squeeze: 1.4.4-7+squeeze3; sid: 1.5.3-5; wheezy: 1.5.3-5; experimental: 1.6.2-5 |
| 21:19.11 | doc_b | ompaul: cache is full?? |
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| 21:19.36 | i4c | hi all, i have a question, how can i install linux-libre kernel in debian ? |
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| 21:20.08 | i4c | i cannot seem to find it in the repos |
| 21:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dizzylizzy, it's usually done for you in the debian packages... depending on the daemon, of course |
| 21:20.19 | zykotick9 | i4c: you are aware, that debian's default kernel already has the non-free firmware removed right? |
| 21:20.26 | Marghitos | well..i shutdown the pc and look for more ram, then upgrade to wheezy. |
| 21:20.40 | nullby7e | why wheeze is not released |
| 21:20.44 | ompaul | doc_b: do this fdisk -L and see how much room you actually have to play with -0 it does not like |
| 21:20.50 | ompaul | doc_b: *lie |
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| 21:21.02 | zykotick9 | i4c: you'd have to go, out-of-default-repo for linux-libre BTW |
| 21:21.16 | ompaul | nullby7e: because you never asked, on the 5th May you might find that the status will have changed |
| 21:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dizzylizzy, and you cannot run webservers fully unprivileged on the default port, as they need root-privilege to be allowed to listen to port 80 |
| 21:21.33 | dizzylizzy | ah, okay |
| 21:21.38 | dizzylizzy | interesting |
| 21:21.45 | dizzylizzy | I knew about reserved ports, this is good to know though |
| 21:22.10 | Andymeows | I'm trying to setup unattended upgrades on wheezy, a tutorial for squeeze references /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic, but the /etc/cron.daily/apt file references /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic. Does it matter what the filename is? |
| 21:22.11 | i4c | ah thx zykotick9 i heard it installed some firmware while installing |
| 21:22.20 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: my fdisk does not like -L |
| 21:22.21 | doc_b | ompaul: fdisk -L (invalid option) you mean -l?? lower-case |
| 21:22.29 | ompaul | doc_b: yes |
| 21:22.33 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: correct ;-) |
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| 21:22.47 | i4c | so if i install debian, it doesn't install any firmware without a popup warning me ? |
| 21:22.51 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: I sshould go to bed |
| 21:22.57 | i4c | so that i can cancel it |
| 21:23.03 | zykotick9 | i4c: i believe it does "prompt" (not something i've ever personally seen, but i've heard about it) if you have devices requiring firmware. |
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| 21:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dizzylizzy, I only watched that in detail for apache webserver... there a small code-base is used to listen to port 80... that is one process. Apache runs in several processes... all other processes drop their privilege and become a regular user |
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| 21:24.26 | dizzylizzy | That sounds optimal, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:24.33 | dizzylizzy | I'll look into that option |
| 21:24.37 | doc_b | ompaul: fdisk -l doesn't do anything. I just get a blank screen |
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| 21:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dizzylizzy, that's what happens by default for apache (and probably also for the other webservers) |
| 21:25.54 | doc_b | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/114/ |
| 21:26.07 | ompaul | doc_b: maybe as root |
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| 21:26.49 | i4c | thx zykotick9 for ur answers :) was wondering how to have a 100% libre installation of debian according to fsf/gnu, so if i basically cancel all firmware install prompts and only install packages from main and ingore contrib and non-free, i am set to be 100% free. |
| 21:26.57 | doc_b | ompaul:http://paste.debian.net/116/ that worked |
| 21:27.34 | ompaul | doc_b: as you can see you have a fat32 partition on that disk also |
| 21:27.42 | ompaul | so I guess that's your spare room |
| 21:27.51 | ompaul | your logs are not so full as to take up the drive |
| 21:28.11 | ompaul | so I guess you got to look at your installed programs and anything else you may be running that uses space |
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| 21:28.47 | doc_b | ompaul: transmission, openvpn, mpd, samba thats all I've installed |
| 21:28.59 | ompaul | transmission I guess |
| 21:29.08 | zykotick9 | i4c: i use only main myself. best of luck, enjoy the freedom - on an enterprise-grade, community distro ;) FSF uses, debian but cant "recommend" it... i think this is a disservice myself. i strongly support FSF however ;) |
| 21:29.17 | doc_b | ompaul: theres shouldn't be that many logs, only been using it for a few days |
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| 21:30.21 | doc_b | ompaul: I have transmission save its files to a USB stick plugged into the pi, /dev/sda1/ |
| 21:30.24 | ompaul | doc_b: so it's not too big and whatever you are using with transmission |
| 21:30.38 | ompaul | doc_b: well you wrote to it |
| 21:30.48 | doc_b | ompaul: what do you mean? |
| 21:30.56 | ompaul | doc_b: you have a full disk |
| 21:31.10 | doc_b | ompaul: USB or SD? |
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| 21:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | i4c, http://www.debian.org/intro/free // http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines are probably the two documents that tell you about debians understanding of "free" software |
| 21:32.20 | doc_b | ompaul: df -i gives me this http://paste.debian.net/117/ |
| 21:32.28 | ompaul | doc_b: your complaint is that you have 8gig disk full - however 8000 MB is not 8Gigs |
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| 21:32.51 | ompaul | doc_b: nor for that matter is the /dev/mmcblk0 |
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| 21:33.15 | doc_b | ompaul: USB has only about 4GB on it |
| 21:33.30 | ompaul | doc_b: either way |
| 21:33.37 | ompaul | doc_b: you say your system is full |
| 21:33.40 | ompaul | you show that |
| 21:34.16 | ompaul | and I'm telling you LOOK at it ;-) go explore and use du -h on your main file systems until you find what is full |
| 21:34.28 | doc_b | ompaul: how come df -i shows me this http://paste.debian.net/117/ only 15% full, but df -h shows 100%??? |
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| 21:34.58 | ompaul | doc_b: inodes are addresses |
| 21:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | i4c, well, and http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-main |
| 21:35.40 | ompaul | doc_b: if you ran a box to 100% of those inodes you would really be in trouble with millions of small files ;-) |
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| 21:36.03 | doc_b | ompaul: ok, thanks. Would it be easier to save all the conf files and reflash the SD? |
| 21:36.24 | ompaul | depends on how much effort went into that |
| 21:36.33 | ompaul | also your openvpn I'd most likely back that up |
| 21:36.40 | ompaul | samba ... why on earth |
| 21:36.43 | ompaul | but anyway |
| 21:37.20 | ompaul | doc_b: so (A) you have a full machine (B) you did something to do that (C) you should research it (D) you should be in another channel |
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| 21:38.56 | doc_b | ompaul: haha. thanks for the help anyway . whats bad about samba? I just use it to share files on the network. Any better suggestions?? |
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| 21:40.09 | ompaul | don't use or support winfs in any shape or form |
| 21:40.22 | ompaul | it only encourages them |
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| 21:40.41 | doc_b | ompaul: hahaha good point |
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| 21:41.59 | tremon | ompaul: a bit offtopic, but what alternatives are there for user-auth network file systems that can be shared with multiple machines? |
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| 21:42.05 | nullby7e | http://bits.debian.org/2013/04/release-date.html |
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| 21:42.39 | ompaul | tremon: I use nfs |
| 21:42.43 | ompaul | but then I'm strange |
| 21:43.09 | tremon | yeah, but that's machine-based authentication, not user-based |
| 21:43.11 | ompaul | tremon: ssh keys |
| 21:43.16 | jarray52 | I installed Debian Testing(wheezy). I would like my distribution to become the latest stable version after it is released on May 4/5th. How should I change my /etc/apt/sources.list file now? |
| 21:43.24 | ompaul | to get to the strange parts of the world |
| 21:43.38 | i4c | thx for links CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 21:43.58 | ompaul | jarray52: if it says testing make it wheezy |
| 21:44.08 | ompaul | then after the event add in the security repos |
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| 21:44.48 | jarray52 | ompaul: It currently says wheezy main and another says wheezy/updates main. |
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| 21:45.44 | ompaul | jarray52: so nothing other than add in the security repos after the big day |
| 21:45.56 | nabblet | hi, i manually mounted (sudo mount ...) a windows share to /home/myuser/share_mount and then started to toy around with chmod - stuff got bad :( is there a best practice recovery routine? |
| 21:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, sshfs? samba? err.. davfs (oh dear, I'm making myself shudder) |
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| 21:46.12 | tremon | jarray52: then you're fine. just make sure have no references to testing in other files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 21:46.35 | jarray52 | ompaul: The deb and deb-src for http://security.debian.org are already there. They say wheezy/updates main. |
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| 21:47.03 | ompaul | jarray52: so you have no questions, have a nice flight ;-) |
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| 21:47.34 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: that was more or less my point. Samba is in my view the only usable network filesystem for non-managed networks |
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| 21:49.05 | doc_b | ompaul: how do you list folder size in a certain directory? I found /usr/share has 5.3GB in it but loads of folders |
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| 21:49.52 | jarray52 | ompaul: Given that The deb and deb-src for http://security.debian.org are already there(They say wheezy/updates main). I don't need to add the security repos after the big day, right? |
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| 21:50.39 | ompaul | doc_b: du -h /usr/share |
| 21:50.44 | ompaul | doc_b: du -h /usr/share | more |
| 21:50.51 | jarray52 | tremon: /etc/apt/sources.list.d is blank. However, there are some references to testing in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d. Are those okay? |
| 21:50.53 | doc_b | ompaul: thank you |
| 21:51.12 | ompaul | jarray52: yes I told you already have a nice flight ;-) |
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| 21:51.54 | jarray52 | ompaul: Thanks. Somehow my ocd kicked in and I wanted to double check. Thanks again. |
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| 21:52.29 | tremon | jarray52: that's not an immediate problem, but it depends on what those lines say. If you have a Default-Release line there, change it to wheezy. Otherwise, paste the lines you're unsure about |
| 21:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, shame, you're slanting ftpfs :P |
| 21:53.21 | nabblet | to set the question an other way: if i mount a filesystem and the do chmod -R 777 mount_dir - will that go though to the remote directory or have only a local effect? |
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| 21:53.52 | tremon | no, I'm deliberately ignoring it :) |
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| 21:54.58 | jarray52 | tremon: Thanks. |
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| 21:56.43 | tremon | nabblet: iirc posix permissions have no effect on samba shares, at least that's what I thought |
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| 22:01.16 | jarray52 | after installing chromium, I get several warnings about ssl certificates even when accessing sites like Google. Is this normal? |
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| 22:01.36 | haylo | nabblet: "777" is almost always an incorrect way to chmod something, just as a side note. Unless you are trying to give any user possible read, write and execute permissions to the file. Which is practically never done. |
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| 22:03.14 | nabblet | haylo: the 777 was just an example - i know it's bad ... although i sometimes use it when i'm fed up :P |
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| 22:04.01 | jarray52 | Ignore my last comment. That was due to my date setting on my machine. |
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| 22:04.42 | nabblet | tremon: well, i managed to mess up :( the share was part of a websever and after my chmod-orgy, no one could log on... i chmodded on, the ycould log on, but appache could not access the files, now i chmodded nearly everything to something close like 777 - but i am not happy with that solution |
| 22:04.48 | nabblet | so i am looking for a way "back" |
| 22:05.42 | nabblet | obviously i have to little knowledge about samba permssion to be allowed to access it with terminal :P |
| 22:05.49 | tremon | the magic word is "backup" ;) |
| 22:06.07 | nabblet | tremon: we have that |
| 22:06.22 | nabblet | tremon: but before i do anything i want to have a plan |
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| 22:06.43 | nabblet | tremon: e.g how persistant the permission on the ackup will be, once it is reloaded to the server |
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| 22:06.52 | tremon | oh, you don't have to restore immediately, but you can compare permissions before and after if you take a look at the backup |
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| 22:08.01 | nabblet | tremon: hm, some1 else made the backup with Mac OS - guess she just copied the stuff - what about the permissions then in case they got scrambled? |
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| 22:08.30 | haylo | nabblet: this is probably an instance of needing to add the user or group, to be allowed access to run samba. |
| 22:08.33 | tremon | a copy (especially a remote one) will not maintain permissions |
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| 22:09.38 | tremon | for now you've only mentioned symptoms, but we have no way of knowing how it was initially setup, so I'll just give some best practice recommendations: |
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| 22:10.45 | nabblet | tremon: yes, that would be great! |
| 22:11.23 | tremon | you mentioned webserver, so I'm assuming apache. Recommended practice is that the entire webserver directory is owned by the www-data group, with the sgid bit set (mode 2664 probably) |
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| 22:12.02 | nabblet | tremon: ok, let me feed you with a bit more info |
| 22:12.26 | nabblet | tremon: the server is hosted by my university, so i am not the one with root access |
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| 22:12.36 | tremon | you said that samba users couldn't login, I'm assuming you mean that they couldn't connect through samba, not that ssh access/local access failed |
| 22:13.18 | nabblet | maybe we can take this conversation somewhere else? it's not realy debian any more |
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| 22:14.15 | tremon | the only other place to take it is #samba (which I recommend you do anyway, if only for verification) |
| 22:14.26 | haylo | probably better to let this one stay here and be audited. it is getting quite messy |
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| 22:14.58 | tremon | but if you're going to ask there about restoring permissions on a debian system, you're not likely to get much help :) |
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| 22:15.18 | nabblet | tremon: haylo i'll wander off to #samba then |
| 22:15.39 | nabblet | tremon: no, it is merely about the combination of samba and linux permissions |
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| 22:15.59 | tremon | then they can probably help you better than we can :) |
| 22:16.36 | nabblet | tremon: haylo thank you two for your attention and advice |
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| 22:16.39 | tremon | for the benefit of other excited onlookers / lurkers, please do post back if you've found a solution :) |
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| 22:16.48 | tremon | (or answer) |
| 22:17.15 | nabblet | tremon: hm, i can come up with somethink right now |
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| 22:18.43 | nabblet | tremon: i reconnected (using nautilus, wich mounts to /run/user/username/blahblahblah) and permissions look better than before... either my chmod 777 fixed it, the admin is doing night-shifts or my changes realy had an local effect only |
| 22:19.36 | nabblet | !paste |
| 22:19.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:19.50 | tremon | is rooting for the latter -- that way he doesn't have to re-learn anything |
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| 22:22.09 | nabblet | tremon: this is what i see from the nautlius mount http://pastie.org/7711762 benedict is my own user, so i guess, this does not say much... |
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| 22:22.47 | tremon | can you paste the contents of /proc/mounts ? |
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| 22:23.40 | nabblet | tremon: do i need sudo to read it? |
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| 22:23.49 | nabblet | i get permission denied |
| 22:24.10 | tremon | that's odd, no /proc/mounts should be world-readable |
| 22:24.14 | haylo | here is a debian wiki page on making a samba client. chmod 777 is not a solution, just another problem. http://wiki.debian.org/SAMBAClientSetup . keep in mind that programs like nautilus are made to do this type of share automatically, like thunar automounts usb. |
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| 22:25.01 | nabblet | tremon: ok, that's it - an other problem. it's 00:24 at my place, i will return an other time |
| 22:25.33 | haylo | there is a configuration file, that holds your local client permission scheme, and an example of an fstab entry to automount it correctly. |
| 22:26.33 | nabblet | haylo: tremon i'll be back - with solution or more problems ;) |
| 22:26.59 | nabblet | haylo: tremon thank you both again :) |
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| 22:27.50 | tremon | yw |
| 22:28.41 | Left_Turn | hey how does debian the os differ from debianmint.. is gnu\linux a similar os also? im trying to switch to a unix OS but there seems to be so many |
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| 22:32.07 | tremon | Left_Turn: gnu/linux is a way to denote both the kernel and the basic user tools. You will find them in all linux distributions (except android), but debian is the only one to mention gnu explicitly |
| 22:32.44 | Left_Turn | oh i see |
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| 22:33.01 | tremon | the differences between the OS's are superficial at best, and doubly so for the debian-derivatives (like mint and ubuntu) |
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| 22:34.17 | Left_Turn | i see.. debian itself is not an os. it has os's under it like mint etc? |
| 22:34.27 | tremon | for example, ubuntu focuses much more on the graphical desktop than debian does. Mint does the same, but tries to stay closer to debian |
| 22:34.38 | Left_Turn | oh i see |
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| 22:35.14 | tremon | well, it depends on what you call an OS. An operating systems is built out of multiple components, but typically (with Windows and OS X) you can't mix and match the components |
| 22:35.16 | Left_Turn | i want to try and get away from the graphical stuff so ubuntu seems out of the question |
| 22:35.29 | Left_Turn | oh |
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| 22:37.05 | tremon | the underlying "core" of all linux distributions is the linux kernel. At the lowest level on top of that, you have the core libraries and text-mode tools |
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| 22:37.35 | tremon | those libraries and tools are built around the Gnu C library, hence the name :) |
| 22:37.43 | Left_Turn | oh i see |
| 22:37.57 | Left_Turn | gnu/linux |
| 22:37.59 | Left_Turn | i get it now |
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| 22:38.51 | tremon | if you want to get away from the graphical stuff, debian is a good choice (it always is, if you ask in this channel). |
| 22:39.39 | Left_Turn | ok i think i really like the sounds of debian |
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| 22:40.52 | tremon | if you do, start with the installation manual at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 22:41.16 | tremon | and http://debian-handbook.info/get/ is also a good resource |
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| 22:42.06 | Left_Turn | that manual is pretty big:) ive bookmarked both |
| 22:42.24 | smw | Left_Turn, debian mint is a rolling release version of debian |
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| 22:42.38 | Left_Turn | oh i see smw |
| 22:42.45 | smw | Left_Turn, that means it is a great deal less stable, but has newer packages |
| 22:42.51 | tremon | smw: it's not "a version of debian", it a derivative |
| 22:43.01 | tremon | + 's |
| 22:43.21 | smw | Left_Turn, right, perhaps saying it is a version of debian is a poor (incorrect) choice of words |
| 22:43.42 | Left_Turn | ah no worries.. i see what u were saying:) |
| 22:43.58 | phogg | Does LMDE directly include Debian repos and then add its own or is it more of an ubuntu style and makes its own archive? |
| 22:44.00 | smw | Left_Turn, but it gets almost all of its packages from debian and is rolling release. |
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| 22:44.57 | Left_Turn | i see.. the less stable thing bothers me, i think its better to go with debian? |
| 22:45.26 | Left_Turn | as im new i wouldnt really notice what im missing i guess |
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| 22:45.53 | phogg | Either way you have Debian |
| 22:46.03 | Left_Turn | yes true:) |
| 22:46.17 | Left_Turn | tremon smw, thanks for all the help uve made up my mind |
| 22:46.28 | smw | Left_Turn, I recommend installing Wheezy now |
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| 22:46.38 | Left_Turn | wheezy? |
| 22:46.39 | tremon | phogg: yeah but debian comes with this awesome channel, others don't :) |
| 22:46.40 | smw | Left_Turn, I am new to Debian, but so far I like it :-) |
| 22:46.52 | Left_Turn | oh good:) |
| 22:46.56 | smw | Left_Turn, wheezy is the next release. It is scheduled for release on the 5th |
| 22:47.06 | Left_Turn | oh i see |
| 22:47.15 | tremon | Left_Turn: the next Debian release (7.0) has just been announced (may 5th target date) |
| 22:47.22 | smw | Left_Turn, you can download RC1 now. It has been in some level of freeze for about 8 months... so it is stable enough in my opinion |
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| 22:47.42 | Left_Turn | oh ok |
| 22:47.45 | tremon | so if you're going to install now, use that one |
| 22:48.07 | Left_Turn | oh no.. im buying a new pc.. this one is windows i want to switch when i buy the new pc |
| 22:48.21 | Left_Turn | buy non windows |
| 22:48.32 | haylo | the main difference is that debian is a meta distribution. it includes tools and processes for making debian derived distributions. Plus there is agiant development team. It is easily the largest ( most people contributing) software project in the world. |
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| 22:48.57 | Left_Turn | haylo thats really good to know:) |
| 22:49.21 | smw | haylo, now sure what is meta about it. Debian is a distribution |
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| 22:51.24 | phogg | smw: Debian was supposed to be a base for all other distributions--a common core. That idea has not taken off as much as it probably should have |
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| 22:52.02 | smw | phogg, heh, debian and its derivatives are quite a large share of linux distros |
| 22:52.12 | smw | phogg, I would say it has done very well on that front |
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| 22:52.40 | haylo | smw: read the debian handbook before you answer questions ( or argue ) about debian please |
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| 22:54.31 | phogg | smw: it could be argued, but I would be unconvinced |
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| 22:55.19 | smw | haylo, I tend to skip the history bits of those types of guides :-P |
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| 22:56.54 | tremon | phogg: have you seen http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg ? |
| 22:57.01 | bassgeisha | argh |
| 22:57.30 | bassgeisha | i didnt get those linx about installing wheezy? or something you guys sent me. comp shut down before i finished emailing |
| 22:57.49 | bassgeisha | scroll back doesnt go that far |
| 22:58.01 | phogg | tremon: yes |
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| 23:00.25 | phogg | tremon: it's not that it isn't used as a base that is an issue, it's how and at what percentage of all distros that concern me. For example, I don't count Ubuntu at all. |
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| 23:00.53 | tremon | why not? |
| 23:00.54 | phogg | theoretically mandrake and its children are all RH based, but that doesn't mean that RH is a common core for them |
| 23:00.56 | smw | phogg, ubuntu is still quite a bit debian |
| 23:01.01 | Blue1 | !wheezy |
| 23:01.01 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) is scheduled for release on the weekend of 4th/5th May 2013. Ask me about <install wheezy>, <wheezy release notes>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
| 23:01.07 | phogg | smw: repackaged, so irrelevant |
| 23:01.29 | tremon | ubuntu syncs with debian unstable at every release window |
| 23:01.50 | tremon | (yes, they sync only one-way, but they still derive from sid) |
| 23:01.51 | phogg | tremon: anything that is not debian repos + distro-specific package repos is incompatible |
| 23:02.15 | tremon | debian-derived !~ debian-compatible |
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| 23:03.26 | phogg | tremon: I am not sure what it is you are trying to do here |
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| 23:04.03 | tremon | well, that makes two of us :) |
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| 23:04.40 | phogg | tremon: In my opinion, as originally stated, Debian is not used as a "common core" to the extent that I, IMO, think it should be. The extent to which it is so used is not sufficient, IMO, to be sufficient IMO... that's all I said originally. You don't need to explain to me that it is used to an extent. |
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| 23:06.19 | tremon | phogg: ok, thx. Your "as originally stated" wasn't clear to me |
| 23:06.48 | phogg | tremon: it was perhaps not sufficiently clear which bits were fact vs opinion, for which I apologize |
| 23:07.18 | phogg | tremon: re-reading that timeline is interesting, though. It puts Gentoo under only Enoch. I always assumed Gentoo descended from LFS. |
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| 23:07.50 | tremon | no, I think we didn't agree on what debian-derived means (or the term we implicitly used), which is why I didn't get why you excluded ubuntu |
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| 23:08.26 | phogg | well, that's true too |
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| 23:09.57 | haylo | section 1.1.1 http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/the-debian-project.html |
| 23:09.57 | jose_char | Does anyone here use vi? What does % do? |
| 23:10.07 | jose_char | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.08 | tremon | that said, I have few issues with the heterogeneous ("fractured") state of linux distributions. It leaves less room for crappy developers |
| 23:10.15 | haylo | the fact that you guys are arguing over something clarified on the first damn page .... |
| 23:10.38 | jose_char | I get everything else, but the % |
| 23:10.41 | haylo | not sure what that says about about the debian community. makes me a bit ashamed to be honest |
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| 23:10.58 | babilen | jose_char: Try #vim |
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| 23:11.00 | phogg | tremon: it also leaves a lot of elbow room for new and interesting things |
| 23:11.03 | tremon | haylo: if you're referring to me and phogg, we weren't arguing over anything written outside of this channel |
| 23:11.23 | jose_char | can't send to channel |
| 23:11.27 | phogg | haylo: I am not *arguing* about the definition at all. |
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| 23:12.16 | tremon | jose_char: my guess is that if your cursor is on a compound bracket, parenthesis, pressing % will navigate to its sibling |
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| 23:14.17 | bassgeisha | haha my znc kept the msg log tho |
| 23:14.19 | bassgeisha | \o/ |
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| 23:15.45 | jose_char | THANKS tremon |
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| 23:17.28 | phogg | haylo: IMO it would have been beneficial to the Linux market share and world domination efforts in general if over the course of the last 15 years virtually all distributions had rebased on top of a debian stable mirror + one or more distro-specific repos for differentiation. IMO Debian only serves as a common core for distributions which operate exactly this way. IMO a it is a bug for there to be a significant number of distributions which do |
| 23:17.29 | phogg | not operate this way. To the extent that virtually all distributions do not operate this way I consider Debian to be insufficiently used as a common core. |
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| 23:18.09 | phogg | all of which has nothing to do with the docs |
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