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| 00:07.40 | oscarvarto | Can I use a PPA repo from ubuntu to install texlive 2012? (first day with debian) http://askubuntu.com/questions/163682/how-do-i-install-the-latest-tex-live-2012 I haven't found instructions for debian squeeze |
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| 00:08.35 | themill | oscarvarto: no, upgrading to wheezy is a much better way. Don't use PPAs with Debian. |
| 00:08.51 | oscarvarto | how can I do that? |
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| 00:11.39 | themill | dpkg: tell oscarvarto about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 00:12.35 | oscarvarto | themill: thanks the instructions in the reference manual for debian are quite long... |
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| 00:19.50 | Blue1 | I just did a fresh install of wheezy and I am getting: error: invalid arch independent ELF magic |
| 00:19.57 | Blue1 | when I boot |
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| 00:27.05 | truko22 | hola feos o/ |
| 00:28.28 | haylo | azizLIGHTS: i tried that on iceweasel 10, and it did not do what you said, and so upgraded to icweasel --version 20.0 and tired it, did not work. You can just click on the little star next to the refresh button with both of those versions to add bookmars automatically |
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| 00:29.25 | azizLIGHTS | haylo: that is what i have been doing. but this method allows for no quick sorting |
| 00:29.38 | azizLIGHTS | the point of drag drop is so you can shove the bookmark into organized folders |
| 00:30.34 | azizLIGHTS | i have many folders on my chromium bookmark bar, always visible under the adres bar. whenevr i need to bokmark, i drag the favicon to the folder i want it to be organized under and its very seamless |
| 00:31.15 | azizLIGHTS | haylo: clicking the star ptus everything into "unsorted bookmarks" for which you have to open the bookmark manager, where you still cannot drag/drop, and have to cut/paste the bookmark into appropriate folders |
| 00:31.20 | azizLIGHTS | haylo: its very cumbersome |
| 00:31.56 | Miesco | Hi, I am using wicd right now, when I boot my system the network script fails and then my servers and such have to timeout for the boot to commence. Is this because its trying if-up and wicd is in a later runlevel? |
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| 00:33.18 | Miesco | Should I update-rc networking disable |
| 00:33.20 | Miesco | or whatever |
| 00:33.22 | Miesco | ? |
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| 00:35.47 | haylo | azizLIGHTS: you can pull them into the bookmarks tab in version 20.0 anyway. not sure if that helps you. |
| 00:36.08 | azizLIGHTS | haylo: maybe i can compile iceweasel 20? |
| 00:36.16 | azizLIGHTS | or is there like a futureports |
| 00:36.19 | azizLIGHTS | or something |
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| 00:36.50 | haylo | it is in the debian "experimental" repository. thats where i got it from. |
| 00:38.24 | azizLIGHTS | haylo: ok, thank you :) |
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| 00:40.41 | GinTonicool | hi ,guys; in linux system ,is there a sofeware which can works like IDM |
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| 00:42.47 | Blue1 | I have dual boot (set to legacy mode) just installed wheezy - and I get: error: invalid arch independent ELF magic -- re-installed grub2 from a livecd -- but still persists.... |
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| 00:51.24 | jhelsing | Have anyone set up lxc successfully on wheezy lately? I have a problem starting a fresh install. And when I try to google it, all I find is outdated bugs telling me to install a package that no longer exists. Here's a pastebin of what I get when I run lxc-start: http://pastebin.com/cGJQ3tRb |
| 00:51.51 | jhelsing | *starting on a fresh install |
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| 00:56.11 | haylo | jhelsing: are you following this wiki http://wiki.debian.org/LXC ? |
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| 00:57.22 | Blue1 | help -- I have dual boot (set to legacy mode) just installed wheezy - and I get: error: invalid arch independent ELF magic -- re-installed grub2 from a livecd -- but still persists.... |
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| 01:00.10 | sacredchao | Is there a place to find if Steam is a candidate package for non-free? |
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| 01:01.45 | haylo | Blue1: did you remember to: 1) chroot into the install from the liveCD, 2) bind ("bind -o loop") mount /dev, /sys and /proc 3) run grub-install <device_here> 4) run update-grub 5) exit the chroot and reboot |
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| 01:03.24 | haylo | if so, i would try the same with grub-legacy (as opposed to grub2) and see if it works better, as a troubleshooting measure. |
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| 01:05.43 | Blue1 | haylo: yes -- this is the recipe I used: http://pkill-9.com/recovering-ubuntudebian-linux-after-a-windows-installhiccup/ |
| 01:06.06 | Blue1 | haylo: how do I install grub legacy? |
| 01:06.09 | haylo | sorry* step 1 would just be to mount the partitions of the main device from the liveCD and then do the bind mounts. but grub-install and update-grub are done inside of the chroot |
| 01:06.32 | Blue1 | haylo: yup I have done this many times before -- see the recipe |
| 01:07.22 | haylo | ok, that guide did basically everything but run update-grub which may or may not help. |
| 01:07.48 | Blue1 | haylo: it did NOT help - |
| 01:08.04 | Blue1 | i tried running grub-update |
| 01:08.11 | Blue1 | err update-grub |
| 01:08.25 | jhelsing | yes, IÃ followed the wiki |
| 01:09.05 | Blue1 | haylo: I also tried: sudo grub-install --force --boot-directory=/mnt /dev/sda which also did NOT work |
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| 01:11.34 | GinTonicool | can jdownloader work in debian,and which edition can work in debian 2.6.32? |
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| 01:12.44 | haylo | I use the syntax "mount -o bind" , but it appears it is the same as --bind |
| 01:12.52 | kaneda^ | http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg <-- when i run this through add-key it tells me it's not valid openpgp data |
| 01:13.04 | kaneda^ | what's the deal |
| 01:13.57 | themill | kaneda^: you don't apt-key add a signature, you apt-key add a key |
| 01:14.08 | kaneda^ | ooooh |
| 01:14.12 | kaneda^ | i'm using the wrong file i suppose |
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| 01:14.47 | kaneda^ | all the tutorials point to a .asc, but unfortunately i cant find one in this project |
| 01:15.00 | Blue1 | haylo: it's crazy because this worked this morning -- had some issues that caused me to have to re-install wheezy and that's when things whent bad |
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| 01:16.31 | themill | kaneda^: you can import key 219EC810 from the keyservers directly |
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| 01:16.41 | themill | (assuming you trust that key!) |
| 01:16.47 | kaneda^ | themill, it's the tor project's key |
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| 01:17.45 | kaneda^ | themill, https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian |
| 01:17.58 | kaneda^ | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv 886DDD89 <-- this is what they show |
| 01:18.03 | kingsley | Blue1: Is my assumption correct that you already searched Google's indices for the error message "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic"? |
| 01:18.16 | themill | kaneda^: that's not the key that was used to sign that Release file, however. |
| 01:18.36 | kaneda^ | themill, so, is it me or is it them? |
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| 01:19.47 | kingsley | What, if anything, does the linux kernel do with the "boot=<blah blah blah>" option? |
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| 01:20.02 | kingsley | I've seen it in several grub.cfg files. |
| 01:21.54 | kaneda^ | themill, i tried the one they posted, it worked |
| 01:21.56 | kaneda^ | shrugs |
| 01:22.05 | themill | ok. odd. |
| 01:23.45 | themill | kaneda^: ahh, the key id I found was their signing sub-key |
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| 01:23.58 | kaneda^ | so that would only have worked for wheezy? |
| 01:24.24 | themill | ? |
| 01:24.33 | kaneda^ | sub-key |
| 01:24.46 | kaneda^ | for a release signature in wheezy |
| 01:25.22 | themill | It's the (sub-)key they use for signing the Release files. The distribution and release are irrelevant |
| 01:25.39 | kaneda^ | ah, k |
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| 01:26.51 | Blue1 | kingsley: yes valid assumption I have searched for a solution to the error - they said to re-install grub - which I have -- to no avail. |
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| 01:28.23 | kingsley | Blue1: Yes, I'm not surprised that reinstalling grub didn't work. It has been my experience that blindly upgrading software rarely fixes a bug. |
| 01:28.57 | kingsley | Blue1: It would be great if you could get more precise diagnostic info. |
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| 01:30.04 | kingsley | Blue1: Have you tried qualifying your search key words with additional terms like ... wheezy, debian or "dual boot"? |
| 01:30.53 | Blue1 | kingsley: no I have left it pretty broad - so I could catch errors/solutions in other distros |
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| 01:32.35 | kingsley | Blue1: If I knew how to fix it, I'd tell you. All I think I know is that, at least for me, getting an answer often comes down to thinking of better keywords. |
| 01:32.49 | KsM | hm |
| 01:32.50 | Blue1 | kingsley: hmm not seen/tried this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/72003/grub-invalid-arch-independent-elf-magic-after-11-10-install-on-macbook-pro-5 |
| 01:33.04 | Blue1 | kingsley: true that |
| 01:33.23 | KsM | dpkg is saying libsysfs2 is no longer needed, but that sounds sort of important, anyone else have it installed/not installed on wheezy? |
| 01:33.25 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, KsM |
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| 01:57.32 | misternanyte | kick ass |
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| 01:57.57 | misternanyte | ok so i just installed 6.0.7 and do not have proper monitor drivers for my Sansui TV... anyone know of any? |
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| 02:01.05 | Blue1 | kingsley: odd -- I tried installing xubuntu 12.10 in an unused parititon - everything is fine now -- see's windows 7, wheezy, and xubuntu. When I tried a wireless connect in wheezy -- no go -- tried it in xubuntu - worked on first try -- the way forward for me may be xubuntu instead of wheezy |
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| 02:03.33 | misternanyte | hahaha. oops. |
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| 02:05.32 | kingsley | Blue1: Maybe there's a trick to reinstalling grub to the MBR, and xubuntu 12.10 does it automatically. It's a long shot, and it may be too late now, but I suppose if you still want to pursue this you might inquire on the #grub channel. |
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| 02:06.09 | misternanyte | any particular topic in this room? |
| 02:06.12 | Blue1 | kingsley: yup it has def. piqued my curiousity - thank you for all of your help, patience, and understanding. |
| 02:06.25 | kingsley | You're welcome. |
| 02:07.21 | phogg | misternanyte: just the one in /topic |
| 02:07.34 | misternanyte | ah. thx man. |
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| 02:15.02 | synamics | hi, does the Debian GNU/Linux team develop iceweasel? |
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| 02:15.36 | synamics | or it just change the trademarks from firefox official |
| 02:15.38 | synamics | ? |
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| 02:17.39 | haylo | synamics: It is firefox rebranded to make it conform more closely to GNU licensing |
| 02:18.00 | synamics | haylo, no, I mean, the source is changed? |
| 02:18.06 | synamics | haylo, is really a fork? |
| 02:18.14 | synamics | or just change it's trademarks? |
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| 02:22.02 | themill | synamics: I don't know what the current situation is but in the past, iceweasel has also cherrypicked patches out of firefox bugzilla. The entire argument that resulted in iceweasel was about backporting security fixes, disabling the application updater and making a downloads window that actually worked (we're talking about firefox 1 here) |
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| 02:22.27 | thoonai | good evening |
| 02:22.56 | thoonai | may someone help me with hostapd? |
| 02:23.28 | peterrooney | haylo: no. |
| 02:23.58 | peterrooney | !why iceweasel |
| 02:23.58 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 02:24.56 | synamics | peterrooney, yeah I see that, awnsers anything |
| 02:25.29 | synamics | they say iceweasel is a fork (wikipedia), but it is? the developement is parallel of mozdev? |
| 02:26.57 | peterrooney | that seems to be really stretching the canonical def of "fork" |
| 02:27.02 | themill | synamics: all you're going to end up with is an argument about what a fork is. And who cares? |
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| 02:27.33 | synamics | themill, I do, I care |
| 02:27.55 | synamics | themill, are you incapable to answer a single yes-no question? |
| 02:28.10 | themill | synamics: it's not a yes-no question. You need to define what you mean by "fork". |
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| 02:28.35 | synamics | themill, doesn't matter what I define |
| 02:28.36 | themill | synamics: I would also suggest that you'd be better off asking the iceweasel and firefox developers -- and you will probably get different answers from each of them |
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| 02:28.48 | synamics | the developement is parallel of mozdev? |
| 02:29.02 | themill | synamics: it does as it change the answer. Anyway, this is entirely offtopic for #debian, so let's move on. |
| 02:29.04 | thoonai | my hostapd somehow doesn't accept the bridge which itself isn't working |
| 02:29.08 | synamics | or deb team just apply patches |
| 02:29.14 | synamics | themill, isn't offtopic |
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| 02:29.38 | themill | synamics: it is and I know that I am right. |
| 02:29.44 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 02:29.46 | haylo | synamics: they are more difficult to answer than you imagine. as you can see, i tried to, and was incorrect as to the legal document in question. |
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| 02:30.39 | synamics | I see... |
| 02:31.17 | thoonai | I may need someone checking what I've done |
| 02:31.34 | thoonai | somehow its not working properly |
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| 02:33.11 | malibu_ | Hi there. I'm trying to install deluge from the debian repo and it's totally broken. Anyone have experience with deluge? |
| 02:33.51 | dondelelcaro | malibu_: totally broken in what way? |
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| 02:35.47 | boudiccas | malibu_: you might find that 'flush' is better and easier to use instead of deluge |
| 02:36.05 | malibu_ | I installed deluged, deluge-console, deluge-web.. First of all deluge-web wouldn't allow me to enable plugins, it just kept throwing authentication errors and such. Finally I was able to activate the blacklist plugin through the GTK gui but it won't download the blacklist. Adding a torrent also causes errors. Invalid number of arguements to various functions. |
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| 02:37.00 | malibu_ | I have this all working on a Ubuntu 12 machine.. didn't have any problems with it there. Ubuntu 12 won't run well on ESX though. |
| 02:37.34 | malibu_ | I'll look at flush.. does it have a good web UI? |
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| 02:37.54 | boudiccas | malibu_: dunno, i just use it from the desktop very easily |
| 02:38.12 | thoonai | im having trouble with my hostapd |
| 02:38.34 | malibu_ | Yeah I'm on a headless machine.. so I need either a remote client or a webui.. preferably a webui |
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| 02:39.38 | malibu_ | For deluge, I was able to add a torrent finally through the GTK remote client, but it doesn't show the torrent in the main panel |
| 02:39.48 | malibu_ | It's all kinds of broken |
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| 02:40.13 | thoonai | clients can't connect, and the bridge is not working |
| 02:40.25 | zpx | is there a list of packages the various install iso's contain? |
| 02:41.30 | themill | dpkg: tell zpx about cd contents |
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| 02:43.37 | thoonai | Hi, having trouble with hostapd and the bridge connected to it |
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| 02:45.58 | malibu_ | ok lets try this.. can anyone tell me how to install deluge from the testing repo? |
| 02:47.11 | malibu_ | I know I have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:48.06 | thoonai | the interfaces won't get added to the bridge |
| 02:48.20 | themill | malibu_: you'd need to upgrade to wheezy (which is going to be released as the new stable next weekend). /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 02:48.40 | malibu_ | cool that's good enough for me |
| 02:48.54 | malibu_ | I don't think that /msg worked |
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| 02:50.30 | thoonai | I could need some help |
| 02:51.09 | malibu_ | I'm on my waaay. woo! |
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| 02:52.18 | thoonai | if someone is interested: http://pastebin.com/04YVbX5F |
| 02:52.26 | thoonai | this is my hostapd.conf |
| 02:52.36 | thoonai | somehow it doesnt work |
| 02:52.39 | thoonai | :( |
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| 02:55.27 | thoonai | somehow I feel ignored :s someone here? |
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| 02:56.28 | malibu_ | Yeah deluge may work on wheezy.. Wheezy has the same version in the repo as Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 02:57.14 | malibu_ | I love Debian.. But sheesh stuff has gotta work. |
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| 02:59.28 | thoonai | hey? |
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| 03:03.01 | thoonai | may someone help me? |
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| 03:12.59 | thoonai | someone here? |
| 03:14.09 | thoonai | o.o I've no clue why hostapd fails, there is no error, but no client can connect. |
| 03:14.36 | LtL | thoonai: I'm sure someone would help if they were available, in the meantime might I suggest you /join #deluge |
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| 03:14.59 | thoonai | and the bridge refuses the interfaces |
| 03:15.08 | thoonai | LtL: #deluge? |
| 03:15.26 | LtL | thoonai: or excuse me, i thought your problem was deluge |
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| 03:15.44 | thoonai | LtL: no my problem is hostapd and bridge |
| 03:15.51 | thoonai | and its still not working |
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| 03:16.41 | LtL | thoonai: I've never used it, wish I could help |
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| 03:17.14 | thoonai | its easy to configure and everything seems fine, but its not |
| 03:17.47 | LtL | thoonai: does netstat -tunap show the program/port listening |
| 03:18.27 | thinkerweb | how do you setup a software raid? |
| 03:19.11 | LtL | thoonai: does netstat -tunap + |
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| 03:20.12 | LtL | thoonai: dropped my keyboard, try netstat -tuap |
| 03:21.37 | thoonai | LtL: http://pastebin.com/5vV9jvHc |
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| 03:23.36 | LtL | thoonai: i have no idea what the process runs under for a name, i assume hostapd which i don't see. |
| 03:24.06 | thoonai | LtL: yeah hostapd doesn't appears there :s |
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| 03:26.16 | thoonai | I have still no clue ;) |
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| 03:31.35 | LtL | thoonai: start hostapd then check your logs for anything related, /var/log/messages /var/log/kern.log /var/log/auth.log I have no idea where it may show up if at all. |
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| 03:32.55 | thoonai | LtL: right |
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| 03:41.09 | thoonai | LtL: hostapd doesn't start |
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| 03:48.19 | thinkerweb | fixing a broken raid 1 is hard but building a new one and adding the contents of a raid hdd to the new raid, how difficult is that? |
| 03:50.30 | Rusty1 | there is a #linux-raid channel thinkerweb , FWIW |
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| 04:27.46 | xbanux1 | hey guys...can i install linux on MiniX NEO X5...http://www.minix.com.hk/Products/NEOX5.html |
| 04:28.00 | xbanux1 | *debian linux |
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| 04:32.18 | thoonai | still having probs |
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| 04:41.29 | neyder_ | hi there, why does wheezy have _di_ in his cd image name? |
| 04:41.32 | neyder_ | ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
| 04:42.08 | alfplayer | neyder_: debian-installer |
| 04:42.22 | neyder_ | i supossed but just to be sure |
| 04:42.26 | neyder_ | downloading! |
| 04:42.40 | neyder_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:54.38 | LuckySMack | when downloading a debian ido, whats the difference between these: debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.iso, debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-2.iso, and so on? |
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| 04:54.44 | LuckySMack | *iso |
| 04:55.48 | somiaj | the first dvd will contain the installer, the full core and a good part of gnome and what ever can fit that it thinks most people will need, the other cds contain the rest of debians many packages |
| 04:55.58 | somiaj | LuckySMack: if you have a good network connection, I'd just get the netinstall |
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| 04:56.47 | LuckySMack | somiaj, alas i dont have a great connection. i can do a dvd. but that will still take me a little bit to download |
| 04:57.06 | somiaj | well with the net install you only download the packages you want |
| 04:57.17 | somiaj | and the netinstall is a fully functional base system that doesn't need the net to install |
| 04:57.33 | somiaj | but dvd's are nice if you want the stuff locally, the ones you need depend on your software needs |
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| 04:59.11 | LuckySMack | well, im primarily a web designer. so the typical LAMP stack. im also doing some python and erlang stuff. that and other normal web dev usage. i do gaming but im just going to dual boot for that. |
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| 05:02.57 | LuckySMack | are there any wheezy rc2 iso's offered yet? or do i need to update from 6 |
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| 05:03.40 | somiaj | LuckySMack: ther are debian installers for wheezy |
| 05:03.47 | somiaj | LuckySMack: probabaly better to install that way |
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| 05:04.49 | LuckySMack | this looks like its the right spot http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 05:05.22 | superlinux | hi. I'd love to have gnome 2 looks on gnome classical. how? I am using wheezy. |
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| 05:13.57 | isaias | I set my terminal to start tmux when it opens, but when I try to specify a tmux.conf I get an error. "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" |
| 05:15.18 | isaias | under custom command I added "tmux -f ~/.tmux.conf" |
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| 05:17.23 | shellox | i just found http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-5.html |
| 05:17.31 | shellox | but it seems to be a bit out of date |
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| 05:36.00 | superlinux-hp | hi. I'd love to have gnome 2 looks on gnome classical. how? would you please provide me with the theme names |
| 05:36.14 | superlinux-hp | i am using wheezy |
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| 05:56.38 | ikla | what tools can I use to monitor disk/block device performance? |
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| 06:01.42 | ChrisH | ikla: sysstat: /usr/bin/iostat |
| 06:01.58 | ChrisH | or for a more generic overview I personally use atop |
| 06:02.29 | superlinux-hp | ikla, you may on your gnome add graphing applets |
| 06:02.31 | Genesio | está away; dormir -=[Cyber]=- |
| 06:02.47 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, |
| 06:02.51 | superlinux-hp | I'd love to have gnome 2 looks on gnome classical. how? would you please provide me with the theme names |
| 06:03.18 | superlinux-hp | i am on wheezy |
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| 06:05.07 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: Why are you asking me directly? I have no real idea on DEs. |
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| 06:06.07 | ikla | iostat sucks |
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| 06:06.44 | ChrisH | ikla: then you need to describe more detailed what you are looking for and why. |
| 06:06.50 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, sorry.. but no one was there to answer me. my question would look like a spam. |
| 06:07.36 | ChrisH | dpkg tell superlinux-hp about ask |
| 06:08.15 | Blue1 | !hotkey |
| 06:08.25 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, sorry. i felt hopeless only |
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| 06:17.46 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell superlinux-hp about gnome gnome3 |
| 06:17.55 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell superlinux-hp about gnome |
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| 06:18.00 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell superlinux-hp about gnome3 |
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| 06:18.34 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: thats all I know about Gnome :) I use it as it is. |
| 06:18.50 | superlinux-hp | ok |
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| 06:26.13 | ragnul | is it expected that chromium and iceweasel segfault on startup with the latest testing packages? |
| 06:26.28 | ragnul | (I mean, is it a known problem?) |
| 06:26.47 | smw | ragnul, I have no problem with either in wheezy |
| 06:27.44 | ragnul | hmm, I can't get pidgin to run either... maybe something to do with gtk, then |
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| 06:30.13 | ragnul | I've rarely had both browsers successfully start up during the same time period for the past couple months |
| 06:30.34 | ragnul | they've finally both gone into segfault-mode now :( |
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| 06:32.50 | ragnul | hmm, pidgin is segving in libfontconfig |
| 06:33.08 | ragnul | 0x00007ffff2d6f6af in FcCharSetIsSubset () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1 |
| 06:35.29 | ChrisH | ragnul: it is not expected for any program to SEGV at all. Time to reboot or check if all packages are installed and configured correctly? |
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| 06:36.00 | ragnul | well, netsurf ran |
| 06:36.17 | ragnul | oops, it died when I went to facebook.com |
| 06:36.58 | ragnul | guess I'm best off rebooting... hopefully I can figure how to get that to work, too |
| 06:37.20 | ragnul | (booting up in the past few months has been unreliable, too...) |
| 06:37.34 | Nethox | Facebook crash: bug or feature? |
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| 06:39.31 | ragnul | well, wikipedia causes netsurf to die, too |
| 06:39.55 | ragnul | it's some rendering problem, I think... I assume it's consistently in fontconfig |
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| 06:41.26 | Nethox | The testing/unstable iceweasel version is quite old (10), I use the experimental one (20) without segfaults |
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| 06:42.18 | Zharf | yeah I moved to experimental on that too |
| 06:42.57 | Nethox | What is constantly crashing is the 32bits flash player plugin |
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| 06:49.29 | ragnul | wikipedia uses flash? |
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| 06:50.54 | ragnul | I only see pango, pangoft, and fontconfig in the backtrace |
| 06:51.08 | Nethox | I only remember HTML5 video/audio in wikipedia, but not sure |
| 06:51.19 | Nethox | ...about flash. |
| 06:53.28 | ragnul | I wonder if it's because of acroread keeping old libs around |
| 06:54.07 | ragnul | !acroread |
| 06:54.08 | dpkg | Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format for document exchange, designed by Adobe as a replacement for <PostScript>. Free software to view PDFs include <xpdf>, <kpdf>, <okular>, <evince> (all poppler based) and gv, kghostview (ghostscript-based, much slower!). Adobe Reader (acroread) is available from deb-multimedia in non-free; ask me about <dmm>. See also <edit pdf>, <pdf writer>. http://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
| 06:54.17 | ragnul | !dmm |
| 06:54.18 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 07:10.14 | gedO | Hello, can someone give directions how to make deb package from source??? |
| 07:10.22 | gedO | This chat has bot whitch |
| 07:10.35 | gedO | can give them, but I don't know how to ask him |
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| 07:12.31 | ChrisH | gedO: start with /msgdpkg deb |
| 07:12.36 | ChrisH | gedO: start with /msg dpkg deb |
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| 07:14.14 | gedO | ChrisH: no good. I have installed package with old version and I want to make |
| 07:14.23 | gedO | package from source |
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| 07:14.26 | gedO | of new version |
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| 07:16.25 | ChrisH | gedO: you checked the other recommendations the bot offered to ask him? |
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| 07:51.15 | anddam | I've got %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL in my sudoers (it's default btw) and my user is in "sudo" group, gid 27 |
| 07:51.47 | anddam | …and I answered my own question |
| 07:51.51 | anddam | thanks all |
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| 07:53.47 | anddam | actually I still have one: did the default expire time for sudo changed between squeeze and wheezy? |
| 07:54.00 | anddam | on this new 7.0 I get prompted for password even on two consecutives "sudo ls" |
| 07:54.46 | smw | anddam, I don't |
| 07:55.22 | smw | anddam, it must be something with your installation... |
| 07:55.51 | Dark_light | empathy doesn't retrive my fb contacts anymore |
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| 07:56.25 | Viliny | hi! |
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| 07:56.38 | Viliny | having some trouble with Squeeze, mainly dhcp set up |
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| 07:57.06 | Viliny | My aim was to make my debian server into a router so that i wouldn't use up all my public IP's on my cable modem~ |
| 07:57.23 | Viliny | i've done this several times in the past mainly with debian and ubuntu |
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| 07:57.50 | Viliny | i managed to set up the isc dhcp server and everything, but the actual interface configurations are getting a little blurry for me now |
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| 07:58.19 | dm8tbr | quick question. I'm in a PXE booted debian installer. I suspect it's outdated. How do I check it's version? |
| 07:58.50 | jpw | Viliny: what problems are you having with the interfaces? |
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| 07:59.20 | Viliny | Setting up the interfaces in the interfaces file i noticed parts were commented out for the network manager - after fiddling around for a while i rebuilt the interfaces file leaving all connection unmanaged. Network manager didn't see any connections any more and that was ok, but then i commented out the whole file and ifconfig still showed eth0 and eth1 active and using the IP's set up |
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| 08:00.19 | Viliny | now i still have the interfaces commented out while i added the connections to network manager to test it, i deleted all existing connection in the manager prior to this - i then added two connections to wired connections named auto eth0 and eth1 |
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| 08:00.49 | Viliny | i can now assign either one to both physical nics and they don't seem to have any ties as to what card they should be used on |
| 08:01.02 | jpw | Viliny: imo Network manager + trying to create a router/firewall aren't compaible. I just use the interfaces file and iptables |
| 08:01.10 | Viliny | long story short, everything works correctly now, but i don't know where the damn thing is actually getting it's configuration from |
| 08:01.19 | Viliny | its* |
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| 08:01.55 | Viliny | while i had the interfaces file as primary and network manager disabled as best i could, i was getting an IP and everything was seemingly fine - but it seems that DNS didn't work at all |
| 08:02.10 | Viliny | which made me resort to trying out the manager |
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| 08:04.09 | Viliny | eth0 gets it's ip by dhcp via my isp - eth1 is configured as static - 192.1.1.0 to be exact so it's faster/more comfortable to write |
| 08:04.17 | Nethox | Viliny, dns servers are usually set up in /etc/resolv.conf, but also in /etc/network/interfaces if you install resolvconf |
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| 08:04.58 | Viliny | it should get the dns server from dhcp - and by the looks of my established resolve - it was correct |
| 08:05.08 | Viliny | just couldn't resolve anything :p |
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| 08:05.31 | jpw | Viliny: from the router or from the machines using the router as a firewall? |
| 08:05.35 | Viliny | as far as i can tell, the setup is identical but it works now via the manager |
| 08:06.09 | Viliny | jpw: either, mainly on the router machine it stopped working - resetted modem several times and tried the line bypassing the router on a client machine and that worked |
| 08:06.50 | Viliny | the setup actually works now, but i would like to have the configuration in the interfaces file rather than the manager as it is now |
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| 08:08.06 | Viliny | if anyone has any ideas springing up after reading my rant i'd be glad to hear them - other than that -> not entirely sure what im trying to get at. I guess i'm a little confused where the manager stores its configuration and why it doesn't use the interfaces file |
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| 08:11.11 | GinTonicool | hi,guys,how download youtube by using jdownloader, JD just get only 1M of the video,all elses are so |
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| 08:13.32 | babilen | GinTonicool: Try JDownloader's support (or has it been packaged in Debian now?) |
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| 08:15.12 | i4c | its not packaged in debian, try jdownloader support |
| 08:15.27 | i4c | at least officially in the repos |
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| 08:16.03 | GinTonicool | babilen, what is JDownloader's support |
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| 08:17.01 | jpw | GinTonicool: try #jdownloader |
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| 08:17.49 | GinTonicool | o,my god,i've tried #jdownloader,but no answer |
| 08:18.02 | jpw | so why should we care? |
| 08:18.14 | i4c | in the site, the board, help, wiki/FAQ, support sections shouldhelp |
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| 08:20.07 | GinTonicool | maybe you guys know how to resolve it ,so i questiong here |
| 08:20.14 | GinTonicool | thank u |
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| 08:22.13 | Nethox | I know how to solve it ontopic, using youtube-dl |
| 08:22.25 | lapache | Hello, when i change vlan and bridges names in my interfaces file, the restart of my networking service still ifup old interfaces. How to reset from zero the network layer without reboot ? |
| 08:22.37 | Iridos | Nethox, you beat me by 2 seconds |
| 08:23.00 | i4c | 24 seconds to be exact :P |
| 08:23.57 | Iridos | no, 2... I erased what I had written |
| 08:24.26 | Iridos | dpkg, youtube-dl |
| 08:24.27 | dpkg | youtube-dl is a command line utility for downloading videos from <YouTube> and other sites. Not part of the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release due to bug #608176, but is available from <squeeze-backports>. Not part of the Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" release due to bug #688997. To use with <mplayer>, see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script . http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ #youtube-dl on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:24.50 | Iridos | Nethox, ha... it's neither in squeeze nor in wheezy |
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| 08:25.03 | Iridos | dpkg, dbugs 688997 |
| 08:25.12 | dpkg | DONE:#688997:G[youtube-dl] Needs update to newer version to fix youtube downloading (confirmed fixed-upstream); Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:39:01 UTC [692297] |
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| 08:25.59 | rozie | hello. does anyone knows the reason why zabbix-agent (zabbix in general) is not included in Wheezy? |
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| 08:26.27 | i4c | 1 thing that boggles me is, xonotic and red eclipse still aren't in debian repos :/ they are like the best FLOSS FPS imo |
| 08:26.43 | Nethox | Ok, youtube-dl is available in unstable |
| 08:27.04 | Iridos | "nomnom" is in wheezy... but I never tried that |
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| 08:27.24 | Iridos | and "clive" |
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| 08:28.05 | Iridos | and youtube-dl used to be in wheezy... I would remember if I had installed it from sid |
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| 08:29.21 | i4c | how do i access unstable , testing etc repos ? are they reserved to unreleased future distros ? |
| 08:29.46 | i4c | and are all released locked to stable ? like squeeze and older |
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| 08:30.10 | GinTonicool | i download files not from just youtube ,can youtube-dl still also work in other website ? |
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| 08:31.10 | GinTonicool | On windows ,IDM works very well ,i wanna a software works like IDM on debian |
| 08:31.32 | Nethox | GinTonicool, yes, see Supported sites: http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/documentation.html |
| 08:32.23 | i4c | thx Nethox it supports xvideos my favorite video site |
| 08:32.47 | Nethox | Good to know |
| 08:33.38 | GinTonicool | does it surpport www.nexttv.com.tw ? |
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| 08:34.57 | hellnest | guys anyone know how to dissamble .exe file ini debian? |
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| 08:36.27 | Daniel15 | hellnest: What type of EXE file? A Win32 EXE or a .NET EXE? |
| 08:36.30 | Daniel15 | ... or a DOS EXE? |
| 08:36.55 | Nethox | GinTonicool, no, but the Firefox/Iceweasel extension DownloadHelper supports it |
| 08:37.03 | Daniel15 | hellnest: There might be some stuff in Mono for decompiling .NET EXEs but I doubt there's tools for Win32 or DOS exes for Debian |
| 08:38.06 | jpw | hellnest: ndisasm part of nasm package can handle it. you'll obviously only get assembly code out of it. |
| 08:38.11 | hellnest | i can give you a sample |
| 08:38.37 | hellnest | i need to know what the contain of this .exe, the apps it's self is identified as a putty when i'm googling |
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| 08:40.00 | hellnest | hmm gonna try it then |
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| 08:40.02 | Viliny | why do you need to do that? |
| 08:40.07 | hellnest | thanks for the help ^^ |
| 08:40.35 | Nethox | The mplayer script for youtube-dl doesn't work well, because each video-site has its own rate limit, and because mplayer HTTP cache is fixed when it should adapt to the video bitrate and download rate |
| 08:42.21 | hellnest | Viliny: i have one application that created by small group to by pass the network |
| 08:43.47 | dexta | morning |
| 08:44.16 | Viliny | hellnest: i didn't quiet get that - vpn software or what? |
| 08:44.33 | Viliny | quite* |
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| 08:45.07 | Viliny | Dyslexia! Duffman's Secret Shame! |
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| 08:45.23 | jpw | lol |
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| 08:45.54 | Daniel15 | hellnest: I'd suggest using the `file` command (file whatever.exe) and see if your EXE is a Win32 or Mono/.NET EXE file. You can use different tools depending on what type of EXE it is. |
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| 08:52.44 | Viliny | i recently got into c# and .net - what kind of support for this does linux have? Mono obviously has something to do with it |
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| 08:54.42 | Nethox | Viliny, see ##mono and ##csharp |
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| 08:54.58 | Viliny | ty |
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| 09:05.05 | Daniel15 | Viliny: I'm hosting my blog (built using ASP.NET MVC 4) on Mono on a Debian server, works really well for me. |
| 09:05.32 | Viliny | is there a monodeveloping IDE for windows? |
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| 09:05.50 | Viliny | the downloads list xamarin and as far as i can tell, is for iOS and android |
| 09:07.30 | Daniel15 | Viliny: http://monodevelop.com/, I personally use Visual Studio 2010 in a Windows VM though. |
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| 09:09.41 | Viliny | got that - need to resume the subject at a later date. Thanks :) |
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| 09:11.17 | joaocfernandes | hi everyone i have a script that i execute through source to place some third party application , what is the best way to add it to bashrc? |
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| 09:19.13 | anddam | smw: what could it be, apart sudoers? |
| 09:20.21 | anddam | the only difference I see between this wheezy and a squeeze where I'm not prompted for password on consecutives sudo calls is "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" where there's the problem and "%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL" where there's no problem |
| 09:21.23 | anddam | where does sudo cache credentials? |
| 09:22.46 | nevyn | it doesn't cache the actual credentials |
| 09:22.54 | anddam | maybe a /var/db/ ownership issue |
| 09:22.58 | nevyn | just that you passed authentication "recently..." |
| 09:23.10 | anddam | that's what I was referring to |
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| 09:24.33 | anddam | nevyn: where does sudo store that info on debian? |
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| 09:25.27 | anddam | http://askubuntu.com/questions/190311/sudo-credential-caching-on-by-default refers to /var/db but I don't see the dir on debian, looking in doc for sudo package now |
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| 09:25.58 | Nethox | Maybe /var/lib/sudo/ |
| 09:26.05 | miha- | Hi, why hosts.allow/deny does not work. What I am missing. I did as I do it in centos. in allow sshd: ip, in denay: sshd:ALL ? tnx |
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| 09:26.45 | survietamine | hello |
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| 09:27.28 | anddam | Nethox: yes, just found in the files installed with sudo package |
| 09:27.54 | survietamine | I'd like to test djbdns, and i've seen a dbndns package, is this really useful ? Should I prefer it ? |
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| 09:29.29 | adkins1 | hello, i want to run win 7 on my debian squeeze. What would you suggest? vm ware player or rather something else? |
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| 09:29.48 | anddam | mm ctime in /var/lib are pretty odd |
| 09:29.52 | anddam | Jan 1 1985 |
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| 09:30.01 | b0lt | adkins1: kvm/qemu, perhaps? |
| 09:30.14 | b0lt | adkins1: vmware is fine too. whatever floats your boat |
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| 09:30.57 | zacts | will my wheezy -testing installation automatically become wheezy -stable when wheezy is released? |
| 09:31.16 | zacts | I don't have to do anything but apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade? |
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| 09:31.30 | adkins1 | b0lt: thx |
| 09:31.45 | Nethox | anddam, atime and mtime. sudo must be using the timestamps for its logic. I've seen similar hackery with udev and the sticky bit in dev files (useless normally) |
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| 09:32.08 | adkins1 | b0lt: have u ever used vm ware player on squeeze? |
| 09:32.11 | babilen | zacts: It depends on your sources.list -- If you use "wheezy" in there complete upgrades will upgrade you to wheezy stable. |
| 09:32.23 | zacts | ok, thanks babilen |
| 09:32.32 | m4k | hello i'm read to help debian but how? |
| 09:32.34 | babilen | zacts: You might have to run dist-upgrade though (it differs from upgrade in that it allows, for example, the removal of packages) |
| 09:33.01 | zacts | ok |
| 09:33.23 | babilen | zacts: Generally speaking your sources.list should look like http://paste.debian.net/166/ (which is a rather complete list of repositories for wheezy) |
| 09:33.33 | zacts | yep |
| 09:33.47 | babilen | zacts: Adapt that one to your needs or just keep yours if yours is fine :) |
| 09:34.07 | zacts | ty :-) |
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| 09:35.24 | Iridos | judd, versions youtube-dl |
| 09:35.25 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2012.09.27+dfsg1-1 |
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| 09:36.00 | m4k | how test debian releases |
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| 09:36.55 | anddam | Nethox: may ask what times do you have in /var/lib/sudo? |
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| 09:37.15 | Iridos | adkins1, virtualbox is packaged and was quite painless to use (in wheezy, though) |
| 09:37.47 | anddam | Nethox: bingo, I'm using fish http://superuser.com/questions/297566/sudo-keeps-asking-me-for-my-password-in-fish-shell |
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| 09:38.15 | Iridos | adkins1, it starts a graphical window, though... but as windows is graphical anyway, I don't see much of a backdraw |
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| 09:38.56 | anddam | working, thanks for help |
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| 09:39.07 | Nurbs | I am in font rendering trouble when Helvetica is being used in Iceweasel and Chromium. Some characters are larger, some are smaller than they should be. gnome-tweak-tool renders Helvetica just fine. I am unsure where Helvetica is coming from, though, I wouldn't think that it is included in Debian… Any idea about the problem and how to check what font files are used when "Helvetica" is chosen? I would preferably get it to work without disa |
| 09:39.07 | Nurbs | bling Helvetica. |
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| 09:39.51 | Nethox | anddam, dir stat: Access: 2013-04-25 11:25:07.077201989 +0200 Modify: 1985-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0100 Change: 2013-04-19 10:53:01.044358529 +0200 |
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| 09:41.13 | Nethox | Mounted with relatime |
| 09:41.22 | adkins1 | Iridos: i think i`ll try my luck with vm ware player since i already installed it. unfortunately i dont reach my machine from work via ssh anymore since i installed the player, not sure if vm ware is the issue, might be the lan cable not plugged in properly (i am at work, cant check it :( ) |
| 09:41.23 | anddam | Nethox: thanks, the mtime 1985 is weird tho', are you using a DeLorean? |
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| 09:42.02 | Nethox | anddam, no, for now just the flying skateboard |
| 09:42.18 | adkins1 | did anyone have lan-interface issues with installed vm ware player? |
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| 10:07.58 | touki | Hi guys, I have a problem on a remoter server debian squeeze. |
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| 10:08.34 | touki | I installed vnc4server, and try to connect through vncviewer, the only screen I get is a grey screen with a command line opened. |
| 10:08.51 | touki | Gnome seems launched because when I do startx |
| 10:08.53 | touki | I get : |
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| 10:09.59 | touki | http://paste.debian.net/182/ |
| 10:10.01 | touki | Any idea ? |
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| 10:18.12 | b0lt | touki: that's what vnc4server does per default. it has its own xsession file. it's all in the manual |
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| 10:20.13 | touki | b0l1: yep i've found that, thanks |
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| 10:24.11 | SamanthaD | I'm having trouble with excessive spindown of my harddrive. I'm using Debian Testing and I've set the APM mode of this harddisk to 255 (off). The problem's been going on for quite some time. |
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| 10:28.36 | Nethox | SamanthaD, try the hdparm -S options, APM and AAM sometimes don't make any difference |
| 10:29.28 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Thanks, I'll experiment with that and see if it makes it stop. |
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| 10:30.28 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Do you know how to query the current value? |
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| 10:30.58 | Nethox | SamanthaD, in general no, there is some tool for western digital iGreen, though |
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| 10:31.23 | Nethox | AFAIK, the -M option, Automatic Acoustic Management, only changes the arm speed, if anything |
| 10:31.49 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Weird... hdparm -S /dev/sda just complains at me rather than giving me any indication OR spinning down the disk like the man page says it will. Ah well... |
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| 10:32.21 | Nethox | SamanthaD, -S <parameter>. It does not work as a getter, only setter |
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| 10:32.58 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Yes, but the man page makes it sound like -S without a parameter makes the disk spin down immediately once. |
| 10:33.09 | Nethox | That's -y |
| 10:33.34 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Oh... Okay, that makes sense. |
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| 10:35.03 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Thanks a lot for your help. I set my timeout to 5.5 hours. I guess I just assumed that an APM code that prohibited spindown would do what it says on the tin. Ah well... |
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| 10:36.30 | Nethox | SamanthaD, yes, I think that APM should control whether the -S options is enabled or not, but each HDD reacts differently |
| 10:37.00 | Nethox | Many show you the finger, haha |
| 10:38.19 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Haha! I guess it's good job security for sysadmins. Also, I imagine it's good at driving sales for the harddrive companies when the excessive spindowns kill their product... |
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| 10:40.26 | Nethox | The spindown is most used in laptops, which generally last less than desktops so are replaced anyways. Ubuntu had a related "bug", they were setting the time too low and I think some motors died |
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| 10:42.32 | SamanthaD | Nethox: Pity. The HD is rarely the part to give out first on a laptop computer. |
| 10:43.50 | et | hm |
| 10:44.07 | et | on my small sample of laptops, it was often the HD |
| 10:44.27 | SamanthaD | I guess I should count myself (un)lucky... |
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| 10:49.24 | osfd | Hi there. Let's say I search files with spaces in their names, I use find ./ -iname '* *', but if I pipe it to echo like this find ./ -iname '* *' | echo , I see no output. what happens exactly ? |
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| 10:50.22 | osfd | if I do the same with more, it works fine |
| 10:50.35 | osfd | less too and any other command |
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| 10:54.17 | Nethox | osfd, echo is not a filter. Maybe you want find ... | xargs echo. Or just xargs which by default echoes the input |
| 10:54.41 | osfd | Nethox: xargs ? |
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| 10:55.21 | osfd | ok xargs - build and execute command lines from standard input |
| 10:56.04 | Nethox | osfd, try date | echo hello |
| 10:57.00 | Nethox | That's what you were trying, but printing just a blank line instead of "hello". And of course the input is equally ignored |
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| 10:58.16 | Kraken | Having some trouble installing debian - I downloaded CD1 from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ and put it on USB via Universal USB Installer as an unsupported linux os since its testing and wasnt an option |
| 10:58.30 | Nethox | osfd, but find has the option -exec, which treats difficult filenames better |
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| 10:58.47 | Kraken | During installation it says some of the hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate and can be loaded from removable media and such |
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| 10:59.11 | tralala | Kraken, the cd images support usb boot directly - just use dd to copy the .iso to the usb |
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| 10:59.35 | tralala | ah, firmware |
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| 10:59.46 | osfd | Nethox: actually I want to pipe this result to rename, and it works pretty fine |
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| 11:00.00 | Kraken | Yeah the two missing files are: iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode and iwlwifi-2030-2.ucode |
| 11:00.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kraken -about firmware images wheezy |
| 11:00.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kraken -about installer firmware |
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| 11:00.52 | babilen | Kraken: And don't use dd, but cp or cat as detailed in the installation guide. (see "/msg dpkg usb install wheezy") |
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| 11:01.08 | Kraken | Okay thank you |
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| 11:02.40 | babilen | Kraken: I am also not sure how well universal usb installer works, if you are on MS Windows I would recommend to use the disk imager linked in the <usb install wheezy> factoid. If you are on *NIX just use cp and copy it to the appropriate block device (e.g. /dev/sdb (check with "dmesg|tail -n23" first after plugging it in, don't overwrite your normal harddisk!)) |
| 11:02.49 | SamanthaD | Kraken: Those are wireless network drivers. Typical of wireless NICs. If you can plug your computer into an ethernet drop and install you can load up those firmwares after the install. |
| 11:03.01 | babilen | yeah, absolutely |
| 11:03.16 | SamanthaD | Kraken: That is the easiest way of handling it. |
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| 11:03.29 | Kraken | Downloading that program now thanks |
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| 11:03.50 | babilen | Kraken: How are you connected to the internet? Which image did you download exactly? |
| 11:04.13 | Kraken | Currently connected on my desktop not got linux installed on my laptop yet |
| 11:04.29 | Kraken | The image that I have right now is from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:04.35 | Kraken | Disk1 from that |
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| 11:05.04 | SamanthaD | Kraken: If that's the case then you could use your desktop's network drop on your laptop to get through the install OR you could use the desktop as a network bridge if the desktop is connected wirelessly. |
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| 11:06.08 | Nethox | babilen, why not use dd? |
| 11:07.11 | Kraken | If I use dd what happens after install if I remove the ethernet cable? |
| 11:07.12 | SamanthaD | Nethox: There's a reason why it's called Disk Destroyer. That being said, I don't see any reason why not to use it provided you exercise caution. |
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| 11:07.39 | babilen | SamanthaD: Is the computer you are planning to install Debian on connected via Ethernet or wireless? You can always install the firmware package later if you don't have to connect via wireless during the installation. CD1 contains all the packages you need to install the Desktop task. Note that if you are /not/ connected to the internet during the installation that your system will not be configured to use online repositories. That is all easy to ... |
| 11:07.40 | SamanthaD | Kraken: dd has nothing to do with what happens. dd is just something you use to get the data onto the USB drive. |
| 11:07.45 | babilen | ... solve after the installation. |
| 11:07.57 | babilen | Kraken: And that was meant for you not SamanthaD :) |
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| 11:08.28 | SamanthaD | haha, I was wondering why you were lecturing me on how to install Debian! |
| 11:08.33 | Kraken | Haha |
| 11:08.55 | Kraken | The laptop I currently am trying to install debian on is not connected to the internet but it would be via wireless |
| 11:09.12 | Kraken | Same with my computer wireless |
| 11:09.42 | babilen | Nethox: dd is simply a suboptimal choice. On top of the fact that it uses arcana syntax to specify its argument (if=, of=) it also does not adapt the blocksize during the copy automatically. cp does that and works just as well ... You can easily run "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" to copy it /and/ it will most likely be faster than dd as it scales the blocksize dynamically. |
| 11:10.29 | SamanthaD | babilen: Huh... learn something everyday. Thanks! |
| 11:10.31 | Nethox | Yeah, 512 B by default is not so great. I was asking just in case there was some other magical issues |
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| 11:12.12 | SamanthaD | Kraken: Assuming you're not installing with network at all what you'll need to do once the computer is installed would be to add the repository information to /ect/apt/sources.list and you would also need to install the appropriate firmware package |
| 11:12.14 | Nethox | babilen, however, to be able to cp to a device file, does cp internally detect this particular use case? |
| 11:12.36 | Nethox | I would have used cat, which I think uses 32 KiB by default. But not cp |
| 11:12.42 | Kraken | The problem is I am stuck on this screen |
| 11:12.48 | Kraken | It wont allow me to bypass it without these files |
| 11:12.56 | babilen | Nethox: No, not really ... There is simply the misconception that dd is in any way necessary to copy data from/to block devices ... cp and cat handle that quite fine without the arcane syntax. dd is required if you want to do anything more fancy such as specifying offsets or whatever. I personally also prefer dcfldd over dd ever since it has been pointed out to me. |
| 11:13.18 | boudiccas | how can i find out the version of libattica-dev that i have installed please? i've tried ' dpkg --version libattica-dev' but it only gave me the version of dpkg! |
| 11:13.21 | SamanthaD | Kraken: It's not taking 'no' for an answer?! |
| 11:13.26 | babilen | Nethox: cp simply copies data from one file to another .. Everything is a file. |
| 11:13.55 | babilen | Kraken: You should be able to continue .. Hit "OK" or "Cancel" or maybe "q" ... |
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| 11:14.17 | Kraken | Thanks I managed to get through it rookie mistake |
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| 11:14.40 | SamanthaD | Kraken: Hooray! |
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| 11:14.50 | Kraken | Thanks for all the help |
| 11:15.14 | Kraken | Much appreciated |
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| 11:15.50 | babilen | Nethox: We used to have "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" in the installation guide, but a couple of users had problems when they ran that with sudo. (i.e. "sudo cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX") -- The users did not realise that they need to be root to be able to write to /dev/sdX (the > /dev/sdX part) and /not/ for the cat. |
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| 11:16.14 | Kraken | I take it once the OS is installed I wont have internet access? Or be able to connect to the internet? |
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| 11:16.36 | Kraken | It told me no network interfaces were detected |
| 11:16.43 | SamanthaD | cat debian.iso > tee /dev/sdX |
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| 11:16.53 | Nethox | babilen, aha, the sudo pitfall. But cp does not only open a file and write like the shell redirection does (cat > ). cp changes the dir to add inodes and one could think it could overwrite the /dev file with a regular file |
| 11:17.04 | SamanthaD | cat debian.iso > sudo tee /dev/sdX (oops) |
| 11:17.05 | babilen | Kraken: Ok, as mentioned earlier: As you are not connected to the internet right now you /will/ have to configure your system to use online repositories later. To do that use a /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/166 and run "apt-get update" |
| 11:17.24 | ectospasm | SamanthaD: you probably want | not > |
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| 11:17.45 | SamanthaD | ectospasm: yes, I just noticed that... |
| 11:17.51 | babilen | Nethox: yeah, which is why we now have "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" in the installation guide. It addresses all these problems and is simply the easiest command that does the job just fine |
| 11:18.01 | ectospasm | or "tee /dev/sdX < debian.iso" |
| 11:18.08 | Kraken | Thanks again will do so |
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| 11:18.54 | SamanthaD | Kraken: Also, you might want to remove the install CDs from sources.list. I find it annoying, at least, when apt complains about an unmounted CD |
| 11:19.03 | babilen | Kraken: Furthermore: As you are using the RC1 installer without a network connection you will not install the latest version of some packages and you will have to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" to fully upgrade your system after the initial installation. |
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| 11:21.04 | babilen | Kraken: Let us know if you run into any issues ... Given that you will not be able to connect to the internet without installing the firmware-iwlwifi package (and you therefore cannot install it from online repositories) you have to download it manually from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi (click on the "All" and choose a mirror near you), copy it to a USB stick and then install it with "dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi*.deb" on the ... |
| 11:21.11 | babilen | ... target box. |
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| 11:21.37 | babilen | Due to all these problems I typically recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware ;) |
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| 11:21.44 | markand | hello there |
| 11:21.55 | Kraken | Thank you! |
| 11:22.01 | Kraken | I dont know what I would have done without you guys |
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| 11:22.08 | markand | I'm just reading the security incident from 2012 |
| 11:22.19 | babilen | Kraken: Well, that is what we are here for :-D |
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| 11:22.43 | markand | I'm just guessing, how the administrators noticed the installation of the plugin? |
| 11:22.46 | Kraken | Saved my day! :D |
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| 11:23.00 | Nethox | # cp -v -r /dev/xconsole /tmp/ |
| 11:23.00 | Nethox | removed `/tmp/xconsole' |
| 11:23.01 | Nethox | `/dev/xconsole' -> `/tmp/xconsole' |
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| 11:24.02 | Nethox | The removed part is what I was talking about. Depending on the options, cp does different things. I've tried and the Debian guide command, just "cp" works ok. But it is not so obvious to me like cat > (but I understand the sudo issue) |
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| 11:32.16 | Raha | hello |
| 11:32.24 | Raha | is KALI for debian? |
| 11:34.07 | babilen | no, Kali is a distribution that is based on Debina |
| 11:34.11 | babilen | *Debian |
| 11:34.17 | babilen | dpkg: kali linux |
| 11:34.17 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 11:35.16 | Raha | thank you |
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| 11:46.20 | oo_miguel | how can I chack what dvds my dvd writer is capable to write to? |
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| 11:47.06 | Viliny | oo_miguel: i would check the brand and read up on it online |
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| 11:47.13 | phogg | oo_miguel: /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
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| 11:47.32 | jelly | oo_miguel: dvd+rw-mediainfo shows info about both the device and the medium in it |
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| 11:50.19 | oo_miguel | /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info gives me that it Can write to DVD-RAM for instance. Does this mean that I should be able to write to DVD-RAMs of any capacity, up to 9.4GB ? |
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| 11:56.51 | haylo | oo_miguel: type "dmesg" after you put the disk in , to see relevant info about the last device that is attatched. It will say if it is failing to be recognized, what it is, what drivers are being used. etc |
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| 11:58.15 | phogg | oo_miguel: not necessarily, no |
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| 11:59.43 | w|t | how good is default debian support for multiple monitors? |
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| 12:00.15 | w|t | on the scale of 1 (lots of config needed to get it to automatically detect etc) to 10 (works out of the box with gui settings etc) |
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| 12:00.32 | ectospasm | I'd say 9 |
| 12:00.52 | ectospasm | I think I had to research the xrandr command, but it otherwise worked outta the box for me |
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| 12:01.11 | ectospasm | w|t: ^ |
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| 12:01.57 | oo_miguel | w|t: I had to play with my desktop-managers key bindings, the rest worked out of the box |
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| 12:02.20 | w|t | oh ok, thanks guys |
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| 12:02.35 | i4c | anyone know of a program to watch youtube, blip etc video sites and notify me when they have a new video, daily, weekly etc ? this without registering/logining on the sites |
| 12:02.49 | i4c | on a channel or channels |
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| 12:03.20 | haylo | gnome Desktop Enviornment has an amazing GUI for recognizing dual monitors. but if you must do it by hand, you can use xrandr like ectospasm said. or if you have nvidia or ati GPU they will have ways of handling extra monitors as well. |
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| 12:06.58 | Kraken | Okay! I managed to get connected to the internet! Hooray! How would I go about getting the latest updates? |
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| 12:07.36 | Kraken | I did try this "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 12:08.15 | Kraken | It just said 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
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| 12:14.30 | Nethox | i4c, look for web feeds (Atom, RSS) on each particular site |
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| 12:14.59 | Nethox | You still poll it, but it's lightweight and automatic with a feed reader |
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| 12:18.19 | haylo | Kraken: do "apt-get update" before you do "dist-upgrade". what is the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" ? |
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| 12:20.31 | Kraken | One sec |
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| 12:21.58 | Kraken | dist-upgrade not found the first command seemed to work it downloaded a 112kb package |
| 12:22.11 | Kraken | How would I go about getting the output for debian version? |
| 12:22.22 | haylo | filiated/chalcedony] has joined #debian |
| 12:22.22 | haylo | 04:08 < Kraken> I did try this "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 12:22.44 | haylo | sorry about that , its "apt-get updgrade" |
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| 12:23.06 | Kraken | Think I might have the latest since nothing is downloading |
| 12:23.10 | Kraken | 0 upgrades etc |
| 12:23.19 | Kraken | The problem I am having now is display drivers |
| 12:23.30 | Kraken | I cant change my resolution from the 800xsomething it is at |
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| 12:23.38 | haylo | i tried to grab what you had pasted, because it was correct. "dist-upgrade" and "update" are options for apt-get |
| 12:23.51 | Kraken | Ah okay |
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| 12:24.21 | haylo | damnit, sorry "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" * respectivly |
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| 12:25.02 | Kraken | Okay I used apt-get update |
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| 12:25.07 | Kraken | It downloaded something by the look of it |
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| 12:25.43 | Kraken | How would I go about checking if I am up to date? |
| 12:25.55 | haylo | Kraken: if you enter "xrandr" do you see a desirable resolution? that will list the resolutions currently available to you with the xorg version you are on. |
| 12:26.17 | apm1 | Kraken, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:26.25 | apm1 | run as a sudoer or root |
| 12:26.39 | Kraken | Running these as root |
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| 12:26.49 | apm1 | Kraken, cool nick btw |
| 12:27.14 | SamanthaD | Kraken: If you do apt-get upgrade and it tells you it wants to update stuff after you've done an apt-get update then you're not up to date. (if it complains about held-back packages that means you need to do dist-upgrade instead) |
| 12:27.40 | Kraken | Okay thanks for sticking with me here |
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| 12:27.57 | apm1 | SamanthaD, why shouldn't he do a dist-upgrade directly ? |
| 12:28.07 | apm1 | it can not hurt |
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| 12:28.52 | haylo | apm1: SamanthaD has a good point i think. "upgrade" is for the software, dist-upgrade it to move to a new release |
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| 12:29.34 | SamanthaD | Well... yes and no. dist-upgrade allows for additional dependencies to be fetched, not just for moving to a new release (especially if you're running testing or unstable). |
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| 12:30.19 | apm1 | haylo, dude i have been using dist-upgrade for 2.5 years now , and on our side people use it , no fatalities here |
| 12:30.41 | apm1 | on our side you know what i mean haylo |
| 12:30.50 | SamanthaD | I guess there's no REASON |
| 12:30.57 | haylo | i know what you mean. heya apm1 |
| 12:31.07 | apm1 | s /by |
| 12:31.19 | apm1 | haylo, o/ |
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| 12:31.37 | SamanthaD | I guess there's the argument when you're using testing or unstable and a package gets a huge change that pulls a bunch of deps you don't just say "ah, okay, upgrade everything" and then have to fix a mess when you don't have time to do so. |
| 12:31.55 | SamanthaD | but that's just me justifying habit ;) |
| 12:32.03 | apm1 | i run sid |
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| 12:32.16 | apm1 | and if this were reddit XD |
| 12:32.29 | apm1 | i'd reply the way i feel like right now XD |
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| 12:32.36 | apm1 | but well its #debian |
| 12:32.40 | Kraken | apt-get update downloads some very small files by the looks of it and right after it I run apt-get dist-upgrade and it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" |
| 12:32.55 | haylo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.58 | apm1 | Kraken, good you iz up to date my lad :) |
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| 12:33.21 | SamanthaD | Kraken: If you installed the computer with a network up then the installer ought to have fetched the latest packages during the install. This is normal. |
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| 12:33.40 | fs-sylr | Hi |
| 12:33.44 | fs-sylr | on squeeze |
| 12:33.45 | SamanthaD | Kraken: Or perhaps the CD images were particularly up to date ;) |
| 12:33.45 | Kraken | Wasnt installed with network weirdly I am up to date |
| 12:33.46 | apm1 | Kraken, what version of debian are you on ? |
| 12:34.04 | apm1 | Kraken, its not weird , its normal |
| 12:34.05 | fs-sylr | I've tried added a CA cert to the system but curl ignores it |
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| 12:34.19 | fs-sylr | do you know what could be the problem ? |
| 12:34.23 | Kraken | I still have the problem of my resolution not going past 1024xsomething I think my real resolution is 1900xsomething |
| 12:35.12 | apm1 | Kraken, run apt-get install firmware-linux |
| 12:35.25 | SamanthaD | oy! disclosure |
| 12:35.31 | Kraken | Release 7.0 (Wheezy) 64bit |
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| 12:35.42 | Kraken | Kernal linux 3.2.0-4 amd64 |
| 12:35.44 | SamanthaD | Kraken: you may need to install proprietary firmware blobs the way apm1 instructed |
| 12:35.51 | SamanthaD | Kraken: What kind of video card are you running? |
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| 12:35.51 | Kraken | And Gnome 3.4.2 |
| 12:35.59 | Kraken | Geforce GT 650m sli |
| 12:36.58 | babilen | Kraken: Yeah, please install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri and reboot. |
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| 12:37.53 | SamanthaD | Kraken: But to do that you're probably going to need to add non-free and contrib to your sources.list if you haven't already! |
| 12:37.57 | apm1 | Kraken, after you have installed the firmware and have rebooted , run apt-get install gnome |
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| 12:38.20 | Kraken | How would I go about adding something to my sources list? |
| 12:38.40 | apm1 | Kraken, run as root nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:38.48 | SamanthaD | Kraken: use a text editor to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:38.50 | haylo | Do what babilen says Kraken , he is a channel op here. being there are 4 people skeaing to you about this |
| 12:38.57 | haylo | speaking* |
| 12:39.14 | apm1 | and paste there what babilen will now pastie for you |
| 12:39.24 | babilen | will I? |
| 12:39.30 | alegen | @Kraken and in case you`re not sure what to add there, visit http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 12:39.31 | apm1 | i hope babilen will be so kind to XD |
| 12:39.36 | babilen | hehe, okay: http://paste.debian.net/166 |
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| 12:39.58 | jelly | dselect: ping |
| 12:39.59 | dselect | Yes, jelly, you are online. |
| 12:40.24 | babilen | alegen: No, please don't advertise that link. It causes us a lot of pain and people b0rk their systems by enabling various unsupported third-party repositories. |
| 12:40.41 | alegen | hmm... ok my bad then :p |
| 12:40.47 | apm1 | i second that |
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| 12:41.02 | babilen | alegen: No worries :) |
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| 12:42.19 | apm1 | haylo, you aren't in the debian Xstrike force by any chance ? |
| 12:42.58 | squirrel | has anyone used backports? i can't get it working. either i get errors or it says that my app is the latest version |
| 12:43.10 | babilen | dselect: tell squirrel -about bat |
| 12:43.21 | Kraken | I dont think I have a text editor installed to edit this file |
| 12:43.25 | Kraken | Just doc viewer |
| 12:43.33 | apm1 | Kraken, use nano |
| 12:43.37 | SamanthaD | Kraken: You don't have nano? |
| 12:43.38 | babilen | squirrel: At this point in time you probably should consider upgrading to wheezy if you require backports as we will release it in about a week. |
| 12:43.40 | Kraken | Okay will download it now |
| 12:43.44 | Kraken | Nope no nano |
| 12:43.49 | apm1 | wut no nano ? |
| 12:43.51 | babilen | you should have it |
| 12:43.52 | apm1 | faints |
| 12:44.02 | SamanthaD | le gasp! Wheezy goes stable in a week?! *excited* |
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| 12:44.12 | babilen | dselect: wwwr |
| 12:44.12 | dselect | The release of Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is planned for the weekend of May 4th/5th 2013. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th 2012 (ask me about <freeze>). See http://lists.debian.org/20130418142221.GO3263@halon.org.uk for more details. |
| 12:44.24 | apm1 | SamanthaD, you didn't know ? |
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| 12:44.41 | SamanthaD | apm1: I knew it was real soon. I didn't know it was THAT soon! |
| 12:44.51 | babilen | Also: http://bits.debian.org/2013/04/release-date.html (valar dohaeris!) |
| 12:45.37 | SamanthaD | Whooo hoo! The freeze will thaw and I can have shiny new things again! n_n |
| 12:45.38 | babilen | Kraken: Could you run "dpkg -l nano|tail -n1" and tell me how the line starts? |
| 12:46.03 | apm1 | SamanthaD, you still can just need courage to run experimental |
| 12:46.26 | apm1 | do you have it "courage" i mean thats all that matters XD |
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| 12:46.49 | SamanthaD | apm1: Something tells me that's a bad idea ;) |
| 12:47.01 | apm1 | hehe |
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| 12:47.38 | cirrus] | hi, how can I set an ad-hoc connection between Debian Wheezy and Windows XP? |
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| 12:47.57 | Kraken | Error unknown command |
| 12:48.00 | SamanthaD | Sucks to be Ubuntu, releasing mere weeks before Unstable gets unfrozen? Ah well, a little bit of extra work never hurt anyone |
| 12:48.00 | Kraken | Running that |
| 12:48.05 | squirrel | babilen: i think i am on wheezy already, although i'm not sure. and here's what i do: http://pastebin.com/vCrCzwQJ |
| 12:48.27 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: What kind of connection? |
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| 12:49.13 | babilen | Kraken: Which command gives you "Error unknown command" ? |
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| 12:49.58 | babilen | dselect: tell squirrel -about raspbian |
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| 12:50.29 | Kraken | "dpkg -l nano|tail -n1" gives error: unknown option -1 |
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| 12:50.55 | cirrus] | SamanthaD, direct, one to one with network wire (RJ-45 to RJ-45) |
| 12:51.08 | babilen | Kraken: It is a small L not one ... I would recommend to use a better font that allows you to differentiate between, among other things, l and 1 |
| 12:51.13 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: Are you using a crossover cable? |
| 12:51.28 | cirrus] | yes |
| 12:51.37 | cirrus] | I need just to set up network |
| 12:51.44 | cirrus] | and I don't know how to do it? |
| 12:51.50 | cirrus] | s/?/ |
| 12:51.54 | Kraken | Oh sorry I was using a | |
| 12:51.57 | Kraken | Lol |
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| 12:52.20 | babilen | Kraken: Okay, you can also run "wget -O sources.list http://paste.debian.net/download/166" which downloads my paste and saves it in a file calles "sources.list". You can copy/move that in place with, say, "mv sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" and then run "apt-get update" |
| 12:52.57 | babilen | Kraken: The command is "dpkg -l nano|tail -n1" -- It is first a small L (l), then a pipe (|) and finally a one (1) :) |
| 12:53.27 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: I'm guessing it's a pretty safe bet that there's no DHCP on your ad-hoc connection so you'll probably need to configure both NICs manually. Once you do that they should talk to each other though. |
| 12:53.50 | babilen | Kraken: l | 1 ← you really want a font that makes it easy to distinguish these three. DejaVu Sans Mono is one that should already be installed. |
| 12:54.19 | cirrus] | SamanthaD, I'm asking how to configure both NICs manually! |
| 12:54.36 | Kraken | It says "64 small, friendly text editor inspired by pico" |
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| 12:55.08 | babilen | Kraken: How does it start? With "ii" or something else? |
| 12:55.16 | Kraken | ii nano |
| 12:55.21 | Kraken | 2.2.6-1+b1 |
| 12:55.24 | babilen | So it /is/ installed :) |
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| 12:55.40 | squirrel | babilen: they are kind of silent, and there is little to nothing on google if i include “raspbian” |
| 12:55.46 | babilen | Kraken: Either way, please run the wget command and then move the sources.list in place |
| 12:55.47 | squirrel | it's still debian isn't it |
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| 12:56.28 | babilen | squirrel: Sorry, but we don't support it here. It's not Debian (obviously, as it is raspbian) but merely based on it. |
| 12:56.46 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: Sorry, I guess I misunderstood the question. I can't help you with the Windows side. I'm currently testing my advice on one of my own machines so I don't give you something flunky. |
| 12:56.48 | Kraken | Doing it now Babilen thanks |
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| 12:57.20 | apm1 | wow even bots disconnect |
| 12:57.29 | babilen | dpkg: wb |
| 12:57.29 | dpkg | thanks, babilen. It's good to be back. |
| 12:57.46 | squirrel | babilen: well, thanks anyway, i guess |
| 12:57.51 | apm1 | dpkg, why did you even leave ? |
| 12:57.52 | dpkg | I did *WHAT*?! |
| 12:57.57 | apm1 | XD |
| 12:58.11 | cirrus] | lol |
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| 12:58.47 | cirrus] | SamanthaD, well, what about debian part? |
| 12:59.43 | babilen | Kraken: Did that work? Can you run "apt-get update" and, even more importantly, "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri" now? |
| 13:00.21 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: Okay, here we go. First you need to bring the interface up |
| 13:00.22 | babilen | Kraken: (that is libg-EL-ONE-mesa- ;) |
| 13:00.29 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 13:00.43 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: replace eth0 with whatever the interface it is |
| 13:00.52 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: then you can set the ip addy and the netmask |
| 13:01.12 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy |
| 13:01.16 | cirrus] | SamanthaD, ifconfig: command not found |
| 13:01.28 | Nethox | As root |
| 13:01.29 | SamanthaD | cirrus]: you need to run it as root |
| 13:01.56 | Nethox | dpkg, interfaces |
| 13:01.57 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 13:02.01 | babilen | casually mentions http://inai.de/2008/02/19 to SamanthaD and cirrus] |
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| 13:03.44 | SamanthaD | babilen: *whines* damnit, now I have to learn a whole new set of tools, don't I?! |
| 13:03.51 | babilen | yes |
| 13:04.01 | babilen | well, mostly just one tool :) |
| 13:04.06 | SamanthaD | ah well, can't be helped I guess |
| 13:04.55 | SamanthaD | I've really been stuck in the stone age, haven't I? |
| 13:05.25 | babilen | ah, no ... cut yourself some slack. bronze age at least ;) |
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| 13:06.00 | babilen | But lets continue this charming conversation in #debian-offtopic |
| 13:06.16 | Kraken | "wget -O sources.list http://paste.debian.net/download/166" - returns wget: invalid option --'0' |
| 13:06.17 | SamanthaD | Haha! It feels like only yesterday I was hand compiling 2.4 kernels... |
| 13:06.29 | SamanthaD | (sorry) |
| 13:06.46 | apm1 | SamanthaD, you ! so old XD |
| 13:06.55 | babilen | Kraken: Ok, it is O as in "Oh Dear! I really need a font that allows me to see the difference between zero 0 and O" |
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| 13:07.07 | Kraken | Dam it I did it as a 0 |
| 13:07.10 | atmosx | hello |
| 13:07.12 | Kraken | Lol they keep catching me out |
| 13:07.27 | atmosx | I have a debian installation in vmbox, it's squeeze, can I turn it to 'sid' with a couple of commands? |
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| 13:07.34 | atmosx | I'd like to install KDE-4.8 on it |
| 13:07.35 | babilen | Kraken: Just use a proper font not your beloved comic sans ;) |
| 13:07.44 | Kraken | Font changed |
| 13:07.55 | Kraken | Using the one you suggested now |
| 13:07.56 | babilen | atmosx: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 13:08.03 | atmosx | good font for programming but generally for everything is inconsolata and it's free. |
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| 13:09.08 | SamanthaD | atmosx: You need to change your sources.list to sid instead of squeeze and then run an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade IIRC |
| 13:09.08 | babilen | There are many good monospaced fonts, but Debian uses DejaVu Sans Mono by default. Terminus is also used on the console, but meh .. lets not get into this as the question as to which font is "best" is highly subjective. |
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| 13:09.20 | atmosx | s00pcan: thanks I've read that on the link babilen gave me :-) |
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| 13:09.56 | SamanthaD | I'm just waiting for them to come out with comic-sans mono >.> |
| 13:10.02 | atmosx | however, there's a problem… I don't see any 'stable' magic words in my sources.list … |
| 13:10.09 | atmosx | also I need to switch mirrors to something closer. |
| 13:10.27 | SamanthaD | atmosx: do they say "squeeze"? |
| 13:10.47 | babilen | atmosx: Please make sure you use and understand apt-{listbugs,listchanges} and that you are aware of the issues associated with running sid/unstable -- If you need help after switching to unstable please ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the appropriate channel for testing/unstable support. |
| 13:11.07 | atmosx | SamanthaD: yes |
| 13:11.23 | atmosx | babilen: are you a bot? |
| 13:11.35 | SamanthaD | atmosx: no, he's a mod ;) |
| 13:11.39 | babilen | atmosx: You, essentially, want a sources.list with a single line: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" (add a corresponding deb-src line if you require access to source packages) |
| 13:11.55 | atmosx | babilen: yeah, I've read all of this in the link you gave me. |
| 13:12.11 | atmosx | babilen: this one seems to work for me http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 13:12.12 | babilen | atmosx: No, I can assure you that I am not a <bot>. |
| 13:12.15 | apm1 | no babilen is one of the senior knights of debian atmosx |
| 13:12.17 | babilen | atmosx: NO! |
| 13:12.32 | SamanthaD | atmosx: sources.list typically uses release names rather than unstable/testing/stable so that when, say, wheezy becomes stable next week it won't cause a bunch of computers to suddenly jump from squeeze to wheezy. That would be bad. |
| 13:12.38 | Kraken | I ran the wget command and then apt-get update both seemed to have worked |
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| 13:13.23 | SamanthaD | atmosx: So just change all the "squeeze"s to "unstable"s |
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| 13:13.40 | babilen | atmosx: That website is a suboptimal choice and will, at best, result in a working mirror configuration, but leads to broken setups in most cases as people enable way more than they should. Just use the single line I mentioned earlier as it is all you need for unstable. |
| 13:13.43 | apm1 | Kraken, did you run apt-get install firmware-linux after it |
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| 13:13.57 | Kraken | Nope should I? |
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| 13:14.17 | babilen | Kraken: Did you copy the sources.list to /etc/apt/sources.list and can you run "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri" now? |
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| 13:14.43 | atmosx | babilen: okay, you seem to be words of wisdom around here. So I just change my prior config to unstable? |
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| 13:14.53 | atmosx | needs to configure vim properly and get all his plugins |
| 13:14.55 | babilen | (or use linux-firmware in lieu of linux-firmware-nonfree, that one depends on both linux-firmware-free and -nonfree) |
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| 13:15.46 | babilen | atmosx: *If* you want to run unstable you only require the single line that I mentioned. It might come in handy to have access to testing packages and source packages at times, but that is essentially what you need. |
| 13:16.38 | Kraken | I dont think I copied the sources.list |
| 13:16.47 | Kraken | Unless it done it via the commands |
| 13:17.01 | SamanthaD | Kraken: that would be a problem then! Why don't you cat your current sources.list and see if it matches up? |
| 13:17.04 | babilen | atmosx: All that being said: I do /not/ recommend to run unstable mindlessly and you /will/ run into issues in the future. Some of them will be hard to fix and if you don't know how to "upgrade" to unstable now you will have /a lot/ to learn before you will be able to deal with them. |
| 13:17.30 | atmosx | babilen: really? |
| 13:17.32 | atmosx | hmmm |
| 13:17.32 | babilen | atmosx: That being said: I would, at this point in time, recommend to run wheezy and learn more about the system to you. |
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| 13:17.44 | SamanthaD | atmosx: It's called "unstable" for a reason ;) |
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| 13:17.52 | atmosx | so it's better to switch to wheezy. Okay, what do I do to run wheezy? |
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| 13:18.05 | SamanthaD | atmosx: would you like my sources.list? |
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| 13:18.19 | atmosx | SamanthaD: I was running gentoo ~x86 from 2004-2008 I can find my way (I guess) but I don't like reading manuals anymore (although I'm kinda pedantinc when I do to avoid more hassles) |
| 13:18.36 | atmosx | SamanthaD: do I need it? |
| 13:18.37 | babilen | Well, "stable" and "unstable" in Debian simply means "not changing" and "changing" respectively. The terminology has nothing to do with "not broken, usable" or "broken, geek-fun-park-ride" :) |
| 13:19.06 | babilen | atmosx: You are running squeeze at the moment, aren't you? |
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| 13:19.49 | atmosx | babilen: yes |
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| 13:20.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell atmosx -about wheezy release notes |
| 13:20.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell atmosx -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:20.38 | babilen | atmosx: You want a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/166 -- I strongly recommend to read and follow the instructions in the release notes. |
| 13:20.40 | SamanthaD | atmosx: No... you could write your own but mine works nicely. http://pastebin.com/qZcAnEkh |
| 13:20.49 | atmosx | babilen SamanthaD that's my sources.list https://gist.github.com/atmosx/5459629 |
| 13:21.02 | atmosx | babilen: okay thanks |
| 13:21.34 | atmosx | can I change the mirrors to czech republic ones? |
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| 13:21.54 | babilen | atmosx: See my paste for a sources.list that picks a "good" mirror automagically and contain everything you'll ever want to enable :) |
| 13:22.00 | SamanthaD | atmosx: Absolutely! |
| 13:22.03 | babilen | dpkg: http.debian.net |
| 13:22.04 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. Unlike <cdn.debian.net>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which http.debian.net>. |
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| 13:22.28 | babilen | atmosx: You can, naturally, also hardcode a mirror of your choice in lieu of http.debian.net |
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| 13:22.46 | UserError1 | Has anyone done an apt-build world with linaro gcc 4.8 and link time optimization? |
| 13:22.53 | atmosx | babilen: okay, so I'm good to go. apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? or the other way around? |
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| 13:23.03 | SamanthaD | atmosx: dist-upgrade! |
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| 13:23.09 | babilen | atmosx: READ THE RELEASE NOTES |
| 13:23.10 | atmosx | okay |
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| 13:23.22 | atmosx | babilen: release notes? of wheeze you mean? |
| 13:23.33 | babilen | yes, see the private message the bot sent you |
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| 13:23.45 | Kraken | I should be able to open sources.list and edit it? |
| 13:23.49 | unkmar | atmosx: not wheeze. wheezy. Character from Toy Story. |
| 13:23.56 | babilen | atmosx: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 13:24.02 | Kraken | I cant seem to find the text editor on my system that it says it has installed |
| 13:24.03 | atmosx | babilen: thanks |
| 13:24.06 | atmosx | unkmar: oh, okay. |
| 13:24.21 | UserError1 | unkmar: are you sure the devs aren't just closet Lil'Wayne fans? |
| 13:24.27 | babilen | Kraken: Yes, you should be provided that you have sufficient privileges (that is you are root or are using sudo) |
| 13:24.54 | babilen | Kraken: Didn't you move the file you downloaded (my paste) to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 13:25.23 | Kraken | I have no idea if it downloaded correctly it seemed to but if it has where will it have downloaded to? |
| 13:25.30 | babilen | Kraken: Does "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" match http://paste.debian.net/166 now? What do you get if you run "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" as root? |
| 13:26.52 | babilen | Kraken: As I said: Run "wget -O sources.list http://paste.debian.net/download/166 ; mv sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" as root. Then check its content with "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and run "apt-get update" to "activate" it |
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| 13:27.11 | atmosx | okay, apparently I have nothing to upgrade. |
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| 13:27.47 | babilen | Kraken: If you ran the wget command before you should have a file called "sources.list" in your current directory already (i.e. "cat sources.list" should look like my paste) |
| 13:28.33 | babilen | Kraken: After you've done all that run "apt-get install firmware-linux libgl1-mesa-dri" -- If you have problems at any step paste your commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:29.11 | babilen | atmosx: May I see the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-cache policy" and "apt-get update ; aptitude search ~U" and "aptitude search ~o" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:29.29 | atmosx | babilen: sure |
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| 13:30.58 | Kraken | imgur.com/2rBxLSj |
| 13:31.00 | atmosx | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/219/ |
| 13:31.18 | atmosx | babilen: I had a fairly barebone system anyway… It was meant to run only a small set of programs. |
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| 13:31.35 | atmosx | babilen: I'm connecting through it via ssh and that's all there is to it, so it makes sense. |
| 13:32.24 | babilen | Kraken: It is a capital O not a small o in the wget command. (it is "wget -O sources.list http://paste.debian.net/download/166" not "wget -o sources.list http://paste.debian.net/download/166") please .. this is getting old |
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| 13:33.49 | babilen | atmosx: You are using a squeeze sources.list -- I see no evidence whatsoever of a completed upgrade to wheezy. |
| 13:34.03 | atmosx | babilen: and to install kde I just follow this instr. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE right? |
| 13:34.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell atmosx -about install kde |
| 13:34.22 | babilen | atmosx: But upgrade to wheezy /first/ |
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| 13:35.47 | atmosx | babilen: dist-upgrade reports: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 13:36.21 | SamanthaD | atmosx: dist-upgrade should have installed a HUGE boatload of packages. |
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| 13:36.34 | atmosx | SamanthaD: I don't think so, how can I get the number of pacakges installed? |
| 13:36.57 | atmosx | ah no |
| 13:36.59 | atmosx | wait |
| 13:37.10 | babilen | atmosx: ok ... please follow the release notes and don't skip at step. |
| 13:37.22 | atmosx | no no sources.list is the same, apparently didn't save the changes… (shit) |
| 13:37.26 | babilen | atmosx: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html (I /will/ check that you didn't skip a step!) |
| 13:38.21 | atmosx | babilen: haha ok |
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| 13:40.07 | atmosx | ah okay, 378 MB worth of packages.. |
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| 13:45.50 | p0wn3d | We have 5000 linux workstations we would like to keep on gnome 2 for the next 3 years. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:46.00 | UserError1 | matte |
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| 13:46.35 | UserError1 | Mate* |
| 13:47.08 | atmosx | p0wn3d: 5.000 ? |
| 13:47.11 | atmosx | that's a big number |
| 13:47.17 | p0wn3d | All of our shortcuts and scripts target gnome 2. So we would have to change everything because MATE changed the name of binaries and stuff |
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| 13:47.35 | UserError1 | so test with replaceall |
| 13:47.43 | p0wn3d | We love linux here. :) |
| 13:47.48 | atmosx | leenoux |
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| 13:47.56 | atmosx | p0wn3d: don't upgrade. |
| 13:47.57 | tremon | keeping debian oldstable on your workstations could work, with 5.000 employees you must have some knowledge to support it yourself |
| 13:48.36 | p0wn3d | After a year the support runs out on 6.07 so it would be alot of manual security updates |
| 13:49.01 | jelly | p0wn3d: test and deploy switchover to MATE during the next 12 months, before squeeze support runs out |
| 13:49.12 | UserError1 | sed -i 's/old-word/new-word/g' *.txt |
| 13:49.20 | tremon | depends on what you think is a lot... you'll spend more time tracking CVE watchlists than the patching itself, I'd guess |
| 13:49.42 | p0wn3d | OK thank you everyone |
| 13:49.44 | tralala | p0wn3d, you could setup a private security repo - this will solve the manual updates after squeeze support stops |
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| 13:49.55 | tremon | besides, if you enable backports you'll be running the wheezy kernel |
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| 13:50.04 | Kraken | babilen: All commands ran now worked perfectly as far as I can tell |
| 13:50.07 | haylo | p0wn3d: i actually would have them all run debian-live with a persistence medium. then you could delete the persistence mediums to have return them all back to normal settings. Though there are better ways, I doubt any of them will be as easy. |
| 13:50.30 | haylo | and custom build the debian live, using debian live-build |
| 13:50.32 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: Um, no need to upgrade the kernel just because you want a backport. |
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| 13:51.11 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: well, if you want to keep running squeeze for 3+ years it's easier to track security updates for 3.2 than 2.6.32 |
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| 13:51.49 | atmosx | Fetched 382 MB in 11min 36s (548 kB/s) <-- speed is never enough :-(( |
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| 13:52.25 | jhutchins_wk | atmosx: Try moving terabyte databases around. |
| 13:52.35 | atmosx | jhutchins_wk: I'm not a masochist. |
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| 13:52.51 | atmosx | jhutchins_wk: you do that in a 10/100 network? O_o |
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| 13:53.39 | M-16 | hello |
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| 13:54.19 | jhutchins_wk | atmosx: 1G actually, but I only get 20-30M/s |
| 13:54.35 | M-16 | how to disable screensaver in gnome shell? My screen keep blanking while i'm whatching flash videos, and i can't disable it from settings panel |
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| 13:55.02 | tremon | M-16: please ask #gnome, fafaik it's not possible |
| 13:55.04 | ksuhku | never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon loaded with hdds hurtling down the highway |
| 13:55.22 | UserError1 | M-16: you have to disable it in bash each time |
| 13:55.26 | UserError1 | with the shortcut to the browser |
| 13:55.35 | UserError1 | that way if your browser is off on exit it will turn back on |
| 13:55.38 | M-16 | ok ty |
| 13:56.03 | UserError1 | have your screensaver simply be controlled based on open / close of browser |
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| 14:03.35 | kaneda^ | hey all, i'm trying to do a live-build but i have some custom stuff in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d and when it goes to download these files it tells me there's no candidate |
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| 14:04.27 | kaneda^ | how can i get lb to read my current sources.list.d? |
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| 14:18.37 | anddam | is setting login shell to false the right way to prevent a shell login? |
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| 14:19.05 | ChrisH | anddam: its one way to do it. |
| 14:19.09 | anddam | I seem to remember a "nologin" program or so |
| 14:19.23 | tremon | no, it will prevent local logins but not remote shells (since the user can specify their shell explicitly) |
| 14:19.25 | anddam | ChrisH: is there a "more debian" way to do that? |
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| 14:19.51 | anddam | I'm setting up an user that will run a script, a webapp |
| 14:20.02 | kaneda^ | how can i get lb to read my current sources.list.d? |
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| 14:20.54 | tremon | anddam: it really depends. For a local (service) user, setting shell to /bin/false is the right way to do it |
| 14:20.54 | fahi | anddam: You might want to take a look at passwd -l -- however, that won't disable ssh logins, passwd (1) states that usermod --expiredate 1 will |
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| 14:21.22 | kaneda^ | i was under the impression lb would use my current sources to grab the packages i've selected for download into the chroot |
| 14:21.32 | kaneda^ | and that i could add any permanent sources in config/archives whatever |
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| 14:22.14 | tremon | kaneda^: according to http://live.debian.net/devel/live-build/ , you should ask #debian-live of oftc |
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| 14:22.21 | tremon | s/of/on/ |
| 14:22.29 | kaneda^ | hokay |
| 14:22.53 | tremon | might get you more responses |
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| 14:27.56 | haylo | kaneda^: it uses the mirror you specify, and has functions to add mirrors into the final image as well. |
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| 14:28.56 | kaneda^ | haylo, i've added them to the final image i think, but not the initial install |
| 14:29.10 | kaneda^ | i dont see where to configure the list it uses, so i assumed it used my current sources |
| 14:29.32 | haylo | if you do not specify a mirror, the older live-build defaults to ftp.de which is in europe. the new lb (3.x) defaults to a revolving mirror that finds a nearby mirror fo ryou |
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| 14:30.01 | kaneda^ | blah, why doesnt it forget the mirror and use the sources in my /etc/apt? |
| 14:30.07 | haylo | kaneda^: what version of lb are you using ? lb --version |
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| 14:30.19 | kaneda^ | 3.0.1-1 |
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| 14:32.34 | haylo | ok that is the newer lb. you can see an example of how to use the mirror you want here http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#314 |
| 14:33.07 | kaneda^ | haylo, but this makes no sense, i have a list of repos i want it to use for to download packages into the chroot, not a mirror |
| 14:33.18 | kaneda^ | -for |
| 14:33.20 | haylo | I have not built anything for a while, but try that "--mirror-bootstrap" option |
| 14:33.27 | kaneda^ | it's not what i'm looking for |
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| 14:35.16 | haylo | kaneda^: debootstrap, which is the toold that it uses, accepts a singular mirror or repository adress to get its packages from. that is what that option in LB specifies |
| 14:35.32 | kaneda^ | well that's not what i want |
| 14:35.34 | haylo | to control what mirrors are used in the chroot stage, lb has options for that as well |
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| 14:35.40 | kaneda^ | i want it to use my current apt sources |
| 14:35.52 | kaneda^ | i dont want to select a mirror, i want it to basically clone the current sources |
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| 14:37.00 | haylo | kaneda^: join #debian-live on irc.oftc.net I am not a developer, and you seem reluctant to read the 3.x manual i posted |
| 14:37.11 | kaneda^ | haylo, i've been over it |
| 14:37.23 | kaneda^ | it has a --repositories flag, an --archive flag, and your mirror flag |
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| 14:37.36 | kaneda^ | none of these are good solutions, i'm better off dropping it in post-install hooks than following your advice |
| 14:37.43 | haylo | what you are talking about is possible. you can add multiple mirrors into the chroot, and use them all to draw different packages from, its all in there |
| 14:37.58 | kaneda^ | again, this isn't desirable |
| 14:38.12 | kaneda^ | their oftc chan is not active, btw |
| 14:38.47 | haylo | you can put mirrors in files like config/archives/sid.list.chroot |
| 14:39.27 | kaneda^ | already did this |
| 14:39.28 | haylo | there is no reason to make your own hooks. like I said, the method for doing what you say is laid out in the manual |
| 14:39.36 | kaneda^ | does not have an effect on the package download |
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| 14:39.57 | kaneda^ | and it's sid.list.binary no? |
| 14:40.04 | haylo | you have to pin the packages. if you want to control specifically what is installed in the chroot stage |
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| 14:40.24 | haylo | no, you can put many different files in config/archives/ |
| 14:40.28 | kaneda^ | i pinned them in antoher file, that's how i know they arent being downloaded, since the build fails when there's no good candidates |
| 14:40.40 | kaneda^ | haylo, i mean, is the extension for the chroot or for binary? |
| 14:40.48 | kaneda^ | in the guide it shows to use "sid.list.binary" |
| 14:41.41 | haylo | if you want them to be used in the chroot stage you need to add the .chroot suffix |
| 14:42.08 | kaneda^ | oh, doh |
| 14:42.10 | kaneda^ | that's probably why |
| 14:42.11 | haylo | niary stage is all about acting on the filesystem from outside of a chroot. modifying files and whatnot |
| 14:42.19 | haylo | binary* |
| 14:42.19 | kaneda^ | haylo, i wanted both |
| 14:42.28 | kaneda^ | i thought binary would also put it int he chroot |
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| 14:49.31 | anddam | thanks all |
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| 14:52.10 | PrinceAMD | how to check which /dev/sdx is ata6? |
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| 14:54.05 | kaste | PrinceAMD: probably lsblk? Not sure how you number ata6. If not try grepping dmesg |
| 14:55.02 | ChrisH | PrinceAMD: lshw -C disk or ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/ but none of those showed any ata on my box |
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| 14:57.55 | PrinceAMD | none of them shows my disk as ata |
| 14:58.13 | tremon | PrinceAMD: post your dmesg? |
| 14:58.45 | PrinceAMD | ok |
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| 15:00.04 | PrinceAMD | http://paste.debian.net/235/ (dmesg) |
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| 15:01.50 | g0to | hello there |
| 15:02.02 | tremon | there doesn't appear to be a disk connected to ata6, there is no mention of the link ever being up |
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| 15:03.01 | g0to | I'm trying to use the "umask=0022" option on mount but I get "error: unrecognized mount option "umask=0022"" everytime I try it |
| 15:03.43 | ChrisH | g0to: umask=022 is the one I would expect to be used. |
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| 15:03.45 | g0to | I'm passing the argument to Truecrypt, which passes it to mount with the -o option |
| 15:04.21 | PrinceAMD | tremon, so why the message, my kernel has ghosts? |
| 15:04.39 | g0to | ChrisH, still getting the same error "error: unrecognized mount option "umask=022" or missing value" |
| 15:04.42 | PrinceAMD | anyhow i have this machine on lone, maybe a disk was connected |
| 15:04.45 | tremon | PrinceAMD: in general, do dmesg|grep -A1 'ata[0-9].00: conf', then lookup the scsi id in the earlier mentioned /dev/disk/by-id |
| 15:04.51 | PrinceAMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.02 | tremon | it looks to me like the controller is acting up |
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| 15:06.03 | ChrisH | g0to: its umask not uNmask |
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| 15:06.30 | ChrisH | g0to: forget my last comment |
| 15:06.34 | g0to | ChrisH, ok |
| 15:06.48 | PrinceAMD | tremon, one of my disk does not show up in "dmesg|grep -A1 'ata[0-9].00: conf'" list |
| 15:07.22 | tremon | which one? |
| 15:08.04 | PrinceAMD | ah my bad, tremon it did show up, just that the grep did not show the name |
| 15:08.20 | tremon | ah, that's because dmesg isn't completely reliable in its ordering |
| 15:08.55 | tremon | the scsid for ata4 is scsi 3:0:0:0, but it's not directly following the ata4 configuration line |
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| 15:39.43 | nascentmind | Hi. When I do a schroot I get a "The directory does not exist inside the chroot". Should I create a directory inside for the user? |
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| 15:41.03 | kaneda^ | hey guys, what's the format of a .key file for GPG keys for apt? |
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| 15:41.18 | kaneda^ | is it just the key itself, like 886DDD89 <-- for tor |
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| 16:00.18 | pagios | how can i connect to my wpa2 wireless network from command line each time my system boots up? |
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| 16:02.53 | Nethox | pagios, wpa_supplicant with your own config file |
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| 16:04.57 | pagios | tried it..http://pastie.org/7718469 |
| 16:05.05 | pagios | Nethox: if i use wpa_cli it works |
| 16:06.16 | Nethox | pagios, and what's that paste then? |
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| 16:06.45 | pagios | its when trying to use wpa_supplicant |
| 16:06.51 | pagios | i only got it working from wpa_cli manually |
| 16:07.12 | Nethox | pagios, what wpa_supplicant options do you use? |
| 16:07.31 | pagios | sudo wpa_supplicant -iwlan3 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 16:08.36 | pagios | Nethox: ^^ |
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| 16:09.48 | Nethox | pagios, have you tried -Dnl80211 ? |
| 16:10.06 | pagios | sudo wpa_supplicant -iwlan3 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dnl80211 ?> |
| 16:10.29 | pagios | Nethox: Failed to initiate AP scan. |
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| 16:11.04 | Nethox | pagios, what driver are you using (kernel)? |
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| 16:11.39 | pagios | Nethox: how can i tel? |
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| 16:12.30 | Nethox | lsmod | grep mac80211 |
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| 16:13.06 | ruslan_gustomyas | exit |
| 16:13.08 | ruslan_gustomyas | logout |
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| 16:13.58 | Nethox | lspci | grep -i wireless |
| 16:13.58 | pagios | Nethox: cfg80211 156894 1 rtl8191su |
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| 16:14.52 | Nethox | pagios, try to change the ap_scan setting in wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 16:15.09 | pagios | to what? |
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| 16:15.41 | UserError1 | are there any super lightweight guis for wifi? |
| 16:15.46 | UserError1 | that means deps too ;) |
| 16:16.28 | Nethox | pagios, to 0, then to 2. I think the default is ap_scan=1 |
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| 16:18.29 | Nethox | pagios, increase the verbosity while you try. Anyways, you should search for specific info for this driver, I don't know it |
| 16:19.20 | katambui | hello everybody |
| 16:20.24 | Nethox | pagios, wpa_supplicant -Dnl80211,wext -d |
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| 16:20.51 | pagios | Nethox: weidly enough, wpa_cli works fine |
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| 16:22.40 | Nethox | pagios, if you change ap_scan, you may have to manually scan with iwconfig or iw |
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| 16:24.27 | Nethox | If everything fails, try doing it via /etc/network/interfaces and the ifup <interface> |
| 16:24.35 | Nethox | *and then |
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| 16:36.54 | zykotick9 | wheezy, fresh installed onto a eee 1000ha, after several successful logins with gnome3 (gnome-shell or classic, applies to both) i'm getting "Oh no! Something has gone wrong..." and can't login. I'm really wondering right now, where i can find more detailed information about what is going wrong? /var/log/Xorg.0.log has no EE lines, and ~/.xsession-errors doesn't seem (perhaps i'm missing the issue in both logs?) to have the cause. are there |
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| 16:45.34 | cirrus] | hi |
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| 16:46.51 | cirrus] | if I have 64-bit platform and I have to install packet X in i386 and it needs gcc-4.7:i386 then will it leave alone my gcc-4.7:amd64? |
| 16:46.53 | zykotick9 | UPDATE to above, dmesg was reporting segfaults for libmouse.so. removing ~/.config/dconf/user appears to correct the issue - but i guess changing touchpad settings will cause issue to return :( |
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| 16:47.40 | cirrus] | will amd64 version still run if I'll use it? |
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| 16:54.08 | ksuhku | cirrus], is that some proprietary crud? |
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| 16:54.59 | cirrus] | ksuhku, no, just Wine |
| 16:55.39 | somiaj | cirrus]: multiarch doesn't really work well with binaries, it is only set up so multiple libs can be installed at the same time |
| 16:55.47 | somiaj | cirrus]: what are you trying to compile with a 32bit compiler? |
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| 16:56.01 | ksuhku | ,v wine |
| 16:56.03 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
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| 16:56.19 | somiaj | cirrus]: as for wine, make a i386 chroot and compile it there. Then install the i386 binary produced |
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| 16:56.33 | cirrus] | somiaj, nothing. Wine needs to be installed in i386, and it requires gcc 4.7, but i386 |
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| 16:56.35 | somiaj | cirrus]: you can use pbuilder to automate this (though I usualyl just use debootstrap and create my own chroot) |
| 16:57.00 | cirrus] | and I ask, will gcc 4.7 in i386 overwrite my x64? |
| 16:57.19 | somiaj | cirrus]: why is your wine package requring gcc-4.7:i386, this is strange |
| 16:57.48 | cirrus] | I don't know |
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| 16:57.55 | cirrus] | it just asked for this dependency |
| 16:58.14 | ksuhku | cirrus], you might want to put your sources onto paste.debian.net |
| 16:58.20 | somiaj | cirrus]: are you using the debian wine package? |
| 16:58.22 | cirrus] | so everything will be fine? I will still have my gcc in amd64 |
| 16:58.31 | cirrus] | somiaj, yes, from repository |
| 16:58.43 | cirrus] | ksuhku, I don't have any sources |
| 16:58.45 | somiaj | I did notice that I have gcc-4.7-base:amd64 and i386 installed side by side, along with libgcc1:amd64 and i386 |
| 16:59.00 | cirrus] | so they don't collide? ok |
| 16:59.11 | somiaj | cirrus]: are you just saying 'apt-get install wine' -- you better have some sources else that won't even find a package named wine |
| 16:59.16 | ksuhku | the package manager will warn you in case they do |
| 16:59.25 | cirrus] | okay |
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| 16:59.28 | cirrus] | it didn't |
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| 17:00.47 | cirrus] | somiaj, when I installed wine by Synaptic, then it was showing up window "what to do in order to run Wine in i386", it asked me for adding i386 repo and installing wine:i386 |
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| 17:01.43 | somiaj | that is correct, wine is a i386 binary and you need multiarch to install it on wheezy |
| 17:02.46 | zykotick9 | installing the wine64-bin actually documents how to install wine with multiarch ;) |
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| 17:10.59 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:11.25 | DexterF | someone know a good visual diff tool? I need to spot the differences in two really long xml config files |
| 17:11.49 | somiaj | DexterF: why doesn't diff work? |
| 17:12.26 | DexterF | somiaj: I'm not good with reading what diff says |
| 17:13.13 | somiaj | I see a package called xmldiff |
| 17:13.18 | somiaj | maybe that would work |
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| 17:14.38 | franksNbeans | leave |
| 17:14.38 | DexterF | hmm! |
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| 17:14.49 | DexterF | franksNbeans: no. |
| 17:15.11 | somiaj | DexterF: I also see as graphical diff programs, diffuse and fldiff |
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| 17:18.28 | ksuhku | DexterF, I sometimes use xxdiff |
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| 17:19.26 | DexterF | diffuse is good, i think |
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| 17:35.13 | jebb | has any one been able to install debian on a tablet? If so dose any one know of good documentation on it? |
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| 17:36.59 | pigeonaras | gh |
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| 17:39.08 | haylo | jesk: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
| 17:39.20 | haylo | er sorry jesk |
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| 17:45.50 | waynr | is there a recommended way to get python2.7 installed in debian squeeze? |
| 17:48.10 | somiaj | ,v python2.7 |
| 17:48.11 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6; sid: 2.7.3-8; experimental: 2.7.4-2 |
| 17:48.18 | somiaj | ,check-backport python2.7 |
| 17:48.23 | judd | Backporting package python2.7 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtinfo-dev, libexpat1-dev (>= 2.1), libdb5.1-dev. |
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| 17:48.58 | somiaj | waynr: what do you need python2.7 for. You could try to build your own package, but that last output shows that you are gonna have to backport a lot of libaries to build it |
| 17:49.20 | somiaj | waynr: you could run python2.7 inside a wheezy chroot (if you only need it for testing or just here and there) |
| 17:50.05 | waynr | somiaj: i am writing unittests for a project that requires certain features of unittest not available in 2.6.6 |
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| 17:50.24 | somiaj | ,v python2.6 |
| 17:50.25 | judd | Package: python2.6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; sid: 2.6.8-1.1; wheezy: 2.6.8-1.1 |
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| 17:50.41 | somiaj | waynr: does it have to be 2.7 or would 2.6.8 work? |
| 17:50.50 | waynr | i suppose i could upgrade to wheezy but i am leaving this job next month |
| 17:50.52 | somiaj | ,check-backport python2.6 |
| 17:50.57 | judd | Backporting package python2.6 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtinfo-dev, libdb5.1-dev. |
| 17:50.57 | waynr | it has to be 2.7 |
| 17:51.20 | somiaj | waynr: you could use debootstrap to create a wheezy choort (fairly easy to do), and then install python2.7 inside that chroot |
| 17:51.36 | somiaj | waynr: you can run/test and use python that way with out having to install wheezy on the system. |
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| 17:51.42 | johnlock | hey |
| 17:51.50 | johnlock | what version of gnome will wheezy have |
| 17:51.55 | somiaj | ,v gnome |
| 17:51.57 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.4+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7 |
| 17:52.03 | somiaj | johnlock: 3.4 |
| 17:52.13 | waynr | thanks somiaj i was just hoping it would be simpler than that :( i have a tarball'd wheezy chroot that should work |
| 17:52.23 | johnlock | hmm |
| 17:52.28 | johnlock | so wheezy will become "stable" ? |
| 17:52.35 | somiaj | waynr: I guess I don't se chroots as complicated |
| 17:53.08 | waynr | somiaj: they aren't, but it complicates my workflow |
| 17:53.15 | somiaj | johnlock: it has been frozen for over a year and if you would have read the /topic you see it's release is about 10 days away |
| 17:53.27 | johnlock | I know that |
| 17:53.37 | johnlock | but you still didn't answer my question |
| 17:54.00 | somiaj | johnlock: yes when wheezy is released it will be considered the stable release, and squeeze will become oldstable, and jessi will become testing |
| 17:54.21 | johnlock | ok |
| 17:54.26 | johnlock | kind of sad |
| 17:54.28 | johnlock | <3 squeeze |
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| 17:54.51 | johnlock | not a big fan of gnome 3.4 either |
| 17:55.01 | johnlock | scroll to the left, then to the right for dash |
| 17:55.12 | johnlock | weird |
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| 17:55.51 | somiaj | well squeeze will be supported for another year, and then you are free to use squeeze as long as you like, the binaries will even still be available on archive.debian.org after that |
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| 17:59.00 | johnlock | somiaj, will there be any changes from the wheezy that's currently available compared to the release in 10 days |
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| 17:59.09 | EmleyMoor | Gnome 3.4 has grown on me |
| 17:59.46 | dondelelcaro | johnlock: yes |
| 17:59.48 | EmleyMoor | There's been one bad change already - though reportedly it's going to be reverted in 7.0.1 |
| 18:00.11 | EmleyMoor | (until then, I'll cope) |
| 18:00.14 | johnlock | what will the changes be ? |
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| 18:01.27 | dondelelcaro | johnlock: presumably bug fixes. |
| 18:01.49 | dondelelcaro | johnlock: if you really care, you can watch the unblock requests and responses in debian-release@lists.debian.org |
| 18:01.56 | Sevet | EmleyMoor: what change? |
| 18:02.18 | johnlock | I think the gnome team needs to get off the crack pipe tho |
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| 18:07.35 | useless-eater | when will jessie be testing, and wheezy stable? |
| 18:07.54 | mtn | useless-eater: read the topic |
| 18:07.56 | jordanm | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 18:07.56 | dpkg | ! blubberdiblub=2013-04-07 lisandro=2013-04-26 enrico=2013-03-25 madamezou=2013-04-01 5ynrg=2013-04-26 shirish=2013-05-15 LtL=2013-05-21 rizlah=2013-01-02 bolt=2013-04-01 TCW=2013-02-17 bab1len=2013-05-04 cousin_luigi=2013-01-14 tremon=2013-01-26 je11y=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 m1|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 s1monr7n=2013-03-23 themi11=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 18:08.20 | useless-eater | ohh:) thanks |
| 18:08.21 | daemonkeeper | wonders if he can still add his guess to the pool :p |
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| 18:08.49 | EmleyMoor | Star Wars weekend |
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| 18:12.26 | ashka | hello there, what is going on with the packages website ? |
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| 18:13.00 | sparadokos | Star Wars Rocks! |
| 18:13.18 | ChibaPet | ashka: Not sure what you're referring to, but it worked for me an hour or so ago. |
| 18:13.27 | ashka | ChibaPet: about packages.debian.org |
| 18:13.31 | ashka | it is slow as hell for me |
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| 18:13.49 | ChibaPet | Yeah, seeing that too now. It came right up when I used it earlier. This is something new. |
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| 18:17.05 | abrotman | useless-eater: roughly May 5th |
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| 18:21.00 | jhutchins_wk | Looks like babilen's got it. |
| 18:21.43 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: got what? |
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| 18:21.57 | babilen | ah .. the release date :-D |
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| 18:32.57 | Trewas | it will be interesting to see if they'll make some changes to the release process for jessie, 10 month freeze is a tad too long |
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| 18:34.24 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: the real holdup to the freeze is RC bugs |
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| 18:34.45 | dondelelcaro | so while it would be nice to release faster, RC bugs need to be fixed. |
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| 18:35.33 | MO_Handes | I'm on Wheezy and I just want to install a single package from squeeze-backports, what is the best way to make it not to affect other packages and repositories |
| 18:35.35 | MO_Handes | ? |
| 18:36.14 | dondelelcaro | MO_Handes: you can just add a squeeze-backports line to your sources.list and install |
| 18:36.25 | sparadokos | MO_Handes: try adding a line in source with squeeze-backports, update, install then remove the line |
| 18:36.35 | dondelelcaro | you don't need to remove the line |
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| 18:37.21 | abrotman | wait .. what? |
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| 18:37.33 | abrotman | squeeze backports are made from wheezy sources? |
| 18:37.36 | abrotman | right? |
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| 18:37.40 | dondelelcaro | in general, yes |
| 18:37.47 | dondelelcaro | however, sometimes the packages are removed from wheezy |
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| 18:38.06 | dondelelcaro | (not sure if that's the case here, though) |
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| 18:38.27 | dondelelcaro | (sometimes during freeze people will also upload stuff to -backports which isn't in wheezy) |
| 18:39.00 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: sure, but that requirement could be changed... or the freeze made in stages or whatnot so that the development doesn't have to stop completely |
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| 18:39.12 | MO_Handes | the package is "youtube-dl" |
| 18:39.20 | Eax | Hey there - Just installed the latest stable on my netbook, can true that it is running 2.6.32-5? If so, how can I upgrade? I need to go to 2.6.32-18 in order to get support for my wireless network card. |
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| 18:39.46 | sparadokos | why not install from sid? |
| 18:39.51 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: that requirement isn't going to change; releasing something with RC bugs isn't acceptable |
| 18:40.11 | dondelelcaro | or at least, releasing something with RC bugs that we aren't comfortable with fixing in point releases isn't acceptable |
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| 18:40.19 | UserError1 | when using apt-build world, where can i config which GCC to use, and where to enter the compile flags like -O2 / -Os , etc |
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| 18:43.18 | abrotman | Eax: where did you get the second value ? |
| 18:43.39 | Eax | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta :) My card is: RT3090 |
| 18:44.10 | Eax | Hm, I think it's actually 2.6.33-34 |
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| 18:48.00 | DexterF | is there any 3.8 kernel package for any version of debian? in experimental perhaps? packages.d.o does not list anything |
| 18:48.12 | DexterF | search oops, my fault.. |
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| 18:54.12 | franco00 | I just discovered that if I: (1) fire X up, (2) press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a terminal (3) log in there (4) go back to X (C-M-F7) (5) close laptop lid (6) reopen it. Well, after all that I am prompted to insert a password, but I can just press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and get to a terminal without password! Call me naive, but I would like to avoid that (as I sometimes just close my laptop lid and leave it unattended). What should I do? Maybe avoiding to use C-M-Fx to |
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| 18:55.15 | somiaj | franco00: there is a way to turn that off, but I don't think you can only turn it off when the screensaver is on |
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| 18:56.24 | franco00 | somiaj: that would be a solution , so I am all ears |
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| 18:57.14 | somiaj | franco00: option "DontVTSwitch" -- using that option in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf will disable that feature completely |
| 18:57.21 | somiaj | I don't think you can disable it sometimes and not others though |
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| 18:57.46 | franco00 | well, that will do, thanks! |
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| 19:04.03 | UserError1 | is wpa_gui not included with wpasupplicant? |
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| 19:09.49 | con571 | Im experiencing some adsl problems and overall slow connectivity. Can you recommend a tool that help me troubleshoot ? |
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| 19:10.01 | ronny | hi |
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| 19:10.18 | ronny | anyone got an idea on how to compile a recent version of geary on debian? |
| 19:10.36 | ronny | (i get loads of missing gir modules wrt glib, gio, xlib, ...) |
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| 19:25.04 | msl09 | ronny, do you have build-essentials? |
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| 19:25.21 | ronny | msl09, yes, i have everything but some gir things |
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| 19:25.49 | msl09 | ronny, then I don't know how to help :) |
| 19:26.37 | anyasa | hello ... |
| 19:26.45 | Eax | Hey there - Just installed the latest stable on my netbook, can true that it is running 2.6.32-5? If so, how can I upgrade? I need to go to 2.6.33.34 in order to get support for my wireless network card. - Anyone got any ideas? :) |
| 19:27.19 | ksuhku | UserError1, apt-file list wpasupplicant or just dpkg -L wpasupplicant if you have it installed |
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| 19:29.47 | UserError1 | neat, didn't know about apt-file |
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| 19:30.58 | msl09 | ronny, if you have can download from the experimental repository you could try issuing an apt-get build-dep geary |
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| 19:33.43 | msl09 | Eax, you can usually know what kernel you are using from the option you choose to boot in. You can also check it with $ dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 19:33.48 | ksuhku | UserError1, live and learn they say :) |
| 19:33.49 | UserError1 | lame, debian packages don't bundle with wpa_gui |
| 19:33.56 | UserError1 | just wpa_cli |
| 19:34.10 | UserError1 | not bad though, in repos |
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| 19:34.27 | ksuhku | UserError1, try to do it with the cli only, it's pretty funny and geeky |
| 19:34.45 | Eax | msl09: I am running 2.6.32-5, it just seems to be VERY old (we are at 3.8 currently, right?) |
| 19:34.45 | UserError1 | i'll prob try that and just make a python frontend |
| 19:35.13 | UserError1 | Eax, is that kernel even supported anymore? |
| 19:35.18 | KsM | yes |
| 19:35.19 | msl09 | Eax, some of us :) |
| 19:35.23 | UserError1 | i thought oldest was, 3.0.49~ |
| 19:35.31 | UserError1 | for support |
| 19:35.45 | Eax | I just downlaoded this image the other day, is why i am wondering |
| 19:35.47 | KsM | it's stable, and longterm, and version numbers don't really mean anything in terms of age |
| 19:35.53 | Eax | What's the "default" kernel for stable atm? |
| 19:35.54 | KsM | they just went into a fast release cycle |
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| 19:37.43 | esaym153 | what do I need to do to make a folder in linux so that every file created in that folder will have the same owner and group permission settings? |
| 19:37.57 | Eax | KsM: can I upgrade it in any easy way? |
| 19:38.09 | Eax | (apt-get upgrade didn't work :P) |
| 19:38.31 | msl09 | Eax, try using the backport |
| 19:38.38 | msl09 | Eax, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 19:39.01 | KsM | wait for wheezy and get 3.2, backports, compile your own |
| 19:39.01 | Eax | Thanks msl09 :) |
| 19:39.12 | KsM | /shrug |
| 19:40.30 | ksuhku | esaym153, I don't think it works like that |
| 19:40.39 | esaym153 | darn |
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| 19:40.52 | Towzzer | if you have problems with permissions, set the sticky bit |
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| 19:42.50 | ksuhku | esaym153, perhaps that could be done using SELinux or some similar MAC |
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| 19:43.41 | esaym153 | Towzzer: sgid bit is usually just for setting the group name that the file will be created under |
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| 19:46.31 | e-anima | i installed gnome in my virtualbox but somehow gnome is slow i dont get any ideas? |
| 19:47.10 | UserError1 | try XFCE, E17, OpenBox, LXDE |
| 19:47.17 | e-anima | i mean in another vm virtualbox i installed everything manually and its finde. this time i used the installer with sekecting websever, mysql |
| 19:47.29 | UserError1 | package bloat |
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| 19:47.58 | e-anima | so i should remove stuff |
| 19:48.03 | e-anima | or better reinstal leverything? |
| 19:48.06 | UserError1 | that's up to you |
| 19:48.07 | UserError1 | :P |
| 19:48.14 | UserError1 | virtualbox is a horrible indicator of speed |
| 19:48.15 | UserError1 | though |
| 19:48.22 | e-anima | hehe |
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| 19:48.37 | e-anima | do you know any better vms? |
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| 19:49.11 | UserError1 | nope |
| 19:49.18 | Vicissitude | qemu, definitely |
| 19:49.22 | UserError1 | :P |
| 19:49.50 | BJFreeman | NOOB how can I open a tty from the cli |
| 19:49.59 | UserError1 | anyone here familiar with apt-build ? |
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| 19:51.08 | ksuhku | BJFreeman, try openvt, possibly needs you to be in a VT |
| 19:51.40 | BJFreeman | thanks |
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| 19:55.23 | e-anima | how can i "fix" the "Rebuilding seach index" message on the right top of synaptic? |
| 19:55.32 | e-anima | i want to search, ist not indexing |
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| 20:00.25 | ksuhku | e-anima, you what? |
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| 20:01.12 | e-anima | forgte the question. i just killed everything. now i am going to manually install stuff. the installer is not so good as i see. bad idea using it in a vm |
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| 20:10.36 | b0rsuk | hello, `cat ./.inputrc` prints contents of the file. But when I do `cp ./.inputrc .;ll` I don't see this file. Why ? I created it as a text file, not symlink. |
| 20:10.46 | b0rsuk | Or some other dark magic. |
| 20:11.37 | b0rsuk | NEvermind, I'm stoopid. The file is hidden. |
| 20:11.48 | DexterF | duh :) |
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| 20:12.33 | DexterF | how can I compile modules for another installed kernel that is not running right now? (specifically liplianin DVB drivers, if someone happen to know) |
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| 20:15.27 | acu | what is the link for the Wheezy install CD which has the non-free firmware in it (I know is unnoficial something) - so it has full installer + non-free firmware in the same CD -- I have a new Toshiba Laptop with some network cards and others which need off -the bat non-free |
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| 20:17.14 | Arrowmaster | acu: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 20:17.47 | jhutchins_wk | BJFreeman: bash? |
| 20:17.49 | Arrowmaster | acu: if your new toshiba laptop has the same atheros ethernet chip as mine it wont help though |
| 20:17.49 | acu | Arrowmaster, thanks, I always forget this link :) |
| 20:18.10 | acu | Yes it has a AR8161 |
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| 20:18.32 | jhutchins_wk | BJFreeman: chvt? |
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| 20:18.34 | acu | Arrowmaster, what is yours ? |
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| 20:18.59 | Arrowmaster | AR8162 |
| 20:19.09 | acu | Arrowmaster: it may be same |
| 20:19.12 | acu | what did you do ? |
| 20:19.27 | Arrowmaster | nothing, it just doesnt work in wheezy |
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| 20:19.37 | Arrowmaster | wireless is fine though |
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| 20:19.51 | jhutchins_wk | b0rsuk: You're also copying the file to itself. |
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| 20:20.39 | Hello2 | Hello! :) |
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| 20:21.02 | acu | it is an RRL 8723AE |
| 20:21.04 | acu | Arrowmaster: did you enabled it righ of the bat ? |
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| 20:22.01 | Arrowmaster | acu: the wireless? mine has a RTL8188CE for wireless that works fine in wheezy with firmware |
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| 20:22.46 | acu | Arrowmaster: did you install it through wirelless ? |
| 20:22.51 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:22.58 | Arrowmaster | netinstall over wifi |
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| 20:23.35 | Arrowmaster | that AR8162 needs a kernel driver that either hasnt made it into mainline yet or just recently did, i know i read something about debian starting to work on support for it |
| 20:23.55 | malibu_ | Hi there.. I was wondering if anyone could recommend which way I go. I need a headless torrent client with a very good webui or remote interface. I usually use deluge for this. I also really want to use Debian because it seems to work the best on my ESX server. Wheezy only has deluge 1.3.2 which doesn't support magnet links. I need at least deluge 1.3.4. So.... What is the easiest thing for me to do. |
| 20:24.22 | acu | is there any driver for the ATHEROS, can you compile the driver ? is any at the manufacturer ? |
| 20:24.39 | nevyn | !atheros |
| 20:24.40 | dpkg | Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath9k>, <ath5k>. For USB WiFi support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1c>, <alx>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 20:24.50 | Arrowmaster | you can compile it, its the alx one |
| 20:25.02 | ksuhku | malibu_, what about transmission? |
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| 20:25.37 | malibu_ | krushu: I've tried transmission before, btu I didn't recall it having a good webui |
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| 20:27.12 | malibu_ | ksuhku: I think it only runs in gnome and can't go headless so it won't work for me |
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| 20:28.12 | KsM | transmission can run as a daemon |
| 20:28.36 | ksuhku | malibu_, there's cli version for sure |
| 20:29.01 | malibu_ | Yeah actually it looks like a headless webui is possible. I'll look into that thanks |
| 20:29.08 | ksuhku | don't use the web interface so can't comment on how good it might be |
| 20:30.07 | tremon | malibu_: transmission is used on many embedded devices (routers), it can sure run headless |
| 20:30.27 | tremon | I don't use the webinterface either, transmission-remote does what I need |
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| 20:31.02 | ftoledo | any way to pressed with debian-installer-launcher? |
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| 20:33.37 | KsM | hm, question out of curiousity: windows apparently deletes files by just removing them from the reference (inode?) table, when you "rm" on Linux, it actually writes over the files with 0s or does it just do similar to windows? |
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| 20:34.53 | tremon | KsM: same |
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| 20:44.43 | Aha3Y | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'St9bad_alloc' |
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| 20:44.47 | Aha3Y | Solution? |
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| 20:53.57 | jhutchins_wk | KsM: Windows deletes files by writing a special character over the first character of the filename in the FAT (or equiv). |
| 20:55.29 | jhutchins_wk | KsM: Ext3 does a more thorough job. There is some discussion here: http://linux.sys-con.com/node/117909 |
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| 20:55.41 | jhutchins_wk | KsM: The actual process varies by filesystem. |
| 20:56.48 | jhutchins_wk | KsM: So in ext the data is still on the disk, but it's much harder to find all of it and link it in the correct order. |
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| 20:57.54 | e-anima | hm how do i get my gnome console back in black. white is not so good to read |
| 20:58.43 | e-anima | ah i nthe profile i see |
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| 20:59.33 | beardy | I think there's several profiles to choose from yes, unless you want to set all colours manually. "Linux colours" is the one you might want IIRC. |
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| 21:36.34 | bender87 | I need to uninstall gnome, can someone link me to or give me a list of all the packages that come with it in 6.0.6 or tell me an easy way to uninstall it? |
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| 21:40.07 | nipsy | tasksel maybe? |
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| 21:47.05 | petn-randall | bender87: I'd use aptitude for that. Start it, then open a flat package list, press 'l' and search for ~ignome |
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| 21:47.55 | petn-randall | bender87: This show you all installed packages which contain gnome in their name. You can then mark them for uninstalling with minus. |
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| 21:48.09 | rwp | bender87, I would get a package list 'dpkg -l | grep gnome' and remove them. Also 'apt-get autoremove' is useful. |
| 21:48.46 | bender87 | k |
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| 21:48.59 | bender87 | I am more familiar with pacman and arch or redhat and yum |
| 21:49.03 | bender87 | hence why I asked |
| 21:49.05 | bender87 | thanks guys |
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| 21:49.25 | bender87 | randall, I prefer to work in the shell |
| 21:49.38 | rwp | bender87, APT has the idea of automatically installed packages versus installed only due to dependencies. |
| 21:49.46 | petn-randall | bender87: aptitude is a ncurses interfaces, apt-get is command line. |
| 21:49.53 | bender87 | oh cool |
| 21:50.06 | rwp | bender87, If you remove the top thing that pulled in everything else then 'apt-get autoremove' will offer for removal all of the dependent packages that are orphans. |
| 21:50.07 | bender87 | did not realize apt had a ncurses interface |
| 21:50.08 | petn-randall | bender87: check out the man page of both, I guess you'll get a grip. |
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| 21:50.38 | bender87 | you guys are awesome thanks. sorry randall for misunderstanding your advice |
| 21:50.39 | duffduff | hi, I tried to install a package I had on my system which failed due to missing dependencies and now everytime I try to install a new package I get a " libqt4-webkit:i386 : Depends: libphonon4:i386 (>= 4:4.6.0) but it is not going to be installed or" any idea how to fix this? it tells me to run apt-get install -f, but I don't want to risk messing the system |
| 21:50.45 | rwp | bender87, dselect is old and obsolete. apt-get is command line and fast. aptitude is curses based and notably slow. |
| 21:51.14 | petn-randall | duffduff: Run apt-get install -f. |
| 21:51.15 | Nurbs | I am having trouble setting up NFSv4 with Kerberos authentication on sid. mount always hangs once I add sec=krb5 to an export. There are similar reports for NFSv4 with Kerberos in Debian's BTS, but the solutions (up- and downgrading) didn't help me. I have collected some logs and further information: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bb08379b/ |
| 21:51.28 | bender87 | I still plan to do it your way, I just wanted to apologize for assuming the wrong thing from randall's advice. |
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| 21:51.56 | petn-randall | bender87: No problem, both tools do the job, whatever meets your taste. :) |
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| 21:52.29 | Nurbs | Any suggestions on debugging my issue further? I was so far unable to extract even a relevant warning |
| 21:52.52 | duffduff | thanks petn. That was easy...sigh. |
| 21:53.16 | petn-randall | duffduff: :) |
| 21:54.16 | petn-randall | Nurbs: Does your nfs mount work without Kerberos? |
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| 21:55.14 | Nurbs | petn-randall: Yes, just adding sec=krb5 breaks it. |
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| 21:55.27 | petn-randall | Nurbs: I'd set it up that it works without first, .... oh, ok. |
| 21:56.04 | petn-randall | Nurbs: Then I'm out of ideas, haven't used Kerberos before. But just wait a little, probably someone else will wake up and have an answer for you :) |
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| 21:56.14 | Nurbs | petn-randall: Authenticating users through Kerberos works, too, so the point of failure is not that clear to me (without intricate knowledge of NFS's components) |
| 21:56.41 | Nurbs | I'll give the linux-nfs list a try if this does not work out :) |
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| 21:57.05 | ompaul | Nurbs: what does wireshark say? |
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| 21:57.56 | ompaul | Nurbs: it's more a something else to look at - I used to find that tcpdumped nastyograms were useful when I did things that didn't work (don't use that at all so I'm not going to be of any specific use) |
| 21:58.11 | Nurbs | ompaul: Ah, good idea, I'm checking. |
| 21:58.31 | ompaul | s/that/krb |
| 21:59.04 | ompaul | Nurbs: have you smb in the mix also? |
| 21:59.24 | ompaul | Nurbs: it might be worth seeing if it has its own failures |
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| 22:00.52 | ompaul | Nurbs: also have a look in your configs for some kind of "checksum nasties" where something is looking for a number it doesn't get and falls over rather than reporting and then gracefully closing |
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| 22:02.31 | bender87 | how can I increase the amount of lines I can scroll up in bash? |
| 22:02.49 | bender87 | isn't it the buffer size? |
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| 22:03.09 | ompaul | bender87: it is in new terminals |
| 22:03.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah the terminal controls that, not the shell |
| 22:03.32 | ompaul | bender87: but it may also have something to do with if you are running an xterm or some kind of DE console |
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| 22:03.50 | bender87 | I am running in the shell |
| 22:03.51 | bender87 | not a term |
| 22:04.16 | bender87 | and this vm is on an fenced vapp, so I can't ssh in and use cygwin like I usually do |
| 22:04.36 | ompaul | bender87: vm on a fenced vapp - as clear as mud |
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| 22:05.05 | bender87 | sorry I didn't explain ti well |
| 22:05.11 | bender87 | it's on an isolated network |
| 22:05.48 | ompaul | bender87: <not so serious voice> so my telepathy says you are using csh on kfreebsd - I wasn't in school the day they did telepathy does it show? ;-) |
| 22:06.22 | ompaul | nudges bender87 into saying shell type and terminal being exported |
| 22:06.36 | bender87 | ompaul: I am using the default shell that is installed with debian 6 |
| 22:06.52 | bender87 | I assume bash because there's a .bashrc file |
| 22:07.10 | ompaul | env says what |
| 22:07.19 | ompaul | you might want to use | less with that |
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| 22:09.17 | ompaul | bender87: are you on a debian box logging into a debian box yes or no? |
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| 22:09.41 | bender87 | I am on windows |
| 22:09.45 | bender87 | using director |
| 22:09.52 | bender87 | to login to a vm |
| 22:09.54 | bender87 | so essentially |
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| 22:10.02 | ompaul | bender87: then ask those who support director how it works to give you scrolling |
| 22:10.18 | bender87 | it'd be like if I installed debian on a computer at my house with no desktop |
| 22:10.21 | bender87 | environment |
| 22:10.27 | bender87 | and logged in after it booted up |
| 22:10.32 | bender87 | director has nothing to do with it |
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| 22:11.28 | ompaul | The scrollback buffer is not a feature of bash but of the terminal program. |
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| 22:13.09 | ompaul | bender87: is that tivioli director or soemthing else |
| 22:13.23 | ompaul | bender87: or is it citrix |
| 22:13.36 | bender87 | vmware director |
| 22:13.42 | bender87 | it's a fully virtualized appliance |
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| 22:13.51 | bender87 | so it's bare metal |
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| 22:15.08 | petn-randall | bender87: And you can't scroll up with shift + pgup? |
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| 22:16.04 | ompaul | petn-randall: the split got him |
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| 22:16.15 | UserError1 | i'm having some issues with wpa_supplicant |
| 22:16.18 | KsM | rip in peace |
| 22:16.35 | ompaul | petn-randall: basically if he ain't using an ssh -X and pulling it out that way he can't have this ime http://scarygliders.net/2011/12/01/customize-xterm-the-original-and-best-terminal/ |
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| 22:16.57 | ompaul | petn-randall: I have no idea how that thing works - nor what he got for a terminal but then that's what he has to work out |
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| 22:17.16 | bender87 | yes |
| 22:17.22 | bender87 | shift + pgup |
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| 22:17.32 | Nurbs | It seems that I am getting a SETCLIENTID_CONFIRM reply with status NFS4ERR_WRONGSEC, followed by a SETCLIENTID call but no reply. There might a problem. Maybe I should look into the algorithm selection for NFSv4 |
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| 22:17.38 | bender87 | I use that to scroll but it only goes up like 50 lines or so |
| 22:18.18 | glock_ | !dpgk |
| 22:19.03 | ompaul | bender87: see my comment about that web page - if you are not running an Xterm exported you will not be getting much help it is the terminal that does the work not the shell |
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| 22:25.20 | ksuhku | glock_, /msg dpkg lalalaa |
| 22:27.00 | rainfyre | hey all. Running 64 bit wheezy and am having multilib issues since I installed Skype. What's the quick and dirty way to uninstall all my 32 bit libraries? |
| 22:27.08 | UserError1 | i am getting an error |
| 22:27.09 | UserError1 | wpa_passphrase command not found |
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| 22:38.27 | smw | rainfyre, sudo dpkg -l | grep i386 might help to start with |
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| 22:39.59 | smw | rainfyre, I would try something like: apt-get remove $(sudo dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | egrep ':i386$') |
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| 22:41.42 | smw | hm, maybe xargs would be better... |
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| 22:53.22 | rainfyre | smw: thanks! |
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| 22:58.36 | Chelsea | Just a question out in the wild... aside from Unity, why would (lots of) people prefer Ubuntu 13.04 over Wheezy for desktop use? |
| 23:00.20 | et | well, unity would be a reason to prefer wheezy ;) |
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| 23:01.38 | Guest90018 | Anyone here? |
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| 23:02.31 | petn-randall | Guest90018: No, it's just me, the bot. |
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| 23:06.56 | rainfyre | smw: that did it. |
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| 23:07.22 | smw | rainfyre, nice |
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| 23:10.23 | Guest90018 | Would anyone like to point me to a tutorial on how to set up a shared internet connection for Debian Squeeze. I've got to the point where I can connect to the Internet through my wireless router but when I connect the wired adapter the Internet drops out. |
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| 23:11.23 | Guest90018 | I'm set up using Gnome and configured the network manager to manage the connections if that helps any. |
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| 23:11.38 | Towzzer | http://lorenzod8n.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/very-simple-nat-set-up-on-debian/ |
| 23:11.43 | Towzzer | guest90018 |
| 23:11.58 | Guest90018 | Thank you so much |
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| 23:30.08 | plotino | hello everybody |
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| 23:32.32 | Nurbs | I really need to set up distributed compilation or build my kernels on a faster machine. I almost forgot how slow this is on one core. |
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| 23:33.46 | Guest90018 | Distributed compilation? That's an interesting concept. |
| 23:33.55 | nevyn | ccache |
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| 23:34.57 | nevyn | hrm doesn't help if it's not built maybe it's distcc I'm thinking of. |
| 23:35.26 | nevyn | yeah this looks better... |
| 23:35.29 | nevyn | Nurbs: https://code.google.com/p/distcc/ |
| 23:35.39 | Nurbs | nevyn: I know, thanks. :-) |
| 23:36.06 | Nurbs | 4x3.6 GHz on an i7 vs. 1x2.5 GHz on a P4 is quite a difference. Before the next run I will add distcc in the mix or just build on the faster machine |
| 23:36.17 | Azrathud | How long does it take for a package to be put in debian/stable? (e.g. python 2.7) |
| 23:37.17 | plotino | i m would like to install mldonkey on a NAS |
| 23:37.27 | plotino | the NAS it's snake oos |
| 23:37.36 | plotino | but it seems not an easy task |
| 23:37.51 | plotino | do you recommend to do it via debian chroot? |
| 23:38.17 | Nurbs | Azrathud: It'll have to be uploaded to unstable, move into testing and then a release needs to be made for it to become stable. Given that Python 2.7 is in testing already, you'll just need to wait for the "wheezy" release. |
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| 23:38.48 | nevyn | which should be rsn |
| 23:39.25 | Nurbs | Hopefully :-) New releases always lead to even newer software in unstable... ;-) |
| 23:41.00 | Nurbs | The first machine that I ran Linux on, a 386SX at 25 MHz, was faster at compiling the kernels (of that time). *sigh* |
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| 23:42.05 | plotino | anybody has experience about mldonkey on NAS? |
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| 23:42.43 | Guest90018 | Sorry, I don't |
| 23:43.08 | Guest90018 | I'm new to Linux though |
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| 23:44.06 | jude0_ | X11 question: does anyone know how to start new xsession without switching to it? If not, is there scriptable command to switch back to the first xsession? |
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| 23:44.13 | Towzzer | I once went to an mldonkey show in mexico |
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| 23:50.40 | Linuturk | so, if I install squeeze, dist-upgrade to testing, I'll basically have wheezy minus any updates between then and now? |
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| 23:51.10 | Vicissitude | why not just wait about 10 days for wheezy? |
| 23:51.24 | Linuturk | I'm ready to get rid of the abortion that is unity |
| 23:51.37 | Linuturk | (this is a laptop) |
| 23:52.08 | rainfyre | Linuturk: you might want to dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 23:52.35 | Linuturk | go stable, and then dist-upgrade when wheezy is officially released? |
| 23:53.10 | Linuturk | that makes sense |
| 23:56.32 | Guest90018 | I went through the tutorial on "Very simple NAT set-up" and changed the iptables configuration. I changed the devices and addresses to line up with my system and I get errors like "unrecognized command" |
| 23:56.33 | rainfyre | Linuturk: then let things settle down a bit before you start tracking testing |
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| 23:57.05 | Guest90018 | Is there something I need to set up ahead of this? |
| 23:58.22 | Guest90018 | It looks like it is parsing the script but doesn't understand the commands |
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| 23:59.58 | Guest90018 | Also the internet connection on wlan0 is hosed |