| 00:02.05 | Linuturk | there are several spins of debian (gnome, xfce, lxde) how hard is it to install them all together? |
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| 00:04.45 | Arrowmaster | Linuturk: simple, you just install the different tasks |
| 00:05.22 | Linuturk | tasksel ? is that the command? Arrowmaster |
| 00:05.30 | Arrowmaster | aptitude install task-gnome-desktop task-kde-desktop task-xfce-desktop task-lxde-desktop |
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| 00:05.41 | Linuturk | ah |
| 00:05.49 | Linuturk | so, apt-get vs aptitude ? |
| 00:05.51 | Arrowmaster | assuming you are on wheezy they show up as packages |
| 00:06.03 | Linuturk | I've been trying to figure out which one is preferred? |
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| 00:06.10 | Arrowmaster | use aptitude |
| 00:07.11 | Arrowmaster | only time apt-get is preferred is when aptitudes dependency resolver gets confused |
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| 00:10.57 | elvis4526 | gnome 3.8 from experimental don't allow me to search file through shell |
| 00:10.59 | Nurbs | petn-randall: It seems that I've solved my problem by downgrading to Linux 3.8.8. There have been numerous possibly related changes leading to 3.9-rc7. I might try a bisect another day to find the exact cause. |
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| 00:41.22 | stmiller | http://packages.debian.org/ down? |
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| 00:47.09 | claw | stmiller, here too |
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| 00:51.16 | Maelstrom_ | SEED |
| 00:51.34 | KsM | ROOT |
| 00:52.19 | Maelstrom_ | root? |
| 00:52.35 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 00:53.31 | Maelstrom_ | bitcoin folks are launching a doss atck |
| 00:54.13 | KsM | on what |
| 00:54.50 | Quix86 | oh gosh a doss attack sounds terrible |
| 00:54.59 | Quix86 | we'll have to mine buttcoins with floppies |
| 00:55.03 | Maelstrom_ | litecoin |
| 00:56.15 | nomad411 | Hi, I'm new to Debian and wondering if I'm missing something for my DNS server to work. I'm getting a bunch of denied on queries |
| 00:56.42 | nomad411 | is there anyone here that could help? My brain is going in circles |
| 00:56.44 | KsM | why would bitcoin ddos litecoin and what does that have to do with debian |
| 00:57.12 | KsM | nomad411: I think it's in /etc/resolv.conf that you set your nameserver |
| 00:57.22 | Quix86 | no he said doss, that's a classic floppy attack man |
| 00:57.38 | dondelelcaro | please take it elsewhere. |
| 00:57.53 | Quix86 | oh, is there a guide for doing a network install of debian somewhere? I'm gonna have to put it on a laptop that can't boot from USB soon... |
| 00:57.57 | nomad411 | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 00:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Quix86: there are a few, and the install guide also has details |
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| 01:01.19 | acu | hello debian - I just install wheezy in a toshiba i7 laptop - everything is fine, however I install wheezy side by side windows8 and grub does not see the windows - I thought update-grub2 should have done it, is any suggestion ? |
| 01:01.56 | Quix86 | acu I want to say there is a different command to update grub, but I'm not sure what it is. |
| 01:02.09 | acu | !grub |
| 01:02.11 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
| 01:03.39 | Quix86 | dumb question: If debian won't actually run on a i386, why not name that version "i486" instead? |
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| 01:04.14 | dvs | Quix86: Because it makes too much sense. |
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| 01:04.22 | acu | I did not install wheezy in dual boot with windows8 - I know something should be quircky ... still does not work |
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| 01:05.01 | Quix86 | wait, acu did you install Debian GNU+Linux and then W8? |
| 01:05.38 | acu | no - w8 come with it |
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| 01:06.13 | acu | I install wheezy after - I know it has a quirky boot partition etc -- just did not bother with windows8 at all, until now :) |
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| 01:06.36 | goozbach | having trouble googling to find documentation for creating a debian network install tree, can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 01:06.40 | Quix86 | Is there not an option to boot win8 or does it have an option but it won't boot correctly? |
| 01:06.46 | goozbach | is it as simple as using debmirror? |
| 01:07.45 | acu | no option |
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| 01:07.59 | acu | Quix86, ^^^ |
| 01:08.29 | Quix86 | acu then you need to just check and make sure that is the correct grub update command. Like I said, I've used it before, but I don't recall it. |
| 01:08.47 | Quix86 | I'm also still somewhat new to linux so I don't know much about these things, just bits I've had experience with |
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| 01:10.25 | goozbach | is there an equivilent to the "copy the DVD, run createrepo, serve via http" workflow from fedora-based distros? |
| 01:11.13 | acu | Quix86: thanks I am suppose to know this, I installed literally tens if not hundreds dual boots - I could go mannually, lately it was smooth - just update-grub2 - I know I can do it manually |
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| 01:11.47 | Quix86 | also acu is there a chance debian still uses grub 1? |
| 01:12.29 | acu | I do not think so, though I did alsot update-grub :) just in case |
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| 01:12.58 | Quix86 | well if update-grub doesn't work then I don't know what to tell you, that's the extent of my knowledge |
| 01:13.15 | Quix86 | if I had to guess I wouldn't be entirely surprised if w8 uses some new bootloader that isn't supported by grub |
| 01:13.21 | Quix86 | maybe something UEFI related as well |
| 01:13.23 | Quix86 | shrugs |
| 01:14.02 | Quix86 | What bootloader do new world ROM macs use for debian? |
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| 01:15.11 | acu | Quix86, yes, it has an uefi - I have to dig it more, I just enjoy less spending neurons on proprietary stuff |
| 01:16.25 | Quix86 | acu if it were me, I'd see if there was some kind of bios compatibility mode to use for booting, and then do a fixmbr or fixboot type thing with the windows recovery disc |
| 01:16.33 | Quix86 | but I don't always know what I'm doing |
| 01:17.32 | acu | It is OK, I will ask the person to get the laptop to choose Debian or Windows :) |
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| 01:18.05 | Quix86 | acu I would imagine a dual boot is still possible, if nothing else but by using W7 instead of W8 |
| 01:18.11 | bytes | hi i just installed wheezy rc1 and am wondering, if i want to stay on testing so that i will get updates for "jessie" do i need to change my sources or what? |
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| 01:19.18 | themill | bytes: your install will follow "wheezy" (unless you changed your sources.list already). I'd highly recommend you stick with wheezy until a few months after the release and you're more familiar with Debian. The new "testing" is always a bit of a mess for a while |
| 01:19.29 | acu | bytes: you can't have both - makes no sense, you can pin some applications to use one or other, but in general you have to choose whether you want to use wheezy and add few applications that are only in jeesy or whatever and pin those |
| 01:20.17 | bytes | okay so once wheezy is released may 4th-5th and i want to continue being on wheezy what would i change |
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| 01:20.47 | acu | nothing - just do aptitude update --- then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:20.53 | acu | or aptitude upgrade |
| 01:21.31 | bytes | so i don't need to do anything to my sources? |
| 01:22.03 | acu | bytes: nothing, of course if you have them on wheezy to begin with |
| 01:22.24 | MrMonkey31 | sorry I just have to rant for a second. what is UP with the search fields in websites? they seem to just ignore whole parts of the domain. like, at the ati.com homepage, I'm putting in the model number of one of their products... WHOOOOPS "there are 0 pages with your search query" really? cause it's a number of ONE OF YOUR MODELS. you HAVE pages related to/named after that series of digits... |
| 01:23.13 | MrMonkey31 | this seems to be the case at like 10 major-MAJOR companies, same deal every time. HP, you type in a printer name: "uhhh, sorry we couldn't find that, DURRRRHH" |
| 01:23.45 | MrMonkey31 | so IS that function there PURELY to irritate and confound visitors, or what? for real! |
| 01:23.59 | themill | bytes: if your sources.list already reads "wheezy" everywhere, there's nothing to do |
| 01:24.07 | themill | MrMonkey31: perhaps you wanted #defocus? |
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| 01:24.27 | acu | MrMonkey31: use different browse, there might be some plugins required - so use chrome |
| 01:24.59 | MrMonkey31 | no I'm sorta half-hoping that someone happened to see this and goes "ya I get the exactly same thing going on" |
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| 01:25.35 | Quix86 | MrMonkey31, it's a google conspiracy! |
| 01:25.46 | MrMonkey31 | acu, I'm talking about the specific "browse" that web masters embed into their pages. you would think they have some non-nefarious & helpful intent for doing such |
| 01:26.06 | MrMonkey31 | DAMN THEM ALL TO HADES, THEN! |
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| 01:32.58 | MrMonkey31 | um well come to think of it I've never had problems with searching using the box at www.debian.org so... it sorta makes one wonder if Big Moneymaker Cashhouse Inc does get their online presence at the dollarmart instead of actually putting resources into it |
| 01:33.19 | MrMonkey31 | (made a debian reference there, see?) |
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| 01:40.03 | CableNinja | is there a method for upgrading from 32 to 64bit? |
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| 01:41.16 | dvs | reinstall |
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| 01:41.34 | themill | CableNinja: there is some craziness you can do with manually unpacking packages and then getting apt to reinstall them and you can eventually come out the other side running amd64, but at this stage reinstalling is simpler. |
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| 01:45.24 | CableNinja | themill: :( thats disappointing... theres no dselect voodoo? |
| 01:46.37 | themill | CableNinja: given how new multiarch is and how old dselect is, what do you think? |
| 01:46.53 | CableNinja | touche :( |
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| 01:50.56 | zbriggs | is there a way to use DD and see the progress? |
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| 01:51.07 | zbriggs | cloning one drive to another |
| 01:53.36 | alfplayer | SuperBawlz: web search: dd progress |
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| 02:14.56 | MestreLion | is http://packages.debian.org/ down? |
| 02:15.43 | Towzzer | works for me |
| 02:15.44 | Towzzer | just slow |
| 02:15.55 | Towzzer | probably ubuntu people ddos'ing it |
| 02:16.05 | loaden | works for mee to. |
| 02:16.11 | Blue1 | MestreLion: it is down for me - and isup.me shows it down. |
| 02:16.39 | MestreLion | thanks |
| 02:16.43 | Blue1 | np |
| 02:16.51 | loaden | hi, all! I have meet a strange thing, I set the network address to `192.168.5.169`, bud `sudo ifconfig` show me: |
| 02:17.02 | loaden | inet addr:192.168.6.159 Bcast:192.168.5.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 02:17.13 | Towzzer | did you reload the interface? |
| 02:17.15 | MestreLion | so, i'll ask here: OpenJDK registers JAR in binfmt... is this a Debian-thing or an upstream feature/ |
| 02:17.32 | loaden | Towzzer: yes |
| 02:17.44 | Towzzer | are you using the network manager or a dhcp ? |
| 02:17.47 | MestreLion | I'm not sure where to report the bug... in BTS or upstream |
| 02:17.58 | Blue1 | MestreLion: wow it shows it is going to the uk via a traceroute |
| 02:18.22 | loaden | Towzzer: I'm not using network-manager. |
| 02:18.28 | loaden | static ip |
| 02:18.52 | themill | MestreLion: packages.d.o has been having troubles for a while, yes. |
| 02:18.56 | Blue1 | network mangler in wheezy won't connect to a wifi -- |
| 02:19.06 | loaden | Just change /etc/network/interface and /etc/resolvd.conf |
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| 02:19.32 | loaden | Blue1: are you sure? I can connect to wifi in my home laptop. |
| 02:19.42 | Blue1 | loaden I am sure. |
| 02:20.03 | Blue1 | loaden: http://pkill-9.com/stabilizing-atheros-ar9485-ath9k-connection-linux-wheezy/ |
| 02:20.41 | loaden | Blue1: maybe I am using another driver. |
| 02:20.57 | loaden | sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 02:20.59 | MestreLion | I've noticed a nasty bug in OpenJDK's postinst scripts... it registers .jar files in binfmt using the binary signature of plain .zip files. This makes kernel handles not only the inteded jar but also zip files (and even MS Office 2007 like .docx and .xlsx) as binary executables... |
| 02:21.05 | loaden | Blue1: it's works for me. |
| 02:21.17 | Blue1 | when I switched to wicd - it connected flawlessly. I made the mistake of installing wicd, and removing network mangler -- and then installing boinc, which removed all the supporting libraries for wicd (like glade) was dead in the water. |
| 02:21.23 | MestreLion | I'm not sure if this should be reported in Debian or upstream |
| 02:21.54 | Blue1 | lesson -= do NOT install boinc from the repos - did the same thing in xubuntu. |
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| 02:22.27 | MestreLion | Blue1: what? I use boinc from repo and it always worked great |
| 02:22.39 | loaden | my /etc/network/interface content is: |
| 02:22.47 | loaden | auto eth0 |
| 02:22.49 | themill | MestreLion: so what happens if you mark a zip file as executable and then try to load it? |
| 02:22.51 | loaden | iface eth0 inet static |
| 02:23.01 | Blue1 | MestreLion: in wheezy, it removed all the supporting libraries for wicd when I installed boinc |
| 02:23.13 | MestreLion | themill: invalid file (bad magic number): Exec format error |
| 02:23.25 | loaden | sorry, I will use pastebin later. |
| 02:23.37 | Blue1 | MestreLion: and that was another issues -- I got that error on re-booting |
| 02:23.41 | MestreLion | Blue1: why? any incompatible packages? |
| 02:23.56 | themill | MestreLion: that sounds like jexec *not* handling it |
| 02:23.57 | Blue1 | MestreLion: don;t know - I had no internet access after rebooting. |
| 02:24.26 | MestreLion | themill: but it still thinks it is an executable... which disrupts wine for example |
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| 02:24.46 | themill | MestreLion: so don't mark it as executable? |
| 02:25.16 | MestreLion | themill: not easy when dealing with docx / zip files in FAT or NTFS data partitions |
| 02:25.23 | MestreLion | which is a common scenario btw |
| 02:25.41 | themill | MestreLion: even if you unregister the binfmt, if it's marked as executable, you're still going to have this problem |
| 02:25.55 | MestreLion | default mount settings for ntfs consider all files as executables |
| 02:26.29 | MestreLion | themill: nope, because it's the .JAR entry that makes so, not the executable flag |
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| 02:27.29 | MestreLion | themill: so .txt .rar .doc .pdf files open nicely even in FAT/NTFS parttions (marked as executable), because kernel does not see look for an interpreter |
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| 02:29.09 | MestreLion | it's java's jar entry in binfmt that makes zip (and all types inherited from zip, such as MS Office2007 files) be handled differently |
| 02:29.57 | themill | MestreLion: if it's marked as executable then it will be treated as an executable and the kernel will try to execute it if you ask it to. |
| 02:31.07 | themill | MestreLion: how are you asking what program to actually open this file? |
| 02:32.12 | MestreLion | themill: wine's ShellExecute somehow invoke kernel to check if a file is a binary executable before it tries file open associations |
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| 02:33.12 | MestreLion | and zip/docx files are handled differently than, say, rar and doc |
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| 02:33.50 | MestreLion | because kernel consider them to be jar files and tries to "execute" them with java |
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| 02:34.11 | MestreLion | the jar entry in binfmt is too broad... it should not consider *any* zip file as a jar |
| 02:34.53 | themill | MestreLion: sounds like a bug in wine then |
| 02:34.56 | loaden | hi, all! |
| 02:35.05 | alonzoh | I created a new format: it's a .zip file renamed as a .bucket |
| 02:35.09 | alonzoh | loaden: hello |
| 02:35.22 | loaden | I've meet a strange issue, paste in here: http://pastebin.com/LTpZHpZi |
| 02:35.26 | MestreLion | themill: it works file for all files, from txt to pdf.. and it also works fine for zip and docx if you don't have java installed |
| 02:35.32 | MestreLion | fine* |
| 02:35.45 | loaden | It's seems I can't set the network with Wheezy. |
| 02:36.04 | MestreLion | themill: once you install java, either openjdk 6 or 7, then zip files start to be handled differerntly |
| 02:36.07 | loaden | Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 02:36.14 | loaden | Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 02:36.52 | themill | MestreLion: wine should be following the file associations sanely rather than trying to execute things all over the place. |
| 02:36.59 | loaden | There only one diff that the three number from `5` to `6` with my IP address. |
| 02:37.09 | MestreLion | themill: wine is just a symptom... kernel should not look for a java interpreter for zip files, only for jar files |
| 02:37.09 | loaden | It's works will with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. |
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| 02:37.39 | loaden | So, please have a look : http://pastebin.com/LTpZHpZi |
| 02:37.43 | themill | MestreLion: well, it's only looking for an interpreter if you ask it to. You shouldn't be asking it to find an interpreter for things you don't want to execute. |
| 02:37.48 | loaden | I can't use this IP to install Wheezy too. |
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| 02:38.34 | MestreLion | themill: same problem happens outside of wine too, if you don't have any desktop association for .zip files, Nautilus will try to execute ZIP files if java in installed |
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| 02:39.22 | MestreLion | themill: it should not look for interpreters for unrelated files. if I ask to find an interpreter for pdf it won't find any |
| 02:39.37 | themill | MestreLion: Several things are wrong here: (a) only things that are executable should be +x -- data files should not be +x. (b) when wine is asked to open a file, it should be opened in the file association, not executed |
| 02:40.06 | themill | you shouldn't be asking it to find an interpreter if you don't want it to execute it. That's the fundamental problem here |
| 02:40.39 | MestreLion | themill: I agree with (a), but ntfs and fat is configured by default to interpret all files as +x |
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| 02:40.50 | themill | no |
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| 02:41.50 | MestreLion | it is, if you mount a fat usb flash drive, or an ntfs partition using default options |
| 02:41.57 | themill | Use dmask and fmask properly |
| 02:42.53 | MestreLion | themill: I know I can use different mount/fstab setttings... but out-of-the-box fat and ntfs partitions are mounted that way |
| 02:43.15 | MestreLion | so I can fix that for myself, but that is not a general solution |
| 02:44.13 | MestreLion | as for (b), this is not a wine issue... the same happens in Nautilus if you don't have associations |
| 02:44.28 | themill | (that's not how vfat is mounted here for me; this is fine) |
| 02:45.04 | themill | still comes down to "don't try to execute data files" |
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| 02:45.59 | MestreLion | themill: I wasn't trying to execute. I was trying to *open* them! |
| 02:46.00 | themill | Would you type "./foo.docx" at a shell prompt and expect it to work? |
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| 02:46.41 | MestreLion | and both wine and Nautilus may either open r execute files when you double-click them |
| 02:47.15 | MestreLion | pdf , doc files are always *opened*, even if they are +x |
| 02:47.16 | themill | I can almost cope with nautilus doing that (but it's still a poor choice... do you want to edit or run that script?). Wine definitely should not be. |
| 02:47.25 | MestreLion | and even if there's no associated app |
| 02:47.59 | MestreLion | but zip, docx, etc are handled differently once you install java |
| 02:48.05 | MestreLion | first, they are opened |
| 02:48.27 | MestreLion | then, once java ins installed, they fail to open (wine/nautilis now tries to *execute* them instead) |
| 02:49.16 | MestreLion | because there is a binfmt entry that basically says "hey, zip files can also be considered binary executables" |
| 02:49.34 | themill | *and* because you have marked these data files as being executable. |
| 02:49.48 | MestreLion | true... but they were always executable, and no problem |
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| 02:50.04 | MestreLion | also, docs and pdfs are marked as executable too, and still no problem |
| 02:50.04 | themill | "Oh look, here's a file I have been told is executable, I wonder how I should execute it" is not an unreasonable thing for something to do |
| 02:50.20 | themill | "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" "so don't do that". |
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| 02:50.59 | themill | So -- bug in wine and misconfiguration on your ntfs mount, by the looks of things. |
| 02:51.52 | MestreLion | not *my* ntfs mount... default ntfs mounts |
| 02:51.59 | themill | fsvo default |
| 02:52.04 | MestreLion | fsvo? |
| 02:52.09 | themill | "for some value of" |
| 02:52.53 | MestreLion | the one nautilus/gvfs/fuse/ntfs-3g/whatever does when I double-click an NTFS partition |
| 02:53.21 | themill | and not the default when you use some other automounter like kde's one. |
| 02:53.27 | MestreLion | and also the one if I use "defaults" in /etc/fstab entry for an NTFS partitin |
| 02:54.28 | MestreLion | so looks like KDE is smarter and doing the right thing... but we can't assume that for all DE's.. and gnome is the default in out-of-the-box debian |
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| 02:56.17 | hesco | why does the debian package for iptables not provide a services script for /etc/init.d ??? Many other distros do. I'd find it very helpful to schedule an iptables-restore for boot time |
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| 02:58.49 | dvs | hesco: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 03:00.39 | themill | MestreLion: you could certainly "reportbug openjdk-7-jre-headless" and file a wishlist bug asking for an "extension jar" to be added to /usr/share/binfmts/jar but I suspect that the maintainer will tell you like I did that things that aren't executable shouldn't be +x so it's a moot point. |
| 03:02.00 | themill | hesco: the thinking is that you would normally want to do this as part of bringing the interface up or down so it should be something you do in /etc/network/interfaces rather than running it as a boot script separately. |
| 03:06.34 | hesco | dvs, themill: thanks for that. I assume that executables in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ get run somehow on boot? But I cannot figure out where they are being invoked. Looking at a squeeze installation at the moment |
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| 03:07.06 | themill | hesco: they get run immediately prior to bringing up the interface -- see interfaces(5) |
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| 03:09.25 | hesco | ha thanks. I see now. |
| 03:09.37 | hesco | s/ha/ah/ |
| 03:09.47 | hesco | that makes things clearer |
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| 03:10.36 | themill | ,i iptables-persistent |
| 03:10.38 | judd | Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Simple package to set up iptables on boot. Version: 0.0.20100801; Size: 2.6k; Installed: 64k |
| 03:10.45 | themill | hesco: btw there is also ^^ |
| 03:11.40 | MestreLion | themill: humm, so is it possible to specify a file extension in a binfmts entry? |
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| 03:12.45 | themill | MestreLion: according to the information in update-binfmts. Perhaps you could try editing that file and reloading it to see how it goes ;) |
| 03:12.47 | MestreLion | themill: if so I think moot point or not, there's no reason for java's jar entry not to do so... |
| 03:13.22 | themill | MestreLion: well, the extension is case sensitive... do you want to support .JAR as well as .jar? |
| 03:13.36 | MestreLion | themill: i did an overview of man update-binfmts... I didn't notice any file extension glob rule, only magic numbers one |
| 03:13.50 | hesco | I have an issue with my VMs at RackSpaceCloud where I log in to find the firewalls down. I assume it is related to them migrating VM's from host to host as they need to to balance the load, but am not sure really why they do not stay up. |
| 03:14.07 | themill | MestreLion: also, putting in the extension will prevent "ln -s /path/to/myprogram.jar /usr/bin/myprogram" which is actually a reasonably common thing to do |
| 03:14.18 | MestreLion | themill: yes, perhaps [Jj][Aa][Rr] if it allows glob pattern |
| 03:14.20 | hesco | I'm working on a puppet manifest and hoping to address this among other issues. |
| 03:14.45 | MestreLion | themill: humm, good point |
| 03:15.10 | MestreLion | actually, that's unfortunately a very good point |
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| 03:16.25 | MestreLion | a point the maintainer can reasonably use agains the idea of limiting the entry to .jar files instead of the broad (and thus problematic) .zip signature |
| 03:16.27 | themill | MestreLion: there is however a "detector" command that could be given which is used to detect whether the file is right. I don't know what your silly programs that are trying to execute things all over the place will do if the detector returns false |
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| 03:17.04 | themill | MestreLion: indeed. I think there may even be packages in the archive that do that with things in /usr/bin rather than using a shell script wrapper. |
| 03:17.34 | MestreLion | themill: not "my" silly programs... wine and nautilus work that way... both partly relies on kernel/binfmts to determine if a file should be executed of opened |
| 03:18.18 | themill | MestreLion: ok, "the silly programs you are using" ;) |
| 03:19.00 | themill | and it's definitely a bug in wine that it is ignoring the file association that is pointing to winword |
| 03:19.32 | MestreLion | i know I can fix that for myself either re-mounting my NTFS partition with proper (no x) settings, or to disable/edit the jar entry.. but I was looking for a more general solution |
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| 03:20.34 | MestreLion | themill: yes, I'm also filing a bug in wine about that. it is not really "ignoring" the file association... it's just that it asks kernel if file is executable before consulting file association |
| 03:20.44 | MestreLion | nautilus does the other way around |
| 03:21.06 | MestreLion | association first, "executionability" later |
| 03:22.19 | MestreLion | themill: can you please tell me more about this "detector" command? |
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| 03:23.30 | themill | MestreLion: I know little about it other than /usr/share/binfmts/cli from the mono-runtime package uses it and what is said in update-binfmts(8). |
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| 03:24.57 | themill | MestreLion: it could be a simple shell script that looks deeper into the archive to work out if it has a MANIFEST and the other things a jar requires or even a java program that tries to load the jar to see if it throws an exception |
| 03:25.18 | MestreLion | themill: i think for wine binfmts IS the detector... it first asks the kernel if the file is executable or not (+x is not enough, must be an ELF or have and interpreter too), and THEN, if negative, it tries to use file association |
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| 03:25.56 | themill | the detector is a userspace program that binfmt uses to see if that interpreter is *really* the right one rather than just relying on a magic match |
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| 03:26.37 | MestreLion | so the jar entry could have a proper detection besides "being a zip" ? |
| 03:26.55 | MestreLion | that looks like an ideal solution |
| 03:26.57 | themill | yes, if someone rights an appropriate detector |
| 03:27.47 | MestreLion | btw... is this binfmts registration of jar a Debian thing, or is it upstream? |
| 03:27.49 | themill | (actually, the detector might have to be an ELF thing -- the kernel might not like to jump through the entire magic routine again) |
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| 03:28.08 | themill | MestreLion: no idea. It's certainly in the debian package. |
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| 03:28.36 | MestreLion | yes, it's in the -jre-headless debian/postinst script |
| 03:28.53 | MestreLion | but I'm not if I should fill a report in BTS or upstream |
| 03:29.00 | MestreLion | not sure* |
| 03:29.46 | themill | MestreLion: the maintainer can always forward it upstream (and I think the openjdk upstream keeps tabs on the debian bts anyway) |
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| 03:31.09 | MestreLion | (i could not even browse the upstream bugs... http://bugs.sun.com/ seems to be the indicated place, but there is no browse, and all my searches returned 0 bugs found |
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| 03:31.46 | themill | MestreLion: what does "readlink -f /usr/share/binfmts/jar" say? |
| 03:32.13 | MestreLion | /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/jar.binfmt |
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| 03:32.47 | roasted | hello friends |
| 03:33.14 | MestreLion | and that is a very simple 3-line binfmt entry: package openjdk-7, interpreter /usr/bin/jexec, magic PK\x03\x04 |
| 03:33.15 | themill | MestreLion: yeah, so https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/ is their bug tracker |
| 03:33.32 | roasted | Are there torrents available for 7 RC or is that only hosted over http? |
| 03:33.50 | themill | roasted: only released images have torrents generated for them, as a general rule |
| 03:34.09 | roasted | themill: kind of thought so. My download is going painfully slow so I figured I'd ask to make sure I wasn't missing something. |
| 03:34.10 | themill | MestreLion: but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a debian addition -- things like update-binfmts is certainly a debian addition |
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| 03:34.23 | mumpitzel | ,files fsck.vfat |
| 03:34.28 | roasted | themill: do you by chance know if 7 comes with Gnome 3.8? |
| 03:34.35 | themill | roasted: no, 3.4 |
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| 03:34.45 | roasted | well that's disappointing :( |
| 03:34.59 | MestreLion | themill: oh, thanks! I was lead to bugs.sun.com after reading http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ ... didn't realize there was another bug tracking |
| 03:35.51 | Quix86 | What other WMs will debian 7 come with out of the box? I can't remember if 6 had any extras or not... |
| 03:35.52 | themill | MestreLion: yeah, looking at that page I just gave to you, they don't seem sure what their bug tracker is either |
| 03:36.04 | MestreLion | (side question: is there already a date for wheezy to become stable?) |
| 03:36.18 | Quix86 | !topic |
| 03:36.20 | Quix86 | welo |
| 03:36.23 | Quix86 | I think it's in the topic |
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| 03:36.35 | themill | Quix86: quite a lot... aptitude search ~Px-window-manager lists 55. |
| 03:36.53 | MestreLion | ouch, true... thanks Quix86 |
| 03:36.55 | Quix86 | themill I'm talking about fresh from install |
| 03:37.02 | Quix86 | I know you can put whatever you want on |
| 03:37.13 | themill | Quix86: yes, so you can install any of the 55 you want... |
| 03:37.23 | Quix86 | :| |
| 03:37.35 | Quix86 | pokes themill to get the correct answer out of him |
| 03:37.39 | MestreLion | May 4! So soon.. that's exciting :) |
| 03:38.34 | Quix86 | yop, I'll probably give it a shot but that might mean using gnome3 for 15 seconds |
| 03:38.46 | roasted | lol |
| 03:39.08 | roasted | It's interesting to hear people's opinions on Gnome 3. There's no middle ground whatsoever. It's either love it or hate it. |
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| 03:39.25 | Quix86 | I like xfce *shrugs* |
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| 03:42.37 | MestreLion | roasted: true. but imho it's fine they tried a completely new (and loved/hated) revamped UI... the biggest sin was to remove dozens of options/configs/features that were already in gnome2 |
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| 03:44.13 | MestreLion | so regardless if you love or hate the new UI (and its new workflow, concepts, etc), I think the removal of features that were already there is universally considered bad. It feels a lot as regression |
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| 03:45.12 | MestreLion | goes back to researching about binfmts |
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| 04:04.01 | MestreLion | themill: looks like --detector is indeed the way to go. It avoirds wine/nautilus to run into trouble, while still allowing jars to be executed regardless of extension. Looks like a win-win. But... how to proceed? I've already filled a bug in LP, should I also add one in BTS, or is it redundant? |
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| 04:04.45 | themill | MestreLion: iirc the java packages have the same maintainer in both distributions so that should be enough |
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| 04:06.18 | MestreLion | themill: well, Debian maintainer for jdk is "OpenJDK Team <openjdk@lists.launchpad.net>", but Ubuntu usually copy packages *from* Debian, so I'm a bit confused :P |
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| 04:07.14 | MestreLion | so for openjdk the roles are reversed? |
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| 04:08.28 | themill | MestreLion: launchpad is a generic software hosting thingy which also hosts ubuntu development. In this case, one of the three openjdk maintainers is also canonical employee |
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| 04:50.50 | MestreLion | themill: looks like no bin currently shipped in jdk can take the role of a detector, so I guess it must be a wrapper script (something that can be as simple as like jar "$1" | grep -q grep '^META-INF/MANIFEST.MF$' |
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| 04:51.58 | MestreLion | but... is creating (and shipping ) such wrapper a feasible practice in a downstream patch? |
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| 04:52.43 | MestreLion | In other words: can Debian add a new executable to openjdk package ? |
| 04:53.21 | MestreLion | (btw, script is jar tf "$1" | grep -q '^META-INF/MANIFEST.MF$') |
| 04:53.49 | themill | MestreLion: sure, that would be fine to include -- I don't know if it's a requirement that the detector be an ELF executable rather than a script, however. |
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| 04:55.05 | themill | MestreLion: the new executable doesn't necessarily need to live in $PATH -- sticking it in /usr/lib/jvm/something would be quite fine too |
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| 05:07.39 | jarray52 | I know people recommend that multiple partitions be used for production servers. What can go wrong if a single partition is used? My main rationale for using a single partition is due to the fact I want to install Open Street Maps, which takes a tremendous amount of disk space, and I don't want to worry about particular partitions not having enough space and having to enlarge them. Is this a bad idea? |
| 05:08.24 | KsM | not really |
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| 05:09.08 | jarray52 | So, using a single partition in this situation seems reasonable? |
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| 05:12.07 | themill | jarray52: if you're worrying about a data set filling a partition, then having the rest of the system separated from it can be a good idea. You don't want to end up in a situation where it's hard to fix / because / is full |
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| 05:15.43 | MestreLion | themill: good point (about ELF/script). Well, there's nothing indicating it can't be a script. Back when run-detectors was a perl script rather than a C executable, scripts were allowed (it simply called "system my $status = system $format->{detector}, $ARGV[0];" |
| 05:15.55 | MestreLion | my $status = system $format->{detector}, $ARGV[0]; |
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| 05:18.24 | themill | MestreLion: check the jarwrapper package -- in particular /usr/bin/jardetector |
| 05:19.02 | MestreLion | what is that package? |
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| 05:22.11 | MestreLion | lol, impressive similarity with my made up script :P |
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| 05:24.00 | MestreLion | smart move to include manifest filter in jar itself |
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| 05:24.26 | themill | MestreLion: thought you'd like it. And the postinst for that package installs jarwrapper as a binfmt provider with the detector you desire. I don't know how the two different binfmt providers are going to interact though |
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| 05:24.29 | MestreLion | instead of listing the whole jar content to grep... still, not sure why unquoted $1 |
| 05:24.38 | pnukeid | hello there.. |
| 05:24.45 | MestreLion | and why grep >/dev/null instead of -q , since -q is POSIX |
| 05:25.24 | themill | MestreLion: yeah, I wondered that too, but meh. Makes no real difference in the end |
| 05:25.49 | MestreLion | $1 instead of "$1" does, but true, meh :P |
| 05:26.38 | pnukeid | is anyone know how about traffic shapping for downloader app, like IDM ? |
| 05:26.44 | MestreLion | but what is this package anyway? it's not a dependency of any java-related packages, is it? |
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| 05:28.34 | themill | MestreLion: are jar names with spaces in them legal jar names anyway? |
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| 05:28.47 | themill | dpkg: tell Senor about root |
| 05:29.43 | MestreLion | themill: I guess... even if java classes aren't. but i'm not sure, and this is irrelevant to our point anyway :) |
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| 05:32.23 | Quix86 | Why has my wireless networking stopped working? It worked fine before but now it won't show any networks, and if I turn the hardware switch off and on it'll say 'device not ready' in the menu. Works fine in ubuntu, I share my home directory between the two but I doubt that'd make a difference |
| 05:32.38 | MestreLion | themill: but I wonder what is the point of this package anyway? I mean... if openjdk already provides both jexec and binfmts entry, what is the use case for jarwrapper? |
| 05:32.58 | themill | MestreLion: does your problem go away if you install it? |
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| 05:33.23 | themill | MestreLion: it might just pre-date binfmt support being in the openjdk packages themselves. |
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| 05:34.32 | MestreLion | themill: *my* problem go away using non-default mount options for *my* NTFS data partition... but i'm not here for *my* problem... :) |
| 05:34.33 | themill | MestreLion: or it might handle the case where you've got a locally installed (e.g. oracle java) installed that perhaps doesn't ship binfmt misc configuration |
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| 05:35.07 | rebelrebel | can anyone point to me a gcc.deb package, i need the packaged since i cannot connect to the internet to build any drivers |
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| 05:35.27 | MestreLion | I'm here trying to find a more general solution to a broader audience by filling reports on both java and wine :) |
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| 05:36.37 | MestreLion | wine is wrong in asking kernel before it checks file association, while java is also wrong in making kernel give the wrong answer to wine :P |
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| 05:37.09 | themill | rebelrebel: what do you need to build? (a .deb only for gcc is not going to be enough) |
| 05:37.37 | rebelrebel | i need to build drivers for ralink, is there any package that comes with everything already? |
| 05:38.15 | MestreLion | themill: imho, wine should not test "executability" prior to check its own (windows) associations. (for example, what if I want to execute a .jar in a *windows* jvm ?) |
| 05:38.49 | MestreLion | asking the *linux* kernel to execute a file should be the last resort, not the first |
| 05:38.59 | Quix86 | but |
| 05:39.01 | Quix86 | java |
| 05:39.04 | themill | MestreLion: yes. |
| 05:39.48 | themill | MestreLion: or actually, I'd say "not at all" when wine is processing a .docx→winword assocation. All it should be doing is running "wine path/to/winword.exe filename.docx" |
| 05:39.51 | MestreLion | but otoh, java should not register *any* zip files just because it wants jars to be executable |
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| 05:40.40 | themill | rebelrebel: are you sure you need to build the driver? (what driver?) most ralink stuff is included in the kernel now; the stuff that isn't included in the kernel is generally better thrown away. |
| 05:40.48 | MestreLion | if either side fixes its own issue, problem is solvedfor everyone. In an ideal world, *both* sides could (should?) fix it |
| 05:41.50 | themill | probably |
| 05:42.21 | rebelrebel | well actually im trying to get this to work on a ubuntu derivative, but as far as i understand ubuntu works on .deb |
| 05:42.22 | MestreLion | themill: it does that.. *after* it determines that /path/to/winword.exe is the associated program to open filename.docx files |
| 05:42.47 | themill | MestreLion: that's just broken beyond belief |
| 05:43.00 | MestreLion | which it does *after* it determines that filename.docx is a file to be opened instead of executed |
| 05:43.07 | MestreLion | which it does after querying the kernel |
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| 05:43.16 | themill | rebelrebel: well you don't want debian packages for an ubuntu derivative -- please ask your own distribution's help channel or forums for support. |
| 05:43.19 | rebelrebel | and the reason i am even using ubuntu is because im trying to get an RTL SDR working, and most of the guides seems to be ubuntu based. I know my wifi modeule works on debian, because it works with raspbian on my raspberry pi |
| 05:43.32 | rebelrebel | well they are not very helpful at this point |
| 05:43.39 | themill | (also raspbian ≠debian) |
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| 05:43.59 | rebelrebel | oh really, i thought raspbian was built on debian |
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| 05:44.23 | themill | if it were debian, you'd find it over at debian.org; as you say, it's "built on" |
| 05:44.40 | MestreLion | themill: broken how? it is a sane approach, when ShellExecute() is invoked... afterall, ShellExecute() in windows is meant to both open files AND to execute binaries |
| 05:45.43 | themill | MestreLion: the association with winword has already been found -- all it needs to do is run winword, not throw things at yet another function that is going to go through the entire association detection again. |
| 05:45.48 | rebelrebel | well let me ask you this, will a ubuntu guide to working with an rtl sdr be of any use in debian. Obviously ubuntu supports .debs |
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| 05:46.18 | themill | rebelrebel: I have no idea why you think a file format (.deb) is important here. |
| 05:46.26 | MestreLion | themill: if *you* invoke "wine /path/to/winword.exe myfile.docx" it will do as requested and not check any association, kernel or anything like that |
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| 05:46.57 | themill | MestreLion: so why isn't wine doing exactly that in its .desktop files? |
| 05:47.00 | MestreLion | the problem is not when you know the association... the problem are windows programs that calls ShellExecute(somefile) |
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| 05:47.32 | rebelrebel | I thought the .deb was a packaged that was self contained and included all the files it needed |
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| 05:48.37 | themill | rebelrebel: no. .deb is just an archive and metadata format and a .deb will have dependencies on the libraries that it needs to do anything useful -- a gcc .deb will know that it also requires things like gcc-4.4 to install. |
| 05:48.51 | MestreLion | themill: the issue here is not opening a wine app via native assocation... yes, if you are in nautilus and double-click a .docx , assuming you installed winword, the .desktop association will do its job fine |
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| 05:49.44 | MestreLion | the problem is the other way around... a *windows* application, under wine, using the ShellExecute() API call to open an arbitrary file |
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| 05:51.34 | themill | MestreLion: no, the .desktop files shipped by wine end up calling ShellExecute against the file so that even when you run this association from $filemanager in linux you end up with this problem. (BTW in helping you with this, I realised that I had a pile of .docx files that were +x because of how they had ended up on my machine and also worked out why they didn't reliably open when I double clicked on them...) |
| 05:51.48 | MestreLion | themill: ShellExecute(myfile) API in windows plays a double role: it can be either execute "./myfile" OR the equivalnet of "xdg-open myfile" |
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| 05:52.21 | themill | (I tried to work out why this was misbehaving ages ago and got lost in a pile of GUIDs, got grumpy and gave up on it) |
| 05:52.22 | rebelrebel | why cant we have a .exe style package that install, particularly for things like GCC which is vital in anythign else |
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| 05:52.58 | well_laid_lawn | there's aptitude which does that |
| 05:53.28 | themill | rebelrebel: debian provides nice ways of solving this problem that doesn't cause any heart-ache. Please ask your own distribution's help channels about how do to that on whatever it is you are running |
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| 05:54.24 | themill | (which, incidentally, is not #ubuntu either, from what you've said) |
| 05:54.38 | MestreLion | themill: humm, Ok. to be honest, I never *really* tried to open a docx from linux $filemanager to winword. I'm actually trying the opposite: to make windows programs under wine (like email clients opening attachments or a torrent launching downloaded files) to open the right *native* apps |
| 05:54.42 | rebelrebel | well im just going to install debian right now, and hope that the wifi and display work. That have been my two issues. |
| 05:54.54 | themill | rebelrebel: you haven't told us what hardware you actually have |
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| 05:55.10 | wald0 | where i can download a release-candidate of wheezy ? |
| 05:55.16 | themill | dpkg: tell wald0 about install wheezy |
| 05:55.27 | themill | wald0: that's the release candidate for the installer; not for wheezy, btw. |
| 05:55.28 | rebelrebel | ralink rt 5370 |
| 05:55.32 | MestreLion | themill: which works great for *all* files (once I import a registry file that sets the associations), but fail *only* for .zip, .docx, .pptx, etc |
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| 05:56.26 | MestreLion | and when digging out why, I've found about binfmts / jar |
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| 05:56.40 | wald0 | themill: sorry, what you mean by "not for wheezy" ? i got confused |
| 05:57.03 | themill | wald0: there is no "release candidate for wheezy". There is a release candidate for the wheezy installer. |
| 05:57.35 | themill | rebelrebel: good luck with that... |
| 05:57.38 | themill | dpkg: tell rebelrebel about rt2800usb |
| 05:57.43 | themill | dpkg: tell rebelrebel about firmware installer |
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| 05:58.26 | MestreLion | themill: and I don't blame you for having +x'ed .docx files (see? not only *my* mount is misconfigured :P). Since they are windows file formats, it is very common for them to be copied from some USB formatted in FAT / NTFS which eventually get automatic +x |
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| 05:58.55 | wald0 | themill: really ? mmh, i want to try an installation of wheezy (not squeeze), there's no RC isos yet ? but debian is going to be released very soon, it isnt? |
| 05:59.16 | themill | wald0: debian doesn't do release candidates for the release, it does release candidates for the installer. |
| 05:59.23 | themill | is running out of ways of explaining this |
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| 06:00.28 | wald0 | well, ok, i dont want to annoy you with my questions :) i will simply try it |
| 06:00.36 | MestreLion | let me try to help: wald0 , "not for wheezy" means "not for the release as a whole".... Debian only does RC of the installer |
| 06:00.40 | rebelrebel | themill: Thanks, you get two internets. i think i should start giving out some bitcoins too |
| 06:01.01 | wald0 | MestreLion: so wheezy-installer and squeezy-os ? |
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| 06:03.26 | MestreLion | wald0: no "wheezy-os-on-an-iso" |
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| 06:04.24 | MestreLion | but the installer already points to wheezy's repos, so you end up installing wheezy |
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| 06:05.46 | loaden | networking does not work, but network-manager can do it. It's a BUG? Please have a look: http://pastebin.com/LTpZHpZi |
| 06:05.59 | wald0 | MestreLion: ah, i see, but this is "enough" reliable for do the final release later ? I mean, it if is not tested by the users, things could fail! things always fails unexpectedly in fact lol |
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| 06:07.48 | MestreLion | wald0: so far wheezy was a rolling distro, whose packages many debian users use already, and many distros use too (like Linux Mint Debian Edition) |
| 06:08.13 | MestreLion | so it has been tested already for 2 years |
| 06:08.30 | wald0 | yes but not in an "overall result", imho |
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| 06:08.40 | wald0 | "as a whole", i mean |
| 06:08.41 | MestreLion | what is the difference? |
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| 06:08.51 | wald0 | unexpected things :) |
| 06:08.53 | themill | wald0: there will only be a dozen packages change between now and release. |
| 06:09.33 | MestreLion | wald0: the only difference between current wheezy and "wheezy as stable" is that packages will be frozen... |
| 06:09.53 | themill | yeah... the difference is where a symlink points on the mirrors. |
| 06:10.19 | MestreLion | any "unexpected things" had 2 years to be detected |
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| 06:12.15 | jelly-home | MestreLion: users of testing while it's testing don't experience the same issues (or the same upgrade path) squeeze->wheezy runs do |
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| 06:13.16 | MestreLion | jelly-home: true, but that's where the installer comes in, correct? that that one ahd RC releases |
| 06:13.16 | themill | (the upgrade has also been extensively tested and lots of problems with that upgrade fixed) |
| 06:14.26 | MestreLion | themill: maybe wine's ShellExecute() is checking for "executability" prior to file associations because that's what windows do... and wine must mimic that |
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| 06:16.15 | MestreLion | not broken per-se, although I think it could be improved... for example, checking for *windows* "executability" prior (or instead of) asking native linux kernel |
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| 06:16.42 | themill | MestreLion: that would explain the behaviour that you see there, yes. But me saying "Open in $foo" and then having that not happen is just madness in wine's .desktop files. |
| 06:18.08 | MestreLion | a similar madness to what *I* am experiencing when saying "Open in $foo" in wine registry |
| 06:20.15 | MestreLion | you're using linux .desktop association to open files from linux to a windows software... I'm using windows registry association to open files from windows software to native linux apps |
| 06:20.38 | MestreLion | ... and we are both being bitten by this :P |
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| 06:20.51 | Freze | hi all |
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| 06:22.45 | MestreLion | themill: both wine and java can say "not my problem, it's [insert the other party here] that must be fixed" |
| 06:23.01 | MestreLion | and both have legitimate arguments |
| 06:23.20 | MestreLion | I truly hope *both* end up fixing their side |
| 06:23.54 | MestreLion | wine should not ask kernel, kernel should not give incorrect answer |
| 06:24.06 | Freze | anyone try openvpn |
| 06:24.17 | Freze | ? |
| 06:24.26 | superlinux-hp | hello. nautilus-open-terminal is not working with me and i don't know how to reach the logs for that. |
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| 06:24.53 | MestreLion | at least for java I know fix is easy... a wrapper script as detector in binfmt seems a perfect solution |
| 06:25.59 | MestreLion | themill: BUT... jar -tf "$1" cannnot be used :( jar bin is from jdk, while the binfmt entry is in jre package |
| 06:26.26 | superlinux-hp | hello. nautilus-open-terminal is not working with me and i don't know how to reach the logs for that just to know the reasons for the crash |
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| 06:26.53 | superlinux-hp | so i need help. |
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| 06:27.11 | themill | MestreLion: jarwrapper uses fastjar which is small enough to just insist on |
| 06:27.49 | MestreLion | themill: while I could simply fill the report saying "create a script to use as detector" and leave the problem to the maintainer, I'd like to propose a (viable) working solution |
| 06:28.36 | themill | MestreLion: yes, highly commendable. Perhaps just suggesting that jarwrapper be depended upon instead of this being done in the jre-headless package would be acceptable though |
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| 06:28.50 | MestreLion | themill: but then "fastjar" would have to be added as a dependency of openjdk-{6,7}-jre-headless, correct? you think that would be accepted? |
| 06:29.47 | themill | MestreLion: I assume you're not going to reimplement the entire zip file parsing yourself in C so it's relying on fastjar or unzip to do this. |
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| 06:30.47 | MestreLion | unzip seems more sensible than fastjar/jarwrapper, isn't it? |
| 06:31.35 | MestreLion | I'm assuming that a maintainer will always be more reluctant to add a new dependency on a given package, specially one as openjdk |
| 06:32.15 | themill | MestreLion: openjdk is already a monster of dependencies. Another one won't hurt. |
| 06:32.24 | MestreLion | or, more precisely: will be reluctant to adopt a fix that requires adding a new dependency |
| 06:32.40 | MestreLion | and more inclined to say "not my problem, fix wine" |
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| 06:33.54 | themill | MestreLion: you could try "unzip -l" to see if you could get that to work. The unzip package is more widely installed than fastjar but is also 3 times the size... |
| 06:34.24 | themill | MestreLion: the other option is to try using the jre itself to detect if the file is really a jar but that is going to be *slow* |
| 06:34.30 | MestreLion | isn't it installed by default in both Debian and Ubuntu? |
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| 06:35.07 | themill | no |
| 06:35.17 | MestreLion | themill: how? the only "useful" executable in jre seems to be "java" itself... and a quick look at command line options didin't show any useful options to test a jar |
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| 06:36.22 | themill | MestreLion: you'd have to have some other java program that accepts a file as an option and tries loading it as a jar -- if that succeeds it's a jar and if it fails it's not. |
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| 06:36.54 | MestreLion | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.05 | themill | no, none are |
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| 06:37.51 | themill | (but installing gnome would bring it in, for instance, which would make it already installed on a pile of systems) |
| 06:38.48 | MestreLion | yeah, file-roller depends on it |
| 06:39.08 | MestreLion | as {,k}ubuntu-desktop too :) |
| 06:39.27 | jelly-home | ,v ubuntu-desktop |
| 06:39.28 | judd | No package named 'ubuntu-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 06:39.28 | MestreLion | and lintian |
| 06:39.39 | jelly-home | *phew* |
| 06:39.56 | jelly-home | MestreLion: got me worried for a bit |
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| 06:41.34 | MestreLion | jelly-home: being installed by default as a *required* package in Ubuntu is always a good argument for a maintainer |
| 06:41.46 | themill | not for debian it's not |
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| 06:42.02 | MestreLion | it's the same maintainer! |
| 06:42.14 | jelly-home | it doesn't even exist! |
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| 06:42.26 | MestreLion | you mean the email bounce bug? |
| 06:42.57 | jelly-home | the particular ubuntu-desktop metapackage |
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| 06:43.38 | MestreLion | jelly-home: we are talking about 2 different things... |
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| 06:44.08 | MestreLion | yes, ubuntu-desktop does not exists in Debian (duh), but that's not the point |
| 06:45.05 | MestreLion | the point was trying to find good arguments to justify the inclusion of unzip dependency in openjdk |
| 06:46.14 | MestreLion | that such package is already included by default for a good deal of the user base |
| 06:47.09 | themill | ,popcon unzip |
| 06:47.11 | judd | Popcon data for unzip: inst: 102188, vote: 32804, old: 59004, recent: 10337, nofiles: 43 |
| 06:47.20 | themill | ,popcon openjdk-6-jre-headless |
| 06:47.22 | judd | Popcon data for openjdk-6-jre-headless: inst: 57826, vote: 15143, old: 28535, recent: 14122, nofiles: 26 |
| 06:47.38 | MestreLion | being required in *buntu-desktop means unzip will be there in all ubuntus regardless of DE. And being in file-roller means it will be in any gnome regardless of distro |
| 06:48.16 | MestreLion | and that covers a LOT of ground |
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| 06:48.25 | themill | MestreLion: as I said earlier, the JRE already depends on half the archive, adding one more little package is unlikely to make anyone unhappy |
| 06:48.38 | MestreLion | so it's a good "relutancy-breaker" for a openjdk maintainer |
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| 06:49.05 | jimmy_ | I can't get compiz going for ati RV370 Sapphire X550 Silent |
| 06:49.22 | themill | dpkg: tell jimmy_ about cross-post |
| 06:49.36 | MestreLion | X550? |
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| 06:49.59 | MestreLion | pre-hd series? |
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| 06:53.55 | MestreLion | themill: himm, interesting... there's a circular dependency: openjdk-6-jre-lib<-> openjdk-6-jre-headless |
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| 06:54.26 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 06:54.26 | themill | yes |
| 06:54.30 | lenswipe | I'm trying to build v8 on debian |
| 06:54.49 | lenswipe | the docs say I need to run scons in the debian folder but scons reports (correctly so) that there is no scons fil |
| 06:54.52 | lenswipe | file* |
| 06:54.58 | lenswipe | yet all the docs suggest that there should be |
| 06:55.04 | lenswipe | at least not that I can find |
| 06:55.22 | MestreLion | themill: is that circular dependency intentional? |
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| 06:55.47 | themill | MestreLion: yes |
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| 06:57.12 | MestreLion | that's weird... i've never seen a circular dependency... usually one is "depends" and the other is just "recocmends/suggests" |
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| 06:59.29 | MestreLion | what is the point? future (or past) migration? |
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| 07:12.05 | me-1 | hi...is wheezy coming next month..? |
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| 07:12.44 | smw | me-1, yes |
| 07:13.01 | smw | me-1, The target is may 4th or 5th |
| 07:13.05 | themill | me-1: next week! |
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| 07:13.40 | me-1 | thats great ...so this time gnome 3 is default..? |
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| 07:13.52 | smw | me-1, yep |
| 07:14.12 | themill | (well.... the default is whatever you choose to install) |
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| 07:14.46 | me-1 | I think what comes with cd1 is default |
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| 07:15.29 | tralala | there's kde cd1 |
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| 07:15.50 | tralala | and xfce |
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| 07:16.27 | me-1 | ok ..thank you for the correction |
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| 07:22.40 | framling | I put a call to a ruby script I want to start at boot in /etc/rc.local, and calling rc.local directly starts my script just fine, but it doesn't start on boot. What am I doing wrong here? |
| 07:23.52 | Dewi | framling: likely a difference in environment; are all paths fully specified? |
| 07:24.40 | Dewi | ie always '/usr/bin/ruby' never 'ruby' |
| 07:24.45 | Dewi | etc |
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| 07:25.05 | themill | framling: what's the exact line that you're using to run this script? |
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| 07:26.28 | superlinux-hp | hi i am making a fake package. but i want it to return to APT that this fake package is configured . how? |
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| 07:26.52 | themill | superlinux-hp: "return to APT"? |
| 07:27.01 | superlinux-hp | themill, apt-get |
| 07:27.26 | themill | I still don't understand what you're trying to do here. |
| 07:27.55 | superlinux-hp | themill, I want to use my own version of TCL/Tk 8.6 |
| 07:29.31 | themill | so how are you making this fake package (and is there any reason not to use tcl/tk 8.6 that are already in debian?) |
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| 07:30.33 | superlinux-hp | themill, i use ActiveTCL version . it has the complete package list, and still for free. |
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| 07:30.43 | superlinux-hp | all libraries are there |
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| 07:31.36 | superlinux-hp | themill, i am using this page: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.building-first-package.html |
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| 07:33.13 | themill | superlinux-hp: so you're using equivs to make the fake package? |
| 07:33.31 | miha- | HI, can anyone help me with hosts.allow and deny. I am trying to deny sshd: ALL in deny, and add ip to allow sshd: MY_IP but does not work. All ssh connectons are allowed. On centos I did the same and it qorks |
| 07:33.32 | miha- | works |
| 07:33.33 | miha- | tnx |
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| 07:34.38 | superlinux-hp | themill, i don't know what are equivs.. i am just building a fake package. that's all i understand |
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| 07:35.06 | themill | superlinux-hp: there's no such thing as "just building a fake package". I can't know what you have actually done yet and where you are stuck. |
| 07:35.06 | superlinux-hp | and i am removing dependencies |
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| 07:36.06 | superlinux-hp | themill, doesn't any package has it's post install script to do some configuration? |
| 07:36.30 | themill | superlinux-hp: most packages don't have a post install script at all |
| 07:38.20 | superlinux-hp | themill, but packages do configurations upon install. and i don't want my fake one to do so. |
| 07:38.42 | themill | so don't add a postinst. |
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| 07:39.12 | superlinux-hp | ah ok. |
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| 07:40.01 | framling | themill: /root/lloyd/lloyd.rb start |
| 07:40.38 | themill | framling: and that file exists and is executable by all? |
| 07:41.03 | framling | Yessir |
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| 07:42.23 | themill | framling: I'd suggest adding "set -x" to your rc.local so that you can see that something tried to run it and also enable whatever logging you can to lloyd.rb so that you can understand where or how it died. |
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| 07:46.05 | Iridos | judd, versions hdparm |
| 07:46.06 | judd | Package: hdparm on i386 -- squeeze: 9.32-1; wheezy: 9.39-1+b1; sid: 9.43-1 |
| 07:47.21 | miha- | Can some give me a little help what hosts allow deny are now working:)? |
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| 07:52.38 | adkins | hello, it might not be the 100% correct channel for this, but maybe someone has experienced the same with vmware-player on debian: I`m running vmware-player on debian squeeze and win 7 ultimate (32bit) as guest. I`m having audio stuttering issues and cant get it solved with the solutions on web found so far.... |
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| 07:52.43 | adkins | any advice? |
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| 08:06.24 | r0b- | If i was a visually impaired user would Debian be accessible at all? |
| 08:06.47 | zw | Hi. I migrated a hosting towards another apache on debian. But now when I click on a pdf on the website my browser downloads the file instead of opening it online |
| 08:07.39 | r0b- | Ok, i have a friend who is blind. he is thinking of switching to Debian would anyone here be able to help with accessibility? |
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| 08:08.59 | hizibiz | r0b- i'm not an expert on that, but can tell you Debian has the softwares that other GNU/Linux distros have on accessibility |
| 08:09.04 | Iridos | I think I remember someone asking questions in here who was blind... and I'd think that accessability-features aren't so very different between distributions |
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| 08:10.19 | hizibiz | zw: check content type binding |
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| 08:12.28 | r0b- | So if a blind person had an issue you would help? |
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| 08:13.14 | r0b- | or try to help atleast. |
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| 08:14.53 | boodie | Hi: I have a security issue, could I post it, or is it OT? |
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| 08:15.34 | MikeW_ | Hi, my friend r0b- just joined mentioning that he has a friend who is blind thinking about switching to Debian. That is me. I currently use Vinux, but am interested in other options. If I ran into accessibility issues with Debian, are there knowledgeable users here who could answer questions not answered in the docs or wiki? Thank you. |
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| 08:15.51 | Iridos | r0b-, someone always does that :) |
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| 08:16.11 | Iridos | r0b-, also see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-accessibility/ |
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| 08:16.17 | MestreLion | Regardign the java binfms issue, does anyone have any comments/remarks before I post a similar bug in BTS? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/1172961 |
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| 08:16.46 | Iridos | r0b-, (and the wiki link therein http://wiki.debian.org/accessibility ) |
| 08:16.48 | anddam | can I copy an user's shadow file entry between two hosts? I'd like he to keep the same password |
| 08:17.08 | anddam | I mean, I can and I did but he says he "cannot access" |
| 08:17.51 | anddam | are shadow hashes tied to a specific installation? |
| 08:18.44 | hizibiz | should not otherwise all config management systems would notoriously fail |
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| 08:19.05 | hizibiz | because that's the basic task |
| 08:19.20 | hizibiz | managing users in multiple hosts |
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| 08:20.09 | baizon | hi, any idea where a "sent" file (~/ directory) comes from? |
| 08:20.44 | et | mail program |
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| 08:23.41 | baizon | yes, but mutt isnt showing any msg |
| 08:23.49 | baizon | so is it save to delete this file? |
| 08:24.27 | anddam | ooops! I set his login shell to false |
| 08:25.01 | anddam | aaand I didn't restart vsftpd after editing its configuration |
| 08:25.03 | anddam | way to go |
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| 08:28.56 | MestreLion | when reporting a bug from a package that generates multiple packages, should I file against the source package or (one of) the specific binary it creates? |
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| 08:30.15 | MestreLion | case in point: openjdk... bug is manifested in openjdk-{6,7}-jre-headless, but source is openjdk-{6,7}, where do I file the bug? |
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| 08:34.24 | lenswipe | anddam, try setting his logins shell to /usr/bin/python |
| 08:34.39 | lenswipe | my friends used to do this to me to fuck me up (I'm not too fond of python) |
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| 08:34.56 | lenswipe | Oh - sorry, I thought it was in another channel |
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| 08:43.23 | anddam | lenswipe: I don't see the point even if we were in another channel, I _want_ to provide the service |
| 08:43.41 | lenswipe | it was in another less formal channel |
| 08:43.42 | lenswipe | : |
| 08:43.44 | lenswipe | :p |
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| 08:44.03 | Krisx | I installed debian over my mint installation and haven't been able to get it online since. I see its mac address showing up on my router but nothing seems to work to get it online. Heres the "ifconfig -a" and my interfaces: http://imgur.com/Us5NeLK,JyfHz5r#1 help appreciated. |
| 08:44.22 | i4c | hello fellow debianers ! |
| 08:44.56 | i4c | any suggestion on how to zoom on a specific part of the screen(small screen on laptop) |
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| 08:46.20 | i4c | where like, i can define a rectangle on where i want my screen to zoom, kind of like those screenshot apps |
| 08:47.00 | i4c | it is mainly to simulate a fullscreen mode on apps that don't allow to disable buttons and stuff |
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| 08:47.24 | i4c | i heard compiz had something like that, but it requires accelaration right ? |
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| 08:50.46 | babilen | i4c: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Magnification (for example, similar tools exist for other DEs) |
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| 08:52.02 | drasko_ | where is the stty conf file located? I want to set the nb of rows manually... |
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| 08:54.14 | boodie | Hi (squeeze): I share a router and a CUPS printer between my linux box and my work (Win7) laptop. Yesterday I ran ClamAV on Linux, and it found some threats (Trojans and cookies, mostly within the emails). While browsing internet with linux, could I infect the win7 laptop (I don't think so, but I'm not sure ...)? |
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| 08:56.07 | ThatOneRoadie | Trojans: Most likely not, unless they were *nix-based trojans |
| 08:56.20 | ThatOneRoadie | if there's a worm, again, depending on if it can execute in *nix |
| 08:57.11 | MestreLion | themill: I've updated the bug report and included our discussion and conclusions... care to pitch in? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1172961 |
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| 08:58.49 | boodie | Well, most viruses identified include the "win32" word ... problem is Win7 laptop got infected (and the company's antivirus was useless). So I'm afraid that I could cross-contaminate the two machines (similarly to the inter-species bird-flu scare) ... |
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| 09:09.16 | MestreLion | themill: also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706200 . Any word from you on that would be highly appreciated |
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| 09:27.51 | boodie | Hi I ran chkrootkit and it basically found nothing, but a set of 'suspicious' directories & files ... here they are: http://paste.debian.net/372/ |
| 09:28.36 | boodie | I don't think they are threats, but ... apart from ClamAV and chkrootkit, are there other useful tools? |
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| 09:29.21 | Iridos | rkhunter? unhide? |
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| 09:29.40 | Iridos | and tripwire |
| 09:30.12 | tgs3 | boodie: linux kernel is a joke on security, unless you apply grsecurity |
| 09:30.13 | boodie | rkhunter, unhide & tripwire ... are they downloadable via aptitude? |
| 09:30.37 | boodie | grsecurity? |
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| 09:30.52 | tgs3 | it's a patch that makes linux kernel quite secure |
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| 09:30.59 | boodie | I have bastille, but I haven't set it up |
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| 09:31.30 | tgs3 | bastille does nothing in area of protecting kernel and programs with access-lists (RBAC), grsecurity does |
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| 09:32.04 | boodie | OK, but it seems I should recompile the kernel |
| 09:32.13 | boodie | Is this correct? |
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| 09:33.03 | mntzn | Hi, is there any quick way to see versions of installed packges and ones to be upgraded? |
| 09:33.09 | calbasi | Hi, can I give permission to a non-admin user to create new users (adduser)? |
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| 09:33.46 | mntzn | with output simmilar to : package installed [1.0.0] to upgrade [1.0.1] |
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| 09:36.10 | mntzn | oh, apt-get -V -s upgrade did the trick |
| 09:36.56 | tgs3 | boodie: yes. there will be released kernel soon |
| 09:36.58 | tgs3 | boodie: as .devb |
| 09:36.59 | tgs3 | .deb |
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| 09:46.43 | calbasi | (11:33:54) calbasi: Hi, can I give permission to a non-admin user to create new users (adduser)? |
| 09:47.06 | tgs3 | calbasi: one idea would be to write suid script |
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| 09:47.13 | tgs3 | calbasi: other idea would be to use sudo |
| 09:47.24 | tgs3 | sudo is probably better |
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| 09:48.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell calbasi -about sudoers |
| 09:48.26 | calbasi | I can give sudo access to execute only one command? |
| 09:48.29 | babilen | yes |
| 09:48.31 | DotHack | calbasi: go for sudo |
| 09:48.44 | calbasi | ok |
| 09:48.48 | calbasi | I'll try it ;-) |
| 09:48.52 | calbasi | Thanks a lot |
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| 09:54.43 | tgs3 | how to remove broken package, aptitude remove says it want table to locate file for the linux-image-..... this might mean ou need to manually fix this package .... but how?! |
| 09:54.49 | tgs3 | themill: maybe you know? |
| 09:54.55 | superlinux-hp | hi. my nautilus-open-terminal ain't working at all. |
| 09:55.10 | superlinux-hp | how can i reach the error log |
| 09:55.17 | superlinux-hp | ?? |
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| 09:56.36 | tgs3 | actually disregard that now it works with dpkg --remove , it wans't due to other unrelated problem |
| 09:56.45 | tgs3 | superlinux-hp: execute this command in console |
| 09:56.56 | tgs3 | superlinux-hp: like, open x terminal, and there run the nautilus maybe |
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| 09:57.42 | superlinux-hp | tgs3, which command? |
| 09:58.01 | tgs3 | superlinux-hp: the one that is not working, isn't there a command for it? maybe #gnome knows |
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| 09:58.53 | superlinux-hp | tgs3, is should chdir to the currend directory |
| 09:59.00 | superlinux-hp | tgs3, it should chdir to the currend directory |
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| 09:59.18 | superlinux-hp | but gnome terminal ain't opening at all. |
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| 10:06.09 | yacc_ | Any easy way to install all requirements for building dkms modules? |
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| 10:07.03 | yacc_ | Solved it, dkms must be installed, and it pulls all requirements itself. |
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| 10:09.49 | boodie | Hi: rkhunter found a possible threat ... [11:05:10] Rootkit names : Xzibit Rootkit ... how do I wipe it out? |
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| 10:13.15 | caimlas | hey folks, I've got a problem where my 'interfaces' file doesn't appear to be getting read on boot. I'm reasonably certain the syntax of the file is correct, and I don't have network-manager installed. I've got eth1 defined, and on boot the kernel renames eth0 to eth1. however, the interface (statically assigned) doesn't come up. if I do an ifdown -a && ifup -a (or ifup eth1) the interface will come up, but it retrieves a dhcp lease when doin |
| 10:13.16 | caimlas | g so - even though the interfaces file has the interface defined as static. I'm scratching my head over this one as I've never seen anything like it. anyone know what I might be overlooking? |
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| 10:22.59 | dubbaluga_ | hi! In chromium the sound of youtube videos stutters, I have all plugins (even the Adobe flash-plugin) disabled. Anyone an idea? |
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| 10:27.06 | tgs3 | dubbaluga_: not really... well try if sound is ok in other applications? |
| 10:27.29 | dubbaluga_ | tgs3: it's perfeclty ok everywhere else, I am confused therefore |
| 10:28.17 | dubbaluga_ | tgs3: I thought that chromium comes with a flash-plugin, but from the files included in the .deb (i am using the one from the unstable distribution) it does not seem so |
| 10:28.53 | emss | is chromium using alsa or a wrapper alsa-oss? |
| 10:29.09 | ChrisH | caimlas: could it be the existance of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules causing issues for you? |
| 10:30.39 | tgs3 | debian squeeze, kernel 3.2 (builded myself) - how to install radeon binary drivers? |
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| 10:34.54 | misternanyte | hi i was wondering if anyone knew how to get LED TV's to be recognized in the x.org config? |
| 10:35.12 | misternanyte | somehow my linux installation automatically recognizes my monitor, but i can't seem to get it to work with the x.org config |
| 10:36.02 | babilen | misternanyte: You typically don't use a xorg.conf file anymore (see <empty xorg.conf> and <xorg.conf.d> for details (/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf)) |
| 10:36.13 | babilen | Why do you use one? |
| 10:36.21 | misternanyte | because i want to use the radeon feature |
| 10:36.35 | misternanyte | i need it for programming in opengl |
| 10:36.41 | misternanyte | as of now it only does emulation |
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| 10:37.49 | misternanyte | i just can't seem to figure out the new config system lol |
| 10:38.01 | babilen | Then create a small file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that contains /only/ the configuration you need ... Displays are managed with xrandr (and "xrandr -q" should, for example list it) these days. You might want to configure the displays only if they don't change and if the autoconfiguration is not to your liking |
| 10:38.12 | misternanyte | i tried adding the radeon driver as a seperate conifg file in the directory... but it didn't load X afterwards "no screens found" |
| 10:38.16 | babilen | But then you shouldn't also configure everything else ... |
| 10:38.19 | misternanyte | driver apparently did load for the vid card however |
| 10:38.29 | babilen | misternanyte: The radeon driver is used by default .. |
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| 10:38.50 | misternanyte | yes but it doesn't do opengl... i'm talking about the hardware acceleration |
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| 10:39.12 | babilen | You don't have to configure Xorg to use it at all and for hardware accleration you simply have to install libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 10:39.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell misternanyte about radeon |
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| 10:39.28 | misternanyte | ah firmware-linux-nonfree gotcha |
| 10:39.37 | misternanyte | but then i have to add more lines to my sources list :/ |
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| 10:39.54 | misternanyte | thanks |
| 10:39.57 | babilen | misternanyte: You have to reboot after installing that. You really don't need a xorg.conf for this .. why do you think you have to add more lines to it? |
| 10:40.13 | misternanyte | i don't have nonfree i believe in there |
| 10:40.15 | misternanyte | just the basic |
| 10:40.22 | misternanyte | course i haven't used debian in ages |
| 10:40.27 | misternanyte | i just installed it again |
| 10:40.47 | misternanyte | ok i'll try it brb on linux in debian! |
| 10:41.03 | babilen | misternanyte: No, you enable contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list and then install the libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree package. This has nothing to do with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 11:03.07 | misternanyte | ok well i'm on debian, and nothing is working still with the opengl |
| 11:03.14 | misternanyte | xchat is the best FTW |
| 11:03.36 | misternanyte | i installed the non-free firmware |
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| 11:03.43 | misternanyte | and uh, well opengl is still choppy and slow |
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| 11:04.46 | misternanyte | damn it to hell |
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| 11:11.29 | babilen | misternanyte: Couple of questions: Which version of Debian did you install? Did you install libgl1-mesa-dri? What is the output of "glxinfo|grep -i render" ? (you have to install mesa-utils for that) Do you still use an /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 11:11.46 | misternanyte | 6.0.7 |
| 11:11.54 | misternanyte | yep got the libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 11:12.03 | tgs3 | misternanyte: Im doing same thing now; glxinfo | grep -i render is it software? software = mesa = slow |
| 11:12.57 | babilen | misternanyte: Okay, when did you install that box? |
| 11:13.09 | misternanyte | glxinfo|grep -i render |
| 11:13.14 | misternanyte | just a few days ago |
| 11:13.17 | misternanyte | god damn it |
| 11:13.20 | misternanyte | it didn't paste right |
| 11:13.27 | misternanyte | direct rendering: Yes |
| 11:13.27 | babilen | Use http://paste.debian.net for pastes |
| 11:13.27 | misternanyte | OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer |
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| 11:14.04 | babilen | misternanyte: Okay, you use a Software Rasterizer which essentially means that you have no hardware rendering support .. I /think/ that this is due to an outdated kernel and/or Xorg |
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| 11:14.24 | misternanyte | holy crap tastic now i gotta redo my kernel which will probably break my system lol |
| 11:14.32 | babilen | misternanyte: We will release Debian 7.0 (wheezy) in about a week and I would strongly recommend you to use/install that. |
| 11:14.36 | misternanyte | i could probably just try and download the linux drivers from AMD's site |
| 11:14.45 | misternanyte | yeah i guess i could try that |
| 11:14.54 | Towzzer | we? |
| 11:14.54 | babilen | misternanyte: And please stop swearing ... it doesn't really make it easy to support you. |
| 11:14.57 | misternanyte | i have crap system though, BGA cpu with integrated video |
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| 11:15.44 | babilen | misternanyte: No, do /not/ download the driver from amd.com -- First there are better ways to install those drivers on Debian and secondly you would still have an old Xorg and kernel. I would recommend to upgrade to wheezy or simply install wheezy from scratch. |
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| 11:16.55 | misternanyte | that's alright, i only needed it for programming some opengl progs. but that's not important... i'll wait for that release i guess |
| 11:16.57 | misternanyte | thanks |
| 11:17.10 | misternanyte | besides amd apparently has dropped support for linux |
| 11:17.29 | babilen | misternanyte: So, for the upgrade read <wheezy release notes> and in particular the part about upgrading along with <squeeze->wheezy> . If you want to <install wheezy> and you have a working internet connection I would recommend to download <firmware images wheeze> and to follow <installation guide wheezy> for the installation. (you can /msg our bot about all these things (e.g. "/msg dpkg install wheezy") |
| 11:18.14 | babilen | misternanyte: Which GPU do you have? (i.e. what does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you?) |
| 11:18.25 | misternanyte | radeon 6350 |
| 11:18.35 | babilen | misternanyte: What is the output of my command? |
| 11:18.55 | misternanyte | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9802] |
| 11:19.41 | babilen | judd: pciid 1002:9802 |
| 11:19.42 | judd | [1002:9802] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9802 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 11:20.24 | misternanyte | nice bot |
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| 11:20.27 | babilen | misternanyte: yeah, you definitely need a newer kernel and Xorg for that. I'd give wheezy a try and take it from there. I would personally recommend to simply install wheezy from scratch, but upgrading might be faster/easier. |
| 11:20.44 | misternanyte | i've done upgrades before i think it'll be ok |
| 11:20.46 | romane | hi where can i found the default group file ? |
| 11:20.54 | misternanyte | thanks a lot babilen |
| 11:21.11 | romane | i remove some system group thinking it was those for the user |
| 11:21.21 | babilen | misternanyte: Yeah, it is just that you might run into some bugs that are specific to the upgrade path. Just make sure to follow http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and you should be fine though |
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| 11:22.21 | romane | with there number |
| 11:22.27 | babilen | romane: There is no default group file as groups are created during package installs and so on ... Check your backups and you might have a backup in /etc/group- |
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| 11:23.02 | babilen | romane: And please, do not delete important files like that. Deleting a file in /etc or /usr or /lib is almost always a very bad idea. |
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| 11:23.16 | misternanyte | bbl |
| 11:23.58 | romane | babilen, yes i got the file it's the graphical interface which taking me in mistake |
| 11:24.12 | romane | babilen, no backup in the group- file |
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| 11:24.44 | babilen | romane: What is in /etc/group- ? |
| 11:24.45 | romane | babilen, it this one is correct for debian too http://www.omnisecu.com/gnu-linux/redhat-certified-engineer-rhce/linux-group-database.htm |
| 11:25.03 | romane | same as in /etc/group |
| 11:25.09 | romane | missing the adm as example |
| 11:25.41 | romane | ( about the system group file ) |
| 11:27.03 | babilen | romane: The file is specific to your system ... Do you have a /var/backups/group.bak ? |
| 11:27.26 | babilen | romane: When did you create your last backup? |
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| 11:28.27 | romane | 24 april file no adm inside |
| 11:28.36 | romane | babilen, |
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| 11:28.55 | romane | babilen, yes it just about the system default group that i need |
| 11:29.00 | babilen | romane: Same as in /etc/group ? What did you do to your group file exactly? |
| 11:29.05 | romane | yes babilen |
| 11:29.30 | romane | babilen, i was using graphicla interface thinking the group buton w<as toi change the user group |
| 11:29.53 | babilen | romane: So, you have backups from two days ago. Was that before or after you changed /etc/group ? |
| 11:30.01 | romane | so i delete some until i realioze that it was hte system group for all users |
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| 11:30.08 | romane | babilen, after |
| 11:30.34 | babilen | romane: You shouldn't edit those files directory, but use tools such as adduser, addgroup and so on to perform changes |
| 11:30.47 | romane | babilen, i was using the graphical |
| 11:30.53 | babilen | romane: Do you have a backup from before? What exactly did you delete in there? |
| 11:30.55 | romane | menu in gronme |
| 11:30.57 | romane | gnome |
| 11:31.08 | babilen | *shrug* I never used that |
| 11:31.28 | romane | babilen, at least adm but maybe some other so i need the default group |
| 11:31.38 | babilen | maybe :) |
| 11:31.47 | babilen | romane: Could you paste your /etc/group file to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:31.52 | romane | yes |
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| 11:32.59 | babilen | romane: And you are looking for /usr/share/base-passwd/group.master but /do not/ simply overwrite your existing /etc/group with that file. |
| 11:33.01 | romane | babilen, the last http://paste.debian.net/400/ |
| 11:33.14 | romane | babilen, i will check and merge them |
| 11:33.34 | romane | i have just add the adm manually |
| 11:33.38 | babilen | romane: /etc/group is modified by a lot of packages and please be careful in what you do ... This is /definitely/ an area that you should have never entered. |
| 11:33.47 | babilen | romane: What do you use to create your backups? |
| 11:34.25 | babilen | romane: I would add it at the correct place (i.e. in line 5) |
| 11:34.28 | romane | don't know i never as to do it |
| 11:34.39 | babilen | romane: Oh, so you don't create backups at all? |
| 11:34.39 | romane | it the default of the system |
| 11:35.09 | romane | babilen, thanks about the master it the file i am looking for |
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| 11:35.48 | babilen | romane: I know, but please be careful /and/ configure a backup system that you use regularly. (and I mean once a day, not once a year) ;) -- dirvish is worth a look, for example |
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| 11:45.22 | infinityloop | hi all. I have question: am I right to believe that Debian will give me an Arch like linux install but without the cutting edge updates? Typically a more stable a rock solid system? |
| 11:45.53 | apm1 | infinityloop, debian will give you nothing like arch |
| 11:46.06 | apm1 | our philosphy is much diff from those idiots |
| 11:46.14 | apm1 | *philosophy |
| 11:46.24 | infinityloop | apm1: can't I just cherry pick the packages I want? |
| 11:46.32 | apm1 | yes you can |
| 11:47.02 | infinityloop | apm1: cool and any full system update won't wreck the world? :) |
| 11:47.26 | apm1 | not unless you run sid +experimental |
| 11:47.35 | Iridos | no. usually works fine, except if you have 3rd-party packages installed |
| 11:47.45 | apm1 | use a stable release and you are gonna be fine |
| 11:47.53 | infinityloop | awesome |
| 11:48.12 | apm1 | btw we strongly discourage using any 3rd party repos |
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| 11:48.38 | apm1 | and we won't support them here no matter what |
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| 11:49.04 | Iridos | not even if it's your mum asking? |
| 11:49.24 | babilen | infinityloop: The philosophy and approach of Debian is /very/ different from that of Arch, but why not give it a try so you can see for yourself. <install wheezy> using images from <firmware images wheezy> if you have a working internet connection. (/msg dpkg install wheezy) |
| 11:49.28 | infinityloop | are the Ati drivers considered a 3rd party repo (sorry for basic question)? I understand its 3rd part but its really for hardware support |
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| 11:49.55 | apm1 | Iridos, we shoot to kill in case we come across such requests |
| 11:50.01 | babilen | infinityloop: Debian ships the radeon driver and installer packages for fglrx -- Which are you referring to? |
| 11:50.03 | Iridos | aha |
| 11:50.33 | infinityloop | I generally used the closed drivers from Ati on my last arch install and when playing with Ubuntu yesterday |
| 11:50.49 | infinityloop | ubuntu is just too general thats why I can't use it |
| 11:50.53 | babilen | ack |
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| 11:51.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell infinityloop about radeon |
| 11:51.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell infinityloop about fglrx |
| 11:51.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell infinityloop about fglrx dkms |
| 11:51.49 | infinityloop | babilen: thanks |
| 11:52.07 | apm1 | dpkg: tell infinityloop about handbook |
| 11:52.20 | babilen | infinityloop: The last factoid (i.e. <fglrx dkms>) details how to install /and/ configure the fglrx driver, whereas the first gives some information about the radeon driver and which packages you need for proper 3d accel |
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| 11:52.50 | petn-randall | Hi everyone, I'm looking for a way to configure cron to not send a mail if the return code of the program is 0. I faintly remember there was a way to do it, but I can't remember how. :S |
| 11:52.52 | apm1 | infinityloop, read the handbook that will answer most of your questions |
| 11:52.57 | babilen | infinityloop: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Any preferences regarding your desktop environment or window manager? |
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| 11:53.23 | babilen | petn-randall: I simply use "> /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 11:53.24 | babilen | " |
| 11:53.28 | sobczyk | hi, what is the software behind packages.debian.org? mainly search |
| 11:53.31 | babilen | petn-randall: At the end ... |
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| 11:54.29 | petn-randall | babilen: That'll swallow all output unconditionally, I still want to get get it if $rc != 0. |
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| 11:54.56 | infinityloop | babilen: during the install for some reason it didn't configure my network (which is wireless) |
| 11:55.11 | Daniel15 | sobczyk: There's a link in the footer of packages.debian.org labelled "web site source code is available". |
| 11:55.23 | anddam | out of curiosity: why does setting login shell to false inhibit FTP access? is it a feature of vsftpd or is it using a system's auth mechanism? |
| 11:55.25 | g105b | I'm experimenting with a small server, keep getting things wrong, have to re-image the hard drive each time with a fresh debian image. Is there an easy way to "snapshot" the image in its current state, so I can get back to that point? |
| 11:55.29 | petn-randall | babilen: I remember there was a package or config option to do that, but my search terms are too general to find the right answer. |
| 11:56.22 | babilen | petn-randall: Are you referring to MAILTO settings in crontab? |
| 11:56.47 | infinityloop | last time I used debian was at uni : woody :) |
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| 11:57.14 | babilen | petn-randall: You could set that to an empty string if you don't want to send mails at all .. I only ever configure this on a per-job basis |
| 11:58.34 | petn-randall | babilen: I've got cron job that runs regularly, and sends output to STDOUT if it runs ok or generates an error. I only want to get a mail if it generates an error. I'm looking for a way to check the exit code, and only then send the output of STDOUT to the MAILTO. |
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| 11:59.29 | petn-randall | babilen: I could wrap a bash script around it to do exactly that job, but I'm pretty sure there's already a well-tested program that does exactly that job. I just don't remember the name :( |
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| 11:59.47 | Iridos | petn-randall, command >/dev/null 2>&1 || command |
| 11:59.55 | misternan | um tinyirc doesn't let me have long nick :/ |
| 12:00.12 | Iridos | that's why it's TINYirc... |
| 12:00.31 | apm1 | lol |
| 12:00.37 | misternan | ok so i tried this tutorial on how to install fglrx drivers, and now... "no protocol" spams my window even though it gets stuck on a black x server window |
| 12:00.57 | babilen | petn-randall: So, you don't only want to get stderr? (in case that is non-empty, but the /entire/ output (i.e. stdout and stderr) if the return code of the command is != 0 ? |
| 12:00.58 | misternan | i'm the guy that came in here asking about the glx problems with radeon on 6.0.7 |
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| 12:01.18 | babilen | misternan: Did you upgrade to wheezy already? |
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| 12:01.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell misternan -about fglrx dkms |
| 12:01.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell misternan -about fglrx |
| 12:02.14 | babilen | misternan: The bot just sent you the supported and recommended way to install the fglrx (non-free/proprietary) drivers ... But update to wheezy first. |
| 12:02.20 | petn-randall | babilen: matilda! That's the name of the program I was looking for :) |
| 12:02.26 | babilen | hooray! |
| 12:02.27 | misternan | i think i'm still on squeeze |
| 12:02.31 | babilen | judd: i matilda |
| 12:02.33 | judd | No package named 'matilda' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 12:02.37 | misternan | i haven't used linux in so long lol |
| 12:02.44 | misternan | what's the command to see the version? |
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| 12:03.19 | babilen | misternan: Paste the output of "cat /etc/debian_version ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 12:03.38 | babilen | petn-randall: Where can I find matilda? |
| 12:03.39 | misternan | ah ok thx |
| 12:03.54 | babilen | misternan: And how did /you/ install the amd driver now? |
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| 12:04.08 | misternan | still 6.0.7 lol. :) I'm just going to install wheezy when it comes out stable |
| 12:04.19 | misternan | i'm not familiar with all this new debian features |
| 12:04.34 | babilen | misternan: We will release it in a week ... You can (and should!) install it right now. |
| 12:04.43 | misternan | i was happy with my radeon 9700 pro back in the day when debian was barely at the end of it's 3 series |
| 12:05.10 | babilen | misternan: So, what did you do? You mentioned that you installed the amd driver? How did you do that? |
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| 12:05.34 | misternan | yeah i guess i could but you know right now I"m just using the terminal for chatting and I'm enjoying it. I installed the driver using the debian repository |
| 12:05.54 | misternan | i removed the xserver-xorg-video-radeon --purge... and then installed the fglrx-driver-ia32 thing |
| 12:06.02 | babilen | sigh |
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| 12:06.22 | misternan | it's ok babilen... i'm not happy with this installation anyways and I don't have anything particularly useful on it :) |
| 12:06.55 | babilen | misternan: Well, okay ... not sure if that works for you system and so on. My recommendation is: Upgrade to wheezy (before anything else as your hardware requires that) and then install fglrx (if you really need that driver) by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" |
| 12:06.56 | misternan | all i had was 800x600 screen and you know, it's ok if i can't get back on it until the stable version of wheezy comes out |
| 12:06.57 | petn-randall | babilen: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/software.html <-- matilda |
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| 12:07.17 | misternan | thanks for the help babilen |
| 12:07.31 | petn-randall | babilen: I found that by googling all the search terms that came to my mind. Though I remember there was something similar already in the debian repos. |
| 12:07.36 | misternan | now i shall find a ... oh yeah.. ijust remember w3m and the fb :D |
| 12:07.44 | babilen | petn-randall: That does not seem to be packaged in Debian ... Aren't you tempted? |
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| 12:08.15 | infinityloop | I'm a bit surprised that the wireless card isn't working out of the box |
| 12:08.27 | babilen | misternan: You can use wheezy right now. It will not change much in the next week I can assure you of that. |
| 12:08.31 | infinityloop | given the type of install I went for |
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| 12:08.47 | babilen | infinityloop: Which wireless card is that? You might simply have to install firmware -- Did you use the firmware image I recommended earlier? |
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| 12:09.33 | infinityloop | babilen: earlier you were talking about the video card it seems? |
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| 12:10.02 | misternan | that's ok babilen i'd love to but don't want to waste my dwindling dvd-roms :) |
| 12:10.05 | babilen | infinityloop: 2:49:23 babilen > infinityloop: The philosophy and approach of Debian is /very/ different from that of Arch, but why not give it a try so you can see for yourself. <install wheezy> using images from <firmware images wheezy> if you have a working internet connection. (/msg dpkg install wheezy) |
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| 12:10.43 | babilen | infinityloop: That is ^^^ what I am referring to. The images linked in the <firmware iamges wheezy> factoid are http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/ -- Which image did you use? |
| 12:10.50 | babilen | infinityloop: And which card do you have? |
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| 12:11.09 | infinityloop | babilen: I installed from the live xfce cd |
| 12:11.13 | babilen | NOOO! |
| 12:11.20 | babilen | infinityloop: Ah well, no .. don't do that. |
| 12:11.34 | infinityloop | babilen: ok, reason? Alternative? |
| 12:11.35 | romane | bye thks |
| 12:11.41 | misternan | um sorry if this makes anyone angry but how do I change room views in tinyirc lol |
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| 12:12.14 | babilen | infinityloop: Well, first and foremost: The live CDs are not that up to date and not meant for installations anyway. They support it, but have bugs that are not necessarily present in the debian-installer. |
| 12:12.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell infinityloop -about install xfce |
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| 12:13.08 | jaalto | While codeing ... I recived a pishing message that comed from GMAIL. I'm reporting the incident to Google, but what does this web form question mean "Did the message appear to be from someone impersonating Google?" |
| 12:13.09 | misternan | goto |
| 12:13.13 | babilen | infinityloop: I asked you about your window manager/desktop environment preference in order to be able to suggest the best image and installation method. Which wireless adaptor do you have? Can you connect via ethernet as well and which NIC do you have? |
| 12:13.15 | jaalto | What is "impersonating someone"? |
| 12:13.45 | misternan | lol |
| 12:13.45 | babilen | jaalto: Try #debian-offtopic or (better) ##english please |
| 12:13.54 | misternan | ok i just use the /join command to switch back and forth |
| 12:13.55 | xand | jaalto: read a dictionary |
| 12:14.10 | jaalto | xand: I'm not native. |
| 12:14.16 | xand | jaalto: wiktionary.org |
| 12:14.33 | xand | jaalto: why did you think that was an appropriate question for #debian? |
| 12:14.35 | babilen | jaalto: Please take it to a different channel :) -- It means to pretend to be a different person, but this is /really/ not on-topic here. |
| 12:14.51 | babilen | </endofdiscussion> |
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| 12:15.45 | babilen | infinityloop: Which wireless adaptor do you have? |
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| 12:17.42 | babilen | infinityloop: You can /either/ download images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (the XFCE one if you want) and burn them to a CD and provide firmware (as detailed on that page and in <installer firmware wheezy>) on a USB stick (unpack (!) the firmware.tar.gz to an USB stick) for the installation |
| 12:18.17 | babilen | infinityloop: Alternatively you can use the netinst images /with/ firmware I linked earlier and configure the installer to install XFCE in the boot menu as detailed in <install xfce> |
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| 12:19.16 | babilen | infinityloop: I can't check hardware support or provide better advice as you don't tell me which wireless adaptor your have (e.g. "lspci -nn|grep -i network") -- I am also off to lunch now, so ... Good luck and have fun with that. Just don't use the live images for installation ... |
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| 12:19.58 | misternan | great well i will just continue wait while i play nethack for the console! ttyl |
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| 12:27.12 | infinityloop | babilen: sorry was on the phone, thanks a lot of the info. I card that I have is : Ethernet: Intel corporation 82579V and I think the wireless one is : Atheros Communications |
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| 12:31.24 | jelly | that's not the output of lspci -nn, dude. You omitted the useful bits [hexa:code] |
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| 12:33.18 | petn-randall | babilen: Another option is chronic from the moreutils package. "chronic: runs a command quietly unless it fails" |
| 12:33.34 | petn-randall | babilen: That's the one I meant that was already packaged :) |
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| 12:37.28 | babilen | petn-randall: thanks! that might come in handy ... and once again I should take, yet another, look at all the tools in moreutils, debian-goodies, devscripts, .... |
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| 12:47.40 | Carlinhos | how do i get qt apps to follow gtk icons theme using openbox? |
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| 13:00.27 | ksk | ,version rsyslog |
| 13:00.29 | judd | Package: rsyslog on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.4-2; squeeze-backports: 5.8.11-1~bpo60+2; sid: 5.8.11-3; wheezy: 5.8.11-3; experimental: 7.3.12-1 |
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| 13:05.04 | Quix86 | Why has my wireless networking stopped working? It worked fine before but now it won't show any networks, and if I turn the hardware switch off and on it'll say 'device not ready' in the menu. Works fine in ubuntu, I share my home directory between the two but I doubt that'd make a difference |
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| 13:06.16 | Mahjongg | hello, I am having trouble changing the sound card in alsamixer. My changes are not saved, even after an alsactl store as root. Wheezy here... |
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| 13:06.36 | Walex | Quix86: shouldn't make a difference but perhaps driver issues or perhaps you use NetworkManager of different versions... |
| 13:07.30 | Quix86 | Walex, but why would these stop working between boots? |
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| 13:08.35 | Walex | Quix86: our psychic advisors are all busy on other astral planes :-) |
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| 13:12.37 | hesco | I must be going crazy, neither which nor locate is revealing the full path to the cd command. |
| 13:13.17 | babilen | hesco: It's a builtin -- Try "help cd" |
| 13:13.26 | hesco | cd works. it just does not seem to have a home in my filesystem. Have checked several servers and my local desktop. |
| 13:13.56 | hesco | builtin to bash, I assume? |
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| 13:14.24 | hesco | thanks babilen |
| 13:14.32 | babilen | hesco: yes, builtin to bash |
| 13:14.56 | hesco | who knew, well apparently you did. |
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| 13:24.44 | petn-randall | hesco: If you have a command that doesn't show up with 'which', it's either a built-in of your shell or an alias. |
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| 13:25.31 | themill | ("type" ftw) |
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| 13:27.37 | teotwaki | Hi, trying to install squeeze using a unetbootin'd 180MB iso on a bios-configured soft-raid0 |
| 13:27.57 | babilen | teotwaki: No, that is wrong on so many levels. |
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| 13:28.18 | babilen | teotwaki: First and foremost: Why squeeze? We are about to release wheezy in one week and I would strongly recommend to use that. |
| 13:28.50 | teotwaki | babilen: good point. Haven't been following the news lately. Sorry. |
| 13:28.51 | babilen | teotwaki: Secondly: Don't use unetbootin as it breaks our images. You can write the images directly to your USB stick and they should work just fine. |
| 13:29.07 | teotwaki | just dd it? |
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| 13:29.33 | babilen | teotwaki: If installing wheezy is an option (I would really recommend this at this point in time) I can provide further information about which image to download and how to create the USB stick. |
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| 13:29.44 | babilen | teotwaki: You can just cp it .. easier and probably faster than dd. |
| 13:30.27 | Quix86- | So now that I'm in debian, why has my wireless stopped working? |
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| 13:30.59 | teotwaki | babilen: thanks. Will try again following your advice. |
| 13:31.13 | babilen | teotwaki: Do you have a working internet connection? How do you connect? Do you have any preferences regarding your desktop environment? |
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| 13:31.39 | teotwaki | babilen: wired lan, no desktop. |
| 13:32.39 | babilen | teotwaki: Okay, no problem. I will provide a number of references you should ask our bot about. All of these look like <foo> and you can ask the bot by running "/msg dpkg foo" or just mentioning "foo" to it in private. |
| 13:32.58 | teotwaki | babilen: cool, appreciate it. |
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| 13:33.38 | babilen | teotwaki: Given that you have a working internet connection I would recommend to use a netinstall image with firmware which you can download from the link in <firmware images wheezy>. The installation itself is detailed in <installation guide wheezy> and you can find a direct link to the section that explains how to create the USB in <usb install wheezy>. |
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| 13:35.41 | babilen | teotwaki: Do you want to install Gnome3, XFCE, LXDE, KDE or a window manager during the initial installation? |
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| 13:36.33 | teotwaki | babilen: I don't intend on installing xorg or any DE. |
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| 13:37.42 | babilen | teotwaki: fair enough, then you should have enough information for the initial install. I'd recommend to install the Standard task and hope you enjoy the install. Let us know if you run into problems. |
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| 13:43.58 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86-: hard to guess without knowing your chipset, but it's probably that the NIC requires non-free firmware, and that takes an extra step in Debian. |
| 13:44.24 | Quix86- | jhutchins_wk, it worked before after I installed it and it worked for a while after that, but it's stopped working now |
| 13:44.27 | babilen | Quix86-: Did it work before in Debian? |
| 13:44.52 | Quix86- | FWIW wlist wlan0 scan returns: interface doesn't support network scanning: network is down |
| 13:44.57 | petn-randall | teotwaki: The other thing is, I wouldn't use a RAID0 configured by the BIOS. Chances are high it's not portable to a different machine. Use the mdadm-RAID that linux provides. |
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| 13:45.52 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86-: The one time I saw that it was because both Network Manager and Wicd weree trying to access it. |
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| 13:46.56 | Quix86- | jhutchins_wk, that might be possible, how would I check? |
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| 13:47.34 | babilen | Quix86-: You have to bring up the interface first with, say, "ip link set eth0 up" |
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| 13:49.14 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86-: Ask the person who set up the system if they installed wicd, and if so whether they disabled Network Manager. |
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| 13:50.23 | teotwaki | What are the odds that the firmware iso is corrupt? (cron, specifically) |
| 13:50.50 | Quix86- | jhutchins_wk, I'm the one that set it up but I don't know what I'm doing. If something installed it, it was related to my xubuntu installation which shares home directories |
| 13:50.52 | babilen | unlikely, many people used that already |
| 13:51.08 | teotwaki | checked the sha256sum, correctly downloaded. Used cp and sync. |
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| 13:51.38 | babilen | hmm, what is the error you get? |
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| 13:52.51 | teotwaki | "Warning: file:///cdrom/pool/main/c/cron/cron_3.0pl1-124_amd64.deb was corrupt" |
| 13:52.55 | babilen | teotwaki: You could also try a weekly from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ (or a daily) -- but check the error you get on ALT-F4 first (or ALT-F6) |
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| 13:53.26 | petn-randall | teotwaki: Sounds like a faulty burn/download to me. |
| 13:53.41 | Dewi | babilen: the old "tell people to press alt-f4 on irc" trick, eh |
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| 13:53.54 | babilen | teotwaki: Hmm, that sounds like a problem ... Does the installation actually fail because of that or is it download the package ? But it very much sounds as if something went wrong during the copying of the image. |
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| 13:54.24 | teotwaki | well, it's not the download, as the sha256sum is correct. The copy is entirely possible. Will copy again and try again. Again. |
| 13:54.28 | babilen | Dewi: huh? I, naturally, meant to do that in the installer. Not to close any window :) |
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| 13:54.36 | subthalamus | what does this mean on each boot? hdio get identity /dev /sdb invalid argument |
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| 13:54.47 | Dewi | babilen: nice cover, but I see what you're up to :) |
| 13:54.49 | subthalamus | device in question is a 1.5TB external USB hdd |
| 13:55.03 | Quix86- | babilen, if I do "ip link set wlan0 up" I get "no such file or directory" |
| 13:55.09 | subthalamus | I've ignored the error too long |
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| 13:55.23 | babilen | teotwaki: *sigh*, sorry for that ... Also give the wkeely/daily a try if that doesn't work or burn to a CD. Many people used those images just fine, so .. |
| 13:55.24 | petn-randall | subthalamus: Paste the full output please, it's impossible to guess without the stuff around it. |
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| 13:55.32 | teotwaki | Not seeing any real error on tty4 though, babilen. base-installer reports "error: exiting on error base-installer/debootstrap-failed". main-menu also reports that "WARNING **: Configuring 'bootstrap-base' failed with error code 1" |
| 13:55.44 | babilen | ack, thanks |
| 13:55.58 | petn-randall | teotwaki: You can check the sha256sum of the medium, too. |
| 13:56.10 | babilen | dpkg: check cd |
| 13:56.11 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
| 13:56.14 | teotwaki | petn-randall: about to do that :) |
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| 13:56.21 | subthalamus | petn-randall: um, what log would the rest be in? |
| 13:56.29 | babilen | bbl |
| 13:56.41 | petn-randall | subthalamus: Where is the output from? I thought it was from a log file. |
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| 13:57.09 | subthalamus | petn-randall: this is at bootup, fairly early, around mount time I think |
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| 13:58.03 | petn-randall | subthalamus: Oh, then it's either in boot.log, syslog or kern.log |
| 13:58.20 | Quix86- | how do I check if wicd and/or network manager is/are installed/running? |
| 13:58.27 | petn-randall | subthalamus: If not, you can always install bootlogs and then it should show up in boot.log |
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| 13:58.52 | petn-randall | Quix86-: 'dpkg -l wicd' and 'dpkg -l network\*' |
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| 13:59.24 | Quix86- | wicd is not installed |
| 13:59.28 | Quix86- | network manager is |
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| 14:00.28 | Quix86- | would there be any settings related to wireless networks kept in the /home directory? |
| 14:00.36 | Quix86- | or rather, network adapters |
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| 14:06.12 | subthalamus | petn-randall: ok, thanks |
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| 14:06.50 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86-: I'm not sure where NM stores it's config. It is per user. Logs, dmesg might be of help. |
| 14:07.09 | jhutchins_wk | subthalamus: dmesg | less might be of interest to you as well. |
| 14:07.41 | subthalamus | jhutchins_wk: thanks, but I grepped for HDIO and got nothing in dmesg |
| 14:09.01 | jhutchins_wk | subthalamus: look for "disk" and "sdb" - use -i. |
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| 14:09.17 | subthalamus | found something in syslog if you're interested |
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| 14:11.07 | subthalamus | http://paste.debian.net/439/ |
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| 14:12.06 | petn-randall | subthalamus: You're using apparmor on your debian machine? |
| 14:12.08 | Alasdairrr | I'm trying to install Debian Wheezy RC1 and when it gets to the package repo mirror step, no matter what mirror i select it says "Bad archive mirror" |
| 14:12.18 | Alasdairrr | is there a special testing mirror i need to use? |
| 14:12.44 | petn-randall | Alasdairrr: All mirrors should work. Is your network correctly configured? |
| 14:12.48 | subthalamus | petn-randall: um, think it is ubuntu why? |
| 14:13.03 | Alasdairrr | petn-randall: well it didn't grumble when i put the settings in |
| 14:13.07 | petn-randall | subthalamus: ... Ubuntu is at #ubuntu. |
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| 14:13.25 | Alasdairrr | petn-randall: is there a way to get a command prompt in the installer? |
| 14:13.26 | subthalamus | petn-randall: yea, but you guys are nicer over here |
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| 14:13.33 | subthalamus | and more helpful |
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| 14:13.49 | Alasdairrr | ah hah, press escape key |
| 14:13.55 | subthalamus | every other box my house is debian :/ |
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| 14:14.17 | petn-randall | subthalamus: We surely are, but we only support pure Debian here. It's impossible for us to keep track of all the Debian derivatives, and what they do differently. |
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| 14:14.50 | petn-randall | Alasdairrr: I think you can also change the consoles with alt + F1/F2/F3/... |
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| 14:16.03 | Alasdairrr | yup that works, thanks :-) |
| 14:16.28 | Alasdairrr | i miss the ifconfig commands, this new "ip" command is confusing |
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| 14:16.54 | petn-randall | Alasdairrr: ifconfig should still work, I think. The installer doesn't have it anymore? |
| 14:17.06 | Alasdairrr | doesn't look like it |
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| 14:19.28 | subthalamus | petn-randall jhutchins_wk looks like an hdparm error |
| 14:19.30 | Alasdairrr | Yup, I was using the wrong nic, sorted now. |
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| 14:19.55 | subthalamus | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1015693 |
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| 14:20.47 | subthalamus | http://forum.wdlxtv.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=4464 |
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| 14:21.18 | petn-randall | subthalamus: You probably have to add some parameters to pass ATA commands through the USB chipset, check the man page. |
| 14:21.33 | subthalamus | is there a way to tell hdparm to just not run on external usb hdd? |
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| 14:22.01 | petn-randall | subthalamus: As this still is Ubuntu-specific, we don't know. |
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| 14:26.44 | jhutchins_wk | subthalamus: That would definitley be something to take up iwth #ubuntu, they're likely to do it differently that debian does. |
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| 14:32.39 | et | did someone try the intel compiler suite on wheezy here? (installing now, tells me only debian 6 is supported, i'll see if it works, just wondering if it's supposed to) |
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| 14:37.35 | i4c | hi all, any suggestions for magnifiying/zoom tools, so i can lets say only see text in kate etc, the problem i had with the current ones is that it magnifies the display of what is being magnified. |
| 14:37.42 | i4c | i tried kmag and xzoom so far |
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| 14:38.19 | babilen | i4c: as mentioned earlier, give gnome-mag a swirl .. but what's wrong with kmag (you seem to be using kde) |
| 14:38.40 | i4c | i am using lxde |
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| 14:38.54 | i4c | k i will try gnome-mag babilen |
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| 14:39.17 | Quix86- | dmesg returns "iwflifi-3495-2.ucode firmware file req failed: -2 |
| 14:39.18 | enigmuriatic | is there a known bug that causes debian to fall back to the 'C' locale? |
| 14:39.28 | enigmuriatic | it happened as soon as I installed it on my VPS |
| 14:39.31 | Quix86- | as well as -1.ucode |
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| 14:40.32 | babilen | Quix86-: You have to install firmware for centrino devices. In particular you want firmware-iwlwifi -- see "/msg dpkg iwlwifi" for further details. |
| 14:40.42 | petn-randall | Quix86-: You're missing non-free firmware. Just install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 14:40.48 | petn-randall | damnit, babilien! ;) |
| 14:41.01 | babilen | hahaha |
| 14:41.06 | Quix86- | babilen but what happened to the firmware to remove it in the first place? |
| 14:41.23 | petn-randall | Quix86-: It's non-free, and not shipped by default in Debian. |
| 14:41.32 | Quix86- | but, it was working before? |
| 14:41.38 | babilen | Quix86-: Check your logs (zgrep iwlwifi /var/log/dpkg.log*) |
| 14:41.48 | petn-randall | Quix86-: Before what? Upgrading? |
| 14:42.02 | Quix86- | between boots |
| 14:42.22 | Quix86- | unless I somehow never actually tested the wireless on this install? |
| 14:42.49 | petn-randall | Quix86-: Maybe your wireless keeps the firmware during warm reboots? You never know ... |
| 14:43.00 | babilen | We wouldn't know :) -- What does the command I mentioned earlier give you and what is the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" ? (paste it to http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 14:43.14 | tehrabbitt | anyone know how to set up debian as a smarthost? |
| 14:43.29 | petn-randall | tehrabbitt: smarthost for what? |
| 14:43.34 | enigmuriatic | is there a known bug that causes debian to fall back to the 'C' locale? |
| 14:43.36 | enigmuriatic | it happened as soon as I installed it on my VPS |
| 14:43.44 | tehrabbitt | petn-randall: Exchange Server |
| 14:43.48 | xand | tehrabbitt: if you mean for mail, run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:43.53 | xand | and set the appropriate options |
| 14:44.03 | tehrabbitt | I have a VPS box that I want to turn into a smarthost (smtp relay) |
| 14:44.15 | petn-randall | enigmuriatic: There are dozens of reasons that could happen, could you provide more context? |
| 14:44.29 | tehrabbitt | xand: ah okay :) |
| 14:44.31 | petn-randall | enigmuriatic: Where are you seeing this error message? |
| 14:44.43 | tehrabbitt | xand: one of the options is to set it up as a relay? |
| 14:45.06 | enigmuriatic | i installed the current standard release of debian on my VPS and immediately was told it had to fall back on the 'C' locale because it couldn't set various locale vars, petn-randall |
| 14:45.18 | Quix86- | actually I might not have installed it since I haven't set up my center click scroll either |
| 14:45.21 | enigmuriatic | whenever I try to install or update something, petn-randall |
| 14:45.43 | Towzzer | so |
| 14:45.45 | xand | tehrabbitt: think so |
| 14:45.51 | Towzzer | I want to list only the owners of files |
| 14:46.04 | enigmuriatic | can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 14:46.05 | Towzzer | ls with awk works but there is a blank line because ls has a information line |
| 14:46.07 | Quix86- | the dpkg log is too big to put in pastebin, what am I looking for? |
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| 14:46.56 | Aaron_` | I am running debian linux with some servers on it. opensim to be exact. I have stuff open on ports 9000-9005ish, but I can only access port 9000, even from LAN, any ideas? |
| 14:47.04 | enigmuriatic | petn-randall, here's a full error message: http://pastebin.com/bxgWnR5c |
| 14:47.13 | themill | dpkg: tell Towzzer about parsing ls |
| 14:47.29 | themill | Towzzer: use find instead |
| 14:47.44 | Towzzer | find prints owners? |
| 14:47.46 | Towzzer | if you want it |
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| 14:47.56 | themill | or stat if it's only a few files |
| 14:48.33 | petn-randall | Aaron_`: Can you provide the full output of 'netstat -npl' ? |
| 14:49.21 | Aaron_` | Any perticular place you would like meto paste it? |
| 14:49.34 | Quix86- | uh... yeah, xinput isn't even installed |
| 14:49.46 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:49.52 | Quix86- | so I guess either something cleared out my install or I just haven't done anything |
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| 14:50.31 | Towzzer | did not know about this stuff with find |
| 14:50.33 | Towzzer | thanks guys |
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| 14:51.24 | Quix86- | where is my .xsessionrc? |
| 14:51.25 | enigmuriatic | what's the easiest way to install ruby 1.9.3 on Debian? |
| 14:51.55 | themill | enigmuriatic: run wheezy |
| 14:51.59 | Aaron_` | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/38398ab5/ |
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| 14:53.42 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 14:54.02 | johnfg | I'm troubleshooting nfs on debian at present. |
| 14:54.10 | Quix86- | oh, and while I am here, I'm going to be doing a deb install on a system that will use a cisco aironet 350 card soon, are there GNU free and open source drivers that respect my freedom for that hardware? |
| 14:54.18 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: ok, looks like things are listening, how about `iptables-save`? |
| 14:54.43 | johnfg | If I want nfs exports mounted in gentoo, I can issue, or restart nfsmount. |
| 14:54.55 | johnfg | How do I do the equivalent in debian squeeze? |
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| 14:55.38 | mumpitzel | Quix86-: what chip is the cisco card using? |
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| 14:57.02 | mumpitzel | Quix86-: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/airo |
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| 14:57.36 | enigmuriatic | can anyone help me out with my locale problem? |
| 14:58.02 | themill | enigmuriatic: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:58.02 | Quix86- | I donno what chipset it is but |
| 14:58.11 | Quix86- | I think it's supported then? |
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| 15:01.49 | petn-randall | Quix86-: If you have the hardware, you can paste the output of 'lspci -n' to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and see if it's supported. |
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| 15:02.05 | Quix86- | petn-randall, I don't have it yet, I was just wondering |
| 15:02.30 | petn-randall | Quix86-: If you haven't you'll just have to google it and ponder about the truthfulness of the results :/ |
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| 15:02.37 | Quix86- | Is it possible to boot from the network and then do the rest of the installation via USB for computers that otherwise can't boot from a USB drive |
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| 15:03.10 | petn-randall | Quix86-: If your device can boot PXE, you can let it boot from an image that way. |
| 15:03.10 | cirrus] | hi |
| 15:03.23 | petn-randall | Quix86-: No need for USB from that point. |
| 15:03.31 | cirrus] | how can I check what's version of the package is in debian-experimental? |
| 15:03.44 | petn-randall | Quix86-: Or you install a bootloader onto the HDD that then boots from USB. |
| 15:03.49 | petn-randall | cirrus]: packages.debian.org |
| 15:04.00 | petn-randall | cirrus]: or ask judd |
| 15:04.15 | Aaron_` | twobitsprite: Sorry, had a customer http://paste.debian.net/454/ |
| 15:04.31 | twobitsprite | johnfg: if they're listed in /etc/fstab you can just mount them |
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| 15:04.42 | Quix86- | petn-randall, I think I'd prefer the bootloader, how hard is that to do? |
| 15:04.50 | enigmuriatic | themill, command wasn't found |
| 15:05.06 | petn-randall | Quix86-: Sorry, don't have details, just know it's possible. |
| 15:05.29 | petn-randall | enigmuriatic: Then you don't ... have debian installed? |
| 15:05.36 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: hmm... since the :INPUT line is ACCEPT, the port specific lines are unnecessary, but either way it shouldn't be filtering anything |
| 15:05.47 | themill | enigmuriatic: as root |
| 15:06.07 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: can you do "nc -vz 192.168.1.125 9000"? |
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| 15:07.03 | mumpitzel | Quix86-: read the link. only from a certain (proprietary) firmware onwards. flashing it can only be done on windows |
| 15:07.04 | Aaron_` | twobitsprite: Wow-Server [192.168.1.125] 9000 (?) open I have discovered that it may only be listening on UDP. |
| 15:07.16 | harrison | trying to overwrite '/usr/include/fpu_control.h', which is also in package libc6-dev-amd64 2.13-38 |
| 15:07.25 | harrison | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-dev-i386_2.13-38_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:07.25 | dpkg | harrison: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 15:07.26 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: no, looks like it's listening on TCP as well |
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| 15:08.20 | Aaron_` | twobitsprite: UDP is where it needs to be listening from what I have been told. |
| 15:08.49 | harrison | http://pastebin.com/bMVUgahd |
| 15:09.24 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: you have ports 9000, 9001, 9002 and 9003 listening on UDP, and port 9000 listening on TCP |
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| 15:09.59 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: your iptables isn't blocking anything, and the mono process listening on 9000/TCP is responding to connections... |
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| 15:10.24 | twobitsprite | where are you trying to connect to this server from? is it behind a NAT/router and you're trying to connect from the internet? |
| 15:10.26 | Aaron_` | twobitsprite: Then all is good there. I will troubleshoot the server in the channel specificly for it. |
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| 15:11.37 | enigmuriatic | themill, i'm pretty sure i do |
| 15:11.40 | enigmuriatic | is there any way of finding out? |
| 15:12.42 | themill | finding out what? |
| 15:13.03 | enigmuriatic | what my root OS is? |
| 15:13.55 | themill | enigmuriatic: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:16.27 | Aaron_` | twobitsprite: Thank you for your help, even though appently things are working they way they should, and I was the misinformed one. |
| 15:16.58 | i4c | babilen: i cannot use gnome-mag(my current os doesn't have it), are there any advantages to gnome-mag, i guess i can try compiling it |
| 15:17.02 | twobitsprite | Aaron_`: lol... it happens, no worries :) |
| 15:17.25 | i4c | in comparison to kmag |
| 15:17.29 | i4c | or xzoom |
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| 15:20.01 | Nik05 | hey guys when a development package include files from another package, should it depend on that package? |
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| 15:22.50 | voxluna | good [morning], or whatever your timeframe is... ;) |
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| 15:25.09 | babilen | Nik05: No package should include files that are in another package. |
| 15:25.28 | Nik05 | sorry babilen i mean #include ;) |
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| 15:26.26 | Nik05 | so babilen should the package depend on it or not? :P |
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| 15:28.25 | babilen | Nik05: If the other package is a build-dependency then yes, you have to declare that dependency |
| 15:29.07 | babilen | argh, sorry ... I half-assing answers now as I'm concentrating on something else. |
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| 15:29.20 | babilen | bbl |
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| 15:30.17 | Nik05 | babilen no im not talking about build-dependency |
| 15:30.48 | babilen | (yes, I realised as much, hence my apology) |
| 15:31.04 | Nik05 | its a -dev packages and 1 file includes 2 header files which are in 2 other -dev packages |
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| 15:31.23 | Nik05 | should the -dev package depend on those other two -dev packages? |
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| 15:36.02 | jgornick | Hey guys is it possible to view the postinst file for a package file? |
| 15:36.30 | Nik05 | yes by reading it :D |
| 15:36.36 | jgornick | OH SNAP |
| 15:36.37 | jgornick | :P |
| 15:36.47 | Nik05 | apt-get source will get you the source, it will also have the postinst |
| 15:36.50 | Towzzer | nailed it |
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| 15:37.07 | jgornick | Towzzer, I prefer saying "swish" after a burn like that. |
| 15:37.09 | jgornick | :P |
| 15:37.10 | Nik05 | or just download the package |
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| 15:37.33 | Quix86 | What version of KDE am I going to get by doing apt-get install kde on squeeze? |
| 15:38.05 | jgornick | Nik05, so if I have the deb on my machine, how do I extract the postinst script from it. |
| 15:38.07 | Nik05 | kde-full 5:66 |
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| 15:39.10 | infinityloop | babilen: hi yout here |
| 15:39.11 | Nik05 | jgornick wikipedia says .deb is implementted as a ar archive |
| 15:39.45 | infinityloop | hi all, I just finished installing wheezy and updated the ati driver to use the proprietary one (as explained here : http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary) |
| 15:40.02 | Nik05 | jgornick so extract with ar |
| 15:40.18 | infinityloop | I ran the aticonfig --intial command and checked that the xorg.conf got created correctly with the proper driver name entry |
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| 15:40.28 | jelly | jgornick: dpkg-deb --control foo.deb somedestdir/ |
| 15:40.35 | jgornick | Nik05, I see now. If I call dpkg --control mypackage.deb, it extracts the DEBIAN folder into the specified directory. |
| 15:40.47 | jgornick | jelly beat me to it :P |
| 15:40.47 | Nik05 | ah dpkg-deb :) |
| 15:41.04 | infinityloop | no though when I boot up, the startup blocks at the following : ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready |
| 15:43.31 | infinityloop | I wonder if something didn't break when running the following : aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver |
| 15:43.59 | infinityloop | curiously I don't know why when I ran that command it asked me to put back the cd to continue the install |
| 15:44.10 | infinityloop | I would have thought it would have downloaded any needed package |
| 15:44.11 | dizzylizzy | I feel really stupid using $(basename $(pwd)) in my script |
| 15:44.17 | dizzylizzy | i'm sure there's a better way |
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| 15:46.04 | jelly | dizzylizzy: if it's a bash script, you can use ${foo$$*/} construct |
| 15:46.31 | infinityloop | I wonder if i didn't screw up the system using an old linux header (2.6) whereas the kernel is 3.2, i did try with 3.2 but it didn't work |
| 15:46.33 | jelly | mm, make that ${foo##*/} |
| 15:47.01 | jelly | dizzylizzy: echo ${PWD##*/} |
| 15:47.50 | dizzylizzy | thanks jelly |
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| 15:49.10 | voxluna | I am a heavy Debian user, but I haven't the faintest idea what y'all are talking about. not entirely, at least. ;) |
| 15:49.26 | voxluna | you are CLI whores, script pimps. yegods. |
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| 15:50.06 | tehrabbitt | voxluna: :p some of the most powerful tools reside in the CLI |
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| 15:50.21 | dizzylizzy | voxluna, I use debian as my primary desktop and have for a long time, but I'm no superhuman on the command line |
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| 15:50.27 | dizzylizzy | I just really, really like learning things about it |
| 15:50.41 | voxluna | oh I am not decrying CLI at all... just scripts, once you get into craziness like that. I wrote an entire iptables firewall as a script, more or less. it's... well, anyway, you get the idea. |
| 15:50.49 | dizzylizzy | jelly, is there a difference between ${} and $() ? |
| 15:51.00 | dizzylizzy | I like scripts, I wish I were better at them |
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| 15:51.08 | voxluna | everything I learned about Linux I learned on Debian, and by trial-and-error. pretty much how I learned everything on computers for the last 30 years. |
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| 15:51.19 | dizzylizzy | I usually just end up using emacs macros to make huge lists of commands to execute instead :-/ |
| 15:51.25 | voxluna | oops not 30, umm... something less, that makes me cooler :P |
| 15:51.55 | infinityloop | ok al good id an update again and rebooted and everything came back to place |
| 15:51.58 | infinityloop | ahlala ... |
| 15:52.19 | voxluna | that firewall was back before I had a router... so it was cable -> firewall box -> separate eth1 to my -> computer |
| 15:53.02 | dizzylizzy | what I'd like to do is turn every instance of "track??.cdda.wav" in a directory into a command "sox track??.cdda.wav $(basename $(pwd))??.wav channels 1" but i just end up making a single script that does it for 01 through 24 one at a time and run it in each directory |
| 15:53.11 | dizzylizzy | i'm so inefficient, I'm sure that there's a better way |
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| 15:53.47 | dizzylizzy | i rip a lot of audiobooks |
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| 15:54.39 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: huge difference, at least in bash. ${} is used to explicitly separate variable names from text, eg i="eat"; echo ${i}ing - and $( ) is command substitution |
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| 15:55.31 | dizzylizzy | ahhh, hence the env var PWD used in jelly's recommendation |
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| 15:57.18 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: uh, yeah, and that's the other thing {} is used for. stupid cold. |
| 15:57.20 | jelly | $() calls an external command, which is much more expensive |
| 15:57.24 | dizzylizzy | yeah |
| 15:57.32 | dizzylizzy | makes sense that it would be more efficient |
| 15:57.43 | dizzylizzy | jelly, on modern computers I don't think that "expensive" is quite the right word |
| 15:57.52 | jelly | dizzylizzy: it is. |
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| 15:58.45 | jelly | "eats up around 2 orders of magnitude more resources, including system and real time" |
| 15:58.55 | peterrooney | jelly: i would consider N=24 to be small |
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| 16:00.08 | jelly | peterrooney: I don't know how many directories, and dizzylizzy said "run it in each directory" |
| 16:00.18 | dizzylizzy | one directory per disc |
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| 16:00.31 | dizzylizzy | if this were on a larger magnitude I'd be more concerned |
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| 16:02.04 | peterrooney | my bash history has this doohicky solution: files=(*.flac); for i in "${files[@]}" ; do if [ -e "${i%%.flac}.mp3" ] ; then echo "NOT overwriting ${i%%.flac}.mp3" 1>&2 ; else flac -d --stdout "$i" | lame -m j -q 0 --cbr -b 320 - "${i%%.flac}.mp3" ; fi ; done |
| 16:03.22 | peterrooney | mutatis mutandis, YMMV, caveat emptor |
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| 16:14.47 | et | dizzylizzy: if you used zsh > b=$(basename $(pwd)); for i in *.wav; [[ $f =~ track([0-9]{2}).cdda.wav ]] && sox $i $b$match[1].wav channels 1 |
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| 16:15.09 | et | that will likely work with a bit of modification in bash, but i'm unsuited to do that, haven't used bash in years |
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| 16:16.11 | et | er |
| 16:16.15 | et | that $f should be $i |
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| 16:17.24 | et | (actually, that first bit would be b=$PWD:t but i think that is even un-bashier) |
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| 16:24.52 | infinityloop | any recommended guy to edit fstab? |
| 16:25.01 | infinityloop | a part from pysdm |
| 16:25.09 | infinityloop | gui |
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| 16:25.59 | reavengrey | You can use "nano" |
| 16:27.59 | infinityloop | reavengrey: :D |
| 16:28.13 | infinityloop | gui gui |
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| 16:28.48 | infinityloop | ok side question, Im using LVM and I have my main drive encrypted, now first thing I would like to do is to move /swap in to the ram |
| 16:29.11 | cirrus] | I know that Debian is for people that want stable distro, but everything in repos is so ... outdated! |
| 16:29.35 | cirrus] | and experimental contains only experimental versions |
| 16:29.46 | reavengrey | Damn |
| 16:29.59 | reavengrey | You lying to us? |
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| 16:30.12 | reavengrey | I wouldn't have guessed myself :< |
| 16:30.22 | MouseTheLuckyDog | II have a questrion about aptitude search. |
| 16:30.25 | cirrus] | how can I get normal, not-outdated packages? |
| 16:30.48 | MouseTheLuckyDog | When I do an aptitude search I get output which looks like: |
| 16:31.01 | MouseTheLuckyDog | p package ... |
| 16:31.13 | MouseTheLuckyDog | i package:i386 ... |
| 16:31.33 | MouseTheLuckyDog | What do the p/i mean what does the i386 mean? |
| 16:32.07 | MouseTheLuckyDog | SInce when I start synaptic and search I only find package and not package:i386. |
| 16:32.37 | reavengrey | Idk what the p package and i package are |
| 16:32.43 | reavengrey | but i386 is the cpu architecture |
| 16:33.01 | reavengrey | it basically means "32-bit intel cpu" |
| 16:33.52 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Sorry, I reversed i and p in my output. I get the 32 bit part by why is it even printing it. |
| 16:34.31 | reavengrey | on a 64-bit system, it matters |
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| 16:34.47 | reavengrey | because the CPU can run both 32 and 64 bit programs "natively" |
| 16:35.02 | Vicissitude | cirrus], you could switch to a rolling distro |
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| 16:36.15 | cirrus] | Vicissitude, what is rolling distro? |
| 16:36.19 | cirrus] | oh, I know |
| 16:36.25 | cirrus] | is Sid rolling distro? |
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| 16:37.12 | cirrus] | (I know, perhaps it's the noobiest question asked there) |
| 16:37.16 | Vicissitude | uh, no. Sid isn't a distro. I was thinking something like ubuntu/mint that have a more frequent release system |
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| 16:41.13 | cirrus] | Vicissitude, but I hate ubuntu! it was OK with it's freshness, but I don't like ubuntu |
| 16:41.31 | Vicissitude | I don't blame you. :) |
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| 16:43.13 | infinityloop | any recommendations for a alfred or quicksilver like? |
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| 16:43.29 | infinityloop | launch seems to be the closest match |
| 16:43.32 | infinityloop | launchy |
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| 16:43.52 | cirrus] | aww, I want some Debian-based (with deb packages) distro with fresh packages and that isn't ubuntu |
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| 16:43.56 | cirrus] | is it too much? |
| 16:44.03 | cirrus] | oh, and it must have xfce |
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| 16:44.16 | infinityloop | cirrus]: try fuduntu |
| 16:44.22 | voxluna | cirrus, you could just do a netinst and pull what what you want. |
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| 16:45.21 | voxluna | then your media only has the bare essentials to install, and pull the latest packages depending on which ones you choose. I've used it a lot, just run tasksel for simple choices or if you're a real masochist, do debselect ;) |
| 16:46.10 | voxluna | it seems there is a distro that uses XFCE, but I can't recall. if you're pressed for time I'd look for distros with it. if not, I'd roll my own. |
| 16:46.10 | cirrus] | voxluna, but I will still have outdated packages from repo/I won't have updates |
| 16:46.25 | cirrus] | and I can't roll a distro :( |
| 16:46.28 | voxluna | cirrus], I came in late to this party... will you have no net access to update? |
| 16:46.46 | voxluna | well when I say roll that's informal, not like a gentoo build (*shudder*() |
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| 16:47.02 | cirrus] | no, if I will pull manages manually, then I won't have automatic updates through apt-get update |
| 16:47.05 | cirrus] | and upgrade |
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| 16:47.54 | voxluna | I don't see why not... when I've used netinst, it's like a 50MB file to CD-boot off of, you get your base installed, it asks what else you want, I don't know why it wouldn't be subject to aptitude update or whatever your poison |
| 16:48.39 | voxluna | unless I am missing a big part of the picture. it's scrolled away and I really should be getting ready here. story of my life... ;) |
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| 16:48.54 | i4c | compiz + ezoom plugin did the trick babilen |
| 16:49.01 | Vicissitude | cirrus], given your wishes, Mint seems appropriate. |
| 16:50.00 | l0p3n | Hello! I'm trying to figure out how to disable zeroconf. So far I've removed avahi from runlevel 2, 3, 4 and 5. I have also removed the route 169.254.0.0/16 using ip route. But this route is still showing up after a reboot. What can I do to disable it? |
| 16:50.45 | cirrus] | Vicissitude, LMDE switched to mate/cinnamon, I can of course download xfce, it's not a problem, but I will have lots of packages eating my resources without need |
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| 16:51.56 | Vicissitude | you can always remove those |
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| 16:54.43 | cirrus] | hmm |
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| 16:56.02 | cirrus] | and I guess that I have to format my hard drive and reinstall full distribution? |
| 16:57.00 | Vicissitude | it's what *i* would do but i'm overly paranoid |
| 16:57.10 | cirrus] | Vicissitude, so am I |
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| 16:57.45 | cirrus] | aww, wait. I would have to set up crypting manually |
| 16:57.49 | jelly-home | cirrus]: the amount of imperative in "have to format and reinstall full" is inversely proportional to your knowledge of linux |
| 16:58.06 | cirrus] | jelly-home, same with Windows :P |
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| 16:58.53 | jelly-home | a few years from now you might be able to say "haven't reinstalled this setup since 2001" |
| 16:59.09 | jelly-home | or 2013 in your case |
| 16:59.22 | cirrus] | :D I hope that I will reach this point |
| 16:59.51 | cirrus] | well, I guess I can resist |
| 17:00.02 | cirrus] | what is few old packages? |
| 17:00.22 | BCMM | does the kde-desktop task come with a graphical package manager? |
| 17:00.43 | cirrus] | I love Debian, so far it has everything I need |
| 17:00.49 | cirrus] | so why would I switch? |
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| 17:02.57 | i4c | i have a few questions, do all versions of debian have stable, unstable, testing, experimental repositories, or just unreleased have them like jessy and wheezy ? |
| 17:03.00 | jelly-home | BCMM: http://wiki.debian.org/NewInWheezy says "PackageKit replaces the previous graphical package management stack on GNOME, Apper is used for package management on KDE" |
| 17:03.14 | jelly-home | BCMM: but that's for the upcoming release. |
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| 17:03.31 | BCMM | jelly-home: how about in debian 6? |
| 17:03.56 | JordiGH | Anyone in Mtl? |
| 17:04.06 | JordiGH | I can't believe we don't have a wheezy party setup yet. |
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| 17:07.02 | jelly-home | BCMM: no idea, I didn't use kde at that time |
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| 17:14.37 | [TheFlash] | hi, there appears to be a problem with powernowd on squeeze |
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| 17:15.14 | [TheFlash] | the boot order is wrong, so powernowd gets started before the sysfs cpufreq drivers |
| 17:15.25 | [TheFlash] | so it doesn't work, it has to be manually started later |
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| 17:19.07 | Mahjongg | hello, I am having trouble changing the sound card in alsamixer. My changes are not saved, even after an alsactl store as root. Wheezy here... |
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| 17:21.54 | reavengrey | Mahjongg: As in, you have more than one sounds card |
| 17:22.04 | reavengrey | And you want to set a particular one as your default? |
| 17:22.12 | Mahjongg | yes |
| 17:22.24 | Mahjongg | there is a HP 4120 SIP phone connected through usb |
| 17:22.28 | reavengrey | Kk, the way to go about doing that is to edit /etc/asound.conf |
| 17:22.37 | Mahjongg | it has defaulted so all sound is coming from my telephone |
| 17:22.38 | reavengrey | There are two files you can edit: |
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| 17:22.43 | reavengrey | ~/.asoundrc |
| 17:22.47 | reavengrey | OR /etc/asound.conf |
| 17:23.11 | reavengrey | /etc/asound.conf is the global config for alsa for setting up mixers |
| 17:23.28 | reavengrey | You want to define a mixer that references the card you want, and set that mixer as the system default |
| 17:24.01 | reavengrey | ...Don't ask me about the syntax, I don't remember it \o/ More linux obscurity crap |
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| 17:25.54 | giogio | ciao |
| 17:26.05 | [TheFlash] | is there any way to change the boot order of the init scripts? |
| 17:26.21 | reavengrey | IIRC change the number before the name |
| 17:26.25 | reavengrey | S<N>foo |
| 17:26.46 | [TheFlash] | reavengrey: i tried that, but if it ever gets reconfigured, the old name returns |
| 17:26.59 | giogio | !list |
| 17:26.59 | dpkg | giogio: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 17:27.27 | reavengrey | Oh, well sorry then, can't offer more personally |
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| 17:28.12 | jfbouchard | Hello ! I am member of the adm group on a machine and trying to get root access to install some tools. sudo is not install on the machine and I dont have su - password. What adm group gives then ? |
| 17:29.24 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: Because of the new parallel startup, the order number doesn't matter any more. You have to go into the script headers and tell the system that it requires cpufreqd. |
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| 17:29.56 | [TheFlash] | jhutchins_wk: thanks, i'll try that |
| 17:30.05 | reavengrey | thanks :O |
| 17:30.15 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, I see, fancy nick. Sorry reavengrey. |
| 17:30.21 | reavengrey | \o/ |
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| 17:31.33 | Mahjongg | /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc does not exist. Somewhere else it must reading the default card, no? |
| 17:31.41 | Mahjongg | reavengrey, ^ |
| 17:32.09 | reavengrey | Well, ALSA auto detects and configures correctly most of the time |
| 17:32.20 | reavengrey | It's like how there is no X config file in recent debians |
| 17:32.33 | jelly-home | jfbouchard: not much, read access to some restricted log files in /var/log/. |
| 17:32.36 | reavengrey | I needed to create an /etc/asound.conf manually for this laptop |
| 17:32.47 | reavengrey | Idk, I can paste it for you |
| 17:32.51 | Mahjongg | reavengrey, I see |
| 17:32.58 | Mahjongg | actually that would be very helpful |
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| 17:33.29 | reavengrey | http://codepad.org/KDiwbmtg |
| 17:33.44 | reavengrey | Laptop has 2 cards, Generic and Generic_1 |
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| 17:34.11 | reavengrey | Generic is actually HDMI output, so since ALSA used it by default, all my sounds was being sent to the HDMI out |
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| 17:34.33 | reavengrey | I made that to direct ALSA to use the laptop speakers by default |
| 17:35.14 | jelly-home | nice... names on those cards :-| |
| 17:35.19 | jfbouchard | jelly-home, do I need to be a member of the group adm to do su - ? |
| 17:35.29 | reavengrey | >.< |
| 17:35.30 | jelly-home | jfbouchard: no, just know the root password |
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| 17:35.54 | jfbouchard | jelly-home, is the installer setup a root password by default or its like ubuntu ? |
| 17:36.14 | jelly-home | jfbouchard: it should have asked you to type it in |
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| 17:36.29 | [TheFlash] | it worked, powernowd works fine now |
| 17:36.31 | jelly-home | it seems that bit is often skipped |
| 17:36.31 | jfbouchard | jelly-home, thanks a lot of the info ;-) |
| 17:36.40 | Mahjongg | format is the same for both /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc? |
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| 17:37.08 | [TheFlash] | although it would be good if the init script had "loadcpufreq" as a dependancy by default |
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| 17:37.43 | [TheFlash] | i'm running squeeze (stable) btw |
| 17:39.02 | [TheFlash] | thanks again |
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| 17:45.10 | pswrdf | Hello. I want to reinstall debian from disk. But I no need to remove files from my /home partition. What any advice for that? |
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| 17:54.16 | truko22 | hello moto o/ |
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| 17:56.23 | mastro | I've an SD Card from which I recovered data after the photographic machine went down while writing. I'm now trying to recover the card which is supposed to be of 2 GB. Nautilus and dh are showing me that 1.2 gb are taken but there's no file in it. testdisk say "Warning: Bad starting sector (CHS and LBA don't match)" -- any hint? |
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| 17:59.59 | jelly-home | mastro: first, make a complete image of the card using dd or ddrescue to a file |
| 18:00.26 | i4c | can unstable repo packages be installed on any version of debian ? |
| 18:00.33 | jelly-home | mastro: then make a second copy of the image, and work on that, keep the first intact <g> |
| 18:01.05 | IchEsseDichAuf | hi, my package system is broken or something. http://pastebin.com/x2ccPAWH |
| 18:01.06 | jelly-home | i4c: no |
| 18:01.37 | i4c | only on testing distros jelly-home ? |
| 18:01.42 | i4c | like wheezy ? |
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| 18:02.07 | i4c | or the newer one jesse |
| 18:02.32 | jelly-home | i4c: packages for unstable are meant to be used with unstable only. |
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| 18:03.04 | mastro | jelly-home, I see good suggestion |
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| 18:06.13 | jelly-home | i4c: perhaps you might be interesting in reading these: /msg dpkg backports; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:15.51 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: is this system mid-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 18:16.20 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: yes |
| 18:17.03 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: do you perhaps have any logs of what happened up to that point, as well? |
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| 18:20.42 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: sorry for my lack of knowledge but what kind of logs did you mean? |
| 18:21.18 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: output of the upgrade |
| 18:21.35 | i4c | oh i see jelly-home , i always thought sid was a old operating system, rather then the codename of unstable |
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| 18:22.39 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: upgrade was fine, system runs about month perfect |
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| 18:23.10 | i4c | thank you for your answers wobbly jelly-home ;) |
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| 18:24.31 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: all right, then it is not really in the middle of the upgrade |
| 18:24.41 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: i just made some updates and the last thing i made was installing dnsmasq iptables hostapd and some wireless-tools |
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| 18:25.44 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l debconf perl-base perl-modules perl apt-utils whiptail libc6 dpkg", "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy debconf perl-base perl-modules perl" |
| 18:25.44 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: oh, yes, sorry, i misunderstood you |
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| 18:27.46 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: oh, and, since the output says "Perl may be unconfigured", follow that with a "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 18:29.27 | IchEsseDichAuf | http://pastebin.com/DsxrfKCF http://pastebin.com/3RpTaV8T http://pastebin.com/JAQbCqwX http://pastebin.com/S318TWQZ |
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| 18:36.14 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: hm, nothing obvious |
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| 18:37.02 | i4c | i have 1 more question will wheezy also have a non-free purged kernel, like squeeze ? |
| 18:37.20 | jhutchins_wk | Perhaps aptitude -f install? |
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| 18:39.25 | con571 | Can you recommend a free dynamic dns service that has a client for debian? |
| 18:39.51 | BCMM | dnsdynamic.org and ddclient |
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| 18:44.29 | jhutchins_wk | I have a swap partition who's name is likely to change next boot. How can I label it in the fstab so it still gets mounted properly? |
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| 18:44.57 | jhutchins_wk | Device name. |
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| 18:46.21 | Roenie | if you can hook up that drive prior |
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| 18:46.42 | Roenie | get the device ID and mount it that way in fstab |
| 18:46.48 | Roenie | then make the change |
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| 18:47.05 | Kobaz | hmm... postgresql-common: Breaks: logrotate (>= 3.8) but 3.8.1-1 is to be installed |
| 18:47.11 | Kobaz | why would that be a problem? |
| 18:47.27 | stojic | jhutchins_wk: arch has a neat article on this, it should apply to any distro: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Persistent_block_device_naming |
| 18:47.52 | Roenie | jhutchins_wk, if you know the drive's ID (UUID, is it?) you don't need to know the /dev/whatever |
| 18:48.01 | BCMM_ | con571: sorry, i'm at a real keyboard now. i've been using ddclient to update a dnsdynamic.org account on my raspberry pi and i basically haven't met a single problem so far |
| 18:48.14 | BCMM_ | ^for several months now |
| 18:48.40 | BCMM_ | jhutchins_wk: using UUIDs |
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| 18:49.13 | Roenie | instead of /dev/blah you have UUID=blah in fstab |
| 18:49.14 | BCMM_ | jhutchins_wk: http://wiki.debian.org/fstab#UUIDs |
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| 18:51.51 | BCMM_ | jhutchins_wk: by the way i don't know why blkid needs to be run as root when "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" gives similar results |
| 18:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kobaz, I guess you're asking for http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-depends ... or why "breaks" is set at this place |
| 18:53.41 | con571 | BCMM_: OK thanks, i will give it a try |
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| 18:58.54 | Kobaz | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll take a look, thanks |
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| 19:01.31 | Kobaz | CutMeOwnThroat: whoops, yeah i misread i had assumed depends and my mind ignored the breaks |
| 19:02.06 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: what about strace -eopen -f dpkg --configure man-db |
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| 19:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions logrotate |
| 19:03.20 | judd | Package: logrotate on i386 -- squeeze: 3.7.8-6; wheezy: 3.8.1-4; sid: 3.8.3-3 |
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| 19:07.52 | con571 | BCMM_: Im trying to find settings for the configuration of ddclient with dnsdynamic but cant find any. Any hints? |
| 19:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kobaz, as to the why... I guess because of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640493 |
| 19:08.17 | BCMM_ | con571: hang on i'll sanitise mine and pastebin it |
| 19:08.58 | con571 | BCMM_: no worries, just found a sample configuration at their site. I've overlooked it |
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| 19:09.35 | BCMM_ | con571: thought they had one somewhere... good luck |
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| 19:12.35 | jhutchins_wk | The issue appears to be that I'm dealing with a release who's tools don't do UUID for swap. I might be able to do it with parted but I don't know parted. |
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| 19:13.03 | jhutchins_wk | 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 19:13.25 | DammitJim | once Wheezy is released, do I have to change stuff on my sources list? I think I have mine labeled as wheezy... I guess there isn't anything I would need to do, right? |
| 19:13.36 | DammitJim | only people who have it tagged as testing... |
| 19:13.49 | somiaj | DammitJim: and it is not suggested you use the links, but the codenames |
| 19:14.02 | somiaj | DammitJim: all the links will point to the their next codename after the release |
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| 19:14.17 | DammitJim | links meaning testing? |
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| 19:14.34 | somiaj | oldstable, stable, testing and unstable |
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| 19:14.38 | somiaj | (though unstable always points at sid) |
| 19:14.39 | DammitJim | got it |
| 19:15.04 | DammitJim | does sid automatically become testing once wheezy is marked stable (released)? |
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| 19:15.24 | somiaj | no |
| 19:15.32 | somiaj | jessie will be an exact copy of wheezy |
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| 19:15.49 | somiaj | (but once the flood gates are unlocked in the first days many new packages will flow from experiementail -> sid -> jessie |
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| 19:16.09 | DammitJim | sounds like a lot of work |
| 19:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder if sid should be called "staging" instead of "unstable". Unstable describes it correctly, but implies that it is a realease as a whole. |
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| 19:16.34 | DammitJim | wheezy will be Debian 7, right? |
| 19:16.37 | DammitJim | gosh, so many names :D |
| 19:16.42 | smw | DammitJim, yep |
| 19:17.07 | Linuturk | DammitJim: I'm a doctor, not a milkman! |
| 19:17.10 | Linuturk | couldn't help myself |
| 19:17.30 | SARC | I would like to have a higher resolution command-line interface. I know that using vga=789 is deprecated, but setting GRUB_GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD to 1024x768 has no effect either. What am I doing wrong here? |
| 19:17.36 | DammitJim | I'm not a doctor, I'm a confused Linux user |
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| 19:17.43 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: though sid is as much of a release as testing. It isn't like experimential that doesn't have a full set of libaries or packages to run only by itself. |
| 19:18.55 | BCMM_ | SARC: what sort of graphics card have you got? |
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| 19:19.39 | DammitJim | man, I heard that Wheezy is going to have Facebook installed on it |
| 19:19.43 | DammitJim | LOL |
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| 19:19.52 | DammitJim | I gotta stop drinking this kool-aid |
| 19:20.10 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.51 | sevenfourk | drink water. |
| 19:21.15 | BCMM_ | SARC: (i ask because with KMS, the default is a native resolution linux VT) |
| 19:21.32 | con571 | BCMM_: on the first update of ddclient it pushed the internal ip of the network and not the external. Am i missing something? |
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| 19:22.27 | BCMM_ | con571: do you have a line that looks like: use=web, web=myip.dnsdynamic.com |
| 19:22.31 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: here some strace output http://pastebin.com/Lc1PnBjW |
| 19:22.33 | SARC | BCMM_: its an integrated intel.... the old (deprecated) vga=789 works with the nag |
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| 19:23.17 | SARC | BCMM_: The other two options makes the grub screen higher resolutoin, but when debian loads the resolution changes back to the lower resolution |
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| 19:24.53 | jhutchins_wk | Does lvm do non-contiguous partitions if you want to expand a mid-disk partition to space at the end, or does it move all the following data over? |
| 19:25.12 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: alright, what does "file /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm" say? |
| 19:25.58 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: if you look at the file with less, does it look like perl code? |
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| 19:26.11 | BCMM_ | con571: and does your syslog have a line like updating subdomain.dnsdynamic.net: good: IP address set to <something> |
| 19:26.39 | james___ | How can I make xorg/gdm detect the correct resolution using the free ati drivers? it's completely wrong |
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| 19:27.37 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: nope, looks like c header |
| 19:28.00 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: it looks as if your filesystem is corrupted, and contents of /usr/include/zconf.h are present instead of the correct file |
| 19:28.09 | IchEsseDichAuf | yes |
| 19:28.41 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: fsck, after that reinstall the package containing that file; dpkg -S /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm |
| 19:29.54 | con571 | BCMM_: actually can't find the ddclient.conf file which is wierd |
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| 19:31.07 | BCMM_ | con571: /etc/ddclient.conf on my machine (raspbian, so basically wheezy) |
| 19:31.16 | kristijonas | hello, audacity doesn't play any sounds... using alsa, not pulseaudio.. |
| 19:31.18 | BCMM_ | con571: it's not user-readable by default, since it has passwords in |
| 19:32.13 | con571 | BCMM_: got it but no use=web |
| 19:32.35 | con571 | BCMM_: let me try your settings and re-run it |
| 19:32.40 | BCMM_ | con571: i thought you were basing yours on their example file? |
| 19:32.46 | BCMM_ | con571: https://www.dnsdynamic.org/download/ddclient.conf |
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| 19:33.19 | con571 | BCMM_: after installint it i followed the graphical setup and thought that would do the trick |
| 19:33.47 | BCMM_ | con571: iirc that didn't work for me |
| 19:34.03 | BCMM_ | con571: i think it assumes your on the 'net directly (thus using the machine's own ip addr) |
| 19:34.16 | BCMM_ | con571: i'm using pretty much that example file, no point me posting my own redacted file |
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| 19:35.11 | kristijonas | can someone help me? |
| 19:35.28 | james___ | don't ask to ask ;) |
| 19:35.49 | kristijonas | audacity doesn't play any sounds... using alsa, not pulseaudio. <<< |
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| 19:35.56 | james___ | is it exclusive to audacity? |
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| 19:36.28 | bwen | there is a user "irc" in my passwd and i'm trying to figure out what is it used for... This is on a server, any ideas? |
| 19:36.32 | BCMM_ | james___: #radeon may be able to help, if nobody here suggests anything |
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| 19:36.52 | Buumi | I'm having a problem with wheezy 64bit, my system is crashing occasionally, usually when i'm not at the computer, I tried to reinstall thinking it was my own fault but that didn't help, it still crashed. From my old install that was the syslog: http://paste.debian.net/55, not from latest crash as it seems it didn't get into logs , my system is intel i3 2350m and intel hd 3000. Is that some known issue? |
| 19:37.07 | BCMM_ | james___: also pastebin your xrandr output |
| 19:37.14 | james___ | I'll go ask there then, giving debian a try and I've never had this issue with any other distro |
| 19:37.22 | con571 | BCMM_: yeah got it thanks very much buddy. |
| 19:37.27 | BCMM_ | con571: np |
| 19:37.41 | BCMM_ | james___: well, pastebin your xrandr in case it's something obvious |
| 19:37.58 | BCMM_ | james___: and do you have an xorg.conf at all? |
| 19:38.05 | james___ | http://pastebin.com/8hMgPD6x here |
| 19:38.39 | james___ | I'm using a 2560x1600 montior by the way and I don't, when I tried to generate one it was just blank |
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| 19:41.12 | zykotick9 | bwen: i believe that "irc" account must get created during installation. I certainly have one as well, and i don't have any irc daemons installed |
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| 19:41.26 | kristijonas | can someone help me? |
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| 19:41.58 | Linuturk | kristijonas: what's the problem? don't ask to ask, just ask your quesiton :) |
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| 19:42.03 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: oh, that's nice. thank you a lot, you're saint |
| 19:42.03 | bwen | zykotick9: it just looks suspicious to me and I cant find more info on the web tubes |
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| 19:42.05 | james___ | BCMM_: and when I tried to add a new mode I got this warning: http://pastebin.com/sEaMEhmt |
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| 19:42.25 | kristijonas | "audacity doesn't play any sounds... using alsa, not pulseaudio. <<<" <<< |
| 19:42.42 | Linuturk | is it muted in alsamixer? |
| 19:43.00 | kristijonas | Linuturk : how should I check? |
| 19:43.12 | unborn | terminal... |
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| 19:43.29 | Linuturk | http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting kristijonas might help |
| 19:43.42 | IchEsseDichAuf | jelly-home: i got my packages right |
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| 19:44.44 | kristijonas | Linuturk: it's only the AudaCity problem that does not play out any sounds.. |
| 19:44.59 | BCMM_ | james___: nice monitor... sure your graphics card supports such a resolution? |
| 19:45.30 | james___ | BCMM_: haha, thanks - and yeah it does |
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| 19:46.08 | BCMM_ | james___: so i guess you can't switch to the final setting in xrandr? |
| 19:46.35 | james___ | BCMM_: it complains about not having enough space |
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| 19:46.57 | BCMM_ | james___: i think i'm out of my depth - i haven't seen a format like 2560x1600_60.00 before |
| 19:47.35 | james___ | I added that myself, via --addmode |
| 19:48.00 | james___ | BCMM_: but thanks for trying anyhow :) |
| 19:48.41 | BCMM_ | james___: #radeon is relatively low-traffic but actual driver developers are probably lurking and answers tend to happen eventually |
| 19:48.49 | jelly-home | IchEsseDichAuf: might want to install and run debsums, see if there's any other confused file sitting in the wrong place |
| 19:49.07 | james___ | BCMM_: it wouldn't let me send messages there *shrug* |
| 19:49.22 | BCMM_ | james___: you probably need to be identified with services |
| 19:49.26 | james___ | BCMM_: I'd imagine that's why it's low traffic, eh |
| 19:49.39 | BCMM_ | james___: lots of channels have that restriction |
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| 19:49.56 | BCMM_ | james___: actually lots of really high-traffic ones, just to prevent spam |
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| 19:50.05 | james___ | BCMM_: need to pullup my old freenode account then |
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| 19:51.30 | yctn | Hello what can i do when i have an ddos attack on a debian server |
| 19:51.51 | ompaul | ask upstream to help |
| 19:51.57 | yctn | i have Many ip adresses sending me 120 mbit a sec (connection is 100 mbit) |
| 19:52.02 | yctn | you mean upstream myu provider? |
| 19:52.08 | ompaul | yes |
| 19:52.11 | yctn | i already did |
| 19:52.23 | yctn | within 2/3 minets after the start i recieved a mail about it |
| 19:52.30 | yctn | i was just wandering is there anything i can do ? |
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| 19:52.55 | jelly-home | not really; just drop the ddos traffic in the meantime |
| 19:53.06 | james___ | yctb_: can you get access to hardware ddos mitigation? |
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| 19:54.27 | unborn | yctn, drop the ddos packets..there is nothing much to do.. perhaps put some machine upfront of server it self |
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| 19:57.59 | james____ | BCMM_: took the easy way out and used the proprietary drivers |
| 19:58.09 | BCMM_ | james____: good luck with those |
| 19:58.15 | BCMM_ | well, i've heard they're better than they used to be |
| 19:58.22 | james____ | BCMM_: yeah, i'll need it .__. |
| 19:58.58 | BCMM_ | james____: if you use freenode at all regularly, identifying with services is probably hte easier way out... |
| 19:59.14 | kristijonas | so yea, can someone help me? |
| 19:59.27 | james____ | BCMM_: not set up a proper irc client on this box yet ;) |
| 19:59.41 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm looking for dssi-vst for wheezy, but it looks like it's gone. has it been integrated into another package or something? |
| 19:59.52 | james____ | kristijonas: it's hard to know what your problem is |
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| 20:00.25 | BCMM_ | james____: you can just /msg nickserv to identify |
| 20:00.28 | kristijonas | " "audacity doesn't play any sounds... using alsa, not pulseaudio. <<<" <<< " <<< |
| 20:00.32 | BCMM_ | you don't have to do the server password thing |
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| 20:00.54 | james____ | kristijonas: yes, but that doesn't describe what the issue actually is |
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| 20:01.16 | james____ | I will later, haha - off to do some ricing anyway |
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| 20:01.43 | kristijonas | james____, it does explain what I am experiencing, and what my issue is. |
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| 20:02.32 | james____ | kristijonas: which, version of debian are you running? |
| 20:02.48 | kristijonas | james____, 6.0.6 |
| 20:03.05 | SARC | id like to know how to disable boot from looking for an i8042 controller |
| 20:03.09 | james____ | kristijonas: architecture wise |
| 20:03.33 | kristijonas | james____, what do you mean? |
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| 20:11.44 | kristijonas | can someone help me? |
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| 20:15.37 | davexunit | kristijonas: you should just ask your question directly. you'll have better luck getting a response. |
| 20:16.23 | kristijonas | "" "audacity doesn't play any sounds... using alsa, not pulseaudio. <<<" <<< " <<<" <<< |
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| 20:19.24 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 20:19.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:22.14 | kristijonas | well, okay. |
| 20:22.14 | BCMM_ | petn-randall: he meant it as a nag, rather than "asking to ask" - he's asked several times before |
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| 20:23.35 | kristijonas | I'm just a bit tired that whatever you do, Debian ALWAYS has sound problems. |
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| 20:30.04 | dfx | hello |
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| 20:36.48 | e-anima | i am trying to acces my NAS. any ideas how to AUTH myself. it requires user,pass on the folder |
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| 20:39.52 | vampi-the-frog | any idea why libwine-jack and dssi-vst have been removed from wheezy? |
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| 20:45.04 | misternanyte | ah well i'm back in winblows :( i haven't figured out how to fix the "no component found" thing trying to start up xwin after installing fglrx drivers |
| 20:46.00 | petn-randall | e-anima: What part of your problem is debian-related? |
| 20:47.34 | petn-randall | kristijonas: Sound works perfectly for me. Instead of repeating half a sentence of statement, how about you tell us what debian version you're running? |
| 20:47.54 | kristijonas | petn-randall, 6.0.6 |
| 20:48.30 | petn-randall | kristijonas: What devices do you have selected for output? Are you running any other sound output at the same time? |
| 20:48.54 | petn-randall | kristijonas: Does it work when you close all other programs? Does sound output work with other programs? |
| 20:49.31 | kristijonas | petn-randall, I haven't selected actually anything. that's integrated sound card, and it works with all but Audacity. |
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| 20:50.48 | kristijonas | petn-randall, pretty much anything that I install and anything that uses sounds, after installing it, installs Pulse-Audio, and they it's a total mess. but since I've been taught on this channel and i shoudn't be using pulseausio, I delete it every time after installing some programs. |
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| 20:53.44 | petn-randall | kristijonas: my audacity has a pull down menu for selecting the output device. Have you tried them all through yet? |
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| 20:54.25 | welch | hey folks, anyone have a suggestion for how to fix this problem with an lvm snapshot that is apparently crashed? when I do lvremove -f /dev/VirtualServers/snapshot_backup I get Can't remove merging snapshot logical volume "snapshot_backup" |
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| 20:54.57 | petn-randall | kristijonas: Also, depending on your sound device it may not accept audio in that sampling rate, and may not be able to play several streams at once. |
| 20:55.12 | petn-randall | kristijonas: This would be one of the cases where it makes sense to use pulseaudio. |
| 20:55.29 | kristijonas | petn-randall, thank you... it helped.. |
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| 20:58.19 | misternanyte | hey i have this virus intsalled on my computer that really makes me vulnerable to attacks from hackers and corporate greed... what do I do? |
| 20:58.24 | LorenzoMoney | is puppy a version of debian? |
| 20:59.39 | yctn | misternanyte are you on debian? |
| 20:59.41 | yctn | or whats ur OS |
| 20:59.54 | misternanyte | no debian can't really get a virus like that... and well the virus is called windows 7 |
| 20:59.56 | misternanyte | haha. |
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| 21:00.06 | petn-randall | kristijonas: Cool, what was the problem? |
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| 21:00.20 | LorenzoMoney | Is Puppy a version of Debian? |
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| 21:00.28 | petn-randall | LorenzoMoney: No. |
| 21:00.58 | kristijonas | petn-randall, Playback Device was the problem. |
| 21:01.04 | LorenzoMoney | petn-randall: Thank you |
| 21:01.48 | petn-randall | kristijonas: Ah, I see. For the future, if you have a question, provide a few sentences of context for your problem to make it attactive for someone who can help to 'bite'. |
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| 21:03.23 | petn-randall | kristijonas: It's also considered rude to spam the channel with the same text over and over. If somebody doesn't answer straight away, wait 30 mins before you ask again. |
| 21:03.46 | kristijonas | petn-randall, i'll keep it in mind :) Thank you. |
| 21:03.52 | petn-randall | kristijonas: But that aside: Glad it worked out for you. Have fun! :) |
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| 21:10.27 | Artej | hi! |
| 21:10.34 | Towzzer | hi |
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| 21:10.38 | Towzzer | word up |
| 21:10.52 | Artej | How do I see wlan connection log |
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| 21:11.35 | Artej | wlan is not connecting and there is no error mesage :/ |
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| 21:12.56 | voxluna | Artej, you should be able to look at it in /var/log/wlan or something, you may need to sudo to see it. what distro? |
| 21:13.17 | petn-randall | Well, this is #debian, right? |
| 21:13.51 | petn-randall | Artej: /var/log/syslog is probably the log you want to check. |
| 21:14.14 | Artej | petn-randall: thx |
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| 21:16.21 | voxluna | petn-randall, now you now it's not usually that easy. ;) I was just trying to help because no one else spoke up. |
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| 21:16.43 | voxluna | that said, your answer is better and I am betting you know more about this OS than I do... |
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| 21:25.37 | zykotick9 | voxluna: fyi, only debian is supported in #debian, so "what distro?" is a quasi-redundant question. if they are using something else, then they need to be directed to the appropriate channel :) |
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| 21:28.55 | zykotick9 | yctn: my "apt-cache search cloudflare" has no results in wheezy, i'm guess it's not in debian repositories and thus, 1) isn't supported here and 2) you'd need to add some 3rd party repo to get it with apt-get (see #1) |
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| 21:33.59 | misternanyte | attempts to install colinux |
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| 21:41.34 | pupil | excuse me, what is dfsg, and bpo in our debian package version? |
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| 21:44.43 | zykotick9 | pupil: dfsg is typically Debian Free Software Guidelines, while bpo is Back Ports.Org |
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| 21:49.05 | ging | if i want to build a package, which will have another custom package as a build depenancy, what do i need to do with that other package to allow it to be pulled into my build enviroment ? |
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| 21:50.47 | jordanm | ging, you mean with pbuilder? |
| 21:50.54 | somiaj | ging: what do you mean pulled into your build enviorment? |
| 21:51.07 | jalalsfs | How can I list all the packages in debian repositories with aptitude? |
| 21:51.37 | somiaj | ging: you should just have to install the package (or -dev package) and it will then use it to build against. |
| 21:53.06 | somiaj | jalalsfs: aptitude search ~i \!i |
| 21:53.14 | somiaj | jalalsfs: that will lista ll installed and not installed packages |
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| 21:53.23 | somiaj | jalalsfs: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html (is useful for searching with aptitude) |
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| 21:53.44 | somiaj | guess aptitude search ~T is better |
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| 21:55.33 | basic6 | What does this message wants to tell me? (appeared after apt-get installing something, but also in some logs) error connecting unexpected lack of content trying to read a line |
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| 21:56.49 | ging | somiaj: what is -dev? |
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| 21:57.26 | jalalsfs | somiaj, Thank you, I want that packages which suitable with my architecture, amd 64. |
| 21:57.43 | ging | i don't want to install the package onto my build machine |
| 21:58.01 | somiaj | ging: libfoo-dev packages, usually what is needed to link packages together (but not the only way) |
| 21:58.36 | somiaj | ging: is this depends not needed at build time? If so that should just edding the corect files in debian/ |
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| 22:00.33 | chemistrydioxide | Hi, can someone tell me how I can enable IPv6 privacy extensions on my debian system? |
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| 22:01.17 | chemistrydioxide | sysctl net.ipv6.conf.eth0.use_tempaddr=2 does not work for me |
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| 22:01.45 | txomon|home | hi, I have asked this several times: my computer is lowind down a lot |
| 22:02.03 | txomon|home | slowing* |
| 22:02.31 | txomon|home | This happens when I boot the computer |
| 22:02.59 | ging | somiaj: it is needed at build time, but it installs everything listed in build-depends in my build envorment so it can build |
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| 22:03.11 | txomon|home | /usr/lib/packagekt/packagekitd takes 140% of cpu load (i5 4 cores) sometime, other, policykitd does the same |
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| 22:03.28 | ging | but it can't find it because it's not a package in a repository |
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| 22:03.42 | Dagger2 | chemistrydioxide: that should work, assuming you're using SLAAC |
| 22:04.06 | chemistrydioxide | SLAAC? What is SLAAC? |
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| 22:04.18 | txomon|home | other, chromium takes 220% of cpu... I am getting nut, I can't identify the problem |
| 22:04.39 | misternanyte | hi uh, anyone know how to change the FB option for grub in debiain 6.0.7? |
| 22:04.53 | Dagger2 | chemistrydioxide: it's what you're using if you're not using static config or DHCPv6 |
| 22:04.58 | dfx | hello guys i want to use status info with dwm but when i put the status file in the dwm and try to compile i get errors plus im sure i need to call those functions in the main function anyone can link me to some guides |
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| 22:05.48 | well_laid_lawn | dfx: tried suckless.org ? |
| 22:05.50 | Dagger2 | chemistrydioxide: looks like you have have to take the interface down and up to make that sysctl take effect too |
| 22:05.57 | misternanyte | as soon as wheezy comes out i will never get rid of it or upgrade to something else... and i will always keep this computer |
| 22:06.13 | misternanyte | to the users in here: do not get rid of a stable debian inst even if ur computer is ancient |
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| 22:06.43 | blackmirroxx1 | hi |
| 22:06.59 | chemistrydioxide | I'm not sure whether I'm using SLAAC or DHCPv6; However taking the if down and up didn't work |
| 22:07.11 | somiaj | ging: is your build enviroment just a chroot, you can just install the package inside of it |
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| 22:07.21 | dfx | well_laid_lawn: yesh i was there they just give the file thats all |
| 22:07.29 | somiaj | ging: if you are using pbuilder or some other tool to manage this, look at its documentation (unsure how to automate it) |
| 22:07.34 | somiaj | ging: or create your own repository |
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| 22:14.07 | misternanyte | so anyone know how to change frame buffer settings in grub for the console |
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| 22:17.06 | Dagger2 | chemistrydioxid1: if the address is long and has "ff:fe" in the right hand half, then it's probably SLAAC |
| 22:17.41 | Dagger2 | chemistrydioxide: other than that I'm about out of ideas, since I've never used privacy addresses on Linux |
| 22:17.57 | Dagger2 | chemistrydioxide: #ipv6 might have more clue than me |
| 22:18.51 | chemistrydioxide | Dagger2: yes, it does |
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| 22:20.03 | Dagger2 | chemistrydioxide: in that case, all I can say is that setting use_tempaddr=1 and doing ifdown/ifup was enough to get a privacy address on the server I tested with |
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| 22:21.12 | chemistrydioxide | Was that on a Debian 7.0 system? |
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| 22:28.58 | LinuxGuy2020 | Is this http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-rt-amd64 , the kernel type that is used for multitrack recording with Ardour etc? |
| 22:29.12 | LinuxGuy2020 | Realtime kernel |
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| 22:38.04 | infinityloop | hi all |
| 22:39.11 | Towzzer | while (true){ print "hi"} |
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| 22:40.22 | infinityloop | I have the following issue, help will be highly appreciated : I can't for some reason execute an scripts |
| 22:40.36 | Towzzer | do you have permission |
| 22:40.38 | infinityloop | I have tried sudo'ing and event then I get a permission denied |
| 22:41.02 | Towzzer | ls -l |
| 22:41.23 | infinityloop | It was working and I don't remember doing anything crazy and suddenly I can run scripts on a drive that I formatted and mounted |
| 22:41.23 | pupil | infinityloop: by default, user is not a member of sudoer isn't it? |
| 22:41.42 | infinityloop | pupil: I know, but I have added my self to the sudo group |
| 22:42.00 | pupil | it seems your problem solved |
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| 22:42.17 | infinityloop | it was working fine, I changed ownership and group from root to my user |
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| 22:42.39 | infinityloop | on two directories, which worked find |
| 22:42.41 | infinityloop | fine |
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| 22:43.36 | infinityloop | and then I don't know why (I don't see what I changed) and now even if my user has ownership of all the files and dir, I can't run scripts |
| 22:43.44 | infinityloop | the autocomplete doesn't even work |
| 22:43.48 | infinityloop | and neither for root |
| 22:44.20 | infinityloop | I chmod'ed with a mask of 755 the whole dir recursively but to no avail |
| 22:44.48 | LinuxGuy2020 | Ok I think a better question is I have read the the realtime kernel is good for music recording. But should I just leave it installed as a kernel choice or as the only kernel on the system? Does it cause problems for everyday use other than music recording? |
| 22:45.36 | pupil | infinityloop: what is the exact error message? |
| 22:45.53 | pupil | could you please copast it? |
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| 22:46.05 | infinityloop | pupil: bash: ./activemq: Permission denied |
| 22:46.43 | infinityloop | pupil: one thing I do notice know (I don't know if it was there, i'm a bit noob) there's a $ sign at the end of the prompt |
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| 22:47.07 | pupil | the $ sign means you are not root yet |
| 22:47.07 | infinityloop | now |
| 22:47.54 | pupil | try become root first: su root |
| 22:47.55 | infinityloop | pupil: -rwxr-xr-x 1 ayor ayor 15455 Feb 6 16:53 activemq |
| 22:48.08 | infinityloop | these are the permissions on the file |
| 22:48.19 | pupil | the file is yours then |
| 22:48.31 | stojic | infinityloop: is the partition maybe mounted with option noexec? |
| 22:48.34 | pupil | maybe it is the content of the script |
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| 22:48.54 | infinityloop | stojic: /dev/sdb1/earthstoneext4rw,user,defaults |
| 22:49.11 | infinityloop | pupil: content should be fine, it comes from activemq |
| 22:50.12 | infinityloop | just tried with root also : permission denied |
| 22:50.26 | infinityloop | one thing that's really irritating is that autocomplete isn't working |
| 22:50.34 | infinityloop | it only works for folders |
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| 22:50.51 | pupil | infinityloop: wew, that's strange |
| 22:51.03 | infinityloop | but creating a script in my home works flawlessly (home is in a different physical drive) |
| 22:52.51 | pupil | what is the result of: file <your file> |
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| 22:54.53 | infinityloop | activemq: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable |
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| 22:57.41 | infinityloop | pupil: ok woot |
| 22:57.49 | infinityloop | I figured out the issue :D |
| 22:57.57 | infinityloop | (taps on my back) |
| 22:57.58 | pupil | what is that? |
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| 22:58.14 | infinityloop | well I unmounted the drive, ran a fsck on it and remounted |
| 22:58.22 | infinityloop | and it seems happy now :) |
| 22:59.18 | pupil | isn't that fsck is done everytime we boot debian? |
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| 23:02.51 | infinityloop | pupil: well I'm not sure about debian, but on arch for example its after a certain number of times |
| 23:03.15 | converge | is there some modern apache (access/error log) web system ? |
| 23:03.41 | pupil | :), i thought your problem happen in debian |
| 23:05.51 | infinityloop | pupil: it did im under debian but for fsck I know the behaviour if arch not debian (yet :) ) |
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| 23:06.23 | KsM | iirc, the fs counts the amount of times it's mounted without being checked, and fsck runs when the count reaches a certain amount, or if the fs is unmounted uncleanly |
| 23:07.44 | infinityloop | KsM: true |
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| 23:11.16 | pupil | btw, what is bpo and dfsg in debian package version? |
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| 23:19.44 | Nik05 | pupil dfsg is debian free software guidelines |
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| 23:20.52 | Nik05 | when i package contains non-free stuff those files will be removed and a new package will be created with +dfsg behind it |
| 23:21.44 | Nik05 | bpo is back port |
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| 23:23.22 | pupil | Nik05: so, if a package version only contain number, does it means this package is still original? |
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| 23:25.35 | Nik05 | what do you mean with only number |
| 23:25.42 | Nik05 | 1 or 1.2? |
| 23:25.47 | Nik05 | or 1.2-3? |
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| 23:26.29 | pupil | Nik05: could please explain both, :) |
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| 23:27.52 | Nik05 | 1.2 is the upstream version |
| 23:28.01 | Nik05 | -3 is the debian revision |
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| 23:29.05 | gearaholic | So I've been a ubuntu user for a while and want to switch to Debian. If I install Wheezy RC1, will a simple apt-get upgrade get me the final release on may 4-5? |
| 23:29.31 | pupil | Nik05: so, in version 1.2-3 , this package is customized for debian needs? |
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| 23:30.08 | Nik05 | pupil well it a debian revision |
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| 23:30.40 | Nik05 | read changelogs if you want to know what is changed |
| 23:30.58 | Kraken | Hi, super new to linux I downloaded the latest unstable debian how would I go about downloading and installing new software? Any guides anywhere that can help me out |
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| 23:31.08 | pupil | Nik05: gracias :) |
| 23:31.19 | Nik05 | gearaholic it probably should be |
| 23:31.29 | Nik05 | but never know ;) |
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| 23:31.51 | initself | is this how i select a particular nic to to a telnet test? |
| 23:31.52 | initself | telnet -b 10.200.11.40 10.200.11.28 3260 |
| 23:32.13 | pupil | Kraken: for newbie, i suggest linux mint or Ubuntu |
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| 23:32.53 | ska_ | Can't get debian-aws script to create cloud image: http://paste.debian.net/524/ |
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| 23:41.10 | peterrooney | gearaholic: as long as you make sure your sources.list is pointed at wheezy and not at testing. |
| 23:41.55 | peterrooney | gets dragged kicking and screaming out of oldstable |
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| 23:42.19 | gearaholic | peterrooney: ah good point. Would it be better to install squeeze then just upgrade? |
| 23:42.49 | pupil | actualy, i installed squeeze |
| 23:43.02 | pupil | but then i apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:43.16 | pupil | and now, i'm in the 7.0 release |
| 23:43.49 | gearaholic | ah, sneaky sneaky |
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| 23:44.12 | peterrooney | gearaholic: depends, do you want to experience a dist-upgrade? They can be painless if you read the release notes thoroughly, but who does that. |
| 23:44.17 | pupil | not to mention i installed squeeze just about a week ago :) |
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| 23:45.41 | gearaholic | Im installing it on my home dev server. I just don't want to put it off another week. |
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| 23:45.51 | gearaholic | I've done dist-upgrades on ubuntu |
| 23:46.36 | gearaholic | maybe I'll try installing squeeze and upgrading from there |
| 23:46.50 | gearaholic | Just for the experience |
| 23:46.54 | Nik05 | go ffor wheezy |
| 23:46.58 | Kraken | How would I get a sources.list for the latest version of debian? |
| 23:47.02 | Nik05 | oit comes out soon |
| 23:47.27 | Nik05 | change squeeze into wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:47.43 | gearaholic | Nik05: I know it comes out soon, but i am installing today. |
| 23:47.52 | gearaholic | soon != today |
| 23:48.06 | Nik05 | but you can install wheezy now |
| 23:48.16 | gearaholic | the final release? |
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| 23:48.49 | rainfyre | any tips for installing wine in wheezy |
| 23:48.51 | rainfyre | ? |
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| 23:51.24 | stojic | gearaholic: there won't be much changes between now and wheezy final release, no reason not to start with wheezy |
| 23:51.41 | gearaholic | stojic: ok, thats what i was asking |
| 23:51.50 | pupil | rainfyre: apt-get install wine? |
| 23:52.33 | rainfyre | pupil: doesn't work in wheezy |
| 23:52.43 | rainfyre | wine depends on wine1.5 which can't be installed |
| 23:53.05 | pupil | try, aptitude install wine |
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| 23:53.16 | pupil | aptitude gave some solution |
| 23:53.30 | rainfyre | interestin |
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| 23:54.35 | rainfyre | I'm on amd64, looks like there might be i386 package dependencies |
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| 23:55.48 | rainfyre | pupil: aptitude is so friendly that way |
| 23:56.26 | pupil | good, i'm glad it helped you |
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