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| 00:09.11 | voxluna | damned stupid mining. I won't have any hair left after I configure all this nonsense. |
| 00:10.00 | phogg | mining? |
| 00:10.07 | Nik05 | configuring your pickaxe? |
| 00:10.49 | voxluna | bitcoins. damn them all to hell. :P |
| 00:11.15 | voxluna | I quit bothering with it when they were $10 a coin. now it's like, what, $150? I'm compelled. it sucks. ;) |
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| 00:14.01 | KsM | there's no point in trying to mine bitcoins unless you have an ASIC |
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| 00:15.12 | voxluna | eh, I'm just seeing if I can do it again. it was really easy on the windows box, but then like a dumbass I forgot the wallet phrase. there was 0.90 BTC or say $110 in there. boooooo. |
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| 00:16.02 | voxluna | I made, let's see, prolly about $40 fooling around with it. not nearly enough for the electricity, but I was doing it to see if I could. now, OTOH, it's worth starting it up and making a bit here and there. maybe. |
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| 00:18.26 | voxluna | it's not to make money, and frankly I'm surprised the price has stayed so high so long. but this is just another "experiment" for my box. idle hands and all that.... |
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| 00:24.43 | loaden | hi, all! does somebody meet black screen after reboot or logout? |
| 00:25.44 | loaden | It seems same with this issue: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/screen-is-black-after-one-move-from-x-to-virtual-console-back-to-x-then-to-console-863509/ |
| 00:26.05 | loaden | I have tried two days hope to fix it. but I am failed. |
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| 00:27.33 | parsixfan | any help with parsix, there room is empty. It wont find the live cd, aka my flahs drive |
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| 00:31.27 | misternanyte | hi does anyone know how to get uvesafb to go into 32 bit color mode on squeeze? |
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| 00:32.01 | misternanyte | i'm talking about the uvesafb.conf in my modprobe.d |
| 00:32.29 | misternanyte | when i try the "x32" it just shows a black screen, but leaving out the x32 works, but is like in 256 color mode |
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| 00:49.05 | dav | is there a way to install all packages recommended by installed packages? |
| 00:49.22 | dav | apt-get install pulls the recommended ones by default |
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| 00:49.39 | dav | but if a pkg is already installed, surely there's a way to install what it recommends without removing+installing? |
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| 00:51.55 | nkuttler | dav: --reinstall |
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| 00:54.37 | misternanyte | ok so does anyone know if debian has some rep somewhere that can install image support in links2? |
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| 00:58.00 | dav | nkuttler / all: I think what I was looking for was aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i' |
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| 01:20.08 | Guest58435 | can anyone recommend a debian based distro not ubuntu that has good hardware detection support and is pretty light on resources |
| 01:20.47 | Vicissitude | !# (crunchbang) or Mint |
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| 01:21.51 | Guest58435 | i actually am having issues wiht debian mint as we speak, mainly with the display going all wonky and the partition utilty being a bit confusing |
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| 01:23.20 | Ghormoon | hi, I'm testing an udp application (just dumping received traffic with ncat and tcpdump) but after two messages ncat stops showing anything (still seems like waiting for input) and in tcpdump I see the port reported as unreacheable ... any ideas, what I'm doing wrong? :) |
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| 01:23.59 | h34d3r | what tcpdump command you used? |
| 01:24.15 | Ghormoon | tcpdump -i <interface> no port 22 |
| 01:24.30 | Ghormoon | *not |
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| 01:25.47 | Ghormoon | but maybe I know the problem, so I need to find out how to tell ncat to accept data from any port |
| 01:26.13 | Ghormoon | my friend sends that data from an app which crashes after few messages andd after restarting it has different outgoing port ... |
| 01:26.33 | Ghormoon | now i use ncat -lup 4242 --recv-only |
| 01:26.39 | h34d3r | it's really strange tcpdump isn't capturing the traffic |
| 01:26.51 | Ghormoon | well tcpdump sees it, but ncat doesn't get it |
| 01:27.15 | Ghormoon | tcpdump sees packet and also sees ICMP response that the port is unreacheable, but I wan't it to go to the ncat :) |
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| 01:41.21 | misternanyte | ok does anyone know how to get mplayer no-x to work right in console? |
| 01:41.36 | misternanyte | i can use it to see the movies, but they have these lines in them, and the color is only sepia. |
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| 04:39.45 | asciiker | hey I have to copy 50 GB in 4 hours max. is it worth to remove TLS from my FTP connection? |
| 04:39.50 | asciiker | will it matter much? |
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| 04:44.06 | ectospasm | asciiker: http://netsekure.org/2010/03/tls-overhead/ it looks like the encryption overhead is 40 bytes (per packet? not sure about that) |
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| 04:48.14 | dizzylizzy | ugh that felt really ugly, typing my root password into my web browser |
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| 04:50.01 | themill | it only requires admin login to do admin things |
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| 04:59.18 | relipse | i'm using putty connecting to a debian server but i'm getting whacko characters like: main.cpp:75: error: âdeckâ was not declared in this scope |
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| 05:08.43 | mumpitzel | relipse: what charset do you use on debian? |
| 05:08.48 | mumpitzel | and what is set in putty? |
| 05:08.50 | relipse | i dont know |
| 05:08.52 | relipse | how do i tell |
| 05:09.00 | relipse | g++ is the first prog thats doing it |
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| 05:10.56 | mumpitzel | run "locale" and check your putty settings |
| 05:11.05 | mumpitzel | typically both should be UTF8 |
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| 05:13.09 | asciiker | ectospasm: thank you for the heads up.. I'm testing a openvpn tunnel but it's way too slow |
| 05:13.16 | asciiker | FTP keeps failing some of the files |
| 05:14.00 | ectospasm | asciiker: why the 4hr time constraint? |
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| 05:14.50 | asciiker | well, the client company is going abroad to a seminar, and they've ask me to put everything on the local file server in the cloud |
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| 05:15.23 | asciiker | I did schedule yesterday but it only copied 12 GB |
| 05:15.59 | asciiker | 40 bytes sounds like a lot |
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| 05:18.24 | asciiker | any trick to speed up openvpn transfers? |
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| 05:26.17 | relipse | mumpitzel: thanks that helped, putty was set to iso--- |
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| 05:32.33 | Henesy | i'm running solusos (debian based) i recently used our hotel room's tv as a mirrored display and now X won't start after i had to hard reboot it |
| 05:32.58 | Henesy | i had a couple nvidia errors at some points which caused kernel panics, but aside from that no problems until now |
| 05:33.10 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell Henesy -about debian-based |
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| 05:34.42 | Henesy | it's just debian with a custom gnome desktop |
| 05:34.57 | Henesy | aside from that no difference as far as i know |
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| 05:36.07 | ectospasm | still, it is NOT Debian. We can't be sure about any changes that have gone into it. |
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| 05:36.26 | ectospasm | I'm not sure where to direct you |
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| 05:37.38 | Henesy | just any tip on what might be happening would be lovely |
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| 05:38.39 | ectospasm | check /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
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| 05:44.28 | Henesy | it goes through and found a whole bunch of devices then the second to last message is NOUVEAU(0): Closed GPU channel 2 |
| 05:44.45 | Henesy | then it just says Server terminated successfuly (0). Closing log file |
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| 05:50.42 | ectospasm | are you using nouveau or the non-free nvidia driver? |
| 05:50.48 | Henesy | nouveau |
| 05:51.03 | Henesy | i tried adding acpi=off to grub with no change |
| 05:51.09 | ectospasm | have you tried the non-free driver? |
| 05:51.33 | Henesy | it worked until i restarted just a couple hours ago (i didn't update or anything) |
| 05:51.36 | Henesy | and no i haven't |
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| 05:53.05 | Henesy | the only change was I had the laptop plugged into the television mirroring screens (over hdmi) and then hard shutdown when it locked up |
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| 07:27.53 | hke | hello. i apt-get installed package a and with it came dependencies b,c and d. how can i find out the name of package a if i only know b? |
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| 07:30.33 | jmd | Does anyone know how to use the sawfish window manager? |
| 07:32.04 | hke | alternatively: where should i ask this instead? |
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| 08:36.31 | niranth | hello. i just installed debian on virtualbox on windows. is there a way i can see it full screen, for the text mode? |
| 08:36.58 | niranth | as in, there is an option to switch to full screen but that only shows a small box in the middle of the window and not the full screen |
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| 08:38.02 | pupil | try the "machine" menu in the guest os window |
| 08:38.55 | niranth | what do i change from there? |
| 08:39.34 | pupil | wait the minute, i'll open my virtualbox |
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| 08:39.53 | niranth | thanks |
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| 08:40.22 | niranth | i just want to use the command line version. and debian boots up to it, but wish i could see more lines in full screen |
| 08:40.30 | niranth | "scaled" only increases the font size |
| 08:41.14 | pupil | sorry, it is in the view menu |
| 08:41.28 | pupil | so, view -> switch to fullscreen |
| 08:41.49 | niranth | yes, i did that. but i get only a small popup |
| 08:41.56 | niranth | is there some place i can share the screen? |
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| 08:42.44 | pupil | what about change window size |
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| 08:43.42 | niranth | it shows a smaller window |
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| 08:45.04 | pupil | sorry, it seems worked before |
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| 08:45.55 | niranth | :( |
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| 08:55.36 | Uriziel | I've got problem upgrading my system, apparently I'm out of space |
| 08:55.41 | Uriziel | http://pastebin.com/t98hvccF |
| 08:56.15 | Uriziel | Any ideas about what can I do? |
| 08:57.21 | xand | that's a very small / o.o |
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| 09:04.50 | Uriziel | xand: it was default installation though |
| 09:05.12 | Uriziel | IIRC |
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| 09:08.49 | peterrooney | Uriziel: clear out your cache of old packages |
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| 09:11.04 | invariant | 'man man' tells me the man path list is too long. When I do LANG=C man man, there is no such problem. WAT. |
| 09:11.05 | peterrooney | Uriziel: eg. apt-get --recon autoclean # better than apt-get clean as some packages may not be extracted yet |
| 09:12.14 | peterrooney | Oh, I see. your / is ridiculously small. |
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| 09:12.22 | Uriziel | It is. |
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| 09:12.48 | Uriziel | Though it wasn't of my choice I just went along with default 'unstable' (wheezy at time) installation |
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| 09:13.30 | Uriziel | I'm actually surprised myself seeing that -.- |
| 09:14.05 | peterrooney | if you have lots of kernels installed, maybe trim down to one or two? |
| 09:14.36 | Uriziel | Cleanining apt's cache failed |
| 09:15.23 | peterrooney | Uriziel: it would be hard to argue that the installer chose your partition sizes. and /var is its own partition, so clearing the cache doesn't help. |
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| 09:19.14 | peterrooney | du -sh /* | egrep -v 'boot|dev|run|home|tmp|usr|var' might pinpoint a suspect dir. |
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| 09:19.53 | Uriziel | I just removed 2.6 kernels |
| 09:20.02 | Uriziel | gonna try upgrade again :P |
| 09:20.03 | Trewas | Uriziel: you might as well re-install and use only one partition for everything (or separate / and /home), that kind of partitioning will be headache forever |
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| 09:21.06 | Uriziel | kk, thanks for idea peterrooney |
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| 09:21.22 | Uriziel | After removing 2.6 kernels i got required space |
| 09:21.26 | peterrooney | Uriziel: Trewas has the better idea. Your partition scheme is lunacy. |
| 09:21.27 | Uriziel | Trewas: I will at some point |
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| 09:22.14 | Uriziel | Though I'm wondering if that will be easily achieveable since for testing purposes I also encrypted the harddrive (all during installation of system) |
| 09:22.22 | Uriziel | and I might not be able to retain my data on /home |
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| 09:23.27 | Uriziel | Thanks for help nontheless |
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| 09:29.46 | pav5088 | Hi... a question about apt proxies : any opinions on which I should use in Wheezy? |
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| 09:31.56 | rweitz | Hello. i am trying to install debian on my laptop - a lenovo x230. I downloaded the netinstall iso and put it onto a usb stick using unetbootin. but when i boot, it says "grub - prefix not set" error |
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| 09:32.01 | rweitz | how can i install? |
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| 09:42.04 | Flohack | Good morning! |
| 09:42.11 | Flohack | I have a strange mkinitramfs issue |
| 09:42.27 | Flohack | Anyone to help? it seems udev and mdadm collide a bit... |
| 09:42.40 | Flohack | See http://pastebin.com/HSU0a7g4 |
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| 09:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, change mkdir to mkdir -p wherever that happens? |
| 09:47.48 | Flohack | hehe |
| 09:47.58 | ectospasm | <3 mkdir -p |
| 09:48.07 | ectospasm | it was a happy day when I discovered it |
| 09:48.09 | Flohack | The point is, I see now that 2 scripts in initramfs hooks... udev and mdadm.. I installed mdam lately |
| 09:48.28 | Flohack | I am afraid the are not compatible and it might throw me off elsewhere then |
| 09:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;include=subject:udev;package=initramfs-tools |
| 09:48.46 | Flohack | So, it seems an package install issue, they are supposed to go together |
| 09:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions udev |
| 09:49.07 | judd | Package: udev on i386 -- squeeze: 164-3; sid: 175-7.1; wheezy: 175-7.1 |
| 09:49.26 | Flohack | just a sec |
| 09:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | all of those are archived, though |
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| 09:50.17 | Flohack | I got version no 173 |
| 09:50.21 | Flohack | lol |
| 09:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you shouldn't |
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| 09:50.39 | Flohack | wrong machine ^^ |
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| 09:50.49 | Flohack | this is an ubuntu one hehe |
| 09:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong channel, then |
| 09:51.40 | Flohack | 164-3 |
| 09:51.48 | Flohack | Now I am on the deb box ^^ |
| 09:51.55 | Flohack | Yes sueeeze |
| 09:52.06 | Flohack | maybe I mixed in mdadm from later... |
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| 09:52.31 | Flohack | Ok it found a new version... |
| 09:52.47 | Flohack | the same one xD wtf |
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| 09:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 09:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's all I get on squeeze |
| 09:53.45 | Flohack | I know yeah.. used to be like that before |
| 09:53.55 | Flohack | But mdadm changed things slightly ^^ |
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| 09:55.05 | Flohack | Oh old version was udev 105-4 |
| 09:55.50 | Flohack | now it works |
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| 09:55.56 | Flohack | :D thx dudes |
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| 09:56.44 | Flohack | omg now the hook file is wayyy different. seems the dependecy during mdam install did not resolve... Should have checked this first |
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| 10:06.55 | invariant | 'man man' tells me the man path list is too long. When I do LANG=C man man, there is no such problem. WAT. |
| 10:07.20 | invariant | Is there an implementation of 'man' which does work? |
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| 10:10.07 | cheasee | hi |
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| 10:13.13 | cheasee | where do i see on what date(nearly?) the next testing debian release comes out? just wondering cause today aptitude wants to update like the whole system? usualy i got everyday just few packages to update? |
| 10:13.40 | cheasee | im running squeeze btw |
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| 10:14.52 | xand | cheasee: well wheezy is due to change from testing to stable next weekend |
| 10:15.08 | IRQ_ | anyone knows where to find linux-headers-3.6? I can only find 2.6.32 and 3.8 in repo... |
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| 10:16.10 | ShalokShalom | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.45 | cheasee | xand: oh next weekend? nice! thanks |
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| 10:19.13 | ectospasm | cheasee: it's not like you can't install now. Unless you're using wheezy for a mission critical application. Even then, "stable," "testing," and "unstable" refer to the stability of the package selection, not the uptime of the systems running the OS. |
| 10:19.47 | ectospasm | For instance, my sid systems have been quite stable for some time now (close to a year) |
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| 10:20.20 | ectospasm | I'm bracing for impact once sid thaws completely and the devs are more active with it. |
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| 10:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | stable as ice :) |
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| 10:22.29 | cheasee | ectospasm: yes, but i prefer to run testing and update specific packages manually :) |
| 10:22.48 | ShalokShalom | CutMeOwnThroat: Debians Release is like IceAge yes ;) |
| 10:23.03 | ShalokShalom | I try to print with a Epson XP-305 in debian 6 and download the Driver Module from Epson.net and installed them via GDebi. The Device gets recognised and i cant print anyway, maybe someone can help here, thanks :D |
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| 10:23.27 | ectospasm | when testing isn't frozen, from what I understand it gets security fixes last. |
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| 10:28.07 | gitsu-sa | hi; where I can download /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg that debootstrap need? (not on Debian) |
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| 10:30.39 | gitsu-sa | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debian-keyring maybe |
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| 10:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ShalokShalom, right... just wait a couple of million years and the next one turns up :) |
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| 10:32.03 | gitsu-sa | that package is nowhere |
| 10:32.10 | gitsu-sa | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-keyring/debian-keyring_2012.11.15_all.deb |
| 10:32.52 | gitsu-sa | source are down too |
| 10:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-keyring/debian-keyring_2013.04.21_all.deb ? |
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| 10:33.56 | gitsu-sa | nice |
| 10:34.03 | gitsu-sa | it isn't on packages.debian.org |
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| 10:34.53 | ShalokShalom | I try to print with a Epson XP-305 in debian 6 and download the Driver Module from Epson.net and installed them via GDebi. The Device gets recognised and i cant print anyway, maybe someone can help here, thanks |
| 10:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 10:35.19 | ectospasm | ShalokShalom: do you get any error messages, maybe in the CUPS log? |
| 10:35.32 | ShalokShalom | Where i can find the CUPS log? |
| 10:35.51 | ectospasm | ShalokShalom: /var/log/cups/ |
| 10:36.20 | ectospasm | ShalokShalom: see the access_log, error_log, or page_log |
| 10:36.27 | ectospasm | errors should be in the error_log |
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| 10:36.58 | ShalokShalom | there are some of them, in .gz and _log |
| 10:37.09 | gitsu-sa | debootstrap fail using debian-keyring.gpg |
| 10:37.10 | gitsu-sa | E: Release signed by unknown key (key id AED4B06F473041FA) |
| 10:37.49 | ectospasm | ShalokShalom: read one that is dated for today. |
| 10:37.55 | ShalokShalom | open the _log with gedit? |
| 10:38.08 | ectospasm | any text editor, yes. |
| 10:39.13 | ShalokShalom | Please move "SystemGroup lpadmin" on line 16 of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to the /etc/cups/cups-files.conf file; this will become an error in a future release. |
| 10:39.17 | ShalokShalom | And: |
| 10:39.30 | ShalokShalom | Returning HTTP Verboten for CUPS-Get-Devices (no URI) from localhost |
| 10:39.48 | ectospasm | the first error can be ignored for now. |
| 10:40.05 | ShalokShalom | Verboten is forbidden |
| 10:40.06 | ectospasm | looks like your CUPS configuration isn't correct, but I don't know how you should fix it. |
| 10:40.11 | ShalokShalom | ok |
| 10:40.33 | ShalokShalom | ectospasm: thanks |
| 10:40.36 | ectospasm | This is precisely why I use HP printers. HPLIP makes installing and using them a snap! |
| 10:40.45 | ShalokShalom | One of the over 1300 others maybe :P |
| 10:41.06 | ShalokShalom | ectospasm: ok, thanks, i will remember this, when i check the next one for sure |
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| 11:11.59 | mycae | Hi, does anyone have any search keywords for tools to convert patches to dep3? I've been asked to do this for my package, but the dep3 documentation is not very clear on workflow. Does it just have to be done manually? |
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| 11:35.16 | invariant | I want to build a FreeBSD package on Debian. |
| 11:36.47 | mycae | Hi - is there any documentation on debhelper 9's override syntax? I can't find anything in the man page, or via searching... |
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| 11:41.18 | babilen | mycae: Ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) and read dh(1) |
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| 11:55.30 | invariant | babilen, do you know what the meaning is of C_INCLUDE_PATH? |
| 11:55.43 | invariant | babilen, the manual doesn't tell me in enough detail or the manual is wrong. |
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| 12:26.19 | thepro4ever | is there a way to open a password protected rar file without knowing the password? |
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| 12:27.41 | invariant | Is there some replacement for the whole 'man' system? |
| 12:28.09 | invariant | I am seeing 'man' statting *all* the manpages on the system. |
| 12:28.17 | invariant | How stupid is that? |
| 12:28.26 | thepro4ever | hmm ok |
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| 12:28.51 | invariant | thepro4ever, you can try to crack the password, but unless you are the NSA you can't. |
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| 12:29.04 | invariant | thepro4ever, if it is a hard to crack password, that is. |
| 12:29.12 | Mike3620 | How do you start an x windows session over ssh. |
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| 12:30.13 | abrotman | !tell Mike3620 about sshx |
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| 12:56.41 | invariant | I have mandb installed, but why is it still stat'ing 10K+ files? |
| 12:57.25 | invariant | Why isn't 'man' a daemon too? |
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| 12:57.50 | invariant | It should just keep the database running and then when someone asks a query, it could return in mere milliseconds. |
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| 12:59.07 | ompaul | invariant: if you have a such a system where users keep needing man pages all day everyday, it is an interesting use case but most of the world doesn't |
| 12:59.27 | invariant | ompaul, so, make it a configuration option. |
| 12:59.37 | abrotman | invariant: make a patch |
| 12:59.48 | ompaul | invariant: it's a big ask but if you have a patch submit it with a wishlist bug |
| 12:59.50 | invariant | ompaul, /etc/man.conf -- daemon=yes # done |
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| 13:01.16 | invariant | Also, in case people are worried that it uses memory, we have 2^64 bytes of memory now, so the VFS could just swap the database out. |
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| 13:01.37 | invariant | That would still be faster than what it is doing right now. |
| 13:01.43 | ompaul | invariant: that's not an issue |
| 13:01.45 | Zitter | I've added a line on /etc/apt/sources.list with a testing release row pkg repo on my Squeeze machine. Now, it seems it became 'default' repository and to install something from squeeze I have to add -t squeeze option on apt-get tool. Any hint to default squeeze repo? tia |
| 13:01.53 | invariant | ompaul, what is not an issue? |
| 13:01.59 | ompaul | invariant: memory |
| 13:02.06 | abrotman | ompaul: please ... |
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| 13:02.12 | ompaul | wanders off |
| 13:02.23 | abrotman | Zitter: right, you shouldn't mix versions of Debian |
| 13:02.38 | invariant | Zitter, if you want to mix, install a chroot or a VM. |
| 13:02.50 | abrotman | invariant: that's not mixing then is it? |
| 13:02.57 | Zitter | ok, I remove testing line :) I've added only for python 2.7 |
| 13:03.00 | invariant | abrotman, that depends on how you define mixing. |
| 13:03.04 | abrotman | invariant: yours is wrong |
| 13:03.17 | invariant | abrotman, it's still one piece of hardware and you can't notice the difference. |
| 13:03.23 | abrotman | invariant: go back to your imaginary world |
| 13:03.49 | invariant | abrotman, who says that your is right? |
| 13:03.56 | invariant | yours* |
| 13:04.15 | abrotman | care to take a poll? |
| 13:04.30 | abrotman | Zitter: you can't really do that .. python is pretty core to the system .. things may not work correctly |
| 13:04.31 | invariant | abrotman, sorry, I don't participate in democracy. |
| 13:04.32 | ompaul | votes for abrotman |
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| 13:05.31 | Zitter | takes popcorn, sit on his couch and just watch the fight :) |
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| 13:06.25 | invariant | adds Zitter to the ignore list and will not watch him beg for help the next time |
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| 13:06.36 | abrotman | you act like you were actually going to help him ... |
| 13:06.50 | invariant | I already did. |
| 13:06.53 | Zitter | lol |
| 13:07.00 | invariant | I told him how he could solve his problem. |
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| 13:07.09 | Zitter | Jesus helped me, OK??? |
| 13:07.33 | Zitter | is known as Jesus |
| 13:07.43 | ompaul | self help rocks |
| 13:07.46 | abrotman | Zitter: anyway .. |
| 13:07.58 | abrotman | Zitter: is this a server or workstation? |
| 13:08.02 | Zitter | really, I removed that fuck line from my sources.list |
| 13:08.09 | Zitter | it is my personal pc |
| 13:08.12 | Zitter | workstation |
| 13:08.16 | abrotman | !tell Zitter about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:08.40 | Zitter | yep! |
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| 13:09.57 | apm1 | abrotman, is wheezy --> sid via apt the same as , installing sid from a business card iso in expert mode ? |
| 13:10.00 | ompaul | Zitter: it is a given that you can't downgrade with confidence you might wonder how many wheezy packages you dragged over the line in your python hunting |
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| 13:10.19 | ompaul | apm1: you have a sid business card? |
| 13:10.24 | abrotman | apm1: if you have to ask, please don't |
| 13:10.49 | apm1 | abrotman, i am not sure why i asked |
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| 13:10.56 | apm1 | i know its the same thing |
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| 13:11.27 | Zitter | ompaul, you are telling me that I have to dist-upgrade at this point? |
| 13:11.47 | apm1 | but i have heard someone say they run non base system packages from sid but they stick to a stable base |
| 13:11.55 | ompaul | Zitter: if it was one of my boxes I'd back up my data and dist-upgrade |
| 13:12.03 | ompaul | Zitter: that's if it was one of mine |
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| 13:12.16 | Zitter | ok, thank you... I think I will do the same |
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| 13:30.50 | ompaul | apm1: the actual answer to the question you asked at hour:09: .. about expert mode is NO - and those things have little to do with each other in reality other than both are debian things. as for heard ... that's a bit meta thought piped to mouth |
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| 13:32.39 | apm1 | ompaul, so its not pure sid if i just change my repos to sid ones and do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:33.32 | ompaul | apm1: that's not what you asked |
| 13:33.47 | ompaul | apm1: the right way to get to sid is stable -> testing -> sid |
| 13:33.54 | apm1 | ompaul, actually that is what i meant originally |
| 13:34.02 | ompaul | not what you said |
| 13:34.21 | apm1 | i may not have made it clear by my words the first time |
| 13:34.26 | apm1 | i apologize for that |
| 13:34.37 | ompaul | if you don't mean what you say, or worse yet, say what you mean, parsing your comment is somewhat ENOPARSE :) |
| 13:35.15 | apm1 | ompaul, i am not enlightened enough to know what ENOPARSE means XD |
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| 13:35.55 | ompaul | apm1: may I suggest you find a way to search the internet :) |
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| 13:36.30 | apm1 | ompaul, so currently if i am running a wheezy install , all i ahve to do is change my repos to sid in sources.list and do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 13:36.58 | ompaul | apm1: and remove every repo beyond the first two lines where you get debs for main and source |
| 13:36.58 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 13:37.06 | dvs | agrees |
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| 13:37.51 | abrotman | probably better to explain what you're actually trying to do |
| 13:38.06 | ompaul | apm1: this is well documented, if you fail to read about it, and do it, your expectations may be cruelly crushed when things break. you are expected to be able get yourself out of jail free if you run that level |
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| 13:39.57 | BCMM | i'm trying to help somebody upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 13:40.20 | BCMM | he's changed all reference to squeeze to wheezy in sources.list, done apt-get dist-upgrade, and rebooted |
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| 13:40.36 | ompaul | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade one hopes |
| 13:40.39 | dvs | ... |
| 13:41.03 | BCMM | ompaul: sorry, he did apt-get update too, or he was supposed to |
| 13:41.09 | BCMM | and a bunch of packages were upgraded |
| 13:41.14 | wulllst | hi, i'm trying to backport zim 0.59 from sid to testing for my personal use. i have learned to use the dch command to properly edit the version info. now, in wheezy, there seems to be no dch command. what can i do? |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | BCMM: are you local to this system ? |
| 13:41.23 | BCMM | but he's still on kernel 2.6 and lsb_release -a says squeeze still |
| 13:41.26 | BCMM | abrotman: no, sorry |
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| 13:41.50 | abrotman | BCMM: a) can he pastebin his sources.list? |
| 13:42.13 | abrotman | judd: file bin/dch --release wheezy |
| 13:42.19 | judd | Search for bin/dch in wheezy/i386: devscripts: usr/bin/dch |
| 13:42.34 | BCMM | abrotman: hang on; i'll make sure he actually ran apt-get update properly |
| 13:42.38 | abrotman | BCMM: b) is the kernel metapackage installed? |
| 13:42.55 | ompaul | also was the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade run as root |
| 13:42.55 | BCMM | abrotman: it's a fresh install |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | BCMM: doesn't really answer the question |
| 13:43.10 | abrotman | BCMM: and if it's a fresh install, why not install wheezy directly? |
| 13:43.12 | wulllst | judd: you mean search for the package |
| 13:43.18 | abrotman | wulllst: judd is a bot |
| 13:43.19 | wulllst | i did that with apt already |
| 13:43.25 | BCMM | abrotman: ah, some sort of java error happened apparently. i'll get the details |
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| 13:43.54 | wulllst | abrotman: ok. seemed so humane to answer me. |
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| 13:44.20 | abrotman | wulllst: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:45.16 | wulllst | abrotman: actually, i know what i am doing when backporting zim from sid. |
| 13:45.24 | abrotman | okay |
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| 13:45.35 | wulllst | the problem is this: on stable i could use dch to edit the version info |
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| 13:45.37 | m4k | how to remove package installed from source |
| 13:46.07 | wulllst | abrotman: but in wheezy, dch seems to be no longer present (the package) |
| 13:46.16 | abrotman | wulllst: and the bot told you which package it was in |
| 13:46.21 | abrotman | m4k: huh? |
| 13:46.35 | BCMM | abrotman: he got the iso on his own, apparently the debian website makes it easy to just get stable |
| 13:46.36 | themill | wulllst: dch is in the same package in both squeeze and wheezy -- it's in the devscripts package. |
| 13:46.39 | wulllst | abrotman: then i misunderstood the bot |
| 13:46.53 | BCMM | abrotman: anyway, he has this error "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gcj-4.7-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" |
| 13:46.54 | wulllst | themill: ok. thanks. |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | BCMM: we'll probably need to see the full error, use paste.debian.net please |
| 13:47.15 | m4k | abortman: i compiled gimp from source and installed but i want remove it, how?? |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | BCMM: or do the smart thing, install wheezy directly :) |
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| 13:48.49 | zykotick9 | m4k: removal of stuff you've installed from source, is going to depend on the program specific uninstall instructions. "make uninstall" perhaps? this is why using debian packages is preferred. |
| 13:49.19 | BCMM | abrotman: how? http://www.debian.org/distrib/ doesn't seem to have testing linked |
| 13:49.33 | m4k | zykotick9: ok but i deleted all source file and dirs |
| 13:49.39 | abrotman | !tell BCMM about wheezy netinst |
| 13:49.45 | abrotman | ugh |
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| 13:50.06 | abrotman | !tell BCMM about installer firmware wheezy |
| 13:50.19 | abrotman | !tell BCMM about firmware images wheezy |
| 13:50.21 | abrotman | there we go |
| 13:50.22 | ompaul | m4k: you need to get them again so you can type make uninstall - else you got to manually go work out what fell where and when - there is no other way to do this that I am aware of |
| 13:50.23 | zykotick9 | m4k: well, i'd try talking to the gimp people, or consulting there documentation for uninstall. it's not a #d issue, if you aren't using debian packages... good luck. |
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| 13:51.30 | m4k | zykotick9: this matter not only for gimp. i just take an example of gimp |
| 13:51.50 | ompaul | m4k: so what I said still applies |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | answer is the same |
| 13:52.00 | tremon | m4k: additionally, simply downloading the source and running make uninstall won't work. You'll have to reconfigure the sources exactly as you did when you installed it |
| 13:52.33 | m4k | I'm going to try delete maually !!! ;-) |
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| 13:52.53 | abrotman | oh, that'll totally fail .. |
| 13:52.57 | tremon | for next time, read up on checkinstall |
| 13:53.02 | abrotman | or stow |
| 13:53.11 | ompaul | m4k: there is a phrase "good luck with that" it expresses a lack of optimism on the part of the person saying it, so eh, Good luck with tat. |
| 13:53.46 | zykotick9 | m4k: i +1 on tremon's checkinstall suggestion. (i've never tried stow, so can't comment on it - but i bet it's good as well) |
| 13:53.47 | m4k | ompaul: thnks |
| 13:54.40 | ompaul | m4k: you need to download configure as you did before and then you stand a chance |
| 13:54.48 | ompaul | else backup your data and get on with your life :-/ |
| 13:54.55 | m4k | zykotick9: hey my net fast only 14KB/sec |
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| 13:56.18 | m4k | i choose manually deleting that is better for me ! |
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| 13:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | m4k... |
| 13:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course... |
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| 14:08.47 | enyc | Hrrm.... http://packages.debian.org/ "Debian Changelog" button frequently not working any more =( |
| 14:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude changelog someoapckage"? |
| 14:09.37 | jdoe1 | I tried setting a password on GRUB menu, the one you get at bootup to select your OS, I have 4 standard and recovery for 2 kernel versions. I followed instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords, yes ubuntu but the instructions see relevant to Debian. I first set a password on 3 of the menu items, rebooted and tried to edit one of them, it asked for a password, great. So I also added a password to the fourth menu item. Now on reboot I ge |
| 14:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you g? |
| 14:10.53 | abrotman | jdoe1: just like before, you were truncated |
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| 14:12.00 | rweitz | hello. i did a bare install of debian using the netinstall iso on my laptop. is there a way to install a desktop environment now, without using the tasksel option? |
| 14:12.17 | rweitz | if i use tasksel, which desktop environment will be installed? |
| 14:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | enyc, seems main is missing: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/ |
| 14:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | err http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/ |
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| 14:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rweitz, gnome |
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| 14:13.44 | rweitz | CutMeOwnThroat: is that gnome2 or gnome3? |
| 14:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnome2 for squeeze, gnome3 for wheezy |
| 14:14.08 | rweitz | both of them look very heavy to me. but are they okay to use? |
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| 14:14.23 | rweitz | i installed wheezy .. from the netinstall iso |
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| 14:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno. depends on what you find "ok to use" |
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| 14:15.36 | rweitz | i am not sure. will be new for me. i tried a few live CDs, though |
| 14:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I installed gnome3 with wheezy some months ago... well, it's ... different |
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| 14:16.33 | rweitz | let me install anyway :) |
| 14:16.42 | abrotman | rweitz: system specs? |
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| 14:17.14 | rweitz | abrotman: 2.9ghz i7. 4gb ram. it is a laptop |
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| 14:17.59 | abrotman | you'll be more than fine using gnome |
| 14:18.04 | rweitz | okay :) |
| 14:18.07 | benedikt | i've configured raid-1 (hardware) on a server, but debian installer shows both disks as indivudual disks (like it ignores the raid-1). what did i miss? |
| 14:18.07 | abrotman | 2 or 3 |
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| 14:18.27 | rweitz | is there a better way to install gnome3 than using the "tasksel" - "install desktop environment"? |
| 14:18.29 | abrotman | benedikt: it's fakeraid |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | rweitz: aptitude install gdm3 gnome xorg |
| 14:18.41 | jdoe1 | rest of my prev truncated message: Now on reboot I get a message like "GRUB Menuentry BLOCK" 4 times then asks for username/password which I enter. I'm taken to a "GRUB limited bash-like command line" shell. I use the commands linux, initrd, boot to get back to desktop. But that isn't what I was looking for, I still want the menu to appear and select the OS I want, and only prompt for password if I try edit. Any ideas, documents, urls for me? |
| 14:18.47 | jdoe1 | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:18.48 | rweitz | abrotman: thank you. let me run that. |
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| 14:19.27 | benedikt | abrotman: something to help windows pretend that it was a raid? (it's a low end server, pretty sure it ran windows) |
| 14:19.29 | rweitz | oh. it will need to get 779mb to install gnome3 |
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| 14:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | rweitz, I installed a plugin to get _some_ icons that start programs in the bar directly (i.e. a terminal and a new browser window) |
| 14:20.49 | benedikt | abrotman: it had the "classical" raid utitlity (prior to booting the OS, after the POST) |
| 14:21.00 | rweitz | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont even know what a bar is. let me first download and install this. will take a while. slow internet. |
| 14:21.07 | tremon | benedikt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakeraid#Firmware.2Fdriver-based_RAID |
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| 14:21.27 | nezzario | how do I use sid for just one single pkg, not incl dependencies ? |
| 14:21.30 | abrotman | rweitz: sounds about right .. |
| 14:21.30 | rweitz | but tell me what "plugin" it is. i will search about it now |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | benedikt: yes, fakeraid still has that |
| 14:21.44 | abrotman | !tell benedikt about dmraid |
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| 14:22.49 | benedikt | let me take this further abrotman. Would it be possible to have the fakeraid controller configured to show that the system is configured with RAID-1, but the operating system does not use software RAID andt thus the server really doesn't use RAID, but only looks like it does? |
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| 14:23.50 | abrotman | benedikt: i think you just defined what it's meant to do :) |
| 14:24.06 | abrotman | benedikt: you either use swraid, or no raid at all |
| 14:24.26 | benedikt | abrotman: i accidentally did something that is very useful for this server |
| 14:24.35 | benedikt | thanks for the help |
| 14:24.46 | abrotman | benedikt: the fakeraid controller isn't really RAID .. so Windows sees it as RAID because of a driver .. Linux won't lie to you |
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| 14:25.06 | benedikt | sounds about right |
| 14:25.08 | enyc | CutMeOwnThroat: ok =) so how do I report bug in that? is there somebody who maintains it? ;-) |
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| 14:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | enyc, well, dunno really, but bottom of the pages says To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org |
| 14:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and http://www.debian.org/contact#infrastructure doesn't really contradict completely |
| 14:31.16 | abrotman | there's a metapackage for bugs against the website |
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| 14:31.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think this isn't actually the website... but some ftp that doesn't have the files |
| 14:32.09 | abrotman | oh .. there's a mirror list |
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| 14:35.38 | marijnh | Hello |
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| 14:36.02 | marijnh | I'm having some trouble opening my firewall to allow emails to be send |
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| 14:36.25 | marijnh | Unfortunately I can't really find any good resource on iptables |
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| 14:36.38 | marijnh | basically all I need is to allow my application to send emails |
| 14:36.51 | Towzzer | your destination port is 25, are you blocking that? |
| 14:37.23 | marijnh | I have not blocked anything |
| 14:37.28 | marijnh | or unblocked for that matter |
| 14:37.34 | marijnh | I just installed a default distro |
| 14:37.36 | Towzzer | maybe your problem is that your smtp server isn't setup |
| 14:37.40 | marijnh | current bleeding edge |
| 14:37.42 | tremon | marijnh: there are very good reasons to keep port 25 outgoing closed, what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:37.57 | marijnh | I just want to send email from my php application |
| 14:38.09 | marijnh | using an smtp transport |
| 14:38.28 | Towzzer | http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
| 14:38.37 | NiLon | you can use isp's smtp server for example |
| 14:38.58 | marijnh | I have a mailserver |
| 14:39.27 | ksuhku | I agree it's probably not a firewall issue |
| 14:39.32 | marijnh | its hosted application called postmark |
| 14:39.37 | marijnh | it's a firewall issue |
| 14:39.46 | marijnh | i've tried to send email using gmails servers |
| 14:39.50 | Towzzer | and |
| 14:39.55 | marijnh | my own other server and postmark |
| 14:40.00 | marijnh | all with the Connection refused #110 error |
| 14:40.05 | tremon | where does debian fit in? |
| 14:40.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | default debian install don't block anything by firewall |
| 14:40.25 | Towzzer | who is your isp |
| 14:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | installs* |
| 14:40.30 | marijnh | Well. I'm not sure how to open my firewall from my machine |
| 14:40.32 | Towzzer | optimum online? |
| 14:40.37 | marijnh | it's a server |
| 14:40.44 | marijnh | on rackspace cloud |
| 14:40.46 | Towzzer | oh |
| 14:41.36 | ksuhku | marijnh, maybe you need a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarthost |
| 14:41.39 | marijnh | Any help with wrapping my brain around the iptables cli |
| 14:41.59 | marijnh | Why would i need that? |
| 14:42.15 | marijnh | Why can't i just connect to an smtp server from within PHP on my debian install? |
| 14:42.16 | ksuhku | bacause the problem likely hasn't anything to do with YOUR firewall |
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| 14:42.31 | ksuhku | try reading the article |
| 14:43.15 | abrotman | marijnh: default version of which version of Linux? |
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| 14:43.49 | Towzzer | marijhn on your server , telnet mail.hailoo.com 25 |
| 14:43.51 | Towzzer | does it connect? |
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| 14:44.12 | marijnh | "Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid" |
| 14:44.19 | ksuhku | lol? |
| 14:44.33 | ksuhku | frankendebian? |
| 14:44.54 | marijnh | yes |
| 14:44.58 | Towzzer | yes what |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | ksuhku: no |
| 14:45.11 | abrotman | sounds like it's out of date |
| 14:45.12 | Towzzer | abrotman yes |
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| 14:45.18 | abrotman | Towzzer: no .. |
| 14:45.28 | Towzzer | I have no idea what is going on right now :D |
| 14:45.34 | marijnh | Me neither |
| 14:45.43 | Towzzer | marjing I need you to type |
| 14:45.46 | Towzzer | telnet mail.hailoo.com 25 |
| 14:45.51 | marijnh | I know |
| 14:45.54 | ksuhku | :) |
| 14:46.00 | Towzzer | you know that I need you to type that? |
| 14:46.02 | Towzzer | that's step one |
| 14:46.05 | marijnh | i was just confused by all the other messages |
| 14:46.09 | Towzzer | acknowledgement of my request |
| 14:46.14 | marijnh | it connects |
| 14:46.15 | Towzzer | ok |
| 14:46.15 | marijnh | 220 mail.hailoo.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
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| 14:46.19 | Towzzer | so you don't have any firewall problems |
| 14:46.23 | Towzzer | related to smtp |
| 14:46.24 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.27 | marijnh | ok |
| 14:46.29 | Towzzer | see? |
| 14:46.31 | marijnh | great :-) |
| 14:46.35 | marijnh | Now what? |
| 14:46.45 | ksuhku | read up on smarthosts |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:47.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:47.45 | marijnh | acknowledged |
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| 14:48.38 | marijnh | ksuhku: Any suggestions on what to install specifically? |
| 14:48.56 | marijnh | Would something like Exim4 suffice? Or do I need to install something else? |
| 14:49.02 | ksuhku | marijnh, probably you just need to configure your mailer |
| 14:49.27 | ksuhku | exim should do nicely |
| 14:49.31 | marijnh | Being postfix? |
| 14:49.44 | marijnh | I'm sorry for my level of noobness |
| 14:50.02 | ksuhku | that's what we're here for |
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| 14:50.07 | abrotman | postfix can do a smarthost easily |
| 14:50.08 | marijnh | But I have absolutely no clue what I should do to move forward at this point |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | marijnh: perhaps you should hire a system admin? |
| 14:50.25 | marijnh | any reason to favor one over the other? |
| 14:50.55 | marijnh | abrotman: as soon as my startup launches that is the first thing I'll do. But for now I'll have to ask kindly to you guys :-) |
| 14:51.09 | marijnh | Any advice and guidance is much appreciated. |
| 14:51.58 | tremon | so, you're laying the foundations of a new company based on random advice from the internet? |
| 14:52.06 | abrotman | thinks he gave the best advice already ... |
| 14:52.25 | mumpitzel | marijnh: first thing is to read logs why your mail call fails |
| 14:52.46 | ksuhku | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.03 | mumpitzel | #110 would be pop3 and nothing at all to do with sending mails |
| 14:53.12 | marijnh | what ksuhku said: Connection refused #110 error |
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| 14:53.44 | mumpitzel | and an error message isn't a log, is it? at least "Connection refused #110 error" doesn't look like any log line I've ever seen |
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| 14:55.01 | marijnh | mumpitzel: that's the error i'm getting in my client application |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | so talk to the developer |
| 14:56.08 | marijnh | that's me |
| 14:56.20 | mumpitzel | then what did you write? |
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| 14:57.18 | marijnh | i'm just using a standard library for PHP to send emals |
| 14:57.35 | marijnh | It is configured correctly as far as I can see. |
| 14:57.56 | mumpitzel | you are unable to properly communicate what you did and what the error is. that's your biggest problem by far |
| 14:58.01 | marijnh | The exact error that I'm getting back is Connection could not be established with host smtp.postmarkapp.com [Connection timed out #110] |
| 14:58.17 | marijnh | Well, apologies for that. |
| 14:58.26 | mumpitzel | don't apologize but do better |
| 14:58.31 | abrotman | works fine for me |
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| 14:59.00 | mumpitzel | it's customary for example to show the line(s) of code producing an error when one has problems with said lines |
| 14:59.10 | abrotman | though it is misconfigured |
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| 14:59.33 | mumpitzel | marijnh: is postmarkapp.com under your control? |
| 14:59.47 | marijnh | postmarkapp.com is a webservice for sending emails |
| 14:59.48 | abrotman | 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 1404E9FD80 |
| 14:59.59 | marijnh | but other servers also fail |
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| 15:00.16 | abrotman | your mail server is only accepting mail for smtp.postmarkapp.com |
| 15:00.18 | mumpitzel | abrotman: is it relaying? |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | HIRE AN ADMIN |
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| 15:00.33 | marijnh | mumpitzel: I can show you the stock email example if you want but that's PHP and has nothing to do with this issue |
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| 15:00.40 | marijnh | abrotman: I know |
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| 15:00.45 | mumpitzel | abrotman: he doesn't need an admin, he needs a programmer |
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| 15:00.55 | abrotman | both |
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| 15:01.06 | ggherdov | Hi all. How to count newlines in manpages? I would like to compile the list of the 10 longest man pages on debian. |
| 15:01.21 | ksuhku | and a wet nurse... or we could help him |
| 15:01.29 | tremon | ggherdov: wc -l |
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| 15:03.11 | ggherdov | tremon: the problem is that manpages *don't* have newlines, this could be a little tricky. Ok, maybe characters. but wc should make the deal |
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| 15:03.41 | ggherdov | is there a common folder where man pages are stored? maybe /usr/share ? |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | ggherdov: /usr/share/man/ .. mostly .. |
| 15:04.40 | ggherdov | abrotman: good. trying that. Is the format binary or text? well, checking... |
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| 15:04.55 | abrotman | and wc -l does work AFAICT |
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| 15:05.14 | ggherdov | abrotman: ah. |
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| 15:07.00 | ksuhku | ggherdov, what's that all for? |
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| 15:07.11 | abrotman | he's trying to find the longest man pages |
| 15:07.25 | ksuhku | yeah but why, call me curious |
| 15:07.35 | abrotman | cmake.1.gz: 16177 |
| 15:07.42 | abrotman | that's just from man1/ |
| 15:08.06 | tremon | ggherdov: you can use one of the ?roff formatters to produce plain-text output iirc |
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| 15:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ggherdov, can't be done. man bash is huge and man perl is tiny |
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| 15:15.10 | LLOODD | Hello! |
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| 15:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, let me rephrase, of course it can be done, but the effort is much bigger than you think as splitting can be non-obvious |
| 15:15.39 | LLOODD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:17.00 | tremon | we don't know if he intends to aggregate the results per package, per section or not at all. So saying that it can't be done is a premature |
| 15:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, I just corrected on that :) |
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| 15:17.39 | tremon | :) |
| 15:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just text, of course it can be done if you just put enough effort in |
| 15:18.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | like 100 man-hours :P |
| 15:18.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | or 1000 |
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| 15:18.44 | ksuhku | man-hours, pun intended |
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| 15:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksuhku, actually.... I hadn't noticed before you pointed it out :) |
| 15:20.13 | tremon | nah, I've enumerated the length of all files in man1. Perfectly doable, although some files give errors |
| 15:20.23 | tremon | ;) |
| 15:21.15 | richardlewis | I recently installed omni plugin and easytags for vim. however, i notice that after easytags get installed, my omni completion doesn't work correct. pressing ctrl+x ctrl+o, message shows "pattern not found". any place i can what might go wrong? |
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| 15:23.36 | tremon | richardlewis: possibly the two plugins conflict. I'd ask #vim |
| 15:24.03 | relipse | mumpitzel: utf-8 |
| 15:24.06 | richardlewis | tremon: thanks. will check it there. |
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| 15:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, did that include sv/man1? :) |
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| 15:31.18 | tremon | nope, nor /opt or /usr/local |
| 15:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or /usr/share/postgresql/8.4/man/man1/pg_config.1 |
| 15:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, /opt and /usr/local are not "in Debian", so that's ok :) |
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| 15:31.57 | tremon | :p |
| 15:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh gosh... /usr/share/man/zh_CN/man1/newgrp.1.gz |
| 15:32.18 | rweitz | hey. i just installed gnome. but the fonts look awful. is there a way i can get better fonts and the fonts to look nicer on the desktop? |
| 15:32.28 | rweitz | in fact, the fonts in the console look better than in gnome |
| 15:33.07 | tremon | and I did not install each and every package either. Shoddy statisticians, never thorough |
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| 15:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | rweitz, possibly dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 15:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | rweitz, that doesn't actually let you choose a font, though but might be worth looking at anyway |
| 15:35.30 | rweitz | hm |
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| 15:37.17 | BCMM | is there a KDE package-management frontend for Wheezy? |
| 15:37.29 | ksuhku | BCMM, no |
| 15:37.39 | BCMM | ksuhku: ah, thanks |
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| 15:37.48 | tremon | rweitz: there are some fonts worth installing (e.g. fonts-droid and fonts-linuxlibertine), although I'm using bitstream vera iirc |
| 15:38.03 | rweitz | tremon: okay. let me try to install those |
| 15:38.14 | ksuhku | BCMM, there is in sid but I've forgotten its name |
| 15:38.40 | tremon | the fontconfig suggestion would be my first advice too, quite possibly font anti-aliasing is not enabled |
| 15:38.51 | BCMM | ksuhku: one can't use canonical's one? they did ubuntu-specific stuff to it? |
| 15:39.02 | ksuhku | BCMM, no idea about that |
| 15:39.16 | BCMM | ksuhku: me neither, other than that it exists |
| 15:39.31 | rweitz | I have to run the fontconfig command in gnome, or can run it in the console? |
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| 15:40.30 | tremon | finds it worrying that the css font choice on linuxlibertine.org is Trebuchet,Verdana,Helvetica' |
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| 15:40.59 | tremon | rweitz: it can be run in the console, it probably won't have any effect until you restart X |
| 15:41.32 | rweitz | hm. apt-get install fontconfig-config says that the package is installed, but i cannot run it |
| 15:41.39 | rweitz | it does not show up when i use tab complete |
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| 15:42.17 | tremon | it's not a tool, it is a configuration package. CutMeOwnThroat has already told you the command to run |
| 15:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, had instant effect for me with wheezy/gnome3 |
| 15:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can watch the fonts fuzz/unfuzz about a second after running it |
| 15:43.16 | tremon | always nice when software outperforms your expectations :) |
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| 15:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... dunno, maybe they killed baby-kittens for it or something |
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| 15:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/for it/to achive it/ |
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| 16:03.20 | ragnul | so it looks like everything is crashing in libfontconfig... segv in 0x00007ffff2b0d6af in IA__FcCharSetIsSubset |
| 16:03.56 | ragnul | I suspect some font is corrupt, but I don't know which stack frame to look at to find out the name |
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| 16:04.09 | ragnul | or how to list the local vars... |
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| 16:05.44 | yctn | can i install mod_cloudflare with apt-get? |
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| 16:06.38 | mumpitzel | yctn: http://packages.debian.org and: no |
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| 16:19.02 | nainij | can I hibernate a live system that I started from a USB key? The live image is very old and I don't want to install all the updates that released in due time all the time I start the system and am dependent upon this live system until in a few days when I got the time to hard install |
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| 16:23.47 | zoroaster | hello could someone explain me what exactly means sudo update-rc.d seomething.sh defaults 10 |
| 16:23.55 | zoroaster | i don't understand the value "10" |
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| 16:24.20 | zoroaster | i know it just install some init script etc, defaults is for default start/stop but "10" ? |
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| 16:24.32 | tremon | man update-rc.d |
| 16:25.03 | tremon | it's in the description |
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| 16:25.48 | zoroaster | tremon, 0 and 1 is the runlevel? |
| 16:26.03 | zoroaster | are* |
| 16:26.06 | tremon | no, it's the sequence number |
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| 16:27.27 | zoroaster | ok defaults then apply for runlevel |
| 16:27.39 | zoroaster | for starting and stoping the service |
| 16:27.51 | tremon | yes |
| 16:28.01 | Leoneof | hey, Chromium-browser is open source? |
| 16:28.04 | zoroaster | just need to find what means this sequence number |
| 16:28.10 | smw | Leoneof, yep |
| 16:28.29 | Leoneof | smw: thanks |
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| 16:31.32 | converge | I wanna deny some user of my system from executing anything, I just wanna let them copy, rename and move files. the best things to do is to create a group for them ? |
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| 16:33.59 | haodemon | chmod -x -R., change variable $PATH |
| 16:34.00 | tremon | converge: and how do you suggest they copy or remove those files? |
| 16:34.46 | converge | tremon: cp / mv |
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| 16:36.09 | tremon | converge: cp and mv are executables |
| 16:36.35 | mumpitzel | if they can't execute anything, they can't execute a shell either... |
| 16:36.40 | converge | tremon: sure, I wanna let they use it, cp and mv, but nothing else |
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| 16:37.26 | IRQ_ | is it possible to manually create "/dev/input/event*" devices if udev fails? |
| 16:37.56 | converge | ok, I wanna give them access to shell, cp and mv comand |
| 16:38.47 | tremon | converge: use a chroot jail, e.g. rbash |
| 16:39.10 | converge | I'll check it, thanks tremon |
| 16:40.29 | tremon | IRQ_: probably yes, but you will need to know the correct major/minor device numbers for the input device |
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| 16:41.04 | nainij | how can I hibernate this live system? http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/next/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-wheezy-live-rc1-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso |
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| 16:43.41 | IRQ_ | tre: ok will see if I can find more about it. thx |
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| 17:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, http://paste.scsys.co.uk/244779 |
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| 17:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | :D |
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| 17:05.19 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: it itches, huh? ;) |
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| 17:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, it's a ... mistery ;) |
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| 17:07.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | miss terry |
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| 17:22.39 | bolly | hey |
| 17:22.42 | bolly | i am having trouble with sudo |
| 17:22.47 | bolly | i am in the /etc/group file in the sudo group |
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| 17:22.52 | nainij | can I hibernate a live system? |
| 17:22.52 | bolly | but it says my user is not in the sudoers group |
| 17:22.58 | bolly | what am i missing? |
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| 17:24.17 | nainij | whatever |
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| 17:25.38 | peterrooney | bolly: editing sudoers won't change group membership in current active sessions |
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| 17:27.10 | peterrooney | and anyways, I don't think sudoer's definition of "group" is the same as the OS's definition of group. |
| 17:27.26 | bolly | thanks that works! |
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| 17:28.50 | peterrooney | uh, what works? |
| 17:28.59 | bolly | starting a new session |
| 17:29.10 | bolly | i thought it updated immediately |
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| 17:29.45 | harrison | similarly, my uncle's definition of "grope" differed sharply from the actual meaning set forth in the statute |
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| 17:39.41 | i4c | hello fellow debianers, i was wondering about having testing(wheezy) and stable(squeezy) with all debs, bootable from a usb or external harddrive, is it possible ? |
| 17:39.55 | i4c | i only found dvd and cd isos for that |
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| 17:40.17 | i4c | only live cd/dvd seem to have usb "images" |
| 17:40.37 | i4c | and those don't have all debs(assuming from size) |
| 17:40.53 | ragnul | "all" debs? |
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| 17:41.03 | ragnul | you mean all ten+ thousand? |
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| 17:41.20 | ragnul | do you have a USB stick big enough for that? |
| 17:41.20 | i4c | yes all packages |
| 17:41.25 | i4c | i am refering to this |
| 17:41.25 | i4c | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-dvd/# |
| 17:41.34 | i4c | oh yes |
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| 17:42.11 | ragnul | you can't even install all debs |
| 17:42.37 | i4c | not to install now, to install whenever i want on computers without internet |
| 17:42.40 | ragnul | a number of them conflict with each other |
| 17:42.44 | i4c | i know RagBal |
| 17:42.49 | i4c | ragnul: * |
| 17:42.57 | ragnul | so basically drop a mirror on a usb stick |
| 17:44.01 | ragnul | doesnt make sense for them to provide such a humongous image for the 7 people globally who'll want it |
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| 17:44.28 | i4c | 8 don't forget about me :( |
| 17:44.39 | ragnul | you're one of the 7 :P |
| 17:45.01 | ragnul | I think there were scripts to build custom installer images... |
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| 17:45.17 | ragnul | is there still a #debian-installer channel? |
| 17:45.24 | ragnul | !debian-installer |
| 17:45.24 | dpkg | 6.0 squeeze is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 06, 2011). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 17:45.40 | Magnifikus | is where a simple way to replicate a parted partition table to another disk (for md raid) |
| 17:46.07 | ragnul | Magnifikus: wouldn't you want to simply replicate the whole disk image bit-for-bit? |
| 17:46.31 | i4c | ragnul: would i have to change sources to the usb, to install with apt or aptitude easily ? like for dependecies and stuff |
| 17:46.37 | i4c | so i can simulate it as a mirror |
| 17:46.45 | Magnifikus | ragnul, mdadm does that anyway afterwards i guess, but i need to recreate the partitions because md is partition based |
| 17:47.02 | ragnul | i4c: yes. I think you can get the debian-installer package and build a custom installer if you want something cleaner |
| 17:47.29 | ragnul | Magnifikus: you can probably dd the first N blocks over |
| 17:47.39 | Magnifikus | yeah but thats so hacky :) |
| 17:47.48 | Magnifikus | with the guid's etc |
| 17:47.48 | ragnul | Magnifikus: hacks sometimes work ;) |
| 17:47.52 | Magnifikus | hehe |
| 17:48.10 | ragnul | a one-off hack is the least of the sins programmers commit |
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| 17:48.29 | i4c | i guess i could also download all the dvds and mount them |
| 17:48.30 | ragnul | (the really bad sin is re-using those one-offs...) |
| 17:48.37 | i4c | from my usb |
| 17:49.06 | ragnul | i4c: loopback? yeah... but that requires more mucking around at install time |
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| 17:49.52 | ragnul | i4c: building a custom image with d-i is the cleanest way, I think... don't think it'll be too hard either... especially if you have the people in the irc channel dpkg mentioned to guide you |
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| 17:51.32 | i4c | thx for help ragnul i will redirect your advice to the other 6 people :P |
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| 17:56.16 | i4c | also 1 weird thing i noticed is that, debian stable on dvds seems to occupy more, then testing, but i thought wheezy had more packages(i know one doesn't imply the other, but still weird, since it does tend to) ? |
| 17:56.50 | i4c | squeezy has like 9 dvds and wheezy only 3 |
| 17:57.03 | i4c | both rc1 and the weekly build have 3 dvds |
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| 17:57.30 | i4c | is there any reason ? better compression or lacking packages ? |
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| 17:57.39 | i4c | or smaller packages |
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| 18:07.17 | jhutchins_wk | i4c: Not all variations of the packages for testing have been processed yet. |
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| 18:07.25 | jhutchins_wk | Remember, testing is not yet released. |
| 18:07.48 | jhutchins_wk | Some of the disks typically contain internationalization packages and alternative architectures. |
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| 18:09.02 | Leoneof | hello, i386 is i686 ? |
| 18:09.20 | BaW | yes |
| 18:09.48 | i4c | not exactly Leoneof, but ur pc is most likely i686 compatibe, if it is a "normal" pc |
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| 18:10.38 | i4c | thx jhutchins_wk for response |
| 18:10.56 | Leoneof | Linux laptop 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:11.38 | Leoneof | i wonder if i'm using i386, x86, or i686 -_- |
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| 18:14.32 | et | Leoneof: "x86" refers to the family. that's the 686 kernel ... |
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| 18:24.46 | vedranm | wheezy is awesome |
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| 18:24.57 | smw | vedranm, agreed |
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| 18:25.32 | vedranm | I have been using it since September and I haven't had a single dependency issue |
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| 18:25.41 | vedranm | no major bugs either |
| 18:25.47 | vedranm | kudos to Debian devs and packagers |
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| 19:14.05 | nmeum | is it possible to prevent a daemon from being automatically started at startup? |
| 19:15.08 | nmeum | found it: update-rc.d |
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| 19:26.33 | lxsameer | how can i disable the stupid console-kit-daemon |
| 19:26.58 | i4c | console-kit-daemon has feelings |
| 19:27.14 | lxsameer | i4c: :D , |
| 19:32.04 | IRQ_ | lxs: I did it the lazy way |
| 19:32.26 | IRQ_ | renameorg.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.service |
| 19:32.33 | IRQ_ | rename org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.service |
| 19:32.49 | IRQ_ | for me it was in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/ |
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| 19:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | so wtf is a console-kit-daemon |
| 19:35.01 | IRQ_ | IIRC it makes it possible to switch users |
| 19:35.05 | IRQ_ | chk Google |
| 19:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like 'Michael Knight' will come around the corner any minute |
| 19:35.55 | IRQ_ | :) who? |
| 19:37.36 | IRQ_ | is there any way to get event support on a kernel that didn't set CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV or am I screwed? |
| 19:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, well, in principle apt-get remove consolekit (but if you have gnome installed via a metapackage, you'll have to fix other stuff, else aptitude will want to remove all of gnome) |
| 19:38.17 | IRQ_ | not able to recompile it thats why I ask |
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| 19:38.32 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: its a server bot |
| 19:38.34 | lxsameer | *box |
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| 19:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, then... go for it? anyway, apt-get/aptitude warn you about what packages are removed before they actually do it |
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| 19:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | IRQ_, well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Rider_(1982_TV_series) (and we should move this to #debian-offtopic) |
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| 19:42.58 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 19:58.00 | talx | so here is an issue, while trying to install some pkg i get hash sum mismatch cannot read the archive which is on a cd that was added with apt-cdrom. I can howerver use the sane media to install a new system on a vm, the mismatch issue arises on a vm that was created few months ago, basically the cd nor the drive is the issue but what could be the problem |
| 19:59.04 | talx | can this be lvm related or some type of update |
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| 20:11.33 | _jacks | how does one remove a service/daemon from starting during boot using the dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 20:12.31 | talx | !service |
| 20:12.31 | dpkg | To view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>; or use ls, ln and mv in /etc/rc?.d/ . The /etc/services file provides a port numbers list, which is updated from http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers and other sources. The 'service' command (used to run an init script) is packaged for Debian in sysvinit-utils. |
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| 20:18.48 | Guest8492 | hello guys |
| 20:19.13 | Guest8492 | im tryin to recompile the dwm with the status file but i keep getting some errors |
| 20:19.22 | Guest8492 | anyone knows what i have to do |
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| 20:42.26 | tensorpudding | what's the favored way to obtain recent kernels on debian? |
| 20:42.49 | delight | Hey guys, I know wheezy is in front of the door … but there is a (slightly older) box I got and would like to install lenny on it … is it possible to install it with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/i386/iso-cd/debian-5010-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 20:43.27 | delight | and if so are the proprietary drivers for ati cards (fglrx) still available too ? |
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| 20:45.53 | talx | what is the clean way to remove all cds added using apt-cdrom from cache |
| 20:46.05 | smw | tensorpudding, I fetch them from DebianExperimental |
| 20:46.20 | tensorpudding | i knew about that way |
| 20:46.29 | tensorpudding | but i was worried about it dragging in other packages with nasty versions |
| 20:46.44 | tensorpudding | that would clobber things on my system |
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| 20:46.56 | smw | tensorpudding, It worked for me |
| 20:47.13 | smw | tensorpudding, I think it imported some sort of initramfs tools |
| 20:47.29 | tensorpudding | i feel convinced that this hard-freeze issue that i have is software |
| 20:48.12 | tensorpudding | i don't even know where to begin with trying to figure out what component of debian would cause it though |
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| 20:50.13 | LRN | tensorpudding, i build then myself |
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| 20:50.23 | LRN | s/then/them/ |
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| 20:50.46 | LRN | it's quite easy, and linux buildsystem knows how to generate Debian packages |
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| 20:53.33 | LRN | I do also build fresh libdrm, radeon driver and mesa, but they go into separate /usr/xorg subdir, as Xorg wiki instructs, so they just override Debian packages without spreading themselves around the system |
| 20:54.01 | LRN | unrelated: whom should i complain to, about Gnome-3.8 not being completely packaged for Debian? Should i complain at all? |
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| 20:54.57 | Cyclohexane | how do i see what's running this 113/tcp open auth? |
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| 21:07.06 | tremon | Cyclohexane: netstat -lp, but it's identd |
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| 21:10.35 | tremon | LRN: you shouldn't complain at all about debian, you should get involved. Specifically about gnome 3.8, that was released after wheezy was frozen. Even 3.6 will not be in wheezy |
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| 21:11.57 | LRN | tremon, i'm talking about experimental or sid, not wheezy. |
| 21:12.39 | tremon | in that case, you should read up on debian's release process |
| 21:12.53 | tremon | !slushy |
| 21:12.53 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 21:12.55 | LRN | it's been 1 month since Gnome 3.8 release, and it still isn't in experimental (some essential packages are missing) |
| 21:13.30 | petn-randall | LRN: Debian is days away from release, I think the DDs are busy doing other stuff right now. |
| 21:13.37 | LRN | ok |
| 21:13.41 | tremon | LRN: well, ask the debian gnome team. But debian has no obligation to provide you with timely packages of upstream releases |
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| 21:13.52 | invariant | LRN, if you care about more control, take control and use better package management systems. |
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| 21:14.12 | petn-randall | LRN: You can expect that packaging in sid/experimental will become bleeding edge after the pace picks up. |
| 21:14.14 | tremon | how is this about package management? |
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| 21:14.34 | LRN | ok, that's good to hear |
| 21:14.35 | invariant | tremon, can you install multiple gnome versions in Debian? |
| 21:14.41 | invariant | tremon, no? |
| 21:14.47 | invariant | tremon, then, there we go. |
| 21:14.55 | invariant | tremon, how about rollbacks? |
| 21:15.01 | invariant | tremon, no? |
| 21:15.14 | LRN | invariant, what do you propose instead of dpkg/apt? |
| 21:15.18 | invariant | LRN, nix |
| 21:15.24 | LRN | ah, yes, that one |
| 21:15.32 | invariant | Debian should adopt it or it will slowly die. |
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| 21:15.53 | invariant | With every package that gets ported to nix, Debian dies a little. |
| 21:15.54 | LRN | That would be sad |
| 21:15.55 | tremon | invariant: stop putting words on my keyboard. LRN asked about gnome 3.8, not the ability to install multiple gnome versions side by side |
| 21:16.00 | invariant | It's superior technology. |
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| 21:16.28 | invariant | tremon, I don't even know where your keyboard is. |
| 21:16.35 | invariant | tremon, how can I possibly place words on it? |
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| 21:17.02 | invariant | Oh, right, you were even more intoxicated than I am! |
| 21:17.13 | invariant | I completely forgot. Sorry, about that. |
| 21:17.20 | BCMM_ | invariant: i think he meant it as a variant on the idiom "putting words in my mouth" |
| 21:17.28 | invariant | BCMM_, obviously. |
| 21:17.44 | tremon | is glad invariant doesn't know where my mouth is |
| 21:17.45 | rryoumaa | invariant: nix has no package signing, and i don't know if it can do everything apt/dpkg can |
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| 21:17.58 | invariant | BCMM_, just because I understand someone doesn't mean that I cannot force people to write down what they actually mean. |
| 21:18.00 | invariant | rryoumaa, wrong. |
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| 21:18.10 | rryoumaa | they got package signing? |
| 21:18.26 | invariant | rryoumaa, the tarballs are signed. |
| 21:18.37 | rryoumaa | tarballs of each package? |
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| 21:18.38 | invariant | rryoumaa, or hashed with secure hashes. |
| 21:18.42 | invariant | rryoumaa, yes |
| 21:19.06 | invariant | rryoumaa, I don't think the actual packages are hashed. |
| 21:19.23 | rryoumaa | then i will wait |
| 21:19.31 | invariant | rryoumaa, but that would be something which is easy to check. |
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| 21:20.06 | invariant | rryoumaa, I think because you can get it via github it already does that. |
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| 21:20.24 | invariant | rryoumaa, https security/git consistency. |
| 21:20.57 | invariant | rryoumaa, so, you have protected tarballs and the above. |
| 21:20.58 | rryoumaa | there might be a misunderstanding. when i say that pm x does not have signing, i mean "does not have the same level of signing that debian does". that is what is important to /me/. |
| 21:21.01 | dima_ | does anyone know cpu architecture? I am getting mixed answers on a topic of ALU's. I understand that modern processors have 2 alu's per core. Does this mean that each core can run 2 threads simultaneously? Sorry I know this isn't debian specific... |
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| 21:22.09 | comodo_dragon | i look for debian server channel. |
| 21:22.11 | tremon | dima_: try asking #linux, but specifically: the number of ALU's says nothing about a core's ability to handle multiple threads |
| 21:22.56 | rryoumaa | just my pov, but if we are being encouraged to switch to using nix instead of apt, i'd want us to not have to give /anything/ up in order to do so |
| 21:23.00 | dima_ | tremon: thanks but for some reason I can't talk in $linux |
| 21:23.23 | tremon | dima_: as an example, traditional GPU's contain hundreds of ALU's (arithmetic/logic units), but can only handle one thread (up to very recent versions) |
| 21:23.29 | comodo_dragon | where togofor debian server discussion? |
| 21:23.39 | LRN | go here |
| 21:23.47 | invariant | rryoumaa, how secure are those signatures currently? |
| 21:23.59 | dima_ | tremon: what determines how many cores can run on a single core? |
| 21:24.03 | rryoumaa | invariant: dunno, but i trust debian to get it right |
| 21:24.06 | dima_ | i mean how many threads* |
| 21:24.07 | invariant | rryoumaa, so, I assume you don't trust git? |
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| 21:24.12 | invariant | rryoumaa, lol |
| 21:24.27 | invariant | rryoumaa, you do remember the major Debian openssh security failure, right? |
| 21:24.41 | invariant | rryoumaa, there is no reason to trust Debian to get it right because of that. |
| 21:24.43 | richo | I'm trying to debootstrap over a running system (Ignore the insanity of this, I have backups...) but it looks like debootstrap clobbers directories before workign in them. Is there a way to turn this off, or should I just hack the script? |
| 21:25.12 | comodo_dragon | debian amd 64 wheezy, is it secure? |
| 21:25.20 | invariant | comodo_dragon, no |
| 21:25.21 | rryoumaa | yes, i do remember it, nd don't lol at me; this is a civilized channel. you're spoiling for a fight. i am not. let's drop it. git's sha-1 are fine, but i don't know the entire system of nix and cannot evaluate it in this verging-on-off-topic discussion. |
| 21:25.29 | tremon | dima_: even that answer depends on the architecture in question, but usually, each running thread requires its own thread context manager. That means its own register file, instruction fetch unit and execution units |
| 21:25.36 | comodo_dragon | why? |
| 21:25.48 | invariant | comodo_dragon, because it is written in C. |
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| 21:25.58 | comodo_dragon | i dont understand |
| 21:26.02 | dima_ | tremon: thank you sir. I am getting the idea now :). |
| 21:26.03 | invariant | comodo_dragon, and there is no formal proof that it is secure. |
| 21:26.10 | invariant | comodo_dragon, and your hardware was not verified. |
| 21:26.18 | comodo_dragon | how doi secure my server? |
| 21:26.21 | tremon | some of those can be shared between cores, like cache, alu's and fpu's. |
| 21:26.22 | comodo_dragon | do i * |
| 21:26.28 | invariant | comodo_dragon, you pay some companies billions of dollars. |
| 21:26.47 | invariant | comodo_dragon, failing that, you hope nobody is smarter than whoever wrote the software you are using. |
| 21:26.53 | comodo_dragon | is there a help manual todoit myself? i am a noob |
| 21:26.56 | invariant | comodo_dragon, and you install something like SELinux. |
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| 21:26.57 | rryoumaa | in any case, it sounds like my original concern, nix has no signed packages, is not "wrong" |
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| 21:27.20 | grok0 | comodo_dragon: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 21:27.27 | comodo_dragon | thanks sir |
| 21:27.29 | invariant | rryoumaa, do you check the signatures yourself? |
| 21:27.34 | petn-randall | comodo_dragon: Let's step back a little. Secure of what? What's your threat scenario? What will you be using Debian wheezy for? |
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| 21:27.54 | invariant | rryoumaa, are you integrated within the PGP web of trust? |
| 21:27.58 | tremon | dima_: as another example, Intel's hyperthreading shares all units including the thread context manager, but it does have a separate register file for fast thread switching. So although the core can technically run only one thread at a time, it can switch between two threads almost instantaneously |
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| 21:28.30 | invariant | rryoumaa, even then, 1B USD is an easy way to bribe someone. |
| 21:28.31 | vlt | Hello. I need a tiny httpd. Just for sending one file. Any recommendation? |
| 21:28.32 | comodo_dragon | VPS |
| 21:28.35 | rryoumaa | invariant: nix is really neat (if that's what you're looking for). end of discussion. |
| 21:28.45 | comodo_dragon | petn-randall, vps |
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| 21:28.55 | invariant | In short, the probability of someone not having been bribed is close to zero. |
| 21:29.00 | LRN | invariant, rryoumaa, if you do decide (not as "that would be cool thing to do", but rather "ok, that's actually doable, let's put it on the roadmap") on replacing dpkg with nix (or guix), do let me know. |
| 21:29.01 | dima_ | tremon: But that would lower per thread performance |
| 21:29.20 | invariant | LRN, I have no power in Debian. |
| 21:29.45 | invariant | LRN, I think Debian will make the changes once they see package volume going down and nix growing. |
| 21:29.45 | petn-randall | comodo_dragon: If you don't plan on having any services facing the internet, there's little to secure your server of. |
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| 21:29.52 | tremon | dima_: yes, it does. But the reason why Intel's approach still has a net positive result, is because it is very easy for a thread to get stalled |
| 21:30.27 | rryoumaa | LRN: i don't know enough to do so, but if it is pushed, may it be shepherded by a sufficiently-non-tendentious evangelist :) |
| 21:30.36 | dima_ | tremon: right, so while a thread is stalled, the second thread is being processed |
| 21:30.44 | invariant | In short, the probability of someone not having been bribed is close to zero. |
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| 21:30.59 | comodo_dragon | petn-randall, only SSH |
| 21:31.00 | tremon | dima_: even a cache miss (when data must be fetched from main ram) can cause a thread to block for thousands of cycles. Intel's hyperthreading allows another one to proceed instead of blocking the core completely |
| 21:31.12 | invariant | Until systems get written in a more mature way there is no way for you to find a backdoor in the base system. |
| 21:31.20 | petn-randall | comodo_dragon: Use SSH keys, disable password login. Problem solved. |
| 21:31.43 | tremon | dima_: if you're still listening, amd's bulldozer core has two thread context managers, two alu's, and two data fetch units. But it shares the floating point unit and l1 cache between the cores |
| 21:31.48 | invariant | petn-randall, how do you make sure that you don't lock yourself out? |
| 21:31.51 | comodo_dragon | ok |
| 21:32.10 | LRN | invariant, i don't care who does or doesn't what. I just want to know when (and if) it is decided to do (or not to do) that. |
| 21:32.11 | invariant | petn-randall, this is more of a practical question for which I am sure that some software could be written. |
| 21:32.37 | truexfan81 | can anyone tell me the best way to install and update-grub without a debian live cd? i want to get rid of lilo and install grub |
| 21:32.43 | tophalf01 | Does anyone know of a FTP server JUST for text files? |
| 21:32.56 | tophalf01 | I'm trying to collect text files. |
| 21:33.24 | petn-randall | invariant: Any configuration change doesn't affect running sessions. You make the config changes, restart SSH, if a new login attempt doesn't work you just configure it with the existing session until it does. |
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| 21:33.49 | invariant | petn-randall, you can still lose the network. |
| 21:33.53 | vlt | vlt: micro-httpd |
| 21:34.07 | petn-randall | tophalf01: Any FTP server is able to handle text files. Pick one you like. |
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| 21:34.14 | invariant | petn-randall, that's not what he asked. |
| 21:34.28 | invariant | tophalf01, no, I don't know of such software. |
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| 21:34.39 | tophalf01 | Okay, thanks. |
| 21:34.44 | petn-randall | invariant: Loosing the network is a different class of problems. |
| 21:34.46 | invariant | tophalf01, I recommend you run a simple find scripts. |
| 21:34.50 | invariant | tophalf01, script |
| 21:35.07 | invariant | tophalf01, so, you find all the binary files and you delete them periodically. |
| 21:35.12 | invariant | tophalf01, or use inotify, etc. |
| 21:35.15 | tophalf01 | Okay |
| 21:35.15 | petn-randall | tophalf01: Where does the restriction "only for text files" stem from? |
| 21:35.25 | invariant | tophalf01, then you can just use a normal full ftp server. |
| 21:35.34 | invariant | petn-randall, he wants to collect text files. |
| 21:35.37 | invariant | petn-randall, he said that already. |
| 21:35.49 | tophalf01 | lol |
| 21:35.56 | invariant | petn-randall, also, who cares where the requirement comes from? |
| 21:36.17 | invariant | petn-randall, if someone wants to collect files containing only 1 bits, perhaps we should just tell them how? |
| 21:36.19 | petn-randall | invariant: Did you turn into his herald some time in the last 5 minutes? If I was asking you, I'd have highlighted you. |
| 21:36.24 | tophalf01 | I was just looking for an FTP server where people primarily uploaded text files. |
| 21:36.44 | invariant | petn-randall, I don't like it when people ask stupid questions in respond to questions. |
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| 21:37.02 | petn-randall | invariant: It's a totally legit question. It sounds like a classic XY problem to me. |
| 21:37.04 | invariant | petn-randall, the only right answer to a question is a question. |
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| 21:37.13 | invariant | petn-randall, yes, I also hate that. |
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| 21:37.25 | tremon | dima_: that's about all that I can tell you :) |
| 21:37.26 | invariant | petn-randall, it just implies that the person asking the question is an idiot. |
| 21:37.33 | invariant | petn-randall, it's offensive to even suggest that. |
| 21:38.04 | petn-randall | invariant: What is offensive? I'm not following through. |
| 21:38.12 | dima_ | tremon: of course I am listening. Thanks you sir. I have a much better understanding now. |
| 21:38.32 | invariant | petn-randall, it is offensive to assume that the person asking a question is asking a question for which he doesn't want to hear the answer. |
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| 21:38.53 | laazi | hi |
| 21:38.56 | laazi | all |
| 21:38.56 | invariant | petn-randall, essentially you are saying then:"You are too retarded to even know what you want to ask". |
| 21:39.22 | invariant | petn-randall, do you at least understand what I mean now? |
| 21:39.30 | petn-randall | invariant: Think whatever you like, but please refrain from putting words in my mouth I've never said. |
| 21:39.51 | invariant | petn-randall, I did not put any words in your mouth. |
| 21:40.03 | invariant | petn-randall, also, try to comprehend what I said. |
| 21:40.10 | petn-randall | 23:38 < invariant > petn-randall, essentially you are saying then:"You are too retarded to even know what you want to ask". |
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| 21:40.31 | invariant | petn-randall, what else would you mean? |
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| 21:40.54 | invariant | petn-randall, clearly you think that whoever is asking that question shouldn't be asking that question in the first place. |
| 21:41.01 | petn-randall | I'm interested in the actual problem and finding a technical solution for it, that's why I asked where the "only for text files" stems from. Nothing more, nothing less. |
| 21:41.15 | invariant | petn-randall, and you know that without having the information that the person asking the question has. |
| 21:41.28 | invariant | petn-randall, the technical solution is trivial. |
| 21:41.34 | petn-randall | invariant: No it's not. |
| 21:41.40 | invariant | petn-randall, write a custom ftp server rejecting binary data. |
| 21:41.43 | invariant | petn-randall, problem solved. |
| 21:41.50 | morosai | what is the name of the xorg server package? xorg? I want only what I need to run a WM, and nothing more. Would apt-get install xorg --no-install-recommends fulfill this task? |
| 21:42.10 | invariant | !apt-cache |
| 21:42.10 | dpkg | apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository it came from, use "apt-cache policy foo", "apt-cache show foo" or "apt-cache showpkg foo" (searches for reverse dependencies). "apt-cache search foo" helps to find which packages provide or are related to foo, by searching all package descriptions. See also <which repo>. |
| 21:42.22 | invariant | !apt-file |
| 21:42.23 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 21:42.28 | invariant | morosai, good luck |
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| 21:42.36 | tremon | dima_: you're welcome. Most important thing to realize about modern processors, is that they are insanely fast and almost impossible to keep up with. That's why most improvements have come from interconnect improvements (pci-e, hypertransport, on-die memory controllers) |
| 21:42.50 | invariant | petn-randall, in what universe is that not trivial? |
| 21:43.01 | petn-randall | invariant: So that's what you recommend as a solution to his problem? And you fail to see a simpler solution? |
| 21:43.13 | invariant | petn-randall, I suggested the simpler solution. |
| 21:43.19 | invariant | petn-randall, do you have a reading disability? |
| 21:43.24 | morosai | invariant: I am not currently on a debian machine |
| 21:43.28 | petn-randall | invariant: *plonk* |
| 21:43.36 | invariant | petn-randall, oh, look. |
| 21:43.49 | grok0 | morosai: xserver-xorg |
| 21:43.50 | invariant | petn-randall, you failed to read and you are blaming me for your failures, |
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| 21:45.07 | invariant | tremon, you have a very positive way of looking at things :) You can also say that the rest is slow. |
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| 21:46.19 | khaleel5000 | Hello, I need to download debian stable via torrent. Does dvd-1 contain KDE? |
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| 21:46.33 | khaleel5000 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/bt-dvd/ shows no indication |
| 21:47.00 | petn-randall | khaleel5000: The DVDs have the packages arranged by popularity. |
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| 21:47.45 | shicy | khaleel5000, i recommend you to install debian wheezy |
| 21:47.46 | petn-randall | khaleel5000: Unless you're installing on an offline machine, it's best just to install from the 'netinst' and download the remaining packages directly from the internet. |
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| 21:49.11 | khaleel5000 | shicy yeah wheezy seems tempting |
| 21:49.34 | comodo_dragon | debian is good |
| 21:49.44 | khaleel5000 | petn-randall: is kde popular enough to be on dvd1 ? |
| 21:49.45 | comodo_dragon | i use ubuntu before, but it slow |
| 21:49.48 | khaleel5000 | I prefer dvd |
| 21:49.59 | tremon | khaleel5000: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/list-dvd/ will give you a list of which packages are on which medium. But to answer your question: yes |
| 21:50.06 | shicy | it's now in "freeze" phase, and it will become stable on 5.5. |
| 21:50.24 | petn-randall | khaleel5000: Parts of KDE are on DVD1, the rest is spread over all DVDs. |
| 21:50.46 | khaleel5000 | thanks petn-randall and shicy |
| 21:51.06 | khaleel5000 | shicy: I used to use sid. I intend to shift to sid after installation. |
| 21:51.17 | petn-randall | khaleel5000: Is there a reason to use DVDs on your installation machine? You want to pull updates (including security updates) over the internet anyway, if you can. |
| 21:51.27 | khaleel5000 | I just need bit torrent download as internet is 'abit' unreliable here |
| 21:51.29 | shicy | i'm using sid ;) |
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| 21:52.46 | petn-randall | khaleel5000: I'd still bet you'd have a running KDE with netinstall far before you've downloaded the first 3 DVDs ... :) |
| 21:53.05 | khaleel5000 | ok petn-randall |
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| 21:54.14 | petn-randall | khaleel5000: A typical KDE install with need far less than 3 DVDs of data. |
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| 21:57.37 | shicy | netinstall is fantastic ;) |
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| 21:57.51 | shicy | you just install debian without DE |
| 21:57.52 | truexfan81 | ok is there any easy way to fix my system? custom kernel is mounting the drives as read only, lilo is not giving me a menu to choose which kernel to boot to |
| 21:58.07 | shicy | then install xorg + kde-standard |
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| 21:58.12 | shicy | and that's it ;) |
| 21:58.20 | coyotee | hi people |
| 21:58.30 | tremon | truexfan81: can you reach lilo's menu and change the kernel command line? |
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| 21:59.07 | truexfan81 | tremon: idk how to get it to show me the lilo menu, i just see the lilo version number and then loading linux |
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| 21:59.27 | tremon | truexfan81: oh, and important: does your custom kernel include an initramfs? |
| 21:59.42 | truexfan81 | i honestly don't remember |
| 21:59.50 | tremon | it's been a while, but iirc you could reach lilo's menu by holding shift while loading |
| 21:59.58 | truexfan81 | i haven't even turned that machine on in like 2 weeks |
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| 22:00.27 | truexfan81 | my friend and i couldn't figure out how to update it to make it see both kernels, so he made a symlink to force it to boot the new one |
| 22:00.45 | tremon | btw, it's normal that the kernel mounts / as read-only, otherwise it can't fsck it |
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| 22:01.00 | tremon | the initscripts should be remounting / rw after fsck |
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| 22:01.21 | truexfan81 | tremon: during boot it says unable to mount filesystem with large files |
| 22:02.29 | truexfan81 | we had the kernel down to 13MB lol |
| 22:02.39 | tremon | then there's no way to boot it, I think. If it says that then the / filesystem has features that the current kernel doesn't support |
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| 22:03.08 | tremon | I'm surprised that you would be able to turn off large-file support though |
| 22:03.14 | truexfan81 | which is why i want to get back to the generic kernel where it does work |
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| 22:05.10 | truexfan81 | i still don't understand why the wheezy netinstaller refuses to install a working grub on that system |
| 22:05.23 | truexfan81 | thats why i had to install lilo |
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| 22:06.51 | tremon | ah, found it: "It's worth noting, though, that if you hold the SHIFT key down during boot, you can get the prompt up anyway" |
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| 22:07.49 | coyotee | does someone here understands netboot files (not kernel's nor initrd's) diferences between arch's? I have been taking a peek at pxe boot and am going through the files at the d-i daily-images and would also like to know what is the rationale behind that structure (any doc?). If there is another more proper place where people can place such questions i would also appreciate it :) |
| 22:08.06 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: I think the easiest method at this point would be a rescue disk of some sort. |
| 22:08.38 | jhutchins_wk | I used to be really good with getting around lilo, but at some point I gave up fighting every single installer and accepted grub. |
| 22:09.07 | truexfan81 | yeah i'm trying to find one, if i'm understanding correctly its lilo that is symlinked to the new kernel, so if i could wipe it out and install a working grub, i could then choose the generic kernel from its menu and be good to go |
| 22:09.19 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: What filesystem is it objecting to. |
| 22:09.26 | truexfan81 | ext4 |
| 22:09.46 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. Need a newer version. Legacy grub can't handle it either. |
| 22:09.47 | tremon | coyotee: if you can't ask here, possibly #debian-live or #debian-boot on oftc. But what "differences in netboot files between arch's" are you looking at? iirc it's just pxelinux as stage1, then it loads the normal debian kernel |
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| 22:10.10 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: which version of grub does the wheezy netinstaller try to install? |
| 22:10.36 | jhutchins_wk | wheezy should do grub2 which can handle it. |
| 22:11.15 | truexfan81 | and yet the 4 attempts i made to install wheezy with grub did nothing but leave me at grub rescue after the install finished |
| 22:11.24 | jhutchins_wk | It's funny how the biggest advantage grub fans used to claim over lilo is that you didn't have to do anything after editing the menu, and now you do. |
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| 22:11.49 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: A nice little reminder that wheezy is still testing and hasn't been released yet. |
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| 22:12.07 | jhutchins_wk | Although, yeah, next week. |
| 22:12.26 | truexfan81 | so now i need a way to install grub2 on it, to overwrite lilo on the MBR |
| 22:12.44 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: If you have the grub files, grub-install should work from chroot. |
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| 22:12.54 | truexfan81 | now i have a tool that can repair grub2 once its installed |
| 22:13.10 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: grub-install should do that. |
| 22:13.39 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: i tried to install it from the buntu boot-repair disc, terminal kept crashing when i tried to install it in the chroot |
| 22:14.03 | benedikt | the debian installer has a pretty straight forward ncurses interface to connect to wifi. does the installed system have anything similar? |
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| 22:14.36 | sphenxes01 | I have installed wheezy RC1 on my computer. What steps do I need to upgrade to Debian 7.0 (wheezy) in May? |
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| 22:15.19 | tremon | sphenxes01: hopefully nothing but your regular apt-get update && apt-get upgrade run (or similar with aptitude/synaptic/$frontend) |
| 22:15.47 | tremon | sphenxes01: make sure that the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list mention wheezy though, not testing |
| 22:15.54 | sphenxes01 | tremon thanks |
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| 22:16.16 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: do you think Rescatux would be able to do it? |
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| 22:16.46 | larzix | how to run a bash script when use logs in ? |
| 22:17.07 | coyotee | tremon, thanks! I am looking at the whole archive in the perspective of maintaining a netboot tftp root(will later on seek the gpxe possibilities without tftp) that can acomodate several arch's in a single bootmenu and, of course, am trying to understand why those files where placed in that way, it seems that there is a lot of repetition in folders and subfolders |
| 22:17.53 | coyotee | truexfan81, a simple debian rescue image can pull it off cleanly |
| 22:18.11 | zykotick9 | sphenxes01: while tremon is correct, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is the _for sure_ method. and FYI, there is no RC1 for wheezy, it's for the installer only. |
| 22:18.30 | coyotee | larzix, edit .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 22:18.53 | tremon | coyotee: sounds familiar, although in my case I'm only hosting i386 and amd64. You'll have some issues if you try to include the regular installer boot menu as a submenu of your own, but other than that it's doable |
| 22:19.17 | larzix | coyotee: can i delete it and put my own bash script ? |
| 22:19.36 | coyotee | larzix, nop, you should call it from there |
| 22:19.44 | truexfan81 | coyotee: why can i not find this debian rescue image on google? |
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| 22:20.09 | tremon | coyotee: about the repetition, yes that seems so. But I've got the impression that the repetition is purely because of the d-i, not because of pxeboot. You need to ask #debian-boot (oftc) for details |
| 22:20.11 | sphenxes01 | zykotick9, thanks |
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| 22:21.50 | truexfan81 | coyotee: please please give me a link to it |
| 22:22.28 | larzix | coyotee: will use the same file name , but will put a clean test script ( e.g echo > /home/myuser/test.txt ) |
| 22:22.41 | larzix | or other content in the file is needed ? |
| 22:22.48 | coyotee | truexfan81, :) at your service: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:22.53 | coyotee | it's a netinst |
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| 22:23.18 | coyotee | but you can select rescue through the menus |
| 22:23.30 | tremon | coyotee: about that "including multiple arch's in a single bootmenu", you should be aware that you can't run the same pxe payload across arches, you'll need a separate payload per architecture. So while nice in theory, you'll need to explicitly add non-standard mac addresses in your dhcp server config |
| 22:23.41 | larzix | coyotee: i will try and see brb, thn |
| 22:23.44 | larzix | thnx |
| 22:24.03 | truexfan81 | coyotee: ty, i had to modify that link slightly to get the i386 one |
| 22:24.10 | truexfan81 | but its downloading |
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| 22:24.23 | coyotee | truexfan81, :) i didn't knew what your arch eas :) |
| 22:24.36 | truexfan81 | yeah super old machine |
| 22:24.38 | coyotee | tremon, thank you :D |
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| 22:29.00 | truexfan81 | coyotee: so whats the difference between this and the 25MB wheezy netinstaller? |
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| 22:29.50 | abrotman | truexfan81: the 25MB is the "bizcard" and requires the internet to install .. the 200MB netinst does not |
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| 22:30.03 | truexfan81 | hmm |
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| 22:30.24 | coyotee | tremon, but i think i might get away with my wishes, as i'm aiming at amd64, i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, and will have to drop armel... |
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| 22:30.44 | larzix | coyotee: the .bashrc (+x) file is not executed on logon :/ |
| 22:30.50 | truexfan81 | ah, so it won't force me to reinstall the base system to be able to install grub like the 25MB one wanted to do? |
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| 22:31.38 | coyotee | larzix, yes it is, but for the record what kind of logon are we discussing? |
| 22:31.51 | coyotee | truexfan81, nop, don't install the base system |
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| 22:32.38 | coyotee | just boot rescue if it presents such option or make an expert install and when loading extra components select rescue |
| 22:33.03 | coyotee | and then jump right to that option as soon as you can |
| 22:33.04 | larzix | coyotee: i created a simple bash script, tested runing, renamed it .bashrc, put to home dir. logged off and on, nothing happened |
| 22:33.29 | tremon | coyotee: you can host armel, but the default dhcp settings will probably send filename pxeboot-i386 to the clients. You need to add mac-address entries for all armel systems to tell them to use filename pxeboot-armel. The pxeboot menu structure can remain the same |
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| 22:35.07 | larzix | coyotee: sorry i has to try again, same result |
| 22:35.23 | coyotee | tremon, true, but can't load a menu and effectivelly select it's options... better not to have them at all, lol |
| 22:35.40 | tremon | yes, that's true |
| 22:35.58 | zykotick9 | i realize this isn't a "debian" issue (although it's happening on 100% of my debian machines). why can't 3TB drives work in USB 2.0 enclosures? plugging the same drive/enclosure in with eSATA works fine. does USB3 support 3TB drives, or is this not really a USB version issue? |
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| 22:37.02 | tremon | zykotick9: at a guess, I think usb mass storage might be the limiting factor there |
| 22:37.19 | coyotee | zykotick9, so i guess i'llhave you tryed in that same hw in windows? same resuklt? it works? then it's a driver issue... does not work... it's a hw thing... |
| 22:37.20 | ompaul | zykotick9: shouldn't you ask in your distro's channel or better yet search for GPT |
| 22:37.23 | zykotick9 | tremon: i agree. but was looking for the reason ;) |
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| 22:37.53 | larzix | coyotee: :( |
| 22:37.58 | Hans_Henrik | a |
| 22:38.30 | Hans_Henrik | i want to install the sid verion of awstats , via aptitude.. running squeeze atm |
| 22:38.37 | Hans_Henrik | any idea how i can do that? |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | !tell Hans_Henrik about ssb |
| 22:38.46 | zykotick9 | ompaul: it's gpt formated on Debian! 100% of my machines are debian (2 wheezy, 1 squeeze) ;) |
| 22:39.29 | ompaul | zykotick9: then you know about limits on that - seems you met USB limits which I didn't know exist |
| 22:39.31 | zykotick9 | 2 different enclosures as well (only one has esata - and over esata it's fine) |
| 22:39.59 | coyotee | larzix, http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html |
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| 22:41.01 | zykotick9 | unfortunatly, esata on my motherboard requires a reboot, and is not hot-swappable :( stupid esata also comes in as sda - thank goodness for LABELs |
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| 22:41.35 | truexfan81 | well that was easy |
| 22:41.45 | truexfan81 | now i have my server back, thanks guys :) |
| 22:41.45 | ompaul | zykotick9: with the USB in place why not fdisk -l the thing and throw it into paste.debian.net so we can see it |
| 22:42.41 | zykotick9 | ompaul: lol, for gpt you need "parted -l" fdisk doesn't support gpt ;) you already know this i'm sure. |
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| 22:43.16 | ompaul | zykotick9: I do and I'm tired so pop it up there please I want to see if it gives /any/ useful info |
| 22:43.42 | coyotee | if it's a graphical logon, you could try other files... |
| 22:44.58 | zykotick9 | ompaul: if you give my a couple of minutes, i can. just to let you know what's gonna happen, with the USB - the is a "can't set config USB" (or similar) error, and it doesn't "really" get detected [this is dmesg output BTW]. have to relacate drive/enclosure ;) |
| 22:45.57 | plotino | hello |
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| 22:46.01 | ompaul | zykotick9: so you found some problem when are you reporting the bug ;-) |
| 22:46.41 | plotino | how is it possible to make a nas firmware based on busybox to reboot with 24h period? |
| 22:47.09 | plotino | i have to use cron? |
| 22:47.16 | coyotee | plotino, cron... |
| 22:47.21 | coyotee | yep |
| 22:47.24 | mumpitzel | not necessraily. but how is this debian related? |
| 22:47.55 | tremon | well, for one, it's being discussed in #debian... |
| 22:48.11 | coyotee | lol |
| 22:48.28 | plotino | ok i have to read some cron how to :) |
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| 22:50.11 | ompaul | zykotick9: I'd never heard of your problem before, it appears that it may relate to insufficient power being available from what I read on the internet |
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| 22:52.07 | tremon | considers suggesting adding echo reboot|at now + 24 hours to rc.local |
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| 22:52.25 | coyotee | tremon, very neet, lol |
| 22:52.31 | ompaul | tremon: 23:59 ;-) |
| 22:52.33 | coyotee | *neat, lol |
| 22:53.41 | coyotee | then you just have to scheduel the first boot by hand |
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| 22:55.48 | ompaul | crontab -e 02 02 * * * /sbin/reboot << assumes you save it however note the other method would have some drift in it |
| 22:56.17 | ompaul | x seconds after reboot then the at command ... well it might get a little fed up |
| 22:56.28 | ompaul | cron it the nicer way of doing it |
| 22:56.31 | ompaul | ime |
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| 22:57.04 | tremon | of course, that's why I was only considering it. Thank $spirit that I didn't type it out loud |
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| 22:59.03 | ompaul | tremon: the spirit was welcome for the thanks :) |
| 22:59.32 | tremon | loves imbibing spirits |
| 23:00.04 | zykotick9 | ompaul: IMPORTANT - I gave you the wrong error sorry (that was for a different drive i wrote the error down on a sticky and pasted it on the drive - my bad!) the actual error "parted -l" spits out is "Error: /dev/sdf: unrecognised disk label" althought sdf is quasi-detected by dmesg. if you'd honestly like to see any further information, i'd be HAPPY to get it for you and paste it to paste.debian.net - but honest, it happens in both squeeze a |
| 23:00.46 | tremon | zykotick9: can you paste dd if=/dev/sdf bs=512 count=1 | xxd? |
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| 23:01.22 | MagisterQuis | Hi all. |
| 23:01.29 | MagisterQuis | So, I'm trying to put together a honeypot. |
| 23:01.32 | tct | Dpkg hi |
| 23:01.33 | dpkg | salut, tct |
| 23:01.46 | MagisterQuis | The idea is it'll run telnetd with root:root. |
| 23:01.48 | MagisterQuis | Easy enough. |
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| 23:01.59 | MagisterQuis | Problem is, the login prompt doesn't ask for a username. |
| 23:02.17 | MagisterQuis | Looking at the logs, auth fails for UNKNOWN USER. |
| 23:02.19 | zykotick9 | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/799/ |
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| 23:03.30 | kristijonas | Hello, my problem is that the new version of Google seems to be lagging (closes on some particular websites, YouTube videos ara lagging, too). How can I find the previous version of Google Chrome? |
| 23:03.35 | zykotick9 | tremon: i'm "guessing" if i reboot with esata that will give different output? i can if you wish (but it's a pain as this is the system i'm ircing on) |
| 23:03.44 | tremon | zykotick9: hmm, that's about what I expected (valid mbr partition with mostly zeroes), weird that parted won't recognize it. Can gdisk read the disk label fine? |
| 23:04.07 | abrotman | kristijonas: chromium or chrome? |
| 23:04.26 | kristijonas | abrotman, chrome. |
| 23:04.26 | tremon | zykotick9: no, you won't get different results (at least I hope not). I was hoping for either all-zeroes or an error, but this is a valid "protective mbr" |
| 23:04.40 | abrotman | kristijonas: chrome isn't in Debian, you'd have to ask Google |
| 23:04.59 | zykotick9 | tremon: fyi, "blkid" as root, doesn't show sdf currently :( |
| 23:05.08 | kristijonas | abrotman, but it's Debian that suggested update. |
| 23:05.18 | truko22 | hi o/ |
| 23:05.38 | abrotman | kristijonas: Chrome is not in Debian |
| 23:06.07 | abrotman | kristijonas: Chromium is, Chrome is not |
| 23:06.09 | tremon | zykotick9: it should only show sdf[1-n], and only if it recognizes the partitions. Does anything with sdf show up in /proc/partitions? |
| 23:06.11 | mumpitzel | kristijonas: chrome is in a 3rd party, non debian repo |
| 23:06.20 | truko22 | how install → iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode and iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode |
| 23:06.36 | zykotick9 | tremon: 2 things to keep in mind: 1) with a 1TB drive this enclosure worked a few minutes ago. 2) with eSATA this same drive enclousure will work. THUS - I'm almost certain, it's a USB issue... |
| 23:06.45 | mumpitzel | truko22: there should be firmware packages for those files in non-free |
| 23:06.45 | kristijonas | abrotman, oh so debian suggests updates as the third party releases that, right? |
| 23:06.57 | truko22 | mumpitzel: ty o/ |
| 23:07.31 | tremon | zykotick9: I know, it was my first guess too. But I haven't been able to find anything definitive. You would think that something as obvious as "no >2TB support for usb 2.0" would be googleable |
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| 23:08.06 | Unspeakable | Read it: http://www.unspeakable.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3 |
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| 23:08.20 | zykotick9 | tremon: currently sdf has NO partition... just and sdf that's it. |
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| 23:08.53 | zykotick9 | s/and/an/ |
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| 23:09.21 | tremon | zykotick9: ok, so the kernel can't parse the partition table either. at least we're being consistent :) |
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| 23:09.41 | tremon | zykotick9: can you install gdisk, see what it has to say? |
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| 23:11.09 | zykotick9 | tremon: i have gdisk installed - and i think that is the search KEY ;) 2.7 this is where the windows results start happening in searches! |
| 23:11.13 | jtreminio | Evening all. I'm trying to set up a Vagrant VM and define specific versions of packages to install, particularly from dotdeb, which has an archive of their old .deb files. Does anyone know how to proceed with this? |
| 23:11.17 | roland- | hey is wheezy using gnome 3 ? |
| 23:11.48 | Nexen | yes |
| 23:12.01 | tremon | zykotick9: sadly, that made no sense at all to me... |
| 23:12.10 | zykotick9 | tremon: sorry, 2.7 is the size gdisk currently reports - but esata will give a different result! AND there are NO partitions currently with USB. |
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| 23:12.31 | spheric | So I'm kinda thinking, since ext4 has extents, instead of doing the indirect block thing like ext2/3, how bad an idea would it be to have a filesystem with a blocksize of 512? For an everyday use laptop with a usual mechanical HDD that is. |
| 23:12.49 | tremon | zykotick9: and gdisk reports no partitions either? can you paste the entire output of gdisk -l /dev/sdf? |
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| 23:13.50 | zykotick9 | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/806/ |
| 23:13.52 | tremon | jtreminio: read up on apt pinning, it should give you most of what you want |
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| 23:15.19 | tremon | spheric: no guarantees. smaller block sizes are rarely if ever tested. I thought the minimum blocksize was 1k? |
| 23:15.34 | truexfan81 | guys ty again for the help, i'm so happy to have my server back |
| 23:16.20 | tremon | zykotick9: ok, I get what you mean now. So because usb and esata are reporting different sizes, some sectors may be missing on usb |
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| 23:17.23 | tremon | zykotick9: would be very interesting to compare the exact sector count between usb and esata. Weird thing is, gpt partition table should immediately follow the mbr. If sectors are missing, you'd expect them to miss at the end of the disk |
| 23:17.57 | zykotick9 | tremon: honestly, while connected to USB it's fucked. even if you create a GPT partition, when you actually get THAT connected to eSATA it's all messed up - and needs to be recreated properly, with esata to even work. |
| 23:18.19 | tremon | zykotick9: the gdisk expert menu allows you to inspect the backup copy of the gpt, is that empty too (backup copy of gpt is at the end of the disk)? |
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| 23:18.49 | jtreminio | tremon, thanks a buncvh |
| 23:19.17 | tremon | it's (R)ecovery menu, load ba(C)kup partition table |
| 23:19.42 | tremon | just don't save the partition table when exiting |
| 23:19.44 | zykotick9 | tremon: i couldn't get a working gpt 3tb partition until i connected with esata, as long as i was using usb, i couldn't use the drive at all (even for small partitions MBR or GPT) |
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| 23:20.11 | tremon | ah, nevermind then. Then don't use it with usb :) |
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| 23:22.10 | zykotick9 | tremon: lol, that part - i already understand ;) esata for 3tb drive - my origional question, was if it was a usb2 vs usb3 type issue... but that 2.7 that gdisk gave me was a great insight - thanks (yes, it was something i'd forgotten, but you reminded me)! |
| 23:22.26 | jtreminio | If I wanted to tie my apt-get to the files in one of these folders, what would my sources.list entry look like? http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/squeeze/php5/ |
| 23:22.28 | spheric | tremon: Right, no idea, I think it's 512. I didn't think that it might not have been tested as much though. Was mostly thinking of performance issues, plus it would be fun to have small files only take up 512 bytes instead of 4ki. |
| 23:22.52 | jtreminio | I'm currently using "deb http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/squeeze/php5/5.4.11 squeeze binary-amd64" but obviously not working |
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| 23:24.07 | coyotee | jtreminio, ? |
| 23:24.36 | tremon | spheric: the important thing to remember is that linux's vm system works with pages of 4k, so the kernel will still read data in 4k batches from disk |
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| 23:24.56 | jtreminio | coyotee, basically I want to use only the versions available within here: http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/squeeze/php5/5.4.11/ |
| 23:25.12 | coyotee | jtreminio, apt pinning |
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| 23:28.21 | abrotman | jtreminio: dotdeb packages are notoriously bad |
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| 23:29.23 | jtreminio | abrotman, they're usually solid for php versions |
| 23:29.50 | abrotman | not really, but it's oyur system .. i wouldn't let them near any system i maintain |
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| 23:31.50 | zykotick9 | tremon: (i'm addressing this to you 'cause you where the person i was chatting with, but really it's for the channel ;) i'm gonna have another with the 3td attached to esata in a couple of minutes as well). this is the gdisk -l /dev/sdf with a 1TB drive attached, which works fine. http://paste.debian.net/809/ |
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| 23:35.35 | jtreminio | "archives.dotdeb.org is not a repository, fetch and install the packages manually" |
| 23:35.41 | jtreminio | d'oh. well that would explain it |
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| 23:48.38 | zykotick9 | tremon: (hope that was the right nick) the last in the "gdisk -l" series (with esata sdf USB is now sda remember), same drive but connected through esata, working fine! http://paste.debian.net/815/ ;) |
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