| 00:00.55 | Eediot | I attempted to record screencast with audio and video. Now my audio isn't working. What should I do? |
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| 00:03.55 | Eediot | No sound at all. |
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| 00:04.37 | KsM | check to see if you mic/speaker is muted? |
| 00:04.39 | truexfan81 | i need some help with a samba share |
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| 00:05.21 | truexfan81 | i successfully created the share, and added/enabled the user using smbpasswd, but when i try to access it from another machine it is telling me permission denied |
| 00:05.23 | Eediot | KsM: not muted. |
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| 00:09.05 | benedikt | the debian installer has a pretty straight forward ncurses interface to connect to wifi. does the installed system have anything similar? |
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| 00:11.26 | Eediot | "alsactl init" didn't do it, "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" didn't fix it either |
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| 00:11.55 | Eediot | Musescore: Alsa_driver: Cannot open PCM device default for playback. |
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| 00:13.12 | Eediot | Firefox: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
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| 00:28.34 | Eediot | No sound in Debian. Solution here didn't work: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f |
| 00:28.34 | Eediot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.49 | benedikt | Eediot: reboot? |
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| 00:42.15 | KsM | is there a way to have swap only be used at hybernation |
| 00:42.17 | KsM | and nothing else |
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| 00:46.35 | zykotick9 | benedikt: if you wan't ncurses based wireless, i'd suggest wicd-curses. |
| 00:49.07 | stojic | KsM: you could set swappinnes to 0, it should prevent the swapping unless the system is out of memory |
| 00:49.24 | stojic | um, swappiness |
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| 00:50.10 | KsM | I don't want that either; I just had to reboot because something memleaked and slowed me down to a halt |
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| 00:50.36 | KsM | for some reason I even couldn't get back to a VT after a few sysrq commands |
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| 00:51.09 | rweitz | Hi. is there a way I can remove all the packages that were installed when I did apt-get install gdm3 gnome xorg? |
| 00:51.14 | KsM | I usually have my swap unmounted and occasionally mount it if I think I'm going to hibernate soon, and I was going to, but then something memory leaked and ugh. |
| 00:51.45 | rweitz | When I installed, it got 750MB of files, but when I say "remove" it only wants to remove 5MB |
| 00:52.22 | KsM | rweitz: apt-get autoremove should remove the dependencies that came with those |
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| 00:53.03 | thoonai1 | hey |
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| 00:53.18 | rweitz | apt-get autoremove gdm3 gnome? is thatthe command, ksm? |
| 00:53.22 | thoonai1 | my hostapd is riddling me |
| 00:53.45 | KsM | rweitz: apt-get remove gdm3 && apt-get autoremove |
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| 00:54.25 | rweitz | yay, thank you, KsM |
| 00:54.29 | rweitz | it is working |
| 00:55.07 | rweitz | Now I have to find something that I like better than gnome3. it was obnoxious |
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| 00:56.45 | thoonai1 | its having problems with its routes and so its not working :( |
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| 00:57.46 | converge | im looking for a book to learn linux iptables, does someone have a sugestion ? |
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| 01:10.18 | abrotman | converge: probably ask #netfilter for a reference |
| 01:10.41 | converge | abrotman: just did it, thanks |
| 01:10.46 | comodo_dragon | which is good SSH protection? |
| 01:12.00 | edju | just installed wheezy amd64, and I need to run 32-bit progs. tried to install ia32libs but ran into dependency hell. tried apt-get -f install, but it was a nogo. Is there a secret to this? Any advice, pointers appreciated. |
| 01:12.18 | abrotman | comodo_dragon: against what? |
| 01:12.23 | comodo_dragon | hack attack |
| 01:12.33 | comodo_dragon | and host protect too |
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| 01:13.42 | KsM | !multiarch |
| 01:13.42 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more <ia32-libs>!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
| 01:13.52 | KsM | edju ^ |
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| 01:14.30 | edju | KsM, thanks. will read. |
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| 01:20.08 | rweitz | If there are multiple wireless networks that I connect to - 1-2 at home and 2 at work, then what is a good package to manage these settings? |
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| 01:20.31 | rweitz | right now, I have set the laptop connect to my home wireless from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:21.17 | KsM | wicd, network-manager |
| 01:21.29 | rweitz | can you also manage vpns from that? |
| 01:21.53 | KsM | network-manager I think can |
| 01:21.57 | rweitz | ok |
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| 01:22.47 | seeker61 | what is the equivalent to mp3 player that debian has |
| 01:23.05 | seeker61 | and is it defaulted or do i need to down load and install |
| 01:23.11 | rweitz | let me reboot |
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| 01:26.12 | abrotman | seeker61: there are many .. were you looking for certain features? |
| 01:26.28 | thoonai1 | bye |
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| 01:26.48 | seeker61 | abrotman: i want to listen to control tower using liveatc.net |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | that requires an mp3 player? |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | seeker61: audacious,vlc,mplayer perhaps |
| 01:28.16 | seeker61 | ok thanks |
| 01:28.34 | comodo_dragon | vlc is best in my opinion |
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| 01:35.22 | rasusto | seeker61: I recommend mplayer |
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| 01:49.14 | Matip | Hello |
| 01:49.29 | Matip | after some minutes of inactivity the screen goes blank, how do I disabled this? |
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| 01:50.58 | pepperjack | matip, usually power settings in your screensaver config depending on the desktop environment |
| 01:51.06 | Matip | kde |
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| 01:51.30 | pepperjack | probably same but Im not too familiar with kde |
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| 01:51.51 | Matip | power settings only have a few options |
| 01:52.11 | Matip | and the screen energy saving is disabled |
| 01:52.33 | seeker61 | rasusto; thanks just downloaded and installed mplayer and clicked on ict tower and nothing happens |
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| 01:52.49 | seeker61 | it says it will use mplayer but then nothing |
| 01:53.19 | pepperjack | seeker61: I like mplayer but you might want to start with a graphical option like vlc |
| 01:54.06 | seeker61 | pepperjack: ok i will try that |
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| 02:02.17 | rweitz | abrotman: i finally installed LXDE. It looks simple for me to use. Gnome3 was too much :) |
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| 02:04.23 | hesco | Well that was scary. I've never seen that before. Opening a new tab in konsole and issueing a control-C when it failed to offer me a prompt yields a "Warning: Program '/bin/bash' crashed." I immediately backed out the small change I made earlier today to my .bash_profile file (in another console) and tried again. But again I got the same warning. Any ideas how I can recover from this before I lose power and am unable to reboot this bo |
| 02:04.48 | hesco | This is my desktop where I do all of my work, a squeeze installation. |
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| 02:05.11 | abrotman | rweitz: lxde has a more windows-esque interface, i use it on my netbook |
| 02:08.23 | hesco | Trying to log in at Control-F6 terminal, I get the password prompt, but after completing the login sequence, I get: "dirname: missing operand \n basename: missing operand \n -bash :] too many arguments" |
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| 02:12.11 | thoonai | hey |
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| 02:12.40 | thoonai | still riddled about my ap and my bridge :| |
| 02:13.12 | thoonai | why does I can't see(ping) the bridge in the bridgen network0 and the wlan? |
| 02:14.10 | thoonai | *bridged |
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| 02:18.42 | petn-randall | hesco: Did you mangle your PS1 by any chance? |
| 02:19.04 | petn-randall | hesco: rename your .bash_profile and try it again. |
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| 02:24.03 | hesco | petn-randall: thanks for the input, trying that now |
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| 02:24.16 | comodo_dragon | https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Kunwon1 |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | comodo_dragon: wrong channel |
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| 02:25.56 | hesco | petn-randall: brilliant. Thanks, that must have been the issue. Thanks. That was scary. I wonder what other change I made to that file. Makes me wish I had that one in a git repo. Lesson learned on that one I guess. |
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| 02:28.21 | hesco | found it. I had changed one other line in there which I'm guessing created a circular reference. |
| 02:28.27 | hesco | crisis averted. |
| 02:28.52 | hesco | Thanks again petn-randall |
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| 02:43.49 | petn-randall | hesco: No problem, any time again :) |
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| 02:47.11 | rweitz | yay. finally using a GUI irc client |
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| 02:47.47 | Towzzer | mirc? |
| 02:47.54 | rweitz | no no, xchat |
| 02:48.05 | rweitz | was using irssi |
| 02:48.26 | Towzzer | seem a cli irc client would be hard |
| 02:48.51 | rweitz | No, irssi was fine, but it was weird to switch from the console to the GUI with Alt F7 |
| 02:49.17 | pepperjack | i always end up back with irssi. you will too i bet ;) |
| 02:49.24 | rweitz | haha |
| 02:49.29 | petn-randall | irssi++ |
| 02:49.56 | rweitz | I installed a few terminal emulator apps .. but the fonts in them look weird |
| 02:50.10 | rweitz | any suggestions for good fonts to use? I set one to use droid sans from monospace |
| 02:50.15 | rweitz | but it looks weird |
| 02:50.21 | rweitz | i am using LXDE |
| 02:50.42 | petn-randall | I'm using monospace, it does the job. |
| 02:50.55 | rweitz | and which terminal app? guake? |
| 02:51.06 | Towzzer | I use calibra 14 |
| 02:51.21 | petn-randall | xfce terminal |
| 02:51.33 | pepperjack | i like monaco |
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| 03:23.24 | sonofzeus | Hi there |
| 03:23.30 | sonofzeus | Anyone here uses phpmyadmin/ |
| 03:23.31 | sonofzeus | ?? |
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| 03:27.00 | mumpitze1 | sonofzeus: ask your real question |
| 03:27.32 | sonofzeus | I'm facing the privileges bug: I cant see the privileges tab \ Is there a workaround or fix for this bug?? |
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| 03:28.08 | sonofzeus | in PHPmyAdmin |
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| 04:09.31 | misternanyte | ok so now i have fglrx installed on 6.0.7 and i removed the .Xathority files from my home directory and wala now i'm on xchat. |
| 04:09.42 | misternanyte | only problem is gl is not working still |
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| 04:12.56 | BJFreeman | what is the apt-get package called for openjdk |
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| 04:13.23 | Rusty1 | openjdk-7-jre |
| 04:13.41 | BJFreeman | thanks |
| 04:13.50 | misternanyte | so i'm glad i got x back, but even with fglrx drivers installed GL does not work |
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| 04:14.49 | BJFreeman | does that include the complete JDK |
| 04:15.05 | BJFreeman | or just the jre |
| 04:16.02 | Infiltrator | misternanyte: Could you please expand on "does not work"? |
| 04:16.09 | Rusty1 | the jre that |
| 04:16.15 | misternanyte | wait a minute i'm installing ati's site drivers. |
| 04:16.18 | misternanyte | see if that will work |
| 04:16.29 | misternanyte | glxinfo as of now reports "segmenation fault" |
| 04:16.45 | misternanyte | ok well i gotta restart to see if my plan worked or not |
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| 04:19.06 | sonofzeus | Hey there |
| 04:19.19 | sonofzeus | How do you save a file in nano in the terminal after editing it/ |
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| 04:19.21 | sonofzeus | ??? |
| 04:19.57 | mumpitze1 | clrl+o |
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| 04:20.17 | mumpitze1 | *ctrl+o |
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| 04:20.30 | sonofzeus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wTsAhBizGkg#! I want to save like this guy does at 9.05 |
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| 04:21.33 | mumpitze1 | and I just told you how to do it |
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| 04:25.29 | sonofzeus | Okay I understand. |
| 04:25.46 | sonofzeus | But I dont get the options that guy gets weird!! |
| 04:27.06 | sonofzeus | mumpitzel do you know why thats happening? |
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| 04:27.58 | mumpitze1 | !details |
| 04:27.59 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 04:28.04 | sonofzeus | Okay |
| 04:28.15 | BJFreeman | ctrl-x Y return |
| 04:28.25 | mumpitze1 | so what happens when you press ctrl+o? |
| 04:28.32 | sonofzeus | One sec |
| 04:28.35 | sonofzeus | Gimme a se |
| 04:28.38 | sonofzeus | sec* |
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| 04:33.27 | sonofzeus | it displays file name to write and the name of the file |
| 04:33.30 | sonofzeus | shall I press enter? |
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| 04:35.03 | allure | how would you guys go about transfering 155GB of backup trough the internet daily? GridFTP? |
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| 04:38.10 | somiaj | allure: why not use rsync and only copy over the changes? |
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| 04:38.26 | somiaj | allure: is this one file or lots of files with only a few change per day? |
| 04:38.59 | allure | somiaj, first transfer - lots of files... its a backup from the samba shares of one client |
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| 04:39.45 | somiaj | allure: I'd still use rysnc over ssh (Despite the encryption overhead). That way if anything stops the transfer, you can basically start coppying where you left off |
| 04:39.58 | somiaj | allure: it has tons of options to fine tune it to your needs |
| 04:40.25 | allure | somiaj, yes, but the bandwidthd available is not very good, so I wanted to optimize the speed of the first transfer |
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| 04:41.07 | somiaj | allure: not sure you save that much using ftp. I like lftp from the command line, and think it gives resume abilities |
| 04:41.33 | somiaj | allure: rsync does have an option you can limit the transfer rate (if you want make sure you don't destroy the net connenction) |
| 04:42.01 | allure | somiaj, what I mean is that I need a better file transfering protocol for the frst transfer, meaning it transfer faster... there are several protocols faster than ftp, so... that is what I am searching for :) |
| 04:42.16 | allure | also, I need it to be debian compatible, since both boxes are debian |
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| 04:43.25 | somiaj | allure: I don't know of anything faster than ftp, but I never had a reason to look for stuff like that. In the end 155gigs is gonna take a while despite which method you use. Though no clue how much speed you save with various options |
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| 04:44.26 | allure | somiaj, I found this: http://www.filecatalyst.com/open-source-fast-file-transfers - it compares some solutions, but I would like to hear about the practicality of gridftp or some other solution from people that have used it before |
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| 04:48.26 | somiaj | allure: seems grid ftp requires a large wide area network, and from machien to machien I don't see it being any faster than ftp |
| 04:48.30 | somiaj | but that is my impression |
| 04:48.39 | Infiltrator | somiaj, allure: If you're looking for thoroughput and don't care about latency, you could go for IPoAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers). |
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| 04:50.10 | allure | Infiltrator, I was afraid someone would talk about that... lol =) |
| 04:50.38 | Infiltrator | allure: :D |
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| 04:51.30 | Infiltrator | allure: You could also just mail (or yourself drive) a portable HD. |
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| 04:54.36 | misternanyte | ok so i got fglrx to modprobe |
| 04:54.44 | allure | Infiltrator, I am sending to an online service... :/ |
| 04:54.48 | misternanyte | but still it says "no matching device section" |
| 04:55.11 | misternanyte | can't start x |
| 04:55.38 | somiaj | misternanyte: what graphics card do you have and version of debian? |
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| 04:57.08 | misternanyte | 6.0.7 of debian and I have a 6310 radon HD |
| 04:57.35 | misternanyte | this is what I did. I DID have the debian packages from the repository non-free installed.... and yes i could get into X but NO opengl at all. |
| 04:57.46 | misternanyte | when i had it setup like that, glxinfo reported "segmentation fault" |
| 04:57.46 | somiaj | misternanyte: where did you get fglrx from. I am not that familar with ati numbers, but is that a newer card (say newer than squeeze support) |
| 04:58.09 | somiaj | misternanyte: if so you may have to get newer stuff from squeeze-backports |
| 04:58.09 | misternanyte | and so i tried to fix it by downloading PROPRIETY drivers from ATI.com |
| 04:58.29 | somiaj | misternanyte: use squeeze-backports, upstream drivers don't mix well with a debian system |
| 04:58.31 | misternanyte | and at first fglrx wouldn't lode but "modprobe fglrx" fixed that... but still trying to start up x results in "no matching device section found" |
| 04:58.42 | histo | misternanyte: what's in yoru /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:59.08 | misternanyte | sorry i really never learned what the CLI shortcuts were in linux. How do I paste that stuff in here? |
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| 05:00.05 | misternanyte | i get agitated having to learn all these different programs and shortcuts. |
| 05:00.06 | histo | misternanyte: you can use pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or nano /etc/X11/org.conf and copy the text and paste it ehre |
| 05:00.13 | misternanyte | if i had the resources i'd just make my own computer... |
| 05:00.22 | misternanyte | ok i'll try that |
| 05:00.23 | histo | misternanyte: It's like any operating system you have to learn. |
| 05:00.30 | histo | dpkg tell misternanyte about ati |
| 05:00.41 | somiaj | misternanyte: ati.com's upstream really isn't supported by #debian. I would suggest you get the version from squeeze backports. |
| 05:01.07 | misternanyte | now this "backport" thing is new to me, what is this? hang on copy pasta... |
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| 05:01.20 | somiaj | !tell misternanyte about squeeze-backports |
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| 05:04.00 | misternanyte | pastebin says "this api has been disabled please use *newurl* |
| 05:04.15 | somiaj | misternanyte: I think there should be more mention of backports, but it is newer software compiled and prepared to run squeeze |
| 05:04.24 | somiaj | misternanyte: is this a desktop system? |
| 05:04.29 | somiaj | misternanyte: (or laptop for personal use)? |
| 05:04.40 | misternanyte | yes it's a desktop... but it has laptop hybrid parts. |
| 05:04.45 | misternanyte | it's a compaq crapserio. |
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| 05:05.00 | misternanyte | like... it's amd-350 processor... it's bga, not pga. |
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| 05:05.51 | somiaj | misternanyte: I would suggest running wheezy (Debian 7.0) as you may find you have less issues with yoru newer hardware. That hardware should be supported out of the box with wheezy |
| 05:06.14 | misternanyte | yeah hopefully. Yeah my system is slow but it's almost brand new only 3 years old or so? |
| 05:06.44 | misternanyte | I can get X to run but only in 800x600, and only after i reinstall the radeon drivers. But of course, it won't give me opengl. |
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| 05:07.04 | misternanyte | dpkg tell misternanyte about squeeze-backports |
| 05:07.32 | misternanyte | alright i'm getting annoyed. One thing after another man.... |
| 05:07.35 | somiaj | misternanyte: /msg dpkg foo (if you want the info for yourself) |
| 05:08.10 | somiaj | misternanyte: but wheezy will be relased and stable in less than two weeks. It should run just fine and be just as stable as squeeze. The advantage it is will support your hardware with out having to use backports |
| 05:08.39 | misternanyte | you know... i'm getting tired of reading lol, honestly though i'm not complaining |
| 05:08.48 | misternanyte | i'm having more fun failing at getting X to run, than I've ever had running windows |
| 05:08.51 | misternanyte | and it's free |
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| 05:09.31 | Infiltrator | misternanyte: Far more importantly: it's Free. |
| 05:10.05 | misternanyte | yes i enjoy learning about it |
| 05:10.17 | misternanyte | but what I hate is... I used to use sarge and etch, and never had a damn problem with it... |
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| 05:10.33 | misternanyte | but... the computer industry constantly eats itself and pumps out new unstable crap constantly |
| 05:10.45 | misternanyte | it's impossible to keep up unless you are a programmer yourself. |
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| 05:11.32 | misternanyte | i should just go back to the old stuff and use the old stuff permanantly |
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| 05:13.45 | rryoumaa | misternanyte: compatibility is the problem |
| 05:15.33 | misternanyte | and the backport sources.list url doesn't work. |
| 05:15.57 | misternanyte | rryoumaa, no it's stupid ass computer companies and the people who are dumb enough to buy every new thing that comes out |
| 05:16.09 | misternanyte | it's all about social engineering... and controlling the users ability to talk to others |
| 05:16.17 | misternanyte | because if you don't have a new system, you can't talk to all the people that do |
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| 05:17.00 | misternanyte | and then if you only want to talk to smart nerdy programmers, then you have to be super secure because they will hack you |
| 05:17.11 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 05:17.11 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 05:18.48 | ectospasm | misternanyte: you should try wheezy. Supposedly it will be "stable" next week. |
| 05:19.06 | misternanyte | ok well now i got the debian mirror to update for backports |
| 05:19.12 | misternanyte | now how do I install the fglrx from backports? |
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| 05:21.02 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell misternanyte -about fglrx |
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| 05:22.35 | somiaj | misternanyte: again, my suggestion is just reinstall (if you aren't that far) and install wheezy, might be faster to fix your issue pluss you won't run into this with your other hardware |
| 05:22.45 | somiaj | misternanyte: wheezy will just support your hardware better. |
| 05:23.13 | misternanyte | true but if i can save a few DVD discs from being destroyed, i'll just install the backports. |
| 05:23.20 | misternanyte | but mr. dpkg is not very helpful :/ |
| 05:23.32 | misternanyte | and damn, google doesn't do crap for me either |
| 05:23.43 | somiaj | misternanyte: you can upgrade squeeze to wheezy (with a little work) |
| 05:23.57 | somiaj | misternanyte: you can also install debian from a usb thumb drive and save the dvds |
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| 05:24.57 | misternanyte | yeah i know i just have to wait another 2 weeks for that to happen. |
| 05:25.40 | somiaj | misternanyte: well while you are reading and looking at ideas, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 05:25.47 | misternanyte | is there a more detailed verbose apt-get install option that will show me the file names of the packages to be installed? |
| 05:26.46 | misternanyte | i cannot understand dpkg's users instructions. They look like programming instructions. hard to follow |
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| 05:27.09 | somiaj | misternanyte: dpkg -L package_name (lists all the files installed by a packag e(if it is installed)) |
| 05:27.19 | somiaj | misternanyte: there is also apt-file |
| 05:27.38 | misternanyte | ok thank you |
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| 05:28.03 | misternanyte | but i'm looking for how to display the apt-cache SEARCH file names |
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| 05:28.18 | misternanyte | so if i wanted to install a backport, i'd need to make sure the apt-cache search option is showing the backport and not the stable |
| 05:28.37 | somiaj | misternanyte: you mean package names, which is what apt-cache search shows |
| 05:28.58 | somiaj | misternanyte: the package names are the same, you just have to tell apt-get to install them, with apt-get -t squeeze-backports pkg_name |
| 05:29.20 | misternanyte | aha, now you're talking. THANKS MAN! |
| 05:30.21 | misternanyte | except there is no -t option :) |
| 05:30.46 | somiaj | yes there is |
| 05:30.47 | misternanyte | crap nevermind was just a typo |
| 05:30.56 | misternanyte | i typed f instead sorry high resolution :) |
| 05:31.22 | misternanyte | now i shall reboot |
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| 05:43.20 | misternanyte | ok well i installed those backports but apparently the repositories only support radeon 1. |
| 05:43.28 | misternanyte | the first radeon from what, 2001? |
| 05:43.36 | misternanyte | but at least it lets me get back on X |
| 05:43.59 | misternanyte | are you guys sure that wheezy will support a 6310 hd? |
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| 05:44.58 | misternanyte | why is ati's support for debian so horrible they used to be really good |
| 05:45.12 | misternanyte | mr. root prolly shouldn't be joining irc lol |
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| 05:46.50 | somiaj | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 05:46.51 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; sid/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; experimental/non-free: 1:13.1-2 |
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| 05:47.24 | somiaj | misternanyte: the version of fglrx-driver is 12.x in wheezy, so just have to double check that supports your card |
| 05:48.32 | somiaj | misternanyte: from the package description, " This driver release supports the following graphics adapter families: AMD Radeon HD 7000, AMD Radeon HD 6000, and AMD Radeon HD 5000." |
| 05:48.36 | somiaj | so yea it will support it |
| 05:49.23 | misternanyte | thank god and thanks to you |
| 05:49.38 | misternanyte | i will just get a CD-r if i can find one and get a minimal ISO |
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| 05:53.01 | misternanyte | so why does debian constantly change to conform to all these new computers... |
| 05:53.26 | ectospasm | package stability, for one. |
| 05:53.55 | misternanyte | sounds like a lot of work. You wouldn't happen to know of a linux community that doesn't care about new computers? |
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| 05:54.31 | ectospasm | The cycle for a new distro (lenny, squeeze, wheezy) is about two years of testing, two years of stable, and two years of old-stable, by my reckoning... by the time it hits stable it can't change any more 'cept through backports. |
| 05:55.38 | ectospasm | Debian will always be behind the curve, since each package must be vetted and tested before it hits even sid. If you want the latest packages, install piecemeal from experimental, but watch out! |
| 05:56.39 | misternanyte | yeah. What I'm saying is i'm surprised the linux community in general simply doesnt go against the grain and ONLY care about the people who truly use linux for the freedom... and forget about this new stuff |
| 05:57.38 | ectospasm | again, this is OT for this channel. |
| 05:57.53 | ectospasm | care to continue in #debian-offtopic? |
| 05:59.17 | misternanyte | i can't i got TOO off topic in that channel |
| 06:00.40 | talx | misternanyte:sounds like you like computers and linux then again dont like the work or i am missing something |
| 06:00.57 | misternanyte | i do like the work |
| 06:01.47 | talx | ok, wellthen there must be something really i misseed |
| 06:01.54 | somiaj | misternanyte: it is more just understanding you are needing. Once you see how things are done it makes more sense |
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| 06:08.09 | andreas_ | hi everyone |
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| 06:29.38 | bolly | hey |
| 06:29.47 | bolly | i have this weird issue where i keep getting assigned a dns serer in resolv.conf |
| 06:29.58 | bolly | so the dhcp interface i thought it was getting it from i changed to static |
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| 06:30.08 | bolly | but even when i do resolveconf -u it still puts it back |
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| 06:37.19 | jarray52 | Is Perl used at all in Debian internals? (By internals, I mean package management/configuration management/startup scripts/or other relevant aspects of the OS) |
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| 06:47.45 | somiaj | jarray52: perl-base is a 'required' package so the system will most likely not function with out it |
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| 06:48.49 | somiaj | jarray52: though perl-modules is only standard. From that I would say that there are things that depend on perl by debian internals. |
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| 06:51.25 | jarray52 | somiaj: Do you know what inside Debian depends on perl? |
| 06:52.57 | rabbieth | jarray52: grep -r '#!/usr/bin/perl' / and similar to that? |
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| 06:56.39 | jarray52 | rabbieth: Thanks. Didn't think of that. |
| 06:56.48 | Omegapi | hello |
| 06:57.19 | rabbieth | jarray52: yw :) |
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| 07:14.27 | peterrooney | is there some way for grep to skip out if no match in first N lines, or are we going to have to write a perl script? |
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| 07:19.10 | debdeb | hi |
| 07:19.47 | debdeb | is there any tool in debian for decission-helping? |
| 07:20.28 | debdeb | i mean something which helps to make a decission between products |
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| 07:27.55 | peterrooney | debdeb: No. There is no way to know what criteria people will consider important. |
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| 07:28.39 | peterrooney | Know what your criteria are - only then you can compare two packages. |
| 07:28.51 | debdeb | peterrooney: thats it. it should let me input my criterias |
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| 07:29.50 | debdeb | like: for a laptop: which cpu is mor important then which hdd |
| 07:29.59 | peterrooney | debdeb: Give an example. |
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| 07:30.58 | debdeb | mabe its enough to have a good openoffice-document (calc) for that |
| 07:31.06 | debdeb | example: |
| 07:31.15 | peterrooney | "No programming language will free you of the burden of clarifying your thinking" |
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| 07:32.05 | debdeb | a laptop. i will input the things, which are in an offer for a laptop. like... cpu, ram and so on |
| 07:32.26 | debdeb | i decide, which parts i wight higher |
| 07:32.54 | debdeb | the program/document gives points for answers |
| 07:33.59 | debdeb | at the end it calculates the points for the whole offer and chooses, which offer is the best for me |
| 07:35.23 | peterrooney | debdeb: You have just describe a spreadsheet. |
| 07:35.46 | debdeb | i mean... there are several companies, which buy things for them... i cant believe, they dont have tools for decission-making in buying thing |
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| 07:36.14 | anti_ | Why does installing proprietary nvidia drivers have to be harder than sudo apt-get install nvidia ? |
| 07:36.47 | debdeb | peterrooney: yes. normally i would do it with a spreadsheet. but maybe there is a toll spezialised for something like that? |
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| 07:37.04 | debdeb | s/toll/tool |
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| 07:38.05 | debdeb | and if there is nothing etter than a spreadsheed... is there somewhere one which i can use? |
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| 07:40.44 | debdeb | ok, i am asking, too, because i am not that really good in making spreadsheeds with calc/excel |
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| 07:42.06 | anti_ | Anyone? |
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| 07:42.58 | debdeb | anti_: maybe, because they _are_ proprietary? |
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| 07:45.25 | anti_ | debdeb Well, I mean given that I've enabled non-free repositories. |
| 07:45.42 | zamN | Hi i installed a binary and can't seem to find out *wherE* it was installed to (using apt-get). How can I find out where it was installed and what the name of the binary was under? |
| 07:45.55 | themill | anti_: #586502 discusses this |
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| 07:46.09 | themill | zamN: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 07:46.48 | zamN | omg thank you so much themill! |
| 07:46.50 | zamN | lol |
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| 07:48.36 | debdeb | you can go in a .deb with mc, too and look which binary are in there installed where |
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| 08:49.02 | jdoe1 | I just installed Debian, first Linux OS, tried playing Tux Racer it goes into full screen but hangs immediately, what’s the ctrl+alt+del equivalent in GNU/Linux? (Had to hard power off) |
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| 08:53.05 | ectospasm | jdoe1: can you switch to another virtual terminal with CTRL-ALT-F1? |
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| 08:53.48 | babilen | jdoe1: Which version did you install? What is your GPU? |
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| 08:56.23 | babilen | jdoe1: And you can almost always reboot a system by using the magic sysrq "reisub" sequence. Press ALT and PRTSC and then (while still holding the two) "r", "e", "i", "s", "u", "b" and wait a little (say 2-5s) between each -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 08:56.59 | babilen | jdoe1: Softer variants include what ectospasm mentioned or simply CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE |
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| 08:59.39 | jdoe1 | thanks all, I'll try ctrl-alt-f1 next time, I have wheezy, GPU! ha is an old machine AMD Athlon64 4200 6Gb Ram 128Mb nvidia |
| 09:00.01 | babilen | jdoe1: Which driver do you use? |
| 09:00.25 | jdoe1 | wow ALT + PRTSC while typing.... yoga for your fingers :) |
| 09:00.44 | jdoe1 | I haven't done anything special like installing drivers |
| 09:01.30 | babilen | jdoe1: Okay, you might want to install the nvidia drivers if you plan to play games such as Tux Racer -- Do you have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old file? |
| 09:01.46 | babilen | jdoe1: Which card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) |
| 09:01.47 | jdoe1 | gnome looks pretty nice/snappy so I think maybe drivers are ok!? |
| 09:01.54 | ectospasm | babilen: I haven't found that CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE works anymore... do you know how to configure it? I've been to lazy to figure it out. |
| 09:02.51 | jdoe1 | john@desktop:~$ lspci -nn|grep -i vga |
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| 09:02.52 | jdoe1 | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] [10de:01d1] (rev a1) |
| 09:03.14 | babilen | ectospasm: Yeah, you can configure it with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" -- You essentially want terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp in XKBOPTIONS in /etc/default/keyboard |
| 09:03.22 | babilen | jdoe1: Thanks, one second please. |
| 09:03.32 | Pymous | Hello ! I have a weird question ! |
| 09:03.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell jdoe1 about nvidia dkms wheezy |
| 09:04.09 | babilen | jdoe1: Our bot just told you how to install /and/ configure the nvidia drivers on wheezy |
| 09:04.30 | Pymous | I'd like to compress the content of one folder, but the content is used in live in another program, and I'd like to find something which is not to invasive (zip make the whole thing lag) |
| 09:04.33 | Pymous | Any idea ? |
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| 09:05.04 | babilen | tar with xz? |
| 09:05.17 | Pymous | xz ? |
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| 09:05.59 | jdoe1 | babilen: I haven't seen any messages I am using Pidgin |
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| 09:06.34 | babilen | dpkg: nvidia dkms wheezy |
| 09:06.35 | dpkg | For Wheezy users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 09:06.44 | babilen | Pymous: Indeed! |
| 09:07.04 | jdoe1 | I have /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old how to easily share? the file scrolls beyond the buffer of my terminal so is difficult to cut/paste into pastebin |
| 09:07.21 | babilen | Pymous: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xz and it is the "-J" or "--xz" option to tar |
| 09:07.29 | babilen | dpkg: nopaste |
| 09:07.30 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 09:07.56 | babilen | jdoe1: You could then run "nopaste /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old" -- but I have to run now. Give the nvidia driver a try and see you later |
| 09:07.57 | jdoe1 | babilen: ok getting the messages now :) |
| 09:08.14 | jdoe1 | babilen: will do thanks for your time |
| 09:08.15 | Pymous | babilen > I will check this out when I come back, thanks ! |
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| 09:10.47 | babilen | Pymous: If you simply want to "bundle" them, then you don't have to compress anything with tar. |
| 09:11.02 | Pymous | babilen > What do you mean ? |
| 09:11.11 | jdoe1 | answer to babilen prev question re /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old file, it is here http://pastie.org/7732312 |
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| 09:37.33 | LRN | invariant, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/12/msg01027.html |
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| 09:51.06 | debdeb | ok, i will buy an raspberry-pi and want to use wheezy on it |
| 09:51.18 | alonzoh | ok |
| 09:51.20 | debdeb | first: is it possible? |
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| 09:51.28 | alonzoh | yup |
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| 09:52.49 | debdeb | next: i want do use a micro-SD-card with microSD->SD-adapter (with this adaper the SD-card dont look out of the slot... thats why i want microSD) |
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| 09:53.33 | alonzoh | debdeb: #raspbian |
| 09:54.22 | debdeb | so my next step is to find a very good microSD. prize is not that important when its < 50 eur for 32gb... any tips for the microSD? |
| 09:54.32 | alonzoh | #hardware |
| 09:54.40 | debdeb | alonzoh: ah... diddnt know. thanks |
| 09:54.56 | debdeb | i mean #raspbian |
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| 10:10.25 | i4c | debdeb: what cpu architecture is raspberry-pi ? |
| 10:10.44 | alonzoh | arm |
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| 10:10.58 | i4c | thx |
| 10:11.07 | mumpitze1 | i4c: armv6 |
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| 10:11.43 | mumpitze1 | rather: ARM11 arch with armv6 ISA |
| 10:11.46 | g0dfrey | "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2 stuck for 22s! [kworker/2:2:809]" Could this be considered as a kernel bug? |
| 10:13.23 | alonzoh | AKA arm |
| 10:13.28 | debdeb | i4c: arm |
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| 10:14.31 | debdeb | #raspbian is quite quiet... unfortunately |
| 10:14.54 | alonzoh | it's very early in the morning, Sunday morning |
| 10:14.56 | g0dfrey | the full system log is here:http://paste.debian.net/862/ |
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| 10:16.47 | ectospasm | g0dfrey: I've seen that error with hardware failures... |
| 10:18.50 | g0dfrey | ectospasm: a probelm with the hardware(it's Realtek's Ethernet Controller) but not a problem with the driver? |
| 10:19.09 | ectospasm | could be either |
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| 10:19.40 | ectospasm | which Realtek chipset is it? I always have to wrangle with my HTPC's Ethernet driver when I reinstall the OS |
| 10:19.41 | g0dfrey | the problem happens when the switch is flooded |
| 10:19.56 | g0dfrey | ectospasm: RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 07) |
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| 10:20.32 | ectospasm | g0dfrey: that's the same one I got: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
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| 10:21.09 | ectospasm | g0dfrey: which driver are you using? I'm using r8168 |
| 10:21.23 | ectospasm | I had to install it separately, IIRC |
| 10:21.31 | ectospasm | had to get the driver from Realtek |
| 10:21.53 | g0dfrey | ectospasm:So the same problem happened to you in the past? |
| 10:22.47 | ectospasm | g0dfrey: yes: http://aplawrence.com/Linux/rtl811.html |
| 10:23.34 | ectospasm | g0dfrey: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121639 |
| 10:23.59 | ectospasm | g0dfrey: https://unixblogger.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/the-pain-of-an-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-ethernet-card/ |
| 10:24.11 | ectospasm | and that's the end. Google "debian rtl8111" for more |
| 10:24.12 | g0dfrey | ectospasm: thankyou and sorry for my poor english |
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| 10:24.49 | ectospasm | g0dfrey: it's been a while, but I had to download the r8168 driver from Realtek directly... not sure if that's still the case. |
| 10:25.04 | ectospasm | Had to blacklist the r8169 driver, since it is buggy as you're seeing. |
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| 10:26.48 | g0dfrey | ectospasm: It's the first time that the problem happens for more than a month |
| 10:27.29 | babilen | ectospasm: You definitenly don't have to download it directly, but you can install it via the package manager |
| 10:27.32 | ectospasm | I had problems with r8169 in wheezy and sid, but in squeeze I had no issues. Go figure. |
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| 10:27.46 | babilen | dpkg: r8168 |
| 10:27.46 | dpkg | r8168 is an out-of-tree Linux kernel driver supporting Realtek PCI-E gigabit Ethernet controllers, made available by the vendor. r8168 should only be used for devices not yet supported by the in-tree <r8169> driver. Packaged for Debian as r8168-dkms in <unstable>, this will never be part of a stable Debian release. Purging the r8168-dkms package is required to remove the r8169 blacklist. http://code.google.com/p/r8168/ |
| 10:27.52 | sevenfourk | guys what's opposite of aptitude -y/ |
| 10:28.02 | alonzoh | aptitude -soserious |
| 10:28.05 | babilen | fwiw ^^^ but trying a different kernel (say 3.8 from exp) is worth a try too |
| 10:28.06 | ectospasm | babilen: good to know for next time |
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| 10:28.13 | sevenfourk | alonzoh: obliged! |
| 10:28.31 | sevenfourk | :-) |
| 10:28.33 | alonzoh | heh |
| 10:28.44 | alonzoh | sevenfourk: I don't see one |
| 10:28.45 | jimcooncat | what freenx tech is in wheezy? I've been wanting to replace my vnc over ssh sessions for quite a while, but didn't have time to play with the bugginess NX was in the past |
| 10:28.46 | ectospasm | sevenfourk: aptitude without -y is the opposite. It'll ask for everything. |
| 10:29.11 | alonzoh | that's not really the opposite |
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| 10:29.32 | Cheiseun | That's cool that as soon as I came in there was discussion relevant to a problem I had previously. |
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| 10:30.22 | ectospasm | alonzoh: if you say "no" to *everything*, you won't install *anything* |
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| 10:30.29 | ectospasm | or do anything else |
| 10:30.31 | sevenfourk | ectospasm: thing is I've configured apt to assume yes. and was surfing man to find option for asking. |
| 10:30.49 | ectospasm | sounds like a bad idea, IMO |
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| 10:31.20 | ectospasm | The last time I used -y, apt decided to uninstall all my X11 packages, about 4,000 of them |
| 10:31.34 | sevenfourk | aptitude never let me down so far |
| 10:32.16 | jimcooncat | I see some compression libraries and nxproxy, but no nx server |
| 10:32.24 | ectospasm | I always let it ask, since aptitude can get aggressive resolving conflicts, and uninstall stuff you want to keep. |
| 10:32.26 | sevenfourk | ectospasm: actually I usualy do DISPLAY=:0 urxvt -e bash -c '/usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/aptitude safe-upgrade' |
| 10:32.30 | sevenfourk | in crontab |
| 10:32.52 | sevenfourk | ectospasm: I do search before 'install' |
| 10:33.07 | sevenfourk | anyway, thank you guys. |
| 10:33.47 | ectospasm | I always upgrade manually. In root's .bashrc: alias upgrade='aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' |
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| 10:33.53 | alonzoh | ectospasm: asking isn't the same as assuming no |
| 10:34.39 | sevenfourk | ectospasm: what about safe-upgrade? I do usualy use this option. |
| 10:34.42 | ectospasm | alonzoh: yes, but if aptitude is installing/upgrading several packages, it always asks (by default, anyway) |
| 10:34.48 | sevenfourk | never breaks things. |
| 10:35.04 | alonzoh | ectospasm: right, which makes it not the opposite of -y |
| 10:35.05 | ectospasm | sevenfourk: that's the point of safe-upgrade. But then you may not get some packages upgraded. |
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| 10:36.12 | ectospasm | alonzoh: so you're saying asking is not the opposite. Not asking at all is the opposite of -y... I think the latter is not useful. |
| 10:36.39 | sevenfourk | ectospasm: ahh my work 'opposise' was pretty wrong, Ughhh |
| 10:36.43 | alonzoh | mabye, but that's irrelevant |
| 10:36.44 | sevenfourk | word* |
| 10:36.51 | alonzoh | he wants it to decline by default, not ask, not accept |
| 10:37.14 | alonzoh | or at least that's what he said he wanted |
| 10:38.14 | debdeb | uhh... full-upgrade from cron... i would like at least a daily full-backup ^^ |
| 10:38.40 | sevenfourk | :-) |
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| 10:40.25 | debdeb | and maybe a second machine, wich does daily tests for the upgrade-from-cron-machine and can revert it, if it isnt responding... |
| 10:40.41 | debdeb | which needs a remote-reboot... somehow |
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| 10:41.59 | debdeb | .oO(i think of remote-servers which i cant reboot easy) |
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| 10:47.10 | fincham | is anyone having trouble with Pidgin in Wheezy not wanting to connect to XMPP servers? I get "Not Authorized" back from a server that worked pre-upgrade... I have also tried deleting the acct and re-creating it... |
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| 10:48.04 | abrotman | fincham: i'm connected now |
| 10:48.11 | abrotman | to multiple |
| 10:48.19 | abrotman | fincham: are you using network-manager? |
| 10:48.37 | abrotman | fincham: try starting it with the -f option |
| 10:50.12 | fincham | abrotman: I am running network manager. I can see from the pidgin -d logs that it makes the SSL connection and talks to the server, the server just returns a Not Authorized now :/ |
| 10:51.29 | abrotman | fincham: i'm using three at the moment .. i'd say it works fine .. |
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| 10:51.55 | fincham | thanks abrotman :) |
| 10:54.17 | abrotman | fincham: how many are you you trying to use? |
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| 10:56.50 | fincham | just one abrotman ... oddly it works fine in Psi |
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| 11:01.12 | i4c | would any of u recommend installing kde on wheezy, i don't like the new gnome 3 ? I heard kde used to be unstable, how is it on wheezy ? |
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| 11:01.53 | debdeb | it belongs |
| 11:02.01 | fincham | i4c: XFCE is probably more like Gnome 2.30 than KDE, if you want minimal change to your workflow |
| 11:02.15 | alonzoh | what fincham said |
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| 11:02.21 | alonzoh | except it's Xfce not XFCE =) |
| 11:02.22 | abrotman | or even lxde |
| 11:02.40 | fincham | alonzoh: quite right, KDE primed me for uppercase naming somehow I think ;) |
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| 11:02.46 | debdeb | with which ressources? more techy? like a tiling-wm? lazy? |
| 11:02.54 | hyppias | I run a raspberry pi webserver with linux, attached to my router. Which SIMPLE dns server program can I use to service mij 192.168.x.y net ? |
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| 11:03.04 | fincham | hyppias: dnsmasq |
| 11:03.10 | hyppias | thnx |
| 11:03.14 | fincham | or unbound |
| 11:03.22 | fincham | unbound might actually be simpler nowadays :) |
| 11:03.49 | hyppias | ok |
| 11:03.52 | debdeb | right. dnsmasq |
| 11:04.11 | fincham | unbound needs no setup, just install it. plus you can enable DNSSEC validation later if you're feeling brave :) |
| 11:04.39 | fincham | actually you might have to configure it to bind 192.168.x.x, I imagine Debian have it set to bind localhost only by default. |
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| 11:06.29 | i4c | is xfce very customizable ? one thing i heard about kde is how customizable it is, hmm i might try both kde and xfce. |
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| 11:07.30 | abrotman | i4c: try it and see |
| 11:08.20 | fincham | KDE used to hve more options than Xfce for customisation, but I imagine they've toned it down somewhat lately? I'd be interested to know actually since removing useful configuration choices seems to be in vogue right now :/ |
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| 11:08.58 | i4c | ye fincham that was my biggest grip in gnome 3, i don't mind the shell that much, but removing features is a no-no for me. |
| 11:09.28 | fincham | abrotman: looks like there might be a bug w/ ejabberd vs DIGEST-MD5 auth in the newer libpurple used in Wheezy |
| 11:09.42 | fincham | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654853 looks like the same problem I'm having |
| 11:09.48 | abrotman | oh, neat |
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| 11:13.58 | apm1 | the final iso builds will arrive at the most by 5th may |
| 11:14.09 | abrotman | maybe |
| 11:14.25 | apm1 | since 6th is a Monday |
| 11:14.27 | abrotman | in the past, the ISOs don't always appear the same day |
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| 11:15.01 | apm1 | yeah that means the final ISOs will be built on 6th i predict |
| 11:15.09 | apm1 | weekly images schedule and all |
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| 11:15.11 | abrotman | you just said the 5th |
| 11:15.17 | apm1 | yeah |
| 11:15.20 | petn-randall | :) |
| 11:15.27 | apm1 | and i also noted that 6th is a monday |
| 11:15.29 | abrotman | so you are saying you lied? |
| 11:15.59 | apm1 | no i am saying you failed to see what i implied |
| 11:15.59 | apm1 | XD |
| 11:16.05 | apm1 | old people are fun XD |
| 11:16.20 | abrotman | you didn't imply anything |
| 11:16.30 | apm1 | i did |
| 11:16.37 | apm1 | you just didn't wait enough |
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| 11:16.44 | apm1 | to let me type the second part |
| 11:16.50 | abrotman | maybe |
| 11:16.52 | abrotman | because you keep |
| 11:16.56 | abrotman | hitting en |
| 11:16.57 | abrotman | ter |
| 11:17.02 | apm1 | t |
| 11:17.03 | apm1 | r |
| 11:17.04 | apm1 | u |
| 11:17.05 | apm1 | e |
| 11:17.07 | apm1 | Xd |
| 11:17.19 | alonzoh | trueXd |
| 11:17.19 | abrotman | prays for debhelper to kick in |
| 11:17.20 | apm1 | stops |
| 11:17.27 | alonzoh | brakes |
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| 11:17.38 | debdeb | btw... wheezy... i have to say... i am a lazy one... and still have a machine with lenny... would you reccommend to upgrade from lenny->eheezy direktly or do an upgrade to squeeze between? |
| 11:17.53 | abrotman | debdeb: you must do squeeze in between |
| 11:18.05 | petn-randall | wishes people would stop flogging the dead horse. |
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| 11:18.35 | bolt | wishes someone would bury all the dead horses so others wouldn't be tempted to flog them all the time |
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| 11:19.19 | debdeb | argh... thats work... which makes me lazy again... to leave it on lenny ^^ |
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| 11:19.42 | fincham | debdeb: that doesn't really "work", I would argue |
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| 11:21.47 | fincham | well this DIGEST-MD5 bug is gonna suck, if that's what it is |
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| 11:23.02 | petn-randall | debdeb: Keep in mind that lenny isn't supported anymore for quite a while now. Getting stuff done will be more and more work with it. |
| 11:23.22 | fincham | not to mention if it has anything Internet facing on it.... |
| 11:23.28 | fincham | points to the debian-security-announce list for inspiration |
| 11:23.38 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 11:23.39 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 11:23.48 | abrotman | which doesn't even address lenny anymore i don 'thtink |
| 11:24.14 | fincham | ooh, I haven't seen debsecan before. thanks :) |
| 11:24.32 | debdeb | petn-randall: it is supported in the way, that still deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny exist ;-) |
| 11:24.42 | abrotman | debdeb: that's not supported, that's archived |
| 11:24.48 | debdeb | ^^ |
| 11:25.07 | abrotman | debdeb: lenny hasn't had a security update in over a year |
| 11:25.16 | debdeb | and its only a machine, which i use for tv-viewing. no wurfing or such |
| 11:25.18 | debdeb | surfing |
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| 11:25.48 | petn-randall | debdeb: It's *NOT* supported. And that has security implications you need to be aware of. |
| 11:26.08 | fincham | lenny -> squeeze is a pretty painless upgrade, anyway. I can't vouch for squeeze -> wheezy but I can only assume it won't be too bad :) |
| 11:26.32 | debdeb | i find "never touch a running system" very important ;-) |
| 11:27.02 | fincham | I'd wager that if it just runs your TV you won't even get breakages in a squeeze upgrade |
| 11:27.05 | alonzoh | hard to catch up to them to touch them, anyways |
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| 11:27.13 | petn-randall | debdeb: Then someone else will touch it for you ... |
| 11:27.20 | i4c | i poke it with a stick |
| 11:27.36 | abrotman | debdeb: that's just dumb |
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| 11:27.49 | debdeb | hey... maybe a nice guy, which pgrades for me? ^^ |
| 11:28.27 | fincham | debdeb just remember to upgrade udev / the kernel and reboot, then apt-get dist-upgrade as usual. problem solved |
| 11:29.27 | debdeb | and yes... i am really lazy... but btw... thats the machine, which i want to replace with the raspberry... if that works... problem solved |
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| 11:30.41 | debdeb | and another argument to let it on lenny is for me, that it is very ressource-limited... K6-2cpu... 128MB ram |
| 11:32.53 | wulllst | does anyone know the reson why debian wheezy only includes the current nvidia driver series? i have a GeForce 2 and it is obviously not supported. i always thought that, basically, every old peice of hardware trash you can find, will work with debian. |
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| 11:34.24 | wulllst | even worse: the howto for installing the nvidia driver via the nvidia-method is not to be found in the debian wiki. is there some policy behind that? |
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| 11:34.31 | petn-randall | wulllst: That's nvidia's decision, not Debian's. They dropped support for the older chipsets and the older drivers won't build on more current kernels. |
| 11:34.37 | alonzoh | wulllst: hrmm, it used to be |
| 11:35.00 | petn-randall | wulllst: I do think they're supported by the open-source drivers, though. |
| 11:35.15 | alonzoh | the upstream .bin works, too, IME |
| 11:35.28 | wulllst | petn-randall: yes, but i'm talking about 3d-acceleration |
| 11:36.03 | mumpitze1 | wulllst: nouveau does 3D |
| 11:36.51 | wulllst | petn-randall: i also know, nvidia periodically drops support for the oldest stuff. but, as far as i read, it alsway has four versions of drivers, that means: 3 packs of legacy drivers. wheezy only includes the currenz package. so this seems to be a debin decision. |
| 11:36.57 | wulllst | mumpitze1: ok. did not know that |
| 11:37.15 | wulllst | mumpitze1: but is in a serious replacement? |
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| 11:38.28 | wulllst | mumpitze1: i mean, i'm also having some graphics problems with this machine and i thought installing the original driver could solve them. |
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| 11:40.19 | tremon | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-96xx ? |
| 11:40.53 | tremon | not sure which "legacy" cards that driver supports, though |
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| 11:44.37 | mumpitze1 | tremon: apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms tells you, it won't support a GF2 GTX. but nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms does |
| 11:44.52 | mumpitze1 | wulllst: have you actually tried these 71xx and 96xx packages? |
| 11:44.58 | wulllst | tremon: "Wheezy only contains the current series." (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers) |
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| 11:45.38 | wulllst | mumpitze1: i think in former debian installations on this machine i used the official nvidia drivers and installed the nvidia-way |
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| 11:47.10 | wulllst | tremon: well, there seem to more versions available in wheezy that the wiki states. |
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| 11:48.25 | wulllst | quite chaotic, that is. |
| 11:48.28 | tremon | yes, it seems the wiki is out of date. I can't imagine debian including the 71xx driver in wheezy if it's still unusable, as the wiki says |
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| 11:49.03 | fincham | seems that the DIGEST-MD5 bug isn't fixed, despite the ticket being closed :/ upgrading to their suggested version doesn't change anything |
| 11:49.10 | mumpitze1 | why do you even ask about the "nvidia-way" in here? |
| 11:49.31 | abrotman | fincham: which ticket number? |
| 11:49.33 | wulllst | mumpitze1: did i ask? |
| 11:49.34 | tremon | mumpitze1: he didn't |
| 11:49.41 | jimmy | where is unrar-nonfree in the wheezy repos? |
| 11:49.54 | abrotman | erm .. bug number |
| 11:50.01 | fincham | 654853 |
| 11:50.17 | fincham | I can't say for sure my problem is caused by that, but it matches in all the regards I can see |
| 11:50.36 | abrotman | judd: versions ejabberd |
| 11:50.37 | judd | Package: ejabberd on i386 -- squeeze: 2.1.5-3+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.1.5-3+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.1.10-4; sid: 2.1.10-5 |
| 11:50.43 | wulllst | mumpitze1: i was just trying to find out, i would be able to use the debian way. |
| 11:50.50 | abrotman | fincham: which version of ejabberd do you have installed? |
| 11:50.51 | petn-randall | jimmy: in the non-free section. It's called unrar. |
| 11:51.00 | tremon | jimmy: it isn't, there's only unrar (in non-free), the free unrar tool was renamed to unrar-free |
| 11:51.30 | jdoe1 | babilen: re. earlier issue, installing nvidia drivers fixed tux racer! and it was easy. thanks again. |
| 11:51.31 | fincham | abrotman: I tested against both 2.1.5-3+squeeze1 and 2.1.10-4 |
| 11:52.40 | abrotman | they also mention your libpurple version ? |
| 11:53.26 | alonzoh | abrotman: that's a little personal |
| 11:53.26 | jdoe1 | now I get a partition almost full error on root, 97% 12.2mb remaining, still researching solution, but what are peoples thoughts on using gparted from live cd or straight from debian? |
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| 11:53.54 | fincham | ah yep, 2.10.6-3 which I just upgraded to has problems, 2.7.3-1+squeeze3 was fine |
| 11:55.38 | tremon | jdoe1: if your intention is to resize /, I suggest you consider identifying the directory that is causing / to grow (most likely /var or /tmp) and creating a new partition for it |
| 11:56.32 | abrotman | fincham: i'd try the debugging stuff like they have theere |
| 11:56.42 | fincham | also jdoe1 if you need some extra breathing room and /usr is on /, you could try localepurge, it purges about 300 megabytes on a desktop install removing all but english :) |
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| 11:57.24 | fincham | abrotman: have done from the pidgin end, nothing useful to see really, same as in the bug report (server just returns a not-authorized response) |
| 11:57.50 | fincham | I'm just trying to work out how to turn on SHA-1 CRAM as a login method, since that seems to be supported... |
| 11:57.52 | abrotman | fincham: you can append the bug if you like .. say oyu're still seeing this |
| 11:58.37 | fincham | abrotman: I thought I couldn't because it was too old, I'll look again... |
| 11:59.01 | abrotman | fincham: youshould be able to |
| 11:59.21 | jdoe1 | tremon fincham: I selected the option to split some dirs across a lot of partitions, sorry can't remember what it was called, doesn't that put / on a different partition? |
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| 12:00.11 | fincham | jdoe1: if you did that it's odd that your / is full, maybe use du to find what's filled it up... there aren't many places the files could be hiding :) |
| 12:00.26 | tremon | jdoe1: it should, paste the output of df -h |
| 12:00.35 | fincham | super wild guess but maybe /opt or /root has something big in it :) |
| 12:00.55 | petn-randall | or apt-get still has the packages cached. |
| 12:01.02 | petn-randall | apt-get clean will fix it for you. |
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| 12:01.24 | fincham | those won't be sitting on / if jdoe1 has separate /var though |
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| 12:02.07 | jdoe1 | sorry you guys typing fast than I can process! |
| 12:02.22 | jdoe1 | running localepurge now |
| 12:02.42 | fincham | localepurge won't help you if /usr is not part of /, which it sounds like it isn't on your system |
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| 12:02.56 | iamwhoiam | man apt-get |
| 12:03.02 | jdoe1 | ok, I'll run du and df -h once it completes |
| 12:03.32 | fincham | you can of course verify this assumption by observing the output of â`mount' :) |
| 12:03.34 | tremon | jdoe1: du without arguments is almost useless, use -d2 or even -d1 |
| 12:04.31 | tremon | (yes, not useless, but hard to parse because of the many output lines) |
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| 12:04.55 | mumpitze1 | what does -d2 do? |
| 12:05.03 | tremon | max-depth=2 |
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| 12:05.44 | jdoe1 | du -d1 output: http://pastie.org/7732909 |
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| 12:06.31 | tremon | jdoe1: that's the output from your current dir, please do du -d1 / |
| 12:06.37 | tremon | and add a -h while you're at it |
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| 12:08.04 | jdoe1 | sorry du: http://pastie.org/7732918 |
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| 12:08.51 | jdoe1 | and df http://pastie.org/7732923 |
| 12:08.56 | doc_b | can somebody with synergy (http://synergy-foss.org/) knowledge help me? |
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| 12:09.30 | tremon | jdoe1: did you do df -h / ? |
| 12:09.42 | tremon | in that case, use df -h :) |
| 12:10.06 | mumpitze1 | !tell doc_b about anyone |
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| 12:10.42 | tremon | jdoe1: but your / filesystem is extremely small (only 300MB), so you do need to resize it |
| 12:10.44 | doc_b | mumpitzel: ?? |
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| 12:11.57 | jdoe1 | that is what I thought when I did the guide partition thing, I looked around to see if I could change it at install but failed |
| 12:12.06 | jdoe1 | I assumed it must know what it is doing! |
| 12:12.09 | mumpitze1 | doc_b: you got a PM |
| 12:12.22 | doc_b | mumpitzel: Oh sorry I see. ok my question. So I have computer A is connected to screen 1. Computers B+C are connected to screen 2. I want to have A as the server and have B+C as the client. But I don't know how to set this up in the conf file |
| 12:12.41 | fincham | a small / should be fine, if /usr and /var and /home are all on their own partitions |
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| 12:13.03 | fincham | it's only if you go and e.g. install things in to /opt without thinking about it that you risk filling up / in that situation |
| 12:13.21 | jdoe1 | I don't believe I have done that, still not much installed |
| 12:13.37 | mumpitze1 | jdoe1: how big is the disk totally? |
| 12:13.41 | jdoe1 | having problems using nopaste with my df output can I paste it here? |
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| 12:13.58 | jdoe1 | 320gb - quite small but all my data is on a nas |
| 12:13.59 | mumpitze1 | use paste.debian.net |
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| 12:14.02 | tremon | fincham: but a 300M / ? he already has 230M in /lib |
| 12:14.10 | tremon | jdoe1: try paste.debian.net |
| 12:14.16 | mumpitze1 | jdoe1: so resize your / then |
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| 12:15.01 | doc_b | mumpitzel: I have synergy setup to allow A share with B, but I want to add C to the the same screen as C |
| 12:15.02 | fincham | might be a bit small tremon, I feel like I've run that size of / successfully before but it's possible I'm remembering incorrectly :/ |
| 12:15.19 | jdoe1 | http://paste.debian.net/879/ - finally |
| 12:15.32 | fincham | what is this new system tray thing in Wheezy with an icon of an open envelope with a number next to it? clicking it seems to do an android style "list of recent notifications" |
| 12:15.37 | doc_b | mumpitzel: *same screen as B |
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| 12:16.18 | jdoe1 | I am open to resizing, was wondering the best method, most pages I have come across are 18months old |
| 12:16.34 | fincham | is your / on LVM, jdoe1? |
| 12:17.04 | jdoe1 | but I like to run a lean system so am interested in apt-get clean, localpurge also :) |
| 12:17.15 | tremon | the split partitioning recipe doesn't use lvm iirc |
| 12:17.23 | jdoe1 | LVM beyond me sorry, how to find out? |
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| 12:17.36 | fincham | depends on "use entire disk" vs "use entire disk with LVM" or whatever the installer calls it |
| 12:17.42 | tremon | jdoe1: run lvdisplay as root |
| 12:17.52 | tremon | or lvs, produces shorter output |
| 12:17.52 | jdoe1 | ohh I didn't select the LVM option above |
| 12:18.10 | fincham | yeah, looking at your df output it's not LVM |
| 12:18.13 | debdeb | oh, i am too interested in a resizing-howto. incrase space. its / on: sdX->LUKS->LVM |
| 12:18.17 | fincham | that's gonna be a pain to resize |
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| 12:19.08 | tremon | jdoe1: best solution I can see for you now, is to merge your / and /usr partitions, but that isn't going to be easy |
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| 12:19.13 | fincham | how do I actually append to a bug? I tried e-mailing bugnumber@bugs.debian.org but I'm not sure that's it :) |
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| 12:19.25 | tremon | fincham: it is |
| 12:19.56 | fincham | tremon: what is? |
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| 12:20.02 | fincham | oh I see, sorry |
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| 12:20.12 | tremon | the e-mailing a bugnumber |
| 12:20.28 | tremon | jdoe1: first port of call, get hold of some live disc (debian installer in rescue mode is fine) |
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| 12:21.06 | debdeb | resizing LVM isnt so that problem... but first i have to resize the LUKS-partition |
| 12:21.20 | fincham | how long until the output of bugreport.cgi updates? I am keen to make sure everything is working :) |
| 12:21.27 | babilen | jdoe1: Great! And yeah, the guided partitioning with multiple partitions chooses less than optimal filesystem sizes. If you installed this recently (I had that impression) it might be easier to simply reinstall. That is unless you are interested in learning how to resize your volume groups and filesystems now. |
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| 12:21.53 | tremon | jdoe1: maybe a reinstall is easier, depending on how long you've been running this system and how much you've changed since install |
| 12:22.04 | fincham | abrotman: nope, I got "Unknown or archived bug" bounce. I guess best to file a new bug? |
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| 12:22.28 | jdoe1 | babilen: good point, might hack around with partitioning, trash the OS then reinstall :)... this is why I love my nas |
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| 12:23.10 | fincham | jdoe1: if you install on LVM it will make life a lot easier in this situation later :) |
| 12:23.11 | tremon | jdoe1: if you do reinstall, you can keep your /home partition. Just don't remove it and don't format it |
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| 12:24.10 | jdoe1 | I was thinking of plugging in another drive, if I reinstall would it be easy to put /home on that, what else would be recommended for this larger second drive? |
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| 12:26.08 | tremon | jdoe1: that's fine, but if the other drive is removable (like usb disk), don't put /home on it -- the system will not boot without it |
| 12:26.31 | jdoe1 | tremon, fincham, babilen, mumpitzel1: thank you all for you time, have some study to do... |
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| 12:26.42 | jdoe1 | tremon: is another internal hdd |
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| 12:29.47 | abrotman | fincham: i guess, reference the other bug |
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| 12:32.05 | fincham | ergh so from squeeze -> wheezy libnotify popups now happen on the wrong monitor entirely out of my field of view... google hasn't given me many pointers on this, any suggestions as to how to move them back to where they belong? |
| 12:32.34 | mumpitze1 | tremon: why do I need /home to boot? |
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| 12:34.21 | tremon | mumpitze1: because the installer will add an fstab entry for it, and fsck will bail out if it it can't all devices it needs to check. And yes, you can continue boot after that |
| 12:34.45 | tremon | imagine I wrote 'find' somewhere in that sentence |
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| 12:36.09 | xzgv | hi, if i install 2 different debians (wheezy and sid) and install GRUB on the mbr on the first, where do install GRUB for the second? mbr again or / of sid? |
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| 12:37.30 | fincham | xzgv: install it also to the MBR, the installer should find both installs and add them both to the grub menu |
| 12:38.04 | mumpitze1 | if you install it to the MBR you overwrite the wheezy one and grup-update won't find wheezy kernels. so install it to / of sid and have a 2stage menu. you will neeed a chainloader entry for the 2nd grub in the wheezy one |
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| 12:38.18 | mumpitze1 | fincham: it does now? |
| 12:38.27 | mumpitze1 | nice |
| 12:38.29 | fincham | mumpitze1: pretty sure... if not, update-grub once you boot definitely does |
| 12:38.32 | tremon | xzgv: install os-prober, or add manual entries for the other system to grub's config. you shouldn't even need to install grub in the second system. If you do, add grub to the system partition or the mbr of a second disk |
| 12:38.53 | fincham | ok, I gotta stop giving dubious advice |
| 12:39.12 | mumpitze1 | you might be right. quite some time since I used grub2 in such a setting |
| 12:39.22 | tremon | I'm not sure what the installer does, but grub only detects other systems with os-prober installed |
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| 12:39.47 | fincham | tremon: isn't os-prober installed by default? I've had to go turn it off on a bunch of VM hosts that were upgraded to squeeze (otherwise they list all the guest OS luns in grub) |
| 12:40.25 | tremon | I'm not sure, maybe it is installed if you do a normal desktop install. I tend to install minimal and customize after install, so it could be. But it's not in a minimal install |
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| 12:40.43 | fincham | whatever this new gnome 3 libnotify replacement is it's kinda broken :/ not very impressed with that |
| 12:41.09 | fincham | even just running xfce and not intentionally installing any Gnome packages I've ended up with broken unstyled notifications from what is apparently the Gnome 3 notification system |
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| 12:42.43 | debdeb | grub: is grub able to boot from usb when the system itself is not able to boot from usb? |
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| 12:43.28 | fincham | debdeb: grub-pc should be able to so long as you can load the usb modules from a drive it can access |
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| 12:43.55 | debdeb | so grub itself uses usb-modules? |
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| 12:45.05 | debdeb | at the moment i use a spezial cd-rom for that... this one can boot from usb... and there is grub then |
| 12:45.33 | debdeb | but it would be fine if grub could chainload a second grub in usb itself |
| 12:45.41 | debdeb | on usb |
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| 12:47.04 | debdeb | the negative on that cd is: it can only boot from a direktly attached usb-stick. not when a usb-hub is between... which is not that good, when the system has only one usb-port |
| 12:47.18 | debdeb | directly |
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| 12:48.31 | debdeb | i dont remember the name of the boot-loader on that cd... its from a developer from austria as i remember |
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| 12:50.06 | debdeb | ok, why i ask: i would like to use a kernel, which resides on usb-stick... but the system is not able to boot from usb without that cd |
| 12:50.54 | fincham | debdeb: from the grub command line try insmod uhci and insmod usbms, then see if it recognises the USB stick filesystem :) |
| 12:51.12 | debdeb | hmmm |
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| 12:51.38 | debdeb | this is s duck/egg-problem ^^ |
| 12:52.00 | debdeb | the modules resides on a luks-partition |
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| 12:52.33 | fincham | debdeb: I'm talking about grub modules here, not kernel modules |
| 12:52.48 | fincham | (they live in /boot/grub usually) |
| 12:53.33 | xzgv | tremont:thank you |
| 12:53.35 | debdeb | forget that i asked about it... as i want to have the kernel on usb-stick for security-reasons... it is the same problem if grub is on hdd... |
| 12:53.48 | xzgv | fincham, thanks pal |
| 12:54.29 | fincham | worked ok, xzgv ? |
| 12:54.32 | tremon | debdeb: what security are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:55.01 | debdeb | all encrypted root.filesystem. no boot-partition with kernel in it |
| 12:55.07 | fincham | puts his kernel on a USB flash and carefully cuts through the write enable pin ;) |
| 12:55.16 | debdeb | so kernel on usb-stick |
| 12:55.19 | fincham | debdeb: what security outcome will that get you though? |
| 12:55.47 | debdeb | changing the kernel |
| 12:55.52 | xzgv | fincham, i'm in the process of installing sid , didn't want to install without knowing the grub answer. |
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| 12:56.07 | comodo_dragon | fincham, careful. you dont want to pull the pin out. |
| 12:56.15 | fincham | by an evil maid, or by some rogue process on the box? because if the process can edit your kernel you're already a bit beyond help I think |
| 12:56.18 | tremon | debdeb: what are you trying to achieve by obscuring the kernel? if an attacker sees your disk, he'll recognize the luks partition and know he'll need linux |
| 12:56.44 | debdeb | tremon: thats not the problem |
| 12:57.05 | debdeb | the problem is: an attacker could change the kernel on boot-partition |
| 12:57.20 | debdeb | so i want to carry boot-partition with me |
| 12:57.24 | petn-randall | debdeb: Sign it via UEFI. |
| 12:57.36 | fincham | how debdeb ? physically in person, or through some kind of local root exploit? what is your threat model like here? :P |
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| 12:58.06 | debdeb | fincham: physically |
| 12:58.30 | fincham | I think if you're defending against an evil maid putting the kernel on a USB flash might not save you :) |
| 12:58.51 | fincham | if you're just doing it for a bit of skull and dagger type amusement then don't let me stop you though ;) |
| 12:59.10 | debdeb | its just amusement, yes |
| 12:59.26 | debdeb | and because it is possible ^^ |
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| 12:59.29 | tremon | nevertheless, it's a valid concern. But really, you need secure boot to prevent it |
| 12:59.33 | debdeb | if its possible |
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| 12:59.48 | cirrus] | hello |
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| 13:00.18 | cirrus] | I need to install i386 version of my graphic card drivers, but I can't because of hell of dependencies |
| 13:00.20 | debdeb | i could but the kernel on a cd, too (which the system can boot)... but that would be a pain for updates |
| 13:00.27 | debdeb | s/but/put |
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| 13:01.36 | cirrus] | it tells me that I don't have "xserver-xorg-core" but I have it |
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| 13:02.03 | debdeb | argh... nevermind... the system will be replaced soon with one which boots from usb... so the work would be wasted |
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| 13:02.45 | fincham | what's with stuff not having man pages anymore :/ no man page for notification-daemon |
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| 13:03.10 | fincham | not even a reademe in the package |
| 13:03.28 | debdeb | but i allready thought about chainloading kernels... i have read, that a boot-cd with a loaded kernel can chainload another kernel on a usb-stick |
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| 13:03.38 | tremon | cirrus]: why do you need the drivers in 32-bit version? because 32-bit drivers only work with 32-but X |
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| 13:04.09 | tremon | debdeb: yes, that's kexec |
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| 13:04.33 | debdeb | tremon: right.. that was it. didnt remember the name |
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| 13:05.21 | debdeb | kexec is a very nice feature... if it works |
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| 13:05.52 | mumpitze1 | cirrus]: dpkg --print-architecture and uname -a |
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| 13:06.17 | debdeb | btw. is kexec possible on arm-architecture, too? |
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| 13:07.24 | debdeb | that would solve a few ideas i have for raspberry |
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| 13:08.55 | debdeb | oh. wrong channel again... sorry ^^ |
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| 13:19.06 | excalibr | Hello. Can someone explain briefly how does one use resize2fs to shrink/grow an ext4 partition? like adding more space at the beginning/end of the partition? |
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| 13:19.47 | tremon | excalibr: you can't move the beginning of a partition |
| 13:20.06 | petn-randall | excalibr: Check out the man page, it's quite verbose. |
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| 13:20.40 | petn-randall | excalibr: But you first have to grow the partition itself before you can resize the filesystem. |
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| 13:22.27 | Highspeed | please how do i install debian to hp probook 4540s running windows 8? I mean how do i dual boot? |
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| 13:22.43 | excalibr | tremon: i dont want to move it. i want to grow the partition using free space from the partition before it |
| 13:22.43 | bamboobender | tremon: are you sure you can not move it? iirc gparted can do it |
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| 13:23.41 | petn-randall | Highspeed: You have to resize the windows partition to make room for the debian installation. Then you install it there, and the grub boot loader will let you select which OS to boot. |
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| 13:24.09 | petn-randall | Highspeed: Debian currently doesn't work with UEFI secure boot, you'll have to disable that in the UEFI setup if it isn't already. |
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| 13:24.15 | tremon | maybe gparted can. But it doesn't involve "resizing downwards" then, it is "move partition downwards and resize upwards" |
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| 13:24.44 | bamboobender | tremon: oh, didn't know that - good to know |
| 13:24.49 | Highspeed | Petn-randall: Thanks but my bios doesnt allow me to see some features. |
| 13:24.56 | bamboobender | excalibr: I would suggest you use the gparted live cd or something similar (most linux live CDs have gparted on them) |
| 13:25.02 | i4c | i have a question how do i know which debian packages were dropped from a release to the next(squeeze to wheezy) ? is there a list ? |
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| 13:25.41 | petn-randall | excalibr: Resizing beyond the end of the partition is just updating a few inodes. Extending beyond the beginning involves moving all the blocks upwards and then extend to the end. |
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| 13:25.59 | petn-randall | Highspeed: Chances are it's not even activated then. |
| 13:26.02 | debdeb | that would be a nice feature. a "before-upgrade-test"-skript |
| 13:26.18 | petn-randall | debdeb: Testing what? |
| 13:26.21 | Highspeed | petn-randall: I tried changing the UEFI in BIOS but i couldnt find it, i cant change anything on my bios.... |
| 13:26.46 | debdeb | which tests the installed packages... compare them to the next realease and tells, which are missing |
| 13:26.56 | petn-randall | Highspeed: No idea about your model, maybe check the manual? |
| 13:27.13 | Highspeed | petn-randall: Ok then please help me out im new to linux UNIX i want to really install Debian |
| 13:27.14 | debdeb | or problematic to upgrade |
| 13:27.15 | petn-randall | debdeb: apt-get already does that? |
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| 13:27.49 | debdeb | does it?_ before_ the upgrade? |
| 13:27.52 | Highspeed | petn-randall: The manual doesnt tell me anything about BIOS setup.#sad |
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| 13:28.30 | petn-randall | debdeb: It tells you before which packages get removed, yes. |
| 13:28.37 | petn-randall | debdeb: Or am I missing something? |
| 13:29.02 | debdeb | but then one has to run it with --simulate, isnt it? |
| 13:29.32 | debdeb | i mean a check _before_ apt does anything real |
| 13:30.02 | bamboobender | Highspeed: whats the matter with BIOS? http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Probook%204540s |
| 13:30.28 | petn-randall | debdeb: Have you tried it yet? It lists you all packages it needs to upgrade, remove and install before it even touches anything. |
| 13:30.59 | debdeb | my last upgrade was long ago ^^ |
| 13:31.25 | tremon | petn-randall: apt-get doesn't tell you which packages are no longer in the archive |
| 13:32.27 | tremon | debdeb: all package removals are done with bug reports, I would guess it would be relatively easy to query bugs.debian.org, but have never tried |
| 13:32.38 | themill | (aptitude search ~o) |
| 13:32.50 | debdeb | but such a "pre-upgrade-check-skript" could do more... check the bugtracker online for any reported and reproduced upgrade-problems for this and that package... for example |
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| 13:33.05 | tremon | that would do it :) |
| 13:33.15 | petn-randall | debdeb: apt-listbugs/apt-listchanges already does that ... |
| 13:33.46 | debdeb | ah. nice. i will remember that |
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| 13:34.02 | excalibr | petn-randall: what about shrinking operation? where does resize2fs shrink a partition from..its beginning or from its end? |
| 13:34.56 | debdeb | as i remember from the end |
| 13:35.38 | petn-randall | excalibr: Always from the end. You'll have to shrink the filesystem first. And it only works "offline". |
| 13:36.00 | debdeb | that could be a problem, too with extending a partition from the partition before the beginning |
| 13:36.35 | excalibr | that's the part where i dont understand.. |
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| 13:36.54 | Highspeed | bamboobender thanks so much |
| 13:36.55 | debdeb | then thsi one has to bie shrinked before... then the to be extendet one has to be moved in its place... then it could be extended from the end |
| 13:37.16 | Highspeed | bamboobender:Im cyurrently trying the link now.... |
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| 13:38.00 | debdeb | as for example... i try to ascii-art it ^^: |
| 13:38.35 | debdeb | [part1: 20GB] [part2: 30GB] [part3: 40GB] |
| 13:38.44 | debdeb | now you want to extend part2 |
| 13:39.02 | debdeb | first you have to shrink part1 or delete it |
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| 13:39.45 | debdeb | then its: [part1: 10GB] [free space 10GB] [part2: 30GB] [part3: 40GB] |
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| 13:40.11 | debdeb | then you hve to move part2 to the place where free space is... then its: |
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| 13:40.46 | debdeb | [part1: 10GB] [part2 30GB] [free space 10GB] [part3: 40GB] |
| 13:41.01 | debdeb | and _then_ you can extend part2 with the free space |
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| 13:41.13 | debdeb | was that ok? |
| 13:41.26 | neyder | hi |
| 13:41.27 | blubberdiblub | yes |
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| 13:44.21 | debdeb | but what i dont know... when moving part2... is the data really moved on the hdd or only some data in the partition-table and the real data resides, where it is |
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| 13:45.14 | debdeb | oh... and allways backup! ^^ |
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| 13:46.13 | debdeb | btw... when you backup with fsarchiver the whole partition... it could be restored on a greater-partition... maybe this is easier than playing with resize2fs |
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| 13:48.34 | Highspeed | bamboobender: I saw just the list of stuffs supported by debian on HP Pro BOOk 4540s. Im sorry but i dont really seem to understand it. Can you just help me out. |
| 13:49.18 | debdeb | this is all so easy and painless with LVM... for example pvmove... |
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| 13:51.32 | bamboobender | Highspeed: it says that in general you can install debian but you will have to take of the two network cards by downloading extra drivers |
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| 13:52.04 | bamboobender | Highspeed: did you already try to install debian? |
| 13:53.04 | Highspeed | Bamboobender: Not yet!but i really dont want to mess up my boot loader. |
| 13:53.23 | excalibr | debdeb: thanks for ascii-art ^^ i think i got the picture now how the operation works |
| 13:53.33 | excalibr | for the* |
| 13:54.10 | bamboobender | Highspeed: you hav to modify it sooner or later |
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| 13:54.28 | bamboobender | Highspeed: is the laptop new? |
| 13:54.30 | bamboobender | Highspeed: i means, is there much to lose, when you make windows unusable? |
| 13:54.32 | bamboobender | *mean |
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| 13:54.46 | tremon | debdeb: all structures in a filesystem are located at offsets starting from the beginning of the device. If you move the start of the partition, all offsets are wrong, and, more importantly, the filesystem root identifier isn't anymore at the offset where it is expected to be |
| 13:55.04 | Highspeed | Bamboobender:Yes and its running Windows 8.... |
| 13:55.30 | tremon | debdeb: it's like adding ten pages to the beginning of a book, renumbering the pages and then wondering why the index isn't correct anymore |
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| 13:55.46 | excalibr | bamboobender: i always use gparted but for some odd reason it doesn't let me extend one partition into a small gap partition before it |
| 13:55.47 | Highspeed | Bamboobender:Kinda. |
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| 13:56.51 | bamboobender | excalibr: oh i had that too ... once Oo it was weired... |
| 13:56.51 | bamboobender | excalibr: maybe it's seomting with sticking to sector boundaries or something like that... |
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| 13:57.28 | debdeb | tremon: so was my explanation wrong? |
| 13:58.06 | tremon | nope, you are correct (I haven't read all you posted), just providing more clarification |
| 13:58.38 | bamboobender | Highspeed: if you want dualboot, you sooner or later have to modify the boot loader. my advice: maybe you start off with ubuntu and when you know your way around change to debian again. that's how i did it |
| 13:58.46 | tremon | debdeb: so yes, moving a partition involves moving all data along with it. Theoretically it would be possible to move only the hard-coded structures and update the references for movable objects, but that would be a more risky procedure than moving it entirely |
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| 13:59.51 | debdeb | excalibr: as said... if it doesnt work... use fsarchiver or tar and "extend" the partition in deleting it an add it with greater size then |
| 14:00.05 | debdeb | tremon: ah, ok. i thing i understand |
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| 14:00.24 | bamboobender | Highspeed: ubuntu gives a bit more comfort in some areas that are important for beginners, in my opinion. after some time with linux you will get to know the "shortfalls" that are a result of the "comforts" of ubuntu - and then you still can decide if you want to use debian... after all, they are quite similar in many ways |
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| 14:00.50 | comodo_dragon | ubuntu is bloatware |
| 14:00.52 | Highspeed | Bamboobender: Are you using HP? Will Ubuntu DualBOOt on HP?Alongside windows 8 |
| 14:00.59 | debdeb | so moving can be time consuming |
| 14:01.11 | bamboobender | Highspeed: no, i don't use hp |
| 14:01.59 | bamboobender | Highspeed: the most important thing to know is, if your laptop has this UEFI boot-thingy |
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| 14:02.28 | Highspeed | Bamboobender: Ok i just pray and hope it dualboots without Spoiling my Boot loader....Ive had a previous problem with fedora....it spoilt my boot loader.... |
| 14:02.30 | tremon | debdeb: it always is |
| 14:02.59 | bamboobender | Highspeed: there is always stuff that can happen though :P |
| 14:03.50 | bamboobender | Highspeed: and usually it is possible to restore the bootloader even if it looks spoiled |
| 14:03.52 | debdeb | tremon: i mean... or assume moving the real data is more time-consuming than it would be... if it would be possible when just changing some entries in the partition-tale |
| 14:04.08 | debdeb | table |
| 14:04.31 | Highspeed | Bamboobender: I read about that UEFI, restarted my PC and found out that my BIOS is so very different from the ones im seeing....it has a newer UI...and doesnt allow me to enable and disable some stuffs |
| 14:04.40 | debdeb | Highspeed: you, too: backup |
| 14:05.18 | bamboobender | Highspeed: oh yeah - back up :D |
| 14:05.23 | excalibr | mmm wish me luck :) |
| 14:05.45 | Highspeed | debdeb: I should backup what and what please? |
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| 14:05.55 | debdeb | Highspeed: all ^^ |
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| 14:06.15 | bamboobender | Highspeed: if you have important stuff - back it up |
| 14:06.17 | debdeb | Highspeed: your windows i assume |
| 14:06.37 | debdeb | Highspeed: in a way it backups the whole partition with MBR+boot-loader |
| 14:06.38 | tremon | debdeb: not sure I understand your last post completely, but yes, changing some table entries is always faster than moving data. But "just changing table entries" isn't an available option when the starting sector of a partition changes |
| 14:06.40 | Highspeed | debdeb: I have a recovery partition that comes with windows. |
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| 14:07.09 | bamboobender | Highspeed: hm, if you spoil this recovery partition during install it does not help much anymore |
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| 14:07.15 | debdeb | tremon: yes, thanks for the explanation |
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| 14:07.51 | bamboobender | Highspeed: i think you will best use this |
| 14:07.55 | debdeb | Highspeed: and the recovery deletes all you have made in windows (normally) |
| 14:07.58 | bamboobender | Highspeed: i think you will best use this http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 14:08.15 | Highspeed | bamboobender: Ok ...so i shouldnt touch any important partition i guess while installing.... |
| 14:08.25 | debdeb | oh... and backup that recovery-partition, too if you start playing with partitions |
| 14:08.26 | bamboobender | Highspeed: you have to touch the partitions |
| 14:09.18 | bamboobender | Highspeed: have to go - good luck and have fun ;) |
| 14:09.26 | dvs | Highspeed: create your recover discs before messing with your partitions |
| 14:09.33 | tremon | Highspeed: I haven't been following the discussion completely, but if you have a UEFI system, you should use the wheezy installer. It should recognize the uefi system and configure accordingly |
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| 14:10.05 | debdeb | oh btw... i think there is a way you can play with debian without touching the windows-partition |
| 14:10.28 | debdeb | linux is possible to be installed in a loop-file on windows-partition |
| 14:10.34 | subthalamus | stupid question, which repo do I have to use to be able to install android-tools-adb? |
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| 14:11.07 | petn-randall | debdeb: That sucks. It's better to simply use a live CD/USB to try stuff out. |
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| 14:11.26 | Highspeed | The issue is that my BIOS has a different user interface completely......its not like the old ones with blue interface...this one is more mordern....and i only can change just a few options... |
| 14:11.38 | petn-randall | debdeb: or a VM. Installing onto windows was always hacky and came with a can of problems. |
| 14:11.39 | debdeb | petn-randall: right. nowadays those cds are quite fine |
| 14:11.49 | Highspeed | BIOS Options not changeable |
| 14:12.09 | tremon | Highspeed: there is very little we can do about your bios, you'd have to contact the vendor |
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| 14:12.45 | Highspeed | debdeb: I think the recovery just restores the windows to default! |
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| 14:13.01 | debdeb | Highspeed: right... it should normally |
| 14:13.18 | debdeb | Highspeed: but if you changed something within your windows.. it is gone then |
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| 14:14.03 | Highspeed | Tremon:Its HP ProBook 4540s |
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| 14:14.18 | Highspeed | debdeb: I think so. |
| 14:14.34 | debdeb | and if you play with partitions... and make a failure... the recovery is gone, too... thats why you should backup all |
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| 14:14.45 | petn-randall | subthalamus: Check out http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 14:26.30 | subthalamus | petn-randall: urm, so this requires unstable? |
| 14:26.47 | subthalamus | petn-randall: perhaps a better question then would be how to get that package on testing? |
| 14:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions android-tools-adb |
| 14:27.27 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- sid: 4.2.2+git20130218-3 |
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| 14:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell subthalamus about ssb |
| 14:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | subthalamus, actually... I'd see if the one from unstable pulls in any other packages... and if not I'd see if it runs |
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| 14:31.18 | misternanyte | hello i'm trying to get my quickcam messenger webcam mic working in VLC |
| 14:31.29 | misternanyte | but i'm not sure where the audio device is located in dev |
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| 14:35.20 | Aziroshin | Hello. I installed the v4l2loopback-utils package, but am still missing yuv4mpeg_to_v4l2. |
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| 14:35.28 | Aziroshin | I am unsure as to where to get it. |
| 14:36.23 | misternanyte | don't think anyone in here is awake aziro |
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| 14:36.32 | abrotman | !tell Aziroshin about apt-file |
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| 14:36.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just looked with apt-file... it's not there |
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| 14:38.40 | misternanyte | also every time i try to unmute the usb mic on my camera with alsa-mixer it mutes itself again when returning to alsa-mixer |
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| 14:39.41 | subthalamus | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, thanks, backports didn't seem to work |
| 14:40.02 | grog | what are some other good resources for me to RTFM, other than Debian Reference and man pages ? |
| 14:40.15 | abrotman | !tell grog about grounding |
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| 14:40.49 | misternanyte | i guess nobody can help me :( not a lot of support online either |
| 14:41.01 | comodo_dragon | !tell grog hi |
| 14:41.50 | grog | hi ;) |
| 14:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, F2 in alsamixer or just looking at /proc/asound/cards shows you your card... if you see device 3 is what you want, /dev/snd/pcmC3* arethe ones to look at... I think |
| 14:42.54 | misternanyte | yes i know, but there is no /dev/snd |
| 14:43.18 | misternanyte | furthermore, i think it would be a lot easier if knew a program that could write command verbose to a file to paste it in here |
| 14:43.25 | Aziroshin | abrotman: I had looked with apt-file as well before I came here, it's not there. |
| 14:43.32 | misternanyte | i thought i used one in etch called "wo" or write out |
| 14:43.36 | misternanyte | but ic an't find that |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | Aziroshin: okay, so it's not there |
| 14:43.51 | Aziroshin | Yes, I started going into compiling from source. |
| 14:43.59 | Aziroshin | Hopefully it's going to be there. |
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| 14:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, dunno what you mean... there's typescript (called with "script" to write out sessions to a file) and there's nopaste (to upload files/output of stuff to a pastebin) |
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| 14:47.18 | misternanyte | thanks cutme. Ok i found the device, but only by id. I'm not sure which one of the PCMc* things are my mic |
| 14:47.36 | misternanyte | using the "by-id" device doesn't work |
| 14:48.08 | HazardX | is it the debian default to halt the boot process if a device fails to mount that was specified in fstab? |
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| 14:49.22 | misternanyte | i guess i will just have to do it the hard way :( |
| 14:49.57 | tremon | HazardX: not sure, but I think not. However, the boot /will/ halt if a device is missing when it is set to be fsck'ed in fstab |
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| 14:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, really, vlc should just give you a list like everything else... %-/ |
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| 14:52.30 | misternanyte | don't know how to get it to do that. |
| 14:52.35 | HazardX | tremon yes, that's the problem, I need it to continue booting instead of waiting on control-D |
| 14:52.47 | Aziroshin | Shouldn't arecord -L give a list as well? |
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| 14:52.53 | abrotman | HazardX: what's teh actual error ? |
| 14:53.16 | HazardX | abrotman, "cannot open device" (which makes sense since the drive is unplugged to test exactly this) |
| 14:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | neither do I :) |
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| 14:53.38 | misternanyte | well this is interesting |
| 14:53.40 | abrotman | HazardX: show us the fstab line when it's done booting |
| 14:53.45 | misternanyte | im going to continue trying each pcm file |
| 14:53.55 | HazardX | see, this is a raspberry-pi, its mounted in a box that will have *NO* keyboard, and *NO* display, and if one of the drives fails, then there's *NO* way to know if the whole thing is dead, or one drive has issues |
| 14:54.16 | abrotman | has no way to see the screen either .. |
| 14:54.36 | HazardX | the fstab line is fine, the problem is that when it does fsck it waits for user intervention (which it will never get) to resolve an issue when a device is *MISSING* |
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| 14:54.51 | abrotman | okay |
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| 14:55.37 | HazardX | what I'd *LIKE* is the behavior gentoo has (to my knolage) always had, where a missing device won't stop booting, it'll just issue a bunch of warnings, and continue |
| 14:55.39 | JodaZ | does the wheezy kernel have aufs ? |
| 14:55.55 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:57.44 | HazardX | I can see this as a feature that makes sense for a desktop where there's a screen someone actually looks at, but it baffles me as to how this is USEFUL for a server :/ |
| 14:57.46 | misternanyte | ok well i tried all the pcm files in /dev/snd and... nothing. |
| 14:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you on squeeze or on wheezy? |
| 14:58.58 | misternanyte | me? i'm on squeeze |
| 14:59.16 | misternanyte | mic is detected, i can select it in alsa-mixer. I just don't know how to find out where it is in the /dev folder |
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| 14:59.41 | Aziroshin | Heh, yuv4mpeg_to_v4l2 is sorted under "examples". I think I get the picture why it might not be in the repositories. XD |
| 15:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, and you want to record video+sound? |
| 15:00.17 | misternanyte | yep that's right |
| 15:00.39 | misternanyte | vlc needs you to tell it where the device is |
| 15:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... I never tried that, but would be good to know how it works |
| 15:00.44 | misternanyte | i can get the video working |
| 15:00.48 | misternanyte | but not mic |
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| 15:00.54 | misternanyte | cuz i don't know what device it is in /dev |
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| 15:01.04 | misternanyte | is there anyway to find out using a command? |
| 15:01.18 | ectospasm | misternanyte: maybe dmesg when you plugged it in? |
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| 15:01.59 | tremon | misternanyte: why do you need the device name? last time I checked (granted, a while ago), vlc used alsa device names, not device files |
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| 15:02.37 | misternanyte | ok how do i do that lol |
| 15:02.48 | misternanyte | dmesg shows nothing about where it's linked to |
| 15:03.27 | misternanyte | because if alsa device names are in /dev/snd I already been there, done that, nada |
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| 15:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, weeell... there's arecord --list-pcms and arecord -l |
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| 15:04.33 | tremon | alsa device names aren't in /dev/snd, they either look like "hw:x.y" or "card name, profile" |
| 15:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder what vlc expects for "device"... really something in /dev or alsa device names |
| 15:06.38 | misternanyte | well it's funny because i just realized i don't even have to put /dev/video0 in the device entry in VLC.. it just autodetects |
| 15:06.43 | misternanyte | but no sound from the mic at all |
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| 15:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, what do you do in vlc then to get where you are? |
| 15:07.00 | misternanyte | video is autodetected, but mic doesn't work |
| 15:07.22 | misternanyte | i wish i could show you... i just go to "open capture device" and then i try to input the mic address... |
| 15:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I see... just select "capture device", enter nothing and then hit "play" |
| 15:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
| 15:07.29 | tremon | when I go to "open capture device" in vlc, it has a pulldown menu for audio device, giving me "hw:0,0", "hw:0,1" and "hw:1,0" as options. Still cryptic, but those numbers can at least be found in /proc/asound |
| 15:07.32 | misternanyte | you know i wonder if it autodetects the mic but it just isn't playing sound |
| 15:07.48 | misternanyte | i have no pull down menu |
| 15:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, it might be muted or not switched on |
| 15:07.51 | misternanyte | it's type in only |
| 15:08.11 | misternanyte | yes cut, but when i try to unmute it in volume control it just re-mutes itself after closing alsa-mixer, and then starting it back up |
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| 15:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, well, I get the same behavior here :) |
| 15:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's any comfort |
| 15:08.37 | tremon | hmm, that would suggest your mic isn't enumerated. Can you use it with arecord, and is it listed there? |
| 15:10.28 | tremon | or maybe it's simply a different vlc version. Mine's 2.0.3, from wheezy |
| 15:10.47 | misternanyte | i can't record anything with that stupid thing because i don't know how to use the -d (device) command |
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| 15:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, I'm not sure it goes like this... using the camera uses the v4l2 driver... wouldn't audio have to use the same venue? |
| 15:12.29 | misternanyte | i thought so |
| 15:12.36 | misternanyte | but like i said, i think it might just be muted |
| 15:12.40 | misternanyte | but i can't unmute it |
| 15:13.05 | ectospasm | alsamixer doesn't show it on any of the detected cards? |
| 15:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* I just duckduckwent it... and an ubuntu-forum link came up first |
| 15:13.27 | misternanyte | ecto, it does, it shows up i can even raise and lower the volume |
| 15:13.30 | misternanyte | but it keeps muting itself |
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| 15:13.41 | misternanyte | every time i pull it back up (alsamixer) it's muted again |
| 15:13.42 | misternanyte | i don't get it |
| 15:14.06 | ectospasm | you using pulseaudio? |
| 15:14.09 | ectospasm | maybe pulse is muting it |
| 15:14.15 | misternanyte | uh... i don't think so |
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| 15:14.23 | misternanyte | how do i turn that off? |
| 15:14.39 | JodaZ | where can i find documentation for fsnotify ? |
| 15:15.00 | ectospasm | JodaZ: "man fsnotify" doesn't help |
| 15:15.02 | ectospasm | ? |
| 15:15.03 | misternanyte | no it's not pulseaudio |
| 15:15.05 | misternanyte | it's not even running |
| 15:15.28 | misternanyte | i hope i don't have to unmute it with root |
| 15:15.29 | misternanyte | lemme try that |
| 15:15.35 | Towzzer | it's funny, I want to help people with like a dhcp server or some shit but every question here is about audio |
| 15:15.46 | Towzzer | is must be so freaking hard to get audio working in debian |
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| 15:16.00 | HazardX | I'venever had a problem with audio in debian |
| 15:16.00 | ectospasm | works OOTB for me. YMMV |
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| 15:16.08 | JodaZ | ectospasm, "No manual entry for fsnotify" |
| 15:16.28 | sweb | what's the best way for sync two folders between servers in different location instantly ? best method, service to etc ? |
| 15:16.29 | ectospasm | JodaZ: I dunno then. |
| 15:16.38 | HazardX | sometimes soem funny business with alsamixer muting random things (like pcm) or a hardware module not loading, but beyond that easy. |
| 15:16.58 | tremon | Towzzer: aww, you're just missing out. Just yesterday we had a question about setting up a local netboot server for d-i |
| 15:17.08 | ectospasm | PXE ftw! |
| 15:17.11 | ectospasm | anyway, gotta go |
| 15:17.16 | HazardX | proceeds to edit init.d/checkfs.sh to make it so failing fsck won't stop booting |
| 15:17.27 | misternanyte | ok what's the command to bring up the X alsamixer (not the console mixer) |
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| 15:17.41 | tremon | HazardX: make sure to set FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS |
| 15:17.41 | HazardX | alsamixer in the console does the same thing |
| 15:18.36 | HazardX | tremon would that make fsck continue (without the control-D) if a block device is *MISSING* ? |
| 15:18.56 | misternanyte | nope still muting it |
| 15:19.00 | misternanyte | yes i just hate using it |
| 15:19.05 | misternanyte | i got it figured out and it's still not working |
| 15:19.08 | tremon | nope, but it won't block on trivial fixes |
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| 15:19.19 | HazardX | tremon then that won't help me at all. |
| 15:19.22 | misternanyte | ok, how do i set permissions for alsa mixer? |
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| 15:19.35 | misternanyte | maybe my user account needs perms for alsamixer to unmute things properly |
| 15:19.42 | HazardX | make your user part of whatever group owns the audio stuff |
| 15:19.55 | HazardX | (I assume its sound/audio but it could have some other silly name) |
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| 15:20.04 | tremon | it's audio |
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| 15:20.46 | HazardX | tremon so you don't know of any way (short of midying the initscript) to keep the control-D thing from coming up if a fsck fails because the specifid block device dosen't exsist? |
| 15:20.48 | andreasr | Hi, I'm wondering how I can open port 80 for HTTP traffic on Debian Wheezy? It seems that the firwall is blocking all HTTP requests. |
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| 15:21.08 | misternanyte | nope it's not permissions :/ |
| 15:21.22 | HazardX | misternanyte, are you trying to get output or input to work? |
| 15:21.40 | misternanyte | uh... the input. There's only one option for that. |
| 15:21.42 | tremon | HazardX: sure, you set it to not check the fs at boot (0 as sixth entry) |
| 15:21.54 | Gycklarn | Does anyone know if it's possible to change postfix's log timestamp format? |
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| 15:22.04 | misternanyte | i give up dude |
| 15:22.07 | HazardX | tremon, but I want it to do fsck if the device exsits, the issue is the device *MAY NOT* exsist |
| 15:22.09 | misternanyte | i hate this shit |
| 15:22.27 | HazardX | the other way I'd go about this is to use autofs or something, but then the volume never gets fscked |
| 15:22.37 | tremon | HazardX: add your own code to do that in rc.local. fstab is static configuration (sadly) |
| 15:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, did you solve it? |
| 15:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | catches up |
| 15:23.02 | misternanyte | nope. |
| 15:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, guss not |
| 15:23.12 | misternanyte | even the little sound recorder program doesn't hear anything |
| 15:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dunno... mine isn't muted and it's set to be the capture device |
| 15:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | arecord doesn't work?! |
| 15:23.27 | misternanyte | yes that part isn't muted |
| 15:23.35 | misternanyte | i can't figure out how to use arecord |
| 15:23.45 | HazardX | tremon it baffles me that there's no "keep going on missing static entry automatically" for fstab though (that's how gentoo behaves) |
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| 15:24.06 | HazardX | but gentoo treats / differently, so anything *other* than / being missing isn't fatal |
| 15:24.07 | tremon | HazardX: maybe (a very tiny maybe) fstab is smart enough to not complain about missing devices if you put 2 in the sixth field and add "noauto" to the mount options |
| 15:24.25 | misternanyte | perhaps it is a driver problem with vlc |
| 15:24.27 | misternanyte | or a setting |
| 15:24.35 | misternanyte | but... still yet, sound recorder records no audio from this microphone |
| 15:24.48 | tremon | HazardX: well, you can always install gentoo instead |
| 15:25.25 | misternanyte | gentoo seems to have good support :) |
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| 15:25.37 | HazardX | tremon; not without lots of work-this is a raspberry pi (but those guys never know anything technical, and since raspbian uses debian the init system is the same) |
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| 15:25.59 | misternanyte | i just realized how to use the script command |
| 15:26.05 | misternanyte | you have to type "exit" to make it stop. |
| 15:26.08 | misternanyte | ffs... |
| 15:26.39 | HazardX | tremon I'm trying again with the pass field set to something higher than 1 |
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| 15:27.17 | HazardX | tremon, nope, next up: trying noauto also |
| 15:27.37 | tremon | HazardX: man fstab has an option nofail, looks like that's what you want |
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| 15:28.02 | misternanyte | i just don't want to deal with this crap no more |
| 15:28.10 | Towzzer | nobootwait :D |
| 15:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, ah, format vlc excepts for the device is like hw:3 or hw:3,0 <-- this one works for me and records sound |
| 15:28.41 | tremon | Towzzer: is that an fstab option? It's not in the man page |
| 15:28.42 | misternanyte | i'll try something, how do I figure out which one works though? |
| 15:28.51 | Towzzer | yeah |
| 15:29.01 | Towzzer | if a device can't be mounted it still continues the boot sequence |
| 15:29.04 | HazardX | which man section of fstab? |
| 15:29.24 | Towzzer | no idea |
| 15:29.27 | Towzzer | 5 |
| 15:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, arecord --list-pcms shows me that my webcam is on "card 3" --> hw:3 |
| 15:29.35 | tremon | HazardX: "the fourth field" options. I'm reading this on wheezy's man page |
| 15:29.53 | HazardX | AH HA! |
| 15:29.57 | HazardX | nofail seems to have worked! |
| 15:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, then, for some reason not all input channels work... the driver defines default (which doesn't work), front, and several types of "sourround" |
| 15:30.13 | HazardX | (lemme check to make sure I wasn't running my hacked checkfs.sh script though) |
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| 15:30.43 | andreasr | Hi, I'm wondering how I can open port 80 for HTTP traffic on Debian Wheezy? It seems that the firwall is blocking all HTTP requests. |
| 15:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, while the camera just has a single mic, so this is all a bit silly. anyway, "front" is defined as DEV=0 and so... it seems hw:3,0 does work |
| 15:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | andreasr, there are no firewall rules defined in default debian installs... whatever rules there are are not from your local machine or something you added |
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| 15:31.38 | misternanyte | i'm not sure where you're getting the "3" from. |
| 15:31.41 | misternanyte | there is no number |
| 15:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, http://paste.scsys.co.uk/244877 <-- this is my output of arecord --list-pcms |
| 15:32.27 | tremon | misternanyte: the first number is from /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, "HP Deluxe Webcam KQ246AA" is on card 3 |
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| 15:33.09 | misternanyte | default:CARD=U0x46d0x8da |
| 15:33.09 | misternanyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.09 | misternanyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.15 | misternanyte | ok i'll tyr that AGAIN |
| 15:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, or perhaps simpler... http://paste.scsys.co.uk/244878 <--- this is the output of arecord -l, the webcam is listed as "card 3" |
| 15:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, this (card 3) is where the 3 in hw:3,0 comes from |
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| 15:34.31 | misternanyte | yes i get it sorry i have really bad short term memory |
| 15:34.37 | misternanyte | i'm tired and annoyed |
| 15:34.43 | misternanyte | ok so i will try "1" |
| 15:35.05 | misternanyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, then try hw:1 and hw:1,0 and hw:1,1 and hw:1,2 |
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| 15:36.18 | misternanyte | ok i'll try it... |
| 15:37.04 | misternanyte | ok it seems to have found the card and.......!!!! No sound. |
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| 15:37.16 | misternanyte | i'm sure it's the mute problem now |
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| 15:38.00 | babilen | misternanyte: I know you are probably qiute deep in this already, but you might want to consider using Pulseaudio if you have to configure multiple sinks for input and/or output. You can configure things like this quite easily in, say, pavucontrol |
| 15:38.31 | cirrus] | well |
| 15:38.36 | cirrus] | sorry for quitting before |
| 15:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, on squeeze?! |
| 15:38.53 | cirrus] | without responding to yoru questions, some net issues |
| 15:39.07 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
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| 15:39.38 | misternanyte | hmm the pulse volume control is detecting the sound from my microphone. |
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| 15:39.47 | misternanyte | i can make a sound and the little green bar jumps up |
| 15:39.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackMeOwnArmOfFirst Pulse |
| 15:39.48 | cirrus] | so, I need to install i386 version of my graphic card drivers, but I can't because of hell of dependencies, it tells me that I don't have "xserver-xorg-core" but I have it |
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| 15:39.50 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Sure, but then if /that/ is an issue then an upgrade to wheezy might be in place. Didn't misternanyte install the box recently? I was under the impression that I've talked to her/him just recently and mentioned the wheezy images, but I might be wrong here. |
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| 15:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, dunno, I haven't talked before |
| 15:40.15 | cirrus] | I need 32-bit driver for Wine for 32-bit applications, because it thinks I don't have it installed |
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| 15:40.57 | cirrus] | my architecture is amd64 and result of uname -a: Linux rocket 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:42.07 | babilen | cirrus]: You can install a lot of i386 libraries directly if you use multiarch, but I have no special information about wine's dependencies concerning your graphic driver. I would, however, recommend to discuss this also in #debian-next over at irc.oftc.net as you will find some people with experience there. |
| 15:42.11 | misternanyte | in the alsa-mixer i look at the DEVICE name in the selection, and it's a "recording" option... and it's always muted |
| 15:42.18 | babilen | cirrus]: (on wheezy that is) |
| 15:42.22 | misternanyte | but in the recording option in pavucontrol there IS NO DEVICES |
| 15:42.36 | misternanyte | however it is detecting the mic in input devices |
| 15:42.42 | misternanyte | and showing that it works |
| 15:42.51 | misternanyte | however with the pavucontrol open i can no longer detect it in VLC. |
| 15:43.18 | cirrus] | babilen, well, I asked in #winehq why do I have issues with one game and they told me that I have no drivers, and that if I have 32-bit Wine I also need 32-bit graphics driver |
| 15:43.20 | misternanyte | i'm getting really annoyed think i'll just download wheezy |
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| 15:43.37 | misternanyte | of course i can always hook headphones up to my mic input on my computer |
| 15:43.41 | misternanyte | and use that as a mic |
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| 15:43.50 | babilen | cirrus]: Which graphic card do you have? |
| 15:43.52 | misternanyte | but that would look stupid on camera.. |
| 15:44.05 | cirrus] | babilen, Intel HD 4000 |
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| 15:44.26 | cirrus] | I have 64-bit drivel (xserver-xorg-video-intel, version 2.20 |
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| 15:44.55 | tekk | does the debian 7.x DVD installers have the build-essential meta-package included? |
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| 15:45.11 | tekk | (my network isn't supported out the box, I have the drivers on a usb drive, but just need a build-env) |
| 15:45.20 | babilen | cirrus]: Wait, how did you install wine? |
| 15:45.25 | abrotman | tekk: which network driver? |
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| 15:45.31 | misternanyte | ok i've decided for the most part that squeeze is a crap distro |
| 15:45.35 | tekk | tg3 (Late 2012 Mac Mini) |
| 15:45.44 | abrotman | misternanyte: or you're inept |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | tekk: that just requires firmware, not compiling anything |
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| 15:46.14 | babilen | ,v wine --release wheezy |
| 15:46.15 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 15:46.19 | tekk | well, i've never used it on debian, only ubuntu (via dkms) so compiling was required |
| 15:46.20 | cirrus] | babilen, normally, sudo apt-get install wine. when I was trying to run 32-bit application it told me to install wine for x86, so I did sudo apt-get install wine:i386 |
| 15:46.21 | abrotman | !tell tekk about firmware images wheezy |
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| 15:46.36 | misternanyte | abrotman i know what I'm doing, i know how to get things working |
| 15:46.41 | tekk | could someone on 7.x actually do me a favour and run |
| 15:46.42 | tekk | modinfo tg3 | grep 1686 |
| 15:46.48 | misternanyte | there is a simple bug with muting my microphone and it's stuck that way |
| 15:46.55 | tekk | i wanna see if its supported out the box in the current RC |
| 15:46.56 | misternanyte | it should JUST work. |
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| 15:47.27 | abrotman | misternanyte: so make it work .. you know how to do it, no idea why you're asking us |
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| 15:47.40 | abrotman | tekk: the module is there, the firmware by default is not |
| 15:47.42 | misternanyte | i don't know how to make it work. I said I know how to get things working on linux in general. |
| 15:47.49 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.50 | tekk | hmm, RC2 doesn't actually have a dvd and is netinst only.... |
| 15:47.51 | misternanyte | but the last time i used debian was etch. |
| 15:47.57 | misternanyte | and the SAME CAMERA worked fine out of the box. |
| 15:48.24 | tekk | abrotman, i'm pretty stuck as I can't seem to find a non-net install image of debian 7 RC |
| 15:48.25 | babilen | cirrus]: You might want to install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 (and maybe libasound2:i386) ... Are you sure that you need a 32 Xorg driver? I would be quite surprised if that is the case, but if #winehq is adamant about that … |
| 15:48.44 | misternanyte | I don't know the source code well enough and I'd rather not have to re-invent the wheel. |
| 15:48.53 | misternanyte | source code for alsa |
| 15:49.06 | cirrus] | babilen, I've tried everything else |
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| 15:49.15 | tekk | or are you suggesting that http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso may contain the firmware i need? |
| 15:49.17 | abrotman | tekk: the URL the bot gave you has a link to an image with the firmware |
| 15:49.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:49.23 | tekk | right ok |
| 15:49.26 | misternanyte | i will just use wheezy now |
| 15:49.31 | misternanyte | but for now whatever. |
| 15:49.34 | tekk | firmware that supports my device ID ? (sorry to keep asking :)) |
| 15:49.35 | babilen | tekk: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc2/amd64/iso-dvd/ (no firmware on this one) |
| 15:49.49 | abrotman | babilen: he has tg3 .. he needs the firmware |
| 15:50.04 | babilen | ack, but there *are* DVD images for RC2 |
| 15:50.08 | abrotman | yes, but not with firmware |
| 15:50.14 | tekk | well... for example... ubuntu 13.04 ships with tg3... but not my firmware |
| 15:50.16 | babilen | no, indeed |
| 15:50.17 | abrotman | not last i looked anyway |
| 15:50.20 | tekk | http://mike.kz/how-to/ubuntu-13-04-on-a-late-2012-mac-mini/ |
| 15:50.25 | tekk | thus why i was asking about the modinfo |
| 15:50.29 | abrotman | tekk: try the URl you pasted above |
| 15:50.46 | tekk | yeah, gonna install it in a vm and have a butchers to see what firwmares are included :) |
| 15:50.53 | misternanyte | wishes he could summon his old pentium 3 system with etch installed |
| 15:50.55 | abrotman | !tell tekk about tg3 |
| 15:50.56 | cirrus] | ok, thanks babilen, I will tell you later if it worked |
| 15:50.56 | tekk | does that installer also support EFI install (without going BIOS first) |
| 15:51.04 | babilen | it does |
| 15:51.29 | babilen | There are some problems with Windows 8, but if you don't have that or don't even care about dual boot EFI works fine. |
| 15:51.29 | tekk | very interesting.... hm |
| 15:51.34 | tekk | no dual required |
| 15:51.38 | tekk | straight up Debian on a Mac Mini |
| 15:51.49 | tekk | (so not UEFI) |
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| 15:52.46 | tekk | well i guess i'll find out whether or not tg3 works before i come to the partitioning stage of the debian-installer |
| 15:52.52 | tekk | so worth a shot :) |
| 15:53.20 | tekk | only being careful as the mac mini is remote and about 4 hours drive from me... its not mission critical, but would rather not have to drive out there to fix |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | which mac mini is this? |
| 15:53.36 | tekk | but thats abrotman |
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| 15:53.37 | abrotman | oh, intel |
| 15:53.38 | tekk | thanks* |
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| 15:53.43 | tekk | Late 2012 Intel Mac Mini |
| 15:53.50 | abrotman | yeah, i have a PPC mini |
| 15:53.59 | abrotman | much older than 2012 :) |
| 15:54.27 | tekk | :) |
| 15:54.30 | tekk | those are pretty neat |
| 15:54.39 | tekk | i have a Quad G5 i'm still rocking |
| 15:54.49 | tekk | btw, the offending NIC (present in Late 2012 Mac Mini's and onwards) is: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 01) |
| 15:54.50 | abrotman | yeah, but it hates my tv, which is what i want to hook it to |
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| 15:55.01 | abrotman | tekk: we'd need the PCIID, lspci -nn |
| 15:55.15 | tekk | 1686 something... hang on ;) |
| 15:55.18 | misternanyte | i mean again i don't want to reinvent wheel... when someone else with better experience with this new shit can fix it faster |
| 15:55.24 | tekk | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe [14e4:1686] (rev 01) |
| 15:55.28 | tekk | yes... 1686 |
| 15:55.31 | misternanyte | but i digress i am going to just go back to video editing. |
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| 15:55.49 | abrotman | tekk: oh, it's not tg3 .. evil crap |
| 15:55.51 | tekk | "modinfo tg3 | grep 1686" lists it for me on my modified box... |
| 15:56.01 | tekk | using the tg3 drivers from the broadcom website |
| 15:56.08 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:1686 |
| 15:56.09 | judd | [14e4:1686] is 'NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1686 |
| 15:56.13 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | misternanyte, are you by any chance using the google-talk plugin with your webcam? |
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| 15:56.25 | abrotman | tekk: okay, then i guess just use DVD1, that will have hte compilation tools on it |
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| 15:56.43 | tekk | ok, good shout |
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| 15:57.03 | misternanyte | nope. i don't even have that installed |
| 15:57.05 | ArtyG | Ooh, a BCM5776X, good show. |
| 15:57.05 | tekk | i think i may have a debian kernel .deb with it included |
| 15:57.36 | tekk | abrotman, regarding efi.... in the past i've had to install via BIOS emulation... then install grub or lilo efi, make some empty directories (for Apple EFI support) and mess around in general a lot... |
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| 15:57.51 | tekk | whats the latest efi installer like for debian? well supported? |
| 15:59.12 | tekk | btw... http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Apple/Mac+Mini+6,2/ mentions a note: The Tigon3 (tg3) module required for the BCM57766 doesn't have support in prebuilt packages and isn't compiling on newer (>3.2) kernels due to deprecated features around power-saving (2012-12-18T10:27:57+00:00) |
| 15:59.17 | tekk | i have a fix for that if anyone is interested :) |
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| 15:59.55 | tekk | i've detailed it here: http://mike.kz/how-to/installing-linux-on-a-late-2012-mac-mini/ |
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| 16:00.03 | misternanyte | i'm sorry man but debian seems to be a great distro, but it's still incompatible and buggy with a lot of hardware. On top of that the programs you want to use to do programming and audio/video stuff seem somewhat bloated, although quick to load... but just tangled in a messy web of libs |
| 16:00.13 | misternanyte | i want to make my own computer and just fuck it all |
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| 16:08.43 | spatials | What is the new release? |
| 16:09.08 | ompaul | spatials: read the topic ;-) |
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| 16:12.48 | mumpitze1 | misternanyte: what hardware would that be which it is incompatible with? |
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| 16:13.49 | misternanyte | mine :) |
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| 16:14.03 | misternanyte | lots of buglists on the net |
| 16:15.10 | aossama | misternanyte: and what is your hardware? |
| 16:15.20 | misternanyte | sorry but debian is a bit bloated. I do like using it for common things, but some things I want to install that just push the gigs up there |
| 16:15.37 | misternanyte | it's mainly my video card ati 6310 |
| 16:15.42 | abrotman | tekk: sorry, i don't have an EFI system that i'm aware of |
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| 16:16.30 | misternanyte | debian seems to want to appeal to all users, like most linux distros. I think that is a flaw in of itself... it's almost communistic. |
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| 16:18.17 | mumpitze1 | misternanyte: you write nonsense. a lot of it |
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| 16:19.02 | misternanyte | not really i just have an opinion. I LOVE debian. I just think it's bloated that's all. |
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| 16:19.37 | misternanyte | it's no one's fault in particular. It's just so hard to keep up with the computer industry, and the consumer wants... |
| 16:19.50 | jacobw | You don't have to install everything |
| 16:19.59 | jacobw | Tasksel isn't optimal :) |
| 16:20.05 | misternanyte | of course not, but a lot of dependecies get installed anyways |
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| 16:20.33 | misternanyte | it's kinda ridiculous. I don't want to stop progression in competition of ideas, but I do think a distro should be specific, organized and streamlined. |
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| 16:22.55 | misternanyte | imagine having a video game optimized distro that breaks on you, but it won't affect your programming distro at all :) |
| 16:23.07 | jacobw | There's no real problem |
| 16:23.21 | ompaul | !sunday |
| 16:23.21 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:23.28 | misternanyte | depends on how you look at it. I think bloat is the quintessential problem of the computer industry, and it's shady practices. |
| 16:23.40 | jacobw | What is bloat? |
| 16:23.42 | misternanyte | i'm a realist, not a fan boy. |
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| 16:25.00 | mtn | misternanyte: this is a channel for debian SUPPORT, not off-topic chat. there are places for that elsewhere |
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| 16:25.34 | jacobw | There is actually a #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:28.28 | lowkey_123 | Hi #debian. I am trying to set up a server from scratch for the first time. It is running a clean install of Debian 6. Question: how do I get started configuring my bash to work like my Ubuntu desktop? Specifically, I want bash auto-completion, bash history, and the familiar command prompt displaying present working directory. |
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| 16:29.41 | socomm | lowkey_123: bash history and auto complete should work just the same without needing to touch anything |
| 16:29.43 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.10 | mumpitze1 | pS1 should already be set to PS1=\h:\w\$ |
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| 16:30.51 | socomm | lowkey_123: you can always copy your ubuntu ~/.bash* files over to your debian install |
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| 16:32.41 | unkmar | Okay, I'm new to wheezy and the "gnome3?" interface. |
| 16:32.52 | unkmar | How do I go about doing a dhcp release and renew? |
| 16:32.53 | lowkey_123 | socomm, thanks for the suggestions. I'll try copying my ~/.bash* files over as you suggested. BTW, bash history and auto-completion work for root but not for a new user I created. |
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| 16:33.21 | unkmar | I've been doing a computer reboot to accomplish it. Which clearly works and is overkill. |
| 16:33.46 | peterrooney | lowkey_123: socomm: and .profile, and /etc/profile, and so on. "/msg dpkg based on debian", and hang in #bash - particularly, "/msg greybot !dotfiles" |
| 16:33.56 | socomm | unkmar: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-renew-dhcp-client-ip-address/ |
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| 16:38.02 | mumpitze1 | unkmar: ifdown <interface>;ifup <interface> for example |
| 16:38.14 | mumpitze1 | simple dhclient <interface> too |
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| 16:40.59 | socomm | unkmar: btw gnome 3 makes me depressed, look into cinnamon |
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| 16:44.39 | Cultist | anyone know if there's much of a chance of znc getting a version bump in wheezy anytime in the foreseeable future? |
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| 16:45.51 | abrotman | Cultist: no |
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| 16:48.41 | Cultist | blah |
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| 16:53.32 | peterrooney | !stable |
| 16:53.33 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 16:53.33 | Aziroshin | I observe that by default, Xwrapper.config restricts running an x server freely. This can be changed using dpkg-reconfigure x11-common. Now, this has not always been the case, and I am wondering a litlte about the background, especially as I am puzzled by this: |
| 16:53.43 | Aziroshin | root 5317 3.0 3.0 512316 376672 tty7 Ss+ Apr27 57:45 /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch |
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| 16:54.00 | Aziroshin | It seems as if X is running as root. |
| 16:54.35 | peterrooney | Aziroshin: that's expected. |
| 16:54.55 | Aziroshin | Why is ps showing it that way? |
| 16:55.17 | misternanyte | ah i loved chatting with u nerdy guys... it was good fun. Even though you're all fan bois.... but i still like debian so :P |
| 16:55.25 | Aziroshin | XD |
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| 16:56.52 | unkmar | okay, so, I do dhclient -r and.... I still have an ip address. |
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| 16:59.40 | mumpitze1 | unkmar: do a ifdown or a ifconfig down and you don't |
| 17:00.59 | unkmar | mumpitze1: but when I ifup it will STILL have the same ip. Not release and renew. |
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| 17:03.24 | mtn | unkmar: why do you expect to get a different ip? |
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| 17:05.01 | mumpitze1 | unkmar: maybe you should start with explaining what you want to actually accomplish? |
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| 17:06.24 | babilen | mumpitze1: What a horrible idea! ;) |
| 17:07.54 | martin-___ | how can i tell debian to use less cpu power when my notebook is on battery? |
| 17:08.08 | jacobw | Downscale the CPU frequency |
| 17:08.22 | jacobw | If the CPU supports that |
| 17:08.44 | martin-___ | how? |
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| 17:10.05 | babilen | martin-___: You could use a different CPU governor (ondemand might not be to your liking) |
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| 17:10.35 | babilen | martin-___: Just google for "cpu governor" and/or "cpu governor debian" and you'll find a bunch of articles that discuss this. |
| 17:11.07 | martin-___ | http://paste.debian.net/918/ something went wrong |
| 17:11.41 | Cultist | anyone know a good step-by-step openvpn tutorial for wheezy that works? I've tried following two of them that I've found through google, and they're both messed up in some way |
| 17:11.50 | Cultist | missing a step or giving an incorrect command |
| 17:12.00 | babilen | martin-___: Why do you think anything went wrong? |
| 17:12.14 | martin-___ | because it wants to remove on mass packages |
| 17:12.25 | martin-___ | but apt-get install cpufrequtils works |
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| 17:14.13 | babilen | martin-___: You simply have a number of packages that are no longer needed and can therefore be removed. Run "apt-get autoremove" or "apt-get --purge autoremove" to remove them. If you want to keep them then you have to tell that to the package management system by actually installing them manually. |
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| 17:15.55 | martin-___ | ok thanks babilen |
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| 17:20.53 | mumpitze1 | you shouldn't need any packages. the kernel will use EIST and CnQ automatically |
| 17:20.57 | mumpitze1 | has been for ages |
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| 17:48.03 | Aziroshin | Somehow I am not able to use ctrl+alt+Fx to switch ttys. |
| 17:48.15 | Aziroshin | I have observed that behaviour before and am wondering what is causing it. |
| 17:50.30 | phogg | Aziroshin: check /etc/inittab. Is anything running to switch to? |
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| 18:09.37 | cirrus] | babilen, are you on? |
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| 18:11.19 | babilen | on what? |
| 18:11.37 | babilen | What is it? |
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| 18:12.32 | aguitel | is safe to upgrade squeeze to wheezy now ? |
| 18:12.33 | babilen | cirrus]: It is typically a better idea to either: 1. Ask the entire channel and don't single out persons or 2. Provide enough information about what you actually went when you highlight a person |
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| 18:12.48 | babilen | aguitel: yes, and it has been for a while. follow the release notes |
| 18:13.03 | cirrus] | babilen, oh, sorry then. do you remember my question about i386 drivers? |
| 18:13.04 | babilen | fsvo safe that is |
| 18:13.12 | babilen | yes, I do |
| 18:13.19 | cirrus] | you suggested me to install libasound2:i386 and libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 |
| 18:13.25 | babilen | I did indeed |
| 18:13.26 | cirrus] | but they are installed |
| 18:13.33 | babilen | okay |
| 18:13.37 | aguitel | i am using nvidia-195.36.31 driver is there some problem with it ? |
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| 18:13.56 | babilen | You said that you are using the intel driver and did not mention nvidia once |
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| 18:14.13 | babilen | I quite specifically didn't provide instructions for nvidia because of that |
| 18:14.25 | babilen | Or did you? |
| 18:14.31 | babilen | argh |
| 18:14.34 | babilen | ENICK |
| 18:15.08 | babilen | aguitel: I'd recommend to use the DKMS driver -- See "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" for installation instructions. |
| 18:15.17 | babilen | s/driver/package/ |
| 18:15.34 | babilen | goes back to where he came from |
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| 18:16.36 | abrotman | glares at babilen! |
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| 18:28.36 | cirrus] | you told me about nvidia driver which surprised me |
| 18:28.44 | cirrus] | but it's weird that I have it installed |
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| 18:49.58 | aguitel | is this safe guide to make separate (home) partition ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving |
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| 19:21.04 | i4c | do any of u know any program or script on debian to download all files from a rss feed to a folder ? |
| 19:21.40 | i4c | like all mp3s |
| 19:21.46 | i4c | from a podcast |
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| 19:22.51 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:23.06 | lenswipe | anyone know if there a is a GUI tool for configuring wireless hotspot on debian squeeze? |
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| 19:26.06 | aguitel | what need to install in wheezy to make gnome look like gnome 2 ? |
| 19:26.39 | lenswipe | aguitel, how about gnome 2? |
| 19:27.03 | aguitel | lenswipe, no lateral bar for ex |
| 19:27.10 | lenswipe | huh? |
| 19:27.28 | subthalamus | 5 partition mbr disk converted to gpt with gdisk, then grub-efi installed but BIOS not efi capable |
| 19:27.35 | aguitel | only with one panel |
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| 19:27.51 | subthalamus | is a bIOS boot partition needed and how can grub-pc be reinstalled? |
| 19:27.59 | lenswipe | aguitel, if you want wheezy to look like gnome 2 then uninstall gnom3 and install gnome 2 - im sure it's in the repos still |
| 19:28.04 | lenswipe | gnome3* |
| 19:28.43 | aguitel | how uninstall gnome 3? |
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| 19:28.56 | lenswipe | aguitel, how do you normally uninstall things |
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| 19:29.19 | aguitel | i think it uninstall whoole gnome |
| 19:30.00 | Cultist | quick question, do I appear as a Guest handle? |
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| 19:30.54 | lenswipe | aguitel, yeah - so uninstall gnome and gdm and then re-install gnome2 and gdm2 |
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| 19:31.25 | aguitel | no way to do this |
| 19:32.21 | aguitel | under wheezy ,no way to install gnome2 |
| 19:32.48 | aguitel | only "mate" session |
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| 19:33.26 | lenswipe | right |
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| 19:33.36 | lenswipe | well I don't have wheezy so I can only suggest stuff |
| 19:33.45 | lenswipe | it should be possible to completely remove gdm |
| 19:34.01 | lenswipe | bear in mind that screwing around with that stuff can have concequences though |
| 19:34.05 | lenswipe | (hence why I don't usually do it) |
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| 19:37.46 | abrotman | that was great help ... |
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| 19:46.46 | abrotman | !tell Hiryu about away |
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| 19:54.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cirrus] about selftell |
| 19:55.21 | cirrus] | abrotman, sorry, I haven't know about "tell me by pm" feature and wanted to test it |
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| 20:00.47 | spm_Draget | What exactly am I left with after debootstrap --second-step ? I created a wheezy armel bootstrap and am chrooted into it. Did bind sys/proc. But there is not even ping and /etc/apt/sources.list is emplty, apt-get can do nothing…? |
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| 20:04.12 | spm_Draget | Manually echo >>'d the main repos into the sources.list file (since I do not have vi or nano). apt-get update seems to pull something… |
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| 20:04.37 | abrotman | !tell spm_Draget about wheezy sources.list |
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| 20:05.07 | spm_Draget | Yup. I wonder why debootstrap left these files empty. |
| 20:05.16 | spm_Draget | And I hope there is not more broken about this bootstrapped system o.o |
| 20:05.20 | jirka_on_d | hello all, are there installable enlightenment (e17) debian packages (as recent as possible) for testing please? |
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| 20:06.26 | abrotman | jirka_on_d: you culd try to install them from unstable |
| 20:06.32 | abrotman | may or may not work |
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| 20:06.58 | jirka_on_d | abrotman>ok, thank you |
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| 20:09.48 | Linuturk | where would I find a list of all the bugs currently blocking wheezy's release? |
| 20:09.53 | Linuturk | ie, why May 5th? |
| 20:10.11 | Towzzer | ever hear of "the ides of march" |
| 20:10.22 | spm_Draget | which package does 'ping' belong to? |
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| 20:10.35 | Towzzer | spm_draget, I think that's part of coreutils |
| 20:10.38 | stmiller | wheezy bugs left: http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&merged=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&chints=1&caffected=1 |
| 20:11.02 | abrotman | Linuturk: that's the target date .. |
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| 20:11.11 | abrotman | could happen earlier/later |
| 20:11.18 | aguitel | how uninstall gnome 3 to later install kde ? |
| 20:11.21 | spm_Draget | Towzzer: My bootstrapped chrooted wheezy does not have ping, tho coreutils is installed. Oh well, could be worse |
| 20:11.34 | abrotman | aguitel: aptitude install kde |
| 20:11.35 | Towzzer | I might be wrong |
| 20:11.37 | Towzzer | let's find out |
| 20:12.09 | Towzzer | iputils-ping |
| 20:12.16 | Towzzer | maybe that's it |
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| 20:12.40 | aguitel | abrotman, yes i know ,but how remove gnome ? |
| 20:13.19 | stmiller | To remove gnome, do sudo apt-get remove gnome* |
| 20:13.28 | stmiller | Then sudo apt-get autoremove when that is done |
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| 20:14.05 | abrotman | aguitel: just remove it .. like any other package |
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| 20:14.22 | Quest | can I install applications on windows clients with a linux server, just in a way that active directory and domain control system does by the aid of a windows server? if not (most probably) are there any work arounds? |
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| 20:14.37 | aguitel | abrotman, one x one package? |
| 20:15.06 | abrotman | aguitel: it's a metapackage |
| 20:15.18 | stmiller | Quest not right now, but soon. Some projects like Puppet aim to do that. It's getting there |
| 20:15.37 | abrotman | stmiller: you can install things on windows with puppet from linux |
| 20:15.39 | aguitel | abrotman, ok |
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| 20:15.56 | Towzzer | abrotman, puppet or chef |
| 20:15.58 | Towzzer | what do you think? |
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| 20:16.08 | abrotman | Towzzer: i think i already covered this wiht you in msg? :) |
| 20:16.26 | reavengrey | All this effort and sweat being wasted on linux |
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| 20:16.34 | Quest | STMelon, what if the clients are also linux OS? |
| 20:16.35 | abrotman | reavengrey: you can /part now |
| 20:16.38 | Towzzer | I thought we were talking about analog recordings |
| 20:16.40 | reavengrey | but no worries, soon you'll be saved |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | Towzzer: i think a bit of both |
| 20:16.51 | reavengrey | I will save you all from the tyranny of linux |
| 20:16.55 | Towzzer | I still need feet for my reel to reel |
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| 20:17.04 | abrotman | reavengrey: go play somewhere else |
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| 20:17.18 | abrotman | Towzzer: i use puppet, works well enough |
| 20:17.31 | abrotman | others like chef, while still others find both deficient |
| 20:17.54 | iamwhoiam | hello people, a question about apt-get: how can i delete an application entirely, no file remaining whatsoever, configurations etc?? purge does not seem to work as well as i would like it to |
| 20:18.02 | abrotman | Towzzer: and based on logs, you asked me if you should learn puppet or cfengine :) |
| 20:18.10 | abrotman | iamwhoiam: purge the correct package |
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| 20:19.31 | iamwhoiam | abrotman: i have issues with alpine, i want to remove it, i use purge but as soon as i reinstall it, it is preconfigured in a sense woth older accounts blah blah blah |
| 20:19.40 | abrotman | iamwhoiam: that's in your $HOME |
| 20:19.40 | Quest | 1. can I install applications on windows clients with a linux server (to all clients at once with a single instruction), just in a way that active directory and domain control system does by the aid of a windows server? if not (most probably) are there any work arounds? 2. how to do all that if the clients and server are both linux based? (that would be easy i guess)? |
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| 20:19.50 | Towzzer | now I'm thinking about chef, seems more jobs want that |
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| 20:20.11 | Towzzer | redhat is about wearing dress shirts and send emails with as many people CC'd as possible |
| 20:20.17 | abrotman | Towzzer: depends what you're looking to do .. our entire operation team is looking to move from cfengine to puppet |
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| 20:20.24 | iamwhoiam | abrotman: i have also deleted that folder (the 'mail' folder) |
| 20:20.29 | abrotman | iamwhoiam: that won't help |
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| 20:21.12 | iamwhoiam | abrotman: any ideas what would? besides purge alpine and deleteing that folder? |
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| 20:21.52 | abrotman | iamwhoiam: do you have a .pinerc? does alpine still use tha tfile ? |
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| 20:23.42 | gele | how do i create a md 'linear' array in the debian installer? i only see the different raid levels listed in the md configuration screen. |
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| 20:24.58 | Towzzer | what's a linear raid? |
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| 20:25.31 | gele | it's not raid, it's just a concatenation of the different devices (rather than striping). |
| 20:25.44 | Towzzer | jbod? |
| 20:25.57 | gele | yeah. the md mode is called 'linear'. |
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| 20:26.24 | Towzzer | hm |
| 20:27.06 | iamwhoiam | abrotman: omg, i was looking for an alpinerc file, not pine.. it worked... thank you! (with a small embarrassment) |
| 20:27.10 | subthalamus | trying to reinstall grub2 on debian drive I just converted to gpt |
| 20:27.22 | gele | i could use lvm, but i'm going to use encryption and then lvm on top of it and i'm not sure how the initrd will handle recursive lvm. |
| 20:27.25 | subthalamus | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding bios drive |
| 20:27.34 | abrotman | iamwhoiam: good luck |
| 20:28.23 | subthalamus | root should be /dev/sda2 but I'm pretty sure the /boot/grub/ config files in there still think they are on non-gpt |
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| 20:41.50 | hid3 | Hello everyone. |
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| 20:41.58 | aguitel | how open ssystem settings in kde with root ? |
| 20:42.07 | hid3 | What does the topic 'jessie will be wheezy' mean? |
| 20:42.24 | raouk | is it possible to set up my debian based rp to do ssh only through the ethernet, and all other internet dealings through a usb wireless adapter? |
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| 20:45.23 | subthalamus | hid3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Timeline |
| 20:45.32 | mumpitze1 | hid3: the next version of debian is called jessie. and soon, it will become the new testing, just like wheezy is now |
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| 20:49.53 | subthalamus | Path '/boot/grub/' is not readable by GRUB on boot. install impossible. Aborting |
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| 20:52.31 | aguitel | i try to make autologin in kde (with kdm) but it say :Unable to authenticate/execute the action: (code 4) |
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| 20:56.56 | ilikenwf | setting up my first VM server... i already have proxmox up, and i sort of want to have at least some of my guests encrypted, and deduped if possible |
| 20:57.04 | ilikenwf | i've looked into zfs, but i'd have to use it on an lvm volume |
| 20:57.18 | ilikenwf | sdfs is another option since it's not so much an fs, but sits atop another fs as a hash database |
| 20:57.33 | ilikenwf | but either way, does anyone know anything about this sort of setup? |
| 20:57.37 | ilikenwf | suggestions? |
| 20:57.42 | edju | Just installed wheezy amd64. When I updated, noticed that some pkgs were coming from the sid repos. Sure enough, sources.list.d refers to sid. apt-cache policy lists both wheezy and sid as 500, which I assume means get whichever pkg is the higher version. Why does the default install point to sid at all? What happens when wheezy goes stable? If I remove the sid source and update, will anything untoward happen? |
| 20:57.46 | ilikenwf | host os is wheezy on a luks volume |
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| 20:59.33 | ilikenwf | proxmox prefers lvm based volumes |
| 20:59.48 | ilikenwf | so i may end up setting up a group that way for nonsecure machines |
| 20:59.58 | ilikenwf | and then use file based on ext4 for the secure ones |
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| 21:00.08 | ilikenwf | slight performance hit, but still probably better than layering so much crap |
| 21:00.16 | ilikenwf | maybe do file based for both, and sdfs on top |
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| 21:21.53 | aguitel | why this error ? :http://bpaste.net/show/95002/ |
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| 21:30.17 | mumpitze1 | aguitel: check if /sbin/ldconfig exists. check if you can run it |
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| 21:59.58 | bluntman | cant connect on my broadcom ethernet - yall think I need firmware possibly |
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| 22:00.37 | bluntman | just installed wheezy - no connection |
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| 22:03.00 | mumpitze1 | bluntman: dmesg will tell you |
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| 22:05.58 | unkmar | I was troubleshooting network issues. I can't be certain about the dhcp server fuctioning properly if I can't force a release/renew process. |
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| 22:07.07 | unkmar | We did eventually find where the network problem was. However, fighting linux, just like I fight windows does not help me. |
| 22:07.54 | unkmar | as Far as troubleshooting DHCP, windows would have actually been better. I could have simply unplugged and plugged back in KNOWING that windows is trigger happy on reattempting DHCP at any network hiccup. |
| 22:08.58 | unkmar | As far as sanity. I much prefer that linux will just assume that the network hiccuped and not immediately reattempt to estabilish a new connection with a new ip address everytime the network has a some tiny lag. |
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| 22:10.52 | loldog | Hello |
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| 22:11.08 | loldog | update-inframs freezes |
| 22:11.12 | loldog | what can I do with it? |
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| 22:11.16 | unkmar | I wasn't there, but it was found that a switch was physically connected to the router twice. No wonder nothing was working. That tends to really mess up networks. |
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| 22:15.16 | bluntman | i am running it out of a virtualbox if that makes any difference - but it does not seem to see my network adaper as a tg3 - dmesg says it an e1000 whatever that is. |
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| 22:17.18 | bluntman | but in my network manager it says that my wired network is unmanaged |
| 22:18.32 | bluntman | i modprobed tg3 to no avail |
| 22:19.14 | bluntman | i do a lsmod and tg3 is there though |
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| 22:23.36 | bluntman | i can ping my gateway 192.168.0.1 - and I can ping google's dns at 8.8.8.8 - so maybe i just don' |
| 22:23.46 | bluntman | t have dns for some reason |
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| 22:31.04 | dabor | how to config powersave by default? |
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| 22:46.28 | Beth | hey all. I'm trying out the wheezy installer RC2, and I've been getting stuck on at the same part of the installer a few times. After the files are retrieved, the install works until the "installing ntfs-3g" part. Has anyone experienced a similar issue? |
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| 22:48.34 | Beth | I would have posted on debian-next, but when I try to get on there it says I've been banned for some reason? |
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| 22:50.04 | abrotman | Beth: a) how long did you wait? b) #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:51.46 | Beth | a) to post? or for the installed ntfs-3g module to complete? I haven't joined oftc.net, maybe that is the reason. I've waited on the installed ntfs-3g section for many minutes, but the computer is in a hard lockup state. Keyboard caps lock or numlock or mouse will no respond. |
| 22:52.16 | abrotman | a) no, for it to fail |
| 22:52.33 | abrotman | did you check the debug terminal? |
| 22:53.05 | Beth | I haven't yet, can you point me to some instructions on how to do that? I'd be glad to |
| 22:53.29 | abrotman | hit alt-f2 or alt-f3 .. i forget which it is |
| 22:54.16 | Beth | ill try, but what should i do? restart the install, and have it open, or try to hit it now? It will not respond to anything? |
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| 22:56.48 | hanasaki | any plans for kde 4.10 to go into testing? |
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| 22:57.27 | abrotman | hanasaki: wheezy is nearing release, no |
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| 22:57.39 | hanasaki | thanks abrotman |
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| 23:14.05 | wald0 | it is this new grub2 (i still using grub1) something dynamic ? i mean in about showing other OS's in teh boot, so i have see some file called "os-probe" file in /etc |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | os-prober? |
| 23:15.35 | wald0 | yes, i think so |
| 23:15.43 | abrotman | is there an actual question ? |
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| 23:17.40 | wald0 | yes, i want to know if the menu of grub where you select other OS's to boot with, if this is something static to configure like in grub1 or it is automatically generated on boot (or something a bit more dynamic than in grub1) |
| 23:18.38 | abrotman | os-prober looks for other operating systems |
| 23:18.44 | abrotman | it's not generated on boot |
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| 23:19.03 | abrotman | it's generated using update-grub, etc, just like grub1 |
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| 23:20.21 | basiclas_ | any hardware wizards in here? i need help please :D |
| 23:20.33 | abrotman | there is a ##hardware |
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| 23:45.56 | Mahjongg | Hello, what is the easiest way to sound configuration? I had an HP 4120 which all the sound was flowing thorugh. Not sure how I got it got chosen to be the default sound card. BUt now removed the HP4120 usb connection from my computer and I do not have any sound. Any help? 6.0.1 here |
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| 23:46.42 | Mahjongg | trying to run alsamixer I get this: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
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