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| 00:01.03 | ewew | Hello, is possible update from 6.0.7 to 7 stable) |
| 00:01.05 | ewew | _ |
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| 00:01.33 | abrotman | sure |
| 00:01.44 | abrotman | !tell ewew about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 00:02.37 | ewew | reinstall will not do? |
| 00:02.47 | abrotman | you can if you want, not required |
| 00:03.25 | ewew | But... the 7.0 stable is not ready not? |
| 00:03.32 | abrotman | ewew: in about another week |
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| 00:04.33 | ewew | and may update without problem? is that I want to install the 6.0.7 now arrives instantly, and not if i wait through 7 stable. |
| 00:04.38 | dvs | famous last words.... |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | ewew: try again ? |
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| 00:05.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell ewew -about install wheezy |
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| 00:06.21 | babilen | ewew: You can install wheezy (Debian 7) today just fine. |
| 00:07.42 | ewew | ewew: yes, but is not 'estable'... im interested in stable version |
| 00:07.53 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:07.53 | ewew | ups, babilen >D |
| 00:08.35 | babilen | ewew: It will be released as stable in one week. The changes to it will be minimal ... I would strongly recommend to install wheezy and not squeeze at this point. |
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| 00:09.19 | ewew | babilen: aahh ok |
| 00:09.53 | ewew | the ISO is this, not? |
| 00:09.55 | ewew | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 00:10.39 | babilen | I would recommend the RC2 and the netinstall with firmware if you have a working internet connection. Ask the bot about <firmware images wheezy> with "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" |
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| 00:11.57 | abrotman | wonders if kmuto will continue his work after wheezy is released |
| 00:12.09 | Omen | haha. I just built a kernel for a debian server. I removed support for all the hardware it doesn't have and built in everything it does have. Ended up with a massive 5.17 meg kernel image |
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| 00:12.40 | abrotman | haha, you're responsible for all security issues |
| 00:12.49 | babilen | Omen: Are you having very small harddrives or why would you do that? |
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| 00:13.07 | ewew | babilen: this? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso the difference? |
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| 00:13.35 | Omen | babilen, because it's for a friend who is running a Pentium II computer as a "server". It has I think 64meg of PC133 |
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| 00:13.38 | babilen | ewew: yes, that one ... that one contains firmware for hardware and downloads packages you need from the internet |
| 00:13.41 | Omen | 400mhz processor |
| 00:14.56 | themill | Omen: you're talking about memory usage; everyone else is talking about disk usage |
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| 00:15.42 | Omen | themill, I built it for the processor it will run on. I removed a lot of the overhead bloat of things that will never be used on the system. |
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| 00:15.55 | themill | that only use disk space |
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| 00:16.29 | Omen | themill, if you bothered to read all the different options you will see removing some of them reduces memory usage by a lot. |
| 00:16.41 | themill | hence babilen's question -- do you really have such a small hard drive that it's worth having to do all your own security support? |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | !gentoosmite themill |
| 00:16.53 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling themill, and when it's all done, themill runs 0.5% faster than previously |
| 00:17.01 | themill | win me! |
| 00:17.15 | Omen | a few megs here and there on a normal system doesn't matter. saving 20 - 30 meg of memory on a system that only has 64 is massive. |
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| 00:18.12 | Omen | building the kernel for the processor it will run on improves performance too. Removing all the 'extra' stuff that the system doesn't support removed physical size and build time. |
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| 00:18.54 | abrotman | Omen: congrats, good luck |
| 00:19.06 | themill | the build time for kernels on my machine is already 0s. |
| 00:19.20 | basiclas_ | are there any lists of debian friendly laptops? :) i need a new laptop |
| 00:19.30 | useless-eater | Omen: did you try a minimal debian install? just uses a few megs of ram. System will eat 10mb ram I think, wheezy probably around 20?. 64mb only will limit options for what to run on it though :) |
| 00:19.31 | abrotman | basiclas_: define "friendly" |
| 00:19.45 | useless-eater | basiclas_: thinkpads are my favorite |
| 00:19.48 | basiclas_ | wifi functioning within 24 hours of frustration :) |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | basiclas_: generally, i'd say go all intel, but that's because i don't play video games on my laptop |
| 00:20.26 | babilen | +1 |
| 00:20.36 | basiclas_ | would you guys be able to tell me if i just sent you a link? or is it a question of trial |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | or as much intel as you can |
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| 00:21.00 | abrotman | basiclas_: in short, really, intel video, intel wireless, intel LAN .. generally, you'll be okay |
| 00:21.08 | useless-eater | agree to that too :) |
| 00:21.10 | basiclas_ | ok thanks |
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| 00:22.22 | basiclas_ | which would you go for out of these two ? (sorry if it seems spammy) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009HQ6UZM/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller= |
| 00:22.27 | basiclas_ | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASUS-X401A-WX390H-14-4GB-Ram-320GB-SATA-HDD-Webcam-HDMI-/271196201175?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item3f248da0d7 |
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| 00:22.46 | basiclas_ | Im desperate, I just sold my macbook after EFI hell :D |
| 00:23.37 | Omen | useless-eater, it was already a minimal. I wanted to see if I could lighten it up even more and I did. By a lot. I already have done other kernel builds before on other OS's. I just thought I would share that bit of info because I thought it was funny to see a 5.1 meg kernel |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | basiclas_: not enough specs |
| 00:24.28 | basiclas_ | ok thanks, |
| 00:24.40 | abrotman | basiclas_: need more specifics |
| 00:25.15 | basiclas_ | should i email the vendor? theres a good chance theyd be clueless right :D |
| 00:25.37 | abrotman | i'd imagine if you googled, you could find better specs |
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| 00:26.05 | basiclas_ | thanks im on a roll |
| 00:26.14 | ex-parrot | hi all... I seem to have something resembling "disable trackpade while typing" affecting my USB mouse on Xfce / Wheezy since upgrading from Squeeze... anyone run in to this? |
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| 00:26.32 | ex-parrot | the mouse freezes while text input is happening, and only starts moving again a second or so after I finish typing |
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| 00:35.25 | ex-parrot | ah it was mouseemu |
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| 00:37.58 | ewew_ | babilen: firmware-wheezy-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso this is the max updated iso? This ISO have XFCE?? |
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| 00:38.17 | ewew_ | As I have understood, 7.0 would come with XFCE |
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| 00:45.04 | nevyn | no. |
| 00:45.18 | nevyn | the netinst cd has no desktop environment at all |
| 00:45.24 | nevyn | you want cd1 |
| 00:45.29 | nevyn | ewew_: ^^ |
| 00:45.59 | ewew_ | nevyn: yes, but I can choose the desk with the netinstall, no? |
| 00:46.07 | ewew_ | desktop environment |
| 00:46.13 | nevyn | sure. |
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| 00:47.03 | ewew_ | babilen says me to download this iso firmware-wheezy-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:47.07 | ewew_ | nevyn |
| 00:47.32 | nevyn | so that iso does not have xfce on it. |
| 00:47.50 | nevyn | however it will install a debian system which you can install xfce on. |
| 00:48.25 | ewew_ | ok |
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| 00:49.10 | ewew_ | I will install Debian with that iso.And next week should be able to upgrade to the 7.0 stable not? |
| 00:49.17 | ewew_ | mevym |
| 00:49.48 | nevyn | that'll be very close to wheezy aiui. |
| 00:49.48 | dvs | ewew_: You'd pretty much have Debian 7. I'll probably install a few packages and that's it. |
| 00:50.39 | ewew_ | ok |
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| 00:51.49 | abrotman | looks at nyov |
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| 00:54.05 | unkmar | okay, so I read the backport instructions and... I get a 404, File not found during update. |
| 00:54.23 | unkmar | I'm running squeeze. Hello there abrotman. |
| 00:54.25 | unkmar | waves |
| 00:55.25 | unkmar | Err http://debian.gtisc.gatech.edu squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
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| 00:56.15 | nevyn | that seems sane... |
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| 00:56.29 | kriebz | unkmar: remove the "(-sloppy)" part. that was meant for you to interperate as optional |
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| 00:57.12 | unkmar | kriebz: ah. Some reason I thought that MIGHT be the case. I would have assumed [-sloppy] as optional. |
| 00:57.31 | unkmar | since most instructions use [] to denote optionals. |
| 00:57.35 | unkmar | kriebz: Thank you. |
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| 00:57.44 | kriebz | yeah, bad writeup. it's not actually a command, so... |
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| 00:58.45 | unkmar | kriebz: so... Yeah, I know. I was just saying. :) |
| 00:58.57 | unkmar | kriebz: its all happy now. |
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| 01:01.15 | abrotman | unkmar: ? |
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| 01:01.27 | unkmar | okay, so the real reason I'm here. |
| 01:01.58 | unkmar | I play minecraft and am attempting to run mcedit. It requires python 2.7+ so..... |
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| 01:02.49 | unkmar | abrotman: weekend going well? |
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| 01:04.27 | unkmar | And if someone suggests upgrading to wheezy, I just might pluck an eyeball out. Not sure whos eyeball. I'd like to upgrade. However, I am out of drive space until I swap to the 3Tb drive. |
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| 01:06.33 | nu1x | a question : How come in debian testing, when i use dselect (yes i choose to use dselect from time to time, old habits) the package info windows now only contains the title text, and no package description at all ? |
| 01:07.07 | nu1x | i am installing from netinst, fresh system so far |
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| 01:09.19 | nu1x | package descriptions are obviously present, as i can look at them with apt-cache show packagename |
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| 01:10.35 | abrotman | nu1x: i haven't used dselect in ages, does it have an 'update' mechanism ? |
| 01:10.44 | nu1x | yes |
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| 01:10.56 | nu1x | i updated package lists to most revent |
| 01:11.07 | nu1x | ^recent |
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| 01:14.51 | nu1x | i just used dselect so much in the past, i have acquired muscle memory and am quite fast with it, so it is a useful tool to me, would be great if pkg descriptions would show normally |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | nu1x: try an apt-get and aptitude update .. see if it makes a difference |
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| 01:16.34 | nu1x | ok, aptitude shows full, normal package descriptions |
| 01:16.40 | nu1x | arrr |
| 01:16.58 | nu1x | seems some dselect glitch |
| 01:18.24 | dvs | nu1x: Or dselect is not being worked on anymore.... |
| 01:19.00 | nu1x | may well be, as i figure aptitude is default now ? |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | nu1x: i meant do the update |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | like "aptitude update" |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | see if it changes the descriptoins |
| 01:19.21 | nu1x | ah |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | and apt-get update |
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| 01:22.34 | themill | (is dselect not downloading Translation-en) |
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| 01:27.10 | nu1x | abrotman - yeah, same deal as before, after "aptitude update" (i don't have a switch here, so i have to plug in my net cable to the other comp) |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | nu1x: themill suggested a possible problem |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.28 | nu1x | the lines are marked Ign (i guess Ignore ?) |
| 01:28.41 | nu1x | how do i fix that ? |
| 01:28.50 | themill | nu1x: can you pastebin the full output? |
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| 01:30.36 | nu1x | not really, no connection between compys |
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| 01:33.09 | abrotman | wonders how computerB updates its sources |
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| 01:34.44 | nu1x | basically, it says : | Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Translation-en_US | [same+] Translation-en | Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en_US | [same+] Translation-en <-- | marks new line |
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| 01:35.03 | nu1x | i take out the cable, put it into my laptop, and then put the cable back in here to report |
| 01:35.11 | nu1x | not the sweetest setup |
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| 01:35.29 | nu1x | i typed that |
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| 01:36.51 | nu1x | there seem to be no other lines containing Translation |
| 01:37.14 | themill | Translation-* aren't on security.d.o because the descriptions don't change with security updates. Descriptions should, however, be downloaded for your regular mirror. |
| 01:37.24 | themill | Do you not have a mirror in your sources.list? |
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| 01:38.32 | nu1x | ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main and ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main |
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| 01:39.08 | themill | mixing "stable" and "wheezy" isn't a great plan -- and using stable in your sources.list at all isn't really that good |
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| 01:39.40 | nu1x | it downloads Release and Packages but no mention of Translation except from security.debian.org |
| 01:39.48 | nu1x | ok |
| 01:40.07 | themill | What version of apt are you actually using there? |
| 01:41.00 | nu1x | apt 0.9.7.8 |
| 01:41.00 | apt | 0.9 |
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| 01:42.03 | rryoumaa | what's the whitelist mailing list? some spam prevention thing? |
| 01:42.04 | themill | that should handle Translation just fine. |
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| 01:42.35 | themill | rryoumaa: google answers that with the first hit... |
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| 01:43.22 | rryoumaa | ah, the "browse around debian documentation pages" strategy was insufficient |
| 01:43.24 | nu1x | themill - ok, maybe ill try commenting out some sources like security or stable the next time i connect that laptop and see how that goes |
| 01:43.38 | themill | ,bug 675748 |
| 01:43.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/675748 in apt (open): «dselect no longer shows package descriptions, /var/lib/dpkg/available no longer contains them»; severity: important; opened: 2012-06-03; last modified: 2013-01-28. |
| 01:43.54 | nu1x | oh |
| 01:44.31 | nu1x | dammit, does that mean it is a standing bug for half a year ? |
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| 01:45.03 | themill | you're probably one of only a handful of people to care about dselect; additionally, there is a trivial workaround in that bug report |
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| 01:45.22 | nu1x | reads |
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| 01:46.12 | themill | your time would probably be better spent getting familiar with aptitude rather than dselect, btw |
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| 01:46.28 | abrotman | i'll say |
| 01:46.54 | nu1x | i guess, but still |
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| 01:50.08 | nu1x | themill - ok, i got the fix, thank you very much ! :P |
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| 02:26.50 | Guest24814 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4MCX3LbwJs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4MCX3LbwJs |
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| 02:41.01 | Cultist | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.47 | somiaj | Cultist: I woudln't put it there, that is for files that dpkg controls. copy the script to /usr/local/bin -- though Ipersonally use $HOME/bin for my main user and put that in my path |
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| 02:43.30 | Cultist | does anything need to be done for it to be recognized as a python script? |
| 02:43.40 | Cultist | so I can just run scriptname, and not python scriptname? |
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| 02:43.46 | abrotman | how do you run it currently? |
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| 02:43.56 | Cultist | python scriptname |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | you can chmod +x and make #!/usr/bin/python the first line |
| 02:44.21 | Cultist | although I guess maybe it isn't necessary to do it that way, just an assumption on my part |
| 02:45.26 | Cultist | ah cool |
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| 02:55.22 | ex-parrot | seems apps linked against gtk3 in wheezy are markedly slower at their UI drawing than apps using gtk2 :/ gedit for instance lags out badly while scrolling since upgrading to wheezy |
| 02:55.53 | ex-parrot | this is on an i5 / intel HD4000, so it shouldn't have any trouble at all drawing UI stuff |
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| 02:57.30 | ex-parrot | also, trying to make a text selection larger than the text editing box no longer scrolls once the cursor is moved outside the bounds of the box like it did with gtk 2 |
| 02:59.14 | Aziroshin | With kwin, I used to be able to force a window to have a certain size. It would not even be allowed to resize to begin with. I have fluxbox now, and somehow, fluxbox can't do that. |
| 02:59.24 | Aziroshin | Any ideas on how to accomplish that nonetheless? |
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| 03:02.32 | somiaj | Aziroshin: use xprop and check the window hints and the likes. If there are hints specifing its side I think you can tell fluxbox to ignore them |
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| 03:07.59 | Aziroshin | somiaj: apt-file search xprops doesn't yield much promising results, unfortunately. |
| 03:08.05 | Aziroshin | Oh, wait |
| 03:08.19 | Aziroshin | Never mind. XD |
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| 03:08.54 | somiaj | Aziroshin: it should be installed I think it is part of xorg utils package |
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| 03:34.40 | truexfan81 | is there a log file somewhere that would show why the system dropped to a initramfs prompt during boot? |
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| 03:38.04 | ex-parrot | another potential bug: the alternating row colours in rrhythmbox song list seem to be missing, it's gone to just a plain white background. this kind of thing is very difficult to tell if it's a genuine regression or a weird design choice :/ anyone know? |
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| 03:49.09 | Nirvash | No clue ex |
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| 03:49.39 | ex-parrot | seems like it was intentional. I'm really sad about how disasterously weird and broken gnome is for me in the latest stable, it hasn't changed in functionality for about a decade and now it's gone all weird and frustrating :/ |
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| 03:49.57 | Arrowmaster | isnt rhythmbox development controlled buy gnome? probably poor design choice |
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| 03:50.22 | ex-parrot | yeah it looks like a totally intentional piece of dumb design. I think tonight will be time to try KDE again :/ |
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| 04:30.31 | boudiccas | is there a meta-package for fluxbox please? |
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| 04:31.14 | nitrix | apt-get install archlinux |
| 04:32.32 | ex-parrot | boudiccas: what would the meta-package include? |
| 04:32.46 | ex-parrot | fluxbox is fairly self contained imo :) |
| 04:33.39 | boudiccas | i've just upgraded it, but just as with 'fluxbox' itself, and wondered if the rest of the porgrammes have also been upgraded too? |
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| 04:47.03 | tophalf01 | loldog: Give your monitor a kiss. |
| 04:47.05 | tophalf01 | loldog: It usually clears things up for me |
| 04:47.25 | tophalf01 | http://www.textfiles.com/computers/trivia.2 How many of them can you get? |
| 04:47.31 | tophalf01 | What are the differences between Ubuntu and Debian? |
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| 04:51.05 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:55.38 | truexfan81 | tophalf01: for one thing debian is always faster :) |
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| 05:08.07 | crazy2k | Hello! Can someone tell me why, when I try to transfer a large file over wifi, scp and rsync stop after a few seconds? scp says it's stalled, and rsync simply stops. |
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| 05:08.52 | EgonR | Is there any server still mirroring lenny packages? |
| 05:09.27 | themill | EgonR: archive.debian.org is there but it's there principally for historical amusement not as an excuse not to upgrade to squeeze |
| 05:09.48 | EgonR | no i just want to browse |
| 05:09.56 | EgonR | i am already on squeeze |
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| 05:10.01 | themill | :) |
| 05:10.18 | EgonR | i want to compare package contents for a few packages |
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| 05:15.14 | EgonR | i am looking for the awesome kde3 sound theme =D |
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| 05:36.25 | ectospasm | ...using Debian sid, btw |
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| 05:58.52 | nix\ | Which version of Debian is recommended for a celeron 366Mhz with 64mb of RAM and X Window System ? |
| 05:59.23 | nix\ | Debian 5 lenny stop on 75% "Installed locales" |
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| 07:10.58 | Nirvash | Anyone have a guide on SSH keys? |
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| 07:12.24 | themill | !ssh keys |
| 07:12.25 | dpkg | (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/rootrsync for one approach. |
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| 07:17.41 | Nirvash | Not what I was thinking about. How do I "su" and get root without "su password" |
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| 07:18.38 | ectospasm | Nirvash: sudo -i |
| 07:18.55 | ectospasm | ...your login user has to be listed in /etc/sudoers |
| 07:19.07 | ectospasm | Or in the sudo group |
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| 07:19.26 | Nirvash | Aight, let me check those out |
| 07:19.44 | ectospasm | of course, sudo has to be installed |
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| 07:20.24 | Nirvash | I have sudo installed, and I'm assuming "visudo" isn't where I need to put creds |
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| 07:20.35 | Nirvash | Well no, that's etc/sudoers |
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| 07:21.22 | jelly-home | visudo is how you edit /etc/sudoers with proper locking and sanity checking |
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| 07:22.10 | Nirvash | Right, I have nirvash ALL=(ALL) ALL so essentially my user is 'root' |
| 07:22.29 | Nirvash | But is there any way at all to escalate to root without entering root password? |
| 07:22.37 | ectospasm | Nirvash: yes, sudo |
| 07:22.49 | ectospasm | Nirvash: sudo -i will ask for the user password, not root |
| 07:23.03 | Nirvash | But no way to do "su" and be escalated automagically? |
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| 07:23.39 | ectospasm | that's dangerous to do, but see the sudoers manpage... you can pass NOPASSWD properly, and you won't need a password. But this is VERY, VERY, DANGEROUS. |
| 07:24.05 | ectospasm | you better trust everyone who has physical access to the machine. |
| 07:24.29 | Nirvash | I'm the only one, and I was just curious if it could be done. I like "sudo -i" |
| 07:24.50 | Nirvash | Is there anything I can't do while in the sudoers file like that? |
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| 07:25.58 | Nirvash | ALL=(ALL) ALL I mean; is there anything that I can't do as this user that I'd need to "sudo -i" to complete? |
| 07:26.22 | ectospasm | Nirvash: sudo -i just gives you a root shell |
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| 07:26.46 | ectospasm | If you just want to execute a command as root, "sudo <cmd>" |
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| 07:27.01 | ectospasm | for me, it gets tedious to always type sudo |
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| 07:27.20 | Nirvash | Is there anything that I can't do with those permissions? What will it require root for? 0_o |
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| 07:27.43 | Neal_ | ectospasm: if someone has physical access, there's even worse things to worry about :P |
| 07:27.46 | ectospasm | Nirvash: sudo is a mechanism for acquiring root privileges without the root password. |
| 07:27.59 | ectospasm | Neal_: of course |
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| 07:28.16 | Nirvash | Neal_: Cold RAM swap anyone? lol |
| 07:28.37 | Nirvash | ectospasm: Right, I know that I just guess I don't understand what requires root and what you can sudo |
| 07:28.54 | Nirvash | *Anything* that requires root can be sudo'd? |
| 07:29.01 | ectospasm | Nirvash: yes |
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| 07:29.39 | Nirvash | Alright, thanks. I understand what sudo does, I just don't understand /etc/sudoers |
| 07:29.51 | Nirvash | You'd think ALLx3 would mean 'you can do anything and don't need to worry about root' |
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| 07:31.44 | Neal_ | Nirvash: you can just leave /etc/sudoers as is and add users to the sudo group if you want - `usermod -a -G sudo USER` |
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| 07:32.12 | ectospasm | Nirvash: no, you misunderstand |
| 07:32.46 | Nirvash | Neal_: I'm the only user on these servers, but I don't like logging in as root. I end up using rsync and FTP as root though |
| 07:32.49 | ectospasm | Nirvash: you still need to do certain things as root, and sudo allows one to do it without using or even setting a root password. |
| 07:33.07 | ectospasm | sudo does not drop the need for the root/admin account |
| 07:33.09 | Nirvash | ectospasm: Caviat being that root has to allow you to do certain things in 'its name' as it were? |
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| 07:33.32 | ectospasm | Nirvash: sudo *is* doing it in root's name |
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| 07:33.44 | Nirvash | With *your* password, right? |
| 07:33.58 | ectospasm | Nirvash: yes. |
| 07:34.02 | themill | in its default configuration |
| 07:34.04 | ectospasm | Nirvash: try "sudo whoami" |
| 07:34.13 | Nirvash | Alright, thanks |
| 07:34.34 | Neal_ | your password just authenticates sudo that you are who you are |
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| 07:35.02 | Nirvash | Okay, that makes sense. So /etc/sudoers tells sudo who can do things as root |
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| 07:35.23 | ectospasm | Nirvash: ...or other users... sudoers is very powerful |
| 07:35.24 | Nirvash | That's right, because you can do user ALL=(ALL) rsync to only allow rsync iirc |
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| 07:36.05 | Nirvash | I may have gotten syntax wrong, but you can limit commands that way too so people can't "sudo allurbaserbelongtous" if you don't want them to |
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| 07:36.20 | ectospasm | it's even more fine grained than that: you can specify which options the commands can have, and sudo will balk if they try to say, mount a device which isn't explicitly allowed for that use |
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| 07:36.36 | no_gravity | Good Morning from Germany! I know how to convert images when im in a bash shell (convert -verbose -quality 75% old.jpg new.jpg) how can i make an icon on the gnome desktop, so when an image is dragged onto it, this command is performed? |
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| 07:36.39 | ectospasm | s/$/r/ |
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| 07:36.48 | Nirvash | Okay, so I'm with you. "sudo -i" saves me from having to dig up my 80 character hash thoguh lol |
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| 07:38.49 | themill | no_gravity: that depends quite a lot on how you want this action to make up the "new.jpg" name for you |
| 07:39.39 | no_gravity | themill: if the script is executed and the name of the file is passed to it, i will figure it out i guess |
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| 07:40.08 | themill | no_gravity: how? "new.jpg" isn't very obviously derived from "old.jpg". |
| 07:40.29 | no_gravity | themill: my problem is that the script is not executed when i drag something onto it |
| 07:40.48 | no_gravity | the icon of the image is just moved over the icon of the script |
| 07:41.14 | themill | no_gravity: the icon for the script is the script itself or a .desktop file? |
| 07:41.34 | no_gravity | themill: the script itself |
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| 07:42.09 | no_gravity | themill: mybe i try it diffrenty: make the script read from stdin, run it and drag files into the shell... |
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| 07:43.06 | themill | no_gravity: make a .desktop file for your script and in that desktop file, specify that it can accept filenames on the input |
| 07:43.33 | no_gravity | themill: so i need 2 files? the desktop file and the script file? |
| 07:44.33 | themill | if your script is sufficiently simple, it can be embedded within the desktop file. You can also store your script somewhere else like ~/bin/ |
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| 07:45.02 | poncha | hi |
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| 07:45.51 | poncha | i'm having troubles with lshw and dmidecode. machine is a xen vm (on aws) running linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 kernel |
| 07:46.01 | EgonR | Is there an install cd for netinstall with wirelesstools preinstalled? |
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| 07:47.00 | no_gravity | themill: i think i will change course: run the script and make it accept filenames. so i can drop the files onto the shell. |
| 07:47.24 | themill | EgonR: the wheezy installer can install over WPA2; you might need firmware for your hardware in any case so the firmware installer might be useful |
| 07:47.49 | EgonR | i downloaded the iso with the firmwares preinstalled.. (wheezy) |
| 07:48.16 | EgonR | I did not even get a dialogue box in the installer. |
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| 07:49.11 | themill | precisely which image are you using? |
| 07:49.13 | poncha | any alternative means of getting the list of hardware from a box without lshw and dmidecode? (preferably without manually parsing the /proc ;) ) |
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| 07:50.00 | EgonR | ill just redownload |
| 07:50.51 | EgonR | i tried this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 08:03.12 | dizzylizzy | I like Debian |
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| 08:08.04 | thewanderer1 | hello. I'm trying to access PHP5's changelog via this page: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5.html ; however, the Changelog link leads to a 404. any ideas why? |
| 08:08.32 | thewanderer1 | (or rather, where'd all changelogs go?) |
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| 08:09.38 | subthalamus | I'm unable to reinstall grub2 after accidentally installing grub-efi on a just converted to gpt disk |
| 08:10.15 | subthalamus | deb 7 is on partition 2 |
| 08:10.29 | subthalamus | bios boot part is on part 1 |
| 08:10.56 | subthalamus | halp? |
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| 08:12.09 | themill | thewanderer1: packages.d.o which hosts the changelogs is having issues atm (and changelogs from security.d.o were sadly never available anyway) |
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| 08:12.52 | themill | thewanderer1: https://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/04/msg00000.html |
| 08:13.19 | subthalamus | when I try grub-install /dev/sda I get different errors depending on which live-cd I'm booted from |
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| 08:13.41 | subthalamus | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding bios drive |
| 08:13.49 | subthalamus | Path '/boot/grub/' is not readable by GRUB on boot. install impossible. Aborting |
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| 08:14.41 | grog | can i get consoles out of my second videocard? |
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| 08:15.10 | thewanderer1 | themill, ok, then maybe you can help me find what I need. I'm looking for details on this bug fix - when it was fixed, a changelog entry, anything to show to our QSA to dispute a failed PCI-DSS vuln scan: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2006-7243 |
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| 08:16.11 | thewanderer1 | the page does say it's "fixed", but the specific fix is not visible in the changelog on my local install (squeeze + security enabled) |
| 08:16.41 | themill | thewanderer1: the "notes" section for that doesn't sound promising |
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| 08:17.54 | themill | thewanderer1: also, isn't that about file uploads? |
| 08:17.58 | thewanderer1 | looks a bit like "it's fixed, but not really" |
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| 08:18.25 | themill | thewanderer1: #debian-security over on oftc might be able to explain those cryptic runes a little more |
| 08:18.30 | thewanderer1 | themill, as far as I understand, it's about file_exists giving strange (unexpected) results - but, on my system, it does not, hence I'm trying to locate the fix and present it to the QSA |
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| 08:19.37 | thewanderer1 | guess I'll try #debian-security, then |
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| 08:19.56 | themill | thewanderer1: 5.3.3-6 fixes it |
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| 08:20.03 | themill | thewanderer1: exactly as that page describes... |
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| 08:20.39 | thewanderer1 | themill, ah well, then presumably, even though it's not in the change log, I should be able to see the fix in the SVN if I do apt-get source, no? |
| 08:20.50 | themill | thewanderer1: it *is* in the changelog |
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| 08:22.07 | thewanderer1 | themill, aha, I see it now: * Cherry pick complete fix to reject filenames with NULL (CVE requested) |
| 08:22.32 | themill | yeah. grep for CVE Id fails ;( |
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| 08:22.58 | themill | thewanderer1: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-php/php.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/reject-filenames-with-null-r305507.patch;h=befe401b7de14d04906d177a202b4834c5843a1a;hb=befe401b7de14d04906d177a202b4834c5843a1a is the relevant commit, I believe |
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| 08:23.48 | themill | thewanderer1: possibly easier looked at here http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/php5/5.3.3-7+squeeze14 |
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| 08:25.34 | thewanderer1 | themill, thanks, much appreciated! there's a few other issues with PHP that I need to present a patch proof for and I'm sure the page will come in handy ;) |
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| 08:26.19 | themill | yeah |
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| 08:44.27 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, what is /dev/sda? a hard drive on SATA? any specifics? |
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| 08:46.14 | Iridos | they seem to care a lot more about security where you are than here |
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| 08:49.02 | oo_miguel | how can i swtich my keyboard layout temporarily? |
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| 08:52.35 | grog | gently pry each invididual key off, then rearrange them in the desired layout |
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| 08:54.17 | nabblet | hi, in /tec/fstab, can i limit the users who are allowed to mount more specifcally, than with user, which allows all users to mount? |
| 08:54.42 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: /dev/sda is a 250GB sata I believe |
| 08:54.52 | subthalamus | has about 5 partitions |
| 08:55.13 | subthalamus | bios boot + 3 EXT4 parts + swap |
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| 08:56.16 | Supaplex | nabblet: I haven't read "man fstab" in ages, but I'm pretty sure "users" just means they can mount (say vfat), and then they own those files. fuse can offer other functionality. As far as "these users" I'm not sure (maybe it's by group?) |
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| 08:56.36 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I'll happily provide any specifics I can |
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| 08:56.51 | subthalamus | would u like a parted readout or something? |
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| 08:56.54 | subthalamus | gdisk? |
| 08:57.34 | nabblet | Supaplex: hm, i'm not really sure I got my plint accross: I want only user1 to be allowed to mount that entry, but not user2 |
| 08:58.17 | nabblet | Supaplex: i tried as option user1 instead of user1 but that option is not accepted (only root can mout then) |
| 08:59.04 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, yes, a partition printout may clear things up. also, is the drive connected over SATA? or over some adapter, such as USB<>SATA? |
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| 09:00.26 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: it is inside a laptop so directly sata, I'll try to pastebin the layout |
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| 09:03.03 | nabblet | Supaplex: hm, i could try setting owner with uid and gid and then use the owner option to allow only owner |
| 09:03.36 | nabblet | Supaplex: thank you for your input |
| 09:03.54 | Supaplex | nabblet: no problem. =) |
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| 09:07.17 | nabblet | when i use mount, i can set uid and gid but the man pages say, that these values default to "uid and gid of current process" - what does that mean "current porcess"? |
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| 09:13.06 | thewanderer1 | nabblet, the process doing mount(2) or whatever the syscall is - usually the mount binary |
| 09:13.38 | lxsameer | why I get http://dpaste.com/1077696/ at update time? |
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| 09:15.07 | nabblet | thewanderer1: ok thank you |
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| 09:18.32 | thewanderer1 | lxsameer, the mirror could be corrupt temporarily, have you tried a different mirror? such things sometimes happen with Sid repos... |
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| 09:18.57 | lxsameer | thewanderer1: ok thanks i'll try another one |
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| 09:29.42 | JasonWoof | anybody know of something I can run in a terminal that will give me libnotify popups (shelling out to notify-send is fine) when there's new items in an rss feed? I'm on debian unstable |
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| 09:31.16 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: sorry, still working on it, issue after issue... |
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| 09:37.40 | thewanderer1 | JasonWoof, if you're friends with JavaScript, you could try to use this and check for new items using set difference (from set theory) against cached data (sets of IDs, for example): https://github.com/drudge/node-easyrss |
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| 09:39.15 | JasonWoof | thewanderer1: very cool. I like messing with node |
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| 09:50.09 | Kirito | What would cause my /etc/security/limits.conf file to not update? |
| 09:50.11 | amgarching | Hi, All! What is this warning about? /usr/bin/ld: warning: libblas.so.3gf, needed by /usr/lib/libdmumps.so, may conflict with libblas.so.3 I must admit I am somewhat lost in BLAS "DLL-hell". For overall education what is the significance of the "gf" suffix in libblas.so.3gf vs libblas.so.3 or libatlas.so.3gf vslibatlas.so.3, or libblas3gf vs libblas3? |
| 09:50.16 | subthalamus | JasonWoof: kinky |
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| 09:52.42 | Kirito | Really wouldn't restarting a service automaticlaly update the set limits? |
| 09:52.47 | Kirito | I don't understand why this isn't working |
| 09:53.24 | amgarching | usually the files in /etc are read-only by daemons |
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| 09:59.27 | Kirito | Okay I'm actually getting irritated now. |
| 09:59.44 | Kirito | I have limits in /etc/security/limits.conf - They're set properly - They're not applying, even after a waster reboot |
| 09:59.46 | Kirito | Why? |
| 09:59.52 | Kirito | Is there a bug causing Debian to ignore limits.conf? |
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| 10:02.44 | thewanderer1 | Kirito, what service do you mean in particular? |
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| 10:07.58 | amgarching | lenny had libblas-3gf.so, libblas.so.3gf (both virtual) and the real libblas3gf |
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| 10:13.04 | dpkg | MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended to be a backward compatible drop-in replacement. Not in Debian, <ITP> in bug #565308; third-party packages are not supported in #debian. http://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:30.15 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: better late than never? http://paste.debian.net/1061/ |
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| 10:39.30 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, and the problem is... you can't install grub-pc because grub-efi supposedly corrupted the install somehow? |
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| 10:39.50 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: possibly? |
| 10:40.24 | babilen | That disk uses GPT |
| 10:40.39 | thewanderer1 | I can see that |
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| 10:40.48 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: it is possible that I'm not following the correct process to reinstall grub also |
| 10:41.34 | subthalamus | should a particular file system be in the bbp? |
| 10:41.40 | subthalamus | swap seems wrong |
| 10:41.47 | thewanderer1 | first, I think you may need a "BIOS compatibility partition" so that BIOS may find where to boot from via a traditional fallback MBR entry |
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| 10:42.17 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: that is the first one |
| 10:42.30 | thewanderer1 | yes, though it looks small-ish and the type may be wrong |
| 10:42.35 | subthalamus | flag bios_grub |
| 10:43.05 | subthalamus | I made it 1MB because that is recommended everywhere |
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| 10:43.47 | babilen | subthalamus: First and foremost: (no expert in EFI here) That partitioning layout is incompatible with EFI as you are missing a number of needed partitions (the efi system partition and another one whose name escapes me right now) |
| 10:44.08 | subthalamus | babilen: this is not an efi system |
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| 10:44.29 | babilen | subthalamus: Why are you trying to use EFI then? (or GPT) |
| 10:44.44 | babilen | meh, I am obviously missing a lot of the picture here ... pray continue |
| 10:44.46 | thewanderer1 | thinks GPT on BIOS is supposed to work |
| 10:44.59 | subthalamus | correct |
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| 10:45.27 | babilen | "supposed to work" -- but then, how well supported by our tools given that we are beginning to support EFI+GPT in a variety of configurations just now |
| 10:45.50 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, okay, so what you need to do is generally install GRUB on the MBR-emulation partition, i.e. `grub-install /dev/sda` - you mentioned that it fails. how, precisely? |
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| 10:46.19 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: the failure/error depends on my livecd environment |
| 10:46.30 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, what live CDs have you tried? |
| 10:46.56 | babilen | You might want to chroot first ... but /me shuts up now |
| 10:46.57 | babilen | :) |
| 10:47.02 | thewanderer1 | actually, it should *not* depend on the LiveCD, because you want to be chrooted, yeah |
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| 10:47.55 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: ok, so I only tried chroot once but I'm fairly certain I did it wrong |
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| 10:48.23 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, you'll want all relevant filesystems mounted - root, boot, dev, proc and sys |
| 10:48.47 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: can u point me a howto please? |
| 10:48.49 | babilen | dpkg: fixmbr |
| 10:48.50 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 10:48.55 | babilen | dpkg: u |
| 10:48.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:49.33 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, as dpkg said, boot the Debian CD into rescue mode |
| 10:50.15 | subthalamus | trying |
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| 10:50.35 | babilen | or use any other live cd, it doesn't have to be the debian installer |
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| 10:51.28 | subthalamus | yea, I'm already in livecd |
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| 10:52.00 | subthalamus | problem is, those are slightly too generic /dev/whatever /target? |
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| 10:52.44 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus, in your case, that will be /dev/sda[1-9] - you know your partition layout |
| 10:52.48 | subthalamus | /dev/sda2 (root partition)? |
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| 10:53.01 | thewanderer1 | yes, if that's your root partition |
| 10:53.07 | subthalamus | not the bbp |
| 10:54.01 | thewanderer1 | correct - /, not the BIOS boot partition |
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| 10:59.02 | thewanderer1 | let the channel know when you've managed to chroot with all filesystems mounted, I'll go and roll a sandwich... |
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| 11:00.07 | subthalamus | ok, everything seems to have gone well |
| 11:00.20 | subthalamus | but upon reboot, it drops into a grub 1.97 prompt |
| 11:00.30 | subthalamus | wait 0.97 |
| 11:00.32 | subthalamus | ?!? |
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| 11:02.10 | babilen | subthalamus: Which version of grub do you have installed? You probably want grub-pc in the chroot if you want to boot via BIOS |
| 11:02.34 | babilen | subthalamus: Just out of curiosity: But /why/ are you trying to do this? What is wrong with BIOS+MBR ? |
| 11:02.43 | subthalamus | babilen: well, there WAS grub2 |
| 11:02.58 | subthalamus | then grub-efi was installed (stupid) |
| 11:03.12 | babilen | And then you reinstalled grub-pc ? |
| 11:03.19 | subthalamus | no |
| 11:03.25 | babilen | but? |
| 11:03.27 | subthalamus | at least never successfully |
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| 11:04.00 | babilen | Well, you need that if you want to use it |
| 11:04.30 | subthalamus | agreed, I thought that was what the chrooted instructions were supposed to accomplish |
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| 11:05.00 | subthalamus | where did grub 0.97 come from? |
| 11:05.05 | babilen | No, you naturally have to install grub-pc first /before/ you can use it. A simple "apt-get install grub-pc" might be all that is needed. |
| 11:05.10 | subthalamus | is that the grub-efi version? |
| 11:05.23 | babilen | no |
| 11:05.27 | subthalamus | babilen: u mean while chrooted? |
| 11:05.30 | babilen | That is simply grub1 |
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| 11:05.57 | subthalamus | grub1 should never have touched that drive :/ |
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| 11:06.25 | subthalamus | regardless, so I redo the chroot but install grub-pc before the last 2 commands? |
| 11:06.32 | babilen | subthalamus: Please stop torturing me by using "u".. I am also not talking like: "ye u defneatly want to in da chroot. or wud did u think?" |
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| 11:07.27 | subthalamus | babilen: for YOU I'll TRY |
| 11:07.40 | babilen | Much appreciated :) |
| 11:08.08 | subthalamus | please confirm my previous line? |
| 11:09.10 | enyc | domn lost off the scrollback.. i was asking who looks after packages.debian.org because changelogs etc. are broken... http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/ gone empty =( |
| 11:09.52 | babilen | subthalamus: yes, please try to install grub-pc in the chroot |
| 11:10.00 | subthalamus | ok, thanks |
| 11:10.07 | babilen | enyc: yes, that is a known issue |
| 11:10.49 | babilen | enyc: It was probably mentioned/made public on debian-infrastructure-announce or a comparable mailing list |
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| 11:10.59 | enyc | babilen: known to who where? do these go in bugs.debian.org or is that like a separate out of band channel? |
| 11:11.02 | enyc | babilen: kk |
| 11:11.28 | enyc | babilen: debian-infrastructure- etc. aaha thats a useful pointer will look into that / subscribe to that |
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| 11:14.16 | babilen | enyc: <20130410120342.GA25320@anguilla.debian.or.at> is the msg id (you can open http://lists.debian.org/$MSGID -- so http://lists.debian.org/<20130410120342.GA25320@anguilla.debian.or.at> gets you the announcement) |
| 11:14.29 | enyc | babilen: thankyou was just about to say i'v jus got the announcement found it in mailman archives |
| 11:14.34 | enyc | babilen: but you got there before me =) |
| 11:14.40 | enyc | babilen: and now i know about that list, thankyou =) |
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| 11:15.06 | enyc | babilen: and i do understand about not pestering admins etc =) been there done that on the receiving-end =) |
| 11:16.14 | babilen | enyc: You are welcome -- Most information is out in the public when it comes to Debian, its packages, infrastructure, code, security issues, philosohpy, discussions, … It is just sometimes hard to find a particular piece of information if you don't know where/how to look/search for it. |
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| 11:19.10 | enyc | babilen: exactly =) |
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| 11:19.27 | enyc | babilen: my ISP aaisp is like that... there is so much and also out o date information is the favourite problem =) |
| 11:19.41 | babilen | enyc: Would you mind a PM? |
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| 11:29.52 | uosiu | Hi all. I have a problem with Trendnet TK-803R 8-port USB KVM switch. |
| 11:29.52 | shvchk | I have a problem with mounting SSH with Autofs (in Ubuntu, but it should be the same in Debian, right?), can somebody help? "sudo sshfs user@example.com:/ mountpoint" works, but not the same mountpoint in config file (which used to work on 12.10). I have autofs, fuse and sshfs installed, mb I'm missing something. Tried automount -f -v -d -- it gives no error, but remote fs is not mounted =| |
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| 11:31.10 | uosiu | When KVM is connected to ThinkPad R61i (i965 graphics card), but KVM set for another box- xrandr sees monitor at 1024x768, but when KVM is set to ThinkPad - monitor disappears from system |
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| 11:32.37 | thewanderer1 | uosiu, maybe the i915 can only drive one output at a time and the LVDS disappears? (because the signal is now routed via VGA-out?) |
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| 11:34.31 | thewanderer1 | one thing to try would be logging on over SSH and seeing if you can activate the display remotely using xrandr |
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| 11:38.37 | uosiu | thewanderer1: when destination monitor is connected directly to VGA i have desktop expanded to 2 displays. |
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| 11:39.48 | thewanderer1 | okay, that's not it then :P |
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| 11:40.47 | thewanderer1 | seeing any weird messages about EDID in the dmesg? or perhaps in Xorg log? |
| 11:41.08 | thewanderer1 | the KVM's EDID passthrough could be toast |
| 11:41.14 | subthalamus | babilen thewanderer1 thanks for the help; things are back in a semblance of order |
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| 11:41.27 | subthalamus | is 3.2.0-4 really the current testing kernel? |
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| 11:42.47 | babilen | subthalamus: yes, it is |
| 11:43.12 | uosiu | thewanderer1: http://wklej.org/id/1025492/ |
| 11:43.17 | babilen | subthalamus: So, installing grub-pc and then following "fixmbr" did you trick? |
| 11:43.22 | babilen | s/you/the/ |
| 11:43.52 | subthalamus | babilen: now who is using shorthand? |
| 11:44.09 | subthalamus | babilen: more or less, I had to do it 3 times across 3 reboots |
| 11:44.11 | babilen | I don't quite follow :-/ |
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| 11:45.39 | thewanderer1 | uosiu, nah, the answer isn't in there... I'm afraid you'll have to keep looking |
| 11:45.43 | subthalamus | in case you or thewanderer1 are interested, grub seems to have converted the bbp to type EF02 like a big boy |
| 11:46.15 | subthalamus | even though it was type swap before |
| 11:46.45 | subthalamus | thanks for the help guys/gals |
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| 11:47.48 | subthalamus | babilen: off topic, but I'm curious, how do you feel about the swiss bastardized german? |
| 11:48.11 | subthalamus | wait, nevermind, wrong person |
| 11:50.00 | babilen | subthalamus: swiss German is horrible and shouldn't be called "German" -- but #debian-offtopic is the right channel for that discussion |
| 11:50.34 | shvchk | Sorry for asking again, but I have a strange problem with mounting SSH with Autofs (in Ubuntu, but it should be the same in Debian, right?), can somebody help? "sudo sshfs user@example.com:/ mountpoint" works, but not the same mountpoint in config file (which used to work on 12.10). I have autofs, fuse and sshfs installed, mb I'm missing something. Tried automount -f -v -d -- it gives no error, but remote fs is not mounted =| |
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| 11:51.20 | thewanderer1 | shvchk, you really should be asking this in #ubuntu |
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| 11:52.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell shvchk -about based on debian |
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| 11:53.00 | shvchk | thewanderer1, I asked there too. But as Ubuntu is based on Debian, I thought it would be ok to ask here too |
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| 11:53.06 | shvchk | babilen, =) |
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| 11:58.04 | chefk0ch | mathias/quakenet |
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| 12:06.33 | DotHack | i have this dns problem. i have domain a.local (old) and domain b.local (new). Now a want all *.a.local be translated to *.b.local without maintaning 2 zones.. is this possible? |
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| 12:25.51 | NoOova | Hello all! I try to create package with equivs-build |
| 12:26.02 | NoOova | i has empty lines in directive File: |
| 12:26.20 | NoOova | but in result file empty lines is not exists |
| 12:26.23 | NoOova | why? |
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| 12:33.03 | ChrisH | DotHack: I did not undertood your question. What do you mean by translated? |
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| 12:34.12 | DotHack | ChrisH: i have this domain a.local but i do not want to use it anymore. So i setup b.local and i want all whatever.a.local queries to resolve to whatever.b.local |
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| 12:34.47 | Towzzer | bind can do that |
| 12:35.26 | DotHack | Towzzer: how? |
| 12:36.05 | Towzzer | *.photomatt.net. 14400 IN A 64.246.62.114 something like that |
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| 12:40.19 | DotHack | Towzzer: then it will direct *.photomatt.net to that ip thats not what i want |
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| 12:45.13 | Towzzer | ok |
| 12:45.14 | Towzzer | oh |
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| 12:50.10 | DotHack | i see there is a DNAME record type anyone has used this before? |
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| 12:54.58 | redguy | hi, is it safe to interrupt a mdadm --grow ? |
| 12:55.00 | ChrisH | DotHack: DNAME or CNAME? |
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| 12:55.11 | redguy | not sure where to look for help on this |
| 12:55.11 | DotHack | ChrisH: DNAME |
| 12:55.19 | redguy | no #mdadm on freenode |
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| 12:58.25 | blackmirroxx2 | hello does anybody know how to localize my mistake .... mpd and ncmpcpp are running but cannot add any songs to the playlist ? |
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| 12:59.31 | phasma | anyone around good with iptables? What am I missing here? http://hastebin.com/catavemuka.sh |
| 12:59.39 | phasma | keep locking myself out for some reason |
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| 13:01.54 | DotHack | phasma: i think its your sport in the secods ssh rule. i think when the connection gets established it get remppad to another port |
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| 13:02.32 | phasma | DotHack: Ahh, true. I'll go check that... Thanks |
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| 13:03.10 | rossross | hi all |
| 13:03.12 | rossross | anyone use any time management methodologies like GTD to help with workloads in the office |
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| 13:03.49 | rossross | im a frantic systems administrator with too many fires to put out, as well as work on projects, and my mind has gone haywire.. as well as my inbox? |
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| 13:05.17 | DotHack | rossross: try not to have so much fires by monitoring your environment! |
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| 13:06.13 | lapache | Hello, i use xen on lenny with pygrub and nfs supports. I will now update to a fresh wheezy install but i heard about pv-grub. Do you know why 'pv-grub' is not packaged into xen like pygrub. An why xfs still not supported by pygrub ? |
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| 13:06.36 | ChrisH | DotHack: sounds like an option to test for. I never used it myself. |
| 13:06.37 | rossross | lets just say my inbox is alwys filling up and i have 400+ follow up items, on top of my tickets, on top of my projects, and on top of my priorities.. arghhh |
| 13:06.48 | phasma | DotHack: Heh. Well that was silly. It was not that. It was the fact I changed the sshd port and never restarted the ssh server, heh. Thanks, though |
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| 13:06.59 | DotHack | phasma: haha |
| 13:07.06 | rossross | DotHack, any ideas on what i can do? Something I can follow where it understands the lifestyle that we lea |
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| 13:07.28 | aguitel | any way to remove gnome 3 in wheezy ? |
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| 13:08.12 | DotHack | rossross: seems like you need some colleagues... |
| 13:08.27 | rossross | hah |
| 13:08.51 | aguitel | in squeeze to do this i type : aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2 ,but in wheezy ? |
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| 13:10.19 | DotHack | rossross: we used to have this problem. with 2 sysadmins.. now were with 6 and 1ste 2th an 3th level escalation helps me getting my stuff done and only working on stuff that i need to work oon |
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| 13:11.02 | rossross | i seem to be doing 2nd and 3rd level support , and sometimes field the basic level 1 requests |
| 13:11.09 | rossross | but i just cant keep track of it all |
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| 13:13.27 | DotHack | rossross: a person can only do so much remember that.. if you start losing track you can do some GTD stuff but in the end work will pile up |
| 13:14.21 | rossross | yeah im trying to incorporate something like GTD, but also be nice about submitting requests to the helpdesk or push back request from more senior staff, manager |
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| 13:16.13 | stojic | aguitel: There are some instructions on purging gnome here: http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xfce_in_an_already_installed_system . They work on Wheezy but they remove a lot of packages so care is needed with them. |
| 13:17.06 | stojic | aguitel: Also, I just installed Wheezy a few days ago after not using Debian for a long time so take this with a grain of salt ;-). |
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| 13:20.00 | aguitel | stojic, thanks |
| 13:20.04 | superlinux-hp | dpkg, help |
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| 13:36.54 | blackmirroxx2 | is there anybody comfortable with mpd versus ncmpcpp ? |
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| 13:41.22 | invariant | Does anyone know how to manage mandb such that I can install every package in a different directory and at the same time not go over the limits of man for the MANPATH *and* have mandb automatically index these directories *and* do all of this as a non-root user?It's a mouthful, but that's what I ideally want. If you know some solution, please tell me or suggest the ways in which you manage these things. |
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| 13:43.15 | themill | what does "install every package in a different directory" mean? |
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| 13:51.25 | Nik05 | themill every package in a different root? :P |
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| 13:56.57 | ChrisH | at it does not sound like the debian way |
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| 13:58.43 | ChrisH | s/ it/least it |
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| 14:02.44 | invariant | themill, non-Debian packages installed from source into a directory like /home/foo/bar/packagename1, etc. |
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| 14:03.49 | themill | And you're making enough of them to be a problem? in both Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 14:04.39 | invariant | themill, yes |
| 14:04.48 | themill | You're doing it wrong™? |
| 14:04.49 | invariant | themill, my MANPATH contains too many entries. |
| 14:05.11 | invariant | themill, everything over 32 already seems to be too much. |
| 14:05.23 | invariant | themill, the default source is 128. |
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| 14:05.40 | invariant | themill, so, I am not sure who compiled it like that, but even then, why not use 1000? |
| 14:05.53 | invariant | themill, but I am open to suggestions. |
| 14:06.00 | invariant | themill, saying I am doing it wrong is not a suggestion. |
| 14:06.01 | themill | how about "don't do that"? |
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| 14:06.29 | KerrMd | Anyone have a tip as to why my touchpad is identified as a PS/2 3 button mouse in a fresh Wheezy install? |
| 14:06.30 | invariant | themill, so, are you saying that I specified too many conditions for any solution to exist? |
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| 14:06.47 | invariant | themill, it's clearly useful to be able to easily remove a package and still have all manpages working. |
| 14:07.10 | themill | invariant: why are you not using debian packages? why are you not making debian packages for things that are needed? why are you not using existing solutions like stow to manage the system where you can't use debian packages? |
| 14:07.18 | invariant | themill, because they are too old. |
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| 14:07.33 | themill | invariant: really? and they can't possibly be recompiled? |
| 14:07.45 | invariant | themill, I have read about stow. |
| 14:07.56 | basiclas_ | hey guys, what are your laptop models? |
| 14:07.58 | themill | and this problem exists on both debian *and* ubuntu too... too old, heh |
| 14:08.00 | invariant | themill, does that already work for manpages automatically? |
| 14:08.06 | themill | invariant: have you tried it? |
| 14:08.19 | thewanderer1 | KerrMd, touchpads have absolute coordinates, mouses operate on movement speeds. if the underlying hardware happens to report relative positions instead of absolute, it's a mouse, not a touchpad ;) |
| 14:08.42 | invariant | themill, no. Do you you know whether it works? |
| 14:08.51 | themill | I have no use for it |
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| 14:09.14 | KerrMd | thewanderer1: None the less, the fact that it is seen as a mouse and not a touchpad is taking away some of the functionality which I need|want. |
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| 14:10.31 | KerrMd | thewanderer1: Sorry, I missed the ;) and thus the fact that it was a ribbing. =D |
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| 14:11.31 | thewanderer1 | KerrMd, seriously though, some manufacturers actually put mouses that look like touchpads but operate in "mouse-mode" into laptops... maybe there's a secret spell that Windows uses to "unlock" the inner touchpad in them, or maybe they just emulate what is needed... |
| 14:12.08 | KerrMd | It's actually an ALPS touchpad on an Inspiron 7720. (17R SE). |
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| 14:13.13 | thewanderer1 | the name rings a bell, yeah... I don't think I've managed to get an ALPS to behave as of yet |
| 14:13.15 | KerrMd | I have this nagging feeling that it is a missing driver |
| 14:13.29 | thewanderer1 | well, you could try a newer kernel |
| 14:13.34 | KerrMd | I've seen it done, or at least its effect. |
| 14:13.51 | thewanderer1 | though on 3.2 those machines didn't make a difference for me the last time I tried |
| 14:13.54 | cityLights | how can I run a new X session using ssh , then use it? |
| 14:13.57 | KerrMd | I'm running 3.2.0-4-amd64 right now |
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| 14:14.23 | cityLights | startx -- :1 doesn't load any window maker as gnome |
| 14:14.25 | KerrMd | Are there any closer to say 3.5 or would I have to complile my own?=( |
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| 14:16.20 | thewanderer1 | KerrMd, you can use kernel-package to build the vanilla sources from kernel.org into proper Debian packages, but I don't think that proper ALPS support (i.e. real touchpad mode) is mainline |
| 14:16.57 | KerrMd | Hmm, before going to that extreme I may have found something on the 5720 on <shudder> askubuntu.com |
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| 14:17.44 | thewanderer1 | right... exercise care when dealing with Ubuntu kernel modules |
| 14:18.01 | KerrMd | Indeed. In dealing with ANYTHING ubuntu |
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| 14:19.22 | KerrMd | One bonus, it appears to be soure... |
| 14:19.28 | KerrMd | source* |
| 14:19.33 | thewanderer1 | you might want to try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#ALPS_Touchpads -- Arch Wiki usually has good general advice, if sometimes in need of adjusting for a given distro |
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| 14:20.15 | thewanderer1 | maybe poking it and telling to use the synaptic drivers is enough. if that fails, proceed with the weird out-of-tree driver at your own peril... |
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| 14:20.55 | KerrMd | I tried that in the past and it did no good. I think that I ended up spitting a module in the mix |
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| 14:21.23 | thewanderer1 | see << Touchpad detected as "PS/2 Generic Mouse" or "Logitech PS/2 mouse" >> on the wiki page linked above, that could just be it |
| 14:21.42 | KerrMd | I'm cruising it now, thanks |
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| 14:22.30 | KerrMd | hmm.. Just on the off chance I tried a "synaptics -l" booth as su - and user. IT appears that it is not installed |
| 14:23.21 | thewanderer1 | sure it's not `synclient -l` ? |
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| 14:23.40 | KerrMd | doh... I think I need sleep. lol |
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| 14:24.07 | KerrMd | yep, it;s there. WIll have to hit this in the morning. Thanks for the pointers |
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| 14:40.42 | ThePapa | hey guys |
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| 14:48.01 | anew | the file i think i have that is for the site, they are the exact same contents in sites-available and sites-enabled, is this proper ? |
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| 14:57.49 | abrotman | anew: they should be symlinks |
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| 15:05.27 | acu | hello guys _ I run a wheezy on a am64 8 core and everything is fine, except somehow my mouse and keyboard do not respond - no light on mouse or keyboard, the system is still on as I can accesss it through ssh, but the local keyboard is powereless, I need to physically reboot, why is that ? can anyone advise |
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| 15:07.53 | anew | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7da8eb84cbb2b551f0b1 so the first one removes all index.php from urls. it works. but when i add the last 2 lines, this is supposed to make uppercase 301 to lowercase. the problem is if i write site.com/Segment it 301s to site.com/index.php/segment. it should do site.com/Segment -> site.com/segment |
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| 15:08.56 | babilen | anew: Don't you think that #httpd would be a better channel? |
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| 15:09.12 | anew | i thought maybe someone can help in here |
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| 15:10.02 | babilen | anew: I simply wanted to point you to the proper channel to discuss this topic |
| 15:10.24 | anew | ok i am more comfortable in this channel, but if no one knows the answer i can try there |
| 15:10.47 | abrotman | would definitely ask #httpd |
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| 15:17.25 | stojic | acu: My USB keyboard seems to reconnect once a day or so (/var/log/kern.log says "hub 1-1:1.0: port 3 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling..."), so it might be a similar issue. For now I tried reconnecting all my USB cables to see if it helps. Maybe your issue is similar? |
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| 15:17.56 | acu | stojic, perhaps is the same, how do you solve it ? |
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| 15:18.35 | acu | it is absolutely anoying, this is a server, though I access it through ssh most of the time, sometimes I want to use directly the keyboard connected to it |
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| 15:19.37 | acu | stojic, it has to be either in bios/UEFI or in debian, some settings of some bugs :) however is anoying not to have a keyboard |
| 15:19.41 | stojic | acu: I don't know if I solved it, because it happens rarely and the keyboard reconnects (goes off and on) and the only thing I notice is that my keypress repeat speed is reset. You could try searching in your /var/log/kern.log for a similar log entry. |
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| 15:20.08 | stojic | acu: this is Wheezy btw. |
| 15:21.02 | acu | yes, I use wheezy too |
| 15:21.46 | stojic | acu: not sure how to solve, but if you have the same problem an it really stems from EMI (electromagnetic interference), then you could try reconnecting and rerouting your cables a bit. |
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| 15:25.57 | stojic | If it's EMI, I guess it would also cause some problems in other operating systems, though. |
| 15:26.12 | eldereko | i cant get port redirection in iptables to work... ive enabled ip_forward and added: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080 ...but still does not work? |
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| 15:26.58 | eldereko | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 15:28.27 | acu | stojic: that's brilliant! why did I not think of it, it is possible, there are too many cables tangled |
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| 15:29.15 | stojic | acu: Do you have lines like this in your /var/log/kern.log file? |
| 15:29.18 | stojic | Apr 29 03:34:25 beth kernel: [36534.720248] hub 1-1:1.0: port 3 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling... |
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| 15:29.33 | acu | leme see |
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| 15:33.55 | stojic | I also have several cables in close proximity, some of them were touching the wireless antenna, and usb ports are very close to the power supply. Also sometimes my foot catches the keyboard cable :D. |
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| 15:36.59 | acu | stojic: no, I did not get that message, however I will see, change the keyboard or something, though I do not think is the keyboard because the mouse does not work either |
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| 15:39.01 | andreas_ | hi all |
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| 15:45.14 | philux | Hey All! Does anyone have gnome 3.8 running on Sid yet? |
| 15:45.53 | babilen | philux: I doubt it given http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html |
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| 15:51.54 | andreas_ | hi guys is there a way to take a screenshot without having a gui ? |
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| 15:54.20 | zwick | andreas: if X is running, you can do |
| 15:54.32 | zwick | andreas_: xwd | convert - screenshot.png |
| 15:54.51 | zwick | andreas_: assuming that you have xwd and imagemagick installed |
| 15:54.54 | zwick | and X is running. |
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| 15:56.36 | andreas_ | thx zwick but i really thought about doing it without X |
| 15:56.59 | zwick | andreas_: I am not sure if you are just in a TTY terminal |
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| 15:57.57 | zwick | andreas_: you might try messaging dpkg with !paste |
| 15:58.09 | philux | Can anyone help me understand this? If I am running of the repo for unstable (sid) and I do an apt-get dist-upgrade, then why when i pull up my version (cat /etc/debian_version) number still says 7.0 wheezy? |
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| 15:58.19 | Iridos | andreas_, a screenshot of WHAT if there's no X |
| 15:58.29 | andreas_ | ok found out how to do is |
| 15:58.30 | zwick | andreas_: and then doing the same with !pastebinit , !nopaste, and/or !wgetpaste |
| 15:58.31 | andreas_ | it |
| 15:58.32 | andreas_ | sry |
| 15:58.33 | EgonR | How do i stop debian netinstall from thinking my computer has an EFI? |
| 15:58.33 | andreas_ | :) |
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| 15:59.04 | zwick | Iridos: I would assume he means a screenshot of a tty terminal |
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| 15:59.50 | andreas_ | u can cat /dev/vcsX > screenshot.txt so he takes the text of the actual screen to a file which in fact is a screenshot |
| 16:00.36 | andreas_ | or at least thats how i handle it :) |
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| 16:01.54 | andreas_ | thank u anyway guys :) |
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| 16:03.31 | phasma | iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp -m tcp --syn -m recent --name synflood --set |
| 16:03.40 | phasma | anybody know why that's not working, please? |
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| 16:04.30 | thebananafish | does anyone know how I can setup mumble-django via nginx |
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| 16:04.59 | thebananafish | or anyd ocumentation to do so? I don't really want to run apache just for it |
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| 16:07.10 | regular | After I updated the X server I lost the ability to run GL-based applications. Is it because I've installed the Nvidia drivers directly from their installer? |
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| 16:08.02 | mumpitzel | regular: yes |
| 16:08.53 | andreas_ | regular installing nvidia drivers from their installer can cause a variety of errors and misbehaviour to your system and that could possibly be one of them |
| 16:09.19 | regular | That's swell, because I'm using the 3.2.0.0 pae kernel installed on Squeeze from backports. |
| 16:09.58 | regular | Or can I install the drivers from the Squeeze repos while using this kernel? |
| 16:11.01 | andreas_ | what does kernel documentary or nvidia documentary say about it ? |
| 16:11.31 | andreas_ | compatibility has to be mentioned somewhere |
| 16:11.46 | regular | repos state that the drivers are for 2.6 kernel |
| 16:11.59 | regular | I've also tried DKMS, but without success |
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| 16:13.15 | regular | DKMS gave errors, I don't remember what were these now |
| 16:13.57 | EgonR | where can i get a debian wheezy netinstall image without EFI support? |
| 16:14.41 | andreas_ | ok regular i just had to do some reading but as it seems deb repo is not fully compatible nore nvidia is with kernel 3.2 |
| 16:14.58 | andreas_ | u might just have to go wit a lower release |
| 16:15.07 | andreas_ | or just give it a try |
| 16:16.19 | andreas_ | hope u saved your xorg.conf somewhere |
| 16:16.20 | andreas_ | ;) |
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| 16:16.36 | regular | I had some problems with the audio system on the lower release. I think I'll have to go for the distro update |
| 16:16.47 | regular | There are matching kernel modules, but they are for Wheezy |
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| 16:17.17 | andreas_ | that could be a chance too |
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| 16:17.31 | mumpitzel | regular: why not use the drivers from wheezy? |
| 16:17.41 | regular | They are not in backports yet. |
| 16:17.45 | mumpitzel | and? |
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| 16:18.09 | regular | Can I just add the Wheezy repos and install directly from them? |
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| 16:18.18 | regular | *to sources.list |
| 16:18.20 | ZekeS | huh? |
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| 16:18.31 | Raydiation | is v1.0~beta1 a correct version? |
| 16:18.55 | andreas_ | what kernel release comes with wheezy , could that have an influence on the installation ? |
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| 16:19.23 | regular | Wheezy uses 3.2.0 kernel, the same I installed from backports I guess. |
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| 16:19.58 | Raydiation | or should i go with: 1.0-beta1 |
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| 16:20.26 | Raydiation | is there anything to read up on this? |
| 16:20.36 | Raydiation | i know debian has some specific rules for versioning |
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| 16:20.58 | philux | Has anyone had any luck running Gnome 3.8 from the experimental repo? |
| 16:21.13 | regular | Ok, when I've some spare time I'll just back up my files and take my chance with distro update. |
| 16:21.18 | mumpitzel | regular: you can but you shouldn't |
| 16:21.22 | regular | ? |
| 16:21.33 | mumpitzel | regular: answer to < regular> Can I just add the Wheezy repos and install directly from them? |
| 16:21.56 | regular | I thought it's not possible. |
| 16:22.00 | andreas_ | well sry im out, because im not so familiar with nvidia versioning and update repos and how it works together with needed libraries from different major/minor releases |
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| 16:22.47 | andreas_ | dont want u to get stuck in the middle of nowhere with your nvidia drivers :) probably the distro update is the way to go |
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| 16:23.29 | regular | When I first installed Debian on my machine it was Lenny. Squeeze was only weeks shy from becoming stable. |
| 16:23.39 | regular | When I ran dist-upgrade that is. |
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| 16:25.10 | regular | Anyway, thanks. All my suspicions confirmed, unfortunately. |
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| 16:25.26 | andreas_ | you are welcome ! |
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| 16:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | I think the nVidia drivers are tied to a specific kernel until you install them, then they link to whatever kernel you have. |
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| 16:26.32 | ovlaf | is there official documentation for creating a persistent Debian live USB key? |
| 16:26.43 | jhutchins_wk | s/are/are not/ |
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| 16:27.01 | jhutchins_wk | ovlaf: Don't know how "official" |
| 16:27.20 | ovlaf | jhutchins_wk: on any official Debian website/wiki/etc. |
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| 16:29.06 | jhutchins_wk | ovlaf: There's some stuff on the forums, but I think this is probably good: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
| 16:29.15 | jhutchins_wk | !live |
| 16:29.15 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 16:30.30 | ovlaf | jhutchins_wk: thanks, I'll ask at #debian-live |
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| 16:31.54 | unkmar | ovlaf: I have never had any luck creating a persistent debian live USB without, flat out installing to the USB through the standar install process. :( |
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| 16:32.32 | unkmar | ovlaf: and even that was troublesome. corrupting my mbr of the machine I used to install. |
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| 16:36.36 | ovlaf | unkmar: that's encouraging news... |
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| 16:39.09 | ovlaf | unkmar: looks like it should not be that troublesome these days http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#529 |
| 16:40.35 | unkmar | ovlaf: I know it *shouldn't* be. and well, I've tried most recently less than a month ago. |
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| 16:44.24 | unkmar | What does this do? http://pastebin.com/mRqewRWW |
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| 17:01.43 | jhutchins_wk | Brings up the "Blocked URL" page. |
| 17:02.08 | jhutchins_wk | pastebin.com is blocked by one of the big content filters. |
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| 17:03.41 | Iridos | not here |
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| 17:04.56 | jhutchins_wk | Clearly you're on a different filter - no big surprize there. |
| 17:05.02 | somiaj | it is some ugly sed line that is then sorted and duplicates taken out |
| 17:05.06 | somiaj | I dodn't try to read the sed line...(: |
| 17:05.14 | Iridos | unkmar, stuff |
| 17:05.29 | Iridos | it's what we generally call "write-only code" |
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| 17:05.42 | symhedonia | ello - got a fresh debian install. do i need to install gcc by hand or am i just not seeing it ? |
| 17:05.44 | Iridos | regexps often are :) |
| 17:05.47 | symhedonia | by hand/apt-get |
| 17:05.54 | smw | Is there any way to force an application to use a different nic than the rest of the system? |
| 17:06.13 | Iridos | symhedonia, you probably want apt-get install build-essentials |
| 17:06.23 | symhedonia | rgr |
| 17:06.29 | Iridos | ops, build-essential |
| 17:06.51 | Iridos | dpkg, tell symhedonia about build-essential |
| 17:06.57 | jhutchins_wk | smw: Only if the application provides a method. |
| 17:06.58 | Iridos | hm... seen better factoids |
| 17:07.17 | smw | jhutchins_wk, there is no external way to do it? |
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| 17:07.32 | unkmar | 557e57ffde |
| 17:07.35 | jhutchins_wk | smw: You can do it by IP range, but no. |
| 17:07.37 | unkmar | ugh. |
| 17:07.51 | smw | jhutchins_wk, by ip range? |
| 17:08.10 | smw | jhutchins_wk, can I forbid use of interfaces based on user? |
| 17:08.18 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, if all traffic to/from that service is 172.30.61.0 then you can route that network through a specific interface. |
| 17:08.31 | jhutchins_wk | smw: No. |
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| 17:08.38 | smw | jhutchins_wk, ok, thanks for the help |
| 17:08.41 | somiaj | symhedonia: gcc is not installed by default. Youc an install just that. Some suggest 'build-essential' package -- though it will install gcc and aditional stuff for building debian packages as well |
| 17:08.52 | jhutchins_wk | smw: Users don't use interfaces, they use addresses. |
| 17:09.08 | Walex | smw: actually ues, but only outgoing. Incoming there is no idea who the user was at the source. |
| 17:10.03 | symhedonia | somiaj: rgr |
| 17:10.26 | symhedonia | Iridos: thank you |
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| 17:11.07 | jhutchins_wk | Walex: Ah, true, iptables allows -owner --uid and --gid |
| 17:12.10 | Iridos | symhedonia, essentially installs things very commonly used for building stuff, including gcc, make and the headers for libc. " apt-cache show build-essential " for details |
| 17:12.20 | jhutchins_wk | So I guess by having a process run as a specific user you could control which interface it used, but since users can't open lower ports... |
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| 17:12.44 | jhutchins_wk | build-essentials also installs the kitchen sink. |
| 17:13.11 | Iridos | can I drain lettuce with it? |
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| 17:14.54 | symhedonia | Iridos: aye, i was used to using ubuntu and expected such things to be default. i am learning debian is different |
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| 17:15.46 | somiaj | symhedonia: depends on what you call 'default' |
| 17:16.19 | somiaj | symhedonia: by default debian only installs every package of priority 'standard' or higher, after that it then runs tasksel or asks the admin to install the additional software they need |
| 17:16.39 | somiaj | symhedonia: but when you install debian when you go though tasksel there is an option that will include a build enviorment |
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| 17:19.34 | Iridos | somiaj, just thought I'd answer, but I see I got nothing to add :) |
| 17:19.52 | somiaj | Iridos: I talk to much. |
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| 17:21.18 | symhedonia | somiaj: in my confusion i probably didn't see that - after i just chose a graphical env. and SSH. |
| 17:21.29 | symhedonia | it restarted, and that was it - it booted up |
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| 17:21.56 | somiaj | symhedonia: yea debian doesn't assume you want a build envoiroment. You got what you asked for....(: |
| 17:22.12 | somiaj | symhedonia: luckly due to meta packages, it is usually easy to install what you want after |
| 17:22.23 | somiaj | symhedonia: you can also rerun 'tasksel' at anytime and reselect thigns |
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| 17:22.54 | symhedonia | somiaj: cool :} right now i just was want to get zfs going. it's hard to be a noob these days |
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| 17:24.59 | smw | jhutchins_wk, I found http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/block-outgoing-network-access-for-a-single-user-from-my-server-using-iptables.html . Any reason I would not be able to expand that to redirect to another nic? |
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| 17:28.02 | unkmar | Iridos: somiaj: For enquiring minds. It takes a file as an argument. Kind of expects a text file or possibly markup such as xml, html, maybe rtf. |
| 17:29.44 | aguitel | how manage ufw from systemsettings in kde ? |
| 17:29.46 | somiaj | unkmar: yea I don't like reading sed/perl/regex as it isn't human readable to me with out looking very closely. I got that it took a file, did some regex to it, sorted it and then removed duplicate lines. |
| 17:30.00 | unkmar | somiaj: Iridos: from there, the idea is to cull out ONLY email addresses. so anything that it doesn't consider a possible valid email address is turned into a new line. Then it removes all those that start or end with @. |
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| 17:31.29 | unkmar | the end result should be a list of unique email addresses. |
| 17:32.15 | smw | Are groups bound to user? Is it possible to set the group id of a program as you start it? |
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| 17:33.34 | somiaj | smw: If I recally correctly uid and default gid come from the shell the program is run in. So yes if you are root (or have root privlages) you can set a shell with the uid/gid you want and then run the program with that |
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| 17:33.59 | somiaj | the most common use is to set the uid of a process not the gid, any reason why you need to only set the gid? |
| 17:34.03 | smw | somiaj, yeah, that is what I was thinking. Any idea how to do that? |
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| 17:34.21 | somiaj | smw: su allows you to do that |
| 17:34.28 | smw | somiaj, setting the uid will make things rough for me :-) |
| 17:34.31 | somiaj | I would think, again I only use it for uid, not gid |
| 17:34.58 | smw | somiaj, I want files created to be controlled by the same user. However, I want a group id I can single out in iptables |
| 17:35.21 | smw | somiaj, is that a good reason? :-) |
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| 17:37.06 | ragnul | does no one else suffer segfaults from every app that uses gtk? |
| 17:37.08 | somiaj | smw: I actually don't see an easy way to do this. su -c "command" username runs as a paticular user, and there is an ENV VAR you can set to add that user to additional groups, but I don't see a way to change the default gid of the process |
| 17:37.21 | somiaj | ragnul: segfaults are usually a bad thing. What version of debian? |
| 17:37.25 | ragnul | somiaj: testing |
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| 17:37.36 | jhutchins_wk | ragnul: gtk has been in use for many years, so generally no. |
| 17:37.38 | ragnul | somiaj: it's in libfontconfig |
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| 17:38.22 | ragnul | I suspect it's a bad font but I have no idea where to look to find the font name in the backtrace |
| 17:38.26 | somiaj | ragnul: wheezy runs fine for me, and I would imangine if gtk aps were segfaulting all the time it would be an rc bug which it is not |
| 17:38.33 | somiaj | ragnul: it might be something with your paticulra setup |
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| 17:38.57 | ragnul | it comes and goes every couple weeks it seems |
| 17:39.18 | ragnul | firefox actually crashes right when I click anywhere in it |
| 17:39.44 | ragnul | chromium doesn't even start up |
| 17:40.10 | ragnul | what's the right way to debug firefox and chromium? |
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| 17:40.43 | ragnul | (sorry, I mean iceweasel, of course ;) ) |
| 17:41.39 | ragnul | hmm, does kde use fontconfig? maybe I should install konq or whatever it is |
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| 17:42.33 | ragnul | ugh, looks like it's in the deps. |
| 17:43.01 | somiaj | ragnul: if you are getting lots of segfaults from wheezy it could be bad memory/hardware or bad drivers |
| 17:43.22 | ragnul | somiaj: no, it's all in one specific spot with one specific library |
| 17:43.25 | somiaj | ragnul: or it could be you have mixd and matched different versions of stuff. H aveyou installed anything from unstable, have you installed any unoffical debs |
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| 17:43.49 | ragnul | somiaj: only that debian multimedia stuff |
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| 17:44.14 | somiaj | that could do it |
| 17:44.16 | ragnul | somiaj: but that doesn't replace any of the libs used by every single gtk app |
| 17:44.17 | smw | somiaj, just found the setuid command :-) |
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| 17:44.33 | ragnul | somiaj: how could applications screw up fontconfig? |
| 17:45.09 | somiaj | ragnul: getting segfaults in wheezy again will either be cause of bad hardware or mixing and matching packages from sources outside of wheezy causing conflicts |
| 17:45.44 | somiaj | ragnul: at least for the most part. It could be you have found some rare bug, but my guess is something is mixed wrong. debugging is sometimes difficult. I really have no suggestions at this time |
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| 17:45.52 | ragnul | somiaj: bad hardware would be far more random than this |
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| 17:46.44 | ragnul | somiaj: the segfault is in the same lib in every app I've been able to debug, often in the same function |
| 17:47.04 | somiaj | smw: talking about the command from the package 'super' -- yea new to me, I only knew of the C function setuid() |
| 17:47.19 | somiaj | ragnul: have you tried to reinstall the lib, used debsums to make sure it is not corrupt? |
| 17:47.22 | ragnul | somiaj: uxterm is behaving fine |
| 17:47.25 | smw | somiaj, yeah, I also figured out how to do it in sudo |
| 17:47.29 | ragnul | somiaj: yes, I've reinstalled it |
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| 17:47.54 | somiaj | smw: oh cool, yea I should have looked there too, but I only looked at su....surprised it didn't allow it |
| 17:48.10 | smw | somiaj, but it looks like I can use setuid from /etc/defaults while I can't do that with sudo |
| 17:48.43 | smw | somiaj, If I can figure out how to make it work with gids, I can have it act on $$ |
| 17:49.40 | somiaj | smw: cool, I am just a hobbiest/hack so take any advise from me with a grain of salt. One suggestion I have is restate your actual goal (not what you are trying to do right now). There may be a more common/easier way to achive what you want that one of the more knowledge helpers in here can suggest |
| 17:50.10 | smw | somiaj, I already asked and was told flat out it was not possible. I disagree :-) |
| 17:50.20 | somiaj | smw: I missed that, what was your question again |
| 17:50.33 | smw | somiaj, my goal is to have one program use a different NIC for all outgoing connections |
| 17:50.41 | ragnul | smw: you're trying to run a serice under a separate gid? |
| 17:50.45 | smw | different from system default I mean. |
| 17:50.56 | ragnul | smw: you can kind of use packetfilter to do that, I think, but it's not easy |
| 17:50.58 | smw | ragnul, pretty much |
| 17:51.12 | smw | ragnul, apparently iptables can filter on uid/gid |
| 17:51.23 | ragnul | smw: bind it to a different IP address |
| 17:51.28 | smw | ragnul, so I figure I can change the program's gid without too much headache |
| 17:51.40 | smw | ragnul, this is for outgoing, not incoming |
| 17:51.42 | somiaj | ragnul: there are debugging tools (I don't know how to use them really) that you can use to run your binary and you can figure out exactly what libary is being called that is causing the segfault. |
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| 17:51.49 | smw | ragnul, and it doesn't have that option |
| 17:51.51 | ragnul | smw: yes, tell it to use a different IP address |
| 17:52.00 | smw | ragnul, what? |
| 17:52.06 | ragnul | smw: well, I woldn't suggest changing the gid... could make a mess of other things |
| 17:52.21 | ragnul | somiaj: I know which lib is doing it... I want to know what that means :) |
| 17:52.29 | smw | ragnul, with what I know of the program, changing the gid is perfectly safe |
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| 17:52.59 | somiaj | ragnul: are you sure it is the lib you think it is, and not some lib that lib depends on? |
| 17:53.41 | ragnul | somiaj: well, that's why I'm asking... |
| 17:53.52 | ragnul | somiaj: but if that's the case, then glibc is b0rked :) |
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| 17:54.25 | somiaj | ragnul: I would build a wheezy only chroot (with no additional multimedia packages) |
| 17:54.37 | somiaj | ragnul: and thest there, make sure it is not something to do with your mixxing |
| 17:54.54 | somiaj | ragnul: also what is the output of dpkg -l | grep libc6 (what version are you running) |
| 17:55.14 | ragnul | somiaj: 2.13-38 |
| 17:55.16 | somiaj | ragnul: if it is not hardware, it seems to me you have some strange mix that isn't working together |
| 17:55.25 | ragnul | oops, one sec |
| 17:55.42 | ragnul | sorry, yeah, that's the version I'm using |
| 17:56.00 | somiaj | ragnul: you could also try to file a bug on the BTS. But again you will want a plain wheezy intall with nothing additional for testing |
| 17:56.01 | ragnul | hardware wouldn't be a predictable failure in the same lib in a variety of apps |
| 17:56.30 | aguitel | how manage ufw from systemsettings in kde ? |
| 17:56.39 | ragnul | I have a feeling that it's some font I've installed, but don't know where to find out which font it's processing in the backtrace |
| 17:56.53 | somiaj | hardware is hard to say, sometimes the hardware just bugs out on a paticular calcuation that only that lib is doing on your system. memory is more random, but some hardware bugs are very repeatble |
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| 17:57.31 | somiaj | ragnul: that is why I suggest you make a minimial wheezy install with out additional fonts and the likes, and check it runs ther eon your hardware, after that you can start adding thigns until you find which font/additional package breaks it |
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| 18:04.15 | smw | somiaj, hah, I am an idiot |
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| 18:04.52 | smw | somiaj, the program uses start-stop-daemon --chuid. All I need to do is set USER to user:group in the /etc/default |
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| 18:05.35 | smw | somiaj, ok, now I can get to the fun stuff of figuring out how the hell ip routing based on gid works :-) |
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| 18:12.57 | jhutchins_wk | smw: iptables. Make sure you don't have a "listen" or "use Interface" directive though. |
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| 18:13.24 | smw | jhutchins_wk, the program listens on all interfaces |
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| 18:13.35 | smw | jhutchins_wk, the goal here is to mess with outgoing connections |
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| 18:18.14 | smw | jhutchins_wk, just checking. IP routing is only applied to new connections, right? |
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| 18:18.37 | smw | jhutchins_wk, if I have an incoming connection, will it start routing my packets over the wrong interface? |
| 18:19.29 | jhutchins_wk | smw: That's "established". iptables, not traditional routing. |
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| 18:21.08 | smw | jhutchins_wk, it doesn't looke like iptables does what I want. I can mark in iptables and then use route, but I am afraid this will cause incoming connections from other NICs to fail |
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| 18:26.09 | hustcalm | hello there, just looking for some luck to find sponsors for a package named mlpack, a pack for Machine Learning |
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| 18:30.26 | babilen | hustcalm: For a Debian package you created? |
| 18:30.55 | hustcalm | babilen: yes, actually from mlpack team:-) |
| 18:31.12 | babilen | hustcalm: And you want to maintain that in Debian? |
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| 18:31.33 | hustcalm | babilen: yes, exactly |
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| 18:32.12 | babilen | hustcalm: Take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660925 -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674592 |
| 18:32.31 | hustcalm | babilen: ok, will see it now |
| 18:33.04 | kaneda^ | hey all, i'm not sure if this is a gnome3 issue or a debian issue, but i have a file in /etc/xdg/autostart, and when i start i can see it in my gnome-session-properties, and yet it does not seem to start |
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| 18:33.37 | babilen | hustcalm: I am not entirely sure what happened to that package though or why it was removed. Either way, I would recommend to take a look at http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers and I would also recommend to maintain that package within a team. |
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| 18:34.28 | babilen | hustcalm: In particular the http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience team comes to mind. |
| 18:34.31 | hustcalm | babilen: ok, thx, I will dig into it. |
| 18:34.42 | hustcalm | babilen: cool:-) |
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| 18:36.17 | babilen | hustcalm: Given that the ITP is "owned" by "sterling pete" you might want to contact him and bart about this package. Not sure what happened there, but it might be that sterling simply lost interest and that bart closed the RFS because the package has been removed. |
| 18:36.50 | babilen | hustcalm: We also have a channel for sponsoring/packaging questions over at irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) called #debian-mentors |
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| 18:39.58 | hustcalm | babilen: thx for your info. |
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| 18:55.36 | htor | is it difficult to setup gnome3 in debian |
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| 18:56.04 | ompaul | it's there by default in the default desktop install |
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| 18:56.26 | htor | in debian squeeze install i got gnome2 |
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| 18:56.44 | ompaul | htor: wheezy which will be released has it |
| 18:56.46 | Vicissitude | I'd like gnome3 better if I could find out how to change the top panel back to white from black |
| 18:57.06 | htor | ompaul: ok, so i need wheezy to run it? |
| 18:57.15 | ompaul | htor: it would be better |
| 18:57.26 | ompaul | htor: things would match each |
| 18:57.28 | ompaul | other |
| 18:57.38 | htor | hmmmm, ok |
| 18:57.39 | ompaul | !squeeze -> wheezy |
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| 18:57.52 | ompaul | dpkg: squeeze -> wheezy |
| 18:57.52 | dpkg | ompaul: are you using Windows? |
| 18:57.54 | htor | but i kinda like squeeze |
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| 18:58.30 | ompaul | htor: it's a wrapper of a name around more or less the same thing - liking aspects of everything is typically human, accepting that things move on seems less so ;-) |
| 18:58.51 | ompaul | htor: at the end of the day you install what you want |
| 18:58.56 | Neytiri | hi i downloaded 2 cd images and sucissfully burnt them to a disk to insall and the install freezes at selecting the langue |
| 18:59.22 | htor | Neytiri: did you checksum the images? |
| 18:59.25 | Neytiri | any idea what i did wrong? |
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| 19:00.11 | Neytiri | htor, how would i do that? |
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| 19:01.57 | htor | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify |
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| 19:14.55 | wald0 | how does debian installs grub ? i would like to see the source code of it, which one is the package of the installer, exactly? |
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| 19:15.04 | Towzzer | I think it does grub-install |
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| 19:15.59 | SmashingX | does anybody know how can I just list the drives I have when I run lsscsi? |
| 19:16.23 | SmashingX | for example I can get a list of /dev/sdv /dev/sdy /dev/sdaa /dev/sdac /dev/sdae |
| 19:16.31 | SmashingX | like that and nothing else? |
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| 19:21.48 | raptor67682 | I get no /dev/fb0 found :( |
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| 19:28.36 | dfx | hello guys |
| 19:29.10 | dfx | can someone tell me how to get status bar in dwm i followed the arch wiki but it doe not work |
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| 19:29.33 | setuid | How do I check/verify/authenticate files inside a .deb package? |
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| 19:33.26 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: You can check it's signature. |
| 19:33.45 | setuid | jhutchins_wk, How do I do that on a per-file basis? |
| 19:34.03 | jhutchins_wk | I'm not sure if the individual files are signed/checksummed within the package, the compression protocol may handle that. |
| 19:34.27 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: There is a package called debsums that attempts to maintain a check on installed files. |
| 19:34.30 | jhutchins_wk | !debsums |
| 19:34.31 | dpkg | [debsums] a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 19:35.15 | jhutchins_wk | RPM maintains that info without external programs. |
| 19:35.57 | rabbieth | guys, stupid question: can i make xen to work with several interfaces? like 3 VMs on dummy0, 2 on dummy1 and etc |
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| 19:47.42 | dubcl | hi, i create a private debian mirror with ftpsync, all ok, but i dont find how to make an incremental sync, anyone know how? |
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| 19:55.13 | nullby7e | how can i upgrade debian to a newwer version, with dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:01.11 | somiaj | nullby7e: yes, but first what version do you have and what version do you want to upgrade to? |
| 20:02.53 | DammitJim | man, I just did an apt-get upgrade (wheezy) |
| 20:03.17 | DammitJim | last upgrade was last week, but suddenly all my mouse clicks are acting up (I have a bluetooth mouse) |
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| 20:03.27 | DammitJim | and pulseaudio (bluetooth) was updated |
| 20:03.31 | DammitJim | could those be related? |
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| 20:12.44 | avalarion | Hey ho, I have a missing .so file for my apache. Under Gentoo I'd revdep rebuild right now, what's todo under debian? |
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| 20:14.03 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 20:14.27 | somiaj | avalarion: what .so file are you missing. This really should not happen in debian |
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| 20:17.09 | avalarion | somiaj: xcache.so I reinstalled it right now, this solved the problem, but I do not understand, why it was removed... |
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| 20:18.12 | somiaj | avalarion: Again this should not happen unless someone uses the --force option with dpkg or is manually deleteting things on your mahcine |
| 20:18.23 | somiaj | avalarion: was just the .so gone, or the package that provides that? |
| 20:19.10 | avalarion | somiaj: I am not sure, I'd say the whole package |
| 20:19.39 | somiaj | with out --forcing it to be removed dpkg will not let you remove a package depended on by another package. |
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| 20:20.55 | avalarion | I am the only user with root access and I did neither use dpkg ( normally use apt-get ) nor --forcing... |
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| 20:23.11 | somiaj | avalarion: acuatlly this does not look like an apache dependence issue at all |
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| 20:25.56 | somiaj | avalarion: it apperas to be an opitional php libary. Did you change your apache/php configuration to require this optional libary? |
| 20:26.26 | somiaj | so yea this won't be installed by default and you will have to manually install it if you choose to use this optional libary |
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| 20:26.49 | avalarion | somiaj: no I did not. xcache is opcache for php, but I did not change anything |
| 20:27.41 | avalarion | I just set "a2enmod ssl", restarted the server and bang it did not work. |
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| 20:28.17 | somiaj | well my serach gave xcache.so only exists in the php5-xcache package which is optional. |
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| 20:28.20 | _LECHERO | ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ http://www.milk4men.uni.me㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ http://www.milk4men.uni.me ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ http://www.milk4men.uni.me ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ http://www.milk4men.uni.me ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ ㋡ http://www.milk4men.uni.me |
| 20:28.31 | somiaj | avalarion: if your apache is requiring this, something was changed/enabled to do so. |
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| 20:28.39 | somiaj | !ops _LECHERO spam |
| 20:28.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: somiaj complains about: _LECHERO spam |
| 20:28.49 | Corey | _LECHERO: No. |
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| 20:32.48 | blackmirroxx2 | hi ncmpcpp does not find anything while all other mpd clients work perfect |
| 20:33.35 | blackmirroxx2 | ? |
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| 21:03.37 | dfx | hello |
| 21:03.37 | dfx | can someone tell me please how can i get status bar i tied to a desktop file and to put the snippet from arch wiki but nothin work |
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| 21:05.02 | zykotick9 | blackmirroxx2: have you tried "u" to start a database update? |
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| 21:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dfx, I don't know if anyone understands what you mean... I don't. are you talking about wheezy or squeeze, about gnome or kde or... and do you actually mean "tied" or "tried" ... etc. etc. |
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| 21:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | just sain |
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| 21:13.36 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i did not understand as well. |
| 21:14.44 | dfx | CutMeOwnThroat: ohh im sorry ill repeat well im using wheezy with dwm and i want to get a status bar for it i found a shell file on the net wich i put in ~/bin then pointed to from dwm_status.desktop but nothin work and put it also in /usr/share/xsession still the same and tried to recompile the dwm with status.c file that i DL from the site but icant recompile its stop in the middle |
| 21:15.52 | rabbieth | dfx: /j #suckless |
| 21:16.28 | rabbieth | probably this shell-script was designed for an old dwm version, in newer they changes a way of setting a status |
| 21:16.53 | dfx | rabbieth: i was there no one respond :S |
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| 21:22.17 | asunnO | hello i am using ubuntu currently but not want to wait for support for 3.9 kernel, is it available at debian yet |
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| 21:23.08 | zykotick9 | ,kernels |
| 21:23.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 21:24.09 | asunnO | thank you, it was only release yesterday... i will wait |
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| 21:27.13 | jhutchins_wk | That's just crazy. 3.9 already. Odd versions are development anyway, not production. |
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| 21:33.22 | mdh | Is it a bad idea to upgrade to wheezy right now? |
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| 21:34.07 | bluesm | Can I assign new key Shortcuts |
| 21:34.29 | zykotick9 | mdh: not really. wheezy will always be wheezy, BUT you could check the RC bugs list to verify NONE affect your system (the Immediate Config thing might be an issue) |
| 21:34.54 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Does apt-cache rdepends pkg list all packages that depend on pkg or just the installed ones. |
| 21:34.57 | MouseTheLuckyDog | ? |
| 21:35.01 | bluesm | for example to volume ? |
| 21:35.59 | zykotick9 | MouseTheLuckyDog: just installed. i'm not sure if apt-file has a rdpends (i looked into it the other day myself, i didn't find one - but it might be there!) |
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| 21:40.07 | zykotick9 | MouseTheLuckyDog: if you do find a way from terminal to find every package that depends on another - i'd love to hear it. |
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| 21:41.36 | zykotick9 | MouseTheLuckyDog: i was trying to find every installable package that had a MONO dependency the other day... i haven't found a solution yet, but gave up too easily/quickly ;) |
| 21:43.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, err, that can't be true... apt-cache uses the database of installable packages and shouldn't care what's installed |
| 21:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, and there's also apt-rdepends -r |
| 21:43.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that recurses |
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| 21:44.22 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: pretty sure the apt-cache rdpends is only applied to locally installed packed, not the entire tree. i might be wrong, but i don't think so in this case. |
| 21:45.01 | zykotick9 | s/packed/packages/ |
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| 21:45.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, $ apt-cache rdepends konqueror|grep plugins |
| 21:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | konq-plugins |
| 21:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ dpkg -l konq-plugins |grep plug |
| 21:46.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | un konq-plugins <none> (no description available) |
| 21:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, as a general rule... apt-cache looks at the database from the repo |
| 21:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg does the entries in the local database |
| 21:47.01 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | shaddup, dpkg |
| 21:47.20 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: You're absolutely right! sorry, very bad info. i see, it was my trying to find everything that depends on foo, rather then the straight "apt-cache rdpends foo" that was my problem - and what i was remembering. sorry! my bad! |
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| 21:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, apt-rdepends (without the r) does that |
| 21:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | without the -r (which stands for recurse) |
| 21:49.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | (fixed missing "-") |
| 21:49.22 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! i had to install apt-rdepends, which is a very good sign! |
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| 21:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | BUGS apt-rdepends exists. This functionality should really reside in apt-cache itself. |
| 21:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | (from apt-rdepends manpage) |
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| 21:53.46 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: that was exactly what I've been looking for! even the -r. thank you. |
| 21:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 21:55.05 | zykotick9 | how does the karma thing work again? is it "++CutMeOwnThroat"? |
| 21:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think !nick++ |
| 21:57.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | haven't seen it in ages, though |
| 21:57.44 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: fyi, the -r in apt-rdepends is actually reverse, so depends. |
| 21:58.03 | zykotick9 | !CutMeOwnThroat++ |
| 21:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, duh. you're right... you know I looked it up before saying what it is...but my brain re-wrote it |
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| 22:03.35 | _niCe_ | hi, can someone tell me why my resque system hasn't created the /dev/sda[1-4] devices, but if i do cat /proc/partitions or fdisk -l /dev/sda showes me that they exist? |
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| 22:13.17 | zykotick9 | doesn't know what "resque" is. is this debian? |
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| 22:16.41 | _niCe_ | zykotick9 *rescue-System, its a debian live-cd which is booted over network (on the root-server) |
| 22:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | _niCe_, not as such... but look in output of "dmesg" for things related to the drives... it'll probably/hopefully provide a hint |
| 22:17.32 | zykotick9 | _niCe_: ahhh, i only used debian-live for a very short time. i really don't know anything about it. good luck. |
| 22:17.35 | _niCe_ | CutMeOwnThroat, not diferant than on my lokal desktop "[ 8.869911] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4" |
| 22:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does say "sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk" for me, though |
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| 22:26.04 | _niCe_ | CutMeOwnThroat, that there to "[ 8.928145] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk" |
| 22:26.09 | zykotick9 | _niCe_: are you just booting off of a debian-live image of some sort? |
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| 22:27.01 | _niCe_ | zykotick9, yes a debian based rescue-live-cd booted via network |
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| 22:34.30 | idts | where do i find this rescue-live-cd based on wheezy |
| 22:35.58 | idts | opps, i mean booted via network oh lord is this a hack on a local drv |
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| 22:39.30 | histo | !tell idts about live |
| 22:39.59 | idts | hmm, that not what i was looking for nvm, lol |
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| 22:41.44 | histo | idts: what are you looking for? |
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| 22:43.03 | idts | histo:was just a joke, anyway i like those rescue cd comes in handy |
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| 22:43.29 | histo | There are a plethora of live rescue disks you can use. |
| 22:44.42 | idts | Yeah, was just confuse about the origin of the one being discuss at the time with _niCe_ |
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| 23:26.44 | andkore | Does ext3/4 have something comparable to NTFS's MFT? I hosed a NTFS partition by accidentally overwriting the MFT, and I'm curious if Linux filesystems are similarly vulnerable |
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| 23:31.54 | histo | andkore: they use inodes |
| 23:32.10 | histo | andkore: you can read up on wikipedia about the different filesystems |
| 23:32.22 | histo | andkore: You could probably repair ntfs with the copy of the mft |
| 23:32.32 | andkore | I think that got screwed up too |
| 23:32.50 | andkore | I got some error about them not matching |
| 23:33.18 | andkore | I'm happily using linux now. I was just wondering if Linux was similarly vulnerable |
| 23:33.21 | histo | andkore: yeah because one was good and one was destroyed most likely |
| 23:33.40 | histo | andkore: You can fix ntfs as you can sometimes fix ext3/4 |
| 23:34.17 | andkore | It just seems bizarre to me that they chose to make a little record at the beginning of the filesystem that, if destroyed, screws up the entire thing |
| 23:34.19 | histo | andkore: Keep in mind all hard disks will fail. It's just a matter of when so you should keep backups |
| 23:34.32 | histo | andkore: that's why there is another MFT at the end |
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| 23:34.46 | andkore | this wasn't a physical problem. it was a filesystem resize operation that messed up for some reason |
| 23:35.03 | histo | andkore: resizing is very dangerous for these reasons that's why you always backup first |
| 23:35.19 | andkore | yeah. I had done it before without problem. I realize its danger now... |
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| 23:38.03 | mo1991 | does anyone know how to be able to see the boot sequence with the nvidia driver enabled? |
| 23:38.44 | mo1991 | by default after the first couple lines of the kernel booting, with nvidia driver enabled you get a black screen until the login manager |
| 23:38.55 | mo1991 | any way to disable this behavior |
| 23:38.57 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 23:39.14 | histo | mo1991: disable the splash and quiet options from the booting kernel in grub |
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| 23:40.18 | mo1991 | histo - fyi this only happens with nvidia driver enabled, not with the noveau driver enabled. THis will still fix it? |
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| 23:40.35 | pixy | How do i run a script in /etc/init.d/ before another one. |
| 23:41.06 | histo | mo1991: idk you'd have to try and see |
| 23:41.14 | pfred1 | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 23:41.19 | mo1991 | will do histo |
| 23:41.25 | histo | !upstart | pixy |
| 23:41.31 | histo | !upstart |
| 23:41.31 | dpkg | Upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ #upstart on irc.freenode.net. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
| 23:42.53 | judgen | Why does konsole depend on vlc, plasma stuffs, akonadi and kate libs? |
| 23:43.23 | histo | judgen: depend or recommend? |
| 23:43.29 | judgen | even when installed with -R |
| 23:43.35 | judgen | histo: depend |
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| 23:44.11 | judgen | the recomend list is mostly sql stuff. |
| 23:44.33 | pixy | histo: do i really need upstart ? there is a sequence # for the scripts in init.d i think ? |
| 23:44.39 | abrotman | wtf, no, you don't |
| 23:44.45 | judgen | pixy: hell no |
| 23:44.56 | abrotman | people keep making up stupid stuf |
| 23:44.58 | judgen | excuse my language. |
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| 23:45.37 | pixy | judgen: no for which of my question ? :) |
| 23:46.06 | judgen | pixy: you asked if you needed upstart. |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | no, you don't need upstart for dependencies during boottime |
| 23:46.45 | abrotman | pixy: see what the bot told oyu |
| 23:47.06 | pixy | k |
| 23:47.09 | histo | pixy: yes sequence number sorry |
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| 23:48.48 | mo1991 | histo - ok, i disabled quiet mode and it lets me see more of the boot process, but still blacks for a bit before graphics kick in. I do not see a spash option in the /etc/default/grub file. Is this where I would find it? It may just not be enabled by default as there is nothing in the config. |
| 23:48.58 | judgen | I just read the description of pyqonsole from the official repos. Made me laugh out loud. |
| 23:49.57 | judgen | "it can be used as a not blazingly fast XTerm replacement, consuming a lot more memory than rxvt or xterm." |
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