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| 00:01.40 | sh4rm4 | is there a guide on how to compile vanilla gcc on debian ? it fails in the bootstrap-phase since bits/ was moved from /usr/include to some arch-specific subdir |
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| 00:02.58 | sh4rm4 | the gcc (wrapper?) used by debian probably works around it by passing that arch-specific dir as an -I flag |
| 00:03.12 | sh4rm4 | but the xgcc doesnt know that. |
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| 00:04.34 | deimos | Is there a recommend place to dump user public keys for LDAP accounts where the home dir may not exist? |
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| 00:09.39 | sh4rm4 | s/debian/debian unstable/ |
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| 00:11.14 | sh4rm4 | babilen, maybe you know ? |
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| 00:12.17 | sh4rm4 | this is a how-to for debian stable: http://nosemaj.org/debian-gcc-4-7 |
| 00:12.39 | sh4rm4 | on stable it works as intended since it doesnt do the funky arch-specific bits stuff |
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| 00:15.54 | pixy | i need to run a script before gdm3. As some websites recommend i will try to call it from /etc/gdm3/Init/Default , anyone who thinks this is a bad practice and got a better idea ? |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | pixy: why not just try it ? |
| 00:18.25 | pixy | abrotman: trying now on another pc ... |
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| 00:23.47 | _niCe_ | hi, does anyone know how i can (live) sync to disks (no raid, the disks are on seperate servers) |
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| 00:26.22 | abrotman | _niCe_: you mean have an "active/active" clustered filesystem ? |
| 00:27.16 | _niCe_ | abrotman, more or less, yes |
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| 00:27.38 | abrotman | not more or less |
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| 00:28.04 | _niCe_ | abrotman, i'm running a rootserver with kvm and well if it goes down i just what to start the VMs on the other server and they are running |
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| 00:28.30 | Luke-Jr | Just installed wheezy, and it just sits at a black screen on reboot.. :/ |
| 00:28.39 | Luke-Jr | booted the CD in rescue mode, reinstalled GRUB, same thing |
| 00:29.39 | _niCe_ | luke-jr, when does the black-screen come? before / after grub? |
| 00:29.53 | _niCe_ | does bios show up? |
| 00:30.33 | Luke-Jr | _niCe_: before |
| 00:30.36 | Luke-Jr | BIOS is fine, yes |
| 00:31.02 | _niCe_ | and bios tells you that it will now boot from disk and then nothing happens? |
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| 00:31.08 | Luke-Jr | _niCe_: right |
| 00:31.25 | Luke-Jr | (well, BIOS doesn't actually say anything about that at all, even normally..) |
| 00:32.00 | _niCe_ | luke-jr, have you tried disabling fast-boot in bios - this often gives you more information |
| 00:32.16 | Luke-Jr | _niCe_: the BIOS has no config that I could find |
| 00:32.31 | Luke-Jr | also, it was booting Debian 6 prior to installing wheezy |
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| 00:32.56 | _niCe_ | abrotman, do you know something about clustered filesystems, or can you help me in any way? |
| 00:33.15 | _niCe_ | luke-jr, well it should tell you that it hasn't found a bootalbe device |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | _niCe_: i'd check the fuse website |
| 00:34.27 | Luke-Jr | _niCe_: I'm suspecting some problem with GRUB not being able to find its stage* files due to RAID+LVM |
| 00:35.27 | _niCe_ | luke-jr, well if grub can't find his files it would show you an "grub error" |
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| 00:36.27 | _niCe_ | to me this sounds like grub not installed and a bios that doen't like to talk |
| 00:36.44 | Luke-Jr | as I mentioned, I explicitly made sure to reinstall grub |
| 00:37.33 | _niCe_ | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 00:37.37 | _niCe_ | ? |
| 00:37.44 | _niCe_ | or how did you install it? |
| 00:37.45 | Luke-Jr | yes |
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| 00:38.18 | Luke-Jr | oh, the installer did warn me that I had no GPT partitions |
| 00:38.23 | Luke-Jr | but I'd assume MBR should work fine? |
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| 00:50.23 | KerrMD | Hi all. I have been trying to find out what application that it is that allows windows to autoresize when dragged to the screen edges. Quarter screen, halve screen, etc. |
| 00:50.29 | _niCe_ | luke-jr you should install grub-uefi then |
| 00:50.59 | Luke-Jr | _niCe_: for MBR? |
| 00:51.06 | KerrMD | Within xfce4 |
| 00:51.54 | _niCe_ | there is grub2 and grub2-uefi, if i'm not wrong |
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| 00:52.34 | _niCe_ | and if you use GPT you will have to use grub2-uefi |
| 00:52.45 | _niCe_ | otherwise your system won't boot |
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| 00:56.39 | abrotman | kermit: it's probably part of the WM |
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| 00:58.56 | Luke-Jr | _niCe_: but I'm using MBR |
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| 01:04.17 | SARC | What file do I modify to prevent "uname -a" from being printed at login? |
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| 01:08.30 | ectospasm | SARC: see /etc/init.d/motd, or man motd |
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| 01:09.23 | SARC | ectospasm: my motd is an empty file |
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| 01:09.44 | ectospasm | SARC: read the man page, it also displays /run/motd.dynamic |
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| 01:11.01 | ectospasm | SARC: ...which is generated in /etc/init.d/motd |
| 01:12.09 | SARC | ectospasm: must be something new in wheezy? i don't recall that in squeeze |
| 01:12.33 | ectospasm | SARC: I'm working off my sid system, so I don't know. |
| 01:13.37 | ectospasm | SARC: did you read the manpage? |
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| 01:16.04 | abrotman | SARC: did you look at /var/run/motd ? |
| 01:18.11 | SARC | I read the man page and modified /etc/init.d/motd |
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| 01:20.05 | MouseTheLuckyDog | How can I use the apt family to tell if a package has been installed. Something whose output is easily grepable. |
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| 01:21.00 | dvs | MouseTheLuckyDog: dpkg --get-selections |
| 01:21.06 | themill | dpkg: tell MouseTheLuckyDog about installed test |
| 01:21.41 | MouseTheLuckyDog | themill, I think you forgot an !. |
| 01:21.49 | themill | I know I did not. |
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| 01:26.02 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Which brings up another question. What is this scheling of installlation and removal. Every time I install, upgrade or remove it happens at that time. Is there a way to mark packages for installtion or removal in the apt family? |
| 01:27.23 | themill | MouseTheLuckyDog: I really don't understand what you're asking here. |
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| 01:30.31 | MouseTheLuckyDog | themill: dpkg is telling me that packages can be "scheduled for removal". |
| 01:32.04 | themill | "aptitude --schedule-only remove packagename" |
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| 01:32.33 | themill | or with dpkg --set-selections. |
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| 01:34.08 | themill | These commands are telling the package system that the "desired" state should be different to the current state; the current state isn't just installed="yes/no" either as you have several steps between not installed and installed (unpack and configure being the ones that people understand; trigger states being the ones that most people don't) |
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| 01:40.36 | Luke-Jr | FWIW, my problem was Debian installed an EFI GRUB for my MBR setup |
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| 01:40.37 | Luke-Jr | sigh |
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| 01:47.58 | MouseTheLuckyDog | themill: And that is the question--what is this "--schedule-only" option and how is scheduling done: adding, removing, executing. |
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| 01:48.53 | themill | I think I just answered that, didn't I? (also, aptitude has a man page) |
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| 01:50.44 | SARC | My predecessor had the following code in a script: "mv /etc/fonts/fonts.conf.dpkg-new /etc/fonts/fonts.conf" I am not sure what he was doing, as I can't even find a /etc/fonts directory on the machine. |
| 01:52.46 | dvs | SARC: Dont tell me he was doing automatic updates. |
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| 01:54.17 | SARC | dvs: it was a configuration script .. is there a package that needs to be installed for the /etc/fonts directory to be created? |
| 01:54.50 | themill | lots of packages will do that -- fontconfig-config is the main "owner" of that directory |
| 01:55.46 | SARC | he has that line of code in a block that does plymouth installation |
| 01:56.33 | dvs | wonders how to install a car |
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| 02:22.50 | zzing | Is there anything more up to date than the wiki page on OpenLDAP (or another) for setting up an LDAP server? (it says "most of this page does not easily apply to ldap in squeeze", so it is a bit out of date). |
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| 02:24.32 | abrotman | zzing: the stuff in /usr/share/doc/ perhaps |
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| 02:25.28 | zzing | Any way to get the documentation before installing the package? |
| 02:26.30 | themill | zzing: aptitude download package; dpkg -x package /tmp/packagename. Or use "mc" to browse through the package. |
| 02:26.45 | zzing | merci |
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| 04:01.33 | Andymeows | hello, I recently installed a copy of wheezy, and I'm having an obscure problem where something is causing the dhclient program to run and change the server's IP address |
| 04:01.46 | Andymeows | has anyone run into a similar issue? |
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| 04:13.53 | rjsalts | Andymeows: I assume you have static in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:15.15 | Andymeows | rjsalts: yes, it's static, and auto eth0 |
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| 04:15.28 | Andymeows | I'm thinking it might be an issue with ntpdate or ntp |
| 04:15.34 | Andymeows | ntpd |
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| 04:17.18 | rjsalts | Andymeows: maybe VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/networking and see if it indicates what's going on? |
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| 04:18.47 | Andymeows | rjsalts: awesome, I'll try that and see if it sheds some more light |
| 04:18.50 | themill | perhaps you could pastebin /e/n/interfaces for us. Does the process tree tell you how dhclient was started? |
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| 04:19.13 | themill | (what started it and with what options) |
| 04:20.25 | Andymeows | http://pastebin.com/cQGAL2yZ |
| 04:21.04 | Andymeows | the process tree shows it was started by pid 1 (init) |
| 04:21.05 | Andymeows | dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 |
| 04:21.24 | themill | I assume your change from dhcp to static was before the previous boot? |
| 04:21.41 | Andymeows | themill: yes, that's correct |
| 04:22.02 | themill | do you have ifplugd installed? |
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| 04:22.30 | themill | although ifplugd would normally stay as parent to dhclient, I think |
| 04:22.37 | Andymeows | themill: no ifplugd |
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| 04:22.55 | Andymeows | it's a pretty clean install |
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| 04:23.08 | themill | no other network management thingies like wicd or network-manager around? |
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| 04:23.45 | Andymeows | hmm, thinking about it, the only thing reasonably suspicious would be bind9 |
| 04:24.03 | themill | (If you don't need it, I'd be tempted to uninstall isc-dhcp-client) |
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| 04:25.45 | Andymeows | yeah, I could get away with that. It's a pending mail/DNS server. There should never be a need for dhcp |
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| 04:27.40 | rjsalts | Andymeows: grep -r dhclient /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 04:28.07 | rjsalts | Andymeows: assuming it's not /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 04:28.33 | Andymeows | rjsalts: nothing from grep |
| 04:28.54 | rjsalts | Andymeows: nothing from verbose run of /etc/init.d/networking either? |
| 04:30.26 | Andymeows | well this happened once before so far, and when I restart networking it returns to normal with the static IP |
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| 04:30.51 | Andymeows | I'm trying again though |
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| 04:33.08 | Andymeows | dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down |
| 04:34.05 | Andymeows | that's all it mentions dhclient |
| 04:35.19 | rjsalts | Andymeows: That's in dmesg or something? |
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| 04:36.12 | Andymeows | rjsalts: it's in /var/log/syslog |
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| 04:37.47 | rjsalts | Andymeows: could it be during the initrd? |
| 04:38.52 | Andymeows | rjsalts: no, after rebooting, the networking is fine |
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| 04:39.43 | rjsalts | Andymeows: so it happens at some point after the reboot |
| 04:40.04 | Andymeows | yeah, seemingly random |
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| 04:41.11 | rjsalts | Andymeows: I'd divert dhclient and then replace it with a script that captures what the parent process is |
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| 04:42.56 | Andymeows | rjsalts: that's a great idea. I'll do that and wait for it to happen again. I could probably have it send an email too for convenience. |
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| 04:45.13 | Andymeows | rjsalts, themills: thanks for your help!! much appreciated |
| 04:45.33 | themill | happy hunting |
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| 04:49.55 | andk0re | how long should it take gpart to scan a drive? |
| 04:50.02 | andk0re | 1.5TB drive |
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| 06:39.23 | Slydder | morning all |
| 06:39.25 | Slydder | I have a situation here. we have an active vpn connection and both ends have split horizon dns. the problem is we need the internal addressing from each end. how would you guys go about best dealing with this? |
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| 06:43.16 | LuckySMack | I am trying to install debian wheezy from the rc1 dvd. And it fails when trying to install grub. Message: grub-efi package failed to install to /target |
| 06:44.49 | LuckySMack | I am dual booting with win 8 (system came with 8. Not an upgrade). |
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| 06:51.03 | somiaj | LuckySMack: and it is an efi bios? [haven't had much experience with these]. |
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| 06:51.34 | LuckySMack | Yea it is. The laptop came with windows 8 |
| 06:51.55 | LuckySMack | Secure booting is disabled in bios |
| 06:52.08 | somiaj | LuckySMack: Could it be some securte boot issue. Anyways not familar with efi bios, but I would suggest skipping the install grub |
| 06:52.30 | somiaj | LuckySMack: you can then use the resuce feature of the dvd installer (or get a live image) and then boot up and chroot into your install |
| 06:52.54 | somiaj | LuckySMack: (you can probabaly do it by hitting alt-f2 now as well). Chroot into your install, and manually install grub [that is what I would do, avoid the installer] |
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| 06:53.19 | LuckySMack | I'm trying one more time with a /boot partition. If not then I will |
| 06:53.28 | somiaj | also do you have any real error besides failed ot install grub |
| 06:53.59 | LuckySMack | I don't know enough to know how to do that easily. |
| 06:53.59 | somiaj | my guess is a seprate /boot won't change things, since grubb gets installed on the mbr (or where ever it is install on a gpt) |
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| 06:54.16 | somiaj | LuckySMack: do you know if your partition format is the old MBR or the new GPT? |
| 06:54.16 | LuckySMack | It's not showing an error. Just that message |
| 06:54.32 | themill | iirc there are some win8 fixes in the pipeline and possibly an installer RC3 to test them |
| 06:54.40 | somiaj | hit alt-f2, f3, (up to say f6 or f7) do you see a console which has errors printed to it? |
| 06:54.49 | LuckySMack | Not disure how can I check. |
| 06:55.10 | LuckySMack | Just a moment |
| 06:55.22 | somiaj | themill: is there a fix? (manually install grub?) maybe documented in a bug report? |
| 06:56.16 | LuckySMack | I'm on myphone so it's difficult to check the web currently. I'm making notes if need be |
| 06:58.07 | LuckySMack | Alt f3put me into a shell I can't seem to exit out of. Just says: press enter to activate built in shell |
| 06:58.35 | LuckySMack | Ctrl c and 'exit' just brings up the same message |
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| 06:59.05 | LuckySMack | Nvm I got it |
| 06:59.40 | LuckySMack | Somiaj, looks like alt f4 shows a log |
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| 07:00.34 | themill | ,bug 698914 |
| 07:00.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/698914 in grub-efi (closed): «grub-efi booting Windows 8 in UEFI mode»; severity: serious; opened: 2013-01-25; last modified: 2013-04-29. |
| 07:00.42 | themill | https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/04/msg00573.html |
| 07:01.10 | themill | wonders if gratuitously highlighting babilen will help |
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| 07:05.10 | yeheyuan | "sticky @705 offer 4 G' ops enroll ">>/etc/kryptonited.conf |
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| 07:09.24 | yeheyuan | yupiiii comienza subiendo |
| 07:09.34 | yeheyuan | 8500+ |
| 07:09.55 | yeheyuan | tercera vez de 500 puntos en este año académico |
| 07:10.09 | ectospasm | !es |
| 07:10.10 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 07:10.17 | yeheyuan | uh |
| 07:10.25 | ectospasm | or is that pt? |
| 07:10.26 | yeheyuan | wasnt here. my fault |
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| 07:13.00 | Iridos | you was! we SEED you! |
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| 07:14.40 | LuckySMack | Well that was interesting... |
| 07:16.09 | LuckySMack | I went back, added a /boot partition, opted out of updates (only security), chose the kernel.org mirror instead, installed bare system (no packages), and grub installed. Just booted |
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| 07:16.48 | LuckySMack | Only thing that was diferwnt was the not aelecting the updates option and the dierwnt mirror. Amd the /boot partition. |
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| 07:34.49 | KerrMD | Hello all. I am running Wheezy on my laptop. I did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade before I went to work. I come home to boot the laptop and got a black screen. Last thing I saw was "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated". My question is: Should my "set root=" be set to 'hd0,msdos' if I have grub installed to the MBR of /dev/sda? |
| 07:35.19 | KerrMD | I had noticed a grub update when I ran my upgrade |
| 07:35.20 | krocos | !translate en|ru |
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| 07:35.36 | Supaplex | !ru |
| 07:35.36 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 07:37.16 | Supaplex | KerrMD: root=/dev/sdaN where N = the partition. Grub can give you details of partitions for ideas. |
| 07:37.47 | KerrMD | So if I tell it /dev/sda would it assume mbr? |
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| 07:39.03 | Supaplex | sda would only work if there's a filesystem there, otherwise you want sda1, sda2 sda3 ... based on what partition it's on. |
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| 07:39.27 | Supaplex | KerrMD: I assume by root= you mean the kernel command line. my bad. |
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| 07:39.37 | KerrMD | Oh, so I am pointing to the /root not the mbr.. silly me. |
| 07:39.50 | KerrMD | yes, kernel command line I believe |
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| 07:40.24 | Supaplex | I'm thinking older grub, that would be set root=(hd0,0) - tab completion is your friend. |
| 07:40.45 | KerrMD | Not sure if it's older. 1.99-27 |
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| 07:41.11 | Supaplex | set root=<tab><tab> will list known disks. grub hasn't given me any grief in a few years, so I totally forgot. lol. |
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| 07:41.49 | KerrMD | Lol, that worked. IT was pointed at MSDos instead of msdos1 |
| 07:41.53 | KerrMD | thanks |
| 07:41.57 | Supaplex | ^5's KerrMD |
| 07:42.01 | Supaplex | no problem. |
| 07:42.32 | Supaplex | fix the config after you're booted. then update grub (what ever that lil utility is) |
| 07:43.03 | KerrMD | This is off topic but would you happen to know of an open source irc client for win64? I loathe this mirc |
| 07:43.16 | KerrMD | Just have to find the config. =D thanks for the tip |
| 07:43.27 | Supaplex | humm I use irssi myself. maybe it's in cygwin. |
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| 07:43.46 | Supaplex | !cygwin |
| 07:43.47 | dpkg | Cygwin is a <POSIX> environment for Microsoft Windows, running (among many programs) bash and gcc. Availiable from http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/mirrors.html , or broken WRT <rsync> (https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208). #cygwin on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:44.16 | KerrMD | I'll have to run that across the wife since this is her laptop on which I type. Mine was non-comm due to the boot issue |
| 07:44.42 | KerrMD | non-comm == OOC |
| 07:44.55 | Supaplex | there is probably something in portable apps too. |
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| 07:45.08 | KerrMD | Hmm, never thought of that |
| 07:45.20 | Supaplex | then you can stash all that on a usb key. take it with you everywhere. |
| 07:45.25 | KerrMD | Where would that config reside? |
| 07:45.49 | Supaplex | in /boot/grub/ |
| 07:46.12 | KerrMD | ...duh! I did not think I was this much of a noob. Been dabblibng in linux for years. |
| 07:47.30 | Supaplex | well, openwrt + mips64(octeon) + usb + uvc + mjpg-streamer are kicking my tail this week. ... month... |
| 07:47.38 | KerrMD | Odd. /boot/grub/grub.cfg was correct in both the standard login AND fallback |
| 07:48.12 | KerrMD | Openwrt related to ddwrt? |
| 07:48.16 | Supaplex | just one linux install on that system? |
| 07:48.20 | KerrMD | yes |
| 07:48.25 | KerrMD | debian wheezy |
| 07:48.28 | Supaplex | they're different. similar. |
| 07:48.41 | KerrMD | I wonder if they support my router yet |
| 07:48.54 | Supaplex | I'm out of ideas for the grub issue. |
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| 07:49.18 | KerrMD | At least I know the fix.. maybe a "find grub.cfg"? |
| 07:50.15 | Supaplex | it'd be in /boot or /etc. find /boot /etc -name grub.cfg |
| 07:50.52 | KerrMD | I found a /etc/grub.d/ |
| 07:50.52 | Supaplex | this is all from memory (I'm on a mac right now, work frowns on dual booting linux on it...) |
| 07:51.07 | ectospasm | in general, it's not a good idea to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 07:51.27 | ectospasm | ...you should edit /etc/default/grub, and /etc/grub.d/* |
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| 07:51.56 | KerrMD | ectospasm thanks, I just read that in the readme |
| 07:52.49 | ectospasm | I don't dual boot ever anymore, so I just let grub go with its bad self on install |
| 07:53.00 | lonelybyte | why my virtualbox guest machine can not load usb AR9271 wifi card |
| 07:53.49 | ectospasm | lonelybyte: does the guest show the AR9271 in lsusb? |
| 07:53.52 | KerrMD | ectospasm I am not dualbooting either. Grub updated and I think it nuked the config |
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| 07:54.15 | ectospasm | KerrMD: had you edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg, I'm not surprised. |
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| 07:55.48 | KerrMD | ectospasm That's the thing. I had not touched grub. |
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| 07:58.07 | ectospasm | KerrMD: looks like I got that grub update too, and I have *not* rebooted since getting it. |
| 07:58.26 | ectospasm | I have a completely vanilla grub setup |
| 07:58.50 | KerrMD | as mine should have been. |
| 07:58.57 | KerrMD | Still looking for where the wrong config is |
| 07:59.03 | ectospasm | looks like I got it about eight hours ago. |
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| 08:02.52 | ectospasm | KerrMD: probably do a diff on /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /usr/share/doc/grub*/examples/grug.cfg |
| 08:03.10 | KerrMD | Ok, I do not think that did it. THe entry looks proper and it still boots to a black screen and stays there... I HAD to reboot to test |
| 08:03.36 | KerrMD | I am not back to square 1. Time to remove 'quite' again |
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| 08:04.44 | KerrMD | Thing is that it scrolls too fast to see what is going on before it turns the screen off |
| 08:05.55 | ectospasm | KerrMD: can you SSH into it? |
| 08:06.03 | KerrMD | NOt sure I know how |
| 08:06.19 | KerrMD | I'm a relative noob |
| 08:06.32 | ectospasm | ah. It sounds like your graphics driver is fritzing out |
| 08:06.47 | ectospasm | If you see normal kernel boot messages, it's not grub |
| 08:06.48 | KerrMD | Also sounds like the drive is still spinning a bit |
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| 08:07.25 | ectospasm | do you know if you have sshd listening on your NIC? |
| 08:07.28 | KerrMD | Nevermind. I think that was the other laptop.. |
| 08:07.37 | KerrMD | Not a clue |
| 08:07.45 | KerrMD | It's only connection right now is wifi |
| 08:07.49 | ectospasm | can you ssh into the affected machine from the working laptop? |
| 08:07.52 | KerrMD | iwlwifi |
| 08:08.09 | ectospasm | well, can you ping the machine you're having trouble with? |
| 08:08.11 | KerrMD | I am not familiar with ssh |
| 08:08.15 | KerrMD | let me try |
| 08:08.57 | lasers | Hi. If any, what's the location of the file that kept a list of installed packages? |
| 08:09.18 | ectospasm | lasers: dpkg --get-selections |
| 08:10.01 | KerrMD | ectospasm I believe I can |
| 08:10.06 | lasers | ectospasm: It's not kept in /var/ or something similar? |
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| 08:10.38 | ectospasm | lasers: maybe somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg |
| 08:10.49 | ectospasm | lasers: but "installed" is a loaded word |
| 08:10.56 | lasers | ectospasm: (I made backup, but there are some thing that I probably should had made backup of) |
| 08:10.58 | ectospasm | it isn't as simple as having a list of them. |
| 08:11.27 | ectospasm | lasers: use $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}') |
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| 08:12.21 | ectospasm | of course, if you have multiarch you may need to split it again... |
| 08:13.12 | ectospasm | my awk fu isn't stellar, so there's probably a better way. But... $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1' | awk '{print $1}') |
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| 08:14.17 | ectospasm | $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1' | awk -F':' '{print $1}') |
| 08:14.30 | ectospasm | forgot to change the separator from the usual whitespace |
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| 08:16.27 | ectospasm | lasers: $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1'} | awk -F':' '{print $1}') |
| 08:16.46 | ectospasm | I think that's it |
| 08:16.58 | ectospasm | may wanna throw a uniq in there, too |
| 08:17.17 | ectospasm | lasers: $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1'} | awk -F':' '{print $1}' | uniq) |
| 08:17.30 | ectospasm | although if you've enabled multiarch, you may not want to lose that info |
| 08:17.48 | lasers | Ah, I should did that firsthand. Also, sudo apt-key exportall > Repo.key -- I kept /root, /var, /etc. I forget about /usr/local, /opt, etc. |
| 08:18.19 | ectospasm | /usr/local and /opt will only have stuff if you put it there |
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| 08:19.52 | demetan | hi |
| 08:20.12 | demetan | don't have sound, only with youtube, |
| 08:20.26 | demetan | please if someone has an issue |
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| 08:27.10 | ectospasm | demetan: are you using pulseaudio? |
| 08:27.52 | ectospasm | if you're not, unless you have a hardware mixer on your sound card, you can only listen to one sound at a time. |
| 08:28.08 | ectospasm | If youtube (or your browser) is playing audio, nothing else will work |
| 08:28.37 | lasers | html5, flash, gnash? |
| 08:28.57 | Uriziel | ectospasm: also has software mixing. |
| 08:29.00 | Uriziel | alsa* |
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| 08:31.05 | ectospasm | Uriziel: dmix, right |
| 08:31.17 | ectospasm | I always forget about it |
| 08:31.26 | ectospasm | Mainly because pulse is installed by default |
| 08:31.41 | ectospasm | And IIRC, alsa didn't always have software mixing |
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| 08:32.19 | ectospasm | I remember getting a Creative SBLive! specifically because it had a hardware mixer. It just "worked", no esd, aRts, or anything else required. |
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| 08:35.54 | KerrMD | Well, it looks like there will not be any SSHing |
| 08:36.24 | ectospasm | can you switch to another virtual console (CTRL-ALT-F{1..8})? |
| 08:36.39 | KerrMD | Ok this is odd. I had changed the hd0, msdos1 back to msdos and it worked. |
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| 08:36.49 | KerrMD | Why the flip flop like that? |
| 08:37.01 | ectospasm | not sure |
| 08:37.15 | ectospasm | I don't muck about with grub _at all_ |
| 08:37.17 | KerrMD | Could it be related to saving state on logout? |
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| 08:37.45 | KerrMD | er saving the session I mean |
| 08:37.58 | ectospasm | I wouldn't think so |
| 08:38.11 | ectospasm | saving the session shouldn't do anything with GRUB |
| 08:38.49 | KerrMD | I just find it odd. Maybe it needed a proper boot after the update. Started at msdos, then msdos1 and back to msdos. |
| 08:38.57 | KerrMD | time to bite the bullet and do a reboot to test |
| 08:40.14 | KerrMD | and now it worked again. I am thinking that the problem WAS that it needed a proper reboot to set something |
| 08:40.22 | KerrMD | Thanks for the help |
| 08:40.25 | Supaplex | pfm |
| 08:41.04 | KerrMD | Now to get this crappy trialware off my wifes laptop. Ne well |
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| 08:41.14 | KerrMD | Be well* |
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| 08:42.59 | Technologov | hi ! What does # rm /dev/sda* really do ? |
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| 08:43.49 | mumpitze1 | it removes a few device node until you boot the next time |
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| 08:44.04 | mumpitze1 | if you don't use udev it removes them permanently |
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| 08:44.38 | Technologov | thx |
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| 08:45.39 | KjetilK | upstream has no idea why it doesn't, it works for him on CentOS, and he suggests that it may be something with the default Debian setup that limits it |
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| 08:46.01 | KjetilK | anybody around that can give me a clue why this is happening? |
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| 08:47.41 | touki_ | Hi guys, I don't have any cups administration page at localhost:631, do you have an idea ? |
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| 08:49.34 | theothertom | KjetilK: it's not something like 4store is only putting stuff into RAM when it needs to is it ? |
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| 08:51.15 | KjetilK | theothertom, well, the author says that it will try to put things into RAM pre-emptively if it can, but that it is not aggressively requesting RAM from other applications |
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| 08:52.04 | KjetilK | he says that the normal behaviour would be to load the entire 5.4 GB database into RAM, since it can |
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| 08:52.34 | ectospasm | touki_: is CUPS running? |
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| 08:55.46 | ChrisH | KjetilK: can you show us a ps -efl ;free -m ; on paste.debian.net please. |
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| 08:55.59 | debdeb | hi |
| 08:56.03 | Trewas | KjetilK: normally programs don't care at all what other programs are doing and how much RAM is free, but it is possible and I guess the author should know... |
| 08:56.19 | debdeb | i have a little quest with /etc/fstab |
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| 08:56.35 | KjetilK | nods |
| 08:56.37 | debdeb | the 6th field is for fsck, right? |
| 08:56.50 | debdeb | 1= for root-filesystem |
| 08:56.57 | debdeb | 2= for other filesystems |
| 08:57.06 | debdeb | and 0= do not fsck |
| 08:57.08 | debdeb | right? |
| 08:57.12 | KjetilK | I would thing that the main issue here is how RAM is requested from the kernel, right? |
| 08:57.21 | ChrisH | debdeb: did you check man fstab ? |
| 08:57.40 | debdeb | ChrisH: yes. thats why i ask, if i understood it right |
| 08:57.50 | debdeb | ChrisH: and man mount , btw |
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| 08:58.03 | debdeb | but now to the problem: |
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| 08:58.19 | ChrisH | debdeb: Your understanding seems OK |
| 08:58.56 | Trewas | KjetilK: the program allocates more RAM if it wants to, up to a point when it fails (and most programs crash at that point) |
| 08:59.20 | debdeb | i have an usb-stick, which i want to be fsck-ed when it is present... but if it is not present... it shoulnd dump me to a root-console/CTRL-D on boot |
| 08:59.49 | debdeb | how do i do that? |
| 08:59.56 | KjetilK | Trewas, yeah, but is there something that could prevent it from allocating, other than limit, which I have disabled? |
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| 09:00.46 | Trewas | KjetilK: 32bit program would limit it to 2GB memory usage, but other than that it really is up to the program how much it wants to allocate |
| 09:01.03 | ChrisH | debdeb: option noauto ? |
| 09:01.13 | debdeb | ChrisH: doesnt help |
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| 09:01.25 | debdeb | ChrisH: its just for not mounting it on boot |
| 09:01.36 | KjetilK | nods; this is written specifically for 64 bit, and I have only 64 bit boxen |
| 09:01.42 | debdeb | ChrisH: but if the 6th field is 2... it dumps me |
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| 09:01.56 | debdeb | ChrisH: even, when in option it is noauto |
| 09:02.13 | ChrisH | debdeb: What is the idea behind, not booting without the USB stick? |
| 09:02.23 | KsM | 04:00.43 < Trewas> KjetilK: 32bit program would limit it to 2GB memory usage, but other than that it really is up to the program how much it wants to allocate |
| 09:02.27 | KsM | er |
| 09:02.36 | debdeb | ChrisH: when it is not present |
| 09:02.36 | KsM | doesn't 32bit allow 4gb max with pae |
| 09:02.42 | KsM | per program |
| 09:03.01 | debdeb | ChrisH: look, its an usb-stick... it shouldnt be allways present |
| 09:03.09 | Trewas | KsM: PAE allows using more RAM, but it doesn't increase what one program can use |
| 09:03.35 | KsM | No, I was sure I read that 32bit allows a limit of 4gb per program |
| 09:03.46 | KsM | I never heard of a 2gb limit though |
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| 09:03.49 | debdeb | ChrisH: oh.. it isnt a boot-usb-stick... i mean: i am not booting from it.. its just a normal stick |
| 09:04.34 | Trewas | KsM: I am not certain if it is 2GB but the limit is certainly lower than 4GB, because part of the address space must be preserved for communication between kernel and process |
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| 09:05.04 | debdeb | isnt there any option for fstab to fsck an enty only if its present? |
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| 09:06.03 | ChrisH | debdeb: Then leave it to the DE to mount it. KDE and Gnome wll mount the stick if it gets present. no need to fiddle with fstab. and once more, noauto should help. |
| 09:06.15 | debdeb | DE? |
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| 09:06.31 | debdeb | i dont use KDE/Gnome there |
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| 09:06.54 | debdeb | ChrisH: i check again |
| 09:07.29 | debdeb | ChrisH: noauto,users,exec,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro 0 2 |
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| 09:07.34 | debdeb | ChrisH: is present |
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| 09:07.43 | debdeb | ChrisH: nevertheless it dumps me on boot |
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| 09:08.27 | debdeb | (when the stick is not present) |
| 09:08.30 | ectospasm | I just set up udev to automount the USB drives based on Label |
| 09:08.38 | ChrisH | debdeb: did you test noauto,users,exec,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 09:09.00 | debdeb | ChrisH: yes |
| 09:09.12 | ectospasm | sadly, most vfat and ntfs volumes don't come with a label OOTB... {dosfs,ntfs}label does the trick |
| 09:09.19 | debdeb | ChrisH: then it is not fsck-ed... even, wehen it is present |
| 09:09.38 | ectospasm | The scripts I used could add that as a feature |
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| 09:10.07 | ChrisH | debdeb: sounds like you want to use udev here. fsck and mount the stick as it gets attached |
| 09:10.10 | touki_ | ectoplasm: it doesn't seem, ps -A | grep cups give nothing |
| 09:10.13 | debdeb | ectospasm: that would be a workaround, yes |
| 09:10.35 | touki_ | what do I have to launch ? |
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| 09:10.43 | debdeb | ectospasm: ChrisH does it do a fsck automatically? |
| 09:10.45 | ectospasm | touki_: service cups start |
| 09:11.00 | ectospasm | debdeb: mine doesn't, but the scripts could be adapted to do so |
| 09:11.14 | ectospasm | though most of the USB drives I mount are not ext? |
| 09:12.11 | debdeb | mine is |
| 09:12.34 | debdeb | and i would use UUId not LABEL |
| 09:12.38 | debdeb | UUID |
| 09:12.44 | debdeb | as i do in fstab |
| 09:13.21 | ChrisH | debdeb: what is IT in your question? does it do a fsck automatically? |
| 09:13.21 | debdeb | unfortunately i would prefer to have all in fstab and dont prefer to mess with udev |
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| 09:13.38 | debdeb | ChrisH: hm? |
| 09:14.05 | debdeb | ChrisH: ahh... i mean with udev.. but ectospasm has answered it |
| 09:14.09 | debdeb | it doesent |
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| 09:14.51 | debdeb | ectospasm: may you give me a hint, how you did it with udev? |
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| 09:15.26 | ectospasm | debdeb: http://superuser.com/questions/53978/ubuntu-automatically-mount-external-drives-to-media-label-on-boot-without-a-u/64970#64970 |
| 09:15.33 | ectospasm | Read everything there |
| 09:15.38 | invariant | Is there some way to simulate what would happen when running sudo in a particular way? |
| 09:15.41 | ectospasm | ...it works on Debian too |
| 09:15.44 | debdeb | ectospasm: thanks a lot |
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| 09:15.52 | ectospasm | Major thing is to replace vol_id with blkid |
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| 09:16.04 | invariant | I specified NOPASSWD, but it is still asking for a password. |
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| 09:16.12 | Trewas | udisks is the service used by gnome/kde for automounting usb-sticks etc, not sure how applicable that is if not using those DEs |
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| 09:17.41 | debdeb | Trewas: i played with that on another machine... and really... i dont like it |
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| 09:18.25 | debdeb | oh... btw... does an automounter work together witch such an udev-solution? |
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| 09:18.33 | debdeb | just for the future |
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| 09:19.12 | ectospasm | debdeb: I used it without automounter |
| 09:19.33 | ectospasm | mainly because automounter still requires you to enumerate the drive before using it |
| 09:19.45 | ectospasm | ...which (to me) defeats the purpose of automount |
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| 09:20.19 | debdeb | sorry, i am no native-english-speaker... what does that mean? "requires you to enumerate the drive" |
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| 09:20.38 | ectospasm | the trouble with the link I provided was that it uses the ID_FS_LABEL, which most of the drives I've tested with don't have set |
| 09:20.59 | ectospasm | debdeb: it means you have to program automount to recognize and properly mount the drive |
| 09:21.09 | ectospasm | the udev method I presented doesn't require that at all |
| 09:21.16 | debdeb | hm ok |
| 09:21.27 | ectospasm | the only problem is if the disk doesn't have a label |
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| 09:21.44 | ectospasm | ...which is easy enough to set, but not quite 100% automatic |
| 09:21.55 | debdeb | nevermind. i will try it... and see, how far i get... thanks ectospasm |
| 09:22.12 | Trewas | quite weird that these kind of problems still exist, usb-stick automounting has always worked in ubuntu for example :) |
| 09:22.48 | ectospasm | Trewas: can't install Ubuntu desktop without Unity, or GNOME, can you? |
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| 09:22.59 | ectospasm | GNOME and KDE do this automatically in Debian, too |
| 09:23.03 | debdeb | ectospasm: hehe. right |
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| 09:23.21 | ectospasm | with other DEs (or no DE), it's not quite automatic unless you set it up that way |
| 09:23.28 | debdeb | Trewas: does it do this with ubuntu-server, too? |
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| 09:23.33 | debdeb | ;-) |
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| 09:24.47 | debdeb | but Trewas is a bit right... i would really prefer if such things could be done in fstab... without messing with udev |
| 09:25.13 | debdeb | especiallly when udev is replaced somtimes in the future |
| 09:25.13 | Onixs | compiled a driver that resulted to a "ko" file... backing up that "ko" for future use is enough or do i need to grab more files from the source? |
| 09:25.18 | Onixs | oops |
| 09:25.44 | ectospasm | debdeb: yeah, but then you have to list *every* disk by UUID, which isn't helpful. |
| 09:26.02 | debdeb | ectospasm: sometimes, yes |
| 09:26.03 | ectospasm | ...at least, unless your collection of USB disks remains relatively static |
| 09:27.21 | debdeb | oh btw... is it possible to do a "catch-all" rule if a rule for a stick is not present? |
| 09:28.08 | Onixs | any idea? |
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| 09:28.34 | debdeb | i mean: is it possible with udev to recognize, if a usb-mass-storage-device is inserted... and when no special rule is present for _that_ stick (by LABEL/UUID)... execute a skript? |
| 09:29.36 | debdeb | like a "catch-all"-rule in firewall ^^ |
| 09:29.55 | andreas | hi dudes ... im looking for a good backup application that can handle windows clients as well. Is bacula or amanda the way to go for that ? Lets say i need to backup 2 win08 servs and round about 20 clients |
| 09:30.13 | debdeb | andreas: backup-pc |
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| 09:30.25 | ectospasm | debdeb: read those scripts I linked you to... they do PRECISELY that, no need to know the UUID/LABEL beforhand |
| 09:30.39 | debdeb | ectospasm: okok ^^ |
| 09:31.06 | ectospasm | you could adapt them for the UUID |
| 09:31.30 | debdeb | but another little question about it: is it possible to do a "usb-firewall" with that? |
| 09:31.49 | ectospasm | I don't know what you mean by "usb-firewall" |
| 09:31.53 | andreas | can u give me a reason for that , well just i dont know what the benefit of backup-pc is |
| 09:32.15 | debdeb | like: do things with usb-devices only if they are listed in a whitelist... and else: do nothing... no driver-loading.. nothing |
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| 09:32.58 | ectospasm | debdeb: but then you might as well set up fstab + automount |
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| 09:33.19 | debdeb | andreas: it is a webbased backup-solution which works with windows-pc, too... as i remember |
| 09:34.07 | debdeb | ectospasm: this "usb-firewall" has nothing to do with the problem before |
| 09:34.43 | debdeb | ectospasm: i just would like to know, if it is possible |
| 09:34.51 | ectospasm | I don't know what you mean by "usb-firewall" |
| 09:35.01 | debdeb | i heve read the new kernel has something like that build in... a usb-firewall |
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| 09:35.30 | ectospasm | debdeb: you're terrible at providing definitions. |
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| 09:35.46 | debdeb | ectospasm: sorry :-) |
| 09:36.01 | debdeb | ectospasm: as said: no native speaker... but i will try |
| 09:36.17 | andreas | ok i will take a look at backup-pc thx debdeb |
| 09:36.55 | debdeb | ectospasm: does that not say, what i mean? "like: do things with usb-devices only if they are listed in a whitelist... and else: do nothing... no driver-loading.. nothing" |
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| 09:37.23 | ectospasm | debdeb: how does that have anything to do with "usb-firewall?" |
| 09:37.51 | debdeb | nowadays it is such that if you insert an usb-device... a lot of things are executed |
| 09:37.56 | debdeb | like driver loading |
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| 09:38.42 | ectospasm | so a "usb-firewall" prevents all that. |
| 09:38.43 | debdeb | and i would like it, if such things would just be executed, if the device is listed in a whitelist |
| 09:39.07 | ectospasm | debdeb: it would need to load enough to detect the device and see if it should be serviced |
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| 09:39.57 | debdeb | i think this is done allready |
| 09:40.38 | debdeb | before a driver is loaded... the system has to know, what a device it is |
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| 09:41.21 | debdeb | and exactly then it should ask the whitelist |
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| 09:42.26 | debdeb | ok, i will try an example |
| 09:42.43 | debdeb | a special usb-webcam |
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| 09:43.22 | debdeb | there are webcams, which stream automatically to somewhere else... as soon as they are inserted |
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| 09:44.30 | debdeb | if such a webcam is constructed as a spycam... that wouldnt be nice |
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| 09:44.46 | debdeb | and thats why such a whitelist may be helpful |
| 09:45.53 | Cristen | Hi everyone, my X server seems broken, gdm3 login panel shows up and behind it there's a green background. Whenever I input my login credentials a black screen shows up and nothing more. Any help on this please ? :) |
| 09:47.04 | E_T | Hi there anybody having an idea? Looking for a filesystem/technic that combines drives (like lvm) but tolerates loose of parts (disks). RAID is not an option - talking about more than 300TB data. |
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| 09:47.34 | debdeb | and there are even worse usb-devices |
| 09:47.44 | debdeb | i have seen a lecture about one |
| 09:47.54 | debdeb | it has malware in the firmware |
| 09:48.00 | ChrisH | E_T: hadoob (or how it is spelled)? |
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| 09:48.18 | debdeb | which is executed as soon as the device is inserted |
| 09:49.23 | theothertom | E_T/ChrisH: hadoop (http://hadoop.apache.org/) |
| 09:49.28 | debdeb | for example if you have let your laptop alone (logged out with password on screensafer)... maybe in a cafeehouse |
| 09:49.57 | debdeb | then a bad-guy comes along and does this like "usb-drive-by-hacking" |
| 09:50.01 | theothertom | E_T: what's your use case ? there are a few distributed filesystems |
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| 09:50.42 | E_T | ChisH: THX I will take a look at hadoop. R U having experiences with it ? My fist guess was glusterfs but seems to be kind of unstable
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| 09:51.02 | khem_ | Anyone had issues with wheezy PGP signatures while doing apt-get update? |
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| 09:51.22 | debdeb | and then a "usb-firewall" could be really "live-saving" ;-) |
| 09:51.27 | ectospasm | debdeb: wouldn't the webcam need hooks in the OS to transmit surreptitiously? |
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| 09:51.45 | ectospasm | ...hooks that are not likely to be in Debian |
| 09:52.11 | debdeb | hooks? |
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| 09:52.25 | E_T | theothertom: Use case is storage of video files (commercially). Storage will be growing endlessly. GlusterFS seems to be a lite bit ti unstable for productive use. |
| 09:52.30 | debdeb | if the OS executes the firmware automatically? |
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| 09:53.09 | theothertom | mogilefs might work for you then |
| 09:53.18 | ectospasm | debdeb: the firmware would have to have knowledge of the underlying OS |
| 09:53.26 | ChrisH | E_T: no experience with hadoop. If a non-Linux OS is an option I would vote for ZFS here |
| 09:53.29 | theothertom | there's also ceph (I may not be spelling that right) |
| 09:54.50 | theothertom | for stuff like storing video, I'd guess you don't need a POSIX filesystem |
| 09:55.07 | E_T | ChrisH: ZFS is definitely a good choice, but it has to be open (luckily :) |
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| 09:55.49 | ChrisH | for 300TB Filesystems need a way to avoid any kind of fsck upton bootup, or your business will be offline for a week or two |
| 09:56.03 | debdeb | ectospasm: i am not that deep into usb... but it doesnt matter... i have seen it... belive me... there is malware, which is executed automatically, when an usb-device is inserted |
| 09:56.25 | ectospasm | debdeb: I still think that would require a complicit OS |
| 09:56.30 | E_T | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.35 | debdeb | it was an lecture on last CCC-congress |
| 09:56.44 | debdeb | ectospasm: it was linux |
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| 09:57.00 | ectospasm | debdeb: that's like saying "It was UNIX" |
| 09:57.09 | marc_smith | debdeb: this may apply to the distros that actually comes with auto-mounting of devices by default |
| 09:57.12 | debdeb | ectospasm: even worse... it was the firmware of an usb-hdd |
| 09:57.41 | debdeb | no, it was not auto-mounting and executing something in the filesystem then |
| 09:57.45 | debdeb | it was the firmware |
| 09:57.47 | E_T | ChrisH: ChrisH: Thasts the point currently the company is running on LVM with 6 RAID6 JOBTs. Any disaster would throw us out of business at the moment |
| 09:57.50 | marc_smith | debdeb: in that case it doesn't matter what OS are you running |
| 09:57.58 | debdeb | marc_smith: right |
| 09:58.03 | ectospasm | debdeb: do you have a link that cites this research? |
| 09:58.28 | debdeb | the lectures of the ccc-congress are recorded |
| 09:58.42 | debdeb | it was in hamburg/germany las dezember |
| 09:58.45 | debdeb | last |
| 09:58.59 | ectospasm | right, and I'm not going to search for it. You made the claim, you search for me. |
| 09:59.00 | debdeb | look in www.ccc.de or congress.ccc.de |
| 09:59.10 | marc_smith | however, I do believe that firmware interacts with the software layer of your OS. |
| 09:59.24 | marc_smith | not the actual hardware |
| 09:59.25 | ectospasm | it has to |
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| 09:59.34 | debdeb | oh... the guy of the lecture did nice things |
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| 09:59.38 | marc_smith | firmware is a software, too |
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| 10:00.10 | debdeb | his firmware checks if the device is connected to the right machine... and if not... destroys the data on the hdd |
| 10:00.22 | debdeb | it was made a anti-forensic-firmware |
| 10:00.30 | marc_smith | maybe that USB carried some payload firmware that infects detected OS - whether it's windows or linux [or even mac] |
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| 10:01.02 | ChrisH | E_T: I saw it once and do not want to see it again. A Webshop (not a small one) was offline as the OS decided to run a full fsck on a switched cluster group while mounting it. Took hours to finish and was not interruptable. |
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| 10:01.11 | debdeb | but do you understand, why it might be hlpfull to have a "usb-firewall" if such things work? |
| 10:01.44 | marc_smith | debdeb: how would you like to implement such "firewall"? a sandbox? another machine? [intermediary?] |
| 10:01.58 | ChrisH | disable USB |
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| 10:02.17 | marc_smith | ChrisH: that'd be security through obscurity |
| 10:02.19 | debdeb | a whitelist... which is checked _before_ any driver is loaded and firmware is loaded/executed |
| 10:02.50 | mumpitze1 | firmware? from a usb hdd? which is executed by the host? bollocks |
| 10:02.55 | marc_smith | debdeb: hmm, that'd make sense, but still .. USB can send malformed data just before the actual auth |
| 10:02.56 | E_T | ChrisH: In my case even worse - I guess I would have to restore lvm metadata an an fsck on an 300 TB XFS. This would take days to weeks I guess. |
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| 10:03.25 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: the fix is not adding another shitty layer like you propose but to fix the usb stack |
| 10:03.31 | ChrisH | marc_smith: well it was not a real suggestion. But having a backup would reduce the risk |
| 10:03.31 | debdeb | mumpitze1: bollocks? |
| 10:03.41 | marc_smith | ChrisH: most certainly! |
| 10:03.44 | mumpitze1 | yes bollocks. big smelly bollocks |
| 10:04.07 | marc_smith | patch your shit and do your backups |
| 10:04.17 | E_T | ChrisH: This is why I considered glusterfs in an distributed setup. There would be no fsck over the whole filesystem only the nodes/bricks. |
| 10:05.11 | KerrMD | I'm trying to get my touchpad working properly. Certain functions are missing due to its, incorrectly, being seen as a PS/2 mouse by the kernel (3.2.0-4-amd64). How can I go about fixing this? I've been doing research and have yet to see anything that did not involve an AUR package for Arch. |
| 10:05.35 | ChrisH | E_T: depending on the business need, you should also consider HW doing the mirroring itself. But thats a decision needed to check the costs of "good and usefull" HW vs. the risk of not earning money. |
| 10:05.41 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: more info needed |
| 10:05.52 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: What info would that be? |
| 10:06.01 | debdeb | another shitty layer? as i remember there is such a thing in the kernel now. a "usb-firewall" |
| 10:06.07 | mumpitze1 | for example the hardware, what software you already found, etc. think before you type |
| 10:06.14 | mumpitze1 | and don't assume we are mindreaders |
| 10:06.57 | Cristen | mumpitze1 you aren't ? :( |
| 10:07.10 | mumpitze1 | I was, then I broke my crystal ball :( |
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| 10:07.19 | marc_smith | mumpitze1: which one? |
| 10:07.25 | Cristen | haha |
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| 10:07.56 | mumpitze1 | the big shiny one of course |
| 10:08.00 | E_T | ChrisH: That is my downside here - not enough money at all. so no backup - no mirror. i can only try to find the most stable cluster fs and pray |
| 10:08.04 | marc_smith | aah, uff! |
| 10:08.07 | theothertom | E_T: you might also get some useful ideas in ##infra-talk. There's a few in there who run pretty big asset stores |
| 10:08.36 | marc_smith | I tend to store my shiny balls in a safe place |
| 10:08.48 | E_T | thx I will get ask there as well! |
| 10:09.13 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: there is no reason to be rude. I'm a noob. The system is an updated install of Debian 7 "wheezy". I've installed gsynaptics. This is the nth distribution in which have faced this issue. AS far as hardware. http://pastebin.com/Xp494Ysr |
| 10:09.23 | theothertom | though my general advice (based mostly on what others have been complaining about) is to use a system that is more of an asset store than a full distributed FS |
| 10:09.31 | theothertom | it's far simpler to do |
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| 10:10.00 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: that's anything but the hardware. that is a log of a loaded driver which is useless. check lsusb or lspci |
| 10:10.18 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: and read what I wrote above more carefully |
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| 10:11.56 | ChrisH | E_T: then make sure to have pointed out the risk. |
| 10:12.06 | marc_smith | KerrMD: mumpitze1 is not rude. He just probobly thinks he's somewhat superior to others. That's a different thing |
| 10:12.07 | debdeb | this was the lecture: Writing a Thumbdrive from Scratch, Prototyping Active Disk Antiforensics: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/Fahrplan/events/5327.en.html |
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| 10:12.23 | E_T | i hope i did :) |
| 10:12.32 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: marc_smith perhaps but the two are not necesarrily mutually exclusive. |
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| 10:12.42 | debdeb | mumpitze1: marc_smith ectospasm |
| 10:12.50 | marc_smith | KerrMD: won't argue on that, sir |
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| 10:14.16 | E_T | theothertom: What exactly do you mean by asset store |
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| 10:16.07 | theothertom | rather than trying to make a system with a POSIX layer, so you just mount it as normal |
| 10:16.28 | theothertom | you have a system where you say "store this file/object/whatever" |
| 10:16.33 | ectospasm | debdeb: that doesn't have a link to the lecture |
| 10:16.37 | mumpitze1 | is still looking for a usb firewall in linux. google doesn't know about it apparently. and the only real usb attack I ever remember is the PS3 hack. hence: shitty stack |
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| 10:16.48 | KerrMD | it does not seem to show on lsusb nor lspci as far as I can see. I see everything but |
| 10:16.49 | debdeb | ectospasm: yeah.. i am searching |
| 10:16.50 | mumpitze1 | which was covered on CCC |
| 10:17.10 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: usually it's a usb device. pastebin the output please |
| 10:17.19 | theothertom | if you have something mounted as a general FS, there are a load of other bits that make it more complex. Locking for example |
| 10:17.29 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: or at least finally tell us what hardware it actually is. we are still guessing... |
| 10:17.51 | theothertom | think of something more like S3, if you've used that |
| 10:17.57 | KerrMD | pastebin.com/J8AmAHca |
| 10:18.02 | KerrMD | oops |
| 10:18.37 | KerrMD | www.pastebin.com/J8AmAHca |
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| 10:19.26 | KerrMD | The laptop is a Dell Inspiron 17R SE (7720) |
| 10:19.28 | debdeb | http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/29C3/mp4-h264-HQ/29c3-5327-en-writing_a_thumbdrive_from_scratch_h264.mp4 |
| 10:19.40 | E_T | theothertom: what would be example for a system like this? or would this base on homebrewed software ? |
| 10:19.42 | debdeb | cewood: |
| 10:19.45 | debdeb | ectospasm: |
| 10:20.01 | debdeb | cewood: soory for highlight |
| 10:20.29 | theothertom | E_T: http://code.google.com/p/mogilefs/ |
| 10:20.46 | debdeb | ectospasm: or better: http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/29C3/mp4-h264-HQ/29c3-5327-en-writing_a_thumbdrive_from_scratch_h264.mp4.torrent |
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| 10:20.53 | E_T | cheers |
| 10:21.19 | theothertom | IIRC, that's what last.fm use to store music |
| 10:21.37 | E_T | sounds sweet |
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| 10:21.51 | debdeb | such a thumbdrive... would be verry funny with TSA on airport |
| 10:22.03 | debdeb | hmm... or maybe not |
| 10:22.35 | E_T | theothertom: u got experience with it ? |
| 10:23.00 | xfire | help |
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| 10:23.27 | theothertom | I know people who do :) |
| 10:23.41 | marc_smith | debdeb: TSA don't know that "funny" term. They're dead serious and they want to get your stuff to see if you're a bearder terrorist, you know. |
| 10:23.48 | Cristen | I can't get past gdm3 login console, can anyone help me ? I just get a mouse cursor and a black screen help :o |
| 10:23.58 | E_T | are they satisfied ? |
| 10:24.11 | debdeb | marc_smith: yeah... but they nerve |
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| 10:24.28 | marc_smith | debdeb: TSA should be banned, lol |
| 10:24.30 | debdeb | err. _it_ nerve |
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| 10:24.51 | debdeb | my data.. _is_ my data... i am innocent |
| 10:24.54 | marc_smith | privacy destroyers, d'oh! |
| 10:24.59 | marc_smith | exactly |
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| 10:26.19 | theothertom | they seem pleased, though you'll need to do your own testing |
| 10:26.23 | marc_smith | generally speaking, you need to prove someone that he's guilty. That's how it works for ages. It worked pretty well, until USA decided it's BS |
| 10:26.49 | marc_smith | you are guilty because some people think you are guilty. |
| 10:26.58 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: two choices, http://www.dahetral.com/public-download/alps-psmouse-dlkm-for-3-2-and-3-5/view and compile the psmouse kernel module yourself via dkms or wait for a new kernel which has this included (you could try a 3.7 experimental kernel if it's already in there) |
| 10:27.01 | ectospasm | Cristen: if you choose a different desktop environment (DE), do you get any different behavior? Maybe choose something other than the default (which may be broken) |
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| 10:27.26 | E_T | thanks for that hint mogilefs sounds promising |
| 10:27.35 | ectospasm | or the default could be pointing at something nonexistent |
| 10:27.51 | mumpitze1 | marc_smith: it never has been like this. customs has peeked inside your stuff since forever. so does the taxman, etc |
| 10:27.55 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: I did not see a 3.7 but instead saw a 3.8 experimental kernel image. Which would be the safest bet... given I can compile properly? |
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| 10:28.18 | marc_smith | mumpitze1: define "forever". Forever is the roman law. That's how long it exist |
| 10:28.53 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: if it's a 3.8 now in experimental you can install that. you install it alongside your current 3.2. you test it and if it works: fine, if not: dpkg -r it again. or you compile the dkms |
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| 10:28.59 | marc_smith | and USA acts like a spoiled child here |
| 10:29.39 | KerrMD | thanks mum. nothing to do now but test |
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| 10:30.25 | mumpitze1 | romans certainly had no innocent until proven guilty. they had tarquinus superbus, killings of the gracchi and stuff however :P |
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| 10:30.59 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: the dkms is basically a psmouse replacement which should work from kernel 3.2 onwards |
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| 10:31.44 | marc_smith | mumpitze1: you're talking about the actual consequences of being sentenced and proved to be guilty. In this matter USA is comparable - death penalty is still active in some states, isn't it? |
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| 10:32.21 | KerrMD | Ok. I'm, off to find an updated initramfs-tools so that I can apt that image |
| 10:33.32 | mumpitze1 | Tiberius Gracchus never was sentenced. He and 300 supporters were beaten to death by their political opponents :) |
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| 10:33.43 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: what was the error? |
| 10:34.07 | marc_smith | mumpitze1: that happens everywhere, but it's not a "norm" ;) |
| 10:34.47 | KerrMD | mumpitzel http://pastebin.com/WpBArzP7 |
| 10:34.51 | mumpitze1 | the norm was that rome had torturers |
| 10:35.01 | KerrMD | danged 1's and l's |
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| 10:38.46 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: you can get a 3.7 from http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/?cat=l search for linux-image-3.7-trunk |
| 10:39.09 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: right, thanks a ton in advance |
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| 10:39.41 | mumpitze1 | that one shouldn't need a new initramfs-tools. at least I could install it to a wheezy not long ago, no dependencies needed |
| 10:39.54 | mumpitze1 | don#t forget to get the kernel-header package too |
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| 10:40.18 | KerrMD | Well, if I show up again using Mirc... heh |
| 10:41.14 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: the header would be the dbg package? |
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| 10:43.41 | donttrustem_ | guys I am in the crap I think ... I just did a mv on a driectory but nginx overwrote the contents ... is there anyway to get this back ... I have no backup for this |
| 10:43.43 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: nvm, used my brain to find the answer instead |
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| 10:45.15 | ectospasm | donttrustem_: you now see the power of backups. |
| 10:45.35 | Cristen | I can't start X server, I just get a blackscreen, a cursor and nothing else. |
| 10:45.36 | donttrustem_ | yeah ... I know but :( |
| 10:45.39 | Cristen | help :D |
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| 10:45.54 | donttrustem_ | ectospasm, is there a way to get it back |
| 10:46.16 | ectospasm | donttrustem_: that depends. Is it an ext? filesystem? |
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| 10:46.49 | donttrustem_ | hmm! ..debian squeeze on a VPS |
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| 10:47.34 | ectospasm | ,v extundelete |
| 10:47.35 | judd | Package: extundelete on i386 -- sid: 0.2.0-2.1; wheezy: 0.2.0-2.1 |
| 10:48.03 | donttrustem_ | it ext3 |
| 10:48.15 | debdeb | oh... does this undelete work with ext3/4 |
| 10:48.17 | debdeb | ? |
| 10:48.44 | ectospasm | debdeb: apparently |
| 10:49.02 | donttrustem_ | ectospasm, so apt-get install extundelete |
| 10:49.25 | ectospasm | debdeb: actually, yes, I used it some time ago to restore a file I deleted accidentally on purpose |
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| 10:49.31 | debdeb | _nice_ |
| 10:49.37 | ectospasm | donttrustem_: well, it doesn't look like it's in squeeze |
| 10:49.52 | debdeb | i thought until now, it is only possible with ext2 |
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| 10:50.02 | donttrustem_ | yeah ..just found out .. |
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| 10:50.28 | donttrustem_ | ectospasm, what else is there ... I am going to be dead |
| 10:50.55 | donttrustem_ | its a bloody website :( |
| 10:51.04 | ectospasm | donttrustem_: I don't know. Unless you had a backup, the files are lost |
| 10:51.16 | ectospasm | ...on a VPS, it gets stickier |
| 10:51.16 | donttrustem_ | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! |
| 10:51.40 | Cristen | that's what Luke said |
| 10:51.45 | ectospasm | see if you're hosting provider |
| 10:51.53 | ectospasm | ...has a recent snapshot of the VPS |
| 10:52.03 | donttrustem_ | ah yes they do :) |
| 10:52.04 | ectospasm | ...though that's a long shot |
| 10:52.14 | ectospasm | great (-; |
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| 10:53.11 | debdeb | right.. ext4: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/extundelete |
| 10:53.28 | ectospasm | debdeb: don't take my word for it (-; |
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| 10:55.46 | ChrisH | ,v recover |
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| 10:55.47 | judd | Package: recover on i386 -- sid: 1.3c-11; squeeze: 1.3c-11; wheezy: 1.3c-11 |
| 10:55.59 | ChrisH | workd for ext2 only from the description |
| 10:56.12 | debdeb | but no manpage on http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=extundelete&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+testing+wheezy&format=html&locale=en |
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| 10:59.56 | debdeb | btw. what is the line with it? if you deleted a file. switch the power-off-button imediately or shutdown normally? |
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| 11:00.52 | babilen | donttrustem_: First and foremost: Create an image of the disk (the actual block device) with cp or dd and work on this image for recovery. The longer you use that filesystem the more likely it is that data marked as "free" is overwritten with new data. |
| 11:01.15 | Iridos | extundelete is for stuff with journal |
| 11:01.15 | KerrMD | Ok, who stole linux-headers-3.7-trunk-common ? =P I can find 3.6 and 3.8. |
| 11:01.17 | babilen | donttrustem_: It is also unlikely that you get all your data back. |
| 11:01.37 | babilen | KerrMD: They are outdated and no longer on the mirrors. You can find old packages on snapshots |
| 11:01.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell KerrMD -about snapshots |
| 11:01.55 | Towzzer | and isn't 3.7 a development version |
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| 11:02.15 | KerrMD | Yes |
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| 11:02.39 | babilen | KerrMD: And I am also not sure where you are seeing 3.6 -- Mind sharing the output of "apt-cache policy linux-headers-3.6-trunk-common" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:02.59 | KerrMD | I was searching via google since apt-cache was not being nice |
| 11:03.16 | Iridos | and extundelete works rather uncannily well on removed files (i.e. unlinked with rm). doubt about what you'd see for files that have been overwritten |
| 11:03.25 | babilen | KerrMD: Well, in short: Use 3.2 or 3.8 |
| 11:03.36 | mumpitze1 | KerrMD: why not use http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-headers-3.7-trunk-amd64/ ? |
| 11:03.55 | babilen | mumpitze1: Because it is outdated, unmaintained and shouldn't be used anymore? |
| 11:03.59 | KerrMD | babilen: I'll go 3.4 but lack the initramfs reqiurement. 3.2 has a bug which has my touchpad seena s a PS/2 mouse |
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| 11:04.30 | babilen | KerrMD: What's the bug number? |
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| 11:04.44 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: Thanks. I had gotten there just before. |
| 11:04.57 | mumpitze1 | then use http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-headers-3.7-trunk-common/ |
| 11:05.06 | babilen | KerrMD: What about 3.8? That kernel is at least maintained? |
| 11:05.16 | babilen | s/?$/!/ |
| 11:05.16 | debdeb | thats why i use an alias for rm... mv -> $MOUNTPOINT/.Trash/ |
| 11:05.20 | mumpitze1 | babilen: that needs a new initramfs-tools version |
| 11:05.30 | KerrMD | Thanks mumpitze1 |
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| 11:05.46 | debdeb | and else use wipe |
| 11:05.54 | mumpitze1 | and 3.7 is a short and easy test if the psmouse problem for his touchpad is fixed |
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| 11:06.07 | babilen | mumpitze1: Whatfor? |
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| 11:06.48 | mumpitze1 | he has a dell ALPS touchpad which isn't recognized properly by linux. there has been some recent work on it however. so maybe it's in mainline now or he has to compile his own psmouse.ko |
| 11:06.50 | KerrMD | mumpitze1: I loaded into the kernel and it still sits as it was. Although I am sure there could be something to be done to get the system to reinspect the hardware. I DID have a complaint about missing firmware. I think it was for the lan |
| 11:07.06 | babilen | mumpitze1: Why is 3.8 not an option? |
| 11:07.57 | mumpitze1 | it is, but it needs dependencies which 3.7 doesn't. so it's easier to install via dpkg and no additional dependencies needed to uninstall if it's not fixing the issue |
| 11:08.15 | mumpitze1 | notably initramfs-tools 0.111 |
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| 11:09.00 | babilen | 3.7 is no longer maintained and has to be manually installed from snapshots .. I fail to see how that is a better option, but pray continue. You've obviously been debugging this issue for longer. It would still be nice to get a reference to the actual bug report though. |
| 11:10.17 | mumpitze1 | babilen: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162762/touchpad-scrolling-on-dell-inspiron-17r-se-n7220 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/606238 dunno of any debian specific reports. the issue is the same across all distros however |
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| 11:10.20 | babilen | mumpitze1: Seriously, installing the 3.8 kernel is as easy as "apt-get install linux-headers-3.8-trunk-amd64" |
| 11:10.32 | mumpitze1 | and a fix/workaround is http://www.dahetral.com/public-download/alps-psmouse-dlkm-for-3-2-and-3-5/view |
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| 11:10.53 | donttrustem_ | babilen, itś one dir :S |
| 11:10.57 | mumpitze1 | babilen: at which point apt balks with a initramfs-tools dependency issue |
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| 11:11.44 | babilen | mumpitze1: Okay, make it "apt-get -t experimental install linux-headers-3.8-trunk-amd64" then |
| 11:12.03 | babilen | sighs at Ubuntu bug reports |
| 11:12.49 | babilen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679750 is the Debian one |
| 11:15.01 | babilen | Would be nice to mention the fixes in that report too -- Unfortunately too late now for wheezy :-/ |
| 11:15.11 | KerrMD | ack.. have to install gcc-4.7 just to get 3.8 kernel |
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| 11:15.39 | KerrMD | thanks you two, babilen mumpitze1 |
| 11:15.46 | KerrMD | brb perhaps |
| 11:16.22 | babilen | judd: why linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 gcc-4.7 --release experimental |
| 11:16.27 | judd | No dependency chain found between packages linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 and gcc-4.7 in experimental/i386. |
| 11:16.38 | babilen | judd: why linux-headers-3.8-trunk-amd64 gcc-4.7 --release experimental |
| 11:16.40 | judd | Packages linux-headers-3.8-trunk-amd64 and gcc-4.7 in experimental/i386 are linked by 1 chains: linux-headers-3.8-trunk-amd64 ▶ gcc-4.7 |
| 11:16.55 | babilen | judd: v gcc-4.7 |
| 11:16.56 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on i386 -- sid: 4.7.2-5; wheezy: 4.7.2-5; experimental: 4.7.3-2 |
| 11:17.10 | babilen | is not sure why that is a problem though ... but then *meh* |
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| 11:22.46 | debdeb | btw. what is the line with it? if you deleted a file. switch the power-off-button imediately or shutdown normally? <- or remount read-only? |
| 11:23.05 | debdeb | and: what happend if i remount / as readonly? |
| 11:23.10 | debdeb | happens |
| 11:23.30 | ectospasm | I had to unmount the volume, which meant dropping to single user mode |
| 11:23.59 | debdeb | extundelete seems to work on read-only mounted partitions |
| 11:24.02 | ectospasm | ...IIRC the file was in /root, on the / filesystem |
| 11:24.41 | ectospasm | or was it my /home partition? |
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| 11:24.46 | ectospasm | I can't remember |
| 11:24.46 | Alamo777 | hello all |
| 11:24.48 | debdeb | did you shutdown normally or switched off? |
| 11:24.59 | ectospasm | debdeb: init 1 |
| 11:25.11 | debdeb | ok |
| 11:25.21 | Iridos | iirc, you can run extundelete on a mounted partition as well |
| 11:25.30 | Alamo777 | i am trying to setup nginx to Debian, i am newwbie, so i install it successfully now i want to install php-fpm, please tell me should i use debian repo or dotdeb? please? |
| 11:25.34 | Iridos | only don't write recovered files to that partition... obviously |
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| 11:26.01 | Towzzer | alamo, I'm going to tell you dotdeb but others here are going to get mad at me |
| 11:26.54 | Alamo777 | i read on one blog that it messup everything, and now i am not sure what to do, please anyone tell me which way is better, Towzzer tell me why dotdep and not the factory repoo/. |
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| 11:26.58 | Alamo777 | *repo |
| 11:27.18 | debdeb | i am thinking about an alias at the moment... which remounts read-only immediatly and restores all files which are deleted the last hour to a remote machine... waits for user-ok and remount read-write then |
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| 11:27.28 | Towzzer | later versions of software |
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| 11:27.35 | debdeb | an "emergency-undelete"-alias ;-) |
| 11:28.09 | Alamo777 | Towzzer, is it stabile to use on squeeze? or it will crash my server? i am going to run a forum on it later |
| 11:28.24 | Towzzer | I have used dotdeb on production squeeze servers |
| 11:28.27 | Towzzer | with nginx and php-fqm |
| 11:28.30 | Towzzer | with no problems |
| 11:28.45 | Alamo777 | Towzzer, should i use dotdeb? |
| 11:28.51 | Towzzer | yes. |
| 11:28.59 | babilen | Towzzer: Feel free to support it in a dotdeb channel then :) |
| 11:29.06 | Towzzer | god no, that piece of shit is so buggy |
| 11:29.15 | Towzzer | I'd spend hours supporting it |
| 11:29.31 | Alamo777 | Towzzer, if it is buggy why you suggest me to use that? |
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| 11:30.28 | babilen | Alamo777: The better alternative IMHO is to simply use wheezy at this point and use the Debian packages. We (i.e. Debian and #debian) do not support dotdeb and you have to ask them for support. See <install wheezy> for information on how to install wheezy (/msg dpkg install wheezy) -- You can also take a look at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:30.56 | debdeb | but it would be nice to know what happens if i remount / read-only and if its possible |
| 11:31.10 | babilen | Towzzer: Please do /not/ recommend dotdeb in here ... I guess it's okay to mention it, but their packages are really not supported by us |
| 11:31.47 | Alamo777 | babilen, thanks, what is wheezy? Is it going to work with nginx? does it include php packages? |
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| 11:33.48 | debdeb | ah... a syrq-u would help, too ^^ |
| 11:35.11 | debdeb | which brings me to the next... does sysrq-u work through a ssh-connection or just on the keyboard on the machine? |
| 11:35.16 | Alamo777 | oh it is a package, i have squeeze installed, i am not going to change it. |
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| 11:36.45 | mumpitze1 | Alamo777: wheezy is the version of debian after squeeze. if all goes well it will be released this week |
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| 11:37.20 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, ok thank you, so what repo for php-fpm do you use for debian squeeze? |
| 11:38.39 | mumpitze1 | Alamo777: as you've already been told: switch to wheezy |
| 11:38.56 | mumpitze1 | it would be php5-fpm btw |
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| 11:39.14 | Alamo777 | what pho version have squeeze? |
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| 11:39.17 | Alamo777 | *php |
| 11:39.34 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, and what python version has wheezy? |
| 11:39.44 | mumpitze1 | ,versions python |
| 11:39.45 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; sid: 2.7.3-4; wheezy: 2.7.3-4; experimental: 2.7.3-13 |
| 11:39.59 | jelly | Alamo777: /msg judd versions php5 |
| 11:40.18 | Alamo777 | and should i use nginx repo for nginx? |
| 11:40.49 | mumpitze1 | you are in #debian. what do you think which repo we advocate? |
| 11:41.01 | Alamo777 | where can i download iso for wheezy? |
| 11:41.05 | Alamo777 | i have x64 |
| 11:41.09 | Alamo777 | processor |
| 11:41.19 | themill | steals Alamo777's enter key |
| 11:41.43 | Alamo777 | ? |
| 11:41.47 | mumpitze1 | !enter |
| 11:41.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 11:42.00 | themill | dpkg: tell Alamo777 about install wheezy |
| 11:43.17 | Alamo777 | wow it is all automated here i can see, cosmic technologies! |
| 11:43.20 | mumpitze1 | Alamo777: aren't you already running squeeze? if so, why not simply upgrade? |
| 11:43.34 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, i dont know how to upgrade to wheezy |
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| 11:45.05 | mumpitze1 | !tell Alamo777 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:45.36 | mumpitze1 | debian users have a pathological fear of (re)installing debian. they install it once and from then on only ever upgrade |
| 11:46.37 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, i dont have a fear, but i dont want everything to mess up, i am doing this first time in my life |
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| 11:47.26 | debdeb | *g* right... but the opposite is ubuntu... they want every upgrade they get... and are messed up regularily |
| 11:47.44 | debdeb | ;-) |
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| 11:49.05 | Alamo777 | debdeb, trolling ubuntu users? :)) |
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| 11:49.35 | debdeb | just my life-experience ^^ |
| 11:50.28 | mumpitze1 | Alamo777: the install I type this from whas created in 2005. that's normal for debian users. typically, I install debian when I use a new harddisk and never again |
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| 11:50.38 | mumpitze1 | from then on only upgrading is needed |
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| 11:51.32 | Mattix | Hello |
| 11:51.46 | Mattix | how do you safely "uninstall" an external hard disk in Debian? |
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| 11:51.59 | debdeb | but debian-stable as a roling-release whould have a few good points, too IMHO |
| 11:52.03 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, i have already install 3-6 debians on my virtualbox right now, testing, learning, installing stuff, and now it is time for real world server, but now i am not sure what to do update/install wheezy, use squeeeze with php-fpm from dotdeb, or change to centOS? |
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| 11:52.34 | Mattix | I can umount it, but is it safe to remove the cable now? it's still working, you can feel it moving |
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| 11:52.40 | debdeb | Mattix: it depends |
| 11:52.48 | apecross | @mattix, what do you mean? |
| 11:52.55 | Mattix | what is not clear? |
| 11:53.00 | debdeb | in a raid? |
| 11:53.08 | Mattix | no, it's an external hard disk |
| 11:53.15 | Mattix | and I want to remove it now |
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| 11:53.22 | debdeb | external could be raid |
| 11:53.23 | apecross | if the disk is unmounted, you can remove it |
| 11:53.35 | Alamo777 | i have another question thought, i have an old p4 and i want to install debian on it and use as a home server for programming and learning stuff, but when i turn of the computer or internet and turn back again my ip address is changing for that computer, how i can know the ipaddress so i could remotely connect to it with putty ot ssh? |
| 11:53.37 | Mattix | well, this one is just a normal hard disk from a laptop, inside a USB3 case |
| 11:53.40 | apecross | the sound you hear is just the spinning |
| 11:53.42 | debdeb | normally yes... if unmounted, it should be safe |
| 11:53.59 | Mattix | apecross, yep, it's still spinning.. |
| 11:54.04 | jelly | Mattix: first, note the device name (eg. /dev/sdc). Then umount it, then echo 1 > /sys/block/sdc/device/delete |
| 11:54.09 | Mattix | so you mean the heads are already "parked"? |
| 11:54.22 | jelly | Mattix: the delete action should make it spin down |
| 11:54.27 | apecross | the disk is always spinning when connected to power |
| 11:54.27 | Mattix | let's see |
| 11:54.32 | jelly | apecross: incorrect |
| 11:54.37 | ectospasm | Mattix: umount <mountpoint> or umount /dev/<device> |
| 11:54.38 | invariant | Mattix, if it is not in the mount output, it is safe to remove it. |
| 11:54.53 | debdeb | Alamo777: which ip? the one you get from your provider? then such things like dyndns |
| 11:54.57 | invariant | Mattix,mount is a command, in case you did not know that. |
| 11:54.58 | apecross | really? |
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| 11:55.03 | Mattix | >_> |
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| 11:55.07 | Alamo777 | debdeb, yes my ips provider. |
| 11:55.17 | Mattix | <Mattix> *I can umount it*, but is it safe... |
| 11:55.18 | Alamo777 | i have a switch and connected 2 computers to it |
| 11:55.20 | jelly | invariant: incorrect as well, disks lie about writing stuff down to the platter |
| 11:55.29 | Alamo777 | but when i on/off them they changing ips |
| 11:55.32 | apecross | I didn't know about the echo option |
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| 11:55.58 | Alamo777 | it is not convenient for me each time plug a monitor and check for ip address of that machine |
| 11:55.59 | jelly | Mattix: umounting is safe. Disconnecting is safe after it spun down and the kernel cleaned up its state. |
| 11:56.03 | invariant | jelly, and that echo option does solve that? |
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| 11:56.10 | jelly | invariant: indeed |
| 11:56.29 | invariant | jelly, what a retarded concept, and very smart of you that you know that. |
| 11:56.31 | apecross | how recent is this practice? |
| 11:56.32 | debdeb | Alamo777: then install dyndns or such |
| 11:56.38 | Mattix | jelly, yeah, that's what I thought, it's a better idea to delete the device first |
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| 11:56.50 | jelly | invariant: windows has "safely disconnect" as well |
| 11:56.53 | Mattix | but for some reason debian doesn't do so automatically |
| 11:56.56 | Alamo777 | it gives the ip address automatically when computers on |
| 11:56.59 | Mattix | (it does with usb drives) |
| 11:57.04 | apecross | it is a bit paranoic imho |
| 11:57.08 | Alamo777 | debdeb, install it where? |
| 11:57.18 | Alamo777 | on debian machine? |
| 11:57.22 | apecross | so what about usb devices? |
| 11:57.25 | debdeb | Alamo777: it gives you a dns-name... and the ip for it is changed automatically... so you can just connect to the dns-name, which is allways the same |
| 11:57.34 | Mattix | apecross, it's umounted and removed automatically |
| 11:57.43 | Mattix | usb devices ^ |
| 11:57.44 | invariant | jelly, where is it specified that umount is unsafe? |
| 11:57.52 | Alamo777 | debdeb, interesting, where i can read about it? |
| 11:57.59 | debdeb | Alamo777: look which one you want to use first |
| 11:58.02 | invariant | jelly, or that only your combination is safe? |
| 11:58.09 | Alamo777 | debdeb, what you mean? |
| 11:58.22 | apecross | when you unmount with the gui, what is the system doing actually? |
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| 11:58.29 | debdeb | search on the web for "dyndns" |
| 11:58.50 | Alamo777 | debdeb, should i install the dyndns on my debian machine? |
| 11:58.57 | jelly | invariant: dunno; likewise, it's not specified that consumer devices lie about their dirty write cache, either |
| 11:59.02 | Alamo777 | because i am not goin to root each time to main machine is that ok? |
| 11:59.11 | debdeb | Alamo777: to get a clue... then search in debian, which package/client uses which dyndns-provider |
| 11:59.14 | jelly | invariant: however, they do |
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| 11:59.30 | invariant | jelly, if I would have an issue because of something like that, I would return the device. |
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| 11:59.40 | Mattix | so # echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/delete, and it's still spinning :P |
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| 12:00.03 | Alamo777 | debdeb, now quite understand everything, but thanks , will try to figure it out myself with dyndns |
| 12:00.09 | Alamo777 | *not |
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| 12:00.23 | Mattix | any other idea jelly ? |
| 12:00.30 | debdeb | Alamo777: you will get it working ;-) |
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| 12:00.53 | jelly | Mattix: investigate dmesg output, see if anything changed after the deletion, and see if the device got reactivated immediately (by gnome's helper polling tools, for example) |
| 12:01.02 | Snobian | How can I detect if my system is running using NPTL or OLT? |
| 12:01.02 | Mattix | I don't see it anymore so I can't mount it again, but it's still spinning |
| 12:01.14 | debdeb | Alamo777: btw... some routers use dyndns, too... you maybe dont need to install it on debian |
| 12:01.22 | jelly | Mattix: then you've done all you could |
| 12:01.24 | Raha | hi |
| 12:01.57 | Raha | can i ask what is your application to use this irc? |
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| 12:02.07 | Mattix | nothing in dmsg :| |
| 12:02.13 | Raha | how? |
| 12:02.18 | Mattix | ok, disconnected....... |
| 12:02.19 | debdeb | Raha: irssi |
| 12:02.28 | Snobian | I just noted that my multthreaded app is running with all threads having the same PID, which indicates OLT, but my system admin still thinks it is NPTL. Any suggestions? |
| 12:02.54 | Raha | thaks |
| 12:02.55 | Snobian | Could there be something wrong with busybox htop listing the PIDs? |
| 12:04.47 | Alamo777 | debdeb, is it possible to write a script on python which will send to my e-mail/irc the ip address of that machine so before system boot and password prompt appear? |
| 12:04.48 | Raha | debdeb i install it now but how it works? |
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| 12:05.28 | debdeb | Raha: man irssi |
| 12:05.42 | debdeb | Alamo777: yes |
| 12:05.49 | debdeb | ;-) |
| 12:05.50 | jelly | Mattix: fwiw, that spins down most if not all SATA, eSATA and USB2 disks I've seen |
| 12:06.09 | Alamo777 | debdeb, wow, that is super, how can i do that? is there any manual or a ready script for me? |
| 12:06.12 | Alamo777 | :) |
| 12:07.04 | debdeb | Alamo777: other persons have had the same problem like you. so yes... there exist manuals and scripts |
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| 12:07.33 | Alamo777 | debdeb, any keywords ideas for search for that thing would be apreciated:) |
| 12:07.47 | debdeb | Alamo777: dyndns, e-mail |
| 12:07.56 | debdeb | +script |
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| 12:08.28 | Alamo777 | debdeb, i thought it would me something bash+bootup+email+script |
| 12:08.32 | debdeb | Alamo777: but... you dont need the ip |
| 12:08.49 | debdeb | Alamo777: the dns-name is allways the same |
| 12:08.50 | Alamo777 | debdeb, if i dont have the ip how i am going to connect it remotely? |
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| 12:09.24 | Alamo777 | one more thing if i directly ping from one computer to another without switch throught internet it is not pinging |
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| 12:09.56 | debdeb | Alamo777: through dns-name... if you: ping alamo777-machine.dyndns-provider.org it is not necessary to know the ip |
| 12:10.25 | Alamo777 | oh ok, i will try it jjust a moment |
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| 12:30.12 | Alamo777 | debdeb, what should be do in dyndns dear debdeb? |
| 12:30.50 | abrotman | they have documentation? |
| 12:30.55 | debdeb | Alamo777: hm? |
| 12:31.27 | Alamo777 | debdeb, alamo777-machine.dyndns-provider.org in the place of dydns? |
| 12:31.34 | debdeb | Alamo777: search for: howto linux dyndns |
| 12:32.05 | debdeb | or -linux if your router can do it |
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| 12:32.43 | debdeb | Alamo777: do you use an router? |
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| 12:33.16 | Towzzer | debdeb is the offspring of dotdeb |
| 12:33.21 | Alamo777 | debdeb, there is a thing i dont know what it is it is optical some thing hanging on the wall, i have 2 LAN ports connected to each of my pc |
| 12:33.49 | Alamo777 | debdeb, so i a, struggling and dont know how to ping one machine from another |
| 12:33.51 | debdeb | oh god |
| 12:34.03 | debdeb | sorry |
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| 12:34.45 | mumpitze1 | Alamo777: typically #networking is a better place to ask this question |
| 12:34.59 | Alamo777 | ok thanks! sorry for flooding the channel |
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| 12:36.57 | debdeb | Alamo777: find out, if you are using a router... if no: ask again. if yes: find out, if that router can use an dyndns-provider... if no: come back... if yes: find out how you can configure it to use it |
| 12:37.11 | Mattix | jelly, and do you know why debian is not deleting it automatically? |
| 12:37.33 | Alamo777 | debdeb, copy that. |
| 12:37.35 | Mattix | it does with normal usb devices |
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| 12:38.17 | kleanchap | how do I setup the ufw firewall to be enabled every time I reboot? |
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| 12:38.56 | debdeb | kleanchap: as i remember it comes with a init-skript |
| 12:39.33 | debdeb | kleanchap: if yes: search how init-skripts are activated for every boot |
| 12:40.17 | kleanchap | debdeb: Thnx I will look it up. |
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| 12:46.40 | jelly | Mattix: no idea, could be an incomplete driver or the device doesn't follow the specs |
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| 12:48.33 | debdeb | uhhh i am so dumb... |
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| 12:49.26 | debdeb | trying to do a sysrq through ssh... shouldnt be done from a machine, which can do sysrq itself |
| 12:49.41 | Zharf | debdeb, hahaha |
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| 12:50.24 | debdeb | you could see me self-facepalm now ^^ |
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| 12:51.27 | dzan | hi, compiling something i get stuk with zlib.h not found, I tried installing a bunch of zlib packages ( also -dev for headers ) without success, any idea? |
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| 12:52.21 | debdeb | what is "mode/#debian [+l 1379]" |
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| 12:54.18 | debdeb | a "echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger" is better for that ^^ |
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| 12:54.54 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: the mode command is there to prevent mass flooding by bots |
| 12:55.21 | debdeb | ok |
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| 13:03.42 | ChrisH | dzan: apt-file search zlib.h showed me: zlib1g-dev: /usr/include/zlib.h |
| 13:04.05 | dzan | ChrisH, I installed that |
| 13:04.15 | dzan | and find / -name "zlib.h" shows me |
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| 13:05.24 | ChrisH | dzan: rerun autoconf or whatover you do to detect the lib. otherwise show more on paste.debian.net |
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| 13:06.03 | mumpitze1 | dzan: ./configure will give you a log. in the log you usually see what went wrong |
| 13:06.35 | andreas | hi guys .. im using vpn and ftp right now and everytime i connect i get : unknown command >>ssl:ca-file<<. what does this mean ? |
| 13:07.04 | dzan | mumpitze1, ChrisH yeah I know about configure :) it doesn't indicate whats missing to me, i'll pastebin |
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| 13:07.29 | dzan | http://paste.debian.net/1294/ |
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| 13:08.52 | ChrisH | dzan: no errors in configure and where does it fail? |
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| 13:09.11 | dzan | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/wHh7bdcE |
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| 13:12.16 | ChrisH | dzan: no lines before line 1? Did you try to add -I/usr/include just to be sure |
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| 13:12.44 | mumpitze1 | dzan: I didn't say anything about configure output but a log. there is a file config*.log there |
| 13:12.45 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 13:12.45 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 13:13.46 | dzan | ChrisH, the whole thing: http://paste.debian.net/1301/ |
| 13:13.54 | dzan | mumpitze1, i'll check |
| 13:14.16 | mumpitze1 | dzan: no need, as your configure run isn't erroring at all like you wrote |
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| 13:15.02 | dzan | ok |
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| 13:29.45 | pixy | scripts in rcX.d directory are called in order, that's why they are re-named with as SXX ? |
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| 13:31.22 | themill | pixy: yes |
| 13:31.33 | babilen | pixy: yes, but you shouldn't have to take care of the order yourself. Debian uses insserv these days to calculate the order based on the <lsb tags> in the init scripts. |
| 13:31.57 | babilen | pixy: Oh, and see "/msg dpkg insserv" in addition to the lsb tags :) |
| 13:32.28 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, ok i upgraded to wheezy? now can i install php-fpm directly without any fears? |
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| 13:32.44 | babilen | judd: v php5-fpm |
| 13:32.45 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.4-14; sid: 5.4.4-15; experimental: 5.5.0~beta4-1 |
| 13:32.51 | babilen | Alamo777: ^^^ yes |
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| 13:34.00 | babilen | Alamo777: Well, installing anything PHP related would cause /me/ to panic, but you should be able to install the Debian package just fine. |
| 13:34.03 | pixy | babilen: well i have my own script in etc/init.d and i don't know about LSB, it must be run at a specific point , trying to figure out ... will chk LSB and insserv |
| 13:34.10 | pixy | thnx |
| 13:34.11 | ChrisH | dzan: My last step before checking line 23 in xg_private.c would be a make clean or similar and rerun |
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| 13:35.08 | Alamo777 | babilen, how should i install the php-fpm to not miss all php necessary packages to run forum? |
| 13:35.09 | dzan | ChrisH, I did so |
| 13:35.13 | babilen | pixy: You essentially declare dependencies of the script in question (e.g. "needs network" and so on) -- Take a look at existing scripts, read <missing lsb tags> and run insserv to regenerate the symlinks based on the new infromation |
| 13:35.52 | babilen | Alamo777: AFAICT there is no php-fpm package in Debian |
| 13:36.07 | pixy | babilen: i.c ... btw : other than changing the SXX do i need to do anything about update-rc.d ? i need my script to run before gdm3 |
| 13:36.40 | babilen | pixy: You neither shouldn't nor have to change the SXX manually. They are generated automagically by insserv. |
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| 13:37.13 | donttrustem_ | babilen, snapshot has been restoered form me so I can ge the files back |
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| 13:37.28 | donttrustem_ | how do I fix this problem insserv: warning: script 'K01php-fastcgi' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 13:37.39 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 13:37.40 | pixy | babilen: yes but as i dont use LSB, the current order is not good for me, it works after gdm, it's just a user configuration script, i'm customizing a liveCD |
| 13:37.41 | Alamo777 | babilen, aptitude php-fpm? what is this? |
| 13:37.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell donttrustem_ -about missing lsb tags |
| 13:37.54 | donttrustem_ | also will it cause mw a problem on reboot |
| 13:38.26 | babilen | donttrustem_: Where did you get that init script from? How did you install php fastcgi? |
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| 13:38.53 | pixy | donttrustem_: we are talking about a similar thing :) u should use LSB in your scripts, it contains some script standarization tags at the beginning |
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| 13:39.14 | pixy | donttrustem_: not a must though i guess |
| 13:39.21 | babilen | Alamo777: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy php-fpm" to http://paste.debian.net please? You can install php5-fpm by running "apt-get install php5-fpm" or "aptitude install php5-fpm" |
| 13:39.26 | invariant | How can I write to stdout the default contents of a configuration file? |
| 13:39.45 | donttrustem_ | OK . I can fix it later I just want to know if it is OK to reboot me server |
| 13:39.53 | invariant | A tool which would be able to do this for multiple OSs would be even better. |
| 13:39.53 | Quest | I need a biomatrix (finger / thumb impression) tool on which employees put thumbs and the time and their id no. name etc comes on screen and is also feeded for HR and their pay calculation purposes. My question is that what model / make should I buy that also supports Linux OS and can be operated by open source softwares. 2. are there any open source softwares that do it (for linux and windows) ? |
| 13:40.00 | babilen | donttrustem_: What does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/php-fastcgi" give you? |
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| 13:40.24 | Alamo777 | babilen, it says unable to locate package php-fpm |
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| 13:40.31 | donttrustem_ | returns nothing |
| 13:40.36 | babilen | donttrustem_: It is /not/ okay to reboot it as your init scripts are missing vital information. |
| 13:40.47 | babilen | donttrustem_: How did you install php fastcgi? |
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| 13:40.54 | babilen | donttrustem_: Where is that init script from? |
| 13:40.58 | donttrustem_ | apt |
| 13:40.58 | invariant | Quest, are you building an evil empire? |
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| 13:41.23 | Quest | invariant, yes. thats called a company with employees |
| 13:41.57 | donttrustem_ | babilen, deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
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| 13:42.11 | babilen | Alamo777: The name of the package is php5-fpm not php-fpm -- You said "how should i install the php-fpm to not miss all php necessary packages to run forum?" earlier and I was curious why you think that there is a php5-fpm package. I also don't know what other packages your forum might require. |
| 13:42.13 | donttrustem_ | I added this to my sources |
| 13:42.56 | donttrustem_ | I really need to reboot the server to mount the recovey disk image so I can restore files :( |
| 13:42.57 | themill | invariant: once you convince all other OSs to adopt the .deb format and use apt repositories, you'll be able to make a cross-OS tool for that job. |
| 13:42.58 | babilen | donttrustem_: Then ask dotdeb for support -- We /do not/ support their packages or init scripts in here. fwiw, there are fastcgi packages in Debian IIRC |
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| 13:43.30 | Alamo777 | babilen, oh i see, now it says installed : (none) candidate 5.4.4.14 version table: 5.4.4-14 0 500 htto://ftp.us.debian.org/......... |
| 13:43.34 | invariant | themill, a deb specific solution would also be good. |
| 13:43.35 | donttrustem_ | if there is a debian one please tell me I will install it |
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| 13:44.03 | invariant | themill, and faster is better. |
| 13:44.12 | babilen | pixy: Okay, does your script have any other requirements? (does it have to access filesystems? the network?) |
| 13:44.28 | pixy | babilen: file system yes ! |
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| 13:45.00 | babilen | judd: v libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 13:45.01 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-fastcgi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 2.4.6-1; sid/non-free: 2.4.7~0910052141-1; wheezy/non-free: 2.4.7~0910052141-1 |
| 13:45.27 | donttrustem_ | babilen, needs to be for nginx |
| 13:45.30 | babilen | donttrustem_: ^^^ that is fastcgi for Apache ... But note that I know nothing about your setup |
| 13:45.37 | babilen | donttrustem_: ah, why? |
| 13:45.48 | donttrustem_ | because that is what I am running |
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| 13:46.14 | themill | invariant: also, there is no general solution for all packages. The partial solution for most packages will start with "aptitude download packagename" followed by extracting either the entire deb with dpkg -x or just part of it with dpkg-deb. |
| 13:46.46 | invariant | themill, yes, that was my 'bad' solution. Thanks for confirming. |
| 13:47.06 | donttrustem_ | babilen, what will happen if I reboot the server |
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| 13:47.15 | themill | invariant: If it's a ucf-using package, then you have the original elsewhere on disk. |
| 13:47.26 | invariant | themill, ucf meaning? |
| 13:47.29 | invariant | !ucf |
| 13:47.29 | dpkg | ucf (Update Configuration File) is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. See also <ucf confmiss>. |
| 13:47.40 | pixy | babilen: i wa gonna ask... it's in /etc/init.d and i ran "update-rc.d aaa.sh defaults" now my script has links(named S02...) in rc2,rc3 rc4, rc5 but it's actually called only once. Then why placed in all those directories ? |
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| 13:47.45 | themill | You could just ask dpkg in a /msg. Or ask google. |
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| 13:50.25 | Alamo777 | babilen, did you get my message? i thoght you were asking me for that the output of that command lol |
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| 13:52.57 | donttrustem_ | babilen, I used this to install everything http://library.linode.com/web-servers/nginx/php-fastcgi/debian-6-squeeze#sph_enable-and-start-services |
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| 13:54.31 | babilen | Alamo777: I was simply curious why /you/ mentioned php-fpm (and not php5-fpm) and was under the impression that you have the php-fpm package available. Simply wanted to check where it is from. I now realise that you simply mentioned php-fpm in error and that you actually meant to say php5-fpm |
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| 13:55.20 | Alamo777 | babilen, hahahahaha you make me typing those lines:)))) |
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| 13:55.43 | babilen | Alamo777: Oh, is the box you are working on not connected to the internet? |
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| 13:56.57 | mumpitze1 | it has a webserver, it should be |
| 13:57.00 | babilen | donttrustem_: yeah, that init script lacks lsb tags. You want to contact linode about that and maybe fix it yourself ... you can probably take a look at the apache init script and then adapt that to your needs. Just read <missing lsb tags> for further information. |
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| 13:57.43 | babilen | Alamo777: If it is connected you can use command line tools such as nopaste (/msg dpkg nopaste) if you think that typing is boring |
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| 13:59.08 | donttrustem_ | babilen, it reboot fine mate ... all came up perfectly |
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| 13:59.31 | babilen | donttrustem_: btw, take a look at http://nginxlibrary.com/php-fastcgi/ as well |
| 13:59.49 | babilen | donttrustem_: but then, we really don't support any of this |
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| 14:15.58 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I there a way to open synaptic read-only. |
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| 14:17.12 | greg606 | hi |
| 14:17.24 | greg606 | how to install mysql 5.6 ? |
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| 14:18.43 | Quest | grebo, apt-get install mysql-server ? |
| 14:18.52 | Quest | greg606, |
| 14:18.57 | greg606 | no |
| 14:19.05 | greg606 | it/s 5.5 i want 5.6 |
| 14:19.13 | Quest | hm oh. dont know then |
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| 14:21.49 | g0to | hi |
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| 14:22.40 | g0to | is there a way for enabling dhcp from the command line and override /etc/network/interfaces configuration? |
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| 14:23.10 | pixy | greg606: first update package list, then upgrade |
| 14:23.24 | tremon | g0to: dhclient ethX |
| 14:23.43 | pixy | greg606: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 14:24.11 | greg606 | pixy: no |
| 14:24.11 | g0to | tremon, that will bring down the interface and then bring it up using dhclient? |
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| 14:24.35 | greg606 | pixy: mysql 5.6 is not in debian packages list |
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| 14:25.05 | tremon | g0to: no, it will send out dhcp discovery packets and reconfigure the interface on response. I don't think the interface will be brought down |
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| 14:25.38 | babilen | g0to: No, that will simply use dhclient to sent DHCP requests on that interface. You can bring it up/down with "ip link set eth0 [up|down]" |
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| 14:26.29 | g0to | babilen, should I bring it down before the dhcp command? |
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| 14:26.54 | babilen | g0to: No, it has to be up if you want to sent data (the DHCP requests) |
| 14:26.58 | pixy | greg606: ok, first remove prev one, apt-get remove pack_name then manually install the new one "dpkg -i pack_name" |
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| 14:27.34 | g0to | tremon, babilen: ok, I'm going to test it. Thanks, guys ;) |
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| 14:27.47 | pixy | greg606: if new one is a .deb file, if it's *.run file, just run it |
| 14:28.04 | Slydder | hey all. I was going to install dnrd due to dns problems across a vpn connection but noticed that dnrd is no longer available in debian. is there an alternative in the repos or will I need to build my own package? |
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| 14:29.49 | babilen | greg606: 5.6 has not yet been packaged in Debian -- You might want to ask in #mysql for support with their packages. I wouldn't necessarily recommend to install "random" third-party .deb packages, but to install it manually to /usr/local (managed with stow (/msg dpkg stow usage)) |
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| 14:32.38 | babilen | greg606: Other distributions might already package it, but it doesn't look as if (for example) Ubuntu has it yet. Are you /sure/ that you need 5.6 ? I would strongly recommend to search for a distribution that actually supports your setup ... |
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| 14:35.04 | Alamo777 | if i upgrade to wheeze why the codename when i check lsb_release -a it says squeeze? |
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| 14:35.43 | babilen | Alamo777: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 14:35.44 | Nik05 | Alamo777 what do you get with lsb_release -a? |
| 14:36.05 | Alamo777 | 6.0.7 |
| 14:36.06 | babilen | Alamo777: Could you paste the entire output of those two commands along with your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:36.17 | Alamo777 | just a moment |
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| 14:36.45 | babilen | Alamo777: Doesn't look as if you upgraded to wheezy at all. Why do you think that you have? Did you follow the release notes? (/msg dpkg release notes wheezy) |
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| 14:37.25 | Alamo777 | i change the squeeze to wheezy in source.list did update and then upgrade |
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| 14:38.20 | g0to | Alamo777, I think that you need to dist-upgrade. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please |
| 14:38.22 | babilen | Alamo777: Please follow the release notes as an upgrade is a /little/ bit more involved than that. Also read <squeeze->wheezy> for a short summary (you need /at least/ a dist-upgrade) |
| 14:39.01 | babilen | Alamo777: But please follow the release notes - There are some things to take care of during this release. |
| 14:39.09 | babilen | s/release/upgrade/ |
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| 14:39.45 | Alamo777 | better to download the iso and install from scratch rather then upgrading |
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| 14:40.10 | babilen | Alamo777: huh? Why is that? |
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| 14:40.51 | Alamo777 | dont want to mess with upgrade, i think i did something wrong there and there are errors on bootup i already delete it |
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| 14:41.44 | spal | is povray no longer packaged in wheezy? |
| 14:41.51 | Alamo777 | is it debian 6.0.7? |
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| 14:42.08 | babilen | Alamo777: Is what Debian 6.0.7 ? |
| 14:42.08 | Iridos | dpkg, povray |
| 14:42.08 | dpkg | POV-Ray (Persistence of Vision Raytracer) is a freeware, cross-platform ray tracing program. Packaged for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <non-free sources>. Version 3.7 is considered unredistributable (Debian bug #563344), version 3.6 was removed from post-Squeeze to resolve bug #649016. http://www.povray.org/ See also <blender>. |
| 14:42.24 | babilen | judd: bug rm povray |
| 14:42.25 | Iridos | dpkg, dbugs563344 |
| 14:42.26 | dpkg | Iridos: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:42.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/649016 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: povray -- RoQA; orphaned, obsolete»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-11-16; last modified: 2011-12-16. |
| 14:42.31 | babilen | spal: ^^^ |
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| 14:42.34 | Iridos | ah |
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| 14:43.10 | spal | babilen, thanks |
| 14:43.23 | g0to | Alamo777, I think you should try the dist-upgrade following babilen advice |
| 14:44.00 | g0to | Alamo777, and then, if you still want to have a install party, try installing from scratch |
| 14:44.02 | babilen | Alamo777: Yes, you did not upgrade completely or in a supported fashion. The upgrade is not /that/ tricky, but some things are important to do. You /do/ have to run a dist-upgrade and the steps you should take are documented in detail in the release notes. |
| 14:44.37 | pixy | babilen: i renamed the script link in rc2.d and this time the script is not run :/ |
| 14:44.48 | babilen | Alamo777: If you are unsure about, for example, any step (e.g. suitable sources.list) and so on let us know. In general upgrades are well supported, but you /do/ have to follow the release notes. |
| 14:44.56 | pixy | i though it was just a link |
| 14:45.01 | babilen | pixy: Which script was that again? |
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| 14:45.36 | babilen | pixy: And don't fiddle with them directly ... run insserv to regenerate them based on the lsb tags |
| 14:45.37 | pixy | babilen: my own script copying a user file from one location to another before gdm3 |
| 14:46.04 | Alamo777 | babilen, i cant find that steps, and i cant find the iso for debian wheezy:( |
| 14:46.22 | pixy | babilen: i dont know how to add LSB yet |
| 14:46.40 | n1md4 | hi. i'm trying to rescue a raid5 md, mdadm --examine --scan is the *only* command to return metadata. my question, will running mdadm --create destory the fs already on there? |
| 14:46.47 | pixy | babilen: so all i do is : update-rc.d aaa.sh defaults |
| 14:47.01 | babilen | pixy: Can't you write a script with "X-Start-Before: kdm gdm3 xdm" and proper "# Required-Start:" ? (e.g. # Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs) ? |
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| 14:47.15 | babilen | Alamo777: which steps? |
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| 14:47.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell Alamo777 -about release notes wheezy |
| 14:47.33 | babilen | Alamo777: The steps are in the release notes |
| 14:47.37 | tremon | pixy: I'd use rc.local for that |
| 14:47.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Alamo777 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:48.06 | Alamo777 | dpkgi is trolling me, it says that if i use windows and some other stupid things:( |
| 14:48.19 | mtn | ha ha |
| 14:48.22 | babilen | pixy: And yeah, you /can/ use rc.local for something as mundane as that. Why do you have to copy that file during every boot anyway? (/me is curious) |
| 14:48.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell Alamo777 -about wheezy release notes |
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| 14:48.54 | Alamo777 | ok it comes, just a moment i will look there and com back later! |
| 14:48.56 | Alamo777 | thanks! |
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| 14:49.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell pixy about rc.local |
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| 14:49.57 | babilen | pixy: That will /not/ run before gdm/xdm/kdm though |
| 14:50.19 | pixy | babilen: actually i need to copy it from one location to another after gmd3, im almost done, then i will tell you about it. |
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| 14:50.49 | babilen | pixy: Your requirement was /specifically/ that the script has to run /before/ gdm3 -- Is that not actually the case? |
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| 14:52.41 | pixy | babilen: after gdm3 , sorry, what i wanna do is, i have a specific user file for gnome panel items. I want those to be ready when debian live boots. So during boot i copy the user file in .config/dconf/user from another location. I don't wanna create those launchers each time |
| 14:53.50 | pixy | babilen: and what i don sometimes works, sometimes not, trying to figure out when default one is created and just before it's active,i wanna overwrite it and make mine active |
| 14:54.01 | babilen | pixy: Well, before or after makes a massive difference. :) You can use rc.local or write your init script with # Required-Start: $all like rc.local |
| 14:54.26 | pixy | yeah trying it now ... |
| 14:54.46 | babilen | pixy: You might also want to discuss this in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net -- Are you sure that the world needs yet another based-on-debian live cd? ;) |
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| 14:57.13 | pixy | babilen: this is for personal use :) |
| 14:57.13 | Ali_ | Err not really sure where to ask this, but I've been making a Qt/OpenGL program on Debian for a few months now and suddenly today it's come up with a serious issue I've never seen before |
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| 14:57.26 | Ali_ | When I run the program, at some point during the start up, it logs out my Debian session |
| 14:57.33 | Ali_ | any ideas? D: |
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| 14:57.47 | babilen | pixy: ah, well .. then it doesn't matter anyway. rc.local should suffice in that case |
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| 14:58.11 | babilen | pixy: I guess that there are better ways to customise this though (as in actually changint whatever configuration needs changing) |
| 14:58.16 | pixy | babilen: two of rc.local :O /etc/rc.local etc/init.d/rc.local |
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| 14:58.52 | babilen | pixy: Read the <rc.local> factoid again ;) |
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| 14:59.45 | Elirips | Hello. I need some advice: I need to install a "normal" desktop computer with the KDE Desktop. Should I rather go with testing or stick to stable? |
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| 15:00.09 | pixy | babilen: oh the .d one calls the other one. |
| 15:00.21 | ChrisH | Elirips: as testing gets released soon as stable. use wheezy |
| 15:00.37 | babilen | Elirips: Well, you want wheezy at this point. (currently testing, to be released as stable on saturday) |
| 15:00.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell Elirips about install wheezy |
| 15:00.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell Elirips about install kde |
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| 15:01.05 | Elirips | babilen, ChrisH: Yeah, already next saturday, great, great :) |
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| 15:01.35 | Elirips | I tried kubuntu first, the installer is broken, so I decided to go back to debian and hope the kernel is recent enough to support the wireless |
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| 15:01.52 | babilen | Elirips: If you have a working internet connection connection I'd recommend to use the netinst images with firmware available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc2/ and configure it to install KDE in the boot menu |
| 15:02.00 | g0to_ | Ali_, do you have any program logs where to check? |
| 15:02.16 | Elirips | babilen: network is only via ethernet cable, not wireless? |
| 15:02.33 | Elirips | babilen: I do have a working connecting, but I'm missing a cable |
| 15:02.35 | babilen | Elirips: Which wireless card is that? If you /do/ require wireless you probably need firmware for that |
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| 15:03.21 | babilen | Elirips: The installer supports wireless just fine, but the actual hardware has to be supported for that to work out. A lot of wireless adaptors require firmware to function properly, which is one reason why I recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware. |
| 15:03.46 | g0to_ | Ali_, did you already check /var/log/syslog? |
| 15:03.50 | Elirips | babilen: ah the installer already includes the firmware? |
| 15:03.59 | babilen | Elirips: The downside of that approach is that you have to configure it to install KDE instead of Gnome at the beginning and that it'll download the packages during the installation. |
| 15:04.13 | Elirips | babilen: time doesnt matter |
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| 15:05.09 | xlinkz0 | does anyone have a mirror for this that works? http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libboost1.53-all-dev/download |
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| 15:05.31 | Ali_ | I'm looking now, but I'm not really sure what to look for |
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| 15:05.42 | Elirips | babilen: another question: If I install testing these days, /etc/apt/sources.list will then have entries for testing and I would need to change those to stable on saturday? Or is it all based on codenames? |
| 15:05.44 | babilen | Elirips: Those particular images do -- The images linked on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ do *not* include firmware, but you could burn those on a CD and provide firmware on a USB stick as detailed in <installer firmware wheezy> (/msg dpkg installer firmware wheezy) -- That would allow you to download the KDE CD1 |
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| 15:06.10 | pixy | Ali_: var/log there should be a file about Qt, or check Qt directory for log location. |
| 15:06.30 | babilen | Elirips: It is based on codenames ... I don't really expect any major changes and you should be fine with a simple "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" on Saturday :) |
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| 15:07.10 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, are you looking for downloading the package or installing/updating on your machine using apt? |
| 15:07.29 | xlinkz0 | g0to_: the latter |
| 15:07.37 | Elirips | babilen: thank you. There is no difference except the firmware support in the installer images 'official' vs. 'unofficial/non-free'? |
| 15:07.38 | pixy | babilen: the .config/dconf/user file is replaced this time it's not overwritten by someother service "the user file generator" but it's too late and gnome panel doesn't show it, unless i log off and on again. |
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| 15:08.05 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, and you are getting an error when apt try to download the package, right? |
| 15:08.15 | Elirips | babilen: so the need to have two installers is only because of legal (moral) stuff because of the non-free firmware? |
| 15:08.17 | xlinkz0 | no, i don't know how to do it with apt :D |
| 15:08.25 | pixy | babilen: i guess i need to do LBS |
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| 15:08.35 | xlinkz0 | but if i can't wget it from any ftp i doubt apt will help |
| 15:09.27 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, use apt instead, dude: #apt-get install libboost1.53 |
| 15:09.33 | babilen | Elirips: We simply don't ship installers/images with non-free packages (firmware, ...) by default. Unfortunately a lot of hardware requires firmware so we offer "unofficial" images with firmware. |
| 15:09.52 | xlinkz0 | g0to_: i'm on squeeze, i'd have to set different repositories etc.. it's a pain |
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| 15:10.18 | Elirips | babilen: thanks for the help. Its burning the installer - looking forward to see how the installer looks like - last time I used debian it was probably potato or sarge :) .. with KDE 2 if I'm right.. on a 486 |
| 15:10.37 | Ali__ | syslog just says "client 6455[0:0] has disconnected" |
| 15:10.40 | xlinkz0 | g0to_: and i want only this experimental package not everything to be experimental.. |
| 15:10.46 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, I see, but even if you install it on your own, your going to miss some dependencies |
| 15:10.48 | babilen | Elirips: oh, wow ... I guess the text installer will look very familiar even though the code behind it changed quite a bit :) |
| 15:10.48 | tremon | xlinkz0: manually downloading all 20-something doesn't look appealing either |
| 15:11.03 | xlinkz0 | :( |
| 15:11.06 | tremon | all 20-something dependencies |
| 15:11.29 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.29 | babilen | Elirips: Don't forget to select KDE in the boot menu (Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install) |
| 15:11.44 | Ali__ | Well actually it says: http://pastebin.com/gt7Gf6m6 |
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| 15:12.10 | Elirips | babilen: well, the kubuntu installer looks very nice but is not working if you change LANG to something else than english (generates locales for utt8 but sets locale to iso-8859-1) so I'm happy with a text-installer |
| 15:12.26 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, if you want to use sid version, you are going to pass through the /pain/ |
| 15:12.29 | Elirips | babilen: thanks for the hint, installer is booting |
| 15:12.36 | tremon | ,check-backport libboost1.53-all-dev |
| 15:12.37 | judd | Backporting package libboost1.53-all-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 15:13.07 | babilen | Elirips: Debian also ships a graphical interface if you prefer that. I simply always use the text/expert installer as I want to configure a few things during the installation that I wouldn't be able to configure otherwise. |
| 15:13.13 | pixy | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/1325/ please check my script |
| 15:13.40 | xlinkz0 | g0to_: so i need to remove the deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main line and put sid instead of squeeze? |
| 15:13.50 | tremon | xlinkz0: btw, p.d.o is behind the curve: the archive contains 1.53.0-4, not -3 |
| 15:13.58 | Elirips | babilen: no I prefer text. It should just work |
| 15:14.05 | xlinkz0 | what's p.d.o? |
| 15:14.06 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, nope. Check what judd just said |
| 15:14.16 | tremon | xlinkz0: packages.debian.ogr |
| 15:14.19 | tremon | org that is |
| 15:14.35 | Elirips | babilen: okay, installing with speech synthesis sounds tasty too |
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| 15:15.06 | xlinkz0 | tremon: i don't understand, is -4 worse than -3? |
| 15:15.13 | xlinkz0 | i don't know what does mean |
| 15:15.26 | tremon | no, it's newer. That's why your download links don't work |
| 15:15.41 | babilen | pixy: Don't use /bin/bash but /bin/sh and you can call that script (/usr/share/customize/copy.sh) directly without the need to run it with "sh .." ... Apart from that this will not do ... These scripts are called with "start", "stop" and so on and you have to support it. |
| 15:15.47 | xlinkz0 | could you teach me how to get the backport? |
| 15:15.58 | tremon | !tell xlinkz0 about ssb |
| 15:16.04 | babilen | pixy: Take a look at /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton and base your init script on that |
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| 15:16.22 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, http://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 15:16.25 | babilen | Elirips: yeah, we support that for (among others) blind users |
| 15:17.01 | xlinkz0 | thanks |
| 15:17.02 | tremon | I'm not sure if one backport package will be enough, given that boost is spread out over many packages. You may have to backport them separately |
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| 15:17.48 | tremon | xlinkz0: the general outline about manually backporting is given to you by dpkg. Feel free to ask for clarification/more guidance |
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| 15:20.42 | Ali__ | I dont remember who I spoke to before... |
| 15:21.08 | xlinkz0 | i've added the backports line in sources.list and done apt-get update |
| 15:21.15 | g0to_ | Ali__, what did you discover? |
| 15:21.21 | xlinkz0 | now how do i find out the exact name i need to provide to aptitude? |
| 15:21.24 | Elirips | babilen: its working like a charm - wlan is up, base system installing |
| 15:21.36 | Ali__ | syslog doesnt seem to have anything in it http://pastebin.com/gt7Gf6m6 |
| 15:21.54 | Ali__ | I dont understand, I havent changed anything since yesterday and it worked fine then |
| 15:22.03 | g0to_ | Ali__, did you find any Qt log inside /var/log |
| 15:22.03 | Ali__ | but now it just completely closes my session |
| 15:22.09 | Ali__ | no |
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| 15:23.28 | babilen | Elirips: w00t! |
| 15:23.46 | tremon | xlinkz0: assuming you're at the last command of step 3, use the package you're trying to install (i.e. libboost-$specific-version) |
| 15:24.30 | tremon | note that for most commands, aptitude and apt-get can both be used |
| 15:24.38 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, please, correct before running: # aptitude -t sid-backports install libboost |
| 15:25.00 | g0to_ | I think that's not a working line |
| 15:25.04 | tremon | g0to_: are you sure that sid-backports exists? |
| 15:25.05 | Ali__ | I've had seg fault errors before but they've never logged me out |
| 15:25.28 | Ali__ | this just gets to a line in the code, then closes all the programs and completely ends the session, kinda makes it unusable... |
| 15:26.00 | g0to_ | tremon, I don't think so :S |
| 15:26.04 | tremon | g0to_: nvm, where did you get the sid-backports reference from? did I miss something? |
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| 15:28.05 | g0to_ | tremon, I made it up on the fly. That's why I warned about correcting |
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| 15:29.00 | tremon | ok, carry on then :) |
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| 15:33.19 | g0to_ | Ali__, are you running your program with super user privileges? |
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| 15:34.06 | Ali_ | no |
| 15:34.54 | Ali_ | I think I installed some software updates yesterday, could that be it? |
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| 15:35.00 | lancelot_of | hi |
| 15:35.01 | Ali_ | is there a way to rollback? |
| 15:35.22 | lancelot_of | which image to choose for intel xeon cpus machine? amd64 or xen? |
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| 15:35.44 | tremon | lancelot_of: amd64, xen is not a typo |
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| 15:36.16 | g0to_ | Ali_, but your program should be environment independent, right? |
| 15:36.36 | Ali_ | What do you mean |
| 15:36.41 | lancelot_of | tremon, thank you very much |
| 15:36.55 | lancelot_of | have all a nice day bye |
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| 15:38.15 | jackbrown | After a crash my file system is in read only mode and it doesn't allow me to work with my OS. How can i fix it ? (change file system from read only to read write ?) |
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| 15:38.33 | g0to_ | Ali_, I mean that you should not worry about other system software updates. Your application should work regardless which version of, for example, Firefox you are running. |
| 15:39.06 | Ali_ | g0to_, well its the only thing that has changed since it was working |
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| 15:39.43 | tremon | jackbrown: after the filesystem is fixed, you should reboot. It should boot normally, and you shouldn't end up with read-only mounts |
| 15:39.44 | g0to_ | Ali_, race conditions wait for the worst moment to show up ;) |
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| 15:40.10 | Ali_ | What race condition |
| 15:40.14 | jackbrown | Trellmor: how fix the filesystem ? |
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| 15:40.46 | tremon | jackbrown: you can correct it manually by using -o remount,rw, but if it still boots in readonly mode, probably something isn't fixed yet |
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| 15:40.49 | g0to_ | Ali_, the one that possibly is crashing the app and doing nasty things |
| 15:41.03 | tremon | jackbrown: run fsck |
| 15:41.03 | Ali_ | g0to_, I really don't see how that's possible |
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| 15:41.50 | pixy | Ali_: why don't you backup the project files and reinstall Qt ? |
| 15:43.17 | jackbrown | tremon: where ? into the terminal while logged in? |
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| 15:44.56 | g0to_ | pixy, I bet for the application bug, which means Ali_ should spot the problem inside the program |
| 15:45.09 | g0to_ | but maybe I'm wrong |
| 15:45.17 | Ali_ | The application hasn't changed! |
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| 15:45.48 | Ali_ | It's failing on the init of the QGLWidget if that helps at all |
| 15:45.51 | pixy | babilen: my script works fine and insserv ordered it nicely, i have a different problem, how can i find which service creates the user file in /home/myuser/.config/dconf/user file ? |
| 15:46.32 | tremon | jackbrown: no, you can't run fsck while the system is mounted. It is probably best to close all your running programs, then run shutdown -rF as root |
| 15:46.52 | tremon | jackbrown: which filesystem is mounted read-only? |
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| 15:47.05 | jackbrown | tremon: i dunno it happened after a crash |
| 15:47.06 | Ali_ | And there's absolutely nothing in the logs |
| 15:47.19 | g0to_ | Ali_, did you try asking in any Qt channel? Maybe they know more about how to chase the problem if it's a Qt related one |
| 15:47.33 | pixy | Ali_: my guess is , you have replaced a file used by Qt, you can find the solution if you have a log message and answer for that by Qt |
| 15:47.44 | tremon | pixy: generally, you can't. But no system service should /ever/ touch anything in /home, that would be a bug |
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| 15:50.13 | pixy | tremon: trying to customize a liveCD by replacing user file that contains info about panel launchers, it creates it authomatically at boot, i edit it putting some mozilla, terminal icons, and at boot time it replace it, but gdm3 doesnt see it until i relogin |
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| 15:50.18 | xlinkz0 | g0to_: i did aptitude -t squeeze-backports install libboost1.53-all-dev |
| 15:50.26 | xlinkz0 | says it couldn't find it |
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| 15:51.35 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, did you tried using just "libboost-all-dev" as the package name? |
| 15:51.58 | Ali___ | and while I'm trying to do this is there a way I can run this program in a wrapper or something so it doesnt close all my programs and log me out? |
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| 15:52.50 | xlinkz0 | g0to_: that works but how do i check the version before installing? |
| 15:53.05 | tremon | pixy: I know, but that means that if some startup script is modifying files in /home, it must be one of your own scripts, or possibly a gdm script that is triggered after the user enters his password/is auto-logged in |
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| 15:53.56 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, you say which version you want by preceding the xxx-backports |
| 15:54.24 | xlinkz0 | but sid has more than one version |
| 15:54.47 | Ali___ | Is everyone out of ideas then? |
| 15:54.55 | g0to_ | xlinkz0, please, show me |
| 15:55.15 | tremon | g0to_: it's better if you stop imaging things, there is only stable-backports |
| 15:55.24 | xlinkz0 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libboost1.53-all-dev |
| 15:55.24 | xlinkz0 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libboost1.50-all-dev |
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| 15:56.17 | g0to_ | tremon, okay. I'm just trying to help |
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| 15:56.42 | tremon | I know, but try to verify things before pressing enter :) |
| 15:56.49 | pixy | How to find if gdm3 is already started ? |
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| 15:57.03 | xlinkz0 | so how do i make sure i install 1.53? |
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| 15:57.09 | jayzi | I have a Realtek RTL8191, and am using Debian wheezy. How can I install the drivers for it without an internet connection on my machine? I cannot use LAN on the machine. However, I can copy and download files to a USB drive from a different computer. |
| 15:57.21 | tremon | xlinkz0: how far do you come with dpkg's recipe? |
| 15:57.29 | xlinkz0 | i'm trying with aptitude |
| 15:58.11 | xlinkz0 | i've added "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to sources.list |
| 15:58.11 | mumpitze1 | pixy: pidof gdm3 ? |
| 15:58.27 | tremon | pixy: find from where? In most systems, just look at the screen will tell you |
| 15:58.32 | xlinkz0 | but i don't know how to check or specify the specific 1.53 package |
| 15:58.47 | Nethox | xlinkz0, with "v" while you are over the package in the list |
| 15:58.48 | pixy | tremon: by script i mean :) |
| 15:58.51 | tremon | xlinkz0: the 1.53 package isn't in squeeze backports |
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| 15:59.06 | pixy | tremon: so the script acts accordingly |
| 15:59.06 | mumpitze1 | jayzi: short answer is you copy the .deb files onto a usb stick and then install the .deb files via dpkg -i <file> |
| 15:59.11 | xlinkz0 | oh :( |
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| 15:59.21 | mumpitze1 | !tell jayzi about rtl8191 |
| 15:59.25 | jayzi | mumpitze1: but there are tons of them |
| 15:59.36 | jayzi | I have tried doing that |
| 15:59.36 | tremon | pixy: pidof will work, as will pgrep |
| 15:59.36 | mumpitze1 | jayzi: no there aren't |
| 15:59.36 | xlinkz0 | ok so back to dpkg manual install then |
| 15:59.38 | jayzi | but each one depends on another file |
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| 15:59.50 | jayzi | So it keeps on going... |
| 16:00.07 | xlinkz0 | ah screw it i'll just compile from source |
| 16:00.21 | mumpitze1 | jayzi: what debian iso do you use and what is your actual problem? |
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| 16:01.39 | jayzi | mumpitze1: I need an internet connection, and I have installed "debian-wheezy-DI-rc2-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" |
| 16:02.15 | jayzi | Debian will not recognize my wireless adapter out of the box |
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| 16:02.47 | mumpitze1 | so have you installed the firmware for it? |
| 16:02.54 | jayzi | mumpitze1: no |
| 16:03.20 | mumpitze1 | dpkg messaged you earlier. read it |
| 16:03.21 | dpkg | mumpitze1: i don't know |
| 16:03.37 | mumpitze1 | first thing you need to do is to find out which chip you actually have |
| 16:03.50 | jayzi | mumpitze1: Realtek RTL8191 |
| 16:04.10 | jayzi | I need to download tons of deb files to get all the needed files |
| 16:05.07 | mumpitze1 | jayzi: that doesn't exist. that's a whole menagerie of different chips under this name. what is the PCI or USB ID? |
| 16:05.17 | jayzi | no idea |
| 16:05.25 | mumpitze1 | then maybe you should start checking? |
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| 16:06.15 | jayzi | gah |
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| 16:06.29 | jayzi | maybe I should just relocate my machine to a LAN connection |
| 16:06.48 | jayzi | router is far away but I suppose it will be much easier |
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| 16:08.03 | mtn | jayzi: there is also a wheezy installer with firmware included |
| 16:08.25 | mumpitze1 | what do you think are the files you need to download? except maybe firmware, everything should be/is on your ISO |
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| 16:11.03 | Nethox | Are the wheezy release notes updated dynamically or kept until the actual release? |
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| 16:12.08 | mumpitze1 | there can't be no release notes until there is an actual release, can there? |
| 16:12.24 | mumpitze1 | it could be RC release notes or whatever of course |
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| 16:13.02 | Nethox | Yeah, pre-release notes. I ask to be ready before the release |
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| 16:13.31 | e-anima | if you install debian in virtualbox running 1 core and then raise the cores to 4, will debian use them or will it still use 1 because i twas installed with 1 |
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| 16:14.31 | mumpitze1 | e-anima: if you use a SMP kernel (anything except the -486 one), it will use all cores after a simple reboot |
| 16:14.46 | e-anima | i installed 64bit debian |
| 16:14.47 | mumpitze1 | if you do use a -486 kernel still, simply install a new kernel |
| 16:15.16 | e-anima | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 16:15.22 | mumpitze1 | you can check with cat /proc/cpuinfo and see your 4 cores recognized |
| 16:15.23 | e-anima | so ok it should use all avalibale cores |
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| 16:15.45 | e-anima | yes they are. thx for this hint |
| 16:16.30 | e-anima | strange thing. mysql, apache are not usin gall power they can get. that would speed things up |
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| 16:24.22 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, it seems like there is no official iso of debian 7 right? |
| 16:25.03 | mumpitze1 | there are release candidates. debian 7 has not been released yet. see topic |
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| 16:26.00 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, ok now i get that, last time it was not clear for me, now i see that for deb 7 i have to upgrade the existing one rather then download iso, when the official iso will be released for debian 7? |
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| 16:26.34 | tremon | Nethox, yes there are release notes for wheezy, ask dpkg (/msg dpkg wheezy release notes) |
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| 16:34.18 | Nethox | tremon, thanks, there's no Last modified date written, but I suppose it is being updated. The HTTP modified field is updated at least, although that's not very reliable |
| 16:34.52 | mumpitze1 | Alamo777: read the topic again |
| 16:37.18 | tremon | Nethox: it's still a work in progress, as is the release itself. You can expect it to be nearly ready for release, as is the release itself |
| 16:37.39 | Nethox | Ok |
| 16:37.50 | tremon | :) |
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| 16:40.11 | grog | debian is weird. there, i said it. |
| 16:40.16 | heraclitus_ | after the upgrade with the new flash plugin, my iceweasel randomly crashes, konquror crashes randomly with gnash, the troubles with linux seem to be unsolvable |
| 16:40.35 | heraclitus_ | i'm using debian stable |
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| 16:41.43 | somiaj | heraclitus_: how did you install this 'new flash plugin'? |
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| 16:43.07 | heraclitus_ | somiaj, just normal upgrade, didn't work after that at all, after i purged both flashplugin and gnash, started to work, but both still randomly crash |
| 16:43.22 | tremon | I've never been able to get any flash plugin to work correctly. It's a good thing the web already has a solution |
| 16:43.47 | grog | yes, it's called Windows 7 :P |
| 16:43.52 | heraclitus_ | purged flashplugin and gnash and installed both again |
| 16:44.23 | somiaj | heraclitus_: why do you have both installed? does having only one installed work? I have very few issues with the flashplugin...also what pages does it crash on? |
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| 16:45.13 | somiaj | heraclitus_: the flashplugin-nonfree package is actually only a script to download the flashplugin, might want to rerun update-flashplugin-nonfree (read the man page for the exact options) |
| 16:45.28 | somiaj | yea you want update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 16:47.02 | heraclitus_ | somiaj, i have both installed because flashplugin crashes mostly on embedded videos, though it crashes everywhere, and gnash works only with embedded videos, thus using iceweasel with flashplugin and konqueror with gnash, i can somehow see everything |
| 16:47.23 | heraclitus_ | somiaj, i did it |
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| 16:47.58 | Nethox | heraclitus_, which architecture are you using, 32 or 64 bits? |
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| 16:48.14 | heraclitus_ | Nethox, 32 bits |
| 16:48.41 | Nethox | heraclitus_, I find the 32 bits flash player very unstable, but the 64 bits one works quite well |
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| 16:49.11 | heraclitus_ | oh i see |
| 16:49.12 | Nethox | Anyways, iceweasel should not crash, only the current tab (sad smiley) |
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| 16:51.32 | heraclitus_ | Nethox, no, iceweasel crashes completely, the whole application, starting from recovery the next time started, iceweasel is 3.5.16, the old version debian stable supplies |
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| 16:53.14 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:53.29 | n-iCe | I'm creating a bootable usb, sudo cat debian-6.0.7-amd64-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 16:53.42 | n-iCe | what's wrong with it, I get permissions errors |
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| 16:54.34 | heraclitus_ | iceweasel 3.5.16 is so hopelessly old, it doesn't even support any html5 |
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| 16:55.46 | Nethox | heraclitus_, ok, the tab crash protection was added in 3.6.4. The 10.x and later (testing/unstable) withstand the flash plugin crashes, but the 32 b plugin itself (current tab) crashes *a lot* with sites such as Youtube |
| 16:57.16 | somiaj | heraclitus_: why not grab a newer version from mozilla.debian.net (They backport it to squeeze) |
| 16:57.38 | somiaj | n-iCe: the problem is the redirect is part of the shell and doens't have root privlages |
| 16:58.19 | somiaj | n-iCe: sudo sh -c "cat debian-6.0.7-amd64-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb" |
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| 16:58.38 | n-iCe | somiaj: I did sudo -s |
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| 16:58.45 | n-iCe | And the command, seems to be working, somiaj thakns |
| 16:59.01 | heraclitus_ | somiaj, i have debian stable, it includes the hopelessly old iceweasel 3.5.16 and i don't want to break it |
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| 16:59.12 | Stingray__ | hello everyone |
| 16:59.17 | somiaj | n-iCe: ahh nice, didn't see that option there, yea that does the same thing |
| 16:59.47 | somiaj | heraclitus_: again backports are built against debian stable. So it is a new iceweasle, but built for squeeze, so your debian stable is still stable, but the iceweasel is newer |
| 17:00.00 | Stingray__ | i have a simple question wich file updates the modt? in debian squeeze |
| 17:00.05 | somiaj | heraclitus_: the worst that will happen is you will break iceweasle which is already crashing on you. |
| 17:00.10 | n-iCe | somiaj: time to reboot, I'm back Debian! |
| 17:00.38 | Stingray__ | because on the debian wiki it say its the bootlogs file |
| 17:00.43 | Stingray__ | and its not... |
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| 17:02.32 | heraclitus_ | somiaj, ok thanks, i will search for iceweasel squeeze backport |
| 17:02.54 | somiaj | heraclitus_: goto mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:03.08 | somiaj | heraclitus_: (the backports are provided by the mozilla team and not though squeeze-backports) |
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| 17:03.23 | heraclitus_ | thanks |
| 17:03.31 | somiaj | Stingray__: I don't think it is updated by default, mine has always been static. Though I think there are packages that modify it. |
| 17:04.24 | somiaj | Stingray__: man motd gives that there is /etc/init.d/motd and /run/motd.dynamic that could be modifying it |
| 17:04.28 | Stingray__ | yea its kinda static it generates a motd "head" with the putput of uname -a |
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| 17:04.50 | Stingray__ | but it will always generate a new motd when you login |
| 17:05.43 | slidesinger | I need to format a 1TB external hdd to work with linux, windows, and mac. Does anyone know what format works best? |
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| 17:06.00 | mumpitze1 | slidesinger: FAT32 |
| 17:06.06 | somiaj | Stingray__: read the man page for motd, it will ansewr your questions, seems wheezy (what I have) is slighlty different than squeeze |
| 17:06.30 | slidesinger | Thanks, that's what I thought, too. |
| 17:06.33 | somiaj | slidesinger: fat32 is the most common suggestion. Though linux now has ntfs support and mac too (though it was a pain to find a driver) |
| 17:06.34 | Stingray__ | found it already thank you very much |
| 17:06.54 | somiaj | slidesinger: you can also give windows and mac ext2 support. So you aren't limited, fat32 is kinda bloated on a 1TB drive but it will work the easiest |
| 17:07.14 | slidesinger | somiaj: Thanks, |
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| 17:14.00 | nu1x | how stable is unstable nowadays ? stable enough to run a desktop ? |
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| 17:14.20 | somiaj | nu1x: unstable and testing will in less than a week get flooded |
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| 17:14.39 | somiaj | nu1x: I have been running a desktop on them for years, but in the next few months they may get really buggy |
| 17:15.11 | philux | nulx: I run unstable on my main work laptop... No problems for me... |
| 17:15.27 | somiaj | nu1x: if you don't want to deal with fixing broken packages, I would stay with wheezy for a few months until the flood of new packages get sorted out after the release of wheezy |
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| 17:15.39 | somiaj | (as there are tons of packages sitting in experimential just waiting for the release to open the flood gates) |
| 17:15.52 | nu1x | ok |
| 17:15.54 | nu1x | thanks |
| 17:16.07 | mumpitze1 | not months, but a few weeks usually |
| 17:16.33 | nu1x | yeah, i remember the transitions from before, seems it is as painful as ever today :P |
| 17:18.14 | Nethox | When and how the flood gates opening (haha) afect testing after the release? |
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| 17:18.56 | Roland- | hello, need some help to include the wireless firmware into installer, I can't netinstall |
| 17:19.00 | somiaj | Nethox: packages will take the standard sid -> testing transition. Many of them have been around long enough they will drop driectly into jessie (The new tessting) during this |
| 17:19.20 | somiaj | Nethox: I think testing will be more unstable than sid, because sid will get all the packages, testing only gets the ones that don't have major bugs. |
| 17:19.29 | somiaj | Nethox: so the mixing can cause unexpected issues |
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| 17:19.57 | somiaj | Roland-: there are unoffical firmware installers. I personally use the netinstaller (it despite its name can install a functional minimial debian system) |
| 17:20.16 | somiaj | Roland-: after I have a functional minimial system, I copy over the debian firmware package from packages.debian.org, get my network up from the cli and continue the install |
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| 17:20.55 | somiaj | Roland-: /msg dpkg firmware images -- /msg dpkg wheezy firmware images (depending on what you want ot install) |
| 17:21.00 | Roland- | well that is a little bit hard for me since I have wpa password etc. |
| 17:21.21 | somiaj | Roland-: then copy over wpasupplicant .deb too (I do this on thumb drives and find it easiest) |
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| 17:21.37 | somiaj | Roland-: again the netinstall can install a functional debian system without the net, it is just very minial. |
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| 17:22.15 | Roland- | well I found the unnoficial without firmware however not for wheezy which I want |
| 17:22.31 | somiaj | Roland-: /msg dpkg wheezy firmware images |
| 17:22.49 | somiaj | Roland-: sorry firmware images wheezy |
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| 17:23.07 | Roland- | oh there it is found it |
| 17:23.23 | Nethox | What's cool is that nowadays the base install has even less packages than before (atd, exim) |
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| 17:23.28 | Roland- | yes thanks apache autoindex is a wonder |
| 17:23.45 | flypp | hi, I'm going to acquire a new mobo. Options are Asrock 990FX Extreme 4 and gigabyte 990FXA-UD3. Did someone ear about compatibility problems with those mobos? |
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| 17:24.04 | Roland- | if I install wheezy with the rc installer I won't have to reinstall when whezzy will be released right? |
| 17:24.44 | somiaj | Nethox: I think there is a difference depending on what you mean by base install. the netinstall I call minimial (because it doesn't contain all packages of priority standard or higher which is usually considered base) |
| 17:25.06 | somiaj | Roland-: just dist-upgrade to what ever few bugfixes/changes happen between now and then |
| 17:25.15 | somiaj | Roland-: upgrade will proabaly be enough |
| 17:25.16 | Roland- | great |
| 17:25.35 | KsM | my definition of base install is a netinstall but then cancel all the downloading of packages and just continue from what was on the disk |
| 17:25.36 | KsM | :> |
| 17:25.40 | Nethox | somiaj, I mean the netinstall + skipping the Packages installation step (which at least in previous versions, installed some packages even if you later cancelled it) |
| 17:25.41 | somiaj | flypp: compadability is mostly a linux kernel issue. You will have to get the chipsets of the say nic, sound card etc and check linux kernel compadability |
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| 17:26.29 | somiaj | Nethox: yea I was just saying some say the base system should contain all packages of priority of standard or higher (and even some of those are taken off the netinstall minimial stuff) |
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| 17:27.48 | somiaj | flypp: note that wheezy will be released with linux kernel 3.2 (and that is also the one you can get on squeeze from backports) |
| 17:27.59 | somiaj | flypp: so that is the linux kernel version you want to check compadability against |
| 17:28.00 | Roland- | oh well I ma giving linux one more try I hope the ugly fonts issues is gone |
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| 17:28.23 | somiaj | Roland-: I haven't noticed the issue since about 2006ish, fonts seem fine to me now |
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| 17:28.41 | Roland- | sure hope so |
| 17:28.59 | flypp | I'm running Wheezy. I didn't find issues on forums, but Extreme4 is a very new mobo |
| 17:29.01 | somiaj | Roland-: I do agree the pre fontconfig fonts were ugly, but I think very few applications use them anymore |
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| 17:29.53 | somiaj | flypp: for the most part I bet the cpu/chipset is fine. It is the extras I would look at, as those are the common things that don't work nicely |
| 17:30.30 | flypp | thank you very much |
| 17:30.32 | somiaj | flypp: but with anything bleeding edge hardware you run the risk unless you find someone who has actually used that paticular mobo in linux |
| 17:30.35 | mumpitze1 | flypp: on a desktop mobo, almost the only things that can make trouble but almost never do are LAN and Sound. there just isn't much more on it |
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| 17:31.10 | somiaj | I still use my 1998 sblive on my desktop to avoid mobo sound card issues. |
| 17:31.45 | mumpitze1 | the main issue there is lack of hardware mixing. otherwise they are usually OK. notebooks are different tho |
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| 17:34.10 | somiaj | sometimes getting the ports for say 4.1 or 5.1 sound is a bit difficult too |
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| 17:37.35 | zianya | hello i am installing debian it goes in select and install software and it is downloading feom the internet but in order to make my wireless card and internet to work i need to set the interface to 5.5M auto, how can i do it without quit the installation? |
| 17:37.58 | Towzzer | you can enter the console with like alt-f2 |
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| 17:38.10 | Towzzer | the use "ip" to make changes to the network device |
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| 17:39.25 | zianya | it goes to busy box not console i cant use iwconfig |
| 17:39.30 | somiaj | zianya: this is the last step, tasksel, you have a minimial functining system installed. You can actually just rerun this. It will also start downloading where it left off |
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| 17:40.11 | zianya | how do I cancel or what should i do |
| 17:40.20 | Roland- | well I am not surprised, still not working not detecting my wireless card even using firmware-wheezy-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst |
| 17:40.39 | somiaj | zianya: ctrl-C will cancel it |
| 17:40.47 | Roland- | asks for a stick with firmware, still doesn't detect. iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode that is |
| 17:40.48 | somiaj | Roland-: can you give the chipset of your wireless card please? |
| 17:40.59 | Roland- | intel 5100 agn |
| 17:41.15 | zianya | it did not cancel it im in gui installer |
| 17:41.49 | somiaj | zianya: I don't ever use that so unsure, but it is just a process. open up a terminal and kill it |
| 17:41.58 | somiaj | Roland-: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Wheezy-1 -- it is listd in the supported devices? |
| 17:42.12 | Roland- | PCI: 8086:4232 Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 |
| 17:42.13 | Roland- | yes |
| 17:42.21 | somiaj | Roland-: dmesg also tells you that the firmware is missing? |
| 17:42.39 | Roland- | not sure, I am rebooting again to see |
| 17:43.13 | zianya | i dont have terminal |
| 17:43.13 | somiaj | Roland-: I've never used the firmware installers, so unsure what could be going wrong. |
| 17:43.23 | madcat1990 | firmware installers for intel are easy |
| 17:43.28 | madcat1990 | iwlwifi-intel |
| 17:43.32 | madcat1990 | install that packet and reboot |
| 17:43.36 | madcat1990 | usually that does the trick |
| 17:43.47 | zianya | i just rebooted the machine |
| 17:44.34 | zianya | will i at least have wifi tools with a no internet connection installation? |
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| 17:46.19 | zianya | im in console mode installation |
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| 17:46.34 | zianya | can i launch a terminal now? |
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| 17:47.11 | pixy | how to diable x from automatically starting ( gdm3 is also installed ) ? I'd like to run startx manually in a script ? |
| 17:47.35 | somiaj | !tell pixy about nodm |
| 17:48.00 | somiaj | pixy: note without running gdm you may loose some user features from your desktop (Such as shutdown/reboot etc) |
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| 17:48.49 | zianya | somiaj help mee im in inatallation!! :p |
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| 17:49.20 | pixy | somiaj: i don't want to remove it, i'd like to do some stuff before gdm3 and make it wait until i call "startx" |
| 17:49.43 | KsM | pixy: sudo update-rc.d gdm3 disable |
| 17:49.44 | KsM | probably |
| 17:49.56 | pixy | hmm .. |
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| 17:50.11 | pixy | KsM: i'll chk thanks |
| 17:50.17 | somiaj | pixy: that factoid I sent you told you exactly what to do |
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| 17:50.29 | KsM | oh |
| 17:50.34 | somiaj | KsM: it is better to "echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager" |
| 17:50.52 | somiaj | (That way all dm's are disabled) |
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| 17:51.17 | pixy | somiaj: enabled when run "startx" ? |
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| 17:52.01 | somiaj | pixy: startx is seperate. If you echo false into that file, no dm will run at boot up. You can run x with startx when you desire (that is what I do) |
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| 17:52.24 | somiaj | zianya: personally I would complete the installation (skip the additional software part for now) |
| 17:52.38 | pixy | somiaj: trying now thanks |
| 17:52.40 | somiaj | zianya: get your internet working as you want to. Once that is up, then just run theprogram 'tasksel' an you can reselect software packges |
| 17:52.46 | zianya | somiaj how |
| 17:53.06 | somiaj | zianya: just skip finish the install and getyourself to a login so you can configure your network |
| 17:53.27 | somiaj | pixy: what do you need to do before running gdm? Do you need to do the same thing every time you start your machine? |
| 17:55.25 | pixy | somiaj: not exactly, long story, just solved my problem a while ago, but i'll make use of default display file, sounds a better solution. |
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| 17:55.36 | pixy | brb |
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| 18:07.53 | Optic | hey can you guys suggest a usb wifi adapter that works out of the box in debian? |
| 18:08.13 | Optic | squeeze ideally? |
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| 18:09.58 | Optic | most of the ones I find actually for sale require 3rd party driver installation or a backport kernel or other messy installation techniques |
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| 18:11.05 | zianya | im back |
| 18:11.20 | zianya | system is installed but i dont even have network manager |
| 18:11.33 | zianya | used iwconfig essid and key how do i connect it? |
| 18:11.53 | zianya | how do i run dhcpdd |
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| 18:15.35 | Optic | I've heard the TP-Link TL-WN821N might work? |
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| 18:16.29 | mumpitze1 | Optic: it uses a AR9170. it might need the non-free firmware but apart from that it will work, yes |
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| 18:17.00 | Optic | and the non-free firmware is packaged? |
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| 18:17.04 | Optic | that would be great |
| 18:17.13 | mumpitze1 | yes http://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb |
| 18:17.13 | madcat1990 | they usually are |
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| 18:17.54 | mumpitze1 | for debian wheezy it works out of the box: http://wiki.debian.org/carl9170 |
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| 18:18.15 | heraclitus_ | installed iceweasel backport, got 10.0.12, but the backports are only a kind of way how to break the system as little as possible, it removed many dev packages which didn't correspond to the new versions of packages, there is no miracle way to add something outside the system... |
| 18:18.35 | mumpitze1 | heraclitus_: did you try mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 18:18.37 | ChibaPet | heraclitus_: You can also just download Firefox from Mozilla. |
| 18:18.37 | Optic | that's great! I tried another one but the binary driver was removed from the kernel because it wasn't free enough and the firmware hadn't been packaged yet |
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| 18:18.49 | Optic | I'll try the atheros one :) |
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| 18:18.55 | Optic | I think the other was a realtek |
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| 18:24.06 | gturner | anyone know how to work around packages.d.o broken links? particularly package changelog links are 404 |
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| 18:24.51 | zianya | how can I know if I'm running lenny or squeeze |
| 18:25.38 | KsM | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:25.48 | KsM | lsb_release -d |
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| 18:25.50 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
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| 18:26.16 | DelphiWorld | i'm copying some files with arabic name but i think it's very long. getting File while doing cp. any solution?name too long |
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| 18:26.34 | zianya | KsM: says 6.0.7 |
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| 18:26.49 | zianya | lsb_release -d does not exist |
| 18:27.38 | KsM | zianya: 6.0.7 is squeeze |
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| 18:27.51 | zianya | thanks |
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| 18:30.10 | DelphiWorld | any clue? |
| 18:30.16 | Alamo777 | mumpitze1, i just upgrade it to 7:) now please tell me should i install nginx from nginx repo or directly type apt-get install nginx? |
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| 18:33.59 | zianya | volví en chrome |
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| 18:38.12 | mumpitze1 | Alamo777: from debian repos of course |
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| 18:38.44 | roland- | ok just installed debian works ok however I am unable to play youtube videos in hd it's very slow. |
| 18:38.50 | roland- | on other os works fine |
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| 18:40.53 | Nethox | roland-, the flash plugin performance and stability is worse. The workaround is to download the video and play it with mplayer/VLC/other |
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| 18:41.22 | roland- | oh no... |
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| 18:41.42 | ardtus | no issues with flashplugin here, or particularly with youtube - what browser are you using? |
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| 18:47.54 | Learningg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:51.42 | n-iCe | can anyone help me with my laptop mic, is not working |
| 18:51.47 | n-iCe | My lspci http://pastebin.com/u3hg5P3Z |
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| 18:55.54 | n-iCe | !bpo |
| 18:55.54 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 18:57.05 | n-iCe | anyone? |
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| 19:01.31 | well_laid_lawn | n-iCe: checked what's up with it in alsamixer ? |
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| 19:01.56 | n-iCe | well_laid_lawn: all is ok, and not muted |
| 19:02.09 | n-iCe | well_laid_lawn: I heard I should upgrae my kernel with bpo, what do you know about it |
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| 19:02.34 | mumpitze1 | n-iCe: which debian version are you using? |
| 19:02.48 | well_laid_lawn | nothing offhand but if your hardware needs a newer module you'll have to |
| 19:02.53 | mumpitze1 | and instead of bpo I'd switch to wheezy |
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| 19:03.27 | n-iCe | mumpitze1: squeeze |
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| 19:04.50 | n-iCe | deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main |
| 19:04.54 | n-iCe | How do I add that? |
| 19:05.17 | n-iCe | deb http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main |
| 19:05.21 | n-iCe | that's not working |
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| 19:06.35 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: you just want deb http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
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| 19:07.05 | n-iCe | I tried, but W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 19:07.13 | StarFscker | Hey, for some reason I am banned from #debian-next |
| 19:07.22 | StarFscker | I have no idea why |
| 19:07.43 | jelly-home | StarFscker: #debian-next is not on this network, but irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 19:07.55 | StarFscker | Oh, well that's why then |
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| 19:08.38 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: not every mirror has backports, so that might be why |
| 19:09.38 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: so try deb http://backports.deiban.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 19:09.45 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:09.54 | n-iCe | used .us. |
| 19:09.56 | n-iCe | Working now |
| 19:10.36 | n-iCe | and now how do I upgrade my kernel? |
| 19:10.41 | n-iCe | with linux headers and linux image? |
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| 19:11.00 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: use aptitude or similar to select the kernel that you want to install and install it |
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| 19:11.51 | n-iCe | linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 dondelelcaro is ok? |
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| 19:12.10 | somiaj | n-iCe: you need the image too |
| 19:12.18 | n-iCe | is there an order to install? |
| 19:12.21 | n-iCe | or is the same |
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| 19:12.32 | somiaj | I'd put it on the same install line |
| 19:12.43 | somiaj | I forget if the headers require the image to be installed or not (via dependencies) |
| 19:13.42 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.45 | n-iCe | are beign installed |
| 19:13.54 | somiaj | yea you need the image too then |
| 19:14.00 | somiaj | just replace headers with image, rest is the same |
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| 19:14.11 | n-iCe | hope this fix my mic issue |
| 19:14.51 | n-iCe | done. now reboot, right? |
| 19:14.54 | n-iCe | and select that kernel? |
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| 19:18.03 | n-iCe | rebooting |
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| 19:21.33 | n-iCe | worked :)) |
| 19:21.41 | n-iCe | I think I can remove the old kernels, right? |
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| 19:28.35 | somiaj | n-iCe: yes, though it is sometimes nice to have a backup around. Though if everything is functioning it is up to you |
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| 19:28.50 | somiaj | n-iCe: I personally leave the stock one there, but that is just my preference. |
| 19:28.53 | n-iCe | somiaj: I will leave it then :) |
| 19:29.12 | somiaj | n-iCe: most likley you will never use it, but hard drive space is cheap and I always have in abundance |
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| 19:34.29 | kink | what repository would compiz be found in? apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager ----- this doesnt work |
| 19:35.18 | mtn | kink, it isn't in wheezy |
| 19:35.31 | mtn | kink, http://packages.debian.org |
| 19:36.24 | kink | mtn, what do you mean by that? im pretty new |
| 19:36.50 | kink | do I need to add a repository? |
| 19:37.01 | mtn | kink, wheezy is the new release of debian. which version of debian are you using? |
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| 19:38.03 | kink | mtn, kali linux |
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| 19:38.37 | mtn | kink, so, not debian. you need to go to their channel or forums |
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| 19:38.54 | Quest | no one seems to know this question an other channels: if i have a fiber optic but I have two separate ip pools of 8 ips each (the fiber optic wire will be still one), that is 2 separate threads (thats what i have been informed). Then each thread will be having its separate bandwidth limit. is it a fact that both threads will be unaffected by each other in terms of bandwidth and traffic? That is its almost same like I am having two fiber connecti |
| 19:38.54 | Quest | ons? |
| 19:38.56 | kink | mtn, it is debian, just modified |
| 19:39.22 | mtn | kink, sorry, only debian is supported here. not derivatives |
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| 19:39.44 | kink | mtn, ok then I am running wheezy, what's the next step? |
| 19:39.54 | asunnO | r u saying ubuntu is for kids |
| 19:40.04 | ksuhku | for retarded kids |
| 19:40.14 | asunnO | Ill tear ur face off come at me bro |
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| 19:40.32 | ksuhku | lern2wryte 1st |
| 19:40.45 | KsM | !offtopic |
| 19:40.45 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:41.48 | jelly-home | ksuhku: don't taunt the kids, they can't help it but you can. |
| 19:42.02 | ksuhku | jelly-home, I'll try not to do that |
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| 20:06.41 | n-iCe | is it secure to upgrade to wheezy from squeeze? |
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| 20:24.00 | kraehe | http://upaste.me/29ae57801d74b328 <- i've tried to install rails on wheezy, but I think I'm missing something |
| 20:25.48 | kraehe | google did not give any clue ;-( |
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| 20:38.48 | moh1213 | sorry for this big wall of text, its quiet here anyway, if my english skills are very awful you have script at the end |
| 20:39.14 | moh1213 | Here is the deal (tldr below, sorry for poor english) Week ago i choosed to say goodbye to windows and taught myself Linux. I did this because windows goes in wrong way, besides that i think that knowledge of this os will be useful for me in future. I had almost 0 experience with this system, however i decided to go hardcore, delete win7 and get highly specialized distro based on debian as my one and only os. I know this might not be |
| 20:39.36 | moh1213 | isnt choice for me, this wouldnt keep me motivated. I installed os, added respositories and this is where i did mistake: i didnt started from basic things like understanding shell etc. My first target was to make my pc fortress like, make it as safe as possible (i might be little paranoid, but i tought that by doing that i will learn basics, was wrong). I did some things with tutorials, but everything was incredibly hard for me, and i |
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| 20:40.52 | moh1213 | repeat that without guides. Things like installing additional soft are so hard for me. I feel like im not even close to be better linux user. Today i understood that i need to start again. I will install os again, but this time i will focus on learning basics. Here is why i need your help: Could you recommend me good books, online courses or set of howto's/tutorials/guides? I know that i can find answer to every question using google, |
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| 20:41.23 | moh1213 | in one place, with possibility to learn step by step, so book or course would be best. Learning by doing excersises would be the best. |
| 20:41.31 | moh1213 | in one place, with possibility to learn step by step, so book or course would be best. Learning by doing excersises would be the best. |
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| 20:41.41 | moh1213 | tl;dr Looking for source of Linux knowledge (book, course, big tutorial) that cover many aspects of linux for newb who want to be at least semi-advanced user as fast as possible |
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| 20:46.58 | plotino | hello everyboy |
| 20:47.22 | plotino | im very struggle to try to set time |
| 20:47.33 | plotino | on my debian on NAS |
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| 20:48.59 | kink | What's a good light weight email client? Any personal suggestions? |
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| 20:50.43 | smw | kink, I like claws-mail |
| 20:50.52 | kraehe | kink, fetchmail + mutt |
| 20:51.09 | kraehe | + vim |
| 20:51.19 | kraehe | ... or emacs = email client and kitchen sink |
| 20:51.28 | plotino | i have run tzconfig |
| 20:51.51 | thewanderer1 | moh1213, you might want to go for a course in this: http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications -- or you could buy a Debian book too (don't think there is an official one though), if you are after a more directed approach |
| 20:51.59 | plotino | but after configration command date outputs anyway wrong time and date |
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| 20:52.21 | smw | moh1213, http://debian-handbook.info/ is not bad |
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| 20:52.46 | thewanderer1 | plotino, have you tried NTP? (apt-get install ntp) |
| 20:53.04 | Nethox | moh1213, http://www.debian.org/doc/ --> "Installation guide" includes first steps info; the "Debian reference" is a more complete guide; the "Debian wiki" is good for specific issues |
| 20:53.13 | mactimes | Hey, everyone. I have just finished following these steps [http://is.gd/XWRVBe] and everything works like a charm. My intent is to achieve this [http://filebin.ca/fWN31u1TMbk] sort of setup for the LAN/private mail server. What would the extra packages/applications/configuration for fetching new messages from and sending new messages to the Public/WAN mail server be? (For instance, I'd like to make tests against a Google Apps domain, the local |
| 20:53.13 | mactimes | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.25 | smw | plotino, ntpdate pool.ntp.org should set the correct date |
| 20:53.26 | zykotick9 | fyi, a text version of debian-handbook is in the wheezy package "debian-handbook" |
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| 20:53.37 | moh1213 | thanks guys |
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| 20:54.16 | plotino | smw i m going to try it |
| 20:54.38 | plotino | :( |
| 20:54.42 | plotino | always the same |
| 20:54.44 | cryptic | what's the most lightweight, libre virtualization environment? |
| 20:54.53 | plotino | i think tzconfig is not working properly |
| 20:55.15 | thewanderer1 | cryptic, lxc, it's mainline |
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| 20:55.35 | plotino | ok i fixed |
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| 20:55.41 | plotino | txconfig |
| 20:55.46 | plotino | its not working |
| 20:55.56 | cryptic | thanks thewanderer1 |
| 20:56.02 | plotino | ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Rome /etc/localtime is woring :) |
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| 20:57.11 | mactimes | plotino Have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'? |
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| 20:57.55 | plotino | no |
| 20:58.04 | plotino | i have tried to creat manually the link above |
| 20:58.15 | plotino | and it went successfully |
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| 20:58.51 | mactimes | plotino Roger that, then. |
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| 20:59.31 | plotino | mactimes, ? |
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| 21:05.37 | Alamo777 | there is no suhosin to install for wheezy, what should i do? |
| 21:06.43 | Alamo777 | php5-suhosin? what should i do with it? |
| 21:07.10 | kraehe | Alamo777, ignore it - you likely dont need it |
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| 21:07.18 | Alamo777 | sure? |
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| 21:12.00 | thewanderer1 | Alamo777, suhosin module has been dropped completely from Debian due to lack of compatibility and active maintainers (including upstream) |
| 21:12.05 | CableNinja | Alamo777: look around on google, theres some mentions of the suhosin project being dormant, but I found info about setting suhosin up on wheezy with 5.4.0, though wheezy is at 5.4.4+ |
| 21:12.39 | Alamo777 | CableNinja, should i install it? |
| 21:13.05 | Alamo777 | CableNinja, to use with nginx |
| 21:13.06 | CableNinja | Alamo777: thats up to you, personally, I'd ignore it, I havent used it on mine |
| 21:13.23 | Alamo777 | CableNinja, do you use it on nginx? |
| 21:13.44 | CableNinja | no |
| 21:14.02 | Alamo777 | CableNinja, do you use nginx? |
| 21:14.24 | CableNinja | no, but we have nginx boxes at work that do not use suhosin |
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| 21:15.27 | Alamo777 | CableNinja, is this allright? apt-get install php5 php5-fpm php-pear php5-common php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-cli php5-gd php5-curl php-apc |
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| 21:16.19 | CableNinja | eh, I dont see why not, you can probably knock the first php5 off of there, as well as php5-common and just specify everythin |
| 21:16.23 | CableNinja | g else* |
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| 21:17.12 | Alamo777 | CableNinja, ok thanks alot! This is my first time, i never did work with real servers, it is very interesting and i like debian, i hope tonight my forum will be up and running:) |
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| 21:27.00 | dfx | helllo guys |
| 21:27.31 | dfx | can someone tell me how to get status bar in dwm i've followed many guids but nothing works im on wheezy |
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| 21:36.39 | joj | dfx: dwm will use the name of the X root window as the status bar text. you set it with xsetroot -name "$STATUSBAR_TEXT" |
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| 21:37.11 | dfx | joj: yeh idid it in .xinitrc but does not work |
| 21:38.01 | joj | dfx: you mean the text was not displayed or the text is not being updated? |
| 21:38.27 | joj | dfx: and you have to set the name AFTER dwm has been started |
| 21:38.33 | dfx | joj: noo i still have the dwm-6 displayed |
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| 21:39.42 | dfx | joj: in .xinit i keep exec dwm at last but i guess my .xinitrc does not even get executed cus when i removed it i still have dwm i even made a file.desktop for it calling a bash file but still the same |
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| 21:42.36 | joj | dfx: seems you login into a pre-defined X session. What display manager do you use? you need to execute the global Xsession in /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| 21:50.19 | dfx | anyone has any idea how to display status bar in concky |
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| 21:51.49 | joj | dfx: I guess the your previous issue has been solved. I'll turn away then. |
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| 21:52.12 | dfx | joj: noo nothing solved |
| 21:52.55 | dfx | joj: my .xinitrc does not get executed how can i verify that btw i did a +x to it |
| 21:54.46 | joj | dfx: Put an `echo` statement, like echo HELLO, at the beginning of your xinitrc and try to login. The output should be logged in ~/.xsession-errors. |
| 21:55.20 | dfx | joj: ok |
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| 22:01.07 | dfx | back guys |
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| 22:01.19 | joj | dfx: however, on your first issue: Try symlinking as follows: ln -s ~/.xinitrc ~/.xsession. Please refer then to the Debian reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch07.en.html#_starting_the_x_window_system, the whole point 7.5 for a full answer on how to customize your X session |
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| 22:03.55 | joj | joj: I would just skip xinitrc and put everything in ~/.xsession, then select the standard/generic/default X session at login time. This is the setup I have, I'm also running a bunch of different window managers, including DWM. |
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| 22:06.31 | g00fy | hey joj, by the way, what WM's are you using and what's your favourite? i'm on that quest myself... tired of the old gnome UI... |
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| 22:07.04 | jelly-home | !start a wm war |
| 22:07.05 | dpkg | ratpoison makes me vomit! |
| 22:07.09 | g00fy | a looooong time ago i used the fvwm flavour, but i thing it whent down with the dinossaurs.... |
| 22:07.24 | g00fy | *think |
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| 22:07.38 | g00fy | jelly-home, lol |
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| 22:07.53 | idler420 | hey |
| 22:07.59 | idler420 | i have a question |
| 22:08.01 | idler420 | abt debian |
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| 22:10.46 | joj | g00fy: *just* to answer that one question (so not to upsed jelly-home, and he/she's right, it's a very old hat and has been aptly discussed in various forums): I'm using a patched DWM: standard patches from suckless.org + my custom patch for direct MPD playback and volume control through libmpdclient. I host the source at https://github.com/2ion/dwm |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | idler420: just ask |
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| 22:11.49 | g00fy | can you post a screen shot, please? |
| 22:11.59 | g00fy | just to see it? |
| 22:12.04 | g00fy | :) |
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| 22:13.28 | idler420 | >tfw nobody listening to you |
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| 22:15.35 | joj | g00fy: you know there's nothing to see, it's a tiling wm: http://ompldr.org/vaTl3cA/s.png, and I even don't want the bar. Now here's a window lonely floating ... |
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| 22:17.16 | g00fy | joj, that is *really* raw, lol |
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| 22:17.25 | n-iCe | wheezy uses gnome3? |
| 22:17.28 | g00fy | i used to use fluxbox |
| 22:17.57 | idler420 | LISTEN TO ME |
| 22:17.58 | idler420 | HELPPP |
| 22:18.02 | idler420 | i cant use apt-get |
| 22:18.10 | idler420 | it says packgage not found |
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| 22:18.30 | kink | LISTEN TO HIM!@@!~ |
| 22:18.37 | idler420 | YEAH MANG |
| 22:18.48 | kink | idler420, then maybe you don't have the correct repository that has that package? |
| 22:18.51 | g00fy | idler420, wget --help |
| 22:18.54 | idler420 | how do i add it |
| 22:19.03 | idler420 | add repos |
| 22:19.11 | idler420 | apt-add-repository? |
| 22:19.15 | kink | google.com |
| 22:19.19 | g00fy | oh, and please do try: # sudo apt-get |
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| 22:19.27 | kink | repositories are located in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:20.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell idler420 about bat |
| 22:20.06 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell idler420 about paste |
| 22:20.11 | kink | g00fy, what vm do you use now? I used to use flux back in the slackware days |
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| 22:20.55 | g00fy | kink, LOL, me too, nowaday's i'm stuck with the defaults: gnome... |
| 22:21.26 | idler420 | i always get package not found |
| 22:21.31 | idler420 | like |
| 22:21.38 | idler420 | apt-get install openbox |
| 22:21.43 | idler420 | package not found |
| 22:21.44 | kink | g00fy, iirc, you have to make your own menus in fluxbox correct? like indiviually for applications. |
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| 22:21.54 | g00fy | sorry, not kink, jelly-jome |
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| 22:22.22 | kink | IdleOne, try? sudo apt-get install openbox |
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| 22:22.32 | kink | err not IdleOne idler420 |
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| 22:22.39 | g00fy | kink, yeap, as i recall it that was an option, latter on i found an app that did that, but vim was still way faster... |
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| 22:23.14 | mumpitze1 | idler420: then your sources.list is misconfigured |
| 22:23.19 | idler420 | how do i configure it |
| 22:23.25 | idler420 | im on base debian now |
| 22:23.26 | idler420 | lol |
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| 22:23.31 | idler420 | nothing installed yet |
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| 22:23.58 | g00fy | idler420, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:24.34 | g00fy | in fact, now that i think it through... just launch synaptic |
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| 22:25.19 | dfx | joj: hello i came back to thank you |
| 22:25.21 | idler420 | gedit: command not found |
| 22:25.29 | joj | dfx: everything ok? |
| 22:25.34 | dfx | so my xinit was not executed |
| 22:25.35 | kink | sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:25.39 | dfx | yeh joj thanks you |
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| 22:26.15 | idler420 | i dont have synaptic |
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| 22:26.30 | kink | idler420, sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:26.53 | Towzzer | pico :D |
| 22:26.56 | Towzzer | come on buddy pal |
| 22:26.57 | dfx | kink: i guess he does not have sudo yet so su |
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| 22:27.20 | idler420 | ok |
| 22:27.28 | idler420 | got it |
| 22:27.29 | idler420 | thanks |
| 22:27.35 | idler420 | any recs for sources? |
| 22:27.53 | jelly-home | idler420: what's your goal? |
| 22:28.00 | kink | echo 'idler420 ALL=(ALL) ALL' >> /etc/sudoers |
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| 22:28.20 | kink | idler420, run that as root and change idler420 to whatever user you want to be added to the sudoers list |
| 22:28.21 | abrotman | kink: why? |
| 22:28.31 | jelly-home | kink: don't do that unless the person asked about "how to configure sudo in an insecure manner" |
| 22:28.48 | kink | as long as you >> and not > you are good :) |
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| 22:29.35 | idler420 | uh |
| 22:29.53 | kink | idler420, i guess don't do what I said :) |
| 22:30.08 | idler420 | i can just |
| 22:30.11 | idler420 | sudo -s |
| 22:30.14 | idler420 | right |
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| 22:33.07 | joj | idler420: just add yourself to the sudo group: usermod -a -G sudo as root. On stock Debian, it should have the same effect as kink's suggestion, I think. (And logout and login for the change to take effect). |
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| 22:33.44 | joj | idler420: sorry: usermod -a -G sudo $YOURUSERNAME |
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| 22:35.21 | g00fy | is there any reason so that this page: http://live.debian.net/manual/current/index.en.html hit's the wall? |
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| 22:38.21 | joj | g00fy: I think it has been superseeded by http://live.debian.net/devel/live-manual/ with a change to manpages? |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | g00fy: when looking for what? |
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| 22:40.41 | g00fy | joj, thank you. abrotman i was looking for the current debian-live manual |
| 22:40.49 | zykotick9 | joj: i find, when giving your suggestion (to add to sudo group) that "adduser USERNAME GROUPNAME" is a bit safer, usermod without the -a is destructive [yes, you included it!] |
| 22:41.51 | g00fy | abrotman, been tinkering with it in squeeze |
| 22:42.13 | g00fy | but really thinking in going up a notch or two |
| 22:42.14 | joj | zykotick9: thanks, seems I have to change another habit |
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| 22:54.29 | ashka | is sid froze already ? |
| 22:55.30 | jelly-home | ashka: sid will never freeze |
| 22:55.55 | ashka | it's weird-ish |
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| 22:56.16 | ashka | I've got almost no updates recently |
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| 23:02.17 | infinityloop | hi all. I was hoping someone could help me resolve my screensaver issue. I'm running wheezy and xfce as wm. For some reason in the xfce settings panel I have various options including the screensaver icon |
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| 23:02.41 | rweitz | hello. i have installed debian on a lenovo x230 laptop, but i cannot adjust the screen brightness. it always comes up very bright and i cant seem to reduce it. is there any configuration i need to do to reduce the brightness? |
| 23:02.42 | infinityloop | when I click on the icon nothing happens. The problem that im having is that after 10mins of inactivity my monitor goes to sleep |
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| 23:03.45 | infinityloop | so if im watching something this becomes annoying very quickly |
| 23:04.45 | jelly-home | infinityloop: oh, run "xscreensaver-command -prefs" manually instead |
| 23:06.25 | infinityloop | jelly-home: thanks let me try this. I might have found also an article that explains that this might be due to a X power setting let me check |
| 23:07.22 | infinityloop | jelly-home: it gave this : Segmentation fault |
| 23:07.30 | infinityloop | jelly-home: not good |
| 23:07.42 | jelly-home | that's certainly unusual |
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| 23:08.11 | jelly-home | infinityloop: are you willing to log off and log back in at this point, then try it again? |
| 23:08.44 | infinityloop | jelly-home: sure can go brb |
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| 23:10.59 | CableNinja | I've got a vm that doesnt have wan access, but I'd still like to perform upgrades on. without adding an IP, how can I accomplish this? I was considering setting up a mount to a list of packages from a server that does have access, but I'm not sure how to do this best so I can continue to use apt |
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| 23:12.35 | joj | CableNinja: would you be ok with actually having WAN access from within your VM? |
| 23:12.47 | CableNinja | joj: rather not |
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| 23:16.01 | infinityloop | jelly-home: hi, so I tried again, and got seg fault again. Then I reran with sudo and it start the screen saver preference popup. But I got also an error popup |
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| 23:16.22 | aLphaJerk | gnumeric is awesome for anyone that cares to know ^^ |
| 23:16.32 | infinityloop | jelly-home: stating the xscreensaver daemon didn't start up properly |
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| 23:16.58 | jelly-home | infinityloop: you should not run it with sudo. |
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| 23:17.33 | infinityloop | jelly-home: yeah I know, but what I don't understand is why as my normal user does it not run (seg fault) but as su it runs |
| 23:17.37 | somiaj | CableNinja: do you have another vm/machine/same version of debian? |
| 23:17.58 | CableNinja | yes |
| 23:18.04 | infinityloop | jelly-home: its suggesting to authorize localhost to access for x : xhost +localhost |
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| 23:18.11 | jelly-home | infinityloop: hell no |
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| 23:18.29 | somiaj | CableNinja: one thing you could do is mount the vm filesystem on the host, chroot into it and upgrade it that way |
| 23:18.46 | jelly-home | infinityloop: quit the one running as root, and make sure there is no "xscreensaver" process running after it |
| 23:18.55 | CableNinja | somiaj: o.O |
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| 23:19.20 | joj | CableNinja: Then, I would probably set up a local APT rep with a method from http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository, make the repo tree accessible from within the VM and point apt to it. apt also supports the file:// pseudo protocol, so you could use filesystems. |
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| 23:19.39 | joj | CableNinja: however, somiaj's solution is cleaner and better, I think |
| 23:19.43 | infinityloop | jelly-home: yeah I quit it and no process is running. I saw a post stating how to deactivate this it in the xinitrc config file |
| 23:20.11 | infinityloop | jelly-home: any ideas on the seg fault? |
| 23:20.16 | jelly-home | infinityloop: ok, let try this other thing. In a terminal, try running xscreensaver & |
| 23:20.40 | infinityloop | jelly-home: which log file would the process write to when starting up? |
| 23:21.06 | infinityloop | jelly-home: xscreensaver & worked |
| 23:21.10 | jelly-home | infinityloop: most apps started by the X session should get their stderr written to ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 23:21.37 | jelly-home | infinityloop: really? so "jobs" in that terminal shows it still running? |
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| 23:22.40 | infinityloop | jelly-home: [1]+ Segmentation fault xscreensaver |
| 23:22.52 | jelly-home | "no," then |
| 23:23.11 | infinityloop | jelly-home: yeah I got misled when it returned with a pid |
| 23:23.20 | jelly-home | infinityloop: strace -f -o/tmp/xscreensaver.strace xscreensaver |
| 23:23.38 | jelly-home | infinityloop: after it breaks, pastebin the contents of /tmp/xscreensaver.strace |
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| 23:23.58 | Titan8990 | ulimit -c unlimited |
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| 23:24.21 | aLphaJerk | I can't find the settings to enable compiz side window snapping. It seems to work when i pull to the top, but not the sides, anyone know? |
| 23:24.49 | r00t-err0r | > /dev/null goodnight2>&all1 |
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| 23:27.07 | infinityloop | jelly-home: any app I can install to automatically paste a file to pastebin? |
| 23:27.35 | infinityloop | jelly-home: by automatically I meant pasting from the shell rather than going on a website |
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| 23:29.22 | jelly-home | infinityloop: cat whatever-file | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 23:29.52 | infinityloop | thanks |
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| 23:32.30 | infinityloop | jelly-home: http://sprunge.us/DffU |
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| 23:33.57 | jelly-home | infinityloop: 5754 access("/home/ayor/.Xauthority", R_OK) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 23:34.11 | jelly-home | infinityloop: that file ought to be owned by your normal user |
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| 23:35.03 | jelly-home | and mode 0600 |
| 23:35.40 | infinityloop | jelly-home: just checked and it has rw permisson for my user |
| 23:36.05 | jelly-home | infinityloop: ls -ld /home/ayor /home/ayor/.Xauthority, please |
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| 23:37.04 | infinityloop | jelly-home: drwxr-xr-x 40 ayor ayor 4096 May 1 00:10 /home/ayor/ |
| 23:37.13 | dfoolz | hello. can someone help me kill a parent process with a bash loop that is spawning sleep processes? |
| 23:37.23 | dfoolz | root 1765 0.0 0.0 5364 568 pts/1 S+ 01:32 0:00 \_ sleep 3 |
| 23:37.27 | infinityloop | -rw------- 1 ayor ayor 54 May 1 00:10 /home/ayor/.Xauthority |
| 23:37.28 | dfoolz | is the ps -uf output for it |
| 23:37.42 | dfoolz | how can I kill the process that spawned that (which is a bash script with a loop) |
| 23:37.54 | jelly-home | infinityloop: looks about right; what about "ls -ld / /home" then? |
| 23:38.15 | infinityloop | jelly-home: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 26 20:01 /home/ |
| 23:38.32 | jelly-home | dfoolz: find out its parent process (its ppid) |
| 23:39.11 | dfoolz | jelly-home, that's what I'm trying to do, but I'm too nub to analyize ps output and kill the right process :c |
| 23:39.30 | jelly-home | dfoolz: ps -ffp $(pgrep -uroot -f 'sleep 3') |
| 23:39.50 | dfoolz | thank you thank you :D |
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| 23:40.15 | jelly-home | dfoolz: also, pstree might be helpful |
| 23:40.24 | dfoolz | :o |
| 23:40.37 | jelly-home | infinityloop: ok, and / ? |
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| 23:41.38 | dfoolz | thanks jelly-home |
| 23:42.03 | infinityloop | jelly-home: drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 4096 Apr 26 18:33 / |
| 23:44.02 | jelly-home | infinityloop: well, those all look sane. I'm not sure why xscreensaver would fail at access(). does "id -a" in the same terminal show you're running as user ayor? |
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| 23:44.52 | infinityloop | jelly-home: uid=1000(ayor) gid=1000(ayor) groups=1000(ayor),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),103(netdev),105(scanner),108(bluetooth) |
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| 23:48.26 | jelly-home | infinityloop: hm. does "xauth list" work and display one or more lines of output? |
| 23:48.56 | infinityloop | jelly-home: yes displays one line |
| 23:49.16 | jelly-home | what does it say |
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| 23:49.51 | infinityloop | jelly-home: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 32cb65e5a0263dbd9ff9336f1c6dcba2 |
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| 23:50.15 | jelly-home | that's not the complete output, is it? |
| 23:50.33 | jelly-home | is there something else in front? |
| 23:50.48 | infinityloop | jelly-home: soulstone/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 32cb65e5a0263dbd9ff9336f1c6dcba2 |
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| 23:52.02 | jelly-home | ok, that looks sane as well |
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| 23:55.11 | infinityloop | jelly-home: I think its a permission issue as if it was binary related or something else root also wouldn't be able to run it |
| 23:55.23 | jelly-home | infinityloop: well, let's try strace one more time, "strace -s81 -f -o/tmp/xscreensaver2.strace xscreensaver" |
| 23:55.26 | infinityloop | jelly-home: would I need to be in some special group? |
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| 23:55.53 | jelly-home | no, things ought to work as the normal user logged in to X |
| 23:56.32 | jelly-home | hm |
| 23:56.44 | jelly-home | 5754 getuid() = 65534 |
| 23:56.45 | jelly-home | 5754 getgid() = 65534 |
| 23:56.49 | jelly-home | that's really weird |
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| 23:59.10 | infinityloop | jelly-home: http://sprunge.us/YSME |
| 23:59.39 | jelly-home | you wouldn't be running that as root? |
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