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| 00:00.29 | ChibaPet | Hm, 1) I should look at OpenVZ. 2) Google and DuckDuckGo don't say much. |
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| 00:02.46 | mdh1 | I've upgraded my squeeze system to wheezy, and now I keep getting this perl error: |
| 00:02.49 | mdh1 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 00:03.29 | ChibaPet | try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 00:05.32 | mdh1 | i've run this, and there still seems to be a problem |
| 00:05.53 | ChibaPet | It's also possible you've got hosed up settings in your shell. What does 'echo $LANG' say? |
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| 00:06.28 | mdh1 | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 00:08.34 | phox | loaden: alt+printscreen+v |
| 00:08.39 | phox | hold the first 2, press v |
| 00:08.56 | phox | sometimes it's disabled in dumb kernels etc. anywho, gotta go. |
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| 00:09.57 | loaden | phox: alt-sysrq-v did not help too. |
| 00:10.04 | ChibaPet | mdh1: That should be sufficient. When you ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, did you note that en_US.UTF-8 was checked? |
| 00:10.26 | loaden | phox: I'm reading some `Magic SysRq` things, e.g. REISUB to save reboot. |
| 00:10.54 | mdh1 | yes, it was checked |
| 00:11.07 | loaden | phox: but it's still can not see anything. only darkness on the screen. |
| 00:11.39 | mdh1 | it said Generating locales (this might take a while)...en_US.UTF-8... done Generation complete. |
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| 00:12.24 | ChibaPet | mdh1: Yeah, that sounds proper. We've exhausted what I'd try, so I'm searching a bit to try to find it. |
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| 00:12.47 | matlock | ok guys |
| 00:12.51 | mdh1 | ChibaPet: thanks |
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| 00:13.08 | matlock | Terminal Server Client won't connect to a windows 7 machine via remote. |
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| 00:13.32 | matlock | Windows seven: firewalls off, rdp enabled, services running, pingable |
| 00:13.46 | matlock | however nmap shows all ports filtered |
| 00:13.48 | nabblet | hi, would you recommend me to use btrfs for productive use? |
| 00:13.49 | ChibaPet | mdh1: It's a bit frustrating in that everything I'm seeing says to go run locale-gen, which the dpkg-reconfigure did for you. |
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| 00:13.56 | ChibaPet | nabblet: no |
| 00:14.22 | mdh1 | ChibaPet: in my env variable, LANGUAGE and LC_ALL are unset |
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| 00:14.33 | mdh1 | ChibaPet: should those be set? |
| 00:14.57 | ChibaPet | mdh1: They aren't here, so I don't think that's it. |
| 00:15.19 | nabblet | ChibaPet: what about ext4? |
| 00:16.06 | ChibaPet | nabblet: Yes, that's a safe bet. Eventually btrfs will be too, but they need a few more tools and some more blood shed by testers. |
| 00:16.58 | ChibaPet | mdh1: http://linux.livejournal.com/1880366.html has the most concise information I'm seeing. It seems like it shouldn't be necessary to go beyond dpkg-reconfigure locales though. |
| 00:17.03 | mdh1 | ChibaPet: in /usr/lib/locale all i see is C.UTF-8 and locale-archive |
| 00:17.23 | nabblet | ChibaPet: ok. i am setting up a small home server (mainly for data, no mulitmedia) and thought the btrfs features might be nice |
| 00:17.35 | ChibaPet | mdh1: same here |
| 00:17.48 | nabblet | ChibaPet: thank you for your advice |
| 00:17.55 | ChibaPet | nabblet: If you're not risk-averse, try it. However, note that if you fill the disk, there's a small chance you won't be able to recover from it. |
| 00:18.32 | ChibaPet | nabblet: If you want a safe bet and no drama, ext4 is your boy. Lately I run it inside of LVM so I can get LVM snapshots for back-ups. It's reasonable. |
| 00:18.34 | nabblet | ChibaPet: ok - thanks |
| 00:18.45 | innmalint | I broke my crunchbang install, so I'm preparing for wheezy; should I install either squeeze or wheezy testing if I plan to upgrade to wheezy stable upon release? |
| 00:18.55 | ChibaPet | mdh1: That's all I've got here too. The only other thing that comes to mind is your default system locale. |
| 00:19.16 | nabblet | ChibaPet: so when i use ext4 - what can i use for data integrity? |
| 00:19.24 | nabblet | ChibaPet: eg detect bit-flips |
| 00:19.35 | ChibaPet | mdh1: Here I have "None" and I think either should work, but it's not clear to me what's wrong that you're seeing. |
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| 00:20.14 | ChibaPet | nabblet: Hm, I'm not sure what notes that sort of detail, but I'm happy with software RAID 1, with LUKS sitting on that, LVM sitting on LUKS, and ext4 sitting on LVM. |
| 00:20.54 | nabblet | ChibaPet: ok |
| 00:21.09 | ChibaPet | mdh1: Dunno, I hope someone else has a sharper clue than me, or that you figure it out on your own without too much pain. Sorry I couldn't be more useful. |
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| 00:21.34 | ChibaPet | nabblet: LUKS is obviously a completely arbitrary inclusion there from a data integrity point of view. |
| 00:22.04 | nabblet | ChibaPet: yes. last attempt ;) - thank you & good bye (it's ~ half past two at my place) |
| 00:22.21 | nabblet | ChibaPet: i appreciate your advice |
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| 00:22.52 | nabblet | ChibaPet: i will look into LUKS - have close to no knowledge about it |
| 00:22.59 | ChibaPet | nabblet: Sure thing! When in doubt, choose the boring option, especially with filesystems. The more boring, the better. |
| 00:23.19 | mdh1 | ChibaPet: i think i fixed it, somehow i managed to uninstall locales and i just noticed it wasn't there |
| 00:23.48 | ChibaPet | mdh1: Oh, very odd. Not sure how dpkg-reconfigure worked with locales not installed..... But, good. :) |
| 00:24.05 | mdh1 | ChibaPet: i may have run that on the wrong machine lol, too many terminals open |
| 00:24.21 | ChibaPet | mdh1: I've done that. More than once. |
| 00:24.23 | mdh1 | everything seems to be working right now though, thanks for the help |
| 00:24.28 | ChibaPet | Glad to hear it. |
| 00:24.29 | innmalint | am i understanding correctly that all I have to do to upgrade from testing to stable is enable the stable repositories? Nothing else? |
| 00:25.05 | ChibaPet | innmalint: No, wrong direction. Testing to Stable is *not* supported. It's possible but perilous. Better to reinstall. |
| 00:25.47 | ChibaPet | innmalint: At this point, however, Testing will be promoted to Stable as early as this weekend, so if you're running Testing, I'd probably stick with it unless you have really compelling reasons not to. |
| 00:25.47 | innmalint | alright. i'm still learning a lot, moved recently from xubuntu to crunchbang -- accidently rm -f'd a wrong file in /usr/src so i'm trying to figure out what to do next |
| 00:26.23 | innmalint | i'm gonna wear my poor ssd out if i install a temporary OS waiting for stable unless I can just upgrade stable to testing |
| 00:26.32 | innmalint | * testing to stable |
| 00:26.49 | ChibaPet | testing → stable is a downgrade |
| 00:26.49 | Vicissitude | testing to stable would be a downgrade just now |
| 00:26.55 | ChibaPet | stable → testing is an upgrade |
| 00:26.56 | ChibaPet | ,versions |
| 00:26.57 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 00:27.04 | ChibaPet | oh, wrong one, um... |
| 00:27.07 | ChibaPet | ,releases |
| 00:27.39 | ChibaPet | I don't know. Here: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 00:28.06 | innmalint | i hope i'm reading this right -- wheezy testing can or cannot be upgraded to wheezy stable when it's released? sorry for the confusion |
| 00:28.43 | ChibaPet | innmalint: Ah, that's an issue. Wheezy is Wheezy. Wheezy is currently the testing release, but it's going to be considered the stable release soon. |
| 00:29.00 | ChibaPet | innmalint: When Wheezy is deemed "stable" then you won't have to do a thing to keep using it. |
| 00:29.22 | innmalint | ah just an aptitude update/upgrade. speaking of that...should i be using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 00:29.44 | ChibaPet | innmalint: If your /etc/apt/sources.list says "testing" though, you'd be well-advised to change references to "testing" to "wheezy" soon. They're synonymous now, but once Wheezy is "stable", "testing" will start drifting forward. |
| 00:30.01 | ChibaPet | innmalint: Whichever you prefer. I like aptitude for its searching facilities. |
| 00:30.31 | innmalint | ChibaPet: I don't have anything so far except a broken crunchbang install ;) i rm-f'd something in /usr/src... |
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| 00:31.05 | ChibaPet | innmalint: Not sure what CrunchBang is. If I were you, and this is feasible, I'd snag the Wheezy RC2 installer and use that for a fresh install. |
| 00:31.38 | ChibaPet | tell innmalint about frankendebian |
| 00:31.51 | ChibaPet | !tell innmalint about frankendebian |
| 00:31.56 | Vicissitude | that's a cool name :) |
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| 00:32.02 | ChibaPet | I'll figure out this IRC thing someday. |
| 00:32.19 | innmalint | haha same here, i'm using irssi now and it's quite different |
| 00:32.39 | innmalint | so i won't have a frankendebian if i just use wheezy and wait for the jump to stable? |
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| 00:33.05 | loaden | hi, guys, I have another problem, and asked in #chromium-support, but there have no idea. the issue: |
| 00:33.10 | loaden | hi, guys! I'm a Wheezy user, used `GNOME3 + Lightdm + Chromium`, and now I got a problem: I can't open the downloads folder, and can't open the downloaded file too. |
| 00:33.11 | ChibaPet | innmalint: As long as your /etc/apt/sources.list says "wheezy" and not "testing" you'll be fine. |
| 00:33.22 | loaden | does anyone have the same issue? |
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| 00:33.34 | innmalint | i'll see how it goes. would you perchance be able to answer a kernel upgrade question? |
| 00:33.44 | ChibaPet | innmalint: Possibly. Better just to ask. |
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| 00:34.35 | innmalint | i need to upgrade to 3.8+ due to a stupid gaming mouse i got for christmas. I've seen several guides on how to do it, but i've stuck with the LONG method of make menuconfig, not knowing what half the stuff does. do you know of a simpler route to kernel upgrades? like copying a config over and just selecting the new options? |
| 00:34.36 | Gunni | Can someone help me with this error installing a package: "Not replacing deleted config file" i've tried everything i can find on google |
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| 00:37.43 | ChibaPet | innmalint: It's been ages since I've hand-built a Lignux kernel. Something you could possibly consider is running one from Experimental, which looks like it has something 3.8-related. |
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| 00:38.52 | innmalint | ChibaPet: There are pre-configured kernels? Maybe I've been doing it the hard way all along...I've no need to hand-build it afaik, i just needed one new module |
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| 00:39.12 | ChibaPet | innmalint: Yeah, but see aforementioned Frankendebian entry. :) |
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| 00:39.58 | innmalint | ChibaPet: true, I'll do some research before I go and break everything (again), thanks! |
| 00:40.27 | ChibaPet | Sure; have fun. |
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| 00:40.43 | innmalint | loaden: i found a thread on the arch forum that suggests removing exo-utils. i don't wanna be responsible for breaking your system but here's the link: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=112069 |
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| 00:42.20 | mumpitze1 | innmalint: you can simply install 3.8 from experimental (I suggest you run wheezy) |
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| 00:42.37 | mumpitze1 | !tell Gunni about confmiss |
| 00:42.54 | ChibaPet | Hm. So, I don't want to run OpenVZ because we don't have an upstream-kernel-friendly vzctl, and LXC might be limited such that one can break out of it. Hrm. Will continue pondering. |
| 00:42.56 | innmalint | mumpitzel: that sounds much better than arduously digging through menuconfig! mind sharing how to do that? |
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| 00:43.31 | mumpitze1 | add experimetnal and install linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 or similar |
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| 00:43.35 | loaden | innmalint: thx, but seems not the same issue. I have not installed the exo-utils package. |
| 00:43.43 | mumpitze1 | !experimental |
| 00:43.43 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 00:43.48 | innmalint | ah sorry loaden |
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| 00:44.16 | innmalint | mumpitzel i guess my question is is it just a sudo aptitude install linux-image....? |
| 00:44.20 | mumpitze1 | loaden: any error message? |
| 00:44.21 | mumpitze1 | yes it is |
| 00:44.35 | loaden | innmalint: thx for notice, I wana try to install the exo-utils package, and want see any happenning. |
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| 00:44.51 | ChibaPet | innmalint: you'd also need experimental in your repository, and you'd need -t to target it, normally. |
| 00:45.06 | Gunni | mumpitze1, i get this http://codepad.org/myQ3xq4c |
| 00:45.06 | ChibaPet | s/repository/sources.list/ |
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| 00:45.13 | innmalint | adding expiremental is just uncommenting the repo, yeah? |
| 00:45.15 | loaden | mumpitze1: there does not have any message. |
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| 00:45.44 | mumpitze1 | loaden: start chromium via terminal |
| 00:45.48 | loaden | mumpitze1: it's just does not work. can't open, can't show. still remain the same page. |
| 00:45.54 | mumpitze1 | innmalint: no. it's adding it |
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| 00:46.23 | innmalint | ah i'm familiar with that as well.. |
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| 00:46.48 | loaden | mumpitze1: I've tried this before, and right now, it still show nothing, no debug strings. |
| 00:46.59 | innmalint | and after that...nvidia drivers time |
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| 00:48.12 | ChibaPet | innmalint: I run nVidia stuff from Experimental. Still haven't managed to get threaded OpenGL to work. If you get it working, please tell me how. :) |
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| 00:48.43 | innmalint | that sounds daunting. about all i use the drivers for is minecraft and i couldn't tell you if that requires threaded opengl or not |
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| 00:49.25 | ChibaPet | Nothing *requires* it, but it's supposed to be a significant performance boost if you have something single-threaded and cpu-bound. |
| 00:49.34 | ChibaPet | WoW, for instance. |
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| 00:49.49 | innmalint | i see. do you expect this to improve when it moves out of the expirmental repos? |
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| 00:50.23 | ChibaPet | innmalint: Not sure. I'm thinking more that I should stop playing WoW. |
| 00:50.44 | innmalint | ChibaPet: I've avoided it because I've had friends tell me the same thing ;) |
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| 00:51.03 | innmalint | although i thought WoW was windows only |
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| 00:51.07 | ChibaPet | I run a guild, met my wife there, and have my second baby on the way. So it's had positive effects. I can quit now and come out ahead. |
| 00:51.16 | ChibaPet | innmalint: No, Wine runs it fairly well. |
| 00:51.33 | Gunni | even using confmiss i can't get the config files for this package: http://codepad.org/myQ3xq4c |
| 00:51.50 | innmalint | nice, i wasted a week or so on fallout on wine, worked perfectly as well. and congrats, my smoking addiction hasn't helped me near as much |
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| 00:52.58 | themill | dpkg: tell Gunni about ucf confmiss |
| 00:53.15 | innmalint | well i'm gonna go save some files using a livecd and install wheezy. thanks for the assistance! |
| 00:53.28 | ChibaPet | Have fun! Gonna watch some Star Trek, here. o/ |
| 00:53.30 | themill | Gunni: that package is using "ucf" to handle those configuration files not the regular dpkg conffile handling |
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| 00:53.43 | loaden | hi, all, the Chromium issue, I got the debug output now. |
| 00:53.59 | Gunni | THANK YOU themill |
| 00:54.01 | themill | Gunni: (and yes, the sooner ucf gets merged into dpkg the better) |
| 00:54.02 | Gunni | finally |
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| 00:54.32 | loaden | xdg-open: gnome-open: not found |
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| 00:57.13 | themill | loaden: which release of debian? I assume you're not actually running gnome |
| 00:57.32 | loaden | themill: I am using Wheezy. |
| 00:57.59 | loaden | And only install gnome-shell with --no-install-recommends |
| 00:58.22 | loaden | sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends xorg gnome-session gnome-menus gnome-tweak-tool gnome-shell |
| 00:58.32 | themill | do you have libgnome2-0 installed? |
| 00:58.58 | loaden | themill: no |
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| 01:00.29 | themill | odd. I would have thought that lots of things depended on it |
| 01:00.38 | loaden | themill: it's works after install libgnome2-0, thx! |
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| 01:02.38 | themill | no worries |
| 01:02.56 | kingsley | What's the path of least resistance between several tar.gz files of source code and a more maintainable debian package of pre-compiled binaries? |
| 01:03.21 | ChibaPet | kingsley: consider GNU Stow |
| 01:03.49 | themill | or making a .deb out of them |
| 01:03.50 | loaden | themill: the libgnome2-0 should depends on libgnome2-0, but `apt-cache depends xdg-utils` does not tell us. |
| 01:04.14 | loaden | themill: sorry, the xdg-utils should dpends on libgnome2-0. right? |
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| 01:05.11 | kingsley | themill: Yes, I would like to make a .deb. |
| 01:05.20 | themill | loaden: well it would be wrong for xdg to depend on gnome components -- its heuristics for working out what DE you're running aren't quite right here. Also, by asking for gnome-session rather than gnome-core and disabling recommends, you are taking all responsibility for functionality that is lost. |
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| 01:06.17 | loaden | themill: I got it, big thanks! :-) |
| 01:06.24 | themill | kingsley: dh-make makes a reasonable starting point especially for sane upstream sources using autotools |
| 01:06.38 | kingsley | ChibaPet: Stow seems useful under some circumstances. Do you happen to know if it can make a .deb? |
| 01:06.54 | ChibaPet | kingsley: It can't. themill's suggestion is probably better for you. |
| 01:07.51 | kingsley | themill: I'll check it out. |
| 01:08.04 | ChibaPet | Alright. And now, Trek. |
| 01:08.40 | themill | checkinstall is the other cheap way of making a deb, but checkinstall doesn't really give you the option of improving the package whereas with dh-make you are making a real debian package that you can keep on working on. |
| 01:09.03 | themill | kingsley: you might want to read the new maintainer's guide (/msg dpkg nmg) to learn what dh-make is doing and become familiar with packaging. |
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| 01:13.51 | kevix | my woody desktop had video output. after a few hours, the video output stopped. hitting a key does not activate it. but I can ssh to the box. any idea how to revive the video? |
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| 01:16.16 | kevix | oh. not woody, wheezy |
| 01:16.29 | twinkie_addict | how do i replace vesa or mesa with xorg-vidio-intell on wheezy ? |
| 01:17.00 | kingsley | themill: Would you agree that the path of least resistance between several tar.gz files of source code and a more maintainable debian package of pre-compiled binaries is probably checkinstall, but dh-make is more likely to ultimately succeed, and produce a better package? |
| 01:17.33 | twinkie_addict | it seems to be removed from the kernel in the 3.2.x and up |
| 01:18.00 | twinkie_addict | or do need to recompile my kernel ? |
| 01:18.01 | kevix | checkinstall is a way to use './configure make make install' and allow for easy removal |
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| 01:19.22 | themill | kingsley: fair summary. Real packages are going to be much more work to start with and hopefully much less in the long run. |
| 01:19.54 | ckoch786 | Is there some place I can look to see the status of unstable packages? |
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| 01:20.12 | ckoch786 | status being when they will enter testing |
| 01:20.19 | kevix | packages.debian.org |
| 01:21.16 | kevix | debian packages entering unstable have a 'priority' field, this defaults to 10 days unless there are bugs noticed |
| 01:21.38 | kevix | after 10 days it should it testing |
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| 01:23.13 | ckoch786 | okay, I have been looking around packages but I cannot seem to find the priority for GNU Emacs 24 |
| 01:23.17 | ckoch786 | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/emacs |
| 01:24.22 | mumpitze1 | ,versions emacs |
| 01:24.23 | judd | Package: emacs on i386 -- sid: 23.2+1-7; squeeze: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; sid: 45.0; wheezy: 45.0 |
| 01:24.44 | ckoch786 | What does the (45) mean |
| 01:25.31 | ckoch786 | so 24 is not even in unstable? |
| 01:26.05 | themill | ,v emacs24 |
| 01:26.06 | judd | Package: emacs24 on i386 -- sid: 24.3+1-1 |
| 01:26.46 | themill | I don't know whether all the other emacs-using packages in sid have been updated to that version though. |
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| 01:27.56 | SerajewelKS | what do you call those systems that let you control whether an outlet receives power with a computer? i know there is some software in debian to do this but i can't recall the name. |
| 01:28.53 | SerajewelKS | some device runs from the computer to the wall, and then you can send signals through the power lines in the house to other adapters and control their state |
| 01:29.23 | kevix | SerajewelKS: X10 home automation ? |
| 01:29.30 | SerajewelKS | that sounds right |
| 01:29.44 | kevix | the newer version has 2-way communication |
| 01:29.46 | ckoch786 | thanks |
| 01:29.48 | SerajewelKS | firecracker or something? |
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| 01:29.52 | kevix | yeah |
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| 01:30.49 | SerajewelKS | i need to bookmark this, heh |
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| 01:32.42 | SerajewelKS | holy shit their website is a mess |
| 01:32.44 | twinkie_addict | brb reboot |
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| 01:33.42 | SerajewelKS | oh, it's RF |
| 01:33.54 | SerajewelKS | i thought the signals went through the house power wiring |
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| 01:34.45 | kevix | yeah |
| 01:35.27 | kevix | computer->x10 interferface->power->x10 module->device |
| 01:36.30 | kevix | there are some rf remote controls that activate an x10 interface |
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| 01:42.44 | digitalirony | hrmm |
| 01:42.53 | digitalirony | is neflix throwing 503's for anyone else? |
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| 01:44.37 | Vicissitude | came right up for me, digitalirony |
| 01:44.46 | digitalirony | weird |
| 01:44.49 | digitalirony | it is now for me too |
| 01:45.00 | digitalirony | but after login, it was throwing 503 for about 20 min. |
| 01:45.13 | digitalirony | and I figured they would have fail overs and such |
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| 02:01.42 | SerajewelKS | kevix: so there is a device that i can plug in that will go computer -> wall? |
| 02:02.03 | kevix | yeah |
| 02:02.05 | SerajewelKS | kevix: i'm a bit worried about that actually, i figure that if i plug the other end into the UPS, the UPS will power-level away the signals... but if i plug into the wall then i'm vulnerable to surges. |
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| 02:12.39 | rryoumaa | so you need the ups to understand the protocol |
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| 02:19.47 | kevix | SerajewelKS: http://www.thehomeautomationstore.com/cm11a.html |
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| 02:25.20 | ex-parrot | anyone know what package the icons for rhythmbox are in in wheezy? there are a lot of "missing icons" in the UI |
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| 02:26.53 | kevix | ex-parrot: when looking for files, I use apt-file |
| 02:27.18 | ex-parrot | kevix: problem is I don't know what the files it wants are even called... |
| 02:27.28 | kevix | ah |
| 02:28.29 | kevix | ex-parrot: it would have to be a package depenency-- requires, suggest, recommends |
| 02:28.44 | CableNinja | ex-parrot: there should be a package for your desktop env's default icons |
| 02:28.53 | CableNinja | I assume thats what you're missing |
| 02:28.58 | ex-parrot | I've got as many reasonable gnome icon packages installed as I could find |
| 02:29.05 | ex-parrot | I'll check the suggested and recommended deps |
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| 02:34.17 | innmalint | i'm so confused. all i want is to boot debian testing on a usb...which of these do i want? and do i have to put the whole thing together or is there an iso? |
| 02:34.24 | innmalint | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 02:34.44 | ex-parrot | kevix: doesn't look like any of the recommends / suggests deps are icon related, and I have all the required ones :( |
| 02:35.43 | ex-parrot | innmalint: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz will let you boot the installer from a USB |
| 02:35.55 | innmalint | i'm used to dd' |
| 02:36.02 | mumpitzel | !tell innmalint about wheezy installer |
| 02:36.04 | innmalint | *dd'ing an iso straight to it. |
| 02:36.13 | loaden | dd works to me. |
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| 02:36.26 | mumpitzel | and you can simply dd an iso over to a usb stick: it's ahybrid image |
| 02:36.28 | ex-parrot | gunzip that file, write it to the USB stick, mount the USB stick filesystem and copy the business card ISO to it |
| 02:36.37 | mumpitzel | hd-media has been outdated for a LONG time |
| 02:36.43 | ex-parrot | that's useful to know |
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| 02:36.53 | innmalint | thanks! i'll see where it leads me. for some reason debian's website is so confusing to me |
| 02:37.05 | mumpitzel | innmalint: check the message from dpkg |
| 02:37.27 | mumpitzel | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:37.57 | mumpitzel | are you installing to a PC which uses WLAN? |
| 02:38.12 | innmalint | no but it's hardwired in |
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| 02:45.41 | loaden | hi, guys! I'm a `Wheezy + GNOME3 + Lightdm + ATI-fglrx-driver` user. When I reboot or enter tty1 use Ctrl+Alt+F1, the screen will black (darkness), but every thing seems just works. e.g. I can login in tty1 and `startx` into X again. It seems only the screen can't see anything. `Alt+SysRq+V` did not help. Does anyone have the same issue? OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 7400 Series / OpenGL version string: 4.2.11762 Compatibility Profile Context. |
| 02:47.19 | ex-parrot | CableNinja: what would that package likely be called? I've got gnome-icon-theme, gnome-icon-theme-extras, gnome-extra-icons, tango-icon-theme and xfdesktop4 already |
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| 02:47.42 | CableNinja | ex-parrot: euh.. I cant remember... its some really lame theme |
| 02:47.46 | CableNinja | hicolor? |
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| 02:48.09 | ex-parrot | I see to have hicolor installed too |
| 02:48.15 | CableNinja | ex-parrot: also, if your nick is in reference to monty python, have you ceased to be? |
| 02:48.22 | ex-parrot | vooms for comic effectr |
| 02:48.55 | innmalint | hey ex-parrot was i to expect an iso from hd-media/boot.img.gz? |
| 02:49.08 | mumpitzel | innmalint: no |
| 02:49.13 | ex-parrot | no innmalint, it just contains a bootloader and basic filesystem |
| 02:49.14 | mumpitzel | ignore hdmedia |
| 02:49.20 | ex-parrot | but yeah as mumpitzel, ignore me I'm outdated :) |
| 02:49.22 | CableNinja | ex-parrot: this is the only other one that I can think of oxygen-icon-theme, but I dont know if thats a standard one or not |
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| 02:50.05 | innmalint | augh i'm sorry, i'm so stupidly confused by this. this is why i've never tried deb is because of these exhausting options. i just want an iso i can boot off a usb, don't even care if it's live. just a wheezy iso |
| 02:50.17 | mumpitzel | what platform? |
| 02:50.22 | ex-parrot | anyone know how to turn alternate row highlighting back on in gtk3? I find it makes lists much easier to use for me |
| 02:50.25 | innmalint | amd64 |
| 02:50.56 | ex-parrot | CableNinja: nope it's not that either :/ |
| 02:50.57 | innmalint | i found all the squeeze isos, just nothing for wheezy that looked like it'd work |
| 02:51.04 | mumpitzel | innmalint: anything that says CD1 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 02:51.18 | mumpitzel | and from here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ you can see all installers available |
| 02:51.23 | CableNinja | ex-parrot: :\ maybe just download a few icon packs and replace them? |
| 02:51.43 | ex-parrot | yeah I might just download everything until I find it, then file a bug report saying it should be a dep :) |
| 02:51.44 | mumpitzel | innmalint: what OS do you run right now? |
| 02:51.50 | ex-parrot | it must be something in the standard desktop install surely... |
| 02:52.23 | innmalint | mumpitzel i'm using crunchbang, i thought i broke it earlier from deleting an nvidia file from /usr/src. turns out it works, but i'm still excited w/ wheezy and would like to start a new distro. |
| 02:52.41 | mumpitzel | ok, dd will work fine then |
| 02:53.02 | ex-parrot | anyone else running in to problems with context menus not opening anywhere near the mouse in wheezy? |
| 02:53.05 | innmalint | mumpitzel, my confusion is because of how utterly dense the debian website is, at least to me |
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| 02:54.58 | innmalint | plus i'm pretty sure i have a haphazardly installed kernel as of right know |
| 02:57.12 | ex-parrot | http://i.imgur.com/uHUiysw.png <--- various problems since wheezy upgrade :/ |
| 02:57.27 | Towzzer | shark attack? |
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| 02:57.45 | ex-parrot | just needed something with 4 or 5 list entries :) |
| 02:58.03 | ex-parrot | note missing icons, context menu nowhere near cursor, no alternate row highlighting |
| 02:59.09 | innmalint | is anyone using an alternative window manager on wheezy? |
| 02:59.38 | ex-parrot | context menu problem seems to happen for any gtk3 apps opened on the second monitor like that |
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| 02:59.47 | ex-parrot | gtk2 is fine |
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| 03:00.06 | ex-parrot | innmalint: I'm using xfwm4, it seems to be fine |
| 03:00.39 | innmalint | good deal, i'm leaning between that and openbox |
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| 03:03.16 | mumpitzel | ex-parrot: what program is this? |
| 03:03.23 | ex-parrot | mumpitzel: in the screenshot? it's rhythmbox |
| 03:04.08 | ex-parrot | same context menu behaviour happens if I drag a gedit (gtk3) window over to that monitor and right click it, but I don't see the problem with say pidgin (gtk2) |
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| 03:07.00 | ex-parrot | mumpitzel: it seems it doesn't want to draw a context menu below the bottom bound of my leftmost / topmost monitor (I have my monitors at different heights) |
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| 03:14.54 | kingsley | Does the "cmake" command's "CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX" variable point to the common parent directory of bin(ary), lib(rary), doc(umenation) etc... subdirectories? |
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| 03:19.06 | dima_ | I'm trying to do some real world tests of upload and download, want to write it in a nice and clean bash script. Can I do dd of=/dev/null |ssh server dd if=dev/zero bs=1M count=100 |
| 03:19.20 | dima_ | for download testing |
| 03:19.42 | dima_ | i can't just start out with an of right? |
| 03:19.59 | dima_ | can i pipe the ssh session to null? |
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| 03:20.29 | ex-parrot | dima_: could you use something like iperf? |
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| 03:20.47 | dima_ | ex-parrot: I can't install anything |
| 03:20.53 | dima_ | ex-parrot: is that a package? |
| 03:21.02 | ex-parrot | ah yeah it is |
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| 03:22.15 | dima_ | ex-parrot: is it possible with just dd and ssh? |
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| 03:28.23 | dima_ | is it possible to dd /dev/zero from ssh session to local /dev/null? |
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| 03:28.58 | ex-parrot | yes dima_, that should work |
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| 03:29.27 | decci | I have a web server (virtual machine) which will be the ntop server, and i want to collect data from about three routers that goes to this machine. Two of those routers are wireless access points and switches, whilst another router is the main house gateway, switch and wireless network. The idea is that i want to be able to see the amount of traffic being sent and received by the network at any of the DD-WRT devices, but also see the |
| 03:29.34 | decci | I believe the ntop utility lets you see traffic by type, source, destination etc and this is important, i want to be able to take a look at graphs to see exactly how my network is going in terms of traffic to each point, and also in and out of the network. |
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| 03:29.41 | decci | I am running DD-WRT with rflow on each router, and also a Debian ISPConfig server as a virtual machine. It would be great if i could have a subdomain name that takes me to the ntop web interface rather than having to do domain.com:3000, instead i would do ntop.domain.com (have wildcard subdomains turned on already). |
| 03:29.49 | decci | All I need is i can connect and see data being logged etc, and need to know on how to add new hosts if i want to track a different router etc (even maybe outside my network). |
| 03:29.53 | decci | Any suggestion |
| 03:30.12 | ex-parrot | decci: maybe set up nginx / lighttpd / apache as a reverse proxy, to solve the URL thing at least |
| 03:30.49 | decci | ex-parrot: What about ntop |
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| 03:31.22 | dima_ | ex-parrot: thanks |
| 03:32.04 | ex-parrot | decci: it's been ages since I've used ntop specifically, sorry :) |
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| 03:32.29 | decci | ex-parrot: Can it be achieve for wireless router |
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| 03:32.38 | decci | ex-parrot: Any link? |
| 03:32.55 | Mr_Clean | I have onboard AMD HD 4200 video, if i were to install wheezy, would the 12.6 fglrx driver work with it? |
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| 03:37.03 | ex-parrot | decci: for what? |
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| 03:39.57 | mr_burdell | hey, anyone know how I can test if my stunnel config is working? |
| 03:40.45 | ex-parrot | mr_burdell: what are you running behind stunnel? |
| 03:40.53 | mr_burdell | trying to do pptp |
| 03:40.58 | mr_burdell | with pptpd |
| 03:41.03 | mr_burdell | which I got working |
| 03:41.06 | ex-parrot | ah ok, could you not just try and connect to it with a client? |
| 03:41.30 | mr_burdell | so, i set up stunnel on my pc and on the server |
| 03:42.57 | mr_burdell | now i need to connect to localhost on the listening port instead of the server... |
| 03:43.23 | mr_burdell | and set up the listening on the stunnel on the server to be the same as where the client forwards the connection? |
| 03:43.26 | mr_burdell | and that should be it? |
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| 03:44.43 | mr_burdell | i don't see anything in the logs for even trying to connect to it |
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| 03:53.54 | mr_burdell | looks like the data uses GRE... |
| 03:53.58 | mr_burdell | hmmm |
| 03:57.53 | ex-parrot | ah yes, you may not be able to run pptp over stunnel :) |
| 03:57.56 | ex-parrot | can I suggest openvpn? |
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| 04:08.23 | mr_burdell | maybe... but I couldn't get openvpn working on the vps I have at the moment... that's why I switched to this |
| 04:08.40 | ex-parrot | ah, openvz? |
| 04:08.42 | mr_burdell | I'm still researching tunneling the GRE protocol |
| 04:08.48 | mr_burdell | i think so |
| 04:09.01 | mr_burdell | or the admins are dicks... either way |
| 04:09.07 | ex-parrot | yes I think there are some issues with openvz with some VPN implementations, you have to have certain modules loaded and so on |
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| 04:10.34 | mr_burdell | well... i got the stunnel working now for the tcp part at least |
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| 04:15.04 | jtreminio | Hi all - how would I check via command line if build dependency for a package has been installed? |
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| 04:15.57 | themill | dpkg: tell jtreminio about cross-post |
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| 04:16.37 | jtreminio | themill, understood |
| 04:16.56 | themill | jtreminio: are you asking about a specific package or all build-deps? |
| 04:17.21 | mumpitzel | jtreminio: apt-get -s build-dep package |
| 04:17.24 | jtreminio | themill, I want to check if build-dep for php5 have been installed before |
| 04:18.17 | mumpitzel | a new php version would have new version of the build dependencies too which have to be installed/upgraded |
| 04:19.30 | themill | jtreminio: if you have the unpacked debian source package there, then mk-build-deps is a nice way of teaching apt about your build-dep requirement which then allows you to use autoremove later on to get rid of the ones you no longer need; otherwise, apt-get or aptitude in simulation mode is fine as mumpitzel suggested. |
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| 04:22.08 | Rusty1 | qwould apt-cache unmet <packagename> work? |
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| 04:23.22 | themill | "unmet" doesn't do anything for build-deps |
| 04:24.01 | themill | has never found "unmet" to be particularly useful |
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| 04:37.56 | boudiccas | hmm, how do you use 'backports' in wheezy please? |
| 04:38.10 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about wheezy-backports |
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| 04:39.37 | boudiccas | themill: ok, thanks for that, but what is the command to use the backports please? |
| 04:39.50 | themill | boudiccas: you will find that there aren't any packages there yet |
| 04:40.03 | boudiccas | there are, i've just been looking at 'tmux' |
| 04:41.28 | boudiccas | so how do i upgrade 'tmux' with the backported version please? |
| 04:41.49 | mumpitzel | just like any other backport? |
| 04:41.55 | themill | What is telling you that there is a version of tmux in wheezy-backports? |
| 04:42.10 | boudiccas | apt-cache policy tmux |
| 04:42.35 | themill | ,v tmux |
| 04:42.36 | judd | Package: tmux on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.6-2; sid: 1.8-2 |
| 04:42.48 | boudiccas | apt-cache policy = tmux |
| 04:42.50 | themill | hmm... I thought I had judd importing wheezy-backports already. |
| 04:43.20 | mumpitzel | it's getting out of hand. backports for stuff that isn't even released yez |
| 04:43.22 | mumpitzel | *yet |
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| 04:48.01 | boudiccas | and the wheezy-backports is fully functional, i've just installed tmux from there |
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| 04:49.13 | smw | boudiccas, what is the deb url? |
| 04:49.57 | boudiccas | smw: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 04:50.00 | smw | boudiccas, nm, found it |
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| 04:50.03 | smw | yeah :-) |
| 04:50.06 | smw | thanks |
| 04:50.10 | boudiccas | yw |
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| 05:10.02 | ftoledo1 | reprepro question |
| 05:10.24 | ftoledo1 | copy is same effect that pull from another distro? |
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| 05:56.06 | fosstux | Hi! In my server I have one hdd for the system and another for data. |
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| 05:56.56 | fosstux | Now I'd like to add a raid to my debian 6 server for the data drive. But how can this be done without reinstalling everything? |
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| 06:06.26 | somiaj | fosstux: adding another drive to your system is easy (provided you can connect to the hardware) |
| 06:07.08 | somiaj | fosstux: so is your data just mounted at somehwere like /data? |
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| 06:12.20 | dima_ | I am trying to setup an ssh key for my android to login into debian. So I created a public and private key on the android device. Coppied the id_rsa.pub to the users /.ssh/authorized_keys folder but when I try to ssh -i id_rsa user@domain I still get a password |
| 06:12.40 | dima_ | am i doing something wrong? |
| 06:12.59 | somiaj | dima_: do you have them chmod 600 and 700 |
| 06:13.07 | themill | the private key needs to be in authorized_keys (which is a file not a directory) |
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| 06:13.20 | somiaj | dima_: i.e. 700 for .ssh and 600 for the keys, oh and yes it needs to be a file |
| 06:13.37 | dima_ | yes, the .ssh is 700 and authorized_keys are 600 |
| 06:13.50 | Dewi | dima_: ssh-copy-id - install your public key in a remote machine's authorized_keys |
| 06:14.03 | Dewi | dima_: ... is an easy way to add things to authorized_keys correctly |
| 06:14.32 | BenNZ | dima_: create the key on debian and copy to your android |
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| 06:15.04 | dima_ | BenNZ: i tried that, androdi wont accept it. I ahve to use some dropbearkey |
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| 06:16.32 | Zeranoe | I just installed weezy on a desktop and just installed the nvidia drivers. Now the gdm3 daemon wont start, I just get a blinking cursor when I try to start it |
| 06:16.55 | BenNZ | Zeranoe: did you install and run nvidia-xconfig ? |
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| 06:18.09 | somiaj | don't need such a complicated xorg.conf anymore, just need a few lines |
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| 06:20.24 | fosstux | somiaj: yes. But I also need to build in a promise sata controller.... |
| 06:20.56 | fosstux | I'd need to connect both hdds to the promise controller |
| 06:21.29 | mumpitzel | Zeranoe: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 06:22.06 | mumpitzel | fosstux: connecting hdds is not a #debian problem is it? sounds more like #hardware, no? |
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| 06:22.54 | somiaj | fosstux: you can actually just copy the system files too, so you can change your setup. |
| 06:23.03 | fosstux | mumpitzel the connection is not the problem - the question is another |
| 06:23.22 | somiaj | fosstux: only issue is if you have to copy your system settings during the rebuild is putting grub back on teh mbr. The rest is the logistics for doing it for the hardware you have available |
| 06:24.38 | fosstux | okay. When creating the raid, does the 1st hdd (already installed) be empty? Or are the files then copied automaticalls |
| 06:25.07 | fosstux | Sorry for the stupid questions but I've up to now never set up a raid myself |
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| 06:26.00 | mumpitzel | do you want to put your existing system into a raid config for the system disk or simply add a datadump which is on a raid? |
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| 06:29.40 | Zeranoe | mumpitzel: Following this: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
| 06:29.56 | Zeranoe | BenNZ: I created an xorg.conf myself |
| 06:30.07 | dima_ | i don't think I am doing something correctly. I just installed dropbear on the debian box and created the key. but it i still can't login from a different box |
| 06:30.26 | dima_ | i followed instruction to the letter though |
| 06:30.29 | mumpitzel | Zeranoe: then check your Xorg.0.log |
| 06:30.38 | dima_ | i reloaded and restarted ssh in int.d |
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| 06:30.45 | Zeranoe | I can restart gdm3 with invoke-rc.d gdm restart and it doesn't error, but doing a crtl+alt+f7 gives me that blinking cursor again |
| 06:31.06 | Blue1 | Zeranoe: this may/may not help: http://pkill-9.com/getting-ubuntu-10-04-video-to-work-with-an-intel-82815-chipset/ |
| 06:31.09 | CableNinja | Zeranoe: ctrl+alt+f8 |
| 06:32.19 | Zeranoe | CableNinja: Same for both |
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| 06:32.23 | dima_ | is dropbear compatible with openssh? |
| 06:32.23 | CableNinja | :\ |
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| 06:33.41 | dima_ | themill: wait what |
| 06:33.54 | dima_ | it's a file not a directory? |
| 06:33.56 | shal3r | Can i install squid without fonts/gtk and other strange dependencies? |
| 06:34.19 | themill | dima_: yes |
| 06:34.28 | themill | dima_: and it contains private keys not public keys |
| 06:34.55 | dima_ | themill: oo |
| 06:37.12 | dima_ | themill: and this is stored in my users profile right? |
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| 06:37.52 | themill | dima_: on the ssh server, you have ~/.ssh/authorized_keys containing one private key per line |
| 06:38.22 | themill | err... sorry I'm talking utter bollox |
| 06:38.27 | themill | one *public* key per line. |
| 06:38.59 | mumpitzel | does dropbear have the same dot directories for config as openssh? |
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| 06:39.20 | themill | mumpitzel: I've used ssh-copy-id with a dropbear server in the past |
| 06:39.21 | dima_ | mumpitzel: i found this dropbearkey -y -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa | grep .^ssh-rsa . >> authorized_keys |
| 06:40.32 | dima_ | themill: thank you sir |
| 06:41.09 | dima_ | themill: it worked, i used the ssh-copy-id command from dest to dest and it works!!!! |
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| 07:17.05 | dkrra | Hi there, anyone who have tech knowledge about zen loadbalancer ? |
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| 07:20.02 | dima_ | themill: why would it be asking me for a passphrase for id_rsa? |
| 07:20.41 | themill | did you enter a passphrase when you made the key? or when you converted it from dropbear to openssh format? |
| 07:20.57 | dima_ | themill: no |
| 07:24.17 | dima_ | themill: i must have done something wrong again. trying to figure it out |
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| 07:24.46 | dkrra | My issue is that Zen Load Balancer presents the wan adapter as client IP for the webservers in the webfarm, I need it to present the real ip that the client have that visits the website in the webfarm, because I have to code some functionality based on IP Address. Anyone who have a guess where I should look and try to configure ? Any help appriciated |
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| 07:26.30 | dima_ | themill: do i need to change this in the config to yes? # To enable empty passwords, change to yes (NOT RECOMMENDED) |
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| 07:31.47 | alienresidents | hello |
| 07:32.02 | alienresidents | anyone available to point me in the right direction for a base-installer problem? |
| 07:32.22 | apm1 | base installer ? |
| 07:32.50 | alienresidents | yeah netbooting |
| 07:32.59 | apm1 | ah |
| 07:33.04 | apm1 | what abt it ? |
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| 07:33.11 | alienresidents | rather, net installing :) |
| 07:33.29 | apm1 | please state your problem clearly |
| 07:33.45 | apm1 | we don't get paid to guess |
| 07:33.56 | CybDev | since when do we get paid :P |
| 07:34.00 | dima_ | you get paid? |
| 07:34.02 | apm1 | XD |
| 07:34.14 | apm1 | no , i was just kidding |
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| 07:34.27 | alienresidents | right, using preseed, I'm able to build a server successfully via netboot on the same subnet, no issues there. |
| 07:34.29 | CybDev | sooo keep guessing? :P |
| 07:34.55 | alienresidents | the problem exists when trying to build the same instance on a routed network ie: not the same subnet |
| 07:35.11 | CybDev | pxe boot depends on local dhcp/bootp |
| 07:35.26 | alienresidents | yeah everything works fine, until the base-installer kicks in |
| 07:36.13 | alienresidents | once the base-installer kicks in it throws repeated "Connection failed" |
| 07:36.18 | alienresidents | when trying to reetrieve packages |
| 07:36.24 | alienresidents | I have a local mirror |
| 07:36.33 | alienresidents | local mirror = local repo mirror |
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| 07:37.09 | alienresidents | also, to be clear, it's ubuntu I'm using, but I can't get an answer out of them... so I'm hoping I can get pointed in the right direction |
| 07:37.23 | apm1 | faceplams |
| 07:37.23 | alienresidents | it's still the same principle, and I'm happy to try whatever... |
| 07:37.37 | apm1 | we don't support ubuntu here |
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| 07:37.47 | apm1 | this strictly a debian channel |
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| 07:37.53 | alienresidents | yes yes, I know it's different and it's not straight debian, but IF there is a pointing in the right direfction, I'm happy to go off and look |
| 07:38.35 | alienresidents | fair enought though... |
| 07:38.37 | apm1 | alienresidents, haven't i made it clear , we are quite anal abt not listening to people who use anything that isn't pure debian :/ |
| 07:39.33 | alienresidents | thanks anyway, ciao |
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| 07:40.00 | tralala | !customer |
| 07:40.01 | dpkg | NEXT PLEASE! |
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| 07:40.14 | apm1 | lol |
| 07:41.02 | CybDev | he should have just claimed to be running debian... :P |
| 07:41.33 | dima_ | is it possible to make an opensshkey into a dropbearkey? |
| 07:41.43 | dima_ | <-using debian |
| 07:41.50 | apm1 | yeah thats what the smart ones do until they rub inti a config file cannicalyfucked |
| 07:41.54 | CybDev | i didnt realize those are different? |
| 07:42.35 | CybDev | according to their homepage dropbear is compatible with openssh keys... |
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| 07:43.50 | ulmer | hi :D |
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| 07:44.09 | dima_ | Here are my steps, stop me if i am doing somethign wrong: 1)dropbearkey -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa step2)dropbearkey -y -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa | grep ssh-rsa >~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub step3)scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@example.com:transformer-key then i pipe transformer-key >> ~/.ssh/authorized_key |
| 07:44.29 | dima_ | but i get an error, it asks me for passphrase which was never setup |
| 07:44.40 | CybDev | its keys, not key |
| 07:44.42 | CybDev | by default |
| 07:44.57 | CybDev | and you can change it in the sshd conf, and probably dropbear conf aswell |
| 07:45.07 | dima_ | i tried this method and the ssh-copy-id method |
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| 07:45.21 | dima_ | sorry authorized_keys that's what i did |
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| 07:45.33 | CybDev | and the logs say what? |
| 07:45.34 | nevyn | I have some concerns about step2 |
| 07:46.26 | dima_ | CybDev: where are ssh logs? |
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| 07:46.33 | CybDev | depends on sshd config |
| 07:46.49 | CybDev | syslog, or auth/secure |
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| 07:47.39 | CybDev | also the client probably has some verbose mode |
| 07:48.02 | CybDev | but like nevyn says, did you verify the pubkey entry looks right? |
| 07:48.24 | dima_ | yeah it looks right |
| 07:48.57 | dima_ | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAA and ends with user@box it weas setup on |
| 07:50.32 | dima_ | everything looks right, but why is it asking for passphrase |
| 07:50.45 | dima_ | dont make sense |
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| 07:51.32 | CybDev | if you have the wrong permissions, if you disabled pubkeyauth |
| 07:51.38 | CybDev | if the client isnt sending the key |
| 07:52.00 | dima_ | checked all permissionm .ssh is 700 and authkey is 600 |
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| 07:52.30 | CybDev | so back to running the client in verbose mode and seeing if it attempts pubkey auth |
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| 07:53.49 | dima_ | CybDev: how can i run ssh in verbose? |
| 07:54.55 | Shadur | dima_: Have you tried either the ssh manpage or the most obvious flag? |
| 07:54.56 | wsmsg | -v |
| 07:55.01 | CybDev | man (ssh|sshd|sshd_config) |
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| 07:55.17 | dima_ | yeah -v doesn't exist for ssh |
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| 07:55.32 | wsmsg | the manpage it dude! |
| 07:55.41 | CybDev | it does for openssh's "ssh" client |
| 07:55.51 | dima_ | oh wait it does, but i am getting an error |
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| 07:56.11 | CybDev | if you use the dropbear client you need to consult the dropbear manual |
| 07:56.12 | dima_ | ok nvm it's late lol it works |
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| 07:56.28 | dima_ | debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed |
| 07:56.35 | dima_ | debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown> |
| 07:56.52 | CybDev | so your problem is clientside |
| 07:56.53 | ulmer | are no backports for sopcast-player packages? |
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| 07:57.21 | CybDev | did you specify the private key properly? did you create it as root and now you try using it as a user? |
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| 07:58.00 | dima_ | CybDev: no i created it as user. i am pointing to the -i ird_rsa the one i created. i am on the same box i created it in for testing |
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| 07:59.03 | dima_ | http://pastebin.com/GFDHj0mL |
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| 08:01.43 | nevyn | dima_: is there no openssh on the client system? |
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| 08:02.26 | CybDev | dima_: -i ird_rsa? |
| 08:02.31 | dima_ | nevyn: no, client is android using a openssh key doesn't work |
| 08:02.35 | CybDev | what shell are you using? could it require full path? |
| 08:02.51 | CybDev | argh |
| 08:03.07 | CybDev | just use a standard term emulator like connectbot |
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| 08:04.09 | Dewi | dima_: does the ssh client you are invoking match that dropbearkey thing? |
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| 08:04.23 | nevyn | use connectbot. |
| 08:04.39 | dima_ | Dewi: yeah at the moment the client is my nix box the soruce and destination |
| 08:05.05 | Dewi | connectbot is 2.5 years old and not that useable on current devices IMO... |
| 08:05.06 | dima_ | nevyn: does connectbot support openssh keys? I am using better terminal emulator |
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| 08:05.31 | nevyn | Dewi: it's good on my note II but anyway... |
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| 08:05.49 | dima_ | I payed $4 for better terminal emulator and it's great except that I can't script ssh |
| 08:06.26 | Dewi | nevyn: key combos were easier with physical buttons |
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| 08:06.39 | CybDev | eh? |
| 08:06.42 | CybDev | not usable? |
| 08:06.54 | dima_ | nevyn: have you gotten connectbot to work with rsa keys? |
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| 08:08.58 | truexfan81 | hey when did tap2click start working in wheezy? i just discovered it was working kinda on accident |
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| 08:09.05 | truexfan81 | wasn't working yesterday |
| 08:09.41 | nevyn | Dewi: true that. |
| 08:09.51 | nevyn | dima_: use it all the time. |
| 08:09.59 | CybDev | i never had any problems with connectbot on android 4.2.1 |
| 08:11.15 | nevyn | this is from connectbot irssi on my phone. |
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| 08:11.46 | nevyn | and back on a real keyboard. (irssi + screen ftw) |
| 08:12.13 | dima_ | k, i will try it, thanks |
| 08:12.16 | dima_ | ls |
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| 08:13.56 | CybDev | yeah, connectbot-irssi is nice :D |
| 08:14.16 | dima_ | i always use irssi it's the best irc client |
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| 08:14.26 | dima_ | right after bitchx that is |
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| 08:18.58 | debdeb | hi |
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| 08:19.49 | debdeb | this one works: FILES="inc.??.to.${MONTHCOPY}??.*" ; ls -la ${FILES} |
| 08:19.57 | debdeb | this one not: FILES="inc.??.to.${MONTHCOPY}??.*" ; mv ${FILES} ${DIR} |
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| 08:20.06 | debdeb | error: mv: cannot stat `inc.??.to.05??.*': No such file or directory |
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| 08:22.38 | debdeb | i assume its because "mv ${FILES} is not interpretet as i want, because ${FILES} is more than one file |
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| 08:23.42 | debdeb | because a simple "mv inc.??.to.${MONTHCOPY}??.* ${DIR}" works |
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| 08:26.48 | Sevet | what about sh -c 'mv ${FILES} ${DIR}' |
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| 08:27.34 | debdeb | Sevet: wait, i will try it |
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| 08:30.01 | Sevet | debdeb: though the plain mv seems to work on my system |
| 08:30.03 | debdeb | Sevet: mv: missing file operand |
| 08:30.22 | debdeb | its in a bash-script |
| 08:31.01 | Sevet | so's my test :) |
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| 08:33.58 | Sevet | debdeb: http://paste.debian.net/1631/ |
| 08:34.12 | debdeb | hm... in a plan bash-shell it works, too |
| 08:34.22 | debdeb | at least with one file |
| 08:34.30 | debdeb | i try with more than one now |
| 08:35.27 | debdeb | argh... it works with more than one file, too |
| 08:35.47 | debdeb | ok, i have to simplisize it |
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| 08:36.42 | petn-randall | simplify? |
| 08:37.44 | debdeb | make it easier in the script |
| 08:38.07 | debdeb | the example above is more simple then i use it in the script |
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| 08:38.16 | petn-randall | I see |
| 08:38.47 | petn-randall | Those are incremental backups you want to archive? |
| 08:39.20 | debdeb | aye |
| 08:41.17 | debdeb | ahhh. i see a light at the end of the tunnel |
| 08:41.50 | debdeb | i did a pwd before the mv... it seems i am in the wron dir ^^ |
| 08:41.56 | debdeb | wrong |
| 08:42.09 | petn-randall | debdeb: I believe there are already a few robust packages that do the job. If you're too lazy to check them out, you can still abuse logrotate to do the rotating backups :) |
| 08:43.31 | debdeb | i want a grandfather-father-son-strategy to archive the backups |
| 08:43.50 | debdeb | its not that easy to find, what i want |
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| 08:44.07 | petn-randall | debdeb: Never heard of that strategy. What is it? |
| 08:44.39 | debdeb | for me its this: archive all incremental from this mont and last... |
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| 08:45.17 | debdeb | from full backups i want to have the ones from this month and last |
| 08:45.52 | debdeb | from 2 months ago i want just the first full-backup of the month |
| 08:46.17 | debdeb | delete the others of the month then |
| 08:46.59 | debdeb | from the backups 12 months ago... only every 3rd month one backup |
| 08:47.16 | debdeb | one |
| 08:47.42 | debdeb | from backups >24 months ago only every 6 month |
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| 08:48.27 | debdeb | petn-randall: is it clear now, what i want? |
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| 08:49.21 | debdeb | oh... and this all should be done with duplicity |
| 08:49.31 | debdeb | another backup-program is not an option |
| 08:49.37 | petn-randall | debdeb: If it's a server, I'd do that with bacula. |
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| 08:49.49 | debdeb | as said... not an option |
| 08:50.01 | petn-randall | debdeb: Why is that? Just curious. |
| 08:50.27 | debdeb | why is what? sorry, i am not a native english-speaker |
| 08:50.52 | h00ked | morning |
| 08:51.21 | petn-randall | debdeb: Why isn't any other backup program an option? I'm interested in the reasoning behind it. |
| 08:51.26 | petn-randall | h00ked: morning |
| 08:51.46 | debdeb | oh... grandfather...father...son is a bit explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather-father-son_backup |
| 08:51.54 | dima_ | I am so close |
| 08:52.27 | h00ked | fuu anyone know hot it really with wheezy? Can I at friday just switch repos from testing to stable? :) |
| 08:52.43 | debdeb | petn-randall: because i did a long research between backup-programs... duplicity was the best option for me... i allready looked in bacula |
| 08:52.58 | debdeb | oh: and the backup-files are allready in duplicity-format |
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| 08:55.44 | debdeb | for example: it interacts with nautilus through deja-dup (which isnt that good at all)... in this GUI (on the client) i can choose on the client which backupped version i want to restore |
| 08:56.24 | debdeb | or be in a directory and check through the gui if there are deleted files in the directory, which are backupped from duplicity |
| 08:56.35 | debdeb | and much much other fine things |
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| 08:58.04 | debdeb | its very, very quick... not just backs up whole new or modified files |
| 08:58.15 | debdeb | backup just the differences.. like rsync |
| 08:58.45 | debdeb | over ssh, amazon, webdav... all that fine options |
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| 08:59.37 | debdeb | oh... and a restore works flawless... which is one of the first i tried |
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| 09:01.15 | petn-randall | debdeb: Except for the nautilus integration most backup programs offer all those options, too. |
| 09:01.36 | debdeb | yeah. i know |
| 09:02.06 | debdeb | an real option was to use backup-pc... becaus it dedups as i know |
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| 09:02.51 | debdeb | ah... right... as i remember... duplicity may dedup, too |
| 09:02.57 | debdeb | i mean deduplication |
| 09:03.06 | debdeb | through hashes |
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| 09:03.58 | debdeb | hmmm... maby not |
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| 09:04.18 | debdeb | else the full backups wouldnt be so big |
| 09:04.31 | debdeb | ... and i havent to do this all now ^^ |
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| 09:05.17 | arod | I'd like to install debian on a single-board PC to run a webserver. What is the best choice right now? |
| 09:05.20 | debdeb | if it would dedup... my strategy would be counter-productive... it would break all ^^ |
| 09:05.50 | debdeb | arod: if price is an issoe: raspberry |
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| 09:06.31 | debdeb | if prize is not an issue... endless |
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| 09:07.22 | arod | debdeb, IIRC rpi it has quite bad performance, run a modified debian to run on an obsolete CPU and is not so open. Any alternatives? |
| 09:07.43 | debdeb | btw.. i solved my problem in a very simple way... (cd ${FILEVERZ} ; mv --interactive --verbose ${FILEAUSWAHL} ${DEJAVERZ}) |
| 09:07.50 | arod | ok, rpi has a huge community and that's a big plus |
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| 09:08.20 | debdeb | arod: a very big plus... if one wants to experiment with a lot of things |
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| 09:08.39 | debdeb | but for a simple webserver... maybe not an option, yes |
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| 09:08.51 | arod | debdeb, I don't care about graphics performance. I just need a cheap server |
| 09:08.58 | invariant | Is the pi not more of a fad? |
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| 09:09.06 | debdeb | so prize is an issue? |
| 09:09.12 | invariant | Or are people actually invested in it? |
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| 09:09.25 | arod | debdeb, so and so. let's say <100$ |
| 09:09.44 | invariant | I know 1M+ have been sold, but that doesn't mean it will continue to be sold for 10 years. |
| 09:09.47 | arod | it's intended as a toy webserver of course |
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| 09:10.36 | debdeb | asus has nice boards with amd-cpus or the cheap ones from intel |
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| 09:10.51 | debdeb | very energy saving |
| 09:11.07 | arod | debdeb, arm should be better, energy wise |
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| 09:11.23 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 09:11.38 | debdeb | i use a seagate free-agent goflex net for a somple webserver... headless |
| 09:11.40 | mumpitzel | what's the budget money and power wise? |
| 09:11.49 | debdeb | its arm |
| 09:11.56 | mumpitzel | and slower than a rpi |
| 09:11.59 | arod | <100$ |
| 09:12.33 | lancelot_of | i've a dell bluetooth mouse which works through a usb dongle. During debian gaphical installation it worked but after system reboot there's no way to make it working in X. Please help, any hint? |
| 09:12.35 | khem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.37 | khem_ | oops |
| 09:12.40 | dimir | :-D |
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| 09:13.02 | lancelot_of | it's correctly recognized by the system as i can see through dmesg and hcitool |
| 09:13.02 | mumpitzel | arod: http://beagleboard.org/ beaglebone black |
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| 09:19.04 | arod | mumpitzel, beaglebone black is quite interesting. Don't know how good is debian support though |
| 09:19.05 | debdeb | mumpitzel: and yes... the goflex-net may be slower in cpu than a raspi... but it has 2*SATA |
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| 09:20.17 | debdeb | in a way, it can be used as a "SATA-multiplexer" (or how it is named)... which makes it a quite good fileserver, too |
| 09:20.40 | debdeb | oh... and no network through usb like the raspi... and gigabit |
| 09:20.47 | debdeb | for 40 EUR... quite good |
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| 09:22.12 | debdeb | i mean a good fileserver for 40 EUR... with more money one get a better one for sure |
| 09:22.59 | debdeb | oh... and <5W energy-consuming |
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| 09:24.08 | lancelot_of | no suggestions for me? |
| 09:24.13 | debdeb | but at the moment its broken... tried to switch from debian to arch... was a bad idea for me ^^ |
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| 09:29.39 | ectospasm | ,v reprepro |
| 09:29.40 | judd | Package: reprepro on i386 -- squeeze: 4.2.0-2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 4.10.0-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.12.5-1; wheezy: 4.12.5-1; experimental: 4.13.0-1 |
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| 09:34.48 | ankr | uhm… I just ran "ps aux | export" (was missing grep)… Should I be worried? |
| 09:35.37 | debdeb | what does "export" now say? |
| 09:36.30 | debdeb | any unusual? |
| 09:36.49 | ankr | debdeb: no doesn't look like it. Seems good. |
| 09:37.18 | debdeb | and... isnt it so that an export xyz is just for the current shell? |
| 09:37.36 | debdeb | and/or is gone after a reboot |
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| 09:38.33 | ankr | debdeb that wold be terrific :) - Also it seems like everything is working normally… I'll assume I did not break anything for now ;) - Thanks a lot! |
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| 09:38.57 | ectospasm | export only lasts during the current shell. Log out to clear it. |
| 09:39.05 | debdeb | if it would have been: "ps aux | export > .bashrc"... i would be worried ;-) |
| 09:39.11 | ankr | ectospasm: thank you! |
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| 09:39.30 | invariant | You don't need to logout to do that. |
| 09:39.31 | ectospasm | ankr: or, close the terminal emulator window (-; |
| 09:39.40 | ectospasm | invariant: no, but that is a simple way to do it. |
| 09:39.42 | invariant | It's just one particular way of solving that problem. |
| 09:39.47 | invariant | ectospasm, true |
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| 09:39.54 | danlii | Freshly installed wheezy - my Sun "PC Keyboard" (Type 7 USB) won't work |
| 09:40.14 | ectospasm | danlii: be more specific about what "won't work" |
| 09:40.24 | danlii | the numeric keys aren't alive... |
| 09:40.50 | ectospasm | as in the number pad? or above QWERTYTYUIOP? |
| 09:40.59 | danlii | If I bring up the keyboard layout map, all keys blink when I hit them, execept on the numerical one. |
| 09:41.10 | danlii | the number pad, yes. Only Num Lock gives a life sign. |
| 09:41.38 | debdeb | only on that keyboard? |
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| 09:41.51 | debdeb | is it possible to try another one? |
| 09:41.52 | danlii | In squeeze, I was able to choose the specific layout for Sun keyboards, but it's not there in wheezy... |
| 09:42.06 | danlii | Hm, haven't tried any other. w8. |
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| 09:42.49 | ectospasm | you probably just need to choose the right layout (its name may have changed in wheezy). What layout was it in squeeze? |
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| 09:43.19 | danlii | se-latin1-sun I think it was called. |
| 09:44.00 | ectospasm | any Sun layouts listed in wheezy? |
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| 09:44.49 | jasonsmr | good morning |
| 09:45.11 | danlii | Nope. Not in Gnome, anyway. |
| 09:46.48 | invariant | Damn network transparancy; I was executing commands on the wrong machine. |
| 09:47.31 | invariant | Is there some good solution for that to make it clear on what machine one is? |
| 09:47.38 | debdeb | different terminal-colours for different machines |
| 09:47.47 | ectospasm | invariant: one major reason I have distinct prompts for my machines. Use ANSI color sequences in PS1 |
| 09:47.50 | Zharf | invariant, put hostname in PS1 |
| 09:48.55 | debdeb | right... user@machine:/ in prompt... if user=root... the user is in bright red |
| 09:49.00 | invariant | I meant more like something which I could use such that I don't need to reinvent the wheel. |
| 09:49.29 | Zharf | reinvent? that's just one line in .bashrc or whatever :) |
| 09:49.31 | themill | you mean like the default prompt. |
| 09:49.50 | ectospasm | invariant: what reinvention of the wheel is it? Just add \h to the prompt, with ANSI color escapes |
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| 09:50.04 | invariant | ectospasm, also, I am using zsh. |
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| 09:50.22 | Zharf | still the same solution |
| 09:50.23 | ectospasm | invariant: from what I hear, zsh allows for very rich prompts |
| 09:50.43 | dzan | hi, I'm running debian on an embedded system and I guess the hwclock doesn't play nice or something, on start 'date' always returns 1970 ( unix start ), what is the correct way to set this? i've been reading different things |
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| 09:50.51 | debdeb | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u\[\033[00m\]@\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;36m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$\[\033[01;37m\] ' |
| 09:51.50 | ectospasm | debdeb: yay! gobbledegook! |
| 09:51.59 | ectospasm | looks like my PS1, or similar |
| 09:52.00 | debdeb | hm? |
| 09:52.04 | debdeb | ah |
| 09:52.09 | ectospasm | I don't use the debian_chroot bits |
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| 09:55.23 | debdeb | hmmm. that one was for the user... for root it seems the same in .bashrc... but root is in red and user is in green |
| 09:55.38 | debdeb | somehow i have made this... but i dont see how |
| 09:55.46 | babilen | really likes spaces around w in PS1 to make it easier to copy and paste pwd with a mouse |
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| 09:56.59 | debdeb | i hve made this long ago... and have never changed it since then... and transport it from machine to machine ^^ |
| 09:56.59 | ectospasm | babilen: do you use \w or \W? The latter shows the full path, which I don't normally display |
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| 09:57.31 | ectospasm | er, \w shows the full path, sorry |
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| 09:57.41 | ectospasm | I just checked and I'm using \W |
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| 09:58.12 | debdeb | yea... this is sometimes bad with very long paths... with short ones it is a plus imho |
| 09:58.57 | babilen | ectospasm: \w and I meant that use it like "… :\[\033[01;36m\] \w \[\033[00m\]\$ …" which results in spaces on both sides (e.g. "… @asasello: ~/debian/pkg-clojure $" |
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| 09:59.50 | debdeb | maby sometimes i will make a check for it... if lengh of pwd is >20 letters... cut it in the middle and replace a few letters with [...] |
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| 10:00.27 | debdeb | that would be nice |
| 10:00.57 | babilen | debdeb: I would be surprised if that hasn't been done before :) Don't use it, but it strikes me as the kind of thing for which you already find a good and maintained solution on the net |
| 10:01.28 | debdeb | or better... do a check of terminal-width... and use for path only 50% terminal-width |
| 10:01.43 | babilen | debdeb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5687446/bash-custom-ps1-with-nice-working-directory-path (first hit, there surely are many others. #bash might know) |
| 10:02.05 | themill | PROMPT_DIRTRIM helps btw |
| 10:02.41 | babilen | hugs themill |
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| 10:03.02 | _Towzzer | good morning debian |
| 10:03.30 | Lasse- | waves. |
| 10:03.36 | _Towzzer | bye |
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| 10:03.51 | babilen | debdeb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3497885/code-challenge-bash-prompt-path-shortener discusses a different approach and PROMPT_DIRTRIM too |
| 10:03.59 | babilen | so, enough of that :) |
| 10:04.18 | debdeb | *g* prom one projet to the next... its allways this way... it comes on the todo-list now ^^ |
| 10:05.32 | debdeb | babilen: thanks. i would have been worried, too... if this problem wouldnt have been solved allready ^^ |
| 10:06.29 | debdeb | the first one is exactly what i meant: pajton@dragon:~/workspace/.../folder1/test$ |
| 10:06.47 | babilen | s/folder/directory/ ;) |
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| 10:08.24 | debdeb | oh.. btw... my screen has another nice feature... on the bootom-line my next coming google-calendar-entry is shown |
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| 10:09.00 | debdeb | [C-A-e]Termin: 02.05.|18:30| Buy milk |
| 10:09.05 | debdeb | like this |
| 10:09.49 | debdeb | CTRL-A-e let the line dissapear |
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| 10:11.13 | txomon|nqas | hi, I am having serious performance problems with Debian Wheezy. Anyone knows what changes cpufreq in the debian system? Something is limiting speed step to the minimum, so I have 4 i5 processors of 1.2GHz instead of 2.4GHz... |
| 10:11.40 | histo | debdeb: What are you using to do that? |
| 10:11.42 | debdeb | some laptop-package installed? |
| 10:11.52 | debdeb | histo: hm? |
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| 10:12.08 | txomon|nqas | debdeb, that was for me? |
| 10:12.13 | histo | debdeb: the google calendar thing |
| 10:12.15 | histo | txomon|nqas: yes |
| 10:12.19 | txomon|nqas | yes |
| 10:12.39 | txomon|nqas | I have the laptop-detect package |
| 10:12.41 | debdeb | txomon|nqas: yes... the laptop-package-wuestion |
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| 10:13.10 | debdeb | histo: to display the next calendar-entry |
| 10:13.18 | txomon|nqas | which question? |
| 10:13.21 | histo | debdeb: yes |
| 10:14.09 | debdeb | histo> debdeb: What are you using to do that? <- what do you mean? i use it to display the next entry |
| 10:14.32 | debdeb | oh... "what"... you mean, how i do it? |
| 10:14.42 | histo | debdeb: YEs HOW |
| 10:14.49 | debdeb | gcalcli |
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| 10:14.58 | histo | debdeb: and what are you displaying it on? |
| 10:15.11 | debdeb | terminal |
| 10:15.14 | debdeb | in screen |
| 10:15.16 | histo | with screen? |
| 10:15.20 | debdeb | yes |
| 10:15.28 | histo | what like a window split? |
| 10:15.36 | debdeb | hä? |
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| 10:15.53 | txomon|nqas | debdeb, what did you mean with laptop-package-wuestion? |
| 10:15.55 | histo | How are you displaying output from gcalcli on the bottom of your screen session? |
| 10:17.21 | debdeb | histo: cronjob uses gcalcli to get the next google-calendar-entrys... put it in a file.. cut the first line... a few seds... use screen to display the resulting line |
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| 10:18.12 | histo | debdeb: I didn't know you could just post random garbage ontop of a screen session |
| 10:18.21 | debdeb | txomon|nqas: a lapto-package i remember do automatic cpufreq-settings... that may your problem |
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| 10:18.51 | debdeb | histo: actualli its on bottom |
| 10:19.24 | txomon|nqas | debdeb, but I don't have any laptop-package but laptop-detect! |
| 10:19.30 | histo | debdeb: Yes how are you outputing the contents of a file at the bottom of a screen session is my question |
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| 10:19.49 | debdeb | um... wher is the screen-configuration? |
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| 10:20.15 | dima_ | can a ssh client connect using a dropbear key? |
| 10:20.24 | debdeb | .screenrc |
| 10:20.34 | debdeb | hardstatus alwayslastline "%{= bw}[C-A-e]Termin: %{= bW}%1`" |
| 10:20.47 | histo | ahh nice |
| 10:21.15 | debdeb | bind e eval "caption splitonly" "hardstatus ignore" |
| 10:21.22 | debdeb | ind E eval "caption always" "hardstatus alwayslastline " |
| 10:21.28 | h00ked | aaa i hate gnome-shell on 4:3 monitor :/ |
| 10:21.39 | ChrisH | dima_: the other way round... makes sense. You need the private key part on the client side and the public key on the server side. |
| 10:21.57 | debdeb | oh and in front of it: |
| 10:22.04 | dima_ | ChrisH: yeah, but can i use a private dropbear key to connect to openssh |
| 10:22.14 | debdeb | acktick 1 60 60 screen_agenda.sh |
| 10:22.15 | dima_ | ChrisH: using openssh client |
| 10:22.22 | debdeb | +b |
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| 10:23.11 | debdeb | and screen_agenda.sh is the skript which makes the rest of the line |
| 10:23.20 | ChrisH | dima_: should work, as dropbear has openssh key format. test it using ssh -i IDENTITYFILE |
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| 10:23.45 | dima_ | ChrisH: yeah it doesn't work not on debian not on android :* |
| 10:24.15 | ChrisH | dima_: why are you asking then? |
| 10:24.25 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell dima_ about smart questions |
| 10:24.31 | dima_ | :( |
| 10:24.41 | debdeb | histo: in screen_agenda.sh: head -2 ~/.gcalcli/gcalcli_agenda.txt | tail -1 |
| 10:24.44 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell dima_ about ask |
| 10:24.53 | ectospasm | dropbear keys should work with openssh and vice versa |
| 10:25.06 | ectospasm | though the last dropbear version I used didn't support keys (-; |
| 10:25.08 | ChrisH | dima_: are you getting error messages in any log or what evenr. |
| 10:25.11 | dima_ | debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed |
| 10:25.11 | dima_ | debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown> |
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| 10:25.31 | dima_ | it can't read PEM private key |
| 10:26.23 | debdeb | histo: in ~/.gcalcli/gcalcli_agenda.txt is the output of gcalcli... the second line is the next calendar-entry |
| 10:26.59 | ChrisH | dima_: Please run ssh -vv -i IDFILE user@target and paste the output to paste.debian.net |
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| 10:27.17 | jimcooncat | how do I tell if I'm running gtk-2 or gtk-3 on my xfce squeeze box? |
| 10:27.46 | txomon|nqas | so anyone can give me a tip on how to diagnose who is touching the cpufreq if I don't have any tool installed for that? |
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| 10:28.26 | debdeb | histo: and my screen as root... display the current uninstalled debian-updates :-) |
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| 10:28.36 | dima_ | http://paste.debian.net/1648/ |
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| 10:30.02 | ChrisH | dima_: what does file id_rsa.db show? |
| 10:30.27 | dima_ | can't read it |
| 10:30.33 | debdeb | histo: but this is very ressource-hungry... as it makes an update-check every few minutes... i have to fix it... oh... and it displays the current load and download-bandwith used |
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| 10:31.26 | ChrisH | dima_: filesystem permission problem? show the ls -l output and file on paste.debian.net please |
| 10:31.29 | dima_ | ChrisH: it's like it's encrypted |
| 10:31.49 | dima_ | ChrisH: even ssh-keygen can't read it |
| 10:32.11 | ChrisH | dima_: I also expected the file to be named id_rsa not id_rsa.db |
| 10:32.44 | dima_ | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/1650/ |
| 10:33.21 | ectospasm | dima_: what does "file <key file>" say? If it says PEM key, that won't work as an RSA/DSA/ECDSA key |
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| 10:33.27 | dima_ | ChrisH: yeah, but that's just so i dont confuse with real one. It's completely different, but public key looks ok |
| 10:33.39 | ChrisH | dima_: looks like dropbear has a special format check http://www.ttylinux.net/Documents/multi/node32.html which shows how to convert it. |
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| 10:34.49 | dima_ | ChrisH: yeah my version of Dropbear doesn't include the dropbearconvert, but that just proves the point that they aren't backward compatible :( |
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| 10:36.32 | ChrisH | dima_: I am just creating a key on my openwrt using dropbear. stay tuned |
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| 10:39.07 | ChrisH | dima_: install dropbear on your debian box and find dropbear: /usr/lib/dropbear/dropbearconvert to do it. |
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| 10:41.11 | dima_ | ChrisH: ooh nice find |
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| 10:45.45 | invariant | How can I make xclock work via ssh -x foo? The error message: Error: Can't open display: |
| 10:47.28 | jpw | invariant off the top of my head you need to set an environment variable before you can run it. |
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| 10:47.44 | invariant | jpw, DISPLAY you mean? |
| 10:47.50 | invariant | jpw, no, that's not it. |
| 10:48.02 | jpw | that was the one I was thinking of, |
| 10:48.10 | invariant | jpw, the environment variable is set perhaps as a result of something else. |
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| 10:48.22 | invariant | jpw, but you are not supposed to set it yourself. |
| 10:49.16 | jpw | trying mysellf |
| 10:50.27 | ChrisH | invariant: DISPLAY must be set before you run the ssh -X capital X not x |
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| 10:50.58 | invariant | ChrisH, I also ran ssh -X, but you are wrong. |
| 10:51.11 | invariant | I believe I solved this myself before already. |
| 10:51.16 | invariant | I will just try that first. |
| 10:51.59 | jpw | it works with me when using upper case X |
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| 10:53.54 | invariant | jpw, on Squeeze? |
| 10:54.00 | jpw | indeed |
| 10:54.11 | invariant | jpw, which IP version? |
| 10:54.26 | invariant | jpw, must be 6 unless they fixed a bug. |
| 10:54.53 | invariant | Because I am sure that for 4 it does not work without non-standard configuration. |
| 10:55.12 | jpw | in fairness im using the xquartz x-server on mac. to an xclient running on wheezy not squeeze, i forgot I updated. |
| 10:55.28 | jpw | over ip4 yes |
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| 10:55.43 | jpw | i have a squeeze box next to me ill try that too |
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| 10:58.57 | invariant | jpw, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422327 |
| 10:59.00 | invariant | jpw, see? |
| 11:01.16 | jpw | https://s3.amazonaws.com/jimmypw/looksgood2.png |
| 11:01.22 | jpw | https://s3.amazonaws.com/jimmypw/looksgood.png |
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| 11:07.13 | petn-randall | I'm seeing a routing bug I can't quite grasp: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/28b5cffe/ |
| 11:07.27 | invariant | jpw, do you understand that you are arguing against a fact? |
| 11:07.42 | petn-randall | I had transient connectivity issues, which are now gone for every other machine but the one in the paste. |
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| 11:07.56 | invariant | jpw, there is a bug in Debian, acknowledged by multiple people, why do you want to prove that there isn't? |
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| 11:08.49 | future28 | Hi, on squeeze with backporting --> Wireless seems to either not connect (at all) or if I am able to connect to a wifi ap (at uni, home, work etc) then I am usually booted off (and cannot reconnect) within about 15-30 minutes. Any ideas why? |
| 11:08.57 | petn-randall | routing table is fine, but pinging a certain machine gives me 'Destination Host Unreachable' and the machine does ARP requests for IPs that it clearly should route over the router. |
| 11:09.40 | petn-randall | future28: Maybe you're missing firmware for the wireless? |
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| 11:10.16 | Walex | petn-randall: 'ip get <target address>' should tell you |
| 11:10.41 | future28 | petn-randall: Why would I be able to connect for some period of time though? I mean I'm on wifi right now - However I may drop out soon. How can I tell if firmware is working? |
| 11:10.51 | petn-randall | future28: Check the logs in /var/log/syslog for 'firmware missing' or similar messages. |
| 11:10.59 | future28 | Sure, cheers, will do so now |
| 11:11.29 | petn-randall | future28: It *may* be a firmware issue. It can be that the connectivity is buggy without a newer firmware. |
| 11:12.34 | future28 | ntpd[1738]: unable to create socket on wlan0 (8) for <mac address> is a common message |
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| 11:13.28 | future28 | It seems to *always* be followed by ntpd[1738]: failed to init interface for address <mac address> |
| 11:13.29 | petn-randall | future28: I'm out for lunch. Can you paste the last ~50 lines of syslog, and also the output of lspci -nn so I can check when I come back? |
| 11:13.56 | future28 | Sure petn-randall, I'll jump on it now. If I am slow to reply once you're back, it's because I'm working too. Thanks for the help though! |
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| 11:19.48 | future28 | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/bupAj2AY, again thanks. |
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| 11:21.47 | babilen | judd: bug 577555 |
| 11:21.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/577555 in linux-2.6 (forwarded): «linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64: [athk9] Bad performance issue and losing easly connection with an AR9285»; severity: important; opened: 2010-04-12; last modified: 2011-02-15. |
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| 11:22.31 | babilen | future28: ^^^ (and please use a different pastebin in the future such as http://paste.debian.net http://refheap.com http://paste.ubuntu.com ...) |
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| 11:24.23 | babilen | future28: The bug is quite old though and upstream closed it with "insufficient data" -- You might want to try a newer kernel, but then I am not sure how much have been done. Please also check your current kernel's Debian.changelog for entries about AR9285 |
| 11:24.33 | future28 | Cheers for that babilen, why does the debian pastebin matter so much? |
| 11:25.12 | ectospasm | hmmm... is there a simple way to determine whether I'm using 802.11 b, g, or n? |
| 11:25.27 | ectospasm | ...wifi works fine, just curious. |
| 11:26.09 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 11:26.10 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 11:26.28 | future28 | Cheers, wasn't aware of the captcha. |
| 11:26.29 | babilen | future28: I don't really care which pastebin you use as long as it is not pastebin.com (due to ^^^) |
| 11:26.40 | paolino | ciao |
| 11:26.42 | Ali | hi, quick question, the System Monitor in Debian, what unit is the memory displayed in? |
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| 11:26.47 | paolino | xdcc send |
| 11:26.53 | paolino | !list |
| 11:26.55 | dpkg | paolino: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 11:27.02 | future28 | Yup, see above. What can I do regarding this firmware issue then, babilen? I haven't dealt with anything like this before, am newish to *nix |
| 11:27.02 | nkuttler | Ali: which system monitor? |
| 11:27.05 | babilen | paolino: Wrong channel -- Use free software and stop pirating! |
| 11:27.09 | Ali | the built in one |
| 11:27.19 | Ali | just called "System Monitor" |
| 11:28.42 | babilen | future28: Like petn-randall I am off for lunch now -- Read http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k and try a newer kernel. You might want to test the 3.9 in experimental, but I would recommend to upgrade to wheezy first. When did you install that squeeze system? |
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| 11:29.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell future28 -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:29.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell future28 -about wheezy release notes |
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| 11:29.55 | future28 | about 1 year ago. I hope the upgrade isn't too difficult. |
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| 11:30.16 | babilen | future28: You can add experimental to your sources.list and then install the linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 kernel (+ firmware packages) with "apt-get -t experimental install linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 firmware-linux" |
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| 11:30.23 | babilen | future28: No, the upgrade shouldn't be too hard. |
| 11:31.01 | future28 | Cool! This might be a silly question, but will the unstable be okay for everyday use? I need to program daily etc, it's important that my machine works.. |
| 11:31.31 | histo | future28: there is a reason it's called unstable |
| 11:31.36 | future28 | I mean nothing seriously adverse could occur right (kernel panics daily etc) |
| 11:31.55 | future28 | I know histo but I mean I'm willing to try it out.. What's the latest stable kernel I could install (plus firmware) then? |
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| 11:32.18 | Ali | anyone know the memory unit of System Monitor? |
| 11:32.19 | Rotonen | future28: pinning your release to testing might be your best debian bet if you want to keep rolling into the future |
| 11:32.40 | histo | dpkg: tell future28 about break |
| 11:32.43 | future28 | Yeah, you're right. I guess if it goes bad I can always just boot back to this kernel. |
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| 11:33.08 | future28 | Haha, cheers histo. |
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| 11:36.27 | future28 | So would it be safe(r) to go to 3.5.2? |
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| 11:37.06 | histo | future28: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:39.26 | future28 | Well I want to upgrade my kernel to someting newer without losing a whole lot of stability |
| 11:39.39 | future28 | so something between my current and the experimental |
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| 11:46.21 | ksk | then take a kernel from kernel.org compile and run it? :> |
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| 11:46.46 | ksk | if you dont need a newser kernel for a technical reason its just for the fun anyways imho |
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| 11:47.10 | daemonkeeper | You can. However, there are newer kernels in other branches. |
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| 11:54.11 | future28 | Can I just change my sources.list "squeeze" to "sid"? |
| 11:54.20 | future28 | Then apt-get update |
| 11:54.49 | themill | no |
| 11:55.07 | themill | dpkg: tell future28 about squeeze->sid |
| 11:55.09 | zykotick9 | future28: i wouldn't do that - unless you want to run sid. are you using the backports kernel currently? |
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| 11:55.38 | future28 | zykotick9: Yeah I am, but I'm fine with running sid (that is, if it is *better*) |
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| 11:56.19 | zykotick9 | personally, i'd consider testing/unstable to be downgrades from stable... but newer packages to satisfy SNS |
| 11:56.36 | ectospasm | "better" is really a matter of taste, and whether you can handle any potential breakage that comes with sid |
| 11:57.33 | future28 | Sure. So if I shouldn't upgrade, then how can I change my wifi issues? I thought i was told to upgrade to the unstable release.. |
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| 11:58.30 | zykotick9 | future28: i haven't been following closely, but i believe wheezy+experimental kenel was the actual suggestion... |
| 11:58.31 | ectospasm | future28: I find sid to be quite stable, but YMMV |
| 11:58.52 | ectospasm | not much difference between wheezy and sid kernels right now, IIRC. |
| 11:59.02 | zykotick9 | ectospasm: sid is not "stable" in the debian use of the word... |
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| 11:59.38 | ectospasm | zykotick9: I meant stable in terms of stability, not Debian's definition of stable. |
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| 12:00.18 | future28 | Well in that case, can I just change my sources.list to "wheezy"? |
| 12:00.20 | ectospasm | Debian uses "stable", "testing", and "unstable" to refer to the relative package mix stability. |
| 12:00.20 | zykotick9 | future28: ectospasm is correct in testing/sid being close right now - but once Wheezy is out, expect turbulence |
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| 12:00.29 | ectospasm | zykotick9: yes, I am |
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| 12:01.09 | future28 | Thanks for baring with me, I'm not too aware of the lower levels of linux yet, I just enjoy using it to be honest. |
| 12:01.28 | histo | future28: I believe wheezy is using 2.6 kernel though |
| 12:01.42 | zykotick9 | ,kernels |
| 12:01.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 12:01.47 | future28 | Ah, so it'd be a backward step? I think I'm on 3.2.* |
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| 12:02.15 | histo | ahh nvm |
| 12:02.28 | histo | future28: has 3.2 kernels |
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| 12:02.51 | future28 | Was this whole conversation redundant? I'm confused histo |
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| 12:03.37 | histo | future28: I don't know what you are trying to accomplish. I came in at the end of this... That's why I asked what is it you are trying to do? |
| 12:04.01 | future28 | You were here before - I want my wifi to be stable, not a piece of rot |
| 12:04.03 | histo | future28: why Do you want to upgrade your kernel? |
| 12:04.08 | histo | ahh |
| 12:04.21 | histo | future28: Are you sure it's been fixed in newer kernels? |
| 12:04.24 | future28 | Oh you're right, sorry histo |
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| 12:04.39 | future28 | It was the suggestion - I'm not sure |
| 12:04.45 | petn-randall | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bfa0029d/ <-- It's 'cache <redirected>' on the problematic machine |
| 12:04.47 | future28 | I'm willing to try though, it's frustrating |
| 12:05.06 | histo | future28: then try a newer kernel and see if it works |
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| 12:05.26 | histo | future28: backports is an excellent source of a newer kernel. |
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| 12:06.44 | future28 | Already using backports |
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| 12:10.13 | petn-randall | Walex: ip route flush cache didn't fix it for me. I think I was hit by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/900522 |
| 12:10.26 | petn-randall | Guess I'll have to reboot a production machine :( |
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| 12:25.54 | Walex | petn-randall: looks inevitable. |
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| 12:33.21 | Tumulte | Hey people |
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| 12:34.49 | Tumulte | I'd like to stay away from mobile devices, but as a webdev, I need to perform some tests. Do you think a multi-touch screen can to the trick ? (how debian behaves with those ?) |
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| 12:35.02 | Tumulte | s/screen/monitor |
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| 12:35.58 | petn-randall | Tumulte: I would get an actual mobile device that's widespread, you'll still have to test the browsers on there for bugs, etc. |
| 12:36.24 | petn-randall | Tumulte: A debian machine with touch screen will only cover the touching UX, but nothing else. |
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| 12:36.45 | sharky | hi guys, I found something interesting, on live debian use (6) I can not add the user "user" to new groups. If I create new user then I am able to add him to new groups |
| 12:37.04 | Tumulte | petn-randall: I'm afraid you're right... I might find used stuff that fits. |
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| 12:37.38 | Tumulte | don't want to encourage this market |
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| 12:39.14 | Tumulte | That said, if it is only for the UX, does debian handle that properly ? |
| 12:39.18 | Tumulte | (multitouch I mean) |
| 12:39.39 | Tumulte | as far as I know, you got to hack your way through |
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| 12:42.59 | petn-randall | Tumulte: Don't have any experience with multi-touch and debian, sorry. Maybe someone else knows? |
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| 12:58.14 | halt | HI guys, is there any public place where I can find the .config file for the latest debian kernel ( 3.2 ), I will try to build the latest ( 3.9 ) for one of my testmashine, but comparing to the 2.6 using the "make oldconfig" it still take ages just to answer the (NEW) features question. |
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| 13:00.51 | ksk | halt: http://kernel.alioth.debian.org/config/ |
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| 13:01.19 | ksk | nvm, does not seem to be up to date. |
| 13:01.20 | kwork | less /boot/config-* |
| 13:01.32 | ksk | just download the kernel version you need and check the file kwork told you |
| 13:01.37 | ivotkl | Hello everyone. Could anyone help me? Has to do with file permissions. -> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/miscellaneous/196322-chmod-chown-modify-access-several-users.html#post926146 |
| 13:01.50 | halt | ksk: still looks good, it's more up-to date then if I'm using the current 2.6 config |
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| 13:04.45 | petn-randall | ivotkl: You're using NTFS. It doesn't support unix permissions. |
| 13:05.51 | petn-randall | ivotkl: 'man mount.ntfs' will tell you though how to change the uid, gid and permissions during mount. |
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| 13:17.29 | ivotkl | petn-randall: Oh... =( |
| 13:17.31 | ivotkl | Thanks. |
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| 13:43.14 | debdeb | a question for understanding. at the moment in use a DVI-connection to the monitor, which has a resolution of 1920x1200. if i would do this through hdmi... can i use the full 1920x1200 or just 1920x1080 (FullHD with hdmi)? |
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| 13:44.12 | debdeb | s/in/i |
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| 13:48.20 | debdeb | i would like to know that before i buy a hdmi-cable |
| 13:48.47 | debdeb | or does it need a minimal hdmi-version? |
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| 13:52.21 | Andymeows | does debian support a 4k resolution? |
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| 13:55.07 | debdeb | wikipedia says with HDMI 1.2 its up to 2560×1600p75. is this right? |
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| 14:02.21 | debdeb | hmmm... since hdmi 1.4 there is an ethernet-standard in it... is it possible to use it like a real network-connection? |
| 14:02.42 | debdeb | especially with the full bandwith of 8,16 GBit/s? |
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| 14:04.00 | debdeb | since linux can use the ram of a graphiccard as ramdisk... i believe some strange things are possible ^^ |
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| 14:35.08 | jelly-home | debdeb: 1920x1200 (60Hz?) should be pretty safe |
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| 14:36.45 | wolfmitchell | How do I configure apt-get to go through an HTTP proxy on wheezy? |
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| 14:47.58 | jelly-home | wolfmitchell: temporarily? Just export http_proxy=http://blahdeblahlah:porthere/ |
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| 15:12.27 | debdeb | jelly-home: thx :-) |
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| 15:22.14 | Alamo777 | Hi guys! IS there a program that can programmatically define the tempreture of room where the server is(withouht hardware) so if it will go down bellow 0 it automatically power off machine? |
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| 15:25.44 | Towzzer | how can it detect the temperature of the room without hardware? |
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| 15:26.31 | Alamo777 | Towzzer, my desktop computer can detect its tempreture and tel me from nvidia stuff, why dont server cant? |
| 15:27.38 | awc737 | does anyone know default permissions on /opt ? |
| 15:28.00 | awc737 | I "accidentally" chown -R root:me / chmod -R 775 /opt... |
| 15:28.02 | awc737 | it broke all my apps |
| 15:28.56 | jordanm | awc737, 755 is the default for /opt itself, anything else is specific your application |
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| 15:30.10 | awc737 | interesting, thanks jordanm |
| 15:30.27 | awc737 | do you assume all files, and all directories would have a certain value? |
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| 15:33.25 | jelly-home | awc737: debian does not put files in /opt, just creates that directory |
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| 15:34.12 | jelly-home | awc737: however, "chown -R root:me / " would have messed the whole system up |
| 15:34.46 | awc737 | yeah sorry jelly I meant I ran that on /opt |
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| 15:36.03 | awc737 | I am wondering if apps I installed into /opt are generally 644 files, 755 directories, etc |
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| 15:48.43 | Andy80 | hi |
| 15:49.28 | passstab | hi Andy80 |
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| 15:50.11 | Andy80 | I've just installed supervisor on a Debian 6 server (but this question applies to any service I think). It starts automatically at each boot, but I do NOT want this (I need to manually start it with /etc/init.d/supervisord start, after I've done other things). How do I avoid that it starts at each boot? |
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| 15:52.01 | mumpitzel | !sysvinit |
| 15:52.01 | dpkg | sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . As of sysvinit 2.88dsf-3, concurrent (parallel) booting is the default when <dependency based startup> is enabled. |
| 15:52.10 | mumpitzel | Andy80: see this |
| 15:52.24 | mumpitzel | most like it's started via some /etc/rc2.d/Sxx* link |
| 15:52.42 | mumpitzel | awc737: depends on the installscript |
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| 15:53.56 | no_gravity | Good Evening! Im installing mysql on a fresh minimal debian 6 installation. Some people suggest to run mysql_install_db and mysql_secure_installation after the apt-get install mysql-server. is this still recommended? |
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| 15:54.39 | awc737 | i'll have to reinstall them all I guess |
| 15:54.43 | Andy80 | mumpitzel, it's /etc/rc*.d/@S17supervisor |
| 15:54.56 | Andy80 | mumpitzel, can I just delete that file for rc2 and rc3 ? |
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| 15:58.18 | mumpitzel | Andy80: you can |
| 15:58.28 | afsal | i'm using debian squeeze, now i'm trying to study building and configure linux kernel. so which kernel source is download ?? |
| 15:58.28 | mumpitzel | you can use update-rc.d too if you want |
| 15:58.37 | mumpitzel | afsal: there is only one |
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| 15:58.56 | afsal | mumpitzel: where ? |
| 15:59.20 | afsal | mumpitzel: in kernel.org ? |
| 15:59.58 | mumpitzel | apt-get source <your current kernel> for the debian kernel. if you want the vanilla kernel.org kernel you download that and then use kernel-package to create .deb files out of it after you ran make menuconfig |
| 16:00.07 | mumpitzel | either way works |
| 16:00.21 | mumpitzel | to play around and tinker I suggest the vanilla kernel.org source |
| 16:00.35 | mumpitzel | !tell afsal about kernel-package |
| 16:00.38 | Andy80 | mumpitzel, I've tried with update-rc.d supervisor stop 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
| 16:00.58 | Andy80 | but the @S17supervisor is still there |
| 16:01.02 | Andy80 | is it normal? |
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| 16:02.30 | mumpitzel | update-rc.d supervisor remove |
| 16:02.41 | LtL | Andy80: update-rc.d supervisor disable .. you might want to /etc/init.d/supervisor stop first although i doubt it matters. |
| 16:03.13 | LtL | Andy80: remove will remove, as mumpitzel staid. |
| 16:03.41 | LtL | *said |
| 16:04.27 | Andy80 | mumpitzel, LtL so it's better to use remove or disable in my case. if I want to simply disable its autostart? |
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| 16:05.55 | LtL | Andy80: i usually disable, remove or disable will make it `Ksupervisor` in /etc/rc* so it will not run. use remove with -f to completely remove the symlinks |
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| 16:07.22 | Andy80 | thanks |
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| 16:07.29 | LtL | Andy80: welcome |
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| 16:08.19 | ninja2000 | hi |
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| 16:08.35 | mumpitzel | Andy80: what "supervisor" is this? |
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| 16:08.58 | LtL | mumpitzel: i was curious about that myself |
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| 16:10.34 | Andy80 | mumpitzel, LtL it's a service that let you start processes in a certain order, using a certain user and you can monitor them all from a console |
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| 16:16.08 | ryanhiebert | Is dfreerdp compiled in Debian? If not, should that be filed as a bug? My Raspberry Pi works much better if I turn off X11, and use the frame buffer directly, but it doesn't seem like the freerdp packages have dfreerdp compiled. |
| 16:16.42 | mumpitzel | at most a wishlist bug |
| 16:16.45 | ninja2000 | guys,... I have a question... maybe not about debian but all around linux live usb question... can a power outrage destroy my harddrive while live usb is loading into ram .. second option is what if I try to manually (brute force unmouning) remove it? |
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| 16:16.54 | ryanhiebert | I'm interested in helping modifying the package if necessary, although I'm new to debian packaging. |
| 16:17.13 | babilen | judd: v freerdp-x11 |
| 16:17.15 | judd | Package: freerdp-x11 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.4-1; wheezy: 1.0.1-1.1+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1-1.1+deb7u2; sid: 1.0.2-1 |
| 16:17.38 | babilen | ryanhiebert: ^^^ And: Are you sure that you are using Debian and not one of its derivates such as raspbian? |
| 16:17.45 | mumpitzel | ninja2000: define "destroy" |
| 16:17.51 | ryanhiebert | dfreerdp came along with 1.0 |
| 16:17.59 | ninja2000 | break mbr |
| 16:18.06 | mumpitzel | no |
| 16:18.17 | ninja2000 | ok.. ty |
| 16:18.30 | ryanhiebert | I'm using raspbian wheezy, but if I'm gonna contribute, I'd rather it be on Debian, and let Raspbian benefit from improving Debian. |
| 16:18.57 | mumpitzel | it can delete data/sector which it is writing exactly this moment. but in normal usage the MBR is never ever written so it's safe |
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| 16:19.16 | cusco | hi... |
| 16:19.31 | mumpitzel | ryanhiebert: start by compiing your own package with the option of directfb enabled? |
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| 16:20.52 | ryanhiebert | My colleague has done that, and I'll certainly do it again, but it may be useful for some embedded devices like the pi to have it binary packaged. |
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| 16:22.03 | ryanhiebert | Would a wishlist bug be appropriate? I don't want to put one in if it's not. |
| 16:22.13 | cusco | what does it mean, a high load average, but low cpu on top / htop |
| 16:22.16 | mumpitzel | yes but it's where you start. if yours works well then you can add a patch to your bugreport which increases the chance of it added a lot |
| 16:22.21 | cusco | I read on interwebs that could be IO |
| 16:22.33 | no_gravity | Do you guys put Fail2Ban on a new debian server these days? |
| 16:22.48 | mumpitzel | cusco: it probably is |
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| 16:24.30 | cusco | no_gravity: deppends on the server |
| 16:24.34 | cusco | I use it for asterisk |
| 16:25.42 | no_gravity | cusco: what do you mean with "server"? what is asterisk? |
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| 16:26.10 | cusco | asterisk is a voip server (software) |
| 16:26.14 | mumpitzel | ,info asterisk |
| 16:26.15 | judd | Package asterisk (comm, optional) in squeeze/i386: Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX). Version: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze10; Size: 3272.6k; Installed: 8660k; Homepage: http://www.asterisk.org/ |
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| 16:29.07 | no_gravity | ,info libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:29.08 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-php5 (httpd, optional) in squeeze/i386: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module). Version: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; Size: 2822.4k; Installed: 7596k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
| 16:29.50 | no_gravity | ,info php5-mcrypt |
| 16:29.51 | judd | Package php5-mcrypt (php, optional) in squeeze/i386: MCrypt module for php5. Version: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; Size: 13.2k; Installed: 92k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
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| 16:37.05 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 16:37.16 | vaillor | what's the difference between netinstall and businesscard? |
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| 16:38.06 | vaillor | anybody online? |
| 16:38.20 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 16:38.31 | passstab | hi vaillor |
| 16:38.34 | vaillor | hi |
| 16:38.48 | vaillor | i'd like to know difference between businesscard and netinstall |
| 16:39.14 | jelly-home | vaillor: try doing /msg dpkg businesscard |
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| 16:40.26 | vaillor | is the same of netinstall |
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| 16:42.03 | jelly-home | vaillor: you ought to have received a private message from dpkg bot after doing that in your irc client, showing a short explanation |
| 16:42.15 | vaillor | jelly, i know |
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| 16:42.34 | vaillor | but it said the same thing of the website |
| 16:42.38 | vaillor | it's not specific |
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| 16:42.51 | mechanicalduck | What is debctrl? |
| 16:43.06 | jelly-home | vaillor: I'm not sure what else to say about it |
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| 16:45.56 | passstab | vaillor, iirc business card downloads the installer itself |
| 16:46.26 | vaillor | ok, thank you |
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| 16:52.27 | mechanicalduck | What is debctrl? |
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| 16:55.56 | babilen | vaillor: As you ask about the businesscard installer ... You really don't have to worry anymore unless you specifically want to install squeeze. The bc installer has been dropped for wheezy which is the next stable version after squeeze which is scheduled to be released in *two* days. I would therefore advise to install wheezy. |
| 16:56.20 | mms_ | I do have internet access on vbox guest and would like to install kerberos packages. is there easy way I can download the krb packages and copy them over offline and then install ? |
| 16:56.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell vaillor about install wheezy |
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| 16:57.20 | mms_ | on my current machine I have complete access from debian |
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| 16:57.46 | babilen | mms_: You can download packages from http://packages.debian.org and install them manually with "dpkg -i /path/to/the/package.deb" -- I can't tell you how to get the .deb into your vbox instance though as I do not use vbox (prefer kvm and virt-manager) |
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| 16:58.33 | mechanicalduck | What is that 'xfm' in augeas? |
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| 16:58.35 | mechanicalduck | What is debctrl? |
| 16:58.48 | mms_ | babilen: I know I can download each package manually but its difficult. I was thinking more on lines of using apt from box with internet connection and download them in one dir |
| 16:59.09 | jelly-home | mechanicalduck: if noone answers, try to reformulate the question, or provide some context |
| 16:59.29 | babilen | mechanicalduck: Why do you think that debctrl exists? Where did you find debctrl? |
| 16:59.44 | mechanicalduck | In an example for augeas |
| 16:59.52 | mechanicalduck | https://github.com/hercules-team/augeas/wiki/Create-a-lens-from-bottom-to-top |
| 17:00.06 | jelly-home | what's augeas? :-) |
| 17:00.07 | mechanicalduck | I can't find anything about it, only those augeas examples |
| 17:00.15 | mechanicalduck | augeas if for manipulating configuration files as a tree. |
| 17:00.19 | babilen | mms_: You can, naturally, run something like "apt-get download foo" or "apt-get --download-only foo" to download packages -- You'll find the latter in the package cache in /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. |
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| 17:01.13 | mms_ | babilen: can I specify download dir so then also install using that dir ? |
| 17:01.20 | babilen | mechanicalduck: Seems to be specific to augeas (whatever that might be) |
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| 17:01.54 | babilen | mms_: The former downloads to pwd the latter to /var/cache/apt/archives/ -- not sure if you can change the latter, but check the manpage |
| 17:01.55 | jelly-home | mechanicalduck: it seems to be the name for the example "lens" that documentation tells how to create |
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| 17:03.02 | babilen | mechanicalduck: You might want to take a look at the augeas-doc and augeas-lenses packages in Debian -- They might have their own support channel too |
| 17:03.18 | mechanicalduck | right |
| 17:04.01 | babilen | mechanicalduck: There is a small #augeas channel on this network -- I have not heard of it nor have I used it. |
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| 17:07.54 | jhutchins_wk | !info augeas |
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| 17:09.52 | hustcalm | hi, I'm looking for sponsor on a machine learning library pack. Anyone interested? |
| 17:10.07 | Rprp` | Hey. I am currently running kernel 3.8.2 and I want to upgrade, but when I compile 3.9, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/U9DY5qWP - older kernels (3.7, 3.8, etc) compile just fine. Could someone help me out? |
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| 17:10.54 | babilen | hustcalm: As mentioned the other day: This is not really the right channel to ask for/find sponsors. I'd recommend to contact the debian science team or bring it up in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:11.34 | babilen | hustcalm: The general procedure is that you upload the package to mentors.debian.org and find interested sponsors -- The procedure is detailed on http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers |
| 17:11.42 | hustcalm | babilen: Sorry to tell you, but I'm trying luch here:-) Have already posted message on #debian-mentors |
| 17:11.57 | hustcalm | babilen: I will move there. Thx for your hint |
| 17:12.19 | babilen | hustcalm: yeah, and jwilk is already asking for the .dsc -- I guess we can continue this conversation over there. :) |
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| 17:21.25 | baudtack | is there a deb package for elinks that has ECMAscript support or am i going to have to build it myself |
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| 17:22.28 | jelly-home | baudtack: there's links2 with support for javascript/ecmascript, but it's pretty much useless without a proper DOM |
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| 17:23.18 | baudtack | jelly-home: hrm. ok i'll try that |
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| 17:23.47 | jelly-home | don't expect any serious web page to work |
| 17:23.47 | mms_ | actually I already have kerberos installed on current machine but for other machine I need to download it for offline install |
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| 17:24.30 | mms_ | want easy way to just grab all dependencies in one area and then use them on other machine |
| 17:25.08 | opi | mms_: you can copy packages from your deb's archive into other machine's archive |
| 17:25.23 | opi | mms_: at least that what I used to do, years back |
| 17:25.29 | jelly-home | mms_: have you been told about apt-zip yet? |
| 17:25.39 | mms_ | jelly-home: nope |
| 17:25.44 | mms_ | let me check |
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| 17:26.52 | opi | jelly-home: o, apt-zip, I'll check it too. ;-) |
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| 17:27.32 | Towzzer | apt-get zipzip |
| 17:28.48 | baudtack | jelly-home: yeah. looks like it's lack of iframe support that is causing problems for me T_T |
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| 17:28.50 | mms_ | Towzzer: you mean ap-get apt-zip |
| 17:28.58 | mms_ | Towzzer: you mean apt-get apt-zip |
| 17:29.20 | Towzzer | oh |
| 17:29.33 | mms_ | jelly-home: then how to get krb5-kdc and krb5-admin-server with all its dependencies |
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| 17:30.04 | jelly-home | mms_: beats me, I've never used it! |
| 17:30.20 | mms_ | jelly-home: |
| 17:30.27 | mms_ | I installed it |
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| 17:31.01 | vaillor | does debian have a built-in guest additions of vbox? |
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| 17:33.01 | mms_ | I will have to first install apt-zip on non-n/w host qnd run apt-zip-list |
| 17:34.22 | fuqi | mmm when i download something with wget under linux/debian (or whatever) my speed hangs for 0.5seconds all 200 mb |
| 17:34.27 | fuqi | how is that possible? |
| 17:34.28 | mumpitzel | vaillor: apt-cache search guest additions |
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| 17:34.50 | mumpitzel | fuqi: same PC with another OS works? |
| 17:34.50 | fuqi | i dont have this problem under windows / same hardware |
| 17:34.54 | fuqi | yes |
| 17:35.00 | fuqi | tested 2 different pc's now with linux |
| 17:35.02 | fuqi | different nics |
| 17:35.04 | fuqi | same problem |
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| 17:35.12 | fuqi | i got a 100 mbit connection |
| 17:35.35 | fuqi | all 200 mbs speed goes to 5 mb/s |
| 17:35.37 | fuqi | mb* |
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| 17:35.46 | fuqi | but it hangs |
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| 17:35.58 | fuqi | tested different mtu's etc no luck |
| 17:36.56 | fuqi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.56 | fuqi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.05 | fuqi | 2xx mb > freeze > 7 mb/s |
| 17:37.08 | fuqi | happens all 2xx mb |
| 17:37.11 | babilen | fuqi: It would help tremendously if you could tell us which NIC that is (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) -- And please don't paste into the channel. |
| 17:37.12 | fuqi | everytime |
| 17:37.14 | Alamo777 | fuqi, wow what is that graphics? |
| 17:37.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell fuqi -about enter |
| 17:37.20 | fuqi | its wget |
| 17:37.32 | Alamo777 | oh, ok |
| 17:37.59 | fuqi | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 09) |
| 17:38.50 | i4c | weird firefox doesn't seem to be on debian ? is this right or a bug on the site ? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all# |
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| 17:39.18 | apm1 | i4c, we don't use mozilla's branding |
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| 17:39.28 | apm1 | we call it iceweasle in debian |
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| 17:39.38 | i4c | ah ok apm1 |
| 17:39.56 | greg606 | hi |
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| 17:41.07 | babilen | i4c: It is iceweasel not iceweasle though -- which version of Debian do you use? |
| 17:41.08 | coldiso | hi guys - i installed RC2 last night on a 64-bit system but for obvious reasons there are items out there that require ia32 and I am getting errors trying to install the ia32 libs... is this a known issue? |
| 17:41.10 | drinkingwater | anyone have any experience cross compiling C binaries from debian to freebsd? |
| 17:41.22 | greg606 | can you recommend tutorial on istalling mysql 5.6 from package? |
| 17:41.26 | babilen | coldiso: "obvious reasons" ? |
| 17:41.42 | coldiso | java32 based requirements |
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| 17:41.51 | drinkingwater | greg606: apt-get update && apt-get install mysql |
| 17:41.54 | babilen | greg606: Haven't we been over this and concluded that 5.6 has not been packaged yet? |
| 17:42.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell coldiso -about multiarch |
| 17:42.11 | i4c | i am going to install wheezy when it comes out, now i am not using debian |
| 17:42.28 | babilen | coldiso: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:42.42 | greg606 | babilen: there's .deb package on mysql page |
| 17:42.46 | babilen | i4c: alright, have fun then |
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| 17:42.55 | coldiso | babilen - i have to run ff32-nightly w/java32 for webex use |
| 17:42.55 | drinkingwater | i4c: just run sid it works great |
| 17:43.07 | babilen | greg606: We neither recommend nor support that - Take it to #mysql if you are using that. |
| 17:43.19 | coldiso | drinkingwater ;) |
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| 17:43.25 | drinkingwater | or use a real DB like postgresql |
| 17:43.29 | drinkingwater | :) |
| 17:43.34 | babilen | +1 |
| 17:43.37 | drinkingwater | anyway, my question |
| 17:43.56 | drinkingwater | anyone cross compiled C binaries from debian for freebsd? |
| 17:44.16 | babilen | coldiso: Well, you can install i386 packages directly - Why you have to use those is beyond me, but I am sure you have some god reasons. |
| 17:44.26 | babilen | *good |
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| 17:44.34 | coldiso | babilen - webex does not support 64-bit |
| 17:44.36 | fuqi | mm i checked with "bwm-ng" speed goes to 0kb/s all 200 mb |
| 17:44.44 | coldiso | babilen - i wish it did |
| 17:44.49 | babilen | No idea why cisco is not able to compile for amd64, but meh |
| 17:45.20 | coldiso | babilen - its being worked on |
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| 17:45.59 | coldiso | babilen - the rest of the world still runs a lot in 32 bit (rest of the world ~other OS) |
| 17:46.17 | babilen | coldiso: multiarch should allow you to install i386 packages on amd64 -- Not sure how easy it is to install a 32bit JRE though. |
| 17:46.45 | drinkingwater | babilen: not hard |
| 17:46.57 | babilen | yeah, shouldn't be, but I haven't done that recently |
| 17:46.58 | coldiso | babilen: i have a clone computer just like this one and java32 works fine out of opt when you reference it from a profile for ff |
| 17:47.07 | drinkingwater | babilen: :( I hate contaminating 64bit environmens with 32bit packages |
| 17:47.36 | coldiso | drinkgwater: understand why - not my desire but my job, requires webex use and running out of vmware is not all that much fun) |
| 17:47.40 | babilen | I don't see anything wrong with that, but coldiso seems to be using software that is completely out of Debian's scope |
| 17:47.59 | babilen | (firefox, webex, ..) |
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| 17:48.25 | coldiso | babilen: i run ff-nightly |
| 17:48.26 | drinkingwater | is debian gnu/kfreebsd dead? |
| 17:48.59 | drinkingwater | I know the netbsd one died shortly after launch |
| 17:49.09 | babilen | coldiso: yeah, Debian ships iceweasel |
| 17:49.18 | babilen | drinkingwater: No, it is not dead |
| 17:49.19 | ChibaPet | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is alive. |
| 17:49.41 | mumpitzel | drinkingwater: looks very very alive to me http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc2/kfreebsd-i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc2-kfreebsd-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:49.44 | coldiso | babilen: only reason i run nightly is because i have had issues with iceweasel and java playing nice with webex |
| 17:50.09 | drinkingwater | mumpitzel: I just worry about it going away like the netbsd one did |
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| 17:50.27 | drinkingwater | I still want to see a debian gnu/kdragonflybsd |
| 17:50.38 | babilen | coldiso: Wonderful software this webex, isn't it? Are you sure that you need nightly builds? I mean ... mozilla releases a new "stable" version every other week now. All of them are available from http://mozilla.debian.net for Debian, but meh |
| 17:51.37 | coldiso | babilen: more habit in the past nightly had the fix i needed so I stuck with it. wrt to webex for disclaimer i am a cisco emplyee just not in the webex group |
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| 17:52.09 | coldiso | webex is being worked on... trust me |
| 17:52.17 | babilen | coldiso: But then, we really don't support webex in here and I am sure that cisco doesn't recommend a 64bit Debian installation as well. You can try your luck with multiarch or bodge something together with third-party software. |
| 17:52.21 | wolf29 | if you accidentally change the owner of /media/cdrom to user:group instead of root:root and attempting to change them back gets you a 'chown: changing ownership of `cdrom0': Operation not permitted' error how do you recover? |
| 17:52.39 | coldiso | babilen: thanks for your help understand your slant |
| 17:52.41 | drinkingwater | I would think cisco would be more toward BSD |
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| 17:52.53 | babilen | coldiso: Good luck! :) |
| 17:53.01 | coldiso | babilen: thanks =) |
| 17:53.23 | coldiso | drinkingwater: plenty of people inside the house run a lot of both BSD/Linux and QNX |
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| 17:53.31 | drinkingwater | wolf29: init 1, then do it, then init 2 |
| 17:53.38 | drinkingwater | try that |
| 17:53.48 | wolf29 | ok, thanks |
| 17:53.52 | babilen | coldiso: I mean, we are but a distribution. If people cannot use the software we package (for whatever reason) we can either help to solve that problem (by working on our packages) or ask them to seek help elsewhere (in the case we are not actually allowed to package something) |
| 17:54.10 | dizzylizzy | wheezy is so frozen i'm getting numb |
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| 17:54.30 | babilen | As always: Sound technical analysis by dizzylizzy |
| 17:54.35 | drinkingwater | are there debian release parties? |
| 17:54.42 | babilen | drinkingwater: yes |
| 17:54.47 | dizzylizzy | babilen, ha, yeah |
| 17:54.47 | drinkingwater | cool |
| 17:54.58 | drinkingwater | I've been with debian since 3.0 |
| 17:55.02 | coldiso | babilen: sorry if I crossed a line - I was just trying to understand how best to get ia32 support for some items i need (FF32 and java32) when installing on a IA64 arch. |
| 17:55.02 | dizzylizzy | i'm having a "debian release party" with some friends |
| 17:55.04 | drinkingwater | those were dark days |
| 17:55.11 | dizzylizzy | but that's mostly because I've duped them into coming over for drinks |
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| 17:55.32 | vaillor | how to disable motd when i start debian? |
| 17:55.42 | coldiso | babilen: package education was all i needed. I think that actually covers better what i needed |
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| 17:56.03 | babilen | coldiso: No, it's perfectly fine - Don't misunderstand it. But there is only so much /we/ can do :) -- Take a look at multiarch as it seems to be exactly the right feature/approach to your problem. |
| 17:56.31 | drinkingwater | just blank out the /etc/motd file |
| 17:56.34 | babilen | vaillor: which version of Debian? |
| 17:56.37 | drinkingwater | >/etc/motd |
| 17:56.43 | babilen | drinkingwater: That depends on the Debian version |
| 17:56.51 | drinkingwater | babilen: oh? |
| 17:57.06 | babilen | oh! :) |
| 17:57.07 | coldiso | babilen: yeap agree - old documents i was finding online were pointing me at ia32... multiarch is the right spot... I am good - debian is a great OS. I used to be a Gentoo ricer .... and debian is my daily workstation now for sometime |
| 17:57.22 | vaillor | babilen, 6.0.7 |
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| 17:58.14 | babilen | coldiso: ia32 was an ugly approach that should have been dealt with ages ago. We finally managed to release a new version with proper multiarch support (teaches you to /not/ accept the "easy hack that we will solve properly in 6 months ever in a project) |
| 17:58.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell vaillor about motd squeeze |
| 17:58.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell vaillor -about wheezy release notes |
| 17:58.36 | coldiso | Q for the party here is I have been running a debian 3.6-RT for awhile on a machine as my ivy-bridge was getting panaic in the 3.2 kern. It looks like 3.8-RT is now in the experimental tree - does anyone know where ivy bridge stands in the 3.2 wheezy RC ? |
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| 17:59.01 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Hello :) |
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| 17:59.06 | babilen | vaillor: You might also want to schedule upgrading your box to wheezy in due course. The procedure is detailed in the release notes our bot just told you about. |
| 17:59.07 | coldiso | babilen: we share a common passion for ia64 only platform |
| 17:59.09 | Kruemmel_m0nster | I need your opinion |
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| 17:59.53 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Would it be bad to run debian testing on a server? |
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| 18:00.11 | babilen | coldiso: AFAIK Ben (kernel maintainer and upstream dev) did some work on ivy bridge for 3.2 -- Not sure what happened to that, but http://bugs.debian.org should have the bug reports in question |
| 18:01.00 | coldiso | babilen - thanks i have a clone on the hardware running the RC kern and it has been good but the panics would happen at random 6 months ago when i was running testing and why i moved to at that time the 3.6 |
| 18:01.16 | coldiso | i will monitor this RC install and see what kinda things it does - thanks for the pointers to the right person and toolkit |
| 18:01.18 | babilen | Kruemmel_m0nster: Right now you should run wheezy -- I wouldn't recommend to use testing on a production system (and it is rarely needed for boring production systems anyway) this short after a release. Also keep in mind that you /do not/ get security support on testing (or only marginaly so) |
| 18:01.41 | vaillor | babilen, i disabled it by renaming motd to motd.disabled... it's so simple :) |
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| 18:02.00 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Thanks for the advice babilen |
| 18:02.12 | babilen | coldiso: Well, I seem to remember discussions about this topic on debian-devel but did not follow it that closely. There definitely were changes regarding ivy bridge. |
| 18:02.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kruemmel_m0nster -about install wheezy |
| 18:03.03 | coldiso | babilen: cool then it is worth of sticking with 3.2 and monitoring this test laptop and see how it runs. thanks for the feedback |
| 18:03.30 | drinkingwater | babilen: the only issue with running testing rather than sid is things can take a longer period of time to get fixed because of the time the packages take to trickle from sid back to testing |
| 18:03.32 | babilen | coldiso: If you still have problems please check the BTS and report the bug if it hasn't been reported :) |
| 18:03.46 | drinkingwater | but testing does tend to break less than sid... |
| 18:04.12 | drinkingwater | sid's been pretty good about not breaking lately |
| 18:04.20 | coldiso | babilen: i will certainly do that now that i have a test box that follows my daily work horse |
| 18:04.26 | drinkingwater | back in the day sid was kinda...iffy |
| 18:04.27 | babilen | drinkingwater: Which is a pretty huge problem if it concerns vital infrastructure. I also wouldn't want to run any important services on such an unstable platform as testing/unstable ... |
| 18:04.34 | drinkingwater | sid taught me how to be a sysadmin |
| 18:04.49 | drinkingwater | babilen: no way |
| 18:04.54 | ompaul | where you run stable so you stay sane :-) |
| 18:04.55 | drinkingwater | babilen: stable for servers |
| 18:05.03 | drinkingwater | sid on desktop/laptop |
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| 18:05.43 | babilen | drinkingwater: It is not surprising that testing/unstable are quite usable this close to the release ... We've had our share of (horrible) bugs in the last years and we will have bugs again. |
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| 18:05.56 | drinkingwater | oh I know but I mean... |
| 18:06.02 | drinkingwater | compared to a few years ago |
| 18:06.10 | drinkingwater | debian has matured |
| 18:06.15 | ompaul | and in a week or three stable will go nuts |
| 18:06.22 | babilen | is afraid that many people learned in the last year that "testing == usable and easy to handle" but really lack the skills to properly run it once it has been unfrozen. |
| 18:06.22 | ompaul | sorry - SID |
| 18:06.24 | drinkingwater | nah stable will be fine |
| 18:06.34 | drinkingwater | oh...no sid will be fine |
| 18:06.56 | drinkingwater | babilen: when slush happens they'll learn |
| 18:07.08 | jhutchins_wk | drinkingwater: It's fine if you want to run those risks, but please don't recommend them to users here. |
| 18:07.31 | jhutchins_wk | I think sid should be renamed "staging". It's not intended as a working release. |
| 18:07.40 | babilen | Either way .. lets take this discussion over to #debian-offtopic and leave some room for actual support questions. And I second jhutchins_wk's comment on recommending anything by stable for production use. |
| 18:07.45 | drinkingwater | testing should be staging |
| 18:07.54 | drinkingwater | sid should be dev |
| 18:08.25 | drinkingwater | oh no I agree I said stable for anything production |
| 18:08.40 | drinkingwater | I, personally, use sid on my own laptops and desktops |
| 18:09.10 | drinkingwater | if you don't want to learn to be a sysadmin and fix something that randomly breaks and you need reliability and stability, do not run sid |
| 18:09.21 | drinkingwater | it is definitely a learning experience though |
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| 18:09.52 | jhutchins_wk | Running sid does not make you a sysadmin. |
| 18:09.54 | drinkingwater | I owe my sysadmin troubleshooting skills to sid |
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| 18:21.01 | drinkingwater | jhutchins_wk: it will teach you much of what you need to know in troubleshooting downed systems |
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| 18:28.42 | unkmar | Question: cron jobs shouldn't have output unless there is an error? |
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| 18:29.44 | truexfan81 | drinkingwater: i'm guessing sid will mainly teach what to do with many broken packages :p |
| 18:30.12 | babilen | unkmar: Depends on how you want it -- note that output will be sent/reported |
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| 18:38.55 | dizzylizzy | sid doesn't teach you anything, but expecting to use it does necessitate being willing to learn |
| 18:39.40 | Overv | I've set up a PPTP server on my VPS and I can successfully connect to it, but I can not connect to the outside world |
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| 18:39.53 | Overv | I uncommented "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" and rebooted my VPS, but that didn't change anything |
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| 18:40.43 | Overv | I can't connect to IP addresses directly either, so it doesn't seem like a DNS problem |
| 18:41.38 | jhutchins_wk | Overv: You have to tell the pptp server to forward packets. |
| 18:41.57 | jhutchins_wk | Overv: iirc you don't need to do full forwarding with iptables, the server should handle it. |
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| 18:42.06 | Overv | jhutchins_wk: How do I do that with pptpd? |
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| 18:46.41 | Overv | or alternatively, do you have a guide to set up PPTP correctly? Because every guide I could find goes through sysctl |
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| 18:52.10 | Delf | When I use the vol up/down buttons on the keyboard, they do not change the sound for current default audio output device. |
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| 18:54.20 | Delf | The volume changes only for whatever device that was set as default when the computer starts. Using pulse-audio. |
| 18:54.41 | Delf | Debian Wheezy. |
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| 18:56.34 | Tchaikovsky | evening.. |
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| 19:00.58 | unkmar | babilen: that is what I though. |
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| 19:01.04 | unkmar | *thought |
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| 19:39.01 | Alberaan | hi everyone |
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| 19:40.19 | Alberaan | im having some trouble with my instalation of a wheezy rc3 |
| 19:40.31 | Alberaan | im installing it in a ultrabook |
| 19:40.42 | Alberaan | with UEFI and no cdrom |
| 19:41.04 | Alberaan | it is now stuck in analyzing discs 50% |
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| 19:41.45 | Alberaan | on console 4, last text i see |
| 19:42.19 | Alberaan | is "init: starting pid 290, tty '/dev/tty3' : '-bin/sh' |
| 19:42.32 | Alberaan | its been 8 minutes stuck there |
| 19:43.46 | mumpitzel | do other virtual ttys work? e.g ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+f2? |
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| 19:50.04 | Alberaan | hi again |
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| 19:52.04 | rvnikauj | I'm having issues with Deluge here is the debug file with just the warnings... i've chased the errors finallly!! http://ix.io/5rU !!! please what could be? here are the permissions of .config folder: http://ix.io/5rV |
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| 19:54.22 | theapplepro | hi |
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| 19:57.30 | benoo1972 | hi |
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| 19:59.05 | benoo1972 | what is wrong with apt-source-line "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ whezzy-updates main contrib non-free"? I get error message "Err http://ftp.debian.org whezzy-updates/main amd64 Packages\n 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:610:1908:b000::148:12 80]". what file is missing? |
| 19:59.37 | stojic | whezzy should be wheezy |
| 19:59.38 | mumpitzel | benoo1972: whezzy != wheezy |
| 19:59.46 | benoo1972 | stojic: oh! |
| 20:00.02 | benoo1972 | stojic was fastest |
| 20:00.09 | benoo1972 | thank you all |
| 20:00.37 | stojic | welcome |
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| 20:19.05 | emper0r | hi.. i set 1 script to can run over cron each 5 min but this cron send me an email about that script ran... how can i stop that email to no received ? |
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| 20:19.40 | jhj | emper0r: one way is to just end the command with 2>&1 |
| 20:19.42 | dondelelcaro | emper0r: MAILTO=""; or fix the script so it doesn't produce output |
| 20:19.50 | emper0r | i setup it |
| 20:20.05 | emper0r | */5 * * * *root/usr/local/sbin/clean_otrs_failed_mails.sh 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 20:20.08 | jhj | > /dev/null 2>&1 i mean |
| 20:20.14 | emper0r | ahhh. is reverse |
| 20:20.31 | emper0r | thx |
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| 20:23.14 | whitefang | hey, I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and rebooted but kernel is still 2.6. is there a fancy command to make debian switch to the 3.2 kernel? |
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| 20:24.17 | lokote_jones | Thinking about switching to debian as my only OS. Currently about to enter graduate school. Before I pull the trigger; any one want to try to talk me out of it? |
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| 20:24.55 | whitefang | lokote_jones: do you play video games on your computer? |
| 20:24.57 | stmiller | Does your program have any Windows specific software? That would be the only stipulation. Otherwise, go Debian. :) |
| 20:25.51 | lokote_jones | I used to play EVE and World of Warcraft. But they both play Platinum level in WINE. So I think I am GTG. I don't have any awares on any Windows only stuff for my program. I have a small laptop as backup though. (Old) |
| 20:26.31 | whitefang | what are your reasons for wanting linux on your main desktop? |
| 20:26.47 | whitefang | i'd be more inclined to install debian on that old laptop and give it a little longer life. |
| 20:27.39 | lokote_jones | I have a CENTOS VPS that I pretty much live in. I am using IRSSI through SSH to talk here right now. All my programming work is done in VIM on my VPS. I don't really use my "windows" for anything. |
| 20:28.13 | lokote_jones | So I am making a serious consideration of going all DEB. |
| 20:28.45 | whitefang | you know what I miss most when I'm running linux as a desktop? putty. :P |
| 20:29.23 | whitefang | but if you're not using anything with windows and you want to make the switch I don't see any reason not to. |
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| 20:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | whitefang, there's putty in debian |
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| 20:31.23 | whitefang | CutMeOwnThroat: is there really? |
| 20:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 20:31.39 | whitefang | lol when did that happen :P |
| 20:31.52 | e3 | Hello, I'm using debian testing with xterm and urxvt. If if type 'page down' or 'page up' I get the tilde(~) symbol. How can I fix this that the displated lines in the terminal go up or down? |
| 20:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | whitefang, kernel is only upgraded when you have the kernel metapackage... |
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| 20:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | whitefang, e.g. apt-cache show linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:32.55 | jhj | e3: hold shift pgdn pgup |
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| 20:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 20:33.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 20:34.36 | whitefang | CutMeOwnThroat: yah I have 3.2 installed it just not booting. its the first in the /boot/grub/menu.lst maybe I need to do a grub-update? grub-update isn't on the system though |
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| 20:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the meta package installed it, everything should go automatically |
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| 20:36.13 | e3 | jhj: yep, that works. Thanks alot |
| 20:36.30 | whitefang | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version. |
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| 20:36.39 | whitefang | i've rebooted several times and its still on 2.6 |
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| 20:37.42 | e3 | jhj: What is the standard behavior of pgdn and pgup? |
| 20:37.58 | dondelelcaro | whitefang: it's update-grub, acutally |
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| 20:38.40 | whitefang | dondelelcaro: haha. thanks! |
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| 20:43.43 | sh4rm4 | is there a guide on how to compile vanilla gcc on debian sid ? it fails in the bootstrap-phase since bits/ was moved from /usr/include to some arch-specific subdir |
| 20:43.54 | sh4rm4 | the gcc (wrapper?) used by debian probably works around it by passing that arch-specific dir as an -I flag |
| 20:43.58 | sh4rm4 | but the xgcc doesnt know that. |
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| 20:56.37 | lokote_jones | Does SLI work in debian for nvidia cards? Can a debian computer even use SLI? (multiple video cards) |
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| 20:56.54 | sh4rm4 | is there a trick to detect the debian version from shell ? |
| 20:57.33 | jhj | could try cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:57.51 | sh4rm4 | what does it contain for sid ? |
| 20:57.52 | Tchaikovsky | :) |
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| 20:58.07 | zykotick9 | sh4rm4: i'm more a fan of "lsb_release -sc" myself... |
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| 20:58.52 | Nik05 | sh4rm4: 7.0 |
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| 21:01.23 | sh4rm4 | thanks, do you have example output of uname -v ? |
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| 21:06.12 | stojic | lokote_jones: afaik it should work if you use NVIDIA's proprietary driver, see eg README for the version of NVIDIA driver that is available in Wheezy non-free: http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.88/README/sli.html |
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| 21:10.07 | sh4rm4 | someone has debian sid x86_64 installed ? i want to know if there's a dir /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 21:14.02 | aguitel | how open apps icon in the desktop with single click in xfce4 ? |
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| 21:15.14 | babilen | sh4rm4: yeah /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/ does exist |
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| 21:15.34 | babilen | sh4rm4: you shoulnd't have to fiddle with that though |
| 21:15.52 | sh4rm4 | well, bits/ is there |
| 21:16.14 | sh4rm4 | so basically /usr/include glibc headers are broken if that path isnt added to CFLAGS |
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| 21:17.10 | sh4rm4 | thus gcc build fails when it approaches the xgcc phase (building target libs), babilen |
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| 21:19.02 | sh4rm4 | i hope it works if i add it to CFLAGS_FOR_TARGET |
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| 21:20.51 | babilen | will not go down that rabbit hole tonight -- feel free to file a detailed bug report if you believe there is an error |
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| 21:21.38 | wolfmitchell | [10:47:56] <jelly-home> wolfmitchell: temporarily? Just export http_proxy=http://blahdeblahlah:porthere/ <-- Tried that, didnt work |
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| 21:21.53 | sh4rm4 | the preinstalled gcc only works because it has /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/ in its include search path |
| 21:22.03 | sh4rm4 | but the bootstrapped xgcc doesnt |
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| 21:26.03 | sh4rm4 | the right fix is imo to make a symlink from /usr/include/$ARCH-linux-gnu/bits to /usr/include/bits |
| 21:26.20 | sh4rm4 | so the headers are usable without a "debian-tuned" gcc |
| 21:26.47 | jhutchins_wk | forsees additional confusion and difficulty. |
| 21:27.20 | babilen | sh4rm4: Which bootstrapped xgcc are you referring to? |
| 21:28.29 | sh4rm4 | i want to compile a vanilla gcc, in my case gcc 3.4.6 |
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| 21:28.44 | sh4rm4 | to be able to bootstrap my own distro on debian |
| 21:28.55 | babilen | sh4rm4: Seriously, I have no idea what you are doing and how that related to #debian -- If you believe that there is a problem with one of the packages we ship then provide additional information and/or file a bug |
| 21:29.00 | sh4rm4 | the gcc 3.4.6 is linked statically, then put into a chroot |
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| 21:29.56 | sh4rm4 | what i do is : wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-3.4.6/gcc-core-3.4.6.tar.bz2 ; tar xf ... ; ./configure && make |
| 21:30.11 | sh4rm4 | that works on every distro, just not debian sid & ubuntu |
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| 21:31.27 | babilen | sh4rm4: Well, you should discuss that with upstream then -- We introduced (finally!) multiarch and you can find technical information about that on http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Tuples and http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/ |
| 21:31.40 | r00t-err0r | :) |
| 21:31.55 | sh4rm4 | babilen, i dont think upstream is interested in doing bugfixes for gcc *3* |
| 21:32.10 | babilen | Well … |
| 21:32.17 | sh4rm4 | so that it works with debian's broken headers |
| 21:32.28 | babilen | sh4rm4: Creating a distribution is a bit out of the scope of this channel -- not sure where you might be able to go, but maybe you can convince ##linux |
| 21:32.44 | sh4rm4 | i already created a distro |
| 21:32.53 | babilen | sh4rm4: As I said: If you believe that there is something wrong with our packages then file a bug. |
| 21:32.58 | sh4rm4 | it can be bootstrapped on any linux distro, except debian sid |
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| 21:33.03 | benoo1972 | could you help me solve ia32-libs install depency problem on wheezy: http://pastebin.com/aEgnL6kW |
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| 21:34.00 | babilen | benoo1972: ia32-libs have been deprecated in favour of multiarch ... you can install whatever 32bit library/package you want directly. See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 21:34.54 | zykotick9 | benoo1972: if you are unfamiliar with multiarch, i'd suggest installing wine64-bin, which is actually just a package instructing how to enable multiarch... or read the documentation... |
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| 21:34.59 | jhutchins_wk | sh4rm4: sid is not a distro. It's a staging repository. It doesn't all have to work, or work together. |
| 21:36.07 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: You can install/use gcc just fine on sid ... |
| 21:36.15 | babilen | is off for dinner |
| 21:36.35 | sh4rm4 | riiiight... i prefer to use the term sid over johny, since i cant remember the nicknames for debian versions |
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| 21:36.58 | rooster_rus | why is /var/log/messages is empty? |
| 21:37.47 | rooster_rus | I've installed debian on two machines and on both /var/log/messages is missing or empty |
| 21:38.43 | zykotick9 | rooster_rus: tried as root? |
| 21:38.51 | rooster_rus | tried what? |
| 21:38.59 | rooster_rus | Actually all logs are empty |
| 21:39.00 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I ssh into a computer. Then on that computer I chroot. Then I try to run a X11 program and get the error: |
| 21:39.18 | MouseTheLuckyDog | "cannot open display: localhost:10.0" |
| 21:39.32 | benoo1972 | babilen, zykotick9 : thank you |
| 21:39.56 | rooster_rus | zykotick9: seems syslog isn't even running |
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| 21:41.14 | zykotick9 | rooster_rus: i'd find it hard to believe that as a debian install then... (unless you disabled it) |
| 21:41.22 | zykotick9 | s/as/is/ |
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| 21:41.49 | rooster_rus | zykotick9: i've instaled from the same USB stick |
| 21:41.58 | rooster_rus | on both machines |
| 21:42.17 | rooster_rus | zykotick9: how could i disable it? |
| 21:43.04 | zykotick9 | rooster_rus: and "ps aux | grep syslog" doesn't return anything (besides the grep of course)? |
| 21:43.16 | rooster_rus | yes. nothing |
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| 21:43.34 | rooster_rus | I installed rsyslog |
| 21:43.40 | zykotick9 | rooster_rus: puff, i have no idea then (doesn't sound like a default debian to me, good luck) |
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| 21:48.16 | jhutchins_wk | Possibly a corrupt installer? |
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| 21:49.53 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: seems like a reasonable explanation, as the same install has produced the same results on 2 systems ;) |
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| 21:50.10 | zykotick9 | s/install/install media/ |
| 21:51.21 | rooster_rus | ok how do i enable logging again? |
| 21:53.22 | jhutchins_wk | rooster_rus: Checksum your installer. |
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| 21:55.48 | rooster_rus | seems something wring with init scripts |
| 21:55.57 | rooster_rus | syslogd runs from shell |
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| 21:59.13 | rooster_rus | any advice? |
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| 22:00.15 | monster-internet | I've tried 4 different browsers and they are all not displaying websites properly there is always some menus missing |
| 22:00.37 | monster-internet | can anyone help? |
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| 22:01.14 | sh4rm4 | monster-internet, seems like the site you're trying to browse is broken |
| 22:01.20 | monster-internet | no its not |
| 22:01.43 | sh4rm4 | well if it doesnt work with 4 different browsers, it must be |
| 22:01.59 | monster-internet | can it not be a flash malfunction ? |
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| 22:02.20 | sh4rm4 | the menu is from a flash plugin ? |
| 22:02.30 | zykotick9 | rooster_rus: i think jhutchins_wk's checksum is a good one. something is obviously wrong with your install image, be it the ISO or created when you created the install media. |
| 22:02.46 | monster-internet | sh4rm4, yeah i think so |
| 22:03.13 | monster-internet | but I just checked on my laptop |
| 22:03.15 | sh4rm4 | wtf, to find out how to report a bug on debian you need to read like 20 A4 pages |
| 22:03.16 | monster-internet | and I think your right |
| 22:03.21 | monster-internet | the website layout changed |
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| 22:04.22 | monster-internet | sorry |
| 22:04.24 | rooster_rus | zykotick9: fuck..obiovsly cheching md5sum will not help me at all |
| 22:04.27 | monster-internet | stupid mistake :P |
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| 22:05.38 | rooster_rus | zykotick9: also it was netinstall |
| 22:06.33 | zykotick9 | rooster_rus: i'm obviously done helping you... but a netinstall image with only base does have syslog by default - so something is wrong with yours. |
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| 22:08.10 | rooster_rus | zykotick9: implying you've helped |
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| 22:34.59 | Alberaan | hi |
| 22:35.24 | Alberaan | Im installing debian wheezy rc3. Im in step "configuring packet manager" |
| 22:35.27 | Alberaan | when I press enter |
| 22:35.33 | Alberaan | it doesn' do anythin |
| 22:35.39 | Alberaan | it stays the same |
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| 22:36.25 | zykotick9 | Alberaan: are you using the GUI installer option? |
| 22:36.28 | Alberaan | looking at terminal 4, I see: "lilo-installer: LILO not usable on EFI PCs without BIOS compatibility; use grub-efi" |
| 22:36.32 | Alberaan | yes |
| 22:36.46 | Alberaan | that is the last output I see |
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| 22:37.28 | Alberaan | zykotick9: I cant put the rest of the output of the terminal |
| 22:37.41 | Alberaan | when I have just pressed enter on that option. |
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| 22:38.49 | zykotick9 | Alberaan: i don't think it matters (to me). 1) i've forgotten everything i know about LILO and 2) i haven't used UEFI. so i'm no help. SIDENOTE: i'm NOT a fan of the GUI installer, i've had issue with it, that i don't encounter with the plain ol' text installer. best of luck. |
| 22:39.16 | Alberaan | well thank you anyway |
| 22:39.27 | Alberaan | I don't mind one or the other |
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| 22:40.10 | zykotick9 | Alberaan: why are you trying to use LILO exactly? by the error, seems it's not supported with UEFI. |
| 22:40.24 | Alberaan | I haven't selected it |
| 22:40.43 | zykotick9 | interesting... i got nothing. good luck! |
| 22:40.43 | Alberaan | ive been followint the step by step process of the installer |
| 22:41.05 | Alberaan | and when it arrives to "configuring packet manager" |
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| 22:41.20 | Alberaan | it simply doesn't continue. It comes back again to the same step! |
| 22:41.40 | zykotick9 | is it "packet" or "package" (i believe the latter most likely) |
| 22:41.59 | Alberaan | ive got it in spanish |
| 22:42.00 | Alberaan | so... |
| 22:42.07 | Alberaan | so maybe it is package |
| 22:42.12 | zykotick9 | ahhh, gotcha |
| 22:42.38 | Alberaan | its right after "install base system" |
| 22:42.53 | Alberaan | and before "select and install programs" |
| 22:43.12 | Alberaan | dont know if that is of any help :/ |
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| 22:47.10 | new[] | Wheezy is released! xD |
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| 22:48.01 | new[] | and gnome3 sux |
| 22:48.01 | milek51 | re |
| 22:48.17 | Alberaan | damn having problems with UEFI |
| 22:48.24 | r00t-err0r | AFK |
| 22:48.48 | milek51 | guys, i need your favor |
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| 22:49.20 | milek51 | would you like to vote for my python-django app in these challenge - http://pl.python.org/planeta/pywaw-sonda/? |
| 22:49.32 | milek51 | BlackSheep Sprite - this is my app, second choice |
| 22:49.39 | milek51 | I'll be much appreciated, rly! |
| 22:49.53 | new[] | yes voting for jakub kot |
| 22:49.55 | new[] | ok |
| 22:49.58 | new[] | done |
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| 22:50.07 | new[] | all vote for jakub kot |
| 22:50.53 | milek51 | new[]: why not, his project is awesome too |
| 22:51.21 | new[] | xD |
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| 22:54.13 | milek51 | new[]: openbox roxx ;] |
| 22:54.21 | milek51 | new[]: or awesome |
| 22:54.36 | Alberaan | new[]: where can I find wheezy? |
| 22:55.14 | zykotick9 | Alberaan: fyi, wheezy has NOT be released yet. |
| 22:55.37 | Alberaan | it should in my timezone ^^ |
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| 22:56.53 | zykotick9 | Alberaan: what timezone are you in that it's May 5th exactly? |
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| 22:57.16 | Alberaan | just joking |
| 22:57.18 | Alberaan | :P |
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| 23:03.19 | bitg | I'm trying to figure out a way to hide files/directories inside an ftp user's home directory any suggestions? |
| 23:03.58 | zykotick9 | bitg: i take it, beyond starting the files with a .period? |
| 23:04.30 | bitg | zykotick9: yes because they are php files in the public_html direcotry |
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| 23:05.09 | bitg | I need the site still functioning but i want to block access so the designer cant access config files and view certain directories |
| 23:05.14 | bitg | for security reasons |
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| 23:05.53 | zykotick9 | security + ftp... ya right... |
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| 23:06.25 | Arrowmaster | thats going to completely depend on the ftp server then, if it has any options to specifically not allow access to certain files or directories |
| 23:06.33 | bitg | regardless of how insecure FTP is i still want to block access |
| 23:06.50 | bitg | I'm using proftpd and debian |
| 23:07.01 | abrotman | bitg: hide in what way? |
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| 23:07.18 | bitg | example: my phpmyadmin directory |
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| 23:08.04 | bitg | i'd prefer that to not even show if possible, if not, most importantly i don't want anyone that logs into that ftp account to be able to ready the configure.php files |
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| 23:10.48 | abrotman | bitg: you want to keep them in their own dir? |
| 23:11.13 | sh4rm4 | babilen, http://sprunge.us/ZYAA?diff |
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| 23:18.36 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, if i install the testing version of wheezy right now, do i have to reinstall it when the stable version is released |
| 23:18.38 | paranoidphreak | ? |
| 23:19.24 | dondelelcaro | paranoidphreak: no |
| 23:19.30 | zykotick9 | paranoidphreak: no, just dist-upgrade to verify everything is newest version. wheezy is always wheezy. |
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| 23:22.58 | bitg | abrotman: yes, so i've logged them into public_html, but there are files in there i'd like to at least disable read access on |
| 23:23.31 | paranoidphreak | thanks everyone |
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| 23:28.10 | abrotman | bitg: oh, that's not what i was asking |
| 23:29.07 | bitg | abrotman: see, it's an e-commerce site, i just want more importantly than anything to not allow them to see the configure.php |
| 23:29.13 | bitg | which will give the database user/pass |
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| 23:38.49 | nullby7e | 5th may |
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| 23:48.23 | SARC | Hi. I asked dpkg about package rebuild but I've done something wrong... I have changed the source code and then issued "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us", when i do "dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb" the new compiled code doesnt seem to take effect |
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| 23:48.57 | arij | hey i need help resizing a partition without losing any data and i dont really understand this guide i found |
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| 23:49.08 | arij | can some one instruct me, in return for a paypal tip |
| 23:49.10 | arij | :) |
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| 23:59.45 | rryoumaa | how far back in time do you have to go with the netinst in order to find one that produces a different debian system? (in other words given that most things are downloaded, then of what remains on the netinst, when was the last time anything changed?) |
