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| 00:14.23 | ScaryBlackGuy | hi all, what package must i install so debian plays nicely inside vmware? |
| 00:14.32 | ScaryBlackGuy | i.e. so i can drag the mouse across the vm |
| 00:14.35 | ScaryBlackGuy | and resize the screen? |
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| 00:18.42 | bododo | hi all |
| 00:18.43 | ScaryBlackGuy | anyone run debian in vmware player? |
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| 00:22.15 | Towzzer | it works good in virtualbox |
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| 00:23.44 | killerhorse | I think you have to install vmware tools for linux |
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| 00:24.41 | ScaryBlackGuy | killerhorse, do i do that from inside debian or vmware? |
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| 00:25.39 | bododo | I mean, I'd like the ssid to be used "automatically" by my wlan0 |
| 00:25.46 | killerhorse | yes, from inside debian. |
| 00:25.53 | bododo | sorry got disconnected |
| 00:26.25 | bododo | so I was asking about how to make wlan0 atomatically use a given ESSID |
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| 00:28.01 | killerhorse | http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&externalId=1022525 |
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| 00:34.07 | ScaryBlackGuy | how come when i try to play mpg files on my new debian install i get sound but no image |
| 00:34.13 | ScaryBlackGuy | what additional packages must i install? |
| 00:35.19 | killerhorse | I use vlc |
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| 00:36.05 | killerhorse | It plays nearly every video or audio file |
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| 00:43.09 | truexfan81 | does not like vlc |
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| 00:44.08 | truexfan81 | you ever experienced satelite tv with a poor signal? the way it pixelizes, vlc seems to do that several times during a long vid |
| 00:45.55 | killerhorse | It's late here in Austria... bye |
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| 00:48.30 | Zharf | wheezy out yet? |
| 00:49.03 | Towzzer | yes |
| 00:49.10 | Towzzer | the download page for images has been updated |
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| 00:50.30 | Zharf | ok thanks |
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| 00:52.23 | grimeton | nand scrub |
| 00:52.54 | Towzzer | scrub those nands |
| 00:53.02 | grimeton | yeah wrong window |
| 00:53.10 | Towzzer | those dirty dirty gates |
| 00:55.06 | truexfan81 | Towzzer: you say wheezy is released? i get nothing via apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:55.29 | themill | truexfan81: what are you trying to update from and to? |
| 00:55.45 | truexfan81 | wheezy RC to wheezy release |
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| 00:56.24 | vaillor | just stable released |
| 00:56.25 | Arrowmaster | you wont get any updates from that |
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| 00:56.28 | vaillor | \o/ |
| 00:56.44 | truexfan81 | i guess i could already be there from when i installed the updates from the sid repos last week? |
| 00:57.08 | Towzzer | the images are updated |
| 00:57.09 | Towzzer | http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 00:59.53 | JoeHazzers | pops a bottle of champagne |
| 01:01.15 | themill | truexfan81: nothing changed |
| 01:01.36 | truexfan81 | lol ok then why all the fuss about the release? :P |
| 01:01.39 | grimeton | truexfan81: the code is as unstable as before, it's just named differently ;) |
| 01:02.02 | themill | s/unstable/testing/ |
| 01:02.40 | truexfan81 | i actually have my sources set to the testing repos :) |
| 01:04.40 | BJfreeman | had debian squeeze did an upgrade and it is now Debian 7 on a A13. |
| 01:04.47 | BJfreeman | started ssh |
| 01:04.58 | BJfreeman | could not login via ssh |
| 01:05.29 | BJfreeman | is there something i am missing |
| 01:05.47 | richardbranson | so when new testing will be released? |
| 01:05.51 | grimeton | BJfreeman: wrong password? no password set? root login via ssh not allowed? |
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| 01:06.23 | BJfreeman | I can not connect via port 22 |
| 01:06.28 | cobra-the-joker | Congrats everyone |
| 01:06.40 | grimeton | BJfreeman: then it's not running at all |
| 01:08.05 | BJfreeman | hmmm service ssh start got Starting OpenBSD secure shell server sshd |
| 01:08.11 | BJfreeman | no dmesg |
| 01:08.14 | grimeton | BJfreeman: firewall |
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| 01:08.44 | grimeton | i'm using debian for 20 years now and less still doesn't belong to base |
| 01:08.45 | grimeton | *glglgl* |
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| 01:10.00 | internat | gratz to the debian team :) |
| 01:10.13 | BJfreeman | right after update, could connect did a reboot and can not to my knowledge I have not set any firewall |
| 01:10.51 | grimeton | BJfreeman: what else could it be? |
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| 01:11.50 | BJfreeman | well not sure and being a relative NOOB I was hoping smeone else would know, so it back do digging for answser |
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| 01:12.04 | grimeton | BJfreeman: i'd test for firewall and such |
| 01:12.25 | BJfreeman | thanks |
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| 01:18.35 | freebir | why everytime I start my skype, my sound stops ? I'm listening to music, and it stops all of a sudden, when I start skype, or any events like, some one got online or a message, what should I do ? tks ? |
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| 01:19.20 | BJfreeman | think I found out, the wifi is not working now, so digging into that |
| 01:19.42 | passstab | i'm getting 404s on a bunch of testing sources |
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| 01:23.54 | smw | so, how do releases work? At what point is wheezy stable and testing named jessie? http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ already says it is jessie |
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| 01:24.24 | MachinaeWolf | So wheezy is stable now, what's the new testing called? |
| 01:24.28 | Vicissitude | smw, you're forgetting about sid |
| 01:24.33 | new[] | WHEEZY RELEASED FOOLS! |
| 01:24.34 | grimeton | smw: the testing tree will be frozen at a state and then released as stable a year later |
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| 01:24.43 | new[] | MachinaeWolf: jessie |
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| 01:24.50 | smw | Vicissitude, what about sid? |
| 01:24.53 | grimeton | smw: the frozen tree will become its own tree |
| 01:24.57 | passstab | what am repos am i supposed to use to get testing? |
| 01:25.01 | Vicissitude | wheezy, then sid, then jessie |
| 01:25.02 | boingolov | so is rc3 wheezy what was released? |
| 01:25.03 | BJfreeman | did the networks service get renamed |
| 01:25.12 | smw | Vicissitude, unstable is always named sid |
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| 01:25.18 | smw | Vicissitude, jessie is the next testing |
| 01:25.23 | MachinaeWolf | ah |
| 01:25.23 | Vicissitude | ah, okay then |
| 01:25.40 | smw | grimeton, no, I am asking when is wheezy stable |
| 01:25.40 | MachinaeWolf | Time to boost up to the new testing then, unless that's a bad idea today? :D |
| 01:25.52 | grimeton | smw: the moment it is "announced stable" |
| 01:25.53 | Guest5679 | I changed my sources from squeeze to wheezy and did an apt-get dist-upgrade and found 0 packages to upgrade |
| 01:25.54 | boingolov | smw: officially as of a few minutes ago |
| 01:25.54 | in2tactics | wheezy is stable |
| 01:25.56 | new[] | smw: 3 minutes ago |
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| 01:26.05 | smw | boingolov, nice |
| 01:26.08 | in2tactics | check the debian.org |
| 01:26.18 | grimeton | i'd suggest you use testing or unstable in your sources.list instead of the tree names |
| 01:26.33 | smw | in2tactics, heh, isn't in the news yet |
| 01:26.45 | boingolov | refresh :) |
| 01:26.55 | new[] | smw: yes it is |
| 01:26.58 | smw | boingolov, cool |
| 01:26.59 | in2tactics | smw: it's on the front page |
| 01:27.09 | smw | boingolov, damn browser cache |
| 01:27.20 | new[] | http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 |
| 01:27.41 | in2tactics | and check the news section |
| 01:27.42 | boingolov | so back to my original question, anybody know if they basically released rc3? |
| 01:27.54 | boingolov | or did they sneak some things in? |
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| 01:28.26 | Guest5679 | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:28.27 | Guest5679 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:28.27 | Guest5679 | Building dependency tree |
| 01:28.27 | Guest5679 | Reading state information... Done |
| 01:28.27 | Guest5679 | Calculating upgrade... Done |
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| 01:28.28 | smw | Vicissitude, sid is the name of the evil child from toy story. That is why he is always "unstable" |
| 01:29.22 | Towzzer | that's not fair to mentally challanged children |
| 01:29.44 | new[] | he's not mentally challanged |
| 01:29.47 | new[] | he's evil. |
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| 01:29.52 | grimeton | i also remember it being called sid because it was dedicated to a developer that died around the year 2000 |
| 01:30.01 | smw | new[], took the words out of my mouth |
| 01:30.21 | grimeton | or 2001 |
| 01:30.23 | new[] | i find what grimeton says doubtful |
| 01:30.41 | smw | grimeton, I always heard it was the evil kid. That matches the debian naming philosophy |
| 01:30.45 | grimeton | yeah could be a pure coincidence |
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| 01:30.58 | grimeton | sid was announced around 2000 or 2001 |
| 01:31.15 | grimeton | so maybe i'm mixing stuff up |
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| 01:33.27 | passstab | is "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" no longer a valid repo? |
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| 01:34.03 | freebir | hi you all, please |
| 01:34.11 | freebir | why everytime I start my skype, my sound stops ? I'm listening to music, and it stops all of a sudden, when I start skype, or any events like, some one got online or a message, what should I do ? tks ? debian squeeze |
| 01:34.17 | smw | passstab, it is still valid |
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| 01:34.51 | passstab | smw do you know why i'm getting 404s? |
| 01:35.01 | smw | passstab, nope |
| 01:35.37 | Guest29814 | I have ps3mediaserver set up on my ubuntu type box, anyone successful with ps3media server on wheezy? |
| 01:35.43 | truexfan81 | smw: he is not alone |
| 01:35.55 | truexfan81 | smw: i just did a apt-get update and i get them also |
| 01:36.30 | truexfan81 | maybe we should try changing them to jessie? |
| 01:36.39 | smw | truexfan81, passstab, maybe it is an error during the switch? If you still have the issue tomorrow, be concerned :-) |
| 01:37.03 | truexfan81 | brb gonna detach from screen and try changing testing to jessie, see what that does |
| 01:37.13 | passstab | yea, i guess i should be patient :P |
| 01:37.17 | passstab | smw, thanks |
| 01:37.18 | smw | truexfan81, I wouldn't |
| 01:37.20 | freebir | any ideas ? |
| 01:37.26 | themill | dpkg: tell passstab about ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:38.10 | sig-wall | wow, released |
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| 01:38.33 | smw | yay, I am finally running stable |
| 01:38.43 | smw | it doesn't feel any different though :-P |
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| 01:38.50 | truexfan81 | smw: too late, did it, 404s also lol |
| 01:38.53 | themill | truexfan81: I would recommend against you going anywhere near jessie for the time being |
| 01:39.06 | smw | truexfan81, that would explain it |
| 01:39.19 | truexfan81 | brb gonna see if wheezy will give 404s or not |
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| 01:40.13 | themill | truexfan81: I hope you don't think this information is actually useful to anyone... |
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| 01:42.08 | truexfan81 | wheezy repos is working |
| 01:42.29 | freebir | tks |
| 01:42.32 | DANtheBEASTman | testing may not be |
| 01:42.58 | smw | truexfan81, not surprising |
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| 01:43.30 | truexfan81 | i'll try testing again after work tomorrow |
| 01:44.22 | Towzzer | debiantimes |
| 01:44.40 | iLogic | hey guys, i've created an usb drive for debian dvd using unetbootin, and it boots just fine, but the installer gets to point where it looks for a cd-rom and doesn't find any so it's stuck |
| 01:44.53 | themill | truexfan81: use a better mirror than ftp.us.d.o. It's always a pita. |
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| 01:45.01 | themill | iLogic: don't use unetbootin |
| 01:45.23 | Towzzer | ilogic, that has happened to me |
| 01:45.23 | themill | truexfan81: also, I'd seriously suggest that you don't use testing for some weeks/months. |
| 01:45.25 | Guest29814 | oh wow! just realised wheezy has gone stable! yay!! |
| 01:45.31 | Towzzer | go back one and try again |
| 01:45.34 | iLogic | so, how should I proceed? |
| 01:45.37 | truexfan81 | themill: why? |
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| 01:45.54 | themill | truexfan81: because all manner of broken crap is going to hit testing in the next weeks to months |
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| 01:46.07 | truexfan81 | lol sound fun |
| 01:46.12 | truexfan81 | sounds* |
| 01:46.21 | smw | anyone know when the kernel for the next release is chosen? |
| 01:46.34 | smw | How early is it done? |
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| 01:46.41 | themill | dpkg: tell smw about wheezy kernel |
| 01:47.04 | themill | smw: it's likely to happen in the same way but not necessarily on the same timescale |
| 01:47.08 | Guest29814 | the only problem i am having with gnome 3 is everything is too big at 1440x900 - if i could figure out a way to skinny up the windows and shrink the font and Icons. |
| 01:47.13 | truexfan81 | themill: i figured the unstable stuff would hit unstable (sid) b4 it hits testing |
| 01:47.39 | themill | truexfan81: that doesn't mean it's all unbroken before it hits testing |
| 01:47.47 | truexfan81 | good point |
| 01:48.31 | Guest29814 | I probably need to get a bigger, better video card and monitor |
| 01:48.47 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm do I just search for the keyring? I pinned Jessie to my sources and now I get W: GPG error: http://http.debian.net wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 01:49.10 | truexfan81 | themill: i'll keep my server on wheezy and experiment with testing/jessie on my netbook (i don't care if that breaks) |
| 01:49.11 | mactimes | Does anyone know any good software for IMAP migration, like imapcopy (i.e. connect to server on both sides, copy folders and messages recursively), but which *actually* works? |
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| 01:49.17 | Towzzer | ha |
| 01:49.18 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:51.00 | iLogic | themill, Towzzer: why cant i use the usb i created with unetbooting? |
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| 01:52.25 | passstab | Err http://http.debian.net testing Release.gpg Could not resolve 'http.debian.net' |
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| 01:53.03 | fnmueller | now, wheezy is upcoming shortlly, but changing to jessie is like ultra early and therefore crazy |
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| 01:53.23 | fnmueller | don't expect anything to work (at all) |
| 01:53.34 | twinkie_addict | i see 7.0 is final |
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| 01:53.49 | passstab | i need to start over completely with this machine |
| 01:54.06 | fnmueller | hmm. I care about apt-? bigs |
| 01:54.08 | fnmueller | bugs |
| 01:54.24 | truexfan81 | does squeeze ever get updated anymore? |
| 01:54.43 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.44 | twinkie_addict | no changes in pakeges from my rc 1 insall to stable |
| 01:54.46 | passstab | i know that, but i'm not ready to, so until then i might as well live on the edge |
| 01:55.06 | iLogic | ctmjr: but it runs just fine.. i'm worried the problem is with the installer |
| 01:55.30 | iLogic | why would it be looking for a cd rom drive? is it 1997? |
| 01:55.52 | ctmjr | truexfan81: i believe for one year |
| 01:55.55 | twinkie_addict | 7.0 works fine herte all the way to gnome 3 and all aps audio every thing |
| 01:55.59 | themill | truexfan81: in exactly the same way as it has been for the past 15 months |
| 01:56.06 | twinkie_addict | though im cli only now |
| 01:56.11 | iLogic | also, should I use dd with bs=1M or 4M? |
| 01:57.10 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.28 | fnmueller | truexfan81: after release of wheezy, Squeeze will be updated for 12 M if _possible_ |
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| 01:58.32 | iLogic | thanks ctmjr |
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| 02:00.08 | new[] | will wheezy be released this year or in 2014 already! omg! |
| 02:00.33 | cusco | o.O |
| 02:00.36 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, I tried installing debian on the same hdd I have windows 7 on, I was going to do a dual boot, but somehow messed up the bootloader |
| 02:00.45 | Scriptonaut | could somebody please help me fix it |
| 02:00.53 | cusco | define 'messedup' |
| 02:00.54 | Scriptonaut | How would I go about dual booting? |
| 02:01.09 | Scriptonaut | ok, so originally I had windowsxp on a hdd, and windows 7 and ubuntu on a hdd |
| 02:01.34 | Scriptonaut | I never used ubuntu, rather used a vm in windows 7 with debian, so I decided today in replace ubuntu with debian on the second partition of the second hdd |
| 02:01.50 | Scriptonaut | I started installing debian, and I freed up the ubuntu partition |
| 02:02.00 | Scriptonaut | then it said there was a fatal error and grub couldn't be installed |
| 02:02.08 | cusco | what does your boot look like now? |
| 02:02.08 | Scriptonaut | now I cannot boot into windows at all |
| 02:02.19 | Scriptonaut | Reboot and select proper boot device |
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| 02:02.33 | new[] | maybe gparted live can fix? |
| 02:02.54 | Scriptonaut | I tried that, couldn't figure it out, so I'm using super grub disk |
| 02:03.02 | Scriptonaut | and I go to fix windows boot loader |
| 02:03.04 | Scriptonaut | and it just freezes |
| 02:03.08 | Scriptonaut | or sits there |
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| 02:03.12 | Scriptonaut | maybe I'm supposed to type something in |
| 02:03.22 | cusco | so you messed thewindows bootloader' |
| 02:03.23 | cusco | ? |
| 02:03.29 | Scriptonaut | yes |
| 02:03.31 | cusco | does grub show, when you start yourpc? |
| 02:03.32 | iLogic | Scriptonaut: can you boot linux? |
| 02:03.35 | Scriptonaut | no |
| 02:03.37 | Scriptonaut | nothing shows |
| 02:03.41 | smw | Scriptonaut, are you able to start windows recovery with supergrub? From there you can fix the MBR |
| 02:03.42 | truexfan81 | i fixed my wheezy boot problem using the rescue mode on the netinstall disc |
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| 02:03.52 | Scriptonaut | ya, it was netinstall wheezy I think |
| 02:03.59 | Scriptonaut | now I'm trying squeeze livecd |
| 02:04.11 | Scriptonaut | but I really really don't want to lose all my windows info |
| 02:04.30 | Scriptonaut | how do you guys triple-boot usually |
| 02:04.34 | cusco | well forwindows I guess i would try the windows repair option from cd |
| 02:04.35 | Scriptonaut | can grub boot into windows? |
| 02:04.44 | Scriptonaut | damn, I don't have the cd |
| 02:04.50 | cusco | grub can boot into the windows boot loader |
| 02:04.52 | Scriptonaut | I think I installed from usb |
| 02:04.58 | twinkie_addict | blow windows and reinstall debian use who dist home on 1 partiont and go from there grub should install |
| 02:05.10 | cusco | but if the windows bootloader is damaged, there is nothing we can do about it |
| 02:05.31 | smw | Scriptonaut, I have used supergrub to boot windows, windows recovery, and ubuntu after messing up grub/mbr |
| 02:05.33 | Scriptonaut | so, is there an easy way to repair the windows boot loader without the cd? |
| 02:05.35 | truexfan81 | what i did was followed the prompts in the rescue mode, mounted my wheezy partition, then had it open a terminal in that partition, did 2 commands 1. apt-get install grub-pc and then 2. update-grub and then rebooted and all was fixed |
| 02:05.41 | Scriptonaut | smw, how do you do it? |
| 02:05.50 | cusco | however, you should boot from a livecd or so, mount the debian partition, mount -o bind dev and sys, and proc, then chroot into that partition and 'update-grub' |
| 02:06.11 | smw | Scriptonaut, you need to be able to boot windows in recovery mode from supergrub disk |
| 02:06.14 | cusco | grub will use os-probber to find windows... |
| 02:06.30 | cusco | now it will boot into the windows bootloader, that might be (or not) damaged |
| 02:06.35 | smw | Scriptonaut, of course, this won't dual boot |
| 02:06.40 | Quix86 | I want to use a different row/column arrangement in console but stty row N isn't working |
| 02:06.47 | Quix86 | do I need to start some sort of framebuffer magic? |
| 02:06.59 | smw | Scriptonaut, if you want to fix grub, boot into debian (with supergrub) and grub-install |
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| 02:07.20 | Scriptonaut | so, the best way to dual boot is to install windows first, replace the mbr with grub, and point grub to the windows bootloader or soemthing? |
| 02:07.42 | cusco | smw: update-grub rather |
| 02:08.01 | smw | cusco, no, grub install |
| 02:08.19 | cusco | update-grub script will run grub-install |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | Scriptonaut: yes, the os-prober will find your windows partition |
| 02:08.47 | smw | cusco, I don't think so |
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| 02:09.09 | smw | cusco, update-grub will do osprobe stuff. grub install will install in the mbr |
| 02:09.22 | Scriptonaut | ok, sorry I'm really confused here. So right now windows is installed, debian is not |
| 02:09.23 | smw | cusco, although I guess both are needed |
| 02:09.28 | Scriptonaut | I just have an empty partition where debian will go |
| 02:09.35 | smw | Scriptonaut, ah |
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| 02:09.46 | abrotman | Scriptonaut: so whats the questin /. |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:09.55 | smw | Scriptonaut, ah, cool |
| 02:10.05 | Scriptonaut | ok, at the very least I'd just like to recover windows for the time being. Is there some recovery tool that I don't need the cd for? |
| 02:10.20 | Scriptonaut | I mean I can download it, but that will take like an hour |
| 02:10.23 | twinkie_addict | later |
| 02:10.26 | smw | Scriptonaut, if you install debian, it should allow you to boot windows. If not, you can do Bootrec.exe /FixMbr from windows |
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| 02:10.40 | Scriptonaut | ok, so right now I should just try to install debian |
| 02:10.46 | Scriptonaut | and the os prober will take care of it? |
| 02:10.51 | smw | Scriptonaut, yes |
| 02:11.08 | Scriptonaut | strange, because I tried that with the netinst and it gave me the fatal grub error |
| 02:11.14 | Scriptonaut | i'll try it with the live cd for now |
| 02:11.21 | smw | Scriptonaut, fatal grub error? |
| 02:11.57 | Scriptonaut | yes, how I got into this mess in the first place |
| 02:12.05 | Scriptonaut | I must have set the mount point at the wrong place or something |
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| 02:16.06 | truexfan81 | i had a similar problem when i switched my server from buntu to wheezy |
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| 02:16.43 | Towzzer | ubuntu is an african word that means "can't install debian" |
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| 02:16.49 | truexfan81 | something about grub already being in the mbr seems to break that part of the wheezy install |
| 02:17.28 | Alam_Squeeze | ok, I want to 'abuse' gai.conf so it would not return an IPv6 adress range first over an IPv4 address, can I do this? |
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| 02:19.36 | Scriptonaut | would gui rescue be a wise thing to do? |
| 02:19.47 | Scriptonaut | or should I just go with gui install, or gui install expert |
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| 02:22.22 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, how do I install from the live cd again? |
| 02:22.25 | Scriptonaut | once i'm in debian |
| 02:22.33 | Scriptonaut | is there a way to say, "Ok, I like it, install" |
| 02:22.44 | MachinaeWolf | Should I be concerned if I apt-pinned to the newest testing and it's saying it can't find all the new testing stuff? |
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| 02:24.04 | smw | MachinaeWolf, are you talking about the 404 errors on testing? |
| 02:24.11 | Quix86 | I want to use a different row/column arrangement in console but stty row N isn't working |
| 02:24.12 | Quix86 | do I need to start some sort of framebuffer magic? |
| 02:24.22 | MachinaeWolf | yes smw |
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| 02:25.13 | smw | MachinaeWolf, looks like an oversight. Give them some time to fix it :-) |
| 02:25.31 | MachinaeWolf | ok, just kinda freaking out since I never apt-pinned :D |
| 02:26.12 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, I fired up Gparted just to see if I could figure out the problem |
| 02:26.19 | smw | MachinaeWolf, releasing is tough work and I doubt having apt-get not work for testing for a little while isn't a big deal. |
| 02:26.28 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
| 02:26.50 | smw | I think I used too many negatives in that sentence |
| 02:26.52 | Scriptonaut | I have /dev/sdb4 as ntfs, and then a 1.34MiB unallocated |
| 02:26.53 | smw | you get the idea :-P |
| 02:26.59 | Scriptonaut | where exactly is MBR |
| 02:27.06 | MachinaeWolf | lol yep |
| 02:27.13 | smw | Scriptonaut, mbr isn't shown there |
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| 02:27.53 | Scriptonaut | ok so is there a simple set of commands to install a bootloader than can load windows now that I have a terminal available? |
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| 02:28.44 | smw | Scriptonaut, didn't you say you had supergrub? |
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| 02:28.58 | Scriptonaut | I did, I got rid of it and replaced it with the debian live cd |
| 02:28.59 | smw | Scriptonaut, if supergrub fails to start windows, I doubt the debian cd can |
| 02:29.02 | Scriptonaut | supergrub wasn't working |
| 02:29.06 | Scriptonaut | :( |
| 02:29.09 | smw | Scriptonaut, that is not good |
| 02:29.12 | Scriptonaut | man I reallys crewed up my system |
| 02:29.26 | Scriptonaut | I guess now I just need to get the windows recovery disk |
| 02:29.28 | smw | Scriptonaut, you can try installing debian and seeing if you can boot windows after that |
| 02:29.35 | truexfan81 | Scriptonaut: can you access your windows files from the live cd? |
| 02:30.05 | Scriptonaut | I just clicked debian installer :( |
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| 02:30.07 | Scriptonaut | so I dunno |
| 02:32.10 | Scriptonaut | ok, so this is where I mesed up lasttime |
| 02:32.18 | Scriptonaut | it says: Guided - use entire disk |
| 02:32.24 | Scriptonaut | Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM |
| 02:32.29 | Scriptonaut | Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM |
| 02:32.31 | Scriptonaut | or manual |
| 02:32.41 | Scriptonaut | I did manual last time because I didn't want to overwrite the windows part |
| 02:33.05 | truexfan81 | manual is what i always do |
| 02:34.37 | Scriptonaut | so, would "automatically partition the freespace" be a good choice? |
| 02:34.44 | Scriptonaut | or should I create the partition myself |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | did you read the install guide? |
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| 02:35.36 | excalibr | Hello |
| 02:35.49 | Scriptonaut | abrotman, no I never got one |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | !i |
| 02:36.21 | dpkg | methinks i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 02:36.21 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:36.28 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 02:38.04 | jair | hello guys, I am having an specific question regarding a linux system with megaraid controller, I know this is unrelated to debian but like I said before debian users are incredibly intelligent people (found that out with the time). |
| 02:38.13 | excalibr | Does anyone know why gparted create ext4 fs with ext3 journaling? |
| 02:38.19 | jair | is there a channel hardware or megaraid or raid in IRC? |
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| 02:38.56 | abrotman | jair: be more specific .. there is a ##hardware |
| 02:39.36 | jair | abrotman: thank you my friend I will check at hardware, what I am not understanding is that the command line tool does not work the way is documented] |
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| 02:40.18 | Scriptonaut | wow, surprisingly I didn't get the grub fata error this time |
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| 02:40.30 | jair | abrotman: there is a manual to use the utility but all the commands return stupid error. I want to chat with people that has LSI or MegaRaid experience |
| 02:41.57 | MrFrood | jair: there is also ##linux |
| 02:42.27 | Scriptonaut | do you guys know a more appropriate channel to get this sort of help |
| 02:43.00 | Scriptonaut | even though I didn't get a grub error, it just goes to "Reboot and Select proper boot device" |
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| 02:43.17 | Scriptonaut | grub was apparently installed just fine, so this part confuses me |
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| 02:45.18 | zacts | is debian 7.0 officially released now? |
| 02:45.24 | zacts | are the isos final? |
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| 02:45.40 | zacts | or shall I wait? |
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| 02:46.24 | zacts | I want to set up a server this weekend using debian. |
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| 02:46.45 | smw | zacts, it is released, yes |
| 02:46.49 | zacts | thanks |
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| 02:50.17 | MrFrood | zacts: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 |
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| 02:59.37 | jair | MrFrood: thank you so much, I will check there ;-) although I am working with one of the guys at #hardware |
| 02:59.44 | jair | MrFrood: thank you! |
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| 03:02.14 | somethinginteres | is this sources.list line correct?: "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 03:03.53 | a7x | somethinginteres, i'm not sure testing receives update from security |
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| 03:05.45 | somethinginteres | a7x: I see. |
| 03:06.37 | smw | somethinginteres, yeah, the security people only work on stable and old-stable |
| 03:06.56 | a7x | somethinginteres you can comment that line |
| 03:07.14 | somethinginteres | a7x, smw: roger that, I've removed the line |
| 03:07.50 | somethinginteres | I am currently getting a 404 on "http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/binary-i386/Packages" too |
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| 03:09.09 | jelly-home | somethinginteres: yeah, the priority is setting up new stable |
| 03:09.44 | somethinginteres | jelly-home: I figured it was probably something like that. No worries. |
| 03:09.47 | jelly-home | somethinginteres: users of "testing" are in for a rough ride the next couple weeks-months |
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| 03:10.39 | jelly-home | somethinginteres: you might consider switching to "wheezy" for, say, 2 months or so |
| 03:10.44 | w0rm-_x | Hi, I have a script (I know its a bad idea just testing) which basically cat the shadow file ( cat /etc/shadow), and I have set the setUID bit (chmod u+s), when I run the script from a normal user it still says permission denied. any suggestion? |
| 03:11.12 | jelly-home | w0rm-_x: Linux kernel does not allow setuid scripts |
| 03:11.56 | somethinginteres | jelly-home: ah right. Thanks for the advise. First time I've used Debian during a new version release so I wasn't sure whether to do that or not. |
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| 03:12.34 | w0rm-_x | jelly-home, no solution then? |
| 03:12.55 | jelly-home | w0rm-_x: set up sudo to allow running that one command as a user in the shadow group, or write a compiled wrapper |
| 03:14.45 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, so for some reason it installed the main bootloader on my 250GB hdd with windows xp on it. So now I set the 250GB hdd as the master. When I boot, it gives me the options to boot from debian, windows xp, or windows 7. The weird thing is, when I go to boot from windows 7, it gives me the option to boot from windows xp, windows 7, or ubuntu |
| 03:14.50 | Scriptonaut | and there is no ubuntu installed! |
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| 03:15.35 | jelly-home | perhaps there used to be, and there's leftover config in win 7 boot loader? |
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| 03:15.50 | Scriptonaut | could somebody explain how exactly my bootloader got on the 250GB hdd, even though I installed debian on the 180GB partition of the 640GB hdd? |
| 03:15.57 | Scriptonaut | jelly-home |
| 03:15.59 | Scriptonaut | there is |
| 03:16.18 | Scriptonaut | the "windows 7" bootloader is the exact same one that used to be my default |
| 03:16.31 | Scriptonaut | why won't the windows 7 bootloader just boot right into windows |
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| 03:16.46 | Scriptonaut | or I mean why won't the windows 7 option boot right into window |
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| 03:17.03 | truexfan81 | Scriptonaut: when you are in win7 you can edit your boot.ini file to remove the ubuntu entry from the menu |
| 03:17.10 | Scriptonaut | oooh |
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| 03:17.13 | Scriptonaut | where is that |
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| 03:17.17 | truexfan81 | c: |
| 03:17.25 | Scriptonaut | it must be remnants from when I made my last triple boot system |
| 03:18.12 | truexfan81 | ok maybe its not boot.ini in win7 |
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| 03:19.08 | Scriptonaut | got my hopes up :( |
| 03:19.17 | truexfan81 | there is a way to do it |
| 03:19.21 | truexfan81 | gimme a min |
| 03:19.29 | Scriptonaut | ok thanks :) |
| 03:20.12 | truexfan81 | run msconfig, go to the boot tab, the list should be there, you can then pick the ubuntu one and click the delete button |
| 03:20.35 | Scriptonaut | and the winxp one, that won't screw it up will it? |
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| 03:20.57 | truexfan81 | you just wouldn't be able to boot to xp from that drive |
| 03:21.11 | Scriptonaut | which is fine. Ok thanks a lot :) |
| 03:21.16 | truexfan81 | np |
| 03:22.01 | Scriptonaut | I'm still puzzled as to why GRUB was installed on the 250GB hdd, even though during the installation I specifically didn't touch it |
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| 03:22.42 | apm1 | Scriptonaut, for the love of god please don't report even if it is a bug now :( |
| 03:22.55 | truexfan81 | great example of why i disconnect all other drives b4 i do os or boot loaders ;) |
| 03:23.10 | Scriptonaut | apm1, what do you mean |
| 03:23.12 | truexfan81 | os installs or boot loader installs* |
| 03:23.19 | Scriptonaut | truexfan81, I almost considered doing this, should have |
| 03:23.56 | apm1 | Scriptonaut, bugs in the installer are coming up like crops , and delaying the wheezy release |
| 03:24.07 | Scriptonaut | oh, well I won't report it |
| 03:24.11 | Scriptonaut | it was actually squeeze |
| 03:24.15 | apm1 | ah |
| 03:24.26 | truexfan81 | yeah can always hook them back up, and then run sudo update-grub from inside linux to have it detect the other os and add it to the menu |
| 03:25.04 | Scriptonaut | oh well, I won't mess with it too much more until summer, I have a massive project that I have to program in debian, and I don't want to end up stranded without a good machine |
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| 03:26.28 | Scriptonaut | for some reason msconfig doesn't bring up anything |
| 03:26.31 | Scriptonaut | the list is just empty |
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| 03:26.51 | Scriptonaut | it's finding that boot menu from somewhere |
| 03:27.52 | truexfan81 | should be atleast showing your win7 in that list |
| 03:28.00 | truexfan81 | hang on i'll show you what mine has |
| 03:28.32 | truexfan81 | Scriptonaut: this is offtopic for this channel also, so i'll send you the link in a pm |
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| 03:38.15 | bijumon | hi, i have testing in sources.list, should I switch that to stable now?? |
| 03:38.27 | mns | whats the best way to transfer email from one IMAP server to another IMAP server ? |
| 03:39.25 | bijumon | or is it safer to switch to "mirror.org/debian wheezy ..." |
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| 03:40.00 | Alam_Squeeze | mirror.org? I thought it was http.debian.net |
| 03:40.20 | mns | bijumon: That's up to you. I just almost always leave it on testing. I have not used stable for years. |
| 03:41.08 | bijumon | mns: read on a comment that after stable is released, testing switches to sid and that transition is usually hairy |
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| 03:42.17 | mns | bijumon: I've not had issues in the past. I went from pre-Squeeze -> Squeeze and now Wheezy. |
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| 03:43.42 | bijumon | mns: my q is that if I switch testing to stable now, it'll still be wheezy? my mirror is debian.jp |
| 03:44.15 | th3pun15h3r | congrats Debian on your new stable release! |
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| 03:45.13 | bijumon | Alam_Squeeze: i meant that url as an example only |
| 03:45.23 | Alam_Squeeze | ahh, silly me |
| 03:45.50 | bijumon | mns: i did it, still on wheezy :) |
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| 03:49.54 | ac_slater | hey guys, I want to add some things to the Debian Installer. Among those things are a homemade daemon, and POSSIBLY python2, but I understand the latter might be difficult. I would love to customize the initrd from the PXE installer but I think I just need some general advice. Any help? |
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| 03:52.39 | somiaj | ac_slater: I don't follow you, why do you need to add an homemade daemon and python2 to the installer, don't you just install those after? |
| 03:53.39 | ac_slater | somiaj: I'm working on a project that requires the machine at the installer stage send some info to another machine. |
| 03:53.40 | somiaj | ac_slater: or are you wanting to create some custom install images that has all the programs/packages you want installed in the process? |
| 03:54.20 | somiaj | ac_slater: if you really need to change the installer, #debian-installer on irc.oftc.net (hope I got the room correct) would be my suggestion |
| 03:54.40 | ac_slater | somiaj: ah good suggestion, I should've asked for appropriate channel first ;) |
| 03:54.40 | somiaj | ac_slater: I was almost wondering if you could do this by making a custom live image from debian live, (live.debian.net) and then using that to just image or isntall it |
| 03:55.14 | ac_slater | somiaj: Yea I made some debian.live stuff, Maybe I havent given it enough of a chance yet |
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| 04:02.08 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> wheezy has released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | squeeze (6.0.7) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | jessie will be wheezy+1 | lenny EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ |
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| 04:04.17 | iLogic | hey guys, i'm trying to install skype on wheezy but when I try to apt-get -f install it asks for the /media/cdrom .. what gives?! |
| 04:05.13 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: also s#wheezy/sid#jessie/sid# |
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| 04:05.28 | ctmjr | iLogic: comment out the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:05.32 | somiaj | iLogic: sounds like you have a deb-cdrom source sitting in your sources.list. Did you add a source for skype, or just download a .deb from tehir site |
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| 04:05.44 | dima_ | anyone know why my self created and imported certificate fails? I get (Error code: sec_error_bad_signature) |
| 04:06.00 | iLogic | awesome, thanks! |
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| 04:38.25 | jaafar | Any bcrypt users out there? Looks like bcrypt -o no longer writes to stdout and instead silently saves a plaintext copy of the input... at least, for me it does |
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| 04:39.32 | imageall | im 12 and what's this |
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| 04:40.32 | imageall | Fre |
| 04:40.39 | soundlust | is there a chan for crashbang? |
| 04:40.51 | th3pun15h3r | you mean crunchbang |
| 04:40.53 | th3pun15h3r | and yes |
| 04:41.02 | soundlust | yeah that =D sorry |
| 04:41.14 | th3pun15h3r | np i did the same when I just started learning about it |
| 04:41.14 | soundlust | was wondering why the chan was empty |
| 04:41.25 | th3pun15h3r | hehe see ya there |
| 04:41.56 | imageall | do i have ot know c## to program in debian |
| 04:42.09 | Niichan | Nope |
| 04:42.18 | Niichan | Unless you want to use the cancer that is mono |
| 04:42.42 | ac_slater | imageall: do you mean C# or C++ ... ? |
| 04:43.03 | peterrooney | imageall: there are a wide variety of programming languages and development environments available in debian. |
| 04:43.04 | imageall | same thing |
| 04:43.16 | ac_slater | imageall: ? what |
| 04:43.55 | peterrooney | imageall: you are deeply mistaken to think those two things the same. |
| 04:44.31 | imageall | isnt c## just c++ for java nerds |
| 04:44.55 | ac_slater | imageall: no haha. |
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| 04:46.08 | peterrooney | Is it Sunday already? |
| 04:46.16 | ac_slater | When considering a language, think of it's properties ; is it native or interpreted? does it run a VM ? What's its standard ? How long has it been around ? What libraries are they for it ? ... when considering these things, C# is completely different than C++ |
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| 04:47.13 | themill | peterrooney: yes |
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| 04:48.26 | soundlust | I've been trying to learn python for acouple months now. thinkin I dont have the brain power to learn programming |
| 04:48.50 | imageall | ac_slater |
| 04:48.50 | ariqs | that is interesting |
| 04:49.44 | ariqs | to me, programming is all very simple and obvios for the most part. That's not to say I'm a great programmer because I only write something from time to time. When I see others, that can otherwise be quite smart people, struggling like it's difficult. |
| 04:49.57 | soundlust | I feel like I'm stuck in limbo or something. I get the basics, but not enought to make anything |
| 04:50.01 | ariqs | I know a guy that failed out of comp science due to programming |
| 04:50.18 | ariqs | he also got a perfect LSAT score :P |
| 04:51.05 | imageall | pythong has no brackets that makes me mad |
| 04:51.16 | soundlust | hah thats funny i call it pythong too |
| 04:51.28 | imageall | it is pythong |
| 04:52.09 | imageall | lol |
| 04:52.19 | xzcvczx | imageall: python3 does :P |
| 04:52.42 | imageall | what version |
| 04:52.48 | xzcvczx | 3.x |
| 04:52.57 | imageall | is that a winky face |
| 04:53.03 | xzcvczx | have brakcets* |
| 04:53.08 | xzcvczx | brackets* |
| 04:53.19 | imageall | no it dosnt |
| 04:53.36 | xzcvczx | yes it does |
| 04:54.04 | xzcvczx | try print 'hello world!' |
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| 04:54.40 | imageall | now what |
| 04:55.01 | xzcvczx | did it work did it? |
| 04:55.11 | imageall | did u see it? |
| 04:55.20 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 04:55.33 | xzcvczx | hence it has brackets |
| 04:56.05 | xzcvczx | it doesn't have braces is i believe what you mean |
| 04:56.07 | imageall | http://i.imgur.com/3CZjMc0.png |
| 04:56.49 | xzcvczx | thats because its python 2 |
| 04:57.08 | imageall | irc is programmed in pythong? |
| 04:57.41 | xzcvczx | yes |
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| 04:58.03 | xzcvczx | there exists such an irc that is programmed in python |
| 04:58.45 | soundlust | is there an easier language than python for scrubs? |
| 04:58.56 | ariqs | python is very easy |
| 04:59.00 | imageall | javascript |
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| 05:00.44 | soundlust | javascript looks like alien language to me. |
| 05:00.46 | iLogic | i'm in love with debian wheezy <3 |
| 05:00.51 | soundlust | python being easy makes me feel even worse |
| 05:00.59 | iLogic | soundlust: no way, javascript is awesome |
| 05:01.33 | soundlust | nah man, that shit is for weirdos =| |
| 05:01.45 | iLogic | you're weirdo :/ |
| 05:01.52 | soundlust | ;C |
| 05:01.57 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:02.59 | soundlust | any reasons why gnome doesnt recognize widescreen |
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| 05:06.07 | somiaj | soundlust: that sounds more like your xorg server. I would look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for info about your video driver and the resolutions it detects |
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| 05:06.39 | soundlust | oh ok |
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| 05:23.08 | yskapell | good morning |
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| 05:23.26 | Scrip | hello |
| 05:23.29 | Scrip | can you guys see this? |
| 05:23.32 | Supaplex | morning already?! hide me! |
| 05:23.35 | yskapell | I still cannot make the usb keyboard to work on debian |
| 05:23.36 | Scrip | hey, can you guys see this |
| 05:23.37 | Supaplex | Scrip: nope. Can't see a thing. |
| 05:23.41 | yskapell | the output of dmesg is http://pastebin.com/RHf31Eaa |
| 05:23.42 | Scrip | finally! |
| 05:23.48 | Scrip | I've been messing with the nickserv on here |
| 05:23.49 | Scrip | it hates me |
| 05:23.56 | Scrip | would not let me use my normal registered name |
| 05:24.01 | Scrip | said I was banned |
| 05:24.19 | yskapell | I have wheezy |
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| 05:24.36 | Scrip | anyways, I just installed debian, and it won't recognize my widescreen |
| 05:24.44 | Scrip | how can I change the resolution? |
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| 05:25.28 | Scrip | here is my xrandr output: http://paste.debian.net/2155/ |
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| 05:28.19 | Scrip | is there a way to force my resolution into 1920x1080? |
| 05:28.25 | Scrip | with a command? |
| 05:28.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell Scrip -about xrandr |
| 05:29.54 | Scrip | ok, but xrandr will only display the allowed resolutions |
| 05:30.01 | Scrip | debian is not letting me set it to wide screen |
| 05:30.13 | epsilon | edit xorg.conf |
| 05:30.14 | Scrip | my only options are 1600x1200, 1280x1024, etc |
| 05:30.32 | Scrip | ok, is that really the best way to approach this problem? Should I get some drivers? |
| 05:30.36 | Scrip | I'll edit that if I need to |
| 05:30.57 | Scrip | where is xorg.conf? |
| 05:30.59 | babilen | Scrip: Okay, which GPU is this and which version of Debian are you using? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) |
| 05:31.00 | Scrip | somewhere in etc I presume |
| 05:31.23 | Scrip | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1244] (rev a1) |
| 05:31.29 | Scrip | it's a gtx 550ti |
| 05:31.48 | babilen | Okay, which version of Debian is this? Did you install the nvidia drivers already? |
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| 05:31.56 | Scrip | oh, it's squeeze |
| 05:32.04 | Scrip | no, unless the update manager did that for me |
| 05:32.07 | babilen | One second please. |
| 05:32.07 | epsilon | and in your desktop environment, there is no setting to specify the size you need?= |
| 05:32.08 | Scrip | which I don't think it did |
| 05:32.34 | Scrip | System-Preferences-monitor |
| 05:32.42 | Scrip | but it restricts me to a 4:3 aspect ratio |
| 05:32.58 | Scrip | I'm at the highest resolution for 4:3 |
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| 05:33.41 | babilen | Scrip: I've just checked (on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt) and the driver in squeeze does not support your GPU even if you had it installed. The one in wheezy (current stable release), however, does. When did you install that box? |
| 05:34.07 | Scrip | I installed it like an hour ago |
| 05:34.10 | Scrip | should I update to wheezy |
| 05:34.16 | epsilon | yes |
| 05:34.25 | Scrip | ok, noob question, what's a safe way to do that |
| 05:34.27 | babilen | Scrip: Why did you install the old version? We released wheezy yesterday! :) |
| 05:34.31 | epsilon | better reinstall from scratch with wheezy |
| 05:34.34 | Scrip | really? |
| 05:34.40 | Scrip | I haven't been here in a while |
| 05:34.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell Scrip -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 05:34.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell Scrip -about install wheezy |
| 05:34.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell Scrip -about firmware images wheezy |
| 05:34.59 | Scrip | I always just use squeeze the last year or so |
| 05:35.06 | Scrip | wait, I have to do a fresh install |
| 05:35.08 | Scrip | damn |
| 05:35.19 | Scrip | I just now got this crazy thing working with triple boot |
| 05:36.01 | babilen | Scrip: The bot sent you information about both upgrading and new installation of wheezy. It might be easier, faster, better to install it from scratch, but upgrading should also be fine. Still don't understand why you installed the old version today -- When did you download the images? |
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| 05:36.28 | babilen | Scrip: Okay, once you are done with the upgrade/installation you want to install the nvidia driver. |
| 05:36.50 | Scrip | the reason I installed squeeze is I've been linux-free for the past 2 months |
| 05:36.55 | Scrip | besides a nice vm I had in palce |
| 05:36.58 | babilen | dpkg: nvidia dkms |
| 05:36.59 | dpkg | For Wheezy users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 05:37.09 | Scrip | my servers don't use desktop-environments or windows managers |
| 05:37.52 | babilen | Scrip: Follow the instructions the bot just mentioned to install *and* configure the drivers. ^^^ |
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| 05:39.20 | Scrip | man, this is too complicated, maybe I wasn't meant for debian |
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| 05:39.59 | truexfan81 | Scrip: i said the same thing the first time i tried debian |
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| 05:40.07 | truexfan81 | a year later i find it quite easy |
| 05:40.09 | epsilon | no, you just want to shout 'fuck you nvidia' |
| 05:40.12 | Scrip | I've been using debian for years |
| 05:40.26 | Scrip | at least 3 years |
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| 05:41.03 | Scrip | damn, well most of my machines have had ati cards |
| 05:41.08 | Scrip | so maybe it was easier back then |
| 05:41.13 | Scrip | I never had problems before |
| 05:41.36 | babilen | Scrip: What exactly do you find complicated? The installation instructions above are simply the automated and *very* condensed instructions that are needed to install the driver. I can explain them to you if you want. |
| 05:42.10 | Scrip | ok, if I were to put a livecd of wheezy on my usb drive, and install it over this current installation, that should factor in just fine with my boot manager? |
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| 05:42.16 | Scrip | I've been having major boot manager problems |
| 05:43.06 | babilen | Scrip: First and foremost: I would recommend to install from the "normal" images and not the live ones (at least I am not comfortable right now to recommend the live builds without having heard anything about them) |
| 05:43.08 | Scrip | i'll figure out the drivers once the I get the OS installed |
| 05:43.22 | babilen | Scrip: What were your boot problems and which two other operating systems are on the computer? |
| 05:43.24 | Scrip | well, I normally would agree, I usually just do a netinst |
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| 05:43.47 | Scrip | I've been having problems: I have my first 250GB hdd with xp on it |
| 05:43.56 | Scrip | then I have my second hdd with a 450GB partition with windows 7 |
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| 05:44.06 | Scrip | and a remaining 180GB partition for linux |
| 05:44.29 | Scrip | I finally figured it out, however when I boot, for some reason teh debian installation installed GRUB on the 250GB hdd |
| 05:44.36 | Scrip | even though I told it to stay away from it |
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| 05:44.59 | Scrip | for the longest time today I couldn't boot at all |
| 05:45.08 | Scrip | I screwed up the MBR |
| 05:45.30 | Scrip | alright, so netinst? |
| 05:45.33 | Scrip | I'll try wheezy |
| 05:45.33 | epsilon | at the last step of debian installer you tell GRUB where to install |
| 05:45.43 | Scrip | hmm |
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| 05:45.51 | Scrip | should I just do the netinst with gnome |
| 05:46.00 | Scrip | or should I just go barebones and then install my desktop environment manually |
| 05:46.04 | Scrip | I actually prefer xcfe |
| 05:46.09 | Scrip | xfce* |
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| 05:46.34 | epsilon | at the step with dselect, what packages to install, just deselect desktop |
| 05:46.48 | epsilon | and install xfce4 manually |
| 05:46.51 | Scrip | ok |
| 05:47.01 | Scrip | well, hopefully see you guys soon, thanks for the hlpe |
| 05:47.02 | Scrip | help |
| 05:47.12 | truexfan81 | Scrip: if you have been using debian for 3 years i'm sure you know that you can pick xfce from the alternative desktops menu on netinstall cd's boot menu |
| 05:47.48 | epsilon | hu, you can? |
| 05:47.58 | babilen | epsilon: You can install XFCE just fine during the initial installation. (See <various cd1> and <install xfce> for details) |
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| 05:48.06 | epsilon | oh |
| 05:48.10 | truexfan81 | yeah its under advanced |
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| 05:48.35 | ex-parrot1 | does that XFCE option include much extra cruft like applications? how minimal is it? |
| 05:48.37 | babilen | unfortunately Scrip left already and ... well |
| 05:48.53 | truexfan81 | ex-parrot1: it gives the full xfce |
| 05:49.06 | truexfan81 | i did that when i put wheezy netinstall on my netbook |
| 05:49.09 | babilen | ex-parrot1: The "Desktop" task is never minimal. If you want minimal then pick the packages you want yourself after the initial installation. |
| 05:49.19 | babilen | ex-parrot1: It's essentially xfce4 + xfce4-goodies IIRC |
| 05:49.52 | ex-parrot1 | ok, that's fairly minimal by the standards of the other options though... |
| 05:50.01 | epsilon | I start loving xfce anyway, since version 3 gnome is kinda overloaded |
| 05:50.13 | truexfan81 | last time i did a netinstall on my pc, i chose no DE, installed xorg myself and then added the mate repos and installed mate |
| 05:50.14 | ex--parrot | I found too much gtk3 nonsense leaked in to xfce in wheezy :/ |
| 05:50.55 | babilen | ex--parrot: Could be more minimal, but yeah -- Just wanted to clarify that it is by no means a "slimmed down" XFCE or so |
| 05:51.51 | truexfan81 | at this point if it wasn't linked as a dependency i would remove xfwm4, i'm not using it, replaced it with kwin lol |
| 05:53.14 | ex--parrot | babilen: I was more asking "does it install libreoffice and inkscape too" |
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| 05:54.42 | babilen | ex--parrot: It installs the task-xfce-desktop package and its dependencies |
| 05:54.54 | ex--parrot | right, I will work it out for myself :) |
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| 05:55.04 | babilen | judd: depends task-xfce-desktop |
| 05:55.05 | judd | Package task-xfce-desktop in wheezy/i386 -- depends: tasksel, task-desktop, xfce4, lightdm. |
| 05:55.50 | babilen | judd: why task-xfce-desktop libreoffice |
| 05:56.39 | judd | Packages task-xfce-desktop and libreoffice in wheezy/i386 are linked by 3 chains: task-xfce-desktop ▷ libreoffice; task-xfce-desktop ▶ task-desktop ▷ task-gnome-desktop ▷ libreoffice; task-xfce-desktop ▶ task-desktop ▷ task-gnome-desktop ▷ gnome ▶ gnome-documents ▷ unoconv ▷ libreoffice |
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| 06:07.11 | yskapell | hello again |
| 06:10.12 | yskapell | what modules must be loaded for usb devices? |
| 06:10.16 | yskapell | usbcore? |
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| 06:13.12 | yskapell | I have this in xorg.conf |
| 06:13.12 | yskapell | http://paste.debian.net/2162/ |
| 06:13.39 | yskapell | If I add Option "Protocol" "auto" in keyboard section will work? |
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| 06:31.44 | Scriptonaut | hey guys, so where can I find a wheezy live cd |
| 06:31.54 | Scriptonaut | I tried the net install, it complains about my cd drive |
| 06:32.14 | Scriptonaut | it can't seem to detect it, though it's plugged in |
| 06:32.16 | project2501a | what's the complaint? |
| 06:32.29 | Scriptonaut | no complaint, I'm just looking for a wheezy live cd |
| 06:32.47 | project2501a | no,no, sorry dude, too early not enough coffee: what does dmesg say |
| 06:33.02 | Scriptonaut | what? |
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| 06:33.05 | project2501a | let's resolve the problem with the cd drive |
| 06:33.24 | Scriptonaut | ok, when I tried to install the netinst imgage of wheezy, it complained I didn't have a cd drive |
| 06:33.32 | Scriptonaut | and no further steps of installation were possible |
| 06:33.37 | babilen | Scriptonaut: Did you install from CD? |
| 06:33.43 | Scriptonaut | no, usb |
| 06:33.55 | new[] | it wouldn't *need* CD? it's a netinstall ? |
| 06:34.10 | babilen | Scriptonaut: Okay, did you create it following the working instructions in the installation guide or did you use a unetbootin (which is known not to work) ? |
| 06:34.23 | Scriptonaut | unetbootin |
| 06:34.33 | babilen | new[]: You can burn the netinstall image to a blank CD just fine and install from there. |
| 06:34.41 | babilen | Scriptonaut: Okay, unetbootin is your problem then |
| 06:34.46 | project2501a | what babilen said. |
| 06:34.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell Scriptonaut about usb install |
| 06:34.54 | Scriptonaut | shit. What about Yumi |
| 06:35.02 | project2501a | what's yumi? |
| 06:35.09 | new[] | babilen: he already explicitly said it was from usb :P |
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| 06:35.36 | Scriptonaut | Yumi is another program that makes bootable usb installations |
| 06:35.55 | project2501a | Scriptonaut: avoid |
| 06:35.59 | Scriptonaut | is there a livecd? |
| 06:36.02 | babilen | Scriptonaut: Are you using linux at the moment? Or Windows -- But our bot just sent you information on how to create it. If you are using *nix you can just "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb (your usb stick)) |
| 06:36.08 | Scriptonaut | because I had this same problem with squeeze |
| 06:36.18 | project2501a | pebkac |
| 06:36.21 | Scriptonaut | no, I'm on windows 7 |
| 06:36.33 | babilen | Scriptonaut: The problem is unetbootin and not our images. unetbootin is broken and causes exactly *this* error |
| 06:36.42 | project2501a | ^-- what he said |
| 06:36.44 | Scriptonaut | so is there an alternative |
| 06:36.46 | project2501a | yes |
| 06:36.48 | Scriptonaut | on windows |
| 06:36.50 | babilen | Scriptonaut: So, then use the win32diskimager linked in the factoid the bot sent you. |
| 06:36.53 | project2501a | burn the CD image to windows |
| 06:36.57 | project2501a | erh, to a cd |
| 06:37.06 | project2501a | boot from CD |
| 06:37.07 | Scriptonaut | damn, I have no cd/dvds |
| 06:37.12 | babilen | Scriptonaut: Did you read what the bot sent you already? |
| 06:37.17 | Scriptonaut | not yet, I will now |
| 06:37.23 | babilen | .oO( Am I talking against a wall? ) |
| 06:37.32 | Scriptonaut | no |
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| 06:38.11 | Scriptonaut | babilen, are you telling me the only way to prepare a usb stick is through a gnu/linux system? |
| 06:38.58 | babilen | no |
| 06:39.04 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 06:39.05 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 06:39.10 | babilen | Scriptonaut: Please read again ^^^ |
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| 06:39.22 | babilen | Note the "to write images from Windows" part |
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| 06:52.35 | truexfan81 | can also boot the netinstall cd and install to a usb :P thats what i did for experimenting with my pc |
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| 07:05.57 | Geri___ | hello. I am trying to install wheezy on my machine (an efika smartbook - armhf arch). I am currently trying with the 'other images' section (and more precisely, with this http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-armhf/current/images/mx5/netboot/efikamx/ ). <-- where do I go from here? Should I get a bootloader and use it with those files? I am not sure what's the... |
| 07:05.58 | Geri___ | ...appropriate manual section to search. |
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| 07:20.44 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 07:21.41 | AlexLikeRock | tanks devolopers to done the new debian 7 :-) |
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| 07:37.19 | toni | ciao |
| 07:37.22 | toni | !list |
| 07:37.22 | dpkg | toni: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 07:44.44 | tex___ | is upgrading his servers to wheezy (no probs so far) |
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| 07:48.53 | mumpitze1 | Geri___: those are boot images. do you know how to use PXE, tftp server, etc? |
| 07:49.28 | AlexLikeRock | what is PXE ? |
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| 07:50.16 | AlexLikeRock | you mean wen choices a packages ? |
| 07:50.38 | AlexLikeRock | just only desktop |
| 07:50.59 | mumpitze1 | ever heard of google? |
| 07:51.13 | mumpitze1 | !pxe |
| 07:51.13 | dpkg | Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <ipxe>. |
| 07:51.54 | mumpitze1 | Geri___: http://wiki.debian.org/EfikaMX |
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| 08:06.31 | dizzylizzy | I like pointless uses of echo |
| 08:06.35 | dizzylizzy | echo $(hostname) |
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| 08:10.31 | betterworld | dizzylizzy: i suppose you know that if for whatever reason "hostname" prints "?", then your command will print the names of all files matching that pattern |
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| 08:14.37 | dizzylizzy | haha |
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| 08:19.02 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 08:19.14 | AlexLikeRock | hi/hola |
| 08:19.52 | ZenWalker | if wheezy is released, why on packages.debian.org is wheezy testing ? |
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| 08:20.53 | dizzylizzy | Hooray! Now we can melt testing |
| 08:21.10 | AlexLikeRock | because all debian are update on 8 hors aprox |
| 08:21.17 | dizzylizzy | yeah |
| 08:21.33 | dizzylizzy | I'd wait 24 hours before aptitude update |
| 08:21.44 | nohitall | read lot bout gnome3 probs |
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| 08:23.30 | AlexLikeRock | http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 |
| 08:23.59 | dizzylizzy | may the fourth be with you |
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| 08:25.04 | mani3q | Hi, I'm installing Debian Wheezy kFreeBSD - can somebody tell me why there is no Polish language on the list? |
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| 08:25.37 | me-1 | hi...is wheezy stable is released..? |
| 08:25.52 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 08:26.00 | mani3q | me-1: I guess - it is |
| 08:26.14 | AlexLikeRock | but all the webpage are on update ... |
| 08:26.55 | AlexLikeRock | me-1 http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 |
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| 08:27.09 | devadmin | hello? |
| 08:27.20 | AlexLikeRock | hellow |
| 08:27.24 | AlexLikeRock | ask |
| 08:27.45 | devadmin | Hey guise im stuck in a terminal after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, I forgot how to set the environment to another version of gcc so I can reinstall my nvidia proprietary drivers |
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| 08:27.55 | devadmin | does anyone know the dang command? I know its simple |
| 08:28.10 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 08:28.14 | AlexLikeRock | wait... |
| 08:28.44 | devadmin | k thanks |
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| 08:29.02 | devadmin | yeah gnome wont load, and I expected it not too, knowing I would have to reinstall nvidia proprietary |
| 08:29.43 | devadmin | I was gunna fire up lynx and google it from a terminal , but figured I might as well come here and ask instead. |
| 08:29.48 | AlexLikeRock | devadmin, i have this on spanish http://alexlikerock.blogspot.mx/2012/11/instalar-de-manera-facil-driver-nvidia.html |
| 08:29.55 | devadmin | I dont have a browser |
| 08:29.56 | AlexLikeRock | search some like that on english |
| 08:30.02 | devadmin | im in a terminal I cant click that |
| 08:30.03 | AlexLikeRock | :-S |
| 08:30.07 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 08:30.15 | me-1 | the official debian website is un-changed this time |
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| 08:30.25 | mani3q | How to contribute to debian? I think there is no Polish translation to Wheezy, maybe I will try. |
| 08:30.31 | Feigr | me-1: the banner image changed |
| 08:30.46 | ZenWalker | AlexLikeRock: thx |
| 08:30.48 | ex--parrot | seems stuff is broken by default when running over SSH-forwarded X11 now :/ running pidgin I get an error "(Pidgin:8425): Clutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter: Failed to connected to any renderer: XServer appears to lack required GLX support" |
| 08:30.49 | AlexLikeRock | devadmin, add this to repositories deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 08:30.51 | mani3q | devadmin: maybe try to install 'links' - browser for terminal |
| 08:31.02 | devadmin | I allready have that in my repos |
| 08:31.09 | devadmin | lynx is what I use for termina browser |
| 08:31.19 | me-1 | Feigr, yes but I want more :) . Was it realeased in may..? |
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| 08:32.16 | AlexLikeRock | devadmin, ok run "uname -r" |
| 08:33.07 | devadmin | I found the command CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.6 |
| 08:33.18 | devadmin | I found the command 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.6' |
| 08:33.19 | AlexLikeRock | devadmin, and copy the like that "3.2.0-4-686-pae" |
| 08:33.25 | devadmin | thanks, im out |
| 08:33.33 | AlexLikeRock | :-/ |
| 08:33.36 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.48 | AlexLikeRock | haa haa ha , " yes but I want more :)" ha ha ah |
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| 08:35.20 | ex--parrot | can I disable Clutter somehow and go back to a sane rendering system that doesn't require OpenGL? |
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| 08:36.11 | Terminus | ex--parrot: there's a gnome failsafe if that floats your boat. |
| 08:36.37 | Terminus | i'm forced to use it because gnome3 doesn't quite work well in vmware. |
| 08:36.50 | ex--parrot | Terminus: just trying to run expletive pidgin over SSH forwarded X11, how do I get that back to the way it used to be |
| 08:37.04 | ex--parrot | I can't believe the Gnome devs broke something as simple as that |
| 08:37.44 | Terminus | ex--parrot: oh... haven't tried to do something like that in a while. ssh -X user@foo /usr/bin/pidgin doesn't work? |
| 08:37.46 | nohitall | hm my installation just failed, not a good start |
| 08:38.12 | ex--parrot | no Terminus, it just gives a braindead error about glx. I don't want opengl in my IM app, I just want things to work the way they have for more than a decade :/ |
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| 08:40.01 | Terminus | ex--parrot: sorry. i have no idea how to deal with that. it seems like pidgin itself is requiring glx. |
| 08:40.14 | ex--parrot | it's Clutter, the new stupid rendering nonsense in gtk3 |
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| 08:40.23 | ex--parrot | makes exasperated noises |
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| 08:40.46 | Terminus | X11 forwarding is one of those things i occassionally find useful and would hate to lose because of wayland. |
| 08:41.07 | Terminus | ex--parrot: only thing i can think of is building your own pidgin linked to old gtk. =| |
| 08:41.26 | ex--parrot | that's nuts. the whole reason I use debian is because I never have to build stuff from source |
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| 08:42.06 | Terminus | same. the gui situation seems to be changing a lot these days. |
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| 08:42.27 | Terminus | ex--parrot: the other option would be to stay with squeeze. |
| 08:42.32 | ex--parrot | gtk3 / gnome 3 seems to be nowhere near the standard of quality I've come to expect from a debian stable release |
| 08:42.37 | ex--parrot | that's only workable for 12 months |
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| 08:43.18 | nohitall | my install just crashed completely, ..lets try lxde iso lol |
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| 08:44.08 | ex--parrot | and it's like none of this new stuff is documented... where the heck do I find how to disable Clutter and switch back to a more sensible rendering engine? I can barely find a page explaining what Clutter is :( |
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| 08:44.37 | Terminus | ex--parrot: seems it's a known issue https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=glx+x11+forwarding |
| 08:45.20 | ex--parrot | solving that problem is coming at it from a fundamentally broken angle though, why the heck would I want glx in my IM client? it has no 3D functionality |
| 08:45.28 | Terminus | ex--parrot: hmmm... ssh -X ip.of.remote.machine LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=y glxgears is one workaround i saw. |
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| 08:45.51 | ex--parrot | I don't want to suffer the insanity of an IM client linked against an OpenGL library particularly |
| 08:45.55 | Terminus | ex--parrot: was wondering the same thing. i thought any fancy compositing would be handled by the WM and not the app itself. |
| 08:45.59 | mumpitze1 | everyone needs compositing cause it would be so ugly then. and compositing needs glx :( |
| 08:46.54 | ex--parrot | mumpitze1: I don't see the point in compositing, wasting power and making my computer more expensive just to draw windows when I've had just fine window drawing in X11 without compositing forever |
| 08:47.15 | ex--parrot | Terminus: I think the issue is my SSH client side has no GL at all, and it's trying to fwd the GL stuff over the X11-over-SSH tunnel |
| 08:47.37 | ex--parrot | ah man sorry guys I am full of rage I don't need to be taking it out in the channel, I'll stop my whinging now and go install KDE |
| 08:47.44 | Terminus | ex--parrot: ah... yeah, that would be a problem as well. |
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| 08:48.03 | Terminus | ex--parrot: i don't see how switching to kde will help if the problem is pidgin. |
| 08:48.26 | ex--parrot | I'll just find a new Qt based IM client, I cannot be bothered with the nonsense gtk is doing now |
| 08:48.41 | Terminus | ah... new client would work. |
| 08:48.57 | ex--parrot | pidgin's not even very good, I've just been using it forever |
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| 08:49.17 | Blue1 | !wheezy |
| 08:49.18 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. |
| 08:49.41 | Terminus | i haven't really used pidgin in a long time. i switched to empathy when ubuntu started making it the default. |
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| 08:50.11 | ex--parrot | I tried to use empathy but it drove me insane |
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| 08:50.31 | Terminus | shrugs |
| 08:50.33 | Blue1 | okay where am I going to get the latest debian wheezy |
| 08:50.46 | et | how about debian.org? |
| 08:50.49 | Terminus | i only use yahoo messenger so as long as it can send and receive messages, i'm good. |
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| 08:52.12 | Blue1 | jigido is not standard format |
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| 08:55.52 | Blue1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ here is what you want |
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| 09:04.07 | nohitall | ok second installation which fails while installing with GDE |
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| 09:06.24 | jimcooncat-again | from release notes, what's this about? all init.d scripts should declare their dependencies in an LSB header. |
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| 09:07.16 | davis776 | hello, before dist-upgrade I have to replace squeeze with wheezy in sources.list right? |
| 09:07.18 | *** topic/#debian by babilen -> wheezy has released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ |
| 09:07.20 | mumpitze1 | it's it something that'S been done for squeeze too? |
| 09:07.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o babilen] by ChanServ |
| 09:07.34 | mumpitze1 | davis776: read the topic |
| 09:07.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell jimcooncat-again -about missing lsb headers |
| 09:08.10 | Terminus | jimcooncat-again: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 09:08.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell jimcooncat-again -about missing lsb tags |
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| 09:08.48 | jimcooncat-again | thanks babilen |
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| 09:09.46 | sviz | So when can we get Debian Jessie? |
| 09:09.51 | sviz | :p |
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| 09:10.10 | davis776 | mumpitze1, nothing helpful in there |
| 09:10.13 | babilen | sviz: Now, soon .. Ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:10.32 | sviz | LOL that place is too quiet |
| 09:10.46 | babilen | davis776: You should follow the release notes and read the <squeeze->wheezy> factoid that is mentioned in the topic. |
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| 09:11.19 | babilen | sviz: You are not even there - It is the support channel for testing/unstable though (#d is for stable) |
| 09:11.31 | sviz | If I only had my laptop and not tAken that ambien is so go play with it tonight |
| 09:11.58 | babilen | sviz: But it'll take a little bit. jessie exists already on the mirrors, but packages might migrate or are currently migrating or will migrate soon ... |
| 09:12.02 | sviz | Yea babilen im on my iPhone. It doesn't login to all my networks |
| 09:12.19 | nohitall | I'll give it a week ...there are some bugs to fix |
| 09:12.30 | babilen | sviz: fair enough, #debian-next is still the channel you want :) |
| 09:12.46 | tex___ | I'm confused, squeeze->wheezy upgrade broke on one machine because man-db could not find POSIX.pm. Had to set "PERL5LIB=/usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/ apt-get -f install" to get it working. WTF? |
| 09:12.50 | babilen | sviz: And yeah, jessie will be a bumpy right for some time to come. |
| 09:12.55 | sviz | I want to read about all this open auth and two factor integration. |
| 09:13.12 | babilen | ok, /me is off -- good luck! |
| 09:13.19 | sviz | I know google auth turned out to be a big pain |
| 09:14.09 | babilen | tex___: Please report that bug (if it hasn't already) -- You are the first person that I know of who ran into that problem. Did you follow the release notes? |
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| 09:14.53 | devadmin | Ok I just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and I have just one statement to make |
| 09:14.58 | devadmin | WHAT THE HELL IS THIS CRAP???!?!? |
| 09:15.15 | devadmin | Is this that queer crap they run on Ubuntu??? |
| 09:15.26 | babilen | devadmin: ok, please keep it at that or make constructive comments. |
| 09:15.30 | devadmin | "unity" or whatever the hell it is, I want it off my machine NOW |
| 09:15.45 | tex___ | babilen: found the mistake, my fault. Some malicious package broke the symlink from /usr/lib/perl/5.14 to 5.14.2 so 5.14 was literaly empty ... |
| 09:16.00 | devadmin | its some fruity interface that bogs down a cpu, to mention my GUI became totally unresponsive after first booting into it |
| 09:16.09 | devadmin | I want this GUI GONE its HORRIBLE |
| 09:16.12 | Geri___ | mumpitze1: not really, never heard of them. |
| 09:16.14 | nohitall | devadmin: one does not simply upgrade on release day |
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| 09:16.18 | tex___ | devadmin: yeah, but this has little to do w/ debian, it's gnome |
| 09:16.29 | devadmin | Whatever it is, I want it gone, any suggestions? |
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| 09:16.32 | babilen | devadmin: I guess you have Gnome 3 (feel free to use a different desktop environment such as XFCE4 (/msg dpkg install xfce)) -- and no, that is not unity. Please refrain from any comments such as "queer crap" in the future. You will be silenced for two hours. |
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| 09:17.37 | babilen | devadmin: I guess ten minutes should be enough for you to calm down and install XFCE in the meanwhile. |
| 09:17.40 | nohitall | I report: installation fails when GDE is selected |
| 09:17.47 | tex___ | devadmin: some suggestions: try another desktop like KDE, XFCE, fluxbox or others. You may be more happy with those. |
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| 09:18.42 | sviz | Anyone try x2go yet? |
| 09:18.46 | Geri___ | mumpitze1: and most importantly, I don't have a serial donge... That means I must wait for someone @ genesi to make a bootable image for me, right? |
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| 09:21.03 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i just installed wheezy on a flash drive and tried it on two different machines; machine A has no problem running gnome 3 but machine B, when I try to log in, i get the following error: a problem has occurred and the system cannot recover |
| 09:21.46 | mumpitze1 | paranoidphreak: so your 2nd videocard driver might be not well supported |
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| 09:23.02 | paranoidphreak | mumpitze1: is there a way to resolve this by searching for the drivers? |
| 09:23.35 | paranoidphreak | mumpitze1: how do i find out what kind of card i have ? |
| 09:23.49 | tex___ | paranoidphreak: lspci |
| 09:24.09 | paranoidphreak | tex___: thanks |
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| 09:44.02 | MatthiasShalom | hi there ^^ |
| 09:44.03 | MatthiasShalom | where is ffmpeg gone? |
| 09:44.30 | MatthiasShalom | cant find it in the repos anymore |
| 09:44.40 | mumpitze1 | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 09:44.40 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.15-dmo1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.3-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.5-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 6:0.8.6-1; sid: 6:0.8.6-1; wheezy: 6:0.8.6-1; sid-multimedia: 8:1.0.6-dmo2; wheezy- |
| 09:44.40 | judd | multimedia: 8:1.0.6-dmo2 |
| 09:44.40 | mumpitze1 | looks like it's right there |
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| 09:45.19 | MatthiasShalom | ah? |
| 09:45.23 | MatthiasShalom | http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#multimedia? |
| 09:45.27 | MatthiasShalom | thanks a lot |
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| 09:45.55 | MatthiasShalom | any why MySQL? Instead of MariaDB? |
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| 09:46.36 | doomster | Good morning! Can somebody give me a hand with the BTS? My email address changed, and I'd like to adjust all bugs I filed to the new address. |
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| 09:46.42 | tex___ | MatthiasShalom: why not? |
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| 09:47.29 | fixer | hello |
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| 09:48.18 | fixer | I just "upgraded' from squeeze to wheezy and whoever decided gnome 3 was fantastic and should be the default desktop for Debian 7, well that person is an incompetant MORON who SHOULD BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY! |
| 09:48.42 | epsilon | welcome to the club |
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| 09:49.11 | mumpitze1 | fixer: thankfully debian included xfce and lxde. so why rage? |
| 09:49.24 | fixer | it was aweful, it locked up,and crashed, not to mention it was just horrible |
| 09:49.32 | fixer | why did I have to type "startx" to get it to load? |
| 09:49.44 | fixer | where were all my programs?? |
| 09:49.47 | fixer | nowhere to be found |
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| 09:49.50 | cirrus] | hi |
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| 09:49.54 | fixer | Now I know why people were complaining |
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| 09:50.21 | fixer | Now I see just how offensively horrible Gnome3 really is, I mean its simply offensive. thats the only word I can find to describe it. |
| 09:50.46 | cirrus] | if I have wheezy installed then do I have to upgrade to jesse to have testing version or am I up to date? |
| 09:50.56 | doomster | gives fixer a hug. |
| 09:51.00 | doomster | there, there... |
| 09:51.22 | cirrus] | aww |
| 09:51.34 | fixer | I dont like xfce or lxde, they are both crap compared to gnome2 imho |
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| 09:51.56 | fixer | Im installing kde-plasma will see how that goes |
| 09:52.04 | Terminus | fixer: add a mate repo and switch to that then? |
| 09:52.17 | fixer | maybe the guys at KDE finally figured out how to right click "set as desktop background" after all these years |
| 09:52.25 | fixer | hopefully someone could write them a tutorial |
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| 09:52.52 | mumpitze1 | cirrus]: don't just switch to testing again just yet. testing will be very very crappy, unstable and plain bad for a few weeks until the influx of many new packages from sid has been processed |
| 09:53.06 | ctx144k | thanks for debian7 :-) |
| 09:53.07 | mumpitze1 | but yes, you will need to switch to jessie when you want to continue to run testing |
| 09:53.08 | cirrus] | ok |
| 09:53.08 | fixer | I have heard of mate, but I dont have high powered gpus here, I dont want something that demands a 16 core gpu in SLI with 16 cpu cores |
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| 09:53.13 | cirrus] | thank you mumpitze1 |
| 09:53.58 | cirrus] | fixer, well, I use xfce and I can |
| 09:54.01 | mumpitze1 | fixer: xfce and lxde are fine |
| 09:54.01 | cirrus] | *and I can't say bad word about it |
| 09:54.07 | cirrus] | but it's a matter of taste |
| 09:54.39 | Terminus | *sigh* people were complaining about default UIs in 2000 and people will still be complaining about default UIs in 2050, despite having the option of running whatever UI they wish. |
| 09:54.50 | hurtigbuffer | fixer: a embedded gpu from any 2009 intel cpu or newer will do just fine |
| 09:54.52 | fixer | Has the CEO of the Gnome project been properly punished for his failure as a leader? Has justive been served? |
| 09:55.19 | hurtigbuffer | fixer: please keep to tech support questions |
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| 09:55.32 | fixer | oh your right, I should just shut up and accept failure. |
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| 09:55.59 | mumpitze1 | Terminus: gnome3 hate is actually exceptional |
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| 09:56.05 | jelly-home | fixer: no, but you should refrain from useless, inflamatory comments about upstream that Debian can't do anything about |
| 09:56.17 | fixer | Well my "useless" comments are requisite to point out the issue, and I will direct my infalamtory comments at those responsible, GNOME |
| 09:56.18 | Terminus | mumpitze1: my memory might be hazy but i seem to remember a lot of noise against gnome2 back when it was new too. |
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| 09:57.46 | jelly-home | fixer: everyone knows about this issue, dude |
| 09:57.53 | fixer | Debian should not be using gnome3 as its default GUI |
| 09:57.54 | havoc_666 | If I don't like Gnome I'll start use something else.. simple... why pain? |
| 09:58.02 | jelly-home | fixer: change the default |
| 09:58.06 | mumpitze1 | debian never had a default |
| 09:58.06 | fixer | really? Coz Gnome is what installs by default sir. |
| 09:58.06 | jelly-home | it's just what the default installer comes with |
| 09:58.07 | fixer | the installer doesnt give you the option |
| 09:58.07 | Terminus | mumpitze1: well, the DE in tasksel has always defaulted to gnome IIRC. |
| 09:58.09 | jelly-home | if you'd picket the kde installer image, it would have installed kde |
| 09:58.09 | fixer | lol |
| 09:58.09 | jelly-home | at this point however |
| 09:58.19 | jelly-home | dpkg: tell fixer about install kde |
| 09:58.23 | Terminus | oh. this is what i get for always using netinst. XD |
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| 09:58.49 | fixer | I dont need to know about KDE, Im installing it, Im saying, it should or something other than Gnome, be the default. |
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| 09:59.05 | fixer | It really is that bad, someone needs to slam the brakes on and rm -rf Gnome3 from the whole distro |
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| 10:00.16 | ompaul | fixer: that never happens |
| 10:00.16 | havoc_666 | If you dont need to know about KDE, parhaps you should install windows? :) |
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| 10:02.00 | jelly-home | fixer: it might be crap, but it's not going to be changed now AFTER the release happened, dude |
| 10:02.00 | fixer | I mean if I wantd to be tormented with something as aweful as Gnome3, I would just used UBuntu with "UNity" |
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| 10:02.11 | Terminus | fixer: make your own spin that installs whatever you want by default. you're entitled to your own opinion, however i don't think the people involved in debian have any obligation to follow your personal preferences. |
| 10:02.23 | fixer | So, is mate really as sweet as it looks and I have heard? |
| 10:02.23 | ompaul | no idea I use KDE |
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| 10:02.24 | fixer | Well, its not really a matter of my personal preference, Terminus, Gnome3 is a massive failure in more ways than just astetics. |
| 10:02.25 | ompaul | fixer: your opinion, the devs who wrote it (gnome devs) made it like that |
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| 10:03.23 | fixer | It wouldnt autostartx, it crashed after 20 seconds of glitching and doing wierd stuff. |
| 10:03.24 | fixer | No, its not my opinion, its unstable, that is a FACT, |
| 10:03.24 | fixer | I would only be complaining about the appearance of it, but im not, it has serious issues. |
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| 10:03.33 | fixer | Certainly I am proud to be a debian user, Gnome3 makes me embaressed |
| 10:03.39 | fixer | Do you think I would let a client see that garbage? |
| 10:03.57 | jelly-home | no, you'd TEST stuff before letting them see |
| 10:04.04 | ompaul | fixer: I use kde for professional desktops - I don't have your problems |
| 10:04.11 | fixer | yeah youd test to make sure it was STABLE before you let them see |
| 10:04.17 | fixer | clearly someone wasnt doing their job at debian |
| 10:04.36 | ompaul | it was your job to test and provide an alternative - there is no one person with a job |
| 10:04.39 | fixer | Im discussing the issues with Gnome3 ompaul not KDE |
| 10:04.50 | jelly-home | debian has other silly defaults... just configure it to suit your needs, and that includes not using a DE that's buggy on your platform |
| 10:05.02 | ompaul | clearly you made the problem by not testing and getting involved early enough it is your problem non fixer |
| 10:05.06 | jelly-home | will not comment on this any more |
| 10:05.26 | fixer | Obviously you are not concerned about putting a crappy, buggy GUI as the default desktop environment because you fail to value new users and the experience they have |
| 10:05.27 | ompaul | follows jelly-home home |
| 10:05.30 | fixer | first impressions can be killers |
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| 10:06.26 | fixer | I am a sysop, and a user, not a programmer, it is not my "job" to fix the issues with Gnome3, it is my duty as a user to voice my opinion on such matters |
| 10:06.36 | fixer | your whole philosphy is flawed sir, |
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| 10:07.55 | fixer | Perhaps a voice of opposition is mute after a freeze. |
| 10:08.00 | fixer | moot |
| 10:08.12 | fixer | And in that, maybe I should be more invovled in testing |
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| 10:09.51 | fixer | ok whats the deal with kde on debian 7, it loaded, let me login, opened a terminal, sort of, and its just sitting there |
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| 10:10.06 | fixer | no desktop icons, no hard disk activity, nothing |
| 10:10.18 | fixer | just a half opened console I cant even type in, with a debian background |
| 10:10.36 | tex___ | fixer: isn't "no hard disk activity" a good thing? |
| 10:10.54 | fixer | well apparently KDE is configured to log a user in and open a non functiuonal console |
| 10:10.57 | fixer | thats all its doing |
| 10:11.02 | fixer | I close the terminal, it logs me out |
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| 10:11.04 | fixer | fantastic |
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| 10:11.20 | jelly-home | fixer: did you install kde-plasma-desktop? |
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| 10:11.34 | yskapell | Hi |
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| 10:11.47 | fixer | yeah you have to select your environment, interesting |
| 10:11.51 | fixer | from the logins creen |
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| 10:43.13 | moosemorals | squeeze->wheezy upgrade uninstalling mysql was a nasty surprise... |
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| 10:43.38 | MatthiasShalom | moosemorals: i read mySQL is still default? |
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| 10:44.18 | moosemorals | There's a line in the upgrade instructions in the "obsolete packages" that says "mysql-5.1, successor is mysql-5.5." but I assumed the upgrade would be automatic. |
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| 10:45.05 | MatthiasShalom | moosemorals: ok |
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| 10:45.27 | MatthiasShalom | Is there any Statement, why deb stays on MySQL? |
| 10:45.44 | MatthiasShalom | Instead of MariaDB of course. |
| 10:46.11 | mumpitze1 | too late to change. wheezy was frozen mid last year... |
| 10:46.20 | xand | debian is stable and maria is new |
| 10:46.21 | MatthiasShalom | mumpitze1: i forget |
| 10:46.25 | MatthiasShalom | thanks |
| 10:46.38 | abrotman | MatthiasShalom: there is an RFP for mariadb packages |
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| 10:47.14 | abrotman | erm, ITP, not RFP |
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| 10:47.30 | MatthiasShalom | abrotman: ITP? |
| 10:47.36 | MatthiasShalom | i will search for it |
| 10:48.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MatthiasShalom about mariadb |
| 10:48.14 | rudi_s | Hi. How can I get a list of all binary packages created by a source package? |
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| 10:48.32 | babilen | rudi_s: Look at its debian/control file |
| 10:48.58 | rudi_s | babilen: Is it possible without downloading the source package? |
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| 10:50.05 | babilen | rudi_s: Yeah, use aptitude to search for packages with that source package -- http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html (hint: search for "source") |
| 10:50.26 | abrotman | rudi_s: http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/php5 is another way |
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| 10:51.21 | rudi_s | babilen: Thanks. I'm trying to get away from aptitude. Is there a dpkg-query/apt-* way? |
| 10:51.43 | babilen | rudi_s: probably, why don't you figure it out yourself? |
| 10:51.45 | rudi_s | abrotman: If the data is available on my machine I'd prefer not to use the network. |
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| 10:52.16 | rudi_s | babilen: I looked at apt-get and dpkg-query and they seem to only allow globs as package names. |
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| 10:52.56 | abrotman | rudi_s: that's fine .. you didn't specify requirements other than not downloading the package |
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| 10:53.45 | babilen | chaing requirements/constraints is such a fun game! |
| 10:53.51 | rudi_s | Ah, found it .. should've read the man page more carefully, apt-cache showsrc. |
| 10:53.59 | rudi_s | babilen, abrotman: Thanks for your help. |
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| 11:00.08 | samuel | cannot find the md5 checksum for debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:00.27 | samuel | I only find the checksums for eighter the i386 or mad64 |
| 11:00.35 | samuel | *amd64 |
| 11:00.51 | xand | amd64-i386... what on earth is that |
| 11:01.03 | abrotman | xand: dual-arch .. squeeze had it too |
| 11:01.16 | abrotman | xand: you can install i386 or amd64 with it |
| 11:01.26 | samuel | its what you get when downloading from the main website of debian |
| 11:01.30 | xand | b2a3152a0f50c3d119d900de8907ee4a debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:01.34 | samuel | it contains both |
| 11:01.49 | xand | I see |
| 11:01.49 | samuel | thanks |
| 11:01.51 | abrotman | samuel: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 11:02.17 | samuel | ah ok thansk, have been looking for this for a while |
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| 11:02.29 | abrotman | it was there the whole time .. |
| 11:02.51 | babilen | It's always in the same directory were the images are |
| 11:03.09 | babilen | *where |
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| 11:03.51 | samuel | gotta remind the name multiarch ;) |
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| 11:04.29 | babilen | … bacause there aren't enough ambigious terms in Debian-land already |
| 11:05.15 | abrotman | this is multi-arch, not multiarch :) |
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| 11:06.14 | DarsVaeda | how do I terminate an apt-get process? |
| 11:06.29 | babilen | oh yeah ... you are right. It's really not as confusing as wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates and … |
| 11:06.41 | babilen | DarsVaeda: Wait for it to finish … |
| 11:06.49 | DarsVaeda | it hangs it seems |
| 11:07.01 | abrotman | hangs doing what? |
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| 11:07.11 | DarsVaeda | triggered a download but this is not proceeding |
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| 11:07.33 | abrotman | stalled where? |
| 11:07.34 | DarsVaeda | but can't do cmd+c |
| 11:07.37 | abrotman | how about using a pastebin to show us? |
| 11:07.42 | babilen | DarsVaeda: In that case provide more details please. What exactly are you doing, which command did you give it and what was its output ... Paste your command and its output along with your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:11.16 | DarsVaeda | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/99ea277a/ I just need to cancel it... |
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| 11:12.18 | thechef | Hi |
| 11:12.20 | abrotman | DarsVaeda: you do realize mixing Debian and Ubuntu PPAs will probably break your computer? |
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| 11:12.36 | i4c | hi, how can i change my system language with gui on debian squeeze ? |
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| 11:13.07 | cirrus] | abrotman, how come? |
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| 11:13.33 | DarsVaeda | abrotman: I realize I might not get my question answered here -.- |
| 11:13.33 | boudiccas | frankendebian! |
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| 11:15.25 | abrotman | cirrus]: because they're binary packages made for another Operating System ? |
| 11:15.47 | abrotman | and made by random people |
| 11:16.02 | cirrus] | abrotman, another system? both use Linux, both use .deb packages |
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| 11:16.33 | abrotman | cirrus]: yeah, and they also have thousands of other differences |
| 11:16.47 | Viliny | hello! |
| 11:16.48 | abrotman | cirrus]: do what you want on your own system, it's not recommended, and usually breaks |
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| 11:17.03 | cirrus] | abrotman, could you give me one? I don't attack you, I'm just curious |
| 11:17.05 | Nik05 | Congratulations everybody!!! :D |
| 11:17.09 | Viliny | is there any way to define which connection belongs to which interface in the debian network manager configuration? |
| 11:17.11 | Viliny | i can't find it |
| 11:17.26 | abrotman | cirrus]: of the thousand differences? |
| 11:17.36 | cirrus] | yes, just one |
| 11:17.44 | abrotman | cirrus]: go look at Ubuntu changelogs ... i'm not doing your research |
| 11:18.23 | cirrus] | abrotman, I thought that if you're saying about thousands of differences you could give me at least one :( |
| 11:18.30 | abrotman | cirrus]: go ask #ubuntu |
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| 11:18.49 | cirrus] | okay, I thought so... |
| 11:18.56 | abrotman | right, you're lazy, it's my fault |
| 11:19.25 | babilen | DarsVaeda: It might have already been pointed out to you: But we neither recommend nor support those packages. The script that hangs is also not supported by us so I can't really tell you what might be a good way to cancel it. You should be able to kill it or cancel it with ctrl-c |
| 11:19.41 | abrotman | Viliny: you mean which network for which interface? |
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| 11:19.52 | Viliny | abrotman, yes |
| 11:20.04 | abrotman | Viliny: are they both up all of the time? |
| 11:20.06 | DarsVaeda | babilen: no I am not able to do that which is why I ask for another way |
| 11:20.11 | babilen | DarsVaeda: On a different note: I would furthermore not recommend to install the Oracle JDK -- The reference implementation of Java7 is OpenJDK which is available in the Debian archives (and installs just fine) |
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| 11:20.18 | invariant | How can I obtain the name of the latest stable release of Debian via a secure channel via an API? |
| 11:20.20 | abrotman | DarsVaeda: ask the person that created it .. clearly not Debian |
| 11:20.28 | Viliny | i have networks "auto eth1 and eth2" that i set up myself to correspond to the interfaces eth0 and eth1 |
| 11:20.41 | Viliny | seems both interfaces take eth1 after boot |
| 11:21.03 | abrotman | Viliny: look through the dmesg output |
| 11:21.03 | DarsVaeda | I wonder why you are so rude? long night? :) |
| 11:21.14 | babilen | DarsVaeda: There is, however, no way to install a java8 JDK at the moment, but that shouldn't take too long to make it into testing/unstable or backports. |
| 11:21.21 | abrotman | DarsVaeda: no, you broke your system with packages from non-Debian sources .. they're not supported here |
| 11:21.29 | invariant | Viliny: the order for eth1 and 2 is not defined. You know that, right? |
| 11:21.44 | Viliny | abrotman: i can switch it with a simple click in the applet |
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| 11:21.54 | abrotman | Viliny: the interfaces should be managed by udev |
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| 11:22.01 | Viliny | invariant: yes, i knows it isn't, i was wondering if i can even do that |
| 11:22.09 | abrotman | Viliny: so if they get probed in the wrong order, udev will rename them |
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| 11:22.52 | Viliny | maybe i need to backtrack a little and reveal that i made this particular debian machine into a router, im now writing you from another computer behind the debian machine in question |
| 11:22.59 | invariant | Viliny: you have to write udev rules to name the devices correctly. |
| 11:23.17 | Viliny | i ran into problem while defining the connections in interfaces so i did a dirty connection manager fix and that worked |
| 11:23.24 | Viliny | so i stopped there since i was tired |
| 11:23.27 | abrotman | invariant: no, he doesn't |
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| 11:23.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell Viliny about 70 |
| 11:23.51 | abrotman | Viliny: if it's a router, you should really do the connection management in the interfaces file |
| 11:23.57 | babilen | +1 |
| 11:24.09 | invariant | abrotman: where is the mapping established to provide stable names then? |
| 11:24.11 | Viliny | abrotman: i agree |
| 11:24.29 | abrotman | invariant: seriously? do you even use Debian? |
| 11:24.58 | abrotman | invariant: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 11:25.06 | invariant | abrotman: I setup usb networking in Debian and due to the hotplugging, I had to do this. |
| 11:25.19 | abrotman | invariant: i'm going with PEBKAC |
| 11:25.32 | invariant | abrotman: you are rather aggressive. |
| 11:25.45 | abrotman | invariant: you are rather ... |
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| 11:26.12 | Viliny | babilen: my nics seem to be correctly assigned to their names |
| 11:26.29 | Viliny | babilen: my problem was the network manager not knowing which set of setup to apply to which interface |
| 11:26.33 | boudiccas | invariant: abrotman is also very good at support too, so don't piss him off! :) |
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| 11:26.42 | invariant | abrotman: /lib/udev/write_net_rules is the program supposedly making the mapping. |
| 11:26.43 | jordisayol | In the Control file at amd64 deb package, why in "Depends:" field is not allowed "libfoo:i386"? |
| 11:26.44 | abrotman | Viliny: you really should do this in the interfaces file |
| 11:26.47 | babilen | Viliny: okay - I wasn't really following the entire discussion, but wanted to point out this file as it defines the name->mac mapping |
| 11:27.03 | invariant | abrotman: this doesn't say what stable mapping it provides. |
| 11:27.21 | abrotman | invariant: i'm going to let you ramble some more .. good luck |
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| 11:27.52 | abrotman | jordisayol: is libfoo not package for amd64? |
| 11:27.54 | Viliny | abrotman: yeah i know, im just afraid to make things to not work again :) this isn't anything new for me either, i make a router machine at home every 1-2 years but something was different this time around and something with dns setup failed for me :( |
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| 11:28.00 | invariant | abrotman: what are you doing here other than presenting yourself to be a royal dick? |
| 11:28.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jordisayol about mentors |
| 11:28.21 | abrotman | invariant: i haven't called you any names, please don't call me names |
| 11:28.23 | STMelon | invariant: abrotman is a hlper here |
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| 11:28.31 | STMelon | and a very good helper here |
| 11:28.47 | invariant | If there is anyone who thinks abrotman's behaviour is reasonable in his conversation with me, please raise hands. |
| 11:28.57 | abrotman | raises his hands |
| 11:29.01 | abrotman | \o/ |
| 11:29.05 | STMelon | high 5's abrotman |
| 11:29.05 | mumpitze1 | invariant: you are a moron |
| 11:29.16 | abrotman | easy now, please don't call each other names |
| 11:29.25 | invariant | Are you all socially retarded or what? |
| 11:29.35 | dutchfish | invariant, in case you didnt get it, we are all volunteers .... |
| 11:29.35 | abrotman | invariant: last warning, don't do that again |
| 11:29.43 | Viliny | anyhoo, if i'd delve back in to interfaces, would you mind helping me if i ran into problems? |
| 11:29.53 | babilen | invariant: Please drop it and lets concentrate on tech support. Your behaviour has, IIRC, not been flawless in the past as well and I would strongly prefer if you wouldn't call users in this channel "a royal dick" |
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| 11:30.19 | STMelon | calls abrotman a ROYAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:30.19 | mumpitze1 | Viliny: usually, that's what we are here for |
| 11:30.21 | STMelon | helper! |
| 11:30.25 | abrotman | Viliny: the netfilter.org has decent docs on creating a router .. your first goal is getting interfaces set correctly, then using iptables to create the NAT setup |
| 11:30.26 | invariant | dutchfish: volunteers in a relieve center for homeless people don't call the homeless people a moron. |
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| 11:30.39 | abrotman | invariant: please stop |
| 11:30.52 | revlo | hi this may sound stupid, but I am curious, when I do an aptitude search <packagename> and it is not installen, the symbol in the first colum is p (i if its installed), what does the p there stand for? prepared? |
| 11:31.03 | abrotman | revlo: purged I would think |
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| 11:31.09 | abrotman | !tell revlo about aptitude states |
| 11:31.10 | invariant | abrotman: how about you just tell me the contract provided by that names script? |
| 11:31.13 | mumpitze1 | invariant: the homeless people hopefully don't call the helpers dicks either. very stupid of them when they do. usually the homeless people have mental disorders tho. what's your excuse? |
| 11:31.15 | basso | in debian 7, does fullscreen flash on chrome show the topbar in gnome-shell? |
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| 11:31.32 | invariant | mumpitze1: you should try to learn to read. |
| 11:31.34 | abrotman | watches more rambling |
| 11:31.47 | babilen | invariant: Drop it. Now. |
| 11:32.14 | invariant | I asked two questions and none of them have been answered. Where is this socalled support you are providing? |
| 11:32.58 | invariant | All I am hearing is that I am a moron, but I am starting to think you are just not capable of answering my questions. |
| 11:32.58 | invariant | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.00 | Viliny | don't think this channel attends to attitude problems |
| 11:33.25 | invariant | I asked two technical questions and all I get back is that I am a moron. |
| 11:33.26 | Viliny | do you guys have a preference on pasting websites if i show you my interfaces? |
| 11:33.28 | babilen | invariant: I can see one (get the name, don't really understand what you mean by "secure channel" in this context) -- What's the second? |
| 11:33.34 | abrotman | Viliny: paste.debian.net please |
| 11:33.38 | invariant | Who is the one with the attitude problems here? |
| 11:33.39 | mumpitze1 | Viliny: paste.debian.net. |
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| 11:33.59 | invariant | babilen: the other one is what stable names are provided. |
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| 11:34.30 | Viliny | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/2198/ |
| 11:34.31 | invariant | babilen: a secure channel is something widely understood by pretty much everyone who knows anything about computing. |
| 11:34.34 | Viliny | it is commented on purpose |
| 11:34.42 | abrotman | babilen: i think he's insulting you |
| 11:34.47 | debianN00b | wow debian 7 stable released !!! |
| 11:35.04 | invariant | abrotman: go to your Mommy. |
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| 11:35.13 | abrotman | Viliny: so, you'd have to tell your dhcp client for eth0 to not alter the default gateway |
| 11:35.14 | STMelon | SMELLS A BAN |
| 11:35.15 | mumpitze1 | Viliny: what's the problem you have? |
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| 11:35.21 | STMelon | opps sorry 4 caps |
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| 11:36.02 | Viliny | it's been a while since... well a week or more since i did that config - but basicly it worked and next reboot i just couldn't get the dns to work on either the router itself or the dhcp clients connected to it |
| 11:36.11 | mumpitze1 | Viliny: as long as the MAC of your interfaces doesn't change, eth0 will always been the same |
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| 11:36.47 | mumpitze1 | what DNS IP did the clients get/use? |
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| 11:36.54 | Viliny | mumpitze1: we've discussed network/interfaces and then the debian applet that manages connections, which of the latter is what i came in here talking about |
| 11:37.20 | Viliny | this is a interfaces i made first and deemed had something wrong in it |
| 11:37.21 | mumpitze1 | why an applet on a router. do you have a GUI on your router? |
| 11:37.35 | Viliny | my router is a full fledged debian machine |
| 11:37.50 | Viliny | im sorry if that wasn't apparent |
| 11:37.58 | mumpitze1 | if both, router and client have DNS resolving issues, I'd look into /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:38.08 | Viliny | which i did and showed me correct one |
| 11:38.19 | mumpitze1 | and nslookup did show what? |
| 11:38.20 | Viliny | based on the dhcp setup my modem gives clients |
| 11:38.34 | abrotman | Viliny: if you're setting one route, then your DHCP grabs another, guess which wins? |
| 11:39.01 | Viliny | modem -> router machine -> switch -> all other devices |
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| 11:39.17 | abrotman | Viliny: so your DHCP is your modem, right ? |
| 11:39.23 | Viliny | no |
| 11:39.30 | abrotman | eth0 is your internal network ? |
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| 11:40.00 | Viliny | the modem comes into eth0 of the debian server and there it continues to eth1 which is static and acts as dhcp for the clients in my inner network |
| 11:40.12 | Viliny | also routing |
| 11:40.33 | Viliny | im writing you via this windows 7 machine behind that beforementioned server right now |
| 11:40.33 | mumpitze1 | eth0 gets a public IP? |
| 11:41.49 | abrotman | Viliny: right, so eth0 is DHCP from your ISP |
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| 11:42.57 | mumpitze1 | Viliny: you using dnsmasq? |
| 11:43.48 | Viliny | yes abrotman |
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| 11:44.13 | abrotman | Viliny: you probably don't want to define a gateway for your eth1 |
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| 11:45.00 | Viliny | oh okay, i also noticed that i can have the applet manage the interfaces connections, is that something you'd recommend? |
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| 11:45.18 | abrotman | not for me .. |
| 11:45.29 | Viliny | okay :) |
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| 11:45.56 | Viliny | so my problem could be that the debian machine tried to... access the interwebs through eth1? so to say in idiotspeak |
| 11:46.22 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 11:47.00 | Viliny | okay, ill try to take on the interfaces file for network now, when i drop and don't come back im probably having problems |
| 11:47.05 | Viliny | thank you for the help! |
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| 11:51.15 | gry | do i need to reboot after a dist-upgrade? |
| 11:51.36 | mumpitze1 | gry: only if you want to run the new kernel |
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| 11:52.36 | hendry | How do I fix this situation for a wheezy upgrade? http://ix.io/5uF |
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| 11:53.42 | twinkie_addict | looking oone sec |
| 11:54.12 | hendry | bbl, SC2 :) |
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| 11:55.08 | twinkie_addict | try apt-get install -f ? |
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| 11:56.19 | abrotman | hendry: apt-get install bash ? |
| 11:56.31 | twinkie_addict | what did you dist-upgrade from to get that large of a upgrade |
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| 11:56.49 | twinkie_addict | sqeeze ? |
| 11:57.05 | abrotman | twinkie_addict: /topic |
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| 11:57.38 | Viliny | hey hey |
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| 11:57.48 | twinkie_addict | i swa the topic wheezt is out i was refering to the qwestion |
| 11:58.04 | Viliny | so i made the interfaces file take over, now my eth0 somehow gets it's ip from the eth1 dhcp server, im confused |
| 11:58.05 | twinkie_addict | im on wheezy |
| 11:58.12 | Viliny | abrotman: still here? |
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| 11:58.50 | omid8bimo | can someone gimme a trick on how to call a wget several times at the same time? |
| 11:59.00 | abrotman | Viliny: sure |
| 11:59.10 | abrotman | Viliny: wait what? |
| 11:59.24 | abrotman | omid8bimo: look at the -b option to background it |
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| 12:00.02 | abrotman | Viliny: that would mean that your ethernet cards are all plugged into the same switch ? |
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| 12:02.50 | me-1 | hi...I dont have optical drive so how can I make debian 7 installation USB stick. with windows 7 |
| 12:03.15 | dutchfish | omid8bimo, wget can do recursives fyi, all calls to wget are sequential |
| 12:03.15 | nohitall | me-1: pendrivelinux installer, unetbootin installer |
| 12:03.32 | twinkie_addict | dd for windows |
| 12:03.34 | omid8bimo | dutchfish: what do you mean? |
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| 12:03.52 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: unetbootin might work for qheezy now, but for squeeze it never worked right. I don't suggest mentioning it for debian |
| 12:04.08 | abrotman | eh? |
| 12:04.14 | nohitall | mumpitze1: try and error |
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| 12:04.25 | me-1 | nohitall, IMO pendrivelinux works for live cds only..? |
| 12:04.44 | nohitall | me-1: no, always used pendrive or unetbootin |
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| 12:05.36 | irony | What are the long-term plans for systemd? Requiring it and removing sysvinit? |
| 12:05.59 | abrotman | irony: no plans as of yet |
| 12:06.04 | abrotman | !tell irony about systemd |
| 12:06.12 | Viliny | abrotman: they aren't :/ |
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| 12:06.30 | abrotman | Viliny: i don't see how your eth0 would get a request from eth1 unless they shar ethe same physical network ? |
| 12:06.44 | Viliny | abrotman: im really puzzled as well |
| 12:06.54 | nohitall | can someone confirm the installer problem in vbox, that the install fails when GDE is installed? |
| 12:07.00 | abrotman | Viliny: are you sure that's where the IP is coming from ? |
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| 12:07.04 | monzie | Hello everyone |
| 12:07.10 | abrotman | nohitall: aptitude install virtualbox ? |
| 12:07.11 | irony | abrotman: I see. Thanks. |
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| 12:08.18 | nohitall | abrotman: no I mean installing 7.0 in vbox, installation always fails for me |
| 12:08.29 | monzie | I am excited to see 7.0 getting released. I have a netbook ( Lenovo IdeaPad S110 ) which currently runs Ubuntu. The Intel graphics card on my machine requires the Cedar Trail drivers |
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| 12:08.54 | monzie | I want to know if these drivers are available in Debian 7.0 ( I want to use Debian on my laptop ) |
| 12:09.07 | nohitall | monzie: kernel 3.2 |
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| 12:09.08 | Viliny | abrotman: it seems to receive an 192.1.1.XX client range ip from eth0 which is connected to the switch that is now completely managed by my modem and isp dhcp |
| 12:09.11 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: fails how? no opengl support for gnome3? |
| 12:09.18 | Viliny | even with eth1 unplugged that is |
| 12:09.34 | monzie | nohitall, meaning it is supported ? |
| 12:09.58 | nohitall | mumpitze1: I dont know what the problem is, it fails while installation, not sure if its gnome |
| 12:10.01 | Haodemon | Anyone got kernel from experimental to work? |
| 12:10.19 | mumpitze1 | Haodemon: tell us your error |
| 12:10.22 | nohitall | monzie: well u gotta check |
| 12:10.32 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: which step of the installation exactly is failing? |
| 12:10.48 | Haodemon | Can"t install nvidia blod |
| 12:10.56 | Haodemon | Fail all the time |
| 12:11.07 | Haodemon | Blob |
| 12:11.14 | monzie | nohitall, ok. |
| 12:11.17 | mumpitze1 | are the kernel headers installed too? |
| 12:11.25 | nohitall | mumpitze1: the part when u can choose which software you want to install |
| 12:11.28 | mumpitze1 | and if so, nvidia.com installer or debian package(s) for dkms? |
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| 12:11.39 | nohitall | mumpitze1: and I always chcked for desktop environment, and it failed |
| 12:11.42 | Haodemon | Saying what some module is cant be unloaded |
| 12:11.48 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: sounds like a lack of internet connection for the VM? |
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| 12:12.08 | nohitall | no.. |
| 12:12.08 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: use a lxde or xfce installer |
| 12:12.15 | nohitall | I tried lxde iso too |
| 12:12.16 | Haodemon | Nvidia installer from nvidia.com |
| 12:12.16 | nohitall | same |
| 12:12.23 | mumpitze1 | Haodemon: unsupported here |
| 12:12.24 | nohitall | its a setup bug |
| 12:12.30 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: which error? |
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| 12:12.54 | mumpitze1 | !tell Haodemon why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 12:12.55 | abrotman | Viliny: is it possible your ISP gives out that range? |
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| 12:13.04 | Haodemon | Thank you, mumpitze1 |
| 12:13.21 | mumpitze1 | seems dpkg doesn't want to message you. /msg dpkg why nvidia-installer sucks instead |
| 12:13.23 | Viliny | abrotman: no chance - it's around the 80.160.xxx.xxx ranges |
| 12:13.24 | nohitall | mumpitze1: fails while installation, couldnt complete blabla |
| 12:13.35 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: there is the actual error before that |
| 12:13.49 | Viliny | abrotman: seems my dhcp server on this machine is serving itself on interface eth0 |
| 12:13.50 | nohitall | well all I know is that install without desktop is working |
| 12:13.58 | nohitall | and with setup breaks |
| 12:14.00 | lokote_jones | Good morning all. I have tried to install different games last night (linux native) and they all fail out with missing dependencies. Googling says these dependencies are fairly new but available in ubuntu. Any way I can use ubuntu repositories in debian or something to allow me to play games? |
| 12:14.03 | abrotman | Viliny: is this router currently active? |
| 12:14.05 | Haodemon | Sorry, got to go, thank you again |
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| 12:14.23 | abrotman | lokote_jones: not recommended, it'll probably break, but we can't stop you |
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| 12:14.33 | Viliny | abrotman: no, i bypassed it |
| 12:14.39 | lokote_jones | I cant really afford to break my system abrotman. |
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| 12:14.54 | Viliny | abrotman: modem -> switch -> all devices including the servers eth0 for troubleshooting |
| 12:14.55 | mumpitze1 | lokote_jones: what dependencies? there might be other ways |
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| 12:15.08 | lokote_jones | libgcc versions mumpitzel. |
| 12:15.16 | lokote_jones | I also tried wine; but that was a disaster. |
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| 12:16.18 | abrotman | Viliny: oh .. you might actually have to put it in the middle like it hsould be .. not sure your ISP will give you more than one IP |
| 12:16.45 | nohitall | mumpitze1: I ll screenshot it |
| 12:16.56 | apm1 | how do i enable tap to click on wheezy xfce ? |
| 12:17.20 | abrotman | !tell apm1 about synaptics |
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| 12:17.39 | Viliny | abrotman: i think they might give out upto 5 ip's, thats kinds why im doing this - i have around 9 devices at home and problems usually start at the fifth |
| 12:18.29 | abrotman | Viliny: so, only plugin your eth0, try to get a DHCP address |
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| 12:18.53 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 12:19.00 | Viliny | abrotman: thats what im doing right now, but it still seems to get an address that my eth1 is handing out in normal circumstances |
| 12:19.09 | Viliny | i decided to reboot it |
| 12:19.19 | rindolf | The /topic is wrong "wheezy has released" should be "wheezy has been released" |
| 12:19.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:19.21 | mumpitze1 | and dnsmasq is a good LAN side program to provide both, DHCP and DNS for a NAT LAN. |
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| 12:19.43 | rindolf | The /topic is wrong: "wheezy has released" should be "wheezy has been released" |
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| 12:20.09 | Viliny | abrotman: after the reboot it is now getting the ip from the isp |
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| 12:21.07 | abrotman | Viliny: feel better? |
| 12:21.18 | abrotman | rindolf: so fix it, jeez |
| 12:21.51 | Viliny | abrotman: a lot, let me check if the rest works ok... |
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| 12:22.24 | rindolf | abrotman: I cannot fix the /topic here - I'm not an op. |
| 12:22.31 | abrotman | oh |
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| 12:24.02 | rindolf | Congratulations for the new release. |
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| 12:24.52 | mumpitze1 | nohitall: did you use the netinst image? |
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| 12:25.09 | nohitall | no, I used the cd1 and the lxde, but gimme a sec, I ll get u a screeni |
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| 12:25.19 | Viliny_ | SUCCESS!! |
| 12:25.26 | Viliny_ | thank you abrotman :) |
| 12:25.29 | mumpitze1 | time to install debian into vbox here anyways :) |
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| 12:27.04 | abrotman | Viliny: enjoy |
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| 12:28.11 | nohitall | oh yea |
| 12:28.21 | nohitall | gnome install failed too via simple apt-get install |
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| 12:28.48 | abrotman | what? |
| 12:29.48 | nohitall | http://abload.de/img/cliawzlp.png <-- gnome fail |
| 12:30.14 | nohitall | ah nevermind |
| 12:30.15 | mumpitze1 | "no space left on device" |
| 12:30.15 | nohitall | my fault |
| 12:30.20 | nohitall | cant be.. |
| 12:30.25 | nohitall | got 12gb |
| 12:31.01 | blubberdiblub | if it's not out of blocks, it might be out of inodes |
| 12:31.31 | metaphysician | nohitall: ]$ df -i |
| 12:31.35 | nohitall | well ok ignore tht one, next problem comes in a sec lol |
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| 12:32.06 | nohitall | metaphysician: inodes 161280, used 76863, Use% 48% |
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| 12:33.24 | Viliny | abrotman: a quick question -> i was trying to install a singstar like game on my debian machine (for my girlfriend and her friends) but the only .deb they had made was for ubuntu. I tried it anyways and ran into non-satisfiable dependencies with libavcodec-52 or similar and found out the right version was found in debians sid repo - after some tinkering adding sources i finally broke that... |
| 12:33.26 | Viliny | ...debian install once again |
| 12:33.29 | Viliny | thoughts? |
| 12:34.09 | blubberdiblub | Viliny, "performous" is a sing star like game available on debian |
| 12:34.30 | blubberdiblub | Viliny, it should be able to read ultrastar data, afaik |
| 12:34.33 | Viliny | blubberdiblub: do you have any experience with it and how easy it is to find songs for it? |
| 12:34.40 | Viliny | oh cool |
| 12:35.04 | Viliny | this was ultrastar deluxe, which i failed to mention |
| 12:35.33 | nohitall | so now its "select and instll software" and in a sec it will break again.. |
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| 12:36.20 | [sr] | guys, what does udev need in kernel to work? i'm having a address family not found with 3.9, vanilla compiled |
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| 12:37.33 | nohitall | is there somehow a log function while the software install? |
| 12:37.40 | nohitall | I'd like to know where it breaks |
| 12:37.51 | abrotman | it should show you on the screen |
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| 12:38.09 | nohitall | well I ll screenshot it, should happen any moment lol |
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| 12:38.49 | hellyeah | is there someone who has ralink 11n wireless adapter |
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| 12:41.30 | nohitall | so here |
| 12:41.38 | nohitall | http://abload.de/img/failbve6d.png <-- thats all I get everytime |
| 12:41.51 | Towzzer | go to another console and check the log |
| 12:41.51 | nohitall | doesnt matter if graphical installer or not, doesnt matter which iso |
| 12:42.24 | nohitall | Towzzer: shell and then? how do I access log |
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| 12:43.29 | penguin42 | congrats on the release |
| 12:43.46 | penguin42 | can someone tell packages.d.o about wheezy=stable |
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| 12:43.49 | Terminus | nohitall: try ctrl+alt+f4. log should be in one of those terminals. |
| 12:44.13 | nohitall | kinda scared I ll shoot down my host lol |
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| 12:45.29 | Terminus | that screenshot just informed me that debian has a GUI installer now. XD |
| 12:45.59 | nohitall | its not new lol. but same problem in cli installer |
| 12:46.38 | Terminus | i've used nothing but network installs since woody so i never kept up with the standard cd installers. =) |
| 12:47.06 | nohitall | ah got it sec |
| 12:47.08 | terr1 | where does aptitude download packagename, download the file to? |
| 12:47.38 | Terminus | terr1: try /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:47.52 | nohitall | lol same problem |
| 12:47.55 | nohitall | no space left |
| 12:48.09 | Terminus | terr1: oops... manpage says current dir. |
| 12:48.18 | abrotman | nohitall: in /tmp/ ? |
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| 12:48.31 | nohitall | on device.. |
| 12:48.34 | nohitall | I gave it 20gb |
| 12:48.37 | terr1 | Terminus: ah k thank.. I checked the other dir.. didnt think of man doh |
| 12:48.39 | nohitall | maybe its a vbox problem dunno |
| 12:49.16 | abrotman | nohitall: in /tmp/ ? |
| 12:49.20 | Terminus | strange. i just installed wheezy on a 20gb vm 3 hours ago. |
| 12:49.29 | nohitall | vbox? v? |
| 12:49.36 | Terminus | vmware. |
| 12:49.46 | nohitall | well I guess its vbox problem then |
| 12:49.49 | nohitall | doesnt make sense though |
| 12:49.59 | nohitall | I bet I have the same problem in netinstall |
| 12:50.02 | abrotman | guess i'll keep asking |
| 12:50.13 | nohitall | abrotman: what u mean with "in tmp?" |
| 12:50.35 | abrotman | what is 'u'? |
| 12:50.46 | nohitall | you.. |
| 12:51.05 | nohitall | it has enough space, install fails because of "no space left" |
| 12:51.12 | abrotman | pastebin your df -h |
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| 12:52.27 | nohitall | yea sec, I try somethnig |
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| 13:01.52 | hendry | abrotman: http://ix.io/5uI is the issue i have |
| 13:02.44 | abrotman | hendry: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 13:05.09 | hendry | abrotman: http://ix.io/5uJ |
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| 13:05.41 | flo` | hi |
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| 13:06.09 | abrotman | hendry: so, pastebin the full output of "apt-get update;apt-get install bash" |
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| 13:07.10 | halfie | is PIE used by default in latest Debian releases? |
| 13:07.14 | flo` | i'm running a non-productivity, testing server (which has a public IP and hostname, however) under debian wheezy. now that wheezy became stable, should i rather track wheezy now, or testing? |
| 13:07.27 | jsonlee | when using getmail, will getmail default retrieve the same mail ? command used is getmail -r ~/.getmail/mail.conf |
| 13:07.30 | hendry | abrotman: http://ix.io/5uL |
| 13:08.10 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 13:08.11 | dpkg | IT'S OUT! http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 |
| 13:08.16 | dvs | yay! |
| 13:08.47 | abrotman | hendry: did you install packages from unstable at some point? |
| 13:09.06 | hendry | abrotman: i might have done ... |
| 13:09.14 | abrotman | hendry: not a great plan |
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| 13:09.44 | hendry | am i stuck? |
| 13:10.00 | abrotman | hendry: you'll probably have to work this out with aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 13:10.19 | themill | ahh.. the old i386 fun |
| 13:10.29 | themill | hendry: do you have "build-essential" installed? |
| 13:10.34 | abrotman | flo`: wheezy |
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| 13:10.45 | Terminus | flo`: i'd stay with wheezy, at least until jessie calms down. i'd stick with wheezy if there's really no reason to upgrade to jessie though. |
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| 13:16.26 | nohitall | well it looks like that debian install fails as long as the space is <10gb.. |
| 13:16.35 | nohitall | I now tested with 30 and it worked |
| 13:16.40 | abrotman | nohitall: that's not true |
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| 13:17.07 | nohitall | well that is what I experienced so far.. |
| 13:17.16 | nohitall | always failed for "no space left" |
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| 13:17.21 | cantoma | 7.0 released |
| 13:17.23 | cantoma | so quick |
| 13:17.25 | abrotman | i have wheezy installed on a system with only 8GB HDD |
| 13:17.25 | cantoma | :o |
| 13:17.33 | abrotman | nohitall: so clearly it's something you've done |
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| 13:17.43 | nohitall | hm gnome3 failback hehe |
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| 13:17.54 | nohitall | abrotman: ok let me test again with 8gb, I bet you it will fail ;P |
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| 13:18.03 | hendry | abrotman: right, i think aptitude has got a solution |
| 13:18.13 | themill | hendry: can you pastebin it for us? |
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| 13:18.31 | abrotman | nohitall: i bet i can do it and it won't |
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| 13:18.40 | blubberdiblub | nohitall, you still owe us the complete output of "df" and "df -i" right when it fails |
| 13:18.54 | cantoma | so guys, for how long I should keep squeeze |
| 13:18.58 | nohitall | yea wait I setup a new with 8gb |
| 13:19.13 | cantoma | and if I do upgrade .. is it straight forward? |
| 13:19.49 | hendry | themill: abrotman http://ix.io/5uM if you must |
| 13:19.54 | abrotman | cantoma: depends |
| 13:20.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cantoma about squeeze->wheezy |
| 13:21.02 | themill | hendry: how bizarre. "aptitude -f install" shouldn't really do anything to your system in the state it was in. |
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| 13:21.31 | cantoma | abrotman, is there a link for the <squeeze->wheezy failures> |
| 13:21.36 | Marko_ | apt-get remove empathy removes gnome core, in addition autoreove wants to remove all of gnome. can anyone explain this to me? |
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| 13:21.46 | hendry | themill: this isa server, so I wonder why i have so much gnome crapware on it |
| 13:21.48 | abrotman | cantoma: in the bot, yes |
| 13:21.57 | abrotman | !tell Marko_ about metapackage |
| 13:22.02 | themill | hendry: yeah... quite |
| 13:22.04 | abrotman | hendry: you installed it ? |
| 13:22.12 | cantoma | abrotman, so how can i ask the bot about it? |
| 13:22.27 | abrotman | cantoma: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 13:22.39 | Marko_ | but on Ubuntu it does not behave this wasy. how can there be this much difference |
| 13:22.41 | hendry | themill: abrotman actually, aptitude didn't solve the problem |
| 13:22.51 | themill | hendry: pastebin? |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | Marko_: they are different operating systems |
| 13:23.04 | cantoma | dpkg: tell cantoma about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cantoma about selftell |
| 13:23.14 | Marko_ | its both apt-get |
| 13:23.25 | abrotman | they're still different operating systems that work differently |
| 13:23.33 | zykotick9 | Marko_: sorry but your wrong, ubuntu relies more on metapackages then debian. and it's the same, removing one item - will remove everything. |
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| 13:24.01 | Marko_ | does this mean on debian i cannot remove a single gnome applcation without remove gnome completely? |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | no, that's not what it means |
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| 13:24.24 | Marko_ | its the result i get |
| 13:24.25 | zykotick9 | Marko_: you can, but it's not really worth the effort... |
| 13:24.36 | Marko_ | omg |
| 13:25.16 | cantoma | abrotman, so can i do the upgrade without turning off anything |
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| 13:25.20 | Trewas | I think ubuntu metapackages use often recommends, avoiding that problem somewhat |
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| 13:25.27 | cantoma | i mean a have a lot of stuff opened |
| 13:25.29 | abrotman | cantoma: doubtful ? that's a vague question though |
| 13:25.43 | abrotman | cantoma: i think it mentions a reboot? |
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| 13:26.14 | cantoma | abrotman, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 13:26.22 | cantoma | there is no reboot mentioned |
| 13:26.23 | themill | Marko_: you can remove lots of different gnome applications very easily, just empathy is considered to be particularly central to gnome so is harder to remove |
| 13:26.50 | Marko_ | i got the same result when removing shotwell |
| 13:27.11 | themill | Marko_: for a different reason. |
| 13:27.24 | themill | (and shotwell is fairly easy to remove if you want to) |
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| 13:27.54 | Marko_ | software-center shows the dependencies that are removed too. I did not expect this |
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| 13:28.13 | themill | dpkg: tell Marko_ about unmarkauto |
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| 13:29.49 | Marko_ | nice one thanks |
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| 13:30.57 | triath | exit |
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| 13:36.14 | Elirips | Hello. [OT] If the wireless at one place is running very fine, but at another place with another access-point I get disconnect every 5-10 minutes, any ideas how to work around? With windows I dont get this disconnects, but with the new wheezy install quite often.. |
| 13:36.30 | Elirips | replace the access point? |
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| 13:37.45 | themill | hendry: what did you get up to with that server? |
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| 13:39.25 | nohitall | blubberdiblub: df and df -h it was? |
| 13:39.44 | abrotman | nohitall: df -h;df -i |
| 13:39.55 | blubberdiblub | nohitall, "df" and "df -i", you can add a -h tho, for easier to read output |
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| 13:40.14 | nohitall | df -i doesnt exist |
| 13:40.26 | blubberdiblub | nohitall, without quotes |
| 13:40.32 | nohitall | yea no shit lol |
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| 13:40.41 | nohitall | Usage: df [-Pkmh] |
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| 13:40.48 | blubberdiblub | that's busybox |
| 13:40.54 | hendry | themill: slowly dist-upgrading with aptitude now |
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| 13:41.06 | nohitall | what was the cmd for the inodes again? |
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| 13:41.14 | themill | hendry: oh ok. Thought you said aptitude had failed too. |
| 13:41.37 | blubberdiblub | nohitall, try "/target/bin/df -i" if the installation is already at that point |
| 13:42.49 | nohitall | blubberdiblub: http://666kb.com/i/cdt9g2rser3h3bv3d.png |
| 13:42.55 | nohitall | 8gb standard vm |
| 13:43.10 | nohitall | crashes, as before, with no space left |
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| 13:43.31 | themill | nohitall: what's supposed to be 8GB about it? |
| 13:43.50 | nohitall | the disc, config is auto |
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| 13:44.14 | abrotman | that's not 8GB |
| 13:44.20 | themill | nohitall: but you're only giving / 2.4GB and then trying to install 4GB of software in it |
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| 13:44.59 | nohitall | 4gb? |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | nohitall: if you're doing 8GB, just use 7.5GB for / and 512MB for swap |
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| 13:45.18 | hendry | themill: i want aptitude -f install, not dist-upgrade :-) |
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| 13:45.41 | gry | good evening from wheezy :) thanks all. |
| 13:45.46 | blubberdiblub | nohitall, i.e. don't use a separate partition for /home |
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| 13:46.29 | nohitall | how much space does gnome take? |
| 13:46.37 | rindolf | !ops |
| 13:46.38 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 13:47.21 | rindolf | dpkg: ops The /topic contains a typo : «wheezy has released:» should be «wheezy has been released» - please fix it. |
| 13:47.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rindolf complains about: The /topic contains a typo : «wheezy has released:» should be «wheezy has been released» - please fix it. |
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| 13:51.33 | hendry | themill: wow, kicks still happen? |
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| 13:53.08 | hendry | themill: seems a tad anti-social |
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| 13:54.20 | nu1x | oh |
| 13:54.34 | nu1x | sorry, i thought iwas kicked; |
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| 13:54.58 | abrotman | hendry: yes, kicks still happen |
| 13:55.11 | DLange | he was right on the grammar issue... has -> {is|was} |
| 13:55.35 | themill | sure. That doesn't require making every op who is online suddenly race to the keyboard |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | hendry: that command shouldn't be used to summon ops to correct a grammatical issue in a topic that has limited space |
| 13:56.07 | hendry | abrotman: so themill then kicks the guy? |
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| 13:56.32 | abrotman | hendry: how many times should we let him do that then? |
| 13:56.41 | themill | hendry: dpkg told him not to misuse !ops. EOD. |
| 13:56.43 | abrotman | hendry: twice? four? 10 times? |
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| 13:57.11 | abrotman | hendry: i wouldn't worry about it, i'm sure themill will talk to the fellow and get it worked out |
| 13:57.31 | hendry | abrotman: rindolf was trying to be helpful |
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| 13:57.48 | hendry | and you've shown what an asshole you are |
| 13:57.51 | abrotman | hendry: or pedantic |
| 13:57.51 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> wheezy (7.0) released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ |
| 13:57.51 | gtklocker | hello; I want to download an iso and verify it... to do that I'd need to import some of the keys mentioned on debian's HTTP site; how do I know they really are trustworthy though? |
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| 13:58.02 | abrotman | hendry: do not call people names, that's uncalled for |
| 13:58.16 | themill | hendry: umm... I thought we'd just spent about an hour of our weekend help you here. |
| 13:58.18 | abrotman | hendry: take a timeout, we'll work on your issue when you're back |
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| 14:03.51 | boingolov | gtklocker: ultimately you're going to have to take it on faith, at least once. or you could buy one |
| 14:03.55 | hacfi | Hi there |
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| 14:04.38 | boingolov | gtklocker: that being said, the sums are listed on multiple official mirrors |
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| 14:05.19 | hacfi | I've been using Debian squeeze with openvz until now and I'm going to upgrade my servers to wheezy now.....should I stick with openvz or should I use LXC or something else? |
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| 14:07.09 | MagnusO | Hi |
| 14:07.34 | MagnusO | Does anyone have experiens with dlna server or some other media server ? |
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| 14:07.49 | xzcvczx | MagnusO: whats the problem? |
| 14:07.51 | waynr | howdy fols |
| 14:07.56 | waynr | folks* |
| 14:08.05 | waynr | i am trying to remove gnome3 from my debian wheezy install |
| 14:08.12 | MagnusO | I need found one that is stable and work nice |
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| 14:08.32 | waynr | but the aptitute tui keeps suggesting that all the packages i marked to be purged as keeps |
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| 14:09.22 | waynr | anyone have suggestions for how to successfully remove gnome* (except libraries that might be required for other programs)? |
| 14:09.26 | ompaul | hacfi: if it was me I'd use kvm lots of documentation - hopefully your hardware supports virtualisation, even if it is switched off in the bios |
| 14:09.27 | xzcvczx | MagnusO: what are you streaming to? |
| 14:09.32 | roll | anyone else downloading 7 with the torrent? i'm only getting 8 peers and 25kB/s ... has taken about 2 hours or so to get it to the 37% it's at right now with an estimated 3-4 hours left |
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| 14:09.52 | Terminus | waynr: tried setting Aptitude::Purge-Unused "true"; and then aptitude purge task-desktop? |
| 14:09.52 | hacfi | ompaul: thanks..are there any limitations? |
| 14:09.57 | caravel | gtklocker: typically, you'd also use `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sig` and as required, import the key ID that shows up using `gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys ...` |
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| 14:10.19 | ompaul | hacfi: the amount of work you put in increases the amount of services other than physics no |
| 14:10.31 | Terminus | waynr: the purge setting goes in ~/.aptitude/config |
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| 14:10.41 | hacfi | ompaul: using openvz I had some problems with mongo 2.4 because of open files limit or memory..could this be an issue with kvm too? |
| 14:10.41 | ChibaPet_ | ompaul and hacfi: Note that KVM is different. It's full virtualization, where LXC and OpenVZ are container/jail technologies with a lot less overhead. |
| 14:10.44 | caravel | gtklocker: that's still not "absolute" (until you get your own chain of trust till that key), but that reduces the risk I suppose |
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| 14:11.07 | h00ked | I have a dilemma. I have Lenovo Ideacentre Q180 with Atom CPU and Radeon mobility HD GPU. Its a desktop PC, but mobility GPU, so mobility = notebook type of drivers right? |
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| 14:11.16 | ompaul | hacfi: unless what ChibaPet_ said - but if your hardware does the business way to go |
| 14:11.26 | hacfi | alright |
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| 14:11.35 | caravel | gtklocker: then to go deeper, attend some key signing parties... |
| 14:11.40 | ChibaPet_ | Oh, it gave me an underscore. BRB. |
| 14:11.41 | Terminus | h00ked: most likely yes. can't use the open source drivers? |
| 14:11.47 | hacfi | thanks for your answers... ompaul & ChibaPet_ - I think I'm just going to play around with it and find out :) |
| 14:11.49 | h00ked | that not works |
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| 14:12.04 | ChibaPet | Begone, foul underscore. |
| 14:12.06 | h00ked | only proprietary BETA drivers... |
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| 14:12.20 | Terminus | h00ked: what gpu model? |
| 14:12.27 | h00ked | mobility HD 6450 |
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| 14:13.36 | waynr | Terminus: i added Aptitude::Purge-Unused "true"; and aptitude purge task-desktop but did not wor |
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| 14:14.06 | ChibaPet | ompaul: Can KVM use a piggybacked-kernel mode, so to speak? I'd be more interested in it myself if I didn't feel like I was going to be burning lots of cycles duplicating internal kernel bits. |
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| 14:14.34 | ChibaPet | ompaul: The use case I'm examining at the moment seems perfect for containers/jails - identical kernel is fine. |
| 14:15.33 | ChibaPet | ompaul: The other intriguing bit at the moment is the notion of using whatever Linux offers that's equivalent to overlay filesystems. |
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| 14:16.56 | h00ked | Terminus: in fact - open source driver works, but Gnome-shell no. It needs proprietary |
| 14:17.01 | blubberdiblub | waynr, you can work your way through the resolver suggestions of the TUI. start by pressing e to get the first suggestion. if you don't like it, try marking one of the lines of the solution that are particularly bad by moving to that line and pressing "r" (for reject), then press "." for the next solution. repeat until it suggests the correct solution, then accept the solution with "!" |
| 14:17.13 | ompaul | ChibaPet: chroot will do for jails if you feel the need you could chroot the box that has the kvm running ... but stats on what you are asking never seen |
| 14:17.42 | ompaul | ChibaPet: everything is resource hungry to some extent |
| 14:17.48 | ChibaPet | ompaul: Well, but the other bit with jails gives you an isolated process space and distinct networking. I like that part too. |
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| 14:18.20 | ompaul | ChibaPet: what I have yet to see is a report of someone in a kvm breaking into the host |
| 14:18.29 | waynr | blubberdiblub: if i try to reject "gnome-session" i get "No more solutions" |
| 14:18.39 | Terminus | h00ked: ah... unfortunately, i can't find any info about northern islands support on wheezy. =| |
| 14:18.45 | ChibaPet | I might bite the bullet and look into running OpenVZ-specific kernels for the purpose, as you get some bells and whistles there. Not sure yet. LXC is coming along nicely too, so it's an interesting decision on what to use. |
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| 14:19.14 | ChibaPet | ompaul: Oh, yeah, the KVM is notionally stronger that way, but enough LXC stuff is being pushed into the mainline kernel that that gap is being closed. |
| 14:19.32 | h00ked | Terminus: its a long time problem with this ideacentre q180. Only Ubuntu 11.04 works well. but its.... its ubuntu :D |
| 14:19.37 | waynr | hmm xinit depends on gnome-session |
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| 14:20.10 | blubberdiblub | waynr, well you should think of the lines to reject as actions to reject, not as packages to reject. if the line says "gnome-session - uninstall" or something to that effect, don't reject it |
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| 14:20.21 | h00ked | Terminus: i found one topic long time ago, there is problem with combine of Atom and AMD... |
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| 14:20.29 | ChibaPet | In *my* case I'm looking for a small bump to security over running services on the host box. If separation were an absolute requirement I think I'd eat the extra cycles and go for full virtualization, sure. |
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| 14:21.06 | h00ked | Terminus: on squeeze work well beta drivers. now its out stable version of proprietary, so im going to try it :) |
| 14:21.17 | Terminus | waynr: hmmm... i just tried it here and it doesn't seem to work as i expect. is it a clean install? if it is, reinstalling and deselecting desktop environment in tasksel might be a quicker solution. |
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| 14:21.26 | zck | hi there |
| 14:21.32 | zck | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/49640679398/debian-wheezy-released |
| 14:21.53 | waynr | blubberdiblub: ah right i wasn't looking at the right column (gnome-session was successfully uninstalled with aptitude purge gnome-session) |
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| 14:22.11 | waynr | now it and the others are about to uninstall as expected |
| 14:22.13 | Terminus | h00ked: guess you might not have any choice but to try the proprietary driver then. |
| 14:22.46 | waynr | Terminus: this is a system that was upgraded from squeeze sometime last year |
| 14:23.00 | waynr | thans for your help Terminus , blubberdiblub |
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| 14:23.51 | blubberdiblub | waynr, you're welcome |
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| 14:24.03 | h00ked | Terminus: unfortunately yes... but its still 50:50 :D |
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| 14:24.58 | Terminus | h00ked: nowadays, i'm a loyal to onboard intel video when it comes to linux. =D |
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| 14:25.48 | AndroidBeing | Does anybody know what might be causing this "rpc.idmapd[1696]: nss_getpwnam: name 'john@localdomain' does not map into domain 'Domain.com'" after an upgrade to Wheezy? |
| 14:26.12 | h00ked | Terminus: i had all time AMD GPUs with no problem, this lenovo "hybrid" is first problems piece of hw :) |
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| 14:29.56 | rindolf | OK, sorry for the ops thing. |
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| 14:30.04 | rindolf | themill: thanks for lifting the ban. |
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| 14:31.03 | rindolf | Anyway, congrats for the Wheezy release. |
| 14:31.20 | seeker61 | i am on a workgroup but not my home network how do i add my home network |
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| 14:32.26 | a_run | anyone tried to install mozilla firefox on wheezy ? |
| 14:32.44 | a_run | says file not found even though it's their when i try ./firefox |
| 14:32.47 | Owner | hi, does anyone know the correct way to avoid screen not working after su - <user>... running 'script' before screen makes it work... |
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| 14:33.50 | rindolf | a_run: can you try strace? |
| 14:33.54 | Terminus | Owner: what do you mean by "screen"? screen the program or screen as in display? |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | a_run: why would you "./firefox" ? |
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| 14:34.15 | a_run | rindolf: execve("/opt/firefox/firefox", ["/opt/firefox/firefox"], [/* 31 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | a_run: aptitude install iceweasel .. done |
| 14:34.41 | a_run | abrotman: i want the original one |
| 14:35.22 | abrotman | a_run: so shouldn't you ask them why it doesn't run? Iceweasel works just fine |
| 14:36.03 | rindolf | a_run: did you try the fully qualified path? |
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| 14:36.14 | a_run | rindolf: yes, see the above output from strace |
| 14:36.15 | mcgreg | hi |
| 14:36.20 | rindolf | a_run: OK. |
| 14:36.23 | a_run | can't even ldd on it |
| 14:36.35 | rindolf | a_run: can you pastebot the output of ls -lR /opt/firefox ? |
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| 14:37.04 | abrotman | rindolf: a_run : please use #firefox .. Debian supplies Iceweasel, and it works |
| 14:37.11 | a_run | how do i pastebot |
| 14:37.21 | a_run | abrotman: i know |
| 14:37.23 | rindolf | abrotman: Ok, sorry. |
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| 14:37.27 | abrotman | thank you |
| 14:37.35 | a_run | it was working fine on 6.x |
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| 14:37.40 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:37.51 | metrix | When upgrading to the latest stable with xen VM's should I upgrade the virtual machines or the root machine first? |
| 14:38.06 | abrotman | metrix: i'd think the host first |
| 14:38.15 | metrix | Thank you! |
| 14:38.24 | mcgreg | anyone in here has experience in building kernel from https://www.kernel.org/ on debian? while kernel 3.9 works/boots fine, 3.9+ does not (error: failed to execute /init) at boot-time // doing it with make deb-pkg |
| 14:39.17 | kimir | no |
| 14:39.22 | kimir | ops sry wrong |
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| 14:43.43 | mumpitze1 | mcgreg: 3.8 onwards needs a newer initramfs-tools package. |
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| 14:44.01 | mumpitze1 | you could compile the new kernel with needed drivers compiled in and without initrd |
| 14:44.21 | ompaul | ,version kernels |
| 14:44.22 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 14:44.23 | mumpitze1 | or get a new initramfs-tools package from experimental for example |
| 14:44.29 | ompaul | ,kernel |
| 14:44.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 14:45.04 | mcgreg | mumpitze1: ok, I'll try that, thank you |
| 14:47.02 | mcgreg | mumpitze1: after updating the initramfs-tools - I just need to run on the kernel, right? |
| 14:47.15 | mcgreg | mumpitze1: update-initramfs I meant this one |
| 14:47.26 | Kegeruneku | mcgreg: update-initramfs -k all -u |
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| 14:48.14 | mcgreg | Kegeruneku: yeah , I meant, I dont need to rebuild the kernel, I just need the new initrd image (?) |
| 14:48.15 | h00ked | Terminus: proprietary works well :) |
| 14:48.27 | Terminus | h00ked: good to hear. =) |
| 14:48.48 | h00ked | Terminus: new quest: wifi and BT :D |
| 14:48.57 | Kegeruneku | mcgreg: yep |
| 14:48.59 | Terminus | after all these years, i've finally gotten around to using irssi's proxy module. seems to work pretty well. |
| 14:49.30 | dvs | mcgreg: uh, that just creates a new initrd image |
| 14:50.38 | Terminus | h00ked: never had any problems with wifi and bluetooth before. i've only used laptops that have pretty good driver support though. |
| 14:51.14 | h00ked | Terminus: i never had a problem, but this lenovo is.. from different world :D |
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| 14:51.39 | h00ked | there is absolutely no support to that |
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| 14:52.57 | beboj_ | hi , is it possible to download debian without any gui (only cli mode) , because i want to install only fluxbox without any gdm or something like that... |
| 14:52.59 | Terminus | h00ked: ah right. the weird atom + radeon combo. |
| 14:53.07 | Terminus | beboj_: yes, it is. |
| 14:53.17 | beboj_ | netinst? |
| 14:53.28 | Terminus | beboj_: i actually use netinst for all my installs. |
| 14:53.45 | beboj_ | perfect thx |
| 14:53.58 | h00ked | Terminus: im looking to newer type - Q190 its intel i3 and intel HD 4000. it looks much better |
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| 14:54.13 | Terminus | beboj_: installing a DE is selected by default but you can just uncheck that. |
| 14:54.28 | beboj_ | k |
| 14:54.30 | zykotick9 | beboj_: netinst is what you're looking for. |
| 14:54.55 | Terminus | h00ked: the lenovo G470 and friends seem to work well enough for linux. |
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| 14:55.23 | h00ked | Terminus: ideacentre or ntb? |
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| 14:55.34 | Terminus | h00ked: whoops... was looking at notebooks. |
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| 14:56.06 | h00ked | Terminus: ideacentre is... allinone desktop. they said :D |
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| 14:57.28 | Xplain | Hi. Why are there not at least torrents for all DVDs? |
| 14:57.49 | Terminus | h00ked: the Q190 i'm seeing seems to be available only with a celeron processor. |
| 14:58.12 | themill | Xplain: such as? |
| 14:58.46 | babilen | Xplain: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ has all three torrents |
| 14:58.52 | babilen | (for example) |
| 14:58.57 | h00ked | Terminus: here http://www.alza.cz/lenovo-ideacentre-q190-d395726.htm |
| 14:59.02 | debianN00b | Hello, I just installed debian 7 without connecting LAN . Now i can't connect to internet , Neither USB mode is working. How i can install those required firmware please? |
| 14:59.10 | Xplain | babilen: But there are 10 DVDs |
| 14:59.25 | abrotman | Xplain: which architecture? |
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| 14:59.36 | Xplain | abrotman: i386 and amd64 |
| 14:59.51 | babilen | Xplain: I haven't checked that, but I can see only three on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 14:59.58 | h00ked | czech republic :) |
| 15:00.04 | debianN00b | babilen, i need your help please |
| 15:00.10 | babilen | Xplain: But where are you looking? |
| 15:00.19 | Xplain | babilen: there are 10 available with jigdo. also see the checksum files or the list directory |
| 15:00.24 | MagnusO | I am back, I was force fixing my server at work |
| 15:00.24 | themill | Xplain, babilen: they probably haven't (and won't) actually generate those images |
| 15:00.34 | h00ked | Terminus: ouch, HD 3000 GPU, not 4000 :) |
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| 15:00.42 | themill | dpkg: tell Xplain about missing iso images |
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| 15:00.58 | MagnusO | My question was does anyone known good dlna / unpnp media server ? |
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| 15:01.38 | babilen | debianN00b: I'll be off in a second, but it would help the other helpers if you tell us why you didn't connect via the infromation and what your networking hardware is (lspci -nn) |
| 15:01.53 | Terminus | h00ked: must be unique to .cz. if you're worried about hd3000 vs hd4000, i don't think buying a PC that tiny is the solution. otherwise, it doesn't look bad. |
| 15:01.58 | babilen | debianN00b: Use the installer with firmware, download the firmware packages from packages.debian.org and install them with "dpkg -i" or provide the firmware during the installation. |
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| 15:02.16 | babilen | themill: yeah, I didn't idle long enough in #debian-cd :) |
| 15:02.17 | Xplain | themill: ok thanks. i know they are available via jigdo. that's how im downloading them atm. I just was wondering, because had squeeze had all i386/amd64 images on the mirror. torrents wouldnt need additional space on mirrors |
| 15:02.44 | h00ked | Terminus:i think so. GPU isnt problem, its only on GDM3 :) |
| 15:02.51 | themill | Xplain: well it would as it the image still needs to be created and hosted somewhere |
| 15:03.00 | h00ked | Terminus: typical office PC |
| 15:03.54 | Xplain | themill: they should have been created somewhere, because there are checksums available for them. i understand that hosting space is limited |
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| 15:04.19 | themill | Xplain: actually, not necessarily. |
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| 15:04.33 | Terminus | h00ked: yep. cpu looks terribly underpowered for my usage though. |
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| 15:05.14 | babilen | debianN00b: If you need/require firmware I would recommend to install with the images that contain firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images) or to provide it during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware) |
| 15:05.19 | mbruins | hi adjusting .Xresources and then merge it in .xinitrc doesnt work to change the colors of my xterm. should i mess arround with .Xdefaults? |
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| 15:05.48 | babilen | debianN00b: As you already have installed I have to know how you are planning to connect to the internet and how you *could* connect (temporarily) as well. |
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| 15:07.10 | themill | Xplain: you could make the jigdo file and calculate the hashes on that file without ever making the iso file. I don't know if that's what the CD team actually does, but they certainly can't deal with TB-sized ISO archive if they actually did make them all. (There's talk of not generating CD1-x images at all for jessie) |
| 15:07.19 | debianN00b | babilen, I am currently on Windows since i can't connect to internet from Debian. On windows i am trying to find the network card information. In previous version of debian Ethernet was worked |
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| 15:08.14 | babilen | debianN00b: So you do have ethernet? You should find information in, maybe, the "hardware manager" but that is really rather a question for ##windows |
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| 15:08.32 | debianN00b | babilen, From windows i found 1. Intel(R) Centrino(R) Wireless-N 1030. 2. Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controler |
| 15:09.31 | mcgreg | mumpitze1: installing initramfs-tools from experimental unfortunately didnt fix the problem. do you have any other ideas? |
| 15:09.33 | babilen | debianN00b: Okay, you probably only need the realtek firmware. I would recommend to install Debian using the images with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images) -- Which image did you use for the installation and did you install a graphical system? |
| 15:10.01 | debianN00b | babilen, Yes the KDE iso |
| 15:10.02 | mentor | debianN00b: Does your network interface show up? |
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| 15:10.55 | debianN00b | mentor, yes , ifconfig show up 127.0.0.1(Sorry can paste the full info now) |
| 15:11.06 | debianN00b | *cant |
| 15:11.08 | mentor | debianN00b: That's the loopback interface |
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| 15:11.29 | mentor | It'll likely show up named as eth<number> |
| 15:12.23 | debianN00b | babilen, Perhaps i can install realtek firmware manually too? |
| 15:13.22 | debianN00b | mentor, Perhaps i should reboot my computer to log in on debian... Let me switch to another computer for IRC |
| 15:13.33 | babilen | debianN00b: You can, just download the package from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek and install it with "dpkg -i firmware-realtek*.deb" |
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| 15:14.43 | mentor | They're arch-all packages |
| 15:14.50 | Devastator | too soon to update servers/routers with wheezy? |
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| 15:16.29 | mentor | Devastator: No, but you might want to have an upgrade plan |
| 15:17.03 | Devastator | that's what I thought, a spare machine or something |
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| 15:19.28 | debianN00b | I will be back |
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| 15:20.55 | Wyzard | Anyone know why most of the torrent files for wheezy CDs/DVDs are missing? |
| 15:21.05 | Wyzard | amd64 has torrents for DVDs 1-3 but not 4-10 |
| 15:21.32 | zck | Wyzard: maybe they're still launching them, do you need them? |
| 15:21.32 | themill | dpkg: tell Wyzard about missing iso images |
| 15:21.39 | h00ked | Terminus: finaly, all hw seem working, but, it looks like the CPU is very slow... |
| 15:21.41 | themill | it's even in the cd image FAQ... |
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| 15:22.06 | themill | Wyzard: both people who actually need all the DVD images for their offline installs can generate them from jigdo themselves. |
| 15:22.06 | Wyzard | themill: I'm talking about torrent files, not the iso files themselves |
| 15:22.16 | themill | Wyzard: and the difference is ... |
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| 15:22.36 | Wyzard | torrent files don't cause a bandwidth burden on the cdimage server |
| 15:23.03 | themill | well, they do when there are no seedrs |
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| 15:23.18 | Wyzard | and there can be no seeders if there are no torrents |
| 15:23.20 | themill | and they still have to be generated and copied around etc |
| 15:23.27 | Wyzard | (I was planning on helping with seeding them all) |
| 15:23.42 | themill | Are you really intending to seed 1TB of iso images? |
| 15:23.56 | Wyzard | well, the amd64 ones |
| 15:24.16 | h00ked | why not, i have on one of my server alltime seeding all dvds :) |
| 15:24.28 | themill | stick to seeding images that people will actually use |
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| 15:24.39 | zck | Wyzard: maybe you can offer your help at the official channel, or in the mailing list |
| 15:24.41 | Terminus | h00ked: cool. i don't expect much from atom processors nowadays. |
| 15:24.59 | Arrowmaster | you'll probably seed more if you seed 1-3 of both amd64 and i386 instead of 1-10 of amd64 |
| 15:25.06 | h00ked | Terminus: me too, but.. its realy slow. I can see it :D |
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| 15:25.41 | Terminus | h00ked: i only use atoms for specific headless applications. i've got atoms routing something like 25 VLANs at the office. |
| 15:26.03 | Wyzard | so the lack of torrents for DVDs 4-10 is a deliberate choice and not an oversight? |
| 15:26.16 | themill | ... |
| 15:26.44 | h00ked | Terminus: this is my first atom, but, on my Nexus 7 tablet is gnome-shell and debian together much faster :D |
| 15:26.58 | Wyzard | If so, the CD download page ought to mention that somewhere |
| 15:27.10 | themill | Wyzard: it does. |
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| 15:27.50 | babilen | debianN00b: So, how are things coming along? |
| 15:27.51 | debianN00b | wth, My Laptop does not even boot for debian |
| 15:27.57 | themill | Wyzard: it also tells you that you don't need more than 1 DVD (and in fact that you'd be better off with the netinst) |
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| 15:28.25 | me-1 | hi...when boot into Debian wheezy and choose graphic install I get an error in green text on top of the screen which is unreadable . I can read few words like video accelration not found press space...etc any help?? |
| 15:28.28 | debianN00b | babilen, I am confused why debian not loading... I installed debian by USB |
| 15:28.41 | babilen | debianN00b: How did you create the USB stick? |
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| 15:29.08 | debianN00b | using Urltra ISO babilen |
| 15:29.25 | babilen | debianN00b: what's that? |
| 15:29.32 | debianN00b | First time i was able to log in to debian host but now i can't |
| 15:29.45 | babilen | What happens if you try now? |
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| 15:30.24 | debianN00b | babilen, http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/ |
| 15:30.29 | me-1 | when boot into Debian wheezy and choose graphic install I get an error in green text on top of the screen which is unreadable . I can read few words like video accelration not found press space...etc any help?? |
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| 15:30.54 | babilen | I am also not sure if Ultra ISO (assuming Urltra was a typo) is working correctly -- We typically recommend to use the win32diskimager from http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to create USB sticks with our installers from MS Windows. |
| 15:31.00 | debianN00b | babilen, Now it just pass the grub but no Login window appearing |
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| 15:31.38 | babilen | debianN00b: So, Debian is starting and the boot is continuing, but you end up with ... what? (instead of the login window) |
| 15:31.44 | Devastator | debianN00b I'm currently using rufus, http://rufus.akeo.ie/ |
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| 15:32.21 | babilen | Devastator: The win32diskimager is know to work. |
| 15:32.29 | babilen | me-1: You mean during the installation? |
| 15:32.48 | thingfish | Congratulations on releasing! :) |
| 15:32.54 | babilen | thingfish: Thanks :) |
| 15:33.00 | debianN00b | babilen, after the grub(Loading please wait.....) just blank screen |
| 15:33.07 | me-1 | babilen, yes at very first step on both install and graphic install |
| 15:33.09 | babilen | me-1: Which GPU do you have and which image do you use? |
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| 15:33.19 | babilen | me-1: So the text installer is also not working? |
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| 15:33.49 | Arrowmaster | with this release you should also specify if you are using UEFI too |
| 15:33.55 | Arrowmaster | it makes a difference on boot |
| 15:34.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about fixmbr |
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| 15:34.13 | me-1 | yes text installer is not owrking either . |
| 15:34.23 | babilen | debianN00b: Okay -- I would recommend to reinstall and use the images with firmware this time. Create them using the aforementioned win32diskimager |
| 15:34.29 | me-1 | I am using Dell optilex 270 |
| 15:34.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about firmware images |
| 15:34.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about install KDE |
| 15:34.42 | myth | I am thinking of moving back to debian. |
| 15:35.04 | myth | I used squeeze some years ago |
| 15:35.06 | babilen | debianN00b: Wait, which GPU do /you/ have? Did you install anything in Debian? |
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| 15:35.12 | ChibaPet | myth: Good. Welcome back. Wheezy is lovely and you'll enjoy it. |
| 15:35.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell myth about install debian |
| 15:35.25 | debianN00b | babilen, My problem is too slow download speed(It will take day to install from net) :( |
| 15:35.26 | myth | nice. |
| 15:35.28 | me-1 | babilen, it is askimg me to press F9 or F8 and space ( I am not sure as the text is almost unreadable) |
| 15:35.31 | myth | and, gnome 3.4? |
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| 15:35.58 | debianN00b | That is why i always choose CD1 |
| 15:36.07 | ChibaPet | myth: My wife runs it and very much enjoys it. She came to it from a Mac and hasn't yet regretted the switch. She's not a computer geek, and it's still very comfortable for her. |
| 15:36.13 | babilen | myth: I would recommend to use the images with firmware if your hardware requires that (and assuming you have a working internet connection) -- Do you have any preference regarding your desktop environment and/or window manager? |
| 15:36.35 | me-1 | and my GPU is not working with gnome so I expect it to boot in fall back mode |
| 15:36.47 | babilen | me-1: Which GPU is in that one and which Debian image do you use? |
| 15:36.49 | debianN00b | why debian does not include those required firmware in the CD? |
| 15:36.50 | me-1 | gnome3 |
| 15:36.58 | mentor | Non-free |
| 15:36.59 | myth | babilen, gnome3 is okay for me. using it now. |
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| 15:37.11 | myth | babilen, but I'm using 3.6, and 3.4 is buggy? |
| 15:37.31 | babilen | me-1: No, for the installation -- Which image did you download? Do you have an nvidia, ati or intel GPU? |
| 15:37.43 | me-1 | babilen, its intel extreme graphic 2 and image is CD1 debian wheezy |
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| 15:38.04 | mtn | myth: all software is buggy, but 3.4 is fine for me |
| 15:38.08 | babilen | myth: In that case I would recommend the netinstall iamge with firmware -- that one will isntall Gnome 3 by default if you choose to isntall the "Desktop" task. |
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| 15:38.51 | myth | hmm |
| 15:39.04 | thiagoalencar | Hello; Anyone knows a recent tutorial on how to setup debian as a Bluetooth Access Point (PAN) ? |
| 15:39.09 | myth | I'm thinking of using sid, since I prefer newer softwares. |
| 15:39.10 | babilen | me-1: Hmm, can you give me the PCIID of that card? (e.g. "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" output at the end in brackets ([abcd:1234])) |
| 15:39.10 | myth | bad idea? |
| 15:39.12 | zykotick9 | recommends hardware that doesn't require non-free firmware/software to make it work ;) |
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| 15:39.14 | thiagoalencar | All the ones I find in the net are really outdated |
| 15:39.22 | Arrowmaster | myth: yes if you are new to linux |
| 15:39.33 | me-1 | babilen, my PC is fairly old its Dell optilex 270 and gnome 3 runs on it in fallback mode |
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| 15:39.42 | babilen | me-1: Would you mind trying the netinstall firmware with firmware too? |
| 15:39.56 | myth | Arrowmaster, been using linux for a couple years |
| 15:40.11 | mtn | myth: it's fine to run sid if you like breaking and fixing things |
| 15:40.16 | Arrowmaster | ok, still probably best to use jessie though, especially this soon after a release |
| 15:40.20 | babilen | me-1: Hmm, I haven't seen that error before and I would say that the text installer should definitely work (regardless of hardware acelleration or not) |
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| 15:41.33 | babilen | me-1: fsvo "should" that is :-/ |
| 15:41.47 | Devastator | zykotick9 afaik, even Atheros which was known to not need non-free, needs now |
| 15:41.51 | me-1 | babilen, what if I install debian on my HD by using other pc and put it back into mine..? |
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| 15:43.04 | babilen | me-1: You mean to debootstrap it there? Yeah, that would work, but I am curious why the isntaller doesn't work (and I am sure the CD/installer team is too) -- Unfortunately I am heading home now and can't pursue this further right now ... |
| 15:43.08 | mumpitze1 | me-1: it will install just fine but when you run it the problem with the non working GUI won't be fixed |
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| 15:44.31 | babilen | me-1: I'd try different images and also check error output on other consoles (e.g. ALT-F4) and report back with that information. I might have understood why the grphical installer is not working, but can't quite see why the text one is failing too. |
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| 15:44.56 | zykotick9 | Devastator: my Atheros AR9285 wireless and Atheros AR8132 ethernet, both work fine without non-free firmware? so not all Atheros is like that, YMMV. |
| 15:45.07 | me-1 | mumpitze1, I had similar problem with squeez . The text is asking me to press F9 or something like that . With Squeeze I pressed and installatioon continiued |
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| 15:47.11 | ^7heo | hey people |
| 15:47.45 | Devastator | zykotick9 indeed |
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| 15:48.38 | ^7heo | Just to know, is the syntax "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install <package>" correct to get packages from wheezy-backports after having added the needed line in /etc/apt/sources.list and done an apt-get update ? |
| 15:49.18 | zykotick9 | ^7heo: is anything in wheezy-backports already? |
| 15:49.39 | ^7heo | apparently, yes |
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| 15:49.56 | ^7heo | but it seems that there are the same package that are in wheezy |
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| 15:50.04 | ^7heo | as far as I can tell |
| 15:50.54 | ^7heo | I expected to find quite a few packages from sid already :P |
| 15:52.13 | ^7heo | but maybe now is a bit too close to the release date for backports to be something else than a copy of wheezy |
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| 15:54.14 | antimon | i upgraded to wheezy today and now sieve scripts that use envelope to (if envelope "to" "xy@example.org") do not work any more; i use exim4, dovecot and dovecot-sieve |
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| 15:57.41 | somiaj | ^7heo: usually backports come from testing, my guess is you won't start to see many of them until after the jessi flood gets under control and the devs have time to start making backports. |
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| 15:59.03 | debianN00b | what the hell, How the ISO became only 250MB in size !!! Today everything is just confusing ! |
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| 16:03.41 | Arrowmaster | debianN00b: netinstall is only 250MB, it downloads everything else as needed |
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| 16:04.34 | penguin42 | I'm seeing a seg in ld-linux.so.3 on armhf in a chroot on an older kernel (2.6.29, omap3 nook armel works) - is it expected to work? 'file' says it's marked as wanting >=2.6.26 |
| 16:06.06 | debianN00b | Arrowmaster, My Downloaded CD1 was 625MB ... When i am going to install it on USB using win32 USB imager it justs now showing permanently that it is 205MB .. Perhaps now it is corrupted... Windows is sucks |
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| 16:06.57 | somiaj | penguin42: that is a strange kernel for a debian system. is it a backport? |
| 16:07.19 | caravel | debianN00b: you should checksum the ISO immediately after download, or get it via torrent |
| 16:07.48 | penguin42 | somiaj: It's not a debian install; it's a debian chroot on an an Android system |
| 16:08.22 | debianN00b | I used Internet Download manager to download iso .... |
| 16:08.56 | penguin42 | somiaj: I might try and walk the kernel forward - the vendor seems to have been good enough to provide a kernel source tree that just builds easily |
| 16:09.09 | penguin42 | somiaj: But still, I'm surprised that it segs in ld-linux |
| 16:09.12 | mtn | debianN00b: compare the size and name of the file with your file manager and the website. |
| 16:09.40 | somiaj | penguin42: might be something else, is it debian wheezy or squeeze in the chroot |
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| 16:10.19 | debianN00b | mtn, IDM showing it downloaded 621MB |
| 16:10.26 | penguin42 | somiaj: Wheezy |
| 16:10.41 | debianN00b | It is not my day!!! |
| 16:10.52 | mtn | debianN00b: use your file manager to check the size, then check the webpage for the correct size of the file. |
| 16:11.57 | somiaj | penguin42: that kernel is old even for squeeze, it could be the culprit. |
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| 16:13.04 | penguin42 | somiaj: OK, my understanding is that the binaries should be built to smack you visibly if you try and run them on a too old kernel (Ubuntu Raring/quantal chroot's give you a neat 'too old kernel') |
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| 16:14.14 | somiaj | penguin42: I can't tell you forsure what the cause of the segfault is. I'd suggest someone more kowledgeable and able to track such things down. |
| 16:14.21 | mtn | debianN00b: you may need some windows help to download and burn the iso |
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| 16:15.10 | penguin42 | somiaj: Nod, a bit tricky to take gdb to it when you can't run any binaries in it; although I can run in the host and get a core etc |
| 16:15.15 | somiaj | penguin42: I just recall a major kernel upgrade with udev in squeeze. If the conflict is too old a kernel or just some obscure option that was enabled on that kernel I wouldn't know. |
| 16:15.36 | penguin42 | somiaj: Oh this is way below udev, I suspect it's trying to use a vdso or the like that's not there |
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| 16:16.31 | MachinaeWolf | http://pastebin.com/C7CBuKiQ Can I dist-upgrade and be running the new testing fine? |
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| 16:18.44 | mtn | MachinaeWolf: you aren't running debian now, are you? |
| 16:19.17 | MachinaeWolf | yes I am, well not vanilla but it's still debian... |
| 16:19.47 | mtn | MachinaeWolf: no, it is crunchbang, right? if so, no, it won't work well, if at all. |
| 16:20.07 | MachinaeWolf | well crap... |
| 16:20.20 | mtn | MachinaeWolf: clean install and away you go! |
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| 16:21.22 | Su7 | Hi |
| 16:21.30 | Su7 | I have a real issue |
| 16:21.47 | Su7 | looks like I don't have libc.so.6 on my machine anymore |
| 16:21.56 | penguin42 | that's a shame |
| 16:22.01 | Su7 | not able to ls, mv, cp :( |
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| 16:22.12 | penguin42 | Su7: Do you know how you lost it? |
| 16:22.17 | Su7 | any help would be greatly appreciated :( |
| 16:22.34 | peterS | Su7: note that it should live in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc6.so.6 these days. I think that's a change from squeeze. |
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| 16:22.58 | Su7 | peterS looks like it's not in it anymore |
| 16:22.58 | peterS | (well or equivalent path if you're on 32-bit) |
| 16:23.11 | peterS | as penguin42 asks, do you know how you lost it? |
| 16:23.28 | Su7 | during a bad update I think |
| 16:23.46 | Su7 | aptitude asked me what to do with gcc dependencies, I accepted |
| 16:23.59 | Su7 | now it won't launch and prompt me bad error |
| 16:24.08 | Su7 | error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:24.36 | penguin42 | Su7: I'd boot form a live cd and see what state it's in - if it's only libc.so.6 missing I'd copy the file in manually; if it's more that's missing then... well it might take more hackary |
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| 16:25.03 | Su7 | penguin42 I can't access the machine, it's a remote server |
| 16:25.05 | dondelelcaro | Su7: do you happen to have busybox-static installed or something similar? |
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| 16:25.28 | penguin42 | Su7: Ah |
| 16:25.29 | Su7 | dondelelcaro never heard of this package |
| 16:25.31 | cougnut | Su7, you won't be doing anything remotely anytime soon. |
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| 16:25.56 | dondelelcaro | Su7: well, you'll need at the very least something which is able to extract ar archives. |
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| 16:26.02 | penguin42 | Su7: ok, think carefully; what IS working on the machine ? |
| 16:26.06 | dondelelcaro | Su7: alternatively, if you can scp anything to the machine, you can do that. |
| 16:26.27 | Su7 | I do have a ssh window open and will not close it |
| 16:26.31 | penguin42 | Su7: Do you have any chroot's on it with a libc in? |
| 16:26.36 | Su7 | but I can't tar, ln, mv, cp |
| 16:26.47 | penguin42 | Su7: OK, so you can do ls by doing echo * in a shell |
| 16:27.06 | cougnut | Su7 contact the administrator and have them fix it. |
| 16:27.13 | w0rm-_x | how can I view who accessed a file in my system, which log file tells that? |
| 16:27.29 | penguin42 | w0rm-_x: Normally there is no such log |
| 16:27.38 | w0rm-_x | penguin42, a command perhaps? |
| 16:27.42 | Su7 | penguin42 thanks for echo *, i don't have any chroot |
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| 16:27.52 | penguin42 | Su7: OK, what does the machine run - what servers? |
| 16:28.13 | w0rm-_x | penguin42, or which log keeps track of when a file was modified..etc, is stat suitable for this? |
| 16:28.29 | cougnut | you can see modified date with, ls |
| 16:28.40 | cougnut | and see who accessed sshd via logs.. |
| 16:28.42 | penguin42 | w0rm-_x: There is no log/command that traces stuff like that unless you enable BSD accounting or the like; stat/ ls -l will tell you last modified date |
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| 16:29.32 | w0rm-_x | penguin42, ok thanks. |
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| 16:29.49 | Su7 | penguin42 it basically runs apache |
| 16:30.02 | w0rm-_x | cougnut, that won't work for local access |
| 16:30.07 | penguin42 | Su7: OK, does your apache use chroot for security - so it has a copy of a libc? |
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| 16:30.28 | nohitall | whats the testing release called now? |
| 16:30.41 | Su7 | penguin42 I don't remember I chrooted it, but how could I test that ? |
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| 16:30.53 | daemonkeeper | nohitall: Jessie |
| 16:31.04 | nohitall | merci |
| 16:31.10 | nohitall | guess isosare not up yet as testing |
| 16:31.13 | nohitall | *isos are |
| 16:31.13 | penguin42 | Su7: Hmm I don't know apache well enough to answer that, I just know some do that |
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| 16:31.46 | Su7 | penguin42 could I be able to echo the content of the file in the directory ? |
| 16:31.55 | Su7 | but .so are binaries... |
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| 16:32.26 | penguin42 | Su7: Yes you can; while read F do echo $F; done < thefile |
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| 16:33.11 | penguin42 | Su7: More in the set of 'commands to know for when you've really screwed your system up' |
| 16:33.32 | Su7 | that's the case indeed :( |
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| 16:34.41 | Su7 | penguin42 so i should be able to read the content of libc.so.6 into a new file I create in the ight dir ? |
| 16:34.57 | penguin42 | Su7: Tricky - but do you have a libc.so.6 ? |
| 16:35.11 | Su7 | on my system ? |
| 16:35.16 | penguin42 | Su7: If you can find one, then set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the right dir and you might be able to run mv/ld/etc |
| 16:35.21 | penguin42 | Su7: Yeh |
| 16:35.32 | Su7 | on this shitty server, I don't |
| 16:35.59 | penguin42 | Su7: use that echo * to look in /lib - do you have either a libc.so.6 or a /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu ? |
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| 16:36.49 | Su7 | I don't have libc.so.6 but I have that dir |
| 16:36.57 | penguin42 | Su7: Consider getting your remote machines from a VM provider that has systems for booting into rescue images etc (like bytemark) |
| 16:37.06 | penguin42 | Su7: OK, look in that dir, is there a libc.so.6 in there? |
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| 16:38.24 | Su7 | no I don't penguin42 |
| 16:38.37 | Su7 | and I'll consider it |
| 16:39.08 | penguin42 | Su7: ok, do you run any cgi's on your apache? |
| 16:39.17 | Su7 | nope |
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| 16:39.28 | penguin42 | do you have an ftp server? |
| 16:39.34 | Su7 | well i run php but i'm not sure it's ran using cgi |
| 16:39.39 | Su7 | I do have proftp |
| 16:39.49 | Su7 | proftpd* |
| 16:39.54 | LinuxGuy2020 | In order for jigdo-lite to use packages on my hard drive for the BD images, do the packages have to be in a proper pool first? Cause I have the whole package archive that I downloaded for wheezy a few weeks ago but it doesn't seem to like any of the files in the folder. I'm not sure why. |
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| 16:40.55 | penguin42 | Su7: Can you still ftp in? |
| 16:40.57 | JyZyXEL | oh wait, when did we release :D |
| 16:41.08 | Su7 | nope penguin42 |
| 16:41.28 | penguin42 | Su7: Do you have an anonymous ftp user? |
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| 16:41.55 | JyZyXEL | are there any Debian 7.0 T-shirts yet? :D |
| 16:42.04 | Su7 | penguin42 nope |
| 16:42.13 | JyZyXEL | ill need to wear one for installation ceremony |
| 16:42.24 | Su7 | isn't there some kind of backup dir for libs or something ? |
| 16:42.28 | zinx | JyZyXEL: there are a number of T-shirt makers that will make one for you :P |
| 16:42.41 | JyZyXEL | zinx: im bad with graphics though :( |
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| 16:43.06 | penguin42 | Su7: It's going to be hard to recover from this mess |
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| 16:44.03 | Su7 | you can't tell me that :( |
| 16:44.08 | zinx | JyZyXEL: :( |
| 16:44.13 | penguin42 | Su7: The only way I can see of doing it (!) is to use shell echo to copy a busybox-static binary over an existing binary that already has the +x set |
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| 16:45.02 | Su7 | how can I use echo to copy binaries ? |
| 16:45.25 | zinx | i think he means cat, i hope he means cat |
| 16:45.29 | penguin42 | Su7: Well... echo can write any character - adn you can use > and >> to redirect to any file |
| 16:45.31 | penguin42 | zinx: Nope |
| 16:45.38 | penguin42 | zinx: He has nowhere to cat from |
| 16:45.43 | zinx | oh dear |
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| 16:46.10 | zinx | it sounds like he needs to boot a working system to fix it, tbqh |
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| 16:46.38 | Su7 | penguin42 I'm gonna try this, where should i start ? |
| 16:46.42 | penguin42 | zinx: Indeed, although I'm kind of convinced that it is fixable with echo :-) |
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| 16:47.16 | dalias | hey |
| 16:47.32 | penguin42 | Su7: Really, I'd look to see if you can get the machine recovered remotely first |
| 16:47.37 | dalias | google's chrome .deb depends on libc6 >=2.15 now, but debian (even sid) only has 2.13... |
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| 16:47.45 | dalias | is there any recommended solution to this? |
| 16:47.51 | Arrowmaster | experimental has 2.17 |
| 16:47.58 | zinx | Su7: write a script that creates commands like: echo -ne "\0177ELFfoobar" > file; echo -ne "NCHnthnteantoeh" >> file; # etc |
| 16:48.09 | zinx | Su7: using the busybox static binary as source data |
| 16:48.14 | dalias | arrowmaster, can i "safely" pull that into a sid system? |
| 16:48.20 | dalias | if so, what's the best way? |
| 16:48.24 | penguin42 | Su7: But, if you need to do it, then I'd say I'd install busybox-static on another box, hex dump it, and write a script that converts that into a series of echo statements and you echo those into a file on the victim system and echo it iover a non-important binary that already has the +x binary |
| 16:48.44 | zinx | ^^ |
| 16:48.56 | Arrowmaster | dalias: you can either add the repos and install it normally or just download the package from packages.debian.org and install it with dpkg -i |
| 16:48.57 | Su7 | oh god |
| 16:49.00 | penguin42 | Su7: Oh, and read http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/recovery.html |
| 16:49.10 | zinx | Su7: exactly, that's why i said i think you should just find a way to boot a working system to fix it :P |
| 16:49.21 | Su7 | zinx taht is not possible |
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| 16:49.23 | zinx | Su7: can you get the disk images for the VM? |
| 16:49.29 | zinx | Su7: get/modify i should say |
| 16:49.41 | zinx | Su7: there are programs to convert them in to a normal filesystem image |
| 16:49.44 | Su7 | no I can't |
| 16:49.45 | zinx | Su7: and back |
| 16:49.50 | zinx | Su7: you need a new provider |
| 16:49.55 | penguin42 | zinx: Hmm, is there enough in the initramfs ?! |
| 16:49.58 | Su7 | this is really a cheap server |
| 16:50.00 | zinx | Su7: ditch your current one, and take your backups to a new one |
| 16:50.17 | zinx | penguin42: not the standard initramfs |
| 16:50.27 | Su7 | zinx I am doing all this to try to recover my backups (don't blame me) |
| 16:50.34 | zinx | Su7: o_O |
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| 16:50.49 | zinx | Su7: well, echo + static busybox, go to it |
| 16:50.59 | zinx | Su7: have fun copy/pasting a ton of lines :P |
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| 16:51.32 | zinx | (you might want to use one based on a smaller libc :P ) |
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| 16:51.35 | wald0 | where i can get teh source code of the debian installer ? "debian-installer" package doesn't seems to contain anything |
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| 16:51.51 | wald0 | im specifically searching for the grub installation source code |
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| 16:53.50 | penguin42 | Su7: Just check, do you have /bin/busybox already? |
| 16:54.24 | Su7 | no I don't |
| 16:54.28 | penguin42 | ah |
| 16:54.42 | Su7 | I'm gonna install busybox on another x64 machine |
| 16:55.22 | Su7 | then I'll need you guys to explain me how to overwrite the exe with dumped binary lines using ghetto commands |
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| 16:56.41 | Su7 | but wait, can't I simply copy libc.so.6 from another x64 debian machine to the victim ? penguin42 zinx |
| 16:56.51 | Su7 | using shell echo |
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| 16:59.07 | penguin42 | Su7: Yeh, so how are you going to do it with shell echo |
| 16:59.12 | mumpitze1 | wald0: the grub installer is in grub-install which is a normal part of the grub package |
| 16:59.18 | mumpitze1 | no need for the debian installer |
| 16:59.59 | Su7 | penguin42 I don't know but if I can write binary for an exe, I should be able to write it for a so |
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| 17:01.06 | Su7 | am I totally wrong ? |
| 17:01.25 | penguin42 | Su7: Yes, that might work - I'm not sure if the so has to be executable or not |
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| 17:05.39 | penguin42 | Su7: hexdump -v -e '"echo -e "8/1 "\\x%02X " "\n"' /bin/busybox might help - I'll be back in about 30mins |
| 17:06.18 | dalias | arrowmaster, thanks. that worked. and i've been wanting to get glibc 2.17 anyway |
| 17:06.50 | dalias | how usable is experimental? is it basically what sid used to be, before all of sid's packages started being 2-3 years outdated? :-p |
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| 17:07.26 | jelly-home | dalias: the versions of google-chrome-stable and google-chrome-beta from their repos still depend on "[...] libc6 (>= 2.11),", are you sure you're downloading the right binary? |
| 17:07.54 | jelly-home | dalias: at least, that's the case here on i386 |
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| 17:08.53 | dalias | i always use google-chrome-unstable |
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| 17:22.06 | jelly-home | dalias: report the bug to the vendor, then. |
| 17:22.12 | Su7 | please hl me when you're back penguin42 |
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| 17:26.59 | penguin42 | rematerialises |
| 17:27.08 | Su7 | penguin42 I'm done |
| 17:27.15 | Su7 | the machine does not answer anymore |
| 17:27.18 | Su7 | good bye |
| 17:27.22 | penguin42 | sniff |
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| 17:28.04 | Su7 | it still serves http pages |
| 17:28.08 | Su7 | but... |
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| 17:28.54 | Su7 | penguin42 |
| 17:28.56 | wulllst | hey there, i have a question about architecture-dependent builds. |
| 17:29.07 | Su7 | works again |
| 17:29.10 | Su7 | pfou |
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| 17:29.23 | Su7 | so i made the hexdump |
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| 17:29.51 | wald0 | mumpitze1: so the debian installer "just" installs the grub package and all the detection of other OS's, the mbr install, and everything else is done on this way ? |
| 17:30.13 | penguin42 | Su7: OK, and on your working machine can you write a file that turns out to be the same as a busybox that executes |
| 17:30.16 | wulllst | if there is a debian package for a piece of software which has no arch-dep variants, can i create an arch-dep build using the source package? |
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| 17:30.54 | mentor | wulllst: Why would you want to? |
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| 17:31.13 | wulllst | mentor: speed gain. |
| 17:31.30 | Su7 | penguin42 i'm trying this |
| 17:31.31 | Arrowmaster | how? |
| 17:31.38 | mentor | That's not what architecture dependent means |
| 17:31.39 | boudiccas | what version of php does wheezy ship with please? judd says '<judd> No package named 'php' was found in i386.' |
| 17:31.52 | wulllst | mentor: i noticed a dramatic difference in the ardour package recently. |
| 17:32.16 | jelly-home | boudiccas: look for php5 |
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| 17:32.24 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
| 17:32.32 | wulllst | i used to have a version built from src on my old and far more powerful machine that was ok, but a bit slow |
| 17:32.42 | Feigr | I just installed Debian 7, and during the installation it found my wifi and I entered the password and it worked, but now that it has booted after the install the network is unreachable and I am not sure how to initialize the wireless connection. It's integrated on the motherboard with an external antenna |
| 17:32.53 | mentor | wulllst: That's not what architecture dependent means |
| 17:33.02 | wulllst | mentor: ok. |
| 17:33.13 | Arrowmaster | ,versions php5-common |
| 17:33.14 | judd | Package: php5-common on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze15; jessie: 5.4.4-14; wheezy: 5.4.4-14; sid: 5.4.4-15; experimental: 5.5.0~beta4-1 |
| 17:33.17 | wulllst | mentor: what is that thing, i am looking for then? |
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| 17:33.45 | wulllst | mentor: maybe let me get to the end of what i wanted to say about ardour |
| 17:33.47 | Feigr | lspci finds two ethernet controllers, but no mention of any wireless |
| 17:33.52 | mentor | wulllst: What is ardour written in? |
| 17:34.17 | wulllst | mentor: i thought about this and i think its C plus some python |
| 17:34.29 | Arrowmaster | Feigr: you have two ethernet controllers? |
| 17:34.40 | wulllst | mentor: c++ |
| 17:34.41 | mentor | Well, any compiled C will have to go in an architecture dependent pacakge |
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| 17:34.45 | mumpitze1 | Feigr: paste it to paste.debian.net |
| 17:35.04 | Feigr | Arrowmaster: yeah I have an ethernet port on the motherboard and an PCI card too |
| 17:35.07 | mentor | wulllst: Any python will go in an architecture independent package, and will be compiled on install |
| 17:35.15 | Feigr | mumpitze1: can't really paste without network :D |
| 17:35.17 | wulllst | mentor: ok |
| 17:35.21 | mentor | wulllst: Or bytecode will be cached or whatever. |
| 17:35.42 | mumpitze1 | Feigr: what mainboard is it? |
| 17:35.43 | wulllst | mentor: still. what i installed was an ardour pakage optimized for i686 |
| 17:35.53 | Feigr | mumpitze1: Asus P5K Premium |
| 17:35.57 | mentor | wulllst: i686 is not a Debian architecture |
| 17:36.16 | wulllst | mentor: right... |
| 17:36.30 | wulllst | mentor: but it is an architecture. |
| 17:36.32 | mentor | wulllst: Debian has i386 and AMD64. Any further optimisations are nothing to do with packaging |
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| 17:36.52 | wulllst | mentor: how is this done then? |
| 17:37.21 | mentor | How is what done? |
| 17:37.51 | wulllst | mentor: to add on thing about ardour. the optimized package runs faster on my modest hw then the old source build ran on a far more powerful machine. |
| 17:38.16 | mumpitze1 | wulllst: libc6-i686 for a optimized version of libc6. very few packages are treated like this |
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| 17:38.28 | mentor | wulllst: I don't know |
| 17:38.38 | Feigr | is there a built-in equivalent to wifi-menu I can use to try to search for networks? |
| 17:38.44 | wulllst | mentor: how can i possibly optimize a specific package (using the source package) for a specific processor. |
| 17:38.51 | mentor | wulllst: Probably if there is code optimised for i686, it will be loaded at run time |
| 17:39.04 | wulllst | i mean, a bit like recompiling your kernel.. |
| 17:39.21 | mentor | wulllst: You can recompile any package you want, with whichever compiler flags you want |
| 17:39.39 | jelly-home | wulllst: you could just rebuild a local copy with relevant built-time options and use it |
| 17:39.51 | mentor | wulllst: I suspect you might want to check that doing this will actually help first |
| 17:40.07 | wulllst | mentor: ? |
| 17:40.18 | wulllst | mentor: ok. i get that. |
| 17:40.30 | richardbranson | Hello, can I upgrade mine distro to Jessie already? |
| 17:40.36 | Feigr | just doing a dhclient wlan0 did not work, it just sat there for a while and then doesn't give me an error message |
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| 17:40.44 | mentor | wulllst: You seem a little confused as to what the "optimised version" actually was |
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| 17:41.05 | a7x | hi, why there are 68 different iso available? |
| 17:41.07 | wulllst | mentor: well, there are 2 packages for ardour in wheezy. |
| 17:41.34 | wulllst | ardour and ardour-i686 |
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| 17:42.03 | jelly-home | a7x: mostly for people that want to install everything on offline machines |
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| 17:42.28 | mentor | wulllst: OK |
| 17:42.33 | wulllst | and the description of ardour-i686 says: this build is optimized for i686. |
| 17:42.41 | mentor | wulllst: Right |
| 17:42.59 | a7x | jelly-home, there is the whole repo in those CDs? |
| 17:43.05 | a7x | :o |
| 17:43.18 | wulllst | mentor: now i thought: could i not optimize a piece of software that i often use, by myself? |
| 17:43.32 | jelly-home | a7x: yes |
| 17:43.38 | mentor | wulllst: See comment about recompiling packages above |
| 17:43.58 | a7x | oh weird but nice |
| 17:44.02 | a7x | thank you jelly-home |
| 17:44.14 | Feigr | How can I find out whether the wifi on this motherboard even works with Debian to begin with? because I can't really download or install anything on that computer right now |
| 17:44.15 | wulllst | mentor: right. that means, i would have to find out, what "optimization" would mean in my specific case. |
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| 17:45.17 | phacele55 | http://pastebin.com/B7AVb07 need some help with this |
| 17:45.19 | mentor | At a guess, I would say ardour should probably be using various optimised code libraries like liboil |
| 17:45.50 | phacele55 | my apologies its here http://pastebin.com/B7AVb07s |
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| 17:46.04 | wulllst | mentor: ok. well, i thought about recompiling zim. because i use a custom-build package of it anyway. |
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| 17:46.11 | wulllst | zim is written in python |
| 17:46.15 | mentor | er |
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| 17:46.20 | mentor | No, that doesn't work |
| 17:46.25 | zykotick9 | phacele55: just a sidenote, you might want to see "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" |
| 17:46.28 | mentor | wulllst: python is intepreted |
| 17:46.30 | mentor | r |
| 17:46.40 | jelly-home | Feigr: boot any linux livecd or liveusb, look at the pci id (lspci -nn) or usb id (lsusb) for the card, first |
| 17:47.02 | Feigr | jelly-home: I can't just lspci from the command line on my regular install? |
| 17:47.05 | wulllst | mentor: that would mean, i would actually have to make the interpreter faster. ok...thats a bit too much, i guess |
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| 17:47.14 | mumpitze1 | Feigr: you can |
| 17:47.24 | Feigr | because Debian 7 is installed on the PC, and the wifi worked during the installation, it was a netinstall |
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| 17:47.36 | jelly-home | Feigr: sure |
| 17:47.38 | Feigr | but now "Network is unreachable" |
| 17:47.46 | mumpitze1 | it is a realtek 8187 which can mean tons of different chips :( |
| 17:47.53 | mentor | You don't get to make a compile-time/run-time tradeoff |
| 17:48.04 | Feigr | according to the specs of the motherboard it has Realtek 8110SC and Marvell Yukon 88E8056 |
| 17:48.38 | jelly-home | Feigr: really, provide the pci id numbers. |
| 17:48.53 | wulllst | mentor: meaning that "compile longer, run faster" doesn't work here? |
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| 17:49.03 | Feigr | jelly-home: is that the number in brackets? |
| 17:49.07 | jelly-home | Feigr: yes |
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| 17:49.15 | phacele55 | here it is http://paste.debian.net/2247/ |
| 17:49.23 | mentor | wulllst: Yes |
| 17:49.29 | wulllst | mentor: i see |
| 17:49.31 | Feigr | ok it's [11ab:4364] and [10ec:81679~9 |
| 17:49.42 | Feigr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.45 | Feigr | there |
| 17:49.47 | mentor | Or, compile more versions for different targets |
| 17:50.23 | wulllst | which means? |
| 17:50.31 | leemar | hello, skype will not run citing missing libXv.so.1 -- I have this libraty file in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and my x86_64-linux-gnu.conf shows this path. Any ideas? |
| 17:50.41 | mentor | wulllst: Optimise for each individual target |
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| 17:50.45 | jelly-home | Feigr: those both look like wired gigabit ethernet |
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| 17:50.55 | jelly-home | ,pciid 10ec:8167 |
| 17:50.56 | Feigr | hmm ok |
| 17:50.57 | judd | [10ec:8167] is 'RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8167 |
| 17:51.20 | Feigr | well the wifi is on the motherboard, with one of those screw in pin contacts to an external antenna |
| 17:51.39 | jelly-home | probably connected via usb |
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| 17:53.28 | Feigr | but can't I do what the installation program did, because the wifi worked there |
| 17:53.39 | Su7 | penguin42 is it normal that both my hexdumps of libc.so.6 and busybox are 64555 lines long ? |
| 17:53.59 | jack_thompson | so... someone disabled --enable-rootcommit in CVS in the stable release... who was it? the package maintainer? ok... i'll find and fuck him in the ass... |
| 17:54.08 | Feigr | so it is obviously possible to get it to work, I just need to get it to search for networks I guess. I am used to using the program wifi-menu for that but it's not included in Debian by default |
| 17:54.28 | penguin42 | Su7: Both exactly the same length?! |
| 17:54.34 | wulllst | mentor: ok, thanks for explaining. i think i'll just leave things a s they are. |
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| 17:54.50 | Su7 | penguin42 yes |
| 17:54.58 | penguin42 | Su7: each line should be 8 bytes of the input, so no |
| 17:55.03 | Su7 | I made these dumps using the command you provided |
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| 17:55.11 | penguin42 | remind me of the command? |
| 17:55.12 | phacele55 | i think i got over run, i need some help with this http://paste.debian.net/2247/ |
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| 17:56.26 | ompaul | Su7: do you happen to have (A) backups (B) a simple way to reinstall the box from some kind of panel / shell? |
| 17:57.12 | Su7 | ompaul backups are located on the victim machine and i will reinstall the os once I get the backups back |
| 17:57.17 | Su7 | this is really poor, I know |
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| 17:58.28 | penguin42 | Su7: For me the file lengths match the size of the file as input |
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| 18:03.42 | rantic | Hi everyone, I'm trying to install debian from one of the CD install images and I'm told a firmware package for rt2870.bin (my usb wireless dongle) is missing. I found the .bin in a .deb file and placed it on the USB drive I'm installing with ... but it doesn't get detected |
| 18:03.44 | Arrowmaster | is it already installed, if so you can just run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:03.53 | rantic | do I have to place it in a specific directory or do anything special? |
| 18:04.00 | rantic | I chucked it in the /firmware folder at the root of USB |
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| 18:04.55 | Arrowmaster | ive never had luck getting that to work since i didnt find clear directions, you can use the netinstaller image with the firmware already included though |
| 18:04.56 | Arrowmaster | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:05.09 | Su7 | penguin42 what command did you use to check the size of /bin/busybox ? |
| 18:05.12 | wald0 | Arrowmaster: on this case (grub package), the first time that i have installed it, it requested me on which disk i wanted to install grub, but after to use dpkg-reconfigure, it doesn't asked me it |
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| 18:05.52 | penguin42 | Su7: For me ls -l /bin/busybox and if I divide that by 8 that's how many lines I got |
| 18:06.08 | rantic | Arrowmaster: So the netinstaller on the website contains no third party firmware by default? Seems odd for a netinstall disc |
| 18:06.11 | Arrowmaster | wald0: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow packagename |
| 18:06.12 | phacele55 | http://paste.debian.net/2247/ need some help |
| 18:06.14 | penguin42 | goes to rescue his crumble - back in about 30min |
| 18:06.35 | Arrowmaster | rantic: official media contains no non-free software |
| 18:06.54 | Su7 | penguin42 so we're good on that point |
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| 18:07.04 | Arrowmaster | rantic: hence the 'unofficial' in that url i linked |
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| 18:07.24 | leemar | hello, skype will not run citing missing libXv.so.1 -- I have this library file in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and my x86_64-linux-gnu.conf shows this path. Any ideas? |
| 18:07.44 | Arrowmaster | leemar: you probably need the i386 version of the library |
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| 18:08.16 | leemar | Arrowmaster: gotcha, isn't that supposed to be the 'multiarch' pacgajke? |
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| 18:08.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah you need to enable multiarch and install the i386 version of the package |
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| 18:08.54 | leemar | Arrowmaster: ahhhh, I have to 'enable' multiarch first |
| 18:08.56 | Arrowmaster | !multiarch |
| 18:08.56 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>. See also <multi-arch installer>. |
| 18:09.21 | leemar | Arrowmaster: awesome, thank you |
| 18:10.16 | phacele55 | arrowmaster: maybe you can help, getting this error http://paste.debian.net/2247/ |
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| 18:10.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont know anything about ruby gems |
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| 18:11.24 | phacele55 | its a package issue though, missing lib |
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| 18:12.11 | Schijnn | When I try to run synaptic, I get the following error: "E: The value 'experimental' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources. E: _cache->open() failed. please report." How can I fix this? |
| 18:12.31 | Arrowmaster | phacele55: yeah it probably is a missing package, i dont know which one though |
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| 18:13.01 | phacele55 | i have tried ruby and ruby-full |
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| 18:13.32 | jayzio | I have an ASRock G41M-VS3 mainboard, with 1GB DDR3 of memory. Is it possible to add 4GB DDR3 to the second slot, which would make 5GB RAM? |
| 18:14.28 | JyZyXEL | jayzio: this is more of a #hardware question |
| 18:14.39 | jayzio | JyZyXEL: no one will reply |
| 18:14.48 | jelly-home | phacele55: the failing checks in lines 7-11 should be enough. Is there a reason why you're not using the packaged ruby-pg? Too old? |
| 18:14.59 | JyZyXEL | jayzio: the motherboard manual usually tells you in which kind of configuration memory can be installed |
| 18:15.02 | jelly-home | should be clues* enough |
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| 18:16.49 | phacele55 | ruby-full was supposed to be a full include |
| 18:17.01 | phacele55 | only reason i got, but thanks for the tip jelly-home |
| 18:17.34 | maxxe | to what directory should i install 32 bit libraries ..? /lib32 seems to be gone within the new release.. |
| 18:18.04 | Feigr | I am trying with a USB wifi dongle now and that wont work either, just says send_packet: Network is down |
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| 18:18.23 | Feigr | when I reboot after specifyin the new wifi interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:18.33 | jelly-home | phacele55: use apt-file or /msg judd file ... to find out which package provides the missing pg_config tool |
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| 18:19.11 | jelly-home | phacele55: or the missing libpq-fe.h header |
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| 18:21.46 | phacele55 | yeah i tried ruby, ruby-full, and ruby-pg no solution yet |
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| 18:22.42 | Feigr | if I try to do iwlist scan I just get "Interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down" for both the wireless interfaces |
| 18:22.57 | thechef | with backports you need to specify -t in order to have the backports version installed. How do you do the same with other repositories which would normally overwrite the main repository? |
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| 18:24.21 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, is debian 7 the new stable? |
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| 18:24.39 | thechef | Ephexeve_laptop: yes |
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| 18:25.24 | penguin42 | (although packages.d.ol doesn't know that) |
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| 18:25.47 | Feigr | I cannot really understand why this has to be so complicated since the Debian installer program had no problem connecting to my wireless network with the existing interface |
| 18:25.59 | Feigr | why couldn't it just remember that config for after the install? :/ |
| 18:26.17 | Ephexeve_laptop | thechef: and that was wheezy, correct? |
| 18:26.31 | penguin42 | Su7: So if you run the set of echo's it produces does it produce a matching output file |
| 18:26.40 | Arrowmaster | Feigr: it should, i have no idea whats going on for you |
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| 18:28.26 | Feigr | Arrowmaster: can I set WPA key in /etc/network/interfaces? If not where do I do that? |
| 18:28.38 | Arrowmaster | you can |
| 18:28.44 | Ephexeve_laptop | Is Python 2.7 in the stable repo already? |
| 18:29.00 | Arrowmaster | just to go over a few things first though, did you install gnome/kde/another DE? |
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| 18:30.09 | porton | What's about new "testing" repository? |
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| 18:30.35 | Feigr | Arrowmaster: you know what the syntax is? |
| 18:30.41 | Feigr | wireless-key? |
| 18:30.42 | Arrowmaster | Feigr: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 18:31.08 | Arrowmaster | verify wpasupplicant is installed |
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| 18:31.27 | Feigr | wpa_supplicant is, not wpasupplicant |
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| 18:31.37 | Arrowmaster | same thing |
| 18:31.42 | Feigr | ok then yes |
| 18:32.09 | Arrowmaster | then the syntax is defined in that wiki page |
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| 18:34.08 | Feigr | Arrowmaster: huge success! it works :D |
| 18:34.11 | Feigr | thanks a million |
| 18:35.00 | Arrowmaster | Feigr: now decide if you are going to keep it setup that way or use something like network manager |
| 18:36.09 | Feigr | well it's a stationary computer so I won't even connect to any other wifi networks |
| 18:36.18 | Feigr | so I might be ok with a very basic config like this |
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| 18:36.34 | wolfmitchell | so, whats the new testing release? |
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| 18:36.58 | porton | wolfmitchell: Is the new "testing" repository already available? |
| 18:37.05 | wolfmitchell | idk |
| 18:37.10 | wolfmitchell | ah |
| 18:37.11 | wolfmitchell | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 18:37.29 | Bogus8 | I have a script that runs just about every hour and I can't figure out where it is located... Here is the error in the /var/log/syslog "May 5 10:00:01 EZ-Server /USR/SBIN/CRON[20466]: (ezbis) CMD (/home/ezbis/.scripts/touch_log.sh)" |
| 18:37.36 | Bogus8 | How can I find where this is being run from? |
| 18:37.53 | Bogus8 | ezbis is the user |
| 18:37.57 | divbell | bogus8, check /etc/cron.hourly |
| 18:37.58 | w0rm-_x | does anyone know how to include the nice priority along with the information displayed by ps aux |
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| 18:38.14 | divbell | bogus8, or the ezbis crontab.. become the ezbis user and run crontab -l |
| 18:38.27 | ac_slater | hey everyone, I have a font I installed that shows itself in `fc-list` but not in xfontsel ; thus I cant use it. Any hints? |
| 18:38.30 | Bogus8 | divbell: all I have in .hourly is .placeholder |
| 18:38.44 | divbell | bogus8, then it can only be in the ezbis user's crontab |
| 18:38.47 | Bogus8 | divbell: that's probably the trick... I've been snooping around via sudo |
| 18:38.52 | Arrowmaster | w0rm-_x: try ps -ef |
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| 18:39.17 | w0rm-_x | Arrowmaster, didn't work |
| 18:39.30 | Bogus8 | divbell: TADA!! Thanks... so I guess this gets stored in the users home dir? |
| 18:39.36 | justmmt | hi all |
| 18:39.57 | divbell | bogus8, it gets stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ezbis |
| 18:40.26 | divbell | bogus8, but don't edit that file directly.. use the crontab utility |
| 18:40.49 | divbell | bogus8, e.g. sudo crontab -u ezbis -e |
| 18:41.07 | Su7 | penguin42 are you still here ? |
| 18:41.08 | divbell | if you aren't the ezbis user already, otherwise just crontab -e |
| 18:41.24 | penguin42 | Su7: Nod |
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| 18:43.00 | Bogus8 | divbell: Yeah, I know not to edit directly... just wondering why I didn't find it in the other places I was looking. |
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| 18:43.36 | Bogus8 | divbell: thanks for all your help... got me all sorted out as well as helping me discover my other error I was working on! ;) |
| 18:43.37 | Su7 | I wondered if I could use my mediawiki's upload module as a way to upload busybox |
| 18:44.52 | divbell | glad i could help |
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| 18:55.59 | penguin42 | Su7: You got mediawiki on the victim box? |
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| 18:56.05 | Su7 | yep |
| 18:56.16 | Su7 | and a wordpress |
| 18:56.19 | kingsley | ac_slater: It has been my experience that the locations of directories containing font files is not as standard as I hoped. If I recall correctly, you might compare the paths searched by fc-list and xfontsel. If that doesn't solve the problem, searching Google's indices with good key words is a good bet. |
| 18:56.32 | penguin42 | Su7: Hey well try the upload - but coming back to a question I asked about 3 hours ago - I think that means you've probably got some cgi's and that's probably got a chroot |
| 18:56.40 | h00ked | hm... extensions.gnome.org says, i have not the latest version of gnome and i will be not able to install ext. but i can... fcuk it |
| 18:57.18 | Su7 | I do have PHP and that's all, but does it run using cgi ? |
| 18:57.29 | Su7 | if you have a way to check :) |
| 18:57.35 | penguin42 | Su7: I think so, see if mediawiki lets you uipload |
| 18:58.05 | Su7 | it does but refuses at the end as only a few file formats are authorized |
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| 18:58.25 | penguin42 | what formats ? |
| 18:58.32 | killerhorse | Hi |
| 18:58.40 | penguin42 | Su7: Well ok, find your mediawiki install - I bet it has a libc |
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| 18:59.20 | Su7 | penguin42 i'm there |
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| 19:01.41 | debianN00b | babilen, I redownloaded the Kde iso, recreated USB and reinstalled but unfortunately I still am getting black screen after loading grub.. And for previous installation perhaps it was problem of configuring DHCP... |
| 19:01.51 | debianN00b | I don't know what i should do now |
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| 19:04.04 | babilen | debianN00b: I mentioned that you have to use an image *with* firmware -- The KDE one does not include firmware, but you can provide firmware during the installation on a removable medium (/msg dpkg installer firmware) -- Not sure if the second partition on the stick is large enough for the firmware packages from firmware.tar.gz |
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| 19:05.15 | babilen | debianN00b: Alternatively try chrooting into the system and install suitable firmware packages manually (you can download them from packages.debian.org -- install them with "dpkg -i the_package.deb") -- See "/msg dpgk fixmbr" for chrooting instructions (you don't necessarily need the update-grub/grub-install part) |
| 19:05.19 | debianN00b | My USB is 8GB |
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| 19:06.22 | babilen | debianN00b: The point is that if your USB is large enough or not, the question is if the second partition if you create the stick from the images we ship is large enough to take the firmware. I'm simply not sure about it ... the initial idea was that you install from CD and provide the firmware on USB |
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| 19:07.39 | ompaul | debianN00b: have you another usb key? |
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| 19:08.02 | debianN00b | So the Desktop is not loading for the firmware? |
| 19:08.21 | debianN00b | ompaul, Not now but i will arrange one! |
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| 19:08.49 | debianN00b | Also Laptop's fan is spining in full power |
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| 19:08.57 | ompaul | debianN00b: you have two choices two usb keys (which may work) or a cdrom and a usb key (which works better) |
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| 19:09.39 | ompaul | by better I mean is more reliable - you may find you have to put the firmware usb key in several ports before it is loaded on some hardware |
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| 19:10.34 | debianN00b | I am sorry if it is stupid question, How i can put the firmware in USB(ISO)? |
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| 19:11.27 | arl4223 | if some of the debain team is reading here: thank you very much for your effort, this system is just awesome! |
| 19:11.32 | babilen | debianN00b: The general idea is, as I mentioned earlier, to burn the installer image to a CD and then copy/unpack the firmware.tar.gz on any USB stick. |
| 19:11.49 | debianN00b | Okay nice |
| 19:11.52 | debianN00b | i will do it |
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| 19:12.07 | babilen | debianN00b: I would, however, simply download the image that contains firmware already. You can configure that one to install KDE -- I mentioned that earlier, but you obviously misunderstood me. |
| 19:12.33 | debianN00b | by chrooting ? |
| 19:12.43 | debianN00b | using a Live CD? |
| 19:13.19 | babilen | debianN00b: So, you can either burn your KDE image to a CD and download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack that to your USB stick or download the image with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:14.00 | Su7 | so in my mediawiki install dir, what should i do penguin42 ? |
| 19:14.02 | babilen | debianN00b: But I'd like to note that I have /no idea/ what the problem is with your system. You had an old intel graphic card or was that someone else? |
| 19:15.22 | debianN00b | babilen, My system has two graphics card, Intel and nvidia(Optimus) |
| 19:15.36 | penguin42 | Su7: Well find out what files you have - do you have any libs ? |
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| 19:18.09 | Su7 | no libs penguin42 |
| 19:18.11 | debianN00b | babilen, If you kindly take a look here please http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-l502x/pd |
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| 19:18.18 | babilen | debianN00b: Ok, that might be a problem in itself ... Is it working better if you switch to someting like "Intel only" in your BIOS? |
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| 19:18.35 | babilen | debianN00b: No, I can't do that Dave. (crappy internet here right now) |
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| 19:18.55 | babilen | And anyway, I was doing something else. Please ask the channel in the future. |
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| 19:19.14 | Gerowen | Question, I'm about to try installing Wheezy. In Squeeze I had access to proprietary fglrx drivers for my ATI card that is no longer supported by the ATI driver in newer versions of X. Does anybody know off the top of their head if the older drivers still work in Wheezy? |
| 19:19.20 | debianN00b | It does not have Graphics card switching option in bios |
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| 19:19.53 | debianN00b | The previous version had no any problem ! |
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| 19:21.26 | penguin42 | Su7: Can you upload anything? |
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| 19:23.42 | grok0 | Gerowen, fglrx-legacy (in experimental) supports cards down to HD 2000. |
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| 19:25.31 | debianN00b | lol this time DE loaded ! what happened ? |
| 19:25.36 | Su7 | penguin42 yes, I can |
| 19:25.54 | penguin42 | Su7: I'd try and figure out HOW - that says to me it's got a chroot somewhere you've not found |
| 19:25.56 | debianN00b | weird |
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| 19:26.06 | penguin42 | Su7: Well, upload a libc and see if you can use it |
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| 19:28.13 | debianN00b | eth0 also show up but not connected to internet . |
| 19:28.44 | Arrowmaster | penguin42: there might not be a libc anywhere, it could just be that the already running programs are continuing to run without issues |
| 19:29.09 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: Yeh, but seems odd for soemthing like mediawiki; I'd have assumed it would have spawned soemthing new for an upload |
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| 19:29.30 | Arrowmaster | penguin42: i once wiped out libc6 on a desktop and got it back by downloading it with an already running firefox and extracting the .deb using file-roller i think |
| 19:29.41 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: Haha nice :-) |
| 19:29.54 | Su7 | penguin42 I successfully uploaded busybox as an executable but of course it won't let me run it |
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| 19:30.03 | Arrowmaster | just put it in /usr/local and was able to run dpkg to install it properly after that |
| 19:30.15 | Su7 | I'll get the same problem with libc : it won't have the correct .so extension |
| 19:30.30 | Su7 | any idea ? |
| 19:30.32 | Arrowmaster | you could easily change the extension |
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| 19:30.50 | Su7 | Arrowmaster how ? |
| 19:30.51 | Arrowmaster | upload the libc6.so then cat file > file.so |
| 19:30.56 | penguin42 | Su7: If you can copy the busybox executable over an existing binary then it's sorted - but can't think how |
| 19:31.01 | Su7 | I can't use cat, here's the trick |
| 19:31.02 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: Except he can't run cat or mv |
| 19:31.16 | Arrowmaster | no cat??? |
| 19:31.20 | penguin42 | Su7: echo will work for you |
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| 19:31.21 | Su7 | no libc :( |
| 19:31.39 | Arrowmaster | echo < file > file.so |
| 19:31.41 | Arrowmaster | does that work |
| 19:31.57 | Arrowmaster | maybe im just too used to a superior shell like zsh |
| 19:31.57 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: echo doesn't read from a file; and I don't think a loop trick will work for a binary file |
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| 19:32.10 | penguin42 | Su7: I'd still go with that echo trick |
| 19:32.21 | Su7 | let's give i a try |
| 19:32.46 | penguin42 | Su7: But I'm pretty convinced your mediawiki has a libc somewhere - the other thing you might be able to do is tweek mediawiki config files to let you upload other files |
| 19:32.56 | Arrowmaster | guessing ln needs libc too |
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| 19:33.23 | Su7 | the echo trick does not work |
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| 19:34.08 | Su7 | before i ruin my MW install, any other idea ? |
| 19:34.44 | penguin42 | Su7: Still use that hexdump/echo trick |
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| 19:35.26 | Su7 | penguin42 I tried but haven't been ableto make it work |
| 19:35.37 | penguin42 | Su7: Try harder, it's doable |
| 19:35.47 | Su7 | I had 65k lines like this one : echo -e \\x00\\x00\\x00\\x00\\x00\\x00\\x00\\x00>> /bin/ypdomainname |
| 19:36.00 | Su7 | except for the first one that had only 1 > |
| 19:36.12 | Su7 | do you see a mistake ? |
| 19:36.13 | penguin42 | Su7: Right, and what happens (65k is a bit of a round number) - are they all 0 ? |
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| 19:36.45 | Su7 | penguin42 64555 lines, and no they are not |
| 19:37.15 | penguin42 | Su7: OK, so what goes wrong with that? |
| 19:37.16 | Su7 | when i run it, the console displays that the binary file could not be ran |
| 19:37.34 | debianN00b | anyone can paste the debian 7 stable sources list please? |
| 19:37.35 | penguin42 | Su7: That's ok - source it (carefully) |
| 19:37.53 | Su7 | my busybox dump ? |
| 19:37.54 | debianN00b | it should be stable or wheezy? |
| 19:38.19 | penguin42 | Su7: Yeh in your shell do . filename where filename is the file with all those echos in |
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| 19:39.27 | Arrowmaster | oh oh does echo $(<file) work?? |
| 19:39.44 | Arrowmaster | it does in my zsh but i dont know about bash |
| 19:40.08 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: Oh that's intersting - it might be |
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| 19:40.26 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: Yeh I think it is |
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| 19:40.53 | Arrowmaster | so we have a basic cp command now? |
| 19:40.53 | Su7 | strange |
| 19:40.58 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: Except the md5sum is different :-( |
| 19:41.03 | arl4223 | any advise when I get "/dev/mapper/vg-system does not exist"? |
| 19:41.29 | penguin42 | arl4223: When, what was the last thing you did and is there anything else in /dev/mapper? |
| 19:41.32 | Su7 | does not run the executable but display some random chars on my console |
| 19:41.54 | arl4223 | penguin42: apt-get dist-upgrade was the last thing |
| 19:41.59 | penguin42 | Su7: Promising, that suggests you've lost the redirect somewhere |
| 19:42.00 | Arrowmaster | su7 thats what its supposed to do, we just got you a crude cat |
| 19:42.02 | arl4223 | penguin42: and then a reboot |
| 19:42.11 | Feigr | I am trying to run a script but I am getting an error: ar: command not found. I searched for it but I don't really understand the solutions people are proposing, such as adding /usr/ccs/bin to my path. I don't have such a directory |
| 19:42.25 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: That $(<) doesn't work - mismatches the output |
| 19:42.29 | Su7 | lost the redirect ? |
| 19:42.48 | penguin42 | Su7: Which command gave you the random output - the . or the $(<) of Arrowmaster's? |
| 19:43.05 | Su7 | i did echo $(<rescueExe) > /bin/ypdomainname |
| 19:43.17 | Su7 | and when i ran that /bin/ypdomainname i got this |
| 19:43.38 | Arrowmaster | penguin42: get him a hex dumpped libc and try echo -e $(<file) > libc.so.6 |
| 19:44.12 | Su7 | Arrowmaster I'm on it |
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| 19:44.32 | penguin42 | Su7: I'd say stick with the sourcing of the file full of echo's |
| 19:44.47 | Arrowmaster | what are you doing to get the hexdump so i can test it |
| 19:44.52 | Su7 | but i'm not sure i understand what you mean by "sourcing" |
| 19:45.07 | penguin42 | Su7: If you do source filename the current bash will run the commands in the file as if you typed them |
| 19:45.34 | penguin42 | Su7: So it doesn't need to be executable; so if you can use the mediawiki thing to upload a text file full of the echo's generated by that hexdump like you showed it should be able to source it |
| 19:45.54 | Su7 | right, i got it |
| 19:46.26 | Feigr | the script I am trying to run is steam_bootstrap.sh if anyone has any experiece with it. I did get it to run in a VM with Debian 7 RC1 |
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| 19:46.36 | icarious | can anyone tell me if this guide is valid for wheezy ? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 19:46.40 | Feigr | but now on proper Debian 7 I am getting the error I previously mentioned |
| 19:46.53 | icarious | that is, the chroot method |
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| 19:47.01 | Pudge | hi |
| 19:48.00 | Pudge | I changed my debian source list to sid, but after apt-get dist-upgrade, why version is always wheezy 7.0? |
| 19:48.16 | ac_slater | kingsley: thanks for the suggestion, though /usr/share/fonts is pretty normal to me :-/ |
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| 19:49.09 | Pudge | Then I tried aptitude dist-upgrade, nothing to upgrade, but aptitude -f install gives a lot of errors |
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| 19:49.55 | Pudge | It told me to install gnome, pulse audio ..etc, but I didn't need them. |
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| 19:50.05 | Pudge | anyone know that problem? |
| 19:50.58 | ac_slater | kingsley: I had to do `xset +fp path` thanks |
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| 19:54.22 | kingsley | ac_slater: You're welcome. |
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| 19:56.00 | Su7 | MediaWiki will not let me upload plain / text files |
| 19:56.03 | Su7 | that's a shame |
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| 19:57.20 | lokote_jones | Good morning. Does any one know how to sold a /lib32/libm.so.6 version GLIBC_2.15 not found error? Im trying to play a game and it needs that GLIBC but I cant find it in google for debian. |
| 19:57.28 | lokote_jones | solve* not sold |
| 19:57.46 | penguin42 | Su7: Well you could just feed it through the terminal you're ssh'd in, but if you can upload any file I'm surprised you can't upload a text file |
| 19:58.16 | Su7 | penguin42 it says it does not fit the MIME type |
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| 19:58.44 | penguin42 | Su7: Rename it blah.txt and try again |
| 19:58.45 | Su7 | so i'm not able to uplaod a libc.so.6 neither |
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| 19:59.04 | lokote_jones | Su7 I need that so.6 |
| 19:59.06 | lokote_jones | lol. |
| 19:59.25 | peterS | Feigr: 'ar' is in the package 'binutils'. If your script needs ar, you need to install binutils |
| 19:59.37 | Su7 | lokote_jones at least you can cat, ls, chmod... |
| 20:00.40 | Su7 | so I could upload a binary file but not a plain /text |
| 20:00.42 | Su7 | well |
| 20:00.44 | lokote_jones | If I can find a package I need ub RPM form is it possible to use it in DEBIAN? |
| 20:01.09 | penguin42 | lokote_jones: See the 'alien' package |
| 20:01.27 | penguin42 | lokote_jones: It sometimes works, you can also install rpm itself, again sometimes works - normally requires a bit of kicking to get it to work |
| 20:02.16 | lokote_jones | penguin42: I am installing alien package now from the synaptic. |
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| 20:02.48 | Feigr | peterS: ok thank you |
| 20:02.58 | Arrowmaster | penguin42, Su7: i got it |
| 20:03.33 | Arrowmaster | penguin42, Su7: http://paste.debian.net/2268/ |
| 20:03.59 | DarsVaeda | Hi suddenly my network sites not work anymore, network settings says I have a wired network unmanaged, how can I debug this/fix it? |
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| 20:04.08 | Su7 | Arrowmaster using -en then |
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| 20:04.24 | DarsVaeda | Sites = does |
| 20:04.36 | Arrowmaster | Su7: let me try something else |
| 20:04.39 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: Right, so yeh; the way I was doing it was with indivudual echo's - but he still has to get that file to the target; shouldn't be any easier than getting the file with loads of echo's |
| 20:05.38 | Su7 | penguin42 with this trick i should be able to upload busybox as an exe and to copy it on an existing exe that has +x |
| 20:05.47 | penguin42 | nod |
| 20:05.55 | Su7 | f*** it |
| 20:06.07 | Arrowmaster | you wont have all the stuff available i used to make the text file though |
| 20:06.18 | zykotick9 | DarsVaeda: if N-M is saying the interface is "unmanaged" it's because you have it configured in /etc/network/interfaces, remove/comment that config to allow N-M to "manage" it. |
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| 20:06.38 | wca | anyone here use Xen >= 4.2 on squeeze? |
| 20:06.57 | Arrowmaster | hmm doing echo -n %(<binary) > file does not work |
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| 20:07.30 | DarsVaeda | Zykotick9: sorry what I did not change anything, where do I set what? |
| 20:08.09 | lokote_jones | Where can I download the two packages libm.so.6 and libc.so.6 without them being in an RPG or something silly? I just need a raw file. |
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| 20:08.50 | zykotick9 | DarsVaeda: 1) you can use TAB on most irc clients to complete nicknames 2) is there config for your interface in /etc/network/interfaces, i'm strongly suspicious there is. |
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| 20:09.06 | abrotman | lokote_jones: for Debian? |
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| 20:09.44 | lokote_jones | abrotman: Yes; I need it in DEBIAN. I'm trying to get the game "BUild a world" to work. I found a forum post that says I need those files "next to the BAWCLIENT". I assume just copy and paste them into the folder. |
| 20:10.06 | betterworld | lokote_jones: if RPG means .deb package file, then why not just unpack it using dpkg -x |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | lokote_jones: they are already on your system, just copy those |
| 20:10.50 | lokote_jones | betterworld: I mean't rpm. Sorry. abrotman: Ok. Ill look for them. Thanks. |
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| 20:11.16 | wca | lokote_jones: try /lib/libc.so.6 /lib/libm.so.6 |
| 20:11.18 | sunbeam | hey, whats a good unrar tool for debian |
| 20:11.19 | sunbeam | any idea? |
| 20:11.29 | abrotman | sunbeam: unrar |
| 20:11.33 | Niichan | Is debian testing updated to jessee branding? |
| 20:11.41 | abrotman | Niichan: yes |
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| 20:11.43 | DarsVaeda | There is config in interfaces |
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| 20:11.55 | abrotman | Niichan: but you probably won't want to run testing for the next few weeks |
| 20:12.03 | Niichan | abrotman: Oh? Why not? |
| 20:12.12 | Niichan | There be dragons? |
| 20:12.23 | penguin42 | ooh, packages.d.o has sorted itself out |
| 20:12.29 | DarsVaeda | "Allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 20:12.41 | abrotman | Niichan: the floodgates are opening, all sorts of packages that may or may not work well together are about to roll in |
| 20:12.48 | zykotick9 | sunbeam: there is a unrar-free in main, for the other version you need non-free repo |
| 20:12.52 | DarsVaeda | Sorry I'm on my tablet,irc is difficult here at best |
| 20:12.57 | Niichan | abrotman: Any worse than running arch? |
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| 20:13.07 | abrotman | Niichan: i don't run arch |
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| 20:13.26 | Niichan | abrotman: Ah. tl;dr: there be dragons? |
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| 20:13.50 | abrotman | didn't read what? |
| 20:13.59 | zykotick9 | DarsVaeda: put a comment before the "iface eth0 .." line, then N-M should take-over on network restart (probably easiest to reboot system, if possible) |
| 20:14.18 | DarsVaeda | Okay I'll try thanks |
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| 20:14.31 | Niichan | abrotman: tl;dr re updating to testing: there be dragons? |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | Niichan: i already told you .. |
| 20:14.51 | Niichan | assumes yes |
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| 20:19.05 | LinuxGuy2020 | I still don't understand the logic of the 7.0.0 version numbering. The point releases are 7.0.1, 7.0.2 etc. The middle 0 seems a bit redundant. |
| 20:19.32 | Arrowmaster | its so the next version of debian could be called 7.1 |
| 20:19.49 | Arrowmaster | it rarely happens but its happened in the past so i guess they have to keep with the old scheme |
| 20:20.04 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hmm ok |
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| 20:22.44 | DarsVaeda | zykotick9: that worked partially, but seems my router crashed or something |
| 20:22.56 | DarsVaeda | zykotick9: thanks again :) |
| 20:22.57 | lokote_jones | No matter what I try; I cannot get these things to work. I just deleted it. Would try WINE but I spent 4 hours last night trying to do WINE and that doesn't work under Debian either. Very frustrating. |
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| 20:24.30 | zykotick9 | DarsVaeda: glad to partially help ;) |
| 20:24.50 | NineX | hi |
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| 20:26.10 | LinuxGuy2020 | One thing I couldnt figure out was my all in one printer, scanner, copier, fax. I got the printer to work over wifi and now Im trying to get the scanner to work over it also. One of the steps is to edit 60_libsane.rules |
| 20:26.10 | LinuxGuy2020 | with "# BrotherSYSFS{idVendor}=="04f9", M ODE="0666", GROUP="scanner", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" |
| 20:26.13 | NineX | any one can tell me how to setup ulimit for mysql ? i have database with 6000 tables, mysql fails to start. init script don't have ulimit change support. i am searching most cosher way ;) |
| 20:26.23 | LinuxGuy2020 | Is that no longer used or what happened? |
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| 20:26.41 | solstis | hello, is there a live cd for wheezy? |
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| 20:29.07 | nmeum | solstis: http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 20:29.53 | LinuxGuy2020 | solstis: They don't seem to be available right yet. I'm sure they are being worked on. |
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| 20:30.01 | Su7 | Arrowmaster penguin42 I successfully uploaded the echoes to the server, but the binary won't launch :( |
| 20:30.26 | Su7 | I sourced the file as you recommended |
| 20:30.33 | solstis | ok, thank you |
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| 20:30.45 | Arrowmaster | is there an error |
| 20:30.55 | penguin42 | Su7: Which binary? |
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| 20:31.28 | Su7 | penguin42 busybox that is built with 65k lines of echo |
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| 20:31.47 | penguin42 | Su7: What does it say, and exactly how big is your busybox file that you built it from? |
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| 20:31.50 | Su7 | the only message is that the binary file could not be ran |
| 20:32.44 | Su7 | penguin42 the size of the busybox I grabbed from my pc is 516440 |
| 20:33.22 | penguin42 | Su7: On your PC what happens if you say file busybox |
| 20:33.29 | Su7 | I don't really know what would be the message in english as my default locale is fench |
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| 20:33.46 | penguin42 | Su7: Well, lets see the french and ask Google |
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| 20:35.00 | arl4223 | damn it looks like a reinstall and data restore :/ |
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| 20:36.16 | Arrowmaster | Su7: can you create a libc text file using the hexdump command i posted, does your mediawiki accept it? |
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| 20:36.42 | Su7 | it does not |
| 20:37.30 | arl4223 | no I mean my server |
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| 20:38.09 | Su7 | but i think the problem with busybox comes from the fact that my pc and my server have different kernels, so the compiled busybox may not work on the server |
| 20:38.23 | penguin42 | Su7: No, different kernels don't matter |
| 20:38.25 | Arrowmaster | Su7: mediawiki has a file extension check, it could be that, try with different extensions |
| 20:38.31 | penguin42 | Su7: Unless one is 386 and the other x64 |
| 20:38.41 | Su7 | no that's not the cas |
| 20:38.44 | Su7 | +e |
| 20:39.00 | Su7 | both are x64 but the server is 3.2 while the pc is 2.6 |
| 20:39.02 | penguin42 | Su7: What does file show on the busybox ? |
| 20:39.22 | Su7 | penguin42 : from the pc's busybox : /bin/busybox: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 20:39.24 | Arrowmaster | file uses libc, wont run |
| 20:39.28 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: On his host |
| 20:39.34 | Arrowmaster | wont run |
| 20:39.34 | penguin42 | Su7: Ah there's your problem |
| 20:39.46 | penguin42 | Su7: The busybox you used isn't busybox static - it's plain busybox |
| 20:39.50 | Arrowmaster | you need busybox-static |
| 20:39.56 | Su7 | i smell the flavour of compilation |
| 20:40.06 | penguin42 | Su7: No |
| 20:40.17 | penguin42 | Su7: Install busybox-static |
| 20:40.26 | Su7 | ok |
| 20:40.53 | Su7 | much beter : /bin/busybox: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 20:40.58 | Su7 | so let's try this again |
| 20:41.32 | Su7 | well no |
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| 20:41.54 | Su7 | actually it's /bin/busybox: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
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| 20:42.28 | penguin42 | yeh that's what you want |
| 20:42.39 | penguin42 | Su7: Should be a bit bigger as well |
| 20:42.53 | Su7 | about three times bigger actually |
| 20:42.57 | penguin42 | yeh makes sense |
| 20:43.53 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, doesn't Debian 7 have Compiz and fusion-icon? |
| 20:44.06 | zykotick9 | Ephexeve_laptop: no, compiz was removed. |
| 20:44.30 | Ephexeve_laptop | zykotick9: So there is no other alternative? |
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| 20:45.08 | zykotick9 | Ephexeve_laptop: not that i'm aware of. i believe this was the relavant bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864 |
| 20:45.50 | Arrowmaster | Ephexeve_laptop: use any modern window manager |
| 20:46.00 | Arrowmaster | even the compiz devs say to switch |
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| 20:46.44 | Ephexeve_laptop | Ah, but xfce4 for example doesn't have the awesome effects compiz has |
| 20:47.15 | Su7 | Arrowmaster penguin42 still not able to launch the damn executable |
| 20:47.25 | sunbeam | zykotick9: is the other rar version better? |
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| 20:47.58 | zykotick9 | sunbeam: "better"? is orange better then red? (for me, NO, rar is non-free garbage) |
| 20:48.04 | penguin42 | Su7: What error exactly? |
| 20:48.25 | Su7 | in french : "bash: /bin/ypdomainname : fichier binaire impossible à lancer |
| 20:48.25 | Su7 | " |
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| 20:48.49 | Arrowmaster | LC_ALL=C /bin/ypdomianname |
| 20:48.53 | straterra | How are the torrents doing? |
| 20:49.06 | straterra | Pondering firing up my own to seed for the next couple of months |
| 20:49.21 | dvs | !wwjr |
| 20:49.22 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
| 20:49.23 | e-anima | any ideas where i can change umask of root in debian? |
| 20:49.28 | Su7 | the same error Arrowmaster |
| 20:49.50 | penguin42 | Su7: Try LANG=C /bin/ypdomainname |
| 20:50.17 | Su7 | again, won't launch |
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| 20:51.38 | penguin42 | Su7: try getting it to write a file that's readable by your webserver so you can pull it back to see if it's ok, also try it on your host to another file nad see if it md5sum's the same as the original |
| 20:51.44 | vaillor | problem with debian 7 and guest additions mounting? |
| 20:51.58 | vaillor | root@debian:/dev# mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom |
| 20:51.58 | vaillor | mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist |
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| 20:52.15 | penguin42 | (That error seems to be 'cannot execute binary file') |
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| 20:53.35 | zykotick9 | vaillor: not sure what you are doing exactly? but, are you expecting /dev/scd0 to be an optical drive? 'cause it's usually /dev/sr0... just sayin' |
| 20:53.44 | Arrowmaster | penguin42: im guessing its not a valid binary then |
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| 20:54.57 | vaillor | root@debian:/media/cdrom# dpkg -l | grep virtualbox |
| 20:54.57 | vaillor | ii virtualbox-guest-dkms 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1 all x8 |
| 20:55.07 | vaillor | i disinstalled and purged it |
| 20:55.12 | vaillor | why i still have it? |
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| 20:56.14 | lokote_jones | I think I got WINE working. I am trying to install World of Warcraft right now. If this works; I will present kisses to all of you in here. Manly kisses. So excited. |
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| 20:56.56 | abrotman | leroy jenkins? |
| 20:57.07 | Kamilion | lokote_jones: 1.4.1? |
| 20:57.13 | abrotman | vaillor: you didn't purge it? |
| 20:57.28 | lokote_jones | Kamilion: Yes. 1.4.1; NM. It failed out on Updating Blizzard Update Agent. |
| 20:57.31 | Su7 | hurra ! |
| 20:57.33 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Oh, I don't think too many people are long enough in the internetz to remember Mr. Jenkins. |
| 20:57.35 | lokote_jones | I can't get anything to work in Deb. |
| 20:57.43 | Kamilion | lokote_jones: how long did it take to build from source? |
| 20:57.44 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: they can googles |
| 20:57.54 | Su7 | I successfully uploaded a valid libc.so.6 using Wordpress' theme upload module |
| 20:58.02 | vaillor | abrotman, yes |
| 20:58.04 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Attention span barely holds long enough to the generation Twitter. |
| 20:58.06 | Su7 | thank you so much penguin42 Arrowmaster |
| 20:58.21 | vaillor | aboman: apt-get remove --purge virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms |
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| 20:58.46 | penguin42 | Su7: Great! I still bet there was one in the wordpress/apache tree somewhere! |
| 20:58.58 | abrotman | vaillor: pastebin all the output |
| 20:59.00 | lokote_jones | Kamilion: I got it from a apt-get from the "unstable" packages. Took about 10-15 min to get it. |
| 20:59.00 | Kamilion | LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERROOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNJENNNNNNNNNNNNNNKINSSSSSS. |
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| 20:59.11 | Kamilion | least i got chicken. |
| 20:59.14 | abrotman | wonders why synaptics is busted ... |
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| 20:59.16 | Su7 | penguin42 I will definitely take a look at this chroot thing |
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| 20:59.20 | lostinspace | I have an issue with debian 7 live: X doesn't start ... |
| 20:59.30 | vaillor | aboman, Il pacchetto "virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms" non è installato e quindi non è stato rimosso |
| 20:59.36 | Kamilion | lokote_jones: Ahh, good luck then. |
| 20:59.48 | vaillor | this means: the packet isn't installed, so haven't been remobed |
| 20:59.59 | aguitel | my printer is epson cx5600 ,it is connected but it cannot print nothing ,how start to slove this? |
| 21:00.00 | abrotman | vaillor: use a pastebin please |
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| 21:00.18 | babilen_ | dpkg: tell vaillor -about localised errors |
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| 21:00.25 | daemonkeeper | Just omit -ose. There is no differentiation between vbox -ose and not anymore. |
| 21:00.57 | daemonkeeper | You can safely purge -ose transitional packages. |
| 21:01.00 | vaillor | ok, thank you |
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| 21:09.26 | Feigr | anyone know what I should add to my sources.list to get a newer Iceweasel in Debian 7? The usually helpful Mozilla site for that has not been updated for Wheezy and still shows Squeeze as current release |
| 21:09.48 | aguitel | my printer is epson cx5600 ,it is connected but it cannot print nothing ,any tips ? |
| 21:09.58 | aguitel | scanner is working |
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| 21:11.20 | sam101 | good evenin all |
| 21:11.45 | sam101 | i am trying to install ruby on this debian, but i seems to have problem |
| 21:11.58 | sam101 | i have been googling for some days but still i can't find a solution |
| 21:12.07 | sam101 | i would be very greatfull if someone can help please |
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| 21:12.32 | sam101 | whe i do apt-get -f install |
| 21:12.37 | sam101 | it says that |
| 21:12.37 | sam101 | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 21:12.37 | sam101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:13.12 | sam101 | and at some point i get this: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 21:15.05 | Strife89 | GNOME 3 turned out to not work well for me after upgrading to Wheezy, and Classic GNOME always fails on login (Oops, something went wrong!). |
| 21:15.36 | Strife89 | I'd like to nuke GNOME 3 and go back to 2, but I'm unsure how. |
| 21:16.10 | dvs | Strife89: you can't for Debian 7 |
| 21:16.37 | abrotman | welcome to Gnome3 |
| 21:16.47 | Strife89 | dvs: Ack. |
| 21:17.05 | Strife89 | GNOME 3 is rather sluggish on my netbook, compared to 2. |
| 21:17.52 | abrotman | Strife89: you might care to try lxde or xfce |
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| 21:18.18 | Strife89 | LXDE, I've tried, but it ... feels limited |
| 21:18.33 | Wolowitz_ | Strife89: Have you taken a look at MATE Desktop? |
| 21:18.54 | Strife89 | Wolowitz_: I've heard of it, thanks to Mint. |
| 21:18.58 | abrotman | Wolowitz_: MATE is NOT in Debian |
| 21:19.04 | Strife89 | Is that in t he Debian re-- dammit |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | thankfully, no |
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| 21:19.35 | Wolowitz_ | abrotman: no but they do provide Debian packages for Wheezy :) |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | Wolowitz_: which we do not support, no recommend |
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| 21:20.15 | Strife89 | I'd take that over GNOME3. |
| 21:20.16 | ENK|2 | hello, Wheezy is sid or now stable? |
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| 21:20.35 | abrotman | ENK|2: /topic |
| 21:20.45 | abrotman | Strife89: that's great, it's not supported here, good luck |
| 21:20.47 | Strife89 | Absolutely everything about it so far goes against the way I use my machine |
| 21:20.49 | dvs | !topicsmite ENK|2 |
| 21:20.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ENK|2. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 21:21.06 | Wolowitz_ | So there is a rule in here that users can't recommend software that doesn't exist in the Debian repository? |
| 21:21.06 | abrotman | Strife89: honetly, you'd do better to find a WM or DE with a viable future |
| 21:21.17 | abrotman | Wolowitz_: ones that conflict with Debian packages and cause problems? |
| 21:21.34 | ENK|2 | mm ok thanks |
| 21:21.45 | vaillor | daemonkeeper: http://pastebin.com/rudi3K4h |
| 21:21.48 | vaillor | do you know why? |
| 21:21.54 | Kamilion | a viable future is one where the software runs properly on my machine, the way I want to run my machine. :D |
| 21:21.58 | Arrowmaster | ive tried mate on debian, i honestly thought it was rather poorly done with all the copies of libraries it requires, instead im using cinnamon from the debian repos now |
| 21:22.23 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: not available for wheezy sadly |
| 21:22.45 | Arrowmaster | it will be in jessie though |
| 21:22.48 | abrotman | Kamilion: and if the software is no longer updated to run on newer OSes? |
| 21:22.54 | Arrowmaster | why does that sound so dirty |
| 21:23.12 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: I couldn't figure out how to add and move panels in cinnamon, went back to xfce after 10 minutes |
| 21:23.26 | Kamilion | abrotman: then install the missing dependancies and keep it running. You act like my xevil binary from redhat 4.2 suddenly stops working post kernel 3.x |
| 21:23.32 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: i didnt figure that out in gnome3 either |
| 21:23.32 | Strife89 | abrotman: People still use Windoze XP. Guess why. :/ |
| 21:23.34 | abrotman | Kamilion: it may |
| 21:23.45 | aguitel | how delete all printer jobs ? |
| 21:23.51 | abrotman | Strife89: because they don't care about running an unsupported proprietary OS? :) |
| 21:23.57 | Kamilion | reasonably, I do expect problems with old glibc/new glibc |
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| 21:24.19 | Strife89 | abrotman: My argument was going to be that they need it to run old software ... >.< |
| 21:24.26 | Kamilion | but nothing stops you from checking out an old git tag and rebuilding it. there's always apt-src. |
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| 21:24.45 | abrotman | Strife89: not likely |
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| 21:24.50 | Kamilion | now, if you lack the skills to do that, that isn't exactly our problem ;3 |
| 21:25.00 | daemonkeeper | vaillor: You are using the virtualbox package which is unsupported in this channel. You could just install virtualbox-guest-dkms and virtualbox-guest-utils. |
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| 21:25.08 | Strife89 | abrotman: I do. Old games, mostly. |
| 21:25.25 | Kamilion | dosbox \o/ |
| 21:26.09 | abrotman | Kamilion: the only game i want to work in dosbox doesn't seem to |
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| 21:26.24 | abrotman | tries every six months or so |
| 21:26.29 | Strife89 | DOSbox don't work for Roller Coaster Tycoon |
| 21:27.00 | abrotman | not that |
| 21:27.04 | vaillor | daemonkeeper, i need linux-headers |
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| 21:27.08 | vaillor | how to install them? |
| 21:27.13 | vaillor | http://pastebin.com/DuNZF3gE |
| 21:27.21 | daemonkeeper | By installing headers matching your kernel. |
| 21:27.22 | vaillor | i found these packets with apt-cache |
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| 21:28.24 | sam101 | no one can help me? |
| 21:28.25 | Sevet | vaillor: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:28.36 | Strife89 | https://www.dropbox.com/sc/itw4k5kmt6er6sf/y8P3V0iAHl I find it alarming that I can no longer take screenshots. |
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| 21:29.25 | abrotman | sam101: use a pastebin to show us all of the errors and commands |
| 21:29.47 | Sevet | sam101: that's the final message saying there was an error, the actual error will be higher up |
| 21:29.57 | sam101 | ok i will pastebin |
| 21:29.58 | sam101 | thanks |
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| 21:30.52 | sam101 | please have a look http://pastebin.com/SSfw5bEP |
| 21:32.03 | abrotman | sam101: you're aware we have a new stable release, right ? |
| 21:32.27 | sam101 | i don't know that |
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| 21:32.51 | dvs | sam101: use "wheezy" instead of "stable" in your sources.list |
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| 21:32.56 | sam101 | i am just looking for a way to fix this so i can get this ruby installed |
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| 21:33.29 | jelly-home | dvs: whoa nelly, the rest of his system is probably squeeze |
| 21:33.30 | abrotman | depends how much he installed ... |
| 21:33.42 | Strife89 | Is XFCE not in Debian? |
| 21:33.44 | sam101 | please can you tell me what to do to fix this as i am not very clever on debian |
| 21:33.49 | Sevet | he's probably half way between the two |
| 21:33.57 | Sevet | upgrading might be the easiest way to fix it |
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| 21:34.08 | jelly-home | unlikely, given libc6 is only just being upgraded |
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| 21:34.15 | dvs | whoa his nelly |
| 21:34.28 | sam101 | Sevet: how do i do that please |
| 21:34.36 | zacts | is there a guide for upgrading from wheezy -current to 7.0 -stable without needing to reinstall the entire system? |
| 21:34.48 | Sevet | jelly-home: depending what else already got installed, sam101: is libc6 the only package you've installed/upgraded today? |
| 21:35.07 | sam101 | Sevet: no i have installed many things, doing updates |
| 21:35.12 | abrotman | no, it's saying it hasn't installed it yet? |
| 21:35.36 | sam101 | apt-get update |
| 21:35.58 | sam101 | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:35.59 | sam101 | also |
| 21:35.59 | jelly-home | uhhh.. or worse. Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 (using .../libc6_2.13-38_i386.deb) . |
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| 21:36.25 | zacts | sam101: was that for me? |
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| 21:36.43 | sam101 | zacts: no no |
| 21:36.44 | jelly-home | sam101: up until today, how long ago was this system updated? |
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| 21:37.06 | sam101 | jelly: i don't know that but today i tried updating things |
| 21:37.11 | zacts | I'll just do a clean reinstall. |
| 21:37.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zacts about squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:37.18 | sam101 | because i am looking to install ruby |
| 21:37.51 | jelly-home | sam101: it looks like a horribly old installation, with a somewhat broken sources.list -- that bug was fixed in... debian 5 |
| 21:38.07 | jelly-home | sam101: so your system is something like debian 4 or olds |
| 21:38.28 | Sevet | zacts: if you're already running wheezy installed from 'testing' or 'wheezy' then just check your sources.list either uses 'stable' or 'wheezy' |
| 21:38.35 | jelly-home | sam101: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 21:38.54 | sam101 | 3.1 |
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| 21:39.10 | dvs | O_O |
| 21:39.17 | sam101 | it looks old |
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| 21:39.57 | jelly-home | sam101: that version hasn't been supported since 2008. I suggest making a fresh installation and migrating apps and data slowly. |
| 21:40.01 | Arrowmaster | 3.1... isnt that like 12 years old? |
| 21:40.17 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 21:40.18 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch |
| 21:40.24 | Sevet | Arrowmaster: 8 years, EOL in 2008 |
| 21:40.34 | sam101 | can this be done on terminal |
| 21:40.49 | jhutchins_wk | sam101: I would also recommend a clean install. Having partially upgraded the system, there really is no path to a clean stable install from where you are now. |
| 21:40.50 | jelly-home | sam101: it can't be done on the same machine at all. |
| 21:40.55 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt really that far off |
| 21:41.27 | Arrowmaster | i guess my estimate of how long ive been using linux is off though |
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| 21:41.38 | sam101 | hm |
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| 21:42.00 | jhutchins_wk | sam101: If you had stepped through the releases one upgrade at a time it might have worked, but having "stable" in your sources means you have an unpredictable mix of packages, and the scripts to transition from one branch of software to something with a different name that does the same thing will not work. |
| 21:42.06 | jelly-home | !tell sam101 about sarge sources.list |
| 21:42.29 | usrnix | hi, trying to install skype on wheezy, dpkg saying it's i386 but skype's website claims it's multiarch, shouldn't this install despite me running amd64? |
| 21:42.45 | Arrowmaster | usrnix: you just need to enable multiarch |
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| 21:42.58 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell usrnix about multiarch |
| 21:43.00 | usrnix | Arrowmaster: oh? Isn't it by default with a fresh 7.0.0 install? |
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| 21:43.19 | Arrowmaster | usrnix: i dont think its enabled by default |
| 21:43.20 | usrnix | oh, thanks, will look into it more when i have the time |
| 21:43.29 | Arrowmaster | you just need to run a command |
| 21:43.32 | Viking667 | 'llo all. I'm on wheezy and trying to install google-chrome tells me it can't do so because of libc6 being 2.13 instead of >= 2.15 |
| 21:43.48 | Sevet | usrnix: by default you only have your main arch added, you then add the others you want, it's in the dpkg factoid Arrowmaster gave you |
| 21:43.51 | jelly-home | sam101: comment out or remove the active deb lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list and add only the two the bot told you about |
| 21:44.03 | usrnix | Arrowmaster: that worked thanks, mostly; dep problems but I don't expect that's related |
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| 21:44.11 | jelly-home | Viking667: complain to google. |
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| 21:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Viking667, there's chromium-browser in debian, which is chrome without the branding |
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| 21:44.37 | usrnix | Sevet: Thanks |
| 21:44.45 | Viking667 | I'm erm, on the testing branch (google-chrome-unstable. |
| 21:45.02 | jelly-home | Viking667: their google-chrome-stable and google-chrome-beta builds are still valid; apparently they broke something in google-chrome-unstable |
| 21:45.04 | Arrowmaster | Viking667: you can install stable or beta fine |
| 21:45.35 | jelly-home | nothing we can do about it... thus, tell the vendor about the bug |
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| 21:46.12 | sam101 | i did this jelly-home: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:46.13 | sam101 | :s |
| 21:46.22 | jelly-home | sam101: fuck no |
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| 21:46.28 | sam101 | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:46.31 | sam101 | do i stop it? |
| 21:46.33 | jhutchins_wk | Why are people confused by the fact that "unstable" means "may break or be broken"? |
| 21:46.47 | jelly-home | sam101: yes, if you want the system working |
| 21:46.53 | sam101 | yes |
| 21:46.55 | sam101 | ok great |
| 21:46.59 | sam101 | let me follow you |
| 21:47.27 | jhutchins_wk | sam101: Is there data on this system that you want to access in the future? |
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| 21:47.55 | sam101 | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 21:48.25 | jhutchins_wk | sam101: I would strongly suggest that you back it up before you do ANYTHING else. |
| 21:48.47 | drhouse123 | hi! i want to install wheezy but no sure about working Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C in debian |
| 21:48.48 | dvs | waits for the refrain |
| 21:48.57 | usrnix | omg seeing jessie in packages.debian.org, the future! |
| 21:49.03 | dvs | drhouse123: that'll work |
| 21:49.20 | epsilon | drhouse123: standard chip, no prob |
| 21:49.41 | drhouse123 | oh, nice |
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| 21:50.19 | jhutchins_wk | sam101: You're a bit out on a limb, and you've already started sawing through the branch behind you. |
| 21:50.51 | sam101 | jelly-home: told me to do something which i did but now what do i do |
| 21:50.51 | sam101 | : |
| 21:50.53 | sam101 | :S |
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| 21:51.30 | sorressean | I upgraded to latest stable and as with previous upgrades someone totally busted mysql. it refuses to start and I can't figure out why. Is there a way to see more messages on dpkg --configure? |
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| 21:52.03 | nkuttler | sorressean: check the mysql log first |
| 21:52.17 | jelly-home | sam101: got the sarge sources back? run apt-get update; pastebin the contents of "apt-cache policy libc6 base-files dpkg" |
| 21:52.18 | sorressean | /var/log/mysql.log or mysql.err shows nothing |
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| 21:52.55 | sam101 | Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 21:52.57 | Strife89 | Hmmm, Debian no longer seems to consider my touchpad a touchpad. I can't scroll by sliding the side anymore, and toggling the setting (visible only in GNOME) does nothing. |
| 21:53.05 | epsilon | check the databases with mysql tools |
| 21:53.17 | sam101 | what is doing this now |
| 21:53.20 | jelly-home | sam101: are there any dpkg or apt-get processes still running? |
| 21:53.25 | sorressean | sam101: are you root? |
| 21:53.28 | sam101 | no |
| 21:53.37 | sam101 | i am root, and i stoped that update from previous |
| 21:53.42 | jelly-home | sam101: ps -fe | egrep 'dpkg|apt' |
| 21:53.43 | sam101 | maybe is still running |
| 21:53.50 | sorressean | epsilon: I can't start mysql to check the databases... |
| 21:54.01 | usrnix | any common fixes to get microphone working? |
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| 21:54.19 | epsilon | sorressean: use comand line tools of mysql |
| 21:54.27 | sam101 | is still saying somethig is using it |
| 21:54.28 | sorressean | mysql -is not- running... |
| 21:54.33 | dvs | Strife89: try using two fingers |
| 21:54.33 | nkuttler | sorressean: try running mysqld --verbose |
| 21:54.38 | sam101 | i did this ps -fe | egrep 'dpkg|apt and nothing |
| 21:54.50 | sorressean | nysqld --verbose |
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| 21:55.27 | sorressean | it gave me an error about running as root, which makes sense. is there a group it installs to by default? |
| 21:55.45 | jelly-home | sam101: ookay, what about fuser /var/lib/dpkg/* |
| 21:55.48 | sam101 | ok i killed the pid, doing apt-get update now |
| 21:56.22 | nkuttler | sorressean: there is a mysql group.. |
| 21:56.33 | jelly-home | sam101: huh, which process did you kill if ps showed it wasn't either dpkg or anything with apt in the name? |
| 21:56.34 | sorressean | weird, I can't su to mysql |
| 21:56.40 | nkuttler | sorressean: also check the init script i guess |
| 21:56.41 | sorressean | ah. shell is probably false. |
| 21:57.01 | jiohdi | anyone having problems with pulse audio starting off scratchy for a couple of moments and sometimes clearing up |
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| 21:58.16 | UltraHatomiK | hello |
| 21:58.26 | sam101 | http://pastebin.com/BU5mZuZq |
| 21:58.29 | UltraHatomiK | search about make kernel on arm A13 with debian |
| 21:58.32 | sorressean | nods, reading through init scripts now |
| 21:58.50 | sorressean | god this is a mess. you'd assume the idiots maintaining mysql could fix it, this happens every upgrade |
| 21:59.15 | jelly-home | UltraHatomiK: allwinner A13? |
| 21:59.21 | UltraHatomiK | yes |
| 21:59.47 | UltraHatomiK | 3.7 or > |
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| 22:00.04 | abrotman | or an alligator? |
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| 22:00.07 | jelly-home | UltraHatomiK: visit the links in the topic of #linux-sunxi channel, ask there if you can't find anything |
| 22:00.34 | UltraHatomiK | sunxi is 3.4..... |
| 22:00.42 | UltraHatomiK | not a debian way |
| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | and yet, they're the people picking the vendor's mess and upstreaming it slowly |
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| 22:02.00 | UltraHatomiK | small mk802x and other have 3.8 kernel, sunxi is old old old |
| 22:02.15 | sam101 | jelly-home: please have a look at my pastebin http://pastebin.com/BU5mZuZq |
| 22:02.43 | jelly-home | !tell sam101 about dynamic mmap |
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| 22:03.12 | UltraHatomiK | ok |
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| 22:04.21 | usrnix | what's a good archive extrator gui prgoram? |
| 22:04.37 | Viking667 | 7zip |
| 22:04.52 | Viking667 | I literally don't suggest anything else. |
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| 22:05.12 | usrnix | Viking667: that's only officially for windows |
| 22:05.29 | usrnix | eh it's in the repos so I'll use it then |
| 22:05.40 | sam101 | i am sorry for beein a pain |
| 22:05.44 | sam101 | but this is coming up no |
| 22:05.46 | sam101 | now* |
| 22:05.47 | sam101 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:05.54 | usrnix | hehe |
| 22:05.54 | jiohdi | usrnix get thunar and thunar-archive-plugin it will give you extract here as a menu item |
| 22:06.24 | usrnix | jiohdi: ah yea thanks, am on gnome3(didnt install it but its there apparently lol) but ill probably go xfce4 since my cpu is getting eaten up my gnome |
| 22:06.41 | MrFrood | xarchiver perhaps? |
| 22:06.43 | jiohdi | usrnix, I use lxde |
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| 22:06.56 | usrnix | jiohdi: too lite for me |
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| 22:07.13 | jiohdi | usrnix, in what way? I find it superior to xfce |
| 22:08.13 | jiohdi | usrnix, especially in the ease of adding launchers to the panel |
| 22:08.26 | usrnix | jiohdi: yea but interface is too minimal for a desktop i feel |
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| 22:08.45 | jiohdi | usrnix, I really see very little difference |
| 22:09.13 | jiohdi | can't beat the speed |
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| 22:09.57 | jiohdi | I have also found xfce4 to be unstable, after about 4 reboots, things are out of wack |
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| 22:10.08 | jiohdi | at least in the past |
| 22:10.52 | jelly-home | sam101: verify there's no leftover apt process again |
| 22:11.13 | sam101 | ok |
| 22:11.47 | sam101 | still same |
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| 22:12.53 | sam101 | i run ps -fe | egrep 'dpkg|apt' |
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| 22:13.03 | sam101 | and fuser /var/lib/dpkg/* |
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| 22:14.08 | jiohdi | sam101, are you using a root terminal? |
| 22:14.16 | sam101 | yes |
| 22:14.18 | sam101 | i am root |
| 22:14.54 | jiohdi | sam101, I just had a similar problem, I typed exit and it said there are stopped programs and I typed exit again, the terminal exited and I restarted and the problem was gone |
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| 22:15.19 | jimcooncat | Do you know how well xfce and gnome3 coexist? I'll be doing a fresh install and think I'd like to try both if they won't stomp on each other. |
| 22:15.55 | sam101 | jiohdi: that worked |
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| 22:23.02 | petn-randall | I'm using xfce on wheezy, haven't had a single crash in the last 4 months. |
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| 22:23.51 | jiohdi | petn-randall, I never had a crash with xfce4 but I could not rely on it to keep its settings after about 4 reboots, but that was a while ago |
| 22:23.56 | dvs | petn-randall: but wheezy has only been out for one day! ;-P |
| 22:24.30 | jiohdi | has been using wheezy for at least 1 month |
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| 22:27.26 | jimcooncat | opinions please: fresh wheeze install then merge old /home back in, or upgrade in place squeeze to wheezy? Have basic Opteron with stock software plus Chrome. |
| 22:27.56 | penguin42 | jimcooncat: Upgrade, and if it goes wrong you can always do a fresh install (but it won't) |
| 22:28.09 | dvs | jimcooncat: if you're running squeeze, I'd upgrade. |
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| 22:29.30 | sam101 | http://pastebin.com/Z5AgAQNq now this |
| 22:29.31 | jimcooncat | penguin42: dvs: That sounds like a plan. Would I get a chance in new functionality (I use xfce) even keeping my old /home config entries? |
| 22:29.41 | fenris_kcf | how to set the concrete keyboard-layout in the installer of wheezy? (setting the group doesn't suffice for me) |
| 22:30.03 | penguin42 | jimcooncat: Not sure, don't use xfce much, tends to occasionally get messy with old config files - I'd say keep the old ones unless you run into trouble |
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| 22:32.18 | usrnix | how do I stop x11 loading, may have borked ati drivers |
| 22:33.13 | fenris_kcf | recovery mode |
| 22:33.38 | usrnix | oh yea |
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| 22:35.16 | bla | Have anyone migrated LXC system from squeeze to wheezy? There was much better lxc support in wheezy at the time, yet I managed to run it on squeeze. Will migration cause some pains? |
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| 22:35.34 | penguin42 | usrnix: Try ctrl-alt-f1 and if you can get a text console then you can probably stop the display manager |
| 22:36.13 | usrnix | penguin42: I did it didn't work, not sure why |
| 22:36.20 | usrnix | all black |
| 22:36.21 | penguin42 | yeh then recovery |
| 22:36.25 | usrnix | ok thanks |
| 22:37.50 | lokote_jones | Can't get the linux native version of BuildAWorld to even run; but its updating in Wine. :<( Le-Sigh |
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| 22:38.15 | peterrooney | jimcooncat: additional caveat: programs have been known to alter their config formats. have a backup of /home somewhere about until you've vetted everything you rely on. |
| 22:38.17 | usrnix | is GNOME bad at using the GPU because it was using a fair bit of CPU while I had the proprietary(forgiveme) ati drivers installed or might I have done it wrong? |
| 22:38.52 | lokote_jones | usrnix: I use the prop-ATI drivers on my laptop and it doesn't use any extra CPU. |
| 22:40.04 | usrnix | lokote_jones: strange |
| 22:40.25 | jimcooncat | peterrooney: would you suggest I try programs first and let them make their own config entries, then copy mine back in? Or copy my old home in first before running gui programs? |
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| 22:43.08 | rantic | Has anyone installed the proprietary nvidia drivers? Is this (www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-latest-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-6-0-squeeze.html) the easiest route for me to take or is there a project/script that simplifies it further? Still a newbie :) |
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| 22:50.13 | zykotick9 | rantic: are you using squeeze or wheezy? |
| 22:50.37 | rantic | zykotick9: wheezy |
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| 22:51.27 | zykotick9 | rantic: see "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" |
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| 22:57.29 | grimeton | does somebody know DEVMAX of pci-e? |
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| 22:58.29 | usrnix | hi, I installed amd/ati drivers from amd.com and now my screen stays black, how do i remove them? ^^; |
| 22:58.47 | grimeton | usrnix: switch to console by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 and remove them |
| 22:59.59 | usrnix | how can I increase the console's buffer so lists don't get cut off? |
| 23:00.16 | penguin42 | grimeton: I think it's pretty damn big - I think there are machines with hundreds of PCIe slots |
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| 23:00.29 | grimeton | penguin42: hm yeah just found a solution |
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| 23:00.32 | grimeton | penguin42: pci-e switches |
| 23:00.40 | penguin42 | grimeton: Yeh - wth are you trying to do? |
| 23:00.47 | grimeton | penguin42: just reading |
| 23:01.22 | penguin42 | grimeton: There are PCIe switch chips, there are also some PCIe virtualisation systems which take PCIe out of the chassis to switches that connect multiple machines together; also there are external PCIe expansion chassis |
| 23:01.34 | penguin42 | grimeton: There is also the first signs of PCIe based disk-shaped SSDs |
| 23:01.50 | grimeton | hm yeah and thunderbolt |
| 23:01.58 | penguin42 | true |
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| 23:02.02 | usrnix | How can I find a recently installed package? I want to find the name of a bad driver I installed and can't figure it out |
| 23:02.09 | grimeton | i was just wondering about MAXDEV, but as switches can create new interconnect points ... |
| 23:02.29 | penguin42 | grimeton: I assume there are limits somewhere |
| 23:02.48 | grimeton | penguin42: yeah, i'd assume the 64bits address space |
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| 23:03.16 | grimeton | brb |
| 23:03.22 | penguin42 | no! |
| 23:03.28 | penguin42 | you can have multiple address spaces |
| 23:04.01 | oT-web | Hi, I can't get my network configured after installing wheezy. It's a base install with just system utilities selected |
| 23:04.18 | usrnix | can anyone tell me what 'unkown key 30005 pressed' (and 10005) means? Im not pressing anything |
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| 23:08.17 | zykotick9 | oT-web: wired/wireless? are you using /etc/network/interfaces or something else (N-M or wicd)? |
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| 23:09.09 | oT-web | zykotick9: wired, /etc/network/interfaces. I'm going for a static ip but I can't get it working that way or with dhcp |
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| 23:09.48 | zykotick9 | oT-web: is "ifconfig -a" showing your interface currently? |
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| 23:10.23 | usrnix | how can I say remove any package with fglrx in it with dpkg? |
| 23:11.28 | oT-web | zykotick9: yes, just no sent or received packets |
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| 23:11.30 | bazzer | silly question but...i installed some systems via preseed and pointed the proxy to apt-cacher-ng during the install...all that works fine...but how does one make it so the clients when done installing do NOT reference the proxy? |
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| 23:12.04 | zykotick9 | oT-web: can you paste your interfaces file (not pastebin.com please)? |
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| 23:12.41 | zykotick9 | bazzer: remove the proxy line from /etc/apt/apt.conf perhaps? |
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| 23:13.23 | bazzer | zykotick9: ya but that makes each client fetch packages during install time from the net... |
| 23:13.56 | zykotick9 | bazzer: i guess i don't understand your question/issue then... |
| 23:13.59 | bazzer | zykotick9: my /etc/apt/sources.list is littered with cache.example.com:3142 |
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| 23:14.44 | zykotick9 | bazzer: OH, ya, i just use a single entry in apt.conf for my apt-cacher-ng proxy, if you have it all through your sources.list - then that is what will need to be changed. |
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| 23:15.58 | bazzer | zykotick9: ah well i'm trying to preseed install some servers and to prevent downloading all the packages each time i used apt-cacher-ng to avoid that problem which all in all works perfectly but after the install each machine has their apt sources pointed at the cache...i'd like it to be not pointing at the cache :) |
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| 23:17.36 | zykotick9 | bazzer: i'd recommend you switch from editing sources.list, to using a single line in apt.conf like = Acquire::http::Proxy "http://foobar:3142/"; |
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| 23:17.53 | bazzer | zykotick9: oh i did in never did edit single lines |
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| 23:18.44 | bazzer | zykotick9: what i'm saying is that when the install is finished they try to hit the cache for updates but since i'll be moving this machines to a different network i need them to get updates off the net |
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| 23:19.43 | zykotick9 | bazzer: right, so after install is finished and your down with the apt-cacher server, you could remove the one entry in apt.conf... done. |
| 23:19.51 | zykotick9 | s/down/done/ |
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| 23:20.15 | n-iCe | how would I remove gnome3 ? |
| 23:20.41 | dvs | n-iCe: and have no gui? |
| 23:20.57 | n-iCe | yup |
| 23:20.59 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: same way you uninstall anything else? |
| 23:21.01 | n-iCe | I will install lxde later |
| 23:21.06 | bazzer | zykotick9: well that's what i thought....but if i examine my /etc/apt/sources.list its got lines pointing to the cache for just about everything |
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| 23:21.17 | n-iCe | zykotick9: but what's the metapacket packagane name to uninstall EVERYTHING |
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| 23:21.27 | zykotick9 | bazzer: that's something you've done... re:sources.list |
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| 23:21.42 | zykotick9 | n-iCe: i'd start with "gnome" myself ;) |
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| 23:21.48 | bazzer | zykotick9: nope unless its something i bordked in the preseed file? |
| 23:22.17 | dvs | !remove gnome |
| 23:22.17 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 23:22.22 | zykotick9 | bazzer: could be, but you're basically using a non-standard method to using an apt-cacher server |
| 23:22.31 | dvs | oops |
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| 23:22.38 | oT-web | zykotick9: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5637055/ (sorry, only website I could remember) |
| 23:22.45 | bazzer | zykotick9: ah |
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| 23:23.16 | n-iCe | tyat's gnome 2.x |
| 23:23.18 | n-iCe | that's |
| 23:23.19 | n-iCe | !purge |
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| 23:23.19 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 23:23.39 | bazzer | zykotick9: definitely don't want to edit each sources.list and line by line fix things like deb http://cache.example.com/ etc etc |
| 23:24.05 | n-iCe | I think is libgtk-3-common |
| 23:24.21 | n-iCe | and gnome-icon-theme-extras |
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| 23:25.36 | zykotick9 | oT-web: i'd try adding a broadcast and network lines... but what you have looks "ok" to me (syntax wise, besides the 2 additions already suggested) |
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| 23:26.00 | bazzer | zykotick9: all i did was install apt-cacher on the preseed server and put d-i mirror/http/proxy string cache.example.com:3142 and install...first install put packages in the cache and each install after simply picked them up from there but it made a mess of my install's sources.list :) |
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| 23:26.47 | zykotick9 | bazzer: sorry, i have zero experience with preseed, so have no idea how it affects regular apt-cacher usage? good luck. |
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| 23:27.29 | bazzer | zykotick9: me either...thanks though |
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| 23:28.38 | oT-web | zykotick9: I see nothing about network lines in the manpage |
| 23:28.46 | Cultist | if I was running wheezy while it was still testing, am I now just automatically running stable or do I have to do anything to move to stable? |
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| 23:31.16 | dvs | Cultist: it totally depends what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 23:32.17 | Cultist | wheezy and wheezy-updates |
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| 23:32.57 | dvs | Cultist: then you dont have to do anything to be in stable |
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| 23:35.10 | jelly-home | sam101: well, have you read the dynamic mmap suggestion by dpkg? If it didn't work, try in creaing the number |
| 23:35.24 | jelly-home | increasing it |
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| 23:36.31 | zykotick9 | oT-web: you're right. sorry, guess that "old" method (with netmask, i did always consider it sorta redundant) |
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| 23:37.17 | oT-web | zykotick9: on boot, the system fails to bring up eth0 as the device is busy |
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| 23:38.04 | zykotick9 | oT-web: busy interface... i've never come across that before... i got nothin', sorry. good luck. |
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| 23:38.33 | oT-web | back to squeeze it is lol |
| 23:38.34 | jelly-home | sam101: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 23:38.42 | xmx | hello, so i just went to update my squeeze to wheezy, which went wrong and lost everything -_-. I just did a frsh install of wheezy, but wireless is not working. I solved it last time with backports, but that doesn't seem to be the case this time. Can anyone help? I am using an acer aspire timelineX |
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| 23:39.11 | sam101 | jelly-home: still trying to fix |
| 23:39.15 | sam101 | trying all sorts |
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| 23:40.33 | n-iCe | Ok I have no deskto environment |
| 23:41.16 | MrFrood | n-iCe: so install one |
| 23:42.16 | n-iCe | MrFrood: I think i'm going to install a window manager instead a desktop environment |
| 23:42.24 | n-iCe | openbox seems pretty with tint2 conky etc |
| 23:42.32 | MrFrood | n-iCe: YAY |
| 23:42.46 | MrFrood | n-iCe: that's the way I do it |
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| 23:43.23 | n-iCe | awesome, done, installed openbox, I need a login manager I think, which one do you use? |
| 23:43.44 | MrFrood | n-iCe: the whole point of openbox imho is no bar at the bottom top of the screen, loose the tint2 |
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| 23:45.09 | n-iCe | MrFrood: what login manager do you use? gdm? |
| 23:45.46 | Amiga-OS | Hey, has anybody got any battery saving tips? I'm running debian testing with i3wm and an undervolted CPU. |
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| 23:47.38 | MrFrood | damn gone before i could answer |
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| 23:49.12 | zykotick9 | MrFrood: do you use a DM? i'd be kinda surprised... |
| 23:49.33 | sam101 | ldconfing |
| 23:49.36 | sam101 | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 23:49.36 | sam101 | Segmentation fault |
| 23:49.49 | penguin42 | sam101: what on? |
| 23:49.59 | sam101 | debian |
| 23:50.03 | MrFrood | openbox normally, but playing with pekwm as it's a long weekend here |
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| 23:50.10 | n-iCe | I'm back |
| 23:50.10 | MrFrood | zykotick9: ^^^ |
| 23:50.17 | penguin42 | sam101: Which debian, what hardware? |
| 23:50.23 | jelly-home | penguin42: fucked up debian 3.1 with a debian 7 libc6 |
| 23:50.27 | n-iCe | MrFrood: how do I enable the mouse pad |
| 23:50.46 | sam101 | Setting up libgcc1 (3.4.3-13sarge1) ... |
| 23:50.47 | sam101 | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 23:50.47 | zykotick9 | MrFrood: openbox is a WM, not a DM ;) |
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| 23:51.07 | penguin42 | jelly-home: Oh well.... |
| 23:51.09 | MrFrood | good point |
| 23:51.15 | jelly-home | sam101: what did you do? Why is it setting up things? |
| 23:51.27 | loaden | gnome-shell + lightdm seems great! |
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| 23:51.47 | lokote_jones | Are there any open source, stable, REAL, and easilly ran MMORPGS for debian? Preferably something in synaptic or a .deb file? All I want is a dang game! =( |
| 23:51.48 | jelly-home | sam101: you were only told to do an update and show some apt-cache policy output... |
| 23:51.56 | MrFrood | zykotick9: , n-iCe ... lightdm on my main machine, staartx on my other box |
| 23:52.20 | MrFrood | (but that's still running squeeze |
| 23:52.31 | sam101 | jelly-home: i think i messed this one up http://pastebin.com/uHNBc8TG |
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| 23:53.18 | MrFrood | n-iCe: are you useing a desktop or laptop? |
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| 23:53.36 | n-iCe | MrFrood: laptop |
| 23:53.49 | jelly-home | sam101: that sources.list is correct, even though dpkg told you to add "deb" lines only, not "deb-src" |
| 23:54.36 | MrFrood | n-iCe: investigate what the middle mouseclick does in openbox and asign it to a keyboard shortcut and you wont really need tint |
| 23:55.42 | sam101 | now it's saying that the kernel is old |
| 23:55.55 | jelly-home | sam101: what did you do? Why is it setting up things? |
| 23:56.11 | sam101 | before it was saying i din't have libc6 |
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| 23:56.38 | sam101 | all i have been doing is aptitude update |
| 23:56.47 | sam101 | and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 23:57.02 | jelly-home | sam101: congrats, you messed up the system |
| 23:57.17 | sam101 | :( i thought so |
| 23:57.44 | jelly-home | sam101: you'll have to boot from a working live image, download sarge libc6 and install it manually |
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| 23:58.53 | Owner | how can i install llvm 3.2 in wheezy |
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| 23:59.15 | jelly-home | sam101: all of that will leave you at the starting point, with a really old debian and no ruby |
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| 23:59.30 | Owner | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=llvm-3.2 |
| 23:59.39 | penguin42 | jelly-home: it's interesting - is there anything defined as what the oldest debian you can dist-upgrade from safely is? |
