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| 00:06.01 | p3rror | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:06.09 | p3rror | abrotman, even I have ethtool |
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| 00:07.49 | p3rror | abrotman, I mean with ethtool how to verify |
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| 00:11.51 | abrotman | p3rror: did you read the man page? it tells you how |
| 00:11.58 | p3rror | nop I read it |
| 00:12.00 | p3rror | thanks |
| 00:12.05 | p3rror | ethtool -i eth0 |
| 00:12.16 | p3rror | show the bus and the driver |
| 00:12.33 | abrotman | got what you need? |
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| 00:13.28 | p3rror | abrotman, yes |
| 00:13.35 | p3rror | abrotman, =) |
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| 00:16.16 | edavis | Hello all. When attempting to use `screen irssi`, I receive an error stating that there are no PTYs available. Every guide that I find refers me to changing the permissions of /dev/ptmx. Unfortunately, there is no /dev/ptmx on my box (this is a brand new build). Is there a reason why? Or any other suggestions? |
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| 00:22.33 | bronaugh | hm; so, we're having trouble installing Debian using UEFI. it installs fine, boots from the CD fine, installs grub in uefi mode, and then won't actually boot. |
| 00:22.50 | bronaugh | it just hangs when we try and boot. |
| 00:23.04 | bronaugh | (no text; just black screen) |
| 00:23.30 | bronaugh | anyone else experienced this and/or know how to get around it? the current thing we're trying is switching to grub-pc. |
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| 00:24.22 | roboman2444 | Supaplex, http://paste.debian.net/2789/ |
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| 00:26.14 | edavis | Hello all. When attempting to use `screen irssi`, I receive an error stating that there are no PTYs available. Every guide that I find refers me to changing the permissions of /dev/ptmx. Unfortunately, there is no /dev/ptmx on my box (this is a brand new build). Is there a reason why? Or any other suggestions? |
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| 00:30.36 | roboman2444 | Hi, is there a GOOD way to have debian automatically connect to a list of known wifi networks? |
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| 00:31.59 | deego | edavis: Tried /dev/pts ? |
| 00:32.12 | smw | roboman2444, network-manager? |
| 00:32.24 | bronaugh | ... and now it's booting. yay flaky UEFI shit. |
| 00:32.25 | Parhs8 | nope |
| 00:32.28 | roboman2444 | smw, something really small |
| 00:32.33 | bronaugh | (nothing changed) |
| 00:32.34 | roboman2444 | im not running a gui |
| 00:32.53 | deego | edavis: To narrow the problem, pingDoes screen work as root? |
| 00:32.56 | smw | roboman2444, network-manager doesn't require a gui |
| 00:32.57 | deego | s/ping// |
| 00:33.13 | edavis | deego: yes sir |
| 00:33.16 | roboman2444 | smw, well i found something else... |
| 00:33.34 | edavis | (it does work as root) |
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| 00:33.54 | smw | roboman2444, there is also wicd |
| 00:34.15 | smw | roboman2444, wicd has a curses interface that works well |
| 00:34.16 | roboman2444 | smw, i use wicd on my laptop |
| 00:34.30 | roboman2444 | and i want this to be completely automated |
| 00:34.37 | smw | roboman2444, sowhy not use it on this headless box too? |
| 00:34.56 | roboman2444 | yes |
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| 00:35.31 | deego | edavis: Ah, Try /dev/pts. :) |
| 00:37.11 | deego | edavis: A better alternative might be: adduser <you> tty |
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| 00:43.20 | edavis | 20:37:09 <deego> edavis: A better alternative might be: adduser <you> tty ---- I still receive the same issue |
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| 00:43.49 | deego | edavis: Re-logged in? Type groups to make sure you are member of tty |
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| 00:44.07 | edavis | eric tty |
| 00:44.16 | edavis | and yes I re-logged\ |
| 00:44.56 | edavis | I also gave /dev/pts a chmod 666 |
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| 00:46.01 | deego | edavis: Will you apt-get install debootstrap? |
| 00:46.14 | deego | It should create /dev/ptmx from what I read. |
| 00:46.56 | edavis | It didn't create it |
| 00:47.27 | edavis | should I chmod 666 to all of the pty*? |
| 00:47.50 | deego | Yeah, I'd try /dev/pty/[0-9] |
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| 00:48.00 | deego | err, pts* |
| 00:48.42 | edavis | Lol that worked |
| 00:48.47 | edavis | Thank you & sorry! |
| 00:48.50 | edavis | I appreciate it |
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| 00:49.11 | deego | edavis: Glad it worked. (I'm no expert, as you can tell.) Best. :) |
| 00:49.23 | edavis | :P |
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| 00:53.23 | optraz | hi, i follow the instruction from dpkg using wheezy->jessie directive, however, when i do lsb_release -a, i still see wheezy? |
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| 00:54.06 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:54.11 | abrotman | yes, you will |
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| 00:56.53 | optraz | abrotman: okay, but it does not work for me unfortunately |
| 00:57.08 | optraz | abrotman: could you help , why is that ? |
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| 01:00.13 | phix | Good day abrotman, how are you this morning? |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | optraz: it's correct |
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| 01:01.01 | optraz | abrotman: what is correct? |
| 01:01.07 | abrotman | optraz: the output you're seeing |
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| 01:01.51 | optraz | abrotman: huh? you would expect to see jessie instead of wheezy even though apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade is performed? |
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| 01:03.28 | abrotman | optraz: jessie has existed for .. two days? |
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| 01:03.40 | ex-parrot | can anyone tell me if aptitude supports multiarch? it looks like it doesn't support the apt-get syntax at least... |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | optraz: if you want to keep digging, that's your decision .. good luck |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | ex-parrot: which versoin of Debian ? |
| 01:04.08 | ex-parrot | abrotman: wheezy of course :) |
| 01:04.31 | abrotman | ex-parrot: it shuld |
| 01:04.36 | optraz | abrotman: :-) , not really in favor of digging. just trying to understand better jessie packaging status. thank you anyway |
| 01:05.16 | ex-parrot | abrotman: thanks, I guess I'm doing something wrong :) |
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| 01:05.39 | ex-parrot | how did wine work before multiarch? I thought it went 64 bit ages ago |
| 01:06.12 | abrotman | ia32-libs |
| 01:06.17 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: there was an ia32-libs package which had all of the 32 bit libraries. |
| 01:06.36 | Isvara | I have a kernel cmdline that looks like this http://dpaste.org/h2sw5/ but the installer doesn't even attempt to use the preseed file. It doesn't even try to DHCP. What should I be looking at? |
| 01:07.34 | Isvara | (This is from Foreman, if it's at all relevant.) |
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| 01:07.56 | ex-parrot | thanks dondelelcaro / abrotman, not sure how I missed that at the time |
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| 01:13.56 | roboman2444 | what is the best way to start a script at boot? |
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| 01:14.07 | roboman2444 | and by the way, this script will never finish, its a loop thing |
| 01:14.26 | abrotman | !tell roboman2444 about run at startup |
| 01:14.43 | roboman2444 | ok thanks |
| 01:15.29 | BJfreeman | I have bedian 7 on a allwinners chip tomcat did not install right, so apt-get removed tomcat6. is there anything else I can do to remove files that so the install will work |
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| 01:15.45 | Dewin | I have an hours-old debian 7 amd64 netinst install running on Virtualbox and I'm experiencing kernel panics on boot complaining about "initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compressed archive". the odd part is I get different errors (sometimes something about cpio magic and one other (rare) error) on different booting attempts with no changes in between boots... |
| 01:16.13 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:16.31 | zykotick9 | !tell BJfreeman about purge |
| 01:16.55 | Artemis3 | Does anyone has a sample preseed with mate repository? i seem to be running into trouble (its ignoring my d-i apt-setup/local0/ lines) would like to have a wheezy preinstalled with mate |
| 01:17.04 | BJfreeman | thanks |
| 01:18.21 | Dewin | Any idea what might be going on? It seems like a disk issue, yet I don't think that's possible given the setup (and that only initramfs seems to be affected) |
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| 01:21.06 | micros | hello. i am trying to generate a core dump and the core doesnt seem to get created. I set the ulimit to unlimited. Any ideas? (Raspbian / Debian). Thanks. |
| 01:21.22 | Isvara | What do I need to put on the kernel command line to stop the installer asking me which keymap to use? |
| 01:21.39 | vacho | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc |
| 01:21.45 | vacho | i am following that guide, but it seems not to be working. |
| 01:22.23 | vacho | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.31 | vacho | do I need to use a different id? |
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| 01:23.16 | zykotick9 | vacho: be sure your wireless (wlan0 is most likely) is working first... |
| 01:23.35 | vacho | zykotick9: how? |
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| 01:24.13 | zykotick9 | vacho: does "/sbin/ifconfig -a" show your wireless? |
| 01:24.20 | debdeb | Isvara: if its a installer-cd... i remember there is a file like "cheatcode..." with kernel-options on boot. maybe that helps |
| 01:24.44 | debdeb | but i may be wrong |
| 01:24.51 | vacho | no it does not..how do I insall my wireless |
| 01:25.05 | Isvara | It's not from a CD, it's via Foreman. |
| 01:25.28 | debdeb | that doesnt tell me anything |
| 01:25.28 | zykotick9 | vacho: use "lspci -nn" to find the PCIID it'll look like [xxxx:xxxx] |
| 01:26.11 | zykotick9 | vacho: oh wait, it it USB? |
| 01:26.31 | vacho | zykotick9: it's actually a virtual environment through virtualbox on a macbook pro |
| 01:26.44 | zykotick9 | vacho: good luck. |
| 01:26.49 | vacho | zykotick9: it will be hard? |
| 01:27.30 | micros | anyone know how to enable core dumps? |
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| 01:28.27 | Isvara | vacho: You just get a virtual ethernet interface in VirtualBox. IIRC, there's no option to create a fake wifi interface. |
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| 01:28.49 | vacho | IIRC????? |
| 01:28.51 | phox | so, it kinda looks like Wheezy's installer is buggering up UEFI boot config... on a machine that will boot from UEFI on CD/USB/whatever else, it boots intermittently (few % of the time) into the "debian"-labeled UEFI boot option, and when I catch it, it definitely flashes "Welcome to GRUB" on the screen or whatever exactly it says, whcih says it's getting TO loading what is likely a misconfigured grub-uefi install... any help? |
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| 01:30.03 | debdeb | Isvara: not virtual... but real... a usb-wlan-device can be used |
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| 01:30.29 | kd123 | Does anyone know why I would get a "db11exception::txn : cannot allocate memory" error on Debian amd64 stable when I try to download the bitcoin blockchain via bitcoind? |
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| 01:31.08 | Isvara | vacho: Oh, it's a USB one? Have you enabled passthrough for that USB device in VirtualBox? Does it show up in lsusb? |
| 01:31.46 | kd123 | I imagine debian sets some sort of limit I'm hitting... |
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| 01:32.29 | vacho | Isvara: no, it's the built in one in mac os x |
| 01:32.57 | phox | kd123: that sounds like a bitcoin issue not a debian issue... o.O |
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| 01:33.19 | debdeb | vacho: then its transparent |
| 01:33.34 | vacho | so how do I install it now :) |
| 01:33.39 | vacho | debdeb: how do I install it now? |
| 01:33.57 | debdeb | vacho: if the wlan works in mac os x... it should work in virtualbox automatically |
| 01:34.19 | kd123 | phox, no one else seems to be having this issue running ubuntu... so I think debian must impose some stricter limit or something... |
| 01:34.25 | zykotick9 | !tell micros about raspbian |
| 01:34.27 | debdeb | vacho: but in virtualbox it is not a wlan-device... it is a normal ethernet-device |
| 01:34.49 | vacho | debdeb: U are very correct, I am trying to setup an ad-hoc..that's why |
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| 01:34.59 | vacho | so when I define interface wlan0, it does not find it. |
| 01:35.06 | vacho | should I set it as eth0? |
| 01:35.20 | micros | thanks for the hint. the channel has less users and since its based on debian, it seemed like a reasonable starting point... |
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| 01:35.45 | micros | i followed most directions avail on google. im sure there is something small missing. no idea what the issue is though |
| 01:35.49 | kd123 | I thought it might be a "ulimit -d" issue but that is set to "unlimited" (program can't get enough memory) |
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| 01:36.00 | zykotick9 | !based on debian |
| 01:36.02 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 01:36.02 | phox | kd123: debian by default shouldn't have any ulimit or whatever set |
| 01:36.10 | phox | kd123: run ulimit -a or whatever it is tos ee if any are set |
| 01:36.11 | qman__ | is there a good way to non-interactively provide the answers I want to dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 01:36.38 | debdeb | vacho: in virtualbox itself? there is no wlan0 then... it should be something like eth0, yes... the ad-hoc-network has to be set up in mac os x |
| 01:36.44 | phox | kd123: yeah, ulimit -a |
| 01:36.45 | phox | heh |
| 01:36.57 | micros | no limit |
| 01:37.01 | micros | "unlimited" |
| 01:37.14 | vacho | damn.. |
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| 01:37.22 | ckoch786_ | I just installed Wheezy today, is it safe to move over to testing now or should I wait? |
| 01:37.27 | vacho | so I cannot setup an ad-hoc wifi in debian because im on virtualbox..sucks |
| 01:37.39 | phox | ckoch786_: wheezy is no longer testing |
| 01:37.40 | kd123 | phox, ok... well "stack size" is limited to 8192... would that do it? |
| 01:37.53 | phox | kd123: that's normal unless the BC client is written by stupid people |
| 01:38.06 | kd123 | lol |
| 01:38.19 | debdeb | vacho: you could... but you have to use an usb-wlan-stick |
| 01:38.32 | ckoch786_ | phox: I know, I was asking if it is safe to switch to Jessie? |
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| 01:38.50 | vacho | ok |
| 01:39.27 | phox | ckoch786_: ah. dunno, and obviously it would depend on what packages you use... heh. |
| 01:39.36 | kd123 | I don't see anything that would limit it.... POSIX message queues is limited to 819200, pipe size is limited to 8, open files is limited to 1024, max locked memory size is limited to 64, and pending signals is limited to 16382 |
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| 01:39.51 | zykotick9 | ckoch786_: why do you want Jessie? it's like 2 days old, pretty much the same as wheezy so far... and NOT "stable" (in debian terminology meaning) |
| 01:40.04 | debdeb | vacho: there is no emulated wlan in virtualbox... as far as i know |
| 01:40.05 | kd123 | everything else is unlimited.... I'm is there a db11 config file somewhere? |
| 01:40.43 | roboman2444 | Supaplex, nervermind, i have edited and fixred it up |
| 01:41.20 | ckoch786_ | I want to keep my software up todate and get emacs24 when it moves over from sid |
| 01:41.34 | ckoch786_ | into testing |
| 01:41.48 | zykotick9 | !sns |
| 01:41.49 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 01:41.58 | debdeb | *g* |
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| 01:43.30 | debdeb | hmmm... btw: its quite quiet here... for a new release ^^ |
| 01:44.49 | abrotman | seems noisy to me .. |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | i mean .. if it's quiet, it means either a) no one is using it b) no one is having problems |
| 01:45.48 | debdeb | ive seen just one who broke his production-system in the last hours... |
| 01:47.04 | phox | backports is pretty hopeless FWIW |
| 01:47.05 | phox | =/ |
| 01:47.26 | phox | anyone care to comment on Wheezy's apparently broken UEFI shit? |
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| 01:48.07 | ckoch786_ | anyone get emacs24 to install from the snapshot in wheezy? |
| 01:48.11 | abrotman | !uefi |
| 01:48.11 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 01:48.24 | abrotman | phox: if you claim it doesn't work, file a bug |
| 01:48.27 | phox | its UEFI boot shit ONLY works correctly when I have something else visible on the system e.g. a random fake CD-ROM drive (via BMC presenting a fake USB device) or whatever, then it boots totally normally... otherwise it decides to be a jerk and fall on its ass and hang after saying "Welcome to GRUB" or whatever it says |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | gives up |
| 01:48.46 | phox | abrotman: I claim the last 3 bugs I filed against Debian shit were ignored =/ |
| 01:49.02 | phox | is there a way to force the 7.0 installer to STFU and install crusty-old-grub ? |
| 01:49.03 | abrotman | phox: probably your liberal cursing |
| 01:49.09 | abrotman | good luck |
| 01:49.16 | phox | abrotman: I'm annoyed because I'm bored of broken software. |
| 01:49.31 | abrotman | phox: so use something else |
| 01:49.54 | phox | abrotman: it seems I always find bugs that nobody can be bothered fixing. like the fact that kernel.org's make deb-pkg stuff is STILL broken most of a year after I reported it broken. |
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| 01:50.07 | phox | wasn't affecting them so it got ignored :l |
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| 01:50.42 | debdeb | #meckerkiste |
| 01:52.16 | ckoch786_ | I get the following errors when attempting to install emacs-snapshot http://pastebin.com/2qjcqBe4 |
| 01:52.26 | micros | no dice int he other channels... from general experience, do you gents have any other ideas what might surpress a core dump? |
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| 01:53.51 | phox | embarrassing, as mentioned: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50871 |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | ckoch786_: pastebin your sources.list |
| 01:54.06 | zykotick9 | micros: raspbian isn't debian (or ubuntu) |
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| 01:55.43 | RearuSato | debian on r pi feasible for a private webApp server? anything more straightforward? |
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| 01:56.19 | RearuSato | meaning less complexity out of the box - short of time to set all that up... |
| 01:56.57 | ckoch786_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/4YPFivin |
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| 01:58.50 | abrotman | ckoch786_: those packages are meant for squeeze |
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| 01:59.03 | ckoch786_ | :( |
| 02:00.45 | ckoch786_ | abortman: Is there anyway other than installing from sources to get emacs24? |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | judd: versions emacs42 |
| 02:01.16 | judd | No package named 'emacs42' was found in i386. |
| 02:01.17 | abrotman | judd: versions emacs24 |
| 02:01.18 | judd | Package: emacs24 on i386 -- sid: 24.3+1-1 |
| 02:01.24 | abrotman | thta looks .. fun |
| 02:02.01 | Isvara | I have "d-i netcfg/get_domain string vm.home" in my preseed file. The installer asks for the domain name with the correct one already filled in, but how do I make it not ask at all? |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | you'd have to backport it yourself |
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| 02:03.00 | debdeb | ahh... great... i found a first step of what i want to build: http://www.solemnwarning.net/kexec-loader/ |
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| 02:04.33 | ckoch786_ | abrotman: thanks, I did not think of that, I will look into it. |
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| 02:06.10 | zykotick9 | ckoch786_: if you are unfamiliar, see "/msg dpkg ssb" for intro |
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| 02:08.11 | Artemis3 | does anyone have a sample preseed adding extra repositories and installing packages from those? |
| 02:08.29 | phox | abrotman: do you know anything of the process for switching from grub-uefi to grub-pc or whatever it's called? |
| 02:09.20 | phox | I'm inclined to assume the simplest solution here is to stop using the broken newfangled thing... this hardware has been working fine for ages w/ a Testing install on it w/o UEFI |
| 02:10.26 | zykotick9 | phox: with your last comment, does your system even have EFI? |
| 02:11.16 | LakotaJones | exit |
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| 02:11.17 | LakotaJones | exit |
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| 02:12.16 | abrotman | phox: you're going to remove your BIOS? |
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| 02:19.34 | ckoch786_ | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 02:33.07 | romano2k | hi! it's not directly related to Debian but i'd like to download 39000 files with just an incremental number in the URL, how should i do this? |
| 02:34.02 | debdeb | i woudl do it with a bash-skript |
| 02:35.12 | debdeb | i would search for: bash, script, for, do |
| 02:35.19 | xzcvczx | ^^ |
| 02:35.47 | xzcvczx | romano2k: although i hope you had permission from the owner of the site before downloading the 39000 files |
| 02:35.53 | xzcvczx | had/have |
| 02:36.49 | romano2k | debdeb: do you have a guide to recommend on how to script this? i'm totally noob in this area |
| 02:37.01 | romano2k | (and didn't found anything good for now) |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | romano2k: ask #bash |
| 02:37.17 | romano2k | abrotman: you're right, thanks |
| 02:37.51 | debdeb | romano2k: no, i have no guide by hand. but out there... thay exist ;-) |
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| 02:38.52 | rwp | romano2k, Download using what protocol? HTTP? FTP? RSYNC? |
| 02:39.00 | romano2k | rwp: http |
| 02:39.03 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 02:39.08 | romano2k | tried with one URL, it works easily |
| 02:39.19 | romano2k | abrotman: that's what i'm doing, may i answer to rwp? |
| 02:39.25 | abrotman | you did |
| 02:39.57 | rwp | This is easy by brute force: for f in $(seq 1 100); do wget http://www.example.com/foo/bar/file$f.png ; done |
| 02:40.07 | rwp | Expand that as needed but you didn't give details enough to do better. |
| 02:41.13 | rwp | abrotman, I know you are trying to keep people on topic (herding cats) but not sure #bash is appropriate either. It is such a generic question. Doesn't really fit anywhere. |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | except you solved it using bash? :) |
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| 02:41.54 | rwp | Perhaps there is a channel specifically for random GNU/Unix tasks like that? |
| 02:42.14 | rwp | Bash? That works in any portable shell. Nothing to do with bash. |
| 02:42.42 | rwp | Try it with ksh, zsh, dash, or posh. I would have said it was ksh because it predates bash by a lot. |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | but most users have a default shell of bash |
| 02:43.57 | rwp | Hmm... I totally agree that most users who are asking basic questions have the Debian default shell which is bash. (I think that specifies things properly.) |
| 02:44.10 | debdeb | it may be possible with wget, curl or a webspider alone, too... without a script |
| 02:44.28 | rwp | But it depends upon the culture. I know many places that still use csh extensively. (Poor souls.) |
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| 02:45.32 | rwp | romano2k, Basically the way we would solve this is by reading the man pages of likely tools like wget or curl and looking for --mirror options and just going it. |
| 02:46.04 | debdeb | but that depends ;-) |
| 02:46.14 | rwp | And if I hadn't used $(...) but had instead used `...` I would have said it was Bourne shell. But then I had so I couldn't. |
| 02:46.35 | romano2k | rwp: i had the answer on #bash |
| 02:46.37 | debdeb | if the files are linked from a single page... or if its ftp... or |
| 02:46.37 | romano2k | and it works |
| 02:46.47 | romano2k | it's a for like the one you wrote |
| 02:47.23 | rwp | Brute force and ignorance will always triumph over elegance and finesse. :-) |
| 02:48.06 | peterrooney | rwp: Only when N is small. N is *usually* small. |
| 02:48.17 | debdeb | oh... aria should be able to do that, too |
| 02:49.01 | romano2k | peterrooney: N is 39000, is it too big? |
| 02:49.05 | rwp | peterrooney, I worried about the argument expansion in that for loop. Which is why I made it only 100. But couldn't recall specific syntax for anything more clever. It is basically something you do once and throw away and never again anyway. |
| 02:49.38 | rwp | romano2k, As long as you don't get "Argument list too long" you are okay. |
| 02:49.54 | rwp | (Which won't happen anymore with recent Linux kernels anyway.) |
| 02:50.02 | qman__ | you could probably get around that by doing a while read instead of a for |
| 02:50.06 | romano2k | rwp: the error message would pop up on launch of the bash command, right? |
| 02:50.13 | rwp | Yes. |
| 02:50.17 | romano2k | ok then it works |
| 02:50.47 | rwp | Here is a good argmax reference: http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/argmax/ |
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| 02:55.43 | newhoa | Hello, I am having a problem using the Debian 7 (gnome3 amd64) livecd. It always defaults to Fallback mode. Turns out it's failing to load drivers. Are these the nonfree drivers and do I need to use the nonfree livecd? |
| 02:56.44 | zykotick9 | newhoa: amd/ati graphics by chance? |
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| 02:56.58 | newhoa | Yeah, sure is. |
| 02:57.30 | zykotick9 | there is no "free" ati 3d support... so it can't be in debian. |
| 02:57.36 | somiaj | newhoa: you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see exactly which driver is being loaded. |
| 02:58.02 | somiaj | zykotick9: what? radeon driver supports 3d, though you need th non-free package linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 02:58.14 | zykotick9 | somiaj: required non-free firmware for 3d |
| 02:58.40 | zykotick9 | thus, no "free" amd/ati graphics! |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | sure there is |
| 02:59.05 | debdeb | and nvidia-3d is free? |
| 02:59.06 | somiaj | the biggest issue I would worry about in wheezy is the fglrx driver droped support for older ati cards, so you must use the radeon driver |
| 02:59.06 | zykotick9 | sorry, no free 3d amd/ati |
| 02:59.22 | newhoa | zykotick9: So the ISO from here should work?: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/7.0.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 02:59.34 | zykotick9 | noveau is amazing in wheezy :p (ok not really amazing, but MUCH better) |
| 02:59.48 | romano2k | going to bed, thank you and see u |
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| 03:00.06 | zykotick9 | newhoa: i have no idea really, debian-live isn't something i've used much, i gave up on it. |
| 03:00.07 | newhoa | somiaj: I checked and I think it was the r100. I don't have the log available right now. |
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| 03:00.46 | debdeb | uhmmm.. btw.. the installer needs 3d-support? |
| 03:01.10 | newhoa | Well, I'm wondering if this is a bug... the nonfree version should contain additional packages. But if you diff the .packages files, they're exactly the same. |
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| 03:01.47 | ctmjr | the radeon driver has 3d acceleration |
| 03:01.52 | newhoa | I downloaded the nonfree version and checked the squashfs, and it contains none of the nonfree firmware. But I am new to all of this, so maybe I am missing something. |
| 03:02.11 | zykotick9 | ctmjr: IF you use non-free firmware! |
| 03:02.20 | somiaj | ctmjr: it does require nonfree firmware to be useful though |
| 03:02.54 | somiaj | ctmjr: but I don't like the anal classification as firmware being nonfree. To me there should be no difference if the firmware is supplied as a file or on the actual chip. |
| 03:02.56 | newhoa | Free Driver, Nonfree firmware required for the driver to work if I understand correctly. |
| 03:03.24 | somiaj | i.e. why shouyld one pice of hardware be considered more free because teh firmware is shipped on the card and not as a file |
| 03:04.43 | debdeb | somiaj: hehe. good point |
| 03:05.10 | debdeb | somiaj: so i prefer the firmware outside of the card... can be changed easier |
| 03:05.32 | somiaj | debdeb: exactly, it allows you to change the firmware (upgrade it ) with out having to flash your chip |
| 03:05.35 | zykotick9 | somiaj: i agree, that is a good point. but doesn't change the current free/non-free ecosystem - buy better hardware ;) |
| 03:05.52 | newhoa | As far as I can tell, none of the nonfree ISOs are any different than the free ISOs. |
| 03:06.03 | somiaj | zykotick9: well if better hardware just means 'firmware is supplied on the chip', it is moot to me. |
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| 03:06.59 | somiaj | zykotick9: what matters is if the hardware vendor supplies specifics as the api to control talk to the hardware. |
| 03:07.00 | zykotick9 | somiaj: free software != free hardware. this ati crap is thus non-free software... |
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| 03:07.27 | debdeb | or a bit better would be: chooseable... the firmware on card is a fallback of the one, which can be supplied outside |
| 03:07.57 | somiaj | yea I think the video card firmware blobs are a bit shady because they are actually taken from the cards, as opposed to say wifi firmware which vendors such as intel can give free drivers to talk to the api |
| 03:08.24 | piukeman | squirrellmail gave me this error Unknown user or password incorrect. |
| 03:08.38 | piukeman | where do I have to start to seek... dovecot or postfix |
| 03:08.48 | somiaj | debdeb: firmware for wifi crads is a legal thing. Intel requires some sense of nonfree to ensure their cards live within the legal wifi specifications. |
| 03:09.43 | debdeb | somiaj: ok. and i think i know a reason for that |
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| 03:09.57 | debdeb | the frequenzies shouldnt be changeable |
| 03:10.02 | somiaj | piukeman: I forget is squirrellmail getting mail over pop3/imap or is it sending mail over smtp |
| 03:10.21 | somiaj | debdeb: so hence nonfree firmware + a free api specs of how to talk to the firmware |
| 03:10.23 | debdeb | or the power of a wlan card |
| 03:10.51 | somiaj | piukeman: look at dovecot for fetching issues, imap/pop3, postfix for sending issues (smtp) |
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| 03:27.24 | newhoa | So where should I report this problem? It's not exactly a package bug. |
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| 03:28.32 | bronaugh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=701127 |
| 03:28.44 | bronaugh | so yeah. a "Me too" on this one ;/ |
| 03:29.24 | bronaugh | completly different hardware. Tyan S7053GM2NR, 2 CPUs, 24GB RAM. so I don't know exactly what's going on, but the symptoms are common. |
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| 03:33.37 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 03:45.00 | muhoo | anything special i need to do in order to upgrade from wheezy testing to wheezy stable? |
| 03:45.17 | muhoo | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade? or do i need an apt-get dist-upgrade in there somewhere? |
| 03:45.29 | zykotick9 | muhoo: not really. "apt-get dist-upgrade" to be sure. |
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| 03:45.50 | muhoo | as the last step or instead of apt-get upgrade? |
| 03:46.08 | zykotick9 | muhoo: instead of, or after. |
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| 03:46.40 | muhoo | i am just amazed at how polished and slick debian has become. my first debian install was slink. |
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| 03:46.58 | vacho | guys!! |
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| 03:47.04 | wxcafe | hey |
| 03:47.12 | wxcafe | i've got a problem going on with finger |
| 03:47.40 | wxcafe | i'm running it on a server |
| 03:47.42 | muhoo | who uses finger anymore? |
| 03:47.46 | wxcafe | me |
| 03:47.48 | muhoo | wow |
| 03:47.50 | wxcafe | using xinetd |
| 03:48.05 | wxcafe | and i get different results from localhost and remote |
| 03:48.24 | wxcafe | namely, i don't get plan nor pgpkey result from remote |
| 03:48.38 | vacho | after install debian on my laptop, I am getting a blank screen, help is deserately needed. |
| 03:48.54 | wxcafe | which is a problem to me, because it's important for me to get precisely those info from remote |
| 03:49.51 | wxcafe | anyone has a clue? |
| 03:50.35 | muhoo | vacho: does CTL-ALT-F1 give you a console? |
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| 03:50.47 | vacho | muhoo: lemme check. |
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| 03:51.17 | vacho | muhoo: no.. |
| 03:51.27 | wxcafe | you're pretty fucked then |
| 03:51.31 | vacho | I see the gnu grub menu though when I boot..I am able to edit the boot script when I hit "E" |
| 03:51.35 | muhoo | oh |
| 03:51.40 | wxcafe | hmm |
| 03:51.42 | muhoo | boot single user |
| 03:51.48 | wxcafe | init=/bin/sh |
| 03:52.00 | muhoo | heh, that's brute force but it'll work too |
| 03:52.14 | muhoo | X is fucked though, seems like |
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| 03:52.24 | wxcafe | happens |
| 03:52.50 | wxcafe | to answer you, finger is the deepweb's facebook |
| 03:52.57 | vacho | wxcafe: I should do that? |
| 03:53.03 | wxcafe | vacho: yeah |
| 03:53.06 | muhoo | wxcafe: really? cool. |
| 03:53.13 | muhoo | i love how old tech comes back to life as underground shit |
| 03:53.17 | wxcafe | ^^ |
| 03:53.19 | vacho | wxcafe: what should I do? |
| 03:53.24 | wxcafe | (i was just kidding) |
| 03:53.28 | wxcafe | vacho: reboot, press e |
| 03:53.33 | vacho | then what |
| 03:53.38 | wxcafe | vacho: type "init=/bin/sh" without quotes |
| 03:53.51 | wxcafe | press, err, enter? is it enter in grub? |
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| 03:54.02 | wxcafe | press the right key |
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| 03:54.53 | vacho | xzcvczx: and then f10? |
| 03:54.59 | LtL | it's ^x to boot |
| 03:55.08 | wxcafe | oh |
| 03:55.12 | wxcafe | then ctrl+x |
| 03:55.18 | LtL | yes |
| 03:55.30 | wxcafe | i was just clarifying |
| 03:55.43 | vacho | still friggin blank :( |
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| 03:55.57 | wxcafe | like, blank, or black? |
| 03:57.07 | LtL | vacho: try `nomodeset` appended to the load linux line, iit sometimes works for graphics issues |
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| 03:57.33 | vacho | i see this now |
| 03:57.36 | vacho | grub> |
| 03:57.41 | wxcafe | ^^ |
| 03:58.02 | wxcafe | alright, noone using finger? |
| 03:58.23 | LtL | wxcafe: not since the 90's |
| 03:58.31 | wxcafe | well then |
| 03:58.39 | wxcafe | thanks for your help, gentlemen |
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| 04:00.48 | muhoo | amazing. upgrade went totally smoothly. fantastic. |
| 04:01.02 | vacho | error: uknown command: nomodeset |
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| 04:01.47 | zykotick9 | muhoo: going from wheezy (as testing) to wheezy (as stable) isn't really an upgrade, it's wheezy - that doesn't change. |
| 04:02.24 | LtL | vacho: it needs to be in the edit grub menu, at the end of load linux line. not the grub> prompt |
| 04:02.27 | bronaugh | ok, so for what it's worth, uefi boot screwups fixed by pulling grub from experimental. |
| 04:02.32 | muhoo | right, but i've had stuff break in the past. but i mean, it's been a while. |
| 04:03.03 | vacho | LtL: oh yes I know.. I added it to the last line after hitting "E" after all the other commands..then I hit ctrl-X to continue booting |
| 04:03.19 | vacho | LtL: really appreciate the help, a bit desperate at this point |
| 04:04.25 | LtL | vacho: personally i don't think nomodeset will work, what do you see when it tries to boot... anything? |
| 04:04.40 | vacho | I see some outputs..and then it switched screen res and died on me. |
| 04:04.55 | LtL | vacho: might work then |
| 04:04.57 | vacho | it's still running I can tell because when I hit "power" button it turns of computer normally. |
| 04:05.02 | vacho | what might work |
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| 04:05.09 | LtL | nomodeset |
| 04:05.19 | vacho | it says unkown command |
| 04:05.24 | vacho | just plain "nomodeset" ? |
| 04:05.35 | LtL | vacho: not if its in the right place |
| 04:06.12 | LtL | vacho: yes nomodeset appended to the load linux line |
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| 04:06.25 | vacho | ok |
| 04:06.33 | vacho | lemme try again |
| 04:08.22 | vacho | flt: load linux line? |
| 04:08.26 | vacho | what line is that |
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| 04:09.31 | mumpitzel | vacho: /etc/default/grub there GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and _DEFAULZ. then run update-grub again |
| 04:09.39 | LtL | vacho: the line that points to the kernel to load |
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| 04:10.15 | mumpitzel | vacho: if you only edit your current running grub, it's the line starting with "kernel" |
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| 04:10.38 | LtL | vacho: it can do no harm and it's not permanent |
| 04:10.40 | mumpitzel | sorry. the line starting with "linux" in grub2 |
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| 04:14.24 | LtL | vt0r: i'm referring to editting at the grub splash screen fyi |
| 04:14.43 | LtL | vt0r: sorry wrong nick |
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| 04:42.11 | newhoa | As far as installing Debian, is every CD/DVD required, or is the first the basic install and the others server as "repositories"? Here for example - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ - or - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:43.46 | zykotick9 | newhoa: just the 1st cd/dvd is required. personally, i'd strongly suggest using the netinst image though. |
| 04:44.40 | Dewi | anyone know what the fastest desktop environment in virtualbox would be? Virtualbox doesn't support 2D acceleration but the 3D ones I've tried weren't exactly snappy either |
| 04:44.53 | Dewi | xfce seems not too bad |
| 04:45.15 | Dewi | might be the best I'm gonna get |
| 04:45.21 | debdeb_ | *g* ive read that debian is now about 60 cds... right? |
| 04:45.22 | Dewi | unless there's a remoting system that would be faster |
| 04:46.24 | Dewi | debdeb_: the CD set appears to be only 8 |
| 04:46.55 | zykotick9 | debdeb_: they aren't release the whole repo on cd/dvd anymore |
| 04:47.07 | newhoa | zykotick9: Thanks. Unfortunately a lot of times I have a super slow connection, or none at all. |
| 04:47.46 | newhoa | Being new to Debian, though... the number of installation options are a bit overhwelming. |
| 04:48.29 | debdeb_ | ive read it somewhere a few days ago. iirc about 60cds or 2 bluerays |
| 04:48.37 | peterrooney | newhoa: Thanks to popcon, the first DVD cover 99.9% of situations. |
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| 04:59.24 | newhoa | peterrooney: Thanks for that. With the amount of options + lack of descriptions it's a little confusing if you're not already familiar. |
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| 05:21.32 | andkore | ok, so wheezy is stable and not testing now. I'm upgrading right now, and there was quite a few packages to upgrade. what's happened in terms of freezing? was wheezy frozen? is it unfrozen now? |
| 05:22.10 | vacho | what is the best way to transfer a file through terminal between two computers on the network? |
| 05:22.35 | apm1 | andkore, yes a release = unfrozen |
| 05:22.36 | peterrooney | andkore: wheezy was frozen last year, and declared stable this past weekend. |
| 05:22.41 | andkore | ok |
| 05:23.41 | andkore | so jessie is testing now? |
| 05:23.49 | apm1 | yes |
| 05:23.52 | andkore | ok, thanks |
| 05:23.55 | peterrooney | vacho: scp |
| 05:24.06 | Dewi | vacho: scp |
| 05:24.07 | peterrooney | vacho: rsync if you think the transfer might be interrupted |
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| 05:24.19 | vacho | hard to setup? |
| 05:24.21 | andkore | only problem is scp is encrypted, so it takes longer |
| 05:24.32 | vacho | I need it to be encrypted |
| 05:24.35 | andkore | oh |
| 05:24.36 | Dewi | vacho: rsync is more complicated, but more capable |
| 05:24.37 | andkore | lol |
| 05:24.37 | peterrooney | vacho: install openssh server |
| 05:24.46 | Dewi | normally you'd pipe rsync over ssh anyway |
| 05:24.47 | vacho | I have openssh server installed |
| 05:24.48 | Dewi | at least I do |
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| 05:24.57 | andkore | so you can probably scp already |
| 05:25.02 | andkore | just look up the syntax |
| 05:25.10 | vacho | I want something quick and simple that is encrypted,,,,, it will be transfered on an ad-hoc network. |
| 05:25.20 | Dewi | vacho: scp then |
| 05:25.26 | vacho | ok |
| 05:25.29 | vacho | where do I start? |
| 05:25.33 | Dewi | it's built into most ssh implementations |
| 05:25.37 | vacho | scp will work over a wireless ad-hoc network? |
| 05:25.51 | Dewi | it works wherever ssh does, it's like an alternative client |
| 05:26.11 | truexfan81 | scp=simple? heh i never managed to figure out how to make it work and i been using linux for 2years |
| 05:26.23 | Dewi | truexfan81: scp file remote: |
| 05:26.32 | caf | "scp sourcefile user@dest:" or "scp user@source:sourcefile ." |
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| 05:27.16 | caf | first is push from source host, second is pull on destination host |
| 05:27.44 | rjsalts | you can also do scp remote1:sourcefile remote2:destfile |
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| 05:28.18 | vacho | ok i'll try. |
| 05:28.25 | rjsalts | but remote1 has to be able to connect via ssh to remote2 |
| 05:28.37 | vacho | hmmm..complicated. |
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| 05:38.51 | vacho | caf: that worked fine..how do I make it a one liner? |
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| 05:39.04 | vacho | so I can include the password? |
| 05:40.18 | rjsalts | vacho: set up key based authentication |
| 05:40.43 | vacho | rjsalts: talk me through it |
| 05:40.49 | vacho | walk** |
| 05:41.15 | rjsalts | vacho: ssh-copyid user@host is the most simple way of achieving it |
| 05:41.41 | rjsalts | vacho: you might need an ssh-keygen -t rsa if you haven't already got a key |
| 05:41.43 | vacho | ok are u around in like 20 min? n |
| 05:41.52 | vacho | ok I see. |
| 05:43.06 | rjsalts | but ssh-copyid makes the assumption that the authorized_keys file has not been moved from the default location of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 05:43.18 | rjsalts | on the destination system |
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| 05:47.08 | rjsalts | vacho: you can also make ssh authorized_keys only work for specific purposes by changing the public key in the authorized_keys file |
| 05:47.15 | rjsalts | vacho: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/402615/how-to-restrict-ssh-users-to-a-predefined-set-of-commands-after-login |
| 05:48.42 | rjsalts | vacho: which is a good security practice if this is for an automated process |
| 05:49.01 | vacho | it is for automated process |
| 05:49.06 | vacho | thanks mate I really really appreciate it |
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| 06:42.34 | apm1 | how do i purge everything libre office brought in ? |
| 06:42.50 | apm1 | apt-get purge libreoffice* didn't take out much |
| 06:42.59 | somiaj | run apt-get autoremove after that |
| 06:43.01 | somiaj | or use aptitude |
| 06:43.06 | apm1 | i did |
| 06:43.14 | babilen | apm1: make that "apt-get --purge autoremove" if you want to purge them |
| 06:43.29 | apm1 | babilen, ah that jus might be it |
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| 06:46.58 | babilen | apm1: And note that globbing is not what you want with apt-get -- You can use "aptitude purge ~i~n^libreoffice" (well, change the libreoffice part if you want to purge something else) |
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| 06:47.10 | xmx | somiaj: I am still having problems during bootup. After I type my encryption passphrase in, and after it shoes the "Bad Number Error", sometimes it goes to a black screen, and jst stops. I have to power off, and try it 2-3 more times before getting through |
| 06:47.14 | xmx | any advice? |
| 06:47.44 | somiaj | xmx: Have you identified if it is xorg or the kernel causing the problems |
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| 06:49.05 | xmx | no, i have been trying to look through the dmesg, and xorg logs, but not making progress. I JUST got through now after just getting the black screen 10 minutes ago |
| 06:49.06 | somiaj | xmx: Have you disabled your display manager and see if you can boot into a console regurally, 'echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager' |
| 06:49.25 | xmx | would it be the most recent logs? |
| 06:49.44 | somiaj | xmx: no the most recent logs wouldn't have the error |
| 06:49.56 | somiaj | xmx: if it is xorg, you can look though the .old log (that should be from your privious start) |
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| 06:50.05 | somiaj | xmx: you can compare it to your current one that functioning |
| 06:50.19 | somiaj | xmx: again my suggestion would be disable your dm and make sure it is an xorg problem vs a kernel issue |
| 06:51.05 | xmx | okay I will look into them, after Im done, just echo true > ? |
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| 06:52.44 | somiaj | xmx: cat that file, and see what is in there |
| 06:52.58 | somiaj | xmx: you have to give it the name or path to your display manager (gdm3 is the gnome default) |
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| 06:54.39 | xmx | /usr/sbin/gdm3 |
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| 06:56.10 | somiaj | okay so yea it is the full path (I don't run a display manager so I couldn't check) |
| 06:57.33 | xmx | okay I will try, thanks |
| 06:57.42 | xmx | going through xorg logs right now, comparing |
| 06:57.58 | fish__ | my second monitor is stuck on 640x480 i think its not getting edid data how do i tell the os the refresh rates and native resoloution of my monitor video setup pny geforce gtx 550 ti >dvi #1 (primary monitor)>sony sdm-hx73 (running at 1280x1024x60.02) and #2 dvi> dvi/vga adapter>sony sdm-hs73 sdm-hs73 is stuck at 640x480x59.94 i've tried at least 3 different cables and failed at adding a "monitor' section to xorg.conf |
| 06:58.14 | somiaj | xmx: look for EE (errors) or info about your graphics driver/display modes (maybe it is just producing one your monintor doesn't like) |
| 06:58.54 | somiaj | fish__: have you scanned the Xorg.0.log to see what xorg detects? |
| 06:59.13 | somiaj | fish__: Yes if xorg isn't detecting the right modes, you may have to even write a custom ModeLine for the resolution you want |
| 06:59.24 | fish__ | how? |
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| 06:59.41 | Artej | hi! |
| 07:00.06 | fish__ | and how would i tell it the monitor the mode line pertains to? |
| 07:00.42 | Artej | recently I updated from testing to unstable and now I have strange multiarch problem:/ |
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| 07:00.57 | somiaj | fish__: it is the Screen section of the config |
| 07:01.28 | Artej | some packages don't have i386 version in local list but do have on packages.debian.org one |
| 07:01.38 | Artej | e.g. libc6:i386 |
| 07:01.39 | somiaj | fish__: I found a guide on the ubuntu forms that seems to give sane info, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973 |
| 07:01.55 | somiaj | fish__: you can also see if you can use xrandr to change/set it |
| 07:02.12 | Artej | i libc6 |
| 07:02.12 | Artej | c libc6:i386 |
| 07:02.20 | Artej | from aptitude |
| 07:02.34 | fish__ | somiaj: okay will check is xrandr a gui app or cli? |
| 07:02.42 | somiaj | Artej: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
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| 07:02.47 | somiaj | fish__: cli, but there are gui frontends |
| 07:03.02 | somiaj | fish__: xrandr -q (will list all your monintors and their current resolutions) |
| 07:03.12 | Artej | fish__: i386 |
| 07:03.22 | fish__ | somiaj: is the crt-1 designation significant? |
| 07:03.47 | somiaj | fish__: that I belive is just the port it is connected to |
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| 07:04.03 | Artej | somiaj: and while updating i386 are checked |
| 07:04.08 | somiaj | Artej: okay I was just making sure you had i385 arch installed. |
| 07:04.14 | somiaj | Artej: or something didn't unselect it |
| 07:04.16 | fish__ | somiaj: hmm i see |
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| 07:04.18 | xmx | somiaj: I see a bunch of these at the end of the .old one [ 34304.792] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close |
| 07:04.21 | xmx | [ 34304.792] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" |
| 07:04.23 | xmx | [ 34304.816] (II) evdev: Video Bus: Close |
| 07:04.26 | xmx | [ 34304.816] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" |
| 07:04.28 | xmx | other than that, it is all the same |
| 07:04.40 | somiaj | xmx: I'd have to google that to see if there is any issue with it |
| 07:04.51 | xmx | is that just when I hold the power button down after running into error |
| 07:04.52 | somiaj | Artej: rerun apt-get update, also check the BTS |
| 07:04.53 | Artej | somiaj: Hit http://ftp.ua.debian.org unstable/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex |
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| 07:06.37 | Artej | somiaj: mb turning multiarch off/on will work |
| 07:06.38 | Artej | xD |
| 07:06.59 | somiaj | Artej: I doubt it, I'm trying to recall what the package status 'c' means |
| 07:07.25 | fish__ | somiaj: sweet i did something to this thing and suddenly all the other modes are available i wonder if reseating the adapter and changing the cable worked or maybe undoing the section i added once in the xorg.conf |
| 07:07.52 | somiaj | fish__: yea could be your section was hindering auto detection if it was originally a cable problem |
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| 07:08.55 | Artej | fish__: c, meaning that the package was deleted but its configuration files remain on the system |
| 07:08.59 | Artej | from man |
| 07:09.09 | somiaj | Artej: maybe it just means the config files are around, anyways try to reinstall it, 'apt-get install libc6:i386' what does that give you? |
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| 07:10.15 | Artej | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/vFKG09QB |
| 07:10.19 | fish__ | somiaj: oh well good to know in the future will have to do full restarts then as opposed to just sudo service gdm3 restart from cntrl+alt+f1 thx for helping me! |
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| 07:11.26 | fish__ | now to figure out how to get the dock down to the bottom of the gui. i'm kind of liking gnome 3 now |
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| 07:13.01 | Artej | somiaj: c libgcc1:i386 |
| 07:13.10 | Artej | I'm going deeper with this |
| 07:13.14 | Artej | brb xD |
| 07:13.45 | somiaj | Artej: so now, apt-get install libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 |
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| 07:13.57 | somiaj | Artej: keep on doing this until you manually fix the dependencies since apt is being to foolish to. |
| 07:14.15 | somiaj | Artej: though there is likely that this is a bug and a required package is missing from sid, in that case you'll isolate it (or check the BTS firsT) |
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| 07:16.59 | Artej | somiaj: gcc-4.8-base:i386 : Breaks: gcc-4.8-base |
| 07:17.06 | Artej | hehe |
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| 07:17.32 | somiaj | Artej: there is your conflict, check the bts |
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| 07:21.25 | somiaj | Artej: I have gcc-4.7-base both amd64 and i386 living side by side, trying to see why it 'Breaks' the other |
| 07:21.41 | somiaj | Artej: this seems like a bug for the gcc-4.8 package, and I was surprised I did not see it already reported |
| 07:22.28 | babilen | Artej: I know you are quite deep into this, but this is really an issue for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and not for #debian -- We support testing/unstable over there. :) (see /topic too) |
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| 07:23.11 | Artej | babilen: thx :) |
| 07:23.23 | babilen | somiaj: You might want to join too! (I'm surprised to see that you are not there, but maybe you shun oftc) |
| 07:23.50 | somiaj | babilen: I never figured out how to connect to multiple networks at the same time with out feeling like I'm on multiple networks |
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| 07:25.05 | somiaj | Artej: anyways I do not see why those packages 'break' each other. I'd assume others would hit this bug unless there is something strange about your setup. |
| 07:25.19 | somiaj | so that is why i was surprised to see noe bug reports |
| 07:27.26 | xmx | somiaj: i just did the echo false, and it still ran into the error, so i am guessing that rules out xorg |
| 07:27.44 | somiaj | xmx: yea kernel/monintor |
| 07:28.05 | somiaj | xmx: do you have sshd running on that system, could you try to ssh into it from another machine when it fails, see if it is only visual and the machine is actually running in the background |
| 07:28.20 | Artej | somiaj: I found problem xD |
| 07:28.27 | somiaj | Artej: good work. |
| 07:29.19 | Artej | i 386 has version 4.8.0-6 amd64 4.8.0-5 and in the logs there's != message |
| 07:29.20 | Artej | xD |
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| 07:30.04 | xmx | hmm i can try, but i have notice the laptops hdd light stops blinking imediately after it happens, as if its not doing anything after that point |
| 07:30.38 | Artej | somiaj: http://packages.debian.org/sid/gcc-4.8-base |
| 07:31.25 | somiaj | Artej: ahh yea, I was hoping having you rerun update would have fixed that issue. well goad you found it. |
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| 07:31.45 | somiaj | xmx: well once it gets to your login screen it may just idel, but again, trying to figure out what the issue is |
| 07:31.57 | somethinginteres | can anyone tell me a terminal command to easily see how much space I have left on each of my drives? |
| 07:32.00 | somiaj | xmx: if sshd doesn't work it is kernel which could just mean some faulty connenction in the laptop. |
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| 07:32.08 | somiaj | somethinginteres: df -h |
| 07:32.22 | Artej | somiaj: I guess I have to wait for newer i386 version to be pulled into repository |
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| 07:32.56 | somiaj | Artej: or use snapshot.debian.org and get the privious version of the amd64 version |
| 07:33.23 | somethinginteres | somiaj: cheers |
| 07:33.30 | somiaj | Artej: note you may need to get multple packages this way, but it will at least get thigns running for you now. |
| 07:34.11 | Isvara | Is this channel logged? |
| 07:34.15 | Artej | somiaj: I am dualbooting so I can game my a@# off for few hours and that get to working xD |
| 07:34.23 | Artej | *than |
| 07:34.25 | Artej | *then |
| 07:35.01 | somiaj | Isvara: yes |
| 07:35.08 | Isvara | Where's the log? |
| 07:35.15 | somiaj | Isvara: though I only know of stats available online |
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| 07:35.59 | Artej | Isvara: clients usually log |
| 07:36.06 | somiaj | Isvara: google seemed to find me various logs |
| 07:36.12 | Artej | Isvara: what IRC client do you use |
| 07:36.30 | Artej | Are you caring about privacy? |
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| 07:36.56 | Isvara | Colloquy. Has transcription turned off by default. I asked a question earlier, then was AFK. |
| 07:37.34 | Artej | how much earlier |
| 07:37.49 | Artej | maybe other chanel ppl can help |
| 07:38.31 | Isvara | I'll just come back to it tomorrow. Should be asleep anyway. |
| 07:38.45 | Artej | good night |
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| 07:38.54 | Isvara | Night |
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| 07:40.31 | yogg | Hi |
| 07:41.26 | yogg | How can I change the standard application for all users from "gedit" to "kate" for textfiles? I only can find user specific ways to change this option. |
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| 07:42.53 | somiaj | yogg: is this for gnome? |
| 07:43.08 | somiaj | yogg: you could try to make it mix with the alternatives system of debian, but not that familar with gnome |
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| 07:43.18 | Iridos | it already does... |
| 07:43.33 | Iridos | /etc/alternatives/gnome-text-editor -> /usr/bin/gedit |
| 07:44.18 | somiaj | ahh yea in that acse point hat to kate |
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| 07:45.03 | Iridos | update-alternatives --display gnome-text-editor |
| 07:45.32 | Iridos | for viewing only |
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| 07:45.58 | yogg | somiaj: yes for gnome under debian 7 |
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| 07:46.30 | somiaj | yogg: notice Iridos comment, if that is what gnome is using as the default, that will change the system setting (though users can probabaly override it) |
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| 07:48.01 | xmx | somiaj: i was unable to connect through ssh.. so down to the kernal? |
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| 07:48.34 | somiaj | xmx: what kernel are you running and what age of a laptop? |
| 07:48.36 | somiaj | xmx: kernel or hardware |
| 07:48.53 | somiaj | xmx: you can try to check more kernel based logs and see if you can see the last message before a reboot |
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| 07:49.14 | xmx | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 - and a aspire timelineX |
| 07:49.19 | Dewi | is wheezy's default desktop environment gnome2? |
| 07:49.33 | somiaj | Dewi: no, gnome3 |
| 07:49.37 | Dewi | ah ok |
| 07:49.40 | somiaj | Dewi: gnome2 is no longer supported in wheezy |
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| 07:50.20 | somiaj | xmx: think your machine is too modern for that kernel. Signs are pointing to hardware to me. See if you can find anything in your logs that seem to see what is going on |
| 07:50.30 | Iridos | beats me how to add an additional alternative, though |
| 07:50.39 | fishxxx | how do i map enable scrolling on my marble mouse? |
| 07:50.44 | somiaj | xmx: note it could be you have some service crashing your machine, may want to double check everythign that is loaded during boot, and elimate it as the culprit. |
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| 07:51.03 | somiaj | Iridos: I recall doing it, you can manually add them or just hack and change the link |
| 07:51.18 | Iridos | I mean beats me how too do it with update-alternatives |
| 07:51.30 | Iridos | it says how to add a completely new set of alternatives |
| 07:52.00 | Iridos | and you can select one of the existing ones with --config |
| 07:53.03 | somiaj | seems --set name path |
| 07:53.21 | somiaj | so --set gnome-text-editor /usr/bin/kate |
| 07:54.14 | somiaj | and if you use --slave right looks like you can add more to the list |
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| 08:02.42 | DarsVaeda | I have problems giving my user access to /var/www ... I did "chown -R root:www-data /var/www" then "chmod -R u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx /var/www" then "usermod -a -G www-data foo" when I do "groups foo" I see www-data but "touch test" in /var/www gives permission denied? |
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| 08:04.34 | laite | DarsVaeda: did you log out and back in with user |
| 08:04.42 | DarsVaeda | nope |
| 08:04.59 | laite | that could help |
| 08:05.33 | DarsVaeda | I did "newgrp -" or something it was stated that this would read in the config again |
| 08:05.40 | DarsVaeda | but I'll try to login again |
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| 08:15.47 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | How can I increase my bdb lock limit? |
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| 08:16.18 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | I think I can do this via my DB_CONFIG file, but where is it? |
| 08:16.34 | linkxs | looks like i386 iso is missing for jessie. Is that normal? |
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| 08:17.01 | jelly-home | TwoKoolFourSkewl: I think you put it in the same directory the database files are |
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| 08:18.11 | somiaj | linkxs: what do you mean missing. Jessi is in a major flux now |
| 08:18.26 | dokma | I'm trying to rid my system of fglrx installed from ati's packaged version |
| 08:18.29 | linkxs | somiaj: what do you mean by major flux? |
| 08:18.37 | dokma | I still get fglrx kernel module |
| 08:18.43 | dokma | and don't know how to get rid of it |
| 08:18.48 | dokma | any ideas? |
| 08:19.15 | et | linkxs: when there's a new release, there's a huge gap between testing and unstable, and the release opens the floodgates to fill the gap |
| 08:19.16 | linkxs | are you saying that because it's so "testing" they don't bother putting the iso on yet? |
| 08:19.22 | linkxs | ooh, i see. |
| 08:19.22 | somiaj | linkxs: with the release of wheezy the freeze was released and packages are rappidly flowing into sid and jessi (the first month or two after a release has major breakage at times) |
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| 08:19.48 | linkxs | ok, thanks. is there any estimate for when it could appear? |
| 08:20.00 | Tsuki_ | Hi All |
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| 08:20.24 | somiaj | linkxs: I'm just saying expect bugs, so now what do you mean by i386 missing? |
| 08:20.49 | babilen | linkxs: We only just released wheezy -- Just use those images if you want to install. And no, I can't give you an estimate. I guess within weeks, but then I would *still* recommend to use the wheezy installer for the installation. |
| 08:20.50 | linkxs | there are only three iso images. armel and two others i don't really know |
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| 08:20.55 | somiaj | linkxs: oh there won't be iso mades for testing until closer until the next release |
| 08:21.08 | somiaj | linkxs: if you really want to run testing (I would suggested waiting a few months), install wheezy and upgrade to jessi |
| 08:21.11 | linkxs | somiaj: makes sense, and answers my question. thanks! |
| 08:21.18 | linkxs | yeah, i figured i should do that |
| 08:21.22 | babilen | linkxs: There is no point in having testing dailies/weeklies now |
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| 08:21.48 | Tsuki_ | I have a question: While upgrading from Squeezy to Wheezy I run into a problem with Mysql-client-5.5 it staes there is a broken pipe. Anyone a solution for this? |
| 08:21.49 | babilen | linkxs: Also note that #debian-next (on irc.oftc.net) is the support channel for testing/unstable |
| 08:21.50 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | jelly-home, ok thanks I'll look for it there |
| 08:22.07 | linkxs | babilen: ok, thanks! |
| 08:22.16 | jelly-home | TwoKoolFourSkewl: you might have to create it yourself |
| 08:22.17 | yogg | Iridos somiaj: Thanks have tried this. I have now kate in the alternatives. I does not work yet, but i hope after the next restart |
| 08:22.19 | babilen | linkxs: You are welcome, see you there! :) |
| 08:22.25 | linkxs | for sure! |
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| 08:25.51 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | jelly-home, have you ever heard of a error "11DbException DbEnv::txn_begin: Cannot allocate memory"? |
| 08:26.04 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | Does this sound like a lock limit is being reached? |
| 08:28.21 | jelly-home | TwoKoolFourSkewl: Having no clue about berkeleydb, I'd guess it has something to do with... memory allocation |
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| 08:31.51 | TwoKoolFourSkewl | jelly-home: ok... thanks again |
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| 08:34.21 | loaden | hi, guys. which irc client is the best choice on Debian GNOME3 desktop? |
| 08:34.52 | shroud | the one that most closely matches your requirements |
| 08:34.54 | somiaj | loaden: I like irssi but it is a terminal app you can use in any DE |
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| 08:35.05 | jelly-home | loaden: xchat is gtk so at least it won't stand out much |
| 08:35.08 | somiaj | loaden: there are plenty to choose from, find one you like |
| 08:35.51 | loaden | somiaj, jelly-home thanks! I'm now using xchat, but it's seems not good enough. |
| 08:36.17 | Tsuki_ | I have a question: While upgrading from Squeezy to Wheezy I run into a problem with Mysql-client-5.5 it states there is a broken pipe. Anyone a solution for this? |
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| 08:39.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell Tsuki_ -about bat |
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| 08:41.08 | Tsuki_ | babilen: thnx for the info |
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| 08:43.53 | brontosaurusrex | looking at the remote location file, what would be a script (or a way) to say "beep" when the file is completely there? |
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| 08:44.26 | dokma | for e7200 do I install 3.2.0-4-686-pae or 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae ??? |
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| 08:46.14 | jelly-home | dokma: 3.2.0-4-686-pae or even 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 08:48.03 | loaden | babilen, hi |
| 08:48.30 | dokma | jelly-home: isn't e7200 intels proc |
| 08:48.34 | loaden | babilen, are you help me on yestoday? |
| 08:48.38 | dokma | how could amd64 go with it? |
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| 08:49.06 | Tsuki_ | babilen: like this? http://paste.debian.net/2822 |
| 08:49.06 | dokma | so e7200 being dual core is not the "more processors" |
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| 08:49.39 | loaden | babilen: about the raedon driver? I am down the pc. and have to reinstall it. |
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| 08:50.38 | babilen | Tsuki_: You seem to use dotdeb packages which are not supported by us -- I would recommend to remove them completely before performing the upgrade as they (obviously) don't play nice with the official packages. |
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| 08:50.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell Tsuki_ about dotdeb |
| 08:50.50 | loaden | babilen: so if you help me about the darkness issue, I am so sorry because I can't come back. the PC is down, and can't install Debian Wheezy again. I am now using Windows 7 for temp. |
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| 08:55.41 | babilen | Tsuki_: If you want to remove them run: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" -- Not sure, but you *might* want to keep your configuration files, so take care during this step. Alternatively ask the dotdeb people for help with this upgrade, but I would strongly recommend to use the official Debian packages. |
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| 08:56.53 | Tsuki_ | babilen: thnx for your advice :) |
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| 08:58.32 | babilen | Tsuki_: I know that this is a pain and you have to be careful to make sure that this totally unsupported upgrade works and does not cause any problems, but we've really never recommended nor supported dotdeb packages. |
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| 09:12.36 | jelly-home | dokma: that processor has 64bit capabilities. -amd64 flavor covers all 64bit-capable cpus in x86 family, be they intel or amd |
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| 09:19.02 | Lasse- | Yeah, AMD was first to have X86_64 implementation out years ago so Intel sticks with that too. |
| 09:19.10 | ksk | ,versions nginx |
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| 09:36.38 | jelly-home | Hello there person type fellow. |
| 09:36.48 | n0_way | test |
| 09:36.58 | n0_way | so, maybe anyone can give me hand here :) |
| 09:37.08 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 09:37.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:38.35 | n0_way | !ask I just got into rescue mode by my datacenter, I've tried to keep my files by using their stupid tutorial, mount -ro and now I can't install a new grub, normal since it's read only, how can I fix this? |
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| 09:39.54 | ChrisH | n0_way: without understanding the full problem. mount -o remount,rw /boot might be an option |
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| 09:40.33 | UukGoblin | so where could I get help about getting bluetooth to work on my system? |
| 09:41.00 | UukGoblin | guess I could try the mailing list |
| 09:41.16 | starbuck | hello, could i get instructions how to install the nvidia drivers properly? i just installed nvidia-glx and rebootet like suggested but the driver didn't work and xserver wouldn't start... |
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| 09:42.02 | UukGoblin | starbuck, I usually go for proprietary drivers |
| 09:42.19 | UukGoblin | (for graphics) |
| 09:42.29 | n0_way | ChrisH: I've mounted my /dev/md2 into /mnt/rescue, chroot the new directory |
| 09:42.46 | n0_way | the only problem is that I've used the -ro option while mounting the md2 |
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| 09:44.02 | ChrisH | n0_way: I assume you need to run the remount outside the chroot |
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| 09:44.21 | n0_way | indeed, but how? |
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| 09:44.48 | ChrisH | exit |
| 09:45.11 | n0_way | lol, I'm too dumb =)) |
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| 09:46.38 | ChrisH | n0_way: that's the problem with trees in the wood.. :) |
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| 09:47.13 | n0_way | :)) ChrisH won't be much easier if I just mount the md2 into a new path? |
| 09:48.14 | ChrisH | depends on what you want to do. TIMTOWTDI |
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| 09:48.56 | n0_way | trying to fix the boot, but still keeping the original files |
| 09:50.17 | ChrisH | n0_way: personally I would use the remount command |
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| 09:51.27 | topi` | now that wheezy is out, are we going to get newer stuff, like python 3.3, into sid? |
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| 09:51.49 | n0_way | ChrisH: thx, I'll give it a try |
| 09:52.14 | topi` | I'm trying to get twisted to run under py3.x, and having py3.3 would help that effort |
| 09:53.05 | n0_way | ChrisH: bash: /dev/null: Read-only file system |
| 09:53.14 | n0_way | mount -o remount,rw /dev/md2 /mnt/resc/ |
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| 09:54.14 | ChrisH | n0_way: urgs. is everything ro? Try to check cat /proc/mounts |
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| 09:55.40 | n0_way | ChrisH: /dev/md2 / ext4 rw,relatime,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 09:55.41 | n0_way | /dev/md2 /dev ext4 ro,relatime,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 09:55.41 | n0_way | proc /proc proc rw,relatime 0 0 |
| 09:56.10 | n0_way | looks like everything is on rw, except that one |
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| 09:57.10 | dokma | I switched to a 3.2 kernel and now I don't get wlan0 interface for ralink rt2070 wifi usb adapter |
| 09:57.19 | jelly-home | n0_way: you managed to mount /dev/md2 on top of /dev? |
| 09:57.20 | dokma | I have ralink firmware installed |
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| 09:57.56 | n0_way | looks like |
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| 09:58.36 | n0_way | so, how the heck can I fix this? |
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| 09:59.49 | laite | Hi, I'm having trouble with printing debian handbook from epdfview - everything else works perfectly, but for some reason /italic/ text prints out as total garbage (also on wrong position horizontally) |
| 09:59.52 | n0_way | anyone? |
| 10:00.01 | laite | where should I start looking for error? |
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| 10:00.14 | dokma | I can see the ralink device in lsusb |
| 10:00.20 | dokma | and in dmesg it is mentioned |
| 10:00.27 | dokma | but wlan0 is not created |
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| 10:00.41 | dokma | any way to detect why wlan0 is nowhere to be found? |
| 10:01.03 | n0_way | ChrisH: a little help? :)) |
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| 10:01.50 | ChrisH | n0_way: umount /dev might work, but a reboot might be faster - dunno your setup and env |
| 10:01.55 | petn-randall | dokma: How do you come to the conclusion that it's not there? |
| 10:02.03 | dokma | ifconfig |
| 10:02.06 | dokma | iwconfig |
| 10:02.13 | petn-randall | dokma: try 'ifconfig -a' |
| 10:02.15 | dokma | none mention it |
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| 10:02.21 | dokma | nothing |
| 10:02.27 | petn-randall | dokma: ifconfig only shows network devices that are up. |
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| 10:02.38 | dokma | ifconfig -a nothing also |
| 10:02.52 | dokma | ifup waln0 Ignoring unkn if wlan0 |
| 10:03.00 | dokma | ifup wlan0 |
| 10:03.15 | dokma | lsusb shows ralink wifi adapter |
| 10:03.20 | dokma | and dmesg mentions it |
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| 10:03.39 | petn-randall | dokma: Can you paste the output of 'ifconfig -a', 'iwconfig' and the lines from kern.log +20 lines around it? → http://paste.debian.org |
| 10:03.44 | dokma | I have firmware-ralink installed |
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| 10:04.15 | dokma | not that easily since the machine has no conn |
| 10:04.25 | dokma | ifconfig -a shows lo and eth0 |
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| 10:04.43 | dokma | iwconfig shows lo no wireless exts |
| 10:04.50 | dokma | and eth0 no wireless exts |
| 10:05.24 | nonconvergent | Hey, if I decide to track testing instead of wheezy, anything to update other than sources.list? |
| 10:05.46 | dokma | petn-randall: kern.log has nothing from today |
| 10:05.50 | n0_way | ChrisH: ok, now that's ok, I've just the figure it out how the heck to install the grub and fix the problem |
| 10:05.54 | dokma | which is when I switched to 3.2 kernel |
| 10:06.12 | petn-randall | nonconvergent: I don't recommend tracking testing ATM, it'll be a bumpy ride the next weeks. But if you want to do it, simply replace 'wheezy' with 'testing' in your sources.list. |
| 10:06.24 | ChrisH | n0_way: mount rw, chroot and run grub-install somehow like that :) |
| 10:06.24 | petn-randall | nonconvergent: Better yet, use 'jessie' instead of 'testing'. |
| 10:06.27 | jimcooncat | On squeeze with xfce, what do I install to get automatic time/date sync with time servers? |
| 10:06.55 | dokma | ahhh... my klogd wasn't installed.... |
| 10:07.02 | nonconvergent | What about lsb_release? |
| 10:07.06 | n0_way | it's on rw now |
| 10:07.13 | petn-randall | jimcooncat: If the machine is always on, ntpd, otherwise ntpdate will do. |
| 10:07.25 | petn-randall | nonconvergent: What about it? |
| 10:08.12 | petn-randall | jimcooncat: I don't remember if you can do it by GUI, don't have my xfce machine at hand right now :/ |
| 10:08.46 | dokma | petn-randall: do you know where is klogd for 3.2 |
| 10:08.53 | dokma | it refuses aptitude install klogd |
| 10:08.54 | petn-randall | nonconvergent: the LSB info will be updated as soon as the new packages migrate to testing. It will need at least 10 days to migrate there. |
| 10:09.33 | n0_way | ChrisH: one more question, where the heck should I install the grub, I mean..No suitable drive was found in the generated device map. |
| 10:10.11 | petn-randall | n0_way: did you bind mount /dev/, /sys/ and /proc/ in your chroot before going there? |
| 10:10.22 | n0_way | petn-randall: yes |
| 10:10.23 | ChrisH | n0_way: it might be needed to bind-mount /dev into your chroot... But I do not know how.. there you are |
| 10:10.25 | petn-randall | n0_way: Otherwise grub won't find any device to install into. |
| 10:10.38 | n0_way | petn-randall: I'll try again |
| 10:11.22 | jimcooncat | petn-randall: The gui says I have to install an ntp client but doesn't advise which package. |
| 10:11.27 | n0_way | strange, isn't mount --blind ? |
| 10:11.34 | n0_way | ops |
| 10:11.34 | petn-randall | n0_way: Check within the chroot that /dev/ actually has the devices you have outside of it. With a simple typo it might end up in /dev/dev/ |
| 10:11.35 | n0_way | damn |
| 10:11.39 | truexfan81 | how can i change the mirror over ssh? ftp.us.debian.org is still giving 404 errors |
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| 10:12.04 | jimcooncat | petn-randall: I'll try ntpdate, thanks |
| 10:12.05 | ChrisH | jimcooncat: aptitude search ntp should show you enough options |
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| 10:12.33 | ChrisH | truexfan81: vim /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
| 10:12.47 | petn-randall | jimcooncat: ntpdate, ntp or chrony are your options. Unless you're only for very long times, ntpdate is your pick. |
| 10:13.02 | n0_way | petn-randall: root@rescue [/dev]# ls |
| 10:13.03 | n0_way | initctl null pts shm |
| 10:13.03 | petn-randall | jimcooncat: s/only/online/ |
| 10:13.12 | n0_way | in chroot |
| 10:13.18 | petn-randall | n0_way: Doesn't look like you did it right. |
| 10:13.22 | truexfan81 | ChrisH: i imagine that would work, but i need something to show me a list of choices so i know what to change it to ;) |
| 10:13.35 | n0_way | mount -bind /dev /mnt/rescue/dev |
| 10:13.39 | n0_way | any other command? |
| 10:13.45 | n0_way | --bind* |
| 10:13.59 | petn-randall | n0_way: Does 'mount' actually list the bind mount? |
| 10:14.32 | petn-randall | n0_way: The command is correct, but it doesn't seem to do it anyway. |
| 10:14.47 | n0_way | petn-randall: if you mean if it's saying something, then now |
| 10:14.52 | Sevet | truexfan81: when do you get the 404 errors? have you run apt-get update recently? check your /etc/apt/sources.list file, the mirror is set there. check you are Not using 'stable' or 'testing', but 'squeeze' or 'wheezy' |
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| 10:15.17 | Sevet | !tell truexfan81 about sources.list |
| 10:15.38 | n0_way | petn-randall: any solution? |
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| 10:16.03 | petn-randall | n0_way: Does a simple 'mount' list the bind mount? |
| 10:16.25 | Sevet | truexfan81: check it matches the release you're running, don't put wheezy as per the factoid if you're running squeeze unless you plan to upgrade (ask dpkg about squeeze->wheezy) |
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| 10:16.39 | n0_way | petn-randall: root@rescue [/]# mount |
| 10:16.40 | n0_way | /dev/md2 on / type ext4 (rw,usrjquota=quota.user,jqfmt=vfsv0) |
| 10:16.40 | n0_way | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 10:16.40 | n0_way | none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 10:16.40 | n0_way | /dev/md1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) |
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| 10:16.54 | n0_way | oh damn, sorry |
| 10:16.55 | n0_way | :)) |
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| 10:17.19 | n0_way | /dev/md2 on / type ext4 (rw,usrjquota=quota.user,jqfmt=vfsv0) |
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| 10:17.25 | n0_way | /dev/md1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) |
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| 10:17.45 | n0_way | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 10:17.52 | n0_way | none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) |
| 10:17.55 | truexfan81 | ok ftp.uk.debian.org gives 404 errors also, are all the testing/jessie repos down? |
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| 10:18.59 | n0_way | petn-randall: hope u got it |
| 10:19.07 | ChrisH | truexfan81: ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ does work for me in my browser. I am on IPv4 only |
| 10:19.21 | truexfan81 | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 83.142.228.128 80] |
| 10:19.46 | babilen | n0_way: Please use http://paste.debian.net in the future if you want to paste more than two lines. Just because you paste slower doesn't mean that its alright ;) |
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| 10:20.18 | n0_way | babilen: roger that :) |
| 10:20.28 | babilen | :-D |
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| 10:20.44 | Sevet | truexfan81: $DIST-updates doesn't exist for testing |
| 10:20.50 | babilen | truexfan81: There is no jessie-updates -- And you seem to be running testing (aka jessie) which is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:21.38 | truexfan81 | babilen: yeah but idk how to make my znc connect to another server after its already running :/ |
| 10:21.56 | dokma | petn-randall: amazingly rt2800usb wasn't loaded |
| 10:22.08 | dokma | now that I modprobed rt2800usb wlan0 is available |
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| 10:22.37 | dokma | but now wicd doesn't authenticate on the network that I always connect to and know the password for |
| 10:22.38 | babilen | truexfan81: I am sure there is a way to connect to two or more servers - testing and unstable are supported over there, so I would kindly ask you to ask testing/unstable specific questions over there. |
| 10:22.40 | n0_way | so..anyone? |
| 10:22.52 | n0_way | I really need to fix this |
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| 10:24.18 | truexfan81 | and also i'm currently running wheezy which is supported here, i'm trying to upgrade it to testing, but apt-get update is giving that error ;) |
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| 10:24.37 | babilen | n0_way: Sorry, I am not able to actually figure out what the actual problem is amidst your short messages mixed with pastes :-/ -- Could you ask one specific question again and provide relevant information in a pastebin? |
| 10:25.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell truexfan81 -about jessie sources.list |
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| 10:25.21 | n0_way | babilen: I'll put everything there :), just one sec :) |
| 10:25.38 | babilen | truexfan81: I wouldn't recommend to run jessie at this point - In particular not if you are not (yet) aware of the fact that jessie-updates does not exist. |
| 10:25.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell truexfan81 -about tum |
| 10:26.49 | babilen | truexfan81: You might want to consider that, but again: jessie will be a bumpy ride and I wouldn't recommend it if you are not willing to deal with a lot of problems and learn a lot. Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and take support/setup questions to #debian-next |
| 10:27.01 | babilen | truexfan81: err, "that" == "the tum setup" |
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| 10:30.25 | n0_way | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/2841/ there you go :) |
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| 10:32.04 | truexfan81 | bot is giving bad instructions :P says to use deb | http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main |
| 10:32.16 | truexfan81 | this gives 404s |
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| 10:33.05 | truexfan81 | i'll install hexchat and head over to the other server |
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| 10:33.58 | babilen | n0_way: okay, thanks .. |
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| 10:34.23 | n0_way | babilen: :))) any solution? |
| 10:34.31 | babilen | n0_way: Let me read :) |
| 10:34.37 | n0_way | babilen: sure |
| 10:34.51 | Sevet | truexfan81: that source works for me. where did that '|' come from? |
| 10:35.19 | truexfan81 | Sevet: irssi copy/paste is weird, i thought i had edited that out |
| 10:35.34 | ChrisH | n0_way: I would install grub into the to partions md1 is created from. |
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| 10:35.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell n0_way -about fixmbr |
| 10:36.41 | Sevet | i'd seriously reconsider switching to jessie yet. wheezy has only just been released, so jessie is still almost identical and could be unstable as packages begin to migrate. if you're having trouble with sources.list then you're probably going to have far more problems with jessie |
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| 10:36.51 | babilen | n0_way: Please note, in particular, that you made a mistake when you mounted proc into the chroot ... I'd try the procedure the bot just told you about and it would be interesting to see the output as well. |
| 10:37.10 | Towzzer | there is a distro that is debian based but on testing |
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| 10:37.27 | Towzzer | aptoisd |
| 10:37.28 | Towzzer | something |
| 10:37.39 | Towzzer | http://www.aptosid.com/ |
| 10:37.45 | Towzzer | "aptosid is an operating system based on the Debian GNU/Linux unstable branch, codenamed sid, and our ISOs hold fast to the core values and the Social Contract of Debian (DFSG)." |
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| 10:38.13 | n0_way | I'll umount the proc and mount it as the bot said :)) |
| 10:38.39 | Sevet | there are many distributions based on debian stable, testing and sid - but they're not supported in #debian |
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| 10:39.19 | jelly-home | Towzzer: why isn't is called aptotesting? aptesting? aptosting? |
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| 10:39.53 | Sevet | also testing (jessie) != unstable (sid) |
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| 10:40.29 | n0_way | grr |
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| 10:40.45 | n0_way | device is busy to umount |
| 10:41.10 | petn-randall | n0_way: You're still on the device in the chroot. |
| 10:41.25 | n0_way | petn-randall: nop |
| 10:41.28 | jelly-home | n0_way: lsof -n | grep /mountpoint as root |
| 10:41.53 | n0_way | jelly-home: nothing |
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| 10:42.06 | jelly-home | n0_way: did you set up any bind mount in the meantime? |
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| 10:42.23 | jelly-home | did not follow |
| 10:42.31 | jelly-home | too lazy to lastlog |
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| 10:44.23 | n0_way | jelly-home: take a look what I've got after using the mount --bind command |
| 10:44.30 | n0_way | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/2841/ |
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| 10:45.14 | HelenaKitty | http://paste.debian.net/2846/ |
| 10:45.25 | HelenaKitty | yet I chmodded the file to 0700 |
| 10:45.27 | HelenaKitty | O.o |
| 10:45.59 | jelly-home | n0_way: yeah, umount all of those. |
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| 10:46.29 | jelly-home | n0_way: /mnt/rescue/{dev,proc,sys} |
| 10:47.34 | jelly-home | they're below /mnt/rescue in the fs tree, and keep it used |
| 10:47.34 | HelenaKitty | jelly-home, |
| 10:47.36 | HelenaKitty | ? |
| 10:47.37 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 10:47.42 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: yes? |
| 10:47.48 | HelenaKitty | http://paste.debian.net/2846/ |
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| 10:47.58 | HelenaKitty | yet I chmodded it to 0700 |
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| 10:48.21 | HelenaKitty | so why is it telling me 0755 is too open when I know it is? |
| 10:48.37 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: I don't look at links without SOME context provided first, sorry. Describe your issue with a nice sentence here. |
| 10:48.57 | HelenaKitty | jelly-home, I want to store an RSA key onto a pendrive. |
| 10:49.11 | HelenaKitty | but when I run the RSA key it complains about permissions |
| 10:49.16 | HelenaKitty | please check the link! |
| 10:49.17 | ex-parrot | HelenaKitty: is it a FAT32 drive? |
| 10:49.27 | jelly-home | that way I can keep from wasting time on stuff I know nothing about |
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| 10:49.29 | HelenaKitty | ex-parrot, yes |
| 10:49.42 | ex-parrot | you need to mount it with the umask=... setting set such that the keyfile ends up being 0600 |
| 10:49.43 | HelenaKitty | cause I need to access it from Windows systems too |
| 10:49.54 | HelenaKitty | Windows systems which I am forced to use |
| 10:49.55 | ex-parrot | one moment and I'll remind myself what the right umask is |
| 10:50.05 | n0_way | jelly-home: did that, now I only got md1 and m2 |
| 10:50.15 | n0_way | and none on /dev && none on /proc |
| 10:50.29 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty, ex-parrot: something like umask=077 |
| 10:50.37 | HelenaKitty | okies |
| 10:50.49 | ex-parrot | yeah that sounds plausible, I can never remember the octal maths right so I was going to go check I remembered right :) |
| 10:51.00 | petn-randall | Which channel would be appropriate to ask about packaging questions? #debian-devel? |
| 10:51.06 | Sevet | HelenaKitty: also why 0700? it's a key file, so why the executable bit? |
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| 10:51.28 | HelenaKitty | Sevet, It's in a bash script |
| 10:51.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell petn-randall -about mentors |
| 10:51.41 | petn-randall | I've got some questions about triggers, which I want to implement in our company's software .deb |
| 10:51.55 | petn-randall | babilen: Ah, thanks. |
| 10:52.09 | jelly-home | n0_way: so are you able to umount /mnt/rescue now? |
| 10:52.20 | HelenaKitty | So if I put this RSA key into PuTTY it will work, right? |
| 10:52.25 | babilen | petn-randall: Note that that channel is meant for support of packages that are meant to be uploaded to Debian -- Please state that this is not the case for your package. |
| 10:52.27 | HelenaKitty | gah do I hate Windows SSH clients :( |
| 10:52.36 | n0_way | jelly-home: still busy |
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| 10:52.48 | ex-parrot | HelenaKitty: last time I used PuTTY you had to convert the key in to their own format first, using their tool |
| 10:52.53 | petn-randall | babilen: will do |
| 10:52.59 | HelenaKitty | WTF?! |
| 10:53.11 | jelly-home | n0_way: dunno, pastebin your cat /proc/mounts |
| 10:53.13 | ex-parrot | I usually just use cygwin's openssh package |
| 10:53.13 | HelenaKitty | ex-parrot, Isn't that just stupid of them?! O.o |
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| 10:53.33 | jelly-home | n0_way: or just remount it read-only and continue |
| 10:53.35 | ChrisH | HelenaKitty: ACK, putty did/does use another format. install an OS on the box and get rid of Windows :) |
| 10:53.45 | HelenaKitty | ChrisH, not possible |
| 10:53.50 | HelenaKitty | they're not my systems |
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| 10:54.00 | HelenaKitty | I personally wouldn't use Windows |
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| 10:54.46 | ChrisH | HelenaKitty: then you need to convert the key and put it somewhere on the windows system, have it still PW encrpyted. google: putty sshkey convert should bring up details |
| 10:54.52 | n0_way | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/2851/ |
| 10:55.02 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 10:55.11 | ex-parrot | or find a portable openssh build for windows |
| 10:55.26 | HelenaKitty | :\ |
| 10:55.26 | jelly-home | n0_way: lines 14-16 show you have NOT umounted the bind-mounts |
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| 10:55.39 | n0_way | :| |
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| 10:55.55 | HelenaKitty | Is it possible to use a debian chroot on Windows somehow? I'm aware it would require that Windows has a Linux kernel on it. |
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| 10:56.04 | HelenaKitty | I could always use a VM |
| 10:56.08 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: no, use a VM |
| 10:56.13 | n0_way | isn't the command umount? |
| 10:56.14 | jelly-home | or cygwin or whatnot |
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| 10:56.28 | HelenaKitty | it's just if I'm ever on a weak system a VM may fail. |
| 10:56.35 | jelly-home | n0_way: umount /mnt/resc/dev, and similar |
| 10:56.43 | HelenaKitty | and that time can't come. |
| 10:57.17 | ex-parrot | HelenaKitty: cygwin is about the closest thing to a "debian chroot" on windows I would think |
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| 10:57.20 | jelly-home | HelenaKitty: carry your own machine, then |
| 10:57.23 | n0_way | jelly-home: did that, about 4time |
| 10:57.30 | n0_way | for each /dev, proc, sys |
| 10:57.32 | n0_way | :| |
| 10:57.37 | ex-parrot | or, just convert your key and keep it in both formats. you don't change your SSH keys very often. |
| 10:57.54 | jelly-home | n0_way: then ignore it and just continue with whatever you're doing |
| 10:58.19 | n0_way | jelly-home: I've started with /proc now |
| 10:58.26 | n0_way | and now.. |
| 10:58.34 | n0_way | cat: proc/mounts: No such file or directory |
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| 10:59.14 | jelly-home | n0_way: why the fuck would you umount /proc? :-) |
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| 10:59.25 | HelenaKitty | Whyy does bread smell like glue?! O.o |
| 10:59.34 | HelenaKitty | I'm not trolling |
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| 10:59.46 | jelly-home | that's what all the trolls say. |
| 10:59.51 | STMelon | lol |
| 10:59.52 | HelenaKitty | lol |
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| 11:01.10 | HelenaKitty | I found this |
| 11:01.12 | HelenaKitty | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090702165007AA2WUd3 |
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| 11:02.00 | babilen | HelenaKitty: How exactly is that relevant to the topic of this channel? |
| 11:02.23 | HelenaKitty | babilen, sorry |
| 11:02.25 | HelenaKitty | :( |
| 11:02.33 | HelenaKitty | shuts up |
| 11:02.36 | HelenaKitty | bye and thnx |
| 11:03.32 | jelly-home | n0_way: just reboot, if that was your next step; a little rebooting while mounted doesn't hurt an ext4 fs |
| 11:05.43 | petn-randall | HelenaKitty: After a day of sniffing glue, everything smells like it. |
| 11:05.46 | petn-randall | hides. |
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| 11:06.38 | n0_way | jelly-home: :D just did a reboot |
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| 11:14.07 | wyswys | is there any active working channel to talk about apache? |
| 11:14.15 | wyswys | #httpd says - can not send to channel |
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| 11:14.38 | wyswys | as for debian with apache / lamp server, I have problem: |
| 11:14.58 | wyswys | apache uses MPM worker, 1216 requests currently being processed, 1023 idle workers |
| 11:15.26 | wyswys | server load is about half (50% of all CPUs time are idle), httpds are using some CPU but there is still idle time. No imortant hdd use (atop) |
| 11:15.52 | wyswys | and yet all pages, even empty hellow world html pages are served very slowly, taking 10-30 second. How can that be? |
| 11:16.06 | jelly-home | wyswys: you probably have to register a user with this network's nickname services, /msg nickserv help |
| 11:16.37 | jelly-home | wyswys: some channels battle spam by requiring registration |
| 11:18.24 | petn-randall | wyswys: Where is your web client on? Test the pages from the web server. I'm betting the network between the server and you is simply congested, with some package drops, making it super slow. |
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| 11:19.27 | ChrisH | wyswys: from OS point of view. does the speed change after restarting apache? Does atop show any colored lines? |
| 11:20.05 | wyswys | ChrisH: I know quite well atop/optimizing yes; atop is normal. CPU usage (all cpu) < 50%, also low hdd activity and gigabytes of free ram |
| 11:20.24 | wyswys | petn-randall: the slow pages are observed by all users |
| 11:20.29 | wyswys | http://procpm.com/ |
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| 11:20.53 | wyswys | and even http://176.31.229.96/ |
| 11:21.14 | petn-randall | wyswys: That is completely irrelevant for what I said. |
| 11:21.47 | wyswys | atop shows: http://pastebay.net/1213172 |
| 11:22.26 | petn-randall | wyswys: http://procpm.com/ loads for me in less than a second. |
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| 11:23.22 | wyswys | petn-randall: well even from localhost it timeouts basically |
| 11:23.40 | ChrisH | http://procpm.com/ does not load at all for me. |
| 11:23.41 | jelly-home | it loads a white page in less than a second, here in [/me checks proxy...] .de |
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| 11:24.22 | ChrisH | wyswys: did you check what these apaches are doing using strace? |
| 11:24.25 | petn-randall | wyswys: I doesn't seem to be network congestion, ping is < 50 ms from here. |
| 11:24.35 | jelly-home | reads the source |
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| 11:24.49 | wyswys | petn-randall: it also doesn't seem to be flood problem or conntrack table overflowing like on other servers that I optimized, because no warnings in dmesg |
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| 11:25.17 | wyswys | jelly-home: the point is, even the page "WWW is functioning normally" on http://176.31.229.96/ - takes long time to load |
| 11:25.20 | jelly-home | wyswys: do you have a completely static page somewhere? |
| 11:25.25 | wyswys | jelly-home: ^ |
| 11:25.34 | wyswys | it's just index.html file |
| 11:26.09 | jelly-home | oh yeah, it's sluggish |
| 11:26.28 | wyswys | ok this is inconsisten, try again please petn-randall |
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| 11:26.44 | jelly-home | blames OVH |
| 11:26.48 | wyswys | even from the server itself, doing wget localhost or wget http://176.31.229.96/ takes between 0.01 and 30 sec (timeout) |
| 11:27.11 | wyswys | jelly-home: I fired nginx for a moment to compare and it was working fine afair |
| 11:27.18 | jelly-home | wyswys: does your /server-status look weird? |
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| 11:28.51 | wyswys | jelly-home: I can give you access, also ChrisH or petn-randall if you would like, PM me your IP? also I pasted a part of it here: http://pastebay.net/1213176 |
| 11:29.38 | jelly-home | you'd have to pay me an extorbitant hourly rate for that access :-> |
| 11:29.55 | jelly-home | (sp?) |
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| 11:30.33 | et | for that "test page", it's establishing the connection that takes long |
| 11:31.02 | et | from http request to response it's basically instant |
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| 11:31.14 | jelly-home | wyswys: doesn't look immedately alarming apart from a seemingly huge number of maximum connections configured |
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| 11:32.20 | wyswys | jelly-home: yeah the huge amount was created to improve the server, it didn't helped |
| 11:32.31 | wyswys | on default LAMP - slow as hell |
| 11:32.37 | wyswys | changed to PMP worker - slow as hell |
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| 11:32.48 | wyswys | increases MPM worker settings like seen here - still slow as hell |
| 11:32.52 | jelly-home | wyswys: is there a disk bottleneck? |
| 11:32.57 | wyswys | slow as hell while no system resources are loaded |
| 11:32.59 | wyswys | jelly-home: nope |
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| 11:33.18 | wyswys | jelly-home: almost no hdd use - http://pastebay.net/1213172 |
| 11:33.18 | ChrisH | wyswys: check netstat -s for dropped and other ugly words |
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| 11:33.33 | petn-randall | wyswys: This might be a long shot, but do you have your DB on a RAID5? |
| 11:33.43 | jelly-home | wyswys: memory? |
| 11:33.59 | jelly-home | petn-randall: what kind of DB does slow down a static page? |
| 11:34.00 | ChrisH | wyswys: and run strace -p PID to see what they are doing. |
| 11:34.14 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Oh, must've missed that. |
| 11:34.23 | wyswys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.34 | jelly-home | petn-randall: the ip one is static, takes a bit to respond to the http query |
| 11:34.51 | wyswys | jelly-home: again, all is in atop http://pastebay.net/1213172 ... 32 GIGABYTE RAM free :) |
| 11:35.45 | jelly-home | wyswys: quite a bit of user% |
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| 11:36.19 | jelly-home | wyswys: inspect netstat and web logs for multiple accesses from a small amount of IPs |
| 11:36.19 | wyswys | am I now identified here on irc? |
| 11:36.40 | jelly-home | yes, /whois wyswys --> --- [wyswys] is logged in as wyswys |
| 11:36.41 | wyswys | jelly-home: yeah, that is not DoS. or it's distributed, but even if so - then why no resources are loaded? |
| 11:37.01 | Sevet | how many httpd workers are there? are they busy on non-static pages so the static page spends time queued before one is available to serve it? |
| 11:37.06 | wyswys | jelly-home: look on first CPU line the summary, most of the 12 cpus are idle |
| 11:37.12 | jelly-home | wyswys: obviously resources are loaded, you just need to figure out which ones |
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| 11:37.29 | gry | fresh install of fossil on debian. 'fossil init foobar' says 'fossil: SQLITE_ERROR: table blob already exists', someone who could have a clue how I can troubleshoot that? |
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| 11:37.45 | jelly-home | wyswys: I see 3-4 cores are fully loaded. |
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| 11:38.06 | jelly-home | on average |
| 11:38.18 | apm1 | 12 cpus 0_0 |
| 11:38.25 | apm1 | thats a lot of cores |
| 11:38.41 | jelly-home | apm1: not really, that's an entry level server. |
| 11:39.04 | jelly-home | 2x6core xeon, or worse, 1x6core with HT |
| 11:39.06 | HelenaKitty | petn-randall, O.o |
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| 11:39.18 | ChrisH | gry: If I put fossil: SQLITE_ERROR: table blob already exists into google I get to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1601151/how-do-i-check-in-sqlite-whether-a-table-exists which is nearly what I would do. |
| 11:39.40 | wyswys | apm1: Sevet: summary of the issue: # |
| 11:39.42 | gry | ChrisH, thanks, I landed at their mailing list and it wasn't as useful |
| 11:39.46 | wyswys | Apache server on http://procpm.com/ works very slowly (0 - 30 second to open page, average 10 second) despite being very powerfull computer (12 cpu, 64 GB ram), and despite NOT being loaded (cpu use<50%, almost zero hdd activity, 32 gb ram free), how this can be? Why apache can't scale and use the cpus to serve requests faster? ALL INFO: http://pastebay.net/1213177 |
| 11:39.47 | apm1 | jelly-home, what can a person like me who hasn't run anything more powerful than a dualcore i7 possibly know |
| 11:40.07 | petn-randall | apm1: You haven't seen the world then. I've got a server with 24 here :D. |
| 11:40.15 | apm1 | :p |
| 11:40.16 | gry | ChrisH, although I have no clue which sqlite db file it uses so I'm not entirely sure what to do yet |
| 11:40.23 | jelly-home | the fun starts at 2048 cores! |
| 11:40.37 | apm1 | that sounds like a GPU |
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| 11:40.47 | jelly-home | no, cpu cores. |
| 11:40.49 | ChrisH | jelly-home: but not using one Linux kernel over all of them. |
| 11:41.05 | jelly-home | ChrisH: oh yes. |
| 11:41.15 | ovidiu_C | Hello all, I'm new to Debian and I want to try install the Wheezy with KDE as de, is there any way to install the KDE at the installation instead of Gnome3? |
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| 11:41.35 | ChrisH | wyswys: can you show us lshow -short to rule out a missunderstanding on cores and cpus and HT |
| 11:41.39 | wyswys | ovidiu_C: you can always install anything and then apt-get install kde ... |
| 11:42.06 | ChrisH | ovidiu_C: yes. select another DE whuile starting the installer. |
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| 11:42.19 | jelly-home | ChrisH: eg. https://lwn.net/Articles/384936/ |
| 11:42.23 | apm1 | jargon, o/ |
| 11:42.24 | wyswys | ChrisH: ok but btw the main thing is, it does not matter if server is good/slow, but the fact it is is serving slowly despite NOT USING the resources available |
| 11:43.02 | wyswys | ChrisH: lshow ? what's that? |
| 11:43.10 | ovidiu_C | ChrisH: thanks, now I found it deep in the first screen of the installer |
| 11:43.19 | ChrisH | wyswys: thats a typo... should be lshw -short :) |
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| 11:43.26 | jargon | apm1: hi! how did your laptop heating issue go? |
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| 11:43.34 | apm1 | still there |
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| 11:43.39 | ovidiu_C | wyswys: I'm a lazy person, thanks anyway |
| 11:43.59 | jargon | apm1: even with the AC cooling? |
| 11:44.37 | apm1 | jargon, well it did go 70'c when the AC was at 17'C room temp |
| 11:44.40 | gry | ChrisH: could you suggest a bit more specific detail please? |
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| 11:45.40 | jargon | apm1: sounds like a bigger issue than just room temperature, then |
| 11:46.01 | apm1 | no...sounds like classic amd screwover to me |
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| 11:47.33 | ChrisH | gry: I do not know what fossil is, but to find out I would run: strace -f -o /tmp/strace.fossil fossil init foobar ; then run egrep -e "open|stat" /tmp/strace.fossil and hopefully you will see the name of the sqlite file fossil tries to open. They use sqlite tools to drop the database or if you know what is in tje file, delete it. |
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| 11:47.51 | loaden | great! I can use webchat.freenode.net now. |
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| 11:48.22 | jelly-home | wyswys: revert apache settings for MaxClient*, it doesn't help obviously; show dmesg (/var/log/kern.log has timestamps!) and netstat -tupan (yeah, I want UDP as well, just for fun) |
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| 11:48.26 | mniip_ | loaden, switch to a real client asap, though |
| 11:48.30 | jargon | apm1: yeah |
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| 11:49.07 | jelly-home | wyswys: how many connections and/or hits per second do you have typically at this time of day? |
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| 11:49.44 | loaden | mniip_: I can't connect to irc use local irc client, e.g. irssi. |
| 11:49.57 | gry | ChrisH: ok, removing ~/.fossil worked (whatever the fossil package maintainer put in there) |
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| 11:50.05 | mniip_ | loaden, why not |
| 11:50.05 | apm1 | jargon, http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=95739 (its a common problem with this model ) |
| 11:50.14 | mniip_ | how does qwebirc fix that |
| 11:50.24 | loaden | mniip_: I think because the DNS locked. |
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| 11:52.34 | loaden | mniip_: could you tell me what's the best irc client on Linux? |
| 11:53.15 | petn-randall | loaden: There is no 'best' client. There's just one that suites you best. Try xchat, it's fairly easy and straight forward GUI IRC client. |
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| 11:54.16 | MarceFe | some one can help me? I try run stratum server on my litecoin pool, with i have this error: "***** Is service_repository missing? Add service_repository module to your python path!" I don't have idea what i doing! :S |
| 11:54.32 | mniip_ | loaden, it's hard to tell |
| 11:54.52 | mniip_ | i use xchat |
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| 11:55.09 | MarceFe | ? |
| 11:55.14 | MarceFe | :/ |
| 11:55.17 | mniip_ | loaden, probably telnet is the best one |
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| 11:55.47 | jelly-home | loaden: if you want things to try: irssi; weechat |
| 11:55.48 | loaden | petn-randall: I don't like xchat very well. so, I want find another client. |
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| 11:55.58 | jelly-home | loaden: what do you miss in xchat? |
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| 11:56.25 | mniip_ | i hate default xchat view, i mean the irc text field |
| 11:56.27 | loaden | mniip_: telnet can connect irc server? |
| 11:56.34 | mniip_ | i've reconfigured like everything in it |
| 11:56.39 | mniip_ | loaden, yes, why not |
| 11:56.54 | jelly-home | mniip_: please do not confuse newbs with humorous answers |
| 11:56.56 | loaden | jelly-home: the message notify seems not good. |
| 11:57.15 | loaden | mniip_: I don't know that. |
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| 11:57.33 | jelly-home | loaden: they open in new tab... do you mean the window list notification? |
| 11:57.38 | mniip_ | loaden, it's a joke, ignore that |
| 11:57.53 | loaden | I wan't find a client it works with GNOME3's usermenu. |
| 11:58.30 | loaden | jelly-home: I mean the message notification. |
| 11:58.30 | jelly-home | yeah... I'm not sure many people here know a lot about Gnome 3, in spite of it being default DE in Debian |
| 11:58.31 | mniip_ | jelly-home, one more thing about xchat, private notices, they're supposed to pop up in your current window |
| 11:58.55 | mniip_ | but they can actually be printed in any window you share with that user |
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| 11:59.05 | jelly-home | loaden: yeah, I have no idea what you mean. |
| 11:59.05 | apm1 | bbl |
| 11:59.41 | loaden | I jelly-home sorry, thank you advise. |
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| 12:00.15 | nonconvergent | Anyone know what package I might find times new roman in? |
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| 12:00.22 | mniip_ | jelly-home, this is very annoying when, for instance, all nickserv replies pop up in #services |
| 12:00.47 | nonconvergent | libreoffice can display a document with it just fine, but when I go to check the list of fonts I can't find it. |
| 12:01.04 | jelly-home | mniip_: prevent that by opening a separate tab with /query nickserv in advance |
| 12:01.25 | laite | loaden: IIRC pidgin does quite good with gnome3 |
| 12:01.39 | mniip_ | well, all other irc clients do that the correct way |
| 12:01.44 | babilen | loaden: https://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#IRC -- but I have no idea if empathy should be considered a good IRC client. Take a look at quassel, kvirc, irssi, weechat, hexchat and konversation and pick whatever you like best |
| 12:01.55 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: it possibly uses the replacement Liberation fonts |
| 12:02.20 | loaden | laite: I have tried with pidgin, but it's not stable. It's broken my OS many times. |
| 12:02.21 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell nonconvergent about liberation |
| 12:02.26 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell nonconvergent about msttcorefonts |
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| 12:02.59 | loaden | babilen: does empathy has irc plugin in Debian DS? |
| 12:03.10 | babilen | loaden: What is Debian DS? |
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| 12:03.21 | loaden | babilen: empathy seems great, but it's should not support Irc. |
| 12:04.04 | loaden | babilen: ignore thd `Debian DS`, just `Debian Wheezy`. |
| 12:04.31 | babilen | judd: v telepathy-idle |
| 12:04.32 | judd | Package: telepathy-idle on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.6-1; jessie: 0.1.11-2; wheezy: 0.1.11-2; sid: 0.1.16-1 |
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| 12:05.08 | babilen | loaden: I don't see why not -- Did you read the link I gave you? They mention that you need telepathy-idle which is packaged in Debian as you can see ^^^ |
| 12:05.20 | i4c | hello, does anyone know where i can download debian jessie ? i looked at the debian site, but i can only find squeeze and wheezy |
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| 12:05.25 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 12:05.41 | loaden | babilen: I am reading now. It's does not work before when I using Ubuntu 12.04. |
| 12:07.20 | lancelot_of | as i told yesterday i wrongly upgraded distro with testing in sources.list instead of wheezy so i installed some new testing packages. Now i don't want to downgrade in anyway, the system still seems to be stable, but i just want to install ia32 libs which were wrongly removed and that i'm not able to install anymore. How to solve?Please help |
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| 12:08.35 | babilen | loaden: I have never used it and Debian is not Ubuntu -- As I said: I wouldn't necessarily consider empathy to be a great IRC client, but give it a try (along with the clients that I mentioned earlier) -- You can also use internet search engines to find lengthy discussions on this topic. (amazing, I know!) |
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| 12:09.11 | Sevet | lancelot_of: ia32 packages are replaced by multiarch in both wheezy + jessie |
| 12:09.18 | Sevet | the ones that still exist are transitional packages |
| 12:09.36 | Sevet | !tell lancelot_of -about multiarch |
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| 12:10.55 | babilen | lancelot_of: That is also discussed in the release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#ia32libs |
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| 12:12.00 | babilen | lancelot_of: Why and whatfor do you require ia32-* libs? You really shouldn't need those anymore as you can install the packages in question directly. Every package that explicitly depends on them should be considered broken … |
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| 12:12.25 | lancelot_of | babilen, i'd like to install acroread |
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| 12:12.59 | babilen | lancelot_of: From dmm? |
| 12:13.48 | lancelot_of | from mi.mirror.garr |
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| 12:15.22 | lancelot_of | babilen, and also because now i see in dmesg :"warning: `VirtualBox' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)" so i'm not able anymore to run virtualbox |
| 12:16.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell lancelot_of about vbox-install wheezy |
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| 12:17.36 | babilen | lancelot_of: And what is mi.mirror.garr? But you should be able to install the ia32-* metapackages if you enabled multiarch (as detailed in the multiarch howto and in the release notes) -- Would you mind pasting actual output of your upgrade problem to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 12:20.55 | sacredchao | Oh wow!! sid has a realtime Linux 3.8 package!! |
| 12:21.02 | sacredchao | Exxcellennt.... |
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| 12:22.29 | crazydip | what is the default filesystem for /boot in debian 7? |
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| 12:22.49 | loaden | babilen: I will. thank you. |
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| 12:23.28 | MaxFrames | hello, running arpwatch in debian; quick question, why does it display many ethernet vendors as unknown? for example 7c:ad:74 is Cisco but arpwatch says "unknown" |
| 12:23.45 | MaxFrames | is there any way to update the vendor database? |
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| 12:24.01 | dokma | which key is XF86Display?? |
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| 12:26.56 | jelly-home | dokma: on a laptop keyboard, given proper support for that keyboard, the one to switch internal-external display. Fn-F7 on my Thinkpad keyboard. |
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| 12:27.27 | Sevet | MaxFrames: 'man massagevendor' which updates /usr/share/arpwatch/ethercodes.dat |
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| 12:27.38 | dokma | jelly-home, I see... |
| 12:27.42 | dokma | thanks a bunch |
| 12:27.51 | MaxFrames | thanks |
| 12:28.18 | crazydip | dokma: every keyboard is different... but for me it's fn+f7 (thinkpad) |
| 12:28.28 | Sevet | MaxFrames: looks like the first 3 urls in the manpage are broken links |
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| 12:28.37 | Sevet | but the ieee one's good |
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| 12:29.11 | Sevet | and contains that cisco example you gave |
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| 12:29.25 | MaxFrames | ok thanks again |
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| 12:31.54 | lancelot_of | babilen, yes, just few minutes, sorry ;) |
| 12:32.00 | MarceFe | someone did? implement stratum protocol with pushpoold and bitcoind ? |
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| 12:33.07 | jelly-home | MarceFe: uh, you might want to ask in a bitcoin dev channel maybe |
| 12:33.58 | jelly-home | MarceFe: dunno if there is one, try /msg alias list *bitcoin* |
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| 12:34.13 | jelly-home | MarceFe: sorry, /msg alis list *bitcoin* |
| 12:34.14 | h00ked | how can i open terminal in folder under gnome-shell? shift + right click is not working |
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| 12:41.44 | Queops | Hello. I was installing with debian-7.0.0-i386-netinst.iso and suddenly "Installation step failed", Select and install software |
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| 12:42.04 | flobian | HI! |
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| 12:43.03 | flobian | I tried to dist-upgrade from 6.0 to 7.0. Perl seems to make trouble: libuuid-perl : Depends: perl-base (>= 5.14.2-13) but 5.10.1-17squeeze6 is to be installed, Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 |
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| 12:45.01 | Sevet | did you run 'apt-get update'? what do your sources.list look like (paste.debian.net) |
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| 12:45.35 | flobian | Sevet: apt-get update && dist-upgrade |
| 12:46.25 | jelly-home | flobian: please pastebin the complete output, or as much as you can |
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| 12:47.34 | Queops | How can I see what's wrong and how to fix it? |
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| 12:48.56 | flobian | http://paste.debian.net/2876/ |
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| 12:49.56 | flobian | I don't need mimedefang on this machine. But I cannot remove it. |
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| 12:50.54 | loaden | hi, guys. I know why the screen darkness when I want enter tty1 press `Ctrl+Alt+F1`. It's UEFI problem. |
| 12:51.17 | loaden | I switched to legacy BIOS, then the issue gone. |
| 12:51.21 | jelly-home | flobian: verify mimedefang is stopped (check processes!); start it again, then do dpkg --remove mimedefang |
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| 12:52.09 | loaden | It's seems the UEFI support still not stable. In my other PC, I can't install Wheezy with UEFI mode. |
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| 12:52.35 | Sevet | flobian: dist-upgrade didn't work because of mimedefang, you need to fix that first... |
| 12:52.41 | loaden | after install Wheezy, the grub2 does not work. and I can't enter my OS. |
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| 12:54.14 | flobian | Sevet: mimedefang was not running. I added 'exit 0' in first line of /etc/init.d/mimedefang |
| 12:54.23 | flobian | mimedefang is removed now. |
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| 12:54.39 | jelly-home | seems like mimedefang has yet another buggy, broken init script that fails on stopping it twice in a row |
| 12:54.48 | jelly-home | flobian: now do apt-get -f install |
| 12:55.15 | loaden | for now, I have another problem with a fresh laptop. I can't enter Wheezy with this message: "... Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting...", then I can't see anything until reboot. |
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| 12:56.20 | Lehti | Hey! I've been doing some preliminary practicing with compiling various kernels. How does one go about compiling modules directly into the kernel? |
| 12:56.41 | Lehti | A tad hard to find anything specific on the subject |
| 12:56.52 | xzcvczx | Lehti: well you have no yes or M |
| 12:56.57 | xzcvczx | M is seperate module |
| 12:57.03 | Lehti | Ah, ok! |
| 12:57.08 | xzcvczx | the ticked option is compiled in |
| 12:57.20 | kakashi_ | I suddenly get this message bash: /usr/bin/less: No such file or directory when I type less |
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| 12:57.24 | Lehti | is it possible to convert all the M options into yes? |
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| 12:57.33 | Lehti | or do I have to plow through all the options separately |
| 12:57.36 | kakashi_ | I did dist-upgrade an hour back |
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| 12:57.45 | kakashi_ | what is the package to get back less? |
| 12:57.47 | xzcvczx | Lehti: its a good idea to go through them seperately and see what you are enabling |
| 12:57.52 | xzcvczx | its not that many options in the kernel |
| 12:58.08 | Lehti | Indeed. But thanks a lot, helped me a great deal forward! |
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| 12:59.07 | xzcvczx | kakashi_: was less in wheezy |
| 12:59.12 | xzcvczx | kakashi_: you switched to jessie? |
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| 12:59.23 | kakashi_ | not sure, let me just check my sources |
| 12:59.38 | xzcvczx | kakashi_: also it might be a lib problem run 'ldd /usr/bin/less' |
| 12:59.42 | zykotick9 | kakashi_: there is/was a thread on the mailing list about "less" the last couple of days. tring to install "less" wants to remove a bunch of crap on my wheezy :( i didn't realize i was missing it either (hadn't tried). |
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| 13:00.14 | ragnul | hi, I'm getting a linker error when trying to use openjdk7: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/xawt/libmawt.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi_krb5.so.2: undefined symbol: GSS_C_NT_MACHINE_UID_NAME, version gssapi_krb5_2_MIT |
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| 13:00.52 | kakashi_ | aha, btw, deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free <--- is this a culprit? the 'testing'? |
| 13:01.27 | zykotick9 | kakashi_: it's a MUCH better idea to use codenames, and not stable/testing/unstable in sources.list |
| 13:01.30 | jelly-home | ragnul: what versions of packages containing /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/xawt/libmawt.so and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi_krb5.so.2* are installed? |
| 13:01.48 | Malsasa | Hello. I need help in wget. I wanna download a file from http://www1.datafilehost.com/get.php?file=12db399d. What is proper wget command? I have tried many but all fail. One of my command was wget -c -U "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14" -H -O gimp.alldeb http://www1.datafilehost.com/get.php?file=12db399d. |
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| 13:02.01 | jelly-home | zykotick9: well, except for unstable |
| 13:02.02 | kakashi_ | zykotick9: sure, I will change that in a bit, btw, did you get it back, less? |
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| 13:02.19 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: ya, sid is always sid :p |
| 13:02.48 | Queops | I was installing with debian-7.0.0-i386-netinst.iso and suddenly "Installation step failed", Select and install software. How do I fix it? |
| 13:02.52 | ragnul | jelly-home: openjdk-7-jre:amd64 (7u21-2.3.9-4) libgssapi-krb5-2:amd64 (1.10.1+dfsg-5) |
| 13:03.02 | zykotick9 | kakashi_: no. but i've only been looking at the problem, since i sent the message to you ;) |
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| 13:03.45 | kakashi_ | zykotick9: aha, cool, same here! |
| 13:04.02 | zykotick9 | kakashi_: is you had testing and dist-upgraded, you're technically on jessie now. downgrades are not "supported". good luck. (this less isssue isn't really due to jessie though, it's a wheezy issue as well) |
| 13:04.12 | jelly-home | Malsasa: you won't get around that javascript-laden page with wget only. BTW, why are you downloading packages for Ubuntu 13.04 if you're using Debian? |
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| 13:04.22 | ragnul | jelly-home: oh, exciting. reinstalling gssapi fixed it... same version, but the lib must have gotten mixed up... |
| 13:04.46 | ragnul | jelly-home: (and this was working yesterday and I have no idea what could have written to that .so ... oh well) |
| 13:04.49 | jelly-home | ragnul: weird. I blame the phase of the Moon! |
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| 13:05.03 | jelly-home | ragnul: (but do run a couple memory tests) |
| 13:05.08 | xzcvczx | jelly-home: nah dude, solar flares :P |
| 13:05.08 | Malsasa | jelly-home: no, no, I wanna make a mirror for my friend packages./ |
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| 13:05.10 | kakashi_ | zykotick9: well, I am okay with jessie, but I am in dire need of less! I hate more, less is so much more :( |
| 13:05.26 | zykotick9 | kakashi_: agreed |
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| 13:05.49 | starbuck | hello, could someone tell me where to install themes for empathy? |
| 13:06.00 | xzcvczx | kakashi_: /bin/busybox less <file> :P |
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| 13:07.07 | kakashi_ | hmm, that is a nice hack |
| 13:07.24 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 13:07.31 | xzcvczx | but unlikely to have everything you want |
| 13:07.51 | somethinginteres | I have an NFS set up, I have files i want to share spread out between hard drives. Idealy I'd like to export one folder but have that folder contain the files from various locations I tried symlinking but the client won't follow the links. AUFS seems to work but it looks like it actually takes up the physical space on the mount point. I really just want a central access location w/out taking up the space if possible? |
| 13:07.52 | kakashi_ | still, better than more := |
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| 13:17.00 | ChrisH | somethinginteres: I am not sure to get the point. You want to reshare nfsmounts? |
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| 13:17.55 | somethinginteres | ChrisH: not re-share per-se, unshare and consolidate. atm I have a bunch of folders and I'd have to export each of them individually. I want to unify them all into a folder and just export that single folder. |
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| 13:19.33 | somethinginteres | ChrisH: if that makes sense. |
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| 13:19.59 | sp1d3r | hi to all |
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| 13:22.58 | jelly-home | Malsasa: one simple thing to try is provide a referer url |
| 13:23.22 | ChrisH | somethinginteres: I still do not understand what you have nor what you want to achieve. can you pastebin (paste.debian.net) the current setup. Maybe then it gets better understandable. |
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| 13:23.46 | jelly-home | Malsasa: --referer=http://www1.datafilehost.com/d/12db399d or something |
| 13:24.01 | Malsasa | jelly-home: wow, I will try that! |
| 13:24.02 | dokma | when I install a package it pulls it's dependencies but when I deinstall it immediatelly after the deps are left behind |
| 13:24.09 | somethinginteres | ChrisH: sure, sorry I'm not putting it across properly |
| 13:24.15 | dokma | is there some setting to trigger deinstallation of deps |
| 13:24.40 | jelly-home | dokma: how are you deinstalling it? |
| 13:25.15 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 13:25.15 | dpkg | [unionfs] A stackable "unification filesystem" combines several directories to provide a merged single directory. Used in Live CD / diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is joined with a writable tmpfs filesystem. For a kernel-space implementation, ask me about <aufs>. For user-space implementations, ask me about <unionfs-fuse>, <funionfs>. "Unionfs for Linux" was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #515958. |
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| 13:25.17 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 13:25.32 | abrotman | somethinginteres: like the above? |
| 13:25.48 | dokma | jelly-home, from aptitude with purge |
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| 13:26.44 | jelly-home | dokma: huh, aptitude automatically cleans up unneeded packages that used to be installed automatically, by default |
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| 13:26.56 | dokma | it should do that |
| 13:27.15 | dokma | I just installed tilda and removed it immediately and the deps were left behind |
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| 13:27.25 | jelly-home | dokma: do you have output from one such installation and removal? |
| 13:27.29 | somethinginteres | aboman: exactly like that but I note that say you have 3 folders, each folder contains one 10MB file and you mount a unionfs somewhere that resulting mount point location actually takes up 30MB in addition to the space taken up by the files in their original location |
| 13:27.42 | abrotman | somethinginteres: abro<tab> .. it's not difficult |
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| 13:28.00 | somethinginteres | abrotman: sorry about that. |
| 13:28.19 | dokma | jelly-home, I can try it again... |
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| 13:28.33 | dokma | I'll remove the left behind deps with deborphan |
| 13:29.08 | abrotman | somethinginteres: are you saying it will or won't work? have you tried it yet? |
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| 13:29.54 | lancelot_of | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/2890/ |
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| 13:30.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell lancelot_of -about localised errors |
| 13:30.25 | lancelot_of | the italian messages are easily understandable..."package has dependencies..."etc |
| 13:30.32 | somethinginteres | abrotman: I have tried it. It does work and does what I want but it also occupies a massive amount of space since you're combining folders into one. My original question was in regards to whether there's a method to achieve the same outcome without occupying the extra space. |
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| 13:31.05 | negge_ | I'm trying to run apt-get dist-upgrade on a Squeeze machine but it gets stuck on "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'linux-headers-2.6-amd64'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)". This is not even an amd64 system so I don't know why it wants to install the 64-bit headers. I've tried the workarounds mentioned in the release notes but so far they've been unsuccessful. Any advice on how to proceed? |
| 13:31.15 | babilen | lancelot_of: Did you enable i386? May I see the output of "apt-cache policy ia32-libs-i386 libcups2:i386" too please? |
| 13:31.46 | themill | dpkg: tell negge_ about squeeze->wheezy failures |
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| 13:36.29 | negge_ | themill: none of those suggestions worke |
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| 13:37.38 | themill | negge_: it would be nice to see the command and the full output in a pastebin, please |
| 13:37.42 | negge_ | it always fails on linux-headers-2.6-amd64 or the package I'm trying to install manually |
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| 13:37.49 | negge_ | themill: sure |
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| 13:38.35 | petn-randall | negge_: Don't try to install packages manually in the middle of a dist-upgrade. That'll just make more of a mess. |
| 13:38.37 | themill | negge_: your current sources.list would be good to see too |
| 13:39.39 | negge_ | themill: http://pastebin.com/v9XPsgHU |
| 13:39.48 | negge_ | that's from running apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:40.08 | dokma | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/jg81EtiB |
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| 13:40.28 | negge_ | themill: http://pastebin.com/ztFsFsK2 sources.list |
| 13:40.39 | negge_ | petn-randall: haven't done that yet |
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| 13:41.13 | themill | negge_: what does «apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0» want to do? |
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| 13:41.46 | negge_ | themill: it's exactly the same as just apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:41.59 | negge_ | that was the first thing I tried |
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| 13:42.29 | fosap2 | Is there a way to get a "offline" installtion of debian? I'm looking for a debian image with a gcc |
| 13:42.34 | hifi | http://pastebin.com/vqrKubz5 ok, I didn't read my apt-get update log quite well and this happened, can I save my running system anymore? |
| 13:42.52 | fosap2 | and some other software installed for a arm that does not have internet |
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| 13:43.29 | themill | negge_: ok, how about «dpkg -r linux-headers-2.6-amd64»? |
| 13:43.32 | negge_ | themill: is there any way to find out why it wants to install the amd64 headers? The package isn't installed at the moment |
| 13:43.37 | jelly-home | dokma: what happens if you just "aptitude install" after that? |
| 13:43.51 | negge_ | themill: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove linux-headers-2.6-amd64 which isn't installed. |
| 13:43.53 | dokma | jelly-home, just did |
| 13:43.57 | themill | negge_: really? hmm |
| 13:43.57 | dokma | it installs only tilda package |
| 13:43.58 | flobian | dist-upgrade to wheezy worked now. Thanks to jelly-home and Sevet! |
| 13:44.03 | dokma | as all the rest are already there |
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| 13:44.33 | flobian | The only problem I have now is a filesystem check on every reboot. Sometimes / is ro |
| 13:44.54 | petn-randall | flobian: You need / to be ro to make a fs check. |
| 13:45.01 | jelly-home | dokma: does "aptitude remove tilda" act similar? |
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| 13:45.40 | dokma | jelly-home, let me try |
| 13:45.55 | dokma | I'll remove all the deps, install tilda and do aptitude remove tilda |
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| 13:46.13 | themill | negge_: what happens if you try to install linux-headers-686-pae? |
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| 13:47.09 | xzcvczx | themill: have you had him run uname -r already? can't see it in scroll-back? |
| 13:47.12 | negge_ | themill: http://pastebin.com/dEFU9G8D it fails in the same way but on that package instead |
| 13:47.31 | negge_ | xzcvczx: Linux xxx 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:47.34 | tux-is-alive | How can i install gnome 2 on wheezy |
| 13:47.42 | negge_ | like I said, this is not even a 64-bit system |
| 13:47.51 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
| 13:47.52 | negge_ | there is not a single amd64 package installed |
| 13:47.56 | jelly-home | tux-is-alive: it's gone. No more Gnome 2 in Debian. |
| 13:48.38 | tux-is-alive | Any alernative i hate gnome 3 |
| 13:48.42 | themill | negge_: did you try btw "apt-get upgrade" before dist-upgrade? |
| 13:48.47 | negge_ | yes |
| 13:48.49 | jelly-home | tux-is-alive: any other DE? xfce? |
| 13:48.55 | dokma | jelly-home, same thing, deps are left behind... |
| 13:48.56 | xzcvczx | tux-is-alive: plenty, or wm |
| 13:49.01 | negge_ | themill: it finished successfully |
| 13:49.10 | xzcvczx | tux-is-alive: unity |
| 13:49.11 | themill | negge_: can you "apt-get install apt" then? |
| 13:49.13 | xzcvczx | hides |
| 13:49.29 | tux-is-alive | No i mean such as modded gnome 3 |
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| 13:49.44 | negge_ | themill: it also fails on linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 13:49.49 | themill | hmph. |
| 13:49.50 | xzcvczx | tux-is-alive: modded gnome 3? |
| 13:49.53 | xzcvczx | tux-is-alive: theres cinnamon |
| 13:49.54 | negge_ | like I said I already tried everything the bot suggested to no avail |
| 13:49.56 | xzcvczx | tux-is-alive: or mate |
| 13:49.56 | jelly-home | dokma: ok. after installation, does "apt-mark showauto libvte9" show a line of output? |
| 13:50.00 | lancelot_of | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/2894/ |
| 13:50.04 | jelly-home | ,v cinnamon |
| 13:50.06 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.4-2; sid: 1.7.4-2 |
| 13:50.15 | jelly-home | xzcvczx: neither are in wheezy, I fear |
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| 13:50.18 | xzcvczx | haha woops, didn't realise it wasn't in wheezy |
| 13:50.21 | tux-is-alive | Ok ill test em or go back to squeezy |
| 13:50.25 | xzcvczx | ,v mate |
| 13:50.26 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
| 13:50.43 | dokma | jelly-home, it shows it as marked auto yes |
| 13:50.49 | lancelot_of | babilen, sorry, i'm going to provide it to you in english, sorry ;) |
| 13:50.50 | themill | negge_: aptitude normally botches upgrades like this, but you could try a dist-upgrade with it for amusement value just to see what it thinks |
| 13:51.13 | jelly-home | dokma: ok. Remove tilda, what does "aptitude why libvte9" say? |
| 13:51.19 | babilen | lancelot_of: Did you enable i386 multiarch already? |
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| 13:52.13 | lancelot_of | babilen, i've done dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update |
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| 13:52.27 | dokma | xfce4-terminal depends on libvte9 |
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| 13:52.37 | babilen | lancelot_of: And I am loosing track of what you are doing as this takes so long. This happens when you run "apt-get dist-uprade" during the squeeze->wheezy upgrade and after you enabled the i386 multiarch feature? |
| 13:52.39 | jelly-home | dokma: is it installed? |
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| 13:53.16 | dokma | jelly-home, no |
| 13:53.25 | themill | negge_: is it still trying to solve conflicts and not getting anywhere? |
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| 13:53.41 | jelly-home | dokma: sounds like a bug. |
| 13:54.08 | BlackoutIsHere | o/ all |
| 13:54.09 | jelly-home | dokma: is xfce4-terminal marked auto? |
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| 13:54.20 | dokma | jelly-home, can you take a look? http://pastebin.com/SpxVWuJr |
| 13:54.24 | negge_ | themill: it wants to remove 148 packages, compared to 20 something for apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:54.26 | BlackoutIsHere | anyone know how much BW a debian iso mirror will need? |
| 13:54.27 | negge_ | the conflicts where all fine |
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| 13:54.51 | lancelot_of | babilen, this happens after upgrading yesterday wheezy with testing in sources.list |
| 13:54.54 | themill | negge_: I'd copy and paste that list and then let it do it. You can always reinstall individual packages later. |
| 13:55.02 | negge_ | okay |
| 13:55.05 | lancelot_of | babilen, it was a mistake |
| 13:55.12 | jelly-home | dokma: file a bug report for aptitude, make sure to include that aptitude why output, it seems useful. |
| 13:55.26 | lancelot_of | now i corrected sources.list with wheezy instead of testing |
| 13:55.30 | dokma | ok, thanks a bunch |
| 13:55.58 | BlackoutIsHere | anyone? :P |
| 13:55.59 | lancelot_of | because i don't want to have jessie at the moment |
| 13:56.06 | lancelot_of | babilen, ^^ |
| 13:56.20 | negge_ | themill: I guess I don't have a choice but to try aptitude then |
| 13:57.24 | themill | negge_: well, at this stage I'd be tempted to go with what looks like it will actually get the job done. The only other thing to try at this stage would be using aptitude to install either the headers package and/or apt to see if you can get those sorted to then continue with apt-get |
| 13:57.53 | dokma | jelly-home, does this one sound similar to you? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637257 |
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| 13:58.39 | raccoon_ | hmmmm. which service should be restarted/HUPed for nautilus to re-read mount definitions from /etc/fstab (in the sidebar)? |
| 13:58.52 | raccoon_ | preferrably without logging out |
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| 14:00.10 | jelly-home | dokma: maybe, if you can confirm their way of checking for auto mark "aptitude show libvte9" shows it's not marked auto -- that would be a different result from what you tested with apt-mark |
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| 14:00.48 | dokma | jelly-home, let me check that one |
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| 14:02.38 | negge_ | themill: I removed dkms, after that apt-get dist-upgrade worked! |
| 14:02.41 | negge_ | at least it does something |
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| 14:03.54 | themill | negge_: oh... I looked for dkms in one of your earlier pastes but couldn't find it. (I figured it was probably the thing wanting the kernel headers) |
| 14:04.08 | pithagorians | probably offtop, but i don't know where to ask soft raid related issues. is it possible somehow that the soft raid is making one of the disks 100 % busy? and if yes - why? |
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| 14:05.08 | negge_ | themill: okay |
| 14:05.20 | negge_ | well thanks for your help in any case! |
| 14:05.26 | negge_ | upgrade seems to be going fine so far |
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| 14:06.06 | themill | negge_: excellent. Good to hear. |
| 14:06.16 | babilen | lancelot_of: So, what does "aptitude install ia32-libs" give you? What about "aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" ? |
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| 14:08.52 | fosap2 | Which package contains the pthread lib? |
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| 14:09.53 | fosap2 | I want to crosscompile somthing for arm that does need pthreads. They are not present, pro because it is not installed. I want to install it with xapt but can't find the package |
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| 14:12.21 | jelly-home | fosap2: "it"? |
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| 14:13.27 | fosap2 | jelly-home: somehow the libary seems missing. I get linker errors. |
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| 14:14.22 | BlackoutIsHere | am I invisible? lol |
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| 14:14.32 | fosap2 | "(.text+0x54): undefined reference to `pthread_yield'" |
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| 14:15.00 | petn-randall | BlackoutIsHere: We can read you. 158 GB last time I checked, only for i386 + amd64. |
| 14:15.19 | petn-randall | BlackoutIsHere: That was squeeze. For wheezy it's probably more. |
| 14:15.26 | petn-randall | BlackoutIsHere: What do you need a mirror for? |
| 14:15.28 | BlackoutIsHere | petn-randall, I meant bandwidth for ISO mirrors |
| 14:15.49 | BlackoutIsHere | I was considering hosting a public one |
| 14:16.17 | petn-randall | BlackoutIsHere: Oh, no idea. You'd best get in contact with the admins. |
| 14:16.45 | BlackoutIsHere | how would I do that? |
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| 14:17.05 | petn-randall | BlackoutIsHere: debian-cd@lists.debian.org |
| 14:17.14 | BlackoutIsHere | ok |
| 14:17.31 | BlackoutIsHere | do I need to subscribe to the list first petn-randall ? |
| 14:17.33 | petn-randall | BlackoutIsHere: The public archive is here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 14:17.53 | BlackoutIsHere | ah thanks |
| 14:17.56 | BlackoutIsHere | will read |
| 14:18.54 | petn-randall | BlackoutIsHere: I'm not on the list, but that would be where I'd start looking :) |
| 14:19.08 | BlackoutIsHere | thanks a lot :P |
| 14:19.09 | lancelot_of | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/2901/ and http://paste.debian.net/2902/ |
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| 14:20.45 | babilen | lancelot_of: You upgraded to jessie (partially at least) already ... You cannot simply uncomment jessie to fix that. |
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| 14:21.30 | lancelot_of | babilen, so do i have to edit again sources.list in order to specify jessie and install ia32 ? |
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| 14:22.13 | babilen | lancelot_of: What do you want to do? If you want to run wheezy I wouldn't recommend installing even more from jessie ... you broke your system (a little) and how to repair it depends on what you want to achieve. |
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| 14:23.00 | babilen | lancelot_of: You might be able to revert to pure wheezy by pinning wheezy to a priority >= 1001 and running "apt-get dist-upgrade" .. please also check that you have no pinned/held packages (see "apt-cache policy" output) |
| 14:23.31 | lancelot_of | babilen, could you guide me achieving pure wheezy reverting? |
| 14:23.42 | lancelot_of | babilen, dunno how to set priority |
| 14:23.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell lancelot_of about pinning |
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| 14:24.28 | pan__ | I have a locale error, but whenever I use 2> /some/directory to get a text file of the error, the error doesn't happen. |
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| 14:25.49 | lancelot_of | babilen, so i should pin for every package upgraded.....:((( huge..... |
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| 14:26.20 | babilen | lancelot_of: I was thinking of something like http://paste.debian.net/2904/ in /etc/apt/preferences , but note that downgrades really are not supported and that this might just break your system completely. You shouldn't have upgraded to jessie if you don't want to run that. |
| 14:26.35 | babilen | It might work, but I do not make *any* promises. |
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| 14:27.46 | babilen | lancelot_of: I assume that you have "wheezy" in your sources.list btw and not "stable" -- You can show me your sources.list and "apt-cache policy" output along with that of "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" on http://paste.debian.net after creating that preferences file. |
| 14:27.51 | lancelot_of | babilen, from apt-cache policy i get no pinned packages |
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| 14:30.41 | lancelot_of | babilen, also i've a dir preferences.d in /etc/apt no preferences file... |
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| 14:30.50 | babilen | lancelot_of: create it |
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| 14:34.58 | lancelot_of | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/2907/ http://paste.debian.net/2908/ |
| 14:35.13 | lancelot_of | babilen, now i lounch apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
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| 14:36.54 | babilen | lancelot_of: We neither recommend nor support using debian multimedia (well, I do at least) and http://build.i3wm.org/debian/sid/ is also not supported by us. And yes, please show me the "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" output |
| 14:37.06 | lancelot_of | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/2909/ |
| 14:37.16 | Sevet | !tell lancelot_of dmm |
| 14:37.20 | Sevet | !tell lancelot_of -about dmm |
| 14:37.41 | Sevet | babilen: i had an idea of how to stop people accidentally upgrading because they're using 'stable' http://bugs.debian.org/706972 |
| 14:37.45 | babilen | lancelot_of: haven't we discussed how to get output in English before? |
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| 14:38.28 | queso | How can I find out which repository a package has been installed from? |
| 14:38.35 | lancelot_of | babilen, yes sorry i forgot....here you're http://paste.debian.net/2911/ |
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| 14:38.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell queso -about which repo |
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| 14:38.53 | lancelot_of | babilen, sorry again...too many things to do at work..like you i suppose... :D |
| 14:38.58 | queso | babilen: Thank you |
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| 14:39.36 | babilen | lancelot_of: That's quite a large number of packages. It looks as if you pinned correctly, but I make no promises whatsoever that the downgrade succeeds. |
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| 14:40.17 | babilen | lancelot_of: You can perform it by removing the "-s" from that command and then remove the pinning afterwards. And please *never* ever upgrade a box to a new release if you don't intend to do that. |
| 14:40.21 | nocoast_ | a |
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| 14:40.57 | babilen | lancelot_of: Particularly not from stable to testing or unstable. I would also strongly suggest to remove *any* mention of experimental from your soruces.list and use |
| 14:40.59 | lancelot_of | babilen, the upgrade was a mistake owed to testing instead of wheezy in sources.list |
| 14:41.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell lancelot_of -about wheezy sources.list |
| 14:41.22 | lancelot_of | babilen, now i'm going to downgrade |
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| 14:41.29 | lancelot_of | hope all goes fine |
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| 14:41.35 | babilen | lancelot_of: Well, I hope you learned your lessons. I've been warning about this for quite some time and expressed my concern .. |
| 14:41.38 | lancelot_of | babilen, let's start |
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| 14:42.42 | pan__ | I have a locale error, but whenever I use 2> /some/directory to get a text file of the error, the error doesn't happen. I get a perl warning saying that setting locale failed |
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| 14:43.17 | pan__ | also /dev/pts not mounted |
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| 14:47.21 | jelly-home | pan__: is this a VM or a real machine? |
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| 14:48.41 | pan__ | jelly-home: it is a real machine. I am chrooted into it at the moment. it was a sid install which got messed up when I updated after wheezy was released. I am getting this locale error http://paste.debian.net/2914/ |
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| 14:48.59 | martxel | is debian weather updated? |
| 14:49.31 | pan__ | jelly-home: just realized the error was not in there. Whenever I use 2> the error does not print. |
| 14:49.40 | jelly-home | pan__: does "grep /dev/pts /proc/mounts" show anything? |
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| 14:52.09 | pan__ | jelly-home: "devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,grid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000 0 0 |
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| 14:53.17 | jelly-home | pan__: so your /dev/pts is mounted after all. |
| 14:53.26 | pan__ | jelly-home: yeah |
| 14:53.45 | jelly-home | pan__: if locales packages is installed, you should be able to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
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| 14:54.38 | pan__ | jelly-home: I have done that and I still get the same error |
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| 14:55.48 | pan__ | jelly-home: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: no such file or directory it then goes on with the same error message for LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL |
| 14:56.04 | babilen | lancelot_of: and how is it coming along? |
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| 14:56.22 | lancelot_of | babilen, it seems all fine but still not finished... |
| 14:56.34 | lancelot_of | babilen, do i have to reboot after that? |
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| 14:57.01 | babilen | lancelot_of: I would recommend to, yes |
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| 14:57.23 | lancelot_of | after removing /etc/apt/preferences with the pinning lines, of course |
| 14:57.29 | jelly-home | pan__: after adding it? |
| 14:57.35 | lancelot_of | babilen, ^^ |
| 14:58.03 | babilen | lancelot_of: yes, the pinning is only needed to get apt* to downgrade packages (which is not supported) |
| 14:58.06 | jelly-home | pan__: pastebin the output of "locale" command, then |
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| 14:58.21 | speaktrap | hello |
| 14:58.30 | lancelot_of | babilen, i've clearly understood that it's not supported... ;D |
| 14:58.30 | jelly-home | pan__: did you make sure the locales listed there are now enabled? |
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| 14:58.34 | speaktrap | quick question |
| 14:59.03 | speaktrap | so wheezy works with UEFI fine? 'cause i'm buying a new mobo |
| 14:59.06 | lancelot_of | babilen, it's a choice of my own, i underline it :D |
| 14:59.17 | babilen | speaktrap: The installer and grub-efi supports it |
| 14:59.39 | speaktrap | babilen: but I guess I need to disable secure boot first, right? |
| 14:59.42 | babilen | yes |
| 15:00.11 | speaktrap | and only M$ Surface seems to lack this option |
| 15:00.23 | speaktrap | correct? |
| 15:00.28 | babilen | speaktrap: nfc |
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| 15:03.14 | pan__ | jelly-home: for some reason when I see what locales are enabled with 'locale' it says i have en_CA.UTF-8 enabled, even thought i just ran 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and set it to en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 15:03.57 | decaf | xfce kicks me out when I cancel xarchiver "extract here" command |
| 15:04.11 | decaf | someone please check this really weird bug |
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| 15:05.09 | nibbler_ | hi. i'm just trying to migrate one old debian 4.0 machine from vmware server to hyper-v - anyway, ialready fail at installing grub. i booted with livecd, copied over all files to a new harddrive, and when i try to install grub, it tells me: "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." - when using grub to root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0) i get http://nopaste.info/2a135329ac.html - any hint anyone? |
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| 15:05.32 | nibbler_ | (while being in chroot on new harddrive) |
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| 15:06.05 | pan__ | jelly-home: i fixed it using this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4732390/perl-locale-warning-debian |
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| 15:07.10 | jelly-home | pan__: you could have just clicked on it in the reconfigure choice box |
| 15:07.23 | decaf | nibbler_: that happend to me also. try copying stage files to /boot/grub yourself |
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| 15:08.17 | jelly-home | pan__: the global setting gets applied only at login time; if you want to change your current shell, you have to do it by manually editing the environment variable(s) |
| 15:08.20 | lancelot_of | babilen, finished all seems to have worked fine |
| 15:08.28 | lancelot_of | babilen, now i'm going to reboot |
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| 15:09.24 | nibbler_ | the stage files are in boot/grub already :/ |
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| 15:09.33 | nibbler_ | decaf: the stage files are in boot/grub already... |
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| 15:09.36 | lancelot_of | babilen, see you in a while (i hope... ) ;) |
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| 15:11.07 | decaf | nibbler_: are you sure you are on the right disk or partition? |
| 15:11.15 | hesco | In a bash script run as root, is it possible to assume the privileges of another user for certain commands? |
| 15:11.16 | decaf | this also happened :) |
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| 15:11.49 | nibbler_ | decaf: yes, i booted grml, mounted the new disk and its boot and chrooted into it... there is only sda |
| 15:11.51 | lancelot_of | babilen, back again |
| 15:12.17 | nibbler_ | decaf: what did you mean by "copy the stage files to /boot/grub manually"? |
| 15:12.20 | descention | I'm trying to update my debnas install to emdebian. apt is trying to fetch "binary-arm" when only "binary-armel" and "binary-armhf" are available. I'm not sure what to do. |
| 15:12.21 | lancelot_of | babilen, no errors in dmesg |
| 15:12.24 | et | hesco: with su or sudo |
| 15:12.30 | lancelot_of | babilen, all seems to have gone fine!! |
| 15:12.36 | lancelot_of | babilen, thank you so much |
| 15:12.56 | hesco | I tried `sudo -u other_user`and it did not seem to work |
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| 15:13.16 | nibbler_ | decaf: well, grub says that /grub/stage1 does not exist, which is a lie :/ |
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| 15:13.19 | decaf | nibbler_: copied that stage* files from somewhere like /usr/lib/grub to /boot/grub |
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| 15:13.33 | babilen | lancelot_of: You are welcome -- but please keep in mind that downgrades like this are not supported and that you were lucky this time. OTOH it is good to know about this possibility |
| 15:13.53 | babilen | lancelot_of: I take it that you can install ia32-libs just fine now? |
| 15:14.05 | lancelot_of | babilen, yes i can |
| 15:14.18 | babilen | lancelot_of: wonderful, enjoy |
| 15:14.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell lancelot_of about wheezy sources.list |
| 15:14.31 | et | hesco: sudo -u nobody id |
| 15:14.31 | et | uid=4294967294(nobody) gid=4294967294(nobody) groups=4294967294(nobody),12(everyone),61(localaccounts) |
| 15:14.41 | et | works for me. |
| 15:14.44 | lancelot_of | babilen, thank you again |
| 15:14.48 | lancelot_of | have all a nice day |
| 15:15.09 | hesco | et: is that inside a script? |
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| 15:15.18 | et | that does not matter. |
| 15:15.39 | hesco | one would not think. OK, will take another look at this |
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| 15:15.49 | et | it does not. |
| 15:15.58 | babilen | lancelot_of: Just in case your sources.list does not match … |
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| 15:16.20 | et | # echo 'sudo -u nobody id' > /tmp/script; sh /tmp/script |
| 15:16.20 | et | uid=4294967294(nobody) gid=4294967294(nobody) groups=4294967294(nobody),12(everyone),61(localaccounts) |
| 15:16.36 | babilen | hesco: You might also want to discuss this in #bash if you are developing in bash |
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| 15:20.16 | descention | how do I get my install to report armel or armhf instead of just arm? |
| 15:20.28 | descention | to apt |
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| 15:21.13 | jelly-home | descention: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
| 15:21.24 | descention | arm |
| 15:21.54 | jelly-home | well then, that's what you have, a very very old etch or earlier. It's not armel, and it's not armhf either. |
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| 15:22.08 | descention | ok |
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| 15:22.21 | jelly-home | descention: what's your actual goal? |
| 15:22.30 | descention | get updates |
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| 15:23.56 | darsie | Can someone take a quick look if my dependency conflicts for full-upgrading to wheezy are normal or possible because I messed up my installation by mixing stable and testing? http://paste.debian.net/2924/ |
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| 15:24.37 | darsie | possibly* |
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| 15:25.03 | jhutchins_wk | . |
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| 15:25.10 | babilen | darsie: You mixed what with what? |
| 15:25.30 | Sevet | darsie: 1) never mix stable and testing 2) don't use oldstable/stable/testing, use stable/wheezy/jessie |
| 15:25.35 | darsie | babilen: stable with testing, when testing was <= squeeze. |
| 15:25.37 | babilen | darsie: That is: Are you meanign that you mixed wheezy with jessie or squeeze with wheezy or what? |
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| 15:25.52 | Sevet | darsie: that's what squeeze-backports is for |
| 15:26.00 | babilen | darsie: So you mixed squeeze with wheezy even though we explicitly recommend not to do that? |
| 15:26.12 | darsie | Sevet: I know now, but I still have my mixed system. |
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| 15:26.35 | darsie | babilen: I mixed before I knew. |
| 15:26.46 | Sevet | also you want to dist-upgrade not full-upgrade for squeeze->wheezy |
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| 15:26.57 | Sevet | !tell darsie -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:27.06 | babilen | darsie: That suggestion looks alright(ish) though -- You might want to check the next, say, 5 suggestions ... What does "apt-get dist-upgrade" give you? Are you following the upgrade isntructions in the release notes? Why are you using aptitude? |
| 15:27.12 | darsie | Sevet: Ohh, I thought full-upgrade is the new word for dist-upgrade. |
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| 15:27.34 | jelly-home | descention: you're not going to get update for that ABI. It might be your cpu is capable to hold a new armel install, what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say? (use ap astebin site) |
| 15:27.48 | babilen | darsie: Well, apt-get is recommended in the release notes -- are you following the instructions in there? |
| 15:27.50 | darsie | babilen: Because I thought aptitude is the recommended package manager. |
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| 15:28.07 | darsie | babilen: Seems like I have to read the release notes ... |
| 15:28.12 | jelly-home | descention: in fact it might be better to go straight to the arm channel |
| 15:28.17 | jelly-home | !tell descention about arm |
| 15:28.20 | babilen | darsie: Please follow http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 15:28.44 | jelly-home | descention: note that it is on irc.oftc.net, a different irc server and network |
| 15:29.23 | descention | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/2376576 |
| 15:29.29 | darsie | babilen: That's a lot to read/do. I'd rather just dist/full-upgrade. If it's too broken afterwards, I'll reinstall. |
| 15:29.32 | descention | alright |
| 15:29.53 | babilen | darsie: well, at least follow the short instructions in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
| 15:29.59 | darsie | k |
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| 15:30.12 | babilen | darsie: But if you can't be arsed to follow our instructions we can't be arsed to invest time in sorting out your problems ;) |
| 15:30.50 | darsie | fair enough. I just asked for a quick look for this reason :). |
| 15:30.59 | SerajewelKS | is there any tool that will read in pcap files and dissect the contained packets, streaming the results to some script i can write? i have a large pcap dump full of HTTP traffic and i want to extract the request and response entities, saving each into a file. |
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| 15:31.34 | SerajewelKS | wireshark seems to have some lua support, but there's so much data here that wireshark runs out of memory and crashes |
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| 15:34.26 | JodaZ | SerajewelKS, wireshark now also has python support, maybe that'd work |
| 15:34.42 | SerajewelKS | JodaZ: the problem is not the language, the problem is that wireshark cannot handle the size of the dump |
| 15:34.57 | SerajewelKS | wireshark crashes simply opening the file, i have not even tried scripting yet |
| 15:35.27 | JodaZ | well, then get a pcap library for your language of choice |
| 15:35.47 | JodaZ | also, try 64bit wireshark |
| 15:35.52 | SerajewelKS | i know how to read pcap files, but i am not interested in reinventing dissection |
| 15:35.58 | SerajewelKS | i am using 64-bit wireshark |
| 15:36.12 | JodaZ | how big is the dump ? |
| 15:36.24 | SerajewelKS | about a gig |
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| 15:36.31 | JodaZ | hmn |
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| 15:36.42 | SerajewelKS | but dissection state is huge |
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| 15:36.58 | SerajewelKS | ideally the dissector engine would throw out all dissection state for a tcp stream once it sees the final fin/ack handshake |
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| 15:37.24 | SerajewelKS | and then pass me some object representing the entire conversation, with a mechanism to query properties about the HTTP conversation |
| 15:37.30 | darsie | babilen: aptitude dist-upgrade output: http://paste.debian.net/2926/ |
| 15:38.28 | JodaZ | its just a feeling but to me it seems wireshark dying because of out of memory has been happening more recently, did you try an older version yet ? |
| 15:38.30 | darsie | babilen: looks identical. |
| 15:38.49 | babilen | darsie: ... apt-get ... yadda ... |
| 15:38.50 | darsie | ohh, apt-get ... |
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| 15:39.08 | SerajewelKS | JodaZ: well this is all tangential really, as i plan on running this on a headless box anyway |
| 15:39.17 | SerajewelKS | JodaZ: requiring a GUI to do scripted analysis is a bit silly |
| 15:39.39 | darsie | babilen: hey, no complaints with apt-get :). |
| 15:39.40 | JodaZ | SerajewelKS, there is a gui less version of wireshark i think, isn't there ? |
| 15:39.49 | SerajewelKS | tshark? probably. |
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| 15:40.08 | UukGoblin | tshark, yeah |
| 15:40.20 | ChrisH | SerajewelKS: but you do not want to analyse network dumps using tshark... |
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| 15:40.38 | darsie | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/2927/ |
| 15:40.41 | SerajewelKS | no, i don't |
| 15:40.49 | SerajewelKS | i want something that i can script against |
| 15:41.11 | UukGoblin | what's the best place to post or ask about bluetooth problems? I have an A2DP speaker that will pair but won't connect - should I post on debian forums, or is there something more bluetooth-specific? |
| 15:41.14 | SerajewelKS | and it seems unlikely that i'm the first person to want to do this, so i suspect something does exist :) |
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| 15:41.46 | JodaZ | SerajewelKS, i think there are propably a few other tools doing the connection tracking fully already |
| 15:42.35 | UukGoblin | (and it works with an android phone and a windows 7 laptop :-/ ) |
| 15:42.43 | SerajewelKS | it looks like scapy might fit the bill |
| 15:42.51 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: Ask here, provide details, if nobody knows you can always take it to the mailing lists. |
| 15:42.53 | descention | jelly-home: thanks for leading me in the right direction! |
| 15:43.04 | descention | I've got it figured out |
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| 15:43.38 | ChrisH | SerajewelKS: can you filter the file? I did not test but tshark -r INFILE -w OUTFILE -R FILTER might work |
| 15:44.04 | SerajewelKS | filtering is half the battle... that might reduce the size of the file, but it won't get me the http entities extracted |
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| 15:44.30 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, I'm not quite sure how to gather more info... it just doesn't want to connect. bluetooth-wizard is stuck at step 3 "Finishing new device setup" / "Please wait while finishing setup on device 'Bose SoundLink Mobile sp |
| 15:44.34 | UukGoblin | eaker II' |
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| 15:45.07 | UukGoblin | blueman fails to connect to it with: "Connection Failed: Stream setup failed" |
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| 15:45.23 | UukGoblin | /var/log/syslog only lists bluetoothd[25380]: Host is down (112) |
| 15:45.53 | UukGoblin | and sometimes "kernel: [2314322.478868] Bluetooth: Wrong link type (-14)" (with different numbers at the end) |
| 15:46.14 | ChrisH | SerajewelKS: maybe wireshark is able to handle the TCP Stream after reducing the size :) But check man editcap |
| 15:46.33 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: Don't paste to the channel, use something more appropriate like http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:46.33 | SerajewelKS | ChrisH: maybe, but again my goal is to run this analysis in a batch job on a headless box |
| 15:46.40 | SerajewelKS | ChrisH: wireshark is not useful to me in this scenario |
| 15:46.51 | UukGoblin | other bluetooth devices work with that machine, I've tried 3 different debian sid/squeeze installations and 2 different USB bluetooth dongles |
| 15:46.55 | petn-randall | UukGoblin: Is this squeeze or wheezy? |
| 15:46.59 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, sorry, was 1-liners mostly |
| 15:47.12 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, generally sid |
| 15:47.22 | UukGoblin | I tried upgrading bluetooth and similar packages with no luck |
| 15:47.37 | UukGoblin | and one of the machines I tested was squeeze |
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| 15:48.55 | UukGoblin | I'm like, out of ideas. I even tried adding "Enable=Source,Sink,Socket,Control" to /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf as suggested in various places from google, but that didn't help either. |
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| 15:49.24 | UukGoblin | I can now, however, turn my computer into an audio sink for my phone (i.e. stream music from phone to the computer) |
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| 15:49.48 | UukGoblin | so the USB bluetooth dongle and drivers seem to generally work... There's just something weird with that Bose speaker and linux :-S |
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| 15:50.20 | UukGoblin | I've also added a type bluetooth device to my .asoundrc and tried to play to it (after pairing)... that resulted in Connection Refused |
| 15:50.21 | sksoissswaik | hello |
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| 15:51.56 | UukGoblin | hi skssoiokwkiak |
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| 15:52.42 | wqdqqwdq | hi |
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| 15:53.13 | wqdqqwdq | what |
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| 15:53.23 | wqdqqwdq | w |
| 15:53.33 | UukGoblin | petn-randall, any idea how I could provide more details? run the bluetooth daemon in some debug mode perhaps? |
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| 15:54.32 | proxy1 | I had Debian Squeeze installed in a computer once last year, and when I right-clicked safly removed the the drive it got corrupted. After that, I had to umount it from CLI. Is it the same in Wheezy? I don't want to loose my files. |
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| 15:58.29 | ChrisH | proxy1: what filesystem did you use? umounting from any kind of filebrowser did allways work for me. automatically mounting was more an issue to me. |
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| 15:59.19 | proxy1 | I use ext4 on a luks encrypted partition, and safely removed from desktop icon. |
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| 16:00.08 | proxy1 | But that was 1 year agon on Squeeze. I think the problem should not exist now. But I want to be 100% sure. |
| 16:00.19 | proxy1 | ag* |
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| 16:01.14 | proxy1 | I searched in google and found no such issue since last year. I think it should be safe. |
| 16:01.18 | proxy1 | trying... |
| 16:01.52 | ChrisH | proxy1: this is what you have your backup for. |
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| 16:03.24 | proxy1 | It is my backup HDD. |
| 16:03.28 | proxy1 | OK. success. |
| 16:03.40 | proxy1 | nothing bad happened. |
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| 16:04.01 | proxy1 | Thanks. |
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| 16:05.18 | proxy1 | Just wondering, since the HDD is not mounted, whats the Safely Remove is for in the HDD's context menu? |
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| 16:06.30 | somiaj | proxy1: to speed things up not all operations you write to the disk are actually written to the disk |
| 16:06.36 | jhutchins_wk | proxy1: Probably best to check that "Safely Remove" has unmounted the drive from the CLI. |
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| 16:07.05 | jhutchins_wk | proxy1: If you can access files on the drive, it's mounted. If it's automounted by the GUI it's probably mounted in userspace, not on the system. |
| 16:07.08 | jelly-home | stupid question: I have a local and a remote wheezy with speakers and microphone, is there a (simple) way to establish a duplex line using alsa or pulse, preferably without a phone app? |
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| 16:07.14 | somiaj | proxy1: they store the operations in ram, and wait for system to be idel to do the writting. Saftely remove means 1) sync the ram cache on the disk (that is the important part) and 2) unmount the filesystem so no modifications can be made to it |
| 16:07.16 | pagios | hello how can i reverse this? a2enmod rewrite |
| 16:07.39 | jelly-home | pagios: man a2enmod |
| 16:07.39 | proxy1 | mount shows no entry for the HDD. so it is not mounted now. |
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| 16:07.48 | somiaj | jelly-home: you want to play sounds from the local machine over the remote speakers? Any reason why? |
| 16:08.27 | ChibaPet | somiaj: Think in-home audiophilia. |
| 16:08.27 | jelly-home | somiaj: I want my voice to be heard! |
| 16:08.50 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Configuring_Sound_on_Linux/Pulse_Audio/Remote_server |
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| 16:09.08 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: I just found that and haven't done anything, but it suggests Pulse support for remote things. |
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| 16:09.32 | Konomi | does anyone know of a guide to make users have their home directories only readable by them by default |
| 16:09.38 | Konomi | been googling but got no where |
| 16:09.47 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: oh, you haven't like actually tried that it works? |
| 16:09.51 | somiaj | Konomi: chmod 770 /home/* |
| 16:09.54 | proxy1 | somiaj, I see. so last time I didn't wait enough for thos background operations to finish and thats why it got corrupted. |
| 16:10.04 | somiaj | proxy1: correct |
| 16:10.05 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: No, just blindly suggesting it in case it is a new avenue. |
| 16:10.12 | proxy1 | :( |
| 16:10.12 | Konomi | somiaj: that doesn't work for a new user I presume? |
| 16:10.19 | somiaj | Konomi: I assume you mean other users cannot read the home directories? |
| 16:10.20 | Konomi | I'dhave to chmod everytime there's a new one |
| 16:10.23 | Konomi | yeah |
| 16:10.28 | proxy1 | Ok. Thanks everyone. |
| 16:10.29 | Konomi | i find it kinda weird it's a default they can |
| 16:10.37 | somiaj | Konomi: there is a way to set up the default umask/permisions when creating a user, I would have to look it up |
| 16:10.37 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: all avenues are new, but I'm not sure my tunnel does multicast correctly |
| 16:10.39 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: And qualifying lest it be brox0red so you don't bang your head off something I appear to be saying works for me. |
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| 16:11.23 | somiaj | Konomi: appears to be a setting in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 16:11.29 | Konomi | thanks somiaj |
| 16:11.50 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: The page talks about TCP transport as well, not just multicast, so if it were me I'd try the module-native-protocol-tcp module and the PULSE_SERVER variable. |
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| 16:12.13 | somiaj | Konomi: google says look for the DIR_MODE option |
| 16:12.14 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: And I'd even try it at home, but I'm at a car dealership now getting some maintenance done, so I've only got the one box handy. |
| 16:12.24 | Konomi | yeah I noticed it strait away ty |
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| 16:12.48 | Konomi | knowing that config file for a google search made a guide easy to find |
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| 16:14.33 | somiaj | jelly-home: or just write a script to copy the .wav file over and play it on the remote system. Though I guess score one for PulseAudio to be able to do this. (I am still avoiding using it) |
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| 16:21.34 | ChibaPet | somiaj: Or... Or... NFS and symlinks and inotify and and... |
| 16:21.55 | somiaj | ChibaPet: well I am of the fan of anything to avoid PulseAudio. (: |
| 16:21.56 | ChibaPet | somiaj: But seriously, that won't help with a vast array of sound sources. |
| 16:22.06 | jelly-home | y'know, any time I try something nontrivial with pulseaudio, I get stuff like |
| 16:22.08 | jelly-home | Code should not be reached at pulsecore/sndfile-util.c:391, function pa_sndfile_readf_function(). Aborting. |
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| 16:23.03 | jelly-home | somiaj: that's hardly "duplex", as in full duplex audio |
| 16:23.10 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Hah. At least they recognize that they're deep in the weeds. :) |
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| 16:23.46 | jelly-home | I'll just run some free phone app at both ends |
| 16:24.26 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Was this error with the relatively simple-seeming TCP set-up from that page, by chance? |
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| 16:24.48 | ChibaPet | I'll see if I can coax something out of it when I get home, in any event. |
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| 16:40.42 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: it wasn't, don't bother |
| 16:40.45 | calisto | hi all, have problem with debian gnome, who change the default permissions when create archives from nautilus? |
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| 16:51.38 | piukeman | sorry one little question I set up ISPCONFIG 3 but when I run in a browser https://ip:8080 I got the apache welcome page and not the ispconfig panel |
| 16:51.41 | piukeman | any clue |
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| 16:52.04 | piukeman | I do not know where to start |
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| 16:53.52 | W4RH4WK | hello, upgraded from squeeze to wheezy a few days ago and now i'm encountering an issue when compiling vim. i can't get vim to compile with python enabled (probably because wheezy now uses python2.7) |
| 16:54.16 | W4RH4WK | i use --enable-pythoninterp=yes and --with-python-config-dir=/usr/lib/python2.7/config |
| 16:54.27 | mumpitzel | piukeman: probably the virtual host for apache isn't set up the right way |
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| 16:55.06 | dokma | wicd can authenticate only after I restart dbus and wicd |
| 16:55.10 | dokma | anyone had this issue? |
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| 16:57.37 | Sevet | W4RH4WK: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/vim-python |
| 16:58.02 | Sevet | W4RH4WK: if you don't want a gui, guessing you want vim-nox |
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| 16:59.26 | SerajewelKS | hmm, instead of dissecting a pcap file after the fact, is there some http proxy that can be configured to log all request and response bodies for all requests whose path matches some pattern? |
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| 17:00.20 | W4RH4WK | Sevet: i simply don't want to use the package managers version here, i'm using a self compiled vim version for a very long time now, and it usually compiles without problems accordingly to what i tell 'em |
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| 17:00.35 | dokma | seems from the log that wicd is trying to do wpa on a wep wifi ap... |
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| 17:01.06 | Sevet | W4RH4WK: what's wrong with that version though, apart from it'll work with no effort? |
| 17:01.38 | Sevet | you could get its source package and see what it's doing different from you to compile against python |
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| 17:01.51 | Sevet | eg could be there's a patch under debian/patches |
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| 17:03.39 | Sevet | or just a different command line... my guess is it's because the lib paths will have changed under wheezy because of multiarch |
| 17:04.04 | W4RH4WK | Sevet: thx for this information, i will look into it. it's not that there is something wrong with the debian vim version, i just prefere a self compiled one tweaked to my needs featuring only the things i need and use |
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| 17:14.52 | Alberaan | hello everyone |
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| 17:15.02 | Alberaan | can someone help me with debian wheezy installatioin? |
| 17:15.07 | Alberaan | *installation |
| 17:15.18 | Alberaan | I've tried googling the error, but I'm having trouble |
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| 17:15.41 | Alberaan | lilo-installer: LILO not usable on EFI PCs without BIOS compatibility; use grub-efi |
| 17:16.02 | Alberaan | and the installer stops in "configuring packet manager" |
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| 17:17.31 | ElGrotto | hiyas.. I'm using testing and I notice it recently removed 'less'. I went to apt-get install less to put it back, but it wants to remove 'gnome' (as well as a bunch of other stuff) to install less. Is there a workaround? |
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| 17:18.54 | ElGrotto | preferably one that lets me install 'less' without losing my X desktop :) |
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| 17:21.50 | asarch | Just two questions about the new stable release: Where do you change firewall settings and how do you set the machine turns off every time the power button is pressed? |
| 17:22.05 | mtn | ElGrotto, until testing has that fixed, use more or some other pager |
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| 17:23.03 | mtn | ElGrotto, also: testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 17:23.07 | somiaj | asarch: debian has no firewall settings by default. You can make your own firewall with the lowlevel tool iptables (or some front end to it) |
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| 17:23.38 | somiaj | asarch: by default debian does turn off when you hit the power button. You may have to do some ACPI/udev research to see what the event of hitting the power button is triggering |
| 17:23.43 | ElGrotto | mtn: I am taking it from your reply that this is known at least, cool, ty :) |
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| 17:24.11 | somiaj | ElGrotto: learn to check the BTS if you run testing/unstable |
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| 17:24.23 | ElGrotto | bts? |
| 17:24.23 | mtn | ElGrotto, yep, there has been chat about it here and on the mailing list |
| 17:24.33 | somiaj | !bts |
| 17:24.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 17:25.30 | jhutchins_wk | ElGrotto: aptitude may give you more inforamtion and options. |
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| 17:31.56 | jcran | are there any particularly good resources for creating a debian derivative? |
| 17:32.30 | asarch | Thank you somiaj |
| 17:32.35 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 17:34.47 | Alberaan | Hi! Can someone guide me with this error when trying to install wheezy? |
| 17:34.54 | Alberaan | lilo-installer: LILO not usable on EFI PCs without BIOS compatibility; use grub-efi |
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| 17:42.18 | Nivagio | ISS and Debian: http://training.linuxfoundation.org/why-our-linux-training/training-reviews/linux-foundation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migration |
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| 17:43.44 | somiaj | Alberaan: yea dn't install LILO and install grub-efi |
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| 17:43.49 | jelly-home | Nivagio: debian on laptops? I bet they're thinkpads |
| 17:43.50 | LtL | Nivagio: great url, thanks :) |
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| 17:50.45 | Alberaan | somiaj: yeah but im working from the installer |
| 17:50.52 | Alberaan | mmm |
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| 17:51.20 | b0ngy | so what's new in wheezy? |
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| 17:52.50 | somiaj | Alberaan: grub should be the default bootloader of the wheezy installer. my guess is itshould give you an efi option on the new insatller (I haven't test ) |
| 17:52.53 | somiaj | b0ngy: read the realse notes |
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| 17:53.16 | Alberaan | somiaj: Im giving you the details via private |
| 17:53.34 | somiaj | Alberaan: please don't do that, I ignore private messages most the time |
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| 17:53.47 | Alberaan | oh |
| 17:53.49 | Alberaan | sorry |
| 17:53.56 | somiaj | Alberaan: ask in here others can help. Anyways I dont think debian 6.0 supportes EFI, any reason why you don't want to isntall debian 7 (the new stable) |
| 17:53.57 | Alberaan | I didn't want to spam |
| 17:54.31 | W4RH4WK | while configureing a programs source code for compilation autoconf returns the wrong python version, anybody knows how to fix this? |
| 17:54.42 | Alberaan | mmmm wait a sec |
| 17:54.49 | Alberaan | now Im not sure ive used that image |
| 17:55.13 | somiaj | Get the debain 7.0 image, that is probabaly the one you want and it (as far as I know) supports EFI booting |
| 17:55.44 | Alberaan | somiaj: ive used this one sorry: firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst |
| 17:56.31 | Alberaan | somiaj: but now I can't find it in the server lol |
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| 17:58.50 | somiaj | well that supporst efi booting. Just don't install lilo which the error you pasted sounds like you chose lilo instaed of grub |
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| 18:03.16 | frenkel_ | anybody know why the wheezy live cd (on an usb stick) works on all my BIOS computers and not on my Asus Zenbook (EFI) |
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| 18:03.32 | frenkel_ | the Zenbook can boot Ubuntu and Fedora just fine |
| 18:03.46 | Alberaan | somiaj: I didn't chose lilo on purpose. I wasn't asked to |
| 18:03.51 | Alberaan | :/ |
| 18:03.59 | Alberaan | anyway, Im downloading another cd image |
| 18:04.46 | robert45 | hi guys, Im having th following error when trying to install a .deb package, does anyone know how to troubleshoot this? http://pastebin.com/iwJJcwst |
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| 18:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, efi |
| 18:05.10 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 18:05.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you chose 32bit wheezy? |
| 18:05.40 | frenkel_ | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, but booting a live cd should work, right? the usb stick is not recogned in the boot menu |
| 18:05.43 | frenkel_ | no, 64 bit |
| 18:05.53 | frenkel_ | robert45: try removing the newrelic user from your system |
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| 18:06.09 | robert45 | frenkel_ tx, I already tried that, same error |
| 18:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea... was so far so lucky as to not have contacti with uefi |
| 18:06.52 | frenkel_ | CutMeOwnThroat: :) thanks anyway |
| 18:07.54 | frenkel_ | CutMeOwnThroat: seems i need to boot in "legacy bios mode" |
| 18:08.08 | frenkel_ | CutMeOwnThroat: after installation i should be able to switch everything to efi ^^ |
| 18:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | frenkel_, btw. there's also #debian-live (not here, but on irc.debian.net) |
| 18:08.49 | frenkel_ | ah, thanks, will check there |
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| 18:15.25 | frenkel_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i think the live images don't support it, but the install images do |
| 18:15.32 | frenkel_ | i'll try that |
| 18:15.34 | frenkel_ | bye |
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| 18:22.49 | mr0wl | in wheezy if you don't have graphics acceleration does gnome fallback to something else? |
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| 18:28.39 | funnybunny | yes |
| 18:28.52 | funnybunny | gnome classic |
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| 18:44.25 | BJfreeman | getting a permission denied on port 8080 on debian 7 for tomcat where would I look to fix this |
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| 18:47.03 | vt0r | BJfreeman, check #tomcat , but a permission denied (403) is usually due to permissions |
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| 18:48.18 | Dr^Fets | how can I get wheezy to load the rtl8192e driver at install |
| 18:48.25 | Dr^Fets | I have a samsung n120 |
| 18:48.30 | bronaugh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=701127 |
| 18:49.05 | bronaugh | just thought I'd poke people about this one. the grub that ships with Debian 7 is broken, at least on our machines; and the grub that's in experimental (2.00-13; Grub 2.00 has been latest for 10 months) works fine. |
| 18:49.28 | bronaugh | it would -seem- to make sense to ship with a grub that works on more systems, now, wouldn't it? |
| 18:49.42 | ksuhku | fuck no |
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| 18:50.41 | kaste | Hey, my google fu fails me big time. How do I start screen in such a way, that all shells in the startup tabs start in pwd (not necessarily in the tab's pwd when opening another tab, I think I know that) |
| 18:50.52 | kaste | I'm sure someone here has a config that does that |
| 18:52.11 | bronaugh | ksuhku: very funny :P |
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| 18:53.12 | Mohsen_Hassani | Hello guys. I can neither play nor copy .DAT video files. I get input/output error. |
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| 18:55.33 | rakio | hello |
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| 18:55.55 | rakio | i have some difficulty with PDC samba on wheezy |
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| 18:56.24 | rakio | i have "unable to join domain SOCIETE" |
| 18:56.25 | rakio | http://paste.debian.net/2971/ |
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| 18:59.36 | tremon | rakio: I'm pretty certain there's a #samba where there'll be more people that can help you |
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| 19:08.47 | calisto | hi all, have problem with debian gnome, who change the default permissions when create archives from nautilus? |
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| 19:10.40 | socomm | calisto: ? |
| 19:10.48 | socomm | calisto: you mean umask? |
| 19:11.13 | socomm | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html |
| 19:11.18 | calisto | socomm: yes I use umask, in a shell (bash) its ok |
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| 19:12.09 | calisto | but in nautilus when create a folder or file the default umask is 022 not 002 |
| 19:12.31 | calisto | I need 002 un graphical interface too as a terminal |
| 19:13.33 | socomm | calisto: what is the umask on your /etc/profile? if its even set |
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| 19:14.48 | socomm | calisto: check /etc/login.defs - I think thats where its set |
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| 19:18.58 | calisto | socomm: in /etc/profile not existe umask |
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| 19:22.33 | calisto | socomm: Im add in /etc/gdm/Xsession in /etc/login.def in /etc/X11/Xsession and chfn -o umask=002 <user> |
| 19:22.46 | calisto | exist another place? |
| 19:23.52 | socomm | echo "session optional pam_umask.so umask=002" >> /etc/pam.d/common-session |
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| 19:24.01 | socomm | calisto: where 002 is your desired umask |
| 19:24.29 | socomm | calisto: you may have to re-login for the change to take effect |
| 19:25.28 | calisto | Im use X2go to loguin in graphical mode |
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| 19:26.42 | socomm | calisto: you may need to re-login onto your session, or maybe kill nautilus process maybe enough |
| 19:27.05 | calisto | ok restart the machine |
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| 19:27.13 | calisto | when no users login |
| 19:27.15 | socomm | calisto: you don't need to restart the machine |
| 19:27.25 | socomm | calisto: just restart nautilus |
| 19:27.46 | tremon | Is anyone using dovecot as LDA? I'm seeing auth: password(user@site): unknown user errors in my log, but mails for user@site are delivered just fine |
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| 19:28.16 | calisto | I try to conect , close session on gnome and login newly |
| 19:28.26 | socomm | ok |
| 19:28.27 | calisto | and no chage ... :-( |
| 19:29.19 | socomm | calisto: what does running 'umask' give you when you run it in the terminal? |
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| 19:29.57 | calisto | I have bash and bash rc |
| 19:30.03 | calisto | bashrc |
| 19:30.09 | socomm | calisto: ? |
| 19:30.21 | calisto | on a terminal its ok umask are 002 |
| 19:30.25 | socomm | you have umask value inside your bashrc? |
| 19:30.34 | calisto | but in gnome ar bad |
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| 19:30.56 | calisto | yes I have in ~/.bashrc |
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| 19:32.20 | socomm | calisto: what umask inside your .bashrc |
| 19:34.29 | socomm | calisto: define the umask inside your '/etc/pam.d/common-session' and inside '/etc/login.defs' |
| 19:34.48 | socomm | calisto: remove it from your ~/.bashrc and /etc/bashrc if you've re-defined them there |
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| 19:36.08 | socomm | calisto: I am uncertain if you need to restart X for the change to take effect, I'm guessing logging out of X and logging back in should be enough |
| 19:36.27 | calisto | ok |
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| 19:37.23 | calisto | change the files |
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| 19:38.17 | xzcvczx | socomm: that does restart x |
| 19:39.19 | socomm | xzcvczx: restarting X is required? |
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| 19:39.38 | xzcvczx | no, logging out of your wm/de restarts x |
| 19:39.50 | socomm | xzcvczx: you're right |
| 19:40.09 | xzcvczx | well i was just clarifying your comment to calisto |
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| 19:40.24 | socomm | yes, thanks for clarifying that |
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| 19:40.54 | xzcvczx | :) |
| 19:41.37 | calisto | remove the umask from ~/bashrc and relogion in gnome open a terminal execute umask and the result is 022 |
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| 19:42.54 | calisto | xzcvczx: the ~/xsessionrc dosent work? |
| 19:44.01 | xzcvczx | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 19:44.49 | socomm | xzcvczx: set default umask - apparently nautilus is not giving him a desired umask |
| 19:45.38 | xzcvczx | calisto: whats it giving, compared to what you want? |
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| 19:50.13 | calisto | xzcvczx: only I need ti create files or folders by default permission 775 |
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| 19:50.35 | calisto | from a graphic system |
| 19:50.58 | calisto | from nautilus or save files from gimp |
| 19:51.05 | calisto | or another aplication |
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| 19:51.59 | calisto | xzcvczx: now the permission are 755 i need 775 |
| 19:52.11 | xzcvczx | calisto: 'export | grep UMASK' |
| 19:52.16 | xzcvczx | does that give you anything? |
| 19:52.16 | regexp-help | hi i wonnder if if anyone can help me. apologies if this is the wrong room but im look for a regexp that will match the word "Regular" that matches the start of the word "R" and the end "r" |
| 19:52.28 | regexp-help | with grep |
| 19:52.31 | xzcvczx | regexp-help: [Rr]egular |
| 19:52.39 | xzcvczx | oh sorry |
| 19:52.41 | xzcvczx | misread |
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| 19:52.59 | xzcvczx | R[a-z]*r |
| 19:53.02 | tremon | regexp-help: /\wRegular\w/ will match that |
| 19:53.08 | tremon | :) |
| 19:53.20 | regexp-help | grep "^[R][r]$" something like that ? |
| 19:53.29 | xzcvczx | no you have nothing in the middle |
| 19:53.32 | xzcvczx | and that will match a line |
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| 19:53.57 | regexp-help | i want to match the letters "R" and "r" not the word itself |
| 19:54.10 | xzcvczx | R[a-z]*r |
| 19:54.12 | xzcvczx | will do it |
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| 19:54.30 | xzcvczx | no it won't actually |
| 19:54.46 | xzcvczx | \wR[a-z]*r\w |
| 19:54.48 | xzcvczx | i think will |
| 19:54.50 | regexp-help | if just the word REgualr is on one line |
| 19:54.59 | regexp-help | sorry "Regular" |
| 19:54.59 | xzcvczx | \wR[a-zA-Z]*r\w |
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| 19:55.13 | xzcvczx | oh so its not words its lines |
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| 19:55.26 | xzcvczx | then ^R[a-zA-z]r$ |
| 19:55.26 | regexp-help | its characters |
| 19:55.41 | xzcvczx | what do you mean its characters |
| 19:56.13 | regexp-help | as in match the first character of the line "R" and at the end of the line match "r" |
| 19:56.30 | xzcvczx | then ^R[a-zA-z]r$ |
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| 19:56.38 | xzcvczx | then ^R[a-zA-z]*r$ |
| 19:56.42 | xzcvczx | sorry |
| 19:56.44 | regexp-help | so thus "Regular" would match as would "Regulaaaaaaar" |
| 19:56.49 | xzcvczx | yes |
| 19:56.56 | xzcvczx | and would REGULAR |
| 19:57.01 | xzcvczx | and would REGULAr rather |
| 19:57.08 | regexp-help | ok thanks |
| 19:57.11 | regexp-help | :-) |
| 19:57.25 | regexp-help | for the record is this the right place to ask for regexp help ? |
| 19:57.28 | tremon | regexp-help: first you're talking about words, then about characters in a line. First you're interested in matching a word, then only its first and last character. Are you doing homework assignments? |
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| 19:57.40 | xzcvczx | tremon: course he is |
| 19:57.51 | xzcvczx | tremon: with a word like regular |
| 19:58.39 | regexp-help | no not homework just trying out different things |
| 19:58.50 | tremon | xzcvczx: well he's been given plenty of answers that match his question, but he doesn't appear to want them. So I'm trying to get to the real question |
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| 19:59.14 | regexp-help | couldnt quite work out how to do that specific bit, apologies for my lack of knowledge / explanation |
| 19:59.21 | xzcvczx | regexp-help: #regex might be a better place |
| 19:59.23 | vacho | If I want to have to nodes communicate through SCP without asking for password... I create a keypair (public, private) and install the same on both right? |
| 19:59.32 | vacho | so both nodes will have identiccal public and private keys? |
| 19:59.39 | xzcvczx | vacho: you install the public from the client on the server |
| 19:59.56 | xzcvczx | and then create a second key on the server and upload its public to the client |
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| 20:00.06 | vacho | xzcvczx: it's a two way communication......ad-hoc |
| 20:00.15 | xzcvczx | (replace server with server1 and client with server2) |
| 20:00.17 | vacho | xzcvczx: I cannot use the same? |
| 20:00.26 | xzcvczx | you don't want to use the same |
| 20:00.33 | tremon | regexp-help: first of all, grep is for line-based filtering, and "matching characters" with grep isn't really possible, you're always matching lines |
| 20:00.42 | vacho | xzcvczx: may I ask why I don't want to use the same? :) |
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| 20:01.05 | xzcvczx | vacho: because if someone gets one of the keys they can get on both computers |
| 20:01.11 | tremon | regexp-help: if you want to match characters and process them, use sed, awk or perl |
| 20:01.12 | xzcvczx | vacho: why do you want to use the same keys? |
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| 20:01.22 | vacho | xzcvczx: because I will replicat this for 500 nodes |
| 20:01.28 | vacho | and no one will ever get access |
| 20:01.32 | regexp-help | thanks fo rthe advice, most appreciated |
| 20:01.38 | xzcvczx | vacho: thats nice in a perfect world |
| 20:01.50 | vacho | xzcvczx: I see.. |
| 20:02.05 | xzcvczx | vacho: create a private key on each, create a huge pub key file and upload to all |
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| 20:03.13 | regexp-help | sorry the expression you gae me returns "grep: Invalid range end" |
| 20:03.19 | regexp-help | gave* |
| 20:03.41 | tremon | regexp-help: secondly, try to provide more concrete examples, and explain explicitly why the answers given are not what you're looking for. Also, acknowledge answers before changing the question. It helps avoid confusion |
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| 20:04.23 | tremon | regexp-help: thirdly, there's also #regex and #bash for more fun :) |
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| 20:05.29 | regexp-help | ok let me explain again more clearly, i want to match any line that starts with a "r" or a "R" and ends with a "r" or an "R" |
| 20:05.33 | xzcvczx | regexp-help: works fine for me |
| 20:05.44 | regexp-help | hmm |
| 20:05.47 | xzcvczx | lol again it changes... please see #regex |
| 20:06.08 | tremon | regexp-help: and if you get an error, "the expression you gave me" is less useful than "I typed grep '[a-0]' and it said Invalid range end" |
| 20:06.19 | xzcvczx | then ^[Rr][a-zA-z]*[Rr]$ |
| 20:06.30 | xzcvczx | but that is the one that follows your updated requirements |
| 20:06.47 | xzcvczx | then ^[Rr][a-zA-Z]*[Rr]$ |
| 20:06.49 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 20:06.50 | regexp-help | i have a file with REGULAR regular Regular |
| 20:07.00 | regexp-help | each on their own individual lines |
| 20:07.04 | xzcvczx | which you never specified originally |
| 20:07.09 | regexp-help | indeed i did not |
| 20:07.13 | regexp-help | my fault |
| 20:07.22 | xzcvczx | so the one i gave you last will match all |
| 20:07.29 | tremon | I'd prefer /^r.*r$/i (grep -i '^r.*r$'), but potato-potato :) |
| 20:08.00 | vacho | thanks |
| 20:08.04 | vacho | how do I write to a file |
| 20:08.08 | vacho | "write this" > test.php ? |
| 20:08.09 | regexp-help | i called the file "regualr" and ran |
| 20:08.17 | tremon | vacho: start openoffice, type some stuff, save as? |
| 20:08.18 | regexp-help | grep "^R[a-zA-z]*r$" regular |
| 20:08.24 | xzcvczx | vacho: that writes, >> appends |
| 20:08.41 | regexp-help | that returned grep: Invalid range end |
| 20:08.56 | xzcvczx | regexp-help: did you have a \n at end of file |
| 20:08.59 | tremon | regexp-help: [A-z] is invalid, there is no range from capital A to lower z |
| 20:09.05 | vacho | "test" >> test.php does not work..file still empty |
| 20:09.16 | xzcvczx | vacho: echo "test" >> test.php |
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| 20:09.31 | vacho | works, thanks |
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| 20:10.23 | regexp-help | this example you gave worked though so thanks fo ryour help guys. [Rr][a-zA-Z]*[Rr]$ |
| 20:10.45 | xzcvczx | you need a caret at the start |
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| 20:11.01 | raccoon_ | haha, i thought regexp-help was an pattern matching bot there for a while |
| 20:11.04 | xzcvczx | tremon: what makes you prefer that one? i find it pretty ugly |
| 20:11.15 | xzcvczx | raccoon_: would be nice |
| 20:11.24 | xzcvczx | raccoon_: thats what #regex is for :) |
| 20:11.29 | raccoon_ | yeah, figures :-) |
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| 20:12.33 | vacho | xzcvczx: where should I install the public key on the server? |
| 20:12.42 | vacho | I can't put it in .ssh because it's already a file with that name :) |
| 20:13.11 | xzcvczx | that should be a file |
| 20:13.21 | xzcvczx | folder |
| 20:13.26 | tremon | xzcvczx: his latest question said "matching Rr at start/end of line", but at that time he didn't say that each line only contained one word. So that's why I chose .* instead, and I'd prefer case-insensitive matching over [rR] [a-zA-Z] if possible |
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| 20:13.54 | vacho | xzcvczx: it is a folder... how do I put the client id_rsa.pub in the server .ssh folder? server has it's own id_rsa.pub in the .ssh folder. |
| 20:14.20 | tremon | vacho: .ssh/authorized_keys can contain more than one key, one per line. The id_rsa files are for the local identity, not for remote logins |
| 20:14.59 | xzcvczx | tremon: fair enough, but it does fall apart a bit if the regex engine doesn't have the option of insensitive |
| 20:15.09 | tremon | xzcvczx: the latter is just personal preference for readability |
| 20:15.16 | tremon | true, that last part |
| 20:16.01 | tremon | but I don't know many engines that don't have an option for case-insensitive matching |
| 20:16.32 | xzcvczx | tremon: but since its a homework question they probably want it to be independant :P |
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| 20:18.17 | dypsilon | Is it possible to install upstart alongside system v, but not replace it? The plan is to run upstart itself as a system v service to controll other services. |
| 20:18.46 | dypsilon | I have upstart script which I don't want to port back to system v, but I can't fully replace system v with upstart. |
| 20:19.16 | xzcvczx | not easily |
| 20:19.24 | tremon | dypsilon: you'd have to ask the upstart folk directly, but iirc upstart assumed to be running as pid#1 |
| 20:19.24 | xzcvczx | its like playing with matches in a hay barn |
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| 20:20.08 | dypsilon | tremon, xzcvczx, thank you for your insight |
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| 20:29.27 | sianios | hello im using debian freebsd kernel and when i enter sh filename.sh i get the massage syntax error: "(" unexpected |
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| 20:32.47 | EmleyMoor | sianios: Likely an error within filename.sh |
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| 20:33.52 | sianios | EmleyMoor, thanks i try find the erroe |
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| 20:34.07 | cusco | try bash file.sh |
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| 20:42.00 | hardwire | hrm.. anybody noticed that 'less' and 'man-db' conflict somehow in testing? |
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| 20:43.43 | sidewalk_ | upgraded to wheezy and found out that gnome 2 wasnt an option any more :-) |
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| 20:44.09 | et | sadly, gnome2 is dead |
| 20:44.29 | sidewalk | so, im trying to run gnome 3, but i dont like mutter |
| 20:44.37 | et | so you need to try xfce/lxde or something if you need a sane environment |
| 20:44.41 | sidewalk | compiz however doesnt give me any window decoration |
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| 20:44.56 | sidewalk | ill just run gnome 3, classic mode |
| 20:45.31 | sidewalk | the response time for mutter, is too slow |
| 20:45.35 | hardwire | ahha.. found it |
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| 20:46.07 | sidewalk | need something faster, anyone know why my windows dont get any decoration using compiz or how i can get some? :) |
| 20:46.17 | Jeudi | would /etc/cron.hourly wake a sleeping HDD? |
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| 20:46.40 | xzcvczx | Jeudi: depends if it accesses it |
| 20:46.50 | xzcvczx | Jeudi: its unlikely you root drive would sleep much though |
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| 20:48.07 | Jeudi | xzcvczx: I'm using a laptop as a server and I'd like to minimise disk wake time. Most of what the server does runs from RAM. |
| 20:48.25 | xzcvczx | and log files? |
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| 20:49.57 | Jeudi | Well, I was going to move as many as possible to a USB flash drive. Or store them in RAM, which seems a viable option. |
| 20:50.10 | Jeudi | I understand the risks of the latter. |
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| 20:50.55 | xzcvczx | lol, you would be better off moving to a rpi or something |
| 20:51.00 | xzcvczx | if you are trying to get that low power |
| 20:51.28 | RagBal | It seems that I can't ping upgraded Debian 7 hosts in a different network, other machines in that network are ping-able. Has anybody experienced the same issue? |
| 20:51.49 | RagBal | Debian 7 hosts in the same network ping perfectly |
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| 20:52.07 | zykotick9 | sidewalk: there is no compiz in wheezy? |
| 20:52.09 | xzcvczx | RagBal: is your route set correctly? |
| 20:52.19 | xzcvczx | RagBal: on both machines |
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| 20:52.45 | RagBal | xzcvczx, before the upgrade to Debian 7 it worked perfectly |
| 20:53.07 | xzcvczx | RagBal: so? |
| 20:53.12 | Rootert | xzcvczx: the other network is me :) |
| 20:53.21 | RagBal | Nothing else has changed beside the Debian 7 upgrade |
| 20:54.05 | xzcvczx | ok, well can you connect to any services on the deb7 machines? |
| 20:54.09 | Jeudi | xzcvczx: I don't the rpi supports gig ethernet. |
| 20:54.14 | Jeudi | ^don't think^ |
| 20:54.34 | xzcvczx | have you checked the firewall? is the default set up for allowing ping? |
| 20:54.46 | vacho | so guys.. as root..I created a new user called rick.. "sudo adduser rick" |
| 20:54.53 | vacho | he is sucessfully created, now how do I login as rick? |
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| 20:55.27 | RagBal | xzcvczx, as I said, it worked perfectly before the Debian 7 upgrade, nothing else has changed except the upgrade =) |
| 20:55.36 | ksuhku | zykotick9, apparently so |
| 20:55.39 | Rootert | xzcvczx: telnetting to port 80 of RagBal's webserver does not work, while it is available from the outside world |
| 20:55.40 | sidewalk | zykotick9: i have some compiz-core package there, so i guess its around |
| 20:55.43 | xzcvczx | doesn't stop defaults from being changed |
| 20:56.01 | zykotick9 | sidewalk: then it's not from wheezy. mixing repos are we? |
| 20:56.07 | xzcvczx | then it may be the firewall |
| 20:56.08 | sidewalk | zykotick9: did a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:56.14 | RagBal | xzcvczx, other OSes are ping-able |
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| 20:56.31 | vacho | xzcvczx: this is my last question sir .... I crated a user called "rick" using "sudo adduser rick" ... now how to do I login as rick? |
| 20:56.50 | sidewalk | zykotick9: anywho, what alternatives are there in wheezy, that work good? |
| 20:57.10 | xzcvczx | sudo passwd rick |
| 20:57.29 | xzcvczx | RagBal: well whats the response to the ping |
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| 20:57.46 | xzcvczx | and it really has no affect if other os's are pingable |
| 20:58.05 | zykotick9 | sidewalk: i'm not really sure? good luck, i'm not much of a gnome3 person, i use awesome mainly |
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| 20:58.11 | Zeeflo | hey guys.. I would like to add a dir on my remote debian server, on a windows laptop.. |
| 20:58.24 | Zeeflo | Would samba be the solution here? |
| 20:58.29 | xzcvczx | yes |
| 20:58.42 | edeca | Zeeflo: If you want to mount it in Windows, probably yes |
| 20:58.54 | Zeeflo | im only used to samba in LANs |
| 20:58.57 | edeca | Zeeflo: If you just want to create one, then you have a whole world of options |
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| 20:59.07 | Rootert | xzcvczx: From <snip> (192.168.xxx.xxx) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 20:59.07 | Zeeflo | ive never done samba for remote announcing |
| 20:59.10 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: if you are doing it over the network then no |
| 20:59.21 | xzcvczx | Rootert: then its not a firewall issue, sounds like route is missing |
| 20:59.32 | Zeeflo | how would I go about and mount a dir on my deb server then? |
| 20:59.38 | xzcvczx | Rootert: whats returning the dest host unreachable |
| 20:59.45 | edeca | Zeeflo: Samba is not designed for over t'internet |
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| 20:59.55 | Zeeflo | edeca, any alternative? |
| 20:59.58 | edeca | Zeeflo: Do you _need_ to mount it? Or just copy files around? |
| 21:00.02 | sigma__ | Zeeflo, NFS |
| 21:00.10 | Zeeflo | The servers dont have nfs :/ |
| 21:00.18 | Rootert | xzcvczx: I pinged the FQDN of a remote debian machine |
| 21:00.18 | Zeeflo | theyre etx |
| 21:00.18 | sigma__ | so apt-get it? |
| 21:00.18 | Zeeflo | ext |
| 21:00.38 | xzcvczx | Rootert: well seeing as all your care about is other stuff working i have no interest in helping you any futher |
| 21:00.59 | Rootert | xzcvczx: =/ |
| 21:01.03 | Zeeflo | My webservers are in germany... I want to mount the www dir on my laptop (here in denmark), so I can live edit the php/css etc |
| 21:01.19 | Zeeflo | im getting pretty tired of having to upload/download constantly |
| 21:01.20 | Rootert | let's rephrase the question then: are you aware of any changes from Squeeze to Wheezy that could cause issues like this? |
| 21:01.33 | xzcvczx | no, but thats why i was trying to help you |
| 21:01.44 | JodaZ | Zeeflo, your client machine is linux ? |
| 21:01.44 | Rootert | xzcvczx: and I was trying to cooperate |
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| 21:01.59 | xzcvczx | Rootert: do i need to paste each of your responses? |
| 21:02.02 | Zeeflo | JodaZ, no, its a windows machine.. But I am considering putting mint or debian on it.. |
| 21:02.06 | Rootert | sure go ahead |
| 21:02.08 | Zeeflo | im pretty tired of windows |
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| 21:02.21 | Zeeflo | or, create a dualboot |
| 21:02.36 | sigma__ | mounting over a network isn't going to solve "uploading and downloading" woes |
| 21:02.37 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: so you have ssh access to your www server? |
| 21:02.46 | Zeeflo | if I was on a debian laptop, I would just sshfs to it |
| 21:02.51 | xzcvczx | sigma__: but he can double click it to edit it |
| 21:02.57 | Zeeflo | yea I do xzcvczx |
| 21:02.58 | JodaZ | Zeeflo, samba is blocked at most isp firewalls, you'd best vpn into your machine if you wanted samba, but its a bitch anyways... there are dropbox like tools you could propably use or auto ftp sync tools i think, also if you got your own firewall a bit under control, NFS should be no problem |
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| 21:03.17 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: isn't ftp relatively integrated in windows these days? |
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| 21:03.37 | Zeeflo | I think ill just create a dualboot system.. |
| 21:03.40 | Zeeflo | and sshfs to it |
| 21:03.46 | xzcvczx | probably easier :) |
| 21:03.50 | Zeeflo | that would make my world alot easier |
| 21:03.51 | JodaZ | Zeeflo, can't you set up some rsync job ? |
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| 21:04.17 | xzcvczx | Rootert: so can you make a private pastebin of the ping |
| 21:04.21 | xzcvczx | and you can pm me the link |
| 21:04.32 | Cataphract | How can I have automatic upgrades for experimental packages only if I already have a version installed from experimental for that package? |
| 21:04.39 | xzcvczx | i need to figure out what machine is returning the dest host unreachable as that determines where the issue is |
| 21:04.52 | Zeeflo | so, a fair question.. Which desktop should I choose?? Ive never worked in a linux desktop environment... |
| 21:04.55 | sidewalk | so what do i use instead of avant-window-navigator in wheezy ? |
| 21:05.00 | xzcvczx | Rootert: a traceroute would be nice as well |
| 21:05.08 | RagBal | xzcvczx, the local machine is returning it |
| 21:05.20 | sidewalk | please, dont cairo-dock me :) |
| 21:05.34 | sigma__ | it's possible that the machines are just dropping icmp by default |
| 21:05.34 | xzcvczx | RagBal: ok so run route and see whats in there |
| 21:05.37 | xzcvczx | route |
| 21:05.40 | RagBal | Ok sec |
| 21:05.54 | sigma__ | or that something along the way is dropping it |
| 21:05.55 | xzcvczx | sigma__: nah its dest host unreachable |
| 21:06.08 | xzcvczx | typically linux is setup to ignore meaning it timeout |
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| 21:06.14 | sigma__ | good point |
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| 21:07.23 | Zeeflo | any os/desktop suggestions? |
| 21:07.34 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: depends what you are wanting |
| 21:07.37 | Zeeflo | debian with cinnamon? |
| 21:07.47 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: cinnamon is too heavy for my liking |
| 21:07.48 | Zeeflo | basically, I need it only for webcoding and browser support |
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| 21:08.03 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: crunchbang would do that for you |
| 21:08.13 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: but so would any linux distro on the planet |
| 21:08.18 | Zeeflo | email, webcoding and supporting a ton of browsers |
| 21:08.35 | sigma__ | supporting a ton of browsers is probably the toughest requirement |
| 21:08.37 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: #define ton |
| 21:08.49 | xzcvczx | as there ain't no linux support for ie |
| 21:08.52 | xzcvczx | or safari |
| 21:08.56 | Zeeflo | well.. I gotta be able to install safari, firefox and chrome.. |
| 21:09.01 | Zeeflo | my websites require those browsers |
| 21:09.03 | xzcvczx | then install osx |
| 21:09.05 | sigma__ | if you need to be running multiple browser versions simultaneously things are going to get messy fast |
| 21:09.17 | Zeeflo | nono |
| 21:09.25 | Zeeflo | I use chrome spoofing for that |
| 21:09.31 | xzcvczx | bad idea |
| 21:09.35 | sigma__ | ^ |
| 21:09.41 | xzcvczx | chrome is splitting webkit off |
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| 21:09.48 | Zeeflo | its only to simulate older browsers |
| 21:09.49 | xzcvczx | well chromium is i believe |
| 21:09.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | kvm virtual machine? |
| 21:09.59 | sigma__ | no, it's for emulation |
| 21:10.00 | Zeeflo | But I need FF, chrome and safari browser |
| 21:10.01 | xzcvczx | therefore it will not be a good match for safari |
| 21:10.04 | sigma__ | simulation != emulation |
| 21:10.11 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: then install os x |
| 21:10.15 | Zeeflo | os x |
| 21:10.16 | Zeeflo | ? |
| 21:10.18 | ckoch786_ | I added the following line deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib |
| 21:10.20 | ckoch786_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.25 | Zeeflo | lilke... Apple OS X? |
| 21:10.33 | sigma__ | yup |
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| 21:10.38 | Zeeflo | ?? |
| 21:10.46 | Zeeflo | are you seriously suggesting me to get an apple product? |
| 21:10.54 | sigma__ | you're the one who wants safari |
| 21:10.57 | sigma__ | and a correct answer |
| 21:11.07 | xzcvczx | yes |
| 21:11.12 | Zeeflo | theres no linux distros that supports safari browser? |
| 21:11.16 | sigma__ | none |
| 21:11.18 | Zeeflo | crap |
| 21:11.30 | xzcvczx | no because safari is not open source |
| 21:11.34 | sigma__ | you'll be limited to firefox, opera, chrome, and a million no-name browsers |
| 21:11.37 | edju | Downloaded debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso. then "cp ...iso /dev/sdb" and "sync" to a usb stick. Isn't that supposed to be bootable? |
| 21:11.38 | xzcvczx | and only available on win and mac |
| 21:11.53 | dondelelcaro | you could probably manage to get safari to run under qemu, but that would still be your problem. |
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| 21:11.56 | Zeeflo | well.. If forgetting about safari then, would it be a choice to get debian with cinnamon or, kde or? |
| 21:12.03 | Zeeflo | i have no clue which desktop to chose |
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| 21:12.31 | sidewalk | why oh why did i ever upgrade to wheezy |
| 21:12.33 | sidewalk | :-) |
| 21:12.40 | Zeeflo | yup |
| 21:12.46 | Zeeflo | you cant downgrade ;) |
| 21:12.50 | sigma__ | the window manager you choose is largely irrelevant and going to be heavily dependent on your personal preferences |
| 21:13.03 | ckoch786_ | I am trying to backport emacs24 to wheezy but it does not show up when I search for it. |
| 21:13.13 | Zeeflo | sigma__, I have no personal preference.. Ive never been on a debian desktop.. |
| 21:13.32 | sigma__ | yeah, if you have no personal preference my advice would be to just try them out and see what you like best |
| 21:13.42 | sigma__ | most people head toward kde or gnome, I tend to go the xfce route |
| 21:13.43 | Zeeflo | sigma__, probably yeah |
| 21:14.09 | Zeeflo | can someone point me in a good direction to get dualboot installation instructions? |
| 21:14.13 | xzcvczx | sigma__: xfce is too heavy :P |
| 21:14.22 | sigma__ | xzcvczx, :P |
| 21:14.35 | sigma__ | I had the "amazing" idea the other day to execute a wm using aalib |
| 21:14.58 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 21:15.15 | sigma__ | I'm morbidly curious to know how that would turn out |
| 21:15.16 | xzcvczx | i normally end up back on the *box |
| 21:15.29 | sigma__ | yeah, flux and blackbox are pretty nice |
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| 21:16.20 | sigma__ | Zeeflo, I would think most if not all resources describing a debian installation will cover multiple partitions |
| 21:16.24 | xzcvczx | sigma__: and open |
| 21:16.31 | sigma__ | the main key to dual boot is to not clobber your original OS's partition |
| 21:16.41 | sigma__ | don't think I've used open |
| 21:16.56 | Zeeflo | i think ill just wipe the hdd completely |
| 21:17.10 | xzcvczx | resizing partitions can be dangerous |
| 21:17.12 | xzcvczx | so not a bad idea |
| 21:17.17 | Zeeflo | my work dirs are mounted from my debian home server |
| 21:17.20 | ctmjr | ckoch786: unstable is not backports |
| 21:17.26 | sigma__ | yeah, you generally will want to size your partitions to last |
| 21:17.46 | ckoch786_ | ctmjr: I know, I am backporting it myself |
| 21:17.46 | Zeeflo | ill just create partitions during install, and have a partition created for windows |
| 21:17.54 | Zeeflo | Heres my golden question.. |
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| 21:18.32 | Zeeflo | Adding windows to grub should be easy enough, but is it easy the other way around? In other words.. Should I install win7 first, and then debian and edit grub, or ? |
| 21:18.36 | Zeeflo | whats preferable? |
| 21:18.46 | sigma__ | whichever bootloader you prefer |
| 21:18.54 | Zeeflo | grub |
| 21:19.03 | socomm | Zeeflo: generally speaking you win first and linux+grub second |
| 21:19.18 | Zeeflo | Im asking, is it possible to get into grub after a windows install? |
| 21:19.19 | Zeeflo | yea |
| 21:19.20 | sigma__ | then you should probably do the disk partitioning first |
| 21:19.20 | sigma__ | install win7 |
| 21:19.20 | sigma__ | then install deb |
| 21:19.28 | Zeeflo | socomm, that was what I was thinking |
| 21:19.43 | sigma__ | you could do the reverse order but then you're going to have to mess with the grub config yourself |
| 21:19.45 | socomm | Zeeflo: windows has the bad habit of assuming it is the only OS on a given machine (IE: MBR is mine regardless if there is anything present on it already) |
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| 21:19.47 | Zeeflo | ok. I think im good to go with a debian desktop then |
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| 21:19.58 | Zeeflo | socomm, yea.. That was my thought.. |
| 21:20.11 | socomm | Zeeflo: is there a reason you don't just use a VM instead of dual booting? |
| 21:20.20 | socomm | i mean dual boot is so 1998 :^/ |
| 21:20.24 | sigma__ | socomm, I could be mistaken but I recall the win7 bootloader being able to detect other partitions and boot them |
| 21:20.30 | Zeeflo | socomm, yea, but it works :) |
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| 21:20.50 | socomm | sigma__: possibly, haven't installed win 8 on anything but 1 machine |
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| 21:20.57 | Zeeflo | besides, all my work and interests could easily be done with linux.. |
| 21:20.59 | sigma__ | nah 7 |
| 21:20.59 | socomm | Zeeflo: it works one at a time ..... |
| 21:21.04 | Zeeflo | But I need the win7 for the kids |
| 21:21.25 | socomm | Zeeflo: so why not win 7 host with linux guest? |
| 21:21.31 | sigma__ | yeah |
| 21:21.35 | Zeeflo | hmm |
| 21:21.36 | sigma__ | vmware player is free |
| 21:21.44 | sigma__ | and you don't have to leave one OS to go to the other |
| 21:21.46 | socomm | s/vmware\ player/virtualbox/ |
| 21:21.52 | Zeeflo | i guess I could do that.. |
| 21:22.01 | sigma__ | w/e you prefer for virtualization anyway |
| 21:22.02 | Zeeflo | whats the windows port to use? |
| 21:22.03 | Towzzer | virtual box is great |
| 21:22.08 | Zeeflo | virtual box? |
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| 21:22.14 | socomm | Oracle Virtualbox |
| 21:22.17 | Zeeflo | im only familiar with xenserver |
| 21:22.33 | zykotick9 | sigma__: vmware is not free (as in FAIF) :p |
| 21:22.36 | socomm | Zeeflo: its so easy even I can use it |
| 21:22.43 | Zeeflo | ill try it ;) |
| 21:22.47 | socomm | Zeeflo: its all point and click |
| 21:22.51 | xzcvczx | usb sucks on virtualbox |
| 21:22.52 | sigma__ | when I say free I will almost always mean as in free beer |
| 21:22.54 | socomm | with wizards and what not |
| 21:22.57 | Zeeflo | yea well. not that it matters.. |
| 21:23.03 | Zeeflo | I could work it most likely |
| 21:23.05 | socomm | xzcvczx: works fine for me, on both linux and windows |
| 21:23.13 | Zeeflo | im just used to static environments.. |
| 21:23.20 | Zeeflo | if we need a server, we buy one.. |
| 21:23.20 | ketsa | can't find debian live downloads for 7.0, not ready yet ? |
| 21:23.38 | sigma__ | I haven't had any problems with virtualbox, I just don't like supporting oracle |
| 21:23.46 | socomm | Zeeflo: virtualization is the future, if you need a server you create one |
| 21:23.53 | Zeeflo | I know socomm |
| 21:23.57 | sigma__ | virtualization is the present :P |
| 21:24.08 | sigma__ | it was the future nearly 10 years ago |
| 21:24.13 | Zeeflo | would it run fairly off of a laptop? (virtualbox) |
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| 21:24.36 | socomm | sigma__: I still know of people who would rather have baremetal over virtual |
| 21:24.47 | sigma__ | yeah, there's a few cases where that's legit |
| 21:24.51 | sigma__ | emphasis on few though |
| 21:24.53 | socomm | Zeeflo: as long as your processor has VT tech you should be fine |
| 21:25.00 | socomm | Zeeflo: lots of ram would help too |
| 21:25.02 | Zeeflo | ahh hmmm |
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| 21:25.09 | Zeeflo | no.. then this laptop is not for vm's |
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| 21:25.13 | Zeeflo | only 4g ram |
| 21:25.17 | Zeeflo | core i3 |
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| 21:25.24 | socomm | Zeeflo: 4 should be fine, i3 has VT afaik |
| 21:25.30 | Zeeflo | yea it does |
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| 21:25.47 | zykotick9 | test for virt support = cat /proc/cpuinfo | egrep '(vmx|svm)' |
| 21:26.15 | socomm | https://www.grc.com/securable.htm <-- windows |
| 21:26.27 | Zeeflo | screw it! Ill create a dualboot system |
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| 21:26.36 | Zeeflo | I wanna have this disk wiped |
| 21:27.11 | asenk | i want to upgrade my debian homeserver from 6.07 to 7. What are the odds it couls break my ability to ssh to it from internet? |
| 21:27.33 | xzcvczx | asenk: about that |
| 21:27.37 | Zeeflo | asenk, no.. not likely unless you screw up bad |
| 21:27.54 | xzcvczx | asenk: make sure you look at the list of packages before you blindly hit yes |
| 21:27.55 | Zeeflo | upgrading from 6 to 7 is a 3 step process |
| 21:28.06 | Zeeflo | also Asenar |
| 21:28.12 | Zeeflo | also asenk |
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| 21:28.23 | Zeeflo | You cant downgrade afterwards.. |
| 21:28.25 | Zeeflo | so be sure! |
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| 21:32.20 | asenk | Im just worried it would break since i no longer have any way i could reinstall the system. |
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| 21:33.00 | r3m | ,v conky |
| 21:33.01 | judd | Package: conky on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.9.0-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 1.9.0-2; sid: 1.9.0-2; wheezy: 1.9.0-2 |
| 21:33.19 | Zeeflo | asenk, then dont upgrade? |
| 21:33.26 | tremon | asenk: I wouldn't recommend performing a remote dist-upgrade if you have no way of reaching the console |
| 21:33.37 | Zeeflo | if you didnt need wheezy yesterday, you dont need it today... |
| 21:33.49 | tremon | however, I've dist-upgraded all my machines (4) even before the release and didn't have any issues |
| 21:34.03 | Zeeflo | neither had I on our test servers |
| 21:34.19 | Zeeflo | but, wheezy was buggy as hell |
| 21:34.25 | Zeeflo | is it stable now? |
| 21:34.25 | asenk | i believe having a newer kernel will bring better drivers for the wireless card |
| 21:34.47 | Zeeflo | asenk, you can use a newer kernel with sarge ;) |
| 21:34.57 | Zeeflo | you dont need to distro upgrade just to use a new kernel |
| 21:36.10 | EmleyMoor | wheezy is stable, jessie is testing |
| 21:36.34 | Zeeflo | when did it go stable? |
| 21:36.40 | EmleyMoor | Saturday |
| 21:36.45 | Zeeflo | awesome |
| 21:36.49 | Zeeflo | didnt even know |
| 21:37.33 | xzcvczx | wonders whether debian has ever been based on a female character |
| 21:37.50 | rwp | Bo |
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| 21:37.53 | Zeeflo | Bo |
| 21:38.11 | xzcvczx | wow i lose |
| 21:39.11 | Zeeflo | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 21:39.23 | Zeeflo | been using debian since woody |
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| 21:39.34 | Zeeflo | (for server environments) |
| 21:39.36 | almondjoy | anyone here familiar with postfix? |
| 21:39.47 | ckoch786_ | I am trying to backport emacs24 into wheezy from sid, but I cannot figure out how to download the package. |
| 21:40.02 | EmleyMoor | goes back as far as slink |
| 21:40.11 | xzcvczx | ckoch786_: you playing with fire dude |
| 21:40.26 | zykotick9 | ckoch786_: backporting involves bulding the package from source see "/msg dpkg ssb" for directions. |
| 21:40.38 | almondjoy | at this point wheezy is stable |
| 21:40.39 | xzcvczx | ckoch786_: the libs are potentially all wrong |
| 21:40.47 | ckoch786_ | zykotick9: I am aware |
| 21:40.48 | almondjoy | backporting would be testing, not unstable |
| 21:41.08 | almondjoy | but anyway anyone know postfix? |
| 21:41.27 | xzcvczx | almondjoy: #postfix might :P |
| 21:41.31 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 21:41.36 | EmleyMoor | almondjoy: No, backports (as in ready-made ones) are backports of testing. No reason why DIY ones have to be - though it can be troublesome, of course. |
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| 21:41.41 | ckoch786_ | almondjoy: from what I've read it can be from either |
| 21:41.52 | rwp | almondjoy, Please don't ask if you can ask. Just ask. |
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| 21:42.03 | EmleyMoor | has even backported from experimental on one occasion |
| 21:42.04 | rwp | What is your question? |
| 21:42.11 | Zeeflo | can I please ask, if I can ask a question then? :D |
| 21:42.22 | rwp | No. |
| 21:42.31 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: only if you type '/quit <your question here> |
| 21:42.33 | rwp | chuckles evily |
| 21:42.39 | ckoch786_ | usully from testing but security updates and other packages can be backported into stable |
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| 21:42.52 | ckoch786_ | from unstable |
| 21:42.55 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 21:42.56 | almondjoy | rwp: I can't talk in #postfix, I need +v and no ops around |
| 21:42.58 | Spec | heh, suhosin is gone |
| 21:43.00 | almondjoy | but anyway |
| 21:43.18 | almondjoy | I need to be able to relay outbound and I can only get it to relay to a specific domain |
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| 21:43.26 | almondjoy | wildcards don't seem to work |
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| 21:43.43 | xzcvczx | almondjoy: what makes you think you need +v? |
| 21:43.56 | almondjoy | it's a +m channel |
| 21:44.00 | Spec | almondjoy: setting relayhost makes postfix relay all traffic to the relayhost. |
| 21:44.01 | xzcvczx | no it snot |
| 21:44.05 | xzcvczx | its not* |
| 21:44.24 | Zeeflo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEgk1Hdze0 and forward to 1:22!!!! |
| 21:44.34 | Spec | almondjoy: oh, nvm. not sure if that affects outbound. |
| 21:44.34 | Zeeflo | (lets talk about javascript) ;) |
| 21:44.49 | Spec | although i think it does. |
| 21:45.43 | Zeeflo | NaNNaNNaNNaNNaN ;) |
| 21:46.06 | ckoch786_ | zykotick9: I have already done that but when I search for emacs24 it does not show up. I am trying to follow the "official way" so I can upload the backport when I am done for others. |
| 21:46.53 | Zeeflo | That video is awesome :D |
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| 21:47.16 | socomm | javascript - not even once |
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| 21:47.48 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: nice |
| 21:47.55 | Zeeflo | its hilarious :) |
| 21:48.34 | xzcvczx | Zeeflo: for future reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kXEgk1Hdze0#t=81s |
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| 21:49.00 | Zeeflo | Thanks :) |
| 21:49.10 | xzcvczx | np |
| 21:49.57 | Zeeflo | why does js language suck so hard? :D |
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| 21:50.08 | Spec | node is great from what I've seen, Zeeflo |
| 21:50.16 | doc_b | can i get some help with ethernet bridge? I'm trying to connect a device to the ethernet port of another device which is connected to the router via wifi |
| 21:50.18 | doc_b | router -> wlan0 -> comp1 -> eth0 -> comp2 |
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| 21:50.36 | ckoch786_ | after adding deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib to my sourecs list and performing aptitude update, none of the packages from unstable show up when I do apt-cache show emacs24\* |
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| 21:52.15 | ckoch786_ | here is my sources.list https://gist.github.com/ckoch786/5543955 |
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| 21:56.54 | belak | I'm running into some weird issues on a box I'm running... any ideas? : Setting up slapd (2.4.23-7.3) ... Creating initial configuration... mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/ldap/slapd.conf': File exists |
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| 22:02.06 | asenk | im going to have to upgrade the dist eventually in anycase - the more i differ from default installation (even by changing only kernel) the more trouble i feel im asking for |
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| 22:02.52 | asenk | im going to go ahead and just hope everything goes perfectly. |
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| 22:04.37 | nyk2005 | I just installed stable netinstall, and now it's as always only booting when the USB stick is plugged in (drive order issue). Is there a quick fix for this? |
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| 22:07.56 | fishxxx | i have a logitech marble mouse (trackball) how do i set it so holding the back button on the mouse while moving the ball scrolls? |
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| 22:09.39 | fishxxx | i have a logitech marble mouse (trackball) how do i set it so holding the left small button on the mouse while moving the ball scrolls? |
| 22:09.46 | mtn | nyk2005: when you are booted into debian, run grub-install and put it where you want it. Probably /dev/sda, but only you know for sure. :) |
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| 22:10.40 | samruger | do i just change "wheezy" to "jessie" is my sources and update/upgrade to move up to jessie? |
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| 22:10.59 | sidewalk | will avant-window-navigator be brought back to debian 7.0? |
| 22:11.39 | mtn | sidewalk: 7.0 is done and nothing new will be added |
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| 22:12.18 | zykotick9 | !tell sidewalk about stable |
| 22:12.28 | fishxxx | but you could install avant window manager yourself. |
| 22:12.52 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: ok, thanks! but wasn't grub-install already run on install? So why again? |
| 22:13.10 | mtn | nyk2005: because you did it incorrectly, I assume. |
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| 22:14.10 | nyk2005 | mtn: I put the MBR on the USB stick? |
| 22:14.30 | mtn | nyk2005: give it a try and see if that fixes it for you. |
| 22:14.43 | mtn | nyk2005: Looks like it, yes |
| 22:14.45 | zykotick9 | nyk2005: how did you create your usb install? |
| 22:15.03 | fishxxx | i have a logitech marble mouse (trackball) how do i set it so holding the left small button on the mouse while moving the ball scrolls? buttons are left big and small and right big and small |
| 22:15.19 | nyk2005 | zykotick9: unetbootin |
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| 22:15.32 | zykotick9 | nyk2005: ya, i could have guessed. |
| 22:15.35 | nyk2005 | mtn: do I also have to set the boot flag in fdisk? |
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| 22:15.42 | mtn | nyk2005: no |
| 22:15.51 | zykotick9 | nyk2005: grub doesn't use bootflag |
| 22:15.55 | nyk2005 | zykotick9: why? not a good way to install? |
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| 22:16.09 | nyk2005 | mtn: ok, so I try grub-install only$ |
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| 22:16.49 | zykotick9 | nyk2005: unetbootin is known to cause issues. using cat is a much better (and the documented) option. |
| 22:16.53 | Stameni | If I want only "python3-matplotlib" from debian testing, how do I do that ? |
| 22:17.22 | abrotman | judd: versions python3-matplotlib |
| 22:17.23 | judd | Package: python3-matplotlib on i386 -- experimental: 1.2.0-1 |
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| 22:17.36 | abrotman | Stameni: doesn't exist there |
| 22:17.40 | nyk2005 | zykotick9: ok, good to know |
| 22:17.51 | Stameni | abrotman: then in experimental |
| 22:18.04 | Stameni | add a repo and apt-get -t ? |
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| 22:20.03 | sdd6 | bnsoir |
| 22:20.09 | sdd6 | +o |
| 22:20.50 | abrotman | hi? |
| 22:20.59 | sdd6 | hi ! |
| 22:21.01 | sdd6 | :p |
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| 22:21.39 | sdd6 | is it an english chanel ? |
| 22:21.42 | nyk2005 | mnt: thanks! it works now! finally no more USB stick needed in the server, and so also no more screen! :) |
| 22:21.54 | sdd6 | i have my answer :p |
| 22:22.00 | mtn | nyk2005: welcome |
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| 22:23.21 | asenk | My squeeze to wheezy update went without a single problem. Thanks for the tips everyone |
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| 22:26.41 | Stameni | stamenko@laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install -t python3-matplotlib |
| 22:26.41 | Stameni | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:26.41 | Stameni | E: The value 'python3-matplotlib' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 22:27.04 | tremon | Stameni: missing experimental |
| 22:27.10 | sdd6 | i would like to know if someone knows THE good ati driver for a hd4800 working ! |
| 22:27.27 | Stameni | tremon: i have added experimental in ~/sources.list |
| 22:27.54 | Stameni | and when sudo apt-cache policy package, i can see that it exists in experimental |
| 22:27.57 | sdd6 | on debian wheezy 64 bits () |
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| 22:28.39 | tremon | sdd6: what's good to you? there are only two drivers, xserver-xorg-video-radeon (r600g) and xserver-xorg-video-fglrx (catalyst) |
| 22:29.07 | sdd6 | for playing, the best i dont know :d |
| 22:29.17 | sdd6 | what is better, nonfree ? |
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| 22:29.24 | sdd6 | or ati driver |
| 22:29.24 | mtn | Stameni: did you do update? |
| 22:29.28 | tremon | Stameni: you did not include it on the command line. see man apt-get |
| 22:29.41 | mtn | ah so |
| 22:29.46 | Stameni | mtn, yes |
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| 22:30.22 | tremon | sdd6: what is better to you? last time I checked, fglrx still had issues with suspend/resume and multi-monitor support |
| 22:30.32 | Stameni | tremon: , how is that ? please explain |
| 22:30.41 | sdd6 | tremon: mm good |
| 22:31.08 | tremon | sdd6: and the free driver lags behind in 3d performance |
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| 22:31.26 | sdd6 | tremon: i'm novice (in english too :/) and i 'd like to install steam team fortress on my debian |
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| 22:32.16 | sdd6 | tremon: i dont know if its actived but at boot time it tell me nonfree driver need to be installed |
| 22:32.19 | Stameni | tremon: i got it ( -t EXPERIMENTAL package ), tnx |
| 22:32.31 | tremon | sdd6: I have no experience with steam, but if you want to play 3d games and use single-monitor, fglrx is presumably the better choice |
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| 22:32.43 | dokma | what happened to klogd ?? |
| 22:32.50 | sdd6 | ok thanks tremon |
| 22:32.55 | dokma | since I switched to wheezy I didn't get anything in syslog |
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| 22:33.38 | tremon | dokma: that's not klogd then, that's syslog. klogd has been missing as a separate tool for ages (at least 3 debian releases) |
| 22:33.41 | x2b | hey everyone, I am just trying to migrate from arch linux to debian wheezy. I have the following problem: I have a software "raid 1" and an encrypted luks disc inside of it. The raid is being recognized just fone, but even though I have a crypttab and cryptsetup installed I am never being asked for my disk password and the encrypted disk is not unlocked on startup. What am I doing wrong? |
| 22:34.21 | sdd6 | the problem is http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/fglrx-driver non availiable |
| 22:34.34 | sdd6 | no list downloadable |
| 22:34.43 | tremon | sdd6: at a guess, you need to explicitly enable the non-free sources |
| 22:34.49 | tremon | !tell sdd6 about non-free sources |
| 22:35.04 | sdd6 | ok |
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| 22:35.42 | tremon | x2b: can you paste the contents of your crypttab and the output of blkid? |
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| 22:36.53 | x2b | My crypttab is a one liner: "crypt /dev/md1 none luks" |
| 22:37.00 | tremon | !paste |
| 22:37.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:38.21 | sdd6 | souces added |
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| 22:39.05 | sdd6 | and i've done a apt-get update |
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| 22:39.39 | sdd6 | tremon: apt-get install fglrx ? |
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| 22:40.06 | jeturcotte | sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm having a helluva time (as a first timer doing this) getting clamav permission to scan email … get permission denied all over the place even though the spool dir is 750 is owned by exim and clamav's primary group is also exim |
| 22:40.18 | x2b | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/3012 |
| 22:40.45 | tremon | sdd6: install fglrx-driver, I think |
| 22:40.45 | mtn | sdd6: isn't the package fglrx-driver? |
| 22:40.56 | x2b | Do I need to update the ramdisk? |
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| 22:41.27 | sdd6 | no fglrx in synaptics .. |
| 22:41.30 | tremon | x2b: what ramdisk? Please also paste the output of blkid (as root) |
| 22:42.14 | tremon | x2b: you mean initramfs, I guess. No, that's only necessary if you've encrypted your / |
| 22:42.25 | solrize | how do i install a .deb in a way that gets all the dependencies? is there an apt-get option |
| 22:42.33 | x2b | blkid with or without decryption? |
| 22:42.47 | sdd6 | tremon: instaling |
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| 22:42.56 | tremon | x2b: doesn't matter, I want to see how the partitions are detected and listed |
| 22:43.01 | sdd6 | fglrx-driver yes |
| 22:43.41 | mtn | solrize: if it is not from the debian repo, you use dpkg. see man dpkg |
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| 22:43.56 | tremon | solrize: the correct answer is "you don't". The correct way is to either let apt-get fetch and install the package with its dependencies, or you do everything manually |
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| 22:44.11 | solrize | i tried dpkg -i but it complained of a bunch of missing dependencies |
| 22:44.18 | abrotman | you can dpkg -i foo.deb;apt-get -f install foo |
| 22:44.21 | abrotman | or try it anyway |
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| 22:44.36 | mtn | solrize: things might break! |
| 22:44.57 | x2b | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/3014 this should be the relevant part. |
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| 22:45.07 | solrize | hmm it says run apt-get -f install with no packages |
| 22:45.13 | tremon | solrize: the ugly way is to break your setup and let apt-get try to fix it for you: dpkg --force-deps, apt-get install -f. But you have been warned about breakage |
| 22:45.14 | solrize | so i tried that and it wants to install a bunch of stuff |
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| 22:45.26 | solrize | oh man that's ugly |
| 22:45.35 | solrize | is apt-get install -f a bad idea in general? |
| 22:45.44 | solrize | apt-get -f install i mean |
| 22:45.50 | mtn | solrize: yes, use the debian repos if possible |
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| 22:45.55 | solrize | this .deb is not in a debian repo |
| 22:46.03 | solrize | but it depends on a bunch of them |
| 22:46.06 | mtn | solrize: yay, I got that |
| 22:46.14 | mtn | yay=yah |
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| 22:46.44 | abrotman | solrize: try it and see |
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| 22:46.52 | solrize | ok |
| 22:47.01 | abrotman | solrize: do not force the dependencies .. tremon is talking crazy |
| 22:47.09 | tremon | solrize: apt-get install -f is meant as an attempt repair a broken setup. If you need it, it is a sure sign the road leading up to it was a bad idea |
| 22:47.11 | diegob | Hi guys. I'm trying to install Debian 7.0 on a HP Proliant M310e G8 server. Problem is I configured RAID 1 using HP Smart Array but Debian only recognizes the HDDs separately, like I did not turned on RAID1 (I expected a new and unique volume). Any tips on that? |
| 22:47.28 | solrize | dpkg -i saved a lot of dependency info someplace? |
| 22:47.29 | dpkg | removes a lung from solrize and replaces it with saved a lot of dependency info someplace |
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| 22:47.49 | solrize | well this is all in a virtualbox container, worse case is i just nuke it all and start over |
| 22:47.55 | tremon | abrotman: I don't understand. dpkg -i will refuse to install with missing dependencies, right? or will it only fail to configure? |
| 22:48.24 | abrotman | solrize: that's not what i said |
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| 22:48.38 | solrize | well it seems to work now |
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| 22:48.52 | solrize | apt-get install -f ; dpkg -i package.deb worked |
| 22:49.09 | abrotman | because apt-get -f install already installed it |
| 22:49.20 | solrize | oh cool |
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| 22:50.25 | tremon | x2b: ok, there's nothing wrong with what you posted. Do you see any error messages during boot, or when you run cryptsetup manually? |
| 22:50.55 | edju | Downloaded debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso. then "cp ...iso /dev/sdb" and "sync" to a usb stick. Isn't that supposed to be bootable? |
| 22:51.38 | abrotman | !tell edju about usb install |
| 22:51.43 | x2b | well, I can run "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/md1 crypt" without problems |
| 22:51.44 | abrotman | read the instructions |
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| 22:53.42 | tremon | edju: I'm not sure if the netinst iso's are hybrids too. can you try with cd1 instead? |
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| 22:54.59 | abrotman | tremon: they are |
| 22:55.03 | abrotman | edju: use the netinst |
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| 22:56.03 | pupil | execuse me, i have problem installing ia32-libs in my 64bi wheezy |
| 22:56.24 | tremon | pupil: forgot to add-architecture i386? |
| 22:56.25 | abrotman | pupil: doesn't exist, use multiarch |
| 22:56.33 | abrotman | !tell pupil about multiarch |
| 22:56.47 | pupil | let me check :) |
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| 22:56.53 | tremon | pupil: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#ia32libs |
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| 22:57.14 | edju | abrotman, What do you mean "use" the netinst? |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | edju: you just need to cop ythe ISO to the usb stick correctly, read the instructions |
| 22:58.07 | tremon | x2b: weird. It should do that on boot, your crypttab doesn't differ from mine (except that I do have / encrypted) |
| 22:59.33 | dokma | is there any way to find out which syslog did I have installed before I switched to wheezy? |
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| 23:00.14 | abrotman | dokma: packages.debian.org? |
| 23:00.18 | abrotman | your dpkg.log? |
| 23:01.12 | dokma | abrotman, that's the prob... I can't find mention of syslog in dpkg.log or aptitude.log |
| 23:01.28 | x2b | tremon: Do you know where I can find the initscript that launches cryptsetup? |
| 23:01.57 | rantic_ | Has anyone here installed Steam on Debian wheezy yet? |
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| 23:02.31 | zykotick9 | !tell rantic_ about steam |
| 23:02.54 | rantic_ | zykotick9: Hrm that doesn't quite help |
| 23:03.29 | rantic_ | I'm looking for anyone using drivers higher than the 304.88 found in the main repository using steam |
| 23:03.30 | zykotick9 | rantic_: perhaps my intent was simply "don't ask here" ;) |
| 23:03.35 | dokma | abrotman, can't figure it out. which one would you recommend |
| 23:03.50 | tremon | x2b: /etc/init.d/cryptdisks |
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| 23:04.38 | dokma | abrotman, pardon that.... I have this: syslogd 1.5.0 |
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| 23:04.48 | dokma | can you figure it out by the version?? |
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| 23:06.31 | tremon | ,v sysklogd |
| 23:06.31 | x2b | ok, I reinstalled cryptsetup. That seems to have done the trick. Thanks :) |
| 23:06.32 | judd | Package: sysklogd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.5-6; sid: 1.5-6.2 |
| 23:07.37 | tremon | x2b: ah, the init script was missing? or disabled? |
| 23:07.39 | ponyofdeath | http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ub72w/ |
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| 23:08.24 | x2b | it was missing... Not sure why |
| 23:08.38 | tremon | dokma: it appears sysklogd was dropped from wheezy, but it should not have been uninstalled unless it conflicted (which might be why it was dropped) |
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| 23:09.09 | dokma | hmmm... yes I think sysklogd was the one |
| 23:09.17 | dokma | I installed rsyslogd |
| 23:09.27 | dokma | rsyslog that is... |
| 23:09.30 | dokma | logging now works |
| 23:09.36 | dokma | so now back to my original problem |
| 23:09.39 | tremon | good |
| 23:09.52 | dokma | wicd can't connect after boot until I restart dbus and wicd |
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| 23:10.15 | dokma | I'll go and reboot now and see if anything ends up in syslog |
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| 23:10.40 | FaTony | hi, I was trying to uninstall GNOME3 and marked most of the packages containing the word "gnome" for complete removal and now I can't resolve DNS, how can I fix it? |
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| 23:11.12 | abrotman | FaTony: you'll have to alter your resolv.conf .. n-m was doing that for you |
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| 23:11.35 | pupil | hi, i'm back :) |
| 23:11.47 | pupil | i've done # dpkg --add-architecture i386 and # apt-get update |
| 23:11.58 | pupil | now what should i do? |
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| 23:12.16 | pupil | i still can't install multiarch or ia32-libs |
| 23:12.21 | abrotman | did you read the wiki page? |
| 23:12.36 | pupil | yes |
| 23:12.50 | abrotman | then you should know what's next? |
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| 23:17.15 | pupil | abrotman: i still don't understand :( |
| 23:17.35 | FaTony | abrotman, how should I alter it? |
| 23:17.40 | tremon | pupil: multiarch isn't a package. If you've enabled it with the dpkg command above, you should be able to install ia32-libs. If not, paste the complete command and apt-get output |
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| 23:18.53 | abrotman | tremon: do you have any clue what you're talking about? |
| 23:19.09 | abrotman | at all? |
| 23:19.40 | pupil | tremon: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 |
| 23:19.41 | pupil | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 23:19.47 | tremon | I'd love to be corrected. As a general rule, I test all commands I give as advice. |
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| 23:20.28 | abrotman | pupil: try reading the wiki page again .. don't listen to tremon |
| 23:20.39 | tremon | abrotman: so, either factually correct me or stop insulting me |
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| 23:20.51 | abrotman | tremon: you can go read the wiki page too |
| 23:21.48 | tremon | abrotman: "the wiki page" is only fluff and deep links. please be specific |
| 23:22.22 | pupil | abrotman: please, be more simple |
| 23:22.24 | zykotick9 | Having troubles getting multiarch working? install wine64-bin - it doesn't actually install wine, just gives instructions for multiarch. |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | tremon: i was, go read the wiki page |
| 23:23.04 | pupil | zykotick9: i also have trouble in installing wine 32bit in 64bit env |
| 23:23.19 | zykotick9 | pupil: so "read" ;) |
| 23:24.23 | zykotick9 | pupil: there is no wine 64bit, it's just multiarch instructions (like the wiki). |
| 23:24.26 | tremon | abrotman: you haven't even been specific on where I'm going wrong, nor which is "the wiki page" you're referring to |
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| 23:24.48 | tremon | but don't bother, I'm done |
| 23:24.58 | pupil | zykotick9: sudo apt-get install wine64-bin |
| 23:24.58 | pupil | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:24.59 | pupil | Building dependency tree |
| 23:24.59 | pupil | Reading state information... Done |
| 23:24.59 | pupil | wine64-bin is already the newest version. |
| 23:24.59 | pupil | wine64-bin set to manually installed. |
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| 23:25.15 | abrotman | tremon: thank goodness .. took long enough |
| 23:25.32 | ctmjr | FaTony: If you do not know what to put in resolv.conf, then install wicd or another network tool to do it for you. otherwise you have to configure your network manually |
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| 23:26.09 | pupil | i forgot about the paste rules |
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| 23:26.25 | tremon | abrotman: it only takes such a long time because you fail to back up your insinuations which specifics |
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| 23:28.30 | FaTony | ctmjr, I'd love to install anything that was taking care of the DNS but I can't because Synaptic can't resolve package download URL |
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| 23:29.23 | zykotick9 | FaTony: just a sidenote for next time, using netinst then adding what you want is A LOT easier then removing gnome3... |
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| 23:33.42 | ssaul | Hi all y'all! Is there any free linux/unix/debian book out there worth reading? Looking to get a fundamental understanding on linux based OSs. |
| 23:33.57 | owa | yes, ill link you one |
| 23:34.19 | owa | http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 23:34.59 | zykotick9 | ssaul: if you use wheezy, debian-handbook is also a package with a txt copy of the book. but the pdf is probably nicer in most cases. |
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| 23:36.42 | ssaul | owa, looks good, thx! |
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| 23:37.59 | ssaul | zykotick9, k.. thx |
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| 23:59.07 | anoob | I'm running sid but i can't compile vbox module ... http://pastebin.com/ZwQTwvqT |
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| 23:59.46 | anoob | log file: http://pastebin.com/wBq09U2W |
