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| 00:09.55 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 00:24.40 | dokma | I've added GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=795" and it sets console to 1280x1024 until drm starts loading and then console switches to something higher and I can't figure out why that happens |
| 00:24.58 | dokma | I'd like to have console at 1280 as my desktop is at that same resolution |
| 00:25.19 | dokma | any idea what could be upping the resolution from 1280 at the moment the kernel is starting drm ?? |
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| 00:28.13 | loaden | :-S |
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| 00:39.58 | loaden | hi, guys, I'm using empathy+irc after `sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends empathy telepathy-idle` |
| 00:40.47 | loaden | But it seems ugly, and can't Integrate with GNOME3's usermenu. |
| 00:41.03 | loaden | am I missing something? |
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| 00:42.00 | abrotman | why without recommends? |
| 00:42.04 | loaden | By the way, I am not the full desktop user. I'm install the tiny gnome-shell. |
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| 00:43.44 | Jqvilanova | Congrats to debian for 7.0 release, it looks good! How is the xfce version compsred to lxde one? |
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| 00:44.53 | abrotman | seems like a Try It And See sort of thing? |
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| 00:45.46 | samruger | what kernel version does jessie have? |
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| 00:48.05 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 00:48.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-1-686-pae (3.8.11-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | since jessie is a whole .. five days old at this point .. |
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| 00:50.49 | Terminus | the big jumps in kernel version numbers are freaking me out. i've gotten so used to 2.6 forever. |
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| 00:52.00 | abrotman | remember, it's just a number |
| 00:52.26 | Terminus | yeah, just feels strange. |
| 00:53.25 | samruger | is there a way i can tell if im running jessie or wheezy besides my sources.list file? |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | samruger: currently, not really |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | some packages have changed, not many |
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| 00:59.35 | iLogic | hey guys, i'm trying to run firefox on debian wheezy 64 bits but it's returning this error: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | so use iceweasel |
| 01:00.16 | iLogic | but I want firefox |
| 01:00.36 | samruger | thanks |
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| 01:01.27 | loaden | iLogic: Chromium is great! |
| 01:01.48 | iLogic | so nobody can help? |
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| 01:03.05 | loaden | iLogic: build by yourself. |
| 01:05.19 | wizzy_ | Which packages would be needed to install the nvidia drivers from the experimental repository? I can't find this information in one place on the internet :( |
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| 01:07.03 | loaden | hi,guys! do you know how to restore empathy application window? I'm closed the empathy application windows, and now it's gone. but it should still alive. `pgrep empathy` can tell me the pid. |
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| 01:07.39 | twinkie_addict | wheezy amd64 bit is working fine on my intel 64 bit laptop thow im running it pure cli mode |
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| 01:10.11 | ctmjr | wizzy_: are you running experimental |
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| 01:10.42 | wizzy_ | ctmjr: I'm not sure what you mean, I've added the experimental repositories to my sources list? |
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| 01:11.26 | loaden | I'd say it's so hard to use to empathy + irc-plugin. |
| 01:12.07 | ctmjr | wizzy_: is everything in your sources list pointing to experimental? |
| 01:12.27 | iLogic | nevermind, problem solved |
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| 01:16.11 | paxcoder | iLogic, it's customary to say how you've solved a problem, even if it is your own |
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| 01:19.33 | ctmjr | wizzy_: and are you sure that's what you want |
| 01:19.54 | wizzy_ | ctmjr: Sorry I was trying something. Yes I'm positive. |
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| 01:20.36 | wizzy_ | ctmjr: The default 304.88 available in the repositories is much too slow, anything above 310 (313 happens to be in the experimental repositories) will work perfectly |
| 01:20.48 | wizzy_ | ctmjr: I can't seem to find out with google what packages to install though |
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| 01:22.06 | Rvnikauj | closedmdrivers (privative) are only needed in case of hardcore gaming or 3D rendereing |
| 01:22.26 | Rvnikauj | noveau is just fine |
| 01:22.48 | wizzy_ | Rvnikauj: I'm planning on some light gaming which was drastically improved from 304 to 310 |
| 01:23.07 | wizzy_ | but aside from that I can't watch a 720p video on the nouveu drivers without noticeable slowness |
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| 01:24.01 | paxcoder | wizzy_, what i do is set my res lower |
| 01:24.08 | ctmjr | wizzy_: If it was me I would install the driver from nvidia's site before I used experimental but thats me |
| 01:24.32 | wizzy_ | paxcoder: eh ... I feel like that defeats the point of purchasing a dedicated graphics card and hd monitor |
| 01:24.36 | Rvnikauj | wizzy_: noveau verion is old in debian, you could try to enable libvdpau |
| 01:24.48 | Rvnikauj | which is used by mplayer |
| 01:25.38 | Rvnikauj | wizzy_: for linux and in the future just stick to intel is a nice choice |
| 01:26.03 | wizzy_ | Rvnikauj: I have an i5 :p |
| 01:26.38 | paxcoder | wizzy_, kinda feels like that to me too, we can only blame AMD |
| 01:26.47 | paxcoder | well you can blame nvidia :-P |
| 01:27.02 | stojic | wizzy_: Another option is to use apt pinning. This way you can run stable and use only certain packages from other releases (in your case NVIDIA packages from experimental). |
| 01:27.08 | Rvnikauj | wizzy_: if it ismivy bridge and hd4000 graphicsmit might do very fine in hd 1080p through vaapi in mplayer, also in cou mode it wouldmdo perfect |
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| 01:28.25 | paxcoder | Rvnikauj, 'm' != ' ' |
| 01:28.45 | paxcoder | wizzy_, if you change your mind: http://ideone.com/8RNKaG |
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| 01:29.26 | wizzy_ | paxcoder: I might ... I have about 13 hours of experience running a linux based operating system .. so I was hoping to do this in the easiest way possible |
| 01:29.46 | ndowens04 | hmm my package dwb, I updated and it uses update alternatives . I have tried to dpkg -i the newer version to try it out and it complains about update-alternatives exit status 2 |
| 01:30.10 | Rvnikauj | paxcoder: sorry i writed too fast... |
| 01:30.14 | paxcoder | wizzy_, this is going back: xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode "WIDTHxHEIGHT", where WIDTH and HEIGHT are numbers |
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| 01:31.15 | paxcoder | wizzy_, i put each in own script, and added them to my launcher, so i switch between easily |
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| 01:32.23 | Rvnikauj | paxcoder: you couldmadd to your .xinitrc? |
| 01:32.53 | Rvnikauj | Rvnikauj: damn m's lol |
| 01:32.54 | paxcoder | Rvnikauj, if i wanted to switch automatically, I guess I could |
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| 01:35.17 | paxcoder | wizzy_, lxrandr is a (less powerful) GUI for xrandr. If your monitor reports supported resolutions accurately, you could use that for changing them |
| 01:35.36 | wizzy_ | hm |
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| 02:15.39 | weezy | Does anyone know what packages I need to install the binary nvidia drivers from the experimental repos? |
| 02:16.45 | Rvnikauj | weezy: debian wiki, or packages search |
| 02:17.09 | weezy | Rvnikauj: this doesn't help: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 02:18.13 | weezy | Rvnikauj: I have tried searching for packages as well .. but coming from a newbie background and seeing 20+ nvidia packages all seemingly doing the same thing -- it's hard to isolate what I need or want |
| 02:18.29 | weezy | I'm currently trying to find something on the forums |
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| 02:19.37 | gawen | weezy: which architecture do you use ? |
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| 02:20.46 | weezy | gawen: amd_64 |
| 02:21.01 | gawen | weezy: try nvidia-kernel-amd64 |
| 02:21.27 | weezy | gawen: I don't know why it seems so complicated ... I can usually find whatever I need or want through google. I just want a later version of the nvidia drivers than what it's in the default repositories |
| 02:21.40 | weezy | gawen: and something that doesn't break/stop working with a kernel upgrade |
| 02:21.53 | Arrowmaster | weezy: you need to install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 02:22.01 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell weezy about nvidia dkms |
| 02:23.30 | weezy | Arrowmaster: Is that comand not pulling the nvidia-kernel-dkms package from default repos? |
| 02:23.51 | weezy | Arrowmaster: Would I be safe to alter it to aptitude install -t experimental? |
| 02:23.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah do that |
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| 02:25.11 | cakepie | hello. |
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| 02:25.28 | cakepie | i kinda ran apt-get remove libssl* |
| 02:25.35 | cakepie | and now I can't install it back |
| 02:25.44 | cakepie | because libssl and libcrypto were bugged |
| 02:25.49 | cakepie | is there anything I can do ? |
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| 02:26.30 | gawen | what's the problem when you try to reinstall it ? |
| 02:26.56 | cakepie | give me a second |
| 02:27.04 | cakepie | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:27.04 | cakepie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.04 | cakepie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:27.22 | gawen | cakepie: use pastebin |
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| 02:27.29 | weezy | Arrowmaster: This seems quite harmfu lto my system :o |
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| 02:28.01 | cakepie | Errors were encountered while processing: python-openssl-dbg python-openssl libcryptui-dev libgconf2-dev gconf2 |
| 02:28.08 | cakepie | dpkg returned an error |
| 02:28.08 | dpkg | cakepie: i haven't a clue |
| 02:28.22 | cakepie | dpkg: error processing python-openssl (--configure): |
| 02:28.23 | cakepie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.23 | dpkg | cakepie: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 02:28.23 | cakepie | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-openssl-dbg: |
| 02:28.26 | weezy | Arrowmaster: http://pastebin.com/MDW7kZdT it wants to remove a bunch of (what I think are important packages .. including my desktop environment and login manager) |
| 02:28.26 | Arrowmaster | then do it from inside aptitude so you can correct what it wants to do |
| 02:28.30 | rwp | cakepie, What track are you running? squeeze, wheezy, jessie or sid? |
| 02:28.54 | cakepie | i have no idea what those are rwp |
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| 02:29.21 | Arrowmaster | weezy: seems you need to upgrade some other packages first |
| 02:29.47 | weezy | hm |
| 02:29.51 | rwp | cakepie, cat /etc/apt/sources.list and look to see what name is listed there. |
| 02:29.57 | weezy | brb |
| 02:30.00 | rwp | cakepie, or pastebin the entire file for us |
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| 02:30.10 | cakepie | ok |
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| 02:31.49 | cakepie | http://pastebin.com/ynhPWax4 |
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| 02:51.47 | rwp | cakepie, You are running squeeze 6.0.7. |
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| 02:52.21 | rwp | cakepie, Try this: apt-get install -f |
| 02:52.23 | cakepie | alright |
| 02:53.09 | cakepie | same error |
| 02:53.18 | rwp | But I think that will fail. I just battled a python problem last week. The python scripts are not good enough. |
| 02:53.33 | rwp | Try this: apt-get install libssl0.9.8 |
| 02:54.14 | rwp | I think the python errors are an undiagnosed and unreported python bug. |
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| 02:56.57 | rwp | cakepie, Any luck? Sorry for the delay in getting back. And sorry I am needing to drop out again. |
| 02:57.24 | cakepie | nah |
| 02:57.26 | cakepie | no luck |
| 02:57.27 | cakepie | but forget it |
| 02:57.28 | cakepie | :P |
| 02:57.30 | cakepie | doesn't matter |
| 02:58.14 | rwp | I battled a similar python problem last week and it was a pain. If you can remove or purge the python packages to get to a good state then reinstall them you will be okay. |
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| 02:59.01 | rwp | I think the python scripts have undeclared dependencies in the postinst scripts. That is why they have created this catch-22 dependency cycle. |
| 02:59.32 | rwp | If you can remove the layers to get to a happy place then you can re-install them and it will be okay. |
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| 03:00.23 | rwp | But libssl0.9.8 should install okay even with those errors. That should fix those errors. |
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| 03:00.30 | rwp | Anyway. That is it for me. Good luck! |
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| 03:01.16 | gawen | cakepie: did you try to install libopenssl with dpkg -i ? |
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| 03:04.06 | cakepie | how do i do that?:P |
| 03:04.09 | cakepie | i'm a noob |
| 03:05.01 | gawen | cakepie: first you should search and download the package from http://package.debian.org |
| 03:06.00 | gawen | sry, http://packages.debian.org |
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| 03:08.02 | fishxxx | anyone have any experience getting gmote to work with debian it'll start then i'll try to move the mouse on the client side (my phone) and it'll disconnect any one got a soloution? |
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| 03:12.03 | fishxxx | anyone have any experience getting gmote to work with debian it'll start then i'll try to move the mouse on the client side (my phone) and it'll disconnect any one got a soloution? |
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| 03:13.11 | fishxxx | is there an irc channel for gmote that might be more helpful? |
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| 03:15.54 | gawen | fishxxx: perhaps you may try #linux, #android |
| 03:17.23 | fishxxx | gawen: i thank you for responding i will attempt to continue googling this its defenitively server sided issues i'm sure |
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| 03:21.14 | gawen | fishxxx: isn't there a verbose mode on the server side? |
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| 03:22.59 | fishxxx | gawen: yeah in a sense to do that you open it from a terminal. its a sh script that uses java to start a server sided frame then phone connects to it and act like a touchpad/keyboard. |
| 03:24.13 | gawen | i'd try a wireshark to see who is killing the session (client or server) |
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| 03:26.46 | fishxxx | gawen: its server, some warning about mouse move request from an ip not connected to it but the ip matches perfectly to my phone it uses port tcp8889 udp9901 |
| 03:28.35 | gawen | what's the warning exactly ? |
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| 03:29.04 | debdeb | hi |
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| 03:31.32 | fishxxx | gawen: WARNING: Received a mouse move request from an ip who is not connected to us: packetIp=/192.168.10.233 tcpConnectionIp=null. Ignoring the packet. |
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| 03:32.45 | debdeb | i have a live-cd in qemu running... for that i installed bridge-utils and made a bridge... in qemu all works fine... if i stop the firewall on the host. if i start the firewall i get such errors when i ping a host outside: May 9 05:19:01 hostname kernel: [ 2963.382878] Unknown ForwardIN=br0 OUT=br0 PHYSIN=tap0 PHYSOUT=eth1 MAC=00:04:0e:55:39:bb:52:54:00:bb:34:56:bb:00 SRC=192.168.0.124 DST=192.168.0.1 LEN=58 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=49723 DF P |
| 03:33.09 | gawen | fishxxx: can you see if the tcp connection is actually established ? |
| 03:33.24 | fishxxx | gawen: how? |
| 03:33.47 | debdeb | err... they are not errors... just information from my firewall in /var/log/messages |
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| 03:35.10 | debdeb | now... is there an easy way to let all to/from 192.168.0.124 (which is the guest) trough the firewall on the host (which is 192.168.0.104) |
| 03:35.22 | gawen | fishxxx: netstat -tunp |
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| 03:36.25 | gawen | debdeb: what are your iptables rules ? |
| 03:36.37 | debdeb | gawen: all? |
| 03:36.48 | fishxxx | gawen: nope nothing in there for my phone hmm :/ |
| 03:37.22 | gawen | fishxxx: perhaps that warning message is about an udp datagram |
| 03:37.27 | debdeb | i have very restrictive rules on the host. just let whitelistet to/from |
| 03:37.58 | fishxxx | gawen: interesting then |
| 03:38.13 | gawen | fishxxx: nah it make sense, the protocol probably use a tcp connection for control and udp datagrams for event |
| 03:38.23 | debdeb | but as i remember iptables it is possible with a few rules to let all to/from an ip through. i just need them |
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| 03:39.01 | fishxxx | gawen: hmm soem googling revealed a possible soloution for running it on a 64-bit machine. |
| 03:39.01 | gawen | fishxxx: for some reason it didn't managed to connect with tcp but sent events anyway |
| 03:40.13 | fishxxx | gawen does iptables close port 8889 tcp by default? |
| 03:40.38 | debdeb | hmmm... or maybe its enough to let all through to/from the interface like its done with lo/loopback? |
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| 03:40.45 | gawen | fishxxx: by default iptables allows everything |
| 03:41.17 | fishxxx | gawen: dang throw that theroy well linux is rarely ever simple. |
| 03:41.44 | debdeb | like this: $IPT -A INPUT -i lo -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 03:42.02 | debdeb | just for tap0 |
| 03:42.56 | gawen | debdeb: what about iptables -A FORWARD -i tap0 -o eth1 -s 192.168.0.124 -d 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 03:43.14 | gawen | debdeb: sry, iptables -A FORWARD -i tap0 -o eth1 -s 192.168.0.124 -d 192.168.0.1 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:43.15 | debdeb | -d 0/0 is ok |
| 03:43.40 | debdeb | i try |
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| 03:44.45 | gawen | debdeb: generally we accept everything on lo with iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT; iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT |
| 03:45.35 | debdeb | gawen: same result with: iptables -A FORWARD -i tap0 -o eth1 -s 192.168.0.124 -d 192.168.0.1 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:46.05 | gawen | debdeb: you mean it doesn't go through ? |
| 03:46.28 | debdeb | gawen: yes |
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| 03:48.32 | leku | I'm having problems running certain programs as normal users..when I try to run 'gdb' as a normal user, it segfaults., As root, it starts up fine? |
| 03:48.46 | debdeb | gawen: and the same with: iptables -A FORWARD -i tap0 -o eth1 -s 192.168.0.124 -d 0/0 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:49.17 | debdeb | i go through it step for step now eith less restrictions ^^ |
| 03:49.23 | debdeb | with |
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| 03:49.57 | gawen | debdeb: you should check if there aren't any preceding rules that will drop the packet first |
| 03:50.23 | debdeb | hmm... cat i give a priority? |
| 03:50.27 | debdeb | acnt |
| 03:50.30 | debdeb | cant :-) |
| 03:50.50 | leku | I'm thinking gdb is crashing due to my $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 03:51.04 | leku | including some libraries for i386, when it is buiilt for something else |
| 03:51.05 | debdeb | as i remember it is dropped unless there is a rule, which allows |
| 03:51.38 | leku | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.01 | leku | yep that is totally f'ing up my system |
| 03:52.02 | gawen | leku: it should make the difference, try unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH and see if it start correctly |
| 03:52.05 | leku | multiarch |
| 03:52.11 | leku | duh |
| 03:52.25 | leku | I had to do all this crazy crap to get Steam to install |
| 03:52.36 | leku | glad I figured it out |
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| 03:53.11 | gawen | leku: you mean the extra libraries from ubuntu and so on ? steam doesn't need that anymore on debian |
| 03:53.33 | leku | hrm I dont even know what all I put on here anymore |
| 03:53.37 | leku | it was 4AM |
| 03:53.57 | debdeb | hmmm... no win with: iptables -A FORWARD -i tap0 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:53.59 | leku | you have anymore infos? |
| 03:54.23 | gawen | debdeb: iptables rules are executed serialy, you should try inserting the rule instead |
| 03:54.27 | debdeb | so i dont think its FORWARD allone |
| 03:55.08 | gawen | debdeb: try iptables -I FORWARD 1 -i tap0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:55.09 | leku | http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/gamer-rewrites-valves-steam-installer-for-debian/ |
| 03:55.11 | leku | is that it? |
| 03:55.42 | debdeb | iptables -A OUTPUT -i tap0 -j ACCEPT ... Can't use -i with OUTPUT |
| 03:55.44 | debdeb | argh |
| 03:56.11 | gawen | leku: I installed steam on wheezy amd64 and it worked like a charm |
| 03:56.13 | debdeb | ahhh... -o *facepalm* |
| 03:56.17 | b0ngy | lel |
| 03:56.19 | b0ngy | so boring |
| 03:56.20 | leku | you did eh |
| 03:56.27 | leku | what process did you use? |
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| 03:56.34 | leku | I followed some convoluted guide |
| 03:56.42 | b0ngy | FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! |
| 03:56.43 | gawen | leku: dpkg -i steam.deb... |
| 03:56.45 | b0ngy | FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! |
| 03:56.49 | b0ngy | FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! FUCK YOU NIGGER! |
| 03:56.51 | leku | some games have worked I think, like |
| 03:56.51 | leku | woah |
| 03:57.01 | leku | TF2 i think onlyone |
| 03:57.11 | leku | b0ngy pls dont spam |
| 03:57.14 | b0ngy | sorry |
| 03:57.16 | leku | werd |
| 03:57.20 | b0ngy | i'm stopping |
| 03:57.23 | tonytraductor | I'm upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, right now, but grub on my box is on another hdd (with fedora18), will I have to upgrade grub on that hdd before I can boot back to debian? (debian is my preferred distro, but installed the fedora after, so it has the grub) |
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| 03:57.27 | Rusty1 | !ops b0ngy |
| 03:57.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rusty1 complains about: b0ngy |
| 03:57.52 | tonytraductor | me, too. somebody needs kicked out of here. |
| 03:57.59 | b0ngy | Rusty1 = snitch |
| 03:58.04 | leku | lol |
| 03:58.12 | leku | sn1tchez g3t st1tchez |
| 03:58.48 | tonytraductor | is this the #debian channel? or did I stumble into a room full of adolescent morons? |
| 03:59.14 | b0ngy | tonytraductor: the grumpy old far IRC is that way ----> |
| 03:59.17 | b0ngy | fart* |
| 03:59.28 | leku | bye tony |
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| 04:00.12 | debdeb | to let INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT... all through... ist not working this way... really, that i cant give a priority to the rule without inserting it in front? |
| 04:00.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@2001 4801:7817:72:f76b:edc7:ff10:b9c0] by mentor |
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| 04:00.14 | fishxxx_ | please keep the irc discussion on topic for other topics please use #off-topic thank you and have a nice day |
| 04:00.17 | tonytraductor | YEAH!! |
| 04:00.18 | nry | !ops b0ngy |
| 04:00.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nry complains about: b0ngy |
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| 04:00.29 | nry | ohp, you got him |
| 04:00.47 | debdeb | gawen: oh wait... you wrote: FORWARD 1 ... is that a priority? |
| 04:00.56 | mentor | Also, there was a call already |
| 04:01.08 | nry | ah, I didn't see it |
| 04:01.17 | gawen | debdeb: it mean inserting the rule in position 1 |
| 04:01.21 | tonytraductor | ok, so back to my question...Am I going to have to update grub in the fedora hdd before I can boot wheezy?, or maybe, since I can mount that hdd, I could edit the kernel list there? |
| 04:01.26 | mentor | debdeb: Rules are processed in order |
| 04:03.46 | debdeb | gawen: yea... but the (otherwise) working firewall-script is so complicated... |
| 04:04.57 | debdeb | its made through firewalker... if i do things in it manually... does the GUI still work? |
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| 04:05.29 | debdeb | the other thing is: i dont want it to be permanant |
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| 04:08.57 | tonytraductor | this box is a dualboot, 2hdd, 1=fedora18, 2=debian, currently upgrading from squeeze to wheezy (debian is my distro, just I installed fedora after, because may go to work in an RH/CentOS shop, and had a spare hdd). |
| 04:09.37 | tonytraductor | so grub is on the fedora hdd, I'm wondering if I need to boot that fedora, and do something to update grub before I'll be ble to boot back to the debian hdd after this upgrade. |
| 04:10.15 | tonytraductor | been so long since I had a dualboot, because, for me, Debian has been all I needed for a long time, that I'm a bit rusty on that, |
| 04:10.57 | mumpitze1 | depends how your booting is set up. if fedora grub loads the debian kernel directly, then yes |
| 04:11.02 | Terminus | tonytraductor: you could just not install debian's grub to the MBR then go into fedora and add debian to the list. |
| 04:11.38 | mumpitze1 | if fedora grub chainloads debian grub, then no |
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| 04:11.59 | tonytraductor | yeah, well squeeze is already in the fedora grub list, but I'm assuming I'm getting a new kernel with this upgrade. |
| 04:12.20 | tonytraductor | I think I will have to boot the fedora and run grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg |
| 04:12.48 | gawen | if you use debian you could also install grub from there and update-grub2 |
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| 04:13.18 | tonytraductor | the bios goes to the first hdd which has fedora |
| 04:13.23 | leku | feck |
| 04:13.34 | leku | can't get these games to play under debian still |
| 04:13.36 | tonytraductor | grub IS installed on the debian disk, but the bios always goes to the other disk first. |
| 04:13.37 | leku | steam is working allright |
| 04:13.50 | leku | tf2 loads fine |
| 04:13.54 | tonytraductor | I suppose I could reverse their order. I didn't seem to be able to get the bios to do that, but switching cables would do it. |
| 04:14.02 | leku | wargame: european escalation crashes with a huge core dump |
| 04:14.04 | tonytraductor | Then I'd have to add fedora to the debian grub list |
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| 04:14.47 | tonytraductor | honestly, I've hardly booted the fedora disk since installing it. when I really want to play with fedora or centos, I've been running them in virtualbox. |
| 04:14.54 | tonytraductor | I just had a spare hdd around so did that. |
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| 04:15.16 | tonytraductor | I mount that disk and rsync my home over there for backups every morning. Well, cron does it for me |
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| 04:16.06 | tonytraductor | has anyone updated a servery from squeeze->wheezy that uses mariadb here? |
| 04:16.16 | Rvnikauj | tonytraductor: install debian on top it will auto update the grub |
| 04:16.43 | tonytraductor | I'm not installing debian. It's been on this machine since I first put it together, back when Lenny was stable. |
| 04:16.44 | gawen | tonytraductor: I think you may ask the debian's grub package to install itself on the first hdd |
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| 04:17.06 | tonytraductor | I'm just upgrading. but assuming the change in kernel will break the grub list on the fedora hdd that has grub that boots the machine |
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| 04:17.51 | tonytraductor | how would I do that, since there's already grub in this hdd (but the bios always goes to the other)> |
| 04:17.53 | socomm | Can someone recommend me a note taking software for linux? |
| 04:17.55 | tonytraductor | ? |
| 04:18.01 | tonytraductor | vim |
| 04:18.05 | tonytraductor | great for taking notes |
| 04:18.10 | gawen | socomm: gnote |
| 04:18.32 | socomm | I'm currently using gedit+bunch of text files |
| 04:18.33 | gawen | yea vim too |
| 04:18.51 | socomm | Yeah vim, but I want something to manage my notes with |
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| 04:19.09 | gawen | socomm: do you want 'post-it' like notes or just text files ? |
| 04:19.21 | tonytraductor | vim, grep, sed, less, awk... |
| 04:19.35 | gawen | tonytraductor: the idea would be to overwrite fedora's grub |
| 04:19.41 | socomm | gawen: not post-it |
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| 04:20.26 | tonytraductor | gawen: yeah, that makes sense, but not sure how to make that happen. I was assuming that when grub gets updated during this upgrade, it's just going to update in-place on this second hdd. |
| 04:21.02 | gawen | tonytraductor: probably, but you can still 'grub-install /dev/hda' |
| 04:21.10 | Rvnikauj | tonytraductor: no matter just override, it will work, grub auto update itself |
| 04:21.11 | socomm | gawen: gnote may work, thanks for the suggestion |
| 04:21.37 | gawen | yw |
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| 04:22.43 | gawen | tonytraductor: note that if the upgrade doesn't remove the old kernels you are safe anyway |
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| 04:24.26 | debdeb_ | meeh... this cant be sooo difficult... i tried to insert this at the beginning and at the end of the firewall-rules: iptables -A INPUT -i tap0 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A OUTPUT -o tap0 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A FORWARD -i tap0 -j ACCEPT |
| 04:24.30 | debdeb_ | i still get: hostname kernel: [ ] Unknown ForwardIN=br0 OUT=br0 PHYSIN=tap0 PHYSOUT=eth1 MAC=00:04:0e:55:39:bb:52:54:00:bb:34:56:bb:00 SRC=192.168.0.124 DST=192.168.0.1 LEN=58 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=49723 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=58438 DPT=53 LEN=38 |
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| 04:25.50 | debdeb_ | may it be the wrong interface? |
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| 04:26.26 | debdeb_ | but br0 is now my normal outside interface which got his ip from dhcp |
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| 04:28.11 | debdeb_ | argh... but it works with: iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 04:32.14 | Rvnikauj | gawen: as long as he dont autoclean the kenel would be there |
| 04:32.58 | debdeb_ | and btw: it is enough to do a "iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -j ACCEPT" in a konsole... i dont have to insert it in any script |
| 04:33.07 | debdeb_ | as i said, it should be |
| 04:33.34 | tonytraductor | ah yeah, if the old kernel isn't removed, grub can still boot it. |
| 04:33.42 | gawen | debdeb_: it should stay there until you flush the table or reboot |
| 04:34.07 | debdeb_ | gawen: pardon? |
| 04:34.28 | debdeb_ | i dont want it permanent. as said |
| 04:34.55 | gawen | debdeb_: it will be removed on reboot |
| 04:35.11 | debdeb_ | yes... and this is how i want it at the moment |
| 04:35.47 | debdeb_ | oh.. its enough to restart the firewall-script to get rid of it... no need to reboot |
| 04:36.19 | gawen | debdeb_: that's because restarting your firewall will flush all iptables rules |
| 04:36.19 | debdeb_ | there are flush-rules in it |
| 04:36.28 | debdeb_ | right |
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| 04:37.38 | boozer | Hi.. Does Debian Unstable ever go into an official freeze period at any time? |
| 04:38.02 | debdeb_ | boozer: unstable is unstable |
| 04:38.21 | debdeb_ | isnt unstable = sid? |
| 04:38.27 | boozer | correct |
| 04:38.32 | debdeb_ | then no |
| 04:38.50 | boozer | I didn't think so.. just wanted confirmation |
| 04:38.52 | boozer | thanks |
| 04:39.28 | debdeb_ | as i know testing goes into something like a freeze before a release... but my info may be false |
| 04:40.19 | i3luefire | for a home server with major lvm /home pool for file storage is debian a good choice? |
| 04:40.42 | debdeb_ | it depends |
| 04:41.40 | gawen | sid is an neverending update feast |
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| 04:42.04 | debdeb | i would use it as a home server (err i do it)... but i am not you |
| 04:42.25 | debdeb | stable should be stable enough for a file-server |
| 04:42.28 | i3luefire | why do you use it? |
| 04:42.40 | debdeb | its stable ;-) |
| 04:42.56 | i3luefire | what is your servers primary function |
| 04:43.02 | debdeb | and i dont want big updates every half year like ubuntu |
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| 04:43.43 | debdeb | file, tv, music, calendar... such things. it does it all |
| 04:44.03 | i3luefire | o. thats why i have been using the LTS ubuntu server. but i am upgrading my hw and am weighing my options |
| 04:44.13 | debdeb | oh... and its a K6-2-300 with 128MB ram ^^ |
| 04:45.40 | gawen | i3luefire: i had a homeserver with debian and lvm several years ago and it was cool |
| 04:45.52 | i3luefire | only thing i worry about is debian not having to packages i need for the other things i want it to do. but i guess ubuntu had some problems with that too |
| 04:46.06 | gawen | what kind of packages ? |
| 04:46.09 | i3luefire | headless? |
| 04:46.19 | i3luefire | webmin for management |
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| 04:46.26 | i3luefire | ssh for ssh |
| 04:46.34 | i3luefire | rtorrent |
| 04:46.40 | gawen | there shouldn't be any problem with ssh ;) |
| 04:46.43 | i3luefire | samba |
| 04:47.31 | i3luefire | mosh maybe? |
| 04:47.52 | gawen | samba, rtorrent are in the repos |
| 04:48.11 | i3luefire | znc and webmin? |
| 04:48.13 | gawen | what did you mean 'headless'? |
| 04:48.19 | debdeb | oh mosh... inst that the ssh-tool for interrupted connections? |
| 04:48.22 | i3luefire | no monitor |
| 04:48.45 | i3luefire | yes. i have wanted to try mosh for a while |
| 04:48.56 | gawen | I don't use any monitor, actually my home server now is a customized RPi |
| 04:49.08 | i3luefire | RPi? |
| 04:49.14 | gawen | you may search your packages there http://packages.debian.org |
| 04:49.18 | gawen | Raspberry Pi |
| 04:49.23 | i3luefire | ah |
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| 04:49.43 | i3luefire | what do you serve with the RPi |
| 04:49.56 | debdeb | does it work with mosh to "ssh -X "GUI-tool""... suspend the host on which the GUI is displayed... restore from suspend... and it resumes the GUI-tool? |
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| 04:50.37 | i3luefire | idk debdeb |
| 04:51.06 | gawen | it serves http, lan gateway (v4/v6), private git repositories, bind, dhcp and so on |
| 04:51.33 | i3luefire | like a router kinda |
| 04:51.43 | i3luefire | router++ |
| 04:51.55 | gawen | indeed |
| 04:51.56 | i3luefire | router++++ |
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| 04:52.30 | gawen | the problem with the Rpi is the sdcard |
| 04:52.46 | i3luefire | i wouldnt think it would be capable of the speed it would need for those things |
| 04:53.20 | debdeb | gawen: why? |
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| 04:53.30 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: mosh doesn't do forwarding |
| 04:53.35 | gawen | debdeb: it's too slow |
| 04:53.51 | debdeb | gawen: class10? |
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| 04:54.30 | apm1 | a raspberry pi ain't worth the sweat |
| 04:54.38 | Prottey | hello, is there anyone responsible for hyphen-xx packages here? |
| 04:54.45 | debdeb | mumpitze1: bad. do you know any workaround for my problem? |
| 04:55.00 | boozer | to kind of piggy back off my last question... how long does it usually take Debian Testing to get its update after a release |
| 04:55.07 | debdeb | mumpitze1: i mean: ssh -X... suspend... resume... and the GUI is still there |
| 04:55.36 | apm1 | boozer, its getting updates now |
| 04:55.46 | boozer | thank you apm1 |
| 04:55.50 | apm1 | jessie was updated twice yesterday |
| 04:56.05 | debdeb | likes the name "jessie" |
| 04:56.11 | apm1 | boozer, but imho you shouldn't run it |
| 04:56.21 | boozer | so during the Wheezy freeze period.. did Unstable slow down on updates to its packages? |
| 04:56.22 | apm1 | its buggier than sid currently |
| 04:56.22 | i3luefire | debdeb, i am just saying i would think that all those functions would eat up too much mem/cpu |
| 04:56.38 | apm1 | boozer, yes and that phenomena is called slush |
| 04:57.04 | boozer | didn't know the term for that apm1, but yeah I noticed it as well |
| 04:57.05 | debdeb | i3luefire: then use more than one RPi ;-) they are sooo cheap ^^ |
| 04:57.07 | i3luefire | http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black |
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| 04:57.21 | debdeb | i3luefire: and use something like openmosix |
| 04:57.31 | gawen | beaglebones are cool too |
| 04:57.56 | gawen | never tried though |
| 04:57.59 | boozer | so right after a release, Unstable "catches up" and then dumps a release to Testing |
| 04:58.35 | boozer | or actually, it dumps a ton of packages into Testing |
| 04:58.52 | i3luefire | that beagleboneblack i linked is what i am considering instead of a pi |
| 04:59.44 | gawen | i3luefire: the rpi stick with armv6 which is not a good option with debian |
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| 05:00.41 | debdeb | how much is a beagleboard now? iirc its about 100 EUR? |
| 05:00.48 | tonytraductor | exit |
| 05:00.54 | i3luefire | the beaglebone has more proc power ram and onboard storage for the os |
| 05:01.12 | debdeb | but less community |
| 05:01.22 | i3luefire | supposed to be $45 +SH |
| 05:01.42 | i3luefire | very good point debdeb |
| 05:01.48 | debdeb | ok. that sounds better |
| 05:02.16 | debdeb | and no magpi.org ;-) |
| 05:02.30 | i3luefire | magpi |
| 05:03.14 | debdeb | err... magpi.com |
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| 05:03.27 | debdeb | err... themagpi.com ^^ |
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| 05:05.17 | i3luefire | http://beagleboard.org/project |
| 05:07.13 | i3luefire | ok. imk going to bed ty for the ideas and help |
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| 05:10.58 | piukeman | Hi !!! I have and issue with pureftpd and virtual users I got " login authentication failure" of course I checked user and password |
| 05:11.35 | piukeman | I create the user with ispconfig and I also check in mysql table that the user exist |
| 05:11.41 | piukeman | any clue or advice ??? |
| 05:12.55 | emss | read the pureftpd documentation? |
| 05:13.00 | emss | :) |
| 05:13.09 | piukeman | ;-) thanks !!! |
| 05:13.33 | piukeman | I am reading it by now but may someone here know the issue |
| 05:13.34 | emss | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.17 | emss | do you need to restart pureftpd? |
| 05:15.02 | piukeman | no, the problem is I can not login, with a tested password and user |
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| 05:15.39 | emss | have you tried restarting pureftpd after creating the user and password? |
| 05:15.54 | piukeman | yes ... I did it |
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| 05:16.24 | piukeman | may time even I remove and installed the package |
| 05:16.28 | piukeman | again |
| 05:16.44 | emss | is ispconfig a part of pureftpd? |
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| 05:16.55 | piukeman | yes |
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| 05:19.48 | debdeb | ok, i got it working now with: iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -o br0 -s 192.168.0.124 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -o br0 -d 192.168.0.124 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:19.58 | debdeb | but it fills my log |
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| 05:22.52 | emss | piukeman ispconfig is not a part of pureftpd ...? |
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| 05:23.49 | piukeman | yes it is |
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| 05:25.46 | leku | have some questions on setting up the nvidia driver |
| 05:25.49 | debdeb | ahhh solved that, too |
| 05:25.50 | leku | vs. the opensource one |
| 05:26.39 | boudiccas | what command is it to rename a drive please? i've been looking through some of my old linux textbooks but havent found anyhting suitable |
| 05:27.03 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: rename what exactly? the device file, mount point, etc? |
| 05:27.10 | boudiccas | mount point |
| 05:27.18 | mumpitze1 | mv oldname newname |
| 05:27.31 | mumpitze1 | repeat after me: "everything is a file" |
| 05:27.42 | boudiccas | basically i've got 2 usb drives called 'backup' so i obviously need to rename one |
| 05:27.52 | mumpitze1 | leku: just state your problem |
| 05:27.54 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
| 05:28.35 | emss | boudiccas /etc/fstab? |
| 05:28.41 | leku | i'm having some weird issues I'm not sure if it is with the opensource driver or some of the steam games |
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| 05:28.56 | leku | I foudn some docs I'll try the commercial drivers brb |
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| 05:29.20 | boudiccas | emss: no, they 'hot-plug' so arent listed in fstab |
| 05:29.29 | mumpitze1 | leku: install them from the repos, not from nvidia.com |
| 05:29.56 | leku | I believe I did already |
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| 05:30.13 | leku | I had problems with the nvidia-xconfig generated xorgconf so ii'm starting over |
| 05:30.14 | mumpitze1 | leku: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 05:30.34 | leku | 16 packages |
| 05:30.54 | leku | I have them |
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| 05:34.39 | boudiccas | mumpitze1: when i try 'mv /media/backup_ /media/back2' it comes back with mv: cannot move ‘/media/backup_’ to ‘/media/back2’: Device or resource busy. so how do iget round it please? |
| 05:36.18 | emss | boudiccas you need to change where it automounts to |
| 05:36.19 | debdeb | ok... this works: iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -o br0 -s 192.168.0.124 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:36.36 | debdeb | but how would i do it with a MAC-adress instead of a ip-adress? |
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| 05:37.40 | emss | this is why i mentioned /etc/fstab but you probably need to modify some udev/hotplug or whatever setting/rule ... |
| 05:38.25 | emss | you can not move it not because the device is mounted, unmount it and you can move/rename that directory |
| 05:38.47 | emss | but you would still need to tell it where to automount next time you connect the usb device |
| 05:38.50 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: can only do it while it's unmounted |
| 05:39.07 | mumpitze1 | you will need to change your automounter, whichever one you choose |
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| 05:41.42 | boudiccas | mumpitze1: tried that, unmounted it gives this response 'mv: cannot stat ‘/media/backup_’: No such file or directory' |
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| 05:44.38 | gawen | debdeb: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m mac --mac-source aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff -j ACCEPT for example |
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| 05:46.56 | debdeb | gawen: ah cool. thanks. i am at this point in the manpage at the moment ^^ |
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| 05:56.48 | debdeb | gawen: ok, "-m mac --mac-source aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff" seems to work. but "-m mac --mac-destination aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff" not |
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| 06:01.03 | gawen | debdeb: it isn't possible with iptables |
| 06:01.20 | debdeb | gawen: yes, i come to the same |
| 06:02.07 | debdeb | bad. i would need both. so i need to do it with IPs then |
| 06:02.21 | debdeb | which is a bit bad, because of DHCP |
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| 06:02.41 | gawen | debdeb: i think you could try arptables |
| 06:03.09 | debdeb | i have seen it in the manpage of iptables... but i dont have it installed |
| 06:03.09 | gawen | debdeb: what do you want to do exactly ? |
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| 06:03.33 | debdeb | gawen: now i am with this: iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -o br0 -s 192.168.0.124 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -o br0 -d 192.168.0.124 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A LOG_FILTER -s 192.168.0.124 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A LOG_FILTER -d 192.168.0.124 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:04.41 | debdeb | it should allow the qemu-machine in a bridged-network to communicate, while the firewall on the host is very restrictive |
| 06:05.33 | debdeb | and the vm-machine gets his ip with dhcp... so i thought, it would be better to do it with mac-addresses |
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| 06:07.36 | gawen | I would restrict on the nework instead |
| 06:07.39 | debdeb | but it dowsnt matter really... as it was only a test... the installed system in the vm could be used with statically IPs |
| 06:08.05 | debdeb | on the network? |
| 06:08.18 | gawen | when -s 192.168.0.0/24 for example |
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| 06:08.28 | debdeb | a dedicated firewall-host in the network? |
| 06:08.34 | debdeb | ahhh |
| 06:09.04 | debdeb | no... there should be other virtual-machines which shouldnt be so open |
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| 06:09.53 | gawen | why not allowing everything on the bridge and configuring the firewall per vm ? |
| 06:10.15 | debdeb | and as the interface br0 is the outgoing interface of the host-machine, too... it would be bad, too... because the host-machine is in the same network as the guest-machine |
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| 06:11.50 | gawen | on which interface is your default gateway ? |
| 06:11.54 | gawen | (host-side) |
| 06:11.56 | debdeb | not br0 |
| 06:12.04 | debdeb | err... now br0 |
| 06:12.21 | debdeb | it goes all through br0 |
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| 06:13.02 | debdeb | output of "brctl show" is: |
| 06:13.05 | debdeb | bridge namebridge idefix19- STP enabledinterfaces |
| 06:13.13 | debdeb | br08000.0007e9e03799noeth1 |
| 06:13.23 | debdeb | tap0 |
| 06:13.37 | debdeb | ok.. that wasnt so good ^^ |
| 06:13.48 | debdeb | br0 is the bridge |
| 06:13.55 | gawen | indeed |
| 06:14.00 | gawen | what does route -n gives ? |
| 06:14.05 | debdeb | for interfaces eth1 and tap0 |
| 06:14.33 | debdeb | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 br0 |
| 06:14.41 | debdeb | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 br0 |
| 06:14.43 | babilen | !paste |
| 06:14.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:14.57 | debdeb | okok |
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| 06:15.16 | PingBad | lol |
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| 06:16.34 | gawen | ok i see |
| 06:16.35 | debdeb | but its ok now... at the moment it works... so i am fine. thank you gawen |
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| 06:17.06 | gawen | yw |
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| 06:29.52 | grn | how can I filter packages by priority in aptitude's TUI? |
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| 06:31.22 | grn | ok, I've found it. Pree l and enter ~prequired (or other priority) as the filter expression. |
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| 06:37.11 | anddam | TUI? |
| 06:37.19 | anddam | grn: ^^ |
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| 06:38.21 | babilen | anddam: text user interface (the ncurses interface you get if you run just "aptitude") |
| 06:39.23 | debdeb | and what do you mean with "priority"? |
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| 06:39.37 | debdeb | pinning-priority? |
| 06:39.47 | babilen | package priority (essential, important, required, optional, extra, ...) |
| 06:39.55 | debdeb | ahhh |
| 06:40.31 | babilen | s/essential// though |
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| 06:40.40 | debdeb | i have seen, aptitude can sort in cathegories. if those: i dont know |
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| 06:41.36 | babilen | grn figured it out already, the/one solution was to limit the packages (with 'l') to those with a specific priority (those that match ~prequired) |
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| 06:42.20 | debdeb | ah, ok |
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| 06:52.17 | anddam | I'm having issue with mailsync on 7.0, I setup correctly .mailsync and I perform a list but I cannot do a sync or a diff, mailsync keeps printing Authorizing against {wi-in-x10.1e100.net/imap} until it dies or sigsegv |
| 06:52.25 | anddam | s/it dies/I kill it/ |
| 06:52.48 | anddam | has anyone been able to use mailsync package recently? is it just outdated? |
| 06:53.43 | anddam | I find a couple related bugs but they are from 2003-2005 |
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| 06:57.11 | anddam | in mailsync verbose output I see [Trying IP address [2a00:1450:400c:c03::10]] is it trying to use ipv6? |
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| 06:58.00 | Dagger2 | from the log entry, I would assume so, yes |
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| 06:58.16 | Dagger2 | note that wi-in-x10.1e100.net has no v4 addresses |
| 06:58.24 | Prottey | my reportbug is still querying wnpp |
| 06:58.35 | anddam | my configuration has imap.googlemail.com tho' |
| 06:58.41 | anddam | can I turn off ipv6? |
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| 06:58.54 | Prottey | I wonder 'when will it finish |
| 06:58.58 | GinTonicool | hi guys ,how can i change the LOGIN background in squeeze |
| 06:59.15 | anddam | Dagger2: ah nvm, [Trying IP address [173.194.66.16]] |
| 06:59.19 | beardy | GinTonicool: Login where? |
| 06:59.26 | GinTonicool | gnome |
| 06:59.42 | beardy | GinTonicool: In gdm's settings then. |
| 07:00.05 | GinTonicool | and how ,thanks a lot |
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| 07:00.34 | Prottey | why such time consuming querying is necessary? |
| 07:00.37 | beardy | GinTonicool: It probably has a section in the usual "control panel"/configuration location of gnome. |
| 07:00.49 | GinTonicool | i tried many methods ,but don't work |
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| 07:02.33 | beardy | GinTonicool: http://dontsurfinthenude.blogspot.se/2011/02/change-gdm-background-image-in-squeeze.html for instance |
| 07:02.42 | GinTonicool | beardy ,is it the 'login screen' ? |
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| 07:03.12 | beardy | GinTonicool: gdm presents the login screen yes |
| 07:03.23 | babilen | assuming its gdm and not gdm3 |
| 07:03.30 | babilen | (or yet another display manager) |
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| 07:04.08 | beardy | Feel free to drag it out. |
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| 07:04.43 | GinTonicool | login screen can't do the job ! |
| 07:04.44 | tparcina | I can't configure postfix + faxmail (Hylafax) + sendfax to work as they should. |
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| 07:05.31 | tparcina | Problem is when I try to configure mail2fax. |
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| 07:07.55 | tparcina | I have been checking the configuration and everything, according to my knowledge, is fine, but it still doesn't work the way it should. |
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| 07:09.31 | GinTonicool | beardy ,still on ? |
| 07:09.37 | npic | Hello, everyone! I have successfully upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, now I have a minor problem with Droid fonts. They are shown in "Choose a font" dialog in KDE like this: http://ompldr.org/vaWNybQ/droid.png What is [unknown] and [monotype]? Which one should I use? |
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| 07:10.37 | GinTonicool | /usr/share/images/desktop-base/login-background.png I change the /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-default ,but does not work . |
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| 07:11.46 | beardy | GinTonicool: Don't /msg me. |
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| 07:12.32 | GinTonicool | beardy ,i am so sorry |
| 07:13.01 | GinTonicool | can you help me ? |
| 07:13.39 | GinTonicool | may be i know the anwser ,i'll try ! |
| 07:13.41 | beardy | GinTonicool: Did you restart gdm3 after the change? |
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| 07:17.18 | GinTonicool | beardy ,thank you ,i forgot to remove the # before the line ! now it works ,thank you ! |
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| 07:24.46 | r4co0n | Hello. I am running into problems unlocking my LUKS-encrypted disks. I can't get past the passphrase prompt in normal boot, but in rescue mode I can unlock the disks with the exact same passphrase. I use German keyboard layout, which isn't loaded with grub2. Nevertheless, i verified I hit the right keys with grub's 'edit command'. I really did try to unlock the drives like 20 times, several reboots. And I can repeatedly unlock in rescue mode, so no typo |
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| 07:26.17 | Myrtti | r4co0n: do you have plymouth? |
| 07:26.32 | debdeb | you can add another (easy) password in another key-slot... then try it with the easy one |
| 07:27.02 | r4co0n | debdeb, I think I will try that, thanks |
| 07:27.13 | debdeb | to be really sure its not a typo |
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| 07:27.52 | debdeb | or add a keyfile in another slot and try it passwordless |
| 07:28.07 | r4co0n | debdeb, the passphrase appears in grub2 edit mode as on the rescue mode command line, given I change y and z |
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| 07:29.19 | debdeb | if that doesnt help... maybe contruct a new initrd |
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| 07:29.25 | r4co0n | Myrtti, i guess this is some package? I think I don't have it, this is a clean install with only basic system tools and laptop tools picked |
| 07:29.42 | debdeb | those luks-password-things are done in initr |
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| 07:29.53 | Myrtti | ok, just checking |
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| 07:30.57 | debdeb | i think with playmouth you get this luks-password-prompt in a graphic-way, right? |
| 07:31.13 | Myrtti | yup |
| 07:31.16 | debdeb | if so: try it in plain text |
| 07:31.26 | AsSlowAsHell | Anyone know if there is there any existing possible way to make GRUB write a 512 byte sector at a specific sector near the beginning (outside of the file systems) to the drive from a 512 byte file in /boot? or do i have to hack this functionality in in a custom module? I'm not seeing a command that can acomplish this in the manuals or the commands folder in the source so far.. |
| 07:31.28 | Myrtti | among other things |
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| 07:31.56 | r4co0n | this is for unlocking two disks that store a lvm containing my root |
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| 07:32.20 | r4co0n | this is supported, right? |
| 07:32.36 | debdeb | unlocking two disks at once? |
| 07:32.48 | r4co0n | i have to enter the passphrase twice |
| 07:33.01 | debdeb | i wouldnt do that this way |
| 07:33.08 | r4co0n | but i only reboot on kernel change |
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| 07:33.26 | r4co0n | the machine is an eeepc with a 4G and a 8G disk |
| 07:33.45 | anddam | is there any drawback in turning off ipv6? |
| 07:34.02 | Dagger2 | ...you'll lose ipv6? |
| 07:34.08 | __file__ | Hi, I have Dell R420 server with a Broadcom 5720 lan adapter that is not supported by default on squeeze, I install debian distros here using a pxe server and the installer kernel+initrd, is there a way to add the driver to the kernel? |
| 07:34.13 | anddam | and I assume the "in Squeeze" section applies to Wheezy as well http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
| 07:34.25 | r4co0n | anddam, losing ipv6 support? disabling ipv6 is still considered best practice by many people. |
| 07:34.32 | Dagger2 | please fix your actual problem rather than disabling v6 |
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| 07:34.46 | anddam | Dagger2: I don't know exactly what my problem is |
| 07:34.51 | debdeb | then i would lvm the two disks first... then one big luks in it... and if needed another lvm inside that |
| 07:35.03 | debdeb | so its only one password-prompt |
| 07:35.13 | anddam | I mean I'm not willingly using IPv6, I don't know if the system relies on it |
| 07:35.35 | jelly-home | anddam: it does not. What fails to work on your system? |
| 07:35.50 | r4co0n | debdeb, I thought of that possibility, but feared senseless overhead. The only drawback in my solution seems to be to enter the passphrase twice on unlocking |
| 07:36.05 | anddam | mailsync, I have to migrate a set of IMAP folders, I went through docs, configured my .mailsync and can do a "list" operation |
| 07:36.32 | babilen | r4co0n: this is one of the reasons why I prefer LVM within LUKS and not the other way round |
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| 07:36.42 | debdeb | r4co0n: in assume the overhey for the cpu in calculating with two master keys is higher ^^ |
| 07:36.58 | anddam | but when I try a "sync" or "diff" (those are maildir verbs) I get a number of multiple access to the server |
| 07:37.15 | anddam | it either continues indefinitely or get an address boundary error |
| 07:37.29 | anddam | I don't know if the software is outdated or if I'm doing something wrong |
| 07:37.50 | anddam | but I can actually list the content of a remote IMAP folder so I assume the configuration is fine |
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| 07:38.19 | r4co0n | debdeb, your argument seems sound. One facepalm for me... |
| 07:38.44 | jelly-home | anddam: I'd try imapsync |
| 07:39.49 | r4co0n | so I think the mirrors will now get traffic from me again. I always feel guilty when I reinstall via network mirrors because I didn't work out the procedure in the right way first hand. |
| 07:40.01 | anddam | jelly-home: I noticed there were other tools, maybe I picked the wrong one |
| 07:40.07 | jelly-home | anddam: http://imapsync.lamiral.info/, or offlineimap |
| 07:40.08 | excalibr | Is it possible to fully flush out a process mem into swap? |
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| 07:40.30 | babilen | judd: v imapsync |
| 07:40.31 | judd | No package named 'imapsync' was found in i386. |
| 07:40.41 | anddam | jelly-home: I see isync has a configuration similar to mailsync |
| 07:40.45 | jelly-home | babilen: that one is not in Debian for some reason |
| 07:40.54 | jelly-home | anddam: never heard of that one |
| 07:41.08 | anddam | imapsync is "pay to get the source" |
| 07:41.16 | jelly-home | I've used offlineimap, and heard good things about imapsync |
| 07:41.17 | anddam | don't know if that complies with Debian rules |
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| 07:41.39 | jelly-home | that restricts redistribution |
| 07:41.45 | debdeb | r4co0n: you can cache a lot |
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| 07:42.09 | anddam | isync is in Debian and it shares same lingo as mailsync so I'm going with it |
| 07:42.17 | anddam | store, channel |
| 07:42.38 | anddam | but after spending a few hours trying to configure mailsync I'd like to understand why it doesn't work |
| 07:42.46 | anddam | I mean it's actually reading the IMAP remote folder |
| 07:42.47 | debdeb | r4co0n: deb-cache or apt-cache or how its called |
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| 07:43.41 | jelly-home | anddam: oh well, it's your time to spend |
| 07:43.48 | anddam | jelly-home: sadly, it is |
| 07:43.54 | debdeb | r4co0n: btw... why reinstall? |
| 07:44.00 | r4co0n | debdeb, i plan to setup apt-cache on this very machine (with an external hdd, i suppose). I have only a virtualbox-debian running right now |
| 07:44.49 | anddam | jelly-home: does offlineimap have an option to not delete any message from source? |
| 07:45.03 | anddam | jelly-home: that you can rememeber of |
| 07:45.06 | debdeb | r4co0n: as you said you can unlock to your system in rescue mode... then backup it... do thinks with your hardisk... and restore it |
| 07:45.07 | r4co0n | debdeb, for creating a lv with both my disks and the crypto within, as you suggested. |
| 07:45.40 | r4co0n | debdeb, that seems so right again. I got up too early today, I suppose... |
| 07:46.20 | r4co0n | I'm gonna report back, hopefully just with a success story. |
| 07:46.24 | debdeb | r4co0n: ^^ |
| 07:46.41 | jelly-home | anddam: I don't remember it deleting anything when I was doing local offline copies. |
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| 07:49.00 | Dennis8162 | Hi im trying to install java on a vps, but when i get to the license screen and scroll all the way down i cant select <ok> |
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| 07:50.24 | debdeb | Dennis8162: oracle-java? ;-) |
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| 07:51.58 | Dennis8162 | It says Configuring sun-java6-jre |
| 07:52.02 | Dennis8162 | so i guess that one |
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| 07:52.51 | h00ked | ahhh i hate czech post office :/ 7 days via royal mail airmail. from UK to CZ... DHL made deliver withing two days... :/ |
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| 07:53.21 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 07:53.23 | debdeb | i just wanted to know... your description sounds so "oracle" ;-) |
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| 07:54.04 | MaxFrames | If I feed the list found at http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth/oui/oui.txt to massagevendor, will it just update /usr/share/arpwatch/ethercodes.dat? |
| 07:54.05 | Dennis8162 | i Used apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
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| 07:54.27 | MaxFrames | or does that list needs to be adapted/formatted to feed it to massagevendor? |
| 07:54.37 | MaxFrames | the other lists linked in man massagevendor are 404 |
| 07:56.50 | Dennis8162 | what can i do? |
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| 08:01.04 | MaxFrames | anyway if I issue "massagevendor /tmp/oui.txt" (which is the hopefully working ethernet vendor list from that link) I get three errors |
| 08:01.19 | MaxFrames | "awk: cannot open p.awk (no such file or directory)" |
| 08:01.26 | MaxFrames | "awk: cannot open duplicates.awk (no such file or directory)" |
| 08:01.35 | MaxFrames | "awk: cannot open euppertolower.awk (no such file or directory)" |
| 08:01.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Dennis8162 -about install java |
| 08:01.46 | MaxFrames | ^ clueless about all this. help appreciated |
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| 08:02.27 | Dennis8162 | wab browser plugin? |
| 08:02.33 | Dennis8162 | web* |
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| 08:02.44 | babilen | Dennis8162: I really wouldn't recommend to use sun-java6-jdk - it's a security nightmare, no longer maintained/supported. Use OpenJDK instead (OpneJDK is also the reference implementation for JDK 7) |
| 08:03.13 | babilen | Dennis8162: Yes, you want icedtea-6-plugin with OpenJDK, but read what the bot just sent you in a private message. |
| 08:03.34 | Dennis8162 | This is a vps, and im using command line |
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| 08:05.01 | babilen | Well, you don't have to install the web browser plugin if you don't want or need it. The important part of my message is: Install/use OpenJDK and not sun-* -- You can install the default-jre or default-jdk metapackages or openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-6-jdk directly (-7- if you want that) |
| 08:05.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Dennis8162 about sun-java6 |
| 08:05.56 | Dennis8162 | oh ok thanks |
| 08:06.04 | Dennis8162 | whats the commnd to install open jdk? |
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| 08:07.18 | babilen | Dennis8162: Oracle simply doesn't support 6 anymore. Some very dedicated people over at Red Hat keep OpenJDK 6 alive and well maintained so you *really* should use OpenJDK if you want version 6. For version 7+ there is also no good reason not to use OpenJDK as it is the official reference implementation. |
| 08:07.44 | babilen | Dennis8162: "apt-get install default-jdk" -- If you want JDK 7 use "apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk" |
| 08:07.56 | Dennis8162 | ok thanks |
| 08:08.17 | babilen | You are welcome |
| 08:08.59 | Dennis8162 | You know, i was googleing for hours to find a commnd to install java that worked |
| 08:09.00 | Dennis8162 | :P |
| 08:10.04 | Dennis8162 | is there a debian pastebin or somthing? |
| 08:10.21 | debdeb | !paste |
| 08:10.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:10.47 | debdeb | *g* learned |
| 08:11.23 | debdeb | btw... that bot pastes a lot, too ;-) |
| 08:11.50 | Dennis8162 | I tried running apt-get install opejdk-7-jdk and got a error : http://paste.debian.net/hidden/824f57fc/ :( |
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| 08:15.48 | Dennis8162 | do you know why? |
| 08:15.53 | jmmy | I don't seem to have a wheel a group, but I am reading an ssh howto that says to add your use to the wheel group so that you can use RSA keys |
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| 08:19.01 | jmmy | you will want to add that user to the wheel group (vi /etc/group find the wheel group and add the username to that line like so: wheel:x:10:root,username). |
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| 08:20.31 | Dennis8162 | vi? |
| 08:20.50 | tralala | jmmy, that's not good advice |
| 08:21.09 | sevenfourk | gpasswd -a USER group ? |
| 08:21.39 | tralala | or adduser <user> <group> |
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| 08:22.08 | jmmy | tralala, but I don't even see the wheel group in /etc/group |
| 08:22.40 | jargon | how do i get java working in chromium? |
| 08:22.53 | neagix | can somebody help me troubleshoot an fstab problem? I have some bind mountpoints that on boot should be mounted after NFS mountpoints, but apparently they don't |
| 08:23.01 | tralala | jmmy, add it with groupadd |
| 08:23.24 | jmmy | tralala, hmm, it doesn't matter that it doesn't already exist? |
| 08:23.27 | Prottey | if I have no DD rights, can I for example fill an ITP bug, then write the (closes: #xxxxxx) line into changelog and upload the signed package to mentors? |
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| 08:24.13 | tralala | jmmy, it is strange that it doesn't exist. It suggests that something is wrong with the system. Nevertheless you can add it yourself. |
| 08:24.15 | debdeb | neagix: as i know mountin via fstab is paralell. so no. use local.rc for that or somethin like that |
| 08:24.46 | neagix | debdeb: uhm. I suspected that. ok, thanks |
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| 08:24.58 | neagix | somehow I felt using local.rc was the wrong way to do this |
| 08:24.59 | jmmy | tralala, adding it myself is just as good, there aren't any other important configs involved? |
| 08:25.42 | et | neagix: well, you can still have the fstab entries, just with a noauto ... |
| 08:26.07 | tralala | jmmy, what are you trying to do anyway? Maybe you don't need the wheel group at all. |
| 08:26.08 | debdeb | neagix: ok.. the king-way would be to build a startscript like in init.d... which depends on successfull mount -a (fstab) |
| 08:26.19 | Prottey | hello? |
| 08:26.41 | jmmy | tralala, I am trying to secure my ssh. I am following these instructions: https://my.securedragon.net/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=42 |
| 08:27.00 | neagix | :o |
| 08:27.04 | neagix | debdeb: no, that's too much |
| 08:27.22 | neagix | (I don't want to mantain an init script to use filesystems) |
| 08:27.32 | debdeb | ^^ |
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| 08:28.58 | tralala | jmmy, read this instead http://wiki.debian.org/SSH#Securing |
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| 08:29.06 | neagix | any idea why udev would suddenly decide to rename eth0 to eth1? given that there is only 1 ethernet card here |
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| 08:30.17 | neagix | mmh..I see |
| 08:30.34 | debdeb | neagix: its possible to pin interface-name on a mac-address... |
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| 08:31.53 | jmmy | tralala, thx |
| 08:32.02 | neagix | debdeb: I actually just changed the MAC address |
| 08:32.18 | neagix | debdeb: now I am looking where to change it in udev rules |
| 08:33.33 | neagix | I didn't know about this automatic udev rule creation |
| 08:33.33 | Terminus | neagix: /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 08:33.56 | Terminus | neagix: /lib/udev/write_net_rules is responsible for NICs. |
| 08:34.36 | jelly-home | !70 |
| 08:34.37 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
| 08:34.43 | jmmy | tralala, but I already did all the stuff in the instruction on the dragon page I mentioned, upto the point where you add user to wheel group. Should I undue all that, or if I just set up the keys now, I am fine |
| 08:35.38 | sianios | hello guys after upgrading to wheezy i asked my friend how to remove the old kernel 2.6 and he told me to use this command "sudo apt-get purge linux-image-x.x.x.x-generic" my system use amd64 so do i also use generic or do i replace it with amd64? sorry for the dump question |
| 08:35.40 | neagix | dpkg: it's implicit behaviour, don't like it |
| 08:35.41 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, neagix |
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| 08:36.52 | tralala | jmmy, I suggest to undo it and then follow the debian wiki. |
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| 08:37.05 | Terminus | neagix: as opposed to adding a new NIC and the new one becomes eth0 and old one becomes eth1? |
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| 08:37.30 | themill | or they come up in a different and unpredictable order each boot |
| 08:37.30 | jmmy | I am just gonna enter password everytime |
| 08:37.40 | neagix | Terminus: it's not a new NIC, I simply changed the mac address of the only existing NIC |
| 08:37.52 | neagix | Terminus: but of course write_net_rules cannot know that |
| 08:37.58 | jmmy | but those changes don't take into effect until after I restart ssh, but I can't stay logged in if I do that |
| 08:38.01 | Terminus | neagix: just saying that there is a reason why the udev rules exist. |
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| 08:38.28 | tralala | neagix, the mac is the key for interface persistence, so... |
| 08:38.30 | neagix | Terminus: yeah, I understand (after bumping in the issue). and I am saying that this behaviour is not a catch all |
| 08:39.04 | tralala | jmmy, restarting ssh will not drop your existing session |
| 08:39.25 | neagix | tralala: some drivers allow to change it via software, and actually you are required to do so in a distributed setup where you have copies of the same Debian Wheezy image |
| 08:40.18 | tralala | neagix, so you'll change it in two places |
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| 08:42.19 | jmmy | tralala, thx |
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| 08:42.44 | tralala | jmmy, sure |
| 08:42.55 | neagix | tralala: sorry, but what's your added value to the conversation with such comment? I kind of know that *now*, I am saying that anything that happens automatically is a trade off and I absolutely didn't expect it, that's all ;) |
| 08:43.01 | neagix | is it a recent addition? |
| 08:43.24 | h00ked | hm... debian squeeze have not drivers for ethernet cards for server IBM system x3650. But, unfortunately i must install squeeze - client wish. Wheezy have drivers, so, will work, if I add wheezy drivers to squeeze? |
| 08:43.52 | tralala | neagix, I thought you were asking what to do. |
| 08:43.58 | h00ked | eq. its very old piece of hw |
| 08:44.36 | anddam | I have bad luck today with this imap thing |
| 08:44.40 | neagix | ah, no - already solved it |
| 08:44.42 | themill | h00ked: the kernel (and maybe firmware) from backports would probably be enough for you |
| 08:44.47 | Terminus | h00ked: maybe there's a kernel backport? |
| 08:44.51 | themill | dpkg: tell h00ked about bdo kernel |
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| 08:44.53 | tralala | h00ked, you probably need a backported kernel if your client is ok with that |
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| 08:45.12 | themill | h00ked: but make sure your client knows that squeeze has just under 12 months of support left in it at this stage. |
| 08:45.14 | neagix | sorry, I don't like things happening automatically :P |
| 08:45.18 | anddam | now I configured mbsync, when I start it without arguments I get "Connecting to 173.194.67.108:143..." that is imap.gmail.com and then nothing more |
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| 08:45.48 | anddam | but if use a -V (verbose) or -D (debug) I don't even get the regular info lines of output that are printed without -V or -D |
| 08:45.53 | anddam | this is a bit WAT? |
| 08:45.59 | h00ked | themill: its server for his home solution, so, i think, there will be not problem with that |
| 08:46.06 | anddam | s/bit/big/ |
| 08:46.08 | __file__ | Hi, I have Dell R420 server with a Broadcom 5720 lan adapter that is not supported by default on squeeze, I install debian distros here using a pxe server and the installer kernel+initrd, is there a way to add the driver to the kernel? |
| 08:47.03 | h00ked | themill: Terminus tralala yes, kernel backports looks like solution. the night shift i will try that |
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| 08:48.02 | tralala | __file__, not really, no. You will need a newer kernel that supports this nic, but it won't be trivial to get the pxe install working like that |
| 08:48.14 | Terminus | __file__: shot in the dark, but i wonder if wheezy kernel + squeeze initrd will work. you'll still have to grab the backport kernel after installation though. |
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| 08:49.53 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 08:50.38 | cousin_luigi | iptraf gives me a "IPC ERROR" and doesn't do reverse DNS lookups: any idea what to look at? |
| 08:50.40 | Terminus | come to think of it, are the drivers for pxe boot in the kernel or initrd? |
| 08:50.44 | cousin_luigi | (wheezy) |
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| 09:03.33 | _Possum | hello, does anyone know how can i extract a .rar file with mc? |
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| 09:04.20 | mumpitze1 | tried https://www.google.de/search?q=midnight+commander+extract+rar ? |
| 09:04.30 | _Possum | yea |
| 09:04.34 | _Possum | didn't get any specific answer |
| 09:04.59 | _Possum | and my mouse also doesn't work atm |
| 09:04.59 | _Possum | lol |
| 09:05.01 | mumpitze1 | http://ksmster.com/?p=23 is the 2nd hit |
| 09:05.02 | _Possum | need to change battery |
| 09:05.28 | _Possum | meaning, i have to guy buy batteries |
| 09:06.07 | jmmy | when you buy a vps they usually provide dns, you use their nameservers, you don't have to setup your own right? |
| 09:06.14 | mumpitze1 | wireless rodents run on NiMH. very unwise, and expensive, to pay for batteries constantly |
| 09:06.20 | jmmy | I know with linode this is the case |
| 09:06.57 | mumpitze1 | usually a hostname comes with a VPS, yes. unless you bring your own |
| 09:07.04 | mumpitze1 | but free dns hosting shouldn't be hard to come by |
| 09:09.04 | jargon | do u use any chrome/chromium plugin to break pagination and have paginated web pages show in ONE page? |
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| 09:11.10 | raidghost | Is it /usr or /var that needs to be some GB. Trying to renember. |
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| 09:12.57 | cousin_luigi | raidghost: /var is usually for logs |
| 09:13.02 | dizzylizzy | debian is pretty cool |
| 09:13.03 | jelly-home | raidghost: both do, but do NOT use separate /usr mountpoint. If you have a workstation, you might consider separating just /home. |
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| 09:13.34 | jelly-home | raidghost: /var size will depend on what you use the machine for |
| 09:13.42 | raidghost | Voip server |
| 09:14.07 | raidghost | Running Asterisk and a2billing |
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| 09:15.11 | raidghost | Not for commerical, more to let us know in the family who makes who calls. So we know how to share the bill when it shows up in mail. |
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| 09:15.51 | jelly-home | you could set up LVM, give /var some modest amount like 5-10GB, and resize when needed, or you could just ignore the whole issue and make one large / |
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| 09:17.35 | raidghost | LVM is not easy to setup. Everyone says its easy. But ive tried it some times. and figured out. to drop it. |
| 09:17.58 | ex-parrot | raidghost: I find LVM about an order of magnitude easier than partitions, which part of it causes you trouble? |
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| 09:18.17 | jikz | hello.. i have a query relating to apache redirection.. |
| 09:18.21 | raidghost | ex-parrot: ive failed all the times ive tried. So a little bit of fed up |
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| 09:18.24 | jikz | if someone can help.. |
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| 09:18.34 | r4co0n | jikz, dont ask to ask, ask. |
| 09:18.55 | jikz | :) |
| 09:18.55 | ex-parrot | raidghost: what fails about it though? |
| 09:19.09 | tralala | raidghost, redhat has very good documentation on LVM. Following it makes it really easy to get LVM up and running. |
| 09:19.17 | jikz | writing a rewrite rule for every https://sitename.com to https://www.sitename.com |
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| 09:19.29 | jikz | due to some reason it is not working.. here is the pastebin of the rule im using. |
| 09:19.50 | jelly-home | raidghost: for a home service, you're not going to have millions of calls, so keep it simple and avoid using separate mountpoints |
| 09:19.51 | raidghost | ex-parrot: dont renember the error ive got. but i will check redhats documentation aboute LVM |
| 09:20.22 | raidghost | jelly-home: gonna use the server for more than voip |
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| 09:20.34 | jikz | http://pastebin.com/ScUArU03 |
| 09:20.57 | jikz | any idea why it isn't working.. what i want is every request to https://sitename.com/admin should be to https://www.sitename.com/admin |
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| 09:21.18 | tralala | raidghost, see this also http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2/ |
| 09:21.21 | r4co0n | jikz, as this is not exclusively debian-related, you may try asking the folk in #httpd , it's the apache channel |
| 09:21.31 | jelly-home | raidghost: still, worry about the size of the logs IF they reach 5-10GB+, not before |
| 09:22.13 | tralala | raidghost, also /msg dpkg lvm |
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| 09:23.35 | raidghost | i should set /usr some GB since every package been installed. might consider it as maybe 10GB |
| 09:23.58 | r4co0n | jikz, take a look at your apache-logs, per default under /var/log/apache2/ |
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| 09:26.09 | raidghost | jelly-home: ex-parrot tralala , thanks for HELP. you all are awesome ;) |
| 09:26.16 | thomaschaaf | Hello I have a lvm partition /dev/vg/spike-abc and on that there is a partition abc1 (I can see this when doing fdisk -l on it) but when I try and mount that I get an error that no such file exists. Is there anything I need to do prior? |
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| 09:27.32 | jelly-home | thomaschaaf: 1) use kpartx to create the device nodes for those partitions 2) why in the seven seas would one partition a lv |
| 09:28.13 | thomaschaaf | jelly-home: am actually trying to change this now ;) |
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| 09:28.25 | thomaschaaf | but I needed to access it first |
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| 09:29.41 | MaxFrames | I can't believe that there is no place in the whole internet with an up to date list of ethernet vendor mac codes to use with arpwatch |
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| 09:30.19 | MaxFrames | ieee has one but it needs to be edited, only a 6 digit code + a vendor name and nothing else |
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| 09:34.28 | dury | hi there all |
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| 09:35.46 | dury | I want to get live iso to burn it in a usb stick 2 GB which one it's suitable one? |
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| 09:39.35 | gallus_ | hi everybody |
| 09:39.52 | dury | where can I find debian desktop live iso to burn it in a 2 GB usb stick |
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| 09:40.10 | gallus_ | I have a big problem with my new wheezy system |
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| 09:40.51 | gallus_ | during boot after grub I got a black screen |
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| 09:41.20 | babilen | dury: http://live.debian.net/ comes to mind ;) |
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| 09:41.44 | gallus_ | the system in perfectly running but i can't see anyting on my laptop screen |
| 09:42.15 | babilen | gallus_: which gpu? do you see grub? what about the boot message? do you use plymouth or something like this? |
| 09:42.26 | babilen | gallus_: When did you install that system? |
| 09:42.40 | babilen | (and which image did you use?) |
| 09:43.36 | gallus_ | babilen, can you drive me to give these answer? |
| 09:43.49 | gallus_ | babilen, vbeinfo says |
| 09:44.16 | anddam | I have a server ssl certificate that is the issuer of itself, mbsync warns me and explicitly ask to accept the certificate |
| 09:44.35 | dury | bbl |
| 09:44.39 | babilen | gallus_: Start by answering the "easy" questions first. Do you see the grub boot menu? When did you install that box and which image did you use? (and so on, see above) |
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| 09:45.22 | anddam | for the google certificate I copied the Equifax cert from ca-certificates package, is there a way I can verify the cert I downloaded from the server without having to accept it every time? |
| 09:45.29 | wald0 | how i can install a package without interactivity ? (with debconf set to noninteractive) |
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| 09:47.10 | gallus_ | babilen, Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 09:47.52 | htor | what's the preferred way to write an debian installer iso to usb sticks? using cp or using dd? |
| 09:48.14 | anddam | my answer is here https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20121010140434.GA25141%40angelina.example.org&forum_name=isync-devel but I don't know how to get the selfsigned cert rather than the server's |
| 09:48.16 | babilen | gallus_: When did you install that and which image did you use? |
| 09:48.18 | r4co0n | htor, i prefer dd. |
| 09:48.50 | jmmy | If you have a webserver on a public ip, how do you point the domain name at your registrar to your webserver? |
| 09:48.52 | gallus_ | babilen, i installed the system 5/5/2013 |
| 09:49.01 | babilen | htor: Just use cp -- it dynamically scales the blocksize and doesn't have such an insane syntax as dd -- If you are thinking about using dd use at least dclfdd instead. |
| 09:49.05 | jmmy | Do you have to run a dns server? |
| 09:49.08 | babilen | gallus_: Which image did you use? |
| 09:49.10 | gallus_ | babilen, i did a dist-upgrade |
| 09:49.12 | htor | r4co0n: ok |
| 09:49.22 | htor | babilen: dcldd? |
| 09:49.29 | r4co0n | htor, look at babilen too... |
| 09:49.41 | babilen | gallus_: You did upgraded from squeeze which did not exhibit this (what exactly?) problem? |
| 09:49.48 | r4co0n | htor, to speed up dd, give it a bs=4M or so parameter |
| 09:50.03 | babilen | htor: dcfldd |
| 09:50.28 | babilen | r4co0n: Just use cp, it scales that automagically and doesn't have such an insane syntax |
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| 09:50.45 | babilen | judd: i dcfldd |
| 09:50.46 | judd | Package dcfldd (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: enhanced version of dd for forensics and security. Version: 1.3.4.1-2.1; Size: 39.8k; Installed: 109k; Homepage: http://dcfldd.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:51.06 | anddam | jmmy: or your registrar may be providing one |
| 09:51.28 | htor | babilen: r4co0n i used to do this kind of sdtuff with dd, but if i can use cp thats much easier |
| 09:51.29 | anddam | is my certificate question in topic at all? what channel could I be ask? |
| 09:51.40 | r4co0n | babilen, was this working since lenny? Because when I learned to write images to usb, i didn't consider this option after some research... |
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| 09:51.53 | babilen | r4co0n: what? |
| 09:52.02 | gallus_ | babilen, yes |
| 09:52.08 | babilen | r4co0n: or rather: what do you mean by "this" ? |
| 09:52.20 | gallus_ | babilen, no problem with squeeze |
| 09:52.27 | r4co0n | babilen, i mean cp instead of dd |
| 09:52.27 | htor | babilen: using cp i guess he means |
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| 09:52.56 | babilen | r4co0n: That should work with all hybrid images -- everything's a file ;) |
| 09:53.05 | gallus_ | babilen, the system is a basic installation with a gammu-smsd daemon |
| 09:53.22 | jmmy | anddam, if I were to run my own dns, I would only have 1 dns server, ns1, and so I would need to buy second ip's to run second ns2. If I just used my registrar and setup an A-name to my webserver's ip, then will I still be able to run a email server? |
| 09:53.23 | htor | what's this "hybrid image" all about? are they different from regular images? |
| 09:53.23 | r4co0n | babilen, damn obvious again. love nix |
| 09:53.31 | gallus_ | babilen, just shell apache, mysql and that daemon |
| 09:54.00 | gallus_ | babilen, I don't need any graphic interface just a shell |
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| 09:54.24 | babilen | there really is nothing special about dd -- it makes sense to use it (or rather dcfldd) if one needs to specify anything out of the ordinary (such as copy 512 bytes, starting from an offset of 4096 with a blocksize or ...) -- if all one want to do is "copy all of data1.iso somewhere else" then cp is perfectly fine |
| 09:54.55 | htor | starts cp image.iso /dev/sdX |
| 09:55.00 | anddam | jmmy: I think you can, you'll be using the registrar's dns server and just specify an A and MX record |
| 09:55.10 | htor | and feels stupid he didn't think about that before |
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| 09:55.32 | anddam | jmmy: eventually DKIM, SPF and so |
| 09:55.53 | anddam | s/eventually/possibly/ |
| 09:56.06 | babilen | gallus_: Do you see the grub menu? |
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| 09:56.18 | gallus_ | babilen, yes i did |
| 09:56.41 | gallus_ | babilen, yes i do |
| 09:56.43 | babilen | gallus_: but it turns black afterwards and never "lighten up" again? |
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| 09:58.21 | gallus_ | babilen, if i select the needed image the system start in "text" mode but when try to chage video resolution switch off |
| 09:59.12 | jmmy | anddam, I have an option for @ and one for www |
| 09:59.30 | babilen | gallus_: Could you rephrase that? You are able to boot into text mode, but the screen is black if you change the video resolution? |
| 09:59.31 | Vorpal | Hm, I seem to remember seeing some page on debian.org listing major breakage in testing, but i can't find it currently. Anyone know where that is? |
| 09:59.51 | babilen | gallus_: I just have a hard time to understand what is happening :-/ |
| 09:59.55 | gallus_ | babilen, sorry i rephrase |
| 10:00.12 | jmmy | oh @ means no www, perfect |
| 10:00.40 | gallus_ | babilen, well, when i select the desired image the system begin to start at a low resolution |
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| 10:01.13 | babilen | okay, and you can still see that, but it turns black later? |
| 10:01.35 | gallus_ | babilen, few seconds after it seems to try to switch video resolution and the system go to black screen |
| 10:01.38 | babilen | (when it switches to the "high" resolution) |
| 10:01.45 | babilen | okay, I understand now - thanks |
| 10:02.01 | truexfan81 | babilen: could the nomodeset option help with his problem? |
| 10:02.07 | babilen | gallus_: which graphic card do you use? Is it an Intel, amd or nvidia one? |
| 10:02.09 | gallus_ | babilen, so that I'm not able to see login promt |
| 10:02.13 | gallus_ | prompt |
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| 10:02.25 | babilen | truexfan81: yes, kms is what is not working here ... question is why |
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| 10:03.04 | wald0 | how i can install a package without interactivity ? (with debconf set to noninteractive) |
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| 10:03.42 | truexfan81 | babilen: if you could tell him how to make it use the nomodeset option we may be able to figure that out after it boots up |
| 10:03.44 | anddam | jmmy: @ is wildcard for A|CNAME |
| 10:03.44 | babilen | wald0: Are you looking for something like "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" ? |
| 10:03.48 | anddam | or it should be |
| 10:03.53 | gallus_ | babilen, lspci says Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 |
| 10:04.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell gallus_ -about kms |
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| 10:05.07 | babilen | gallus_: It might be that you need firmware ... Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 10:05.46 | babilen | gallus_: disabling KMS is certainly an option (read what the bot sent you), but it would be interesting to figure out why it is not working on your system |
| 10:06.18 | babilen | truexfan81: And feel free to make suggestions yourself -- I simply wanted to understand what was going on first :) |
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| 10:06.45 | gallus_ | babilen, how can i check if i have firmware-linux-nonfree? Is it a package? |
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| 10:07.05 | truexfan81 | babilen: yes i understand, i just thought it might be easier to diagnose once the system is booted up cause then he can run diagnostic commands and stuff |
| 10:07.23 | babilen | yes, it is a package. If you run, for example, "dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree" it should list the package version and the line should start with "ii" |
| 10:07.42 | gallus_ | babilen, ok it's a package |
| 10:07.54 | babilen | truexfan81: yeah, absolutely ... I was simply not sure if the screen is *always* black .. the entire time ... as if turned off. |
| 10:08.05 | gallus_ | babilen, Do you think i should have to install it? |
| 10:08.25 | truexfan81 | gallus_: it wouldn't hurt |
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| 10:08.43 | babilen | You might have to, but I would go along and disable KMS for now. You can, for example, hit "e" in the grub menu and add "nomodeset" on the kernel command line. |
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| 10:10.26 | babilen | You might also have to install xserver-xorg-video-intel ... There might also be something specifically wrong with the GM965/GL960 and KMS |
| 10:10.32 | gallus_ | babilen, i haven't that package probably i need to add repository |
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| 10:11.03 | truexfan81 | gallus_: one sec i'll get you the exact package name |
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| 10:12.21 | gallus_ | babilen, i try "e" and to add "nomodeset" and the system give mi an error |
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| 10:12.34 | truexfan81 | what error? |
| 10:12.52 | thm | hi. does "-o DPkg::options::=--confask" to apt-get somehow interfere with multiarch? |
| 10:12.56 | truexfan81 | gallus_: firmware-linux-nonfree i believe is what you want |
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| 10:13.26 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 unknown "nomodeset" command |
| 10:13.44 | truexfan81 | o.o |
| 10:13.54 | babilen | gallus_: Okay, please make sure your sources.list entries ends in "main contrib non-free" -- like, for example, http://paste.debian.net/3092/ then run "apt-get update" and install the two packages I mentioned with "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel" |
| 10:14.15 | babilen | gallus_: Did you add "nomodeset" at the end or did you replace the entire line with "nomodeset" ? |
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| 10:14.54 | gallus_ | babilen, there are only wheezy main |
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| 10:15.21 | truexfan81 | gallus add contrib non-free after wheezy main |
| 10:16.28 | gallus_ | truexfan81, done. Do I need to do in any part? Security and Updates too |
| 10:17.07 | babilen | gallus_: The sources.list I pasted is quite a complete one for wheezy. I would recommend to add wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates (security) ... |
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| 10:18.02 | babilen | gallus_: Once you've done that you can run "apt-get update" and then install these two packages with "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel" -- Install one after the other if you want us to be able to figure out what fixed it. I *guess* that you need xserver-xorg-video-intel, but I am not sure. |
| 10:18.05 | thm | I'm trying to understand http://ur1.ca/drjwv |
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| 10:19.27 | truexfan81 | babilen: one thing i want to know is if the installer detected intel graphics...why would xserver-xorg-video-intel not be installed by default? |
| 10:19.36 | babilen | thm: not sure :-/ -- do you have i386 enabled? but then, why should confask interfere with that? |
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| 10:19.49 | thm | babilen: I have it enabled, yes. |
| 10:20.05 | babilen | truexfan81: No xorg installed (no graphical system whatsoever) |
| 10:20.12 | truexfan81 | true |
| 10:20.18 | truexfan81 | wait |
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| 10:20.31 | thm | babilen: maybe DPkg::options::= overwrites something apt-get would pass itself? |
| 10:20.31 | truexfan81 | i must have missed that, he is running without xorg? |
| 10:20.34 | babilen | thm: Do you observe that with every package or just when you reinstall ifupdown? |
| 10:21.06 | thm | with every package I tried. |
| 10:21.20 | babilen | truexfan81: that's how I interpreted "10:54:00 gallus_ > babilen, I don't need any graphic interface just a shell" |
| 10:21.54 | babilen | gallus_: Just to clarify: Do you have Xorg installed? Was/Is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed already? |
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| 10:22.14 | truexfan81 | well, i wonder if installing that package would cause xorg to be installed due to deps |
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| 10:23.24 | babilen | thm: wait, shouldn't that be "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confask" ? |
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| 10:24.02 | babilen | truexfan81: probably, but it might be needed for KMS |
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| 10:24.22 | thm | babilen: oops, right. thanks for spotting this. |
| 10:24.26 | gallus_ | babilen, i haven' t installed any xorg |
| 10:24.37 | babilen | gallus_: Okay, in order for us to diagnose this problem better: Could you run "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel" and tell us if it is installed? |
| 10:24.47 | truexfan81 | babilen: is kms needed for a shell only system? |
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| 10:25.19 | babilen | gallus_: Then change your sources.list to include contrib and non-free and install firmware-linux-nonfree -- Once you've done that reboot. Check the behaviour, if it didn't change then install the xserver-xorg-video-intel package. |
| 10:25.23 | gallus_ | babilen, i added repository indo i did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
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| 10:25.44 | babilen | truexfan81: We could disable it, but I (gallus?) would probably prefer the higher resolution |
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| 10:26.53 | truexfan81 | yeah gallus_ for right now the apt-get upgrade was not needed |
| 10:27.18 | gallus_ | babilen, can we eventully come back? |
| 10:27.37 | gallus_ | babilen, i run apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 10:28.14 | babilen | gallus_: Would you mind installing firmware-linux-nonfree first (and not xserver-xorg-video-intel) and try rebooting with that? |
| 10:28.23 | gallus_ | babilen, ok |
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| 10:29.31 | truexfan81 | i need to go to bed but i'm gonna wait, i wanna see how this goes |
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| 10:29.59 | Prottey | hey, does anyone know if I have to become a DD to fill an ITP request? |
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| 10:30.32 | Prottey | or can I use ITP for mentors sponsorship? |
| 10:31.23 | gallus_ | babilen, ok it seems to work but also before that operation sometimes it worked |
| 10:31.44 | truexfan81 | ick i hate intermittant problems |
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| 10:31.52 | babilen | Prottey: You can file an ITP if you want to package anything regardless of you being a DD or DM -- You /do/ need a sponsor though if you cannot upload to the archive yourself. See http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers for further details. |
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| 10:33.24 | Prottey | so will an ITP attract sponsors, or I have to fill a separate RFS after I've uploaded it? |
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| 10:34.13 | FaTony | why doesn't gdm3 allow me to login as root? |
| 10:34.16 | babilen | Prottey: The latter |
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| 10:34.43 | gallus_ | babilen, ok i reboot and nothing again |
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| 10:34.53 | babilen | Prottey: it's typically a good idea to maintain a package within a suitable team and find sponsors in that team (e.g. python, java, ...) |
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| 10:35.11 | babilen | gallus_: Okay, could you install xserver-xorg-video-intel now and try that? |
| 10:35.12 | truexfan81 | FaTony: depending on how you set it up, you can become root from your login |
| 10:35.26 | babilen | FaTony: You shouldn't work as root by default. |
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| 10:35.38 | Prottey | ok, thanks |
| 10:36.20 | FaTony | babilen, I just want to change the root's theme |
| 10:36.37 | gallus_ | babilen, it has a lot of dipendences |
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| 10:36.46 | babilen | gallus_: Is that a problem? |
| 10:37.01 | gallus_ | babilen, no of course |
| 10:37.01 | truexfan81 | babilen: that answered my question |
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| 10:37.14 | truexfan81 | it does want to install xorg with that package |
| 10:37.43 | gallus_ | truexfan81, i don't need xorg |
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| 10:38.08 | truexfan81 | gallus_: you can run xorg without running a gui, might even fix your problem |
| 10:38.12 | babilen | gallus_: I am simply curious -- you can disable KMS altogether (see "/msg dpkg kms" and links in there for information), but I'd like to know if you have to have the xorg driver installed for KMS to work or not. |
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| 10:38.40 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 but i need to see my shell |
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| 10:38.48 | babilen | you will |
| 10:38.57 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 I'm using ssh always |
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| 10:39.46 | truexfan81 | babilen: if he is accessing it from ssh only he doesn't need kms |
| 10:40.17 | gallus_ | truexfan81, no i access via ssh and local |
| 10:40.27 | babilen | gallus_: As I said: You can always disable KMS (i915.modeset=0 or "options i915 modeset=0" in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf (don't forget to run "update-initramfs -u" after that) ... |
| 10:40.33 | truexfan81 | ok gallus_ let me ask you this |
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| 10:40.58 | truexfan81 | do you need the higher res which kms provides? or would you be fine with the lower res when running local? |
| 10:41.04 | babilen | gallus_: I am simply curious if installing xserver-xorg-video-intel fixes the problem you have right now. Please, do me/us the favour and try it .. you can always purge it again and disable kms |
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| 10:41.27 | gallus_ | truexfan81, babilen I'm doing |
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| 10:41.37 | gallus_ | babilen, installed |
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| 10:41.48 | babilen | okay, try a reboot now :) |
| 10:42.08 | gallus_ | babilen, i halt the system and i see what happen |
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| 10:43.52 | gallus_ | babilen, it doesn't work |
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| 10:44.28 | gallus_ | babilen, do you think i have to change something in /etc/default/grub |
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| 10:46.11 | gallus_ | babilen, I don't have /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf |
| 10:47.56 | babilen | gallus_: Okay, please create /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf with "options i915 modeset=0" and run "update-initramfs -u" |
| 10:48.06 | gallus_ | babilen, in /etc/modprobe.d/ there is only fbdev-blacklist.conf |
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| 10:49.12 | gallus_ | babilen, only one line ---> modeset=0 or "option i915 modeset=0 |
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| 10:49.54 | babilen | gallus_: The content of that file should be "options i915 modeset=0" and nothing else |
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| 10:50.04 | gallus_ | babilen, done |
| 10:50.15 | babilen | note the 's' at the end of options |
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| 10:50.45 | babilen | gallus_: okay, give that a try ... I'll be away for some time, but will be back later. |
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| 10:51.06 | gallus_ | babilen, how many minutes? :( |
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| 10:51.10 | truexfan81 | gallus_ , babilen i'm going to bed, cya later |
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| 10:51.17 | babilen | truexfan81: good night |
| 10:51.37 | gallus_ | truexfan81, good night and thank you very much |
| 10:51.39 | babilen | gallus_: Just give that a try and there are other people here who can surely help you ... no need to despair! ;) |
| 10:52.00 | gallus_ | babilen, i reboot? |
| 10:52.23 | truexfan81 | gallus_: yes |
| 10:52.50 | aoh | should ia32-libs package be installable in wheezy currently? i get "Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable" |
| 10:52.51 | babilen | gallus_: You did "update-initramfs -u" didn't you? |
| 10:53.09 | truexfan81 | gallus_: feel free to tell me how it goes, just highlight me, i'll read the scrollback before i go to work |
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| 10:54.11 | gallus_ | babilen, yes i did and i did everything you sad |
| 10:54.30 | babilen | gallus_: So, did you reboot? |
| 10:54.33 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 now it seems to work at a low resolution |
| 10:54.47 | truexfan81 | yep that is what we expected |
| 10:55.03 | truexfan81 | with the nomodeset option it will do the low resolution |
| 10:55.06 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 yes i halt and restart |
| 10:55.12 | babilen | gallus_: alright ... not sure why KMS wasn't working for you, but if you are happy with the current situation we can leave it at that. |
| 10:55.56 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 just two more simple question |
| 10:56.16 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 can I do these questions? |
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| 10:56.40 | mazert | hello, i've a problem with vim |
| 10:56.50 | truexfan81 | to quote James T. Kirk "you may ask" |
| 10:57.30 | mazert | i want to put a theme, but i dont know really how.. i dont have .vim directory in my /home/user |
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| 10:57.59 | nkuttler | mazert: so cretae it |
| 10:58.18 | gallus_ | truexfan81, well no quiet mode and that's not a problem can i comment out #GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768? |
| 10:58.30 | mazert | so i tried to edit /etc/vim/vimrc and add colorscheme theme.vim , but nothing |
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| 10:58.58 | nkuttler | mazert: what do you mean, nothing? |
| 10:59.00 | mazert | nkuttler: i can create /vim/colors and put my themes into ? ok ok... |
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| 10:59.55 | mazert | nkuttler: nothing = i have a warning : cant found "mustang". for example |
| 11:00.13 | mazert | mustang is a theme |
| 11:00.26 | babilen | mazert: It is typically a better idea to edit ~/.vimrc and not the system configuration file /etc/vim/vimrc -- Can you choose that colourscheme in vim directly with ":colorscheme theme" ? |
| 11:01.10 | babilen | mazert: It also shouldn't be "colorscheme theme.vim" but "colorscheme theme" -- "theme" is also a strange name for a colour scheme - are you sure that the name of the colorscheme is "theme" ? |
| 11:01.57 | gallus_ | babilen, truexfan81 I would like so switch off acpi and any energy saving becase seems to sent to sleep some devices |
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| 11:02.04 | babilen | mazert: And having said all that: I'd recommend to discuss this is #vim -- I am there too and you'll find plenty of other vim users there. |
| 11:02.09 | mazert | babilen: i dont have ~/.vimrc file |
| 11:02.30 | mazert | babilen: ok, so the name of the theme is the name of the file without extension ? |
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| 11:02.58 | babilen | mazert: yeah, you typically create that file yourself (as it is specific to each user) |
| 11:03.04 | mazert | babilen: hmm ok, thanks for helping, i go join this channel too :) |
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| 11:04.21 | babilen | mazert: Crafting your vim configuration is, well, a bit of work. I would personally recommend to use *at least* https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible with pathogen, but lets discuss this in #vim |
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| 11:06.35 | mazert | ah ok, so its /etc/vim/vimrc first, then /home/toto/.vimrc .. so i cant juste write colorscheme theme in .vimrc , i think so |
| 11:08.39 | sdd6 | is there a command to restore bad fglrx configurations/installation ? |
| 11:08.44 | Prottey | is it ok for my hyphen-ru package to be based on LPPL-1.2+ licensed work? |
| 11:08.48 | babilen | mazert: You can have "colorscheme mozart" in your ~/.vimrc but you have to install that colourscheme in a supported way as it is not available by default. |
| 11:09.02 | Prottey | LPPL is LaTeX project public license btw |
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| 11:13.08 | sdd6 | ^^ |
| 11:13.51 | tiny | Hello! How do I setup stop routine in start-stop-daemon script in /etc/init.d/ if I'm starting my program with a daemon program that takes care of daemonizing it and respawning it if it crashes. |
| 11:14.07 | tiny | this just kills daemon: start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --retry=HUP/30/KILL/5 --pidfile $PIDFILE --name $DAEMON |
| 11:14.26 | tiny | Can I send HUP signal to child processes also? |
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| 11:23.39 | Prottey | hello? |
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| 11:24.48 | tiny | So I guess start-stop-daemon doesn't handle child processes by default. One need to take care of that by some scripting... |
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| 11:31.20 | anddam | can anyone enlighten me on the selfsigned certificate thing as opposed to the "server's one"? http://goo.gl/LHsd0 explains the solution to my issue, I got the IMAP server certificate using mbsync-get-cert but this still show the "not verified warning" |
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| 11:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | tin... |
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| 11:32.54 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: as in tin can? |
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| 11:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, was trying to address the previous guy... who albeit seems to have run out of patience after 6 minutes |
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| 11:35.20 | nickmaiale | hi there! |
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| 11:36.31 | anddam | nickmaiale: wise choiche of nick |
| 11:36.40 | nickmaiale | :D |
| 11:36.45 | nickmaiale | anddam, thanks! |
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| 11:36.55 | anddam | mm btw reading over and over that answer I see the selfsigned cert should just work |
| 11:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, generally speaking, any self-signed certificate will give you a wargning... |
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| 11:37.19 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: even if the answer on mbsync ml say it shouldn't once you specify the cert? |
| 11:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, dunno... that's how it works for http server certs... |
| 11:37.55 | anddam | anyway reading the answer again and again I see it should work with selfsigned cert like the one I fetched but I just noticed I have |
| 11:37.59 | anddam | "Error, can't verify certificate: certificate has expired (10)" |
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| 11:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... too old? |
| 11:38.22 | anddam | expired 2007 |
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| 11:38.24 | anddam | small ISP |
| 11:38.35 | anddam | probably they don't care about it |
| 11:39.05 | anddam | I'm not able to tell mbsync to not use SSL |
| 11:40.10 | nickmaiale | can someone help me to activate NVIDIA proprietary drivers? |
| 11:40.23 | nickmaiale | I've just installed this packge nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
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| 11:43.39 | nickmaiale | I am on Debian wheezy |
| 11:43.44 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: even if I set RequireSSL and UseIMAPS the program wants a certificate |
| 11:43.54 | anddam | nickmaiale: there are factoids about that |
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| 11:44.25 | anddam | dpkg: tell nickmaiale about nvidia |
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| 11:44.46 | anddam | enjoy the reading |
| 11:45.01 | nickmaiale | anddam, thanks! |
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| 11:46.28 | nickmaiale | the first thing I looked for was the xorg.conf |
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| 11:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is none by default |
| 11:47.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell nickmaiale -about nvidia dkms-96xx |
| 11:47.21 | babilen | nickmaiale: Are you sure that you require the legacy driver for you card? |
| 11:47.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell nickmaiale -about empty xorg conf |
| 11:47.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell nickmaiale -about empty xorg.conf |
| 11:47.43 | nickmaiale | uh.... |
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| 11:50.39 | nickmaiale | babilen, thanks, I am reading |
| 11:50.52 | nickmaiale | sorry if I am a bit noob |
| 11:51.03 | babilen | nickmaiale: That's perfectly fine :) |
| 11:51.15 | nickmaiale | (: |
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| 11:51.51 | babilen | nickmaiale: If you installed the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms package already all you have to do now is to run "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and restart the computer. |
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| 11:52.06 | babilen | nickmaiale: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you? |
| 11:52.41 | nickmaiale | oh...wait |
| 11:52.58 | babilen | whatfor? |
| 11:53.05 | babilen | waits patiently |
| 11:53.11 | nickmaiale | xD |
| 11:53.20 | nickmaiale | sorry, I am not working on this computer |
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| 11:54.08 | nickmaiale | it gives me, more or less, the name of my video card |
| 11:54.25 | babilen | nickmaiale: Okay, could you show it to me regardless of that? Or give me the alphanumerical identifier in brackets at the end if you can't copy and paste? (should look like [abcd:1234] ) |
| 11:54.39 | nickmaiale | sure |
| 11:54.50 | nickmaiale | 10de:0110 |
| 11:54.59 | babilen | thanks |
| 11:55.12 | nickmaiale | babilen, I did just two steps |
| 11:55.30 | nickmaiale | installning nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and nvidia-xconfing |
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| 11:55.44 | babilen | nickmaiale: Yeah, you do indeed need the 96 legacy driver. So, running the commands in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms-96xx" should be all you need. |
| 11:55.45 | nickmaiale | and then running nvidia-xconfing |
| 11:55.54 | babilen | no, don't do that |
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| 11:56.37 | babilen | That will create a very suboptimal and overly specific (not to say totally uncool and outdated) /etc/X11/xorg.conf that really isn't needed. |
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| 11:56.59 | babilen | I would also recommend to install the DKMS package (this builds the kernel package for every installed kernel automagically) |
| 11:57.08 | babilen | dpkg: nvidia dkms-96xx |
| 11:57.08 | dpkg | For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users (GeForce 2/3/4 GPUs supported). Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 11:57.59 | babilen | nickmaiale: ^^^ this is *all* you have to to. You might want to remove/purge nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and nvidia-xconfing and remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf if exists. If you want me to check that everything went fine you can paste the output of all these commands to http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:58.18 | babilen | But I'm off to lunch now |
| 11:58.35 | htor | babilen: have a good lunch |
| 11:58.40 | babilen | merci |
| 11:58.42 | htor | \o |
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| 12:00.17 | nickmaiale | babilen, I think... |
| 12:00.29 | nickmaiale | I've done the right things |
| 12:01.00 | nickmaiale | yeah, perfect! |
| 12:01.18 | nickmaiale | those two steps I did were right |
| 12:01.19 | nickmaiale | ;) |
| 12:01.38 | babilen | which? |
| 12:01.49 | nickmaiale | <nickmaiale> babilen, I did just two steps |
| 12:01.51 | nickmaiale | <nickmaiale> installning nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and nvidia-xconfing |
| 12:01.53 | nickmaiale | <nickmaiale> and then running nvidia-xconfing |
| 12:02.35 | babilen | trust me, they are suboptimal for some reasons and I *still* recommend to use the method outlined by our bot. I will, however, not argue about it and if you are happy *now* then enjoy it while it lasts ;) |
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| 12:03.05 | nickmaiale | :°°D |
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| 12:03.50 | nickmaiale | babilen, really thanks for your advice |
| 12:04.12 | nickmaiale | but I am happy "no" |
| 12:04.14 | nickmaiale | *now |
| 12:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey, who says xorg.conf is uncool |
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| 12:04.33 | babilen | i do |
| 12:04.54 | lapache | Hello, does debian have a volatile buffer file somewhere to interprocess communication ? |
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| 12:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | filist! |
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| 12:14.58 | ndroftheline | greetings, all! i'm a development worker at the end of a very poor internet connection and i've become accustomed to using presto with fedora - it saves a ton of bandwidth for update downloads. however i'll be installing a system for a local youth health corner and fedora is a bit unstable. i was thinking of using debian instead - but does it have a delta-update function like presto? thanks |
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| 12:31.16 | UukGoblin | after 3 failed attempts of resolving on IRC ;-) |
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| 12:48.31 | dokma | any way to configure scp to use non standard port for certain hosts withtout specifying with -P ?? |
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| 12:49.56 | Terminus | dokma: in ~/.ssh/config see man ssh_config |
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| 12:50.11 | Terminus | dokma: or alias it. |
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| 12:53.14 | uwjesq | How is dist upgrade from 6 to 7 working out for you? Encountered any problems? |
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| 12:54.21 | musca | uwjesq: well, there is gnome2 --> gnome3 |
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| 12:56.02 | lobato | hi ppl |
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| 12:56.25 | lobato | i want to share some frustation with yous... |
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| 12:57.31 | stefan-_ | hi |
| 12:57.40 | uwjesq | musca: Not using gnome so. |
| 12:57.45 | stefan-_ | i have problems during update to 7.0 with installing grub |
| 12:57.48 | stefan-_ | https://gist.github.com/dozed/3ce18a0dd4067e48eee1 |
| 12:57.49 | stefan-_ | any ideas? |
| 12:57.58 | lobato | yesterday i tried to install newly fresh wheezy on my desktop, but i graphics driver (fgrlx) won't work |
| 12:58.14 | silidan1 | does anyone know which executables are used when i call /etc/init.d/openvpn? (i need to give unprivileged users the ability to make openvpn connection) |
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| 12:59.20 | mumpitze1 | silidan1: dpkg -S openvpn |
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| 13:00.34 | lobato | how come debian dev team would release a version which has no support to AMD video hardware? |
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| 13:01.31 | mumpitze1 | lobato: it does. please state your actual problem |
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| 13:02.08 | silidan1 | mumpitze1: this gives me just the files that get installed by the openvpn package right? |
| 13:02.39 | mumpitze1 | silidan1: the openvpn binary itself should be the one which needs root, don't think any others |
| 13:02.51 | uwjesq | musca: I have this tutorial that adds aditional steps. I would just change my sources.list, do an update and dist-upgrade like I did the versions before. Is that naive? |
| 13:02.54 | mumpitze1 | possibly modprobing the tun/tap module if it's actually separate |
| 13:03.28 | mumpitze1 | !tell uwjesq about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:04.52 | silidan1 | mumpitze1: well there seems to be also other executable involved, especially that creating the tun device... |
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| 13:06.21 | tremon | stefan-_: why would you want to install grub to md0? |
| 13:07.04 | uwjesq | mumpitze1: So you go out of your way to have a bot tell me that the answer to my question is no. Thanks anyhow. I have no bot to tell you this so I tell you directly. |
| 13:07.29 | stefan-_ | tremon, i tried /dev/sda before, but since it is raid-1 it shouldnt make a difference, or? |
| 13:07.44 | GNU\colossus | hi |
| 13:07.47 | mumpitze1 | uwjesq: you need to learn how irc and #debian in particular works. we use dpkg constantly to save time for us and you. |
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| 13:08.29 | GNU\colossus | I just tried to "clone" my wheezy system to another, freshly installed wheezy machine using dpkg --get-selections (src host) and --set-selections (target host) |
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| 13:08.32 | tremon | stefan-_: because md0 is a raid-1 of two partitions. your BIOS has no way of assemling that raid, so putting a bootloader there is of no use |
| 13:08.47 | mumpitze1 | uwjesq: and dpkg happens to know exactly how to upgrade without us to having to write it constantly in longhand. imagine, you are one of many many people who ask this exact question currently |
| 13:08.52 | GNU\colossus | doesn't work, with --get-seletions on the receiving side showing a totally different selection of packages afterwards |
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| 13:09.01 | GNU\colossus | same thing happens when I issue --clear-selections first |
| 13:09.04 | stefan-_ | tremon, isnt the bootloader mirrored to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb? |
| 13:09.05 | GNU\colossus | what am I doing wrong= |
| 13:09.06 | GNU\colossus | ? |
| 13:09.52 | mumpitze1 | stefan-_: it can't. your bios doesn't know about the raid, only linux does. but the bootloader is called from bios |
| 13:10.12 | mumpitze1 | so even if it would be mirrored: still no use |
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| 13:10.28 | htor | wheezy 7.0 installed nicely, only thing is gnome3 goes to fallback mode. have intel integrated graphics, using i915 driver. can anyone help me? |
| 13:10.44 | mumpitze1 | htor: you need to check your Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:10.58 | GNU\colossus | dpkg on the target host spews a crapload of warnings upon setting selections, which read "dpkg: warning: package not in database at line <n>: <packagename>" |
| 13:10.58 | dpkg | GNU\colossus: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 13:10.58 | tremon | stefan-_: no, unless you let your bios do the disk mirroring (it certainly can't do partition-based raid). But you can install grub to both sda and sdb |
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| 13:11.16 | mumpitze1 | GNU\colossus: then fix your sources.list |
| 13:11.26 | htor | mumpitze1: i doesn't contain any EE errors at least |
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| 13:11.31 | GNU\colossus | my apt index is up to date though, and the package atoms it complains about "not being in the database" are queryable via apt-cache policy |
| 13:11.39 | GNU\colossus | mumpitze1, see above. |
| 13:11.41 | mumpitze1 | htor: could be a warning, etc |
| 13:11.48 | GNU\colossus | afaict, everything is in perfect order on the machine |
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| 13:12.23 | htor | mumpitze1: i will check it now |
| 13:12.32 | mumpitze1 | GNU\colossus: pastebin the sources.list of the target machine |
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| 13:13.08 | stefan-_ | tremon, ah right, it would go to /dev/sda1 when writing to /dev/md0 |
| 13:13.13 | stefan-_ | and it needs to go to /dev/sda |
| 13:13.40 | tremon | stefan-_: yes, indeed |
| 13:13.42 | GNU\colossus | sources.list files are identical on both hosts: http://paste.debian.net/3132/ |
| 13:13.45 | stefan-_ | tnx |
| 13:14.22 | tremon | GNU\colossus: I've never tried it, but would dselect update help here? |
| 13:14.38 | GNU\colossus | I don't have dselect installed atm |
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| 13:14.43 | htor | mumpitze1: can't find anything suspicious: http://sprunge.us/iCHh |
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| 13:15.08 | GNU\colossus | I also don't see how it could help when I can't feed its database new data in the first place... |
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| 13:15.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell GNU\colossus -about aptitude clone |
| 13:15.43 | babilen | GNU\colossus: (for next time) |
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| 13:15.56 | mumpitze1 | htor: glxinfo works? |
| 13:16.00 | lobato | I have a HD7700 video card, but after install wheezy, i've tried to build the fgrlx 13.3-dev package from AMD site and i step over a bug, previously reported to launchpad #1099118. |
| 13:16.01 | stefan-_ | tremon, installing to /dev/sdx gives another error message: https://gist.github.com/dozed/2a19e5610002cda10744 |
| 13:16.13 | GNU\colossus | babilen, cool |
| 13:16.15 | htor | mumpitze1: it runs ye |
| 13:16.21 | GNU\colossus | exactly what I've been looking for, I guess :) |
| 13:16.49 | stefan-_ | and using --force does only work for /dev/sda |
| 13:16.51 | mumpitze1 | htor: how did you create your partitions? |
| 13:17.05 | tremon | stefan-_: how did you create your partitions? ;) |
| 13:17.14 | mumpitze1 | not good to use --force when it might have stuff in place where grub wants to put its stage1 |
| 13:17.18 | htor | mumpitze1: autopartition. rootfs is full by the way |
| 13:17.28 | mumpitze1 | htor: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 13:17.40 | stefan-_ | it is a root server with pre-installed debian |
| 13:17.45 | htor | Cannot open /dev/sda |
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| 13:17.50 | tremon | stefan-_: can you do fdisk -lu on your disks? |
| 13:17.50 | htor | oopsie |
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| 13:18.07 | mumpitze1 | normally, the MBR is a single sector, then there are 62 empty sectors and then the first partition starts. grub stage1 is put into these empty 62 sectors. if it's not available then bad things happen :) |
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| 13:18.22 | stefan-_ | tremon, https://gist.github.com/dozed/2a19e5610002cda10744 |
| 13:18.37 | tremon | stefan-_: what mumpitze1 says ^^ |
| 13:18.59 | mumpitze1 | "/dev/sda1 1 " it starts at sector 1 :( |
| 13:19.05 | htor | mumpitze1: http://sprunge.us/FbbI |
| 13:19.10 | stefan-_ | ye, i read about that issue |
| 13:19.36 | stefan-_ | there is the option using blocklists, which i think was used by the previously installed grub |
| 13:19.37 | mumpitze1 | htor: you don't need to paste fdisk output. you don't have a partitioning problem. you have a videocard problem :P |
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| 13:20.36 | tremon | stefan-_: that's probably your only option, but it is a fragile solution imho. My advice would be to backup and resize your partitions |
| 13:20.46 | htor | mumpitze1: you asked me for it |
| 13:22.34 | htor | there's a message in a login termina (which is spawned after login?) about no 3d hardware support |
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| 13:23.32 | tremon | stefan-_: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?s=cfd93aab3d0c56358cfa29f27e6a3fe8&p=1543848&postcount=2 is another option, I'm not sure grub2 supports blocklists. you can try grub-legacy |
| 13:24.13 | stefan-_ | tremon, ok, thanks |
| 13:24.36 | stefan-_ | i guess ill try grub-legacy before resizing the partitions |
| 13:24.48 | htor | lspci -v | grep VGA |
| 13:24.49 | htor | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 13:25.18 | Fidelix | Hello! I would like to share my Debian installation with all the settings and programs with some friends? What are the best ways to do this? |
| 13:25.35 | tremon | stefan-_: my advice would be to resize your swap, then move up all partitions. no need to resize the md partitions |
| 13:26.39 | mumpitze1 | Fidelix: make a full backup of your partition, e.g. clonezilla. you will have to reinstall grub at the other's PC |
| 13:27.03 | tremon | Fidelix: what's "share"? desktop sharing, file sharing, having separates logins on your machine, cloning your harddisks? |
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| 13:27.15 | mumpitze1 | htor: you should check if glxinfo works |
| 13:27.47 | mrtnt | What is the most feature-rich CLI e-mail client? Mutt? |
| 13:27.58 | Fidelix | tremon: the whole installation |
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| 13:28.09 | htor | mumpitze1: it works |
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| 13:28.28 | mumpitze1 | htor: maybe something in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 13:28.31 | Fidelix | With my IDE, user configurations, etc |
| 13:28.40 | lrojas | hi all, can someone link me to a propper apt sources.list that tracks jessie ? |
| 13:28.55 | tremon | Fidelix: ok, what mumpitze1 said then. backup and restore |
| 13:29.28 | mumpitze1 | Fidelix: but change passwords after you restored :) |
| 13:29.32 | stefan-_ | tremon, that could work, i need to refresh my fdisk skills =) |
| 13:29.39 | Fidelix | tremon, mumpitze1, it's too much hassle to install clonezilla in all the PCs. Can't they put the thing into an USB drive and somehow install to disk? |
| 13:29.57 | mumpitze1 | Fidelix: yes. you install clonezilla to the usb stick |
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| 13:30.01 | tremon | !tell lrojas about jessie sources.list |
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| 13:31.23 | lrojas | tremon: thanks, what i mean is, can i see a configured file that tracks jessie? i think mine is broken somehow... it won't read some indexes |
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| 13:32.06 | mumpitze1 | lrojas: there probably aren't any updates repos for jessie yet |
| 13:32.10 | Fidelix | mumpitze1, tremont, thanks for the help. I'll think about how to do it properly. |
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| 13:32.24 | tremon | lrojas: that is a configured file. If you get errors, paste the command you're using, your sources.list and the command output |
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| 13:32.31 | Fidelix | mumpitze1, tremon, what about different drivers? |
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| 13:32.59 | mumpitze1 | Fidelix: all drivers are in the linux kernel. it doesn't matter which hardware he has. one might need to recreate the initrd, that's all |
| 13:33.07 | lrojas | https://gist.github.com/onedeveloper/f59167a8cc5018b784f4 <--- this is my sources.list |
| 13:33.09 | tremon | Fidelix: what about them? it's not windows, where you have to use sysprep to prepare the system |
| 13:33.11 | mumpitze1 | also, flgrx/nvidia are a problem if you have them installed |
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| 13:33.46 | lrojas | tremon, the command i'm using is apt-get update |
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| 13:34.24 | lrojas | https://gist.github.com/onedeveloper/cfd02351329a4d907b42 <--- this is the error |
| 13:34.26 | Fidelix | tremon, mumpitze1, I love Linux. |
| 13:34.29 | GNU\colossus | what gtk2/gtk3 egnines do you guys run that are packaged for wheezy and make the desktop look as uniformly (in terms of themes) as possible? |
| 13:34.48 | lrojas | tremon: can you advice me on what's wrong ? |
| 13:34.53 | tremon | lrojas: there probably is no volatile for jessie (no jessie-updates), there won't be |
| 13:35.12 | lrojas | tremon: so i just need to comment out that entry ? |
| 13:35.18 | semko | hey guys |
| 13:35.20 | tremon | yes |
| 13:35.32 | semko | i have my sources.list set to stable (http://pastebin.com/mDTEpa5Y) |
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| 13:36.05 | lrojas | tremon: one more question... do i need to do anything in apt preferences ? |
| 13:36.11 | deepy | is there any way to download a package and all of it's dependencies so I can instal lit on another machine which has no network? |
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| 13:36.12 | semko | but lsb_release -a shows i am using sid! how is this even possible? |
| 13:36.32 | tremon | lrojas: no |
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| 13:37.10 | MeGustaCookies | Hello everyone, I'm in a live session. Can I install Debian to a partition in an extended partition? |
| 13:37.19 | tremon | semko: paste the output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy lsb-release |
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| 13:37.31 | tremon | MeGustaCookies: yes |
| 13:37.37 | DrOwl | Hi All, I have _just_ completed my upgrade to 7 from 6 using the guide on the Debian site (Chapter 4. Upgrades from Debian 6.0 (squeeze)) after rebooting i am getting quite a sizable list of packages that have "been kept back", when i do a apt upgrade, why might this be happning? |
| 13:38.18 | mumpitze1 | !tell DrOwl about kept back |
| 13:38.24 | tremon | DrOwl: either the upgrade wasn't fully finished, or your sources.list is pointing to testing instead of wheezy |
| 13:38.29 | mumpitze1 | DrOwl: probably packages which aren't from debian repos? |
| 13:38.36 | tremon | that's another possiblity :) |
| 13:39.00 | babilen | DrOwl: did you do the "apt-get dist-upgrade" in 4.4.5 ? Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:39.17 | babilen | DrOwl: Throw in "aptitude -s full-upgrade" for fun |
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| 13:39.41 | semko | tremon, here you go: http://pastebin.com/85dHSZsy and http://pastebin.com/cyAxVfkj |
| 13:39.55 | lrojas | can i assume that, currently, there is no diference between jessie and wheezy ? |
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| 13:40.16 | mtn | lrojas: you can, but you would be wrong |
| 13:40.19 | lrojas | i ask because both install python 2.7.3 and git 1.7.2 |
| 13:40.21 | JohnnyL | I created 2.2 million files that came up to 14.5 gigs. I deleted that directory of files. only 1.2 gigs were freed. what's up with that? |
| 13:40.47 | lrojas | mtn: i was expecting to see more current versions of some packages... guess i was wrong ? |
| 13:40.53 | babilen | lrojas: There are more than two packages in the Debian archive ;) |
| 13:40.53 | mtn | lrojas: packages.debian.net |
| 13:41.30 | lrojas | mtn: Sorry, down for maintenance |
| 13:41.51 | tremon | lrojas: wheezy has been frozen for almost a year, so nothing released in the past year is in stable or testing currently |
| 13:42.03 | mtn | lrojas: bummer! packages will coming in to jessie, but not all at once |
| 13:42.26 | tremon | semko: you still have references to unstable somewhere. what's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
| 13:42.32 | lrojas | babilen: yes, i know... i just mentioned those 2 because they are the ones i was looking for the most ( python development and git ) and the version is close to the same as the one in the previous debian release |
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| 13:42.39 | semko | tremon, just a minute |
| 13:42.42 | babilen | Well, they still have to transition from unstable, but there were around 2750 packages that migrated directly after the release |
| 13:42.43 | mtn | lrojas: my mistake: packages.debian.org |
| 13:42.56 | babilen | judd: v git |
| 13:42.57 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; jessie: 1:1.7.10.4-2; sid: 1:1.7.10.4-2; experimental: 1:1.8.3~rc1-1 |
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| 13:43.38 | DrOwl | http://paste.debian.net/3137/ |
| 13:43.39 | JohnnyL | I created 2.2 million files that came up to 14.5 gigs. I deleted that directory of files. only 1.2 gigs were freed. what's up with that? |
| 13:43.48 | DrOwl | =) |
| 13:44.02 | babilen | lrojas: I'm sure that git 1.8.3 will be uploaded to unstable soon and then it will take the normal route to jessie. Can't tell you when it arrives as that depends the question if bugs are found or not, but it will be at least 10 days. |
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| 13:44.25 | semko | tremon, yes you are right. i have a file for iceweasel and icedove. its content: #iceweasel beta repo |
| 13:44.25 | semko | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ experimental iceweasel-beta |
| 13:44.25 | semko | #icedove repo |
| 13:44.25 | semko | deb http://mirrors.telianet.dk/debian/ unstable main |
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| 13:44.50 | babilen | DrOwl: ping? |
| 13:44.53 | mtn | JohnnyL: you obviously are mistaken about one number or the other. perhaps they aren't acutally deleted? in trash, perhaps? |
| 13:45.01 | lrojas | babilen: son in short, i should keep calm and track testing ? |
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| 13:45.14 | semko | oops |
| 13:45.35 | DrOwl | i updated repos ; apt-get updated ; apt-get dist-upgrade ; reboot ; removed sqeeze repo;apt-get cleann all ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:46.02 | babilen | lrojas: I am in no position to tell you what you should do ;) -- If you want to track testing then, by all means, do that. I would recommend a <tum> system though and all this is not supported here but in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:46.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell lrojas -about tum |
| 13:46.27 | babilen | DrOwl: Mind showing me the output/info I asked about earlier? |
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| 13:47.02 | tremon | babilen: <DrOwl> http://paste.debian.net/3137/ |
| 13:47.03 | lrojas | babilen: thanks, i replied with a bit of tongue in check... did not know about tum, thanks |
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| 13:47.33 | babilen | tremon: Ah, thanks ... missed that :) |
| 13:47.35 | DrOwl | babilen: i missed the -s dist-upgrade doing that now |
| 13:47.47 | semko | tremon, do you use icedove? |
| 13:47.54 | babilen | ah, always with the commenting ... /me cleans the paste |
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| 13:48.08 | tremon | semko: no, using claws |
| 13:48.40 | semko | tremon, because mozilla.debian.net suggest i use this repo for icedove on wheezy: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian unstable main |
| 13:48.43 | DrOwl | babilen: Arr yes i showed the full content ;) |
| 13:48.45 | babilen | DrOwl: Well, the procedure in the release notes is to run "apt-get upgrade" first and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 13:49.07 | DrOwl | babilen: thats what i did |
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| 13:49.26 | tremon | semko: they're behind the curve, that's no longer true since wheezy was released last weekend (and if it is still true, it is bad advice) |
| 13:49.29 | DrOwl | opps i missed that from list list! |
| 13:49.37 | babilen | DrOwl: Let me clean that while you paste the output of "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" |
| 13:50.02 | semko | tremon, so what should i do about icedove repo? stop using it? |
| 13:50.09 | tremon | ,v icedove |
| 13:50.10 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 10.0.12-1; sid: 10.0.12-1; wheezy: 10.0.12-1; experimental: 17.0.5-1 |
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| 13:50.44 | tremon | semko: yes, you should remove unstable. However, you are probably already running some flavour of frankendebian right now |
| 13:50.58 | semko | tremon, oh noes! :( |
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| 13:51.24 | tremon | semko: not sure which version you're using, but wheezy has icedove 10, the same version as in unstable |
| 13:51.27 | babilen | DrOwl: Your sources.list list looks okay, but we prefer if people use ftp.CC.debian.org and not ftp.debian.org (you use the latter for backports, maybe use .us. in there too) |
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| 13:52.07 | semko | tremon, i am using v 10 of icedove |
| 13:52.33 | semko | so i deleted that repo |
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| 13:53.17 | babilen | dpkg: not available |
| 13:53.17 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 13:53.49 | DrOwl | babilen: the paste of "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" is tobig |
| 13:53.51 | babilen | semko: Mind using http://paste.debian.net/3105/ as sources.list for wheezy (or something comparable) and then running "apt-get update" follow by that ^^^^^ search? |
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| 13:54.12 | babilen | DrOwl: Okay, does it want to upgrade those packages when you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 13:54.28 | SuperNull | hey guys LGA2011 is the newest intel socket right? |
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| 13:56.43 | mumpitze1 | SuperNull: in a way, yes. in a month there will be a new socket |
| 13:56.44 | DrOwl | babilen: Oh yes it does! |
| 13:56.44 | tremon | SuperNull: no. but you're asking in the wrong channel, try #wikipedia |
| 13:57.02 | DrOwl | im sure all this completed before! |
| 13:57.07 | mumpitze1 | tremon: for "consumer" hardware it is. only xeon have a newer socket |
| 13:57.08 | babilen | DrOwl: so, i guess that you didn't run this before (that is you forgot 4.4.5 in the release notes) -- just continue with the ugprade |
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| 13:57.42 | semko | babilen, yes my sources.list is like that and after removing that stupid icedove repo lsb_release tells me that i am using wheezy now :) though that might not be the case |
| 13:57.50 | tremon | no, haswell will be running on lga1150. Not sure if any boards are commercially available though :) |
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| 13:58.40 | DrOwl | babilen: nope i deffently did that |
| 13:58.49 | semko | but a "cat /etc/issue" tells me diffrenetly: Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid \n \l |
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| 13:58.58 | semko | :s |
| 13:59.09 | tremon | semko: yes, see the command babilen asked you to run above |
| 13:59.10 | babilen | semko: Please run "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" and show me the output of that on http://paste.debian.net please |
| 13:59.19 | tremon | and just asked again :) |
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| 13:59.40 | babilen | semko: So, looks as if you upgraded at least *some* packages ... but don't worry, we can fix this. |
| 13:59.48 | babilen | tremon: hehe :) |
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| 13:59.57 | DrOwl | it even has it in my upgrade-wheezystep.script |
| 14:00.01 | babilen | tremon: I didn't even complain about having to mention this *again* :-D |
| 14:00.06 | DrOwl | ill just let it do it again! |
| 14:00.16 | babilen | DrOwl: May I see that script? |
| 14:00.37 | DrOwl | babilen: sure let me upload it to my server |
| 14:00.47 | babilen | DrOwl: (unless you are afraid to show me all your typos) -- also congratulations for actually following the release notes and recording the session! |
| 14:01.02 | babilen | DrOwl: If only every user would do that :) |
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| 14:02.17 | semko | babilen, here are the results: http://pastebin.com/eScj72vz and http://pastebin.com/9bUn1w6v |
| 14:02.35 | dussec | does a ThinkPad's built in uvc webcam work with wheezy? |
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| 14:02.55 | DrOwl | babilen: =) im not afraid of typos... i have been at this game for far to long to give a monkeys (cheks hi didnt type any PW's first) |
| 14:03.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell semko -about pastebin.com |
| 14:04.55 | lrojas | why pastebin over gist ? |
| 14:05.20 | babilen | semko: Okay, you *did* install quite a number of packages from unstable. We might be able to fix this, but this might go horribly wrong and break your system as we do not officially support downgrades. |
| 14:05.35 | babilen | lrojas: gist is fine ... it is simply that pastebin.com is horrible |
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| 14:06.12 | tremon | babilen: pastebin.com is a lot less troublesome if you disable javascript |
| 14:06.40 | DrOwl | babilen: i sent you a msg, the file is ~ 2.5Mb ;) |
| 14:06.46 | DrOwl | maybe i should of zipped it |
| 14:06.54 | semko | babilen, so just keep it as it is now? |
| 14:07.27 | jhutchins_wk | So all of these naieve users you guys have been recommending wheezy to for the last several months are now having the fun ride that is the upgrade to jessie because they used "testing" in their sources.list. |
| 14:08.05 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: no, they're not. Some have simply followed mdn's advice to install icedove from sid |
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| 14:08.26 | babilen | semko: Please run create a /etc/apt/preferences file (or edit it if it exists) with the content in http://paste.debian.net/3145/ -- I also pasted a suitable sources.list -- Continue with running "apt-get update" and show me the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:09.54 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: Yeah, there's been plenty of advice on how sid will add inches to your version numbers as well. |
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| 14:10.42 | tremon | sad part is, mdn is /still/ issuing that advice today, even though it correctly shows wheezy as stable |
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| 14:12.29 | babilen | DrOwl: yeah, you didn't run "apt-get dist-upgrade" after the "apt-get upgrade" step ... you did the "trivual only" one, but you didn't finish with the dist-upgrade ... |
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| 14:12.51 | babilen | DrOwl: I take it that it ran through and that you are in the upgrading process now |
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| 14:14.08 | babilen | DrOwl: (see line 5246 ... you started by typing "apt-get dist-upgrade" then deleted that and actually ran "apt-get update" again (after having seen the old commands) |
| 14:14.53 | babilen | DrOwl: What is more problematic is that you ran into the "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" problem that is discussed in the release notes as well |
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| 14:14.59 | DrOwl | babilen: OH How silly of me |
| 14:15.12 | DrOwl | I guess i should not try to do mor ethen one thing at a time |
| 14:15.33 | DrOwl | babilen: i have just seen that yes! |
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| 14:16.00 | babilen | DrOwl: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#immediate-configure in particular .. It might make sense to simply remove openjdk-6-jdk for now if "apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0" doesn't work as well. |
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| 14:16.34 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 14:16.35 | dpkg | Try: (a) upgrade in 2 steps: apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade (b) apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 (c) add squeeze back into sources.list; apt-get update; try again. (d) apt-get install apt; try again (e) apt-get install badpackage; try again (f) apt-get remove badpackage; apt-get install badpackage; try again (g) dpkg -r --force-depends badpackage; apt-get -f install; try again. |
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| 14:17.05 | babilen | DrOwl: ^^^^ (things to try (fubar increasing)) |
| 14:17.33 | DrOwl | babilen: Thank you |
| 14:17.43 | babilen | DrOwl: Let me know how you get along |
| 14:17.44 | DrOwl | ill slap my slef a few time and start again |
| 14:18.01 | babilen | nah, not necessary :) |
| 14:18.21 | babilen | semko: How are you getting along? |
| 14:18.26 | semko | babilen, here are the outputs: http://paste.debian.net/3149/ and http://paste.debian.net/3150/ |
| 14:18.40 | babilen | ah, speaking of/to the devil :D |
| 14:18.44 | semko | :p |
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| 14:19.53 | babilen | semko: Are you sure that you created /etc/apt/preferences with the content I suggested? Did you run "apt-get update" after doing that? |
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| 14:20.02 | tremon | babilen: what's your goal? if you want to force downgrades, no need prio >1000 |
| 14:20.14 | babilen | semko: Please check again, run "apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade" and show me that output |
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| 14:20.25 | babilen | tremon: did I paste the one with priority 900? |
| 14:20.28 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 14:20.30 | tremon | yes |
| 14:20.33 | babilen | grr |
| 14:20.44 | babilen | Sorry :) |
| 14:20.50 | babilen | tremon: thanks :) |
| 14:20.58 | semko | baba, should i change the prioirty? |
| 14:21.09 | semko | babilen, should i change the priority? |
| 14:21.17 | babilen | semko: Okay, yes, please change it to 1001 (this priority will cause packages to be downgraded) |
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| 14:23.54 | anddam | jelly-home: offlineimap seems very nice but how can I specify a filter for more than one folder? |
| 14:24.23 | anddam | I'm looking at http://docs.offlineimap.org/en/latest/FAQ.html#i-get-a-mailbox-already-exists-error but I don't know how to specify more than one condition the folder shouldn't be in |
| 14:25.02 | semko | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/3155/ and http://paste.debian.net/3157/ |
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| 14:25.24 | semko | second one is huge! |
| 14:25.39 | tremon | and it lacks newlines ;) |
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| 14:26.34 | tremon | semko: those are all packages that have been upgraded to jessie already. If you want to return to wheezy, you'll need to rerun the full-upgrade without the -s |
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| 14:27.22 | semko | tremon, that might break the system, right? |
| 14:27.24 | baba | semko: ? |
| 14:27.33 | tremon | yes, it might |
| 14:27.41 | semko | baba, disregard |
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| 14:28.02 | baba | semko: what ? |
| 14:28.15 | babilen | semko: I'm "babilen" not "baba" -- If "babilen" is too much to type then give tab-completion a try. Type: bab<TAB> |
| 14:28.23 | baba | i think instead of babilen you menitoned baba |
| 14:28.23 | anddam | nvm, found folderfilter = lambda folder: not re.search('(^Trash$|Del)', folder) |
| 14:28.37 | babilen | hugs baba |
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| 14:28.39 | touki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.43 | touki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.47 | touki | sorry |
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| 14:29.07 | babilen | judd: v python-scipy |
| 14:29.08 | judd | Package: python-scipy on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.2+dfsg1-1; jessie: 0.10.1+dfsg2-1; sid: 0.10.1+dfsg2-1; wheezy: 0.10.1+dfsg2-1; experimental: 0.11.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 14:29.09 | baba | :) :) |
| 14:29.34 | semko | tremon, how about i track jessie instead? |
| 14:29.44 | baba | thanks babilen for the hug |
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| 14:29.50 | semko | would that be a better idea? |
| 14:29.57 | babilen | touki: 0.9.0 is not in squeeze (nor wheezy) -- You can install it in a virtualenv on squeeze or upgrade to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) and use 0.10.1 |
| 14:30.35 | touki | babilen, ok. So virtualenv, seems the best way for me. |
| 14:30.46 | touki | babilen: ty ;) |
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| 14:31.06 | babilen | semko: Well, I know of two users who performed that downgrade successfully today ... It *might* break, but it might just work. Tracking jessie is tricky as it is very new and you will have to be able to deal with problems and transitions. I would probably recommend to use wheezy. |
| 14:31.30 | tremon | semko: it depends on what you want. Downgrading now might break things, but if you don't downgrading you'll be running jessie all the while through testing. You risk breakage every day (small risk), but you will encounter packages disappearing or upgrading at any time |
| 14:31.39 | babilen | touki: You are welcome -- I furthermore recommend to use virtualenvwrapper and pip to manage your virtualenv(s) |
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| 14:31.55 | tremon | if you don't /downgrade/, of course |
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| 14:33.31 | semko | tremon, well, i've been using wheezy while it was in testing and not many problems appeared. i think i can risk using jessie. |
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| 14:34.11 | nkuttler | semko: famous last words.. |
| 14:34.23 | babilen | semko: You mean for a year before the freeze? If you only used testing during the freeze you won't know what you have to face. |
| 14:34.35 | babilen | face now that is |
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| 14:35.47 | semko | ok ok i will downgrade then. |
| 14:35.58 | semko | got scared |
| 14:36.15 | babilen | semko: Well, it might also be interesting and fascinating! |
| 14:36.47 | tremon | semko: especially the first few months after a release are interesting. Debian sid has a year's worth of catching up to do |
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| 14:37.24 | nkuttler | semko: nah, it's fun. really. assuming you don't do anything important on that box |
| 14:38.04 | semko | nkuttler, nothing important. but reinstalling debian is takes a long time for me. |
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| 14:38.30 | nkuttler | semko: i never had to reinstall.. been running unstable for like a decade |
| 14:38.54 | htor | mumpitze1: somehow gnome now workds |
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| 14:39.28 | nkuttler | semko: fwiw, if you have more than one box you can use apt-cacher-ng or something, that should speed up things |
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| 14:39.55 | tremon | semko: well it's your machine. If you intend to run jessie, don't forget to edit both preferences and sources.list |
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| 14:41.00 | htor | okay, next question: what's a good way/nice tool to automount disks? |
| 14:41.05 | semko | tremon, maybe later. let's see how this downgrade turns out first. |
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| 14:41.14 | msn | htor: automounter? |
| 14:41.45 | htor | msn: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs ? |
| 14:41.54 | DrOwl | babilen: Well after getting openjdk-6-jre removed, i had an "immediate configuration" issue for perl, so i tried a "apt-get install apt", which would not work due to deps so i lamed out and did a "appitude install apt" which spent a lot of time updating, now the dist-upgrade is working |
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| 14:42.20 | DrOwl | wish i had started a script again now |
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| 14:42.27 | babilen | DrOwl: *phew* |
| 14:42.32 | shaunlewis | If I were to start tracking testing, I'm guessing I would have no need for the 'wheezy-updates' repo, right? Is there any equivalent for jessie? |
| 14:42.47 | babilen | DrOwl: this upgrade really is, well, ... argh! |
| 14:42.52 | Terminus | htor: autofs works. i fooled around with it before but never really needed it. with gnome, it's some gvfs magic IIRC. |
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| 14:43.09 | DrOwl | babilen: i was a little worries while aptitude was "fixing" apt, but hay |
| 14:43.19 | babilen | yeah |
| 14:43.26 | semko | tremon, would this (http://paste.debian.net/3162/) be a correct sources.list for tracking jessie? |
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| 14:43.34 | htor | Terminus: you mean using autofs with gnome is some gvfs magic? |
| 14:43.38 | tremon | shaunlewis: no. there is no need for a testing-updates, because packages there can always be freely updated |
| 14:43.51 | DrOwl | babilen: i did this on my home box with no issues but it was quite a fresh install, this one has been treated ruff |
| 14:43.56 | Terminus | htor: no. i mean gnome doesn't use autofs at all. it uses gvfs. |
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| 14:44.16 | shaunlewis | tremon: I thought as much, thanks |
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| 14:44.29 | babilen | semko: t-p-u will not really be used much these days and security is also empty ... I wouldn't recommend debian-multimedia, but apart from that it is alright. |
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| 14:44.40 | tremon | semko: it would be correct, but not desirable. If you keep using that, you'll run again into problems the day after jessie is released |
| 14:45.02 | tremon | semko: so use jessie instead of testing |
| 14:45.10 | semko | ok |
| 14:45.36 | babilen | semko: The whole issue is a bit more complicated. (how could it not be?) |
| 14:45.40 | htor | Terminus: aha, i need to automatically mount a ntfs disk. gvfs won't do that for me it seems. i need root perms |
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| 14:46.13 | Terminus | htor: you mean on boot? if it's gonna be mounted all the time, just put it in /etc/fstab. |
| 14:46.14 | tremon | htor: if the disk is static, you can add "user" to fstab |
| 14:46.59 | babilen | semko: first and foremost: Read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- You have the decide between three possible setups: 1. Track jessie 2. Track testing 3. Track testing and unstable with default release set to testing 4. Track unstable (with testing also in your sources.list) |
| 14:47.05 | babilen | s/three poss/four poss/ |
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| 14:47.59 | _jam_ | i was following these instructions for migrating sudo http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#package-specific-issues |
| 14:48.03 | babilen | semko: The difference between these is if you are able to pull packages from unstable if you need them (with "apt-get -t unstable install PKG") and the behaviour once jessie is released. |
| 14:48.07 | htor | Terminus: tremon: until now i've been using the fstab method |
| 14:48.14 | _jam_ | now i'm locked out of sudo due to a parse error |
| 14:48.20 | htor | just wanted to know if there was a better way |
| 14:48.38 | Terminus | htor: /etc/fstab is the simplest way i know of. |
| 14:48.46 | htor | hmm okay |
| 14:48.52 | htor | nice :-) |
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| 14:49.07 | semko | babilen, that would be option 3? |
| 14:49.14 | _jam_ | actually, I cp'd my old file to sudoer.d instead of mv'ing |
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| 14:49.21 | tremon | htor: I only have experience with autofs, and it can do what you ask, but it's primarily intended for automounting network resources. If there are simpler tools, I don't know them |
| 14:49.22 | babilen | semko: I would probably recommend 3 for now as it gives you the maximum amount of flexibility while still being a little bit tested ... "/msg dpkg tum" describes that setup. |
| 14:50.00 | _jam_ | is there a way for me to recover access? there is no root account. i was going to reboot into a live drive, but I don't have sudo to reboot |
| 14:50.13 | _jam_ | if anyone has a better suggestion than REISUB, i'd like to hear it |
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| 14:50.40 | tremon | _jam_: init=/bin/bash on the kernel command line |
| 14:50.40 | babilen | semko: Keep in mind that there is (now) no security support for testing and that fixes for (potentially horrible) bugs are uploaded to unstable and will then take at least 10 days to migrate into testing. This is why you want to be able to pull from unstable if the need arises. |
| 14:51.32 | semko | babilen, ok thank you |
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| 14:52.01 | _jam_ | tremon: sorry, kernel command line? you mean as a boot option to grub? |
| 14:52.02 | babilen | semko: Running this setup is *work* and your system might break. You might loose data and your computer might contract somebody to steal your garden gnomes. But it is also interesting and challenging. |
| 14:52.15 | MarGarina | Woohoo sid unfrozen haha! |
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| 14:52.25 | babilen | semko: And then ... support and discussion happens in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:52.42 | tremon | _jam_: yes. Select the normal boot option, press E and add init=... to the kernel line (the line with root=) |
| 14:52.44 | jelly-home | anddam: the filters are basically python code, so you can do anything |
| 14:53.08 | _jam_ | tremon: ok, but I'm trying to figure out how to reboot while cleanly unmounting the disks and whatnot |
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| 14:53.26 | tremon | _jam_: did you disable ctrl-alt-delete? |
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| 14:54.22 | tremon | also, the power button works as a soft-off if you have installed acpid |
| 14:54.26 | jelly-home | anddam: there's a modest-sized #offlineimap channel here on freenode |
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| 14:55.25 | dussec | I have a ThinkPad T510 with an integrated UVC webcam but I can't use it because there is nothing like /dev/video* |
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| 14:55.40 | dussec | any idea why? |
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| 14:56.16 | Feigr | Hello, I am trying my hand at getting WoW running in Wine on Debian 7, but when I launch the installer exe with wine it gets stuck on "Check for updates..." and it does not use any bandwidth. The program does not hang but it just doesn't do anything |
| 14:56.17 | _jam_ | oh, i do have acpid installed. trying that |
| 14:56.37 | Feigr | I have no configured wine in any way yet, it's just vanilla Debian 7 version |
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| 14:58.04 | jelly-home | dussec: which debian release, and which kernel? |
| 14:58.30 | jelly-home | dussec: is the camera device visible in lsusb? |
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| 15:00.29 | dussec | jelly-home: I am using this live system: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso |
| 15:00.44 | dussec | jelly-home: and I don't find the cam in lsusb's output |
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| 15:01.15 | dussec | jelly-home: lsusb -v gives no line that matches "cam" |
| 15:01.18 | jhutchins_wk | dussec: What about lspci? |
| 15:01.32 | jhutchins_wk | dussec: Does lsusb give any unidentified devices? |
| 15:01.46 | dussec | jhutchins_wk: same |
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| 15:02.06 | jelly-home | dussec: you will have to figure how to enablethe device, first, if it's not present on any usb bus |
| 15:03.04 | dussec | jelly-home: according to thinkwiki, Fn+F6 does nothing. But there are people who told me that their camera is working and they haven't done anything special |
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| 15:03.55 | jelly-home | dussec: also, ##ibmthinkpad |
| 15:04.11 | dussec | jhutchins_wk: lsusb -v gives no line that matches "unident" (insensitive) |
| 15:05.19 | dussec | jelly-home: thanks, I'll ask there |
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| 15:14.23 | freaky[t] | hi all. i got a question about clamav. instaling the current version says outdated i should update. now, what debian squeeze repo has the most recent clamav version always? |
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| 15:14.53 | sigma__ | are you sure it's not just the virus definitions that are out of date? |
| 15:15.07 | freaky[t] | yes |
| 15:15.50 | freaky[t] | ClamAV update process started at Thu May 9 17:15:14 2013 |
| 15:15.51 | freaky[t] | WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! |
| 15:15.51 | freaky[t] | WARNING: Local version: 0.97.6 Recommended version: 0.97.8 |
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| 15:16.02 | sigma__ | I'm not sure which repo would have the newest version, but if having the absolute latest version is imperative you might consider compiling from source |
| 15:16.20 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions clamav |
| 15:16.21 | judd | Package: clamav on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 0.97.3+dfsg-1~squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.97.5+dfsg-3~squeeze1; squeeze: 0.97.6+dfsg-1~squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.97.8+dfsg-1~squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 0.97.8+dfsg-1~squeeze1; jessie: 0.97.8+dfsg-1; sid: 0.97.8+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.97.8+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:16.44 | freaky[t] | so is it squeeze-updates ?P |
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| 15:16.57 | barbado | Still cannot believe Debian's merchandise page points only to PayPal stuff. No Bitcoin reference whatsoever :-/ |
| 15:17.16 | sigma__ | can't say I blame them |
| 15:17.38 | jhutchins_wk | barbado: They don't have the translation into Klingon either! |
| 15:18.07 | sigma__ | imagine getting a decent bitcoin donation only to have the market bottom out before you can cash them out |
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| 15:19.11 | freaky[t] | ok so can anyone tell me what line i have to add to sources.list to have the most recent version of clamav available in my packages list? |
| 15:19.12 | Dagger2 | sigma__: imagine getting a decent bitcoin donation, only to have the market explode before you can cash them out |
| 15:20.00 | jhutchins_wk | !squeze sources.list |
| 15:20.06 | jhutchins_wk | !squeeze sources.list |
| 15:20.07 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
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| 15:20.28 | Dagger2 | sigma__: (besides, the sort of people who would use bitcoin are also the sort of people who wouldn't use paypal, so as things stand we're just getting nothing from them) |
| 15:21.03 | tremon | freaky[t]: the most recent version is always the one in sid, but you probably aren't running sid. So, $stable-updates is probably correct |
| 15:21.14 | barbado | Will always fight for Debian. I'm just saying suggesting/presenting Bitcoin for those web site owners would be interesting. |
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| 15:21.54 | freaky[t] | ok thank you i got the right repo. how do i now install the clamav from the debian-updates repo? |
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| 15:23.17 | tremon | freaky[t]: can you post the output of apt-cache policy clamav after adding the line and having run apt-get update? |
| 15:23.24 | barbado | After all, they're being mentioned on http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise which is pretty much an honor to anyone. |
| 15:24.19 | jhutchins_wk | I think we need to encourage more people to use sid so we'll have something to do here. |
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| 15:25.00 | jhutchins_wk | freaky[t]: Once you have your sources.list fixed it should take precedence. |
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| 15:25.29 | jhutchins_wk | freaky[t]: I wouldn't worry about it much though, RHEL is pretty much constantly out of date and clamav still works as well as it works. |
| 15:25.46 | jhutchins_wk | Not that clamav actually does anything useful, it just allows you to check the box on the security requirements. |
| 15:26.10 | freaky[t] | oh yes it does thanks |
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| 15:26.13 | freaky[t] | no i want the latest ;D |
| 15:26.16 | freaky[t] | thank you very much for your help ;D |
| 15:26.18 | jhutchins_wk | It will not prevent malware from destroying your windows systems. |
| 15:27.57 | tremon | I'm not sure about not worrying about clamav, I had to fix a freebsd mail system a couple of years ago that started bouncing all mail, because the clamav version had broken itself by downloading a signature update file that it couldn't parse |
| 15:28.29 | lrojas | sorry if this question seems stupid, is there any way to have a similar functionality to sudo / visudo for su ? i mean, is there a way to configure su so it does not ask me for password like what i can configure in visudo ? |
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| 15:30.10 | syneo | l |
| 15:30.12 | syneo | hello all ! |
| 15:30.22 | tremon | lrojas: I don't think you can, other than hacking su's pam configuration |
| 15:30.57 | syneo | maybe you could give me some help, i have an USB device working only if i disconnect and reconnect the device. |
| 15:31.32 | lrojas | tremon: cool, figure as much, was just thinking about not installing sudo or... but i gess i do need sudo... |
| 15:31.37 | syneo | is there a solution to start the probing of an usb device frome the command line ? |
| 15:31.50 | syneo | from * |
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| 15:33.24 | syneo | no way to do that ? |
| 15:33.41 | syneo | i work on an embedded car olinuxino. |
| 15:33.45 | syneo | card* |
| 15:34.35 | uwjesq | My system partition is full while I am doing a dist upgrade. Any idea how I can free some space? I have plenty of space on other partitions. |
| 15:35.24 | syneo | rm -R / :D |
| 15:35.48 | tremon | uwjesq: use du to find which directory holds the most files. Move it off-partition and replace it with a symlink. Start by checking the size of /var/cache/apt |
| 15:36.09 | tremon | err, holds the most data of course. number of files isn't really relevant :) |
| 15:36.34 | syneo | tremon, have you some advices for me ? |
| 15:36.47 | lrojas | if i want to check if a package is installed, should dpkg-query -l list the package ? |
| 15:37.07 | tremon | syneo: nope, I don't know how to trigger usb devicescan. Maybe ask ##linux? |
| 15:37.30 | Brigo | uwjesq: yes make apt-get clean to delete de packages and make partial upgrades |
| 15:37.39 | syneo | ok |
| 15:37.59 | Brigo | uwjesq: yes: make apt-get clean to delete some packages and then make partial upgrades |
| 15:38.10 | boudiccas | i have 2 usb drives called "backup", but one has renamed itself "backup_", how do i rename it as 'back2' please. every time i've tried '; sudo mv /media/backup_ /media/back2' its come back as 'mv: cannot move ‘/media/backup_’ to ‘/media/back2’: Device or resource busy' |
| 15:38.12 | syneo | #connect |
| 15:38.16 | tremon | lrojas: yes |
| 15:38.17 | lrojas | for instance, dpkg-query -l 'openssh*' , dpkg -s openssh-client and apt-cache show openssh-client give different results |
| 15:38.36 | lrojas | this is a newly minted system |
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| 15:38.56 | lrojas | so nothing is yet installed ( other that what the installed put ) |
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| 15:39.16 | boudiccas | lroe: are you actually using debian rather than debian mint? |
| 15:39.24 | lrojas | tremon: not working for me.. |
| 15:39.30 | Brigo | boudiccas: e2label device newlabel |
| 15:39.33 | lrojas | boudiccas: i am using debian wheezy |
| 15:39.35 | boudiccas | lrojas: are you actually using debian rather than debian mint? |
| 15:39.41 | Brigo | tune2fs can change label |
| 15:39.42 | caravel | points syneo to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines#In_no_circumstance.2C_what_not_to_do (hi all) |
| 15:39.49 | boudiccas | thanks brigo |
| 15:40.21 | tremon | lrojas: apt-cache doesn't care whether a package is installed, and dpkg -s gives you more information, hopefully not different |
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| 15:41.03 | tremon | lrojas: it would help if you explain what information is given, and what information you think is not correct (hint: paste.debian.net) |
| 15:41.03 | jelly-home | lrojas: can you show the actual output of those commands and point out what you think is different? |
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| 15:41.26 | jelly-home | s/different/inconsistent/ |
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| 15:41.36 | lrojas | tremon, dpkg -s openssh-client gives 'not installed and no information available', dpkg-query -l returns no package named openssh-client, yet apt-cache shows info for it but no installed status |
| 15:41.43 | uwjesq | Should I abort the dist upgrade? |
| 15:42.21 | jelly-home | lrojas: each of those mean "not installed" |
| 15:42.50 | tremon | lrojas: ah, the way you phrased your initial question suggested to me that you did have the package installed |
| 15:42.56 | lrojas | jelly-home: but i thought dpkg-query -l would list all packages even those not installed |
| 15:43.32 | tremon | lrojas: no, dpkg-query lists the packages that dpkg knows about. That are only the packages that have once been installed, or have been pulled in as part of dselect update |
| 15:43.50 | jelly-home | lrojas: incorrect, it only lists what's installed or present in the dpkg "available" database, and that database is largerly irrelevant |
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| 15:44.06 | lrojas | tremon, i am trying to avoid doing apt-get install <packaged> and then having said packaged marked as manual ( don't even know what marked as manual is, but i have had that happened to me ) |
| 15:44.23 | tremon | if you use apt, dpkg's archive isn't filled. This is mentioned explicitly in man dpkg, see --update-avail |
| 15:44.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell lrojas about available |
| 15:44.49 | jhutchins_wk | lrojas: It means you installed the package directly instead of it having been pulled in by something else. There's no reason to avoid it. |
| 15:44.55 | tremon | lrojas: why is having packages marked manual a problem? Isn't that exactly what should happen if you manually install a package? |
| 15:45.35 | lrojas | tremon, i am just wary that they will not auto-update... sorry if i don't make sense, still learning |
| 15:45.54 | tremon | that's not what manual means |
| 15:46.27 | tremon | if a package is set to auto-installed (i.e. not manual), apt-get autoremove will remove it from the system if no other package depends on it |
| 15:46.30 | lrojas | so lets say i have packageA installed and i accidentally do apt-get install packageA, would that still be ok, even if it marks it as manual ? |
| 15:46.39 | lrojas | ahh |
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| 15:48.34 | tremon | to carry on your train of though, if you install packageA and packageB is pulled in as a dependency, then remove packageA, apt-get will tell you that you have stale packages (and aptitude will remove them immediately). If you install packageA and packageB explicitly, both get marked as manual, so packageB will not get removed if you remove packageA |
| 15:48.43 | tremon | s/though/&t/ |
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| 15:50.01 | lrojas | thanks, that is much more clearer now |
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| 15:50.27 | tremon | good, I was starting to get lost in my own sentence :) |
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| 15:53.20 | OiPolloi | Hello. When installing a .deb package which asks the user for configuration parameters (at the end of the installation), is there any way to skip that part? ie. only install the package, don't configure it? |
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| 15:54.23 | DrOwl | Wohoo, upgrade _complete_ |
| 15:54.47 | nkuttler | OiPolloi: you can change the debconf priority for what gets asked, but that won't eleminitate everything |
| 15:54.56 | nkuttler | OiPolloi: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, see also /msg dpkg preseeding |
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| 15:55.45 | OiPolloi | Sorry, my IRC client crashed, don't know if any one answered. |
| 15:55.54 | nkuttler | OiPolloi: you can change the debconf priority for what gets asked, but that won't eleminitate everything |
| 15:55.57 | nkuttler | OiPolloi: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, see also /msg dpkg preseeding |
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| 15:56.41 | val_erie | I have an application that requires python2.7. What is the best way to limit the access of the app to version 2.7? |
| 15:56.48 | OiPolloi | Mmmm.. Interesting… I think that may be the way… Thanks, nkuttler. |
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| 15:57.43 | tremon | val_erie: "limit"? |
| 15:58.02 | tremon | methinks the easiest way is to only install python 2.7 |
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| 15:59.41 | val_erie | tremon, for example if I have python version 3 also installed, I do not want it to interfere, since the app can only run with python2.7 |
| 16:00.27 | SpeedyG | hey guys, I'm having this issue that I have no audio after i've upgraded from squeeze to wheezy but somehow can't find whats causing it... anyone have pointers where to look? I'm using pulse/alsa on a snd_hda_intel chip |
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| 16:01.26 | tremon | val_erie: I'm no python expert, but the easiest way would be to always start it with the correct interpreter, i.e. start it with python2.7 $app, or make the first line #! /usr/bin/python2.7 |
| 16:01.34 | npic | SpeedyG: I'd start with lsmod | grep snd |
| 16:01.47 | SpeedyG | npic: that shows that modules are loaded |
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| 16:01.55 | tremon | !tell SpeedyG about alsa checklist |
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| 16:04.34 | oops_im_a_sysadm | Hello! I'm trying to get an init script (sysv style, not upstart or anything else) to launch a ruby script as a regular user with that user's rbenv/bundle environment. I have simple start.sh and stop.sh scripts to handle the ruby script, which work when run as the regular user. I keep trying variations on sudo arguments and sticky bits in the init script which calls start.sh and stop.sh, but I can't get the ruby environment completely there. Can |
| 16:04.35 | oops_im_a_sysadm | anyone please tell me the proper way to handle this? Thanks for any help! |
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| 16:06.11 | tharkun | oops_im_a_sysadm: your script will run on a dash/bash/(whatever shell you installed) environment, set it up exactly as you want it. there is no rc file on your startup script that will set that for you. |
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| 16:06.15 | tremon | oops_im_a_sysadm: setup the rbenv in the same start script too? |
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| 16:07.25 | SpeedyG | thanks tremon, that checklist was helpful! :) |
| 16:07.38 | SpeedyG | audio works now again :) |
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| 16:08.18 | oops_im_a_sysadm | tharkun: the start.sh starts with #!/bin/bash |
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| 16:09.35 | oops_im_a_sysadm | tremon: I tried explicitly sourcing the .bash_profile in start.sh, but no help. Also tried adding in eval "$(rbenv init -)", no help |
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| 16:10.42 | tremon | oops_im_a_sysadm: sadly, you really do need to figure out what's different between the two environments, start by comparing the output of set in both situations |
| 16:12.12 | lrojas | quick question: why can't i do apt-get install python-dev-all ( see https://gist.github.com/onedeveloper/33d799a8acd7ae8db4ae ) |
| 16:12.16 | val_erie | tremon, I need to choose between using a python virtual environment or placing python2.7 version in shell's $PATH by creating a new directory at the front of $PATH and makinga symbolic link to python in that directory. I would like to know which of these two ways is more solid |
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| 16:13.06 | funnybunny | val_erie: why? can't you just have your script call #!/usr/bin/python2.7 ? |
| 16:13.45 | val_erie | funnybunny, it is not a script , it as a package |
| 16:13.46 | funnybunny | ...that is the most solid way i know of since it doesn't depend on some symlinks or anything and makes sure that you don't try to run it with an incompatible python version |
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| 16:14.08 | funnybunny | val_erie: surely that package is to be used by a script |
| 16:14.25 | tremon | val_erie: a pypi virtual environment is more solid, the question more whether you're wasting your time with that option |
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| 16:15.31 | tremon | I still don't get the problem, since debian ships with 2.7 as the default and I don't think any python package stops working if you install python3 alongside |
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| 16:17.52 | lrojas | tremon: why i get this? https://gist.github.com/onedeveloper/33d799a8acd7ae8db4ae |
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| 16:19.47 | tremon | semko: /msg dpkg tum works too |
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| 16:19.56 | tremon | ,v python-dev-all |
| 16:19.57 | judd | No package named 'python-dev-all' was found in i386. |
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| 16:20.07 | semko | :) |
| 16:20.51 | tremon | lrojas: because that package doesn't exist, and apparently, and at least one other package seems to think that is does |
| 16:21.13 | tremon | eats a , and |
| 16:21.52 | lrojas | tremon: thanks |
| 16:22.19 | val_erie | tremon, what if the default python changes from 2.7 to 3.0 ? |
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| 16:23.26 | mumpitze1 | too many to mention val_erie |
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| 16:23.43 | mumpitze1 | val_erie: http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html |
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| 16:25.35 | tremon | val_erie: then I hope such a change will be widely announced before release, because it would break 20% of the packages in the archive. IIRC almost all distributions ship with python as a 2.X version, even those that default to python 3 |
| 16:25.50 | tremon | Arch being the only exception I know of |
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| 16:29.10 | val_erie | tremon, thanks, I think I should not bother with virtualenv at this time, although the app that is compatible with python2.7 is going to be a long time server |
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| 16:30.55 | tremon | well, a long-time server should also have minimal updates. So there probably won't ever be an update that changes python->python3. Just make sure to document it properly, so you can always point fingers :) |
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| 16:52.59 | vellitates | could someone please help me to decompress multiple tar.gz files? they all end in a number i.e. hd1080-walle.tar.gz.001 - 405 |
| 16:54.10 | Mickeytje | for each loop |
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| 16:54.26 | vellitates | ? |
| 16:54.40 | Mickeytje | try a for in i each loop in bash |
| 16:54.54 | dussec | can I find out whether the camera is activated in BIOS without restarting the computer? With dmidecode or something? |
| 16:55.59 | Mickeytje | for in i `cat *.gz; do tar xfvz $i; done |
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| 16:56.02 | Mickeytje | something like this |
| 16:56.08 | vellitates | ok so |
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| 16:56.27 | Mickeytje | for in i `cat *.gz`; do tar xfvz $i; done |
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| 16:56.43 | vellitates | for i in *.tar.gz; do tar -xvzf $i -C hd1080-walle.tar.gz.001 /home/vellitates/Desktop |
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| 17:04.42 | enapupe | hello! I cannot fully disable screen going black, I already googled it many times but I cannot find a definitive solution :( |
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| 17:08.14 | enapupe | Should I go for jessie or stay in wheezy for a while? |
| 17:09.08 | enapupe | or is jessie too young that right now it would make almost no difference? |
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| 17:09.11 | vellitates | enapupe: do you know how to decompress multiple tar.gz files? |
| 17:09.30 | enapupe | vellitates: what do you mean multiple? |
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| 17:09.37 | enapupe | like a dir full of targz? |
| 17:09.41 | vellitates | could someone please help me to decompress multiple tar.gz files? they all end in a number i.e. hd1080-walle.tar.gz.001 - 405 |
| 17:10.02 | vellitates | it starts of with the filename.tar.gz.001 then goes all the way to 405 |
| 17:10.13 | vellitates | got no clue as to how it is decompressed |
| 17:10.33 | enapupe | vellitates: have you tried tar -zxvf filename ? |
| 17:10.39 | vellitates | yeah |
| 17:10.43 | enapupe | and? |
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| 17:10.50 | jordanm | vellitates, for i in {1..405}; do tar xvzf hd1080-walle.tar.gz.$(printf '%03d" $i); done |
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| 17:11.13 | vellitates | it gives me this messsage http://paste.debian.net/3181/ |
| 17:11.33 | jordanm | vellitates, looks like a split archive |
| 17:11.50 | enapupe | yeah.. it definitely is a split |
| 17:11.57 | jordanm | vellitates, cat hd1080-walle.tar.gz.* > hd1080-walle.tar.gz; tar xvzf hd1080-walle.tar.gz |
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| 17:12.11 | debdeb | hi |
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| 17:12.44 | vellitates | jordanm: so use this -> cat hd1080-walle.tar.gz.* > hd1080-walle.tar.gz; tar xvzf hd1080-walle.tar.gz or the first one you suggested? |
| 17:12.48 | enapupe | jordanm: i didn't knew split tar files were that simple cutted apart, cool |
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| 17:13.09 | jordanm | enapupe, if its done by the split(1) command, which it looks like it is |
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| 17:13.15 | jordanm | vellitates, latter one |
| 17:13.20 | vellitates | ok |
| 17:13.38 | enapupe | jordanm: oh.. I never thought about how it was done, I'm more like a gui user |
| 17:13.54 | ctmjr | wonders how much space you save compressing hd videos |
| 17:13.55 | enapupe | anyhow, i never thought it would be that easy to split :P |
| 17:14.11 | enapupe | ctmjr: depends on the codec? |
| 17:14.11 | debdeb | i would like to compare two partitions... file-for-file... and as a result it should present me a list of files, which are different... somwhow like a diff for a whole partition. is there a allready made program for this? |
| 17:14.14 | enapupe | ctmjr: nothing? |
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| 17:14.44 | jordanm | debdeb, rsync -n |
| 17:14.50 | debdeb | i tried it with mc (midnight-commander)... which has a funktion "compare directories"... which is fine... but not recursiv |
| 17:14.51 | jordanm | debdeb, diff -r |
| 17:14.55 | ctmjr | enapupe: that would be correct |
| 17:15.37 | enapupe | So.. no one knows how to disable screen going black? i'm pissed :( |
| 17:15.54 | debdeb | jordanm: thanks. i will look into them |
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| 17:16.15 | enapupe | even when watching movies the screen is blacking, so annoying |
| 17:16.43 | jordanm | enapupe, if you are running gnome, it probably going to be a gnome-screensaver or gnome power management option |
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| 17:16.57 | enapupe | yeah, gnome |
| 17:17.36 | enapupe | how do I disable both? |
| 17:17.39 | jordanm | enapupe, system -> preferences -> power management -> put display to sleep |
| 17:17.49 | pmade | Is there a way to list/remove all packages installed from a specific source? I'm trying to remove third-party packages before upgrading to Wheezy. |
| 17:17.54 | jordanm | if you are using a newer version of gnome, I have no idea |
| 17:18.01 | jordanm | I am still using squeeze |
| 17:18.22 | enapupe | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6171737/screenshots/screenshot-window-2013-05-09-141856.png |
| 17:18.24 | jordanm | pmade, aptitude search '~Aarchive'; aptitude remove '~Aarchive' |
| 17:18.36 | pmade | jordanm: Thanks. |
| 17:18.39 | jordanm | enapupe, looks like gnome3, I have never used it |
| 17:18.45 | enapupe | :( |
| 17:18.55 | jordanm | enapupe, but either way, "turn screen off..." |
| 17:19.05 | enapupe | nope.. that selectbox is useless |
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| 17:19.33 | jordanm | enapupe, why is it useless? |
| 17:19.34 | enapupe | screensaver is not even on session startup |
| 17:19.50 | enapupe | jordanm: because it is not what my system is reading for configuration |
| 17:20.00 | enapupe | it is blacking in less then 1h |
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| 17:24.05 | vellitates | jordanm: if/when you get the chance could you please explain the usage of '>' in cat hd1080-walle.tar.gz.* > hd1080-walle.tar.gz; tar xvzf hd1080-walle.tar.gz ? |
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| 17:24.47 | debdeb | jordanm: i am at: rsync --dry-run --recursive /mnt/usb/* /mnt/tmpusb/* ... unfortunately it doesent list a file, which is different for sure |
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| 17:26.05 | Fidelix | Help. I put Debian in a USB-Stick but the installation fails to "detect the CD-Rom" |
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| 17:26.36 | zykotick9 | Fidelix: how did you put the iso onto the usb exactly? |
| 17:26.42 | tidux | how do you stop services from setting themselves to start at boot time as soon as a package installs and then starting? |
| 17:26.44 | mumpitze1 | Fidelix: what did you ues to create the usb stick? |
| 17:26.50 | tidux | is there something in apt.conf I can set? |
| 17:27.43 | darsie | does 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 17:27.52 | ctmjr | bet's it was unetbootin |
| 17:27.57 | Fidelix | mumpitze1, zykotick9, unetbootin |
| 17:28.16 | Fidelix | 7.0 |
| 17:28.18 | mumpitze1 | ctmjr: no points for stating obvious things :P |
| 17:28.24 | mumpitze1 | Fidelix: and that's the problem |
| 17:28.25 | ctmjr | shucks |
| 17:28.37 | jordanm | debdeb, rsync -avn --delete /mnt/usb/ /mnt/tmpusb/ |
| 17:28.39 | Fidelix | What should I use instead? I'm on Windows. |
| 17:28.46 | tidux | rawrite |
| 17:28.54 | debdeb | jordanm: and dry-run ;-) |
| 17:28.56 | tidux | the debian isos can be written directly to a USB stick |
| 17:29.02 | jordanm | vellitates, it's a redirection operator for the shell. it redirects stdout to a file |
| 17:29.08 | jordanm | debdeb, -n is dry-run |
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| 17:29.15 | debdeb | jordanm: but they are mounted read-only... so nothing schould go wrong |
| 17:29.24 | debdeb | jordanm: ah ok |
| 17:29.48 | debdeb | jordanm: i will try |
| 17:29.49 | jordanm | debdeb, you were missing a -v, that's why nothing was displayed |
| 17:29.51 | tonyoy | tidux: I personally use #> update-rc.d {NAME_INIT.D_SERVICE} disable |
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| 17:30.25 | jdoles | Do I need an entry "127.0.0.1 localhost" in /etc/hosts? |
| 17:30.26 | tidux | does the "disable" option prevent an update to the package from starting the service and re-inserting it in update-rc.d ? |
| 17:30.32 | tidux | because that would be exactly what I need |
| 17:30.38 | debdeb | jordanm: i tried with -v allready.. it lists _all_ not only differences |
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| 17:31.00 | jordanm | jdoles, if you want localhospt to resolve to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:31.20 | anddam | jelly-home: I had already found the chan, thanks for replying |
| 17:31.23 | jdoles | jordanm: and why do some services fall over if you have multiple of those? |
| 17:31.29 | darsie | Hmm, I messed it up :(. |
| 17:31.45 | i00nsu | hello, if I delete /etc/apache/ how can I have all files of apache again? |
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| 17:32.36 | tonyoy | tidux: works for me (+ I keep an up to date list of these in a /etc/rc.disabled) |
| 17:32.47 | jordanm | debdeb, then try `diff -r -q /mnt/usb/ /mnt/tmpusb/` |
| 17:33.08 | jordanm | !tell i00nsu about confmiss |
| 17:33.09 | debdeb | jordanm: that will be my next try. thanks |
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| 17:34.09 | DonMartin | Anyone got Gnome3 working with Deb7/ppc? |
| 17:34.47 | tidux | my only PPC machine is a 700MHz G4 with cruddy video drivers, so no |
| 17:34.49 | vellitates | jordanm: ah ok similar to a c program statement? |
| 17:35.05 | vellitates | cout >> "hello world" something like that? |
| 17:35.20 | jordanm | isn't that a bitwise operator in C? |
| 17:35.26 | i00nsu | !tell i00nsu about ucf confmiss |
| 17:35.41 | vellitates | no idea it was my question to you |
| 17:36.07 | tidux | removes networkmismanager entirely |
| 17:36.14 | tidux | there, that fixed it |
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| 17:36.23 | jordanm | vellitates, no, in C that is a bitwise operator. in the shell it is I/O redirection syntax |
| 17:36.39 | vellitates | ok |
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| 17:38.49 | anddam | any hint about https://gist.github.com/anddam/5549127 ? |
| 17:39.44 | debdeb | jordanm: seems to work now: rsync --archive --verbose --dry-run --delete --recursive /mnt/usb/ /mnt/tmpusb/ |
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| 17:40.27 | debdeb | jordanm: do you know, if --checksum is better? it gives the same result.. but is slower |
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| 17:41.03 | tonyoy | anddam: gamin is conflicting with fam |
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| 17:41.30 | anddam | tonyoy: I couldn't understand why because I thought gamin depended on it, but I see they are alternatives |
| 17:41.40 | anddam | I've dropped fam and kept gamin |
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| 17:42.52 | tonyoy | anddam: from dpkg "Gamin has been designed as a drop-in replacement for FAM with security and maintainability in mind and can use Linux's advanced inotify service when available" |
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| 17:47.18 | jdoles | Advanced is one way to put it. |
| 17:47.27 | mrM | I'm using a netbook (running debian ofc) on a external monitor, but only half the monitor is taken up. Any ideas why i don't get a full screen ? |
| 17:47.47 | jdoles | Ill-conceived is another. |
| 17:47.53 | Konomi | http://packages.debian.org/sid/base-files |
| 17:47.59 | Konomi | changelog link is broken on this page why? |
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| 17:50.33 | jdoles | Konomi: because someone made an error. |
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| 17:50.48 | Konomi | hum okay |
| 17:51.14 | jdoles | Konomi: if you want it fixed, there are contact details at the bottom of the page. |
| 17:51.54 | Konomi | I'll wait a bit in case they fix it rather than firing off an email |
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| 17:58.52 | tonyoy | jdoles: "Ill-conceived" can you elaborate ? (more further than filename-based VS file-descriptors choice) |
| 18:00.16 | jdoles | tonyoy: there are similar APIs for Windows. The Windows APIs are suitable for such tools as file system wide index services. Look at what the difference is and you will know. |
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| 18:06.21 | tonyoy | have no time to look at windows gamineries |
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| 18:14.33 | liox_ | hello anyone here already worked with SMS gateway with Playsms + sms tools? |
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| 18:16.12 | liox_ | I'm trying to set up a gateway sms here and installed and configured everything according to guides and those aplcações using a USB modem Huawei E1552 but when trying to do a test of sending sms it sits in the queue Your SMS has been delivered to queue and not delivered manesagem . |
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| 18:21.23 | Nothing4You | what the hell |
| 18:21.32 | Nothing4You | i just tried to join #debian-next and i got banned by chanserv? |
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| 18:25.03 | zenodub | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.27 | jelly-home | Nothing4You: the channel's on irc.oftc.net, not this network |
| 18:25.37 | Nothing4You | why does the topic say so then? |
| 18:25.45 | jelly-home | ... |
| 18:26.03 | Nothing4You | oh |
| 18:26.05 | Nothing4You | topic is cut |
| 18:26.08 | Nothing4You | didn't see the part |
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| 18:26.46 | jelly-home | whatever client you use, try finding a less buggy one |
| 18:26.52 | Nothing4You | it's not buggy |
| 18:26.58 | Nothing4You | it's just outside my screen |
| 18:27.07 | Nothing4You | and i didn't look at the one in the channel buffer |
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| 18:34.11 | uwjesq | There was a problem with a full disk earlier when I did a dist-upgrade and now I get parsing errors for /var/lib/dpkg/status from apt. |
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| 18:35.07 | SuperNull | google the errors. |
| 18:35.11 | SuperNull | yey i helped. |
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| 18:37.24 | uwjesq | SuperNull: Thank you for nothing. You genius. |
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| 18:39.15 | Riztonn | Hello |
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| 18:40.26 | Lartza | My root partition is not in my fstab, how else can it be mounted? :) It's a VPS |
| 18:40.30 | Lartza | trying to enable quotas |
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| 18:41.22 | Lartza | also it seems I am still booting a 2.6 after ugprading to wheezy... probably related |
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| 18:43.05 | mumpitze1 | Lartza: is it a VPS where you don't have your own kernel? |
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| 18:43.22 | Lartza | mumpitze1, Could be :) I don't know |
| 18:43.34 | ChibaPet | So, I want to start making small, regular donations to Debian, but my bank requires a US phone number, and Software in the Public Interest seems like they might not actually have one. Anyone have pointers for me? |
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| 18:44.12 | ChibaPet | (Their WHOIS lists an international number, but this won't satisfy the requirements of my bank's bill pay system. There is a US mailing address.) |
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| 18:44.21 | i00nsu | the confmiss don't create the envvars file in /etc/apache2/ |
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| 18:44.51 | Lartza | kernel problem aside... I really like to enable usrquota more |
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| 18:46.06 | mumpitze1 | i00nsu: it does if you do the confmiss for the proper apache2 package. there are several |
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| 18:46.35 | ChibaPet | This kills my instant gratification, but I guess I'll email them and ask. :) |
| 18:47.05 | nkuttler | ChibaPet: huh? your bank doesn't let you wire your money wherever you want? |
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| 18:47.39 | ChibaPet | nkuttler: This isn't wiring, it's their bill-pay service. Anyway, SPI doesn't support direct wiring any more. |
| 18:47.42 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to upgrade to wheezy from squeeze but something went terrible wrong. Basically I did: 1) replace in /etc/apt/sources.list all references to squeze with wheezy; 2) apt-get update; 3) apt-get upgrade and; 4) apt-get dist-upgrade. The last one gave some error when it found the package amule and it stopped installing. Now I have thousands unmet dependencies. By the I am typing from a different pcs. Therefore providing a |
| 18:47.42 | cantoma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.52 | ChibaPet | I found a list of mailing lists, and I'll ask on one of them. |
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| 18:49.31 | nkuttler | cantoma: you should check the release notes before upgrading.. |
| 18:49.38 | liox_ | hello anyone here already worked with SMS gateway with Playsms + sms tools? |
| 18:49.41 | nkuttler | cantoma: pastebin your error.. |
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| 18:50.09 | ChibaPet | Oh, even more deferred gratification. They use greylisting. :) Alright. |
| 18:50.18 | Obi-Wan | cantoma: did you already try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 18:50.19 | cantoma | nkuttler, I can tell you that it says "The following packages have unmet dependencies" and then it gives a really huge list |
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| 18:50.22 | Obi-Wan | ? |
| 18:50.24 | nkuttler | cantoma: fwiw, try apt-get -f install; dpkg --configure -a; remove the offending package or somesuch |
| 18:50.26 | cantoma | Obi-Wan, not yet |
| 18:50.36 | nkuttler | cantoma: the real error must be above that |
| 18:50.38 | cantoma | Obi-Wan, it actually says that |
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| 18:51.16 | cantoma | ok he is installing stuff now |
| 18:51.16 | tharkun | cantoma: Be ready to make a backup using scp since I believe your X is not working anymore |
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| 18:51.25 | cantoma | after i did apt-get -f install |
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| 18:52.03 | cantoma | tharkun, well i have the home and / in different disks |
| 18:52.18 | cantoma | tharkun, it should not touch the home disk |
| 18:52.45 | cantoma | tharkun, i actually turn off X before doing the upgrade |
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| 18:53.45 | cantoma | nkuttler, does the release notes says, remove amule before doing upgrade? |
| 18:54.02 | tharkun | cantoma: If you have a backup or you completely disconnected the /home disk your info should be safe there. |
| 18:54.14 | tharkun | cantoma: nope, but it does break the upgrade. |
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| 18:54.24 | cantoma | tharkun, i have login in root |
| 18:54.38 | cantoma | so at the moment he is not using the home disk |
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| 18:55.05 | nkuttler | cantoma: you'd know if you read them.. |
| 18:55.40 | cantoma | nkuttler, ok. I will have a look |
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| 19:03.04 | kondor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.19 | nkuttler | \o/ |
| 19:03.19 | cloudster | good job kondor :) |
| 19:03.23 | marius | ;] |
| 19:03.28 | Konomi | \o/ |
| 19:03.34 | bw_ | the doors rock! |
| 19:03.41 | nkuttler | also, weak password |
| 19:03.49 | kondor | oops |
| 19:03.54 | bw_ | batteryhorsestaple |
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| 19:05.34 | Riztonn | I am using debian and I would like to know what is the command to associate a system user with a directory and to create the vhost ? |
| 19:06.09 | nkuttler | Riztonn: enable mod_userdir ? |
| 19:06.17 | nkuttler | oh wait... |
| 19:06.23 | nkuttler | Riztonn: what? |
| 19:06.44 | bw_ | nano /etc/apache2/site-avaiable/foo ; a2ensite foo ? |
| 19:07.23 | bw_ | sites-available* |
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| 19:08.32 | Riztonn | I dont know anything about server admin :-/ |
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| 19:08.55 | nkuttler | Riztonn: so what are you trying to do? |
| 19:08.56 | Riztonn | I want to have like other people something like /server/~user |
| 19:09.04 | nkuttler | Riztonn: yeah, that's mod_userdir |
| 19:09.29 | nkuttler | Riztonn: but a system user is not a normal user |
| 19:09.33 | peterrooney | root |
| 19:09.48 | Riztonn | why a system user is not a normal user ? |
| 19:09.59 | nkuttler | Riztonn: man adduser should give pointers |
| 19:11.30 | LeLutin | hmm I'm seeing python-central and python-support in the list of "unneeded" packages ever since I upgraded to wheezy.. is that normal that those two packages should be removed? |
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| 19:12.50 | Lartza | how do I enable quotas without fstab? |
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| 19:13.47 | nascentmind | Hi. I have a debootstrap and when I schroot to the directory I get W: Failed to change to directory ‘/srv/chroot’: No such file or directory |
| 19:13.56 | nascentmind | I have the directory though. |
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| 19:14.33 | Gorilla_No_Baka | hello everyone |
| 19:14.44 | zamaliphe | hi every one |
| 19:14.53 | Riztonn | nkuttler> I am reading the doc, ok I was talking about normal user, but the doc isnt saying what are the system user for ? |
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| 19:15.52 | zamaliphe | when i use htop i get 255MB memory used but when i use top -d1 i found that i use 467MB why ? |
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| 19:17.59 | jordanm | zamaliphe, htop is probably showing RAM - (buffers + cache) |
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| 19:23.18 | nkuttler | Riztonn: well a system user is for the operating system, not for a human |
| 19:23.27 | nkuttler | Riztonn: more or less.. |
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| 19:32.57 | zamaliphe | jordanm: so which is correct ? |
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| 19:33.41 | jordanm | zamaliphe, both of them |
| 19:33.59 | jordanm | !tell zamaliphe about free ram |
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| 19:39.26 | niteye | so what's the consensus on the new default UI? too complicated or better than gnome ? |
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| 19:41.50 | htor | niteye: you mean gnome3? |
| 19:42.13 | niteye | yes well whatever the defaults are in wheezy and squeeze :) |
| 19:43.07 | htor | the default UI in wheezy is gnome3, and in squeeze it's gnome2. i like both, but gnome3 has useful shortcuts and behaves smarter |
| 19:43.27 | niteye | i just installed wheezy, im a bit lost now because i was used to squeeze and i need to search a bit to find things now but i guess ill just need to get used to it :) |
| 19:44.03 | Riztonn | I am trying to install horde on my debian server, I am on this page http://wiki.debian.org/Horde/Horde3 but I dont understand why in the "configuring your http server" I can only allow my IP ? because I am connection to my server with ssh and I dont have a fixe ip so how can I make it ? |
| 19:44.10 | uwjesq | I am still getting parsing errors for /var/lib/dpkg/status when I try to apt-get update. Any solution? I can give you the full message but it is in german. |
| 19:44.19 | htor | niteye: yeah, a bit weird the first time. no desktop. learn to use win-key shortcuts and you'll be happy |
| 19:44.47 | nkuttler | !tell uwjesq about localized errors |
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| 19:46.14 | htor | Riztonn: prefix the command with LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" <command> |
| 19:46.45 | htor | i mean uwjesq ^ |
| 19:46.59 | Riztonn | htor ?? |
| 19:47.25 | htor | wrong person, i meant uwjesq |
| 19:47.34 | Riztonn | :-) |
| 19:48.12 | uwjesq | nkuttler: Thank you very much. This is in english now: http://nopaste.info/799d151b5e.html |
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| 19:49.20 | htor | !tell htor about localized errors |
| 19:49.28 | nkuttler | uwjesq: google your error first |
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| 19:50.03 | htor | hmm, better to use locale C i guess |
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| 19:50.17 | uwjesq | nkuttler: Lol. Thank you so much. It would have never occured to me. |
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| 19:52.51 | uwjesq | I guess I just delete /var/lib/dpkg/status then. And if it screws up the system, so be it. |
| 19:52.57 | Riztonn | any idea about my problem for horde installation ? I dont know how to configure my http server... in the documentation it is written an example and it is only allowing one ip address.... Is it asking for the ip adress of the server ? or the one of my computer ? |
| 19:53.02 | plotino | hi all |
| 19:53.32 | plotino | i didnt get to setup grub2 in order to change the default selection at startup menu |
| 19:53.38 | plotino | how to do it? |
| 19:53.44 | plotino | i have to patch some config file? |
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| 19:55.27 | grok0 | plotino: /etc/default/grub : edit GRUB_DEFAULT= |
| 19:55.28 | uwjesq | plotino: There are config files in your grub directory. They should be pretty straight forward to read. |
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| 19:56.38 | plotino | thanks |
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| 19:57.19 | htor | plotino: remember to update grub after changing the config files. use grub-update for that |
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| 19:57.45 | plotino | my GRUB_DEFAULT is set to 0 |
| 19:57.51 | plotino | i have to change to ? |
| 19:58.30 | htor | plotino: have a look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg to see what entries you have available to boot |
| 19:58.40 | plotino | ok |
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| 19:59.42 | grok0 | plotino: 0==first(top) entry, 1==next, etc |
| 19:59.55 | plotino | several entries bu ti dont know the numbering ... |
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| 20:05.05 | zamaliphe | can some one help me with this nginx errors ? http://pastie.org/7823994 |
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| 20:05.44 | uwjesq | You know what I hate? People that pretend to know the answer but are too cool to answer because to them it is to easy. When they realy know jack. |
| 20:07.01 | funnybunny | uwjesq: that's what i do in regard to building a cold fusion device |
| 20:07.07 | lrojas | have a good one guys... |
| 20:07.10 | lrojas | later |
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| 20:07.39 | nkuttler | uwjesq: you know, i was just going to ask you if you need help to determine the error, or what to google exactly, but your sarcasm turned me off. exactly the attitude you're displaying now again |
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| 20:08.18 | uwjesq | nkuttler: I believe you. You know all the answers but are to smart to answer. :-) |
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| 20:08.34 | uwjesq | nkuttler: Getting this done on my own one way or the other. |
| 20:09.04 | tonyoy | uwjesq: you could try dpkg --clear-avail + sync-available from dctrl-tools |
| 20:09.29 | uwjesq | tonyoy: Nice. I will try this right away. Thanks. |
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| 20:11.20 | uwjesq | tonyoy: That seemed to have worked wonders. |
| 20:11.31 | tonyoy | uwjesq: you can dl dctrl-tools from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/dctrl-tools |
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| 20:12.14 | uwjesq | tonyoy: sync-available was already installed. Now apt is upgrading again without errors so far. Thanks again. |
| 20:12.16 | darsie | OMG, I just switched to wheezy, and it looks like it's gonna take some time and effort to configure it to an efficient workspace again ... |
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| 20:13.02 | uwjesq | darsie: Grats and condolunces I guess. :-) |
| 20:13.09 | darsie | thx :) |
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| 20:14.54 | darsie | The fonts are too small on 1600x1200. xorg option -dpi 120 doesn't help. Any options? |
| 20:16.06 | uwjesq | darsie: GTK or QT settings maybe? |
| 20:16.18 | Theoden | darsie: Using gnome3? |
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| 20:16.31 | rryoumaa | darsie: -dpi option is supposed to work |
| 20:16.42 | rryoumaa | it is supposed to work everywhere |
| 20:16.50 | rryoumaa | try 196 |
| 20:16.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah you need to change the setting in the DE now, or in .font.config |
| 20:17.00 | Theoden | If so - run advanced settings and select the fonts on the left. |
| 20:17.11 | rryoumaa | what if you don't have a de? |
| 20:17.22 | Arrowmaster | then the old ways should work |
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| 20:17.29 | Arrowmaster | its the DEs that interfere with them |
| 20:17.42 | darsie | ohh, maybe I should have used more dpi to increase font size, instead of less ... :) |
| 20:17.51 | darsie | cu |
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| 20:17.56 | rryoumaa | i have heard that 196 is better than 200 |
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| 20:20.18 | rainfyre | how do I restart my samba server? |
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| 20:20.43 | digdilem | rainfyre, /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 20:21.54 | rainfyre | digdilem: thank you :) |
| 20:22.04 | digdilem | no worries |
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| 20:27.16 | rryoumaa | does xfce or lxde screw with dpi? |
| 20:27.22 | darsie | ok, -dpi works in the kdm login screen, but not in the gnome/e16 session. I have gnome 1:3.4+7. |
| 20:28.46 | darsie | what was that .font... config file? Sorry, kvirc didn't save the channel log when I 'restarted' kdm, so I lost your previous answers. |
| 20:29.27 | Arrowmaster | if you are using gnome just change the dpi in the gnome settings |
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| 20:32.17 | darsie | Arrowmaster: Where are the gnome settings? The gnome menu is gone. I have system settings/display and the gnome-... shell programs. |
| 20:32.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont know im in cinnamon right now and dont have the full gnome settings |
| 20:33.37 | Arrowmaster | and its .fonts.conf see the fonts-conf man page |
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| 20:35.25 | Rodrigo_Debian | alguem conhece um jogo bom pra debian ? |
| 20:35.35 | darsie | .fonts.conf is too complicated. |
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| 20:36.26 | Hiryu | dpkg, sun4v? |
| 20:36.28 | dpkg | Hiryu: i don't know |
| 20:36.31 | Hiryu | boo |
| 20:36.53 | plotino | sorry guys but actually i cannote get grub default selection working |
| 20:37.05 | Hiryu | am I understanding the debian docs right? Debian on sun4v (sparc) is limited to 32-bit userland? |
| 20:37.25 | plotino | lubuntu has condigured gruub with entries and subentries |
| 20:37.40 | jhutchins_wk | plotino: No need to apologise to us. If you want help, tell us what you did, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead. |
| 20:37.41 | jdoles | How do I specify in a preseed file in the 4th column an empty string? |
| 20:37.43 | Hiryu | it's not that big of a deal to me, but I am curious |
| 20:38.03 | jhutchins_wk | Hiryu: About what? |
| 20:38.14 | plotino | DEAULT = 2 matches submenu and actually starts kernel with low latwncy that i dont want :( |
| 20:38.36 | jdoles | Example: packagename a/b string <<how to specify empty string here>>? |
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| 20:39.26 | Hiryu | jhutchins_wk: I'm not 100% sure I'm understanding the docs correctly. Is Debian on sparc/sun4v strictly limited to a 32-bit userland? |
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| 20:41.35 | tonyoy | thinking if only mate-desktop.org would have been permitted to enter testing |
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| 20:43.38 | jdoles | Got it working already. |
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| 20:47.49 | Rodrigo_Debian | flight simulation for debian ? |
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| 20:49.01 | darsie | Rodrigo_Debian: flightgear disappeared in wheezy :(. |
| 20:49.23 | Rodrigo_Debian | darsie, apt-get isntall flightgear ? |
| 20:49.37 | darsie | what? |
| 20:49.42 | darsie | install |
| 20:50.01 | darsie | no, not a package in wheezy. |
| 20:50.18 | Rodrigo_Debian | what link for get ? |
| 20:50.18 | tonyoy | Rodrigo_Debian: get it from unstable |
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| 20:50.51 | darsie | tonyoy: We're not supposed to mix stable with testing, so how can you recommend pulling it from unstable? |
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| 20:52.43 | tonyoy | darsie: you are right |
| 20:54.30 | smw | darsie, you can backported it yourself. I add unstable and experimental src repos to apt and then do apt-get build-dep package and then apt-get -b source package |
| 20:55.09 | smw | darsie, for many packages, that works without any problems. For others, you enter dependency hell and need to decide if it is worth it |
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| 21:03.43 | gengar | Hey everybody, how could I go about installing a later version of the binary nvidia drivers in Debian 7.0 64 bit? |
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| 21:05.26 | zykotick9 | darsie: see "/msg dpkg ssb" for further details, of what smw was talking about. |
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| 21:05.59 | dark_soul | hi guys, is debian pretty much ubuntu? |
| 21:06.04 | smw | zykotick9, any idea though how to pass a custom -j flag to make when doing that? |
| 21:06.09 | smw | dark_soul, no |
| 21:06.11 | dark_soul | i'm asking cause i have to write a script that will work with debian and ubuntu |
| 21:06.24 | dark_soul | smw: oh well, is debian just its own? |
| 21:06.24 | zykotick9 | smw: nope, sorry. good luck. |
| 21:06.24 | darsie | zykotick9: thx |
| 21:06.38 | dark_soul | what flavor would it be most similair to? |
| 21:06.42 | smw | dark_soul, in that case, quite possibly it will work in both. You will need to test it on both though |
| 21:06.43 | jdoles | dark_soul: depending on your abstraction level, yes. |
| 21:07.21 | darsie | zykotick9: What is ssb short for - so I may memorize it. |
| 21:07.31 | zykotick9 | darsie: simple sid backport |
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| 21:08.14 | smw | dark_soul, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:08.34 | jdoles | smw: he already said that. |
| 21:08.51 | smw | jdoles, he just said "write a script" |
| 21:08.55 | smw | not what the script does |
| 21:09.06 | jdoles | dark_soul: just write a POSIX script and you will be fine. |
| 21:09.21 | jdoles | dark_soul: if this is not possible, use tools which you know are available both systems. |
| 21:10.22 | maria | I have a problem when installing wheezy: the hdd recognition as there is in bios/uefi is not the same as wheezy installer. When I install other distro (slackware, mint, etc) hdd recognition is on par with my bios setting. Can anyone point me where I do wrong? |
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| 21:11.44 | dark_soul | okie, but just to be clear, the commands on ubuntu is similair to that of debian right? |
| 21:11.47 | dark_soul | as oppose to say, RHEL |
| 21:11.58 | dark_soul | like i know iptables is done different betweel RHEL and ubuntu |
| 21:12.08 | dark_soul | and yum vs apt-get |
| 21:12.21 | jdoles | dark_soul: if you want to be sure, build abstraction layers. |
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| 21:12.27 | zykotick9 | dark_soul: ubuntu is based on debian. yes they share many similar commands. but are NOT the same. |
| 21:12.41 | dark_soul | okay, cool, thanks guys |
| 21:12.44 | jdoles | zykotick9: is there a list of differences somewhere? |
| 21:12.50 | dark_soul | i'll test it all out as well :-) |
| 21:12.53 | smw | dark_soul, if you wish to support debian, you need to test it on debian |
| 21:12.59 | smw | dark_soul, awesome :-) |
| 21:13.01 | darsie | can I downgrade to gnome2? |
| 21:13.07 | zykotick9 | jdoles: i hope not ;) not that i'm aware of... that list would be long. |
| 21:13.15 | jdoles | zykotick9: I have never encountered a difference myself. |
| 21:13.30 | smw | jdoles, upstart? |
| 21:13.41 | jdoles | smw: I don't depend on that. |
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| 21:13.54 | maria | anyone, any ideas? |
| 21:13.54 | jdoles | smw: exactly because it is system specific. |
| 21:14.36 | smw | jdoles, if your script messes with system startup of system installed packages, you can run into differences |
| 21:14.50 | zykotick9 | darsie: "downgrade to gnome2" in wheezy? no. |
| 21:14.59 | Rodrigo_Debian | root@debian:/home/rodrigo/Downloads# dpkg-deb -x ./steam lastest.deb ./steam |
| 21:15.01 | Rodrigo_Debian | dpkg-deb: --extract aceita no máximo dois argumentos (.deb e diretório) |
| 21:15.03 | Rodrigo_Debian | Digite dpkg-deb --help para ajuda sobre manipulação de arquivos *.deb; |
| 21:15.05 | Rodrigo_Debian | Digite dpkg --help para ajuda sobre instalação e desinstalação de pacotes. |
| 21:15.29 | zykotick9 | darsie: if you want gnome2 use squeeze - the ISS does on there laptops ;) |
| 21:15.46 | jdoles | zykotick9: they do? PICS please. |
| 21:16.03 | tonyoy | darsie: or try mate-desktop.org |
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| 21:16.14 | maria | rodrigo check steam forums on how to install steam....the deb packet you get from steam website is not working good with debian |
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| 21:16.35 | zykotick9 | jdoles: was linked by previous DPL the other day on identi.ca PIC, you must be kidding... |
| 21:16.36 | smw | zykotick9, I found the answer I was looking for :-) |
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| 21:17.00 | jdoles | zykotick9: DPL? |
| 21:17.03 | smw | zykotick9, export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=N" where N is whatever you want |
| 21:17.06 | jdoles | !DPL |
| 21:17.06 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Stefano Zacchiroli. See http://www.debian.org/devel/leader . |
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| 21:17.16 | zykotick9 | smw: compile flags, nice. |
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| 21:17.59 | smw | zykotick9, when compiling C++, you really need the parallelization |
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| 21:19.04 | zerick | Hi guys, I'm getting with no space on disk on a web server, is there any method to known which file or files increased from a certain time to a certain time? |
| 21:19.17 | zykotick9 | jdoles: sorry, took awhile to find right name, Stefano Zacchiroli was the previous DPL |
| 21:19.26 | jdoles | zykotick9:Yeah, read the article already. |
| 21:19.35 | jdoles | zykotick9: it seems some kind of Twitter. |
| 21:20.07 | zykotick9 | the !DPL factoid need updating... |
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| 21:20.48 | smw | zerick, no, that information is not recorded |
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| 21:22.41 | maria | in bios I have 2 hdd and one is set as primary boot: when installing debian, the installer is rearranging my hdd thus 2nd hdd comes 1st and 1st become 2nd....is the installer behaves as intended?! |
| 21:22.56 | jdoles | maria: yes |
| 21:22.56 | zerick | smw: in case it is a worm or something ? |
| 21:23.07 | maria | but why other distro will not do this |
| 21:23.14 | maria | slackware, opensuse, mint, ubuntu, etc |
| 21:23.23 | jdoles | maria: no particular reason. |
| 21:23.23 | maria | only debian is doing this |
| 21:23.29 | maria | I think this is a bug |
| 21:23.34 | jdoles | maria: it is not. |
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| 21:23.47 | maria | installer not recognizing bios hdd arrangement |
| 21:23.56 | smw | zerick, I find that webservers fill up because of logs |
| 21:23.58 | jdoles | maria: you have a notion of order in your mind which does not exist. |
| 21:24.23 | smw | zerick, but no, that information is not recorded by default so there is no way to find out what changed |
| 21:24.26 | jdoles | maria: you have noticed a pattern in other distributions and assume based on that that is is a law. |
| 21:24.34 | i00nsu | guys I deleted /etc/apache2/ .. now when i try to install apache2 I get and error that tells about envvars file.. must be declared source |
| 21:24.37 | zerick | snw: ok, thanks |
| 21:24.38 | jdoles | maria: that's not a univerally true inference step to make. |
| 21:24.41 | maria | but if I set it in BIOS then that should be the natural arrangement rigjt? |
| 21:24.49 | jdoles | maria: no |
| 21:24.50 | maria | right* |
| 21:24.53 | maria | :) |
| 21:24.55 | maria | why?! |
| 21:24.56 | jdoles | maria: you call it natural. |
| 21:25.06 | jdoles | maria: but it is not a property of the system. |
| 21:25.35 | jdoles | maria: just because you looked out of the window 5 times and saw that it was sunny, doesn't mean it is always sunny. |
| 21:25.40 | maria | so, let me resume, debian, notice my hdd in the system, and pick one to install and that will be sda...all the rest screw them? |
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| 21:25.54 | smw | zerick, do you keep access logs? /var/log/apache2 assuming you are using apache |
| 21:25.58 | jdoles | maria: no |
| 21:26.06 | maria | well, this is what it does |
| 21:26.12 | jdoles | maria: unlikely. |
| 21:26.17 | maria | I can make print screens |
| 21:26.20 | maria | or pictures |
| 21:26.21 | jdoles | maria: no need. |
| 21:26.22 | maria | and show it |
| 21:26.34 | maria | bios order should be maintained |
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| 21:26.47 | zerick | smw: I was searching by files, I'm going to search by dirs |
| 21:26.54 | zerick | smw: with a fin :) |
| 21:26.59 | zerick | * find |
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| 21:27.03 | burnclouds | cd .. |
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| 21:27.13 | jdoles | maria: you can open a bug, but it will be closed with NOTABUG WONTFIX. |
| 21:27.29 | jdoles | maria: you can select the installation device. |
| 21:27.32 | grok0 | zerick: you can add a cron job running simple script outputting recursive listing to time-stamped files and use diff to find the bad apple |
| 21:27.40 | maria | I am trying to find a reasonable explanation on the irc channel if possible |
| 21:27.45 | jdoles | maria: I am sure that the manual explains how to do this. |
| 21:27.52 | jdoles | maria: the explanation is simple. |
| 21:28.05 | jdoles | maria: the property of the system which you believe to exist, does not exist. |
| 21:28.13 | Leper | bios hdd is a thing |
| 21:28.18 | jdoles | maria: there is no need for that property to exist. |
| 21:28.22 | Leper | the order does actually matter |
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| 21:28.31 | jdoles | maria: hence, it doesn't exist. |
| 21:28.35 | Leper | it typically only matters at the time of the bootloader |
| 21:28.47 | Leper | and if you're using grub, grub is probably the only thing that has to cope with it |
| 21:29.03 | jdoles | Leper: generally you would use UUID or similar to eliminate the dependency. |
| 21:29.06 | Leper | right |
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| 21:29.21 | Leper | but bios order is a thing, and it does matter, and claiming it isn't is wrong |
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| 21:30.08 | jdoles | maria: I think it is only guaranteed that if you start the installer that it returns the same order for the same operations executed on the machine, but it does not specify which order. |
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| 21:30.49 | maria | could be that udev is the problem? |
| 21:30.59 | jdoles | maria: I give up. |
| 21:31.11 | jdoles | maria: your mind is the problem. |
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| 21:32.07 | maria | installer doesnt "know" about any hdd until it ask about partition. at that time the hdd numbering is wrong and maitained for ever |
| 21:32.14 | maria | then when installing grub |
| 21:32.20 | maria | it will install on sda |
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| 21:32.29 | maria | but bios thinks that sda is the 2nd hdd |
| 21:32.37 | Leper | the name given to a disk is not stable |
| 21:32.42 | Leper | you can't depend on it |
| 21:32.54 | maria | but how bios knows how to boot? |
| 21:33.04 | maria | if i explicitly select which hdd to boot from |
| 21:33.11 | jdoles | maria: it can count. |
| 21:33.24 | Leper | it scans the bus in question in the same order every time |
| 21:33.28 | Leper | so its consistent |
| 21:33.43 | Leper | but that's the only time that consistency exists |
| 21:34.00 | jdoles | Leper: it probably isn't specified like that. |
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| 21:34.19 | maria | I have 2 solution to this issue but really, why other distros know hdd numbering on par with my bios and only debian is the one that has this "issue" |
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| 21:34.26 | jdoles | Leper: but the result is indeed a consistent order. |
| 21:34.46 | Leper | it's just the order the hardware is initialized in |
| 21:34.53 | jdoles | maria: your question has been answered 100 times now. |
| 21:35.04 | Leper | I've had mainboards that actually do get confused when you hotplug usb devices |
| 21:35.32 | Leper | before an OS is loaded I mean |
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| 21:35.38 | jdoles | maria: are you waiting for someone to give a wrong answer? |
| 21:35.43 | Leper | so even the hardware guys don't always end up with something consistent |
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| 21:35.59 | jdoles | maria: let's do that then; yes, Debian contains a bug. It's terrible! |
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| 21:36.13 | zykotick9 | Leper: i'm not sure what you mean by "name given to a disk" but, you can rely on a LABEL given to a partition. SO much easier then UUIDs. |
| 21:36.16 | jdoles | maria: be sure to notify everyone on all mailing lists of this fact. |
| 21:36.25 | Leper | by name I mean block device name |
| 21:36.27 | Leper | eg. sda |
| 21:36.35 | maria | why you do this jdoles? |
| 21:36.44 | maria | you being an as$$ |
| 21:36.48 | maria | I asked nicely |
| 21:36.48 | jdoles | maria: because it has been explained 100 times already. |
| 21:36.57 | jdoles | maria: you can ask something once. |
| 21:37.00 | maria | and maybe your answer is not good enough |
| 21:37.04 | maria | have you consider that? |
| 21:37.11 | zykotick9 | Leper: no, sdX is in flux |
| 21:37.12 | Leper | maria, why is the drive order important to you? |
| 21:37.12 | Hiryu | ... |
| 21:37.14 | jdoles | maria: the answer is perfect. |
| 21:37.16 | maria | it is |
| 21:37.22 | jdoles | maria: you just don't accept it. |
| 21:37.23 | Leper | zykotick9, exactly what I said |
| 21:37.28 | jdoles | maria: the problem is you. |
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| 21:37.58 | zykotick9 | Leper: agreed. after i clarified what you meant by name ;) |
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| 21:39.36 | Hiryu | maria: I've seen this issue since I started working with computers. I've seen it with other distributions, I've seen it with the BSD's |
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| 21:40.25 | steven999 | During the Debian installation I can choose between two kernel packages: "linux-image-2.6-amd64" and "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64". What is the difference between two? |
| 21:40.25 | Hiryu | I think that's largely what UUID is for |
| 21:40.42 | maria | I have 2 solutions as I said: 1. set grub on the other hdd or 2. change in bios the boot prio |
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| 21:41.16 | jdoles | steven999: one is a meta-package. |
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| 21:41.22 | Hiryu | maria: both of those are good solutions |
| 21:41.26 | Hiryu | I tend to do both :) |
| 21:41.39 | jdoles | steven999: in this case that means that if you upgrade you always get the latest. |
| 21:41.39 | plotino | so there is easy way to configure grub2 :( |
| 21:41.47 | plotino | for me it was better grub1 |
| 21:41.57 | Hiryu | my bios occasionally changes its mind, so try to install grub on the other drives too |
| 21:42.00 | jdoles | steven999: whereas linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 is just the name of a package. |
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| 21:42.23 | jdoles | steven999: if you upgrade linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 you just get linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 again. |
| 21:42.35 | steven999 | jdoles, "linux-image-2.6-amd64" is the meta package? So it basically points to the latest kernel in linux-image-2.6-amd64 family? |
| 21:42.43 | jdoles | steven999: yes |
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| 21:42.55 | jdoles | steven999: kind of like HEAD. |
| 21:43.04 | steven999 | jdoles, ok. Thanks! In this case I will choose "linux-image-2.6-amd64" |
| 21:43.19 | jdoles | steven999: yeah, that's the most convenient. |
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| 21:43.42 | jdoles | steven999: if you have a large installation, you might want to know exactly what is in every kernel and then you would stop doing that. |
| 21:43.56 | jdoles | steven999: (e.g. company with 10000+ employees) |
| 21:44.30 | maria | last question and I will not bother you again: is there any setting(s) at installer prompt or hack a file (when step by step installing) that will change hdd numbering to not be automatic but controlled by me? |
| 21:44.44 | Leper | no |
| 21:44.51 | steven999 | jdoles, ok :) |
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| 21:47.02 | maria | I thank you for the answer and time spent with my "issue". Have a great day everyone! |
| 21:47.18 | Leper | the entire concept of a stable storage layout pretty much vanished 10 years ago |
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| 21:48.06 | Leper | removable media and networked storage fabrics killed it |
| 21:48.12 | Leper | which isn't really a bad thing, once you adapt |
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| 22:00.34 | peterrooney | Leper: I disagree. What mental model is someone expected to adopt? For example, it's not possible to do FAI on machines with multiple drives |
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| 22:01.37 | peterrooney | Basicly, every machine is unique every time it boots, and you can't plan around it |
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| 22:06.33 | Leper | peterrooney, it can make things more challenging |
| 22:06.39 | Leper | I don't disagree |
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| 22:07.12 | Leper | if you have a BIOS like Hiryu's doing automated installs is going to be royal pain |
| 22:07.32 | Leper | otoh, I've never faced that problem with a server board |
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| 22:16.22 | pmade | After upgrading to Wheezy `dpkg -l` shows a few packages with "rc". Can I safely purge those or is it possible they will remove configuration files for the packages that replaced them? |
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| 22:18.32 | yossarianuk | hi - I have a debian 6 server - it has used dotdeb for php, it also has plesk on - for some reason I am unable to update mysql (i.e the normal debian update) |
| 22:18.50 | yossarianuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.19 | yossarianuk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.43 | yossarianuk | how can I see whats causing this - i.e which package is forcing it to require that version ? |
| 22:19.44 | smw | yossarianuk, you can't just update mysql-server |
| 22:20.12 | smw | yossarianuk, you need to also update those other packages. |
| 22:20.31 | nkuttler | yossarianuk: neither dotdeb nor plesk are supported here |
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| 22:20.50 | sc30317 | is there a repo for thunderbird for debian wheezy? |
| 22:20.58 | yossarianuk | thanks: ok I tried |
| 22:21.00 | nkuttler | sc30317: install icedove |
| 22:21.00 | yossarianuk | apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client-5.1 mysql-common libmysqlclient1 |
| 22:21.04 | sc30317 | nkuttler, no |
| 22:21.06 | sc30317 | :) |
| 22:21.15 | yossarianuk | libmysqlclient16 : Depends: mysql-common (>= 5.1.66-0+squeeze1) but 5.1.63-0+squeeze1 is to be installed |
| 22:21.17 | smw | sc30317, is icedove good enough? |
| 22:21.22 | yossarianuk | mysql-client-5.1 : Depends: mysql-common (>= 5.1.66-0+squeeze1) but 5.1.63-0+squeeze1 is to be installed |
| 22:21.30 | sc30317 | smw, I just want thunderbird from a repo |
| 22:21.34 | sc30317 | don't want to have to install from source |
| 22:21.36 | yossarianuk | (i have done aapt-get update - I have a normal sources.list) |
| 22:21.38 | Hiryu | I love the alt names debian up with for firefox, mozilla, and thunderbird hahaha |
| 22:21.40 | smw | sc30317, install icedove |
| 22:21.41 | nkuttler | sc30317: icedove is thunderbird |
| 22:21.54 | sc30317 | I know |
| 22:22.03 | sc30317 | why does Debian not come with a default mail app? |
| 22:22.04 | yossarianuk | how can I see whats causing this ? |
| 22:22.49 | smw | Hiryu, I still think it should have been called lightning dove... |
| 22:23.20 | smw | Hiryu, but I guess having them all named iceanimal makes sense |
| 22:23.38 | sc30317 | smw, I guess |
| 22:23.53 | sc30317 | well they have Firefox, Thunderbird, Lightning |
| 22:24.00 | sc30317 | Iceweasel and IceDove? |
| 22:24.04 | sc30317 | sort of seems off to me |
| 22:25.21 | yossarianuk | i.e how can I see what package is blocking the mysql update ? |
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| 22:25.43 | yossarianuk | on another server (debina6) also it has the correct version - i.e 5.1.66-0+squeeze1 |
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| 22:27.28 | Hiryu | smw: I'll agree on both points |
| 22:28.10 | yossarianuk | i.e - why is ' 5.1.63-0+squeeze1 is to be installed' instead of '5.1.66-0+squeeze1' how can I trace why ? |
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| 22:28.44 | yossarianuk | nkuttler: The packages I cannot update are standard debian packages. |
| 22:28.48 | tonyoy | yossarianuk: apt-cache policy {package-name} |
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| 22:30.52 | bronaugh | hey; so, question. flashed BIOS, and 'debian' entry disappeared from UEFI boot menu. how does one get the entry back into the UEFI boot menu? |
| 22:31.00 | bronaugh | I presume that you may do something with efibootmgr but I'm not sure what. |
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| 22:33.25 | tonyoy | yossarianuk: you might have a mix of dotdeb and debian origins, you can also keep track of what you have installed from outside with apt-show-versions |
| 22:34.03 | yossarianuk | tonyoy: thanks |
| 22:34.18 | yossarianuk | tonyoy: it was due to an entry in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 22:34.28 | yossarianuk | your advice helped me find that... |
| 22:34.42 | yossarianuk | it wasn't due to a mixture... |
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| 22:37.51 | noeom | Hi. I updated my debian installation from 6.something (latest stable) to 7.0 (latest stable from a few days ago on) just by letting the update manager install all updates availables (as I usually do). They were something like 360 updates. While updating, my hd run out of space and now... my system is broken. Is there any "easy" way to finish de installation? |
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| 22:38.06 | noeom | to start with, I have no network interfaces :P |
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| 22:38.32 | noeom | I mean, I have them, but they are no longer working (they were before the broken-update) |
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| 22:40.43 | rahsputin | Hi. I don't us a Display Manager and would like to have atyfb loaded (modeprobe atyfb) after logging in. Where can i set this option. I tried /etc/rc.local but no results. |
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| 22:41.25 | Arrowmaster | rahsputin: /etc/modules |
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| 22:42.33 | rahsputin | Arrowmaster: Thanx a million :-)) |
| 22:42.38 | warhead | Hello |
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| 22:43.35 | zagabar | hmmmm i am trying to install build-essential:i386 on debian sid by using apt get, but i get the following error: "build-essential:i386 : Depends: gcc:i386 (>= 4:4.4.3) but it is not going to be installed" and the same with g++ |
| 22:43.47 | zagabar | how come it isn't possible to install it just like that, and how am i meant to install it? |
| 22:46.26 | ctmjr | zagabar: welcome to sid please enjoy the ride |
| 22:46.49 | warhead | I have problem with dovecot+postfix, in dovecot I set mail_location = mbox:/var/mail/%d/%1n/%n:INDEX=/var/indexes/%d/%1n/%n and in postfix home_mailbox = mbox:/var/mail/%d/%1n/%n , and my problems is: dovecot make mail file in /var/mail/w/warhead/inbox, and when send mail postfix make inbox file in /var/mail/warhead --> my question is how to force postfix to save incomming mail in /var/mail/w/warhead/inbox ? |
| 22:47.09 | zagabar | ctmjr: well, i tried it on another machine where i have wheezy and the same thing happens there |
| 22:47.22 | Arrowmaster | zagabar: not all packages can have both the amd64 and the i386 versions installed at the same time, one of the dependencies is probably like that |
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| 22:48.23 | zagabar | Arrowmaster: I see. but then what to do if i need the 32 bit build packages to build something? |
| 22:49.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, hopefully it is just a sid issue |
| 22:49.14 | Arrowmaster | and will be fixed at some point |
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| 22:49.25 | zagabar | Arrowmaster: it was on wheezy too :) |
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| 22:51.10 | tonyoy | yossarianuk: your welcome (apt-show-versions still quite handy too ;-) |
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| 22:52.41 | Nirvash | I'm currently running a debian server and cannot get mysql to start. It has worked fine for months and nothing on the server has been modified or been changed noticeably. Any ideas? |
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| 22:53.14 | tonyoy | zagabar: did you try to install gcc:i386 alone first ? (it's at 4:4.7.2-1 in wheezy) |
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| 22:58.01 | habstinat | What is the recommended method to upload a video I took showing my problem for Debian support (either on the mailing lists or IRC)? |
| 22:58.13 | Konomi | question umask seems to be 4 digits but in roots ~/.bashrc it has the command as "umask 022" |
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| 23:06.36 | zykotick9 | Konomi: the digit on the far left is special. umask is subtracting from regular file permission of 777 |
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| 23:06.58 | Konomi | what does it signify? |
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| 23:08.05 | zykotick9 | all the special stuff - immutable etc. it's not something is use so, anyone else would be able to provide a better answer |
| 23:08.23 | Konomi | yeah the big detailed guide I have here mentions nothingof it |
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| 23:08.39 | Eduardo_BR_ | How I config driver video SIS671? |
| 23:09.24 | Eduardo_BR_ | In the Debian 7 |
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| 23:15.06 | frikinz_ | A loong time ago I had this horrible graphic card and I think this thread helped me find the sisimedia xorg driver.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/301958 . You'll have to find the correct version for your xorg version |
| 23:15.20 | frikinz_ | mmhhh |
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| 23:17.52 | jack_thompson | for me the grub in unstable is broken since 1-2 days... |
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| 23:18.14 | jack_thompson | instead of the boot menu it complains about a missiing file |
| 23:18.15 | frikinz_ | oh I just upgraded but did not reboot yet |
| 23:18.27 | jack_thompson | i downgraded to grub from testing.. |
| 23:18.45 | jack_thompson | frikinz_ i am talking about debian/unstable |
| 23:20.36 | jack_thompson | i had to install stable and not format/overwrite the partition.. |
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| 23:20.48 | jack_thompson | then i moved the installed debian into a random subfolder... |
| 23:20.58 | frikinz_ | jack_thompson: yes I got it, that's what I'm running. I upgraded from 1.99-27-1 to 2.00-14 an hour ago. was surprised to see grub v2 finally |
| 23:21.08 | jack_thompson | ye |
| 23:21.26 | jack_thompson | frikinz_ i overlooked it... v2 has some file missing... |
| 23:21.34 | jack_thompson | cant remember the exact name.. |
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| 23:23.17 | jack_thompson | so i installed debian/stable... then before reboot i moved everything except /boot into another subdirectory... |
| 23:23.20 | porto | Hia anyone tried debia 7? Is it stable or |
| 23:23.33 | porto | Not :( |
| 23:23.53 | jack_thompson | and moved the unstable from the other directory into / again (except /that/ /boot) |
| 23:23.54 | Vicissitude | porto, it is stable, yes. I'm using it even now |
| 23:23.56 | jack_thompson | and did reboot... |
| 23:24.08 | jack_thompson | porto, i am using it one 3 servers... no problems |
| 23:24.15 | jack_thompson | *on 3 servers |
| 23:24.39 | jack_thompson | only unstable just slapped me in the face.. xD |
| 23:25.04 | jack_thompson | ....then i booted unstable with the kernel from stable... |
| 23:25.13 | jack_thompson | moved the unstable kernels back into /boot |
| 23:25.24 | jack_thompson | downgraded from grubv2 to the grub from testing.. |
| 23:25.27 | frikinz_ | jack_thompson: wow that was an agressive solution :) you could have chrooted from your bootable to your sid |
| 23:25.28 | jack_thompson | re-ran it... |
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| 23:25.30 | jack_thompson | fixed! |
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| 23:25.58 | frikinz_ | I don't see major bug on the debian bug tracking about grub |
| 23:26.20 | jack_thompson | frikinz_ i have these problems so rarely... i havent, yet, achieved that level of elegance... xD |
| 23:26.28 | jvelezc | quick advise is this the modern and correct way to add a script to run at bootime? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 23:26.50 | frikinz_ | jack_thompson: :) anyway, you managed |
| 23:26.55 | porto | Great and you have made a fresh install or upgrade from 6? |
| 23:27.21 | jack_thompson | porto, i upgraded the servers from 6, yes... |
| 23:28.00 | jack_thompson | frikinz_ i'll hold on to the grub from testing until grub v2 was updated... or so... |
| 23:28.20 | frikinz_ | jvelezc: no. You could read here http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts and copy a simple script from init.d and do your own |
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| 23:31.08 | porto | Thanks jack_thompson but i think to do the upgrade in laptop is an hard task :( |
| 23:32.01 | frikinz_ | jack_thompson: I've just rebooted. works here(tm) I don't have lvm or anything fancy, might be why |
| 23:32.39 | porto | I gona w8 until buy my ssd ;) |
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| 23:33.47 | jack_thompson | frikinz_ huh.. idk.. have nothing fancy either.... :o well... i'll not try it again right /now/... xD ..have to finish watching GoT first... xD |
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| 23:37.18 | jvelezc | ... |
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| 23:38.53 | jvelezc | So anything on the init.d folder is executed at boot time? |
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| 23:41.47 | frikinz_ | jvelezc: scripts (in fact links to ../init.d) which are in rc2.d will get execed when runlevel 2 is started. runlevel 2 is debian default runlevel |
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| 23:42.37 | jvelezc | k thanks thank you for directing me in the right direction |
| 23:43.25 | frikinz_ | there's a file called skeleton in init.d but not sure if you need all this.. |
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| 23:44.41 | Overand | OK folks, you may get this a lot, and if there's a lovely FAQ I can review, I'd enjoy it. |
| 23:45.25 | Overand | I used to use Debian all the time, stopped right around Sarge. At that point, I ended up switching to "U______ Server" - and I'm starting to feel like it's time to come back. |
| 23:46.16 | Overand | I'm wondering what the release cycle of 'stable' vs. releases is like, and what-if-any "major changes" have happened. Obv. the software itself is all much much newer, but I more mean in terms of 'How things are done.' |
| 23:46.53 | Arrowmaster | the release notes point out the major changes if thats what you mean |
| 23:46.59 | Arrowmaster | like wheezy has multiarch |
| 23:47.31 | Overand | Release notes are a good place to start, yes |
| 23:47.58 | Overand | Maybe I'll just spin up a VM. I moved away from Debian because I'd been sticking pretty much exclusively to Stable, and I wanted 'newer software' - probably a mantra you hear a *lot.* |
| 23:48.13 | Overand | It seems like the release cycle has sped up since then, though I could be wrong. |
| 23:48.27 | jvelezc | how do i shutdown sheevaplug using debian |
| 23:49.22 | Arrowmaster | Overand: not really, wheezy was frozen for much longer than desired |
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| 23:49.44 | Overand | Arrowmaster: Ah - well, it happens. |
| 23:50.05 | Arrowmaster | a lot of people use testing on everything except critical servers |
| 23:50.07 | Overand | It's frustrating, I imagine - braindrain from the parent to the child and such. That's why I said 'you must hear this a lot.' |
| 23:50.26 | Overand | But I have to imagine that a lot of core features just aren't 'there' in ubuntu vs debian. |
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| 23:50.42 | Arrowmaster | but if you know what you are doing you can create backports for stable fairly easily depending on the software |
| 23:50.46 | frikinz_ | jvelezc: halt ? |
| 23:50.56 | jvelezc | type halt? |
| 23:51.00 | tonyoy | jvelezc: man shutdown (and maybe update-rc.d for your previous questions ;-) |
| 23:51.07 | Arrowmaster | Overand: what core features? give examples |
| 23:51.07 | Overand | Like - i set up my VM *host* with *arch linux* - because Ubuntu-server at the time had issues where if a non-root filesystem on an MD device was degraded on boot, the system would drop to initramfs |
| 23:51.14 | jvelezc | do do i unhalt? |
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| 23:51.42 | jvelezc | unplug computer? |
| 23:51.44 | Overand | Arrowmaster: That just gave me a *huge* sour taste in my mouth regarding the system. Apparently it was an open bug for a while. (I may be wrong - it might have been root FS only). |
| 23:52.50 | jvelezc | i type shutdown now |
| 23:52.57 | jvelezc | type halt doesnt turn off the device |
| 23:53.08 | jvelezc | type shutdown -h doesnt turn it off |
| 23:53.21 | jvelezc | type shutdown -h now nothing |
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| 23:53.49 | Arrowmaster | are you root? |
| 23:53.54 | jvelezc | yes |
| 23:54.11 | jvelezc | shutdown now just restarts it |
| 23:54.19 | jvelezc | but it doesnt power it off |
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| 23:54.41 | Arrowmaster | might be something special about the device |
| 23:54.47 | ctmjr | jvelezc: shutdown -h now |
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| 23:55.28 | ctmjr | oop's |
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| 23:57.19 | ctmjr | jvelezc: maybe shutdown -P now |
| 23:57.32 | jvelezc | will try |
| 23:58.52 | jvelezc | Will now halt. |
| 23:58.52 | jvelezc | System halted. |
| 23:58.58 | jvelezc | but doesnt shutdown the power |
| 23:59.11 | jvelezc | i have to do it by unplugging the device from the wall outlet |
| 23:59.16 | jvelezc | its enfuriating |
