| 00:00.21 | tjiggi_fo | you could hit the power button instead |
| 00:00.47 | jvelezc | doesnt have one |
| 00:01.17 | tjiggi_fo | how do you turn it on then? |
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| 00:02.26 | jvelezc | by pluggin it to the wall |
| 00:02.52 | jvelezc | i guess it has no mechanism to know it should be off? |
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| 00:03.12 | jvelezc | http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/sheevaplug |
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| 00:03.21 | jvelezc | here the device |
| 00:03.23 | jvelezc | http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/sheevaplug |
| 00:04.19 | jvelezc | should i assume is safe to unplug it at any time that i do shutdown -h -P |
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| 00:06.22 | frikinz_ | If it has an SD, no. If a block relocation happens during a write at the time you unplug, you can damage the fileystem and maybe the sd itself |
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| 00:07.56 | tjiggi_fo | If it says "System halted" then it's safe to unplug |
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| 00:08.42 | boudiccas | if you issue the command 'LogOff' or 'Restart', exactly what command does the computer get please?i'm just trying to customise my menu in fluxbox |
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| 00:21.08 | tharkun | Is there something like the Arial font for xterm |
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| 00:24.08 | jvelezc | In this guide there is a start up script http://www.communityseismicnetwork.org/linux should i name it csn.sh or just csn/ |
| 00:24.08 | jvelezc | ? |
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| 00:29.40 | tharkun | jvelezc: you will be doing the calling so it is your choice. I personaly dislike extensions so i would leave it at csn but then again it is your choice |
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| 00:30.07 | jvelezc | startpar: service(s) returned failure: csn.sh ... failed! |
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| 00:30.11 | jvelezc | i get that at boot |
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| 00:32.12 | jvelezc | startpar: service(s) returned failure: csn.sh ... failed! |
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| 00:43.01 | jvelezc | Hello I tried to follow this http://www.communityseismicnetwork.org/linux but i get Starting CSN daemon: csndaemon/sbin/start-stop-daemon: unable to start /usr/local/bin/csndaemon (Exec format error) |
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| 00:43.11 | jvelezc | when i try to /etc/init.d/csn start |
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| 01:01.44 | madcat1990 | can anyone here give me a hand with fonts? |
| 01:02.20 | madcat1990 | I basically have a font called gohu font, its a monospaced pixel bitmap font |
| 01:02.25 | madcat1990 | has .ttf and .fon files |
| 01:02.27 | madcat1990 | but for some reason |
| 01:02.37 | madcat1990 | installing them in /usr/share/fonts and running fc-cache does nothing |
| 01:02.43 | madcat1990 | they don't show up as a selection anywhere |
| 01:02.45 | madcat1990 | any ideas? |
| 01:02.54 | madcat1990 | I've also tried fc-cache -f -v -r |
| 01:03.46 | madcat1990 | anyone? |
| 01:04.23 | themill | !install font |
| 01:04.24 | dpkg | To install <fonts> for just one user, copy them into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <install font kde>, <install font gnome>). To install system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
| 01:04.39 | themill | madcat1990: ^^ I thought a subdirectory like that was still needed |
| 01:04.49 | madcat1990 | yes, I copy them to truetype always |
| 01:04.53 | madcat1990 | the others worked fine |
| 01:04.57 | madcat1990 | its just THIS particular font |
| 01:05.00 | madcat1990 | that is giving me troubles |
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| 01:05.53 | madcat1990 | ttfs work fine. this one however is .pcf.gz |
| 01:08.28 | themill | so not a truetype font then. |
| 01:08.44 | RobbyF | just upgraded to wheezy and having trouble with tab for folder completion, knowing issue? |
| 01:09.58 | madcat1990 | nope |
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| 01:10.07 | madcat1990 | going to try pcf.gz and bdf |
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| 01:10.58 | madcat1990 | ok, fc-cache detected them |
| 01:11.03 | madcat1990 | but still can't use them for some reason |
| 01:11.06 | madcat1990 | do I have to reboot? |
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| 01:12.27 | madcat1990 | nope, didn't work |
| 01:12.33 | madcat1990 | rebooting did not fix it |
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| 01:12.40 | madcat1990 | any other suggestions? |
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| 01:20.45 | madcat1990 | nvm guys, figured it out |
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| 01:28.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | why doesnt this work? root@x:~# mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt/usb |
| 01:28.23 | \\Mr_C\\ | mount: no medium found on /dev/sdb |
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| 01:30.41 | dvs | \\Mr_C\\: /dev/sdb is the entire device, not one partition on the device |
| 01:30.55 | \\Mr_C\\ | oh |
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| 01:32.42 | ov3rmind | good night guys i am running debian 7 and have instaled vlc to make one live stream from webcam but i am receiving this error on client box |
| 01:32.43 | ov3rmind | [mp3 @ 0x7fd680c27280] Header missing |
| 01:32.45 | ov3rmind | [mp3 @ 0x7fd680c18b50] max_analyze_duration 5000000 reached at 5015510 |
| 01:32.46 | ov3rmind | [mp3 @ 0x7fd680c18b50] Estimating duration from bitrate, this may be inaccurate |
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| 01:42.05 | ctmjr | ov3rmind: you might ask in #videolan |
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| 01:48.15 | ov3rmind | thanks ctmjr but on my gentoo works ? |
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| 01:51.33 | ctmjr | ov3rmind: i do not i rarely use vlc |
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| 01:52.13 | ov3rmind | i paste the error in http header obtained with nmap on vdeolan |
| 01:52.16 | ov3rmind | i wait |
| 01:52.27 | ov3rmind | thanks friend ! |
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| 02:08.19 | tuv | on a relatively long pdf document (latex-generated), evince moves slowly through pages, while okular has no issues going through the pages quickly. is evince just slow? |
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| 02:13.06 | sc30317 | wheezy is so good |
| 02:13.12 | sc30317 | going to be my only desktop os from now on |
| 02:14.17 | smw | sc30317, I agree :-) |
| 02:14.47 | sc30317 | smw, first linux OS that i've ever used |
| 02:14.56 | sc30317 | that has full support for everything I throw @ it |
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| 02:17.46 | tuv | why is evince so slow?! |
| 02:19.25 | zeeflo | why would we know that tuv ? |
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| 02:21.06 | tuv | zeeflo: because you may have run into a similar problem |
| 02:22.35 | zeeflo | no, it works just fine on my laptop |
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| 02:25.46 | tuv | woow.. epdfview is lightning fast |
| 02:26.32 | i00nsu | yep |
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| 02:36.57 | madcat1990 | Hey guys, for some reason my X shuts down when I open 3 windows, any idea why? |
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| 02:42.22 | madcat1990 | actually now it quits after a split second |
| 02:42.23 | madcat1990 | any idea why? |
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| 02:46.04 | edju | Running Wheezy amd64. Added i386 w/ dpkg, but couldn't update after that. Tried --remove-architecture i386, but received error -- cannot remove non-foreign architecture. Any advice appreciated. |
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| 02:47.53 | yggdrasil | hi, how much ram would a base install of deb need ? can i get it into 64 mb ? |
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| 02:51.48 | tuv | edju: what do you mean by: couldn't update ? |
| 02:52.02 | sc30317 | yggdrasil, what are you trying to do with it? |
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| 02:52.14 | sc30317 | i've heard if you do the absolute bare minimum, it is usable in 64MB |
| 02:52.47 | dvs | yggdrasil: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s05.html.en |
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| 02:53.48 | yggdrasil | sc30317: just poplulating an esxi server with little ram. for cisco network testing purposes. |
| 02:54.02 | yggdrasil | want about 8 64 mb vm's |
| 02:54.09 | edju | tuv, apt-get update, msg said malformed url. |
| 02:54.25 | yggdrasil | just need like ping, tracert |
| 02:54.27 | yggdrasil | lynx |
| 02:54.29 | yggdrasil | sshd |
| 02:54.38 | yggdrasil | im looking at ttylinux... |
| 02:54.43 | yggdrasil | 16 mb |
| 02:54.43 | yggdrasil | mb |
| 02:55.02 | tuv | edju: check your sources.list, or pastebin it |
| 02:55.27 | sc30317 | yggdrasil, I think that 64MB should be fine |
| 02:55.35 | edju | tuv, I did. Before the arch stuff, update worked fine. |
| 02:55.35 | sc30317 | if you aren't running anything graphical |
| 02:55.36 | yggdrasil | hmm |
| 02:55.40 | yggdrasil | i like deb. |
| 02:55.48 | sc30317 | me too buddy, me too :) |
| 02:55.49 | yggdrasil | nah just gui stuff to prove network theory |
| 02:55.58 | sc30317 | ? |
| 02:56.00 | sc30317 | you just said |
| 02:56.04 | yggdrasil | uh cli sorry |
| 02:56.07 | yggdrasil | kids being a brat |
| 02:56.11 | sc30317 | hahaha understand |
| 02:56.36 | yggdrasil | im gonna check out this ttylinux first if i cant install with ease ill lay out some debs |
| 02:56.57 | yggdrasil | i have my esxi box with 3 nics and a small cisco lab |
| 02:57.07 | yggdrasil | im planning on having a really good weekend ! |
| 02:57.11 | yggdrasil | wish i had mor nics |
| 02:57.39 | yggdrasil | and ram |
| 02:57.40 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 02:57.56 | yggdrasil | sc30317: thanks |
| 02:58.19 | edju | tuv, http://pastebin.com/Bq1uup1w |
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| 03:01.25 | staykov | hi - im trying to hook up another instance of sshd to run, i copied the startup script and changed some stuff like /var/run dir and the pid file |
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| 03:01.35 | GinTonicool | china here I can't visit sites like youtube ,facebook,,,, does someone tell me how to do ,can you give me software base on debian or windows ?thanks |
| 03:01.40 | staykov | is that how you guys would do it? |
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| 03:05.53 | Riztonn | sorry I am trying to do this command on my debian "echo "1024" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_syn_backlog" but I do have permission denied and I am connected as root user so I dont understand why :-/ |
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| 03:07.17 | madcat1990 | Guys, I need help |
| 03:07.21 | madcat1990 | my Xorg keeps dying |
| 03:07.26 | madcat1990 | everytime I open a terminal |
| 03:07.30 | madcat1990 | or a browser window |
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| 03:07.33 | Isvara | The libzmq1 package provides libzmq.so.1, but the Java library I'm using is expecting libzmq.so. It works fine if I add the symlink myself. Is this package in the wrong for not providing the .so file? |
| 03:07.41 | madcat1990 | I've gone to messages and saw that there's an segfault happening |
| 03:07.45 | madcat1990 | somehow related to libglib2 |
| 03:07.50 | madcat1990 | what should I do? |
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| 03:08.27 | madcat1990 | guys? come on! |
| 03:09.02 | TekkBuzz | madcat1990: what wm you running? |
| 03:09.07 | madcat1990 | xfwm4 |
| 03:09.25 | madcat1990 | I reinstalled Dbus, libglib2, xfwm4 xfce4, etc.. |
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| 03:09.58 | GinTonicool | china here I can't visit sites like youtube ,facebook,,,, does someone tell me how to do ,can you give me software base on debian or windows ?thanks |
| 03:10.23 | mumpitzel | GinTonicool: tor.eff.org |
| 03:10.30 | TekkBuzz | you try disabling any desktop effects? |
| 03:10.36 | madcat1990 | just did |
| 03:10.37 | madcat1990 | no avail |
| 03:10.42 | mumpitzel | and it's not a debian problem in any way GinTonicool |
| 03:11.22 | TekkBuzz | sorry I don't use xfwm4, maybe someone else can help. |
| 03:11.34 | mumpitzel | madcat1990: how did you reinstall those packages? |
| 03:11.48 | madcat1990 | mumpitzel: I used dpkg-reconfigure and apt-get install --reinstall |
| 03:12.31 | GinTonicool | mumpitzel, yes ,i know ,anyone of chinese here can't visit those sites |
| 03:13.03 | GinTonicool | mumpitzel ,i'm using firefox or chrome ,can you tell me how can i visit facebook ,twiter,,,,etc ? |
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| 03:14.02 | Riztonn | why do I have permissied denied for this command echo "1024" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_syn_backlog and I am connecting as root and tcp_max_syn_backlog belong to root user |
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| 03:15.43 | dlynes | Does anyone happen to know which Canadian mirrors have wheezy? I seem to be striking out on every one I try |
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| 03:17.34 | madcat1990 | screw this |
| 03:17.37 | madcat1990 | linux sucks |
| 03:17.55 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:20.05 | Riztonn | nobody here has never had any problem to change the tcp_max_syn_backlog on debian ? |
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| 03:21.16 | axisys_ | how should one install multiple perl modules ? one way is cat list-of-perl-modules | cpanm --interactive .. is there a better way to do it? |
| 03:21.25 | _jam | I had postgresql 9.0 installed from backports. Installing 9.1 did not migrate the database files |
| 03:22.11 | _jam | is there an easier way than restoring from backups manually to migrate? |
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| 03:31.30 | Nirvash | Does anyone have experience with mumble on a debian server? |
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| 03:33.36 | floyin | Nirvash: I had it setup for a bit at one point. |
| 03:34.42 | Nirvash | floyin: I have a file /etc/mumble-server.ini that's stopping "murmurd" from executing. If I rename "mumble-server.ini" to "mumble-server.ini.bk" it works perfectly. How can I tell what conf "murmurd" is using? |
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| 03:36.41 | |zacts| | hi, doc on dual booting debian 7.0 with windows 8 UEFI? |
| 03:36.47 | |zacts| | secureboot is already disabled |
| 03:36.50 | floyin | Nirvash: it might just be going back to defaults when it cant find the file. |
| 03:37.12 | |zacts| | BIOS compat mode is enabled |
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| 03:38.04 | Nirvash | floyin: Is there any command to force it to generate that .ini again? I messed up and used my old .ini instead of using the values like I was supposed to |
| 03:39.22 | floyin | Nirvash: you could try a "dpkg-reconfigure mumble-server". I'm installing it on my server to see if I can replicate this. |
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| 03:40.13 | Nirvash | floyin: Alright, that's what I'm trying right now. |
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| 03:40.42 | Nirvash | My problem is that I have mumble-server and murmurd and the configuration was a bit obtuse |
| 03:42.54 | mumpitzel | !confmiss |
| 03:42.55 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 03:43.04 | mumpitzel | that should recreate the config files |
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| 03:45.26 | Nirvash | mumpitzel: Wow, that kinda blew my mind so apt -i dpkg murmurd.ini? |
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| 03:48.39 | mumpitzel | no you don't |
| 03:49.00 | floyin | Nirvash: yeah, I'm not having any lick |
| 03:49.02 | floyin | luck* |
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| 03:49.10 | debdeb | hi |
| 03:49.20 | reavengrey | lick |
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| 03:49.48 | Nirvash | floyin: So best bet is to "apt-get purge mumble-server && apt-get install mumble-server && dpkg-reconfigure mumble-server" |
| 03:51.05 | floyin | Nirvash: you could do that or see about trying what mumpitzel said |
| 03:51.33 | Nirvash | floyin: Alright |
| 03:51.43 | Nirvash | I'm just not understanding his command exactly to be honest |
| 03:51.47 | Nirvash | I'm a bit dense tonight |
| 03:53.20 | debdeb | 1.) problem: network-manager doesnt work as expected. 2.) problem: deja-dup depends on a working network-connection with network-manager... 3.) it is a bridged network... 4.) it is known, my network-manager cant manage bridges 5.) a fix would be to install network-manager 0.9.8, which "Brings bridging support"... unfortunately i dont find a squeeze.deb for it |
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| 03:53.55 | mumpitzel | ,versions network-manager |
| 03:53.56 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 0.9.4.0-10; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; sid: 0.9.8.0-5 |
| 03:54.00 | debdeb | help? |
| 03:54.08 | mumpitzel | debdeb: use debian stable then |
| 03:54.32 | mumpitzel | oh seems not advanced enough either. so you can't |
| 03:54.34 | debdeb | its just 5 days old! ;-) |
| 03:55.36 | debdeb | uhm... its sid.. not stable |
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| 03:55.51 | debdeb | sid: 0.9.8.0-5 |
| 03:55.57 | Nirvash | mumpitzel: Would you mind babying me through that dpkg command? |
| 03:56.04 | mumpitzel | yes |
| 03:56.28 | Nirvash | Haha, someone using "would you mind" correctly. Thank you for that at least |
| 03:57.02 | mumpitzel | the command is very straightforward imho. only thing you can change is $packagename |
| 03:57.19 | mumpitzel | rest is all verbatim |
| 03:57.34 | Nirvash | I don't know how to scroll up in irssi honestly, so I can't see that dpkg paste from before |
| 03:57.47 | dlynes | Does anyone happen to know any fast mirrors that have wheezy available? I've tried several Canadian mirrors, and they're still sitting on the previous version |
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| 03:58.15 | floyin | Nirvash: pgup. and i believe the command is "sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall mumble-server" |
| 03:58.35 | debdeb | Nirvash: default is PgUp |
| 03:58.51 | mumpitzel | dlynes: simple http.debian.net |
| 03:59.08 | mumpitzel | !tell dlynes about sources.list |
| 03:59.34 | debdeb | isnt there a too, which cooses automatically a fast mirror? |
| 03:59.53 | Nirvash | 0_0 40+ errors looks like |
| 03:59.57 | debdeb | i remember i have seen such a thing |
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| 04:00.20 | rjsalts | debdeb: there is a program that tests all the mirrors and finds the fastest one |
| 04:00.36 | Nirvash | ServerDB: Failed initialization: unable to open database file Error opening database |
| 04:01.00 | debdeb | rjsalts: yes.... see dlynes |
| 04:01.11 | dlynes | mumpitzel, that mirror doesn't support wheezy either |
| 04:01.17 | rjsalts | dlynes: apt-spy |
| 04:01.38 | rjsalts | dlynes: does bandwidth test on all the mirrors to pick the fastest one for you |
| 04:01.57 | dlynes | rjsalts, and you can run that from the debian network install cd? |
| 04:02.11 | dlynes | mumpitzel, trying your msg from dpkg now, though |
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| 04:02.28 | debdeb | ok. back to network-manager... i dont like to mix a sid-package in here... the often have a lot of ugly dependencies... and network-manager will have a lot of them |
| 04:02.49 | rjsalts | dlynes: no, It appears you can't |
| 04:02.59 | debdeb | i thing i prefer to build it myself |
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| 04:06.05 | dlynes | mumpitzel, perhaps this log entry might help tell you why it's not working for me: DEBUG: command: wget -q http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
| 04:06.20 | dlynes | mumpitzel, WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (wheezy) |
| 04:08.40 | debdeb | does anyone have too much time? and want to build the newest https://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ for squeeze? ;-) |
| 04:10.08 | _jam | i'm looking for the postgresql-9.0 package that was at some point in squeeze backports. but I can't seem to find it now. anyone have a pointer to it? |
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| 04:10.33 | Arrowmaster | try archive.debian.org |
| 04:11.53 | rjsalts | _jam: I think snapshot.debian.org would be more useful |
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| 04:14.22 | mumpitzel | dlynes: then check to which server http.debian.net maps for you. maybe use a dedicated US server for now: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full#US |
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| 04:15.00 | dlynes | mumpitzel, Yeah...I don't think it's the mirrors |
| 04:15.09 | dlynes | mumpitzel, I think it's the choose-mirror code |
| 04:15.36 | dlynes | mumpitzel, I just downloaded that Release file on another machine, and that debug command outputs what you would expect |
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| 04:16.04 | dlynes | mumpitzel, and the wheezy distribution is actually on all of those servers |
| 04:17.18 | _jam | yea, I can't find 9.0 in either of these |
| 04:17.38 | _jam | I see 8.4, 9.1, and 9.2 |
| 04:18.29 | mumpitzel | Jarus: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/postgresql-9.0/ |
| 04:18.32 | nickmoeck | Hi. I was just wondering if anyone else is experiencing a problem using "d-i passwd/root-password-crypted password [MD5 hash]" in a preseed file. It seems to me that it's not working properly - I can't login, and /etc/shadow just contains the hash itself, not $1$[Hash] as I would expect. |
| 04:19.10 | _jam | mumpitzel: thanks! |
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| 04:19.29 | _jam | i was flipping through archive |
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| 04:53.48 | nickmoeck | Who do I speak to / where would I find out more information about getting the official debian docs updated? |
| 04:54.37 | nevyn | file a bug? |
| 04:54.45 | nevyn | !bts |
| 04:54.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 04:55.14 | nickmoeck | nevyn: is there a specific package that I should file the bug against? something like "debian-docs" or ? |
| 04:56.31 | nevyn | it depends what piece of documentation it is. |
| 04:56.46 | nevyn | the install guide is maintained by different people to the reference. |
| 04:56.50 | nevyn | for example |
| 04:57.03 | nevyn | which is different to the website team |
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| 04:59.17 | nickmoeck | Alright, well, this would be for the installation guide - specifically the d-i preseed section |
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| 05:01.41 | nevyn | file it against d-i |
| 05:01.53 | nickmoeck | okay, thank you nevyn |
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| 05:06.40 | hays | does debian publish a recommended sources.list for apt wheezy |
| 05:06.54 | hays | it is unclear to me what lines are needed |
| 05:08.19 | smw | hays, you need two repos, the main wheezy repo and the security updates repo |
| 05:08.38 | smw | hays, everything else is optional (well, I guess they are all optional but those are the important ones) |
| 05:08.56 | hays | what about deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main |
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| 05:10.25 | smw | hays, not sure, I just have http://fpaste.org/11398/36816261/ |
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| 05:11.13 | smw | hays, I also have the deb-src lines for each and backports. But those are the main repos |
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| 05:14.46 | stojic | hays: I have both wheezy/updates and wheezy-updates, afaik wheezy-updates is for volatile packages so it isn't needed normally |
| 05:15.13 | smw | stojic, volatile? |
| 05:16.08 | stojic | smw: things like antivirus databases and similar, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html |
| 05:16.17 | smw | stojic, thanks |
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| 05:19.03 | stojic | naming these /updates and -updates is a bit unfortunate imho |
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| 05:20.12 | themill | s/a bit/very/ |
| 05:20.27 | hays | is there somewhere i can read about the different repos |
| 05:21.02 | hays | this info for some reason is hard to find |
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| 05:21.51 | TekkBuzz | hays: apt-get.org |
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| 05:22.53 | stojic | hays: see this chapter, especially Table 2.2. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_archive_basics |
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| 05:23.30 | stojic | hays: it's a bit out of date because wheezy is stable now |
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| 05:25.44 | hays | that is helpful. |
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| 05:28.14 | hays | so stable-updates... is.. |
| 05:28.30 | hays | important updates to stable... why would those not just go in stable |
| 05:30.10 | stojic | hays: Not sure, I think only security fixes and fixes for very severe bugs go into stable normally |
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| 05:35.34 | caf | hays: they are eventually rolled into an updated stable, for example squeeze ended up at 6.0.7 |
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| 05:41.25 | capri | hey, i want to change the debian wheezy picture at the "Debian Grapihcal Install". The Picture is at the top of the graphical installer, anyone knows how i could change that? |
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| 05:46.08 | Axlin | Hey everyone. Every time I use apt-listchanges, I get 404s. Is there any way to define the URL it uses to search for changelogs? packages.debian.org does have changelogs, but at a different source than apt-listchanges is querying. |
| 05:47.51 | smw | capri, I have never done it before, but I am sure you can find the image file and replace it. |
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| 05:51.04 | Axlin | Here's a sample apt-listchanges output for ntfs-3g. I'm running testing, btw. http://paste.debian.net/3302/ |
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| 05:54.05 | capri | smw: i extrected the image allready and i had found the splash.png for the splash screen, but i couldn't found the image from the graphical installer. :-/ |
| 05:54.24 | capri | image means picture/logo |
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| 05:55.35 | smw | capri, I don't know anything about the graphical installer. Perhaps it is boxed in one of the udebs? |
| 05:56.24 | capri | smw: that could be. could you give me a hint how i could search at those udebs? |
| 05:56.44 | smw | capri, unzip them and look for images I guess |
| 05:57.19 | smw | capri, I can't imagine why any of the udevs would have pictures for another reason |
| 05:57.47 | smw | capri, assuming it is in there, there will be few pictures to search through |
| 05:57.54 | smw | just unpack and do a find |
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| 06:00.35 | anddam | capri: what picture is it? |
| 06:01.20 | capri | anddam: the picture at the graphical installer. that at the top/right. its the debian name and logo |
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| 06:03.59 | capri | http://chezlefab.net/poubelle/8ebf362d6e681e53166e/grub-installer_only_debian_0.png <-- that at the top |
| 06:04.08 | capri | anddam: http://chezlefab.net/poubelle/8ebf362d6e681e53166e/grub-installer_only_debian_0.png |
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| 06:08.42 | divkis01 | Has anyone got skype working on wheezy? |
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| 06:09.36 | smw | divkis01, yep |
| 06:09.56 | smw | divkis01, http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 06:10.24 | smw | divkis01, feel free to ask any questions if http://wiki.debian.org/skype#On_Debian_7.0 doesn't help |
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| 06:12.42 | divkis01 | @smw: I have tried that but unfortunately it does not work |
| 06:13.02 | smw | divkis01, ok, what did you try and what happened? |
| 06:13.04 | divkis01 | it shows a lot of dependencies are unfulfilled and just does not work |
| 06:13.11 | smw | 32bit or 64bit? |
| 06:13.18 | divkis01 | I have a 64 bit machine |
| 06:13.30 | smw | so what happened? |
| 06:13.32 | truexfan81 | divkis01: that wiki is actually backwards from the way i did the 3rd step |
| 06:13.43 | truexfan81 | i ran sudo apt-get install -f |
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| 06:14.16 | truexfan81 | it then installed the missing stuff and i was able to run skype |
| 06:14.27 | divkis01 | I think there was a bug filed for this issue ... can't recall the bug number though |
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| 06:14.51 | jelly-home | divkis01: you WILL have to be more specific if you want actual help |
| 06:14.56 | divkis01 | the debian packages is no more downloadable using wget -O skype-install.deb http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb |
| 06:14.57 | truexfan81 | divkis01: i am running skype on debian wheezy without issue altho i am on 32bit |
| 06:14.58 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 06:15.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:15.03 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 06:15.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:15.44 | divkis01 | I downloaded skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb from skype.com |
| 06:15.51 | jelly-home | divkis01: include the full output and the commands you ran in a paste |
| 06:15.52 | divkis01 | when I install it .. this is what I get |
| 06:15.55 | divkis01 | sure |
| 06:16.00 | divkis01 | just a sec |
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| 06:16.59 | capri | smw: there are pictures in the udev packages. a lot... ;-) |
| 06:17.16 | smw | capri, lol |
| 06:17.21 | divkis01 | smw: http://paste.debian.net/3305/ |
| 06:17.25 | smw | any udev package names look promising? |
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| 06:18.02 | smw | divkis01, um, did you run the other two commands? |
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| 06:18.29 | jelly-home | divkis01: this is normal. what happens after "apt-get -f install"? |
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| 06:18.43 | Nirvash | This may be stupid, but if I needed to add sources to install a program correctly, should I leave those sources or remove them once install is done? |
| 06:19.00 | smw | divkis01, are you following the i386 section or the amd64 section of the wiki? |
| 06:19.01 | jelly-home | divkis01: except for line 26, that looks cut off |
| 06:19.10 | smw | divkis01, you claimed you were using amd64 |
| 06:19.17 | divkis01 | smw: yeah |
| 06:19.29 | divkis01 | when I tried sudo apt-get install -f |
| 06:19.31 | divkis01 | this is what I get |
| 06:19.35 | truexfan81 | Nirvash: it will be fine either way, however you could just comment it out by adding a # in front of the source, it would then be disabled |
| 06:20.00 | divkis01 | http://paste.debian.net/3306/ |
| 06:20.10 | smw | Nirvash, depends, keeping it means you will get updates |
| 06:20.16 | Nirvash | Alright, I just didn't know if it was a potential vulnerability to leave unused sources |
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| 06:20.28 | Nirvash | Ah, I guess I should keep it then seeing as they update the hell out of murmurd |
| 06:20.29 | divkis01 | smwL It asks me to uninstall gnome |
| 06:20.33 | divkis01 | smw: It asks me to uninstall gnome |
| 06:20.54 | truexfan81 | what asks you to uninstall gnome? |
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| 06:21.17 | jelly-home | divkis01: run "aptitude markauto gnome" if you wish to keep it |
| 06:21.34 | Nirvash | I've never seen markauto, what's that flag do? |
| 06:21.39 | smw | divkis01, it also wants to uninstall skype |
| 06:21.40 | jelly-home | truexfan81: what stops you from reading the context and the paste related? |
| 06:21.53 | truexfan81 | jelly-home: was helping someone else |
| 06:22.14 | smw | divkis01, do dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update; apt-get -f install |
| 06:22.22 | divkis01 | smw: yeah and a host of other things too |
| 06:22.40 | jelly-home | truexfan81: so be a good helper now, and do "/lastlog username" before asking questions |
| 06:22.59 | divkis01 | smw: I have done that too.. but that does not work |
| 06:23.06 | divkis01 | let me do that again |
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| 06:23.31 | divkis01 | dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 06:23.31 | dpkg | i don't know, divkis01 |
| 06:24.04 | jelly-home | divkis01: you have unrelated issues; one is getting skype deps available and installed, the other is apt thinks you asked it to remove gnome, mate and possibly other stuff. |
| 06:24.06 | divkis01 | smw: it shows i386 |
| 06:24.11 | Nirvash | As an aside: I love those flags that are stupidly explicit like so. If it says to remove gnome/skype, why not just purge and reinstall? |
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| 06:25.14 | jelly-home | uh... and I meant "aptitude unmarkauto gnome" |
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| 06:26.00 | divkis01 | jelly-home: so would I need to unmarkauto all the packages which it is trying to uninstall? |
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| 06:26.26 | jelly-home | divkis01: not all of them, just the crown ones that hold all the others installed |
| 06:26.39 | jelly-home | "gnome" seems like a good start |
| 06:27.04 | divkis01 | it sends me shivers... to uninstall all of those .. |
| 06:27.12 | divkis01 | not sure if my system would work after that.. |
| 06:27.29 | divkis01 | in any case it is asking to uninstall skype |
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| 06:27.37 | divkis01 | so how does that help? |
| 06:27.49 | jelly-home | like I said, two unrelated issues |
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| 06:28.14 | jelly-home | both need fixing |
| 06:28.33 | divkis01 | well what is the other issue? If I remove skype then doing apt-get install -f ... does not ask to remove anything. |
| 06:28.56 | jelly-home | sure, but then you don't have skype |
| 06:28.58 | capri | smw: but that picture from the graphical installer isn't in there. i dont know where the installer get it from, im confused |
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| 06:29.33 | smw | capri, not sure |
| 06:29.53 | divkis01 | jelly-home: agreed ... but when I install skype from debian package .. and then do apt-get install -f ... it i asking me to remove skype anyway .. |
| 06:30.00 | smw | capri, I can't even find the source for the graphical installer :-\ |
| 06:30.09 | jelly-home | divkis01: sigh. Fix the gnome thing first. |
| 06:30.12 | divkis01 | once it has run this .. it will anyways not have skype installed |
| 06:30.19 | divkis01 | alright |
| 06:30.22 | divkis01 | let me try |
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| 06:32.57 | capri | anddam: you got any idear where i could find that image? |
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| 06:34.53 | divkis01 | jelly-home: after I did sudo aptitude unmarkauto gnome gnome-core gnome-applets mate-desktop-environment this is what I get: http://paste.debian.net/3307/ |
| 06:35.36 | divkis01 | i.e. when I accept the default solution it proposes |
| 06:35.53 | jelly-home | divkis01: that's much better |
| 06:36.22 | divkis01 | jelly-home: but that uninstalls skype .. |
| 06:36.29 | divkis01 | so I am back to square one.. |
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| 06:36.49 | jelly-home | divkis01: yes, that's what "fix one thing at a time means" |
| 06:37.43 | somiaj | divkis01: is this wheezy? do you have multiarch enabled? |
| 06:37.44 | jelly-home | divkis01: what does "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" say? |
| 06:37.57 | divkis01 | yeah this is wheezy and I do have multiarch enabled |
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| 06:38.08 | somiaj | did you apt-get update after you added the arch? |
| 06:38.29 | divkis01 | yeah .. |
| 06:38.43 | somiaj | what does apt-get install libc6:i386 do? |
| 06:39.02 | divkis01 | it shows that it is already installed |
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| 06:39.47 | divkis01 | btw I am running system with some packages installed from sid |
| 06:39.47 | divkis01 | specially the glibc .. |
| 06:39.59 | divkis01 | as the glibc on wheey is quite old. |
| 06:40.07 | jelly-home | divkis01: they you're not running wheezy any more |
| 06:40.11 | jelly-home | then* |
| 06:40.50 | divkis01 | sure... but I had tried to install skype even before I upgraded my eglibc |
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| 06:40.55 | divkis01 | and then also I had the same issue |
| 06:41.15 | jelly-home | and it will be VERY hard to divine the exact reason, now |
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| 06:41.33 | somiaj | divkis01: do not mix stable and unstable |
| 06:41.46 | somiaj | divkis01: either downgrade to only wheezy or upgrade to sid |
| 06:42.07 | jelly-home | (sid is very, very unstable at the moment) |
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| 06:42.55 | divkis01 | yeah that is why I do not want to upgrade to side at the moment. .. |
| 06:43.25 | divkis01 | and as far as mixing stable and unstable .. unfortunately even on testing the eglibc is 2.13 .. |
| 06:43.34 | divkis01 | only on sid we have 2.17 |
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| 06:43.42 | somiaj | divkis01: and it will be that version for the life of wheezy |
| 06:43.48 | somiaj | divkis01: again don't mix, choose one or the other |
| 06:43.58 | divkis01 | yes that is why I had to mix packages .. |
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| 06:44.14 | divkis01 | nevertheless it is a separate issue .. |
| 06:44.23 | somiaj | no it is not, it is the main issue. |
| 06:44.27 | divkis01 | the issue that I was facing was even before I upgraded my eglibc |
| 06:44.28 | jelly-home | divkis01: you could have set up a separate chroot and keep the OS intact |
| 06:45.07 | divkis01 | yeah that was another idea ... although I found that cumbersome at the that point in time .. |
| 06:45.09 | jelly-home | it's now impossible to say what step was missing before |
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| 06:45.31 | divkis01 | well I had exactly the same issue with wheezy as well |
| 06:45.38 | divkis01 | even before upgrade |
| 06:45.54 | bitonic | I forget this routinely... how do you see a list of explicitly installed packages? if even possible? |
| 06:45.56 | divkis01 | and I had followed the instructions as listed here: http://wiki.debian.org/skype#On_Debian_7.0 |
| 06:46.04 | jelly-home | divkis01: you had the same symptoms; whether it's the same issue or not, it's impossible to say now |
| 06:46.11 | divkis01 | hmm |
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| 06:47.31 | jelly-home | bitonic: /msg dpkg aptitude clone -- that first aptitude command |
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| 06:48.08 | bitonic | jelly-home: cheers |
| 06:50.56 | jelly-home | divkis01: getting any sid sources out of the configuration and downgrading too new packages might take you to kinda-sorta wheezy again |
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| 06:54.13 | somiaj | bitonic: dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:54.30 | somiaj | bitonic: oh do you want to see if the Auto flag is on a package or not? |
| 06:54.42 | somiaj | bitonic: aptitude search ~i |
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| 07:02.59 | bitonic | somiaj: thanks, divkis01 had already suggested something |
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| 07:17.31 | divkis01 | jelly-home: it seems I am out of luck.. |
| 07:18.03 | divkis01 | appears I won't be able to run skype on my system |
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| 07:22.35 | somiaj | if you don't fix your mixing wheezy and sid issue you may find other things won't work either. |
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| 07:23.43 | JyZyXEL | sudo modprobe uvesafb mode_option=1280x1024-16 |
| 07:23.45 | JyZyXEL | sudo rmmod uvesafb |
| 07:23.46 | JyZyXEL | Error: Module uvesafb is in use |
| 07:23.53 | JyZyXEL | how do i change the mode_option? |
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| 07:26.03 | zetheroo | would anyone be able to pastebin a current Wheezy (stable) source.list file pls? |
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| 07:27.12 | somiaj | zetheroo: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
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| 07:27.43 | zetheroo | somiaj: hmm .. not getting anything ;) |
| 07:27.46 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I think you will have to setup the options in /etc/modprobe.d/ file, and then reboot as you can't reload/load that module as you are using it |
| 07:28.16 | somiaj | zetheroo: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 07:28.38 | zetheroo | somiaj: nope ... still nothing ... |
| 07:28.43 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: i added: video=uvesafb:mode_option=YOURMODE to /etc/default/grub |
| 07:29.10 | JyZyXEL | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="consoleblank=0 video=uvesafb:mode_option=1024x768-16" |
| 07:29.19 | JyZyXEL | and did update-grub; update-initramfs -u |
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| 07:29.50 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: it appears you do not have a colon after consoleblank=0 |
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| 07:30.01 | JyZyXEL | there needs to be a colon? |
| 07:30.24 | JyZyXEL | i don't think kernel parameters need that? |
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| 07:31.24 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: maybe it is a common |
| 07:31.32 | somiaj | You need some symbol to seperate the options |
| 07:32.09 | JyZyXEL | well there is an SPC |
| 07:32.21 | somiaj | try consoleblank=0,video=uvesafb:1025x768-16" |
| 07:32.30 | somiaj | oh yea a space is enough, the example I see uses commans |
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| 07:33.01 | JyZyXEL | you see stuff like "ro quiet splash" quite often |
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| 07:34.38 | somiaj | well the example I saw also just used vidoe=uvesafb:1024x768-16 |
| 07:35.06 | somiaj | but I don't know enough abou tthat module to be of to much help |
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| 07:36.08 | JyZyXEL | hmm well i rebooted and its hard to say if anything changed :D |
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| 07:36.57 | JyZyXEL | yeah it did not work |
| 07:37.17 | JyZyXEL | uvesafb is not loaded |
| 07:37.31 | JyZyXEL | now that i manually modprobe it, it works |
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| 07:38.40 | spreeuw | is the pm-suspend related maintainer in here? |
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| 07:38.50 | JyZyXEL | v86d is automatically integrated into your initrd. The only thing you'll need is to load uvesafb by adding video=uvesafb:mode_option=YOURMODE to your boot parameters. |
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| 07:39.05 | JyZyXEL | how do i add stuff to initrd boot parameters? |
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| 07:39.55 | somiaj | spreeuw: why do you need the matainer? |
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| 07:40.19 | anddam | capri: I don't |
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| 07:40.59 | spreeuw | since I cant find a bugzilla for debian i'd like to report that HP635 laptop requires pm-suspend --quirk-vbe-post on wheezy |
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| 07:42.24 | JyZyXEL | maybe ill add "modprobe uvesafb mode_option=1024x768-16" into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 07:42.28 | jelly-home | divkis01: even after downgrading, why? |
| 07:43.08 | somiaj | spreeuw: bugs.debian.org |
| 07:43.10 | JyZyXEL | no wait, its not a module in initramfs |
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| 07:43.54 | JyZyXEL | since v86d is integrated in the initrd kernel you have to specify the mode_option as a kernel boot parameter |
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| 07:44.01 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: would just loading the module with /etc/modules and adding those options to /etc/modprobe.d/ work, or do you want it early druing the boot? |
| 07:44.17 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: i also want it during initrd |
| 07:44.43 | somiaj | You can build your own custom initrd, I just have never done such a thing |
| 07:45.01 | JyZyXEL | im sure one doesn't have to go that far |
| 07:45.12 | JyZyXEL | it says in README.Debian that v86d is automatically integrated into your initrd. |
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| 07:45.39 | JyZyXEL | it just forgets to mention HOW you add boot parameters to initrd |
| 07:46.19 | jelly-home | spreeuw: debian has http://bugs.debian.org/, you will want to file a bug using the "reportbug" tool |
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| 07:47.21 | spreeuw | too much work |
| 07:47.30 | spreeuw | dont they have a web interface or something? |
| 07:47.37 | spreeuw | I dont want to share email |
| 07:48.27 | somiaj | spreeuw: you have to email it from some address |
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| 07:48.56 | iceroot | hi |
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| 07:49.52 | iceroot | today i installed debian 7 in vmware and it was telling me that because of missing 3d support, there will be some gnome3 functions be missing, now it looks excactly like gnome2. is this the fallback mode? or is debian 7 still using gnome2? (which is great) |
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| 07:50.06 | somiaj | iceroot: fallback mode |
| 07:50.14 | somiaj | iceroot: debian 7 uses gnome 3.4 I belive |
| 07:50.25 | iceroot | somiaj: that is a default in gnome3? or is it debian specific? |
| 07:50.29 | fairway | Hi. Jessie is new testing? |
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| 07:50.49 | somiaj | iceroot: fallback is default in gnome3, it triggers if it detects a card cannot support it |
| 07:50.53 | somiaj | fairway: yes |
| 07:51.24 | iceroot | somiaj: so i guess i can also use fallback mode even when my hardware supports 3d, so that i can use a real desktop instead of unity, kde4 and gnome3 |
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| 07:51.52 | somiaj | iceroot: I don't know if you can turn fallback mode on with a modern card |
| 07:52.13 | somiaj | iceroot: use xfce or lxde or one of the many other wm's that debian offers if you dont' like gnome3 |
| 07:52.18 | jelly-home | iceroot: kde4 is unreal? |
| 07:52.20 | iceroot | somiaj: ok but thank you for the useful info |
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| 07:52.42 | iceroot | jelly-home: kde4 is in my opinion unusable like win7, to much strange stuff in there |
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| 07:53.02 | jelly-home | iceroot: you can disable most of the stuff you find strange |
| 07:53.04 | iceroot | but that is just my opinion, kde 3.5 was great, kde4 was like win7 |
| 07:53.26 | jelly-home | I find xfce and kde4 interchangeable; in fact, I use both |
| 07:53.39 | somiaj | iceroot: there is no stoping development. Unless you want to use an old snapshot that you matain yourself you either have to roll witht he punches or finda new de or wm. |
| 07:54.29 | iceroot | somiaj: not doing strange stuff does not mean stopping development :) like on lxde or xfce4 which is getting new features but its still the same |
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| 07:55.32 | iceroot | and kde4, win8, gnome3, unity are strange stuff :) |
| 07:55.44 | somiaj | iceroot: it is development, and is in control of those who lead the team |
| 07:56.01 | somiaj | iceroot: but as I said, pick a nice wm. fvwm has changed so little for me my desktop looks the same as it ddi 10 years ago |
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| 07:56.45 | iceroot | i started GNU/Linux with gnome2 and i like the fallback mode i see on debian7, so i guess debian7 + gnome3 fallback will make me happy :) |
| 07:57.03 | somiaj | iceroot: I hope it treats you well |
| 07:57.17 | niteye | hello, in gnome3, how do i open applications? it only works once, after that it just opens an already-existing window if i do flag & search in the applications list |
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| 07:57.24 | iceroot | somiaj: thank you for the useful infos |
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| 07:59.01 | somiaj | niteye: do you want to open up another window in the application |
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| 07:59.13 | somiaj | niteye: can't you goto the file menu and tell teh applicaiton itself to open another window? |
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| 08:01.00 | niteye | for terminal windows, rightclicking and "open terminal" is IMO more cumbersome than flag & type term and press enter, also for virtualbox if you have a machine open, and closed the 'main' window, you have to shutdown the VM to get the main panel back because otherwise it just refocuses on your VM |
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| 08:01.48 | somiaj | niteye: look though gnome config options and see if you can turn that behavior off |
| 08:01.54 | niteye | okidoki |
| 08:01.58 | somiaj | niteye: as a non gnome user here I'm just guessing |
| 08:02.41 | cm13g09 | niteye: From what I recall, our systems team spent about 2 weeks trying to turn it off before giving up.... |
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| 08:03.22 | cm13g09 | It's a pity our managed desktops run GNOME3 and don't do any other DE... |
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| 08:04.26 | niteye | anyone knows if it's also possible to upgrade from squeeze ARM to wheezy ARMHF without too much hassle? |
| 08:04.51 | somiaj | niteye: have you checked the relase notes |
| 08:05.00 | somiaj | they should say the things to worry about during the dist-upgrade |
| 08:05.18 | somiaj | oh you want to change arch? |
| 08:05.27 | somiaj | not sure if you can dot hat without a reinstall, though use multiarch |
| 08:05.34 | niteye | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.59 | niteye | (and thats what she said) |
| 08:06.24 | somiaj | if the binary format is different then I don't think you can upgrade |
| 08:06.28 | somiaj | but not familar with arm |
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| 08:09.06 | iceroot | niteye: i just changed the kernel and using normally debian arm files (using raspbian whith a hard floating kernel) and normal debian arm packages |
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| 08:09.51 | iceroot | so i had no issues, i just had to change the kernel and i can use the normal binaries from debian |
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| 08:30.29 | gryzor | Greetings. It seems /usr/bin/less disapeared after my testing upgrade. |
| 08:31.28 | gryzor | ah, ok "apt-get install less" is fine. I could have tried before joining the channel :) |
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| 08:33.19 | zetheroo | would anyone be able to pastebin a current Wheezy (stable) source.list file pls? |
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| 08:36.17 | daemonkeeper | !wheezy sources.list |
| 08:36.18 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
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| 08:53.16 | Tjati | Hi there. I am looking for a document which explains for me the recommend software packages for several scenarios. Like: which software recommends / is the default using debian wheezy for SMTP and IMAP-servers? |
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| 08:58.30 | Riztonn | would you know why I cannot find libdb4.8-util in the source list ? |
| 08:58.32 | jelly-home | Tjati: dunno about default, but postfix and dovecot seem to be a reasonable choice and each has excellent documentation. |
| 08:58.44 | jelly-home | ,v libdb4.8-util |
| 08:58.44 | BigWoodFarmer | s |
| 08:58.45 | judd | No package named 'libdb4.8-util' was found in i386. |
| 08:58.54 | jelly-home | ,v db4.8-util |
| 08:58.56 | judd | Package: db4.8-util on i386 -- squeeze: 4.8.30-2; jessie: 4.8.30-12; sid: 4.8.30-12; wheezy: 4.8.30-12 |
| 08:59.00 | jelly-home | Riztonn: that's why |
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| 09:00.04 | Tjati | jelly-home: I found this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_mail_transport_agent_mta --- but theres nothing written about dovecot |
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| 09:00.22 | jelly-home | Tjati: dovecot is an imap and pop3 server |
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| 09:01.35 | rjsalts | Tjati: an MTA always refers to an smtp server |
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| 09:03.11 | Riztonn | jelly-home> I didnt get the reason why I cannot find libdb4.8-util ? |
| 09:03.20 | jelly-home | Riztonn: it's not called that. |
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| 09:03.36 | jelly-home | Riztonn: it's just db4.8-util |
| 09:03.46 | Riztonn | ah ok |
| 09:03.51 | Riztonn | the name has changed ! |
| 09:03.56 | jelly-home | nope |
| 09:04.02 | Riztonn | it has changed |
| 09:04.07 | jelly-home | negative on that |
| 09:04.15 | BigWoodFarmer | l |
| 09:04.19 | Riztonn | I am on this page : http://www.alsacreations.com/tuto/lire/614-Serveur-mail-Postfix.html |
| 09:04.42 | jelly-home | Riztonn: the berkeleydb -util packages in debian have been called db*-util for a decade or more |
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| 09:05.10 | jelly-home | if your page states 'libdb4.8-util', it's in error |
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| 09:05.31 | Riztonn | so why in the link I sent you it is written : "apt-get install postfix libsasl2-2 sasl2-bin libsasl2-modules libdb4.8-util procmail" |
| 09:05.50 | jelly-home | Riztonn: it's a typo. A mistake. A error. |
| 09:05.59 | Riztonn | I see |
| 09:06.04 | jelly-home | An error, even. |
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| 09:09.14 | Tjati | jelly-home: what du you recommend for smtp and imap? |
| 09:09.26 | Tjati | I am not sure how to make a decision |
| 09:09.35 | jelly-home | Tjati: here's an example of a reasonably complex setup with postfix and dovecot: http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze |
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| 09:11.11 | jelly-home | Tjati: well. I'm not sure how I'd approach that subject from zero experience, myself. SMTP is a complex field, takes months to start to get comfortable |
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| 09:12.00 | Tjati | jelly-home: uh. this howto looks very comfortable. |
| 09:12.19 | jelly-home | Tjati: with the hindsight of some experience, postfix can do most things you need. exim is probably even more configurable, but I find postfix easier to read and understand. |
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| 09:13.50 | jelly-home | Tjati: it's an excellent howto, started back with postfix 1.x and debian 3.0 and kept up-to-date to debian 6 |
| 09:13.52 | Tjati | Great advice. |
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| 09:14.32 | niteye | i hate it when i feel a bowel movement coming up, and it's starting to make me feel uncomfortable but it's not yet progressed enough to actually go to the bathroom |
| 09:14.37 | jelly-home | it's not a replacement for official docs tho, and it's not a replacement for wasting at least 2 months learning how SMTP works |
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| 09:14.51 | jelly-home | !ops niteye troll |
| 09:14.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: niteye troll |
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| 09:15.21 | niteye | oops that was supposed to go in a different channel |
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| 09:15.33 | Tjati | jelly-home: but I think it is a really good start |
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| 09:18.02 | jelly-home | Tjati: there shouldn't be significant changes in how postfix is set up from debian 6 to current; I'm not sure about dovecot though |
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| 09:27.40 | Jarris | can u tell me why my subinterface, defined in /etc/network/interfaces, is not automaticly startet at boot? it looks like "auto eth0:1" |
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| 09:28.27 | Jarris | and then for sure "iface eth0:1 ... adress ... " |
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| 09:32.55 | stickDeath | hi there, i'm facing a problem and need some help to solve it |
| 09:32.58 | stickDeath | i have installed nvidia drivers on debian 7 |
| 09:33.01 | stickDeath | for nvidia 6200 |
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| 09:33.03 | stickDeath | but now i only have 640x480 resolution |
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| 09:33.10 | stickDeath | how to fix this ? |
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| 09:33.25 | EmleyMoor | stickDeath: How did you install the drivers? |
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| 09:45.07 | tuxcrafter | how do i sent a SIGINFO to openntpd killall -l doesnt list SIGINFO |
| 09:45.57 | jmmy | any good link for name based virtual host for debian 6 |
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| 09:56.29 | adac | For my self made init script I do get: insserv: warning: script 'service' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 09:56.37 | adac | update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 09:57.02 | adac | any ideas? Do I really need special tags to make this work? |
| 09:57.03 | Walex | adac: so add a couple of lines with the default |
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| 09:57.35 | adac | Walex, what is the default? can you point me to that? |
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| 09:58.46 | Walex | adac: under Debian all services run in runlevels 2,3,4,5 so just copy the lines from another service starter |
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| 09:59.13 | adac | Walex, ok thank you! |
| 09:59.42 | jmmy | how do I change the colors of emacs html-helper-mode? |
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| 10:03.58 | Walex | jmmy: probably there is a set of variable settings in the source for font-lock mode |
| 10:05.35 | Walex | jmmy: in '/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/html-helper-mode' there is 'hhm-config.el' which defines a 'customize' set called " html-helper-faces" |
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| 10:06.01 | jmmy | Walex, thank you |
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| 10:06.36 | jmmy | I can change it in my bash emulator? |
| 10:06.40 | Walex | jmmy: 'Options>Customize Emacs>Specific group>' |
| 10:07.30 | Walex | jmmy: in text mode Emacs (if that is what you mean) you just call one of the 'customize' functions directly instead of via a menu |
| 10:08.23 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 10:08.46 | jmmy | I just changed my shell to a back background one and I'm happy, cause the yellow was too bright and hard too see on the white background, but is nice on the black background |
| 10:08.49 | dury | wheezy installed last night |
| 10:09.13 | dury | Just want A bit to customize |
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| 10:10.40 | jmmy | Walex, thx |
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| 10:11.27 | dury | and some errors that in squeeze was right for example.... can't launch gedit as root from terminal...how can I solve that? |
| 10:11.30 | phaer | Is there still a way of upgrading old lenny servers (directly or not) to whezy? |
| 10:11.41 | caf | yeah, upgrade via squeeze |
| 10:12.02 | phaer | caf: Upgrades from lenny to squeeze are still supported? :) |
| 10:12.06 | caf | squeeze should still be on the main mirrors for a year as "oldstable", after that it'll be on the archives only |
| 10:12.33 | dury | caf: how you got time |
| 10:12.41 | phaer | Ah nice, one of many reasons to love debian :) |
| 10:12.43 | dury | sorry |
| 10:13.09 | dury | I mean have you got time for me |
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| 10:13.44 | caf | the squeeze release notes are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes , read those before upgrading |
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| 10:14.04 | jelly-home | phaer: upgrades are always done from release-1 to release, no skipping. Using archive.debian.org, it should be possible to go from say debian 3.0 to debian 7, one step at a time. |
| 10:14.22 | dury | what a shame can't launch gedit as root in terminal :-( |
| 10:14.24 | caf | dury: i don't know the answer to your question, sorry |
| 10:14.36 | jelly-home | dury: use sudoedit. |
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| 10:15.06 | jelly-home | dury: or learn that vi thing already! |
| 10:15.45 | gawen | dury: or nano |
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| 10:18.45 | dury | all right thanks indeed |
| 10:18.56 | dury | be back later :-) |
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| 10:28.39 | ov3rmind | nice morning |
| 10:29.23 | alonzoh | is it? |
| 10:29.25 | alonzoh | should go outside |
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| 10:29.51 | gawen | it is |
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| 10:33.34 | ov3rmind | hello guys i am trying stream webcam live in debina i have tried with vlc and ffmpeg but no success any tip about ? |
| 10:33.51 | ov3rmind | s /debina/debian |
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| 10:40.51 | ov3rmind | anyone can help me to steam live webcam on debian ? |
| 10:41.10 | ov3rmind | s/steam/stream |
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| 10:52.23 | ov3rmind | i have read various texts indexed by the google stupid bot and nothing work for me i need stream live webcam on debian any can help.thanks :) |
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| 10:55.28 | Riztonn | I would like to have your opinion about DTC ? is it possible to install it without a principal domain name ? |
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| 11:07.16 | jelly-home | this dtc? |
| 11:07.19 | jelly-home | !DTC |
| 11:07.19 | dpkg | Domain Technologie Control (DTC) is a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel. Currently only in <experimental> because of a poor security track record. http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html |
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| 11:09.22 | alonzoh | as if there were such a thing as a hosting control panel with a good security track record |
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| 11:10.22 | jelly-home | funny, as the years go by, webmin seems to have impoved a bit |
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| 11:11.17 | alonzoh | knowing webmin, that's not saying much |
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| 11:11.35 | alonzoh | not that endurance doesn't count |
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| 11:14.46 | Riztonn | you think I shoulnt use dtc ? |
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| 11:15.27 | Riztonn | but you know sometimes when you dont know a lot about server administration, it could be safer using those kind of panel ? |
| 11:15.58 | jelly-home | Riztonn: if you choose to use it, be very careful and do not expose its interface to the internet. |
| 11:16.11 | loaden | hi, all! how to config ati driver from amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64.run ? It's works, but it will broken after random days. |
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| 11:16.41 | loaden | For now I'm just have do: `sudo aticonfig --initial` |
| 11:17.39 | jelly-home | Riztonn: there's no (easy) way around learning things; those kinds of panels do all sorts of stuff behind your back, and when something goes wrong, you end up having to figure out BOTH how your control panel works, AND how the backend functionality works |
| 11:18.03 | loaden | I'm asked dpkg use `fglrx dkms`, so I just do the follow command? |
| 11:18.04 | jelly-home | Riztonn: but yeah they might be useful in the beginning |
| 11:18.17 | loaden | aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
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| 11:19.52 | loaden | but, my card can't be supported by fglrx-driver : ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series , anycommens? |
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| 11:20.44 | Riztonn | jelly-home> I am not sure about using it :-/ it was easy for me to configure my server until I started with postfix and the mail part :-/ |
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| 11:24.19 | jelly-home | Riztonn: mail is complex. If you don't have to, don't host it yourself. |
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| 11:27.27 | Riztonn | jelly> but I would like to manage to make it ! even a simple stuff like user@my_ip_address which would be the same as user@domain1.com and user@domaine2.com |
| 11:30.16 | jelly-home | Riztonn: try google apps for business. |
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| 11:31.59 | Riztonn | jelly> I prefer to learn how to setup a mail server |
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| 11:32.39 | Subfusc | Riztonn: if you want to set up postfix as your mailserver, I strongly recommend buying a book. |
| 11:32.58 | Subfusc | it will save you a lot of time |
| 11:33.26 | Riztonn | jelly> what about the php mail() function if I do not have mail server ? |
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| 11:33.56 | jelly-home | Riztonn: you don't need a full-blown MTA to get mail() working. Use a nullclient instead. |
| 11:34.00 | Riztonn | Subfusc> is postfix the easiest way to setup a mail server ? |
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| 11:34.15 | jelly-home | !nullmailer |
| 11:34.16 | dpkg | i heard nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 11:34.16 | Subfusc | Riztonn: you can proxy that through google. It is possible to use your domains via google, but I personally wouldnt do that |
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| 11:34.47 | Riztonn | haha google and their data policy |
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| 11:34.56 | ov3rmind | *** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED *** |
| 11:34.57 | Subfusc | Riztonn: no, i think zimbra is easier, but I use postfix and dovecot, so I wouldnt know |
| 11:34.57 | ov3rmind | This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead. |
| 11:34.58 | Subfusc | :) |
| 11:35.20 | jelly-home | Riztonn: Something like msmtp-mta, or nullmailer, or ssmtp will be good enough to send mail OUT, if you have an account to send SMTP with authentication somewhere. |
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| 11:35.42 | Riztonn | yeah but I want a full mail server with hord IMP |
| 11:36.02 | Riztonn | would you have any good link for me ? please :-) |
| 11:36.08 | jelly-home | then prepare for 3-6 months of learning |
| 11:36.17 | Riztonn | I have 3 days to make it :-) |
| 11:36.50 | Subfusc | My first postfix setup took 2 days, but that was basic. I have spent a lot of time after that to perfect it. |
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| 11:36.52 | Subfusc | ;) |
| 11:37.32 | Riztonn | no but I am software engineer, I have a little background, but I have never been interested to server administration before |
| 11:37.48 | Riztonn | I like to make appz that's all |
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| 11:37.55 | Subfusc | Riztonn: hey, then you are in the same boat as me :) |
| 11:38.01 | cajg | Hellos, and thanks for Debian. Wave me away if this is the wrong place for this question: I want to install postgresql (with php and lighttpd) as part of installing tiny tiny rss |
| 11:38.15 | cajg | I notice the package is unavailable |
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| 11:38.44 | Riztonn | Subfusc> :-) and which book have you read ? what about the websites ? |
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| 11:39.05 | cajg | Obviously I would like to do this before the death of google reader |
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| 11:39.34 | cajg | So, should I wait a while or use another version of postgres? |
| 11:39.54 | Riztonn | cajg> it is good to be independant to google, that's what actually google want, that every data on their servers |
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| 11:40.38 | Subfusc | Riztonn: wait, I'll se if I can find the original tutorial i followed |
| 11:40.57 | dokma | I've set GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024 and ran update-grub2 and got set gfxmode=1280x1024 and set gfxpayload=keep in grub.conf |
| 11:41.03 | cajg | Riztonn: yes, but I'm on a very resource constrained gumstick machine so I need to use the lightest install option possible |
| 11:41.27 | dokma | at boot both monitors go to 1280x1024 but then when drm is loading my right monitor goes to 1680x1050 for some reason |
| 11:41.45 | dokma | is there any way to dig up why is the right monitor changing the resolution once more? |
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| 11:41.54 | Riztonn | Subfusc> thank you |
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| 11:42.28 | jelly-home | Riztonn: I mean, if you want a tutorial, at least pick http://workaround.org/ instead of some random thing |
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| 11:43.39 | jelly-home | Riztonn: that still means you're going to have to learn a lot more in order to keep your machine a good net citizen |
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| 11:44.51 | Riztonn | jelly> yeah I know I have to learn |
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| 11:45.19 | Riztonn | but basically for the moment I am just missing the mail part for my server and then I will be fine :-) |
| 11:46.00 | jelly-home | Riztonn: and the best thing you can do for mail is (a) know it's a complex subject and (b) offload it to experts if at all possible |
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| 11:46.29 | Riztonn | jelly> yeah but I want to learn |
| 11:46.29 | jelly-home | Riztonn: this I say as a mail admin for 7+ years |
| 11:47.02 | Subfusc | Riztonn: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny this is the one i used. It is for lenny, (my server runs squeeze) so you need to "update" it, but it should give you the information you need |
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| 11:47.55 | Subfusc | Riztonn: but I would seriously consider using zimbra if it is for buisness, since you get calendar and contacts in the same package |
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| 11:49.04 | jelly-home | Subfusc: there's an update for squeeze present already |
| 11:49.10 | Subfusc | jelly-home: nice |
| 11:49.34 | Riztonn | Subfusc> basically I just want horde imp et php mail() working |
| 11:49.35 | Subfusc | yeah, just change lenny for squeeze in the url |
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| 11:50.02 | Subfusc | Riztonn: then postfix should do the trick |
| 11:50.04 | Subfusc | :) |
| 11:50.55 | petn-randall | cajg: postgresql the package is available in any supported version of Debian. Which release are you on? How do you get the messages that it's unavailable? |
| 11:50.56 | Subfusc | jelly-home: I set up my server when squeeze was brand new, so It wasnt there when I sat it up ;) |
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| 11:51.33 | Riztonn | Subfusc> thank's I will follow your tutorial |
| 11:51.52 | jelly-home | Riztonn: don't use the lenny version, use the latest available. |
| 11:52.23 | Subfusc | Riztonn: yes, use the squeeze one. http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze |
| 11:52.30 | Subfusc | just to make sure |
| 11:52.32 | Subfusc | :) |
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| 11:52.53 | Riztonn | yeah I got it :-) |
| 11:52.55 | cajg | petn-randall: sorry, yes, meant to say I'm using sid |
| 11:53.29 | cajg | petn-randall: I get the message from apt-get and perusing the packages online |
| 11:54.00 | petn-randall | cajg: postgresql in sid depends on postgresql-9.3, which isn't available yet. |
| 11:54.56 | Subfusc | Riztonn: good luck ;) |
| 11:55.02 | cajg | petn-randall: that's what I gathered, so i'm asking for an opinion as to whether I should wait (google reader dies on 1 july) or use another version of postgres |
| 11:55.08 | petn-randall | cajg: Pick 'postgresql-9.1' for the mean time. |
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| 11:55.33 | petn-randall | I'm having problems deparsing the search string for aptitude: '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 11:55.53 | cajg | petn-randall: thanks, being a bit timid as sid is shifting and I haven't updated for a few weeks |
| 11:56.38 | petn-randall | It's the part between archive(...) that confuses me. If my regex skills don't fail me, it should mean "archive whose first letter isn't n and the second letter isn't o." |
| 11:57.02 | cajg | So, anyone have very recent experience of postgres with lighttpd, and php5-pgsql on sid? |
| 11:57.55 | petn-randall | cajg: Hey, you picked sid for a reason, right? |
| 11:58.47 | cajg | petn-randall: hehe, yeah liking znc 1.0 in it |
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| 12:00.53 | loaden | I will try `mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf` |
| 12:00.59 | loaden | \away |
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| 12:02.16 | format_c | Hi |
| 12:02.26 | format_c | I have a issue with flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 12:02.54 | format_c | on my machine the adobe plugin is being installed. On another machine Gnash is installed. |
| 12:03.11 | format_c | With the exact same package and sources.lst |
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| 12:04.16 | epsilon | flashplugin-nonfree installed? |
| 12:04.22 | petn-randall | format_c: You still probably have different packages installed on those two machines, making apt prefer one over the other depending on what's already installed. |
| 12:04.59 | format_c | epsilon, on both hosts flashplayer-mozilla |
| 12:07.04 | format_c | dpkg -l | grep flash shows that on the machine there are still some more packages.... |
| 12:07.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep flash shows that on the machine there are still some more packages.... |
| 12:07.49 | epsilon | dpkg flashplayer-mozilla |
| 12:07.49 | dpkg | epsilon: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 12:08.12 | epsilon | whats syntax to query package... |
| 12:08.24 | format_c | http://paste.debian.net/3366/ |
| 12:09.29 | jelly-home | Riztonn: I asked about books in #postfix, and the general consensus from for a background for someone who'd _like_ to learn admin mail servers was: <rob0> I'd say the most important prerequisites are a solid understanding of Unix (and your own flavor thereof) and networking concepts. <rob0> With that, you can learn mail. |
| 12:09.36 | mumpitzel | ,versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 12:09.37 | judd | Package: flashplayer-mozilla on i386 -- jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.280-dmo1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.280-dmo1; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.280-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.280-dmo1 |
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| 12:16.21 | format_c | does somebody else having the flashplayer-mozilla package installed? |
| 12:17.02 | jhutchins_wk | format_c: Are you just gathering information or is there a problem you would like to solve? |
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| 12:17.30 | format_c | there is a problem. iceweasel craches when opening a youtube video |
| 12:17.49 | jhutchins_wk | format_c: On which system? |
| 12:17.50 | format_c | I compared with my system where everything goes fine |
| 12:17.58 | jhutchins_wk | !flash |
| 12:17.58 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 12:19.28 | format_c | the strange thing is, when I install on the problem system flashplayer-mozilla, Gnash is installed which is quite CPU consuming |
| 12:19.49 | format_c | On my system i also have flashplayer-mozilla installed but this is the FlashPlugin from Adobe |
| 12:20.18 | jhutchins_wk | format_c: So remove the packages that don't work for you and install the ones that do. |
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| 12:23.39 | humbolt | when I run ./configure --with-xy=DIR, where are the results of this configuration process stored for review_ |
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| 12:25.17 | nikas | If I want debian installed on usb with a persistence feature I should get the hybrid iso ? |
| 12:25.48 | CableNinja | is there a way to add a boot from cd option into grub? I have a usb cd drive that my system refuses to boot from (and its the only one I can find, no sticks in sight) |
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| 12:25.54 | mumpitzel | nikas: there are only hybrid install isos and it doesn't matter how you install debian, it only matters where you install it |
| 12:26.24 | nikas | was that a yes ? |
| 12:26.34 | nikas | hehe |
| 12:27.35 | DammitJim | is it possible for free and lshw to give me 2 different amounts of memory sizes? |
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| 12:28.01 | DammitJim | free says I have 3GB but lshw says I have 2 - 512M and 2 - 2G sticks (totalling 5GB) |
| 12:28.02 | DammitJim | ? |
| 12:28.05 | mumpitzel | DammitJim: what your hardware has and how much of it linux can use for its kernel are different |
| 12:28.15 | mumpitzel | DammitJim: are you running i386? |
| 12:28.39 | DammitJim | mumpitzel, not sure what you mean by i386 |
| 12:28.48 | DammitJim | I'm running Debian x64 |
| 12:28.53 | mumpitzel | DammitJim: uname -r |
| 12:29.15 | DammitJim | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:29.19 | DammitJim | oh wow |
| 12:29.21 | DammitJim | not 64 bit |
| 12:29.28 | nikas | are the xfce and lxde stable as stable as normal debian ? |
| 12:29.32 | DammitJim | so, I can't use more than 4GB |
| 12:29.35 | DammitJim | ? |
| 12:30.12 | mumpitzel | get a pae kernel and you can |
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| 12:30.25 | mumpitzel | just not a single process can't use more than 4GB |
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| 12:31.50 | DammitJim | no, that's ok |
| 12:31.56 | DammitJim | just trying to understand what is going on |
| 12:32.04 | DammitJim | so, with the memory configuration I have right now and the OS I'm running |
| 12:32.26 | DammitJim | 3.294GB of RAM from the free -m command sounds right |
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| 12:32.49 | DammitJim | kinda like it's not using the other 2GB stick |
| 12:33.04 | Sevet | DammitJim: what cpu do you have (grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 12:33.36 | DammitJim | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz |
| 12:33.42 | DammitJim | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz |
| 12:33.52 | DammitJim | why, Sevet ? |
| 12:33.56 | mumpitzel | DammitJim: I just told you. if you use a PAE kernel, then it will use the extra 2GB |
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| 12:34.10 | yogg | Hi |
| 12:34.10 | mumpitzel | even with debian i386 |
| 12:34.20 | DammitJim | mumpitzel, I appreciate you mentioning that, but that's not going to help. I'm not changing my kernel |
| 12:34.26 | DammitJim | just want to understand what is going on in this case |
| 12:34.27 | Sevet | if it's an issue you could switch to amd64 if you wanted |
| 12:34.28 | mumpitzel | why not? |
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| 12:34.32 | Sevet | it supports it |
| 12:34.33 | mumpitzel | it's the same kernel |
| 12:34.42 | DammitJim | I have no reason to upgrade this |
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| 12:34.52 | DammitJim | I am just trying to understand what the current situation is |
| 12:34.58 | jelly-home | DammitJim: also, if you get a -amd64 flavor kernel instead of -686-pae, you'll avoid a bit of performance penalty with PAE |
| 12:35.03 | mumpitzel | and if you upgrade to wheezy which you should do soon anyways, you will also run a pae kernel |
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| 12:35.16 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: The space reserved by the kernel to store memory addresses is not big enough to handle more than 3G of RAM. |
| 12:35.22 | yogg | I have added a openvpn connection with network manager. But when I click on the vpn connection nothing happens (nothing ins syslog or elsewhere). Has someone an idea where I can look for errors? |
| 12:35.25 | DammitJim | the server does what it needs to do right now, why bother? I just want to know why there is a discrepancy |
| 12:35.42 | nikas | Will these instructions work for wheezy as well ? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
| 12:35.42 | Sevet | performance :) you can't use all your ram |
| 12:35.47 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, thanks |
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| 12:35.49 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: In order to use the additional ram, you must either use a kernel that has a secondary address buffer, or a kernel with a larger address space. |
| 12:35.50 | DammitJim | that's all I needed to know |
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| 12:36.04 | DammitJim | I will probably take the ram out and put it on another server |
| 12:36.20 | florians | hi, I need some help with linux switches |
| 12:36.27 | DammitJim | thank you jhutchins_wk |
| 12:36.35 | DammitJim | and all the others for clarifying |
| 12:36.38 | florians | following scenario: I want to create a bridge with a tap device connected to the host system |
| 12:36.43 | mumpitzel | the only thing you can remove is the 2x512MB which still means 768MB unused |
| 12:36.55 | florians | but if I try it, both bridge and tap are down |
| 12:37.14 | DammitJim | mumpitzel, no, I will take both 2GB sticks and put 2 - 1 GB sticks in there instead |
| 12:37.27 | DammitJim | that's all |
| 12:37.42 | Sevet | !tell nikas -about usb install |
| 12:37.45 | florians | my configuration is http://nopaste.info/732793306d.html |
| 12:38.23 | DammitJim | btw, I am already running Wheezy on other servers and at some point will move to that |
| 12:38.26 | Sevet | nikas: hmmm, that doesn't help creating it on windows though... |
| 12:39.54 | Sevet | chances are the same instructions'll work though |
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| 12:40.15 | nikas | Sevet: Thanks but I want to install to a usb , not from |
| 12:40.33 | nikas | with persistence |
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| 12:41.12 | abrotman | florians: router you mean? bridge? not a switch |
| 12:41.50 | abec0 | Hi. New squeeze->wheezy upgrade. Module pcspkr not found, but still annoyeing beep on TAB. Is it a FAQ ? |
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| 12:45.17 | abec0 | Hum. So I did modprobe pcspkr, and a *different* beep beeps. |
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| 12:46.00 | abec0 | So pcspkr is not the perp. But then who killed Mr Silence in the study (with apt) ? |
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| 12:46.38 | abrotman | !tell abec0 about bell |
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| 12:50.39 | abec0 | abrotman: Thanks. I had this without knowing it *before* upgrading. I'll add it in the alias I use to remove beeps. |
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| 12:54.01 | abec0 | Hum. In .bashrc, I did have set bell-style none. How come it did not do the trick even with xset b on ? |
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| 12:54.42 | abec0 | Anyway, I'll just add xset b off to set bell-style none in .bash |
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| 13:01.32 | jdoles | Is there a way to let my computer run in slow motion? A window appears and disappears too fast to see what it says. |
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| 13:03.00 | MrMonkey31 | if you place it near a singularity... |
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| 13:03.28 | MrFrood | jdoles: what window? |
| 13:03.38 | jdoles | MrMonkey31: gnome-terminal |
| 13:03.43 | abrotman | MrFrood: i think the point is that he can't tell because it goes away too quickly? :) |
| 13:04.08 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 13:04.34 | MrFrood | jdoles: is this the result of running a specific command? |
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| 13:04.51 | jdoles | MrFrood: it's complicated. |
| 13:05.05 | jdoles | MrFrood: I run about 20 commands to determine what to run. |
| 13:05.16 | jdoles | MrFrood: and yes, all of it is needed. |
| 13:05.40 | MrFrood | jdoles: an sh script? |
| 13:05.45 | jdoles | MrFrood: running just gnome-terminal without arguments works fine. |
| 13:06.04 | jdoles | MrFrood: yes, it appears that the script just dies. |
| 13:06.24 | jdoles | MrFrood: I think I already know what to do. |
| 13:06.53 | MrFrood | jdoles: put some sleep commands in the script |
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| 13:08.43 | jdoles | MrFrood: good enough |
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| 13:11.46 | gry | 'sudo service networking restart' says 'Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces', what do I do then? |
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| 13:12.48 | Sevet | use ifup / ifdown |
| 13:13.01 | Sevet | or you can run stop then start |
| 13:13.21 | jhutchins_wk | gry: This is because network management has moved into userspace with tools like network manager and wicd. |
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| 13:13.44 | jhutchins_wk | Sevet: Stop/Start is the same as restart and is deprecated for the same reason. |
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| 13:14.14 | gry | it's a debian server that I upgraded to a new release recently and only used networking as root before, what do I do now to do that properly? |
| 13:14.15 | Sevet | true... |
| 13:14.30 | Sevet | !tell gry -about restart networking |
| 13:14.49 | jhutchins_wk | gry: If you are not running network manager or managing your connections with a GUI, you can still use restart/start/stop. |
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| 13:17.11 | gry | jhutchins_wk: if that's a thing that works and is supported on debian servers, probably it could avoid warning me then? or is starting and stopping service no longer fully supported like dpkg bot told me? |
| 13:18.10 | jhutchins_wk | gry: Because that's the same init script that is used on desktop/laptop systems, and because they'd like you to start learning other tools. |
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| 13:19.39 | jhutchins_wk | gry: There has yet to be an agreement as to whether the init script should be extended to cover networking that's not managed on a system/root level, or whether it should be abandoned/destroyed to make way for new approaches. |
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| 13:20.46 | jhutchins_wk | So the warning is there in case the command doesn't do what you expected, so that you'll check to see if what you meant to happen really happened and maybe look a little further into the system. |
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| 13:32.04 | dokma | I get this geometry from fbset -i geometry 1280 1024 1680 1050 32 |
| 13:32.12 | dokma | isn't that a little bit weird? |
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| 13:34.52 | jhutchins_wk | dokma: What do you think it means? |
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| 13:36.28 | loca|host | hi again |
| 13:37.16 | loca|host | i have tcpdump dropping packets when listening to my wired iface where there's about only 600 Kbps bandwidth usage |
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| 13:37.56 | loca|host | i though tcpdump will begin dropping packets in high traffic, its not the case in my situation |
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| 13:41.07 | nikas | Will these instructions work for wheezy as well ? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ - to build an persistence usb install? |
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| 13:48.55 | nikas | How about this tool: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/supported-linuxes , anybody tried it with wheezy ? |
| 13:49.09 | nikas | I would try myself , but the download will take 10 hours my my pc |
| 13:49.17 | nikas | download of wheezy that is |
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| 13:51.50 | mumpitzel | nikas: what is your problem? a usb stick is a harddisk like any other. nothing special needed. instead of using internal drive target for the install, use a usb stick |
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| 13:54.23 | nikas | mumpitzel: My problem is morons like you . |
| 13:54.31 | nikas | who haveno idea what they are talking about \ |
| 13:54.35 | nikas | if it was this simple |
| 13:54.45 | nikas | it wouldn't have dedicated tools for it |
| 13:54.54 | Psychonaut | Hi, what dpkg-reconfigure was it to make homedirs not readable by other users wheezy ? |
| 13:55.13 | nikas | Psychonaut: fuck you get lost |
| 13:55.19 | Psychonaut | ? |
| 13:55.32 | nikas | you are an diot if you are having this problem |
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| 13:55.42 | cheetahw26 | I'm absolutely trapped in dependency hell on this custom distro based off of Lenny, where some packages have been upgraded to squeeze versions, but others haven't... and I really just need to install build-essential to compile drivers for a new piece of hardware... |
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| 13:56.05 | Psychonaut | And you seems to not have propper maner |
| 13:56.10 | nikas | cheetahw26: lol dependency hell, go back to using windows you noob |
| 13:56.23 | cheetahw26 | :) |
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| 13:56.54 | Sevet | nikas: keep it clean please |
| 13:56.58 | Psychonaut | the word noob in a debian IRC, what happend to the unix community when such kids have access to this |
| 13:57.00 | CybDev | you can probably manually resolve the deps using dpkg cheetahw26 |
| 13:57.10 | cheetahw26 | I've come to the conclusion that the fastest way would probably be to build install squeeze into a chroot environment, build and compile the drivers there, and then install them on the box |
| 13:58.14 | cheetahw26 | it's not as simple as it sounds... dependency hell is caused by the custom distro stripping out like half of the debian core packages... so resolutions aren't so easy without identifying each one of those, installing them and making sure they're compatible, etc. |
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| 13:58.20 | Sevet | nikas: the isos are hybrids. simply copying them onto a usb drive is sufficient to boot from a usb stick. that's simple on linux (cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX) |
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| 13:58.52 | CybDev | yeah well, as a tempfix the chroot thing could work, depending on what you are building |
| 13:58.55 | Sevet | i guess the same goes for the debian live project, but i haven't used it |
| 13:58.57 | iLogic | Psychonaut: your nickname is awesome dude |
| 13:59.02 | CybDev | if those are drivers for a custom kernel you need the sources i guess :-/ |
| 13:59.05 | Psychonaut | hehe :-) |
| 13:59.13 | cheetahw26 | it's been a few years however, and I can't remember how to go about installing debian in a chrooted environment; did some searching, but maybe my queries are poor |
| 13:59.47 | CybDev | just look for debootstrap |
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| 14:00.08 | somiaj | cheetahw26: what do you need the chroot for? |
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| 14:00.55 | cheetahw26 | I'd like to compile these drivers on this custom hardware, without affecting the custom distro |
| 14:01.08 | Sevet | !tell cheetahw26 -about debootstrap |
| 14:01.09 | somiaj | cheetahw26: well since you are messing with a custom mess yea debootstrap |
| 14:01.13 | abec0 | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 14:01.13 | archetech2 | just installed v7-xfce in vbox very smooth install |
| 14:01.29 | somiaj | cheetahw26: I was gonna suggest pbuilder if the idea was to use the chroot to build debian packages |
| 14:01.39 | abec0 | cheetahw26: complete explanation for sid in stable. |
| 14:01.44 | cheetahw26 | ahh... yes thanks; this is what I was looking for, been a couple years :) |
| 14:01.47 | abec0 | and then some. |
| 14:02.07 | abec0 | No prob. Had the same memory problem a few days ago. |
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| 14:02.26 | Sevet | Psychonaut: i'm not aware of any dpkg-reconfigure that'd touch home directory permissions, but you can do it manually using chmod. 'man chmod', remove rx bits for other, and possibly group |
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| 14:03.34 | msl09 | Hi, I'm getting this error when trying to install build-essential http://paste.debian.net/3385/ here is my source.list http://pastebin.com/4sH0V8RL |
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| 14:04.49 | jordanm | msl09, paste the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy build-essential libc6 libc6-dev g++ |
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| 14:05.15 | Sevet | msl09: you're mixing the 'wheezy' and 'sid' distributions. sid isn't a good idea unless you know what you're doing, and mixing distributions is a very bad idea |
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| 14:06.06 | mumpitzel | ,versions g++-4.4 |
| 14:06.07 | judd | Package: g++-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.4.7-2; jessie: 4.4.7-3; sid: 4.4.7-4 |
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| 14:06.26 | mumpitzel | worse, his g++ is not even squeeze |
| 14:06.39 | mumpitzel | msl09: please do a proper upgrade to wheezy at least |
| 14:06.45 | somiaj | his sources don't actually mix wheezy and sid |
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| 14:06.51 | Sevet | msl09: your current sources.list doesn't install from sid, but the fact the entries are there makes me think you may have some installed |
| 14:06.57 | msl09 | I used to get emacs24 from sid using a preferences file on my wheezy testing installation. Have reinstalled the system from an iso after wheezy went stable. On the new system I have tried to install vlc from sid as well but that seemed to give me that problem |
| 14:07.01 | somiaj | but my guess is in the past he did and he has some dependency issues hiding around |
| 14:07.15 | Sevet | yep |
| 14:07.28 | msl09 | Sevet, I have deleted all packages that I got from sid |
| 14:07.39 | somiaj | msl09: yea that is the problem, you have mixed packages and not only put yourself into depedency loops have probabaly made your system unstable |
| 14:07.50 | mumpitzel | msl09: it's unlikely you "deleted" the dependencies however |
| 14:07.59 | somiaj | msl09: did you downgrade all the libaries that got upgraded with the process |
| 14:08.11 | Sevet | and you may have removed packages without replacing them with the wheezy version |
| 14:08.24 | msl09 | somiaj, I don't know how to do that |
| 14:08.26 | mumpitzel | msl09: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 14:08.28 | somiaj | msl09: my guess is your libc6 is the sid version. use aptitude search to get the packages that are of the sid version |
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| 14:10.34 | msl09 | http://paste.debian.net/3386/ |
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| 14:12.40 | Sevet | !not available |
| 14:12.40 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 14:12.41 | Sevet | !list repositories |
| 14:12.49 | Sevet | !list repositories |
| 14:12.49 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 14:13.04 | Sevet | you could also try those to find packages that aren't from wheezy |
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| 14:14.54 | Sevet | ,v libc6 |
| 14:14.55 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/3387/ < why cant i make a logical volume in this setup from the debian live 7.0 cd |
| 14:14.55 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; jessie: 2.13-38; wheezy: 2.13-38; sid: 2.17-1 |
| 14:15.06 | Sevet | yep yours is from sid |
| 14:15.50 | msl09 | Sevet, apt-cache says its from wheezy |
| 14:16.07 | msl09 | Sevet, Or I think it does.. |
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| 14:16.28 | Sevet | pastebin? |
| 14:16.33 | Sevet | it's not. 2.13-38 is wheezy's |
| 14:16.48 | msl09 | Sevet, http://paste.debian.net/3389/ |
| 14:17.16 | msl09 | Sevet, oh nevermind, saw it now |
| 14:17.27 | Sevet | /var/lib/dpkg/status means it doesn't know where it's from |
| 14:17.42 | Sevet | or it'd tell you the source |
| 14:18.08 | Sevet | that's probably not the only package either |
| 14:18.44 | msl09 | Sevet, yep, how do I downgrade those packages? |
| 14:18.54 | Sevet | !tell msl09 -about downgrades |
| 14:19.13 | Sevet | downgrading packages is possible but isn't really supported, to get a clean stable system it may be easier to just reinstall |
| 14:19.43 | Sevet | !tell msl09 -about mixing distributions |
| 14:20.17 | Sevet | if you're ever tempted, check wheezy-backports instead |
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| 14:20.56 | msl09 | Sevet, well there are only about 10 libraries that need to be downgraded |
| 14:21.20 | msl09 | I don't think it should be a big problem |
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| 14:22.17 | Sevet | libraries are probably less of an issue downgrading since they probably don't have any config/data files that may have had format changes |
| 14:22.22 | Sevet | good luck :) |
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| 14:23.20 | dokma | jhutchins_wk, it's the res and virtual res |
| 14:23.37 | dokma | but the thing is that my left monitor ends up 1280 1024 but my right one ends up 1680 1050 |
| 14:23.41 | dokma | which is not what I want |
| 14:23.52 | dokma | that's only for framebuffer |
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| 14:25.11 | ketsa | This is the first release of debian I am unable to install. |
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| 14:28.32 | tuxcrafter | someone? (see my question) |
| 14:28.44 | spreeuw | ketsa it worked better for me than the last debian |
| 14:29.02 | spreeuw | but ubuntu is still the best in out of the box experience |
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| 14:29.13 | spreeuw | but it may get problematic later |
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| 14:29.41 | spreeuw | s/last/previous |
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| 14:30.46 | spreeuw | minor updates will take out more leftover annoyances |
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| 14:32.44 | spreeuw | tuxcrafter can you repeat it? |
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| 14:35.12 | tuxcrafter | spreeuw: ifound the solution i think need to add --zero n to lvcreate |
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| 14:43.00 | ketsa | debian installer : "failed to determine the codename for the release" ... |
| 14:43.22 | jhutchins_wk | ketsa: md5sum of iso file and medium? |
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| 14:44.52 | ketsa | i'll check later, be back in 5hours i need to go. laters. |
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| 14:48.10 | hanibana | hi, I'm using recordmydesktop. The problem is: when I play the captured video, in the middle of playback the sound goes away! VLC exits with some weird error and other players like mplayer continue with no sound. Recordmydesktop reports no errors during capture. Any idea to trace this annoying problem?! :( |
| 14:48.18 | LjL | i'm running Unstable, this is a very old install that got (sometimes) upgraded over the years. it's showing some signs of age, now since a while, specifically, the package index has seemed somehow broken: http://paste.debian.net/3396/ everything seems to work alright, but i guess i would like to get rid of the errors |
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| 14:52.27 | petn-randall | LjL: Those are all packages that don't exist anymore in any recent release of Debian. Just remove them, then those errors will go away, too. |
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| 14:53.06 | petn-randall | hanibana: The error of VLC would help for starters. |
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| 14:53.37 | hanibana | petn-randall: sure |
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| 14:54.38 | hanibana | http://paste.debian.net/3399/ |
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| 14:56.35 | dokma | guys I get this from fbset -i for geometry: geometry 1280 1024 1680 1050 32 |
| 14:57.08 | dokma | and as much as I see from the docs the first set is the resolution 1280x1024 |
| 14:57.21 | dokma | and the second should be the virtual size 1680 1050 |
| 14:57.38 | dokma | but what I get in framebuffer is that my left monitor ends up at 1280 1024 |
| 14:57.45 | LjL | petn-randall: that went smoothly, thanks |
| 14:57.47 | dokma | and my right monitor ends up at 1680 1050 |
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| 14:58.06 | dokma | does anyone understand what is happening with this? |
| 14:58.45 | spreeuw | dokma: see what xrandr says |
| 14:59.08 | dokma | in X everything is ok |
| 14:59.21 | spreeuw | is this for debian 7? |
| 14:59.23 | dokma | only when I switch to framebuffer do I get 1680 1050 on the right monitor |
| 14:59.25 | dokma | yes |
| 14:59.37 | dokma | upgraded 2 days ago |
| 14:59.40 | spreeuw | it will always use the optimal res for your monitor now |
| 15:00.08 | spreeuw | and it uses the new framebuffer |
| 15:00.15 | spreeuw | kms |
| 15:00.24 | dokma | spreeuw, so I can't change the resolution away from optimal? |
| 15:00.58 | dokma | yes, I've removed the vga=795 and now I've set the res through /etc/default/grub |
| 15:01.13 | dokma | I just don't see how to change the res for the right one |
| 15:01.15 | spreeuw | yeah I think you can influence it there |
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| 15:01.23 | spreeuw | but this may have consequences for X |
| 15:01.30 | spreeuw | if you also use x on it |
| 15:01.48 | dokma | yes, X is running fine atm |
| 15:01.52 | dokma | with radeon drive |
| 15:02.07 | dokma | this wrong resolution is the only thing to fix from the upgrade |
| 15:04.28 | spreeuw | dokma: are they identical monitors? |
| 15:04.34 | dokma | no |
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| 15:06.42 | jelly-home | dokma: use X. |
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| 15:07.02 | touki | what's the best way for installing python 2.7 on squeeze without going to wheezy ? |
| 15:07.03 | dokma | jelle, what do you mean |
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| 15:07.49 | dokma | jelly-home, what do you mean use X, I'm trying to change the resolution of my right monitor in framebuffer |
| 15:07.59 | jelly-home | dokma: X has a reasonable API to set up resolutions on each output device independently. Framebuffer doesn't. |
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| 15:08.14 | dokma | jelly-home, under X everything is fine |
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| 15:08.26 | umarzuki | touki: backup n try apt-pinning |
| 15:08.33 | jelly-home | so. Use X instead of fb if you can. fb is a dead end, for embedded devices. |
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| 15:12.28 | touki | umarzuki: do you have a way to backup properly ? |
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| 15:13.57 | umarzuki | block level/cold clone backup with clonezilla |
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| 15:14.28 | umarzuki | touki, search for clonezilla, download its image n burn to cd |
| 15:14.34 | jelly-home | umarzuki: please don't tell people to go and mix oldstable or current stable with newer releases |
| 15:14.46 | jelly-home | that way lies MADNESS |
| 15:14.50 | umarzuki | boot to it then backup your hard disk to another drive as image |
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| 15:15.04 | umarzuki | sorry |
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| 15:15.32 | umarzuki | so it will make debian acts weird? |
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| 15:16.30 | touki | jelly-home: even in debian handbook they talk about pinning. |
| 15:16.35 | touki | So why not ? |
| 15:16.35 | jelly-home | umarzuki: yeah, you could say that |
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| 15:17.25 | umarzuki | touki, why wouldn't you upgrade to wheezy? |
| 15:17.27 | nkuttler | touki: there are things that may work, or not, that are unsupported here |
| 15:17.31 | jelly-home | touki: a mix of stable + anything else has unpredictable behaviour wrt packaging and how programs work with newer libraries pulled in |
| 15:17.32 | umarzuki | any specifics? |
| 15:18.05 | jelly-home | it's mostly that things. Will. Break. In unusual ways. |
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| 15:18.39 | jelly-home | so go from release to release+1 if you have to, but try not to stay in the middle |
| 15:18.46 | ihsw | i'm not sure where else to ask this...but i'm having trouble with my ssh configuration, can someone help me out |
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| 15:19.13 | umarzuki | ihsw: just ask |
| 15:19.18 | nkuttler | ihsw: man 5 sshd_config, ssh -vvv, turn on log level, etc |
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| 15:20.46 | ihsw | nkuttler: which log level is recommended? currently it's INFO but i'm trying to isolate config file troubles, is DEBUG recommended? |
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| 15:22.00 | jelly-home | ihsw: I typically avoid doing that, and run a new, foreground instance of sshd on a separate port |
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| 15:22.20 | jelly-home | ihsw: so, for a start, can you describe the symptoms? |
| 15:22.21 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 15:22.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:22.55 | ihsw | jelly-home: i'm trying to add set PasswordAuthentication to yes, but only allowed to a specific address and user |
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| 15:23.13 | ihsw | jelly-home: eg: Match 192.168.1.35 User john |
| 15:23.43 | ihsw | jelly-home: i typed that out manually...it actually has "Match Address 192.168.1.35 User john" |
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| 15:24.27 | ihsw | jelly-home: do i need to specify the subnet? "Address 192.168.1.35\32"? |
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| 15:25.35 | jelly-home | well, 192.168.1.35/32 (forward slash!) is the same as just the IP address |
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| 15:26.25 | touki | I didn't get wheezy had become stable ;) |
| 15:26.46 | ihsw | jelly-home: i'm not sure if my indentation is causing it or not, i'm using two spaces, but it's just not working |
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| 15:28.02 | ihsw | jelly-home: i tried setting LogLevel to DEBUG but the syslog still doesn't say anything other than the process terminated with status 255 |
| 15:28.30 | jelly-home | ihsw: one Match, one restriction... You would have to use two nested Match to limit both per IP and for a single user. Eg. http://paste.debian.net/3409/ |
| 15:28.59 | jelly-home | ihsw: that's what I just added to stop myself from logging in to localhost with key-based auth |
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| 15:30.56 | ihsw | jelly-home: this is what mine looks like http://paste.debian.net/3410/ and ssh still refuses to start |
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| 15:31.41 | ihsw | jelly-home: the address is the remote address that's trying to connect |
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| 15:33.11 | besieged | Am I able to do the netinstall while on a 802.1X network? |
| 15:33.54 | jelly-home | ihsw: I guess you could try 192.168.1.35/32 instead of just the ip, but otherwise it seems ok |
| 15:34.25 | ihsw | jelly-home: keep in my mind i also have "PasswordAuthentication no" directly above the "Match" directive |
| 15:35.02 | touki | rsync seems good enough to backup nope ? |
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| 15:35.10 | jelly-home | ihsw: doesn't matter how much above it is, really, as long as it's above |
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| 15:36.45 | ihsw | jelly-home: i moved my Match directive all the way to the bottom and it works now, very odd |
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| 15:37.30 | ihsw | jelly-home: i also changed it so that it's "Match Address 192.168.1.35 User john" and that works too, so i suppose it doesn't need the compound Matches |
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| 15:38.29 | jelly-home | hmph! |
| 15:38.37 | jelly-home | you win this time gadget |
| 15:39.06 | jelly-home | ihsw: oh, you didn't put it at the bottom? |
| 15:39.38 | jelly-home | ihsw: _evertything_ below the match applies only to the match |
| 15:39.41 | jdoles | Is there an event system/hook system for when text is copied? |
| 15:39.42 | petn-randall | wants a time gadget, too. |
| 15:40.06 | jdoles | I would like to run some code when there is a certain contents in it. |
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| 15:40.36 | jelly-home | ihsw: "until either another Match line or the end of the file." |
| 15:40.37 | codepython777 | do I need to upgrade: Linux version 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 02:51:39 UTC 2013 ? |
| 15:40.58 | jelly-home | codepython777: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 15:41.21 | chengshiding | I 服了you |
| 15:41.23 | codepython777 | lsb_release not found |
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| 15:42.04 | mumpitzel | codepython777: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:42.06 | jelly-home | codepython777: huh. what about dpkg -l dpkg libc6|tail -n 2 |
| 15:42.24 | mumpitzel | you most likely have squeeze at which point you might want to upgrade to wheezy |
| 15:42.25 | Riztonn | why after installing apache there is no ServerName directive in apache2.conf ? |
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| 15:42.54 | codepython777 | ii dpkg 1.16.10 amd64 Debian package management system and ii libc6:amd64 2.13-38 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 15:43.30 | don_armstrong | Riztonn: because it defaults to the hostname, which is perfectly appropriate? |
| 15:43.32 | jelly-home | codepython777: that's weird. pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 15:43.35 | debdeb | hi i still have problems with my bridged network. so i revertet it to normal network with eth-device |
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| 15:44.17 | jelly-home | Riztonn: debian's layout of apache config files is a bit different from the upstream. zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 15:44.32 | Riztonn | don_armstrong> ah ok I didnt know |
| 15:44.43 | iyp | Trying to set up a client to an L2TP over IPSEC vpn. Keep getting a mismatch between the server and peer Phase 1 DH group. Not sure where to cange it on the client side. Anyone have experience with this? |
| 15:44.49 | debdeb | if i do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" is says: "[warn] Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces ... (warning)." why is it deprecated? what is the alternative to do it? |
| 15:45.00 | codepython777 | jelly-home: http://bpaste.net/show/92YfKXworeDSiXcxAFfA/ |
| 15:45.04 | don_armstrong | Riztonn: normally you'd put ServerName inside a <VirtualHost> or similar directive, which is in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 15:45.19 | mumpitzel | debdeb: ifup/ifdown ? |
| 15:45.35 | debdeb | mumpitzel: thats the alternative? |
| 15:45.46 | jelly-home | codepython777: a very interesting sources.list you have |
| 15:45.50 | debdeb | for each interface? |
| 15:45.56 | codepython777 | jelly-home: whats wrong? |
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| 15:46.18 | jelly-home | codepython777: a mix of squeeze, testing/updates and unstable, there's so much wrong :-) |
| 15:46.35 | Riztonn | don_armstrong> yeah exactly but in the 000-default there is not ServerName directive so I was wondering |
| 15:46.36 | codepython777 | jelly-home: how do i fix it? |
| 15:46.37 | debdeb | is there no "right" way to restart network anymore? |
| 15:46.59 | jelly-home | codepython777: when did you last update this system? |
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| 15:49.42 | jelly-home | codepython777: libc6 is closest to wheezy. I'd start with an assumption of wheezy and see how much newer stuff you have... if you want to do that, first move the current sources.list away to some other name and leave just the regular wheezy lines in. |
| 15:49.49 | jelly-home | !tell codepython777 about wheezy sources.list |
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| 15:51.14 | Fidelix | Hello. How do I install compiz on Wheezy? It seems unavailable in official repos |
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| 15:52.36 | Asenar | Hi, my upgrade to debian7 was great, but I now have an error I don't solve : "E: The value 'squeeze-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 15:52.36 | Asenar | " |
| 15:53.06 | mumpitzel | Asenar: edit your sources.lists. there are no squeeze-backports for wheezy obviously |
| 15:53.18 | Asenar | nothing in sources.list |
| 15:53.22 | Arrowmaster | edit /etc/apt/preferences and edit the Default-Release line |
| 15:53.23 | Asenar | nor in source.list.d |
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| 15:53.42 | spreeuw | grep squeeze-backports /etc/apt -R |
| 15:53.45 | Arrowmaster | or check any files in /etc/apt/preferences.d for that line |
| 15:54.22 | Asenar | I did what spreeuw said, I only have "trusted.gpg" (binary file" witch match |
| 15:54.29 | Asenar | and a commented line in sources.list |
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| 15:55.14 | Arrowmaster | what program are you running and getting this error? |
| 15:55.22 | Asenar | apt-get upgrade |
| 15:55.45 | Arrowmaster | then something in /etc/apt has set APT::Default-Release |
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| 15:56.57 | Riztonn | I am reading this : http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/public_html.html but I cant find the place where I can uncoment the line #Include conf/extra/httpd-userdir.conf |
| 15:57.00 | Arrowmaster | try grep squeeze-backports /etc/apt -Ri |
| 15:57.12 | Asenar | nothing more with that : grep "default" /etc/apt/* -RHni |
| 15:57.25 | Asenar | grep queeze /etc/apt -Ri |
| 15:57.28 | Asenar | same thing |
| 15:57.33 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
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| 15:58.04 | Asenar | that's my thought too |
| 15:58.29 | xand | Riztonn: instead of that you need to do "a2enmod userdir" |
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| 15:58.51 | xand | Riztonn: and the config files will be available in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 15:58.58 | Arrowmaster | Asenar: the apt-get you are running isnt a shell alias is it? |
| 15:59.13 | Arrowmaster | Asenar: just trying to think of any other ways that option could be set |
| 15:59.15 | Asenar | thanks you arrow ! |
| 15:59.20 | Asenar | yes I totally forgot that |
| 15:59.29 | Asenar | sorry all |
| 15:59.53 | jelly-home | Riztonn: PLEASE read that readme file. |
| 16:00.09 | jelly-home | QUESTIONS will be ANSWERED. This is my promise. |
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| 16:00.47 | jelly-home | I bet we have a factoid for it, too |
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| 16:01.17 | jelly-home | !apache2 manual |
| 16:01.17 | dpkg | [apache2 manual] Install the apache2-doc package and browse to http://localhost/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ , or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ . See /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz for an explanation of the Debian Apache configuration file layout. See also <cnrd>. |
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| 16:09.39 | Riztonn | jelly I am sorry, I was confused with all different docs |
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| 16:10.58 | jelly-home | Riztonn: yeah, I would be if I was a newbie too. Debian diverges from upstream quite a bit in this point. People in #apache/#httpd often hate on Debian for this reason |
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| 16:11.26 | jelly-home | on the other hand it's not an unreasonable setup |
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| 16:12.47 | codekK | Hi a question, sid is ever called sid?? |
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| 16:12.59 | codekK | better, unstable is ever called sid? |
| 16:13.11 | debdeb | codekK: until armageddon, yes |
| 16:13.39 | codekK | Ok then for get sid on my sourcelist what is better to do, point to sid or unstable? |
| 16:13.43 | codekK | or is indifferent |
| 16:13.53 | debdeb | "sid" was the toy, which breaks everything... thats why it is called sid |
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| 16:14.24 | debdeb | i would think, its the same |
| 16:14.26 | Riztonn | jelly> Yeah but I chose debian because it is the best distribution :-) I mean I would use gentoo if I had the motivation to compile everything myself ^^ |
| 16:14.56 | debdeb | s/toy/boy |
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| 16:17.05 | debdeb | ok, back to my bridge-problem: i wanted to use a bridge, because of qemu-virtualisation |
| 16:17.22 | jelly-home | and then? |
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| 16:17.27 | debdeb | otherwise qemu uses NAT for the VM |
| 16:17.50 | jelly-home | and then? |
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| 16:18.05 | debdeb | as using a bridge gives other problems, i am searching other solutions |
| 16:18.34 | debdeb | i have seen, i can use a "virtual" ip-adress on the host |
| 16:18.51 | jelly-home | what problems do you get when creating a bridge and putting your normal setup on it instead of the physical device (now member thereof)? |
| 16:18.56 | debdeb | as i remember from some years ago this is like /dev/eth0:1 |
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| 16:19.11 | debdeb | jelly-home: networkmanager |
| 16:19.28 | jelly-home | AH. NetworkManager. |
| 16:19.36 | Stameni | is there a way to quick acces lounchers in side panel ( wheezy ) like in ubuntu ? |
| 16:19.37 | debdeb | jelly-home: until the last version it doesnt like bridges |
| 16:20.16 | jelly-home | debdeb: oh, do you need it because this is a laptop that may have access to different networks and setups? |
| 16:20.43 | debdeb | ok, back: if i have eth0:1 with another IP... i could "route" all traffic from/to that ip to the internal NAT-ip of qemu? |
| 16:20.59 | debdeb | jelly-home: yes |
| 16:21.01 | jelly-home | debdeb: on a desktop, I just set up a static IP address on br0 and completely ignore NM |
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| 16:21.19 | jelly-home | debdeb: yeah, that might be a problem |
| 16:21.36 | petn-randall | Stameni: You mean, like, install unity? It's not packages in Debian. |
| 16:21.41 | petn-randall | *packaged |
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| 16:22.00 | debdeb | jelly-home: thats one problem... the other is: for example "deja-dub" only works, if the networkmanager "is connected" |
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| 16:22.05 | debdeb | deja-sup |
| 16:22.13 | debdeb | deja-dup :-) |
| 16:22.29 | jelly-home | debdeb: now that's just silly |
| 16:22.32 | Stameni | petn-randall: i dont want unity, i was thinking that maby there is some way to do it in gnome3 alone |
| 16:22.52 | debdeb | jelly-home: yes... i have the same thought.. but its this way |
| 16:23.33 | Stameni | petn-randall: when i click "win" button i have to use mouse just to select one of the lounchers in side pannel ( or type app's name ) |
| 16:23.45 | debdeb | jelly-home: and for now... i would like to use it.... but nevertheless. networkmanager is fine... and i want to use it, too |
| 16:23.57 | debdeb | err. its fine besides that bridge-thing |
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| 16:24.58 | debdeb | ok, back... if i want to "route" all traffic from eth0:1 to the internal NAT-IP... how to do that? iptables i would assume? |
| 16:25.33 | debdeb | argh... forget that.. its a bad idea |
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| 16:25.47 | debdeb | at least, if i want to use dhcp for the vm |
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| 16:26.27 | debdeb | so a bridge is the right way... kruzifix |
| 16:26.46 | jelly-home | debdeb: could you not use NetworkManager's own connection sharing with the VM iface? |
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| 16:27.09 | jelly-home | assumes Debian 7 NM has a "connection sharing" feature |
| 16:27.21 | jelly-home | I don't have gnome |
| 16:27.25 | debdeb | jelly-home: without using bridges.... the vm doesnt have an interface |
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| 16:27.44 | debdeb | jelly-home: outside i mean... with a bridge it is tun0 |
| 16:27.47 | Riztonn | I am sorry I am have another newbie question :-) so I have apache and php working, I have tested it creating a phpinfo.php file in /var/www but when I am creating a hello world file in public_html of a user using userdir module, php page is download and not interpreted ? |
| 16:28.21 | debdeb | jelly-home: wait, i will look |
| 16:28.26 | Riztonn | I forgot to say phpinfo.php was created with root and helloworld.php by a random user |
| 16:28.46 | jelly-home | debdeb: ok. so let the vm use that, and try to tell NM that's where your "other devices" are, and they need connection sharing |
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| 16:29.53 | debdeb | jelly-home: the problem with network-manager may be that it uses the mac-adress to identify interfaces... wich is fine... normally... unfortunatle a br-interface uses the same mac-adress |
| 16:29.54 | petn-randall | Stameni: I'm not experienced with Ubuntu's unity. Which feature are you missing? |
| 16:31.01 | p0wn3d | Could someone running Debian 7 run nm-connection-editor then click on the vpn tab and tell me if the import button is available? |
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| 16:31.14 | debdeb | jelly-home: i allready tried to change the mac-adress of br0... which works with random-adress... but without any connections... the br0-interface have to be the mac-adress of one of the interfaces it bridges... for me: either eth1 or tun0 |
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| 16:32.50 | debdeb | jelly-home: ok. i have looked... network-manager doesent have a "connection-shareing"-feature in it |
| 16:32.58 | codekK | silly question, in sid, isn't there security repositories, right? |
| 16:33.10 | debdeb | jelly-home: but my firwall-GUI has it. its "firestarter" |
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| 16:33.54 | jelly-home | debdeb: that's sad, Ubuntu has it |
| 16:34.02 | debdeb | p0wn3d: as i am in it allready: yes... there is a "importieren" button |
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| 16:34.16 | ov3rmind | http://iworks.srv.br/~leo/relar%C3%B3rio_Stream-server.html i can't connect webcam on debian 7 any help are greatly welcome |
| 16:34.26 | p0wn3d | Thank you |
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| 16:35.37 | debdeb | ok... i am getting in a mood... if other programs depend on something like network-manager... its a bad idea |
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| 16:36.19 | Riztonn | jelly-home> no idea why in some case it is downloading the php file and in some case it is working <, |
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| 16:36.38 | jelly-home | where are X server default parameters set, on wheezy, when using kdm for the login screen? |
| 16:37.32 | debdeb | ok... so one of the last alternative i see is: switch on bridge every time, i am starting a qemu-vm ans switch it off again after that |
| 16:38.05 | debdeb | which is a very ogly workaround |
| 16:38.09 | debdeb | ugly |
| 16:39.27 | debdeb | what should be my way to do that? switch bridging on quick? |
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| 16:40.08 | debdeb | first i make a /etc/network/interfaces_bridge_on with bridging on |
| 16:40.34 | debdeb | in the skript i copy that over: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:40.47 | debdeb | is that ok? |
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| 16:41.31 | debdeb | what is the right command to load that new /etc/network/interfaces then? |
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| 16:41.57 | debdeb | normally i would do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart"... btu that says: "[warn] Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces ... (warning)." |
| 16:42.21 | debdeb | so... what is the "right" way? |
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| 16:42.40 | mumpitzel | debdeb: why can't you still use it? |
| 16:43.01 | Arrowmaster | debdeb: creating multiple named interface aliases is properly the proper way |
| 16:43.12 | debdeb | if something is "deprecated"... i think.. there should be a better way |
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| 16:43.20 | petn-randall | Is there a way in aptitude to "batch mark" packages as 'to-delete'? |
| 16:43.21 | reavengrey | ,v mplayer --arch=i386 |
| 16:43.22 | judd | Package: mplayer on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1-dmo9; sid-multimedia: 3:1.1-dmo9; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1-dmo9 |
| 16:43.35 | johndoe | can i somehow prevent apt-get from breaking on broken packages/dependencies? |
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| 16:43.46 | debdeb | Arrowmaster: sounds nice... any howto for that? |
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| 16:44.25 | petn-randall | johndoe: Nope. If you have an inconsistent system all bets are off. Best thing is not to get in that position in the first place. |
| 16:44.30 | Arrowmaster | debdeb: the wifi howto shows how to do it for multiple wifi configs on one interface http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Switching_Connections |
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| 16:45.01 | debdeb | Arrowmaster: i will look into that. thanks |
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| 16:46.47 | johndoe | petn-randall: apt-get breaks when i try to install a new package. but aptitude doesnt. weird behavior |
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| 16:47.02 | debdeb | oh.. btw.. when i switch on/off bridging... it woudl be nice, if ther would be no "downtime" for for example established ssh-connections... is that a bad idea then? |
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| 16:47.19 | petn-randall | johndoe: How specifically? ==> http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 16:48.38 | twist79 | I have a question to all you debian fans. I em a opem suse user, why shuld i switch to debian? |
| 16:48.53 | debdeb | mumpitzel: so you think, a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" is still good? even it says "deprecated"? |
| 16:49.01 | mumpitzel | yes |
| 16:49.04 | debdeb | ok |
| 16:49.10 | mumpitzel | it generally works |
| 16:49.14 | ChibaPet | twist79: OpenSuSE seemed less careful with updates when I ran it. I remember X stopping working one morning after an upgrade. Never had that happen with Debian. But, that was year ago. |
| 16:49.24 | debdeb | .oO(i should have asked that as the first one) ;-) |
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| 16:50.06 | debdeb | mumpitzel: thanks |
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| 16:51.37 | johndoe | twist79: dont switch |
| 16:51.51 | johndoe | if you need to ask such questions |
| 16:53.11 | petn-randall | twist79: Desktop or server? |
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| 16:53.32 | twist79 | Desktop |
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| 16:55.32 | ChibaPet | twist79: Run both and expand your horizons. |
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| 16:55.46 | Emery | http://pastebin.com/tpPdJLwA < Anyone know the issue there ? |
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| 16:56.27 | recon_lap | hi, I'm trying to setup a debian squeeze vps, But i seem to be stuck with 0.7.67-3+squeeze3, I've added dotdeb repo but nginx wont upgrade. anyone know why not? |
| 16:57.27 | mayhew | recon_lap: why don't you use Debian 7 (Wheezy) if you want newer packages? |
| 16:58.14 | val_erie | Can the number of lines of the output of history command be increased? |
| 16:58.15 | mayhew | Also, nginx has official Debian repositories, there's no need for dotdeb http://nginx.org/en/linux_packages.html#stable |
| 16:58.40 | Riztonn | !NTC |
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| 16:59.12 | debdeb | Arrowmaster: With "named interface aliases" you mean something like here: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?sektion=5&query=interfaces&apropos=0&manpath=sid&locale=en where a interface is called "eth0-home"? |
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| 16:59.40 | recon_lap | mayhew: vps install list only goes up to 6 |
| 16:59.42 | petn-randall | recon_lap: Anything not pure Debian isn't supported in this channel, by the way. |
| 16:59.57 | Riztonn | !NTC manual |
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| 17:00.01 | mayhew | recon_lap: then use the repository on nginx.org |
| 17:00.10 | Riztonn | it doesnt work with me :-( |
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| 17:00.49 | petn-randall | recon_lap: Not that we think it's particularly evil, but we've already got our hands full with support Debian the way it is. That's why we don't support other repos or debian derivatives. |
| 17:00.51 | Alz | anyone there use eclipse and/or redmine ? |
| 17:02.05 | peterrooney | val_erie: yes. man bash, HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE |
| 17:02.13 | petn-randall | Alz: No surveys please :). If you have a question, don't hesitate to ask. |
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| 17:02.24 | debdeb | Arrowmaster: so if i want to map something like "eth1-qemu"... which should bring up the bridged-networking... it sould work like this? |
| 17:02.24 | Riztonn | !DTC manual |
| 17:02.37 | debdeb | should |
| 17:03.18 | peterrooney | Riztonn: it's OK (and normally preferred) to /msg dpkg privately. /msg dpkg listkeys DTC |
| 17:04.14 | Riztonn | peterrooney, but someone managed to it before |
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| 17:04.38 | Riztonn | ./msg dpkg listkeys doesnt work |
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| 17:04.53 | Riztonn | I want to display what this person showed me that DTC was unsecured |
| 17:05.21 | jelly-home | Riztonn: it's just /msg dpkg dtc |
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| 17:09.19 | val_erie | peterrooney, in .bashrc HISTSIZE is set to 1000 and HISTFILESIZE=2000, but history gives me lines from 507 to 1012, which is about 500 only. Do I just change HISTSIZE to lets say 5000 ? and what is the difference between HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE? |
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| 17:14.59 | debdeb | argh.. i am dumb... i dont have to use different /etc/network/interfaces at all... i just have to comment out the "auto br0"... and then start the bridging with "ifup br0"... right? |
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| 17:15.42 | debdeb | mumpitzel: as you said at the beginning... if i remember it right :-) |
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| 17:18.40 | DoctorWedgeworth | what's the current squeeze kernel version? |
| 17:19.46 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 17:19.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-1-686-pae (3.8.11-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
| 17:19.58 | DoctorWedgeworth | thanks jelly-home |
| 17:19.59 | uwjesq | So I had memory issues during dist-upgrade with totaly broken packages. How can I start the process from scratch? aptitude dist-upgrade at the moment gives me http://nopaste.info/86974976bb.html |
| 17:20.16 | ov3rmind | [video4linux2 @ 0x9f28a60] Cannot find a proper format for codec_id 0, pix_fmt -1. |
| 17:20.17 | ov3rmind | /dev/video0: Input/output error |
| 17:20.33 | jelly-home | uwjesq: use apt-get, not aptitude, like the release notes say. |
| 17:20.36 | ov3rmind | any can help ffmpg ? |
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| 17:20.50 | debdeb | btw.. kernels... is there a debian-kernel which has something patched in like "openmosix"? |
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| 17:25.59 | val_erie | peterrooney, , thanks I found entries for HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE, but didn't find info about increasing the number of lines from the default of 500 |
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| 17:29.37 | ov3rmind | ffmpeg -r 25 -s 320x240 -f video4linux2 -i /dev/video0 http://localhost:8090/cam1.ffm |
| 17:30.13 | ov3rmind | i am trying it but i receive the error |
| 17:30.14 | ov3rmind | [video4linux2 @ 0x8540a60] Cannot find a proper format for codec_id 0, pix_fmt -1. |
| 17:30.16 | ov3rmind | /dev/video0: Input/output error |
| 17:30.24 | ov3rmind | any tip are welcome ? |
| 17:30.38 | tonyoy | val_erie: export HISTSIZE=1000; export HISTFILESIZE=1000 in your .bashrc for eg. |
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| 17:31.30 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Thank you, that helped a lot. But now I am getting http://nopaste.info/719824d581.html |
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| 17:32.11 | jelly-home | uwjesq: is it running? |
| 17:32.37 | uwjesq | jelly-home: No, look at the last line E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 17:33.06 | tonyoy | anybody knows a way to have tar mp ? |
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| 17:33.34 | spreeuw | tonyoy: just tar, or the gzip? |
| 17:33.47 | spreeuw | or whatever compressors |
| 17:33.57 | spreeuw | because mp versions of them exist |
| 17:34.09 | spreeuw | to which you can pipe |
| 17:34.10 | tonyoy | spreeuw: whatever compressors |
| 17:34.25 | tonyoy | xz in mind first |
| 17:34.53 | jelly-home | uwjesq: I'm looking at lines 10-18. Is the mysql daemon process running at present time? |
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| 17:35.16 | jelly-home | uwjesq: it's not enough to just look at the last line... |
| 17:35.29 | spreeuw | tonyoy: http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/pxz/ |
| 17:35.34 | spreeuw | there may be others |
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| 17:36.22 | spreeuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.28 | spreeuw | also tonyoy |
| 17:36.33 | spreeuw | man xz |
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| 17:37.14 | uwjesq | jelly-home: mysql is running. Should I kill it? (stop won't work) |
| 17:37.27 | spreeuw | ohh it says not implemented |
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| 17:37.37 | jelly-home | uwjesq: yes, send it a TERM signal |
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| 17:38.14 | jelly-home | uwjesq: then continue what dpkg was doing with "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 17:38.27 | jelly-home | uwjesq: after having made sure it died |
| 17:38.32 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Nice. TERM is -9? |
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| 17:38.53 | jelly-home | uwjesq: no, TERM is -TERM, or what kill sends by default |
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| 17:39.21 | jelly-home | 9 is KILL, to be used only when you know why you're using it |
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| 17:39.28 | tonyoy | spreeuw: -T threads Multithreaded compression and decompression are not implemented yet, so this option has no effect for now ;-) |
| 17:40.36 | spreeuw | yeah like I said |
| 17:40.44 | tonyoy | spreeuw: thks for pointers, but anything inside debian ? |
| 17:40.49 | spreeuw | seems as if theres no workable one yet |
| 17:40.58 | spreeuw | bzip2 has a working one |
| 17:41.15 | spreeuw | its a fork of bzip2 |
| 17:41.25 | jelly-home | spreeuw: which one, pbzip2 or lbzip2? |
| 17:41.39 | jelly-home | </evil> |
| 17:41.42 | spreeuw | pb |
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| 17:41.58 | jelly-home | ,i lbzip2 |
| 17:41.59 | judd | No package named 'lbzip2' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 17:42.08 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 17:42.12 | dgarstang | Is there a way to override signfile when building packages? |
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| 17:42.28 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Done. I get the following error "halted because too many errors" http://nopaste.info/9d683c8350.html |
| 17:42.32 | jelly-home | ,i lbzip2 --release sid |
| 17:42.36 | judd | Package lbzip2 (utils, extra) in sid/i386: fast, multi-threaded bzip2 utility. Version: 2.2-2; Size: 78.7k; Installed: 177k; Homepage: https://github.com/kjn/lbzip2 |
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| 17:43.11 | jelly-home | uwjesq: is that the full output? |
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| 17:43.37 | uwjesq | jelly-home: No, I get you the rest. Just a second. |
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| 17:49.17 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Here is the rest http://nopaste.info/494969542d.html |
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| 17:50.03 | val_erie | tonyoy, I added export HISTSIZE=1000 and export HISTFILESIZE=1000 on top of .bashrc, but still getting 500 lines |
| 17:50.38 | jelly-home | uwjesq: fun! Id probably go and manually dpkg --configure libperl5.14 perl-modules ... add other perl bits into the command line until it works |
| 17:50.52 | tonyoy | spreeuw: jelly-home: judd: thks! |
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| 17:51.17 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Awesome. Let me do this. |
| 17:51.20 | jelly-home | judd: botsnack |
| 17:51.20 | halt | Hi all, i just what to update to wheezy but there are some packages missing, like zabbix, and php5-sushido and etc what is the best way to get them ? |
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| 17:51.44 | ksuhku | halt, have you read the release notes? |
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| 17:52.08 | halt | ksuhku:not yet, where can i found it ? |
| 17:52.30 | ksuhku | halt, are you 64 bit x86? |
| 17:52.35 | jelly-home | uwjesq: oh I see, "perl" package is not unpacked yet |
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| 17:52.49 | halt | ksuhku: 64bit |
| 17:52.52 | tonyoy | val_erie: maybe its value got overriden somehow? what gives you echo $HISTSIZE for eg? |
| 17:53.04 | ksuhku | halt, there you go http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ |
| 17:53.06 | jelly-home | uwjesq: might have to dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl_5.14*deb |
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| 17:58.01 | halt | ksuhku: uu that's long |
| 17:58.08 | niteye | if you don't have 4Gb of RAM anyway, is there any benefit or drawback in sticking with regular arch instead if amd64 ? |
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| 17:58.14 | ksuhku | halt, yes it is |
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| 17:59.52 | jelly-home | niteye: it will work. Apps will eat a slightly lower amount of RAM on average. |
| 18:00.32 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Sorry. Yet another error http://nopaste.info/633363eb81.html |
| 18:00.32 | petn-randall | niteye: Benefit of amd64 is that most programs are compiled to use newer CPU instructions present in the amd64 family. Downside is that pointers are double the memory size, so amd64 programs tend to use a little more memory. |
| 18:01.07 | jelly-home | niteye: also, apparently amd64 now reports more installations in the popularity contest than the "regular" |
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| 18:01.52 | halt | ksuhku: can you just highlight, which part is about the missing packages ? |
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| 18:02.00 | jelly-home | petn-randall: and a little more cache; which tends to compensate for the updated insn and register usage |
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| 18:02.29 | val_erie | tonyoy, echo $HISTSIZE gives me 1000, no matter what numbers are in .bashrc. maybe I need to reboot the computer ? |
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| 18:04.18 | jelly-home | uwjesq: considering we tried upgrading "perl" to make "perl-modules" dependency in http://nopaste.info/494969542d.html line 34-35 be satisfied, can you figure out what similar workaround could be used here? |
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| 18:04.54 | tonyoy | val_erie: rebooting maybe a bit too deep, quitting and relaunching your console should be enough |
| 18:04.58 | uwjesq | jelly-home: I do not know where to start. |
| 18:05.21 | jelly-home | uwjesq: read the current error, and the error I quoted. Look at the similarities. |
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| 18:05.48 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Ok. I will try. Thank you. |
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| 18:06.42 | jelly-home | uwjesq: if you can't figure it out in a minute or two, we'll continue with hand holding |
| 18:07.09 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Lol. Thanks. I will try though. |
| 18:08.09 | uwjesq | jelly-home: perl-base worked. Let me try perl now. |
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| 18:08.38 | ksuhku | halt, can't seem to find it now myself but somewhere was info about packages that are no longer available and suggested upgrade routes... |
| 18:09.01 | halt | why it's even more interesting for me, bacasue the package was avaible for wheezy when it was testing, but now it bacome stable nad disiperd from the repo |
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| 18:09.53 | halt | and also for the new testing they are avaible |
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| 18:10.14 | sparr | Is there a way to set up my resolv.conf so that when dhclient gets a DHCP address including a DNS server, my backup nameservers stay at the bottom of resolv.conf? |
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| 18:12.15 | Arrowmaster | sparr: should be doable with the resolvconf package |
| 18:12.45 | uwjesq | jelly-home: perl depends on perl-modules which depends on libswitch which depends on perl. Looks like a deadlock. |
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| 18:13.45 | jelly-home | uwjesq: and that's why you dpkg --configure all in a single command line |
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| 18:14.49 | jelly-home | all of them, that is |
| 18:15.30 | sidv | Hello to all |
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| 18:16.25 | val_erie | tonyoy, relaunching console and even rebooting didn't help . The history command gives me lines from 530 to 1040, which is 510 |
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| 18:17.02 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Awesome, a lot less fails. Let me have a stab at fixing them. |
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| 18:17.40 | jelly-home | uwjesq: just try "dpkg --configure -a" again, let dpkg try to deal |
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| 18:18.24 | jelly-home | uwjesq: the less manual installations the better; and perl is a bit special since it can make lots of other package installations fail |
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| 18:18.44 | jelly-home | so fixing that first should have nice consequences |
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| 18:21.43 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:21.55 | sidv | bbib shower! Seems like u r in for some fun there Knight_Errant :-) |
| 18:22.07 | DexterF | is there a deb src that has fancy DVB drivers? |
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| 18:25.46 | tonyoy | val_erie: mmh, maybe adding: shopt -s histappend # append to the history file, don't overwrite it ? |
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| 18:29.32 | JohnnyL | What is causing the tops of the fonts of downloaded pdf files? it doesn't happen all the time, but mostly. |
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| 18:31.11 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Sorry, still getting http://nopaste.info/67772c8acd.html |
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| 18:34.04 | nkuttler | JohnnyL: tops? |
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| 18:35.35 | JohnnyL | nkuttler: bad reader. |
| 18:35.49 | sygnous | noob question... where do I grab 6.0 ISO? |
| 18:35.50 | JohnnyL | maybe foxit? wasen't the original. good to use adobe 9 instead. |
| 18:35.57 | sygnous | can't seem to find one |
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| 18:36.36 | frederick_cruz | olá |
| 18:36.36 | val_erie | tonyoy, I guess I do not understand your last message, I am kind of new to linux |
| 18:36.42 | frederick_cruz | este canal é de portugal? |
| 18:36.47 | spatials | Please tell me Debian 7 doesn't have plymout - does it? |
| 18:36.59 | jelly-home | !pt |
| 18:36.59 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 18:37.34 | spatials | *plymouth |
| 18:38.00 | uwjesq | Any suggestion welcome http://nopaste.info/67772c8acd.html |
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| 18:39.20 | jelly-home | uwjesq: that seems almost good enough to continue with apt, except for the procps thing |
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| 18:40.02 | jelly-home | uwjesq: please add "set -x" as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/procps.postinst, then run dpkg --configure procps |
| 18:41.12 | krofna_ | Does xorg-xserver-video-radeon driver not have antialiasing support? I cannot turn it on in any games :( |
| 18:42.27 | tonyoy | val_erie: it's to enable the option to append to the history file, instead of overwriting it |
| 18:42.42 | jelly-home | krofna_: when you run "driconf", does it show any AA settings in the Image Quality tab? |
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| 18:43.40 | tonyoy | val_erie: just add "shopt -s histappend" the same way you added "export HISTSIZE=1000" |
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| 18:44.29 | suuuser | hello |
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| 18:44.59 | krofna_ | jelly-home: Ah yeah, there are some options |
| 18:45.23 | krofna_ | so thats global settings? |
| 18:46.08 | suuuser | im stuck with debians network config, ive got several /30 ipv4 adresses i dont really get it on how to add them to my eth0 interface, eth0:0 eth0:1 i see is the way to add several nets but how do i config such an sub int eth0:0 to be reachable on both available addresses in my /30 net ? |
| 18:46.28 | uwjesq | jelly-home: dpkg --configure procps gives me http://nopaste.info/e44425ad4c.html |
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| 18:47.43 | jelly-home | uwjesq: you have something weird in /etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/sysctl.conf.d/*.conf |
| 18:48.11 | jelly-home | uwjesq: add set -x in a similar way to /etc/init.d/procps, and call "/etc/init.d/procps start" manually |
| 18:48.20 | dgarstang | Are there any simple alternatives to debian packaging out there? |
| 18:48.46 | tonyoy | val_erie: there are a lot of options, you could see for ex: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/histcommands.html |
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| 18:49.34 | krofna_ | jolly-home: Setting morphological AA in driconf did not affect the game I'm playing |
| 18:49.40 | krofna_ | jelly-home* :D |
| 18:49.58 | ksuhku | halt, here's something http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#idp833968 |
| 18:50.14 | uwjesq | jelly-home: http://nopaste.info/84491fbadd.html |
| 18:51.01 | owen1 | i need to create text files with data delimited with ctrl+a. how do i do that? |
| 18:52.49 | halt | ksuhku: thanks i found it, and also the zabbix (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687916) and the soltution is the dotdeb 3rd party repo, which is sad, i was able to run without any 3rd party repo .. :( |
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| 18:54.24 | jelly-home | uwjesq: hm, what does "dpkg -S /sbin/splashy_update" say? |
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| 18:55.05 | uwjesq | jelly-home: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /sbin/splashy_update |
| 18:55.25 | jelly-home | uwjesq: ok, what does "dpkg -S $(readlinkf -f /sbin/splashy_update)" say then? |
| 18:55.36 | jelly-home | sorry. dpkg -S $(readlink -f /sbin/splashy_update) |
| 18:56.44 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Same message dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /sbin/splashy_update |
| 18:57.15 | jelly-home | uwjesq: alright that, where does that thing come from? Does /etc/default/splashy exist? |
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| 18:57.40 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Yes. |
| 18:58.07 | jelly-home | uwjesq: what does dpkg -S /etc/default/splashy say, and what does dpkg -l that-package|tail -n 1 say? |
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| 18:59.21 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Both times no packages found. |
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| 18:59.53 | jelly-home | uwjesq: remove that file, try doing /etc/init.d/procps start again |
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| 19:00.45 | val_erie | tonyoy, I have export HISTSIZE=1000 and shopt -s histappend on top of .bashrc . echo $HISTSIZE gives me 1000, but the history command gives only about 500 lines |
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| 19:00.57 | codekK | Hi all, i have a question. I read in the wiki i have a two methods to get working my wifi on my laptop. I can use brcmsmac or wl, my network interface are: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225. What is the best way to get working my wifi?? brcmsmac or wl? |
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| 19:01.28 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Still the same error. |
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| 19:02.06 | jelly-home | yeah, but maybe now set -x will end in a more useful place |
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| 19:02.25 | uwjesq | I post you the output. Just a sec. |
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| 19:03.37 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Look http://nopaste.info/2f2c502dea.html |
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| 19:06.28 | peterrooney | val_erie: your .bash_history may have had only 500 lines to begin with. increasing HISTx variables won't make things that were thrown away come back into memory |
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| 19:07.33 | sparr | I've got some network traffic that's not getting even one hop out of my box. I do `traceroute google.com` and I see all the right traffic. I do `traceroute 123.45.67.89` for a specific IP and there's nothing, not even the first hop. How can I find out where that traffic is trying to go, in terms of the routing table and such? |
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| 19:08.34 | peterrooney | val_erie: I have my HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE set to 20000 each in my .bashrc - that takes me back to October. |
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| 19:09.14 | Dunams | I'm wondering, how can I allow a certain user only access to one script from ssh? I don't want it running services and stuff, just to have access to one script |
| 19:09.25 | peterrooney | sparr: what does /sbin/route suggest should be the interface it goes out on? |
| 19:09.27 | jelly-home | uwjesq: say. what does echo $TERM say? |
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| 19:09.55 | uwjesq | jelly-home: screen |
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| 19:10.25 | val_erie | peterrooney, can the number of lines in .bash _history be increased? btw the .bash _history has [Read 1001 lines on the bottom] |
| 19:10.34 | jelly-home | uwjesq: what happens if you do TERM=vt100 in the console, then go back to TERM=screen |
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| 19:10.56 | sparr | peterrooney: there are two default routes, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ryafeD78 |
| 19:11.22 | jelly-home | oh nothing, bash does not complain about missing terminfo like my zsh does |
| 19:11.40 | jelly-home | uwjesq: well crap. leave TERM=vt100 |
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| 19:12.05 | jelly-home | uwjesq: then run /etc/init.d/procps start, again |
| 19:12.05 | peterrooney | val_erie: yes, set in .bashrc (and remember to export them), then login again. I don't know what effect setting them in an active session would have. |
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| 19:12.50 | peterrooney | sparr: there's no 'default' entry. |
| 19:12.51 | jelly-home | uwjesq: for some reason, that script seems to have TERM=dumb set in it, and it triggers a buggy code path |
| 19:13.17 | sparr | peterrooney: sorry, I used -n, "0.0.0.0" is "default" in the standard output |
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| 19:13.36 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Look. I think it does not look different http://nopaste.info/bc7aa6b3bf.html |
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| 19:13.49 | nyk2005 | How can I select a different wlan card in gnome networkmanager? |
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| 19:15.03 | codekK | Hi all, i have a question. I read in the wiki i have a two methods to get working my wifi on my laptop. I can use brcmsmac or wl, my network interface are: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225. What is the best way to get working my wifi?? brcmsmac or wl? |
| 19:15.48 | jelly-home | uwjesq: ok, let's try this, put set -vx on top of the script instead of set -x |
| 19:16.12 | peterrooney | sparr: 10-4, only first cup of coffee. |
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| 19:18.10 | sparr | never mind, it just started working. probably a problem on the router here. |
| 19:18.17 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Look. I added set -vx in the postinst before the line set -e http://nopaste.info/086963b4c9.html |
| 19:18.27 | peterrooney | sparr: seems overly complex; why the two extra 172.x.x.x entries? |
| 19:18.48 | nyk2005 | How can I select a different wlan card in gnome networkmanager? |
| 19:19.19 | jelly-home | uwjesq: not the postinst, the init script that we're debugging now |
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| 19:20.26 | sparr | peterrooney: it's multihomed. dhcp from one network, static IP for the other. |
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| 19:20.49 | sparr | although it's not REALLY multihomed... the static IP isn't valid on the current network, we are just setting it now so that it will work when we plug it into the other network. |
| 19:21.07 | peterrooney | sparr: Ahh. a that makes slightly more sense! |
| 19:21.24 | peterrooney | marvels at the joys of testbeds |
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| 19:23.18 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Added the code to the init script http://nopaste.info/956bdd68ec.html |
| 19:23.28 | nyk2005 | How can I select a different wlan card in gnome networkmanager? |
| 19:24.19 | jelly-home | uwjesq: I don't really know why I expected anything useful out of that :-D |
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| 19:28.55 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 19:28.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-1-686-pae (3.8.11-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
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| 19:29.56 | jelly-home | uwjesq: you know what? Let's upgrade those buggy script helpers in /lib/lsb, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/lsb-base_4.1*deb |
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| 19:31.19 | uwjesq | jelly-home: I do not have lsb base but I installed lsb release. |
| 19:31.49 | jelly-home | uwjesq: hmmm. |
| 19:32.13 | jelly-home | uwjesq: what does dpkg -S /lib/lsb/init-functions say? |
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| 19:32.37 | uwjesq | 1~lsb-base: /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 19:32.42 | uwjesq | lsb-base: /lib/lsb/init-functions |
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| 19:33.06 | jelly-home | so, you have lsb-base in place but it didn't get downloaded for upgrade |
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| 19:34.03 | jelly-home | uwjesq: cd /var/cache/apt/archives; wget -nd http://debian.iskon.hr/debian/pool/main/l/lsb/lsb-base_4.1+Debian8_all.deb |
| 19:34.08 | jelly-home | uwjesq: then install it. :-) |
| 19:35.46 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Worked. |
| 19:36.28 | jelly-home | uwjesq: did /etc/init.d/procps start work as well? |
| 19:36.43 | uwjesq | jelly-home: No :-( |
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| 19:37.46 | jelly-home | uwjesq: how did it fail |
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| 19:39.08 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Same way as before if I see correctly. http://nopaste.info/fe4f04d4d0.html |
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| 19:45.21 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Anything left for me to do? |
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| 19:50.59 | edju | Running wheezy amd64, and trying to install a 32-bit Windows prog using wine. Ran dpkg --add-architecture i386 and attempted to install but it was a no-go. Said I needed ia32-libs. Ran into dependency hell. How do I get the 32-bit libs? |
| 19:51.32 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Not sure wine is entirely up to speed with multiarch. |
| 19:52.15 | ChibaPet | edju: There is an ia32-libs package. Nothing is supposed to need it, but I haven't tried it in some time. (I run Wine here, but I build development releases.) |
| 19:52.18 | uwjesq | edju: apt-get |
| 19:52.26 | jelly-home | uwjesq: mv /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh.sucks |
| 19:52.54 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Actually, I'm using Crossover, which installed fine, and it did install Quicktime. |
| 19:53.01 | uwjesq | jelly-home: exit 0 I guess that is good. |
| 19:53.12 | jelly-home | uwjesq: then remove set -x and set -vx from /etc/init.d/procps, and that postinst script |
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| 19:53.33 | jelly-home | uwjesq: then see if "dpkg --configure procps" works |
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| 19:54.18 | uwjesq | jelly-home: package procps is already installed and configured |
| 19:54.23 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: wine is up to speed with multiarch, it's the only way to install a 32 bit wine into an amd64 install |
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| 19:54.45 | edju | ChibaPet, Any idea what it's called? I've tried that, ia32-libs-i386, and neither worked. |
| 19:54.46 | jhutchins_wk | mkay, so what's his problem? |
| 19:54.47 | jelly-home | uwjesq: righto. let's see if anything else gets fixed with "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 19:55.10 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: no idea, mixed releases? forgot to update? |
| 19:55.28 | jelly-home | it's usually "forgot to apt-get update" |
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| 19:56.25 | jelly-home | uwjesq: probably won't be, it means it's time for "apt-get -f install"! |
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| 19:57.20 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Looking good. |
| 19:57.44 | jhutchins_wk | edju: jelly-home suggests aptitude update |
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| 19:58.00 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Implying "then try again". |
| 19:58.09 | tgs3 | why this happens and how to fix this apt-get conflicts? wheezy. http://pastebay.net/1223184 |
| 19:59.55 | gengar | Hi everyone, I'm relatively new to Linux and Debian so even though I'd love to have the newer nvidia drivers from testing or experimental ... I keep fudging up the install process because I don't know what I'm doing ... so I've decided to stick to what's in the stable repositories. Anyways .. I was wondering if there is a reliable way to tell when a newer version of a package will be pushed out as an update? |
| 20:00.13 | gengar | So I could maybe have some kind of an ETA on when the 310 or 313 drivers will come into stable? |
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| 20:01.10 | n3rV3 | tgs3, you can try installing the required packages directly using: aptitude install libgnome2-0 openjdk-7-jre ttf-dejavu |
| 20:01.17 | n3rV3 | and see how it goes |
| 20:01.37 | krofna_ | gengar: You can install experimental packages in stable using APT pinning |
| 20:02.27 | gengar | krofna_: It's like I said before I don't fully understand what packages I need or want .. or the risks of upgrading etc. I understand it _can_ be done but I don't feel comfortable doing so |
| 20:02.28 | uwjesq | jelly-home: A lot of packages where set up now but one is still not getting configured http://nopaste.info/f58d8b70d7.html |
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| 20:03.00 | gengar | I was just hoping there was some kind of a log or roadmap etc to let me know that in approximately ... 3 months the 310 drivers are expected to come into table |
| 20:03.01 | gengar | stable* |
| 20:03.15 | AndChat708441 | Jebzdzidy |
| 20:03.43 | tgs3 | n3rV3: why this happened in the first place? |
| 20:04.21 | edju | jhutchins_wk, I did update - using apt-get. It dwnloaded i386 stuff, but the install attempt leads to dependency chains, and at least one is "uninstallable". |
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| 20:04.55 | krofna_ | gengar: No such thing. Your best bet is to ask maintainer himself. Altho 313 should get uploaded to unstable soon since wheezy was recently released. |
| 20:05.42 | n3rV3 | tgs3, it could be caused by missing or old repo xmls. did you run: apt-get update, before trying the install? |
| 20:06.17 | tgs3 | n3rV3: yes |
| 20:06.32 | tgs3 | afair |
| 20:06.44 | tgs3 | it seems instaling them fixed it (or the redoing of aptitude update) thanks |
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| 20:07.14 | n3rV3 | oO |
| 20:07.20 | n3rV3 | :) |
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| 20:07.54 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Now doing a dist-upgrade. This seems to work, too. |
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| 20:08.23 | Alz | hi someone there use Mylyn Connector for eclipse ? |
| 20:08.41 | n3rV3 | Alz, i use vim |
| 20:08.46 | n3rV3 | so no |
| 20:09.06 | deuterium | hia. can debinstall of squeeze and wheezy properly handle hard disks > 2 tb? |
| 20:09.07 | uwjesq | Alz: I use ed, cat and >>. Sorry. |
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| 20:09.59 | n3rV3 | uwjesq, u r the man |
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| 20:12.50 | Bronze | I have a 16 GB USB stick that I would like to make into a live Debian install, to be used in conjunction with a 32 GB SD card. [I would use the SD card for data and projects] I have Used pendrivelinux in the past but I haven't been successful trying to create a 64-bit installation with pen drive. |
| 20:13.05 | Bronze | Does anyone have a suggestion what I should use to create a 64-bit Debian USB stick? |
| 20:13.25 | Bronze | [Yes that's right, I'm inviting you to tell me where to go! [step right up!] :-D ] |
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| 20:14.40 | Bronze | dang. I should've known better than to try to ask after 4 o'clock on Friday... :-) |
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| 20:14.46 | lmarcetic | how to search dpkg? |
| 20:14.50 | lmarcetic | i mean the bot here |
| 20:15.28 | lmarcetic | nvm, found it |
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| 20:16.33 | syn_ack_attack | Bronze: Here's the 64 bit live image: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 20:16.41 | j0d3_ | re |
| 20:17.04 | Bronze | syn_ack_attack: gracias! (anf thanks.. :) ) |
| 20:17.07 | Bronze | *and |
| 20:17.29 | syn_ack_attack | Looking for Live USB instructions |
| 20:17.55 | Axlin | Bronze: I just used dd myself, worked fine. dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M |
| 20:18.10 | syn_ack_attack | yeah dd will work |
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| 20:18.22 | Bronze | Axlin: that forces me to assume that the iso image has the boot utility integrated in the appropriate place! ;-) |
| 20:18.28 | jhutchins_wk | I don't have my taskbar/systemtray/whatever in xfce - how do I get it back? |
| 20:18.31 | Bronze | And that it's probably Grob? |
| 20:18.37 | Bronze | *Grub |
| 20:18.44 | mucha | I installed linux 2 weeks ago, so im newb, but being secure is important for me. I have firewall and port scan detector. What else can i do to improve secutity? IDS like snort is too much for common desktop? any more ideas? |
| 20:18.47 | Bronze | well I will certainly find out. |
| 20:19.07 | Axlin | You just boot directly from it just as you would a CD |
| 20:19.22 | syn_ack_attack | Yeah no grub just choose boot from SUB |
| 20:19.25 | syn_ack_attack | USB* |
| 20:19.31 | Bronze | mucha: one of the best things to do is to shut down all the extra network-based services that might allow people access to your system. For example if you get your mail from someplace like Gmail, then you would want to make sure that the mail services are not running. You would also want to check and make sure that there's no Web server running |
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| 20:20.01 | Bronze | mucha: there is a network-based time synchronizer running a protocol called ntp. Most people leave that intact and up. It's your call |
| 20:20.12 | Bronze | syn_ack_attack: OK |
| 20:20.18 | gengar | mucha: I'd also recommend using stable well tested packages versus newer possibly more feature-rich packages, it's usually a flaw in a specific service or piece of software that provides a security risk. |
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| 20:20.39 | gengar | Bronze: What are you making the USB on? |
| 20:20.47 | gengar | Bronze: What OS* |
| 20:21.03 | Bronze | gengar: I still have my install media of Red Hat five... Not the enterprise Red Hat, but the original Red Hat five, from the 1990s :-) that's probably stable right? (kidding) |
| 20:21.27 | Bronze | gengar: I'm going to install a 64-bit live Debbie and on the 16 GB SanDisk USB drive |
| 20:21.36 | gengar | Bronze: I'm still fairly new but I found unetbootin had all kinds of issues ... I eventually used dd and it worked perfectly. |
| 20:22.09 | gengar | Bronze: dd bs=4M if=/path/to/debian64.iso of=/dev/sdx |
| 20:22.21 | Bronze | DD is dropdead simple, so it should be pretty straightforward. :-) (Famous last words.) |
| 20:22.21 | mucha | Bronze: thank you. Does using adobe flash compromise my security? |
| 20:22.32 | gengar | mucha: Hell yes. |
| 20:22.48 | syn_ack_attack | just don't dd if=/dev/zero of=/ |
| 20:22.49 | Bronze | mucha: sadly almost all of Adobe's software has many holes. I don't even like getting PDF documents |
| 20:22.53 | uwjesq | jelly-home: Thank you so much. You have a lot of endurance and patience. |
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| 20:23.18 | Axlin | And an additional note, say your pendrive is /dev/sdc. You want to specify of=/dev/sdc, not /dev/sdc1 |
| 20:23.20 | syn_ack_attack | Bronze: I only use Adobe products in a VM |
| 20:23.29 | mucha | i thought so... are there alternatives to adobe flash? |
| 20:23.52 | gengar | Bronze: I needed to use a version of the debian net installer with non-free firmware for my wireless card, and no matter how I prepared it with unetbootin it would never be able to find my .bin files, the usb image writer in Linux Mint had the same problem to |
| 20:23.56 | gengar | mucha: gnash |
| 20:24.02 | n3rV3 | mucha, theres gnash for client side and html5 for servers |
| 20:24.09 | gengar | mucha: Or just like nuns excercise, abstinence |
| 20:24.14 | n3rV3 | haha |
| 20:24.46 | Bronze | you know what they call the girls who get abstinence education? "Mommy!" |
| 20:25.18 | mucha | syn_ack_attack so i dont need to worry about holes in flash if im using it through VM? |
| 20:25.19 | gengar | mucha: The chances of your individual linux machine being attacked in some way shape or form just because you run flash is relatively low .. if it's something you use on a regular basis just install it. |
| 20:25.22 | mucha | sorry for newb question |
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| 20:25.58 | nkuttler | mucha: well.. if somebody exploits your vm they could maybe launch an attack on boxes on your network? |
| 20:26.06 | syn_ack_attack | Well a crazy exploit could break out of your VM but I don't think that's very likely |
| 20:26.20 | Bronze | frikinz: have you been using Linux or UNIX for a long time? |
| 20:26.32 | lroe | can someone confirm that this will run every hour on the hour: 0 * * * * /home/user/foo.pl |
| 20:26.59 | syn_ack_attack | http://cronchecker.net/ |
| 20:27.13 | lroe | sweet |
| 20:27.13 | lroe | thanks |
| 20:27.14 | syn_ack_attack | The command /home/user/foo.pl will execute the 0th minute of every hour on every day of every month. |
| 20:27.20 | syn_ack_attack | np |
| 20:27.24 | Bronze | lroe: I believe that is correct. It will run exactly on the hour. But you can verify this quite easily by reading the man page for crontab |
| 20:27.56 | lroe | Bronze, I read the man page and built it based on that, I was looking for independent verification |
| 20:28.07 | Bronze | lroe: well I think you did a good job. :) |
| 20:28.18 | lroe | Do I get a gold star? |
| 20:28.33 | Bronze | frikinz: I ask because your real username is familiar to me. |
| 20:28.37 | syn_ack_attack | Anyone here have experience building debain as a AMI for Amazon ec2? |
| 20:28.39 | Bronze | lroe: titanium! |
| 20:28.55 | syn_ack_attack | I'm trying to build a kali-linux AMI and it's based off debain |
| 20:29.05 | sigma__ | best of luck to you |
| 20:29.12 | gengar | oh that's what I wanted to ask |
| 20:29.25 | sigma__ | I haven't even gotten a kali install to go smoothly |
| 20:29.31 | Riztonn | is a blowfish_secret still required for phpmyadmin installation under debian squeeze ? because I cant see anything about it doing grep -r "blowfish" /etc/phpmyadmin/ ?? |
| 20:30.03 | gengar | if I chose to do a debian netinstall of 64bit, and installed only the system utilities suite of packages but no the desktop environment. How much (realistically) would I need to install for basic networked desktop environment? |
| 20:30.05 | syn_ack_attack | I've got a local build running fine and I've used build-cloud-debian to create a wheezey AMI but am stuck after that |
| 20:30.25 | gengar | Could I just grab Xorg and my favorite DE/WM or would I be in an arch linux type position |
| 20:31.08 | frikinz | Bronze: if 20 years is a long time then yes. where would we know each other from? |
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| 20:33.06 | syn_ack_attack | 4:30 is here, later guys |
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| 20:34.54 | lasers | No zsnes? o.O |
| 20:35.08 | lasers | ,versions zsnes |
| 20:35.09 | judd | Package: zsnes on i386 -- squeeze: 1.510-2.2+b1; jessie: 1.510+bz2-5; sid: 1.510+bz2-5; wheezy: 1.510+bz2-5 |
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| 20:35.30 | lasers | You guys see zsnes? I don't see it. :< |
| 20:36.44 | gengar | lasers: What do you mean see it? |
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| 20:37.13 | lasers | gengar: It's not showing up in the repo -- just bsnes. |
| 20:37.18 | gengar | oh |
| 20:37.23 | gengar | I had the same problem |
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| 20:37.29 | gengar | it's only in the i386 repo's |
| 20:37.35 | gengar | you have to enable multi-arch |
| 20:37.56 | gengar | lasers: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/zsnes and http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 20:37.58 | lasers | gengar: Ah crap. You're right. Thank you, sir. :) |
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| 20:38.28 | lasers | gengar: I'll try bsnes first. *cough* |
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| 20:41.40 | Bronze | frikinz: Farance Corp. |
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| 20:43.07 | frikinz | Bronze: hum no :) which username your talking about? nick? |
| 20:43.14 | Bronze | laurent |
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| 20:43.27 | frikinz | ok. well, there are thousands :) |
| 20:43.46 | Bronze | yes. but not with 20+ years experience. :) |
| 20:43.47 | descention | during installation of debian, my installer will chroot to /target and run update-initramfs or something. It fails doing so because it can't find the right uuid for the root partition. Can I just change fstab before 'making system booting' and fix this and then continue with the install? |
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| 20:44.52 | Bronze | frikinz: well regardless of any prior association, I like you anyway! :) |
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| 20:48.46 | uwjesq | Hello. I am getting some errors when I run reconfigure -a (see first line for command) http://nopaste.info/53318159ee.html |
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| 20:50.11 | BenNZ | uwjesq: using sid ? |
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| 20:51.27 | uwjesq | BenNZ: I just dist-upgraded from 6 to 7. |
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| 20:52.57 | BenNZ | uwjesq: ok im getting the same problem in sid , altho now i look different versions of grub |
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| 20:56.25 | Fray85 | ciao a titti |
| 20:56.33 | Fray85 | !list |
| 20:56.34 | dpkg | fray85: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 20:57.41 | uwjesq | !it |
| 20:57.41 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:00.39 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | hello |
| 21:00.46 | format_c | hi |
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| 21:05.04 | mowgli | hi, all! i've got debian6 on a plug computer. since the release of debian 7, though, i haven't seen any updates for v.6 yet. will i still get security updates on v.6, pls? |
| 21:06.12 | nkuttler | mowgli: for the time being yes |
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| 21:06.23 | nkuttler | mowgli: usually for 1 year after a new stable release |
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| 21:07.08 | jhutchins_wk | mowgli: 6 wasn't getting many updates as it was. It'll probably be completely abandoned within a week or two, although security fixes will be grudgingly packaged. |
| 21:07.14 | idler420 | hey |
| 21:07.18 | idler420 | does anyone use i3 |
| 21:07.23 | idler420 | the WM |
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| 21:07.52 | jelly-home | uwjesq: hi there, is grub the only leftover issue? |
| 21:07.59 | jhutchins_wk | mowgli: To be fair, there wasn't a lot in squeeze that needed fixing. |
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| 21:08.37 | idler420 | nobody uses i3? |
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| 21:09.33 | jhutchins_wk | idler420: Somebody must. Do you? |
| 21:10.18 | jelly-home | uwjesq: verify the versions of two relevant grub packages match: dpkg -l grub-common grub-pc |
| 21:11.25 | jhutchins_wk | idler420: For less common packages like that the mailing lists/forums are a better source of help. |
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| 21:18.30 | idler420 | i use i3 |
| 21:18.43 | idler420 | i found an irc specific for it |
| 21:18.53 | idler420 | but if anyone uses it, query me |
| 21:18.55 | veryhappy | hey guys today i'm coming to you because i'm curios about "YOUR!" opinion about debian why you prefer it and what you think about the "old" versions that would actually be called outdated by other distributions and what about firefox, is there still only iceweasel or can one also use firefox? thanks for your opinion (btw: i read that you treat newbies of linux the way they should NOT be... |
| 21:18.57 | veryhappy | ...treated, if they ask it's always just "Read the fucking manual", not very find IMHO) |
| 21:19.02 | veryhappy | *kind |
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| 21:24.06 | JohnnyL | What exactly is the /run dir? |
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| 21:24.57 | format_c | JohnnyL, /run or /var/run ? |
| 21:25.19 | dutchfish | veryhappy, rtfm also could mean Read The Fine Manual, but nevertheless it is misused often. I like debian, also /msg dpkg why debian. I believe a poll is not so apropriate in here, but you are welcome in #debian-offtopic. |
| 21:25.35 | JohnnyL | format_c: "/run" |
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| 21:26.17 | format_c | JohnnyL, I don't have such a directory |
| 21:26.22 | jelly-home | uwjesq: oh well, I'm off to bed, hopefully you'll figure things or find enough help |
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| 21:30.58 | zerooneone | so i'm still running 6.0.7 and did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and an ass-ton of packages were upgraded with a shit-load kept back. my sources.list has stable as the first entry. is there any way to go back to the way it was pre-upgrade? |
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| 21:34.07 | nkuttler | zerooneone: you might be able to remove all upgraded packages, change sources to squeeze and reinstall them |
| 21:34.52 | zerooneone | how would i go about doing that nkuttler ? |
| 21:35.08 | nkuttler | zerooneone: which part? |
| 21:35.11 | veryhappy | dutchfish: thank you, that's way nicer than the answer that i expected, thank you for your kindness :) |
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| 21:35.28 | dutchfish | veryhappy, yw |
| 21:36.17 | zerooneone | remove/downgrade all upgraded packages |
| 21:36.52 | zerooneone | could it be as simple as changing the source to squeeze and then update/upgrade? |
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| 21:37.01 | nkuttler | zerooneone: well first get the list of packages.. i assume you didn't save the list? |
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| 21:37.36 | nkuttler | zerooneone: try /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 21:41.45 | caf | there's no need to remove the package then install the squeeze one; you can just do "apt-get install <package>/squeeze" to downgrade to the squeeze version (as long as you have squeeze in your sources.list) |
| 21:41.55 | shicy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.41 | shicy | http://www.pohrani.com/f/2f/TP/3iQhIXks/20130510162350.jpg |
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| 21:42.48 | shicy | this is our cake :) |
| 21:45.00 | caf | honestly you are probably better off just completing the upgrade |
| 21:45.34 | shicy | caf, i'm using unstable |
| 21:45.43 | shicy | and i broke libreoffice |
| 21:45.54 | shicy | can i install it from wheezy? |
| 21:46.19 | shicy | by # apt-get install libreoffice/wheezy ? |
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| 21:54.27 | phaedral | Very happy to report on my wheezy/jessie install. Great work! |
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| 21:55.28 | phaedral | But just popped in to test irssi. Thanks, All! |
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| 21:56.46 | caf | shicy: i don't see why not |
| 21:57.05 | shicy | thanks ;) |
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| 21:57.48 | format_c | great, seems I ran into the bug #693695 while I tried to upgrade my system..... :-( |
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| 21:58.39 | format_c | Can someone help me when my upgrade process got stuck in this state: http://paste.debian.net/3485/ |
| 21:59.10 | mucha | is it possible in irssi to filter users input from information about users connections/disconnections etc? |
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| 22:01.11 | {her|bert} | mucha: try /ignore JOINS QUITs |
| 22:01.51 | baudelaire | Why are there none of the default folders (Documents, Video, etc) in a users ~/ when choosing KDE with Wheezy? |
| 22:02.33 | Guest18294 | Hello, I want to make a local mirror of the squeeze an wheezy byt I have no idea where to find squeeze and if mirroring it is appropriate. Does anyone know how to do it? |
| 22:03.17 | Guest18294 | I know about ftpsync but there seems not to be an option for versions (e.g. I am not interested in jessie yet) too. |
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| 22:04.56 | baudelaire | Guest18294, I've heard of people using the apt-mirror package for that purpose. |
| 22:05.57 | caf | format_c: does "apt-get install libvlccore5" work? |
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| 22:06.28 | alfplayer | Guest18294: try using a cache instead |
| 22:06.32 | Guest18294 | baudelaire: afaik ftpsync is the recommended one |
| 22:06.50 | alfplayer | like apt-cache |
| 22:07.02 | mucha | in simple words, what does it mean that some package is "virtual" |
| 22:07.04 | mucha | ? |
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| 22:07.19 | Guest18294 | alfplayer: not an option for me - I need to place the mirror in a network with many computers but a slow slow connection to the Internet (and I can not influence it) |
| 22:07.45 | Guest18294 | alfplayer: having just a cache could kill the connection to the outer world |
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| 22:08.00 | rgammans | mucha: it simple terms , that it contains no files. It's just a placeholder for dependency metadata. |
| 22:08.47 | alfplayer | Guest18294: I'm not sure how it would kill it |
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| 22:10.21 | format_c | caf, it offers me to first remove libvlccore4 |
| 22:10.25 | format_c | then it ran through |
| 22:10.49 | format_c | But I had to remove all vlc related packages via dpkg -r to get apt-get -f install running through |
| 22:10.52 | alfplayer | Guest18294: because the internet would not be used if all requested files are already on the cache |
| 22:10.52 | Guest18294 | alfplayer: well, imagine you have 30-50 servers behind the cache and quite frequently you make reinstallations and installations of some exotic packages ... now, placing the cache into the network would require at first quite a long time and could exhaust its capacity |
| 22:11.24 | Guest18294 | alfplayer: I get that, but trust me, it would be a problem ... this is why I need a mirror |
| 22:11.26 | format_c | Now it seems that I can continue apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:12.17 | Guest18294 | alfplayer: it is interesting but a disk space is not a problem while network throughput is |
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| 22:17.44 | zerooneone | nkuttler: yes i have the list of packages saved. how do i downgrade them? |
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| 22:20.30 | veryhappy | guys: i got a problem while my debian installation: it says "problem while installing mbr to /dev/sdd" i also don't know why even sdd and not sda, but that's another story |
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| 22:21.45 | spyro | Does debian have to use pulseaudio or can I just go direct to ALSA? |
| 22:21.58 | spyro | they made it part of ubuntu and was a royal pain |
| 22:22.21 | alfplayer | spyro: you can use both. PulseAudio works fine for me since years |
| 22:22.34 | spyro | I've always had nothing but trouble with it |
| 22:22.53 | alfplayer | it was a pain when it was introduced in Ubuntu, for sure |
| 22:23.00 | alfplayer | but that was a long time ago |
| 22:23.07 | spyro | I'm kinda soured on it from that |
| 22:23.38 | alfplayer | It was ubuntu's decision to use it, probably |
| 22:23.45 | spyro | yeah |
| 22:23.49 | spyro | I've ditched ubuntu |
| 22:23.50 | alfplayer | so it wouldn't be PulseAudio's fault |
| 22:24.02 | spyro | eh, it's pulseaudio's fault for bein gdefective AND ubuntu's for using it |
| 22:24.55 | alfplayer | afaik, alsa didn't have proper support for pulse, and that's what cause "pulse's problems" |
| 22:25.00 | alfplayer | caused* |
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| 22:26.30 | spyro | so ubuntu sabotaged pulse by mistake? |
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| 22:40.29 | frankchimes | hello |
| 22:40.32 | frankchimes | how goes it |
| 22:40.33 | frankchimes | ? |
| 22:40.34 | format_c | hi |
| 22:40.38 | frankchimes | hi |
| 22:40.41 | frankchimes | sup |
| 22:41.43 | frankchimes | what is cracking ? |
| 22:41.52 | format_c | sorry? |
| 22:41.57 | frankchimes | what's happening? |
| 22:42.24 | frankchimes | what's more interesting than the blank wall for the moment because I stare at that shit a lot |
| 22:42.26 | format_c | I'm currently upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
| 22:42.38 | frankchimes | right on |
| 22:42.40 | frankchimes | supercomputer? |
| 22:42.42 | format_c | a blank wall? |
| 22:42.54 | frankchimes | mostly |
| 22:43.06 | frankchimes | restricted by circumstance rather not discuss |
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| 22:43.22 | frankchimes | do you have a supercomputer? |
| 22:43.26 | format_c | nope |
| 22:43.37 | frankchimes | I am waiting for user rights to a thumb drive to install debian natively |
| 22:43.41 | format_c | but ran into a bug |
| 22:43.49 | frankchimes | great distro which is why I cam here |
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| 22:44.12 | frankchimes | portage folks would fight to the death about apt but saywhat you will |
| 22:44.22 | frankchimes | linux is an all out war of flavors |
| 22:44.23 | format_c | portage? you mean gentoo? |
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| 22:44.32 | frankchimes | just like anything else in life perhaps |
| 22:44.49 | frankchimes | yes gentoo portage |
| 22:44.59 | format_c | Maybe #debian-offtopic is the better place to continue |
| 22:45.09 | frankchimes | i dont use gentoo because I am too lame |
| 22:46.02 | frankchimes | time investment, too drained from staring at walls I do not need to repeat |
| 22:46.06 | frankchimes | zombied out |
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| 22:46.51 | format_c | well I used gentoo some time ago, But this was exactly the reason why to switch to debian |
| 22:47.23 | format_c | And that everything worked out of the box without any additonal work was the ultimate reason to change |
| 22:47.24 | frankchimes | or sure id fire up a stage 3 install on deck but I don't think my supercomputer will deal with it overloaded enough 12 bootup menu items thatdon'twork etc |
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| 22:47.27 | frankchimes | brilliance |
| 22:47.43 | frankchimes | debian works |
| 22:48.01 | frankchimes | stallman approved |
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| 22:48.15 | format_c | stallman approved? |
| 22:48.17 | frankchimes | if you can live with gnash your set |
| 22:48.32 | frankchimes | rms he approves the distro |
| 22:48.35 | frankchimes | the only one |
| 22:48.53 | frankchimes | in all his greatness and eccentricity, the founder of GNU stallman.org |
| 22:49.08 | frankchimes | fyi |
| 22:49.13 | frankchimes | run rms |
| 22:49.23 | frankchimes | or get it from dpkg or apt or whathaveyou not |
| 22:49.37 | format_c | ah now. |
| 22:49.52 | frankchimes | it will check the source of the program for any proprietery evil entailments and shout it out that Stallman would not approve! |
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| 22:50.22 | frankchimes | no really its a cool program to throw in /usr/bin |
| 22:50.53 | frankchimes | cron.monthly the shit |
| 22:51.07 | frankchimes | check every line of code on your box |
| 22:51.30 | frankchimes | probably like a tinture of sed, awk and strings with some other shit never looked at the source |
| 22:51.42 | frankchimes | no egrep grep regular exp |
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| 22:52.22 | frankchimes | looking for key pinpoint evil software entities and their insidious mechanisms in which they embed themselvesinto your transistors and IC's |
| 22:52.47 | frankchimes | on a nother noted apple is hands down the best |
| 22:53.03 | format_c | frankchimes, you'r either a bit crazy or drunk maybe :-) |
| 22:53.16 | frankchimes | zany sir |
| 22:53.27 | frankchimes | talkative i'm a zany person that is all chill out |
| 22:53.45 | frankchimes | eccentric |
| 22:53.50 | format_c | ack |
| 22:53.51 | frankchimes | causes me grips of issues daily\ |
| 22:54.10 | frankchimes | not an excuse just recognize it because I know who the fuck I am cool with you? i thought so |
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| 22:54.18 | veryhappy | guys why the heck does virtualbox show me an error about vim-common.deb would be corrupt on the netinstaller cd of wheezy 8? i thought debian is robust? i'm about to install it on virtual, what's the matter? |
| 22:54.34 | frankchimes | it will install |
| 22:54.42 | frankchimes | file format |
| 22:55.15 | frankchimes | use the .iso, reminds me my bios will boot virtual machines of some kind whatever |
| 22:55.18 | frankchimes | lame |
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| 22:55.42 | frankchimes | supercomputer's are touchy |
| 22:55.55 | frankchimes | boilstered with issues and fuggup consistently |
| 22:56.17 | frankchimes | dual ghz celeron |
| 22:56.18 | veryhappy | frankchimes: do you mean my issue? |
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| 22:56.40 | frankchimes | yea maybe you have the wrong file type |
| 22:57.03 | frankchimes | debian's exclusive torrent type perhaps? |
| 22:57.04 | veryhappy | frankchimes: i'm using the iso of debian wheezy buddy?! |
| 22:57.08 | frankchimes | i don't know guessing |
| 22:57.14 | frankchimes | I go for the iso's |
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| 22:57.55 | frankchimes | i like to watch the checksum's change like the shifting rotations of a roulette wheel in a gambling game I don't play |
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| 22:58.38 | frankchimes | package integrity goes to shit |
| 22:58.42 | frankchimes | makes it spicy perhaps |
| 22:58.45 | frankchimes | never know what you are installing |
| 22:59.11 | frankchimes | threads, handles, stack heap and memory general memory traces perhaps |
| 22:59.15 | frankchimes | hell if I know |
| 22:59.26 | frankchimes | its intriguing being consistently hacked |
| 22:59.35 | frankchimes | battling for your own machine |
| 22:59.58 | frankchimes | with a supercomputer it's hard to not get hacked |
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| 23:00.12 | frankchimes | the internet is too damn hacker laden |
| 23:00.14 | veryhappy | who of you has a supercomputer? |
| 23:00.19 | frankchimes | me |
| 23:00.31 | veryhappy | frankchimes: you got a supercomputer?! |
| 23:00.36 | frankchimes | dual 1ghz celeron with 3gb ram and 512mb l2 and 1gb l3 cache |
| 23:00.38 | frankchimes | screaming! |
| 23:00.49 | frankchimes | read it and weep |
| 23:00.53 | frankchimes | those are my specs |
| 23:00.57 | frankchimes | it's a netbook |
| 23:01.01 | veryhappy | i thought they were supposed to stand only in companies |
| 23:01.10 | frankchimes | what? |
| 23:01.14 | veryhappy | supercomputers |
| 23:01.19 | relipse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.33 | frankchimes | this computer is great and it does scream and technically it is a supercomputer and you can call it trash with balf the l2 cache but whatever |
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| 23:01.47 | ChibaPet | relipse: Both words on the same line, or just in the same file? |
| 23:01.47 | frankchimes | relipse |
| 23:01.48 | frankchimes | strings |
| 23:02.05 | relipse | ChibaPet: same file |
| 23:02.13 | veryhappy | frankchimes: come on i don't care about the the fastest or the 2nd fastest computer as long as it has hell speed... |
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| 23:02.16 | frankchimes | strings *.php | grep -iname 'word word' |
| 23:02.25 | relipse | cool thanks |
| 23:02.26 | frankchimes | mine does |
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| 23:02.30 | frankchimes | np |
| 23:02.32 | frankchimes | no problem |
| 23:02.44 | frankchimes | not big on the suavve acronyms |
| 23:02.59 | relipse | will this work: grep -ir "transaction\|category" * |
| 23:03.11 | frankchimes | probalby |
| 23:03.21 | frankchimes | notsure try it |
| 23:03.27 | frankchimes | not amaster grepper |
| 23:04.15 | frankchimes | i know tee is cool and I suck with it yet a simple concept |
| 23:04.25 | frankchimes | process parallelization perfect supercomputer ;activities |
| 23:04.33 | frankchimes | my mental capabilities liminit me from it |
| 23:04.53 | frankchimes | apropos coreutils 'grep tee invocation' |
| 23:05.08 | frankchimes | i think i only have cygwin |
| 23:06.13 | frankchimes | i agree with system specs as far as having the faswtest machine I don't care because I know I have a supercomputer |
| 23:06.29 | frankchimes | it sure as shit is dynamite in this netbook size packaging |
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| 23:07.04 | frankchimes | apple prevails |
| 23:07.23 | frankchimes | best phones best computers best tablets best you can get |
| 23:08.22 | ChibaPet | relipse: There's doubtless a slicker way to do it, but my flagging brain is saying to do something like this: find . -name *.php -execdir grep -L include \{} \; >> results ; find . -name *.php -execdir grep -L include \{} \; >> results ; uniq -d results |
| 23:08.22 | frankchimes | anyone disagree? |
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| 23:08.48 | frankchimes | nice Chiba |
| 23:08.57 | frankchimes | dig it |
| 23:09.15 | ChibaPet | relipse: Except, substitute "transaction" for the first "include" and "category" for the second. (I don't have php files handy, so I searched for *.c.) |
| 23:09.39 | frankchimes | chiba rocks the house |
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| 23:10.03 | ChibaPet | There's some way to do that with a single invocation of find that'll be hugely faster, but it's not coming to mind. |
| 23:10.09 | frankchimes | purveyor of slickest knowledgeable answer |
| 23:10.25 | frankchimes | one clock cycle? |
| 23:10.32 | idler420 | so |
| 23:10.34 | idler420 | does anyone use |
| 23:10.35 | idler420 | i3 |
| 23:10.37 | idler420 | or no |
| 23:10.46 | frankchimes | iphone 3 is outdated 420 |
| 23:10.58 | frankchimes | 5 |
| 23:11.09 | frankchimes | i3? |
| 23:11.19 | ChibaPet | idler420: Please ask a specific question. |
| 23:11.22 | frankchimes | what doyou mean if not phones |
| 23:11.34 | ChibaPet | frankchimes: He means the i3 tiling window manager. |
| 23:11.35 | frankchimes | i second chiba's remark |
| 23:11.41 | frankchimes | oh |
| 23:11.43 | frankchimes | thanks chiba |
| 23:12.11 | frankchimes | haven't rocked that tiling manager in my xwindows yet |
| 23:12.29 | frankchimes | tried to go through and tour like a fool many wm's and de's |
| 23:12.33 | frankchimes | dm's |
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| 23:13.02 | frankchimes | enlightenment is cool not so much anymore lightweight desktop ftw |
| 23:13.08 | frankchimes | xfce |
| 23:13.16 | frankchimes | is alright i think lightweight will take it over |
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| 23:13.38 | frankchimes | rock openbox with compiz fusion |
| 23:13.47 | ChibaPet | relipse: No, my grep is broken there. Evidently -L doesn't like being handed a single file. But something like that. |
| 23:13.48 | frankchimes | defy the possible |
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| 23:14.09 | frankchimes | compiz doesn't sway me |
| 23:14.15 | frankchimes | big deal |
| 23:15.03 | frankchimes | waste of resources |
| 23:15.12 | frankchimes | best left to regular expressions a la Chiba |
| 23:15.33 | ChibaPet | relipse: Wow, ignore that last. I'm completely confused, and you want dash-lower-case-ell, not dash-upper-case-ell. Checking my blood sugar as I seem not to be able to think at the moment. |
| 23:15.43 | frankchimes | anyone ever made a cantenna |
| 23:15.49 | frankchimes | or wifi antenna with signal boost? |
| 23:16.06 | frankchimes | in the process I thought some pointers could help |
| 23:16.15 | relipse | i saw some guy do it with aluminum foil |
| 23:16.21 | relipse | and cardboard |
| 23:16.27 | relipse | it almost doubled the signal |
| 23:16.31 | frankchimes | how much dbi? |
| 23:16.32 | relipse | its on youtube |
| 23:16.33 | frankchimes | gain? |
| 23:16.33 | halim | hello, i installed debian 7 on my laptop today and it works quite well. but there are a couple of problems with some of the hardware. first thing i'd like to fix is the touchpad. what is the easiest way to find out what kind of touchpad it is in order to find the drivers? |
| 23:16.43 | frankchimes | dmesg |
| 23:16.48 | frankchimes | dmesg |grep synaptics |
| 23:16.50 | relipse | i dunno it was like 2 bars higher |
| 23:16.53 | frankchimes | dmesg |grep mouse |
| 23:16.57 | frankchimes | simple way |
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| 23:17.28 | frankchimes | how much gain did this guy get? |
| 23:17.48 | relipse | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyH-Uu1U7ik |
| 23:17.53 | relipse | there it is |
| 23:17.56 | frankchimes | a perfect aluminum parabola |
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| 23:18.22 | frankchimes | that was quick |
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| 23:18.34 | frankchimes | thanks |
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| 23:18.39 | frankchimes | won't watch it but hey |
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| 23:19.40 | frankchimes | any1down to swap shell accounts? |
| 23:19.45 | halim | frankchimes, thanks. it's synaptics. are there specific drivers for certain models or is there just a general driver which works on all synaptics touchpads? |
| 23:19.56 | halim | this is the output btw: http://pastebin.com/sMx1S0A9 |
| 23:20.45 | halim | oh, it seems it's an elantech touchpad |
| 23:20.48 | frankchimes | youshouldhave some mouse utils / check or rather search for mouse in general in your filesystem |
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| 23:20.59 | frankchimes | i forgot |
| 23:21.10 | frankchimes | Chiba would know |
| 23:21.23 | frankchimes | maybe |
| 23:21.34 | frankchimes | ... /usr/lib/x11r6 |
| 23:21.43 | frankchimes | if not /usr/src |
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| 23:22.14 | frankchimes | check the help files |
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| 23:22.33 | frankchimes | ... /usr/bin/doc |
| 23:22.40 | frankchimes | look for synaptics in there perhaps |
| 23:22.53 | ChibaPet | relipse: Here, actually tested this one... Sorry for the wasted time: find . -name '*.php' -execdir grep -l transaction \{} \; >> results ; find . -name '*.php' -execdir grep -l category \{} \; >> results ; sort results | uniq -d |
| 23:22.56 | histo | frankchimes: use the enter key much? |
| 23:23.46 | frankchimes | yes let me complete my entire thoughts expose digression book legth before I hit enter thank you I will work on that way for transposition of my ideas as I like this room and wish it to remain pleasant not a warzone like ##linux |
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| 23:23.56 | frankchimes | banned with the first cracking of the mouth |
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| 23:26.19 | ChibaPet | histo: Maybe here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/ElantechTouchpad |
| 23:26.51 | frankchimes | halim wish I could help you but in the process or reacquaiting myself with debian as I need to install it |
| 23:27.00 | frankchimes | Chiba is full of great ones |
| 23:27.05 | frankchimes | thanks Chiba |
| 23:27.26 | ChibaPet | All our regulars seem to be off on vacation. :P |
| 23:27.28 | histo | ChibaPet: what? |
| 23:27.37 | frankchimes | i must depart for now goodbye my friends I shall return |
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| 23:27.55 | histo | frankchimes: How about just use some punctuation instead of the enter key. |
| 23:28.12 | ChibaPet | histo: All the regulars I recognize anyway. |
| 23:28.36 | jgiorgi | need to install a i386 compiled package (printer driver) on an amd64 system, attempted to install dpkg 1.16.2 from source but get dpkg: error: failed to open package info file `/usr/local/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory when trying to use dpkg |
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| 23:29.07 | histo | ChibaPet: No I was talking about the link you sent me about touchpad's. I really don't need that info or care. |
| 23:29.20 | ChibaPet | histo: Oh, someone needed that then. |
| 23:29.43 | ChibaPet | halim: http://wiki.debian.org/de/EeePC/HowTo/ElanTouchPad |
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| 23:29.52 | ChibaPet | histo: Blame my tab get getting the wrong h-person. |
| 23:29.59 | ChibaPet | key |
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| 23:30.26 | halim | ChibaPet, thanks. but it seems i don't need to install anything. just run the configuration tool for "mouse and touchpad" and configure it the way i want |
| 23:30.37 | ChibaPet | halim: Good, good. |
| 23:31.03 | halim | just needed to enable mouse click using touchpad and scrolling |
| 23:31.15 | halim | now the second part: the wifi drivers |
| 23:31.24 | ChibaPet | halim: Is this an Asus Eee PC? |
| 23:31.44 | halim | ChibaPet, nope, it's a samsung laptop (rc530) |
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| 23:33.05 | ChibaPet | halim: Looks like it should have a fairly generic Intel wifi. I bet it just works. |
| 23:34.29 | halim | during the installation debian told me that for certain hardware to run it needs some firmware files (iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode and iwlwifi-6000g2b-5.ucode) |
| 23:34.55 | halim | i found a few files with names like those but those had different numbers at the end |
| 23:35.07 | halim | so i'm not quite sure what to do |
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| 23:35.26 | ChibaPet | halim: That driver might exist in the linux-firmware package - worth seeing if that's installed. |
| 23:35.51 | ChibaPet | firmware-linux-free |
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| 23:36.28 | histo | dpkg: tell halim about firmware |
| 23:36.39 | ChibaPet | verifying that |
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| 23:40.02 | ChibaPet | halim: Alright, I'm no longer sure what package that might be in. It could be in one of firmware-linux, firmware-linux-free, or firmware-linux-nonfree. |
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| 23:41.47 | halim | well this is what lspci gives me: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 130 (rev 34) |
| 23:42.09 | halim | and the nonfree package lists 3 entries with intel in the name but nothing about wireless |
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| 23:42.20 | ChibaPet | halim: You want some variety of iwlwifi-6000 from what I'm reading. |
| 23:42.51 | Nirvash | halim: Jus tinstall your wireless after instal |
| 23:42.53 | ChibaPet | halim: Web hits I'm seeing show this in the linux-firmware package for Ubuntu, so that's a good guess at where it might live for us. |
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| 23:44.50 | halim | well, i can't find "linux-firmware" but i can find "firmware-linux" but it doesn't do anything else than install the firmware-linux-free, -nonfree and a couple of other packages |
| 23:45.10 | halim | should i just install it and see what happens? |
| 23:45.18 | ChibaPet | halim: That's what I would do. |
| 23:45.25 | halim | ok, i'll give it a go |
| 23:46.50 | halim | if the firmware is included in one of those packages, would it work automatically or is there anything that i need to do? |
| 23:48.00 | ChibaPet | halim: I believe it'll automatically load if needed. |
| 23:48.28 | caf | there's a firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 23:48.34 | caf | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:48.36 | ChibaPet | halim: The only case of needing a manual load I've seen was a very new Ethernet interface that worked with an older driver without actually matching it. |
| 23:48.47 | ChibaPet | halim: Or caf might have the answer right there too. |
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| 23:51.31 | halim | weird, still nothing showing up |
| 23:51.42 | halim | i'll try a restart |
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| 23:55.58 | jgiorgi | i've seriously broken dpkg by attempting to install 1.16, now i've reinstalled 1.15 but am missing file /usr/local/var/lib/dpkg/available how can i correct this? |
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| 23:57.48 | halim | right it works now, thanks to you guys, ChibaPet and caf. don't know which package did it but it works now :) |
| 23:58.46 | halim | another question: is there a way to turn off bluetooth so that it doesn't get turned on after the next restart? |
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