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| 00:00.25 | aboman | Did a dist-upgrade of Sid today, now steam segfaults. Anybody know a fix? |
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| 00:02.26 | mumpitzel | DexterF: check the actual error message |
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| 00:07.25 | jonasguartieri | Hello! could someone help me with the installation of Wheezy from USB? |
| 00:07.56 | DexterF | mumpitzel: builds the module, but says it cannot load the exec format when modprobing it |
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| 00:08.16 | spreeuw | jonasguartieri copy the dvd image to the usbdrive device |
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| 00:08.31 | spreeuw | then tell the bios to boot from it |
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| 00:09.02 | spreeuw | cp x.iso /dev/sdx && sync |
| 00:09.07 | spreeuw | as stated in the faq |
| 00:09.30 | ChibaPet | Does the FAQ say to use cp? I'd think dd would be more appropriate. |
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| 00:10.05 | spreeuw | ChibaPet yeah I thought the same |
| 00:10.12 | spreeuw | but if it works it works |
| 00:10.31 | spreeuw | installed myself this way this week |
| 00:10.32 | NotJimCarrey | when reinstalling every package installed using a script, don't forget the -y, or you'll come back to it waiting for Y/n near the beginning |
| 00:10.33 | jonasguartieri | installation usually starts by pen drive, until the error in mounting cd-rom |
| 00:10.35 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 00:10.40 | ChibaPet | Alrighty, then. |
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| 00:12.18 | SM0TVI | yESSS! Victory! |
| 00:12.26 | jonasguartieri | I copied the image to the flash drive in several different ways (cp, dd, unetbootin) |
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| 00:12.57 | jonasguartieri | boot normally occurs, but during the installation, it says "there was an error when mounting the CD-ROM" |
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| 00:14.45 | debwalker | Hi guys. I'm trying to find a multi-lib dvd version of wheezy but cannot see it on any of the mirrors or cdimage.debian.org .. just a source dvd. Is there likely to be images for it soon? |
| 00:15.19 | mumpitzel | debwalker: do you mean multiarch? |
| 00:15.30 | debwalker | yeah sorry multi-arch |
| 00:15.37 | mumpitzel | DexterF: what does modinfo say? |
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| 00:15.43 | mumpitzel | debwalker: all of wheezy is multiarch |
| 00:15.54 | mumpitzel | !tell debwalker about multiarch |
| 00:15.59 | debwalker | hm |
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| 00:16.37 | mumpitzel | if you want to use x86 64 and 32bit, use the amd64 installer |
| 00:16.58 | debwalker | so if i got an amd64 image and put it on normal x86 hardware.. it will know to boot 32bit? |
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| 00:17.09 | DexterF | mumpitzel: vermagic: 3.8.5 SMP mod_unload modversions <- but I built for debian's 3.2.41. so that might be the issue. I assumed modules were built for the currently running kernel automatically. wrong? |
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| 00:17.38 | mumpitzel | DexterF: depends how you build it |
| 00:17.46 | mumpitzel | you can build them against any source |
| 00:17.47 | DexterF | debwalker: as far as I know not |
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| 00:18.03 | DexterF | mumpitzel: well... unzip the dvb drivers, make. |
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| 00:18.47 | debwalker | Oh well, thanks :) |
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| 00:20.17 | DexterF | mumpitzel: it adds various drivers for DVB devices, so it does rely on the kernel headers, not so much on the src. still I wouldn't knwo how to tell it uses the *proper* headers |
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| 00:20.42 | mumpitzel | often something like `uname -r` is used |
| 00:20.52 | mumpitzel | always depends on circumstances tho |
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| 00:25.15 | debwalker | alright guys thanks cya |
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| 00:31.32 | DexterF | mumpitzel: hmm... think I found an old one that was still linked against the 3.8. headers, removed that, the new ones I just built after installign src, symlinking /usr/src/linux just to be sure and building them again. modinfo on the ko files looks sane |
| 00:31.39 | DexterF | I'll give it a shot... |
| 00:32.25 | DexterF | oh, and, can one reboot to a specific entry with grub2? I tried grub-reboot, won't work |
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| 00:36.20 | slidesinger | glib == glibc? |
| 00:38.22 | Lehti | Is there an 'easy way' of setting up Debian to use an SSD as a cache in a system with software raided HDDs? |
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| 00:39.41 | slidesinger | Lehti: I don't know, but why a software raid at all? Why not hardware raid? More reliable, imho. |
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| 00:42.09 | Lehti | slidesinger: it's been working fine on several different setups, plus I'm not that eager to spend extra bucks on a separate controller :) |
| 00:42.41 | DexterF | mumpitzel: yup, works now. guess it was the kernel setup. will keep an eye on that next time, thanks for the hint |
| 00:42.49 | slidesinger | I can understand that. |
| 00:45.20 | debdeb | DexterF: yes, i have seen a solution. but cant remember what. sorry ;-( |
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| 00:46.00 | debdeb | slidesinger: never use a hardware-raid if you dont have the exactly same hardware as spare-parts |
| 00:46.23 | slidesinger | Always do. |
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| 00:46.53 | Audon | How to I get a command to exec at startup? |
| 00:47.12 | debdeb | Audon: which "startup"? |
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| 00:47.40 | Audon | When I boot into Linux, through grub and through SLIM and into DWM |
| 00:48.08 | Audon | The command is an xrandr one |
| 00:48.14 | debdeb | andatche: and when should it be startet? before DWM... after? |
| 00:48.25 | debdeb | andatche: sorry |
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| 00:48.48 | Audon | debdeb: I would think after DWM would be the safest bet |
| 00:49.46 | alfplayer | You may need to run it before the WM. I needed that with herbstluftwm. |
| 00:50.17 | Audon | The command works once I'm in DWM, but I don't want to do it manually every time |
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| 00:50.40 | alfplayer | if slim uses .xinitrc, you can adding it there |
| 00:50.48 | alfplayer | add* |
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| 00:51.19 | debdeb | Audon: yes. that would i look after, too .xinitrc |
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| 00:52.14 | Audon | Where is the default xinitrc, and do I have to add more than just the command I want to it? |
| 00:52.33 | alfplayer | or maybe there's some run/exec option in slim.conf |
| 00:52.44 | alfplayer | ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:52.44 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
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| 00:54.15 | CableNinja | .-. been so long.... how do I get to the login screen options/themes in gdm3? |
| 00:54.26 | alfplayer | Audon: the xrandr command should be enough. I suggest you try. |
| 00:55.06 | Audon | alfplayer: I don't think I have that file, where should I create/look for it? |
| 00:56.18 | alfplayer | Audon: as I mentioned, /home/YOU/.xinitrc (or .xsession as apt says) |
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| 01:10.49 | Ghormoon | hi, anyone ever experienced avg exe times (in nfsiostat) peaks on nfs? if I've understood it well, it means problem on my side, not on the NFS server? |
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| 01:37.23 | peterrooney | ,versions icedove |
| 01:37.24 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 10.0.12-1; sid: 10.0.12-1; wheezy: 10.0.12-1; experimental: 17.0.5-1 |
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| 01:51.29 | beryld | hi all |
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| 02:03.59 | Twist- | Should the debian7 netinst .iso files be valid/mountable? I'd like to copy one to a USB stick, but the .iso files seem damaged. |
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| 02:06.14 | alfplayer | Twist-: verify a checksum. MD5 or SHA* |
| 02:06.20 | Twist- | I can't mount them under OS X, and the windows dvd copy tool throws an "invalid iso file" error |
| 02:06.34 | zykotic10 | Twist-: if the iso doesn't md5 checksum correctly, don't bother. redownload, and use the torrent (had correct build in for transfer/resume that way). the iso are hybrid iso/usb you can use cat to put them to a usb drive (or dd or cp). |
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| 02:10.27 | Twist- | md5 is correct |
| 02:10.29 | zykotic10 | Twist-: for the netinst you hardly need the torrent ;) and that was suppose to be: ...torrent (has build in data correction and transfer/resume also works) |
| 02:11.14 | Twist- | And yeah, dd and cp have thus far failed to produce a viable USB disk. |
| 02:11.14 | zykotic10 | Twist-: if you are on mac and/or windows, i have no idea how you should create the usb - good luck. |
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| 02:12.50 | mumpitzel | what was the dd commandline? if you use windows, you can use https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer or http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite |
| 02:13.13 | zykotic10 | mumpitzel: use cat, it's easier |
| 02:13.40 | beryld | twist-: unetbootin worked for me |
| 02:13.50 | Twist- | zykotic10: If I can't mount the .iso file in the first place, the copy method would seem irrelevant |
| 02:13.53 | mumpitzel | zykotic10: under windows? |
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| 02:14.08 | mumpitzel | beryld: no it won't |
| 02:15.19 | zykotic10 | Twist-: mumpitzel under mac/windows - i have no idea. unetbootin is know to cause issues with debian, BUT my main system ONLY works with unetbootin, and origional debian media FAILS :( lenny worked, but squeeze and wheezy both fail |
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| 02:16.48 | ZekeS | There's dd for windows; forget the link tho |
| 02:17.03 | Twist- | I'm running OS X, with a windows VM available. So either way. |
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| 02:18.19 | raz | hehe |
| 02:19.00 | raz | apt-listbugs self destructs during a dist-upgrade squeeze->wheezy (too many open fds) |
| 02:19.03 | raz | should that tell me something :P |
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| 02:19.15 | alfplayer | Twist-: if you copied it right, it should boot. You may be unable to mount it because they are isohybrid images |
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| 02:22.18 | harlan | Is it normal for a torrent download of the debian-7 DVD to take 10 hours' time? |
| 02:22.46 | Twist- | derp |
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| 02:23.13 | Twist- | indeed it does. Apparently this dell bios isn't honoring the specified boot order |
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| 02:23.24 | Twist- | sorry, gang. |
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| 02:23.54 | zykotick9 | harlan: well, i'm not uploading to a ratio of 1 in 10 hours time... if that's what you mean. close to a week, an many haven't reached 1 ratio yet. |
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| 02:25.10 | zykotick9 | harlan: i downloaded almost every i386/amd64 cd/dvd torrent within a 10 hours period... |
| 02:25.15 | harlan | I've got a great ratio. |
| 02:25.25 | harlan | and it may be that my DSL speed totally sucks |
| 02:25.47 | harlan | I think that may be it - I'm getting about 120kBps download ... |
| 02:27.27 | raz | grrr |
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| 03:03.17 | HelenaKi1ty | heyy |
| 03:03.35 | HelenaKi1ty | I am struggling to get crontab to run a script every 10 minutes. :/ |
| 03:03.39 | HelenaKi1ty | currently I have... |
| 03:04.07 | HelenaKi1ty | */10 * * * * s98259 curl -k "gah" |
| 03:04.13 | HelenaKi1ty | and it's not working :/ |
| 03:04.20 | HelenaKi1ty | I even restarted the cron service |
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| 03:04.49 | dsszhjuzt | Helena, have you restarted cron? |
| 03:04.59 | HelenaKi1ty | 03:04:20 - 12/05/13 < HelenaKi1ty> I even restarted the cron service |
| 03:04.59 | dsszhjuzt | oh soryy, you did |
| 03:05.05 | dsszhjuzt | :) |
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| 03:05.17 | dsszhjuzt | what's s98259? |
| 03:05.25 | HelenaKi1ty | that's a user account |
| 03:05.32 | dsszhjuzt | why is it in crontab? |
| 03:05.39 | HelenaKi1ty | dsszhjuzt, whyy not? |
| 03:05.50 | dsszhjuzt | i don't remember having users in crontab |
| 03:05.52 | HelenaKi1ty | it's supposed to be there |
| 03:05.54 | HelenaKi1ty | well |
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| 03:06.07 | HelenaKi1ty | there are 4 default crontabs |
| 03:06.13 | HelenaKi1ty | and they're all using root |
| 03:06.20 | HelenaKi1ty | these come with debian |
| 03:06.26 | dsszhjuzt | that username sounds familiar. are you a student in italy? :) |
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| 03:06.35 | HelenaKi1ty | dsszhjuzt, no |
| 03:06.39 | dsszhjuzt | ah |
| 03:07.04 | dsszhjuzt | i can't think of anything better than maybe watching the logs |
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| 03:07.35 | HelenaKi1ty | dsszhjuzt, Where are the logs for crontab? |
| 03:08.00 | dsszhjuzt | i'd love to have a chat client which would show a little flag (nationality, by IP address) beside every nickname! |
| 03:08.15 | dsszhjuzt | Helena dont know, possibly /var/logs/ |
| 03:08.21 | dsszhjuzt | i'm sorry i cant help |
| 03:08.22 | HelenaKi1ty | dsszhjuzt, duh |
| 03:09.01 | dsszhjuzt | but it seems a trivial matter. have you tried googling it? |
| 03:09.12 | HelenaKi1ty | yep |
| 03:09.33 | dsszhjuzt | and, why 4 cron files... linux changed so much :( |
| 03:09.44 | dsszhjuzt | one crontab used to be enough. |
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| 03:12.24 | HelenaKi1ty | May 9 10:17:01 zoe /USR/SBIN/CRON[3790]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 03:12.28 | HelenaKi1ty | O.o |
| 03:12.28 | HelenaKi1ty | yet... |
| 03:12.37 | HelenaKi1ty | I see nothing for the crontab I added :/ |
| 03:13.20 | dsszhjuzt | Helena is a beautiful name |
| 03:13.27 | HelenaKi1ty | thnx |
| 03:13.31 | dsszhjuzt | where are you from? |
| 03:13.40 | mynis | I just do crontab -e and don't pay any mind to the files themselves. |
| 03:13.56 | HelenaKi1ty | England |
| 03:13.58 | dsszhjuzt | yeah, crontab -e is the standard way |
| 03:14.07 | dsszhjuzt | Croatia here |
| 03:14.08 | dsszhjuzt | :) |
| 03:14.17 | vsmatck2 | My debian wheezy install opens web pages in gedit. I got to system preference/Details/Default Applications and the fields to select the browser are grayed out. |
| 03:14.27 | HelenaKi1ty | :3 |
| 03:14.29 | dsszhjuzt | Helena isn't an english name |
| 03:14.34 | HelenaKi1ty | I know |
| 03:14.40 | dsszhjuzt | :) |
| 03:14.44 | vsmatck2 | I also open stuff with sensible-browser and it works. No idea what's up. |
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| 03:17.17 | vsmatck2 | gedit is crummy web browswer.. |
| 03:17.38 | HelenaKi1ty | vsmatck2, it's a text editor not a web browser. lol |
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| 03:20.36 | vsmatck2 | Is there some new mechanism besides "sensible-browser" that gets used in gnome 3.4? |
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| 03:21.32 | HelenaKi1ty | dssfdfdsf, :3 |
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| 03:25.07 | somethinginteres | I have a folder with 755 permissions but each time a new file is added to the directory I need to chmod that file. Is there a command I need to run to apply 755 to the folder -as well as- any new files that will go in it? I first did a chmod -R 755 * |
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| 03:26.57 | mynis | http://superuser.com/questions/151911/how-to-make-new-file-permission-inherit-from-the-parent-directory |
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| 03:28.12 | knoppix | any idea what would cause networking to black out after dist-upgrade ? ping google.com resolves the ip but no reply at all. i rebooted a knoppix cd just to ask what to look for. iptables -L shows nothing blocked. |
| 03:28.25 | knoppix | any thoughts that might help ? |
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| 03:31.07 | nnand2 | Knoppix why dist upgrading on knoppix? |
| 03:31.38 | knoppix | nnand2 if i was concerned with knoppix i wouldn't be in #debian ;/ |
| 03:31.48 | nnand2 | That means eather you just ate all your ram, or all your union fs space. |
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| 03:32.42 | knoppix | anyone ? |
| 03:32.58 | nnand2 | It might be a kernel issue. What card issue have you checked lsmod? |
| 03:33.21 | knoppix | kernel didn't upgrade. |
| 03:33.46 | knoppix | does debian stable use a different kernel than old-stable ? |
| 03:34.10 | Cheiseun | new one is 3.2, old one was 2.6 I think |
| 03:34.22 | nnand2 | So googles ip works? But not google.com? |
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| 03:34.50 | knoppix | Cheiseun: hmmm odd that dist-upgrade didn't install a new one |
| 03:34.50 | Cheiseun | knoppix: are you still on 2.6? |
| 03:35.16 | Cheiseun | knoppix, did you check the sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:35.44 | knoppix | Cheiseun: yep vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 03:37.06 | somethinginteres | mynis: cheers. |
| 03:37.31 | mumpitzel | knoppix: defaultroute not set? how is your network configured in debian? |
| 03:37.33 | nnand2 | Confusing. Does http work like links. I know some networks block ping. |
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| 03:39.08 | knoppix | mumpitzel: route add default gw {router ip} is last line in /etc/rc.local and yes it's the same as before the upgrade and was working then. |
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| 03:39.59 | SmallFry | hello |
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| 03:41.16 | mumpitzel | knoppix: why do you do it that way? it's not a good thing to do |
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| 03:41.37 | knoppix | nnand2: ping and http/s both time out from debian here "now" but both worked befor the upgrade. |
| 03:41.37 | SmallFry | anyone around |
| 03:41.37 | SmallFry | ah |
| 03:41.38 | SmallFry | whoops |
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| 03:41.42 | mumpitzel | !tell SmallFry about enter |
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| 03:41.53 | mumpitzel | knoppix: start with "man interfaces" |
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| 03:41.58 | knoppix | mumpitzel: why ???? ummm it was the first way that i got it to work and i don't change without a cause? and yes i could write it in there but then network-manager would nulify it |
| 03:41.58 | SmallFry | ...? |
| 03:42.03 | Cheiseun | knoppix, so what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? Which distributions are selected? |
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| 03:42.16 | mumpitzel | knoppix: doing it in rc.local and using network-manager is worse |
| 03:42.19 | knoppix | debian stable |
| 03:42.20 | SmallFry | mumpitzel, thanks? |
| 03:42.31 | mumpitzel | either use network-manager or don't. don't mix |
| 03:42.53 | mumpitzel | mullein: and network-manager doesn't nullify anything configured in interfaces |
| 03:43.18 | SmallFry | also, when someone has a minute. I'm quite confused with a perl module that I can not install. If anyone would be willing to help me, that would be much appreciated |
| 03:43.30 | mumpitzel | !tell SmallFry about ask |
| 03:43.42 | SmallFry | jesus |
| 03:44.07 | ChibaPet | heh |
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| 03:44.56 | knoppix | sources.list file looks something like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 03:45.20 | mumpitzel | knoppix: knoppix uses dhcp by default. why can't you use it with your debian installation? |
| 03:45.36 | mumpitzel | and again: how exactly is your network configured when you do stupid things like using rc.local? |
| 03:45.44 | knoppix | mumpitzel: didn't work with the older version |
| 03:46.42 | knoppix | mumpitzel: heh stupid things like using rc.local heh anyway dhclient ;route add.... |
| 03:47.12 | mumpitzel | LAN or WLAN? |
| 03:47.19 | qman__ | configuring your network in rc.local is a _very_ stupid thing |
| 03:47.29 | knoppix | any why i had to add the default gw i don't know. LAN/sat |
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| 03:47.41 | mumpitzel | knoppix: use interfaces and reboot |
| 03:48.06 | ChibaPet | No need to insult users, guys. It's an offbeat thing, but there's nothing wildly wrong with using rc.local ... that way. |
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| 03:48.35 | qman__ | there most definitely is |
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| 03:48.43 | knoppix | mumpitzel: one thing befor i just "go away" why would it resolve ip addresses but not recieve any data ? that's what has me stumpped |
| 03:48.53 | qman__ | and that's the only point I'm pushing; it's not to be insulting |
| 03:48.58 | mumpitzel | if I say "chibapet is stupid" I insult you. if I say "what chibapet has done there was stupid" I don't. |
| 03:49.00 | SmallFry | "I have a problem with the perl module XML::Simple; I'm running Debian version Wheezy. When I try to do "sudo cpan XML::Simple" I get the following output http://pastebin.com/WZczTVwR . I expected it to install XML::Simple." |
| 03:49.02 | SmallFry | there |
| 03:49.42 | mumpitzel | knoppix: your router is probably running a caching DNS and is in your local subnet. so you can reach your router which will resolve DNS, but you can't ping a site which is outside your local LAN |
| 03:49.43 | ChibaPet | mumpitzel: I'm sorry you don't understand courtesy. Now, please stop abusing users coming here for help. |
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| 03:50.51 | knoppix | mumpitzel: good call that makes sense. i'll go back to the starting block and play with settings some more. thanks |
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| 03:51.35 | SmallFry | More specifically, my debian version is 6.0 |
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| 03:51.52 | mumpitzel | ChibaPet: I did not abuse anyone yet, but I get very tempted to start with you. instead I helped people so far |
| 03:51.56 | dssfdfdsf | HelenaKi1ty still here? |
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| 03:52.19 | ChibaPet | Ah, ESL. Sorry. Carry on. |
| 03:52.25 | mumpitzel | SmallFry: that paste doesn't tell what test failed or why. I'd look there |
| 03:52.45 | SmallFry | what would be more helpful, sorry. |
| 03:53.06 | mumpitzel | hm? |
| 03:54.01 | SmallFry | I don't understand where I should search. The rest of my PuTTy window shows some garbled errors, which appear to have no rhyme nor reason. |
| 03:54.45 | SmallFry | as seen, here...http://pastebin.com/pA0vsfrQ |
| 03:55.28 | mumpitzel | you need to look for the first error, not the "rest". the first error usually causes the others. and if there is nothing in any output you need to check logs. and if there are no logs you need to trace the make script and see which test causes the error |
| 03:55.44 | SmallFry | hm ok |
| 03:55.59 | SmallFry | bashes his face some more. Thanks for the help |
| 03:56.17 | ChibaPet | SmallFry: This is somewhat orthogonal to your problem, but you might find life much better if you look at using local::lib, which can be had from the package liblocal-lib-perl. |
| 03:56.24 | mumpitzel | so check the first error. obviously the make test can't run cause your compilation errors. |
| 03:57.11 | SmallFry | ChibaPet, so just like installing XML::Simple I'd install local::lib? |
| 03:57.26 | SmallFry | 'sudo cpan local::lib' |
| 03:57.31 | SmallFry | correct? |
| 03:58.03 | ChibaPet | SmallFry: No, "sudo aptitude install liblocal-lib-perl" |
| 03:58.12 | mumpitzel | btw, why is a CPAN module compiling expat? |
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| 03:58.47 | ChibaPet | SmallFry: unless you have very explicit needs, you really don't want to use cpan to manage system libraries. You can find a *lot* in the Debian-supplied packages, and for those things you can't find, you can *contain* them with local::lib. |
| 03:58.48 | SmallFry | i'm not sure. my debian knowledge is limited, and I was trying to install a perl module for an irssi youtube bot |
| 03:59.07 | tekkbuzz | Got an apt-get upgrade question: every time I run it I get this error/comment -- The following packages have been kept back: linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 03:59.07 | SmallFry | ah. well that would have helped |
| 03:59.08 | SmallFry | heh |
| 03:59.19 | mumpitzel | it's just that libexpat of course ships with debian already |
| 04:00.08 | ChibaPet | SmallFry: http://search.cpan.org/~apeiron/local-lib-1.008009/lib/local/lib.pm#RATIONALE |
| 04:00.14 | SmallFry | what the IRC script I am trying to run requires XML::Simple |
| 04:00.36 | SmallFry | and it seems that the expat was a dependency of such |
| 04:01.01 | ChibaPet | SmallFry: aptitude install libxml-libxml-simple-perl |
| 04:01.30 | SmallFry | on it |
| 04:01.32 | SmallFry | thank you |
| 04:01.44 | ChibaPet | Sorry, make that libxml-simple-perl - the one I just noted is a rewrite of it |
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| 04:02.43 | SmallFry | i fail to see the difference between the two packages you listed. Please reitterate? |
| 04:03.17 | ChibaPet | The first one I noted (libxml-libxml-simple-perl) is a rewrite of the second (libxml-simple-perl) - you probably want the second one. |
| 04:03.36 | SmallFry | ah, gotcha. I missed the double libxml. |
| 04:03.47 | ChibaPet | Yeah, it's a bit subtle. I missed it too at first. |
| 04:04.44 | SmallFry | aha! it seems that my script loaded. |
| 04:04.50 | SmallFry | let me try it, and i will report |
| 04:05.04 | ChibaPet | SmallFry: There's a good chance Debian already packages everything you need as dependencies. The only thing to really worry about is if your cpan exploration managed to shove something into your Perl installation that will bite you later. |
| 04:05.31 | SmallFry | heh, likely |
| 04:05.34 | ChibaPet | SmallFry: The other bit is, really think about local::lib for the bits you have that aren't packaged by Debian. It makes life much easier and much more manageable. |
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| 04:13.41 | SmallFry | thank you ChibaPet my script now runs. |
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| 04:13.58 | ChibaPet | Good deal. :) Alright, g'night all. |
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| 04:22.34 | the-gibson | anyone know what happened to the E17 package in the wheezy repos? I seem not to find anything but the e17-data |
| 04:25.19 | j_v | I can only find e17 listed for testing/unstable/experimental |
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| 04:33.37 | truexfan81 | the-gibson: i asked that question months ago and got no answer |
| 04:33.52 | truexfan81 | if you want e17 on wheezy you have to compile it and its dependencies |
| 04:34.26 | truexfan81 | its a pain too the dependencies have to be compiled and installed in a certain order for it all to work |
| 04:34.56 | crackerjackz | i always liked e16... can you still get e16? |
| 04:34.57 | jiohdi | if you want really light use JWM and cairo-dock |
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| 04:38.57 | the-gibson | truexfan81: thanks, yea it looks like im resorting to building it.. |
| 04:40.17 | j_v | https://mcwhirter.com.au/craige/blog/2013/E17YankedFromDebian7.0%28Wheezy%29 |
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| 04:41.17 | j_v | helpful note about how installing e17 (16,99 anyways) |
| 04:42.25 | somiaj_ | j_v: you could grab the source for 17.1 from experimential if you really want to, wheezy probabaly satsifies the build depends |
| 04:42.50 | somiaj_ | j_v: /msg dpkg ssbp (if everything is nice that will work, though change to the version you want) |
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| 04:43.07 | the-gibson | I did find this: http://omicron.homeip.net/#easy_efl_sh |
| 04:43.19 | the-gibson | well see if that works |
| 04:44.07 | the-gibson | testing on a vm first, I dont trust long scripts |
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| 04:44.39 | raz | is there a modern replacement for 'reportbug'? |
| 04:45.00 | somiaj_ | raz: what are you wanting? some gui frontend? |
| 04:45.06 | raz | is annoyed reportbug doesn't seem to let him edit his mail from address and generally makes invalid assumption about a working MTA setup |
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| 04:45.11 | raz | somiaj_: ^ |
| 04:45.25 | j_v | somiaj: thanks anyways,,, the-gibson was asking |
| 04:45.55 | somiaj_ | raz: I see a reportbug-ng package in sid |
| 04:46.11 | raz | somiaj_: hm, gonna take a look |
| 04:46.30 | somiaj_ | raz: yea, I think it needs a better offline setup to. I end up having to copy the /tmp/email to my mail server (since sending out is a pita) |
| 04:46.33 | raz | somiaj_: for now my ddclient report will have go to /dev/null ;) |
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| 04:47.01 | somiaj_ | damn seems to be based on QT, to bad it isn't a terminal app, (: |
| 04:47.09 | raz | somiaj_: yup. it's a pity since i like the workflow otherwise. but it's 2013, it shouldn't assume the sending host has any kind of meaningful MTA configuration.. |
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| 04:47.46 | raz | that may have been true 20 years ago.. but probably not even then :) |
| 04:47.47 | somiaj_ | raz: yea, I see no reason to run a redirect MTA just so some apps can send an email |
| 04:47.55 | raz | somiaj_++ |
| 04:47.59 | vagn | wheezy xapi: doing xe vm-list and getting Authentication failed. any pointers? |
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| 04:50.01 | somiaj_ | raz: well report a wishlist bug for reportbug. (: |
| 04:50.21 | raz | somiaj_: i wish my i could remotely justify spending that time ;) |
| 04:57.20 | \\Mr_C\\ | can a /dev/sdX be /dev/mmcblk0 ? because when i type partprobe -s thats what it shows the name as |
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| 05:05.28 | mumpitzel | \\Mr_C\\: those are stuff like SD cards, yes |
| 05:05.52 | \\Mr_C\\ | thanks |
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| 05:19.44 | prince_jammys | go debian! |
| 05:20.00 | prince_jammys | that's all, sorry. |
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| 05:28.33 | nobody_ | sup |
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| 05:36.45 | AlexLikeRock | hy guys |
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| 06:32.55 | dr0p | hello, is there any way I can install iwlwifi package before fresh wheezy installation? I have no access to eth network. I can install wheezy only using wifi. |
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| 06:33.44 | dr0p | I have downloaded package to /firmware directory, but no dpkg package installed. |
| 06:35.34 | truexfan81 | dr0p: sounds like you need the deb package |
| 06:35.41 | truexfan81 | let me see if i can search it out |
| 06:36.15 | tharkun | dr0p: install base system, install the required firmware when asked for it, keep on downloading the system, Or grab a bigger image install fully and after that configure your wifi card and update |
| 06:36.56 | dr0p | tharkun, found issue on http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/. I'll follow that. thanks |
| 06:37.06 | truexfan81 | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download |
| 06:37.18 | mumpitzel | dr0p: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 06:37.25 | nobody_ | I'm having trouble with getting the repetitive console message from my webcam being hooked up: 4:3:4 cannoet set freq 48000 to ep 0x86. it also seems to be slowing down the system |
| 06:37.31 | mumpitzel | those are installer immages with firmware already included |
| 06:37.50 | dr0p | mumpitzel, great. thank you. |
| 06:37.54 | nobody_ | is this from the uvcvideo module? |
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| 06:42.08 | riley_ | hey guys is there an easy way to update the kernel i tried compiling the 3.9.2 kernel but i keep getting panics |
| 06:42.35 | riley_ | i need something past 3.2 to get my touchpad to work right |
| 06:42.40 | mumpitzel | why do you compile your own kernel and how did you compile it? |
| 06:42.52 | riley_ | a guid i found |
| 06:43.01 | riley_ | is there a deb package for 3.9 |
| 06:43.18 | nobody_ | you dont compile your own kernel mumpitzel? |
| 06:43.22 | riley_ | and im on intel hd so i could use the better gpu support |
| 06:43.26 | truexfan81 | !tell riley_ -about experimental |
| 06:44.17 | truexfan81 | riley_: follow the instructions the bot just sent you, you can install the kernel from the experimental repos |
| 06:44.23 | riley_ | can somone point me to a deb package its going on 3 am for me and im about to pass out |
| 06:45.01 | loaden | Why the `QT_IM_MODULE` is undefined, but `QT4_IM_MODULE=ibus`? it's will broken Qt5 based application for ibus support. |
| 06:45.24 | riley_ | i have no idea what im looking for in all that |
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| 06:46.53 | truexfan81 | doesn't seem to be on the packages.debian.org site, so i think the only way to get it is by adding the repos |
| 06:46.59 | riley_ | can someone please help |
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| 06:53.16 | mumpitzel | !tell riley_ about experimental |
| 06:53.26 | mumpitzel | that's the only 3.9 kernel in debian |
| 06:53.27 | truexfan81 | mumpitzel: i already did that |
| 06:53.42 | riley_ | he just did |
| 06:53.58 | truexfan81 | bot links to the packages site which doesn't show the 3.9 kernel |
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| 06:54.54 | truexfan81 | riley_: add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main to your /etc/apt/sources.list then sudo apt-get update and then search for it in terminal |
| 06:55.47 | riley_ | http://linuxg.net/install-linux-kernel-3-8-6-on-ubuntu-debian-and-linux-mint-operating-systems/ |
| 06:55.54 | riley_ | im trying that right now |
| 06:55.57 | mumpitzel | riley_: that's a stupid idea |
| 06:56.09 | riley_ | i just need it past 3.5 |
| 06:56.27 | mumpitzel | it's still a terminally stupid idea to run a ubuntu kernel in debian |
| 06:56.45 | riley_ | well okay.. |
| 06:56.58 | truexfan81 | mumpitzel: i added the experimental repos, have tried searching for linux-image using aptitude search, and apt-cache search, 3.9 does not show up, so how does one find the package name to install it? |
| 06:57.35 | truexfan81 | shouldn't be this hard to find it...this is crazy |
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| 06:59.08 | mumpitzel | truexfan81: apt-cache search -t experimental linux-image |
| 06:59.31 | truexfan81 | aww dude left just when i found it |
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| 07:01.06 | truexfan81 | oh i'm wrong |
| 07:01.09 | truexfan81 | its not there |
| 07:01.49 | truexfan81 | mumpitzel: http://paste.debian.net/3701/ |
| 07:02.36 | mumpitzel | then something is wrong. I get a ton of different images. e.g -486, -686 for starters |
| 07:02.54 | mumpitzel | , http://paste.debian.net/3701/ |
| 07:03.05 | mumpitzel | ,versions linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 |
| 07:03.06 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 on i386 -- jessie: 3.2.41-2; wheezy: 3.2.41-2 |
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| 07:04.40 | truexfan81 | fixed my problem but still nothing newer than 3.2.0-4 |
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| 07:05.12 | truexfan81 | http://paste.debian.net/3702/ |
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| 07:06.25 | mumpitzel | truexfan81: then I guess pdo is the only way |
| 07:06.41 | truexfan81 | !tell truexfan81 about pdo |
| 07:07.22 | truexfan81 | hmm bot didn't help me there |
| 07:07.31 | mumpitzel | packages.debian.org |
| 07:07.41 | truexfan81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.26 | truexfan81 | what are the odds of my netbook breaking right now? i have it installing jessie updates |
| 07:08.44 | mumpitzel | fairly good. right now jessie is very volatile |
| 07:09.17 | truexfan81 | and then in a few days it can fix itself via apt-get install -f :) |
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| 07:09.46 | truexfan81 | seems unbroken |
| 07:11.01 | truexfan81 | i don't see anything important updated there http://paste.debian.net/3703/ |
| 07:11.10 | truexfan81 | hehe |
| 07:12.31 | truexfan81 | lsb_release shows i'm running jessie now :) |
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| 07:14.10 | mumpitzel | which is bad. that means the main push of new packages is still to come |
| 07:14.41 | truexfan81 | oh well, i know enough about the package management to be able to fix it |
| 07:14.58 | truexfan81 | when the fixed packages are pushed anyway |
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| 07:16.14 | truexfan81 | i've managed to break packages to the point where apt wouldn't fix it, only fix was to sudo dpkg -r lol |
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| 07:21.22 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 07:21.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-1-686-pae (3.8.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
| 07:21.51 | mumpitzel | IIRC experimental now only carries 3.9 |
| 07:22.05 | jelly-home | not on my mirror it doesn't |
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| 07:23.35 | mumpitzel | had a conversation with babilen not long ago where there was only 3.9 there. 3.8 can be installed to wheezy as is, 3.9 needs new initramfs-tools |
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| 07:24.18 | jelly-home | perhaps it's amd64 only |
| 07:24.25 | vsmatck2 | Gnome 3.4 strikes me as low quality software. Is gnome 3.6 a lot better or do the gnome people just have low standards? |
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| 07:25.01 | truexfan81 | lol @ vsmatck2 |
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| 07:27.46 | vsmatck2 | I won't be here for long, you see, I'm switching gnome themes and that causes gnome to crash about 1/2 the time. |
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| 07:28.06 | truexfan81 | sounds like typical gnome lol |
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| 07:29.04 | vsmatck2 | I've been making my own gnome3 theme today because they broke gtk2 compatability. I've crashed my gnome over 400 times today while I'm iterating on my theme. It's quite disgusting. |
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| 07:29.42 | truexfan81 | so use something else then |
| 07:29.46 | vsmatck2 | I don't really like any other desktop environment better. Except for windows XP and OS9. But I'm not willing to use them. |
| 07:29.59 | vsmatck2 | So I'll just settle for complaint. |
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| 07:30.43 | prince_jammys | I find that with gnome it's best not to force things. |
| 07:30.57 | prince_jammys | so let it crash away, it's probably for a good cause. |
| 07:31.42 | prince_jammys | you should file a bug report though if it's crashing inconsistently. It should crash 100% of the time. |
| 07:31.57 | truexfan81 | bahahahahahaha |
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| 07:32.21 | vsmatck2 | yeah, it's a joke. |
| 07:32.36 | truexfan81 | vsmatck2 , prince_jammys wanna have some fun? lets take this to #gnome :P |
| 07:32.51 | vsmatck2 | I don't know if I'm ready for that much fun. |
| 07:33.04 | vsmatck2 | I'm just venting. A little frustrated. |
| 07:33.24 | truexfan81 | they probably used to it |
| 07:33.26 | vsmatck2 | It's so uncomfortable upgrading. Getting used to a new set of bugs. |
| 07:33.57 | vsmatck2 | It's not really the bugs which bother me. It's the regressions. |
| 07:34.13 | vsmatck2 | gedit is all but worthless to me now. |
| 07:34.20 | vsmatck2 | I've used that text editor for years. |
| 07:34.46 | vsmatck2 | If I can't reorder files in the documents side pane I basically can't use it. |
| 07:35.08 | vsmatck2 | One gets used to pain. When the pain changes it hurts again. |
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| 07:40.22 | AlexLikeRock | hi how to add koren to keyboar , i do by panel control but not work |
| 07:41.16 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexLikeRock: I think you want to look into 'ibus' |
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| 07:41.38 | AlexLikeRock | what its that ? |
| 07:41.48 | rabbitear_sdf | AlexLikeRock: i haven't used it that much, just for my g/f, set it up once.. |
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| 07:42.23 | AlexLikeRock | "g/f" ¿??? |
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| 07:42.38 | rabbitear_sdf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Input_Bus |
| 07:43.02 | prince_jammys | girlfriend. |
| 07:43.05 | AlexLikeRock | tanjs |
| 07:43.07 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
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| 07:50.47 | dgriffi | the last few thumbdrives I've used came out of the box as /dev/sdb rather than /dev/sdb1. This causes a popup of "unable to mount KINGSTON Not Authorized". What's going on? |
| 07:50.55 | AlexLikeRock | rabbitear_sdf, why can not add more language? http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-q4veSRcl.png |
| 07:51.04 | dgriffi | when they were partitioned as /dev/sdb1, this didn't happen |
| 07:53.07 | AlexLikeRock | dgarstang2, cat /etc/fstab |
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| 07:54.10 | AlexLikeRock | dgarstang2, and paste her http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 07:55.05 | dgriffi | oh, this is dumb. fstab for me too |
| 07:55.22 | prince_jammys | it's meant for you. bad nickname tab completion. |
| 07:55.38 | dgriffi | oh |
| 07:56.10 | dgriffi | well, I just had a brainfart |
| 07:56.41 | dgriffi | my confusion is why thumb drives seem to be appearing that are partitioned as /dev/sdb now instead of /dev/sdb1 (for instance) |
| 07:57.20 | AlexLikeRock | dgriffi, cat /etc/fstab and paste her http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 07:57.28 | AlexLikeRock | sorry by confution |
| 07:57.41 | lolgnu | dgriffi: Why parittion a thumbdrive? Just write a filesystem on it |
| 07:58.34 | AlexLikeRock | some one , why can not add more language? http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-q4veSRcl.png |
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| 07:58.47 | dgriffi | lolgnu: I'm not partitioning it. It's just that previously when I plugged in a brand new thumb drive, they appeared to be partitioned |
| 07:59.01 | dgriffi | now this isn't the case. I was wondering why the change |
| 07:59.14 | lolgnu | dgriffi: They probably were, but there is no need for partitions on a drive with just one filesystem |
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| 07:59.20 | dgriffi | http://paste.debian.net/3704/ |
| 08:00.04 | lolgnu | So sdb1 means the first partition, but there is no point in having partitions |
| 08:00.09 | dgriffi | anyhow, there's my fstab. I just got set in my ways and like to mount flash drives at /flash... now I have to try mounting /flash and then /thumb... or is there a simpler way around this |
| 08:00.10 | lolgnu | sdb means it is just a filesystem |
| 08:00.41 | dgriffi | lolgnu: I know what sdb1 means.. that's for assorted other thumbdrives that I've received that are paritioned for whatever reason |
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| 08:01.23 | dgriffi | uuddlrlrbas |
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| 08:02.33 | lolgnu | dgriffi: partition it the way you would like them to |
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| 08:03.12 | dgriffi | lolgnu: I know.. I'm just trying to make sure I can easily deal with random thumb drives I get from other people |
| 08:03.25 | AlexLikeRock | i tink this are wrong , must be delete "/dev/sdb /thumb auto user,noauto 0 0" |
| 08:04.35 | dgriffi | AlexLikeRock: how so? |
| 08:05.37 | AlexLikeRock | dgriffi you have Gnome ? |
| 08:05.46 | AlexLikeRock | or what desk top ¿ |
| 08:05.59 | dgriffi | Mate |
| 08:06.38 | AlexLikeRock | ok,just delete they line and save the file |
| 08:07.17 | dgriffi | AlexLikeRock: I don't see what that's supposed to help. That particular line is what's allowing the thumb drive to be mounted by a non-root user |
| 08:07.18 | AlexLikeRock | and unplug/plug again your device |
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| 08:08.30 | AlexLikeRock | you can not mount without partiton explicit |
| 08:08.43 | AlexLikeRock | they no have a number |
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| 08:09.20 | AlexLikeRock | this are good "/dev/sdb1 /flash auto user,noauto 0 0" |
| 08:10.41 | AlexLikeRock | any one , why can not add more language? http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-q4veSRcl.png |
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| 08:11.02 | Quest | i would say then which distros are best for servers if wanted to be free and maintain our selfs? |
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| 08:15.48 | AlexLikeRock | look i have korean installed and they not write on korean http://picpaste.com/snapshot4-iIV5PNjn.png |
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| 08:23.37 | foubarre | Hello. I am looking into installing virtualbox-ose to an arm-based wheezy. Apt-get tells me that "it is not installable". Could that possibly mean that there is just no release for that architecture? How do i check that? |
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| 08:24.53 | mumpitzel | foubarre: virtualbox exists for x86 only |
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| 08:26.56 | foubarre | mumpitzel: that's what i feared. I am, however not looking into the full package, i would just need vdfuse in order to mount vdi file RW. Do you know any other mean for that task? |
| 08:30.42 | foubarre | mumpitzel: hm. I'm trying this, right now.. http://robsworldoftech.blogspot.fr/2010/11/mounting-any-virtualbox-supported-vdi.html hope it will work.. |
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| 08:32.11 | debwalker | hey guys |
| 08:32.24 | ByronZED | Rippln Mobile Apps Social Gamification - http://www.rippln.by/get-started/ |
| 08:32.31 | debwalker | for some reason I cannot su to root from normal user, and there is no wheel group.. any ideas? |
| 08:32.35 | debwalker | oops |
| 08:32.43 | debwalker | for some reason I cannot su as normal user* |
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| 08:35.28 | niteye | in wheezy how do i set gdm so it logs in automatically on startup ? |
| 08:35.57 | debwalker | gdm3? |
| 08:36.20 | debwalker | update-rc.d gdm3 defaults |
| 08:36.23 | debwalker | as root |
| 08:36.48 | debwalker | or whatever the script is named in /etc/init.d |
| 08:39.29 | debwalker | I think I may have disallowed root logins during install by mistake.. does anyone remember the config file for changing that? |
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| 08:40.27 | RubyU | is there a problem with the netinst iso for debian7 when using a usb drive as installation media? ive tried and failed with several methods and drives now |
| 08:41.44 | debwalker | no I used a netinstall on usb only an hour or so ago |
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| 08:42.07 | debwalker | but saying that .. that method only worked on one box, but i thought it was down to the bios |
| 08:42.08 | mumpitzel | debwalker: what happens when you run "su"? |
| 08:42.21 | debwalker | su: Authentication failure |
| 08:42.25 | RubyU | hm could be my box that's causing it |
| 08:42.31 | mumpitzel | RubyU: under what OS are you trying to create the USB stick? |
| 08:42.39 | RubyU | windows7 |
| 08:42.46 | debwalker | I guess wheel group is gone in wheezy now? |
| 08:42.47 | RubyU | borked my lan server last night |
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| 08:43.24 | debwalker | but i may have told the installer I didn't want root logins.. |
| 08:43.30 | RubyU | i tried unetbootin, linuxlive, cat'ing the image to the stick (under cygwin though) and dd'ing the image to the stick |
| 08:43.50 | dokma | I've got numlock on in BIOS and in GRUB menu it works as expected. By the time I reach Slim login dialog numlock is off both in X and on the console. |
| 08:43.57 | dokma | Where do I change this? |
| 08:44.07 | mumpitzel | RubyU: use this https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/ |
| 08:44.21 | mumpitzel | !wheel |
| 08:44.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, wheel is the traditional name of security group 0 in BSD (from slang for "big wheel" as a powerful person). This group is irrelevant in the default Debian configs but you can use the "sudo" group to give users the ability to run commands as root through sudo; ask me about <sudoers>. Alternatively, look at the pam_wheel module for <PAM> which will only allow su to root from members of the wheel group. |
| 08:44.27 | dokma | I've got Logitech solar K750 usb if that has anything to do with it... |
| 08:44.51 | mumpitzel | debwalker: so what happens if you run su? |
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| 08:45.10 | debwalker | authentication failure.. i get asked for passwod but "su: Authentication failure" |
| 08:45.23 | debwalker | the password is ok, I can login on the main console, just not as user |
| 08:45.34 | debwalker | also I don't have 'wheel only' set |
| 08:45.45 | mumpitzel | can you use sudo? |
| 08:45.53 | debwalker | if I set it up probably |
| 08:46.11 | mumpitzel | normally, the debian installer only asks you if you want to use sudo. nothing else |
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| 08:46.33 | debwalker | I don't have sudo installed |
| 08:46.57 | RubyU | mumpitzel thank you, i'll try it and see how it goes |
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| 08:48.30 | debwalker | strangely I can login as root on another box that I just setup |
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| 08:48.57 | debwalker | the difference between this box and that one is I set this box up using deboostrap --variant=minbase then installed net/kernel/lilo/etc via chroot |
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| 08:51.57 | moonman | [6~ |
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| 08:55.28 | debwalker | I checked the pam options.. no restrictions set on that |
| 08:55.28 | ispireme | is away (im off. visit my IT-blog at www.ispire.me) |
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| 09:00.08 | xand | ispireme: no spam thanks |
| 09:00.09 | debwalker | ah i fixed it |
| 09:00.20 | debwalker | I had set nosuid in fstab for / |
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| 09:00.35 | debwalker | apparently the base system doesn't thank me for 'nosuid' :P |
| 09:00.50 | SuperDMP | xand: that has appeared all over the place |
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| 09:09.33 | debwalker | hm is the new 'volatile' updates.. http://ftp.foo.debian.org/ wheezy-updates .. etc? |
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| 09:12.13 | gusnan | debwalker, http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 |
| 09:12.34 | debwalker | thanks |
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| 09:17.34 | AlexLikeRock | hhelp |
| 09:17.45 | AlexLikeRock | how to write on korean _? |
| 09:18.07 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.39 | fender0107401 | Hi all, I got a problem. How to install ssl module for apache? |
| 09:42.48 | fender0107401 | system = debian 7.0 |
| 09:43.08 | fender0107401 | I don't kown which package should be installed. |
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| 09:46.19 | Vicissitude | fender0107401, my guess would be mod_ssl |
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| 09:46.51 | fender0107401 | I did't find it. |
| 09:47.03 | patter | which is in the main apache package |
| 09:47.43 | fender0107401 | apache2 |
| 09:48.21 | patter | there should be ssl load (and possibly conf) files in /etc/apache2/modules-available |
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| 09:49.25 | no_gravity | Good Morning! |
| 09:49.30 | patter | from package apache2.2-common |
| 09:49.41 | no_gravity | Interesting, this site tells me that a lot of the big websites do not support ipv6: http://ipv6-test.com/validate.php i would not have expected that. |
| 09:50.09 | xand | fender0107401: ssl is part of the apache package - a2enmod ssl |
| 09:50.44 | fender0107401 | ? |
| 09:50.59 | fender0107401 | a2enmod? |
| 09:51.07 | xand | that command enables the module. |
| 09:51.30 | fender0107401 | seems I remenber |
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| 09:51.45 | fender0107401 | seems I have to enable that |
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| 09:52.53 | fender0107401 | haha, I got that, too long since the last system installation. :) |
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| 09:59.41 | Ritzton | I am removed amavis setting from postfix but I am still getting this message in the mail logs : "May 12 11:18:38 vps postfix/qmgr[23790]: warning: connect to transport private/smtp-amavis: Connection refused", would you have any idea what is wrong ? |
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| 10:00.03 | ompaul | Ritzton: you have reloaded / restarted |
| 10:00.31 | TomasCZ | sock permissions? |
| 10:01.44 | Ritzton | ompaul> yeah I did /etc/init.d/postfix restart |
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| 10:02.00 | Ritzton | tomasCZ> sock permissions ? |
| 10:02.03 | ompaul | Ritzton: try service postfix restart |
| 10:02.46 | TomasCZ | I know that for example when I tried to make dovecot work with postfix, I did need to check permissions that the socket will be made with when dovecot starts |
| 10:02.59 | alfatau | hello. after many years i came back to debian. the last version i used was woody, where to reset an application configuration (i.e. evolution) i simply deleted the ~/.evolution/ directory. Now i installed wheezy and i found many difference in gnome properties. what's the correct way to delete an application configuration? thank you for your attention. |
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| 10:03.05 | TomasCZ | (actually postfix used dovecot for auth) |
| 10:04.10 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> but how do you check it ? |
| 10:04.30 | Ritzton | ompaul> what is the difference ? |
| 10:04.47 | ompaul | Ritzton: well the more modern debians use that squeeze / wheezy |
| 10:04.57 | NineX | ritzton: i got same problem with connection to mysql |
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| 10:05.05 | ompaul | Ritzton: the last time everything was happy with /etc/init.d was lenny |
| 10:05.05 | NineX | i chenged init script dependencies |
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| 10:05.14 | NineX | ritzton: ^^ |
| 10:05.40 | NineX | ritzton: to run mysql before postfix |
| 10:05.53 | Ritzton | NineX: but I want to remove Amavis, I dont even know why I installed it |
| 10:06.25 | patter | alfatau: it varies. modern gnome apps tend to use .gnome or .gconf - but gconf's similar to the windows registry, not regular config files |
| 10:06.35 | mumpitzel | Ritzton: check your /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 10:06.43 | NineX | ritzton: vi /etc/postfix/main.cf , search amavis , then vi /etc/postfix/master.cf do the same |
| 10:06.46 | NineX | :D |
| 10:06.58 | TomasCZ | :D |
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| 10:09.27 | Ritzton | NineX there is nothing about amavis in those files, I have already searched inside :-/ |
| 10:10.04 | Ritzton | and I got this amavis error at regular interval of time : each 1h10 |
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| 10:10.43 | NineX | ritzton: cron? |
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| 10:10.55 | NineX | ritzton: check /etc/cron.daily |
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| 10:11.16 | NineX | ritzton: maybe some statistics script or something |
| 10:11.46 | TomasCZ | oke, then do grep -i amavis /etc/postfix/* |
| 10:12.04 | TomasCZ | NineX, anvil does some stats, I have that running, yet no amavis |
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| 10:14.54 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, have you removed(dpkg/apt) amavis already? |
| 10:15.21 | Ritzton | NineX, I thought about it, there is a file amavisd-new in cron.d and cron.daily, but it is doing this "test -e /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob && exec /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob sa-clean" and when I am doing this command, it is not doing the error |
| 10:15.22 | TomasCZ | if not you want aptitude purge |
| 10:15.43 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> not amavis is not uninstalled, I wanted to keep it installed |
| 10:15.52 | TomasCZ | hmm. |
| 10:15.57 | Ritzton | installed but disabled |
| 10:16.34 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, by "each 1h10" you mean daily? (routine check) |
| 10:16.49 | NineX | ritzton: or hourly |
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| 10:17.06 | TomasCZ | thinking about cron.d |
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| 10:17.33 | vompatti | what does console-kit-daemon do? |
| 10:18.10 | Ritzton | "grep -i amavis /etc/postfix/*" returns nothing |
| 10:18.28 | vompatti | dfuq ._. brb |
| 10:18.37 | debwalker | you need console kit |
| 10:18.50 | debwalker | its not a daemon it just sets up your terminal fonts etc |
| 10:19.08 | debwalker | dunno why it would need a daemon |
| 10:19.09 | Ritzton | this is the entry I have in cron.d "18 */3 * * * amavis test -e /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob && /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob sa-sync" |
| 10:19.26 | Ritzton | but when I am trying the command myself, I dont have error in mail logd |
| 10:19.47 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, there is a difference my friend |
| 10:20.23 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, that cronjob is not run under root, so as superuser you will have almost no chance to get "permission denied" |
| 10:21.04 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> yeah I agree but it is */3 which doesnt fit with 1h10 also |
| 10:21.35 | Quest | ports can be forwarded by routers/switches and NATing can be done. how to do that if the thats a linux server instead? |
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| 10:22.13 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, oke, can we move a little back, I for routine check ask-ed if that 1h10 means daily occurrence of error or more frequently. |
| 10:22.45 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> sorry ? |
| 10:23.27 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, "each 1h10" what it means in detail? |
| 10:23.50 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, once a day error shows up, or more often than once a day? |
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| 10:25.11 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> more often than once a dat 7H48, 8H58, 10h08, 11h18... |
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| 10:25.38 | cirrus] | hi |
| 10:26.25 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, is there a service/process amavis running? |
| 10:26.37 | cirrus] | I have installed wheezy when it was testing. Now wheezy became stable version. Do I have to upgrade to testing, or my debian is already testing? |
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| 10:27.05 | TomasCZ | cirrus], depends what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:28.12 | cirrus] | TomasCZ, I have "deb <debian packages server> wheezy main contrib non-free" |
| 10:28.20 | mumpitzel | then you run stable |
| 10:28.34 | cirrus] | :( |
| 10:28.41 | cirrus] | how can I get testing again? |
| 10:28.42 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> well yes there is still something even if I have stoped everything.... http://pastie.org/7898077 |
| 10:29.19 | Quest | don which Linux distro can i get most of the community free support? and which distro has most softwares available to use? |
| 10:30.06 | mumpitzel | Quest: I suggest you ask this in ##linux |
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| 10:30.18 | mumpitzel | cirrus]: replace "wheezy" with "jessie" |
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| 10:31.22 | lord_rob | with testing :) it'll always work |
| 10:31.54 | Quest | k |
| 10:31.57 | cirrus] | mumpitzel, okay, I've did it, should I run now dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:32.45 | lord_rob | apt-get update first |
| 10:32.52 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> I cant understand why I do have those process running, should I kill them ? do you think it is the problem ? I mean "su amavis" why it is doing going away this is not supposed to be a process ? |
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| 10:33.53 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, no those are fine, I guess you are now under amavis user. (pts/0 points to your ssh connection terminal so you started those) |
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| 10:35.19 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, try something like: tail -f -n 222 /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog (it will be lot of text) |
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| 10:36.09 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, look for times and events mentioned there that match your times(for example cron logging that it executed that and that job, and then boom error shows) |
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| 10:37.46 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> well I have restarted ssh connexion and I did ps -aux and then there is still "root 25051 0.0 0.0 6032 680 pts/0 S+ 12:36 0:00 grep amavis", do you know why ? |
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| 10:38.47 | Mirrakor | Does anyone know how I can watch djvu files in iceweasel? |
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| 10:39.00 | ajcc | Hi guys, I have two NICs in my computer, then secondary NIC isn't connected to the Internet and I intend to use it to netboot a computer, however, whenever I plug the cable in, the network manger in LXDE makes it the default, and only a /etc/init.d/networking restart will get things right again |
| 10:39.04 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, simple this is about timing of command, and life of a process. I guess you ran ps aux|grep amavis ? then in order to get filtered output from ps, you started grep process with parameter amavis, obviously in ps output that grep would also match |
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| 10:39.38 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> yes I did it but then after I quit ssh connexion |
| 10:39.44 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, if you run ps aux|grep amavis couple of times you might not see grep every run. |
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| 10:41.11 | Ritzton | "you might not see grep every run" what does that mean ? |
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| 10:42.42 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, it means that it is matter of <ms. ps aux will only show you all processes. But if you start grep amavis witch will filter that output for keyword amavis, and by chance in process list "grep amavis" is also obtained then what will you see at end? it contains amavis afterall doesn't it? |
| 10:42.45 | Viins | Hi ! |
| 10:43.18 | Viins | Is there someone who could help me? |
| 10:43.29 | Viins | I've some issues with PHP5 |
| 10:43.41 | fender0107401 | say it |
| 10:43.43 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, look for PID of that grep if it changes everytime you look for amavis, that is completely normal. If once in few tries the grep doesn't even show that is also normal. |
| 10:43.44 | mumpitzel | Viins: just ask. and write in longer lines with less enter usage |
| 10:44.12 | Ritzton | ThomasCZ> this is what I get http://pastie.org/7898114 |
| 10:44.23 | mumpitzel | ajcc: edit your /etc/network/interfaces and assign a static IP to your 2nd NIC |
| 10:44.41 | mumpitzel | ajcc: you need a static IP anyways when you want to run a tftp or similar on it |
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| 10:45.50 | jaggz|3 | can I upgrade libc on a running active system? |
| 10:45.58 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, are you positive you restarted postfix and it didn't shown any amavis in main.cf master.cf ? |
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| 10:46.02 | Viins | Well, It's impossible to install php5 (and other mods, like php5-cgi...) on my server... when trying to "apt-get install php5 php5-common php5-cgi --force", I've the following error : "PHP5 depends of libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-php5filter, php5-cgi and php5-fpm, but they will not being installed..." |
| 10:46.12 | fender0107401 | Finally, 7.0 is released, so I can enjoy an perfect develop system two yeas, without needing too much cares. ^_^ |
| 10:46.13 | vompatti | what happens if I disable console-kit-daemon? |
| 10:46.54 | patter | Viins: don't use --force, add libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-php5filter ... etc to 'apt-get install' |
| 10:47.06 | TomasCZ | Viins, have you tried to exclude php5 package? |
| 10:47.27 | TomasCZ | Viins, and just install php5-cgi and "modules" |
| 10:47.36 | ajcc | mumpitzel: forgot to say I have assigned a static IP to my second NIC |
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| 10:47.41 | patter | you'll need the package "php5" |
| 10:48.01 | TomasCZ | Viins, patter, depends what he wants to use php for and how |
| 10:48.09 | Viins | When trying to install one by one, I've an other error : "defective packets" |
| 10:48.18 | jaggz|3 | for some reason I'm concerned that upgrading libc will break running processes |
| 10:48.36 | TomasCZ | Viins, for what use the php5 will be? |
| 10:48.48 | TomasCZ | afk |
| 10:49.06 | Viins | For WebSites like Wordpress, or others things |
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| 10:50.23 | jaggz|3 | I guess I should wait until I'm awake |
| 10:50.30 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> do you think this topis might be useful ? http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.postfix.user/220040 I dont really understand it because I am a beginner |
| 10:50.49 | superuser_ir | how can find iso of debian 6 ? |
| 10:51.47 | Viins|BackS00n | I'll be back :) |
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| 10:52.08 | Ritzton | TomasCZ> when I am doing "grep retry /etc/postfix/master.cf" I do have "retry unix - - - - - error" |
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| 10:52.43 | tgs3 | (text mode) |
| 10:53.40 | patter | Viins|BackS00n: also, try installing just 1 package at a time ? |
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| 10:59.50 | cjae | what is very of kde on 7 release? |
| 10:59.56 | cjae | version* |
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| 11:00.57 | abrotman | cjae: packages.debian.org can tell you |
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| 11:01.22 | cjae | thanks |
| 11:01.23 | Quest | hi |
| 11:01.34 | abrotman | cjae: or maybe the release notes |
| 11:02.41 | Quest | 1. http://www.bashton.com/linux-distribution-comparison/ says theres no vendor support for debian but there is for ubuntu. free? is it true? 2. Iam downloading debian live cd with kde but i have only 26 seeders with slow speed. why is that so? is something wrong? |
| 11:03.21 | blip2 | http is usually fairly fast for downloading |
| 11:03.45 | blip2 | 7.0 has only just been released so there might not be many seeders for some versions yet? |
| 11:04.01 | cjae | wowzers thats old |
| 11:04.06 | abrotman | it's also for DebianLive .. not hte actual install CD |
| 11:04.12 | blip2 | oh yeh |
| 11:04.19 | blip2 | that's only in 6.0.7 still? |
| 11:04.45 | abrotman | Quest: you'll have to ask bashton why they support what they support and/or if wheezy would actually be supported |
| 11:04.51 | abrotman | cjae: what's old? |
| 11:05.00 | cjae | abrotman: kde version |
| 11:05.13 | abrotman | cjae: it's like 4.8, no? |
| 11:05.35 | blip2 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 11:05.49 | abrotman | that's still the livecd |
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| 11:05.53 | blip2 | ooh someone has updated them to wheezy |
| 11:06.07 | cjae | 4.4 abrotman i think |
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| 11:07.03 | Quest | 1. http://www.bashton.com/linux-distribution-comparison/ says theres no vendor support for debian but there is for ubuntu. free? is it true? 2. Iam downloading debian live cd with kde but i have only 26 seeders with slow speed. why is that so? is something wrong? |
| 11:07.07 | abrotman | judd: versions libkde |
| 11:07.08 | judd | No package named 'libkde' was found in i386. |
| 11:07.12 | abrotman | Quest: i already answered you |
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| 11:07.22 | cjae | 4:4.8.4-2 |
| 11:07.22 | abrotman | cjae: 4.8.4 |
| 11:07.30 | cjae | oic |
| 11:07.54 | cjae | ok thats better |
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| 11:08.12 | syncsys_ | helo |
| 11:08.45 | Quest | aboman, i didnt got the answer, i was disconnected |
| 11:08.53 | Quest | abrotman, can you repeat ^ |
| 11:08.56 | bazhang | syncsys_, hi Quest |
| 11:09.04 | Quest | bazhang, hey |
| 11:09.20 | abrotman | 07:04 < abrotman > Quest: you'll have to ask bashton why they support what they support and/or if wheezy would actually be supported |
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| 11:09.54 | Quest | ok |
| 11:10.11 | Quest | and why just 26 seeders for debian torent |
| 11:10.23 | bazhang | they get the netinstall |
| 11:10.24 | Quest | isnt it strange. iam getting slow speed |
| 11:10.35 | Quest | net install? |
| 11:10.38 | bazhang | very few want the live cd |
| 11:10.51 | ompaul | !netinstall |
| 11:10.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 11:11.04 | Quest | 1. i hope i can install debian with a live cd too? |
| 11:11.21 | abrotman | yes .. but the netinst will likely download more quickly |
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| 11:11.41 | cjae | does debian make use of nouveau out of the box |
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| 11:12.00 | Quest | abrotman, np. does debian has an LTS? |
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| 11:12.07 | abrotman | Quest: nope |
| 11:12.09 | Quest | bazhang, you were in ubuntu iirc |
| 11:12.20 | abrotman | Quest: generally Debian releases are supported for three years |
| 11:12.24 | Quest | abrotman, theres no need ? why no lts? |
| 11:12.30 | alonzoh | Debian doesn't need an LTS, because it has a stable branch =P |
| 11:12.33 | Quest | abrotman, what happens after 3 years? |
| 11:12.43 | Quest | alonzoh, hm |
| 11:12.44 | abrotman | Quest: it's archived, EoLed |
| 11:12.50 | alonzoh | after 3 years, you will have figured out how to update your system |
| 11:12.52 | alonzoh | or not |
| 11:13.02 | Quest | abrotman, so after 3 years. no updates? |
| 11:13.16 | abrotman | Quest: seems that's the plan |
| 11:13.17 | bazhang | this stuff is really well documented quest in the debian docs |
| 11:13.26 | Quest | abrotman, so after 3 years. no updates from debian ? |
| 11:13.32 | Quest | ok |
| 11:13.34 | patter | debian stable's more stable is less likely to break than other commercial releases |
| 11:13.44 | Quest | bazhang, i wont be having further questions. so didnt read docs. |
| 11:13.58 | patter | after 3 years, you can get the next stable release, and without reinstalling from cd :) |
| 11:14.01 | alonzoh | if you actually make no updates in 3 years, you don't deserve to update =P |
| 11:14.04 | Quest | patter, hm |
| 11:14.11 | bazhang | Quest, they even have a wiki for this sort of Very basic question |
| 11:14.41 | Quest | bazhang, which one do you like. as i saw you in ubuntu and debain now too |
| 11:14.53 | bazhang | Quest, debian |
| 11:14.59 | bazhang | not debain |
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| 11:15.38 | bazhang | Quest, thats an issue for #debian-offtopic |
| 11:15.46 | Quest | ok |
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| 11:19.24 | Ritzton | TomasCZ: maybe I have found what was the problem, I have to wait to see "As things didn't turn out as expected, I rolled back to my old configuration, deleted all traces of amavis/spamassassin/clamav from my system, and yet I was still receiving those warning messages, even after restarting postfix. It turned out I had a few e-mails on postfix's queue, which were added while the smtp-amavis |
| 11:19.24 | Ritzton | transport was active. After I deleted those e-mails from the queue, the warning messages were gone. " |
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| 11:27.46 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
| 11:28.12 | TomasCZ | Ritzton, hehh, that would be probably last place I would look to when helping like this. mail queue is a bi** |
| 11:28.53 | alonzoh | hi there dury |
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| 11:30.44 | dury | radeon Xpress 110 is there a way to configure the driver for wheezy?, alonzoh |
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| 11:31.23 | alonzoh | if you can configure it for any version of any distro, yes |
| 11:32.23 | dury | alonzoh: would you please help me to do that? |
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| 11:33.20 | alonzoh | dury: start with http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 11:37.36 | mumpitzel | dury: the radeon driver. should work out of the box in debian already |
| 11:38.28 | dury | my gnome 3 doesn't behave as in http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ |
| 11:38.58 | mumpitzel | so how does it behave? |
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| 11:39.05 | mumpitzel | check your Xorg.0.log |
| 11:39.08 | alonzoh | in which URI does it behave? |
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| 11:39.50 | dury | I mean doesn't have the features as in the image in this url http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ |
| 11:39.54 | AlexLikeRock | tanks i doit |
| 11:40.18 | AlexLikeRock | i dont remember the nam , but ㅅ무ㅏ ㅛㅐㅕ |
| 11:40.40 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:40.55 | AlexLikeRock | work with ibus |
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| 11:41.40 | alonzoh | dury: which ones are missing? |
| 11:41.48 | dury | mumpitzel: would you please help me what to do to configure the most out of gnome 3? |
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| 11:42.28 | dury | no activities menu |
| 11:42.33 | MO_Handes | suppose I can bypass internet filtering by using localhost proxy on port 8080. suppose my pc and phone are in the same network, how can I use my phone to connect to my pc and then to localhost:8080 to bypass internet filtering with my phone? |
| 11:43.03 | dury | maybe my graphic card can't support it |
| 11:43.18 | AlexLikeRock | they are activities on the corner |
| 11:43.39 | AlexLikeRock | sure dury |
| 11:43.52 | dury | sure |
| 11:44.21 | mumpitzel | MO_Handes: use a socks or http proxy in your phone webbrowser |
| 11:44.36 | dury | I only have applications and places |
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| 11:44.41 | AlexLikeRock | bye guys , im happy |
| 11:44.59 | AlexLikeRock | it time to sleep 5:36 am |
| 11:45.08 | dury | it seems that's gnome classic then |
| 11:45.12 | AlexLikeRock | bye |
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| 11:45.56 | dury | mumpitzel: how can I solve that |
| 11:46.00 | AlexLikeRock | dury, on this pic i miss the tesktops on the rigth |
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| 11:46.09 | MO_Handes | mumpitzel, and then? what port I use to connect to my pc? |
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| 11:50.42 | dury | I got gnome 3 classic :-( |
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| 11:50.52 | mumpitzel | MO_Handes: whatever your proxy uses |
| 11:51.14 | Ritzton | I would have a question, it is possible to connect ssh, launch a process which is displaying message, to quit without stopping the process and to reconnect again and to attach to this process to see again the messages ? |
| 11:51.28 | mumpitzel | dury: check glxinfo output, the files Xorg.0.log and ~/xsession-errors |
| 11:51.53 | mumpitzel | Ritzton: yes, you can use nohup. but it's better to use "screen" |
| 11:52.03 | dury | what's the other feature or configuration gnome3 |
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| 11:52.47 | Ritzton | mumpitzel, why screen is better ? |
| 11:53.03 | mumpitzel | more features |
| 11:53.21 | abrotman | Ritzton: using screen let's you easily rejoin your process |
| 11:53.52 | Ritzton | how to rejoin my process why nohup ? |
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| 11:54.14 | mumpitzel | you can't with nohup |
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| 11:55.21 | Ritzton | yeah so screen is the only solution ^^ |
| 11:55.25 | dury | mumpitzel: how to check those files |
| 11:56.02 | dury | mumpitzel: nano ~/xsession-errors |
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| 11:56.51 | abrotman | probably want a . in there |
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| 11:57.16 | dury | abrotman, can you drive me please |
| 11:57.25 | abrotman | ? |
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| 11:58.11 | dury | abrotman: to check glxinfo output, and the files Xorg.0.log and ~/xsession-errors |
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| 11:58.57 | mumpitzel | sorry. it's ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:03.10 | dury | mumpitzel: did "nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log" what have to do in there? |
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| 12:08.26 | gerhard_ | Hi, can someone please tell me how to work around dpkg-divert errors while upgrading debian based distros? http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.desktop.trinity.user/1015 |
| 12:08.51 | dury | can someone help me to install ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 in wheezy, please? |
| 12:09.01 | abrotman | gerhard_: ask them, their packages are broken |
| 12:09.07 | mumpitzel | !tell dury about paste |
| 12:09.14 | gerhard_ | replace /usr/sbin/dpkg-divert with /bin/echo temporarily seems a bit odd (but it helped here too). |
| 12:09.21 | mumpitzel | dury: you paste the contents to paste.debian net |
| 12:09.25 | mumpitzel | paste.debian.net |
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| 12:09.47 | Ritzton | mumpitzel> do you know why screen it only working with root on my server and not with user ? |
| 12:09.55 | dury | mumpitzel, all right |
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| 12:10.08 | abrotman | Ritzton: what's the error? |
| 12:10.15 | mumpitzel | Ritzton: no. should work with any user |
| 12:10.25 | mumpitzel | gerhard_: we do not support debian based distros |
| 12:10.56 | Ritzton | when I am doing screen with a user I have : Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 12:11.30 | gerhard_ | abrotman, So there is nothing erlse as odd workarounds, but to tell the maintainers that their packages are broken? |
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| 12:11.44 | abrotman | gerhard_: they may have workarounds, ask them |
| 12:11.57 | gerhard_ | the link shows the same issue for wheezy |
| 12:12.29 | mumpitzel | the link shows an issue for some debian based distro. not for wheezy |
| 12:12.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell gerhard_ -about trinity |
| 12:14.03 | gerhard_ | I want to discuss those issues technically independend of the distro. And the linked thread starts with "Wheezy gotchas" |
| 12:14.27 | alfatau | patter: well, so what should i do to reset configurations? thank you in advance |
| 12:14.32 | gerhard_ | Ok, I must admid that trinity is not debian, that's true... |
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| 12:14.56 | mumpitzel | gerhard_: TDE and ksmserver-trinity are not debian packages so we can't know anything about them |
| 12:15.22 | gerhard_ | mumpitzel, I wanted to ask this in general. |
| 12:15.23 | dury | mumpitzel, http://paste.debian.net/3728/ |
| 12:15.52 | gerhard_ | not particular for that package. In SID it happened to me once too. |
| 12:16.04 | dury | mumpitzel: that is what's on "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 12:16.39 | gerhard_ | Also the "workaround" did it for me. So there is no need to discuss that particular package. |
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| 12:17.22 | abrotman | gerhard_: so ask them people that create the broken packages why they don't work |
| 12:17.51 | gerhard_ | But ok, then. I'll maybe file a bugreport to the trinity maintainers. |
| 12:17.55 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 12:19.54 | mumpitzel | dury: lines 484 to 487 are the problem. I don't know why it happens tho |
| 12:21.30 | dury | mumpitzel: maybe no driver for xpress 1100 |
| 12:22.42 | mumpitzel | there is |
| 12:23.37 | ompaul | abrotman: what was the dpkg command that gave info about mariadb? |
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| 12:24.06 | abrotman | !mariadb |
| 12:24.06 | dury | mumpitzel: so? |
| 12:24.06 | dpkg | MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended to be a backward compatible drop-in replacement. Not in Debian, <ITP> in bug #565308; third-party packages are not supported in #debian. http://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | that one? |
| 12:24.52 | dury | abrotman what's your opinion? |
| 12:24.53 | ompaul | thanks |
| 12:24.56 | ompaul | abrotman: ^^ |
| 12:24.59 | abrotman | dury: about what? |
| 12:25.07 | dury | http://paste.debian.net/3728/ |
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| 12:25.59 | dury | abrotman gnome 3 doesn't work properly |
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| 12:27.24 | dury | abrotman I mean the most out I can get from gnome 3 it's only gnome 3 classic |
| 12:28.22 | abrotman | dury: did you install the radeon firmware? |
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| 12:29.16 | gerhard_ | babilen, thank you for the dpkg info tab |
| 12:29.41 | dury | abrotman: how can I do that, please... in terminal? |
| 12:30.06 | abrotman | dury: apt-cache search radeon firmware ? install the package |
| 12:30.29 | Ritzton | mumpitzel> I found out you cannot start screen after a "su user" |
| 12:30.38 | dury | abrotman: see what I can do? |
| 12:30.47 | dury | sorry |
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| 12:31.08 | abrotman | no, i can't see your screen |
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| 12:32.56 | dury | abrotman: I've typed apt-cache search radeon firmware no results |
| 12:34.39 | gerhard_ | Ritzton, Maybe here is a workaround for yyouir screen issue: http://dbadump.blogspot.de/2009/04/start-screen-after-sudo-su-to-another.html |
| 12:34.45 | dury | abrotman: I've typed apt-cache search radeon with results |
| 12:34.46 | gerhard_ | *your |
| 12:35.40 | dury | abrotman: which one exactly? |
| 12:35.41 | abrotman | dury: is there firmware? |
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| 12:36.15 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 12:36.15 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
| 12:36.43 | dury | abrotman: after typing which command apt-cache search radeon firmware ? |
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| 12:38.27 | Ritzton | gerhard> thanks I didnt know it was like that ! |
| 12:38.38 | dury | abrotman: how can I know if it's a firmware typing which command? |
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| 12:39.27 | dury | abrotman: I've just typed apt-cache search radeon |
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| 12:42.53 | dury | abrotman? |
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| 12:43.36 | abrotman | dury: i told oyu what to do .. |
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| 12:44.40 | dury | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/3734/ |
| 12:45.59 | abrotman | !tell dury about non-free |
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| 12:48.21 | mumpitzel | where is the kernel config in the /proc directory? wasn't there a file for it one time? |
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| 12:50.34 | abrotman | mumpitzel: used to be /proc/config |
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| 12:53.33 | dury | abrotman: I guess I have to add a line in /etc/apt/source.list but I don't know which one... would u please which one? |
| 12:53.54 | mumpitzel | abrotman: should have googled *shame* debian doesn't provide it in their kernels due to /boot/config* |
| 12:54.15 | mumpitzel | dury: no line, only a single word "non-free" |
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| 12:54.40 | Ritzton | what is the best way to automatically turn on the color hilighting when I open any file with vim ? |
| 12:55.15 | dury | mumpitzel, in each line? |
| 12:55.41 | Ritzton | I was thinking about an alias in bashrc, is it the proper way ? |
| 12:55.47 | patter | Ritzton: edit ~/.vimrc & add "syntax on" |
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| 12:56.45 | mumpitzel | dury: in the wheezy main line. dunno if the updates have non-free even |
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| 12:57.22 | mumpitzel | dury: seems so, on all lines, yes |
| 12:57.41 | dury | abrotman, right |
| 12:58.07 | dury | abrotman, then apt-get update correct? |
| 12:58.15 | mumpitzel | yes |
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| 12:58.41 | dury | mumpitzel, and then |
| 12:59.07 | abrotman | mumpitzel: they used to |
| 12:59.34 | dury | mumpitzel, I guess "apt-get install what? |
| 12:59.51 | dury | which package? |
| 12:59.53 | abrotman | dury: search for the package name .. this isn't rocket science |
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| 13:00.02 | abrotman | you've been told exactly how to find the package |
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| 13:00.20 | Ritzton | is it possible to tell me about portmap, nfs and inetd, what are they useful for and especially for a websever with apache and node js ? |
| 13:00.41 | abrotman | Ritzton: they have man pages |
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| 13:02.01 | Ritzton | yeah I am reading them and I was to remove those services, but I want to be sure I am not doing a mistake |
| 13:02.19 | patter | Ritzton: portmap & nfs are linked to each other |
| 13:02.49 | patter | you don't specifically need them or inetd for a pure webserver, though mail & ftp can run via inetd |
| 13:03.16 | patter | nfs is a networked filesystem, and one that's reliable on linux |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | way to let him read and learn for himself .. |
| 13:03.57 | Ritzton | 'though mail & ftp can run via inetd' ? |
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| 13:04.40 | patter | some smtp & ftp servers need it |
| 13:04.46 | caf | inetd isn't a service in itself, it's a daemon that runs other network services |
| 13:05.06 | caf | /etc/inetd.conf lists the services that your inetd is running |
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| 13:06.25 | Ritzton | caf> there is nothing inside this file in my server |
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| 13:06.45 | caf | then inetd isn't running anything on your server |
| 13:07.04 | Ritzton | I dont have ftp on my server, mail is with postfix and dovecot |
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| 13:08.54 | Ritzton | caf> ok cool then I am uninstalling it |
| 13:09.10 | Ritzton | I am not gonna let things running for nothing to let backdoor |
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| 13:10.26 | caf | if there's no services configured then it's not really a risk |
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| 13:15.08 | dury | add "non-free" in which line in wheezy in /etc/apt/source.list, then "apt-get update" then "apt-cache search radeon firm" and the result it's firmware-linux-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel |
| 13:15.48 | dury | sorry in each line |
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| 13:21.56 | dury | so hard |
| 13:22.08 | abrotman | it's really not |
| 13:22.20 | meandering | Is is possible to install debian using a small install CD and a mirror of the desired architecture/selected repositories located on a USB hard drive? |
| 13:22.40 | dury | for me it is |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | dury: read some of the basic docs |
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| 13:22.59 | beardy | meandering: Yes. |
| 13:23.04 | beardy | !ig dury |
| 13:23.15 | mumpitzel | meandering: why not install from usb directly? |
| 13:23.17 | beardy | !ig meandering |
| 13:23.19 | beardy | I mean. |
| 13:23.25 | abrotman | !tell meandering about ig |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | that? |
| 13:23.29 | abrotman | :) |
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| 13:23.39 | dury | no time to read |
| 13:23.41 | beardy | Mhmm. |
| 13:23.49 | abrotman | dury: maybe if you spent less time on IRC? |
| 13:24.04 | dury | need solution straight |
| 13:24.06 | abrotman | dury: but now that we know you're not interested in learning, you will probably get less quality help |
| 13:24.10 | abrotman | good luck |
| 13:24.27 | beardy | !hurry dury |
| 13:24.49 | beardy | Guess I've lost it. |
| 13:25.16 | abrotman | !hurry |
| 13:25.16 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 13:25.22 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 13:25.33 | dury | I'm interested in learning |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | wonders if someone edited that |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | !tell dury about grounding |
| 13:25.42 | abrotman | !tell dury about ig |
| 13:25.44 | abrotman | !tell dury about fish |
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| 13:27.11 | beardy | dury: You repeatedly said /etc/apt/source.list it's /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:27.20 | beardy | dury: Was there an actual question? |
| 13:28.19 | dury | beardy: sorry if I said that I didn't mean that |
| 13:28.21 | mumpitzel | yes. "please hold my hand and do my work for me" |
| 13:28.59 | beardy | !non-free |
| 13:29.00 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:29.05 | beardy | !search |
| 13:29.05 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 13:29.41 | beardy | You can /msg dpkg and ask about the topics above. |
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| 13:41.40 | meandering | thank you |
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| 13:53.02 | liUms | Hi |
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| 13:55.13 | Nothing4You | hey there, is it normal that libfam0 conflicts with gamin, libgamin0, python-gamin? i just tried to install fail2ban which depended on the later ones but there are other packages on my system depending on libfam0 |
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| 13:59.51 | anddam | Nothing4You: it happened to me yesterday as well, I just went with aptitude solution, removed libfam and kept gamin |
| 14:00.25 | Nothing4You | lighttpd and another package require libfam though, won't that harm them? |
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| 14:01.43 | themill | ,provides libgamin0 |
| 14:01.44 | judd | Package libgamin0 in wheezy/i386 provides: libfam0, libfam0c102. |
| 14:02.08 | themill | Nothing4You: ^^ the gamin packages can behave as fam packages for you |
| 14:02.35 | Nothing4You | ok, thanks |
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| 14:17.26 | zagabar | hello. i've set up my debian server as an ad hoc wifi network to share its cable internet with my laptops. the laptops have debian and it seems like on neither, i can't get a higher download speed than 100kb/s it _might_ not happen all the time but most of the time it does |
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| 14:17.42 | zagabar | is there some configs for caps or anything that i've missed? |
| 14:17.51 | zagabar | i've tried googling but didn't really find anything |
| 14:18.16 | Roenie | 100kb or 100kB? |
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| 14:19.00 | zagabar | Roenie: 100kB |
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| 14:19.06 | mumpitzel | Roenie: either is bad for a 802.11g network |
| 14:19.19 | Roenie | i know mumpitzel |
| 14:19.40 | zagabar | i get much higher speed if i connect to the second wifi, delivered by a netgear router |
| 14:19.47 | zagabar | then i get like, 2mb/s |
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| 14:20.26 | jqvillanova | Sorry for the huge paragraph, my partition and lvm layout looks like this http://ix.io/5Bl, my question are a) if i want to remove lvroot and set a normal root partition, then reduce by 20Gb sdh1 from the volume group to allocate the normal root partition? b) if i just remove the lvm setup is possible to recover -easily- the data stored in lvhome? |
| 14:20.28 | ompaul | zagabar: lshw put into http://paste.debian.net please |
| 14:20.30 | zagabar | and the server and the router are connected to one static IP each from the wall socket, with 100mbit internet delivered |
| 14:21.19 | jqvillanova | Sorry for the huge paragraph, my partition and lvm layout looks like this http://ix.io/5Bl, my question are a) if i want to remove lvroot and set a normal root partition, then reduce by 20Gb sdh1 from the volume group to allocate the normal root partition? b) if i just remove the lvm setup is possible to recover -easily- the data stored in lvhome? |
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| 14:23.36 | zagabar | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/3747/ here you go. this is of the server, providing the ad hoc network |
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| 14:26.11 | ompaul | zagabar: there is a non java program called jnettop have a look at it and see if it shows anything - after that I'm going to suggest mtu may be your issue |
| 14:26.53 | Rootert | I am experiencing issues with packets routed through a site-to-site VPN tunnel. This started happening when I upgraded my machines to Wheezy last monday, and it also seems to happen on a fresh Wheezy machine (http://pastebin.com/vgzYRJmV). On a fresh Squeeze machine (http://pastebin.com/x6aiCebW), everything is fine though. Any idea what may be causing this? |
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| 14:27.25 | ompaul | Rootert: what kind of VPN software? |
| 14:27.49 | Rootert | ompaul: Both ends are pfSense gateways, using an IPsec tunnel |
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| 14:28.08 | zagabar | ompaul: alright i'll check that out thanks. |
| 14:29.03 | ompaul | Rootert: ah, I've no idea about that, I can say my multi site OpenVPN gateways converted to wheezy with zero issues. pop on that jnettop and have a look at what packets go where and wonder about MTU settings if you reset stuff |
| 14:29.21 | xand | From 192.168.150.253: icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 192.168.69.1) |
| 14:29.23 | xand | that looks a bit odd. |
| 14:29.49 | msn | iam having an odd problem when i connect the ethernet cable to my laptop directlly the eth0 link comesup but when connecting to a switch itkeeps sayinglink isnot ready |
| 14:29.49 | zagabar | ompaul: so what am i looking for exactly in jnettop? |
| 14:29.53 | caf | Rootert: should your netmask on eth0 be 255.255.0.0/ |
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| 14:29.55 | caf | ? |
| 14:29.59 | Rootert | xand: 192.168.150.253 is the gateway on this end, while 192.168.69.1 is the gateway at the remote end |
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| 14:30.13 | Rootert | caf: could it really be such a stupid mistake... let me check :) |
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| 14:31.14 | ompaul | zagabar: watch the flow, you will see cumulative totals what kind of per second split you are getting to the two wireless boxes across the network and what traffic is going where - look for something that is doing what you don't expect |
| 14:31.16 | Rootert | caf: where did you find 255.255.0.0? |
| 14:31.17 | caf | the redirect to "new nexthop: 192.168.69.1" means that your gateway at 192.168.150.253 believes that 192.168.69.1 is directly attached to your source host |
| 14:31.36 | xand | Rootert: yes, but your gw is telling your machine to talk to it directly |
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| 14:31.41 | xand | and that's unlikely to work... |
| 14:31.42 | ompaul | zagabar: jnettop -i eth0 for a start see where the data going to the outside world is |
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| 14:31.48 | xand | what caf said |
| 14:31.55 | caf | if you have an address of 192.168.150.253 and 192.168.69.1 is directly attached, then it means your netmask is wider than 255.255.255.0 |
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| 14:31.58 | ompaul | zagabar: wget a large file from the server across one of the wireless lines |
| 14:32.11 | zagabar | ompaul: okay, cool, cheers! :) |
| 14:32.16 | ompaul | zagabar: or scp or something |
| 14:32.26 | Rootert | well it's local to the gateway |
| 14:32.35 | xand | something is wrong there |
| 14:32.42 | ompaul | zagabar: basically you have tools so something should get your attention - which you can then rule in or out |
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| 14:33.05 | xand | Rootert: I would say the problem lies on the gateway machine |
| 14:33.16 | Rootert | so that would mean it is just plain coincidence that a squeeze machine works, but a wheezy machine doesnt? |
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| 14:33.28 | caf | it might be the older kernel in squeeze is less picky |
| 14:33.34 | zagabar | ompaul: yep |
| 14:33.37 | dury | gessss did my best :-( |
| 14:33.49 | Rootert | ah ok, I'm gonna verify the gateway settings then |
| 14:33.51 | gathotkaca | hi, I'm using KDE, tracking sid, and just reboot from my big dist-upgrade.. I think its great, but I get that "nice" synaptic look. Maybe something about gtk-qt thing? but i cant find it. Firefox and Libreoffice looks fine tho |
| 14:33.54 | xand | Rootert: how are thinks physically connected? |
| 14:33.57 | xand | *things |
| 14:34.20 | Rootert | the both debian machines are virtual machines, connected to my gateway |
| 14:34.22 | caf | my guess would be that the gateway incorrectly has proxy arp turned on |
| 14:34.27 | xand | does the gateway have 192.168.150.253 and 192.168.69.1 on different interfaces? |
| 14:34.32 | xand | err |
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| 14:34.55 | Rootert | the gateway has 192.168.69.0/24 on its site-to-site vpn tunnel |
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| 14:35.31 | xand | Rootert: check the subnet mask for 192.168.150.253 on the router |
| 14:35.37 | dury | can't configure properly my gnome 3 desktop because of my graphic card ati radeon xpress 1100 |
| 14:36.03 | Rootert | xand: it's /24 as expected |
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| 14:36.57 | xand | Rootert: because the router seems to think 192.168.69.1 is directly reachable from the other network |
| 14:37.02 | mumpitzel | dury: have you installed the firmware yet? |
| 14:37.14 | dury | this is acer aspire 5051AWXMi |
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| 14:38.35 | DarkKnightCZ | anyone here has an experience with mesa 9.x in debian? |
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| 14:39.12 | Rootert | xand: Well it should be, as that is how it always worked. The gateway is setup to route packets to the 192.168.69.0/24 network through its VPN tunnel. At the moment there are no firewall restrictions on this traversel either. |
| 14:39.43 | Rootert | xand: Any packet from my 150 subnet with a destination on the 69 subnet will go through the tunnel then, if I am correct |
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| 14:40.59 | dury | mumpitzel: I'm doing my best ..... I'm not able red everything and can't solve it |
| 14:41.43 | mumpitzel | you need to learn the basics of searching for and installing packages. that's all you need to know to solve your problem |
| 14:41.53 | Rootert | xand: The weirdest thing is, it really is only happening on wheezy machines. Squeeze, Ubuntu, Mac and even Windows machines seem to have no problem with it.\ |
| 14:42.13 | xand | hm |
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| 14:43.49 | zagabar | ompaul: i saw in jnettop that when i wget a file from the server using the internal network, the whole network does not transfer faster than 100kB/s, so if i start two transfers, one is really slow. but the server can download just fine from the rest of the world |
| 14:44.04 | xand | Rootert: well, I can see that it might work, but I don't think it strictly should |
| 14:44.05 | zagabar | and ifconfig says that the mtu size is 1500, for all interfaces, including eth0 and wlan0 |
| 14:44.11 | xand | someone the other day had a similar problem |
| 14:44.14 | xand | since upgrading |
| 14:44.22 | Rootert | few days ago? |
| 14:44.24 | zagabar | ompaul: could it still be mtu size even if it says it is the same for all? |
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| 14:44.28 | Rootert | that could have been me :) |
| 14:44.43 | xand | they didn't have the same setup, but their machine was trying to do the same thing |
| 14:44.46 | ompaul | zagabar: if the server is getting to the outside world on 1500 no |
| 14:44.46 | Rootert | or RagBal, he's the other end of my VPN tunnel (afk though) |
| 14:44.50 | xand | which is reach a machine outside its local subnet directly. |
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| 14:45.06 | xand | because that's what the router is telling the machine to do... |
| 14:45.15 | zagabar | ompaul: yeah, that is what i though. any other ideas on what it might be then? |
| 14:45.20 | xand | and that's not meant to work :) |
| 14:45.33 | Rootert | hmm right |
| 14:45.41 | ompaul | zagabar: insufficient driver foo for the ad-hoc |
| 14:45.48 | Rootert | what would be a more proper way to achieve such a transparent site-to-site vpn then? |
| 14:46.02 | Alamo777 | Hey guys where i can learn how to work with netcat on debian? or some manual with ticks and tips with netcat? |
| 14:46.03 | ompaul | zagabar: something about the stack that doesn't make it nice for it to be ad-hoc |
| 14:46.41 | xand | Rootert: can you give the output of "ip route" and "ip -4 addr" from the router? |
| 14:46.54 | Rootert | xand: sure, a sec.. |
| 14:47.11 | Ritzton | I am wondering if it is normal after I installed backup-manager that no cron was created in cron.daily ? |
| 14:47.12 | ompaul | Alamo777: zagabar http://www.sans.org/security-resources/sec560/netcat_cheat_sheet_v1.pdf |
| 14:47.38 | Rootert | xand: lol, "ip: Command not found" |
| 14:47.41 | Alamo777 | ompaul, thank you so much my friend! |
| 14:47.45 | Rootert | xand: that's not what you for looking for though :P |
| 14:47.48 | xand | Rootert: what os is it running? |
| 14:48.00 | Rootert | xand: It's based on FreeBSD |
| 14:48.03 | xand | oh. |
| 14:48.04 | ompaul | zagabar: got to go away for a bit |
| 14:48.16 | Rootert | xand: not much experience with bsd boxes though, apart from Mac |
| 14:48.18 | zagabar | ompaul: will check it out. oh, and more info: i restarted the wlan0 and it is fast now for now |
| 14:48.18 | xand | netstat -rn and ifconfig |
| 14:48.23 | zagabar | but i think it is temporary |
| 14:48.29 | zagabar | ompaul: sure, cya, and thanks! |
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| 14:49.50 | Rootert | xand: there you go: http://pastebin.com/UPwsZMtf |
| 14:50.05 | Rootert | xand: quite a few interfaces though, but right now I'm focused on the 150 subnet |
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| 14:51.30 | xand | Rootert: errrr, where is the 192.168.69.1 address? |
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| 14:51.51 | ompaul | zagabar: watch your packet count on that interface |
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| 14:51.58 | ompaul | is now wandered off |
| 14:52.01 | Rootert | it's on the other side of the IPsec tunnel, not a local interface in that sense |
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| 14:52.21 | Rootert | but it is reachable through 100, 101 and 150 subnets |
| 14:52.51 | xand | errrrrrrrrr |
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| 14:53.06 | xand | that seems very odd to me |
| 14:53.14 | xand | how is the tunnel attached? |
| 14:53.31 | gathotkaca | lol, its gtk3-oxygen theme..seems like FF and libreoffice still use gtk2 and synaptic use gtk3 |
| 14:53.39 | xand | vmx3f3? |
| 14:54.24 | Rootert | the tunnel is set up over WAN |
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| 14:54.34 | Rootert | or isnt that what you meant? |
| 14:54.37 | msn | i am having an odd problem with my debian host. When i connect it to my laptop using network port directly it works just fine, but when i plug both hosts into switch it wont detect the link. I hae checked the ports, they work just fine, I have checked and replaced the cables back and forth the cable works when connected to laptop toswitch but wont work when linux to switch. The connection works |
| 14:54.37 | msn | instantly on direct connection |
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| 14:55.31 | xand | Rootert: I mean, does one of the router's interfaces correspond to the tunnel? |
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| 14:56.03 | histo | msn: bad switch? |
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| 14:56.27 | msn | he port works when i connect my ATA to it |
| 14:56.32 | Rootert | xand: no, it's a virtual interface pfSense just 'knows about'. I have no clue how that works anywhere beneath the web interface though |
| 14:56.34 | Ritzton | nobody is using backup-manager here ? |
| 14:56.47 | msn | the port works when the cable connects to laptop on that port |
| 14:56.51 | msn | or the ATA |
| 14:57.12 | histo | msn: ATA? |
| 14:57.21 | msn | SIP device |
| 14:58.16 | msn | the sip device works fine on the same port but as soon as i connect the deb host with same cable and same port nothing |
| 14:58.24 | msn | says eth0: link not ready |
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| 15:00.08 | xand | Rootert: well, I can see why the router would be issuing the ICMP redirects based on the netstat output - it says 192.168.69.0/24 is reachable via that interface, which is the one that debian machine is connected to. so it tells the debian machine to talk to .69.1 directly. but debian thinks that's not reachable. |
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| 15:00.56 | msn2 | nope no success |
| 15:01.14 | Rootert | xand: hmm ok |
| 15:01.36 | Rootert | xand: any way I can fake debian to think it is reachable? just to isolate the issue? |
| 15:01.37 | xand | Rootert: this might work: |
| 15:01.39 | xand | ip route add 192.168.69.0/24 dev eth0 |
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| 15:02.16 | Rootert | xand: still the same output unfortunately |
| 15:02.51 | Rootert | xand: the route has been added successfully though: 192.168.69.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 15:04.19 | imaami | how do i specify that dhclient should be run with the -nw (nowait) flag when an interface listed in /etc/network/interfaces as 'dhcp' if brought up |
| 15:04.22 | imaami | ? |
| 15:04.27 | xand | hmm, I dunno how to fix that. it'd probably require running tcpdump on a working machine to see what MAC address is responding to .69.1 etc |
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| 15:05.19 | imaami | other than patching the debian tools' source code with a self-hacked feature, that is? |
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| 15:07.31 | Rootert | xand: hmm ok |
| 15:08.15 | dury | apt-cache search radeon firmware ? install the package |
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| 15:08.20 | xand | Rootert: the tunnel thing seems odd to me :) |
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| 15:08.59 | Rootert | xand: hehe, yeah maybe I should revise the tunnel setup anyhow |
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| 15:09.57 | dury | I did "apt-cache search radeon firmware" as root |
| 15:10.16 | dury | nothing happens |
| 15:10.16 | Rootert | xand: any idea what would be a more proper way to achieve a transparent link between my subnets and the remote 69 subnet? |
| 15:10.29 | xand | have a tunnel that is terminated on the router |
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| 15:10.32 | zykotick9 | dury: do you have non-free repo enabled? |
| 15:10.41 | xand | with its own interface on there |
| 15:10.46 | Ritzton | does anybody know if backup-manager needs a cron task ? |
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| 15:10.47 | dury | yeah that's right |
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| 15:11.30 | dury | zykotickS: of course |
| 15:11.42 | Rootert | xand: it is terminated on the router now for as far as I can see, I just do not entirely comprehend the way pfSense handles IPsec tunnels without a dedicated interface |
| 15:11.56 | xand | oddly :) |
| 15:12.08 | Rootert | that's for sure now :) |
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| 15:12.22 | Rootert | well I will look into that then, thanks for you help |
| 15:12.27 | dury | zykotickS: so? |
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| 15:15.10 | dury | zykotickS: I have add in each line that appears wheezy in my /etc/apt/source.list "non-free" |
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| 15:15.38 | dury | then apt-get update |
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| 15:16.19 | dury | then "apt-cache search radeon firmware" as root and nothing happens |
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| 15:17.23 | dury | I have red http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 as an example .... but not success :-( |
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| 15:18.26 | dury | something it's missing that I don't know :-( |
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| 15:19.18 | qman__ | what exactly are you looking for? |
| 15:19.21 | jelly-home | !radeon firmware |
| 15:19.21 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
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| 15:23.37 | Ritzton | jelly-home> are you using backup-manager ? because I have installed it and it is written that is it supposed to create a cron job but there is nothing inside /etc/cron.daily or other folder so I am wondering if I should create it manually ? |
| 15:23.55 | jelly-home | Ritzton: no, what's that |
| 15:24.55 | Ritzton | jelly> "apt-get install backup-manager" it is an app to make backup of files and databases |
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| 15:26.01 | WormFood | I'm trying to do a network install of wheezy, but it says it can't find the firmware, and asks me to load it off removable media....so I put the firmware file on the usb memory stick, and it seems to find it, but it doesn't do anything else. It acts like it loaded no firmware. it does the same thing with or without the firmware file. Anyone have any suggestions or a fix? |
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| 15:26.02 | dury | I did install "firmware-linux-nonfree" as jelly-home suggested |
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| 15:26.24 | jelly-home | Ritzton: I use dirvish, and a disconnected md raid1 array member. |
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| 15:26.51 | Ritzton | I see |
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| 15:33.13 | jelly-home | quebre: wait until it appears on http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 15:33.36 | quebre | ok |
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| 15:34.38 | dury | back again :) |
| 15:34.50 | dury | success :-) |
| 15:34.53 | niteye | there and back again, a tale by dury baggins |
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| 15:35.09 | dury | hahahaha |
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| 15:42.29 | WormFood | I don't know what else to do. I've put the firmware file on my usb disk, and it does not complain, so i'm assuming it loads it, but it does no different than if I had no firmware file. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:43.00 | dury | have to go channel thanks indeed for your help and suggestions :-) |
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| 15:43.42 | babilen_ | WormFood: What do you mean by "it acts like it loaded no firmware" -- how does it act? |
| 15:43.48 | serafeim | I can't upgrade from 6 to 7 please help! |
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| 15:44.16 | babilen_ | serafeim: Why not? |
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| 15:45.16 | serafeim | i have no idea why not |
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| 15:46.21 | babilen | serafeim: So, you followed the instructions in http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and you run into a problem ... Which problem do you encounter? At which step exactly? Could you paste the entire apt-get output? |
| 15:46.27 | WormFood | if I provide the firmware file or not, it always acts the same way |
| 15:46.35 | babilen | WormFood: Which way is that? |
| 15:46.50 | babilen | WormFood: What did you expect to change and what happened instead? |
| 15:46.51 | WormFood | can't find my dhcp server, or any network access |
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| 15:47.08 | WormFood | I expect the network to work when I give it the firmware file it needs |
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| 15:48.00 | babilen | WormFood: From which medium do you install and how do you provide the firmware? Have you tried an image with firmware already? |
| 15:48.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell WormFood -about firmware images |
| 15:48.07 | WormFood | specifically it is looking for rtl8168e-3.fw |
| 15:48.19 | WormFood | I'm installing over the network, and I put the firmware file on usb |
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| 15:50.58 | WormFood | yeah babilen, I'm aware of the install images with firmware...in fact, I direct other people there (in the past) |
| 15:51.08 | babilen | WormFood: And it is loading the firmware? (you can check on tty4 (alt-f4) for debug messages) -- are you sure that you should be offered an address? |
| 15:51.18 | babilen | s/it is/is it/ |
| 15:51.19 | WormFood | it scrolls by too fast |
| 15:51.28 | babilen | scroll back? |
| 15:51.50 | WormFood | BUT, if I don't put in the usb, I can see it doesn't find it, then when I tell it to load it off usb, it appears t of find it |
| 15:52.07 | WormFood | so much stuff scrolls by so fast, it pushes it out of the buffer |
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| 15:52.48 | WormFood | I'm 99% sure it's loading it, as the installer continues past that point |
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| 15:53.39 | babilen | WormFood: okay, can you run dhclient manually? |
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| 15:54.59 | WormFood | ok, I was able to use scroll lock to stop it :D (almost NEVER use that key)....it says it copied the firmware file to /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/, which is where it belongs |
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| 15:55.26 | WormFood | I'm sure I can run it manually, but haven't tried |
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| 15:55.51 | babilen | would you mind? |
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| 15:57.25 | WormFood | I don't even have ifconfig in this environment...what does busybox give me for that? |
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| 15:57.57 | babilen | ip? |
| 15:59.01 | WormFood | no ip, because dhcp doesn't work |
| 15:59.08 | WormFood | manually setting an ip does no good either |
| 15:59.16 | babilen | WormFood: No, the tool is "ip" from the iproute2 package |
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| 15:59.18 | WormFood | dhcp client is just "sending discover..." |
| 15:59.55 | WormFood | ok, "ip link" gives me something |
| 16:00.06 | babilen | WormFood: You can activate an interface with "ip link set eth0 up" and bring it down with "ip link set eth0 down" (assuming it is eth0) |
| 16:00.10 | WormFood | I found the ip command before, but it looked like it was more for setting it |
| 16:00.41 | babilen | WormFood: ifconfig, route and a bunch of other commands have been deprecated by iproute2 |
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| 16:01.38 | WormFood | dhcp client still finds nothing (and obviously the network is connected and working, otherwise it would not have booted at all |
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| 16:03.26 | dwon | WormFood: FYI, rather than using Scroll Lock with careful timing, you can also just use Shift-PgUp and Shift-PgDn to look at your scroll buffer. |
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| 16:05.17 | Fidelix | Hello. How do I get ATI Drivers working on debian stable? I have an ATI Mobility 4650 |
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| 16:06.02 | dwon | !ati |
| 16:06.03 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 16:06.15 | WormFood | dwon, read what I said before. I'm well aware of how to scroll back. thanks anyways tho :P |
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| 16:06.58 | dwon | WormFood: Ah, missed that |
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| 16:08.16 | WormFood | dwon, I know, you're just trying to be helpful ;) |
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| 16:09.02 | dwon | WormFood: Yup. :) |
| 16:09.31 | WormFood | I'm gonna fight with this later. It is after midnight here, and I need to grab a shower and hit the sack |
| 16:09.34 | Fidelix | dwon: I'm not trying to install from ati.com |
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| 16:10.06 | Fidelix | dwon: and what you're saying is that having decent graphics performance is not possible in Debian stable? |
| 16:11.19 | dwon | Fidelix: Good. The factiod also mentions radeon (the free drivers) and fglrx (the proprietary drivers). I actually use the free drivers, myself. |
| 16:11.38 | serafeim | babilen: I have tried apt-get upgrade-distr but ti comes with result: 0 to upgrade |
| 16:11.51 | alfatau | hello all. after many years i came back to debian. the last version i used was woody, where to reset an application configuration (i.e. evolution) i simply deleted the ~/.evolution/ directory. Now i installed wheezy and i found many difference in gnome properties. what's the correct way to delete an application configuration? thank you for your attention. |
| 16:11.59 | Fidelix | dwon: from what I know the free drivers are not enough for what I want to do (play games) |
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| 16:12.35 | Fidelix | dwon: I really like Debian, and I had everything working just fine in Squeeze. |
| 16:12.48 | dwon | Fidelix: *shrug* I've played games with the free drivers. Seemed to work well enough for me. What games? |
| 16:12.51 | alfatau | is gconftool a good starting point? |
| 16:13.04 | babilen | serafeim: Please follow the information in the release notes that I gave you earlier. |
| 16:13.27 | Fidelix | Tera - Rising, CS:GO, Left 4 Dead 2... |
| 16:13.51 | serafeim | babilen: I read them but I didn't managed to upgrade. |
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| 16:14.15 | dwon | Fidelix: Those exist on Linux? Cool. Can you pastepin the output of "glxinfo"? |
| 16:14.23 | dwon | s/pastepin/pastebin/ |
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| 16:15.17 | Fidelix | dwon: http://paste2.org/enzc9dah |
| 16:15.33 | Fidelix | The first one only runs with Wine |
| 16:15.46 | dwon | "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" |
| 16:16.01 | dwon | Fidelix: Can you paste the output of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 16:17.06 | Fidelix | dwon: http://paste2.org/XgH7xY0w |
| 16:17.26 | babilen | serafeim: At which step are you now? |
| 16:18.20 | dwon | Fidelix: Wow, it's using software rendering. |
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| 16:19.30 | Fidelix | dwon: any suggestions? fglrx-legacy-drivers is installed |
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| 16:21.26 | serafeim | babilen: I added this line: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 16:21.26 | serafeim | in the sources.list and removed all the other by adding # |
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| 16:22.01 | serafeim | and now there are 352 updates |
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| 16:22.50 | serafeim | what would a correct sources.list would contain. If there is only the "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian wheezy main contrib" is it OK? |
| 16:23.00 | babilen | serafeim: A suitable sources.list for wheezy is http://paste.debian.net/3767/ (adapt that to your wishes) -- but please follow /all/ instructions in http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 16:27.18 | serafeim | may I add all this lines? I can't understand the differences |
| 16:28.10 | alfatau | ok, i tried with 'gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/evolution'. is it a correct way to reset apps settings? |
| 16:28.15 | dwon | Fidelix: Looks like fglrx-legacy-drivers is an experimental package. Maybe that's your problem. Have you tried uninstalling it and installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon, libgl1-mesa-dri, and firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 16:28.18 | dwon | !radeon |
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| 16:28.18 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 16:28.22 | dwon | !radeon firmware |
| 16:28.23 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
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| 16:29.30 | serafeim | babilen: may I add all this lines? I can't understand the differences |
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| 16:30.03 | babilen | serafeim: Yes, the sources.list I pasted is perfectly fine for wheezy. |
| 16:30.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell serafeim -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 16:31.04 | babilen | serafeim: Also ask the bot about all the things in <…> by running, for example, "/msg dpkg wheezy/updates" (for <wheezy/updates) and so on |
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| 16:33.26 | naughtysnake | Hi people. I'm new to debian and have a little doubt! I am on testing (jessie), I managed to make all my firmware requiring interfaces work with zero problem, but I see in my sources .list this: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot i386 DVD Binary-1 20130429-03:58]/ wheezy contrib main. How is that it sais that I used a Wheezy testing DVD if I downloaded the .iso from debian.org yesterday? |
| 16:33.58 | naughtysnake | shouldnt it say testing Jessie? |
| 16:34.54 | naughtysnake | * I didn't find anything on google |
| 16:34.55 | abrotman | naughtysnake: they haven't generated new ISOs yet? |
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| 16:35.07 | naughtysnake | mm I don't know? |
| 16:35.18 | naughtysnake | i mean, are you asking or telling me xD |
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| 16:36.01 | abrotman | telling you |
| 16:36.04 | abrotman | jessie is only a week old |
| 16:36.14 | abrotman | as long as your http sources point at jessie, you're okay |
| 16:36.44 | naughtysnake | what if I point them to 'testing'? ill get the same result only that it will turn into a rolling release right? |
| 16:37.03 | babilen | naughtysnake: I would also recommend to simply use the wheezy images and take it from there. On top of that: testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next over at irc.oftc.net and not here ... You might also want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 16:37.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell naughtysnake -about tum |
| 16:37.33 | abrotman | naughtysnake: you sohuld really point at 'jessie' unless you know what you're doing |
| 16:37.38 | babilen | naughtysnake: I'd recommend that setup as it allows you to pull packages from unstable if you have to (and you *will* have to) |
| 16:37.40 | abrotman | given the basic nature of your question, i'm guuessing you odn't |
| 16:38.22 | babilen | naughtysnake: But all that being said: I would recommend to use wheezy for now :) -- Running jessie will be, well, a bit tricky in the coming months. |
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| 16:38.45 | abrotman | tricky? messy! |
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| 16:38.52 | babilen | naughtysnake: Generating installers for jessie really is the last of our concerns right now .. |
| 16:38.55 | naughtysnake | thanks babilen, will do next time. abrotman, will do too. thanks |
| 16:39.04 | babilen | abrotman: I tried to wrap "total nightmare" into nicer words |
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| 16:39.41 | naughtysnake | babilen: i want to use testing because i installed stable a few days ago and had some problems i fixed in testing. dont really want to reinstall again, its a pain in the *ss |
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| 16:40.15 | naughtysnake | thanks guys, im leaving now, had some backups to restore. |
| 16:40.17 | naughtysnake | have* |
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| 16:57.38 | adc | cd 3 |
| 16:57.49 | adc | oops, wrong terminal, sorry |
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| 17:00.43 | markovh | adc: [sudo] password for adc: |
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| 17:03.30 | adc | :) |
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| 17:04.35 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
| 17:04.45 | verysoftoiletppr | I'm testing debian on a cubieboard |
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| 17:05.15 | verysoftoiletppr | it works fine with the default android, but with debian it gets cropped all around the screen |
| 17:05.20 | verysoftoiletppr | the connection is hdmi |
| 17:05.23 | verysoftoiletppr | ideas? |
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| 17:13.05 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: are the screen resolution and frequencies the same? probably it differs there somewhere |
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| 17:21.54 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel I've tried all the resolutions and frequencies available |
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| 17:22.35 | katirzinja | hmmm i need help |
| 17:22.50 | katirzinja | getting my webcam to work on debian squeezy |
| 17:22.56 | katirzinja | if its even possible... |
| 17:22.59 | katirzinja | anyone around? |
| 17:23.22 | mumpitzel | katirzinja: just ask |
| 17:23.25 | katirzinja | did lspci but have no idea which line is the webcam >.>< |
| 17:23.30 | katirzinja | /home/katirzinja# lspci |
| 17:23.30 | katirzinja | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 02) |
| 17:23.30 | katirzinja | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 17:23.30 | katirzinja | 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06) |
| 17:23.30 | katirzinja | 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 05) |
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| 17:23.43 | katirzinja | 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev a5) |
| 17:23.45 | katirzinja | 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 5 Series Chipset LPC Interface Controller (rev 05) |
| 17:23.47 | katirzinja | 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 4 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 05) |
| 17:23.50 | katirzinja | 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SMBus Controller (rev 05) |
| 17:23.50 | mumpitzel | katirzinja: STOP! |
| 17:23.54 | katirzinja | 00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Thermal Subsystem (rev 05) |
| 17:23.57 | katirzinja | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 01) |
| 17:23.59 | katirzinja | 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) |
| 17:24.01 | katirzinja | ff:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture Generic Non-core Registers (rev 02) |
| 17:24.04 | katirzinja | ff:00.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture System Address Decoder (rev 02) |
| 17:24.07 | katirzinja | ff:02.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Link 0 (rev 02) |
| 17:24.09 | katirzinja | ff:02.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Physical 0 (rev 02) |
| 17:24.11 | katirzinja | ff:02.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02) |
| 17:24.13 | katirzinja | ff:02.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02) |
| 17:24.14 | mumpitzel | katirzinja: STOP! |
| 17:24.15 | katirzinja | oops |
| 17:24.17 | katirzinja | sry i'm a lil bit drunk |
| 17:24.26 | mumpitzel | then come back when you are sober. |
| 17:24.38 | imaami | "a lil bit" |
| 17:25.08 | verysoftoiletppr | katirzinja that's a lesson you will learn the hard way |
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| 17:28.59 | foubarre | hello. I am looking into RW mounting of disk images, but on arm. vdfuse is X86 only so vdi is unfortunatly not possible, at least using the virtualbox packages. Any hint? |
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| 17:30.05 | antihero | hey |
| 17:30.10 | antihero | I want to run a bitorrent tracker |
| 17:30.13 | antihero | on debian |
| 17:30.16 | antihero | opentracker looks good |
| 17:30.21 | antihero | but I don't see a package :( |
| 17:30.40 | DarkKnightCZ1 | anyone here with experience with mesa 9.x on debian? |
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| 17:33.14 | ompaul | antihero: apt-cache search torrent and check out what you can do without effort |
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| 17:52.40 | Fidelix | dwon: thanks for the tip up there |
| 17:52.45 | Fidelix | I'll try it |
| 17:52.55 | dwon | Fidelix: np. good luck :) |
| 17:53.09 | Fidelix | dwon: but these are the open source drivers, no? |
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| 17:55.21 | dwon | Fidelix: Yes. "radeon" is the open-source driver. "fglrx" is not. |
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| 18:02.55 | petn-randall | DarkKnightCZ1: Ask your question, unless you're doing a survey. |
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| 18:06.19 | DarkKnightCZ1 | petn-randall: ok, so i've succesfully compiled mesa 9.x on debian, but glxinfo still shows old version... i guess its because wrong path (autoconf set it to /usr/local/lib), so, how can i compile mesa 9.x and install it into debian so it will work? |
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| 18:09.45 | lgp171188 | Did a dist-upgrade to testing and find that booting with splash screen enabled (plymouth) results in a hung plymouth during boot. Disabling splash screen and quiet from the grub parameters boots into gdm3 fine. What could be the issue here? When I was on wheezy till a few days after release, it used to work fine with this issue happening occasionally. But on testing it does happen every single time. Didn't notice any plymouth upgr |
| 18:10.15 | petn-randall | lgp171188: Testing is supported in #debian-next. |
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| 18:10.27 | alfatau | hello, is there same good reason why none of the gedit plugins can be configured through the "preferences" button (which is disabled). I'd like to change the background/foreground of the terminal plugin, can you help me? |
| 18:10.49 | truexfan81 | lgp171188: welcome to post-release testing :) |
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| 18:11.30 | lgp171188 | petn-randall: I understand that, but I faced this issue in wheezy as well but rarely. So wanted to know if somebody else has faced a similar issue as well. |
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| 18:13.48 | petn-randall | DarkKnightCZ1: glxinfo is part of mesa-utils, you'll have to compile that against your new libraries. May I ask why you want to install mesa 9.x? |
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| 18:19.45 | DarkKnightCZ1 | petn-randall: well, mesa 8 is too old... it doesn't support all features, so intel graphic cards doesnt work as expected => for example games on source engine are too dark (because of some unsupported stuff) -> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/snmekobrazovkypozen2013n.png/ |
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| 18:20.51 | DarkKnightCZ1 | about mesa-utils... afaik it should show version taken from mesa, shouldn't it? i mean if things from mesa-utils use wrong mesa libraries, other apps would use the wrong version as well |
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| 18:29.17 | mark12 | hello |
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| 18:29.45 | Fidelix | Hello. The wiki instructions to install skype simply won't work: http://wiki.debian.org/skype#On_Debian_7.0 |
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| 18:30.17 | Fidelix | Can someone help me get it installed? In fact, I can't install anything that's 32bits |
| 18:30.18 | DarkKnightCZ1 | Fidelix: define "simply won't work" |
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| 18:30.34 | DarkKnightCZ1 | ok, so you have problem with 32bit on 64bits... use multiarch |
| 18:30.45 | MO_Handes | is there a way for setting a proxy for gnome-terminal? |
| 18:30.46 | Fidelix | DarkKnightCZ1: I am on multiarch, I believe. |
| 18:30.57 | Fidelix | How do I check? |
| 18:31.20 | mark12 | can someone help i recently had a problem when i use virtualbox or vmware player my connection status shows multipal connections |
| 18:31.34 | DarkKnightCZ1 | Fidelix: try dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 18:31.42 | Fidelix | DarkKnightCZ1: done that |
| 18:32.13 | DarkKnightCZ1 | Fidelix: ok, so what "dpkg -i skype-install.deb" does? |
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| 18:32.43 | Fidelix | DarkKnightCZ1: it fails due to several dependencies. |
| 18:32.50 | DarkKnightCZ | pastebin it |
| 18:32.52 | Fidelix | But apt-get -f install simply removes it |
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| 18:33.12 | mark12 | anyone get my question? |
| 18:33.13 | jelly-home | Fidelix: have you done an "apt-get update" after adding the i386 architecture? |
| 18:33.22 | Fidelix | jelly-home: |
| 18:33.24 | Fidelix | yes |
| 18:33.41 | Fidelix | DarkKnightCZ: http://paste2.org/JnP8azwW |
| 18:34.47 | jelly-home | mark12: your question got thru, but apparently noone active at present has anythin to comment |
| 18:34.49 | DarkKnightCZ | Fidelix: try apt-get install libqtwebkit4:i386 |
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| 18:35.33 | DarkKnightCZ | and then install it again |
| 18:35.45 | mark12 | ok |
| 18:35.56 | Fidelix | DarkKnightCZ: it fails: http://paste2.org/jP2LzGJX |
| 18:36.15 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 18:36.16 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 18:36.28 | MO_Handes | any idea for how to use gnome-terminal with a http proxy? |
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| 18:36.37 | jelly-home | Fidelix: use that in your pastes from now on, please |
| 18:36.47 | Fidelix | jelly-home: impossible not to recognize these errors. But I will. |
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| 18:37.05 | DarkKnightCZ | Fidelix: "If apt-get is not able to install libqtwebkit4:i386 as dependency, try with aptitude (If you know what are you doing)" |
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| 18:37.22 | jelly-home | Fidelix: what does "apt-cache policy libqtwebkit4:i386 libc6:i386" say? |
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| 18:39.20 | Fidelix | jelly-home: http://paste2.org/WID6Ij8M |
| 18:39.30 | Fidelix | DarkKnightCZ: won't work. |
| 18:39.53 | DarkKnightCZ | Fidelix: then wait for jelly-home :) |
| 18:40.07 | Fidelix | It depends on libc6:i386, and to install it, the current libc6 must be uninstalled. That means rebuilding the whole system |
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| 18:41.04 | jelly-home | Fidelix: Uninstalled? What does dpkg -l libc6\* say? |
| 18:41.54 | Fidelix | jelly-home: http://paste2.org/bUvpcYnF |
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| 18:42.29 | jelly-home | Fidelix: oh, you've been installing stuff from unstable and removed it from the sources afterwards. |
| 18:42.35 | abrotman | did he apt-get update after adding the arch? |
| 18:42.43 | Fidelix | abrotman: yes |
| 18:42.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: EVERYONE ASKS THAT |
| 18:43.02 | jelly-home | get on with the show |
| 18:43.19 | Fidelix | jelly-home: how do I revert stuff from unstable to stable? |
| 18:43.34 | jelly-home | Fidelix: not easily. /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 18:44.06 | Fidelix | jelly-home: I didn't get it |
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| 18:44.26 | jelly-home | Fidelix: type that in your client |
| 18:44.36 | Fidelix | jelly-home: oh, of course. |
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| 18:50.35 | Fidelix | jelly-home: looks like too much trouble. I'll just reinstall everything. |
| 18:50.41 | Fidelix | Thanks for the help |
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| 18:58.01 | no_gravity | Good Evening! I have a domain that is currently transitioning from one Provider to another. When I reload it repeatedly in Firefox, I sometimes get the old IP and sometimes the new. Same when I ping it. I wonder, is there some kind of "Nameserver randomization" happening? And if so - where? Is ther a better channel to ask this kind of question? |
| 19:00.02 | ompaul | no_gravity: it depends on which cache you are asking on the way to it |
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| 19:01.18 | ompaul | no_gravity: you should turn the time down on the TTL to an hour or so on the machine a couple of weeks out so you can get ready to move - then when you move you put a pointer on the old server to the new one - and only if you flush your local cache will you start using the new stuff |
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| 19:01.36 | ompaul | no_gravity: and I have to disappear |
| 19:02.13 | no_gravity | ompaul: i wonder, why ping chooses one dns in one second and the other in another? |
| 19:02.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: i was doing something else! BUT IT'S A COMMON MISTAKE! |
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| 19:03.38 | jelly-home | no buts |
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| 19:23.34 | forgotmynick | hello |
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| 19:29.17 | forgotmynick | Obviously I'd have to install user certificates, I mean certificate authority |
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| 19:32.34 | codepython777 | is there a way to put a network bandwidth quota on each user when the network usage reaches above certain threshold? |
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| 19:34.08 | codepython777 | I am hoping there is a simpler way compared to iptables quota |
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| 19:42.14 | idler420 | HELP |
| 19:42.16 | idler420 | i BROKE DEBIAN |
| 19:42.17 | idler420 | AHAHAH |
| 19:42.29 | idler420 | i placed a script in /bin/bash |
| 19:42.31 | idler420 | and now i cant log on |
| 19:42.41 | abrotman | you placed a script in a binary? |
| 19:42.51 | idler420 | it said to |
| 19:42.57 | idler420 | did i fuck up my debian |
| 19:43.01 | idler420 | im new to this |
| 19:43.06 | abrotman | what said to? |
| 19:43.11 | idler420 | it said |
| 19:43.15 | abrotman | ... |
| 19:43.30 | abrotman | you provide answers, maybe we'll get somewhere .. if you're going to be vague, you won't get much help |
| 19:43.32 | idler420 | it said the script was /bin/bash |
| 19:43.35 | idler420 | in |
| 19:43.41 | idler420 | http://pastebin.com/0VAVVEnJ |
| 19:43.42 | idler420 | tbhere |
| 19:44.09 | idler420 | did i fuck up |
| 19:44.18 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld show us whatever howto you're reading |
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| 19:44.25 | idler420 | it said |
| 19:44.31 | idler420 | ./bin/bash on the top |
| 19:44.49 | abrotman | i'm going to wait for an answer to my question of "what said" .. |
| 19:44.55 | idler420 | on the pastebin |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | !shebang |
| 19:45.08 | dpkg | it has been said that shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
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| 19:45.29 | idler420 | oh my godf |
| 19:45.30 | idler420 | wow |
| 19:45.44 | idler420 | so i fucked up |
| 19:45.47 | idler420 | i cant log on |
| 19:46.04 | idler420 | recovery mode doesnt work either |
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| 19:51.01 | ws2k3 | Hello when i try to restart my exim4 instande it says Starting MTA:/etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf: 32: trusted_users: not found |
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| 20:01.16 | yctn | Hello |
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| 20:03.49 | ws2k3 | is this normale : checking separate queue runner daemon...done (not running). |
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| 20:06.46 | ws2k3 | is this normale : checking separate queue runner daemon...done (not running). |
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| 20:07.05 | abrotman | ws2k3: stop repeating .. that's three times in four minutes |
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| 20:07.26 | MariaKeys | hello everyone. can somebody help with ssh port forwarding? i mean, anyone well-versed with ssh here? |
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| 20:09.04 | MariaKeys | basically, i am port forwarding for gmail from windows to a linux machine. machine has 2 ip addresses. Gmail always sees main IP, how can I make gmail see the secondary IP? |
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| 20:12.05 | 16SABF2G7 | hi |
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| 20:12.15 | 16SABF2G7 | do i need to edit fstab in order to mount dvd rom? |
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| 20:12.39 | ws2k3 | no you do not |
| 20:12.46 | ws2k3 | you can mount it by hand |
| 20:12.58 | ws2k3 | you need to change fstab in order to mount it allways |
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| 20:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, a DE like gnome or kde should mount it for you... which is the most convenient way |
| 20:15.27 | 16SABF2G7 | but it didnt, and i tried some commands from google and it didnt workd either |
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| 20:16.16 | 16SABF2G7 | "mount: special device /dev/dvdrom does not exist |
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| 20:16.20 | 16SABF2G7 | " this is the answer |
| 20:16.35 | patter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.32 | 16SABF2G7 | thanks it worked |
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| 20:24.45 | AimHere | Crap. Puzzle time. My Debian is borked (partly Debian's fault, probably partly mine) |
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| 20:25.00 | AimHere | ld.so.cache has been clobbered by a malformed install script (upgrading libc6) |
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| 20:26.05 | AimHere | ldconfig will fix it, but I need to be root, at the moment I've a handful of terminals, synaptic, xchat, and firefox open. Su doesn't work. Rebooting will give me a kernel panic, I think |
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| 20:26.27 | patter | does sudo work? |
| 20:26.37 | AimHere | Can't find shared libraries |
| 20:26.38 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.47 | AimHere | so no, it doesn't work |
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| 20:27.54 | patter | Quest: connection bonding |
| 20:28.07 | AimHere | I think if I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the right value, it might be able to find the libraries I need |
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| 20:28.25 | Quest | patter, by what? |
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| 20:28.50 | patter | is what its called, feed google |
| 20:28.54 | codepython777 | is there a way to put a network bandwidth quota on each user when the network usage reaches above certain threshold? (something easy to use compared to ip tables) |
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| 20:31.19 | rryoumaa | what is the advantage of a separate boot partition? |
| 20:31.40 | xand | rryoumaa: you can use LVM |
| 20:31.48 | xand | and things like whole disk encryption |
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| 20:32.21 | rryoumaa | you can't use lvm with a single root partition? |
| 20:32.33 | patter | and have '/' above cylinder 1024 |
| 20:32.54 | rryoumaa | what does that do for you? |
| 20:32.56 | xand | you can't boot from LVM |
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| 20:33.41 | mallxs | Quest: I think you need BGP for that ; |
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| 20:34.02 | Viins | Hello |
| 20:34.25 | Viins | I've a problem with PHP5, impossible to install it, is there someone to help me? |
| 20:34.35 | Quest | mallxs, whats bgp |
| 20:34.50 | Arrowmaster | Viins: describe why it wont install |
| 20:35.36 | mallxs | Quest: it is a protocol |
| 20:35.41 | Quest | k |
| 20:35.47 | Viins | Arrowmaster> I've an error : defective package |
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| 20:35.55 | roboman2444 | this is really frigging annoying |
| 20:36.08 | Viins | Even putting "apt-get install php5 --force" |
| 20:36.13 | roboman2444 | i have this script set up all working well and whatnot, but when i try to put it in a cron, it doesnt work |
| 20:36.25 | Arrowmaster | still doesnt help without the error |
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| 20:36.32 | Quest | mallxs, iam a newbie. used linux for 3 years. where to start? |
| 20:36.34 | Alamo777 | Should i install proftpd or pureftpd for webserver to upload website files to webserver? |
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| 20:37.08 | mallxs | Quest: google is your friend |
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| 20:37.27 | spreeuw | Alamo777: vsftpd is good too |
| 20:37.31 | roboman2444 | http://paste.debian.net/3799/ |
| 20:37.48 | spreeuw | but proftp has db backend possibilities for the users |
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| 20:38.09 | abrotman | Viins: show us in a pastebin |
| 20:38.11 | Alamo777 | spreeuw, did you mean pureftp has mysql db, is that what you are saying? |
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| 20:38.17 | abrotman | Alamo777: you sohuldn't use FTP at all |
| 20:38.18 | mallxs | roboman2444: try to set your paths you need in the script |
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| 20:38.28 | Alamo777 | abrotman, why? |
| 20:38.28 | roboman2444 | i did? |
| 20:38.28 | abrotman | !tell Henry1512 about root |
| 20:38.34 | abrotman | Alamo777: it's completely insecure |
| 20:38.44 | roboman2444 | OH CRAp |
| 20:38.46 | spreeuw | Alamo777: no I mean you can have virtual users in a database backend |
| 20:38.47 | roboman2444 | i set one of them |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | okay, not "completely" .. insecure enough that it shuldn't be used |
| 20:39.00 | Alamo777 | abrotman, i have about 7000 files to upload to webserver, how i can do this and use ftp in future? |
| 20:39.08 | Viins | It's in French, but well : http://pastebin.com/Afbyxeuk |
| 20:39.09 | Alamo777 | *70000 |
| 20:39.28 | spreeuw | but if you use a few normal unix users, you can use vsftpd |
| 20:39.28 | Alamo777 | abrotman, maybe temporarely install it and then remove? |
| 20:39.28 | abrotman | Alamo777: use scp or sftp |
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| 20:39.43 | spreeuw | possibly with chroot into the webdirs |
| 20:39.46 | Alamo777 | abrotman, oh, does it work with clients like filezilla? |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:40.03 | mallxs | Alamo777: you could setup un openvpn and then just mount it |
| 20:40.24 | Alamo777 | mallxs, that is interesting, i never did it before |
| 20:41.04 | Alamo777 | abrotman, what you think? sftp or vpn connection? |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | Alamo777: just tar up the 70000 files, scp/sftp them to the server, untar them on the other side .. filezilla can do this easily |
| 20:41.21 | abrotman | Alamo777: if you have ssh access, sftp is already there .. just use that |
| 20:41.52 | Alamo777 | abrotman, it is a VPS server, i have not done it yet, i have to check with them, i am just preparing |
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| 20:42.11 | patter | Viins: "aptitude install php5" might work, your main problem's php5 depends on package versions from releases which aren't in /etc/apt/sources.list . running "apt-get update" first might also help |
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| 20:42.40 | Alamo777 | abrotman, yes i have ssh access i can connect with putty to server |
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| 20:43.14 | Alamo777 | abrotman, open-ssh is installed there, i just never used sftp before |
| 20:43.26 | abrotman | Alamo777: so try with filezilla .. i think the setting is ftp over ssh |
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| 20:43.55 | patter | Alamo777: with filezilla, set port to 22 & it'll use ssh |
| 20:44.06 | Alamo777 | and no need to install ftp-server etc? only to that with ssh right? Ok i will try that, thanks! |
| 20:44.13 | Alamo777 | patter, thanks wil try it, fantastic |
| 20:44.32 | Viins | patter> It works ! Now I've http 500 ERRORS !!! :) Thank's :) |
| 20:44.36 | Alamo777 | patter, and no need to install any ftpd`s |
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| 20:45.18 | abrotman | Alamo777: right, no need for a separate ftpd |
| 20:45.29 | Alamo777 | abrotman, thank you so much guys!! |
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| 20:46.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Henry1512 about firmware netinst |
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| 20:52.29 | roboman2444 | mallxs, so... edited it and still deosnt wrok |
| 20:52.35 | roboman2444 | doesnt work |
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| 20:54.07 | abrotman | roboman2444: what's going on ? |
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| 20:55.24 | roboman2444 | not sure |
| 20:55.31 | roboman2444 | script works... but in cron it doesnt |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | can you pastebin the script |
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| 20:56.28 | roboman2444 | yes |
| 20:56.35 | roboman2444 | http://paste.debian.net/3799/ |
| 20:56.46 | roboman2444 | although the filename errors are fixed |
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| 20:57.31 | abrotman | roboman2444: eh .. i'd seriously doubt all those binaries are in your $PATH |
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| 20:58.14 | roboman2444 | oh... do i need to set them? |
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| 20:58.23 | abrotman | either use the full path, or set the PATH |
| 20:58.29 | abrotman | just a hunch |
| 20:58.36 | abrotman | also, where are you putting the script ? |
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| 20:58.54 | gloubox | yo |
| 20:59.35 | roboman2444 | /home/roboman2444/ |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | oh okiay, you're putting it in your own /var/spool/cron/roboman2444 ? |
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| 21:00.32 | roboman2444 | nope |
| 21:00.38 | roboman2444 | /home/roboman2444 |
| 21:00.43 | roboman2444 | still runs the thing |
| 21:00.45 | abrotman | then how are you running the cron task ? |
| 21:01.07 | roboman2444 | * * * * * /home/roboman2444/autowifi.sh |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | from where? |
| 21:01.16 | abrotman | where is that cron line? |
| 21:01.24 | roboman2444 | thats editing crontab -e |
| 21:01.33 | roboman2444 | the thing runs, i guess the path needs to be set |
| 21:01.35 | abrotman | so it's in /var/spool/cron/roboman2444 :) |
| 21:02.07 | roboman2444 | oh |
| 21:02.09 | Viins | Help ! Getting error 500 when install phpbb3 (final step), and the error.log files says : [warn] mod_fcgid: process 25421 graceful kill fail, sending SIGKILL |
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| 21:20.46 | [TheFlash] | is there a way to install a package from sid in stable? |
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| 21:21.53 | AimHere | TheFlash> You could probably try, but it does certianly void your warranty |
| 21:22.14 | [TheFlash] | AimHere: maybe i could try to backport it instead then? |
| 21:22.24 | AimHere | What's more, it's quite likely that the package depends on other packages which need to be upgraded too, and then you open a whole can of worms |
| 21:22.36 | [TheFlash] | AimHere: i'm running wheezy, by the way |
| 21:22.46 | [TheFlash] | AimHere: not squeeze (oldstable) |
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| 21:22.55 | AimHere | The same applies |
| 21:23.20 | AimHere | It's your computer, do what you want, and you get to keep the pieces if it breaks! |
| 21:23.31 | [TheFlash] | AimHere: do you know if there's a repository which packages compiz for wheezy? |
| 21:23.43 | AimHere | I don't know |
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| 21:23.52 | niteye | its the flash, he buys new computer in 5 seconds if it breaks |
| 21:24.21 | AimHere | Somehow, of all the operating systems TheFlash could be using, Debian Stable seems about the least likely! |
| 21:24.30 | [TheFlash] | lol |
| 21:24.43 | [TheFlash] | but it's fast! |
| 21:24.53 | [TheFlash] | as in, it runs fast |
| 21:25.37 | [TheFlash] | faster than other linux distributions i've tried |
| 21:26.10 | niteye | i like debian because they dont update often, i dont cope well with change |
| 21:27.19 | [TheFlash] | niteye: i used squeeze until today because i didn't want to give up on gnome 2 |
| 21:27.37 | [TheFlash] | niteye: i'm using the MATE desktop environment now |
| 21:28.13 | niteye | hmm i guess ill have to give it a try, i didnt want to give up on gnome2 either but i like the updates in the other packages (extra settings in virtualbox etc) |
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| 21:28.43 | [TheFlash] | niteye: there's a repository for wheezy, the website is http://mate-desktop.org |
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| 21:29.35 | ompaul | !compiz |
| 21:29.35 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Compiz is not part of the Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" release due to bug #677864. http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:30.32 | abrotman | niteye: mate is not supported here, when it breaks, you get to fix it |
| 21:30.52 | abrotman | niteye: honestly, you're better just finding something that is already in Wheezy, gnome3 or something else you like |
| 21:31.03 | [TheFlash] | niteye: that's true, it's not supported, but i confirm that i got it working |
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| 21:31.22 | niteye | i like gnome3 except that i dont have a taskbar anymore :-) |
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| 21:32.04 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: so you are going to provide 24/7 support for it for the life time of that release? |
| 21:32.21 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: for MATE? |
| 21:32.25 | ompaul | yes |
| 21:32.25 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: or compiz? |
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| 21:32.31 | ompaul | all of it here |
| 21:32.49 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: well, you can be certain i will fix it if it breaks, i simply must have gnome 2... |
| 21:33.06 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: and i will share my bug fixes with the MATE development team |
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| 21:33.33 | ompaul | if you got it working - then worksforme means I guess you get to provide all support 24/7 for it here in #debian if you are suggesting it is ok to run? |
| 21:34.06 | [TheFlash] | oh... I mean to say it works now |
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| 21:34.09 | [TheFlash] | it might break |
| 21:34.24 | [TheFlash] | due to some other changes |
| 21:35.17 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: I'm suggesting never say works for me ever ;-) |
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| 21:36.02 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: ok, i won't... |
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| 21:36.21 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 21:38.36 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: personally i think #677864 is invalid |
| 21:38.50 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: in the comments it is clear tha compiz works flawlessly |
| 21:38.51 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 677864 |
| 21:38.56 | [TheFlash] | *that |
| 21:39.00 | dpkg | #677864:S[src:compiz] compiz 0.8 should not release with wheezy (); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:57:02 UTC [] |
| 21:39.10 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: that's nice .. it's the decision of the maintainer unless someone is willing to maintian that package |
| 21:39.24 | abrotman | no one stepped up, wasn't part of the release |
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| 21:40.07 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: though i suppose tinkering is required for both compiz and mate to work |
| 21:40.43 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: and because of that, it could be considered "not fit for release" |
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| 21:41.01 | abrotman | mate still isn't part of Debian, and AIUI, isn't likely to be in Debian any time soon |
| 21:41.10 | cra1g321 | i thought compiz was no longer being developed > |
| 21:41.26 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: the problem with people saying X works in Debian when it is not in the release is that most of us here who help (although some would question my ability to do so, including me) is that we are 99% of the time not running X, I do have my own delta from Debian but I would not suggest it to anyone, I stick with the released software. It gives expected results 99.9% of the time. |
| 21:41.26 | abrotman | who knows .. |
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| 21:42.18 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i think there was a suggestion on the mailing lists to add mate to debian |
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| 21:42.36 | ompaul | The latest stable release of Compiz is 0.8.8. A C++ rewrite has been announced on 24th December 2009 and is now released as a beta version (0.9.5.x). This is a major rework of the whole project, aimed at easing future development. |
| 21:42.50 | ompaul | so it kind of died back then |
| 21:43.36 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: the response to the request by the debian developers was more than terrible, perhaps even insulting |
| 21:43.51 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: personally if someone told me to work on GNOME 3 instead i would consider it an insult |
| 21:44.36 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: so be insulted .. that's fine. or go start your own distro. Honestly, MATE is a terrible idea IMO .. if you odn't like the interface for gnome3, use something like Cinnamon |
| 21:44.40 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: you have the choice to do as you wish. Gnome project is not supporting MATE and one can see that GTK is going to make MATE go away unless someone forks that and maintains it. This is a huge job. |
| 21:45.10 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: is cinnamon included in debian? |
| 21:45.16 | ompaul | ,v cinnamon |
| 21:45.18 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.4-2; sid: 1.7.4-2 |
| 21:45.29 | [TheFlash] | oh, that's good news |
| 21:45.41 | cra1g321 | no wheezy... |
| 21:45.52 | [TheFlash] | ,v mate-core |
| 21:45.54 | judd | No package named 'mate-core' was found in i386. |
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| 21:46.39 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: MATE still isn't in Debian, just like 15 minutes ago |
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| 21:46.45 | cra1g321 | lmao |
| 21:46.53 | abrotman | cra1g321: right, Cinnamon was too new to be included in wheezy |
| 21:46.59 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: maybe i should check now? :D |
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| 21:47.43 | abrotman | wonders if jessie will have a release goal to drop gtk2 |
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| 21:48.06 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: what about xfce then? |
| 21:48.16 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: it still uses gtk2 |
| 21:48.30 | |oop | isnt cinammon a version of gtk |
| 21:48.33 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:48.41 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: it couldn't be migrated to GTK3? |
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| 21:48.55 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap/gtk3 |
| 21:48.58 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i hope it does |
| 21:49.16 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i don't mind gtk3, my problem is with gnome-shell |
| 21:49.16 | abrotman | |oop: Cinnamon is a reworking of Gnome3 to work more like Gnome2 |
| 21:49.25 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: so use Cinnamon |
| 21:50.22 | Arrowmaster | Cinnamons new file manager, Nemo, is the only one ive found that lets you choose between base10 and base2 file size suffixes |
| 21:50.41 | abrotman | (also note that Gnome3 has reintroduced the "classic mode") |
| 21:50.50 | |oop | so many file managers so little time |
| 21:51.04 | Arrowmaster | glade somebody out there isnt stuck on the 'its my design, deal with it' mentality that gnome has lately |
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| 21:51.21 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: see my comment about Classic Mode |
| 21:51.32 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: the lack of options is the biggest problem with gnome 3, the second one is the interface which requires too much clicking |
| 21:51.56 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: you're doing it wrong .. i barely touch my mouse |
| 21:52.08 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: also, it doesn't support alternative terminal emulators well |
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| 21:52.19 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: and as for options, they have the System thing, plus gnome-tweak-tool, plus all the extensions |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: dunno, i use gnome-terminal and xterm pretty well .. not sure what you mean |
| 21:52.42 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i use urxvt |
| 21:52.45 | cra1g321 | i say to hell with the DE's and just use openbox :) |
| 21:53.11 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: that doesn't tell me what doesn't work |
| 21:53.15 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: gnome 3 does not detect it |
| 21:53.26 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i have to modify gsettings manually to make it default |
| 21:53.46 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: though i had to do that with MATE too... |
| 21:53.54 | cra1g321 | ^ somethinga new user would enjoy doing ;) |
| 21:54.22 | [TheFlash] | cra1g321: though i suppose, new users don't use obscure terminal emulators :) |
| 21:54.34 | cra1g321 | true |
| 21:54.35 | abrotman | i have no idea what "does not detect it" means |
| 21:54.53 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: it's not in the list in the "Preferred Applications" dialog |
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| 21:55.14 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: oh .. eh, seems like a gconf thing .. not sure that's specific to gnome3 |
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| 21:55.23 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: though that's a minor issue... |
| 21:55.46 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: the bigger issue is the Activities menu |
| 21:56.06 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: which should be replaced by having desktop icons instead... |
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| 21:56.39 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: can you reference the bugs you filed on the gnome mailing list about these things? |
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| 21:57.01 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: uh, use the gnome-tweak-tool, it takes two seconds .. |
| 21:57.56 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: i did not file a bug report about the terminal emulator issue |
| 21:58.40 | abrotman | it's likely not really a bug |
| 21:58.42 | abrotman | more of a feature request |
| 21:58.46 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: though i should, since it's in MATE too |
| 21:58.56 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: MATE is not in Debian, no one cares about that :) |
| 21:59.24 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: why isn't it in debian? you can have it parallely installed with gnome 3 |
| 21:59.27 | ompaul | and so the circular argument gets lost in the mists of time or was that the myst of thyme |
| 21:59.33 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: you'd do better to learn how it is that apps get in that menu, then ask urxvt to have a wishlist bug to do tha taction |
| 21:59.41 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: because we already went over all the reasons |
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| 21:59.56 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: feels free to start offering to maintain it in Debian |
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| 22:00.06 | abrotman | ompaul: but they don't want it in Debian .. |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | nor shuld it be |
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| 22:00.13 | abrotman | IMO |
| 22:00.14 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: the creator of MATE already did |
| 22:00.22 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: but it was denied |
| 22:00.27 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: why? |
| 22:00.51 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: why was it denied? or why did he offer to maintain it? |
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| 22:01.05 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: why was it denied |
| 22:01.17 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: why denied? i haven't read the RFP in ages |
| 22:01.28 | cra1g321 | didnt want to maintain gnome 3 and mate, i think |
| 22:01.41 | cra1g321 | i might be getting mixed up with another DE |
| 22:02.05 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: first some developers were saying it uses obsolete libraries, and when the author responded they were getting replaced in the next version, they just said "why don't you just work on gnome 3 instead?" |
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| 22:02.19 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: I think you mean this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00532.html |
| 22:02.20 | abrotman | i can't even find an ITP or RFP for MATE anymore |
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| 22:02.38 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: it does use obsolete libraries, gtk2 is dead upstream |
| 22:02.38 | [TheFlash] | also, bug #658783 |
| 22:03.24 | [TheFlash] | they did have a point about MateConf though |
| 22:03.31 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: it breaks other things that work and are supported upstream and I already said someone needs to take ownership of gtk2 to make this thing work - |
| 22:03.43 | [TheFlash] | but it was removed in MATE 1.6, replaced with gsettings |
| 22:03.54 | abrotman | oh, it is in experimental now |
| 22:03.59 | abrotman | judd: versions mate-common |
| 22:04.05 | judd | Package: mate-common on i386 -- experimental: 1.5.2-1 |
| 22:04.05 | abrotman | well, the start of it anyway |
| 22:04.21 | abrotman | what a mess |
| 22:04.22 | [TheFlash] | interesting |
| 22:04.35 | [TheFlash] | perhaps there's hope |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | hopes not |
| 22:05.03 | [TheFlash] | though most people will use xfce anyway... |
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| 22:05.44 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: read the reply on Oct12th http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-658783-mate-desktop-environment-debian-help-209335522.html |
| 22:05.55 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: sorry 20th |
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| 22:08.14 | abrotman | feels like more and more people are giving gnome3 a second chance and liking it |
| 22:08.19 | ompaul | it basically gets to the point that the delta between mate and gnome3 is they will both break each other, so the person who wants to fork can't claim the lib names and thus has to recode all gtk2 from the ground up, ignoring the changes at opendesktop I guess also |
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| 22:10.02 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: wait, why would anyone reimplement gtk2? |
| 22:10.54 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: to not clash with the parts of gnome3 where namespace is the same |
| 22:11.09 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: there is no clash between MATE and gnome 3 |
| 22:11.13 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: start coding today you might get something done by the time jessie gets out |
| 22:11.24 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: i used both for a few minutes |
| 22:11.33 | ompaul | read the bug report again carefully |
| 22:11.44 | ompaul | once again works for me syndrome |
| 22:11.50 | ompaul | gives up and goes to bed |
| 22:11.54 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: but i said "for a few minutes" |
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| 22:12.16 | ompaul | plenty of time to test all edge cases |
| 22:12.19 | ompaul | heads off |
| 22:13.19 | [TheFlash] | also, it might be worth mentioning that GNOME is planning to remove the Classic interface |
| 22:13.36 | [TheFlash] | that actually brings up a need for MATE |
| 22:14.00 | Vicissitude | points to XFCE |
| 22:14.13 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: the one they just re-merged in 3.8 ? |
| 22:15.22 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: hmm... the gnome 3.8 classic mode does seem better |
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| 22:16.05 | ichtys | Hello all. in order to connect to a linux server behind a router- after i ssh into the router and i ssh into the linux server, how do i x11 forward from that server thru the router the the machine i am one? |
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| 22:16.32 | jimcooncat | nfs or samba over ssh or vpn, vs. sshfs ... my mind wanders |
| 22:16.46 | cra1g321 | or you could compile the inception module |
| 22:16.48 | ssbr | Hi. I'm using debian-testing and trying to build GLFW3. I get `The Xf86VidMode library and headers were not found`, but I have installed x11proto-xf86vidmode-dev. What is wrong / what do I do? |
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| 22:17.19 | jimcooncat | ichtys: ssh -Y through both connections |
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| 22:17.32 | jimcooncat | untested, just a hunch |
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| 22:18.31 | jimcooncat | I don't know if the router would have to have x-windows installed, but I wouldn't think so |
| 22:19.07 | ichtys | jimcooncat: so just "ssh -Y root@ip" and that should do it? |
| 22:19.46 | soulz | I've just installed Debian 7.0 Wheezy x86_64 with desktop XFCE. It's installed using default settings which means it's from main only. Does that mean all software is 100% free license wise? |
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| 22:20.11 | [TheFlash] | soulz: should be, Debian never includes non-free software by default |
| 22:20.25 | cra1g321 | ^ mine did |
| 22:20.35 | cra1g321 | oh wait |
| 22:20.40 | soulz | [TheFlash]: Thanks. Good to know. To break that one needs to add 'non-free' then I guess? |
| 22:20.52 | [TheFlash] | soulz: yes |
| 22:20.59 | cra1g321 | i mean the sources.list file already had contrib non-free added |
| 22:21.23 | [TheFlash] | soulz: there's a package called vrms that can check for non-free software |
| 22:21.28 | soulz | [TheFlash]: I'm very much interested in using 100% free software. I'm very impressed how well everything works so far. No issues with graphics, sound, network etc. It's amazing all that work with free software. |
| 22:21.48 | ichtys | jimcooncat: it worked when i was on the local network to ssh into the server and then x11 forward using xming. but now that i am working remotely and sshing into my router, it doesnt seem to want to forward thru my home router |
| 22:21.55 | [TheFlash] | soulz: and SWF files? :D |
| 22:22.02 | soulz | [TheFlash]: Thanks. Will have a look at that package. |
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| 22:22.33 | [TheFlash] | soulz: gnash doesn't seem to work well |
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| 22:23.02 | soulz | [TheFlash]: Yeah, youtube works well through IceWeasel using HTML5 and one could always download through youtube-dl and similar too. Some sites will not work but will try to not install Adobe stuff through non-free. |
| 22:23.57 | [TheFlash] | soulz: though you can try to install gnash and lightspark for those sites |
| 22:24.10 | [TheFlash] | soulz: in some cases it will work |
| 22:24.15 | [TheFlash] | soulz: it's better than nothing |
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| 22:24.37 | [TheFlash] | soulz: (if you need shockwave flash at all) |
| 22:25.07 | [TheFlash] | soulz: also, there are distributions like Trisquel that are specifically made to not support non-free software |
| 22:25.22 | soulz | [TheFlash]: Yep, will check out gnash indeed. I think I could live without 100% proper flash support too. Future is not flash anyways. |
| 22:26.00 | [TheFlash] | soulz: i should change my IRC nick to [TheHTML5] :) |
| 22:26.16 | rryoumaa | can you run last.fm with free software? |
| 22:26.17 | soulz | [TheFlash]: True. However, if one only installs through main it should be pretty much 100% free anyways. I do love Debian too and I've a feeling it's more stable/secure. |
| 22:26.35 | soulz | [TheFlash]: hehe, yeah :) |
| 22:27.23 | soulz | [TheFlash]: nouveau drivers for Nvidia card works really great too I think. Fast enough. |
| 22:27.27 | [TheFlash] | soulz: yes, Debian is certainly more reliable than Trisquel |
| 22:28.01 | [TheFlash] | soulz: i used to use fglrx on squeeze, but now on wheezy i just use the open source radeon driver and it provides 3D acceleration |
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| 22:28.28 | [TheFlash] | soulz: but on my laptop, there is no linux driver at all for the video card (VIA K8M890) |
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| 22:29.42 | soulz | [TheFlash]: yeah, some cards will not work indeed. It's one of those things to think about when buying a new computer. Check for proper GNU/Linux free driver support :) |
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| 22:30.09 | [TheFlash] | soulz: it gets worse... this video card only works on Vista :S |
| 22:30.21 | Henry151 | hello all |
| 22:30.27 | [TheFlash] | soulz: but i still use debian with a basic non-accelerated driver |
| 22:30.43 | Henry151 | and hello abrotman thanks for your help earlier |
| 22:31.39 | soulz | [TheFlash]: hehe, yeah :) I've not been using nouveau driver before but as far as I know it's free and has somewhat proper 3D acceleration? |
| 22:31.51 | Henry151 | unfortunately the iso you sent me a link to, with the nonfree stuff, didn't happen to include the right drivers for my wifi card |
| 22:32.09 | Trobold | where can I browse for the latest information on network administration; such as how to set up static IP address, e.g., make sure the machine uses /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:32.21 | [TheFlash] | soulz: that reminds me, the wifi card on my laptop doesn't work either (no linux driver at all) |
| 22:32.32 | [TheFlash] | soulz: so i bought a USB wifi card that works :) |
| 22:32.54 | Henry151 | and furthermore, in my laziness, I didn't check the integrity of the iso, and it was corrupted, so I now have a non-bootable laptop :D |
| 22:33.21 | Henry151 | it failed partway through with an error message about not having a kernel |
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| 22:33.46 | Henry151 | then on attempting again, it failed at the format harddrive step |
| 22:33.57 | soulz | [TheFlash]: yeah :) wifi cards is one of those things which I've heard doesn't always work well. I've installed on 2 machines and everything worked perfect which really amazed me as it's from main only. Even wifi (Alfa card) |
| 22:34.40 | [TheFlash] | what is the best video card for a linux computer? |
| 22:34.53 | [TheFlash] | i mean, computer with GNU/linux installed? |
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| 22:34.58 | Trobold | nvidia |
| 22:34.58 | Henry151 | so I pulled out my trusty ol' Dell Vostro with Windows Vista that has a shot battery (so i usually never use it because if i bump the plug it shuts off, and because it's all clogged up from doing that all the time and so runs veryslowly) |
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| 22:35.21 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: does OpenCL/CUDA/3D acceleration work with free drivers? |
| 22:35.31 | Trobold | check the latest nvidia drivers to see which card they support |
| 22:35.37 | Henry151 | and I'm redownloading, this time the official image, but the DVD size one so that I will have less need for an internet connection during install |
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| 22:35.55 | Trobold | Uummh, I don't think so, why wouldn't you use the non-free? |
| 22:36.10 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: i'd like to avoid it if it's possible |
| 22:36.24 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: i'm looking for a video card that works best with free drivers |
| 22:36.44 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: does that even exist? :D |
| 22:36.58 | Henry151 | my wifi card on the tx2500z works nicely with the wl, its a broadcom b43 |
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| 22:37.06 | Trobold | [TheFlash]: does what exist? |
| 22:37.16 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: a video card that works very well with free drivers |
| 22:37.36 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: by very well i mean fully functional |
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| 22:39.36 | Trobold | [TheFlash]: I doubt it. Not one that I'd recommend for anything anyway. radeon drivers are full of crap to my knowledge, and if we're talking about fully functional 3d accelerated card we're propably not talking about intel cards. |
| 22:39.56 | Trobold | [TheFlash]: That leaves us with nvidia, and the 3D acceleration comes with the non-free. |
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| 22:40.18 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: so nVidia then? |
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| 22:40.30 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: why not ATI with fglrx? |
| 22:40.38 | soulz | Trobold: I do think nouveau has 3D acceleration though. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 22:41.00 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: i'm currently using radeon with an integrated HD 4250, but this is a desktop, i can add a new card |
| 22:41.25 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: and i'm planning to, for GPU calculations |
| 22:42.30 | Trobold | soulz, I'd still install the proper drivers for full support. |
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| 22:42.54 | halim | hello, i'm trying to start gedit as root but it somehow doesn't work. it works perfectly normal when starting it as a normal user. here's the output: http://pastebin.com/XLX44Hm2 |
| 22:43.08 | halim | i couldn't find much on the web about this problem |
| 22:43.18 | halim | any ideas on how to solve it? |
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| 22:43.49 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: so, which of these is better: ATI + fglrx or nVidia + proprietary drivers? |
| 22:43.55 | Myrtti | halim: instead of trying to start it from the root prompt, perhaps try if gksudo gedit would be more successful? |
| 22:44.00 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: also, do the nVidia proprietary drivers contain any spyware? |
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| 22:44.14 | Myrtti | halim: or gksu |
| 22:45.43 | halim | Myrtti, it works with gksu (gedit opens the desired file) but in the shell i still get the same error message |
| 22:46.33 | halim | this is what the shelloutput looks like this time: http://pastebin.com/scVHCamd |
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| 22:46.39 | halim | should i just ignore it? |
| 22:47.02 | soulz | Trobold: Yep, goal is to use only free drivers. nouveau works very well for me on Nvidia 8800 GTX and Nvidia 295 GTX cards. Not done deep testing but my opengl engine works really well with both. |
| 22:48.17 | Myrtti | halim: in my experience, starting gui apps from root prompt or with sudo instead of gksu can have weird effects. |
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| 22:49.09 | halim | Myrtti, ok, thanks for the info and your help |
| 22:50.02 | Myrtti | halim: sorry I can't really be more of help, it might be that that is an actual problem - but yeah, it's not unheard of that things go wonky with that |
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| 22:50.45 | abrotman | Henry151: hi |
| 22:50.49 | Trobold | [TheFlash]: radeon at least used to have horrible drivers, I can't say if that's changed or not, since I've made a decision to stick with nvidia just to avoid the hustle. |
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| 22:51.07 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i have a radeon R600 video card and i installed a fresh copy of wheezy with KDE and firmware-linux-nonfree for the radeon driver but still, the computer is so damn slow; I have 8gigs of ram and a quad-core system....is there anyway to solve this issue? |
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| 22:51.11 | abrotman | Henry151: how did you burn the iso ? |
| 22:51.30 | Trobold | soulz: well, I'm forced to maximice performance, at least kind of. for now I'll just stick with the non-free |
| 22:51.44 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: what do you think about fglrx? |
| 22:52.12 | Henry151 | abrotman: i used the dd command |
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| 22:54.36 | Trobold | [TheFlash]: No idea really, all I know is they used to be very unreliable and irritating to install. |
| 22:54.51 | abrotman | Henry151: and what was the error? |
| 22:55.05 | Trobold | Anyone know of a network administration guide that'd be up-to-date ? |
| 22:55.28 | Trobold | I'd just like to set up a machine with DHCP and DNS |
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| 22:56.01 | Trobold | but anything beyond that is a plus too. |
| 22:56.54 | Henry151 | abrotman: i didn't write it down, but the first error was something to the effect of "no kernel found, continue install without kernel?" and i said no, and aborted, and restarted. The second time around it gave an error to the effect of "no version number detected" |
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| 22:57.50 | abrotman | Henry151: sounds like the image was messed |
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| 22:58.27 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: i just realized fglrx drops support for cards too fast... |
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| 22:58.36 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: my relatively new card is already obsolete... |
| 22:58.41 | Henry151 | abrotman: then i tried once more and it gave an error at the disk partitioning stage, something about the partitioning tool could not be found on the installation media |
| 22:58.44 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: nVidia it is then! |
| 22:58.45 | abrotman | that's because they give out specs to include cards in the OSS driver |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | Henry151: the manual says to use cat to copy the iso .. maybe try that ? |
| 22:59.15 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: were you talking about ATI drivers? |
| 22:59.39 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: when you said that about them helping with OSS driver development? |
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| 22:59.59 | Henry151 | abrotman: yes. but I still don't think it had the right drivers--i'm downloading the official DVD size image this time and then I will install with no network, then use the same usb key to transfer the needed drivers to the machinewith no internt |
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| 23:00.35 | Henry151 | abrotman: this time around I'm going to have to find a way to do it from windows |
| 23:01.04 | Henry151 | abrotman: since i just completely reformatted the hard drive of my only linux machine that was functional :) |
| 23:01.07 | Trobold | TheFlash, with the nvidia keeping the linux driver support up for the latest cards almost as reliably than for windows I see very little advantage to trying to survive with fglrx - even tho I just read they have been improving lately. |
| 23:01.39 | Henry151 | abrotman: but yes perhaps that caused the problem... |
| 23:02.04 | lolgnu | Henry151: NO such thing as "reformated" |
| 23:02.04 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: i plan on doing OpenCL/CUDO stuff on it, so i need a non-free driver anyway |
| 23:02.08 | [TheFlash] | *CUDA |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | lolgnu: yes, there is |
| 23:02.32 | abrotman | lolgnu: you format, then format again :) |
| 23:02.32 | lolgnu | abrotman: do share |
| 23:02.39 | [TheFlash] | Trobold: unless there is some card that does OpenCL with free drivers? |
| 23:02.47 | lolgnu | abrotman: Why would you format twice? |
| 23:02.54 | Henry151 | lolgnu: this old piece of garbage keyboard suck. |
| 23:02.59 | Henry151 | sucks* |
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| 23:03.01 | abrotman | lolgnu: you're not paying attention to what your'e doing? :) |
| 23:03.07 | lolgnu | abrotman: You don't say you rebake something if you bake two equal cakes |
| 23:03.10 | Henry151 | all the keys stick. forgive my typos |
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| 23:03.30 | abrotman | lolgnu: because they are in fact separate cakes |
| 23:03.59 | Henry151 | lolgnu: i thought you were referring to the misspelling of reformatted, not the usage of reformat vs format |
| 23:03.59 | lolgnu | abrotman: reformat has no point as the morpheme "re-" adds no bits of information |
| 23:04.08 | zykotick9 | "free software" ftw ;) |
| 23:04.25 | imaami | -curse, i re- |
| 23:04.35 | abrotman | lolgnu: is that like "resubscribing" to a magazine? |
| 23:04.39 | spreeuw | it does it means the previous state was formatted |
| 23:04.44 | Henry151 | lolgnu: i look at it as the hard drive is already formatted, so i am reformatting it. If it is completely blank already, i am only formatting. |
| 23:04.50 | spreeuw | where it could also be unformatted |
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| 23:05.16 | lolgnu | Henry151: if it was blank already it has been formated |
| 23:05.29 | Henry151 | amen |
| 23:05.31 | Henry151 | it* |
| 23:05.31 | Henry151 | but i did misspell i. |
| 23:05.46 | abrotman | lolgnu: no, you can get a drive with no formatting |
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| 23:06.18 | lolgnu | abrotman: reformat is the same action as format |
| 23:06.24 | lolgnu | it is a worthless term |
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| 23:07.52 | cogs | by default, `man man` has "man [-C" indented so that the 'm' appears beneath the final S in SYNOPSIS. how does one set it so that the 'm' appears beneath the P in SYNOPSIS? |
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| 23:08.03 | abrotman | lolgnu: see previous comment about resubscribe |
| 23:09.32 | lolgnu | abrotman: it adds an valuable piece of information |
| 23:09.38 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:09.41 | abrotman | no |
| 23:09.45 | lolgnu | yes |
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| 23:10.05 | lolgnu | a computer drive is always formated if it is in use |
| 23:10.10 | abrotman | no |
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| 23:11.06 | cogs | why not argue over "formated" vs "formatted" as well |
| 23:11.14 | abrotman | or perhaps we should define "formatted" :) |
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| 23:11.24 | abrotman | cogs: that's easy .. one is correct, the other is not |
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| 23:13.11 | abrotman | oh, we're not defining formatted? |
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| 23:17.22 | cogs | now how about my man page formatting question? |
| 23:17.43 | abrotman | formating? /me hides |
| 23:18.10 | Henry151 | i'm back... damn laptop..i don't know how i'll ever get a non-corrupt iso downloaded if every time i bump the plug the laptop hard resets |
| 23:18.32 | Henry151 | i'm downloading it through a torrent but still |
| 23:18.32 | cogs | stop bumping the plug |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | or use a battery? |
| 23:19.25 | abrotman | cogs: what question? |
| 23:19.27 | Henry151 | sigh. it's hard. I'm in a very small van, which is my home. |
| 23:19.41 | cogs | abrotman: by default, `man man` has "man [-C" indented so that the 'm' appears beneath the final S in SYNOPSIS. how does one set it so that the 'm' appears beneath the P in SYNOPSIS? |
| 23:19.49 | Henry151 | and i haven't got a good battery for it, or of course I would be using that :) |
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| 23:21.50 | abrotman | cogs: eh, seems like a tabstop thing ? |
| 23:22.50 | cogs | there's this: groff -rIN=width Set body text indentation to width. default 7.2n |
| 23:23.11 | cogs | but i don't know where in the system to add the option |
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| 23:23.26 | cogs | if that is the thing to focus on |
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| 23:30.19 | Henry151 | hmm.. this is bizare |
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| 23:31.45 | Henry151 | my usb stick that I had loaded the iso onto, i just went to reformat it, and windows seems to think it is 430kb |
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| 23:33.19 | abrotman | Henry151: OMGNOREFORMATDUH! |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | hides |
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| 23:35.07 | Henry151 | abrotman: but the reformat diaog seems to be saing it's going to reformat it to 430kb..? |
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| 23:35.21 | abrotman | Henry151: did you break the drive? |
| 23:36.13 | Henry151 | is that possible? |
| 23:36.41 | Henry151 | i right clic, then reformat, dialog pops up, it has three options: Capacity (only choice 448kb) file system, and allocation unit size |
| 23:37.21 | cogs | click format, not reformat |
| 23:37.39 | Henry151 | of course |
| 23:37.49 | Henry151 | that solved the problem thanks cogs |
| 23:38.45 | Henry151 | hmm.. so just for giggles, i hit the button and did the format, it took 3 seconds, and windows still thinks it's 448kb |
| 23:40.08 | cra1g321 | has a solution |
| 23:40.23 | Henry151 | i mean, have used this usb stick quite a bit, it's been formatted and re-formatted at least 10 times |
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| 23:40.28 | Henry151 | maybe i broke it? |
| 23:40.30 | cra1g321 | give me 2mins Henry151 and i should have a fix |
| 23:40.32 | Zharf | Henry151, check drive manager to see what windows thinks the partitions on that stick are |
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| 23:40.45 | Henry151 | cra1g321: thanks |
| 23:40.51 | Henry151 | Zharf: excellent idea |
| 23:41.07 | cra1g321 | updating my opensuse , just need to wait then reboot into windows |
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| 23:42.50 | cra1g321 | i've noticed that after using unetbootin or suse image writer that my usb drive also showed the wrong file-size on windows |
| 23:42.57 | cra1g321 | rebooting now |
| 23:43.06 | Zharf | I never had that -.- |
| 23:43.26 | cra1g321 | i think its to do with the way the images are created now for distros (just a guess) |
| 23:43.47 | Zharf | but it's probably not able to read the other partition filesystem, if there is another one :) |
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| 23:43.58 | cra1g321 | brb connect through desktop |
| 23:44.41 | Henry151 | god windows sucks so bad |
| 23:44.47 | Zharf | Henry151, meh |
| 23:44.57 | Zharf | linux sucks just as bad |
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| 23:45.28 | Zharf | it's all about the best tool for the job kind or question |
| 23:45.42 | Henry151 | well, linux sucks, but she's a pretty girl, window sucks but she's an old hag |
| 23:46.07 | Zharf | hardly, try getting into some video editing or music production on linux ;) |
| 23:46.27 | Zharf | (and that's what I do mostly!) |
| 23:46.37 | Henry151 | aha ok the disk manager knows it's a 29.82gb drive |
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| 23:46.41 | Henry151 | Reaper |
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| 23:47.11 | Henry151 | is what i use for most of my music recording and editing needs, and it is available on linux |
| 23:47.21 | Henry151 | if i remember correctly |
| 23:47.25 | Henry151 | i've never used it on linux :D |
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| 23:47.29 | Zharf | reaper works on wine, and that's just wrong, on the other hand there's absolutely no useful VSTs around |
| 23:47.39 | cra1g321 | Henry151 so this is a usb pen drive, correct ? |
| 23:47.49 | garn32 | question: I have php5, mysql, and apache2 installed via apt and phpinfo() shows that the mysql mod is there but while installed media wiki it is comlaining that there is not a mysql driver, any ideas? |
| 23:47.55 | Henry151 | yes |
| 23:48.11 | Henry151 | Zharf: good points I retract my statements |
| 23:48.38 | cra1g321 | are you windows ? |
| 23:48.47 | cra1g321 | on* |
| 23:49.58 | Henry151 | yes |
| 23:50.22 | cra1g321 | ok download this program - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml |
| 23:50.22 | Henry151 | disk manager could tell the proper size and has a different format utility than the right-click menu dialog brought up |
| 23:50.56 | cra1g321 | il be doing the same to one of my usb pen drives too, it's really simple |
| 23:51.07 | Henry151 | ahhh i just clicked format |
| 23:51.08 | Henry151 | should i have used that instead? |
| 23:51.18 | Zharf | if the format works, who cares |
| 23:51.19 | Zharf | :) |
| 23:51.26 | cra1g321 | err... see if its correct now |
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| 23:53.13 | Henry151 | it's still formatting (or reformatting :) |
| 23:53.20 | cra1g321 | ok |
| 23:53.27 | Zharf | promising |
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| 23:55.50 | Henry151 | wow... my new iso is 6.7% done.. 244mb out of 3.72gb, speeds fluctuating from 8kB/s to 300kB/s but mostly sitting at a nice slow 50kB/s |
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| 23:57.02 | Henry151 | eta 20 hours |
| 23:57.16 | cra1g321 | what are you doing ? |
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| 23:57.44 | Henry151 | downloading it |
| 23:57.46 | Henry151 | through utorrent |
| 23:57.49 | Henry151 | through the free wifi at dunkin donuts |
| 23:58.05 | cra1g321 | haha free wifi, slower than dial-up ;) |
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| 23:58.19 | dvs | that's why it's free |
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| 23:58.25 | Henry151 | or maybe the neighbors wifi that i'm stealing :D |
| 23:58.26 | Henry151 | let me check |
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| 23:58.43 | cra1g321 | LEECHER !! |
| 23:58.48 | cra1g321 | ;) |
| 23:58.49 | Henry151 | yes i'm connected to the neighbor actually, but sitting in the dunkin donuts parking lot |
| 23:59.01 | Henry151 | i used fern wifi cracker to get all the wep codes in the area :) |
| 23:59.50 | cra1g321 | sits in his warm house with his fibre optic interwebs :) |
