| 00:00.33 | cra1g321 | still formatting ? |
| 00:00.54 | Henry151 | the school around the corner has the fastest connection i've found yet, i could go park in front of them, but i just formattd the hard drive of the computer which held the keys and i never typed that one into this computer |
| 00:01.07 | Henry151 | woopdie do |
| 00:01.15 | cra1g321 | yeah schools always have good internet |
| 00:01.22 | Henry151 | yes it apears to be frozen and the disk manager is non responsive |
| 00:01.32 | Henry151 | yeah |
| 00:01.33 | cra1g321 | dont worry its windows |
| 00:01.38 | cra1g321 | its meant to do that |
| 00:01.55 | Henry151 | i've wondered if there is anywhere in nyc where you can go pay to sit somewhere and plug in to true gigabit internet |
| 00:02.27 | Henry151 | i've googled a bit and found noting |
| 00:02.29 | Henry151 | nothing* |
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| 00:02.52 | Henry151 | there is gigabit internet here, through some company i forget what it's called, but it's only available at huge expense for bigcompanies |
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| 00:03.51 | Henry151 | fibereee opticality |
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| 00:04.32 | cra1g321 | yeah i have fibre-optic |
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| 00:04.47 | Henry151 | that's hilarious |
| 00:04.47 | cra1g321 | i get.... |
| 00:04.50 | Henry151 | i'm posting that on facebook right now |
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| 00:05.12 | cra1g321 | around 40Mb down and 10Mb up |
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| 00:06.22 | Henry151 | i had 17MB down and iforgetwhat up in front of the school the other day |
| 00:06.40 | cra1g321 | haha nice |
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| 00:10.21 | Henry151 | ican't be bothered with cracking wpa unless i really need t, but wep is so quick and easy... |
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| 00:12.13 | Henry151 | the reformat is still stalled |
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| 00:12.41 | cra1g321 | fail |
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| 00:19.37 | cra1g321 | Henry151 that HP program i linked to, if your going to use it |
| 00:19.50 | cra1g321 | just right-click on it "run as administrator" |
| 00:20.01 | Henry151 | hmm... i killed the disk management tool, restarted it, it still can see that it's 29gb drive (which it says is unallocated) but when i tried to format again it gave an error that the volume is too smal |
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| 00:20.18 | Henry151 | small* |
| 00:20.20 | Henry151 | 321* |
| 00:20.22 | cra1g321 | try this program then |
| 00:20.25 | Henry151 | and i think i will use that thanks cra1g31 |
| 00:20.40 | cra1g321 | let me know when you have it opened |
| 00:23.00 | Henry151 | it's open |
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| 00:23.31 | Henry151 | hmm now to choose fat32 or nfts |
| 00:24.01 | Henry151 | ntfs* |
| 00:24.03 | cra1g321 | what size is your pen drive ? |
| 00:24.14 | cra1g321 | is it a pen drive or external HDD ? |
| 00:24.15 | Henry151 | 30gb |
| 00:24.23 | Henry151 | pen |
| 00:24.54 | cra1g321 | im not sure what you would choose, i've always used fat32 but most i have is 8GB pen drive |
| 00:25.06 | cra1g321 | i think the windows disk manager has maybe tried formatiing it to NTFS |
| 00:25.12 | Henry151 | little tiny usb stick :) with 30gb of storage |
| 00:25.17 | cra1g321 | make sure you click "Quick format" |
| 00:25.23 | Henry151 | i'm going ntfs |
| 00:25.27 | cra1g321 | i would go fat32 lol |
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| 00:26.01 | Henry151 | done |
| 00:26.19 | cra1g321 | fat32 Max volume size - 2TB |
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| 00:26.27 | cra1g321 | according to wikipedia |
| 00:26.39 | cra1g321 | so you could of gone fat32, most pen drives are fat32 |
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| 00:26.59 | Henry151 | now the next big question |
| 00:27.01 | Henry151 | oh wait |
| 00:27.11 | Henry151 | before the big question |
| 00:27.31 | Henry151 | small question, will it being ntfs make it not suitable as a boot key? |
| 00:28.00 | cra1g321 | i dont know, tbh i would switch it to fat32 |
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| 00:28.27 | cra1g321 | although i dont know if theres any major difference or issues that might occur with it being fat32 |
| 00:28.31 | cbdev | yeah, i think most pc's arent able to boot from ntfs |
| 00:28.34 | Henry151 | i'll do that now. but the big question: how do i propely burn the iso to the usb stick so it will boot, from windows? |
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| 00:29.18 | Henry151 | i'm reformatting it now |
| 00:29.20 | cra1g321 | Henry151 what iso ? |
| 00:29.20 | somiaj | Henry151: you need an iso image burner. Can't say more than that |
| 00:29.32 | somiaj | oh to a usb stick (not a cd) one second |
| 00:29.46 | cra1g321 | a linux disto or windows iso ? |
| 00:29.51 | cra1g321 | distro* |
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| 00:30.12 | Henry151 | the iso is debian |
| 00:30.14 | Henry151 | i'm running windows vista |
| 00:30.18 | cra1g321 | use unetbootin |
| 00:30.23 | cra1g321 | gets a link |
| 00:30.29 | Henry151 | *puke* |
| 00:30.41 | Henry151 | i have it alread |
| 00:30.47 | dvs | www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 00:31.00 | Henry151 | but i had heard that itdoesn't always work properly and that there are better ways |
| 00:31.11 | cra1g321 | worked fine for me 30mins ago |
| 00:31.30 | cra1g321 | always had |
| 00:31.51 | cra1g321 | bedtime for me |
| 00:31.55 | cra1g321 | night |
| 00:32.07 | somiaj | cra1g321: unetbootin sometiems makes bad images from debian .iso, I know there is somethign slightly better, but I can't seem to recall what |
| 00:32.08 | Henry151 | thanks for your help |
| 00:32.12 | Henry151 | goodnight |
| 00:32.19 | abrotman | somiaj: usb-writer or osmething like that |
| 00:32.34 | somiaj | abrotman: ahh, I was looking for a dpkg factoid with no luck |
| 00:32.35 | cra1g321 | no problem, glad i could help |
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| 00:33.40 | cra1g321 | abrotman are you thinking of this one ? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
| 00:33.50 | cra1g321 | havent used it in years |
| 00:34.19 | abrotman | maybe |
| 00:34.42 | Devastator | win32imager? |
| 00:35.02 | Devastator | opss, win32diskimager? |
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| 00:37.15 | Devastator | as a suggestion, couldn't someone create a factoid recommending a few "known to work" usb iso writers for Windows? like win32diskimager |
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| 00:37.55 | dvs | too easy |
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| 00:44.51 | Devastator | dvs too easy what? make the factoid? |
| 00:45.07 | dvs | yup |
| 00:45.12 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:45.35 | Devastator | well, they have to consider if it's valueable anyway.. |
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| 00:47.41 | abrotman | it is .. but remmeber that not everyone has a windows box to test this on |
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| 00:48.21 | dvs | the factoid should tell them to get one ! ;-) |
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| 00:49.57 | Devastator | hum.. a warning won't be enough I guess, because people may expect that official support should always work |
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| 01:02.00 | innmalint | is anyone using cairo-compmgr? i'm running into dependency errors |
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| 01:08.18 | Dewi | is unstable thawed yet? |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | Dewi: yes, but not everyone has started uploading again yet |
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| 01:09.13 | Dewi | what was that "why is package X not in release Y"? |
| 01:09.16 | Dewi | URL |
| 01:09.24 | Dewi | sorry if that's really unclear :) |
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| 01:14.06 | abrotman | !tell Dewi about why foo is not in testing |
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| 01:16.52 | Dewi | thx abrotman |
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| 01:53.47 | innmalint | i'm having a dependency issue in wheezy w/ cairo compmgr |
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| 01:59.40 | \\Mr_C\\ | how do i disable the automatic of going to desktop/gui mode at bootup? |
| 01:59.54 | dvs | !nodm |
| 01:59.55 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 02:09.44 | gmouse | \\Mr_C\\ You should remove gdm, kdm, or xdm from the startup boot sequence. |
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| 02:09.50 | gmouse | Whichever one you're using. |
| 02:10.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | where would i do that? |
| 02:10.16 | gmouse | update-rc.d will do it |
| 02:10.17 | \\Mr_C\\ | im new to this |
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| 02:10.59 | gmouse | \\Mr_C\\ It should be update-rc.d xdm disable |
| 02:11.08 | gmouse | But definitely read the man page first. |
| 02:11.14 | \\Mr_C\\ | ok, thank you |
| 02:11.23 | gmouse | Which desktop environment are you using? |
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| 02:11.37 | tobitomm | Hi |
| 02:11.39 | \\Mr_C\\ | the default that comes with the debian weezy 7 dvd |
| 02:11.47 | gmouse | Gnome? |
| 02:11.55 | \\Mr_C\\ | i dont know |
| 02:11.59 | gmouse | Hah |
| 02:12.01 | gmouse | Well, OK |
| 02:12.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | it just says debian desktop envirenment when i do the install |
| 02:12.31 | gmouse | Do one thing for me then. |
| 02:12.36 | gmouse | ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:12.46 | gmouse | And tell me if you see xdm, gdm, or kdm. |
| 02:12.48 | Heny151 | abrotman: update: my iso is 67% finished downloading :D and my download speed has miraculously increased to 800kB/s. Debian here I come. |
| 02:12.52 | gmouse | That's the one that you want to disable. |
| 02:13.02 | \\Mr_C\\ | while bunch of stuff |
| 02:13.13 | \\Mr_C\\ | whole bunch of stuff |
| 02:13.27 | gmouse | Yup. Just scan through for those three names |
| 02:13.53 | Heny151 | oh boy it jut hit 950kB/s |
| 02:13.54 | \\Mr_C\\ | gdm3 |
| 02:13.59 | \\Mr_C\\ | only one i see |
| 02:14.13 | gmouse | OK, that's the one that you want to disable, then. |
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| 02:15.57 | Heny151 | Can anybody tell me if it will be possible for me to install the normal DVD iso of Debian to a USB stick and run it live? |
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| 02:17.16 | Heny151 | thereby allowing me to boot it on my Dell Vostro which has a wifi card that will be out-of-box functioning, and then download the wl drivers I need for my b43 broadcom chipset on my HP tx2500z? |
| 02:18.27 | peterrooney | !installer firmware |
| 02:18.28 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 02:18.43 | tobitomm | I am having fun for once |
| 02:18.47 | tobitomm | Yayy |
| 02:18.54 | Heny151 | And furthermore, if I do indeed succeed in installing it to the USB, when I boot the other laptop from that USB will I be abe to then install it to hard drive? or is the install to hard drive only possible from the original ISO, and by installing Debian straight to the USB drive it will lose it's functionality as an installer? |
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| 02:19.17 | Heny151 | thanks peterrooney |
| 02:19.18 | Heny151 | but |
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| 02:19.35 | Heny151 | I have only one usb key and no cds or dvds at my disposal |
| 02:19.51 | mumpitze1 | Heny151: installing to the usb is possible too but not to a FAT usb stick. easiest is then to ues 2 sticks |
| 02:20.11 | mumpitze1 | mabye create 2 partitions, one fat, one ext2/4 |
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| 02:21.21 | peterrooney | I wonder if it's possible to have the extra installer firmware on a partition on the target hard drive. |
| 02:21.23 | abrotman | mumpitze1: why? just use one? |
| 02:21.30 | tobitomm | Or a network install one |
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| 02:22.04 | tobitomm | I am doing neato stuff it makes me happy haha |
| 02:22.58 | somiaj | peterrooney: it should be, is pointing the wheezy installer at firmware any easier (I haven't had a need to test it yet) |
| 02:23.05 | abrotman | tries to buy neato |
| 02:23.19 | tobitomm | Neato is invaluable lol |
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| 02:25.31 | tobitomm | Abrotman: ty for giving me props in the throws of my nerdom |
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| 02:27.41 | tobitomm | Netsplut ? |
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| 02:33.09 | c0nd0r | hello |
| 02:33.17 | gmouse | hi |
| 02:33.19 | c0nd0r | Well I have a couple of problems tonight |
| 02:33.29 | c0nd0r | regarding ununtu and a dual boot on mac os x |
| 02:33.46 | c0nd0r | I am conducting a usb install if you have a moment or two |
| 02:33.59 | c0nd0r | its a macbook pro |
| 02:34.04 | gmouse | An install of Ubuntu? |
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| 02:34.10 | c0nd0r | correct |
| 02:34.19 | c0nd0r | 11.04 my favoriate blend |
| 02:34.23 | gmouse | Have you tried the #ubuntu channel? |
| 02:34.37 | c0nd0r | yes I was under the impression it was vacant |
| 02:34.44 | c0nd0r | one moment while I check again |
| 02:35.00 | c0nd0r | thank you for your time. |
| 02:35.03 | gmouse | Sure thing. |
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| 02:37.15 | haziqwebs | hello.. |
| 02:37.19 | haziqwebs | anyone in here? |
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| 02:37.27 | dvs | zzzzzz |
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| 02:37.58 | ChibaPet | Just... us...chickens. |
| 02:38.09 | gmouse | Hi |
| 02:38.26 | haziqwebs | did anyone know the cheapest webhosting? |
| 02:38.34 | ChibaPet | At one point someone did. |
| 02:38.39 | gmouse | Actually, yeah. Hold on a sec. |
| 02:38.46 | haziqwebs | okay.. |
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| 02:39.02 | nkuttler | haziqwebs: 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:39.05 | gmouse | http://www.lowendbox.com/ |
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| 02:41.39 | c0nd0r | would appear they are already dead in ununtu |
| 02:41.54 | haziqwebs | thx gmouse |
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| 02:41.57 | gmouse | Welcome |
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| 02:46.03 | \\Mr_C\\ | thanks it worked |
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| 02:50.19 | ChibaPet | Hm, so, can someone remind me how to list bugs? I see some Xen security updates, and I've got both apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed, but I'm not seeing how to get aptitude or apt-get to use them. |
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| 02:51.37 | abrotman | ChibaPet: you mean to autolist them ? |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | you want to list changes? or bugs? |
| 02:51.48 | ChibaPet | Oh, maybe I need to actually tell the tool to upgrade before it'll show me the list. |
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| 02:52.03 | ChibaPet | Well, my thought was to get a list of bugs being addressed in the security update before choosing to install. |
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| 02:52.27 | abrotman | so you want the changelog to see what has been addressed |
| 02:52.33 | ChibaPet | But, now bug 476951 makes me think I need to tell aptitude to run to upgrade before I'll see things. |
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| 02:53.03 | ChibaPet | Yeah, but I wanted automation, so I see what the tool wants to upgrade. Bugs therein, being addressed. |
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| 02:53.47 | c0nd0r | http://www.pastebin.com/qdiRexyQ |
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| 02:53.57 | themill | ChibaPet: you want to configure apt-listchanges to show you the changelog as well, by the sounds of it |
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| 02:54.10 | abrotman | ChibaPet: you wan tthe apt-listchanges |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | durr .. maybe i sohuld read before i start typing |
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| 02:54.55 | ChibaPet | That sounds reasonable, but I have this vague recollection of having the things run automatically in the past. I think what I'm misremembering is how far I went before seeing the logs. |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | ChibaPet: it does .. it's somewhat annoying if you run testing/unstable with it and you're just trying to be a normal user |
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| 02:56.38 | ChibaPet | Hrm, it didn't give me a list. I guess I need to add something explicitly, somewhere. Oh well. I just ran the upgrade. I'll figure out where to explicitly invoke the things tomorrow maybe. (I'm always open to people throwing me bones, of course, but it's fairly low priority.) |
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| 02:57.35 | Ephemeris959 | hi all, ran dist-upgrade for wheezy, i think bad idea, was getting PAE errors due to old hardware, is it best to just stay on squeeze for compatiblity for my older thinkpad on pentium M |
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| 02:58.08 | ChibaPet | Ephemeris959: You can always install the newer kernel by itself and see how it goes - have old and new both in your grub config. |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | Ephemeris959: how much RAM do you have? |
| 02:58.18 | Ephemeris959 | 1gb |
| 02:58.26 | mumpitzel | Ephemeris959: install a -486 kernel |
| 02:58.38 | abrotman | hates that solution |
| 02:58.40 | ChibaPet | Ephemeris959: PAE helps you address beyond 4G on 32-bit hardware. You don't need it. |
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| 02:58.57 | mumpitzel | abrotman: what else is there? unless you know a -686 sans PAE for wheezy? |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | but the -486 won't have mmx extensions enabled |
| 02:59.06 | ChibaPet | (I've just stated something confidently, so I'll sit and await my correction.) |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | or tons of other stuff since then |
| 02:59.11 | mumpitzel | yes, but what else can you do? |
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| 02:59.19 | mumpitzel | ok, compiling your own kernel |
| 02:59.21 | Ephemeris959 | right off bat gnome 3 would not load correctly |
| 02:59.29 | Ephemeris959 | i will take advise for downgrade kernel |
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| 02:59.45 | abrotman | Ephemeris959: i might consider looking for a bios upgrade before other ideas |
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| 02:59.50 | abrotman | if available |
| 02:59.55 | mumpitzel | Ephemeris959: as abrotman wrote, the -486 kernel isn't optimized well for your CPU so your own kernel would be an improvement |
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| 03:00.18 | abrotman | mumpitzel: rolling your own ? did you miss a verb ? |
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| 03:01.02 | mumpitzel | abrotman: what else can you? compiling your own kernel. isn't compiling a verb? |
| 03:01.13 | mumpitzel | Ephemeris959: which thinkpad is it? is it a banias? |
| 03:01.22 | Ephemeris959 | t40p |
| 03:01.23 | k_sze[work] | I'm inside a directory '/srv/myapp', which is owned by a group 'foo', which in turn is one of the secondary groups I belong to. '/srv/myapp' is group writable. Why can't I mkdir a subdirectory in '/srv/myapp'? I get 'permission denied" |
| 03:01.27 | abrotman | mumpitzel: nm ... |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | runs away |
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| 03:02.35 | mumpitzel | banias, no PAE support, so new BIOS won't help |
| 03:03.14 | Ephemeris959 | Ah ok... |
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| 03:05.24 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: care to share ls -ld /srv/myapp? |
| 03:05.33 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: at least the permisions part |
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| 03:07.22 | k_sze[work] | somiaj: drwxrwxr-x |
| 03:07.34 | Ephemeris959 | mumpitzel: i can still boot to my old kernel on wheezy but does that overcome the PAE issue or is this req with wheezy? |
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| 03:08.02 | mumpitzel | the old kernel doesn't need any PAE. if it works, you're fine right now |
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| 03:08.20 | Ephemeris959 | hmm ok..will test with it more, thanks for assist |
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| 03:08.30 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: type 'groups' did you logout and back in after you added yourself to the group? |
| 03:08.46 | caf | you will want to fix the problem and move onto a wheezy kernel though, because otherwise you'll end up stuck on an old kernel which won't be receiving security updates anymore |
| 03:08.49 | ChibaPet | Being a bit dim, I just realized that my apticron gives me everything I want to know. |
| 03:09.01 | k_sze[work] | somiaj: nope, not yet... |
| 03:09.14 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: the groups command will tell you what groups you are in now, that is most likely your issue |
| 03:09.16 | caf | it is a pain that there is no 686-nopae flavour though |
| 03:09.20 | k_sze[work] | right... |
| 03:09.32 | k_sze[work] | `groups k_sze` shows me in the new group |
| 03:09.37 | k_sze[work] | but `groups` doesn't. |
| 03:11.10 | k_sze[work] | ok, now it works |
| 03:11.34 | k_sze[work] | but the newly created dir defaults to be owned by me and my primary group. |
| 03:12.12 | k_sze[work] | chown after creating the new subdirectory is the only way, right? |
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| 03:12.34 | C0nD0r | :P |
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| 03:13.08 | k_sze[work] | (I mean, mkdir doesn't take any option to create a directory directly as another user:group) |
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| 03:14.14 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: you can change your primary group (i wouldn't suggest that) so yea that is the only way I know of |
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| 03:14.39 | woalopae | now that wheezy is released, what is the name of 'testing'? |
| 03:14.44 | ChibaPet | Jessie |
| 03:14.49 | woalopae | thks. |
| 03:14.54 | dvs | 's girl |
| 03:15.09 | woalopae | that's a girl's name. |
| 03:15.21 | k_sze[work] | hmm, I can't chown. XD |
| 03:15.27 | superstraw | I wish that I had jessie's girl |
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| 03:15.40 | woalopae | how does that name come about? |
| 03:15.52 | ChibaPet | woalopae: All characters from Toy Story and sequels. |
| 03:16.00 | dvs | !++superstraw |
| 03:16.05 | woalopae | i can recall now. |
| 03:16.19 | caf | k_sze[work]: if you make /srv/myapp g+s then directories created in it will be owned by the group owner of myapp by default |
| 03:16.26 | woalopae | bye. |
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| 03:18.34 | k_sze[work] | caf: same thing with u+s, I suppose? |
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| 03:20.15 | caf | no |
| 03:21.12 | caf | i believe u+s has any effect on directories |
| 03:21.18 | caf | err i *dont'* believe |
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| 03:21.53 | k_sze[work] | Right, I just searched the debian doc |
| 03:21.56 | k_sze[work] | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_filesystem_permissions |
| 03:22.05 | k_sze[work] | doesn't mention anything about set user ID for directories. |
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| 03:26.15 | kingsley | Does the date and time format that inserts timezones between times and years have a name? For example, the timezone "MST" is after the time "06:51:18" and before the year "2013" in "Fri May 10 06:51:18 MST 2013". The "date" command recognizes this format. Does it have a name? |
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| 03:27.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey whats the app that shows me what a gi app info is? its an X app you use if to find out the names of windows in X |
| 03:27.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | dang i cant rememeber |
| 03:27.12 | kingsley | At least for me, it's the default format used by the "date" command. |
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| 03:27.28 | Henry151 | hey there again everybody |
| 03:27.49 | Henry151 | I asked a bunch of questions and then got disconnected because i bumped the power cord on my battery-less laptop again |
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| 03:28.01 | Henry151 | did i miss any answers? |
| 03:28.56 | Henry151 | or in fact, is there a simple way to access the log and/or could somebody message me the log from the last thing i said till now? |
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| 03:29.33 | superstraw | 42 |
| 03:29.50 | somiaj | Henry151: might be best to reask your question. If you want a live version of debian, check out live.debian.net |
| 03:29.59 | somiaj | Henry151: the installers will not function as a live version. |
| 03:30.06 | somiaj | (though the live versions have installers on them) |
| 03:30.17 | Henry151 | ok |
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| 03:31.49 | Henry151 | i just finished downloading iso number one from this page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ and I'm now using unetbootin to load it to the usb. Will that turn the usb into an installer, or will that install debian to the usb key? i'm confused. |
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| 03:32.27 | somiaj | Henry151: unetbootin sometimes fails on debian .iso |
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| 03:32.51 | somiaj | Henry151: usb-writer might be better quality |
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| 03:33.02 | dvs | Henry151: http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 03:33.14 | dvs | win32diskimager |
| 03:33.15 | somiaj | but since I don't use windows not sure what would be a good cat/dd replacment |
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| 03:34.03 | Henry151 | dvs: that won't work for me i don't think because my target machine currently has no operating system |
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| 03:35.30 | Henry151 | somiaj: i'm aware that unetbootin has a possbility of failure but since I already have it and it's already half done, I figure if it doesn't work then I'l try another method. But i'm still conused as to whether it's creating an install debian usb key or a boot debian usb key |
| 03:35.36 | Henry151 | confused* |
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| 03:36.55 | kingsley | I seem to have answered my own question. It's the locale's date and time. |
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| 03:37.12 | mumpitzel | Henry151: depends what you downloaded from debian.org |
| 03:37.44 | mumpitzel | Henry151: the URL you downloaded has only installers |
| 03:37.51 | Henry151 | iso number one from this page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 03:37.57 | Henry151 | ok |
| 03:37.58 | Henry151 | good |
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| 03:40.35 | Henry151 | so, I'll install that to the tx2500z.. i will have no network connection, because wifi won't work and I have no wired connection. Then I will reformat the usb key, and using this windows machine load onto it the necessary drivers to get my wifi working.Will that work? can I write to the usb key from windows in a way that I'll be able to read from it in linux? |
| 03:41.39 | Henry151 | mumpitzel: thanks for the help with that I was very mixed up for a moment because I thought unetbootin was "installing" debian to the key, which I didn't want |
| 03:42.27 | mumpitzel | Henry151: there are installers with firmware if you need them |
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| 03:42.47 | mumpitzel | you also won't need to format the usb key at usually |
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| 03:43.40 | Henry151 | hmm i had heard that and in fact my previous attempt was using an iso that was supposed to have the nonfree drivers but wifi still didn't work during the install, and then the install failed entirely because the iso was corrupt and it couldn't find the kernel |
| 03:44.10 | Henry151 | i specifically have the b43 broadcom chipset and have had success with "wl" in the past |
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| 03:46.18 | mumpitzel | ouch! |
| 03:46.33 | Henry151 | I don't have the link anymore to the specific iso but it was one that abrotman who's online in this channel now pointed me towards, but while it did have nonfree drivers I don't think it had the right ones for my wifi card |
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| 03:47.22 | Henry151 | yes, ouch, no krnel :) it was my own fault for being lazy and not verifying the iso with the md5sum |
| 03:48.34 | Henry151 | but that whole saga is why i'm now being forced to stoop so low and use windows vista *puke* *shudder* *gag* to prepare my installation media |
| 03:49.05 | Henry151 | because the failed install rendered my tx2500z o.s.-less and inoperable |
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| 03:50.14 | Henry151 | my ultimate goal is to have debian and kali dual-boot with a shared partition, with debian as my main system and kali as my secondary |
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| 03:51.09 | Henry151 | I had kali already on there but i wiped it off entirely to install debian, and i had kali on the usb stick too but wiped it off there to make room for debian |
| 03:51.47 | Henry151 | the once debian is up and running i will re-download kali and install it too. |
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| 03:52.58 | mumpitzel | Henry151: what is Kali? |
| 03:53.23 | mumpitzel | ah, another linux. it cannot work |
| 03:53.26 | Henry151 | the latest version of backtrack |
| 03:53.29 | mumpitzel | not on the same partition |
| 03:53.39 | Henry151 | no of course on a different partition |
| 03:53.52 | Henry151 | but with a shared home partition |
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| 03:55.44 | Henry151 | it's built on debian and shouldbe very compatible |
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| 04:15.11 | Rodrigo_Debian | E: Não foi possÃvel proceder à configuração imediata em 'default-jre'. Para detalhes, por favor veja man 5 apt.conf em APT::Immediate-Configure. (2) |
| 04:15.27 | Rodrigo_Debian | ? |
| 04:15.37 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 04:15.38 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 04:15.42 | nkuttler | !localized errors |
| 04:15.43 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 04:16.10 | Rodrigo_Debian | what problem ? |
| 04:16.12 | yan_ | anyone got alsa/sound in general working in a sid guest in vmware? installing alsa and running mixer isn't doing much |
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| 04:16.17 | Rodrigo_Debian | E: Não foi possÃvel proceder à configuração imediata em 'default-jre'. Para detalhes, por favor veja man 5 apt.conf em APT::Immediate-Configure. (2) |
| 04:16.20 | Rodrigo_Debian | what this ? |
| 04:16.57 | nevyn | continues to be amused at "installing alsa" today |
| 04:18.29 | themill | dpkg: tell Rodrigo_Debian about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 04:18.50 | rabbitear_sdf | use aptitude |
| 04:19.04 | rabbitear_sdf | it'll fix those |
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| 04:19.38 | rabbitear_sdf | sad, but it works.... so not so sad |
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| 04:21.45 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i have a radeon R600 video card and i installed a fresh copy of wheezy with KDE and firmware-linux-nonfree for the radeon driver but still, the computer is so damn slow; I have 8gigs of ram and a quad-core system....is there anyway to solve this issue? |
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| 04:23.25 | rabbitear_sdf | paranoidphreak: figure out why its slow |
| 04:23.39 | yan_ | what'd be the first step to debug a sound issue if i'm getting no sound but i've confirmed that my kernel module is inserted.. (es1371) |
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| 04:24.17 | superstraw | dpkg: tell superstraw about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 04:24.25 | superstraw | i'm upgrading one of my boxes as we speak. |
| 04:24.33 | rabbitear_sdf | yan_: check volume |
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| 04:25.19 | haziqwebs | anyone know how t setup the l2tp vpn? |
| 04:25.20 | rabbitear_sdf | I missed up my squeeze->wheezy upgrade, but aptitude by its lonesome, was smart enough to figure everything out for me |
| 04:25.22 | haziqwebs | in the debian.. |
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| 04:25.47 | rabbitear_sdf | which is weird, been using debian for a long time |
| 04:25.48 | yan_ | rabbitear_sdf: i did, via alsamixer |
| 04:26.04 | paranoidphreak | rabbitear_sdf: i tried running gnome 3 but it had problems of its own. sometimes no problem and other times it won't load |
| 04:26.27 | paranoidphreak | and logging on |
| 04:26.30 | yan_ | rabbitear_sdf: snd_ens1371 is part of lsmod output, (xubuntu worked, if that's any info. doing this in vmware) |
| 04:27.05 | rabbitear_sdf | yan_: never used vmware for sound before ... sorry yan_ |
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| 04:27.22 | superstraw | even though squeeze is old now, is it still relatively secure? |
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| 04:27.35 | ChibaPet | superstraw: It will continue to have security support for another year or so, yes. |
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| 04:27.49 | rabbitear_sdf | yan_: install the extra-addon host, iso? |
| 04:28.24 | superstraw | thank you ChibaPet, i'll put off on upgrading our work server for a year or so then :D |
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| 04:28.34 | rabbitear_sdf | yan_: I forget what that is called, the ISO, in vmware and virtualbox, that throws down some drivers so the os can hook onto |
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| 04:28.59 | rabbitear_sdf | yan_: addon something cd for vmware and also simular to waht virtualbox has |
| 04:29.11 | superstraw | guest-additions |
| 04:29.14 | superstraw | for virtualbox |
| 04:29.16 | rabbitear_sdf | thats it! |
| 04:29.16 | yan_ | rabbitear_sdf: i have that installed |
| 04:29.24 | yan_ | rabbitear_sdf: vmware-tools is installed |
| 04:29.57 | ChibaPet | superstraw: You could do that, but I'd suggest maybe doing it before then. I'd recommend doing it a month from now. Wheezy will have been stable for a bit more than a month, and you'll have time to test your production environment against it. |
| 04:30.04 | rabbitear_sdf | yan_: don't have any method of 1, 2, 3, to throw out there for you.. |
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| 04:30.31 | Maelstrom | LMDE 201303 is out! |
| 04:30.49 | truexfan81 | and we need to know that in this channel why? |
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| 04:31.03 | rabbitear_sdf | lol |
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| 04:31.48 | Maelstrom | LMDE is deabian done right |
| 04:32.02 | themill | Maelstrom: troll elsewhere? |
| 04:32.18 | truexfan81 | considers feeding the troll just for the entertainment |
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| 04:32.31 | Maelstrom | so funny |
| 04:32.56 | Maelstrom | im going to spotchat there people arent ogres |
| 04:33.17 | ChibaPet | I'm glad I lack the combination of boredom and emotional damage required to troll. |
| 04:33.20 | truexfan81 | don't let the door hit you on the way out :) |
| 04:33.24 | Maelstrom | keep this channel clean |
| 04:33.41 | rabbitear_sdf | notroll-linux distribution isn't out yet, he's say |
| 04:33.43 | Maelstrom | move along nothing to see here |
| 04:33.56 | rabbitear_sdf | saying.. |
| 04:34.20 | Maelstrom | dont stir up the honeypots |
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| 04:34.39 | rabbitear_sdf | Maelstrom: this is a wicked old channel Maelstrom |
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| 04:35.47 | superstraw | ChibaPet: thank you for the advice. I use the server for SO much stuff and if it goes down for more than a day I'll have people questioning my ability. Luckily I'm a backup freak. |
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| 04:36.15 | ARCADIVS | Okay for two days now (there have been restarts in between) aptitude keeps telling me "No candidate version found." whenever I try to install *anything*. What's wrong? |
| 04:37.14 | rabbitear_sdf | never heard of such a thing ARCADIVS |
| 04:38.24 | Lehti | the allmighty Google told me it would have something to do with sources.list lacking some parameters... |
| 04:38.31 | ARCADIVS | Hmm that's odd. I just thought for a moment about the last configuration related thing I did for APT and remembered I changed sources.list. I added -t wheezy to my installation command just now and it let me install something. |
| 04:38.56 | ARCADIVS | All I added was a deb-src line for wheezy. |
| 04:39.21 | ARCADIVS | That's the only thing different in my sources.list, so why do I need to add -t wheezy to my aptitude install commands now? |
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| 04:40.08 | superstraw | ARCADIVS: added or replaced squeeze with wheezy? |
| 04:40.19 | superstraw | in sources.list |
| 04:40.37 | ARCADIVS | No, it's was wheezy before that. I just added a deb-src line so I could install src packages. |
| 04:40.58 | somiaj | ARCADIVS: care to share your sources.list |
| 04:41.04 | somiaj | ARCADIVS: or look at the output of apt-cache policy |
| 04:41.33 | ARCADIVS | I can show you both. |
| 04:43.09 | ARCADIVS | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7bc932b73b939c95568b |
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| 04:44.25 | themill | pinning everything to -10 can't help/// |
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| 04:45.02 | themill | ARCADIVS: don't mix stable and unstable. Don't think that pinning will solve the problems of mixing releases. |
| 04:45.15 | peterrooney | ARCADIVS: you are combining wheezy and unstable. I point and laugh at you. |
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| 04:46.43 | ARCADIVS | Yeah, I don't know much about pinning. I believe I messed with those settings months ago following some blog post or stackoverflow thing. I only did it for one small package, I think, and I haven't installed any unstable packages since. My system is running fine and it's not a server, so I can do "dangerous" things like this. |
| 04:46.48 | peterrooney | Even if you combine stable and oldstable, you're going to have problems. |
| 04:47.23 | ARCADIVS | I have to say -t unstable to install something unstable, so I don't see much risk here. |
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| 04:48.06 | somiaj | ARCADIVS: it is never the small package you want that is the issue. It is the core libaries that it depends on that get pulled in with it that lead to a lot of bugs |
| 04:48.22 | somiaj | the reason you need to exress -t wheezy is because you mixed up pinning, but that isn't your major issue |
| 04:48.36 | ARCADIVS | Yeah, I understand, somiaj, but I felt like throwing caution to the wind. |
| 04:48.46 | somiaj | ARCADIVS: you pull in an unstable libc6 (or dpkg, or apt that most packages depend on) yes it is a major issue |
| 04:48.52 | somiaj | you compile backports, do not install binary packages |
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| 04:49.44 | ARCADIVS | Heh, I can watch out for packages like libc6. This feels stupid easy compared to messing around with Gentoo all day like I was before. |
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| 04:54.42 | somiaj | ARCADIVS: /msg dpkg ssbp (since you seem to know how to compile things), better to make a custom backport -- note on some packages you have to backport many things |
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| 04:56.12 | JasonWoof | I'm creating a wheezy virtual machine e-mail for 10-ish domains. Where can I find good advice/instruction on how to set this up well, with spam mitigation? |
| 04:56.14 | ARCADIVS | Is dpkg some information bot or something? |
| 04:56.29 | JasonWoof | ARCADIVS: yes |
| 04:56.32 | superstraw | he's a super-nerd. |
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| 04:58.06 | JasonWoof | oops, I mangled that sentence. I'm hosting e-mail for 10-ish domains. currently they're on an old freebsd server with qmail/vpopmail. I've heard good things about xim4, but don't know if that's the right tool for the job |
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| 04:59.31 | ARCADIVS | Thanks, somiaj. |
| 04:59.38 | johnfg | hey folks |
| 04:59.57 | johnfg | I just installed wheezy and it didn't get the grub config correct. |
| 05:00.20 | johnfg | I'm in wheezy now, but it didn't recognize squeeze, which is still my main server. |
| 05:00.55 | johnfg | I had it write at install to /dev/sda, but I can't seem to be able to mount it now. |
| 05:01.01 | somiaj | JasonWoof: it should work, I prefer postfix myself. To me it is a matter of taste. |
| 05:02.10 | somiaj | JasonWoof: what mail server are you use to? |
| 05:02.12 | JasonWoof | somiaj: both can handle multiple domains (which I can host as webmail, via IMAP, etc) and have tools to help with spam? |
| 05:02.27 | JasonWoof | somiaj: I've been using qmail on freebsd with vpopmail and courier-imap |
| 05:02.38 | JasonWoof | and spamassassin |
| 05:02.46 | JasonWoof | it's been a long long time since I set it up |
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| 05:03.02 | JasonWoof | now I mostly just call a little script that adds a new domain |
| 05:03.18 | somiaj | JasonWoof: yes spamassassin and imap clients (like dovecot) can be linked with either |
| 05:04.09 | JasonWoof | and they are both designed for hosting other people's e-mail? I just started reading the exim docs, and it seemed to be geared towards local mail delivery |
| 05:04.12 | somiaj | JasonWoof: qmail and courier-imap are both availaibe via debian |
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| 05:04.44 | somiaj | JasonWoof: I know postfix is flexiable and can, I'd assume exim4 can, but don't know for sure |
| 05:05.22 | JasonWoof | hmmm... suppose I could just keep using qmail |
| 05:05.41 | JasonWoof | I don't see vpopmail though |
| 05:05.49 | JasonWoof | that's what handles the virtualhosts |
| 05:06.15 | somiaj | JasonWoof: look into dovecot, I beliveit can do that and works as both pop3 and imap client |
| 05:06.19 | somiaj | sorry server |
| 05:06.23 | JasonWoof | I guess what I feel would be hardest to figure out on my own is: what software to use, and how to handle spam well |
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| 05:06.59 | JasonWoof | I've heard people say that the spam problem is basically solved, but I didn't pester them for details of how to set up a server |
| 05:07.18 | JasonWoof | ok, making a note about dovecot |
| 05:08.01 | JasonWoof | ooh, there's a dovecot-antispam pkg |
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| 05:08.53 | somiaj | hmm seems dovecot is a full mailserver now, I only ever used it with postfix for imap/pop3 |
| 05:09.30 | somiaj | JasonWoof: there is lots of choice in debian. (: |
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| 05:09.44 | JasonWoof | yeah, :) awesome and overwhelming :) |
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| 05:13.07 | JasonWoof | hmm... looks like dovecot doesn't do smtp |
| 05:13.30 | somiaj | JasonWoof: hmm, the wiki said it did. I was under that impression to. postfix+dovecot is what I use |
| 05:14.00 | JasonWoof | only mention of SMTP on dovecot.org home page (including giant list of features) is that postfix and exim can check against dovecot settings for SMTP authentication |
| 05:14.00 | somiaj | JasonWoof: http://wiki.dovecot.org seems to say it does SMTP now, which is what surprised me |
| 05:14.08 | JasonWoof | huh |
| 05:15.24 | ChibaPet | somiaj: That's a general description of how mail works, not a feature list for Dovecot. |
| 05:15.37 | ChibaPet | It is admittedly unclear. |
| 05:15.52 | somiaj | ahh that is what confused me. Okay, yea I thought dovecot was only imap/pop3, (: |
| 05:16.12 | ChibaPet | Having looked now, though, I kind of like this idea of dsync. |
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| 05:20.16 | digdilem | i did wonder the other day why imap couldn't also incorporate a way of sending emails via the same connection |
| 05:20.30 | digdilem | it seems daft to have to set up two connections for mail clients |
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| 05:22.05 | somiaj | digdilem: I'm sure a big part is comadability/standards. I just wish my isp didn't block port 25 (sending mail is a pain on many isp these days) |
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| 05:24.56 | digdilem | i think it could be done as just an extra command set so as to preserve backward compatibility, and use local routing, or smarthost - rather than imapd being a full mailer |
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| 05:29.36 | JasonWoof | I read the first bit of the manual for exim, and it says you can configure it to send all outgoing mail through an external "smatrhost" |
| 05:29.56 | JasonWoof | which I assume means something like smtp.comcast.net |
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| 05:32.36 | JasonWoof | found a nice overview here: http://www.linuxmantra.com/2010/07/sendmail-vs-postfix-vs-qmail-vs-exim.html |
| 05:32.52 | JasonWoof | makes me want to use postfix |
| 05:33.52 | digdilem | heh, exim does get complicated very quickly |
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| 05:34.34 | digdilem | but yeah, and probably the easiest way is to use dpkg-reconfigure to tell exim to route via a smarthost, istr it's one of the setup questions; |
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| 05:35.28 | Feigr | Hello I am having problems with my sound on Debian 7. All of a sudden I get no sound from Iceweasel of mplayer but MPD works fine. I had not made any changes that I was aware of to my sound settings and everything did work fine a few days ago. What could be the issue? |
| 05:36.16 | somiaj | Feigr: sounds like you don't have audio mixing correctly. If you say stop mpd, can you get sound from either mplayer of iceweasel |
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| 05:37.33 | Viliny | hello, im using firestarter to ease the firewall setup in debian |
| 05:37.44 | Viliny | is there any way to add policies to it without the gui? |
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| 05:38.07 | Viliny | such as editing it's config files and then rrestarting networking or something to restart it? |
| 05:38.35 | Viliny | it's currently blocking port 22 but redirecting me to a windows machine rdp in the lan which i can probably use to ssh to it |
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| 05:40.57 | Feigr | somiaj: it does not seem like killing MPD makes sound work in other programs |
| 05:41.28 | somiaj | Feigr: cat /proc/asound/cards (could it be you have multiple sound cards and the top card 0 is not your main sound card?) |
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| 05:45.32 | Feigr | yeah I am using the onboard sound and I have a separate card connected that I do not use anymre |
| 05:45.45 | Feigr | I guess I could just turn off the PC and yank the card I don't use |
| 05:45.55 | Feigr | that might make Linux see things more clearly ;) |
| 05:46.06 | somiaj | Feigr: video cards also come with sound cards these days |
| 05:46.17 | Feigr | I use card 0 and I have hw:0,0 set in MPD |
| 05:46.37 | somiaj | Feigr: or a usb webcam, etc. Anyways you can change the default. I was just double checking it wasn't a sound card issue |
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| 05:47.02 | somiaj | Feigr: dmix is supose to be enabled by default (to allow software mixing) but I find that if I create my own .asoundrc it overwrites that default |
| 05:47.03 | nevyn | Feigr: if you append index=-1 to the module you don't want to be 0 that'll wor |
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| 05:48.28 | Feigr | but how can I check if Iceweasel is using card 0? |
| 05:48.33 | `Z` | Hi |
| 05:48.47 | `Z` | Im having problems with rfkill, it soft blocks my wifi adapter |
| 05:48.54 | Feigr | nevyn: but I want everything to use 0 |
| 05:49.01 | `Z` | I installed the RL8188CE driver |
| 05:49.08 | `Z` | and rfkill unblock all doesn't works |
| 05:49.26 | `Z` | im runnin debian 7, jessie, with enlightement. |
| 05:49.37 | nevyn | Feigr: sorry I thought the problem was cards flipping... |
| 05:49.49 | `Z` | could someone help please ?* |
| 05:50.01 | nevyn | so non-static index assignments (which is why you shouldn't refer to cards by index. |
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| 05:50.07 | somiaj | `Z`: so you are mixing stable and testing. You might have more problems than just your wifi. |
| 05:50.38 | `Z` | well I dist-upgraded |
| 05:50.53 | `Z` | & everything works well excepted the wifi thing |
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| 05:52.03 | pkg_dwerp | Hello everyone, I just came here to say :"do not trust 100% memtest", I had some freeze issues going on for a few months, changed kernel, removed proprietary drivers etc... just removet 12G (3 sticks) of my ram... now running on 4G and stable as hell. memtest showed no errors at all. Thanks to everyone here who took time to try to troubleshoot my issue |
| 05:53.02 | somiaj | `Z`: okay so you are running testing. does rfkill keep saying the software kill switch is on or does it say the hardware kill switch is on? |
| 05:53.16 | rjsalts | pkg_dwerp: memtest will confirm the presence of errors. But won't always guarantee the absence of them |
| 05:53.24 | `Z` | it says soft block : on / hard block : off |
| 05:53.49 | somiaj | pkg_dwerp: how long did you run memtest for? How many times did you go though your memeory? |
| 05:54.08 | pkg_dwerp | somiaj : once only |
| 05:54.11 | somiaj | `Z`: and when you tell rfkill to turn the softblock off (been a while since I have done this) it doesn't turn it off? |
| 05:54.19 | `Z` | exactly |
| 05:54.23 | somiaj | pkg_dwerp: It is suggested you let memtest run overnight (12+ hours) |
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| 05:54.42 | `Z` | I tried to remove the acer-wmi driver, as I saw on google, and blacklisted it, but it didn't help |
| 05:54.43 | somiaj | `Z`: I'm at a lost. but on testing one place to check is bugs.debian.org |
| 05:54.46 | nevyn | have they fixed the problems with >64gig yet? |
| 05:54.52 | tuv | anyone using kde 4.10 from experimental? i'm running jessie, which has kde 4.8. upgrading to 4.10 pulls in libc from experimental, so i backed out. does it work on jessie? |
| 05:55.03 | truexfan81 | nevyn: what problem with 64gig? |
| 05:55.11 | pkg_dwerp | somiaj : will do next time... this machine is just needed all the time... mail server, vpn to work etc... |
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| 05:55.50 | nevyn | truexfan81: testing more than 64gig of ram didn't work because memtest was still 32bit compiled |
| 05:55.53 | somiaj | pkg_dwerp: It sometimes takes it multiple passes to detect the error. In a case like that it might be best to just replace the ram, and then test the existing ram on another board. You can do it one stick at a time to to isolate what was actually bad. |
| 05:56.19 | truexfan81 | nevyn: ah ok, i have only used memtest a couple of times |
| 05:56.26 | themill | tuv: asking in #debian-kde on oftc would be better; the basic gist of "/msg dpkg experimental" will still be the same, however. |
| 05:57.08 | tuv | themill: ok.. thanks |
| 05:57.21 | pkg_dwerp | somiaj : I had no other boards using ddr3, would have done this for sure |
| 05:57.51 | nevyn | it looks like it got fixed in the 3.x series |
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| 05:58.32 | `Z` | note that I was using debian-testing with XFCE, and freshly reinstalled (some hours ago). It was perfectly working with the previous installtion.. |
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| 05:59.54 | somiaj | `Z`: #debian-next on oftc is the place for testing questions. As for the difference it could be that you do not have software mixing working correctly. |
| 06:00.23 | `Z` | ok thanks you, im going to debian-next. have a nice day :) |
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| 06:10.55 | crashmin | I read that dnsmasq shouldn't be set to serve local names on interfaces connected to internet, is it true? on my server machine I only have one interface which is connected to the router (incapable of dns) |
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| 06:11.46 | nevyn | crashmin: does the router forward dns to your server machine? |
| 06:12.18 | crashmin | it seems I have to do that manually |
| 06:12.28 | crashmin | 'so I'll skip the dhcp on the router too |
| 06:12.49 | nevyn | no no no... |
| 06:13.05 | nevyn | the point was your internal network != "the internet" |
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| 06:14.59 | crashmin | I have static dns lines on my router configuration, but they seem to overwrite the ones that it negotiates with the ISP |
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| 06:20.58 | Quix86 | What do I have to do to get 256 colors working in fbterm? Documentation seems to be lacking... |
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| 06:22.10 | crashmin | nevyn hmm I'm still not getting it, sure the point is to |
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| 06:22.42 | crashmin | get my local network running, but then I'd need to set dnsmasq to retrieve the ISP dns servers, because I do have to access internet too. |
| 06:22.57 | nevyn | crashmin: don't worry about it dnsmasq is fine. |
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| 06:25.40 | crashmin | nevyn, ok so just by overwriting the ISP negotiated dns servers in the router configuration with my dns machine should do? |
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| 06:26.45 | nevyn | crashmin: you should put those dns servers into the dnsmasq box tho. |
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| 06:27.23 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: you most likley are, you can check installed packages (dpkg -l | grep grub) |
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| 06:28.12 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: how about dpkg -l | grep lilo |
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| 06:47.03 | vice_ | Hi Debians, can anybody tell me where my compizsettings are stored? compiz 0.8.* |
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| 06:47.43 | Quix86 | *Debianites |
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| 06:47.52 | `Z` | So, im asking here again, in case o someone could help. Im having issues trying to activate my wireless card. rfkill unblock does not soft unblock it. im using debian testing, with the rtl8192ce driver, loaded successfully. |
| 06:48.47 | vice_ | `Z`: Did you try to ifconfig yourdevice up |
| 06:49.15 | `Z` | it says its blocked by rfkill. |
| 06:49.35 | `Z` | "Operation not permited due to RF-kill" |
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| 06:52.25 | vice_ | `Z`: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62166/siocsifflags-operation-not-possible-due-to-rf-kill |
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| 06:55.28 | jargon | where would it get logged when my X session boots me when i try to launch a java app in the browser? |
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| 06:59.03 | JasonWoof | doh! the rsync version on my old server is incompatible with my new wheezy virtual machine (which I'm building to replace it) |
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| 06:59.56 | JasonWoof | that might complicate things a bit |
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| 07:00.03 | JasonWoof | or I could just use tar |
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| 07:02.12 | JasonWoof | nah, I really should test the sites for a bit, and then do an incremental update right before it goes live |
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| 07:25.22 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can force the cpu fan on my laptop to go at full speed when it reaches 50Ù’C ? |
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| 07:27.08 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can force the cpu fan on my laptop to go at full speed when it reaches 50Ù’C ? the application fancontrol is not working |
| 07:27.22 | superlinux-hp | or it does not work on my laptop |
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| 07:28.31 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 07:28.59 | db6sda8 | superlinux-hp: why? |
| 07:29.10 | JasonWoof | jargon: you might have something in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:29.24 | superlinux-hp | i just want to keep my laptop cold |
| 07:29.43 | jargon | JasonWoof: thank you |
| 07:29.47 | JasonWoof | jargon: the X log should be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or some such. it won't tell you about java though |
| 07:29.48 | lancelot_of | yesterday night i suspended to disk (hibernated) and today morning at wake up the system rebooted instead of loading the freezed image...what happened? 3.2 kernel debian wheezy |
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| 07:30.32 | jargon | JasonWoof: it's some kind of weird thing where i get booted back to the login screen whenever i launch a java app in the browser. would you happen to know anything about fixing this? |
| 07:30.43 | db6sda8 | lancelot_of: i will test that |
| 07:31.25 | JasonWoof | jargon: probably something to do with your graphics drivers. the xorg log might give some info on how it's crashing |
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| 07:31.54 | lancelot_of | db6sda8, thank you, i'd like to specify that the kernel is custom compiled but only do deactivate docking, nothing else. The uptime was of few days...but it shouldn't happen on stable kernels....should it? |
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| 07:38.34 | db6sda8 | lancelot_of: i see. and i will come soon. |
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| 07:38.51 | st0rm | is there any good books for debian? |
| 07:39.04 | st0rm | only one ive found was the debian system from no starch |
| 07:39.43 | Dewi | st0rm: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 07:40.52 | themill | dpkg: tell st0rm about debian-handbook |
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| 07:42.00 | st0rm | thx Dewi |
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| 07:46.28 | st0rm | thx |
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| 08:01.12 | sdd6 | hi all |
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| 08:02.51 | nyuszika7h | hi, could someone please help me with resolvconf? I'm trying to replace Google DNS with OpenDNS, and this is the result after `sudo service resolvconf force-reload`: http://pastie.org/7901636 |
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| 08:03.04 | sdd6 | i 'd like to know if firestarter is secure for debian 7 |
| 08:03.06 | nyuszika7h | err, fail |
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| 08:03.32 | nyuszika7h | fixed paste: http://pastie.org/7901638 |
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| 08:05.07 | b0lt | sdd6: secure how? |
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| 08:06.41 | sdd6 | i dont know, i have read firestarter is old |
| 08:07.03 | b0lt | sdd6: it is. it's no longer developed, and doesn't support stuff like ipv6, for instance |
| 08:07.07 | petn-randall | sdd6: And that makes it _less_ secure?! |
| 08:07.25 | sdd6 | no no :) |
| 08:07.27 | b0lt | sdd6: it's just a tool that generates iptables rules, isn't it? they're as secure as you make them |
| 08:07.38 | sdd6 | ok tks |
| 08:07.45 | sdd6 | i wanted to be sure its all :p |
| 08:07.53 | sdd6 | i'm a biginner on linux |
| 08:08.01 | sdd6 | beginer * |
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| 08:08.22 | sdd6 | it works fine :) |
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| 08:09.38 | h00ked | morning |
| 08:09.57 | sdd6 | other question: i use the same ip config on windows 7 and debian, when i make a speed test, windows : 85M, Linux: 29M |
| 08:10.09 | sdd6 | oO |
| 08:10.34 | b0lt | time to troubleshoot :) |
| 08:10.42 | sdd6 | :) |
| 08:11.06 | petn-randall | sdd6: I've always seen those speed tests a little skeptic. Have you done several runs of it? |
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| 08:11.43 | petn-randall | sdd6: Also, depending on the algorithm used for TCP window scaling, you might get different results. |
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| 08:12.33 | sdd6 | i show you on linux debian : http://www.speedtest.net/result/2704578499.png |
| 08:13.00 | sdd6 | so its normal ? |
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| 08:13.14 | sdd6 | strange ! :p |
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| 08:13.54 | b0lt | sdd6: you're dualbooting? |
| 08:14.00 | sdd6 | yes |
| 08:14.33 | b0lt | if you're in a lan, test your bandwidth to a fileserver or similar. see if that seems limited too |
| 08:14.53 | sdd6 | good idea |
| 08:15.29 | b0lt | also see if some process hogs all the cpu when you transfer stuff. maybe you made some silly firewall rules inspecting every packet, even from established connections? :) |
| 08:15.53 | b0lt | could be a billion things... just start at the beginning |
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| 08:16.35 | sdd6 | :) |
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| 08:19.40 | zeeflo | I have a remote server, in germany. How would I make that server be virtual part of my home LAN ? |
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| 08:31.37 | kaste | project2501a: probably because there is a couple of apps that don't run with it? |
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| 08:34.10 | project2501a | kaste: really? which ones? |
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| 08:36.16 | kaste | skype for example, but that is pretty extreme. There are a couple of others |
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| 08:47.56 | petn-randall | project2501a: The defaults for Debian are pretty minimal. The point of all this is to save the time people bitch about the defaults, so they just implement what they want. |
| 08:49.27 | project2501a | petn-randall: worksfor.e |
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| 08:50.28 | k_sze[work] | Where can mount points be defined squeeze or wheezy? |
| 08:50.33 | k_sze[work] | (other than /etc/fstab) |
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| 08:51.51 | mastro__ | Is there a "suggested procedure" to switch from one DE to another (ex. from Gnome 3 to KDE) |
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| 08:55.51 | cusco | bom dia |
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| 08:58.39 | jelly-home | mastro__: log off, pick a different session on the login screen, log back on? |
| 08:58.47 | petn-randall | k_sze[work]: That's the place where you'd define them. Or do you have mounts on your machine, and you're asking yourself where they come from? |
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| 09:00.35 | k_sze[work] | petn-randall: yep, the later case |
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| 09:00.49 | k_sze[work] | looks like the server has some ad-hoc mounts |
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| 09:11.14 | buscon | hi |
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| 09:11.26 | buscon | how can i configure the layout of the keyboard? |
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| 09:11.29 | petn-randall | k_sze[work]: What kind of mounts are that? It's possible that those are 'automounts'. Check if autofs is installed, the config is usually /etc/auto* |
| 09:11.41 | buscon | in gnome is the right one, but not in the terminal out of gnome |
| 09:11.49 | b0lt | buscon: depends entirely on your environment. detials |
| 09:12.02 | b0lt | buscon: ah. on tty's? |
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| 09:12.09 | buscon | b0lt, exactly |
| 09:12.16 | k_sze[work] | petn-randall: dpkg -l | grep autofs? |
| 09:12.33 | petn-randall | k_sze[work]: right. |
| 09:12.42 | k_sze[work] | doesn't seem to be installed |
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| 09:15.09 | b0lt | buscon: hm.. it should be dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, but that doesn't seem to work on my current machine for some reason |
| 09:15.44 | buscon | b0lt, that's what I run too, but i cannot see any changement... |
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| 09:16.07 | SPF | how can I tell tcpdump to decode a protocol on a different non-standart port? |
| 09:16.10 | zeeflo | how would I go about to make a remote server a virtual part of my home LAN ? |
| 09:16.37 | petn-randall | buscon, b0lt: dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration? |
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| 09:16.57 | petn-randall | zeeflo: Please explain what you mean with that and what you want to achieve. |
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| 09:17.50 | zeeflo | petn-randall: I have a server in germany. I would like to connect it to my home lan |
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| 09:18.01 | zeeflo | is this achieved by bridging or something? |
| 09:18.21 | b0lt | petn-randall: that still doesn't produce any options for me. it just exits with status 0 |
| 09:19.14 | zeeflo | b0lt: are you running this as root or with sudo? |
| 09:19.16 | buscon | petn-randall, i'll try that |
| 09:19.30 | b0lt | zeeflo: as root |
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| 09:20.37 | buscon | petn-randall, i've run that, but i still see no changements |
| 09:20.50 | buscon | i've also log out and log in after reconfiguring the keyboard |
| 09:21.13 | b0lt | buscon: do you actually get asked any questions when you run that command? i get nothing |
| 09:21.34 | zeeflo | b0lt: try dpkg --configure instead |
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| 09:22.02 | buscon | b0lt, yes I do, i go through the questions |
| 09:22.22 | b0lt | zeeflo: "already installed and configured" |
| 09:22.27 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 09:23.58 | zeeflo | you _should_ be able to reconfigure then |
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| 09:25.51 | zeeflo | try with --force ? |
| 09:26.07 | b0lt | zeeflo: i can do so on two other machines i've tried. it's just this one |
| 09:26.35 | b0lt | zeeflo: still a clean exit, no output |
| 09:27.10 | b0lt | sudo does the same thing btw |
| 09:27.18 | b0lt | just had to try that as well |
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| 09:28.19 | b0lt | buscon: you might have to reboot for it to take effect on the console. or restart keyboard-configuration, if it has an init script or whatever. |
| 09:28.42 | b0lt | but why the heck can't i get that configuration to appear? weird... |
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| 09:34.56 | buscon | b0lt, ok, good to know |
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| 09:41.30 | b0lt | any ideas on what could make "dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration" not display anything and simply exit with status 0? it's just this one machine, with wheezy, that's pretty much a base installation that runs a couple of kvm guests. no xorg or anything. |
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| 09:45.30 | cantoma | hey guys, I updated to wheezy from squeeze and now in alsamixer I can only see one channel, which is the master. The sound now goes and comes, and many times I need to restart the alsa server. Is this a known issue? I have been trying to google for it but nothing. |
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| 09:48.52 | jelly-home | cantoma: press F6 in alsamixer and choose a physical audio device instead of the pulseaudio virtual one (which comes up by default) |
| 09:49.38 | cantoma | jelly-home, I only have this option: 0 HDA Intel PCH |
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| 09:50.51 | cantoma | jelly-home, it actually shows Card: PulseAudio on the top |
| 09:51.01 | cantoma | jelly-home, can I uninstall pulseaudio |
| 09:51.10 | cantoma | i have no idea why is it installed |
| 09:51.15 | cantoma | and do I need it? |
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| 09:51.44 | DarkKnightCZ | cantoma: do you want to listen to music? |
| 09:51.52 | cantoma | DarkKnightCZ, yes |
| 09:51.55 | petn-randall | cantoma: If your card only supports one audio stream at once, and you want to have more than one program use audio output, you probably want to keep pulseaudio. |
| 09:51.58 | DarkKnightCZ | then yes, you need pulse :) |
| 09:52.12 | jelly-home | cantoma: so, pick that hda intel one. |
| 09:52.31 | cantoma | jelly-home, I select it but nothing happens |
| 09:53.03 | cantoma | jelly-home, or should I enter "enter device name..." |
| 09:53.15 | jelly-home | cantoma: acre to paste a screenshot of what's visible when you press F6 in alsamixer? |
| 09:53.30 | cantoma | DarkKnightCZ, petn-randall right now I have no sound at all |
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| 09:55.38 | cantoma | jelly-home, http://imagebin.org/257484 |
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| 09:56.29 | h00ked | anyone know alternative to TorrentFlux? |
| 09:56.38 | jelly-home | cantoma: ok, so pick 0 HDA Intel PCH, that ought to show the physical audio device tunables |
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| 09:57.14 | cantoma | jelly-home, that is true, how can i save it? |
| 09:57.36 | cantoma | jelly-home, after I close it and open it again it goes back to pulse-audio |
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| 10:00.37 | cantoma | jelly-home, this is how is looks now http://imagebin.org/257485 |
| 10:01.02 | cantoma | but everytime I go out and load again, it goes back to pulseaudio |
| 10:01.10 | cantoma | and still I have no sound |
| 10:01.11 | jelly-home | cantoma: yes, that's normal |
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| 10:01.20 | jelly-home | (defaulting to pulseaudio) |
| 10:01.41 | jelly-home | cantoma: unmute Front and Speaker, for a start |
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| 10:02.16 | zeeflo | did anyone answer my question about connecting a remote server to my home lan? |
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| 10:02.47 | jelly-home | cantoma: if unsure, unmute every playback device |
| 10:02.48 | cantoma | jelly-home, so it replaces MM by 00 |
| 10:02.54 | cantoma | ok |
| 10:03.33 | cantoma | jelly-home, the sound came back after I unmote the LFE |
| 10:03.40 | cantoma | hmmm |
| 10:03.42 | cantoma | interesting |
| 10:03.46 | cantoma | sound at last :) |
| 10:04.11 | jelly-home | cantoma: you probably have speakers connected to the wrong output then? Dunno |
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| 10:05.08 | cantoma | jelly-home, no it seems to be ok |
| 10:05.21 | cantoma | jelly-home, it is connected to the front of my pc |
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| 10:05.39 | cantoma | jelly-home, and there is a headphones symbol on it |
| 10:05.57 | jimcooncat | zeeflo: use ssh, sshfs, and/or vnc over ssh |
| 10:06.00 | cantoma | i can try connecting to the sound card in the back |
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| 10:06.23 | jimcooncat | zeeflo: if it's a server with no gui, never mind the vnc |
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| 10:06.49 | jelly-home | cantoma: that one should probably be handled by the "Headphones" output |
| 10:07.14 | jelly-home | cantoma: but if your hardware is too new, it's possible the driver doesn't know exactly how things are connected |
| 10:07.25 | cantoma | jelly-home, i have just connect to the one in the souncard, but I only ear sound from one of the speakers of the headphone |
| 10:07.46 | cantoma | jelly-home, well it was working well with squeeze |
| 10:07.55 | cantoma | jelly-home, it is only creating problems with wheezy |
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| 10:08.31 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 10:08.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-1-686-pae (3.8.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
| 10:08.54 | Rootert | To all whom I bugged with my Wheezy connectivity issues regarding a site-to-site VPN in the last few days: I resolved it by simply not using the somewhat unclear IPsec implementation in pfSense. Instead, I'm using its OpenVPN implementation now and everything works exactly as it should. Thank you all again for your help :) |
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| 10:09.26 | cantoma | jelly-home, i was using the squeeze-backports kernel before |
| 10:09.40 | jimcooncat | zeeflo: for ssh use a very strong password, and switch to public key authentication as soon as you're comfortable with the concepts. |
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| 10:09.51 | cantoma | jelly-home, because this is a new machine and most things didn't work with the 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 10:10.00 | leo-unglaub | hey, i have a problem with the debian kernel 3.8. in 3.2 my eth0 and my 4 monitor worked fine, but with 3.8 i don't have an internet connection and only 2 out of 3 monitors working |
| 10:10.02 | leo-unglaub | any idea why? |
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| 10:11.12 | cantoma | jelly-home, well after tuning on LFE it seems to work fine |
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| 10:11.39 | Zharf | heh |
| 10:11.40 | Zharf | whops |
| 10:11.57 | zeeflo | jimcooncat: wont sshfs lose connection? |
| 10:12.07 | zeeflo | ive tried that before.. But its bad at keeping the ssh alive |
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| 10:13.15 | jimcooncat | zeeflo: ssh has a keepalive option. But probably not the best if you want always-on. I've never used it, but I'd imagine openvpn would be worth checking out. |
| 10:13.46 | zeeflo | im thinking openvpn |
| 10:14.03 | zeeflo | im just wondering if it would make the server visible on my LAN |
| 10:14.03 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:15.10 | jelly-home | cantoma: well that's weird, because the kernel form squeeze-backports is almost the same as the kernel in wheezy |
| 10:15.57 | cantoma | jelly-home, that is true, I think it is somehow related to the fact that pulseaudio was not in my system before |
| 10:16.04 | cantoma | and during the update it got someone installed |
| 10:16.09 | jimcooncat | zeeflo: may I ask what kind of service this remote server is providing you? |
| 10:16.26 | cantoma | jelly-home, i do not remember seeing pulseaudio before in alsamixer at all |
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| 10:17.20 | zeeflo | jimcooncat: my remote server? Its just storage |
| 10:17.34 | osfd | Hi there, can you tell me about open source webmail that would be 'equivalent' to gmail ? |
| 10:17.36 | zeeflo | but im annoyed that I have to copy it to my local server if I need something |
| 10:17.49 | cantoma | jelly-home, I am somehow tempted to uninstall it but some of you guys told me not too |
| 10:17.57 | osfd | not looking for a client, but an email provider |
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| 10:18.28 | zeeflo | jimcooncat: and, some of the storage would be nice to have access to, with my serviio service here at home ;) |
| 10:18.59 | jelly-home | cantoma: leave it be if things work |
| 10:19.10 | cantoma | jelly-home, not it is fine |
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| 10:19.39 | cantoma | now* |
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| 10:24.35 | superlinux-hp | hi. i want to make my CPU fan run on maximum speed when it reaches 50Ù’C so i can force it back to 45Ù’C . fancontrol does not work on my HP dv6 laptop. how can i achieve that? thanks |
| 10:24.56 | zeeflo | uhmm |
| 10:25.08 | zeeflo | those guys on youtube had a whole show about that superlinux-hp |
| 10:25.15 | zeeflo | blabla brothers |
| 10:25.19 | zeeflo | no |
| 10:25.29 | zeeflo | whats that gagdet show called |
| 10:25.33 | zeeflo | i cant remember |
| 10:25.35 | morad | hi everyone,sorry about my English,i have a problem,when i want to update my squeeze 6.0.6 with update manger,in install progress have a error and update is failed,how can i revert my Debian?thx a lot |
| 10:26.12 | superlinux-hp | zeeflo, so you mean there is a solution? |
| 10:26.21 | zeeflo | superlinux-hp: yes |
| 10:26.31 | superlinux-hp | and using linux? |
| 10:26.35 | zeeflo | they had a show about fan control blabla using linux |
| 10:26.36 | zeeflo | yes |
| 10:26.43 | superlinux-hp | ok |
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| 10:27.05 | superlinux-hp | great.. i spend the whole day searching |
| 10:27.19 | zeeflo | i just cant remember what they call their show |
| 10:27.25 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: If fancontrol doesn't work on your laptop, it's quite likely that you can't control it at all and it's solely controlled by the firmware. Check your BIOS if you can change options there. |
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| 10:27.36 | h00ked | the ISS migrating from windows to Linux because security. nice :D |
| 10:28.02 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: Unless the laptop fries you lap, 50°C isn't much for a CPU. |
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| 10:28.17 | petn-randall | *your |
| 10:28.22 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, all i can do is set the fan either always running or not. |
| 10:28.35 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: Are you on squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 10:28.50 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, it'll kill my malehood .. you know! |
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| 10:29.21 | superlinux-hp | my things.. the laptop be it all the time on my lap |
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| 10:32.00 | jimcooncat | zeeflo: it looks like sshfs has options to deal with flaky connections. But it is a bit slow. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14143/what-is-a-better-way-to-deal-with-server-disconnects-of-sshfs-mounts |
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| 10:32.56 | boudiccas | bi 'hibernated' out of fluxbox, and then had to reboot. now i'm locked out of fluxbox, how do i get back in please? |
| 10:33.12 | morad | hi everyone,sorry about my English,i have a problem,when i want to update my squeeze 6.0.6 with update manger,in install progress have a error and update is failed,how can i revert my Debian?thx a lot |
| 10:33.16 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: As I said, 50°C isn't much. Depending on the generation, the CPU can go to 80-95°C before shutting down. If fancontrol in wheezy doesn't support your laptop, it probably doesn't let the OS control the fan. |
| 10:33.34 | petn-randall | morad: You can't revert the upgrade. |
| 10:34.09 | b0lt | boudiccas: in what way are you locked out? |
| 10:34.43 | boudiccas | b00b: every time i try to login to fluxbox i get dumped back at theh lightdm prompts |
| 10:35.00 | boudiccas | b0lt: sorry, wrong nick, message still applies though |
| 10:35.39 | superlinux-hp | brb |
| 10:35.48 | petn-randall | morad: Can you paste the output of the error you got? Did you check the upgrade instructions if the error you get is already documented? |
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| 10:36.07 | morad | petn-randall: what can i do?my wireless device not be ready,and shutdown button is removed from system menu! |
| 10:36.22 | lkthomas | hey guys, I am using parted -l for a 4TB hdd, it still showing 2199GB |
| 10:36.38 | lkthomas | is it because the old SAS card or something else ? |
| 10:37.13 | petn-randall | morad: Don't restart the machine if the upgrade isn't through, chances are it won't boot. |
| 10:37.41 | petn-randall | morad: Let's start from the beginning. How did you try to upgrade? Which steps did you take? |
| 10:39.08 | morad | petn-randall: when i restart my machine i understand my error!! |
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| 10:40.48 | petn-randall | morad: If you want to reboot, press ctrl+alt+F1, then press ctrl+alt+del, this will reboot your machine. Alternatively, you can log in after ctrl+alt+F1, then type 'reboot' as root. |
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| 10:41.09 | petn-randall | morad: But again, if your upgrade canceled half way through, you might not be able to boot at all. |
| 10:41.54 | petn-randall | morad: What is you native language? Maybe your local debian channel can help you, too. |
| 10:42.01 | petn-randall | *your |
| 10:42.09 | morad | petn-randall: yes but my big problem about my wireless device |
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| 10:42.42 | morad | petn-randall: persian or farsi |
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| 10:42.58 | petn-randall | morad: I'm guessing you're simply missing firmware-nonfree, but then again you gave us no information on how you upgraded. |
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| 10:43.27 | petn-randall | !farsi |
| 10:43.45 | zeeflo | morad: make sure you have contrib non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:44.03 | zeeflo | morad: then do a apt-get install firmware-blabla (what ever your wifi nic is) |
| 10:44.22 | zeeflo | in my case it was firmware-realtek |
| 10:44.47 | morad | petn-randall: yes |
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| 10:45.50 | petn-randall | morad: What zeeflo said. Make sure you have contrib and non-free in your sources.list, then simply do "apt-get install firmware-linux". This will pull in all the firmware you need. |
| 10:45.51 | morad | zeeflo: my wireless device is broadcom |
| 10:47.06 | morad | zeeflo,petn-randall: ok,i must be checked,i`m in windows |
| 10:47.54 | petn-randall | morad: Use a network cable for the installation, your wireless will very likely not work. |
| 10:48.12 | morad | zeeflo,petn-randall: thanks a mllion |
| 10:48.23 | petn-randall | morad: No problem, any time again :) |
| 10:48.35 | morad | petn-randall: yes it`s a good ideia |
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| 10:52.53 | zooz | hi people |
| 10:52.54 | zooz | anyone using reprepro for APT repo management? |
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| 10:55.39 | b0lt | !tell zooz about polls |
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| 10:57.27 | zooz | right, so has anyone solved the problem with not being able to have multiple versions of the same package in the same repo when using reprepro? |
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| 11:01.58 | boodie | Hi, finally X is back, thanks to the help of some good people! |
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| 11:04.04 | babilen | boodie: huh? what more did you have to do than following "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" after cleaning up all obsolete packages and configuration files? |
| 11:05.45 | boodie | Oh, installed the server-xorg-video-nvidia package, then it didn't work at first, but once removed the old file .xsession, it worked! |
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| 11:08.40 | Quest | installation step failed "installing system" on virtual box. I have many times retried. what can be the reason? |
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| 11:11.00 | b0lt | Quest: alt+f4 |
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| 11:20.01 | Quest | how much disk space is requred for debian graphical install with kde? |
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| 11:20.41 | Quest | b0lt, ^ |
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| 11:21.42 | oye | Hi all. I am downloading Debian 7.0 i386 LiveCD, and I am seriously planning to have it permanently installed on my laptop. I use an Aspire 5732Z, and from googling, I've noticed there have been some issues in the past with the backlight, due to a bug regarding the Intel graphics. Does anyone have a clue if that problem has already been solved or I am gonna need get my hands dirty? |
| 11:22.29 | codNext | you gonna need get your hands dirty... |
| 11:22.41 | codNext | very dirty... |
| 11:22.46 | oye | codNext Ah, hah. Great. Thank you! :-) |
| 11:22.51 | b0lt | ooh dirty |
| 11:23.18 | Quest | how much disk space is requred for debian graphical install with kde? |
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| 11:24.17 | b0lt | 5 gigs? |
| 11:24.21 | b0lt | you don't want that though |
| 11:24.26 | b0lt | that little space, i mean |
| 11:24.55 | Quest | i dont want that? |
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| 11:26.04 | b0lt | you want to be able to mess around with packages, installing extra stuff to build things, have room for your log files to grow... |
| 11:26.05 | oye | You need to allocate more space. 5 gigs would be enough just to have the system installed, not running smoothly. |
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| 11:26.05 | oye | Not running at all, even. |
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| 11:26.32 | Quest | hm. iam on vbox and allocated 4 gigs. just needed to see how debian works |
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| 11:26.52 | b0lt | doesn't virtualbox have dynamically expanding images? |
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| 11:27.15 | Quest | b0lt, yes. i had problems with that , that i mention before |
| 11:27.17 | Iridos | I managed to fill 20G on my install with gnome3... and I didn't even try hard |
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| 11:27.35 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 11:27.49 | Quest | likes kde |
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| 11:28.18 | Iridos | don't think there's so much of a difference space-wise |
| 11:28.39 | Quest | these days space dont matter much |
| 11:28.42 | Quest | nor ram. |
| 11:28.50 | Iridos | ok, -5G for Mathematica in /usr/local |
| 11:28.50 | b0lt | so use some :) |
| 11:28.56 | Quest | performance and likeness does |
| 11:29.21 | Quest | which ever makes one feel better |
| 11:29.39 | Quest | thats a billion dollar idea for debian. |
| 11:29.49 | boudiccas | i'm locked out of fluxbox with this message in the logs - BScreen::BScreen: an error occured while querying the X server. another window manager already running on display:0 Error: Couldn't find screens to manage. Make sure you don't have another window manager running. It seems to be running some other WM before fluxbox, even on reboot, so how do i get round it please so i can logon to fluxbox? |
| 11:29.53 | b0lt | uses 2.4 gigs on /, for debian, xorg and awesome wm, plus the programs I normally use |
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| 11:30.09 | Quest | ubuntu has made things a bit easier some migght say. but sacrifised stability |
| 11:30.21 | b0lt | please don't start a distro war :) |
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| 11:30.39 | Iridos | dpkg_, start a distro war |
| 11:30.56 | Quest | :) |
| 11:31.02 | Iridos | hmm! seems to honor your request |
| 11:31.02 | b0lt | :D |
| 11:31.04 | b0lt | !botsnack |
| 11:31.11 | b0lt | hm.. dead :/ |
| 11:31.17 | Quest | b0lt, i think the problem was with dynamic vbox images. as static is going fine now |
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| 11:32.53 | Quest | lartc.org says it can fight DoS attacks. i heard advanced dos attacks are not stoppable. well even the simple ping attacks and consume bandwidth unless isp support. true? |
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| 11:34.35 | b0lt | Quest: depends entirely on what you mean by stopping. you can make a dos attack consume very few resources, but bandwidth will be used |
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| 11:35.35 | b0lt | Quest: if you can identify the bad hosts effectively, you can drop all traffic from them on your load balancer though. doing so effectively will serve well to negate the effects, unless your bandwidth is also maxed out |
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| 11:35.53 | Quest | b0lt, now the debian install is giving error of bad mirror . its ftp.us... well iam not connected to internet though on the vbox. so is internet compulsory? |
| 11:36.41 | b0lt | Quest: depends what you're installing from. if you have the first dvd in the set, you should be able to perform a regular install |
| 11:36.51 | b0lt | Quest: netinst of course requires network |
| 11:37.03 | b0lt | you want a network anyway though, for extra stuff |
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| 11:37.32 | Quest | b0lt, iam on full install with kde. still the same error |
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| 11:38.12 | b0lt | Quest: well that error is not going anywhere unless you provide a network connection. you can most likely install without whatever you selected that made it look for a connection |
| 11:38.36 | Quest | ok |
| 11:38.44 | Quest | thx |
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| 11:42.45 | dpkg_ | b0lt: :) |
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| 11:44.34 | b0lt | ! |
| 11:44.37 | b0lt | that was rather slow |
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| 11:54.07 | woshty_ | dpkg down? |
| 11:54.08 | dpkg_ | down is probably negative up. |
| 11:54.28 | woshty_ | :) |
| 11:57.18 | __marco | hello, I am developing a program that is packaged for debian. I would like to create the deb package of the development version to distribuite it to some tester but the package version is always the same (Am I wrong to suppose that cames from debian/changelog?) how can I specify the debian version of the package without touching the debian/ stuff? |
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| 11:57.47 | __marco | Is not me that debianized the program and I don't want to do a mess |
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| 12:00.31 | h00ked | wohooo Debian on ISS |
| 12:01.04 | h00ked | but... why 6.1? |
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| 12:02.11 | ksk | h00ked: what else? 7.0? |
| 12:02.26 | ksk | not even companies will use it on release, why should a freakin space station do it? :> |
| 12:02.32 | h00ked | ksk: yep... probably gui i think... |
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| 12:03.03 | ksk | guess stability is something you need up there ;) |
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| 12:04.21 | h00ked | maybe there are planning this migrate for longer time, so they have.. "optimized" 6.1? i guess :) |
| 12:04.32 | h00ked | there/they |
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| 12:07.42 | jelly-home | h00ked: there's no such thing as Debian 6.1 anyways |
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| 12:10.49 | bewilled | What laptop brands run debian to its fullest? |
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| 12:14.28 | ChrisH | bewilled: Both of my HP Elitebook/Probook do it very well. My Dell Latitude are also working very well. |
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| 12:15.16 | bewilled | ChrisH: nice to know, I have an HP workstation at work and it runs like charm |
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| 12:19.51 | bewilled | I really don't care about periferals like fingerprint reader or keyboard shortcuts. I just want the to have the best out of all the procesors (ia64), ram. And of course, no one like overheating |
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| 12:20.14 | ChrisH | bewilled: I do not expect you have a Laptop with IA64 CPU! |
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| 12:21.19 | bewilled | yes, not intel. Just a 64 bit arch |
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| 12:27.37 | morad | petn-randall: hi,my problem is solved,thx |
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| 12:28.01 | morad | zeeflo: hi,my problem is solved,thx |
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| 12:29.25 | zeeflo | morad: yw |
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| 12:34.21 | petn-randall | morad: Great to hear. Did installing the firmware fix it? |
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| 12:39.14 | sdd6 | i've installed debian wheeze 64 bits, and when i lauch a program, i have a message : na ble to execute /usr/bin/unetbootin "rootcheck=no" as root user what is the problem please ? |
| 12:39.24 | sdd6 | no able to* |
| 12:39.52 | sdd6 | i come from ubuntu |
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| 12:40.34 | sdd6 | and in the same windows : su : authentification failed / gksu : waiting |
| 12:40.49 | sdd6 | the same with all programs i installed |
| 12:40.54 | morad | petn-randall: no,i updated with "dpkg --configure -a" it`s repaired |
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| 12:42.13 | sdd6 | ( |
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| 12:43.24 | babilen | sdd6: Did you use unetbootin to create your USB stick and did you install from USB? |
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| 12:43.49 | sdd6 | yes i do that all the time with ubuntu |
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| 12:44.05 | babilen | sdd6: And please paste your command (or commands) and their output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:44.16 | sdd6 | no i've installed unetbootin from synaptic |
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| 12:45.13 | sdd6 | i simply lauch unetbootin from menu ... |
| 12:45.21 | babilen | sdd6: unetbootin is known to break Debian installers and I would strongly recommend not to use it. The proper way of creating the USB stick is detailed in the <installation guide> in the section on <usb install> -- It boils down to running "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" though with /dev/sdX being the block device of your USB stick and something like /dev/sdb |
| 12:45.34 | sdd6 | ok, with firestarter too |
| 12:45.57 | sdd6 | too old ? |
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| 12:46.52 | babilen | sdd6: Okay, but you managed to install wheezy correctly? The problem now is that you cannot run unetbootin from the gnome menu as it complains with "na able to execute /usr/bin/unetbootin "rootcheck=no"" ? (should that be "unable" rather than "na ble" ?) |
| 12:46.53 | petn-randall | sdd6: It's still not too old. |
| 12:47.13 | babilen | sdd6: Are you logged in as root? |
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| 12:47.25 | sdd6 | no, simple user |
| 12:48.01 | sdd6 | and i type the root password when i lauch firestarter or unetbootin |
| 12:48.09 | petn-randall | sdd6: Are you in the sudo group? Check the output of 'id'. |
| 12:48.37 | sdd6 | only duso group, no root :/ |
| 12:48.44 | babilen | sdd6: Did you configure gksudo ? Could you try your users password? Are you a member of the "sudo" group? |
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| 12:49.38 | sdd6 | yes i'm a member of sudo group, no i've not configured gksudo |
| 12:49.40 | babilen | sdd6: Okay, could you try running "sudo unetbootin" on the console and check if that works? We can then figure out why it is not working when/if you run it from the menu. |
| 12:49.44 | sdd6 | i dont know gksudo |
| 12:49.49 | babilen | sure, np |
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| 12:49.58 | sdd6 | with the sudo command it work |
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| 12:50.40 | sdd6 | sudo firestarter or sudo unetbootin is ok without error message |
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| 12:50.57 | sdd6 | google is my friend ;) |
| 12:51.02 | sdd6 | but i dont understand |
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| 12:51.29 | sdd6 | should i be in root group ? |
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| 12:51.38 | babilen | no, there is no such group |
| 12:51.43 | babilen | one second |
| 12:51.48 | sdd6 | ok |
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| 12:53.19 | sdd6 | if a look unetbootin command in the menu : its /usr/bin/unetbootin, normal ? |
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| 12:53.29 | babilen | sdd6: Okay, when you run it from the menu you should be asked for your password. Could you try providing your user's password? Could you show me the output of "gconftool-2 --get /apps/gksu/sudo-mode" ? |
| 12:53.40 | petn-randall | babilen: Well, there is, I just wouldn't recommend it :) |
| 12:53.56 | babilen | petn-randall: okay, yeah ... sure .. *sigh* |
| 12:54.00 | sdd6 | false |
| 12:54.03 | killermoehre | hi. following setup: a working drbd with ocfs2. both works, except for the boot. at boot time, ocfs2 is started before drbd, so it fails. how can I change the order of loading? |
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| 12:56.31 | babilen | sdd6: Are you asked for your password when you run it from the menu? |
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| 12:57.04 | sdd6 | babilen: yes |
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| 12:57.49 | babilen | sdd6: You then provide your root password and you get the exact error "na ble to execute /usr/bin/unetbootin "rootcheck=no"" ? |
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| 12:58.08 | sdd6 | yes |
| 12:58.09 | sdd6 | ^^ |
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| 12:58.22 | babilen | sdd6: "na ble" or "unable" ? |
| 12:58.37 | sdd6 | what should be the normal lauch command for firestarter for example ? |
| 12:58.42 | sdd6 | yes enable |
| 12:58.46 | sdd6 | unable sry |
| 12:58.51 | sdd6 | i'm french.. |
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| 12:59.07 | sdd6 | wood keyboard ;p |
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| 12:59.21 | lancelot_of | yesterday night i suspended to disk (hibernated) and today morning at wake up the system rebooted instead of loading the freezed image...what happened? 3.2 kernel debian wheezy |
| 12:59.27 | babilen | sdd6: Okay, thanks. Could you run "gksudo /usr/bin/unetbootin" on the terminal and provide your user's password? Also try "gksu /usr/bin/unetbootin" and provide the root password. Same problem? |
| 12:59.34 | ksk_ | if your in X and program needs root-privileges somethinkg like "gksudo firesatarter" |
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| 13:00.09 | sdd6 | its ok with this command, it ask me the passwd and lauch ok |
| 13:00.18 | sdd6 | :) |
| 13:00.47 | sdd6 | the default command from menu whas root something |
| 13:01.00 | sdd6 | i've changed it |
| 13:01.04 | sdd6 | 2 days ago |
| 13:01.11 | sdd6 | asroot |
| 13:01.15 | sdd6 | i dont remember |
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| 13:02.18 | babilen | sdd6: The .desktop file shipped with unetbootin has "Exec=/usr/bin/unetbootin" as command. There is no indication of anything related to gksu or root or something. Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy unetbootin" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:02.40 | sdd6 | ok |
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| 13:04.23 | sdd6 | text language babilen? |
| 13:04.38 | babilen | sdd6: English would be preferred. |
| 13:04.51 | babilen | dpkg_: localised errors |
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| 13:05.06 | babilen | dselect: localised errors |
| 13:05.06 | dselect | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 13:06.52 | sdd6 | http://paste.debian.net/3915/ |
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| 13:07.55 | colo-work | I have a squeeze host where I use cpan2deb and reprepro to populate a repository of my own with packages built from cpan modules. what do I need to do in order be able to build those packages for wheezy instead of squeeze on that machine, without upgrading the machine to wheezy at this time? |
| 13:07.56 | babilen | sdd6: Okay, could you run "apt-get install debsums ; debsums unetbootin" and show me the output of that too? |
| 13:08.14 | babilen | sdd6: And you said that you changed the menu entry ... why did you do that? |
| 13:08.30 | sdd6 | because it doesn't work :p |
| 13:08.52 | sdd6 | install ok |
| 13:09.20 | babilen | sdd6: Okay, so ... you changed it from what to what? May I see the output of that command? |
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| 13:10.06 | sdd6 | http://paste.debian.net/3917/ |
| 13:10.43 | petn-randall | colo-work: Without looking at cpan2deb, you could use a wheezy chroot to do that. |
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| 13:11.29 | colo-work | I just doscovered that cpan2deb (which apparently is a wrapper around dh-make-perl - I inherited that system and used it according to internal docs only until now :)) has a "--dist" switch |
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| 13:11.32 | colo-work | trying that out now |
| 13:11.38 | babilen | sdd6: You have installed a broken pidgin package from some random PPA btw. May I see your sources.list please? |
| 13:12.05 | sdd6 | etc/sourceslist? |
| 13:12.15 | petn-randall | sdd6: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:12.21 | sdd6 | ok |
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| 13:13.10 | sdd6 | http://paste.debian.net/3918/ |
| 13:13.34 | sdd6 | if you have a good sourcelist i take ! :p |
| 13:13.43 | babilen | sdd6: What about "apt-cache policy pidgin-ppa" ? |
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| 13:14.23 | babilen | sdd6: http://paste.debian.net/3919/ is sensible, but yours is fine |
| 13:14.44 | babilen | well, you might want to enable all suits for deb-src that you enable for deb entries |
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| 13:15.08 | sdd6 | http://paste.debian.net/3920/ |
| 13:15.28 | babilen | But I have to run now ... I can't quite put my finger on what is going on here yet, but I blame your changes to the command in your menu for now. Would you mind purgin unetbootin and reinstalling it again? And I have no idea where your "asroot" command might have come from as it is not mentioned in the unetbootin package we ship at all. |
| 13:15.49 | sdd6 | yep |
| 13:16.37 | AndroUser | Is it possible to install Debian live? |
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| 13:17.06 | babilen | sdd6: See, for example, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624279 for the bugreport in question. I have no idea how/where your entry came from .... |
| 13:17.11 | sdd6 | its just /usr/bin/unetbootin |
| 13:17.42 | sdd6 | but firestarter entry whas with root content i remember |
| 13:17.48 | beardy | AndroUser: Yes. |
| 13:18.12 | AndroUser | How ? |
| 13:18.33 | babilen | AndroUser: yes, you can install Debian. See <install debian> for further information and read the <installation guide> if you are unsure about something. I'd recommend to use <firmware images> if you have a working internet connection. You can also install from the live cds, but I am not too familiar with that. You might want to ask about that in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:18.41 | beardy | AndroUser: If you run the installer while booted, and probably also when booting with it from the live image, the live system is installed, same packages and setup is installed. |
| 13:18.48 | beardy | AndroUser: ..as is on hte live image. |
| 13:19.05 | babilen | AndroUser: You can message our bot about all the things in <…> with, for example, "/msg dpkg install debian" |
| 13:19.25 | beardy | AndroUser: Since I quite liked the live images (the XFCE one in my case) I have used it to install a fex boxes. |
| 13:19.27 | sdd6 | AndroidBeing: or test debian net install :p |
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| 13:19.37 | beardy | few* |
| 13:19.38 | sdd6 | install your system up to date |
| 13:21.12 | sdd6 | babilen: thanks i'll modify unetbootin entry for gksudo and its ok |
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| 13:21.45 | AndroUser | Ok so the normal live cd should work ? |
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| 13:22.09 | sdd6 | andatche_: you should have a install button on your desktop |
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| 13:22.22 | sdd6 | AndroidBeing: .. |
| 13:22.39 | sdd6 | AndroUser: sorry |
| 13:22.46 | sdd6 | tired ^^ |
| 13:23.12 | sdd6 | AndroUser: and some live cd dont have this option |
| 13:23.28 | AndroUser | I guess its better for my Stück |
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| 13:23.35 | sdd6 | AndroUser: in command line you should, i dont know this command |
| 13:23.42 | beardy | AndroUser: There is no "normal" one. Exact url of what you have? |
| 13:24.05 | sdd6 | stuck? |
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| 13:24.25 | AndroUser | Thxx |
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| 13:25.08 | martian67 | http://debian-multimedia.org/ whats going on with this site :s |
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| 13:25.28 | AndroUser | Bye |
| 13:25.37 | sdd6 | martian67: lol |
| 13:25.51 | beardy | AndroUser: See you on the installed system. |
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| 13:26.36 | themill | martian67: that site moved months ago |
| 13:26.47 | martian67 | where is it now |
| 13:26.52 | themill | (and is best avoided anyway) |
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| 13:29.14 | b0lt | what's with all the netsplitting? :S |
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| 13:29.40 | martian67 | welcome to freenode |
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| 13:30.01 | sdd6 | digital war :x |
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| 13:30.11 | beardy | !sing sussudio |
| 13:30.11 | dpkg_ | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
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| 13:30.22 | sdd6 | sudo !! |
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| 13:30.55 | sdd6 | thanks for your help babilen |
| 13:31.02 | b0lt | !lart beardy |
| 13:31.03 | dpkg_ | moos at beardy |
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| 13:31.54 | martian67 | themill, its unfortunate it has to exist, but its just plain not possible for debian to include the codecs those repos do |
| 13:32.07 | martian67 | there is just nothing that can be done about it |
| 13:32.08 | beardy | martian67: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 13:32.23 | themill | martian67: actually, that's not true. |
| 13:32.25 | beardy | dpkg_ today |
| 13:32.39 | petn-randall | dselect: today |
| 13:32.39 | dselect | Known issues with daily developmental builds of the Debian Installer are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today . See also <transition> and the /topic of #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:32.43 | martian67 | themill, i thought it was stupid patent issues |
| 13:32.44 | themill | beardy: dpkg_ seems to be having a holiday, try dselect |
| 13:33.01 | beardy | themill: Answered me. |
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| 13:34.03 | themill | martian67: dmm contains a few very low quality packages that are too crap for debian and some things that are not legally distributable at all (not even in non-free, like acroread). About the only thing that dmm carries that fits your description is libdvdcss. |
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| 13:34.21 | beardy | martian67: That and simillar nonsense. Maybe themill is right to some xtent, but I doubt fully, you probably have to use dmm for some things. |
| 13:34.28 | martian67 | what about ffmpeg with all the codecs turned on |
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| 13:34.40 | themill | martian67: what about it? |
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| 13:35.03 | martian67 | debians version dosent have everything enabled |
| 13:35.08 | s98259 | :/ |
| 13:35.08 | martian67 | or at least didnt |
| 13:35.17 | themill | I'm yet to find anything it doesn't handle. |
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| 13:35.23 | s98259 | Locked out of SSH :( |
| 13:35.30 | s98259 | oh oh back up! :D |
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| 13:36.56 | beardy | dpkg_: ping |
| 13:37.08 | babilen | dselect: ping |
| 13:37.10 | dselect | pong |
| 13:37.11 | babilen | beardy: ^^ |
| 13:37.26 | martian67 | themill, if stuff like h.264 is enabled how does debian get around the patent trolls |
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| 13:38.29 | beardy | babilen: It answers in /msg. Is it some imposter bot? |
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| 13:39.01 | jelly-home | dselect: who owns you |
| 13:39.01 | dselect | dondelelcaro does |
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| 13:39.14 | abrotman | dselect: who loves you |
| 13:39.14 | dselect | wish i knew, abrotman |
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| 13:39.22 | beardy | It's in the bots channel so norp, don't think so. |
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| 13:40.19 | babilen | beardy: No, it is our backup bot if dpkg is throwing a fit. Not sure about dpkg_ |
| 13:40.27 | beardy | ... |
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| 13:41.12 | babilen | Make that "Not sure what's going on with dpkg (now dpkg_)" |
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| 13:44.13 | colo-work | what's the best way to query pre-existing .deb file in the filesystem (iow: not in apt repository) for dependency information? |
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| 13:44.39 | babilen | colo-work: dpkg -I the.deb |
| 13:44.40 | caf | colo-work: dpkg-deb |
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| 13:44.49 | colo-work | babilen, thanks |
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| 13:45.12 | colo-work | exactly what I was looking/hoping for :) |
| 13:45.16 | babilen | colo-work: That essentially calls dpkg-deb though ;) |
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| 13:45.27 | colo-work | I see :) |
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| 13:46.00 | caf | i guess i'm too oldschool, dpkg didn't do that in the past |
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| 13:46.20 | ^7heo | hey people |
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| 13:46.49 | ^7heo | what is the tool used to generate the the initrd.gz initramfs in debian? |
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| 13:48.29 | ^7heo | yay! freenode! Ask a question and have it flushed away by a netsplit! Fuck yeah! |
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| 13:49.15 | jelly-home | ^7heo: ignore joins/parts, it helps |
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| 13:49.34 | jelly-home | ^7heo: also, update-initramfs |
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| 13:49.55 | ^7heo | jelly-home: thanks :) |
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| 13:50.15 | ^7heo | jelly-home: yeah but when I ignore join/parts I also have to /names all the time |
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| 13:50.25 | ^7heo | just to check that people are still here. |
| 13:50.31 | jelly-home | ^7heo: no you don't, just use the tab key |
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| 13:50.59 | ^7heo | autocompletion sucks in irssi, and it's the less bad client I've found so far :) |
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| 13:51.08 | ^7heo | anyway, thank you very much for your information. |
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| 13:51.46 | jelly-home | weird, even xchat does is acceptably well. Mayhaps weechat would be more to your liking, or maybe there's a tunable or two |
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| 13:51.51 | jelly-home | it* |
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| 13:52.09 | beardy | "it"? |
| 13:52.11 | ^7heo | jelly-home: I've tried weechat; and it's probably better than irssi by many aspects. |
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| 13:52.28 | ^7heo | jelly-home: but I find it way more arcane, and so it's not something I will use... |
| 13:52.47 | beardy | ^7heo: Even with a silly nick like that autocompletion works nicely with just a "7" in irssi. |
| 13:52.57 | ^7heo | beardy: for that, yes. |
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| 13:53.15 | ^7heo | beardy: now, it also mistakes people when you want to talk to someone who just talked to you. |
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| 13:53.42 | ^7heo | for example, say, Bry8Star3 did just talked to me, and I wanted to answer |
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| 13:53.57 | ^7heo | the first b<tab> autocompletion would have been beardy |
| 13:54.06 | beardy | This time it worked though. ;) |
| 13:54.14 | beardy | It was Bry8Star3 for me. |
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| 13:54.28 | ^7heo | yeah, you don't talk to yourself :P |
| 13:54.40 | beardy | Oh I do, almost always. |
| 13:54.44 | ^7heo | huhu |
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| 13:54.55 | ^7heo | anyway, I have to take time to try out suckless's ircc |
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| 13:55.14 | ^7heo | that way i won't annoy you for netsplits anymore. |
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| 13:55.33 | beardy | You could filter joins/parts, but yeah, try something else then. |
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| 13:56.10 | ^7heo | as I said, filtering the join/parts is not handy when you have to /names often |
| 13:56.31 | beardy | I didn't read that, it must have been washed away! |
| 13:56.37 | ^7heo | if only the /names buffer was clearable, much as /lastlog is... |
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| 13:56.57 | beardy | I would have like that, and for /topic to go away too. |
| 13:57.15 | ^7heo | yeah |
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| 13:57.58 | ^7heo | or better yet, to be able to have names displayed when pressing a specific shortcuts, and hidden when relased |
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| 13:58.10 | ^7heo | much like with the tab key in online FPS games. |
| 13:58.25 | beardy | ^7heo: I have some script I put in ages ago which gives /users, outputs to a separate window |
| 13:58.30 | ^7heo | afterall, irc is a multiplayer notepad. |
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| 13:58.52 | ^7heo | beardy: yeah, that could work. |
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| 13:59.14 | killermoehre | hi. is it possible to set up the libvirt-bin init script in this way that it's not started at boot, but can be started later by hand? |
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| 13:59.49 | christoff522 | debian posse hitting it up, yo bro's! |
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| 14:01.05 | jhutchins_wk | killermoehre: Do you know what causes it to be started at boot? |
| 14:01.30 | beardy | ^7heo: http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/users.pl |
| 14:02.01 | ^7heo | beardy: you know, I have 2kb of ram free |
| 14:02.03 | ^7heo | and no swap |
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| 14:02.09 | ^7heo | so i'll look into it but... |
| 14:02.10 | killermoehre | jhutchins_wk: no, I don't know |
| 14:02.25 | beardy | ^7heo: How much is actually used? |
| 14:03.40 | jhutchins_wk | killermoehre: I think this is a pretty good explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init |
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| 14:04.58 | jhutchins_wk | killermoehre: Simple answer is to use something like update-rc.d to turn it off by default, then you cna start it manually. |
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| 14:08.17 | themill | killermoehre: you could put something in the shell snippet in /etc/default/libvirt-bin that disables the init script if it is being run at boot. |
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| 14:20.12 | ^7heo | beardy: 127MB |
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| 14:21.39 | Quest | my debian with kde gets me to the login screen again when I had given user name and password before. it keeps on happening. why so ? |
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| 14:26.15 | nkuttler | Quest: check ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:26.41 | teliti | Hi guys, I just tried "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and set it to "German" ... but there's no German keyboard layout using Xorg later. Is there something new to 7.0? |
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| 14:29.01 | teliti | nkuttler: yes |
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| 14:34.57 | boodie | Hi; after I managed to get X back to work, it is excellent graphics etc., but quite crashy, i.e. when called "system monitor", it froze: http://paste.debian.net/3934/ |
| 14:35.05 | Quest | my debian with kde gets me to the login screen again when I had given user name and password before. it keeps on happening. why so ? |
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| 14:36.51 | mumpitze1 | Quest: the windowmanager it starts crashes or exits |
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| 14:37.01 | Quest | mumpitze1, how to fix it? |
| 14:37.09 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know how to specify a port with backup ninja for duplicty with paramiko backend |
| 14:37.12 | tuxcrafter | in 7.0 |
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| 14:37.18 | tuxcrafter | it broke |
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| 14:37.20 | boodie | I set up gdm3 ... maybe it was a mistake, I don't know. Is there a way to knock down an X session when it freezes (i.e. ctrl-alt-bcksp)? |
| 14:37.26 | lancelot_of | yesterday night i suspended to disk (hibernated) and today morning at wake up the system rebooted instead of loading the freezed image...what happened? 3.2 kernel debian wheezy |
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| 14:37.53 | boodie | Wheezy seems rather temperamental ... |
| 14:37.58 | mumpitze1 | Quest: you find out what happened first |
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| 14:38.17 | Quest | mumpitze1, how. its a fresh install and i just logged in once succesfully |
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| 14:38.41 | mumpitze1 | is it me or is everyone asking "what happened?" as if we had a crystal ball? don't people ever think one bit before hacking into the keyboard? |
| 14:38.55 | mumpitze1 | Quest: buy checking logs |
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| 14:41.10 | P_B | boodie, switch to another terminal, run top, kill the xorg session |
| 14:41.18 | lancelot_of | mumpitze1, db6sdb8 today morning told me he would have checked out...but he/she seems to be not here...so i asked again in order to know if it's a known issue |
| 14:41.29 | mestri | htop much better |
| 14:41.53 | lancelot_of | i googled out but no hints found...i've already thought before hacking into keyboard... |
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| 14:46.24 | Quest | mumpitze1, where are those logs ? |
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| 14:47.11 | Alternativend | Hi there |
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| 14:47.33 | ^7heo | well everyone |
| 14:47.39 | ^7heo | I have to part now |
| 14:47.39 | Alamo777__ | Hello |
| 14:47.44 | Alternativend | Does Theo debian Live cd Providers an install Option? |
| 14:47.49 | ^7heo | thank you jelly-home for your help ;) |
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| 14:48.12 | ^7heo | o/ |
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| 14:48.24 | Alternativend | Shitty T9, sorry |
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| 14:48.44 | Alamo777__ | How i can check the load on my debian+nginx+php+mysql webserver? How i can know when it will go down? I want to give a high load and see what will happen |
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| 14:49.27 | Alternativend | Alamo777__: Nagios? |
| 14:49.36 | Alamo777__ | Alternativend, what is it? |
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| 14:50.08 | Alternativend | Nagios Is a monitoring System |
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| 14:50.55 | Alamo777__ | Alternativend, oh, i want to give som artificial requests to my webserver and see how many visitors it will carry before go down |
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| 14:51.01 | mumpitze1 | Quest: ~/.xsession-errors for example |
| 14:51.14 | Alternativend | Hmh |
| 14:51.26 | cinch | Alam_Squeeze, apache bench does that |
| 14:51.30 | mumpitze1 | Alternativend: the debian live installer is the same installer in the installer ISOs |
| 14:51.47 | cinch | Alam_Squeeze, oops wrong nick, meant Alamo777__ |
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| 14:52.15 | Alamo777__ | cinch, i am sorry i dont understand, i have wheezy if this is what you ask |
| 14:52.21 | mumpitze1 | Alternativend: at the end, tasksel allows you to install various tasks. most experienced debian users ignore it and install stuff later when they want/need it via apt-get/aptitude |
| 14:52.29 | Alternativend | Mumpitze1, nothing spezial to let it Run better fromm cd ? |
| 14:52.43 | mumpitze1 | what do you mean "let it run better"? |
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| 14:53.00 | cinch | Alamo777__, install apache and run "ab" to test http |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | Alamo777__: you use 'ab' to supply the load, use normal system tools to see how it responds |
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| 14:53.07 | mumpitze1 | debian live is nothing to install. it's a live cd after all |
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| 14:53.28 | Alternativend | I warnt to install it on a usb stick |
| 14:53.38 | mumpitze1 | then use a normal installer |
| 14:53.50 | mumpitze1 | a usb stick is just the same as any hdd or ssd |
| 14:54.05 | Alternativend | It isnt very fast |
| 14:54.12 | Alamo777__ | cinch, i am sorry, i have already installed nginx and the webserver is running, i just need to know how many visitors it may carry, i dont want error complains from visitors later |
| 14:54.12 | mumpitze1 | fast enough |
| 14:55.01 | Alternativend | Most live cds have home funcions to legt it run fromm ram right? |
| 14:55.03 | cinch | Alamo777__, then do some stress testing like the mentioned "apache bench" program will do |
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| 14:55.29 | mumpitze1 | yes. so put a debian livecd on your usb stick |
| 14:56.04 | Quest | mumpitze1, mm. wheres that located. iam a bit new to debian |
| 14:56.04 | mumpitze1 | tho, what runs in ram is /home and such. not the installed programs: they stay on disk in a (compressed) filesystem |
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| 14:56.21 | Alternativend | But with that i cannot sage permanently |
| 14:56.21 | mumpitze1 | Quest: ~/.xsession-errors is the full and complete path. |
| 14:56.41 | Alamo777__ | cinch, ok i will look into that, thanks! Are you sure there is no any other way to test it? Or maybe write some scripts that will begin requesting pages like artificial visitors? |
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| 14:56.52 | mumpitze1 | Alternativend: knoppix can |
| 14:57.11 | cinch | Alamo777__, yea there's a bunch of tools that do that, or write your own |
| 14:57.22 | Alternativend | Yes knoppix Is fast even fromm usb |
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| 14:57.49 | Alamo777__ | cinch, that would be a hard task, i will try to ask python guys, thanks |
| 14:57.58 | Quest | mumpitze1, thanks |
| 14:57.58 | mumpitze1 | no. knoppix uses unionfs to let you save stuff |
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| 14:58.52 | Alternativend | Last time I habe Trier to install wheezy to a stick It failed with Grub |
| 14:59.18 | Alternativend | Have tried |
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| 14:59.29 | Alternativend | Sorry T9 again |
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| 15:00.41 | Alternativend | Ok so You say, should install normal debian to a stick or try it with Knoppix? |
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| 15:03.28 | cinch | Alamo777__, http://archive09.linux.com/feature/143896 |
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| 15:04.13 | dokma | how to tell if a daemon like postfix is listening on a public ip? |
| 15:04.13 | Alamo777__ | cinch, tools? |
| 15:04.52 | Alamo777__ | cinch, very interesting, thanks for sharing!! |
| 15:05.02 | Alamo777__ | cinch, very nice!! |
| 15:05.09 | abrotman | dokma: netstat or look at its config |
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| 15:05.20 | Alternativend | dokma, nmap? |
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| 15:05.34 | dokma | thanks |
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| 15:33.39 | Lachezar | Hey all... I'm having a bit of an 'issue': a package was installed, but was then removed, and the newer version is a virtual package that installs another package. When I try to 'aptitude purge' the original package it says 'ignoring request to remove ??????? which isn't installed'. I have to manually install the newer version, and it's dependencies, and then purge all the newly installed packages. |
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| 15:37.32 | gueux_ | additional co-maintainers to the python interpreter package. |
| 15:37.42 | gueux_ | ", has it been done yet? |
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| 15:48.13 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 15:48.41 | johnfg | I need to reconfigure or edit grub.cfg, after a successful install of wheezy. |
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| 15:49.34 | johnfg | I still have squeeze as my server, and it's on sda. Wheezy is on sdb. however, the grub-install from wheezy didn't recognize squeeze. |
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| 15:50.24 | jhutchins_wk | Lachezar: Is there some reason you don't want to tell us what the actual package is? |
| 15:50.27 | johnfg | So, I'm in rescue mode from the wheezy install dvd. |
| 15:50.43 | johnfg | what do I need to do to fix grub? |
| 15:51.22 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Probably just run update-grub. |
| 15:51.41 | Lachezar | jhutchins_wk: it's gcalctool (in Xubuntu), that now is 'replaced' by gnome-calculator. |
| 15:51.59 | grobda24 | johnfg: if the rescue mode instructions don't work for restoring grub then boot a live distro and reinstall grub using that |
| 15:52.10 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: I ran the reinstall grub from the rescue, but that didn't work. |
| 15:52.14 | jhutchins_wk | Lachezar: It sounds like you've solved the problem, which sounds like it might be an upgrade bug. |
| 15:52.44 | petn-randall | Lachezar: Support for Ubuntu is in #ubuntu, not here, sorry. |
| 15:52.50 | Lachezar | jhutchins_wk: I've found a 'workaround', but I had to install packages, that I did not want to install. |
| 15:52.57 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: update-grub runs the osprober script which might find the other install. Otherwise you can add it manually to /etc/defaults/grub then run update-grub again. |
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| 15:53.13 | jhutchins_wk | Lachezar: I consider that to be normal for gnome. |
| 15:53.22 | johnfg | Should I choose /dev/sdb1, the root partition for wheezy for root in rescue mode? Or should I choose /dev/sda3, the root partitiion for squeeze? |
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| 15:53.55 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: Also, I ran grub-mkconfig instead of the grub-update (which you're probably right is the correct one). |
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| 15:54.31 | johnfg | does it matter which I choose for the root partition in wheezy's rescue mode? |
| 15:54.34 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Your BIOS (or boot menu) usually determines which device's MBR gets read for boot. I would expect this is (still) sda. You do not want to install grub to a partition, that will only work if you chain load it from another bootloader. |
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| 15:55.25 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: right, and I told the grub install script, at initial install, to install grub to /dev/sda. |
| 15:55.36 | norway80 | how can i install a nice boot screen to my debian system? |
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| 15:56.04 | johnfg | So: tell rescue /dev/sda3-squeeze, or /dev/sdb1-wheezy for the root partition? |
| 15:56.08 | petn-randall | norway80: plymouth would be an option. |
| 15:56.47 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: I don't know if it's a bug or if it's intentional, but debian often does not configure other OSs on it's initial install. This causes it to default to booting only the new install until you run update-grub manually. |
| 15:57.04 | norway80 | yeah woud plymouth be as seemless as in opensuse? |
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| 15:57.33 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: I would run update-grub, then I would do grub-install from the new system. That should cause grub to look to the boot menu on sdb, which should contain both systems. |
| 15:57.35 | petn-randall | norway80: If you don't use the non-free drivers of AMD/Nvidia, yes. |
| 15:57.45 | Canar | norway80: last i checked, the X/plymouth handoff isn't fluid like in some places |
| 15:57.45 | jhutchins_wk | norway80: Probably not. |
| 15:57.58 | Canar | but that's back when squeeze was stable :) |
| 15:58.16 | jhutchins_wk | Canar: A whole week ago? |
| 15:58.26 | petn-randall | On my wheezy laptop on intel graphics the hand-off is seemless. |
| 15:58.27 | norway80 | hm isen open suse using plymouth? |
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| 15:59.12 | jhutchins_wk | norway80: You're asking this of a bunch of Debian users. |
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| 15:59.44 | lotsaquestions | im having trouble with my motherboard and debian. there is a pnp and io resource conflict. any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 15:59.52 | acu | can I format a 3 TB with GPT during Wheezy install ? (The hard disk is preformated with MBR and cannot see more than 2GB) ? |
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| 16:00.34 | petn-randall | lotsaquestions: How does the problem show? |
| 16:01.10 | petn-randall | acu: I don't remember the exact option, but somewhere in the installer you can format the disk with a GPT. |
| 16:01.15 | johnfg | Here's what I did: told rescue mode to use /dev/sda1 as my root partition. |
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| 16:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: So you should be in the squeeze install then. |
| 16:02.16 | lotsaquestions | well, my dmesg output there are quiet a few lines that say something like this : pnp 00:07: io resource (0x80-0x80) overlaps 0000:00:0c.0 BAR 0 (0x0-oxff), disabling |
| 16:02.22 | lotsaquestions | there are quiet a few lines of those |
| 16:02.24 | acu | petn-randall do I need to chose expert install ? |
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| 16:02.58 | lotsaquestions | im asuming, not sure, that there is a conflict between something? possibly pnp detection and irq assingment |
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| 16:03.50 | s98259 | I assigned a second IP address and since I did that I can't get any network connectivity, why is that? |
| 16:04.00 | s98259 | here is the output of ifconfig http://pastebin.com/PrhppRBj |
| 16:04.04 | s98259 | there you go... |
| 16:04.06 | s98259 | I just pinged |
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| 16:05.18 | ChrisH_ | dpkg_: tell s98259 about pastebin.com |
| 16:05.35 | s98259 | ... |
| 16:05.41 | ChrisH_ | s98259: Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :( please use paste.debian.net |
| 16:05.42 | s98259 | ChrisH_: Whyy you doing that? |
| 16:05.46 | s98259 | okies |
| 16:05.59 | s98259 | you could've just said that to my face |
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| 16:06.29 | jelly-home | s98259: which debian release is that? Do you have iproute installed? |
| 16:06.45 | ChrisH | s98259: dpkg knows all the reasons why not using pastebin and dpkg knows much more usefull stuff :) |
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| 16:06.53 | s98259 | http://paste.debian.net/3949/ |
| 16:07.00 | jhutchins_wk | Pastebin.com is also blocked by major blocking/filtering services. |
| 16:07.11 | s98259 | jelly-home: debian 7 |
| 16:07.35 | s98259 | yes iproute is installed. |
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| 16:07.54 | ChrisH | s98259: I do only see one IP Address installed 10.1.1.3/24 on eth0:0 no second one |
| 16:08.03 | jelly-home | s98259: pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r", then |
| 16:08.05 | mbor | hi! any way for "cp" to only copy to destination if file doesn't already exists? |
| 16:08.09 | s98259 | ChrisH: duh |
| 16:08.19 | jhutchins_wk | lotsaquestions: There might be settings in the BIOS that could help with that. |
| 16:08.20 | mbor | I can only think of using rsync |
| 16:08.22 | s98259 | eth0 = one interface |
| 16:08.44 | ksk | mbor: -n i guess, see man cp |
| 16:09.27 | mbor | ksk: how did I miss that in the man page, lol. thx! |
| 16:09.40 | s98259 | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/3950/ |
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| 16:09.48 | ChrisH | s98259: do not tell me about nics, I know that. But you wrote "< s98259> I assigned a second IP address " and in the paste there is only one IP assigned. |
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| 16:10.05 | lotsaquestions | thanks for respinding jhutchins_wk. i have bios settings that allow me to change whethere it is a pnp os or not. i have the settings to no, and i have tried also the settings with yes and i still get the same error |
| 16:10.17 | jelly-home | s98259: there is just one IP address defined. In addition, there is no default route set. |
| 16:10.22 | s98259 | ChrisH: That's according to ipconfig |
| 16:10.27 | s98259 | clearly something went wrong |
| 16:10.34 | lotsaquestions | fyi its an old motherboard, an asus 8v |
| 16:10.34 | jelly-home | s98259: what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
| 16:10.35 | s98259 | but I personally defo assigned 2 IPs |
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| 16:10.43 | s98259 | ... |
| 16:10.45 | jelly-home | s98259: how did you do it? |
| 16:10.47 | s98259 | oh |
| 16:10.50 | s98259 | mistead that |
| 16:10.54 | s98259 | *miread |
| 16:10.56 | s98259 | gah! |
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| 16:10.59 | jhutchins_wk | s98259: I think the point is that whatever you MEANT to do, you only assigned 1. |
| 16:11.02 | s98259 | *misfuckinread |
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| 16:11.08 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 16:11.08 | s98259 | jhutchins_wk: nope |
| 16:11.09 | dpkg_ | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:11.11 | s98259 | I assigned 2 |
| 16:11.15 | s98259 | and I am going to show you |
| 16:11.39 | s98259 | Gah! |
| 16:11.45 | s98259 | the subnet mask is wrong |
| 16:11.47 | s98259 | correcting... |
| 16:12.09 | ChrisH | s98259: Please pastebin contenten of /etc/network/interfaces ; netstat -rnv ; ifconfig -a if correcting the subnetmask does not fix it |
| 16:12.21 | s98259 | okies back online |
| 16:12.45 | jelly-home | ChrisH: "ip a" and "ip r" show more information than, now obsolete, ifconfig and netstat -rn |
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| 16:13.03 | s98259 | :3 |
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| 16:14.06 | ChrisH | jelly-home: I assume I did mention it before. As I need to work on Debian, Solaris, HPUX I need to focus on a set of portable commands and all of them are still portable. ip a and ip r do neither work on Solaris nor HP/UX. So I will still stuck to the old ones. |
| 16:14.35 | jelly-home | ChrisH: you're going to miss important settings on Linux, then |
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| 16:14.55 | s98259 | Gah I hate supybot when it doesn't come back up! O.o |
| 16:15.05 | jelly-home | ChrisH: ifconfig can, and does, completely miss already set IP addresses in some cases |
| 16:15.10 | s98259 | oh it just came back up :o |
| 16:15.11 | johnfg | Nope, I meant /dev/sdb1, ran update-grub, and at reboot, all I get is a grub prompt :-( |
| 16:15.14 | s98259 | thnx! :D |
| 16:15.16 | s98259 | okies :3 |
| 16:15.20 | SuperNull | er-mah-gerd where is dpkg |
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| 16:15.23 | Alamo777__ | Is there a way i can connect with LAN to my pc and install debian without need of display and other parts to connect to that machine? |
| 16:15.34 | jelly-home | SuperNull: use dselect in the meantimg |
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| 16:15.45 | SuperNull | he still have the squeeze -> what ever stuff ? |
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| 16:15.58 | jelly-home | SuperNull: /msg dselect squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:16.21 | SuperNull | yey thanks. |
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| 16:16.28 | SuperNull | i used dpkg all the time for the apt list ;) lol |
| 16:16.29 | johnfg | so, i'm rebooting into rescue mode. it will ask what's my root partition. What would you recommend? |
| 16:16.33 | s98259 | ssh: connect to host 10.1.1.2 port 22: Connection refused |
| 16:16.34 | s98259 | Gah! |
| 16:17.04 | johnfg | this is the wheezy install dvd, and the new install root partition is /dev/sdb1. |
| 16:17.06 | s98259 | Now I can't even gain serial access |
| 16:17.18 | johnfg | for squeeze, the root partition is /dev/sdb3. |
| 16:17.30 | s98259 | johnfg: Not really |
| 16:17.46 | johnfg | for squeeze the root partition is /dev/sda3, I meant. |
| 16:17.47 | s98259 | the root partition is /dev/sda1 |
| 16:17.47 | s98259 | :3 |
| 16:17.56 | johnfg | s98259: what? |
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| 16:18.05 | s98259 | well according to my HDD it's mounted to /dev/sda1 |
| 16:18.06 | s98259 | O.o |
| 16:18.22 | s98259 | er... |
| 16:18.22 | s98259 | not to that |
| 16:18.22 | jelly-home | s98259: do not write crap in the channel, or I will suddently remember you're evading a ban |
| 16:18.22 | s98259 | but you know what I mount |
| 16:18.23 | s98259 | er... |
| 16:18.24 | s98259 | mean |
| 16:18.31 | s98259 | jelly-home: What? |
| 16:18.37 | s98259 | I'm not writing crap, I'm supporting. |
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| 16:18.44 | themill | fsvo support |
| 16:18.47 | jelly-home | last warning |
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| 16:20.35 | ChrisH | Alamo777__: yes... but its not that easy. How often do you need to install? |
| 16:20.49 | Alamo777__ | ChrisH, what you mean how often? |
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| 16:22.11 | ChrisH | Alamo777__: If you only need to install 1 System per Year or month _I_ would put a monitor and keyboard to the device. If I need to install 3 System per day headless I would consider setting up some install server. Thats what I meant by how often. |
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| 16:23.24 | johnfg | So, running update-grub in rescue mode, having chosen /dev/sdb1 as my root partition, I rebooted to a grub prompt. What should I try next? |
| 16:23.40 | Alamo777__ | ChrisH, oh i see, i need to install it 1 time ever, but i hav only 1 keyboard and monitor :) so it is not convenient for me to do this, what is the hard way? |
| 16:25.38 | johnfg | Actually, to state it better: it's asking what device to use for the root file system. |
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| 16:27.26 | ChrisH | Alamo777__: Why do you need the other System during installation? |
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| 16:28.30 | Alamo777__ | ChrisH, i dont need anything else, i want to install Debian server on that machine, it is currntly has windows xp installed, so i want just access it remotely and install debian and nothing else,but remotely and access it also remotely |
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| 16:31.13 | Alamo777__ | ChrisH, so i want that computer to be some slave server so i could pass there some crappy tasks to run that i dont want to run on my usual working machine, thats why i want it fully be controllable "remotely" |
| 16:31.19 | johnfg | I'm kinda stuck here. Any ideas what to do from a shell in the root environment? |
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| 16:33.14 | ChrisH | You can remote connect to the installer after a while, but you need to start from any local console, keyboard. IIRC your need debian preseed like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed to get it working. |
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| 16:33.14 | mumpitze1 | johnfg: you should reinstall grub properly so it won't come back to a grub prompt |
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| 16:33.14 | ChrisH | dpkg_: tell Alamo777__ about preseed |
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| 16:33.14 | ChrisH | Alamo777__: You can remote connect to the installer after a while, but you need to start from any local console, keyboard. IIRC your need debian preseed like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed to get it working. |
| 16:33.53 | Alamo777__ | ChrisH, by the way the machine is oldy so it may not work with traditional modern way to install it, anyway if i need a keyboard then i have also to shut down my pc and work with that pc, |
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| 17:50.57 | jhutchins_wk | LLckfan: Seeing as how niether chrome nor flash are made by debian... |
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| 17:51.05 | jhutchins_wk | LLckfan: WHere did you install them from? |
| 17:51.41 | alexidoia | hi there, power has been cut off while doing a diet-upgrade. My system does no longer boot and I have rebooted on a rescue boot. The damaged system is on a partition that I have mounted manually, my question is how to resume the apt-get dist-upgrade on that partition (if possible) |
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| 17:52.52 | msn | i am trying to setup plymouth and it gives me error startpar; services returned failure: plymouth and oddly it also stops X from starting |
| 17:53.09 | ompaul | alexidoia: umount the partition and fdisk it to start with, then reboot if it boots try apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade however I suspect you will be told to apt-get -f install which you do - follow though with more apt-get update and dist-upgrade |
| 17:53.46 | ompaul | alexidoia: also I assume you mean dist-upgrade not diet-upgrade which in truth I never read aboutuntil a couple of minutes ago :) |
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| 17:54.34 | alexidoia | ompaul: I have done a fsck -fy on the device and apart from (/: 79097/656000 files (6.7% non-contiguous), 814879/1311297 blocks) every thing is alright |
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| 17:54.43 | alexidoia | thing is, it does not want to reboot |
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| 17:55.02 | alexidoia | ompaul: yes dist-upgrade :) |
| 17:55.13 | alexidoia | its my auto-corrector ! |
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| 17:55.33 | tharkun_ | Why morituri is not on wheezy? |
| 17:55.55 | ompaul | alexidoia: I've to run away |
| 17:55.59 | Quix86 | alright, I want 256 colors in terminal. This computer is too slow to run X. I can't get fbterm working properly |
| 17:56.01 | Quix86 | what should I do? |
| 17:56.15 | alexidoia | anyone to tell me what else I can do ? |
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| 17:56.50 | tharkun_ | Quix86: What do you need to do? |
| 17:56.54 | nkuttler | alexidoia: chroot into your filesystem and apt-get -f install |
| 17:57.06 | tharkun_ | There are a lot of cli programs that will do almost anything you might need |
| 17:57.17 | Quix86 | tharkun_, I just want the extra colors in terminal since I use this computer entirely from terminal |
| 17:57.31 | nkuttler | alexidoia: mount bind /sys/ /proc/ if necessary |
| 17:57.34 | acu_ | jhutchins_wk, yes, it seem that I need to look at both the UEFI and GPT and do a lot of dance to make the system boot - I have a 3 TB hdd - I do not mind partitioning it to less than 2 TB, so I am reformating it right now and install from scratch - I am planing to make an LVM based setup - three VGs (voluegroupOS -with two LVM insdide root and swap) and the other VG on each on other partitions |
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| 17:57.39 | Quix86 | I kinda like the background image thing in fbterm but I can't get that working either |
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| 17:57.57 | alexidoia | nkuttler: off course ! thanks |
| 17:57.58 | Quix86 | I'm not sure if there are other terminal emulators that use the framebuffer or not |
| 17:58.02 | acu_ | so bottom line, format the 3TB with mbr |
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| 18:00.08 | petn-randall | acu_: I don't see any discussion of it in the backlog; why do you want to use a MSDOS partition on a 3 TB drive? |
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| 18:05.01 | acu_ | petn-randall, I do not mind using it, I thought I could get away in making a partition bigger than 2 TB but it is OK |
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| 18:06.15 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: If you use clusters > 512M you can do more than 2TB with MBR |
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| 18:06.46 | jhutchins_wk | I think I have my units wrong, 512k. |
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| 18:09.04 | jay_aura | During debian installation, what is the program responsible for configuration of mirrors and software repositories? |
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| 18:10.17 | petn-randall | acu_: Use GPT unless you have a _really_ good reason not to. |
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| 18:17.56 | jay_aura | Is netcfg responsible for configuring /etc/apt/sources.list during installation? |
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| 18:24.10 | dr0p | hello, what can be wrong that I can't see any wifi networks in network manager in gnome3 ? |
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| 18:26.28 | karlpinc` | jay_aura: The install image will do this, yes. |
| 18:26.49 | SmashingX | is it possible to connect to a windows domain in Debian? |
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| 18:28.27 | christoff522 | SmashingX yes, you need samba |
| 18:28.45 | SmashingX | ok, I think I have it installed and then? |
| 18:28.59 | petn-randall | dr0p: do you see the interface on the commandline? What does 'ifconfig -a' show? |
| 18:29.17 | petn-randall | SmashingX: Command line or GUI? |
| 18:29.25 | SmashingX | CL |
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| 18:30.01 | petn-randall | SmashingX: smbclient -L '\\servername' will show you the shares of that server. |
| 18:30.03 | jay_aura | karlpinc`, I installer deb7 just now, mirrors were not configured during installation. My ISP requires an authenticaiton to do. so even if I net is connected, unless i login, ever request shall recieve the login page. I think due to this reason, installer was not able to configure mirrors. the main debian mirror was not added in the sources.list |
| 18:30.16 | jay_aura | I`m planning to fiile a bug report |
| 18:30.22 | petn-randall | SmashingX: check the man page for smbclient and mount.cifs for further details. |
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| 18:30.48 | jay_aura | karlpinc`, so i just wanted to confirm the package responsible for it |
| 18:30.58 | petn-randall | jay_aura: How is that a debian bug if your ISP is brain dead enough to do DNS redirection? |
| 18:31.00 | dr0p | petn-randall: I can see all my interfaces. Moreover i'm connected to wifi right now. Wifi was set up during the installation, but I see no wifi to choose. |
| 18:31.18 | SmashingX | petn-randall: just one question, how can I use a different username that my username./ |
| 18:31.21 | SmashingX | than |
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| 18:32.04 | petn-randall | dr0p: Check /var/log/kern.log for any messages regarding that interface. I suspect you're missing the firmware files for that device (80% of the cases somebody has such a problem in this channel). |
| 18:32.11 | SmashingX | nevermind I got it |
| 18:32.29 | petn-randall | dr0p: If it's because of missing firmware, you can simply install firmware-linux, and be done with it. |
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| 18:32.56 | jay_aura | petn-randall, well, so its a problem with the ISP? i thought every ISPs are like this! |
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| 18:33.16 | jay_aura | petn-randall, BTW the name of my ISP is Asianet (India) |
| 18:33.42 | SmashingX | petn-randall: I can see the drives, but how I can have access to them? it is possible to have them in a file explorer for easy access? |
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| 18:33.54 | petn-randall | jay_aura: I wouldn't even touch an ISP that does DNS redirection with a 10-foot pole. |
| 18:34.26 | petn-randall | SmashingX: gnome/kde/xfce, etc has those, on the command line it's more cumbersome. |
| 18:34.44 | petn-randall | SmashingX: However, you do that with mount.cifs and lots of parameters. |
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| 18:35.19 | dr0p | petn-randall: hadn't got that. guess, i'll restart the machine and see if it workd |
| 18:35.21 | dr0p | works |
| 18:35.56 | SmashingX | ok petn-randall, just one more question, do you know if the user is already connected in another computer I can't connect in another computer? |
| 18:36.06 | SmashingX | with the domain |
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| 18:36.44 | SmashingX | or maybe doesn't matter |
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| 18:37.00 | petn-randall | SmashingX: I don't understand your question. You mean that windows'll block you if you're already logged in somewhere else? |
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| 18:37.08 | SmashingX | right |
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| 18:37.51 | petn-randall | SmashingX: Dunno, I've never experienced such a thing, but you'd probably have to ask that on #windows or wherever they hang out. |
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| 18:38.17 | SmashingX | is that a windows matter? I thought that has to do with networking |
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| 18:38.27 | alexidoia | is 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 squeeze or wheezy ? |
| 18:39.22 | petn-randall | SmashingX: if windows keeps track of how many times you're accessing a share, it's a windows thing. But again, I've never seen such behaviour. I'm just guessing you got the login credentials wrong. |
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| 18:40.06 | SmashingX | Ok, will keep trying thanks for your time and help petn-randall |
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| 18:41.21 | petn-randall | SmashingX: no problem, you're welcome :) |
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| 18:43.23 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i installed bare minimum of wheezy; how do i install complete gnome package? aptitude install ......? |
| 18:43.52 | boudiccas | paranoidphreak: tasksel gnome |
| 18:44.24 | paranoidphreak | boudiccas: thanks |
| 18:44.49 | boudiccas | paranoidphreak: you're welcome |
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| 18:48.57 | acu_ | petn-randall, can you point me to any functional howto make GPT Wheezy Bootable during install ? I have a MB with both BIOS and UEFI and 3 TB hard drive, however it did not install the GRUB at the last step during Wheezy install - so here I am reinstalling, after I reformated the drive with mbr rather than GPT |
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| 18:49.43 | acu_ | by the way, I created a VG_OS on which I have LVMs one for root one for swap/ but I do not think that was the problem |
| 18:50.09 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: As far as I know there is no definitive documentation yet. There's a lot of trial and error involved, and a number of different approaches. |
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| 18:51.34 | acu_ | jhutchins_wk, thanks, that what I found too, but I thought since here we have "live" gurus I could ask :) |
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| 18:52.23 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: There is this: http://www.garyhawkins.me.uk/?p=185 |
| 18:52.50 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: We're too poor to afford such fancy hardware because we spend all our time hanging out on IRC. |
| 18:53.46 | acu_ | :) |
| 18:54.21 | acu_ | jhutchins_wk, well, is up to us to make ourselves useful, needed and visible |
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| 18:55.38 | neurochrome | hey folks! so, currently on stable (wheezy) and having trouble locating sources for jessie (testing), tried switching all mention of wheezy to testing and got the following W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/testing-updates/contrib/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 83.142.228.128 80] |
| 18:55.57 | acu_ | jhutchins_wk, now if I ask what you would charge to make a ceph storage (with xfs) minimum enviroment, the fee might change the concept of poverty :) |
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| 18:59.56 | Rehnquist | uhm, why was i just banned from #debian-next? :( |
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| 19:00.23 | acu_ | Rehnquist, because debian-next is wheezy - and wheezy is release |
| 19:00.25 | acu_ | d |
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| 19:00.41 | acu_ | so is debian-present :) |
| 19:00.49 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: 1) use the release name, jessie, not testing. 2) Not all wheezy repositories will exist in jessie, particularly things like security, updates, and backports. |
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| 19:01.42 | jhutchins_wk | acu_, Rehnquist No, it's because you tried to join on freenode instead of oftc.net where the actual channel lives. |
| 19:02.02 | Rehnquist | oh, right |
| 19:02.13 | Rehnquist | but then.... how am i seeing this channel on freenode? |
| 19:02.13 | ompaul | acu_: no its for the next debian release - so it's for jessie |
| 19:02.25 | ompaul | Rehnquist: it exists but is not useful |
| 19:02.32 | ompaul | Rehnquist: it's door is shut |
| 19:02.46 | Rehnquist | i wanted to raise an issue on my debian pc |
| 19:02.52 | Rehnquist | perchance you folks remember |
| 19:02.57 | jhutchins_wk | Rehnquist: Because it exists to help push people the right direction. It needs to generate a more useful message, but this way you don't end up creating a backwater channel. |
| 19:03.02 | ompaul | acu_: always with the next version never stable :) |
| 19:03.19 | Rehnquist | i get horrible kernel panicks at boot on my pc, i took some screenies too last week. i found out why it was happening. |
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| 19:03.46 | Rehnquist | apparently IO-APIC function in bios does it |
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| 19:04.09 | Rehnquist | and it's pretty awkwardly asymptomatic, so i had to go through each bios function to find it |
| 19:04.19 | Rehnquist | now it boots just fine, but here's my question |
| 19:04.37 | Rehnquist | is there any way to enable IO-APIC support in debian? |
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| 19:05.07 | Rehnquist | not really sure how much of a performance gain it can give to use it, but what the heck |
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| 19:06.15 | Rehnquist | PS - i got pissed at Debian so i tried to install arch. it never even once got past loading modules. |
| 19:06.16 | jhutchins_wk | Rehnquist: The problem is with non-standard implementations of io-apic that just don't work with the linux kernel. |
| 19:06.59 | jhutchins_wk | Rehnquist: It's a hardware/linux issue, not a debian specific issue. |
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| 19:07.55 | Rehnquist | jhutchins_wk, yep, figured, since every distro acts crazy if it's enabled. |
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| 19:09.18 | Rehnquist | but there's no workaround for this? |
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| 19:09.42 | jhutchins_wk | Rehnquist: Get better hardware? |
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| 19:10.57 | jhutchins_wk | Rehnquist: It's not worth the developers time to reverse engineer the problems for one model of one motherboard from one company who doesn't supply any info on how they implemented it. They probably supply a proprietary windows driver disk that has their own hack to support the variation. |
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| 19:11.19 | Rehnquist | jhutchins_wk, been planning on an upgrade, actuall |
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| 19:11.40 | jhutchins_wk | The half-life of low-end motherboards is so short that by the time it got into the mainstream kernel they'd be gone. |
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| 19:11.57 | Rehnquist | jhutchins_wk, does it provide a noticeable performance improvement or can it just be ignored? |
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| 19:18.13 | private_key | I have a question |
| 19:18.28 | private_key | friend of mine uses fedora, I give him crap daily |
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| 19:18.37 | private_key | he brags to me about rpm being able to install by URL |
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| 19:18.42 | private_key | dpkg cannot |
| 19:18.44 | private_key | why? |
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| 19:18.56 | asterismo | hi people |
| 19:19.07 | private_key | not that I want to nag you to do it, but I don't understand why dpkg simply can't but rpm can |
| 19:19.15 | asterismo | why fullscreen vlc does not hide xfce4-panel? |
| 19:19.30 | jhutchins_wk | Rehnquist: I think it can be safely ignored and you'll never even notice. |
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| 19:19.41 | private_key | because you set your xfce4-panel to be on top of everything? |
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| 19:20.55 | ompaul_ | private_key: wget foo.deb ; dpkg -i whatever (you could train your browser) but it would be a bad idea. The reason is the checking of the sanity of the package against debian. |
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| 19:21.11 | jhutchins_wk | private_key: It's pretty simple to pipe wget or curl to dpkg for that functionality, which is all rpm is doing behind the scenes. |
| 19:22.01 | Kris | When I attempted to auto-configure the network (wired) during installation but got "Network autoconfiguration failed. Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly." I know my network has DHCP enabled, I've checked connections, tried different wires, manually configured it, and I have no luck. |
| 19:22.02 | Kris | I went ahead and installed it without a connection. interfaces: http://pastebin.com/UXe5sTyv |
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| 19:23.17 | neurochrome | damn, system crashed after I asked the last question... |
| 19:23.33 | patter | Kris: that's a pretty normal configuration, is it the right? IP etc? |
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| 19:23.51 | ompaul | Kris: please use paste.debian.nrt if you type ifconfig what do you see and if you type ifconfig -a what do you see? |
| 19:23.53 | jhutchins_wk | Kris: Why not use dhcp if you have it? |
| 19:23.55 | neurochrome | so, is there a set of testing sources to use (jessie) and is it active? |
| 19:24.06 | Kris | jhutchins_wk: I tried, its not working |
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| 19:24.32 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: 1) use the release name, jessie, not testing. 2) Not all wheezy repositories will exist in jessie, particularly things like security, updates, and backports. |
| 19:24.47 | ompaul | neurochrome: testing is not for testing your sources it is for running the testing version of software that may end up in jessie, and may break at less than a moments notice |
| 19:25.07 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: You really should think twice about using jessie at this stage if you didn't already know that. |
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| 19:25.16 | ompaul | Kris: that should be paste.debian.net |
| 19:25.16 | neurochrome | ompaul, yeah, but it is more up-to-date than stable, and less prone to breaking than sid |
| 19:25.35 | ompaul | neurochrome: you think - this is not the time to be second guessing what will break :) |
| 19:25.36 | jhutchins_wk | !not working |
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| 19:25.43 | jhutchins_wk | !doesn't work |
| 19:25.45 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, hmmm, well stable is using old xfce and I want some newer features |
| 19:26.01 | jhutchins_wk | Hm, somebody cleaned up dpkg... |
| 19:26.19 | neurochrome | hmmm, ok, so general consensus is to stay away from testing... that's pretty funny |
| 19:26.27 | dr0p | hello, i've installed stable wheezy, but i cannot see any wifi networks in network-manager-gnome, thus i can see all using iwlist |
| 19:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: Those newer features may cause your system to fail. |
| 19:26.47 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, well, it's running like ass as it is |
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| 19:27.01 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: At this point there are going to be lots of changes happening in testing, and lots of things are going to go into it that don't work, and that break other things. |
| 19:27.06 | neurochrome | so much so that I'm ready to wipe and start again with another distro |
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| 19:27.18 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, good to know |
| 19:27.21 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: That's great for someone who wants to help test the software, but not a good idea for a machine you use regularly. |
| 19:27.27 | neurochrome | guess I'm between a rock and hard place |
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| 19:27.40 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, sure, I want stability |
| 19:27.45 | neurochrome | but this machine is running terrible |
| 19:27.48 | ompaul | no, you are between running stable and testing in a VM |
| 19:27.49 | rneese | hey all |
| 19:28.01 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: If the changes to xfce are good and they're stable and don't break things, you can request that the packages be backported to squeeze. |
| 19:28.05 | rneese | I have a debian pkg. But having a issue |
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| 19:28.26 | rneese | it is not a platform specific . it is just a web gui |
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| 19:28.41 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, hmmm, I'm running xfce, and the only backport I have is iceweasel.... it runs really slow and sluggish |
| 19:28.50 | rneese | and when I make a pkg for it it keeps adding in -i385 to it |
| 19:28.51 | ompaul | rneese: I'm all out of guesses, what software, on what version of debian etc |
| 19:28.52 | neurochrome | jarred scrolling |
| 19:29.03 | neurochrome | xfce menu takes seconds to load labels |
| 19:29.04 | rneese | -386 sorry |
| 19:29.13 | rneese | right now on wheezy |
| 19:29.26 | rneese | I am rolling a pkgs for fusionpbx webgui |
| 19:29.31 | brontosaurusrex | can i get this: "chmod a+w+x-r u+r ./drop" into onliner that actually works? |
| 19:29.38 | ompaul | rneese: so actually what you mean is "I am making a package and it is breaking on me" |
| 19:29.41 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: You need to isolate whether those are problems with xfce (probably not) or with xorg and your video driver (more likely). |
| 19:29.53 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: use the octal codes |
| 19:29.57 | rneese | ok |
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| 19:30.04 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, hmmm, could be because of an old nvidia (prop) driver |
| 19:30.05 | brontosaurusrex | abrotman, ok |
| 19:30.14 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: do you understand what i'm getting at? |
| 19:30.18 | brontosaurusrex | yes |
| 19:30.19 | rneese | I think it should be a -all |
| 19:30.19 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: I think what he means is "I don't know how to set the architecture when I build a package". |
| 19:30.28 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: ah that |
| 19:30.39 | rneese | I basickly want 1 pkg that installs on all platforms |
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| 19:30.58 | rneese | insted of having to make a -i386 and -amd64 pkg |
| 19:31.23 | rneese | but I dont find the anser in the handbook |
| 19:31.24 | jhutchins_wk | rneese: That would be -noarch probably. |
| 19:31.30 | rneese | ok |
| 19:31.31 | neurochrome | rneese, i386 will install on amd64 |
| 19:31.35 | Kris | sorry it took so long: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/6561e510 |
| 19:31.36 | neurochrome | with the right libraries |
| 19:31.53 | geordie | how do i permanently disable keyboard repeat? (my kid has trouble logging in) |
| 19:32.27 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, so, next question... how to undo a system upgrade from wheezy to testing... ;) |
| 19:32.29 | ompaul | Kris: and the other one ifconfig -a |
| 19:32.30 | asterismo | private_key, and where did i set that to be like that? xfce4-panel to be on top of everything? |
| 19:32.38 | jhutchins_wk | geordie: BIOS? |
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| 19:32.52 | Kris | ompaul: that was ifconfig -a |
| 19:32.53 | ompaul | Kris: does the other one show you an eth1 and so on? |
| 19:32.54 | jhutchins_wk | !partial downgrade |
| 19:32.57 | neurochrome | fears a wipe and start again |
| 19:33.00 | johnfg | as update-grub did not work from rescue mode, with /dev/sdb1 as my root file system, what else should I do or try? |
| 19:33.05 | Kris | just eth0 and lo |
| 19:33.06 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: Did you actually install new packages? |
| 19:33.12 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, that's right, dpkg is down. |
| 19:33.15 | johnfg | And, I apologize for being away after I asked, but I'm back now. |
| 19:33.18 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, yerp |
| 19:33.21 | ompaul | Kris: so you only have one ethernet card which appears to be sending and receiving packets |
| 19:33.23 | jhutchins_wk | dselect tell neurochrome about partial downgrade. |
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| 19:33.43 | johnfg | right now, all I get after a reboot is a grub> prompt. |
| 19:33.44 | jhutchins_wk | dselect: tell neurochrome about partial downgrade. |
| 19:33.50 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: we lost the primary bot? |
| 19:33.59 | ompaul | thinks look for yourself ompaul |
| 19:34.00 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: Yeah, too many netsplits. |
| 19:34.00 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, thanks! |
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| 19:34.07 | johnfg | And I've gotten to rescue mode from the wheezy install dvd. |
| 19:34.12 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: could you have a word with dpkg please? |
| 19:34.38 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: Sorry for the repitition. |
| 19:34.42 | neurochrome | np |
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| 19:34.50 | rneese | brb boss yelling |
| 19:35.17 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Did update-grub on the squeeze partition find the wheezy install? |
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| 19:35.25 | johnfg | So, is there some other command I can run, after dropping into a shell, that will repair grub enough for me to boot wheezy? |
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| 19:35.41 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: No, it did not. |
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| 19:36.02 | ompaul | Kris: can you ping www.google.com |
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| 19:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: It's probably better to run it from wheezy, and to do a grub-install to /dev/sda from there after you get the menu fixed. |
| 19:36.12 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: You're talking about when I've told rescue mode that /dev/sdb1 is my root file system? |
| 19:36.16 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, wish me luck! ;) |
| 19:36.24 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: That I do. |
| 19:36.48 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, what's the probability that this will work without screwing my system? |
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| 19:38.02 | zeeflo | anyone know where I can go if I have questions about how to create playlists for video? |
| 19:38.21 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: update-grub should give you feedback about what it's doing, then you can look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg to see if it's right, then use grub-install to link the bootloader to the new menu. |
| 19:38.49 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: Depends on what if anyting got "upgraded". |
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| 19:39.12 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: If "update" didn't work and you stopped there, you don't need to downgrade at all. |
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| 19:39.45 | neurochrome | if only, update seemed to touch a load of packages, a shed-load in fact |
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| 19:39.55 | neurochrome | not sure where to begin |
| 19:39.58 | jhutchins_wk | zeeflo: Depends on what you're using to serve the video, and partly on what you're playing it with. |
| 19:40.06 | neurochrome | other than a with an iso image that is |
| 19:40.25 | jhutchins_wk | neurochrome: update just updates the catalog, which can involve a number of files being downloaded and read. |
| 19:40.32 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: the initial grub-install, when I installed wheezy, only got wheezy right. when I ran update-grub, having booted the dvd-rescue mode, and chose /dev/sdb1 as my root filesystem, grub didn't upgrade right at all. It rebooted to the grub> prompt. |
| 19:40.39 | zeeflo | just a playlist where I can link to videos using rtsp, with some nice photos and so on.. |
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| 19:40.50 | zeeflo | perhaps it would be some kind of html play list?? |
| 19:40.50 | neurochrome | yeah, then apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:40.58 | neurochrome | that should do it |
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| 19:44.32 | rneese | -noarch in the build lne did not work |
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| 19:44.57 | rneese | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -i -noarch |
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| 19:45.27 | ompaul | rneese: I'm not going to look but to be useful for yourself paste.debian.net the full error |
| 19:45.37 | brontosaurusrex | so how would one make a folder writable, but the files written there should be only readable by the folder owner? |
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| 19:45.53 | johnfg | does it make a difference that for both squeeze and wheezy, I have separate boot partitions? |
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| 19:46.10 | brontosaurusrex | basically a "mailbox" |
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| 19:47.10 | neurochrome | jhutchins_wk, so, one more question for you, if you will.... I ran apt-show-versions... does that show all system packages? |
| 19:47.11 | johnfg | I just chose /dev/sda3 for the root filesystem from rescue mode (wheezy install dvd), and ran update-grub, but neither boot partition is mounted. |
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| 19:47.40 | neurochrome | the following two commands returned nothing, which I'm taking to be a good sign: sudo apt-show-versions | fgrep testing |
| 19:47.44 | neurochrome | sudo apt-show-versions | fgrep jessie |
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| 19:52.14 | johnfg | Well, I'm getting nowhere. I just did a grub-install /dev/sda after dropping down to a shell in rescue mode, but after reboot I still just get a grub> prompt. |
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| 19:53.03 | rneese | ok the -noarch did not work |
| 19:53.08 | private_key | I miss lilo |
| 19:53.09 | rneese | I am lost now . |
| 19:53.19 | private_key | why doesn't debian install lilo anymore? |
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| 19:53.46 | patter | why should it, nostalgia? |
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| 19:56.28 | private_key | patter: I had lilo break less often than grub |
| 19:56.40 | private_key | patter: when it did break it was more of a pain to fix though |
| 19:56.49 | private_key | patter: grub is a lot more forgiving |
| 19:57.05 | xno | hey, how does iptables -j CLASSIFY work, I mean does it stop processing the chain as soon as it hits a matching rule? |
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| 19:58.01 | patter | yeah, lilo had the cylinders problem - needed your kernel near enough to the start of the disk |
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| 19:59.52 | xno | cause I found a traffic shaping script and it inserts (-I) classify rules, the last one being the lowest priority/default, which ends up at the top of the chain... so it wouldn't even work? |
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| 20:04.53 | jhutchins_wk | patter: That was back before nearly everyone here was born. |
| 20:04.56 | xno | or even simpler, what is the order iptables processes rules? |
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| 20:05.23 | jhutchins_wk | lilo is in many cases able to handle uefu/gpt better than grub. |
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| 20:06.26 | jhutchins_wk | xno: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 20:06.28 | Sevet | xno: top to bottom, but it will also go through multiple tables. classify acts on mangle. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Netfilter-packet-flow.svg |
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| 20:07.27 | xno | yes I'm using -t mangle -A/I POSTROUTING for shaping |
| 20:07.42 | xno | the question is, will it CLASSIFY multiple times? |
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| 20:11.13 | xno | like if I -A -p icmp -J CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10, and add the same with 1:20, what will the class of an icmp packet be? 1:10 or 1:20? |
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| 20:13.04 | xno | nobody knows? |
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| 20:15.53 | xno | oh man this sucks |
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| 20:18.23 | jhutchins_wk | xno: This is a general debian support channel. You're asking detailed questions about moderately obscure features of something that very few people mess with. |
| 20:18.37 | private_key | look to an iptables group |
| 20:18.46 | jhutchins_wk | xno: You are far better off with a good reference text than hoping someone here has tried to do what you want. |
| 20:19.02 | jhutchins_wk | xno: You're probably not going to find answers on irc. |
| 20:19.41 | private_key | or just jump on #netfilter and troll till someone helps |
| 20:19.44 | private_key | that works too |
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| 20:21.50 | eightysixed | Why does this box drop from all Windows My Networking Places on all the workstations in the office when I change the hostanme? It can still be accessed by ssh, ftp, http, etc, but the Samba shares totally break. I looked around for a reference to the hostname in smb.conf but didnt see anything. When I change it all back, everything miraculously works. What minor detail am I overlooking here? :( |
| 20:22.13 | xno | private_key: will try, thanks |
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| 20:29.53 | Ritzton | I have installed phpmyamin |
| 20:29.54 | Ritzton | that's phpmyadmin I want to disable the alias |
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| 20:31.04 | tux1986 | you want to disable a complete vhost? |
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| 20:31.09 | private_key | hey |
| 20:31.22 | private_key | I just installed vino but I'm not listening on 5900 |
| 20:31.30 | private_key | what do I need to do to get it going? |
| 20:31.55 | private_key | dpkg -L vino | grep bin, only shows vino-preferences and vino-passwd |
| 20:31.55 | dpkg | No packages found matching vino | grep bin, only shows vino-preferences and vino-passwd |
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| 20:35.47 | Ritzton | tux1986> there is an alias which works for every vhosts so I would like to be able to disable some |
| 20:36.04 | Ritzton | no the whole vhost, just the alias inside |
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| 20:39.35 | Alina-malina | Does the wheezy work with old 1 core 2 thread processors? because when i start to upgrading it says it need some 486 and install it over and over and over again and nothing happens |
| 20:39.37 | tux1986 | split the vhost into own files i think |
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| 20:40.50 | Evol | hello - my relative has a problem - their wifi access point is on debian (sort of NAS with router capabilities) - they lost their password, but i can access the machine over ssh |
| 20:41.12 | Evol | is there a way to reset wpa2 password for them via ssh? |
| 20:41.23 | Evol | what conf files could it be located in? |
| 20:41.28 | Alina-malina | Evol, do you have a root access via ssh? |
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| 20:41.32 | Evol | yes |
| 20:41.57 | Evol | i mean i have regular access and change to root once inside |
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| 20:42.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 20:42.39 | dpkg | Since Mon May 13 17:06:17 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 4 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 3h 36m 22s this session, and currently reference 39758 factoids. I'm using about 18532 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 15.54/0.9 child 0/0 |
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| 20:43.00 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: ? |
| 20:43.03 | Evol | Alina-malina: its some older debian, i think edge |
| 20:43.06 | Evol | or edgy |
| 20:43.09 | Evol | forgot the names |
| 20:43.20 | patter | etch ? |
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| 20:43.24 | Evol | :D |
| 20:43.28 | Evol | sounds legit |
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| 20:43.35 | Alina-malina | Does the wheezy work with old 1 core 2 thread processors? because when i start to upgrading it says it need some 486 and install it over and over and over again and nothing happens |
| 20:44.05 | dondelelcaro | Alina-malina: what precise processor is this? |
| 20:44.35 | Evol | can anyone help? wpa2 password change on access point via ssh ? |
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| 20:44.59 | Alina-malina | dondelelcaro, pentium 4 |
| 20:45.55 | petn-randall | eightysixed: Changing the name takes a long time to propagate in a windows domain, the other hosts may simply haven't catches up yet. |
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| 20:47.17 | eightysixed | petn-randall: It's all just local in this office though. All hardwired directly into the same router even. Propogation should be immediate, especially with a /dnsflush |
| 20:47.21 | eightysixed | Right? |
| 20:47.57 | petn-randall | xno: I think CLASSIFY is a terminating target, e.g. the first match on your conditions in the table wins. But you can find out by testing it! iptables -L -vn will show you the package count. |
| 20:48.39 | petn-randall | eightysixed: so you flushed the DNS cache on every single machine? |
| 20:48.58 | eightysixed | yea, its only 3 machines :P |
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| 20:51.24 | petn-randall | acu_: Use GPT to partition your HDD, make sure that before you do anything you set up UEFI boot in the UEFI setup (and make sure CSM/"bios compatibility"/"legacy mode"/etc. is deactivated). |
| 20:51.32 | dondelelcaro | Alina-malina: any pentium should still work. |
| 20:51.42 | larks | question, there was something which wasn't working right with the octave-openmpi-ext package in testing, so I got the source and instaleld it and it works now etc. should I email the maintainer, file a bug report or something else? |
| 20:52.09 | petn-randall | larks: What exactly wasn't right? It strongly depends on that. |
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| 20:52.59 | shellox_ | hi |
| 20:53.08 | petn-randall | acu_: Because you can only set up a UEFI boot partition when you actually booted from UEFI. The spec says that the OS shouldn't have access to the UEFI boot partition when booted in legacy mode, that's why. Took me a while to figure that detail out. |
| 20:53.21 | eightysixed | petn-randall: Yup, its only 4 Windows workstations :) |
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| 20:53.41 | patter | ah, toys :) |
| 20:53.44 | larks | petn-randall: well the sample m scripts would sometimes fail, and sometimes crash, looked like some sort of memory access error |
| 20:53.50 | shellox_ | I get the following error when i run apt-get update; 503 DNS error for hostname ftp.nz.debian.org: Name or service not known. If ftp.nz.debian.org refers to a configured cache repository, please check the corresponding configuration file. |
| 20:53.55 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Thanks, he was offline earlier due to netsplits. |
| 20:54.01 | shellox_ | do you have an idea how to fix that? |
| 20:54.05 | shellox_ | name resolution is working |
| 20:54.13 | shellox_ | just not with apt somehow :/ |
| 20:54.33 | patter | http 503 is usually "server too busy, come back later" |
| 20:54.55 | jhutchins_wk | eightysixed: The windows workstations are working with the netbios name, and may be falling back to DNS. |
| 20:54.57 | patter | shellox_: so add other servers to sources.list |
| 20:55.29 | petn-randall | eightysixed: no idea then. |
| 20:55.30 | shellox_ | patter: not sure if that's right in the case. I can't reach the backports server either with this machine, but can access it with another one |
| 20:55.37 | jhutchins_wk | shellox_: Can you browse to that server? |
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| 20:55.42 | shellox_ | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 20:55.48 | eightysixed | jhutchins_wk: Right, but in a local intranet, flushing DNS, one would think it would act normally v0v |
| 20:55.56 | petn-randall | larks: And recompiling fixed the problem, or what did you do? |
| 20:56.10 | shellox_ | also stoppd nscd to stop the caching |
| 20:56.18 | shellox_ | flushed cache before as well |
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| 20:56.19 | larks | well getting the latest source and compiling that fixed it |
| 20:56.21 | jhutchins_wk | shellox_: You could look up what error 503 means. |
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| 20:56.32 | blabliblub | v |
| 20:56.35 | larks | the one i nthe repo is 1.0.1 and this one is like 1.1.1 |
| 20:56.36 | jhutchins_wk | eightysixed: It's windows. |
| 20:56.50 | eightysixed | Pretty much :( |
| 20:56.55 | eightysixed | Oh well. |
| 20:56.56 | jhutchins_wk | eightysixed: Figure out what it's doing for netbios. |
| 20:57.07 | eightysixed | Yea, im going to poke around a bit more |
| 20:58.00 | petn-randall | larks: Looks like a legit bug report. However, you have to get a little more detailed with this. What kind of bug exactly happened (output of the commands), how to reproduce the bug, and that it works in the newer version. |
| 20:58.49 | larks | yeah, that's what I was afraid of, haha, I'll see if I have the output on te scroll history of tmux |
| 20:59.50 | mucha | hello. im newb debian user. my firestarter blocked connection from edge-star-ecmp-01-lhr2.facebook.com and from other one. what does it mean? someone tried port scan me? |
| 20:59.55 | larks | and... nope, going to have to uninstall the the newer version and then install the one from the repo to file the report, wheeee |
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| 21:00.18 | mucha | btw i dont have account on facebook |
| 21:01.06 | alexidoia | after upgrading to debian, I had several problem all due to SSL certificate, when I boot normally on disk, ssh connection are not allowed and all service using ssl certificates are complaining. What can I do ? where does the problem come from |
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| 21:01.34 | petemc | alexidoia: is the date correct? |
| 21:01.52 | alexidoia | how can I check this ? |
| 21:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | mucha: Look at the firestarter logs to see if it records the reason for a block. Not everybody uses firestarter. |
| 21:01.56 | petemc | date |
| 21:02.05 | alexidoia | yes of course |
| 21:02.11 | alexidoia | it is correct yes |
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| 21:02.30 | alexidoia | ntpd is installed anyway |
| 21:02.39 | jhutchins_wk | alexidoia: Upgrading to debian from what? |
| 21:02.40 | mucha | jhutchins_wk: can i use iptables to see details of it? |
| 21:02.41 | petn-randall | mucha: You probably still visited a web page that references javascript/pictures, etc from facebook? |
| 21:02.48 | alexidoia | jhutchins_wk: squezze |
| 21:02.51 | jhutchins_wk | mucha: Not likely. |
| 21:02.52 | petn-randall | mucha: yes, you can. |
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| 21:03.10 | jhutchins_wk | alexidoia: Ah, you mean from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 21:03.22 | alexidoia | hu yes |
| 21:03.25 | alexidoia | sorry |
| 21:03.25 | petn-randall | Well, it depends on how firestarter sets up iptables rules :/ |
| 21:04.04 | alexidoia | jhutchins_wk: all seems to be updated now, but I did not changed all configuration files and I thing this is where it bugs |
| 21:04.34 | petn-randall | alexidoia: Can you paste the output of a unsuccessful ssh login attempt? |
| 21:04.37 | alexidoia | where would the ssh connexion failure been logged ? |
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| 21:04.43 | petn-randall | alexidoia: /var/log/auth.log |
| 21:04.51 | alexidoia | petn-randall: ok |
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| 21:06.06 | alexidoia | petn-randall: that would be something like this http://pastebin.com/PkYtTEW0 |
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| 21:07.03 | petn-randall | alexidoia: "/dev/ttyS0: No such file or directory" ... looks like there's a lot more broken on your system. |
| 21:07.50 | alexidoia | petn-randall: I am on a network boot right now and I have just mounted my system and chrooted in it |
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| 21:08.19 | petn-randall | alexidoia: Could you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade', 'apt-get install -f' and 'dpkg --configure -a'? |
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| 21:09.47 | alexidoia | petn-randall: that is the source lists http://pastebin.com/dVheWufp |
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| 21:12.14 | petn-randall | alexidoia: And the other stuff? |
| 21:12.23 | alexidoia | coming... |
| 21:12.25 | alexidoia | thanks a lot |
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| 21:12.40 | alexidoia | ok its all god |
| 21:12.42 | alexidoia | good |
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| 21:13.45 | alexidoia | petn-randall: actually my console talks in french but here you are http://pastebin.com/7aWicNVz |
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| 21:14.44 | petn-randall | !localized errors |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 21:15.56 | petn-randall | alexidoia: ^^ that's how to get them in plain english, btw. It looks all good, though. Can you boot into the system? |
| 21:16.28 | alexidoia | I can, I can ping it but can't ssh to it |
| 21:16.38 | petn-randall | alexidoia: It's not a local machine? |
| 21:16.45 | alexidoia | no |
| 21:16.57 | alexidoia | 91.121.221.85 |
| 21:17.01 | alexidoia | heu no |
| 21:17.10 | alexidoia | yes yes |
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| 21:17.19 | petn-randall | %-) |
| 21:17.35 | alexidoia | no that is the good one sorry 91.121.85.221 |
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| 21:17.55 | alexidoia | so I don't know what else to do really |
| 21:18.10 | petn-randall | alexidoia: So how did you find out there's "problems with SSL"? |
| 21:18.25 | alexidoia | the thing I might have done and that could have broken something is NOT to replace old config file by new ones |
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| 21:18.46 | petn-randall | alexidoia: No, that's completely and 100% fine. That's fully supported. |
| 21:18.56 | petn-randall | alexidoia: So you upgraded from where to where? |
| 21:19.02 | alexidoia | petn-randall: dovecot complained about it, then apache, then I can connect via ssh , that is a guess |
| 21:19.16 | alexidoia | squeeze to wheezy ? |
| 21:19.30 | alexidoia | Linux rescue.ovh.net 3.2.2-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Fri Jan 27 14:06:07 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:19.55 | alexidoia | ah no that would be the current kernel sorry |
| 21:20.01 | petn-randall | alexidoia: That's the ... right :) |
| 21:20.08 | alexidoia | but yeah from squeeze to wheezy |
| 21:20.42 | alexidoia | can't it be something to do with IPV6 then if it is not ssl ? |
| 21:20.53 | petn-randall | alexidoia: I'm confused; can you ssh into the machine now or not? Because first you said you can't, now you said you can. |
| 21:21.04 | alexidoia | no I can't |
| 21:21.20 | petn-randall | alexidoia: So when did dovecot/apache/ssh complain about SSL? |
| 21:21.33 | alexidoia | I am actually connected with a rescue boot and I have mounted the system and chrooted into it |
| 21:22.05 | petn-randall | alexidoia: So you never saw those three daemons running from the actual system? |
| 21:22.49 | alexidoia | I did manage to connect to it actually after the upgrade, and as I had 15 packages not completely upgraded, I finished them, and rebooted, and then I never managed to logged into ssh again |
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| 21:23.25 | petn-randall | alexidoia: Ah, ok. Pingable but no ssh sounds to me like it never finished booting. |
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| 21:23.58 | alexidoia | so I might have had to wait a little longer is that what you say ? |
| 21:24.13 | petn-randall | alexidoia: Maybe. How long did you wait? |
| 21:24.23 | alexidoia | about 5 minutes |
| 21:24.26 | petn-randall | alexidoia: Does the CPU support virtualization? |
| 21:25.04 | alexidoia | don't know |
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| 21:25.18 | petn-randall | alexidoia: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:25.34 | alexidoia | why that ? |
| 21:26.03 | alexidoia | no file found |
| 21:26.15 | alexidoia | I am rebooting to see |
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| 21:26.22 | alexidoia | and I will wait a good 10 min |
| 21:26.31 | petn-randall | alexidoia: The output will tell you. If there's a 'vmx' or 'svm' in the list, it supports it. |
| 21:26.49 | alexidoia | ok |
| 21:27.04 | petn-randall | alexidoia: Do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' outside the chroot. You forgot to bind mount /dev/, /proc/ and /sys/ before going in. |
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| 21:27.27 | alexidoia | ah yeah |
| 21:27.39 | alexidoia | let me reboot |
| 21:28.28 | darsie | where can I configure the gnome3 screensaver? |
| 21:28.37 | darsie | on wheezy |
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| 21:31.49 | darsie | alexidoia: maybe it's fscking |
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| 21:36.32 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 21:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | darsie, "System Settings", "Brightness and Lock"? |
| 21:36.51 | johnfg | I reinstalled wheezy, and am now in a terminal and using irssi. |
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| 21:37.35 | johnfg | grub install still did not find squeeze, at a fresh install, on /dev/sda, but that's where I had grub right its config to. |
| 21:37.58 | johnfg | So, what would you recommend I do now? Run update-grub? |
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| 21:38.22 | petn-randall | johnfg: So you're dual booting wheezy and squeeze? |
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| 21:38.40 | darsie | CutMeOwnThroat: thx. I was already cursing when I found http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=103403 : Its absence is a feature! Enjoy Gnome 3. |
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| 21:40.28 | johnfg | petn-randall: Yes, and not having any success at all. |
| 21:40.59 | johnfg | I'd been booting squeeze, lenny and win xp, with squeeze as my main server. |
| 21:41.30 | johnfg | But after installing wheezy where I had lenny, on sdb,I'm not able to dual-boot. |
| 21:42.07 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: Since I'm running wheezy, should I run update-grub? or should it be: update-grub /dev/sda? |
| 21:42.36 | petn-randall | johnfg: Check the man page, update-grub takes no parameters. |
| 21:42.55 | petn-randall | johnfg: You probably want 'grub-install /dev/sda', assuming /dev/sda is your HDD. |
| 21:43.39 | johnfg | petn-randall: That's where squeeze is. wheezy is /dev/sdb. |
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| 21:43.44 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: If grub is successfully booting wheezy, just update-grub |
| 21:43.56 | johnfg | And the ? wasn't a variable, but a question mark. |
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| 21:44.10 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Your target is whichever drive the BIOS reads the mbr from, probably A |
| 21:44.22 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: I'll give that a try. Don't add the /dev/sda ? |
| 21:44.45 | petn-randall | johnfg: Can you paste the output of 'update-grub'? Does it even find the other installation? |
| 21:45.01 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: update-grub reads the defaults file, runs several modules including osprober, assembles the modules and builds the grub.cfg file. |
| 21:45.35 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: grub-install writes the grub chainloader to the specified target and links it to the grub.cfg, which can later be updated. |
| 21:46.23 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: Ok, it finally output that it found squeeze. Thanks, I'm gonna reboot, then I'll tell you of sucess/failure. Thanks guys! |
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| 21:47.05 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: If the reboot doesn't work, go back to a wheezy chroot with properly bound /dev and such and run grub-install. |
| 21:47.09 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 21:47.09 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 21:50.36 | johnfg | whew! Well, I'm back in squeeze, my main server, which for now, is a good thing. |
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| 21:56.25 | johnfg | One thing I'd like to change, apparently the mbr is looking for grub.cfg to be at /dev/sdb2, /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 21:57.35 | jhutchins_wk | what do you want it to look at? |
| 21:57.40 | johnfg | i'd rather have it look to /dev/sda2, /boot/grub/grub.cfg. |
| 21:57.47 | johnfg | How would I change that? |
| 21:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: run grub-install from that installation (squeeze). That will overwrite the one that refers to hdb. |
| 21:58.28 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: There might be other ways to do that but I don't know of them. |
| 21:58.38 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: k, that's what I thought, but thanks for the confirmation. |
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| 22:01.03 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: And then update-grub so from squeeze it will see wheezy? hopefully? |
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| 22:01.45 | LL54 | Is it not possible to boot from the wheezy dvd on uefi systems? |
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| 22:03.38 | petn-randall | LL54: Sure it is. |
| 22:05.05 | LL54 | petn-rndall: the "debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso" doesn't boot until I turn on legacy boot in my uefi settings. and i dont want to do that... |
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| 22:06.00 | petn-randall | LL54: What happens if you try? You have to deactivate 'secure boot', though. It's not supported. |
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| 22:07.43 | LL54 | petn-randall: it just doesnt do anything. the netinst image works but i want to install kde right away... if the netinst works it should be turned off right? |
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| 22:12.44 | LL54 | petn-randall: or is it possible to install kde from the netinstall? |
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| 22:13.19 | petn-randall | LL54: yeah, just use the netinstall to install your system, and KDE. |
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| 22:13.54 | petn-randall | LL54: btw, petn<tab> will auto-complete my nick on most IRC clients. |
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| 22:14.27 | petn-randall | LL54: I recommend using the netinstall in all cases, unless you're installing on a machine with no network connection. |
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| 22:14.55 | LL54 | petn-randall: ok, thank you! |
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| 22:17.32 | petn-randall | LL54: You're welcome! Have fun with your Debian installation! :) |
| 22:17.39 | Ritzton | I am sorry I dont understand why I cant manage to create virtual host for phpmyadmin :-( http://pastie.org/7904605 |
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| 22:26.40 | jqvillanova | hi |
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| 22:30.53 | Guest1277 | hi, which sas controller is best supported by debian(wheezy)? |
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| 22:31.21 | abrotman | !best |
| 22:31.21 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 22:33.06 | Guest1277 | abrotman: drives, utilities, price. I need to drive a couple of SAS drives (currently in softRAID) configuration. The onboard SAS on my asus mobo is dying |
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| 22:33.35 | Guest1277 | hmm, whats with my nick? |
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| 22:35.02 | Vicissitude | it may be owned by someone else |
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| 22:35.23 | magyar | so as I was saying sas adapter. |
| 22:35.23 | g0to | hi there |
| 22:35.43 | magyar | Vicissitude: it's fixed now, thanks |
| 22:35.54 | Vicissitude | de nada |
| 22:35.58 | magyar | I was thinking LSI |
| 22:36.02 | g0to | could anybody recommend me a good channel for talking about free software? |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | #defocus? |
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| 22:37.09 | g0to | abrotman, "a social channel for sensible conversations" |
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| 22:38.00 | g0to | abrotman, I wanted to talk about free software, not the missing period of my girlfriend (just kidding) |
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| 22:39.12 | abrotman | not amused |
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| 22:39.27 | [deXter] | Hi all, what's the easiest/fastest way to get 3.9 for Debian? |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | g0to: if you want something more specific, say so |
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| 22:40.56 | [deXter] | I'm on wheezy right now but I need the 3.9 kernel |
| 22:41.22 | g0to | abrotman, well, I have a few questions about licensing small software (a few lines of source code) which uses a maybe proprietary picture |
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| 22:47.52 | g0to | [deXter], maybe you want to take a look at this -> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
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| 22:48.22 | g0to | [deXter], and this one too -> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel |
| 22:48.59 | [deXter] | Hmm, thanks g0to ! |
| 22:49.26 | g0to | [deXter], np :) |
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| 22:50.30 | abrotman | g0to: so you need legal advice? |
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| 22:53.13 | g0to | abrotman, I don't think I need it. I'm only looking for someone who knows how the free software licenses works and what can or can't do when using them |
| 22:53.33 | abrotman | sounds like legal advice :) |
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| 23:04.16 | connor_ | Greetings, I have decided to try a btrfs install, and beforehand created images of my old root and home partitions. What is the best way to restore my old system and files onto my new btrfs install? |
| 23:04.25 | connor_ | Should I just do a straight copy using a live disk and preserve permissions? Do I only need to preserve the new fstab and crypttab? |
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| 23:10.18 | Brigo | connor_: will you reinstall? |
| 23:11.23 | connor_ | Brigo: Yes, this is a new hard drive and I have completed a fresh install, but I have complete images of my old root and home partitions |
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| 23:11.54 | connor_ | Brigo: Root contained everything else that was not in home |
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| 23:12.38 | connor_ | Brigo: I was thinking of just booting a live disk, mounting the partition and image, and just using cp |
| 23:12.52 | asarch | What do I need to share a printer (with other Debian 7.0 clients) across my LAN? |
| 23:13.03 | asarch | Is it CUPS_ |
| 23:13.04 | asarch | ? |
| 23:13.17 | Brigo | connor_: The only you need is the home, and may be some /etc files |
| 23:13.43 | connor_ | Brigo: Something like "cp -p -r -u -x -v /old /new" |
| 23:13.49 | Brigo | asarch: CUPS should do it ok |
| 23:14.04 | Brigo | connor_: yes, or cp -a :) |
| 23:14.18 | Brigo | connor_: only the home! |
| 23:14.23 | asarch | Thank you Brigo |
| 23:14.25 | asarch | :-) |
| 23:14.28 | Brigo | cp -a /old/home /new/home |
| 23:14.43 | Brigo | asarch: you are wellcome :-) |
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| 23:15.10 | connor_ | Brigo: I had over 40gb of stuff in my old root directory that I will need (I think I am an unusual case) |
| 23:15.32 | Brigo | connor_: in what directory? |
| 23:15.33 | asarch | I thought the GNOME applet did that |
| 23:15.59 | Brigo | asarch: GNOME applet use cups (i think) |
| 23:16.22 | Brigo | asarch: but may be it is easyer than CUPS |
| 23:16.30 | connor_ | Brigo: Good point, I should check. I guess /usr mostly but I am not sure |
| 23:16.53 | Brigo | connor_: but what kind of files are them? |
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| 23:17.29 | Brigo | sources in /usr/src? not debian in /usr/local? ? |
| 23:17.38 | connor_ | Brigo: Nearly 100% of my packages came from the repo's, would that have been installed in /home? |
| 23:18.06 | Brigo | connor_: no, you should install the package |
| 23:18.24 | Brigo | and they will be installed in /usr |
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| 23:19.30 | connor_ | Brigo: Okay, maybe I should just restore /usr and /home then? Just so I do not have to redownload everything |
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| 23:20.25 | Brigo | connor_: no, if you restore /usr you will break the system. |
| 23:21.10 | Brigo | if you dont want to redownload all, forget the install and copy all you backup, and good look ... :-/ |
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| 23:22.00 | connor_ | Brigo: Oh... why is that? My hardware is the same. I essentially just repartitioned. |
| 23:22.54 | Brigo | yes, but the package are installed mosty in /usr but too in /var /etc /bin /sbin /lib .... |
| 23:23.52 | Brigo | and not installing package you can remove or update the programs ... |
| 23:24.12 | Brigo | and not installing package you can NOT remove or update the programs ... (sorry) :-) |
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| 23:25.46 | connor_ | Brigo: Oh I see, but I don't really care about my fresh install, I mostly just wanted to repartition my drive for UEFA and btrfs support |
| 23:26.11 | AciD` | hi,I'm trying in install debian 7 with an usb after having dd the dvd iso to a bootable usb key. In the normal kde gui installer, the debian installer complains about not having a cd (which I don't). Is there a workaround ? |
| 23:26.23 | connor_ | Brigo: So if I do a full restore of my root, except for fstab and crypttab for boot, that should work - right? |
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| 23:28.12 | Brigo | connor_: crypttab, fstab and grub, and then yes. |
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| 23:29.23 | Brigo | AciD`: you can copy a dvd to a usb key for install, you need the usb key version or use a program like unetbootit to convert dvd image to usb key image. |
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| 23:30.06 | connor_ | Brigo: Okay, thanks for your time. I will boot the live disk and start the process |
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| 23:33.29 | AciD` | Brigo > I did download the hybrid iso on http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ which ""Hybrid" ISO image files suitable for writing to DVD-R(W) or CD-R(W) media, depending on size, and also USB keys of the appropriate size.", It seems there shouldn't be any modification for it to work on usb |
| 23:34.09 | AciD` | if not, that should be more clearly stated |
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| 23:34.41 | Brigo | This is new for me :-m |
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| 23:35.57 | Brigo | i dont know nothing about these "hybrid" ISOs, sorry. |
| 23:35.59 | AciD` | anyway, it's still not working (I found a thread about the very same problem dating from 2009 |
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| 23:36.38 | AciD` | still not so user friendly that installer :> |
| 23:37.39 | abrotman | AciD`: are you just trying to install ? |
| 23:37.54 | Brigo | AciD`: It should work : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:38.14 | AciD` | abrotman > yes |
| 23:38.34 | Brigo | mmm |
| 23:38.49 | abrotman | AciD`: use the regular netinst |
| 23:38.53 | Brigo | may be you need another dvd. |
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| 23:39.12 | AciD` | thank you Brigo, but the key is ok, it's just that "detect CD" step i'm stuck with |
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| 23:40.07 | AciD` | abrotman > my internet connection is uterly slow, I have downloaded the dvd over the past few days |
| 23:40.21 | Brigo | AciD`: I think you are trying to install something you havent in this dvd image. |
| 23:40.36 | AciD` | I assume if live.debian.org says you can use usb to install debian image, that *must* have tested that use case before.. |
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| 23:41.25 | AciD` | Brigo > usually there is much more that the essential in the first dvd, I should be fine I guess |
| 23:41.31 | AciD` | than |
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| 23:42.02 | Brigo | what are you trying to install? |
| 23:42.25 | AciD` | Brigo > what do you mean ? |
| 23:42.37 | AciD` | server + desktop |
| 23:43.07 | Brigo | server? |
| 23:43.09 | abrotman | AciD`: which DVD did you download ? |
| 23:43.13 | Brigo | task-server? |
| 23:43.57 | AciD` | abrotman > lemme check with the md5sum |
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| 23:46.48 | AciD` | ok, my bad : I downloaded the "normal" dvd iso as (now I remember), hybrid iso weren't up-to-date few days ago.. |
| 23:47.03 | AciD` | I guess I can do the net install then.. |
| 23:47.43 | Brigo | AciD`: oh, i sorry :-/ |
| 23:48.02 | AciD` | Brigo > don't be, it's my error :) |
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| 23:48.26 | abrotman | AciD`: no, the regular install images are all hybrid .. not sure about the Live images |
| 23:48.31 | Brigo | i sorry about your lost time. :-) |
| 23:48.47 | abrotman | AciD`: also, generally, the netinst is faster unless you intend to use all packages from tthe DVD |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | AciD`: in the future, you might prefer CD1 |
| 23:48.59 | AciD` | abrotman > I don't |
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| 23:49.31 | mitch|notznc | in the installer (expert mode) is there a way to install grub w/o doing everything else? |
| 23:50.04 | abrotman | !tell mitch|notznc about fixmbr |
| 23:51.00 | Brigo | !tell brigo about fixmbr |
| 23:51.43 | AciD` | abrotman > indeed, there is no 'cd' version of the live images (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/) |
| 23:51.46 | Brigo | abrotman: :-) |
| 23:51.53 | abrotman | AciD`: use the regular installer |
| 23:52.06 | abrotman | has no idea where this silly notion of using a livecd to do the install came from |
| 23:52.17 | Brigo | i did it, but /msg dpkg about fixmbr :-) |
| 23:52.42 | AciD` | abrotman > the point of having a live usb key is to show off debian at friends |
| 23:53.00 | AciD` | and in "just in case" situation |
| 23:53.03 | abrotman | AciD`: i just use the installer .. |
| 23:53.07 | AciD` | 2 birds, 1 stone |
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| 23:53.09 | abrotman | "whoops, dunno where windows went" |
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| 23:53.20 | abrotman | "you didn't want OSX anyway" |
| 23:53.28 | AciD` | :) |
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| 23:54.32 | AciD` | anyway, thanks for you help. gn |
| 23:56.45 | mitch|notznc | When I do mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /target # I get 'mount: mounting /dev/sda on /target failed: No such device' even though it's listed in /dev |
| 23:58.30 | mitch|notznc | (on the install disk) |
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