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| 00:29.58 | cheetahw26 | so I'm trying to make this wifi driver, but it's crashing with: os_intfs.c:333 error struct net_device has no member named wireless_handlers |
| 00:30.45 | cheetahw26 | after looking it up, it appears that it's possible my kernel wasn't built with the CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT |
| 00:31.33 | cheetahw26 | I have the source of the current kernel, but I can't remember how to modify settings or change something and then recompile... I didn't make the original kernel, and I know it's highly customized due to proprietary hardware... |
| 00:31.43 | abrotman | make why? |
| 00:32.13 | cheetahw26 | er... compile wifi driver, not make as in make from scratch, make as using GNU make |
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| 00:32.56 | somiaj | cheetahw26: want to take a step back and tell us the chipset of your wireless card? |
| 00:33.13 | cheetahw26 | the kernel handbook reads I can use make menuconfig, but that crashes on me... looks like there are a couple previous configs from earlier versions, but don't know how up to date they are... is there a way to print out all of the current kernel configs to a config file I can then use to recompile the kernel? |
| 00:34.25 | cheetahw26 | sure... its a EDIMAX EW-7811Un, driver that comes with it reads: trl8192CU_8188CU ... so I'm guessing realtek |
| 00:34.48 | cheetahw26 | oops... rtl8192CU_8188CU |
| 00:35.01 | somiaj | cheetahw26: What version of debian are you running? Have you tried the debian packages they contain the firmware and drivers for that card |
| 00:35.07 | somiaj | !rtl8192cu |
| 00:35.07 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 00:36.02 | cheetahw26 | eh... it's a proprietary version made off of Lenny... and it was developed over the past who knows how many years, by like dozen different people, so some packages are actually updated to Squeeze versions, but I guess a lot of them broke some of the proprietary software, so it's kind of in a goofy state right now |
| 00:36.26 | cheetahw26 | Linux ver= 2.6.36 |
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| 00:37.08 | somiaj | cheetahw26: so you are still running lenny, or have you upgraded to squeeze? |
| 00:37.14 | cheetahw26 | it' |
| 00:37.26 | cheetahw26 | it's Lenny with some squeeze updated packages... |
| 00:37.36 | somiaj | cheetahw26: well if you have updated the udev and core to squeeze (with some old lenny packages), you can install a 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 00:38.11 | truexfan81 | isn't Lenny in EOL? |
| 00:38.14 | somiaj | cheetahw26: hmm, yea mixing verions and the module, the lenny kernel is just old could be the source you have can't compile against the kernel you have. |
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| 00:38.18 | somiaj | truexfan81: been EOL for about 2 years now |
| 00:38.33 | cheetahw26 | that's the thing; it's not entirely my project... and the new kernel breaks some of their proprietary code... they're in the process of rewriting everything, but it's not their highest priority, so... I'm personally stuck with this kernel for tonight |
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| 00:39.01 | cheetahw26 | yeah I am aware... again, not me, nor my choice, nor my software :) |
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| 00:39.48 | somiaj | cheetahw26: where did you get that 2.6.36 kernel. I still think if you can upgrade it to 2.6.39 or newer (I/d suggest 3.2) you can just isntall a firmware package and that card should work. |
| 00:39.53 | cheetahw26 | just asking how to generate a config file, if I can from the currently installed kernel so I can see all of the options and then recompile with them slightly modified |
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| 00:40.02 | somiaj | cheetahw26: but yea I can't be of much more help than you have a frakendebian. |
| 00:40.20 | somiaj | cheetahw26: debian kernels put a copy of the config file in /boot/config-ver |
| 00:40.28 | cheetahw26 | from the developers.... it's ok, I am aware it's a frankendebian :) |
| 00:40.51 | cheetahw26 | ahh, so that is it, thanks... it's been ~4 years since I've done anything like this, so... |
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| 00:41.16 | somiaj | cheetahw26: I think if you goto reltek's site you can get source code for modules to compile against the kernel you are running (no need to coimpile a whole kernel). Again my have to search around for something old enough. |
| 00:41.33 | somiaj | cheetahw26: in that case probabaly just need the headers for the kernel you have installed |
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| 00:41.40 | cheetahw26 | looks like I can just drop that into my source and recompile... |
| 00:41.53 | cheetahw26 | I have the headers to my kernel... |
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| 00:42.09 | cheetahw26 | is there a way to change the kernel option without rebuilding, compiling, reinstalling it? |
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| 00:42.35 | cheetahw26 | I mean, ultimately I'll have to do that anyway to release this, but now, for testing... that would be much faster/helpful for me |
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| 00:43.40 | somiaj | cheetahw26: oh you are missing a config option required by the modules, yea depending on that no way unless you recompile your kernel |
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| 00:45.00 | mikerose357 | so today I learned what you get when you mix debian and drugs, apprarantly its called sprezzos |
| 00:45.02 | cheetahw26 | that's what I thought... although I was looking around and don't even see that exact option |
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| 00:47.40 | cheetahw26 | found this, but don't really understand what they're talking about.. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-850157-view-next.html?sid=b92ae70b652807823e108ea2e8b79766 |
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| 00:49.40 | cheetahw26 | if an option isn't available in that kernel config file, does that mean that it does not exist? |
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| 00:50.09 | cheetahw26 | I see CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT_SYSFS ... but that's not exactly the same as CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT |
| 00:51.08 | cheetahw26 | sorry... probably better question for linux |
| 00:51.22 | cheetahw26 | thanks for the help, and sorry for the convoluted questions/environment |
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| 00:58.58 | gyuguy | hi |
| 00:59.23 | gyuguy | fuck |
| 00:59.29 | truexfan81 | no |
| 00:59.32 | gyuguy | where are you |
| 00:59.50 | gyuguy | f |
| 01:00.10 | gyuguy | this chating is very bad |
| 01:00.17 | themill | gyuguy: do you have a Debian user support question we can help you with? |
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| 01:00.36 | gyuguy | yah |
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| 01:35.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 01:35.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need some help i have changed the orientation of my screens, now to sideways, |
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| 01:36.34 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 01:37.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 01:37.49 | mroe | Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified |
| 01:37.49 | mroe | domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 01:37.59 | mroe | ugh |
| 01:38.03 | mroe | stupid irc client |
| 01:38.18 | abrotman | looks at the chair .. |
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| 01:38.41 | mroe | I'm reading the apache docs regarding the above message |
| 01:38.57 | mroe | it alludes to the fact that the server isn't finding a PTR record for its IP |
| 01:39.27 | mroe | however, when I do a dig/host on either 127.0.0.1 or the 192.168.7.10 it returns with a valid PTR |
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| 01:40.16 | mroe | 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer localhost. |
| 01:40.23 | mroe | 10.7.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer doc.roe.lan. |
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| 01:41.51 | abrotman | isn't PTR dig -x ? |
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| 01:42.03 | eoss | how to show whena user last logged in if 'last' doesnt show it |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | or am i thinking of something else? |
| 01:42.17 | abrotman | eoss: the timestamp on their .bash_history ? |
| 01:42.22 | mroe | PTR is just an rdns |
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| 01:42.52 | mroe | so yes, dig -x |
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| 01:43.01 | eoss | abrotman: not precise enough because they could log in but not type anything |
| 01:43.03 | mroe | which returns the same result |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | eoss: what did you do to your last logs? |
| 01:43.34 | eoss | abrotman: nothing :D |
| 01:43.39 | abrotman | eoss: just stat the whole $HOME |
| 01:44.04 | abrotman | they probably read .bash_profile ? |
| 01:44.15 | mroe | hrm, interesting, is it possible it is failing because I don't have a PTR for ::1 |
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| 01:45.36 | eoss | abrotman: this is an automated script to just gonnect to ssh, i dont have certain permission |
| 01:45.49 | eoss | so it will log in and telnet to something thats it |
| 01:46.12 | eoss | but i need to know if login is successful to the box..so going on bash history for telnet command isnt useful |
| 01:46.26 | eoss | and i dont have access to the script to debug |
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| 01:48.18 | abrotman | what does the script do if it's ssh'ing in and not doing anything ? |
| 01:48.38 | eoss | it then telnets to something...but just because i dont see a telnet doesnt mean it didnt successfully connect |
| 01:49.01 | eoss | it could successfully connect and then there be an issue with the telnet script |
| 01:49.15 | eoss | where it didnt activate because the regex is wrong waiting for a prompt for example |
| 01:49.58 | eoss | so i need precision in knowing if it connected...and dunno why last doesn't work, because i logged in to the script user myself manually to see if last would pick it up and it didnt |
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| 01:57.38 | themill | mroe: what do you have in /etc/hosts? |
| 01:57.57 | mroe | ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback |
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| 01:59.30 | themill | that's all? |
| 02:00.24 | mroe | http://paste.debian.net/4044/ |
| 02:00.28 | mroe | there's the full file |
| 02:01.14 | themill | hmm... the lack of anything for localhost, hostname and fqdn is unconventional to say the least |
| 02:01.41 | mroe | it's a stock wheezy install |
| 02:02.55 | themill | that doesn't look like anything that I've ever seen the installer create |
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| 02:03.27 | mroe | I don't know what to tell you |
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| 02:05.10 | themill | Is this an image from a hosting provider? |
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| 02:07.03 | themill | Anyway, adding lines for «127.0.0.1 localhost» «127.0.1.1 hostname.example.org hostname» should solve this. (You can put your real IP instead of 127.0.1.1 instead). |
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| 02:15.27 | Walhter | Heya, there is a bad dep with libgl1-mesa-glx on multiarch in sid. Does anyone know the fix? |
| 02:15.49 | abrotman | could you be more explicit? |
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| 02:16.37 | Walhter | " |
| 02:16.42 | Walhter | when upgrading that package i get a "trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libglapi-mesa/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of packag.." |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | !tell Walhter about overwrite |
| 02:17.26 | abrotman | not sure how that applies to multiarch though |
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| 02:17.49 | Walhter | I'll try |
| 02:18.54 | themill | welcome to multiarch. |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | do they end up with -doc packages for this type of thing ? |
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| 02:19.59 | Walhter | I need multiarch for Citrix plugin (need it for work) |
| 02:20.31 | themill | abrotman: you can't binnmu multiarch:same packages (or you can, but you then have this problem) |
| 02:20.51 | Walhter | abrotman: it worked |
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| 02:21.58 | Walhter | thanks |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | yay |
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| 02:26.13 | themill | dpkg multiarch changelog is <reply>If dpkg complains that it can't "overwrite shared /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.Debian.gz" for packages marked "Multi-Arch: same", force dpkg to overwrite the files with «apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install $package». When Multi-Arch: same packages are binNMU'd as part of a <transition> they get different changelogs on each architecture. Ask me about <multiarch> <binNMU>. |
| 02:26.13 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 02:26.42 | dvs | dpkg it's not ok! |
| 02:26.43 | dpkg | dvs: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:27.22 | funnybunny | what to do to update a users groups? |
| 02:27.24 | funnybunny | inside a screen that is.. simply running bash doesn't suffice |
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| 02:32.25 | abrotman | funnybunny: newgrp ? |
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| 02:33.32 | funnybunny | oh!? |
| 02:33.39 | funnybunny | i just did su same user |
| 02:33.52 | funnybunny | newgrp is like sourcing the groups fileß |
| 02:33.53 | funnybunny | *? |
| 02:34.05 | boudiccas | is 'midnight-commander' on the repos please? i cant find it with using 'locate' or 'apt-cache search' |
| 02:34.29 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about cross-post |
| 02:35.26 | xiamx | I'm sshed in to my college's lab machine, where I'm not root, but I want to create a "rootless envirment" where i can install mongodb and etc, is this possible? |
| 02:36.14 | eoss | is there a way to get a history of the file ownership and group of a file? |
| 02:36.19 | funnybunny | xiamx: you can always compile it yourself and run it from the dirs |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | eoss: with ext3? |
| 02:36.37 | eoss | i dont know the file format..let me find out? |
| 02:37.01 | eoss | how do i know? |
| 02:37.02 | xiamx | funnybunny: yeh i know that, but i want a structured file hierachy with my own /etc /var and.. |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | eoss: cat /proc/mounts |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | xiamx: like a chroot ? |
| 02:37.53 | eoss | abrotman: it says ext4 in here |
| 02:38.05 | funnybunny | oh, right.. xiamx you can probably download a minimal install of some distro and chroot into it.. gentoo comes to mind since you just have to unpack a stage archive and got a working env |
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| 02:39.54 | themill | funnybunny: you can make a real debian chroot and be able to install packages in it. You need to be root to set it up but you can use schroot to gain access to it without being root |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | eoss: not that i'm aware of |
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| 02:41.45 | eoss | abrotman: ok >., |
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| 02:42.31 | abrotman | eoss: other filesystems do offer that, they're not standard filesystems |
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| 02:52.33 | isaias | hello. I'm having screen resolution problems |
| 02:52.58 | isaias | i only have 640x480 resolution |
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| 02:54.15 | knoppix | howto set iso disk images as apt sources ? or is that beyond the abilities of apt ? |
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| 02:55.12 | mikerose357 | odd question in grubs menu.1st config file can the the title be more than one line? |
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| 02:59.53 | themill | knoppix: debian's apt can't do that; whether knoppix can or not is a question for #knoppix. |
| 03:00.14 | killing-joke | are there any system-virtualization tools in kFreeBSD aside from jails? i see that OpenVZ is out across the board. |
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| 03:01.39 | WillyB | knoppix: linuxconfig.org has an article dealing with how to include ISO image into sources.list file. |
| 03:01.57 | knoppix | themill: i am not interested in whether knoppix can. and thanks for the answer. "why do people assume that because one uses knoppix to repair a broken debian, that they are asking knoppix questions. |
| 03:02.04 | knoppix | WillyB: thank you |
| 03:02.58 | themill | knoppix: because 99% of people who can't even work out how to pick a nick in the irc client in knoppix are just asking knoppix questions in #debian. |
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| 03:11.01 | i00nsu | Hi all, anyone knows a power-manager for terminal/server |
| 03:11.04 | i00nsu | ? |
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| 03:15.03 | killing-joke | i00nsu, if you buy a hardware power cycling device from a company like APC, it will have an embedded web server |
| 03:15.20 | killing-joke | you can use the embedded web server to turn things on and off |
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| 03:17.05 | i00nsu | killing-joke: well thanks for that information, but I mean it for a simple laptop |
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| 03:18.25 | killing-joke | laptops have ACPI. linux (like in Debian, RH, etc) has a bunch of nice methods and values exposed in /proc/acpi |
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| 03:20.00 | killing-joke | on my laptop, i can do #cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info; and see battery type: LION (and a lot more) |
| 03:20.05 | i00nsu | wow I forgot that |
| 03:20.10 | i00nsu | yes yes |
| 03:20.12 | i00nsu | <3 |
| 03:20.38 | killing-joke | it's very useful. you can access it from Bash, Python, Ruby, whatever |
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| 03:22.10 | i00nsu | yes. I main reason is to check when batery is endding |
| 03:22.27 | i00nsu | I = The main\... |
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| 03:23.55 | killing-joke | no problem. try 'cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state' to see what it is up to. |
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| 03:29.13 | mradot | help please |
| 03:29.17 | mradot | when trying to connect with my other laptop to internet with wpa_supplicant i get this error: |
| 03:29.23 | mradot | wlan0: Unsupported driver 'ath5k' |
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| 03:31.46 | killing-joke | maybe you can build a custom kernel: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k |
| 03:32.14 | mradot | i have the driver |
| 03:32.48 | mradot | i can do it just fine with network manager btw |
| 03:32.59 | killing-joke | mradot, do you get any other errors in the kernel message buffer? |
| 03:33.21 | mradot | is that dmesg |
| 03:33.25 | killing-joke | yes |
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| 03:33.39 | mradot | let me loo |
| 03:33.42 | mradot | k |
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| 03:35.08 | mradot | no |
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| 03:37.07 | killing-joke | mradot, can you open your NetworkManager preferences and change the AP mode from 'infrastructure' to 'ad-hoc'? |
| 03:39.07 | mradot | no |
| 03:39.44 | mradot | i can't clikc the save button |
| 03:40.06 | killing-joke | ah hah |
| 03:40.36 | killing-joke | do you need to run your preferences editor as root? use sudo? something like that? |
| 03:40.36 | mradot | what |
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| 03:40.47 | mradot | i am root |
| 03:40.56 | killing-joke | how ... frustrating |
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| 03:43.39 | mradot | so what do i do |
| 03:44.38 | killing-joke | is one of the laptops configured to run in infrastructure mode? to act like an access point? |
| 03:45.41 | mradot | no |
| 03:46.32 | killing-joke | uhhh. eh heh ... can you switch to Bluetooth? |
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| 03:47.12 | mradot | don't know how |
| 03:47.17 | mradot | why would i do that anyways |
| 03:47.34 | mradot | i just want to use wpa_supplicant on my other laptop :( |
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| 03:49.01 | killing-joke | but you can't drive wpa_supplicant with NetworkManager? (which is already working?) |
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| 03:50.03 | mradot | i don't know what you mean :( |
| 03:50.26 | killing-joke | it sounds like you have a working setup, but (possibly) don't want to use it |
| 03:50.37 | mradot | yes |
| 03:50.47 | mradot | i want to use wpa_supplicant |
| 03:50.57 | mradot | i am making a program |
| 03:51.14 | mradot | and i need to know how to do it to add it to my program |
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| 03:51.56 | killing-joke | if i were writing something to work just like NM, i might run wpa_supplicant in single-threaded mode in the foreground under strace |
| 03:52.10 | killing-joke | and record every syscall, and all args to it |
| 03:52.33 | killing-joke | if that didn't provide insight, it would be time for gdb |
| 03:53.47 | mradot | i use the wext driver on this computer |
| 03:53.55 | killing-joke | strace can show you how the running service does annoying undocumented crap like check for variables in the environment, fiddle with special FIFOs or sockets, and things like that |
| 03:53.56 | mradot | and wpa_supplicant works just fine |
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| 03:55.30 | killing-joke | perhaps try reading wpa_cli(8) |
| 03:55.55 | mradot | ok |
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| 04:02.48 | mradot | i don't see why i need to learn about wpa_cli |
| 04:03.03 | mradot | i already know wpa_supplicant but i just get that error |
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| 04:21.03 | i00nsu | how to make screenshot of desktop in term way? |
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| 04:23.46 | themill | dpkg: tell i00nsu about screenshot |
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| 05:20.19 | kenifanying | hi all, i upgrade squeeze to wheezy , when i try to install linux-headers i get some errors, see http://paste.debian.net/4060/ ,any ideas? |
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| 05:25.21 | themill | kenifanying: do you know what dkms packages you have installed? Can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~ndkms~i" and "find /var/lib/dkms/ -maxdepth 2" for me please? |
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| 05:26.22 | kenifanying | themill, ok ,wait ... |
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| 05:27.25 | kenifanying | themill, aptitude search ~ndkms~i show "i A dkms - Dynamic Kernel Module Support Framework " |
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| 05:28.37 | kenifanying | themill, find /var/lib/dkms -maxdepth 2 , see http://paste.debian.net/4061/ |
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| 05:29.41 | themill | I take it you use the vbox stuff from virtualbox.org not the debian packages then. |
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| 05:30.25 | kenifanying | themill, so how can i fix it? |
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| 05:31.57 | themill | kenifanying: One or more of those /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.x.y directories is causing the problem... perhaps all of them. What does «find /var/lib/dkms/ -name dkms.conf» output? |
| 05:32.41 | kenifanying | themill, /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.1.8/build/dkms.conf |
| 05:33.57 | themill | ok. I'd move all of those /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.x.y directories out of the way for the time being and see if you can get the rest of the upgrade to proceed. You can install virtualbox stuff again afterwards once you've completed the upgrade. |
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| 05:38.17 | kenifanying | themill, I have try mv /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost to /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost.old and then run sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall linux-headers-`uname -r` but it still report error |
| 05:38.25 | kenifanying | sorry for my english |
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| 05:40.20 | themill | kenifanying: I'd move them entirely out of /var/lib/dkms. It's entirely possible it's complaining about some other dkms.conf of course. The error message isn't exactly great. (And your English is fine -- don't stress about that) |
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| 05:41.46 | truexfan81 | themill: from that paste the only other thing he has in there is /var/lib/dkms/dkms_dbversion could that possibly be causing it? |
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| 05:42.33 | kenifanying | themill, thanks, it works now! |
| 05:42.38 | themill | :) |
| 05:42.47 | truexfan81 | answered my question :) |
| 05:43.15 | |thunder | someone name an awesome movie ive never seen. last one was I heart the huckabees and it was GREAT ! |
| 05:43.16 | themill | truexfan81: the only other dkms.conf I know of is /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf -- any dir structure under /var/lib/dkms is assumed to be something dkms should operate on |
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| 05:43.38 | themill | |thunder: perhaps you wanted #defocus |
| 05:43.39 | truexfan81 | themill: yep that makes sense |
| 05:43.51 | |thunder | thanks |
| 05:44.31 | themill | kenifanying: ok, I guess you'll want to reinstall some virtualbox host stuff once apt is finished. Debian includes virtualbox packages in the archive so you can use them. I don't know how hard it is to switch from virtualbox.org to debian packages. |
| 05:45.08 | kenifanying | themill, thanks again :) |
| 05:45.44 | themill | No worries. Happy hunting |
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| 05:49.21 | rryoumaa | i tried installing from a verified wheezy rc1 iso, dated 2013-02-19. had some issues and could not continue. |
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| 05:50.00 | truexfan81 | rryoumaa: did it give you an error message or anything you could share with us? |
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| 05:50.21 | rryoumaa | truexfan81: hi. a few things. first, it said that it was a squeeze cd, even though it was a wheezy cd. i thought that was strange. |
| 05:50.51 | truexfan81 | i agree that is strange |
| 05:50.54 | themill | Any reason you'd use a wheezy rc1 when there are rc2, rc3 and stable images you could use instead? |
| 05:51.04 | rryoumaa | themill: i already had it |
| 05:51.08 | rryoumaa | i can try again with the latest |
| 05:51.23 | themill | I don't think anyone is interested in bug reports on the outdated installed image at this stage |
| 05:51.31 | rryoumaa | understandable |
| 05:51.49 | truexfan81 | rryoumaa: wheezy has gone stable now, so just grab the regular wheezy iso and you should be good to go |
| 05:52.10 | rryoumaa | i found partitioning to be incomprehensible. is there a way to run cfdisk or something? |
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| 05:54.30 | rryoumaa | ideally i'd have encryption without lvm (to keep things from being too involved). is that possible at all? |
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| 05:55.05 | rryoumaa | (i will get the new iso, but i assume these questions will still apply) |
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| 06:13.03 | rryoumaa | by the way, how long can i expect lvm setup to take on a 2tb hard drive? (it stuck there at 0% for a long time, so i don't know if it was working or stalled.) |
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| 06:16.38 | truexfan81 | you trying to encrypt the drive? |
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| 06:17.40 | JLT | Hello people. |
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| 06:17.49 | JLT | And maybe not so people. |
| 06:18.03 | rryoumaa | truexfan81: yes, although i don't need lvm, but lvm was the option for encrypting |
| 06:19.10 | truexfan81 | i'd find something else to do for a day or so |
| 06:19.37 | JLT | I am running a VPS and the host only supplies Debian Squeeze, so I attempted to upgrade to Wheezy. The majority went fine, however I'm missing logging.. completely. klogd ended up breaking, but there was also busybox-syslogd that was installed. So I uninstalled klogd and attempted to reisntall it, and it said "note: selecting 'busybox-syslogd' instead of 'klogd'" but never the less, nothing gets logged in /var/log, nothing at all. The only thin |
| 06:19.44 | JLT | Any idea how I would fix this? |
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| 06:23.21 | rryoumaa | truexfan81: ok, that gives me an idea then. i guess i will disconnect the peripherals (because i need to use them for the computer i am using now) while it does that. that's ok, right? |
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| 06:24.55 | rryoumaa | can i do this without lvm so i don't have to encrypt the whole disk? |
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| 06:26.29 | truexfan81 | i believe that any FS encryption has to encrypt the entire disc |
| 06:26.47 | rryoumaa | truexfan81: oh, i thought it was possible to encrypt a partition |
| 06:26.56 | rryoumaa | using luks and dm-crypt, or somehting like that |
| 06:27.21 | truexfan81 | if anyone has experience with this please speak up, i personally have not used any of it |
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| 06:30.53 | rryoumaa | (i did so long ago, so i know it's possible, but i have no idea how to do it in the installer) |
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| 06:34.37 | talin | hello. is there some sort of "boot only" image of debian that i can download? i would like to make a minimal installation |
| 06:34.56 | talin | and then rather download packages with dpkg |
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| 06:35.47 | truexfan81 | talin: netinstall is what you want http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 06:36.11 | talin | truexfan81: ah, excellent. thank you! |
| 06:36.18 | truexfan81 | np |
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| 07:10.36 | GinTonicool | hi guys, nfs common utilities statd failed ,what's wrong with it ? |
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| 07:11.16 | boodie | Hi, good morning to those where it's morning ... ! |
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| 07:12.25 | GinTonicool | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5663670/ |
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| 07:16.44 | boodie | I have a problem [just upgraded to wheezy]: when I browse into some websites (i.e. http://www.email.it), iceweasel freezes. Ok, I close it, but then, X is totally frozen (no response to mouse / keyboard), and then I have to reboot. How can I avoid such problems? One might say, avoid certain sites, but it's like walking in a minefield ... |
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| 07:18.11 | boodie | The same thing happened when I launched the utility "System Monitor" ... |
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| 07:37.35 | ksk | ,versions mcabber |
| 07:37.36 | judd | Package: mcabber on i386 -- squeeze: 0.10.0-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.10.1-3; jessie: 0.10.1-4; sid: 0.10.1-4 |
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| 07:46.41 | Agiofws | is it possible to run my windows partition via linux through vmplayer ? |
| 07:47.36 | Agiofws | also is it possible to boot INTO windows from debian choosing the 4th selection in grub via a script ? |
| 07:48.15 | ksk | sure thing. run update-grub and it should detect your windows installation? |
| 07:48.40 | ksk | you want to use your "windows for hardware" inside a VM? its possible but not cool and kinda dirty. |
| 07:49.27 | ksk | you can access your data easily, and you can run a windows vm easily. I'd suggest that ( or a combination of both ) |
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| 07:50.37 | Agiofws | kind of dirty ? |
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| 07:53.39 | Dewi | Agiofws: windows isn't a big fan of you changing the hardware out from underneath it |
| 07:53.42 | ksk | that windows has drivers included to run with a specific hardware. its like you always remove your hdd from your pc to built it into another one |
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| 07:54.31 | Dewi | Agiofws: it used to fail hard in the XP days. These days it often survives but not if the storage changes too much, and it updates heaps of drivers, etc etc |
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| 07:54.57 | otters | how do I figure out what package provides the psql binary? |
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| 07:55.21 | Dewi | otters: cheat, search packages.debian.org |
| 07:55.25 | nkuttler | otters: dpkg -S `which psql` |
| 07:55.35 | jelly-home | otters: apt-file |
| 07:55.43 | jelly-home | or |
| 07:55.51 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/psql |
| 07:55.54 | otters | will |
| 07:55.55 | otters | well |
| 07:55.56 | judd | Search for bin/psql in wheezy/i386: postgresql-client-common: usr/bin/psql; postgresql-client-9.1: usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/psql; postgresql-9.1-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/psql |
| 07:56.00 | Agiofws | " of you changing the hardware out from underneath it" what does that mean why do i need to change the hardware ? i just use vmplayer to boot my vista partition ? |
| 07:56.22 | otters | okay |
| 07:56.28 | otters | I installed postgresql-client-common but it doesn't provide psql |
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| 07:56.58 | jelly-home | otters: which debian release? |
| 07:57.11 | otters | jessie/sid |
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| 07:57.43 | jelly-home | otters: jessie or sid? pastein your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 07:57.48 | otters | that's what /etc/issue says |
| 07:57.49 | otters | one sec |
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| 07:59.47 | otters | https://gist.github.com/joelteon/09c518d2c7019a7675df is my sources.list |
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| 08:00.33 | jelly-home | otters: you've had some other sources used before |
| 08:00.43 | otters | the thing is, I just sort of inexpertly restored from a backup, and dpkg is reporting me having a lot of packages installed that I don't have installed |
| 08:00.53 | otters | I haven't touched that sources.list |
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| 08:01.52 | jelly-home | I'd suggest a clean reinstallation |
| 08:02.12 | otters | fair enough |
| 08:02.20 | otters | do you have any idea why apt-get install postgresql wouldn't be giving me psql? |
| 08:02.26 | otters | it's part of the package, isn't it? |
| 08:02.53 | jelly-home | lots of ideas, all boiling down to already inconsistent state of the installation |
| 08:03.05 | otters | figured |
| 08:03.33 | jelly-home | otters: you have versions already installed that are not part of "wheezy" but something later. This can make any further installations act unreliably |
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| 08:03.46 | otters | oh, I see |
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| 08:12.54 | fireba11 | hi, i just tried hotswapping a HD but fdisk -l still shows the old size. anything else i need to do? |
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| 08:21.22 | boodie | Hi |
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| 08:24.35 | rryoumaa | is lvm any safer or less safe than not using it when the disk is corrupted? |
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| 08:27.59 | rjsalts | rryoumaa: depends |
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| 08:34.32 | rryoumaa | i'd ideally like to avoid lvm, because it's another layer, but then i don't want to have to supply passwords for every partition. if somebody told me it's much safer or much less safe than using regular partitions, then i'd make the decision based on that. |
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| 08:35.11 | Dewi | rryoumaa: I don't think there's a huge difference but I'd say the extra layer makes it less safe |
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| 08:35.44 | Dewi | until you want to dynamically resize things or take a snapshot |
| 08:36.14 | rjsalts | rryoumaa: you can also do mirroring of content with lvm |
| 08:36.34 | rjsalts | rryoumaa: although I'd probably be inclined to do that with software raid rather than lvm |
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| 08:39.19 | Hans_Henrik | debian 7 released :o .. is there any good reason to "upgrade" my debian6 server? |
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| 08:39.45 | caf | yes |
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| 08:40.02 | rryoumaa | snapshotting sounds wonderful. however, i sort of have a down to basics attitude toward this stuff. (i just want it to work and not deal with another layer of abstraction and i'm ok with not having snapshots or resizing if necessary.) |
| 08:40.09 | caf | security updates for squeeze will stop in a year |
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| 08:40.26 | Hans_Henrik | holy sh**, yeah thats a huge issue for me |
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| 08:40.46 | caf | so you are going to want to upgrade within 12 months |
| 08:41.03 | boodie | Hi: after updating to wheezy, I experienced some iceweasel freezes, when accessing some sites (i.e. http://www.email.it). Problem is, X freezes too (no inputs from keyboard / mouse), so the only option is rebooting. Chromium doesn't seem to suffer from the same problem, so the 1st option would be to use this browser... The X freeze occurred also while launching the utility System Monitor. Is there a way to get out of the X ha |
| 08:41.13 | caf | i've now done 3 squeeze->wheezy upgrades and it was pretty painless |
| 08:41.35 | boodie | caf: mine was a nightmare |
| 08:41.36 | Hans_Henrik | simply.. apt-get upgrade; ? |
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| 08:41.56 | Dewi | Hans_Henrik: mostly, you should read the guide though to avoid problems |
| 08:41.57 | caf | boodie: ctrl-alt-backspace should kill X |
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| 08:42.04 | Hans_Henrik | (i don't recall doing much surgery with the server anyway) |
| 08:42.13 | caf | yeah definitely read the release notes |
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| 08:42.22 | Dewi | I usually run into some service or other needing some config changes, but all in all it never takes more than half an hour |
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| 08:42.36 | Dewi | never had a major issue on a stable -> stable upgrade yet |
| 08:42.45 | boodie | caf: I know - no, it doesn't, unfortunately |
| 08:43.08 | boodie | caf: I installed gdm3, so maybe this is why ... |
| 08:43.11 | Hans_Henrik | Dewi, what guide? |
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| 08:43.14 | caf | Hans_Henrik: pretty much upgrade then dist-upgrade but read the release notes |
| 08:43.27 | Hans_Henrik | caf, will do |
| 08:43.34 | et | boodie: you can try alt-sysrq-k |
| 08:43.43 | Hans_Henrik | maybe i should have read the topic.. |
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| 08:44.22 | et | boodie: the sysrq key is usually the same as the printscreen key, above the insert/delete/home... block |
| 08:44.40 | boodie | Interesting. Alt - sysrq - k ... ok, I'll try. |
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| 08:45.08 | boodie | Any hints about iceweasel? seems a bit fragile ... |
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| 08:46.58 | Hans_Henrik | "Contrary to our wishes, there may be some problems that exist in the release, even though it is declared stable. We've made a list of the major known problems" << almost.. disappointed.. didn't expect that statement from debian, the project that never wants to do stable releases :o |
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| 08:47.20 | et | boodie: that sounds (it is not sure, but it sounds like) a graphics driver issue |
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| 08:48.43 | boodie | Yeah ... I have the diabolical nvidia, that finally works (thanks to the help of some of the good people present ...), but probably is still a bit limp |
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| 08:49.57 | boodie | I must say, when it works, it's lovely; some games now play fantastic, whereas with squeeze they didn't |
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| 08:50.51 | AciD` | re |
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| 08:51.13 | AciD` | after having downloaded and dd'ed the live hybrid iso to a usb key |
| 08:51.16 | Hans_Henrik | i'm confused.. debian7 released with "kFreeBSD kernel 8.3 and 9.0" and "Linux 3.2" |
| 08:51.36 | AciD` | I'm still stuck to the "Detect and mount CD" step during the installation process of debian 7 |
| 08:51.37 | Hans_Henrik | .. did they put 3 kernels in the dvds? |
| 08:51.49 | AciD` | anybody managed to install debian from a usb key ? |
| 08:52.18 | AciD` | Hans_Henrik > usually there is 1 cd/dvd per architecture |
| 08:52.20 | Dewi | Hans_Henrik: no, the kfreebsds are labelled like archs |
| 08:52.32 | caf | the kfreebsd version of debian is a different architecture with a different dvd set |
| 08:52.41 | Hans_Henrik | oh good |
| 08:53.04 | caf | but as a separate matter there _are_ several kernel packages for some archs |
| 08:53.14 | Hans_Henrik | is there still CD-verions of Debian? (like ubuntu dropped the CDs, only DVD-size isos available) |
| 08:53.28 | caf | for example i386 has -486, -686-pae and -amd64 kernel packages |
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| 08:54.04 | Dewi | Hans_Henrik: that's not true, both have CDs |
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| 08:55.01 | Dewi | Hans_Henrik: oh sorry, you might be right, it's only *slightly* above 700mb so I didn't notice |
| 08:55.37 | Dewi | Hans_Henrik: anyway debian does still have actual CDs |
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| 08:55.48 | caf | i haven't bothered downloading ven the full CD versions of debian since Woody |
| 08:55.49 | Hans_Henrik | good, thanks |
| 08:55.57 | caf | netinst iso is the way to go |
| 08:56.02 | Dewi | I usually use netinst also |
| 08:56.11 | boodie | While booting I still have lots of errors / warnings ... could somebody give me a hint on how to cleanup? |
| 08:56.15 | Dewi | but I'm a minimalist... |
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| 08:57.08 | AciD` | Dewi > can you use netinst on a usb key ? |
| 08:57.44 | Dewi | AciD`: yes |
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| 09:00.40 | caf | you can just dd the netinst iso to a usb key |
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| 09:01.32 | Dewi | the 'hybrid' ones work in a bunch of contexts |
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| 09:01.51 | kikokos | hi |
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| 09:03.29 | kikokos | I've got a problem :) So basically it started with locale, they were dissapearing after using one app I had to reset X and then everything was ok,. but now even after reset i have neither pl nor de layout, and alt button causes blinking of a light at scroll lock |
| 09:03.38 | kikokos | I'd really appreciate any suggestions |
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| 09:04.14 | kikokos | locale shows en now but I can change it to pl that's fine - the thing is that it doesnt change anything alt doesnt work in both cases |
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| 09:05.43 | kikokos | why is my alt working as a scroll lock? |
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| 09:06.22 | makism | hello, i am thinking moving to debian. one of my concerns is about kde. i see only 4.8.x? what about 4.10.x? :-) |
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| 09:06.55 | jelly-home | makism: what about it? |
| 09:07.40 | makism | jelly-home, are there packages? |
| 09:07.50 | jelly-home | it's not packaged, you'll have to live with 4.8 for the duration of this release |
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| 09:08.55 | jelly-home | sometimes, the kde team makes newer kde sc available at their site, but that's typically for users that want to help with fixing debian and use testing or unstable branches |
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| 09:09.53 | makism | jelly-home, i see |
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| 09:10.36 | jelly-home | makism: they announce those at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ and http://qt-kde.debian.net/ |
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| 09:11.06 | DamienCassou | would you recommend using a 64bits Debian for a new install on a 64bits laptop? |
| 09:11.27 | DamienCassou | or are there still too many problems with a 64bits architecture? |
| 09:12.44 | rjsalts | DamienCassou: no reason to avoid amd64, multiarch means you can have proprietary 32 bit apps installed |
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| 09:13.06 | DamienCassou | so I will try that, thank you |
| 09:13.16 | rjsalts | DamienCassou: assuming those were the problems you meant |
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| 09:14.07 | Chat0385 | Yo, |
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| 09:16.33 | Chat0385 | Yo |
| 09:17.11 | Chat0385 | I like vagina |
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| 09:18.23 | S0-2 | Hi, just installed Debian from netinst via USB. The installer used my connection for scanning the mirrors, but I simply can't connect in the installed system. lspci shows my network card, but ifconfig shows nothing but lo. I can connect on other systems in multiboot. |
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| 09:19.58 | nevyn | S0-2: what card? |
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| 09:20.35 | S0-2 | On board chipset MCP61 |
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| 09:21.28 | jelly-home | S0-2: what's the pci id for that ethernet card? |
| 09:21.31 | mumpitzel | S0-2: ifconfig -a is ethX now shown? |
| 09:21.31 | nevyn | arm? |
| 09:21.43 | S0-2 | amd64 |
| 09:22.07 | S0-2 | 00:07.0 |
| 09:22.08 | jelly-home | [8086:10f0] <- pciid |
| 09:22.14 | mumpitzel | S0-2: lspci -n |
| 09:22.22 | mumpitzel | but nvidia chips are all supported |
| 09:22.37 | jelly-home | lspci -nn, even |
| 09:22.46 | S0-2 | 10de:03ef |
| 09:22.53 | jelly-home | ,pciid 10de:03ef |
| 09:22.55 | judd | [10de:03ef] is 'MCP61 Ethernet' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'forcedeth', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03ef and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 09:23.02 | jelly-home | forcedeth, then |
| 09:23.29 | mumpitzel | S0-2: /sbin/ifconfig -a there should be an eth? already |
| 09:23.31 | S0-2 | ifconfig -a doesn't show ethX either |
| 09:24.01 | mumpitzel | modprobe forcedeth; dmesg |grep deth |
| 09:24.02 | jelly-home | S0-2: what happens with dmesg output if you "modprobe forcedeth" manually? |
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| 09:24.34 | mumpitzel | it should show something like "[ 1.334575] forcedeth: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.64." |
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| 09:25.22 | Hans_Henrik | why do we finacially support the assholes @nvidia ? :( |
| 09:25.33 | S0-2 | Strange, it's looking for stuff that used to be on this partition before it was formatted - Arch Linux. |
| 09:26.20 | mumpitzel | Hans_Henrik: cause we like them as much as the assholes at amd and at intel |
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| 09:26.27 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: because their stuff works |
| 09:26.38 | mumpitzel | fsvo |
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| 09:28.02 | Hans_Henrik | "oh, how it works? secret. oh, you tried to see how the shit you bought WORKS? SUE TIME! oh you need a driver? here's 1.. its unstable though, and we'll sue you if you try to reverse it, ofc" |
| 09:28.11 | Hans_Henrik | isn't that.. pretty much how it goes? |
| 09:28.12 | Hans_Henrik | sad |
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| 09:30.18 | S0-2 | The error is a libkmod error referring to arch modules. Sucks for me that I'm on phone and can't type it out. |
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| 09:30.33 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: no, that's not how it goes. As you can see the nouveau people have successfully engaged in a bit of rev.eng. No suing involved when done properly. |
| 09:30.53 | Hans_Henrik | >done properly |
| 09:30.54 | Hans_Henrik | ? |
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| 09:31.18 | jelly-home | -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:32.36 | tklassen | Hello together |
| 09:32.50 | tklassen | I just wanted to install Debian on a USB-Stick |
| 09:32.58 | tklassen | but he fails with installing GRUb onto it. |
| 09:33.12 | tklassen | Any suggestions? |
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| 09:33.29 | nevyn | mumpitzel: tbf intel and amd play epicly better than nvidia |
| 09:33.42 | nevyn | s/play/play with others/ |
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| 09:34.48 | AciD` | hm.. 1/dd debian7 live iso to usb key 2/install via graphical install on /dev/sdg using the whole disk and lvm, then install grub on that hd 3/reboot -> grub is ok, but switch back to busybox saying /dev/mapper/AciD-root does not exist |
| 09:34.53 | AciD` | wt* ? |
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| 09:37.35 | AciD` | (this was not the -encrypted- lvm btw) |
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| 09:38.27 | S0-2 | Why is debian looking for files that were formatted when it was installed? |
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| 09:39.03 | S0-2 | When installing, it suggested my old hostname too. |
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| 09:39.09 | tklassen | Invawhat?? |
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| 09:39.30 | tklassen | I have tried a normal setup to a USB-Stick with one partition |
| 09:40.13 | nevyn | S0-2: do you have a dynamic dns server? |
| 09:41.57 | koshie_ | Hi. I've created a ssh key from my wheezy client, I've send it to my wheezy server by using ssh-copy-id. The key is into the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but when I'm trying to connect it ask for password. An idea please? |
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| 09:45.43 | ksk | koshie_: set "PubkeyAuthentication yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 09:46.23 | ksk | also see "ssh -v" if you connect to see which authentication methods are supported |
| 09:46.41 | koshie_ | ksk: Already using PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 09:46.50 | koshie_ | ksk: it's very verbous but I'll try :) |
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| 09:47.27 | ksk | " It also changes the permissions of the remote user's home, ~/.ssh, and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys to remove group writability (which would otherwise |
| 09:47.30 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.33 | ksk | " |
| 09:47.33 | ksk | from man ssh-copy-id |
| 09:47.36 | ksk | sory for the bad baste. |
| 09:47.44 | koshie_ | Ok I understand I guess, it's trying to use id_rsa.pub which is NOT the one I want to use on this server |
| 09:47.46 | ksk | so check your perms. also take a look at the logfile |
| 09:48.48 | et | koshie_: if you have a "nonstandard" name, you have to tell ssh (the client) which key to use |
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| 09:49.15 | et | koshie_: either ssh-add it, specify it on the command line or put it in ~/.ssh/config for that host with the IdentityFile option |
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| 09:52.22 | koshie_ | et: yeah the name isn't standard. |
| 09:52.55 | KittyColege | How do I update the system time without a reboot? I already put "Europe/London" into /etc/timezone |
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| 09:53.02 | KittyColege | it's requiring a reboot :/ |
| 09:53.23 | no_gravity | Hello! My desktop machine is makinig a lot of fan noise even though sensors says that all fans are at 0 rpm. Any idea how to go about that? |
| 09:54.07 | KittyColege | no_gravity, This channel can't help you with hardware. Take it to ##hardware |
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| 09:54.17 | ksk | KittyColege: dpkg-reconfigure tz-data iirc |
| 09:54.21 | KittyColege | ksk, thnx :3 |
| 09:55.14 | KittyColege | ksk, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tz-data is not installed |
| 09:55.17 | CybDev | chances are your sensors are set up wrong no_gravity, see manual for whatever you are using to read sensor data for how to set it up... |
| 09:55.20 | no_gravity | KittyColege: finding out what fan is running and how to stop it is a hardware problem as it is a software problem. |
| 09:55.23 | KittyColege | So I try to install and there is no such package |
| 09:55.28 | KittyColege | and yes I updated APT today |
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| 09:55.52 | jelly-home | KittyColege: is this still on the arm tablet? |
| 09:56.00 | KittyColege | jelly-home, no |
| 09:56.16 | KittyColege | It is an ARM device tho |
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| 09:56.43 | jelly-home | which device in particular? |
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| 09:56.49 | KittyColege | jelly-home, rpi |
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| 09:57.25 | jelly-home | KittyColege: and you're running actual debian on it, not raspbian? |
| 09:57.32 | KittyColege | jelly-home, Apparently |
| 09:57.41 | KittyColege | atleast they called it Debian and not Raspbian |
| 09:57.46 | jelly-home | KittyColege: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
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| 09:58.31 | KittyColege | jelly-home, armhf |
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| 09:58.37 | KittyColege | hardware float |
| 09:58.50 | jelly-home | KittyColege: debian armhf can't run on rpi, that has to be raspbian |
| 09:58.53 | jelly-home | !raspbian |
| 09:58.54 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 09:58.59 | KittyColege | ... |
| 09:59.00 | KittyColege | oh |
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| 09:59.04 | KittyColege | er |
| 09:59.04 | jelly-home | the right channel is thataway |
| 09:59.09 | KittyColege | okies |
| 09:59.11 | KittyColege | :3 |
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| 10:06.06 | tklassen | Anyone who can tell my I cant install GRUB on a USB-Stick? |
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| 10:08.15 | b0lt | tklassen: someone stole the stick? |
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| 10:08.28 | tklassen | hmh? No it´s my stick |
| 10:08.38 | tklassen | I just want to install wheezy on it |
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| 10:08.47 | tklassen | But grub-install fails |
| 10:08.55 | tklassen | invaild partition table recursive partition on /dev/sda |
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| 10:10.28 | b0lt | tklassen: i was just making a suggestion based on the vast amount of information you provided with your question. based on the new information, however, may i suggest googling "recursive partition table usb" or similar? (without the quotes) |
| 10:10.42 | b0lt | there are multiple very promising results |
| 10:12.02 | tklassen | bolt: But shouldn´t work out of box= |
| 10:12.39 | b0lt | not if the partition table is broken |
| 10:12.46 | b0lt | an automatic attempt at fixing it might corrupt data |
| 10:12.56 | tklassen | Do I have to prepare the stick before install it? |
| 10:13.07 | b0lt | and some people don't take backups of important stuff on an easily corruptible medium that's also easily lost |
| 10:13.23 | tklassen | I could format it with gparted |
| 10:13.36 | b0lt | tklassen: there's a problem with the partition table on the stick. read the google results i pointed you at |
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| 10:16.09 | tklassen | Ok I will create an ext4 on it |
| 10:16.16 | tklassen | just for testing |
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| 10:38.11 | tklassen | bolt: that did not work. I have created a filesystem which is ok, but grub wont install |
| 10:39.01 | dimer | hi, after upgrading to wheezy, my lvm volumes disappeared, pvscan says no volumes found, though i can see my PV with pvdisplay /dev/md3, for example. pvs also sees PV,VG and LV's |
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| 10:41.20 | nevyn | dimer: so pvscan is only for looking for new pv's |
| 10:41.26 | nevyn | if it's listed in pv's it's recognised. |
| 10:41.38 | nevyn | does vgs list your volume group? |
| 10:41.50 | dimer | nevyn, pvdisplay without args shows nothing, |
| 10:42.02 | nevyn | pvdisplay /dev/md3 |
| 10:42.11 | dimer | yes, shows only like that |
| 10:42.23 | nevyn | try vgchange -a y |
| 10:42.29 | dimer | says no VG found |
| 10:42.33 | dimer | cause no PV's |
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| 10:43.07 | nevyn | dimer: if you run pvs ? |
| 10:43.23 | nevyn | what if you run vgs? |
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| 10:43.27 | dimer | if pvs /dev/md3, then it shows |
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| 10:43.34 | dimer | without agrs, none of the utils show anything |
| 10:43.38 | nevyn | ok. |
| 10:43.55 | nevyn | check the filter in /etc/lvm.conf that /dev/md3 is searched. |
| 10:44.52 | dimer | my filter is "a/.*/" |
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| 10:45.18 | dimer | and md_component_detection = 1 |
| 10:45.53 | nevyn | dimer: can you pastebin your /etc/lvm.conf |
| 10:46.34 | dimer | http://pastie.org/7906499 its pretty default |
| 10:47.12 | dimer | i guess it can be from the old version of lvm2, and update changed behaviour.. |
| 10:48.29 | nevyn | N.B. Any device node or symlink not managed by udev in # udev directory will be ignored with this setting on. obtain_device_list_from_udev = 1 |
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| 10:48.56 | nevyn | dimer: ^^ |
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| 10:50.36 | dimer | nevyn, yes, that was it. i guess gotta read what has changed about udev |
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| 10:50.42 | dimer | thank you nevyn |
| 10:51.35 | nevyn | dimer: was that not immediately apparent to you as a problem? |
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| 10:52.52 | dimer | ive had strong feeling that it could not be caused by udev |
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| 11:16.22 | DamienCassou | is it recommended to use LVM for a single-user laptop with / and /home partitions? What is the gain? |
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| 11:19.51 | boudiccas | can anyone recommend to me a ftp gui programme that shows the permissions as numbers please? |
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| 11:22.21 | tklassen | Im sorry but I cannot install Debian on a USB-Stick |
| 11:22.28 | tklassen | it fails because of GRUB-install |
| 11:23.13 | LordShiva | install grub on your usb drive tklassen |
| 11:23.21 | tklassen | how? |
| 11:24.15 | LordShiva | just change /dev/sda to whichever is device name for your usb |
| 11:24.29 | tklassen | /dev/sda1 ?? |
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| 11:25.04 | LordShiva | not sda1 sda1 mean first partition on your first drive |
| 11:25.17 | LordShiva | How many hard disks you have on that machine |
| 11:26.21 | tklassen | One SATA and the USB |
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| 11:26.45 | LordShiva | than usb should be /dev/sdb |
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| 11:27.04 | LordShiva | but however check first is that your usb |
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| 11:27.43 | beardy | Your installation hasn't failed, you just need to install grub manually. |
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| 11:28.28 | tklassen | grub-install /dev/sdb scould work then |
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| 11:28.54 | LordShiva | do first cat /etc/fstab | grep sdb and shoow me the output |
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| 11:29.52 | dirtydawg | when installing debian, is the first dvd enough and the rest of the needed packeages can be downloaded while installing? |
| 11:29.58 | tklassen | ok |
| 11:30.00 | tklassen | one moment |
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| 11:30.28 | D|nA | dirtydawg, cd1/dvd1 is enough for installation |
| 11:30.46 | dirtydawg | cool thanks for answering D|nA |
| 11:30.51 | D|nA | yw |
| 11:30.59 | beardy | dirtydawg: A netinstall image is enough, and much smaller than the whole cd or dvd image 1. |
| 11:31.00 | LordShiva | its always better xfce install cd if you favor light DE |
| 11:31.07 | dirtydawg | i see |
| 11:31.10 | beardy | !d-i dirtydawg |
| 11:31.11 | dpkg | dirtydawg, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 11:31.18 | dirtydawg | thanks :) |
| 11:31.19 | D|nA | if you have a good internet connection ofcourse |
| 11:31.21 | LordShiva | yes and netinstall is ok if you have fast network |
| 11:31.29 | dirtydawg | i have 50nb |
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| 11:31.39 | D|nA | netinst then gonna do fine |
| 11:31.41 | tklassen | fstab is empty |
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| 11:31.46 | tklassen | Im running a live debian |
| 11:32.22 | LordShiva | no matter you are running live or installed debian you need to have fstab |
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| 11:32.53 | LordShiva | cat /etc/fstab | grep usb |
| 11:33.31 | LordShiva | or just send me on pastebin.com whole /etc/fstab |
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| 11:34.08 | b0lt | pastebinit </etc/fstab |
| 11:34.10 | b0lt | :) |
| 11:34.22 | tklassen | no no its empty :) |
| 11:34.24 | tklassen | really |
| 11:34.28 | beardy | tklassen: Do a "df" and "mount" too for the pastebin. |
| 11:34.51 | tklassen | ok wait rebooting now ;) |
| 11:34.59 | LordShiva | yes do df and mount and poste to the paste |
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| 11:38.31 | tklassen | so I have a /dev/sdb1 4G |
| 11:38.37 | tklassen | which is my usb drive |
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| 11:40.44 | tklassen | fstab is empty as i said |
| 11:41.37 | tklassen | pastebin.com/gMec6jiiN |
| 11:41.48 | tklassen | sorry |
| 11:42.10 | tklassen | www.pastebin.com/gMec6jjN |
| 11:43.39 | tklassen | www.pastebin.com/PGh43vDd |
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| 11:44.55 | ksuhku | !pastebin.com |
| 11:44.55 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 11:45.57 | yacc | Any idea how to debug bluez (wheezy) to see why it's not creating a PAN? |
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| 11:46.40 | tklassen | http://paste.debian.net/4114 |
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| 11:50.35 | DamienCassou | hi again |
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| 11:51.11 | jelly-home | that captcha thing is just incorrect tho |
| 11:51.18 | DamienCassou | I'm in the "select and install software" step of the install process and I get an error but no information about it: "Installation step failed". How do I get more information? |
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| 11:51.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, pastebin.com =~ s/, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste// |
| 11:51.47 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 11:52.21 | beardy | DamienCassou: Switch to tty2 or which it is that contain the log and see if there's more information. |
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| 11:52.56 | DamienCassou | beardy: I'm not sure I can do that from virtualbox. |
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| 11:53.16 | DamienCassou | beardy: checking the web for tty2 access |
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| 11:53.35 | beardy | DamienCassou: Sure you can. Ctrl-Alt-F2, or just Alt-F2. |
| 11:54.32 | DamienCassou | beardy: on tty1 I get a "Fatal server error" from X. But I don't see any problem with the GUI installation |
| 11:54.34 | Iridos | jelly-home, it never showed captchas every time/to every one... so I'm not sure how you can know it stopped |
| 11:54.37 | beardy | DamienCassou: If you click in vbox to make it take over the keyboard it should catch it. |
| 11:54.54 | jelly-home | Iridos: it does not do it for me |
| 11:55.00 | jelly-home | to* me |
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| 11:55.12 | beardy | DamienCassou: Ok. Well, don't use the GUI then. |
| 11:55.47 | DamienCassou | beardy: in tty4 I can see some dpkg errors which seems related to the failing step |
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| 11:55.55 | Iridos | it doesn't do it every time I visit one of the links either... actually was half a year or so until I first encountered it, then got several in a row (but that's also quite some time back now) |
| 11:56.08 | tklassen | any suggestions? |
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| 11:56.33 | DamienCassou | beardy: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must run dpkg --configure -a". Can I access the new system and execute this command? |
| 11:56.45 | DamienCassou | beardy: is there a way to chroot? |
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| 11:58.34 | zetheroo | I am trying to create a partition on a newly installed disk using parted ... but after creating the primary partition and checking with fdisk -l I see a message saying: "Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary." |
| 11:58.39 | zetheroo | how do I correct this? |
| 11:59.26 | tklassen | please anyone who can help me installing Debian to USB? |
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| 12:00.36 | djames | to install Debian in USB you can to use unetbootlin |
| 12:00.51 | LordShiva | tklassen, how big is your first sata hdd ? In df your df shows that you have only one partition mounted from sda and that it is only 378 mb big |
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| 12:01.16 | tklassen | LordShiva no thats because of a special live cd im using at this machine |
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| 12:01.24 | tklassen | which is dd´ed to the SATA |
| 12:01.27 | DamienCassou | while installing debian, how can I access the system being installed? I want to fix a problem |
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| 12:01.57 | LordShiva | tklassen, do fdisk -l |
| 12:02.16 | beardy | DamienCassou: The system you are installing is mounted, you can chroot into it and try doing what needs to be done. |
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| 12:02.59 | tklassen | http://paste.debian.et/4116 |
| 12:03.04 | LordShiva | And my recomendation is for you tklassen to download cd image from here http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ and try installation with plain install cd. It shouldnt have bugs like live cd |
| 12:03.05 | beardy | DamienCassou: Your dpkg process got killed because X failed for you. Never use X to install. |
| 12:03.07 | tklassen | http://paste.debian.net/4116 |
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| 12:03.31 | tklassen | LordShiva: I tried it several times |
| 12:03.39 | tklassen | Grub-install always crashes |
| 12:03.51 | DamienCassou | beardy: ok, I found it is on /target and I found the cause: / is full. Which is strange because I let debian decides the size of the partitions |
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| 12:04.02 | beardy | DamienCassou: Ah. |
| 12:04.17 | djames | hello everybody! I have a system running Wheezy and I have a chroot running on /opt. This server is 305 days of uptime nd I found for the second time a problem; the /opt is full, but I have no more than 10% usage in this partition. |
| 12:04.35 | beardy | DamienCassou: Did you check what it decided? Were you aware of what it chose to install? I imagine a crapload of desktop. |
| 12:04.39 | jelly-home | djames: what does df -i say? |
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| 12:04.55 | djames | df -i say that i just 4% usage |
| 12:05.44 | jelly-home | djames: ok then, which app complains that /opt is full and how does it do that? |
| 12:06.03 | djames | df -h |
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| 12:06.34 | beardy | tklassen: Which version of grub is installed? |
| 12:06.50 | jelly-home | djames: paste the output of both "df" and "df -i" on paste.debian.net, please |
| 12:06.54 | tklassen | beardy: It´s the Wheezy Live CD XFCE |
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| 12:07.00 | haziqwebs | hello.. |
| 12:07.02 | haziqwebs | anyone? |
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| 12:07.03 | Iridos | djames, err... do you know what df -i shows? |
| 12:07.10 | djames | inodes |
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| 12:07.22 | Iridos | perhaps I'm just lacking context |
| 12:07.28 | djames | let me paste, a moment please |
| 12:07.37 | LordShiva | tklassen, why the hell you have hidden ntfs partition on your SATA disk ? Also how the hell you think to install debian on just 4 gb ? My friend its much smarter for youto use some tool to get some free space from that existing ntfs partition. Also unhide ntfs partition |
| 12:07.46 | haziqwebs | anyone know different between squid and squidguard? |
| 12:07.49 | Iridos | ok, I did. apologies... |
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| 12:08.24 | tklassen | LordShiva: I know it´s just a test setting, don´t worry about the SATA thing, its allright |
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| 12:08.46 | DamienCassou | beardy: I'm installing on a virtualbox with 8GB disk. I took most default choices (guided with ,LVM with separate /home). Debian gave 2GB to / and the rest to /home (and probably some to swap as well) |
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| 12:09.26 | jelly-home | DamienCassou: the installer often makes silly choices wrt filesystem sizes |
| 12:09.28 | xand | I'd go with one partition for such a small disk :| |
| 12:09.46 | tklassen | LordShiva: I just want to use that stick to test out some things. |
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| 12:10.02 | LordShiva | Well you need to worry tklassen, because you cant install debian on such small usb even if you install it with full DE you will have slower Debian |
| 12:10.15 | LordShiva | If you really want to test debian install it on hdd |
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| 12:10.56 | beardy | tklassen: Ok. The reason I'm asking is because most things describing installing grub to a USB stick seems to use grub2. As in http://workingdirectory.net/posts/2009/grub-on-usb/ , it needs the --root-directory option, which atleast grub-pc does not have apparently. |
| 12:11.00 | Iridos | djames, then what reports 10% usage if not df? |
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| 12:11.11 | tklassen | LordShiva: I dont want to test Debian, Im writing from my Debian workstation, which Im using now for a few years |
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| 12:11.32 | babilen | tklassen: You can use Debian live with persistence. See http://live.debian.net/ and in particular http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#529 |
| 12:11.37 | djames | i did the paste: http://pastebin.com/jNBW5nGW |
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| 12:12.06 | djames | df is reporting 94% usage now. with df -i I can see just 4% usage in /opt |
| 12:12.18 | jelly-home | which part of "use paste.debian.net" was unclear :-( |
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| 12:12.29 | djames | sorry, i will fix it |
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| 12:13.04 | jelly-home | djames: well, your /opt only has 6GB or so free |
| 12:13.12 | beardy | LordShiva: Of course you can install on a FOUR GIGABYTE drive.. |
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| 12:13.50 | djames | http://paste.debian.net/4121/ |
| 12:14.10 | djames | but I have no files in out my chroot. let me see the correct structure there |
| 12:14.23 | tklassen | Oh dear... I just want to install debian on a stick, nothing magic with grub, neither the plain install or live cd method seems to work |
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| 12:14.25 | jelly-home | djames: you might want to do something like "du /opt", or even "du -x /opt | sort -n | tail -40" to see which directories take most space |
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| 12:14.49 | tklassen | Im trying unetbootin now |
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| 12:15.37 | jelly-home | djames: (remember to do it as root) |
| 12:16.15 | babilen | tklassen: You simply copy the live image to a USB stick - That's all you need for a live environment. |
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| 12:16.38 | gazzwi86 | When i run: route -n I get no eth0 despite it being plugged in, just wlan0. How can i get my machine to ignore wireless if eth0 connected? |
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| 12:16.55 | djames | yes, in my server i'm connectiong with root only. |
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| 12:17.00 | tklassen | babilen: Can I store files on it like on a installed system? |
| 12:17.05 | djames | my contents on /opt is just this: |
| 12:17.06 | djames | http://paste.debian.net/4122/ |
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| 12:17.28 | djames | in trash dir i have 4.4G, no more |
| 12:17.37 | babilen | tklassen: I answered that already and linked you to the corresponding section in the manual |
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| 12:17.47 | jelly-home | djames: I can't read -h output, sorry |
| 12:17.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell tklassen about live |
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| 12:18.07 | jelly-home | djames: might be a process is keeping some deleted files open |
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| 12:18.16 | Iridos | jelly-home, bot! |
| 12:18.31 | jelly-home | Iridos: ? |
| 12:18.41 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:18.54 | jelly-home | that k M G thing is just unparseable! |
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| 12:19.05 | djames | huuummmmm. is there some way to trace this? |
| 12:19.12 | Iridos | it's only (for) human(s)! |
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| 12:19.14 | jelly-home | djames: lsof -n | grep deleted |
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| 12:19.37 | jelly-home | Iridos: it's useless and needs to be removed, that option |
| 12:19.41 | thyphus | is there no debmirror for wheezy-updates anymore? we are using squeeze-updates and try to add wheezy-updates but we got no packets |
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| 12:19.59 | jelly-home | much easier to visually inspect the amount of digits |
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| 12:20.21 | thyphus | http://nopaste.info/449d535540.html - the command for the debmirror |
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| 12:20.29 | Iridos | not... helps if it's sorted, though |
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| 12:21.27 | djames | i found 3 lines like this: pache2 29142 root 35w REG 8,3 0 886107 /opt/production_axess/var/run/apache2/wsgi.29142.5.2.lock (deleted) |
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| 12:21.47 | jelly-home | that's not much |
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| 12:21.48 | djames | this is my chroot |
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| 12:22.16 | jelly-home | look for things like log files or something |
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| 12:23.21 | jelly-home | or show that du -x /opt | sort -n | tail -40 |
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| 12:23.30 | djames | the first, I did find /opt -size +100M -exec ls -sh {} \; |
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| 12:23.38 | djames | I will try the du |
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| 12:25.43 | Iridos | is it possible to enlarge a virtualbox image? seems I was a bit too.... miserly when choosing 20G for the windows guest |
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| 12:26.25 | jelly-home | VDiskManager could do all sorts of nifty stuff last time I'd used vbox |
| 12:26.32 | tklassen | VBoxManage.exe modifyhd <Pfad zur VDI-Datei> --resize <Größe in Megabyte> |
| 12:26.34 | beardy | Yes. |
| 12:26.43 | jelly-home | jaaaa |
| 12:27.18 | beardy | Minus the silly name extension. |
| 12:27.23 | djames | with du -x.. the tail show me this results: http://paste.debian.net/4125/ |
| 12:27.32 | beardy | And the mixcaps. |
| 12:27.34 | tklassen | ;) |
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| 12:28.35 | Iridos | ah, thanks |
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| 12:28.52 | jelly-home | djames: so you have around 10GB of files. The rest has to be either deleted files that are still open, or the fs is inconsistent and needs a fsck |
| 12:29.01 | Iridos | what's weird... Logical size: 20480 MBytes; Current size on disk: 11073 MBytes ... but system itself claimed only 700Mb free |
| 12:29.34 | jelly-home | djames: I'd schedule downtime, stop all the processes using /opt, umount it and mount it back |
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| 12:30.22 | djames | hum, understood. I thank you very much for your help ! ;-) i will do this now |
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| 12:30.26 | tklassen | unetbootin did that job for me |
| 12:30.42 | tklassen | Im trying to run xfce4 now |
| 12:31.05 | tklassen | Iridos: http://linuxundich.de/de/software/windows-festplatte-einer-virtualbox-ohne-tools-vergrossern/ |
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| 12:32.12 | Iridos | wow, that went quickly |
| 12:32.43 | beardy | wonders if a festplatte is a plate of pie, served on a party |
| 12:33.08 | Iridos | beardy, sometimes :) |
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| 12:34.17 | babilen | tklassen: What did you do /before/ using unetbootin? (exactly, which image and how did you copy it to the USB) |
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| 12:37.36 | JLT | Hello. I was here yesterday, but had to sleep. I updated Debian Squeeze to Wheezy, and it ended up breaking klogd. I discovered klogd is replaced by I think it was busybox-syslogd in which I do have aswell. I've restarted it and it works fine. The only file that gets worth reading logs is /var/log/messages but all my other logs such as mail.*, kern.log, dmesg, syslog and all those logs - nothing gets stored in them. Has anyone encountered a sim |
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| 12:39.11 | abrotman | JLT: is your rsyslog installed? configured? |
| 12:39.14 | babilen | JLT: I've only ever used rsyslogd |
| 12:39.15 | beardy | JLT: Didn't you read the changelog when updating? Also rsyslog is the default syslog daemon. |
| 12:39.27 | DamienCassou | beardy: thank you |
| 12:39.50 | babilen | In short: "… yadda yadda rsyslog yadda foo bar …" :) |
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| 12:41.11 | beardy | babilen: He was installing a root fileystem to his USB stick, and the grub version on the installer he used failed to install grub in the sticks mbr, IIUIC. |
| 12:41.19 | gazzwi86 | I have wick installed on my box, I plugged in and ethernet to configure wireless via ssh, but the wired connection is ignored, despite the wireless connection not working. What can I do? |
| 12:41.58 | JLT | Aye I didn't have syslogd, it replaced klogd with busybox and then it stopped working. I just installed rsyslog and now things are getting logged. Simple issue. Thanks beardy babilen abrotman ! |
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| 12:43.10 | babilen | JLT: wonderful, not sure if obvious, pebkac, a bug or ... :-/ |
| 12:43.22 | Dwarf | Good afternoon |
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| 12:43.32 | babilen | o/ |
| 12:43.57 | Dwarf | I'm trying to install debian xfce stable in virtualbox, but the "select and install software" step always fails. With both netinstall and the CD installer |
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| 12:44.12 | babilen | Dwarf: How does it fail? |
| 12:44.23 | Dwarf | It just tells me that the step has failed |
| 12:44.27 | mumpitzel | Dwarf: what are your virtualbox network settings? |
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| 12:44.50 | babilen | Anything interesting on virtualbox-tty4 (no idea how to access that in vbox, but alt-f4 works normally) |
| 12:44.54 | Dwarf | NAT intel pro/1000 MT Desktop |
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| 12:45.25 | babilen | Dwarf: Did you succeed in configuring a mirror earlier? |
| 12:45.29 | Dwarf | Yes i did |
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| 12:45.33 | beardy | Dwarf: Meet DamienCassou.. check tty4, and the size of your /target, is it too small? |
| 12:45.42 | mumpitzel | Dwarf: use PCNet Fast III |
| 12:45.52 | Dwarf | Let's see... tasksel: apt-get failed |
| 12:45.59 | Dwarf | No space left on device |
| 12:46.01 | mumpitzel | ok, if you could configure a mirror the network should work |
| 12:46.09 | DamienCassou | Dwarf: same here :-D |
| 12:46.09 | Dwarf | Really now |
| 12:46.16 | babilen | Dwarf: "No space left on Device" -- should be pretty obvious :) |
| 12:46.21 | Dwarf | It is |
| 12:46.23 | Dwarf | Hah |
| 12:46.24 | beardy | Dwarf: Don't trust automagic things, change the sizes the installer chose for your / |
| 12:46.35 | babilen | yeah, the automatic scheme is *horrible* |
| 12:46.37 | beardy | Who will make the factoid? |
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| 12:46.50 | Dwarf | I did actually, but can't hurt to do it all over again |
| 12:46.54 | babilen | I honerstly have no idea why we didn't fix that for wheezy :-/ |
| 12:46.57 | babilen | *honestly |
| 12:47.15 | mallxs | hi, how to i test if a tun device is up ? it is for in a scrip to restart it if it is down ? |
| 12:47.41 | Dwarf | oops. |
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| 12:49.51 | mumpitzel | mallxs: ifconfig |grep tun ? |
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| 12:50.46 | Iridos | tklassen, any idea what to do about my snapshots? They seem to have their own add-on images, so the change doesn't come through |
| 12:50.56 | Iridos | I guess I'll try to delete them |
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| 12:51.58 | Chelsea | Hi all, iÂve partially (?) deleted a file. The filename is still visible, but when I try to ls or rm it, it says: Âno such file or directory¨. Any ideas how I can remove it? |
| 12:52.23 | mallxs | mumpitzel: yes i was doing somthing with that and wc -l but i was hoping to a [ test command or a /proc read |
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| 12:53.47 | Iridos | Chelsea, unmount the drive and run fsck on it... if it's the root filesystem, "touch /forcefsck" and reboot, it will be checked on reboot |
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| 12:55.15 | Iridos | ah, I delete them and it merges them... |
| 12:55.37 | tklassen | merges them? |
| 12:56.12 | Chelsea | Iridos, touch /forcefsck says: cannot touch /forcefsck: read only filesystem. |
| 12:56.37 | Chelsea | sudo gives theame result. |
| 12:56.45 | Chelsea | *thesame |
| 12:57.05 | Iridos | tklassen, the main image is in /home/win7 ... seems that for every snapshot I took, separate incremental images are created in /home/$USER/VirtualBox VMs/win7/snapshots |
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| 12:57.31 | beardy | Chelsea: Something already happened and your filesystem is now mounted read-only probably. |
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| 12:57.55 | Iridos | Chelsea, then seems like the system already found something to be very wrong... look in the output of "dmesg" for any related-looking messages |
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| 12:58.07 | beardy | Chelsea: Check /var/log/syslog, and think before you do anything else. |
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| 12:58.41 | Iridos | system may not be able to write to /var/log, though :) |
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| 12:59.16 | beardy | Before it re-mounted it should have, but afterwards no.. of course not. :) |
| 12:59.18 | Iridos | tklassen, so... one deletes a snapshot, it merges the changes to the main image |
| 12:59.23 | Iridos | ... very very slowly |
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| 12:59.45 | codepython777 | where can i find libffi.so.6 - what package? |
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| 13:00.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell codepython777 about apt-file |
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| 13:00.46 | Iridos | codepython777, and the answer seems to be "none that is in wheezy" |
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| 13:01.18 | beardy | Chelsea: Before you do anything (I hope you have backups), like fsck, copy vital data somewhere else, then think some more. |
| 13:01.19 | Chelsea | Tricky situation :) |
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| 13:01.34 | Chelsea | beardy, heh... thanks! |
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| 13:01.48 | tklassen | Iridos: cool |
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| 13:02.56 | babilen | codepython777: You are probably looking for the libffi* packages and libffi6 is maybe what you are looking for. |
| 13:02.57 | Iridos | tklassen, moderately so... I made several snapshots, they are all increments and it's still busy merging the first one of 4 :( |
| 13:03.01 | codepython777 | Iridos: seems like its in unstable? |
| 13:03.02 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 13:03.40 | babilen | codepython777: Yes, it is. Wheezy has libffi5 (just like squeeze) |
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| 13:03.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell codepython777 -about ssb |
| 13:04.21 | babilen | codepython777: You might be able to backport it from unstable by following the instructions the bot just sent you. |
| 13:04.23 | codepython777 | babilen: how do i install it? |
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| 13:05.02 | babilen | codepython777: What do you need it for btw? Would it be possible to compile whatever program you are trying to run against v5 ? |
| 13:05.30 | codepython777 | babilen: pypy |
| 13:06.41 | codepython777 | babilen: From what i understand the last stable version needs 6 |
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| 13:06.50 | UukGoblin | is debian or ubuntu affected by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5703758 / CVE-2013-2094? |
| 13:07.09 | UukGoblin | just tested in a vagrant box and the exploit got Killed but there was a kernel stacktrace |
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| 13:07.21 | UukGoblin | on ubuntu 12.04 |
| 13:07.45 | babilen | UukGoblin: I think so, the issue already came up and AFAIK a fix is being prepared/on the way |
| 13:08.00 | UukGoblin | babilen, cool thanks |
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| 13:08.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell UukGoblin about tracker of doom |
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| 13:09.52 | UukGoblin | babilen, nice thanks. Still says RESERVED, I guess it's a bit early |
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| 13:10.53 | babilen | UukGoblin: Yeah, that information is being manually updated and checked. It is, indeed, a bit early. It was mentioned among the kernel people though and I wouldn't be surprised if a fix is being uploaded soon™ |
| 13:11.23 | UukGoblin | babilen, cool, thanks for the update :-) |
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| 13:12.49 | codepython777 | how do i use this to install pypy on wheezy: http://people.debian.org/~stefanor/pypy/wheezy/ ? |
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| 13:13.26 | codekK | Hi all i have problem with fstream C++ library, this say: #include <bits/basic_file.h> cannot include this file |
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| 13:13.51 | talin | hello. i am trying to find a netinst image for the latest 6.x version |
| 13:14.38 | Maelstrom | “wheezy (7.0) released |
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| 13:15.00 | talin | Maelstrom: yes, but some distributor of software says it is too new, so they want me to install 6.x :( |
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| 13:15.24 | codekK | Hi all i have problem with fstream C++ library, this say: #include <bits/basic_file.h> cannot include this file, how i can solve it? |
| 13:16.22 | nevyn | talin: you're willing to support 6 for a new service today.. that's... brave. |
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| 13:16.40 | themill | dpkg: tell talin about install squeeze |
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| 13:17.30 | Maelstrom | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:18.38 | codekK | Hi all i have problem with fstream C++ library, this say: #include <bits/basic_file.h> cannot include this file, how i can solve it? i try reinstall g++ and it dont take effect :s |
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| 13:19.22 | Geri___ | hello debianers: I am trying to modify an installer sh script to install debian. The line I want to modify is "parted $DEVICE --align optimal --script -- mkpart primary 128 -1" <-- this creates a partition from 128 to (fill the device). I would like to leave 1GB left (to then use it as swap space). How should I canghe this line to tell parted to leave circa 1GB space instead of filling up... |
| 13:19.23 | Geri___ | ...the device? |
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| 13:20.40 | samael | hello |
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| 13:21.44 | AciD` | hi, when installing my server, I mistakenly used the wrong name (hostname, and perhaps more things related). How can I fix that afterwards ? and is there only in /etc/hostname that this kind of info is written ? |
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| 13:22.17 | Walex | Geri___: that's really a 'parted' question, probably 'man parted' would tell you. |
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| 13:22.30 | musca | Geri___: create swap first, then fill the device? |
| 13:22.35 | babilen | Geri___: The recommended way to automate installations is by preseeding - no idea what kind of script you have there. See http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/apb.html.en for further information (in Particualr B.4.7. Partitioning) |
| 13:22.36 | Walex | AciD`: look at '/etc/hosts' and '/etc/hostname' indeed. |
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| 13:23.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell AciD` -about hostname |
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| 13:23.46 | AciD` | Walex babilen > thank you |
| 13:24.09 | samael | I'm installing new fonts in a debian sid box (from here https://github.com/Lokaltog/powerline-fonts). after runnning fc-cache -fv i can see new fonts with fc-list, but both xlsfonts and xfontsel won't list them, and I can't use them in .Xdefaults. any hint? |
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| 13:24.41 | Walex | AciD`: note that the "host name" is a weak concept. It is far more important to get the DNS/IP right. |
| 13:25.05 | AciD` | k |
| 13:25.16 | Walex | samael: ahhhhh that's a tragic situation. Regrettably DeFoMa is no longer available, and I mourn it even if it was too hacky, |
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| 13:25.30 | Iridos | tklassen, I fear it was resizing the "master" image first, then trying to merge/delete the snapshot that did it :( |
| 13:25.43 | Walex | AciD`: the "host name" is just a string that the kernel prints if you ask it the "host name". Just a label. |
| 13:25.49 | Geri___ | Walex, musca , babilen : unfortunately I am putting my naive hands on a script which was not made by me. https://github.com/wschaub/install-armhf/blob/master/install-armhf.sh#L246 <-- that's why I am a bit wary of doing something complicated and will probably try to create the swap after the installation is over. |
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| 13:26.15 | tklassen | Iridos: So is that a problem? |
| 13:26.19 | Rockj | AciD`: use hostname to set new hostname and update /etc/hosts :-) |
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| 13:27.17 | Iridos | tklassen, well, I get an error of "NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)" and it doesn't merge the snapshot down |
| 13:27.32 | Walex | samael: 'man update-fonts-scale' |
| 13:27.32 | tklassen | hmh |
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| 13:27.34 | Geri___ | (resizing the partition after the installation is over is a bit complicated, it being an ext4) |
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| 13:27.52 | Walex | samael: 'man mkfontscale' |
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| 13:28.18 | Rockj | Q: can I inspect why apt wants to remove a lot of package when doing dist-upgrade vs upgrade only? Ive set APT::Default-Release "wheezy"; so Im wondering what makes it want to remove more or less all my packages almost... I have a feeling it happen when I tried to add multiarch support for i386 when running amd64? |
| 13:28.24 | Iridos | tklassen, hm, I could roll stuff back from backups... but I cleaned up a lot of stuff inside the virtual machine today, which would be lost (and all of it was annoying, as it's a win7 guest) |
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| 13:28.55 | Walex | samael: one of the tragedies of GNU/Linux is that it has half a dozen different font systems, which use font files in different ways. The 'FontConfig' and X font systems are quite different, even if they can use exactly the same font files. I have set them up so they have they same sets of fonts. |
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| 13:30.24 | tklassen | Iridos: That sucks |
| 13:30.40 | samael | Walex: i see. trying to figure out if the spaces in the filenames could cause problems too, which i suspect |
| 13:30.42 | Iridos | Rockj, apt doesn't do upgrades that would lead to a removal of packages with "upgrade" ... as to why... well, look at the packages that are removed. I wonder if this is a case where aptitude why-not <somepackage> would give useful information |
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| 13:31.00 | samael | Walex: thank you for your hints |
| 13:31.03 | Walex | samael: you can quote the filenames with spaces. |
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| 13:31.38 | Walex | samael: I have written a massive page of hints about fonts here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html |
| 13:31.44 | Iridos | oh, now it's VBOX_E_FILE_ERROR (0x80BB0004) ... seems the other one was caused by the VM running |
| 13:31.49 | Geri___ | (man doesn't mention a -1 option :s) |
| 13:32.00 | Iridos | (or whatever) |
| 13:32.04 | AL13N_work | stupid question that has been asked thousands of times before, likely: where can i find the iso images for squeeze? they are removed from the cd-image primary server |
| 13:32.09 | samael | Walex: found some posts on the Net about people having problem adding fonts with spaces in their filenames, i'll give it a try, who knows.. |
| 13:32.12 | Rockj | Iridos: https://gist.github.com/norrs/4c4893841f32918d57f1 . But but amd64 should be primary , yawn. |
| 13:32.23 | Rockj | multiarch ruining me :p |
| 13:32.31 | samael | Walex: wow, cool, thanks! |
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| 13:32.50 | Walex | samael: the syntax to quote files is a bit annoying, I think I have put some examples in the aliases here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/X11/ |
| 13:32.53 | joaocfernandes | hi everyone iwithout intention i upgraded to jessie |
| 13:33.02 | joaocfernandes | can i make it get back to wheezy |
| 13:33.10 | joaocfernandes | it jsut updated 3/4 packages |
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| 13:33.20 | joaocfernandes | but now it says i am on debian testing |
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| 13:33.26 | Walex | joaocfernandes: yes, best way is to use aptitude and downgrade. |
| 13:33.34 | Walex | joaocfernandes: it requires a bit of care. |
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| 13:34.14 | Walex | joaocfernandes: you have to explicitly allow downgrades, and use something like 'aptitude -t wheezy' and look carefully at all the dependency resolution that gets done. |
| 13:34.40 | Walex | I prefer using aptitude as it gives a very clear scrollable list of all changes it is going to make |
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| 13:35.12 | AL13N_work | we cannot find deb6 iso's and the netinstalls we already have for deb6 are failing on 5 mirrors that we tried |
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| 13:35.27 | AL13N_work | what is going on here? deb6 is still supported as oldstable, right??? |
| 13:35.32 | babilen | joaocfernandes: General approach: 1. Manually install those 3/4 packages with "dpkg -i the-package.deb" (check /var/cache/apt/archives/) or 2. Pin wheezy to a priority >= 1001 and run "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 13:35.55 | Walex | http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/X11/font_DejaVu-2.5_ttf.aliassamael: this alias file gives you an idea of the quoting syntax for the X font system: |
| 13:36.20 | babilen | AL13N_work: How are they failing? |
| 13:36.25 | Walex | AL13N_work: have you checked under 'squeeze' or 'oldstable'? |
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| 13:37.03 | Iridos | Rockj, seems aptitude why-not doesn't work so well with multiarch anymore... I get similar (albeit shorter) output and have no problems |
| 13:37.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell AL13N_work -about install squeeze |
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| 13:38.28 | codekK | Hi all i have problem with fstream C++ library, this say: #include <bits/basic_file.h> cannot include this file, how i can solve it? i try reinstall g++ and it dont take effect :s |
| 13:38.53 | AL13N_work | babilen: Walex: yes, i still see squeeze in the dists/ dir, but somehow it doesn't want to install |
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| 13:39.09 | AL13N_work | and i see no deb6 isos anymore |
| 13:39.19 | AL13N_work | and neither in the archive |
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| 13:41.00 | babilen | AL13N_work: I see plenty of images on, for example, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/iso-cd/ and "doesn't want to install" is a *very* vague statement. What exactly are you doing and what is the error you get? |
| 13:41.11 | jelly-home | AL13N_work: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ ? |
| 13:41.16 | AL13N_work | babilen: Walex: "an error has been detected while trying to use the specified debian archive mirror" |
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| 13:41.35 | babilen | AL13N_work: So, check console 4 for details |
| 13:41.37 | AL13N_work | (that is from netinstalls) |
| 13:41.42 | babilen | (alt-f4) |
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| 13:42.19 | AL13N_work | "warning mirror doesn't support the specified release: squeeze" |
| 13:42.21 | Iridos | wonders, why cloning a virtualbox vm shows a window with a sheep |
| 13:42.23 | AL13N_work | that's on vt4 |
| 13:42.38 | h00ked|icecream | what is better? Full customized installation of Debian with OpenVZ, or new instalation of wheezy and then make it... "OpenVZ friendly"? |
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| 13:43.40 | jelly-home | h00ked: depends on how well it's customizified |
| 13:43.41 | AL13N_work | this is even though the mirror in question does have squeeze |
| 13:43.44 | Rockj | Iridos: think my system is a bit confused due to been using wheezy before the release and pulled in packages from experimental |
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| 13:44.12 | h00ked | jelly-home: i think, its diff kernel, and some more thinks included in ISO... |
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| 13:44.18 | joaocfernandes | babilen,apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header, i have pinned it to a=stable |
| 13:44.22 | babilen | AL13N_work: Are you sure that your network works correctly? What does "curl -s ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release|grep Codename" give you on the console (alt-f2) |
| 13:44.39 | jelly-home | h00ked: who does the customization? |
| 13:45.13 | babilen | joaocfernandes: You want something like: http://paste.debian.net/4139/ and "wheezy" in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:45.23 | h00ked | jelly-home: i think openVZ comunity? |
| 13:45.29 | babilen | joaocfernandes: http://paste.debian.net/4124 would be a suitable sources.list |
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| 13:46.16 | Iridos | Rockj, well, do a regular apt-get upgrade ... then try to figure out which of the remaining packages triggers the removals |
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| 13:46.31 | jelly-home | h00ked: from a #debian PoV, it's going to be hard to trust any modified installer or a prebuilt image that doesn't come from debian |
| 13:46.44 | jelly-home | h00ked: "we don't know what they changed" |
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| 13:47.10 | jelly-home | h00ked: on the other hand, it might work better for your particular needs |
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| 13:47.48 | h00ked | jelly-home: i know, but.. its about one day less work... on the other side, i will know all the changes.. I dont know as i need some type full-virtualization, or this para-V |
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| 13:48.44 | Rockj | Iridos: libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-0:i386 libglib2.0-bin these ;-) heh. need to force em back to wheezy. hm |
| 13:48.46 | babilen | h00ked: Would LXC, KVM, Xen or Virtualbox maybe be worth a look given the state of OpenVZ? |
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| 13:48.54 | h00ked | jelly-home: para-virtualization take more RAM, am i right? |
| 13:48.57 | jelly-home | h00ked: and indeed, knowing how to reproduce an installation from scratch if need be is very useful as well |
| 13:49.17 | jelly-home | babilen: what do you think the state of openvz is? |
| 13:49.20 | h00ked | babilen: its on server. About 8 VPS, some webhostings etc. |
| 13:49.39 | h00ked | babilen: so, i want somethink build to do that |
| 13:49.40 | joaocfernandes | babilen it worked now thanks you |
| 13:49.42 | joaocfernandes | :D |
| 13:50.01 | Iridos | jelly-home, bug #574529 |
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| 13:50.12 | jelly-home | h00ked: paravirt. or full virt. will always take more resources than containers |
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| 13:50.49 | babilen | dpkg: openvz |
| 13:50.49 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22. Deprecated in Debian (bug #574529) and not supported for <wheezy>; ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:50.58 | jelly-home | Iridos: oh, noone used debian's kernel for it anyway |
| 13:51.01 | h00ked | jelly-home: if I understand - containers take less RAM from this three? |
| 13:51.04 | babilen | jelly-home: "deprecated in Debain" |
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| 13:51.51 | jelly-home | babilen: lxc has FAR to go to become as useful and featureful, I fear |
| 13:52.06 | joaocfernandes | lesson to be learned don't click buttons without reading twice |
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| 13:53.06 | h00ked | jelly-home: it looks like im going to make fresh install wheezy and make it on my own... it looks like the best solution |
| 13:53.07 | jelly-home | h00ked: "lxc" is another container technology. The others are likely to eat more resources, including cpu and ram yes. |
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| 13:55.37 | Iridos | jelly-home, but then I don't see why you wouldn't go all the way and use a pre-made image from them... |
| 13:55.39 | h00ked | jelly-home: i see |
| 13:55.58 | jelly-home | Iridos: because reproducibility |
| 13:56.12 | Iridos | yay, but cloning the current state and then resizing worked |
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| 13:56.39 | Iridos | memo to self: don't resize a partition for which you took snapshots of later states |
| 13:57.31 | Iridos | seems obvious in retrospect, but I wasn't really aware these incremental disk images were around |
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| 13:58.22 | jelly-home | like the vmware people say, snapshots are bad mkay |
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| 14:00.16 | Iridos | snapshots actually seem pretty cool in a "try this out and then don't bother about how bad the result was" kind of way |
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| 14:00.55 | jelly-home | they are, as long as you remember to wipe them as soon as unneeded |
| 14:01.20 | jelly-home | cows are slow! |
| 14:01.21 | Iridos | i.e. snapshots are exactly what windows needs :P |
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| 14:04.39 | bluesm | How to get ab apache tool ? |
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| 14:05.36 | themill | dpkg: tell bluesm about apt-file |
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| 14:08.10 | sary | Salutations! ,it's been awhile :-) . |
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| 14:08.55 | Trewas | Iridos: btw windows can do snapshots, called shadow copy... it is used automagically for the system restore thing |
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| 14:10.22 | jelly-home | Trewas: yeah, but it works there... by now |
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| 14:11.37 | sary | few laptops i try to install Debian on requires a proprietary wifi driver, and as am aware that debian installer doesn't offer non-free firmware. no ethernet cable in hand only wlan wi-fi .. is there away around this! |
| 14:11.51 | ov3rmind | nice morning :) |
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| 14:12.46 | jhutchins_wk | sary: I think that's convered in the install guide. |
| 14:13.19 | jhutchins_wk | !tell sary about installer firmware |
| 14:13.32 | theothertom | sary: you should be able to burn a custom cd with the extra firmware |
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| 14:13.38 | sary | jhutchins_wk: thank you, i shall check it :-) |
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| 14:14.05 | balzac5000 | In Squeeze the /etc/init.d/networking restart script was smart enough to either leave custom routing alone or to reissue these routing statements during a restart of that service. "service networking restart" in Wheezy doesn't seem to do that. |
| 14:14.13 | sary | theothertom: that'll be nice indedd. |
| 14:14.24 | balzac5000 | Where should additional routing statements be saved? |
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| 14:18.41 | sary | jhutchins_wk: that's a very nice feature on the installer, i'll try it and report back. |
| 14:18.43 | Brigo | balzac5000: may be in /etc/network/ subsystem |
| 14:18.56 | balzac5000 | Brigo: thanks for the response! |
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| 14:19.21 | balzac5000 | yeah, I'm poking around in /etc/network/if-up.d and the like |
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| 14:19.39 | balzac5000 | I can't find SQUAT in man about how this should all work... |
| 14:19.52 | Brigo | squat? :-) |
| 14:20.15 | balzac5000 | Well, "man if-up.d" doesn't give me anything, not does "man networking" |
| 14:20.26 | balzac5000 | "man interfaces" DOES mention scripts, however... |
| 14:20.51 | balzac5000 | Ah - "man 8 ifup" |
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| 14:22.32 | balzac5000 | Hmm. Not revealing... |
| 14:22.47 | themill | balzac5000: interfaces(5) |
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| 14:23.33 | garborg | i have a problem here.. i have a small debian box with only hdmi out connected to a tv, but the tv claims there is no signal. I hasve ssh'ed into the box and hasve sudoer access. How do i now go about forcing hdmi output? xrandr gives me a "cannot open display" error |
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| 14:23.51 | balzac5000 | themill: thanks for chiming in! |
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| 14:24.26 | balzac5000 | Ah ha - looks like I need to uuse a post-up and post-down command. Okay I'll bark up that tree. Thank you VERY much! |
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| 14:24.54 | LL54 | so for whatever reason my kde shows the network interface as "unmanaged", how do I change it so that kde takes care of that? I'm using Debian wheezy with all updates installed. |
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| 14:25.17 | themill | balzac5000: you can configure the commands per interface in /e/n/interfaces or for all interfaces in the .d directories. |
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| 14:25.44 | alexfoo | garborg: 1) make sure X is running 2) set $DISPLAY correctly |
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| 14:26.36 | balzac5000 | themill: Hmm. Well I need to insert a routing statement which I've never considered to be "interface specific" - is post-up the correct way to do that? |
| 14:26.40 | garborg | ok, x is definitely running. Where do i change $display? xorg.conf? |
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| 14:28.52 | garborg | but wait, i should be able to get hdmi ouput without x running as well? I have had linux boxes outputing on hdmi to tvs with no x installed? |
| 14:29.11 | balzac5000 | themill: Got it - persistent routes http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/configuring-static-routes-in-debian-or-red-hat-linux-systems.html |
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| 14:40.01 | mastro__ | jelly-home, sure, but it give warning about Could not load X module; is the cinnamon-control-center package installed? (X stand for "something") |
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| 14:40.10 | mastro__ | and doesn't download the list of applets |
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| 14:41.16 | jelly-home | mastro__: oh yeah |
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| 14:41.33 | jelly-home | ,file bin/cinnamon-control-center --release sid |
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| 14:41.39 | judd | No packages in sid/i386 were found with that file. |
| 14:41.49 | jelly-home | apparently not there yes |
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| 14:41.51 | jelly-home | yet* |
| 14:42.01 | boudiccas | mastro__: cinnamon-common is in the wheezy repos |
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| 14:42.49 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that package does not contain the binary he's asking about |
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| 14:43.39 | themill | (also, it's not in wheezy, it's in jessie and sid) |
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| 14:44.19 | jelly-home | that seems saner |
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| 15:04.12 | bluesm | themill: File? I look for executable, not all files ... |
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| 15:07.46 | jelly-home | bluesm: apt-file will work for executables, too. Try searching for bin/ab |
| 15:08.09 | themill | «apt-file search -x bin/ab$» ftw. |
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| 15:08.32 | jelly-home | fancy quotes batman |
| 15:08.41 | bluesm | I think I just want to install apache2-utils |
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| 15:08.56 | themill | yes |
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| 15:09.23 | freaky[t] | hi all is anyone here? i got a question about the acl plugin with courier-imap. i installed the plugin and i seem to be able to share without errors. but other user accounts dont get the folders i share with them displayed. no anonymous, no public and none for the specific user. i now wonder how i can make the user be able to see the folders |
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| 15:14.30 | franco00 | hello: one question about network manager. I use X+Xmonad, I wanted to know if there is any lightweight 'bar' where to display the nm applet (I thought of using nmcli, but it seems as not it is not a replacement of the applet) |
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| 15:14.45 | franco00 | I remember using one, but I don' t know the name (to apt-get) |
| 15:14.45 | TyZef | hi all, I have a problem, I'm on Debian7Wheezy/Lxde... I want use Keyboard layout, but my one is very simple, I mean empty of options compare to this one : http://www.foresightlinux.se/wiki-en/index.php?title=Lxde_-_Keyboard_layout |
| 15:14.52 | sary | so , i've looked in http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware , the first laptop to install debian on that requires a proprietary wifi driver has the " Intel Wireless 3945 " so i should download the firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 15:16.12 | mtn | sary: there are installers with firmware: /msg dpkg firmware images |
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| 15:17.03 | sary | non-free package, right .. is that the only package that is needed to place in /firmware directory ! |
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| 15:18.46 | sary | hi mtn , yes i was told thank you , but my only concern is that the installer may load other firmwares , or not ! |
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| 15:19.59 | gazzwi86 | I'm having something of a nightmare with wifi on my box: I had wick installed for connecting to wifi but have removed it, however, /etc/network/interfaces setup is being ignored |
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| 15:20.12 | Miesco | ia32-libs depends on ia32-libs-i386 [UNAVAILABLE] |
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| 15:20.24 | Miesco | Why does it depend on a package that is unavailable? |
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| 15:20.44 | sary | mtn which i don't need , what is only needed is the one for the wireless NIC. |
| 15:21.15 | mtn | sary: I am not sure what your concern is. If it works, isn't that good enough? |
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| 15:21.23 | rindolf | Hi all. |
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| 15:21.48 | rindolf | http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report/6c328b4e-bc14-11e2-8c80-50d7c5c10595 - can anyone tell me what is causing test failures such as this one on Debian? |
| 15:21.51 | ashka | Miesco: are you running a x86 system ? |
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| 15:22.28 | sary | mtn: i'll check what the installer offere on these images . |
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| 15:26.32 | Miesco | ashka: Sorry, yea I am |
| 15:26.37 | mastroWork | jelly-home, cinnamon-common is already installed |
| 15:26.53 | ashka | Miesco: ia32-libs are made for 64 bit systems |
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| 15:27.13 | ashka | so you won't be able to install them on a 32bit system |
| 15:27.25 | Miesco | ashka: I have a 64 bit system |
| 15:27.35 | Miesco | x86_64 |
| 15:27.39 | ashka | oh. well this is weird |
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| 15:28.08 | ashka | are you running wheezy ? |
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| 15:30.18 | Miesco | ashka: Yea |
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| 15:30.22 | Miesco | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 15:30.22 | dpkg | Miesco: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 15:30.23 | Miesco | Do I do that? |
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| 15:30.58 | ashka | Miesco: you probably can |
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| 15:31.22 | ashka | looks like that ia32-libs is being deprecated for actual multiarch support |
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| 15:33.35 | jelly-home | mastroWork: yeah, that's a dependency |
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| 15:34.55 | gazzwi86 | how can I find a wpa ask for my wireless network |
| 15:35.08 | gazzwi86 | psk sorry |
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| 15:35.29 | mastroWork | jelly-home, yes sorry that was for boudiccas |
| 15:35.41 | mastroWork | boudiccas, cinnamon-common is already installed |
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| 15:35.47 | Miesco | What is multiarch support |
| 15:35.48 | mumpitzel | gazzwi86: check your access point aka your router |
| 15:35.56 | mumpitzel | !tell Miesco about multiarch |
| 15:36.00 | Miesco | Its been resolving dependencies for like 5 minutes |
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| 15:36.18 | mastroWork | jelly-home, I wander if installing that package from sid will cause issue |
| 15:36.24 | jelly-home | mastroWork: it won't help |
| 15:36.32 | jarray52 | Out of nowhere, a popup appeared saying: Authentication is required to update packages.(Vendor: The PackageKit Project) Is this new in Debian? |
| 15:36.45 | beardy | gazzwi86: Ask the person owning/administrating the network. |
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| 15:37.27 | beardy | gazzwi86: Otherwise set one. |
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| 15:40.15 | mastroWork | jelly-home, thanks anyway, got to go now |
| 15:40.17 | mastroWork | bye |
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| 15:52.12 | Miesco | ashka: apt wants to remove 1190 packages after I did the -add i386 or whatever |
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| 15:52.40 | ashka | yeah, conflicts quite easily |
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| 16:05.01 | okm | does anyone here know anything about socks5 support in socat, supposedly this is implemented in the beta version, but whenever i try to make a connection socat just exits with a message that "[whatever you just tried to do] is not available" |
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| 16:07.01 | okm | the documentation for the beta version is, mildly put, not that extensive |
| 16:08.27 | okm | there are rumours about irssi having some internal (completely undocumented) socks proxy support |
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| 16:15.56 | MrFrood | okm: weechat has socks suport (see the config options for /proxy) |
| 16:16.43 | okm | MrFrood: and it supports socks5? |
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| 16:17.02 | MrFrood | I belive so |
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| 16:17.44 | okm | so that might be a potential solution, i would prefer if socat could present a generic one however |
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| 16:18.24 | belovedbe | How do I make my keyboard shortcuts take effects after I've editing ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml ? |
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| 16:19.35 | somiaj | belovedbe: did you try restarting xfce? There is an xfce channel that probabaly has better knowledge of their desktop too. |
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| 16:19.50 | tuxcrafter | [FAIL] Mounting local filesystems...failed. |
| 16:20.03 | tuxcrafter | how can i get more information about what is actualy failing |
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| 16:20.08 | tuxcrafter | since i cant find anything wrong |
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| 16:21.37 | miss0r | I am having some strange issues with this Debian install. Firstly I am having problems logging into some windows shares using the smb4K - it simply will not accept the password, and it is correct. I have verified this by trying to access it from another pc. Also, now I am experiencing problems logging into a remote server with ssh. It will not accept my password. It works on a bunch of other servers, but not this one in particula |
| 16:21.37 | miss0r | r. Also here I have verified the password logging in from another computer without issues. What is wrong?/what am I doing wrong? (caps lock is off....) (uname -a -> Linux stormcloud 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux) |
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| 16:23.01 | mtn | tuxcrafter: have you looked in fstab to see if you have something to be mounted? |
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| 16:31.55 | Orphis | What the best way to preprocess the debian/control file to have only one to support multiple debian distro? |
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| 16:32.27 | tuxcrafter | mtn: i did and it looks all the same as on my other machine |
| 16:32.30 | Orphis | My main point would be to update the build-depends depending on the platform |
| 16:32.34 | tuxcrafter | it has even one device less to mount |
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| 16:33.04 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: you shouldn't need to change the build dependencies in general |
| 16:33.05 | karlpinc | I'm using gimp on squeeze and can't seem to find the brush selection to choose a brush. Any clues? |
| 16:33.13 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: but in the cases where you have to, using alternatives can help you out |
| 16:33.30 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: Well, some dependencies have different names on Ubuntu or Debian |
| 16:33.45 | Orphis | What if they don't? |
| 16:34.02 | soloslinger | Hey all. I'm trying to maintain the explicit version of a packages across a range of servers. Is it preferred to point all the servers to a central server for "apt-get update" purposes, or is it better to copy the /var/lib/apt directory between servers prior to apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:34.05 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: if they don't, then generally speaking, you have to divergent branches for both. |
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| 16:34.15 | Orphis | I'd like also to support different build types from the same control file (build with feature XYZ enabled or not) |
| 16:34.36 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: different build types you support by building different binary packages |
| 16:34.41 | jelly-home | soloslinger: the former certainly seems more elegant |
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| 16:35.37 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: Not always possible to do so, and not very practical, especially in testing phase |
| 16:35.37 | soloslinger | jelly-home: True, and less prone to error (accidental "apt-get updates"). Unfortunately though, it requires all systems to be able to communicate with the central one. |
| 16:36.16 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: it's always possible to do, but it may not be practical |
| 16:36.34 | karlpinc | Help says there's a menu in my gimp tool window, but I can't see one.... |
| 16:36.37 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: but that said, people sometimes do use control.in for modifying the control files for binary packages |
| 16:36.47 | soloslinger | If I choose/forced to go the moving /var/lib/apt directory between servers, is there anything else I'd need to be mindful of? |
| 16:36.58 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: It's not always possible since some dependency aren't available at all |
| 16:37.02 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: however, you can't use that method to modify build dependencies, as the source package is unpacked before you do that. |
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| 16:37.13 | karlpinc | Perhaps I need gimp-data-extras to get multiple brushes. This seems unlikely. |
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| 16:38.37 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: That'd be nice if it was possible |
| 16:38.46 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: but in any event, needing different builds in order to enable different features is generally a sign of a design that needs work |
| 16:39.08 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: the method for build dependencies is to have multiple source packages |
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| 16:39.27 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: Not necessarily with company internal packages or non-free packages |
| 16:39.37 | karlpinc | Humm. Found it under "windows". I've probably turned something off that I don't have a menu. :-( |
| 16:40.03 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: it's still a sign of bad design; it may not be important enough to fix, but that's a different question |
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| 16:42.02 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: Imagine that to build on Debian you need package X, on Ubuntu X isn't there and has been replaced with Y and Z |
| 16:42.21 | Orphis | Would you write the build-depends as: X | Y, X | Z ? |
| 16:44.06 | Orphis | That's just a simple case with a splitted package, but it can be even more messy if it has a different name in yet another debian flavor or is split in more packages |
| 16:44.17 | Orphis | Then it would become unreadable |
| 16:44.30 | daemonkeeper | Orphis: Note that (at least on Debian) buildds do not resolve alternatives. |
| 16:44.46 | daemonkeeper | I don't know about Ubuntu. |
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| 16:45.17 | Orphis | daemonkeeper: It's for a non-free package built through sbuild, so it doesn't apply |
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| 16:46.21 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: yes, that's how you'd write it |
| 16:46.31 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: if it becomes untenable, you have multiple source packages |
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| 16:46.52 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, different versions of the source package) |
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| 16:47.50 | enapupe | vlc is segfaulting when I try to play a dvd |
| 16:47.51 | Orphis | It would be nice to still have the same source package, as duplicating a big archive just to paliate a deficiency in the control file is overkill |
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| 16:48.50 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: you can still have the same orig.tar.gz, but different diff.gzs and .dscs for each "flavor" you want to support |
| 16:48.58 | phox | hey, is there any way to delay mounting of stuff in fstab e.g. that depends on network being up? |
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| 16:49.24 | Orphis | I could add a manual step to preprocess the control file before generating the source archive, but it would have been much better if it was possible without |
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| 16:50.05 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: There's no diff.gz :) |
| 16:50.23 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: well, that's easy to fix. |
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| 16:50.57 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: there's been some discussion about providing methods for derivatives to override Build-Depends; lines, but I don't believe it's gone anywhere |
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| 16:51.09 | Viliny | Hey guys, i want to set up my server to work as pxe boot source so that client machines can run on the server resource |
| 16:51.13 | Viliny | what is this setup called? |
| 16:51.19 | dondelelcaro | frankly, if a deriviative has separated so much from Debian, Debian itself isn't too interested in expending the effort on them |
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| 16:52.09 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: It's not just separated, it's also different build environment for example |
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| 16:52.48 | Orphis | Let's say you want to compile the package with gcc, clang or some other compiler using some flag |
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| 16:53.25 | tuxcrafter | mtn: http://paste.debian.net/4181/ |
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| 16:53.49 | akcx3 | dpkg seems to imply that files installed to /etc are conffiles. Is there a way to override this behaviour (background: I have a few debian packages that install puppet modules, these should not be treated as conffiles although they are installed in /etc/puppet/modules/...) |
| 16:53.49 | dpkg | that's too long, akcx3 |
| 16:54.07 | akcx3 | dpkg seems to imply that files installed to /etc are conffiles. Is there a way to override this behaviour |
| 16:54.08 | dpkg | that's too long, akcx3 |
| 16:54.43 | Orphis | You might want to keep have only one control file for simplicity with different alternatives in it depending on what you want |
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| 16:56.47 | soloslinger | !botsnack |
| 16:56.48 | dpkg | thanks, soloslinger |
| 16:56.59 | w|t | !botsnack |
| 16:57.00 | dpkg | w|t: :) |
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| 16:59.09 | Chelsea | Is it possible to rsync a chroot environment en run that one without issue, or is that oversimplifying things? |
| 16:59.46 | jelly-home | Chelsea: rsync where? |
| 16:59.50 | jelly-home | run how? |
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| 17:00.48 | jelly-home | you can make a copy of a chroot tree with rsync to make a second chroot, sure why not |
| 17:01.09 | Chelsea | jelly-home, rsync to a different location, and run that one with chroot. |
| 17:01.19 | Orphis | Chelsea: Yes |
| 17:01.58 | Chelsea | nice! that opens up possibilities :) |
| 17:02.11 | Orphis | Chelsea: I've even stored chroots in tarballs and distributed them this way without any problem |
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| 17:02.45 | Orphis | Even if it seems wrong, it works as long as you make sure to have compatible UID and GID |
| 17:03.25 | Chelsea | Orphis, so it should also be possible to run that chroot environment from the tarball, if you´d mount it i guess. |
| 17:04.22 | Orphis | Chelsea: I have never mounted tarballs, didn't know it was even possible |
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| 17:04.59 | Orphis | But in my case, since it's a chroot used by schroot (and sbuild) in my buildagents, it could be automatically unpacked before the build by schroot I think |
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| 17:05.42 | Orphis | But I think it's somewhat easier to unpack the chroot in a btrfs subvolume and use btrfs snapshots to get a clean chroot between builds |
| 17:06.04 | Orphis | Chelsea: What's your usecase? |
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| 17:07.21 | Chelsea | Orphis, running wheezy from withing a dev-moded chromebook. |
| 17:08.06 | Orphis | Sounds fun! |
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| 17:08.17 | Chelsea | Orphis, unfortunately no btrfs option. |
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| 17:08.40 | Orphis | Well, my usecase is kind of specific |
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| 17:11.42 | Chelsea | Orphis, wait a sec... if it´s possible to mount a img file, which you could make a btfs filesystem, this could still be possible right? |
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| 17:12.30 | Orphis | Chelsea: In my case, btrfs is useful to return a previous state, I don't think you'll need it |
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| 17:13.14 | Chelsea | Orphis, i´ve read a lot about btrfs, but never had a nice usecase for it. This looks like a nice application of that though. |
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| 17:13.43 | Orphis | Well, your kernel needs to have support for it too |
| 17:13.45 | Ritzton | hello |
| 17:14.05 | Chelsea | Orphis, oops... forgot about that ;) |
| 17:15.03 | Chelsea | Orphis, is there a bash oneliner to check that? |
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| 17:15.27 | Orphis | Chelsea: Probably! |
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| 17:16.05 | Ritzton | I do have 2 debian server and I would like to transfer all the mails of some users from one server to the other one, what is the best way to make it ? here are the structures of the user mail dir : http://pastie.org/7907752 |
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| 17:17.44 | digdilem | Ritzton, imapsync is the safest way |
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| 17:17.54 | Terminus | Ritzton: you can't just kill smtpd and imapd and rsync? if not, what digdilem said. |
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| 17:18.44 | WillPittenger | I have a 64-bit Squeezy isntalled. It doesn't seem to detect that Wheezy came out. I checked the 3rd party settings and found that only squeezy URLs are listed. Do I need to manually add Wheezy URLs to upgrade? |
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| 17:19.02 | Ritzton | Terminus> you mean kill the process ? I am sorry I am server admin beginner |
| 17:19.14 | Orphis | WillPittenger: Squeezy? Wheezy or Squeeze? :p |
| 17:19.16 | jelly-home | WillPittenger: the release upgrade is ALWAYS manual. |
| 17:19.32 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell WillPittenger about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:19.38 | n-iCe | what do I Need to play mp3 files? |
| 17:19.43 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell WillPittenger about release notes |
| 17:19.44 | n-iCe | like codecs |
| 17:19.49 | Terminus | Ritzton: the idea is to stop smtpd/pop3d/imapd daemons so that you can consistently copy data over. this is assuming that the target location is completely empty. |
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| 17:20.58 | Terminus | Ritzton: in other words, no data should be changed while the copy is in progress. |
| 17:21.18 | jelly-home | Terminus: if they're using rsync, they might as well do an initial sync while online, and only do a short final round during the downtime |
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| 17:23.06 | Terminus | jelly-home: true. |
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| 17:23.19 | Ritzton | Terminus> I dont want to make it persistant, I just one to transfert it one time |
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| 17:23.58 | Terminus | it seems i should have spent more time looking at Ritzton's paste though. source seems to have it in some courier specific format while the target has maildirs with dovecot metadata. i guess imapsync is the best tool here. |
| 17:24.13 | WillPittenger | this had no effect >>> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:24.27 | jelly-home | offlineimap is a bit more free |
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| 17:24.44 | jelly-home | WillPittenger: PLEASE read the release notes. |
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| 17:25.40 | Ritzton | ok I am going to look trought imapsync thank you |
| 17:25.54 | Quix86 | What form of IM do you guys use? MSN is supposidly dying and skype is getting on my nerves since the linux client sucks among other things |
| 17:26.56 | jelly-home | A poll! |
| 17:27.37 | jelly-home | Quix86: I use Pidgin to connect to my office' Lync, Google Talk and Skype |
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| 17:28.13 | Quix86 | I'd use finch for my skype connection but I heard you have to be running skype in the background or something like that. What is lync? |
| 17:28.17 | jelly-home | (it talks to the skype client over dbuse) |
| 17:28.22 | jelly-home | dbus* |
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| 17:28.56 | jelly-home | Quix86: Lync is Microsoft's thing based on SIP |
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| 17:29.28 | Quix86 | ehh |
| 17:29.37 | Quix86 | isn't there some kinda FOSS IM thing or something? |
| 17:29.44 | Quix86 | or just generally a system not run by MS? |
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| 17:30.20 | jelly-home | the Google one is run by a different multinational corp... |
| 17:30.32 | Quix86 | I know |
| 17:30.33 | jelly-home | or you could run your own irc or xmpp server |
| 17:30.45 | Quix86 | brb |
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| 17:33.10 | gen200 | Hello, |
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| 17:33.50 | gen200 | question, is there any way i can install debian with gnome? i have seen only KDE,Lxde,xfce distros... |
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| 17:34.20 | n-iCe | gen200: default wheezy cd comes with gnome |
| 17:34.47 | gen200 | n-iCe: the latest version is squeeze right? |
| 17:35.03 | n-iCe | wheezy |
| 17:35.07 | n-iCe | read the topic |
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| 17:36.12 | gen200 | n-iCe: i am looking at here...http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 17:38.07 | gen200 | or is it this place i have to download ? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/ |
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| 17:43.53 | gen200 | i don;t understand... i am looking at the ftp site, all i can find is kde,lxde,xfce,..."ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/" |
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| 17:44.00 | gen200 | am i missing something? |
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| 17:45.40 | mumpitzel | gen200: what do you think you are missing? |
| 17:46.24 | gen200 | mumpitzel: didn;t get it... its weezy that i am looking for with gnome... |
| 17:46.43 | Viliny | Hey guys, i want to set up my server to work as pxe boot source so that client machines can run on the server resource - what is this setup called? |
| 17:46.44 | gen200 | mumpitzel: i just can;t find it.. |
| 17:46.51 | somiaj | gen200: cd1 or dvd1 should contain gnome packages to install on them |
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| 17:46.58 | mumpitzel | gen200: CD1 |
| 17:47.13 | somiaj | gen200: note if you have a good network connenction just get the netinstall and download the gnome packages after the base system is isntalled |
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| 17:47.21 | mumpitzel | Viliny: a netboot environment |
| 17:47.34 | gen200 | mumpitzel: do i have to install also the cd2 too? |
| 17:47.43 | Viliny | but a netboot installs it on client hdd whereas i want a thin client sort of thing? |
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| 17:49.11 | mumpitzel | gen200: no. the rest of things you want you get via apt-get over the internet |
| 17:49.37 | gen200 | mumpitzel: thank you, so just the cd1 is enough!!? |
| 17:50.00 | mumpitzel | yes |
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| 17:50.44 | crculver | Is amd64 the right Debian port for Intel 64-bit systems, or is it solely for AMD processors? |
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| 17:51.30 | gen200 | crculver: for sure AMD64 is the right choice for your intel.. |
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| 17:51.34 | crculver | gen200, Thank you |
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| 17:57.25 | aguitel | libreoffice are running to slow in wheezy in my system ,any tips ? |
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| 17:59.17 | ChrisW | has aptitude fallen out of favour? |
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| 18:00.48 | mtn | ChrisW: no, it is in wide use |
| 18:01.16 | ChrisW | how come all the squeeze->wheezy stuff says to use aptitude? |
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| 18:01.36 | nipsy | ChrisW: Did you mean apt-get fallen out of favor? |
| 18:01.39 | jelly-home | ChrisW: apt-get? It seems to work better for that particulat purpose |
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| 18:02.11 | ChrisW | nipsy: no, but I did mean the squeeze->wheezy stuff says to use apt-get ;-) |
| 18:02.23 | jelly-home | ChrisW: it does not say "use it everywhere" |
| 18:02.32 | ChrisW | fair enough |
| 18:02.47 | ChrisW | just wondering if the debian world had decided aptitude was evil for some reason ;-) |
| 18:02.52 | jelly-home | nope |
| 18:02.59 | jelly-home | not more evil than usual |
| 18:03.11 | nipsy | Down with that. It's the bee's knees! |
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| 18:03.33 | ChrisW | do you consider apt-get better? if so, why? (not being aggressive, just curious, I just do as I'm told :-) ) |
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| 18:04.55 | jelly-home | ChrisW: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 18:04.58 | jelly-home | ChrisW: /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 18:05.14 | ChrisW | shoulda guessed that :-) |
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| 18:06.09 | ChrisW | cool, thanks |
| 18:06.35 | somiaj | ChrisW: the strange one that gets me is every now and then you find someone still using dselect |
| 18:06.39 | ChrisW | with squeeze, I've been doing "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" to get security updates. What's the recommended way in Wheezy? |
| 18:06.58 | somiaj | ChrisW: use either apt-get or aptitude, niehter matter |
| 18:07.15 | ChrisW | somiaj: hmmm; dim, painful and old memories are conjured ;-) |
| 18:07.29 | somiaj | ChrisW: in upgrading from one version to the next (like squeeze->wheezy) follow the recomendation in the release notes (which is apt-get on this transition) |
| 18:07.30 | ChrisW | okay, but still update && safe-upgrade? |
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| 18:07.38 | somiaj | ChrisW: that will work just fine. |
| 18:07.55 | ChrisW | cool, I'm a good little boy and try and do that on all my servers on a weekly basis |
| 18:08.38 | somiaj | ChrisW: subscribing to the DSA so you can upgrade when a major secuirty fix hits your machines is helpful |
| 18:08.55 | ChrisW | (only 3 of them, so no need for puppet or any of that new fangled shenanigans.. suppose I could use tmuxlogin if it weren't for my desktop being windoze and my laptop being a max... *runs and hides* |
| 18:09.22 | ChrisW | somiaj: where can I find out how to do that? |
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| 18:09.40 | ChrisW | '/msg dpkg dsa |
| 18:09.43 | ChrisW | :-) |
| 18:09.59 | somiaj | ChrisW: I belive the dsa is easily asscesiable on debain.org too |
| 18:10.22 | ChrisW | active poking via email is more effective for me |
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| 18:10.28 | somiaj | but as a mailing list you get security annoucments in your inbox |
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| 18:11.51 | ruby_master | what does it take to become the leader of Debian? |
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| 18:12.05 | ruby_master | and if I become said leader, do I get a special hat? |
| 18:12.10 | ruby_master | that's importiant |
| 18:12.14 | ruby_master | I want a hat |
| 18:12.21 | mumpitzel | ruby_master: first you become a debian developer (which takes years) and then you need to win an election |
| 18:12.35 | mumpitzel | after that, you are allowed to design your own hat |
| 18:12.56 | kermit | should i use ldap or salt for user management? |
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| 18:14.43 | ruby_master | kermit: ldap is powerful but I feel like it's a can of worms, personal opinion |
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| 18:14.56 | ruby_master | kermit: I hate working with ldap |
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| 18:15.11 | kermit | ruby_master: why's that? management with puppet/salt is messy too |
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| 18:16.41 | franco00 | I would like to install the 'ping' binary, but I don't know the package name (and more frustratingly, I don't know how to apt-cache search for binary names). How to do that? |
| 18:17.45 | mumpitzel | franco00: packages.debian.org can search for package contents. or you can install and use apt-file which can do it too |
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| 18:18.27 | franco00 | (sorry I got disconnected) |
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| 18:19.06 | ruby_master | kermit: not to say that it's 'messy' but it gets complicated and you need people that know ldap well and want to work with it and maintain it, if that's you more power to you, every time I touch ldap I throw up a little in my mouth |
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| 18:20.05 | somiaj | franco00: you need apt-file, but I am surprised that is not on your system. iputils-ping is an 'important' package. So it should be there |
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| 18:20.19 | lokote_jones | I have never wrote c++ code; but can you develop in Linux with the Win32 API? Just run the code under WINE or something? To test that it works? |
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| 18:20.43 | franco00 | somiaj: I had to install a minimal version of debian via an sd (armhf on efikamx. Not enough popularo to have a plain installer) |
| 18:20.49 | franco00 | thanks for the tip |
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| 18:21.09 | somiaj | lokote_jones: unless it is a very simple app, you may want to actually do the development inside a VM |
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| 18:21.30 | lokote_jones | somiaj: Can I develop in debian and then move the file to the VM for testing? Does that sound feasible? |
| 18:21.40 | guma | Any one here has any experience setting up multi home box and multicast routing. I have a great deal of pain doing it. If you have time or experience I can explain in detail what I did and try. Any help appriciated... |
| 18:22.11 | somiaj | lokote_jones: if you follow ANSI standards you should be able to write code that compiles on either windows or debian |
| 18:22.37 | lokote_jones | somiaj: Thank you. I appreciate your time and your answer. I'm off to pick up a C++ book from a friend shortly then. =) |
| 18:22.38 | somiaj | lokote_jones: but in many cases you may use windows only functions/libaries. If so you need some windows enviorment to do the compiling on. |
| 18:22.52 | franco00 | after installing apt-file it works like a charm! Thanks somiaj |
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| 18:23.32 | ruby_master | mumpitzel: so debian maintainer, debian developer, campaign for election, then I am supreme overlord of debian? |
| 18:23.35 | ruby_master | for how long? |
| 18:23.43 | mumpitzel | a year |
| 18:24.02 | ruby_master | can I FDR it and change the rules in office so I can hold office forever? |
| 18:24.08 | mumpitzel | no |
| 18:24.20 | ruby_master | can I name a package in my honor? |
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| 18:24.41 | ruby_master | can I put it on my resume? |
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| 18:25.28 | D|nA | im going to the hospital after so many facepalms |
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| 18:26.03 | ruby_master | come on man it's a monday |
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| 18:27.28 | ruby_master | am I the only person here who uses dvorak? |
| 18:27.35 | ruby_master | tell me I'm not alone |
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| 18:27.57 | m0nk3yjoe | You are very alone .. at least in that |
| 18:28.04 | m0nk3yjoe | =P |
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| 18:29.07 | ruby_master | m0nk3yjoe: I tell you what man, it's at least 75% worth switching over just to watch other people come to your cube, try to use your keyboard, ask you if it's broken and walk away puzzled |
| 18:29.19 | codekK | hi all i have a problem with c++ librarys, i have debian sid and when i include the fstream library my IDE (netbeans) said me "There are unresolved includes inside <fstream>" and if i open "fstream" library i see this line mark with error: #include <bits/basic_file.h> "Cannot find include file" |
| 18:30.00 | m0nk3yjoe | ruby_master, lmao sounds good |
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| 18:30.48 | lokote_jones | ruby_master: Dvorak is rough stuff. |
| 18:30.49 | m0nk3yjoe | ruby_master, we should just develop a fake window 8 screen saver for Linux. That will deter them even better =) |
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| 18:32.31 | ruby_master | m0nk3yjoe: I run debian in a Mac shop and people are already confused by me |
| 18:32.54 | ruby_master | you want to know the four reasons not to use Mac? |
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| 18:33.16 | ruby_master | no Page Up, no Page Down, no Home, and no End keys in terminals |
| 18:33.20 | caraconan | Hi all. If "make" fails, should I re-run "./configure" again? |
| 18:33.26 | ruby_master | if you do anything terminal based, you're out of luck |
| 18:33.39 | m0nk3yjoe | ruby_master, hahah |
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| 18:35.57 | codekK | hmm someone can help me? :( |
| 18:36.00 | codekK | hi all i have a problem with c++ librarys, i have debian sid and when i include the fstream library my IDE (netbeans) said me "There are unresolved includes inside <fstream>" and if i open "fstream" library i see this line mark with error: #include <bits/basic_file.h> "Cannot find include file" |
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| 18:37.16 | ruby_master | codekK: isn't netbeans a java thing? |
| 18:37.26 | codekK | and a C/C++, and PHP |
| 18:37.28 | codekK | and more |
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| 18:39.14 | ruby_master | codekK: hmmm well I'm not sure about that error to be honest |
| 18:39.30 | somiaj | codekK: have you tried apt-file to locate the missing header? |
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| 18:39.53 | codekK | :( i try a reinstall package that contents the library: libstdc++6-4.7-dev, and reinstall the compiler g++, but the problem continue :( |
| 18:40.03 | codekK | somiaj, not really |
| 18:40.06 | codekK | how i can do that? |
| 18:40.16 | ruby_master | before that...make sure you don't already have it... updatedb && locate basic_file.h |
| 18:40.35 | ruby_master | apt-get update && apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search basic_file.h |
| 18:41.17 | somiaj | codekK: seems you got the right package, dpkg -L libstdc++6-4.7-dev -- you see the header in the list right? double check it is on your system |
| 18:41.29 | codekK | /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/c++/4.7/bits/basic_file.h |
| 18:41.31 | codekK | i have the file :O |
| 18:41.34 | somiaj | if that is the case you have a configuration issue as it isn't looking in the right places for the file |
| 18:41.46 | somiaj | I can't tell you what that issue could be though |
| 18:42.21 | ruby_master | where are the other header files coming from that you use? |
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| 18:42.37 | ruby_master | try a lazy kludge and symlink that one into that location |
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| 18:43.30 | codekK | if i do the dpkg -l ... i get this ii libstdc++6-4.7 4.7.3-4 amd64 GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (deve... |
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| 18:43.33 | codekK | and seems be correct |
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| 18:44.11 | ruby_master | codekK: -l lists installed packages, -L lists what the package installs |
| 18:44.19 | codekK | -L |
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| 18:45.33 | codekK | get a lot of directorys |
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| 18:45.46 | somiaj | yea you get every package in the file, either way the file is on your system |
| 18:45.56 | somiaj | so the error is telling your compilier to look in the correct spot |
| 18:46.06 | somiaj | I don't do enough programing to really know what do do here |
| 18:46.09 | codekK | /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/c++/4.7/bits/basic_file.h |
| 18:46.31 | codekK | Ii have the file installed |
| 18:46.34 | codekK | and in correct way |
| 18:46.36 | codekK | :S |
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| 18:50.25 | ruby_master | codekK: what other things are you including and are they in the same area and being seen? |
| 18:50.27 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/4181/ < does somebody know why my /sys /proc /dev/dev /dev/pts are on none? i got a similare machine and it has it all fine |
| 18:50.30 | et09 | do problems ever generally get created frome diting /etc/hostname |
| 18:50.32 | et09 | editing |
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| 18:51.33 | ruby_master | et09: no |
| 18:51.35 | codekK | ruby_master, im including <iostream> <stdlib.h> <time.h> <vector> <fstream> <sstream> |
| 18:51.52 | ruby_master | codekK: and are they all in the same directory hiearchy? |
| 18:52.07 | codekK | hm i dont know |
| 18:52.54 | ruby_master | locate time.h |
| 18:53.09 | ruby_master | just out of shear curiosity |
| 18:53.16 | phox | Viliny: as it looks like nobody answered your question above, you use a tftp server, and I believe normal dhcpd will work for the bootp part of it... |
| 18:53.25 | ruby_master | see where the other libraries it's not complaining about are |
| 18:53.49 | Viliny | phox: thanks, im knee deep in it now |
| 18:54.00 | Viliny | can' seem to mount nfs on client machine for some reason |
| 18:54.02 | Viliny | keeps timing out |
| 18:54.19 | ruby_master | Viliny: are you trying to pxe boot with debian? |
| 18:54.27 | Viliny | yes |
| 18:54.35 | codekK | /usr/include/linux/time.h and /usr/include/c++/4.7/fstream |
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| 18:54.38 | codekK | maybe is this the fail? |
| 18:54.42 | et09 | even on a production server ruby_master ? |
| 18:54.45 | Viliny | the client image is a linux mint installation though |
| 18:54.52 | codekK | maybe fstream need been in /usr/include/linux/? |
| 18:54.59 | et09 | i was getting the feeling not but i'm trying to not get shtcanned ;) |
| 18:55.12 | ruby_master | Viliny: I don't care, you can pxe boot redhat from debian if you want |
| 18:55.16 | ruby_master | it means nothing |
| 18:55.26 | ruby_master | it's really low level |
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| 18:55.42 | et09 | you can pxe boot windows from linux |
| 18:55.44 | ruby_master | Viliny: the one thing you need to watch when setting this all up is your chroot |
| 18:55.47 | et09 | don't tell ms i said that though |
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| 18:55.58 | ruby_master | et09: I can't comment on that but it seems plausible |
| 18:56.05 | et09 | fairly sure i've done it |
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| 18:56.29 | ruby_master | Viliny: in your pxe scripts it's easy to mix up where you are in the chroot so just be aware af where you are at different points |
| 18:56.33 | ruby_master | I've messed that up before |
| 18:56.40 | Viliny | err... right |
| 18:56.57 | ruby_master | for nfs, make sure it's actually running, both daemons, and make sure you're exporting correctly |
| 18:57.08 | ruby_master | (messed that up too) |
| 18:57.16 | jimi_c | is it accurate to say that debian does not ship the netboot images required for pxe in any of the ISO downloads available? Is it only available as a separate download? |
| 18:57.32 | ruby_master | jimi_c: I think you misunderstand |
| 18:57.59 | ruby_master | jimi_c: he wants to turn his system into a pxe booting system, wherein he boots other machines off his off a network and not necessarily installing debian |
| 18:58.13 | jimi_c | i actually just joined, i didn't see any prior conversation |
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| 18:58.53 | ruby_master | as phox said it's not hard, just have to make sure the little parts are moving and mind where you're chrooted to |
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| 18:59.22 | Viliny | do you have any guide for doing this ruby_master ? im using a ubuntu one and im stuck at this point |
| 18:59.22 | ruby_master | et09: I've never had problems from it unless you're screwing up DNS |
| 18:59.26 | Viliny | getting pretty aggro at it |
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| 19:00.07 | ruby_master | well...not off hand, but if you google around for setting up a kickstart server, debian/ubuntu/centos, it's all mostly the same |
| 19:00.16 | ruby_master | I did it on centos last time |
| 19:00.18 | jimi_c | i'm the maintainer of the cobbler project, and have been looking at solidifying support for other distros - debian is next on my list, so the question I have is, is this still accurate http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot and the files required for PXE not already included in any ISO debian ships |
| 19:00.23 | Viliny | so the keyword is kickstart server? |
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| 19:00.40 | et09 | looks clear then thx |
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| 19:00.55 | ruby_master | Viliny: well, I think kickstart is technically a redhat term... |
| 19:01.12 | Viliny | mmm, i found one for debian but that assumed you wanted to install from the pxe server |
| 19:01.13 | ruby_master | Viliny: I think they own copyright on it or something, but it will get you good google results |
| 19:01.15 | Viliny | which i don't want |
| 19:01.25 | ruby_master | Viliny: one sec |
| 19:01.26 | jimi_c | Viliny, search for preseed |
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| 19:02.16 | Viliny | is preseed relevant to me? |
| 19:02.32 | Viliny | seems like some sort of configuration automizer |
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| 19:04.04 | jimi_c | well that's what kickstart is too, they're both methods for automating installations |
| 19:04.25 | Viliny | this seems relevant : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Squeeze/HowTo/NetworkClients |
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| 19:05.22 | jimi_c | ahh, you're just wanting boot from net, not network based installations, sorry for mucking things up |
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| 19:05.34 | m0nk3yjoe | I broke a startup script for open arena server that came with the package... Is there anywhere I can browse it online? |
| 19:05.36 | Viliny | yes, thin clients if you may |
| 19:06.03 | jimi_c | right, that doc would seem to be what you want, ignore the kickstart/preseed stuff |
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| 19:07.17 | ruby_master | oh man I totally had you wrong then |
| 19:07.22 | ruby_master | ignore all the crap I said |
| 19:08.09 | jimi_c | @ruby_master getting back to my question, do you know if what i asked is accurate? |
| 19:08.24 | ruby_master | I don't understand your question |
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| 19:08.46 | ruby_master | if a generic install will allow you to have a debian system capable of doing a pxe boot? |
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| 19:08.58 | ruby_master | without installing further packages? |
| 19:09.26 | ruby_master | I mean in the installer you can tell it you want a file server and a DNS server and I think that would let you do it without having to later add packages |
| 19:09.27 | jimi_c | I want to know if there is a kernel/initrd pair included in any installation ISO which will work with PXE booting for preseed installations |
| 19:10.00 | ruby_master | you don't need a special kernel for it so I don't understand |
| 19:10.01 | jimi_c | when I use the install.amd/{vmlinuz,initrd.gz} it prompts for a CD |
| 19:10.21 | ruby_master | ok... |
| 19:10.25 | jhutchins_wk | Viliny: Ever heard of ltsp? |
| 19:10.40 | jimi_c | the directions in the link i posted above state you need to download the netboot.tar.gz package to do PXE from TFTP |
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| 19:11.13 | jhutchins_wk | Which one of you is trying to do this? |
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| 19:11.32 | jimi_c | I was wanting to confirm if you do in fact have to download that .tar.gz in order to get PXE working for preseeding a debian system |
| 19:11.59 | codekK | How i can see if i have a dependencies problems? |
| 19:12.00 | jimi_c | or if there are just some additional kernel options that need to be passed in during the PXE for the install.amd/vmlinuz to work |
| 19:12.12 | jhutchins_wk | jimi_c: No. |
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| 19:12.34 | jhutchins_wk | jimi_c: So you want to build a PXE boot/build server? |
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| 19:13.05 | jimi_c | jhutchins_wk: I have one, I run the cobbler project, I'm just trying to make debian support better |
| 19:13.06 | mtn | codekK: why do you ask? what is your actual problem? |
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| 19:13.39 | codekK | I think my system is very dirty |
| 19:13.44 | codekK | and i want to clean it a little bit |
| 19:14.02 | bozhan | :) |
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| 19:14.21 | mtn | codekK: what does that have to do with dependencies? |
| 19:14.35 | codekK | i dont know :( |
| 19:14.45 | mtn | codekK: oh good |
| 19:14.46 | jhutchins_wk | I think the netboot tarball is the tree of files that's under the tftp server to allow booting/building. |
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| 19:15.00 | codekK | sry english isnt my native language and my englis level is very poor |
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| 19:15.40 | jhutchins_wk | codekK: Usually if you have a missing dependency aptitude -f install will resolve and fix it. |
| 19:15.45 | bozhan | no offence bur i've read : I think my syster is very dirty :) and checked which channel is that |
| 19:15.50 | oish | :join #haskell |
| 19:16.42 | jhutchins_wk | codekK: There is a package called deborphan that attempts to detect (and remove?) packages that were installed as dependencies but are no longer needed by the currently installed software. |
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| 19:17.12 | codekK | jhutchins_wk, i think this is just what i want |
| 19:17.22 | codekK | thankyou |
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| 19:18.29 | codekK | And someone know what is better for wireless drivers? I have two options wl or brcmsmac. anyone know what is the better way? |
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| 19:26.29 | m0nk3yjoe | Anyone know if you can browse the code contained in a package? I accidentally messed up a startup script to a server and i don't kknow what I did |
| 19:27.13 | larks | m0nk3yjoe: .deb are ar files, you can uncompress them |
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| 19:27.57 | DammitJim | is it normal that when I copy a large file to a usb drive |
| 19:28.03 | DammitJim | the command returns right away? |
| 19:28.14 | DammitJim | I would think it would take longer to transfer 300MB of data |
| 19:28.26 | DammitJim | or is there another command other than cp that will give you progress? |
| 19:28.52 | larks | most likely just filling up a buffer |
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| 19:29.10 | larks | if you're curious you could try the sync command |
| 19:29.17 | wtm0422 | so I've got a weird kind of thing I need to dpkg.. It's less about compiling files (just one C file in there) and more about making directories, moving things around and setting the correct permissions (chmod, chown, etc.) Is there a convenient way to make a dpkg which will simply a.) build one C file, and c.) make a dir, copy stuff and then set the right permissions? |
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| 19:29.33 | DammitJim | sync or rsync? |
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| 19:30.57 | larks | wtm0422: I might be off but autotools may be more of what you want that a deb package |
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| 19:33.11 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: sync. |
| 19:33.43 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: The data is moved to the buffer very quickly, the sync process is what actually writes to the device. |
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| 19:35.15 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: If you umount the drive it syncs at that time (so be carefull about yanking it too soon after umount). |
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| 19:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... is there a tool that takes two files (each has 1 word/line) and joins line 1 of both and line 2... and so on. I thought join would do it... but that compares, which I don't want |
| 19:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it's easy enough to script, but... duh |
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| 19:40.28 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: paste? |
| 19:40.34 | tuxcrafter | i fixed my issues /proc is not needed in /etc/fstab anymore |
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| 19:40.51 | tuxcrafter | but i dont know why it doesnt make an error on my other server |
| 19:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, \o/ |
| 19:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heard of it, though |
| 19:41.22 | xingu | ;) |
| 19:41.25 | tuxcrafter | but everything is still on none when running mount |
| 19:41.30 | jhutchins_wk | CutMeOwnThroat: You'd do a while read loop and printf the first word, then the second, then loop. |
| 19:41.56 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: you can also do it with pr, if you're ever stuck in a sysvr3 world. |
| 19:41.57 | jhutchins_wk | CutMeOwnThroat: You could also import each file into a spreadsheet. |
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| 19:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, paste was exactly what I thought must be out there somewhere, thanks :) |
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| 19:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, fascinating... albeit perhaps not totally unexpected /sys/power/image_size on squeezes kernel 2.6.32-i386 has a maximum of 4GB, you can put in higher values, but then it just wraps around |
| 19:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | to zero |
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| 19:48.52 | venkat_330 | i am using debian6 and i am trying to install a software which needs python 2.7 to run. |
| 19:49.10 | xingu | people still use i386? :) |
| 19:49.17 | venkat_330 | what is the safest way and best way to install 2.7 in debian 6 (squeeze) |
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| 19:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, I felt there was still good reason when I installed this machine |
| 19:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should have used a separate /home partition, then reinstalling wouldn't be a biggie |
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| 19:54.10 | dawud | xingu: It is quite useful for old boxes recycling |
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| 19:54.37 | dawud | xingu: think, P4 and before |
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| 19:58.13 | imox | hello I have created a raid 1 system. but now my hdds are not sync anymore. here http://pastebin.com/TGpwchaC the sdb1 is remove how can I add the partition to my raid device? |
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| 19:59.52 | SmashingX | hi, It seems like my terminal is not spitting out any error messages when I type commands |
| 20:00.11 | SmashingX | I can type any random string and hit enter and it doesn't say anything |
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| 20:02.41 | somiaj | SmashingX: sounds like stderr is not going to the correct spot. Does alsdkjf 2>&1 -- do you see the error with thtat? |
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| 20:03.04 | somiaj | SmashingX: though that may not redirect the stderr of your term |
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| 20:03.17 | SmashingX | I don't see anything |
| 20:03.21 | somiaj | do you see normal errors? 'ls /whatever' |
| 20:03.41 | SmashingX | I can see this |
| 20:03.43 | SmashingX | ls: cannot access asdjgfwe: No such file or directory |
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| 20:04.03 | somiaj | but when you type whatever, you dont see bash: whatever: command not found |
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| 20:04.27 | adilix | hi all |
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| 20:04.45 | adilix | where are the rest of the dvd images to download cant find them |
| 20:04.48 | somiaj | SmashingX: seems like the stderr of your shell has been redirected somewhere. Not really sure how to debug this |
| 20:04.59 | somiaj | adilix: do you really need them? They are on some of the mirrors |
| 20:05.37 | adilix | yes i need them because in some situations (in some places) i dont have internet |
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| 20:06.01 | adilix | i cant find any mirror |
| 20:06.40 | somiaj | adilix: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ -- I guess only dvd 1-3 are there. Maybe they are still building the other ones |
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| 20:07.35 | adilix | yes on all servers i have looked only the first 3 dvd's are there, but in the md5sum files are 10 listed |
| 20:07.54 | jhutchins_wk | venkat_330: You could upgrade to wheezy |
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| 20:08.38 | aarcane | How long is the release cycle on Debian? like.. 5x to 6x, 6x to 7x, etc. |
| 20:08.53 | jhutchins_wk | adilix: You don't need all of the images. |
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| 20:09.17 | somiaj | aarcane: a new stable seems to be every 2-3 years, but there is no time table. When it is ready |
| 20:09.30 | adilix | jhutchins_wk: yes i need them, because in some cases i dont have internet |
| 20:09.40 | jhutchins_wk | aarcane: It's not a schedule. |
| 20:09.52 | jhutchins_wk | aarcane: Lately it's been about two years. |
| 20:09.59 | jhutchins_wk | adilix: No, you DON'T need ALL of them. |
| 20:10.25 | jhutchins_wk | adilix: They include internationalization for ALL languages and include ALL architectures. |
| 20:10.37 | jhutchins_wk | adilix: It's over 30,000 packages. |
| 20:10.40 | useless-1ater | what would be the best desktop os? testing or unstable? |
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| 20:10.52 | jhutchins_wk | useless-1ater: Niether. |
| 20:11.03 | useless-1ater | have stuck to testing last years, but nothing ever breaks. |
| 20:11.06 | jhutchins_wk | useless-1ater: Stable is what you want, expecially now. |
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| 20:11.38 | useless-1ater | hm, on testing and firefox still on version 10 :p |
| 20:11.52 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions iceweasel |
| 20:11.53 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; sid: 17.0.5esr-1; experimental: 20.0-1 |
| 20:12.09 | adilix | jhutchins_wk: i know that and thats the reason why i need all the packages |
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| 20:13.02 | adilix | jhutchins_wk: i mean all the dvd's |
| 20:13.03 | jhutchins_wk | useless-1ater: Looks like the Debian Mozilla team got busy with something else. |
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| 20:13.16 | caraconan | Hi all. I'm getting an error doing 'make' while compiling libvirt-1.0.5 from sources (http://paste.debian.net/4218/). Can somebody please help? Thanks |
| 20:13.26 | jhutchins_wk | adilix: Building lots of IBM mainframes these days? |
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| 20:13.45 | useless-1ater | jhutchins_wk: If I want to stay on testing, is it a hard task to 'backport' firefox from sid? |
| 20:13.47 | adilix | ? |
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| 20:14.12 | imox | hello I have created a raid 1 system. but now my hdds are not sync anymore. here http://pastebin.com/TGpwchaC the sdb1 is remove how can I add the partition to my raid device? |
| 20:14.13 | imox | [9:58pm] |
| 20:14.18 | jhutchins_wk | adilix: You think you need the packages for IBM mainframes? |
| 20:14.25 | adilix | maybe i will wait a little bit more until all the dvd's are out on the servers |
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| 20:15.18 | adilix | jhutchins_wk: no, i mean the 30.000 packages on the dvd's, because i dont have all the time internet connection |
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| 20:17.14 | xingu | dawud: the money you'd save on power costs alone by replacing those systems with either new em64t capable iron or new arm capable iron would break even in around 2 years or so. |
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| 20:27.12 | adilix | another question: is wheezy rc.d based? |
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| 20:27.56 | bauerbob | hi. my nas device is running debian 6.0 with a custom 2.6.35 kernel from a guy who built it specifically for this nas device. can i upgrade to wheezy and stay on kernel 2.6.35? |
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| 20:29.10 | mumpitzel | adilix: yes, wheezy uses sysvinit |
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| 20:29.30 | adilix | mumpitzel, thx |
| 20:30.41 | imox | how can I remove a devoice from an raid array? |
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| 20:32.39 | imox | mdadm -r /dev/md1 /dev/sdb5 |
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| 20:32.43 | imox | mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sdb5: No such device or address |
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| 20:32.57 | imox | it is possible to remove the drive in a live system |
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| 20:35.44 | useless-1ater | how to backport iceweasel from sid? trying the mozilla.debian.net way, but got a too new version :p would like sid's ver 17 |
| 20:35.49 | nipsy | If it's SATA or SAS, you should be able to remove a drive while the system is running (assuming you aren't using it). |
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| 20:37.12 | adilix | ok thx for help, cya bye bye |
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| 20:39.05 | useless-1ater | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid-backports main < was my best guess, but failed with 404 error |
| 20:39.35 | WillPittenger | Too bad the wheezy upgrade isn't a simple installer. I thought the bootable install disk could do upgrades, but it can't. |
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| 20:40.49 | dokma | I've setup a TLS VPN network and now I'm wondering if data is getting encrypted twice if I ssh between two machines in the VPN?? |
| 20:41.13 | useless-1ater | WillPittenger: I like netinstall, that installs with upgrades, (sorry if misunderstood :)) You can get usb key images too |
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| 20:42.48 | WillPittenger | useless-1ater: Check dpkg's "squeeze>wheezy" factoid. It has you going though hopes. :p |
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| 20:45.57 | skyjumper | any update regarding the CVE |
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| 20:46.18 | useless-1ater | got it btw, adding a deb-src; apt-get build-dep iceweasel; apt-get -b source iceweasel; dpkg -i ... :) |
| 20:47.05 | useless-1ater | iceweasel 17.. hope pentadactyl works there |
| 20:48.15 | skyjumper | workaround - http://www.linux-support.com/cms/ben-hutchings-that-perf-root-exploit-cve-2013-2094/ |
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| 20:51.37 | Hydroxide | fwiw, anyone running squeeze is not vulnerable to CVE-2013-2094: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-2094 |
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| 20:51.56 | Hydroxide | skyjumper: ^^ |
| 20:52.27 | ompaul | skyjumper: it is said in various quarters that is not enough |
| 20:53.28 | Hydroxide | ompaul: he doesn't claim it's enough, just a mitigation for the exploit he's seen. he's definitely working on a proper fix - he's both a debian kernel team person and the upstream maintainer of the 3.2 kernel series |
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| 21:04.42 | darsie | Where can I restore docked programs in gnome3? |
| 21:05.13 | oskie_ | ll |
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| 21:06.00 | useless-1ater | wow the "apt-get -b source iceweasel" is taking quite some time |
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| 21:07.20 | useless-1ater | Been working on that command for 30 minutes :) wow (got a pretty slow computer though) |
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| 21:26.34 | KittyColege | Okay so I am trying to set up a basic DNS server with DNSmasq however it's not getting through on interface eth0:0. According to netstat dnsmasq is definately listening on port 53 however when I do a port scan on 10.1.1.3 with nmap from a remote machine port 53 isn't showing up. iptables is also configured to allow all traffic to be accepted on eth0:0. |
| 21:28.12 | phogg | KittyColege: netstat -nlp | grep :53 # does this show a result on the dns box? |
| 21:28.33 | phogg | or rather, how have you verified that it is definitely listening? |
| 21:28.46 | KittyColege | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 21:28.52 | KittyColege | and the UDP one |
| 21:29.00 | KittyColege | phogg, yes |
| 21:29.15 | KittyColege | I already stated that netstat shows port 53 |
| 21:29.23 | phogg | just making sure |
| 21:29.28 | KittyColege | okies |
| 21:29.31 | phogg | easy things first (-; |
| 21:29.57 | KittyColege | btw this is raspbian but the raspbian channel is dead |
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| 21:33.17 | goddard | how can i force upgrade a package that was held back? |
| 21:33.39 | KittyColege | goddard, use the -f argument |
| 21:33.54 | KittyColege | so... |
| 21:34.00 | KittyColege | apt-get -f upgrade |
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| 21:34.37 | goddard | still saying 2 not upgraded |
| 21:34.52 | KittyColege | Idk then |
| 21:34.57 | goddard | ok thanks |
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| 21:34.59 | KittyColege | I honestly never tried -f upgrade |
| 21:35.12 | TyZef | Hi all ! I am using Pcmanfm on Debian7Lxde and I want ask to you if it is possible to search a file in Pcmanfm like edition>find/search ? thank you |
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| 21:35.57 | LtL | goddard: try `aptitude why-not <packagename>` |
| 21:36.35 | KittyColege | phogg? |
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| 21:39.56 | aguitel | how install libreoffice 4.0 in wheezy ? |
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| 21:40.49 | ruby_master | you compile from source |
| 21:41.47 | ruby_master | my libreoffice is a bit limited because I only allow the non java components of it |
| 21:41.55 | ruby_master | I allow no jvm near my machine |
| 21:41.59 | ruby_master | ever |
| 21:42.06 | ruby_master | don't believe in it |
| 21:42.24 | aguitel | ok |
| 21:42.42 | ruby_master | course I'm also a crazy weirdo |
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| 21:42.52 | brankc | Is it possible to install bumblebee from sid on a wheezy install? |
| 21:43.01 | squisher | Hi folks, is reportbug still the recommended way to check/file for bugs? |
| 21:43.02 | ruby_master | what is bumblebee? |
| 21:43.31 | ruby_master | and maybe brankc but you'd have to make sure the libraries don't conflict...but it's still risky |
| 21:43.38 | ruby_master | you could make libc6 very unhappy |
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| 21:43.43 | ruby_master | and then you'd be unhappy |
| 21:43.49 | brankc | NVIDIA Optimus support for Linux. |
| 21:43.54 | squisher | brankc, that's a great question, I may be trying that right now ;-) |
| 21:44.05 | ruby_master | brankc: you don't need bumblebee for that |
| 21:44.20 | brankc | I don't? |
| 21:44.23 | ruby_master | I'm running nvidia optimus right now on wheezy with pure stable |
| 21:44.31 | ruby_master | not even using backports or anything |
| 21:44.38 | ruby_master | I just installed a week ago |
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| 21:44.57 | ruby_master | my resolution is perfect, X behaves fine |
| 21:45.08 | ruby_master | haven't had a single issue in a week |
| 21:45.19 | brankc | Yeah, but it doesn't turn your discrete card off, so you will have reduced battery life. |
| 21:45.26 | brankc | At least, it didn't for me. |
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| 21:45.36 | ruby_master | ok, for that, you may need bumblebee |
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| 21:45.48 | ruby_master | but for just the graphics support you don't as of now |
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| 21:46.04 | ruby_master | I'm constantly plugged in so I don't notice |
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| 21:47.06 | brankc | Right. I've been using a third-party repository for bumbleebee so far, but I would rather use debian's. |
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| 21:49.06 | brankc | bumblebee-nvidia won't install for me though. |
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| 21:49.31 | brankc | I get not available but referred to by another package. |
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| 21:50.21 | KittyColege | ruby_master, bumblebee is that thing that stings u lol |
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| 21:51.05 | squisher | will try if a basic backport works... |
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| 21:53.21 | ssbr | I want to have libclang-3.1+. To do this I followed the top answer in http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing , adding `APT::Default-Release "stable";` to a new file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and added the following to sources.list: http://hastebin.com/jeqeyiviqe.avrasm |
| 21:53.42 | ssbr | I then installed libclang by doing `apt-get install -t unstable libclang1` |
| 21:53.57 | ssbr | but the project I'm compiling failed to find libclang via -lclang |
| 21:54.17 | ssbr | what's up? how do I find where clang was installed (maybe I'm missing an appropriate -L?) |
| 21:54.25 | ssbr | I just want to build this one program -_- |
| 21:54.31 | harrison__ | clever package name |
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| 21:54.47 | useless-1ater | wow, 80 minutes since I started the command "apt-get -b source iceweasel", and still running |
| 21:54.51 | harrison__ | because bumblebee temperature management is like a thing |
| 21:55.38 | harrison__ | http://books.google.com/books/about/Bumblebee_Economics_Revised_Edition.html?id=73yeOpls5qsC |
| 21:56.33 | ChrisW | aptitude tells me "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.", how do I find out what the one was that wasn't upgraded and why? |
| 21:56.36 | useless-1ater | when the deb file is created after this, may I easily move it around on other systems running testing? |
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| 21:56.57 | ruby_master | anyone here familiar with the klingon programming theory? |
| 21:57.14 | squisher | ChrisW, aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 21:57.46 | squisher | ssbr, mixing distros like that is not something you should do easily... personally I try to prefer to build my own backport |
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| 21:58.16 | squisher | ssbr, maybe the one program you're trying to build has a broken build script? seems hard to tell what is going wrong there |
| 21:58.29 | ssbr | squisher: should I just upgrade to unstable then? |
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| 21:58.44 | ssbr | what do I change about what I did to upgrade to unstable? |
| 21:59.02 | ssbr | (do I delete that file, and remove the lines in sources.list about wheezy?) |
| 21:59.29 | squisher | ssbr, are you sure you want to do that? Sure it's easy to upgrade but it's not recommended for beginners |
| 21:59.43 | ssbr | squisher: if debian breaks, I'll just uninstall it |
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| 21:59.59 | ssbr | squisher: I can't do what I need to do without a recent libclang |
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| 22:00.31 | squisher | ssbr, you can delete the unstable file you added, and replace wheezy by sid in your regular sources.list. Then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 22:00.36 | squisher | that's it |
| 22:00.50 | squisher | btw, I do run sid on my desktop without much issues, but YMMV |
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| 22:01.17 | ssbr | squisher: alright, thanks |
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| 22:02.43 | squisher | ssbr, good luck. If it still doesn't work, it really is sensible to check out the build script of your program |
| 22:03.04 | ssbr | squisher: it found -lclang when I installed the wheezy version of libclang |
| 22:03.08 | ssbr | it was just the wrong version of libclang |
| 22:03.17 | squisher | k |
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| 22:04.10 | squisher | ssbr, just out of curiousity, what are you trying to build? |
| 22:04.26 | ssbr | squisher: bindgen (rust program) |
| 22:05.27 | squisher | googles rust |
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| 22:07.42 | squisher | brankc, ok, bumblebee installs fine, now I just need to configure it (I did do a backport, not a direct install from sid) |
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| 22:14.20 | allure | I am not sure how should I go about giving a webmaster access to send files and some database access on a debian box... any tips? |
| 22:14.58 | squisher | allure, sftp & a key restricted to port forwarding the database port? |
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| 22:15.28 | allure | squisher, key? |
| 22:15.42 | allure | squisher, what do you mean by it? :) |
| 22:16.27 | squisher | allure, essentially I'm telling you to use ssh: one account to only allow sftp (no shell login, unless you're ok with that) and another to only allow port forwarding |
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| 22:16.40 | squisher | that way there is no need to reconfigure your database and worry about external authentication |
| 22:17.09 | allure | squisher, I dont get the database part yet :) |
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| 22:17.57 | squisher | allure, with port forwarding you can keep the database access restricted, instead he logs in with ssh and from a database point of view it is a "localhost" connection |
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| 22:18.56 | allure | squisher, you mean port-forwarding trough ssh, then? I see... |
| 22:19.02 | allure | squisher, thank you :) |
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| 22:19.36 | squisher | allure, yes, that's exactly what I mean. Google it -- the setup takes a bit of time, but you can achieve a very high level of security with it :) |
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| 22:19.55 | squisher | and if you don't need as much security, then it'll be even easier to set up ;-) |
| 22:20.00 | allure | squisher, which is always important ;) Thanks! |
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| 22:20.06 | allure | squisher, I'd say I do :P |
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| 22:22.32 | DJPhoeniX | Hi guys. So, has anybody successful expirience of installing Moxa NPort (nrpe2) driver on current stable (wheezy) with kernel 3.2.0-4? |
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| 22:29.23 | GiBa1 | hello |
| 22:29.29 | zeeflo | is it possible to create some script that will install debian over ssh ??? |
| 22:29.35 | GiBa1 | im trying to do my own preseed cfg |
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| 22:29.45 | GiBa1 | and ive reached the point of setting up partitioning |
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| 22:30.17 | GiBa1 | do you know a practical way i can use to test the D I commands? |
| 22:30.25 | GiBa1 | (instead of booting over and over) |
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| 22:33.16 | grothendieck | GiBa1: To check if the format of your preconfiguration file is valid before performing an install, you can use the command debconf-set-selections -c preseed.cfg. |
| 22:33.24 | grothendieck | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs03.html.en |
| 22:33.36 | GiBa1 | cool |
| 22:34.01 | ni291187 | Hi all! i have a relatively big problem over here. Ny system dies not boot anymore after a system crash (hdd i/o err). Now im dropped to root shell after im being informed sda2 has "unexpected inconsistencies" and fsck is dying with exit status 4. What can i do now? |
| 22:34.02 | grothendieck | Pretty sure it just checks for valid syntax though |
| 22:34.10 | grothendieck | like 'perl -c script.pl' |
| 22:34.33 | GiBa1 | omg i can debconf-get-selections --installer > file |
| 22:34.34 | GiBa1 | $ debconf-get-selections >> file |
| 22:34.38 | GiBa1 | #sohappy |
| 22:34.39 | GiBa1 | :) |
| 22:34.39 | grothendieck | ni291187: get a new hard drive, I imagine |
| 22:34.40 | GiBa1 | pepepepepe |
| 22:34.57 | DJPhoeniX | [02:22:47] <DJPhoeniX> Hi guys. So, has anybody successful expirience of installing Moxa NPort (nrpe2) driver on current stable (wheezy) with kernel 3.2.0-4? |
| 22:34.59 | grothendieck | GiBa1: yeah, that's a useful thing too! be sure to read the caveats though |
| 22:35.21 | GiBa1 | i just do a copy paste from the partitioning part |
| 22:35.24 | ni291187 | grothendieck huh? |
| 22:35.25 | grothendieck | it will put some stuff in the preseed that should not be preseeded |
| 22:35.34 | grothendieck | GiBa1: yes, right that is good idea :) |
| 22:35.42 | GiBa1 | thanks! grothendieck |
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| 22:35.53 | ni291187 | grothendieck it is quite new actuall |
| 22:36.06 | grothendieck | ni291187: my guess is your disk died, you should try booting from a liveCD and running fsck off that |
| 22:36.42 | grothendieck | system dies then fsck won't even finish running sounds a lot like hardware failure to me |
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| 22:37.18 | ni291187 | grothendieck u got to be kidding me; bought it just the other day.. |
| 22:37.19 | grothendieck | you can use smartctl to check for bad blocks |
| 22:37.38 | grothendieck | ni291187: in which case you are lucky because it should be covered by warranty |
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| 22:38.22 | grothendieck | hardware is often defective |
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| 22:38.45 | grothendieck | which is why it is a bad idea to buy a bunch of disks or RAID controllers or whatever from the same vendor at the same time |
| 22:38.46 | ni291187 | grothendieck but my personal data is on it (emails and all) i cant just bring it vack i guess.. |
| 22:39.03 | ni291187 | hmmm |
| 22:39.08 | grothendieck | because they they all fail suddenly at the same time and a dozen servers go down all at once |
| 22:39.11 | grothendieck | :p |
| 22:39.33 | grothendieck | ni291187: first do fsck from a livecd and make sure the disk is bad |
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| 22:39.51 | mtn | ni291187: you may be able to save the data using a live disk, too |
| 22:39.52 | grothendieck | I am just guessing the disk is bad based on what you said |
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| 22:40.51 | grothendieck | you can also wipe the disk with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' for example |
| 22:41.36 | ni291187 | anyone knows where thunderbird is saving its emails and account data so i could shred them!? |
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| 22:41.58 | grothendieck | you're jumping the gun |
| 22:42.06 | grothendieck | first find out if your disk is okay |
| 22:42.10 | mtn | ni291187: .thunderbird or .iceweasel, depending |
| 22:42.11 | grothendieck | then figure out why system will not boot |
| 22:42.29 | mtn | .icedove, that is |
| 22:43.05 | ni291187 | grothendieck, well the disk made strange sounds beforehand so u might very well ve rifht :/ |
| 22:43.05 | grothendieck | ni291187: http://www.dban.org/ |
| 22:43.05 | mtn | ni291187: test your disk first, good advice |
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| 22:43.38 | ni291187 | nothing is lost, its imap anyways |
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| 22:44.39 | grothendieck | if you need to return the disk to vendor, just boot with dban disc and wipe everything |
| 22:44.46 | ni291187 | i have no live medium btw |
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| 22:46.03 | grothendieck | okay |
| 22:46.29 | grothendieck | you might also want to try running a memtest |
| 22:47.14 | grothendieck | there are plenty of guides and articles on troubleshooting hardware failure, attempting data recovery, securely deleting everything from a broken disc, ... |
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| 22:48.03 | ni291187 | umh, it was a "maintainance shell; when i press ctrl-d it would resume boot :/ |
| 22:48.19 | grothendieck | resumes boot and fails? |
| 22:49.36 | ni291187 | it resumes boot and starts x.. |
| 22:50.00 | ni291187 | now im logged in with user |
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| 22:53.23 | grothendieck | ni291187: congratulations |
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| 22:53.48 | ni291187 | well thanks, but i guess theres a problem still |
| 22:54.01 | axisys | whats the command to just install security updates? |
| 22:54.44 | dondelelcaro | axisys: if you only have security listed, that's all you'll get |
| 22:54.50 | dondelelcaro | (in your sources.list) |
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| 22:55.08 | axisys | i have 43 pending security updates |
| 22:55.20 | axisys | I like to install them now without upgrading all other packages |
| 22:55.32 | axisys | my sources.list has more than just secuiry repos |
| 22:56.00 | axisys | can I just use the security repos as reference may be temporarily |
| 22:56.01 | grothendieck | so comment out non-security repos in your sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 22:56.08 | grothendieck | or you can use some clever grepping |
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| 22:56.20 | axisys | how does the unattended-upgrade does it? |
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| 22:57.02 | grothendieck | better yet: cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/security.sources.list ; edit security.sources.list ; apt-get upgrade -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/security.sources.list |
| 22:57.13 | axisys | grothendieck: cool! |
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| 22:57.39 | grothendieck | axisys: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates (re: unattended-upgrades process) |
| 22:58.16 | axisys | grothendieck: thanks |
| 22:58.18 | grothendieck | np |
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| 22:59.35 | ni291187 | well thanks for now guys; logging out via mobile |
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| 22:59.52 | grothendieck | bye |
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| 23:05.48 | ssbr | ups |
| 23:05.53 | ssbr | so I broke debian apparently |
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| 23:07.05 | ssbr | What do I do to fix this mess? http://bpaste.net/show/kY5C4lT6cpBNtbYBjxzp/ |
| 23:07.41 | marsje | Just upgraded my server from squeeze to wheezy and unfortunately not everything went smooth... my dovecot seems pretty broken now |
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| 23:07.54 | axisys | wow.. so this one command does all the magic |
| 23:07.57 | axisys | aptitude safe-upgrade -o Aptitude::Delete-Unused=false --assume-yes --target-release `lsb_release -cs`-security |
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| 23:13.46 | KittyColege | Okay so I am trying to set up a basic DNS server with DNSmasq however it's not getting through on interface eth0:0. According to netstat dnsmasq is definately listening on port 53 however when I do a port scan on 10.1.1.3 with nmap from a remote machine port 53 isn't showing up. iptables is also configured to allow all traffic to be accepted on eth0:0. |
| 23:14.14 | marsje | looks like the wheezy upgrade really broke dovecot :( |
| 23:14.52 | KittyColege | marsje, :( |
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| 23:15.45 | marsje | what is status "u" for a package with aptitude? |
| 23:16.02 | beardy | Upgradable. |
| 23:16.17 | KittyColege | Pls can someone help me? :( |
| 23:16.57 | beardy | KittyColege: Did you scan UDP? |
| 23:17.19 | KittyColege | beardy, yeah |
| 23:17.28 | rwp | ssbr, You appear to have packages from different sources. If it were me I would purge the affected packages and then after simplifying to a smaller system that is happy then install the packages fresh again. |
| 23:17.29 | KittyColege | both tcp and udp should be avail tho |
| 23:17.39 | KittyColege | cause DNS is both of em |
| 23:17.51 | KittyColege | even netstat is showing that DNS is listening on both of them. |
| 23:18.19 | marsje | beardy: looks like the dovecot package was broken up into several other packages... I'm not sure where to start now |
| 23:18.46 | ssbr | rwp: I can't purge them. If I do "apt-get remove" it errors too. |
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| 23:19.35 | rwp | ssbr, You may have to use dpkg --purge --force-depends and individually target selected packages. |
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| 23:19.46 | ssbr | rwp: oh, I see |
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| 23:20.02 | rwp | Make sure you have a consistent sources.list throughout including /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* and a good apt-get update. |
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| 23:20.22 | KittyColege | :( |
| 23:20.26 | KittyColege | this is annoying |
| 23:20.33 | KittyColege | I'm only getting partial support :/ |
| 23:20.37 | rwp | Multiarch is definitely going to make things more difficult when they get unhappy. |
| 23:20.43 | KittyColege | like everytime I ask for help on this problem |
| 23:20.45 | KittyColege | gah |
| 23:20.54 | JLT | Hello. I have a script that works very strangely. If I did... sh addSite.sh I will get an unexpected (, expecting 'then' whilst if I do bash addSite.sh it works fine. It would work both ways on Squeeze, but Wheezy just doesn't like it. |
| 23:20.57 | beardy | For the price that's not too bad eh. |
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| 23:20.58 | ssbr | rwp: on the advice of someone else, I had a mixed sources.list |
| 23:21.00 | rwp | KittyColege, Support? This isn't a paid support channel. |
| 23:21.06 | ssbr | I've since decided to upgrade totally, since that didn't work |
| 23:21.07 | JLT | The line it's complaining about is specifically if [[ ! $1 =~ ^(.*)\..*$ ]]; then |
| 23:21.10 | ssbr | too late to avoid problems, I guess |
| 23:21.13 | KittyColege | rwp, I never said it was |
| 23:21.15 | KittyColege | :/ |
| 23:21.16 | beardy | Such comments will null it though. |
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| 23:21.35 | KittyColege | It's vital I get access to DNS port |
| 23:21.36 | KittyColege | gah! |
| 23:23.16 | rwp | ssbr, Following advice on the internet (including mine) is often trouble. Mostly because the information exchange is only partial all around. So we all are trying to make due with only a partial part of the picture. |
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| 23:25.15 | KittyColege | :/ |
| 23:25.15 | KittyColege | Guys? |
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| 23:26.15 | KittyColege | :( |
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| 23:29.07 | marsje | my dovecot seems to refusing connections and I'm not sure what config it is using and if I have to do anything after changing the config |
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| 23:29.54 | ssbr | rwp: how do I find exactly the name of a package? |
| 23:30.04 | ssbr | dpkg: error: --purge needs a valid package name but 'libglu1-mesa' is not: ambiguous package name 'libglu1-mesa' with more than one installed instance |
| 23:30.04 | dpkg | ssbr: that's too long |
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| 23:31.10 | neytiri | hi where can i get a debian 6 iso image? |
| 23:31.15 | kingsley_ | KittyColege: I seem to vaguely recall that dnsmasq was finicky to debug. Maybe it needs to be run on a command line with something like "-v" for verbose instead of as a daemon. |
| 23:31.21 | beardy | That's what.. nvm. |
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| 23:31.44 | darthanubis | ty all. Loving it |
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| 23:32.17 | kingsley_ | KittyColege: You may have already tried it, but you might also use telnet to query its port, especially from the same computer that's running dnsmasq. |
| 23:33.04 | kingsley_ | KittyColege: Failing that, there are always the #networking and #bind channels on Freenode. |
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| 23:33.13 | kingsley_ | KittyColege: Does that make sense? |
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| 23:35.12 | beardy | neytiri: Why do you need one? |
| 23:35.50 | beardy | neytiri: Seems like http://archive.debian.org/ hasn't been updated with it yet. |
| 23:36.04 | neytiri | i foudn one thanks tho |
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| 23:39.29 | rneese | eveing |
| 23:40.47 | rneese | any repo guru's here |
| 23:40.50 | rneese | I need help |
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| 23:41.37 | beardy | Just ask your question and they might reveal themselves. |
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| 23:42.26 | rneese | sorry my kbd stopped responding |
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| 23:42.44 | cusco | got a keylogger malfucntion on your keyboard? |
| 23:43.16 | rneese | no I am on a bt kbd |
| 23:43.59 | rneese | ok well step 1 is I need pointed to where it discuss in the pkg system on how to make a noarch based pkg |
| 23:44.28 | rneese | the issue is its only a web gui and does not need to be 1386 or amd64 specific |
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| 23:45.00 | rneese | 2 ver of the pkg a fusionpbx and fusionpbx-dev |
| 23:45.34 | rneese | as it now I have 4 pkgs 2 i386 and 2 amd64 and it has issues adding them to the repo |
| 23:45.40 | beardy | There are more architectures than that. |
| 23:45.44 | rneese | it complains about the md5 on files |
| 23:46.02 | rneese | well it should work on any platform |
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| 23:46.28 | rneese | but I dont find in the handbook where to set no arch |
| 23:46.46 | rneese | in the debian files |
| 23:46.57 | marsje | aptitude shows my statuses I have never seen before... "pi"? "c"? |
| 23:47.57 | themill | dpkg: tell rneese about nmg |
| 23:49.08 | themill | marsje: that's a concatenation of a status and an action by the looks of it. /msg dpkg aptitude status |
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| 23:51.14 | j_v | I've setup up a patch for the xserver-xorg-video-nouvea that brings the package in experimental up to the current git on freedesktop.org. This patch clears up a problem that prevented zaphodheads from working properly, fixed by nouveau devs. Should I submit a bug report? If so, include the patch or just inform the debian dev which commit fixes the bug? |
| 23:52.07 | rneese | the pages read like german sterio instructions |
| 23:52.16 | marsje | themill: thanks |
| 23:52.19 | rneese | I am readin |
| 23:52.56 | beardy | rneese: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html "Specifying only all indicates that the source package will only build architecture-independent packages." Also in chapter 4.1 of what themill pointed you to. |
| 23:53.20 | rneese | ok |
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| 23:53.51 | themill | (but I'd suggest you do some more reading on that rather than just using beardy's answer and moving on) |
| 23:54.10 | beardy | suggests the same. |
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| 23:55.50 | themill | j_v: has upstream released that patch in a new package? Reporting a bug and either pointing at the commit id or attaching the patch would be perfectly fine |
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| 23:57.09 | j_v | themill: upstream made commit two days ago, but not new package. |
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