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| 00:01.26 | j_v | themill: thanks for advice. I will submit bug. |
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| 00:02.58 | Quix86 | Has anyone in here gotten fbterm working on debian? |
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| 00:10.05 | j_v | Quix86: error I get is: `stdin isn't a interactive tty!` |
| 00:10.11 | ssbr | What do I do to make this not broken? :( http://bpaste.net/show/cW4GLMLAoezsygJR928V/ |
| 00:10.22 | Quix86 | j_v are you trying to start it with X running? |
| 00:10.32 | Quix86 | and/or inside of screen/tmux? |
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| 00:10.42 | themill | dpkg: tell ssbr about multiarch changelog |
| 00:10.55 | j_v | Quix86: yeah |
| 00:11.18 | Quix86 | j_v it's meant to be run directly in CLI |
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| 00:11.46 | Quix86 | there is a technical term for that but I don't know what it is. I'd say TTY but I think I'd be wrong |
| 00:11.47 | j_v | Quix86: it won't run from an xterm even? |
| 00:12.05 | Quix86 | j_v I doubt it, it's meant to be like xterm but it uses the framebuffer instead of X |
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| 00:12.20 | Quix86 | you might be able to start it from tty, I haven't tried |
| 00:12.41 | ssbr | themill: that appears to have worked. I'll find out as I continue. Thank you! :) |
| 00:12.50 | themill | np |
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| 00:14.26 | j_v | Quix86: works for me... but I didn't do much in it except do some dir listings and ran top. |
| 00:14.35 | Quix86 | j_v I can get it to start, my issues are |
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| 00:15.09 | Quix86 | 1) 256 color support. TERM=fbterm will get tput to report 256 colors but if I try using any application that supports 256 colors it will garble everything |
| 00:15.26 | Quix86 | I'm no code expert, or know anything about coding, but I -think- that's a buffer overflow |
| 00:15.32 | ssbr | After I finish everything, I'm really worried that my system will not be in a good state |
| 00:15.46 | ssbr | is there a command to ask dpkg "is my system configured OK / is there any outstanding issues in the package manager"? |
| 00:15.52 | Quix86 | 2) There is a script for using a background image, but I have no idea where the script goes or what to name it |
| 00:16.18 | Quix86 | not to mention there isn't actually a place inside the example to enter the file location. But again, I don't know jack about that so I might just be missing something very obvious |
| 00:17.00 | j_v | Quix86: could you name a console app that uses 256 colors? I can try it here. |
| 00:17.23 | Quix86 | j_v elinks is what I test with, along with a perl script |
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| 00:17.40 | themill | ssbr: the changelog overwrites are annoying and need to be fixed in the debian packaging but there's nothing to worry about there. "apt-get -f install" tells apt to make sure all dependencies are satisfied. |
| 00:17.46 | Quix86 | you use alt+s to open up the menu and change terminal options... |
| 00:18.08 | Quix86 | I think emacs/vim use 256 colors if you are into those programs |
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| 00:18.18 | Quix86 | I have no idea how they work |
| 00:18.22 | ssbr | themill: annoying mostly because nobody helped me while I was totally stuck :( |
| 00:18.34 | ssbr | OK, I'll do that after finishing dist-upgrade. Thanks again :) |
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| 00:19.04 | harrison__ | ssbr when you look back and see that in the hardest times there was only one set of footprints |
| 00:19.05 | harrison__ | that' |
| 00:19.08 | harrison__ | s |
| 00:19.19 | harrison__ | not because debian abandoned you |
| 00:19.28 | harrison__ | it is because debian was carrying you |
| 00:19.38 | Quix86 | lol |
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| 00:21.36 | ksk | is debian squeeze/wheezy affected by this latest local root exploit? |
| 00:21.48 | owa | wheezy is, yeah |
| 00:22.00 | themill | subscribes ksk to debian-security-announce |
| 00:22.05 | ksk | thanks themill |
| 00:22.33 | ksk | IIRC I just failed applying to the list cuz I would have liked "debian@" as my address :( |
| 00:22.49 | Quix86 | j_v, http://www.frexx.de/xterm-256-notes/data/256colors2.pl is the script I use to test 256 colors. Any time I try it it garbles the whole screen |
| 00:23.01 | themill | ksk: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2013/msg00076.html |
| 00:23.03 | Quix86 | you'll have to type 'exit' to exit fbterm to get your text back |
| 00:23.53 | j_v | Quix86: yeah... when I set config to 256 colors, some of the characters are garbled. so far, on my end it looks like a font problem, but this is very superficial observation. |
| 00:24.24 | Quix86 | j_v there is a way to change the fonts... I believe ~/.fbtermrc |
| 00:24.42 | Quix86 | there is also a command to list available fonts. Lemme check the man page... |
| 00:25.27 | j_v | Quix86: don't go to too much trouble. I was just trying it out to see it I could help. |
| 00:25.28 | themill | ksk: actually, the tracker of doom is better for this one https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-2094 (assuming that's the CVE you are talking about) |
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| 00:26.03 | Quix86 | j_v yeah, it seems like nobody has actually used fbterm and the documentation on it kinda sucks frankly |
| 00:26.39 | Quix86 | also try "fbterm -n=freesans" |
| 00:26.44 | Quix86 | it likes to mess up fonts |
| 00:26.46 | j_v | Quix86: what would be the benifits of it if it was working properly? |
| 00:27.20 | Quix86 | j_v I'd have color support and a background without using X. I'm doing this on a older computer that can't quite run X as smoothly as I'd like |
| 00:27.32 | Quix86 | just using tmux in console is quick enough, but I'd like to have some rice if I can |
| 00:27.51 | j_v | Quix86: ahhh, ok. that makes sense. |
| 00:28.51 | Quix86 | I guess I'll ask arch, most of the stuff I read about is from arch sites |
| 00:28.53 | j_v | Quix86: have you checked to see if there are any bug reports on fbterm |
| 00:29.36 | Quix86 | j_v I don't think I have, although other people seem to be able to get this working easily |
| 00:29.53 | j_v | Quix86: arch is my second choice after debian... and their wiki is helpful |
| 00:30.32 | Quix86 | j_v I'm much more familiar with debian, I'd like to get fbterm working on it if at all possible. |
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| 00:32.00 | j_v | Quix86: well, without digging further into it than I have time for, I can't be much help. Sorry. Got a lot on my plate recently. |
| 00:32.24 | Quix86 | j_v that's fine, I've dug a bit and there just doesn't seem to be much out there outside of the man page |
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| 00:32.49 | Quix86 | if you have time do you mind checking the background script mentioned there? I think that's something more simple that I can't figure out |
| 00:33.39 | j_v | Quix86: I mostly work in c, perl isn't my cuppa. |
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| 00:34.09 | j_v | Quix86: I'd be grasping at straws. |
| 00:34.10 | Quix86 | j_v, I think it's just a bash script, not perl. Could be wrong |
| 00:34.34 | Quix86 | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fbterm bottom of the page basically |
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| 00:38.26 | j_v | Quix86: ok, yes, you're right, but where did you get fbv? it doesn't seem to be available on jessie or sid |
| 00:38.57 | Quix86 | j_v I use "fim" or "fbi" instead |
| 00:39.05 | Quix86 | the programs work in the same way |
| 00:39.08 | Quix86 | afaik |
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| 00:40.47 | Quix86 | also I wish I knew what kept spinning up my hard drive when I'm idle. Total power consumption gets close to 6-7w when it's off |
| 00:40.54 | Quix86 | closer to 8-9w when it's on |
| 00:41.06 | Quix86 | which is a good half hour at least in battery |
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| 00:43.01 | semko | hej |
| 00:43.13 | semko | what is the kernel version for the stable branch? |
| 00:43.35 | semko | (that is if i just use standard stable repos) |
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| 00:44.05 | semko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:50.56 | j_v | Quix86: sorry, this is pretty interesting, but my eyes are getting bleary as it get's late for me. |
| 00:52.06 | Quix86 | k, have fun in bed |
| 00:52.21 | somiaj | ,v kernels |
| 00:52.22 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 00:52.27 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 00:52.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-1-686-pae (3.8.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
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| 00:52.56 | j_v | Quix86: gnight |
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| 00:58.02 | ttyS1 | xorg doesn't startt when i reboot the system. I can manually run startx and it works fine except the application and system settings menu is not available. when i start gdm3 xorg stops working again, is there anything i have to change on the gdm3 settings. I installed the nvidia non-free drivers |
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| 01:11.42 | TheCloneBay | Hey all had some questions about wifi on debian as im aware the max TX power is 30 is there a way to bypass this? |
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| 01:15.46 | rneese | ok I found the fix thnks |
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| 01:24.50 | Chelsea | Hi all, are chroot environments portable? I.e., be used between different kernels? |
| 01:25.59 | themill | Chelsea: assuming that they are either the same architecture or at least a compatible arch, then yes. (and you can even do incompatible archs if you throw around qemu-static and binfmt) |
| 01:26.37 | Chelsea | Good god... that's awesome! |
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| 02:01.05 | denom_ | curious what the situation is with deploying hadoop on debian. I see the official packages have gone away. Does anyone have experience with this? |
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| 02:05.34 | ksk | ,versions hadoop |
| 02:05.35 | judd | No package named 'hadoop' was found in i386. |
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| 02:07.05 | denom_ | yep, that is a small bummer.. |
| 02:07.31 | denom_ | I believe it used to be there, but I guess it was to complex to maintain...maybe too many versions of it |
| 02:07.57 | denom_ | hadoop! |
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| 02:24.47 | ariqs | I went to install debian, and had it auto use the largest available free space on a partition and it's giving me an error about no "EFI" |
| 02:24.49 | ariqs | what's that? |
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| 02:25.56 | caf | it might be complaining about no EFI boot partition |
| 02:26.03 | LtL | !tell ariqs -about efi |
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| 02:26.25 | k_sze[work] | What's the correct/idiomatic/debian way of telling Apache2 to reload configuration? |
| 02:26.52 | LtL | ariqs: check message from dpkg the bot |
| 02:26.57 | ariqs | I see it |
| 02:26.59 | k_sze[work] | I'm on wheezy, and it seems that I don't have the `service`, `apache2ctl` or `reload` commands. |
| 02:27.02 | themill | k_sze[work]: "service apache2 reload" (or invoke-rc.d) |
| 02:27.10 | ariqs | so what is the implication of not finding an EFI partition? |
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| 02:27.44 | themill | k_sze[work]: you'd have to work very very hard not to have "service" but it is in sbin |
| 02:27.52 | k_sze[work] | themill: `service` gets me command not found. |
| 02:27.52 | ariqs | I already have windows 7 and another linux distro on the drive |
| 02:27.54 | k_sze[work] | let me check |
| 02:28.10 | LtL | ariqs: I haven't messed with it yet, but i would probably create it, but i would read up on it first. |
| 02:28.22 | themill | k_sze[work]: as root? |
| 02:28.22 | k_sze[work] | '/usr/sbin/service, right? |
| 02:28.28 | themill | yes |
| 02:28.34 | k_sze[work] | I can't just sudo? |
| 02:28.45 | themill | that should work fine too |
| 02:29.13 | ariqs | LtL: I don't want to :P I want to know the repercussions of not doing so |
| 02:29.23 | k_sze[work] | right... so my $PATH doesn't have /usr/sbin, but does have /usr/games. That's useful. |
| 02:29.33 | ariqs | like, why is it even bothering to tell me? What happens if I don't? |
| 02:29.40 | ariqs | I didn't tell it to or not to |
| 02:29.42 | ariqs | it just decided for me |
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| 02:30.13 | themill | k_sze[work]: your user path shouldn't have /sbin; root's path shouldn't have /usr/games |
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| 02:33.03 | seeker61 | i have a home network and can see my xp machines with my debian box but can not see my windows 7 boxes why is thqt |
| 02:33.05 | seeker61 | that |
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| 02:34.03 | abrotman | see them how? |
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| 02:35.32 | seeker61 | abrotman: when i click on network under computer my xp boxes are there but not my win 7 ones i see them after i click on my home network not the workgroup |
| 02:35.37 | jaggz|2 | is there a way to view a directory as a file itself? (hexedit it or something)? |
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| 02:36.17 | ArtyG | seeker61, are all your systems on the same workgroup? |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | seeker61: there are variuos differences for smb with win7, google should be able to help you out |
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| 02:36.50 | fairuz | Hi guys. I tried to install libmysqld-dev but broken package errors. I already done apt-get update and upgrade on my machine. http://pastebin.com/HSYCy1J2 |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | jaggz|2: to what end? |
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| 02:37.18 | jaggz|2 | to see what it looks like once I unlink a file |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | stat? |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | not sure what exactly you're looking for |
| 02:38.09 | jaggz|2 | the actual raw directory file |
| 02:38.20 | seeker61 | ArtyG: yes all on one shall i say domain |
| 02:38.33 | k_sze[work] | themill: ah, so Debian seems to be also different from Ubuntu in this way. IIRC, I could find `service` as regular user, so maybe '/usr/sbin' is directly in the regular user's $PATH on Ubuntu. |
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| 02:39.06 | abrotman | k_sze[work]: permission differences also |
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| 02:39.38 | themill | k_sze[work]: is this a fresh install of wheezy or an upgrade? |
| 02:39.50 | themill | (and have you customised sudoers?) |
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| 02:40.07 | ArtyG | seeker61, most odd, I can see all my XP *and* 7 boxes from my Debian server. |
| 02:40.30 | LordBrain | i want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but i want to keep my desktop with gnome 2 for now, is there a how to on that? |
| 02:40.38 | seeker61 | ArtyG: maybe I am not configured correctly |
| 02:40.55 | themill | LordBrain: you don't. You can try xfce or learn to love gnome3 |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | LordBrain: not possible |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | LordBrain: if you want a windows-ish interface, loo |
| 02:41.39 | abrotman | look at lxde |
| 02:41.40 | jaggz|2 | okay.. figured it out. I can stat it, get the inode, then debugfs -R 'cat <inodenumber>' /dev/device |
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| 02:42.48 | abrotman | LordBrain: honestly, gnome3 is nice if you take a bit to adjust |
| 02:42.49 | seeker61 | ArtyG; I am wondering if the 7 boxes are not shared correctly |
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| 02:43.06 | LordBrain | yeah abrotman, i just didn't want to be thrust into it all at once |
| 02:43.13 | seeker61 | ArtyG: mr. gates went nuts with security around win7 days |
| 02:43.31 | abrotman | LordBrain: it's not awful, just takes a bit of getting used to |
| 02:43.40 | LordBrain | i don't have a touch screen |
| 02:43.49 | abrotman | seeker61: hardly mr gates |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | LordBrain: ne |
| 02:44.00 | LordBrain | ne? |
| 02:44.00 | abrotman | LordBrain: neither do i |
| 02:44.09 | LordBrain | it is fine without a touch screen? |
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| 02:44.32 | abrotman | LordBrain: i use it mostly mouse-free, it works well |
| 02:44.34 | ArtyG | seeker61, I have security settings pretty stock, I just made sure all my systems were on the same workgroup and everything was happy. |
| 02:44.41 | LordBrain | there was a lot of noise when it was released, it has got me scared |
| 02:44.46 | seeker61 | so what would be the benefit of moving to wheezy from squeeze |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | LordBrain: try it for yourself |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | LordBrain: it's an adjustment, not a life changer |
| 02:46.02 | seeker61 | ArtyG: when i open windows network i have a workgroup and then my home sytem showing i double click on home system and all i see are the computers near me |
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| 02:46.28 | ariqs | ok, it gives me this error "No EFI partition was found" |
| 02:46.36 | ariqs | but it never gives me an option to create an EFI partition |
| 02:46.37 | ArtyG | seeker61, you have your workgroup name set the same on all the systems, though? Windows 7 has a different default than Windows XP. |
| 02:46.41 | ariqs | and I've already got grub installed |
| 02:46.42 | ariqs | why do I need it |
| 02:46.44 | ariqs | I don't get it |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | LordBrain: but if you don't like it, there are alternatives |
| 02:48.01 | seeker61 | ArtyG: named acura |
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| 02:48.16 | ariqs | it just throws that out of the blue on me without explaining whaat it means to my install |
| 02:48.27 | ArtyG | seeker61, okeedokes. No idea, then. Good luck. |
| 02:48.38 | abrotman | ugh, batteries |
| 02:49.00 | seeker61 | ArtyG; thanks -- any thoughts on wheezy over squeeze |
| 02:50.07 | ArtyG | Well, Wheezy's igb and ixgbe drivers seem to work with newer Intel NICs out of the box. Other than that...I haven't noticed anything HUGE. |
| 02:50.48 | seeker61 | night night one and all have a wonderful tomorrow |
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| 02:51.38 | Quix86 | how should I go about setting up xterm to run without a WM? |
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| 02:52.28 | apm1 | i have a cedar drive atom which is being anal abt setting the resolution to only 1200 X 600 |
| 02:52.31 | tharkun_ | Quix86: xterm requires X to run |
| 02:52.42 | apm1 | that reso. is fine for the netbook's own display |
| 02:52.43 | Quix86 | tharkun_, but it can be run without a WM |
| 02:52.48 | Quix86 | you can run X with just xterm on it |
| 02:52.54 | Quix86 | it's just a bit tricky to set up |
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| 02:53.13 | apm1 | but this external monitor i have attached has a max reso. of 1366 X 768 |
| 02:53.46 | apm1 | and another thing is when i attach the external monitor the netbooks display goes blank |
| 02:54.36 | apm1 | i did try setting the resolution with xrandr but it didn't work |
| 02:54.47 | apm1 | i am guessing a driver issue |
| 02:54.57 | tharkun_ | Quix86: hmm You can add a tab wm and you are all set up |
| 02:55.07 | apm1 | since this oparticular atom is known to suck at graphics |
| 02:55.11 | Quix86 | tharkun_, resources |
| 02:55.25 | Quix86 | I tried DWM and it slows things down a surprising amount |
| 02:55.39 | tharkun_ | awesome, twm, notion ... |
| 02:56.50 | tharkun_ | !ion |
| 02:56.50 | dpkg | ion is a tiling and tabbing <window manager> designed for keyboard users. ion3 is in non-free due to restrictions on modifications imposed by its licence; ask me about <non-free sources>. ion2 and ion3 are dead upstream, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bugs #526170 and #576899 respectively. For alternatives, ask me about <awesome>, <ratpoison>, <tritium>, <stumpwm>, <xmonad>. |
| 02:56.52 | LordBrain | apt-get update gives me this error: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:56.52 | LordBrain | 8B48AD6246925553 |
| 02:57.04 | LordBrain | how do i fix this? |
| 02:57.18 | Quix86 | that software doesn't respect my freedom |
| 02:57.44 | ariqs | can I use the same swap partition for multiple distros? |
| 02:57.54 | tharkun_ | ariqs: yes |
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| 02:58.11 | apm1 | LordBrain, generally i lay off updates and in a few minutes the GPG key for the repos gets fixed all by itself |
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| 02:58.25 | Quix86 | ariqs, but you might have issues if you hibernate one and then boot into another... I don't believe grub forces boot to a hibernating partition |
| 02:58.49 | LordBrain | apml what does it mean to lay off updates? |
| 02:59.03 | apm1 | LordBrain, not attempt them |
| 02:59.07 | LordBrain | i need to update to upgrade |
| 02:59.18 | garn32 | I'm having some problems with pulseaudio not being able to change the volume other than mute or +100% volume, anyone have any clues? |
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| 02:59.25 | apm1 | LordBrain, for a few minutes just wait |
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| 02:59.44 | LordBrain | what is causing the problem? |
| 03:00.02 | apm1 | LordBrain, some mirror for the repos |
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| 03:00.33 | LordBrain | why does updates interfere? |
| 03:00.33 | apm1 | LordBrain, sometimes mirrors don't sync up right |
| 03:00.56 | LordBrain | you mean i should wait a few minutes and then try the update again? |
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| 03:01.16 | apm1 | LordBrain, YES |
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| 03:06.04 | codepython777 | I would like to install debian (unstable perhaps?) - something that is pretty up2date. Any hints on what i can download/install? |
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| 03:06.59 | LordBrain | you can put unstable in a chroot |
| 03:07.45 | LordBrain | i think most people who run unstable probably do it in a chroot |
| 03:07.47 | codepython777 | LordBrain: What cd/dvd do i have to download? |
| 03:08.04 | LordBrain | do you have stable installed? |
| 03:09.46 | codepython777 | netinst? |
| 03:10.00 | codepython777 | LordBrain: bare bone hardware |
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| 03:11.25 | LordBrain | well you can install stable first then, maybe make some extra partitions if you want unstable to be bootable, and then you can figure out how to make a nice chroot |
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| 03:12.49 | LordBrain | there is a middle ground btw, there is testing which is supposed to be fairly up to date without breaking as much |
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| 03:21.02 | iceD[R] | Hello guys, I am brazilian and have a problem with my keyboard, I use english languaage into system but I need configure "cedilla" inside my system, anyone have a sugestion? |
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| 03:24.07 | ariqs | the button to open my dvd drive is disabled at the option screen to scan another dvd |
| 03:24.11 | ariqs | that is so dumb :P |
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| 03:26.03 | denom_ | is there a way to tell debian not to renumber the ethx interface name if the mac address changes? |
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| 03:27.56 | denom_ | ahh, it's a udev rule |
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| 03:30.55 | ariqs | well it was unable to install grub, I booted anyway hoping grub that installed for backtrack worked, but debian is not on the selection |
| 03:31.25 | ariqs | the installation stuff is a total pain in the arse :P |
| 03:32.05 | ariqs | I've installed soo many distros without a problem and I ran into problems left and right with this. I'm aggravated and can't believe this is supposed to be the bug free distro |
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| 03:35.38 | jmspeex | Can someone tell me where the mtpfs and simple-mtpfs packages have gone in wheezy? |
| 03:36.00 | jmspeex | I'm trying to mount my Nexus4 and can't see any tools to do it. Did I miss anything? |
| 03:36.03 | rryoumaa | i am having trouble with a verified wheezy iso. it is not booting. i previously burned rc1 and it booted fine. i'd appreciate help with how to verify the contents of the cd on a mac. (the .iso is fully verified.) |
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| 03:41.23 | caf | jmspeex: mtp-tools looks like it might have potential |
| 03:42.01 | codepython777 | My installer says: select and install software step failed |
| 03:42.05 | codepython777 | any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 03:42.09 | codepython777 | I tried multiple times |
| 03:42.11 | jmspeex | caf: How do you actually mount a filesystem with that? |
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| 03:43.32 | caf | no idea |
| 03:43.55 | caf | package search says that mtpfs is in oldstable and unstable but not stable ( http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=mtpfs ) |
| 03:44.03 | jmspeex | Looking at the only doc I can find about mtp-tools it says I need mtpfs |
| 03:44.20 | jmspeex | why is it not in stable? |
| 03:44.42 | caf | i don't know, but looking at the dependencies the squeeze package would probably work in wheezy |
| 03:45.12 | jmspeex | How do I install an unstable package in stable? |
| 03:45.53 | caf | you don't want to do that, because you don't want to pull in all the dependencies from unstable |
| 03:46.23 | jmspeex | oh squeeze sorry I misread |
| 03:46.28 | jmspeex | anyway, how do I do that? |
| 03:46.49 | caf | if squeeze and wheezy are both in your sources.list then you can just do apt-get install mptfs/squeeze |
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| 03:47.18 | rue_more | mount 192.168.9.12:/files /morfiles/ mount.nfs: Protocol not supported |
| 03:47.23 | caf | alternatively you can download the package directly from the packacge page: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mtpfs |
| 03:47.40 | rue_more | its a problem where the nfs version on the macine trying to mount is wrong |
| 03:47.45 | rue_more | anyone know a solution? |
| 03:47.45 | caf | install the dependencies listed on that page with apt-get, then use dpkg -i to install the deb file you downloaded |
| 03:48.41 | caf | oh wait, i see why it's not in stable - libmtp8 isn't in stable |
| 03:48.52 | caf | so scratch that, sorry |
| 03:49.01 | jmspeex | so? |
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| 03:50.48 | codepython777 | apt-get install gnome -> Following packages have unmet dependencies - freshly installed debian |
| 03:51.05 | codepython777 | any ideas? |
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| 03:51.56 | LLckfan | Can some1 tell me why in Google Chrome it sometimes wll not go to the address I ype in but if I lick a link somewhere it goes to that address with an issue |
| 03:52.32 | caf | you could try downloading and installing the squeeze packages for both libmtp8 and mtpfs |
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| 03:54.27 | ariqs | so installing totally failed me. I manually configured grub to find debian myself, but when I boot to it, it's missing anything but a basic terminal, no gnome, no nothing |
| 03:54.32 | ariqs | so I thought I'd try graphical install |
| 03:54.34 | ariqs | that doesn't work |
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| 03:54.41 | ariqs | "kernel paic - not syncing |
| 03:54.53 | jmspeex | caf: |
| 03:54.55 | jmspeex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.56 | choonming | hey guys anyone here used hetzner? |
| 03:54.56 | ariqs | VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 03:55.19 | choonming | im having problem to determine which drive in my soft raid to replace first http://pastebin.com/1wgDSvcm |
| 03:55.21 | ariqs | why does debian hate me? |
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| 03:55.47 | ariqs | like, nothing works right. It locks my cdrom when it tells me to insert another dvd ffs. It's like trolling me |
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| 03:56.03 | ariqs | how is this the release I waited on ): |
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| 03:56.44 | caf | jmspeex: ahh, i guess that's why it was dropped from stable |
| 03:57.28 | initself | um... |
| 03:58.15 | initself | /dev/mapper/vg0-log 15117312 14590168 0 100% /var/log |
| 03:58.15 | jmspeex | So it means Wheezy just decided to drop all support for recent phones? |
| 03:59.14 | caf | it looks like some kind of unfortunate package version conflict |
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| 04:00.06 | jmspeex | well, what's unfortunate is the decision. I'm not sure what's the point of including a new version of a library if you drop the applications that use it |
| 04:00.59 | caf | it might be worth sending an email to the mtpfs package maintainer (linked on the package page) |
| 04:02.45 | caf | i suspect once the new mtpfs is migrated to testing it will be backported to wheezy-backports |
| 04:03.38 | jmspeex | is speechless |
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| 04:03.55 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 04:04.21 | johnfg | Where's the command on the gnome desktop to add a printer? |
| 04:04.28 | johnfg | with wheezy |
| 04:05.23 | ttyS1 | is there a way to run gdmsetup on wheezy or how should i configure gdm3 |
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| 04:06.07 | johnfg | It's not under Applications/System Tools/Administration |
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| 04:10.12 | ariqs | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.18 | ariqs | probably because, while installing, when the package manager wanted to scan the other cds, it wouldn't let me open my dvd drive and gave me a red screen with errors. I tried it twice, same thing. the stupid software actually locks my dvd drive... |
| 04:10.50 | LLckfan | Can some1 tell me why in Google Chrome it sometimes wll not go to the address I ype in but if I lick a link somewhere it goes to that address with an issue |
| 04:11.37 | ariqs | so I thought I'd do the graphical install instead. first of all, when grub is loading when booting off the cd, I get an error: "prefix is not set". However, the installer loads anyway. when I select graphical install I get "error: couldn't read file" press any key. I press any key and I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unnknown-block(0,0). What do? |
| 04:12.05 | Quix86 | ariqs, what kind of computer are you doing the install on? |
| 04:12.19 | ariqs | my lenovo i5 laptop |
| 04:14.19 | Quix86 | ariqs, I'm no expert but it might be related to a UEFI system if you have that |
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| 04:14.32 | ariqs | I don't, I don't think. At least debian doesn't think I do |
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| 04:14.43 | KernelDog | What is it? |
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| 04:14.45 | ariqs | I don't really know waht boot system is on my main partition, but it came that way with windows 7 |
| 04:15.01 | KernelDog | ariqs: you're a douche! |
| 04:15.14 | ariqs | why? |
| 04:15.15 | Quix86 | lol |
| 04:15.17 | KernelDog | ariqs: sorry |
| 04:15.25 | KernelDog | ariqs: was testing something! |
| 04:15.29 | johnfg | If I want to have names for openldap, kerberos, openafs, dns, etc., then with wheezy, is it still where I need to do /etc/network/interfaces vs. Network manager? |
| 04:15.32 | KernelDog | ariqs: I am really sorry |
| 04:15.36 | KernelDog | ciao |
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| 04:15.57 | ariqs | that was strange. |
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| 04:16.41 | Quix86 | ariqs, the only advice I can give is to go into UEFI/bios and look for anything related to 'secure boot' |
| 04:16.53 | Quix86 | if it is a very new laptop it might have that, and it should be disabled |
| 04:16.53 | ariqs | and turn it off? |
| 04:16.55 | Quix86 | yes |
| 04:16.59 | ariqs | thanks |
| 04:17.13 | Quix86 | otherwise sell the ideapad and get a thinkpad |
| 04:17.31 | Quix86 | though I'm sure there is someone in here that knows how to get that instal going |
| 04:19.22 | ariqs | there is a security section but no passwords are set |
| 04:19.29 | ariqs | UEFI boot is enabled |
| 04:19.44 | johnfg | Will network manager allow me to assign an ip address, like i would in interfaces? |
| 04:19.49 | Quix86 | see if there is some option for bios boot, legacy boot, something like that |
| 04:19.56 | Quix86 | it won't be in the security section, I don't think |
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| 04:20.21 | ariqs | there is USB Legacy |
| 04:20.29 | Quix86 | no it'd be boot reltaed |
| 04:20.31 | Quix86 | related |
| 04:20.34 | LLckfan | Hello |
| 04:20.42 | Quix86 | what was the UEFI boot option? |
| 04:20.47 | LLckfan | Can some1 tell me why in Google Chrome it sometimes wll not go to the address I ype in but if I lick a link somewhere it goes to that address with an issue |
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| 04:21.09 | ariqs | DVD/CDROM |
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| 04:22.10 | LtL | ariqs: this is the best site i know of for what you want. its tricky beware. http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi |
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| 04:23.51 | forbid | did debian remove compiz from its repos? |
| 04:24.39 | themill | forbid: compiz is not in wheezy |
| 04:25.05 | forbid | is there a reason for that? |
| 04:25.05 | ariqs | LtL: but why do I want to do that? I would prefer to not have to. I have grub I installed when installing backtrak manually edited to boot debian. It's just, the debian install is lacking anything but the very basics because the install failed left and right |
| 04:25.24 | ariqs | I just want my install WITH gnome to go smoothly ;P |
| 04:26.13 | ariqs | what does the error mean for why I can't do a graphical install? |
| 04:26.30 | themill | ,bug 677864 |
| 04:26.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/677864 in src:compiz (open): «compiz 0.8 should not release with wheezy»; severity: serious; opened: 2012-06-17; last modified: 2012-08-19. |
| 04:26.46 | themill | forbid: ^^ it's not like there aren't plenty of other window managers out there that do a better job than copmiz |
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| 04:28.09 | ariqs | I just want my shit to work. I don't want to mess around with UEFI unless I have to, and that link acts like I shouldn't have to |
| 04:28.47 | Blue1 | ariqs: just got here what are you trying to do? |
| 04:29.03 | ariqs | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.07 | ariqs | probably because, while installing, when the package manager wanted to scan the other cds, it wouldn't let me open my dvd drive and gave me a red screen with errors. I tried it twice, same thing. the stupid software actually locks my dvd drive... |
| 04:29.16 | ariqs | so I thought I'd do the graphical install instead. first of all, when grub is loading when booting off the cd, I get an error: "prefix is not set". However, the installer loads anyway. when I select graphical install I get "error: couldn't read file" press any key. I press any key and I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unnknown-block(0,0). What do? |
| 04:29.55 | forbid | themill: suggest some? |
| 04:29.57 | LLckfan | Hello |
| 04:29.58 | LLckfan | Can some1 tell me why in Google Chrome it sometimes wll not go to the address I ype in but if I lick a link somewhere it goes to that address with an issue |
| 04:30.17 | Blue1 | ariqs: have you tried running a memory check? |
| 04:30.20 | zpx | anyone know how I can view the colored logs of, say, /var/log/boot, and not see the ^[[36minfo^[[39, etc |
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| 04:30.59 | themill | forbid: kwin, metacity, mutter, muffin, unagi, ... |
| 04:31.02 | ariqs | Blue1: no, but I've never had a stability problem in windows 7 or backtrack... |
| 04:31.55 | Dewio | zpx: cat to a terminal, but in screen or a good terminal program so you can scroll and search etc :P |
| 04:32.09 | Dewio | zpx: I don't claim it's an elegant solution |
| 04:32.14 | stojic | ariqs: did you check your media for errors? |
| 04:32.24 | ariqs | stojic: yes, I verified my copies |
| 04:32.27 | Blue1 | ariqs: i would try a memory check - that (to me) sounds like a media failure somewhere and that is easy to check |
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| 04:32.56 | forbid | themill: which one do you like best? |
| 04:33.01 | ariqs | ok, I'll run memtestx86 but I'm highly skeptical |
| 04:33.08 | ariqs | it's always the same exact place |
| 04:33.13 | zpx | Dewi: id like something that interrupts the color codes and displays it correctly, any ideas? |
| 04:33.35 | zpx | some of the docs suggested less -SR but it doesn't work for me |
| 04:33.44 | themill | forbid: kwin |
| 04:34.22 | forbid | themill: which de do you use? |
| 04:34.31 | zpx | interprets rather |
| 04:34.50 | ariqs | stojic: actually, come to think of it, I did a crc check on the image and compared it to my dvd. I didn't check my image to the one on the site |
| 04:34.54 | Dewi | zpx: if they are terminal control codes a terminal (via screen or not) should do that? |
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| 04:35.56 | zpx | do you happen to run bootlogd? |
| 04:36.15 | Dewi | sorry, that file's empty for me |
| 04:36.47 | zpx | the line looks like - ok ^[[39;49m^[8^[[?25h^[[?0c. |
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| 04:38.38 | ariqs | stojic: my image is good. The only way that could be a problem, I guess, is if my laptops dvd drive fails to read the copy while my desktop, where I verified the copy, succeeds. |
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| 04:38.44 | Dewi | zpx: yep, catting to a terminal should show it |
| 04:38.58 | Dewi | zpx: it has to be a colour-enabled terminal but most would be |
| 04:39.36 | Dewi | I have a base-config.log.1 that "works" although it leaves the terminal very garbled because it's replaying a full-screen aptitude session |
| 04:39.56 | Dewi | a normal log should look okay though |
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| 04:40.19 | ssbr` | compiling with -lclang isn't finding anything, but I installed libclang-dev and /usr/lib/llvm-3.2/lib/libclang.so exists. Is there anything I should do to make this be findable? |
| 04:40.23 | zpx | huh, doesn't work at the console or rxvt |
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| 04:40.51 | Dewi | zpx: just with 'cat /var/log/boot' ? |
| 04:41.40 | zpx | correct, i just upgraded to wheezy from squeeze, and they changed the logs to colorized ones |
| 04:41.56 | ariqs | and, of course, my memory test has found no errors thus far. That's not it |
| 04:42.41 | ariqs | I'll burn the first cd again just for shits and giggles if necessary |
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| 04:43.03 | WorldGenesis | hello :D |
| 04:44.34 | WorldGenesis | i need some help pertaining to suspend/resume on debian xfce wheezy |
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| 04:46.27 | stojic | ariqs: So from what I gather you have installed Wheezy, but without any GUI. You can try booting into it and adding your media to sources.list (see http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#CD-ROM ) and then installing you preferred DE using tasksel (http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel ). |
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| 04:47.24 | stojic | ariqs: This might be the best option if the base system was installed successfully (minus GRUB). You could also fix GRUB later. |
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| 04:48.01 | aarcane | What's the channel for debian kfreebsd? |
| 04:48.21 | iio7 | I have just updated the following 3 packages on Squeeze (only main packages) linux-base linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 linux-libc-dev, now I am unable to ssh into the box, anyone with similar problems? |
| 04:49.25 | stojic | aarcane: It should be #debian-kbsd at irc.oftc.net, not sure whether there is on on freenode. |
| 04:49.48 | stojic | one on freenode * |
| 04:49.55 | aarcane | man, why is so much debian stuff moving to oftc? I'm tired of avoiding oftc :( |
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| 04:52.21 | stojic | aarcane: I have no idea, I'd also prefer it all to be on freenode. But this is mostly for convenience, do you have a particual reason to avoid oftc? |
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| 04:53.05 | ksk | aarcane: signed :p |
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| 04:55.33 | aarcane | stojic, mainly I don't trust oftc. I've used freenode for decades, and am very happy with their quality, support, and policy. I'm not familiar with oftc, so I don't feel the same way. |
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| 04:56.50 | stojic | aarcane: Yeah, I agree fully. I'm trying to find reasons for the move to oftc and it seems it's because "more and more of our discussions have |
| 04:56.53 | stojic | instead been taking place on OFTC" |
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| 04:57.02 | stojic | and "OFTC is also a sister |
| 04:57.05 | stojic | organisation of Debian" .. |
| 04:57.19 | stojic | sorry for the flood, damn paste is being uncooperative |
| 04:57.53 | stojic | So, not trusting one of Debian's many sisters? ;-) |
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| 05:11.44 | rodolfo7 | dpkg |
| 05:11.55 | allure | I mean: mailserver.users to mailserver.virtual_users |
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| 05:33.35 | allure | hi! Getting this error: http://pastebin.com/7LrTPwr9 - and I cant find where to change mailserver.user to mailuserver.virtual_users ... any help? |
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| 06:00.01 | ariqs | probably because, while installing, when the package manager wanted to scan the other cds, it wouldn't let me open my dvd drive and gave me a red screen with errors. I tried it twice, same thing. the stupid software actually locks my dvd drive... |
| 06:00.06 | ariqs | so I thought I'd do the graphical install instead. first of all, when grub is loading when booting off the cd, I get an error: "prefix is not set". However, the installer loads anyway. when I select graphical install I get "error: couldn't read file" press any key. I press any key and I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unnknown-block(0,0). What do? |
| 06:00.21 | LLckfan | Can some1 tell me why in Google Chrome it sometimes will not go to the address I type in but if I click a link somewhere it goes to that address with an issue |
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| 06:06.47 | moof2 | "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded" <-- how to find out which package that is? |
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| 06:07.18 | darthanubis | moof2, open synaptic |
| 06:07.34 | moof2 | no x on that machine yet |
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| 06:08.01 | moof2 | in the process of upgrading from lenny (eventually) to wheez |
| 06:08.13 | moof2 | it's at squeeze now |
| 06:08.18 | darthanubis | aptitude |
| 06:09.16 | moof2 | cool, thanks... the package didn't seem of interest |
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| 06:10.20 | scootypuff | how to set up a script to run on boot as root? |
| 06:10.55 | moof2 | it just runs once on boot? nothing to clean up on shutdown? |
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| 06:11.26 | moof2 | if so you can call it from /etc/rc.local |
| 06:13.04 | scootypuff | got it. thanks |
| 06:13.34 | themill | moof2: "aptitude search ~U" not upgraded packages would normally be because of a hold or a forbid-version or perhaps because you need a dist-upgrade rather than just an upgrade. |
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| 06:14.08 | moof2 | jes done did the dist-upgrade |
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| 06:14.34 | moof2 | the package is some serial thing, and I don't use the legacy serial stuff at all |
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| 06:15.20 | moof2 | anyway thanks for the background |
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| 06:16.38 | moof2 | this is a machine that stopped working a few years ago... finally bit the bullet, bought a new power supply (risky: the old one could have been still good, and then it would have been the mobo... but, the power supply did fix the problem) |
| 06:17.00 | moof2 | when I finally got it to boot, I discovered it was a lenny |
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| 06:17.53 | allure | please help me... http://pastebin.com/7LrTPwr9 |
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| 06:17.59 | allure | dovecot issues |
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| 06:18.09 | allure | 3:20am... classes @ 8:20 :( |
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| 06:18.34 | moof2 | arent you in finals? |
| 06:18.53 | allure | moof2, nope, brazil... |
| 06:19.06 | notjimcarrey | with dual monitors in xfce, is it possible to make notifications (like when someone calls you on skype) to shop up only on the primary monitor? |
| 06:19.45 | moof2 | heh :) finals is not a place, it's a pressureful state of mind :) also maybe there is a #dovecot who may have additional info for you |
| 06:20.14 | allure | moof2, every1 sleeping there :( |
| 06:20.44 | moof2 | so you're not taking final exams at your school? |
| 06:20.48 | initself | can you somehow edit proc/cmdline from the console? |
| 06:20.51 | allure | moof: not yet |
| 06:21.20 | initself | i'm looking at initramfs |
| 06:21.25 | initself | am i barking up the wrong tree? |
| 06:22.04 | petn-randall | initself: /etc/default/grub |
| 06:22.09 | allure | Im going to cry >< |
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| 06:22.34 | petn-randall | initself: You can change the kernel command line there. |
| 06:23.12 | moof2 | allure. what is the pressure to fix the dovecot thing now? don't you want to sleep? :) |
| 06:23.26 | petn-randall | allure: The error says "Table 'mailserver.users' doesn't exist". Have you checked that yet? |
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| 06:23.29 | allure | moof2, its for a client main email server |
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| 06:23.51 | superlinux-hp | hi.. |
| 06:23.59 | allure | petn-randall, I've renamed mailserver.virtual_users to mailserver.users, then it says cant find mailserver.virtual_users |
| 06:24.09 | moof2 | allure, are you just setting this up? |
| 06:24.23 | allure | moof2, I apt-get dist-upgrad'ed it and it broke |
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| 06:24.33 | moof2 | oh ok |
| 06:24.59 | moof2 | yeah, I used to have x... and then I dist-upgraded... |
| 06:25.01 | allure | postfix also broke, btw... |
| 06:25.45 | moof2 | allure, so this is a professional job? therefore you must have backups... |
| 06:25.51 | allure | I might have to purge it all and reinstall the packages |
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| 06:26.09 | allure | moof2, this server was running for 3 years without any1 touching it... it is a heritage |
| 06:26.18 | superlinux-hp | where should I add { echo "option timeout:1" >>/etc/resolv.conf } after network manager puts the IP and DNS settings for my wireless card? |
| 06:26.32 | moof2 | nothing you just said suggests you don't have backups... |
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| 06:27.01 | allure | there might be backups, but I dont know about it... I just got the server in my hands |
| 06:27.20 | allure | the backups would not help me now, 3:30am :) |
| 06:27.44 | allure | Ill have to skip a really important class tomorrow on my msc :( |
| 06:28.05 | moof2 | this client is paying? |
| 06:28.24 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: you could use a tool like resolvconf to manage that and configure it correctly. You could also add that to a post-up script in your interfaces file |
| 06:28.37 | moof2 | if yes, missing the class would be a reasonable choice, but only as a last resort |
| 06:28.46 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: oh you are using network manager, not sure how to configure post-up scripts for that. I use my interfaes file |
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| 06:29.09 | moof2 | if tables are missing, this sounds like it's going to take some time to straighten out |
| 06:29.21 | superlinux-hp | somiaj, then how it would be using resolvconf? |
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| 06:29.42 | allure | there are no tables missing, its just that it is searching for the wrong ones |
| 06:29.54 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: resolvconf is a program that works with network manager, dhcp, and other things to control the resolv.conf file and not let conflicting programs mess with it. |
| 06:29.54 | moof2 | and as you just found out the hard way, the moral to this story is NEVER touch production servers for ANY reason without testing extensively |
| 06:30.16 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: I have never had to use it for such a purpose, but that is what it is supose to do. manage your resolv.conf file for you |
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| 06:30.27 | allure | yeah =/ |
| 06:30.29 | moof2 | backing the server up before testing would have saved you some sleep hours |
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| 06:30.48 | moof2 | err, sorry, before dist-upgrading |
| 06:31.02 | allure | but this is debian "stable" |
| 06:31.03 | themill | superlinux-hp: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail |
| 06:31.06 | allure | god damnit :/ |
| 06:31.15 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 06:31.33 | allure | ok man...Ill see what I can do here... |
| 06:31.36 | themill | superlinux-hp: (network-manager will use resolvconf for you) |
| 06:31.48 | allure | if any1 got other suggestions, say my nickname, please |
| 06:32.46 | moof2 | for one, sorry this happened to you... to all others who are thinking it might be a good idea to dist-upgrade, it MIGHT NOT BE |
| 06:33.10 | allure | ty |
| 06:33.17 | themill | allure: dist-upgrade from what to what? |
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| 06:33.30 | allure | themill, debian6 to 7 |
| 06:33.47 | allure | havent even changed sources.list... just dist-upgrade'd |
| 06:33.49 | moof2 | which is exactly what I'm about to do... |
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| 06:34.08 | moof2 | so you went from 6 to newer 6? |
| 06:34.09 | themill | allure: err... you should have to change your sources.list to dist-upgrade (putting "stable" in there is never a good idea). |
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| 06:34.20 | b0lt | is there a standard tool to pipe stuff through that reads lines and outputs quoted shell arguments? i.e. converting "a\nb c\nd" to a "b c" d? |
| 06:34.49 | b0lt | would be useful for various neat oneliners |
| 06:34.51 | allure | themill, who would say... :) |
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| 06:35.24 | moof2 | you were running debian-6 when you first put the machine up? |
| 06:35.31 | allure | y |
| 06:36.48 | moof2 | and you're probably running 7 now... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:37.57 | allure | y |
| 06:38.25 | anddam | and your 'y' key works |
| 06:38.39 | moof2 | anddam: y? |
| 06:38.39 | allure | y |
| 06:38.48 | anddam | see? |
| 06:38.52 | allure | c |
| 06:38.58 | moof2 | yc? |
| 06:39.13 | allure | ic |
| 06:39.44 | petn-randall | allure: users and virtual_users are two different things |
| 06:39.54 | moof2 | ok, so sometimes I have to run dist-upgrade a few times, I know I can stop when it doesn't do anything |
| 06:40.22 | allure | petn-randall, what do you mean? |
| 06:40.41 | petn-randall | allure: Renaming one into the other will only break things more. |
| 06:40.43 | moof2 | you probably need both tables |
| 06:41.07 | allure | petn-randall, hmm but I have no users, only virtual_users on the database |
| 06:41.11 | somiaj | b0lt: I don't follow what you mean. why would you have \n characters in one-liners. (: |
| 06:41.24 | petn-randall | allure: Then just create an empty table. |
| 06:41.42 | petn-randall | b0lt: \n doesn't turn into a " ... :) |
| 06:41.42 | somiaj | b0lt: are you saying you have a file/list of options you want to send to a command? |
| 06:41.51 | moof2 | obviously the app is trying to access the table you renamed |
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| 06:42.16 | allure | petn-randall, would try it if I hadnt purged postfix and dovecot to reinstall........................... :/ |
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| 06:42.23 | allure | I did a backup for the confs first, tho |
| 06:42.48 | themill | !dovecot wheezy |
| 06:42.49 | dpkg | The upgrade from squeeze to wheezy takes you from Dovecot 1.2 to 2.1. This is a big upgrade that requires manual intervention. For further details are available in the /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz in wheezy's dovecot-core package and at http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Upgrading/2.0 and http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Upgrading/2.1 |
| 06:43.09 | allure | themill, oh wow... |
| 06:43.20 | allure | themill, thank you! |
| 06:43.41 | somiaj | allure: did you read the release notes before upgrading. (: |
| 06:43.55 | themill | somiaj: I'm not sure that made it into the release notes, unfortunately |
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| 06:44.07 | stojic | b0lt: you can use xargs with '\n' as delimiter (default delimiter is whitespace) |
| 06:44.21 | allure | I did read it.................. |
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| 06:44.31 | somiaj | themill: do they not patch the notes as new things apear? |
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| 06:44.49 | somiaj | themill: yea I've seen this issue hit a few already, hopefully I'll rember the factoid if it appears again |
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| 06:45.20 | moof2 | unfortunately it could hit after the fact like in this case |
| 06:45.36 | petn-randall | I'm pretty sure it's documented in the NEWS file of dovecot. |
| 06:45.37 | themill | ,bug release-notes dovecot |
| 06:45.56 | themill | ,bug 706217 |
| 06:45.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/706217 in release-notes (open, moreinfo, wheezy): «release-notes: mention manual upgrade path for dovecot»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-04-26; last modified: 2013-05-01. |
| 06:45.59 | themill | stupid bot |
| 06:46.20 | allure | I am having a hard time today... now postfix wont install http://pastebin.com/ReUWXYaJ |
| 06:46.21 | themill | somiaj: ^^ there's an open bug asking for someone who actually knows what is going on and what has to be done to write a patch for the release notes |
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| 06:46.41 | themill | somiaj: (I'm not in a position to do so -- I just distilled everything I know about this problem into that factoid) |
| 06:47.06 | petn-randall | allure: You left away the most important part, which command you used. |
| 06:47.18 | allure | petn-randall, apt-get install postfix |
| 06:47.28 | allure | sorry |
| 06:47.41 | moof2 | thinks allure is learning a lot of things the hard way right now... |
| 06:48.08 | petn-randall | allure: I bet as you deinstalled it, a different MTA was installed, which is colliding with postfix right now. |
| 06:48.10 | themill | allure: I predict there were other things in apt's output |
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| 06:48.33 | moof2 | anyway, nite all. |
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| 06:48.45 | allure | petn-randall, I purged it before to start from scratch |
| 06:48.49 | allure | petn-randall, same with dovecot |
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| 06:49.12 | allure | themill, actually, that was the interesting part... |
| 06:49.56 | apm1 | nvm |
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| 06:50.51 | allure | petn-randall & themill, I've managed to fix it.. |
| 06:51.00 | allure | the postfix install, I mean |
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| 06:51.08 | petn-randall | allure: Always paste the full output. Chances are other people think something's interesting/important that you don't ... |
| 06:51.25 | allure | petn-randall, np, thank you |
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| 07:04.16 | allure | petn-randall, if I purge dovecot, delete /etc/dovecot and then reinstall, why wont it get created once again? |
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| 07:18.08 | moof2 | almost forgot... if I just now dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze (and repeating the dist-upgrade does nothing), can I go right on to wheezy? |
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| 07:19.09 | zeroxia | Hi, dpkg -S /usr/bin/perror shows "mysql-client-5.1: /usr/bin/perror". |
| 07:19.24 | zeroxia | Isn't "perror" a basic command? |
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| 07:19.52 | moof2 | apparantly not |
| 07:19.53 | themill | zeroxia: perhaps you want "errno" from moreutils |
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| 07:21.16 | themill | (perror(3) is a standard C function from stdio but perror(1) is not as standard as people seem to think) |
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| 07:25.55 | zeroxia | So there is an "errno" command... I wrote one myself... |
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| 07:29.12 | zeroxia | I can't find `errno' command in package 'moreutils'. |
| 07:30.41 | moof2 | , file errno |
| 07:30.46 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 07:30.47 | judd | Search for errno in wheezy/i386: moreutils: usr/bin/errno; libbobcat-dev: usr/include/bobcat/errno; libstlport4.6-dev: usr/include/stlport/cerrno; libstdc++6-4.7-dev: usr/include/c++/4.7/cerrno; libstdc++6-4.6-dev: usr/include/c++/4.6/cerrno; scheme9: usr/lib/s9fes/help/sys_errno; libstdc++6-4.4-dev: usr/include/c++/4.4/cerrno; apcalc-common: usr/share/calc/help/errno; gnulib: |
| 07:30.48 | judd | usr/share/gnulib/modules/errno, usr/share/gnulib/modules/rmdir-errno; libboost1.49-dev: usr/include/boost/compatibility/cpp_c_headers/cerrno; libroot-core5.34: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/root5.34/cint/include/cerrno; mingw32: usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/4.2.1-sjlj/include/c++/cerrno |
| 07:31.04 | moof2 | so it's in moreutils |
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| 07:32.16 | jelly-home | moof2: if you rebooted to the squeeze kernel during the process, yeah, it should be possible to go to wheezy next |
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| 07:32.49 | jelly-home | moof2: got a new set of release notes to read before plunging in! |
| 07:33.02 | themill | zeroxia: which debian release are you running? /usr/bin/errno was new with wheezy. |
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| 07:33.14 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 07:33.23 | moof2 | ok, cool... forgot to consider rebooting |
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| 07:34.29 | LLckfan | Can some1 tell me why in Google Chrome it sometimes will not go to the address I type in but if I click a link somewhere it goes to that address without an issue |
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| 07:35.20 | qdb | hello. how to check http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS.sign ? |
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| 07:38.46 | rjsalts | qdb: http://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 07:39.56 | qdb | rjsalts, thank you |
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| 07:42.12 | petn-randall | LLckfan: Can you give an example where this bug shows? |
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| 07:42.34 | rjsalts | qdb: gpg --verify MD5SUMS.sign once you have imported the keys to your keychain and download the MD5SUMS.sign and MD5SUMS files |
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| 07:44.31 | truexfan81 | what bot is dpkg based on? |
| 07:45.19 | truexfan81 | dpkg: bite me |
| 07:45.19 | dpkg | takes a big bite out of truexfan81's jugular vein |
| 07:45.25 | truexfan81 | funny^ |
| 07:45.33 | truexfan81 | its the vampire bot |
| 07:45.57 | moof2 | jelly-home, hi... I run 2.6.32-5-amd64 right now, that;'s the squeeze kernel? |
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| 07:47.42 | moof2 | I thought vampires were bats, not bots... |
| 07:48.27 | truexfan81 | punches dpkg |
| 07:48.40 | truexfan81 | wow no retort for that one? |
| 07:49.12 | jelly-home | moof2: yes |
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| 07:49.53 | jelly-home | truexfan81: /msg dpkg what are you |
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| 07:50.56 | truexfan81 | lol wut? ok i'll try that 2nd one just to see what it says |
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| 07:53.36 | moof2 | jelly-home, should I go with (and boot into) the backport 3.2 kernel before dist-upgrading |
| 07:53.41 | moof2 | ? |
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| 07:54.49 | moof2 | or let the dist-upgrade do everything? |
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| 08:20.31 | petn-randall | moof2: You don't need to install a backport kernel to upgrade |
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| 08:20.45 | petn-randall | moof2: Just do the dist-upgrade, then reboot into the new kernel after that. |
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| 08:21.57 | moof2 | I tried the bpo kernel, it needs something as it's panicked... I'll try booting the earlier kernel |
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| 08:25.24 | delight | what is the right place to configure debian to not start into graphical mode … just console / network would be fine … basically setting the default runlevel/init mode … wheezy … looked into /etc/inittab but there it states id:2:initdefault: |
| 08:25.37 | delight | is run level 2 graphical interface ? |
| 08:26.04 | delight | do i simply disable kdm instead ? |
| 08:26.17 | moof2 | by defajult 2345 are the same |
| 08:26.27 | moof2 | so you could alter one of those |
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| 08:26.49 | delight | moof2: i see … yes … i understand … fitting the services as needed in the run level and setting it as default |
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| 08:27.13 | moof2 | or not, depending what you want |
| 08:27.17 | delight | that way i can also easily switch between "console only" -runlevel and "graph" - run level ;) |
| 08:27.30 | Timmy | how can I find out in which partition I have installed debian from a live disc? |
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| 08:28.02 | moof2 | try df, try mount, look over the output |
| 08:28.05 | delight | moof2: but setting the default run level is still done in /etc/inittab correct ? |
| 08:28.24 | moof2 | there are new inits in town... |
| 08:28.38 | moof2 | you're right for the older sysvinit |
| 08:28.52 | delight | hmmm ... |
| 08:29.04 | delight | i have a fresh debian wheezy installation |
| 08:29.04 | moof2 | so there is something to explore there |
| 08:29.11 | Timmy | moof2: there isn't any routine command to get the number of the partition? |
| 08:29.31 | moof2 | I gave em to you! |
| 08:29.39 | delight | Timmy: frisk -l <<< as root user |
| 08:29.46 | delight | fdisk |
| 08:29.50 | moof2 | have you looked over the output yet? |
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| 08:30.02 | delight | is another option to see all part ions … even the ones that ain't mounted |
| 08:30.11 | moof2 | do you have debian running now? |
| 08:30.15 | delight | df gives you infos about all mounted partition |
| 08:30.18 | moof2 | for that, fdisk |
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| 08:30.56 | Timmy | moof2: yes, I know these things, I'm going to write a document about repairing grub for noobs so Im looking for a routine command which can help them find the root partition |
| 08:31.01 | moof2 | if you're running the debian you installed, then run mount or df, that should show you about the inst6alled debhian |
| 08:31.19 | delight | moof2: so is sysvinit the default in wheezy or is it a mix with other init systems ? |
| 08:31.57 | moof2 | delight, dunno, I'm about to upgrade to wheezy noe |
| 08:32.24 | delight | moof2: i see thnx so far :) |
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| 08:32.46 | delight | Timmy: so you best of with df and mount as moof2 mentioned |
| 08:32.58 | delight | both show you the mount points |
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| 08:34.35 | moof2 | there's this thing, insserv, I'm not sure whether it's an init replacement or part of one... basically it has to do with starting and stopping services, and it reads some commented lines it considers metadata for each service |
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| 08:35.49 | moof2 | as far as specifying the default runlevel, you already know for the older init |
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| 08:36.39 | j0n3 | I want to trigger a script using gsettings monitor key. gsettings monitor just output the new key value on change. Any approach to make some kind of background process for triggering a script on change detection? thank you! |
| 08:36.52 | delight | Timmy: maybe tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 can help a user |
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| 08:37.07 | delight | you can get the volume name and the last mounted on |
| 08:37.16 | delight | that can be very helpful |
| 08:37.42 | delight | moof2: alright i'll give it a shot :) |
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| 08:39.19 | moof2 | ok I got this video: 1002:791e |
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| 08:39.44 | moof2 | ,pciid 1002:791e |
| 08:39.46 | judd | [1002:791e] is 'RS690 [Radeon X1200]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:791e and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 08:40.11 | kikokos | Hi |
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| 08:41.36 | kikokos | Could someone explain me what to do in the situation when application is somehow changing locale? I turn on the computer I've got locale polish keyboard, then I turn on tkremind and keyboard suddenly switch in to eng. |
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| 08:43.41 | moof2 | wait, got it... |
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| 08:46.11 | j0n3 | answering myself: i've got it: gsettings monitor key | while read line; do; stuff; done; |
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| 08:47.08 | checka | morn |
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| 08:47.55 | checka | is it possible to set an simple sh script in init.d with update-rc.d as late as possible |
| 08:48.23 | checka | i try to autorun autossh at boot time |
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| 08:48.29 | checka | or better at end of boot |
| 08:49.07 | checka | i do get no errors on my script but it just wont execute when added with update-rc.d autossh.sh defaults |
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| 08:52.39 | bluesky | checka: do you really want 'defaults'? That creates start/stop in run levels 2..5, I think you want something more custom. |
| 08:55.58 | checka | well thats true bluesky my script does not contain any start / stop behavior |
| 08:56.25 | checka | just 2 commands for my terminal that should be automatically executed |
| 08:56.50 | checka | the strange thing on here is the second command executes correctly but the first one does simply nothing |
| 08:57.07 | checka | what ways else do i have to execute a command at startup ? |
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| 09:00.10 | milligan | I'm looking to remove some colors from an image, using console. Can i.e Imagemagik do that? If not, any other applications that can? |
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| 09:03.19 | bluesky | checka: so your .sh program runs, and the 2nd command runs OK, but the first command doesn't? Is it possible something hasn't 'come up' yet at that point in the boot? Could you put a 'sleep' command in and background the process? |
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| 09:14.05 | qdb | hello . i sit in ubuntu and have downloaded debian 7 . i think md5sum sign file , near iso files , is quite useless . right ? because i cannot verify it. i need some trusted keys to verify it. just checking the md5sums through https would be easier , is not it? is it possible ? (to verify the sign file , i download a key through http . then i check with. and gpg says that it is not trusted ... but i have verified its (the public key's) fingerprint. but again t |
| 09:14.05 | qdb | hrough http.) |
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| 09:17.30 | qdb | i verified burned cd with md5sum -c md5sum.txt , it is completed, but i see only last files, OK, but was there some other before ? it should say some info. |
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| 09:23.18 | jargon | does anybody know how to get flash working with chromium? i have flashplugin-nonfree installed but there's nothing in my /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ except pubkey.asc |
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| 09:25.18 | babilen | jargon: Could you run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? Also check the contents on that directory afterwards. |
| 09:25.52 | jargon | ok |
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| 09:27.08 | IT_SERVER | how to create a webserver to debian |
| 09:27.42 | moof2 | what server you want to use? there's a bunch |
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| 09:28.00 | IT_SERVER | webserver apache |
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| 09:28.21 | moof2 | a good start is to install apache2 |
| 09:28.37 | IT_SERVER | basically have tons of videos |
| 09:29.24 | IT_SERVER | http://kaptest.com/ like this |
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| 09:29.43 | jargon | babilen: aaah. it's working now. it downloaded the flash and i symlinked from /usr/lib/chromium/plugins/. Thanks! |
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| 09:30.50 | babilen | jargon: You mean you ran the installation script I mentioned above? Why did you have to symlink anything yourself? |
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| 09:32.17 | jargon | babilen: i don't know. there was nothing in /usr/lib/chromium/plugins/ that said flash. |
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| 09:33.02 | babilen | jargon: I have nothing in there too and can use the flashplugin just fine in Chromium -- Did the command I gave you above download the flashplugin? |
| 09:33.08 | babilen | May I see it's output? |
| 09:33.29 | franco00 | hi debianers: my caps lock led does not work while in tty (linux term, UTF8). I am asking you: is this the same problem of this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514464 ? (if so, I won't open a new one) |
| 09:33.56 | babilen | jargon: In fact chromium picks up the plugin in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 09:34.05 | jargon | babilen: oh. u're right. i removed the symlink and it still works. i should have checked first |
| 09:34.43 | babilen | jargon: So, the command I mentioned above downloaded the plugin (it is in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ now) and you simply assumed that you have to symlink it yourself? |
| 09:35.03 | babilen | jargon: Sorry, it is a bit hard to keep track of what you have done without seeing any actual output and commands. |
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| 09:35.45 | jargon | babilen: yeah that's what i assumed. let me paste it |
| 09:35.58 | babilen | merci :) |
| 09:36.25 | jargon | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/4294/ |
| 09:38.41 | babilen | jargon: Yeah, that looks about right. The only remaining mystery is: "How did you manage to have flashplugin-nonfree installed and no plugin in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/?" -- Given that we solved the problem I would be willing to give this oen a pass and simply continue with our, yet unspoiled and fresh, day ;) |
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| 09:40.27 | jargon | babilen: i second the motion! |
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| 09:47.38 | darkapp | hey everyone |
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| 09:48.18 | soulz | I'm having some problems installing multiarch for libgl1-mesa-dev. I'm on a 64bit Debian Wheezy. If I do 'sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev' I can compile 64bit just fine but if I try to also install 'sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386' so I can also compile 32bit it uninstalls the 64bit version. Does anyone know how to solve that? |
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| 09:49.30 | Tinned_Tuna | hello, I'm running Debian 6, and I've got the following issue: http://pastebin.com/tN6y45R7 |
| 09:49.52 | Tinned_Tuna | Basically, apt is complaining about keys, but it looks like there are valid keys in apt-key's list |
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| 09:50.26 | moof2 | try installing debian-archive-keyring then run aptitude update |
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| 09:51.07 | Tinned_Tuna | Debian Archive Keying is already at the newest version |
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| 09:51.37 | Tinned_Tuna | moof2: could you confirm that I have the correct keyIDs in my apt-keys list please? I |
| 09:52.43 | moof2 | I don't know which are which |
| 09:53.10 | Tinned_Tuna | moof2: could you pastebin your apt-keys list please? |
| 09:53.27 | Tinned_Tuna | (assuming you're on debian 6 :-p) |
| 09:53.29 | moof2 | so you did run aptitude update (recently)? |
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| 09:54.51 | Tinned_Tuna | I just re-ran it to be sure -- it seems fine |
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| 09:55.28 | moof2 | so aptitude update does not complain about missing keys? |
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| 09:56.35 | Tinned_Tuna | nope |
| 09:57.31 | Tinned_Tuna | Although, I can't remember the last time i ran an update, it just so happened that my box didn't find any updates at the time it was run just now |
| 09:58.16 | Orbitrix | i updated from Debian 6 to 7 with no problems |
| 09:58.23 | Orbitrix | first time a dist-upgrade has ever worked for me |
| 09:58.25 | Orbitrix | without being a nightmare |
| 09:58.30 | moof2 | http://paste.debian.net/4297/ |
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| 09:58.40 | darkapp | hey everyone, i want to make the switch from mint to debian |
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| 09:58.51 | darkapp | anyone have any suggestions for distros |
| 09:58.51 | Orbitrix | what'd mint ever do to you :(? |
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| 09:59.05 | Orbitrix | y u h8 mint? |
| 09:59.07 | darkapp | lol Orbitrix |
| 09:59.12 | moof2 | darkapp, think about backing up first |
| 09:59.15 | darkapp | i dont hate it, i love it |
| 09:59.18 | Orbitrix | o |
| 09:59.24 | Orbitrix | just switching for the lulz then? |
| 09:59.38 | darkapp | moof2: waiting till my external harddrive comes in the mail, to get started |
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| 09:59.55 | darkapp | Orbitrix: its more to learn more about linux |
| 10:00.00 | moof2 | oh, so you'd install onto the new drive? |
| 10:00.01 | darkapp | knowledge about all distros |
| 10:00.06 | Orbitrix | ah nice, cary on then |
| 10:00.10 | darkapp | moof2: no |
| 10:00.16 | darkapp | just ned it for back up purposes |
| 10:00.17 | Orbitrix | i'm rusty on my Redhat/centos |
| 10:00.20 | Orbitrix | i should run a VM |
| 10:00.29 | Tinned_Tuna | darkapp: I learned more about *nix in a month or so of using Open and FreeBSD than I did using Linux for 7 years :-p |
| 10:00.30 | Orbitrix | make sure i'm familiar with their package distro system |
| 10:00.50 | moof2 | if your rusty, you could need a tetanus shot... |
| 10:01.24 | darkapp | Tinned_Tuna: i dont know know what nix, Open, or freebsd means :p |
| 10:01.29 | darkapp | im new to linux |
| 10:01.37 | darkapp | but i learn quick :) |
| 10:02.07 | Orbitrix | if you havent considered it though, thats one thing i would recomend: Virtualization |
| 10:02.10 | Orbitrix | like Virtual Box |
| 10:02.13 | moof2 | decides to recommend full backups a bit stronger than before :) |
| 10:02.17 | Orbitrix | very easy to switch around and play with different Distros |
| 10:02.18 | Orbitrix | with no hastle |
| 10:02.19 | Tinned_Tuna | darkapp: *nix is almost anything derived from unix, OpenBSD and FreeBSD are two systems which are very, very different to Linux, but still a unix derivative :-) |
| 10:02.26 | Orbitrix | no formatting no deailng with grub or boot records or dual booting |
| 10:02.39 | Tinned_Tuna | but yes, I agree with moof2 BACKUPS |
| 10:02.53 | Orbitrix | just load up Debian in VirtualBox on Mint |
| 10:02.55 | babilen | darkapp: Well, you are in #debian and shouldn't come as a surprise that we recommend Debian. Learn how to install it by asking out bot about <install debian>, read the <installation guide> and use <firmware images> if you have a working internet connection. (e.g. "/msg dpkg install debian") |
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| 10:03.22 | darkapp | babilen: arent there multiple "flavors" of debian |
| 10:03.45 | darkapp | like for specific purposes, i hear good things about using it as a day to day os |
| 10:03.57 | moof2 | and a good thing to want about backups... is the knowledge of how to restore from the backups |
| 10:03.58 | darkapp | and i figure thats the best way to really learn |
| 10:04.00 | babilen | darkapp: I am not sure what you are referring to -- You might think of stable, testing and unstable though. Does that sound familiar? |
| 10:04.14 | darkapp | no like ubuntu has mint |
| 10:04.14 | Orbitrix | doesnt debian have a Server version and Desktop version or no? |
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| 10:04.22 | darkapp | and multipl multiple other distros |
| 10:04.24 | moof2 | no |
| 10:04.25 | Orbitrix | ubuntu is based off debian |
| 10:04.32 | Tinned_Tuna | it's more of a family tree |
| 10:04.39 | darkapp | i know one debian is crunchbag |
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| 10:04.49 | moof2 | it's just what you want to install on your debian that makes it either more of a server or more of a client |
| 10:04.49 | babilen | darkapp: Well, there are many many distributions that are based on Debian. Ubuntu is one of them, but in here we support "pure" Debian .. The base of them all. |
| 10:04.58 | darkapp | i see lol |
| 10:05.16 | darkapp | so just debian is the best you think, for a day to day os? |
| 10:05.20 | babilen | darkapp: You can run Debian just fine on its own. And using it right now is a good idea as we've just released a new version. |
| 10:05.29 | darkapp | awesome |
| 10:05.34 | darkapp | send me a link? |
| 10:05.38 | babilen | darkapp: I chose Debian several years ago and never regretted my choice. |
| 10:05.40 | moof2 | I have no idea what is the best... or what "best" is |
| 10:05.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell darkapp -about install debian |
| 10:05.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell darkapp -about firmware images |
| 10:06.03 | darkapp | got it |
| 10:06.19 | owa | i think pure debian is more difficult for a beginner than other debian based distros... |
| 10:06.20 | darkapp | btw just switched to linux 8 weeks ago, best choice i ever made |
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| 10:06.46 | darkapp | owa: wat do u think is a good starter debian? |
| 10:06.59 | babilen | darkapp: But then, everyone looks for something else in an operating system. I can assure you that Debian is a sound choice and that it, in combination with http://backports.debian.org/ and http://mozilla.debian.net/ will be a good base for work. |
| 10:07.06 | moof2 | darkapp, how cool is that, to make a decision you like |
| 10:07.25 | darkapp | lol |
| 10:07.30 | darkapp | i <3 linux |
| 10:07.36 | owa | well i personally use pure debain for my servers, but on my desktop i run mint. mint and ubuntu have the advantage that they support a lot out of the box |
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| 10:07.58 | darkapp | was so difficult to actually mae the choice to try it, and then one week of hell getting used to it |
| 10:08.01 | babilen | darkapp: If you are new to linux in general I would also recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ which is an excellent book on Debian and the tutorials linked in "/msg dpkg general cli tutorial" (that's an IRC command that sends a private message to our bot, dpkg) |
| 10:08.16 | owa | great book idd |
| 10:08.18 | moof2 | my debian supports at least one lot! |
| 10:08.23 | darkapp | but now, i enjoy being able to do important things, without multiple crashes an hour |
| 10:08.36 | colo-work | hmm, I know dpkg has a factoid about how to properly clone a debian installation to a new one (query manually installed packages from aptitude), but I can't figure out how to make it tell me about it ;) can anyone give me a hint? |
| 10:08.42 | darkapp | babilen: thanx for all the help |
| 10:08.56 | darkapp | saving all the links, definitely gonna check them out in a bit |
| 10:08.58 | Orbitrix | i'm still on ubuntu, but have used Debian for webservers for a decade. I'm still hesitant to use Debian as my desktop workstation though. Is it pretty easy to get going with proprietary binary graphics drivers these days? |
| 10:09.06 | darkapp | brb guys |
| 10:09.15 | babilen | darkapp: Do you have any preference regarding Desktop Environments? (see http://www.gnome.org http://www.xfce.org http://www.lxde.org and http://www.kde.org for some) -- Debian installs Gnome 3 by default and it is no problem to install others later though. |
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| 10:09.23 | Orbitrix | ubuntu 'just works', does debian 'just work' with propreitary graphics drivers now? |
| 10:09.30 | franco00 | hello: I am running wheezy, and one of the package I would like to install (scim-anthy) is not available (but is available in oldstable, testing, unstable). What's the 'best' (i.e. less problematic) version to choose? sid? testing? oldstable? |
| 10:09.58 | Tinned_Tuna | babilen: yes, various people have various preferences ;-) |
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| 10:11.11 | babilen | franco00: I would actually recommend to use ibus and ibus-mozc specifically ... |
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| 10:11.29 | babilen | franco00: If you want a decent and well integrated japanese input method that is |
| 10:11.48 | franco00 | :) I do, babilen |
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| 10:12.33 | ovidiu__c | hello all, I want to install Debian Wheezy along openSuSE and Windows. It's possible to install the debian without bootloader and modify the grub from opensuse? |
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| 10:13.58 | Tinned_Tuna | ovidiu__c: usually it will be possible, but I don't personally know specifics |
| 10:14.50 | Tinned_Tuna | your most likely port of call would be the OpenSuSE documentation or the GRUB documentation for the version of GRUB that OpenSuSE has installed |
| 10:15.13 | ovidiu__c | I know that, but will debian destroy the boot loader? |
| 10:15.14 | babilen | franco00: Okay, I'd recommend installing ibus-mozc then. You also want im-config and to run "im-config" after installing both. Also add http://paste.debian.net/4305/ to, say, ~/.bashrc |
| 10:16.11 | Tinned_Tuna | If, during the install, Debian doesn't make any reference to having found other OSs and configuring GRUB to boot them, I'd back out of that part of the install. |
| 10:16.31 | Tinned_Tuna | but like I say, I'm not well versed in the area, it's likely that someone else in here has better knowledge of it than I |
| 10:16.47 | Tinned_Tuna | Oh, and get good backups before doing anything with your bootloader or partitions |
| 10:16.55 | franco00 | will do babilen ! |
| 10:17.01 | Tinned_Tuna | </ObviousButNecessaryHealthWarning> |
| 10:17.10 | ovidiu__c | thnx Tinned_Tuna I will wait for another opinion |
| 10:17.20 | babilen | ovidiu__c: You can skip the boot loader installation in the expert install ... You obviously have to configure it in OpenSUSE then before you can actually boot into Debian. |
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| 10:17.35 | ovidiu__c | babilen: thanx |
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| 10:23.12 | babilen | franco00: I might have forgotten something, but that lets me switch to Japanese input with ctrl-space -- 素晴らしい！ |
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| 10:23.58 | Tinned_Tuna | I really should get my box setup to accept full unicode... |
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| 10:24.11 | Tinned_Tuna | the lack of it does impede learning a language somewhat. |
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| 10:28.11 | darkapp | back |
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| 10:28.28 | darkapp | <babilen> darkapp: Do you have any preference regarding Desktop Environments? (see http://www.gnome.org http://www.xfce.org http://www.lxde.org and http://www.kde.org for some) -- Debian installs Gnome 3 by default and it is no problem to install others later though. |
| 10:28.49 | darkapp | id like something userfriendly, but laso will force me to learn more about terminal commands |
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| 10:29.07 | fishsponge | hello! can anyone remind me what the disk/RAID GUI command is? |
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| 10:29.29 | fishsponge | something tells me that it might start with a "p" and have dashes in it's name... I could be wrong though... |
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| 10:31.36 | fishsponge | anyone? |
| 10:31.39 | babilen | darkapp: I'd recommend XFCE4 or Gnome -- You can always explore other options later on. Both are fine environments, but a bit different in their approach. XFCE is more minimal and modelled after "traditional" environments and Gnome is doing a bit more and uses a fancy graphical shell. I'd try Gnome first and then explore other options later. |
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| 10:32.02 | fishsponge | there's a GUI that lets you view and manage your soft-RAID arrays and I cannot remember what it is... |
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| 10:32.21 | darkapp | thanx babilen |
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| 10:32.56 | babilen | darkapp: On what kind of hardware are you installing? How much RAM do you have? |
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| 10:33.05 | darkapp | i believe 6gb |
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| 10:33.34 | fishsponge | don't worry - found it - "palimpsest"! |
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| 10:36.08 | babilen | darkapp: Okay, in that case I'd recommend to download and install http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 10:36.30 | babilen | darkapp: Are you installing from a CD or from an USB stick? |
| 10:36.34 | darkapp | usb |
| 10:36.40 | darkapp | it has room |
| 10:36.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell darkapp -about usb install |
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| 10:36.53 | apm1 | darkapp, do you know how to dd |
| 10:37.05 | darkapp | i dont think so |
| 10:37.12 | darkapp | but ill read the installation guide |
| 10:37.21 | babilen | darkapp: Well, the easiest way is to overwrite the entire stick with the image. And don't use dd, but cp as explained in the installation guide. |
| 10:37.21 | darkapp | or use a vm |
| 10:37.52 | apm1 | darkapp, all cp does is show a fancy progress bar XD |
| 10:38.00 | apm1 | use dd |
| 10:38.13 | darkapp | ok, whats dd mean? |
| 10:38.14 | apm1 | it more *nixy |
| 10:38.26 | apm1 | dd is a standard unix utility |
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| 10:38.48 | babilen | apm1: dd is slower has awkward syntax and is not discussed in the installation guide. There is /no/ reason to use it. If there is, it is always better to use dclfldd |
| 10:38.51 | darkapp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:38.55 | babilen | darkapp: stop it |
| 10:38.57 | darkapp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:39.01 | darkapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.03 | darkapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.05 | darkapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.06 | babilen | darkapp: stop it |
| 10:39.07 | darkapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.09 | darkapp | those are the torrents i see |
| 10:39.10 | apm1 | wtf are you even doing darkapp |
| 10:39.13 | darkapp | are they all the same? |
| 10:39.15 | apm1 | stop |
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| 10:39.21 | apm1 | no |
| 10:39.34 | joachimhs | Is there a guide to using/enabling Xen on Debian 7 ? I've seen http://wiki.debian.org/Xen but it seems to be tailored to version 6, squeeze |
| 10:39.44 | babilen | darkapp: Please do not paste into the channel like that. We are aware of our architectures and I already told you which image to download. |
| 10:39.54 | babilen | darkapp: Get http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso and be done with it. |
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| 10:40.17 | darkapp | ok |
| 10:40.31 | babilen | darkapp: Do *not* paste more than, say, two lines into the channel ... |
| 10:40.41 | darkapp | ok my bad i guess |
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| 10:40.52 | darkapp | that iso is only 235mb? |
| 10:41.04 | darkapp | is it supposed to be that small? |
| 10:41.17 | apm1 | darkapp, that is because its a network installer |
| 10:41.25 | joachimhs | darkapp: Its a netinstall, it will download what it needs during installation |
| 10:41.32 | darkapp | i see |
| 10:41.38 | apm1 | i think babilen thinks you have 6gb HD |
| 10:41.38 | darkapp | does it use torrents? |
| 10:41.45 | babilen | darkapp: What you listed above are architectures for different hardware platforms. amd64 and i386 target the "Intel/AMD" processors and are 64bit and 32bit respectively. powerpc is the architectures that was used by Apple until they switched to Intel processors too .. ARM is frequently found in mobile devices such as smart phones and so on ... |
| 10:41.46 | Lehti | -.- |
| 10:41.52 | apm1 | while actually you have 6gb ram |
| 10:42.10 | darkapp | so dont download? |
| 10:42.17 | darkapp | i dont think i have 6gb HD |
| 10:42.21 | babilen | darkapp: That iso will download everything it needs from the internet during the installation. You do have a working internet connections don't you? |
| 10:42.27 | apm1 | darkapp, what do you want a gnome desktop xfce what ? |
| 10:42.36 | darkapp | yes lol, im talking to u now arent i? |
| 10:42.52 | babilen | apm1: Why are you under the impression that I think that darkapp has a 6gb hard drive? |
| 10:42.52 | darkapp | babilen: suggested gnome |
| 10:43.42 | babilen | darkapp: You can alternatively download the CD1, but that image does *not* contain firmware. If you have a working and reasonably fast internet connection I would just use the netinstall image with firmware that I linked earlier. |
| 10:43.50 | apm1 | babilen, cause the way he said "6gb" that struck me as being unclear as to if it was a flash drive or the ram |
| 10:43.55 | darkapp | ok |
| 10:43.57 | apm1 | so i assumed the same for you |
| 10:44.11 | darkapp | he said active memory |
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| 10:44.18 | darkapp | active memory = RAM |
| 10:44.24 | babilen | yeah :) |
| 10:44.28 | apm1 | darkapp, i may have missed that |
| 10:44.31 | apm1 | sorry |
| 10:44.45 | apm1 | shit day at office = fried brians |
| 10:44.53 | apm1 | *brains |
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| 10:46.20 | AkuUsagi | hello, how do i install PHP5.3 on wheezy? |
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| 10:47.33 | babilen | AkuUsagi: You don't .. Wheezy comes with PHP 5.3 -- Run your software on squeeze if you require 5.3 and tell your developers to get working on 5.4 support (or to develop in a way that allows the software to run on multiple versions) |
| 10:47.37 | babilen | err |
| 10:47.41 | babilen | comes with PHP 5.4 |
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| 10:48.24 | joachimhs | Debian Wheezy comes with Xen pre-installed, right ? |
| 10:48.40 | zamba | how do i turn my debian system into UTC? |
| 10:48.56 | apm1 | joachimhs, nothing comes preinstalled in debian |
| 10:48.57 | zamba | i tried tzselect and then 11 - UTC, but: `UTC' is not a conforming Posix time zone string. |
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| 10:49.22 | apm1 | joachimhs, depends on what image and packages from it you chose to install |
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| 10:49.58 | joachimhs | apm1: OK. I havent selected it specifically during istall |
| 10:50.05 | joachimhs | s/istall/install |
| 10:50.23 | apm1 | joachimhs, check with dpkg --policy Xen |
| 10:50.40 | AkuUsagi | babilen: the only thing not working is centreon 2.4.1 |
| 10:50.42 | apm1 | rather dpkg Xen --policy |
| 10:50.48 | joachimhs | OK. Is it enough to apt-get install xen-linux-system to install it ? |
| 10:50.58 | apm1 | i hope so |
| 10:51.04 | apm1 | never used xen myself |
| 10:51.34 | joachimhs | apm1: OK. Thanks |
| 10:51.41 | apm1 | even qemu-kvm is an overkill for my virtualization needs ;) |
| 10:51.57 | joachimhs | apm1: What virualization do you tend to use? |
| 10:52.17 | babilen | AkuUsagi: I don't think we support centreon in Debian -- You might want to investigate alternatives such as the wonderful Icinga for example. There might also be a Centreon version that runs on PHP 5.4, but I wouldn't know about that. |
| 10:52.39 | apm1 | joachimhs, ummm a vm running on a laptop kind |
| 10:53.00 | joachimhs | apm1: Ah. This is for a server-installation :) |
| 10:53.27 | apm1 | i no nothing of that witchcraft ;) |
| 10:53.34 | apm1 | know even |
| 10:53.54 | boudiccas | if ncmpcpp shows --version 0.5.10, is this the same as sids version of 0.5.10-1.1. why cant i 'sudo apt-get -t sid install ncmpcpp' please to get the most recent version of it? |
| 10:54.10 | joachimhs | apm1: ;) |
| 10:54.21 | AkuUsagi | babilen: i prefer nagio/centreon, and there is no centreon version supporting PHP 5.4 yet |
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| 10:55.24 | babilen | AkuUsagi: Okay, in that case I would deploy Centreon on squeeze for the next year (that squeeze is still supported by us) and wait for a version that supports PHP 5.4 -- Isn't 5.4 ancient by now? |
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| 10:56.34 | babilen | AkuUsagi: Overall I would reevaluate your needs and consider monitoring solutions that are packaged for/by the distribution you use (Debian in this case) -- My personal recommendation is Icinga, but there are certainly others … |
| 10:57.03 | babilen | darkapp: How are you getting along? Did you download the netinst image already? |
| 10:57.35 | darkapp | not exactly |
| 10:57.40 | darkapp | need to read instructions |
| 10:58.54 | AkuUsagi | nagios is also avaiable in the debian repository. but i like to build it from source. via backports i can use a 3.x kernel on squeeze to ... ? |
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| 10:59.44 | apm1 | darkapp, back in 2010 when i first installed debian it didn't take me 60 seconds to decide what iso i wanted |
| 10:59.53 | babilen | darkapp: Okay, so you haven't yet downloaded the image or you downloaded it but you are not sure what to do with it? |
| 11:00.02 | darkapp | image yes |
| 11:00.07 | darkapp | its in downloads |
| 11:00.16 | babilen | darkapp: We are here to help, just ask if something is unclear :) |
| 11:00.22 | darkapp | ok thanx |
| 11:00.32 | babilen | darkapp: Okay, are you on Linux right now or in Winwows? (or something else) |
| 11:00.39 | babilen | Windows that is |
| 11:00.41 | darkapp | linux |
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| 11:00.44 | darkapp | mint specificaly |
| 11:01.05 | babilen | Okay, is it okay to overwrite your USB stick? |
| 11:01.33 | apm1 | darkapp, do you have a flash drive that you can completely wipe and use as a debian install medium ? |
| 11:01.46 | darkapp | possibly |
| 11:01.54 | apm1 | possibly ? |
| 11:01.57 | darkapp | i can just back everything up on my computer i guess |
| 11:02.06 | darkapp | is 16 gb enough? |
| 11:02.12 | apm1 | darkapp, do you have a cd atleast ? |
| 11:02.14 | babilen | Please do that or acquire blank CDs or a new USB stick. |
| 11:02.19 | darkapp | no |
| 11:02.26 | darkapp | who uses cds these days? |
| 11:02.27 | owa | if you download a 400mb installation iso 400mb is enough on that device |
| 11:02.31 | babilen | 16gb is more than enough ... |
| 11:02.31 | apm1 | dArK_IcE, i do |
| 11:02.36 | apm1 | wrong nick |
| 11:02.39 | dArK_IcE | :D |
| 11:02.46 | darkapp | ok, so put it all on the usb, then what? |
| 11:02.52 | apm1 | dArK_IcE, sorry man |
| 11:02.58 | dArK_IcE | no problem haah |
| 11:03.06 | apm1 | darkapp, no wait |
| 11:03.17 | apm1 | darkapp, run sudo fdisk -l |
| 11:03.33 | apm1 | and see what /dev node your flash drive is on |
| 11:03.34 | babilen | darkapp: Okay, so .. well .. The instructions in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 will cause your USB drive to be overwritten and you will have to partition it after the installation if you want to use it again for data. |
| 11:03.41 | Lehti | lol, if one didn't know better, darkapp could be just trolling hard |
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| 11:04.16 | darkapp | babilen: last time i did that, my usb wouldnt work for anything |
| 11:04.23 | babilen | I guess the worst thing would be two people giving instructions ... apm1: feel free to talk darkapp through this |
| 11:04.26 | darkapp | i tried doing that to boot into kali once |
| 11:04.50 | babilen | darkapp: Feel free to go out and acquire blank CDs :) |
| 11:05.06 | darkapp | lol, well those are just clunky |
| 11:05.11 | owa | Lehti im suspecting that the whole time, but even if it could answer potential questions of lurkers who are too shy to ask ;P |
| 11:05.13 | darkapp | horrible for portability |
| 11:05.21 | darkapp | they break easy too |
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| 11:05.32 | apm1 | darkapp, trust me burning a cd will save me and you 95% of the headache |
| 11:05.34 | Lehti | owa, true.. true :) |
| 11:05.41 | introom | I am on debian 7 and I just installed nginx. But I am confused at the directory conf.d site-avaialbe and site-enabled. Seems like it's a debian specific but there is no document on it |
| 11:06.12 | babilen | introom: You find that documented in apache's READMe.Debian in /usr/share/doc/apache-* |
| 11:06.12 | owa | i personally use MDISCs |
| 11:06.15 | owa | they are made from stone |
| 11:06.20 | owa | and last 1000 years |
| 11:06.26 | darkapp | ya but i dont have one, so waiting a week to get one via amazon would take longer |
| 11:06.32 | apm1 | owa, #debian-offtopic |
| 11:06.40 | introom | babilen: but it's about nginx ? |
| 11:07.00 | apm1 | darkapp, just copy paste the image you downloaded from downloads to your home folder |
| 11:07.23 | apm1 | and then run "sudo fdisk -l" |
| 11:07.25 | babilen | introom: Ah, right .. sorry about that. I am sure that nginx's README.Debian discusses this scheme too ... wouldn't know myself. |
| 11:07.30 | apm1 | without the quotes |
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| 11:07.59 | apm1 | darkapp, and then paste the output of that command on paste.debian.net |
| 11:08.18 | darkapp | woops did it through the gui XD |
| 11:08.24 | fishsponge | anyone upgraded to wheezy and struggling to get userChrome.css to work with icedove? |
| 11:08.39 | apm1 | darkapp, gparted would work too |
| 11:08.50 | babilen | fishsponge: be the first! |
| 11:08.55 | fishsponge | my old userChrome.css file (for Icedove 3) is doing nothing in Icedove 10... |
| 11:09.02 | apm1 | i just need to know what /dev node your flash drive is on darkapp |
| 11:09.11 | darkapp | i did the fdisk |
| 11:09.17 | introom | babilen: /usr/share/doc/nginx/README.Debian is only several lines ….and doesn't touch my question |
| 11:09.31 | apm1 | darkapp, paste the output of fdisk -l |
| 11:09.43 | apm1 | run that with sudo |
| 11:09.53 | apm1 | on paste.debian.net |
| 11:09.57 | babilen | introom: let me see -- I can explain it to you if I have to (it's not that hard), but I'd prefer to point out the documentation |
| 11:10.11 | apm1 | don't flood like before darkapp |
| 11:10.24 | apm1 | use paste.debian.net |
| 11:10.45 | darkapp | http://pastebin.com/7dx21AND |
| 11:10.48 | darkapp | no flooding |
| 11:10.49 | introom | babilen: thank you. pointing out the documentation is like teaching me the method, so I am willing to that |
| 11:10.57 | darkapp | although i used a diffrent paste service |
| 11:11.01 | apm1 | darkapp, good lad :) |
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| 11:11.29 | apm1 | darkapp, plug in your flash drive and then run that command |
| 11:11.36 | babilen | darkapp: we despise pastebin.com though (ads, captchas, ...) ;) |
| 11:11.40 | darkapp | o woops |
| 11:11.46 | babilen | shuts up now |
| 11:11.54 | joachimhs | This seems pretty thorough! http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.virtualization.html |
| 11:12.28 | apm1 | joachimhs, good to see you don't have to be told to RTFM :) |
| 11:12.36 | apm1 | you do it by yourself :) |
| 11:12.39 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a3a4346b/ |
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| 11:13.27 | apm1 | darkapp, still nothing except for your HD on sda |
| 11:13.35 | joachimhs | apm1: :) I wish this handbook was linked to better from debian.org though! |
| 11:13.38 | darkapp | my usb is plugged in |
| 11:13.40 | ayni | hello all |
| 11:13.50 | ayni | i need ur help |
| 11:13.52 | ayni | i have to realise project before getting my diploma. i want an idea of project concerning linux , networking or both(linux and networking). can anyone give me an idea of project to realise? Thank u in advance |
| 11:13.59 | apm1 | darkapp, locate gparted in the mint menu] |
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| 11:14.09 | babilen | introom: Hmm, that is unfortunate -- it doesn't seem to be documented :-/ |
| 11:14.27 | AkuUsagi | Squeeze is not yed EFI Compatible? |
| 11:14.36 | darkapp | ? |
| 11:14.48 | darkapp | u mean type lcate gparted? |
| 11:14.53 | darkapp | *locate |
| 11:15.17 | babilen | AkuUsagi: The Debian installer started to support EFI with wheezy ... you can use grub-efi on squeeze though, but the installer doesn't do it. |
| 11:15.18 | apm1 | darkapp, nvm is there an icon for the flash drive on the desktop |
| 11:15.22 | apm1 | or in the file manager ? |
| 11:15.49 | introom | babilen: oops. how could now the user know what's that for..... |
| 11:15.54 | apm1 | darkapp, just type sudo gparted to run gparted |
| 11:16.12 | fishsponge | is icedove 10 not bothering with userChrome.css because it's using a "tango" theme? |
| 11:16.31 | babilen | introom: The basic idea is to split website configuration into small files in sites-available and them symlink those that are actually enabled into sites-enabled ... on apache you do this with "a2ensite SITE" and "a2dissite SITE", but I wouldn't know the equivalent for nginx. |
| 11:16.49 | darkapp | one second, my usb isnt popping up |
| 11:16.59 | AkuUsagi | can i migrate a BIOS install to an EFI installation later? |
| 11:17.05 | darkapp | ok found it |
| 11:17.08 | ayni | any ideas? |
| 11:17.09 | babilen | introom: Would you mind filing a wishlist bug against nginx in which you ask for clarification? Run "reportbug nginx" and walk through it. |
| 11:17.38 | babilen | introom: There must be some docuemntation somewher .. I am honestly embarrassed by this :-/ |
| 11:18.29 | darkapp | ~/Downloads $ sudo gparted |
| 11:18.29 | darkapp | sudo: gparted: command not found |
| 11:18.43 | introom | babilen: sorry, I am not familiar withtthe wishlist thing, what should I do? |
| 11:19.05 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/4311/ |
| 11:19.10 | darkapp | that one shows the usb |
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| 11:19.46 | babilen | introom: http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
| 11:20.20 | apm1 | darkapp, now did you drag the iso from downloads to your home folder ? |
| 11:20.50 | introom | babilen: oops, too complicated, no gui….no web interface |
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| 11:22.05 | babilen | introom: For your nginx configuration: Take a look at /etc/nginx/sites-available/default which is the default configuration .. if you link that into sites-enabled you'll enable that. nginx might even ship a program to do trht |
| 11:22.23 | babilen | introom: sorry, have to leave for a little while.. |
| 11:22.28 | apm1 | darkapp, after dragging the iso from downloads to your home folder run the following |
| 11:22.34 | apm1 | sudo dd if=firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb |
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| 11:22.56 | darkapp | There was an error moving the file into /home. |
| 11:23.11 | darkapp | i had it in my my name before |
| 11:23.19 | darkapp | my computers name |
| 11:23.30 | darkapp | /home/hi/compsname |
| 11:23.36 | apm1 | darkapp, where is it now ? |
| 11:23.42 | darkapp | downloads |
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| 11:23.51 | darkapp | o wait |
| 11:23.59 | darkapp | it was a premissions thing hold on |
| 11:24.54 | boudiccas | whats a 'premissions thing' please? :) |
| 11:24.56 | apm1 | fucking *buntu makes you run as a sudoer and still asks for authentication for moving stuff :( |
| 11:25.33 | apm1 | boudiccas, he didn't have the user rights to even move files to his home directory |
| 11:25.37 | darkapp | succesfully moved it |
| 11:25.56 | apm1 | darkapp, now please run "sudo dd if=firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb" |
| 11:25.58 | darkapp | permissions means not running as root (or admin in windows terms) |
| 11:26.12 | boudiccas | apm1: i was commenting on the actual wording 'premissions thing' :) which is why i put a smiley at the end |
| 11:26.37 | darkapp | apm1: wat will that do? |
| 11:26.41 | apm1 | darkapp, sit back until the $ prompt reappears |
| 11:26.43 | darkapp | is it going to take me offline |
| 11:26.54 | apm1 | darkapp, write the iso to your flash drive |
| 11:27.00 | darkapp | ok |
| 11:27.21 | apm1 | no it won't take you offline |
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| 11:27.40 | darkapp | hold on to ur hats |
| 11:27.45 | darkapp | i ran the command |
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| 11:28.08 | crackerjackz | darkapp, it might take a minute |
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| 11:28.13 | darkapp | ok |
| 11:28.17 | boudiccas | and now smoke is coming out of the back of the monitor! |
| 11:28.18 | apm1 | takes 90secws here |
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| 11:28.23 | apm1 | &secs |
| 11:28.25 | darkapp | lol |
| 11:28.27 | apm1 | *secs |
| 11:28.34 | apm1 | kmn |
| 11:28.52 | darkapp | ya looks like the terminal is just chilling |
| 11:29.01 | apm1 | let it chill |
| 11:29.01 | darkapp | no lines running through, just a blank line |
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| 11:29.10 | apm1 | thats how it rolls |
| 11:29.13 | apm1 | let it |
| 11:29.22 | apm1 | it'll return the prompt when its finished |
| 11:29.24 | crackerjackz | darkapp, that's normal, when it's finished it'll spit out a bunch of output and take you back to the prompt |
| 11:29.26 | bluesm | Where I can find basic explanation of "make" and make config ? |
| 11:29.40 | darkapp | ummm |
| 11:29.42 | apm1 | bluesm, man make |
| 11:29.42 | darkapp | no promt |
| 11:29.46 | bluesm | I mean "man page" said it could be obsolete .... |
| 11:29.50 | crackerjackz | darkapp, it'll take a minute |
| 11:29.56 | apm1 | darkapp, just wait |
| 11:29.56 | darkapp | no it finished |
| 11:30.03 | crackerjackz | coolness |
| 11:30.17 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/4314/ |
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| 11:30.42 | crackerjackz | looks like it was successful |
| 11:30.50 | apm1 | darkapp,did the prompt come back ? |
| 11:30.55 | darkapp | no |
| 11:30.59 | darkapp | that was it |
| 11:31.10 | apm1 | weird |
| 11:31.29 | crackerjackz | now mount your flash drive and look at it's contents |
| 11:31.36 | apm1 | so you can't type anything in the terminal now |
| 11:31.42 | boudiccas | darkapp: how do you know it finished when the prompt didnt return? |
| 11:31.56 | darkapp | u forgot to tell me the erasing part btw |
| 11:32.04 | boudiccas | !u |
| 11:32.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:32.36 | apm1 | darkapp, for that we will use gparted |
| 11:32.42 | darkapp | ok |
| 11:32.49 | darkapp | sudo gparted now? |
| 11:32.58 | apm1 | nope after you are finished |
| 11:33.04 | apm1 | installing i mean |
| 11:33.12 | apm1 | keep the mint partitions |
| 11:33.19 | darkapp | kk |
| 11:33.26 | darkapp | theres an autorun.inf now |
| 11:34.00 | apm1 | darkapp, just close the terminal window and reboot from the flash drive |
| 11:34.01 | darkapp | and two .txt from previously, encoded very weirdly |
| 11:34.15 | apm1 | .txt ? |
| 11:34.20 | darkapp | text files |
| 11:34.21 | apm1 | wtf is even happening ? |
| 11:34.27 | apm1 | i kno0w what they are |
| 11:34.34 | darkapp | ok ill be back |
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| 11:34.37 | apm1 | but i can't explain their presence |
| 11:35.01 | apm1 | did dd the "disk destroyer" fail ? |
| 11:35.08 | apm1 | that is unpossible |
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| 11:35.15 | owa | hes gone now |
| 11:35.24 | apm1 | he'll be back |
| 11:35.28 | crackerjackz | hes gonna boot from that usb |
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| 11:36.59 | owa | im wondering, what are the implications of a shared /boot partition between different distros, say debian and arch. isnt the /boot part just a place where grub keeps its config and the initramfs kernels are stored? |
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| 11:37.27 | apm1 | owa, yes and doing that will break the crap out of your system |
| 11:37.42 | babilen | Sammy123: |
| 11:38.04 | owa | but why, if grub says use kernel1 for sda1 and arch and use kernel2 for sda2 and debian all should be fine? |
| 11:38.23 | apm1 | owa, if only *nix worked that easy |
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| 11:38.42 | apm1 | there is a shit load more of scripts involved |
| 11:39.07 | apm1 | that have animosity against other distros |
| 11:39.14 | apm1 | i know from experience |
| 11:39.36 | owa | well i tried it a few days ago, and no it didnt work out of the box |
| 11:39.44 | owa | luckily i was able to revert all changes D: |
| 11:39.46 | apm1 | you don't say |
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| 11:40.14 | owa | yeah but thats why i was asking, why isnt it working if grub specifies which kernel to load for which distro |
| 11:40.32 | apm1 | owa, animosity among distros and their init systems |
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| 11:41.15 | apm1 | people are dead set to make your life worse when you are multibooting |
| 11:41.23 | crackerjackz | i've been reading about how to set debian up in a chrooted environment... i understand that there are a few ways to go about it. is it safe to use this method setting up a jail for apache? https://modsecurity.org/documentation/apache-internal-chroot.html |
| 11:41.36 | crackerjackz | blah not debian.. apache i mean |
| 11:41.41 | crackerjackz | im running debian though |
| 11:42.28 | crackerjackz | i was also reading this... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html |
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| 11:43.13 | apm1 | i gave up on jails a long time ago |
| 11:43.22 | apm1 | i just run a vm and call it a day |
| 11:43.39 | apm1 | less headache more system resources |
| 11:43.42 | crackerjackz | that's what i'd like to do but this server is old it doesn't run vms very well |
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| 11:44.36 | apm1 | crackerjackz, if its old its gotta work with freebsd |
| 11:44.49 | apm1 | freebsd rocks for setting up a jails environment |
| 11:45.50 | apm1 | i much prefer a BSD for dev work over linux |
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| 11:51.41 | fishsponge | has anyone upgraded to wheezy yet and struggling with userChrome.css in icedove?? |
| 11:52.56 | crackerjackz | apm1, i would be willing to experiment with freebsd in a vm on my desktop but id rather stick with what i know on my server because it needs to be secure so i don't have much room for experimentation on that end |
| 11:53.19 | apm1 | ymmv |
| 11:53.26 | crackerjackz | ymmv? |
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| 11:54.51 | apm1 | crackerjackz, your mileage may vary |
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| 12:11.13 | apm1 | !anal |
| 12:11.14 | dpkg | somebody said anal was a kind of sex, which is very nice for men who love other men.!, or another way to say anal retentive, or the #debian channel in general, in which hostility is quite often the response. |
| 12:11.24 | apm1 | i am not surprised XD |
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| 12:15.24 | jelly | it's a rather frank assessment |
| 12:15.45 | FUNG|Urumqi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.53 | FUNG|Urumqi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.07 | EmleyMoor | pinches a space off FUNG|Urumqi |
| 12:16.20 | Iridos | he used the u-word! |
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| 12:16.58 | EmleyMoor | He's welcome, if he's joining their channel... just needs to remember "no space before /" |
| 12:17.19 | Stifler | got it |
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| 12:20.17 | jdoles | Is there a better alternative for Squid? |
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| 12:24.26 | franco00 | I ran "mkswap /dev/sda3" (succesfully), but when I "swapon -s" I only see a "/dev/ramzswap0". What am I doing wrong? |
| 12:25.29 | apm1 | !haha |
| 12:25.29 | dpkg | laughs!! that's funny apm1! |
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| 12:27.34 | franco00 | (fdisk -l correctly identifies /dev/sda3 as 'linux swap/ solaris' |
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| 12:28.43 | bluesm | What are levels of "manuals" |
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| 12:28.53 | bluesm | smb.conf(5) .. ? |
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| 12:30.18 | apm1 | ! tell bluesm abt man levels |
| 12:30.31 | apm1 | !tell bluesm abt man levels |
| 12:30.56 | apm1 | bluesm, /msg dpkg man levels |
| 12:31.12 | apm1 | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=levels |
| 12:31.12 | Iridos | abt? |
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| 12:31.24 | apm1 | Iridos, about |
| 12:31.35 | Iridos | rite |
| 12:31.44 | franco00 | abt-get |
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| 12:32.06 | Iridos | abt-god |
| 12:32.11 | kwork | abs-get |
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| 12:32.32 | apm1 | staph |
| 12:33.13 | apm1 | i always wondered if it meant "stop or i'll beat you with my staph " |
| 12:33.25 | apm1 | turns out "NO" |
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| 12:36.22 | gedO | Hello |
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| 12:37.08 | gedO | Who can help me with making deb from old installed package and from new version source? |
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| 12:38.21 | apm1 | for a small fee of 1000$ i will ;) |
| 12:38.36 | apm1 | </troll> |
| 12:38.41 | gedO | apm1: you a making jokes :D |
| 12:38.46 | apm1 | yes |
| 12:39.01 | gedO | apm1: will you help me? |
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| 12:39.24 | apm1 | gedO, if you state the problem fully maybe |
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| 12:40.20 | gedO | apm1: I have installed roundcube 7. etc. I want to update to roundcube 9 and on several machines so I need deb file |
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| 12:41.01 | gedO | apm1: So I want to build a deb achive with new versiun and with old version settings |
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| 12:41.29 | apm1 | !tell gedO about roundcube |
| 12:42.06 | apm1 | gedO, according to the bot wheezy lacks dependencies for it |
| 12:42.21 | gedO | apm1: I have debian 6.0 |
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| 12:42.29 | gedO | apm1: So I beleave it should work |
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| 12:43.23 | apm1 | gedO, i say get the make file for the old version if it exists |
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| 12:43.49 | apm1 | although i doubt it'll build the package from the new versions source |
| 12:43.59 | jelly | ,v roundcube |
| 12:44.00 | judd | Package: roundcube on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.1-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; jessie: 0.7.2-9; sid: 0.7.2-9; wheezy: 0.7.2-9; experimental: 0.8.6-1 |
| 12:44.30 | apm1 | jelly, he wants to build it with custom parameters |
| 12:44.50 | jelly | 0.9 is... different, I'm not sure doing a rebuild with a simple uupdate is going to do it |
| 12:44.51 | apm1 | thus installing from the debian repo isn't quite what he wants |
| 12:45.07 | jelly | apm1: it's php, there's not much building |
| 12:45.19 | apm1 | idk |
| 12:45.26 | apm1 | never used it |
| 12:45.27 | cusco | gedO: I do use roundcube and get tit manually from its mainline |
| 12:45.32 | cusco | source |
| 12:45.49 | cusco | read the changelog there are db strucuture changes... |
| 12:45.52 | gedO | Sorry, guys, I will return soon |
| 12:45.53 | apm1 | please for the love of kittens may that not be a typo :) |
| 12:46.08 | jelly | cusco: but then you have to upgrade manually as well, and track the upstream for security issues on your own |
| 12:46.13 | cusco | apm1: get it |
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| 12:46.25 | apm1 | !boobs |
| 12:46.25 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
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| 12:46.36 | apm1 | \o/ |
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| 12:47.21 | cusco | jelly: that may be true |
| 12:47.35 | cusco | but the version upstream has some features not in debian |
| 12:47.36 | apm1 | maybe |
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| 12:47.44 | apm1 | and bugs too |
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| 12:47.57 | apm1 | not just vulnerabilities |
| 12:48.37 | jelly | cusco: still, for php apps like that, it's probably better to do it that way |
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| 12:49.10 | fishsponge | has anyone upgraded to wheezy yet and struggling with userChrome.css in icedove?? |
| 12:49.11 | cusco | don't get me wrong I use debian packages for near everything |
| 12:49.12 | jelly | debian can't really keep up with their releases or expected to take care of every little security issue |
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| 12:49.51 | m33r0 | hello |
| 12:50.30 | gedO | Buys, I'm back |
| 12:51.08 | owa | is there any way to see how far a apt-get dist-upgrade is? |
| 12:51.10 | apm1 | welcome to bestbuy how can we assist you :) |
| 12:51.37 | apm1 | owa, look on the extreme right of the current line |
| 12:51.41 | apm1 | ij console |
| 12:51.44 | apm1 | *in |
| 12:51.52 | owa | yeah nothing there |
| 12:51.57 | Lehti | Hey, how "severe" is the new 'perf_event' exploit really? |
| 12:52.02 | owa | its done downloading, already installing |
| 12:52.19 | apm1 | owa, then nothing that i know of |
| 12:52.46 | owa | well Lehti, if a regular user suddenly gets root... anything can happen |
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| 12:53.25 | rkrishna | Hi, we do a lot of video capture and recording, the system kind of slows down while dealing with large files. Any idea? |
| 12:53.35 | Lehti | but isn't it mostly just a local user problem? i.e. doesn't really affect a lot of web services? |
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| 12:54.25 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, what software are you using? |
| 12:54.49 | deuterium | hia. is there a list of known problems when upgrading squeeze->wheezy? |
| 12:54.50 | owa | i wouldnt know anything about related webs ervices |
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| 12:55.43 | apm1 | rkrishna, always good to see a vaishnav on the internetz and as for your problem it can be just plain I/O floods or something more darker |
| 12:55.47 | rkrishna | we are use Debian Lenny |
| 12:56.43 | deuterium | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#trouble, maybe? |
| 12:56.52 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, what types of cameras are you using? |
| 12:56.58 | apm1 | rkrishna, what apps are you running on lenny when the system slows down |
| 12:57.19 | apm1 | crackerjackz, i doubt the camera has anything to do with it |
| 12:57.35 | rkrishna | Right, the system was ok while recording small durations up to 60 mins, but now we increased the duration to 300 mins that is 5 hours and the increased file size slows the system |
| 12:57.49 | crackerjackz | apm1, well i was trying to get an idea. i was wondering if he was using a webcam and software to record or if he was using a camera with an sd card or something |
| 12:57.56 | apm1 | wait ? your camera runs debian ? |
| 12:58.25 | apm1 | crackerjackz, hmm you actually got the right idea |
| 12:58.35 | apm1 | it was me who misunderstood him XD |
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| 12:59.26 | rkrishna | we in fact record broadcast feed with regular v4lo or dbv cards |
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| 12:59.49 | darkapp | im on deb for my first time :) |
| 13:00.00 | apm1 | rkrishna, no idea then dude :( |
| 13:00.17 | darkapp | apm1, your who i was talking to earlier right? |
| 13:00.18 | apm1 | darkapp, at least thank us you brat ;) |
| 13:00.26 | apm1 | oh yes i am |
| 13:00.27 | darkapp | was about too lol |
| 13:00.28 | darkapp | thanx |
| 13:00.45 | darkapp | thanx this os, is pretty cool |
| 13:00.51 | darkapp | trying to get used it now |
| 13:00.57 | apm1 | its the second best in the world |
| 13:01.01 | darkapp | lol |
| 13:01.05 | darkapp | and the best is.... |
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| 13:01.13 | mar77i | windows? |
| 13:01.14 | apm1 | slackware/freebsd |
| 13:01.17 | darkapp | NO |
| 13:01.20 | apm1 | depends on your hardware |
| 13:01.22 | darkapp | no to windows |
| 13:01.38 | darkapp | slackware i never tried |
| 13:01.45 | darkapp | but windows needs to commit suicide |
| 13:01.53 | apm1 | its worth your time |
| 13:02.06 | apm1 | the stability and control is awesome |
| 13:02.12 | darkapp | hmmm |
| 13:02.22 | apm1 | just a bit harsh on the packaging troubles |
| 13:02.24 | darkapp | ill give it a look, but one OS a week for me is enough |
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| 13:02.48 | apm1 | darkapp, when i use to hop , it was like 15 OSs a day |
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| 13:03.14 | darkapp | lol |
| 13:03.14 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, how do you have everything setup? what software are you using? |
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| 13:03.22 | darkapp | gnome |
| 13:03.35 | darkapp | and apm1 knows more than me |
| 13:03.39 | darkapp | i jst booted |
| 13:03.52 | darkapp | broke my debian virginity for a second time |
| 13:04.10 | darkapp | (yes, you can be a virgin twice if u want too) |
| 13:04.12 | rkrishna | I get broadcast feeds and record with MythTV |
| 13:04.20 | apm1 | we hope you turn out to be a pure *nixer |
| 13:04.49 | darkapp | god gnome is awesome, all the fun gui stuff of windows, without the.. well windows |
| 13:05.07 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, what kind of processor do you have? |
| 13:05.08 | rkrishna | its definitely something to do with large file sizes, any idea how to identify the real bottleneck in this case? |
| 13:05.14 | darkapp | this gui is seriously crazy |
| 13:05.28 | apm1 | darkapp, /join #debian-offtopic |
| 13:05.30 | darkapp | cant believe ive been running kde this whole time |
| 13:05.50 | rkrishna | its a quad core 2.5+ Ghz and Hardware Raid |
| 13:06.29 | mallxs | got a warning on my iptables setup , think it is on this line "iptables -A INPUT -i ! eth2" should it be writen as "iptables -A INPUT ! -i eth2" ?? |
| 13:06.47 | mar77i | hello #debian, I am having a question to dpkg. I have a script that evaluates dependencies based on /var/lib/dpkg/info/.../*.shlib files... now there seem to be too many packages (I guess I have removed some sources from APT since) |
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| 13:07.24 | mar77i | how would I go about to clean up this mess now? |
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| 13:07.57 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, what file system are you using? |
| 13:08.06 | rkrishna | XFS |
| 13:08.22 | babilen | darkapp: Take a look at https://extensions.gnome.org/ as well |
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| 13:09.14 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, so after 60 minutes of recording it just starts getting slow out of no where? |
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| 13:09.35 | bluesm | What are bots here ? |
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| 13:09.59 | babilen | bluesm: dpkg and judd |
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| 13:10.25 | babilen | bluesm: Read http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot and http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
| 13:10.35 | scx | hello |
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| 13:11.13 | rkrishna | not exactly, we were earlier doing 60 mins of continuous recording, now increased it to 300mins. So, the smaller recording blocks were ok, we are seeing system slowdown with bigger blocks |
| 13:11.55 | rkrishna | the machine records 24x7 in blocks |
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| 13:12.37 | darkapp | thanx babilen |
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| 13:12.52 | darkapp | got to figure out the sound on xchat again for beeps |
| 13:13.03 | babilen | darkapp: You are welcome, I take it that the installation went fine and that you are now happily exploring your new system? |
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| 13:13.53 | darkapp | o yea |
| 13:13.58 | darkapp | its amazing, luv it |
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| 13:14.15 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, so its like the recording its self is slow... like out of sync? |
| 13:14.19 | darkapp | i luv all the amazing free operating systems linux makes |
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| 13:15.13 | scx | babilen: is it possible to check date when i joined channel (before today)? |
| 13:15.20 | crackerjackz | its not that linux make it ... the people make it, every day people like you and i. you could make your own linux distro if you really wanted darkapp |
| 13:15.24 | crackerjackz | makes* |
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| 13:15.40 | darkapp | ya i know, although im not nearly that good at c |
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| 13:16.03 | crackerjackz | darkapp, you should read richard stallmans philosphy on why software should not have owners on http://gnu.org |
| 13:16.41 | darkapp | im actually rather against copy rights, and i know about windows shady past |
| 13:16.42 | rkrishna | yep |
| 13:17.00 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, what format are you saving it as? |
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| 13:17.54 | rkrishna | mepg |
| 13:17.58 | ws2k3 | hello i wanne search for files in debian i wanne search for files called ban.txt i do this using find / -name ban.txt but then the files dont show its size how can i modify the command that it also shows the file sizes? |
| 13:18.19 | scx | babilen: how to ask bot about mixing repos/apt-pinning? |
| 13:18.40 | scx | ws2k3: du |
| 13:18.42 | jelly | ws2k3: add -ls |
| 13:18.45 | scx | du -sh |
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| 13:18.56 | jelly | scx: FILE sizes. |
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| 13:19.19 | ws2k3 | hwo you mean add -ls just find / -name ban.txt -ls |
| 13:19.26 | jelly | ws2k3: yes, exactly |
| 13:19.54 | babilen | scx: Generally speaking you shouldn't mix releases and your never should mix with third party repositories. What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 13:20.03 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, so is v4l and myth tv the only thing you're using? are you using vlc or anything? what exactly is it that you are recording, something from a camera or are you trying to make your own dvr or something? |
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| 13:20.24 | scx | jelly: find /usr/share/pixmaps -iname "*.gif" | xargs du -sh |
| 13:20.38 | rkrishna | its dvr, we are not using any other software |
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| 13:21.24 | scx | babilen: i remember that bot was saying about "frankenstein" system |
| 13:24.08 | babilen | scx: Yes, we have several factoids meant for people who broke their systems (against our recommendation) by mixing stable with unstable or testing (let alone other distributions). What do you want to achieve? |
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| 13:24.27 | ueb | hi everybody |
| 13:24.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell scx -about frankendebian |
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| 13:24.43 | babilen | scx: That's one of them ... |
| 13:25.07 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, about how big are those files you're having problems with? |
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| 13:25.33 | rkrishna | they are usually 19+GB |
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| 13:26.07 | Trae32566-NE | so....hopefully I just fixed my filesystem, but if not, I may need some help |
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| 13:27.18 | Trae32566-NE | oh, thank god |
| 13:27.20 | ueb | in your opinion what's a good MTA for Debian? I'm thinking about using Exim4, which comes by default with Debian.. |
| 13:27.21 | apm1 | !tell darkapp about greenhouse |
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| 13:27.26 | scx | babilen: Thanks. I would like to quote the official Debian's posiotion of mixing repos. |
| 13:28.05 | apm1 | !tell rjsalts about greenhouse |
| 13:28.15 | babilen | scx: That factoid should not be considered the official position of the Debian project |
| 13:28.35 | babilen | apm1: seriously, can't they /msg the bot themselves? |
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| 13:29.22 | codepython7771 | adduser username sudo; —> Tells username is already in sudo. When I do "sudo -i" as username - it says username not in sudoers file? |
| 13:29.26 | codepython7771 | What am i doing wrong? |
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| 13:30.07 | babilen | codepython7771: Did you relogin after adding yourself to the "sudo" group? What does "id" give you? |
| 13:30.08 | darkapp | lol apm1 wat was that? |
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| 13:30.23 | babilen | darkapp: forget about it |
| 13:30.29 | crackerjackz | rkrishna, i'm thinking maybe it could have something to do with this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Performance#Combat_Fragmentation |
| 13:30.37 | ueb | I need to install a good mail server |
| 13:31.17 | babilen | ueb: postfix and exim4 are both good choices .. |
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| 13:31.53 | ueb | babilen: only for SMTP |
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| 13:32.38 | scx | ueb: exim4 isnt good choice |
| 13:32.47 | crackerjackz | krisfremen, what resolution are you recording at? |
| 13:32.50 | ueb | scx: why? |
| 13:32.51 | scx | ueb: you should try postfix |
| 13:33.06 | rjsalts | exim is a perfectly good choice |
| 13:33.07 | scx | ueb: poor configuration file |
| 13:33.14 | babilen | ueb: yes, postfix and exim4 are both reasonable choices .. some people prefer postfix and you might want to consider that. |
| 13:33.28 | Trae32566-NE | IIRC Postfix works better out of box |
| 13:33.31 | scx | hard to manage |
| 13:33.45 | rjsalts | exim is more flexible |
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| 13:34.04 | rjsalts | postfix is more secure |
| 13:34.27 | petn-randall | postfix is more dutch |
| 13:34.45 | rjsalts | you know what they say about the dutch though |
| 13:35.08 | ueb | I need to configure an SMTP+POP3 mail server, for different domains, therefore with virtual domains/users |
| 13:35.22 | petn-randall | rjsalts: I'm blank, what do they say? |
| 13:35.43 | Brigo | ueb: http://workaround.org/ |
| 13:36.00 | crackerjackz | !tell crackerjackz about greenhouse |
| 13:36.02 | babilen | Please, we had this discussion at least a million times in the past. They have been summarised on pages such as http://wiki.debian.org/DefaultMTA and http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison and many many more ... |
| 13:36.17 | lokote_jones | If I wanted to thank the Debian community. How could I do it? |
| 13:36.19 | babilen | crackerjackz: Please /msg the bot ... use "/msg dpkg greenhouse" :) |
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| 13:37.59 | crackerjackz | there are some benefits to compiling software from source though |
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| 13:38.37 | rjsalts | petn-randall: never trust the dutch. I think it was about a dutch consort who tried to usurp the english throne or something |
| 13:39.06 | mumpitze1 | the english invited a dutch to be their king... |
| 13:39.08 | lokote_jones | rjsalts: That's not good to hear. I trust(ed) the Dutch. Always considered them generally stand up people. |
| 13:39.09 | petn-randall | lokote_jones: You can always just say "Thanks!" on IRC, the mailing lists or any where else. But the best way to do it is to help along with Debian ;) |
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| 13:39.43 | jelly | !donate |
| 13:39.44 | dpkg | If you like Debian and are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
| 13:39.47 | lokote_jones | petn-randall: Ok. =) Well thanks every one in here. Debian is one of the few things in my life that make me truly happy and I wish there was some way I could express how much I appreciate what all of you do. |
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| 13:39.57 | lokote_jones | dpkg: I will do so. Thanks. =) |
| 13:39.57 | dpkg | lokote_jones: wish i knew |
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| 13:41.26 | rjsalts | lokote_jones: it probably speaks more to royalty than people from the Netherlands |
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| 13:43.04 | KittyColege | I'm really struggling to go DNS port 53 available on a server. According to netstat there is dnsmasq listening on that port, however when I do an nmap on that server port 53 isn't showing up. :/ |
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| 13:44.00 | cusco | KittyColege: tcp or udp? |
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| 13:44.20 | ueb | ok I read the links you posted |
| 13:44.21 | KittyColege | cusco, Both |
| 13:44.23 | phaidros | how can I tell apt-get/aptitude to install missing dependency packages (tried aptitude reinstall gnome-desktop, but didn't succeed) |
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| 13:44.39 | ueb | http://wiki.debian.org/DefaultMTA and http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
| 13:44.43 | phaidros | goal: I want the default package selection installed again |
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| 13:44.53 | cheetahw26 | I am trying to make a modification in a "kernel-package" package, by editing one of the .mk files, after I make this modification, do I then have to like rebuild the package or does the binary check these files when running? |
| 13:45.01 | ueb | I'll go with Exim4, I think |
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| 13:45.49 | ueb | but I'm having problems configuring it for virtual domains/users |
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| 13:46.43 | KittyColege | cusco, I do have a wirewall |
| 13:46.44 | ueb | is there any good tutorial about configuring Exim4 for virtual domains/users? or somebody who could help.. |
| 13:46.47 | Artej | hi |
| 13:46.59 | KittyColege | but interface eth0:0 is set to ACCEPT everything |
| 13:47.00 | Artej | is ftp.ua.debian.org down? |
| 13:47.01 | darthanubis | ueb, google |
| 13:47.08 | Artej | can you check please |
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| 13:47.17 | ueb | yes, I used google :) |
| 13:47.25 | darthanubis | that is the best tutorial |
| 13:47.32 | KittyColege | Artej, It's down |
| 13:47.36 | darthanubis | not being funny either |
| 13:47.48 | KittyColege | not getting a ping reply |
| 13:47.54 | darthanubis | I usually start there, and find I finish there |
| 13:47.54 | Artej | KittyColege: how do I change mirror temporary? |
| 13:47.58 | darkapp | hey babilen im trying to get my vpn to work |
| 13:48.05 | KittyColege | Artej, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:48.07 | darkapp | i went to netwrok connections app |
| 13:48.25 | darkapp | and by vpn it wont let me press import, or add vpn |
| 13:48.27 | Artej | KittyColege: ty |
| 13:48.28 | KittyColege | change the au to something like us or de |
| 13:48.33 | KittyColege | Artej, ^ |
| 13:48.48 | ueb | for POP3, what do you suggest? Courier? |
| 13:49.15 | KittyColege | Artej, you will have to run apt-get update |
| 13:49.15 | vt0r | Courier and Dovecot are pretty much the gold standard for POP/IMAP |
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| 13:49.29 | vt0r | Easy to configure, mostly stable, etc |
| 13:49.44 | ueb | both Courier and Dovecot? |
| 13:49.47 | rjsalts | ueb: dovecot is probably a bit more flexible at this point |
| 13:49.50 | babilen | darkapp: Just ask the channel and not specific people. I am working right now -- That being said: Check if you have network-manager-vpnc{,-gnome} or network-manager-openvpn{,-gnome} installed. |
| 13:49.53 | vt0r | ueb, definitely not both |
| 13:49.57 | vt0r | One or the other |
| 13:49.58 | scx | ueb: dovecot |
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| 13:50.11 | ueb | ok, I'll try dovecot |
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| 13:50.29 | KittyColege | rolls eyes |
| 13:50.36 | KittyColege | this is the third day I've asked for help |
| 13:50.46 | KittyColege | I just want DNS to be available! |
| 13:50.47 | darkapp | ok thanx |
| 13:51.29 | scx | oh, hi Kitty |
| 13:51.34 | KittyColege | heyy |
| 13:51.47 | KittyColege | driving me insane :( |
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| 13:52.49 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
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| 13:53.00 | HelenaKitty | venkat_330, Do I know u? :o |
| 13:53.01 | apm1 | darkapp, apt-get install network-manager |
| 13:53.05 | darthanubis | HelenaKitty, you do realize this is FREE support right? |
| 13:53.12 | HelenaKitty | darthanubis, Yes |
| 13:53.15 | darthanubis | take it down a notch |
| 13:53.39 | HelenaKitty | It's just people ditch me and I wouldn't ditch them. |
| 13:53.47 | darthanubis | it is not personal |
| 13:53.57 | darthanubis | ppl have lives |
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| 13:54.03 | HelenaKitty | darthanubis, SO do I |
| 13:54.21 | darthanubis | then you should know how to comport yourself |
| 13:54.29 | apm1 | you sound like the kind of women *nixers we don't want |
| 13:54.49 | marsje | ok, to the point, what is exactly the problem HelenaKitty? |
| 13:54.50 | Psy-Q | what is the current strategy for Ruby in Debian? e.g. Ruby 2.0.0 is now out, and wheezy ships with 1.9.3 -- could there be separate 2.0.0 packages in the future or is that something for backports to take care of? |
| 13:54.51 | HelenaKitty | apm1, Why? O.o |
| 13:54.59 | HelenaKitty | marsje, Like I said... |
| 13:55.01 | HelenaKitty | the DNS port |
| 13:55.03 | apm1 | !anal |
| 13:55.03 | dpkg | anal is, like, a kind of sex, which is very nice for men who love other men.!, or another way to say anal retentive, or the #debian channel in general, in which hostility is quite often the response. |
| 13:55.15 | ueb | for auth, I could use text files or mysql... what do you suggest? |
| 13:55.20 | HelenaKitty | netstat is showing something is listen on that port which is how I want it but it's not available from outside the box. |
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| 13:55.31 | HelenaKitty | that's according to nmap anyway |
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| 13:56.04 | Psy-Q | HelenaKitty: do you have iptables or some other firewall blocking the port? |
| 13:56.06 | HelenaKitty | dnsmasq binds to the eth0:0 interface which the firewall ACCEPTS everything on |
| 13:56.06 | marsje | HelenaKitty: can you paste the one line of netstat? |
| 13:56.10 | Psy-Q | aha |
| 13:56.13 | HelenaKitty | Psy-Q, iptables |
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| 13:56.21 | petn-randall | HelenaKitty: You've already been hanging out here for quite a while, right? Paste us the output of netstat -npl please. |
| 13:56.28 | babilen | apm1: Please refrain from potentially offensive statements like this in the future. It is totally unacceptable, not helpful nor wanted in this channel. |
| 13:56.50 | ueb | for auth and virtual domains, what do you suggest, files or mysql ? |
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| 13:57.30 | petn-randall | apm1: actually, the "women" in your statement is superfluous. |
| 13:57.39 | Psy-Q | ueb: i'd never trust mysql with authenticating anything |
| 13:57.48 | HelenaKitty | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/4328/ |
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| 13:57.57 | HelenaKitty | Psy-Q, The firewall is vital. |
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| 13:58.27 | Psy-Q | HelenaKitty: you could pastebin iptables -L as well, along with netstat -npl |
| 13:58.36 | mumpitze1 | HelenaKitty: you could still disable the firewall completely for testing purposes, no? |
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| 13:58.46 | HelenaKitty | mumpitze1, no |
| 13:58.48 | marsje | HelenaKitty: maybe run netstat as root? |
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| 13:59.12 | petn-randall | HelenaKitty: the bound interfaces look fine, I guess it's a firewall issue. |
| 13:59.27 | petn-randall | HelenaKitty: Can you paste the output of 'iptables -L -vn'? |
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| 14:00.37 | HelenaKitty | the only things in the firewall are what I've put there. |
| 14:00.38 | HelenaKitty | http://paste.debian.net/4329/ |
| 14:00.42 | marsje | HelenaKitty: you say running nmap from outside shows a closed port, but what if you run nmap against localhost? is it the same or different? |
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| 14:01.55 | petn-randall | HelenaKitty: Your iptables says you're not letting port 53 through. If you look closely, you'll notice that the 'in eth0:0' never matches. |
| 14:02.02 | cavalheiro | hi, someone can help me with a logged reboot to know the issue that make it? |
| 14:02.10 | _melvin_ | Hi. i have a question to unattanded-upgrade on squeeze. do i need to change the config on every squeeze installation from "stable" to "oldstable" or is there any other way to use the codename instead of the suite name? |
| 14:02.10 | babilen | HelenaKitty: Please be aware that you really should behave this time around. Show respect, realise that we are all volunteers and be grateful if you are being helped. Don't push it. |
| 14:02.18 | HelenaKitty | petn-randall, dude |
| 14:02.24 | dash00 | hi guys, could somebody help me with "Terms and conditions" for US market? Just few stupid questions. PM me, thanks alot. |
| 14:02.38 | petn-randall | _melvin_: Don't use 'stable', use 'wheezy' or 'squeeze' if you have to. |
| 14:02.38 | HelenaKitty | I told iptables to let everything on and out on the eth0:0 interface. |
| 14:03.02 | HelenaKitty | s/on/in |
| 14:03.07 | _melvin_ | petn-randall, i tried that, but unattend-upgrades seams not to unterstand it |
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| 14:03.09 | petn-randall | HelenaKitty: Look at the packet number, it never matches! |
| 14:03.23 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 14:03.27 | HelenaKitty | petn-randall, pls can u help me? |
| 14:03.36 | HelenaKitty | iptables drives me crazy :( |
| 14:03.36 | petn-randall | dash00: How is this relevant to Debian? |
| 14:03.41 | marsje | dash00: what terms and conditions? |
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| 14:04.12 | _melvin_ | HelenaKitty, try shorewall |
| 14:04.14 | dash00 | petn-randall, not so much, I'm just searching for somebody from US |
| 14:04.15 | HelenaKitty | babilen, What? |
| 14:04.18 | ueb | LDAP is better ?? |
| 14:04.19 | HelenaKitty | _melvin_, no |
| 14:04.23 | marsje | likes shorewall |
| 14:04.38 | cavalheiro | i looked to reboot issue in \var\log\messages, syslog, kern and debug but i can't find why my server booted! Someone help? |
| 14:05.37 | marsje | cavalheiro: could it be a hardware issue? or a power issue? |
| 14:05.51 | mar77i | so |
| 14:05.58 | jelly | HelenaKitty: "eth0:0" is just a courtesy name for a secondary IP address. Any iptables rules still need to apply to eth0 device. |
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| 14:06.11 | HelenaKitty | jelly, they can't apply to eth0 |
| 14:06.15 | HelenaKitty | that goes out to the WAN |
| 14:06.16 | cavalheiro | i looked at the logs, but no related info about hardware |
| 14:06.22 | jelly | HelenaKitty: "can't?" |
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| 14:06.30 | mar77i | I'm not sure if you got this earlier post of me: <mar77i>hello #debian, I am having a question to dpkg. I have a script that evaluates dependencies based on /var/lib/dpkg/info/.../*.shlib files... now there seem to be too many packages (I guess I have removed some sources from APT since) |
| 14:06.31 | HelenaKitty | so it has to be on eth0:0 instead |
| 14:06.38 | HelenaKitty | jelly, as in it's dangerous to do so |
| 14:07.01 | cavalheiro | marsje: i cant see anything about faults in my logs |
| 14:07.08 | cavalheiro | just something about ACPI |
| 14:07.09 | jelly | HelenaKitty: I'm explaining how things work. They don't work the way you want them to. You will need to fix your rules. |
| 14:07.10 | mar77i | but I solved the issue with dpkg --forget-old-unavail |
| 14:07.12 | phaidros | HelenaKitty: I dont know much about iptables, but it sounds you want to work with vlans instead |
| 14:07.23 | petn-randall | dash00: This is a debian support channel. You might have better luck finding your answer in a more appropriate channel. Good luck :) |
| 14:07.30 | HelenaKitty | petn-randall, ? |
| 14:07.33 | HelenaKitty | er... |
| 14:07.38 | HelenaKitty | mishighlight |
| 14:07.39 | HelenaKitty | phaidros, ? |
| 14:07.40 | dash00 | petn-randall, ;) |
| 14:07.42 | marsje | cavalheiro: I mean, when you pull the plug of the machine and then plug it in again, you will not see anything in your logs, except that it booted |
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| 14:07.48 | HelenaKitty | I wanted to work with VNs originally |
| 14:07.49 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 14:07.51 | HelenaKitty | VMs |
| 14:08.10 | petn-randall | takes away HelenaKitty's enter key. |
| 14:08.44 | HelenaKitty | jelly, I really need dnsmasq only available to the LAN. |
| 14:09.42 | phaidros | HelenaKitty: try: /join #iptables |
| 14:09.42 | jelly | HelenaKitty: then configure your input rules to allow traffic towards that service only from lan |
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| 14:09.59 | phaidros | or what jelly says :) |
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| 14:10.12 | jelly | asking in #iptables might be a better idea yes |
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| 14:10.31 | phaidros | HelenaKitty: allow LAN => ETH0 |
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| 14:13.03 | tyzef | hi all ! i freshly(today) installed debian wheezy + kde. I don't know how to connect internet. I have only a 3G modem mobil broadband. Thank you ! |
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| 14:13.39 | babilen | tyzef: How did you install KDE? |
| 14:13.48 | mumpitze1 | tyzef: check the USB ID of the modem and look for linux drivers/howto |
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| 14:15.26 | babilen | tyzef: I don't know much about KDE, but you would typically configure 3G connections through network-manager (which also takes care of wireless and ethernet) -- On KDE you probably need/want network-manager-kde or plasma-widget-networkmanagement (or both) -- That assumes that the device itself is supported and works. |
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| 14:15.28 | tyzef | babilen I installed debian with this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 14:15.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell tyzef -about 3g |
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| 14:16.16 | tyzef | yes babylen I don't have network manager on my debian |
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| 14:16.25 | babilen | tyzef: What does "lsusb" give you with that modem plugged in? |
| 14:16.48 | tyzef | mumpitze1, thank, I all ready cleared this part |
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| 14:17.10 | babilen | tyzef: Ah, how do you configure your network connections? Which image exactly did you use and would using network-manager be an option? You can probably also use tools such as wvdial, but i am not too familiar with those. |
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| 14:17.19 | jelly | hm, kde ought to come with a networkmanager plasma widget |
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| 14:18.06 | babilen | thought so too |
| 14:18.38 | tyzef | actually I am using a ubuntu live cd to connect on internet. then when I boot on my debian, I don't have any internet connection |
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| 14:19.08 | apm1 | tyzef, can you chroot into your debian install ? |
| 14:19.12 | themill | n-m and modem-manager thingies might not be on CD1 though |
| 14:19.18 | apm1 | they are not |
| 14:19.24 | apm1 | they are on dvd1 |
| 14:19.25 | babilen | tyzef: So, which image exactly did you use? How did you install KDE? |
| 14:19.36 | cheetahw26 | when using make-kpkg, I am getting an error reading the UTS release version does not match the current version... strange the UTS Release version shows what I want, i.e. Linux Kernel, plus my identification text, but Current version does not any more for some reason... |
| 14:19.53 | cheetahw26 | I'm wondering where kpkg is getting the Current Version from? |
| 14:20.38 | tyzef | I exactly used this image : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 14:21.04 | babilen | cheetahw26: I believe that make-kpkg has been obsoleted by the methods discussed in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html -- why do you have to compile a kernel in the first place though? |
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| 14:22.03 | babilen | tyzef: Okay, as noted that image does not seem to contain everything you need to install a complete KDE system. Did you configure your network connection during the installation? |
| 14:22.05 | cheetahw26 | eh... real long story, trying to fix a franken-debian :) |
| 14:22.25 | babilen | tyzef: That being said: Just connect to the internet and install network-manager-kde |
| 14:22.38 | cheetahw26 | and unfortunately it's mostly Lenny and the steps in that link are not valid for this |
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| 14:22.52 | babilen | cheetahw26: oh, ... lenny ... frankendebian ... |
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| 14:23.23 | babilen | cheetahw26: I guess we'll have to see the actual output, but I am not too much of a specialist in make-kpkg. It's been years since I last used it. |
| 14:23.26 | cheetahw26 | after numerous hours I believe I'm just about done... just can't remember where this Current Version is coming from, it's not uname -r, because that shows correctly |
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| 14:24.03 | babilen | cheetahw26: Would it, perhaps, be easier, faster and better™ to install wheezy from scratch and migrate whatever services you are running to the new system? |
| 14:24.22 | tyzef | no babilen, I can't config my 3g modem easlly by the install... to config my 3G modem, I have to install 5 diffrents .deb |
| 14:24.38 | tyzef | after install |
| 14:24.41 | babilen | tyzef: Okay, and you have no other way to connect to the internet? |
| 14:24.54 | tyzef | no babilen |
| 14:25.00 | cheetahw26 | echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "2.6.36-mydistro+lenny.11" does not match current version: "2.6.36"" |
| 14:25.30 | jelly | mydistro, ehhhh |
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| 14:25.49 | cheetahw26 | eh... first thing I mentioned :) however there is allegedly some proprietary drivers built for custom hardware that need to be ported to newer versions of gcc first |
| 14:26.24 | babilen | That's unfortunate .. Well, using a 3G modem is discussed on http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G and you might want to consider installing network-manager-kde and its dependencies manually. A tool called apt-zip might help with that, but I would generally strongly recommend to either use a large enough image (such as DVD1) that would install everything you actually need or make sure you have a working internet connection during the installation. |
| 14:27.36 | jelly | cheetahw26: care to show the whole output of make-kpkg? |
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| 14:28.01 | cheetahw26 | there was an issue with the UTS Release not showing anything, but I found out that was because utsrelease.h was moved fro linux/ to generated/ ... so I changed the makevars.mk file to reflect this and ran again, however that didn't work, so I just copied the utsrelease.h into the linux directory |
| 14:28.11 | petn-randall | cheetahw26: You can either download the DVD1 and configure apt to source the DVD, or, which might be easier, you just go somewhere with wired internet and install the missing packages. |
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| 14:28.39 | cheetahw26 | would... however I don't even have remote access to this box, so I'm currently on the terminal itself :) |
| 14:28.40 | tyzef | babilen problem is I have not so much internet. I also don't have unlimitted internet, I am in Maldives actually |
| 14:28.42 | petn-randall | woops, this is for your tyzef ^^ |
| 14:28.52 | babilen | petn-randall: I guess that you end up with network-manager-kde isntalled if you isntall KDE from DVD1 |
| 14:29.26 | cheetahw26 | oh... it has an internet connection... however it's a messed up distro, with half lenny packages and half squeeze... |
| 14:29.33 | petn-randall | babilen: I'm just thinking it's easier to source the DVD on an installed system than to reinstall again. |
| 14:29.35 | babilen | tyzef: Okay, in that case: Take a look at apt-zip and let it download the dependencies of network-manager-kde for you. |
| 14:29.44 | tyzef | to download one dvd is expensive for me |
| 14:29.55 | babilen | petn-randall: Oh, right ... yeah, good approach. Totally didn't think of that :) |
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| 14:30.10 | babilen | petn-randall: If it weren't for the case that tyzef can't just download a DVD image. |
| 14:30.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell tyzef about apt-zip |
| 14:30.27 | cheetahw26 | anyway... I am aware that this situation sucks and agree that it should be ported to wheezy, however I don't have that option right now... and am just curious where kernel-package or make-kpkg is getting that Current Version from |
| 14:30.43 | jelly | don't they have a nice university on maldives with internet accesses |
| 14:30.44 | petn-randall | tyzef: If bandwidth is limited, the apt-zip approach babilen mentioned is probably the best way to do it. |
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| 14:31.19 | babilen | tyzef: You have to download that manually from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/apt-zip install it with "dpkg -i apt-zip*.deb" and then follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 14:31.29 | petn-randall | cheetahw26: I don't think anyone in here wants to touch a frankendebian of lenny/squeeze even with a 10-foot pole ... |
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| 14:32.07 | cheetahw26 | not asking for that :) but if anyone knows where the CurrentVersion is coming from, that would be helpful |
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| 14:33.49 | jelly | cheetahw26: pastebin the whole make-kpkg output, including the command line used. Also, dpkg -l libc6 dpkg kernel-package initramfs-tools |
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| 14:34.01 | babilen | tyzef: That would allow you to download dependencies of network-manager-kde on a computer with network accessibility - apt-zip generates a script to download everything you need. You can, naturally, also download the packages in question manually. It *might* be better to use wvdial to get online first (as it certainly doesn't have as many dependencies as network-manager-kde), connect via 3G and install network-manager-kde once you are online. |
| 14:34.40 | babilen | tyzef: A totally different approach would be to go to an internet café and download DVD1 there or bring your computer and install the packages once online. |
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| 14:34.48 | cheetahw26 | only have terminal access now... so pastebin isn't so easy, I can tell you the versions of libc6, etc... though |
| 14:34.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell tyzef -about wvdial |
| 14:35.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell cheetahw26 -about nopaste |
| 14:35.08 | jelly | cheetahw26: didn't you say you had network working on the machine? |
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| 14:35.38 | cheetahw26 | I do... but I'd have to do some work to get ssh on |
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| 14:36.14 | cheetahw26 | oh nice... never knew about nopaste |
| 14:36.20 | jelly | cheetahw26: why ssh? Just run things inside script, then cat typescript (or whatever the file name) | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 14:37.17 | jelly | nopaste is alright as well but installing more crap might not be easy on such a system |
| 14:37.55 | cheetahw26 | good idea... I often initially think of the most difficult way to do things first and overlook these thanks :) |
| 14:38.23 | tyzef | I think babilen, we can let try for wvdial. Sorry, have you a link with wvdial .deb ? |
| 14:41.34 | tyzef | babilen, only this .deb is in off ? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/wvdial/download |
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| 14:49.04 | Guest38742 | Hello. I can't install Wheezy 64 bit DVD1. I downloaded ISO - the sha256sum is OK. Used Unetbootin to create a bootable usb drive. Installer starts, but I get an error: does not contain valid 'Release' file. Then CD not detected. What should I do? |
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| 14:51.29 | babilen | Guest38742: Unetbootin is known to break our images. |
| 14:51.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell Guest38742 -about usb install |
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| 14:51.57 | Guest38742 | Ah, thank you babilen - I tried the Ubuntu installer too, that failed. What package should I use? |
| 14:52.01 | babilen | Guest38742: Follow the instructions in the installation guide or use win32diskimager on Windows. |
| 14:52.15 | babilen | Guest38742: did you get the message the bot sent you? |
| 14:52.44 | Guest38742 | No bot message, babilen - i will have a look at the instructions on the page. I wonder why unetbootin does that... |
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| 14:55.26 | bolt | so i had a stuck nfs share. df would hang continously. i closed the window it was running in, since ctrl+c and ctrl+z did nothing. i've since unmounted the share forcefully. the df process is still there hanging, and kill -9 doesn't even touch it. how do i get rid of the damn process? |
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| 14:56.57 | Warp4 | bolt, try using pkill |
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| 14:58.02 | Guest38742 | babilen - the web page says i can just copy the image to the USB and it will work like that. Never seen that before. I will try it. |
| 14:59.04 | bolt | Warp4: no effect from that either |
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| 14:59.27 | Warp4 | bolt, you logged into that session via ssh? |
| 14:59.44 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: THere are a few things that only a reboot will clear, even in linux. This is one of them. |
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| 15:00.23 | bolt | Warp4: once, yes. i have a few different cases of this occurring now. df is used by a script i run quite often |
| 15:00.42 | babilen | Guest38742: yes, our images are hybrid images that allow you to do exactly that. The general command on Linux is "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick (check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in to check what to use there) |
| 15:00.52 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 15:00.53 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 15:01.06 | babilen | Guest38742: ^^^^ That's the message the bot sent you. |
| 15:01.23 | Guest38742 | what does the sync do? Which directory must I be in to issue the sync command, babilen? |
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| 15:02.30 | Guest38742 | oh, thanks, babilen - i got the dpkg bot message... |
| 15:02.34 | babilen | Guest38742: The sync command simply ensures that all data is written to the USB stick (linux does not immediately sync all writes to the disk, but might keep some "pending" changes in memory for performance reasons) |
| 15:03.01 | Warp4 | bolt, hmm, try sshing into the box again and then killing the sshd session that you are having the problem in |
| 15:03.08 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: shouldn't there be some magic way of just not continuing that process? like, a superkill something that just stops everything that has anything to do with it whatsoever? |
| 15:03.11 | Warp4 | bolt, that usually works for me whenever i have an issue like that |
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| 15:03.57 | Guest38742 | Debian is great, isn't it babilen? And Wheezy had a lot of work for a long time and is now considered stable. I look forward to trying it. |
| 15:04.04 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: Perhaps there should be, but there isn't. |
| 15:04.12 | babilen | Guest38742: I hope you enjoy it :) |
| 15:04.24 | Guest38742 | are you a developer, babilen? |
| 15:04.31 | jhutchins_wk | Warp4: A hung process on a dropped network share is likely to defeat you. |
| 15:07.43 | babilen | Guest38742: Not a Debian Developer, but I contribute to Debian as a Debian Maintainer ... |
| 15:08.29 | themill | wonders what's taking babilen so long |
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| 15:10.14 | Cyclohexane | babilen: what is a debian maintainer? |
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| 15:10.40 | themill | Cyclohexane: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer |
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| 15:10.50 | Iridos | bolt, sure, there's kill -9 ... but if a process is waiting for "hardware" and stuck in it, nothing really can free it |
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| 15:12.48 | zagabar | hello! I had a squeeze debian server and since wheezy was announced as the new stable, i upgraded but since then i've had a few issues. firstly, the wlan0 device which is used to provide internet connection sharing through an ad hoc wireless network stopped working |
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| 15:13.10 | zagabar | it seems that when i connect with my laptops, they try to get an IPV6 address through the DHCP |
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| 15:13.21 | sh1shm1sh | hi all |
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| 15:13.22 | zagabar | before wheezy it worked straight away |
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| 15:13.58 | light_ | What's a good choice for text-to-speech software? |
| 15:14.07 | zagabar | and if i look in ifconfig, i can see that wlan0 has both an ipv6 and an ipv4 address. perhaps i need to shut off ipv6 somehow? although i have tried that but failed to do it properly |
| 15:14.11 | zagabar | any ideas? |
| 15:14.38 | Onixs | ddd |
| 15:15.07 | Dagger2 | all interfaces will have a link-local v6 address beginning with fe80::. you can ignore it, it does no harm to anything |
| 15:15.33 | zagabar | i see |
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| 15:15.43 | zagabar | but the error i get when connecting to the ad hoc network is kernel: [ 1253.257104] wlan0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 15:15.55 | Dagger2 | yeah, that's not a problem either |
| 15:16.13 | zagabar | okay. any idea then what might cause it to suddenly not working or what i should look for? |
| 15:16.15 | Dagger2 | just means the kernel did a router solicitation and didn't get a response |
| 15:16.45 | sh1shm1sh | is there a way to force package dependencies to resolve differently from what was specified in package? ie. i'm trying to install puppet-common from default apt repo, and it has this in header: Depends: ruby | ruby-interpreter, libxmlrpc-ruby, libopenssl-ruby, libshadow-rub |
| 15:16.46 | sh1shm1sh | y1.8 | ruby-shadow, libaugeas-ruby1.8 | libaugeas-ruby1.9, adduser, lsb-base, sy |
| 15:16.46 | sh1shm1sh | sv-rc (>= 2.86) | file-rc, hiera (>= 1.0.0), facter (>= 1.6.12). the problem arises because on wheezy, ruby1.9.1 is default, however, this package wants to install 1.8 libraries, and it does, effectively breaking itself (it requires 1.9.1 version in order to work properly, but installs libaugeas-ruby1.8) |
| 15:16.56 | Dagger2 | negative, I'm just here to jump on people blaming IPv6 for things that aren't its fault :p |
| 15:17.10 | Dagger2 | I've never done an ad-hoc wireless network on Linux |
| 15:17.10 | sh1shm1sh | oops, sorry for multiline, didn't realize irc client would break it like that :( |
| 15:17.44 | zagabar | Dagger2: alright, fair enough :) |
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| 15:17.50 | sh1shm1sh | s/default apt repo/official puppet repo/ |
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| 15:19.11 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: no. You could download the binary deb packages, and fix them. |
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| 15:19.34 | themill | sh1shm1sh: install the dependencies you want out of those optional dependencies in the same apt run should be enough; if not, install them first |
| 15:19.54 | tuxcrafter | i upgraded to debian 7.0 but the upgrade to php5 broke some drupal6 installations |
| 15:19.59 | sh1shm1sh | jelly: what makes it install older version? order in which they were listed in Depends property? |
| 15:20.01 | jelly | oh, I didn't even notice alternative deps in all that stuff |
| 15:20.01 | tuxcrafter | and i want to downgrade back to php4 |
| 15:20.09 | tuxcrafter | but i cant find a binary in debian 7 |
| 15:20.14 | themill | tuxcrafter: /msg dpkg pal me |
| 15:20.16 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: yes. Do what themill said |
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| 15:20.32 | sh1shm1sh | themill: tried that, it didn't work.. like I didn't install package at all |
| 15:21.08 | themill | sh1shm1sh: can you put it all in a pastebin so we can see it? |
| 15:21.08 | sh1shm1sh | themill, jelly: I'll try again on clean install |
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| 15:21.18 | sh1shm1sh | themill: sure |
| 15:21.18 | tuxcrafter | themill: not fun :D someone made some really crappy websites |
| 15:21.26 | chipotle | hi, i have to use debian 6 for internap's cloud server... i want to use php5-fpm, and that isn't built into the php package. so what do you suggest? i know that using dotdeb is frowned upon and i don't want a broken system, but i really don't want to compile. any other options? |
| 15:21.31 | jelly | !tell sh1shm1sh about bat |
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| 15:21.54 | jelly | ... it's not really relevant, but I couldn't resist the pun |
| 15:22.11 | themill | tuxcrafter: php4 was abandoned upstream 4 or 5 years ago now. If you have stuff that still doesn't work with php5 then you have other problems |
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| 15:22.31 | themill | chipotle: php5-fpm is in wheezy |
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| 15:23.03 | tuxcrafter | themill: drupals offical point of view was that drupal6 was designed in when php5 wasnt there yet and they wont support it |
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| 15:23.46 | LordShiva | I have weird problem with liquorix kernel 3.8 actually with any kernel version 3.8 I have also complied my kernel 3.8 + zen + bfs patch and problem exist again |
| 15:23.55 | jelly | tuxcrafter: uh, drupal 6 is from 2008 |
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| 15:24.07 | LordShiva | problem is that my machine start to swap too early |
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| 15:24.54 | LordShiva | I have put vm.swappiness=2 but my machine start too swap extremly when I have around 2900mb free |
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| 15:25.01 | LordShiva | I have 8 GB Ram |
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| 15:25.23 | Alamo777_ | Hello all! Should i worry about this exploit for debian? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=962792 Should i patch it and how? |
| 15:25.36 | LordShiva | The same happen even if I put vm swappiness=0 |
| 15:25.39 | jelly | LordShiva: which apps do you have running? |
| 15:26.14 | LordShiva | firefox 20 Gajim few players Clementine quodlibet vlc ... |
| 15:26.22 | LordShiva | Different times different apps |
| 15:26.26 | chipotle | themill is wheezy stable? |
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| 15:26.35 | jelly | Alamo777_: /msg dpkg cve lookup CVE-2013-2094 |
| 15:26.46 | themill | chipotle: yes |
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| 15:26.58 | Alamo777_ | jelly, ok just a second i boot up my machine! |
| 15:27.17 | jelly | huh? |
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| 15:27.35 | jelly | Alamo777_: that's a line to type in your irc client |
| 15:27.38 | fatalerrors_ | i have just created a new user on my debian |
| 15:27.39 | chipotle | themill cool! but it doesn't look like internap supports wheezy either :( |
| 15:27.44 | chipotle | what options do i have for debian 6? |
| 15:27.50 | fatalerrors_ | but can't run any script |
| 15:28.00 | themill | chipotle: don't use php5-fpm? |
| 15:28.06 | fatalerrors_ | got a permission denied |
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| 15:28.08 | chipotle | themill heh, i need to :/ |
| 15:28.13 | fatalerrors_ | what's wrong ? |
| 15:28.14 | LordShiva | jelly, It usually swaps when I'm using firefox but sometimes also swaps when I'm watching a movie |
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| 15:28.33 | sh1shm1sh | themill, jelly: http://paste.debian.net/4353/ |
| 15:28.44 | Alamo777_ | jelly, oh right:) just a moment |
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| 15:28.55 | sh1shm1sh | this is clean wheezy install, minimal |
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| 15:29.05 | jelly | LordShiva: i s'pose it's a single cpu-socket machine? |
| 15:29.08 | Alamo777_ | jelly, ok what is this? |
| 15:29.26 | jelly | Alamo777_: follow the link dpkg gave you. |
| 15:29.37 | sh1shm1sh | the only packages i installed are dropbear and libaugeas-ruby1.9.1 |
| 15:29.53 | LordShiva | jelly, no its 4 cores machine AMD APU 3670k |
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| 15:30.43 | Trae32566-NE | LOL |
| 15:30.54 | Trewas | LordShiva: easy fix to excessive swapping is to disable swap, but only if you have enough RAM that running out of memory is not likely |
| 15:31.06 | Trae32566-NE | just got a good laugh: ssh -XC == xtreme compression |
| 15:31.08 | jelly | LordShiva: ok, I won't even mention my theory about numa then |
| 15:31.27 | jelly | Trae32566-NE: that's not what -X means... |
| 15:31.30 | LordShiva | jelly, about numa ? |
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| 15:31.35 | Trae32566-NE | yes, this is the joke. |
| 15:31.40 | jelly | LordShiva: I said I won't mention it! |
| 15:31.41 | Alamo777_ | jelly, dear jelly i am new, i never did any patching, what should i do wit it? |
| 15:31.51 | LordShiva | I have disabled swap for now |
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| 15:32.39 | zeeflo | what can I do to install debian on a remote server via ssh ? |
| 15:32.44 | jelly | Alamo777_: did you read the web page? It basically says debian knows the kernel in wheezy is vulnerable, and presumably they're going to fix it |
| 15:33.14 | Alamo777_ | jelly, yes i get that, but i dont understand if i do something from my side? |
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| 15:33.51 | jelly | Alamo777_: wait for the fix to appear. Subscribe to DSA (debian security announcements) if you wish |
| 15:33.53 | LordShiva | jelly, ok |
| 15:34.11 | Alamo777_ | jelly, so when it will be fixed i simply have to update and upgrade thats it? |
| 15:34.17 | jelly | Alamo777_: yes |
| 15:34.31 | jelly | ... and reboot |
| 15:34.42 | zeeflo | jelly: can you paste the url youre talking about? |
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| 15:34.54 | jelly | zeeflo: /msg dpkg cve lookup CVE-2013-2094 |
| 15:34.57 | Alamo777_ | jelly, oh ok thanks so much for explaining, i though when there is an exploit i have to do something like go to some files add some changes into them |
| 15:35.06 | chipotle | i, i have to use debian 6 for internap's cloud server... i want to use php5-fpm, and that isn't built into the php package. so what do you suggest? i know that using dotdeb is frowned upon and i don't want a broken system, but i really don't want to compile. any other options? |
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| 15:35.32 | Alamo777_ | anyone here uses sheevaplug stuff? What is this for basically? Should i buy that thing? |
| 15:35.54 | jelly | zeeflo: yet another local root exploit, it seems |
| 15:36.17 | sh1shm1sh | jelly: could you take a look at paste and outputs? |
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| 15:36.49 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: that's a bit more dpkg -l than I asked for... |
| 15:36.50 | zeeflo | jelly, i see it fixed in deb6. But with 2.6 kernel. The vulnerablity is not only concerning wheezy is it? Is it not concerning kernel 3.2 ? |
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| 15:37.18 | jelly | zeeflo: it says Debian/stablepackage linux is vulnerable. |
| 15:37.27 | jelly | in red! |
| 15:37.39 | jelly | also, jessie, wheezy3.2.41-2vulnerable |
| 15:37.45 | jelly | in red as well! |
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| 15:38.03 | codepython7771 | how do i install flashplugin-nonfree on wheezy? |
| 15:38.05 | zeeflo | well, its a kernel thing right? |
| 15:38.12 | jelly | zeeflo: yes it's a kernel thing. |
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| 15:38.26 | jelly | zeeflo: "linux" is the name of the source package for kernels. |
| 15:38.31 | zeeflo | ah ok |
| 15:38.44 | joachimhs | Do anyone have an opinion about Xen vs. KVM, when all or the guest OSes are likely to be Debian? |
| 15:39.04 | zeeflo | only 1 of my servers are 3.2.. And its not a critical server.. the rest runs deb6 2.6 kernel |
| 15:39.25 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: I'd install ruby-shadow and libaugeas-ruby1.9 first, I guess |
| 15:39.44 | sh1shm1sh | jelly let me try |
| 15:40.04 | zeeflo | joachimhs: were using xen! Easy to use, never had a problem with it.. |
| 15:40.09 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: assuming you have ruby 1.9 installed already |
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| 15:40.54 | joachimhs | zeeflo: OK. Thanks. Is there any drawbacks with the fact that KVM is sort of baked into the kernel ? |
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| 15:40.55 | mtn | codepython7771: what have you tried? it should be very easy. |
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| 15:41.33 | zeeflo | codepython7771: you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to have non-free and contrib in it.. Then you do an apt-get update, and then an apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree or what ever they call it |
| 15:42.00 | Alamo777_ | jelly, how i can try that exploit on my webserver i have? Is there any manual? |
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| 15:42.38 | sh1shm1sh | jelly: hmm, it says that libaugeas-ruby1.9 has no installation candidate, which kind of makes sense, since that exact package really doesn't exist |
| 15:43.05 | zeeflo | joachimhs: I dont know.. The only thing I can say is that applications in the debian repo's are only there if they are well tested etc.. If you can get it with apt-get, youre not likely to exploit your system in any way |
| 15:43.08 | sh1shm1sh | jelly, but 1.9.1 does, just as well as libaugeas-ruby (without version, it depends on 1.9.1), etc. |
| 15:43.25 | sh1shm1sh | so it's a package problem.. guess i'll have to report it to package maintainers |
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| 15:43.31 | joachimhs | zeeflo: OK :) |
| 15:43.38 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: pretty much |
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| 15:49.49 | jelly | Alamo777_: I'm not sure you should run code like that blindly if you can't understand what it does |
| 15:50.02 | Lis | hello everyone, how do i change the gdm3 backgroud image? |
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| 15:52.45 | Elements_of_inst | anyone how i can know what does the netstat -anl table means? It gives some output but i dont understand what thats all mean |
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| 15:55.28 | zeeflo | !bumping my question about : what can I do to install debian on a remote server via ssh ? |
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| 15:56.25 | crackerjackz | zeeflo i bet ##linux would know |
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| 15:57.02 | somiaj | zeeflo: the debian installer contains an ssh server |
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| 15:57.28 | somiaj | zeeflo: it does provided someone to set it up on the server though, so you need someone to physically do like 5 steps of the install to setup the server, from there you can ssh to do the rest |
| 15:57.44 | somiaj | zeeflo: the other option is to build a preeseed, and then all you need is someone to boot the instaler |
| 15:57.48 | zeeflo | Elements_of_inst: the -n tells the command not to resolve names, the -l tells the command to display the sockets your connections are listening on, and the -a displays all sockets-- |
| 15:57.56 | crackerjackz | zeeflo, i've actually installed gentoo over ssh before from upstairs but i had to physically put the cd in the computer downstairs... i'm not sure how you would go about it with no physical access at all |
| 15:58.28 | zeeflo | im pretty sure it MUST be possible to do this completely remotely without access to a machine.. |
| 15:58.41 | crackerjackz | im sure its possible |
| 15:58.47 | zeeflo | somehow creating an install image, and tell boot to read it on boot time |
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| 15:58.54 | zeeflo | using d-i commands |
| 15:59.05 | somiaj | zeeflo: at some point you have to put in the boot media and tell the machine to boot off of it. Depending on the bios there may need to be physical acess |
| 15:59.12 | zeeflo | somiaj: no |
| 15:59.23 | zeeflo | you dont have to! |
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| 15:59.36 | somiaj | zeeflo: but yes a preseed can control the whole install process, once you set up a preseed boot image, then just boot the server from it |
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| 16:00.01 | zeeflo | and connect to it via ssh when it starts pinging |
| 16:00.04 | chipotle | how do i see if a package is installed? |
| 16:00.06 | zeeflo | yea.. something like that |
| 16:00.27 | somiaj | chipotle: dpkg -l package_name, though I like dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 16:00.27 | crackerjackz | chipotle, type part of the package name and press tab... see if it autocompletes |
| 16:00.32 | mtn | chipotle: man dpkg or aptitude or apt-get |
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| 16:00.51 | zeeflo | hmm.. i gotta google the this |
| 16:01.32 | crackerjackz | zeeflo, what is installed on the server right now? |
| 16:01.42 | zeeflo | on the target? |
| 16:01.51 | zeeflo | debian 6 |
| 16:02.07 | zeeflo | no 7 |
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| 16:02.13 | crackerjackz | and you want to replace it with something else? |
| 16:02.22 | zeeflo | no |
| 16:02.29 | crackerjackz | what do you want to do exactly? |
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| 16:03.13 | zeeflo | do a fresh install of debian on a server using ssh |
| 16:03.18 | zeeflo | like i wrote |
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| 16:03.54 | Tjati | Hi There. Installating new debian server (LAMPP) with two hard disk, 20 GB and 80 GB with 1 GB RAM. Do you recommend a swap partition? if yes, which size? |
| 16:04.00 | txomon|home | invoke-rc.d vs service ? |
| 16:04.02 | txomon|home | anyone knows which should be used¿? |
| 16:04.10 | txomon|home | Tjati, ram's size |
| 16:04.14 | txomon|home | I would configure lvm |
| 16:04.22 | sh1shm1sh | jelly, does order of alternatives in Depends section of .deb matter? |
| 16:04.30 | crackerjackz | zeeflo, are you using RAID on the server? |
| 16:04.31 | zeeflo | Tjati: half the ram size, minimum 2gb |
| 16:04.39 | zeeflo | crackerjackz: yes, but its hardware raid |
| 16:05.03 | Mysterytrain | um I'm having a bit of a freeze...I want to avoid installing recommends when using apt-get, where do I change this? |
| 16:05.34 | jhutchins_wk | Tjati: That's going to be a fairly limited server with that little RAM. |
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| 16:05.45 | somiaj | zeeflo: as I said if you don't want someone to do the few things required to set up the debian installer to run over ssh, you need to build a preseed to do the install. But if you are doing a preseed you can actually do the whole install via a preseed and not need ssh at all. |
| 16:05.56 | Tjati | jhutchins_wk: we do not have many visitors. so its fine. |
| 16:06.08 | zeeflo | somiaj: yea, I was thinking that as well |
| 16:06.16 | jhutchins_wk | Tjati: I agree with the 2G recommendation. |
| 16:06.17 | Tjati | zeeflo, txomon|home: so I take 2 GB? |
| 16:06.25 | zeeflo | Tjati: yes |
| 16:06.26 | Tjati | great. 2:1 for 2 GB. thanks. |
| 16:06.32 | somiaj | txomon|home: use the one you like, or even use /etc/init.d/servvicename script directally. the invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are debian tools, so they may be prefered. IN the end they all work |
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| 16:06.43 | sh1shm1sh | would "Depends: alt1 | alt2" force alt1 to be installed when both alt1 and alt2 are available but not already installed? |
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| 16:06.57 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: only if none are installed already |
| 16:07.15 | Tjati | it is not important, WHERE the swap partition is? so I can use 2 gig from the second, bigger hdd (which I will mount on /var) |
| 16:07.33 | zeeflo | Tjati: its not important where any partitions are |
| 16:07.34 | jhutchins_wk | Tjati: Doesn't really matter that much. |
| 16:07.45 | somiaj | txomon|home: I personally just use the scripts directally to start/stop/status of services. But I use the debian tool update-rc.d to modify the scripts set up at boot (just because that is what the packages use and some other methods may not be persistance on upgrades) |
| 16:07.51 | sh1shm1sh | jelly, and in this ruby-related case, where system obviously prefers newer version (1.9), does that carry any weight when choosing which alternative to install? |
| 16:07.52 | Tjati | performance. *cough* |
| 16:08.03 | crackerjackz | zeeflo, i found this... the server was running gentoo though.. but they did it remotely http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2009/04/02/howto-remotely-install-debian-over-gentoo-without-physical-access/ |
| 16:08.10 | sh1shm1sh | s/choosing/chosing/ |
| 16:08.29 | zeeflo | crackerjackz: thanks |
| 16:08.44 | somiaj | sh1shm1sh: this is an apt issue, but yes apt picks the first package in an or list of depends (if one of the others is not already installed) |
| 16:09.10 | txomon|home | somiaj, what about systemd in debian? |
| 16:09.11 | chipotle | how do i see a full package list of all installed software on debian 6? |
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| 16:09.23 | chipotle | i just loaded a vm from internap and i want to see if they installed any junk on it for me |
| 16:09.32 | somiaj | txomon|home: I personally have not (nor want to) switch to systemd so I am unsure of the differences of using it |
| 16:09.39 | jhutchins_wk | chipotle: dpkg -l |
| 16:09.42 | somiaj | txomon|home: wheezy has it as an option and many packages already support it. |
| 16:09.44 | sh1shm1sh | somiaj, jelly, thanks |
| 16:10.04 | somiaj | chipotle: aptitude search ~i also works |
| 16:10.06 | jelly | sh1shm1sh: unfortunately apt does not know what the system prefers |
| 16:10.14 | zeeflo | god damnit i hate this razor mouse |
| 16:10.19 | chipotle | thanks |
| 16:10.43 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: really wish dpkg -l would show the auto flag (: |
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| 16:11.01 | chipotle | and how would i remove all config files and the software for php5* ? (including anything related to php5, e.g. i have php5-common and php5-cli installed |
| 16:11.31 | n2diy | Is there a key combination for logging out of XFCE/Squeeze? Can I configure one? |
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| 16:11.54 | zeeflo | ctrl + alt + delete |
| 16:11.58 | zeeflo | i think... |
| 16:12.07 | somiaj | chipotle: apt-get --purge remove foo |
| 16:12.08 | zeeflo | if its in a desktop environment |
| 16:12.11 | n2diy | zeeflo, tried that, didn't do anything. |
| 16:12.21 | jhutchins_wk | zeeflo: That just does a screen lock on mine. |
| 16:12.24 | zeeflo | how about backspace instead of delete? |
| 16:12.41 | somiaj | that will kill the xserver (provided they didn't disable that keycombo) |
| 16:12.49 | n2diy | zeeflo, nope. |
| 16:12.53 | jhutchins_wk | zeeflo: You're thinking of the X kill option, which is pretty much universally disabled these days. |
| 16:12.54 | somiaj | though I thought a recent upgrade of xorg made ctrl-alt-backspace not on by default |
| 16:13.02 | zeeflo | then im outta ideas :D |
| 16:13.27 | jhutchins_wk | #xfce is sometimes helpful |
| 16:13.42 | n2diy | jhutchins_wk, roger that. |
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| 16:14.58 | jhutchins_wk | http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ |
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| 16:18.10 | zeeflo | god damnit these razor mouses are fast.. |
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| 16:21.19 | zykotick9 | somiaj: just an fyi, but "apt-get purge foo" works these days, less typing ;) |
| 16:21.55 | somiaj | zykotick9: oh yea, nice I use to accidently do that all the time and get errors. (: |
| 16:22.04 | somiaj | I eventally beat myself out of that habbit |
| 16:22.06 | zeeflo | just remember to always do an autoclean, autoremove and clean when using purge |
| 16:22.37 | somiaj | autoremove is nice (one thing about aptitude I like as it doesn't require that extrastep) |
| 16:22.38 | zeeflo | debian, like so many other O/S's has a nasty habbit of leaving things around even if you purge |
| 16:22.57 | somiaj | the autoclean and clean after a purge aren't really nessacary (unless you don't want a backup .deb floating around which makes reinstall easier) |
| 16:23.15 | Lis | Does someone know how to change the gdm3 background image? I searched google but none of the methods i found work |
| 16:23.19 | zeeflo | if you purge it, why would you need it for later ;) |
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| 16:23.37 | somiaj | zeeflo: sometimes you are purging just to get rid of the config files so you can reinstall fresh |
| 16:23.43 | zeeflo | also.. Always get the lastest from sources.. and not from debs floating around on your system |
| 16:23.53 | zeeflo | somiaj: then you use the reinstall ;) |
| 16:24.08 | zeeflo | or dpkg --reconfigure |
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| 16:24.23 | zeeflo | purging and then installing again, is actually not a smart idea |
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| 16:25.29 | zeeflo | and purging is not always a guarantee that your config files gets purged with the application |
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| 16:25.42 | zeeflo | reconfigure or reinstall on the other hand _is_ |
| 16:26.10 | jelly | *blink* |
| 16:27.23 | zeeflo | compare it to e.g. dkpg --reconfigure locales.. You wouldnt purge locales just to reconfigure it ;) |
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| 16:28.16 | zeeflo | and very very often, a "fresh" install is nothing more then, a fresh reconfiguration of the application. |
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| 16:31.50 | Slydder | hey all |
| 16:31.53 | Slydder | am getting the following error "Filesystem "dm-2": corrupt dinode 2978172, (btree extents). Unmount and run xfs_repair." how do I find out which partition it is? |
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| 16:35.38 | jelly | Slydder: ls -l /dev/mapper |
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| 16:36.20 | alexidoia | I have a boot problem on a box. I boot using a rescue mode and I mount the system file manually. Then I chroot in it to be able to manage as if it was the booted system. My question, if I want to start apache for ex, it tells me that it could not register its pid into var/lock, so my guess is that while chrooted, I missed some other bind |
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| 16:38.33 | jelly | Slydder: depending on the version you'll either see one entry to be a symlink to ../dm-2, or it will have device minor number of 2 |
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| 16:38.48 | jelly | (version of device-mapper/lvm2) |
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| 16:40.57 | Dark_light | Do you think newer versions of gnome will eventually find their way into wheezy backports ? |
| 16:41.09 | zeeflo | hehehe |
| 16:41.15 | zeeflo | thats why you dont use xfs :D |
| 16:41.28 | zeeflo | ive heard all to much crap about xfs |
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| 16:44.34 | mumpitze1 | Dark_light: no |
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| 16:46.54 | jhutchins_wk | alexidoia: Why would you start apache if the system isn't booting? Fix the boot problem, boot normally, then worry about your webserver. |
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| 16:47.08 | Dark_light | mumpitze1: any reason in particular? |
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| 16:47.41 | alexidoia | jhutchins_wk: thing is that the web server is the one responsable for not being able to boot normally, I think |
| 16:48.54 | alexidoia | here is my problem, I have done a dist-upgrade to wheezy, when rebooting, apache asked for its ssl pass phrase and then interrupted the boot, I managed to turn that off, but I still can't boot on the disk, and as it is remote, I can't see the error message on the screen |
| 16:49.11 | alexidoia | and there is nothing in the log |
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| 16:49.33 | zagabar | after upgrading my webserver to wheezy, i can't seem to upload stuff through web forms anymore. any file bigger than 1 byte seems to yield a MAX_FILE_SIZE error that it is too big. but i have after the update set that and the MAX_POST_SIZE variables to 4G so it should be enough. |
| 16:50.04 | alexidoia | zagabar: that is apache-cli lilmitation |
| 16:50.07 | alexidoia | limitation |
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| 16:50.26 | zagabar | alexidoia: and why is it different from before the upgrade? |
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| 16:50.50 | alexidoia | have you accepted a new config file ? |
| 16:51.21 | zagabar | alexidoia: i did and my php.ini became empty so i had to add those limits again |
| 16:51.35 | zagabar | but do i perhaps need to change in an additional file as well now? |
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| 16:52.38 | zeeflo | zagabar: is your php max file upload blabla sizes truly a matter for this forum? Dont you believe your web questions belong in forums like #httpd or #php ? |
| 16:52.53 | alexidoia | zagabar: I don't know but that would be an apache problem (assuming, its your daemon) |
| 16:53.39 | zeeflo | alexidoia: your interruption of an upgrade is the reason your system wont boot.. Its not apache causing you a headache |
| 16:53.46 | zagabar | zeeflo: perhaps you're right. i went here first because the upgrade to wheezy broke it so perhaps people would know. but i'll look elsewhere then |
| 16:53.52 | zagabar | alexidoia: alright |
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| 16:54.40 | zagabar | thanks |
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| 16:55.01 | zeeflo | alexidoia: you need to chroot into your system from rescue, and finalize your upgrade. |
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| 16:55.18 | alexidoia | that is a newly question but how can I take a daemon off my init script (I don't want it to be launched at start up) |
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| 16:55.50 | alexidoia | zeeflo: my upgrade is done, I will try to boot without the faulty daemon, I need to take it of the init script |
| 16:56.20 | zeeflo | alexidoia: remember to update grub! |
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| 16:56.37 | alexidoia | zeeflo: ah ! |
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| 16:57.31 | zeeflo | also, if you dont want your script loaded at boot time, move it out of /etc/init.d/ or rc.d local |
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| 16:57.37 | alexidoia | zeeflo: hum how do I do that beeing boot on a rescue boot ? |
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| 16:59.21 | zeeflo | you chroot into your installation from rescue, and do: update-grub |
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| 17:01.23 | alexidoia | zeeflo: I have done just that, and it says command not found |
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| 17:02.25 | alexidoia | zeeflo: any idea ? |
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| 17:03.52 | mumpitze1 | darthanubis: ot |
| 17:04.02 | mumpitze1 | darthanubis: sorry. mistab |
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| 17:04.06 | tux1986 | where does it says command not found? after update-grub? |
| 17:04.19 | alexidoia | yes |
| 17:04.20 | alexidoia | grub-setup --version |
| 17:04.26 | alexidoia | is not found too |
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| 17:04.59 | alexidoia | but I have chroot on my disk, I am not booted on it |
| 17:05.08 | tux1986 | and you are in the change root envirenment? |
| 17:05.18 | n2diy | Found the solution for my keyboard logout short cut: With the mouse select menu>settings>keyboard>shortcuts>add. That opens up a file manager window, select the command, then open, and then you have a new window with no instructions. That window is waiting for you to enter the key combination you want to bind to the command. Viola, your done, no logout or reboot required. |
| 17:05.21 | alexidoia | yes |
| 17:05.58 | alexidoia | tux1986: what do you mean exactly |
| 17:06.11 | tux1986 | what does says dpkg -l | grep grub ? |
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| 17:06.31 | alexidoia | tux1986: how about update-lilo ? |
| 17:06.55 | alexidoia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.56 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep grub returns nothing |
| 17:06.57 | tux1986 | i think debian use grub2 by default |
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| 17:07.23 | alexidoia | well I have update-lilo |
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| 17:08.11 | tux1986 | does you use lilo before the problem? |
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| 17:09.32 | alexidoia | I guess |
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| 17:10.32 | mynameismud | can anyone help me understand a few concepts? |
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| 17:11.05 | mynameismud | radius vs kerberos, I don't understand the difference |
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| 17:12.27 | tux1986 | do you have installed lilo? i don't now any debian the last years have installed lilo by default... |
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| 17:13.21 | mynameismud | sarge did |
| 17:13.26 | mynameismud | woody too |
| 17:13.46 | mynameismud | when I started with debian with 3.0, lilo was THE standard |
| 17:14.06 | mynameismud | lilo was 'tried and true' and grub was 'the risky new thing you could try' |
| 17:14.14 | mynameismud | back in the day |
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| 17:14.41 | tux1986 | oh realy? ;) thats some years ago i think... |
| 17:14.46 | mumpitze1 | mynameismud: radius is a protocol to login to a system, kerberos is an encryption protocol. two very different things. radius might use kerberos |
| 17:15.12 | mynameismud | mumpitze1: say you wanted to use two factor authentication, would you use both? |
| 17:15.17 | alexidoia | ok I am really frustrated, since I have done an upgrade to wheezy, I can't login using ssh. I can ping the machine but no service are working, my guess something is going wrong when it starts up and I don't find nothing in the log when I boot using another kernel, any advice would really be appreciated, since I have been trying to solve this problem for about 3 days now (while I am not working) |
| 17:15.57 | Dwarf | Afternoon, is there a way to just install debian with X and install the windowmanager myself? |
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| 17:16.08 | alexidoia | I have taken off many service such as the web server and the email server from the init script to minimize the possible bug at start up, but I can't still logged in |
| 17:16.09 | Dwarf | windowmanager/desktop environment |
| 17:16.12 | alexidoia | help ! |
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| 17:16.34 | tux1986 | which version of debian you have installed befor wheezy? |
| 17:16.49 | alexidoia | I have always been on stable |
| 17:16.57 | alexidoia | I used apt-get diet-upgrade |
| 17:17.00 | alexidoia | dist |
| 17:17.07 | MrFrood | Dwarf: the minimal install will give you just the command line, you can then install X and a WM |
| 17:17.22 | tux1986 | than you have installed squeeze before... |
| 17:17.34 | Dwarf | Alright thanks |
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| 17:18.25 | alexidoia | tux1986: yes, that is what I had installed before, |
| 17:18.42 | MrFrood | Dwarf: make sure you untick desktop when you come to the appropiate bit of the installer |
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| 17:19.05 | Dwarf | Good point hehe |
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| 17:19.51 | alexidoia | tux1986: is that all ? |
| 17:19.52 | tux1986 | and where is the system only for me to anderstand... |
| 17:20.05 | alexidoia | sorry |
| 17:20.19 | alexidoia | I am really frustated, I don't know what to do |
| 17:20.26 | alexidoia | so the system is in paris |
| 17:20.32 | alexidoia | and I am in south of france |
| 17:20.33 | alexidoia | :) |
| 17:20.57 | mynameismud | alexidoia: is paris not south france? |
| 17:21.09 | alexidoia | no |
| 17:21.12 | mynameismud | oh |
| 17:21.13 | mynameismud | well then |
| 17:21.15 | alexidoia | paris is north |
| 17:21.19 | alexidoia | where are you ? |
| 17:21.24 | mynameismud | california |
| 17:21.42 | tux1986 | is it at home of you ore at a internet provider or something like that? |
| 17:21.43 | alexidoia | and you don't know where paris is in France ? |
| 17:21.56 | alexidoia | tux1986: internet provider yes |
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| 17:22.29 | mynameismud | alexidoia: never had a need to know the geography of france |
| 17:22.38 | mynameismud | alexidoia: do you know the geography of california? |
| 17:22.46 | alexidoia | the provider has an interface from which I can reboot my machine and I can choose the boot I want, I have HD for hard disk and rescue-boot |
| 17:22.56 | alexidoia | mynameismud: I do |
| 17:23.07 | mumpitze1 | mynameismud: you write garbage. read again what i wrote about kerberos and radius |
| 17:23.08 | mynameismud | alexidoia: anyway, can you do idrac or anything of the sort? can you get any physical access to the box? |
| 17:23.17 | alexidoia | mynameismud: its not a question of need, is a question of general knowledge, nevermind |
| 17:23.29 | tux1986 | and if you start the main system you can ping it and nothing else? |
| 17:23.35 | alexidoia | yes |
| 17:23.43 | mynameismud | alexidoia: can you do a port scan? |
| 17:23.51 | mumpitze1 | alexidoia: can you access the main system disk under the rescue? |
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| 17:24.00 | alexidoia | I can ping I got ping back but I can't log gin, there is no site, no mail no nothing |
| 17:24.01 | tux1986 | do you have a look at the syslog by the rescue system= |
| 17:24.03 | tux1986 | ? |
| 17:24.08 | alexidoia | mumpitze1: yes, I can |
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| 17:24.20 | alexidoia | I can mount it chroot etc... |
| 17:24.25 | mumpitze1 | then look at the syslog, check if there are pam errors for example |
| 17:24.37 | alexidoia | ok |
| 17:24.52 | mynameismud | can you port scan to make sure it's listening for ssh or other things that you say aren't working right? |
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| 17:25.01 | \n | Hi, is there a chkconfig <service> on/systemctl enable <service> equivalent in Debian's sysvinit? |
| 17:25.13 | \n | Off/disable too, of course |
| 17:25.37 | Spec | \n: like, update-rc.d ? |
| 17:25.51 | \n | Yep |
| 17:25.57 | Spec | yes, there is. |
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| 17:27.29 | \n | Spec, what is it? I think I've heard something about insserv or something like that. |
| 17:27.30 | mynameismud | take your systemctl and systemd away from here, debian does not want it |
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| 17:28.02 | Spec | \n: i'm pretty sure insserv will become the default next release, and "update-rc.d" does what you want, I believe. |
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| 17:28.46 | \n | mynameismud, why not? Systemd is supported as an alternative, although I use sysvinit on my server as it's stabler and not updated often enough to worry about new features. |
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| 17:29.20 | \n | And yes I know it is "systemd" not "Systemd", blame auto-capitalization :P |
| 17:29.45 | jelly-home | mynameismud: does not want it? |
| 17:29.48 | jelly-home | ,v systemd |
| 17:29.49 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- jessie: 44-11; sid: 44-11; wheezy: 44-11 |
| 17:30.07 | mynameismud | it exists |
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| 17:30.11 | mynameismud | just as runit does |
| 17:30.18 | mynameismud | it's not default for a reason |
| 17:30.30 | mynameismud | it ruined fedora |
| 17:30.37 | \n | Any particular reason for sticking with 44? Latest release available at wheezy's freeze? |
| 17:30.38 | mynameismud | it's going to ruin redhat7 |
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| 17:30.47 | jelly-home | mynameismud: just noting, if Debian didn't want it, it wouldn't be packaged or maintained |
| 17:30.56 | Lis | Where do i configure the disk where grub should be installed on? |
| 17:31.03 | \n | mynameismud, systemd might not follow the Unix principle, it's cleaner and faster IMO, though. |
| 17:31.04 | mynameismud | I suppose if debian wanted to kill off it's own community it's free to |
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| 17:31.31 | \n | For comparison, how many runit init scripts are available in packages? Now let's take systemd .service files. |
| 17:31.43 | no_gravity | Hello! I have debian set up in an encrypted partition. So I have an unencrypted boot partition and an encrypted root partition. Everytime I install another linux on this harddrive, i cannot boot into the old encrypted system anymore and have to fix it. Can anyone explain to me why? I would like to install another encrypted debian but im afraid then I will always be able to boot only into one of them. |
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| 17:32.53 | \n | Sysvinit is stable and standard, though the shell is the bottleneck there. Systemd also comes with many advanced features which are implemented in hacky ways varying by distro with sysvinit. |
| 17:33.09 | darthanubis | no_gravity, maybe it is encryption |
| 17:33.10 | jelly-home | \n: yeah, the freeze only recently... thawed, so there are oldish versions of many pieces of software |
| 17:34.21 | \n | I'm glad that wheezy didn't get released with the Python release candidate, but instead the final release, though. |
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| 17:35.45 | no_gravity | darthanubis: what do you mean? |
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| 17:37.34 | Lis | Where do i configure the disk where grub should be installed on? |
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| 17:38.14 | n2diy | My solution for Logout key bindings only works on a per user basis, any idea how to make it global? |
| 17:38.24 | alexidoia | mumpitze1: ok I have looked in sys log and I have not seen anything alarming, unless I don't know what is alarming, here is the paste bin : http://pastebin.com/DEM5KAHz |
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| 17:39.03 | mynameismud | no_gravity: perhaps you don't have the keys available on all partitions...... |
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| 17:40.10 | no_gravity | mynameismud: well, i think i didnt explain very well what i want. i want multiple encrypted installations of debian on one harddisk. so far i did not find anyone who did this. |
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| 17:41.55 | mynameismud | no_gravity: what's wrong with it? |
| 17:42.13 | mynameismud | I don't know why you'd want multiple debians on the same disk but it should work just fine |
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| 17:42.31 | no_gravity | mynameismud: when i install the second debian, the first doesnt boot anymore normally. |
| 17:42.38 | mynameismud | the installer doesn't have the most user friendly of partitioning software so you may have to do that more manually...but still |
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| 17:42.46 | hyppias | connect a powered USB HD to my Wheezy raspberry pi. It does not show up as /dev/sdaX. what do I do wrong? |
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| 17:43.15 | mynameismud | no_gravity: define normally |
| 17:44.02 | Dark_light | What's the best way to install steam on wheezy ? |
| 17:45.05 | no_gravity | mynameismud: it boots into some prompt. im not sure where im at then. it doesnt boot into gnome anymore. i have to repair grub as explained here: http://pzolee.blogs.balabit.com/2010/07/grub-helyreallitas-titkositott-es-lvm-particiok-eseten/ |
| 17:45.15 | mynameismud | Dark_light: pour hot water on the motherboard |
| 17:45.18 | txomon|home | anyone knows how to distiguish if a video card admits input? |
| 17:45.22 | cerettala_laptop | Dark_light: There is a debian-steam .deb hanging out somewhere, but you still will have to resolve some of the dependancies (namely jockey-gtk) on your own. I'll try to find the link in a minute. |
| 17:45.25 | txomon|home | hdmi input* |
| 17:45.26 | \n | no_gravity, are you Hungarian too? :O |
| 17:45.38 | no_gravity | \n: no, why? |
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| 17:45.47 | mynameismud | no_gravity: what is 'some prompt'? |
| 17:45.52 | Dark_light | cerettala_laptop: https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy ? |
| 17:45.52 | \n | I asked because of the Hungarian article title |
| 17:45.54 | mynameismud | is it a grub prompt? |
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| 17:46.03 | mynameismud | is it a tty that debian loaded? |
| 17:46.07 | Dark_light | mynameismud: I should open the laptop for that it's a bit tricky |
| 17:46.10 | alexidoia | mumpitze1: are you still there, can anyone give an hand ? |
| 17:46.15 | no_gravity | mynameismud: no, it looks like a debian shell |
| 17:46.16 | cerettala_laptop | Dark_light: That looks like the one I used |
| 17:46.23 | Dark_light | cerettala_laptop: thanks |
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| 17:47.00 | mumpitze1 | alexidoia: what is this rtm? |
| 17:47.09 | alexidoia | rtm ? |
| 17:47.24 | mynameismud | no_gravity: so debian is booting just fine, just your display manager isn't loading? |
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| 17:47.29 | alexidoia | actually have just discover that ssh is on port 222, not 222 |
| 17:47.35 | alexidoia | I don't understand why ! |
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| 17:47.49 | mynameismud | alexidoia: remember when I said portscan? |
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| 17:48.02 | mynameismud | alexidoia: nmap -A hostname |
| 17:48.08 | mynameismud | try to start with that :) |
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| 17:49.03 | no_gravity | mynameismud: well, / is in an encrypted lvm and it doesnt ask me for the password. so it cant have a root directory. so its probably not booting very fine. |
| 17:49.36 | mynameismud | try installing grub again |
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| 17:50.27 | Dark_light | cerettala_laptop: one more general thing how do I install an i686 package on 64 bit debian ? |
| 17:50.31 | Dark_light | I mean how do I select it |
| 17:50.59 | cerettala_laptop | Dark_light: Do you have multiarch setup? |
| 17:51.14 | mumpitze1 | !tell Dark_light about multiarch |
| 17:51.22 | Dark_light | cerettala_laptop: yes |
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| 17:51.34 | no_gravity | mynameismud: are you kidding me? thats what i said. i said everytime that happens, i have to fix grub. |
| 17:51.57 | funnybunny | no_gravity: how are you "fixing" debian? |
| 17:51.59 | cerettala_laptop | Dark_light: Then you should be able to install them as you would an amd64 package |
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| 17:52.12 | no_gravity | funnybunny: what do you mean? |
| 17:52.18 | Dark_light | cerettala_laptop: I was writing :i686 instead of :i386 :P |
| 17:52.19 | funnybunny | no_gravity: what are you doing to fix it |
| 17:52.38 | no_gravity | funnybunny: all the shit explained here: http://pzolee.blogs.balabit.com/2010/07/grub-helyreallitas-titkositott-es-lvm-particiok-eseten/ |
| 17:53.01 | funnybunny | righ |
| 17:53.02 | Marghitos | Hello, i've downloaded and tested debian 7 live. However i have some wireless issue with an atheros wifi-card. The problem has been fixed in a more recent kernel. How can i install a more recent kernel? |
| 17:53.42 | mumpitze1 | Marghitos: what kernel do you need? |
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| 17:53.56 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 17:53.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-1-686-pae (3.8.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
| 17:53.59 | Marghitos | mmh, i tested fedora, which uses 3.8 and i found no issue. |
| 17:54.22 | alexidoia | mynameismud: do I do that command on the box itself ? |
| 17:54.27 | mumpitze1 | you probably can |
| 17:54.43 | allure | dovecot is giving me this error "Fatal: service(auth) access(/usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth) failed: No such file or directory". How do I create this file? I've tried creating an empy one, dovecot runs but gives "Fatal: execv(/usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth) failed: Exec format error". Any help? |
| 17:54.48 | funnybunny | dpkg search atheros |
| 17:54.49 | dpkg | funnybunny: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:54.50 | Marghitos | or, if you have another solution? backporting the module should be enough |
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| 17:55.16 | mumpitze1 | Marghitos: that you't have to do yourself via compat-wireless |
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| 17:55.47 | \n | dpkg -S /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth |
| 17:55.47 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth is installed! |
| 17:55.53 | \n | huh? |
| 17:56.00 | Marghitos | mmh, is this a package of updated wireless driver module? |
| 17:56.01 | mynameismud | alexidoia: from your machine |
| 17:56.12 | mynameismud | nmap -A is sort of a generic port scan |
| 17:56.24 | ariqs | the wheezy installer is total fail ): I just tried it on my desktop, and got a whole new round of bugs. It basically gets stuck in a forever loop when I fail to setup a network I don't have. It lets me select to configure it later, and then it takes me right back to the start again |
| 17:56.25 | mynameismud | it's not the fastest of scans but it shouldn't take more than a minute or two |
| 17:56.31 | mynameismud | it scans the most common ports |
| 17:56.44 | mynameismud | TCP, not UDP |
| 17:56.58 | mumpitze1 | Marghitos: it's not a package. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download/stable |
| 17:56.59 | allure | \n, yeah... should be there, I guess! dont know what happened there.. |
| 17:58.00 | \n | allure, apt-file doesn't find that file for me :/ |
| 17:58.30 | allure | \n, weird, now I have no clue of what to do :) |
| 17:58.36 | alexidoia | mynameismud: it stays stuck and nothing happens, is it long to operate ? |
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| 17:59.06 | mynameismud | give it a minute... |
| 17:59.09 | Marghitos | interesting. so i can install debian 7 and install which version of compat-wireless? the 3.8 one? |
| 17:59.17 | mynameismud | if you hit enter it'll tell you scan status |
| 17:59.23 | mynameismud | I use nmap daily, it's safe |
| 17:59.30 | ariqs | but at least I could do a graphical install on my desktop. Whereas, on my laptop, that just causes kernel panic |
| 17:59.49 | \n | Kernel panic? o_O |
| 17:59.59 | \n | Do you have a stack trace? |
| 18:00.03 | \n | It's probably a bug. |
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| 18:00.48 | \n | allure, try ln -sf /usr/lib/dovecot/auth /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth |
| 18:01.21 | ariqs | \n: No, but here is what I was pasting last night trying to get help if you're the rockstar around here ;P |
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| 18:01.38 | ariqs | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.43 | ariqs | probably because, while installing, when the package manager wanted to scan the other cds, it wouldn't let me open my dvd drive and gave me a red screen with errors. I tried it twice, same thing. the stupid software actually locks my dvd drive... |
| 18:01.49 | ariqs | so I thought I'd do the graphical install instead. first of all, when grub is loading when booting off the cd, I get an error: "prefix is not set". However, the installer loads anyway. when I select graphical install I get "error: couldn't read file" press any key. I press any key and I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unnknown-block(0,0). What do? |
| 18:02.18 | \n | Unable to mount root? Have you verified the ISO's checksum? |
| 18:02.26 | ariqs | yes |
| 18:02.35 | allure | \n, I guess it works! :) Thank you! Gonna test the server now :D |
| 18:02.39 | allure | \n, daemon runs \o/ |
| 18:02.46 | \n | You're welcome :) |
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| 18:03.32 | ariqs | and just in case, I even burnt the first DVD again and verified it again |
| 18:03.51 | ariqs | further, it works on my desktop, just gets stuck in a forever loop related to setting up a netwrok |
| 18:04.19 | alexidoia | ssh port is not usually 22 ? |
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| 18:04.32 | alexidoia | why would it have changed to 222 when I upgraded to wheezy ? |
| 18:04.40 | allure | mentally high-fives n ! :D |
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| 18:06.17 | alexidoia | no ? |
| 18:06.24 | alexidoia | or am I wrong ? |
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| 18:07.40 | \n | alexidoia, can you post your /etc/ssh/sshd_config please? |
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| 18:08.40 | pedrocr | is there any way to have update-alternatives do "update all this packages alternatives to highest priority" |
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| 18:09.14 | alexidoia | http://pastebin.com/AWUgz2XX |
| 18:09.18 | alexidoia | \n |
| 18:10.38 | pedrocr | I basically want to have ruby1.9.1 have priority over any 1.8 ruby packages without having to run update-alternatives for any and all alternatives that may exist in the package |
| 18:10.58 | Djole | What is the best way to check for incoming connections on apache port 80 ? I think i'm getting flooded or something |
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| 18:13.01 | tux1986 | do find some about your problem alexidoia? |
| 18:13.48 | semko | is the kernel version in stable 3.2.0-4? |
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| 18:14.50 | Tjati | Hi guys. What do you think. Running roundcube via debian package or should I install it on my own? |
| 18:15.23 | \n | alexidoia, I'll check in a bit |
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| 18:18.10 | jelly-home | Tjati: considering the upstream version and the one in current stable, if you can deal with fixes and upgrades yourself, install it on your own |
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| 18:18.54 | Tjati | jelly-home: well, on the website there is 0.9 and debian wheezy has 0.7.2 |
| 18:19.05 | jelly-home | that... was my point. |
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| 18:20.19 | win5hit | I'm trying to get an parisc machine with debian 5.0 to work... I've installed it and i've tried to do a apt-get upgrade: packet mime-support brings up an error: "triggers ci file contains unknown directive `interest-noawait'". any idea? |
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| 18:20.40 | MO_Handes | while Wheezy is released, should I have it as testing in sources.list? |
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| 18:21.11 | unborn | heh is deb 7 out of freeze time? :) |
| 18:21.48 | \n | alexidoia, another vi/vim user I see :) anyway, I'm not sure what caused the port to change, it should be safe to just change it back though. |
| 18:22.11 | \n | MO_Handes, it is already released. |
| 18:22.18 | alexidoia | \n ok thanks, whats the problem with vim :) ? |
| 18:22.22 | \n | And you should have it as wheezy if you upgrade efore the release |
| 18:22.32 | \n | alexidoia, nothing, I'm a vim user too and I love it |
| 18:22.44 | \n | s/(efore)/b\1/ |
| 18:22.50 | alexidoia | ahhhh me too then |
| 18:23.02 | unborn | we are all vim :) |
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| 18:23.19 | MO_Handes | \n then should I change testing to stable in sources.list? |
| 18:23.24 | \n | Someone should make a vim clone, called vigor |
| 18:23.28 | \n | MO_Handes, yes. |
| 18:23.33 | \n | Testing is currently jessie |
| 18:23.55 | unborn | n just do it then :D |
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| 18:24.24 | \n | Hint, *never* upgrade to testing using "testing" in sources.list if you plan to switch to stable after testing becomes the new stable. Use the code name instead ;) |
| 18:24.24 | unborn | \n perhaps you are lazy ;) |
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| 18:24.58 | MO_Handes | is this correct, then? http://paste.debian.net/4389/ |
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| 18:25.57 | unborn | MO_Handes, i think so.. |
| 18:26.55 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: no, replace "stable" with "wheezy" |
| 18:27.08 | jelly-home | !tell MO_Handes about wheezy sources.list |
| 18:27.29 | unborn | b0t is not working.. he is on holiday :D |
| 18:27.34 | \n | jelly-home, does it matter now that wheezy is stable? |
| 18:27.37 | jelly-home | unborn: it works. |
| 18:27.42 | tux1986 | i think to every where wheezy / wheezy-updates or stable |
| 18:28.14 | jelly-home | \n: yes, it matters. There will come a time when "wheezy" and "stable" won't point to the same thing. |
| 18:28.20 | unborn | jelly-home, okay my apology ;) |
| 18:28.24 | \n | Oh, true |
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| 18:28.33 | tux1986 | its not a problem now but if stable changed to jessy it is a problem |
| 18:29.04 | unborn | ...so deb 7 is released as stable correct? |
| 18:29.38 | alexidoia | what is this apache error : [Wed May 15 20:28:07 2013] [error] (38)Function not implemented: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) |
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| 18:29.42 | tux1986 | debian 7 is new stable by the 4-may i think |
| 18:29.50 | sdd6 | hi all |
| 18:30.02 | jelly-home | unborn: it's in the topic, yes |
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| 18:31.14 | sdd6 | i would like to install steam on debian, and i have a dependencie problem (jockey-common), my debian version is wheezy |
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| 18:31.20 | unborn | jelly-home, i never read the topic heh I should pay attention to it.. okay I have to update 126 pcs.. well - tomorrow is another day.. I should open google sometimes as well :( |
| 18:31.28 | alexidoia | does anyone know what kind of error is that ? |
| 18:31.29 | alexidoia | [Wed May 15 20:28:07 2013] [error] (38)Function not implemented: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) |
| 18:31.42 | unborn | sdd6, steam is that about games? |
| 18:31.51 | sdd6 | yes unborn |
| 18:32.20 | unborn | sdd6, heh understood.. im too old for games..sorry mate |
| 18:32.22 | sdd6 | i dont find jockey-common dependencie for debian, only ubuntu |
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| 18:32.44 | unborn | sql injection would be a game ;) |
| 18:32.55 | sdd6 | =) |
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| 18:34.00 | lokote_jones | Is there an MMORPG that works in CLI? That probably sounds dumb; but like Zork or something that has a menu and junk and works in CLI? |
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| 18:34.26 | funnybunny | lokote_jones: irc? |
| 18:34.29 | jordanm | lokote_jones, nethack? |
| 18:34.30 | lokote_jones | Yes; like "I hit the cat for 5 points of damage. The cat is knocked out. I get 5 exp and 1 gold piece". |
| 18:34.36 | jelly-home | lokote_jones: they might be a MUD or three left somewhere on the internets |
| 18:34.49 | lokote_jones | I'll have to look at "MUD". Thanks jelly-home |
| 18:35.03 | funnybunny | there is always idlerpg |
| 18:35.11 | lokote_jones | funnybunny: What is idlerpg? |
| 18:35.16 | jelly-home | there's a wikipedia article on MUDs! |
| 18:35.19 | funnybunny | google it |
| 18:35.21 | funnybunny | you will lol |
| 18:35.45 | funnybunny | there's probably one on freenode too |
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| 18:36.15 | lokote_jones | LOL. Just read the wiki on it. That's heeelarious. I could run that on my VPS. hahaha |
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| 18:37.39 | jelly-home | lokote_jones: 20 years ago, muds ran on unix machines with whooping 8-64MB RAM |
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| 18:38.04 | DNS | http://file3.status.net/i/identica/metztli-20130513T031445-4hg97qm.png |
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| 18:41.09 | jhutchins_wk | How do I match a lun id to a device in /dev/mpath? |
| 18:41.34 | alexidoia | ok apparently there is a broken package (apr) installed on wheezy, and I am asked to install the previous one, the one I had on squeeze, how can I do this ? |
| 18:41.50 | alexidoia | how can I find the version of squeeze already |
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| 18:42.42 | tux1986 | which one is broken alexioia? |
| 18:42.42 | MO_Handes | are the current Wheezy DVD images torrent quality good or I should download them from direct mirrors? |
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| 18:43.40 | lokote_jones | jelly-home: My desktop at home runs with 16GB of ram. I wonder if I could host a MUD. |
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| 18:45.33 | jelly-home | lokote_jones: the desktop is not going to be the bottleneck for that. |
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| 18:46.30 | alexidoia | anyone please ! |
| 18:46.43 | alexidoia | since I upgrade to wheezy I have enormous problems |
| 18:46.57 | alexidoia | is that version not supposed to be stable ???? |
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| 18:47.27 | alexidoia | apache 2.2 does not want to work with apr 1.4, answer from #httpd, use previous version !!!! |
| 18:47.35 | alexidoia | I'd like to understand |
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| 18:48.11 | ompaul | alexidoia: firstly apr is short for what? |
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| 18:50.50 | alexidoia | om Apache Runtime Portable |
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| 18:52.10 | alexidoia | ok super |
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| 18:52.27 | alexidoia | one ask a question then leave |
| 18:52.31 | alexidoia | great attitude |
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| 18:53.03 | jelly-home | alexidoia: perhaps their connection is problematic; keep your own attitude in check |
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| 18:55.44 | jelly-home | alexidoia: what are you doing with apr that fails on wheezy? |
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| 18:56.09 | jelly-home | if libapt1-dev is competely unusable, that's going to warrant a fix in the next point release |
| 18:56.17 | jelly-home | libapr1-dev |
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| 18:56.50 | JohnnyL | I have 3.9 compiled and installed. But I need to get nvidia 3.04.64 installed. what's the plan for this? |
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| 18:57.16 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-glx |
| 18:57.17 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1; jessie/non-free: 304.88-2; sid/non-free: 304.88-3; experimental/non-free: 313.30-2 |
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| 18:57.30 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: is 304.88 not good enough? |
| 18:58.06 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: yes, i say that versiojn because 3.19 fails to update on this system. |
| 18:58.28 | HelenaKitty | I'm having problems opening file:///home/s98259/shell.html in xxxterm, chromium and iceweasel. The web browser gives a 404 yet the files are there I've checked numerous times. |
| 18:58.44 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: what is 3.19, sorry |
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| 18:59.07 | HelenaKitty | infact... |
| 18:59.12 | JohnnyL | i forget the version. whatever the latest one is, it fails. i have the script files for 3.04.64. but i'm open. |
| 18:59.21 | jelly-home | script files? |
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| 18:59.29 | JohnnyL | i have nvidia already installed and it fails if i apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 18:59.31 | HelenaKitty | felicia > ls /home/s98259 | grep shell.html |
| 18:59.31 | HelenaKitty | shell.html |
| 18:59.35 | HelenaKitty | It's there |
| 18:59.39 | HelenaKitty | can you see it's there? |
| 18:59.40 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: how did you install it? |
| 18:59.55 | HelenaKitty | so why is chromium and stuff reporting 404 when trying to load that file? |
| 19:00.13 | JohnnyL | when I installed nvidia for this configuration I compiled it from a NVID*.sh script. |
| 19:00.33 | jelly-home | oooh. Not the smartest idea on Debian |
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| 19:00.50 | JohnnyL | it works. |
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| 19:01.06 | jelly-home | yeah, until you upgrade anything X or kernel related |
| 19:02.08 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:02.45 | alexidoia | jelly-home: well apache is using it and is buggy, so I am doing a new install, I have remove apache2 but when I want to remove libapr1, it says it can't because it of dependency problems, but this is actually to install it, so my guess is there has been a bug |
| 19:02.57 | alexidoia | how can I force to remove ? |
| 19:03.11 | JohnnyL | 3.2 |
| 19:03.12 | jelly-home | alexidoia: other packages might rely on libapr1 as well. |
| 19:03.23 | JohnnyL | new one is 3.9 |
| 19:03.26 | alexidoia | how can i know ? |
| 19:03.34 | alexidoia | JohnnyL: on Wheezy ??? |
| 19:03.34 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: no, version of Debian. lsb_release -a ? |
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| 19:03.59 | alexidoia | I need to remove it to reinstall it |
| 19:04.04 | JohnnyL | 7.0 (wheezy) |
| 19:04.20 | jelly-home | alexidoia: pastebin the output of aptitude -s remove libapr1 |
| 19:05.08 | alexidoia | jelly my console speaks french, how can I change the locale ? |
| 19:05.24 | jelly-home | alexidoia: LC_ALL=C aptitude -s remove libapr1 |
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| 19:06.50 | alexidoia | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/AbERwMKt |
| 19:07.00 | HelenaKitty | Harry ur a faggot |
| 19:07.14 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: dunno. In your place, I'd probably uninstall the stuff from nvidia's installer, then follow /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 19:07.16 | HelenaKitty | I can't be a... |
| 19:07.25 | HelenaKitty | Hagrid: A faggot? |
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| 19:09.04 | jhutchins_wk | This is frustrating. I can create partitions on the mpath devices, but I can't see the partitions in /dev or /dev/mpath to format them. |
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| 19:09.22 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: dude. Don't do partitions on LUNs. |
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| 19:09.41 | jelly-home | you're going to have heaps of pain should you ever want to resize |
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| 19:10.51 | alexidoia | jelly-home: how should I do then ? |
| 19:11.21 | jelly-home | alexidoia: can you live without all those apps? |
| 19:11.51 | alexidoia | apache needs them |
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| 19:11.54 | alexidoia | I need apache |
| 19:12.18 | alexidoia | jelly-home: no I can't is the short version |
| 19:12.30 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Trying to match existing config. |
| 19:12.42 | jhutchins_wk | I was able to resize some without too much pain. |
| 19:13.12 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I can see that I can format the device directly without partitioning, but like I say, trying to retain consistency. |
| 19:13.34 | jhutchins_wk | Not sure why we went multipath instead of scsi anyway. |
| 19:13.39 | alexidoia | jelly-home: what do you think of that : LC_ALL=C apt-cache depends libapr1 |
| 19:13.51 | alexidoia | libapr1 |
| 19:13.51 | alexidoia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.51 | alexidoia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.51 | alexidoia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:13.53 | alexidoia | sorry |
| 19:13.55 | ompaul | !paste |
| 19:14.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:14.07 | ompaul | alexidoia: ^^ maybe that is useful |
| 19:14.07 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Do you know how I can match an LUN number with an mpath device? |
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| 19:14.53 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: multipath -d -ll will show WWNs |
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| 19:15.27 | jelly-home | alexidoia: I don't think it's sane to try and remove a system library. |
| 19:16.16 | alexidoia | jelly-home: apr is a system library ? |
| 19:16.58 | jelly-home | alexidoia: for all intents and purposes, yes. if you've found a bug, you're probably going to have to build a custom fixed apr in a separate prefix (or at least /usr/local), and build your fixed app against that one |
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| 19:17.59 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: ok thanks, I'll give it a shot. |
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| 19:18.21 | alexidoia | so what the hell should I do ???? |
| 19:18.52 | alexidoia | and how come am I the only guy having this problem since I am using the stable release !!!! |
| 19:18.53 | ompaul | alexidoia: reinstall squeeze get yourself a dev box fix the problem the way you want |
| 19:19.23 | alexidoia | ompaul: ok, how difficult is it to reinstall squeeze above wheezy ? |
| 19:19.27 | jelly-home | alexidoia: it's hard to say why you're the only one, since we don't know what the bug is at all |
| 19:19.29 | alexidoia | bad right ? |
| 19:19.44 | ompaul | alexidoia: you don't you blow it away and use a backup to restore |
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| 19:19.54 | alexidoia | jelly-home: the bug is generated by apache that complains : [Wed May 15 21:16:22 2013] [error] (38)Function not implemented: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) |
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| 19:20.09 | _wolfeZ_ | Hello, is gnome something like unity? |
| 19:20.13 | jelly-home | alexidoia: in what situations? |
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| 19:20.15 | ompaul | !debian |
| 19:20.15 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:20.22 | alexidoia | when accessing a Vhost |
| 19:20.24 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: no see those links |
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| 19:20.33 | jelly-home | alexidoia: any vhost? |
| 19:20.46 | alexidoia | *all* Vhost |
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| 19:20.50 | jelly-home | alexidoia: are you saying apache does not work at all for you? |
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| 19:21.04 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: My friend and me want to build a debian based os, but first we want to edit the interface, is the interface gnome? |
| 19:21.08 | alexidoia | jelly-home: you got it |
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| 19:21.41 | jelly-home | alexidoia: that would be a grave error. Can you reproduce this on a different wheezy install? |
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| 19:21.54 | alexidoia | I don't know |
| 19:22.06 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: gnome3 classic and gnome3 and kde4.8.4 are stable |
| 19:22.07 | jelly-home | alexidoia: care to upload your configuration someplace/ |
| 19:22.13 | alexidoia | I have another box, but don't really want to try that out |
| 19:22.15 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: So why don't I see the partitions? Do I have to restart multipathd? WIll that kill active mounts? |
| 19:22.21 | alexidoia | of apache ?? |
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| 19:22.27 | jelly-home | alexidoia: yes. |
| 19:22.30 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: Is gnome already installed on debian? |
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| 19:22.40 | _wolfeZ_ | That i can edit the source? |
| 19:22.48 | alexidoia | jelly-home: if that can help me out, yes, what exactly do you want |
| 19:22.53 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: when you install debian you can install it with gnome3 and gnome3 classic |
| 19:23.16 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: I`m talkin about the grapichal interface? |
| 19:23.19 | jelly-home | alexidoia: dunno, all the customized files in /etc/apache2. |
| 19:23.47 | jelly-home | alexidoia: I can't help directly, but I can help creating a decent bug report for Debian |
| 19:24.26 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: eh, you have it the wrong way around the base is Debian, the topping so so speak can be gnome3 or gnome3 classic or many other desktop environments or window managers, in short yes, but the way you phrase it I wound'nt say it like that. |
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| 19:24.36 | alexidoia | well, I don't see how I am the only guy having this bug, I thing this is a problem that occur during my upgrade |
| 19:24.38 | ompaul | wouldn't even |
| 19:24.41 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: no, restarting multipathd won't help and it won't kill active mpath devices either |
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| 19:24.55 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: It isnt unity ha? |
| 19:24.56 | alexidoia | is there a way to relaunched an upgrade trying to force all package to reinstall ? |
| 19:25.46 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: it is not unity, that is something that appears to be similar to me but not the same as |
| 19:26.03 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: Is there a way how i can edit the interface ? |
| 19:26.33 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: if you want unity you can get it with ubuntu and if not you can have anything you want and yes you can redesign it to some extent - there are tools - install it come back and ask |
| 19:26.39 | alexidoia | can I do this apt-get install --reinstall $1 | dpkg -l or something like that ? |
| 19:26.41 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: I've never done mpath with partitions on Debian (since I don't consider partitions on mpath a sane setup any more); what happens if you flush one of those and run multipath again? |
| 19:27.18 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: I dont want tools, i want the source |
| 19:27.28 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: and you can have that |
| 19:27.38 | ompaul | it's debian of course it has source |
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| 19:27.53 | jelly-home | alexidoia: if all the apache installation on wheezy were broken that WOULD have made news. |
| 19:27.59 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: How can i edit the grapichal user interface source? |
| 19:28.18 | jelly-home | alexidoia: so something in your config is triggering a specific bug. |
| 19:28.27 | alexidoia | jelly-home: that is it |
| 19:28.28 | alexidoia | yes |
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| 19:28.55 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: eh, you will learn to program, or you will use tools, whatever you like. |
| 19:29.27 | _wolfeZ_ | ompaul: I can allready programm, but where i can find the folders? |
| 19:29.47 | jelly-home | alexidoia: as far as apt is concerned, you could just "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork", that ought to stabilize things |
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| 19:30.25 | alexidoia | jelly-home: already install |
| 19:30.27 | alexidoia | ed |
| 19:30.30 | jelly-home | indeed |
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| 19:32.06 | ompaul | _wolfeZ_: I don't doubt that, have a look here, and then check out how to download the source onto debian, and come back when you have your debian install, we can talk after that http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ |
| 19:32.23 | ChrisW1 | hi all, trying to install postgresql-9.2 on wheezy using the instructions on http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/, but getting "libpq5 (>= 9.2.4) but 9.1.9-1 is installed" and "postgresql-common (>= 135~) but 134wheezy3 is installed" - what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:33.29 | jelly-home | alexidoia: just for sanity purposes, pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libapr1" |
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| 19:34.22 | SmashingX | is there a command that if you execute it over ssh and then you close the ssh connection the command will still be running? |
| 19:34.56 | ompaul | SmashingX: there a couple of programs to that screen is one and dmux is another |
| 19:35.18 | SmashingX | you have to have those programs in the remote machine or local? |
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| 19:35.28 | jhutchins_wk | SmashingX: nohup |
| 19:35.45 | Jeudi | I did /msg dpkg squeezy->wheezy and got, "bugger all, I dunno". What'd I do wrong? |
| 19:35.54 | Jeudi | oh wait. Squeezy. Dur |
| 19:35.57 | ompaul | SmashingX: I was wrong, tmux (typo) on the machine you want the program to run on |
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| 19:36.04 | jhutchins_wk | SmashingX: Yes, and you have to be running them BEFORE you start the command |
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| 19:36.19 | SmashingX | jhutchins_wk: that's the one I was looking for |
| 19:36.22 | SmashingX | thanks! |
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| 19:36.37 | SmashingX | I wonder how I can no forget all the freaking commands that linux has |
| 19:36.38 | SmashingX | damn! |
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| 19:36.51 | jhutchins_wk | SmashingX: Use them constantly for ten years. |
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| 19:37.10 | SmashingX | ok so what do you do before those 10 years? |
| 19:37.22 | ompaul | SmashingX: ehn what |
| 19:37.22 | jhutchins_wk | heat. |
| 19:37.31 | jhutchins_wk | Cheat |
| 19:37.36 | SmashingX | how? |
| 19:37.42 | ompaul | write the ones you want down |
| 19:37.50 | jhutchins_wk | Make a cheatsheet. |
| 19:37.58 | jhutchins_wk | Save your .bash_history |
| 19:38.03 | SmashingX | probably tha'ts a good idea |
| 19:38.12 | SmashingX | is that what you did jhutchins_wk? |
| 19:38.20 | ompaul | s/probably//g |
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| 19:38.43 | SmashingX | because I guess you have more than 10 years using them |
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| 19:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | SmashingX, keeping everything in .bash_history is good, albeit not totally trivial... see http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/088 |
| 19:42.29 | Jeudi | Hey. How can I exclude Home folders from "du -hc /"? |
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| 19:43.04 | nkuttler | Jeudi: the man page says there's an exclude option.. |
| 19:43.05 | SmashingX | thanks! |
| 19:43.18 | JohnWittle | How do I use 'find' to find files which have not been modified *since* 60 days ago? I can use -mtime to find files modified exactly 60 days ago, but not 60+ days ago... |
| 19:43.28 | Jeudi | nkuttler: it only seems to work for specific filenames though. Not directories. |
| 19:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | SmashingX, also keep remembering you can search backwards in the history after typing ctrl-r |
| 19:44.11 | jhutchins_wk | JohnWittle: I think there's an example in the man page. |
| 19:44.13 | alexidoia | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/cPEYuR07 |
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| 19:44.53 | SmashingX | thanks CutMeOwnThroat! that was pretty helpful! |
| 19:45.03 | JohnnyL | jelly-home. said something about not having linux-headers-3.9 |
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| 19:45.16 | SmashingX | so if I understand well .bash_history doesn't exist until you create it |
| 19:45.18 | SmashingX | right? |
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| 19:46.51 | nkuttler | Jeudi: man page says works for dirs as well |
| 19:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnWittle, make a file with touch and use -cnewer (or -not -cnewer, I guess)? |
| 19:48.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnWittle, also... Numeric arguments can be specified as +n for greater than n, -n for less than n, n for exactly n. |
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| 19:49.39 | Jeudi | nkuttler: hmm, you're right. But it's a pattern match thing. So if I exclude="home" it'll match anything with "home" in the filename, rather than just that folder and its subdirectories. Am I right? I just want to ignore one folder and its subdirectories. |
| 19:50.17 | Jeudi | nkuttler: oh, no, that'll just match anything called home. Still not ideal, in my mind. |
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| 19:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | du -hc /; du -hc /home, then subtract the two |
| 19:51.33 | JohnWittle | CutMeOwnThroat: ahhh thank you. -not -newer was perfect. |
| 19:51.42 | cheetahw26 | I just got done building a custom kernel with certain modules included, but I don't know how to run/install them at boot |
| 19:51.43 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: fair point. Guess that's a good workaround. Thanks for being a lateral thinker :) |
| 19:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I'd think it wouldnt go into /home anyway if that's a different partition |
| 19:52.15 | cheetahw26 | I want to say modprobe or insmod to do this, but I can't remember, nor can I figure out where these are listed, other than the options from /boot/config... |
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| 19:52.50 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: no, it's on the same partition. Thanks, though. I got the result I needed. :) |
| 19:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeudi, well... I thought you're not scripting that and just want to know once... of course we can keep discussing the ways of excluding a directory for the next half hour... as well |
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| 19:53.51 | Jeudi | I'm about to upgrade from 6 to 7. I get no results from dpkg --audit. Safe to proceed with the upgrade then? |
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| 19:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:54.39 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 19:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, release notes |
| 19:54.51 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>. |
| 19:54.59 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I'm following that now. There's a lot to consider. It might just be easier to install from scratch. |
| 19:55.17 | ctmjr | cheetahw26: if you done everything correctly a simple update-grub should put your new kernel in the grub menu |
| 19:55.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeudi, well, do the apt-get -o APT::Get::Trivial-Only=true dist-upgrade it suggests to check for enough free space |
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| 19:55.53 | cheetahw26 | I have the new kernel in the grub menu and am running it... although I don't know how to confirm the modules I selected are actually, installed or not |
| 19:56.36 | JohnnyL | how can you tell what model of nvidia card you have? |
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| 19:56.49 | JohnnyL | i tried lsm od, but it's just nvidia |
| 19:56.52 | JohnnyL | lsmod |
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| 19:57.16 | nkuttler | JohnnyL: lspci |
| 19:57.37 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm considering making some hardware changes anyway, this may be a good time just to make those changes and start again with Deb7. |
| 19:57.48 | JohnnyL | nkuttler: perfect thanks. |
| 19:58.25 | cheetahw26 | will lsmod report all modules that were selected when the kernel was built/compiled/installed or only modules that are currently active? |
| 19:59.04 | mumpitze1 | cheetahw26: currently loaded modules |
| 19:59.22 | cheetahw26 | how can I find out which modules are installed, but not loaded? |
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| 19:59.51 | mumpitze1 | find /lib/modules -name *.ko |
| 20:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeudi, there's not such a lot to consider, really |
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| 20:00.48 | cheetahw26 | ahh.. thats' what I was looking for... and I can load those with insmod right? |
| 20:00.51 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it's just that I'm not familiar with fixing and managing packages on Debian, so when I come across potential issues in Aptitude it's all Greek to me :/ |
| 20:01.34 | lokote_jones | If I opened port 23 in my IPTABLES and have a BBS listening for a connection. how do I telnet into my system? It keeps telling me connection refused. |
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| 20:01.35 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: and it looks like there are some things I'd have to fix, and I wouldn't know where to start :/ |
| 20:01.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about that |
| 20:02.00 | lokote_jones | telnet 199.59.56.47 23 isn't working. |
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| 20:02.10 | JohnWittle | what's wrong with this: 'find . -size +1M -exec mv {} ~/backup/{}-`date`; |
| 20:02.34 | JohnWittle | it exits with "find: missing argument for -exec" |
| 20:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeudi, well, you would know where to start... you'd start with doing /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures ... and look it's one of the things a lot of people run into |
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| 20:04.28 | mumpitze1 | lokote_jones: 23/tcp closed telnet |
| 20:04.34 | mumpitze1 | and you run webmin? |
| 20:04.59 | meadhikari | hi, how would you do some ultra high compression, does not matter how much time but ultra compression |
| 20:05.14 | JohnWittle | meadhikari: what are you trying to compress? |
| 20:05.40 | meadhikari | JohnWittle, its a folder with executables |
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| 20:06.02 | JohnWittle | meadhikari: 7z uses a combination of LZMA, LZMA2, and bzip2. that's as good compression as you can get, i'd say. |
| 20:06.10 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: ooc, is your nick a Discworld ref? |
| 20:06.12 | JohnWittle | i'd recommend using the .7z format, as produced by 7zip |
| 20:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeudi, how could it not be |
| 20:06.39 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: dunno, you might just be very depressed :) |
| 20:06.45 | meadhikari | JohnWittle, any example on using it, sorry for being such a noob |
| 20:07.08 | hero | I can't install some packages on my colleague's laptop even though we have same repos enabled except for a couple of ppa's but he can't seem to install many software from universe e.g. irssi or suphp. It seems like some apt issue. Can someone who's good with apt guide where all can I look? |
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| 20:07.59 | JohnWittle | meadhikari: uh, install it with 'sudo apt-get install p7zip-full' |
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| 20:08.54 | Trewas | hero: there's no universe or PPAs in debian, those are #ubuntu things |
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| 20:09.00 | meadhikari | JohnWittle, i have it installed but i was asking the command line option to use it in the highest compression mode |
| 20:09.02 | JohnWittle | meadhikari: then run 'p7zip ~/path/to/directory/you/want/to/compress' |
| 20:09.11 | JohnWittle | p7zip uses highest compression ratio by default |
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| 20:09.16 | JohnWittle | that's why I had you download it instead of 7z |
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| 20:09.53 | hero | Trewas: yes, I am on mint. But, working of apt stays the same and I am likely to find people with good understanding of apt here. |
| 20:10.02 | hero | so I decided to try my luck here too. |
| 20:10.04 | mumpitze1 | meadhikari: http://www.maximumcompression.com/data/exe.php |
| 20:10.13 | mumpitze1 | !tell hero about mint |
| 20:10.39 | meadhikari | mumpitze1, thanks for the list |
| 20:11.11 | hero | mumpitze1: please, I know and understand the differences |
| 20:11.29 | mumpitze1 | hero: you obviously don't sinec you still ask here |
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| 20:11.38 | mumpitze1 | we don't know about mint and we won't support it |
| 20:11.54 | hero | mumpitze1: ok tell me how does apt differ in debian from one in mint or ubuntu? |
| 20:12.06 | JohnWittle | hero: the repos differ |
| 20:12.10 | mumpitze1 | it doesn't matter how it differs. mint is not debian and therefore not supported here |
| 20:12.16 | alexidoia | I think my system is broken |
| 20:12.18 | alexidoia | fuck |
| 20:12.30 | alexidoia | I should have never dist-upgrade |
| 20:12.33 | hero | JohnWittle: yes, how does it change how the system works? The underlying working of apt is still the same. |
| 20:12.37 | mumpitze1 | hero: if you want general linux support, use ##linux |
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| 20:13.04 | JohnWittle | hero: i'll answer you in ##linux i guess. sometimes you can get help here, other times you can't. |
| 20:13.20 | hero | JohnWittle: and I am not asking which package is found in which repo. I am here to ask help on apt, which is a _debian_ technology |
| 20:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hero, it doesn't change how this channel works, which only supports debian for a range of technical and social reasons |
| 20:13.24 | ompaul | !volunteers |
| 20:13.25 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 20:14.11 | hero | *shrugs* seems no help here either. |
| 20:14.20 | JohnWittle | hero: as I said, you'll find help from me in ##linux |
| 20:14.23 | Jeudi_Away | How do I launch Aptitude in "visual mode"? |
| 20:14.25 | ompaul | hero: as in the mint channel |
| 20:14.30 | ompaul | hero: ask in the mint channel |
| 20:14.36 | hero | ompaul: done that. |
| 20:14.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeudi, just run "aptitude"? |
| 20:14.52 | ompaul | hero: ask them again - they do something so it is not debian any more |
| 20:14.55 | hero | JohnWittle: yes, thanks. Joining that. This webchat is pain and I can't install irssi either. |
| 20:14.58 | D|nA | sudo aptitude |
| 20:15.10 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: oh. That's visual mode?I consider that interactive mode. :) OK. |
| 20:15.12 | ompaul | your question might be reflected in that chance |
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| 20:15.33 | hero | ompaul: I am sure it's still debian cos I pretty much use it the debian way. |
| 20:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeudi, actually I wasn't sure what "visual mode" you mean or what's it supposed to be... but that seemed the most likely? |
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| 20:15.52 | ompaul | hero: I'm sure it would be called debian if it was debian not called mint ... |
| 20:15.58 | mumpitze1 | hero: we all know it's not debian. if it were, it would be called debian |
| 20:16.06 | mumpitze1 | !tell hero about based on debian |
| 20:16.25 | Jeudi | CutMeOwnThroat: that's how Ch.4 "Upgrades from Debian 6" refers to it. Maybe someone should change it… |
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| 20:17.16 | jelly-home | alexidoia: dunno, policy looks sane for wheezy |
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| 20:18.07 | alexidoia | is there a way to force all soft to be reinstalled |
| 20:18.24 | ompaul | use your backups you can't downgrade |
| 20:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, reinstall everything |
| 20:18.30 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall everything is apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^.i|awk '{print $2}'`, or aptitude reinstall ~i |
| 20:18.35 | jelly-home | alexidoia: why would you do that? |
| 20:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | alexidoia, what do you want to accomplish with that? |
| 20:18.46 | alexidoia | I am about to reinstall the whole system from scratch so, if there is a way to do some sort of apt-get install --reinstall for every package, that would be the time to tell me |
| 20:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 20:18.59 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: he wants to get back to squeeze from wheezy |
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| 20:19.13 | alexidoia | because, I think my system is broken, I have problem with apache, postfix, mysql, etc... |
| 20:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, fix the problems? |
| 20:19.30 | mhall | I think I might have found a bug in ifupdown. But in order to prove if it's there or not I need to get it to enable verbose output from dhclient. Does anybody know a nice way to make that happen? |
| 20:19.35 | jelly-home | alexidoia: what problem with postfix now? |
| 20:19.50 | alexidoia | I have done a dist-upgrade that did not finish and I had to mount the disk from a rescue boot to finish it up, now nothing is working ok |
| 20:20.07 | alexidoia | jelly-home: difficult to say, but it can connect to the database |
| 20:20.21 | jelly-home | alexidoia: which database? |
| 20:20.30 | alexidoia | as for the database, there is no PID and the init script does not complain when I start it |
| 20:20.38 | mhall | I wish they had make ifupdown from scripts instead of from C code |
| 20:20.39 | alexidoia | nothing in the log, in the syslog either |
| 20:20.42 | alexidoia | all database |
| 20:20.47 | mhall | The C code makes it greatly more difficult to find and fix issues |
| 20:20.50 | jelly-home | alexidoia: what kind of database? |
| 20:21.05 | alexidoia | I am storing account for postfix in mysql tables |
| 20:21.06 | jelly-home | sqlite? oracle? mysql? postgres? |
| 20:21.11 | alexidoia | mysql |
| 20:21.25 | jelly-home | alexidoia: is mysqld process up and running? |
| 20:21.30 | alexidoia | no |
| 20:21.40 | alexidoia | as I said, the init script does not return anything |
| 20:21.41 | jelly-home | alexidoia: is rsyslog process up and running? |
| 20:21.58 | alexidoia | jelly-home: yes it is |
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| 20:23.10 | jelly-home | alexidoia: ok. what does "bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start" say? |
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| 20:24.16 | alexidoia | http://pastebin.com/7RakkQM7 |
| 20:24.34 | Jeudi | I just did "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" and got three warnings: "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/… for module tg3". Can I just manually move those files into place to fix? |
| 20:25.00 | jelly-home | alexidoia: apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 |
| 20:25.10 | alexidoia | no way |
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| 20:25.18 | jelly-home | ? |
| 20:25.43 | alexidoia | jelly-home: why would that package be missing !!!! |
| 20:26.19 | ompaul | alexidoia: mostly because you have an incomplete dist-upgrade, a full upgrade is apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:26.43 | alexidoia | ompaul: I have done that |
| 20:26.43 | jelly-home | ompaul: nah. The full upgrade is "read the release notes" |
| 20:27.18 | jelly-home | also: "log the upgrade for fuck's sake" |
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| 20:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | fog the update for lucks wake? |
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| 20:28.40 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: only in the mists of thyme :) |
| 20:28.45 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: it's in 4.4.1. Recording the session |
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| 20:29.28 | tjbiddle | Anyone know offhand if debian package's conflict field can have a wildcard matcher? (Conflicts: somepackage-*) |
| 20:29.33 | jelly-home | alexidoia: as for mysql, http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete |
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| 20:30.39 | jelly-home | it's not much but it does suggest the possibility for mysql-5.1 to just get removed |
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| 20:31.49 | the8thbit | When I boot, the start up screen says something like "Waiting for network configuration" and then "booting without full network configuration". I'm trying to connect to a WPA2-personal encrypted wifi network. |
| 20:32.01 | the8thbit | Here is my /etc/network/interfaces: pastebin.com/g3DYWJrG |
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| 20:33.49 | JohnnyL | I have version.h from kernel-headers. But my latest kernel attempt 3.9 doesn't have version.h for nvidia installation. |
| 20:33.54 | alexidoia | ok jelly-home since you are my saver, what should I do now |
| 20:34.22 | alexidoia | the bug I have now, is that postfix cannot connect to the database (still) |
| 20:34.34 | alexidoia | I mean, this is not entirely through |
| 20:34.36 | jelly-home | alexidoia: fix one service at a time. Does mysqld work now? |
| 20:34.45 | alexidoia | yes |
| 20:34.51 | alexidoia | mysqld works |
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| 20:35.27 | alexidoia | postfix as well actually, it is dovecot that does not work |
| 20:35.39 | jelly-home | dovecot has changed A LOT |
| 20:35.41 | alexidoia | apache still not working but I don't see how to fix this |
| 20:35.51 | alexidoia | jelly-home: yes so I heard |
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| 20:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjbiddle, I'd think not... because it would be a bad idea... you can never know what new package-names would be added in the future for whatever weird reasons and that you might suddenly match |
| 20:36.32 | jelly-home | !dovecot wheezy |
| 20:36.34 | dpkg | The upgrade from squeeze to wheezy takes you from Dovecot 1.2 to 2.1. This is a big upgrade that requires manual intervention. For further details are available in the /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz in wheezy's dovecot-core package and at http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Upgrading/2.0 and http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Upgrading/2.1 |
| 20:36.37 | jelly-home | alexidoia: read that. |
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| 20:36.49 | tjbiddle | CutMeOwnThroat: Hm - good point. Thanks! |
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| 20:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjbiddle, also, if you do something like ... dpkg -l|awk '/ii/{print $2}' | xargs -i dpkg -s {} |grep Confli |
| 20:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjbiddle, nobody seems to use any :P |
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| 20:38.51 | Criten | Anyone have any experiance or know-how on getting two touch monitors working on one box? |
| 20:39.07 | Criten | like if you were to touch on the second display the mouse would go over to that one |
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| 20:40.46 | local | hi all. When I am looking for a command/binary, how can I search for that? For example, I am looking for the command ldapsearch. How can I find out, which package has this command? |
| 20:40.52 | tyzef | Hi all ! Hey do you know any soft on debian very nice to make very easy any internet connexion ? Thank ! |
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| 20:42.00 | D|nA | tyzef like wicd? |
| 20:42.06 | alexidoia | jelly-home: the documents tells me that it is safe to downgrade, I feel like this could be a short time solution for me at this point |
| 20:42.12 | alexidoia | what do you think ? |
| 20:42.16 | JohnnyL | where can i get version.h and why isn't it in the xz from kernel.org? |
| 20:42.29 | mtn | local: apt-file is what you are looking for |
| 20:42.31 | local | I know at this example that its the package "ldap-tools", but when executing a "apt-cache search ldapsearch" I will not find this answer |
| 20:42.35 | tyzef | D|nA yes ! |
| 20:42.38 | jelly-home | alexidoia: sure, do a squeeze installation on a second machine and migrate data |
| 20:42.39 | local | mtn: ah ok, let me try ... |
| 20:43.11 | alexidoia | jelly-home: I have a second box with squeeze and dovecot, what data exactly I should migrate ? |
| 20:43.43 | D|nA | tyzef i dont know if you really need it, but since you think it will help you, see some of its screenshot and decide to install it or not |
| 20:43.44 | local | mtn: so I definitely NEED to install the extra package "apt-file". Is there another possibility without the need of this extra pacakgeß |
| 20:44.07 | jelly-home | alexidoia: uh... I have no idea how your dovecot is set up, where the user db, the password db and the mailbox storage is. |
| 20:44.20 | alexidoia | I know that, I meant the binary |
| 20:44.27 | mtn | local: don't know, but that is sure the right tool for the job |
| 20:44.36 | alexidoia | to use the previous version, should I just take the /usr/bin/dovecot dir ? |
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| 20:45.02 | jelly-home | alexidoia: what, you want to copy binaries from squeeze onto this system? |
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| 20:45.24 | alexidoia | jelly-home: I thought that what you advice me to do ?! |
| 20:45.25 | jelly-home | alexidoia: don't do that. I can't say that would work at all. |
| 20:45.31 | tyzef | D|nA actualy it is Babilen on this chan, he told one very nice package but I forgot name. |
| 20:45.48 | alexidoia | how can I use an older version, should I just get rid of this one and use a .deb ? |
| 20:46.08 | alexidoia | should I manually install with dpkg ? |
| 20:46.13 | alexidoia | that is my question |
| 20:46.25 | jelly-home | alexidoia: set up a separate machine with a fresh squeeze installation, install the software you need, and restore configuration and data. |
| 20:46.42 | jelly-home | generally speaking |
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| 20:46.55 | alexidoia | jelly-home: I have configuration and data, I just need to use the version 1.2.5 on this box |
| 20:47.09 | jelly-home | alexidoia: you can't do that on this same box. |
| 20:47.26 | alexidoia | but they say I can downgrade to 1.2.5 |
| 20:47.31 | jelly-home | they? |
| 20:47.37 | alexidoia | http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Upgrading/2.0 |
| 20:47.43 | alexidoia | 4th line |
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| 20:47.51 | alexidoia | that is what I told you |
| 20:48.03 | jelly-home | alexidoia: sure, and they way to do that on Debian, is to make a fresh install. Debian does not support downgrades. |
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| 20:48.16 | mhall | !tell alexidoia about sdn |
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| 20:48.40 | alexidoia | jelly-home: I don't understand the purpose of their advice then |
| 20:48.47 | useless-1ater | tyzef: using the interfaces file is the most pretty way I think< |
| 20:48.50 | jelly-home | mhall: that won't help, he needs/wants to downgrade the whole system from wheezy to squeeze. |
| 20:49.03 | alexidoia | jelly-home: no, that is not what I want |
| 20:49.06 | mhall | jelly-home: ah yeah, totally no help there |
| 20:49.15 | alexidoia | raaaa, enough ! |
| 20:49.17 | mhall | jelly-home: but he was referring to a version 1.2.5 |
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| 20:49.23 | alexidoia | I never said that |
| 20:49.26 | mhall | jelly-home: which would be decades old in the case of debian ;) |
| 20:49.30 | jelly-home | alexidoia: they're talking from an upstream perspective, where there's no other important software than dovecot to be considered |
| 20:49.33 | mhall | jelly-home: so I assumed he meant one package |
| 20:49.34 | alexidoia | *he* is here |
| 20:49.48 | alexidoia | ok |
| 20:49.49 | jelly-home | mhall: decades? |
| 20:49.49 | alexidoia | ok |
| 20:50.06 | tyzef | I know yes but i am using a modem usb 3G mobile broadband and this one make me hard life ! |
| 20:50.06 | alexidoia | so I'll stick with 2.0, I am carrying on reading |
| 20:50.07 | mhall | jelly-home: debian 1.2.5, if it did exist, would be pretty prehistoric ;) |
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| 20:50.26 | jelly-home | mhall: talking about dovecot. |
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| 20:50.32 | tyzef | useless-1ater: I know yes but i am using a modem usb 3G mobile broadband and this one make me hard life ! |
| 20:50.38 | mhall | jelly-home: right, that's what my point was |
| 20:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said he's here ;) |
| 20:52.12 | useless-1ater | tyzef: for wireless: iface alias_name inet dhcp; wpa-ssid foo; wpa-psk bar; Then you connect by: ifup wlan0=alias_name Its very cool, and you can auto connect too if you like. With 3G Im not sure how to, but probably possible too :) |
| 20:52.20 | jelly-home | alexidoia: good luck. It took a good couple hours for a coworker of mine to update config from dovecot 1.x to current setup with zillions of separate files. |
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| 20:53.23 | alexidoia | jelly-home: super, any other advice while you are at it ? |
| 20:53.35 | alexidoia | or some warmup while you are at it ? |
| 20:53.37 | jelly-home | alexidoia: if you were really desperate, you could set up a squeeze chroot and try to set up services from there |
| 20:53.39 | mhall | profanity, alexidoia, lots of profanity ;) |
| 20:53.56 | alexidoia | jelly-home: bug me no ! |
| 20:54.01 | alexidoia | I like it hard |
| 20:54.09 | mhall | I had to do it too, but had a very simple config |
| 20:54.18 | alexidoia | It's just that it really happen when I needed it the most, you see |
| 20:54.32 | mhall | Even there, upgrading dovecot and postfix are by far hardest of the different ones I've used |
| 20:54.38 | alexidoia | mhall: thank you, you are very supporting both of you |
| 20:55.07 | mhall | If it doesn't have to run super fast virtualization can be a big help with this kind of stuff |
| 20:55.22 | jelly-home | dunno, postfix's pretty much a noop (would be a bit different if 2.10 ended up in wheezy) |
| 20:55.31 | mhall | You can keep the old one working in a VM while you prepare the new one, switch at mightnight for 10 mins to check it |
| 20:55.39 | mhall | Then deploy when it can pass the short tests |
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| 20:56.06 | mhall | jelly-home: Yeah, except when they do change their parameters around, sometimes you end up rewriting big chunks of recipient restrictions and so forth |
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| 20:56.29 | tyzef | useless-1ater: thank you ! |
| 20:56.43 | mhall | jelly-home: At which point, if anything ever gets foobarred, ${deity} forbid, you become open relay. So then you keep paranoidly checking the logs and the open relay detector few days afterward |
| 20:56.51 | useless-1ater | tyzef: np :) |
| 20:56.58 | mhall | Happened to me couple months ago when latest postfix came in on my server |
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| 20:57.26 | useless-1ater | tyzef: did you get it to work with 3g btw? |
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| 20:58.01 | tyzef | yes useless-1ater ! |
| 20:58.12 | useless-1ater | tyzef: what did you have to do? |
| 20:59.13 | tyzef | useless-1ater: |
| 20:59.13 | tyzef | connect it and networkmanager done the job |
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| 20:59.58 | useless-1ater | tyzef: ok:) |
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| 21:00.24 | mhall | Gotta love company internet. Debian ISO downloads at 16 megabytes / sec |
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| 21:01.05 | mhall | We used to have hard disks slower than that in a server, lol |
| 21:01.17 | useless-1ater | mhall: got 2Mbit here.. yay |
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| 21:02.08 | darkapp | hey guys just set up sound on my xchat, can someone hiighlight me to test it out? |
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| 21:02.25 | useless-1ater | mhall: well I used to have floppies slower than that :D |
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| 21:03.08 | jelly-home | darkapp: nope |
| 21:03.15 | darkapp | lol, thanx |
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| 21:05.54 | nmschulte | how long does it take for a new mirror to become official? |
| 21:06.18 | alexidoia | jelly-home: is that a postfix error or a dovecot error May 15 23:05:06 ks27549 postfix/error[16463]: 990D31F6FE: to=<henri@idoia.com>, relay=none, delay=0.6, delays=0.58/0/0/0.02, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: Connection refused) |
| 21:06.41 | nmschulte | As in, my Uni has setup Debian and Debian CD mirrors, submitted the bugreport/wishlist item, and now I'm waiting to see it pop up in the official list. |
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| 21:06.54 | jelly-home | alexidoia: that looks like a content_filter error. What's supposer to be on localhost:10024 |
| 21:07.03 | nemysis | hello all |
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| 21:07.46 | Jeudi | Why does aptitude show 4 packages to be installed even after doing an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade that shows nothing to be done? |
| 21:07.57 | mhall | useless-1ater: Yeah, there's an old joke. Never underestimate the throughput of a station wagon full of backup media. |
| 21:08.10 | D|nA | jeudi sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:09.07 | Jeudi | D|nA: oh. cups-common, foomatic-db, libperl5.10 and min12xxw require dist-upgrade? |
| 21:09.09 | jelly-home | Jeudi: because apt-get upgrade doesn't touch any packages that introduce previously uninstalled, new dependencies. |
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| 21:09.38 | D|nA | ^^^^^^^ |
| 21:09.49 | jelly-home | ,v min12xxw |
| 21:09.50 | judd | Package: min12xxw on i386 -- squeeze: 0.0.9-3; jessie: 0.0.9-6; sid: 0.0.9-6; wheezy: 0.0.9-6 |
| 21:09.52 | Jeudi | Can i safely remove cups? I don't need printer sharing on my server. |
| 21:10.09 | alexidoia | jelly-home: I can't be bother, I go back to squeeze |
| 21:10.10 | useless-1ater | Jeudi: do you need to print? |
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| 21:10.18 | jelly-home | alexidoia: good choice. |
| 21:10.22 | Jeudi | useless-1ater: no. I have a wifi printer for that. |
| 21:10.26 | alexidoia | jelly-home: honestly ? |
| 21:10.32 | Bronze | mhall: mag tapes, the joke said tapes! :-) (note it also said hurtling down the highway... :-) |
| 21:10.48 | Jeudi | useless-1ater: foomatic-db is print-related too, right? |
| 21:10.50 | alexidoia | jelly-home: but then I need to reinstall everything |
| 21:10.58 | useless-1ater | Jeudi: you probably connect to it through cups :) |
| 21:11.01 | alexidoia | recreate the account, blablabla |
| 21:11.02 | useless-1ater | Jeudi: yep |
| 21:11.09 | jelly-home | alexidoia: yes, considering your experience and tendency to rush into things |
| 21:11.12 | Bronze | mhall: at least to the best of my recollection. Its in one of the early published accounts of how UNIX spead |
| 21:11.19 | Bronze | *spread |
| 21:11.25 | Jeudi | useless-1ater: no, it's accessed through my Airport Extreme. My deb server doesn't relate to it at all. |
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| 21:11.41 | alexidoia | jelly-home: I am not rushing into things, I did not expect having this mess while doing an upgrade |
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| 21:11.58 | mhall | Bronze: Yes, you are right. But for me the humor was equally hilarious for any media |
| 21:12.00 | jelly-home | alexidoia: this way you learn it's good to have backups, and it's not smart to do release upgrades without research and testing on a test machine |
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| 21:12.23 | useless-1ater | Jeudi: well, if something breaks you can install it afterwards. Why do you want to remove cups? |
| 21:12.33 | alexidoia | jelly-home: yes sure |
| 21:12.58 | Jeudi | useless-1ater: so, apt-get remove cups-common; apt-get autoremove should do the trick? Oh, I've got no need for it. I'm just anal, I guess. |
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| 21:14.08 | useless-1ater | Jeudi: you could stop it too, if it bothers you that its running |
| 21:14.10 | nfisher | Hi all! i have the problem that wheezy is using my dvi digital audio out as standard (instead of my soundcard) how can i fix this? |
| 21:14.15 | jelly-home | alexidoia: and after you get squeeze working again, you can take time figuring out what needs to be done with each service on upgrades, instead of winging it right now and keeping users without services for who knows how long |
| 21:14.35 | mhall | nfisher: Do you ever want that output to work? Or is disabling OK? |
| 21:14.46 | Bronze | mhall: I'm a purist about the old things... 'cause I'm an old thing... :-D |
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| 21:14.58 | mhall | Bronze: I won't argue. |
| 21:15.01 | nfisher | mhall: well, i do not need it in the forseeable future |
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| 21:15.23 | mhall | nfisher: Blacklisting the alsa driver module loaded for that unneeded output would work, then |
| 21:15.24 | Jeudi | useless-1ater: it's not actually running. I just want rid of stuff I don't use. |
| 21:15.33 | Bronze | mhall: i appear to have been subtley maligned... ;-) |
| 21:15.36 | mhall | nfisher: I did it to the HDMI out of a machine before, where I never needed it |
| 21:15.47 | Jeudi | useless-1ater: were those the right commands? |
| 21:15.52 | alexidoia | jelly-home: is there a way to get all the data of mailman, you think ? |
| 21:15.58 | mhall | Bronze: Not intentional, actually. Didn't see that connotation until you pointed it out, heh |
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| 21:16.30 | jelly-home | alexidoia: mailman didn't change a lot, you can basically copy all of /var/lib/mailman |
| 21:16.51 | jelly-home | ,v mailman |
| 21:16.53 | judd | Package: mailman on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.1.13-5; squeeze-security: 1:2.1.13-5; jessie: 1:2.1.15-1; sid: 1:2.1.15-1; wheezy: 1:2.1.15-1 |
| 21:17.00 | alexidoia | just copy and paste it ? and I will find all my lists and users ? |
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| 21:17.20 | nfisher | mhall: hm k |
| 21:17.32 | jelly-home | alexidoia: yeah, 2.1.15 vs 2.1.13 should be compatible |
| 21:17.37 | alexidoia | thanks |
| 21:18.12 | mhall | nfisher: You can grep lsmod for snd, to single out the alsa modules, and find the offending driver module |
| 21:18.36 | mhall | nfisher: Then make an entry in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 21:18.54 | mhall | nfisher: There's a list of pre-existing blacklists, which can be used as inspiration for making your own entry |
| 21:19.22 | mhall | nfisher: Sometimes you get a sneaky module which is part of the initrd and escaping blacklist |
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| 21:19.45 | mhall | nfisher: For this, you can blow it away in /lib/modules, and rebuild the initrd without it, muahahaha |
| 21:19.57 | Jeudi | aptitude is still offering 4 packages "to be installed". One of those is cups-common. According to apt-get, though, cups-common isn't even installed. Why is aptitude offering it? dist-upgrade showed nothing available. |
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| 21:20.28 | nfisher | mhall: hm k |
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| 21:21.16 | mhall | nfisher: update-initramfs -c -k <kernel> |
| 21:21.23 | mhall | nfisher update-grub |
| 21:21.31 | mhall | will do that part |
| 21:22.33 | nfisher | mhall: k, blacklisted it for now, will reboot to test brb |
| 21:23.19 | Bronze | mhall: it would have been funny if it had been intentional. :) |
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| 21:23.58 | Fidelix | Hello. I installed XCP but when I reboot there is no login shell, for some reason. I'm simply locked out. It gets an IP from the router, but I can't ping the IP. |
| 21:24.34 | kisisten | hi, what does this output in dmesg mean? >> http://pastebin.com/sDyryj0B |
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| 21:25.30 | nfisher | clear |
| 21:25.35 | nfisher | sry ^^ |
| 21:26.00 | nfisher | mhall: worked great, thanks! |
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| 21:30.32 | Jeudi | Hi. Aptitude lists 4 packages to be installed. Prefixed with "pi". These don't appear when I do an apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade. Why are they showing up? |
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| 21:36.19 | Elements_of_inst | Hello all i am trying to host a website on VPS, but i am not sure if i should use OpenVZ or deploy the webserver without virtualization? They also offer theyr ISPManager, if i refuse that as well, what should i use to configure connection domain name to my webserver, before i upload my website on that server? |
| 21:36.36 | Jeudi | I guess I don't care why they're there, I just need to know if I need to resolve their appearance before upgrading to Wheezy. |
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| 21:41.33 | Elements_of_inst | I mean i have a simple regular website, I dont want to become a hosting reseller, do I need to install this /open/vz. |
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| 21:41.52 | Elements_of_inst | *OpenVZ |
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| 21:43.43 | mhall | nfisher: Not the prettiest method, but it was easier than trying to argue with it. :D |
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| 21:44.15 | mhall | Bronze: Yeah, I wasn't in the right mode of thought. Too busy working in other windows, lol |
| 21:44.22 | nfisher | mhall: word |
| 21:44.50 | nfisher | how can i replace the pcspkr system-beep by a nice audio beep? |
| 21:45.01 | Elements_of_inst | Hello all i am trying to host a website on VPS, but i am not sure if i should use OpenVZ or deploy the webserver without virtualization? They also offer theyr ISPManager, if i refuse that as well, what should i use to configure connection domain name to my webserver, before i upload my website on that server? |
| 21:45.14 | mhall | That's a trickier one, nfisher |
| 21:45.23 | mhall | I never needed to know because I hate all beeps |
| 21:45.23 | nfisher | a friend of mine has wheezy on his Laptop and it, by default, has a nice beep effect.. |
| 21:45.33 | mhall | So I blacklist pcspkr too, bwahahahaha |
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| 21:46.04 | nfisher | mhall: well, this is my plan B actually :) |
| 21:46.16 | mhall | creates a prehistoric VM, to work with a nasty vendor driver that only works with 2.6 |
| 21:46.35 | mhall | nfisher: also, you can disable many TTY bells via /etc/inputrc |
| 21:46.48 | mhall | But usually I take out my aggression on pcspkr instead |
| 21:46.58 | nfisher | :) |
| 21:47.01 | mhall | I think it might also have to be deleted from /etc/modules, too |
| 21:47.10 | mhall | pcspkr can be a persistent little bastard |
| 21:47.56 | nfisher | mhall: well,m thanks for now gtg. cya |
| 21:48.06 | mhall | nfisher: have fun |
| 21:48.12 | mhall | :) |
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| 21:53.51 | lokote_jones | Elements_of_inst: Just use Apache and Webmin? It works for me...? |
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| 21:54.55 | Elements_of_inst | lokote_jones, honestly i dont have apache, it is nginx. Can you bind your domain to your website with webmin? I never use webmin before |
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| 21:55.49 | lokote_jones | Elements_of_inst: Yes; you can. |
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| 21:56.29 | Elements_of_inst | lokote_jones, and you dont use any virtualization like OPENVZ? |
| 21:56.36 | lokote_jones | Elements_of_inst: You can use webmin to control the entire server from a GUI. I use it to make changes when necessary. You can control IPtables and Apache... probably nginx too; but you would need to look. No; I don't. |
| 21:56.48 | ryan_ | I'm trying to install a package from experimental, so added the repo and try using apt-get -t experimental install package* but its not installing the experimental one |
| 21:57.01 | lokote_jones | You can run multiple websiteswithout using openvz. |
| 21:57.05 | ryan_ | anyone know why? thought just added the repo was needed |
| 21:57.08 | lokote_jones | I run 6 websites off my server. |
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| 21:57.47 | jelly-home | ryan_: forgot to apt-get update? |
| 21:58.06 | ryan_ | nope did that also jelly-home |
| 21:58.17 | jelly-home | !tell ryan_ about bat |
| 21:58.19 | Elements_of_inst | lokote_jones, i dont have many website s, it is just one, but i need to deploy it on VPS, so i am doing deep researchs, ok thanks alot!! now i have a clear look on this stuff, it is a week i am researching and i am so sick of that stuff, i simply want everything to be right installed. Thanks for your advice! |
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| 21:59.35 | Elements_of_inst | lokote_jones, for iptables i am thinking to install SELinux |
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| 22:01.27 | patter | ok, installing cron on a pi, the cron package contains /etc/init.d/cron but this file isn't installed - how can I force it to install that file ? |
| 22:01.32 | Rockj | !tell Elements_of_inst webmin |
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| 22:01.49 | Dark_light | Empathy is painfully slow it takes like 30 seconds to 1 minute to open a conversation |
| 22:01.51 | Rockj | !tell Elements_of_inst about webmin |
| 22:02.01 | cusco | patter: try confmiss |
| 22:02.03 | cusco | !confmiss |
| 22:02.04 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 22:02.45 | ryan_ | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/XufKy0YN |
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| 22:05.14 | Dark_light | apparently empathy did not like being hibernated after rebooting it works ok now |
| 22:05.15 | Elements_of_inst | Rockj, but i am not using webmin |
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| 22:05.48 | Dark_light | nope it does it again |
| 22:06.10 | Elements_of_inst | Rockj, tell me about best webmin like system for Debian |
| 22:06.55 | patter | cusco: thanks |
| 22:07.01 | Elements_of_inst | Rockj, what about ISPManager Lite? |
| 22:07.03 | Dark_light | ok here's the thing empathy takes up to 1 min to show up a conversation ONLY if chromium is running at the same time |
| 22:07.48 | Dark_light | and has at leastone page open |
| 22:07.53 | cusco | np |
| 22:08.09 | Rockj | !free whcp |
| 22:08.10 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 22:08.45 | Dark_light | specifically |
| 22:08.48 | Dark_light | this page http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/disney-world-scheme--entitled-families-hire-disabled-guide-to-bypass-lines-194555620.html |
| 22:08.56 | Rockj | Elements_of_inst: check any of those I guess ↑ . I don't use web control panels ;-) |
| 22:09.19 | milligan | Whoa. Just did a dist-upgrade from squeexe to wheezy. MAJOR changes. And a lot of struggles :( Any quick ideas, before I google, why X doesn't start automatically ? |
| 22:09.23 | Elements_of_inst | Rockj, you must be guru, how do you configure the domain name to bind to your VPS? |
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| 22:11.46 | Rockj | Elements_of_inst: You research how DNS works, and either use the DNS control panel the provider gives you or run your own dns daemon (bind9 for example) to host your dns zone. I would go for option one to use your providers dns control panel if you want to get quickly going and just point your domain to your server. |
| 22:13.08 | Elements_of_inst | Rockj, thats what i wanted to head dear Rockj thanks alot!!! I only need the control panel to bind the domain to webserver. Thanks for clearing that for me! |
| 22:13.14 | Elements_of_inst | *hear |
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| 22:17.18 | Rockj | Your welcome and good luck on getting your vps up and running :-) |
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| 22:20.58 | tachikoma1010101 | Can anyone help with this experimental package install issue |
| 22:21.06 | tachikoma1010101 | http://pastebin.com/XufKy0YN |
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| 22:22.33 | squisher | hm, I wonder how I can bug about a nmu causing a multiarch bug |
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| 22:23.04 | squisher | s/how/who/ |
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| 22:23.28 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:23.46 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.55 | lenswipe | anyone know what's up with that? |
| 22:24.00 | lenswipe | I checked and mod_rewrite is enabled |
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| 22:24.55 | squisher | lenswipe, how did you check that? |
| 22:25.05 | user_ | hello ,i have usb access point and i cant install it,i'v tried may topics but still not working |
| 22:25.17 | lenswipe | "a2enmod rewrite" returns "Rewrite is already enabled" or something like that |
| 22:25.20 | tachikoma1010101 | can anyone tell me how the priority in apt preferences is weighted |
| 22:25.36 | tachikoma1010101 | 7 over 5 or 5 would be picked over 7? |
| 22:25.44 | tachikoma1010101 | as an example |
| 22:26.05 | squisher | tachikoma1010101, higher is better I think. There is more info on the wiki I believe. |
| 22:26.27 | squisher | lenswipe, did you restart apache2 afterwards? |
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| 22:26.58 | lenswipe | squisher, yep |
| 22:27.16 | lenswipe | i can do it again if you like |
| 22:27.25 | lenswipe | ah |
| 22:27.28 | lenswipe | it seems to be working now |
| 22:27.29 | lenswipe | that was weird |
| 22:27.45 | squisher | lenswipe, if in doubt always restart... reload fails too often ;-) |
| 22:27.52 | tachikoma1010101 | ahh yes higher is better |
| 22:27.59 | lenswipe | no, I did restart but that didn't do the trick the first time |
| 22:28.03 | lenswipe | seems like the second time got it |
| 22:28.04 | lenswipe | heh |
| 22:28.14 | lenswipe | thanks anyway |
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| 22:28.20 | squisher | yw |
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| 22:38.03 | user_ | any idea |
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| 22:39.06 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
| 22:39.30 | verysoftoiletppr | I'm running Debian Wheezy and something strange is happening |
| 22:40.06 | verysoftoiletppr | when I try to execute ./Plex\ Media\ Server |
| 22:40.28 | verysoftoiletppr | I get a message saying ./Plex\ Media\ Server could not be found |
| 22:40.34 | verysoftoiletppr | but it's there |
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| 22:41.15 | verysoftoiletppr | help |
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| 22:45.34 | Jeudi | verysoftoiletppr: have you tried /etc/init.d/plexmediaserver enable ? Use tab completion just to be sure I got the name right. |
| 22:46.32 | verysoftoiletppr | Jeudi I has not been installed with a package, so there is not script in /etc/init.d/plexmediaserver |
| 22:46.45 | verysoftoiletppr | Jeudi and I used tab completion |
| 22:46.47 | Jeudi | ah. ignore me then :) |
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| 22:47.21 | Jeudi | y |
| 22:47.25 | Jeudi | oops |
| 22:47.35 | verysoftoiletppr | Jeudi I basically unpacked a package made for ReadyNAS ARM |
| 22:47.52 | verysoftoiletppr | and was trying to run it directly |
| 22:48.03 | verysoftoiletppr | because there is no package for Debian ARM |
| 22:48.21 | verysoftoiletppr | Only ubuntu 32/64 |
| 22:48.22 | Jeudi | That's way over my head. Good luck :) |
| 22:48.40 | sdd6 | lol |
| 22:49.36 | squisher | verysoftoiletppr, what does file say? |
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| 22:50.03 | Jeudi | Wow, dist-upgrade squeezy->wheezy needs 218MB of additional space? Is any of that recoverable afterwards? |
| 22:50.22 | verysoftoiletppr | squisher give me 1min |
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| 23:08.38 | Aqua_Reef | Does anyone know how to build a software TAP on debian, besides using deamonlogger |
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| 23:15.49 | Elements_of_inst | Should i use SELinux with debian or other firewall? Which is the best firewall for Debian to work with webserver? |
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| 23:23.31 | Jeudi | I'm a little confused by the steps involved in upgrading the kernel. dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii shows "ii linux-image-amd64". My current kernel is still 2.6. What do i do now? |
| 23:24.49 | Jeudi | Here's the full output of the dpkg command: http://pastebin.com/eYMa24p6 |
| 23:25.00 | nkuttler | Jeudi: reboot? |
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| 23:25.35 | Arrowmaster | aptitude -r install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 23:25.54 | verysoftoiletppr | squisher: Plex Media Server: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.22, stripped |
| 23:26.08 | Jeudi | Arrowmaster: what does that do? |
| 23:26.26 | Arrowmaster | installs the linux-image-* package for your arch |
| 23:26.36 | Jeudi | okily-dokily |
| 23:26.53 | Arrowmaster | you probably still have a linux-image-2.6-* package so you wont get upgraded to 3.x |
| 23:27.32 | squisher | verysoftoiletppr, and uname -a? |
| 23:27.37 | Jeudi | It offers to remove 18 packages, but nothing kernel related. |
| 23:28.19 | Arrowmaster | strange |
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| 23:28.34 | Arrowmaster | Jeudi: you on amd64 or i386? |
| 23:28.43 | Jeudi | Arrowmaster: amd64 |
| 23:28.48 | verysoftoiletppr | squisher Linux debian 3.0.62 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 14 20:21:06 CET 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 23:28.55 | Arrowmaster | try installing linux-image-amd64 and see what happens |
| 23:29.29 | Jeudi | apt-get install linux-image-amd64? |
| 23:29.46 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:30.00 | Jeudi | "is already the latest version". |
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| 23:30.23 | Arrowmaster | what version of debian are you on? |
| 23:30.32 | squisher | verysoftoiletppr, this is a bit guesswork on my side, but I think there is an arch missmatch: arm vs. armv7l |
| 23:30.33 | Jeudi | Wheezy. I just finished the upgrade process. |
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| 23:31.01 | Arrowmaster | i would try looking at it in the aptitude interface |
| 23:31.39 | Jeudi | I'm going to try a reboot. If there's no change I'll launch aptitude. |
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| 23:32.47 | Vicissitude | I used synaptic to upgrade the kernel for wheezy. Worked perfectly |
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| 23:34.18 | Jeudi | Ah, a reboot did it. Where can I find out details on what I gained upgrading the kernel from 2.6 to 3.2? |
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| 23:37.34 | squisher | Jeudi, for a lot of people the improved hardware support is what matters |
| 23:38.31 | Jeudi | squisher: Ah, ok. New drivers and whatnot. |
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| 23:38.48 | Jeudi | squisher: Any changes that improve power efficiency? |
| 23:39.12 | squisher | there is a bunch more, but I'm not sure there exists a list specifically for the 2.6 -> 3.2 transition |
| 23:39.21 | squisher | Jeudi, probably ;-) |
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| 23:39.42 | Jeudi | squisher: lol. I guess I'll just see what happens. |
| 23:39.44 | Jeudi | Thanks |
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| 23:50.37 | Jeudi | Oooh, fancy new /etc/init.d response, in colour even :D Worth the upgrade alone. |
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| 23:51.44 | rwp | I actually turn that off. Each to their own. |
| 23:52.29 | Jeudi | Nar. Me likee |
| 23:54.23 | somiaj | it looks to much like redhat, and that is why I turn it off too (or mean to) |
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| 23:55.59 | rwp | somiaj, Set FANCYTTY=no in /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh and it is off if you don't want it. |
| 23:56.40 | somiaj | rwp: ahh Set is what I was missing. I tried to put FANCYTTY=no and got no results, and just didn't follow though |
| 23:57.01 | moof2 | when I use aptitude to dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, it finds conflicts, asks me if it should try harder, and never really finds a solution (to what problem I dunoo)... should I use apt-get? |
| 23:57.56 | rwp | somiaj, "Set"? Maybe slight confusion. Just "FANCYTTY=no" and nothing else in that file. Defaults on. That turns it off. That file is sourced by the logging scripts. |
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| 23:58.25 | somiaj | rwp: okay got it to work, not sure why it ditn'w ork last time (I dind't have the set the first time) |
| 23:58.30 | rwp | moof2, apt-get is recommended in the release notes. (I assume because it tends to resolve to solution better.) |
| 23:58.37 | somiaj | moof2: you should read the release notes, which say apt-get is prefered for this upgrade |
| 23:59.01 | moof2 | ok, thanks |
| 23:59.20 | somiaj | read the release notes, it gives some things to watch out for during the upgrade. |
