| 00:00.04 | moof2 | if I've done part of this, are the release notes on my machine? |
| 00:00.32 | rwp | dpkg tell moof2 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 00:00.55 | moof2 | also, for some reason my machine doesn't like linux-3.2, panics every time so far |
| 00:01.17 | somiaj | moof2: well then sounds like you have some debugging to do, as 3.2 is the default kernel in wheezy |
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| 00:01.31 | rwp | moof2, http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes |
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| 00:02.16 | Aliekexhi | more than one hour trying to make wifi working there, I should need help |
| 00:02.45 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: what kernel and what wifi card? |
| 00:02.54 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: most likely you are just missing firmware |
| 00:03.06 | Aliekexhi | 3.2.0.4-686-pae |
| 00:03.24 | Aliekexhi | somiaj, I can connect to my net rooter but can't authentificate |
| 00:03.31 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: dmesg | grep firmware (do you see an error about firmware)? |
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| 00:03.41 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: so you have the firmware installed, how are you trying to connect to the router? |
| 00:03.46 | Aliekexhi | it's using WEP but with a word as password, not a key with numbers |
| 00:04.15 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: umm, WEP only uses keys, not words |
| 00:04.16 | Aliekexhi | somiaj, for the firmware I must check, tried with wicd and ifwconfig |
| 00:04.36 | Aliekexhi | somiaj, my internet rooter tells it's WEP SCII |
| 00:04.39 | Aliekexhi | ASCII) |
| 00:04.42 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: can you log into the router and get the actual wep key? |
| 00:04.57 | somiaj | (I know some routers generate a wep key from a word, but you need the wep key to connect I thought) |
| 00:05.04 | Aliekexhi | Aliekexhi, yes with another computer I can do it |
| 00:05.07 | Aliekexhi | and connect |
| 00:05.09 | Aliekexhi | and get internet |
| 00:05.18 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: can you log into the router and find teh actual wep key? |
| 00:05.44 | Aliekexhi | yes |
| 00:06.04 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi guys anyone up to helping me with a compiler pie/dso problem? |
| 00:06.24 | Aliekexhi | somiaj, it's only a word, WEP ASCII type of authentification |
| 00:06.33 | moof2 | munches on a compiler pie |
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| 00:07.10 | JohnnyL | any of you get nvidia drivers working with 3.9? |
| 00:07.17 | Aliekexhi | the fact it's WEP not using numbers seem to be a problem to connect somiaj |
| 00:07.21 | Rockj | my experience is that clients can have troubles with WEP ASCII , also why not use WPA2? |
| 00:07.31 | fluffybunnyuk_ | @moof2 haha any good with specs files? |
| 00:07.35 | Aliekexhi | doesn't seem it's handled v ery well |
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| 00:08.16 | moof2 | I've seen files named specs... otherwise no unfortunately |
| 00:08.20 | Aliekexhi | Rockj, well I'm not alone using that network, lot of people will be unhappy if I turn it to WPA and they can't connect |
| 00:08.22 | fluffybunnyuk_ | id sell my soul i think for someone who knows there way round a specs file |
| 00:08.24 | somiaj | Aliekexhi: I see one comment that says you need to do s:XXXXXXXXXX for your key |
| 00:08.37 | Aliekexhi | somiaj, tried, doesn't work |
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| 00:09.04 | Aliekexhi | iwconfig eth2 essid blablabla s:password |
| 00:09.07 | Aliekexhi | didn't work |
| 00:09.10 | somiaj | yea seems wep ascii is just a way to generate a wep key. There should be a way to figure out the actual key |
| 00:09.14 | Rockj | try http://www.dirtymonday.net/key_convert.html |
| 00:09.23 | Rockj | convert the ascii to hex and use the hex value and see if it works |
| 00:10.22 | Rockj | Im just saying ive had weird issues with WEP ASCII, and I always solve it for friends to enable WPA2 as newer cards etc doesnt have WPA1/2 issues like I had troubles with in around 2007 |
| 00:10.25 | Rockj | or so |
| 00:10.27 | Rockj | from my experience at least |
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| 00:11.49 | Rockj | anyhow, try the page to convert your key. (found using google) |
| 00:12.02 | Rockj | and see if it helps to input the hex key instead |
| 00:12.14 | Rockj | iwconfig eth2 essid balbalbalba hexkey |
| 00:12.48 | somiaj | wep is also really easy to crack, maybe use this as an experiement to see how easy your network is to crack, and get the key that way |
| 00:12.59 | somiaj | tell your other network users how easy it is to crack and they may have you switch to wpa |
| 00:13.15 | Rockj | mhm. |
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| 00:13.51 | moof2 | sprinkles crushed cracked weps on his compiler pie |
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| 00:14.45 | nix\ | Hello, the correct way for disable unwanted services is using sysv-rc-conf ? |
| 00:14.50 | nix\ | Debian 7 KDE |
| 00:15.17 | fluffybunnyuk_ | ewww wheezy people :) |
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| 00:15.32 | moof2 | squeezes fluffybunnyuk_ |
| 00:15.34 | Aliekexhi | RTNETLINK answers : files exists |
| 00:15.36 | zykotick9 | nix\: i'd suggest using rcconf myself... |
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| 00:15.47 | nix\ | Ok, let me try zykotick9 |
| 00:15.49 | fluffybunnyuk_ | thanks moof nice to know someones listening :p |
| 00:16.00 | Aliekexhi | Rockj, doesn't seem like working |
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| 00:16.36 | moof2 | BUT i AM doihg the wheezy upgrade... it's kinda wet... |
| 00:16.52 | Aliekexhi | Rockj, oh actually sorry it does work XD |
| 00:16.56 | Aliekexhi | thanks a lots ! |
| 00:17.06 | fluffybunnyuk_ | @@@moof hows it working out? |
| 00:17.16 | Aliekexhi | tried hard looking in forum/man/debian doc without finding XD |
| 00:17.23 | Aliekexhi | and just simple conversion to do |
| 00:17.32 | Rockj | Aliekexhi: so my wisdom is approxly - some drivers thingie is incompatible with routers, as they use different algorythm for doing the ascii to hex translation I think. |
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| 00:18.11 | Rockj | this I learned back in the good old days when I was =¤)"#¤("#¤ over WEP ;-p so I ended up never using WEP ASCII, until I got a NIC that could handle WPA |
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| 00:18.25 | Rockj | now a days all NICs support WPA2 out of the box more or less if your not on quite old hardware. |
| 00:18.34 | jhujhiti | are the scripts that the kernel maintainers use to build packages available anywhere? |
| 00:18.44 | nix\ | zykotick9: Thanks, is very nice, most than sysv-rc-conf, except for not detailed service by runlevel |
| 00:18.45 | moof2 | well let's see. I'm just downloading right now, when it's done I'll probabl start it installing the packages... got a tissue? computer sneezed |
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| 00:19.10 | moof2 | it's about halfway done downloading |
| 00:19.20 | fluffybunnyuk_ | @moof no used up all my tissues crying about my gcc flags :( |
| 00:19.34 | zykotick9 | nix\: unless you've manually changed things, debian runlevels are pretty much useless ;) |
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| 00:20.28 | moof2 | well the runlevels 2,3,4,5 are identical, for the purpose the machine owner can change them |
| 00:20.35 | somiaj | nix\: update-rc.d service disable |
| 00:20.37 | nix\ | zykotick9: Why?. I want disable nfs, rpcbind, etc, common daemons for NFS, and I no use NFS never. |
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| 00:20.51 | nix\ | and exim4 |
| 00:20.59 | somiaj | nix\: I wouldn't disable exim4 |
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| 00:21.04 | fluffybunnyuk_ | lol u need a real distro then if ur runlevels r all the same |
| 00:21.06 | nix\ | somiaj: Why? |
| 00:21.16 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, no tissue? dang, I juat have to deal with all the wet |
| 00:21.17 | somiaj | nix\: I would say it is prefered to uninstall services you don't need, but the command I gave disables them |
| 00:21.28 | somiaj | nix\: some things just work nicely if there is a local mail delivery |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | fluffybunnyuk_: please troll somewhere else |
| 00:21.43 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, they did it on purpose |
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| 00:22.03 | fluffybunnyuk_ | @abrotman im not trolling thx |
| 00:22.06 | abrotman | you are |
| 00:22.16 | nix\ | somiaj: Yes, example, aptitude say that cron needs a mail service. |
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| 00:22.31 | nix\ | But i removed on other distros and np |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | !tell nix\ about why an mta |
| 00:22.47 | LeLutin | hmm I just installed xen on wheezy and there's no "xend" init script. was it renamed or replaced by something else? |
| 00:22.51 | Aliekexhi | Rockj, the older version of this internet rooter was working without problem with WEP ASCII, very strange |
| 00:22.53 | somiaj | nix\: again exim4 by default is configured to be a small local mail delivery only, so I woudln't disable it. |
| 00:22.54 | nix\ | abrotman: In arch, centos, fedora, slackware, i disable the MTA and all works fine |
| 00:23.05 | somiaj | nix\: you can disable it, things will just complain |
| 00:23.06 | Aliekexhi | Rockj, it seems they changed their way of converting |
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| 00:23.20 | abrotman | nix\: okay, why is it an issue in Debian? |
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| 00:23.35 | Aliekexhi | Rockj, it's a shame that people with ubuntu/windows can connect to my wifi without any problem XD |
| 00:23.42 | nix\ | somiaj: For reduce the ram usage. |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | !tell nix\ about nullmailer |
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| 00:24.11 | nix\ | abrotman: No issue, only aptitude say "cron needs a MTA, use mailx, postfix, etc"... |
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| 00:24.37 | abrotman | nix\: that's correct |
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| 00:25.18 | nix\ | nullmailer, interesting |
| 00:25.26 | nix\ | well on slackware i used mailx only |
| 00:25.32 | somiaj | nix\: yea I told you how to disable it and suggested you don't. But yea disable it if you want. (: |
| 00:25.58 | nix\ | somiaj: I disable it and all works fine. |
| 00:26.13 | abrotman | not "all", but good luck :) |
| 00:26.41 | nix\ | Really Debian 7 KDE is a great advance compared with 6. And the packages are much more newer. Very stable and clean KDE, no crashes. |
| 00:27.28 | nix\ | The startup of upstart is really nice, very clear, and the installer perfectly translated (i use es_ES) |
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| 00:45.52 | j_v | Quix86: have you had any luck getting fbterm to work as you want it to? |
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| 00:46.33 | Quix86 | j_v I got rxvt working in DWM earlier. I don't think it's quite as lightweight but it's working for now |
| 00:46.52 | Quix86 | I've still got some tweaking to do visually but I think it'll be alright |
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| 00:47.51 | j_v | Quix86: if you go back to trying fbterm, I suggest you do a local install of fbv... neither fbi nor fim are drop in replacements. |
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| 00:49.46 | j_v | Quix86: but if you are running dwm, you can't get much more lightweight than that. I've used it and thought it was good most of the time. Now I prefer i3. |
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| 01:05.38 | itomsawyer | hi, I upgrade squeeze to wheezy and notice that pidgin has been replaced by empathy. But by default there's no alert sound in empathy . How to deal with this? |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | you can install pidgin |
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| 01:11.31 | itomsawyer | eh... I want to figure it out actually |
| 01:11.52 | itomsawyer | empathy looks like more light-weight |
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| 01:16.44 | squisher | itomsawyer, if I'm not mistaken empathy uses libpurple for the major networks |
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| 01:17.19 | squisher | which is the library that underlies pidgin -- though that's no statement about the GUI of course |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | itomsawyer: seems like there's a Sounds tab in the Preferences? |
| 01:20.25 | itomsawyer | yes , I saw the sounds tab , and check all of it |
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| 01:20.49 | abrotman | and it makes no sounds? or just not a specific sound ? |
| 01:20.50 | itomsawyer | to be sure , I also checked the dconf |
| 01:21.12 | itomsawyer | it make no sounds at all |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | sound slike more of a pulse issue |
| 01:22.23 | itomsawyer | I have googled lots of article about alsa and pulse , but I don't know how this issue matters |
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| 01:26.04 | nix\ | can nullmailer handle local-only mail delivery ? |
| 01:26.54 | abrotman | what does the descriptoin say? |
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| 01:28.24 | nix\ | This is nullmailer, a sendmail/qmail/etc replacement MTA for hosts which |
| 01:28.25 | nix\ | relay to a fixed set of smart relays |
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| 01:29.05 | un214 | !android |
| 01:29.05 | dpkg | Android is a Linux-based operating system for mobile devices. http://www.android.com/ #android on irc.freenode.net. For the related font family, ask me about <droid>. |
| 01:29.20 | un214 | hmm no clue |
| 01:29.31 | un214 | how to mount android phone on debian wheezy? |
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| 01:29.55 | gnarface | so we can talk about wheezy in here now? |
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| 01:30.09 | abrotman | un214: you can msg the bot you know .. |
| 01:30.10 | un214 | current release is wheezy - see /topic |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | gnarface: we always could |
| 01:30.27 | un214 | sorry abrotman I forgot |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | un214: did you configure your phone to present as storage? |
| 01:30.57 | un214 | that's probably the problem then |
| 01:31.20 | themill | (not all phones can be configured that way) |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | un214: i don't have my phone handy, but somewher ein the settings, there's an optoin to "Charge Only" or "Storage" |
| 01:31.28 | Arrowmaster | un214: guessing MTP protocol? you need to install a program for that since i know the gvfs in wheezy doesnt support it and i bet kio doesnt either |
| 01:32.11 | un214 | themill: but nexus 4 can |
| 01:32.26 | themill | un214: no, it can't actually. |
| 01:32.37 | Arrowmaster | gmtp is the only program im seeing that will do it |
| 01:32.43 | themill | or rather, it will only present as an MTP device and not a UMS device |
| 01:32.44 | Arrowmaster | oh or mtpfs |
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| 01:33.12 | themill | failed miserably at getting any mtp programs to talk to the nexus 4 |
| 01:33.27 | un214 | right it needs an mtp program to mount |
| 01:33.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah i never had much success with them with my nexus7 |
| 01:33.49 | Arrowmaster | i hope the newer gvfs is better |
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| 01:35.45 | themill | Arrowmaster: what does gvfs use for MTP if not libmtp? Does it have its own NIH solution? |
| 01:35.50 | un214 | gmtp did it |
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| 01:36.16 | Arrowmaster | themill: no idea, i just know gvfs and kio both support it out of the box now |
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| 01:37.04 | Arrowmaster | gvfs-backends 1.16 debian package depends on libmtp9 |
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| 01:42.13 | hesco | How can I set the FQDN on a debian machine? As I read it, /etc/hostname wants the unqualified host name, not an FQDN. I can set a domain settings in /etc/resolv.conf, but that file advises that any manual changes will get overwritten. How do I make `hostname --fqdn ` do the correct thing on a debian box? |
| 01:42.40 | gnarface | is there a wheezy-updates? |
| 01:42.46 | gnarface | or just wheezy/updates? |
| 01:42.55 | themill | gnarface: both, just the same as squeeze |
| 01:43.34 | themill | dpkg: tell hesco about mailname |
| 01:43.41 | gnarface | thanks themill |
| 01:47.04 | darthanubis | gnarface, you can even set it in synaptic |
| 01:49.04 | hesco | themill: will applications other than mta's look at /etc/mailname? |
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| 01:50.24 | themill | hesco: depends. Changing hostnames is a bit like changing usernames -- it's a PITA because you find that these details have ended up in all sorts of places all over the machine. You should also define it in /etc/hosts as dpkg suggested |
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| 01:53.43 | hesco | themill: I set a FQDN in /etc/mailname and still `hostname (-f|--fqdn)` return only a hostname w/o the domain name |
| 01:54.10 | hesco | I'm working with puppet and need facter to discern the FQDN |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | hesco: what's in /etc/hosts ? |
| 01:54.31 | hesco | 127.0.0.1 $FQDN |
| 01:54.35 | hesco | among other lines |
| 01:54.44 | themill | hesco: full output in a pastebin please |
| 01:54.53 | hesco | sure, coming your way |
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| 01:57.22 | hesco | themill: sent paste your way by private IM |
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| 01:59.35 | themill | hesco: "127.0.0.1 localhost \n 127.0.1.1 machine.example.org machine" is sufficient. you can use your real IP instead of 127.0.1.1 if you want. I'm not a fan of multiply defining things like your own hostname in /etc/hosts although it should work. |
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| 02:04.42 | hesco | so, themill: it seems I am already doing that, and yet I still get no joy. |
| 02:05.10 | themill | hesco: no, you are not doing that, that's why I gave you that information. |
| 02:06.08 | hesco | so does it break things that I also included the local part of the hostname on the real IP lines , is that what breaks things? |
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| 02:08.53 | hesco | ok, thanks themill, at last hostname -f works for me |
| 02:08.56 | hesco | !!! |
| 02:08.57 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 02:10.20 | hesco | and now facter finds the correct values for fqdn, domain and hostname !!! |
| 02:10.32 | hesco | think I'm in business now. Thanks |
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| 02:15.45 | nix\ | the default folder for the mail sended by cron is /var/mail/root right and is not automatic showed when I log as root? |
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| 02:18.41 | abrotman | it might tell you that you have mail |
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| 02:22.19 | nix\ | abrotman: When I log in? |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:23.09 | smw | When I try to install linux-image-3.8-1-amd64, I get "E: Package 'linux-image-3.8-1-amd64' has no installation candidate", any idea why that would happen? I have the sid repo although the priority is -10 |
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| 02:23.22 | abrotman | do you know what that means? |
| 02:23.59 | smw | abrotman, are you asking me? |
| 02:24.44 | smw | nm guys, installing linux-image-3.8-1-amd64/unstable worked |
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| 02:25.32 | nix\ | abrotman: Ehm, a new info on /var/mail/root ? |
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| 02:27.35 | smw | silly question, what is happening here? http://fpaste.org/12472/13686712/ |
| 02:28.19 | smw | It isn't doing anything but it isn't giving an error, it just stops |
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| 02:31.15 | themill | smw: -10 is unlikely to be the pin priority you actually want. |
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| 02:32.36 | smw | themill, why not? |
| 02:32.48 | smw | themill, It has worked for me well so far :-) |
| 02:32.53 | themill | for precisely this reason. |
| 02:33.10 | smw | themill, is -10 causing http://fpaste.org/12472/13686712/ to happen? |
| 02:33.29 | themill | dpkg: tell smw about bat |
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| 02:34.14 | themill | without more information, that's hard to say. But with negative priorities like that, you miss out on any upgrades to packages you've installed and you have to fight with apt to resolve dependencies each and every time. |
| 02:35.38 | smw | themill, http://fpaste.org/12473/86717291/ |
| 02:35.52 | nix\ | abrotman: But, when I log in, no say "you have a new mail", i tested using: mail root, foo, foo., and done |
| 02:35.59 | smw | themill, fighting apt to resolve dependencies is a feature :-) |
| 02:36.09 | smw | themill, and I am tracking updates with apt-show-versions |
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| 02:36.24 | abrotman | nix\: did you check to make sur ethe message was delivered? |
| 02:36.36 | smw | themill, the fighting with apt stops me from doing something stupid like installing a newer libc |
| 02:36.48 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 02:37.33 | nix\ | abrotman: Ehm, not, only test using mail root, hello, hello, . and done. but /var/mail/root no exist |
| 02:37.43 | smw | themill, although, I must say that apt-show-versions seems to have issues with version numbers that end in +bN... I need to submit a bug on that |
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| 02:39.27 | smw | themill, http://fpaste.org/12474/71934136/ , If you need any other info, let me know. The apt-get output is extremely odd. No error, but no action |
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| 02:42.29 | seeker61 | can open my utube videos or any videos via web for that matter what do i need to apt-get install |
| 02:43.31 | smw | seeker61, flashplugin-nonfree perhaps? |
| 02:44.07 | seeker61 | so apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree would get it |
| 02:44.13 | smw | seeker61, yeah |
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| 02:45.42 | GinTonicool | how can i watch free live TV news |
| 02:45.57 | GinTonicool | thanks for help |
| 02:46.13 | smw | GinTonicool, that is not really a question for #debian. |
| 02:47.01 | seeker61 | well it says i already have the newest version |
| 02:47.07 | GinTonicool | smw ,buddy, does some software do the job in debian ?thanks |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | GinTonicool: which versoin of Linux? |
| 02:48.01 | smw | seeker61, hm, I had an issue at one point and had to sudo apt-get --reinstall install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:48.10 | smw | seeker61, don't forget to close all web browsers first |
| 02:49.27 | GinTonicool | debian 2,6.32 |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | GinTonicool: try cnn.com, good luck |
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| 02:50.09 | GinTonicool | what's the full name of cnn.com,thanks |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | i told you |
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| 02:52.10 | seeker61 | now my chat on facebook wont work |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | you installed flash, and your chat stopped working? |
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| 03:00.17 | seeker61 | abrotman: yes |
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| 03:00.50 | seeker61 | what is the uninstall command |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 03:01.52 | seeker61 | ok thanks good night |
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| 05:38.44 | frostyguest | hmm |
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| 05:39.41 | frostyguest | the TP-LINK TL-WN727N seems to have issues on linux |
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| 05:40.01 | frostyguest | maybe it's just the raspberry pi |
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| 05:42.13 | WormFood | geez, I'm drawing a blank here...what is the name of the tool to let me select what is run in a given runlevel, out of what is installed in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 05:42.17 | frostyguest | does anyone here have a usb wlan adapter that they recommend? |
| 05:42.29 | frostyguest | good experience/reliability/etc? |
| 05:42.57 | themill | WormFood: rcconf if you want something more than update-rc.d or "mv". |
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| 05:43.36 | WormFood | the wifi usb adapter that I have, that works well under linux, is rather old, but it was based on an RT73 if I remember correctly....while I have some newer ones, I haven't tried them under Linux, so I can't give you any good recommendations based on personal experience. |
| 05:43.43 | frostyguest | WormFood: sysv-rc-conf or rcconf |
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| 05:44.19 | WormFood | yeah, rcconf looks familiar |
| 05:44.19 | WormFood | thanks guys |
| 05:45.30 | frostyguest | you're welcome |
| 05:45.38 | frostyguest | anyone have any suggestions for a usb wlan adapter? |
| 05:45.56 | frostyguest | i'm looking for something preferrably "plug and play" with the linux kernel |
| 05:46.02 | frostyguest | (and debian kFreeBSD too if possible!) |
| 05:46.02 | mumpitzel | frostyguest: what chipset does your tp-link use? |
| 05:46.28 | frostyguest | it's a TL-WN727N |
| 05:46.30 | mumpitzel | my tplink t-wn822n works fine with a non-free firmware under debian |
| 05:46.41 | mumpitzel | chipset, not usb stick name |
| 05:46.44 | frostyguest | so rt2800usb |
| 05:47.00 | mumpitzel | get something atheros based |
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| 05:47.41 | frostyguest | hmm |
| 05:48.27 | frostyguest | any specific suggestions? tew-664ub? http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Wireless-Adapter-TEW-664UB-Black/dp/B001P9XHHS |
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| 05:49.13 | themill | frostyguest: Edimax EW-7811UN is a cheap little adaptor and works fine on the rpi (and other machines). Just needs the firmware package installed and, for the rpi, make sure you've got a decent power supply running the thing |
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| 05:50.10 | mumpitzel | http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-WN821N-Wireless-N-802-11b-Wireless/dp/B002D5EIT4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368683351&sr=1-2&keywords=wn821n |
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| 05:50.40 | mumpitzel | themill: no antenna issues? |
| 05:51.07 | frostyguest | hm |
| 05:51.17 | themill | mumpitzel: wfm but then I'm not pushing my luck with it |
| 05:51.39 | mumpitzel | it uses the atheros-htc firmware too? |
| 05:51.56 | frostyguest | mumpitzel: would it work during an install? (i do netinstalls -- would the adapter work for a system install?) |
| 05:52.28 | MidnightCommando | hi - i'm having unacceptable lag with a sshd running on a debian squeeze server; could i please get some help in troubleshooting the problem? |
| 05:52.30 | mumpitzel | frostyguest: only with the firmware installer. it needs firmware-atheros |
| 05:52.46 | MidnightCommando | i've already ruled out network - iperf reports good results and things that aren't ssh or scp work just fine |
| 05:53.14 | frostyguest | with the firmware installer... |
| 05:53.48 | frostyguest | that's a part of the installer i haven't seen? or do i need to have the system installed before setting up the tl-2n821n |
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| 05:55.06 | mumpitzel | frostyguest: /msg dpkg installer firmware /msg dpkg firmware images |
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| 05:58.40 | mumpitzel | nice: [1778949.221157] ath: EEPROM indicates we should expect a country cod [1778949.221160] ath: doing EEPROM country->regdmn map search [1778949.221166] ath: Country alpha2 being used: CN how the heck does it think I'm in china? |
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| 06:01.02 | frostyguest | thank you mumpitzel |
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| 06:04.17 | mumpitzel | ihow do I set debian wireless regulatory domain? iw doesn't work and giving ath9k_htc the countrycode parameter doesn't either :( |
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| 06:06.16 | themill | MidnightCommando: is the lag at login time only or always? |
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| 06:08.10 | CableNinja | having problems with dhcp on my wired connection. network-manager says 'activation failed' |
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| 06:08.52 | themill | CableNinja: daemon.log will have more details |
| 06:08.59 | CableNinja | alright, sec |
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| 06:09.34 | wheel | hello |
| 06:09.41 | wheel | ??? |
| 06:09.43 | wheel | ??? |
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| 06:10.54 | themill | wheel: yes your keyboard is working fine |
| 06:11.22 | wheel | themill: tks |
| 06:11.33 | mumpitzel | CableNinja: then check syslog or your kernel log what happened? |
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| 06:12.45 | CableNinja | mumpitzel / themill : http://pastebin.com/rLjaM6E4 |
| 06:12.53 | CableNinja | I dont understand it >.> |
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| 06:14.40 | themill | it never received a lease from the dhcp server |
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| 06:15.05 | MidnightCommando | themill: no, it's during the session |
| 06:15.29 | Bogus8_ | Does anyone know of a good VOIP forum or irc channel? |
| 06:15.31 | MidnightCommando | sorry for delay, i'm paying attention now :) |
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| 06:16.18 | themill | MidnightCommando: no idea then -- if it was just at connection time then I'd suggest "UseDNS no" in sshd_config, but that doesn't change things after connection. |
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| 06:17.30 | MidnightCommando | themill: yeah i thought that might be what you were going to suggest |
| 06:18.07 | MidnightCommando | it's weird, every other protocol is fine, mtr reports 15 hops and 330ms latency, it's just ssh itself which is being perversely slow |
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| 06:35.45 | ChrisH | /away |
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| 07:07.51 | damo22 | does anyone know if there is anything like zotero for iceweasel? |
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| 07:08.47 | histo | damo22: does it work with firefox? |
| 07:08.48 | darkapp | someone please help |
| 07:08.55 | damo22 | histo: yep |
| 07:08.55 | histo | darkapp: with? |
| 07:09.09 | darkapp | all my partitions have been deleted from grub |
| 07:09.11 | histo | damo22: then it should work with iceweasel I believe. |
| 07:09.22 | darkapp | i made some pastes earlier hold on |
| 07:09.27 | damo22 | histo: it says its not compatible when i try to install the addon |
| 07:09.30 | histo | darkapp: How? |
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| 07:10.04 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/4468/ |
| 07:10.17 | darkapp | i rebooted, and all my OS's disapeared |
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| 07:10.28 | darkapp | i had to reue my network install of debian |
| 07:10.37 | damo22 | "zotero could not be installed since it is not compatible with iceweasel 10.0.12 |
| 07:10.41 | histo | darkapp: what's your menu.1st look like? |
| 07:10.42 | darkapp | which i did earlier this day, for the first time |
| 07:11.01 | histo | darkapp: reue? |
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| 07:11.18 | darkapp | *redue |
| 07:11.25 | darkapp | like do it again |
| 07:12.11 | histo | darkapp: so you reinstalled? did you repartition your drive? |
| 07:12.29 | darkapp | yes |
| 07:13.01 | damo22 | sudo apt-get install xul-ext-zotero |
| 07:13.03 | damo22 | :D |
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| 07:13.35 | darkapp | wat will that do... |
| 07:13.48 | damo22 | tahts for me |
| 07:14.23 | darkapp | ok |
| 07:15.04 | histo | darkapp: well if you repartitioned and reinstalled. you most likely overwrote what ever other oSes you had |
| 07:15.31 | histo | dpkg tell darkapp about grub |
| 07:16.08 | darkapp | i had grup |
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| 07:16.24 | darkapp | and i repartioned on the 8gb thats never been used before |
| 07:16.27 | darkapp | it was swap space |
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| 07:19.49 | kingsley_ | darkapp: Why do you think the partitions were deleted? |
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| 07:20.49 | darkapp | because they didnt show up in the installation |
| 07:21.07 | darkapp | when it asked me how to make a partition for this os |
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| 07:22.04 | kingsley_ | darkapp: Have you ever used a so called "live CD"? |
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| 07:22.31 | darkapp | no usb |
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| 07:23.24 | kingsley_ | darkapp: Have you ever booted a Linux distribution that's on a USB pen drive? |
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| 07:23.59 | darkapp | yes |
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| 07:25.14 | kingsley_ | darkapp: Is my assumption correct that you'd like to install multiple operating systems, including Debian, on the same computer, and choose which one to run through a grub menu? |
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| 07:26.52 | darkapp | yes |
| 07:26.57 | darkapp | i had multiple os's |
| 07:27.04 | darkapp | mint kali and now debian |
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| 07:27.14 | darkapp | which i installed earlier |
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| 07:27.25 | truexfan81 | kali? |
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| 07:27.59 | Dewi | darkapp: probably best to boot a linux rescue live environment off a CD or USB, and look at the disk situation with parted |
| 07:28.06 | Dewi | gparted even |
| 07:28.36 | darkapp | can u suggest a program? |
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| 07:28.49 | damo22 | darkapp: which livecd do you have already |
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| 07:28.58 | truexfan81 | i wonder how long it will be before gnome starts removing useful features from gparted, they seem to have done that with everything else |
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| 07:30.15 | darkapp | damo22, all i have is a usb |
| 07:30.40 | damo22 | darkapp: so what is on your usb at the moment |
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| 07:31.15 | darkapp | the network install of debian, and everything else is kind of reformatted to not show |
| 07:31.25 | darkapp | i used a command dd something |
| 07:32.11 | darkapp | im not sure someone walked me through it |
| 07:32.22 | damo22 | darkapp: it is possible to rescue your system from that, but it will be a lot of fiddly typing in a console |
| 07:32.53 | darkapp | can u help? |
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| 07:33.26 | damo22 | darkapp: your best bet is to download a livecd image like ubuntu or something with a gui livecd and rescue your system using that instead unless you are comfortable with a console |
| 07:33.40 | yopyop__ | Hello, is anyone knows if squeeze backports will continue to be updated or i have to move to wheezy ? |
| 07:34.02 | darkapp | i know how to type in commands, and i just need one file really |
| 07:34.20 | darkapp | shouldnt it be some sort of simple command to reformat? |
| 07:34.53 | damo22 | darkapp: sorry i missed the start of your problem, what are you trying to do exactlyt |
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| 07:35.15 | darkapp | just get my usb back to normal |
| 07:35.33 | darkapp | its formatted to do the netwrok install of debian right now |
| 07:35.37 | ChrisH | On my wheezy box I get these named messages http://paste.debian.net/4476/ Is there anything _I_ can to to fix that? |
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| 07:36.16 | damo22 | darkapp: i thought your pc was in trouble and you lost your partitions or something |
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| 07:36.50 | darkapp | yes, but the important file is backed up on my usb |
| 07:37.03 | darkapp | something i would need today |
| 07:37.40 | funnybunny | anyone know if "jupiter" is avail on wheezy? |
| 07:37.42 | damo22 | so hang on, you need to rescue your hard drive install of linux but you cant use your usb because it contains a precious file? |
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| 07:38.01 | darkapp | my usb and hardrive contain the file |
| 07:38.22 | darkapp | but my usb was reformatted for a network install of debian |
| 07:38.42 | damo22 | darkapp: so your usb no longer contains that file |
| 07:38.55 | damo22 | ??? |
| 07:38.56 | darkapp | it should, its just knd of masked |
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| 07:39.26 | damo22 | dude what do you want to do |
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| 07:40.19 | darkapp | get the file |
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| 07:40.46 | damo22 | you cant get the file from the usb i am going to assume its gone from there |
| 07:41.01 | damo22 | but its on your hard drive |
| 07:41.13 | darkapp | no its on there, but the usb was formatted in order to do the network install of debian |
| 07:41.34 | darkapp | as in, theirs crapmasking my files |
| 07:41.38 | darkapp | on the usb |
| 07:41.48 | damo22 | no if you did a command called "dd" onto the usb, it killed what was there previously |
| 07:42.07 | darkapp | are you sure? |
| 07:42.10 | damo22 | yep |
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| 07:42.24 | darkapp | i was told it can all be recovered |
| 07:42.41 | damo22 | the hard drive can |
| 07:42.50 | damo22 | not your usb |
| 07:43.24 | darkapp | ok, and what was the program you suggested? |
| 07:43.50 | histo | darkapp: mount your hardrive and pull the file you need off of it. |
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| 07:44.27 | damo22 | darkapp: do you have a second usb stick? |
| 07:44.34 | darkapp | no |
| 07:45.04 | damo22 | then you need to fix your linux install and then reformat your usb |
| 07:45.16 | damo22 | THEN put the file back on |
| 07:45.54 | darkapp | ok how would i do that? |
| 07:46.14 | damo22 | do you have a cd burner and a spare blank cd? |
| 07:46.23 | darkapp | no |
| 07:46.26 | darkapp | just a usb |
| 07:47.01 | damo22 | then you probably could do something tricky |
| 07:47.14 | histo | darkapp: where do you have the file backed up? |
| 07:47.48 | damo22 | the file is on his hard drive, but his bootloader is cactus and all he has is a debian netinst usb stick |
| 07:47.52 | darkapp | the usb |
| 07:47.58 | histo | darkapp: and you overwrote it? |
| 07:48.19 | histo | darkapp: mkdir /tmp/old |
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| 07:48.47 | histo | darkapp: mount /dev/of/your/hard/drive /tmp/old |
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| 07:49.27 | histo | darkapp: copy the file out from /tmp/old/ to where ever. |
| 07:49.55 | darkapp | ok |
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| 07:50.16 | darkapp | mount: special device /dev/of/your/hard/drive does not exist |
| 07:50.31 | damo22 | but the debian netinst usb partition might not be readable on a windows computer |
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| 07:50.41 | giabboo | do any of you use net-snmp + swRaidMIB ? |
| 07:50.53 | damo22 | darkapp: where do you intend to use this file later? |
| 07:51.03 | darkapp | its a text file |
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| 07:51.39 | damo22 | darkapp: on another linux machine? |
| 07:51.43 | histo | darkapp: what text file could be this important to waste all this time? |
| 07:52.11 | histo | darkapp: can you pastebin the output of blkid |
| 07:52.13 | darkapp | my passwords |
| 07:52.34 | histo | darkapp: sorry not blkid pastebin the output of lsblk |
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| 07:53.25 | darkapp | NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT |
| 07:53.27 | darkapp | sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk |
| 07:53.27 | darkapp | ├─sda1 8:1 0 457.9G 0 part |
| 07:53.27 | darkapp | ├─sda2 8:2 0 1K 0 part |
| 07:53.27 | darkapp | └─sda5 8:5 0 7.9G 0 part / |
| 07:53.27 | darkapp | sr0 11:0 1 1024M 0 rom |
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| 07:53.42 | darkapp | woops |
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| 07:54.04 | darkapp | meant to post this http://paste.debian.net/4481/ |
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| 07:54.44 | damo22 | darkapp: why do you have a 1k partition |
| 07:54.58 | histo | darkapp: mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/old |
| 07:55.34 | darkapp | damo22, idk wat that is |
| 07:56.02 | darkapp | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 07:57.17 | damo22 | darkapp: file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 07:57.44 | darkapp | sticky data? |
| 07:58.00 | histo | darkapp: what? |
| 07:58.09 | histo | darkapp: -s is for special files not sticky data |
| 07:58.15 | darkapp | :/# file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 07:58.15 | darkapp | /dev/sda1: sticky data |
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| 07:58.21 | damo22 | your partition is cactus |
| 07:58.33 | histo | damo22: I believe he reinstalled |
| 07:58.41 | darkapp | is that a real term? |
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| 07:59.07 | histo | darkapp: did you reinstall to your harddrive? |
| 07:59.38 | darkapp | yes |
| 07:59.39 | histo | darkapp: how many entries were in this text file? |
| 07:59.53 | darkapp | entries? |
| 07:59.59 | damo22 | rows |
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| 08:00.07 | LeLutin | I just upgrade a computer from squeeze to wheezy that was using xen and now if I boot with the hypervisor I get this error (and xen is not working) : FATAL: Failed to initialize dom0 state: Invalid argument |
| 08:00.22 | histo | darkapp: yes how many passwords were stored? do you remember any of them? |
| 08:00.36 | darkapp | no idea, around 20 if i had to guess |
| 08:00.47 | histo | darkapp: do you remember any of them? |
| 08:01.04 | damo22 | i see where this is goiung |
| 08:01.15 | darkapp | no |
| 08:01.22 | LeLutin | has anyone seen this error with linux 3.2.0 + xen-hypervisor-4.1 ? |
| 08:01.31 | histo | darkapp: you don't remember a single word or password in the file? |
| 08:01.50 | darkapp | yes i remember some of the usernames |
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| 08:02.39 | damo22 | darkapp: you could try this but it will take ages |
| 08:02.40 | darkapp | passwords are 15+ characters with symbols and general randomnes |
| 08:02.48 | histo | darkapp: well you could strings /dev/sda | grep -i "username" |
| 08:03.00 | histo | darkapp: will take a long time though |
| 08:03.04 | darkapp | i got time i guess |
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| 08:03.09 | darkapp | how long is long? |
| 08:03.27 | histo | hours |
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| 08:04.17 | darkapp | command strings not found |
| 08:04.22 | damo22 | lol |
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| 08:05.01 | darkapp | ???? |
| 08:05.07 | damo22 | darkapp: what directory was the file in? |
| 08:05.26 | damo22 | /home/somthing? |
| 08:05.36 | damo22 | or /etc/... |
| 08:05.44 | darkapp | /home/hi/aDocuments/untitled folder |
| 08:05.51 | darkapp | i think |
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| 08:06.19 | histo | darkapp: did you reinstall an operating system to your hard drive? |
| 08:06.30 | darkapp | yes |
| 08:06.35 | damo22 | darkapp: do you know what filesystem type the old partition was? |
| 08:06.36 | darkapp | the one im on |
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| 08:06.50 | damo22 | was it ext3? |
| 08:06.56 | darkapp | ext4 i think |
| 08:07.07 | histo | darkapp: mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /tmp/old |
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| 08:07.28 | histo | darkapp: you realize that booting off of USB does not equal installing |
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| 08:07.39 | histo | ? |
| 08:07.51 | darkapp | theres an installation process.... |
| 08:07.55 | darkapp | its on the HD |
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| 08:08.17 | damo22 | if you knew you needed a file on there why did you reinstall |
| 08:08.32 | darkapp | i didnt reinstall mint |
| 08:08.35 | histo | darkapp: why would you reinstall potentially overwriting your data and then overwrite the backup of that data on your usb also? |
| 08:08.49 | darkapp | i reinstalled debian, after everything faile on me |
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| 08:09.01 | darkapp | and yes bad decision i guess |
| 08:09.07 | histo | ffs |
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| 08:09.19 | damo22 | darkapp: file -s /dev/sda5 |
| 08:09.34 | histo | darkapp: Since you are having trouble understanding. May I suggest you download caine or some other live distro that has forensic tools on it so you can recover the file |
| 08:10.01 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/4485/ |
| 08:10.39 | darkapp | /dev/sda5: sticky Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=d43c542a-64dc-4f9d-8cf2-eefbaf99aadf (needs journal recovery) (extents) (large files) (huge files) |
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| 08:11.02 | damo22 | is it mounted? |
| 08:11.16 | damo22 | or are you booted off the stick? |
| 08:11.16 | darkapp | idk |
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| 08:11.48 | damo22 | ... |
| 08:12.25 | darkapp | i booted off the usb with a netwoork install |
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| 08:13.41 | damo22 | darkapp: i have to agree with histo, you need a gui tool to fix this with forensic tools if you really want your file back |
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| 08:13.59 | histo | or more knowledge |
| 08:14.12 | darkapp | can u suggest one? |
| 08:14.13 | histo | darkapp: strings is part of the binutils package |
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| 08:14.59 | histo | darkapp: caine is a decent forensics distro. You will be using the tools in The Sleuth Kit with autopsy. The other option is to pull the hard drive and use a windows machine with Autopsy installed |
| 08:15.25 | histo | darkapp: I would do a keyword search for a username you know in the file to locate the data in unallocated space. |
| 08:15.27 | darkapp | ive heard fo caine i think |
| 08:15.46 | histo | darkapp: http://www.caine-live.net/ |
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| 08:16.05 | histo | darkapp: the same thing could be accomplished with any live distro but the tools are already installed in caine |
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| 08:16.32 | no_gravity | Hello! Trying out debian 7 for the first time today. |
| 08:16.41 | darkapp | ok so caine is a distro apparently |
| 08:16.57 | damo22 | darkapp: not apparently, he told you it is |
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| 08:17.24 | no_gravity | looks like vgscan is not there anymore. How do you list partitions in an encrypted lvm these days? |
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| 08:18.19 | darkapp | i thought it was something else |
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| 08:18.35 | darkapp | was thinking of the packet sniffer program cain and abel |
| 08:19.21 | darkapp | thanx for the help guys, looks like the download will take a while now though |
| 08:19.25 | damo22 | i reckon you might have repartitioned without formatting the old partitions |
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| 08:19.37 | damo22 | you could try testdisk |
| 08:20.02 | darkapp | command not found |
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| 08:23.05 | histo | darkapp: apt-get install testdisk |
| 08:23.13 | histo | darkapp: also install binutils while you're at it |
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| 08:24.10 | no_gravity | exit |
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| 08:24.45 | damo22 | darkapp: if you cant install testdisk you can use parted instead |
| 08:24.54 | darkapp | ok its working |
| 08:25.07 | darkapp | testdisk that is |
| 08:26.22 | damo22 | darkapp: i hope you can use it |
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| 08:26.28 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/4488/ |
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| 08:26.58 | damo22 | hit enter on the top one |
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| 08:27.23 | damo22 | (unless you had a hackintosh with some wacky partition table) |
| 08:27.31 | darkapp | i didnt |
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| 08:28.11 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/4489/ |
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| 08:28.51 | histo | darkapp: how are you pasting from the netinstall boot? |
| 08:29.01 | damo22 | good question |
| 08:29.15 | darkapp | umm with copy and paste |
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| 08:29.33 | damo22 | lol is this inside a vm??? |
| 08:29.33 | darkapp | wat do u mean netinstall boot? |
| 08:29.39 | darkapp | no |
| 08:29.45 | darkapp | its inside a terminal |
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| 08:30.08 | damo22 | you have a GUI??? |
| 08:30.16 | darkapp | no |
| 08:30.24 | darkapp | its inside a terminal |
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| 08:30.33 | darkapp | i typed in testdisk |
| 08:30.38 | darkapp | and it popped up |
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| 08:31.01 | damo22 | so what does your screen look like |
| 08:31.17 | damo22 | a gnome desktop with a terminal open? |
| 08:31.22 | darkapp | xfce |
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| 08:31.26 | darkapp | but ya |
| 08:31.34 | damo22 | umm ffs |
| 08:32.38 | histo | darkapp: I thought you were booted using the netinstaller off of usb? |
| 08:32.40 | darkapp | i just typed testdisk in the terminal... |
| 08:32.53 | darkapp | histo, yes i was.... |
| 08:33.00 | histo | darkapp: what are you in now? |
| 08:33.07 | darkapp | debian |
| 08:33.10 | damo22 | histo: he doesnt know how his computer works he pressed the power switch and something opened |
| 08:33.15 | histo | darkapp: booted off of what? |
| 08:33.27 | darkapp | a usb |
| 08:33.37 | darkapp | and damo22 no need to be mean |
| 08:33.47 | niklaswe | does someone running lxc under debian?? when I running command uptime, it show my host uptime and not my containers uptime, any idé how I should fix this? |
| 08:33.49 | histo | darkapp: You are very confusing to follow he's not being mean |
| 08:33.58 | darkapp | im still new to linux, and i have no idea wat u guys are talking about right now |
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| 08:34.20 | histo | darkapp: well you can use the strings command now right? |
| 08:34.21 | boudiccas | !u |
| 08:34.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 08:34.33 | darkapp | <damo22> darkapp: if you cant install testdisk you can use parted instead |
| 08:34.52 | darkapp | <histo> darkapp: apt-get install testdisk |
| 08:35.03 | darkapp | thats wat i did^ |
| 08:35.13 | darkapp | then typed in testdisk into the terminal |
| 08:35.24 | damo22 | darkapp: well use testdisk now that you have it there |
| 08:35.28 | histo | darkapp: We understand that. |
| 08:35.43 | darkapp | then we're is the confuzzlement? |
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| 08:35.55 | histo | darkapp: you initially stated you were running off the netinstaller booted off of usb. Now you are running some sort of debian live with xfce off of usb. |
| 08:36.33 | darkapp | xfce is like gnome, just a gui program |
| 08:36.56 | histo | senses troll |
| 08:36.57 | darkapp | corret? |
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| 08:37.04 | darkapp | *correct |
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| 08:37.23 | damo22 | darkapp: as far as i know, the debian netinst usb does not have xfce |
| 08:37.30 | darkapp | histo, i showed u all the outputs, could i have really faked that that fast? |
| 08:37.47 | darkapp | damo22, it does, under advanced options |
| 08:37.58 | damo22 | ok |
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| 08:38.48 | darkapp | so that was the entire problem with wat i was saying? lol |
| 08:38.49 | damo22 | darkapp: keep working on testdisk in that terminal |
| 08:39.04 | histo | darkapp: yes |
| 08:39.34 | damo22 | darkapp: where are you up to? |
| 08:39.57 | darkapp | http://paste.debian.net/4489/ |
| 08:40.14 | damo22 | do a quick search |
| 08:40.22 | damo22 | see if it can find a lost partition |
| 08:40.33 | darkapp | ? |
| 08:40.43 | histo | damo22: highly doubtfull at this point since he overwrote his partition table when he reinstalled |
| 08:40.54 | darkapp | i didnt |
| 08:41.05 | damo22 | darkapp: hit enter |
| 08:41.05 | darkapp | i put it on the 8gb that was swap space |
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| 08:41.42 | darkapp | umm, that looks like an incredibly slow search happening |
| 08:41.54 | damo22 | good |
| 08:42.08 | darkapp | 450 out of 61k |
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| 08:44.44 | darkapp | 3%done |
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| 08:44.54 | darkapp | im going to go out for a smoke i guess |
| 08:46.15 | histo | darkapp: proably would have been done with the strings command already |
| 08:46.36 | damo22 | yeah but it would only recover one pw |
| 08:46.47 | damo22 | he doesnt know the rest of the usernames |
| 08:46.53 | histo | damo22: you could expand the grep |
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| 08:47.06 | damo22 | guess so |
| 08:47.50 | amgarching | Hi! Is there any experience, or an official statement about upgrading Lenny -> Wheezy leaving out Squeeze? |
| 08:47.51 | damo22 | hey i just deleted my hard drive and all my backups, how do i recover an important file |
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| 08:48.53 | histo | damo22: and an ascii file that doenst' contain headers at that |
| 08:49.33 | Alina-malina | Hello all! Is there any mail caching server. For example the office has a very low internet connection, but the workers sending e-mails so e-mails go very slow and the most of the time workers have to wait for the process rather then typing e-mails. How it is possible to make work with yahoo, gmal and other e-mail services? |
| 08:50.32 | Konomi | for anyone using jessie and realtek audio (hda intel) you might want to avoid updating firmware-linux-nonfree I just tried 0.38 and it broke sound for me will file a bug report soon |
| 08:50.53 | damo22 | Alina-malina: if your actual internet connection is slow, having email services with gmail etc wont be any quicker |
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| 08:51.18 | p3rror | what is difference between extended and primary paritition |
| 08:51.34 | Alina-malina | damo22, i need something to queue the e-mails on server and send it at night for example or during some hours |
| 08:52.41 | LeLutin | I get a segfault when I try to run apt-get dist-upgrade .. is it simply lacking memory or could there be other issues? |
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| 08:53.14 | ChrisH | LeLutin: If its memory it will be printed |
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| 08:53.45 | LeLutin | ChrisH: hmm ok. I only get a segfault :\ |
| 08:53.57 | damo22 | p3rror: a DOS disk label contains only 4 entries called primary partitions... in order to have more than 4 you create an extended one which is like a pointer to another 4 |
| 08:54.05 | ChrisH | LeLutin: pastebin the full output onto paste.debian.net |
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| 08:54.54 | LeLutin | oh ... wait, I just re-tried it and it started asking questions (it was segfaulting during the "calculating size" phase |
| 08:55.52 | histo | p3rror: extended partitions are a container for logical partitions. Each logical partitioin has it's own partition table that points to itself and the next logical etc... They are chained together. That way you can have more than 4 partitions on a drive. |
| 08:55.54 | Alina-malina | damo22, and when workers finish writing they emails they submit to that server and server from their accounts send that letters to destination |
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| 08:57.12 | p3rror | damo22, I need to create 5 partitions |
| 08:57.13 | p3rror | damo22, /boot, swap, / , /home and /data |
| 08:57.13 | p3rror | damo22, when I want to create /data fdisk ask me to create one extended |
| 08:57.14 | p3rror | damo22, and I dont really know what that's mean primary nor extended |
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| 08:57.35 | alexidoia | that is a big sound in my speaker |
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| 08:58.09 | LeLutin | ChrisH: youch. it crashed again, but only later: http://pastebin.com/Lrvkb2Hj |
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| 08:58.42 | Dark_light | I'm experiences random freezes in gnome on wheezy as described here: |
| 08:58.43 | histo | damo22: I think we explained it pretty clearly to him didn't we? |
| 08:58.46 | p3rror | damo22, sorry I was disconnected |
| 08:58.47 | Dark_light | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=100041 |
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| 08:58.57 | histo | p3rror: damo22 and I explained what extended partitions are. |
| 08:59.09 | histo | p3rror: extended partitions are a container for logical partitions. Each logical partitioin has it's own partition table that points to itself and the next logical etc... They are chained together. That way you can have more than 4 partitions on a drive. |
| 08:59.21 | damo22 | yeap |
| 08:59.23 | damo22 | gtg |
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| 08:59.47 | histo | p3rror: so create an extended that goes to the end of the disk and then put logical partitions inside of there. |
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| 09:00.11 | cusco | hi |
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| 09:00.51 | p3rror | histo, OK clean now let me try this |
| 09:00.55 | p3rror | histo, thanks |
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| 09:02.21 | darkapp | histo, if ur still there at 19% |
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| 09:02.48 | histo | darkapp: I would do the strings command |
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| 09:03.03 | LeLutin | ChrisH: now if I try dist-upgrade again, I get : E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package python2.6. |
| 09:03.07 | darkapp | just tell me wat to do |
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| 09:04.05 | histo | darkapp: strings /dev/sda | grep -A 20 -B 20 -i "username_you_know" |
| 09:04.19 | p3rror | histo, http://paste.debian.net/4498/ |
| 09:05.01 | histo | p3rror: k |
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| 09:05.38 | ChrisH | LeLutin: apt-get update once more |
| 09:05.39 | tparcina | How to find out how much IP address, from DHCP range, is allocated? |
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| 09:05.57 | p3rror | histo, but I can not find /dev/sda5 |
| 09:06.04 | p3rror | nor /dev/sda6 |
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| 09:06.20 | histo | p3rror: What do you mean you can't find them? |
| 09:06.32 | p3rror | histo, when I list /dev/sda* |
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| 09:06.46 | p3rror | histo, I need to run mkfs.ext3 on /dev/sda3 |
| 09:07.15 | p3rror | histo, I need to run mkfs.ext3 on /dev/sda{5,6} |
| 09:07.18 | p3rror | I mean |
| 09:07.20 | histo | p3rror: you need to put filesystems on them to mount them |
| 09:07.27 | p3rror | histo, yes |
| 09:07.45 | darkapp | histo, command has been run |
| 09:07.48 | p3rror | histo, but after fdisk when I run ls /dev/sda{5,6} I have nothing |
| 09:07.54 | darkapp | seems like it will also take a while |
| 09:08.13 | histo | p3rror: did you see the warning that the kernel is using the old table until the next reboot or after you run partprobe |
| 09:08.14 | p3rror | histo, there was an error "WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy." |
| 09:08.33 | p3rror | histo, I guess I have to reboot |
| 09:08.41 | histo | darkapp: Yes but not as long to get your results so you can write them down |
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| 09:08.57 | LeLutin | ChrisH: I moved /var/lib/apt/lists out of the way and created an empty dir in its place. then ran apt-get update. now apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't give the error anymore but perl is completely broken http://pastebin.com/BRQPDd8f |
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| 09:09.53 | histo | p3rror: partprobe /dev/sda |
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| 09:11.22 | p3rror | histo, I can not find partprobe |
| 09:12.43 | histo | p3rror: just reboot then |
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| 09:13.31 | Alina-malina | Do i need a separate computer gateway for all workers to cache the e-mails on that computer and queue it send one by one? |
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| 09:14.12 | izrail | hi |
| 09:14.19 | p3rror | histo, nothing happened |
| 09:14.33 | p3rror | histo, after reboot I got the same thing I can not see the partitions |
| 09:15.16 | histo | p3rror: fdisk -l does that show the partitions? |
| 09:15.46 | Alina-malina | or some caching proxy server with queuing enabled? |
| 09:15.54 | p3rror | histo, yes it does |
| 09:16.06 | p3rror | histo, but I got the same warning |
| 09:16.06 | izrail | i'm trying to increase the allowed number of open files on debian 6.0.6. I already added "* hard nofile 8192" to /etc/security/limits.conf but with no result. after rebooting ulimit -n shows 1024 |
| 09:16.38 | izrail | i also tryed to set fs.file-max in /etc/sysctl.conf, also with no result |
| 09:16.47 | izrail | how is the intended way of doing this? |
| 09:17.14 | caf | you need to set both soft and hard |
| 09:17.35 | izrail | caf, i did. i set both to 8192 (just left it out in my post, sorry) |
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| 09:18.59 | p3rror | histo, http://paste.debian.net/4500/ |
| 09:20.15 | histo | p3rror: What is it you are trying to accomplish? |
| 09:21.15 | p3rror | histo, All I need is to create 2 more partitions |
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| 09:21.30 | p3rror | histo, and run mkfs.ext3 |
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| 09:22.32 | histo | p3rror: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda5 |
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| 09:23.05 | p3rror | histo, there are no /dev/sda5 |
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| 09:23.40 | ChrisH | LeLutin: need to fix my proxy first :) I do not see the apt-get update and please use paset.debian.net |
| 09:23.54 | p3rror | histo, please take a look at http://paste.debian.net/4500/ |
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| 09:25.23 | histo | p3rror: please try it |
| 09:25.59 | p3rror | histo, why I try mkfs even there are no /dev/sda{5,6} |
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| 09:27.38 | histo | p3rror: because |
| 09:27.51 | alvwil | Have I have to the right channel for help? |
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| 09:29.05 | histo | alvwil: depends on what type of help |
| 09:29.57 | alvwil | I'm installing Debian Wheezy for the first time with net install |
| 09:30.16 | histo | Good |
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| 09:31.36 | alvwil | The installer tells me I'm missing some firmware. I was able to find the missing firmware but I'm unsure what to do with it from here. |
| 09:32.29 | mumpitzel | alvwil: which firmware is it? |
| 09:32.49 | histo | !firmware |
| 09:32.49 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 09:33.03 | mumpitzel | typically you put it into /lib/firmware, but debian has packages for them already in non-free usually. that's a better way to install them |
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| 09:33.10 | Dark_light | Anyone experiences random freezes with gnome3 ? |
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| 09:33.22 | Dark_light | if so any solutions ? |
| 09:33.32 | alvwil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.49 | alvwil | and firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all |
| 09:34.54 | alvwil | I thought about putting them in the /lib/firmware folder however there both deb files |
| 09:35.18 | alvwil | I thought you could only do this with .zip and .tar files |
| 09:35.36 | histo | Dark_light: memtest |
| 09:35.48 | histo | Dark_light: and check your logs |
| 09:36.16 | histo | alvwil: you install debs |
| 09:36.39 | alvwil | histo: I downloaded the debs but have put them in the directory yet |
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| 09:37.13 | histo | alvwil: No you install debs dpkg -i somefile.deb |
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| 09:37.20 | darkapp | histo, both things are still running btw |
| 09:37.25 | Dark_light | histo: I will next time it happens, memtest is ok |
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| 09:37.33 | Dark_light | also there are quite a few people reporting similar issues |
| 09:37.34 | darkapp | 34% |
| 09:37.36 | Dark_light | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=100041 |
| 09:37.39 | Dark_light | histo: ^ |
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| 09:37.58 | alvwil | histo: Do I do this during the installation process or after? |
| 09:38.12 | histo | !dpkg tell alvwil about firmware |
| 09:38.20 | franco00 | hello, in X (xmonad), i typed setxkbmap -layout "us" -variant "intl" . Some dead keys (backtick, apostrophe) don t work though (they work in tty). What could be the problem? |
| 09:38.37 | Dark_light | actually not similar, exactly the same issue |
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| 09:39.09 | Dark_light | gnome3 frozen but the mouse sitll working, can switch to tty and kill gnome and it works, also the problem does not happen with xfce |
| 09:39.15 | histo | Dark_light: link no good |
| 09:39.27 | franco00 | (us base keyboard works flawlessly). |
| 09:39.28 | mumpitzel | alvwil: you cannot. you have to actually install them. or you read the factoid dpkg sent you |
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| 09:39.46 | Dark_light | histo: it opens fine here |
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| 09:39.55 | mumpitzel | alvwil: the installer firmware text. not what histo just sent you |
| 09:40.00 | Dark_light | histo: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=100041 |
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| 09:40.36 | alvwil | thank you I'll have aread |
| 09:40.38 | histo | dpkg: tell alvwil about installer firmware |
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| 09:40.57 | Dark_light | does it open? |
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| 09:42.13 | alvwil | I should mention I'm running the ISO image from my USB drive. Should I place both .deb firmware files in the /lib/firmware folder? |
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| 09:42.32 | histo | Dark_light: did you see some of the fixes suggested |
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| 09:42.46 | histo | alvwil: you didn't read what dpkg told you did you. |
| 09:42.49 | yeehi | Failed to install grub in Wheezy 64bit using text install onto a 300 MB /boot btrfs partition. There were 2 other partitions: encrypted swap and encrypted / What did I do wrong? What should I change? |
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| 09:43.29 | histo | yeehi: can you expound upon "failed" |
| 09:43.34 | Dark_light | histo: the swap fix? yeah but it's not exactly the smartest idea if you don't change fstab after it I just noticed it uses uuids so you need to change it to the new one or swap won't be mounted |
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| 09:44.47 | histo | Dark_light: the i915 fix if you are using that video chipset is also worth a look. |
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| 09:45.19 | alvwil | Just finished reading it. Would it be simpler if I installed the base system and then installed the firmware after wards? I'm sorry the instruction went right over my head. |
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| 09:45.34 | Dark_light | histo: the same guy says later that it did not fix the issue it's just less frequent |
| 09:45.53 | histo | Dark_light: What video chipset are you using? |
| 09:46.08 | yeehi | hitsto: I can't remember error message clearly. The Debian installer was unable to load grub onto the /boot drive. LiLo wouldn't work either. It wouldn't work if I changed /boot to ext4 either. Error message was failed to install grub2, something like that. Didn't say why |
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| 09:46.26 | Dark_light | histo: intel hd 3000, i915 |
| 09:47.01 | histo | Dark_light: I'd suspect there is some issue with gnome and that driver then. |
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| 09:47.10 | histo | Dark_light: check bug reports maybe |
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| 09:48.27 | Dark_light | brb |
| 09:48.49 | fishsponge | Hello! I'm now on wheezy and spooling is taking a very long time before it then reaches the printer... anyone have any idea why? I'm using an HP Laserjet over gigabit ethernet... |
| 09:49.19 | mumpitzel | yeehi: do a rescue boot with your debian install medium, then install grub with grub-install again |
| 09:49.35 | mumpitzel | alvwil: if you don't need network access while installing: yes |
| 09:49.49 | Iridos | fishsponge, perhaps /var/log/cups/error_log says |
| 09:49.53 | mumpitzel | alvwil: or you simply get a installer which already has the firmware on board |
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| 09:50.24 | mumpitzel | !tell alvwil about firmware images |
| 09:50.25 | ChrisH | fishsponge: check top and/or while printing a file and check which process are starting at what time. It can be anything like DNS or ... |
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| 09:50.47 | alvwil | mumpitzel: The reason for the network install was to create a minimal Xfce desktop |
| 09:51.15 | Dark_light | histo: in the thread there are also people using other chipset and drivers like nouveau and having the same issue |
| 09:51.36 | fishsponge | ChrisH, the "gs" command is using 100% CPU... |
| 09:51.37 | yeehi | thank you, mumpitzel. I ended up deleting the entire installation to get myself a working OS again. Do you think it is difficult to install grub from a rescue boot? I am not very good at this. Also, I think if it didn't work during installation, why would it work during a rescue...? |
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| 09:52.06 | jargon | is there no avidemux in the wheezy repo? |
| 09:52.09 | histo | fishsponge: ghost script |
| 09:52.10 | fishsponge | Iridos, that log file shows nothing... it's just the "gs" command taking ages! |
| 09:52.46 | jargon | oh. debian multimedia. nevermind |
| 09:52.47 | ChrisH | fishsponge: then there is the answer: gs takes that time to render the input file into a printer compabitable form. Try setting a new printer and retest. |
| 09:52.49 | fishsponge | should I chose a different driver for my printer? ...or why is ghostscript getting involved for printing something? |
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| 09:53.24 | fishsponge | ChrisH, do you mean setting a new driver for the same printer? or connecting to the same printer on a different socket? (i.e. lpr:// rather than socket:// ?) |
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| 09:54.45 | fishsponge | Right... here's the command that takes ages: gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dSAFER -sDEVICE=ps2write -sOUTPUTFILE=%stdout -dLanguageLevel=3 -r600 -dCompressFonts=false -dNoT3CCITT -c save pop -f /var/spool/cups/tmp/003515194d417 |
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| 09:55.17 | sig-wall | do anybody know where debhelper stores stamps? |
| 09:55.32 | Iridos | fishsponge, well, it does do that on some files... |
| 09:55.37 | sig-wall | I modified file and ran "dh build" but nothing happened |
| 09:55.56 | fishsponge | how can I stop using "gs" then? it seems to take ages... |
| 09:56.01 | sig-wall | I don't want to run dh clean, it takes very long time to build |
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| 09:56.32 | sig-wall | anyone? |
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| 09:57.17 | Iridos | fishsponge, everything goes via postscript, IIRC... you could see if someone in ##cups knows more ... or you could have a look at the doku in the gutenprint-doc package and see if that says something helpful |
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| 09:57.21 | histo | darkapp: you get your passwords yet? |
| 09:57.30 | ChrisH | fishsponge: I assume you are using CUPS, simply create a new printerQ with a different modelscript/PPD assigned |
| 09:57.35 | darkapp | ill check |
| 09:57.43 | darkapp | nope |
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| 09:57.59 | darkapp | 41% |
| 09:58.02 | darkapp | and unknown |
| 09:58.28 | histo | darkapp: what strings command did you type? |
| 09:58.38 | Iridos | ChrisH, but... doesn't anything *still* go via postscript, independent of what the final format is? Admittedly I haven't checked what happens for a long time... but that's how I remember it used to go |
| 09:58.55 | darkapp | s# strings /dev/sda | grep -A 20 -B 20 -i bakdor |
| 09:59.05 | darkapp | bakdor is the username |
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| 10:00.04 | histo | darkapp: k |
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| 10:00.25 | darkapp | is it supposed to take this long? |
| 10:00.48 | ChrisH | Iridos: If the printer is capable of doing PS, it should skip the gs step. |
| 10:01.15 | ChrisH | fishsponge: you could check the running gs process using strace on what it really does |
| 10:01.48 | Iridos | it still has to translate *to* postscript, even then... and what'd it use to do that? |
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| 10:03.46 | fishsponge | ChrisH, I am using CUPS... i have tried various models and different PPDs... one has worked such that gs goes away quickly and the job is straight to the printer, but then the printer takes *ages*... this never happened on squeeze! |
| 10:04.06 | fishsponge | ChrisH, i could try an strace, but that'll output too much info for the time being - i'm in a bit of a rush at the moment! |
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| 10:06.08 | Iridos | fishsponge, it's more probably your input file than anything squeeze<->wheezy... |
| 10:06.59 | fishsponge | input file? i've tried gedit, iceweasel, chrome, icedove... i'm not just trying one file, if you know what i mean... |
| 10:07.18 | Iridos | wait... this is plain text you're talking about? |
| 10:07.27 | fishsponge | nope - i'm trying everything. |
| 10:07.47 | Iridos | what is it exactly you're trying to print |
| 10:07.47 | fishsponge | plain text from gedit, web pages from iceweasel and chrome and emails from icedove. |
| 10:07.52 | Iridos | hm |
| 10:07.59 | fishsponge | i'm trying to print anything - it's all taking *ages* |
| 10:08.34 | Iridos | what was in /var/spool/cups/tmp/003515194d417 then? |
| 10:08.44 | fishsponge | also, i have 4 options, for example: postscript-hp:0/ppd/hplip/HP/hp-lj_300_400_color_m351_m451-ps.ppd |
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| 10:09.03 | Iridos | if you upload that somewhere, I could try running your... gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dSAFER -sDEVICE=ps2write -sOUTPUTFILE=%stdout -dLanguageLevel=3 -r600 -dCompressFonts=false -dNoT3CCITT -c save pop -f |
| 10:09.03 | fishsponge | I then have postscript-hp:1............. postscript-hp:2................. and postscript-hp:3..................... |
| 10:09.07 | Iridos | on it and see what happens |
| 10:09.15 | fishsponge | what is the difference between :0, :1, :2 and :3 ? |
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| 10:10.13 | Iridos | hm, and didn't cups have its own gs somewhere? |
| 10:10.23 | fishsponge | no idea |
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| 10:11.51 | fishsponge | i'm almost at the point of giving up now as i am in quite a rush! |
| 10:11.58 | fishsponge | frustrating... |
| 10:13.18 | Dark_light | histo: apparently it's a known bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702809&archived=False&mbox=no |
| 10:13.21 | Tjati | HI there. I need to write some custom scripts for my server administration workflow. some in bash, some in python. where's the best place to store them? maybe I want give access to other people and they should work with my custom scripts too. |
| 10:13.29 | fishsponge | and is dnssd better than socket or the other way around?? |
| 10:13.42 | Dark_light | Tjati: /usr/local/bin/ ? |
| 10:13.44 | Tjati | Is there any website with this kind of best practices, or somewhere a keyword I should look in the documentation. |
| 10:13.53 | Tjati | Dark_light: maybe! I am not sure. |
| 10:15.11 | fishsponge | Iridos, should I use dnssd:// or socket:// ? or does it not matter? |
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| 10:16.48 | ueb | hi everybody |
| 10:16.54 | Iridos | no idea... I got a network printer with lpd:// here |
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| 10:17.13 | sdd6 | hi all |
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| 10:17.30 | ueb | I've got problems configuring Exim4 for remote users auth |
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| 10:18.02 | sdd6 | houston i have a problem, system parameters on debian wheezy don't launch :(( |
| 10:18.13 | ueb | I've found this useful link https://github.com/Exim/exim/wiki/AuthenticatedSmtpUsingMysql |
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| 10:18.54 | milligan | Just upgraded to wheezy on my workstation as well now. I am missing the clock/date in the top right hand corner. How do I get that back ? |
| 10:19.31 | sdd6 | welcome on gnome 3... |
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| 10:19.53 | ueb | however smtp login does not work |
| 10:20.05 | sdd6 | normaly the clock is on top center |
| 10:20.18 | milligan | lol |
| 10:20.21 | Dark_light | milligan: there might be an extension to do it |
| 10:20.24 | milligan | slaps himself |
| 10:20.32 | Dark_light | try and look here https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
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| 10:20.49 | Dark_light | the main issue for me with gnome3 is random freezes though :-\ |
| 10:20.51 | milligan | I followed sdd6s advice and looked at the center of my screen. Found it there, haha. |
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| 10:21.37 | sdd6 | you cant move the clock, or try another theme like Dark_light tells you |
| 10:21.39 | ueb | I'm getting: incorrect authentication data |
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| 10:22.01 | milligan | sdd6, can I also make it display the date as well as just day/time ? |
| 10:22.14 | milligan | this is going to take some getting used to! |
| 10:22.26 | Dark_light | milligan: I'm pretty sure there's an extension for that jus try to look in that site |
| 10:22.30 | ueb | maybe because I did: EHLO LOCALHOST |
| 10:22.35 | sdd6 | right button / preferences |
| 10:22.37 | Tjati | Sorry, disconnect. Could someone repeat the one answer: the best place to store own maintenance scripts on a server? |
| 10:23.14 | Dark_light | milligan: actually now it can be arranged in the gnome-tweak-tool |
| 10:23.16 | ueb | but exim's smtp it's not accepting EHLO mydomain |
| 10:23.20 | Dark_light | it's already installed by default |
| 10:23.35 | Dark_light | under the shell option |
| 10:23.51 | ueb | anybody could help with Exim authentication please ? |
| 10:24.03 | sdd6 | milligan: or try simply xfce :p |
| 10:24.09 | milligan | I'll have to mess about with this for a bit .. Going to have a hard time getting used to this I think. I hated unity when I tried that.. finding my working windows is being pretty horrible so far, haha. |
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| 10:25.31 | Dark_light | milligan: I have to say I hated it at first but after a while I actually prefer it over xfce, but as I said the main issue is the random freezes hopefully you won't experience them |
| 10:25.45 | darkapp | histo, im falling asleep btw, dont know if ill be up when uts done |
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| 10:26.32 | milligan | Random freezes?? :( I'll keep my fingers crossed! |
| 10:26.38 | sdd6 | what is the executable name of system parameters please |
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| 10:26.49 | tdn_ | I have a server runnning wheezy. I have just put in two extra 3 TB disks in this server. I would like to run software RAID-1 on these with mdadm. How do I set this up? I have only been able to find docs on how to set up RAID during installation or on the rootfs/system disk. Also, there is the complication that this is 3 TB disks and so I cannot use fdisk/cfdisk as I am used to. I hope you can help me out. Thanks. |
| 10:27.17 | milligan | Dark_light, how do you navigate your working windows? |
| 10:27.31 | Dark_light | milligan: it happend a couple of time to me in the past two days, everything is frozen but the mouse, restarting gdm fixes it, here's a thread and a bug report about it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=100041 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702809&archived=False&mbox=no |
| 10:27.37 | Dark_light | milligan: with my mouse? |
| 10:27.48 | Dark_light | oh you mean like when they overlap? |
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| 10:28.03 | Dark_light | I go to activites and pick the one I need |
| 10:28.08 | Dark_light | from the overview |
| 10:28.18 | n3rV3 | tdn_, you can partition the disks using parted(enable gpt) |
| 10:28.31 | milligan | Dark_light, yeah, but I mean .. as far as I can tell, I have the top left corner of my main monitor to dock everything .. and I have the status bar at the bottom right corner (which doesn't have all my windows it seems) |
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| 10:29.12 | n3rV3 | tdn_, software raid is pretty straight forward to setup, but why are doing it on the server if you haven't done it earlier |
| 10:29.22 | Dark_light | milligan: the bottom corner shows the systray there'll be only notifications or systray items there (eg. skype) |
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| 10:29.39 | n3rV3 | tdn_, try it out on a test machine and then replicate the steps on the server |
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| 10:30.05 | Dark_light | the top corner opens the "overview" view to pick windows and it's where you'll launch applications, it's very handy if you use mostly your keyboard |
| 10:30.19 | Dark_light | you can just press the win key and start typing what you want to launch |
| 10:30.53 | Dark_light | same thing for the windows to choose them you can also just press the win key and then select the one you need |
| 10:31.13 | milligan | I'm also having some problem with something adjusting my volume levels automagically .. every time someone writes me on skype the sound will blast up .. |
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| 10:31.37 | Dark_light | that I don |
| 10:31.38 | n3rV3 | milligan, ghost in the shell? |
| 10:31.40 | Dark_light | '*don't know |
| 10:31.44 | Dark_light | I haven't exprienced it |
| 10:31.46 | Dark_light | I think |
| 10:32.01 | milligan | n3rV3, more like gnome3 and dist-upgrade totally changing my experience :P |
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| 10:32.07 | ueb | nobody is able to help with Exim auth ? |
| 10:32.12 | n3rV3 | :) |
| 10:32.27 | ueb | I'm fighting against this for hours... |
| 10:32.31 | ueb | please help |
| 10:32.32 | n3rV3 | ueb, sorry i don't know what your question is |
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| 10:33.39 | ueb | n3rV3: I'm configuring Exim4, and remote users are not able to login on smtp |
| 10:33.43 | boudiccas | i've just unplugged my computer by mistake and nowe its forgotten my user password, how do i get it back please/ |
| 10:33.46 | boudiccas | ? |
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| 10:34.11 | ueb | n3rV3: I edited Exim config file following this https://github.com/Exim/exim/wiki/AuthenticatedSmtpUsingMysql |
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| 10:35.58 | boudiccas | i've just tried 'adduser' foobar and it says 'foobar' exists, so what do i do to reinstate the password please? |
| 10:36.20 | Dark_light | boudiccas: can you login as root? |
| 10:36.28 | Dark_light | if so passwd username |
| 10:36.30 | boudiccas | yes, i'm in as root now |
| 10:36.36 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 10:36.43 | Dark_light | np |
| 10:37.07 | boudiccas | thanks, done |
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| 10:37.21 | n3rV3 | ueb, the link you pasted shows that its also configuring for mysql, did you try mysql login ? |
| 10:37.23 | sdd6 | problem solved, restore wheezy oO |
| 10:37.47 | ueb | n3rV3: yes, I'm trying to configure it for MySQL login |
| 10:37.47 | ChrisH | On my wheezy box I get these named messages http://paste.debian.net/4476/ Is there anything _I_ can to to fix that? |
| 10:37.52 | sdd6 | anybody have a solution for installing ati driver for a ati hd4800 ? |
| 10:38.19 | sdd6 | sorry for my english... |
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| 10:39.43 | ueb | n3rV3: I created mysql tables following this http://weijl.org/old/?page=exim4-dovecot-dspam-mysql |
| 10:40.13 | n3rV3 | ueb, try accessing smtp locally and if it works, check firewall/iptables settings |
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| 10:40.33 | ueb | n3rV3: yes, locally it works |
| 10:40.41 | ueb | n3rV3: the problem is for remote users |
| 10:40.49 | ueb | n3rV3: I try again locally.. |
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| 10:41.54 | ueb | n3rV3: should I use: "EHLO localhost" ? |
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| 10:42.59 | n3rV3 | ueb, use the server hostname instead |
| 10:43.11 | ueb | n3rV3: ok, excuse me, it's not working for local users too |
| 10:43.21 | ueb | n3rV3: I did this: |
| 10:43.25 | n3rV3 | ueb, what if you try localhost? |
| 10:43.32 | ueb | EHLO localhost |
| 10:43.39 | ueb | AUTH LOGIN |
| 10:44.11 | ueb | then it replies with: "334 VXNlcm5hbWU6" |
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| 10:44.29 | ueb | and here I type my username encoded with base64 |
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| 10:45.07 | ueb | info@mydomain.com, encoded with base64 |
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| 10:47.51 | ueb | n3rV3: any idea? |
| 10:48.14 | n3rV3 | ueb, if its not working locally then there is some issue with configuration |
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| 10:48.21 | ueb | yes |
| 10:49.01 | ueb | n3rV3: perhaps it's something on Exim config, something related to server_condition |
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| 10:49.37 | n3rV3 | ueb, you would know better |
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| 10:49.47 | milligan | Anyone else experienced with pulseaudio in wheezy? If I play music on spotify and lower the sound, it will blast up in volume when someone types me on skype.. ? |
| 10:49.54 | n3rV3 | ueb, why don't you try to setup smtp without mysql and then test it out |
| 10:50.25 | ueb | n3rV3: because I need virtual domain/users |
| 10:50.59 | ueb | n3rV3: and I'd prefer using MySQL instead of writing many files.. |
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| 10:51.41 | n3rV3 | ueb, i am suggesting that you try the simple configuration, get it working and then proceed to a bit more complicated one |
| 10:51.57 | ueb | n3rV3: yes, before using mysql, I used file-based |
| 10:52.04 | n3rV3 | and it was working? |
| 10:52.19 | ueb | n3rV3: and it worked locally |
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| 10:57.46 | n3rV3 | ueb, check the logs for any errors or hints |
| 10:57.53 | ueb | ok |
| 10:58.00 | tdn_ | n3rV3, I did not do it earlier, because I only had one disk. Now I have bought two new disks. The system is installed on one 250 GB disk, and I want to keep the system on this single disk (without RAID). The new disks will be used for data and mounted on /data. I want these two disks to be RAID1. |
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| 10:59.53 | alexidoia | does anyone know how to get to a specific line in vim ? |
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| 11:00.04 | n3rV3 | 10G |
| 11:00.39 | n3rV3 | alexidoia, type the line number followed by a capital G, to get to 20th line: 20G |
| 11:00.47 | alexidoia | ok thanks |
| 11:01.30 | alexidoia | n3rV3: like that /10G ? |
| 11:01.42 | n3rV3 | alexidoia, no just 10G |
| 11:02.04 | n3rV3 | a / will start the search for pattern 10G |
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| 11:02.05 | alexidoia | n3rV3: yes but to write it |
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| 11:02.18 | alexidoia | when I vim into a file I don't have the prompt |
| 11:03.09 | alexidoia | I will obviously not write this in INSERT mode |
| 11:03.10 | n3rV3 | tdn_, alright |
| 11:03.51 | n3rV3 | alexidoia, yes you need to press 'Escape' key to get into command mode |
| 11:03.59 | n3rV3 | and then type it in |
| 11:04.17 | alexidoia | n3rV3: yes that is what I am doing but I can type |
| 11:04.26 | alexidoia | do I need to : |
| 11:05.21 | alexidoia | ok so :10[enter] works |
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| 11:06.23 | n3rV3 | alexidoia, ok |
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| 11:08.04 | n3rV3 | brb |
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| 11:08.10 | alexidoia | n3rV3: while I am at it, when I do a search with /something, how can I quickly go to the 'next' result ? |
| 11:08.17 | alexidoia | ah ok |
| 11:08.26 | alexidoia | anyone ? |
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| 11:10.35 | boudiccas | i'm setting up a new printer via usb, i've installed the drivers with cups, 'HP-Deskjet-2050-j510' an dpressed 'apply' but nothing seems to be happening. what should i do next please? |
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| 11:12.08 | Tjati | Is there a way to prevent adduser to ask for additional information while using? using --quiet does not help and I can not find the right parameter in the man page |
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| 11:13.29 | n3rV3 | alexidoia, type 'n' key to go to next match, 'N'(shift + n) to go to previous |
| 11:14.15 | Tjati | and -c "" does not help, too |
| 11:14.27 | alexidoia | n3rV3: thanks |
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| 11:14.54 | n3rV3 | alexidoia, yw |
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| 11:15.46 | n3rV3 | Tjati, why not use useradd? |
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| 11:23.32 | Tjati | n3rV3: I wasn't sure. --gecos "" helped me out. |
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| 11:23.39 | DoctorWedgeworth | apologies for not being a Debian question, but it is apt. I'm trying to downgrade PHP on ubuntu 12.10 from 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.6 to 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.5. I've tried specifying the version number but it says Couldn't find any package by regex 'php5-5.3.10-1ubuntu3.5' (I expected that), apt-pinning looks like it can only hold installed packages. How can I do it? |
| 11:24.12 | ov3rmind | nice morning :) |
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| 11:24.46 | nkuttler | DoctorWedgeworth: ask #ubuntu |
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| 11:25.41 | DoctorWedgeworth | I've tried them nkuttler, but they seem a little more oriented to entry-level support. Would it be possible to downgrade a minor version in Debian? If it can be done via apt I'm guessing the process would be the same? |
| 11:26.10 | boudiccas | i've found 'http://localhost:631/' and when i try to add a printer it says 'forbidden', i've restarted cups but its made no difference, how then do i add a printer please? |
| 11:27.05 | DoctorWedgeworth | boudiccas, there should be a section in the cups configuration file to specify admin users, add your own there. If you can't find it, try logging into the cups interface as root as see if you can find the option in there |
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| 11:29.27 | n3rV3 | DoctorWedgeworth, try downloading and installing the package directly |
| 11:29.34 | oskie_ | is it possible to snapshot multiple LVM devices (across different volume groups) in a synchronized manner, e.g. atomically? |
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| 11:30.43 | n3rV3 | oskie_, you can create atomic snapshots of LV's(mounted as one partition) regardless of how many disks they are spread on |
| 11:31.32 | DoctorWedgeworth | I think oskie_ means either they all snapshot or none of them do |
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| 11:32.36 | n3rV3 | DoctorWedgeworth, you are right |
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| 11:34.33 | DoctorWedgeworth | can't find the package, thanks though n3rV3 (I didn't think there'd be a way from within the repos) |
| 11:35.45 | oskie_ | DoctorWedgeworth, n3rV3: yeah, multiple logical volumes in different volume groups |
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| 11:36.30 | n3rV3 | DoctorWedgeworth, if the package is available then it should get installed with apt-get |
| 11:36.39 | n3rV3 | wait give me a few mins |
| 11:36.58 | DoctorWedgeworth | I'm trying to downgrade the minor version not upgrade |
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| 11:41.40 | n3rV3 | DoctorWedgeworth, heres how i did it for pidgin, check that you have that version available in repo with: apt-cache madison pidgin |
| 11:42.02 | n3rV3 | then from the list install the version: aptitude install pidgin=2.10.6-3 pidgin-data=2.10.6-3 |
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| 11:44.49 | gugaua | Hello, I made an apt-get dist-upgrade on debian squeeze and now i can´t install php5 i get an error ca someone help me? |
| 11:45.16 | gugaua | i have broken packages |
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| 11:46.08 | n3rV3 | DoctorWedgeworth, important thing is you need to list multiple dependencies with correct version numbers |
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| 11:48.04 | zeeflo | in the /apt/mirror.list the default config is "unstable main contrib non-free" |
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| 11:48.15 | zeeflo | could I add "stable main contrib non-free" to it? |
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| 11:50.21 | zeeflo | could I add squeeze main contrib non-free and wheezy main contrib non-free ? |
| 11:50.28 | zeeflo | can I add as much as I want? |
| 11:51.02 | Alina-malina | Hello all! I have a GPRS internet shared between users at home(around 10 to 12 people) and sometimes it is impossible to use internet. My question is it possible to make some server, when there is a high load on internet it freeze the packets(like gmail, wepages) into queue and send after the the load is released? |
| 11:52.46 | boudiccas | how do i find out the usb bus ID device please so i can manually insert it into a hp[lip-gui to find my usb printer? |
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| 11:55.24 | sonkey4 | Alina-malina, that's alot of users for one gprs connection |
| 11:55.31 | ChrisH | Alina-malina: no. But you could setup a webproxy like squid to cache some pages. And setup your own DNS Server (eg. bind). |
| 11:56.41 | Alina-malina | ChrisH, oh thanks, does it mean that not all pages will be cached? Am i correct? |
| 11:57.46 | Alina-malina | ChrisH, like https stuff right? |
| 11:57.47 | ChrisH | Alina-malina: Anything cachable will be cached, https traffic cannot be cached. |
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| 11:58.37 | Alina-malina | ChrisH, oh thank you so much for help! Even cant be the traffic be cached itself even if it is encrypted? Anyway thank you for saving my time for understanding this!! |
| 11:58.40 | colo-work | is there a caching layer for block devices (like bcache, for example) available in Wheezy (w/ Linux kernel)? |
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| 11:59.50 | ChrisH | Alina-malina: caching traffic does not make sense. Its against the design of TCP, IP, UDP and protocolls above. |
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| 12:00.51 | Alina-malina | ChrisH, i see thanks! I thought i can queue the https traffic as well and send it later |
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| 12:01.55 | amgarching | could you check if a fresh wheezy installation contains a link /etc/alternatives/libblas.so.3gf ? How does one track "alternatives"? These links do not seem to belong to any package. How to find out why it is there? |
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| 12:03.43 | amgarching | dpkg -L libblas3gf does not show anything interesting, looks like a "dummy pkg" |
| 12:03.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching libblas3gf does not show anything interesting, looks like a "dummy pkg" |
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| 12:03.52 | Iridos | dpkg, alteratives |
| 12:03.53 | dpkg | Iridos: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:03.58 | Iridos | dpkg, alternatives |
| 12:03.59 | dpkg | somebody said alternatives was the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/alternatives/Contents has a recently created list of all the available alternatives-managed paths in Debian. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives |
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| 12:06.56 | boudiccas | how do i find out the usb bus ID device please so i can manually insert it into a hp[lip-gui to find my usb printer? |
| 12:07.47 | gramos | Hi guys, I'm trying to install skype on my debian wheezy and I get this error: https://gist.github.com/gramos/5591282 |
| 12:07.54 | Alina-malina | ChrisH, i mean caching not the traffic, but packets, sorry for misunderstanding that part |
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| 12:08.15 | gramos | I have an amd64 arch |
| 12:08.23 | amgarching | Should I interprete the fact that "usr/lib/libblas.so.3gf" is listed in http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/alternatives/Contents as a confirmation that a clean Wheeze should contain this link as soon as any of the alternatives is installed? |
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| 12:09.03 | amgarching | I get this on every linking: /usr/bin/ld: warning: libblas.so.3gf, needed by /usr/lib/libdmumps.so, may conflict with libblas.so.3 |
| 12:09.13 | ChrisH | Alina-malina: I was talking about IP Packets, too. |
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| 12:09.26 | Alina-malina | ChrisH, ok |
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| 12:11.20 | mircplus | s |
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| 12:16.31 | Tjati | Hey. is changing the home directory in /etc/passwd a secure way to do this? |
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| 12:16.47 | cusco | hi folks... I'm using rsync -avW to copy from usb disk to local disk... after rsync is done, du -sh shows source with 53G and dest with 31G |
| 12:16.50 | cusco | what am I missing? |
| 12:16.56 | Iridos | secure in....... gorn |
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| 12:18.12 | Iridos | cusco, --apparent-size |
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| 12:18.33 | Iridos | or possibly -b |
| 12:19.07 | wix | Hi. I just found out that zabbix is no longer supported by debian wheezy (http://wiki.debian.org/NewInWheezy). Is it permanent? I just found that post from last september to explain it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687916 |
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| 12:20.17 | Iridos | judd, versions zabbix |
| 12:20.18 | judd | No package named 'zabbix' was found in i386. |
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| 12:21.28 | abrotman | !tell wix about ssb |
| 12:21.28 | cusco | Iridos: ow apparent size differs |
| 12:21.33 | cusco | on usbdisk is 32987878380 |
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| 12:21.34 | abrotman | judd: versions zabbix-agent |
| 12:21.35 | judd | Package: zabbix-agent on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; jessie: 1:2.0.6+dfsg-1; sid: 1:2.0.6+dfsg-1 |
| 12:21.40 | cusco | on local disk is 32784282604 |
| 12:22.04 | Iridos | ah :) |
| 12:22.08 | wix | abrotman, thank you but I'm looking for packages for wheezy :s |
| 12:22.10 | abrotman | wix: you can contact the maintainer and ask them to create something for wheezy-backports for zabbix |
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| 12:22.18 | cusco | bloody hell, 20G of blank spaces? |
| 12:22.20 | abrotman | wix: IMO, a great idea/use for the backports infrastructure |
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| 12:22.34 | wix | abrotman, how can I contact them? |
| 12:22.35 | Iridos | cusco, different blocksizes |
| 12:22.42 | cusco | right... |
| 12:22.51 | Iridos | apparent-size should be the same, though |
| 12:23.15 | cusco | ok thanks |
| 12:23.34 | cusco | I deleted some files now from dest dir, so its ok to be slightly less |
| 12:23.41 | cusco | thank you Iridos |
| 12:23.49 | Iridos | at least so I'd think from the manpage... but perhaps need to give --bytes |
| 12:24.07 | Iridos | ah, ok |
| 12:24.16 | abrotman | wix: they have an email address ? |
| 12:24.21 | abrotman | judd: maint zabbix-agent |
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| 12:24.22 | judd | Package zabbix version 1:2.0.5+dfsg-1 was uploaded by Dmitry Smirnov on 2013-02-13, last changed by Dmitry Smirnov and maintained by Christoph Haas. |
| 12:24.58 | zgr | hello everyone, how is possible to install debian wheezy on btrfs subvolume? |
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| 12:28.37 | kephra | moin |
| 12:28.39 | amgarching | I am sorry to ask that again (I'll write it down this time). There was a magic command to find out what packages are not native to the distribution. I just went through Lenny- > Squeeze -> Wheezy upgrades. Aptitude reports some conflicts. |
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| 12:35.19 | nkuttler | !tell amgarching about obsolete |
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| 12:36.07 | Iridos | kephra, less /usr/share/doc/bash-completion/README.Debian ; less /etc/bash.bashrc /complet |
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| 12:41.24 | DammitJim | nice, I didn't know Google was using Debian on the new Pixie! |
| 12:41.34 | DammitJim | Pixel |
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| 12:42.25 | amgarching | thanks, nkutter. How comes aptitude search "~o" shows a lot of "id" packages, such as python2.5-dev? "aptitude show" says it is not installed. |
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| 12:43.33 | saban_ | hi. can somebody tells me how to check if i have 1000mb connection on my lan port? [ 383.352963] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None |
| 12:44.21 | zeeflo | saban_: |
| 12:44.26 | zeeflo | use ethtool |
| 12:44.32 | zeeflo | like: ethtool eth0 |
| 12:44.37 | DammitJim | ethtool |
| 12:44.42 | marvilleke | saban use: miitool ethx |
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| 12:45.10 | marvilleke | saban and thus miitool eth0 |
| 12:45.23 | zeeflo | yes, mii-tool will also show you the port negotiation |
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| 12:45.47 | ChrisH | saban_: dmes did already tell you: 1000 Mbps Full Duplex |
| 12:45.52 | zeeflo | yes hehe |
| 12:46.22 | saban_ | yeah i know it says 1000 Mbps but i only get 100mb transfer incom outcom... |
| 12:46.37 | kephra | Iridos, the question is more: how to disable this as a normal user (without root) - from $HOME/.bashrc |
| 12:46.53 | kephra | disabling it as root is trivial, apt-get remove |
| 12:46.54 | marvilleke | saban : what ChrisH is also a good start point to investigate |
| 12:47.03 | Iridos | aha... the old game of changing the question |
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| 12:47.51 | saban_ | i cant get over http://paste.debian.net/4535/ so i should search for problems on lan switches? |
| 12:48.28 | ChrisH | saban_: Keep in mind: 1000 Mega BIT / sec which is rougly 1000/8 Megaabyte/sec which is abot 100MByte/sec and a very good value! |
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| 12:49.16 | saban_ | ChrisH: yes but i only get Max: 12.14 MBit/s witch is 100 Mbps |
| 12:49.42 | cusco | Mbit/s or MByte/s |
| 12:49.42 | cusco | ? |
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| 12:50.06 | cusco | because I have 100Mbps and get to max 12MBps |
| 12:50.12 | ChrisH | saban_: how did you test that? |
| 12:51.28 | saban_ | ChrisH: with samba hdds are sleaping no load on server... and 100 connections are saying that they cant send all the data to server. at night when there is not so much transfer everything works ok :P |
| 12:51.36 | marvilleke | chrisH 4 saban: It looks like he using nload package |
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| 12:52.17 | ChrisH | saban_: Once more: How did you test to get the 12.14 MBits/s? |
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| 12:52.25 | saban_ | nload |
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| 12:55.31 | saban_ | 10475.60 kbits/sec on iptraf |
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| 12:57.49 | marvilleke | saban: what does a grep tells you in file daemon.log any related error? |
| 12:58.05 | amgarching | There is a lot of "aptitude search ~g" (garbage) packaged reported as "id". Gargbage "Matches packages which are not installed, or which were automatically installed and are not depended upon by any installed package. " according to aptitude manual. This is new to me, I cannot get wether they are "i"installed of "d"eleted? |
| 12:58.09 | Tjati | duh. how can i sent multiple lines to my mysql-client? i try to built a little bash script |
| 12:58.39 | Tjati | think mysql << "flush privileges;" will work, uh? |
| 12:58.53 | Tjati | but i have multiple lines, how can i take all to them in my pipe? |
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| 13:00.08 | vipergreek | I have just done apt-get install java-plugin then I noticed /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java, why is it not using 7? thanks |
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| 13:01.23 | Iridos | Tjati, I think you misunderstand what "command << word" does... |
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| 13:01.46 | Iridos | man bash search with "/<<" for < |
| 13:01.50 | Iridos | man bash search with "/<<" for << |
| 13:01.59 | zlude | Hello, someone can help me? http://pastie.org/7915868 |
| 13:02.22 | ChrisH | saban_: does nload only monitor or generate traffic? Can you test the speed using FTP and make sure all systems involved are connected via Gigabit and the switch does not get overloaded? |
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| 13:03.00 | Iridos | or perhaps better with something like netperf |
| 13:03.42 | vipergreek | Tjati: do you mean "heredoc", the ! as first char terminates input: |
| 13:03.42 | vipergreek | mysql <<! |
| 13:03.42 | vipergreek | my |
| 13:03.42 | vipergreek | multi |
| 13:03.42 | vipergreek | line |
| 13:03.43 | vipergreek | ! |
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| 13:04.16 | saban_ | ChrisH: just seended to network guy to check switch if there is bottleneck. im 99% that there should be the problem :P will post what happened when he checks |
| 13:04.17 | alexidoia | this sound is too damn loud!! (I know this is my client :)) |
| 13:04.59 | Iridos | zlude, get rid of the dotdeb php packages and try again... also, set LANG=C before you run commands you paste here, then we don't have to guess what the spanish bits mean... I also wonder why I'm seeing "lenny" in there |
| 13:05.15 | alexidoia | I don't understand, I have install round cube on debian but I have not got any /etc/roundcube |
| 13:05.30 | Iridos | which bring me to... and you also didn't say what you're actually trying to do and on what version of debian |
| 13:06.33 | Iridos | zlude, well.. actually that's the first thing... what the heck are you trying to do there |
| 13:06.48 | zlude | Iridos, again: http://pastie.org/7915890 |
| 13:06.52 | jelly | alexidoia: if you installed it from the upstream source tarball, you wouldn't get any /etc/roundcube |
| 13:07.12 | alexidoia | jelly: I used apt |
| 13:07.36 | milardovich | Hello guys, I'm having problems with my timezone. I just ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and chose the correct one and when I see /etc/timezone everything seems to be right, but the local time is still wrong. Any ideas? |
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| 13:08.42 | DotHack | milardovich: set the localtime? |
| 13:09.22 | milardovich | DotHack, isn't that the same as tzdata? or should I do something else? |
| 13:09.32 | jelly | alexidoia: dpkg -l libc6 dpkg roundcube-core roundcube |
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| 13:09.45 | jelly | alexidoia: is this on a fresh squeeze installation? |
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| 13:10.09 | jelly | alexidoia: or are you still messing with the broken one |
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| 13:10.33 | DotHack | milardovich: maybe in /etc/default/rcS you have UTC=yes? |
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| 13:11.14 | milardovich | DotHack, no, I don't |
| 13:11.51 | DotHack | milardovich: what exactly is you problem? the output of date is wrong? |
| 13:12.15 | milardovich | DotHack, right |
| 13:12.23 | DotHack | milardovich: show me whats wrong then? |
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| 13:12.42 | BenB | how do I force-remove a package that cannot be configured? |
| 13:14.15 | mumpitzel | what's the configuration error? |
| 13:14.22 | milardovich | DotHack, I just figured out what was wrong (I change it using ntpdate-debian). Thank you! |
| 13:14.30 | BenB | mumpitzel: |
| 13:14.31 | BenB | /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/upgrade-db: please do: [sudo] apt-get install db4.3-util |
| 13:14.33 | BenB | /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/upgrade-db: and rerun the upgrade again |
| 13:14.38 | BenB | but db4.3-util doesn't exist |
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| 13:16.11 | BenB | "dpkg -P --force-all cyrus-common-2.4" fails with this error (which makes no sense - I try to remove the package exactly because it refuses to run) |
| 13:16.23 | mumpitzel | ,versions db4.3-util |
| 13:16.24 | judd | No package named 'db4.3-util' was found in i386. |
| 13:16.30 | Iridos | zlude, don't use the dotdeb packages, use the ones from debian and this seems to be lenny, you cannot just install packages from newer distributions into lenny, you have to upgrade lenny->squeeze and then squeeze->wheezy if you want to use recent stuff |
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| 13:16.56 | mumpitzel | BenB: debian packages or 3rd party? |
| 13:17.08 | zlude | Iridos, ok, thanks! |
| 13:17.19 | BenB | mumpitzel: ubuntu distro packages. |
| 13:17.28 | mumpitzel | then ask ubuntu |
| 13:17.35 | mumpitzel | and check packages.ubuntu.com |
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| 13:17.41 | BenB | mumpitzel: this is a debian package and a debian problem. |
| 13:18.02 | BenB | could you please just answer my question above? |
| 13:18.10 | BenB | it has nothing to do with cyrus or ubuntu |
| 13:18.18 | BenB | <BenB> how do I force-remove a package that cannot be configured? |
| 13:18.48 | boudiccas | BenB: what version of debian? |
| 13:19.17 | BenB | can you just answer the question instead of replying with ever more questions? |
| 13:19.29 | BenB | *any* version of debian |
| 13:20.27 | boudiccas | For fluxbox users - I keep getting this 'BScreen::BScreen: an error occured while querying the X server.another window manager already running on display:0 Error: Couldn't find screens to manage.Make sure you don't have another window manager running.' how do i kill any previous wm please? |
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| 13:20.47 | mumpitzel | BenB: we don't support ubuntu, only debian, sorry. which is why I said: ask in #ubuntu |
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| 13:21.00 | boudiccas | BenB: if you';re not running debian then sorry, we cant support you. we /only/ support debian here |
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| 13:21.05 | BenB | mumpitzel: this is a question about apt-get and dpkg, not about ubuntu |
| 13:21.22 | BenB | are you intentionally hostile? |
| 13:21.41 | Iridos | dpkg, tell BenB about postrm |
| 13:22.19 | mumpitzel | no we are not. #ubuntu won't support debian users and #debian won't support ubuntu users. if you want cross distro support, ask ##linux |
| 13:22.27 | mumpitzel | !tell BenB about ubuntu |
| 13:22.29 | Iridos | BenB, it's probably the above. that said: we choose only to support debian in here and that's what the channel rules are. if any of us want to support ubuntu, we do /join #ubuntu and do it htere |
| 13:22.42 | Iridos | and I'd be grateful if we could drop it now |
| 13:22.50 | BenB | mumpitzel: "#debian won't support ubuntu users", ok, I count that as "intentionally hostile" |
| 13:23.01 | Iridos | *all* of us |
| 13:23.32 | nmschulte | Do aptitude and dpkg have different databases for which packages are held? aptitude is complaining a package is held back, but dpkg shows it's not. |
| 13:23.32 | mumpitzel | !volunteers |
| 13:23.33 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 13:23.49 | BenB | (FWIW, the only reason why I use ubuntu is the release strategy and LTS. and the hostile debian fan base.) |
| 13:24.01 | mumpitzel | BenB: please stop |
| 13:24.18 | BenB | mumpitzel: I had a very simple question. *you* are making a scene out of it. |
| 13:24.20 | mumpitzel | !tell nmschulte about held back |
| 13:24.49 | saban_ | BenB: just join #ubuntu and ask there... is that so hard to do? |
| 13:25.14 | BenB | Iridos: thanks for the help |
| 13:25.23 | BenB | all the others: thanks for telling me to go to hell. |
| 13:25.33 | boudiccas | BenB: push off |
| 13:25.35 | BenB | s/to hell/away/. I will obey |
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| 13:26.11 | nmschulte | mumpitzel: Yes; I at one point set a hold on libc6 and friends; and I have just removed it (According to dpkg). But at install, even w/ full-upgrade; aptitude complains that it is still kept back. |
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| 13:27.02 | mumpitzel | held back and a dpkg hold are different things |
| 13:27.19 | saban_ | that guy haves som problems |
| 13:28.19 | little-tommy | so, lvm, yes/no? |
| 13:28.41 | nmschulte | Then I'm not fully understanding. |
| 13:29.41 | colo-work | hmm, does the JDK/JRE installed by default-jdk on wheezy support TLS 1.2 in its SSL/TLS impl.? |
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| 13:30.05 | mumpitzel | nmschulte: <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package.<- this is dpkg hold |
| 13:30.17 | mumpitzel | whereas held back is something that happens to not cause a conflict |
| 13:30.40 | mumpitzel | nmschulte: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't resolve it? what is the package that is held back? |
| 13:31.23 | nmschulte | libc6 / libc6:i386 |
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| 13:31.40 | boudiccas | nmschulte: will apt-get get the package? i find that if its held back in one of apt-get/aptitude then the other tends to get it |
| 13:31.54 | nmschulte | I will try; one moment. |
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| 13:32.31 | nmschulte | seems to be trying. |
| 13:32.36 | nmschulte | very strange... |
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| 13:35.19 | nmschulte | Well, apt-get seems to have figured it out. Thanks folks. |
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| 13:52.56 | pagios | hello is there a way to set a login when accessing via usb cable this console ttySAC1? |
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| 13:56.32 | newtodebian | Hllo |
| 13:56.38 | newtodebian | hello** |
| 13:57.00 | newtodebian | New to the world of linux, please forgive my newbness |
| 13:57.46 | newtodebian | during partitioning I am asked if I want everything under one partition or to separate the partitions |
| 13:58.02 | newtodebian | What is the difference? |
| 13:58.18 | newtodebian | Is their a performance difference? |
| 13:58.52 | viriato | doesnt the partitioner ofer to automaticly partition the disk? |
| 13:58.59 | mumpitzel | not really a performance difference. but put it all under a single partition. or you might run out of space on disk cause one of these partitions is too small while others still have room |
| 13:59.09 | mumpitzel | viriato: yes that's how it does it. badly |
| 13:59.16 | boudiccas | newtodebian: for someone of your newness i'd just use one partition. i've used debian for a couple of years now and i still use one partition. |
| 13:59.37 | newtodebian | ok thank you boudiccas |
| 14:00.05 | boudiccas | newtodebian: you're welcome :) |
| 14:00.52 | viriato | mumpitzel, if its so bad why is it included in the debian installer? |
| 14:00.54 | newtodebian | I also ran into this error, stating that the drivers are not free (never heard of this before) got the following mesage asking me to insert a USB with the following drivers - b43/ucode15.fw b43-open/ucode15.fw |
| 14:01.11 | mumpitzel | viriato: historical reasons probably |
| 14:01.32 | viriato | mumpitzel, probably... |
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| 14:01.40 | mumpitzel | newtodebian: firmware is not free. you can use an installer which includes the firmware if you want |
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| 14:01.51 | newtodebian | I skipped the message, looked it up, confused the heck out of me but it seems to be a vary common error |
| 14:01.54 | mumpitzel | !firmware images |
| 14:01.55 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 14:02.15 | mumpitzel | newtodebian: just make sure to get the firmware later from the non-free repos so your wlan can work. right now it cannot |
| 14:02.46 | newtodebian | mumpitzel, ok thanks |
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| 14:04.11 | LtL | newtodebian: if you are in the install process, and on a ethernet cable you can get that firmware later |
| 14:04.43 | newtodebian | Thanks LtL, formating the hard-drive now |
| 14:04.58 | newtodebian | playing with linux on an ol' Dell D830 |
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| 14:06.39 | ChrisH | newtodebian: Hey, I still use a D800 in dual-headed for my daily work |
| 14:07.29 | LtL | newtodebian: you will want to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file after you are up and running. ask here about that. its quite simple |
| 14:07.56 | gramos | Hi I'm trying to install skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb and I'm getting a dependency error, I added the i386 architecture, and I still having the same problem |
| 14:08.00 | gramos | any help? |
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| 14:08.17 | ChrisH | gramos: did you run apt-get install -f |
| 14:08.58 | gramos | yes ChrisH |
| 14:09.00 | gramos | https://gist.github.com/gramos/5591990 |
| 14:09.16 | gramos | If i try to install the deps by hand I get the error you can see in the gist |
| 14:09.30 | gramos | libglib2.0-0 Breaks: libglib2.0-0:i386 |
| 14:09.56 | gramos | It should break because libglib2.0-0 is for amd64 |
| 14:11.34 | nmschulte | those broken depnds don't seem to make sense to me... |
| 14:11.52 | gramos | so? |
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| 14:12.12 | newtodebian | brb |
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| 14:12.22 | nmschulte | try the suggested solution to install the depends... |
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| 14:13.42 | gramos | nmschulte: which solution? |
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| 14:16.23 | Koma | Hi all! I'm going to need some program to deply machine and make them organized. I was wondering what is better to use puppet seems famous but chef seems more organized (looking at the site) any first eprson experience anyone? |
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| 14:21.35 | theothertom | Koma: I'm quite a fan of puppet, not used chef |
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| 14:23.35 | Koma | I'd really appreciate to have a web interface to monitor the status of updates/conformity |
| 14:24.11 | Koma | puppet doesn't have it in the opensource version... as I can see <- theothertom |
| 14:24.44 | theothertom | there is https://puppetlabs.com/puppet/related-projects/dashboard/ |
| 14:24.46 | Rockj | puppet-dashboard is a free one if I remember correctly |
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| 14:25.07 | Koma | cool! |
| 14:25.16 | Koma | now i just need a good howto :D |
| 14:25.30 | theothertom | though the way we've generally done things is to have tests around the manifests, then use mcollective to push them out |
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| 14:26.08 | theothertom | If you're looking at Puppet or Chef, I can highly recommend using vagrant for your testing |
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| 14:26.44 | Koma | vagrant? |
| 14:26.54 | theothertom | http://www.vagrantup.com/ |
| 14:27.12 | theothertom | it makes it easy to create/destroy dev environments in virtualbox |
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| 14:27.55 | Koma | freebsd/linux/windows mixed configuration with NFS dns apache mysql qmail and many more services |
| 14:28.00 | Koma | like 50/70 servers |
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| 14:28.32 | Koma | It's not quite the right solution :D |
| 14:28.34 | lokote_jones | Does Debian have a proper BBS server in the repositories? I tried to check using terms like BBS and Bulliten Board and couldn't find anything. Any one know a good Debian based BBS software for telnet connections? |
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| 14:35.29 | futex | Anyone have try to compile wheezy kernel with grsecurity patch? For me it's fails |
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| 14:38.23 | jelly | futex: use the upstream vanilla kernel instead. |
| 14:38.57 | jelly | (it's being maintained by the same person, pretty much) |
| 14:39.19 | MrFrood | lokote_jones: This may be overkill for what you need but http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/citadel-suite |
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| 14:39.34 | futex | Yeah, but i want to use only debian wheezy package, if it possible |
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| 14:40.30 | giabboo | do any of you use net-snmp + swRaidMIB ? I am not sure about its behave |
| 14:40.52 | Psy-Q | wow, damn |
| 14:41.06 | Psy-Q | i just virtualized a RHEL 3.0 machine from 2003 on virtualbox on wheezy |
| 14:41.09 | Psy-Q | that was not fun |
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| 14:41.22 | giabboo | did it burn the cpu? |
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| 14:41.30 | giabboo | =P |
| 14:41.41 | Psy-Q | lots of crazy things you need to take care of |
| 14:41.43 | find_help | Hi, i would like to use the find command to search for a set of files, then copy the output of the find command to a machine via ssh. something like "find . -iname "*.txt" -exec cp '{}' test@1.1.1.1 \; |
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| 14:42.02 | Psy-Q | e.g. it only works with kernel 2.4, and you can't use modern defaults to format an ext3 system, the old system can only support few features :) |
| 14:42.06 | giabboo | Psy-Q, have you ever virtualized with BOCHS ? |
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| 14:43.28 | nkuttler | find_help: cmd | ssh user@host "cat > file" |
| 14:43.32 | Psy-Q | giabboo: oh yes, 12 years or so ago? |
| 14:43.36 | Psy-Q | i remember VGABIOS |
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| 14:43.51 | giabboo | YES! There i can say, that was a lot to care of :D |
| 14:44.22 | giabboo | I remember i virtualized a slackware on bochs |
| 14:44.28 | giabboo | it was a damn hell :p |
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| 14:44.56 | Psy-Q | yeah, crap |
| 14:45.04 | Psy-Q | but it's bad enough with RHEL 3.0 on virtualbox! |
| 14:45.23 | giabboo | :) |
| 14:45.30 | giabboo | im working on centos now |
| 14:45.38 | Psy-Q | i wanted to upgrade them to centos |
| 14:45.47 | Psy-Q | but no centos releases with kernel 2.4 are available anymore |
| 14:45.50 | giabboo | and at the very moment im messing with net-snmp + SwRaidMIB (if u know that ) |
| 14:45.56 | Psy-Q | and they bought proprietary software that only works with a hardware dongle and kernel 2.4 |
| 14:46.05 | Psy-Q | i've never heard of swraidmib |
| 14:46.08 | giabboo | hmm, lucky you )) |
| 14:46.11 | Psy-Q | yeah :) |
| 14:46.24 | Psy-Q | i documented what i needed to do: http://blog.psy-q.ch/2013/05/it-archaeology-virtualizing-redhat-enterprise-linux-3-taroon-with-virtualbox-in-the-year-2013/ |
| 14:46.30 | Psy-Q | because those ext3 options seem non-obvious to me |
| 14:47.28 | giabboo | cool |
| 14:47.34 | giabboo | well, it's some old fashion way what u just did |
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| 14:47.56 | giabboo | I'm not sure about the swRaidMIB behave, so i ask for help |
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| 14:48.59 | giabboo | basically there are conditions where when i query a specific OID i get a different answer than querying the OID on its upper level |
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| 14:51.43 | Chelsea | Hi all, while trying to set up a chroot on a ssd card, I'm getting a mknod error message: "Operation not permitted". Even with --fakechroot flag. Does anyone have experience with this? |
| 14:52.32 | jelly | Chelsea: which filesystem type, and how is it mounted? |
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| 14:53.35 | jelly | Chelsea: also, are you root? |
| 14:53.47 | jelly | (because you have to be) |
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| 14:54.24 | Chelsea | jelly, Yes I did sudo, and confirmed write access... need to do a reboot though to see how it's mounted... 1 moment :) |
| 14:54.28 | kakashi_ | Please help me, I need a huge help :(, so yesterday I tried apt-get dist-upgrade, but unfortunately I wasnt able to upgrade due to http://paste.debian.net/4578/ ---> everytime I ended up getting this, nomatter what I did, including -f install, removing the package - libmjpegutils-2.0-0, purging it or the references, I repeatedly had this problem, unfortunately I had to reboot because of a memory intensive program crash, now when I s |
| 14:54.59 | kakashi_ | I have a static ip, and when I try to do /etc/init.d/networking restart I get http://paste.debian.net/4579/ |
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| 14:55.39 | kakashi_ | so, I am connected to the local network, also, I am connected to skype |
| 14:55.43 | kakashi_ | :| |
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| 14:56.09 | kakashi_ | so now, when I try to do apt-get dist-upgrade, i cannot download the packages that has to be installed |
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| 14:57.12 | kakashi_ | as of now, I am stuck in a loop, cannot connect to the internet, the command 'less' is broken |
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| 14:58.11 | mumpitzel | kakashi_: why don't you create the file then? |
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| 14:58.45 | scx | anyone here have WINE? |
| 14:58.57 | mumpitzel | !anyone use WINE |
| 14:58.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses WINE, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:58.59 | scx | could you put results of this commands?: |
| 14:59.12 | scx | find /usr/share/icons -regextype posix-extended -regex "^(.*/)?((wine\-notepad)|(regedit)|(winhelp)|(wordpad)|(winemine))\.[^/]*$" |
| 14:59.21 | scx | find /usr/share/icons -regextype posix-extended -regex "^(.*/)?[^/]*((wine\-notepad)|(regedit)|(winhelp)|(wordpad)|(winemine))[^.]*\.[^/]*$" |
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| 15:00.22 | newtodebian | Formating is taking ages, is this normal |
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| 15:01.38 | newtodebian | been formating for a bit over an hour and about to be a quarter of the way done |
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| 15:01.43 | themill | scx: you can get the listing of the files in the wine packages yourself and apt-file is your friend |
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| 15:02.31 | JohnnyL | how do you get nvidia drivers to work in the latest kernel (3.9)? |
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| 15:03.07 | scx | themill: i dont have Debian now and i cant use apt-file |
| 15:03.09 | abrotman | still ? |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | scx: you can use packages.debian.org IIRD |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | IIRC |
| 15:03.33 | kakashi_ | mumpitzel: well, I cannot, when I try that it says error writing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:03.35 | themill | scx: you can just download Contents.gz from your favourite mirror |
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| 15:04.21 | kakashi_ | and the disk is not full |
| 15:04.59 | newtodebian | 150GB hard drive, time frame has been over one hour, still saying "Erasing data on SCSI3 (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda) |
| 15:05.53 | newtodebian | does Debian "zero" out the hard-drive prior to install? |
| 15:05.53 | scx | abrotman: i didn't find any packages which contains this files |
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| 15:06.31 | scx | i know that some wine icons are in gnome-colors-commn: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome-colors-common |
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| 15:07.05 | scx | but i cant find icons for: wine help, wordpad, regedit and winemine |
| 15:09.03 | scx | i suppose that there is a script which create symlinks |
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| 15:09.56 | newtodebian | anyone? |
| 15:10.42 | jelly | scx: none of the finds output a thing on wheezy with wine 1.4.1-4 installed |
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| 15:11.20 | petn-randall | newtodebian: I'm guessing your HDD has bad blocks, and is taking several minutes for each bad block before giving up. |
| 15:11.50 | newtodebian | ah, ouch, that would explain alot, this puppy is crawling |
| 15:11.50 | petn-randall | newtodebian: You can change to another terminal and check your HDD with 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' |
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| 15:12.29 | petn-randall | newtodebian: don't know if the installer has smartctl, maybe you can install it with 'apt-get install smartmontools'. |
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| 15:12.50 | newtodebian | petn-randall: what tool would I use to do the check, let alone how do I do it |
| 15:12.51 | petn-randall | newtodebian: It can of course have lots of other reasons, but this is my hot guess. |
| 15:12.54 | scx | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 15:13.23 | newtodebian | petn-randall: ah, ok, installing Debian 7 (3 dvd set, 64bit) |
| 15:13.33 | petn-randall | newtodebian: read the backlog, I mentioned smartctl. |
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| 15:14.02 | newtodebian | petn-randall: sorry, not sure what that is, new to all of this :-p I will google it |
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| 15:14.21 | scx | How gnome/menu finds icons for *.desktop? http://pastebin.com/Sp6KLzvc |
| 15:15.27 | petn-randall | newtodebian: With ctrl+alt+F1 (or F2,F3,etc) you can change terminals. Change to one where there is a command line. Then type 'smartctl -a /dev/sda'. |
| 15:15.50 | petn-randall | newtodebian: If that says 'Command not found', you'll need to install the program with 'apt-get install smartmontools'. |
| 15:16.14 | newtodebian | petn-randall: ok |
| 15:16.17 | petn-randall | newtodebian: Tell me when you're stuck somewhere, I'll try to help you in between. |
| 15:16.46 | newtodebian | apt-get not found |
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| 15:18.29 | rethus | i have compiled php to /opt/php-5.3. How can i now create a deb-package of it, which is installable on other servers? |
| 15:19.03 | mumpitzel | rethus: easier to simply use a tar file |
| 15:19.15 | rethus | in which way? |
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| 15:19.29 | rethus | only tar the /opt/php-5.3 and extract it to the new server? |
| 15:19.36 | mumpitzel | tar your /opt/php-5.3 and extract it on the other servers |
| 15:19.41 | themill | (or fix the php or the users) |
| 15:20.01 | newtodebian | petn-randall: tells me apt-get not found... hmmm, gonna use the built-in hardware check see if that sees anything |
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| 15:21.21 | rethus | mumpitzel: k, but have i to do "make install" on the dev-pc where i compile it? |
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| 15:22.38 | newtodebian | petn-randall: Everything hardware wise seemed to checkout good, restarting the installation |
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| 15:27.58 | introom | hi. one of my friend failed to install unbuntu server 12.04 on a newly bought machine. I guess it's something related with uefi. How can I by pass it? |
| 15:28.19 | mumpitzel | introom: by going to #ubuntu |
| 15:28.22 | newtodebian | introom: turn UEFI off in the Bios |
| 15:28.44 | newtodebian | as far as I know UEFI is mainly built for Win 8 |
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| 15:29.36 | rethus | whats about this for creating deb-packages. this looks quite easy... http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/checkinstall/ |
| 15:29.52 | newtodebian | I am at the "Partition disks" screen and offered the following - |
| 15:30.19 | newtodebian | Guided - use entire disk / set up LVM / set up encrypted LVM |
| 15:30.33 | newtodebian | and Manual |
| 15:31.00 | newtodebian | First time during installation I selected "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" |
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| 15:31.29 | newtodebian | could that of caused the fromat to take so long? |
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| 15:32.26 | jelly | newtodebian: the "encrypted" part would, yes |
| 15:32.34 | newtodebian | that explains alot |
| 15:33.39 | newtodebian | jelly: what is the difference between "Guided - use entire disk" and "Guided - use entire disk and setup LVM" |
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| 15:37.47 | jhutchins_wk | lvm is an additional layer of complication that adds a point of failure between the disk driver and theOS. |
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| 15:38.51 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: The encryption setup writes zeros to every block on the disk, so that can take a long time on a large disk. |
| 15:39.13 | xenny | hey i was just wondering if i want to create multiple builds of the same kernel which can be installed in parallel along with their modules and don't want to overrwrite the previous ones, and say want to specify a specific naming convention like 'vmlinux-MYCUSTOMNAME' etc for the image, the modules etc how would i accomplish this in debian ? |
| 15:39.29 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: I would recommend using manual partitioning without lvm, setting up one / partion + swap (2x RAM up to 2GB). |
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| 15:39.57 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: Ah, ok, so I have one hard-drive at 150GB and selected guided with LVM, (its already installing) is that a good choice or should I go with the first option without LVM? |
| 15:40.10 | rethus | i try to put this into a deb-package |
| 15:40.14 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: Not worth going back at this point. |
| 15:40.16 | jelly | newtodebian: lvm adds a nice way to manage and grow filesystems online when needed and create consistent snapshots |
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| 15:40.34 | rethus | whats the best way to got this? |
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| 15:41.43 | jelly | newtodebian: lvm does make things more complicated and requires some learning |
| 15:42.07 | newtodebian | jelly: I'm new to linux in general, might as well jump into the deep end |
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| 15:43.16 | newtodebian | jelly: you said "snapshots" that made me think, with the growth of "The Cloud" wouldnt Linux be a prime canadate for that? |
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| 15:44.26 | newtodebian | jelly: with LVM and how everything is split (off of what I'm reading) backing up data would be simpler (atleast I would think) |
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| 15:45.39 | jelly | candidate for what? |
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| 15:46.42 | jelly | I have less than 1Mbps upload bandwidth at home. Backing up over internets is not feasible with these speeds. |
| 15:46.48 | franco00 | quick q: I am uzing wheezy, which www-browser allow you to navigate using just the keyboard (w/o mouse)? I found midori, iceweasel+pentadactyl and uzbl. Any other hit? |
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| 15:47.14 | newtodebian | jelly: hmm, wait, I saw something on the debian website... give me a sec |
| 15:47.15 | jelly | amusingly, I can easily back up by servers the other way |
| 15:48.15 | newtodebian | jelly: how about if we combined jigdo and cloud based backup? |
| 15:48.42 | newtodebian | jelly: in a sense, limit the amount of bandwidth used to backup the data |
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| 15:50.07 | newtodebian | jelly: for instance, I want my computer to stay backed up on the cloud, so I configure the application to scan "folder name here" for any changes at a specified time |
| 15:50.18 | jelly | you won't find duplicates of unique data, the things that are important to you, if they weren't backed up already |
| 15:50.44 | xenny | is there any reason why kernel version 3.9 wouldn't work with debian currently ? |
| 15:50.55 | jelly | xenny: not really |
| 15:50.57 | xenny | how much tinkering do they have to engage in to debianize it ? |
| 15:51.04 | jelly | xenny: they? |
| 15:51.12 | xenny | the package maintainers |
| 15:51.25 | jelly | it depends. |
| 15:51.29 | xenny | i mean the latest stable sources are all the way down at... |
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| 15:51.38 | xenny | 3.2 |
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| 15:51.43 | xenny | well i guess thats not so bad lol |
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| 15:52.08 | jelly | xenny: does anything not work for you when using the distro kernel? |
| 15:52.23 | xenny | jelly: no i just was hoping to stay bleeding edge |
| 15:52.28 | jelly | !sns |
| 15:52.28 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 15:52.40 | xenny | jelly: btw do you know th answer to my earlier question |
| 15:52.46 | xenny | lol nice chan trigger lol |
| 15:53.04 | jelly | xenny: sorry, I have not read your previous question. |
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| 15:53.11 | xenny | hey i was just wondering if i want to create multiple builds of the same kernel which can be installed in parallel along with their modules and don't want to overrwrite the previous ones, and say want to specify a specific naming convention like 'vmlinux-MYCUSTOMNAME' etc for the image, the modules etc how would i accomplish this in debian ? |
| 15:53.16 | xenny | there it be :P |
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| 15:54.31 | jelly | separate abi flavors (with different EXTRAVERSION) can be done, sure |
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| 15:54.57 | xenny | so i can take the same linux kernel source |
| 15:55.00 | xenny | same version |
| 15:55.06 | jelly | perhaps you'd want to read |
| 15:55.07 | cheetahw26 | I'm trying to find an old debian package of linux-image-2.6.36-686 , but can't seem to find it anywhere, in archives or anything... how can I tell if this was ever created and/or where I could find it? |
| 15:55.20 | jelly | dpkg, tell xenny about kernel-handbook |
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| 15:55.53 | xenny | read it lol |
| 15:55.56 | xenny | but abi ? |
| 15:56.02 | jelly | xenny: that's pretty much how debian builds all the flavors (-486, -686-pae, -amd64) from the same sources |
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| 15:56.36 | xenny | jelly: I know but i'm building a custom one with different options |
| 15:56.47 | xenny | jelly: minimized vs extra etc |
| 15:56.56 | jelly | same thing |
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| 15:57.23 | jelly | cheetahw26: /msg dpkg snapshots |
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| 15:57.28 | xenny | jelly: yes but call me ocd, i want to name them with a suffix like -Red or -Minna |
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| 15:57.45 | jelly | xenny: -686, -Red, what's the difference? |
| 15:57.55 | jelly | it's just an arbitrary label |
| 15:58.04 | outmane | please i don't know how i can yous Mirc |
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| 15:58.09 | outmane | please |
| 15:58.12 | outmane | help me |
| 15:58.31 | kaste | outmane: mirc as in the windows irc client? |
| 15:58.42 | cheetahw26 | thank you |
| 15:58.59 | xenny | jelly: big difference if i'm compiling the same kernel source as the installed kernel and i fuck it up lol i want it installed in parallel so i can just reboot, that and i don't want kernel modules overwritten etc and removed when i uninstall the dev package |
| 15:59.33 | jelly | xenny: you can install and remove various flavors independently |
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| 16:00.18 | xenny | really following the instructions in the kernel handbook |
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| 16:00.31 | xenny | i just compiled an arch specific kernel |
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| 16:00.45 | outmane | keste i dont know its my first time |
| 16:00.48 | xenny | and when i installed the new 'flavor' it replaced the old dev version completely lol |
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| 16:01.09 | jelly | xenny: you didn't specify the flavor correctly, then, I guess |
| 16:01.12 | outmane | *kaste* sorry i dont understand because its the first time i instal the mirc |
| 16:01.29 | jelly | xenny: just like you can have linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 and linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae and linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 installed at the same time, you should be able to make up your own ABIs |
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| 16:01.48 | jelly | xenny: I don't know the specifics tho, sorry |
| 16:01.53 | kaste | you are on debian linux and want to install mirc outmane, am I getting this right? If yes then try wine, if that doesn't work then it's not possible |
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| 16:02.28 | xenny | jelly:its ok, just getting a tad frustrated because this seems like something which should be SIMPLE but ABI's are what I should research further ? ty :) |
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| 16:04.29 | jelly | xenny: it's not simple if you want to build them from the same source, but if used make-kpkg, I guess it's just be a matter of using a different --append-to-version with each different .config |
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| 16:05.24 | xenny | jelly: i was worried there might be an issue with that because it defines make deb-pkg in the kernel manual and differing linux distros are quirky about things, but if that still works i'll give that a whirl :) |
| 16:05.27 | xenny | jelly: ty :) |
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| 16:08.21 | jelly | yeah, make-kpkg seems to be deprecated, and sometimes it misses a header file or three when building linux-headers-*, but it usually works |
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| 16:20.39 | xenny | jelly: well hey another question, when i boot my custom kernel its not mounting the the root fs and the sd{a..z} devices have disappeared any idea offhand what kernel module i may have unchecked like a douche ? |
| 16:21.25 | kaste | xenny: your ide/sata driver? |
| 16:21.40 | jelly | xenny: I don't know what hardware you have or what partition format and fs type you use, sorry |
| 16:22.20 | jelly | could be anything from a lowlevel hw driver to sd_mod |
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| 16:22.33 | jelly | ... to ext4 |
| 16:23.01 | somiaj | the sda devices not being there makes me think missing libata config options |
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| 16:37.59 | newtodebian | Odd, I can access the internet no problem but when attempting to run updates I get an error stating no network connection was detected |
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| 16:43.58 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: Define "run updates" - what actual command? |
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| 16:45.16 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: was running "Software Update" under Activites > Applications > System Tools |
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| 16:46.39 | jmd | aFTER UPGRADING TO wHEEZY xMODMAP NO LONGER WORKS. wHY? |
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| 16:48.15 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: Interesting. What happens if you run "aptitude update" as root in a console? |
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| 16:48.35 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: let me give that a try |
| 16:48.37 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: Because your capslock is on? |
| 16:49.31 | jmd | jhutchins_wk, That's whz I need Xmodmap. To turn it off. |
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| 16:49.55 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: ran that and shows a bunch of information on the screen, no error message of message of any kind |
| 16:50.13 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.41 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: Ok, look a little closer at what that "information" actually is, it's downloading indexes for your sources. |
| 16:50.59 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: aptitude upgrade will now download and install available upgrades. |
| 16:51.28 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: It remains to be seen why the GUI thinks it can't reach the network. |
| 16:52.01 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: did aptitude upgrade and said 0 on everything, I am thinking it may be bacause I am on a domain |
| 16:52.33 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: I am running the amd64 version of Debian 7 |
| 16:52.41 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: Can you get a browser to http://debian.org? |
| 16:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: Maybe that "information" was 404s saying it couldn't reach the servers? |
| 16:53.14 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: I can get to debian.org |
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| 16:53.49 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: On a new wheezy install there probably AREN'T any updtes though. |
| 16:54.24 | jhutchins_wk | This isn't ubuntu where you get a minimum of three a day. |
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| 16:55.42 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: ok, I am new to the whole linux thing, I downloaded the 3 DVD amd64 set and only used 2 of the 3 dvd's |
| 16:56.17 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, that's not unusual. Beyond the first two it's internationalization and alternative architectures. |
| 16:56.30 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: in a nutshell, I have no idea what the heck I am doing |
| 16:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | newtodebian: Since the DVDs were just built on the 4th/5th they should be pretty current. |
| 16:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | I guess I should go get lunch... |
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| 16:57.09 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: awesome, what does linux offer of Win? |
| 16:57.18 | newtodebian | jhutchins_wk: have fun with lunch! :-p |
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| 17:00.40 | newtodebian | Being new to the world of linux, is there anything recommended software wise? How should I get started? (I feel like an idiot right now, no idea what I'm looking at or what it is capable of) |
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| 17:00.59 | LLckfan | Can some1 tell me why in Google Chrome it sometimes will not go to the address I type in but if I click a link somewhere it goes to that address without an issue |
| 17:01.07 | meadhikari | hi, how do i disable auto open of pendrive, thanks for the help in advance |
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| 17:01.31 | leysen | I rent a Debian VPS from a provider, and I want an SSLcertificate installed in my website. It's a shared host, though, and the company is telling me that I need to buy a static dedicated IP address in order to install my already-signed SSL certificate |
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| 17:01.47 | leysen | Do I really need a static IP, or are they just trying to get me to buy something I don't need? |
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| 17:03.04 | jmd | leysen, how can you run a website without a static IP? |
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| 17:03.53 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 17:04.34 | leysen | jmd: It's a shared host, meaning other people also use the same IP |
| 17:04.46 | leysen | I don't have full OS access |
| 17:04.47 | johnfg | for some reason my vnc server seems to have stopped working in squeeze, lxde. How to check what's wrong? |
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| 17:05.00 | jmd | Oh. |
| 17:05.19 | leysen | I would think that they could install the SSL keyfile and signed certificate anyway |
| 17:05.23 | johnfg | not a port issue, seemingly. |
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| 17:05.56 | leysen | But they say it will cost €50 / year |
| 17:06.06 | leysen | "In order to install an SSL certificate you must do this on an unique IP. If you wish you can purchase an Unique IP for only €50 a year. " |
| 17:06.19 | newtodebian | odd, I just attempted to get an app called "bluefish" and instead of pulling it from the internet it wants disk 2 |
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| 17:06.38 | leysen | Part of me believes that they are just made I didn't buy their own overpriced SSL cert auth |
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| 17:09.02 | Brigo | newtodebian: problems with your sources, you need to configure repositeries |
| 17:09.17 | jmd | More exactly, the xmodmap application seems to work fine. But the X server simply ignores the map. It worked fine on squeeze. How can I fix this? |
| 17:09.58 | newtodebian | Bringo: ok thanks, work is callin, will ask about that when I get back, :-D |
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| 17:21.24 | jumpy | How can i make apt-get stop looking at a broken mysql-server install i corrupted? |
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| 17:21.49 | jumpy | log: http://privatepaste.com/a21d10babe |
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| 17:24.43 | jumpy | anyone? |
| 17:25.02 | postfixer | what? |
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| 17:25.22 | postfixer | you want to remove it? |
| 17:25.24 | format_c | any databases? |
| 17:25.30 | n3rV3 | jumpy, why not fix the broken install |
| 17:25.51 | n3rV3 | format_c, yes plenty but whats your question? |
| 17:25.53 | jumpy | Is it a broken install? |
| 17:26.00 | jumpy | all i wanted to is remove apache2 |
| 17:26.13 | postfixer | jumpy: apn |
| 17:26.18 | postfixer | jumpy: apt-get purge apache2 |
| 17:26.30 | jumpy | yes |
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| 17:26.36 | n3rV3 | jumpy, no i didn't mean that, fix/remove the broken myql |
| 17:26.39 | n3rV3 | *mysql |
| 17:26.41 | jumpy | when i do so, it jumps to mysql |
| 17:26.44 | n3rV3 | like postfixer said |
| 17:26.46 | jumpy | i am unable to see how |
| 17:27.12 | jumpy | i'd like to get ride of mysql but when it tries to shutdown mysql as seen on the log it breaks |
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| 17:27.42 | postfixer | ps aux | grep mysql, take those PIDs and kill -9 them |
| 17:27.49 | postfixer | then apt-get purge apache2 mysql-server |
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| 17:32.00 | jumpy | it hangs at "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld." |
| 17:32.08 | funnybunny | oh noes... aptitude puged itself all over mysql |
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| 17:32.22 | funnybunny | kill -9 $(pidof mysqld) |
| 17:32.34 | jumpy | i did that |
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| 17:32.48 | funnybunny | ps says [defunct] =? |
| 17:33.17 | jumpy | the issue actually is memory, after i did sudo apt-get purge mysql-server and it hangs and i exit it it says cannot allocate memory -.- |
| 17:33.33 | funnybunny | that sounds fun |
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| 17:33.42 | funnybunny | what is eating all the mem? |
| 17:33.52 | funnybunny | top/atop/htop |
| 17:33.53 | jumpy | Nothing is. |
| 17:33.54 | hub2 | Hi, Is there in Linux something like Domains in Windows , that I can access to my account on all local computers? |
| 17:34.18 | jumpy | Its a 128mb ram vps :/ |
| 17:34.29 | funnybunny | right |
| 17:34.38 | funnybunny | your fault then :) |
| 17:34.47 | RichiH | hub2: not out of the box, but LDAP and $HOME on NFS may be good places to start googling from |
| 17:34.49 | jumpy | its all i can afford :< |
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| 17:35.26 | funnybunny | jumpy: remove mysql from init.d/rc-config, reboot and purge again? |
| 17:35.34 | funnybunny | that way it won't be able to eat mem |
| 17:35.45 | RichiH | jumpy: create a file and loopback mount it as swap? |
| 17:36.02 | RichiH | things will be slow as molasses |
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| 17:36.07 | funnybunny | RichiH++ |
| 17:36.07 | RichiH | but it will work |
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| 17:36.45 | johnfg | I ran lsof -i :5900, but it returns nothing. |
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| 17:37.13 | postfixer | johnfg: are you not trying to allow VNC? |
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| 17:37.45 | johnfg | Is there a way to manually start vnc server? |
| 17:37.48 | RichiH | huh |
| 17:38.00 | funnybunny | *sigh* |
| 17:38.00 | RichiH | lsof can do network sockets? |
| 17:38.26 | postfixer | RichiH: netstat -antlp | grep 5900 |
| 17:38.29 | RichiH | makes a mental note; quicker than netstat if you know the port by heart |
| 17:38.32 | johnfg | postfixer: vnc server ran fine, until probably a week or so ago, and now I can't connect. |
| 17:38.45 | postfixer | firewall? |
| 17:39.00 | postfixer | is it running? |
| 17:39.02 | johnfg | But I can run vncviewer from debian, np. |
| 17:39.20 | postfixer | wait |
| 17:39.20 | johnfg | postfixer: Not a firewall problem. |
| 17:39.20 | postfixer | so you can VNC from some machines, but not others? |
| 17:39.38 | funnybunny | -i [i] This option selects the listing of files any of whose Internet address matches the address specified in i. If no address is specified, this option selects the listing of all Internet and x.25 (HP-UX) network files. |
| 17:39.45 | funnybunny | what on earth is a network file |
| 17:39.48 | johnfg | postfixer: No, I can't vnc from any machine: win7 or gentoo to debian. |
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| 17:39.53 | format_c | n3rV3, sorry was afk |
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| 17:40.10 | postfixer | johnfg: is the debian machine listening on 5900? |
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| 17:40.29 | postfixer | more importantly, listening on a non local address |
| 17:40.38 | johnfg | postfixer: Not sure. as i said, lsof -i :5900 returned nothing. |
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| 17:40.49 | funnybunny | johnfg: netstat -atp | grep 5900 |
| 17:40.55 | jmd | Has anyone had any success logging into Gnome in Wheezy? |
| 17:41.06 | postfixer | jmd: yes |
| 17:41.11 | hub2 | RichiH: Is NIS better than LDAP + NFS ? |
| 17:41.18 | postfixer | jmd: though I use openbox |
| 17:41.19 | johnfg | postfixer: What I was doing was connecting to 10.8.0.1, or I could use my fqdn. |
| 17:41.23 | johnfg | funnybunny: k. |
| 17:41.45 | postfixer | johnfg: ok, just need to make sure netstat doesn't say 127.0.0.1:5900 |
| 17:41.58 | postfixer | because that won't help anything |
| 17:42.27 | johnfg | netstat -atp | grep 5900 returned nothing, either. |
| 17:42.48 | jmd | postfixer, So what should one do after the message "Unfortunately an error was encountered from whcih the system could not recover. Please logout and contact your system administrator". |
| 17:43.01 | jumpy | make a swap file/partition they say. its easy they say. |
| 17:43.03 | jumpy | swapon: /swap: swapon failed: Operation not permitted |
| 17:43.13 | funnybunny | johnfg: then nothing is listening on 5900 |
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| 17:43.32 | funnybunny | johnfg: run the init script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 17:44.42 | newtodebian | A bit of an off topic question, what is preventing linux from running video games? (this is the only reason I use Windows :-p) |
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| 17:45.06 | jmd | newtodebian, Nothing. |
| 17:45.22 | cusco | games developpers need to release the games you're reffering to, for linux |
| 17:45.28 | jmd | I have (occasionally) run video games on GNU/Linux. |
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| 17:45.43 | newtodebian | jmd: I thought linux couldnt run .exe files or read windows based files? |
| 17:45.59 | jmd | newtodebian, Of course not. How is that relevant? |
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| 17:46.30 | jmd | (actually it can to an extent) |
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| 17:47.01 | jmd | .exe files can be run with the help of wine. |
| 17:47.03 | fahi | newtodebian: well, there are even AAA games with steam for linux now |
| 17:47.22 | jmd | AAA? |
| 17:47.22 | funnybunny | computer sez nooh |
| 17:47.35 | newtodebian | ok, what about AAA games like Kingdom of Amalur or upcoming MMO Final Fantasy a Realm Reborn |
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| 17:47.56 | johnfg | I don't seem to have *any* init script with vnc in it. |
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| 17:48.08 | jmd | newtodebian, I have no idea. |
| 17:48.26 | fahi | newtodebian: most of valve's game are available for linux |
| 17:48.53 | funnybunny | quake3 compiles fine on linux too |
| 17:49.12 | jmd | doom is in the repo still ? |
| 17:49.25 | newtodebian | fahi: how about something like saints row the third? |
| 17:49.32 | postfixer | jumpy: do it as root |
| 17:50.08 | postfixer | I've run world of warcraft in linux just fine |
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| 17:50.31 | fahi | newtodebian: I don't know if there are games for every genre; however, the number of native commercial linux games has increased tremendously over the past couple of month |
| 17:50.44 | newtodebian | In a nutshell, I would like to go full blown linux but off of what I have read is that Linux cannot run Windows based games (something to do with the coding) if the game is not built for Linux |
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| 17:51.25 | newtodebian | fahi: And that makes me super happy, I want an OS that dosent chew up all my resources |
| 17:51.47 | postfixer | newtodebian: you often end up emulating a windows layer for windows binaries |
| 17:51.57 | johnfg | In squeeze, what is the init script for vncserver? |
| 17:52.17 | newtodebian | postfixer: does that effect performance? |
| 17:52.33 | postfixer | newtodebian: WINE and it's various frontends are quite common and since wheezy supports multiarch, WINE is now available in stable |
| 17:52.40 | postfixer | newtodebian: of course it does |
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| 17:52.57 | postfixer | newtodebian: there is always a level of overhead with any additional step taken for anything |
| 17:53.14 | postfixer | newtodebian: java software has an overhead because it has to run in a JVM |
| 17:53.24 | postfixer | VMs have overhead because of their emulation layers |
| 17:53.28 | postfixer | WINE is no different in that |
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| 17:54.04 | newtodebian | why not build it into the OS instead of having to run an additional layer? |
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| 17:54.13 | postfixer | the level of overhead you see will vary based on the binary and what libraries it uses and how you configure WINE but still |
| 17:54.19 | newtodebian | or is that the same thing? |
| 17:54.41 | postfixer | newtodebian: why would a linux user build windows compatibility into the OS (even if it was fully possible) |
| 17:55.02 | postfixer | keep in mind, WINE doesn't always work |
| 17:55.27 | newtodebian | Thinking on the lines of gaming, should I stick with Windows or fully migrate over to Linux |
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| 17:55.48 | newtodebian | My biggest concern with WINE is games that have the crappy DRM |
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| 17:56.02 | newtodebian | i.e. Battlefield 3 |
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| 17:58.57 | hglm | If you are a gamer there's no way around having a dual boot system, the game support in Linux is limited for several reasons. |
| 17:59.23 | oye | Any clue why Bygfoot won't let me play in any other league but of Venezuela? When I try to select other leagues, I get nothing but a blank row |
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| 17:59.48 | funnybunny | stop talking about games |
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| 18:00.01 | funnybunny | microsoft holds directX hostage. the discussion ended. |
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| 18:13.13 | joltcan | Evidlo: I think so |
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| 18:14.06 | joltcan | Evidlo: you can also install on one disk and then mount the second disk later |
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| 18:14.24 | aarcane | Odd question, what's the proper way to pronounce Debian? is it like.. Debian, or is it more like.. Debian? |
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| 18:14.45 | joltcan | mallxs: maybe you want to look into -client-cert-not-required/ -username-as-common-name as well (-- on both) |
| 18:14.51 | jmd | Wheezy seems to be a lot less stable than squeeze. |
| 18:14.53 | smw | aarcane, more like Debian than Debian |
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| 18:15.12 | aarcane | thanks, smw. I realized how stupid that was as soon as I hit enter. |
| 18:15.26 | smw | aarcane, :-) |
| 18:15.27 | joltcan | Debian comes from Debra and Ian, so I guess it depends on how you pronounce those |
| 18:16.00 | akhet | awwww |
| 18:16.18 | mallxs | joltcan: i already have on client connect to my office using a static key .. and now i wanne add a other client (clients are all under my support) |
| 18:16.24 | joltcan | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Brief_history |
| 18:16.25 | Evidlo | should my root partition be primary or logical? |
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| 18:17.03 | joltcan | mallxs: as soon as you get multiple clients you really want to use the simple-CA examples |
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| 18:17.22 | joltcan | mallxs: because if something happens and you want to just stop one key, your screwed |
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| 18:20.25 | aarcane | okay, so another odd question.. I know some ubuntu PPAs work with some debian releases.. Which one works with wheezy? |
| 18:20.48 | Evidlo | joltcan: does this partition scheme look OK? http://www.rafb.me/results/aQYTfK34.html |
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| 18:22.29 | Evidlo | or if anyone could confirm my partitions ^^^ |
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| 18:25.12 | K4k | When preseeding libnss-ldap/nsswitch, is it "string 'passwd, shadow'" to answer or is it done some other way? |
| 18:25.18 | joltcan | Evidlo: looks fine |
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| 18:28.53 | bfrog | any official debian 7 ami's out yet? |
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| 18:30.01 | babilen | bfrog: ami? |
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| 18:30.45 | jelly-home | !ami |
| 18:30.46 | dpkg | ami is probably American Megatrends Incorporated (producer of AMIBIOS) or Amazon Machine Image, ask me about <ec2>. |
| 18:30.53 | jelly-home | the latter I guess |
| 18:31.33 | babilen | bian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Wheezy |
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| 18:31.45 | babilen | http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Wheezy :) |
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| 18:38.30 | Evidlo | what partition will /var and /etc be in? root or home? |
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| 18:39.02 | johnfg_ | my problem may be that I've switched from gnome to lxde on squeeze. I'd had some problems with gnome, but how would I go about reinstalling gnome on squeeze? |
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| 18:41.23 | gnusosa | Can anybody explain me why are people saying that Debian is a metadistro? why would Debian be considered a metadistro? |
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| 18:42.04 | Evidlo | huzzah my installation continues |
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| 18:43.51 | jmd | I want to disable the caps lock key. xmodmap -e 'clear lock' used to work in squeeze. How do I do it in Wheezy? |
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| 18:50.41 | Evidlo | do you guys recommend any backup utilities for a headless server |
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| 18:51.21 | dondelelcaro | Evidlo: I'm currently a fan of obnam, but... |
| 18:51.30 | jmd | Evidlo, tar |
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| 18:51.36 | ompaul | Evidlo: rsnapshot or rsync depending on your requirements |
| 18:51.36 | patter | I use rsnapshot, its got the usefulness of keeping the backed-up data as a regular directory structure |
| 18:51.45 | ompaul | tars and feathers jmd |
| 18:52.02 | jmd | feathers? |
| 18:52.04 | ompaul | cd /home ; tar feather.tar jmd |
| 18:52.45 | johnfg_ | So, what's the best way to reinstall (not sure what I still have left) the gnome2 desktop? |
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| 18:53.02 | johnfg_ | preferably from the cli. |
| 18:53.08 | cusco | johnfg_: tried gnome fallback / gnome classic yet? |
| 18:53.31 | johnfg | cusco: no, how do I do that? |
| 18:53.45 | cusco | well me, in gdm I see a option |
| 18:53.49 | ompaul | Evidlo: to be honest you picked the classic bike shed question ;-) |
| 18:53.51 | cusco | to choose gnome classic |
| 18:53.51 | Evidlo | dondelelcaro: so i can backup any device on my network to a central server |
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| 18:54.31 | {her|bert} | cusco: i think johnfg is on squeeze |
| 18:54.32 | johnfg | cusco: btw...you may not have seen earlier, but this is on squeeze, and no, from the gdm, gnome isn't currently available. |
| 18:54.44 | cusco | ow |
| 18:54.48 | dondelelcaro | Evidlo: yes, pretty much any backup program is able to do that |
| 18:54.52 | cusco | sorry |
| 18:54.56 | mrbean | I upgraded today to wheezy from squeeze, I have problems with apache, php, dovecot. Any notes about that, or this happened only to me? |
| 18:55.09 | johnfg | I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to reinstall, so how to do that is all i'm asking. And cusco, no need to be sorry :-) |
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| 18:55.17 | cusco | johnfg: I would: apt-get install gnome-session (or was it gnome-core in squeeze?) |
| 18:56.22 | Evidlo | are there any backup utilities that have a gui for the clients? |
| 18:56.53 | cusco | I heard there is grsync |
| 18:57.02 | johnfg | cusco: looks like gnome-session. |
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| 18:57.16 | cusco | that is what I always installed... |
| 18:57.18 | jhutchins_wk | !wheezy errata |
| 18:57.18 | dpkg | Last minute notes regarding Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/errata . Known problems in the installer are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/#errata |
| 18:57.33 | jhutchins_wk | mrbean: See above. |
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| 18:57.35 | cusco | th minimal gnome stuff .. |
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| 18:59.48 | Evidlo | anybody tried afbackup? it has a client gui |
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| 19:03.35 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: What good is a GUI on the client? |
| 19:03.41 | johnfg | cusco: I remember now, before gnome wigged out on me, I got a new printer, that needed a newer hplip, which needed a newer python, etc. |
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| 19:04.32 | Evidlo | jhutchins_wk: for a laptop or desktop, i could choose the directories to be backed up |
| 19:04.32 | johnfg | Now, if I were to reinstall gnome-session, it wants to remove hplip, hplip-gui, and python-gobject-2. |
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| 19:04.58 | cusco | don't know what a hplip is |
| 19:05.12 | cusco | sorry I don't know how to answer you johnfg |
| 19:05.21 | johnfg | What was available for printer drivers at the time in gnome2, or with the printer config, did not include my new printer. |
| 19:05.33 | jhutchins_wk | cusco: It's a layer for hp printers that don't take direct printing. |
| 19:05.38 | johnfg | cusco: np, thanks for being willing to help. |
| 19:06.22 | johnfg | What vnc server is available as, I guess you'd call it an app, for lxde? |
| 19:07.10 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: vnc servers are desktop independent. |
| 19:07.29 | jhutchins_wk | openvnc, realvnc, tightvnc, rdp |
| 19:07.52 | jhutchins_wk | THere that other protocol, nox? |
| 19:07.58 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: I wonder why it worked when I was running gde, but not now while running lxde? |
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| 19:09.25 | mrbean | After using apt-get to do a dist-upgrade, can I go back to aptitude with no problems? |
| 19:09.26 | Evidlo | dondelelcaro: does obnam run as a server as well? or is it just an sftp client that copies data to a server |
| 19:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
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| 19:10.22 | dondelelcaro | Evidlo: it's just a client that copies data to a server over sshfs. |
| 19:10.37 | zykotick9 | mrbean: i certainly do. though i use aptitude 90+% of the time. i don't think mixing is bad these anymore. |
| 19:11.15 | Evidlo | dondelelcaro: can it detect for file change/new files and just copy those? |
| 19:11.58 | mrbean | The upgrade notes dictates apt-get, I'll go back to aptitude when everything is ok. |
| 19:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, except if you put packages on hold... I think that's still ... thingummy |
| 19:12.29 | zykotick9 | CutMeOwnThroat: ya, i could believe "some" features may not like it. |
| 19:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrbean, they do so for good reason, too :) |
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| 19:13.07 | dondelelcaro | Evidlo: yes. the documentation for it explains all of that |
| 19:13.20 | dondelelcaro | it's also capable of avoiding duplicating data which is on multiple hosts |
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| 19:15.10 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Probably for some other reason. |
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| 19:17.02 | Evidlo | dondelelcaro: im looking at the help page, doesnt obnam need authentication? |
| 19:17.15 | nell | yumm |
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| 19:17.20 | nell | oops wrong channel |
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| 19:18.30 | Miesco | Is it possible to find out my current xterm's Xresources? |
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| 19:19.30 | Evidlo | is it normal that ifconfig is not installed on my new debian installation? |
| 19:20.08 | cusco | /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 19:20.40 | Evidlo | actually its located in sbin, cant normal users access it? |
| 19:20.47 | zykotick9 | Evidlo: fyi, if you use "su -" you'll find ifconfig in the path |
| 19:21.03 | zykotick9 | Evidlo: users can use "/sbin/ifconfig" |
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| 19:21.21 | Evidlo | i guess i need to add sbin to my path |
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| 19:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Miesco, xrdb -query? |
| 19:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | -all |
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| 19:23.27 | dondelelcaro | Evidlo: any remote backup system you use is going to require authentication |
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| 19:23.59 | Evidlo | dondelelcaro: if i want to backup in a cron script, how would you recommend i do authentication? |
| 19:24.08 | Evidlo | because ill have to store my password somewhere |
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| 19:24.19 | pan_ | what directory is considered good practice for installing .tar files to. |
| 19:24.20 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: No, that's not the right way to do that. |
| 19:24.21 | cusco | ssh with key |
| 19:24.47 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: Changing your path I mean. |
| 19:25.00 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: For authentication you use pre-shared keys. |
| 19:25.02 | dondelelcaro | Evidlo: no, you don't have to store your password anywhere. You use ssh keys. |
| 19:25.23 | Evidlo | never used them before |
| 19:25.35 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 19:26.23 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: Things are the way they are in Linux for good reasons. If you don't know why something is how it is, don't override it, find out why. |
| 19:26.36 | Lartza | Can I somehow SSH to an user without a password? |
| 19:26.43 | Lartza | Or specify which ones are allowed... |
| 19:26.55 | Evidlo | are you talking about adding sbin to my path? jhutchins_wk |
| 19:27.09 | jhutchins_wk | Lartza: http://www.charlestonsw.com/log-in-to-linux-using-ssh-keys/ |
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| 19:27.26 | jhutchins_wk | Evidlo: Among other things, yes. |
| 19:27.32 | Lartza | jhutchins_wk, No keys, passwordless login but with only specified acounts |
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| 19:28.15 | jhutchins_wk | Lartza: Actually, that's not the greatest guide. |
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| 19:28.39 | Lartza | ? |
| 19:29.34 | Lartza | "AllowUsers" should do it |
| 19:29.57 | jhutchins_wk | Lartza: I thought you were asking how to use keys. |
| 19:30.13 | Lartza | jhutchins_wk, No I want to permit empty password login :) But make that secure |
| 19:30.53 | zykotick9 | Lartza: ssh keys, can be used without password, and still relatively securely |
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| 19:31.15 | Lartza | zykotick9, Yeah but anonymous/random people can't login then |
| 19:31.19 | Haylilfut | helo frinz |
| 19:31.24 | Haylilfut | ummm |
| 19:31.32 | Haylilfut | so im trying debian7 |
| 19:31.40 | zykotick9 | Lartza: no, but that sort of setup will never be secure. |
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| 19:31.56 | Haylilfut | i installed mate |
| 19:32.10 | Haylilfut | and installed macbuntu skin |
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| 19:32.24 | Haylilfut | and that placed my buttons on the left |
| 19:32.26 | Haylilfut | like a mac |
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| 19:32.40 | Haylilfut | and i cant change them to the right |
| 19:33.08 | Haylilfut | i tried grepping and changing button-layout but its not working |
| 19:33.12 | Lartza | zykotick9, I am using this to allow login to a user without proper shell, possibly trying to setup dgamelaunch or such |
| 19:33.20 | Haylilfut | i also uninstalled macbuntu already |
| 19:33.46 | Haylilfut | if i switch the windows manager from compiz then they go to the right |
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| 19:35.43 | Lartza | aaand I just locked myself out of SSH... |
| 19:35.44 | Lartza | :D |
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| 19:36.05 | patter | oh dear |
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| 19:37.06 | Lartza | ahh! |
| 19:37.10 | Lartza | luckily there's FTP |
| 19:37.12 | Lartza | :) |
| 19:37.28 | Lartza | I need to overwrite my sshd config and reboot the server from VPS control panel |
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| 19:37.37 | pan_ | what directory is considered good practice for installing .tar files to. |
| 19:37.37 | Lartza | oh hang on... |
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| 19:37.44 | Lartza | vsfpd doesn't allow root login... |
| 19:38.20 | owa | Lartza what vps technology? |
| 19:38.24 | brontosaurusrex | pan_, "In computing, tar (derived from tape archive) is both a file format (in the form of a type of archive bitstream) and the name of a program used to handle such files." |
| 19:38.28 | owa | openvz usually has rescue console in control panel |
| 19:38.30 | Lartza | owa, OpenVZ |
| 19:38.35 | zykotick9 | Lartza: "luckily there's FTP" ahhh, see "/msg dpkg ftpmustdie" for details on why that is inaccurate... |
| 19:38.36 | Lartza | owa, It won't let me in |
| 19:38.41 | Lartza | SolusVM |
| 19:38.45 | Lartza | serial console |
| 19:39.05 | owa | in that case you can still ask the support of your vps |
| 19:39.21 | owa | they should be able to get into your vps via root on the hostnode |
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| 19:39.28 | owa | and change the sshd_config |
| 19:39.45 | Lartza | mhh |
| 19:39.47 | Lartza | honestly |
| 19:39.59 | Lartza | I think I have a semi-working wheezy upgrade there... |
| 19:40.05 | Lartza | So I could just do a reinstall... |
| 19:40.09 | Lartza | Or mhh |
| 19:40.22 | Lartza | I have backups :) |
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| 19:42.33 | Lartza | owa, Ahh I was stupid and didn't know how the serial console worked :P |
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| 19:44.05 | ariqs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.07 | ariqs | probably because, while installing, when the package manager wanted to scan the other cds, it wouldn't let me open my dvd drive and gave me a red screen with errors. I tried it twice, same thing. the stupid software actually locks my dvd drive... |
| 19:44.12 | ariqs | so I thought I'd do the graphical install instead. first of all, when grub is loading when booting off the cd, I get an error: "prefix is not set". However, the installer loads anyway. when I select graphical install I get "error: couldn't read file" press any key. I press any key and I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unnknown-block(0,0). What do? |
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| 19:46.42 | JohnnyL | is nvidia impossible to get working in kernel 3.9? i find it so. |
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| 19:52.07 | Lartza | "permitemptypasswords yes" doesn't seem to work? |
| 19:52.16 | Lartza | access denied for a user without password |
| 19:52.20 | WillPittenger | Unfortunately, the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy gave me the latest Gnome desktop junk. Is there a good way to switch back? I don't see Synaptic in the menus. :p |
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| 19:52.55 | postfixer | WillPittenger: pick a different window manager, gnome2 was removed |
| 19:52.58 | postfixer | sorry |
| 19:53.00 | truexfan81 | anyone here know anything about compiling libquvi? http://paste.debian.net/4629/ |
| 19:53.06 | truexfan81 | this is on debian wheezy |
| 19:53.45 | WillPittenger | postfixer: Then I may drop Debian in favor of Mint. They have a couple of Gnome forks to choose from. |
| 19:54.07 | JohnnyL | guess so |
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| 19:56.24 | bfrog | is there something akin to ppa or aur for debian |
| 19:56.37 | bfrog | like a way to get up to date packages for certain things |
| 19:56.45 | bfrog | I know about backports, but that tends to still be pretty far behind |
| 19:56.52 | yeats | bfrog: individual programs sometimes host apt repos |
| 19:57.00 | yeats | but no, not really |
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| 19:57.12 | bfrog | yeah, like noticed even debian 7 still has redis 2.4 |
| 19:57.26 | bfrog | erlang r15 instead of r16 |
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| 19:57.30 | bfrog | just a lot of stuff like that kind of kills me |
| 19:58.22 | zykotick9 | bfrog: debian isn't ideal for those suffering from SNS ("/msg dpkg sns" for details) ;) |
| 19:58.57 | yeats | zykotick9: ha! hadn't seen that |
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| 19:59.57 | madsara | Hey, I'm having issues with pppd installing a default route on a pppoe link... I've set -defaultroute in options, but still no dice. Any thoughts? |
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| 20:00.02 | jmd | How do I disable my caps lock key on wheezy? |
| 20:00.14 | madsara | It's a toggle. |
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| 20:01.47 | madsara | I'm trying _not_ to install a default route btw. |
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| 20:08.38 | madsara | Ok, fixed my issue by re-running pppoeconf and waxing the default there. I WORK! |
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| 20:19.29 | ChrisW1 | Got "Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition. This is a BAD idea" when upgrading my server to wheezy, what does this mean and how do I fix it? |
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| 20:26.26 | postfixer | ChrisW1: I've never even heard of that error |
| 20:26.32 | postfixer | how did you upgrade to wheezy? |
| 20:26.40 | ChrisW1 | as per the docs |
| 20:27.13 | ompaul | ChrisW1: did you get offered more than one place to put your grub install |
| 20:27.40 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: nope |
| 20:28.14 | ompaul | ChrisW1: in the worst case you have to reinstall grub to the root of the disk |
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| 20:28.43 | ompaul | ChrisW1: I deal with debian on debian machines - I don't mix in windows |
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| 20:29.02 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: this is a hosted machine in a data centre, it's only got debian on it |
| 20:29.09 | ChrisW1 | only ever had debian on it |
| 20:29.23 | ompaul | ChrisW1: ahh they might not let you run the wheezy kernel |
| 20:29.25 | ompaul | :-/ |
| 20:29.30 | ChrisW1 | eh? |
| 20:29.39 | ChrisW1 | I don't think they really care |
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| 20:29.43 | ChrisW1 | why wouldn't they? |
| 20:29.50 | ompaul | ChrisW1: hosted boxes some times |
| 20:29.54 | ChrisW1 | and what is that message actually trying to tell me? |
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| 20:30.12 | ompaul | sda1 or sda for the disk |
| 20:30.22 | ChrisW1 | ? |
| 20:30.25 | ompaul | acutally sda1 is what is is saying afics |
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| 20:32.23 | ChrisW1 | sorry, don't really follow? |
| 20:32.36 | JohnnyL | can anyone see me? |
| 20:32.56 | ChrisW1 | yes JohnnyL |
| 20:33.01 | JohnnyL | okay |
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| 20:33.53 | ompaul | ChrisW1: on a box grub needs to be installed somewhere, it likes to be on sda less than it likes to be on sda1 |
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| 20:37.00 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: okay, so what's the problem with it being on sda? |
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| 20:37.54 | ompaul | ChrisW1: it's reporting it;s not there |
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| 20:40.48 | ChrisW1 | hang on, you said grub prefers sda1 to sda, so why would it complain it's not on sda? |
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| 20:41.06 | ompaul | no |
| 20:41.11 | ompaul | I said |
| 20:41.23 | ompaul | the wrong thing |
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| 20:41.32 | ChrisW1 | ;-) |
| 20:41.32 | ompaul | It prefers sda to sda1 |
| 20:41.45 | ompaul | less got in too late :) |
| 20:41.48 | ChrisW1 | okay, so it's whining that it's on sda1... why doesn't it like sda1? |
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| 20:42.11 | ompaul | it is afraid something on sda will ignore it |
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| 20:43.02 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: how can I find out what partitions are on my disk? (bear in mind I only have ssh access...) |
| 20:43.10 | ChrisW1 | root is /dev/sda2... |
| 20:43.16 | ompaul | ChrisW1: you take what your isp gives you |
| 20:43.20 | apes | Is using /dev/urandom as your source for rng-tools valid? It seems suspect to me. |
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| 20:43.28 | ChrisW1 | and man, a 73G disk, how cute :-) |
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| 20:44.16 | zykotick9 | ChrisW1: "parted -l" = new school. "fdisk -l" = old school. or perhaps "blkid" |
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| 20:47.02 | Evidlo | i just installed debian, and vi is behaving very oddly. for example, backspace moves the cursor but does not delete the character. the arrow keys create characters |
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| 20:47.22 | zykotick9 | Evidlo: install vim. you are currently using vim-tiny. |
| 20:47.29 | Evidlo | ah |
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| 20:50.10 | ChrisW1 | zykotick9: thanks, so, dunno what sda1 is on there... |
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| 20:50.16 | ChrisW1 | how can I find out where grub is installed? |
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| 20:51.29 | el_guillermo | 0/t |
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| 20:51.45 | zykotick9 | ChrisW1: just a side note, i've never had any luck using a ?partition boot records (sda2 for example), and ONLY had success with MBR sda. good luck. |
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| 20:51.53 | bravvve22 | hello,i can't run some debian usb access point,i v tried many topics but no one helps me |
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| 20:52.32 | hyppias | aptitude keeps asking for a DVD. I want it to search the net for packages. how? |
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| 20:52.48 | dondelelcaro | hyppias: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the DVD. |
| 20:52.49 | ChrisW1 | zykotick9: well, this machine hasn't changed, and it's been up for a few years now |
| 20:52.49 | mayhew | hyppias: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:52.50 | zykotick9 | hyppias: remove the dvd entry from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:52.57 | ChrisW1 | rebooting every time a kernel patch comes along |
| 20:53.01 | hyppias | ok |
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| 20:53.09 | Evidlo | "sudo service networking restart" doesnt restart my eth0 device |
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| 20:53.19 | ChrisW1 | is this something that will always have been dodgy, or is this something that has become dodgy as a result of the wheezy upgrade? |
| 20:53.27 | ompaul | hyppias: you might consider reading the content of /etc/apt/sources.list and putting a # in front of the disk |
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| 20:54.49 | Evidlo | yea, for some reason restarting networking brings down my eth0 interface, anyone know why? |
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| 20:55.02 | ompaul | ChrisW1: /boot/grub# cat device.map |
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| 20:56.26 | zykotick9 | ompaul: /boot/grub/device.map just lists all my HDs, but doesn't seem to show where grub is actually installed to? |
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| 20:58.06 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: gives (hd0) /dev/sda |
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| 20:59.01 | ompaul | ChrisW1: that should be nice |
| 20:59.01 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: isn't that where you said it wanted to be? |
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| 20:59.08 | ompaul | it does want to be there |
| 20:59.10 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: okay, so why did it whine? |
| 20:59.16 | ompaul | so why the report no idea |
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| 20:59.28 | ChrisW1 | so, should be safe to reboot, right? |
| 20:59.35 | bravvve22 | any idea |
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| 20:59.37 | ompaul | it should be |
| 20:59.49 | ompaul | ChrisW1:you have it backed up I'd wager |
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| 20:59.58 | ompaul | you've seen us mention backups often enough |
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| 21:00.59 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: yep, nightly backups to jungledisk of everything I care about :-) |
| 21:01.10 | ChrisW1 | different continent ;-) |
| 21:01.27 | bravvve22 | any one have experien with wireless usb |
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| 21:02.05 | histo | bravvve22: yes |
| 21:02.12 | jhutchins_wk | bravvve22: Do you mean wifi networking with usb adapters? |
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| 21:02.36 | bravvve22 | jhutchins_wk:yes |
| 21:02.50 | jhutchins_wk | What chipset (lsusb -nn)? |
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| 21:04.10 | bravvve22 | jhutchins_wk:ID 2001:3c1d D-Link Corp |
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| 21:06.37 | likevinyl | is away: Mythbuster power ON. Today: A pathological liar, How to survive the Chinese mafia. |
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| 21:09.02 | ChrisW1 | oh well, the wheezy upgrade has solved my email inbox overflowing problem; dovecot doesn't work anymore, so no more too-much-email problem :-| |
| 21:09.32 | ompaul | ChrisW1: check logs for last night - there was a dovecot thing there |
| 21:09.45 | ompaul | is almost certain |
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| 21:10.21 | bravvve22 | histo:any idea |
| 21:11.02 | mumpitzel | bravvve22: rt2800usb |
| 21:11.19 | mumpitzel | !rt2800usb |
| 21:11.20 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 21:11.43 | ChrisW1 | ompaul: I fixed the config, dovecot says it's starting up fine, Thunderbird doesn't seem to want to talk to it though |
| 21:11.56 | ChrisW1 | where would I find the logs for last night? |
| 21:12.08 | mumpitzel | ChrisW1: telnet <your imap> 143 |
| 21:12.24 | mumpitzel | then: a10 login <user> <pass> |
| 21:12.29 | mumpitzel | a20 quit |
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| 21:17.22 | ChrisW1 | mumpitzel: connection closes after the a10 line... |
| 21:17.39 | ChrisW1 | where does dovecot log nowadays? |
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| 21:18.32 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: Are you using thunderbird or icedove? |
| 21:18.54 | ChrisW1 | jhutchins_wk: thunderbird on windows and mac clients machines |
| 21:19.03 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. /var/log/mail |
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| 21:19.26 | jhutchins_wk | Thunderbird can be really stupid about connecting. |
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| 21:21.43 | ChrisW1 | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but see my comments about the telnet test |
| 21:21.57 | ChrisW1 | mmm, no /var/log/mail and nothing in /var/log/mail.log since the upgrade |
| 21:22.19 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: Ah yes, mail.log (too many different distros). |
| 21:22.39 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: So dovecot isn't aware of anything trying to connect. |
| 21:23.05 | ChrisW1 | the port's answering, so it should be ;-) |
| 21:23.18 | ChrisW1 | how do I crank up the logging verbosity? |
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| 21:23.43 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: If you logged in via telnet it should show there, otherwise grep dovecot /var/log/* and see where it's logging. |
| 21:25.08 | milligan | I have pulseaudio installed, but I am suspecting that I have disabled it. I cannot for the love of God figure out where I might have disabled it though. Any ideas? |
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| 21:26.04 | ChrisW1 | ah, with explicit log config, I see stuff :-) |
| 21:26.15 | jhutchins_wk | you can turn on auth_verbose for more logging, but that's from an older version, check your dovecot.conf - it's internally documented. |
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| 21:26.37 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: Was logging off by default? |
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| 21:27.43 | ChrisW1 | jhutchins_wk: fecked if I know ;-) |
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| 21:29.18 | hyppias | how do I mount an usb cdrom? |
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| 21:29.39 | mekeor | hyppias: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb, for example |
| 21:29.55 | mekeor | hyppias: or what do you mean by usb cdrom? O.o |
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| 21:30.03 | zykotick9 | hyppias: try /dev/sr0 that's what my usb cdrom shows up as |
| 21:30.09 | hyppias | an cdrom drive on a USB port |
| 21:30.37 | ChrisW1 | mmmkay, now I get Error: passwd-file /mail/passwd: open(/mail/passwd) failed: Permission denied (euid=101(dovecot) egid=103(dovecot) missing +r perm: /mail/passwd, we're not in group 5000(vmail), dir owned by 5000:5000 mode=0755) |
| 21:30.39 | hyppias | only sda here |
| 21:30.51 | hyppias | sda1 sda2 sda5 |
| 21:31.00 | likevinyl | is back (gone 00:24:22) |
| 21:31.03 | EmleyMoor | hyppias: That's your hard disk |
| 21:31.03 | ChrisW1 | guess I need to add dovecot into the vmail group? |
| 21:31.15 | hyppias | sg0 ? |
| 21:31.22 | zykotick9 | hyppias: i'm guessing your cdrom isn't be detected correctly then... good luck. |
| 21:31.22 | EmleyMoor | hyppias: Plug the CD drive in and do dmesg... |
| 21:31.45 | EmleyMoor | sg0 is a "generic" device - that's for writing to, usually |
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| 21:33.26 | hyppias | dmesg says sr0.... but that is not in /dev |
| 21:33.33 | EmleyMoor | I'd try mine out for some clues but I'm not sure where it is at the moment... |
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| 21:35.25 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: Mine is still on lenny, but dovecot is dovecot:mail |
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| 21:35.35 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: Or rather dovecot mail |
| 21:36.00 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... mine appears in /dev (sr2 on this box) |
| 21:36.26 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: It should be using passdb pam. |
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| 21:39.23 | ChrisW1 | jhutchins_wk: why? I've always used a separate passwd file just for mail accounts |
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| 21:39.33 | ChrisW1 | not a one to one mapping with user acounts (by any means!) |
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| 21:40.47 | jordilopezamat | I upgraded kernel from 2.6 to 3.2.0-0.bpo ... in squeeze. ¿is it a problem when upgrading to Wheezy ? |
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| 21:41.20 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: http://paste.debian.net/4655/ |
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| 21:41.42 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: Oh, well, in that case that's not the same mech, nevermind. |
| 21:42.04 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: Doesn't there have to be some overlap between the MTA and dovecot? |
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| 21:44.06 | ChrisW1 | jhutchins_wk: nope |
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| 21:44.38 | ChrisW1 | that log message is crazy, sudo -u dovecot cat /mail/passwd works fine |
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| 21:44.46 | ChrisW1 | so what is that permission error all about?! |
| 21:46.39 | jordilopezamat | Sorry, I mean... ¿should i downgrade my squeeze kernel to the original one before upgrading to Wheezy ? :-/ |
| 21:47.07 | jordilopezamat | any hint is appreciated ! |
| 21:47.33 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisW1: maybe it's not pointing at the right file? File has valid data? |
| 21:47.57 | jhutchins_wk | jordilopezamat: The upgrade should handle backports ok. |
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| 21:48.55 | MrPopinjay | So, Steam on Debian 7. Does anyone know a good guide that doesn't recommend dumb stuff like added Ubuntu repos? |
| 21:49.25 | nmschulte | MrPopinjay: Add debian/experimental/non-free repos to apt? |
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| 21:50.02 | jordilopezamat | cool jhutchins_wk , let's party then... fingers crossed! |
| 21:50.07 | MrPopinjay | It's sid a bit scary atm? :/ |
| 21:50.08 | jhutchins_wk | nmschulte: No, BAD! |
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| 21:50.34 | MrPopinjay | adding* |
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| 21:50.59 | Jeudi | How can I determine the connection my server laptop's HDD uses? Crazily the manual doesn't specify! Using the CLI. |
| 21:51.07 | jhutchins_wk | Ah well, clean builds are fun and educational. |
| 21:51.36 | jhutchins_wk | Jeudi: lshw gives useful info, or you can dig through dmesg. |
| 21:51.37 | xand | Jeudi: on what OS? |
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| 21:51.41 | xand | err |
| 21:51.42 | xand | sorry |
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| 21:51.47 | Jeudi | xand: derp |
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| 21:52.04 | Jeudi | :P |
| 21:52.08 | mekeor | MrPopinjay: i am running sid... it's fine :) |
| 21:52.33 | xand | Jeudi: how old is your laptop? |
| 21:52.40 | MrPopinjay | I'm not a brave or smart enough man for SID |
| 21:52.51 | xand | Jeudi: but use lshw to see |
| 21:53.10 | xand | if it's less than about 6 years old or more, almost certainly SATA |
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| 21:53.25 | Jeudi | 2008 I think. Hang on… |
| 21:54.51 | Jeudi | Can I tell from the assigned dev? is sda SATA? |
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| 21:56.06 | moof2 | maybe you can tell from dmesg... this is a laptop? mine had esata socket, maybe yours does? |
| 21:56.08 | xand | it might be |
| 21:56.13 | jhutchins_wk | Jeudi: No, all HDs appear as scsi now. |
| 21:56.22 | xand | it is most likely SATA if it's from 2008 |
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| 21:57.01 | ChrisW1 | jhutchins_wk: if I chmod o+r the file. everything works |
| 21:57.10 | EmleyMoor | PATA used to appear as hd - not sure if they still do... and virtual appear as vd... |
| 21:57.14 | ChrisW1 | wtf? |
| 21:57.38 | EmleyMoor | Mostly, anything else appears to be SCSI - SATA included |
| 21:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | No, PATA appears as sd now, the ATA drivers virtualized it as scsi. |
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| 22:00.15 | Jeudi | Does the way lshw nests the results have any bearing? |
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| 22:03.27 | xand | Jeudi: yes I think so, but if nothing else it should show the harddisk model |
| 22:03.44 | compy_ | histo, hey you there? |
| 22:03.58 | compy_ | my testdisk finished and i dont know how to proceed |
| 22:04.04 | Jeudi | Yes, I found that. Here's hoping they don't use the same model number for the SATA and IDE versions of the drive. It shows up as SATA. |
| 22:04.13 | mekeor | do i manually have to start the debian-installation-image if i copied it on a usb drive using dd? |
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| 22:05.15 | Jeudi | xand: I found the receipt. it's SATA. Thanks for the help. :) |
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| 22:07.25 | jaggz|2 | any of you use bacula? |
| 22:07.31 | jaggz|2 | it seems really complicated to set up |
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| 22:08.47 | psiklops | Hi. I have a SD-Card with an USB-Adapter. And would like to « dd » a netinstall image to it. Will i be able to bout from the USB-Adapter. |
| 22:08.48 | psiklops | ? |
| 22:09.02 | cusco | I guess |
| 22:09.04 | psiklops | USB-Adapter= Image ? |
| 22:09.17 | cusco | however |
| 22:09.17 | EmleyMoor | psiklops: If your motherboard can boot USB sticks, it should work |
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| 22:09.22 | cusco | have you tried netbootin ? |
| 22:09.24 | cusco | ubetnootin |
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| 22:09.29 | cusco | its a easy alternative |
| 22:09.41 | darkapp | does anyone here know about testdisk? |
| 22:09.43 | cusco | dd will overwrite a bad partition table |
| 22:09.44 | EmleyMoor | The adapter with a card in is equivalent to a typical pendrive |
| 22:09.50 | cusco | darkapp: what about it |
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| 22:10.06 | psiklops | cusco, its an IGEL ThinClient |
| 22:10.14 | darkapp | basically, i seem to have corrupted a partition, and need to recover it |
| 22:10.26 | cusco | so .. have you tried testdisk? |
| 22:10.28 | darkapp | i ran a quickscan and it says its recoverable |
| 22:10.29 | psiklops | without CDROM .... |
| 22:10.48 | darkapp | now im on step 2 but no idea how to make it work |
| 22:11.03 | darkapp | pressing enter wont work |
| 22:11.11 | psiklops | Good night |
| 22:11.12 | darkapp | nor does tab move the highlighted line |
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| 22:12.04 | darkapp | do u know wat i ned to do? i really need the partition |
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| 22:12.52 | darkapp | i was here last night, and histo was helping, unfortunately i fell asleep before the scan finished |
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| 22:13.35 | darkapp | cusco, do you have any idea what to do? |
| 22:14.03 | mekeor | why does the disk have to be unmounted when i copy an iso on it using dd? |
| 22:14.19 | cusco | darkapp: what part are you strugling with? |
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| 22:14.24 | cusco | have you read the docs? |
| 22:14.32 | cusco | basically you write the old partition geometry back in |
| 22:14.35 | darkapp | no |
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| 22:14.40 | cusco | well you should |
| 22:14.45 | darkapp | i was being walked through it |
| 22:14.50 | cusco | I haven't used it in a while, can't remember the steps |
| 22:14.53 | darkapp | where are the docs? |
| 22:14.59 | cusco | at testdisk website |
| 22:15.27 | billions | does anybody have experience with wheezy 64 bit + ATI gpu + proprietary drivers? |
| 22:15.40 | darkapp | ok, ill try thanx for the suggestion |
| 22:16.13 | darkapp | histo, hl me when you get on please |
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| 22:28.24 | jimcooncat | My mouse and keyboard are working very strangely after this last squeeze kernel update. Some clicks and keypresses register with the gui, some don't. |
| 22:28.38 | jimcooncat | What should I do? |
| 22:28.53 | jimcooncat | using xfce by the way |
| 22:29.58 | mekeor | (, a noob,) hasn't got any idea :O |
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| 22:33.22 | nmschulte | jimcooncat: check logs; particularly X/display related? |
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| 22:41.07 | Evidlo | im following a tutorial to install pulseaudio, but i keep getting that pulseaudio-module-hal cant be found |
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| 22:42.25 | sssilver | Hello gentlemen. Why do people prefer Ubuntu over Debian? |
| 22:42.46 | cusco | dunno |
| 22:42.49 | cusco | ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:42.49 | sssilver | Aren't they essentially the same thing? |
| 22:42.55 | cusco | no they are not |
| 22:43.12 | sssilver | then I don't get the difference |
| 22:43.27 | nmschulte | clearly |
| 22:44.10 | nmschulte | stachexchange has a good article |
| 22:44.20 | cusco | !ubuntu |
| 22:44.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 22:44.33 | cusco | !based on debian |
| 22:44.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 22:47.50 | jordilopezamat | Does anybody knows how many time does it take to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy on a +/- 4 Mbps internet connection ? |
| 22:48.55 | nmschulte | jordilopezamat: that depends on how many packages you have installed. |
| 22:49.00 | Evidlo | i need some help getting sound out of my debian box, pulseaudio or alsa, i dont care |
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| 22:50.27 | ChrisW1 | Hmm, is "sysctl -w kernel.shmmax=40906112" lost after reboot? |
| 22:50.36 | jordilopezamat | i see your point... nmschulte, let's re-formulate the question. |
| 22:50.43 | ChrisW1 | if so, how do I get it to stick permanently? |
| 22:51.20 | jordilopezamat | ¿does upgrade process support eventual laptop suspend mode ? |
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| 22:52.50 | jordilopezamat | In one hand, common sense is telling me even not to try with just 30min left of battery ... |
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| 22:53.42 | nmschulte | jordilopezamat: I'm not sure. google suggests suspending the process before you lose connectivity/power, and then resuming. |
| 22:55.29 | jordilopezamat | mmh... this is challenging... i think Wheezy advent can be postponed a few hours. Thanks nmschulte |
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| 22:57.11 | Evidlo | im new to debian, and ive been trying to get sound working for the past few hours |
| 22:57.14 | Evidlo | any help? |
| 22:57.54 | killing-joke | i just installed kfreebsd-amd64 in a vm. the sshd is running with " -R " as a default. |
| 22:58.18 | killing-joke | but dash-R is not documented in sshd(8). what does it do? |
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| 23:03.19 | initself | i added a startup script to /etc/init.d |
| 23:03.24 | initself | it doesn't start automatically on boot |
| 23:03.26 | initself | what's the secret? |
| 23:03.29 | init | wut |
| 23:03.30 | init | oh |
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| 23:03.42 | initself | init: hi! |
| 23:03.47 | initself | init: fancy meeting you here! |
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| 23:04.18 | init | initself: update-rc.d is the secret, i think |
| 23:04.40 | moof2 | initself, plus you may need to add the comment lines and customize them |
| 23:04.49 | initself | geeze |
| 23:04.56 | moof2 | ducks |
| 23:04.58 | initself | not like the old days of chmod 775 |
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| 23:05.52 | caf | there a /etc/init.d/skeleton for basing new init.d scripts off |
| 23:06.11 | moof2 | and a README in there too |
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| 23:07.26 | initself | update-rc.d starman defaults |
| 23:07.35 | initself | insserv: warning: script 'starman' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 23:07.45 | initself | wonder if that warnings is terrible |
| 23:07.51 | moof2 | take a look at that skeleton |
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| 23:08.07 | moof2 | you'll see some commented lines (you running wheezy? or?) |
| 23:08.08 | initself | oh wow, missing a lot of that stuff |
| 23:08.08 | d33tah | hi guys |
| 23:08.14 | initself | squeezeorama |
| 23:08.31 | d33tah | im running debian on my homemade router/firewall with 2gb hdd |
| 23:08.44 | moof2 | cool :) |
| 23:08.45 | d33tah | will i regret allocating 64mb for /boot? |
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| 23:09.18 | d33tah | i mean, atm it's 65% full, will apt-get upgrade with a kernel update mess it up? |
| 23:11.14 | nmschulte | d33tah: it could be an issue, but with those constraints it's probably worth it. |
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| 23:11.22 | nmschulte | you will only need one or two kernels I suspect. |
| 23:11.45 | d33tah | i never managed to run more than one on a single box, so i don't need the other :D |
| 23:11.59 | d33tah | (VM's i consider separate boxes) |
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| 23:12.20 | nmschulte | d33tah: I have a 120MB /boot on my laptop, and two kernels uses 43MB |
| 23:12.21 | d33tah | though i kind of wish i decided to make it 128mb |
| 23:12.34 | Evidlo | whats the command for opening the alsa volume levels controls? |
| 23:12.39 | d33tah | alsamixer? |
| 23:12.49 | Evidlo | yep thx |
| 23:12.52 | d33tah | yw ;) |
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| 23:13.09 | d33tah | is there any command to install security updates only? |
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| 23:14.31 | moof2 | alsamixer is one possible interface, there may be others. alsamixer however is the most well known |
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| 23:15.03 | Jeudi | Hey. I have a spare 2GB USB flash drive. I'm using Debian with a laptop for a server. I'd like to keep the HDD spun down as much as poss when idle. Can I use the 2GB flash drive for logs etc. to keep the HDD asleep? |
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| 23:16.53 | moof2 | I guess you could put it on /var |
| 23:17.36 | Jeudi | moof2: was that to me? |
| 23:18.07 | moof2 | yeah... remember tho, that /var is where packages are downloadede |
| 23:19.41 | Jeudi | Ok. So you're suggesting I mount the drive at /var. Gotcha. I'd have to clone /var to the drive first, right? |
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| 23:23.24 | milligan | After upgrading to wheezy, ctrl+alt+l (screen lock) doesn't work, nor does pressing it in the user menu work.. Any ideas? |
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| 23:28.50 | Jeudi | How do I disable my laptop's audio device through the CLI? I never use it and need to save power. |
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| 23:33.36 | MrFrood | Jeudi: just fire up alsamixer and disable everything |
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| 23:34.17 | Jeudi | MrFrood: alsamixer? That sound's GUI. I'm CLI only. |
| 23:34.23 | Jeudi | ^sounds^ |
| 23:34.49 | cusco | alsamixer is cli |
| 23:34.57 | cusco | ig you were cli only you knew :P |
| 23:35.31 | Jeudi | cusco: not sure I understand. My question did state "through the CLI". |
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| 23:36.14 | cusco | sorry |
| 23:36.19 | Jeudi | Anyway, alsamixer isn't installed. Apparently the way to disable an entire sound device is by "unloading modules". I've never done that before though. |
| 23:36.24 | cusco | alsa-utils |
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| 23:41.20 | Jeudi | I'll try the rmmod method first, and then try alsa-utils if that fails. Thanks :) |
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| 23:47.39 | darkapp | hey histo |
| 23:47.45 | histo | darkapp: yes |
| 23:47.52 | darkapp | so i finished the testdisk scan |
| 23:48.00 | histo | darkapp: what about the strings search? |
| 23:48.25 | darkapp | ok so i went to eat, and then when i came back, the screen was diffrent |
| 23:48.36 | darkapp | it was like black with a bunch of lines |
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| 23:48.57 | darkapp | i couldnt get it to do anything so i rebooted |
| 23:49.18 | histo | darkapp: well that's not good |
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| 23:49.35 | darkapp | which part? |
| 23:49.46 | darkapp | was my computer supposed to do that? |
| 23:50.14 | darkapp | the good part was testdisk said the mint partition was savable |
| 23:50.24 | darkapp | i just dont know how exact;y |
| 23:50.50 | darkapp | exactly* |
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| 23:53.02 | darkapp | histo, im rerunning the scan btw |
| 23:53.29 | histo | darkapp: it's savable because it found the start and end of the partition |
| 23:53.42 | darkapp | so how do i save it? |
| 23:53.44 | histo | darkapp: Your filesystem maybe screwwed though. |
| 23:53.55 | histo | darkapp: from within testdisk you can savae changes |
| 23:54.35 | histo | darkapp: Although as we told you it will probably be faster to boot a forensic distro and perform a keyword search on your drive for a user name. Then examine that section of the drive in hex and copy your passwords out |
| 23:55.05 | darkapp | ok can u give me the string command again? |
| 23:55.32 | darkapp | im sorry if i dont remember everything from last night, it was 4am for me |
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| 23:56.01 | histo | darkapp: Did you finish downloading caine? |
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| 23:56.30 | histo | darkapp: strings /dev/sda | grep -A 20 -B 20 -i "username" |
| 23:56.34 | darkapp | probaly, ill check |
| 23:56.47 | histo | darkapp: Or install autopsy in the system you are using now and add your drive as evidence |
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| 23:58.11 | darkapp | apt-get install autopsy? |
| 23:58.15 | histo | darkapp: yes |
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| 23:58.36 | histo | darkapp: then man autopsy to see how to use it. You use it through your web browser in linux. |
| 23:59.20 | histo | darkapp: in windows autopsy 3.x is a standalone executable that IMO has a much nicer interface. I hope the new 3.x interface gets ported to linux soon. |
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| 23:59.56 | mekeor | so i just installed debian (unstable). :) -- how do i install xorg best? should i install the package "xorg" or rather "xserver-xorg-core"? |