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| 00:00.15 | darkapp | ok |
| 00:00.18 | histo | mekeor: depends |
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| 00:00.46 | histo | darkapp: from within autopsy you can do a "keyword" search |
| 00:00.50 | mekeor | histo: i'd have to manually install the drivers if i installed the latter, right? |
| 00:00.54 | histo | darkapp: similar to what you are trying with string |
| 00:01.14 | histo | mekeor: what are you going to use X for? |
| 00:01.27 | darkapp | ok thanx |
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| 00:01.49 | darkapp | still downloading |
| 00:01.51 | mekeor | histo: ? just as a normal user :D -- iceweasel and icedove and terminator and emacs, primarily ;) |
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| 00:02.26 | histo | mekeor: there are xserver-xorg-video packages |
| 00:02.26 | mekeor | histo: oh, and it will run xmonad :) |
| 00:02.54 | mekeor | histo: yeah. i'd have to install the required xserver-xorg-video packages manually, right? |
| 00:03.02 | darkapp | histo, im going out for a quick smoke brb |
| 00:03.20 | mekeor | histo: but if i fail to succeed, i could still just install the whole xorg package, right? |
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| 00:04.07 | histo | mekeor: you can install xorg-server-core or whatever you'd have to look if it pulls the xorg-video stuff |
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| 00:04.51 | mekeor | uhm, xorg-server-core doesn't "pull" the xorg-video stuff. |
| 00:05.07 | mekeor | anyway, i'm installing xserver-xorg-core now :) |
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| 00:05.30 | histo | mekeor: then startx and see if it works |
| 00:05.35 | mekeor | yea |
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| 00:06.02 | histo | brb |
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| 00:06.30 | mekeor | histo: there's not even a command called "startx" O.o |
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| 00:07.40 | nkuttler | !tell mekeor about install x |
| 00:07.52 | ariqz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.22 | ariqz | probably because, while installing, when the package manager wanted to scan the other cds, it wouldn't let me open my dvd drive and gave me a red screen with errors. I tried it twice, same thing. the stupid software actually locks my dvd drive... |
| 00:08.22 | ariqz | so I thought I'd do the graphical install instead. first of all, when grub is loading when booting off the cd, I get an error: "prefix is not set". However, the installer loads anyway. when I select graphical install I get "error: couldn't read file" press any key. I press any key and I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unnknown-block(0,0). What do? |
| 00:08.50 | nkuttler | ariqz: so you still have the system without X installed? |
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| 00:10.36 | ariqs | I was knocked off if anyone replied to me. |
| 00:10.56 | nkuttler | ariqs: so you still have the system without X installed? |
| 00:11.00 | mekeor | nkuttler: fine... :( installing "xorg"-packge now :D |
| 00:11.17 | ariqs | nkuttler: yes, it seems to have nothing install. |
| 00:11.30 | nkuttler | ariqs: so login as root and aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 00:11.45 | ariqs | I would like a "good" install and I don't know what's missing in this. |
| 00:12.05 | ariqs | why doesn't sudo work anymore? |
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| 00:12.31 | ariqs | oh hell, I'll play along |
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| 00:12.39 | mekeor | ariqs: you have to install "sudo". log in as root and do "apt-get install sudo". |
| 00:13.37 | mekeor | ariqs: afterwards, you have to do "adduser YOUR_USERNAME sudo" to add YOUR_USERNAME to the "sudo"-usergroup. :) |
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| 00:14.25 | ariqs | "couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xorg" |
| 00:14.30 | ariqs | ... "gnome" |
| 00:14.35 | nkuttler | ariqs: aptitude update |
| 00:14.38 | ariqs | ... "xorg" |
| 00:14.55 | ariqs | same |
| 00:15.01 | nkuttler | ariqs: same what? |
| 00:15.09 | ariqs | it does the same after aptitude update |
| 00:15.16 | nkuttler | ariqs: impossible |
| 00:15.32 | nkuttler | ariqs: you mean... you re-run the install command and get the same error? |
| 00:15.38 | ariqs | yes |
| 00:15.41 | nkuttler | ariqs: then pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:16.07 | nkuttler | ariqs: and you didn't get an error when you ran aptitude update, right? |
| 00:16.18 | ariqs | no, just 100% read really fast |
| 00:17.17 | ariqs | I suspect it has to do with not being connected to a network, and it having given me an error message when it was reading the contents of the dvd since I couldn't properly open my dvd drive at the time. |
| 00:17.45 | nkuttler | ariqs: oh you're not connected to the network... you should have said that at the beginning |
| 00:18.34 | ariqs | it wants "non free drivers" I don't have, and I haven't gotten to that stage yet because I'm just trying to get the dang thing to install correctly |
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| 00:54.16 | tenspeed705 | gs3 |
| 00:54.16 | tenspeed705 | works fine on my mac and debian box at work...its weird |
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| 01:46.00 | jimcooncat | I'm stuck, need to go to cli, what package to install to get back on this irc channel, please? |
| 01:46.47 | dvs | jimcooncat: irssi? I've never used it. |
| 01:47.00 | jimcooncat | Or how do I revert to the previous kernel before this update? |
| 01:47.18 | jimcooncat | My mouse and keyboard have gone wacko |
| 01:47.36 | jimcooncat | I can't even scroll back to where someone may have answered me earlier |
| 01:47.44 | dvs | jimcooncat: If you didn't remove the old package, you can just select it from grub |
| 01:48.14 | jimcooncat | dvs, this is a recent squeeze security update with a reboot |
| 01:48.55 | jimcooncat | I didn't see a different option, other than the Recovery Mode, whatever that does |
| 01:49.08 | dvs | oh, then there may not be a previous version. Sometimes they increase the release version, sometimes they donl |
| 01:49.08 | dvs | t |
| 01:49.43 | jimcooncat | could there be other options available from grub? |
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| 01:50.49 | jimcooncat | signing off thanks |
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| 01:50.59 | dvs | jimcooncat: if there are only two options on the boot menu then there is only one kernel installed |
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| 01:55.44 | kaie | hello. I wonder why the owncloud package for wheezy is still at version 4.0.4, while several security issues have been reported, and the upstream branch is already at 4.0.15 |
| 01:56.04 | kaie | Has maintenance stopped and I should rather use the owncloud repository? |
| 01:56.28 | jimcooncat | I need to revert to before the most recent sqeeze kernel update. How do I undo an update like that? |
| 01:57.22 | kaie | jimcooncat, if your previous kernel is still installed, you could use "apt-get remove --purge package-that-you-want-to-delete" ? |
| 01:57.58 | jimcooncat | kaie: I don't know if it's still installed, but it's not available from grub |
| 01:58.23 | kaie | jimcooncat, "dpkg --list | grep linux-image" |
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| 01:59.48 | jimcooncat | I got 2.6.686 and 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 02:01.36 | jimcooncat | the first also says 2.6.32+29 and the second 2.6.32-48squeeze3 |
| 02:02.20 | kaie | jimcooncat, does /boot contain files for both kernels? I don't know why some kernels would be missing from the grub boot menu. |
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| 02:02.50 | kaie | ( regarding my own question, I found http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-owncloud-maintainers/ ) |
| 02:03.47 | jimcooncat | in boot I have vmlinuz and initrd files, both for 2.6.32-5-686. |
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| 02:04.45 | jimcooncat | It's hard to believe running oldstable there's no recovery from a bad update on a default installed computer |
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| 02:05.16 | dvs | jimcooncat: yeah, you only have one kernel. |
| 02:05.41 | jimcooncat | Time to install wheezy. This time I want two or three kernels. |
| 02:06.14 | dvs | jimcooncat: I thought you already had wheezy? |
| 02:06.24 | jimcooncat | dvs, no, still on squeeze |
| 02:06.37 | jimcooncat | just got an update yesterday |
| 02:06.53 | dvs | jimcooncat: You can get a backported kernel and see if that works. |
| 02:07.02 | jimcooncat | installed and xfce is hosed |
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| 02:08.30 | jimcooncat | can I just apt-install a previous kernel? And I'm not even sure which one I need! |
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| 02:09.18 | jimcooncat | nm, it's time to upgrade. Thanks much dvs |
| 02:09.20 | dvs | jimcooncat: That package is probably not available anymore. |
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| 02:09.45 | dvs | np |
| 02:11.25 | jimcooncat | oh, so after I back up /home, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:11.37 | dvs | no |
| 02:11.45 | dvs | !release notes |
| 02:11.46 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>. |
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| 02:12.17 | jimcooncat | I can't click a link |
| 02:12.47 | dvs | !tell jimcooncat about squeeze->wheezy |
| 02:12.58 | jimcooncat | thinks he'll pop in a livecd and quit bugging nice folks on irc |
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| 02:13.29 | jimcooncat | ... my world for a browser that works. Later, and thanks. |
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| 02:45.50 | ZitZ | i can connect to my ssh server by hostname but not by local ip, i can't figure out what i setup that made this happen |
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| 03:12.19 | mumpitzel | ChrisW1: sorry. went to bed :) if it closes, any error message beforehand like "authentication mechanism not recognized" or so? |
| 03:12.32 | mumpitzel | but then, it's morning and I'm gone in a few minutes... |
| 03:12.39 | Rix | every 10 minutes i get high io, so when i checked i saw jbd2 was causing it, then in mail.log i saw this: |
| 03:12.40 | Rix | http://pastebin.com/JE9EstYf |
| 03:12.46 | Rix | can someone help me please |
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| 03:13.28 | themill | ,i sensible-mda |
| 03:13.31 | judd | Package sensible-mda (mail, extra) in wheezy/i386: Mail Delivery Agent wrapper. Version: 8.14.4-4; Size: 213.3k; Installed: 272k; Homepage: http://www.sendmail.org |
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| 03:13.51 | themill | (I don't believe that "sendmail" and "sensible" would normally be used together like that) |
| 03:14.40 | themill | Rix: your MTA is configured to use "sensible-mda" to deliver the mail, and that package isn't installed on your machine |
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| 03:15.41 | Rix | so to fix it i just need to install sensible-mda? can't i just remove this cron job or is it essential |
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| 03:16.11 | themill | I don't know what cron job it is -- in any case you probably want a non-broken mta. What mta are you using? |
| 03:16.19 | Quix86 | Debian 7 doesn't seem to work with my audio card (CS4281). I've tried multiple players and checked volume, alsa is correctly set up and everything is turned up |
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| 03:16.41 | Quix86 | I've done a dmesg | grep CS4281 and deb6 has an extra line saying: |
| 03:16.56 | Quix86 | PCI INT A -> Link[LINKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ11 |
| 03:17.19 | Rix | it's a fresh install of debian7 i haven't configured mta.. probably its just /usr/bin/sendmail ? i dunno :D |
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| 03:18.56 | themill | Rix: a fresh install of debian doesn't need sensible-mda and doesn't use sendmail |
| 03:19.19 | Rix | hm probably i did install sendmail.. i've stoped now cron (service cron stop) but the problem persists: |
| 03:19.22 | Rix | 267 be/3 root 0.00 B/s 11.77 K/s 0.00 % 96.64 % [jbd2/sda1-8] |
| 03:19.22 | Rix | 19173 be/4 root 0.00 B/s 43.15 K/s 0.00 % 0.29 % sendmail: MTA: ./r4E9ajPF030432 from queue |
| 03:19.27 | Rix | this is from iotops |
| 03:19.37 | Rix | i will now install sensible mta and will see if it will occur |
| 03:19.55 | themill | I'd recommend picking any mta other than sendmail |
| 03:20.18 | themill | Why did you pick sendmail? (you would have already had exim installed by default and it just works) |
| 03:21.15 | Rix | because i don't know anything else :D |
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| 03:26.39 | themill | Rix: what sort of mail handling do you actually need on that box? |
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| 03:27.16 | themill | I'm guessing something that approximates "none" given that you'd not noticed that it wasn't working. |
| 03:27.20 | Rix | im not using it for mailing (currently) its for learning and etc (im student), but i would like the best one of course :) i should probably make a search in google for the best |
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| 03:28.19 | themill | Rix: there is no "best" MTA -- there are different MTAs for different purposes. The default exim4 is very easy to set up for just delivering mail to your own user and nothing else, or forwarding the mail onto another account if you need that. |
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| 03:29.17 | Rix | thanks :)) |
| 03:29.31 | Rix | i tested now and the problem with high io still exists, i will make a paste, just a second |
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| 03:35.29 | Improv | If I just let the net install install a bare minimum and rebooted, what's the best way to install additional package sets once it's self-hosting? |
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| 03:39.05 | Quix86 | anyone? |
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| 03:40.09 | themill | Improv: you can run "tasksel" to get back to that task selection screen, otherwise "aptitude install myfavouritepackage mysecondfavouritepackage ..." |
| 03:40.23 | Improv | Aha, cool. Thanks. |
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| 03:41.00 | Rix | i found my problem and fixed it |
| 03:41.16 | Rix | logs are my best friends :) |
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| 03:47.31 | Improv | themill: tasksel ... doesn't seem to get me to any screens. It just seems to be a kinda confusing utility that pokes around in files under /usr/share/tasksel but doesn't seem to do a lot |
| 03:48.04 | Improv | themill: Also, apt-get install PACKAGENAME seems ... hmm. I wonder if maybe my apt config is somehow missing a lot of repositories |
| 03:48.23 | themill | Improv: perhaps show us your sources.list to start with |
| 03:48.33 | Improv | I get the feeling it's a weird thing to tell the net installer to just do what it can to build the system. |
| 03:48.54 | themill | there is no "just do what you can" option in the installer... |
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| 03:49.40 | Improv | There is. You can tell the net installer not to actually go out to the net. |
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| 03:51.11 | themill | being specific helps. That option is labelled "don't try to connect to the network" or similar, not "just do what you can". |
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| 03:52.00 | Improv | my sources.list has deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main and deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main |
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| 03:52.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Improv about wheezy sources.list |
| 03:52.14 | Improv | Apologies if there are typos; manually transcribed. |
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| 03:52.31 | themill | It's not a weird thing to do at all -- it's quite often necessary to do that but then you need to fix up the sources.list afterwards. |
| 03:53.09 | Improv | Ahh, groovy. Thanks. Sorry for the newbieheit; recently left Fedora/CentOS after many, many years and still learning Debian specifics. |
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| 04:09.25 | Improv | Weird. That didn't work. |
| 04:09.58 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 04:09.59 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 04:10.23 | Improv | Rather, things like "apt-get install less" still tell me they can't find any install candidates. |
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| 04:10.37 | themill | so what have you done so far/ |
| 04:10.39 | themill | ? |
| 04:10.49 | Improv | edited those lines into my sources.list |
| 04:11.14 | themill | and did you run "aptitude update" as dpkg said? |
| 04:11.22 | Improv | Yup. |
| 04:11.34 | themill | can you pastebin the output of that command for me? |
| 04:11.35 | Improv | And then left aptitude to try to use apt-get. |
| 04:12.05 | Improv | themill: The machine isn't on my network proper right now; need to get the firmware installed for the lan before I can do that. |
| 04:12.14 | Improv | Right now it's tethered through my phone, and that hides it behind a nat. |
| 04:12.29 | themill | did aptitude update complete without errors? |
| 04:12.34 | Improv | yup |
| 04:12.56 | Improv | "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed" |
| 04:13.58 | themill | that's not in the output of "aptitude update" |
| 04:14.16 | Kanna | Can I browse files which were in the NTFS on Debian ? |
| 04:14.34 | themill | Improv: update ≠upgrade |
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| 04:15.08 | Improv | themill: Oh, damnit, you're right. |
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| 04:16.15 | Improv | themill: And now apt-get has heard of all the packages I want. Cool. |
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| 04:17.50 | sanmarcos | I upgraded from 6 to 7 and dovecot's configuration is now some nightmare impossible to configure |
| 04:17.58 | sanmarcos | is this debian's doing? |
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| 04:19.29 | sanmarcos | and now mysql wont start anymore |
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| 04:21.42 | themill | sanmarcos: one problem at a time; dovecot has changed quite a bit between squeeze and wheezy |
| 04:21.47 | themill | !dovecot wheezy |
| 04:21.47 | dpkg | The upgrade from Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" to Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" takes you from Dovecot 1.2 to 2.1. This is a big upgrade that requires manual intervention. Further details are available in the /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz in wheezy's dovecot-core package and at http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Upgrading/2.0 and http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Upgrading/2.1 |
| 04:22.07 | boudiccas | for some unknown daft reason i ran 'sudo update-menus' and now cant access any DE on this machine, so how do I reverse that command please? i'm having to log in as root atm to be able to get on the computer at all |
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| 04:23.01 | sanmarcos | themill: ok, my mysql had a deprecated setting, I think I got that fixed |
| 04:23.09 | sanmarcos | thank you themill I will take a look at those documents |
| 04:23.13 | sanmarcos | the amount of change is just insane |
| 04:23.40 | themill | not all upstreams are good at maintaining backwards compatibility with their file formats |
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| 04:24.03 | sanmarcos | somehow during dist-upgrade I would get the text configuration changed prompt, sometimes the curses prompt |
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| 04:24.20 | sanmarcos | and the curses prompt could never open a terminal, saying $SHELL and $DISPLAY werent set |
| 04:24.33 | sanmarcos | is there a way to disable the curses configuration conflict prompt? it is usesless |
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| 04:25.00 | themill | how are you doing the upgrade? |
| 04:25.20 | sanmarcos | ssh, su -, screen, apt-get update .. dist-upgrade |
| 04:25.41 | themill | ucf should work fine in that environment |
| 04:25.57 | sanmarcos | it did not |
| 04:26.08 | sanmarcos | I saw a reference to an ubuntu bug with that problem, but no answers |
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| 04:26.16 | themill | I can't work out how you have $SHELL unset there |
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| 04:26.54 | sanmarcos | echo $SHELL before dist-upgrade is /bin/zsh |
| 04:27.36 | prem | has anybody build freeipa server in debian? |
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| 04:28.34 | Bronze | prompts dont open terminals |
| 04:28.46 | themill | sanmarcos: ahh -- I suspect you need to screen first then use su -. |
| 04:29.13 | Bronze | If the setting of DISPLAy was an issue, then the problem has to do with X-windows not knowing what device to use |
| 04:29.16 | themill | ,#574266 |
| 04:29.20 | themill | ,bug #574266 |
| 04:29.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/574266 in ucf (closed): «ucf: starting a new shell fails from console»; severity: important; opened: 2010-03-17; last modified: 2013-04-24. |
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| 04:30.18 | vpv4oo | is there a native tool in debian to display harddisk information, such as serial number? |
| 04:30.23 | sanmarcos | ha this been fixed then judd ? |
| 04:30.30 | sanmarcos | I meant, themill ? |
| 04:30.32 | sanmarcos | because I still see it |
| 04:30.36 | themill | sanmarcos: not for wheezy. |
| 04:30.45 | sanmarcos | fixed in 2010 but it is not in wheezy? |
| 04:31.08 | themill | sanmarcos: that's not what the output says |
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| 04:31.27 | sanmarcos | ah ok, it was recently closed |
| 04:31.39 | sanmarcos | is there a way to disable the curses ucf forever? |
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| 04:32.00 | themill | no. you are being prompted because you need to do something not just for the fun of it. |
| 04:32.09 | sanmarcos | yeh but why sometimes as text, sometimes as curses? |
| 04:32.18 | sanmarcos | the text version lets me open a shell, curses does not |
| 04:32.57 | themill | because sometimes it's a dpkg conffile prompt and sometimes it's a ucf prompt depending on the package. As I said, organise the screen and su the other way around and I suspect you don't have that problem in any case |
| 04:33.32 | themill | (actually, you could force ucf to either keep the old config file or use the new config file, but in both cases you'll end up with a broken config and be unhappy too) |
| 04:33.34 | sanmarcos | so screen->su instead of su->screen |
| 04:33.57 | sanmarcos | this should be in the release notes. |
| 04:34.00 | themill | yes, the combination of su and screen is always interesting for who owns the controlling terminal |
| 04:34.16 | sanmarcos | ook, themill you have been very helpful |
| 04:34.27 | sanmarcos | going back to my dovecot nightmare |
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| 04:36.04 | Bronze | vpv4oo: see "smartctl" |
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| 04:40.26 | vpv4oo | Bronze: thanks |
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| 04:48.42 | jmd | The X Server configuration under wheezy seems to have some serious configuration issues. |
| 04:48.55 | jmd | It wasn't a problem on squeeze. |
| 04:49.07 | sanmarcos | hours and hours wasted on this dovecot crap |
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| 04:52.26 | histo | sanmarcos: whats wrong with dovecot? |
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| 04:54.08 | sanmarcos | they made massive insane huge changes to the coniguration files |
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| 04:54.12 | sanmarcos | basically you have to write it again |
| 04:54.27 | sanmarcos | they couldnt be bothered with backwards compatibility or a migration tool |
| 04:54.40 | vpv4oo | is that right, apt download and installs pre-compiled packages. you can use it to download the source and compile the software yourself as well, can you specify compilation settings like -funroll-loops when doing so? |
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| 04:55.00 | somiaj | vpv4oo: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 04:55.05 | themill | sanmarcos: so «doveconf -n -c /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf > dovecot-2.conf» didn't work for you? |
| 04:55.23 | somiaj | vpv4oo: apt really doesn't build packages, but apt-get will download a source package (And automically pass it to building tools if you desire) |
| 04:55.30 | ChibaPet | vpv4oo: Mm, funroll-loops... http://funroll-loops.info/ |
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| 04:55.55 | somiaj | vpv4oo: to modify how a package is compiled you need a little familarity with the debian/ directory |
| 04:55.58 | sanmarcos | themill: partly, there is stuff that it doesn't know how to translate |
| 04:56.16 | vpv4oo | so there is no pre-compiled software involved, your system compiles the software in any case? |
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| 04:56.40 | ChibaPet | vpv4oo: The opposite. Compiling software is typically not done on the end-user's system. |
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| 04:56.53 | sanmarcos | themill: like auth sockets |
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| 04:57.25 | vpv4oo | ChibaPet, somiaj : ah alright, thanks |
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| 04:58.31 | ChibaPet | vpv4oo: In general, you're going to benefit more from the testing done on the precompiled package than you'd benefit from the cycles shaved off of execute time by making the compiler be trickier. |
| 04:58.51 | vpv4oo | are the usual compilation options set up by a similar mechanism as USE-flags, or are they specified by make config screens when compiling? |
| 04:59.34 | ChibaPet | vpv4oo: Forget those things exist and be happier. |
| 04:59.50 | vpv4oo | ChibaPet: is not possible :( |
| 05:00.45 | ChibaPet | vpv4oo: But seriously, the package maintainers are going to tend to specify build flags as they see fit, and the end user isn't really supposed to think about that much. You can influence things to that extent if you want, but then you really will be better off running Gentoo or FreeBSD, where you're expected to twiddle desperately for normal operations. |
| 05:00.46 | nevyn | vpv4oo: then go back to using distros that support that well. like arch and gentoo |
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| 05:02.27 | vpv4oo | alright, thanks for the infos... just curious, will stick with bsd |
| 05:02.40 | ChibaPet | The BSDs don't have USE flags as such. |
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| 05:03.10 | vpv4oo | i dont really like useflags, better than nothing... i really prefer make config-recursive or similar. just the plain config screens |
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| 05:09.39 | Improv | Are there any well-known extra repositories that track current versions of the kernel very closely? |
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| 05:09.54 | histo | !tell Improv about kernel |
| 05:10.09 | ChibaPet | Improv: No - you'll see newer kernels in Experimental or Sid but you don't want to get into that in most cases. |
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| 05:11.16 | ChibaPet | Improv: It's also possible you might see something in wheezy-backports, but there doesn't appear to be anything at the moment. |
| 05:11.34 | themill | I suspect a 3.8 kernel will land in wheezy backports reasonably soon |
| 05:11.45 | Improv | Yeah, I'm trying to make a usable system with a NIC that only got support in 3.9 |
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| 05:12.20 | Improv | Might mean I get to compile my own kernel for the first time in many years :) |
| 05:12.31 | ChibaPet | Improv: Which NIC? |
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| 05:13.11 | Improv | Broadcom 57766 |
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| 05:15.30 | ChibaPet | Improv: Hrm. So, I saw one post about that existing in 3.7, so if you can hold off for 3.8 in backports, that might do the trick for you. |
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| 05:18.01 | maik | any of you guys familiar with Proxmox's VE product? |
| 05:18.04 | ChibaPet | Improv: Also seeing indications that it exists in 3.6: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/5/7/47 |
| 05:18.14 | Improv | ChibaPet: I need the box up by next week, so I'm likely either building my own kernel or seeing if some other distro bundles it |
| 05:18.36 | Improv | Chiba: Apparently it was unreliable before this patch: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=d3f677afb8076d09d090ff0a5d1229c9dd9f136e |
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| 05:19.17 | Improv | Really wishing I had been given a box with hardware I could've chosen. |
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| 05:20.14 | ChibaPet | Improv: Building your own isn't terrible, although I haven't done it for a while. If it were me, I'd try that, as the stability Debian gives you is worth quite a bit. You could try backporting by yourself from the newer Debian kernel packages, or building upstream. There are some potentially useful links here: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingKernelFromUpstreamSources |
| 05:20.51 | Improv | ChibaPet: That's helpful, thanks. |
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| 05:21.49 | darthanubis | man have not rolled my own kernel in a decade. Thanks for the link. |
| 05:22.01 | Improv | ChibaPet: Looks like no other distro that looks sane is shipping 3.9 at this point, so yeah... |
| 05:22.35 | ChibaPet | Improv: I have no experience with it, but aptosid ships 3.9. I'd still rather build my own for Wheezy. |
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| 05:23.30 | Improv | The install process was kinda rough too; this is a Mac Mini, and the partitioning process involved syncing multiple types of partition tables. |
| 05:23.32 | jmd | In wheezy, how can I disable the caps lock key? |
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| 05:23.48 | Improv | jmd: xmodmap can do it, although there may be a better way. |
| 05:23.50 | ChibaPet | jmd: Do you want a dead key, or do you want it to be another control? |
| 05:24.03 | jmd | ChibaPet: Another control |
| 05:24.20 | jmd | Improv: That used to work in squeeze. But not in Wheezy. |
| 05:24.34 | ChibaPet | jmd: Good morning, by the way. :) Anyway, try changing /etc/default/keyboard to include: XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps" |
| 05:24.41 | Improv | jmd: Oh, really? Weird. |
| 05:24.56 | ChibaPet | jmd: xmodmap works well too, but if you set it in /etc/default/keyboard, it will also apply to text consoles, which is nice. |
| 05:24.59 | jmd | xmodmap -e 'clear Lock' ; xmodmap -e 'add control = Caps_Lock' used to work. |
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| 05:25.16 | jmd | but wheezy seems to ignore xmodmap |
| 05:25.43 | jmd | ChibaPet: That would be nice, but I want it on a per user setting. |
| 05:25.46 | Improv | Might be gnome doing that, I would guess. |
| 05:26.00 | jmd | Improv: I'm not running gnome. |
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| 05:26.41 | ChibaPet | jmd: Then you want xmodmap: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/47c16041 |
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| 05:27.23 | jmd | ChibaPet: I'll try that. But I'm not optimistic ... |
| 05:27.41 | ChibaPet | You don't have to be. You've viciously broken something if it doesn't work. It'll work. |
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| 05:28.55 | ChibaPet | Here, throw this in too. Your SLIME will love you: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/26297ce9 |
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| 05:29.17 | jmd | ChibaPet: Ok. So it works, thanks. |
| 05:29.28 | ChibaPet | Shocking. Enjoy. :) |
| 05:29.32 | jmd | Why does my simpler version no longer work? |
| 05:29.58 | ChibaPet | Beats me. I've never used that syntax. What I gave you is what I've used since the 90s, I believe, before I was a Linux user. |
| 05:30.31 | jmd | ok. Well thanks anyway. |
| 05:30.41 | jmd | reboots |
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| 05:34.57 | sanmarcos | !python |
| 05:34.58 | dpkg | Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide . #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net. See also <python 2.6>, <python 2.7> and <python 3>. |
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| 05:35.54 | sanmarcos | to switch back to python 2.6 in wheezy? |
| 05:36.01 | sanmarcos | just change the symlink? |
| 05:36.27 | themill | sanmarcos: no |
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| 05:37.37 | sanmarcos | update-alternatives --config python shows no alternatives |
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| 05:37.44 | themill | If a script needs python2.6 and not 2.7, it should use #!/usr/bin/python2.6. (or, since python2.6 will not be in jessie, just fix the python script to make it work with python2.7.) |
| 05:38.04 | themill | Where /usr/bin/python points is not something that the local admin can configured |
| 05:38.27 | sanmarcos | this is some mod_python insane thing |
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| 05:39.33 | themill | libapache2-mod-python in wheezy uses only python2.7. |
| 05:39.58 | themill | (and changing where /usr/bin/python points would not change that in any case; that's the entire point of mod_python) |
| 05:40.28 | sanmarcos | crap |
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| 05:44.56 | sanmarcos | ok, easy_install fixed it |
| 05:45.11 | sanmarcos | somehow I had an easy_install in /usr/local/bin which was messing things up |
| 05:46.25 | sanmarcos | there is no easy_uninstal, of course |
| 05:47.09 | themill | locally installed python and perl modules are a great way of breaking debian packages |
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| 05:47.56 | sanmarcos | yeah I dont know easy_install likes to use /usr/local/lib |
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| 05:48.07 | sanmarcos | python's package manager has always been shit |
| 05:48.30 | GinTonicool | hi guys,when chrome playing videos ,the sound always quiver ,shiver ,what's wrong ? |
| 05:48.50 | themill | it doesn't matter how good your package management is, putting incompatible versions of libraries with no versioning scheme into the search path is going to lead to tears. |
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| 05:54.52 | sanmarcos | ok, getting closer, what a nightmare this upgrade has been |
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| 05:58.03 | sanmarcos | and this wasnt even a prodcution server, I am afraid to do it there |
| 05:58.06 | sanmarcos | just because of dovecot |
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| 05:59.59 | themill | well you can get it all working in a VM and just copy the config across. VMs are so cheap |
| 06:00.41 | sanmarcos | the server is a vm already |
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| 06:00.57 | sanmarcos | wish I could just download a vm image off Linode, sucks that they dont support that |
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| 06:16.36 | sanmarcos | what a disaster dovecot 2 is, no documentation whatsoever |
| 06:17.00 | sanmarcos | you want to disable imap? set it to port 0..., not documented anywhere but ina mailing list message http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2010-March/047479.html |
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| 06:20.19 | ChibaPet | dovecot sans imap sounds very strange nowadays |
| 06:20.29 | sanmarcos | I only want imaps |
| 06:20.32 | themill | sanmarcos: please submit bugs, preferably with patches. |
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| 06:20.37 | sanmarcos | what is the point of 143 |
| 06:20.56 | themill | (also, #dovecot is over → there) |
| 06:21.06 | sanmarcos | #dovecot is dead |
| 06:21.13 | sanmarcos | it seems the project itself has gone downhill over the years |
| 06:21.29 | sanmarcos | but it still is a great product, despite the faults in the config system in 2 |
| 06:21.41 | sanmarcos | I should not be complaining |
| 06:21.47 | themill | sanmarcos: try asking questions at a different time of day. |
| 06:21.47 | sanmarcos | anyways, themill thank you for all your support |
| 06:21.51 | ChibaPet | sanmarcos: If you want imaps and not imap, s/protocols = imap imaps/protocols = imaps/ in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf. Setting the port to 0 sounds dodgy at best. |
| 06:22.09 | sanmarcos | ChibaPet: welcome to dovecot 2... now you know, it took me hours just to find it |
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| 06:22.15 | sanmarcos | ChibaPet: some fun awaits you when you upgrade... |
| 06:22.23 | ChibaPet | sanmarcos: The config file makes that fairly clear. |
| 06:22.26 | bonjoyee | in have just installed debian 7 64-bit, root is fomatted as brtfs. I am experiencing painfully slow package installation...Its not the network...feels live heavy disk usage....the system literally freezez |
| 06:22.27 | sanmarcos | ChibaPet: you will remember my words... |
| 06:22.33 | bonjoyee | *freezes |
| 06:22.51 | bonjoyee | its gnome3 install... |
| 06:23.08 | ChibaPet | sanmarcos: Ah, sorry, I picked the wrong box to grab a config example. |
| 06:23.34 | sanmarcos | /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/example-config/conf.d/10-master.conf no mention of port = 0 anywhere |
| 06:25.19 | GinTonicool | themill ,,when chrome playing videos ,the sound always quiver ,shiver ,what's wrong ? |
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| 06:25.38 | themill | GinTonicool: if I knew, I would have suggested something earlier. sorry. |
| 06:26.12 | bonjoyee | my system almost freezes while installating or removing packages and it takes lots of time to even install a small packages..never had this with debian 6 |
| 06:26.29 | ChibaPet | sanmarcos: Alright, installed on a test server, and yeah, that's just a bit obscure. |
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| 06:26.45 | sanmarcos | ChibaPet: try upgrading from 1 to 2 see how much fun you have |
| 06:27.40 | GinTonicool | themill ,thanks still buddy |
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| 06:28.47 | phreaky | morning guys - do you know whether i can use only the first dvd of debian 7( as minimal installation possible )? Because i dont have 3 dvds right now only 1 :) |
| 06:28.55 | sanmarcos | yes phreaky |
| 06:29.29 | phreaky | usually they write that .. and i was a little bit confused |
| 06:29.59 | ChibaPet | sanmarcos: Alright, well then. I'll actually be doing that upgrade before too wildly long, so thanks for the warning. Maybe I'll look at alternatives to Dovecot. I remember being fairly happy with courier-imapd. |
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| 06:30.59 | sanmarcos | ChibaPet: /msg dpkg dovecot wheezy |
| 06:31.17 | sanmarcos | I use the workaround.org setup ant it seems to work fine with 2 |
| 06:31.49 | themill | phreaky: you can use a significantly smaller image than the DVD to get a working system. |
| 06:32.17 | ChibaPet | Seems reasonable. I suspect the only interesting bit if I switch away will be getting my SMTP auth to be happy with something other than Dovecot. Although I guess Dovecot is broken up now such that I can get the auth without the IMAP server. |
| 06:32.39 | phreaky | cheers people |
| 06:32.57 | sanmarcos | I think you could always get auth without imap |
| 06:33.03 | sanmarcos | the auth socket that is, I use it for postfix |
| 06:34.15 | dirtydaw1 | . |
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| 06:36.22 | ChibaPet | Hm, I'd wanted to try out the full Courier suite sometime. Maybe I'll start mucking with it this weekend. sanmarcos: Good luck on the remainder of your conversion, for whatever remains. |
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| 06:36.38 | sanmarcos | thanks good luck to you too |
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| 06:41.40 | surfn_ | if I was part way through an upgrade, and the power was cut - and it didn't complete... what is the command to finish it? |
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| 06:42.00 | sanmarcos | apt-get dist-upgrade should restart it I think |
| 06:42.02 | sanmarcos | if not apt-get -f install |
| 06:43.41 | boudiccas | what exactly does 'sudo update-menus' do please? I ran it lkast night and now I cant access any of my DE, I've had to create a new user for it, but is there a way of reverting its effects please? |
| 06:44.03 | sanmarcos | !whatis upadte-menus |
| 06:44.34 | sanmarcos | !update-menus |
| 06:44.34 | dpkg | update-menus is, like, a utility used in the Debian Menu System. Originally inspired by the install-fvwm2-menu program from the old fvwm2 package; it tries to provide a somewhat more general inteface for menu building for the X Window System. |
| 06:44.44 | themill | boudiccas: do you have a pile or root-owned files in your ~/ again? |
| 06:45.12 | nevyn | it's mostly superceded by .desktop for fd.o compliant windo managers |
| 06:45.18 | boudiccas | themill, a pile? sorry, what do you mean? yes, to the last |
| 06:45.21 | nevyn | but before that it was really useful |
| 06:45.32 | themill | boudiccas: lots (or any, really) |
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| 06:46.10 | boudiccas | themill, yes, some. you reckon if i make them my original user then i'll be able to login again? |
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| 06:46.30 | themill | boudiccas: perhaps pastebin the output of "find /home/youruser -user root" |
| 06:46.39 | Nirvash | I'm trying to edit my .htaccess file to append / to the end of URLs. Unfortunately, the code is conflicting with current rules, any ideas on where to look for a solution? |
| 06:46.55 | boudiccas | k, got to sort it out, give us 5 please |
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| 06:49.48 | boudiccas | themill, http://dpaste.com/1171819/ |
| 06:50.26 | sanmarcos | Nirvash: #httpd |
| 06:52.05 | themill | boudiccas: your .Xauthority being owned by root is not a good thing; that's more likely to be the culprit than update-menus |
| 06:52.26 | Nirvash | sanmarcos: thanks! |
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| 06:53.19 | Nirvash | I can't post there for some reason... |
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| 06:54.02 | themill | Nirvash: you need to be registered and identified with nickserv; /msg nickserv help register |
| 06:55.14 | Nirvash | doh, I didn't get pinged for not authenticating lol |
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| 06:55.58 | boudiccas | themill, thanks, i'll just lkogout and try to get back in again, thanks again |
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| 07:01.58 | Quix86 | Debian 7 doesn't seem to work with my audio card (CS4281). I've tried multiple players and checked volume, alsa is correctly set up and everything is turned up |
| 07:02.03 | Quix86 | PCI INT A -> Link[LINKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ11 |
| 07:02.08 | Quix86 | I've done a dmesg | grep CS4281 and deb6 has an extra line saying: |
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| 07:09.55 | smw | anyone seen this before? I am getting odd results with apt-get. When I try to install linux-headers-3.8-2-amd64/unstable it is not giving me an error, but it isn't installing the package either. I am having no problems with other packages. http://fpaste.org/12697/36877452/ |
| 07:10.19 | ariqs | so I've pasted my linux install woes in here enough. I'm sure you all know them. Will changing my boot partition to EFI possibly make things work? |
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| 07:11.26 | thunder1212 | is there any possiblity to use gnome 2 in debian |
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| 07:12.01 | smw | thunder1212, gnome 2 isn't available in wheezy |
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| 07:13.10 | smw | thunder1212, you may want to look into mate. They have a debian repo http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
| 07:14.22 | moof2 | how would I determine the uuid of a filesystem? |
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| 07:15.24 | themill | moof2: blkid |
| 07:15.42 | moof2 | thankyou |
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| 07:15.55 | themill | smw: pinning at -10 is crazy |
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| 07:16.19 | smw | themill, you said that yesterday. It is crazy, but it works very well :-) |
| 07:16.26 | themill | except it does not |
| 07:16.30 | smw | themill, it doesn't? |
| 07:16.31 | themill | as you keep showing us... |
| 07:16.41 | smw | themill, it works for every other package I install |
| 07:17.20 | themill | presumably ones without dependencies |
| 07:17.23 | smw | themill, I have had no problems installing other sid packages including linux-image-3.8. |
| 07:17.46 | smw | themill, dependencies give me a different error than this :-P |
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| 07:17.56 | themill | (also, please use a different mirror to ftp.d.o) |
| 07:18.04 | smw | themill, why? |
| 07:18.20 | moof2 | special purpose (for ftp.d.o) |
| 07:18.24 | themill | because you're just using up donated bandwidth on that host |
| 07:18.50 | moof2 | it's all donated tho, right? |
| 07:19.07 | smw | themill, ok, I will try to find another mirror later |
| 07:19.25 | moof2 | what country are you in |
| 07:19.27 | themill | sure, but ftp.d.o gets a hammering from all the people who (wrongly) think they should use it, while other mirrors get little usage at all |
| 07:19.28 | smw | themill, in the mean time I need to figure out why I can't install kernel headers :-\ |
| 07:19.31 | smw | moof2, US |
| 07:19.48 | smw | themill, I thought ftp.d.org was a pool |
| 07:19.53 | themill | yeah, so you definitely don't want a mirror in the netherlands |
| 07:19.55 | themill | no |
| 07:20.05 | moof2 | howbout http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 07:20.20 | themill | http.debian.net would be a better choice |
| 07:20.23 | moof2 | ftp.d.o is in nl? |
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| 07:21.04 | moof2 | themill, what's special about that host? |
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| 07:21.08 | smw | themill, setting it at -10 makes it easy to use apt-show-versions without accidently upgrading/installing packages from outside wheezy |
| 07:21.17 | moof2 | or what makes it a better choice |
| 07:21.45 | Maelstrom | can linux ping command get you a DDoS conviction if you use it and dont know about ctrl+c? |
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| 07:21.57 | sanmarcos | doubtful |
| 07:22.02 | smw | themill, I want to remain on stable while getting some packages from unstable. With it set at -10, I am warned before it updates libc or something |
| 07:22.05 | sanmarcos | ddos is distributed |
| 07:22.09 | moof2 | well regular ping goes once per second |
| 07:22.21 | sanmarcos | not enough to classify as a dos |
| 07:22.37 | moof2 | even if you left that on for hours, that's not going to harm anything |
| 07:22.52 | themill | moof2: http.d.n is a redirection service not an individual host |
| 07:23.16 | moof2 | got it. |
| 07:23.35 | smw | themill, I always assumed ftp.d.o was too |
| 07:24.33 | themill | smw: "don't do that" is really the best advice I can give you then. With more sane (and less problematic) pinning of 1<=p<100, you'd be able to get that to work more easily and, provided you actually read what apt is going to do, you still don't break your system. Mixing stable and unstable really isn't a good plan. Just don't. |
| 07:26.09 | smw | themill, 1. it is too much work to read what is being upgraded every time 2. The reason I am using -10 is to avoid "mixing stable and unstable" more than just leaf packages |
| 07:26.38 | themill | If you can't even be bothered to read what apt is going to do then you're even more insane than I first thought. |
| 07:27.09 | themill | pops smw into the "unsupportable" box. |
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| 07:27.35 | smw | themill, with it set at -10, it is in my apt database so apt-show-versions is able to find it and tell me about updates. |
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| 07:28.56 | thunder1212 | smw, the biggest problem while working in gnome 3 is that there is no panel to show the open pages and when i switch between applications with alt+tab its a big headache |
| 07:28.58 | smw | themill, yes, I can be bothered to read what apt is doing, but that is sometimes difficult. If I install something and don't realize it is from unstable, I might not realize it is installing an important package other programs use. This requires me to be explicit and check everything it is doing that involves unstable |
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| 07:29.27 | smw | thunder1212, have you tried going to the activities screen? |
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| 07:29.54 | smw | click the super key (microsoft button) |
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| 07:30.18 | smw | thunder1212, I use "native window placement" extension to make that screen easier to use for switching applications |
| 07:30.32 | thunder1212 | smw, if three windows of libreoffice word or calc is open it is extremely difficult to switch quickly |
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| 07:31.20 | smw | thunder1212, I find it easy enough to do when I install native window placement and use the activities layover |
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| 07:32.35 | smw | themill, I am not sure why you have such hatred for what I am doing :-\ |
| 07:32.56 | Iridos | thunder1212, you're supposed to use the active corner for that! |
| 07:33.22 | smw | right, the active corner or the windows key shortcut |
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| 07:37.46 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 07:37.55 | ZenWalker | audacious on testing: |
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| 07:37.59 | ZenWalker | http://paste.debian.net/4693/ |
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| 07:38.46 | moof2 | trying to investigate a situation where /boot doesn't get mounted... it's in fstab using its uuid, and it does match the output of uuid (except, the fstab says ext2 and blkid says ext3) |
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| 07:40.16 | ZenWalker | (audacious 3.3.4) |
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| 07:42.46 | moof2 | I'm going to try replacing the fstab line with the /dev/thing rather than the uuid to see if it can boot and mount /boot |
| 07:45.19 | boudiccas | still banging on about /home/boztu/.Xauthority its owned by user foobar ../home/foobar/.Xauthority .. with read & write access, group is foobar, access none, others none access. This is exactly the same as for the last fortnight, I've just checked as I was going to restore from backup, no need as its exactly the same |
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| 07:58.06 | Iridos | judd, versions audacious-plugins |
| 07:58.07 | judd | Package: audacious-plugins on i386 -- squeeze: 2.3+dfsg-1+b1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 3.2.4-1; wheezy: 3.2.4-1; sid: 3.3.4-2 |
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| 07:58.33 | Iridos | judd, versions audacious |
| 07:58.34 | judd | Package: audacious on i386 -- squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2.4-1; jessie: 3.3.4-2; sid: 3.3.4-2 |
| 08:00.19 | w|t | judd, versions python |
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| 08:00.20 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4; jessie: 2.7.3-5; sid: 2.7.3-5; experimental: 2.7.3-13 |
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| 08:02.46 | Iridos | ops, he did say testing... and of course there the answer is "well it's testing" |
| 08:03.41 | Iridos | boudiccas, all those "Permission denied" are also very likely not owned by you |
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| 08:07.42 | antihero | hi, I have an issue |
| 08:07.48 | antihero | when X starts, GDM does not load |
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| 08:07.53 | antihero | it just does the clock cursor |
| 08:07.57 | moof2 | what is this dracut thing? |
| 08:07.58 | antihero | like, forever |
| 08:08.03 | antihero | how do I fix? |
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| 08:08.29 | moof2 | and why does it conflict with the package that has the update-initramfs tool? |
| 08:08.35 | antihero | it shows the NVIDIA screen then goes black |
| 08:08.57 | SatsueiGishi | dracut is update-initramfs |
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| 08:09.12 | SatsueiGishi | but its fedoras |
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| 08:09.18 | moof2 | so if I run dracut, it updates? |
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| 08:09.25 | SatsueiGishi | well that im not sure |
| 08:09.40 | SatsueiGishi | but dracut is fedoras tool for update-initramfs |
| 08:09.42 | moof2 | ok, appreciate the info |
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| 08:10.05 | SatsueiGishi | and redhats/centos/springdale |
| 08:10.31 | moof2 | would you have a guess as to why the debian tool was replaced? |
| 08:10.46 | antihero | no ideas? |
| 08:10.49 | antihero | :( |
| 08:10.52 | moof2 | well it is still in the archive |
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| 08:11.19 | moof2 | antihero, sounds like X is working... dunno about why gdm is not |
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| 08:12.17 | antihero | it worked for no apparent reason |
| 08:12.21 | antihero | after I updated kernel :S |
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| 08:13.32 | SatsueiGishi | i would not but to use dracut as it should work is to : "dracut -H --force kernel-version /boot/initramfs.img" -H makes sure to read your blacklists and force will overwrite the previous img and is this debian 7 as i have not tried it yet |
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| 08:18.47 | boudiccas | Iridos, okay, how do i change the permissions of a 'lot' of files please? [sorry for the delay, just eating breakfast] |
| 08:19.33 | nkuttler | boudiccas: find or chmod -R |
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| 08:19.41 | RandomSort | or with a wildcard |
| 08:19.46 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
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| 08:19.47 | nkuttler | or that |
| 08:19.53 | RandomSort | chmod +x *.sh or something |
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| 08:23.23 | ueb | hi everybody |
| 08:24.07 | ueb | I configured Exim4 as MTA |
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| 08:24.28 | ueb | with virtual domains/users |
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| 08:24.43 | ueb | Exim4 works properly for delivering emails, but it's not receiving anything.. |
| 08:24.54 | Iridos | boudiccas, you seem to want to change ownership, not permissions.... |
| 08:25.45 | Iridos | boudiccas, probably something like chown -R boztu /home/boztu |
| 08:26.18 | moof2 | ueb, how do you know exim is not receiving? |
| 08:26.51 | ueb | because I don't find any email on POP3 |
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| 08:27.24 | moof2 | ok, there's a lot of movin parts inbetween... what you know so far, is it's somewhere along that path |
| 08:28.25 | moof2 | are you typing on the machine that has the exim in question? |
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| 08:28.46 | ueb | typing? |
| 08:28.47 | boudiccas | ah thasnks Iridos |
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| 08:29.09 | moof2 | you just typed "typing?", |
| 08:29.17 | moof2 | on what machine did you type that? |
| 08:30.14 | moof2 | ok, the lack of response probably shows I'm not the person to help you |
| 08:30.26 | ueb | no |
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| 08:30.28 | ueb | excuse me |
| 08:30.33 | ueb | I don't unserstand.. :) |
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| 08:30.58 | moof2 | so you're on irc now... you just typed: "I don't understand" |
| 08:31.00 | moof2 | yes? |
| 08:31.07 | ueb | moof2: I'm now trying with telnet to check smtp |
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| 08:31.48 | ueb | moof2: sending email manually with telnet perhaps I can understand something more |
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| 08:32.38 | tharkun | ueb: is your mx record setup properly? |
| 08:32.38 | Iridos | ueb, you only said you configured exim for virtual users... you never said you configured a pop3-server for the same virtual users |
| 08:32.45 | sephii | hey there, i have a very strange issue: when I enter a chroot, I can't use the network anymore. Any idea why? Trying it on another computer works fine |
| 08:33.05 | ueb | Iridos, yes I configured Dovecot as POP3 server too |
| 08:33.07 | moof2 | I'm not getting details enough to even start thinking about this |
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| 08:33.57 | ueb | tharkun, yes I configured the MX record for pointing to my server IP |
| 08:34.20 | tharkun | ueb: show us some logs |
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| 08:34.36 | moof2 | there are already a lot of assumptions being thrown around right now, including... you have a static IP, you have a domain, your dns servers are configured properly |
| 08:34.41 | ueb | I'm trying this with telnet: |
| 08:35.12 | ueb | sending email from me@remote.com to me@local.com |
| 08:35.40 | jelly | gives ueb swaks to use instead of telnet |
| 08:35.44 | moof2 | and there's not much information about what happens when the machine receives an email to poke around at it to see what's going on |
| 08:36.27 | ueb | HELO local.com |
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| 08:36.49 | moof2 | that's sending tho, which you say works fine... (right?) |
| 08:37.23 | tharkun | ueb: do you have access to some other working email server? if so just try telnet your.server.example.com 25 if you get a prompt then the isue is not network related. |
| 08:37.58 | ueb | I'm trying to telnet from remote to my smtp server |
| 08:38.01 | tharkun | So far we have lots of wags and little facts |
| 08:38.09 | moof2 | yep |
| 08:38.25 | ueb | for trying sending an email from me@remote.com to me@local.com |
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| 08:39.14 | moof2 | ueb, now if you want, I can try to gather some information from you so that we're all on the same page on some of this... want me to do that? |
| 08:39.30 | ueb | this is what I'm doing and the resulting messages: |
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| 08:39.52 | tharkun | !paste |
| 08:39.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:39.55 | moof2 | I can't really proceed without knowing these things |
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| 08:40.04 | ueb | ok |
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| 08:41.19 | moof2 | was that an "ok" to me, saying you want me to try gathering some info from you? |
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| 08:42.39 | ueb | here is http://paste.debian.net/4712/ |
| 08:43.04 | ueb | moof2: ok you can ask me |
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| 08:43.49 | moof2 | ok, first give me a name (even make it up now) for the machine running the exim you're talking about |
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| 08:44.25 | moof2 | is the machine you're irc-ing from, different from that machine? or the same? |
| 08:44.38 | ueb | yes |
| 08:44.42 | ueb | it's another machine |
| 08:44.58 | moof2 | ok, give me its name or make one up for this conversation |
| 08:45.10 | ueb | on /var/log/mail.log I'm seeing no error |
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| 08:45.50 | ueb | moof2: excuse me but I cannot give server credentials |
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| 08:45.59 | moof2 | so... make one up |
| 08:46.05 | Armistice | How do I use apxs in debian ? (It apparently comes with Apache, but apxs is a command not found) |
| 08:46.10 | ueb | moof2: if you want to help me please tell me what should I check |
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| 08:46.26 | moof2 | I don't have any idea yet |
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| 08:48.57 | Iridos | ueb, well, look in /var/log/exim4 |
| 08:49.24 | ueb | ok |
| 08:50.00 | moof2 | ok, that's not quite true... with the information you've given so far, my answer is to check your dns to make sure it's function correctly, if you have MX records, make sure the point to the rigght machine, check all other points on the dns and on the domain (has the bill been paid?), then check the configuration and functionality of the mail server and the pop thing |
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| 08:50.26 | moof2 | in short... with the info you've given, I recommend checking absolutely everything |
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| 08:52.07 | ueb | here is what I get in rejestlog: |
| 08:52.07 | sparky4 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676485 |
| 08:52.08 | ueb | H=outrelay08.remote.com [212.52.84.112] F=<me@remote.com> temporarily rejected RCPT <me@local.com>: lowest numbered MX record points to local host |
| 08:52.10 | Iridos | checks for coffee in his cup and finds it empty |
| 08:52.11 | sparky4 | i got this bug |
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| 08:52.49 | sparky4 | except it is with open |
| 08:52.52 | sparky4 | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 08:52.56 | sparky4 | 5 jre |
| 08:53.00 | sparky4 | w |
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| 08:53.46 | ueb | should I list the domain in /etc/localdomains ? |
| 08:53.49 | Iridos | sparky4, well, the bug tells you how to work around it, too, so where's the problem? |
| 08:54.01 | Iridos | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 08:54.02 | dpkg | Try: (a) upgrade in 2 steps: apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade (b) apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 (c) add squeeze back into sources.list; apt-get update; try again. (d) apt-get install apt; try again (e) apt-get install badpackage; try again (f) apt-get remove badpackage; apt-get install badpackage; try again (g) dpkg -r --force-depends badpackage; apt-get -f install; try again. |
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| 08:54.05 | Iridos | this also does |
| 08:54.31 | sparky4 | Iridos: thank you |
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| 08:55.13 | sparky4 | yay |
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| 08:56.06 | colo-work | I just upgraded a machine running Apache Tomcat to Debian Wheezy, and now the HTTPS listener fails to properly initialize with "LifecycleException: Protocol handler initialization failed: java.lang.Exception: Invalid Server SSL Protocol (error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0))" - any pointers? |
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| 08:56.22 | ueb | should I list the domain in /etc/localdomains ? |
| 08:56.47 | ueb | or on /etc/localhost |
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| 08:57.23 | moof2 | is localdomains the file to put the domains that receive mail? |
| 08:57.52 | moof2 | and once you change that file and you want to apply the changes, restart the server |
| 08:58.16 | moof2 | then try the telnet test again |
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| 08:58.41 | moof2 | and before you do that, open another terminal and tail -f (the log file) |
| 08:58.52 | Iridos | ueb, http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=477 ? |
| 08:59.08 | moof2 | and watch that terminal while you try to send |
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| 08:59.41 | petemc | you can test exim with -bt |
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| 09:00.18 | moof2 | what does that do? |
| 09:00.26 | ueb | there's no /etc/virtual |
| 09:00.39 | ueb | no /etc/localdomains |
| 09:00.52 | ueb | and no /etc/localhost |
| 09:00.58 | ueb | I'm using Debian 6 |
| 09:01.10 | moof2 | there wouldn't be the latter, but there might be /etc/hosts |
| 09:01.23 | petemc | exim -bt foo@bar will tell you how exim would handle foo@bar, you can add -d for debugging |
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| 09:01.43 | sparky4 | 3 years since last update |
| 09:01.48 | ueb | petemc: ok |
| 09:01.49 | Armistice | I've instaleld Apache2.2 on Debian Wheezy. apxs should be included in Apache2.2, but it is not. Apparently it SHOULD of been included but debian screwed upw ith it. Can anyone assist me with this? |
| 09:02.14 | jelly | moof2: /etc/hosts is not relevant for MTA configuration and its deciding which adresses or domains are local, and which are not |
| 09:02.39 | ueb | jelly: what should I do then? |
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| 09:03.03 | moof2 | jelly, he mentioned /etc/localhost; should that file exist? |
| 09:03.12 | jelly | ueb: configure exim properly |
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| 09:03.26 | jelly | moof2: unlikely |
| 09:03.39 | moof2 | isn't there a textual UI for configging exim? |
| 09:04.06 | ueb | R: dnslookup_relay_to_domains for me@local.com LOG: MAIN lowest numbered MX record points to local host: local.com (while routing <me@local.com>) me@local.com cannot be resolved at this time: lowest numbered MX record p oints to local host |
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| 09:04.29 | jelly | moof2: as far as I remember, exim4-config is not an exhaustive tool, just a helper to get a starting point |
| 09:04.44 | Alina-malina | Hello all, i am configuring my debian+nginx+php+mysql webserver, everything is fine, but now i am conserned about security. I read some topics about necesserity of chrooting it, but i am not sure if it is the right choice for me, what security tips i should use to secure my webserver? I am using VPS for my website hosting. |
| 09:04.59 | moof2 | jelly, his mention of /etc/localhost is what prompted me to mention /etc/hosts... other than that, you're right... it's not directly relevent to configuring exim |
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| 09:06.10 | moof2 | Alina-malina another place you might find relevent info is #web |
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| 09:07.21 | ueb | perhaps I should add the domain on /etc/hosts |
| 09:08.09 | moof2 | that can make the lookup of that particular name faster, but it won't change how exim works at all |
| 09:08.42 | ueb | ok |
| 09:08.51 | ueb | moof2: then what could I do? |
| 09:08.52 | moof2 | and if this is a fairly big mail server, you're going to need to run a name server on it to make name lookups faster |
| 09:09.22 | moof2 | first, what exactly happened to break exim/ |
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| 09:09.26 | Alina-malina | moof2, they dont know and asking for sorry:) |
| 09:10.08 | jelly | ueb: stop messing with things blindly. Read the docs for your smtp server, and learn how to configure it to accept mail for a specific domain. |
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| 09:10.51 | jelly | ueb: there's an #exim channel that might be of help |
| 09:10.54 | moof2 | no problem :) I figured that channel might know references to texts on how to make lamp sites more secure |
| 09:11.22 | petemc | if you want local.com delivered locally, it should be in local_domains |
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| 09:11.25 | petemc | exim -bP +local_domains |
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| 09:30.31 | Alina-malina | Anyone have tutorials on how to setup chroot for webserver? |
| 09:31.08 | gokuls | hi i want to install debian on my galaxy tab 10.1 can anyone help me out |
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| 09:33.12 | CissWit | Alina-malina: you can have a look at the securing debian howto : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html |
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| 09:34.30 | CissWit | if you are not using apache, the principles will be the same, you will just have to find the libraries and binaries that you have to add to the chroot environment yourself or find a specific tutorial |
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| 09:35.56 | Iridos | I thought it's trivial to break out of a chroot anyway |
| 09:36.48 | gokuls | can someone help me guys |
| 09:36.53 | jelly | Iridos: if you have root, yes |
| 09:37.00 | CissWit | Iridos: it is only if you get root in the chroot environment |
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| 09:38.23 | CissWit | if the user that run the chrooted program has limited privilege, chroot still makes it more secure |
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| 09:38.31 | p3rror | hello |
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| 09:38.48 | p3rror | is there anyone that used mysql with brbd |
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| 09:39.22 | moof2 | not me, I like using postgres |
| 09:39.47 | p3rror | postgres is there any HA solution |
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| 09:40.42 | moof2 | I think so, if you want to know more about that, there are usually knowledgable people on #postgresql |
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| 09:42.45 | prem | how can i change desktop font size in debian wheezy |
| 09:43.06 | prem | even the gnome-twek-tool doent provide me anything to change the desktop font size / color |
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| 09:43.35 | subb1 | Hi debian. |
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| 09:44.25 | subb1 | I'm on debian 3.1 and I'd like to install python 2.6 on it. What is the best recommended way? Add source.list of squeeze? |
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| 09:45.10 | moof2 | 3.1 is pretty old :) |
| 09:45.35 | subb1 | yep right moof2. Any suggestions for the python? |
| 09:46.38 | CissWit | id just download the squeeze or wheezy python2.6 source package and compile it |
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| 09:46.48 | moof2 | you might have to build it |
| 09:47.00 | lxsameer | hi, does debian support armhf cortext 8a , a10 family ? |
| 09:47.03 | CissWit | if it doesn"t work, you check for outdated libraries, download sources and compile it, etc |
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| 09:47.50 | CissWit | and by the way, the recommended way is to upgrade to wheezy |
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| 09:49.04 | subb1 | thanks CissWit. So adding sources for squeeze to source.list just for python is not a good way? |
| 09:49.25 | CissWit | no, it will probably install many other newer lib that could screw your system |
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| 09:49.48 | subb1 | CissWit, rightly warned! thanks. |
| 09:50.02 | CissWit | if you have a test system, you can just try and revert if it breaks too many things |
| 09:50.20 | CissWit | but id really just download the source package and try to compile it, its much safer |
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| 09:51.20 | moof2 | if they're deb-src, that would be how you can get compilable source code; this may or may not work, and is considered much safer than just trying to fit binary executables that are from a later debian |
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| 09:51.37 | scx | could someone ping wammu.eu? |
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| 09:53.44 | subb1 | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-defaults_2.6.6-3+squeeze7.tar.gz |
| 09:54.10 | subb1 | So this is the package I presume right CissWit? |
| 09:54.26 | subb1 | sorry moof2, I couldn't get the issue you stated. |
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| 09:55.30 | CissWit | tell subb1 about deb-src |
| 09:55.44 | CissWit | !tell subb1 about deb-src |
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| 09:55.52 | CissWit | i never know how this work |
| 09:56.17 | babilen | Are you trying to backport a package? |
| 09:56.29 | CissWit | he's trying to make python2.6 work on debian 3.1 |
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| 09:56.39 | babilen | 3.1? |
| 09:56.55 | subb1 | 3.1 unfortunately yes. |
| 09:57.16 | jelly | subb1: forget about the package. Build from source into a separate prefix like /opt/python2.6 |
| 09:57.31 | babilen | That hasn't been supported in *ages* and really shouldn't be used anymore. I am speaking about at least six years here |
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| 09:58.33 | babilen | Either way, I would strongly recommend to not use the Debian package as that is quite likely to break something important. It is not that hard to build Python from source and install it in, say, /usr/local (best managed with stow (see "/msg dpkg stow usage"))) |
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| 09:59.18 | babilen | I would also recommend to remove /usr/local/bin/python so that it does not shadow the system's default python. It should be possible to run python2.6 directly by that name |
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| 10:01.32 | subb1 | thanks everyone. I'll do the manual compile and install into separate directory. Glad you guys warned about not using the the binary or modifying source.list.. |
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| 10:02.29 | babilen | subb1: You should consider doing something about that box. Sarge hasn't been supported in ages and you will have many many severe security holes on that box … |
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| 10:04.50 | subb1 | babilen: duly noted. its a local server that we have in office accessible only via vpn to outside network. |
| 10:05.06 | subb1 | mostly for our internal stuffs. |
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| 10:05.50 | babilen | There will also be many local exploits -- but meh, you are hopefully aware of that already |
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| 10:08.20 | subb1 | yea thanks babilen |
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| 10:37.24 | oo_miguel | I upgraded to wheezy and wine is now complaining about missing OpenGL. What do I need to install in order to make my nvidia card work again? |
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| 10:43.03 | babilen | oo_miguel: How did you install your nvidia drivers? |
| 10:43.15 | babilen | Oh, wine .. nvm |
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| 10:45.50 | babilen | oo_miguel: ping? |
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| 10:48.08 | leo_ | good morning guys :) |
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| 10:49.54 | oznt | hi everyone, I am trying to query openldap for the schema, but I am not getting any meaningful answer, can someone help me? |
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| 10:59.41 | ChrisH | oznt: not that I can help, but pastebin request and response to paste.debian.net might improve your chance to get an answer. |
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| 11:00.58 | babilen | oznt: Also tell us what "meaningful" means and why the answer you get isn't |
| 11:01.24 | lxsameer | hi, is there any channel for debian arm support ? |
| 11:01.32 | babilen | oznt: Please note that there is an #openldap channel that might be able to provide detailed help regarding OpenLDAP |
| 11:01.35 | babilen | lxsameer: yes |
| 11:01.43 | babilen | laughs |
| 11:01.43 | lxsameer | babilen: what is it? |
| 11:01.47 | ChrisH | LDAP and meaningful... well |
| 11:01.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell lxsameer about arm |
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| 11:02.07 | lxsameer | babilen: thanks |
| 11:02.18 | babilen | lxsameer: It's over at irc.oftc.net with all the other official channels |
| 11:02.19 | bin | Anyone familiar with a bug related to installing grub on MBR on SSD ? |
| 11:02.44 | lxsameer | babilen: thanks alot |
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| 11:03.29 | babilen | bin: Take a look at bugs.debian.org and in particular the bugs that have been filed against grub-pc -- I am sure you'll find more than one to tickle your interest. |
| 11:03.51 | bin | cheers matey |
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| 11:04.37 | babilen | bin: Or are you experiencing problems installing grub to your SSD and require help? |
| 11:04.59 | babilen | Not sure if you simply look for information on historical bugs or ^^^ |
| 11:05.11 | bin | here is the deal ... |
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| 11:07.23 | bin | I have HDD 500 GB SATA and also i have 120GB SSD .. i use the ssd for the installation. When i finish the install and "install" grub on MBR i restart. AFter restart i guess it search for any records in the HDD and can't find them. it is just waiting on boot and the console line just blink you know .. ( i m not good at explanations). I read there is a problem regarding installing grub on MBR on . |
| 11:07.29 | Dark_light | How could I use a bcm4312 straight from the installer ? I have only wifi aviable right now so it'd be tricky to download it later |
| 11:07.34 | bin | SSD and that's like impossible to operate in a normal way |
| 11:08.14 | babilen | bin: How did you install? Which image did you use? From which kind of medium did you install? |
| 11:08.47 | babilen | suspects unetbootin |
| 11:08.49 | bin | Debian 7 using DVD for AMD64 |
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| 11:09.04 | bin | now i installed crunchbang |
| 11:09.08 | bin | same sh.. |
| 11:09.09 | babilen | bin: Ah, and you burned that DVD to a blank and installed from there? |
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| 11:09.40 | bin | yeap only DVD 1/3 |
| 11:10.10 | somiaj | bin: are you sure grub was attmpted to be installed on the mbr of your ssd, or could it have been installed on your sata (or even usb) drive instead? |
| 11:10.12 | babilen | bin: Well, we only support Debian in here. If you want to use CrunchBang or require help with that you should ask in their channel. Which image (exactly!) did you use to install Debian? Any particular reason why you used the DVD image? Are you not connected to the internet? |
| 11:11.03 | babilen | bin: Two things you should check: 1. Make sure that grub is actually being installed to the SSD and not to the 500 GB disk and 2. You actually boot from the SSD |
| 11:11.32 | babilen | bin: We can talk you through the procedure to get this working on Debian, but that would require you to install Debian in the first place |
| 11:11.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell bin about crunchbang |
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| 11:11.47 | bin | 1. it's not possible being installed anywhere else pretty sure and 2. well even the boot order can't make to boot from ssd first |
| 11:12.11 | cusco | hey folks.. what would you reckon that would be the best way to find a country belonging to a IP ? |
| 11:12.21 | babilen | bin: I don't quite understand 2. -- Do you mean that you cannot change the boot order in such a way that you boot from the SSD? |
| 11:13.09 | somiaj | and if you cannot boot from your SSD, then you want to put grub on the mbr of the device you can boot from. Though I can't think of any bios that would have sucha restriction. |
| 11:13.19 | babilen | exactly |
| 11:13.24 | babilen | cusco: Look into GeoIP |
| 11:13.48 | babilen | cusco: Also: This is rather on-topic in ##networking (among other channels) |
| 11:13.51 | bin | in the bios i have only HDD0 : HItachi.. and USB HDD so i put USB HDD first but still |
| 11:14.01 | cusco | babilen: geoip uses information available in whois? or gathers its own sources? I would like a oficial method |
| 11:15.14 | babilen | bin: Well, if you cannot configure your computer to boot from the SSD you shouldn't install the bootloader to it. Install grub to HDD0 and boot from there or figure out a way to boot from your SSD. I would be pretty surprised if your BIOS does not actually allow you to configure that. but please, we do not support CruncBang in here, so install Debian and we can continue then,. |
| 11:16.39 | babilen | cusco: Please, take 15 seconds of your time and use an internet search engine of your choice to google "GeoIP" and also run "apt-cache search geoip" |
| 11:17.02 | babilen | ... search engine of your choice ... google .. hahaha |
| 11:17.04 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 11:17.29 | nkuttler | babilen: it's a verb nowadays, i've read it somewhere |
| 11:17.32 | bin | thnaks mateys |
| 11:17.34 | cusco | babilen: I did use geoip already, comes from maxmind right? I was wondering if IANA has a list of addresses/masks - country |
| 11:17.46 | cusco | or a oficial way to get this info not contacting a hwois server... |
| 11:18.33 | somiaj | cusco: "This database simply contains IP blocks as keys, and countries as values and it should be more complete and accurate than using reverse DNS lookups." -- sounds to me like it just has it's own database |
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| 11:18.38 | babilen | mumbles ##networking once again |
| 11:18.52 | babilen | And yes, it uses a database |
| 11:19.41 | babilen | But seriously, take a look at geoip-database in Debian and the other hits in "apt-cache search geoip" |
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| 11:19.51 | cusco | wanders off to the channel next door |
| 11:19.53 | cusco | sorry folks |
| 11:20.00 | cusco | babilen: I did and used it |
| 11:20.21 | cusco | this is not about making it work anymore, its about getting reliable data :P |
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| 11:28.55 | bin | babilen: success |
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| 11:29.13 | bin | i put the grub onto sdb (hdd) |
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| 11:29.37 | bin | just made 100mb partinion and installed it there |
| 11:30.27 | babilen | bin: So, you are running wheezy (Debian 7) now? |
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| 11:30.42 | bin | nope i stay with crunchbang :) |
| 11:30.55 | babilen | bin: You don't need a partition on the disk in order to install a boot loader into the MBR |
| 11:31.04 | babilen | bin: Then take it to #crunchbang please |
| 11:31.24 | bin | cheers anyways |
| 11:31.42 | babilen | scowls at you ... sighs, smiles sadly and waves |
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| 11:43.02 | drhouse123 | hi! can i build wine:i386 using multiarch on amd64 wheezy? |
| 11:43.21 | somiaj | drhouse123: I would suggest building it inside a chroot |
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| 11:43.58 | somiaj | drhouse123: libfoo-dev you can only have either the i386 version Xor the amd64 version installed. Makes ensuring your compile arch has the right libaries and causes conflicts |
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| 11:44.28 | somiaj | drhouse123: it is easier to use debootstrap (or pbuilder) to create an i386 root and build inside of it (then install the i386 binary you create in wheezy with multiarch) |
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| 11:45.36 | drhouse123 | somiaj: thanks :) pbuilder will be more safety |
| 11:46.04 | somiaj | drhouse123: yea I just prefer to build my own chroots and manage them |
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| 11:57.23 | somiaj | drhouse123: http://paste.debian.net/4744/ (some old notes I have for compling wine, again just do that inside an i386 chroot and update the version to 1.5 or whatever it is you want) |
| 11:58.25 | drhouse123 | somiaj: thank you very much, now i googled about configuring pbuilder :) |
| 11:59.34 | somiaj | I should update those for wheezy (and include building a chroot) |
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| 12:01.56 | Alina-malina | Hello all! I want to chroot my webserver i am going to configure on debian webserver, should i create some chrooted folder in root and install all packages like nginx, php5-fpm and mysql inside there? |
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| 12:02.52 | somiaj | Alina-malina: You know chroots aren't that secure, any local exploit and the attacker can break out from them |
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| 12:03.47 | somiaj | Alina-malina: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html |
| 12:04.14 | Alina-malina | somiaj, what i should use instead of chroot them? |
| 12:04.17 | Alina-malina | *then? |
| 12:05.04 | somiaj | Alina-malina: depends on your setup. That comment was more I do not think you get a large security gain from the hassel of building a chroot for apache (or webserver of choice) |
| 12:05.53 | somiaj | Alina-malina: VM's are quite popular. Does the machine you have apahce on just have lots of other users and data you want to keep apache away from? |
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| 12:06.06 | Alina-malina | somiaj, it is just a VPS |
| 12:06.23 | codekK | Hi all, if i convert my system to multiarch (amd64 and i386), can i have libraries problems? |
| 12:06.27 | somiaj | does the VPS do more than serve webpages with maybe a maleserver? |
| 12:06.43 | somiaj | codekK: debian wheezy? You should not have problems |
| 12:06.48 | codekK | unstable |
| 12:06.51 | codekK | sid* |
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| 12:07.10 | somiaj | codekK: yea wheezy onward, enabling multiarch works just fine. |
| 12:07.20 | Alina-malina | somiaj, it is a website that have a little bit of e-commerce login user system and images, thats it i think |
| 12:07.21 | somiaj | codekK: what do you mean by 'libary problems' |
| 12:07.39 | codekK | if i convert my system to multiarch, can i undo the changes after? |
| 12:08.00 | somiaj | Alina-malina: the idea is to just not have tons of stuff installed on the VPS, for the most part if the webserver and related things for it is all that is on the VPS I don't think a chroot increases security. |
| 12:08.04 | jhutchins_wk | If he's running unstable he can have all the library problems he wants! |
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| 12:08.07 | codekK | pf.. in my laptop i have problems with c++ libraries and i dont know if is because i use multiarch or other reason |
| 12:08.27 | somiaj | codekK: you can add and remove arches, though you may have to go though and uninstall all the i386 packages first |
| 12:08.40 | codekK | ok |
| 12:08.41 | codekK | thanks |
| 12:08.46 | Alina-malina | somiaj, so what do you recommend? |
| 12:09.40 | somiaj | Alina-malina: if you really want to build the chroot then follow that link I gave. I would just suggest keeping your VPS small and set it up only to serv webpages (don't have ftp on it, don't have lots of other unneeded services running on it) |
| 12:10.16 | somiaj | Alina-malina: also don't have shell users (beyond you) on it. |
| 12:10.59 | Alina-malina | somiaj, ok i will follow the linke thanks, like i said only running php website no ftp or other unnecessary things, just php5-fpm with libraries, mysql nginx and phpmyadmin(maybe) |
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| 12:11.45 | somiaj | Alina-malina: (:, just make sure it is debian stable and you keep your security up. Subscribe to the DSA and look for warnings about packages you use (so you know to upgrade them). |
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| 12:12.17 | somiaj | Alina-malina: again I don't think you get enough added secuirty for the hassel of setting up the chroot (provided you don't have a full server you really need to keep things sperate) |
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| 12:13.10 | Alina-malina | somiaj, ok thanks!! then i will not installl chroot:) |
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| 12:14.18 | somiaj | Alina-malina: yea just keep your install minimial, don't add shell users, and uneeded services. |
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| 12:17.11 | drhouse123 | somiaj: it is strange E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian.org/dists/wheezy/Release |
| 12:17.30 | drhouse123 | somiaj: E: debootstrap failed |
| 12:18.02 | somiaj | drhouse123: I have never used pbuilder, but I don't see why debootstrap is failing on that. |
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| 12:18.42 | Iridos | drhouse123, did you read the error message? |
| 12:19.05 | jelly | drhouse123: specify a local mirror |
| 12:19.17 | Iridos | that's not it! |
| 12:19.24 | Iridos | nobody tried visiting that link? |
| 12:19.42 | jelly | missing /debian is not important... |
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| 12:19.50 | Iridos | not? |
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| 12:20.20 | jelly | Iridos: as long as he's fixing the url, he might as well USE A LOCAL MIRROR |
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| 12:20.56 | ev1l1nt3nt | Hi |
| 12:21.09 | Iridos | but if he didn't manage to get this one right, he won't get it right with A LOCAL MIRROR either |
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| 12:23.26 | Alina-malina | somiaj, what about iptables? Shold it be configured as well for VPS? Or it is alraedy prefonfigured? |
| 12:23.38 | ev1l1nt3nt | Thought since I'm switching from windows to debian as my main os I would hang about here and pick your brains if you don't mind :-) |
| 12:24.24 | somiaj | Alina-malina: again depends on your setup. Since I already suggested you do not run any services you are not using. You should not have unwnated open ports to the real world. Now in the case you do, yes iptables helps |
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| 12:24.42 | somiaj | Alina-malina: though usually the routing/iptables is done on the network the VPS lives on and not the VPS itself |
| 12:25.23 | Alina-malina | somiaj, ok thank you so much dear somiaj you make my task alot easier, since i never did this before and i am a bit paranoiac regarding security. I will consider your advices!! |
| 12:26.17 | oo_miguel | I dont understand how to get my nvidia graphic card working on wheezy mulitarch: wine-bin:i386 suggestes libwine-gl. libwine-gl:i386 depents on libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1 (which is only provided by mesa). However I want to use libgl1-nvidia-glx instead, which will provide me with 3d acceleration right? |
| 12:26.21 | somiaj | Alina-malina: I would read around and listen to others. I'm just a hobbiest. (: |
| 12:27.15 | Alina-malina | somiaj, there are 1200+ poeple right now here, if noone said anything against what you did tell me then i think it does make sence for me to use:) |
| 12:28.11 | babilen | oo_miguel: You left earlier without answering my question (not sure why) -- but please install your nvidia drivers by following "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms", enable i386 and then install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 -- IIRC you also need libasound2:i386, but I don't use wine |
| 12:28.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell oo_miguel -about multiarch |
| 12:28.35 | oo_miguel | babilen: sorry I have been restarting, maybe I missed your question |
| 12:29.22 | oo_miguel | babilen: thanks a lot I will try this |
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| 12:40.39 | ev1l1nt3nt | I'm kinda new to Linux sorry |
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| 12:41.13 | abrotman | OpenTokix: the installation manual doesn't cover this? |
| 12:41.28 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I havent found it anyway |
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| 12:41.50 | abrotman | it's in the appendix last i checked |
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| 12:43.16 | OpenTokix | abrotman: that dont work |
| 12:43.28 | OpenTokix | abrotman: it only selects it, but you have to press "enter" for it to continue |
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| 12:49.04 | abrotman | ah .. |
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| 12:49.11 | abrotman | OpenTokix: ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
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| 12:49.33 | OpenTokix | ok, thanks |
| 12:50.04 | ChrisH | "upgrading" from unstable to jessie |
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| 12:50.45 | jhutchins_wk | Raining from Toronto to herring. |
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| 12:58.43 | oo_miguel | I managed to get OpenGL and 3D Acceleration working in wine, on my wheezy multiarch, thanks babilen ! |
| 12:58.53 | oo_miguel | However something bad happened to my fonts |
| 12:59.09 | oo_miguel | the vertical spacing is very big, and so they often do not fit in the windows |
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| 12:59.22 | oo_miguel | I think I deinstalled something accidentally, like qt or something? |
| 12:59.37 | oo_miguel | because this used to work fine before I thing |
| 12:59.39 | oo_miguel | think |
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| 12:59.59 | babilen | oo_miguel: So, what did you do before it changed? |
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| 13:00.11 | oo_miguel | I would love to remember :P |
| 13:00.16 | babilen | heh |
| 13:00.39 | oo_miguel | I deinstalled and installed packages :) |
| 13:00.48 | boudiccas | how do i transfer files from user 'foo' to a usb h/d for user 'foobar' please? |
| 13:01.02 | babilen | oo_miguel: Okay, did you use aptitude or apt-get to do that? |
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| 13:01.09 | oo_miguel | aptitude |
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| 13:01.16 | boudiccas | every time i've tried its failed due to permissions |
| 13:01.54 | babilen | oo_miguel: Could you paste /var/log/aptitude to http://paste.debian.net please? Also: Did you follow my earlier advice to install the nvidia drivers and the two i386 packages? Did you remove or install anyhting else after that? |
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| 13:03.34 | oo_miguel | babilen: I followed your advice and installed libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 and tried to install some fontpackages after that.. but this did not help |
| 13:03.42 | oo_miguel | I will paste the log , hold on |
| 13:04.04 | babilen | Did not help with what? Running wine? |
| 13:04.28 | babilen | Yeah, show us some real data. I don't like guessing :) |
| 13:04.31 | oo_miguel | Your advice helped me a lot, but my further actions did not fix the problem with the fonts |
| 13:04.57 | boudiccas | can i make user 'boudiccas' join user 'boztu' group so thjat boudiccas has access to all of boztu's files? is that feasible please? |
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| 13:05.04 | oo_miguel | http://paste.debian.net/4756/ |
| 13:05.24 | babilen | boudiccas: users can be in multiple groups, yes |
| 13:05.58 | babilen | boudiccas: I wouldn't recommend to have more than one user in a primary user group (assuming "boztu" is the group of user "boztu") |
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| 13:06.18 | boudiccas | babilen, thanks, in that case how do i join 'boudiccas' to user group 'boztu' please? |
| 13:06.20 | oo_miguel | babilen: unofrtunatelly it just holds information since my last reboot ... because I have my /var/log on some tmpfs :( |
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| 13:06.34 | ChrisH | boudiccas: vi /etc/group and relogin |
| 13:06.36 | OndraSter__ | hello :) |
| 13:07.00 | OndraSter__ | (I hope it won't result in a flamewar) what smtp & pop3/imap combo do you use? |
| 13:07.12 | boudiccas | babilen, yes, boztu is the sole occupant of user group 'boztu' but i want boudiccas to have access to all boztu's files without permission problems constantly cropping up |
| 13:07.38 | OndraSter__ | I remember using dovecot and postfix... (or exim + postfix?) few years ago on gentoo, but.. that was years ago |
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| 13:09.29 | ChrisH | OndraSter__: I use exim4, cyrus IMAPD and no POP3 daemon. But what is your question? |
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| 13:10.19 | freax | I've still got the hots for Potato |
| 13:10.24 | OndraSter__ | ChrisH, exactly that (which one do you use) |
| 13:10.27 | freax | Hot Potato Hot Potato |
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| 13:10.29 | OndraSter__ | I pretty much require the smallest RAM footprint |
| 13:10.36 | Camber | hi all, quick question for you. during apt-get upgrade, it's given me a caution message for mysql stating incompatible changes (it appears to be just a regular notification, not a warning of something that has happened), it ends with "(END)" how do I continue with the upgrade? |
| 13:10.53 | gry | what is an easy way to install firefox 12.x without manual compiling alongside the latest version from the repos? |
| 13:11.11 | johnd1 | if I have a desktop program (Deluge) how do I locate its exe? (I am trying to get Iceweasel to use Deluge not Vuze) |
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| 13:11.19 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell OndraSter__ about poll |
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| 13:11.26 | johnfg_ | hi folks |
| 13:11.30 | freax | hi |
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| 13:11.47 | surfn_ | hi |
| 13:11.52 | pithagorians | is there any way for cron jobs to take effect without restarting cron service? |
| 13:11.53 | freax | hi |
| 13:11.54 | johnfg_ | Just installed wheezy with gnome3. Coming from squeeze. |
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| 13:12.07 | surfn_ | I have an overscan problem (or maybe underscan) |
| 13:12.20 | ChrisH | pithagorians: crontab -e is expected to get active immeidate |
| 13:12.26 | johnfg_ | I've got some ports that are not open, although I haven't installed any firewall yet. |
| 13:12.31 | surfn_ | I can solve it with "xrandr ...." but I don't know how to make it permanent |
| 13:12.37 | boudiccas | what would be the effect if i put 'boudiccas' at the end of this line form /etc/group ..boztu:x:1000: .. please? |
| 13:12.39 | OndraSter__ | ChrisH, ok, "what pop3/imap and smtp combo has the smallest RAM footprint" :) |
| 13:12.45 | johnfg_ | Is there a default somewhere that I'm missing? |
| 13:12.47 | OndraSter__ | and is available through gentoo's apt of course |
| 13:12.50 | OndraSter__ | err |
| 13:12.51 | jonkri | i 32-bit binary file which could run on debian 6 does not run on wheezy; "No such file or directory". ldd on the file says "not a dynamic executable". any ideas? |
| 13:12.51 | OndraSter__ | debian's apt* |
| 13:13.37 | surfn_ | the suggestion I found was "/usr/share/config/kdm/Xsetup" but I'm using lightdm |
| 13:13.42 | freax | jonkri: is it set to be excutable? |
| 13:13.52 | surfn_ | ... I don't know if that would be the right place either... |
| 13:14.05 | jonkri | freax: yes, thanks |
| 13:14.26 | oo_miguel | babilen: did you have a look at the log? however I think it is not really helpful :( |
| 13:14.26 | surfn_ | or rather... right place ANYWAY |
| 13:14.31 | johnfg_ | With kerberos, openldap, openafs and openvpn to get configured and going, I need lots of ports open that aren't. |
| 13:14.35 | surfn_ | even if it did exist |
| 13:14.51 | johnfg_ | On squeeze, I've got the modem/router taking care of it. |
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| 13:15.38 | jonkri | do i need the i386 version of ldd or what? :) |
| 13:15.50 | pithagorians | ChrisH: actually it doesn't |
| 13:15.52 | freax | mmm 386, drool |
| 13:16.12 | Camber | how do i continue with apt-get upgrade after an interrupting message appears? |
| 13:16.30 | babilen | oo_miguel: yeah, I agree .. looks as if you aimlessly installed and removed semi-random packages :) -- Maybe running "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" might change something. I'd recommend to choose "Autohinter", "Automatic" (or "Always", but not "Never"), "No" |
| 13:16.30 | pithagorians | at least, i can't see the command i setup into the new cron job |
| 13:16.32 | ChrisH | OndraSter__: I assume you need to figure that out yourself. I choose the applications from the way they fit my needs and the ease of configuration. |
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| 13:16.35 | boudiccas | Camber, press ENTER |
| 13:16.45 | OndraSter__ | ChrisH, I see, thanks |
| 13:16.47 | OndraSter__ | bb |
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| 13:16.55 | surfn_ | what is xrandr? |
| 13:17.02 | surfn_ | like should I be using it? |
| 13:17.07 | Camber | boudiccas: Pressing enter does nothing. The last line is (END) |
| 13:17.25 | babilen | oo_miguel: In the end you installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer -- That might have changed some font settings and I personally don't use it. It shouldn't mess up your system though. Did you reboot in the interim? |
| 13:17.25 | boudiccas | Camber, okay, try :wq |
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| 13:17.47 | johnfg_ | surfn_: If you've installed it, just run it bare, and it will return what modes your monitor is capable of. |
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| 13:18.14 | Ghormoon | hi, any idea what's wrong on this line in sudoers? %sudo localhost = /usr/sbin/etherwake even when user is in sudo group, it says he can't sudo ... |
| 13:18.15 | ChrisH | pithagorians: man crontab reads as follows: After you exit from |
| 13:18.22 | Camber | boudiccas: I think that did it, thanks :) What does wq stand for? |
| 13:18.27 | ChrisH | pithagorians: man crontab reads as follows: After you exit from the editor, the modified crontab will be installed automatically. |
| 13:18.34 | surfn_ | johnfg_: I have an underscan issue - which I can fix with the line "xrandr --output HDMI-1 --set underscan on &" |
| 13:18.35 | johnfg_ | It's not that you need it, necessarily. And after you see what's available, with current marked with an asterisk, you can set it to one of the other available modes. |
| 13:18.44 | boudiccas | Camber, its 'vim'-speak, other than that i dont know |
| 13:18.48 | oo_miguel | babilen: no . I did not reboot yet |
| 13:18.50 | btorch | hi anyone here has deian on r720 with LSI SAS1068E PCI-Express Fusion-MPT HBA ? |
| 13:18.56 | babilen | oo_miguel: Did you restart Xorg? |
| 13:19.01 | oo_miguel | I did not |
| 13:19.04 | oo_miguel | babilen |
| 13:19.05 | zykotick9 | Camber: boudiccas: write / quit |
| 13:19.08 | surfn_ | johnfg_: so when I type that in terminal, I can see my whole desktop - I just want to make it permanent |
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| 13:19.19 | oo_miguel | babilen: should I try a restart /reboot? |
| 13:19.22 | johnfg_ | wq = write the file, quit vim. |
| 13:19.24 | ChrisH | pithagorians: check /var/log/daemon* for errors. It worked for me allways on all Unix'ish platforms I tried it. |
| 13:19.34 | Camber | Ok thanks guys :) |
| 13:19.38 | babilen | oo_miguel: I'd recommend to reboot .. that will at least give the system a chance to load the currently installed modules and font configuration. If the issue persists we can take it from there. |
| 13:19.43 | btorch | for some reason none of the tools I used lsiutil, mpt-status, omsa tools .. none can find the hba .. debian sees it just fine though and drives are availale but I can't manage them unless I go into the hba bios |
| 13:19.51 | oo_miguel | babilen: thank you so much |
| 13:20.00 | babilen | np |
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| 13:20.32 | jonkri | what's the equivalent of installing ia32-libs in wheezy? |
| 13:20.45 | boudiccas | what would be the effect if i put 'boudiccas' at the end of this line form /etc/group ..boztu:x:1000: .. please? |
| 13:20.51 | ChrisH | pithagorians: http://paste.debian.net/4760/ |
| 13:20.51 | btorch | that is for wheezy btw |
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| 13:21.08 | babilen | jonkri: Installing the libraries directly via multiarch. See "/msg dpkg multiarch" and in particular the HowTo linked therein for information |
| 13:21.10 | ddssc | when running apt-get install apgdiff I get http://pastebin.com/mGybh2sE . how should I proceed? |
| 13:21.57 | jonkri | thanks babilen |
| 13:21.58 | babilen | jonkri: Please also notice that ia32-libs currently simply depends on the actual i386 libraries (lots of them) and you can still install that package if you don't mind installing lots of stuff you probably don't need. |
| 13:22.14 | jonkri | great |
| 13:22.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell ddssc -about bat |
| 13:22.32 | surfn_ | is being patient |
| 13:22.34 | babilen | ddssc: Please paste the information the bot requested to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:23.29 | Moogle | Good morning fellow Linux users! Today is a wonderful friday as I rot here in my chair drinking a hot cup of coffee |
| 13:23.29 | freax | is being vintage |
| 13:23.30 | babilen | jonkri: You have to enable i386 *before* installing ia32-libs though. I'd read the multiarch howto and take it from there ... What are you trying to achieve in the end? There might be a better way to achieve that. |
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| 13:23.40 | freax | Good Morning! |
| 13:23.45 | ddssc | babilen, debian paste is not opening ... pastebin is owrking fine |
| 13:23.49 | babilen | Moogle: doesn't sound too bad ;) -- what can we help you with? |
| 13:24.02 | ddssc | ok opened now |
| 13:24.05 | babilen | ddssc: Working just fine here |
| 13:24.08 | jonkri | babilen: i have an old proprietary binary file that wont run without these libs :P |
| 13:24.11 | freax | Moogle: I am sitting here with the heater on, drinking water and sucking all of the salts off of a packet of Arnotts Shapes |
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| 13:24.32 | freax | Moogle: and glaring over my server in sweden |
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| 13:24.47 | freax | Bahnhoff ftw! |
| 13:25.04 | Moogle | babilen: still learning the curves of linux, drinking coffee at the moment, about to move some hardware before I get to jump back in |
| 13:25.05 | freax | -f |
| 13:25.31 | jonkri | babilen: it works now :) |
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| 13:25.42 | babilen | Moogle: Alright, you might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/ and join #debian-offtopic for chatting :) |
| 13:25.56 | babilen | jonkri: wodnerful, enjoy! |
| 13:26.00 | babilen | *wonderful |
| 13:26.02 | freax | all that she wants, is another cron job |
| 13:26.12 | babilen | freax: Can we help you with something? |
| 13:26.14 | ddssc | slow as hell tho |
| 13:26.14 | ddssc | meiwww |
| 13:26.14 | ddssc | babilen, Internal server error. can you have a look at my pastebin plz? http://pastebin.com/mGybh2sE |
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| 13:26.27 | Moogle | freax: I could ask why Sweden, or I can assume why it is at Sweden :-p |
| 13:26.45 | freax | babilen: nope not right now, tho maybe someday, is it okay to chill in here until something breaks? :) |
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| 13:26.56 | Moogle | babilen: thanks for the handbook site, that will be handy, I will hit the wonderful world of offtopicness |
| 13:27.14 | babilen | freax: Sure, but please join and chat in #debian-offtopic. This is a technical support channel. |
| 13:27.15 | ddssc | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/4762/ |
| 13:27.40 | babilen | ddssc: Yes, I've seen that. Take a look at the message the bot sent you and provide the additional information it requested. |
| 13:27.51 | jhutchins_wk | 00000.0. |
| 13:27.54 | freax | babilen: Ok sweet, I was gonna beg to stay in here, but seeing as there is an alternative for me and I need to learn about debian more anyway, I'll just stay here and not talk here and join there and talk endlessly. |
| 13:27.56 | babilen | ddssc: Or didn't you receive the private message from it? (dpkg is its name) |
| 13:27.58 | johnfg_ | So, I see some kerberos ports in /etc/services, but they don't show up as open from the Applications/System Tools/Administration/Network Tools/Port Scan |
| 13:28.20 | ddssc | babilen, I don't understand that message |
| 13:28.28 | babilen | freax: Sounds like a plan, just keep it professional and focused in here. Thanks. |
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| 13:28.44 | freax | salutes |
| 13:28.46 | johnfg_ | Since the modem/router and debian firewall can interfere with each other, how can I get those ports open? |
| 13:29.14 | babilen | ddssc: Ah, okay .. :) -- Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy apgdiff linux-server" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:31.41 | iskywalker | Hi! |
| 13:31.56 | iskywalker | I want to move from opensuse to debian, which would be the easiest way to do that? |
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| 13:32.15 | iskywalker | I do not have any pen drives or cds, only network access... |
| 13:32.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell iskywalker -about install debian |
| 13:32.51 | babilen | iskywalker: Installing from the network is discussed in the installation guide ... Let me dig up the link. |
| 13:33.16 | johnfg_ | Any ideas on my question? |
| 13:33.23 | ddssc | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/4763/ |
| 13:33.27 | babilen | iskywalker: See http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s05.html.en |
| 13:33.37 | surfn_ | how do I make xrandr changes permanent? |
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| 13:34.11 | babilen | iskywalker: It might be easier to acquire blank CDs or a USB stick though if you don't have a DHCP server in place already. |
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| 13:34.48 | babilen | ddssc: That is Ubuntu not Debian -- You definitely want to ask about your problem in #ubuntu and not here. We only support pure Debian for a number of social and technical reasons. |
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| 13:35.55 | iskywalker | I installed once gentoo "on the fly" with chrootdir or something like it, is there any way to to it? |
| 13:35.57 | oo_miguel | babilen: oh, the restart fixed all my problems! My dreams came true. Wine works now perfectly on my new multiarch system. thank you! |
| 13:36.19 | babilen | oo_miguel: You are most welcome -- Enjoy! |
| 13:36.23 | ChrisH | How do I get the installation source for an installed package? While "upgrading" from unstable to JEssie I have some conflicts and assume its caused by debian-multimedia. |
| 13:36.24 | iskywalker | I mean download minimal system, chrootdir to it, why old system, put new system reboot, ready |
| 13:36.35 | ev1l1nt3nt | What's a multiarch system? |
| 13:36.37 | iskywalker | why-> remove |
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| 13:36.38 | babilen | iskywalker: Yes, you can do that too. |
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| 13:36.40 | iskywalker | wipe out |
| 13:36.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell iskywalker -about debootstrap |
| 13:37.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell ChrisH about which repository |
| 13:37.12 | babilen | hmm, that's not it |
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| 13:37.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell ChrisH about which repo |
| 13:37.34 | babilen | lazy people *sigh* |
| 13:38.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell ev1l1nt3nt -about multiarch |
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| 13:38.31 | ev1l1nt3nt | Thanks |
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| 13:39.15 | ChrisH | babilen: I did an apt-cache policy PACKAGE. It only showed me its installed :) but in /var/lib/dpkg/status I found my assumption proved. |
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| 13:40.00 | ddssc | I tried installing default-jre-headless but I'm getting Depends: java-common but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:40.00 | ddssc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.24 | babilen | ddssc: You want #ubuntu not Debian -- You are not using Debian |
| 13:40.45 | babilen | not #debian that is :) (you might want to run Debian) |
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| 13:41.15 | franco00 | Hello debian people: I want to send a translation revision to a i18n debian mailing list. I made this with 'diff'. Is there a way to intersperse comments in such file without breaking it? (i.e. putting comments in and still making it useful to use with `patch`) |
| 13:41.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell ChrisH -about dmm list |
| 13:41.32 | babilen | ChrisH: Would that help? |
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| 13:42.13 | babilen | franco00: I'd recommend to discuss it with them. I wouldn't change the diff, but simply provide comments out of band. (e.g. in the mail body) |
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| 13:43.52 | ddssc | c'mon ubuntu is debian :F |
| 13:43.52 | ddssc | and #ubuntu is dead |
| 13:44.15 | gry | !ubuntu |
| 13:44.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 13:44.17 | babilen | ddssc: No, Ubuntu is not Debian and you want #ubuntu -- Seriously, drop it. |
| 13:44.27 | krababbel | Hi, I need to install a test server, which may have to compile some services like apache from sources. Should I create a separate partition /usr/local or /opt or both, or is that not a good idea at all? |
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| 13:44.35 | johnfg_ | Ok, I figured it out from a google search. I just had to turn off iptables. From where I got help: # Some Linux distros like Debian do not have /etc/init.d/iptables stop script |
| 13:44.49 | ChrisH | babilen: jep. that might have worked. but view /var/lib/dpkg/status was fine, too. Upgrade finished now. |
| 13:44.52 | franco00 | thanks babilen , will do that |
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| 13:44.54 | johnfg_ | Which would have been nice. |
| 13:45.14 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg_: Do you have an iptables process running that needs to be stopped? |
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| 13:45.54 | babilen | johnfg_: No, if you think about it it is not that nice at all. We typically recommend to tie the loading of firewall rules to the activation of certain interfaces. See http://wiki.debian.org/iptables for information about that |
| 13:46.01 | johnfg_ | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, it was by default. |
| 13:46.10 | babilen | johnfg_: There is also iptables-persistent in the Debian archive, but I'd recommend to other approach. |
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| 13:46.46 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg_: That's interesting. I've never seen an ongoing iptables process in linux. |
| 13:47.16 | johnfg_ | babilen: ok, I'll check that out. Once I turned them off, I could krb5-rsh into this machine. |
| 13:47.22 | johnfg_ | Where I couldn't prior. |
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| 13:47.40 | babilen | johnfg_: If you block traffic that you don't want to block you do have a problem, yes ;) |
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| 13:48.41 | johnfg_ | babilen: I'm not specifically blocking anything on this new install, it was done at original install (I guess), plus, maybe when I did the kerberos install, it added to /etc/services. |
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| 13:50.06 | babilen | johnfg_: New installations won't block any traffic. |
| 13:50.13 | babilen | (or have iptables installed) |
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| 13:50.37 | boudiccas | why doesnt this work please? ..'sudo chmod -R /media/truecrypt1' |
| 13:51.09 | franco00 | what error does it give you, boudiccas ? |
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| 13:51.30 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: You did not specify a mode to change it to. |
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| 13:52.05 | franco00 | should be ... chmod -R someuser somefolder iirc |
| 13:52.19 | jhutchins_wk | franco00: No, if it were a user it would be chown |
| 13:52.20 | boudiccas | franco00, chmod: missing operand after ‘/media/truecrypt1’ Try 'chmod --help' for more information. |
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| 13:52.34 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: What is your objective? |
| 13:52.36 | johnfg_ | babilen: Then how did I get iptables, I wonder. I did a graphical install from the wheezy #1 install dvd, and that was it. |
| 13:52.37 | franco00 | woops, yes, sorry jhutchins_wk |
| 13:52.47 | babilen | krababbel: You could, it really depends on your storage setup and your needs. I'd definitely recommend to use LVM and volume groups for that .. This will make it much easier to change the size of those volume groups later. This is, in particular, true if you don't assign all space in the volume group right away |
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| 13:53.06 | boudiccas | i'm trying to change the ownership of /all/ the files in /media/truecrypt1, maybe i should be suing somethign differetn? |
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| 13:53.22 | boudiccas | using |
| 13:53.25 | ChrisH | linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64:i386 What is the idea behind a 32bit package of a 64bit kernel? |
| 13:53.31 | babilen | johnfg_: What does "aptitude why iptables" give you? |
| 13:53.45 | jelly | ChrisH: not having to enable multiarch |
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| 13:54.35 | babilen | johnfg_: But even if it is installed, it won't have any specific rules. It was, most likely, pulled in via network-manager. "iptables -L" should list that all traffic is accepted though (on all three default chains) |
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| 13:54.44 | johnfg_ | babilen: Good call. First off, never run aptitude with why before, that's kinda cool. |
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| 13:55.01 | johnfg_ | network manager is the culprit, and blame gnome for it. |
| 13:55.27 | johnfg_ | I do not have/use/need it any longer, because it's not smart enough for my setup :-) |
| 13:55.29 | babilen | johnfg_: Still, installing iptables on its own doesn't configure it to block any traffic. |
| 13:55.39 | krababbel | babilen: OK thanks, I did start configuring LVM for this too. |
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| 13:56.15 | babilen | krababbel: Any particular reason why you have to compile all those (large) packages/services yourself? |
| 13:56.32 | johnfg_ | babilen: Well, the setup that was with the network manager install, didn't allow what I needed for kerberos. |
| 13:56.35 | ChrisH | jelly: but I only see this linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64:i386 with multiarch enabled. If running that kernel, do I still have the 64bit options like bigmem but 32bit clients are still happy? Cannot believe that currently. |
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| 13:57.46 | jelly | ChrisH: it's useful in an i386 arch setup. If you're using amd64, you already have that kernel. |
| 13:57.52 | krababbel | babilen: It is an assignment for school. We need to install the latest versions of apache for example. I see it is provided in experimantal, and if we can find precompiled packages from a repository, we do not have to compile them ourself. |
| 13:58.41 | krababbel | babilen: I started installing stable now, as it is fairly new, but I am not sure how installing those newer packages will work out. :) |
| 13:58.46 | babilen | krababbel: You can backport 2.4 from experimental I believe ... |
| 13:58.47 | jelly | ChrisH: now that there's multiarch, that kernel build is somewhat redundant |
| 13:58.50 | johnfg_ | I gotta go back to squeeze for a bit, ttyl (in a few...). |
| 13:59.00 | krababbel | babilen: I forgot backports, thanks |
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| 13:59.09 | babilen | judd: checkbackport apache2-server --fromrelease=experimental |
| 13:59.10 | judd | No package named 'apache2-server' was found in experimental/i386. |
| 13:59.19 | jhutchins_wk | krababbel: You might want to consider a distribution that supports more current versions if that's a requirement. |
| 13:59.29 | babilen | judd: checkbackport apache2 --fromrelease=experimental |
| 13:59.31 | judd | Backporting package apache2 in experimental→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 13:59.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell krababbel -about ssb |
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| 14:00.34 | krababbel | jhutchins_wk: OK, if I can find all packages in backports, I will try them first. |
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| 14:00.44 | babilen | krababbel: You might want to give that a try. That certainly makes it easier than compiling it completely from source and you still get the nice Debian integration -- You might also want to kindly ask daemonkeeper for advice on how to get this rolling |
| 14:00.53 | babilen | daemonkeeper: forgive me ;) |
| 14:01.14 | babilen | krababbel: No, you can create the backports yourself. They are not yet in backports. |
| 14:01.35 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Don't advise people to backport Apache 2.4 to 2.2 for wheezy. That ends badly. |
| 14:01.50 | babilen | daemonkeeper: ack, I hoped that you have something to say about that. |
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| 14:01.56 | krababbel | babilen: I see, that was the src-bit. |
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| 14:02.21 | daemonkeeper | babilen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=661958 - see these blocked bugs? They all stop working when you install Apache 2.4 on Wheezy. |
| 14:02.29 | babilen | krababbel: yeah, but see daemonkeeper's comment on the issue, backporting 2.4 to wheezy will apparently end badly ^^^^ |
| 14:02.45 | babilen | daemonkeeper: ouch |
| 14:02.49 | babilen | OUCH! |
| 14:02.55 | krababbel | Well I may just try installing testing or sid then? :) |
| 14:02.55 | daemonkeeper | Apache 2.4 can be backported just fine. That's not the problem, but nobody is going to use Apache all alone. |
| 14:03.14 | daemonkeeper | And ALL third party modules break (PHP5 ....), ALL web apps break ... |
| 14:03.18 | krababbel | It is more about configuring the services actually. |
| 14:03.38 | namoamitabuddha | How many archive sites are suggested to be inserted in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 14:03.41 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Well, it looks as if krababbel has an assignment and they have been asked to install the "latest" version of apache .... typical homework nonsense :) |
| 14:04.27 | Quix86 | Debian 7 doesn't seem to work with my audio card (CS4281). I've tried multiple players and checked volume, alsa is correctly set up and everything is turned up |
| 14:04.32 | Quix86 | I've done a dmesg | grep CS4281 and deb6 has an extra line saying: |
| 14:04.33 | babilen | krababbel: I'd stick with the version that comes with the release you use. If you *really* have to use 2.4 then find a distribution that ships it already in its stable release. |
| 14:04.34 | krababbel | babilen: Yes, it is supposed to be more secure, oh well. :) |
| 14:04.35 | Quix86 | PCI INT A -> Link[LINKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ11 |
| 14:04.46 | daemonkeeper | (eg. Fedora) |
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| 14:05.07 | krababbel | Will do that then. Thank you a lot. |
| 14:05.34 | Quix86 | what version does deb6 use? |
| 14:05.49 | babilen | krababbel: I would argue that compiling things yourself, fiddling newer versions into a distribution that does not support it and having to take care of *everything* is more insecure than an older version that is still maintained by both upstream and the distribution you use |
| 14:06.01 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Quix86 about alsa checklist |
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| 14:06.11 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86: You might need to disable/remove pulseaudio. |
| 14:06.14 | namoamitabuddha | Is wheezy-proposed-updates necessary? |
| 14:06.29 | babilen | namoamitabuddha: necessary for what? |
| 14:06.31 | krababbel | babilen: Yes, that was my initial though also. But it is a main requriement to use apache 2.4 for example. |
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| 14:06.45 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions apache |
| 14:06.46 | namoamitabuddha | babilen: normal usage. |
| 14:06.47 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in i386. |
| 14:06.51 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions apache2 |
| 14:06.52 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; jessie: 2.2.22-13; sid: 2.2.22-13; wheezy: 2.2.22-13; experimental: 2.4.4-2 |
| 14:06.54 | babilen | krababbel: Well, if that is the requirement then use a distribution that supports that requirement. |
| 14:07.01 | Quix86 | jhutchins_wk, wouldn't it give some error if pulse was still installed? |
| 14:07.01 | babilen | namoamitabuddha: No, it is not. |
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| 14:07.06 | krababbel | babilen: will do :) |
| 14:07.18 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86: Not a useful one. |
| 14:07.30 | Quix86 | I'm getting -no- error |
| 14:07.43 | daemonkeeper | Having + experimental works for Apache 2.4. Same for backporting. But you need to be aware this breaks all third party reverse depndencies. |
| 14:07.49 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86: See the message from dpkg regarding alsa. |
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| 14:08.17 | krababbel | daemonkeeper: Thanks, yes, I will need those also, PHP etc. |
| 14:08.24 | babilen | krababbel: And tell your teacher that requiring this is insane ... I mean, feel free to use Debian and compile it yourself if you want to gather experience with Debian (you are more than welcome to), but this isn't the brightest of ideas. |
| 14:08.28 | daemonkeeper | PHP5 is available in experimental too. |
| 14:08.34 | daemonkeeper | But that's about it. |
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| 14:09.21 | daemonkeeper | krababbel: Don't know what your exact homework is, but tell your teacher "daemonkeeper - the Debian Apache maintainer - said to me, installing Apache 2.4 on Wheezy is utterly stupid" |
| 14:09.23 | babilen | krababbel: There are probably few distributions that ship and support 2.4 now ... |
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| 14:10.10 | krababbel | babilen: I will ask him about it for sure. :) OK, I will see if everything I need is in experimental, and give it a try too. Will do daemonkeeper. :) |
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| 14:10.35 | daemonkeeper | can write krababbel an excuse for not doing his homework :p |
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| 14:11.22 | AsTRiD^ | all the poeple her using rasbarry-pi? |
| 14:11.29 | krababbel | Yes, it is weird, I mean I'd get it if compiling from source was a requrement at least. |
| 14:11.30 | AsTRiD^ | berry |
| 14:11.30 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Thanks for the comments -- I had the feeling that backporting apache 2.4 might not be the best of ideas and wanted to ask ... good that the maintainer is around :) |
| 14:11.32 | slooth | Hello, I am using Wheezy and my wine is 1.4.1. Anyway to upgrade safely? Thanks |
| 14:11.44 | Quix86 | jhutchins_wk, define <oss4> packages |
| 14:11.49 | babilen | slooth: Upgrade to what? |
| 14:11.52 | HyperGlide | Hello is "dpkg --configure -a" a valid command to trouble shoot a failed install for a package? |
| 14:12.04 | daemonkeeper | krababbel: Still breaks your entire enviroment. The problem is not related to the packaging. |
| 14:12.41 | babilen | HyperGlide: It's one of many commands that might make sense in certain situations, yes. If you want better help paste the output of that "failed installation" to http://paste.debian.net along with your sources.list and command. |
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| 14:12.48 | mumpitzel | HyperGlide: it's not to troubleshoot but to retry it |
| 14:12.52 | krababbel | daemonkeeper: I see, I wasn't even thinking about using that thing then :) |
| 14:13.07 | AsTRiD^ | is there a irc client voor raspberry? |
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| 14:13.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell AsTRiD^ -about raspberry pi |
| 14:13.44 | Quix86 | AsTRiD^, irssi |
| 14:14.04 | babilen | AsTRiD^: You probably also use raspbian and should therefore ask in #raspbian |
| 14:14.17 | HyperGlide | mumpitzel: thanks. it was suggest to run it. i was running a script to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy and when installing PHP-FPM 5.3.25 it crashed and php is not running |
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| 14:15.11 | AsTRiD^ | ow oke |
| 14:15.16 | AsTRiD^ | i will |
| 14:15.34 | HyperGlide | mumpitzel: can this be caused by a bad build? or change the repos? |
| 14:16.06 | Asenar | Hi, can you help me to support all unicode characters ? in particular I cannot see theses chars http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5437674/what-utf-8-symbol-is-a-good-mark-of-time |
| 14:16.15 | Asenar | I probably have a package to install or something |
| 14:16.45 | babilen | HyperGlide: Seriously, there is not much we can do without seeing any output. "dpkg --configure -a" simply continues the configuration of pending packages. If that is what you need the command will help, but it won't fix everything. |
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| 14:17.16 | justmmt | hi ! |
| 14:17.26 | jelly | Asenar: get the Symbola font from http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/, unzip the contents into ~/.fonts/ |
| 14:17.35 | slooth | How do I find the ./configure line used in some .deb package when it was compiled? |
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| 14:17.58 | Quix86 | Debian 7 doesn't seem to work with my audio card (CS4281). I've tried multiple players and checked volume, alsa is correctly set up and everything is turned up |
| 14:18.02 | Quix86 | I've done a dmesg | grep CS4281 and deb6 has an extra line saying: |
| 14:18.05 | Quix86 | PCI INT A -> Link[LINKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ11 |
| 14:18.22 | babilen | slooth: Take a look at the debian/rules file in the source package |
| 14:18.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell slooth -about deb-src |
| 14:18.31 | slooth | babilen, thanks |
| 14:18.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell slooth -about package recompile |
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| 14:18.43 | Asenar | wow thanks you very much jelly !!!!! |
| 14:18.54 | Asenar | I did it by thinking that will not works |
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| 14:19.16 | HyperGlide | babilen: log can be seen here - if you can look at it please -- http://pastebin.com/n3G1Lvtm |
| 14:19.19 | Asenar | but it is, instantantly ! |
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| 14:19.29 | ogny | sorry |
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| 14:20.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell HyperGlide -about pastebin.com |
| 14:21.26 | daemonkeeper | krababbel: Here. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5e2f744b/. Bring this as an excuse to your teacher. It's even signed, and if your teacher is halfway smart, he can verify the signature against http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apache2/news/20130309T030333Z.html. :p |
| 14:21.59 | HyperGlide | babilen: thanks! http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6af77346/ |
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| 14:23.07 | jimcooncat | I was trying to get help in here this morning from home, and it seemed that only a few people could see what I was entering. I also saw a #debian-flood or something like that in the topic. What was going on? |
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| 14:24.01 | babilen | HyperGlide: Is that what happens if you install the redis-server package on Debian? Or what is that? It looks like something that compiles PHP5-FPM and some random script at that .. Could you provide more context and let us know how exactly that relates to Debian or our packages? |
| 14:24.14 | babilen | HyperGlide: Do you have php5-fpm installed? What about redis-server? |
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| 14:26.10 | babilen | HyperGlide: I am also confused because it claims to install PHP 5.3.25 while wheezy ships PHP 5.4 |
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| 14:26.27 | HyperGlide | babilen: the script is to help manage a drupal web server - looking at $dpkg -l i can see php5-* but no php5-fpm. |
| 14:26.34 | krababbel | daemonkeeper: Oh, thanks, but it was not required to use Debian. I am sorry, if you misunderstood. I will at least show him your link about the blocking bugs for wheezy for sure. :) |
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| 14:26.44 | HyperGlide | babilen: can 5.3.25 run on wheezy? |
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| 14:27.21 | HyperGlide | babilen: redis-server is listed in dpkg -l |
| 14:27.28 | ueb | hi everybody |
| 14:27.37 | Quix86 | Hi dr. nick! |
| 14:27.40 | babilen | HyperGlide: Which version of Debian do you use? Why do you compile PHP by hand? I have the impression that you are not using Debian packages at all, but some in-house system to do whatever :-/ |
| 14:27.41 | ueb | I'm fighting for days with Exim4 |
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| 14:27.57 | babilen | ueb: Didn't we recommend postfix some days ago? |
| 14:28.04 | ueb | I'm trying to configure it with virtual domains/users and mysql |
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| 14:28.30 | ueb | babilen: exim is debian's default :) |
| 14:28.36 | babilen | I know |
| 14:29.00 | namoamitabuddha | babilen: I see some *important* in debian-reference, but some of them are obsolete. |
| 14:29.01 | ueb | babilen: if I'll not be able to configure it, I'll change it for postfix.. |
| 14:29.04 | krababbel | daemonkeeper: I just wanted to use Debian, since that's what I am using at home. |
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| 14:29.27 | ueb | should I set aliases for virtual users ? |
| 14:29.51 | ueb | there's something wrong I cannot understand |
| 14:29.54 | babilen | namoamitabuddha: You can use it if you want to, but it is not important to do that. A reasonable sources.list for wheezy is http://paste.debian.net/4771/ |
| 14:30.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell namoamitabuddha about wheezy-proposed-updates |
| 14:30.04 | HyperGlide | the server stated with stock Squeeze and had the http://drupal.org/project/barracuda scripts to set up the web server. using the script we ugpraded to Wheezy |
| 14:30.07 | Quix86 | anyone? |
| 14:30.18 | addaitech | what can I use to force my users to use more secure passwords? |
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| 14:30.32 | babilen | HyperGlide: I am afraid that we cannot support that ... |
| 14:30.44 | ueb | I get: cannot be resolved at this time: remote host address is the local host |
| 14:31.16 | HyperGlide | babilen: gotya. can you say if 5.3.25 run on wheezy? |
| 14:31.26 | ueb | I get that if I make an alias for me@local.com to root |
| 14:31.30 | namoamitabuddha | babilen: It seems that the bot doesn't work. In debian-reference, it's said that *Updates for the next stable point release (optional) * |
| 14:31.56 | babilen | HyperGlide: I wouldn't rely on it, but I am not that familiar with PHP. In fact I would be surprised if it does. |
| 14:32.14 | ueb | if I remove this alias I get: me@local.com is undeliverable: Unrouteable address |
| 14:32.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell namoamitabuddha -about stable-proposed-updates |
| 14:32.32 | babilen | namoamitabuddha: yes, it is optional .. you can use it, but you don't have to. |
| 14:32.39 | ueb | info in "root"? no (end of list). mail4root router skipped: local_parts mismatch |
| 14:32.46 | babilen | namoamitabuddha: It is definitely not the "default" configuration. |
| 14:32.50 | HyperGlide | babilen: can i downgrade back to squeeze |
| 14:32.51 | ueb | me in "root"? no (end of list). mail4root router skipped: local_parts mismatch |
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| 14:33.25 | babilen | HyperGlide: Downgrades are not supported, no. In particular not between major releases. |
| 14:33.27 | namoamitabuddha | babilen: What about the difference between http://security.debian.org and http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian-security? The latter one is faster. |
| 14:33.39 | ueb | should I make an alias with a real system user for each email address hosted ? |
| 14:33.52 | HyperGlide | babilen: -( |
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| 14:34.28 | babilen | namoamitabuddha: security.debian.org should get you a nearby mirror (dns aliases) |
| 14:34.41 | ueb | please help me |
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| 14:35.00 | ueb | I cannot find an answer for configuring Exim properly |
| 14:35.36 | babilen | HyperGlide: The problem is that you use a script that, obviously, doesn't really work on Debian. It seems to compile versions of software locally that are shipped in a different version in Debian .. Maybe the Drupal people can support that setup? (it is their software after all) |
| 14:35.49 | babilen | HyperGlide: I can tell you that wheezy ships with PHP 5.4 and Drupal7 |
| 14:35.51 | namoamitabuddha | babilen: Ah, but I'm using the Google DNS. |
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| 14:36.05 | ueb | I followed tutorials.. it works for sending emails to remote emailboxes |
| 14:36.13 | HyperGlide | babilen: i am asking fr help there as well. no reply yet. |
| 14:36.23 | ueb | but Exim it's not working for sending to local hosted domains |
| 14:36.23 | HyperGlide | babilen: and webserver is offline |
| 14:36.41 | babilen | ueb: There is an #exim channel. |
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| 14:37.00 | ueb | babilen: really? I try it immediatly :) |
| 14:37.01 | babilen | HyperGlide: You mean drupal.org is offline? |
| 14:37.13 | HyperGlide | babilen: no my site that I manage on this server |
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| 14:37.56 | justmmt | hello ! |
| 14:38.01 | justmmt | I want to install firefox but first I have to uninstall iceweasel and it shows me : http://paste.debian.net/4776/ |
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| 14:38.52 | justmmt | is it a good idea to remove those packges!! |
| 14:38.56 | namoamitabuddha | justmmt: Is iceweasel bad? |
| 14:39.00 | justmmt | ? |
| 14:39.04 | babilen | HyperGlide: Okay, so you rely on the availability of Drupal6 (last I heard Drupal7 wasn't compatible, but no expert in Drupal) and PHP 5.3? You installed that software using the barracuda script, which we cannot support, and this script upgraded your box from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 14:39.24 | HyperGlide | babilen: yes... |
| 14:39.34 | babilen | HyperGlide: So, in particular, you didn't follow http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html to upgrade your box from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 14:39.49 | justmmt | namoamitabuddha: I want to code with jquery and it seems that my iceweasel doesn't support it :( |
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| 14:40.36 | babilen | HyperGlide: Okay ... that sounds .. well .. suboptimal. I have no idea how to help you as you are not running a supported configuration in any way. Your best bet would be to ask the people who wrote that barracuda script, but they might not know anything about Debian. |
| 14:41.29 | HyperGlide | babilen: they know and can help fix. but not able to get them yet. i am trying to 5.4 in the settings file to see if that helps. running the script again |
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| 14:41.43 | babilen | HyperGlide: My advice would be: If you rely on the availability of Drupal6 and PHP 5.3 use squeeze and stay with that. You'll get security support from Debian for roughly a year in which you can plan a migration path to a supported setup with wheezy. Squeeze does, however, not come with php5-fpm last time I checked. |
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| 14:41.55 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 14:42.34 | HyperGlide | babilen: it is a live and running d7 site... now i am screwed as no way to go back. so perhaps i need to set up a new box and recover the site. |
| 14:42.36 | babilen | HyperGlide: Please realise that the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy is a bit involved and that you really should follow the release notes and not use some random script ... |
| 14:42.37 | HyperGlide | not certain yet. |
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| 14:42.51 | babilen | HyperGlide: so, you need php 5.3 and drupal7 ? |
| 14:42.52 | HyperGlide | babilen: thanks |
| 14:43.21 | lancelot_of | randomly my wheezy system freezes, only mouse pointer being able to move but with no effects and i must force shutdown. On reboot it seems to me to be no error in old logs exept from this: http://paste.debian.net/4777/ what's going wrong? |
| 14:43.27 | babilen | HyperGlide: Can you deploy that site on the drupal7 that is packaged in Debian? That way it might be easier to simply install wheezy, run "apt-get install drupal7" and take it from there? |
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| 14:44.39 | babilen | HyperGlide: The drupal7 that we package seems to work fine with PHP 5.4 ... Would it, mayhaps, make sense to deploy on that platform rather than using that barracuda script? |
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| 14:45.01 | justmmt | ?? |
| 14:45.01 | justmmt | One question: what will happen if I uninstall gnome, and gnome-core |
| 14:45.28 | babilen | You end up with a system that does not have gnome and gnome-core installed |
| 14:45.55 | babilen | (you will, most likely, uninstall gnome and other packages that were installed as part of the "gnome" desktop) |
| 14:46.27 | babilen | justmmt: For more detailed information run "aptitude -s remove gnome gnome-core" |
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| 14:46.36 | namoamitabuddha | I have no gnome. |
| 14:47.10 | Trae32566-NE | justmmt, psh, GUI is for babies! |
| 14:47.12 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
| 14:47.34 | namoamitabuddha | I have GUI. |
| 14:49.05 | justmmt | firefox has to get those packages uninstalled to be installed, and I think it will replace them by task-gnome-desktop, and task-desktop |
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| 14:49.23 | Trae32566-NE | o.O |
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| 14:49.41 | Trae32566-NE | did you just say Firefox is requiring you to uninstall gnome and gnome-core.. |
| 14:49.42 | Trae32566-NE | ? |
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| 14:50.28 | justmmt | Trae32566-NE: yes |
| 14:50.30 | apm1 | does the debian project have a plan to support bumblebee ? |
| 14:50.46 | Trae32566-NE | justmmt, why do you need firefox in particular |
| 14:50.47 | babilen | justmmt: firefox is not packaged for Debian (we ship "iceweasel") -- what exactly are you doing? what do you want to achieve and what happens instead? Could you paste relevant output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:50.54 | Trae32566-NE | sudo apt-get install iceweasel |
| 14:51.02 | apm1 | steve macintyre came to the rescue when it became absolutely necessary to support efi |
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| 14:51.26 | apm1 | anything similar for bumblebee and multi gpu setups ? |
| 14:51.47 | Alasdairrr | Hi there - in /etc/network/interfaces, what's the difference between "post-up" lines and "up" lines? are the up lines run after the interface is brought up, and the "post-up" lines run after the up lines have run? |
| 14:51.56 | babilen | ah, well .. enough of this |
| 14:51.59 | justmmt | Trae32566-NE, babilen: I want to play with jquery and it seems that iceweasel doesn't support it :( |
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| 14:52.04 | Trae32566-NE | uh |
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| 14:52.19 | darsie | It seems "PackageKit" wants my root password. Is that safe? http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/Screenshot%20from%202013-05-17%2016:43:47.png |
| 14:52.23 | justmmt | :( |
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| 14:52.40 | Trae32566-NE | jquery is just javascript...are you saying javascript isn't working? |
| 14:52.42 | nully | Alasdairrr: `man interfaces' |
| 14:52.52 | Alasdairrr | thanks nully |
| 14:52.53 | babilen | justmmt: iceweasel *is* firefox .. you can get newer versions from http://mozilla.debian.net -- if you don't want to remove gnome then don't remove it. You could consider installing a smaller metapackage (see "/msg dpkg install gnome" for an overview) |
| 14:52.59 | babilen | justmmt: I am running now, good luck! |
| 14:53.02 | nully | np |
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| 14:53.16 | Trae32566-NE | justmmt, http://jquery.com/ |
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| 14:53.34 | justmmt | js is working but some actions couldn't be done |
| 14:53.39 | Alasdairrr | nully: "up" has no comment associated with it, does that mean it's the same as "post-up"? |
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| 14:53.56 | Trae32566-NE | jquery is a javascript lib, meaning that if jquery doesn't work, javascript itself is probably broken in some wayh |
| 14:54.01 | initself | 3~/win 11 |
| 14:54.16 | nully | And if iceweasel crashes all day long for you (like it does for me in stable/testing/or sid), then: apt-get install midori (yay less crasshy) |
| 14:54.25 | Trae32566-NE | O.O |
| 14:54.30 | Trae32566-NE | I've never had it crash on me |
| 14:54.33 | nully | Alasdairrr: i think up is supposed to be the command you use to bring the interface up with (like a custom script) |
| 14:54.42 | nully | I dont really use up, but i have had need for pre-up and post-up before. |
| 14:54.46 | Trae32566-NE | and I'm a software engineer, so I try to break it :D |
| 14:54.53 | nully | I'm pretty sure up just lets you override ifup, but i might be wrong. |
| 14:54.59 | justmmt | :D |
| 14:54.59 | justmmt | Trae32566-NE: maybe I have to install some plugins in my iceweasel!?? |
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| 14:55.19 | Trae32566-NE | not for javascript. For java, sure, but not javascript |
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| 14:55.30 | babilen | justmmt: iceweasel in Debian support JS just fine ... |
| 14:55.41 | Trae32566-NE | also, shame on you! Always test in multiple browsers |
| 14:55.45 | nully | Remeber kids, things like adblockplus are now debian pacakges, dont try to install the one from `firefox extentions' website, it wont work. |
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| 14:56.08 | Trae32566-NE | I have: Chrome, Iceweasel, Opera, and a few others |
| 14:56.11 | justmmt | Trae32566-NE: aaarff |
| 14:56.42 | justmmt | ok, |
| 14:56.46 | Trae32566-NE | I test mainly in chrome. It's much nicer for development (in terms of tools and ease of use) |
| 14:57.05 | Trae32566-NE | Opera is cool, but it seems crazy slow |
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| 14:57.18 | namoamitabuddha | Opera is non-free. |
| 14:57.25 | Trae32566-NE | so is Chrome. |
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| 14:57.35 | Trae32566-NE | (yes, Chrome, not Chromium) |
| 14:57.43 | justmmt | Trae32566-NE: if I uninstall gnome and gnome-core, will my nautilus work? |
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| 14:58.14 | Trae32566-NE | in short, No. lol |
| 14:58.20 | justmmt | mmmh, I will take a look in chrome! |
| 14:58.46 | justmmt | just shell |
| 14:58.47 | justmmt | so, no nautilus, |
| 14:58.47 | Trae32566-NE | you uninstall those and you're gonna have a bad time. Unlesss you have a good knowledge of the terminal, and are comfortable with it |
| 14:59.08 | Trae32566-NE | yeah, if you wanna see what its like without those packages, hit ctrl-alt-F1 :) |
| 14:59.10 | Quix86 | I use aurora |
| 14:59.15 | Quix86 | third party cookie blocking |
| 14:59.18 | Trae32566-NE | also |
| 14:59.24 | Trae32566-NE | ctrl-alt-f7 to get back |
| 14:59.30 | Trae32566-NE | (you'll see what I mean) |
| 14:59.44 | Trae32566-NE | >.> hope I didn't send that too late |
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| 15:00.23 | Alasdairrr | nully: okay, i'll use post-up instead of up |
| 15:00.34 | justmmt | Trae32566-NE: I have a little knowledge about shell, but.... |
| 15:00.36 | nully | Sounds like the way to do it. |
| 15:00.38 | Trae32566-NE | btw, is it just me, or are there issues with bonds being brought up on system start |
| 15:00.43 | justmmt | I think I will try to uninstall them and install them after if I have problems :D |
| 15:00.44 | Alasdairrr | thanks again :-) |
| 15:00.47 | Bronze | Trae32566-NE: Good knowledge of the :"Terminal" means knowing what ANSI escape sequences to use to modify the location of the cursor, or change what is displayed on the terminal. I think you mean good knowledge of the shell, presumably bash |
| 15:01.06 | nully | Aka *sh-fu |
| 15:01.11 | Bronze | Trae32566-NE: I'm only mentioning this because I saw someone actually not get a job because they used the word terminal this way in an interview. |
| 15:01.25 | Trae32566-NE | wow...that company must be evil. |
| 15:01.34 | Bronze | When you use the word terminal, and actually mean the shell, it makes you look very very ignorant. |
| 15:01.50 | nully | ++bronze |
| 15:01.52 | Trae32566-NE | eh..that's a bit extreme though. |
| 15:02.03 | Trae32566-NE | <.< that bothers me...decrement behind dammit! |
| 15:02.08 | Trae32566-NE | *increment |
| 15:02.08 | Bronze | I've only seen people using the word terminal to mean the shell in the past year. And I probably wouldn't hire them either. It implies a level of misunderstanding about your tools that is too risky for me to want to have him on my team. |
| 15:02.13 | darsie | What are "chunks of the logical extents" in http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/mapmode.html ? |
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| 15:02.15 | nully | I wouldnt hire them either, and if anyone related to them was working for me, i'd fire them too: Stupid can run in the family :( |
| 15:02.37 | justmmt | so I meant bash. X) |
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| 15:02.43 | Bronze | What's really weird about it is that it seems like everyone who uses the word terminal to mean the shell is coming from Macintoshs |
| 15:02.54 | Trae32566-NE | I' |
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| 15:03.17 | Bronze | and that's really scary because it means they think that the thing they click on the screen is actually what they are interacting with. |
| 15:03.38 | Trae32566-NE | *I'm coming from Windows, awhile ago, and the reason I do it on occasion is that I have to force myself to not say 'Command Prompt' :| |
| 15:03.40 | Bronze | Which implies a total lack of understanding of how a GUI system is built. |
| 15:04.08 | Trae32566-NE | Bronze, you're overthinking it |
| 15:04.16 | Bronze | Trae32566-NE: I would actually prefer command prompt to "terminal" because that's actually closer. In *NIX the command prompt happens within the shell. |
| 15:04.25 | jelly | Bronze: layers upon layers of needless cruft! |
| 15:04.32 | Trae32566-NE | remember that assumption is the seed of deception |
| 15:04.43 | Bronze | Trae32566-NE: in 1987, when I worked on the port of X Windows to the Apollo system's I was not overthinking it. :-) |
| 15:05.00 | jelly | there were less layers then |
| 15:05.03 | Trae32566-NE | I'm just saying, when something is implied, don't take it for granted. |
| 15:05.22 | Bronze | Trae32566-NE: but that's just what using the word terminal to mean shell, does |
| 15:05.38 | Trae32566-NE | there are cases where implications don't hold true |
| 15:05.52 | OpenTokix | I use the black box with text in, to do stuff |
| 15:05.55 | Bronze | it takes the shelf for granted, and frankly most people who use the word terminal, don't understand that the shell exists. And that's why you don't want to use the word terminal. It's going to misrepresent your knowledge to the people you are speaking to |
| 15:06.03 | oo_miguel | very strange.. My alsa(?) sound works when I start a game in wine, but does *NOT* when I try to play a mp3 file with mplayer... Any suggestions what I might be doing wrong |
| 15:06.03 | Trae32566-NE | my point is that you shouldn't make assumptions about someone simply based on what could be a typo or miscommunication |
| 15:06.03 | Bronze | OpenTokix: me too! :) |
| 15:06.14 | jelly | darsie: each LV has one of more segments of contiguous extents |
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| 15:06.54 | Trae32566-NE | ooooo..IPv6 |
| 15:07.01 | Trae32566-NE | pretty! :D |
| 15:07.04 | Bronze | Trae32566-NE: communication of what you actually mean is the the most important thing that happens between two technical people. If you're going to use word A to mean word B, other technical people are not going to understand what you're talking about. And if you do it during an interview, it's going to have a harmful impact |
| 15:07.06 | darsie | jelly: Are LEs split into "chunks"? |
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| 15:07.21 | jelly | darsie: a LV sized 8 extents might have 3 allocated from PV "a", starting at extent offset N, and 5 allocated from PV "b", starting at offset M |
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| 15:07.41 | Trae32566-NE | Bronze: I'm a developer, I would rather write you a python script to show you what I mean :) |
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| 15:08.14 | lancelot_of | no answers for me? |
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| 15:08.31 | darsie | jelly What does "1st chunk of LE[1] -> PV1[1]," mean? |
| 15:08.35 | OpenTokix | Halluja, my preseed is working |
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| 15:08.57 | jimcooncat | OpenTokix: Congrats, I luv preseed |
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| 15:09.04 | OpenTokix | jimcooncat: it is awesome |
| 15:09.18 | OpenTokix | jimcooncat: had to remake it for debian 7, some minor changes |
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| 15:10.33 | Trae32566-NE | writes a script in XBasic and hands it to Bronze. Have fun, this will take you awhile xD |
| 15:10.39 | jelly | darsie: oh, sorry, this is about striping onto different PVs. I'm not sure how exactly that works, but apparently those chunks have an equal number of extents, and each following chunk points to a different PV |
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| 15:11.21 | OpenTokix | oh, what is the question - I have done some lvm-striping |
| 15:11.35 | OpenTokix | Led to a world of hurt - since you cant resize it easily later =) |
| 15:12.16 | jelly | lancelot_of: you seem to have some issues with the Xorg driver, but it's hard to say whether that's causing your symptoms |
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| 15:12.34 | jelly | darsie: might want to ask in #lvm |
| 15:12.40 | lancelot_of | jelly, so what to do? |
| 15:12.45 | darsie | jelly: good idea :). thx |
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| 15:13.03 | jelly | lancelot_of: does the machine answer pings when that happens? |
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| 15:14.21 | enigmuriatic | why are there three disk images for a live dvd? |
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| 15:14.48 | lancelot_of | jelly, no it's completely freezed, i cannot see anything apart from mouse pointer and distorted windows and dunno if any command takes place |
| 15:14.51 | jimcooncat | I got upset when recent squeeze kernel update messed up my keyboard/mouse. I'll just upgrade, but can I avoid this in the future? Can I set up wheezy so I can fall back to a previous kernel when I upgrade again? |
| 15:15.16 | jelly | lancelot_of: and when you ping it from another machine on the same local network it doesn't answer? |
| 15:15.19 | jimcooncat | that is, can I always have my previous kernel available in grub? |
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| 15:15.29 | Trae32566-NE | jimcooncat, yes |
| 15:15.46 | Trae32566-NE | IIRC that's actually the default for a lot of distros is to leave at least one older kernel in GRUB |
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| 15:16.14 | Trae32566-NE | not sure how, but it's possible for sure |
| 15:16.15 | jimcooncat | Trae32566-NE: yes, apparently it wasn't so in squeeze, which I didn't realize until yesterday |
| 15:16.32 | Trae32566-NE | I don't think it is in wheezy either now that I think about it |
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| 15:17.33 | lancelot_of | jelly, dunno i couldn't try |
| 15:18.44 | jelly | lancelot_of: it's possible that just X has got confused, so the machine didn't really hang. I guess you'll have to report a bug on xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 15:19.53 | lancelot_of | jelly, howto? |
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| 15:21.35 | jhutchins_wk | I'm not sure if it's the actual kernel that's updated, or if it's things like scripts and drivers, but Debian is not as rigorous about always adding rather than updating kernel packages. |
| 15:22.47 | jelly | lancelot_of: hm. There's the "reportbug" tool. |
| 15:23.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell lancelot_of about reportbug |
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| 15:24.55 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:24.56 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; jessie: 2:2.19.0-6; sid: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; experimental: 2:2.20.14-1 |
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| 15:26.34 | jhutchins_wk | lancelot_of: Is this a laptop? Do you know which Intel chipset? |
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| 15:31.54 | lancelot_of | jhutchins_wk, lenovo x220 with Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 15:32.15 | jelly | hm, that's not overly new |
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| 15:33.56 | jelly | [ 38.786] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile (GT2+) |
| 15:33.56 | jelly | [ 38.786] (--) intel(0): Chipset: "Sandybridge Mobile (GT2+)" |
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| 15:34.27 | rndnick04319 | i see really bad write performance / stalls due to flush on ext4 using barriers=0,commit=6000 using debian wheezy kernel 3.2.41-2, any hints/tips? |
| 15:34.50 | jelly | rndnick04319: wth did you do commit=6000? |
| 15:34.59 | anddam | is there a Debian policy about permissions in /etc/defaults/* ? |
| 15:35.16 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i don't want flushs |
| 15:35.19 | jimcooncat | So how can I keep a fall-back kernel? |
| 15:35.20 | anddam | mldonkey config is 600 while every other file is 644 |
| 15:35.59 | rndnick04319 | jelly: in this scenario i only care about performance / data loss in case of power failure would be ok |
| 15:36.00 | jelly | rndnick04319: they're going to happen sooner or later; why are you trying to avoid them? |
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| 15:36.20 | rndnick04319 | jelly: because they stall everthing |
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| 15:37.00 | jelly | rndnick04319: that's really rather circular. Would you be happy with writeouts working but no obvious stalling? |
| 15:37.07 | cheetahw26 | I built a custom wifi driver module which works if I run insmod /<mydir>/mymod.ko ,however I can't remember how to go about loading this at boot time |
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| 15:37.27 | DammitJim | is there such a thing as clustering laptops to have 1 powerful system? |
| 15:37.30 | rndnick04319 | jelly: ideally the writes would happen in the background |
| 15:37.45 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i don't reach the available bandwidth |
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| 15:38.02 | jelly | rndnick04319: what was the observed state before you started messing with mount options? What kind of storage backend do you have? |
| 15:38.12 | rndnick04319 | jelly: the task is cpu limited => i want all cpus maxed out |
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| 15:38.39 | jelly | rndnick04319: also, how much ram do you have? |
| 15:38.44 | rndnick04319 | jelly: 64GB ram |
| 15:39.00 | rndnick04319 | jelly: ext4 on lvm on md raid on sata |
| 15:39.27 | rndnick04319 | jelly: with ext4 defaults it was worse / stalls every few seconds |
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| 15:39.51 | jelly | rndnick04319: md raid level what? |
| 15:40.03 | rndnick04319 | jelly: mirror / raid1 that was? |
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| 15:41.04 | jelly | rndnick04319: pastebin the output of "grep . /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler" and "grep . /proc/sys/vm/*" |
| 15:41.35 | rndnick04319 | jelly: ah i tried chaning from cfq to deadline, didn't help |
| 15:41.40 | rndnick04319 | +g |
| 15:42.02 | jelly | rndnick04319: needs to be done on the md array device. |
| 15:42.40 | rndnick04319 | jelly: hm strange, for the md device scheduler is none |
| 15:42.45 | zach242 | Anyone know how to resolve this MySQL upgrade issue when migrating from Squeeze to Wheezy? Even a reboot didn't work |
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| 15:43.03 | somiaj | zach242: what issue? Did you see if there was any info in the release notes? |
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| 15:43.14 | rndnick04319 | jelly: ah yes, i did change it on the devices not the md device itself |
| 15:43.14 | zach242 | somiaj: http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/88a6cb56ac |
| 15:43.23 | rndnick04319 | jelly: this is what you meant right? |
| 15:43.27 | jelly | rndnick04319: yes. |
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| 15:44.24 | somiaj | zach242: the only issue I see is the start script isn't starting the mysql server. Figure out why (Check the mysql logs maybe) |
| 15:45.13 | cheetahw26 | sounds like I should just add it to /etc/modules ... |
| 15:45.23 | cheetahw26 | but where am I supposed to save the actual .ko file ? |
| 15:45.41 | cheetahw26 | within /lib/modules/<uname -r>/ ?? somewhere |
| 15:45.44 | zach242 | somiaj: there are no logs - the files do not contain anything (/var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log are 0 bytes each) |
| 15:45.47 | jelly | anddam: having authentication data eg. for a vpn would warrant a file in /etc/default to be service-readable-only |
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| 15:46.07 | jelly | anddam: but that's just my observation, don't have a policy reference |
| 15:46.49 | somiaj | zach242: well you can go modify the postinstall script. should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.pstinst |
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| 15:47.22 | somiaj | zach242: comment out the invoke-rc.d line that starts the server. Finish the upgrade (That way the package is installed nicely according to apt). At that point you can debug how to get the server running (might just be a configuration issue) |
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| 15:47.59 | rndnick04319 | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/4799 |
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| 15:48.20 | somiaj | zach242: that is .postinst (had a typo there lost the o) |
| 15:48.23 | zach242 | somiaj: this one : if [ -x /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d ]; then invoke-rc.d mysql $1 ? |
| 15:48.35 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i tried changing swapiness and dirty_ratio |
| 15:48.38 | somiaj | zach242: yea comment out that line (it is the one that is erroring out) |
| 15:48.43 | jelly | rndnick04319: vm.dirty_background_ratio = 10 is way too much, the value is in % of total ram |
| 15:48.51 | somiaj | zach242: then run 'dpkg --configure -a' |
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| 15:49.31 | jelly | rndnick04319: if you have lots of writes, they will accumulate until there's 6GB then force writing all of it to disk. On a 64GB system I'd probably set it to 1 |
| 15:49.31 | rndnick04319 | jelly: what does it mean? |
| 15:49.47 | rndnick04319 | jelly: ah i see |
| 15:49.51 | rndnick04319 | jelly: testing... |
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| 15:50.41 | zach242 | somiaj: hmmm http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/666f3c2333 |
| 15:50.43 | jelly | rndnick04319: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt |
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| 15:51.52 | somiaj | zach242: looks like that gives you the actual error and you may have the old /etc/init.d/mysql script and need to get the newer one |
| 15:52.02 | jelly | rndnick04319: I see there's now dirty_background_bytes and dirty_bytes if you want to be more precise |
| 15:52.05 | zach242 | somiaj: it didn't remove it? |
| 15:52.09 | somiaj | zach242: either way you didn't not comment out all the invoke-rc.d lines and it is still erroring out when trying to start the server |
| 15:52.43 | somiaj | zach242: This is your issue, something is wrong with your mysql init.d script and the server is not starting |
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| 15:52.56 | PhiloPolyMath | does anyone know if debian has changed their installer to where there isn't a way to install from image or from mirror any non free firmware during installation? change from squeeze to wheezy installation specifically |
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| 15:53.07 | somiaj | zach242: all I was trying to do was get the package installed (and then let you debug the starting issue sepertally) |
| 15:53.37 | cheetahw26 | I've tried placing the .ko file in /lib/modules/uname -r/{,kernel/drivers/net/,kernel/net/wireless/} but modprobe reads can't find it in any of those places |
| 15:53.38 | somiaj | zach242: ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-locking' -- that is your actual error. |
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| 15:53.49 | zach242 | somiaj: for some reason it's asking for the root password again |
| 15:53.57 | zach242 | somiaj: should I remove that skip-locking? |
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| 15:53.59 | cheetahw26 | I'm assuming modprobe would have to be able to find it, before it would work just adding to /etc/modules |
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| 15:54.26 | somiaj | zach242: I would try to figure out why your init.d script is using an option that is not supported |
| 15:54.46 | zach242 | somiaj: grep skip /etc/init.d/mysql returns nothing! |
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| 15:55.27 | rndnick04319 | jelly: doesn't help / looks even worse |
| 15:55.31 | somiaj | zach242: well this is all I can think of. You have a copy of the mysql .deb sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 15:56.09 | somiaj | zach242: grab a copy of it, copy it to your $HOME (or tmp) location. dpkg -x foo.deb (extract the .deb file in the cwd), and then copy the init.d script to the right spot and try to 'dpkg --reconfigure -a' again |
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| 15:56.23 | mumpitzel | dpkg: tell PhiloPolyMath about installer firmware |
| 15:56.26 | somiaj | zach242: if that gives you a similar error, you need to figure out what on your system is sending that option |
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| 15:56.54 | jelly | rndnick04319: well then, if you don't care about data loss, move the app to write to a ramfs/tmpfs |
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| 15:57.02 | zach242 | somiaj: thank you - where can i see the mysql.deb file /var/lib right - somewhere in there? |
| 15:57.19 | somiaj | zach242: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-<tab> |
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| 15:57.57 | rndnick04319 | jelly: yeah thought about that, too |
| 15:58.09 | somiaj | zach242: you might also want to uncomment out that line you commented out in the postinstall script before configuing the package |
| 15:58.19 | zach242 | somiaj: right I'll do that |
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| 15:58.26 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i just wondered wether it is a known problem |
| 15:58.59 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i also thought about switching back to ext3 |
| 15:59.06 | zach242 | somiaj: Odd, extracted the file - the diff is the same, could it be somewhere in my.cnf or something? |
| 15:59.31 | somiaj | zach242: I have no clue why you are getting that error then. |
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| 15:59.49 | somiaj | zach242: but yea start looking as to why you are sending the mysqld daemon an incorrect flag |
| 15:59.57 | rndnick04319 | jelly: is there a way to "debug" the reason for a flush? |
| 16:00.03 | rndnick04319 | jelly: btrace? |
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| 16:00.37 | jelly | rndnick04319: use atop or iotop to see which app writes and where, for a start |
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| 16:01.04 | jelly | rndnick04319: use iostat -x 1 to see which disks have load |
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| 16:02.36 | rndnick04319 | jelly: yeah using pidstat/iostat but they don't help to understand flush behaviour (imho) |
| 16:02.37 | jelly | rndnick04319: if none of that helps, you might try echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, but this generates a LOT of kern.* messages |
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| 16:03.03 | rndnick04319 | jelly: and one better disables syslog then ;-) |
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| 16:03.21 | jelly | that... does not sound like a smart idea |
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| 16:03.40 | jelly | http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_vm_block_dump.html |
| 16:04.23 | rndnick04319 | jelly? |
| 16:04.45 | jelly | yes? |
| 16:05.03 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i didn't get it |
| 16:05.12 | rndnick04319 | "that... does not sound like a smart idea" |
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| 16:05.27 | jelly | rndnick04319: killing syslog |
| 16:05.42 | rndnick04319 | to break the loop |
| 16:05.49 | rndnick04319 | if you enable block_dump |
| 16:06.00 | rndnick04319 | from your link: |
| 16:06.08 | jelly | don't kill it, log to a remote syslog server instead |
| 16:06.42 | rndnick04319 | "When you use block_dump and your kernel logging level also includes kernel debugging messages, you probably want to turn off klogd" |
| 16:06.53 | rndnick04319 | i don't want to use block_dump |
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| 16:06.56 | ddssc | http://paste.debian.net/4811/ halp |
| 16:07.25 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i understand the write behaviour of the process in question quite well (i wrote it) |
| 16:07.36 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i just don't understand the flush behaviour |
| 16:07.53 | jelly | you and me both |
| 16:07.54 | rndnick04319 | jelly: imho there should be constant write activity and no blocking |
| 16:08.16 | jelly | rndnick04319: unless the disk is too slow |
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| 16:08.27 | rndnick04319 | jelly: yeah right, but it really isn't |
| 16:08.36 | rndnick04319 | jelly: i produce less than 10mb/s |
| 16:08.39 | jelly | you said "sata", I'm skeptical already |
| 16:08.49 | jelly | rndnick04319: sustained, sequential IO? |
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| 16:09.15 | jelly | or 10MB/s chunked into a zillion small writes? |
| 16:09.33 | rndnick04319 | jelly: hmm - not really sequential.. |
| 16:09.35 | jelly | all over the disk |
| 16:10.17 | jelly | iostat -x 1 will tell you some information about how long it takes the disk to do stuff |
| 16:10.19 | rndnick04319 | jelly: but it is more like 2mb/s |
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| 16:10.46 | jelly | and appending 2MB to a single file really shouldn't be a problem, I agree |
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| 16:10.54 | zach242 | somiaj: I'm lost as to how I can get the error - all the files in /etc/mysql are the same from the way you suggested me to unpack those. I can't find skip-locking anywhere |
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| 16:11.10 | r0b- | can i shrink an ext4 partition without loss of data? |
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| 16:11.38 | rndnick04319 | jelly: but maybe i don't understand mit writer good enough, basically i create a huge dbm db file |
| 16:11.40 | zach242 | somiaj: There's skip-external-locking but that's not the same…how can I run mysql to see for myself what's bombing out? |
| 16:11.45 | rndnick04319 | ~s/mit/my |
| 16:12.08 | jelly | rndnick04319: I'll read that as "lots of small random writes" |
| 16:12.32 | rndnick04319 | jelly: my first thought was that libdbm is syncing, but it isn't |
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| 16:12.35 | jelly | rndnick04319: is it really dbm, or something more 2000s like tokyocabinet? |
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| 16:13.07 | rndnick04319 | libgdbm |
| 16:13.21 | cheetahw26 | oh is there like something you have to do to get modprobe to refresh ? |
| 16:13.22 | jelly | (gdbm has a silly 2GiB-1 limit) |
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| 16:13.33 | rndnick04319 | jelly: doesn't look so |
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| 16:13.41 | rndnick04319 | jelly: at least not on 64bit |
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| 16:13.49 | jelly | oh that may be |
| 16:14.00 | jelly | I still wouldn't pick it as first choice |
| 16:14.01 | rndnick04319 | 2000s ;-) |
| 16:14.17 | rndnick04319 | jelly: better alternative? |
| 16:14.19 | cheetahw26 | if I do modprobe -l 81* I get results in particular directories... then if I copy mine into that directory and do it again, I get same results... which indicates modprobe isn't actually searching live |
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| 16:15.14 | jelly | rndnick04319: anything really! :-) I mentioned one seemingly decent alternative |
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| 16:16.01 | somiaj | zach242: /etc/init.d/mysql start (that is what invoke-rc.d is doing, I don't see why it is erroring out) |
| 16:16.14 | somiaj | zach242: do you see that --skip flag in the postinst script by chance? |
| 16:16.21 | rndnick04319 | jelly: tokyocabinet? searching through my notes - looks like i considered it - hmm |
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| 16:17.17 | cheetahw26 | feel like my nick isn't registered and I'm talking with no voice :) |
| 16:17.34 | rndnick04319 | jelly: is the api simple / similar? no daemon just a file? |
| 16:17.37 | jelly | rndnick04319: If you have 2-10MB/s, you could lower dirty_background_bytes even more to something like 20-100M |
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| 16:17.56 | jelly | rndnick04319: the api is pretty much the same as far as I remember |
| 16:18.15 | drhouse123 | hi! i installed nvidia driver properly but here is not 32-bit opengl support for wine |
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| 16:19.06 | drhouse123 | i did aptitude install -t experimental nvidia-glx nvidia-xconf |
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| 16:20.07 | drhouse123 | but now sudo aptitude install -t experimental nvidia-glx:i386 is impossible |
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| 16:20.53 | jelly | drhouse123: experimental is not a complete repo, there's no guarantee there will always be matching i386 and amd64 builds of stuff |
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| 16:21.26 | exim-mta | why is exim default in debian and can anyone help me with postfix? |
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| 16:21.56 | rndnick04319 | jelly: if i do lsof and see: 4uW what does it mean? |
| 16:21.57 | vad | I have to deal here with a really dumb web server which might (and does) close the connection mid-way during a file transfer; is there any smartness built into apt-get to auto-resume the download? |
| 16:22.17 | rndnick04319 | jelly: in the FD field |
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| 16:23.01 | vad | rndnick04319: man lsof; "FD is followed ..." |
| 16:23.11 | mumpitzel | vad: yes it autoresumes normally |
| 16:23.20 | mumpitzel | vad: why not use a different debian mirror then? |
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| 16:23.57 | rndnick04319 | ah write lock |
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| 16:25.58 | rndnick04319 | jelly: using very low dirty_background_bytes makes it worse - top shows the writer is constantly waiting for the disk |
| 16:26.25 | vad | mumpitzel: well I happen to be on Illumian, a solaris derivative with apt-get, and the thing does not autoresume :/ |
| 16:26.31 | rndnick04319 | jelly: a hack would be to do the buffering myself using reader/writer threads |
| 16:26.32 | drhouse123 | jelly: fixed by apt-get install -t experimental libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
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| 16:28.05 | ddssc | http://paste.debian.net/4811/ halp anyone? |
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| 16:28.37 | rndnick04319 | jelly: or increasing pipe buffer size even more... |
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| 16:28.47 | jpw | exim-mta: ask a specific question. |
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| 16:28.57 | mumpitzel | vad: and we don't care. ask the illumian folks for help then |
| 16:29.02 | exim-mta | is there a cleaner way to do 'apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade' in a daily cron job with only security repo? |
| 16:29.20 | exim-mta | jpw: I need to masquerade domains depending on subnet range |
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| 16:29.45 | exim-mta | jpw: the online documentation left me confused and my head spinnig |
| 16:29.47 | mumpitzel | ddssc: you are mixing debian releases? |
| 16:29.48 | exim-mta | spinning |
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| 16:30.15 | exim-mta | mumpitzel: sid and experimental isn't TOO bad |
| 16:30.30 | ddssc | mumpitzel, dunno. am I? |
| 16:30.39 | exim-mta | though I don't have the courage to run experimental at home, I use sid at home, stable at work |
| 16:30.48 | vad | apt-get 1.0.9 too old? |
| 16:30.49 | rndnick04319 | jelly: will try tokyocabinet |
| 16:30.59 | rndnick04319 | jelly: thanks for your help and time |
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| 16:31.22 | jpw | exim-mta: thinking. |
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| 16:32.25 | slav3_kitten | ok, i have some stupid questions. I jut got a thinkpad X200 and am installing debian on it, reading up on it to get hdd parking working i need to install tp_smapi which was last updated in 2008. is there a newer package or what would i want to handle hdd parking |
| 16:32.37 | jpw | exim-mta: you want to masquerade the sender address based on subnet right? |
| 16:32.42 | mumpitzel | slav3_kitten: just use it |
| 16:33.12 | mumpitzel | slav3_kitten: newer harddisks park their heads automatically. older ones don't and then you can run tp_smapi with thinkpads |
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| 16:33.37 | jhutchins_wk | slav3_kitten: If it does the job why would it need to be updated? |
| 16:34.27 | jhutchins_wk | slav3_kitten: Usually a package that is unmaintained and out of date will be removed from the repos, but if it doesn't need to be updated it will be kept. |
| 16:34.43 | kdog | \q |
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| 16:35.57 | slav3_kitten | jhutchins_wk, main worry was it was designed to be used with a 2.x kernel, and or it had been rolled into something or replaced with something else |
| 16:36.08 | jmd | Iceweasel in wheezy seems to be broken. |
| 16:36.23 | slav3_kitten | a good bit changes in 5 years |
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| 16:38.14 | exim-mta | jpw: yes, if it's from a certain /24 it's one domain, if it's from another /24 it's another domain |
| 16:40.46 | jonkri | is there some program that can check what files on a file system that a particular binary is trying to access? |
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| 16:41.47 | cheetahw26 | depmod -a |
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| 16:41.56 | cheetahw26 | guess I deserved that... |
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| 16:45.30 | jpw | jonkri: lsof, iptop, iostat |
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| 16:54.41 | jonkri | thanks jpw |
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| 16:57.53 | Quix86 | Debian 7 doesn't seem to work with my audio card (CS4281). I've tried multiple players and checked volume, alsa is correctly set up and everything is turned up |
| 16:58.00 | Quix86 | I've done a dmesg | grep CS4281 and deb6 has an extra line saying: |
| 16:58.04 | Quix86 | PCI INT A -> Link[LINKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ11 |
| 16:58.32 | Quix86 | Just to clarify, this all works fine in deb6 |
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| 16:59.49 | mns | Quix86: Maybe some module did not get loaded under deb7 like they did under deb6 ? |
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| 17:00.39 | Quix86 | well that extra line is in deb6 and not in deb7 |
| 17:00.47 | Quix86 | in dmesg |
| 17:00.54 | Quix86 | I'm not sure if that'd be driver related or PCI related or what |
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| 17:01.14 | Quix86 | everything acts like it's playing fine, ALSA shows the correct audio device, players don't spit out any errors |
| 17:01.21 | Quix86 | but there simply isn't any sound |
| 17:01.30 | Quix86 | system beeps work fine FWIW |
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| 17:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | still sounds like it's muted |
| 17:02.28 | Quix86 | alsa is turned up, player turned up, messed with the volume controls and again, system beeps work. |
| 17:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wheezy uses pulse... which probably has new exciting ways of misdirecting sound |
| 17:02.32 | mns | Quix86: is this a laptop or desktop or what ? |
| 17:02.37 | Quix86 | thinkpad x21 |
| 17:02.50 | Quix86 | system beeps are controlled by the hardware volume control, if it's turned down then you don't hear beeps |
| 17:03.01 | Quix86 | useful for my x20 that beeped a dozen times on boot |
| 17:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quix86, I don't know how other mixers do that... but in alsamixer, it can have "turned volume up" and still show an "M", as in "mute" |
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| 17:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quix86, also, as this should run with pulse now, look in pavucontrol |
| 17:04.31 | mns | Quix86: also, as CutMeOwnThroat pointed out, have you got pulseaudio setup correctly ? I had to do something similar to my laptop and dick around with things. Unfortunately I can't remember what I did to make it work. |
| 17:04.32 | Quix86 | >pcm was muted |
| 17:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 17:04.43 | Quix86 | pulseaudio isn't installed |
| 17:04.53 | mns | ahhh there you go. |
| 17:04.53 | Quix86 | so why is alsa turned down AND muted by default? |
| 17:05.34 | mns | Quix86: now that you mention it, that was my problem as well. |
| 17:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quix86, sorry, you've exhausted your quota of questions for today |
| 17:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I guess you'd need to ask some alsa guy that.... |
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| 17:06.13 | Quix86 | the only other thing I need to do with that laptop is to find out how to send alt+ messages through to my terminal in DWM and that is more or less est |
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| 17:06.32 | Quix86 | and change fonts in rxvt.... |
| 17:06.33 | Quix86 | is there an alsa channel? |
| 17:06.33 | Quix86 | I want to go bitch at them now |
| 17:07.53 | mns | Quix86: fonts in rxvt is just add it to the ~/.Xresources file or rxvt -fn "font name" |
| 17:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, there's #alsa ... don't think bitching would help |
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| 17:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | have a nice and possibly long weekend |
| 17:08.30 | mns | Quix86: I don't use DWM so don't know what you're talking about with alt+ messages to the terminal. |
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| 17:09.12 | Quix86 | mns you have to do some kinda font code magic though. Even knowing where the alias files are it's still |
| 17:09.14 | Quix86 | a mess |
| 17:09.26 | jmd | Anyone know how to make iceweasel go for more than 30 seconds without freezing? |
| 17:09.44 | Quix86 | DWM is a DE, it uses alt+ for commands. i.e. alt+1 to change to workspace 1 and etc |
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| 17:10.14 | mns | Quix86: use fc-cache or something like that, after you install the fonts you want. |
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| 17:11.34 | mns | jmd: dont use flash ? :) |
| 17:11.48 | jmd | How do I turn it off? |
| 17:11.59 | imox | ich installier grad debian neu mit nem raid 1 und wollte mal wissen welche partitionierung ich nehmen sollte? |
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| 17:12.10 | imox | hatte bisher boot / und swap |
| 17:12.15 | Quix86 | jmd I'd look into installing aurora |
| 17:12.23 | g-maurizi | Hello #debian, I could really use some help, I have been trying to get static nat working for 4 days now, my steps are ifconfig eth1:1 172.20.2.99 netmask 255.255.255.255 broadcast 172.20.2.255, and then iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -d 172.20.2.99 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.1.150.10, this just flat out doesn't seem to work. Forwarding is enabled. If i ssh 172.20.2.99 I ssh into the box im sitting at, not 10.1.150.10 |
| 17:12.29 | mns | jmd: man page should tell you the option to turn off using plug-ins |
| 17:12.31 | imox | ahhh sorry not the german here ;) |
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| 17:13.06 | imox | currently I'm installing debian with raid 1 and whats the question now which partitions I should use? |
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| 17:13.26 | imox | one / and one für swap? |
| 17:13.34 | mns | Quix86: I know what DWM is, just don't use it |
| 17:13.37 | imox | or also one für /boot ? |
| 17:13.46 | Quix86 | mns I went and asked their channel |
| 17:13.47 | g-maurizi | anyone? |
| 17:14.02 | mns | Quix86: which channel ? |
| 17:14.05 | ueb | Exim4 problem solved thanks to channel #exim :))))))))) |
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| 17:14.11 | Quix86 | mns, #dwm |
| 17:14.20 | mns | Quix86: ahh ok |
| 17:15.18 | g-maurizi | please? |
| 17:15.21 | Quix86 | oh great, I don't think OSX 10.3 sees the dvd burner in my powerbook g3... |
| 17:15.24 | jmd | E: Unable to locate package aurora |
| 17:15.37 | Quix86 | g-maurizi, maybe try #networking? |
| 17:15.39 | Quix86 | or it might be ## |
| 17:15.57 | Quix86 | jmd, you'll have to install it from some fancy repository. There are good guides on google |
| 17:16.28 | jmd | I use the stable repos so I don't have to mess around like that. |
| 17:17.08 | Quix86 | jmd aurora is the pre-beta version of firefox. |
| 17:17.10 | exim-mta | Quix86: DWM is not a DE, it's a WM |
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| 17:17.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hi, can anyone tell me how hotplugg mounting of usb drives is usually handled on debian? |
| 17:17.52 | exim-mta | XFCE, Gnome, KDE, LXDE are DEs |
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| 17:18.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've noticed that usb drives with FAT are mounted with rw privileges for the current user whilst ext formatted drives are root only and I'd like to know why. |
| 17:18.44 | exim-mta | KaffeeJunky123: that's dependent on your WM/DE usually |
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| 17:19.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: I'm using cinnamon here |
| 17:19.11 | exim-mta | KaffeeJunky123: you can change that by adding a line to your /etc/fstab |
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| 17:19.18 | exim-mta | KaffeeJunky123: cinnamon on debian? |
| 17:19.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's in the testing repo and doesn't pull along much |
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| 17:19.48 | exim-mta | really? |
| 17:19.54 | exim-mta | I didn't think debian hosted cinammon |
| 17:20.03 | exim-mta | I thought that was a linux mint project that they hosted |
| 17:20.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | well it's in testing now |
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| 17:21.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: any ideas how I could find out about the usb mount mechanism there? |
| 17:21.29 | mns | Cinammon = GNOME2 ? |
| 17:21.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | not quite |
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| 17:22.04 | Quix86 | I think m8 is gnome2 |
| 17:22.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | It's a de based on the gnome-shell and it's trying to be more like gnome2 |
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| 17:22.21 | jmd | bash is also a de |
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| 17:22.27 | cra1g321 | Cinnamon is Gnome 3, MATE is Gnome 2 |
| 17:22.49 | mns | thanks cra1g321 |
| 17:22.53 | mns | tanks KaffeeJunky123 |
| 17:23.14 | mns | lol jmd so emacs if you want to go down that path. :) |
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| 17:23.36 | jmd | Well yes. But I don't see what is funny about it. |
| 17:23.43 | exim-mta | Cinammon is a fork of Gnome3 to look more like Gnome2 |
| 17:23.55 | exim-mta | Mate is a continuation of the discontinued Gnome2 |
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| 17:24.03 | exim-mta | fork/continuation |
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| 17:24.33 | Quix86 | wow I forgot #macosx was full of asshole |
| 17:24.38 | Quix86 | plurals |
| 17:24.38 | exim-mta | both are really resource intensize |
| 17:24.46 | exim-mta | intensive |
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| 17:24.56 | cra1g321 | not really |
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| 17:25.19 | Quix86 | I like xfce |
| 17:25.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | compared to smaller ones they are |
| 17:25.27 | Quix86 | It's 'lightweight', whatever that's supposed to mean |
| 17:25.33 | exim-mta | cra1g321: they idle burning more RAM and CPU than KDE |
| 17:25.42 | exim-mta | cra1g321: 600-800MB RAM |
| 17:25.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | if you want something lightweight use i3 :) |
| 17:25.46 | cra1g321 | than KDE ? |
| 17:25.51 | exim-mta | cra1g321: just idling |
| 17:25.54 | cra1g321 | lol never the case with me |
| 17:25.55 | exim-mta | cra1g321: yeah |
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| 17:26.04 | exim-mta | cra1g321: far too bloated for em |
| 17:26.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: kde in wheezy is not usable though |
| 17:26.15 | exim-mta | cra1g321: I use openbox though |
| 17:26.29 | exim-mta | KaffeeJunky123: you mean KDE4? |
| 17:26.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | tons of nasty bugs and the gtk integration doesn't work |
| 17:26.36 | cra1g321 | well if your used to using a WM then everthing will seem bloated ;) |
| 17:26.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: yes |
| 17:26.43 | exim-mta | I would argue that KDE4 is more usable than Gnome3 |
| 17:26.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | it is |
| 17:26.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | but not the one provided in wheezy |
| 17:26.57 | exim-mta | I used it for most of my duration at my last company |
| 17:26.59 | cra1g321 | wouldnt be a hard arguement to win |
| 17:27.00 | mns | exim-mta: All DEs are, in my opinion. I stick to X11 + wm (stumpwm || vtwm || jwm ) |
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| 17:27.39 | exim-mta | mns: maybe I'm just a minimalist |
| 17:28.23 | mns | exim-mta: same here. I jsut don't see any advantage in a DE. Doesn't mean there isn't any, whatever it is, it doesn't work for me. |
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| 17:29.12 | mns | I did come in here wanting to ask a question, but have now forgotten it, thanks to being involved with helping Quix86 :) |
| 17:29.21 | Quix86 | lol |
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| 17:31.36 | exim-mta | I still really need help with postfix |
| 17:32.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: I've been reading up and down through the fstab man page but I've no clue what you meant with your statement earlier |
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| 17:32.38 | jelly-home | exim-mta: in case noone answers, #postfix is right over there -> |
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| 17:33.06 | exim-mta | KaffeeJunky123: if you make an entry for the device and tell it what permissions to mount with, it will mount with those permissions, which can be more lenient than what your default from some streamer is |
| 17:33.14 | exim-mta | I'm kind of anti streamer anyway |
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| 17:33.27 | exim-mta | jelly-home: I can't talk there, registered only |
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| 17:33.44 | jelly-home | exim-mta: so register, it's not that hard. /msg nickserv help |
| 17:33.55 | exim-mta | I'm too lazy to write a perl script to /query all users in that channel |
| 17:34.05 | exim-mta | though that is sounding more interesting now |
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| 17:34.28 | exim-mta | tictac: brother of bridgette? |
| 17:35.03 | franco00 | is there a way to install every package in a certain priority? (or to list them, so i can pipe them appropriately)? |
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| 17:35.31 | nyuszika7h | hi, is there a way to change the UID of a user without breaking permissions? |
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| 17:43.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: I found out about my mistake, ext3 is capable of setting user permissions D: |
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| 17:51.45 | frodo_jeb | hi, is it true that linux deamon are just a normale linux programme added to it a script that lanch it at boot time rc0 rc1 ... rc6 |
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| 17:53.20 | exim-mta | frodo_jeb: no |
| 17:53.34 | exim-mta | frodo_jeb: daemon just means it is a forked process |
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| 17:54.02 | exim-mta | frodo_jeb: it's forked is a background process and typically listening for some type of signal from a user but not always |
| 17:54.17 | exim-mta | doesn't have to be on boot |
| 17:54.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | frodo_jeb: and they're eating your soul because they are daemon |
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| 17:55.09 | frodo_jeb | KaffeeJunky123 very funny |
| 17:55.30 | frodo_jeb | serioslly how can i devllope one |
| 17:55.53 | frodo_jeb | normale codding |
| 17:56.07 | frodo_jeb | using linux API |
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| 17:56.17 | jhutchins_wk | frodo_jeb: Take a look at one that already works. |
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| 17:56.57 | jhutchins_wk | frodo_jeb: There are ways to get programs that are normally interactive to run in the background as well. |
| 17:57.17 | exim-mta | frodo_jeb: look up functions, if you want a rc script you'll want to look into that |
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| 17:58.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | and don't forget to port it to systemd and upstart as well ;) |
| 17:58.32 | frodo_jeb | no i am not taking about interactive programme |
| 17:59.53 | frodo_jeb | i will develope a programme that listen to some port when some thing happen i want an action take place |
| 17:59.56 | exim-mta | don't touch systemd |
| 18:00.04 | exim-mta | systemd is the devil |
| 18:00.17 | exim-mta | systemd is like the worst thing since sliced bread |
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| 18:03.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: I hate sliced bread but systemd is okay |
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| 18:04.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | writing rules for it is rather easy |
| 18:05.11 | exim-mta | it will never be in debian as the default |
| 18:05.23 | exim-mta | that'll be the day I leave debian |
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| 18:08.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | exim-mta: what do you not like in systemd? |
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| 18:09.48 | exim-mta | KaffeeJunky123: everything |
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| 18:10.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | that'll make the systemd devs very unhappy |
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| 18:14.29 | exim-mta | KaffeeJunky123: slower, awkward nonsensical syntax for command invocation, and not very portable |
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| 18:15.34 | jhutchins_wk | Did one of you have a debian support question? |
| 18:16.10 | jmd | After getting the login screen and typing in the password, I always get a message "Oh no. something has gone wrong. A problem has occured an d the system can't recover. Please logout and try again." |
| 18:16.22 | jmd | Is there anyway to turn that option off? |
| 18:16.38 | localht | hi guys, I forget this all the time, how do I change directories in override_dh_auto_build? |
| 18:16.41 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: What release and what desktop? |
| 18:16.47 | localht | it was something in $(MAKE) I think |
| 18:16.52 | jmd | wheezy, gnome |
| 18:17.07 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: Does gnome work normally for you after that? |
| 18:17.26 | jmd | I can't login. It kicks me out each time. |
| 18:17.36 | jmd | It didn't happen in squeeze. |
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| 18:20.53 | jmd | syslog says: imuxsock begins to drop messages from pid 10653 due to rate-limiting |
| 18:21.03 | jmd | I don't know what that means. |
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| 18:23.48 | pan_ | anyone know how to get dwarffortress working on 64 bit stable? |
| 18:23.52 | pan_ | or any good guides |
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| 18:25.44 | DammitJim | if df is telling me I only have 5.7G of hard disk space free, but the Size is reported as 917G and Used 865G, where is the rest of the space? |
| 18:26.26 | ChibaPet | jmd: I'd recommend poking around and deleting your old config, if it's from an obsolete version of Gnome. |
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| 18:27.08 | Brigo | pan_: http://blog.isja.org/?/archives/81-Setting-up-Dwarf-Fortress-in-64bit-Debian.html |
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| 18:27.19 | patsToms | I have problem with this issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646319 |
| 18:27.24 | jmd | I have deleted .local .config .mozilla what else? |
| 18:27.29 | patsToms | someone can help me? What really do I need to upgrade? |
| 18:27.30 | gasull | My x-window is randomly crashing and logging me out. How can I know what's going on? |
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| 18:28.00 | gasull | I might get another crash at any moment |
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| 18:29.07 | patsToms | I need to upgrade libgtk2.0-0 to 2.24.6-1 |
| 18:29.08 | Contexual | /part |
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| 18:29.17 | pan_ | Brigo, that guide is kind of outdated. there is no /usr/lib32 on debian wheezy |
| 18:29.23 | patsToms | any ideas how to do that? |
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| 18:29.51 | jmd | I have deleted .local .config .mozilla and .gconf* what else should I delete ? |
| 18:29.59 | r3m | ,v oh-my-zsh |
| 18:30.01 | judd | No package named 'oh-my-zsh' was found in i386. |
| 18:30.21 | Brigo | pan_: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123116.0 |
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| 18:31.24 | ChibaPet | jmd: That seems like it should be sufficient, but half a sec and I'll see if I can identify more. |
| 18:31.24 | gasull | any idea how to check what's causing my x-window to crash? I fear it will happen again soon. |
| 18:31.25 | r3m | ,v zsh |
| 18:31.26 | judd | Package: zsh on i386 -- squeeze: 4.3.10-14; jessie: 4.3.17-1; wheezy: 4.3.17-1; sid: 5.0.2-3 |
| 18:31.27 | jmd | Oh and deleting .gnome2* also doesn't help. |
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| 18:32.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | jmd: did you try gnome-fallback? |
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| 18:32.59 | ChibaPet | jmd: I'm just guessing here, but I'm also seeing .cache .dbus .gtk* .gvfs .pulse* .Xauthority |
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| 18:34.28 | Brigo | ¿Why not dwarf fortress in Debian yet? :-) |
| 18:34.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | ChibaPet: it is possible that the gnome-shell doesn't start because of video driver issues |
| 18:34.57 | ChibaPet | ¡Submit a package! |
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| 18:35.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | ChibaPet: those old config files shouldn't interfere like that |
| 18:35.29 | ChibaPet | KaffeeJunky123: He'd get a login to the fallback, wouldn't he? |
| 18:35.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | and just randomly deleting configuration files is a bad idea |
| 18:35.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | ChibaPet: not automatically |
| 18:36.00 | exim-mta | I like to leave configuration files there and dd if=/dev/random into them |
| 18:36.02 | exim-mta | it makes for interesting times |
| 18:36.07 | ChibaPet | Randomly deleting config files helps identify bad software that fails zeroconf ideals. :P |
| 18:37.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | ChibaPet: when I installed the nvidia binary driver from nvidia.com I got the same error message after rebooting, for some reason my user was not in the video group and couldn't access the graphics card |
| 18:37.35 | ChibaPet | KaffeeJunky123: I suspect jmd is using Nouveau. |
| 18:37.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | ChibaPet: missing certain gl stuff also causes this |
| 18:39.15 | stackofcats | what happened to the linux-images in experimental? they seem to have vanished. |
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| 18:39.36 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | jmd: that's the free driver for nvidia graphic cards |
| 18:40.04 | ChibaPet | jmd: IDKWTFII, WDYA? |
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| 18:40.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | jmd: anyways, did you try to log into a fallback session? |
| 18:40.44 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: That could be the space reserved for root. |
| 18:41.09 | jhutchins_wk | stackofcats: That's what happens with experimental. Once packages are no longer experimental they are removed. |
| 18:41.33 | DammitJim | http://pastie.org/7921959 |
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| 18:41.59 | DammitJim | is there a different tool I can use to see where my free space is? LOL |
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| 18:42.08 | DammitJim | or is 5.7G just my free space period? |
| 18:42.16 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: du? |
| 18:42.27 | DammitJim | that's the thing |
| 18:42.40 | DammitJim | du reports 865 |
| 18:42.42 | DammitJim | let me run it again |
| 18:42.53 | DammitJim | I'm doing du -sh |
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| 18:42.59 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Right. |
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| 18:43.14 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: As root, right? |
| 18:43.31 | DammitJim | yes |
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| 18:43.48 | ChibaPet | Well, time for lunch, jmd - seems like KaffeeJunky123 might have some useful clues for you. |
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| 18:43.58 | stackofcats | jhutchins_wk: oh they moved to unstable. ok, that's fine. Maybe 3.9 bumps into experimental soon. |
| 18:44.01 | DammitJim | yup, 864G |
| 18:44.07 | exim-mta | DammitJim: if you are using a file that has been unlinked it won't be released |
| 18:44.16 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: I don't know the actual spec for how much is reserved for the system, but that looks like the probable culprit. |
| 18:44.21 | DammitJim | exim-mta, how do I find those files? |
| 18:44.22 | exim-mta | the inode could not show up for that reason |
| 18:44.28 | exim-mta | lsof |
| 18:44.30 | jhutchins_wk | stackofcats: I don't think you understand what experimental is. |
| 18:44.37 | jhutchins_wk | !experimental |
| 18:44.37 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 18:44.58 | DammitJim | what am I looking for in lsof? |
| 18:45.05 | jhutchins_wk | stackofcats: It's not a normal part of the staging path for testing like unstable/sid is. |
| 18:45.21 | exim-mta | things you recently deleted |
| 18:45.39 | exim-mta | that are still hanging out in the ram and holding inodes |
| 18:45.52 | jmd | mkdir dots ; mv .* dots fixes the problem. |
| 18:45.52 | exim-mta | then you punch them in the face and get your inodes back |
| 18:46.05 | stackofcats | jhutchins_wk: OK so it was just because of testing being frozen that for the last months newer kernels only could be found in experimental. usually they would go straight to sid, right? |
| 18:46.16 | exim-mta | or just do an init 6 and see if the free space goes up |
| 18:46.21 | DammitJim | oh, I'm so ready to punch them in the face! |
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| 18:46.29 | DammitJim | what is the command for punching them in the face? |
| 18:46.29 | jmd | .files are always a pain. There should be a daemon which deletes them. |
| 18:46.35 | exim-mta | DammitJim: kill -9 |
| 18:46.42 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: THe default is 5%, so that looks about right. |
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| 18:47.07 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Just because some people answer you does not mean they necessarily know what they're talking about. |
| 18:47.12 | exim-mta | sometimes I like to renice 1 20 |
| 18:47.38 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, so, 5% of the disk space being used is normal? |
| 18:47.41 | DammitJim | is that what you are saying? |
| 18:47.50 | exim-mta | 5% is standard |
| 18:47.55 | exim-mta | unless you change it |
| 18:47.58 | exim-mta | feel free to |
| 18:48.01 | patsToms | someone can help me to resolve bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642910 |
| 18:48.10 | exim-mta | I wouldn't change the 5% default |
| 18:48.23 | jhutchins_wk | stackofcats: Packages go to experimental if they are believed to be potentially harmful. It's not a part of regular processing, and does not have anything to do with the freeze. |
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| 18:48.59 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: 5% is reserved for system processes to help limit the damage done if the disk runs out of space. |
| 18:49.07 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 18:49.09 | DammitJim | then I'll let it be |
| 18:49.16 | DammitJim | It's nice to know where the stuff is, though |
| 18:49.21 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You can change/display that with tune2fs, but it's not recommended. |
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| 18:49.39 | DammitJim | no, I don't want to do that |
| 18:49.42 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Emergency buffer sortof. |
| 18:49.44 | nutron | I'm wondering if anyone knows if there is an open source screen sharing solution currently in wheezy? Trying to get all developers a tool that we can share our screens while having a discussion/meeting ... whiteboard support maybe? |
| 18:49.45 | DammitJim | I just wanted to know where that space was |
| 18:50.02 | stackofcats | jhutchins_wk: ok, thx for clarifying on that |
| 18:50.16 | jhutchins_wk | nutron: I think one of the VNC servers will allow multiple connections. |
| 18:50.21 | patsToms | how to upgrade gnome-packagekit? |
| 18:50.54 | exim-mta | DammitJim: you can also have fun with hdparm |
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| 18:51.20 | nutron | hmm, though no whiteboard there... but certainly an option. |
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| 18:51.33 | DammitJim | no thanks exim-mta ... until I have the time to understand what I am doing, I rather let it be :) |
| 18:51.49 | nutron | maybe a smartboard is better in this case |
| 18:51.58 | exim-mta | also if you dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1, that can make your next restart really brief |
| 18:52.11 | exim-mta | (don't do that) |
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| 18:52.49 | DammitJim | uummmm.... do you guys know if one can cluster many debian computers to have a "super computer?" |
| 18:53.12 | DammitJim | well, not a super computer, but you know what I mean... a virtual computer that can use all the resources of the physical computers |
| 18:53.23 | jhutchins_wk | patsToms: gnome chat, now pidgin, was supposed to be working on something like that... |
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| 18:53.34 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Yes. |
| 18:54.06 | jhutchins_wk | ,info whyteboard |
| 18:54.07 | judd | Package whyteboard (text, extra) in wheezy/i386: overlay painting and annotation application. Version: 0.41.1-4; Size: 353.0k; Installed: 2064k; Homepage: http://whyteboard.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/whyteboard |
| 18:54.29 | patsToms | jhutchins_wk, I hava an issue which was related to updating this package |
| 18:54.38 | DammitJim | whyteboard? |
| 18:54.52 | patsToms | jhutchins_wk, I am trying to upgrade it but I got that there is no package like that |
| 18:55.36 | patsToms | jhutchins_wk, but here is that package http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome-packagekit |
| 18:56.55 | patsToms | jhutchins_wk, I have Debian Squeezy maybe thats the problem |
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| 18:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions gnome-packagekit |
| 18:59.36 | judd | Package: gnome-packagekit on i386 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.2-2; wheezy: 3.4.2-2; experimental: 3.6.0-3 |
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| 19:00.09 | jhutchins_wk | patsToms: So no, does not exist in squeeze (including backports). |
| 19:00.55 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: whyteboard for nutron |
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| 19:02.16 | jdoles | Why does Wheezy contain KDE4.8? Isn't that full of bugs? |
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| 19:02.45 | jdoles | The bugs aren't intended to ever be fixed are they? At least until the next release. |
| 19:03.03 | patsToms | jhutchins_wk, is there any way to upgrade from 6 to 7? |
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| 19:03.09 | jdoles | Effectively, this seems to indicate that nobody can use KDE in a production environment on Debian. |
| 19:03.24 | jdoles | Why would you ever want to do that? |
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| 19:04.36 | neglesaks | where are the spaceflare wallpapers in debian 7 located? seems to be missing from /usr/share/images/ |
| 19:06.28 | milligan | Still having a hard time with pulseaudio (I think!) here in Wheezy. For some reason, if some programs are playing sound (for instance teamspeak), and I start a wine application, the wine application won't have any sound. Any ideas why? |
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| 19:07.47 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, not sure what you mean by whyteboard for nutron |
| 19:07.57 | DammitJim | that's not the software for clusteroing? |
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| 19:09.29 | nutron | DammitJim: he was responding to me, not you |
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| 19:09.40 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 19:14.38 | Haylilfut | hi |
| 19:14.46 | Haylilfut | help me moave button-layout |
| 19:15.15 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: I would explain myself but I was on through a windows machine that is not feeling well this afternoon. |
| 19:15.30 | DammitJim | no problem |
| 19:15.35 | DammitJim | I don't need the info right now |
| 19:15.36 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: Why not check the bug tracking system? |
| 19:15.45 | DammitJim | I've found some tools like Beuwoulf or something like that |
| 19:15.55 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Right. |
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| 19:16.13 | Haylilfut | i guess ill jus reinstall a bunch of stuff |
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| 19:17.25 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: It tends not to have great support because it's mostly done by people who can write their own code for that kind of thing. |
| 19:17.47 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Kinda like ltsp and other big specialized projects. |
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| 19:19.30 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, ok so this thing is not an off the shelf kinda thing |
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| 19:19.44 | DammitJim | I have like 6 laptops I don't use anymore and I wanted a project like that since they are a little older machines |
| 19:21.03 | p3rror | DammitJim, give them to me |
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| 19:21.19 | DammitJim | LOL... that's what everyone says, but they aren't mine... they are my company's |
| 19:21.21 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: No, really isn't off-the-shelf. |
| 19:21.30 | p3rror | DammitJim, lol |
| 19:21.35 | p3rror | DammitJim, lucky man |
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| 19:24.57 | DammitJim | they are nothing fancy |
| 19:25.09 | milligan | Anyone? Am I better of removing pulseaudio ? |
| 19:25.12 | DammitJim | they are Dual core machines... not even Core Duo |
| 19:25.17 | DammitJim | whichever is older |
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| 19:31.55 | monod | musescore freezes at startup - is it normal? |
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| 19:33.34 | acu | hey guys - I run wheezy have /root /var and LVM with data etc, /var is on its own partition on the disk, wonder if I could move it to a LVM ?? |
| 19:33.59 | acu | I want to increase its size |
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| 19:35.53 | muculus | I install Mysql 5.6 with this documentaion(in debian) , now I need to install php5-mysql and mysql-common packages. can I install them with apt-get? I think they will install mysql5.5 compatible, when try it, php can't connect to mysql! what can I do? |
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| 19:39.38 | Nurbs | muculus: The 5.5 packages should be able to connect to a 5.6 server |
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| 19:40.59 | muculus | Nurbs: I try them! but they won't work... |
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| 19:42.42 | Nurbs | muculus: I have been using Debian's packages to connect to MySQL 5.6 through php5-mysql quite a lot without problems. What do you mean by "won't work"? Describe what exactly you're doing and what error you are getting. |
| 19:43.28 | sanmarcos | it is 2013 and people are still fighting with pulse audio |
| 19:43.31 | sanmarcos | seriously |
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| 19:46.00 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: I don't fight, I gave up :) |
| 19:46.15 | sanmarcos | yep, just use OS X and give up |
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| 19:46.23 | sanmarcos | you have to be a masochist to use linux on the desktop |
| 19:46.30 | sanmarcos | on the server it works great |
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| 19:46.54 | muculus | Nurbs: I try mysql_connect() function in php and it returns false, that it means php can't connect to mysql properly. |
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| 19:48.22 | lulz0r | I have a fresh debian install here and I want to see the cpu temperature. (Yes apparently I'm a noob.) - I installed lm sensors, but if I run "sensors" I just get "temp1: " ... "temp2: " ..., it doesn't even seem to recognize my cpu, nor does it show the temperature on a per-core basis as tools like coretemp on windows do. I already run sensors-detect, but that didn't change anything. Any ideas? (I have a 3770k |
| 19:48.23 | lulz0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.18 | Nurbs | muculus: This is more likely related to something else. Still needs more info. Try mysql_connect(...) or die(mysql_errno() . ' ' . mysql_error()); |
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| 19:49.47 | jhutchins_wk | lulz0r: Did you run the sensors_detect script? |
| 19:50.04 | Nurbs | muculus: Also, try not to use mysql_connect. Use mysqli or PDO |
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| 19:50.29 | Nurbs | muculus: If it's your app... :-) |
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| 19:52.13 | jhutchins_wk | lulz0r: Ah, I see you did run it. |
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| 19:52.33 | jhutchins_wk | lulz0r: Apparently the manufacturer has given incorrect calibration values to the sensors developers. |
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| 19:53.37 | lulz0r | jhutchins_wk You mean Intel?^^ |
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| 19:54.32 | jhutchins_wk | Not knowing all manufacturers model numbers by heart, I wouldn't know who made your chipsets or motherboard. |
| 19:55.25 | jhutchins_wk | lulz0r: Whoever made or implemented the temperature sensors did not follow the standards available to the sensors devs. |
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| 19:56.32 | jhutchins_wk | lulz0r: Your paste doesn't want to load from here. Try paste.debian.net. |
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| 19:57.37 | lulz0r | jhutchins_wk http://paste.debian.net/4859/ |
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| 19:59.13 | jhutchins_wk | lulz0r: Now I understand less why this is a problem, the values actually look ok. |
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| 20:00.07 | jhutchins_wk | lulz0r: I'm also out of time. |
| 20:00.26 | lulz0r | jhutchins_wk Well, it doesn't recognize my cpu, I don't really know what temp1 and temp2 really are, but mostly the values never change, even if I put load on the cpu. |
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| 20:16.32 | mullein | weird, i thought confluence listens on 8090 by default, but README.txt says that it's 8080? |
| 20:17.20 | mns | Is there a way to restart X11 ? I can ssh to the system, but I do not want to reboot it. I've tried /etc/init.d/xdm stop && /etc/init.d/xdm start but it doesn't do anything. The monitor is still showing up blank and mouse movement does not trigger anything. |
| 20:17.55 | mns | This is happening after doing an aptitude safe-upgrade this morning. I'm using Debian/testing btw. |
| 20:18.18 | DammitJim | mns is that jesie? |
| 20:18.20 | sanmarcos | mns: just kill the process |
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| 20:19.21 | lulz0r | jhutchins_wk: No idea? :( |
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| 20:26.30 | netlar | Does cinnamon work well with Debian? |
| 20:26.50 | jimcooncat | I got upset when recent squeeze kernel update messed up my keyboard/mouse. I'll just upgrade, but can I avoid this in the future? Can I set up wheezy so I can fall back to a previous kernel when I upgrade again? |
| 20:27.14 | ompaul | ,v cinnamon |
| 20:27.15 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.4-2; sid: 1.7.4-2 |
| 20:27.45 | ompaul | netlar: it's not in debian stable |
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| 20:28.12 | netlar | ompaul: but can be installed? |
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| 20:28.59 | ompaul | you can install it on testing - which is called testing for a reason |
| 20:29.08 | netlar | I am on Ubuntu now, and want to move over to a more stable distro |
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| 20:29.52 | ompaul | netlar: I have no idea, nor do I want to know how stable Ubuntu is |
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| 20:31.07 | ompaul | netlar: if you want to you will be on the testing version until it is released |
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| 20:31.38 | netlar | The stable release comes with gnome 3? |
| 20:31.48 | ompaul | netlar: mostly if you are willing to accept a few things missing the boat now and again you can run testing, however I suggest you run gnome classic on stable |
| 20:31.56 | ompaul | which is 3 but not unity like |
| 20:32.04 | ompaul | !wheezy |
| 20:32.04 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. |
| 20:33.02 | netlar | thanks ompaul |
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| 20:37.53 | Elements_of_inst | Hello all! How can I define what operating system runs my web hosting provider? |
| 20:39.45 | ompaul | Elements_of_inst: you ask them what do they run |
| 20:39.50 | Elements_of_inst | :) |
| 20:40.38 | lulz0r | Guys, I just want my cpu temps, can't be that hard?^^ |
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| 20:41.03 | Elements_of_inst | ompaul, ok, how i can decide what hosting to hire for website i am currently running website with 5000+ hosts a day, but it is a shared virtual hosting and website most of the time is down, how to determine if i need VPS, VDS or dedicated server? |
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| 20:41.30 | ompaul | Elements_of_inst: ask the sales dept of the provider |
| 20:41.40 | exim-mta | what's the command to convert /etc/postfix/generic to generic.db? |
| 20:41.45 | Elements_of_inst | ompaul, :))))) |
| 20:42.31 | Elements_of_inst | ompaul, i enjoy having conversation only with you:) |
| 20:42.44 | ompaul | Elements_of_inst: I didn't say you angry bro? |
| 20:43.06 | Elements_of_inst | ompaul, why should I?:) |
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| 20:44.23 | pan_ | is there a new package name for deb-multimedia-keyring? |
| 20:44.29 | pan_ | apt cant find it |
| 20:44.29 | ompaul | exim-mta: postmap generic ; postfix reload |
| 20:45.22 | mns | sanmarcos: I did kill the process and restart it, but still nothing. |
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| 20:45.58 | ompaul | pan_: if this apt-cache search multim keyri shows nothing - perhaps adding the repo would be a good idea |
| 20:46.53 | ompaul | mns: if you do safe upgrades on testing you will hold stuff you want i.e. the new stuff, prevent old stuff from being cast off, and generally have a horrid time |
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| 20:47.30 | ompaul | mns: you sould consider apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade it's just cleaner - the other will try to resolve conflicts great idea but you say you are running testing - not great there |
| 20:48.02 | mns | ompaul: ok thanks. I'll try that and see what happens with it. |
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| 20:49.09 | zykotick9 | pan_: add deb-multimedia repo, run "aptitude/apt-get update", answer YES, then add the deb-multimedia-keyring package, then update again. |
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| 20:49.30 | mns | ompaul: for the most part I've not had any problems. I guess around the time when a new release is made it makes sense to do dist-upgrade. |
| 20:49.34 | smw | anyone seen this before? I am getting odd results with apt-get. When I try to install linux-headers-3.8-2-amd64/unstable it is not giving me an error, but it isn't installing the package either. I am having no problems with other packages. http://fpaste.org/12697/36877452/ |
| 20:49.50 | zykotick9 | pan_: BUT, personally, i'd try to avoid deb-multimedia if possible... |
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| 20:50.29 | ompaul | pan_: actually as zykotick9 says avoid it, use it only for codecs you can't find elsewhere local governance may vary have fun |
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| 20:50.55 | pan_ | zykotick9, thanks for the advice, why would you avoid multimedia? j |
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| 20:51.31 | ChibaPet | Is there a way to something like apt-rdepends out of apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:51.36 | ChibaPet | to get something* |
| 20:51.39 | zykotick9 | pan_: it's known to cause problems... plus, it's not "debian" but a 3rd party repo (run by a DD) |
| 20:51.56 | leysen | I have a Asus UX32VD laptop running Linux 3.8, but my internal mic (and line in port) are not functioning at all |
| 20:52.02 | leysen | How can I test this |
| 20:52.02 | pan_ | zykotick9, thanks for the information. I always thought it was part of debian. |
| 20:52.55 | moof2 | leysen, 3.0 is prety old... want to upgrade? |
| 20:52.57 | zykotick9 | pan_: i use to use it for mythtv... myself. never gave me too much grief, but it certainly can. |
| 20:53.15 | leysen | moof2: I said 3.8 :P |
| 20:53.58 | moof2 | oh, there';s not a debian version called 3.8... what's your debian version? |
| 20:54.28 | moof2 | also do you mean your kernel is at 3.8? |
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| 20:58.03 | Sebboh | Bah, #debian-next only on oftc. Silly... |
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| 21:01.25 | moof2 | leysen, which sound drivers are you using? has sound ever worked with whatever "3.8" is? with your version of debian? if no, can you describe what happened at the time? if yes, what version did it work with? has your sound ever worked on this hardware on any os? |
| 21:01.32 | csehl | the package 'ufstools' will not enable me to moung ufs, right? i will need to make these kernel settings |
| 21:01.43 | csehl | s/moung/mount |
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| 21:03.09 | zykotick9 | csehl: i think you're missing a trailing / there ;) so s/moung/mount/ |
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| 21:04.51 | mns | got it ! the /var/run/xdm.pid file of the previous xdm was still laying around, that's why it wouldn't start ! |
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| 21:05.15 | moof2 | hmm, that seems like a bug |
| 21:05.38 | moof2 | upon starting and discovering that file, it should remove and log |
| 21:05.54 | csehl | zykotick9: sorry, s/s\/moung\/mount/s\/moung\/mount\/ hmm |
| 21:06.13 | moof2 | well not just remove, it should check the pid to see if it exists |
| 21:07.13 | zykotick9 | csehl: ohh, now i know what you meant ;) |
| 21:07.43 | csehl | zykotick9: phew |
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| 21:08.22 | moof2 | aaannnd you still need a trailing slash! |
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| 21:08.38 | csehl | AAAH |
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| 21:09.08 | csehl | now its getting complicated. comon, just read and write UFS out of the box. its not dangerous |
| 21:09.29 | moof2 | howbout this: s@s/moung/mount@s/moung/mount/@ |
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| 21:10.34 | moof2 | is ufs not supported outofbox by debian kernels? |
| 21:11.02 | mo1991 | For anyone who is interested, I finally found a way of getting compiz .88 stable to run on wheezy. There is a for for mate called compiz-mate that allows .88 compiz to run. Requires a few of the mate files from linux mint debian addition and the forked compiz .88 files - runs great on XFCE wheezy. Much better than any of the old, unstable versions available for Debian. |
| 21:11.05 | csehl | read-only, writing needs some 'experimental' kernel options enabled |
| 21:12.18 | csehl | at least in this ageold 3.4.38 rescue debian |
| 21:12.44 | zykotick9 | mo1991: while there was a time when i did run compiz, i view it as a GIANT waste of resources these days... i doubt it's popular with the debian-crowd, but maybe? |
| 21:13.08 | moof2 | oh, ufs support considered experimental? |
| 21:14.00 | csehl | and i cant change kernel options, since this debian is not persistent. maybe it is possible somehow. but thats black magic voodoo science without rebooting |
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| 21:15.14 | mo1991 | Just figured I'd mention it, I really like the cube for running remmina into my winblows work machine on one side of the cube, etc. I just like some of the easily programmable keys for switching apps, desktops that are visually easier to see on my various monitors. XFCE runs nice on 3 seperate x servrs each with the cube running independently. |
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| 21:16.32 | DANtheBEASTman | how do I work with /etc/fstab.d/ ? google ins't much help here |
| 21:16.33 | mo1991 | plus, I've tried other distributions and really none of them have a stable compiz let alone a stable base OS, so it's nice to finally have both on a fresh wheezy box |
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| 21:18.47 | zykotick9 | DANtheBEASTman: i was surprised i had a /etc/fstab.d/ (running wheezy). why can't you just use fstab exactly? i can see where /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d could be usefully, but why fstab? |
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| 21:20.38 | DANtheBEASTman | zykotick9: I'm installing wheezy after doing a debootstrap.. I have no fstab, only an empty /etc/fstab.d/ dir. i could write a simple /etc/fstab but I was interested in using conf.d style which I've never really used |
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| 21:23.19 | r3m | ,v wikid |
| 21:23.21 | judd | No package named 'wikid' was found in i386. |
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| 21:24.17 | leysen | moof2: What do you mean whatever "3.8" is... I said I was running Linux 3.8 which should tell you exactly what software I am running is version 3.8. It is Debian sid and no, mic and line in has never worked under Debian. |
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| 21:25.14 | leysen | I would assume, as per usual, that the sound drivers are in ALSA |
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| 21:25.42 | leysen | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
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| 21:37.01 | jonathanpoon | hi everyone, I write a custom c++ code that outputs binary data. For some reason, the program stops writing data after the file reaches 4294967324 in size |
| 21:37.11 | jonathanpoon | is that a filesystem issue? |
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| 21:38.45 | unborn | 0o |
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| 21:39.37 | smw | jonathanpoon, depends on the filesystem |
| 21:39.49 | jonathanpoon | I'm using EXT4 |
| 21:40.03 | smw | jonathanpoon, no, it is not the filesystem's fault. It is probably your program |
| 21:40.31 | NoDLL | hello, does someone here have done benchmarks ove the haproxy and nginx versions available at debian's mirrors? |
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| 21:40.43 | NoDLL | err/ove/over |
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| 21:50.10 | htor | hi! does nm work well (and integrate) with gnome3? |
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| 21:50.38 | htor | sitting on wheezy and wanting to choose a good network manager |
| 21:51.11 | DANtheBEASTman | htor yes |
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| 21:52.01 | htor | DANtheBEASTman: ok. are my choices here nm, wicd or manually connecting with wpa_supplicant= |
| 21:52.08 | DANtheBEASTman | nm |
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| 21:52.36 | htor | DANtheBEASTman: okay, i'll go for that one |
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| 21:57.09 | htor | holy snappels, it was already installed and it's working properly after iwlwifi firmware installation - too bad my wifi card is borked to hell |
| 21:57.24 | htor | :-( me wants new wifi-card |
| 21:57.27 | pan_ | why is visudo a thing? why cant I just use nano to edit sudo? |
| 21:57.40 | pan_ | dumb question |
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| 21:57.43 | pan_ | i am using nano |
| 21:57.52 | pan_ | but why is it not nano /path/to/sudo |
| 21:58.17 | moof2 | visudo must be some short script you could read to see what else it does |
| 21:58.36 | zykotick9 | pan_: fyi, ususally the easiest way to add a user to the sudo, is add them to the sudo group. no visudo required. |
| 21:58.39 | htor | pan_: man visudo # tells you alot |
| 21:58.55 | pan_ | thanks |
| 21:58.55 | beardy | visudo performs some sanity checks so you don't lock yourself out or do anything stupid. Yes, read the manual. |
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| 21:59.56 | berarma | what's the best way to handle binNMU packages in multi-arch Jessie for now? |
| 22:00.59 | berarma | I'm trying to install some i386 packages together with their amd64 counterparts what there's a conflict in the changelogs |
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| 22:05.47 | Elements_of_inst | Hello all! What security measures should i use for deploying webserver on Debian Dedicated Server? |
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| 22:07.15 | rwp | dpkg tell berarma about multiarch |
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| 22:08.51 | berarma | thanks rwp |
| 22:09.00 | berarma | this guy, dpkg, always knows about everything |
| 22:09.10 | rwp | chuckles |
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| 22:10.11 | rwp | I am not running any multiarch myself. No need so I avoid it. So I don't know about any specific problems with binnmu packages. Although I can assume. |
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| 22:10.37 | Haylilfut | hi is there a linux 3.2 update ? |
| 22:10.46 | Haylilfut | or did i jus install sumthin wrong |
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| 22:12.44 | smw | Haylilfut, there is |
| 22:12.51 | Haylilfut | 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 |
| 22:12.56 | Haylilfut | this looks weird |
| 22:13.00 | Haylilfut | :$ |
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| 22:13.24 | smw | Haylilfut, looks good to me |
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| 22:13.48 | Haylilfut | when did this come out |
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| 22:14.06 | smw | yesterday I think. I don't remember |
| 22:14.17 | smw | Haylilfut, it is an update from the security team |
| 22:14.34 | Haylilfut | hmm |
| 22:14.35 | LtL | Haylilfut: thats right, it came out today.. maybe yesterday |
| 22:14.47 | Haylilfut | why |
| 22:14.53 | Haylilfut | wat hapened |
| 22:14.59 | smw | Haylilfut, check the changelog :-) |
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| 22:15.49 | Haylilfut | im scared |
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| 22:16.29 | smw | Haylilfut, zcat /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz |less |
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| 22:17.25 | smw | Haylilfut, the last two version listed there are the new changes by the security team |
| 22:17.33 | rwp | Haylilfut http://www.debian.org/security/2013/dsa-2669 |
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| 22:19.42 | Haylilfut | For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in version 3.2.41-2+deb7u1. |
| 22:19.49 | Haylilfut | ok this is the text i needed |
| 22:19.57 | Haylilfut | kekeke |
| 22:21.11 | Haylilfut | jus thot the deb7up2 part was sum kinda bpo crapp |
| 22:21.15 | Haylilfut | that came from sid |
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| 22:22.21 | franco00 | hello debianers: my /etc/X11/kxb/ folder is totally empty. What should I apt-get to fill it? |
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| 22:22.45 | franco00 | Pardon the naive question, but I had to install debian on this machine in a pretty unusual way. |
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| 22:24.00 | berarma | franco00: more weird than naive |
| 22:25.00 | smw | Haylilfut, deb7u2 means Debian 7.0 (Wheezy) update 2 |
| 22:25.21 | Haylilfut | ya i parsed it that way too |
| 22:25.43 | franco00 | berarma: indeed. But as I said, I could not use the installer, had to install a *really* barebone system and I probably forgot to apt-get some important package. In case you all are wondering, this probably will help me in solving the "type ONE_LEVEL has 1 levels, etc. etc." problem. |
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| 22:26.29 | olivier_bK | hi |
| 22:27.07 | olivier_bK | i have a question i use this command for compress all log file find ./ -name '*.log.1' -exec bzip2 -f {} \; & |
| 22:27.20 | olivier_bK | but whit one file +3go |
| 22:27.38 | olivier_bK | he do nothing he compress only 18mb and that it |
| 22:27.47 | berarma | franco00: better pastebin the error message and explain what you were doing |
| 22:28.44 | berarma | olivier_bK: log files are usually compressed automatically, you rather not mess with them |
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| 22:29.37 | olivier_bK | evan when you have only xx.log |
| 22:29.38 | olivier_bK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:29.46 | leku | hi got a weird problem happening |
| 22:29.49 | olivier_bK | even when you have only xx.log sorry |
| 22:30.06 | leku | when I logged into xfce today (aptosid) I was logged out/session killed and sent back to lightdm 3 times now |
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| 22:31.32 | mumpitzel | !aptosid |
| 22:31.32 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:31.51 | leku | :) ok |
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| 22:31.53 | olivier_bK | berarma, even when you have only xx.log sorry |
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| 22:32.08 | berarma | olivier_bK: I don't know what you mean |
| 22:32.33 | olivier_bK | berarma, the file with extension .log are not compressed |
| 22:32.36 | olivier_bK | ? |
| 22:32.56 | berarma | olivier_bK: no, only the archived copies |
| 22:33.08 | olivier_bK | okai |
| 22:33.22 | berarma | *.log files shouldn't be compressed since they're being written by processes |
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| 22:34.09 | olivier_bK | i understand |
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| 22:43.13 | aoeusnth | I am in the upgrade process and there is a big list of what looks like software change notes. eg. one entry titled: ifupdown (0.7~rc1+experimental) experimental; urgency=low. My question is why is it showing me things from unstable and experimental channels, because I'm on stable channel? |
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| 22:47.08 | franco00 | berarma: this is what happens when I startx http://paste.debian.net/4881/ the problem I am trying to fix happens on line 18-19. (Why fix it? Because I can t use us_intl keyboard otherwise) |
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| 22:49.29 | franco00 | a quick search pointed me towards /etc/X11/xkb/ berarma . But alas, nothing there |
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| 22:49.59 | berarma | franco00: that doesn't seem to be the problem |
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| 22:50.45 | franco00 | berarma: may I ask you why you think so? |
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| 22:51.26 | debwalker | hey guys |
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| 22:51.42 | berarma | ah, sorry, you're problem is the keyboard layout |
| 22:51.47 | berarma | your* |
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| 22:52.49 | franco00 | berarma: basically, I can setxkbdmap us intl, but two dead keys are not working |
| 22:53.14 | berarma | try installing xkb-data |
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| 22:53.42 | berarma | althout I would install the xorg package to be sure nothing is missing |
| 22:54.02 | franco00 | already the newest version, both |
| 22:54.15 | franco00 | (that was what puzzled me) |
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| 22:54.38 | berarma | sorry, I only can advise you to install xorg |
| 22:55.04 | berarma | you can tell it not to install recommends nor suggests if you want a minimal install |
| 22:55.09 | franco00 | no worries berarma ;), I am sure sooner or later I will fix it! |
| 22:55.44 | Rix | how much swap would be normal for 32gb ram server (i've put 4gb, but now im thinking of making it 8 or even 12) |
| 22:55.58 | debwalker | I have on my setup.. x11-xkb-utils + xkb-data, mine keymap is ok |
| 22:56.08 | debwalker | though I do not use us keymap |
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| 22:57.02 | debwalker | 32gb ram, nice. |
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| 22:57.18 | franco00 | debwalker: seems I have both :s is your /etc/X11/xkb/ folder empty? |
| 22:57.30 | debwalker | yep empty |
| 22:57.39 | franco00 | thanks |
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| 22:58.27 | berarma | Rix: the same amount as ram is needed to hibernate |
| 22:58.39 | debwalker | and you have xserver-xorg-input-kbd? That's the driver I use for a setup free of automagic crap |
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| 22:58.56 | Rix | i will make hibernation, but is there a problem to put much swap? like 32gb swap? |
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| 22:59.16 | debwalker | if you want hibernation you usually need more than the same size of your ram |
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| 22:59.45 | berarma | Rix: I think it shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:59.49 | debwalker | I think it's x2 the size of your ram needed usually.. but you got a lot of ram so you should check the hibernate feature somewhere on google |
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| 22:59.58 | berarma | no experience with that amount of ram though |
| 22:59.59 | Rix | thanks |
| 23:00.02 | franco00 | why would you hibernate a server, though? |
| 23:00.11 | Rix | yep no one would |
| 23:00.41 | debwalker | but you basically need enough swap to cover both the size of the ram + any data the 'hibernate' feature uses, so minimum is probably 36GB |
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| 23:01.14 | debwalker | or yeah don't hibernate it :P |
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| 23:01.27 | berarma | debwalker: just the size of the ram |
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| 23:03.23 | debwalker | hey i wondered.. anyone else have some net issue with insane latency / jitter / slow speed lately in last two weeks? I know there was all that hype about 'global slow down'.. just wondered if all that is still an issue |
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| 23:04.13 | franco00 | you mean, over the internet? Haven t really noticed |
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| 23:04.25 | debwalker | yeah on the internet |
| 23:04.37 | surfn_ | hi |
| 23:05.02 | debwalker | I have no slow down just some general net issues and wondered if I should eliminate that problem as an issue |
| 23:05.28 | surfn_ | how do I make this line permanent? "xrandr -display :3.0 --output HDMI-1 --set underscan on" |
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| 23:06.42 | debwalker | is it amd? |
| 23:06.45 | debwalker | ati? |
| 23:07.09 | debwalker | the graphics card i mean |
| 23:07.13 | surfn_ | debwalker: are you asking me? |
| 23:07.17 | debwalker | yep |
| 23:07.18 | surfn_ | its Nvidia |
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| 23:08.03 | surfn_ | Nvidia Ion |
| 23:08.06 | debwalker | ah, i found a link showing how to do it in amd/ati, but it looks like it's also a feature for nvidia |
| 23:08.06 | useless-eater | 'upgrading' to jessie would be a good thing for a desktop? |
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| 23:08.13 | moof2 | mumbles about dracut... how did I get this thing |
| 23:08.35 | debwalker | useless-eater, right now jessie and wheezy are not much different |
| 23:08.42 | moof2 | what is "good thing"? |
| 23:08.43 | surfn_ | basically, I have to type that line everytime i boot |
| 23:08.46 | debwalker | wheezy is not even 2 weeks old i think |
| 23:09.20 | useless-eater | is there any real difference between jessie and testing, other than testing being testing after debian 8 becomes stable? |
| 23:09.31 | moof2 | jessie is testing |
| 23:09.36 | moof2 | so there is no difference |
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| 23:09.36 | berarma | surfn_: you can put it in ~/.xsession |
| 23:09.54 | useless-eater | moof2: ok, no difference until debian 8 becomes stable. |
| 23:10.01 | debwalker | look in the nvidia readme for Overscan Compensation |
| 23:10.24 | debwalker | useless-eater, there will be much difference in 3-6 months maybe |
| 23:10.29 | moof2 | I thought you were asking about now :) I make that mistake pretty often... |
| 23:10.56 | surfn_ | berarma: is ~/.xsession an empty file otherwise? |
| 23:10.57 | debwalker | but in wheezy you things are a little more recent than squeeze + you'll get regression fixes etc |
| 23:11.04 | berarma | surfn_: yes |
| 23:11.08 | moof2 | there will still be no difference between jessie and testing (as you say until jessie is released) |
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| 23:11.30 | surfn_ | berarma: do I want it in my user's xsession or root? |
| 23:11.42 | berarma | I don't know :-) |
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| 23:13.23 | debwalker | has anyone seen this issue using codel?.. qdisc fq_codel 8003: dev eth0 root refcnt 2 [Unknown qdisc, optlen=48] |
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| 23:15.18 | moof2 | useless-eater, as far as your sources.list, use either wheezy or jessie (NOT testing, NOT stable) |
| 23:15.45 | moof2 | unless you like VERY BIG surprises :) |
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| 23:15.53 | useless-eater | moof2: why not use testing? |
| 23:16.01 | debwalker | I thought jessie was the new codename for testing? |
| 23:16.08 | moof2 | because it will change when release happens |
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| 23:16.20 | franco00 | because you are not pinpointing a specific release |
| 23:16.40 | moof2 | you'll get very large updates and not (initially) know why |
| 23:16.40 | franco00 | and as moof2 just stated, when there will be a new testing you will have some surprises |
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| 23:17.10 | debwalker | but isn't testing just a symlink to jessie? |
| 23:17.35 | franco00 | sometimes in the future that symlink will change |
| 23:17.48 | debwalker | ah |
| 23:17.53 | useless-eater | oh, but the upgrades are the same if using jessie or testing in apt.sources right? other than things changing in the far future. |
| 23:17.59 | moof2 | and when that symlink moves, if hes not aware upgrade happens, surprise! |
| 23:18.37 | franco00 | yes useless-eater , but really, I see little point in using testing / stable instead of wheezy / jessie |
| 23:18.42 | moof2 | I would imagine he would rather have choice |
| 23:18.56 | franco00 | sid is sid |
| 23:19.01 | useless-eater | ok, I see then :) |
| 23:19.08 | debwalker | hm true, I usually use that symlink though.. probably I won't use that until there is significant changes in testing |
| 23:19.13 | useless-eater | sid on desktop is common? |
| 23:19.20 | debwalker | I wouldn't use SID |
| 23:19.35 | debwalker | Use it on something that you don't care about if it breaks or not |
| 23:19.38 | franco00 | kind of, I used it because it was the only one which worked on armhf |
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| 23:19.54 | moof2 | if you use sid for real work, I hope you like maintaing daily full backups :) or maybe hourly |
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| 23:20.13 | debwalker | on sid you'll definately have to fix things |
| 23:20.18 | franco00 | basically usable as any other distro out there, but not as ironed out as stable or testing |
| 23:20.29 | franco00 | I would *never* use it on my work machine |
| 23:20.37 | useless-eater | ok |
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| 23:20.40 | moof2 | what is this dracut thing, did it replace debian tools, and if so -why-? |
| 23:20.40 | franco00 | still, home pc? That would do. |
| 23:20.53 | debwalker | what makes me laugh at testing is it's hardly broken like you'd expect it to be with another distro, debian is just hardcore for stability :D |
| 23:21.20 | debwalker | I used testing now for years not once a break |
| 23:21.45 | foubarre | hello. I am looking for 3.4.29+ linux-headers for ARMHF. I went to packages.debian.org but could not find anything approaching. Do you have any idea of where i can get them? |
| 23:22.09 | franco00 | foubarre: what machine are you using? |
| 23:22.11 | moof2 | and "testing" in your sources.list? or did you track a specific dist? |
| 23:22.39 | foubarre | franco00: MK802 clone. (pqlabs A100, based on AllWinnerA10 ) |
| 23:22.42 | debwalker | moof2, yeah testing was in there but recently I did not update a thing as wheezy was released that's my 'clean install' day :) |
| 23:23.09 | debwalker | I noticed the graph showing small amount of bugs so didn't bother 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 23:23.24 | franco00 | foubarre: don t they have their own repos? |
| 23:23.36 | franco00 | (like most armhf thingies) |
| 23:23.54 | moof2 | I have a fuzzy understanding of that... so I guess you installed wheezy from, umm, the cd? |
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| 23:24.10 | moof2 | maybe debian doesn't carry that kernel version yet |
| 23:24.14 | foubarre | franco00: well, i don't know. I'm pretty new to this. |
| 23:24.56 | debwalker | yeah exactly, as xfs had some serious changes I wanted to try that on a new install.. and with wheezy coming out i didn't upgrade I just got a netinst image and did it from scratch |
| 23:25.08 | franco00 | I would check that. I know for sure genesi (another vendor) has theirs. |
| 23:25.51 | franco00 | goodnight folks, it has been a pleasure. |
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| 23:26.26 | foubarre | franco00: will check, thank you |
| 23:26.37 | franco00 | goood luck with it! |
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| 23:31.02 | moof2 | foubarre, are you running 3.4.29 now, with your debian install? |
| 23:31.49 | foubarre | moof2: yes. i am running this: https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/development/topics/debian-wheezy-lxde-armhf-build |
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| 23:32.13 | moof2 | maybe the headers package is there too? |
| 23:32.52 | foubarre | moof2: however, i need to compile iscsi-target module and m-a says it can not find the headers. Tried everything i could.. or so i think. |
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| 23:34.43 | foubarre | moof2: well, i could not find them. The person that released this seemed to indicate what i think could be a git hashsum (eb8520d2830ecc742c3d5c83680b0fe83e58bf7c) but i could not find hat it relates to. |
| 23:34.48 | foubarre | +w |
| 23:35.28 | debwalker | eh, anyone know how I can file a bug against a package without going through the tedius process of setting up stmp mail? |
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| 23:37.15 | moof2 | debwalker, if you have debian, you should have an MTA (if not, things will break occasionally) |
| 23:37.29 | surfn_ | half step forward - two steps back. |
| 23:37.35 | debwalker | yeah but outgoing mail setting it up is annoying |
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| 23:37.50 | surfn_ | I can't get x11 forwarding to work - can someone help? |
| 23:37.57 | debwalker | also I turn the mail client off and live in blissful ignorance of anything I should take care of :) |
| 23:38.10 | moof2 | ssh -X (site) |
| 23:38.13 | surfn_ | nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config - done that part |
| 23:38.34 | surfn_ | moof2: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 23:39.37 | moof2 | are you using different OSes? |
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| 23:40.57 | debwalker | hm reminds me i need logrotate hehe |
| 23:41.34 | surfn_ | moof2: kubuntu 12.04 as client and Debian Wheezy as host |
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| 23:42.53 | moof2 | foubarre, so that link (https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/development/topics/debian-wheezy-lxde-armhf-build) is breaking my browser, everything is annoyingly slow... |
| 23:43.30 | surfn_ | moof2: any other suggestions? |
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| 23:45.11 | foubarre | moof2: err. don't know what happens, looks fast here even with cache cleared... =s |
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| 23:47.44 | foubarre | moof2: oh, i think i have found something... https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/tree/eb8520d2830ecc742c3d5c83680b0fe83e58bf7c |
| 23:48.02 | foubarre | moof2: that is the branch the kernel was generated from. |
| 23:48.21 | foubarre | moof2: any idea on how i can get the headers from there? |
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| 23:48.50 | fleeky | is there something like a routing web front end like tomato or open-wrt but for a debian server ? |
| 23:48.59 | moof2 | well the headers are generated when you build the kernel |
| 23:49.17 | moof2 | some of them anyway |
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| 23:49.50 | moof2 | debian has a packaging script for kernels and headers, you could look into using those |
| 23:50.39 | foubarre | moof2: yes, will look for that. Thanks a lot. Heading to google.. |
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| 23:50.58 | debwalker | fleeky I don't know about that but there are specialised distros for that |
| 23:51.37 | moof2 | you also want to find experienced people, experienced with the arm device and debian on it and cross compiling kernels to it |
| 23:51.41 | fleeky | hrm |
| 23:51.47 | fleeky | thanks debhelper |
| 23:51.53 | debwalker | alpine linux is an example of a specialised distro.. it is a hardened distro too |
| 23:51.53 | fleeky | debwalker that is |
| 23:52.04 | debwalker | there is another one but I forgot the name now |
| 23:52.05 | moof2 | I have none of that |
| 23:52.12 | foubarre | moof2: yes, that would certainly help. But you were of a great great help.. |
| 23:52.14 | debwalker | it looked a lot simpler |
| 23:52.51 | fleeky | its kindof amazing that there arent more routing web-frontends for debian |
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| 23:53.02 | debwalker | here you go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_router_or_firewall_distributions |
| 23:53.22 | debwalker | Well, maybe there are.. it's hard to say as there are tens of thousands of packages |
| 23:53.27 | moof2 | well howbout that part everyone? can you use make-kpkg to crossbuild a kernel, and package it and its headers? |
| 23:53.42 | dorphalsig | Hello. I'm trying to print to a USB printer from the command line. However it takes about 5 minutes for the printer to actually do something |
| 23:53.47 | fleeky | hmm |
| 23:53.59 | fleeky | well thanks debwalker , my search continues :) |
| 23:54.00 | dorphalsig | can anybody give me a hand? |
| 23:54.35 | debwalker | I would look in that general direction in any case because they will have certain scripts or kernel builds etc to do all that |
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| 23:55.19 | debwalker | interesting looking project: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWRT |
| 23:55.20 | fleeky | yeah maybe i can glean some software package lists from it |
| 23:55.27 | moof2 | fleeky, a routing front end? what would it control? |
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| 23:56.22 | fleeky | moof2: that is also a good question , im guessing a mix of iptables/chains/host files? |
| 23:56.39 | moof2 | it's considered a bit unsafe if for example you run a machine with a routing function that also has services running on it |
| 23:57.18 | fleeky | speaking of that , is it considered unsafe to try to run multiple virtualboxes for different needs? |
| 23:57.27 | fleeky | so say you would run a debianwrt virtualbox for your routing |
| 23:57.38 | fleeky | and then services in another virtualbox |
| 23:57.41 | debwalker | use hardware vm |
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| 23:57.51 | debwalker | or use xen |
| 23:57.55 | fleeky | moof2: also why is that considered unsafe ? |
| 23:58.02 | fleeky | debwalker: why is that ? |
| 23:58.12 | fleeky | just better performance? |
| 23:58.41 | debwalker | I think better performance and isolation.. not too sure the exact features |
| 23:58.47 | fleeky | ahk |
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| 23:59.22 | moof2 | I think he's suggesting that because virtualization is possible, and sometimes convenient... for example if you don't have a spare box lying around, maybe you can set up virtualization |
| 23:59.36 | debwalker | yes exactly |
| 23:59.39 | fleeky | yes |
| 23:59.51 | fleeky | the other question : why is it unsafe to do routing and services in the same box |
| 23:59.57 | fleeky | since i was not aware of this honestly |
