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| 00:00.12 | debwalker | but I do think that seperate boxes are better still |
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| 00:00.22 | moof2 | say your routing function would be directly facing the open internet |
| 00:00.38 | fleeky | yes thats the intent |
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| 00:00.43 | debwalker | and.. because of projects like / akin to openwrt I personally would not use a spare box for a router |
| 00:00.57 | moof2 | then (potentially anyway) you're poking holes in your firewall |
| 00:01.06 | debwalker | partly because I can get a switch on those devices too, with vlans |
| 00:01.47 | fleeky | i see what your saying moof2 , |
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| 00:02.01 | moof2 | you wouldn't want outsiders connecting to the web frontend and twiddling |
| 00:02.13 | debwalker | that's why the need for a specialised distro I think |
| 00:02.43 | fleeky | well then you would just make the webfrontend accessible to the internal network only |
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| 00:02.56 | fleeky | essentially how the routers themselves do it .. |
| 00:02.58 | debwalker | If you just setup debian and say 'I'm going to make a router', now you need to know reams and reams of stuff about routing, firewalls and isolation |
| 00:03.00 | moof2 | right |
| 00:03.22 | fleeky | debwalker: thats why i havent completely gone full retard and exposed my system to the outside world :) |
| 00:03.27 | fleeky | but am trying to move in that direction |
| 00:03.38 | fleeky | i guess ill just keep reading up on iptables and such |
| 00:03.48 | debwalker | you want your box plugged straight into the modem? |
| 00:03.52 | fleeky | yeah |
| 00:03.54 | fleeky | bridged |
| 00:03.58 | moof2 | there's this old package called ipmasq which the maint gave up on... it's probably in an archive somewhere |
| 00:04.00 | debwalker | ah |
| 00:04.14 | fleeky | moof2: thanks ill look it up |
| 00:04.56 | debwalker | I had my box like that once.. my main box that is |
| 00:05.13 | debwalker | but that was in the day.. i was using bastille to take care of business then |
| 00:05.21 | fleeky | bastille? |
| 00:05.28 | dorphalsig | Hello? |
| 00:05.32 | debwalker | now routers are standard issue and you can do that stress free :) |
| 00:05.41 | fleeky | yeah the router i have is a pos |
| 00:05.47 | fleeky | constantly dies , |
| 00:05.58 | debwalker | it's a setup utility to harden your box for a variety of purposes |
| 00:06.00 | fleeky | so i just want it to be a dumb line connecter, and have the linux box handle all the real work |
| 00:06.05 | fleeky | hmm neat |
| 00:06.13 | debwalker | are you using cable or dsl? |
| 00:06.14 | moof2 | there's things you'd have to do to make it work with insserv... first, you have to make sure the interfaces involved are set to "auto (that interface)" in /etc/network/interfaces, then you have to add the insserv style header lines to the /etc/init.d/ipmasq |
| 00:06.18 | fleeky | dual bonded dsl |
| 00:06.49 | moof2 | so you'd potentially have to handle the bonding function too |
| 00:06.54 | debwalker | ah.. that's an issue for you no? the dual part I mean.. I'm thinking most routers don't do that? |
| 00:07.11 | debwalker | I'm guessing you know.. there are plugin cards for dsl |
| 00:07.26 | debwalker | but I think they are not popular or widely available so |
| 00:07.35 | fleeky | yeah , that was the problem |
| 00:07.39 | fleeky | also dualbonded ones |
| 00:07.43 | moof2 | it MAY be easier to buy/use a bonding device |
| 00:07.46 | fleeky | also , there expensive |
| 00:07.58 | fleeky | it is thats why i havent thrown the thing out completely :) |
| 00:08.09 | fleeky | in terms of the dual bonding |
| 00:08.16 | fleeky | the router is the modem |
| 00:08.18 | fleeky | so it handles that part |
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| 00:08.28 | fleeky | i just have to then handle all traffic and securityu |
| 00:08.31 | debwalker | personally I would hate the headache of dual bonding |
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| 00:08.48 | moof2 | ahh, so out of the router you get an eth? |
| 00:08.54 | fleeky | which its already realtively secure mostly i just need to setup some port opening for services |
| 00:08.57 | debwalker | if I felt I needed that I would throw out the adsl and get cable |
| 00:08.59 | fleeky | as currently everything from the outside is locked |
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| 00:09.08 | fleeky | yeah |
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| 00:09.19 | fleeky | this adsl is sweet, im on sonic.net |
| 00:09.22 | fleeky | they are a great company |
| 00:09.39 | fleeky | also 40mbps down , 5 up , and you can also change that to say 35 down and 10 up |
| 00:09.43 | rwcook35 | 3 |
| 00:09.43 | fleeky | depending on your preference |
| 00:10.02 | debwalker | annex M |
| 00:10.09 | debwalker | that is called |
| 00:10.21 | debwalker | where you sacrifice down for up |
| 00:10.30 | fleeky | i see |
| 00:10.32 | debwalker | I think anyway, assuming dual bonding is the same |
| 00:10.36 | fleeky | you know far more about this then i do :) |
| 00:10.42 | fleeky | sounds right to me |
| 00:10.50 | fleeky | i think i remember there tech explaining that to me |
| 00:11.05 | debwalker | also your line drops might not be just the router.. they could be SNR drops, or SNR spikes |
| 00:11.05 | fleeky | also the tech support for sonic.net actually know what there talking about, which is refreshing,, |
| 00:11.12 | fleeky | snr drops ? |
| 00:11.17 | fleeky | what are those |
| 00:11.27 | moof2 | so you have this dual bonding router... is it providing masq? |
| 00:11.36 | fleeky | i am pretty sure the line drops are happening because of connection amount saturation |
| 00:11.37 | debwalker | hm you need a primer for this hang on |
| 00:11.53 | fleeky | thats what i notice atleast |
| 00:11.55 | moof2 | also do you have more than one real IP> |
| 00:11.57 | debwalker | http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/connectionprobs.htm |
| 00:11.58 | fleeky | purely from observation though |
| 00:11.59 | fleeky | just one ip |
| 00:12.33 | moof2 | and you have one box on that one ip inside? |
| 00:12.39 | debwalker | if you see that, you could check for some symptoms before commiting yourself to something |
| 00:12.48 | fleeky | yeah but that box provides access to a lot of other boxes in the house |
| 00:13.02 | debwalker | but dual bonding might have specific issues that have nothing to do with that so I'm not completely sure |
| 00:13.09 | moof2 | so that box has an ip masq function? |
| 00:13.15 | fleeky | yes |
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| 00:13.18 | debwalker | but some people solved the issue by just putting a broadcom router their line |
| 00:13.25 | debwalker | on their line* |
| 00:13.35 | fleeky | ive got an eth0 to the router/modem and then an eth1 that connects to a switch which then connects to everyone else |
| 00:13.39 | moof2 | so that's the box you'd put the port forwarding on |
| 00:14.27 | moof2 | what os is on that box? |
| 00:14.37 | fleeky | the router/modem? |
| 00:14.42 | fleeky | or the main box |
| 00:14.47 | fleeky | main box is debian |
| 00:14.56 | moof2 | no, the box the router/modem is connected to |
| 00:15.03 | fleeky | yeah thats debian |
| 00:15.08 | moof2 | which one? |
| 00:15.17 | moof2 | what version of debian? |
| 00:15.22 | fleeky | i believe wheezy |
| 00:15.29 | moof2 | one sec |
| 00:15.40 | fleeky | running 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 00:16.43 | debwalker | when you say everyone else, you're not using a port on the switch? switches depending on type are useful for security so.. you should look into which type that is etc and if it provides some extra protection.. put the router in dmz > switch > box for routing |
| 00:17.44 | fleeky | well the router and the main box are on there own network |
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| 00:18.01 | fleeky | stuff underneath is on various different ones |
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| 00:19.02 | fleeky | the switch is just a gigabit 8 port , no security on it, all security is handled in the box itself so far.. and also currently in the router/modem |
| 00:19.25 | dorphalsig | Hello. I'm trying to print to /dev/usb/lp0, but it takes about 5 minutes for it to actually print anything. |
| 00:19.29 | dorphalsig | Can anybody help me out? |
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| 00:20.51 | moof2 | dorphalsig, are you using cups? |
| 00:21.16 | ohnonotagain | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ returns "mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'" mount -t ext4 allows me to mount it. How can I make it know it's ext4 and not think it's LVM? |
| 00:21.21 | dorphalsig | moof2 nope. Its a thinclient (ltsp) |
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| 00:23.59 | fleeky | debwalker: http://pastebin.com/tCjcQFkd |
| 00:24.11 | fleeky | so the snr margin is 6.3 down and 6 up |
| 00:24.35 | fleeky | the link you mentioned said to worry about anything lower then that |
| 00:24.39 | fleeky | although i guess that is on the edge |
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| 00:24.52 | debwalker | that seems roughly right |
| 00:25.01 | debwalker | especially as your attenuation is 13dB |
| 00:25.12 | debwalker | which suggests you're about 300-500 metres from the exchange probably :P |
| 00:25.16 | fleeky | yep |
| 00:25.19 | fleeky | super close |
| 00:25.20 | debwalker | either that or very high quality wiring all the way |
| 00:25.26 | fleeky | its definitely not the wiring |
| 00:25.39 | debwalker | so your line probably isn't a problem at all, maybe the router yeah |
| 00:26.09 | debwalker | is the exchange next door? lol |
| 00:26.16 | fleeky | almost |
| 00:26.24 | debwalker | just like a wire from you to them runs out their window or something |
| 00:26.27 | fleeky | haha |
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| 00:26.33 | debwalker | hell, go wireless :D |
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| 00:26.37 | fleeky | not quite but yeah there across the street and up the way |
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| 00:26.43 | fleeky | well the exchange is at&t |
| 00:26.49 | fleeky | but that would be pretty awesome |
| 00:26.57 | debwalker | we have a similar monopoly here |
| 00:27.02 | fleeky | essentially sonic.net rents lines through at&t |
| 00:27.08 | fleeky | and then i deal with sonic.net |
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| 00:27.12 | fleeky | which is much much bettter |
| 00:27.47 | debwalker | yes I know.. I am unfortunately stuck with the monopoly version right now, and want out of the contract (will not happen despite more or less refusal to fix my line issues) |
| 00:27.51 | fleeky | luckily because of the antitrust legal stuff that happend to at&t in like,,, the 90's ? they had to open up there lines to other carriers |
| 00:28.00 | fleeky | that sucks |
| 00:28.06 | fleeky | yeah im lucky to be in california |
| 00:28.10 | fleeky | and to have sonic.net |
| 00:28.13 | fleeky | they actually Lowered my price |
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| 00:28.20 | fleeky | at that point i switched to there dual bonded line |
| 00:28.33 | debwalker | there is a company here doing native ipv6 and promising a zero bottleneck from themselves |
| 00:28.39 | fleeky | nice |
| 00:28.42 | fleeky | where is that ? |
| 00:28.45 | fleeky | and what company |
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| 00:28.54 | debwalker | in the UK, and.. aaisp.net i think |
| 00:28.59 | fleeky | im going to be sad when ipv4 really goes away, theres no memorizing ipv6 ips |
| 00:29.06 | fleeky | ahh neat |
| 00:29.13 | debwalker | we'll get used to it I suppose |
| 00:29.18 | fleeky | unless your autistic i suppose |
| 00:29.24 | debwalker | hm true |
| 00:29.32 | fleeky | it will ultimately be better |
| 00:29.46 | debwalker | yes, no more NAT |
| 00:29.51 | fleeky | haha |
| 00:30.15 | debwalker | wave goodbye to NAT and probably shave off 1-2ms RTT in the process :) |
| 00:30.16 | fleeky | with enough ip's for every particle in the univers,, |
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| 00:30.46 | fleeky | ill take a few ms |
| 00:30.50 | debwalker | the migration I think will be more tough from the standpoint of 'How do I make each IP behind the router ipv6?' |
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| 00:31.13 | aoeusnth | I am in the upgrade process and there is a big list of what looks like software change notes. eg. one entry titled: ifupdown (0.7~rc1+experimental) experimental; urgency=low. My question is why is it showing me things from unstable and experimental channels, because I'm on stable channel? |
| 00:31.14 | fleeky | well also wont you basically need dns for internet networks at that point ? |
| 00:31.22 | fleeky | internal |
| 00:31.23 | fleeky | i meant |
| 00:31.24 | Dagger2 | debwalker: that is totally not a problem |
| 00:31.31 | Dagger2 | you run radvd, and everything gets v6 and you're done |
| 00:31.38 | fleeky | i mean you wont anymore be able to connection to 10.0.0.* |
| 00:31.41 | debwalker | I know it's no problem I just mean it's a transition headache for people |
| 00:31.43 | Dagger2 | the harder part is removing v4 from your network, but you don't need to do that yet |
| 00:31.51 | debwalker | ie one has to update their skills |
| 00:31.59 | fleeky | i guess you can keep ipv4 for internal networks |
| 00:32.03 | fleeky | and just use ipv6 for the world |
| 00:32.10 | Dagger2 | fleeky: I highly advise DNS for all networks |
| 00:32.10 | fleeky | seems easiest to me |
| 00:32.16 | fleeky | Dagger2: oh ? |
| 00:32.28 | fleeky | i was thinking of running dns on my main box |
| 00:32.36 | debwalker | recursive forwarding caching server.. unbound for example.. that is a real bad boy ;) |
| 00:32.40 | fleeky | but again im still learning a lot |
| 00:32.46 | moof2 | a lot of companies are using 10.* for their cable boxes and such |
| 00:32.48 | fleeky | so theres a lot of other things i have to learn first before i jump into that |
| 00:32.49 | Dagger2 | fleeky: however, note that v6 addresses can be selected to be shorter than v4 addresses, so if your concern is "I can't remember my addresses", then you should simply pick addresses that you can remember |
| 00:33.02 | fleeky | Dagger2: whaat ? |
| 00:33.03 | fleeky | really? |
| 00:33.09 | Dagger2 | (the major problem is /typing/ the addresses, which I admit is a pain in the fingers) |
| 00:33.21 | moof2 | for that... |
| 00:33.26 | moof2 | there's gtypist! |
| 00:33.27 | debwalker | no need to run on your main box.. I would consider that a security risk. Run on any old hardware you have but put a good disk in there maybe and run squid too :) |
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| 00:33.49 | fleeky | i only really have one box though :( |
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| 00:33.53 | Dagger2 | fleeky: for v4, your IP addresses are of the form "192.0.2.128 external, 192.168.0.2 internal", which is 64 bits |
| 00:34.09 | Dagger2 | fleeky: for v6, you can pick 2001:db8:42::2, which is about 50 bits |
| 00:34.14 | debwalker | fleeky, and no gizmos you can mod? |
| 00:34.31 | netlar | Hi, I am trying to make a bootable iso file, but it is not working. I am doing this from a mac. Can someone help me? |
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| 00:34.38 | moof2 | fleeky, maybe you can find someone to give you a box |
| 00:34.42 | fleeky | if the modem/router i had worked i would just run debianwrt off of that |
| 00:34.45 | fleeky | but not really no |
| 00:34.53 | fleeky | its really that much of a security hazard? |
| 00:35.02 | netlar | The file I downloaded from Debian is and iso |
| 00:35.05 | debwalker | it can be |
| 00:35.16 | debwalker | on your main box it can eat resources so I would suggest maybe maradns instead |
| 00:35.23 | debwalker | bind it to local ip only |
| 00:35.32 | debwalker | maybe run it in chroot or isolate it somehow |
| 00:35.39 | debwalker | should be a bit safer then |
| 00:35.47 | moof2 | if it's directly facing the internet, there does exist hazards (and sometimes even if not: I've run into situations where I couldn't trust the people -inside- the net) |
| 00:36.07 | fleeky | moof2: true about people inside ,, but i do keep tabs on them somewhat |
| 00:36.16 | fleeky | mostly because theyll take down the line and then i have to scold them |
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| 00:36.26 | moof2 | on purpose? |
| 00:36.34 | moof2 | err |
| 00:36.34 | fleeky | no by accident |
| 00:36.41 | fleeky | running bittorrent without any constraints for instance |
| 00:36.55 | moof2 | ahh, so that's a bit less of a trust issue |
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| 00:37.05 | fleeky | one guy uses cloud9 ide on amazon |
| 00:37.13 | fleeky | and that fucking cloud service takes my line down everynow and then |
| 00:37.18 | fleeky | i hate amazon cloud |
| 00:37.37 | moof2 | is that pretty wide, bandwidth-wise? |
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| 00:37.53 | fleeky | it was more the connection count for some reason |
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| 00:38.12 | fleeky | again , crappy router not being able to handle the amount of connections the house throws at it |
| 00:38.49 | moof2 | oh... so could it have been distributing cpu usage or something like that? and using your cpus and bw? |
| 00:39.07 | fleeky | bw ? |
| 00:39.11 | fleeky | oh bandwith |
| 00:39.13 | moof2 | bandwidth |
| 00:39.20 | debwalker | I would consider a new router tbh.. you really don't want to be doing routing on your own box |
| 00:39.22 | moof2 | yeah :) |
| 00:39.53 | fleeky | there was another reason why we want the main box to face the net but i cant remember right now |
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| 00:40.19 | debwalker | less latency introduced by nat on the router that can't handle it maybe? |
| 00:40.36 | debwalker | I just replaced a router here that was adding 12ms on a traceroute and 2ms on ping |
| 00:40.38 | fleeky | ugh i always |
| 00:40.40 | fleeky | forget |
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| 00:40.46 | fleeky | time to go, thanks so much for the help! |
| 00:40.53 | debwalker | alright, see you tc |
| 00:41.31 | aoeusnth | anyone? I am confused by what is on my screen |
| 00:41.52 | moof2 | the new router idea is good if it can forward ports |
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| 00:50.41 | jordilopezamat1 | Hi, i'm upgrading to Wheezy in my laptop while traveling ... the process it's taking more than one hour for downloading near to 1 GB of new packages, and i'm running out battery in 30min. |
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| 00:51.15 | debwalker | find an outlet or stop downloading |
| 00:51.32 | jordilopezamat1 | Question . ¿ is it possible to suspend the process until i get an outlet ? |
| 00:51.45 | debwalker | yeah you can hit control + c |
| 00:52.01 | debwalker | when you start to upgrade again it will have kept most of the packages in /var/cache/apt |
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| 00:52.20 | jordilopezamat1 | wow |
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| 00:52.39 | ohnonotagain | Hey guys. Somehow I modified my /boot partition to think it's an LVM. I tried to set it to type 83 with sfdisk, but whenever I try to mount it, it thinks it's an LVM. If I mount with *-t ext4*, it will work. How can I modify my HDD to know it's ext4 and not LVM2? |
| 00:52.46 | jordilopezamat1 | so i can interrupt the process and re-take it ... say tomorrow ? |
| 00:53.01 | jordilopezamat1 | awesome robustness. |
| 00:53.08 | debwalker | any time you like so long as you do not do 'apt-get clean' |
| 00:53.10 | moof2 | you can interrupt if it's downloading |
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| 00:53.27 | moof2 | if it's installing stuff, interrupting will cause bad juju |
| 00:53.38 | jordilopezamat1 | yay! |
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| 00:54.15 | jordilopezamat1 | so it's still ok while install process has not started yet... am i right ? |
| 00:54.41 | jordilopezamat1 | good to know! |
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| 00:54.53 | jordilopezamat1 | thanks |
| 00:55.00 | debwalker | yep, all it will mean is that current progress on a particular package is lost, as obviously you'll only have a fraction of that package, but it will know that and get it fresh |
| 00:55.06 | moof2 | yes, you just start it again with the same command line |
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| 00:55.43 | jordilopezamat1 | i love IRC |
| 00:56.49 | debwalker | it has it's moments :P |
| 00:57.06 | ohnonotagain | Is it possible to tell a partition what type of filesystem it is without reformatting the partition? My ext4 partition thinks it's LVM and contains data |
| 00:57.13 | moof2 | debwalker, ime, starts right up where it left off... the package would be in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 00:57.29 | moof2 | so it's even better :) |
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| 01:00.46 | phogg | ohnonotagain: blkid is one way |
| 01:01.44 | phogg | ohnonotagain: disregard that, misread your question... sorry |
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| 01:02.52 | ohnonotagain | phogg: Thanks for the suggestions. I changed the partition to 8e (by accident) and back to 83, but it thinks it's an LVM. BLKID just thought so too. If I mount with -t ext4 it works, so I know it's ext4 and I know data exists. I'm really stressingout on how to flip these bits around to tell it it's ext4. So frustrating |
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| 01:04.00 | phogg | ohnonotagain: perhaps fsck can fix it? I honestly don't know.... maybe it's time to learn the on disk format of ext4! |
| 01:04.22 | phogg | ohnonotagain: theoretically you could dd the relevant info from a good ext4 partition, if you knew the byte ranges involved |
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| 01:05.30 | ohnonotagain | The problem is that this being an LVM but not being an LVM is preventing me from accessing the second partiton which *is* an lvm and contains lots of data I need to grab >_< |
| 01:06.38 | ohnonotagain | phogg: http://pastie.org/7923807 |
| 01:06.52 | ohnonotagain | Afraid to hit 'y' :P |
| 01:07.50 | phogg | ohnonotagain: that fear is, as far as I know, justifiable. Without backups or further research I would not risk it. |
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| 01:09.02 | ohnonotagain | So, when I set my filesystem id to 83, that just means it can be any number of 'linux' fs types? (ie: ext2 ext3 ext4)? But there is no way to specify what type of filseystem it actually is? |
| 01:09.09 | Rix | -=03:55:38=- [jordilopezamat1!~jordilope@190.244.37.57] i love IRC |
| 01:09.10 | Rix | me too |
| 01:09.14 | Rix | im here since 1999 :) |
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| 01:14.42 | zykotick9 | ohnonotagain: partition and filesystem are separate things |
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| 01:37.25 | ohnonotagain | Will dd retain LVM information and blkid id? |
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| 01:54.15 | qman__ | yes, as it is an exact copy |
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| 02:01.33 | kanliot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:21.13 | sparky4 | this fucking bug |
| 02:21.16 | sparky4 | is bad |
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| 02:29.05 | chiel | has anyone here installed a htpc based on debian? |
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| 02:37.39 | seeker61 | trying to find c@ express for debian squeeze installed mono but all i got was documentation screen |
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| 02:42.57 | chiel | is the easiest way to install a fresh copy of wheezy on a machine without a dvd drive on a usb stick or so> |
| 02:43.01 | chiel | ? |
| 02:43.39 | somiaj | chiel: you can burn any of the netinstall/cd/dvd images to a usb drive and works (provided the machine boots from the usb drive) |
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| 02:51.37 | jordilopezamat | Hi guys, i need some help ! some weird thing happened during the upgrade to Wheezy |
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| 02:57.25 | jordilopezamat | in the run of 'apt-get dist-upgrade', while downloading the packages i had to ctrl+c , and when typing the same command again in order to restart the process... nothing happens ! I'm puzzled. Any hints ?! |
| 02:58.50 | jordilopezamat | a «APT::Immediate-Configure» related message is shown. |
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| 03:00.41 | moof2 | jordilopezamat, probably that plus any other part of the full output could be useful |
| 03:01.11 | moof2 | gist.github.com is a pastebin site; you can use that |
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| 03:02.42 | jordilopezamat | ok moof2 , thanks for your support... before pastebining, just to say that the rest of the message is in spanish... |
| 03:02.55 | moof2 | oh ok, then you can... |
| 03:03.30 | jordilopezamat | i can try to translate it for you, it's a couple of lines. |
| 03:03.41 | moof2 | run the command, and put this -before- it: LANG=C |
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| 03:04.57 | somiaj | sometimes errors can be read in another language. (: |
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| 03:05.27 | netlar | I am using the debian 7 live cd, but it is not recognizing my wireless adapter for the internet, what can I do? |
| 03:05.47 | netlar | It says firmware is missing |
| 03:05.51 | somiaj | netlar: probabaly missing firmware. try this 'dmesg | grep firmware' |
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| 03:06.01 | somiaj | netlar: what wireless network card? |
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| 03:06.33 | netlar | linksys wusb600N |
| 03:07.02 | jordilopezamat | moof2 , good trick... long time i was willing to know about |
| 03:07.10 | somiaj | netlar: can I get the chipset (lsusb info would help) |
| 03:07.46 | moof2 | there's also a variable I don't remember the name of, something like ALL_LANG |
| 03:08.00 | jordilopezamat | pastebining... https://gist.github.com/jordilopezamat/5603090 |
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| 03:08.26 | somiaj | jordilopezamat: looks like you failed to read the release notes |
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| 03:08.52 | somiaj | I'm assuming amd64, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#immediate-configure |
| 03:08.54 | netlar | somiaj: do not see it on the dmesg |
| 03:09.07 | jordilopezamat | i spent about 30min reading them ... |
| 03:09.09 | somiaj | netlar: just give me the actual chipset you have from lsusb |
| 03:09.23 | jordilopezamat | although it seems that wasn't enough ! |
| 03:09.31 | moof2 | somiaj, could you be specific about what you think happened with jordilopezamat, and exactly what leads you to believe he didn't read the release notes? |
| 03:09.34 | somiaj | jordilopezamat: that should fix it. |
| 03:09.50 | somiaj | moof2: he just got a documented error that occurs during the upgrade. |
| 03:09.59 | somiaj | (well may occur) |
| 03:10.09 | somiaj | moof2: that link I gave him should explain more. |
| 03:10.18 | netlar | somiaj: is that the ID 1737:0071? |
| 03:10.27 | moof2 | and that error is in the release notes? oh, cool, I'm curious about that |
| 03:10.33 | somiaj | netlar: I'd have to look it up, if you could paste the whole line. |
| 03:10.45 | jordilopezamat | indeed... is crystal clear. |
| 03:11.15 | netlar | somiaj: wish I could no internet connection on that machines, I am talking to you from another computer |
| 03:11.17 | jordilopezamat | proceeding... |
| 03:13.15 | netlar | somiaj: the whole line is ID 1737:0071 Linksys WUSB600N v1 Dual-Band Wireless-N Network Adapter [Ralink RT2870] |
| 03:13.20 | somiaj | netlar: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb#Supported_Devices 00 doi you see your line in tehre |
| 03:13.56 | somiaj | netlar: okay you need the package firmware-ralink |
| 03:14.14 | somiaj | netlar: the easiest method I can think if do you have any way to copy it to the machine running the live image? |
| 03:14.25 | netlar | Ok, think I found something on the, but how do I install that |
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| 03:14.39 | somiaj | if so just install that package, then modprobe -r rt2800usb && modprobe rt2800usb |
| 03:14.59 | somiaj | you can get the package from pacakges.debian.org (you will have to devise a way to copy it over to the machine running on the live image) |
| 03:15.31 | netlar | hold on, I can put it on a usb drive |
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| 03:15.48 | somiaj | if you download the .deb, yes |
| 03:16.16 | netlar | somiaj: there is a deb for the firmware? |
| 03:16.31 | somiaj | netlar: yes |
| 03:16.38 | jordilopezamat | somiaj , moof2 : indeed, "apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0" as per http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#immediate-configure did the job |
| 03:16.44 | jordilopezamat | i love IRC |
| 03:16.52 | netlar | somiaj: that ralink is on that list you gave me |
| 03:17.08 | somiaj | jordilopezamat: just have to deal with being accused of not reading the release notes. but with thick skin you do get help. (: |
| 03:17.20 | somiaj | netlar: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink |
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| 03:18.02 | moof2 | how many different error messages are listed in the release notes? |
| 03:18.15 | netlar | somiaj: thanks, but what am i downloading there |
| 03:18.19 | somiaj | random question, live.debian.net stoped making usb-hdd images for the live system, any reason why? (I actually prefered those images because you could partition the rest of your usb thumbdrive) |
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| 03:18.38 | somiaj | netlar: the .deb package for the firmware, you can then copy it over to the system and dpkg -i (firmware is isntalled) then reload the module |
| 03:18.57 | netlar | somiaj: is that the linux image? |
| 03:19.07 | somiaj | netlar: no the package is called firmware-ralink |
| 03:19.28 | somiaj | moof2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html (a whole chapter is set up to talk about upgrading issues/procedure) |
| 03:19.32 | jordilopezamat | somiaj, when i enter this chatroom, i know beforehand that is the way it goes... |
| 03:19.36 | ragedragon | Hello the deb room |
| 03:19.40 | somiaj | moof2: note there are some known bugs not in that, (the dovecot seems to be another common one) |
| 03:20.02 | ragedragon | do you know why i get the error described at http://pastebin.com/e81hH524 |
| 03:20.16 | ragedragon | tried to update debconf to rev 1 |
| 03:20.25 | ragedragon | 1.5.50 but i get an install error |
| 03:20.31 | somiaj | ,v debconf |
| 03:20.32 | judd | Package: debconf on i386 -- squeeze: 1.5.36.1; wheezy: 1.5.49; jessie: 1.5.50; sid: 1.5.50 |
| 03:21.01 | netlar | somiaj: sorry for being so slow, but do not see a package firmware-ralink on that page |
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| 03:21.24 | somiaj | ragedragon: can't read the error fully. What version of debian are you running first? |
| 03:21.42 | ragedragon | somiaj, sid |
| 03:21.43 | somiaj | netlar: near the bottom of the page there is a Download firmware-ralink, then download it for Architecutre 'all' |
| 03:22.15 | netlar | ok |
| 03:22.17 | somiaj | ragedragon: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is prefered place. But have you checked the bts. I saw someone having an issue upgrading debconf eariler but it was only due to libc6, and your error looks different |
| 03:22.44 | ragedragon | somiaj, ok thx a lot. will check |
| 03:22.57 | somiaj | ragedragon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debconf;dist=unstable (ugg yea I don't want to try to find the right bug you got in there) |
| 03:23.00 | somiaj | haha |
| 03:23.08 | ragedragon | :) |
| 03:23.36 | moof2 | somiaj, it's just that I think the expectation that one reads thru the release notes and memorizes every error message so that they can be instantly recognized isn't reasonable... what might be reasonable, is to have a message in the release notes suggesting the reader should look thru the release notes again upon encountering an error... |
| 03:23.48 | somiaj | wow the only upgrade bug I found is from 2004. some skeltons in that closet. |
| 03:23.56 | moof2 | often, an error occurs and the person gets stuck |
| 03:24.31 | somiaj | moof2: yea my comment is more, this is already documented, look here (so maybe next time they run into an error they maybe go reread it) |
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| 03:25.20 | moof2 | that's just it, if they do get stuck, they don't know it exists |
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| 03:26.29 | netlar | somiaj: ok, this is crazy, there is a password needed for the live cd cause it went to blank screen |
| 03:26.37 | jordilopezamat | moof2, i completely agree with you |
| 03:26.39 | somiaj | netlar: password for what? |
| 03:26.53 | netlar | the live cd |
| 03:27.26 | netlar | guess I can just reboot |
| 03:27.28 | somiaj | moof2: yea I make the comment to point out documentation. But suggesting/expecting someone read the release notes section on upgrading from squeeze -> wheezy when that is what they are doing is reasonble to me. So usually to me it is more they didn't know such documentation existed. |
| 03:27.36 | somiaj | netlar: I mean are you trying to login? |
| 03:27.45 | somiaj | netlar: what are you doing that requires a password? |
| 03:28.03 | jordilopezamat | but indeed, somiaj, the learned lesson is one should (re)read the release notes (at least) after getting stucked ! haha |
| 03:28.07 | netlar | nothing, the screen went blank and now it wants a password |
| 03:28.35 | Vicissitude | screensaver kicked in? |
| 03:29.02 | netlar | well screen went blank, while I was on other computer |
| 03:29.38 | Vicissitude | sounds like the screensaver to me |
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| 03:29.54 | somiaj | netlar: yea you might have to reboot. you can run sudo with out a password |
| 03:30.02 | jordilopezamat | somiaj, moof2 . But again, as already said, i spent some time reading the documentation... In fact, i'm the documentalist of the software project i'm working in these days. Hehe ... |
| 03:30.03 | somiaj | netlar: so you can reset the passwords once you boot up (but you have to do this each time) |
| 03:30.04 | netlar | Ok |
| 03:30.28 | somiaj | but yea I don't know what the default debian live password is. There have been a few different standards. |
| 03:30.50 | moof2 | yeah, perhaps a message in the release notes to that effect could help a lot on both sides (experts don't need to deal with the issue as much, installers don't get stuck) |
| 03:31.04 | netlar | somiaj: why have a password on the live cd anyway |
| 03:31.18 | somiaj | netlar: its more you can't have a user without a password |
| 03:31.31 | somiaj | netlar: there needs to be something in the password field (a blank password is a password) |
| 03:31.44 | netlar | ahh |
| 03:32.07 | netlar | well anyway, rebooted, I can just double click on the deb file right? |
| 03:32.23 | somiaj | I rember some comment from RMS about how when they first introduced passwords into bsd he didn't understand why and got a majority of the berkly lab to just use blank passwords. |
| 03:32.36 | somiaj | netlar: no, you will have to get into a console and 'sudo dpkg -i file.deb' |
| 03:32.54 | netlar | ok |
| 03:34.15 | netlar | Ok, done |
| 03:35.03 | netlar | wow, nice works |
| 03:35.05 | somiaj | netlar: now 'modprobe -r rt2800usb && modprobe rt2800usb' |
| 03:35.20 | moof2 | well... with all due respect to rms, we know why passwords should exist |
| 03:35.22 | somiaj | netlar: note you will ahve to do this everytime you boot of the live system (i'm unsure if there are firmware live images available) |
| 03:35.37 | netlar | somiaj: I am going to install now |
| 03:35.41 | jordilopezamat | by the way, i'm going to read the post-installation notes in the release-notes... |
| 03:35.48 | somiaj | moof2: I'm sure he understands, but this is back when bsd was only a handfull of people at berkly |
| 03:35.55 | somiaj | jordilopezamat: (: |
| 03:36.14 | kanliot | when was RMS ever at berkeley? MIT |
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| 03:36.23 | somiaj | sorry yea MIT |
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| 03:36.42 | moof2 | there are these things called trains, planes and automobiles :) |
| 03:36.48 | netlar | somiaj: do I need to do that mod probe thing I just install now? |
| 03:37.14 | somiaj | netlar: you probably didn't need to get the internet up to install from a live image |
| 03:37.33 | somiaj | netlar: but that is only if you needed to reload the module to get your wifi card up |
| 03:37.38 | somiaj | netlar: if the wifi card is working, then no |
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| 03:52.07 | netlar | somiaj: Well the install is not going so well |
| 03:52.54 | somiaj | netlar: errors? |
| 03:53.10 | netlar | Just the network is not configuring |
| 03:53.23 | netlar | But I can skip that for now? |
| 03:53.47 | somiaj | netlar: are you suing the netinstall or a live image installer? |
| 03:53.56 | netlar | Yes |
| 03:54.12 | somiaj | netlar: but yes, skip it. install the base system. When it reboots skip the 'tasksel' part (don't install additional packages) |
| 03:54.26 | somiaj | netlar: install that firmware package, get your network up. fix your sources.list |
| 03:54.33 | somiaj | netlar: then rerun tasksel and you should be on your way |
| 03:54.54 | netlar | ok |
| 03:55.06 | mortal1 | hey guys, why does apt-get upgrade --yes not pick up kernel updates? |
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| 03:55.42 | somiaj | mortal1: you proabaly don't have a kernel netapackage installed? or are missing security.debian.org soruces? |
| 03:55.50 | somiaj | neta=meta |
| 03:56.27 | mortal1 | somiaj, how would one check for that meta package? |
| 03:57.09 | mortal1 | nvm i'm sure it's a bit more than a 1 liner, i'll google |
| 03:57.47 | somiaj | mortal1: linux-image-amd64 that is the meta package, while linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 is the actual kernel |
| 03:58.03 | somiaj | the meta package will point at new kernel upgrades, but the actual kernel package won't |
| 03:58.57 | mortal1 | alright, thanks |
| 04:01.41 | somiaj | mortal1: on debian stable this should not be an issue, in that case it is because kernel fixes come from security.debian.org and you need those sources as well |
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| 04:03.50 | netlar | somiaj: do I want to use the network mirror? |
| 04:04.30 | netlar | I am going to say no |
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| 04:06.50 | netlar | somiaj: Now I get an error that it cannot load the Grub boot loader |
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| 04:07.35 | somiaj | !fixgrub |
| 04:07.36 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 04:08.12 | somiaj | netlar: note /target may already be mounted, but I fix that error but doing things manually (I don't always know the simpliest way) |
| 04:08.36 | netlar | Yes, said it failed to install into target |
| 04:09.18 | netlar | Can I skip this? |
| 04:10.06 | moof2 | well you do need a way to boot... |
| 04:10.25 | netlar | so I need to type all of that in the console? |
| 04:10.30 | moof2 | any idea why it failed? |
| 04:10.33 | moof2 | dunno |
| 04:10.57 | moof2 | are you in the debian? or booting? |
| 04:11.04 | netlar | Just says "the grub-pc failed to install into /target/ |
| 04:11.33 | netlar | moof2: I am in live cd trying to install |
| 04:11.38 | moof2 | oh ok |
| 04:11.42 | moof2 | so kinda both |
| 04:12.04 | netlar | I geuss |
| 04:12.07 | moof2 | can you show the line of mount that shows /target? |
| 04:12.38 | moof2 | or try df /target |
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| 04:13.11 | somiaj | yea when I had the live image do this to me I needed to copy grub-pc deb into /target and then install it manually. |
| 04:13.12 | netlar | I am in command line i guess now |
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| 04:13.38 | netlar | geese, have no idea how to do that |
| 04:14.19 | jmd | On wheezy, gdm doesn't allow the user to set the language. It used to have that feature on squeeze. How can I re-enable it? |
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| 04:15.12 | netlar | somiaj: Guess I am sunk |
| 04:15.37 | moof2 | see what happens, if you type df /target |
| 04:15.45 | moof2 | you're definitely not sunk |
| 04:15.50 | somiaj | netlar: ls /target/dev do you see stuff there? |
| 04:16.20 | netlar | won't show me |
| 04:16.49 | moof2 | what's it say? no output? |
| 04:16.51 | netlar | When I enter in a command, the box goes away |
| 04:17.03 | somiaj | netlar: what box? |
| 04:17.05 | moof2 | how are you getting this box? |
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| 04:17.41 | moof2 | maybe he needs to fire up a term |
| 04:17.45 | netlar | somiaj: when I enter alt+f2 i get this little box to enter in a command, it is not the full console |
| 04:18.34 | somiaj | netlar: okay type xterm into that (does something popup)? |
| 04:18.44 | netlar | ok |
| 04:19.02 | netlar | ok got terminal now |
| 04:19.17 | somiaj | now we can do stuff, now run those commands, pay attention to the output. |
| 04:19.27 | moof2 | cool... what's the last char of the prompt? $ or #? something else? |
| 04:19.38 | netlar | Says no such directory or file |
| 04:20.01 | moof2 | try ls /target |
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| 04:20.32 | moof2 | still no such dir or file? |
| 04:20.38 | netlar | you mean in the / directory? |
| 04:20.39 | somiaj | moof2: he will be a user but have sudo abilities without a password |
| 04:20.54 | moof2 | no, /target |
| 04:21.00 | moof2 | ls /target |
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| 04:21.12 | moof2 | somiaj, thanks :) |
| 04:21.21 | netlar | nope, no /target directory |
| 04:21.58 | moof2 | hmm... that's telling... maybe it didn't start "installing" completely or correctly? |
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| 04:22.35 | moof2 | or using something other than /target? |
| 04:22.56 | netlar | there is a /boot directory |
| 04:23.08 | moof2 | in / |
| 04:23.13 | netlar | yes |
| 04:23.18 | somiaj | netlar: do you know the name of your root partition? (like /dev/sda1)? |
| 04:23.35 | netlar | think so yes somiaj |
| 04:24.01 | somiaj | netlar: well first see if it is mounted, 'df -h' -- if it is not mounted, mount it somewhere (/target is a good place or /mnt) |
| 04:24.38 | somiaj | netlar: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /target -- that should be sufficent |
| 04:24.42 | moof2 | if you were to type mount, you'll see lines, in the middle you'll see "on (something) type" |
| 04:25.11 | netlar | somiaj: it is on the list yes |
| 04:25.22 | moof2 | somiaj: there's not a dir /target (I think) |
| 04:25.31 | somiaj | netlar: where is it mounted? |
| 04:25.58 | netlar | /lib/live/installer/target |
| 04:26.15 | moof2 | oh :) that's different :) |
| 04:26.59 | somiaj | netlar: you got the internet working corectly no the live system right? |
| 04:27.25 | netlar | somiaj: yes the live cd had the network working |
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| 04:29.01 | somiaj | netlar: I want to check one more thing, in tha tmount list, did you see /lib/live/installer/target/dev and /lib/live/installer/target/proc |
| 04:29.39 | netlar | no proc |
| 04:29.50 | netlar | dev is there |
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| 04:30.46 | somiaj | netlar: sudo mount -t proc none /lib/live/installer/target/proc |
| 04:30.57 | somiaj | netlar: then sudo chroot /lib/live/installer/target |
| 04:31.52 | netlar | funny said proc is already mounted |
| 04:32.28 | netlar | wait no, says none already mounted |
| 04:32.50 | somiaj | replace none with proc |
| 04:33.02 | moof2 | so that could mean there's something already on /proc? |
| 04:33.46 | netlar | says according to mtab, proc is already mounted |
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| 04:34.29 | netlar | at /lib/live/installer/target/proc |
| 04:34.46 | somiaj | netlar: oh then it is mounted, I see my flaw (it just doesn't appear in the df list) |
| 04:34.52 | somiaj | netlar: anyways move on, chroot into your install |
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| 04:36.01 | netlar | says chroot: command not found |
| 04:36.15 | somiaj | netlar: did you run it with sudo? |
| 04:36.16 | netlar | sorry forgot to sudo |
| 04:36.28 | netlar | ok in root now |
| 04:36.52 | moof2 | so those things are now in his /? |
| 04:36.55 | somiaj | okay you are in your install. lets just try this, 'apt-get install grub-pc' |
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| 04:38.17 | netlar | No good |
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| 04:38.35 | moof2 | see if ping google.com returns replies |
| 04:38.41 | netlar | Says Package grub-pc not available |
| 04:38.45 | somiaj | netlar: can you put the output at paste.debian.net |
| 04:39.13 | netlar | I would need to type it in |
| 04:39.25 | somiaj | isn't that machine on the internet? |
| 04:39.36 | netlar | not sure anymore |
| 04:39.45 | netlar | oh it is sorry |
| 04:39.58 | moof2 | how did you find out that? the ping? |
| 04:40.01 | somiaj | just load a webbrowser, copy and paste |
| 04:40.07 | Mohsen_Hassani | I've been downloading the repositories for over 3 weeks. But recently, (for about one week) it stuck every time while downloading the file dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz. What could the problem be? |
| 04:40.16 | netlar | NO, there is the network indicator at the top |
| 04:40.31 | moof2 | oh ok |
| 04:41.40 | netlar | damn how do you copy from the terminal |
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| 04:42.02 | netlar | shift alt C? |
| 04:42.05 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: what mirror is giving you that, have you tried another mirror? |
| 04:42.19 | moof2 | shift ctrl c I think |
| 04:42.22 | somiaj | netlar: just select it, it is coppied. Goto the forum and hit the middle mouse button |
| 04:42.22 | Mohsen_Hassani | somiaj, I'm using tr. But I also tried us too. |
| 04:42.47 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: well it is sid. give me a second |
| 04:43.22 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: this is from an apt-get update right? |
| 04:43.24 | Mohsen_Hassani | somiaj, It downloads the file, and it suddenly stuck in 40% sometimes in 70% |
| 04:43.26 | somiaj | (or aptitude) |
| 04:43.32 | netlar | Now how do I get to paste.debian.net from the terminal? |
| 04:43.58 | moof2 | ctrl v or Edit -> paste |
| 04:44.03 | somiaj | netlar: isn't the terminal just a window, can't you just goto the start menu and launch a browser. You are in a live system. |
| 04:44.09 | Mohsen_Hassani | somiaj, This is the script I'm using http://dpaste.com/1177358/ |
| 04:44.29 | netlar | god, I am so dense, yes of course |
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| 04:45.27 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: strange. Out of couriousity can you wget that file with no issues? |
| 04:47.08 | Mohsen_Hassani | somiaj, What's the link for downloading it with wget? |
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| 04:48.29 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
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| 04:49.17 | netlar | damn thing won't copy |
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| 04:49.50 | moof2 | what mirror are you using? just put a / at the end of the mirror and then add the thing starting with dists, no space, then go |
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| 04:50.23 | somiaj | netlar: you select it, and while it is selected hit your middle mouse button in your webbrowser? |
| 04:50.43 | Mohsen_Hassani | somiaj, It finished downloading. So what can the problem be? |
| 04:51.04 | netlar | I have a left and right button , no middle |
| 04:51.11 | moof2 | limited disk space? |
| 04:51.22 | somiaj | netlar: double click them then |
| 04:51.30 | somiaj | netlar: sorry click them at same time] |
| 04:51.43 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: no clue. |
| 04:52.03 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: does putting that file in place then running the script work out (since it is the same file)? |
| 04:52.07 | netlar | http://paste.debian.net/4918 |
| 04:52.43 | somiaj | netlar: okay lets get your sources.list working, type 'nano /etc/sources.list' |
| 04:52.53 | somiaj | netlar: can you use that editor to modify that file. |
| 04:52.56 | somiaj | !wheezy sources |
| 04:53.22 | netlar | what file? |
| 04:53.31 | somiaj | !wheezy sources.list |
| 04:53.31 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
| 04:53.45 | somiaj | netlar: nano /etc/apt/sources.list -- sorry I had a typo, and that file |
| 04:54.17 | netlar | ok tejre |
| 04:54.19 | netlar | there |
| 04:54.31 | netlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.57 | somiaj | read what dpkg said, and make your sources.list. put it at paste.debian.net and I will double check (do some figuring out on your own) (: |
| 04:55.07 | somiaj | this is the file that tells apt where to get packages from. |
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| 04:56.18 | netlar | how do I output the dpkg ? |
| 05:00.08 | moof2 | he may mean "dpkg the bot"? |
| 05:00.22 | moof2 | you can see it if you scroll up |
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| 05:01.28 | netlar | I ran entered in the command dpkg -l , man lots of stuff there |
| 05:01.41 | somiaj | !tell netlar about wheezy sources.list |
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| 05:02.44 | moof2 | netlar, you should have gotten a priv msg from dpkg (the bot) |
| 05:03.14 | netlar | Yes, long time ago, like 30 min ago |
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| 05:05.59 | netlar | sorry, got it, was not looking |
| 05:08.07 | netlar | those lines are all in the source.listn file |
| 05:08.24 | netlar | plus the deb-src for each one |
| 05:08.49 | netlar | Not sure I ever felt so lost |
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| 05:09.42 | moof2 | netlar, what's one thing you wish you knew right now? |
| 05:10.06 | netlar | Why the hell I wanted to use Linux |
| 05:10.13 | moof2 | uhoh L:) |
| 05:10.32 | moof2 | that bad? |
| 05:10.35 | somiaj | netlar: you could try the netinstaller (over the live image) and see if ti works better |
| 05:10.41 | somiaj | netlar: use the text installer (not the graphical one) |
| 05:11.07 | moof2 | so this lost feeling pretty much has you done? |
| 05:11.09 | somiaj | netlar: I ahd this same issue when I tried to install from a live system. If you know a little bit about the cli it isn't a hard fix, but a few little steps. |
| 05:11.11 | netlar | ok, how do you use the net installer, is that over the internet |
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| 05:12.10 | netlar | I was using ubuntu 13.04 but it seemed kinda buggy and hear the Debian was very solid |
| 05:12.16 | moof2 | yes, it would be over the net in most cases, and whether it does or doesn't, depends on whether it can locate a driver for the net card |
| 05:13.21 | netlar | I am out of the install, gave up |
| 05:13.53 | moof2 | you came from ubuntu? how did yo ulike that? |
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| 05:14.07 | netlar | So how do I run the netinstaller |
| 05:14.12 | rsplenum | go for arch linux |
| 05:14.49 | moof2 | the netinstaller comes on a cd image, which you would write to a cd... |
| 05:14.56 | moof2 | or possibly other media |
| 05:15.26 | moof2 | then you boot it, and hitting enter at the boot: prompt will start the installer |
| 05:15.48 | moof2 | still wondering how your experience was like with ubuntu |
| 05:15.59 | somiaj | netlar: http://paste.debian.net/4919 make your sources.list look like that |
| 05:16.13 | somiaj | netlar: assuming you haven't exted out of that nano program I have you in |
| 05:16.20 | moof2 | somiaj, he bailed |
| 05:16.29 | netlar | think I am done |
| 05:16.39 | moof2 | he wants to try the netinst (well maybe) |
| 05:16.40 | somiaj | okay well you are only a few steps left |
| 05:16.51 | somiaj | after that, apt-get update, apt-get install grub-pc and we can get you booted |
| 05:17.05 | somiaj | I was hoping trying to have you figure out a little on your own would have done ya good. (: |
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| 05:17.48 | netlar | ok let me try |
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| 05:19.58 | afsal | when compiling kernel modules shows error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
| 05:20.37 | netlar | dang where is the source.list again |
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| 05:20.57 | moof2 | the normal installed place is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:20.58 | netlar | would not let me save it, guess I needed to open it up as sudo |
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| 05:22.25 | afsal | when compiling kernel modules shows error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
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| 05:24.07 | evanvarvell | .. |
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| 05:24.24 | netlar | ok installed grub |
| 05:24.56 | afsal | plz hlp me when compiling kernel modules shows error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
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| 05:25.00 | netlar | I am at a screen for configuring grub-pc |
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| 05:26.22 | netlar | Do I configure it from here? |
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| 05:29.19 | moof2 | what's it asking you? |
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| 05:29.58 | netlar | it is in terminal and it tells me that the grub-pc package is being upgraded |
| 05:29.59 | krishna | On a fresh install of debian wheezy ps2 mouse freezes if I use ps2 keyboard. Can anybody help? |
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| 05:30.17 | krishna | I can revive the mouse by either replugging it or reloading the psmouse module |
| 05:30.32 | krishna | no error messages in dmesg or kernel log |
| 05:30.43 | krishna | mouse and keyboard works fine together on WinXP |
| 05:31.09 | netlar | Tells me this menu allows me to select which devices i would like grub-install to be automatically run for |
| 05:31.17 | freax | IRQ conflict? |
| 05:31.27 | freax | between video and ps2 controller |
| 05:31.48 | moof2 | ok, what drive do you normally boot from? do you just have the one drive? |
| 05:31.59 | netlar | Just one drive |
| 05:32.15 | moof2 | also, do you have other operating systems on that drive? the drive is called /dev/sda? |
| 05:32.18 | krishna | freax: How do I check if it is an IRQ conflict |
| 05:32.27 | netlar | Ok, got it |
| 05:32.39 | netlar | NO, just going to be debian |
| 05:32.47 | netlar | Ok, it is done, now what |
| 05:33.13 | netlar | but have errors |
| 05:33.18 | moof2 | if you want to install grub as the main boot loader, /dev/sda... or you can install it on a partition, such as /dev/sda1 |
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| 05:33.38 | afsal | plz hlp me when compiling kernel modules shows error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
| 05:34.06 | netlar | moof2: http://paste.debian.net/4920 sounds serious |
| 05:34.19 | moof2 | let's see... |
| 05:34.42 | afsal | plz hlp me when compiling kernel modules shows error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
| 05:35.39 | moof2 | if your /etc/fstab is correct, you can try (from inside the chroot) "sudo mount /dev" |
| 05:37.04 | netlar | how would i know if fstab is wrong or right? |
| 05:37.50 | afsal | plz hlp me when compiling kernel modules shows error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
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| 05:37.59 | netlar | guess somiaj has given up on me |
| 05:38.06 | moof2 | you can try the mount... it was probably written by the installer |
| 05:38.20 | netlar | I got out of the installer |
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| 05:41.07 | moof2 | and now? |
| 05:41.16 | netlar | trying install again |
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| 05:44.02 | moof2 | if somiaj is busy/out/sleeping, note that I'm not familiar with installing from live... I have a machine I would install, but cdrom isn't working atm |
| 05:44.45 | netlar | ok, well not working |
| 05:44.52 | moof2 | so if it were me to help, I would recommend the netinst image |
| 05:44.54 | netlar | Think I am seriously done |
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| 05:45.21 | netlar | I hear the next version of windows is going to be better |
| 05:46.01 | moof2 | out of curiousity, what interested you in linux at first? |
| 05:46.10 | netlar | I like it's openness |
| 05:46.25 | netlar | and how you can tweak the way you want to |
| 05:46.45 | moof2 | and you're not experiencing that now? |
| 05:46.56 | netlar | Just so much work |
| 05:47.08 | moof2 | it is work, there's no doubt about that |
| 05:47.26 | netlar | moof2: and nothing is just plug and play |
| 05:47.46 | moof2 | in its original raw form, that's very true |
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| 05:48.30 | netlar | I don't want to spend half a day every time I attach a new add on |
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| 05:49.11 | moof2 | got it, sounds like it's not worth it |
| 05:49.40 | netlar | I am a little surprised that Debian is such a pain to install for me, heard it is like the most stable of the distros |
| 05:49.45 | moof2 | and it's true, sometimes adding things takes serious thought and work |
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| 05:50.49 | moof2 | they're so focused on stability, that the thing they finally release as stable is maybe a year or two older than what's new and different out there |
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| 05:51.41 | moof2 | the stable dist is mostly used for servers |
| 05:52.04 | netlar | Well going to try Ubuntu again, but this time, 12.04 |
| 05:52.21 | netlar | Then if that does not work Mint, and then Suse |
| 05:52.26 | moof2 | when you install ubuntu, what do you do? |
| 05:52.40 | netlar | What do you mean |
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| 05:52.52 | freax | heh I'm still using debian 6.0 :P |
| 05:53.14 | LtL | netlar: ubuntu -again- ? so this isn'y debian's fault by the looks of things |
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| 05:53.27 | moof2 | netlar, what media do you use to install it? |
| 05:53.32 | LtL | and live cd's suck |
| 05:53.35 | netlar | DVD |
| 05:53.46 | netlar | Yea live DVD |
| 05:53.59 | tx0h | hi, i get "Could not find the Mozilla runtime." when i start iceweasel |
| 05:54.01 | moof2 | ahh. and the live ubuntu allows you to install? |
| 05:54.02 | rryoumaa | when you report a bug, do you report it to debian or to upstream or to both? |
| 05:54.11 | netlar | Perfectly |
| 05:54.35 | netlar | Were some bugs in Unity I think |
| 05:54.49 | moof2 | never seen unity before yet |
| 05:55.21 | netlar | moof2: It is lots of eye candy, but they seem to worry more about polish that function |
| 05:55.30 | netlar | than* |
| 05:55.50 | moof2 | netlar, which is why their installer works, I would imagine |
| 05:56.01 | netlar | moof2: probalby |
| 05:56.38 | netlar | Well I am just running through lots of DVD's :) |
| 05:56.53 | moof2 | also ubuntu has a different idea about using non-free stuff... they will go ahead and make whatever deal they have to in order to provide, say, device drivers |
| 05:57.20 | LtL | netlar: debian cd1 and you could be up and running within an hour |
| 05:57.22 | moof2 | whereas debian chooses to demonstrate those drivers are encumbered or non-free |
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| 05:58.40 | netlar | LtL: not with my luck |
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| 05:59.22 | moof2 | care to test that belief? |
| 05:59.37 | netlar | huh |
| 05:59.50 | moof2 | so what you heard about debian is it's well put together and stable... yes? |
| 06:00.05 | moof2 | and that interested you |
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| 06:00.07 | netlar | yes |
| 06:00.08 | moof2 | yes? |
| 06:00.11 | netlar | yes |
| 06:00.14 | LtL | netlar: what type of machine/hardware are you using, just curious |
| 06:00.34 | netlar | and 64 dual core processor |
| 06:00.39 | netlar | 4 gig ram |
| 06:01.00 | netlar | machine is about 6 years old |
| 06:01.48 | LtL | netlar: netinstall cd or cd1 connected to an ethernet cable and it usually simple... alittle experience helps. |
| 06:02.06 | moof2 | ok, if you'd like to try one more time (with a netinstall image), maybe we can get you going (depending on how well the devices in your machine are supported by wheezy), maybe we could have you up in (fingers crossed) an hour |
| 06:02.16 | netlar | LtL: no cabling , everything is wireless |
| 06:02.22 | tx0h | sighs |
| 06:02.33 | moof2 | but I need the answer to one question... |
| 06:02.36 | LtL | netlar: that complicates things considerably |
| 06:02.38 | moof2 | are you still interested? |
| 06:02.53 | netlar | get back to you on that |
| 06:02.58 | moof2 | ok |
| 06:03.03 | moof2 | that's fair |
| 06:03.42 | tx0h | i can't get iceweasel up & running. shall i switch to original firefox? i always get: "Could not find the Mozilla runtime." |
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| 06:04.09 | somiaj | what version of debian are you running and where are you installing iceweasel from |
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| 06:04.27 | netlar | moof2: going to install ubuntu 12.04 see what happens |
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| 06:05.41 | moof2 | netlar, ok... good luck to you |
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| 06:05.53 | tx0h | somiaj: i use testing (or experimental from mozilla.debian.org) |
| 06:05.54 | solrize | i'm trying to install g++-dev on a new wheezy system and i get an error |
| 06:06.04 | solrize | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 06:06.04 | solrize | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 06:06.04 | solrize | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 06:06.04 | solrize | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 06:06.05 | solrize | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 06:06.05 | solrize | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 06:06.17 | netlar | moof2: what is little funny is that I was able to install Debian real easy on Virtual Box |
| 06:06.18 | solrize | any idea? |
| 06:06.31 | moof2 | try first installing build-essential |
| 06:06.40 | solrize | hmm ok thanks |
| 06:07.08 | somiaj | netlar: when grub fails it is just annoying. It is one small step, I was hoping you had enough linux cli experience we could easily have fixed it. (: |
| 06:07.19 | solrize | same error |
| 06:07.20 | moof2 | netlar, one thing that's been sorta plaguing debian installs is wireless networking cards... |
| 06:07.42 | netlar | well thanks to somiaj , that was fixed right away |
| 06:07.59 | moof2 | solrize, see if apt-get -f install |
| 06:08.01 | moof2 | works |
| 06:08.10 | moof2 | netlar, oh? what did he do? |
| 06:08.21 | netlar | we installed the driver |
| 06:08.30 | solrize | moof2 it didn't help |
| 06:08.39 | moof2 | that could have been a little work |
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| 06:08.46 | moof2 | was it easy? |
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| 06:08.54 | netlar | Yes |
| 06:09.22 | moof2 | what kind of wireless card did you have, and what was the driver called? |
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| 06:09.39 | netlar | somiaj: so it is the debian installer that is the problem? |
| 06:09.50 | netlar | linksys |
| 06:10.07 | tx0h | iceweasel looks for: access("/etc/xulrunner/libxpcom.so", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) but can't find it. if i make a link of /usr/lib/xulrunner-17.0 to /etc/xulrunner it simply dies without any message. |
| 06:10.33 | vsMS | Hi. I have want to install grub2 on a LVM based RAID1 but I get this error: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: unable to identify a filesystem in hd1; safety check can't be performed. Can you help me? |
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| 06:11.30 | tx0h | well... |
| 06:11.44 | tx0h | got it working. ty |
| 06:12.37 | moof2 | netlar, the ubuntu installer would probably notice you need the linksys |
| 06:13.09 | netlar | moof2: No problems connecting to internet |
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| 06:13.39 | moof2 | netlar, pretty good :) on which os? |
| 06:13.49 | netlar | moof2: ubuntu |
| 06:14.02 | moof2 | the one you want to install now? |
| 06:14.13 | netlar | moof2: almost done |
| 06:14.18 | moof2 | ahh |
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| 06:14.56 | netlar | moof2: installing is not the problem, it is the strange things that happen after the install |
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| 06:15.45 | moof2 | netlar, one thing I'm wondering about, is whether and/or how interested you are in learning the more fundamental and low-level aspects of linux |
| 06:16.01 | moof2 | oh, what |
| 06:16.09 | netlar | moof2: I am, but from a running system, would be nice |
| 06:16.17 | moof2 | is one example of a strange thing happening after install? |
| 06:16.22 | moof2 | that's also fair |
| 06:16.40 | netlar | moof2: hangs when shutting down, hangs when starting up |
| 06:17.01 | netlar | moof2: freezes in the middle of a session too |
| 06:17.16 | moof2 | hmm. ever find out what those are? did that happen with the last ubuntu or is it happening now? |
| 06:17.22 | moof2 | or both :) |
| 06:17.38 | netlar | moof2: with 13.04, not sure about 12.04 |
| 06:17.55 | moof2 | oh, you were running a later one before? |
| 06:18.01 | netlar | I did use it at 8.04 and was fine too |
| 06:18.15 | netlar | Yes, installed 13.04 |
| 06:18.20 | moof2 | so 8 didn't hang? |
| 06:18.23 | netlar | I think it is a problem with Unity |
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| 06:18.37 | netlar | 8 was great |
| 06:18.50 | netlar | But someone stole the laptop and I got a mac |
| 06:19.01 | moof2 | from what I understand unity needs direct rendering and hardware acceleration on the video card |
| 06:19.17 | netlar | Been on Mac for 14 years, never ever a problem |
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| 06:19.47 | moof2 | well of course that's different... everything on mac is really expensive :) |
| 06:20.07 | netlar | moof2: yes, had a power mac for 11 years of that |
| 06:20.36 | moof2 | was the 3 years before or after the 11? |
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| 06:21.11 | netlar | after, used the mac book for little while then I got the new iMac in Jan |
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| 06:21.33 | moof2 | NotJimCarrey, Liar! Liar! |
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| 06:22.15 | netlar | The other thing about the Mac is the support, they are pretty helpful |
| 06:22.26 | moof2 | yep |
| 06:22.50 | netlar | But to tell the truth, the Mac is kind of boring now |
| 06:22.50 | moof2 | how would you compare the support to your experience with debian so far? with ubuntu? |
| 06:23.09 | netlar | Debian is great, you guys are fantastic |
| 06:23.17 | netlar | Ubuntu, no commen |
| 06:23.23 | netlar | Comment* |
| 06:24.25 | moof2 | pretty sad that debian didn't work out for you... having said that, I do understand why for this case... seems it just got too frustrating, and more stuff piled on |
| 06:24.51 | netlar | yea, just saw no end to it |
| 06:25.14 | netlar | Think some of it is user error, and maybe some it my hardware |
| 06:25.15 | somiaj | netlar: go down load the installer from here |
| 06:25.19 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 06:25.19 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 06:25.58 | somiaj | it is the net isntall with the firmware for that wireless card, it should work for you |
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| 06:26.57 | moof2 | live cds (in debian) are younger than the net install cds |
| 06:27.08 | netlar | See even that link is confusing |
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| 06:27.30 | somiaj | netlar: amd64? |
| 06:27.40 | netlar | yes, then the iso-cd? |
| 06:27.43 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:28.02 | somiaj | use the text (no graphical) installer |
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| 06:28.45 | netlar | but which link |
| 06:28.47 | moof2 | firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 06:29.15 | moof2 | download that, then write it directly to a cd blank |
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| 06:29.54 | netlar | well there is bt-cd, iso-cd, jigdo-cd, list-cd |
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| 06:30.33 | moof2 | if you're still navigating... iso-cd |
| 06:30.37 | moof2 | then scroll down |
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| 06:31.12 | netlar | yes, ok, it is downloading now |
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| 06:34.05 | netlar | And just after I got Ubuntu Installed again |
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| 06:34.53 | moof2 | you'll know it's working if it's able to set up networking fairly early... if it succeeds in figuring out its net connection, probably it's going to be fine |
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| 06:36.23 | netlar | well if Ubuntu gives me hiccups again, I will try that |
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| 06:37.12 | moof2 | you could boot the installer and get to that point before any partitioning or writing |
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| 06:42.23 | netlar | let me try |
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| 06:44.16 | netlar | moof2: that is not a live cd? |
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| 06:44.23 | moof2 | nope. |
| 06:44.27 | moof2 | install only. |
| 06:44.37 | netlar | moof2: good ok |
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| 06:45.30 | netlar | moof2: and if it does no set up the networking? |
| 06:45.37 | netlar | not* |
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| 06:46.14 | NotJimCarrey | in xfce, it keeps popping up new windows in the secondary screen. is there a way to change this? |
| 06:46.17 | moof2 | then you found out before affecting your existing installation :) |
| 06:46.38 | netlar | ok |
| 06:47.00 | netlar | moof2: Well I got Ubuntu installed, but not that great, seemed messed up already |
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| 06:47.19 | moof2 | what happened :) |
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| 06:48.00 | netlar | They recommended installing video driver, and of course me being a mac head I believed them |
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| 06:49.03 | netlar | Do I do the graphical install with this moof2 ? |
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| 06:50.02 | moof2 | I think somiaj suggested the text installer (doesn't mean it won't install a graph. env) |
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| 06:51.00 | netlar | ok so just regular , not graphical |
| 06:51.08 | moof2 | yes |
| 06:51.17 | netlar | ok, it is working away |
| 06:51.19 | moof2 | did it configure the net properly? |
| 06:51.35 | netlar | Blank screen so far |
| 06:52.15 | solrize | why does "visudo" actually launch nano instead of vi? |
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| 06:53.04 | well_laid_lawn | solrize: check bashrc for nano being exported as the editor |
| 06:53.05 | moof2 | oh, it's still before the net config... it'll ask you a handful of questions incl some net stuff, you'd pick a mirror, then it'll check it... if checking the mirror is successful you know for sure your net is up |
| 06:53.47 | themill | solrize: man visudo goes into more detail; it's actually invoking /usr/bin/editor in the absence of other configuration |
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| 06:53.59 | netlar | moof2: it is stuck |
| 06:54.06 | moof2 | where? |
| 06:54.18 | netlar | moof2: selecting language |
| 06:54.34 | solrize | themill, aha. but, /usr/bin/editor symlinks to /etc/alternatives/editor which symlinks to nano |
| 06:54.39 | moof2 | you can look at... alt-F4, alt-f5 etc to look at logs |
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| 06:54.58 | netlar | moof2: me? |
| 06:55.01 | moof2 | yeah |
| 06:55.17 | solrize | do people here have the sense that wheezy is reliable? should i go back to squeeze? |
| 06:55.18 | netlar | moof2: nope it is frozen |
| 06:55.23 | moof2 | ugh |
| 06:55.36 | netlar | Let me restart machine |
| 06:55.48 | moof2 | did it ever get to the partitioner? |
| 06:56.11 | netlar | moof2: nope, first screen frooze |
| 06:56.25 | themill | solrize: sure. Best linux ever. |
| 06:56.41 | moof2 | hmm. so this is a 6-year old amd64x2? |
| 06:56.59 | netlar | moof2: maybe this is all a hardware problem |
| 06:57.15 | netlar | Let me go out and spend $1,800 lets see then |
| 06:57.49 | tigersuit | solrize: agreed. went from lenny to arch to ubuntu to wheezy. best linux ever. |
| 06:57.52 | moof2 | should you want to try another step, you could get the i686 one... and, your original os should be there |
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| 06:58.18 | freax | I reckon the motherboard has some bad caps |
| 06:58.26 | freax | or the PSU does |
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| 06:59.09 | netlar | moof2: ok now working |
| 06:59.11 | solrize | yeah i'm suspicious of ubuntu these days, and arch is kind of niche |
| 06:59.20 | solrize | but stuff in squeeze has worked pretty well |
| 06:59.33 | freax | lol |
| 06:59.35 | freax | agreed |
| 06:59.46 | solrize | and wheezy is acting a bit ornery |
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| 07:00.11 | freax | from my point of view it all went to hell post potato |
| 07:00.15 | warhead | hello, any alternative for ventrilo? (I try mangler but when starting program nothing happens, even the GUI does not appear) |
| 07:00.21 | netlar | moof2: Network config failed |
| 07:00.24 | freax | but 6.0 is great for me |
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| 07:00.59 | aristarchus | is xvidcap available for debian? |
| 07:01.26 | netlar | moof2: can I skip that? |
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| 07:02.57 | moof2 | yes |
| 07:03.24 | moof2 | if you do that, there are packages on the cd, enough to get the base installed... |
| 07:03.25 | netlar | Use entire disk right? |
| 07:03.37 | moof2 | is that what you usually do? |
| 07:03.44 | netlar | yes |
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| 07:04.03 | moof2 | you don't want any kind of dual boot or anything, debian and ubuntu, or win or whatever? |
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| 07:04.38 | netlar | moof2: Ok, it is at the installing base system |
| 07:04.41 | moof2 | if so, use entire disk seems reasonable |
| 07:05.02 | netlar | No dual boot, I will use Virtual Box |
| 07:05.19 | moof2 | ij |
| 07:05.21 | moof2 | err |
| 07:05.22 | moof2 | pl |
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| 07:05.34 | moof2 | I mean, ok |
| 07:05.38 | netlar | moof2: huh? |
| 07:05.41 | Spaceghost | Hello. |
| 07:05.53 | moof2 | that other stuff was typos |
| 07:05.55 | Spaceghost | How is the best option to daily use the Skype of Android in Debian. |
| 07:06.00 | netlar | moof2: Do you get involved with the linux kernel? |
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| 07:06.11 | moof2 | not much |
| 07:06.43 | netlar | moof2: I know I have tons to learn, oh so much to learn, but do want to get involved |
| 07:07.41 | moof2 | what's your background? maybe if I knew more, I could suggest some directions you could go that might be interesting to you |
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| 07:07.59 | netlar | Done programming in past |
| 07:08.07 | moof2 | languages? |
| 07:08.15 | netlar | But just on the PC |
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| 07:08.30 | netlar | C++, visual basic |
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| 07:08.51 | netlar | Dabbled with Obj C too |
| 07:09.03 | moof2 | ok, what kind of stuff did you like doing the most? |
| 07:09.25 | netlar | Well most of what I have done is front ends to databases |
| 07:09.43 | moof2 | wrote front ends you mean? |
| 07:09.44 | netlar | But I do want to really dive into an operating system now |
| 07:09.51 | netlar | Yes |
| 07:10.17 | moof2 | so you want to get into, say, linux kernel code? |
| 07:10.18 | netlar | moof2: ok, it gave me a message |
| 07:10.30 | moof2 | what did it say? |
| 07:11.08 | netlar | moof2: tells me that I am installing from a netinst CD but have no network connection and if i want to continue without network mirror |
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| 07:11.47 | netlar | Guess I say yes |
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| 07:11.54 | moof2 | if it failed configuring the net, that could mean it tried the drivers it had and ... |
| 07:12.19 | moof2 | the net card didn't respond in a way the installer recognized... |
| 07:12.31 | moof2 | in that situation, I'd say yes |
| 07:12.41 | netlar | Well told it to continue |
| 07:12.54 | moof2 | you will end up with the base of debian, without a net connection... |
| 07:13.28 | moof2 | it should be as easy as it was with somiaj to install the linksys driver for your wireless |
| 07:13.39 | netlar | Well I can fix that with the deb package i ahve |
| 07:13.41 | netlar | have |
| 07:13.58 | moof2 | you would do that after rebooting into the fresh base-only install |
| 07:14.09 | netlar | ok |
| 07:14.16 | moof2 | once you do get networking going, |
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| 07:14.54 | netlar | wow it found grub |
| 07:15.15 | moof2 | you can set up the sources.list (which you'd more or less have to do by hand at this point), try apt-get update, if that works, you're ready to install packages |
| 07:15.55 | moof2 | you might want to install grub onto the master boot record, for you I think that is /dev/sda |
| 07:16.10 | netlar | rebooting now |
| 07:16.58 | moof2 | so the next thing is installing that .deb with the driver |
| 07:17.17 | netlar | ok, yes, waiting blahk screen so far |
| 07:17.25 | moof2 | good thing you saved that .deb :) |
| 07:17.49 | moof2 | oh, cd out of the drive? |
| 07:17.55 | netlar | yes |
| 07:18.00 | moof2 | good... |
| 07:18.25 | netlar | and grub came up and i pick the linux kernel - generic |
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| 07:18.41 | netlar | ok now booting up |
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| 07:19.14 | freax | windowssound.wav |
| 07:19.48 | moof2 | netlar, sounds good so far |
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| 07:20.22 | netlar | yeah ok, I am a at a command prompt, no gui |
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| 07:21.07 | netlar | now I am getting usb device descriptor read erros |
| 07:21.08 | moof2 | sounds successful except the net |
| 07:21.13 | Hoyt | How long does a release live? Can I still find packages for older releases online? |
| 07:21.36 | moof2 | you could get old debian releases from archive.debian.org |
| 07:21.56 | Hoyt | moof2: what about deb archive? Still exists? |
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| 07:22.04 | netlar | moof2: wow this is taking a long time |
| 07:22.08 | Hoyt | Just afraid that I won't be able to install packages ;-( |
| 07:22.09 | moof2 | look there and see :) |
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| 07:22.53 | Hoyt | What are the iso files? Couldn't find it |
| 07:23.08 | netlar | moof2: nice, 5 min boot time |
| 07:23.31 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi moof how did wheezy go? |
| 07:23.40 | Hoyt | Not in here http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-4.0/ |
| 07:23.47 | freax | might be a good idea to run memtest |
| 07:23.51 | moof2 | the isos are of the distribution. there's no packages directly available, they're on the isos |
| 07:23.51 | freax | on that amd boxen |
| 07:24.16 | netlar | Guess I am trying Mint next |
| 07:24.19 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, hi :) you disappeared... tired of jabbering? |
| 07:24.33 | freax | just to be sure that long boot time isn't related to memory |
| 07:24.37 | themill | Hoyt: what are you actually wanting to do here? it would help us to help you to know |
| 07:24.47 | moof2 | netlar, what usb devices do you have? |
| 07:24.48 | Hoyt | themill: get an old release of debian |
| 07:24.51 | fluffybunnyuk_ | didnt want to catch bronchitis from wheezy :p |
| 07:24.54 | netlar | moof2: so I log in from the command prompt? |
| 07:24.59 | Hoyt | themill: and not able to find the isos |
| 07:25.05 | moof2 | netlar, yeah |
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| 07:25.26 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place |
| 07:25.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Hoyt about install etch |
| 07:25.32 | netlar | Ok, so there is no gui with this install? |
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| 07:26.24 | moof2 | netlar, gui env is in packages... first you gotta get your net up |
| 07:26.37 | netlar | Ok, how do i do that |
| 07:26.40 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hey thats 2 bad. why so? |
| 07:26.42 | moof2 | then you can install packages from the net |
| 07:27.17 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, oh, I kinda screwed up by makign the bios reorder my drives and then trying to boot |
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| 07:27.59 | netlar | I did lsusb, do not see my wireless adapter |
| 07:28.14 | fluffybunnyuk_ | haha thats a good way to shoot your foot off :D |
| 07:28.52 | moof2 | then the initrd would only vgchange -a (the first alphabetical volume group, which wasn't the one with the installation) |
| 07:29.03 | netlar | OH yea, need to install the driver first |
| 07:29.42 | moof2 | then, sometimes it would boot if I found a working initrd, but there was no usb kbd or mouse drivers on it, so I couln't type |
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| 07:30.34 | moof2 | aaannnd as if that weren't enough... can't get my cdrom to boot |
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| 07:30.49 | moof2 | so that machine is presently in limbo |
| 07:30.56 | fluffybunnyuk_ | oops not good |
| 07:31.06 | moof2 | it comes out of limbo when my foot-s there... |
| 07:31.25 | fluffybunnyuk_ | im trying to find a way to build coreutils without the silly man stuff |
| 07:31.42 | moof2 | you mean build a package of it? |
| 07:31.54 | moof2 | you can't avoid silly men |
| 07:31.59 | freax | these symptoms, especially the problems during boot and the CDROM no longer working are telling me that you have a lot of AC ripple on your DC bus |
| 07:32.05 | freax | ie, power supply is in need of replacement |
| 07:32.06 | fluffybunnyuk_ | every time i make it it fails on poxy man pages |
| 07:32.15 | freax | the next symptom is that the computer is fried |
| 07:32.48 | netlar | moof2: help |
| 07:32.49 | moof2 | that's kinda less of a symptom... |
| 07:33.00 | moof2 | netlar, ? |
| 07:33.13 | netlar | How do I get to my flash drive now |
| 07:33.31 | moof2 | look at dmesg | head |
| 07:33.52 | moof2 | it should tell you what device it is, then you can mount it somewhere |
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| 07:34.28 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, poxy? or proxy? |
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| 07:34.40 | netlar | ok, don't see it there |
| 07:34.53 | moof2 | like it might be /dev/sdb |
| 07:35.13 | moof2 | oh, got the command wrong, you want to see the end of dmesg, not the start |
| 07:35.24 | moof2 | look at dmesg | tail |
| 07:35.30 | fluffybunnyuk_ | poxy ...silly |
| 07:35.47 | moof2 | I've never heard of a poxy |
| 07:36.12 | moof2 | I've heard of epoxy |
| 07:36.45 | moof2 | really sticky stuff |
| 07:36.56 | Hoyt | themill: ha, I didn't notice the PM ... |
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| 07:39.36 | netlar | moof2: now what do i do |
| 07:39.39 | milligan | If my wheezy install turns on the screenlock automatically, and the monitors switch off.. when I shake my mouse and the screens come back on, the password dialog doesn't show. If I then proceed to type my password, it works. If I press ctrl+alt+l to lock, it will work perfectly when I shake my mouse. Ideas ? |
| 07:39.47 | moof2 | did you install the package? |
| 07:40.13 | netlar | still have not mounted usb flash yet |
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| 07:40.48 | moof2 | oh, netlar, I got the command wrong... look at dmesg | tail |
| 07:40.56 | netlar | idd htat |
| 07:40.58 | netlar | now what |
| 07:41.13 | m4k | What is linux-headers-rt |
| 07:41.24 | moof2 | look near the bottom, do you see anything like new usb device? |
| 07:42.02 | netlar | I see sdc: sdc1 sdc 2 at the end |
| 07:42.20 | moof2 | that could be your device |
| 07:42.34 | moof2 | try this as root: |
| 07:42.45 | moof2 | mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt |
| 07:42.51 | netlar | think it is cause that showed up with I plugged it in |
| 07:43.00 | moof2 | yes |
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| 07:43.18 | moof2 | also you seem to have partitions on that device |
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| 07:43.41 | bonjoyee | hello #debian |
| 07:44.02 | netlar | moof2: how do i get to root |
| 07:44.09 | freax | hi |
| 07:44.42 | moof2 | try su - |
| 07:44.53 | fluffybunnyuk_ | sometimes u just wanna say rm -rf / moof :D |
| 07:45.01 | moof2 | and then enter the root password (whatever you set it to |
| 07:45.12 | freax | lol |
| 07:45.22 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, that';s meen to say :) |
| 07:45.28 | fluffybunnyuk_ | makes it easy to find root then |
| 07:45.32 | freax | no its not, its humane |
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| 07:45.34 | netlar | moof2: says No password entry for user |
| 07:46.13 | moof2 | ok, maybe we did it wrong... try: su - (then hit enter) |
| 07:46.20 | moof2 | it will ask for the passwd |
| 07:46.26 | moof2 | type that in, hit enter |
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| 07:46.41 | netlar | got it |
| 07:47.08 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, I stick my tongue out at you: :P~~~ |
| 07:47.14 | netlar | ok did the mount |
| 07:47.16 | moof2 | oh, excuse the spray |
| 07:47.18 | moof2 | great |
| 07:47.30 | netlar | Now what |
| 07:47.33 | moof2 | do you understand the parts of the mount command |
| 07:47.49 | moof2 | mount joins a unit of storage onto a dir |
| 07:48.02 | moof2 | try: ls /mnt |
| 07:48.08 | netlar | moof2: ok, what i thogjht |
| 07:48.13 | netlar | Nothing int here |
| 07:48.28 | moof2 | nothing? ok, we'll try the second partition |
| 07:48.37 | moof2 | first umount /mnt |
| 07:48.51 | moof2 | then mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt |
| 07:49.05 | netlar | says device is busy |
| 07:49.26 | pythoncoder | There are easier distros than Debian for beginners |
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| 07:50.06 | moof2 | netlar, when you did which? |
| 07:50.25 | boudiccas | i want to go through a folder replacing the word 'boztu' with the word 'boudiccas' but how. not every file contains 'boztu' just some, but i havnt got the faintest how to do it. can you help please? |
| 07:50.26 | freax | yeah but none with the same bragging rights |
| 07:50.28 | moof2 | aka what says "device is busy"? |
| 07:50.38 | netlar | ok got it finallyh |
| 07:50.59 | netlar | I can see the deb package now |
| 07:51.10 | moof2 | so it was in /dev/sdc2? |
| 07:51.15 | netlar | yes |
| 07:51.18 | moof2 | great |
| 07:51.35 | moof2 | is there only one .deb in there? |
| 07:51.43 | netlar | yes |
| 07:51.48 | moof2 | is there only one -file- in there? |
| 07:51.50 | netlar | how do i run that again? |
| 07:52.00 | netlar | yes, that is all i put on that flash drive |
| 07:52.05 | moof2 | try this dpkg -i (then hit tab) |
| 07:52.21 | pythoncoder | You want bragging rights? Use arch ;-) |
| 07:52.35 | moof2 | or slackware |
| 07:52.44 | pythoncoder | indeed |
| 07:52.49 | freax | lol |
| 07:52.55 | netlar | ok ran it |
| 07:52.58 | freax | thats not why I chose deb, been using it since potato :PP |
| 07:53.00 | moof2 | great... |
| 07:53.04 | netlar | said it set it up |
| 07:53.13 | moof2 | now try: modprobe linksys |
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| 07:53.39 | moof2 | you said "linksys" was the driver name? |
| 07:53.40 | netlar | not found |
| 07:53.47 | moof2 | hmm. |
| 07:53.55 | netlar | no ralink |
| 07:54.16 | moof2 | oh |
| 07:54.21 | moof2 | try modprobe ralink |
| 07:54.35 | netlar | said no too |
| 07:54.53 | moof2 | ok, so I need help to help this guy |
| 07:55.06 | moof2 | I'm at my wit's end :) |
| 07:55.10 | somiaj | if it is the same card, the module name is rt2800usb and you need the firmware-ralink package |
| 07:55.24 | freax | is usb up and working? |
| 07:55.32 | moof2 | I think he installed the firmware pkg just now |
| 07:56.17 | netlar | i did lsusb, it is not there |
| 07:56.44 | moof2 | ok, try modprobe rt2800usb |
| 07:57.13 | mumpitze1 | netlar: do you know what hardware you actually have? |
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| 07:57.23 | netlar | ok, i just went back to prompt |
| 07:57.34 | moof2 | ok, try lsusb again |
| 07:57.47 | netlar | did, not there |
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| 07:58.01 | moof2 | hmm |
| 07:58.09 | moof2 | dmesg | tail |
| 07:58.13 | mumpitze1 | netlar: what does lsubs -nn show? |
| 07:58.15 | moof2 | see if it did anything |
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| 07:58.22 | netlar | it is a link sys wusb600n |
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| 07:59.51 | moof2 | somiaj, did you get to this point earlier from the live cd? |
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| 08:00.03 | somiaj | moof2: yes |
| 08:00.04 | netlar | there is no -nn option to lsusb |
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| 08:00.16 | somiaj | moof2: his card uses the rt2800usb module |
| 08:00.25 | somiaj | did the firmware installer not just detect it? |
| 08:00.26 | mumpitze1 | sorry, lspci wants it. then lsusb only |
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| 08:00.45 | moof2 | he says he ran that command and got blank response |
| 08:01.14 | moof2 | the command being modprobe rt2800usb |
| 08:01.24 | somiaj | that is a good thing |
| 08:01.33 | somiaj | if you get no output it means it worked |
| 08:01.40 | moof2 | I would say next thing is to check dmesg | tail |
| 08:01.52 | somiaj | that also /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 08:02.03 | moof2 | no nudes is good nudes! |
| 08:02.09 | netlar | ok, says the device is registered |
| 08:02.21 | moof2 | sounds good so far |
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| 08:02.54 | somiaj | netlar: does your wireless network use wpa or wep? |
| 08:03.07 | somiaj | (i'm assuming he just has a minimial base system and is in a console?) |
| 08:03.13 | netlar | wpa |
| 08:03.22 | moof2 | yes, base only |
| 08:03.39 | moof2 | from the netinst which didn't find the driver (unfortunately) |
| 08:04.04 | moof2 | or didn't find something... |
| 08:04.15 | netlar | The wlan0 does not show the adapter by name |
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| 08:04.22 | moof2 | in any case net configuration in the installer failed |
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| 08:04.41 | moof2 | netlar, try ifconfig wlan0 |
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| 08:04.45 | somiaj | have him put this in his /etc/network/interfaces file, http://paste.debian.net/4926 |
| 08:04.54 | moof2 | ok |
| 08:04.55 | somiaj | then run ifup wlan0=NETWORKALAIS |
| 08:05.11 | somiaj | moof2: /sbin/ifconfig -a (that is useful as it shows all interfaces even non configured ones) |
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| 08:05.32 | moof2 | ok, that one is familiar |
| 08:05.36 | netlar | moof2: all 0 in packages |
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| 08:05.59 | netlar | moof2: but the lo shows numbers |
| 08:06.20 | moof2 | oh ok. |
| 08:06.27 | moof2 | let me tell you where we are |
| 08:07.00 | moof2 | you have successfully inserted the driver, and the interface called wlan0 is known to the kernel |
| 08:07.16 | moof2 | what is not yet, is it's not got an IP |
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| 08:07.27 | moof2 | and not connected to AP |
| 08:07.31 | netlar | ok |
| 08:07.55 | netlar | so I am toast again then |
| 08:08.14 | moof2 | but... we're in that place of possible frustration as we're presently going very slowly |
| 08:08.19 | moof2 | but, we're going! |
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| 08:08.38 | somiaj | netlar: it is worthwhile getting use to the cli. It is overwhelming, but gives you far more power |
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| 08:09.05 | moof2 | let me see what somiaj has instore for us |
| 08:09.21 | netlar | somiaj: agreed, but I am spending so much time here, just on connecting my wireless adabter |
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| 08:09.54 | netlar | moof2: I should be doing this all in root right? |
| 08:10.48 | moof2 | yeah, and having said that, you're presently logged in as root... which is semi dangerous as you can do anything |
| 08:11.15 | moof2 | the usual rule of thumb is breathe a lot and count to ten before hitting enter on commands :) |
| 08:11.20 | netlar | believe me , not playing around |
| 08:11.49 | moof2 | we are making progress |
| 08:12.00 | moof2 | just really slow and tedious right now |
| 08:12.27 | moof2 | next, nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:12.32 | netlar | ok, moof2 it does show up when I do lsusb |
| 08:12.39 | moof2 | anything in there? |
| 08:12.44 | moof2 | great |
| 08:13.08 | moof2 | and as mentioned it's not bad to get this experience |
| 08:13.22 | netlar | and it is RT2870 |
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| 08:13.33 | moof2 | you may not understand any specifics after this, but still the experience of this is good |
| 08:13.41 | moof2 | so YOU are making progress also |
| 08:14.09 | netlar | moof2: I know love doing this, just be nice to move little bit faster |
| 08:14.28 | moof2 | we'll try |
| 08:14.31 | netlar | so do the mod probe again? |
| 08:15.03 | moof2 | the purpose of modprobe is to make the driver load into the kernel, and that's already done |
| 08:15.17 | moof2 | we may have to do something to make that happen every boot |
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| 08:15.30 | netlar | but the driver is RT2870 not RT2800 right |
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| 08:16.25 | moof2 | not sure, but in any case that driver seems to be handling the card |
| 08:16.46 | netlar | ok, so do not do mod probe again |
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| 08:17.34 | moof2 | no, it's permanent until you remove the module or reboot |
| 08:17.55 | moof2 | look at these three lines: |
| 08:18.01 | moof2 | iface NETWORKALAIS inet dhcp |
| 08:18.01 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.01 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.05 | netlar | ok |
| 08:18.19 | moof2 | you want to put them in the file /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:18.40 | moof2 | so, nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:19.03 | moof2 | and I guess you have to just type them in |
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| 08:20.14 | moof2 | and, you would replace ESSID with the sid of your access point, and PASSWORD with its password |
| 08:21.22 | histo | moof2: shouldn't the installer configure the network now that the module is loaded? |
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| 08:21.59 | moof2 | histo: I can't tell how to get back into the installer after the fact... he's already booted into the installation |
| 08:22.12 | moof2 | histo, I wish there were a way to do that :) |
| 08:22.13 | netlar | is that NETWORKALAIS or NETWORKALIAS |
| 08:22.16 | histo | moof2: ohhh thought he hadn't installed yet sorry ignore me |
| 08:22.40 | moof2 | no problem :) it's good at least, that you nkow why :) |
| 08:23.18 | moof2 | netlar, leave it spelled incorrectly... he has something else spelled incorrectly the same way |
| 08:23.19 | mumpitze1 | netlar: alias |
| 08:23.51 | mumpitze1 | and the alias would be "wlan0" or such. all words in caps need to be replaced |
| 08:24.31 | netlar | so it is alias for sure? |
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| 08:24.55 | moof2 | mumpitze1, we got this :) pls don't change things |
| 08:25.24 | moof2 | if he really wants to, he can correct the spelling later |
| 08:25.42 | mumpitze1 | moof2: you renamed a interface to "NETWORKALAIS"? where? |
| 08:25.45 | netlar | moof2: ok I am going to save it now |
| 08:26.26 | mumpitze1 | moof2: not to mention I see no "auto" line |
| 08:26.29 | moof2 | once you save the file, you can try ifup wlan0=NETWORKALAIS |
| 08:26.46 | netlar | yes, the lo has auto |
| 08:27.16 | moof2 | mumpitze1, true... later we will need a way to make the modprobbing permanent |
| 08:27.30 | netlar | and the lo in the file has iface lo |
| 08:27.52 | mumpitze1 | moof2: I didn't write anything about modprobing either. and it's pointless since he is inside the debian installer, no? |
| 08:28.26 | moof2 | yes, no |
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| 08:28.38 | moof2 | err no, he's booted into the installation |
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| 08:28.50 | netlar | So what am I doing now |
| 08:29.11 | cardiel | so jessie is testing now? |
| 08:29.12 | moof2 | netlar, did you save the file? |
| 08:29.21 | netlar | not yet, go ahead? |
| 08:29.24 | moof2 | yes |
| 08:29.39 | moof2 | did you put your ssid and pw in there? |
| 08:29.59 | netlar | ok |
| 08:30.02 | netlar | now what |
| 08:30.06 | netlar | yes |
| 08:30.09 | moof2 | are you back at the prompt? |
| 08:30.12 | netlar | yes |
| 08:30.20 | moof2 | ok, try this: |
| 08:30.28 | moof2 | once you save the file, you can try ifup wlan0=NETWORKALAIS |
| 08:30.52 | moof2 | if you corrected the spelling of ALIAS, you have to do it here too |
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| 08:31.34 | netlar | ok, says it is listening |
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| 08:31.52 | netlar | think it may be working now |
| 08:32.02 | moof2 | ok, |
| 08:32.08 | moof2 | try: ping google.com |
| 08:32.28 | netlar | keeps saying DHCPDISOVER on wlan0 |
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| 08:32.49 | moof2 | oh, it's trying to get the AP's attention and have it send an IP |
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| 08:33.01 | moof2 | new command: cat |
| 08:33.02 | moof2 | try: |
| 08:33.07 | netlar | but then it says no DHCPOFFERS |
| 08:33.12 | moof2 | cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:33.18 | fluffybunnyuk_ | no CHEAPOFFERS? |
| 08:33.21 | mumpitze1 | moof2: just checking, did you make him check that the firmware file has been actually loaded via dmesg output? |
| 08:33.25 | freax | eye aye eye aye eye |
| 08:33.33 | moof2 | make sure the ssid and pw are correct |
| 08:33.43 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, so cute... |
| 08:33.52 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i am ty |
| 08:33.57 | netlar | yes, it has the file info |
| 08:33.58 | fluffybunnyuk_ | be nice to the girly |
| 08:34.09 | mumpitze1 | fluffybunnyuk_: do you have a debian support problem? |
| 08:34.22 | freax | fluffybunnyuk_: come over to #debian-offtopic |
| 08:34.24 | freax | :) |
| 08:34.37 | freax | come = hop on |
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| 08:35.47 | moof2 | mumpitze1, no, havent' checked that |
| 08:35.59 | moof2 | he did install the firmware .deb |
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| 08:36.19 | mumpitze1 | moof2: he then also needs to reload the module so the firmware can be loaded |
| 08:36.20 | infinity0 | how do i get uscan to parse a rss file? |
| 08:36.55 | moof2 | he installed the .deb then modprobed |
| 08:36.56 | mumpitze1 | often, simply loading the driver without firmware will load the driver, produce an interface but of course not a working one |
| 08:37.02 | moof2 | I think :) |
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| 08:37.22 | moof2 | yeah, we have to see which it is |
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| 08:37.40 | moof2 | if his pw and ssid are correct, then the firmware might not have loaded |
| 08:38.34 | mumpitze1 | generally the kernel output should have a few lines, if it authenticated or not. if it did, the driver+firmware are ok |
| 08:38.37 | moof2 | unfortunately we have to futz with this, being not totally sure what the problem is until things start workign |
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| 08:39.24 | moof2 | netlar, do the password and ssid look good? |
| 08:39.33 | netlar | yep |
| 08:39.42 | moof2 | ok, try this: |
| 08:39.53 | moof2 | first stop the ifup |
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| 08:40.09 | netlar | heh? |
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| 08:40.53 | netlar | ifup stop? |
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| 08:41.41 | freax | ifdown wlan0, right? |
| 08:42.17 | moof2 | if you're at a promt, try the ifdown wlan0 |
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| 08:43.06 | netlar | ok |
| 08:43.08 | netlar | done |
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| 08:44.19 | netlar | I did the dmesg and it does say rt2800usb firmware again loaded rt2870.bin into memory |
| 08:44.44 | netlar | agent |
| 08:45.25 | netlar | But the last line does say wlan0: link not ready |
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| 08:47.10 | harlan | what do I need to do to create some symlinks in /dev at boot time? |
| 08:48.12 | moof2 | it should do that automatically by probing for devices |
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| 08:48.49 | harlan | I need to create some symlinks - is that a udev thing? |
| 08:48.54 | netlar | Are we making progress? |
| 08:48.56 | mumpitze1 | harlan: usually some sort of /etc/udev/rules.d/ file ? |
| 08:48.59 | moof2 | netlar, |
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| 08:49.14 | harlan | 'k, thanks mumpitze1 |
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| 08:49.24 | moof2 | I was just reviewing some stuff from this irc |
| 08:49.27 | netlar | moof2: yes |
| 08:49.52 | moof2 | we need to know if the firmware got loaded ok, and indication of this should be somewhere in dmesg output |
| 08:49.54 | netlar | moof2: that is ok, I am glad you are helping me |
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| 08:50.14 | netlar | did you see what i typed? |
| 08:50.36 | netlar | I did the dmesg and it does say rt2800usb firmware again loaded rt2870.bin into memory |
| 08:50.48 | netlar | agent* |
| 08:50.50 | moof2 | oh ok, the firmware did load |
| 08:51.11 | moof2 | did you have to alter the passwd or ssid in the interfaces file? |
| 08:51.18 | moof2 | or was it already correct? |
| 08:51.27 | netlar | moof2: but the last line does say wlan0: link is not ready |
| 08:51.28 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i think my distros borked |
| 08:51.51 | netlar | that was already corrrect |
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| 08:52.24 | fluffybunnyuk_ | everytime i try to configure m4 it cant find libgmp despite the fact i just installed it.... |
| 08:52.30 | moof2 | ok, try: ifup wlan0=NETWORKALAIS |
| 08:52.54 | moof2 | wow :) an m4 fan :) |
| 08:53.11 | moof2 | patpats his sources.list.m4 |
| 08:53.29 | netlar | you know I am using wpa2, does that matter? |
| 08:53.31 | fluffybunnyuk_ | no i just need it as a dep |
| 08:54.00 | moof2 | let's check w/ somiaj |
| 08:54.25 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, it's packaged and should be in the archive... |
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| 08:54.55 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i could cry into my coffee its so much hard work getting packages to compile i was 40 away from a boootable system too ;( |
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| 08:55.21 | moof2 | hmm, I want coffee! |
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| 08:55.35 | freax | double decaf for me thanks |
| 08:56.16 | moof2 | somiaj, you still around? |
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| 08:57.20 | freax | do aldi put wood dust into their coffee? |
| 08:57.45 | fluffybunnyuk_ | yup no gcc is now broken :( its terminal |
| 08:59.56 | moof2 | ok, no somiaj at the moment. he's got wpa2, does he need to do anything special to support that? |
| 09:00.16 | fluffybunnyuk_ | 140,738,705,241,959bytes is a bit big for a distro install isnt it? |
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| 09:00.30 | freax | thats 140 terabytes |
| 09:00.31 | fluffybunnyuk_ | no wonder my builds crashed must be corrupt fs |
| 09:00.32 | freax | by my reckoning |
| 09:00.42 | moof2 | that's a lotta bytes |
| 09:01.20 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i only got as far as 70 packages onto a blank hd so id say linux is more bloated than windows by that filesize |
| 09:01.40 | freax | can't be as bad as what was happening to me the other night |
| 09:01.58 | freax | was trying to install wordpress and the apache logs filled up the hdd |
| 09:02.36 | freax | not wordpress, minibb |
| 09:03.22 | fluffybunnyuk_ | thats not good my system wud refuse to boot then |
| 09:03.27 | moof2 | netlar, let's find out... |
| 09:03.41 | netlar | huh? |
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| 09:03.59 | moof2 | netlar, ifup wlan0=NETWORKALAIS |
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| 09:04.45 | netlar | Says that interface slang is already configured |
| 09:04.54 | netlar | wlan0 |
| 09:05.14 | moof2 | netlar, ifdown wlan0=NETWORKALAIS |
| 09:05.23 | moof2 | then |
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| 09:05.25 | moof2 | netlar, ifup wlan0=NETWORKALAIS |
| 09:05.31 | netlar | sorry |
| 09:05.43 | moof2 | np. |
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| 09:06.02 | netlar | ok, now what |
| 09:06.19 | moof2 | watch to see if the dhcpoffers come in |
| 09:06.24 | netlar | ok |
| 09:06.55 | moof2 | all, how do you get wpa2 going? |
| 09:07.20 | netlar | No offers |
| 09:07.21 | freax | uhm |
| 09:07.29 | freax | i'm running wpa2 i think |
| 09:07.32 | freax | let me check my debian box |
| 09:07.40 | moof2 | ok, thanks |
| 09:07.48 | netlar | moof2: it is from my apple time capsule |
| 09:08.55 | Dark_light | Using gnome on wheezy when I first log in my online accounts status (the little comix like bubble in the top right corner) always shows that I'm offline but the dropdown menu (the one where there's poweroff etc) shows me connected |
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| 09:09.19 | fluffybunnyuk_ | dont bother with that use wep and let everyone surf ur connection ;p |
| 09:09.32 | netlar | I have a feeling I may not be cut out for Linux |
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| 09:09.45 | freax | upping to pastebin |
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| 09:10.12 | freax | http://pastebin.com/jR8MrEjC |
| 09:10.19 | freax | thats how mine is setup in interfaces |
| 09:10.23 | freax | works like a charm |
| 09:10.52 | freax | Authentication: WPA2-PSK |
| 09:10.52 | freax | Encryption Technique: AES+TKIP |
| 09:10.55 | fluffybunnyuk_ | lol no wonder its bugeed if ur wpa2 id is CENSORED :D |
| 09:11.03 | freax | lol |
| 09:11.46 | freax | yep, i'm running wpa2 personal with TKIP+AES |
| 09:11.48 | freax | and those are my settings |
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| 09:12.01 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, the sensation you feel would be way too strong if it were uncensored... |
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| 09:12.01 | fluffybunnyuk_ | dont u have a network manager i feel lazy |
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| 09:12.22 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, no x yet, base only right now |
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| 09:13.08 | netlar | moof2: think I am going to call it a night |
| 09:13.22 | freax | take it slow, small steps :) |
| 09:13.31 | fluffybunnyuk_ | yup or u end up like me |
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| 09:13.38 | fluffybunnyuk_ | having to redo a weeks work |
| 09:13.41 | freax | lol |
| 09:14.14 | netlar | moof2: and I may be calling it quits too on this little experimnet |
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| 09:15.17 | netlar | moof2: Linux does not appear to be right for me |
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| 09:16.08 | netlar | moof2: I do appreicite you trying to help me |
| 09:16.13 | fluffybunnyuk_ | whats up netiar? |
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| 09:16.30 | netlar | fluffybunnyuk_: huh? |
| 09:16.42 | freax | I found that when I couldn't get my eeepc 1000h setup on the netinst distro I just put a cd1 copy of deb onto a usb flash and went from there, was far easier than tackling netinst |
| 09:17.00 | moof2 | freax, so you have a static setup |
| 09:17.04 | freax | yeah |
| 09:17.23 | freax | just swap static out for dhcp and remove the lines beneath it for ip/etc |
| 09:17.27 | freax | if you want dhcp |
| 09:17.32 | moof2 | netlar, ok, np... we did try :) |
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| 09:18.00 | moof2 | iface something inet dhcp would be for dhcp |
| 09:18.01 | netlar | moof2: thanks again, and I guess at least it showed me that Linux is not for me |
| 09:18.16 | freax | yep |
| 09:18.39 | moof2 | netlar, I would recommend you hold judgement on that... |
| 09:18.57 | freax | netlar: you know where I started out? on a mini 1.44MB linux distro, back in 1998, I'm now only just starting to be confident with running my own website on debian 6.0 :) |
| 09:18.58 | fluffybunnyuk_ | id have gone with wicd myself |
| 09:19.18 | moof2 | silly bunny :) |
| 09:19.23 | moof2 | he doesn't have x yet :) |
| 09:19.32 | netlar | freax: that is cool, but not sure i have 10 years |
| 09:19.47 | likeRfoxl | is there a way to list obsolete packages outside of aptitude? |
| 09:19.50 | moof2 | I like wicd also |
| 09:19.51 | freax | oh if you have these guys help it'll be half that |
| 09:19.55 | fluffybunnyuk_ | id recommend getting a full distro then and installing that |
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| 09:20.13 | fluffybunnyuk_ | much easier way into linux |
| 09:20.29 | netlar | freax: this is just a side hobby, not a lifestyle |
| 09:20.32 | netlar | for me |
| 09:20.43 | freax | same here |
| 09:20.47 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, we tried to get debian on his box to no avail... |
| 09:20.52 | netlar | good night all |
| 09:20.56 | freax | you gotta take time to get aquainted with the commands :) |
| 09:20.59 | freax | nini |
| 09:21.00 | fluffybunnyuk_ | use suse then its more reliable :D |
| 09:21.18 | moof2 | I've used suse before :) |
| 09:21.37 | dawud | fluffybunnyuk_: more reliable than Debian? how? |
| 09:21.43 | fluffybunnyuk_ | once u get familiar with command prompt from using that then u can move onto deb or gentoo |
| 09:22.00 | freax | preaching to the chior honey |
| 09:22.01 | freax | he's gone |
| 09:22.06 | fluffybunnyuk_ | cos for the novice its very point and click |
| 09:22.36 | moof2 | pointy is too sharp... clickey is too loud... |
| 09:22.36 | dawud | fluffybunnyuk_: and how is that related to reliability? |
| 09:22.57 | fluffybunnyuk_ | cos itd auto install his wireless for him |
| 09:23.30 | Dark_light | funny 'cause there's a bug in the latest opensuse where till you run the updates you'll be stuck without wireless :P |
| 09:23.38 | freax | hahah |
| 09:24.00 | dawud | fluffybunnyuk_: unless his interface uses a propietary controller, the DI would do that to automatically |
| 09:24.10 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i dont care i use bunnys distro and it works for me |
| 09:24.44 | dawud | fluffybunnyuk_: it's OK, but please don't say Debian is not reliable |
| 09:24.46 | fluffybunnyuk_ | im just a girly so i cant handle debian ::p |
| 09:24.59 | dawud | fluffybunnyuk_: my mother uses Debian |
| 09:25.09 | freax | I find that I am more calm and content with debian |
| 09:25.12 | freax | over any other distro |
| 09:25.19 | freax | writing su all the time, just drives me up the wall |
| 09:25.34 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i would use deb but i like a secure system |
| 09:25.51 | dawud | freax: that is totally unrelated to whatever distro you happen to like/enjoy/use |
| 09:25.57 | dawud | fluffybunnyuk_: oh, boy |
| 09:26.09 | jimcooncat | what is the debian-live-7.0.0-i386-standard.iso CD image? Does this give me a text-based installer? |
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| 09:26.36 | dawud | jimcooncat: choose advanced installation and yes |
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| 09:26.59 | boudiccas | fluffybunnyuk_, BS! i'm a woman of mature years and have been using debian for a couple of years without problems, its more of an attitude taht you CAN do it! |
| 09:28.12 | fluffybunnyuk_ | im glad u can then!! |
| 09:28.17 | mumpitze1 | fluffybunnyuk_: I would like you to stay on the channel topic and do less trolling. please keep in line with the channel guidelines |
| 09:28.20 | boudiccas | !u |
| 09:28.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:28.47 | moof2 | wud u ever say ne1?! |
| 09:28.55 | Dark_light | I like debian because of how polished it is, after installing it for him even my father use it for work on an everyday basis, and he's the kind of guy that when he saw his homepage changed he thought google was dead and his emails were lost |
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| 09:30.51 | fluffybunnyuk_ | im on topic im talking aboout wheezy :D |
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| 09:32.24 | anddam | I see package qtstalker is in oldstable and in sid but not in stable |
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| 09:32.40 | anddam | the same untouched version in oldstable and sid |
| 09:32.59 | mumpitze1 | probably orphaned or abandoned by upstream |
| 09:33.06 | anddam | are there any reason it wasn't brought to stable? |
| 09:33.10 | moof2 | then you could try it in stable to see if it works. this is not guaranteed however |
| 09:33.23 | moof2 | maybe try a simple backport |
| 09:33.43 | anddam | mmm I see the sid package is m68k |
| 09:34.11 | moof2 | either it was removed from wheezy before release or there were too many bugs for it to remain when wheezy was testing |
| 09:34.16 | anddam | so I'd say it's been dropped in x86. Actually the package development slowly continues, I guess the fact htat latest stable is 2008 doesn't helpè |
| 09:35.43 | moof2 | you could see how it happened, by looking at the packages.debian.org entry for it |
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| 09:45.31 | anddam | moof2: I was already looking at PDO but how can I see what happened in squeeze->wheezy? |
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| 09:46.26 | moof2 | anddamI would have imagined it's the last thing that happened if no change in sid |
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| 09:50.32 | Giuaigx | hello, i'm on SID and i can't upgrade system 'coz "libgl1-mesa-dri" break apt...am i the only one? |
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| 09:52.11 | xand | I don't think sid is supported here? |
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| 09:52.45 | Giuaigx | ops, there is another chan for sid? |
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| 09:53.48 | themill | !btssmite Giuaigx |
| 09:53.48 | dpkg | beats Giuaigx around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Giuaigx is running testing or unstable |
| 09:53.57 | themill | dpkg: tell Giuaigx about multiarch changelogs |
| 09:56.25 | Giuaigx | themill, thanks |
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| 10:08.48 | davis776 | Hello, does wheezy contain any dns caching daemon or something by default? |
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| 10:09.11 | bin | Okay guys it keeps me disconnecting from the wireless. I set nohwcrypt=1 as an option to my Atheros 9462 network controller and unloaded and loaded the module again .. Actually the problem is not in disconnecting like trying to reconnect but the internet just stops. Before adding the nohwcrypt it was even more horrible it kept constantly disconnecting and asking me for password. Now it's better but still this problem remains. Any ideas? |
| 10:09.21 | bin | Debian 7 Wheezy |
| 10:09.53 | freax | tried a different channel? |
| 10:10.15 | xand | davis776: not installed by default AFAIK. you can install dnsmasq or something if you like |
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| 10:11.14 | CrowX- | hi, is there a project like the "debian hcl" one but for usb devices? |
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| 10:11.58 | bin | did you received my query about a problem or not ? |
| 10:12.29 | davis776 | xand, I dont want to use it but cant access some websites due to dns change... what has bigger priority "nameserver ..." in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:12.29 | bin | s/received/receive |
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| 10:12.49 | xand | davis776: /etc/resolv.conf is the one actually used |
| 10:13.17 | xand | davis776: resolv.conf may be updated by the interfaces file or elsewhere, depending on setup |
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| 10:13.36 | davis776 | xand, oh that would be the problem... gonna take lunch and change it, thank you so much |
| 10:14.07 | xand | davis776: if you use dhcp on your network, it'll update resolv.conf |
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| 10:22.35 | davis776 | xand no I dont actually |
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| 10:23.45 | davis776 | xand yop, its working now :) thanks again |
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| 10:24.48 | bin | Okay i guess noone received my question.. So here we go again.. |
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| 10:26.12 | bin | I have Acer Aspire V3-571G running Debian 7 Wheezy using Atheros 9462 Network Controller (wireless). First i used to disconnect me and prompt me for password after adding nohwcrypt=1 to ath9k.conf in the modprobe.d prompting is gone but... |
| 10:26.16 | freax | uhm |
| 10:26.31 | freax | you tried changing wifi channels? |
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| 10:26.42 | bin | of the router ? |
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| 10:26.53 | freax | of the AP yeah |
| 10:27.09 | bin | actually i m at work i have no access to the AP |
| 10:27.26 | bin | even set the wlan0 rate to 54M |
| 10:27.39 | freax | or any interference features |
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| 10:27.56 | freax | i keep my interference feature turned off |
| 10:28.05 | freax | and if i put it on, it does exactly what yours does |
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| 10:28.14 | freax | or if its on a channel thats occupied by another AP |
| 10:28.33 | bin | hm |
| 10:28.56 | bin | so what do you suggest ? |
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| 10:29.52 | bin | actually i use the same AP on my cell and it's quite ok there |
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| 10:30.44 | freax | interesting |
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| 10:31.04 | freax | might have to wait for someone more intelligent to help out |
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| 10:32.09 | bin | i have some grub issues i made a partial solutions but still have some issues |
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| 10:34.22 | freax | I've got an issue myself with apt-get atm |
| 10:34.35 | freax | trying to resolve it atm |
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| 10:36.49 | bin | what's the problem? |
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| 10:38.20 | freax | Segmentation Fault |
| 10:38.23 | freax | when running apt-get |
| 10:38.56 | freax | tried deleting the *.bin's inside /var/cache/apt/ |
| 10:39.00 | freax | didn't work |
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| 10:39.13 | freax | its a virtual machine |
| 10:39.28 | bin | actually did you check the repository name ? |
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| 10:39.34 | bin | addr |
| 10:39.35 | bin | i mean |
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| 10:41.26 | freax | I haven't touched the repository lists, its exactly how it should be on a fresh 6.0 install |
| 10:41.28 | freax | but i'll check it |
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| 10:42.25 | bin | freax: |
| 10:42.32 | freax | http://pastebin.com/uuP7fBaV |
| 10:42.34 | freax | thats a dump of lists |
| 10:42.49 | bin | 1. Increase the cache limit in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 10:42.59 | bin | 2. Just delete the apt.conf ( not recommended) |
| 10:43.02 | freax | etc/apt/apt.conf doesn't exist |
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| 10:43.06 | freax | i looked there |
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| 10:43.22 | bin | what do you have in there |
| 10:43.22 | freax | theres a directory called apt.conf.d |
| 10:43.22 | bin | ? |
| 10:43.27 | bin | aha |
| 10:43.29 | freax | root@www:/etc/apt# ls |
| 10:43.29 | freax | apt.conf.d secring.gpg sources.list~ trustdb.gpg trusted.gpg~ |
| 10:43.30 | freax | preferences.d sources.list sources.list.d trusted.gpg trusted.gpg.d |
| 10:43.30 | freax | root@www:/etc/apt# |
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| 10:45.40 | bin | freax: inside it there is 50unattended-upgrades |
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| 10:46.18 | bin | no, probably the problem is not from there |
| 10:46.20 | freax | how'd you get to that conclusion |
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| 10:46.25 | freax | mmm |
| 10:47.29 | freax | I'll do a reboot |
| 10:47.32 | freax | maybe it'll fix itself |
| 10:47.43 | bin | hmm it's related to the mem after all |
| 10:47.49 | freax | LOL |
| 10:47.58 | freax | suprising considering its a virtual system |
| 10:48.25 | bin | you still share the memory |
| 10:48.29 | bin | from the host system |
| 10:48.58 | freax | mhm |
| 10:49.40 | bin | so how much memory did you insulate |
| 10:49.54 | freax | I'm only allocated 256MB |
| 10:49.58 | freax | its probably not enough |
| 10:50.01 | freax | to top it off |
| 10:50.13 | bin | how much is your host memory |
| 10:50.17 | freax | the hosts are such tight arses that they only allocate me 6GB of hdd space |
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| 10:50.26 | freax | shrug |
| 10:50.36 | freax | I don't have physical access to the system or specs on it |
| 10:50.44 | mumpitze1 | and how much swap? |
| 10:50.53 | freax | 1GB swap |
| 10:51.13 | freax | tho I might not have set that |
| 10:51.18 | bin | haha |
| 10:51.19 | freax | ie, its running without a swap |
| 10:51.31 | mumpitze1 | which is probably your problem then |
| 10:51.34 | bin | so you rely only on 256 |
| 10:51.35 | freax | bingoo |
| 10:51.46 | freax | its a totally lightweight job tho |
| 10:51.47 | freax | apache2 |
| 10:51.48 | freax | thats it |
| 10:51.57 | freax | serving up pure html pages |
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| 10:52.01 | freax | thanks anyway guys |
| 10:52.04 | mumpitze1 | apt might not be so lightweight however |
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| 10:52.16 | freax | really, interesting |
| 10:52.18 | mumpitze1 | create a swap file and use it |
| 10:52.32 | freax | yeah gonna try |
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| 10:54.15 | bin | you might check as well |
| 10:54.27 | bin | when apt-get ... what' the mem status via top |
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| 10:55.29 | bin | actually it takes alot |
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| 10:57.07 | freax | done: |
| 10:57.07 | freax | Swap: 250 |
| 10:57.18 | bin | 250 MB |
| 10:57.19 | bin | ? |
| 10:57.21 | freax | yep |
| 10:57.23 | freax | 0MB used of swap |
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| 10:57.51 | bin | usually use 2x mem |
| 10:58.09 | freax | yeah I'll up it if needed |
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| 10:58.16 | bin | my mem is 8 gb i have 8 swaps x 2 gbs |
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| 10:59.02 | bin | even now i have 6gbs used and i have only chrome and skype switched on and my IDE for coding but still it's alot |
| 10:59.13 | bin | so is the problem fixed? |
| 10:59.37 | freax | finding out |
| 11:00.13 | freax | yep |
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| 11:00.17 | freax | apt-get is working fine now :) |
| 11:01.07 | bin | good |
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| 11:02.31 | Rix | does apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade fix this security issues: http://www.debian.org/security/2013/dsa-2669 |
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| 11:03.24 | Rix | this one: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-1796 shows that the fixed version is 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 but uname -a shows 3.2.19-2 |
| 11:05.12 | RichiH | this is _sid_, but as #debian-next does not reply atm.. any suggestions on how to fix http://paste.debian.net/4939/ would be welcome |
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| 11:12.14 | fireba11 | Rix: how did you end up with 3.2.19? wheezy ships with 3.2.41, squeeze got something quite a bit older |
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| 11:13.42 | mumpitze1 | RichiH: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 11:14.06 | RichiH | 2.13-38 |
| 11:14.26 | RichiH | libc6:i386, libc6-dbg:i386, libc6-dev:i386, libc6-i686:i386 |
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| 11:15.10 | mumpitze1 | RichiH: I'm not sure why it uses libc6 from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov what version of libc6 is installed in that directory? |
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| 11:15.36 | mumpitze1 | maybe you could remove it? my sid has libssl and libcrypto in there for whatever reason |
| 11:15.49 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/4943/ |
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| 11:16.17 | mumpitze1 | looks like various dmm packages to me? |
| 11:17.06 | mumpitze1 | sorry. /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/ rather, not /usr/lib |
| 11:17.21 | mumpitze1 | basically check why the libc6 in /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/ is there, if at all possible, remove it |
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| 11:17.50 | mumpitze1 | or workaround: remove it for the apt-get upgrade, put it back in again afterwards |
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| 11:20.36 | Rix | fireba11 i've installed weezy in 20th march (wheezy7.0-rc1) and uname -a now shows Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:20.42 | Rix | wheezy* |
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| 11:21.17 | RichiH | mumpitze1: i will move it; not remove |
| 11:21.30 | RichiH | as i can't even start vim atm, i am kinda in a meh place |
| 11:21.40 | fireba11 | Rix: check what kernels are installed with "dpkg --get-selections | grep linux" please |
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| 11:22.35 | Rix | http://pastebin.com/h4nZWGkd |
| 11:23.15 | Rix | is this what you needed, fireba11 |
| 11:23.25 | fireba11 | yes, let me check |
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| 11:23.51 | Rix | thanks a lot |
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| 11:25.18 | jelly-home | Rix: what's the version of linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 package? |
| 11:25.33 | mumpitze1 | RichiH: check which dpkg -S which package put the file there |
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| 11:26.34 | Rix | jelly-home how can i check |
| 11:27.24 | RichiH | mumpitze1: rockhopper [2] ~ # dpkg -S /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/ |
| 11:27.24 | RichiH | libc6-i686:i386: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov |
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| 11:27.49 | Rix | ii linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 |
| 11:27.53 | jelly-home | Rix: dpkg -s packagename, or dpkg -l packagename, or even apt-cache policy packagename |
| 11:27.54 | Rix | :)))))) so i have the latest security patch |
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| 11:28.06 | jelly-home | Rix: that you just need to reboot into that kernel |
| 11:28.08 | jelly-home | then* |
| 11:28.30 | Rix | thanks a lot :) you are very kind and helpful! how can i reboot into it? |
| 11:28.36 | jelly-home | Rix: just reboot |
| 11:28.38 | fireba11 | ah, jelly was faster :-) had a suspicion that you just had to reboot to acutally use the new version |
| 11:28.42 | Rix | thanks a lot |
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| 11:30.28 | arkiver | I have a debian lenny system and want to install live-helper but it is not in any of the sources, when I download the .deb and try to install it throws dependency errors. When I try to install a depenedency package: bootstrap.deb, it throws error saying "the deb contains ununderstood data member" |
| 11:30.40 | arkiver | Is there an easier way to install live-helper in lenny ? |
| 11:30.59 | arkiver | I want to create a custom debian iso on top of my lenny |
| 11:31.15 | arkiver | and I want the custom cd to have the defualt debian installer UI |
| 11:31.48 | fireba11 | arkiver: lenny is way outdated |
| 11:32.24 | arkiver | fireba11, yeah :( unfortunately i have to create an ISO on top of it due to legacy issues |
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| 11:32.53 | fireba11 | arkiver: my condolences |
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| 11:36.59 | RichiH | jelly-home: any suggestions? |
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| 11:39.15 | arkiver | Is there any other way to create a lenny custom CD apart from using live-helper, since I can find no way to get it installed on lenny :( |
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| 11:45.09 | nyuszika7h | hi, I'm using the Debian 7.0.0 Wheezy Netinstall i386 ISO, and the installer tells me I need ipw2200-bss.fw. any idea where to get that from? looks like the network card. |
| 11:46.05 | mumpitze1 | nyuszika7h: it's your wlan chip yes. /msg dpkg installer firmware /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 11:46.50 | nyuszika7h | thanks |
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| 11:51.48 | vassilux | hi alls, sorry for the dummy question Is there a other way that simple-cdd to build a offline CD ? |
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| 11:57.07 | fireba11 | vassilux: why not take the ready-made iso? |
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| 11:57.30 | moof2 | and what's an offline cd? |
| 11:58.02 | fireba11 | moof2: probably contrary to netinstall but still :-) |
| 11:58.04 | antoineB | hello, i have a font in xft format and i want to have it in xfontsel format? |
| 11:58.12 | antoineB | xfontsel is buggy |
| 11:58.37 | nyuszika7h | Exception: [DefaultBtAnnounce.cc:233] errorCode=1 Tracker returned failure reason: torrent not found |
| 11:58.45 | nyuszika7h | I'm using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/bt-cd/firmware-7.0.0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 11:59.26 | vassilux | ok sorry. I use netisntall ison with my injected packages and scripts but want to make one with all needed packages. Sorry for my english |
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| 11:59.41 | moof2 | the netinstall cds have the base on the cd |
| 12:00.01 | moof2 | so you could install the base if the net remains unconfigured |
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| 12:00.41 | moof2 | oh ok |
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| 12:05.32 | wfq | Hi guys |
| 12:06.15 | wfq | where can I find the soapclient php sources that I installed by apt-get install please? |
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| 12:07.27 | nyuszika7h | wfq: dpkg -L PACKAGE_NAME | less |
| 12:08.22 | wfq | nyuszika7h, thanks |
| 12:08.28 | nyuszika7h | np |
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| 12:09.22 | arkiver | Can I use simple cdd to build an ISO from another ISO which I already have, but with new packages to be added ? |
| 12:09.27 | vassilux | Any idea how add the packages to the netinstall , Can I use apt-move for example ? |
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| 12:11.57 | vassilux | I got some troubles with iso generated with simple-cdd cause can't detect 9w-3xxx contoller and spend 4 days this week to produce a iso with wheezy |
| 12:12.16 | vassilux | without success |
| 12:14.03 | n3rV3 | vassilux, remastersys allows you to do the same, i haven't used it in a while thouh |
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| 12:14.06 | n3rV3 | *though |
| 12:14.13 | wdonkey | hey guys, noob question here, i've created directories on a remote machine and can't seem to be able to delete them, rm or sudo rm won't work, permission denied |
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| 12:15.50 | vassilux | ok thanks I loook |
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| 12:16.37 | n3rV3 | wdonkey, if sudo doesn't work then it could be because of extended attributes |
| 12:16.53 | wdonkey | not again |
| 12:17.04 | wdonkey | n3rV3, so how the hell do i fix it |
| 12:17.27 | bin | Okay guys heres the deal: I have SSD and HDD linux files and everything is on SSD but because i cant put grub on SSD i put it on HDD at first it was ok i guess. But now it allows me to boot only in recovery mode . as i can see if i boot in normal mode it goes to .. "load /dev/... utuilities" or something like that.. |
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| 12:17.38 | bin | and after that the screen goes black and nothings happends |
| 12:18.02 | n3rV3 | wdonkey, chattr -i <dirname> |
| 12:20.00 | zykotick9 | bin: just curious, why can't you put grub on your ssd? |
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| 12:21.45 | bin | because even if i put the ssd first in bios |
| 12:21.52 | bin | it checks in HDD |
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| 12:21.58 | bin | and just freeze and nothing happends |
| 12:22.01 | bin | happens |
| 12:22.34 | wdonkey | oh yeah, thanks n3rV3 it all turned out well ! |
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| 12:23.16 | n3rV3 | wdonkey, use lsattr -a <dirname> when in doubt |
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| 12:23.30 | wdonkey | what does it does |
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| 12:25.11 | n3rV3 | if any file/dir shows "i" in the output then it means that the immutable bit is set |
| 12:25.25 | n3rV3 | and it wont allow deletion of that particular file or dir |
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| 12:31.30 | Zitter | hi, I'm trying to connect my fi-630 scanner, but it seems it doesn't work. this is /var/log/message message when I plug: http://pastie.org/7925613 Is it normal last line Product=0, SerialNumber=0 ? |
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| 12:32.20 | Zitter | scanimage -L doesn't product output |
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| 12:33.17 | vassilux | If I understand well remastersys it is same as mondo so I can re-use in other hardware ? |
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| 12:43.06 | Zitter | even as root it doesn't work |
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| 12:47.10 | hio | is there a debian version with the latest kernel and gnome 3.8? I dont see how I need anything from the other distributions except those two things |
| 12:48.18 | bin | hio: some backported version i guess |
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| 12:49.05 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-shell |
| 12:49.06 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- jessie: 3.4.2-7; wheezy: 3.4.2-7; sid: 3.4.2-7+b1; experimental: 3.8.0.1-2 |
| 12:50.01 | bin | guys is it normal my wlan0 each 2 minutes to make a scan request |
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| 12:50.28 | abrotman | arey ou connected to an AP? |
| 12:50.33 | bin | yes |
| 12:50.37 | Dark_light | mmm does totem support .ass subtitle files? |
| 12:50.42 | bin | but i have some issues with the wife and i want to figure out why |
| 12:50.56 | abrotman | probably wrong channel for that ... |
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| 12:51.08 | bin | first i had that issues to get disconnected and prompted for password |
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| 12:51.18 | bin | i fixed that but still from time to time my wifi fies |
| 12:51.20 | bin | dies* |
| 12:51.50 | bin | abrotman: wrong channel what do you mean ? |
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| 12:52.51 | n3rV3 | abrotman, he probably meant wifi |
| 12:53.02 | n3rV3 | he did |
| 12:53.03 | n3rV3 | :) |
| 12:53.41 | bin | ....? |
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| 12:54.48 | mumpitze1 | bin: you wrote "wife" above instead of "wifi". and we don't troubleshoot wife problems here |
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| 12:55.48 | freax | lol |
| 12:55.54 | bin | oh sorry mates :) |
| 12:56.26 | bin | rofl after i read it it's quite funny |
| 12:56.48 | freax | indeed |
| 12:57.29 | mumpitze1 | so what are your wlan related problems? |
| 12:57.41 | bin | no smooth connectivity |
| 12:57.50 | Dark_light | anyone knows if totem supports .ass subtitles? or where can I check that? |
| 12:57.53 | mumpitze1 | antenna probably |
| 12:57.53 | bin | it does quite often |
| 12:58.00 | bin | no it's at work |
| 12:58.05 | Dark_light | it identifies them as subtitles files but doesn't display anything |
| 12:58.06 | bin | on my cell phone it\s ok |
| 12:58.16 | abrotman | bin: oh, sorry |
| 12:58.26 | abrotman | Dark_light: why not just try it? |
| 12:58.40 | bin | on iwevent i notice every 2 minutes scan requests |
| 12:58.54 | Dark_light | abrotman: I have and as I said it sees them as subtitles files and seems to open them but displays nothing |
| 12:58.56 | Dark_light | srt works |
| 12:59.14 | fireba11 | as long as he doesn't ask us to debug his wife ... |
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| 13:00.04 | mumpitze1 | bin: then it's most probably antenna problems |
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| 13:01.18 | bin | mumpitze1: welli will write about that problem later when i get back home .. |
| 13:01.29 | bin | to see if it's ok with my router |
| 13:01.46 | freax | I think he meant antenna problems in the laptop/desktop |
| 13:02.08 | bin | well it works just fine on windows |
| 13:02.19 | bin | and the laptop is quite new |
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| 13:02.38 | bin | never had a meeting face 2 face with the floor so.. |
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| 13:02.50 | freax | ah |
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| 13:03.07 | freax | can you boot into windows? would be able to run a sniffer tool then |
| 13:03.24 | bin | i dont have windows anymore :D |
| 13:03.45 | bin | sniffer hm .. good call |
| 13:03.47 | freax | got an x environment? |
| 13:04.18 | freax | yeah, find out of there is any AP's within 1 channel of your channel |
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| 13:04.32 | Dark_light | abrotman: this is the exact error |
| 13:04.33 | Dark_light | (totem:11063): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: value "10752000" of type `guint' is invalid or out of range for property `connection-speed' of type `guint |
| 13:04.45 | Dark_light | when loading an .ass file |
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| 13:05.06 | sssilver | Hello gentlemen. Do you typically install GUI/X on servers? |
| 13:05.11 | bin | you loaded totem via terminal ? |
| 13:05.19 | Dark_light | yep |
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| 13:05.34 | Dark_light | although to be fair it gives the same error with .srt subs but displays them fine |
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| 13:06.08 | idler420_ | hey |
| 13:06.12 | idler420_ | i have a question |
| 13:06.16 | idler420_ | whats the source |
| 13:06.21 | idler420_ | or sources |
| 13:06.23 | idler420_ | for sid |
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| 13:06.40 | Nik05 | idler420_ dont do that when you need to ask this |
| 13:06.56 | freax | I don't usually install X, its a vulnerability on servers and its a drain on resources |
| 13:07.13 | freax | at least thats what I was taught |
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| 13:07.40 | bin | freax: actually it's not necessary .. |
| 13:07.55 | seeker61 | tried doing an update apt-get update and it gave me a no pub key found error |
| 13:07.56 | bin | why would you need x on a server where everything uses cli anyways |
| 13:07.56 | freax | indeed |
| 13:08.15 | freax | incase the server is right next to you and you wanna have multiple cli's open I guess haha |
| 13:08.33 | freax | even then I'd just use my workstation and ssh into it |
| 13:08.44 | freax | saves on vga/dvi ports and additional keyboards |
| 13:08.45 | bin | exactly |
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| 13:09.06 | bin | and you can use terminator to split the terminal into inner terminals that way you could see all of them in one place |
| 13:09.28 | freax | pretty much |
| 13:09.34 | petn-randall | sssilver: It's a matter of opinion, but I never do. |
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| 13:10.03 | idler420_ | hey guys |
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| 13:11.15 | petn-randall | freax, bin, you can still run a X and access it remotely. Having X doesn't necessarily mean that you output it physically on the server. |
| 13:11.53 | bin | petn-randall: check freax answer.. |
| 13:12.25 | freax | true that |
| 13:12.31 | joj | idler420_: Pick from mine: https://github.com/2ion/X11-appconf/blob/master/apt/sources.list. Change for your preferred mirror. |
| 13:12.39 | freax | and you can run an x-server and serve it up to bootp clients |
| 13:12.48 | freax | give each client an individual x environment |
| 13:13.02 | freax | its pretty neat, i did it once back in 1998 on potato |
| 13:13.05 | petn-randall | ssh + X11 forwarding sucks like hell if the latency is higher than on a LAN. |
| 13:13.07 | freax | when I was 14 lol |
| 13:13.14 | sssilver | OK then looks like the majority of admins do not install GUI on their Linux servers. How come Debian preinstalls all the GUI goodness upon installation? |
| 13:13.51 | petn-randall | sssilver: It doesn't? |
| 13:13.54 | zykotick9 | sssilver: if you use netinst install, it doesn't. |
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| 13:14.26 | digdilem | i imagine the logic is that if you bothered to download all the gui in the full distro, you wanted it |
| 13:14.36 | digdilem | has only ever used netinst |
| 13:14.37 | bin | lol |
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| 13:16.47 | sssilver | I see |
| 13:16.52 | sssilver | thanks for the info |
| 13:16.57 | freax | no problems |
| 13:17.10 | sssilver | I'll just go ahead and uninstall the GUI goodness |
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| 13:17.56 | nyuszika7h | is there a proper way to uninstall the entire XFCE environment after installation in case I'd like to do so? |
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| 13:18.17 | sssilver | nyuszika7h: apt-get remove it, with a purge? |
| 13:18.32 | nyuszika7h | but which package? |
| 13:19.03 | nyuszika7h | can't I just use tasksel and untick graphical desktop? |
| 13:19.20 | nyuszika7h | I forgot to accept the EULA for the WLAN chip firmware on configuring in installing base system... now what? |
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| 13:20.31 | zykotick9 | nyuszika7h: don't use tasksel to remove things... |
| 13:20.55 | nyuszika7h | ah, good to know it's not recommended :P |
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| 13:24.39 | txomon | hi, how can I enable VPNs in gnome? Because network manager doesn't let me to do so |
| 13:25.27 | themill | txomon: have you installed the necessary packages? |
| 13:25.52 | Bert_2 | I'm currently on squeeze and trying to add IPv6 to my eth0 already running IPv4 for a long time, it seems to be assigned but I can't talk to anything in IPv6 out of the range I'm in. I think something's going wrong with route/gateway. More info: http://pastebin.com/Xm7zKLYe |
| 13:25.56 | sssilver | If I dpkg-reconfigure the console or the keyboard, is it possible to update my environment to adhere to the new configuration without having to reboot the machine? Thanks |
| 13:26.06 | digdilem | sssilver, the decision to keep or remove the gui is yours alone. don't do something just because everyone else is doing it, unless you want to :) |
| 13:26.21 | nyuszika7h | SERIOUSLY? the installer won't let me accept the EULA of the firmware package after accidentally denying it once |
| 13:26.30 | digdilem | but any gui uses resources that in a normal linux server role are probably best given to the os |
| 13:26.31 | txomon | I have installed now openvpn, but I had installed vpnc component |
| 13:26.37 | Dagger2 | Bert_2: your gateway is outside your network range |
| 13:26.38 | yeehi | I just started with Wheezy Gnome 64 bit. I have 2 problems: 1) I cannot get my vpn to run. I have installed network-manager-openvpn-gnome, imported a configuration file, but VPN connections is always "OFF". I can't switch it on. I have tried looking at the configuration for a vpn connection and switching it on there, but it doesn't solve it. What should I do? |
| 13:26.39 | nyuszika7h | do you REALLY want me to reboot after having installed the base system already, installer? ._. |
| 13:26.43 | themill | nyuszika7h: what eula for what firmware? |
| 13:26.50 | nyuszika7h | themill: the EULA for my WLAN chip firmware |
| 13:26.54 | themill | ... |
| 13:26.56 | Bert_2 | Dagger2: is that a problem? |
| 13:26.56 | nyuszika7h | non-free |
| 13:27.01 | sssilver | digdilem: good point :) the problem is I'm having to set up this server, but I'm a programmer -- not an admin. So I'm trying to understand the "best practices" |
| 13:27.08 | themill | nyuszika7h: please attempt to provide *some* details. |
| 13:27.18 | Dagger2 | Bert_2: the gateway is the machine you use to talk to machines that are outside your network range |
| 13:27.27 | Dagger2 | Bert_2: if the gateway itself is outside your network range... yeah, that's a problem |
| 13:27.44 | nyuszika7h | ipw2200-bs |
| 13:27.46 | nyuszika7h | s |
| 13:27.59 | Bert_2 | Dagger2: I know what the gateway is, I just don't fully grasp why it would be a problem , could you explain that? |
| 13:28.04 | digdilem | sssilver, fair enough. start with what you want to achieve, then what tools etc you need to achieve that. I do a lot of cgi/perl/php coding on linux servers, from my windows machine. The interface is just personal choice |
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| 13:28.26 | themill | nyuszika7h: there's no such package in debian |
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| 13:28.35 | seeker61 | when i install mono-complete all i get from it is mono documentation when i open it what am i missing in download i used apt-get mono-complete |
| 13:28.54 | nyuszika7h | themill: I said non-free |
| 13:29.00 | nyuszika7h | and who said that's the package name? how should I know what is it? |
| 13:29.03 | nyuszika7h | ipw2200-bss.fw |
| 13:29.13 | Dagger2 | Bert_2: the gateway has to be inside your network range, because the gateway is how you talk to machines that are outside your network range |
| 13:29.26 | themill | nyuszika7h: you're the one asking for help... you need to provide us with the first clue what you are talking about in order to get that help |
| 13:29.28 | Dark_light | The same subtitles files work ok in xbmc |
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| 13:29.38 | nyuszika7h | themill: you do not understand one thing |
| 13:29.44 | themill | correct |
| 13:29.44 | nyuszika7h | themill: how the hell should I know the package name from the installer when I don't even have access to dpkg? |
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| 13:30.04 | nyuszika7h | if you cannot help me, then stop annoying me with questions which obviously can't be answered. |
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| 13:30.16 | loaden | hello, does anyone use mldonkey? It's crash many times when shutdown my laptop. then my laptop will never shutdown. any comments? |
| 13:31.02 | Bert_2 | Dagger2: well I just talked to the operator of the host (I'm on a VM) and he has another VM running on 2a01:4f8:161:6062::3 with that gateway, he claims, is that possible? :S |
| 13:31.18 | vinvin | hi, I'm using a custom kernel in debian 6 and I'd like to upgrade to 7. I don't find any info about a minimum kernel version to have in debian 7 as there was in the 6, are there some particular requirements? |
| 13:31.37 | mumpitze1 | vinvin: afaik the squeeze kernel still works |
| 13:31.39 | loaden | If killed the mlnet before shutdown, then every thing works fine. It seems is a bug? |
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| 13:31.45 | themill | nyuszika7h: now that I know what package you're talking about, I can try to help you. Is that permitted? |
| 13:31.59 | vinvin | thanks mumpitze1 |
| 13:32.07 | mumpitze1 | loaden: then write a script which kills mldonkey on shutdown. |
| 13:32.23 | Dagger2 | Bert_2: you can force the matter with a specific route (ip route add 2a01:4f8:161:6060::1/128 dev eth0), but honestly, the setup is broken and should be fixed |
| 13:32.51 | Dagger2 | Bert_2: or the other possibility, he's lying to you when he says the network is /64 |
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| 13:33.26 | mumpitze1 | nullby7e: go to another console, reinstall the firmware package. accept the aula there if it's displayed |
| 13:33.35 | mumpitze1 | nyuszika7h: ^^ |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | themill: EULA in the installer? |
| 13:34.09 | nyuszika7h | yes, EULA in installer, for non-free firmware |
| 13:34.19 | loaden | mumpitze1: there exist a script located in ` /etc/rc0.d/K01mldonkey-server`, but seems does not work. |
| 13:34.20 | abrotman | i didn't ask you |
| 13:34.24 | themill | abrotman: there's a preinst in the firmware-ipw2x00 package, yes |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | neat, though i don't recall having the EULA when installed after the fact? |
| 13:34.53 | themill | (once I was finally able to find out which package to look in...) |
| 13:35.00 | loaden | mumpitze1: I don't know how to make it works. |
| 13:35.05 | abrotman | oh well, not a big deal |
| 13:35.19 | mumpitze1 | loaden: rc6.d too maybe? |
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| 13:35.47 | jordilopezamat | hi guys, have some mess with my users accounts in my (for personal use) system, i need some help... thanks beforehand from BsAs !) |
| 13:36.00 | nyuszika7h | thanks, themill and mumpitze1, but I already got annoyed at how the installer is not capable of a providing a freaking back button when no further changes have been made yet, and rebooted... |
| 13:36.04 | mumpitze1 | loaden: or maybe write your own. a simple "killall mlnet" ? |
| 13:36.32 | nyuszika7h | there is a back button when it loads it on the CD, but not when installing... makes sense... |
| 13:36.44 | loaden | mumpitze1: there exist ` /etc/rc0.d/K01mldonkey-server` too. why? |
| 13:37.05 | Bert_2 | Dagger2: and then he forwards me a message he forgot about from the ISP noting the change of gateway to fe80::1, now it works, sorry I wasted your time |
| 13:37.20 | loaden | mumpitze1: I thought it should kill all mlnet by Debian self. So I don't want to write a script by myself. |
| 13:38.14 | loaden | mumpitze1: It's a bug? or just not work for me? |
| 13:38.18 | jordilopezamat | scenario : i have to system accounts ( 1.- root and 2.-jordi ) , and diferent issues (related to the main issue which i have not yet discovered ! ) and question pop-up! |
| 13:39.27 | jordilopezamat | 1st question: when typing 'nautilus' from root account terminal window, error message says : 'No protocol specified |
| 13:39.27 | jordilopezamat | Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display: ' |
| 13:39.49 | abrotman | are you logged into X as root? |
| 13:39.52 | jordilopezamat | Why ? What is this debian rookie missing here ? :-)) |
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| 13:40.20 | jordilopezamat | sorry ... abrotman, are you asking me ? |
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| 13:41.21 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: yes |
| 13:41.37 | jordilopezamat | Thanks for your support, ... abrotman, how can i now wether i'm logged into X as root or not ? |
| 13:41.44 | jordilopezamat | :-D |
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| 13:43.16 | abrotman | it would be the user you logged in as |
| 13:44.00 | zykotick9 | jordilopezamat: while it's a bad idea, if you _really_ need nautilus as root, use "gksu nautilus" or "gksudo nautilus" |
| 13:45.01 | jordilopezamat | i logged in with 'jordi' user... |
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| 13:45.22 | jordilopezamat | ? |
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| 13:46.11 | Dark_light | How can I remove totem without remoiving all of gnome? |
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| 13:46.35 | abrotman | !tell Dark_light about unmarkauto |
| 13:46.36 | bin | apt-get remove totem probably .. o.O? |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: yes, so see what zykotick9 told you |
| 13:46.47 | Dark_light | yeah but then it says it wants to remove gnome* too |
| 13:46.49 | abrotman | bin: not even close |
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| 13:47.06 | zykotick9 | Dark_light: honestly, totem is weak, i'd suggest another media player. but don't try removing it (is my suggestion). |
| 13:47.19 | bin | !tell bin about unmarkauto |
| 13:47.25 | jordilopezamat | uops i missed it! let's rewind ... thanks abrotman (and zyotick9) |
| 13:47.31 | freax | ##hardware suggested: |
| 13:47.32 | freax | [23:45] <specing> freax: PC engines Alix; Soekris SBCs |
| 13:47.32 | freax | [23:45] <specing> freax: Anything with AMD Geode inside |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | !tell bin about selftell |
| 13:47.38 | freax | woops wrong channel |
| 13:47.46 | bin | hahaha ;D |
| 13:47.49 | Dark_light | zykotick9: the other problem is I would not remove it but for some reason I can't set vlc as the default player in gnome |
| 13:47.52 | Dark_light | or better |
| 13:47.55 | Dark_light | I can but it doesn't work |
| 13:48.01 | Dark_light | totem always gets the precendece |
| 13:48.09 | jordilopezamat | meantime... if ti helps, in the escenario, let's add the fact that if run nautilus from Gnome desktop icon... |
| 13:48.24 | basic6 | I can't install chromium-browser on a Debian Wheezy, it says (unmet dependencies) depends chrome <= 10 but is not installable |
| 13:48.42 | bin | abrotman: good point ;) |
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| 13:49.20 | themill | basic6: please pastebin the entire output |
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| 13:49.29 | drhouse123 | it is strange http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ whe here only three iso images? |
| 13:49.51 | themill | drhouse123: have you read that cd faq yet? |
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| 13:50.02 | jordilopezamat | i cannot perform any delete or move actions on any files regardeless their permissions, nor root/system owned files, nor 'jordi' regular user created (in the past) files ! :-/ |
| 13:50.04 | txomon | when debian tells me missing firmware for a usb wifi card, how do I know which is the firmware I need? because sometimes update-initramfs tells me which file I need and I can search it on apt-file... |
| 13:50.16 | zykotick9 | basic6: chromium-browser is a dummy package, try chromium |
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| 13:50.41 | drhouse123 | themill: not yet |
| 13:50.41 | Dark_light | zykotick9: any idea why? |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | zykotick9: that won't solve it |
| 13:51.13 | zykotick9 | Dark_light: sorry no, i just switched back to using gnome3 the other day... i'm a noob in that regard. |
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| 13:51.45 | abrotman | Dark_light: it has to be registered as an app IIRC .. you can likely do it with gconf |
| 13:52.04 | jordilopezamat | zyotick9 abrotman, gksudoing nautilus says "No protocol specified |
| 13:52.04 | jordilopezamat | (gksu:19729): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 " .-/ |
| 13:52.11 | jordilopezamat | :-/ |
| 13:52.27 | bin | abrotman: even with unmarkauto the totem player is still there |
| 13:52.34 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: stop trying to run it as root |
| 13:52.35 | zykotick9 | jordilopezamat: are you in xorg, or linux-terminal (all black screen) when you try and run this? |
| 13:52.37 | jordilopezamat | what did i broke in my system? |
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| 13:53.06 | OpenTokix | jordilopezamat: looks like you are trying to start a gui-progam from a root shell? |
| 13:53.25 | themill | bin: it's not totem that needs the unmarkauto treatment, it's the rest of the dependencies of the gnome metapackage |
| 13:53.36 | bin | ahaa |
| 13:53.46 | basic6 | themill: This is what happens when I try to install chromium-browser: http://paste.debian.net/4980 |
| 13:53.46 | Dark_light | abrotman: it seems to be registered as an app I mean it shows up and I can choose it as the default player |
| 13:53.51 | idler420_ | grub or lilo |
| 13:53.52 | jordilopezamat | abrotman, please give me alternative ways of then... zykotick9 , i'm running linux-terminal |
| 13:53.56 | Dark_light | it just won't do anything afterwards |
| 13:54.12 | bin | themill: but still |
| 13:54.14 | jordilopezamat | ¿? |
| 13:54.17 | Nirvash | I'm having a hard time modifying sudoers properly with Debian 7. I see that it is now ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL, if I have three commands that I want user to be able to execute, but only those three commands, would "user ALL=com1,com2,com3" work? |
| 13:54.21 | zykotick9 | jordilopezamat: try from inside xorg, with the gksu/gksudo method |
| 13:54.24 | bin | it says that it will remvoe the following packages ... |
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| 13:54.34 | basic6 | zykotick9: This is what happens when i try to install chromium (without -browser) http://paste.debian.net/4981 |
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| 13:54.51 | themill | basic6: chromium isn't available for kfreebsd. (You probably should tell people you're running that arch btw) |
| 13:55.08 | themill | ,archs chromium |
| 13:55.09 | judd | Package chromium in wheezy: amd64 (26.0.1410.43-1), i386 (26.0.1410.43-1) |
| 13:55.10 | zykotick9 | basic6: kfreebsd ehh. good luck. |
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| 13:55.39 | basic6 | themill: oh I thought there's no difference between the userland applications (only different kernel) |
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| 13:56.14 | themill | basic6: there are lots of differences and lots of packages don't compile for it. As you can see from judd's output, chromium doesn't even compile for powerpc, arm etc |
| 13:56.23 | jordilopezamat | zykotick9 i tried to launch 'gksudo nautilus' form xorg , |
| 13:56.39 | jordilopezamat | ... no success :-/ |
| 13:56.59 | zykotick9 | jordilopezamat: it's a bad idea anyways... i gotta run. good luck. |
| 13:57.36 | bin | themill: i still dont get it |
| 13:57.51 | jordilopezamat | thanks anyway zykotick9 , i'm afraid i broke something while messing around with sudoers file... |
| 13:58.11 | jordilopezamat | that was the real bad idea ! |
| 13:58.14 | basic6 | So chromium probably uses linux specifiic libraries that arent available on FreeBSD... |
| 13:58.37 | basic6 | i'll keep using the linux version of debian |
| 13:59.13 | idler420_ | what the fuck |
| 13:59.17 | idler420_ | why did debian install a DE |
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| 13:59.34 | themill | idler420_: because you asked it to? |
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| 13:59.43 | jordilopezamat | Nirvash: you said " I'm having a hard time modifying sudoers properly with Debian 7." ? i thing the problems we are facing are related... |
| 13:59.52 | idler420_ | damn |
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| 14:00.14 | idler420_ | how do i uninstall it |
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| 14:00.39 | Nirvash | jordilopezamat: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:01.29 | nyuszika7h | I have an extended partition on sda2, and logical /boot, /, swap and /home. should I set the bootable flag on any partition or will the installer/bootloader do it for me? |
| 14:01.44 | jordilopezamat | Nirvash , i'm trying to perform some admin tasks in my own system ! Ja,JA! |
| 14:02.36 | Nirvash | jordilopezamat: If you tell me what you're trying to do I can probably help you |
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| 14:02.47 | abrotman | idler420_: how do you uninstall any other package ? |
| 14:03.10 | jordilopezamat | sorry about that... given my current (misconfigured) users/permissionsit's fustrating not being allowed to perform almost any standard operation in my system. |
| 14:03.21 | jordilopezamat | Let me explain myself... |
| 14:03.50 | Nirvash | idler420_: You gould do apt-get purge package* |
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| 14:04.25 | jordilopezamat | I have to accounts ( root and jordi ) if i launch nautilus from Xorg... i cannot perform delete nor move operations on (any) files ¿? |
| 14:04.51 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: you do realize that zykotick9 gave you the answer like 30 minutes ago, right ? |
| 14:05.20 | themill | jordilopezamat: your user should not be able to delete or move system files. I'd suggest that you don't try running nautilus as root in any case. |
| 14:05.36 | Nirvash | ^ |
| 14:06.24 | jordilopezamat | Mmmh...hey guys,stop blaming my intentions. Please start offering alternatives.. |
| 14:06.40 | Nirvash | You don't ever use nautilus as root. |
| 14:06.41 | themill | jordilopezamat: what are you actually trying to accomplish here? |
| 14:06.49 | jordilopezamat | Ok, jordi... don't get nervous. Let's try to reformulate the question... |
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| 14:07.09 | Nirvash | Ever. You don't want to destroy things easily, so you don't use root. Same reason you don't use root for daily activities. |
| 14:07.34 | Nirvash | If you need to move certain files, just go into terminal, log in as root, and do what you want with the files, then return to your normal user |
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| 14:07.36 | jordilopezamat | ¿why debian is not allowing me to open a file with gedit from root session in a terminal ? |
| 14:08.03 | Nirvash | Why don't you try using nano or vim to see the file? |
| 14:08.05 | jordilopezamat | Point taken Nirvash. |
| 14:08.20 | themill | jordilopezamat: different users aren't allowed to open windows on each other's desktops. That would allow you to capture keystrokes and passwords of other users. |
| 14:08.33 | idler420_ | thank you based apt-get autoremove |
| 14:08.36 | OpenTokix | jordilopezamat: you have ro run gedit with sudo, - since if you sudo in to a root shell, you will not have x enviroment there. - Either you do xforwarding with ssh to localhost ( ssh -X root@::1 ) or you do: sudo gedit |
| 14:08.38 | bin | come on guys curiousity is killing me . |
| 14:08.40 | idler420_ | removed all of the stock debian bullshit |
| 14:08.46 | bin | i tried to unmarkauto gnome |
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| 14:09.06 | abrotman | bin: you didn't read what themill said ... |
| 14:09.06 | jordilopezamat | trying yours OpenTokix ... |
| 14:09.15 | themill | idler420_: nothing got installed that you did not ask for... |
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| 14:09.27 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: what file are you trying to edit? |
| 14:09.35 | bin | abrotman: yes |
| 14:09.46 | bin | i read , i mark gnome and remove totem |
| 14:09.51 | abrotman | .... |
| 14:09.53 | themill | bin: no |
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| 14:10.04 | abrotman | bin: you didn't read what themill said ... |
| 14:10.38 | OpenTokix | jordilopezamat: the ssh one, need you to allow ssh as root ofc. |
| 14:10.43 | bin | other dependencies |
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| 14:11.49 | themill | jordilopezamat, OpenTokix: gksu/gksudo are an easier way of changing the user to root and running X programs |
| 14:12.03 | jordilopezamat | abrotman i like nano for editing, but sometimes... i'm visually lazy and i use gedit. OpenTokix ... when 'sudo gedit file ", i'm told " No protocol specified |
| 14:12.04 | jordilopezamat | Cannot open display: " |
| 14:12.53 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: i asked which file .. |
| 14:12.54 | themill | jordilopezamat: you need to be running this as your user, not as root. |
| 14:13.26 | jordilopezamat | Tried that one themill ...thanks |
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| 14:13.44 | txomon | so no idea when firmware is missing? |
| 14:13.48 | OpenTokix | jordilopezamat: you can just start gedit with sudo and then browse for your file - i personally dont use gedit, so I am not sure about the error |
| 14:14.07 | themill | OpenTokix: you can't just do "sudo gedit". |
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| 14:14.10 | OpenTokix | themill: I almost never use sudo, I login with root directly |
| 14:14.17 | OpenTokix | themill: oh, ok |
| 14:14.42 | OpenTokix | And I also use a terminal based editor ;) |
| 14:14.43 | jordilopezamat | my problem in this case is that i'm brand new to Gnome3 (dist-upgrade yesterday !) , and i cannot figure out how to launch terminal as normal (jordi , not roor) user :-D |
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| 14:14.49 | Nirvash | So much bad practice ;__; |
| 14:15.15 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: just run the terminal and use su/sudo |
| 14:15.20 | OpenTokix | jordilopezamat: I switched to xfce from gnome3 - gnome3 is a pile of crud - imho |
| 14:15.23 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: which file are you trying to edit? |
| 14:15.26 | jordilopezamat | Guys, i share OpenTokix approach... |
| 14:15.27 | abrotman | OpenTokix: not constructive |
| 14:16.03 | txomon | jordilopezamat: I did go to sys conf -> Keyboard -> shortcuts |
| 14:16.22 | txomon | and configured gnome-terminal for ctrl+alt+t |
| 14:16.29 | jordilopezamat | right abrotman. Let's be constructive... last thing i wanna do is enter a desktop battle in the room at this point ! |
| 14:16.37 | txomon | and that is how I launch terminals |
| 14:16.42 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I just said my opinion, there is no law you have to run gnome3 and there is alternatives. - Right? |
| 14:17.12 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I also shared his confusion in gnome3, - I recognized it |
| 14:17.25 | jordilopezamat | i take note, txomon . Thanks |
| 14:17.55 | themill | jordilopezamat: please step back and start again. Please stick full commands and full output in pastebins. I don't think anyone has any idea what you are doing as what users and what is or isn't working at this stage |
| 14:18.36 | jordilopezamat | Thanks for the empathy shown OpenTokix ... themill , resetting , i'll try right now. |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | OpenTokix: i meant the "crud" comment |
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| 14:19.10 | OpenTokix | abrotman: It is an opinion - I am allowed to have one |
| 14:19.11 | jordilopezamat | Let me rephrase the problem |
| 14:19.26 | jdoles | jordilopezamat, have you read the Gnome3 manual? |
| 14:19.45 | jdoles | jordilopezamat, if you didn't, why does it surprise you that you cannot do basic tasks? |
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| 14:20.16 | jdoles | I didn't need to read the manual to use Gnome3 and I expect many others also don't. |
| 14:20.23 | jordilopezamat | (no jdoles, thanks... ) or my objective... : i would like to come back to the default system users/permissions and then go my own. |
| 14:20.57 | jdoles | jordilopezamat, then rephrase the problem such that someone can understand what you are talking about. |
| 14:20.58 | jordilopezamat | I mean two users , a) root user b) jordi (regular) user |
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| 14:21.31 | jordilopezamat | jdoles ... this is what i was trying to do before you suggested me to read Gnome manual... |
| 14:21.58 | abrotman | OpenTokix: i have opinions about you, should i share them? |
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| 14:22.12 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: what file are you trying to edit? |
| 14:22.23 | Rodrigo | Could somebody help me? |
| 14:22.28 | OpenTokix | abrotman: haha |
| 14:22.35 | txomon | will be ready for calling ambulance |
| 14:22.42 | jordilopezamat | abrotman, i think the file is not relevant here ... |
| 14:22.44 | OpenTokix | abrotman: Is gnome3 your love child or something? |
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| 14:24.03 | Rodrigo | I can only boot in recovery mode. Is there a way to install updates in recovery mode? |
| 14:24.24 | abrotman | OpenTokix: i'm just saying that it doesn't help him to call his DE crud .. maybe try to actually help him instead? |
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| 14:24.39 | abrotman | Rodrigo: you can bring up the network, etc .. then yes, it should work |
| 14:24.51 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: it may be ... |
| 14:25.00 | jordilopezamat | Thanks for being constructive guys. |
| 14:25.31 | jordilopezamat | abrotman ? |
| 14:25.32 | jdoles | jordilopezamat, you haven't said anything, only that you want to open a terminal. |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: if the file is a simple file, use su/sudo and nano/vi/emacs .. invovling a GUI editor complicates things |
| 14:25.47 | Rodrigo | abrotman: I am in recovery mode right now, but when I try to use the software update program it says that there is no connection. |
| 14:25.56 | jdoles | jordilopezamat, opening a terminal involves moving your mouse to the top left corner and going to application, and then typing terminal. |
| 14:26.06 | jdoles | jordilopezamat, there are more easy ways, I am sure. |
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| 14:26.24 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I am trying to help me - and I also injected an opinion about what my feelings for the gnome3 that is default in wheezy. - As he voiced was one of the concerns of his upgrade. |
| 14:26.25 | abrotman | Rodrigo: so fix that first .. why are you in recovery mode? |
| 14:26.35 | OpenTokix | s/help me/help him/ |
| 14:26.37 | abrotman | OpenTokix: still not being helpful .. not surprised though |
| 14:26.53 | Rodrigo | abrotman: When I boot regularly a black screen shows up and nothing happens. |
| 14:27.19 | jordilopezamat | Guys, let my rephrase the isse i'm having... Any constructive comment is welcomed |
| 14:27.21 | abrotman | Rodrigo: nvidia card? |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: i've tried. you keep ignoring |
| 14:27.51 | themill | jordilopezamat: (commands, output → paste.debian.net) |
| 14:27.55 | abrotman | Rodrigo: do you normally manage your network with network-manager, or have you configured your interfaces file ? |
| 14:27.59 | Rodrigo | abrotman: Intel® Ivybridge Mobile, I do have a nvidia card too. |
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| 14:29.01 | jordilopezamat | themill i know pastebin for time ago ... abrotman , let's put it the other way around. Let's quit the privileged root role, and come back to regular user sytem account... |
| 14:29.05 | abrotman | wonders which video card is winning ... |
| 14:29.17 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:29.58 | jordilopezamat | when launching nautilus , ¿why i'm not able to move nor to delete regular files ? |
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| 14:30.37 | jordilopezamat | abrotman, i can copy them ... but i cannot move them to trash, i've i would like to... ¿? |
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| 14:30.52 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: which files? who owns them? |
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| 14:31.34 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. Since yesterday's updates with testing (jessie), i have issue with audacious, an old bug #660520 reappeared. |
| 14:31.38 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 14:32.11 | jordilopezamat | e.g. a simple mp3 file, (at least in the past...)owned by the same regular user that now is trying to move or delete it ! :-D |
| 14:32.29 | johnfg | Is there anyway to have a right-click with the mouse open up a terminal with wheezy/gnome? nautilus-open-terminal only works from another terminal; not the desktop. |
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| 14:33.02 | jordilopezamat | It looks like, as a regular user system account, my rigths are being restricted.. or something |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: and if you use a terminal and 'rm', what's the error? |
| 14:33.31 | jordilopezamat | mmh... let's try |
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| 14:34.43 | jordilopezamat | sorry abrotman, ¿should i try from root terminal or from regular user (jordi) account terminal ? thanks |
| 14:35.15 | themill | regular user |
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| 14:36.39 | jordilopezamat | ok... thanks themill. Then, here it comes my second problem... how to do it ? |
| 14:36.53 | chiel | does a debian netinstall give an option to format the harddrive? going to attempt to reinstall my htpc |
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| 14:37.47 | jordilopezamat | i know it sounds like a stupid thing from my side... but as i said, i haven't benn able to launch regular user termnial from Gnome3 ! :-P |
| 14:37.52 | jordilopezamat | :-/ |
| 14:38.04 | jordilopezamat | am i so stupid ? |
| 14:38.18 | txomon | jordilopezamat: press alt+f2 and type gnome-terminal |
| 14:38.21 | jordilopezamat | Thanks for your patient guys... |
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| 14:38.43 | Rodrigo | abrotman: The computer froze, I think I will try a different distro, Thanks for your help. |
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| 14:40.01 | abrotman | Rodrigo: okay? |
| 14:40.29 | Rodrigo | abrotman: ? |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | Rodrigo: good luck |
| 14:41.08 | Rodrigo | abrotman: Thanks, bye |
| 14:41.08 | russ_ | When checking to see if redis was listening to port 6379 on my machine I tried `lsof -i:6379`, and it did not show up. It was running so I wondered what port it was listening on so I ran `netstat -lpn | grep redis`... and it was listening on 6379. Any ideas why lsof did not work? |
| 14:41.30 | Giuaigx | hello, what does it mean Gnome Classic doesn't start? I have 3d acceleration and an old ATI card |
| 14:41.48 | abrotman | how old? |
| 14:42.17 | Giuaigx | like no more supported from 8.28.8 fglrx driver |
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| 14:42.36 | Giuaigx | as said here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware |
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| 14:43.03 | jordilopezamat | (Sorry guys... ! My IRC server closed my connection... Who is trying to fool me ! :-/ Just kidding, haha ! ) |
| 14:43.08 | Giuaigx | glxgears run about at 60fps, could it be that? |
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| 14:43.16 | jordilopezamat | :-D |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | Giuaigx: that doesn't tell me which card you have .. |
| 14:43.46 | Giuaigx | abrotman, sorry: ATI RS200 [Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M] |
| 14:44.03 | jordilopezamat | ok abrotman, FYI , if (as per your suggestion) perform 'rm file' form regular user account terminal... |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | Giuaigx: so you're using the radeon driver? |
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| 14:44.12 | Giuaigx | actually yes |
| 14:44.33 | jordilopezamat | operation is succesful ! |
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| 14:45.46 | jordilopezamat | when acting as regular user ¿why can i 'rm' non root files from the terminal but not from nautilus ? |
| 14:45.47 | Giuaigx | isn't Classic supposed to work in case 3d accel doesn't work? |
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| 14:46.53 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: you'd have to tell us the error it gives you |
| 14:46.54 | jordilopezamat | i'm so puzzled whith this situation... thanks again for your help ! |
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| 14:48.20 | Giuaigx | jordilopezamat, supposed you have right permissions you should be able with both terminal and nautilus |
| 14:49.45 | jordilopezamat | abrotman I cannot provide any error message, as there is none.. how could i retrieve it ? how to ? |
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| 14:49.58 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: so hwo do you know it's not working? |
| 14:50.14 | cmder | Hi. I want to install wheezy from a already running squeeze system with debootstap. Which version of debootstrap should I get? From squeeze repository (aptitude install debootstrap) or from wheezy repository (download and manual install)? |
| 14:50.24 | jordilopezamat | Giuaigx ... I completely i agree with you... this was my expectation too. |
| 14:51.12 | jordilopezamat | abrotman, let my explain myself again ... |
| 14:51.21 | abrotman | waits |
| 14:51.57 | txomon | I will try to help you too |
| 14:52.30 | jordilopezamat | when on nautilus, launched from Xorg : simply i'm not shown the given menu options which should be allowing me to move/delete (regular user) files |
| 14:52.56 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: tried to right click on the file ? |
| 14:52.59 | jordilopezamat | ... Simply, i'm not allowed to :-( |
| 14:53.24 | jordilopezamat | are you kidding ! :-D |
| 14:53.30 | jordilopezamat | Haha... |
| 14:53.42 | htor | jordilopezamat: jordilopezamat the options are "greyed out"? |
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| 14:54.03 | jordilopezamat | this is exactly what i'm trying to do from time ago abrotman ! Thanks again |
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| 14:54.31 | htor | jordilopezamat: what just happened |
| 14:54.39 | Giuaigx | jordilopezamat, sometime when i right click the item isn't highlighted but it works anyway |
| 14:54.45 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: so you're all good ? |
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| 14:55.03 | jordilopezamat | right htor, i was going to say so ... abrotman : i'm just shown move/delete options greyed wen right clikcing the file ! |
| 14:55.35 | oo_miguel | Now I first log in and then run startx which starts my window manager etc.. How can I configure X to start before login and present me with the login screen? |
| 14:55.47 | jordilopezamat | HaHa! are you kidding me again abrotman ?:-D |
| 14:56.06 | jdoles | [Xrandr question]How can I query whether a given screen is right-of a different screen? |
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| 14:56.52 | jordilopezamat | GOT IT ! |
| 14:57.40 | jordilopezamat | thanks to Giuaigx . abrotman , FYI he is right... |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: i'm not sure what's going on .. |
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| 14:58.02 | jordilopezamat | right click file menu options which should be allowing me to move/delete (regular user) files ... are greyed |
| 14:58.02 | abrotman | oo_miguel: install gdm3 or something like that |
| 14:58.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell oo_miguel about dm |
| 14:58.16 | Giuaigx | oo_miguel, installing gdm |
| 14:58.33 | oo_miguel | i use xmonad as window manager and want some light login gui |
| 14:58.34 | jordilopezamat | but as Giuaigx points, they are still working :-$ |
| 14:58.47 | oo_miguel | is gdm not the complete gnome desktop manager? |
| 14:58.53 | jordilopezamat | What a joke ! HaHa... |
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| 14:59.32 | Giuaigx | jordilopezamat, i had that problem some times ago too...now with sid all gone |
| 14:59.32 | txomon | is leaving now... |
| 14:59.39 | jordilopezamat | ¿am i facing a Gnome bug ? |
| 14:59.59 | oo_miguel | will have a look at the differend display managers, thx abrotman and Giuaigx |
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| 15:00.16 | Giuaigx | oo_miguel, isn't the complete graphical session, is only the screen where you choose user and put in the password |
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| 15:00.26 | oo_miguel | allright |
| 15:00.38 | oo_miguel | sounds its exactly what I want |
| 15:00.43 | jordilopezamat | Giuaigx ... thanks for sharing your experience... |
| 15:00.45 | oo_miguel | thought display manger = window manager |
| 15:00.55 | abrotman | oo_miguel: see what the bot told you .. |
| 15:01.05 | Giuaigx | jordilopezamat, no problem |
| 15:01.07 | jordilopezamat | ¿do you know if there is other workaround to ? |
| 15:01.11 | abrotman | oo_miguel: but if you use something like gnome or kde, they have gdm3/kdm respectively |
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| 15:01.47 | Giuaigx | jordilopezamat, no, i'm not aware of any workaround |
| 15:01.48 | oo_miguel | abrotman: I just use xmonad and it doesn't have something like this as far as I know, I will have a little conversation with the bot now, about the different display managers ;) thx a lot |
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| 15:02.21 | jordilopezamat | I've just moved from squeeze to wheezy, and still trying to recover some system stability... to I would prefer not to face another upgrade right now... :-/ |
| 15:02.28 | abrotman | oo_miguel: enjoy |
| 15:02.44 | abrotman | jordilopezamat: what problem are you having now ? |
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| 15:04.28 | jordilopezamat | hi abrotman, one of my problems now is that nautilus is confusing me greying actions that in fact are not restricted but operational ... it's a little bit annoying... |
| 15:04.48 | jordilopezamat | ok, but i can live with it... |
| 15:05.11 | amesha | what is the name of the package that suggests packages to you when you type a command that isn't found? |
| 15:05.15 | jordilopezamat | for now. |
| 15:05.29 | jordilopezamat | Thanks. |
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| 15:06.19 | abrotman | amesha: command-not-found or something like that |
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| 15:08.37 | Giuaigx | jordilopezamat, look at this, it seems a CSS problem, but i haven't read all trough: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/973491 |
| 15:08.53 | amesha | abrotman, perfect, thanks |
| 15:09.26 | jordilopezamat | thanks Giuaigx, i'll give it a look... |
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| 15:11.06 | Giuaigx | abrotman, do you have some suggestions about my video card and Classic don't starting? |
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| 15:11.53 | abrotman | Giuaigx: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for starters |
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| 15:18.55 | juank4 | Hi I have a problem with my openldap I get this error when wanting to add a user |
| 15:19.05 | juank4 | ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 15:19.33 | abrotman | so your username/password that you're using to bind are incorrect |
| 15:20.17 | juank4 | are correct, I've tried it in plaintext and SHA |
| 15:20.34 | juank4 | ldapadd -W -D 'cn=Administrador, dc=dominio, dc=tld' -h 127.0.0.1 -f base.ldif |
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| 15:22.02 | Giuaigx | abrotman, i can't see any error in Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:30.01 | g0to | hello |
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| 15:31.02 | g0to | I'm a little bit lost about the use of PCM in ALSA |
| 15:31.36 | g0to | what is it and why my master volume depends on it? |
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| 15:33.38 | dvs | PCM is basically playback of sampled sound. |
| 15:34.39 | g0to | dvs, I don't understand why I need a volume level for it and a separate one for the master volume |
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| 15:37.23 | smithi | Hello everyone. I try to install openshot, but i get a error messege (translate in english): "depends on libartsc0 (>= 1.5.9) which is a virtual Packet". In the Virtualbox i have the same System installed and openshot install correctly. I believe it is a apt problem (maybe the packetcache), but a aptitude clean && aptitude update i have already run? Any Ideas? |
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| 15:38.46 | dvs | g0to: meh, I just set the master volume to the maximum and use the PCM volume |
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| 15:41.53 | Giuaigx | abrotman, solved myself, it was a stupid option checked at first installation, "disable trackpad when using keyboard", removed it and now i can use Gnome Classic |
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| 15:43.12 | Giuaigx | needed to grep all /log dir for an error string and to rename libmouse.so for it to start again |
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| 15:43.46 | asarch | Do you know any program ala OpenKiosk (https://www.mozdevgroup.com/products/openkioskdistro.html) but with the GTK+ API? |
| 15:43.47 | dashs | looking to access my ceapie lg revere 2 cellphone via USB mass storage driver. phone is recognized but udev does not create a device. |
| 15:44.07 | g0to | dvs, doing that shows a buggy behavior. Master control jumps from 0 to 18 level. Then it raises normally, 1 by 1 |
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| 15:44.33 | johnfg | anyone know how to get any menu to show up when I right-click on the gnome-classic desktop in wheezy? |
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| 15:47.41 | Giuaigx | smithi, already tried with an "apt-get -f install" ? |
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| 15:48.27 | Dark_light | Apparently it's impossible to change the default video player under gnome in wheezy |
| 15:48.38 | Dark_light | or better it can be changed but has no effect what so ever |
| 15:49.06 | Dark_light | can anyone confirm that? |
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| 15:50.34 | smithi | Giuaigx: Yes, but just a "aptitude -f install" without a packet name. |
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| 15:51.17 | russ_ | when looking for a newer version of a package, how can you tell if one is available in backports? |
| 15:51.18 | smithi | Giuaigx: nothing happened |
| 15:51.28 | RodolfoRG | Gnome3/Empathy doesn't show incoming msgs on message tray :/ |
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| 15:52.58 | russ_ | I've got the backports in /etc/apt/my sources.lilst and have updated, but `apt-cache policy foo` doesn't ever seem to be showing anything from backports... would it show there? |
| 15:53.12 | Dark_light | RodolfoRG: it works here |
| 15:53.32 | russ_ | whoah... that obviously should have been /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:54.16 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: :/ Oh... So it should be some user/local file configuration error :/ |
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| 15:55.21 | elves_ | hellow |
| 15:55.35 | dvs | herrow |
| 15:55.48 | Dark_light | RodolfoRG: it could be |
| 15:56.27 | Dark_light | here I can see the avatar of the contact and then there's a blue circle with the number of unread messages in it |
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| 15:58.05 | elves_ | hello, I'm starting in the world of linux |
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| 15:59.11 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: gnome 3.4? |
| 15:59.16 | Dark_light | yes |
| 15:59.17 | RodolfoRG | debian wheezy here |
| 15:59.25 | RodolfoRG | (actually, debian testing) |
| 15:59.32 | Dark_light | wheezy here |
| 15:59.51 | Giuaigx | smithi, from what i can see here (http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libartsc0&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all) you are on old stable Squeeze |
| 15:59.53 | RodolfoRG | but it was broken even before testing become wheezy |
| 16:00.00 | dashs | looking to access my ceapie lg revere 2 cellphone via USB mass storage driver. phone is recognized but udev does modeswitch attempt |
| 16:00.14 | Dark_light | RodolfoRG: maybe it's config file that has been updated or something then |
| 16:00.17 | Giuaigx | if you type "apt-cache search libart" what you get? |
| 16:00.21 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: thank you. I'll create a test user to check if it works there |
| 16:00.34 | Dark_light | RodolfoRG: could you test one thing for me? |
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| 16:01.00 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: i can try |
| 16:01.29 | Dark_light | just install a video player of your choice that is not totem and set it as the default application for videos |
| 16:01.50 | Dark_light | then open a video file and see if it actually gets opened by that application or by totem |
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| 16:03.10 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: to do that, you want me to use : system settings > details > ? |
| 16:03.15 | Dark_light | yest |
| 16:03.20 | Dark_light | *yes please |
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| 16:09.07 | JohnDoh | since i updated to wheezy net rpc shutdown commands are failing with Connection failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER does any one have any suggestions how i can fix it? |
| 16:09.08 | smithi | Giuaigx: I install wheezy 64bit + multilib, but youre right, my sources.list has a wrong deb-multimedia file. Thanks and sorry for this unnecessary post. Next time im watching better, Promised. |
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| 16:10.30 | Giuaigx | smithi, no problem, happy you solved |
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| 16:11.47 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: oh... it works with another user... How can I figure out how to fix it? oh man |
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| 16:12.06 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: and no, it doesn't work |
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| 16:12.49 | MrPopinjay | Hello all! If I've tunnelled into a machine using ssh and I want to move a file from the server to my local machine how would you recommend I do it? I normally use scp or rsync but neither of those allow me to tab complete the path on the remote machine which is a pain in the ass. suggestions? Thanks everyone |
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| 16:13.21 | Dark_light | RodolfoRG: mmmm I'm not sure if it'd help |
| 16:13.26 | Dark_light | but you could try to do |
| 16:13.32 | Dark_light | rm -r ~/.config/Empathy |
| 16:13.38 | Dark_light | and restart it |
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| 16:15.59 | chiel | if i want to boot debian from a usb drive (net install), what filesystem should that drive have? fat? |
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| 16:16.28 | chiel | oh nvm :) |
| 16:17.09 | chiel | hrm |
| 16:17.21 | chiel | disk utility (os x) isn't letting me put the .iso file on this drive -.- |
| 16:18.06 | MrPopinjay | Aha, I found a program called sftp that does what I want! :) |
| 16:18.08 | MrPopinjay | Tara |
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| 16:19.05 | chiel | ffs piece of shit disk utility.. -.- |
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| 16:21.51 | crashev | guys, can console-kit-daemon be removed safely on server with Debian Wheeze ? |
| 16:23.07 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: I just moved the folder (instead of delete it)... quit empathy, killed any empathy and telepathy process... |
| 16:24.23 | RodolfoRG | Dark_light: reopened empathy... and it connected automatically to all my accounts :o |
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| 16:25.26 | crashev | nvmd, got rid of it |
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| 16:25.59 | Dark_light | RodolfoRG: oh yeah I remember that it was filed as a bug somewhere I have no idea how it does it but somehow it remembers everything |
| 16:26.04 | Dark_light | kind of scary in a way |
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| 16:29.38 | Dark_light | gtg now bye all |
| 16:30.01 | chiel | anyone here used os x to put the debian netinstall image onto a usb drive? it keeps throwing errors for me :/ |
| 16:30.28 | alfplayer | chiel: what error? |
| 16:30.45 | chiel | alfplayer: it says it can't be verified |
| 16:31.00 | alfplayer | chiel: do you try to verify it? how? |
| 16:31.05 | chiel | when i try to just double-click the .iso file it says there's no mountable filesystems |
| 16:31.18 | chiel | first i just tried with the disk utility, with the restore option |
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| 16:31.43 | alfplayer | chiel: same thing happened to someone a few days ago, but the drive was booteable anyway, so I suggest you try to boot it |
| 16:32.08 | chiel | alfplayer: i can't even get the iso onto the drive, that's the problem :( |
| 16:32.33 | alfplayer | chiel: how do you try to copy it? |
| 16:32.39 | chiel | it says: "Unable to scan "debian-7.0.0.....netinst.iso" (Invalid argument)" |
| 16:32.45 | chiel | with the disk utility |
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| 16:33.02 | alfplayer | on distros now it can be done with, dd, cp or cat |
| 16:33.09 | alfplayer | maybe you can do the same on OS X |
| 16:33.16 | chiel | hrm |
| 16:33.47 | alfplayer | like cat file.iso > /dev/sdX# on distros |
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| 16:34.43 | chiel | ok lemme give that a shot. |
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| 16:35.14 | chiel | hah, 320 entries in /dev/ |
| 16:35.16 | chiel | this should be fun. |
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| 16:35.52 | alfplayer | you can do a web search so you don't have to guess |
| 16:35.57 | inthl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:36.27 | digdilem | chiel, be sure you use the right one. if you cat to a live filesystem you could lose all your data on your hdd |
| 16:36.33 | chiel | yea :) |
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| 16:36.46 | chiel | it seems to be disk1s2 |
| 16:36.56 | alfplayer | inthl: it can be done with fsck, but I don't remember the arguments |
| 16:37.41 | m-r-r | Hello, |
| 16:38.01 | alfplayer | hi |
| 16:38.03 | inthl | ah yes, thanks :) -l filename |
| 16:38.15 | m-r-r | I just upgraded my computer, and tmux can't create sockets in /tmp |
| 16:38.33 | m-r-r | The strace shows `ECONNREFUSED` |
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| 16:38.57 | inthl | fsck.ext4 -l in this case, not for fsck only |
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| 16:39.47 | digdilem | m-r-r, check file permissions for /tmp - 0777 allows everything to write and is a common default, but some things like to change that |
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| 16:40.07 | m-r-r | digdilem: Ok |
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| 16:41.34 | chiel | alfplayer: so can i just cat it onto /dev/disk1, for example? |
| 16:41.41 | chiel | or does it need to be cat'd onto a partition? |
| 16:41.56 | alfplayer | chiel: maybe someone else... I don't know about OS X |
| 16:42.09 | chiel | hmm ok, I'll try onto a parittion first :) |
| 16:42.14 | alfplayer | chiel: it needs to be written to the whole disk |
| 16:42.30 | alfplayer | usb drive, that is |
| 16:42.39 | chiel | ok cool, thanks |
| 16:43.19 | chiel | cat'ing in progress... :p |
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| 16:43.40 | m-r-r | digdilem: I checked the permissions, and the directory created by tmux is 0777, and the socket has my UID and my GID ... |
| 16:44.47 | chiel | hmm, it seems to have done something to it |
| 16:44.49 | chiel | let's see! |
| 16:45.03 | digdilem | m-r-r, if tmux can create the permissions, it may not be that then. I'm afraid I don't know anything about tmux and can't help further |
| 16:45.13 | digdilem | create the dirs, I mean |
| 16:46.19 | m-r-r | digdilem: no problem, i will try a trunk version of tmux ... |
| 16:46.33 | digdilem | good luck |
| 16:46.49 | m-r-r | thank, anyway :-) |
| 16:46.50 | chiel | alfplayer: i love you |
| 16:46.54 | chiel | it worked |
| 16:47.07 | alfplayer | he, great |
| 16:47.15 | chiel | i would buy you a beer |
| 16:47.19 | chiel | (or whatever you fancy) |
| 16:47.27 | alfplayer | :) |
| 16:47.27 | chiel | cause the internet sucked balls in finding a solution for this :D |
| 16:47.46 | chiel | hm ok, i got happy too soon, when i select install it just reboots the machine lol |
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| 16:48.54 | m-r-r | Ok, i understood: tmux does execve("zsh") instead of execve("/bin/zsh") ... changed the settings and it works |
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| 16:50.20 | chiel | does windows have any utilities for creating a bootable drive from a .iso file? |
| 16:50.32 | dvs | win32diskimager |
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| 16:51.18 | alfplayer | chiel: you can check the ISO file checksum if you haven't |
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| 16:54.07 | chiel | i haven't no, it throws some error on startup as well, but it flashes by so quickly that i cannot read it. |
| 16:54.15 | chiel | gonna try creating the drive on windows instead. |
| 16:54.58 | chiel | it annoys me that os x fails at this |
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| 16:56.53 | Giuaigx | chiel, already tested with http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 16:57.11 | chiel | Giuaigx: actually using that right now (on windows anyway) |
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| 16:57.21 | mumpitze1 | !unetbootin |
| 16:57.21 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images: ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 16:57.26 | somiaj | becareful for some reason that tool doesn't always make bootable usb drives from debian iamges. I think win32diskmanager works better |
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| 16:57.43 | wdonkey | !usb install |
| 16:57.43 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 16:57.49 | vassilux | hi alls, |
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| 16:58.12 | chiel | i just downloaded the .iso file myself and am restoring that now, hopefully it'll work :) |
| 16:58.25 | chiel | if it doesn't, i'll give win32diskimager a go |
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| 16:58.33 | asarch | How do execute a RealBASIC binary file? |
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| 16:59.40 | muddo | i'm on sid, dist-upgrade failed leaving me with a broken python, the error output of 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and 'apt-get install -f' are at this link: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/ |
| 16:59.55 | muddo | do I have to build the missing glibc version individually? |
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| 17:00.03 | vassilux | I got the errors with dependencies libslang2-dev (= 2.2.2-4): FAILED |
| 17:00.03 | vassilux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.03 | vassilux | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.16 | vassilux | I'm on squeeze box |
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| 17:00.35 | muddo | wrong paste link: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?3f600409ead3c35e#W8Zb2XYmcS/tjLuf85Kqh+08Exbt4/QGw3O54qtv+Vg= |
| 17:01.16 | mumpitze1 | vassilux: those are -dev packages |
| 17:02.07 | mtn | muddo: might have better luck on debian-next on oftc.net |
| 17:02.23 | muddo | mtn: thx |
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| 17:02.56 | chiel | ffs, same thing.. |
| 17:03.07 | chiel | it just reboots when i select graphical install |
| 17:03.13 | chiel | and then i come into exactly the same menu |
| 17:03.16 | chiel | what the fuck :/ |
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| 17:03.44 | chiel | any of you have any idea what could be causing this? |
| 17:04.04 | chiel | hm, and i could read the error now: 'warning "prefix" is not set` |
| 17:04.08 | Giuaigx | chiel, just guessing, uefi bios? |
| 17:04.11 | Quix86 | the debian installer isn't working on my powerbook. I can't tell if something is hanging when I load the CD or if it's a video error |
| 17:04.20 | mumpitze1 | !tell vassilux about pm |
| 17:04.24 | chiel | Giuaigx: i thinks so yea |
| 17:04.42 | chiel | Giuaigx: actually it just says "efi bios" |
| 17:05.01 | wdonkey | installing debian from a usb drive, what partition should the usbdrive be formated to prior to cpying the imgs ? |
| 17:05.21 | mumpitze1 | wdonkey: none. the image overwrites any filesystem and ANY data you have on it |
| 17:05.23 | vassilux | sorry guys , don't think about I'm tired for my 5 day of simple-cdd :-) |
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| 17:05.57 | chiel | Giuaigx: when i go into the bios i can see the boot order, and then the drive i am trying to boot from has a little "UEFI" label. are you familiar with this issue? |
| 17:06.17 | wdonkey | mumpitze1, i would like to review the process step by step, do you mind assisting me some ? |
| 17:06.23 | Giuaigx | chiel, exactly what i was going to write you |
| 17:06.48 | Giuaigx | chiel, you need to start usb from the line with UEFI: at the beginning |
| 17:07.07 | chiel | Giuaigx: you mean drag that to the front, yea? |
| 17:07.18 | chiel | i put it at the front, but every time it just boots back into the installer |
| 17:07.22 | mumpitze1 | wdonkey: I mind you asking. just state your problem as good as you can and the channel will help if it can |
| 17:07.31 | wdonkey | i just need to # cp debian.iso /dev/sdX my .img one by one on my usb drive then sink |
| 17:07.42 | wdonkey | sync |
| 17:07.45 | wdonkey | not sink |
| 17:08.11 | Giuaigx | don't you have an F9 or so to choose boot device at start? |
| 17:08.24 | chiel | Giuaigx: nope, can only enter into here, at least that's the only thing it tells me about |
| 17:08.44 | chiel | only says "press DEL to enter EFI bios" bla bla |
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| 17:09.08 | Giuaigx | and nothing to choose boot order on the fly... |
| 17:09.13 | chiel | it's the weirdest bios i ever saw anyway.. "ASUS EFI BIOS Utility - EZ Mode" |
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| 17:09.41 | Giuaigx | i've big problem with an asus uefi too |
| 17:09.47 | mumpitze1 | !powerbook |
| 17:09.48 | Giuaigx | *had |
| 17:10.26 | chiel | Giuaigx: it was similar to this issue? |
| 17:10.33 | chiel | i could try hitting f9 on startup, maybe it's there. |
| 17:10.40 | mumpitze1 | chiel: on what hardware do you want to install debian exactly? |
| 17:10.55 | Giuaigx | chiel, i don't know if f9 is right it was just an example |
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| 17:11.12 | chiel | mumpitze1: it's an e-450 chip |
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| 17:11.51 | wdonkey | the process sounds too easy to be true, do i just copy the 3 dvd . img on the unmounted device and i get a boot disk ? when all is done ?? |
| 17:12.06 | Giuaigx | and yes, i saw a similar error on a asus laptop |
| 17:12.13 | chiel | hmm :s |
| 17:12.14 | mumpitze1 | wdonkey: no. you only copy the first dvd onto it and nothing else |
| 17:12.15 | chiel | so annoying |
| 17:12.22 | chiel | i don't understand why this is happening :( |
| 17:12.28 | mumpitze1 | wdonkey: and yes, then you have a debian installer boot disk |
| 17:12.33 | chiel | it is nice to know that it's the machine rather than the debian netinstall though |
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| 17:12.51 | wdonkey | mumpitze1, what about the 2 other dvd img that i downloaded ? |
| 17:13.02 | wdonkey | they get linked by themselves ? |
| 17:13.02 | mumpitze1 | wdonkey: ignore them |
| 17:13.21 | Giuaigx | chiel, not really machine but new uefi bios for sure |
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| 17:13.29 | wdonkey | i want to know if i lost my bandwidth downloading them |
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| 17:13.37 | wdonkey | (or rather, my work's bandwidth ) |
| 17:13.39 | chiel | i have 3 possible boot devices: UEFI Samsung thing (has the debian install), internal SATA ssd and a Generic Compact Flash thing |
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| 17:13.50 | chiel | hmm ok, can i somehow install a different bios or something? |
| 17:13.55 | mumpitze1 | wdonkey: you can use them but it's mostly pointless. you should have read the debian install guide before downloading. I suggest you do that now |
| 17:14.04 | Giuaigx | chiel, i don't think so |
| 17:14.08 | chiel | fuck. |
| 17:14.12 | mumpitze1 | chiel: no. go into your UEFI BIOS and set it to boot from usb |
| 17:14.13 | wdonkey | !! |
| 17:14.13 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 17:14.54 | chiel | mumpitze1: i put the usb device first in the boot order, but every time i select "Graphical Install", it just boots into the same menu |
| 17:15.01 | chiel | where i have to choose what kind of install i want |
| 17:15.23 | mumpitze1 | and which ones can you choose from there? |
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| 17:15.36 | mumpitze1 | have you ever tried to use a text based install then? |
| 17:15.59 | chiel | hmm don't think so, hang on lemme reboot the machine and check exactly what i can choose. |
| 17:16.38 | nyuszika7h | hi, I'm using nouveau, and there's no apparent mode switch being done when switching from tty to X or vice-versa, yet the screen blinks. any idea? |
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| 17:17.42 | chiel | mumpitze1: I can choose "Install", "Graphical install", "Advanced options ..." and "Install with speech synthesis". the advanced options has a bunch more methods of installing |
| 17:18.21 | chiel | expert install, rescue mode, automated install, graphical expert install, graphical rescue mode, graphical automated install, desktop environment menu |
| 17:18.25 | mumpitze1 | then choose "install" |
| 17:18.40 | chiel | yea, tried that before and it just boots back into the same screen |
| 17:18.43 | vassilux | thanks mumpitze1 I put by hand dev packages to cd I delete dev packages from my profile and it works sorry for private message the my first time here |
| 17:19.06 | chiel | and that's basically all i can do :/ |
| 17:19.11 | chiel | it's an endless cycle |
| 17:19.42 | Giuaigx | chiel, what exact pc model do you have? and what distro arch you downloaded? |
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| 17:20.06 | chiel | i have this motherboard: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/E45M1I_DELUXE/ |
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| 17:20.33 | chiel | and i downloaded debian 7.0.0 amd64 netinstall |
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| 17:21.12 | chiel | i can also enter the GRUB command line if that's of any use? |
| 17:21.28 | Quix86 | Right so, when I go to the boot menu and select the deb7 CD, as soon as the CD loads the screen goes black |
| 17:21.41 | Quix86 | no display at all, and nothing on an external either |
| 17:22.25 | Giuaigx | chiel, no use for that, for me at least |
| 17:22.59 | chiel | alright |
| 17:23.05 | alfplayer | chiel: when you do cat, wait until it finishes writing to the drive. The command may end much sooner than that. Check that the LED on the drive stops. |
| 17:23.05 | chiel | ugh, this shit is driving me crazy :( |
| 17:23.35 | chiel | alfplayer: yea i did that, it ended up not being a problem with the installer, it's something to do with my bios boot sequence or some shit :/ |
| 17:23.44 | alfplayer | ok |
| 17:24.20 | nyuszika7h | any idea how to reduce the font size on a VGA console enough so that it doesn't look like a huge monster? |
| 17:24.31 | chiel | Giuaigx: ah, the boot menu is under f8, but selecting the correct device just puts me in exactly the same screen again :/ |
| 17:24.40 | nyuszika7h | resolution is 1280x800, VGA console is 640x480 (I guess, hence the "VGA") |
| 17:25.18 | Giuaigx | chiel, and how many items have UEFI: at the beginning? in the f8 menu i mean |
| 17:25.39 | chiel | I DID IT |
| 17:25.40 | chiel | :D |
| 17:25.42 | chiel | well |
| 17:25.44 | chiel | somewhat |
| 17:25.49 | chiel | i noticed the usb drive was there twice |
| 17:25.54 | chiel | once with UEFI in front, once without |
| 17:26.06 | chiel | so i tried the one without, and that one booted right into the actual installation program |
| 17:26.29 | chiel | do you reckon this will have any impact whatsoever? |
| 17:27.01 | chiel | cause it's kinda weird that the one without UEFI is visible only in the boot menu, not in the BIOS setup |
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| 17:27.43 | chiel | anyway, i gotta run by the shop quickly before it closes |
| 17:27.46 | chiel | i'll be back :) |
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| 17:35.47 | i4c | hi all html5 videos run twice the speed or more and i don't have any sound after installing some random packages from 'main' , any ideas how to get it back ? |
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| 17:36.07 | i4c | get "them" back |
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| 17:38.34 | i4c | i also don't get sound on flash, or regular videos from my harddrive |
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| 17:41.28 | Giuaigx | nyuszika7h, if i understand well you need to edit /etc/default/grub and look for grub_gfxmode block, vbeinfo is the tool to use for know resolution supported by your HW |
| 17:41.52 | nyuszika7h | Giuaigx: no |
| 17:42.08 | nyuszika7h | nvidia driver only supports vga console which is alwaysm640x480 |
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| 17:42.27 | nyuszika7h | vesafb is not supported |
| 17:42.49 | Giuaigx | i use nvidia closed and usually i set GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1024x768 |
| 17:43.02 | Giuaigx | and it works for me |
| 17:43.31 | nyuszika7h | Giuaigx: did you try switching to tty, back to X, back to tty then again to X? |
| 17:43.36 | nyuszika7h | it will surely bug it up |
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| 17:44.42 | Giuaigx | on my box it keep resolution as i want |
| 17:44.51 | Giuaigx | and i meaning tty |
| 17:45.14 | nyuszika7h | it bugs up the nvidia driver for me if I switch between tty and X more than once |
| 17:45.58 | Giuaigx | so sorry i can't help you |
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| 17:46.28 | Giuaigx | i can switch many times but no bug |
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| 17:48.07 | Giuaigx | btw my tty is on 1024x768 so vga console doesn't need to be only at 640x480 |
| 17:48.59 | Giuaigx | i mean nvidia closed driver can be bigger than 640x480 |
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| 17:52.32 | slooth | Hello. Debian Wheezy keeps booting into X automatically, even though I set run level 3 into inittab. There's no *dm on it, it just starts X automatically. How do I force it NOT to start X at all (so I can start it with startx anytime I want)? Thanks. |
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| 17:52.52 | Quix86 | slooth I think the lazy way to do it would be to remove gdm/zdm |
| 17:52.55 | Quix86 | xdm* |
| 17:53.02 | slooth | Quimby, there's no *dm on it. |
| 17:53.14 | slooth | Quix86, there's no *dm on it |
| 17:54.13 | Ghormoon_ | hi, I know it's offtopic, but is it possible to read (and edit) metadata of an .exe file? It's impossible on windows because of it's stupid permission handling (even on Administrator(=root) it always says you "you need permission from Administrator" :D) so I'm searching for another way to change it :) |
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| 18:02.29 | chiel | Giuaigx: just to reiterate, it shouldn't have any impact if i use the non-UEFI thing, right? |
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| 18:04.18 | Giuaigx | chiel, i think it affect only the medium you are using to boot not the system when installed |
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| 18:04.37 | chiel | hmm ok, should be ok then, installing as we speak |
| 18:04.54 | Giuaigx | chiel, but again, i'm not an expert neither in Debian or in new uefi |
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| 18:05.06 | chiel | :D |
| 18:05.08 | chiel | no problem |
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| 18:05.35 | chiel | hm |
| 18:05.45 | chiel | it's saying now i need to detect and mount a cd-rom, but i'm trying to do a netinstall |
| 18:05.57 | chiel | it says "try a network installation instead of a cd-rom installation" xD |
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| 18:09.43 | Giuaigx | slooth, what do you get after boot? a grey screen? |
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| 18:10.23 | chiel | hmm.. it's like the non-UEFI thing is not actually a netinstall... i don't understand :( |
| 18:10.26 | slooth | Giuaigx, no, it starts X. I'm using Fluxbox specifically, it boots into X and it loads fluxbox (since I have it in .xsession, so its understandable). But why does it bother to startx on its own? Thats the problem |
| 18:11.11 | Giuaigx | slooth, and "ls -al /etc/rc3.d/" what show? |
| 18:11.37 | chiel | yea, seems i cannot use the non-UEFI thing. |
| 18:11.38 | chiel | fuck |
| 18:12.00 | Giuaigx | slooth, to choose services at boot i usually use "sysv-rc-conf" |
| 18:12.07 | chiel | it's like it didn't load the netinstall, but something else instead.. fuck |
| 18:12.09 | chiel | so anoying |
| 18:12.12 | slooth | Giuaigx, it's not in runlevel 3. There's nothing about X there.. |
| 18:12.34 | Giuaigx | slooth, empty dir? |
| 18:12.46 | slooth | Giuaigx, I mean: there's nothing regarding X in /etc/rc3.d. No, its not empty, it has ssh and some other stuff, but none of it is about X. |
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| 18:18.46 | Giuaigx | slooth, nice trouble...what is supposed to be different from init 2 to 3? if i'm not wrong 2-5 are the same (multiuser) |
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| 18:19.17 | chiel | hmm, i found some more information... apparently there's probably something wrong with my partition table that needs to be fixed |
| 18:19.22 | chiel | so it says to try a live install |
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| 18:19.52 | chiel | i'm looking at the list of live install images, but i'm not sure which one to take. |
| 18:19.56 | chiel | since there's several |
| 18:20.01 | slooth | Giuaigx, yeah, I use lowest (3) for networking, 5 is X11, 4 I don't know |
| 18:20.06 | slooth | Giuaigx, 2 disables net |
| 18:20.08 | chiel | gnome, kde, standard, xfce |
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| 18:20.15 | chiel | oh and rescue |
| 18:20.23 | chiel | should i just go for standard, or something? |
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| 18:21.24 | Giuaigx | slooth, but default is (2) |
| 18:21.38 | Giuaigx | slooth, and it have networking too |
| 18:21.57 | Giuaigx | slooth, but maybe i'm just too newbish here |
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| 18:22.27 | Giuaigx | chiel, i'd go with gnome |
| 18:22.28 | slooth | Giuaigx, to be precise, they can differ, so I am talking about Debian here |
| 18:22.49 | slooth | Giuaigx, although I can guarantee that 2 disables net at least on RedHat. |
| 18:22.52 | chiel | Giuaigx: what is the difference, exactly? |
| 18:23.02 | chiel | i only ever used debian on a server, not as a desktop |
| 18:23.16 | Giuaigx | chiel, only Desktop change |
| 18:23.23 | chiel | hmm ok |
| 18:23.32 | chiel | the install is like twice as big as standard, haha |
| 18:23.45 | Giuaigx | slooth, runlevel uses are different from RH to Deb |
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| 18:24.24 | Giuaigx | slooth, i know for sure default init is different |
| 18:24.26 | slooth | Giuaigx, yes..I just said that :) |
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| 18:24.53 | Giuaigx | slooth, ah ok sorry...not mother english ;) |
| 18:25.03 | slooth | Giuaigx, :) np. Yeah, weird problem |
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| 18:29.26 | jelly-home | Giuaigx: right, by default runlevels 2-5 are exactly the same |
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| 18:30.07 | i4c | should i install snd-gtk-pulse or snd-gtk-jack to recover my sound ? |
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| 18:32.15 | jelly-home | i4c: the descriptions for those packages do not look relevant for sound functionality |
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| 18:32.43 | Giuaigx | slooth, if you start in runlevel (1) you get again X? |
| 18:33.25 | Giuaigx | slooth, "telinit 1" to just reboot |
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| 18:34.41 | slooth | Giuaigx, I can't test it at this point, nevermind the question. :) |
| 18:34.43 | frxstrem | does anyone know how to set up mouse emulation (i.e., controlling the mouse with the numpad) in wheezy? I can't seem to find an option anywhere |
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| 18:36.53 | Giuaigx | slooth, question never read :) |
| 18:37.14 | frxstrem | (oh, nevermind, I figured it out myself) |
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| 18:38.31 | i4c | hmm i tried some sound guides and they all seem outdated they had snd-gtk-alsa, wheezy only has jack and pulse, i also noted that totem has the same bug as html5, but vlc works fine, this seems like a codec thing or a lib problem really weird |
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| 18:38.57 | i4c | is there any way i can recover libs or packages i uninstalled since fresh install |
| 18:39.06 | i4c | is there a list of those packages ? |
| 18:39.44 | Giuaigx | time to go, hi to all |
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| 18:41.32 | i4c | i heard of people with scripts to install massive "apt-gets" |
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| 18:42.54 | i4c | what files, configs and packages should i erase/uninstall to reset my sound ? |
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| 18:43.46 | thanosme | hello. I run debian wheezy and I can't find the "qemu-system-arm" package. any ideas? |
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| 18:47.46 | chiel | hrm.. isn't a live install just supposed to boot into debian? :s it's booting me into an installer again |
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| 18:49.01 | i4c | chiel: i think there is a "try it out" option at least there was on xfce wheezy live dvd |
| 18:49.57 | chiel | hmm |
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| 18:50.03 | i4c | if there isn't i remember quiting the install and it went to the desktop enviorment |
| 18:50.41 | chiel | hmm |
| 18:50.47 | chiel | doesn't seem to be a try it out option |
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| 18:51.08 | chiel | there's no option to simply exit either. |
| 18:51.09 | chiel | very weird. |
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| 18:53.40 | acu | how can I bring on a realtek8723 wifi in wheezy, just disabled in Network-Manager and I cannot see it anywhere |
| 18:54.52 | chiel | man |
| 18:54.58 | chiel | this shit is pissing me off to suck an extent |
| 18:55.06 | chiel | trying all day just to install a fucking OS |
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| 18:56.51 | i4c | chiel: did u download from jigdo, http, torrent ? cause maybe it is faulty, seems very weird i remember live dvd being diferent |
| 18:57.01 | i4c | what live dvd do u have ? |
| 18:57.13 | i4c | version and desktop enviorment |
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| 18:57.41 | chiel | i4c: i downloaded the live image from debian.org and then put it onto a usb drive |
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| 18:58.03 | chiel | this usb drive previously had a netinstall dvd, but i overwrote it with unetbootbin |
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| 18:59.02 | AciD`` | I installed a brand new debian 7. The volume control has a steep volume curve, where you hear nothing until 70%, then very much at 85%, instead of being more linear. Any idea how to fix that ? |
| 18:59.44 | chiel | you're lucky to even get it installed, my bios is being a prick.. :/ |
| 19:00.03 | AciD`` | chiel: what is your problem ? |
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| 19:01.32 | i4c | chiel: u might want to try the forums or the other debian channels http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
| 19:01.40 | i4c | i never tried with usb |
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| 19:02.59 | chiel | AciD``: i'm having trouble booting into the installer form my uefi motherboard |
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| 19:03.23 | AciD`` | chiel: which kind of error do you get ? |
| 19:03.50 | f8l | chiel: You said you boot into an installer earlier… |
| 19:03.54 | chiel | no error, basically it boots into the installer (which is fine), i select install, it reboots my computer and then just boots into the installer again |
| 19:04.05 | chiel | yeah sorry, that was not a good way to describe it |
| 19:04.19 | chiel | i mean it doesn't go onto the actual installation process. from the uefi boot partition |
| 19:04.25 | f8l | chiel: Did you try any of the fail-safe methods? |
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| 19:04.33 | bitHipy_ | virtualbox has a "kernel oops" on squeeze. Is there a decent GNU alternative to virtualbox? |
| 19:04.35 | chiel | not that i'm aware of |
| 19:05.03 | f8l | chiel: You may also want to read release notes and errata. There are usually common problems listed. |
| 19:05.07 | chiel | if i access the boot menu, my usb drive is listed twice. once with UEFI prepended, once without. the option without boots me into an installer, but it requires cd-rom media |
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| 19:06.04 | chiel | since i don't have a cd-rom, i wanted to install it from a usb drive with a netinstall |
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| 19:06.19 | cusco | ,version bash |
| 19:06.19 | judd | Package: bash on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1; jessie: 4.2+dfsg-1; sid: 4.2+dfsg-1 |
| 19:06.21 | f8l | chiel: By „requires cd-rom media” do you mean „asks for a CD to scan for packages”? |
| 19:06.27 | cusco | cool |
| 19:06.31 | cusco | thank you judd |
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| 19:06.49 | chiel | that didn't work and i read somewhere that it's a problem to do with the partition table. they suggested using a live install and then repartitioning from that. i put a live install onto the usb, but it doesn't actually boot into a desktop environment |
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| 19:07.16 | chiel | f8l: it wants to detect and mount a cd-rom, and then load installer components from it |
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| 19:07.38 | f8l | chiel: Ah, right. |
| 19:08.00 | f8l | chiel: I don't know if the installation CD are meant for use with USB sticks… |
| 19:08.22 | chiel | hmm, i thought i downloaded the one that's supposed to go on a usb drive |
| 19:08.28 | chiel | could i have been this retarded? |
| 19:08.31 | chiel | let's see... :/ |
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| 19:08.46 | neetismurder | there is an rpm package I need to install, but it is for i386 and I only have amd64 machines available atm, how should I proceed? |
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| 19:09.25 | smw | neetismurder, installing RPM packages on debian can be dangerous |
| 19:09.58 | smw | neetismurder, I recommend installing the OS your RPM was built for |
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| 19:10.41 | chiel | f8l: hmm, i just downloaded the "debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso" |
| 19:10.49 | neetismurder | I guess that's an option, but it seems kind of wasteful to run another gnu/linux vm inside debian |
| 19:10.57 | chiel | it's supposed to be so i don't need a cd-rom drive.. :p |
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| 19:11.14 | Arrowmaster | chiel: did you dd that onto the usb drive |
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| 19:11.25 | zykotick9 | f8l: re install/USB - all Debian ISOs since squeeze have been hybrid cd/usb, you can just cat the install media to USB |
| 19:11.28 | neetismurder | besides, it's just the UC Berkely STk scheme for SICP, I don't foresee any major problems |
| 19:11.30 | elkingrey | Thinking about switching to Debian from Ubuntu. Does Wheezy offer easy FDE install like Ubuntu? |
| 19:11.52 | f8l | zykotick9: Thanks. :-) Good to know. |
| 19:11.58 | Arrowmaster | elkingrey: yes |
| 19:12.20 | f8l | chiel: Then I'm not surprised it doesn't boot into the desktop. It doesn't look like a live image. |
| 19:12.23 | chiel | Arrowmaster: dd? i did put it on the usb drive, yes |
| 19:12.32 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: what is FDE? |
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| 19:12.34 | chiel | f8l: oh sorry, that's the netinstall i used initially. |
| 19:12.37 | Arrowmaster | it matters how you put it on the usb drive |
| 19:12.42 | chiel | the live image i used was the gnome one. |
| 19:12.48 | elkingrey | Arrowmaster: Is this a new feature with Wheezy or was it in earlier releases? I can't find any links on the net that show Debian has FDE |
| 19:12.49 | chiel | Arrowmaster: ok, what would be the suggested way? |
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| 19:13.13 | zykotick9 | chiel: personally, i'd avoid using the LiveMedia to do actual installs from YMMV. good luck. |
| 19:13.14 | chiel | i have both os x and windows at my disposal, whatever is needed |
| 19:13.24 | Arrowmaster | elkingrey: its in the installer |
| 19:13.32 | Arrowmaster | elkingrey: read the install guide |
| 19:13.33 | f8l | chiel: I'd say dd should do, but you mentioned unetbootin… |
| 19:13.46 | Arrowmaster | elkingrey: debian has done full disk encryption for a long time |
| 19:13.46 | chiel | zykotick9: the only reason i tried a live install is cause somewhere was suggested the install might be failing due to my hd having the wrong partition table. |
| 19:13.59 | zykotick9 | unetbootin is known to cause problems with debian cat (or dd) would be better. |
| 19:14.02 | chiel | f8l: i have no idea what dd is, sorry :) |
| 19:14.23 | chiel | initially i tried to cat the iso onto the disk (the disk itsself, not a partition) |
| 19:14.26 | Danic | Hi there. Since I upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy, my init script won't start my service on boot. Only manually by typing "service ... start". I configured it to run at the runlevel with sysv-rc-something. Is there anything that Wheezy does in a different way? |
| 19:14.30 | chiel | that had the same errors |
| 19:14.48 | chiel | i got booted into the installer menu, but selecting install only rebooted the machine, right back into the installer menu |
| 19:14.50 | Arrowmaster | Danic: wheezy uses insserv, you need to add lsb headers to your initscript |
| 19:15.12 | asarch | How do you enable the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart the X11 server? |
| 19:16.09 | Danic | Arrowmaster, isn't this correct? https://gist.github.com/Borkason/1d5e7077fee37548705d |
| 19:16.11 | AciD`` | asarch: search for the xorg nozap option |
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| 19:16.40 | chiel | zykotick9, Arrowmaster: based on that... any suggestions? i'ev been told my bios (uefi) might cause issues as well... i'm at a loss, i've been trying to get this working all day |
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| 19:17.08 | f8l | chiel: cat is as good I guess… Either way, quite long ago, when I was installing Debian, I could press F2 through Fsomething to get various help screens for methods of booting the installer. It may have changed since then though… |
| 19:17.10 | zykotick9 | asarch: i think dontzap is the keyword you want to look for... no idea if it's still available in gnome3 though. good luck. |
| 19:17.11 | asarch | Thank you AciD` |
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| 19:17.25 | asarch | D'oh! Ok zykotick9 |
| 19:17.34 | asarch | Thank you |
| 19:17.42 | Arrowmaster | Danic: looks right, use the insserv command to create the /etc/rc?.d symlinks and it should tell you if anything is wrong, check the manpage for the exact command |
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| 19:18.02 | chiel | f8l: hmm ok, i'll try cat'ing this netinstall onto the drive again, but i don't hold high hopes. :( do i need to format the drive beforehand or anything? |
| 19:18.19 | Danic | Arrowmaster, I always used sysv-rc-conf. Must I use insserv? |
| 19:18.21 | Arrowmaster | no, the partitions are part of the iso |
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| 19:18.31 | Arrowmaster | Danic: yes |
| 19:18.33 | chiel | ok cool, so i just cat onto the disk itsself |
| 19:18.46 | Danic | Arrowmaster, thanks. |
| 19:18.55 | Arrowmaster | chiel: from OSX? |
| 19:18.59 | zykotick9 | chiel: no formatting required! and if sdb is your drive, use sdb and NOT sdb1 for teh destination |
| 19:19.04 | chiel | Arrowmaster: i'm on os x atm, yes |
| 19:19.23 | chiel | zykotick9: sdb? |
| 19:19.26 | zykotick9 | chiel: oh, ignore above comment then. for OSX i have no idea. |
| 19:19.30 | chiel | ah |
| 19:19.33 | Arrowmaster | no clue how osx does drives |
| 19:19.40 | chiel | i just did a cat onto /dev/disk1 |
| 19:19.50 | chiel | which is the usb drive, it's writing now |
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| 19:20.14 | alfplayer | all Debian 7 ISOs are hybrid? |
| 19:20.26 | chiel | sadly i don't have a linux install available locally, i've only used debian on a server |
| 19:20.53 | zykotick9 | alfplayer: well, all the cd1/dvd1 + netinst |
| 19:21.02 | Arrowmaster | alfplayer: only the disc1s are |
| 19:21.13 | f8l | chiel: The release notes suggest you could disable uefi. |
| 19:21.32 | chiel | f8l: how? do you have a link? |
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| 19:23.06 | f8l | chiel: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata.en.html |
| 19:23.20 | chiel | f8l: thanks |
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| 19:24.17 | chiel | hmm ok, i'll check if i can do that |
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| 19:25.28 | chiel | then the question is just *how* do i turn off efi stuff |
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| 19:26.27 | f8l | chiel: When I was installing Debian, it had an option to „install as an expert” or something like that. That option gave more control over the installation process. |
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| 19:27.11 | f8l | wonders how the D-I boot prompt looks like these days… |
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| 19:27.46 | Arrowmaster | f8l: it looks different depending on legacy or UEFI boot |
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| 19:28.39 | chiel | f8l: if i choose advanced options > expert install, it just reboots the same as before, and boots into the install menu again |
| 19:28.43 | chiel | not into an actual installer |
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| 19:29.10 | f8l | chiel: Did you try to press F2 on the prompt? |
| 19:29.18 | gamme | has anyone seen nza? |
| 19:29.25 | f8l | Arrowmaster: I wasn't aware of that. |
| 19:29.53 | chiel | f8l: which prompt? i get no prompt :( |
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| 19:30.04 | chiel | or you mean when the bios is loading or something? |
| 19:31.26 | f8l | chiel: Ah, right. You said something about a menu. So it has no prompt now I guess. |
| 19:31.47 | chiel | yea :/ |
| 19:32.15 | chiel | i can't seem to find any options either to turn uefi off |
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| 19:33.17 | chiel | oh right, it means to boot the USB without uefi i guess |
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| 19:33.49 | chiel | that's where i was before, where it keeps asking me for a cd-rom :/ |
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| 19:34.33 | f8l | chiel: I think you can bypass that step somehow… |
| 19:34.50 | Arrowmaster | it should scan and find the files on the drive |
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| 19:35.59 | chiel | hmm i tried multiple times but it always complains and then i get a big red screen |
| 19:36.08 | f8l | chiel: I guess you'd have to mount the stick for the installer and proceed. |
| 19:36.26 | f8l | chiel: What it says? |
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| 19:37.28 | chiel | lemme go into that installer again |
| 19:37.38 | f8l | chiel: If it doesn't say anything useful, you may try accessing the fourth console. IIRC there should be more output messages. |
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| 19:38.38 | chiel | right, so i am using the non-uefi version of the stuff on the usb drive now |
| 19:38.54 | horvan | Hey folks is anyone familiar with preseeding a debian installation an willing to help out? |
| 19:39.07 | chiel | so firsy it asks for language, locale, keymap etc... |
| 19:39.19 | chiel | that's when it tries to mount the cd-rom |
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| 19:40.17 | chiel | it says "No common CD-ROM drive was detected. You may need to load additional CD-ROM drivers from removable media, such as a driver floppy. If you have such media available now, insert it, and continue. Otherwise, you will be given the option to manually select CD-ROM modules. Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media?" |
| 19:40.35 | chiel | to that i said no, cause i don't have a cd-rom drive |
| 19:40.42 | res22 | so which of the cd-1 to cd-8 is run of the mill debian? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:41.29 | f8l | res22: I'm not sure if I understand your question, but usually CD1 is enough for most installations. |
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| 19:41.42 | zykotick9 | res22: if you have network, consider using netinst instead |
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| 19:42.02 | res22 | f8l: thanks I'll get that |
| 19:42.06 | chiel | then is syas... "No common CD-ROM drive was detected. ...." blabla, some stuff about older drives (i don't have one) "Manually select a CD-ROM module and device?" |
| 19:42.06 | res22 | why are there 8? |
| 19:42.13 | chiel | so to that i say no again, cause i don't have a drive... |
| 19:42.17 | f8l | res22: And if you already have Debian CDs, consider using jigdo. |
| 19:42.48 | chiel | then it says.... "Installation step failed. An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else" |
| 19:42.50 | f8l | res22: They ship less popular packages. You want them only if you don't have network connection and you need the packages they contain. |
| 19:43.12 | chiel | so then i get sent to the installer main menu |
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| 19:43.32 | chiel | after "Detect and mount CD-ROM" comes the option "Load installer components from CD" |
| 19:43.38 | Arrowmaster | i cant recommend you ever use the CDs if possible, either use the netinstall if you will have a working net connection that doesnt suck during the install or use DVD1 otherwise, CD1 just doesn't contain enough of the standard packages for a good offline install |
| 19:43.39 | chiel | which i can't do cause, well, i don't have a cd. |
| 19:44.02 | chiel | so what do you guys recommend in that situation? |
| 19:44.11 | chiel | the step after that is "Change debconf priority" |
| 19:44.36 | Arrowmaster | chiel: your situation is really weird |
| 19:44.42 | f8l | chiel: I'd mount the stick in place of the CD the installer failed to find. |
| 19:44.46 | chiel | Arrowmaster: tell me about it... :( |
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| 19:44.58 | f8l | chiel: Switch to console 4 and try to find something useful there. |
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| 19:45.08 | chiel | f8l: well, the drive is plugged in and stuff, cause that's where the installer is running from |
| 19:45.21 | chiel | it's a netinstall, so i kinda expect it to just find it's shit on the interwebs |
| 19:45.29 | f8l | chiel: Yes, but somehow it doesn't know about that. |
| 19:46.00 | f8l | chiel: Not everything can be pulled from the Internet. Some essential stuff has to be on the CD. |
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| 19:46.17 | chiel | other options i can do are.... "Change debconf priority", "Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity", "Save debug logs", "Execute a shell" or "Abort the installation" |
| 19:46.31 | chiel | and that's it.. that's the only options i have :/ |
| 19:46.34 | chiel | i am so confused. |
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| 19:46.47 | f8l | chiel: Have you switched to the console 4? I'd search for information about the mountpoint there. |
| 19:47.01 | chiel | f8l: i don't know what console 4 is, sorry |
| 19:47.25 | apm1 | is debiankfreebsd still a non production release even after the wheezy release and all ? |
| 19:47.26 | f8l | chiel: Alt+F4 should bring you there. |
| 19:47.52 | chiel | f8l: alt f4 doesn't do anything :s |
| 19:48.07 | chiel | maybe i should just try a squeeze netinstall or something :( |
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| 19:48.21 | f8l | chiel: Maybe Control+Alt+F4. Or was it F2? |
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| 19:50.28 | chiel | f8l: doesn't seem to work, i can only use the provided options.. :/ |
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| 19:52.04 | f8l | chiel: Can you launch a shell? |
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| 19:52.43 | chiel | f8l: yea |
| 19:52.57 | chiel | ash, some bash clone, it seems? |
| 19:53.16 | f8l | chiel: The other way around, I'd say. |
| 19:53.25 | chiel | also fine :p |
| 19:53.37 | chiel | what should i do in this shell? |
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| 19:53.55 | f8l | chiel: Now to find a way to get to the logs… |
| 19:54.07 | f8l | chiel: They may be somewhere in /var/log |
| 19:54.32 | Arrowmaster | logs should be on tty4 |
| 19:54.51 | f8l | Arrowmaster: I know, but chiel couldn't get there. |
| 19:55.20 | f8l | Arrowmaster: Or I gave him wrong key combos… |
| 19:55.33 | chiel | hrmm |
| 19:55.46 | chiel | i can't even type a /, perhaps i selected the wrong keymap or something. |
| 19:56.18 | f8l | chiel: Try with a different one. Maybe this is why you can't get to the tty4. |
| 19:56.39 | chiel | hmm, yea, can get to /var/log now |
| 19:56.51 | chiel | Arrowmaster: what's the key to get to tty4 then? |
| 19:57.06 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-alt-f4 from the gui |
| 19:57.08 | f8l | chiel: Try again with Alt+F4 or Control+Alt+F4 |
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| 19:57.25 | chiel | hrm, doesn't seem to work |
| 19:57.39 | Arrowmaster | your hardware seems wried |
| 19:57.48 | f8l | chiel: Do you run the GUI version of the installer or the text one? |
| 19:57.49 | chiel | ah, i found a log |
| 19:57.53 | chiel | text |
| 19:58.05 | chiel | i was able to save a debug log onto the drive |
| 19:58.08 | chiel | to /mnt |
| 19:58.15 | chiel | so there's an install log there. |
| 19:58.16 | f8l | chiel: You may also try Alt+arrows then. |
| 19:58.54 | chiel | there's... hardware-summary, install-report.template, lsb-release, status, syslog |
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| 19:59.03 | chiel | is there any you'd like me to check in particular? |
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| 19:59.31 | f8l | chiel: grep them for mount. |
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| 20:02.07 | f8l | chiel: Super/Start/Windows logo keys may work as Alt in text mode. |
| 20:02.29 | chiel | let's seem there's mount in status and syslog |
| 20:02.55 | chiel | oh |
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| 20:03.03 | chiel | alt+ right key put me into a console as well |
| 20:03.12 | chiel | BusyBox v1.20.2 |
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| 20:03.38 | f8l | chiel: Press Alt+Right twice more. |
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| 20:03.56 | chiel | ah there's a big log |
| 20:04.08 | chiel | hm |
| 20:04.10 | chiel | how do i go up haha |
| 20:04.10 | f8l | chiel: And that's the one we're looking for. |
| 20:04.30 | f8l | chiel: Shift+Prev(aka Page Up) |
| 20:04.47 | chiel | k |
| 20:04.54 | f8l | chiel: But what you're looking for should be at the bottom. |
| 20:05.06 | chiel | so it says "CDROM-detect failed; unmounting CD just to be sure" |
| 20:05.07 | f8l | chiel: Search for a failed mount command. |
| 20:06.00 | chiel | doesn't seem to be one :s |
| 20:06.01 | chiel | hmm |
| 20:06.03 | f8l | chiel: Is there something that looks like: „mount /dev/something /cd-rom? |
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| 20:06.08 | chiel | lemme see |
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| 20:06.30 | jil | hello |
| 20:06.37 | chiel | hmm, not that i can see, no |
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| 20:06.57 | chiel | but i have been fucking about a fair bit since it failed, so lemme try to restart the installation and see where that takes me |
| 20:06.58 | f8l | chiel: Does it say anything about a mountpoint? |
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| 20:07.04 | jil | What's the name of this little application which auto-detect the keyboard layout on installation? |
| 20:07.21 | chiel | f8l: the only thing it says is the failed cd-rom mount |
| 20:07.52 | f8l | chiel: These are bad news. We'll have to shoot blind probably. |
| 20:08.10 | f8l | Sorry for my English. |
| 20:08.26 | chiel | f8l: don't be sorry, restarting the installer now so i can check the logs throughout |
| 20:09.22 | chiel | ok let's see |
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| 20:10.31 | chiel | "check-missing-firmware: no missing firmware in /dev/.udev/firmware-missing /run/udev/firmware-missing" |
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| 20:10.48 | chiel | "cdrom-detect: Searching for Debian installation media..." |
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| 20:11.06 | chiel | "CDROM-detect failed; unmounting CD just to be sure" |
| 20:11.22 | f8l | chiel: So nothing useful… :-( |
| 20:11.24 | chiel | "Configuring 'cdrom-detect' failed with error code 1" |
| 20:11.26 | chiel | nope :/ |
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| 20:11.44 | f8l | chiel: Can you identify your USB stick in /dev/? |
| 20:11.45 | i4c | is there any way to recover packages from a fresh install, either through a list or script or recovery of initial packages recovery disc ? or something |
| 20:12.10 | chiel | f8l: should i just use the first shell when i type alt + right key or something? |
| 20:12.18 | f8l | chiel: `fdisk -l` (lowercase L, not a digit one) may be useful. |
| 20:13.08 | chiel | hmm "DEBUG: resolver (libc6-udeb): package doesn't exist (ignored)" |
| 20:13.11 | chiel | if that means anything |
| 20:13.16 | f8l | chiel: Press Alt+Left × 3 to get to the first one. |
| 20:13.52 | chiel | "/bin/sh: fdisk: not found" |
| 20:13.53 | chiel | :/ |
| 20:14.24 | f8l | chiel: Does `which parted` say anything? |
| 20:14.41 | chiel | "which: not found" |
| 20:14.45 | chiel | fuck, this shit is driving me insane |
| 20:15.00 | chiel | should i try a squeeze netinstall, and then simply try upgrading or so? |
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| 20:15.06 | f8l | chiel: OK, try `parted -l` |
| 20:15.20 | chiel | parted: not found |
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| 20:15.24 | spacepluk | chiel: echo $PATH |
| 20:16.01 | f8l | spacepluk: Good catch. |
| 20:16.13 | spacepluk | :) |
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| 20:16.47 | chiel | :/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin |
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| 20:17.00 | chiel | without the first :, sorry :p |
| 20:17.44 | f8l | chiel: Well, these are the components to be read from the CD. ;-P |
| 20:17.55 | f8l | chiel: I mean parted and stuff. |
| 20:18.04 | chiel | right :) |
| 20:18.11 | chiel | would you know the full path? |
| 20:18.32 | f8l | chiel: Can you identify your stick in /dev/ without the help of parted and fdisk? |
| 20:18.46 | tcope | what flavor of SQL is defaulted at install time ? |
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| 20:19.34 | chiel | f8l: don't think so, there's so much stuff there.. :/ |
| 20:19.40 | f8l | chiel: `ls /dev/sd*` should give you some starting point. |
| 20:19.41 | chiel | is upgrading from squeeze to wheezy easy? |
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| 20:20.23 | chiel | there's sda, sda1, sda2, sdb, sdb1, sdb2, sdc, sdd, sde, sdf |
| 20:20.24 | f8l | chiel: Should be as easy as reading the release notes and apt-get dist-upgrade, but you may encounter the same problem. |
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| 20:21.03 | chiel | cause it just feels like this is not gonna work |
| 20:21.16 | tcope | hats off to the devs .. is has to be the nicest raid setup at install time I have ever seen . TYTY |
| 20:21.27 | f8l | chiel: So it is probably sda or sdb. One of them is your hard drive, and the other is a USB stick. |
| 20:21.41 | f8l | chiel: I don't know why are there two partitions… |
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| 20:22.57 | chiel | f8l: i'm gonna try getting a squeeze netinstall going, just to see if it makes a difference |
| 20:23.04 | chiel | i've *literally* been doing this the entire day |
| 20:23.19 | chiel | who would've thought it'd be so fucking hard to get debian installed... :/ |
| 20:23.25 | f8l | chiel: Try to mount sdb1, sdb2, sda1, sda2 and look at the files inside. If one of these looks like an installation CD, mount it in /cdrom. |
| 20:23.38 | chiel | the whole point of a netinstall is that i don't need a bloody cdrom |
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| 20:23.42 | chiel | hmm |
| 20:23.48 | jil | How can I autodetect my keyboard layout? |
| 20:23.57 | f8l | chiel: I have to admit you are very, very patient. |
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| 20:24.30 | doomster | hi! |
| 20:25.08 | chiel | f8l: i just really want debian to work :p |
| 20:25.13 | chiel | i use it on my servers, and it works a charm |
| 20:25.28 | f8l | chiel: No wonder. It's a great OS. ;-) |
| 20:25.29 | chiel | never used it on desktop, but this is for my home theater pc, just as a test |
| 20:25.45 | f8l | doomster: Hello. |
| 20:25.46 | chiel | but it feels like i am slowly, but surely, going insane |
| 20:26.03 | tcope | xbmc ? |
| 20:26.24 | f8l | chiel: Maybe you should wait for another point release… Fixes may be underway. |
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| 20:26.31 | chiel | tcope: probably |
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| 20:26.40 | chiel | f8l: yea, can just try squeeze for now |
| 20:26.43 | chiel | if i can find it... |
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| 20:27.05 | chiel | where can i find older releases on the debian website? |
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| 20:28.15 | tcope | finding older releases of most software i find a mirror then up directory then select the version from there |
| 20:28.16 | Zenol | Hi, I have a problem upgrading from squeezy to wheezy (because I need a more recent g++ than 4.4). Libc6 dependency, and a strange error message. |
| 20:28.19 | elkingrey | I'm thinking about switching to Debian and not installing ANY non-free software, but I'm worried that my hardware won't support it. Is there a way I can do some sort of checklist and make sure that everything will "work" properly if I make the switch? |
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| 20:28.57 | f8l | chiel: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:29.06 | chiel | ah, ta |
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| 20:29.35 | Zenol | Here is a pastbin of the error http://pastebin.com/csZTG7rM |
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| 20:30.23 | Zenol | Oh god, forgive it, i'm stupide, I know why it's not working. |
| 20:30.38 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: graphics (nvidia/ati) and wireless, are often the big non-free requirements. i run no non-free on most of my boxes. |
| 20:30.51 | f8l | Zenol: Wrong kernel? Forgot to reboot? |
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| 20:32.20 | chiel | i think i will try the live install one more time, since i still have it, maybe i did something wrong while writing it to the drive. i imagine i can just `cat` that one onto the drive as well? |
| 20:33.13 | Zenol | f81> Although the package of the good kernel is installed, it's the wrong one booted. |
| 20:33.25 | Zenol | f81> I'v just figured it right now. |
| 20:33.33 | elkingrey | zykotick9: No need for wireless requirements for me, but I do have an nvidia graphics card. How can I see if it's compatible? |
| 20:34.19 | f8l | chiel: I usually run `dd if=/path/to/the/image of=/dev/sdX` where sdX is your pendrive. (BE CAREFUL NOT TO OVERWRITE YOUR HDD!) |
| 20:34.21 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: wheezy has MUCH improved nouveau drivers :) but, it's still no where near propritary performance (hope you aren't a gamer). |
| 20:34.31 | chiel | f8l: yea, but i'm on os x :( |
| 20:34.52 | f8l | Zenol: It's f8l, not f81. ;-) |
| 20:35.09 | f8l | chiel: No dd on OS X? Meh… |
| 20:35.10 | elkingrey | zykotick9: I'm not a gamer at all, but I like to watch movies, stream video, watch youtube, and mutlitask like crazy. You think it's possible? |
| 20:35.10 | chiel | tab completion ftw. |
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| 20:35.24 | CybDev | r/win 28 |
| 20:35.29 | chiel | f8l: oh, it does have dd. |
| 20:35.55 | elkingrey | zykotick9: Also, what do you mean by "nouveau" drivers. I've never heard that expression before. |
| 20:36.05 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: since December i haven't been running any contrib/non-free and i watched youtube, multitasked, etc. it should work, good luck. Freedom FTW ;) |
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| 20:36.24 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: nouveau is the free (as in FAIF) nvidia drivers |
| 20:36.42 | elkingrey | oh, cool |
| 20:37.21 | elkingrey | zykotick9: Will I need to seek them out, or does Debian know to install them for me? |
| 20:37.33 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: under squeeze i never got novueau with 3d working, with wheezy it was OOTB on both my nvidia cards :) |
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| 20:38.19 | elkingrey | zykotick9: Okay, thanks for the help! |
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| 20:39.11 | benedikt | I'm having trouble getting firefox (iceweasel 10 in wheezy and firefox nightly) to play audio from html5 videos. The one I've tried so far (off youtube) are all webm/vorbis encoded. Video plays fine, no sound. |
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| 20:39.22 | chiel | f8l: thanks for all the help so far btw. :) |
| 20:39.33 | chiel | if i could give you a cookie, i would |
| 20:39.38 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: fyi, youtube with both gnash and/or html5 doesn't play all - i'd even say "most" videos :( |
| 20:40.03 | benedikt | It does not show up in "pavucontrol" |
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| 20:40.26 | f8l | chiel: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 20:40.31 | elkingrey | zykotick9: Dang, I thought trisquel had something that nipped that problem in the bud. |
| 20:40.55 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: i doubt it, but i haven't run trisquel in a while? |
| 20:41.11 | elkingrey | *sigh* |
| 20:41.36 | chiel | f8l: oh cool, if this fails that will be my next attempt. :) |
| 20:42.09 | chiel | ahhh yiiiis, just booted into debian live cd |
| 20:42.10 | elkingrey | Is there some sort of free youtube alternative I can check out/ promote? |
| 20:42.13 | chiel | so... it's a start |
| 20:42.31 | f8l | chiel: The desktop? |
| 20:42.34 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: if you find one, let me know ;) |
| 20:42.51 | chiel | f8l: yea, i wanted to try the live install on the usb drive again |
| 20:42.53 | chiel | it's working now |
| 20:42.57 | chiel | booting as we speak |
| 20:43.30 | f8l | chiel: Maybe the other image was not hybrid. Installation from this one may work better… |
| 20:43.38 | stojic | A relatively workable alternative to flash is to use a youtube video downloader such as youtube-dl. |
| 20:43.57 | elkingrey | zykotick9: Which browser are you using? |
| 20:44.07 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: iceweasel mainly |
| 20:44.14 | chiel | f8l: hmm perhaps, is the installation essentially the same, from live cd or netinstall? |
| 20:44.43 | f8l | chiel: I don't know. I never used Debian Live CDs. |
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| 20:45.12 | chiel | fair enough |
| 20:45.16 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: like the FSF i don't use chromium (FSF considers it non-free, Debian considers it free, I consider it supporting google/chrome myself) |
| 20:45.19 | chiel | it's telling me to find the GPARTED program |
| 20:45.28 | f8l | chiel: I use Finnix as my live USB stick. It's Debian-based, so I feel comfortable with it. |
| 20:45.32 | chiel | so that i can reformat the drive |
| 20:45.58 | elkingrey | I use FF right now, but people at trisquel are saying it's non-free |
| 20:45.58 | chiel | do you know where i might find it? |
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| 20:46.19 | f8l | chiel: Can't you just launch it from the terminal? |
| 20:46.23 | chiel | hmm, could just use the disk utility i guess |
| 20:46.28 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: iceweasel is debian's free version of firefox. checkout mozilla.debian.net for update versions. |
| 20:46.42 | f8l | chiel: It may be the same program… |
| 20:46.49 | chiel | perhaps yea |
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| 20:47.52 | chiel | cause this guide says i should convert from GPT to MBR |
| 20:48.28 | f8l | chiel: This will purge info about partitions, so you should backup any valuable data beforehand. |
| 20:48.51 | chiel | f8l: yea, already done :) |
| 20:48.56 | chiel | all the valuable data is on my NAS |
| 20:49.03 | Zenol | Hum, how can I know wich bootloader is used, only from ssh? :/ |
| 20:49.04 | chiel | MBR stands for master boot record, i guess? |
| 20:49.26 | f8l | chiel: I think so. |
| 20:49.30 | tcope | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.31 | tcope | yes |
| 20:49.34 | chiel | cool beans |
| 20:49.36 | chiel | formatted now |
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| 20:50.14 | chiel | where can i see the actual version of debian i am using? :p |
| 20:50.29 | zykotick9 | chiel: "lsb_release -a" is one method |
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| 20:50.59 | chiel | this is a gnome thing though, it seems |
| 20:51.04 | chiel | GNOME 3.4.2 |
| 20:51.41 | ompaul | chiel: debian sits close to the metal and gnome on top |
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| 20:52.18 | chiel | ompaul: ah, fair enough |
| 20:52.34 | wdonkey | hey ! |
| 20:52.36 | chiel | i don't think i really need it, since i will just install xbmc, sabnzbd etc and be done with it :p |
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| 20:52.43 | chiel | i would like to be able to ssh into the box though |
| 20:53.03 | ompaul | chiel: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 20:53.09 | wdonkey | how do you uncheck the repos on a fresh install, i get prompted to insert my drive instead of dloading apps from the intarwebs |
| 20:53.13 | chiel | ompaul: yea, gotta install debian first haha |
| 20:53.23 | chiel | that was on the live cd, couldn't get netinstall to work previously. |
| 20:53.28 | somiaj | wdonkey: modify your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:53.36 | somiaj | wdonkey: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:53.44 | zykotick9 | wdonkey: remove the cd entry (by commenting it out #) in /etc/apt/sources.list as somiaj just said ;) |
| 20:54.27 | wdonkey | will do, thanks ! anyone have a clue why it wont work in the graphical interface ? its pretty pointless to have it there if it wont work |
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| 20:56.14 | f8l | wdonkey: Any details? |
| 20:56.21 | chiel | right, gonna do one last test |
| 20:56.32 | chiel | to `dd` the netinstall onto the disk |
| 20:56.35 | chiel | and then try one last time |
| 20:56.48 | wdonkey | f8l: just cant uncheck it. went and put meself on the sudoers list, didnt change a thing |
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| 20:57.00 | f8l | chiel: To the disk? Not into the USB stick? |
| 20:57.26 | chiel | f8l: onto the usb drive, sorry :) |
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| 20:58.35 | f8l | wdonkey: What graphical interface? Did you run it with sudo? |
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| 21:00.13 | chiel | ok so.. something definitely changed now |
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| 21:00.36 | chiel | when i let it boot through the UEFI thing into the installation menu, and select install..... now the screen just goes black, haha |
| 21:00.45 | chiel | not entirely sure if it's an improvement :p |
| 21:00.58 | chiel | wondering if i should just wait |
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| 21:01.07 | wdonkey | f8l : in the gpk-app, software list. i got prompted for the sudo passwd but even after i was not able to uncheck the first box, the one for the CD. i was able to uncheck the others tho |
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| 21:01.56 | f8l | wdonkey: I'm not familiar with gpk-app. Sorry. It may be a bug. |
| 21:02.00 | zykotick9 | wdonkey: i'd suggest learning how to edit the real file /etc/apt/sources.list in the long run - will probably be easier |
| 21:02.49 | wdonkey | yup, zykotick9 i dont mind trying that |
| 21:03.03 | f8l | wdonkey: zykotick9 is right. It's much more universal method. It's hard to mess it up. |
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| 21:03.42 | chiel | hmm, nope, netinstall still buggy |
| 21:05.24 | f8l | chiel: You already tried to install from debian-live, didn't you? |
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| 21:05.45 | wdonkey | anything you guys would fix first on a fresh install ? |
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| 21:05.54 | chiel | f8l: nah, just wanted to see if i could get the netinstall working |
| 21:06.57 | f8l | chiel: I guess it was just the curiosity… I see no point in using netinstall when you have a more complete CD handy. ;-) Plus it's hybrid. |
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| 21:07.20 | chiel | f8l: yea i know, it was indeed curiosity like you said, wanted to see if i could get it working :p |
| 21:07.26 | chiel | it's the programmer in me |
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| 21:07.43 | wdonkey | something i still dont get is the why of the 2nd and 3rd dvd img on the debians download page |
| 21:07.48 | wdonkey | whats on these ? |
| 21:07.53 | wdonkey | pandore's box ? |
| 21:08.06 | f8l | wdonkey: Packages of lesser popularity. |
| 21:08.58 | zykotick9 | wdonkey: don't bother with dvd 2+ if you have a network connection, waste of bandwidth. |
| 21:09.03 | f8l | wdonkey: If you have a stable Internet connection, you can just ignore them. |
| 21:09.24 | wdonkey | the tip comes a week late |
| 21:09.38 | zykotick9 | wdonkey: historically, the dvd sets where for a desert island install, with the full repo - now you'd need to use jigdo before getting on the boat ;) |
| 21:10.04 | wdonkey | thats my kind of distro |
| 21:10.23 | chiel | right, netinstall definitely not working |
| 21:10.30 | chiel | time to try installing from the live cd :p |
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| 21:11.05 | zykotick9 | chiel: is this apple hardware? |
| 21:11.24 | f8l | chiel: Definitely. It's almost night here. I guess it's alike in your whereabouts. ;-) |
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| 21:11.37 | chiel | zykotick9: nah, it's an e-450 chipset (amd) |
| 21:11.43 | chiel | i am just on os x on my laptop. |
| 21:11.58 | chiel | something to do with the UEFI boot or something on the netinstall |
| 21:12.02 | chiel | f8l: it's 11.11 here |
| 21:12.04 | chiel | 23.11 * |
| 21:12.18 | zykotick9 | chiel: fyi, wheezy support UEFI but NOT secure boot. best of luck. |
| 21:12.53 | f8l | chiel: Same here. |
| 21:12.57 | chiel | zykotick9: tell me about it, been at it the entire day. UEFI fails, and when i try to boot the non-UEFI part of the drive the installer works somewhat, but it tries to find a cdrom... super annoying |
| 21:13.37 | zykotick9 | chiel: i assume you don't have an optical drive? |
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| 21:14.17 | chiel | zykotick9: you assume correct :) |
| 21:14.18 | chiel | FUCK |
| 21:14.19 | chiel | SHIT |
| 21:14.20 | chiel | NO |
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| 21:14.34 | chiel | ups |
| 21:14.35 | chiel | anyway |
| 21:14.45 | chiel | the live cd also complains about no cd-rom being found |
| 21:15.12 | chiel | goddammit... what should i do now? :s |
| 21:15.39 | f8l | chiel: So… can we resume our Quest for Mounting a USB Stick? |
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| 21:15.41 | chiel | zykotick9: do you have any advice? |
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| 21:15.46 | chiel | f8l: hah |
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| 21:16.01 | chiel | f8l: i was *so* hoping to avoid that... |
| 21:16.08 | 6JTAAMGTI | ok i found the root of the problem http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=108691&sid=0ec987a9ed75de5afbef99657a5a4793 |
| 21:16.28 | 6JTAAMGTI | but i cannot detect my sound card anymore on sound, but i can on mixer |
| 21:18.18 | chiel | zykotick9: but yea, the reason i wanted to use the netinstall in the first place is cause i don't have an optical drive |
| 21:18.41 | f8l | chiel: Yes, I also prefer when something works out-of-the-box, but I like to experiment if it doesn't. Tell me when you're ready. ;-) If you want to give it a shot today of course. |
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| 21:19.17 | chiel | f8l: the live cd also has a "hardware detection tool" |
| 21:19.22 | chiel | i wonder if it will do anything useful. |
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| 21:20.33 | f8l | chiel: Doesn't look harmful. It may be worth to try it. I don't know what it does though. I installed Sarge on my Laptop and upgrade it since then. ;-) |
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| 21:20.54 | chiel | hmm, it just allows me to see all the hardware in my machine, not too much specoal |
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| 21:21.15 | f8l | chiel: Does it list a CD-ROM? :-P |
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| 21:21.56 | chiel | f8l: you joker :p |
| 21:21.58 | f8l | chiel: Anyway, let me know when you get to the „mount failed” point. |
| 21:22.10 | chiel | yea, am there |
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| 21:22.18 | chiel | can't i like |
| 21:22.23 | chiel | go into the live debian thing |
| 21:22.25 | chiel | and install from there |
| 21:22.27 | chiel | or something? |
| 21:22.36 | chiel | cause i can navigate to the drive from there |
| 21:22.50 | f8l | chiel: There is a debootstrap thingie… |
| 21:22.57 | chiel | f8l: what's that do? |
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| 21:23.16 | zykotick9 | f8l: i doubt chiel is getting "mount failed" but instead a "cd not detected" error. common with unetbootin. |
| 21:23.19 | f8l | chiel: It sets the installer up on the hard drive IIRC. |
| 21:23.30 | chiel | zykotick9: didn't use unetbootin this time |
| 21:23.42 | chiel | zykotick9: i used dd to copy this stuff onto the drive |
| 21:23.52 | f8l | chiel: Or even installs Debian off-line. |
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| 21:24.33 | chiel | zykotick9: the precise error i get is "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" |
| 21:24.45 | chiel | then it asks me "Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media" |
| 21:24.46 | nyuszika7h | how can I prevent my users from OOMing the server by running `cat /dev/urandom`? |
| 21:25.00 | chiel | to which i say no, cause i don't have an optical drive |
| 21:25.16 | chiel | then it says "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" |
| 21:25.26 | chiel | "Manually select a CD-ROM module and device?" |
| 21:25.36 | chiel | do i want to do that? |
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| 21:26.17 | chiel | hmm.. then it gives me the option to give a device file for the cdrom |
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| 21:26.19 | nyuszika7h | yea, telling them would be the best, but there are always people who are like "let's try what this does", and when I blame them, they are like "oh really? I didn't know you can OOM a server with cat /dev/urandom" |
| 21:26.21 | f8l | chiel: Hmm… You don't have much to lose. It may let you pick the USB stick. |
| 21:26.26 | chiel | so i can just enter a path |
| 21:26.31 | elkingrey | zykotick9: I downloaded Debian, but can't find the md5sum page to verify the download. |
| 21:26.35 | chiel | default is /dev/cdrom |
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| 21:27.11 | f8l | nyuszika7h: Search under "setting shell limits" or "ulimit". |
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| 21:27.25 | chiel | f8l: so i guess i just need to find the path to this stuff, then.. |
| 21:27.34 | nyuszika7h | which one should I limit? rss? as? |
| 21:27.42 | f8l | elkingrey: The md5sum file should be in the same directory. |
| 21:27.55 | elkingrey | ? |
| 21:28.05 | elkingrey | f8l: Can you give me a link? |
| 21:28.06 | f8l | chiel: Yes. |
| 21:28.07 | chiel | "The automatic detection didn't find a CD-ROM drive. You can try to load a specific module if you have an unusual CD-ROM drive (that is neither IDE nor SCSI)." |
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| 21:28.22 | chiel | "Module needed for accessing the CD-ROM:" |
| 21:28.24 | f8l | elkingrey: It depends where did you download your image from. |
| 21:28.27 | chiel | "none" or "cdrom" |
| 21:28.44 | f8l | chiel: I'd chose none. |
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| 21:29.15 | elkingrey | f8l: Bittorrent |
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| 21:29.34 | chiel | f8l: yea, then it allows me to enter a path |
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| 21:29.52 | chiel | and it says i can use the terminal to find the correct device by using `ls /dev`... but there's a lof of devices there :p |
| 21:30.03 | f8l | elkingrey: I was wrong, sorry. MD5 sums are in -iso directories. |
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| 21:30.11 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: if you used bittorrent, md5 shouldn't be an issue. torrents have built in checksums. |
| 21:30.21 | elkingrey | http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 21:30.29 | elkingrey | Still, would be nice to do one on my own. |
| 21:30.32 | chiel | so the question then is... how do i find the cdrom? :/ |
| 21:30.40 | f8l | chiel: Do you remember what we did earlier? ls /dev/sd* |
| 21:30.47 | chiel | yes |
| 21:31.18 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: honestly, i'd suggest using install media instead of live images. best of luck (i've personally had issues installing from the live media - i'm not even sure the live-stuff is "official") |
| 21:31.35 | chiel | so there's... sda, sdb, sdb1, sdc, sdd, sde, sdf |
| 21:31.42 | chiel | f8l: ^ |
| 21:31.58 | f8l | elkingrey: The link is on the page you linked. |
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| 21:32.35 | f8l | elkingrey: On the right. The one that does not say „via BitTorrent”. |
| 21:32.56 | f8l | chiel: Try /dev/sdb |
| 21:33.01 | chiel | so i guess it's probably sdb1, since it's the only one that has a partition? |
| 21:33.12 | chiel | f8l: do i have to mount it, or? |
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| 21:33.46 | f8l | chiel: first try to pick it when the installer asks. If that fails, we'll mount it and skip that step. |
| 21:34.07 | chiel | OMG YES |
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| 21:34.12 | chiel | it's... doing stuff |
| 21:34.13 | f8l | chiel: I wonder which one of these is your hard drive then… |
| 21:34.21 | chiel | f8l: no idea |
| 21:34.27 | f8l | chiel: Probably scanning the „CD”. |
| 21:34.29 | chiel | f8l: i know i said this before today but |
| 21:34.31 | chiel | i love you |
| 21:34.31 | chiel | :D |
| 21:34.56 | f8l | chiel: If you did, you didn't said it to me or I just didn't hear. ;-) |
| 21:35.08 | chiel | haha |
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| 21:35.24 | chiel | "Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate." |
| 21:35.41 | f8l | chiel: You said it to alfplayer. ;-) |
| 21:35.59 | chiel | "The missing firmware files are: rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw" |
| 21:36.04 | chiel | f8l: aha ^^ |
| 21:36.17 | chiel | could that be for the graphics chip, or something? |
| 21:36.27 | f8l | chiel: Is this your Ethernet card? |
| 21:36.37 | chiel | i have no idea honestly |
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| 21:36.55 | chiel | i'll just try not loading it |
| 21:36.56 | petn-randall | chiel: install firmware-realtek |
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| 21:37.21 | f8l | petn-randall: He's installing the system. He doesn't have APT yet. |
| 21:37.29 | chiel | yea :p |
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| 21:37.37 | petn-randall | reads backlog |
| 21:37.38 | chiel | f8l: my network (eth0) works |
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| 21:38.04 | f8l | chiel: Maybe the firmware is not essential. |
| 21:38.10 | chiel | yea, guessing so |
| 21:38.14 | chiel | i just skipped |
| 21:38.27 | petn-randall | chiel: Those cards should work fine without firmware, as f8l said. |
| 21:38.49 | elkingrey | zykotick9: I don't have any cd/dvd drive. Can I still do a network install? Is that the choice you'd recommend? |
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| 21:39.10 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: i use netinst with a usb myself... YMMV |
| 21:39.26 | f8l | elkingrey: Ask chiel. ;-P |
| 21:39.30 | chiel | haha |
| 21:39.32 | chiel | :p |
| 21:39.38 | elkingrey | What? |
| 21:39.49 | chiel | i bet i would get a netinstall working now, now that we found out how to mount the cdrom :p |
| 21:39.52 | chiel | hm |
| 21:39.59 | chiel | what partitioning method would you guys recommend? |
| 21:40.12 | chiel | just entire disk or something, or? |
| 21:40.19 | petn-randall | chiel: Depends on what the install is for. |
| 21:40.43 | chiel | petn-randall: home theater pc, will do downloading as well and then move it to the NAS |
| 21:41.03 | chiel | i will probably install xbmc again, with sabnzbd |
| 21:41.21 | chiel | i think i will just use a single partition |
| 21:41.46 | chiel | f8l: (sda was my ssd, apparently) |
| 21:42.10 | petn-randall | chiel: I'd personally use LVM, then have / and /var on different partitions. |
| 21:42.25 | f8l | chiel: Hey right. It didn't have any partitions, because you've changed the partition table. |
| 21:42.32 | petn-randall | chiel: or / and /home, depending on where all the "big" data files will end up on. |
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| 21:42.38 | chiel | f8l: yea, i nuked it |
| 21:42.43 | chiel | petn-randall: hmm ok, fair enough, thanks :) |
| 21:42.45 | chiel | what's LVM? |
| 21:42.56 | chiel | fyi, the ssd is only 80gb |
| 21:43.05 | chiel | since the data gets downloaded and then instantly moved to the NAS |
| 21:43.09 | f8l | dpkg: tell chiel about lvm |
| 21:43.11 | petn-randall | chiel: Logical Volume Manger |
| 21:43.28 | chiel | ah, is that elastic, or so? |
| 21:43.32 | chiel | so that it "scales" |
| 21:43.36 | f8l | chiel: Yes. |
| 21:43.40 | petn-randall | chiel: Can't you mount the NAS over NFS? |
| 21:43.41 | chiel | sounds neat |
| 21:43.55 | chiel | petn-randall: i have no idea yet. this machine previously had windows installed on it |
| 21:44.24 | chiel | i am very new to using debian on a desktop-type env |
| 21:44.34 | chiel | i've only used it on servers before, solely on the command line |
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| 21:45.36 | f8l | chiel: Quite a big SSD. My HDD is only twice bigger. ;-) Anyway, I guess everything will go well now. I'm going to prepare to go to sleep. GRUB installation may fail though, so I'll wait. |
| 21:45.43 | petn-randall | chiel: I see. Check the manual of the NAS if it supports NFS. Chances are it does, then you just network mount the NAS on your machine. |
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| 21:47.17 | wdonkey | reading the documentation too late (ie after installing) i see that i should have chosen my desktop environement in some advanced options during the installation. whats best to do if i want to run KDE and have installed gnome ? format my filesystem and re-install or just download KDE ?? |
| 21:47.17 | chiel | petn-randall: yea, i assumed i would just be able to mount it somehow :) |
| 21:47.19 | f8l | I've made a sort-of-NAS by attaching a 2,5T external drive to a Raspberry Pi. I use it via NDB, since I'm the only user. |
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| 21:47.53 | chiel | "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed" |
| 21:47.55 | f8l | wdonkey: Just download. `apt-get install kde gnome` should do the trick. |
| 21:47.59 | chiel | but that's finr, no? |
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| 21:48.05 | chiel | fine* |
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| 21:48.14 | chiel | i mean, i could just install from the internet from now on... |
| 21:48.32 | wdonkey | f8l, is it heavy ? my d/l speed aint great |
| 21:48.32 | f8l | chiel: More packages will be downloaded instead of read from the CD, but yes, it doesn't hurt that much. |
| 21:48.40 | chiel | excellent |
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| 21:48.47 | f8l | wdonkey: It is. |
| 21:49.17 | rweitz | hello. i am using debian with openbox installed. my network manager applet says "Wireless disabled". What do i do to turn it on? |
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| 21:50.16 | f8l | wdonkey: If you want lighter DEs, you may want to try XFCE, LXDE, Enlightenment or whatever. I don't use a DE at all for example. I just have i3 as a window manager. |
| 21:50.33 | chiel | petn-randall: http://www.synology.com/support/tutorials_show.php?lang=enu&q_id=566 seems it does indeed support NFS |
| 21:51.32 | wdonkey | f8l not that i want absolutely lighter, im just borred of gnome |
| 21:51.49 | SeptimusSeptum | What is the difference between installing kde-full and kde-standard |
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| 21:52.39 | petn-randall | f8l: KDE is quite heavy, just as Gnome. If you want to check out a DE that doesn't have a steep learning curve, I'd try Xfce or LXDE. |
| 21:53.00 | petn-randall | SeptimusSeptum: Probably dependencies. I bet the descriptions also explain it. |
| 21:53.06 | f8l | wdonkey: XFCE was my stop in the middle of my journey from GNOME to no DM at all. It was good. |
| 21:53.11 | kaylee | Hello, I am trying to figure out a way to download some packages from the backtrack repository from a gentoo operating system, how would I do this? |
| 21:53.22 | chiel | can gnome just be deinstalled? |
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| 21:53.42 | petn-randall | kaylee: How is this related to Debian? |
| 21:53.48 | wdonkey | ill follow your lead then F8l, what should i type ? apt-get install xfce ?? |
| 21:53.53 | f8l | dpkg: tell kaylee about based on debian |
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| 21:53.56 | petn-randall | chiel: sure, 'apt-get remove gnome' |
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| 21:54.35 | kaylee | petn-randall: because the package manager is exactly related to debian. They are basically the same in that regard. How do I access a debian repository from a non-debian based linux os?? |
| 21:54.36 | f8l | wdonkey: If you want XFCE, yes. |
| 21:54.59 | petn-randall | kaylee: With a web browser? |
| 21:55.13 | chiel | fair enough, thought so :) |
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| 21:55.26 | chiel | so what's the difference between gnome/kde/xfce etc? |
| 21:55.27 | f8l | kaylee: Backtrack is not Debian. |
| 21:55.32 | kaylee | petn-randall: I typed the address from the sources.list file into my webbrosser but it seems to be some sort of an svn checkout or something, because it just displays a banner and no list of files to download |
| 21:55.37 | chiel | i basically want my OS to take up the least space possible |
| 21:55.40 | f8l | c |
| 21:55.56 | f8l | chiel: Too long to explain. It's best to try them out. |
| 21:56.07 | chiel | what if you install none of those |
| 21:56.08 | rweitz | kaylee: go the directory called "pool" |
| 21:56.09 | petn-randall | kaylee: This is still completely unrelated to Debian, and we only support Debian in here. |
| 21:56.18 | f8l | chiel: So just install a window manager like me. ;-) |
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| 21:56.42 | wolter | can I build a package from its dev package? |
| 21:56.43 | wdonkey | i'll be right back |
| 21:56.44 | SeptimusSeptum | chiel: each de has a different look and a different suite of default applications. |
| 21:56.44 | chiel | f8l: yea, if my OS took up almost no space i'd be the happiest man alive :p |
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| 21:57.03 | chiel | i want nothing except the absolute essentials on there |
| 21:57.07 | chiel | SeptimusSeptum: that makes sense :) |
| 21:57.10 | rweitz | any help for my problem? my network-manager does not show up the wireless networks. it was working fine till yesterday but it says "wireless is disabled" |
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| 21:57.37 | petn-randall | wolter: You can build a package from it's source package. |
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| 21:57.45 | chiel | is gnome the default, btw? |
| 21:57.55 | petn-randall | chiel: There is no default. |
| 21:57.59 | paxcoder | is there a way to find out your quota if "quota" util isn't installed? |
| 21:58.00 | f8l | chiel: For Debian? Yes. |
| 21:58.03 | wolter | petn-randall, does apt provide an interface for that? |
| 21:58.16 | chiel | so if you install nothing... debian is just a terminal, or? |
| 21:58.33 | SeptimusSeptum | chiel: you can have a minimal install, for example for kde you can install kde-plasma-desktop instead of kde-full |
| 21:58.47 | petn-randall | wolter: Yes, you need the deb-src lists in your sources.list, and then you can download the sources and build it. |
| 21:59.00 | chiel | SeptimusSeptum: hmm ok, fair enough. :) |
| 21:59.08 | petn-randall | wolter: I'm sure the Debian Manual has a few chapter about it, check it out. |
| 21:59.12 | chiel | and how does a window manager tie into this? forgive my being a complete noob :D |
| 21:59.14 | f8l | chiel: You don't have to install DEs at all if you are good with the console alone. |
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| 21:59.52 | chiel | f8l: i'm quite comfortable with just the console, but i imagine something like xbmc would need a de? |
| 22:00.13 | f8l | chiel: No. It needs X server, but DE is not needed. |
| 22:00.15 | paxcoder | umm peeps? quota? |
| 22:00.21 | petn-randall | chiel: I think xmbc is on top of X11, nothing more. |
| 22:00.25 | chiel | aha :) |
| 22:00.28 | f8l | chiel: DEs provide more or less complete set of tools all more or less integrated. |
| 22:00.33 | chiel | as you can tell, i know nothing :p |
| 22:00.44 | petn-randall | paxcoder: Why can't you install it? |
| 22:00.47 | chiel | f8l: thanks so much for all your help, wouldn't have figured it all out without you |
| 22:00.58 | paxcoder | petn-randall, not my srv. |
| 22:01.10 | f8l | chiel: A window manager may be a part of a DE or can be used separately. It manages your windows. Have you tried to run pure X? |
| 22:01.21 | paxcoder | petn-randall, also admin's a jerk. |
| 22:01.29 | chiel | i haven't, no.. never used any linux as a desktop env |
| 22:01.35 | chiel | only on server |
| 22:01.51 | chiel | on my laptop i have os x, and my desktop pc has windows, since i primarily use it for gaming |
| 22:02.01 | petn-randall | paxcoder: I don't know of a way, I guess you'll have to make friends with the admin ;) |
| 22:02.16 | paxcoder | petn-randall, yeah, i don't think that'll happen ;-P |
| 22:02.19 | wolter | petn-randall, all right, I think you misunderstood me though |
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| 22:03.01 | petn-randall | wolter: Oh, sorry. Maybe rephrase your question again? |
| 22:03.02 | f8l | chiel: OK. In pure X, if you run a program, it gets shown and stays where it was. You can't do much about it. A window manager though allows you to move the window, change its size, focus other widows… |
| 22:03.13 | chiel | hmm right yea |
| 22:03.19 | chiel | i heard good things about xmonad |
| 22:03.26 | chiel | i always liked the idea of tiling window managers |
| 22:03.37 | chiel | wanted one on os x, but never attempted to set it up |
| 22:03.52 | patter | window managers are old-school, says MS |
| 22:03.58 | f8l | chiel: I use i3. It is a tiling window manager. dwm is also an example of such. |
| 22:04.26 | chiel | patter: but i like oldschool :D |
| 22:04.36 | patter | so do I, its usable :) |
| 22:04.41 | chiel | f8l: hmm ok, some other time we can have some discussions about wm's :p |
| 22:04.42 | wolter | petn-randall, I need libgfortran-4.7 but I only have available libgfortran-4.7-dev; I was wondering if there was an "apt" way of building the latter to get the former |
| 22:04.50 | wolter | thanks for your attention :) |
| 22:05.09 | petn-randall | wolter: No, you can't. |
| 22:05.12 | f8l | chiel: Sure. You know where to find me. ;-) Fortunately we are in almost the same timezone. |
| 22:05.17 | wolter | petn-randall, thanks then! |
| 22:05.18 | chiel | yea :) |
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| 22:06.02 | petn-randall | wolter: The -dev packages are there for programs to compile software against those libraries, they don't contain enough information to make up the library themselves. |
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| 22:07.03 | wolter | correct, thanks again! |
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| 22:07.48 | chiel | petn-randall: so you recommended LV with separate /home dir? |
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| 22:09.33 | gyrboy88 | http://xbrazilbrazilx.blogspot.com/2013/05/brazilian-girls-hot-collection.html |
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| 22:14.26 | f8l | Good night all! o/ |
| 22:15.04 | ^7heo | hey people, I would like to set a /32 on an IP via network/interfaces; but I also would like to set routes for this ip (as if it was a /24) |
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| 22:16.01 | ^7heo | I currently have this config: http://paste.debian.net/5074/ |
| 22:16.13 | ^7heo | but I cannot reach the computer from outside with that config. |
| 22:16.20 | ^7heo | it's running debian 7.0.0 |
| 22:16.25 | ^7heo | any idea what to do? |
| 22:17.02 | petn-randall | chiel: I personally would use LVM, but it needs a little experience to use. If you don't feel adventurous today, just install it the old way and play with it in a VM. :) |
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| 22:19.08 | petn-randall | ^7heo: Please, no obfuscation. And full output of 'ip addr' and 'ip route' would help. |
| 22:19.57 | ^7heo | petn-randall: i don't really understand why the obsfurcation would do any harm. It's simply random numbers, as you can see if I paste the IPs to you in /query if you want. |
| 22:20.40 | DANtheBEASTman | I'm having an issue with `checkinstall`, everytime I try to run it fails with permission denied, even with root access |
| 22:20.40 | ^7heo | also, the problem is that I don't have access to that machine since it's not reachable from outside |
| 22:20.45 | ^7heo | so I cannot give you any more information. |
| 22:21.03 | ^7heo | (i.e. no ip route or ip addr available) |
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| 22:21.30 | petn-randall | ^7heo: It's just that we've had a few occasions that did the substitution wrong and we spent ages finding the bug. But if you're to worried about it, you can still paste the 'ip addr' and 'ip route' info obfuscated. |
| 22:21.38 | petn-randall | *too |
| 22:21.51 | ^7heo | petn-randall: also, I've tried with the option pointopoint <gw IP> but apparently no luck |
| 22:22.22 | ^7heo | petn-randall: I can give you the output w/out obsfurcation in query if you want |
| 22:22.28 | ^7heo | so you can check that it's legit. |
| 22:22.38 | ^7heo | but I will have to get away for some time before |
| 22:22.41 | ^7heo | brb. |
| 22:22.53 | petn-randall | ^7heo: Give it with onto the channel, I might go to bed soon and then someone else can pick up from there. |
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| 22:33.48 | chiel | petn-randall: i installed LVM but just a single partition atm |
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| 22:33.55 | chiel | figure i can always play around with it later then :) |
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| 22:35.37 | petn-randall | chiel: Cool, but you left some room on the PV, right? |
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| 22:36.04 | petn-randall | chiel: "room", as in, unallocated space. |
| 22:36.25 | chiel | petn-randall: i don't think so, i figured since it uses LVM i could readjust later. is that not the case? |
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| 22:36.31 | chiel | if not, i'm not *too* fussed |
| 22:37.04 | petn-randall | chiel: Nah, no real problem. It's just that you can't make filesystems smaller online, no biggie. |
| 22:37.13 | chiel | ahh right |
| 22:37.16 | chiel | fair enough |
| 22:37.26 | petn-randall | chiel: Most filesystems can be enlarged online, though, which is where LVM shines. |
| 22:38.00 | ^7heo | back |
| 22:38.19 | ^7heo | okay so the server does not route to the gw even with pointtopoint gwIP |
| 22:38.23 | chiel | cool, i installed the most minimal debian possible now |
| 22:38.31 | chiel | without any de or even x, it would seem |
| 22:38.37 | chiel | what would be the best next step to take? |
| 22:38.41 | chiel | install x and a wm? |
| 22:38.50 | ^7heo | petn-randall: I have to go to bed too... |
| 22:38.56 | ^7heo | petn-randall: so maybe tomorrow ;) |
| 22:39.13 | chiel | or ehh, update and upgrade first i guess :D |
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| 22:42.41 | Guest24387 | chiel: the x window system next, which is both x and a wm install xterm with that to make it usable |
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| 22:43.53 | chiel | what is the full package name of the x window system? |
| 22:44.11 | ^7heo | xorg-server ? |
| 22:44.17 | ^7heo | or something like this? |
| 22:44.21 | chiel | i have no idea :D |
| 22:44.25 | chiel | that's why i was asking ^^ |
| 22:44.55 | ^7heo | xserver-xorg |
| 22:44.57 | Guest24387 | on arch it is xorg-server and xinit not sure on debian ill check |
| 22:45.08 | chiel | ah k :) |
| 22:45.13 | chiel | if i install xterm it depends on it anyway |
| 22:45.18 | Quix86 | Guys, I'm trying to install debian on a G3 powerbook pismo but as soon as I load from CD my screen goes black. The system seems to keep responding, so I think it's some sort of video error. What do? |
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| 22:46.01 | Guest24387 | Quix86: it could be a hardware error u could video out to another monitor, |
| 22:46.01 | ^7heo | chiel: note that this package is a meta package |
| 22:46.13 | chiel | you mean xterm? |
| 22:46.20 | ^7heo | xserver-xorg |
| 22:46.24 | chiel | ah right |
| 22:46.27 | Quix86 | I tried an external monitor, nothing displayed on it either. |
| 22:46.30 | chiel | what does that entail |
| 22:46.30 | Quix86 | OSX boots fine fwiw |
| 22:46.48 | ^7heo | chiel: apt-cache show xserver-xorg |
| 22:47.14 | aristarchus | why doesn't xvidcap install from apt-get? |
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| 22:47.40 | chiel | ^7heo: ah ok, once i install that, do i restart or something? |
| 22:47.41 | Guest24387 | Quix86: try a different install media, either reburn onto a disc, are you using the right iso for the disc ie a dvd iso ona dvd disc or a cd iso on a cd disc? |
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| 22:48.17 | ^7heo | chiel: normally, you just have to startx |
| 22:48.25 | chiel | hmm ok |
| 22:48.27 | ^7heo | or whatever is used to start x |
| 22:48.31 | ^7heo | it can be init 5 |
| 22:48.32 | chiel | cause like i said, all i have atm is a terminal |
| 22:48.36 | chiel | that is my system xD |
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| 22:48.38 | ^7heo | if your inittab is used for that, etc. |
| 22:48.51 | ^7heo | chiel: I more or less always use terminals. |
| 22:48.57 | chiel | same but |
| 22:49.03 | chiel | this is going to be my home theater pc |
| 22:49.05 | ^7heo | yeah I know |
| 22:49.15 | chiel | i just wanted to start as minimal as possible, and build up from there :D |
| 22:49.26 | ^7heo | every single developer wants to install X to start urxvt (or st in my case) in order to code with web page open |
| 22:49.29 | ^7heo | and transparency. |
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| 22:49.35 | ^7heo | transparency being the most important part. |
| 22:49.46 | chiel | it's a good learning experience, all this |
| 22:49.51 | chiel | so i installed that package now |
| 22:49.52 | ^7heo | yeah |
| 22:49.58 | ^7heo | try lfs then |
| 22:50.02 | ^7heo | at least you will learn a lot |
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| 22:50.11 | chiel | lfs? |
| 22:50.21 | ^7heo | linux from scratch |
| 22:50.28 | chiel | ah right |
| 22:50.36 | chiel | well that's slightly out of the scope today at least :p |
| 22:50.40 | ^7heo | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| 22:50.54 | chiel | so i installed that stuff now, how do i now "boot" into x? |
| 22:50.57 | ^7heo | yeah but that's way more interesting |
| 22:51.05 | chiel | i guess yea |
| 22:51.09 | chiel | but |
| 22:51.17 | ^7heo | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-disable-x-or-gui-on-boot-in-debian.html |
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| 22:51.26 | chiel | ah, thank you |
| 22:51.37 | ^7heo | 10 secs of duckduckgo ;) |
| 22:51.59 | ^7heo | but granted, it's always way funnier to talk with people than to search the web |
| 22:52.12 | chiel | yea :) |
| 22:52.23 | chiel | and often you get some background info etc |
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| 22:53.30 | ^7heo | 188 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 188399ms |
| 22:53.33 | ^7heo | Nice one. |
| 22:54.04 | chiel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:54.21 | ^7heo | well, I'm camping some server to eventually come up... |
| 22:54.44 | ^7heo | and it's not. |
| 22:55.00 | chiel | ^7heo: that article you linked btw just shows how to disable the gui it seems ^^ |
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| 22:55.07 | ^7heo | chiel: I dunno |
| 22:55.16 | ^7heo | ah yeah |
| 22:55.17 | ^7heo | right |
| 22:55.45 | ^7heo | http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-X.html |
| 22:55.48 | ^7heo | Maybe better |
| 22:56.45 | ^7heo | and/or http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html |
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| 22:58.01 | chiel | hmm, the weird thing is that i don't have the startx command available |
| 22:58.30 | ^7heo | even as root? |
| 22:58.40 | chiel | yea, been logged in as root all this time |
| 22:58.47 | ^7heo | find / -name "startx" |
| 22:58.56 | ^7heo | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 22:58.56 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg 3.8-4 ^7heo's private gamp collection |
| 22:59.08 | ^7heo | =/ |
| 22:59.14 | ^7heo | dpkg -L xserver-xorg |
| 22:59.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xorg |
| 22:59.18 | chiel | not found, hehe |
| 22:59.46 | ^7heo | dpkg-reconfigure #debian-op-access-list |
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| 22:59.53 | ^7heo | ah damn, that one does not work. |
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| 23:00.09 | ^7heo | dpkg-reconfigure sharp-debian-op-access-list |
| 23:00.18 | chiel | perhaps i should have installed with a de, haha |
| 23:00.20 | ^7heo | still no... |
| 23:00.53 | ^7heo | is tired of this network routing stuff |
| 23:03.33 | chiel | hehe |
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| 23:15.22 | chiel | ^7heo: seems i need `x-window-system` |
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| 23:15.49 | ^7heo | it might happen that way |
| 23:17.17 | chiel | and then startx works |
| 23:17.26 | chiel | hmm |
| 23:17.34 | chiel | can't actually type anything after that, haha |
| 23:17.37 | chiel | shit |
| 23:17.38 | chiel | :D |
| 23:17.54 | chiel | i can see a prompt, but i cannot type |
| 23:18.33 | chiel | so now i need a window manager, or so? |
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| 23:20.59 | chiel | ^7heo: do you have any idea on how to get out of x again if i can't seem to type? :p |
| 23:21.28 | emss | chiel ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 23:22.00 | emss | if that does not work, and i don't think it will |
| 23:22.20 | chiel | it did not xD |
| 23:22.23 | emss | you can do ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 etc. |
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| 23:22.54 | ^7heo | chiel: ctrl+alt+F1, F2, F3 or F4 ? |
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| 23:23.09 | ^7heo | (normally even up to F6 depending on your tty config) |
| 23:23.30 | cusco | hi |
| 23:23.32 | chiel | hrm |
| 23:23.38 | chiel | doesn't seem to work.. i bet it's my keyboard |
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| 23:23.48 | cusco | can I make pptpd give out ip's based on user connecting? |
| 23:23.49 | chiel | using a stupid apple keyboard cause i didn't have any other one :p |
| 23:24.17 | cusco | chiel: at least you get 2 extra usb ports |
| 23:24.35 | chiel | cusco: haha :p well, only using it to set up, then i will use this dinovo thingy i have |
| 23:24.43 | chiel | since it'll just sit and be connected to the tv |
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| 23:25.49 | chiel | how can i check/change my keymap? |
| 23:25.54 | chiel | some dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:26.17 | el-linedash | Wasn't sure if this was a question best aimed here or in #grub ; but in case anyone's familiar with it anyway... Installed wheezy via usb (have read the errata re grub not installing on correct device) - spotted this after, so used install image to load grub cli and boot manually but grub-install /dev/sda whilst it says its worked fine, does not install grub. Bootinfoscript output at http://paste.debian.net/5083/ |
| 23:26.40 | el-linedash | I just get the flashing cursor of doom on boot and bootscriptinfo says no boot loader |
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| 23:32.58 | wdonkey | el-linedash, im a complete newby, dont be offended, have you tried one of the various grub-repair tools ? |
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| 23:34.01 | el-linedash | the only ones I'm familiar with just invoke grub-install for you in a number of different ways - manually running grub-install <device> should be working |
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| 23:34.52 | wdonkey | sorry then, cant offer much |
| 23:35.35 | ^7heo | good night here. |
| 23:35.40 | ^7heo | good luck chiel |
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| 23:39.26 | ruwen | hi |
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| 23:40.14 | chiel | argh ffs i can't get the correct keyboard for this stupid keyboard.. :/ |
| 23:40.48 | ruwen | since i upgraded to wheezy bootlogd is not working. i already purged bootlogd and reinstalled it. i got a file /etc/default/bootlogd which contains BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes. anyone any idea how to fix it or how to further debug? |
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| 23:49.02 | chiel | i get @ where the " is supposed to be |
| 23:49.05 | chiel | i'm so confused.. -.- |
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| 23:51.29 | _DomY-Dom | Hello, I have owncloud setup on my server and I have the config at owncloud.domain.com and I have made a user and a MySQL database, the setup works but then the display disappears and everything is in times new roman and when I click anything it says "Cloud not available" |
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| 23:53.34 | chiel | anyone here have experience using a thin aluminium apple keyboard with debian? i'm having trouble getting the correct keymap |
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| 23:55.00 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: setxkbmap ;) |
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| 23:59.24 | chiel | _DomY-Dom: this isn't under X though |
| 23:59.30 | chiel | it's just in term as root |