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| 00:10.20 | abrotman | elkingrey: is there an error? |
| 00:11.28 | chiel | urgh wtf.. i keep getting "Fatal server error: no screens found" when trying to start x :/ |
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| 00:22.29 | abrotman | chiel: logs are good |
| 00:23.01 | DNS | wo0t |
| 00:24.44 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:24.54 | chiel | abrotman: i had to reinstall the drivers for my graphics card... very weird since i had installed them previously :s |
| 00:27.01 | chiel | hmm okay, so i can now get x to start automatically with xbmc.. but it won't auto-start yet on login :( |
| 00:27.05 | chiel | sad times |
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| 00:27.56 | abrotman | those aren't logs ? |
| 00:28.48 | chiel | i don't know where to find the logs for this stuff |
| 00:29.30 | DNS | unstable rox! atm gnome3 wtf so fo0kin fast, much faster than wheezy or i am too drunk? |
| 00:29.48 | DNS | @_@ |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | DNS: do you need help? |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | chiel: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:30.07 | DNS | abrotman: yea i need a new beer |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | DNS: try to keep yourself under control |
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| 00:30.22 | DNS | :o |
| 00:30.29 | DNS | i try ok |
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| 00:30.36 | chiel | abrotman: x works now, it's the stuff in that article that's not working, to start x/xbmc on boot |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:31.12 | chiel | it involved me putting a file in /etc/systemd/system, and then adding that file with `systemctl enable xbmc.service` |
| 00:32.00 | chiel | it always jut boots right into tty1 |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | eh .. i doubt systemd is even installed or confiugred? |
| 00:32.55 | DNS | celebrates debian sid |
| 00:32.58 | chiel | i did install it |
| 00:33.18 | chiel | just the systemd package, but i didn't do anything configuration-wise, aside from doing the systemctl call |
| 00:33.42 | chiel | all that did was symlink the file into place |
| 00:33.49 | chiel | (as far as i could tell) |
| 00:35.19 | chiel | if you have any other way to do something like this on boot, i'd be interested in hearing it :) |
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| 00:36.57 | abrotman | !tell chiel about run at startup |
| 00:38.29 | chiel | abrotman: thanks, i'll try that route again |
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| 00:46.11 | chiel | is there any way i can confirm that systemd is actually functioning properly |
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| 00:48.51 | mns | How do I get ANSI graphics to work under urxvt/xterm ? I used to have this working at my last company, but didn't have the configuration copied over. Now I can't get it to work. I've got an almost similar setup X11 + stumpwm + urxvt + terminus font. No GNOME/KDE/LXDE/XFCE/<any other DE>. |
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| 00:50.01 | mns | Previously I was using Wheezy. At the new company it was also with wheezy, but now I'm on jessie for the last week or so. Its annoying when mutt and dpkg-reconfigure do not work properly. |
| 00:51.53 | DNS | 0_o |
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| 00:52.11 | DNS | mns: what exactly does not work |
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| 00:52.48 | abrotman | mns: mutt uses ansi? |
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| 00:54.42 | DNS | throws some free beers in #debian |
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| 00:54.50 | DNS | *cheers |
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| 01:00.14 | mns | DNS: when I'm in the terminal, if I use say dpkg-reconfigure, the dialog boxes are drawn with "a" rather then graphics characters. abrotman, not ANSI, but ANSI graphics characters. |
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| 01:00.38 | DNS | 0_o |
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| 01:01.07 | DNS | this sounds really strange |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | mns: sounds like a locales issue |
| 01:01.46 | themill | or a terminal configuration issue |
| 01:02.34 | themill | mns: what's the output of "locale" and "locale -a" |
| 01:02.50 | Dewi | mns: is this on a local terminal on the machine? |
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| 01:04.32 | mns | Dewi: this is via ssh + screen |
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| 01:04.48 | Dewi | mns: what's the client? |
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| 01:05.29 | themill | mns: so the output of "locale" on both your local machine and the remote machine would be good to see. |
| 01:05.30 | Dewi | mns: if it's non-linux or a linux with a different character encoding it could be the cause |
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| 01:06.21 | mns | themill: locale -a -> C C.UTF-8 POSIX en_US.utf8 |
| 01:06.27 | Bronze | Also check the setting of the TERM environment variable |
| 01:06.29 | themill | please use a pastebin |
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| 01:07.01 | mns | Dewi: the client is also Debian/testing. |
| 01:07.12 | mns | themill: sure hold on. |
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| 01:10.41 | mns | themill: http://pastebin.com/A5TGEN5q |
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| 01:11.45 | kludgy | Hi all. Hoping this is on topic, I'm cross-posting from #crunchbang hoping this might be a general debian package issue: I'm running Crunchbang Waldorf as a guest within virtual box. In trying to get my OpenGL acceleration up to snuff, I noticed that `X -version` reports 1.12. Virtual box wants a minimum version 1.5 (http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html "Hardware Accelerated Graphics). Is this going to fly in Waldorf? If so how? |
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| 01:12.33 | kludgy | I suppose rephrased, the general question is, what sort of problems/solutions are there upgrading X server over such a large range? |
| 01:12.46 | themill | mns: you probably don't want "POSIX" as your locale on the client system. If you want a "neutral" locale, then you could use C.UTF-8, but you probably want en_US.utf8 there too. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | kludgy: this channel is for Debian support, feel free to install Debian and test your theory |
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| 01:14.31 | Dewi | mns: they don't have to match exactly, but the utf8 part is important |
| 01:15.21 | mns | Dewi, themill: let me give that a try and see what happens. |
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| 01:16.54 | kludgy | abrotman: I don't have a theory. I have a debian based OS with an old X server that I'm looking to assess upgrade paths for :) |
| 01:17.08 | abrotman | kludgy: this channel doesn't support crunchbang, this channel supports Debian |
| 01:17.37 | kludgy | OK cheers that answers my question! |
| 01:17.46 | cusco | debian based is not the same as debian |
| 01:17.59 | kludgy | Yup I know |
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| 01:27.21 | gez | Hi |
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| 01:28.04 | gez | What are the plans regarding gnome? Debian will move to 3.6 or skip it and go for 3.8 directly? |
| 01:28.21 | gez | And btw, where can I get updates about that from? |
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| 01:28.44 | gez | I'm following these links: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.6-status.html and http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html |
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| 01:29.14 | abrotman | gez: gnome3.8 is already uploaded i believe |
| 01:29.20 | ac_slater | Hey guys, I migrated my squeeze install to wheezy and the only thing that is not functioning is dnsmasq (specifically the DHCP portion). |
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| 01:30.02 | gez | abrotman: is it? Where? |
| 01:30.06 | ac_slater | The question I have is, (since it havent set it up in a long time) ... when setting the interfaces IP/MASK/BCAST, does that have to be before dnsmasq starts? |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | gez: not for stable |
| 01:30.14 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-shell |
| 01:30.15 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- jessie: 3.4.2-7; wheezy: 3.4.2-7; sid: 3.4.2-7+b1; experimental: 3.8.0.1-2 |
| 01:30.24 | abrotman | ah, still in experimental |
| 01:30.37 | gez | I'm running Testing here and I have SID in another machine :) |
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| 01:31.06 | gez | abrotman: Exactly. And judging by the links I pasted above, it's not complete in experimental either. |
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| 01:31.23 | abrotman | gez: that's quite possible .. they were probably concentrating on wheezy's release, right ? |
| 01:31.27 | gez | So the plan is skipping 3.6 and moving to 3.8 right? |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | why would they package 3.6 now ? |
| 01:31.52 | themill | that's what it looks like, isn't it |
| 01:32.00 | gez | abrotman: Wasn't wheezy already released? |
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| 01:32.14 | abrotman | gez: yes .. like two weeks ago |
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| 01:33.09 | gez | abrotman: themill: Thanks for your answers. |
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| 01:34.20 | gez | Of course it makes sense to move to 3.8, but since I saw several packages alredy in 3.6 in stable it looked like 3.6 was "closer" |
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| 01:34.26 | gez | I mean in experimental, not stable |
| 01:34.33 | mns | themill: I did the dpkg-reconfigure locales, but when I open a new terminal it still shows "POSIX" for "locale" |
| 01:34.39 | gez | Anyway, thanks! :) |
| 01:34.49 | JodaZ | how do i get a nfs version 2 nfs server on wheezy ? |
| 01:35.03 | themill | mns: your terminal is picking up its environment from your existing X session |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | JodaZ: don't think that's possible |
| 01:35.18 | JodaZ | :/ |
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| 01:35.58 | JodaZ | i have always had much better performance with nfsv2 than with higher versions thats why i have been using it so far |
| 01:36.18 | JodaZ | i am mounting only readonly and don't give two shits about security, can i tune nfs4 to my needs ? |
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| 01:42.12 | mns | themill: grrr so I'd have to quit out of my current xsession and then back in ? hmmm |
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| 01:43.05 | themill | mns: you could probably get away with "LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 xterm" (you may need other LC_* too to get it to work) |
| 01:43.13 | Bronze | mns: or set locale explicitly, yourself |
| 01:43.24 | mdel | is there some standard way programs can enable/disable configuration scripts in the conventional conf.d/ directory? |
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| 01:43.44 | abrotman | mdel: in which conf.d directory? |
| 01:44.31 | mdel | abrotman, my question is if there is a standard way, but in particular I'm trying to write a script to add config to /etc/bumblebee |
| 01:44.53 | mdel | /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 01:44.55 | abrotman | mdel: i was asking because apache has some scripts for this |
| 01:45.29 | mdel | that's actually what I was hoping for, something like a2enmod |
| 01:45.35 | mdel | or the like |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | mdel: anyway, not that i'm aware of |
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| 01:47.03 | mdel | im looking at this: https://github.com/Atha/update-conf.d |
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| 01:48.32 | dioz | i can't think of any way around this |
| 01:48.40 | dioz | whenever the machine resets i run the risk of having to reset everything |
| 01:48.52 | dioz | i have about 15 x 10/100 ethernet usb adapters |
| 01:49.00 | dioz | they are virtually identical in every way |
| 01:49.13 | dioz | how do i guarantee they retain the same interface number? |
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| 01:51.05 | mns | themill: ok so now I have matching outputs for "locale" on both client and remote. I do not get any line drawings just "a" with a "^" on top of it when I do "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
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| 01:51.39 | arthefact | hello |
| 01:52.38 | arthefact | is there a way to add a deposit before or during debian install |
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| 01:53.16 | mns | arthefact: deposit ? or are you talking about repository ? |
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| 01:53.24 | arthefact | yes sorry |
| 01:53.34 | arthefact | repository |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | arthefact: you can't do after? |
| 01:54.11 | arthefact | no i need to install mate in same time as the os |
| 01:54.29 | arthefact | i dont want gnome3 or kde or lxde or xfce |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | arthefact: so just don't install a GUI |
| 01:54.51 | mns | arthefact: just do an install that does not use a desktop environment and then add on mate afterward ! |
| 01:55.04 | abrotman | arthefact: or ask #mate how they recommend doing it |
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| 01:55.13 | arthefact | yes but i experience trouble bi installing with multiarch iso |
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| 01:55.43 | arthefact | it install only kde or gnome3 |
| 01:55.48 | asarch | Does anybod know what is the name of the Debian package for the Atheros TL-WN721N USB wireless key? |
| 01:55.56 | arthefact | and dont ask the question if i would |
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| 01:56.10 | asarch | It seems that it is missing the atheros_firmware package |
| 01:56.11 | abrotman | arthefact: ask #mate, or don't install X .. it's not rocket science |
| 01:56.19 | arthefact | ok |
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| 01:56.49 | arthefact | but i hav something like 20 computers to reinstall |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | then i guess you sohuld figure it out quickly |
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| 01:57.16 | arthefact | i kan not serously install all of those in terminal |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:57.30 | arthefact | is a long affaire |
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| 01:57.34 | abrotman | it's really not |
| 01:57.38 | arthefact | and i hav no time |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | arthefact: perhaps Debian isn't the distro for you |
| 01:58.03 | ac_slater | Alright guys, I really need some `dnsmasq` advice. I had a working machine until I updated to wheezy (which update dnsmasq). Now the dhcp clients timeout and `iftop` shows no activity getting to the server. |
| 01:58.13 | arthefact | tomorow morning i should be finishd |
| 01:58.16 | nevyn | arthefact: are they identical? |
| 01:58.49 | arthefact | no different machines some times in 32 bit some times in 64 bit and some of those ares laptops |
| 01:59.14 | Bronze | arthefact: use tools that atuomate the administration of multiple machine on your network, like puppet |
| 01:59.33 | mdel | "learn puppet" is probably not something you have time for though |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | apparently there's no time to do anything |
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| 01:59.55 | arthefact | yes sure |
| 02:00.04 | nevyn | Atlas: install a base system on all of them then use cssh to do the other stuff. |
| 02:00.09 | mdel | fastest way for you, arthefact, is to install the base system, remove Gnome, and install mate |
| 02:00.25 | Bronze | sharpening the axe makes the lumber many times more productivbe than he would be without sharpening the axe. |
| 02:00.28 | mdel | and grab the commands you used and put them in a script |
| 02:00.33 | Bronze | *lumberjack |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | or just use gnome3 |
| 02:01.19 | arthefact | i can't serously use gnome3 |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | arthefact: well, sitting here yapping won't get your problems solved |
| 02:02.05 | arthefact | ok |
| 02:02.07 | mdel | arthefact, what are you even saying |
| 02:02.16 | arthefact | i show for other solutions |
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| 02:02.22 | mdel | ok, show |
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| 02:03.03 | arthefact | probably not on debian it is unfortunate |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | arthefact: good luck! |
| 02:03.12 | arthefact | ok thank you |
| 02:03.14 | arthefact | bye |
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| 02:19.13 | rmsisgod | hi |
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| 02:23.15 | mns | themill, Dewi: Got it working. It was definately locale related. I set LANG=en_US and it works. It also works if I have LANG=POSIX. Setting LANG also sets the LC_* variables accordingly as well. It will not work with en_US.utf8 (seems strange) but does with iso88591 and iso885915. |
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| 02:23.46 | mns | themill, Dewi, and others: thanks for the help. |
| 02:24.52 | Dewi | mns: those single-byte charsets are all quite similar so yes, they will mostly work together. However for true compatibility, and a wider range of capability, you should transition towards utf8 everywhere |
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| 02:25.13 | Dewi | mns: (correction: single-byte charsets are not ALL similar, but the western european ones are) |
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| 02:26.25 | mns | Dewi: That's what I was trying to do, was have utf8 everywhere as much as possible. I guess for line drawings and such, I apparently have to stick to single-byte characters. |
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| 02:27.09 | Dewi | mns: sounds like something somewhere was probably still stuck on not-utf-8 |
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| 02:28.04 | mns | Dewi: yup. screen ? how much different is tmux compared to screen ? maybe I'll give that a go and see how that works. |
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| 02:28.38 | Dewi | mns: tmux is a lot newer, I don't use it but only because I'm stuck in my ways |
| 02:29.32 | Dewi | mns: I'm not sure if you need to restart screen to make it adapt to new charsets... you might need to |
| 02:29.59 | Dewi | I don't think screen has any explicit configuration around that but it may do some detection |
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| 02:33.14 | mns | Dewi: I did restart screen, that's how it worked. I used to call screen with -U (enable UTF8 encoding). I removed that from the CLI options list for screen and changed the LANG to en_US and it works fine. |
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| 02:33.46 | mns | as for tmux vs screen, I'm set in my ways with screen as well. |
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| 02:40.58 | Ori | is there an irc room for newcomers to debian, mentor geared |
| 02:41.02 | Ori | ? |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | Ori: this is it |
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| 02:46.24 | Ori | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:46.29 | abrotman | Ori: so ask away .. |
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| 02:46.58 | Ori | no questions yet, should be installing debian on 1/2 systems in a couple hours though :) |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 03:11.35 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i had issues with the graphics cards and gnome wasn't working; i had tried to find solution and the best solution i could come up was upgrading the kernel to 3.8 which is currently available in sid; after upgrading, i changed the repos back to wheezy for security reasons (i don't know if that's the right thing i did security wise); it's still asking me to upgrade kernel 3.2 but i have 3.8 installed....how do i fix it so it? |
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| 03:17.36 | smw | paranoidphreak, just upgrade kernel 3.2 anyways |
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| 03:18.11 | smw | paranoidphreak, you can have multiple versions of the kernel installed on your system, 3.8 will be the first of the list when you boot which is what counts |
| 03:18.40 | paranoidphreak | smw: ahhhh, thanks |
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| 03:19.44 | smw | paranoidphreak, I am also running wheezy with the 3.8 kernel. I can confirm that the new 3.2 update didn't affect me :-) |
| 03:19.58 | paranoidphreak | smw: security wise, there shouldn't be a problem? |
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| 03:20.26 | smw | paranoidphreak, security wise, you won't be getting updates from the debian security team |
| 03:20.37 | smw | paranoidphreak, (kernel updates that is) |
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| 03:21.18 | paranoidphreak | smw: thanks....i guess i'll check it manually for updates |
| 03:21.21 | smw | paranoidphreak, there is no guarantee that security updates to the kernel will be applied in a timely manor |
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| 03:24.16 | paranoidphreak | smw: gotcha |
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| 03:31.50 | superstraw | so I unwittingly started mplayer in console mode, and it jacked up my display. how can i reset it? |
| 03:32.03 | superstraw | i can still type commands, just can't see anything |
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| 03:32.20 | superstraw | i know it's responding cuz the beep command works. |
| 03:32.51 | superstraw | i'm in the middle of the dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy also... |
| 03:33.20 | superstraw | luckily i started the upgrade in screen, and i'm watching it from my other box. it's still going. |
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| 03:36.47 | caf | superstraw: The "reset" command should reset your terminal |
| 03:37.41 | superstraw | unfortunately it doesn't, i still have the frozen little info from mplayer that it was attempting to use -vo fbdev. |
| 03:38.01 | superstraw | altf1-f7 doesn't change anything either. |
| 03:38.28 | superstraw | /etc/init.d/xdm restart didn't fix either, though i was in the console when i started mplayer |
| 03:39.16 | superstraw | isn't there an alternative option to "reset"... i can't remember if there was one or not. |
| 03:39.20 | superstraw | something more console-ly |
| 03:39.34 | chiel | is there any way to look at the code in a package without actually installing it? |
| 03:40.12 | themill | chiel: source package or binary package? |
| 03:40.41 | chiel | themill: not sure what you mean. basically i want to get the init.d from the sabnzbdplus package without actually installing it |
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| 03:40.47 | chiel | (i've installed it from source) |
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| 03:41.44 | chiel | basically just so i have something to go off of :) |
| 03:41.59 | themill | chiel: aptitude download packagename; you can then extract it with dpkg-deb or browse it with mc |
| 03:42.05 | acu2 | I have ssh access to a remote server, it has gnome installed I want to start vinagre - what is the command to start it ? what is the ssh X something vinagre - so I can set it to accept vnc connection ? |
| 03:42.25 | chiel | themill: thanks, once i am done with it, how would i remove it again? |
| 03:42.41 | themill | chiel: rm packagename.deb |
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| 03:44.22 | chiel | ah, thanks :) |
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| 03:45.40 | acu2 | what is the command ssh -X vinagre user@ip ? |
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| 03:53.04 | acu2 | what is the name of vino ? |
| 03:53.06 | acu2 | !vino |
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| 03:54.59 | acu2 | how can I find the name of an application - I know I can install aptitude install vino, but I do not know how to start it |
| 03:56.47 | themill | acu2: "dpkg -L packagename" and/or "dpkg -L packagename | grep -e bin -e desktop" |
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| 04:27.41 | elkingrey | I'd like to install firefox without having to do a source install, and I want firefox to be able to get auto updated. Is there a repo I can add for that? |
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| 04:30.53 | themill | elkingrey: for which debian release? |
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| 04:32.51 | elkingrey | themill: Wheezy |
| 04:33.14 | themill | elkingrey: pop over to http://mozilla.debian.net/ and follow the instructions there. |
| 04:35.00 | elkingrey | kthanx |
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| 04:45.48 | elkingrey | hmmmm, I downloaded ff from mozilla, and when I run the executable it just brings up a new instance of iceweasel |
| 04:46.34 | somiaj | elkingrey: how are you running it (what is the comand you type) |
| 04:46.58 | elkingrey | simply firefox in the firefox directory |
| 04:47.18 | somiaj | elkingrey: that is because it is using your $PATH and firefox in your path is just a link to iceweasel |
| 04:47.19 | themill | you'd need to use -no-remote -- firefox detects that there's already other instances running |
| 04:47.25 | somiaj | elkingrey: you want ./firefox <-- type it like that |
| 04:47.47 | themill | (and also, just use iceweasel... it's less work for everyone concerned) |
| 04:47.53 | elkingrey | seth@LockBox:~/src/firefox$ ./firefox |
| 04:47.53 | elkingrey | bash: ./firefox: No such file or directory |
| 04:47.53 | elkingrey | seth@LockBox:~/src/firefox$ |
| 04:48.07 | elkingrey | Iceweasel is great, except it doesn't work on desk.com, which I need for my job. |
| 04:48.19 | themill | elkingrey: which version of iceweasel did you try? |
| 04:48.30 | elkingrey | 10.0.12 |
| 04:48.31 | themill | (and I very much doubt changing the logo makes any difference) |
| 04:48.42 | themill | elkingrey: right... so you completely ignored my suggestion earlier. Great. |
| 04:48.50 | elkingrey | I tried looking into the user agent thing, but that didn't seem right either. |
| 04:49.05 | elkingrey | I looked at your suggestion and it didn't offer a firefox option |
| 04:49.09 | themill | ... |
| 04:49.10 | elkingrey | I thought you were blowing me off |
| 04:49.38 | themill | elkingrey: a newer version of iceweasel makes much more difference to compatibility with any website than changing the logo does |
| 04:50.21 | elkingrey | Oh, you're saying my version of iceweasel is outdated? I figured it was brand new considering I just put a fresh install of wheezy on my machine |
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| 04:51.41 | elkingrey | I would rather run iceweasel and forget about firefox, but until I can figure out a way to get desk.com to work on iceweasel, I need FF |
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| 04:52.06 | themill | changing the logo isn't going to help you here |
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| 04:53.19 | LtL | elkingrey: you can get version 21 of iceweasel at mozilla.debian.net. i'm assuming the `release` version option works with wheezy, it does on squeeze. |
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| 04:54.13 | themill | LtL: correct, it does. |
| 04:54.19 | elkingrey | LtL: Are the versions of Iceweasel the same as Firefox? I was wondering why my iceweasel version was 10. I figured they just numbered differently, which I thought was lame. |
| 04:54.38 | themill | elkingrey: yes. The biggest difference is the icon. |
| 04:54.48 | somiaj | elkingrey: that is why you were pointed at mozilla.debian.net (that way you could get version 21 if you wanted) |
| 04:55.20 | somiaj | LtL: just checked it, it does work. |
| 04:55.36 | elkingrey | Okay, again, I thought I was just being blown off. I've seen lots of forums where people ask to get firefox and are told to install iceweasel, as if they didn't already know about iceweasel or soemthing. |
| 04:55.40 | elkingrey | My apologies. |
| 04:55.56 | LtL | elkingrey: its version 21 firefox, just re-branded. you've nmothing to lose. follow the directions on the page, add the deb line to sources.list, install the key, update. just read the directions on the page. |
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| 04:56.49 | elkingrey | LtL: And debian.net is trustworthy? |
| 04:56.59 | LtL | elkingrey: yes, quite |
| 04:57.20 | elkingrey | Why is the debian repo so out of date? |
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| 04:57.59 | somiaj | elkingrey: because stable is a frozen system. And wheezy was frozen over a year ago. |
| 04:58.03 | elkingrey | also, will these do auto updates for me? |
| 04:58.12 | LtL | elkingrey: good question, i can't answer that but i'm sure theres a reason, it's perfectly safe i assure you. |
| 04:58.33 | themill | elkingrey: debian never releases the latest versions of everything -- it releases a well-tested set of packages |
| 04:58.43 | somiaj | elkingrey: debian wanted to include an esr firefox release, and 10 was the ers version at the time of the freeze. |
| 04:58.50 | elkingrey | okay. I thought wheezy just came out. |
| 04:59.08 | themill | yes. that's what we all just said. |
| 04:59.12 | LtL | elkingrey: actually no, you will be notifies of updates, but will need to update iceweasel manually. piece of cake. |
| 04:59.30 | LtL | *notified |
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| 04:59.35 | somiaj | elkingrey: that is correct, but the freeze happened a year a go. It takes a while to test every package and fix the bugs. |
| 04:59.51 | elkingrey | So, they freeze the stable of wheezy long before the stable release of wheezy is released |
| 04:59.59 | themill | since testing takes time and the firefox developers release a new version every 8½ minutes, the version in stable is going to be a lot of version numbers behind the latest upstream release |
| 05:00.10 | themill | elkingrey: sure, it's not going to be the other way around. |
| 05:00.15 | elkingrey | themill: Okay, gotcha. |
| 05:00.25 | somiaj | LtL: my test showed the repo is pinned at 500 and it automatically upgraded my iceweasel with dist-upgrade |
| 05:00.39 | elkingrey | I'm just used to Ubuntu where anytime FF came out with an update, I got it auto updated |
| 05:00.52 | themill | elkingrey: it's no different. |
| 05:01.04 | LtL | somiaj: ah, i never tried dist-upgrade, thanks for that information :) |
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| 05:01.19 | somiaj | LtL: well it had to pull in some packages that were not in wheezy |
| 05:01.36 | somiaj | LtL: though once you do the first dist-upgrdae, regular upgrades should work from then on out |
| 05:01.56 | LtL | somiaj: good to know, many thanks. |
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| 05:04.58 | elkingrey | Do I have to add archive key to my apt keyring for the download and install to work? |
| 05:05.21 | LtL | elkingrey: yes,the directions are on the page |
| 05:05.23 | somiaj | elkingrey: only if you don't want warnings. Read the link we sent you, it tells you what to do |
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| 05:10.27 | apm1 | do th 7.0 live images have efi support as well ? |
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| 05:12.24 | apm1 | do the wheezy debian live images have EFI support as well ? i plan to live boot from them on a 2012 macbookair |
| 05:13.32 | apm1 | the standard installation images work fine on that macbookair , just making sure the live images are efi compatible too before i download them. |
| 05:14.37 | themill | apm1: you'd do better asking the debian live people that. Their image and installer generation is rather different. |
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| 05:20.32 | elkingrey | Why is it still yelling at me? http://pastebin.com/XnvUcSBq |
| 05:21.06 | themill | re-run apt-get update |
| 05:21.17 | elkingrey | k |
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| 05:27.56 | elkingrey | Haha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:28.07 | elkingrey | Desk.com works now! Thank you very much everybody! |
| 05:28.11 | elkingrey | Glad I didn't have to install FF |
| 05:28.45 | elkingrey | Now if only I can convince my employer/colleagues to give us Skype and switch to Jitsi I'll be set! |
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| 05:29.52 | elkingrey | I mean, GIVE UP Skype, not give us |
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| 05:44.56 | uberdub | anyone know what to do here when upgrading from squeeze to wheezy via apt-get? |
| 05:46.24 | uberdub | http://pastebin.com/SDvU2Pna |
| 05:46.50 | themill | uberdub: it's less showing you upgrade notes. Press q to quit. |
| 05:47.09 | themill | uberdub: you might like to read the upgrading chapter of the release notes |
| 05:47.35 | uberdub | yeah when I quite upgrade says var/archive is locked |
| 05:47.54 | themill | ? |
| 05:47.55 | uberdub | oh |
| 05:48.08 | uberdub | I was doing ctrl z |
| 05:48.10 | uberdub | derp |
| 05:48.26 | uberdub | full steam ahead again |
| 05:48.29 | uberdub | lol |
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| 05:59.51 | truexfan81 | so does testing only break for people running the main edition or gnome3? my netinstall that i upgraded to jessie is dead stable |
| 06:00.25 | histo | truexfan81: it's not stable it's testing |
| 06:00.45 | truexfan81 | histo: i know, point was that it is stable on my machine :D |
| 06:00.50 | themill | truexfan81: it's clearly not stable because you are always having new packages hit you with new bugs, new config file formats etc |
| 06:01.18 | truexfan81 | themill: well to me stable means nothing broken |
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| 06:02.14 | truexfan81 | oh i do find it funny that inxi -S shows it as jessie/sid... or are they the same thing right now? |
| 06:02.47 | themill | truexfan81: that's also highly unlikely given the number of RC bugs in jessie right now. And even if it isn't broken today, it might be tomorrow. That's not very stable. |
| 06:02.52 | themill | dpkg: tell truexfan81 about jessie/sid |
| 06:03.41 | truexfan81 | ah ok, the bot answered my question thank you |
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| 06:04.38 | truexfan81 | themill: does the fact that i only update it like once a month make it less likely or more likely to break? |
| 06:05.49 | truexfan81 | i'm gonna answer my own question |
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| 06:06.03 | truexfan81 | and say it probably depends on the time of the month :P |
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| 06:06.37 | themill | I'd probably punt for "more likely" as you're exploring a more unusual upgrade path so you'll hit upgrade problems that haven't been found by anyone else. Any individual package would have the same chance of being broken. |
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| 06:07.39 | truexfan81 | well i'll have fun with it for awhile, later when i get tired of it breaking i'll wipe it out and go back to wheezy |
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| 06:08.48 | uberdub | I hope sleep/suspend issue has been fixed in 3.2 |
| 06:09.00 | uberdub | Im guessing not though |
| 06:09.30 | themill | uberdub: which sleep/suspend issue? Did you file a bug for it? Lots of people haven't been having any sleep or suspend issues since about kernel 2.6.9 or so. |
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| 06:09.43 | uberdub | never filed a bug report |
| 06:09.54 | uberdub | 2.6 kernel it works fine |
| 06:10.11 | uberdub | Ive tried running wheezy before |
| 06:10.15 | uberdub | no luck |
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| 06:11.28 | uberdub | installig squeezed fixes it, but bluetooth doesnt work. Time to sort it I suppose |
| 06:11.38 | truexfan81 | well if you try everything else and it fails to fix it, you could install the 2.6 kernel on wheezy, i'd consider that a last resort tho |
| 06:11.43 | evanton | is there an easy way to remove all X related packages (apps, libraries) including X itself from a debian install, or I'd just need to explicitly know the names of all packages I'd want to remove? |
| 06:12.23 | themill | !remove xorg |
| 06:12.24 | dpkg | it has been said that remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
| 06:12.40 | histo | evanton: I believe you can remove xorg and autoremove will pick up anything else |
| 06:12.43 | uberdub | truexfan81, yeah running 2.6 doesnt support bluetooth for my card, and 2.6 under wheezy "isnt supported" |
| 06:13.27 | truexfan81 | "isn't supported"? why is it in the repos then? |
| 06:14.13 | uberdub | didnt know that. is that recent? |
| 06:14.21 | themill | truexfan81: there is no 2.6 kernel in wheezy |
| 06:14.27 | uberdub | sucks not having bluetooth though too |
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| 06:14.48 | histo | uberdub: so your bluetooth doesn't work with the newer kernel? |
| 06:14.54 | truexfan81 | what? was there when i had the wheezy repos, is still there with the jessie repos |
| 06:15.03 | uberdub | no the older 2.6 |
| 06:15.08 | themill | truexfan81: no it isn't. |
| 06:15.10 | histo | !kernel |
| 06:15.15 | truexfan81 | pastebin coming |
| 06:15.29 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.10-rc1, stable 3.9: 3.9.3, stable 3.8: 3.8.13 (EOL), stable 3.7: 3.7.10 (EOL), longterm 3.4: 3.4.46, longterm 3.2: 3.2.45, longterm 3.0: 3.0.79, longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.14, longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.60, linux-next: next-20130520 |
| 06:16.19 | truexfan81 | i'm not seeing any of those in aptitude |
| 06:16.47 | themill | truexfan81: dpkg is only telling you about kernel.org there. Not particularly useful to this discussion. |
| 06:16.52 | uberdub | wonder if 3.7 or 3.9 will fix it |
| 06:17.02 | truexfan81 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/5286/ |
| 06:17.15 | truexfan81 | thats from my jessie netbook |
| 06:17.24 | themill | truexfan81: please read those package descriptions more carefully. |
| 06:17.45 | rwcook35 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.01 | themill | truexfan81: looking at the Depends and Installed-Size parts of "apt-cache show $package" may also be instructive. |
| 06:18.24 | uberdub | looking forward to bluetooth working, but not looking forward to the possibility of having to sort the previous suspend issues |
| 06:19.23 | uberdub | the wifi adapter seemed to be causing it IIRC |
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| 06:48.57 | iio7 | Only every second time or so, when I plug-in a USB harddrive, does the drive appear in /dev, is there a way to make it appear always? |
| 06:49.08 | iio7 | This is on wheezy. |
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| 07:03.54 | gedO | Hello. Who can help me to pack a deb package? I have isntalled roundcube 7.1 and I want to pack roundube 9.1 from source |
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| 07:05.30 | themill | gedO: if you've got a bit of time on your hands, perhaps you'd like to help out the roundcube maintainers with this? |
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| 07:11.45 | gedO | themill: I could if I know how :) |
| 07:11.58 | gedO | themill: but I don't know :( |
| 07:12.01 | themill | dpkg: tell gedO about nmg |
| 07:12.33 | themill | gedO: roundcube 8 is in experimental. I'd look at their mailing list to find out what their current plans are for uploading version 8 to sid and then packaging future versions. |
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| 07:13.40 | gedO | themill: they have released 9.1 version |
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| 07:19.44 | gedO | Who know fast way to build new versin of package having old version installed? |
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| 07:21.00 | themill | two versions of the same package cannot be installed at once |
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| 07:23.34 | gedO | themill: I want to update it :) |
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| 07:24.14 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am using the netinst and the installer complained about wifi modules missing. I finished installing, now when I boot, the screen goes blank after spewing out messages about firmwares missing |
| 07:24.20 | themill | gedO: I know. |
| 07:24.50 | jmmy | I tried this but failed: https://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/ssl-guides/debian-5-lenny |
| 07:25.09 | jmmy | Anyone can help setting up debian for positiveSSL |
| 07:25.39 | gedO | themill: I have installed 7.1 nad I have downloaded 9.1 source so I would like to build 9.1.deb and update 7.1 package : |
| 07:26.24 | themill | gedO: I know. dpkg told you about some of the things that you will need to do to build an updated package. You should start with the 8.6 package though |
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| 07:26.55 | gedO | themill: Okey |
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| 07:27.59 | Spockz | good morning #debian |
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| 07:28.24 | Spockz | I'm getting the following error while running apt-get upgrade: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/install-info_5.1.dfsg.1-3_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 07:28.27 | Spockz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:29.13 | Spockz | and this was the whole run: https://gist.github.com/spockz/4509cee9efc07e90310d |
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| 07:34.34 | themill | Spockz: what's the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg apt libc6 perl; apt-cache policy"? |
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| 07:35.11 | Spockz | themill: https://gist.github.com/spockz/949238f14095d4d4497f |
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| 07:35.29 | themill | yeah... that'll do it. Don't mix releases like that. |
| 07:35.52 | Spockz | themill: I'm not aware of mixing anything |
| 07:36.11 | themill | well you've got squeeze and sid in your sources.list and there is no sane way of doing that. |
| 07:36.17 | Spockz | ah |
| 07:36.31 | Spockz | I'll get rid of that than |
| 07:36.34 | themill | (and you don't even have an up to date squeeze there) |
| 07:37.15 | themill | you've already got some packages from sid. There's no easy way of fixing that. |
| 07:37.16 | Spockz | themill: removing sid helps indeed |
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| 07:37.31 | themill | !not available |
| 07:37.31 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 07:37.46 | themill | Spockz: ^^ now you've got rid of sid and re-run apt-get update, what does that output? |
| 07:37.49 | Spockz | themill: the only way is waiting until they come avaialbe through the stable channel right |
| 07:38.11 | Spockz | themill: I can runt apt-get upgrade now without errors so far |
| 07:38.28 | Spockz | or whas that not a smart thing to do? |
| 07:38.58 | themill | if you've not got sid in your sources.list any more that should be fine. |
| 07:39.13 | themill | when that upgrade has finished, can you pastebin the output of that aptitude command above? |
| 07:40.16 | Spockz | themill: quite a list: https://gist.github.com/spockz/dde2c7222185eb2ec377 |
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| 07:40.38 | lxsameer | does sid repo have problem today ? |
| 07:40.58 | themill | Spockz: ugh |
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| 07:42.00 | themill | Spockz: you can try upgrading that thing to wheezy and then downgrading anything that's still in that list, but I suspect that reinstalling it will be easier. You have a completely unmaintainable machine at present. |
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| 07:42.46 | Spockz | themill: auch |
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| 07:53.37 | Spockz | thank you themill |
| 07:53.59 | Spockz | As soon as Debian 7 gets available on my VPS I'll upgrade |
| 07:54.09 | Spockz | Or is there a security risk now? |
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| 07:55.17 | themill | Spockz: I'd prod your hoster about being able to upgrade. Unless they're running some old RHEL with openvz as the hosting platform, you should be able to upgrade. |
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| 07:55.58 | Spockz | themill: That is what I thought with 6 as well, but they had some weird problem with grub... |
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| 08:16.32 | Elements_of_inst | Hello all! I am installed a debian on Virtual box and trying to share folders, but when i mount it sayis /sbin/mount.vboxdf: mounting faliled with the wrror: No such device |
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| 08:30.04 | Elements_of_inst | Anyone here? |
| 08:30.09 | histo | Elements_of_inst: No |
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| 08:30.31 | histo | Elements_of_inst: only 1234 people |
| 08:30.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell Elements_of_inst -about vbox |
| 08:30.39 | darsie | I installed wheezy on my home file, web, mail server and it installed without asking many questions a desktop system. Now I aptitude purged gnome and gdm3 which removed another 273 packages. Anything else I can do to get a more server like installation, except reinstalling and choosing 'expert mode'. Maybe run tasksel? |
| 08:31.19 | babilen | Elements_of_inst: I simply don't know vbox well enough to help with this as I personally prefer KVM + virt-manager (if I really need a GUI) -- Ask in the vbox channel and make sure you have the guest additions installed. |
| 08:31.21 | jelly | Elements_of_inst: Are the guest extensions installed inside the vm? |
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| 08:31.52 | jelly | right, #vbox will know more about vboxsf |
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| 08:31.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell darsie about standard |
| 08:32.13 | Elements_of_inst | jelly, i am not sure how to install those guest additions? |
| 08:32.40 | histo | !remove xorg |
| 08:32.40 | dpkg | well, remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
| 08:32.41 | jelly | me neither, I don't have vbox any more |
| 08:33.08 | babilen | darsie: It most certainly did not install a Desktop system if that wasn't selected in the menu -- Apart from that: you want to remove everything that does *not* match the aptitude search pattern our bot just told you about. |
| 08:33.43 | babilen | darsie: Refer to the aptitude search pattern documentation and sprinkle that expression with "!" to negate the query ... then s/search/purge and you are done. |
| 08:34.13 | darsie | babilen: But gdm3, gnome, libreoffice appear to be desktop packages. |
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| 08:34.53 | babilen | darsie: yes, hence the desktop task was selected |
| 08:35.15 | darsie | babilen: IIRC I did not select it. |
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| 08:35.34 | babilen | darsie: It might have been selected by default |
| 08:35.40 | darsie | yes |
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| 08:35.56 | babilen | darsie: I haven't installed a new box in quite a while, so I don't quite recall the default selections |
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| 08:36.53 | avances123 | hello, I want to do an aptitude install but one package wants to overwrite a confile modified by me, can I answer the default version by default? Im doing this in a batch script. Thanks |
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| 08:47.06 | local | Hello folks. Anyone can tell me how I can do case-insensitive search within a manual? i.e. I execute 'man lsof' and want to search case-insensitive. In VIM Editor I could use :setic but inside the "man" command I cannot do that. Any help appreciated |
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| 08:48.09 | Kooky | local: you can set MANPAGER to any editor/pager you want |
| 08:48.30 | local | Kooky: can you tell me how to do that in detail? |
| 08:48.51 | local | which editor/pager does 'man' use by default? how can I check that? |
| 08:49.01 | Kooky | ie. export MANPAGER="most" |
| 08:49.47 | Kooky | you get the current value with: echo $MANPAGER |
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| 08:50.22 | local | echo $MANPAGER doesnt give me any output, just the command prompt |
| 08:50.43 | local | also "env |grep -i man" doesn't give any output |
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| 08:53.05 | Kooky | then its not set or $PAGER value is used |
| 08:55.54 | Kooky | the used env. variables are described in the man page of man at parameter -P (hopefully this loop will not destroy the internet) |
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| 08:57.30 | local | Kooky: echo $PAGER also doesnt produce any output. I think 'man' uses the program "pager" which is identical to "less". Please correct me if I am wrong. In less, I can use the switch -i to have caseinsensitive searches. So it would be nice to know, where (config file or variable?) I can add this switch -i to the default behavior of 'man' command, |
| 08:57.35 | local | do you know? |
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| 08:59.21 | Kooky | export PAGER="less -i" should be fine |
| 08:59.37 | local | but this would be lost in case of a reboot, wouldn't it? |
| 08:59.46 | local | how can I do that, so it will survice a reboot? |
| 08:59.59 | Kooky | put it in you .bashrc or .zshrc |
| 09:00.09 | local | ok |
| 09:00.14 | Kooky | depending on the shell you use |
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| 09:01.31 | jelly | local: you can add any less options to LESS env. var. |
| 09:01.53 | jelly | export LESS="-e -X -M -PM--Less--?f(?eEND:%pB\%.) %f?m (%i/%m)., ln %lt/%L chr %bB? B/.:(?eEND?L, line %L.:?pB%pB\%, .line %lt?L/%L..)%t." |
| 09:02.09 | local | wohhaaa :) whats that? |
| 09:02.30 | jelly | an example |
| 09:04.37 | local | jelly: wouldn't just a "export LESS="-i" work ? |
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| 09:05.18 | jelly | it would. |
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| 09:07.28 | local | thank you Kooky and jelly. |
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| 09:09.16 | ohcibi | hi, we upgraded from squeeze to wheezy yesterday and now duplicity complains about missing modules gio and paramiko and then fails with SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner (when using scp:// as protocol), whats wrong and how to fix it? |
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| 09:11.57 | Kooky | looks like both python modules are recommended and not required. However, did you install them too? |
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| 09:16.09 | ohcibi | Kooky: I installed paramiko, dont know which package gio is in... |
| 09:16.33 | ohcibi | Kooky: but it looks like the problem s our crappy backupserver |
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| 09:18.31 | foubarre | Hi. Do you know if it is possible to use libraries from memory instead of disk? I would like libraries not to be on disk, rather in an invisible storage (single exe, sort of) |
| 09:18.47 | foubarre | and i do not want to static link |
| 09:19.15 | foubarre | something like this on windows.. http://www.joachim-bauch.de/tutorials/loading-a-dll-from-memory/ |
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| 09:20.32 | dutchfish | foubarre, the libs, once loaded will stick in the memory cache, if you provide enough memory for the cache, this is automagically already solved |
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| 09:21.08 | foubarre | dutchfish: i do not want them to be public at any moment. |
| 09:21.25 | foubarre | dutchfish: or maybe i missed your point? |
| 09:22.23 | foubarre | dutchfish: to be in memory cache, it has to be read from disk first. Right? |
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| 09:23.48 | dutchfish | foubarre, yes, thats the beauty off it, it only sticks stuff in the cache that is really needed, so, not to waste precious memory space. |
| 09:24.38 | dutchfish | foubarre, this covered in the kernel docs fyi |
| 09:24.58 | foubarre | dutchfish: ok. Problem is that i do not want to have quick access to libraries. I want to hide them. Like executing them from inside an archive file without ever writing them to disk as temp files. |
| 09:25.09 | Kooky | foubarre: do want to speed up the loading of the library or do you just don't want to put the library at a place a user can read/use it |
| 09:25.23 | Kooky | hehe ok |
| 09:25.24 | foubarre | Kooky: second choice. |
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| 09:27.44 | foubarre | like Apple does for its applications. Everything is stored within an archive and is used as-is. I guess they emulate some sort of private device and run from it. |
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| 09:28.32 | foubarre | This is the "not writing a second time to storage as a normal file" thing that i am looking for |
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| 09:29.49 | Kooky | you could mount a ram disc during runtime, move the lib there and use it like other lib. Other I think are more C related, how to load a lib from a byte stream or something like that |
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| 09:32.48 | foubarre | Kooky: the C thingies are ok to me. If you have docs/pointers, i'll be happy if you can paste them to me |
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| 09:36.54 | dutchfish | foubarre, Kooky it can still be detected by gdb through /proc/mem so if you really want to hide it you need something else beyond the scope of this channel |
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| 09:38.04 | foubarre | dutchfish: that sounds reasonnably hidden enough to me. It's not a top secret agency or malware application.. |
| 09:38.22 | dutchfish | foubarre, well, my virusscanner just checks that |
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| 09:39.04 | foubarre | dutchfish: ah, well. They have to do their job too. |
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| 09:39.12 | dutchfish | foubarre, oh ok |
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| 09:42.02 | foubarre | dutchfish: the goal is really only to avoid distributing things in a too disparate manner. In fact, i want to run apps stored in database for some reasons. And for that to be fine, i need to be able not to dump them to disk. it would make the whole thing useless. |
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| 09:43.10 | dutchfish | foubarre, well, you could just pass the meta out from SQL to execute, the db can be loaded by default in memory as is done with for example temp DB's in mysql. |
| 09:43.48 | dutchfish | foubarre, anything that can be hold in a blob .... |
| 09:44.30 | dutchfish | foubarre, in fact you could even crypt that as hashes |
| 09:45.08 | foubarre | dutchfish: yep. i have DB where i can access randomly to the blob, but telling the OS to execute from that is an other task. |
| 09:45.22 | jelly | so you're using the db as a filesystem |
| 09:45.36 | jelly | might as well write a fuse wrapper around it |
| 09:45.37 | dutchfish | foubarre, it is in the scripts manual ie php, perl whatever |
| 09:46.14 | amiral_ | i asked Ubuntu guys but they didn't help me !!!!!!!! you know how important hardware for an IT, we can do nothing without hardware. my hardware is falling a part and i need some money to buy new one any one can give me 300 or 400€ i really need it |
| 09:47.57 | foubarre | amiral_: if someone does, tell me who..... |
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| 09:48.31 | foubarre | needs a billion or two.. |
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| 09:50.11 | Elements_of_inst | is it enough just to apt-get install bzip2 thats al? |
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| 09:50.52 | amiral_ | of cource there is some one how can help me i just asked for 400 |
| 09:50.59 | Kooky | foubarre: Is C the language of choice, or would another language do the job too? (i.e. Java) |
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| 09:51.23 | foubarre | Kooky: i use both. (and H2 as db at the moment) |
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| 09:52.34 | foubarre | Kooky: been doing multiplatform apps for 20 years. Going java makes a huge difference in that field. |
| 09:53.12 | foubarre | Kooky: but C is still necessary some times |
| 09:53.38 | Kooky | just because of loading additional librarys in memory should be easier |
| 09:53.42 | foubarre | Kooky: so i don't care, really, about what is needed |
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| 09:54.39 | ueb | hi everybody |
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| 09:55.45 | ueb | I've got a debian vps on a cloud provider, and I'd like to migrate it on another provider |
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| 09:56.49 | ueb | I'm thinking about using RSYNC for migration |
| 09:57.13 | ueb | otherwise I should reinstall and reconfigure everything... |
| 09:57.43 | foubarre | ueb: if there is nothing on the target, rsync ought to provide no better service than a copy. |
| 09:57.44 | theothertom | I'd suggest selective rsync, rather than copying everything |
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| 09:58.17 | ueb | selective rsync? do you mean excluding some folders? |
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| 09:59.00 | theothertom | for example, if you were moving a webserver, just copy/rsync /etc/apache2/ and /var/www/ |
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| 09:59.38 | theothertom | and use dkpg --get-selections/--set-selections to install the software you need |
| 10:00.32 | ueb | theothertom: I'd like to avoid reinstalling reconfiguring the entire stack everytime I change provider.. |
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| 10:01.32 | gedO | Guys, when I run command ' dpkg-buildpackage' ir gives me error: 'No PO directory found, use the --podir flag to tell where it is... exiting' |
| 10:01.32 | ueb | I configured ftp+web+mail with virtual domains/users |
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| 10:01.35 | gedO | what this error means? |
| 10:01.57 | theothertom | ueb: rsyncing everything *might* work, though I've had a weird time with that before |
| 10:02.14 | darsie | babilen: dpkg told me about standard, but the "tasks" it mentioned appear to be priorities, not "tasks". aptitude search '?task(standard)' shows 0 packages while aptitude search '?priority(standard) shows 96 packages. |
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| 10:02.41 | theothertom | I'd generally copy over the bits I needed from /etc and reinstall the packages needed |
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| 10:03.20 | babilen | darsie: Yes, I am referring to packages of a specific priority -- If you want a sensible minimal set of packages those in the standard task are a reasonable choice. Adjust it to your liking. |
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| 10:03.46 | dutchfish | ueb, http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/wiki/Cloning_a_Debian_server |
| 10:03.51 | darsie | babilen: You are saying "standard task". That confuses me. |
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| 10:04.19 | babilen | theothertom: I would recommend to not use dpkg --set-selections, but the method detailed in "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" as it keeps information about automatically installed packages. |
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| 10:05.24 | babilen | darsie: Yes, packages in the "Standard" task are those with the priorities in that query - It is the set of packages you would end up with if you only select "Standard" in the task selection stage during the initial install. |
| 10:05.57 | theothertom | babilen: ah, neat |
| 10:06.17 | theothertom | I've not cloned a box in a pretty long time, been using Puppet to build things :) |
| 10:06.31 | ueb | dutchfish: thanks, that will make possible to reinstall the same packages... but what about configurations ? |
| 10:07.03 | dutchfish | ueb, make a backup of the box first, the configs are in /etc as explained in that wiki |
| 10:07.47 | gedO | Guys, where I can read more abaout dpkg-buildpackage --podir argument?? |
| 10:07.55 | gedO | In manual I can't fand anything |
| 10:08.42 | babilen | gedO: po files are contain translations of strings that are referenced in the program code -- What are you trying to do? |
| 10:08.57 | ueb | dutchfish: that tutorial is not complete |
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| 10:09.31 | ueb | dutchfish: and links to Cfengine are broken |
| 10:10.04 | themill | gedO: where do you see references to --podir? |
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| 10:10.20 | ueb | I installed some packages not present in standard repositories, for example Tomcat7 and Java7 |
| 10:10.45 | ueb | so, perhaps, dpkg --set-selections should not work |
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| 10:10.50 | gedO | themill: Where I can look for ti? |
| 10:10.53 | ueb | isn't it? |
| 10:11.08 | gedO | babilen: I'm trying to build deb from source |
| 10:11.25 | dutchfish | ueb, i dont use the cfengine part for that i just copy the /etc dir and cherrypick the needed configs |
| 10:11.50 | themill | gedO: umm... you're claiming that the option exists, why do you claim that it exists? |
| 10:12.07 | dutchfish | ueb, remember that you prolly have different debian versions on the old and the new box |
| 10:12.40 | ueb | dutchfish: both will be Debian6 |
| 10:12.54 | dutchfish | ueb, stable is at 7 |
| 10:12.56 | gedO | themill: how i should look for this reference? |
| 10:13.42 | ueb | dutchfish: yes, but I want Debian6 at this time, to facilitate migration |
| 10:13.49 | themill | gedO: is there another language in which you'd be happier seeking support? We're not getting anywhere here. |
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| 10:14.00 | dutchfish | ueb, ok, fair enough, then to copy of /etc will work |
| 10:14.37 | gedO | themill: Okey, I will do asking in another chanell |
| 10:14.42 | dutchfish | ueb, (for the configs that is) |
| 10:14.56 | ueb | dutchfish: ok, but dpkg --set-selections will work with other packages like Java7 and Tomcat7 ? |
| 10:15.15 | dutchfish | ueb, anything that was installed from the debian repos |
| 10:15.34 | hyppias | Wheezy, root has good password. I should not mantain the server as "root". So I use "hyppias" to maintain the server. Is it enough to make hyppias member of the group "sudo"? do nothing to standard sudoers? |
| 10:15.41 | dutchfish | ueb, if you have installed manually outtside of dpkg view, that wont work |
| 10:15.43 | ueb | dutchfish: Java7 and Tomcat7 are not on debian repos |
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| 10:16.01 | dutchfish | ueb, you have to do them manually again on the new box |
| 10:16.15 | ueb | dutchfish: this is why I'm thinking about RSYNC |
| 10:16.28 | ueb | dutchfish: for easy migration |
| 10:16.46 | ueb | http://kudzia.eu/b/2012/02/cloning-the-server-using-rsync/ |
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| 10:17.14 | dutchfish | ueb, i suggest to look at your provider if he can make an offline tarball dump, and copy that to your new system changing ip | mac | dns settings offline |
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| 10:17.51 | ueb | dutchfish: why? |
| 10:18.11 | dutchfish | ueb, because then you have all as a backup in a good shape |
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| 10:25.56 | dutchfish | ueb, some offer that already inside the admin panel per default |
| 10:26.38 | ueb | could you suggest any cloud provider? |
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| 10:27.21 | dutchfish | ueb, pick one that is physically near to you and has a good reputation on running linux, thats all i can say |
| 10:27.59 | ueb | dutchfish: I need it in europe |
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| 10:29.35 | dutchfish | ueb, maybe tis helps a bit? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 10:29.44 | dutchfish | s/tis/this |
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| 10:32.31 | dutchfish | ueb, but maybe others can advise you better on this, i have only expirience in .nl |
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| 10:43.38 | fgase3 | i have to install the ATI driver , the gnome3 fails to load , its falling back to old method |
| 10:43.46 | fgase3 | how can i do this? |
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| 10:52.25 | foubarre | sorry, cannot help you on this subject. However, can you please indicate model of ATI graphics card? It might wake someone up.. |
| 10:53.16 | ueb | dutchfish: I'm thinking about migrating to cloudvps.com, which should be in NL... do you know it? |
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| 10:58.08 | b2_ | is there a way now to dist-upgrade etch to lenny? |
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| 10:59.04 | petemc | b2_: archive.debian.org |
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| 11:06.33 | b2_ | petemc: what about security.debian.org, if i replace it with archive.debian.org i got 404 not found |
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| 11:11.54 | petemc | b2_: older releases dont get security updates |
| 11:12.11 | petemc | this is the probably the main reason not to use them.. |
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| 11:12.28 | b2_ | petemc: oh,ok 10x a lot for helping me |
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| 11:22.19 | ov3rmind | hi guys nice morning :) |
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| 11:24.53 | ov3rmind | guys i am trying stream audio/video from my note webcam and no success i have read various thing on the net but none work on debian 7 any help or tip ? |
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| 11:26.46 | lmnts | 29: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection ** Uptime: 3d 2h 43m 4s ** |
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| 11:27.10 | lmnts | uh did my client just send that, sorry :) |
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| 11:28.19 | apm1 | interesting my macbookpro has the same processor as your thinkpad |
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| 11:33.33 | gedO | Guys how you can explain this. When I create deb package in package I can locate only data.tar.gz and nothing more |
| 11:33.52 | gedO | and in data.tar.gz are only docs |
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| 11:38.04 | halt | HI all, is there any way to have red hat syle last command ? where the ftp logins are also included just like this http://pastebin.com/mxkLgsuz |
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| 11:38.30 | ov3rmind | anyone use vlc to stream audio/video from note webcam and mic? |
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| 11:41.06 | mordonez | Hi guys, I have isntalled debian using minimal inet cd but I couldn't connect to a network |
| 11:41.31 | mordonez | so now is a very basic os |
| 11:41.55 | mordonez | the intenrnet needs to autenticate in web using an user and a password |
| 11:42.11 | mordonez | how can I connect to internet in that way using just terminal |
| 11:42.14 | mordonez | ? |
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| 11:43.33 | Zharf | links? |
| 11:43.40 | mordonez | lynx |
| 11:43.42 | mordonez | ? |
| 11:43.47 | Zharf | that too |
| 11:44.06 | mordonez | I am going to find the debs because they are not installed |
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| 11:57.20 | bcw | is anybody else having a problem with Xmarks in Iceweasel? Mine won't sync as of May 14th, and I seem to remember an Iceweasel security update a few weeks ago... |
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| 12:05.54 | mrniceguy_ | I just installed a fresh 7.0.0 system and dhcp isn't working with my networking which uses 10.0.0.* addresses, what to do? |
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| 12:10.50 | mrniceguy_ | any ideas what wrong with squeeze and dhcp? |
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| 12:12.58 | mrniceguy_ | hello? |
| 12:13.19 | drhouse123 | mrniceguy_: may be you need firmware for your ethernet card ? |
| 12:13.41 | mrniceguy_ | drhouse123: the card worked fine using the install process run by the CD. |
| 12:14.06 | mrniceguy_ | And I don't get dhcp to realize the ip range is 10.0.0.* instead of 192.168.0.* |
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| 12:16.24 | drhouse123 | mrniceguy_: may be it help you http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/33376/debian-dhcpd-no-subnet-declaration-for-eth0 |
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| 12:18.32 | D-Boy | When i issue this command : aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade <== sometimes this only execute the first one (aptitude update) even if there are updates to apply, why is that ? |
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| 12:19.22 | darsie | How can aptitude search for package state? I want to exclude packages with 'State: not a real package'. |
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| 12:19.59 | jelly | darsie: where (which command) does one see that particular state? |
| 12:20.19 | Trewas | D-Boy: you are using && which executes the second command only when the first one exits without errors, maybe update occasionally fails to run completely because of a network error etc |
| 12:20.44 | darsie | jelly: aptitude show '?not( ?priority(standard) | ?priority(required) | ?priority(important) | ~pextra | ~poptional )' |less |
| 12:21.15 | D-Boy | Trewas : even when aptitude update exits with something like that : Current status: 34 updates [+10], 1713 new [+50]. ? |
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| 12:23.04 | mrniceguy_ | drhouse123: thank you, i've fixed it now. |
| 12:23.34 | mordonez | ok now I am connected |
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| 12:23.41 | Trewas | D-Boy: a program can exit with any exit code it wants to, you can use "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" |
| 12:23.51 | mordonez | any of you can give me the output of your sources.list? |
| 12:24.09 | mordonez | mine only has cdrom and a couple of sources commented |
| 12:24.18 | mordonez | when I try to find gnome |
| 12:24.22 | D-Boy | Trewas : I see, thanks |
| 12:24.23 | mordonez | it could find it |
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| 12:25.17 | D-Boy | dpkg: tell mordonez about sources.list |
| 12:26.12 | hyppias | restarted Wheezy an now I see "not starting HFS Kernel Deamon: no exports". And get no network connection. what can I do? |
| 12:26.20 | hyppias | HFS=NFS |
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| 12:26.38 | bcw | nobody else is having issues with Xmarks in Iceweasel? (If so, I plan to open a ticket with Xmarks, since it would seem not to be a Debian packaging issue.) |
| 12:26.50 | mordonez | I found a page to generate them |
| 12:26.55 | mordonez | I am going to try that |
| 12:27.01 | abrotman | mordonez: don't use that |
| 12:27.18 | abrotman | !tell mordonez about wheezy sources.list |
| 12:28.08 | bcw | OTOH, they'll probably tell me "your Firefox is an outdated version" :) |
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| 12:33.45 | mordonez | Thank you! |
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| 12:42.14 | Quibus | hi |
| 12:42.42 | Quibus | a friend of mine put a DVD ISO of Wheezy on an USB-stick with dd but the computer doesn't boot from it when using the boot menu of his BIOS. Any idea what's wrong? |
| 12:43.01 | qman__ | that's not how you make a bootable USB |
| 12:43.23 | Quibus | qman__: the manual said 'use cp my.iso /dev/sdX' |
| 12:43.32 | Quibus | what *is* the way then? |
| 12:43.51 | Quibus | see this for the manual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 12:43.57 | Quibus | the cp version also didn't work |
| 12:44.05 | qman__ | you can use a tool designed for it such as unetbootin, or download a USB image, NOT a DVD image |
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| 12:46.09 | Quibus | qman__: the manual says nothing about that |
| 12:46.17 | abrotman | qman__: no, that is the way |
| 12:46.20 | Quibus | It says "get a CD or DVD image and writ it to USB stick" |
| 12:46.28 | abrotman | unetbootin is definitely not the way |
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| 12:46.34 | abrotman | broken pile of crap |
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| 12:46.50 | abrotman | Quibus: you did use dvd1, correct ? |
| 12:46.52 | Quibus | abrotman: OK, so why didn't it boot? |
| 12:47.10 | gedO | Guys, how to make a deb package from old version source and with new version source |
| 12:47.24 | gedO | old version source contains source and deb files |
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| 12:47.32 | abrotman | Quibus: you definitely used /dev/sdX, not /dev/sdX#, right ? |
| 12:47.40 | abrotman | Quibus: and you ran a 'sync' before disconnecting the device? |
| 12:47.44 | Quibus | abrotman: it wasn't me, but my friend |
| 12:47.56 | abrotman | Quibus: just asking you to verify |
| 12:48.05 | Quibus | abrotman: he used ttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/ia64/iso-dvd/ that one |
| 12:48.11 | Quibus | +h |
| 12:48.14 | abrotman | Quibus: your friend doesn't have ia64 |
| 12:48.19 | Quibus | ah :-) |
| 12:48.29 | abrotman | Quibus: he likely has amd64 |
| 12:48.39 | Quibus | yes |
| 12:48.43 | Quibus | Good point |
| 12:48.49 | abrotman | ia64 is Itanium |
| 12:49.08 | Quibus | I know |
| 12:49.22 | Quibus | But I hadn't asked which one he used before yet, so I dumbly pasted it here and then I noticed as well :-) |
| 12:49.28 | abrotman | Quibus: at least he didn't waste a DVD? :) |
| 12:49.34 | Quibus | of course not :-) |
| 12:49.46 | Quibus | Writable DVD/CD is absolutely obsolete stuff :-) |
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| 12:50.06 | jelly | gedO: see /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 12:50.09 | abrotman | sometimes still necessary depending on the device |
| 12:50.18 | Quibus | abrotman: I'll recommend him to use the mini.iso |
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| 12:50.33 | Quibus | thanks |
| 12:51.19 | Quibus | abrotman: why is the instrouction to use cp though and not dd? |
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| 12:51.44 | Quibus | also, how is the user supposed to know which dev to use? |
| 12:51.48 | abrotman | Quibus: probably just what they had the most success with .. |
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| 12:51.56 | themill | it's the easier syntax |
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| 12:52.17 | abrotman | Quibus: as for the device .. i generally would insert the stick to generate a dmesg log .. but that's me |
| 12:52.18 | Quibus | themill: well, you can forget the sync, that's introducing an important point of failure |
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| 12:52.26 | Quibus | abrotman: me too, but that's not in the manual |
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| 12:55.38 | gedO | jelly: Have you worked with uupdate??? |
| 12:56.12 | jelly | gedO: yes!!! |
| 12:56.39 | gedO | jelly: Can you help me with it? |
| 12:56.49 | Quibus | that mini.iso is only 23MB |
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| 12:57.00 | Quibus | Does it really work?? What's the diff with the netinst iso? |
| 12:57.02 | abrotman | Quibus: either use the netinst or the CD1 .. DVD1 is really quite a waste |
| 12:57.17 | abrotman | Quibus: the mini.iso would require the internet to complete the install, the netinst does not |
| 12:57.23 | abrotman | !tell Quibus about firmware netinst |
| 12:57.24 | jelly | gedO: no time to. It's not that complex, provide a versioned tarball of newer version, cd into older unpacked deb-src tree, and uupdate ../wherever/foo-newer-version.tar.gz |
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| 12:58.14 | Quibus | but netinst also requires the internet to download all packages... |
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| 12:58.34 | themill | Quibus: no |
| 12:58.57 | Quibus | perhaps it has a minimal set of packages in the image? |
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| 13:01.11 | Quibus | by the way if you install a testing netinst, does the distro then also point to 'testing' and not to a fixed release name? |
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| 13:02.08 | jelly | judd: kernels |
| 13:02.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
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| 13:05.37 | Quibus | oh, the friend wants MATE... is that in Debian? |
| 13:05.45 | Quibus | I can't find it quickly |
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| 13:14.23 | RafaelK | hello folks, i'm trying to compile dotdeb package for armhf but i get only errors |
| 13:14.49 | themill | RafaelK: dotdeb :( |
| 13:14.51 | RafaelK | knows somebody how to compile detdeb packages |
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| 13:15.33 | RafaelK | for example PHP5 by wheezy is 5.4.4 and there is problem with fpm |
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| 13:19.07 | RafaelK | is it right way? # apt-get build-dep php5; apt-get source php5 ; cd php5-5.4.15 ; ./debian/rules binary ? |
| 13:19.28 | themill | dpkg: tell RafaelK about package recompile |
| 13:19.42 | darsie | Does your suggestion mean to aptitude remove '~i !?or(~pstandard, ~prequired, ~pimportant)' ? That would remove 1078 of 1288 packages and leave some dependency conflicts: http://paste.debian.net/5329/ |
| 13:20.00 | themill | RafaelK: we highly recommend you don't touch the crap from dotdeb.org -- please ask them about their packages. |
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| 13:23.06 | RafaelK | dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us fails to :( |
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| 13:27.32 | Guest78345 | Hi, been trying to fix an aptitude problem for 2 days now, google has not been kind to me... error on apt-cache update is E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 13:27.32 | Guest78345 | and on aptitude it goes like : E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 13:27.32 | Guest78345 | E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
| 13:27.32 | Guest78345 | tried cleaning apt-cache and aptitude, tried bzip2 (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=80623) and apt-spy and netselect-apt |
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| 13:27.57 | krofna | When I select a device in nautilus it says "Not Authorized" rather than asking me for password. How do I fix that? |
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| 13:31.23 | Guest78345 | hi, I'm having an aptitude problem |
| 13:31.53 | Guest78345 | I'm getting E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 13:31.53 | Guest78345 | E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
| 13:31.53 | Guest78345 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.03 | freax | run apt-get update? |
| 13:32.07 | Guest78345 | done |
| 13:32.14 | themill | Guest78345: stop pasting into the channel.... and put the entire output in a pastebin. |
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| 13:32.49 | Guest78345 | (bit of a noob, only been using debian for a couple of months, sorry) |
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| 13:33.40 | darsie | It seems babilen suggested to me to aptitude purge '~i !?or(~pstandard, ~prequired, ~pimportant)' ? Can someone look at the dependency conflicts this causes: http://paste.debian.net/5333/ |
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| 13:34.43 | Guest78345 | http://pastebin.com/MK5W0UAM |
| 13:35.02 | Guest78345 | that's the problem |
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| 13:35.38 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest78345 about wheezy sources.list |
| 13:35.48 | themill | your entry for wheezy/updates is incorrect |
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| 13:36.10 | ragedragon | hello the room, does one of you know please why i have got this error during the debconf 1.5.50 upgrade? http://pastebin.com/DTCFHL33 |
| 13:36.19 | Guest78345 | what should it be then? |
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| 13:36.44 | themill | Guest78345: what dpkg told you |
| 13:38.26 | Guest78345 | http://paste.debian.net/5336/ don't see what the problem is with wheezy/updates? It's a list generated by netselect-apt |
| 13:39.18 | themill | line 7 is wrong |
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| 13:40.52 | Guest78345 | what should I correct it with(sorry, I've only been using debian for a couple of months) |
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| 13:41.41 | dvs | Guest78345: c'mon! look at line 5 |
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| 13:42.18 | Guest78345 | ok, / needs to be - ? makes sense now |
| 13:42.43 | Guest78345 | is that pebcak or may there be a problem with netselect-apt? |
| 13:42.54 | themill | no |
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| 13:43.04 | themill | Guest78345, dvs: look at line 4 |
| 13:43.19 | themill | Guest78345: wheezy/updates is on security.debian.org |
| 13:44.01 | Guest78345 | and there can't be a second mirror? |
| 13:44.26 | themill | there are a few mirrors for security.debian.org, but do you trust them to keep up to date? |
| 13:44.26 | dvs | themill: That's what I have for security.debian.org |
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| 13:46.45 | Guest78345 | I'm a bit confused |
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| 13:49.17 | jpinx | Guest78345: lines 4, 5 and 7 are all trying to do something about updates -- make up your mind which is correct |
| 13:49.45 | Guest78345 | but they're all slightly different, no? |
| 13:49.57 | Guest78345 | 7 is sources |
| 13:50.14 | themill | 7 is pointing to something that doesn't exist |
| 13:50.32 | Guest78345 | so commenting out 7 should do the trick? |
| 13:51.18 | Guest78345 | tried it, no errors this time |
| 13:51.53 | Guest78345 | can anyone explain to me why line 7 was added by netselect-apt in the first place? |
| 13:52.10 | freax | it decided to make your day more interesting |
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| 13:55.03 | Guest78345 | now back to my real problem: I'm trying to install freecad, and it says on their website it should be available from aptitude, but it's not, that's why I tried updating it |
| 13:55.38 | jpinx | Guest78345: blindly copying is not enough, you need at least a basic understanding or wht sources.list is trying to do for you |
| 13:55.40 | themill | freecad is not in wheezy |
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| 13:55.47 | Guest78345 | adding the ppa http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Install_on_Unix wasn't succesfull |
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| 13:57.17 | Guest78345 | thx jpinx, I'll read up on that during the holiday(it was a heavy semester for me) |
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| 13:57.25 | jpinx | judd versions freecad |
| 13:57.26 | judd | Package: freecad on i386 -- squeeze: 0.10.3247.dfsg-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.12.5284-dfsg-4+b1; sid: 0.13.1830-dfsg-1 |
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| 13:58.37 | jpinx | Guest78345: ^^ |
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| 13:59.08 | themill | (I don't know why freecad is in w-p-u -- it's not going to be accepted in to wheezy) |
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| 14:00.36 | Guest78345 | @themill: why wouldn't it? |
| 14:01.35 | jhutchins_wk | Guest78345: Incompatible license. |
| 14:01.40 | themill | Wheezy is stable. New packages aren't going to be added to it. Also that package doesn't seem to be in the Packages file so I don't know where judd got that idea from |
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| 14:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | People have been uploading it to staging servers and discussing it on the mailing lists. |
| 14:02.44 | btorch | anyone here able to help me with a multipath issue ? |
| 14:03.04 | jhutchins_wk | There was a request to post it to backports, but it was turned down. |
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| 14:03.18 | jhutchins_wk | btorch: Possibly. |
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| 14:03.35 | unkmar | Sorry, My install is too damaged for me to bother asking my question. Back in a few days when I've had a chance to fix it. |
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| 14:03.51 | Guest78345 | so any other cad program with a compatible license that can do stl? I have a friend with a reprap, but I'm not a fan of sketchup |
| 14:04.11 | btorch | here it goes then :) I have multipath up and working fine it seems but I can't get the drives to mount on boot time |
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| 14:04.29 | themill | Guest78345: librecad |
| 14:04.35 | abrotman | themill: is that where backports go also? |
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| 14:04.46 | themill | abrotman: no |
| 14:04.50 | btorch | it's as if the module or perpahs multipath is not ready so the system complains about not finding mpathX devices |
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| 14:05.01 | gerryy78 | http://xemilyratajkowski.blogspot.com/2013/05/emily-ratajkowski-hot-photo-collection.html |
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| 14:05.53 | btorch | I have checked the initrd (unpacked it) and the modules are there |
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| 14:06.04 | jelly | btorch: which debian release? pastebin the output of "multipath -d -ll", and "blkid", for a start |
| 14:06.05 | btorch | even tried a lower kernel version just to see |
| 14:06.17 | jelly | btorch: are you trying to boot from a multipath device? |
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| 14:06.30 | Guest78345 | tried librecad, but it doesn't seem to support stl |
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| 14:06.46 | btorch | jelly: no, trying to mount secondary devices (DAS) |
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| 14:06.53 | ueb | hi guys |
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| 14:07.08 | Trae32566-NE | hola |
| 14:07.28 | jelly | btorch: fc? Rebuilt the initramfs after having firmware installed? |
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| 14:08.11 | ueb | I need to migrate a debian virtual server from a cloud provider to another... I'm thinking about using RSYNC, for avoiding reinstall reconfiguring the entire stack... what do you think? |
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| 14:08.29 | btorch | haven't done any firmware updates .. I was told the the firmware on these DELL devices are the latest, I also don't have the proper access to the DAS to perform such right now |
| 14:09.01 | jelly | btorch: which hba are you using. |
| 14:10.15 | btorch | a dell 6gps HBA , the LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID SAS 2208 .. this is on wheezy btw |
| 14:10.34 | jimcooncat | On a standard install (cli-only), how do I keep the screen from blanking out? I'm running it in a vm. |
| 14:10.35 | jelly | oh, mpath with sas. |
| 14:10.40 | btorch | I'm now in the process of generating .deb pkgs from rpms to get the tools working |
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| 14:12.02 | abrotman | jimcooncat: setterm |
| 14:13.25 | btorch | jelly: what would like me to do with blkid ? I tried looking up an UUID from one of the mpath devices but found nothing |
| 14:13.48 | btorch | http://pastebin.ca/2379271 |
| 14:13.51 | jelly | btorch: look at whether any of the paths for the relevant LUNs are visible |
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| 14:14.14 | btorch | yes they are, I can mount them fine after the boot process is over |
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| 14:14.51 | jelly | multipath output looks fine (for rdac-based storage) |
| 14:14.53 | btorch | like for example .. /dev/mapper/mpath1-part1 til /dev/mapper/mpath59-part1 are all mounted |
| 14:15.20 | jelly | btorch: why do you use partitions on mpath devices? |
| 14:15.40 | ueb | I need to migrate a debian virtual server from a cloud provider to another... I'm thinking about using RSYNC, for avoiding reinstall reconfiguring the entire stack... what do you think? |
| 14:15.40 | jelly | (question unrelated to your issue) |
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| 14:16.10 | btorch | but if I leave them on fstab without the noauto, the box hangs trying to mount |
| 14:16.39 | btorch | jelly: I was following instructions , why wouldn't have them ? these are raid0 devices |
| 14:16.40 | jelly | btorch: with 59 devices, and 108 paths, it's going to take some time for all of them to initialize. Would be nice to see the boot log. |
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| 14:17.13 | jimcooncat | nm, found it in console-tools |
| 14:17.22 | jelly | btorch: because partitioning makes it very hard to resize LUNs and use the new sizes, online. |
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| 14:18.18 | jelly | btorch: it's usually better to use the LUN directly, either to make a fs on it, or use it as a LVM PV |
| 14:18.51 | btorch | jelly: there are no intentions of resizing, this was supposed to be a simple jbod setup but "sales people" decided to buy an MD32XX instead of an MD12XX |
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| 14:19.12 | btorch | jelly: I see |
| 14:19.28 | liao_ | hi,guys! |
| 14:19.33 | btorch | jelly: so no real need to have the partition created |
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| 14:21.33 | btorch | I guess my main issue now is being able to get these mounted during boot time ... I guess on next setup I get things setup more properly withouth partitions |
| 14:22.41 | btorch | I even tried this rootdelay option |
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| 14:27.16 | jelly | btorch: but these are not root fs. |
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| 14:28.09 | raccoon_ | is it possible to make "apt-get source -b <package>" perform "apt-get build-dep <package>" automatically before building? |
| 14:28.16 | raccoon_ | as in not having to do it in separate steps |
| 14:28.34 | jelly | btorch: care to pastebin your /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 14:29.42 | btorch | jelly: give me a few moments |
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| 14:30.12 | jelly | btorch: it would be nice to see just how much time it takes for all the paths to appear |
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| 14:32.47 | jay10 | Can any one suggest me an console only ftp client that can resume downloads? |
| 14:33.25 | Quibus | ncftp |
| 14:33.34 | jay10 | ok thanks. |
| 14:33.51 | Quibus | he program tries to ``resume'' downloads by default. |
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| 14:34.26 | ksuhku | jay10, how bout wget |
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| 14:35.29 | mumpitze1 | jay10: lftp and ncftp both |
| 14:35.32 | jay10 | for wget to resume download do i need to pass special params |
| 14:35.40 | ksuhku | yes, -c |
| 14:35.41 | mumpitze1 | yes. wget -c usually |
| 14:36.05 | mumpitze1 | ncftp and lftp ask. but are both ncurses. if you want a simple commandline download, try ncftpget |
| 14:36.07 | apm1 | wget -c <link to the stuff> |
| 14:36.30 | jay10 | ok. will give them all a try to see wich one fits my requirment. Thanks pp; |
| 14:36.32 | jay10 | ppl |
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| 14:37.06 | ksuhku | yw |
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| 14:44.19 | Quibus | see you |
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| 14:46.35 | zoso | Hi, I am running debian wheezy. I have a nvidia graphics card. I have installed nouveau but I can't boot my machine without nomodeset, as the screen goes black, I have disabled i915. How do I fix this? From the wiki I know that nomodeset should not be set if nouveau has to be used |
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| 14:47.58 | mumpitze1 | zoso: do you use a laptop with optimus? |
| 14:48.55 | zoso | mumpitze1, I don't know whether it is optimus or not |
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| 14:49.34 | mumpitze1 | is it a notebook? |
| 14:49.46 | drhouse123 | zoso: you can know about it running lspci | grep VGA |
| 14:49.48 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | hi, is there e17 in debian, I can't find it in: |
| 14:49.53 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | * aptitude search |
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| 14:50.00 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | * my search engine |
| 14:50.05 | zoso | mumpitze1, it is a thinkpad e430 |
| 14:50.12 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | *debian website |
| 14:50.19 | mumpitze1 | ,version e17 |
| 14:50.20 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.16.999.70492-2; sid: 0.16.999.70492-2 |
| 14:50.27 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | ok let me try |
| 14:50.34 | mumpitze1 | GNUtoo-N71JQ: so the answer is no for debian stable |
| 14:50.40 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | ah ok |
| 14:51.00 | mumpitze1 | zoso: yes it is optimus. |
| 14:51.03 | msl09 | Guys, do you know a good ms word to <any sane format> converter? |
| 14:51.05 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | what should I do then? I wonder what other DM is usable on the GTA04 smartphone |
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| 14:51.26 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | thanks for the info btw |
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| 14:51.37 | drhouse123 | zoso: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/ |
| 14:51.40 | lokote_jones | When I upgrade from Debian 6 to Debian 7; will it load my nvidia drivers or will I need to redo the nvidia installation after the dist-upgrade is done? |
| 14:51.43 | mumpitze1 | zoso: you might be able to work with vgaswitcheroo. but you'd have to write the scripts yourself |
| 14:52.04 | mumpitze1 | lokote_jones: did you use drivers downloaded from nvidia.com? |
| 14:52.13 | _aeris_ | ohai #debian ! |
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| 14:52.22 | lokote_jones | mumpitze1: I don't believe so. I got them from the non-free section of Debian. |
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| 14:52.26 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | lokote_jones, if it's the proprietary drivers I guess that you'll have to redo it |
| 14:52.39 | mumpitze1 | lokote_jones: then it should be fine. the drivers should be updated then normally |
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| 14:52.50 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | ah if it's part of debian, maybe not |
| 14:52.51 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | sorry |
| 14:52.55 | zoso | drhouse123, mumpitze1 thanks, but why all this hassle |
| 14:52.58 | p2 | Is there any way to donate money towards fixing specific bugs? To get those bugs prioritized? |
| 14:53.00 | lokote_jones | mumpitze1: Thank you. GNUtoo-N71JQ: Thank you. Hopefully I will be sitting pretty on Deb 7 by tonight. |
| 14:53.10 | mumpitze1 | zoso: cause nvidia doesn't support optimus for linux in any way |
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| 14:53.39 | apm1 | in 2011 fall there were rumors however that they are working on it |
| 14:53.41 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | mumpitze1, do you know any DM with right-click emulation? |
| 14:53.44 | mumpitze1 | linux developers have to reverse engineer it, which is painfully slow |
| 14:53.48 | _aeris_ | is there anybody here using amd proprietary drivers ? |
| 14:53.56 | _aeris_ | seems there is a memory leak |
| 14:54.09 | _aeris_ | X take 550MB and counting on my computer |
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| 14:54.18 | zoso | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.30 | _aeris_ | after 10hours, RAMÂ and swap are full (~20GB), and computer freeze |
| 14:54.32 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: i'm using nvidia prop from experimental |
| 14:54.45 | boudiccas | where is 'MailTo = root' set please? i need to change it for a new added user |
| 14:55.00 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | zoso, wow nice, so it's in nouveau then? |
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| 14:55.20 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: xorg eats 27 mb now |
| 14:55.35 | _aeris_ | 561MB… |
| 14:55.45 | _aeris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.46 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: what driver you using ? |
| 14:55.50 | _aeris_ | fglrx |
| 14:56.07 | _aeris_ | http://paste.imirhil.fr/?3ef52b2091e33372#i5dlHz5/PXsU6OLg28wdsnK+HiY7I1ROuLFqCAD2nsU= |
| 14:56.20 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: from stable or testing? |
| 14:56.32 | _aeris_ | testing |
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| 14:56.35 | _aeris_ | 13X |
| 14:56.45 | _aeris_ | here the last pmap output on X : http://paste.imirhil.fr/?74fe0ab6dddf9ef6#n7RQ1u+N3BqxxAkitVxXtMVBFX9X397LSfJngcUENYo= |
| 14:57.40 | _aeris_ | and my xorg.conf http://paste.imirhil.fr/?da435ae59ae2c007#q31GwP4Q6wXoO2kedFVO2J+MRE6T+ZJerMtXpVYW/0Y= |
| 14:57.49 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | ah and I need a software keyboard also |
| 14:58.11 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | xfce seem the default debian desktop |
| 14:58.14 | zoso | GNUtoo-N71JQ, not yet I guess |
| 14:58.21 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | ok |
| 14:58.53 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: you need send bugreport then |
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| 15:00.10 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: did you try using fglrx from experimental ? there is a latest version of driver |
| 15:00.41 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: but it may be broken too |
| 15:01.01 | _aeris_ | drhouse123 > i see no new version on experimental |
| 15:01.17 | _aeris_ | lastest reported by apt is 1:13.4-2 |
| 15:01.22 | _aeris_ | which is my version |
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| 15:01.54 | _aeris_ | version of testing and unstable |
| 15:04.27 | _aeris_ | i do CUDA and OpenCL with my GPU |
| 15:04.31 | _aeris_ | could it be related ? |
| 15:05.00 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: yes |
| 15:05.07 | mumpitze1 | you certainly don't do any CUDA with an ati card |
| 15:05.17 | _aeris_ | opencl :D |
| 15:05.29 | _aeris_ | cuda is for my nvidia just near my ati :D |
| 15:05.41 | drhouse123 | _aeris_: i guess, because cuda is technology from nvidia |
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| 15:06.34 | drhouse123 | cuda on ati should not working usually |
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| 15:13.34 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | -> there is no xorg-input-tslib driver so I ended up using evdev |
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| 15:13.44 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | now there is xinput |
| 15:13.51 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | but no xinput_calibrator |
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| 15:17.49 | pagios | hello i am trying to export some variables in @reboot in a crotnab, for some reasons these varialbes are not being exported, if i do env > /tmp/myenv.txt the varialbes are not showing there any ideaS? |
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| 15:21.29 | ueb | hey people, what's your suggestion for migrating a Debian VPS on another provider? I'm thinking about RSYNC, for avoiding reinstalling+reconfiguring the entire stack |
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| 15:31.12 | zlude | Hello! i need to update my php to the latest version without upgrade my debian version. "5.0.9" Yes! i can't update it! i need to install php in latest version with this OS version. Any ideas? the problem is the dependencies. I'm trying to install using dotdeb. someone can help me? |
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| 15:32.39 | mumpitze1 | !dotdeb |
| 15:32.41 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 15:33.05 | mumpitze1 | zlude: your debian is EOL too, for a long time. it will have various security holes, especially as a webserver with php |
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| 15:34.20 | zlude | mumpitze1: its a internal server that server a php application. |
| 15:34.34 | zlude | mumpitze1: no problems with security holes. just need to update. |
| 15:34.36 | zlude | php |
| 15:34.37 | themill | zlude: I'm afraid I have trouble buying the "I can't update it" and the "I want to update PHP on it" in the same sentence. Either you can't update it or you can, especially when it comes to something like php which is so much of a moving target |
| 15:35.06 | mumpitze1 | and since it's an internal server and not something like a VPS, you can easily upgrade the debian on it |
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| 15:35.46 | Phil-Work | who needs more than php 4 anyway? |
| 15:36.00 | zlude | yeah |
| 15:36.05 | wooy | Hi, is there a way to find out what process contribute to load average (as reported by top)? |
| 15:36.10 | zlude | latest version for application testings. |
| 15:36.30 | Phil-Work | this OO lark is overrated |
| 15:36.56 | Phil-Work | wooy, only really the processes that are sitting at the top of `top` |
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| 15:37.20 | Phil-Work | in terms of processes that have contributed and have stopped doing so, you can't |
| 15:37.39 | wooy | Phil-Work: thats the think, there is only one process consuming 15-35% of cpu time |
| 15:37.48 | wooy | s/think/thing |
| 15:38.07 | Phil-Work | wooy, what are your loads? |
| 15:38.16 | wooy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.26 | Phil-Work | how many cores are there? |
| 15:38.31 | Phil-Work | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:38.44 | wooy | Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) |
| 15:38.45 | wooy | BogoMIPS : 1006.38 |
| 15:38.45 | wooy | Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 |
| 15:38.45 | wooy | CPU implementer : 0x41 |
| 15:38.45 | wooy | CPU architecture: 7 |
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| 15:40.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell wooy about paste |
| 15:40.08 | wooy | oops, should think twice |
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| 15:40.21 | jelly | wooy: what's that, an allwinner cpu? |
| 15:40.40 | wooy | yeah |
| 15:40.55 | jelly | what's your minimum cpufreq set to? |
| 15:41.08 | wooy | its performance governor at 1 ghz |
| 15:41.18 | wooy | I think IO could be the problem |
| 15:41.22 | jelly | oh, that's fine then |
| 15:41.59 | jelly | wooy: use "atop" or "top" to have a glance at cpu usage per process |
| 15:43.02 | wooy | transmission is #1, then ksoftirqd/0 #2 and samba daemon #3 |
| 15:43.14 | wooy | transmission by far consumed the most time |
| 15:43.28 | wooy | but never really cross 50% mark when i check it |
| 15:44.02 | wooy | right now the system is idling with transmiision on 6 % and average load is 1.22 :( |
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| 15:44.35 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | wooy, what's your machine? |
| 15:45.03 | dvs | wooy: What's wrong with a load of 1.22? |
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| 15:46.26 | RafaelK | folks knows somebody sid repo for raspbian |
| 15:46.29 | RafaelK | ? |
| 15:46.44 | RafaelK | or can i use debians sid? |
| 15:47.26 | ciscoswitch | RafaelK: make sure you use ARM |
| 15:47.33 | RafaelK | yes |
| 15:47.48 | AciD` | hi, I have a samba problem since upgrading to debian 7 ; whenever I try to initiata a second file transfer toward my debian server, while there is already a file transfering, both transfer gets disconnected. Is that a known bug and is there a solution ? |
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| 15:48.16 | ciscoswitch | define transfer a file |
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| 15:49.06 | SunnySeal | helo |
| 15:49.12 | SunnySeal | ok i have traked down the problem |
| 15:49.23 | SunnySeal | nautilus uses 40% cpu |
| 15:49.44 | SunnySeal | in gnome shel when the filemanager handle desktop is ON |
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| 15:51.56 | chiel | so i installed x + xbmc... but video playback seems to be a bit choppy, even though i installed my drivers |
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| 15:53.18 | chiel | it's 1080p video, but it should be able to do it realy. |
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| 15:53.25 | chiel | i have an e450 chipset |
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| 15:56.27 | MachinaeWolf | If you have alsa and pulse installed is there a way to make everything just use pulse? |
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| 15:57.41 | SunnySeal | so wats the deal |
| 15:57.48 | SunnySeal | how do i fix this slowness |
| 15:58.00 | SunnySeal | gnome3 cant manage desktop now either |
| 15:58.11 | SunnySeal | what exactly can gnome3 do |
| 15:58.12 | wooy | GNUtoo-N71JQ: cubieboard, allwinner A10 cpu |
| 15:58.19 | SunnySeal | besides sucking ass |
| 15:58.22 | jelly | RafaelK: you can't mix debian and raspbian, that way lies pain and suffering |
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| 15:58.40 | wooy | dvs: 1.22 sounds high, should not be there something like 0.3 in idle |
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| 15:58.58 | jelly | RafaelK: best to ask in #raspbian I guess |
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| 15:59.29 | jelly | wooy: no 1.22 sounds like a normal load for a slow single-core machine |
| 15:59.32 | RafaelK | yes sorry it was wrong tab in my irc client |
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| 16:00.07 | jelly | wooy: 5-10 would be something to raise an eyebrow about |
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| 16:00.25 | jelly | in short, your machine is not idle |
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| 16:00.47 | wooy | jelly: hm, in that case it seems good. |
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| 16:00.53 | jelly | *nod* :-) |
| 16:00.59 | AbortRetryFail | I found a production box running etch here, would I be opening a pandora's box of nightmares by attempting a dist-upgrade to wheezy? |
| 16:01.19 | jelly | AbortRetryFail: yes. release upgrades are done one release at a time. |
| 16:01.25 | wooy | one more question, what would you set as global max limit for connections in transmission |
| 16:01.34 | jelly | AbortRetryFail: etch->lenny, lenny->squeeze, squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:01.44 | AbortRetryFail | ouch |
| 16:01.45 | AbortRetryFail | thanks jelly |
| 16:02.03 | jelly | AbortRetryFail: and you'd read the release notes for each successive upgrade |
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| 16:02.21 | MachinaeWolf | Any ideas on the sound issue? |
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| 16:03.25 | SunnySeal | lol jelly |
| 16:04.26 | AbortRetryFail | skim the release notes, got it. ;) |
| 16:04.38 | jelly | not skim. |
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| 16:05.48 | imox | hello can someone help to configure raid 1? |
| 16:05.54 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | ok |
| 16:06.07 | awc737 | anyone know about this? |
| 16:06.08 | awc737 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.09 | awc737 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.17 | _aeris_ | 00007fd31249f000 2689344K rw--- [ anon ] |
| 16:06.19 | _aeris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.21 | _aeris_ | uhu :D |
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| 16:06.28 | _aeris_ | 3.5GB for X11Â :) |
| 16:06.32 | awc737 | my kernel is half installed? |
| 16:06.40 | _aeris_ | beautiful leak :D |
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| 16:06.57 | jelly | awc737: pastebin the full output of "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 16:07.08 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | wooy, how well does it run debian? |
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| 16:07.26 | AciD` | ciscoswitch > using dolphin, I moved a file from my linux laptop (kubuntu), to my debian 7 server, via smb |
| 16:07.51 | awc737 | jelly, how do I get output from that? |
| 16:07.55 | awc737 | it's just silent executing |
| 16:08.07 | saptech | greetins all |
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| 16:08.26 | jelly | awc737: it displays output when it's doing anything |
| 16:08.42 | jelly | something* |
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| 16:09.08 | awc737 | jelly, well, then thats all the output |
| 16:09.09 | awc737 | no lines |
| 16:09.56 | msl09 | I have put the sources for sid in my wheezy installation and then removed it, however whenever I update my package list I apt-get downloads sid's diffs. |
| 16:09.57 | jelly | awc737: does it exit, or just hang there? |
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| 16:11.13 | msl09 | imox, Try this http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 16:11.29 | grn | when I enable user_readenv in pam_env I get "-bash: id: command not found" when logging in |
| 16:11.32 | grn | any ideas? |
| 16:11.42 | wooy | GNUtoo-N71JQ: imo very well. However I installed it using debootstrap, so it gave me bare system and I had to add basic stuff (e.g. loopback) etc. |
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| 16:12.30 | bryanp | dpkg: Is there a flag to answer questions w/ defaults? |
| 16:12.32 | dpkg | bryanp: are you using Windows? |
| 16:12.35 | awc737 | jelly, it exists |
| 16:12.39 | awc737 | seems to execute the command fine |
| 16:12.44 | imox | msl09: yes I red much but I don't know whats my problem. I have md0 for the system and md1 for swap and my swap raid partition will not be sync. |
| 16:12.47 | awc737 | apt-get update, or apt-get install is what's producing that error |
| 16:13.00 | imox | I tried it with ubuntu and it works fine, but I want use debian |
| 16:13.07 | jelly | !tell awc737 about bat |
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| 16:13.19 | msl09 | No idea then |
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| 16:14.21 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/sxA+ |
| 16:14.22 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/sxA |
| 16:15.04 | bryanp | Is there a flag to answer dpkg questions w/ defaults? |
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| 16:16.04 | jelly | awc737: can you provide all the stuff dpkg told you in the private message? |
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| 16:16.40 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | wooy, yes I just did the same on my gta04 |
| 16:16.49 | awc737 | I don't know how jelly |
| 16:16.53 | awc737 | what are you looking for specifically? |
| 16:17.02 | awc737 | what do you imagine it means having my linux image half installed |
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| 16:18.04 | exarkun | Starting this morning (on a Debian stable install that's months old), a little while after I log into my X session, I can no longer use my ssh agent. |
| 16:18.20 | exarkun | The agent is still running, a process with $SSH_AGENT_PID exists |
| 16:18.53 | exarkun | But `sudo fuser $SSH_AUTH_SOCK´ shows ssh-agent doesn't have that file open |
| 16:19.15 | exarkun | instead, `sudo lsof -p $SSH_AGENT_PID´ shows me it has another file open |
| 16:19.33 | exarkun | The auth socket filenames don't follow the same pattern, either |
| 16:20.05 | exarkun | eg right now, ssh-agent has /tmp/ssh-UNNmq11173/agent.11173 open and $SSH_AUTH_SOCK is /tmp/keyring-Le126s/ssh |
| 16:20.07 | grn | what's the format of pam_environment file? man pam_env says that lines are of the form KEY=VALUE. Can I use variable interpolation there? |
| 16:20.16 | exarkun | Anybody have any clues for me? |
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| 16:24.06 | jelly | awc737: "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" |
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| 16:28.42 | meLon_mobile | Hey guys. I modified my LVM partition's filesystem code when trying to fix warnings regarding meta data. The LVM contained my root partition on an encrypted volume. When I rebooted the machine, it was unable to completely boot. Since then, I have removed the HDD and installed linux on a new HDD. I have the old HDD plugged in and I am trying to recover the data. pvscan reports there is a problem with metadata (same issue I had b |
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| 16:29.24 | meLon_mobile | The problem I face is that the partition isn't assigned to a PV when looking at pvdisplay. |
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| 16:31.05 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: it is much better to ask questions about recovery to the mailing list. |
| 16:31.41 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: also partitions are not "assigned" to a PV, that's the wrong way of looking at things. |
| 16:31.57 | MachinaeWolf | What do you people suggest I do to fix some apps hogging up all the sound, I know it's an alsa issue but that's all I know |
| 16:32.18 | Walex2 | Walex: any partition that contains an LVM superblock/metadata contains a PV. |
| 16:32.42 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: that's the deaded 'dmix'/'dsnoop' issue. You need to setup ALSA library sharing. |
| 16:33.01 | meLon_mobile | Thanks Walex2. I just wanted to explain that pvdisplay has no text next to PV |
| 16:33.03 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: any partition that contains an LVM superblock/metadata contains a PV. |
| 16:33.12 | MachinaeWolf | hmm how do I do that Walex2? |
| 16:33.52 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#share |
| 16:34.03 | bryanp | Is there a flag to answer dpkg questions w/ defaults? |
| 16:34.04 | meLon_mobile | Walex2. I believe that that is the reason it is not found under /dev/mapper/ |
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| 16:34.27 | grn | I created a tool that makes rm's revertible. I'd like to package it in Debian but before that I'd like to perform some testing. The tool is available at https://github.com/grn/careless. Any comments are welcome. |
| 16:34.44 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: if the PV superblock is not present inside a partition, and should be there, then you are in trouble. |
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| 16:34.58 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: the question is whether the encryption comes before or after. |
| 16:35.01 | MachinaeWolf | k thanks Walex2 I'll check that out |
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| 16:35.17 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: however it is a long story, so please write for help to the DM/LVM2 mailing list. |
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| 16:35.47 | Walex2 | grn: are you aware that there are various tools that already do something like that? |
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| 16:36.42 | grn | Walex2: I didn't find anything. Could you recommend some? |
| 16:36.44 | meLon_mobile | Rgr Walex2 |
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| 16:38.56 | Walex2 | grn: 'safe remove' and others.... |
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| 16:39.34 | meLon_mobile | Walex2 linux-lvm@redhat.com ? |
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| 16:40.05 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: can't remember, but that seems the right one |
| 16:40.14 | jelly | meLon_mobile: there's also a #lvm channel |
| 16:40.17 | bryanp | anybody have any inside on my question? Help would be greatly appreciated :) |
| 16:40.20 | Walex2 | grn: but yours is a wrapper, so it is interesting. |
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| 16:40.49 | Walex2 | bryanp: every now and then you should repeat the whole text of your question... |
| 16:41.17 | grn | Walex2: did you mean the safe-rm package? |
| 16:41.33 | mtn | bryanp: I don't, but then I don't understand your question either. What defaults? Have you read the man page carefully? |
| 16:41.37 | bryanp | Walex2: Is there a flag to answer dpkg questions w/ defaults? |
| 16:41.40 | MachinaeWolf | Walex2 how do I check which of these is the issue http://pastebin.com/3qrn5sWF ? |
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| 16:42.12 | bryanp | mtn: I'm installing elasticsearch via a deb package. It asks two questions. I want it not to ask any questions so I can puppet the process. |
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| 16:43.19 | mtn | bryanp: really hard for anyone to answer your questions like this, but: what are the questions? |
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| 16:44.40 | bryanp | mtn: I create the two config files prior to installing, so when installing it asks if I want to replace the configs, or leave them. |
| 16:45.00 | mtn | bryanp: and have you looked hard at the man page? |
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| 16:45.14 | bryanp | man page of what? elasticsearch? |
| 16:45.25 | bryanp | Or dpkg? I looked at dpkg |
| 16:45.26 | mtn | bryanp: dpkg, of course |
| 16:45.44 | abrotman | bryanp: debconf --set-selections perhaps |
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| 16:46.08 | Walex2 | bryanp: preseeding |
| 16:46.25 | Walex2 | bryanp: or you can lower the level of questions you get asked |
| 16:46.30 | bryanp | I tried debconf-get-selections | grep elasticsearch, but that returns nothing |
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| 16:47.18 | mtn | bryanp: would --force help in this case? |
| 16:47.24 | abrotman | bryanp: /win 3 |
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| 16:47.41 | bryanp | mtn: I'll try all of the above. Thanks for the starters everybody :) |
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| 16:48.26 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: well, virtually no card supports hw mixing, and to check which processes access it you use 'lsof', and use 'ldd' so see if they use the ALSA library. |
| 16:48.31 | grn | Is variable interpolation supported in .pam_environment? |
| 16:48.43 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: also from your question you are not using a sound server. |
| 16:48.53 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: but perhaps you don't know. |
| 16:49.06 | MachinaeWolf | Well I have sound and alsa and pulse installed |
| 16:49.12 | MachinaeWolf | are installed* |
| 16:49.46 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: then PulseAudio is a sound server and you need to do a stupid 'etc/asound.conf' trick to redirect ALSA sound to it, and viceversa. |
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| 16:51.09 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
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| 16:51.34 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: this might help, many other similar pages: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497&start=45 |
| 16:52.07 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
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| 16:52.40 | freaxeh | is midnight commander in the stnadard deb 6.0 repositories? |
| 16:52.47 | freaxeh | standard* |
| 16:53.11 | freaxeh | ah mn |
| 16:53.12 | freaxeh | nm |
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| 16:53.38 | mtn | freaxeh: packages.debian.org |
| 16:53.40 | grn | Walex2: I didn't manage to find anything more than safe-rm. My tool is a little bit different because it logs all rm's an actually changes them to mv's, so they can be reverted. |
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| 16:53.53 | freaxeh | ty |
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| 16:55.02 | blocky2 | anyone know how i can get better battery life from my sandy bridge laptop? i have powertop open but it says laptop fan, cinnamon and chrome are the top 3 power users, and I can't really close any of them |
| 16:55.07 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: basically you need to use the ALSA library plugin "pulse" to redirect all ALSA incoming sound to PulseAudio, and then configure PulseAudio to use 'dmix' and 'dsnoop'. |
| 16:55.12 | MachinaeWolf | hmm, should I change the etc/asound.conf to just use alsa, it was set to default to pulse by default? |
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| 16:55.57 | MachinaeWolf | ok.. |
| 16:56.03 | webdawg_ | I have installed a new copy of debian wheezy in xen and I cannot login as root. I have went as far as editing the shadow file. Any hints? |
| 16:56.39 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: no, to use PulseAudio, that's fine. You probably need to change PulseAudio's 'default.pa' (and perhaps 'system.pa') so it uses 'dmix' and 'dsnoop'. |
| 16:57.03 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: 'load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix' |
| 16:57.18 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: and 'load-module module-alsa-source device=dsnoop' |
| 16:57.49 | Walex2 | or whatever ALSA library pseudo devices support device sharing. You can list ALSA library pseudo-devices with 'aplay -L' |
| 16:58.10 | MachinaeWolf | Run the module stuff in the terminal or add that to a config file? |
| 16:58.26 | Walex2 | blocky2: and what's the power drain? |
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| 16:58.33 | blocky2 | #1? laptop fan |
| 16:58.41 | Walex2 | blocky2: 'powertop' tells you, and 'acpitool -B' also tells you? |
| 16:58.53 | Walex2 | blocky2: in Wah |
| 16:59.16 | blocky2 | do i need to install acpitool? |
| 16:59.23 | Walex2 | blocky2: blocky2 if you want... |
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| 17:00.11 | blocky2 | so maybe this is a coincidence but I just did apt-get install laptop-mode-tools and now powertop won't start |
| 17:00.21 | MachinaeWolf | Walex2 if you want to see it http://pastebin.com/JjwZkBWi |
| 17:00.23 | blocky2 | :/ |
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| 17:00.42 | meLon_mobile | Walex2 I should have said that pvdisplay doesn't show a VG for the pv. I am writing up an email to the mailing list, but I wanted to let you know that I misspoke earlier |
| 17:01.16 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: but does it show some information about the PV itself? |
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| 17:01.49 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: probably one of those pseudo devices has ALSA library sharing built in. |
| 17:02.24 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: recent ALSA library releases do that. I'll check I have a similar setup on a PC. |
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| 17:03.48 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
| 17:04.56 | meLon_mobile | Yes. Are you part of the mailing list of would you like me to pastebin this email so that you can read it? |
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| 17:05.02 | meLon_mobile | or would* |
| 17:05.11 | blocky2 | is there a way to get a version of powertop newer than 2.0-0.3? |
| 17:05.18 | blocky2 | in debian 7 i mean |
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| 17:05.31 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: yes, they do, so 'pcm.default' should work. |
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| 17:05.37 | bwat48 | powertop 2.0.0.3 in debian is totally b0rked, it crashes whenever you open it on battery, pretty ridiculos :/ |
| 17:06.03 | blocky2 | lol bwat48 that's what I'm experiencing |
| 17:06.15 | bwat48 | blocky2, there's been a bug report for months too but nothing was done |
| 17:06.20 | blocky2 | hmm |
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| 17:06.37 | MachinaeWolf | checking the /etc/pulse/default.pa file |
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| 17:07.04 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: do something like 'aplay -D aplay -D pcm.default |
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| 17:07.19 | bwat48 | blocky2, and it looks like sid has the same version so looks like you'd have to compile it |
| 17:07.24 | blocky2 | bwat48, can i just apt-get remove and compile it myself? |
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| 17:07.33 | bwat48 | blocky2, yeah |
| 17:07.33 | blocky2 | surely the powertop team has fixed it? |
| 17:07.44 | bwat48 | blocky2, the debian bug report says its fixed in 2.2.x |
| 17:07.46 | MachinaeWolf | hmm is it supposed to hang while doing that? |
| 17:07.58 | MachinaeWolf | the terminal that is |
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| 17:09.13 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: it is trying to read some sound sample input... You should specify an input file. |
| 17:09.36 | blocky2 | bleh is there a way to get make to generate a list of dependency packages for apt? |
| 17:10.31 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: like 'aplay -D pcm.default /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' |
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| 17:10.53 | MachinaeWolf | ah |
| 17:11.14 | blocky2 | nm found it, apt-get build-dep |
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| 17:12.10 | MachinaeWolf | k, that made noise Walex2 |
| 17:12.38 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: then it works and probably you should have it in the PulseAudio conf as both souce and sink |
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| 17:13.24 | Walex2 | blocky2: and what does 'acpitool -B' say? If it less then 8-10Amps you are doing well. |
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| 17:13.39 | meLon_mobile | Walex2: http://pastie.org/private/o4feu78a43yr8zha8o6pyg Thanks for all your help |
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| 17:14.17 | blocky2 | between 13-18 W |
| 17:14.32 | blocky2 | I got powertop compiled |
| 17:14.54 | blocky2 | Laptop fan is on top, followed by cinnamon |
| 17:15.09 | blocky2 | then PS2 touchpad |
| 17:15.22 | blocky2 | oh and Xorg is now in there above cinnamon |
| 17:15.23 | Walex2 | blocky2: what's on top does not matter a lot... |
| 17:15.31 | blocky2 | oh i thought it was a sorted list... |
| 17:15.39 | mumpitze1 | blocky2: which debian do you run? |
| 17:15.42 | Walex2 | blocky2: interrupts per second does not influence power consumption a lot. |
| 17:15.44 | adm | I don't suppose anyone knows about submitting patches for apt, do they? |
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| 17:15.58 | blocky2 | uh wheezy i think |
| 17:16.02 | blocky2 | 7 |
| 17:16.16 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: that doesn't look like a PV from the thing you pasted in. |
| 17:16.20 | blocky2 | kernel is 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:17.18 | mumpitze1 | blocky2: try again |
| 17:17.20 | meLon_mobile | Im not sure what you're trying to tell me, Walex2 sorry |
| 17:17.30 | blocky2 | mumpitze1? |
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| 17:17.45 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: also it is *extremely unlikely* that 'fsck.ext4' causes any filesystem destruction |
| 17:17.45 | mumpitze1 | blocky2: you run mint |
| 17:17.59 | blocky2 | mumpitze1, i installed cinnamon |
| 17:18.18 | meLon_mobile | It destroyed the /boot partition. I am 100% sure of it, lol. It was an ext2 filesystem and I ran fsck.ext4 on it >_<. But that's not the LVM |
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| 17:18.26 | MachinaeWolf | Walex2, so on /etc/pulse/default.pa under load audio drivers statically add load-module module-pulse-source device=dsnoop and put load module module-pulse-sink device=dmix ? |
| 17:18.57 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: no, since you don't have a 'dsnoop' or 'dmix' pseudo device. |
| 17:19.11 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: but you seem to have a 'pcm.default' device which is equivalent. |
| 17:19.12 | blocky2 | i used a net install iso of debian 7, it was one of the 'firmware' images |
| 17:19.44 | MachinaeWolf | So put those lines but put device=pcm.default ? |
| 17:19.46 | Walex2 | meLon_mobile: with the email send a list of partitions of your disk, the output of 'disktype' on the disk. |
| 17:19.53 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: yes, that should work. |
| 17:20.26 | MachinaeWolf | Alright I'll back that file up first and do I have to reboot after or could I just sudo service restart something? |
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| 17:23.22 | Walex2 | MachinaeWolf: should be automagic, and also the setup should have been done by 'udev'. But I have to go sorry. |
| 17:23.36 | meLon_mobile | Walex2: I am unsure how to thread a new email to the existing email. I am hoping it is as simple as replying >_< |
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| 17:26.40 | MachinaeWolf | hmm well the udev thing was set, so I guess I should just edit the file anyways I made a backup of the file either way :) |
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| 17:28.57 | blocky2 | so how can i get from 15W of power usage to 5-8W |
| 17:29.22 | meLon_mobile | Walex: disktype information added |
| 17:30.01 | MachinaeWolf | hmm well that didn't work, guess I'll restart some services? |
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| 17:31.29 | mumpitze1 | blocky2: what percentage of time is your CPU in C6 state? |
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| 17:32.50 | blocky2 | where would i find that? |
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| 17:34.36 | MachinaeWolf | nope, still didn't work |
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| 17:36.33 | mumpitze1 | powertop should tell somewhere |
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| 17:37.36 | MachinaeWolf | well if it'll help, here's the actual error message http://pastebin.com/R0jUwNaV |
| 17:37.56 | blocky2 | it's saying 8% turbo mode, 30% 800mhz, 56% idle |
| 17:38.14 | blocky2 | now it's gone to 3% turbo, 14% 800mhz, 83% idle |
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| 17:51.45 | cardiel | which is the best software for setting up a small apt repo with only a few packages available? |
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| 17:54.48 | theseb | puzzle....thinkpad stopped booting with a "Operating System not found" error....I made sure boot sequence had CD-ROM 1st then HD......I also tried booting a live CD....it just spins.....what could have caused HD and CD booting to both fail at same time? |
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| 18:02.11 | fgase3 | every time restart the machine the system brightness goes to low, and i have to increase everytime.. is there any way to controll this behaviour? |
| 18:02.48 | jhutchins_wk | theseb: Did you verify the md5sum of both the iso file and the burned disc? |
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| 18:03.34 | jhutchins_wk | fgase3: How are you adjusting the brightness? |
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| 18:03.55 | jhutchins_wk | Feefty: I assume you are in gnome or some other desktop environment? |
| 18:04.16 | jhutchins_wk | Feefty: Sorry. |
| 18:04.28 | jhutchins_wk | fgase3: I assume you are in gnome or some other desktop environment? |
| 18:04.38 | fgase3 | jhutchins_wk: using the brightness key on the laptop |
| 18:04.50 | fgase3 | jhutchins_wk: yes indeed its gnome |
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| 18:07.33 | jhutchins_wk | fgase3: You might see if xrandr has the ability to configure that. If the gnome configuration utility has brightness settings you can try there too. xrandr has the ability to apply settings on startup, and there is an xrandrtray utility for easy access. |
| 18:08.25 | fgase3 | jhutchins_wk: is this something i have to install first? |
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| 18:12.13 | dima___ | hello |
| 18:12.24 | dima___ | guys, I did a stupid thing |
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| 18:13.05 | dima___ | I tryied to install an ubuntu package (libfreetype6, because I wanted the new adobe parser and hitting engine) |
| 18:13.12 | fgase3 | jhutchins_wk: may this one i need "Simple visual front end for XRandR " |
| 18:13.17 | dima___ | and it almost broke my system... |
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| 18:13.34 | dima___ | I'm trying to fix it now, but I'm not that experienced with debian yet :( |
| 18:13.56 | ztp | dima___, sounds like you probably just want to remove the package, right? |
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| 18:13.59 | dima___ | yes |
| 18:14.17 | dima___ | I want to revert to the previous state |
| 18:14.26 | ztp | open a terminal and type man dpkg |
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| 18:14.41 | dima___ | but it does want to remove xorg and other important stuff |
| 18:14.55 | dima___ | ztp: give a better hint... |
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| 18:15.02 | ztp | you'll probably want to do dpkg -r <name-of-package> |
| 18:15.06 | dima___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.18 | dima___ | ookk..let's try this |
| 18:15.47 | htor | hi. can't which package on wheezy that contain pdflatex? halp? |
| 18:16.02 | elkingrey | for some reason when I boot my computer it asks me for my VPN user auth BEFORE I get to the log in. All I have to do is give a blank enter and it fails and continues as normal. But I'd like it to stop doing that. I looked in the VPN network settings and the VPN is NOT set to automatically connect. Any ideas? |
| 18:16.05 | ztp | dima___, this covers basically what you'll want to do http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/06/install-remove-deb-package/ |
| 18:16.45 | dima___ | ztp: when I try to remove that package, it tries to remove half of my system... |
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| 18:16.59 | ztp | dima___, hmm, well don't do that |
| 18:17.06 | dima___ | dpkg: error processing libfreetype6:amd64 (--remove): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:17.07 | dpkg | dima___: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 18:17.23 | dima___ | ok, one second |
| 18:17.33 | mumpitze1 | hugs dpkg |
| 18:18.52 | dima___ | http://paste.debian.net/5398/ |
| 18:19.06 | dima___ | that is the output :9 |
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| 18:21.17 | ztp | dima___, what happens if you try to install the libfreetype from the repositories |
| 18:21.50 | dima___ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.21 | dima___ | it is possbile to specify the version somehow? |
| 18:22.39 | jelly-home | dima___: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libfreetype6" and "apt-cache policy". |
| 18:23.54 | dima___ | http://paste.debian.net/5399/ |
| 18:24.18 | gturner | oh crap, as a mere debian user, i just executed a dput and sent some files to the master upload queue |
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| 18:26.00 | dima___ | hei! done |
| 18:26.12 | dima___ | I've downloaded a new package from debian.org |
| 18:26.19 | dima___ | and installed it with dpkg -i |
| 18:26.53 | mumpitze1 | and it broke your enter key so it constantly fires at random? |
| 18:26.53 | dima___ | still, I haven't finished my experiment |
| 18:27.03 | ztp | dima___, doing this would probably be equivalent: sudo apt-get install libfreetype6=2.4.9-1.1 |
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| 18:27.14 | riceandbeans | how well does exim handle load? |
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| 18:27.31 | riceandbeans | I read that under large mail loads, it crashes whereas postfix and sendmail will prevail |
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| 18:27.38 | dima___ | btw, where do I find a 2.4.12 package with adobe cff enabled? |
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| 18:27.49 | riceandbeans | is it safe to use exim in production with decent load and how much load can it handle? |
| 18:27.50 | jelly-home | dima___: you don't. |
| 18:27.54 | dima___ | I don't want to install it from source... |
| 18:28.16 | mullein | riceandbeans, i have exim installations that sometimes have several 100ks of emails in the queue at a time, it doesn't crash for me. |
| 18:28.19 | dima___ | mmm...maybe will make a deb... |
| 18:28.23 | jelly-home | dima___: don't mess with versions of stuff in stable. |
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| 18:28.42 | dima___ | thanks guys... |
| 18:28.59 | mullein | riceandbeans, there are options iirc to have exim throttle itself if the load avg gets high |
| 18:29.05 | riceandbeans | mullein: did you need to tweak anything or run any extra software? |
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| 18:29.16 | jelly-home | ,v libfreetype6 |
| 18:29.17 | judd | Package: libfreetype6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.2-2.1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 2.4.2-2.1+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 2.4.9-1.1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.4.9-1.1; sid: 2.4.9-1.1; wheezy: 2.4.9-1.1 |
| 18:29.45 | mullein | riceandbeans: no, though i do run clamav and spamassassin on my incoming exim instances |
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| 18:30.21 | riceandbeans | mullein: I have another question for you then |
| 18:30.56 | riceandbeans | if I have 172.1.1.0/24 and I want it to be masqueraded as foo.com and 172.1.2.0/24 and I want it to be masqueraded as bar.com, is that a pain with exim? |
| 18:31.01 | boudiccas | does anyone know of any debian film viewers that use alsa and not pulseaudio please? |
| 18:31.22 | riceandbeans | hasn't alsa been deprecated? |
| 18:31.37 | boudiccas | dunno, but it works on this machine and PA doesn't |
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| 18:32.02 | mullein | riceandbeans, i'm not sure at the moment. might be worth asking in #exim, then again, might not. |
| 18:32.05 | riceandbeans | vlc can have it specified |
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| 18:32.54 | riceandbeans | mullein: have you hever had any issues with exim in production? |
| 18:33.53 | mullein | riceandbeans, not really except for having to tweak spamassassin # of children and max bytes scanned when exim gets a lot of incoming mail |
| 18:34.08 | mullein | only been using it for 5 years or so though |
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| 18:35.52 | riceandbeans | mullein: http://wiki.debian.org/DefaultMTA |
| 18:36.00 | riceandbeans | Doesn't have a scheduler, limiting load robustness |
| 18:36.07 | riceandbeans | under negatives for exim |
| 18:36.12 | riceandbeans | what do you say to that? |
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| 18:36.22 | riceandbeans | (my company was afraid to use exim for that reason) |
| 18:36.52 | antiwire | hey dudes, is there a sane method of running vnc4server as an on startup service? |
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| 18:42.11 | mullein | riceandbeans, in practice i don't mind not having a dedicated scheduler; exim is robust enough for our needs. but we only send 10 million emails/month from a pool of machines. |
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| 18:43.54 | mullein | riceandbeans, i imagine that the queue only will get large if you're sending a lot of mail to intermittently connected mtas, or if the recipient mtas are delaying reception of your mails |
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| 18:49.59 | riceandbeans | mullein: it should be in and straight back out to mail servers |
| 18:50.06 | riceandbeans | this is going to be a relay |
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| 18:50.51 | dima___ | I've made it!!!! |
| 18:50.59 | dima___ | I've made a deb from source |
| 18:51.16 | dima___ | and I enabled adobe engine :D |
| 18:51.32 | dima___ | I'll try it now :) |
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| 18:55.24 | zeeflo | is anyone here familiar with the hosting company Hetzner ? |
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| 18:55.35 | zeeflo | And, has anyone had huge problems with their support? |
| 18:56.10 | adm | zeeflo: somewhat and not I, respectively |
| 18:56.28 | OrangeTide | I just came back to debian after a hiatus and installed wheezy last night. pretty nice. but now I really miss SpaceFun. am I the only person who liked that theme? |
| 18:56.42 | zeeflo | im wondering what I can install on my debian servers with them to PROVE that we get timeouts, network loss etc? |
| 18:58.05 | zeeflo | anyone? |
| 18:58.21 | zeeflo | what can I do to get real time network statistics from my servers? |
| 18:58.27 | zeeflo | that logs it, so I can prove it!! |
| 18:58.46 | zeeflo | i really feel like taking a trip to frankfurt and shoot the mofo's! |
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| 19:02.56 | mullein | zeeflo, you could use tcpdump. warning, though: the output file can get huge quickly. |
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| 19:03.15 | xy_trolo | im sitting right next to Frankfurt , i can do that for u ;) , any chance for logs of an extern icinga/nagios monitoring ? |
| 19:03.19 | Rockj | zeeflo: http://www.internet2.edu/performance/bwctl/ |
| 19:03.20 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 19:03.49 | mullein | zeeflo, you could alternately have iptables rules that log the traffic you care about |
| 19:04.04 | zeeflo | ok |
| 19:04.05 | xorgd | I have a ATI 7970 and after installed debian wheezy (with standard option only), I cannot see the command line, I get a black screen right after the grub selection, everything was working fine in squeeze |
| 19:04.31 | zeeflo | would that log any errors of data to and from our streaming port? |
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| 19:05.05 | mullein | it would log only what you tell it to, i don't know that it's going to be able to log the fact that there were errors though |
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| 19:08.40 | xorgd | I don't believe I can't get to command line with a stable debian release |
| 19:12.46 | xorgd | anyone know a way to access command line to install fglrx-driver ? I only get a black screen after grub (even in recovery mode) |
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| 19:13.57 | mniip | anyone know what package is pthread in? |
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| 19:15.34 | xorgd | mniip: aptitude why pthread |
| 19:15.35 | mumpitze1 | mniip: packages.debian.org knows |
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| 19:16.14 | mniip | xorgd, E: No package named "pthread" exists. |
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| 19:18.04 | mniip | mumpitze1, can't seem to find it |
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| 19:19.20 | xorgd | mniip: can I ask you why you need it? |
| 19:19.32 | mniip | mumpitze1, what's more surprising, google doesn't give anything useful either |
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| 19:19.37 | mniip | that's why i'm here |
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| 19:20.03 | mniip | xorgd, i have a feeling that i have accidentally forked up some of its files, would like to reinstall |
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| 19:21.04 | atrapado | mniip, try dpkg -S /file/name |
| 19:21.36 | mniip | what should /file/name be? |
| 19:21.46 | atrapado | the file you want to know which package belongs |
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| 19:21.58 | mniip | weird'... |
| 19:22.06 | mniip | ok, libc6-dev:i386 that is |
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| 19:23.55 | codepython777 | where does /usr/bin/python install pcakages in debian? I need to manually remove PIL - pip doesnt work for some reason |
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| 19:42.00 | Yamakasi | Hello all, i have debian wheezy installed, how to install mysql server on debian? |
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| 19:42.43 | smw | Yamakasi, apt-get install mysql-server |
| 19:42.55 | Yamakasi | should i specify the version? |
| 19:43.22 | smw | Yamakasi, there is only one. |
| 19:43.26 | Yamakasi | ok thanks! |
| 19:43.57 | smw | mysql-server installs mysql-server-5.5 which is the only one available in wheezy |
| 19:44.18 | Yamakasi | thanks smw! |
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| 19:49.15 | d_arcy | hi all |
| 19:49.52 | d_arcy | after updating to wheezy, an irssi script (notify.pl) no longer recognizes accents for notifications |
| 19:50.03 | d_arcy | notify-send does, though |
| 19:50.09 | d_arcy | any idea ? |
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| 19:52.56 | coldtobi | I've got the following problem: I have a konica-minolta 4650 (network printer; setup with cups; cups-testpage fine). It seems that gnome(?) applications have problems with this printer: It prints, but only blank pages. Eg. printing a pdf with e.g. "Evince Document Viewer" -> blank page. However, when I use okular, the same pdf prints perfectly fine. This is not only limited to pdfs, but also other applications. (e.g Openoffice, iceweasel). |
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| 19:54.14 | vlad_starkov | Question about Debian: After upgrade I got this every time on login: -bash: declare: -A: invalid option \n declare: usage: declare [-afFirtx] [-p] [name[=value] ...] |
| 19:54.18 | vlad_starkov | Anyone know how to deal with that error? |
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| 19:57.26 | Kooky | vlad_starkov: check you .bashrc |
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| 19:57.45 | Kooky | maybe there is line using declare command |
| 19:57.46 | vlad_starkov | Kooky: what should I check there? |
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| 19:58.44 | vlad_starkov | Kooky: just ckecked. There is no `declare` command |
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| 19:59.25 | gasull | Is there a way to have my apt sources always pointing to testing, so I don't have to switch from, e.g. "wheezy/main" "jessie/main" |
| 19:59.28 | gasull | ? |
| 19:59.29 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: check also .profile, and /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:59.40 | Kooky | is any program/script called from .bashrc or do you have some other script called during login |
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| 20:00.05 | Kooky | gasull: use "testing" ;) |
| 20:00.31 | zlude | How do upgrade 5.0.9 lenny to debian latest version? |
| 20:00.36 | Kooky | just replace "wheezy" with "testing" |
| 20:00.55 | ompaul | gasull:right now it might not be a great idea to do that it's very early lots of strange changes - if you can cope with them enjoy |
| 20:00.58 | gasull | Kooky: thanks. I didn't know that would work |
| 20:01.08 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: hmm strange, when I login on another user there is no errors |
| 20:01.25 | ompaul | dpkg tell zlude about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:01.37 | vlad_starkov | no 'declare' in .profile, and /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:01.40 | gasull | ompaul: do you mean things will break? |
| 20:01.48 | ompaul | gasull: maybe |
| 20:01.50 | zlude | ompaul: ? |
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| 20:02.05 | ompaul | dpkg tell zlude about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 20:02.24 | ompaul | zlude: you have a two step process missing steps is not supported see what the bot says |
| 20:02.38 | Kooky | gasull: that's why it is "testing" *g* However, I'm using testing since years/(centuries) and machine is still working |
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| 20:03.02 | Yamakasi | i am able to connect with filezilla through ssh port, but i am not able to do that with user, why? |
| 20:03.29 | vlad_starkov | Kooky: is it possible to somehow install 'declare'? |
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| 20:03.36 | gasull | Kooky: yeah, I just don't want to be trapped with outdated versions of software (e.g. Firefox), what seems to be the case when using testing. |
| 20:03.39 | ompaul | gasull: it is called testing for a reason, if you break it you get to keep the halves ... but if you are moderately careful and use dist-upgrade stuff you should be ok |
| 20:04.16 | Yamakasi | i am able to connect with filezilla through ssh port as root, but i am not able to do that with user, why? |
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| 20:04.26 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: it's part of your initialisation ... suggest you do "grep declare .*" |
| 20:04.35 | Kooky | gasull: you can also use priorities for packages |
| 20:05.04 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: I'm newbe to Debian. Could you point me where to look at |
| 20:05.12 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: I did |
| 20:05.17 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: check also .profile, and /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:05.29 | Moogle | Bringo informed me that I need to change my repositeries, how do I go about doing that? (everytime I go to download something it wants me to input a disk |
| 20:05.30 | Kooky | check apt preferences http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 20:05.47 | ompaul | Kooky: maybe direction for your replies ;-) |
| 20:06.09 | Kooky | good point ;) |
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| 20:06.31 | ompaul | Kooky: I must file it under useful things ;-) |
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| 20:07.11 | dasFelix | I'm just loving zsh. Wonder why I've not switched earlier :) |
| 20:07.35 | ompaul | dasFelix: cos you were loyal to the great bash ... splitter ;-) |
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| 20:07.47 | zlude | *** sysctl.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? |
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| 20:08.06 | Kooky | zlude: use D |
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| 20:08.16 | ompaul | zlude: if you don't know, back up your data and use a fresh cd |
| 20:08.21 | dasFelix | ompaul Oh yes ^^ |
| 20:08.36 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: nothing found. I checked with grep and all three files you mentioned. |
| 20:08.51 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 20:08.55 | ompaul | guesses kde |
| 20:08.57 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: nothing |
| 20:09.12 | Kooky | vlad_starkov: can you paste the content of your .profile and .bashrc somewhere (not here) |
| 20:09.22 | Moogle | How do I change my repositeries? |
| 20:09.34 | zlude | ompaul, can i do yes? |
| 20:09.36 | Kooky | Moogle: check /etc/apt/sources.d |
| 20:09.36 | ompaul | Moogle: from to what - a little more info please |
| 20:09.44 | Yamakasi | i am able to connect with filezilla through ssh port as root, but i am not able to do that with user, why? |
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| 20:10.08 | ompaul | Yamakasi: that user does not exist on the server? |
| 20:10.15 | Kooky | Yamakasi: event if you repeat the question it's unclear to me what you want to do |
| 20:10.17 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: debian:~$ cat .profi[TAB]-bash: ${prev,,}: bad substitution |
| 20:10.30 | Trae32566-NE | Kooky, question |
| 20:10.30 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: autocompletion doesn't work |
| 20:10.38 | Yamakasi | ompaul, the user exist on the server, but i am not able to connect to server via filezilla with user credentials |
| 20:10.41 | Trae32566-NE | if I replace wheezy with testing, what do I do with wheezy-updates |
| 20:10.52 | Trae32566-NE | move it to testing-proposed-updates? |
| 20:10.52 | Kooky | testing-updates |
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| 20:10.55 | ompaul | Yamakasi: are keys enabled and no key for the user |
| 20:11.02 | ompaul | Yamakasi: test with ssh -C |
| 20:11.03 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: it's ok to recreate this user as it's just empty |
| 20:11.05 | Trae32566-NE | there is no testing-updates |
| 20:11.08 | vlad_starkov | ompaul |
| 20:11.09 | Trae32566-NE | I just tried <.< |
| 20:11.20 | _basic6 | I need another Esata port on my computer. I recently bought a PCIe card with 2 esata ports. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work. This time I'll try a PCI card. Any tips for a specific card to buy? |
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| 20:11.48 | Trae32566-NE | looks like there's only testing, and testing-proposed-updates |
| 20:12.09 | Trae32566-NE | same with jessie |
| 20:12.15 | Yamakasi | ompaul, there is a bunch of output with that command, but i am able to connect with root credentials with fiilezilla through 22 port to server |
| 20:12.16 | Kooky | Trae32566-NE: are you talking about the content of /etc/apt/sources? |
| 20:12.19 | Trae32566-NE | yes |
| 20:12.25 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: in theory yes, what I would do however is assuming the user is vlad log in as root,cd /home; mv vlad Original-vlad ; mkdir vlad ; chown vlad:vlad vlad ; chmod 700 vlad |
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| 20:12.30 | Kooky | Trae32566-NE: security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free should work |
| 20:12.38 | Moogle | Kooky: I do not have a /etc/apt/sources.d | I do have a sources.list.d folder that is empty and a sources.list file |
| 20:12.58 | ompaul | Yamakasi: do it with the user and this command ssh -vvv username@server put the output into http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:13.09 | Kooky | Moogle: that's what I mean |
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| 20:13.44 | Kooky | Moogle: take sources.list or create a file in sources.d with ".list" prefix |
| 20:13.46 | Trae32566-NE | Kooky: yes, but what abouthttp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 20:14.03 | Kooky | Moogle: suffix not prefix |
| 20:14.12 | Moogle | 0.o |
| 20:14.21 | Kooky | Trae32566-NE: I have deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 20:14.30 | dasFelix | however sources.exe wont work :) ^^ |
| 20:14.38 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: strange... I removed and created this user again. And the same result... |
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| 20:14.43 | Yamakasi | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/plain/5420 |
| 20:15.10 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: so it's something in the server setup so I suggest it is declare from a database and no idea beyond that - ignore it until you don't have to |
| 20:15.22 | Kooky | dasFelix: you can set a zsh suffix alias for it ;) |
| 20:15.30 | ompaul | Yamakasi: not what I asked for |
| 20:15.38 | Moogle | Kooky: sorry, im new to this, I did open sources.list which brought up software sources with 5 tabs |
| 20:15.41 | ompaul | Yamakasi: do it with the user and this command ssh -vvv username@server put the output into http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:15.46 | Yamakasi | ompaul, just a moment |
| 20:16.01 | Moogle | I configured the debian software tab to download from the most reliable server |
| 20:16.30 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: OK I ignore that. Another question: E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:16.44 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: on apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 20:16.47 | Kooky | Moogle: tab? what is a tab? are you in the shell and opened the file with an editor? |
| 20:16.50 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: this looks very broken |
| 20:16.56 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: is this a vps? |
| 20:17.02 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: no |
| 20:17.03 | dasFelix | Kooky Outch :) |
| 20:17.14 | Moogle | Kooky: I'm in the GUI |
| 20:17.31 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: something is very wrong -paste in http://paste.debian.net /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:17.33 | Kooky | Moogle: go to the shell |
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| 20:17.58 | Trae32566-NE | upgrading server |
| 20:18.03 | Trae32566-NE | we shall see if it reboots |
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| 20:18.34 | Moogle | Kooky: ok, I'm in the shell and logged in as root |
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| 20:18.59 | Kooky | Moogle: ok, now you can open the file with you prefered editor |
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| 20:19.40 | Moogle | Kooky: Sorry, I have no experiance with Shell other then logging into it (at this time) |
| 20:19.44 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/T7sXd8hg |
| 20:20.02 | Moogle | Kooky: I'm on tty3 |
| 20:20.13 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: I found this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=162728 |
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| 20:20.36 | Kooky | Moogle: you will love it, it even safes hardware resources because you just need the keyboard and no pointing devices ;) |
| 20:21.01 | Kooky | Moogle: ok navigate to the apt settings folder in /etc/apt |
| 20:21.21 | Moogle | Kooky: ok done |
| 20:21.22 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: that machine has bad repos I am not going to try and fix it I will say install stable and get on with your life |
| 20:21.30 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 20:21.30 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 20:21.35 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: ^^^^^^ read taht |
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| 20:21.57 | dasFelix | lol :D |
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| 20:22.31 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: nice) it's actually not possible to reinstall the system at this time |
| 20:22.32 | Kooky | Moogle: ok, now you can open the file sources.list: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:23.02 | Kooky | Moogle: what did you wanted to do? |
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| 20:23.35 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: is it possible to arrange sources.list and align my Debian to some stable version? |
| 20:23.51 | Moogle | Kooky: used "dir" to view list of files (I know, its blasphemy using windows style commands) What I need to do is change the repositories (where my computer looks for software packages) |
| 20:23.56 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: you got stuck in that case - I have no idea what state that machine is in, with those repos I'd be concerned given the age of the kernel that it really might just break |
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| 20:24.21 | Moogle | Kooky: Woa, Nano looks crazy cool |
| 20:24.43 | Moogle | Kooky: I feel like I know what I'm doing but I dont know what I'm doing :-p |
| 20:24.48 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: eh maybe if it was sitting beside me I might try |
| 20:25.01 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: ok I see. So I need only this single package linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686. Is it possible to install it? |
| 20:25.03 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: but most likely I'd just format it and start again |
| 20:25.14 | Kooky | Moogle: wait until you see butterflyes in emacs |
| 20:25.21 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: me too ,but this machine is on remote side |
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| 20:25.41 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: I can't support you in this given what you have in your sources - you can wget it but I'm not getting involved in something I~ feel is about do die in a bad way |
| 20:25.47 | Moogle | Kooky: sounds interesting, in tty3 I have a bloody cursor stuck on the middle of the screen that wont go away :-/ |
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| 20:26.22 | Kooky | Moogle: you know what you wanted to change in your sources.list file? |
| 20:26.26 | dasFelix | Moogle that might be your mouse cursor? :D |
| 20:26.34 | Moogle | Kooky: wont move if I move the mouse either, not an issue right now anyways, suddenly you are drawing me more towards going 100% shell instead of GUI |
| 20:26.35 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: mmm, actually there is only 3 repos enabled. all the others are commented out |
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| 20:27.12 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: no it says stable and testing at the same time |
| 20:27.19 | Moogle | Kooky: Will app's that have a GUI interface (i.e. Firefox) work in shell based Linux? |
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| 20:27.29 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: oh I see. nice |
| 20:27.49 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: it is running a really old version it will most likely break if you try to do anything that is old stable you have there |
| 20:28.04 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: game over - play again with fresh install |
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| 20:28.47 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: ok |
| 20:28.52 | Moogle | dasFelix: thats what I thought but it dosent move or anything, if I jump to the GUI I can put the mouse to the far left of the screen and when I enter shell its suddenly back in the middle of the screen. |
| 20:29.07 | Kooky | Moogle: no. well, there some terminal based browsers like w3m, link3, and so on. However, using a terminal for websites (especially with javascript) is not recommended |
| 20:29.11 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: thanks! |
| 20:29.37 | dasFelix | Moogle what do you want to achieve btw? |
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| 20:30.31 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: happy reinstall (soon) back up anything that is valuable on there |
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| 20:31.36 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: yep |
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| 20:32.29 | pjb | Hi! Why does http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en tell us to use --revision=custom.1.0 but dpkg-deb issues an error about: error in Version string 'pjb.1.0': version number does not start with digit ? |
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| 20:32.38 | pjb | How can I name my versions? |
| 20:32.49 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: for the further time, what is the best practices for system maintenance? Should I make upgrades or just reinstall for time to time? |
| 20:32.53 | Moogle | dasFelix: I'm curious about linux but as a Gamer I don't know if It will work for me, I'm exploring I guess, seeing what the difference between linux and windows is |
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| 20:33.50 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: clean install, keep it up to date, then dist-upgrade after you read the instructions and readmes |
| 20:34.02 | ompaul | vlad_starkov: and backups, get backups of the backups :) |
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| 20:34.09 | vlad_starkov | ompaul: yep! |
| 20:35.02 | frikinz | pjb: 1.0-0+pjb for example ? |
| 20:35.03 | dasFelix | btw backups I just discovered I've been 12 days w/o any backups cuz duplicity did not work anymore from squeeze to wheezy. :-| |
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| 20:36.11 | Moogle | Kooky: What is the perpose of a shell based linux? As in, what would it be used for? |
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| 20:39.35 | dasFelix | Moogle: In my opinion it's the best way to learn debian (or linux at all) if you understand the shell and if you can directly modify configuration files and check if it works or not. Just using GUI and whizzards is not reproducable. But it's not veeeery easy in the beginning |
| 20:40.18 | zerick | Anybody knows how to redirect https://mydomain.com to http://mydomain.com on Apache? |
| 20:40.46 | ompaul | Moogle: powerful configs have to be written in something with some tools |
| 20:41.18 | jhutchins_wk | zerick: RedirectPermanent - as documented at apache.org. |
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| 20:41.35 | webdawg_ | I am using debian wheezy and when I install packages I keep getting invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of start. |
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| 20:41.58 | becks` | hi, is this command safe to run or will it destroy data? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda2 bs=1G count=1 oflag=direct |
| 20:42.07 | dasFelix | aaahh |
| 20:42.31 | jhutchins_wk | Moogle: Databases, large batch programming, and servers all have no real need of a local GUI, and the simpler CLI interface means more power for the user and the service. |
| 20:42.52 | eviltoaster | I use openbox what package do i need to install to be able to create icons on my desktop... |
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| 20:43.06 | Moogle | jhutchins_wk: I have a lot to learn lol |
| 20:43.14 | jhutchins_wk | Moogle: Graphical intefaces require the designer to have thought of everything you might want to do, GUIs allow infinite creativity by the users. |
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| 20:43.45 | mtn | becks`: yes, dd will delete/overwrite data, please see man dd |
| 20:43.52 | jhutchins_wk | Moogle: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html |
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| 20:44.14 | becks` | thanks mtn, do you know any tool that's good for hdd performance testing? |
| 20:44.38 | mtn | becks`: not off the top of my head |
| 20:44.59 | Moogle | jhutchins_wk: out of curiosity, can the GUI be disabled when I go to shell and have it start when I return to it? |
| 20:45.02 | webdawg_ | it looks like I have a file in /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d |
| 20:45.06 | webdawg_ | Can I just remove this file? |
| 20:45.27 | jhutchins_wk | Moogle: COmmand line guides: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
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| 20:45.30 | dasFelix | http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/C64_Screen_Wallpaper__yvt2.jpg <-- APT-GET does not work..? |
| 20:45.32 | webdawg_ | Would this disable services from starting up? |
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| 20:45.57 | dondelelcaro | webdawg_: no |
| 20:46.02 | grok0 | becks`: hdparm -t |
| 20:46.06 | jhutchins_wk | Moogle: Yes, that can be done, but doesn't really need to be. You can also run virtual terminals in X. |
| 20:46.16 | webdawg_ | dondelelcaro: I mean auto starting on startup. |
| 20:46.34 | dondelelcaro | webdawg_: no. policy-rc.d only gets run when invoke-rc.d is run |
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| 20:46.43 | jhutchins_wk | Moogle: If you stop the ?dm (usually gdm) service, it will shut down the GUI. |
| 20:46.47 | webdawg_ | dondelelcaro: I did not have this problem before. Can I just remove it? |
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| 20:47.35 | jhutchins_wk | webdawg_: Find out where it came from and why it's there first. |
| 20:47.48 | SamanthaD | I just downloaded an ISO of Debian Stable pawerpc but when I try to verify the SHA512SUMS file with gpg it sells me that the key is not found and according to the db.debian.org the key doesn't even exist... |
| 20:47.54 | SamanthaD | RSA key ID 6294BE9B |
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| 20:48.01 | farmerjohn | Moogle: good thing about the shell is that you can link programs together in a chain, so the output of one program can feed into another - for instance, I could use the find command to find all files ending in .flac and then use oggenc to convert each of those files into ogg vorbis files (which are a lot smaller) to use on my portable music player. |
| 20:48.13 | dondelelcaro | webdawg_: you certainly can remove it, but Debian does not install one by default. [However, debootstrap, cdebootstrap, and other things do.] |
| 20:48.45 | webdawg_ | I used xen tools to create this image. |
| 20:48.47 | Moogle | jhutchins_wk: Thanks for the links! I have a lot to learn |
| 20:48.52 | webdawg_ | I do not think it finished it right. |
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| 20:49.37 | Moogle | farmerjohn: well, I guess the best course of action for me to take is go home, format my computer, install linux and go from there. This should be interesting |
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| 20:50.39 | dasFelix | Moogle You can also try to install a VM (virtual machine) on your windows computer. Use it as host and then install debian there as a guest system. |
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| 20:51.21 | dasFelix | Moogle, I think this is also a good way to start |
| 20:52.08 | dasFelix | Moogle but of course it depends on what you really want to do |
| 20:52.30 | webdawg_ | What is a good util to manage debian services? |
| 20:52.53 | Moogle | dasFelix: ok, I will do that :-) Time for me to head home, be back on in a few. When I get back on I will tell you my goal and what I am wanting to do (I have a feeling that I'm going to need to learn Coding to pull it off) |
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| 20:55.35 | webdawg_ | rcconf |
| 20:55.41 | webdawg_ | What happened to sysvconfig |
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| 21:20.36 | Trae32566-NE | f*** |
| 21:20.40 | Trae32566-NE | byobu is broken in testing |
| 21:20.42 | Trae32566-NE | <.< |
| 21:21.00 | Trae32566-NE | Y U DO DIS?! |
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| 21:22.07 | mtn | thinks somebody needs a time out |
| 21:22.24 | Trae32566-NE | no, just fix my tmux q.q |
| 21:22.50 | mtn | Trae32566-NE: try #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 21:26.59 | Trae32566-NE | mtn, looks like the issue is someone was a bit too tired while diffing...the filenames its trying to read from have *.tmux extension, whereas the ones that come with the package have no extension |
| 21:27.12 | Trae32566-NE | or rather that it generates |
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| 22:04.13 | mordonez | Hi guys |
| 22:04.22 | mordonez | how can I mount my galaxy s3 into debian |
| 22:04.26 | mordonez | is not detected at all |
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| 22:05.22 | spacepluk | I'm using adb push/pull |
| 22:05.25 | spacepluk | good enough for me |
| 22:06.20 | mordonez | I mean, for example in ubuntu 13.04 when I connect the s3 I can access to pictures and that stuff |
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| 22:12.49 | socomm | mordonez: ask on ubuntu what they use to 'mount' your s3 |
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| 22:13.34 | socomm | mordonez: I'm guessing your SD card is fat32 formatted |
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| 22:17.41 | Jeudi | What CLI tool should I be using to partition and format a flash drive on Wheezy? |
| 22:17.42 | Vasistha | I'm having a strange problem, certain websites work and at least one doesn't. And I can't download email at all. There are two other computers on the same LAN, one running squeeze like mine and the other wheezy, and they aren't having any internet issues at all. |
| 22:18.10 | socomm | Jeudi: you can partition with fdisk |
| 22:18.13 | Vasistha | Jeudi: I usually use cfdisk, it's very user-friendly. |
| 22:18.44 | Jeudi | socomm Vasistha : Thanks. User-friendly is better in my case. I'll try cfdisk. |
| 22:18.45 | socomm | Jeudi: and then mkfs.vfat |
| 22:19.01 | Jeudi | socomm: I'm formatting as ext2 |
| 22:19.15 | socomm | Jeudi: fdisk/mkfs are really simple but use whatever works best for you |
| 22:19.20 | socomm | Jeudi: mkfs.ext2 |
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| 22:19.40 | socomm | Jeudi: you can see whats available run 'mfs.<tab>' |
| 22:19.53 | Jeudi | socomm: I think it's recommended to call with mkfs -t ext2, rather than use mkfs.ext2, isn't it? |
| 22:19.56 | socomm | It will give you list of programs matching your criteria |
| 22:20.11 | patter | jeudi works either way |
| 22:20.13 | socomm | Jeudi: either one should work |
| 22:20.23 | Jeudi | patter, socomm : Ok. Thanks :) |
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| 22:23.01 | Arrowmaster | Jeudi: parted is probably the most comprehensive all in one cli command |
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| 22:23.29 | Jeudi | Arrowmaster: ah, I know that one from Ubuntu. Ok, if I don't get anywhere with cfdisk, I'll try that. |
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| 22:29.53 | Jeudi | Vasistha: cfdisk doesn't mention ext2 as an fstype, just Linux and Linux Extended. Is "Linux" the same as ext2? |
| 22:31.47 | socomm | Jeudi: why you using ext2? |
| 22:32.16 | patter | cfdisk is for creating partitions, mkfs to format them - uselinux, then mkfs it afterwards |
| 22:32.56 | Jeudi | socomm: It was recommended for USB flash drives to minimise writes. With noatime option. |
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| 22:34.02 | Jeudi | patter: ah, my mistake. So when it says, fs type, it's asking for the eventual fs type that will be used, so that it can prepare the drive appropriately? |
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| 22:38.18 | Jeudi | I deleted all partitions on the drive and wrote one new Linux partition. fdisk -l now shows two partitions on the drive: sd1 & sd5. Which one do I mkfs? Sorry for being so noob. |
| 22:39.18 | patter | whichever one you just created. fdisk shoul also give you the size & type |
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| 22:40.41 | Jeudi | patter: one is type, "Extended" the other, "Linux". |
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| 22:41.31 | patter | the linux one |
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| 22:41.50 | patter | ... I hope this drive didn't contain anything important to keep |
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| 22:42.31 | Jeudi | No, I'm re-assigning it to some new task. My aim was to wipe it before continuing :) |
| 22:45.08 | Jeudi | Thanks all, looks like things are working. |
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| 22:50.43 | Jeudi | OK, last question: how do I use fstab to make the mounted drive world-writable? ATM it's owned by root. |
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| 22:51.46 | patter | as its ext2, you don't use fstab for that - just chmod it as root |
| 22:55.17 | Jeudi | Ta |
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| 23:03.12 | ketsa | Debian 7 : use that new desktop thing to launch an application, it opens another app... |
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| 23:04.51 | quitte | hi. could someone help me out with a shell script that takes the input from stdin and stores it in a file? |
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| 23:05.45 | b2_ | so what are the recommended methods to dist-upgrade if system had some custom build packages+kernel, is there a way to hold them or something |
| 23:06.12 | quitte | b2_: pinning |
| 23:06.34 | b2_ | quitte: 10x, i will read about it |
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| 23:08.28 | uberdub | as I suspected sleep is broken |
| 23:08.35 | uberdub | ugh |
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| 23:10.12 | uberdub | whats best way to file bug report? |
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| 23:11.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell uberdub about reportbug |
| 23:13.30 | jalalsfs | How to know if any daemon runs automatically or not? |
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| 23:14.46 | abrotman | depends on the daemon |
| 23:15.12 | jalalsfs | abrotman, I want to check samba for example. |
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| 23:17.04 | patter | most are in /etc/rc2.d |
| 23:17.51 | uberdub | anyone know what to make of this log: [ 0.182315] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored ? |
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| 23:18.33 | dondelelcaro | uberdub: it generally means just that. welcome to the wonders of ACPI. |
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| 23:19.02 | uberdub | a bug in my system bios? |
| 23:19.16 | jalalsfs | patter, Okay, thank you. then how to make it not automatically? |
| 23:19.30 | dondelelcaro | uberdub: in its implementation of ACPI, yes. But that's not all that surprising; almost every implementation of ACPI is screwed up in one way or another |
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| 23:19.37 | patter | see: update-rc.d |
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| 23:21.36 | uberdub | Is this why sleep is broken? |
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| 23:22.45 | dondelelcaro | uberdub: hard to say. What laptop is this? How are you trying to get it to sleep? |
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| 23:24.15 | uberdub | dmesg returned this: http://pastebin.com/yuyDWa7T |
| 23:24.29 | uberdub | its hp 311 mini |
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| 23:29.40 | dondelelcaro | uberdub: that dmesg shows it trying to resume from hibernation, not suspend. |
| 23:29.51 | uberdub | I know |
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| 23:30.08 | uberdub | I am going into the k menu and selecting "sleep" |
| 23:30.21 | uberdub | not hibernate |
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| 23:34.31 | uberdub | dondelelcaro: it worked fine in squeeze |
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| 23:41.20 | Vasistha | quitte: did you ever get help with your shell script? Did you ask #bash ? |
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| 23:43.46 | raz | hmm, ever since upgrading to wheezy that box prints uname at every ssh login |
| 23:43.52 | raz | how do i turn it off? |
| 23:43.58 | quitte | Vasistha: neither, thanks for asking |
| 23:44.38 | Vasistha | quitte: it sounds like all you want is redirection, e.g. cat > /some/file |
| 23:44.52 | uberdub | gonna try by closing lid |
| 23:45.04 | Vasistha | quitte: when you get to eof, if you still need to exit cat, hit ctrl-d on a new line |
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| 23:45.51 | quitte | Vasistha: and cat will just use the input to the shell script that way? |
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| 23:46.26 | dondelelcaro | raz: it's /etc/motd and /run/motd.dynamic |
| 23:46.30 | awc737 | How do I add testing or sid or what is it called, to Wheezy? |
| 23:46.34 | awc737 | I really want this package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc6 |
| 23:46.34 | raz | dondelelcaro: ahhh! |
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| 23:46.56 | dondelelcaro | raz: see pam_motd for details |
| 23:47.00 | raz | dondelelcaro: why does debian need 6 dozen motd files scattered all over the place nowadays.. that SUCKS |
| 23:47.08 | raz | dondelelcaro: thanks for the pointer (nothing personal) |
| 23:47.20 | Vasistha | quitte: yeah, there's essentially no difference from running that at a command line, and putting it inside a script |
| 23:47.35 | quitte | sweet. thanks |
| 23:47.58 | Vasistha | awc737: that's probably not a good idea. Why do you want a newer libc6? |
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| 23:48.29 | awc737 | Vasistha, couple reasons, but it's in testing so I can read the issues |
| 23:48.47 | awc737 | but how do I add sid? is it called testing/experimental/sid? |
| 23:49.00 | Vasistha | awc737: the issue is that you will probably break many of your wheezy packages by using the wrong version of libc6 |
| 23:49.19 | awc737 | like what? |
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| 23:49.56 | awc737 | I always run things out of unstable with debian |
| 23:49.58 | Jeudi | How do I tell rsyslog to use my USB flash drive for all logging, instead of the HDD? |
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| 23:50.25 | dondelelcaro | raz: uh... there's only two |
| 23:50.39 | awc737 | i mean in the past, running things out of sid with deb has never been a huge deal |
| 23:50.45 | awc737 | with how outdated stable always is |
| 23:50.49 | Vasistha | awc737: who knows? maybe I'm wrong. I'd hoped someone would have backed me up by now |
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| 23:50.55 | dondelelcaro | raz: and the only real change is that we've switched from building /etc/motd from /etc/motd.somethingorother to just having two files |
| 23:51.31 | raz | dondelelcaro: motd, motd.tail, motd.static.. now /var/run/motd.whatever.. i think we still need /usr/local/motd.local.. and why is there no /lib/motd32.so |
| 23:51.44 | Vasistha | awc737: I've been known to do simple sid backports (and not-so-simple backports) for a variety of reasons, but upgrading libc6 ... well gosh, I guess the thing to do is check the dependencies. |
| 23:51.54 | dondelelcaro | raz: there's only /etc/motd and /run/motd.dynamic now. |
| 23:52.10 | dondelelcaro | raz: primarily to get away from the insanity of having multiple different motd files. |
| 23:52.35 | raz | dondelelcaro: oh funny.. i never noticed someone invented /run.. gnah.. |
| 23:52.48 | dondelelcaro | raz: it's been around for quite some time |
| 23:52.51 | raz | dondelelcaro: i remember ah time when there was /etc/motd and it was good. |
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| 23:53.07 | dondelelcaro | raz: there hasn't just been /etc/motd for forever |
| 23:53.18 | raz | i really hope debian can one day stop scattering everything up for no reason whatsoever. |
| 23:53.23 | raz | dondelelcaro: i'm talking of the good ol' times.. |
| 23:53.24 | dondelelcaro | raz: and in any event, you can *still* just have /etc/motd |
| 23:53.36 | dondelelcaro | raz: if you disable /etc/init.d/motd, that's all you'll have |
| 23:53.56 | raz | oh.. motd even has its own init-script? |
| 23:54.03 | raz | chuckles |
| 23:54.05 | dondelelcaro | raz: how else is it going to know what the uname is? |
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| 23:54.17 | raz | dondelelcaro: no really, imho it should have its own runlevel. |
| 23:54.29 | raz | can systemd do that? |
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| 23:55.24 | dondelelcaro | ? |
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| 23:55.36 | raz | j/k ;) |
| 23:56.04 | abrotman | doesn't get it |
| 23:56.26 | raz | i love debian, but this is one of the areas that's frequently getting on my nerves (same for shattering perfectly fine config files into that awful conf.d mess) |
| 23:56.28 | uberdub | closing lid froze it |
| 23:56.55 | dondelelcaro | raz: there are very specific reasons why we have split configuration files out, and moved dynamically generated non-configuration files out of /etc |
| 23:57.25 | dondelelcaro | raz: but no one is stopping you from undoing any of the conf.d splits that have been done. |
| 23:57.40 | rryoumaa | raz: there are 6 dozen motd files? |
| 23:57.44 | mekeor | i remember there's a command or rather command-line program which creates a (gtk(2?)-)window with a given text and a possible given type (like "info", "warning" etc.). it begins with the letter "z", afair. do you know it? what's the complete name? O.o |
| 23:57.50 | uberdub | maybe I need to install win, and play with the bios firmware |
| 23:57.54 | raz | dondelelcaro: no need, it's not anyone actually uses the packaged servers anymore anyway ;) |
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| 23:58.02 | uberdub | just funny that it works on earlier kernels |
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| 23:58.23 | uberdub | fn+f1 sleeps, then resumes right away |
| 23:58.30 | dondelelcaro | uberdub: have you tried using pm-suspend or similar? |
| 23:58.45 | uberdub | not this go round yet |
| 23:58.50 | dondelelcaro | uberdub: and that problem sounds like something that someone pointed out with the bluetooth chipset not suspending properly |
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| 23:59.10 | uberdub | yeah my bt adapter isnt being recognized |
| 23:59.48 | mekeor | ZENITY!!!! |
| 23:59.49 | uberdub | it did this with my broadcom card too in ubuntu |
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