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| 00:02.29 | Han | blah, let's update to jessie. :-) |
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| 00:06.47 | Younos | hiya all, i just installed debian and i want my x server to launch an ssh-agent for my entire X session. what i do? |
| 00:06.56 | Younos | i already installed a gnome-askpass-fullscreen |
| 00:07.53 | Han | should already be running... |
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| 00:09.07 | Younos | oh ok, i prolly didnt copy the right key with a password in yet |
| 00:09.09 | Younos | thanks :) |
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| 00:09.37 | Han | well you could check if it's running... |
| 00:10.57 | Younos | i saw an ssh-agent in my ps listing, and an SSH_xxx environment variable is set... i'll copy the keys and see what happens |
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| 00:12.52 | Han | great |
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| 00:26.59 | Younos | eek |
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| 00:27.40 | Younos | it didnt really happen as i expected, it asks for my key the first time i use the key |
| 00:27.55 | Younos | and then, it has a little tick 'unlock this key when i start up' |
| 00:28.13 | Younos | and now when i relog i dont get a question for my key anymore |
| 00:28.20 | Younos | it just somehow somewhere stored my key |
| 00:28.29 | Younos | eh... password for the key |
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| 00:28.31 | zoredache | your key was encrypted against your login password |
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| 00:29.04 | zoredache | or rather the passphrase for your key was stored, but it was also encrypted against your login pasword. It is relatively safe. |
| 00:29.30 | Younos | i wonder how it would know my login password then, it didnt ask me for it :/ |
| 00:29.45 | zoredache | It communicated with PAM. |
| 00:29.58 | zoredache | you provided your password when you logged into the system. |
| 00:30.07 | Younos | *nods* |
| 00:30.10 | themill | Younos: are you using gnome or kde or something like that? |
| 00:30.18 | Younos | i'm using gnome |
| 00:30.29 | Younos | its awesome :o) |
| 00:30.52 | phatypus | awesome is relative |
| 00:30.57 | themill | Younos: gnome-keyring stored your key's passphrase in its database when you ticked that box |
| 00:31.07 | Nirvash | I'm performing a fresh Deb Wheezy install and am at the kernel selection screen. Could anyone give me details on the difference between linux-image-486 and linux-image-3.2.0-4-486? |
| 00:31.20 | Younos | ah ok. thanks themill |
| 00:31.38 | themill | Nirvash: the former depends on the latter. Sure you don't want the 686-pae kernel? |
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| 00:31.53 | zoredache | linux-image-486 is meta-package that points at the latest kernel. linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 is probably the package it is currently pointed at. |
| 00:32.15 | Younos | yea like a symlink... |
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| 00:32.38 | Nirvash | themill: I'm on an extremely old machine and this is the only ISO I've been able to get to this stage of the installation with |
| 00:32.52 | themill | ok |
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| 00:35.15 | Nirvash | themill: So would you recommend 3.2 or non 3.2? 0_o |
| 00:35.52 | themill | you'll end up with the same kernel either way but linux-image-486 will help you keep up to date later |
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| 00:38.28 | Nirvash | themill: Thanks! |
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| 00:49.39 | Zenol | Hi. It's more a linux related question thant a debian one, but, if you have a folder /cpy/ that contain your whole /, let's say it's a backup. How can "swap" (or replace) the current / and the /cpy/ "slash" ? I can't swap /usr and /cpy/usr due to /usr/bin (ls, mv, rm...) |
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| 00:54.09 | zykotick9 | Zenol: you might be able to chroot to /cpy, but swap? i believe only / can be / |
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| 00:56.34 | moof2 | you can try altering fstab and grub.conf, then reboot |
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| 00:56.52 | moof2 | is there a partition mounted on /cpy? |
| 00:57.33 | moof2 | I'm pretty sure you'd have to have a separate partition for your new / |
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| 00:57.48 | zoredache | Zenol: I know there is a command pivot_root inside the initrd often that lets you switch which filesystem is your root |
| 00:57.50 | Zenol | moof2> Hum, it's a vps over openVZ. |
| 00:58.11 | Zenol | moof2> and the /cpy is on the same partition of / |
| 00:58.12 | moof2 | didn't ask you that :) |
| 00:58.16 | naptastic | What version of [e]glibc is current on Sid right now? |
| 00:58.25 | moof2 | you'll have to make a new partition |
| 00:58.38 | Zenol | zoredache> I can't do anywith with kernels since it's an openVZ solution :/ |
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| 00:59.02 | Zenol | moof2> I can't. I'ts a vps and I haven't many acess |
| 00:59.03 | moof2 | mount it on /mnt, copy from /cpy |
| 00:59.52 | Zenol | If they was a way to chroot in /cpy so that the system can continue to run, but still writing into /, it may works. |
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| 01:00.11 | Zenol | But don't know if it's possible. |
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| 01:00.26 | moof2 | what problem does this help solve? |
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| 01:00.31 | intelikey | you can chroot anywhere that a usable system lives |
| 01:01.21 | moof2 | well I guess you could do that... then you'd have the original system running and you'd have the chroot |
| 01:02.01 | Zenol | moof2> Yep but would i be able to write to the true /? |
| 01:02.13 | moof2 | if you had this part the way you wanted, what does it do for you? |
| 01:02.18 | moof2 | not from the chroot |
| 01:02.35 | Zenol | moof2> So it doesn't solve anything... |
| 01:02.49 | moof2 | what do you want to solve? |
| 01:03.05 | themill | Zenol: perhaps you could take a step back and tell us what you're doing |
| 01:03.06 | Zenol | moof2> Replace the whole / by an old backup from a tarball. |
| 01:03.24 | moof2 | you're trying to restore from backup? |
| 01:03.36 | Zenol | themill I have a bacup of an openVZ vps, and I wan't to replace the / with this backup. |
| 01:03.41 | Zenol | moof2> Yes. |
| 01:04.06 | Zenol | moof2> nb : the root directory of the tarbal isn't /, its /very/long/path/ |
| 01:04.19 | moof2 | got it... if you have really limited access, one thing you can do is ask the admins to restore it for you |
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| 01:04.40 | intelikey | poot a live cd "knoppix maybe" mount the partition/s under /mnt and do what you will with them |
| 01:04.49 | intelikey | poot/boot |
| 01:04.55 | Zenol | intelikey> put a livecd in a VPS? |
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| 01:05.18 | themill | Zenol: you can remove leading path members when you untar. Anyway, untar it, bind-mount / into it somewhere, chroot into it, cp onto the original bind-mounted /, hope it works out. |
| 01:05.22 | zoredache | Zenol: there are tar options to prune directories, you should be able to extra sub folders directly to root |
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| 01:05.44 | moof2 | so you have /cpy, is the tarball there? is it /cpy/very/long/path? |
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| 01:06.00 | Zenol | themill> bind ? How can I do that? I don't think a symlink will works :/ |
| 01:06.07 | themill | !bind mount |
| 01:06.07 | dpkg | If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details. |
| 01:06.08 | naptastic | Could someone pastebin me a stock Wheezy sources.list file? |
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| 01:06.17 | themill | dpkg: tell naptastic about wheezy sources.list |
| 01:06.26 | themill | naptastic: there is no such thing, but what dpkg said should help you |
| 01:06.31 | intelikey | one could also use "mc" and enter the archive, mark what you want to copy out and select the dest.... |
| 01:06.34 | Zenol | moof2 /cpy just mean /vz/forgetthename/7005/ |
| 01:06.53 | Zenol | moof2 let's say /cpy is just the extracted tarball in /. |
| 01:06.56 | naptastic | themill, thank you :-) |
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| 01:07.43 | moof2 | ok, so the backup / is at /vz/forgetthename/7005/? |
| 01:07.44 | Zenol | intelikey> You can't write into /usr/bin so easily. |
| 01:07.54 | moof2 | wait |
| 01:07.59 | moof2 | you don't have root access? |
| 01:08.06 | Zenol | moof2> I have root acess |
| 01:08.16 | moof2 | oh ok |
| 01:08.28 | moof2 | so prev question stands |
| 01:08.28 | Zenol | moof2> But since it's a server runing over openVZ, I can't (for example) do anything about the kernel. |
| 01:09.02 | Zenol | moof2> And I'm not shure y can mount the simfs where I want |
| 01:09.04 | moof2 | that bind mount idea might work |
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| 01:09.38 | Zenol | moof2> can you "bind" the / directory into one of the /cpy directery, so that if I chroot, I can still write into / ? |
| 01:10.16 | moof2 | I think that's what themill is saying... well shouldn't speak for him as he's right here |
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| 01:10.57 | themill | yeah, that's a fairly common way of doing that |
| 01:11.35 | moof2 | I think you would do that from outside the chroot... make a dir in there, then bind mount the / on that dir, then chroot in |
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| 01:11.51 | Zenol | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.04 | moof2 | no, it's a feature of mount |
| 01:12.08 | Zenol | oh |
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| 01:12.40 | Zenol | oh yeh! |
| 01:12.41 | moof2 | I forgot the exact syntax you would use; I would suggest checking out man mount |
| 01:12.52 | Zenol | moof2> mount --bind olddir newdir :) |
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| 01:13.11 | intelikey | beat me to it |
| 01:13.27 | intelikey | Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages |
| 01:13.27 | intelikey | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.50 | moof2 | lenny security went away long ago |
| 01:13.55 | Zenol | Thanks for you help. Let's try that as soon as the tar ball is back on the vps. |
| 01:13.59 | intelikey | err is there no security repo for this old of... |
| 01:14.09 | Zenol | intelikey> it's an archive rpo |
| 01:14.39 | intelikey | zenol the security updates are now archived somewhere ? |
| 01:14.44 | moof2 | intelikey, I don't believe so... I think security went away in Feb |
| 01:14.49 | naptastic | dpkg: tell naptastic about sid sources.list |
| 01:15.02 | zoredache | intelikey: I think they were pretty much all folded into the archive. |
| 01:15.03 | intelikey | hmmm ok |
| 01:15.08 | Zenol | intelikey> Hum, maybe i'm wrong. |
| 01:15.38 | intelikey | ty i'll drop that listing in the sources.list and move on. |
| 01:16.00 | themill | intelikey: are you actually running lenny there? (time to upgrade to squeeze?) |
| 01:16.07 | Zenol | intelikey> superuser.com/questions/404806/did-debian-lenny-repositories-vanish |
| 01:16.23 | moof2 | they ended the security I believe in Feb, then in March they applied the last of the security updates |
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| 01:16.34 | Younos | hiya, i'm trying to get a 32 bit application running so i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 but apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk complains about it: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable |
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| 01:17.09 | Younos | how does it mean not installable, do i need another special i386 repro? |
| 01:17.20 | themill | Younos: did you run apt-get update? |
| 01:17.23 | intelikey | squeeze has ugly "hard for me to use" kde and i hate gnome for some exotic reason |
| 01:17.30 | Younos | themill: i'll do that now |
| 01:18.03 | intelikey | themill ^ |
| 01:18.13 | themill | intelikey: then upgrade to squeeze and then to wheezy.... |
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| 01:18.36 | Younos | omg it says Removing gnome... |
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| 01:18.59 | intelikey | themill wheeze has option for classic kde<4 ? |
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| 01:20.31 | themill | intelikey: err... no. kde3 died many years ago. Quite frankly, I find it hard to tell the difference between kde3.5 and kde4 in any case. There are a few changes but nothing as major as people make out. |
| 01:21.13 | intelikey | kde 3x was grate can't stand 4 |
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| 01:34.08 | LeandroL | hello everyone |
| 01:34.29 | LeandroL | I can't scp into a vps running debian stable |
| 01:34.51 | LeandroL | I can ssh into it without any issues, but scp is giving me "Permission denied" and keeps asking me to re-enter my password |
| 01:34.58 | LeandroL | any idea how to fix this?} |
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| 01:35.55 | moof2 | LeandroL, how is when you ssh different from when you scp? |
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| 01:36.29 | themill | LeandroL: Can you pastebin the command and full output for the working ssh and failing scp for us? |
| 01:36.48 | LeandroL | sure, one sec |
| 01:37.07 | moof2 | maybe put a -v on them |
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| 01:39.11 | LeandroL | themill, moof2: http://pastebin.com/DmuuBmyZ |
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| 01:41.20 | donman50 | Time to make the coffee |
| 01:41.31 | moof2 | beat ya to that :) |
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| 01:41.46 | LeandroL | any ideas? |
| 01:42.01 | themill | LeandroL: you need -P not -p for scp |
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| 01:42.24 | LeandroL | if that's it, i'm gonna jump off my balcony |
| 01:42.33 | themill | now now |
| 01:42.45 | moof2 | if you do that, you won't be able to do the copy |
| 01:43.14 | moof2 | if you want to be tortured or punished, read the man page :) |
| 01:43.22 | moof2 | kidding. that's a good thing to do |
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| 01:43.34 | LeandroL | jumps off his balcony |
| 01:44.04 | moof2 | it actually wouldn't be bad to check the scp man page to see what -p and -P means |
| 01:44.16 | themill | deploys a net to catch LeandroL |
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| 01:45.13 | moof2 | pesky case sensitivity... again... |
| 01:46.00 | moof2 | talked myself into it |
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| 01:50.16 | moof2 | so, -P <port>... then scrolling down to see what -p does |
| 01:50.58 | moof2 | -p is akin to p on tar |
| 01:51.17 | LeandroL | yeah |
| 01:51.27 | LeandroL | well guys, thanks for rescuing me from my own stupidity |
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| 01:52.32 | moof2 | LeandroL, all you did was change the case on one little letter... don't feel too bad, this was actually really good learning for you |
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| 01:52.58 | LeandroL | thanks for your kind words, i feel better about myself now |
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| 01:53.28 | truexfan81 | umm help please, my debian wheezy server is having package problems, trying to install the irssi build-deps |
| 01:53.36 | moof2 | we make those kinds of mistakes all the time... the only mistake after that is not being open to learning from them |
| 01:53.49 | moof2 | which is a mistake you did NOT make |
| 01:53.52 | themill | truexfan81: full output in a pastebin -- you know the drill |
| 01:54.07 | truexfan81 | yep working on it |
| 01:55.11 | truexfan81 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/5653/ |
| 01:55.20 | themill | also, why are you trying to install the build-deps or irssi? |
| 01:55.49 | truexfan81 | wanting to compile newer version |
| 01:55.56 | truexfan81 | why else? |
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| 01:56.15 | themill | wheezy has the latest upstream release already? |
| 01:56.28 | truexfan81 | oh it does? ok |
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| 01:56.50 | LeandroL | alright, time to go fuck with the vps some more |
| 01:57.04 | LeandroL | thanks moof2 and themill for your help |
| 01:57.05 | themill | truexfan81: what's the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg libc6 apt irssi libpcre3-dev; apt-cache policy" on that box? |
| 01:57.10 | themill | LeandroL: no worries |
| 01:57.17 | LeandroL | laters! |
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| 01:57.28 | truexfan81 | themill: one sec, let me detach and then run that command |
| 01:57.44 | moof2 | LeandroL, put trampoline under balcony for next time! |
| 01:59.11 | truexfan81 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/5654/ |
| 02:01.19 | themill | truexfan81: hmm... I'm slightly bemused why libpcre3-dev wasn't installable. |
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| 02:01.59 | truexfan81 | indeed |
| 02:02.32 | themill | truexfan81: what does "aptitude install libpcre3-dev" what to do? |
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| 02:03.35 | truexfan81 | maybe i could force it using a deb package from the wheezy packages side and then do a apt-get install -f to install its deps? |
| 02:03.36 | truexfan81 | s/side/site |
| 02:03.43 | truexfan81 | one sec |
| 02:04.57 | moof2 | you could also consider going to wheezy... as this is an extreme action (in this case nuking a rabbit), you should do a complete backup first, and make sure you know how to restore it |
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| 02:06.06 | truexfan81 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/5656/ |
| 02:06.09 | moof2 | OR if you have plenty of disk space, have both |
| 02:06.53 | truexfan81 | thats weird how its saying a version of that is installed |
| 02:07.00 | themill | truexfan81: As I suspected, you have packages from jessie/sid in there from previous mixing. |
| 02:07.05 | themill | !not available |
| 02:07.06 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 02:07.16 | themill | truexfan81: ^^ will give you list of all such packages |
| 02:07.30 | truexfan81 | themill: i think i can fix that tho, by simply removing that package and then installing the wheezy version |
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| 02:07.53 | themill | there may well be other packages to; /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 02:08.57 | moof2 | themill, I'm lobbying to have that factoid changed... "To get a list of packages >>new>> you have installed now <<new<< that are not ... " |
| 02:09.15 | moof2 | if that's true that is. |
| 02:09.24 | themill | yeah, fair call |
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| 02:10.15 | truexfan81 | yeah can't remove it without breaking a bunch of stuff, oh well, if irssi is already at the latest version, there is no need to compile |
| 02:10.44 | themill | this problem will come back another day though |
| 02:11.58 | truexfan81 | yeah, i really don't feel like redoing my server today tho lol |
| 02:12.01 | moof2 | truexfan81, unfortunately the aspect of your installation that is "debian packaging system" is presently damaged, and your aspect "I am a debian" is therefore decreased |
| 02:12.16 | moof2 | that's a good call |
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| 02:12.33 | moof2 | AND I would back it up at your earliest opportunity |
| 02:13.04 | Zenol | Maybe it's working, maybe no. How to make all packages being reinstalled? Are there somme "aptitude reinstall all" ? |
| 02:13.18 | moof2 | themill. sec, just noticed msg |
| 02:13.48 | moof2 | yeah, I was going to ask if I should do it |
| 02:14.00 | themill | Zenol: "aptitude reinstall ~i" also /msg dpkg debsums |
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| 02:14.36 | Blue1 | !md5sum |
| 02:14.38 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 02:14.49 | truexfan81 | also i don't understand why it says i have apache2 running, i removed that before i installed nginx |
| 02:15.01 | truexfan81 | err |
| 02:15.07 | truexfan81 | s/running/installed |
| 02:15.36 | moof2 | I like "and" instead of "but" as the latter can have the connotation that everything before the "but" is either negated or unstated |
| 02:16.40 | truexfan81 | moof2: or themill would it cause any big problems if i told this "y" ? http://paste.debian.net/5658/ |
| 02:17.37 | moof2 | well I don't have to look at the link to know that doing certain things is risky... |
| 02:17.57 | truexfan81 | yeah just wanted someone to look at the list of packages |
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| 02:18.32 | truexfan81 | i see its gonna remove nginx, but whatever i can always reinstall that |
| 02:18.36 | moof2 | if you'd give me an idea of how important the server is... like, how many people does it serve? does it have mission-critical function? |
| 02:18.38 | themill | truexfan81: «aptitude install package=version» would probably be a better approach |
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| 02:19.48 | moof2 | the hard line would be: ONLY EVER alter the installed packages on a staging server, never EVER on production |
| 02:20.40 | moof2 | very conservative pov. hopefully you'll never break your production server. |
| 02:21.21 | Blue1 | I can't seem to find the md5sums for wheezy. |
| 02:21.44 | moof2 | they should be in the same dir as the disk images |
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| 02:22.52 | truexfan81 | themill: so if i understand that right, sudo aptitude install libpcre3=1:8.30-5 ? |
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| 02:23.40 | themill | yes, you may need to push the resolver towards doing the downgrade of other packages in the same way. |
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| 02:25.43 | truexfan81 | themill: nope not necessary, its installing the build-deps now :D |
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| 02:27.09 | moof2 | truexfan81, maybe your server is less broken than I thought... still, backups are a good idea |
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| 02:27.45 | Guest17683 | I just made a new install of debian, installed awesome, and now when I start xterm, it is completely blank, no text whatseover |
| 02:27.55 | Guest17683 | any ideas what the problem might be? |
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| 02:28.09 | Guest17683 | for the record, the terminal does work properly in GNOME |
| 02:28.15 | truexfan81 | moof2: its not a big important server, just an old machine that sits in the other room, i mainly use it for irssi, and nginx, for sharing files with people |
| 02:28.20 | Guest17683 | it only has problems in awesome |
| 02:28.59 | Guest17683 | oh, probably because its still starting the gnome terminal when i am in awesome |
| 02:29.00 | moof2 | ohh, so it's also not a remote |
| 02:29.02 | Guest17683 | problem solved |
| 02:29.37 | ardtus | if I get this http://i.imgur.com/WF3WXBe.jpeg when I boot into Debian live, but not when booting into os x on the same machine, what would I do |
| 02:30.15 | truexfan81 | moof2: correct, i have the storage drive shared with samba and mounted as a network drive on my win7 pc, so when i want to share a screenshot or something i can save it right to the www directory, and then share it |
| 02:30.57 | moof2 | server importance would range from "machine in other room that serves files and runs neverwinter game server" to "mae east hub that connects everything to everything else and probably fills a room incl power and cooling" |
| 02:32.51 | truexfan81 | i'm gonna try a irssi nightly, will probably just run it from the directory after it compiles |
| 02:33.11 | truexfan81 | that way if its bad i still have this version installed |
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| 02:33.53 | ardtus | can anyone help with my question? |
| 02:33.59 | moof2 | another thing you can do that's something like that is ./configure --prefix=/nome/you/irssi-(version)-installation |
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| 02:35.44 | moof2 | ardtus, I can't read it |
| 02:36.17 | ardtus | @moof2 can't read what specifically |
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| 02:39.09 | moof2 | the link works, the image comes in, the characters are unreadable |
| 02:39.10 | truexfan81 | watching irssi make is kinda funny, every other line i see a message about something being depracated |
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| 02:39.56 | ardtus | eh, that's the point. that's not a camera trick. That's exactly what I boot into |
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| 02:41.55 | aristarchus | how do i increase the resolution of ffmpeg? |
| 02:42.04 | aristarchus | (or the image quality) |
| 02:42.10 | truexfan81 | #ffmpeg? |
| 02:43.58 | aristarchus | truexfan81: didn't know that existed |
| 02:44.02 | aristarchus | truexfan81: thanks |
| 02:44.06 | truexfan81 | np |
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| 02:45.38 | moof2 | ardtus, is that a picture of your laptop? |
| 02:45.49 | ardtus | yes |
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| 02:46.12 | moof2 | I was thinking, maybe it's the console font |
| 02:46.19 | moof2 | it never gets to X? |
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| 02:48.19 | ardtus | I don't know. but for example, if I start a live session and click on (what I assume is) the installer icon, it loads the graphical installer. so it seems like the environment is ok, but the graphics aren't? |
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| 02:49.07 | ardtus | someone suggested modsetting my graphics card but I haven't been able to figure that out. |
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| 02:50.20 | kj4 | hello folks |
| 02:51.00 | truexfan81 | brb gonna quit irssi and try launching the nightly |
| 02:51.32 | qman__ | ardtus, basically, your distro is loading a graphics driver which isn't using correct settings |
| 02:51.39 | qman__ | what distro and version? |
| 02:51.58 | qman__ | also, model of graphics card is important |
| 02:52.07 | ardtus | wheezy |
| 02:52.36 | qman__ | oh, duh, thought it was ##linux :/ |
| 02:52.40 | qman__ | ok |
| 02:52.43 | ardtus | I have two in this laptopl intel hd4000 and nvidia 650m |
| 02:52.58 | qman__ | ah, one of those hybrids |
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| 02:53.03 | qman__ | they have notoriously crap support in linux |
| 02:53.30 | ardtus | yeah, it's a macbook and I'm not proud of it |
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| 02:54.03 | qman__ | this one's not a mac specific problem, all of those intel/nvidia hybrid chips are problematic |
| 02:55.24 | ardtus | I've been trying to follow these guides on the net specifically for the retina mb, and I get the same thing over and over, while others get a working install |
| 02:56.01 | ardtus | so I am at a loss/ready to light this machine on fire. |
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| 02:57.31 | ardtus | brb |
| 02:57.57 | Nirvash | What's the proper name of the Dictionary program? |
| 02:58.15 | qman__ | unfortunately I don't have much in the way of solutions for it, can you tell which driver is loading at least? I'd try to get it to use the different ones, vesa, the intel one, and the open and closed nvidia drivers |
| 02:58.32 | qman__ | there is also apparently a software called bumblebee which is aimed at those chips |
| 02:58.45 | truexfan81 | nicklist screen |
| 02:58.56 | truexfan81 | oops |
| 02:58.56 | moof2 | cat <list of dictionary words file> | grep word |
| 02:59.29 | moof2 | yes yes it's an extra cat... you can also grep word <dict file> |
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| 02:59.53 | truexfan81 | moof2: apparently irssi nightly does not compile where it can be run from the src directory after compile, so i cleaned it up and then used the --prefix configure option, its making again |
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| 02:59.55 | Nirvash | Turns out it's gnome-dictionary if anyone's wondering haha |
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| 03:01.00 | moof2 | truexfan81, there must be config files or something it needs... there could be a way of invoking it in the dir as a test |
| 03:01.22 | truexfan81 | moof2: too late now, as i said make is running again |
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| 03:02.00 | moof2 | np :) just saying you could have other options... the comment to that effect applies to other programs too |
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| 03:10.11 | ardtus | actually I just thought - could it be the screen resolution? I think this laptop is 2560x1800 |
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| 03:13.22 | truexfan81 | woohoo new irssi running :D |
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| 03:14.02 | truexfan81 | Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.10-rc8 (20051201 0922) |
| 03:14.11 | Nirvash | I'm attempting to SSH but it says hostname name or service not known. How do I resolve this? |
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| 03:19.11 | themill | truexfan81: by "new" you actually mean really old, don't you? |
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| 03:20.38 | truexfan81 | themill: ? the upload date on the site was just 4 days ago |
| 03:21.35 | themill | truexfan81: I think you mean 8 years ago for that version |
| 03:22.00 | truexfan81 | yep just looked again lol oops |
| 03:22.03 | truexfan81 | oh well |
| 03:22.41 | truexfan81 | time to compile again hehe |
| 03:22.45 | truexfan81 | byes |
| 03:23.09 | themill | why compile it at all? |
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| 03:29.42 | harlan | what command do I use to cause grub to scan all the drives and regenerate the boot menu? |
| 03:30.29 | acu | hello guys, I have somehow a shamefully simple question: I can setup apache2 to work perfectly, can create vhosts (website1.com website2.com) however I want to add either website2.com/owncloud or owncloud.website.com, what do I need to change ? do I need to create a vhost for the subdomain ? |
| 03:30.32 | harlan | I thought it was something more than grub-mkconfig |
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| 03:34.14 | truexfan81 | themill: i'm now compiling 0.85-5 just slightly newer than what is in the repos, i see 1 or 2 bug fixes in the changelog |
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| 03:50.24 | nullby7e | how can i install kvirc? |
| 03:50.39 | nullby7e | i got The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 03:52.24 | moof2 | you can try this: "apt-get -f install" |
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| 03:52.31 | moof2 | (no arg other than that) |
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| 03:53.41 | nullby7e | moof2: still nothing |
| 03:54.21 | moof2 | could you describe or pastebin what happened with that command? |
| 03:54.25 | yudi_ | I am trying to download vim plugins via command line to ~/.vim/bundle/ what command should I use, curl? wget? |
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| 03:55.05 | nullby7e | moof2: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 03:55.40 | moof2 | ok... next thing, could you pastebin your sources.list |
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| 03:57.38 | moof2 | location reminder, /etc/apt/sources.list (also, is there anything in sources.list.d?) |
| 03:58.43 | yudi_ | what does the ";" and "\" signify in the following command? mkdir -p ~/.vim/autoload ~/.vim/bundle; \ |
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| 03:59.46 | moof2 | the \ is a quoting character... its purpose is to take the very next char (newline in this case) and remove its special meaning |
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| 04:00.11 | moof2 | the ; signifies that the next thing is a separate command |
| 04:00.24 | nullby7e | moof2: http://pastebin.com/5WnE7sUL |
| 04:00.29 | slav3_kitten | odd question. why does apt-get install openoffice.org install libreoffice? |
| 04:00.42 | naptastic | smiles |
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| 04:01.33 | Younos | hey ppl |
| 04:01.53 | Younos | i installed a few ia32 compatibility libs, and everything works |
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| 04:02.06 | aladdinwang | ,iptables |
| 04:02.07 | Younos | but now apt-get tells me lots of packages are no longer needed |
| 04:02.11 | moof2 | nullby7e, I'm having problems with pastebin.com... could you use another (http://gist.github.org is one) |
| 04:02.16 | Younos | and they are very important packages |
| 04:02.29 | Younos | should i autoremove or does that break things |
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| 04:02.48 | nullby7e | moof2: paste.debian.net ? |
| 04:03.14 | moof2 | yes that's another |
| 04:03.38 | moof2 | it's weird, pastebin.com makes my browser scrol reallly slow |
| 04:03.51 | moof2 | move one of the ls |
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| 04:04.55 | nullby7e | moof2: http://paste.debian.net/5667/ |
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| 04:05.21 | yudi_ | moof2: thanks for that, now with the "\" at the end the next line does not come back to the default prompt, instead has ">" does that mean it's waiting for input? |
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| 04:05.58 | moof2 | yudi_, there's more after the \ (on the next line) |
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| 04:06.16 | moof2 | you should be able to find it where you're copying from |
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| 04:07.30 | yudi_ | moof2: I am trying to understand the installation instructions for vim-pathogen: https://github.com/tpope/vim-pathogen |
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| 04:12.51 | yudi_ | moof2: so using "\" at the end of line allows user input to be entered on the next line with out the new line character/eol/enter being executed , is that the purpose of \ |
| 04:15.03 | moof2 | yes |
| 04:15.57 | nullby7e | moof2: didi you see sources.list |
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| 04:16.06 | moof2 | the special meaning of the "next line" character which is normally a signal to the interpreter meaning "run what you have and return to prompt" is removed |
| 04:17.07 | moof2 | nullby7e, yeah, I did; thanks... so maybe there are packages you have installed that are no longer available, like from an earlier debian or something |
| 04:17.14 | moof2 | there's a thing for that :) |
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| 04:17.39 | nullby7e | moof2: can you get me a link how to make backports, etc. with wheezy fro sources.list |
| 04:17.49 | moof2 | if you /msg dpkg not available |
| 04:17.52 | RayzrShrp | anybody help me figure out why debian wheezy is showing No valid active connections found! when I try to view connection details |
| 04:18.13 | RayzrShrp | upper right hand corner of gnome |
| 04:18.34 | RayzrShrp | the little icon of the rj45 jack with the blue cable coming out of it |
| 04:18.36 | nullby7e | bbl |
| 04:18.38 | moof2 | you'll see an explanation and a command invocation... run that command |
| 04:18.59 | RayzrShrp | i right click on it and try connection information and it gives the error No valid active connections found! |
| 04:19.11 | RayzrShrp | yet i have a valid ip address and I can ping stuff |
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| 04:19.18 | moof2 | the list you get back are the packages that it can't find among your sources |
| 04:19.19 | RayzrShrp | this a bug? |
| 04:19.41 | moof2 | this is also probably the list of packages that's causing problems |
| 04:19.52 | yudi_ | moof2: thank you! |
| 04:20.10 | moof2 | I'd like to see that list in a pastebin |
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| 04:25.50 | Lewoco | Why do some apps put configuration in ~/.foo, whereas other apps put configuration in ~/.config/foobar? |
| 04:27.03 | Arrowmaster | old vs new |
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| 04:29.17 | Lewoco | What was wrong with the old method? |
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| 04:29.34 | Arrowmaster | clutter |
| 04:29.59 | moof2 | Lewoco, dirrerent authors do things different ways |
| 04:30.10 | moof2 | different |
| 04:30.19 | Lewoco | Yeah I've noticed. |
| 04:30.23 | Lewoco | But I was wondering why. |
| 04:30.48 | Arrowmaster | new method is part of the XDG standard |
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| 04:34.23 | RayzrShrp | does anyone know if network manager in wheezy is broken |
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| 04:36.33 | RayzrShrp | hello |
| 04:37.07 | moof2 | not running wheezy yet |
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| 04:38.14 | moof2 | what are you seeing? |
| 04:38.24 | themill | RayzrShrp: if you want to configure your networks using /etc/network/interfaces rather than using network-manager, you need to tell n-m that's what you are doing. /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 04:41.30 | RayzrShrp | cool got it, needed to comment out the settings in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:44.43 | moof2 | the file /etc/network/interfaces lets you specify which thing handles a particular interface... specifically, if there is a line starting iface eth98 then you're asking network-manager to butt out of eth98's configuration |
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| 04:47.16 | Quix86 | I've got 2gb total ram and want to run an older system with no swap file, but also want to use a ramdisk. Would I be better off using a 512mb, 768mb, or 1024mb ramdisk? I have 2gb total ram |
| 04:47.23 | Quix86 | oh I mentioned that twice |
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| 04:52.24 | TyZef | Hi, How? Anybody know what difference between GTK1,2 & 3 ? Thanks peop ! |
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| 04:58.04 | emss | TyZef 3 is the latest? |
| 04:58.38 | TyZef | emss, hum... that's it ? |
| 04:58.52 | emss | oh, nevermind, that really does not answer your question |
| 04:59.15 | cheri | hi can anyone tell me what tools can I use to do application benchmarking I need to know how much cpu, memory, and io is consumed by the process. Thanks in advance |
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| 04:59.59 | emss | TyZef the differences are probably many considering that's more than 10 years of development i think |
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| 05:01.24 | TyZef | Okay thank you very much emss !!! |
| 05:01.27 | emss | TyZef the debian packages should contain a changelog /usr/share/doc/gtk-* |
| 05:03.15 | emss | TyZef major gtk releases 1, 2, 3 closely follow the gnome major version 1, 2, 3 |
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| 05:07.18 | TyZef | Actually emss, I'm using Debian-7-Xfce and I like get some themes for it. Then I see I have choice between GTK1,2&3... That's why I want to know if it's can make any troubles on my Debian like more slow, buggs... |
| 05:07.47 | emss | TyZef i think xfce uses gtk 2 |
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| 05:09.33 | emss | TyZef aptitude show xfce4{,-panel} |
| 05:10.06 | emss | check Depends: |
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| 05:15.48 | TyZef | emss : gtk2-engines-xfce (>= 2.8.0) |
| 05:18.14 | TyZef | Thank emss ! |
| 05:18.22 | emss | np |
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| 05:36.48 | elkingrey | I don't fully understand the difference between update and upgrade. In Ubuntu, you need to do update and the upgrade to get the newest versions of software. In Fedora, I'm pretty sure you just needed to do update and that sort of killed two birds with one stone. What is it in Debian? Do I need to run update and then upgrade to get the newest software updates? |
| 05:37.48 | truexfan81 | elkingrey: updated refreshes the sources list, upgrade insatalls updates |
| 05:37.59 | themill | elkingrey: man apt-get explains this pretty well. "update" just updates the list of available software. upgrade/dist-upgrade actually does something |
| 05:38.00 | truexfan81 | s/updated/update |
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| 05:38.33 | elkingrey | okay thanks! |
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| 05:46.41 | RayzrShrp | anybody know how i can remove all this crap cairo left behind? |
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| 05:47.07 | RayzrShrp | i already did sudo apt-get purge cairo-dock but there is still a ton of crap showing with a c infront of it when doing aptitude search cairo |
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| 05:47.30 | themill | RayzrShrp: aptitude purge ~c. Those packages aren't installed, only their config files |
| 05:47.46 | RayzrShrp | yeah i want all their config files gone |
| 05:48.27 | RayzrShrp | will that remove all config files? how does it know to only remove cairo config files |
| 05:48.36 | peterrooney | RayzrShrp: also, look into deborphan - it finds packages that nothing is depending on. |
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| 05:48.56 | truexfan81 | RayzrShrp: also if there are uneeded deps install apt-get autoremove will remove those |
| 05:49.06 | truexfan81 | or what peterrooney said works too |
| 05:49.07 | themill | truexfan81: aptitude has already done that |
| 05:49.29 | RayzrShrp | so what does purge ~c do? |
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| 05:50.06 | themill | dpkg: tell RayzrShrp about aptitude search |
| 05:50.50 | RayzrShrp | thanks themill i aleady now how to use aptitude search |
| 05:50.55 | themill | ... |
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| 05:51.37 | RayzrShrp | themill, what does aptitude purge ~c do exactly? |
| 05:52.30 | themill | You just told me you knew aptitude's search patterns. |
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| 05:53.16 | RayzrShrp | aptitude search ~c lists everything with a c status but if I do purge ~c it will remove stuff that isn't tied to cairo |
| 05:53.29 | RayzrShrp | are you saying it knows that all stuff with a c status is safe to remove? |
| 05:53.40 | elkingrey | Do fellow Debian lovers have any hope for Debian on smartphones? If Ubuntu can come out with a phone, can't we replace the distro with Debian? |
| 05:54.16 | RayzrShrp | i guess that would be the case huh since c means its removed but the config is left behind right |
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| 05:54.47 | themill | RayzrShrp: right. /msg dpkg aptitude current state |
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| 05:54.48 | lafyn | so why don't u got a useable state |
| 05:56.06 | RayzrShrp | wow that was easy |
| 05:56.08 | RayzrShrp | thanks themill |
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| 05:56.16 | RayzrShrp | sorry i got snarky wasn't understanding |
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| 05:56.58 | TuxFighter | Hi Guys, I installed apticron and syslogs shows that it is tasked regularly as expected, but I never receiving any email |
| 05:57.17 | TuxFighter | And I can´t find any corresponding parts in the logs |
| 05:58.00 | smw | elkingrey, the ubuntu people are making quite a bit of changes to make that work |
| 05:58.22 | smw | elkingrey, and the changes are not pretty. They are what caused me to start using Debian instead of Ubuntu |
| 05:58.38 | smw | elkingrey, not to mention the phone only changes such as using an android kernel |
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| 06:00.03 | lafyn | what's up as a service is running and ignoring whitespaces changes by cisco will get to make new version package mikubuntu |
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| 06:01.57 | RayzrShrp | god cairo is nasty |
| 06:02.03 | RayzrShrp | like a virus with the amount of crap it installs |
| 06:02.38 | genoskill | there is no man page for the package named partitionmanager, what is the reason? |
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| 06:03.12 | RayzrShrp | i might be a fan of wheezy |
| 06:03.24 | RayzrShrp | starting to like it now that i got the weirdness worked out |
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| 06:04.29 | emss | genoskill write one? |
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| 06:06.22 | nullby7e | how can i insert gnome panel menu permanently to be on the right side of desktop/ |
| 06:07.03 | apm1 | nullby7e, idt there is a way to do it even temporarily |
| 06:07.10 | elkingrey | smw: That's too bad. I used to use Ubuntu for a long time. Then I went to Fedora for like 8 months, then I went back to Ubuntu because I was excited about the prospect of having one distro compatible with all devices, such as phone, desktop, etc. But I didn't last a week with raring ringtail. Unity sucks even more than it used to and the whole thing is full of spyware and bloatware. Of course, I could have opted out of non-free software when I install |
| 06:07.11 | elkingrey | ed, but I didni't. Anywho, it's the same with me, Ubuntu motivated me to take 100% free software and Debian more serious, and so far I'm loving it. |
| 06:07.17 | nullby7e | ? |
| 06:07.26 | apm1 | the launcher doesn't move in gnome nullby7e |
| 06:08.26 | smw | elkingrey, ah, I don't care about 100% free, if I did, I wouldn't be able to use my video card :-) |
| 06:08.45 | nullby7e | then how can i create shortcuts in the desktop |
| 06:09.04 | smw | elkingrey, ubuntu is just as free as far as I can see. I just hate the choices they made. It is not just unity |
| 06:09.28 | themill | genoskill: lots of GUI apps sadly don't have man pages |
| 06:09.41 | elkingrey | smw: Yeah, I've got an nvidia card that's got a nouveau driver. I guess that's a bit of a waste, but I'm not a gamer, so I can't really tell if anything is worse off because of it. |
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| 06:09.51 | apm1 | nullby7e, that isn't possible in gnome shell mode , logout and choose gnome classic from the gdm menu |
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| 06:10.04 | nullby7e | gnome3 failed |
| 06:10.21 | apm1 | so you are already in gnome-classic ? |
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| 06:10.45 | nullby7e | apm1: u mean gnome fallback mode |
| 06:10.47 | nullby7e | ? |
| 06:10.49 | apm1 | yes |
| 06:10.55 | nullby7e | brb |
| 06:11.45 | apm1 | its called gnome-classic in gnome 3.8 |
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| 06:13.03 | talin | hello. i am trying to "apt-get install open-vm-tools" on debian 6.0.7, but it can't find it |
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| 06:13.18 | talin | does anyone know the name of the open vmware tools package |
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| 06:14.36 | sawjig | aptitude search vmware: vmware-view-open-client |
| 06:14.52 | themill | dpkg: tell talin about contrib sources |
| 06:15.23 | talin | thank you |
| 06:16.16 | RayzrShrp | i used to like ubuntu but they lost me |
| 06:16.29 | RayzrShrp | i always dabbled in debian but now i have made it home |
| 06:16.46 | RayzrShrp | wheezy is pretty slick |
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| 06:19.45 | RayzrShrp | is xmms gone from debian? |
| 06:19.50 | RayzrShrp | or did xmms2 replace it |
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| 06:20.09 | themill | yes. sort of. |
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| 06:21.23 | RayzrShrp | i just need a small mp3 stream player for somaFM Groove Salad |
| 06:21.29 | RayzrShrp | used to use xmms back in the day |
| 06:21.34 | RayzrShrp | winamp before that |
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| 06:21.47 | well_laid_lawn | I still use xmms |
| 06:22.00 | well_laid_lawn | with the rootvis patch |
| 06:22.09 | RayzrShrp | what is the rootvis patch |
| 06:22.53 | well_laid_lawn | has a display which shows the different 'tones?' levels across the screen |
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| 06:23.06 | RayzrShrp | so like a vu meter |
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| 06:25.40 | well_laid_lawn | http://www.postimg.com/141000/snappy-51-140928.jpg |
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| 06:26.19 | RayzrShrp | that your desktop? |
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| 06:26.37 | well_laid_lawn | it's an older shot but yep |
| 06:26.48 | RayzrShrp | thats slick, like the background |
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| 06:27.06 | well_laid_lawn | found it on the web ages ago |
| 06:27.13 | RayzrShrp | you running wheezy or squeeze? |
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| 06:27.24 | well_laid_lawn | archlinux atm |
| 06:27.26 | codygman | How do you guys handle adding ssh keys to your ssh-agent? For instance, I'd like every instance of my terminal to have the ssh key cached. |
| 06:27.39 | RayzrShrp | what is that bar across the top |
| 06:28.15 | themill | codygman: within X? |
| 06:28.22 | well_laid_lawn | that's from my wm - it has a desktop switcher and show some system info |
| 06:29.22 | well_laid_lawn | http://github.com/moetunes/Nextwm |
| 06:29.23 | codygman | themill: What would I use though? Could I just add it to my .xinitrc maybe? Some of my ssh keys are password protected. |
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| 06:30.27 | themill | codygman: so you start your ssh-agent prior to starting X -- the default debian setup does this for you already. You can then feed in the keys you want to add once (with keychain or ssh-add etc) and they are then universally available. |
| 06:30.58 | RayzrShrp | cool well i'm out, hitting the rack |
| 06:31.08 | RayzrShrp | night all |
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| 06:42.59 | Jckf | How many open inodes does a healthy small webserver have? |
| 06:43.27 | Jckf | Mine is approaching 150k, and I think it's killing performance |
| 06:43.31 | apm1 | thats like asking how many skin sells does a baby have ? |
| 06:43.34 | pav5088 | Jckf, how long is a piece of string |
| 06:43.36 | apm1 | *cells |
| 06:43.48 | jelly-home | Jckf: it depends on the httpd in question and the number of simultaneous connections |
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| 06:44.14 | Jckf | Nginx, 10 to 20 connections per second |
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| 06:44.59 | pav5088 | Jckf, have you looked at it with ionice? |
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| 06:45.44 | jelly-home | Jckf: that number sounds like new connections. How many exist at any point in time? |
| 06:46.00 | sungazer | Anyone know if it's safe to upgrade xfce to the 4.10 that just appeared in sid? I've also got xfce4-utils installed, which seems to be holding back xfce4-session at 4.8... |
| 06:46.01 | codygman | themill: Is there anyway to cache my actual ssh keys password? |
| 06:46.13 | sungazer | And I dunno if upgrading most of xfce4 to 4.10 but keeping xfce4-session at 4.8 is a good idea or not :S |
| 06:46.19 | themill | codygman: tools like gnome-keyring or kwallet will do that for you if you want. |
| 06:46.20 | codygman | I have to retype it each time I do a git pull for instance |
| 06:46.38 | themill | codygman: ahh - that's just you not feeding it to ssh-agent |
| 06:46.42 | codygman | themill: Are there any available that aren't tied to a desktop environment? I actually use xmonad. |
| 06:46.56 | Jckf | jelly-home: I am not sure how to find that number |
| 06:46.57 | codygman | themill: Ah, so I need to man ssh-agent then? |
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| 06:47.41 | themill | codygman: is ssh-agent running? does your shell have SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK set? |
| 06:48.13 | Jckf | jelly-home: When I say "web server" I am thinking of the box itself though. Not Nginx alone |
| 06:48.25 | pav5088 | Jckf, if you've got another Debian PC somewhere you can run some kind of monitoring tool eg. Zabbix which will give you excellent information on what's going on over time. |
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| 06:49.05 | sungazer | Nobody running xfce sid? |
| 06:49.14 | Jckf | This is the broken system atleast http://wolfram.jckf.no:81/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/open_inodes.html |
| 06:49.26 | pav5088 | sungazer, LXDE here... :) that's good enough for me. |
| 06:49.31 | Jckf | The drop after that one huge spike was a reboot |
| 06:49.37 | codygman | themill: Yes: http://sprunge.us/PbRS |
| 06:50.23 | themill | codygman: great, so ssh-add ~/.ssh/mykey; git pull |
| 06:51.04 | Jckf | CPU load increases in parallel with open inodes http://wolfram.jckf.no:81/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html |
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| 06:52.36 | pav5088 | Jckf, so, what's your limiting factor on performance? |
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| 06:52.41 | pav5088 | CPU, io? |
| 06:52.56 | jelly-home | Jckf: I don't have any experience with nginx; apache has a nice server-status module and page |
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| 06:54.08 | moof2 | sungazer, there may be... you understand the problems you face with sid? |
| 06:54.16 | truexfan81 | jelly-home: i have nginx running on my home server, uses alot less ram, and the configs and stuff are all pretty similar to apache2 |
| 06:54.17 | Jckf | pav5088: I don't know anything but what is shown in those graphs, and that the system slowly crawls to a halt |
| 06:54.42 | sungazer | moof2 yeah which is why i'm careful with updates rather than just accepting what the package manager says.. ;) |
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| 06:55.25 | truexfan81 | jelly-home: .htaccess files designed for apache also work with nginx :D |
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| 06:55.39 | moof2 | that's definitely good, so fortunately you're aware; unfortunately you have to be aware |
| 06:55.43 | pav5088 | Jckf, your inode usage would be fine with some hardware, and not with other hardware... you need to know if it's your CPU that's limiting... if it's disk io, or memory io... then you can start looking at things like inode usage (if disk io is your limiting factor) |
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| 06:56.22 | Jckf | pav5088: Thanks for clarifying. How would I go about debugging this? |
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| 06:56.53 | codygman | themill: Alright, I think I've got it working now. Thanks :D |
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| 06:57.56 | pav5088 | Jckf, "nice" for CPU usage, ionice for io... simply looking on the front of your machine at the HDD let (if it's hard red then your disk io is possibly a limiting factor). cat /proc/meminfo (for seeing how much free memory you have) etc... |
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| 06:59.34 | pav5088 | Jckf, you need to start from the basics... and that means finding out what's lacking in your situation... eg. CPU, memory, disk io, memory io |
| 06:59.45 | Jckf | That's not the problem |
| 06:59.49 | Jckf | This is not an overloaded system |
| 06:59.56 | Jckf | A reboot fixes it |
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| 07:00.28 | Jckf | The system has more load now, running nothing, than what it will have after a reboot and running all services |
| 07:00.34 | jelly-home | Jckf: and a restart of the service does not? |
| 07:00.39 | Jckf | No |
| 07:00.49 | jelly-home | that is unusual. |
| 07:00.50 | Jckf | It's not one services, it's the system |
| 07:00.54 | Jckf | *service |
| 07:00.56 | moof2 | it's worth a look, especially if you lose performance over time after a reboot |
| 07:01.18 | moof2 | of course if it remains stable, then maybe a reboot was all that was needed |
| 07:01.20 | jelly-home | Jckf: do you have any inotify users? |
| 07:01.20 | ompaul | Jckf: in that case I'd suspect hardware |
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| 07:01.26 | Jckf | All processes start spending more and more time in system calls, as the inode table size increases |
| 07:01.35 | pav5088 | Jckf, well... it must be some kind of runaway process... You can have a process that's "leaking memory" ie. allocating more and more memory over time. ...or spawning more and more processes, or getting into infinite loops somewhere etc... |
| 07:01.58 | Jckf | pav5088: Without them being visible in top? |
| 07:02.10 | jelly-home | pav5088: he's already identified open filed/inodes as the leaked resource |
| 07:02.12 | Jckf | jelly-home: I don't even know what that is |
| 07:02.31 | freaxeh | sounds to me like a memory corruption issue |
| 07:02.55 | moof2 | are you creating a lot of files? or how does the inode table grow? |
| 07:02.55 | jelly-home | Jckf: a subsystem that uses fds but without an easy way to see how many are used |
| 07:03.23 | ompaul | Jckf: one suggestion use memtest86+ |
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| 07:03.25 | Jckf | moof2: I have no idea what the inodes point to |
| 07:03.35 | Jckf | ompaul: Remote system without an IP enabled KVM =( |
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| 07:04.03 | moof2 | hmm, pretty sure the way it works is you have file names, these point to inodes, which define the storage for the file |
| 07:04.07 | Jckf | jelly-home: I haven't set up anything like that, so unless it's a default thing, I don't have any |
| 07:04.25 | Jckf | moof2: Either way, I have no idea what they belong to =P |
| 07:04.34 | jelly-home | Jckf: yeha, that's what I thought when I installed kde! |
| 07:04.35 | ompaul | Jckf: you could see where they are writing with lsof - given it is remote get someone there to stick in a CD and test ram you are in trouble one way or another maybe do it overnight |
| 07:04.56 | freaxeh | a bad power supply can also cause corruption/errors to be produced from the hard drive(s) |
| 07:05.09 | moof2 | so, you're getting more and more inodes and you don't know why they're being created? |
| 07:05.27 | Jckf | Yup |
| 07:05.54 | Jckf | Killing all processes (except what's needed for me to SSH in) does not decrease the table size |
| 07:06.00 | jelly-home | Jckf: do you see an increase in /proc/sys/fs/file-nr as well? |
| 07:06.22 | freaxeh | check your logs, all of them |
| 07:06.45 | Jckf | file-nr is: 1152 0 202758 |
| 07:07.03 | Jckf | Right now. Watching it, but since nothing is running, it is not increasing |
| 07:07.05 | jelly-home | that's alright |
| 07:07.35 | Jckf | freaxeh: Cleared out my /var/log =D |
| 07:08.18 | jelly-home | so it's not open files as well, or you recently rebooted and there's no symptoms visible yet? |
| 07:08.21 | pav5088 | Jckf, you could look in temp to see if there is a huge number of files being created in there. |
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| 07:08.36 | Jckf | jelly-home: Haven't rebooted yet |
| 07:08.41 | pav5088 | ie. /tmp |
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| 07:08.49 | jelly-home | Jckf: checked df -i yet? |
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| 07:09.16 | moses | is debian good for running code? |
| 07:09.22 | Jckf | wolfram:/home/jckf# ls /tmp/ |
| 07:09.22 | Jckf | hsperfdata_jckf hsperfdata_root |
| 07:09.36 | moof2 | moses, that's all computers do |
| 07:09.42 | moses | I know :/ |
| 07:09.47 | moses | which one is the best though |
| 07:09.48 | jelly-home | moses: that question makes no sense, "running code" is what operating systems are made for by definition |
| 07:10.01 | jelly-home | !tell moses about best |
| 07:10.02 | moses | yes but I mean I have this program |
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| 07:10.15 | pav5088 | moses, are you looking for an OS to learn to program on? |
| 07:10.18 | moof2 | sure... depending on the presently unknown meaning of "best" |
| 07:10.23 | Jckf | jelly-home: df -i http://pastebin.com/Fy7YuVWQ |
| 07:10.42 | moses | I am looking for an OS that will run this code and do everything that I want to do |
| 07:10.55 | moof2 | define "this code" |
| 07:10.56 | Jckf | moses: What code? Which language? |
| 07:11.01 | jelly-home | Jckf: nothing on the tmpfs'es |
| 07:11.05 | moses | fortran |
| 07:11.20 | moses | and a program whcih I dont know what its written in |
| 07:11.24 | moses | called tinker |
| 07:11.24 | moof2 | there is a gnu fortran compiler, you could try that |
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| 07:11.44 | moses | no I need the other compiler |
| 07:11.49 | moses | the intel one |
| 07:11.51 | moof2 | what os are you running now? |
| 07:11.58 | moses | windows |
| 07:12.04 | pav5088 | moses, it sounds like what you REALLY need is some help... in person. |
| 07:12.24 | moses | I just wanted your advice |
| 07:12.32 | moses | I literally dont know which os to install |
| 07:12.34 | moof2 | what are you looking for debian (or whatever) to improve? |
| 07:12.46 | moses | im not looking to improve anything |
| 07:12.50 | moses | I need a unix based os |
| 07:12.53 | moses | for what i want to do |
| 07:12.58 | moses | I dont know which one to choose |
| 07:13.00 | moof2 | there is no guarantee to run the intel compiler |
| 07:13.13 | truexfan81 | moses: i'm pretty sure the intel compiler was designed to run on windows |
| 07:13.21 | moses | yeah I will be coding on windows |
| 07:13.33 | moses | but I will but the binaries on a unix sys |
| 07:13.41 | moof2 | what is it you want to do, with a unix-alike? |
| 07:13.55 | moses | http://dasher.wustl.edu/ffe/ |
| 07:13.58 | moses | this program |
| 07:14.01 | moses | needs to be installed |
| 07:14.02 | apm1 | he wants to cross compile *nix binaries on windows |
| 07:14.05 | apm1 | in fortran |
| 07:14.10 | sungazer | will the intel compiler cross compile to ELF and statically link absolutely everything it needs to run? :V |
| 07:15.02 | themill | truexfan81: no, ifort is for linux too. (I personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole for a obvious reasons) |
| 07:15.16 | truexfan81 | lol |
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| 07:15.22 | Tyller | hello |
| 07:15.28 | Jckf | jelly-home and pav5088: So no idea then? |
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| 07:16.16 | themill | moses: tinker offers precompiled versions -- you could just use them |
| 07:16.22 | moses | yeah |
| 07:16.27 | moses | with which OS though? |
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| 07:16.37 | moses | honestly here is my situation |
| 07:16.40 | truexfan81 | debian |
| 07:16.43 | Tyller | I am a huge noob so pardon my mistakes and else, i'd like to know what is the easiest application to install on a debian server (64 bits, squeeze) to get a vpn. |
| 07:16.44 | moses | oh ok |
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| 07:16.48 | Tyller | on a vps server |
| 07:16.48 | moses | So debian it is? |
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| 07:17.20 | moof2 | moses, debian and maybe a paid service contract |
| 07:17.21 | peterrooney | moses: why not simply download it to the machine you'll be running it on? |
| 07:17.23 | Jckf | jelly-home and pav5088: This is /proc/interrupts http://pastebin.com/Up78G1Mu |
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| 07:17.49 | pav5088 | Jckf, it sounds like you've got buggy software or failing hardware. |
| 07:18.00 | moses | because the fortran code I have uses linux based commands |
| 07:18.02 | themill | is pretty sure it would compile with gfortran too, but hey |
| 07:18.26 | moof2 | yeah, you should try it |
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| 07:18.49 | peterrooney | moses: if the code you have uses "linux based commands", then it's not fortran. |
| 07:18.55 | pav5088 | Jckf, has this system ever worked correctly in its current configuration? |
| 07:18.58 | moses | what? |
| 07:19.09 | moses | how would it not be fortran? |
| 07:19.19 | pav5088 | moses, fortran runs on anything. |
| 07:19.21 | Jckf | pav5088: Yes, I've only had the one spike before, and the one that is building now. Approximately one month since last time. |
| 07:19.22 | peterrooney | moses: fortran is a programming language, independant of any operating system. |
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| 07:19.43 | Jckf | pav5088: Software has changed a little though |
| 07:19.48 | moof2 | there may be a short-to-medium learning curve to checking out the compiler and whether it can build the code in question |
| 07:20.03 | pav5088 | Jckf, is there any way to revert the software changes? |
| 07:20.05 | peterrooney | fortran compilers are available for various operating systems, which create a binary for that operating system from the fortran code |
| 07:20.20 | moses | yes but listen |
| 07:20.31 | Jckf | pav5088: Nope. It includes all updates from Aptitude |
| 07:20.43 | moses | the way the code is set up it utilizes specific unix based commands to interact with tinker |
| 07:21.06 | moses | so there is tinker then theres this code and I need them to interact |
| 07:21.19 | pav5088 | Jckf, basically it's "The Art of Zen and Motorcycle Maintenance"... just keep trying to divide the problem into smaller pieces. It sucks that you don't have access to the hardware. |
| 07:21.30 | ilon | Hello. I'm trying to install Wheezy on a Dell T710, but the installer (CD1 as well as netboot) fails to detect the network card (bnx2). I try to put firmware-bnx2_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb on a USB drive and load it from, but installer dont find any, and suggest missmatch. Which version SHOULD i use for the installer? |
| 07:21.33 | moses | and the fortran code does that using linux commands, actually at a later time I may try and do this with windows |
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| 07:22.29 | moses | so is it makingmore sense? |
| 07:22.34 | sungazer | "linux commands". got an example? |
| 07:22.39 | moses | i do |
| 07:22.45 | peterrooney | moses: No. You're not revealing what "this code" is. |
| 07:22.48 | pav5088 | Jckf, if you work out what the problem ISN'T, that's actually progress. |
| 07:22.54 | moses | its fortran |
| 07:23.00 | moses | it interacts with tinker |
| 07:23.04 | moses | thats it? |
| 07:23.05 | themill | moses: perhaps you could put some of this code in http://paste.debian.net/ so we could understand it |
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| 07:23.33 | pav5088 | moses, did you download this from the internet? |
| 07:23.43 | themill | comes to the slow and painful realisation he just volunteered to read someone else's fortran |
| 07:23.50 | sungazer | Cos if it's simple stuff like cat, echo, or whatever, you could likely write a stub version that replicates it on windows. Or give running it in cygwin a go. |
| 07:23.53 | moses | no this is not my code |
| 07:23.57 | moses | so im kinda scared to share it |
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| 07:24.17 | sungazer | Share the "linux commands" it's spawning. |
| 07:24.19 | truexfan81 | pats themill on the back and says "there there" |
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| 07:24.59 | pav5088 | moses, have you heard of Cygwin? It's a unix environment that you can run under Windows. |
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| 07:25.09 | moses | yeah im using putty right now |
| 07:25.16 | moses | im on a shell |
| 07:25.29 | peterrooney | moses: I repeat: why can't you just download tinker (binary or source) onto the machine it will be running on? |
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| 07:26.15 | moses | peterrooney: I plan to do that |
| 07:26.24 | moses | i dont need to compile it |
| 07:26.31 | tdn_ | I have just bought two 3 TB WD red disks. They use 4k physical sectors, however, the logical sectors are still reported as 512b. I am getting quite poor I/O performance, so I am worried that they are misaligned. How do I fix this? I have tried using parted /dev/sdb align-check optimal 1, and it says "1 aligned". But can it still be a problem that the disks report logical sector size og 512 bytes when it is in fact 4k? |
| 07:26.34 | moses | I just need a system where I can use these thigns safely |
| 07:27.04 | moses | call system (dynamicpath) |
| 07:27.17 | moses | thats an example |
| 07:27.23 | themill | cries |
| 07:27.57 | sungazer | is... dynamicpath a string variable? what's it's contents? |
| 07:28.41 | moses | dynamic path is like /usr/blah/blah |
| 07:28.44 | peterrooney | moses: debian has fortran compilers, and is available in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. so, if you want a testbed that's not the other machine, there you go. |
| 07:29.16 | sungazer | So change the fortran code so it reads "C:\\Program Files (x86)\blah\blah" |
| 07:29.20 | sungazer | And give that a go :V |
| 07:29.29 | moses | true I could do this |
| 07:29.30 | themill | moses: I think we've reached the limit of what we can tell you here -- you'll have to try it for yourself |
| 07:29.36 | pav5088 | moses: http://fortranhelp.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/i-have-just-installed-gfortran-on.html |
| 07:29.47 | moses | thanks guys |
| 07:29.51 | pav5088 | http://dasher.wustl.edu/ffe/ |
| 07:30.02 | truexfan81 | there is also ##programming |
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| 07:30.13 | moses | suprisingly not good with fortran |
| 07:30.33 | pav5088 | moses: there are Windows binaries for Tinker, and there are also Windows fortran compilers + GNU tools etc... |
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| 07:30.48 | moses | ok I will try it out ok |
| 07:30.57 | moses | can i come back if i get stuck? |
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| 07:31.26 | tidux | is there any way to load nouveau in Wheezy without KMS? |
| 07:31.32 | pav5088 | moses: Sure... but not sure we'll be much help. |
| 07:31.37 | tidux | my old G4 iMac can't really do KMS |
| 07:31.42 | tidux | because the GPU is from 2002 |
| 07:31.50 | moses | well first |
| 07:31.55 | tidux | so without KMS, no nouveau, and I have to use the fbdev X driver |
| 07:31.57 | moses | I need to install a fortran compiler |
| 07:31.58 | tidux | which sucks |
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| 07:32.38 | internat | hey is there a history file for installs? like does dpkg/apt store changes? |
| 07:32.54 | tidux | look in /var/lib/apt and /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 07:33.49 | peterrooney | tidux: there's also #debianppc, which is kind of slow. Conversations have been known to have a day between <enter>s |
| 07:34.13 | tidux | bummer |
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| 07:34.32 | peterrooney | tidux: I don't think I've ever put debian on the lampshade. |
| 07:34.58 | tidux | it runs quite nicely except for the lack of xv overlay |
| 07:35.03 | tidux | in the fbdev driver |
| 07:35.07 | tidux | oh, and youtube is unusable |
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| 07:35.32 | tidux | but sound, ethernet, IDE controller, USB controller, everything works |
| 07:35.45 | peterrooney | emacs, MDDs, B&Ws, and iBooks, but not the lampshade. |
| 07:35.46 | tidux | the look of horror I got when I plugged my old XT/AT keyboard into it through a chain of adapters... |
| 07:35.56 | Mackwerk | using an identity file with rsync is just like this no? rsync -i /path/to/file.pem etc. |
| 07:35.57 | tidux | CLACK CLACK CLACK |
| 07:36.00 | peterrooney | tidux: flash on ppc may be forever a lost cause. |
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| 07:36.09 | tidux | flash bah |
| 07:36.13 | tidux | I meant html5 in firefox |
| 07:36.16 | tidux | *iceweasel |
| 07:36.18 | tidux | and midori |
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| 07:38.35 | tidux | Flash on PPC on Linux has pretty much never worked |
| 07:38.37 | tidux | and good riddance |
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| 07:39.16 | reber | hi |
| 07:39.25 | reber | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:39.34 | reber | after this install (with grub 2 installed), linux boots perfectly but windows complains about bcd and refuses to start anymore. Any ideas to repair the problem please ? |
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| 07:40.37 | tidux | reber: welcome to the joys of Secure Boot |
| 07:40.43 | tidux | disable it in your UEFI |
| 07:40.49 | moses | is the intel fortran compiler free? |
| 07:41.03 | tidux | if you can't disable it, sue |
| 07:41.10 | truexfan81 | reber: ##windows would probably be the best place to get help fixing windows |
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| 07:41.37 | reber | truexfan81, yes my bad |
| 07:42.06 | tidux | truexfan81: Secure Boot lives in UEFI, not Windows |
| 07:42.21 | tidux | it's just a large, spectacularly shitty BIOS feature |
| 07:42.41 | reber | tidux, do you mean in bios settings ? |
| 07:42.52 | reber | tidux, ok you've answered :) |
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| 07:44.04 | Mackwerk | How do I use an identity .pem file with rsync? :o |
| 07:45.03 | tidux | Mackwerk: rtfm |
| 07:45.26 | Mackwerk | tidux, thanks, I am and I am stumped that's why I thought I'd ask here but nevermind |
| 07:46.22 | tidux | Mackwerk: I'm pretty sure it's literally in the man page |
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| 07:47.21 | tidux | Mackwerk: what's the larger goal here? |
| 07:47.34 | Mackwerk | Nevermind :) |
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| 07:50.28 | jacobw | Mackwerk: rsync uses an SSH session, the authentication is handled by SSH |
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| 07:50.40 | moses | ok so i got the linux compiler |
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| 07:50.46 | moses | the only one thats free is the linux one |
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| 07:50.51 | moses | which is why I need to use linux |
| 07:50.54 | Mackwerk | thanks jacobw :p |
| 07:50.55 | jacobw | Mackwerk: rsyncd has it's own password based authentication scheme |
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| 07:51.12 | Thinky | Hey |
| 07:51.14 | moses | Im going to do everything using debian and a VM virtualbox |
| 07:51.44 | jacobw | moses: Linux compiler? |
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| 07:52.11 | moses | yeah |
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| 07:52.16 | moses | fortran compiler for linux |
| 07:52.22 | moses | the free version is for linux only |
| 07:52.29 | moses | which now makes sense why the code is for linux |
| 07:52.34 | moses | the intel one |
| 07:52.37 | jacobw | I see |
| 07:52.41 | moses | so |
| 07:52.55 | moses | now the question is which distro should i put on the vm and put all of this on |
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| 07:52.58 | moses | debian? |
| 07:53.03 | moses | ubuntu? |
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| 07:54.14 | apm1 | moses, this being a debian channel , what do you think ? |
| 07:54.20 | moses | well come on |
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| 07:54.26 | moses | honest advice |
| 07:54.40 | moses | I was going to choose debian anyways |
| 07:54.43 | apm1 | debian if you want to be in control |
| 07:54.59 | apm1 | pmo, oyi mate hows it going ? :) |
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| 07:56.38 | Tyller | I am a huge noob so pardon my mistakes and else, i'd like to know what is the easiest application to install on a debian server (64 bits, squeeze) to get a vpn. |
| 07:57.48 | rjsalts | Tyller: it would depend on what kind of vpn you wanted |
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| 07:58.10 | Tyller | i have no idea. |
| 07:58.29 | Tyller | for me it just has to be possible to use throu multi plateform |
| 07:58.42 | Tyller | or eventually set it on a rooter |
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| 07:59.17 | rjsalts | Tyller: much of it will depend on the clients using the VPN, find out what they support |
| 07:59.31 | freaxeh | hi, I'm having some problems with my computer |
| 07:59.47 | Tyller | but on the server side, there is many choicesM |
| 07:59.49 | Tyller | ? |
| 07:59.51 | freaxeh | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K3Su4_CIqEs/TrCXNrJcJWI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/DbcmpBhdyYU/s1600/IMG_5472.JPG |
| 08:00.03 | freaxeh | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VasFXJ6x7vs/TrCXm-NS3BI/AAAAAAAAAaA/s5-j_emGfgA/s1600/IMG_5485.JPG |
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| 08:00.09 | freaxeh | do you see anything wrong in these photos? |
| 08:00.40 | freaxeh | http://freegeekvancouver.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/macintosh-autopsy.html |
| 08:00.59 | freaxeh | someone paste it to ##hardware for me, I'm not voiced |
| 08:01.17 | freaxeh | get a kick out of it :P |
| 08:02.23 | rjsalts | Tyller: depends on what type of vpn you have as to what software you'd be able to use, but if you're talking ipsec openswan would be suitable. If you're using pptp then install pptpd, etc. |
| 08:02.42 | Tyller | i kind of tried to install pptpd |
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| 08:03.13 | Tyller | seems to not work in a way or an other and my noobatitude cant seems to help me finding out what ive done wrong |
| 08:03.50 | Tyller | ill google openswan |
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| 08:05.01 | rjsalts | Tyller: pptp logs to syslog, check in /var/log/messages etc. |
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| 08:05.14 | Tyller | i looked there |
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| 08:05.26 | rjsalts | but pptp is pretty bad in terms of security |
| 08:05.32 | Tyller | evemn though i dont know what im supposed to look. |
| 08:05.36 | rjsalts | there are known weaknesses in the authentication |
| 08:05.40 | jacobw | OpenVPN ftw |
| 08:06.00 | sleepr | i run a old version of debian and i want to upgrade it to the latest, can i do that remotely? :) |
| 08:06.06 | Tyller | you have to understand, i use debian since monday, for the very first time of my life, with no particular knowledge at all |
| 08:06.07 | sleepr | yes am a noob |
| 08:06.15 | Iridos | Tyller, what do you want the vpn for... and do you want to access an existing vpn server or would you control both sides |
| 08:06.24 | Tyller | control both side |
| 08:06.28 | Tyller | i have a vps server in hk |
| 08:06.40 | Tyller | with an hongkong ip* |
| 08:06.51 | Iridos | and what services do you want to use through it? |
| 08:06.54 | Tyller | i'd like to make a vpn for private / corporate use |
| 08:07.04 | Tyller | just access internet :D |
| 08:07.06 | Iridos | oh, both ways? |
| 08:07.08 | Tyller | im in mainland china |
| 08:07.37 | Tyller | so the idea is to try to make something work in order to access blocked websites |
| 08:07.48 | Iridos | so just one-way and just websites? |
| 08:07.59 | Iridos | and just for you? |
| 08:08.17 | Tyller | if it works nicely, best would be to set it on the rooter of the company |
| 08:08.23 | Tyller | -small company |
| 08:08.35 | Tyller | and yes, just websites |
| 08:08.56 | Iridos | because... then you can simply do ssh -D 1234 remotehost.somewhere.com and then configure your browser to use localhost:1234 as a socks proxy |
| 08:09.02 | Tyller | its that sometimes wed like to reach vimeo and such websites. |
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| 08:09.32 | sleepr | Iridos: any idea how i can update a oldstable to a "normal" latest version of debian build? :P |
| 08:09.40 | Tyller | i dont quiet get it =D |
| 08:09.50 | Iridos | sleepr, what version of debian is it? |
| 08:10.05 | sleepr | actually i have no idea :) |
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| 08:10.24 | Tyller | ok ok anyway. |
| 08:10.28 | sleepr | uname -a = Linux villain 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 10 08:43:19 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:10.29 | rjsalts | Tyller: what Iridos suggests is pretty sensible, you can also put flags in ssh to bind to main ip on your computer and allow other hosts in the company to use same SOCKS proxy |
| 08:10.34 | Iridos | Tyller, you're at your linux machine... local.machine. you connect to the remote machine remotehost.somewhere.com using ssh -D 1234 remotehost.somewhere.com |
| 08:11.29 | Iridos | Tyller, then you go into firefox/iceweasel configuration, go to "advanced", look for proxy settings and set localhost:1234 as a proxy and theck the "socks proxy" checkmark |
| 08:11.30 | rjsalts | Tyller: it's what I do when some jerk geoip locks their video streams |
| 08:11.58 | Iridos | sleepr, cat /etc/debian_version ... and probably also good to do dpkg -l libc6 |
| 08:12.21 | sleepr | 6.0.7 |
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| 08:12.43 | Tyller | go slow go slow, |
| 08:12.45 | Iridos | dpkg, tell sleepr about squeeze->wheezy |
| 08:12.53 | Tyller | let ;e reed -_- |
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| 08:13.11 | sleepr | Iridos: thanks :) |
| 08:13.16 | Tyller | i see. |
| 08:13.27 | Tyller | well, ill search for some doc then |
| 08:13.39 | Iridos | Tyller, that was already *it* |
| 08:13.44 | Iridos | try it and see |
| 08:14.08 | Tyller | no but, even like that, i dont get it at all. |
| 08:14.21 | Iridos | that's why I suggested it... it's simple |
| 08:14.23 | Iridos | ?? |
| 08:14.30 | rjsalts | Tyller: or man ssh, but it's much less helpful than Iridos's instructions |
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| 08:15.08 | Tyller | okok, wait. |
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| 08:15.50 | Tyller | what is the remote machine *remotehost.somewhere.com* ? |
| 08:16.05 | Tyller | i think i dont get this part. |
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| 08:19.16 | Iridos | Tyller, the machine in hongkong |
| 08:19.33 | Tyller | ok. |
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| 08:20.04 | sleepr | ironmunk: im upgrading now, wish me luck :-p |
| 08:20.14 | sleepr | ops |
| 08:20.20 | sleepr | Iridos* |
| 08:20.26 | ironmunk | thanks for letting me know sleepr |
| 08:20.30 | sleepr | :) |
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| 08:26.47 | SexyKen-FN | GUys, I'm running squeeze and for some reason I can't apt-get install ntpdate?it says: Package ntpdate is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 08:28.25 | Iridos | SexyKen-FN, use ntpd |
| 08:28.27 | Iridos | dpkg, ntpdate |
| 08:28.28 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 08:28.42 | sleepr | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 08:28.45 | sleepr | :S |
| 08:30.45 | Iridos | sleepr, you didn't read the release notes as the factoid says... you also very obviously didn't read <squeeze->wheezy failures> |
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| 08:31.24 | Iridos | sleepr, the <>-brackets indicate that the term inside them is another factoid... so you should do /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures |
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| 08:32.03 | mastro | Is there someone who can read an hardware error / kernel panic log? I need direction on what to look for: http://pastebin.ca/2379876 --- specifically I need to understand if this is an hardware issue or software, if hardware I don't know how I can get a repair (it's random), if software I don't know which software I can look into and how to find help |
| 08:33.14 | sleepr | heh |
| 08:34.13 | Trewas | mastro: did you try "Run the above through 'mcelog --ascii'"? |
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| 08:35.57 | Iridos | hmm... would that work after a reboot? |
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| 08:37.47 | mastro | Trewas, it's not clear to me what I should do. running 'mcelog --ascii' from root terminal produce no effect (no output, program just wait for something) --- and as Iridos say, I had to reboot (actually hard reboot since I found my laptop stuck there this morning) -- I had to manually read and write the errors into another laptop I have before rebooting it |
| 08:37.49 | ChrisH_ | Iridos: man mcelog states it should work for a warm reset. |
| 08:38.00 | Iridos | mastro, well, obviously... Machine check: Processor context corrupt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Check_Exception |
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| 08:38.31 | ChrisH_ | mastro: then install mcelog as daemon and wait for the next time. but it looks like HW error to me. |
| 08:38.41 | Iridos | mastro, you're supposed to paste the messages you put in the pastebin into it (the ones connected to the kernel panic, before the line which tells you to run it through mcelog) |
| 08:39.22 | mastro | my laptop is freezing for a while now, I never saw anything in log until this morning because yesterday I switched to console before going bed... I always have to force a shutdown by keep pressed the shutdown button for a while -- not even magic SysRQ works |
| 08:39.36 | Iridos | ChrisH_, yeah... I only ain't too sure you can still do a warm reset in a lot of those cases |
| 08:39.48 | Iridos | heh |
| 08:39.55 | Iridos | memo to self: type quicker |
| 08:40.14 | mastro | Iridos, should I also copy the initial [3003.81234] part? |
| 08:40.23 | mastro | Iridos, into the mcelog I mean |
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| 08:40.53 | caraconan | Hi there. There's a way to mount sshfs on boot time without exchanging ssh keys between client and server? |
| 08:41.04 | Iridos | mastro, don't think you need to bother after a cold restart of the machine (see our discussion above) |
| 08:41.43 | Iridos | mastro, no, wait, that should still work |
| 08:42.04 | mastro | Iridos, yup that's what I tough but I can't warm reboot there |
| 08:42.13 | Iridos | manpage says: In addition mcelog can be used on the command line to decode the kernel output for a fatal machine check panic in text format using the --ascii option. This is typically used to decode the panic console output of a fatal machine check, if the system was power cycled or mcelog didn't run immediately after reboot. |
| 08:42.18 | mastro | Iridos, hum.. Ok I have to figure out out to use mcelog |
| 08:42.50 | Iridos | you just run mcelog --ascii |
| 08:42.53 | Iridos | then paste your stuff in? |
| 08:43.54 | Iridos | hm |
| 08:44.00 | Iridos | doesn't seem to do a lot, though |
| 08:44.05 | mastro | Iridos, tried, it print out a line (the PROCESSOR one) and then wait for other input |
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| 08:46.24 | Trewas | hum yeah the mcelog decoding that error is not very human-readable, "Hardware event. This is not a software error." |
| 08:47.31 | Trewas | probably more can be found from reading processor documentation based on bank number etc |
| 08:48.04 | mastro | Trewas, Iridos -- I've executed mcelog --ascii, pasted the 4 lines before the suggestion and pressed enter, it just printed out the PROCESSOR line again, then wait for other input... does anyone know how to use mcelog? |
| 08:48.29 | Trewas | mastro: make text file with those log lines, cat file| mcelog --ascii |
| 08:48.34 | mastro | Trewas, I suppose bank number refer to internal structure (physical) of the processor? |
| 08:48.44 | mastro | Trellmor_, ok let me try |
| 08:48.47 | Trewas | mastro: yeah |
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| 08:49.48 | mastro | Trewas, cat <file> produce the exact same output of cat <file> | mcelog --ascii |
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| 08:51.29 | mastro | Ok I stripped out the [3003.2134] part, the [Hardware Error]: part and now it printed something |
| 08:51.37 | mastro | Hardware event. This is not a software error. |
| 08:51.42 | mastro | (Fields were incomplete) |
| 08:52.10 | Trewas | mastro: http://pastebin.ca/2379893 |
| 08:52.21 | Trewas | ok, you got it working :) |
| 08:52.39 | Trewas | but not very informative anyway |
| 08:52.59 | ChrisH_ | Trewas: can you retry as root? mcelog: Cannot open /dev/mem for DMI decoding: Permission denied |
| 08:53.44 | mastro | ChrisH_, I tried as root, it print the same |
| 08:53.56 | Iridos | yeah.., if it's something with ram, then it might tell which of them it is |
| 08:53.58 | Iridos | ok |
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| 08:54.26 | Iridos | but maybe it does it anyway? |
| 08:54.27 | mastro | ChrisH_, Trewas Iridos http://pastebin.ca/2379896 |
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| 08:54.46 | Iridos | mastro, "bank 4" sounds like it would be the 4th of your RAM thingies? |
| 08:55.12 | ChrisH_ | I took one example from one of my systems: http://paste.debian.net/5698/ |
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| 08:55.57 | ChrisH | I took this from mcelog running as daemon. |
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| 08:56.02 | Iridos | I mean... it says "CPU 2", CPU 3, CPU 1 etc. etc. |
| 08:56.07 | Iridos | but it's always Bank4 |
| 08:56.22 | Iridos | so sounds like different processors at some time see that something is wrong with the ram? |
| 08:57.05 | mastro | Iridos, if bank refer to ram that maybe.. I can run a ram test overnight and see what it comes out |
| 08:57.31 | Iridos | well... I cannot imagine that it refers to something you sit on or to something that you bring your money to so they can throw it away |
| 08:57.49 | mastro | ChrisH, do you mean you also have some hardware issue? |
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| 08:58.09 | Iridos | mastro, also sounds like you have 4 ram wossnames... banks ... you could try taking two of them out and see if the error stops |
| 08:58.44 | Trewas | banks probably do not mean memory banks, MCE errors are about the processor, not memory |
| 08:58.47 | Iridos | mastro, or at least the 4th one... but there's often restrictions like that you can only fill slot3 and slot4 together or not at all (depends on your hardware) |
| 08:58.56 | mastro | Iridos, sure that would leave me with 4 gb (sigh) but I can try |
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| 08:59.01 | nullby7e | how can i set to full-script a video clip from youtube? |
| 08:59.04 | ChrisH | mastro: My system has HW problems, but no problem are visible. Anything gets corrected before the kernel sees it. |
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| 08:59.13 | nullby7e | how can i set to full-screen a video clip from youtube? |
| 08:59.13 | Iridos | Trewas, hm... but what else, then? |
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| 08:59.32 | Iridos | mastro, well... over night? it would be easier than changing the processor, so much for sure :P |
| 08:59.41 | sleepr | Iridos: the apt-get dist-updrage worked fine now! just reboot and my system should be up to date ? :P |
| 08:59.52 | Trewas | Iridos: quick googling found http://communities.intel.com/thread/20640 (see the last message) but that is actually more relevant for AMD |
| 09:00.10 | mastro | ChrisH, Iridos Trewas anyway in /var/log/mcelog I've lot of error like: Processor 2 below trip temperature. Throttling disabled |
| 09:00.17 | Iridos | Trewas, hmm |
| 09:00.53 | mastro | but the temperature of my laptop is always below 50 degree (keep it monitored) so that's sound weird to me |
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| 09:01.20 | ChrisH | mastro: I have that on my Sandybridge Laptop, too. And I ignore these MCEs |
| 09:01.26 | Iridos | Trewas, sounds like it... but then I still find it funny that you get the same problem on *all* CPUs |
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| 09:02.24 | Trewas | Iridos: presumably it is just one multi-core processor, which means that they all share the same memory controller etc |
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| 09:02.36 | Iridos | and this at least says for amd: Bank 4 – Northbridge and DRAM. |
| 09:02.38 | Iridos | hm |
| 09:02.54 | ChrisH | you might show us lshw -short on paste.debian.net |
| 09:04.35 | mastro | ChrisH, coming, I had to install lshw |
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| 09:06.52 | nullby7e | is there a adobe flash plugin in wheezy? |
| 09:07.01 | Mackwerk | I've never written a shell script before, but I need to read some variables that the program Barman makes available in the shell environment when it fires a script, how will I do this? |
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| 09:07.46 | mastro | ChrisH, Iridos Trellmor_ lshw -short --> http://paste.debian.net/5699/ |
| 09:07.52 | ChrisH | Mackwerk: run 'set' in your scrip to see all vaiables or if you know all, simply access them using $VARIABLENAME |
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| 09:08.16 | Mackwerk | ChrisH, sweet, thanks :) |
| 09:09.01 | ChrisH | mastro: as expected. Its only 1 CPU. similar to my Laptop. |
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| 09:09.49 | mastro | ChrisH, yes, it's a quad core |
| 09:10.28 | mastro | ChrisH, I now notice that I only have 2 blocks of rams, 4 gb each |
| 09:11.24 | ChrisH | mastro: as it is a Dell, it shoould be easy to remove one of them and test, |
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| 09:11.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell nullby7e about adobe flash |
| 09:12.47 | babilen | nullby7e: I'd recommend to simply install the flashplugin-nonfree package from <contrib> and would advise against using <dmm> as it does not integrate nicely |
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| 09:16.25 | nullby7e | thank you babilen ! |
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| 09:17.58 | Tjati | Hi there. I am in rescue mode of my debian server. I locked me out because of misconfiguration ldap and pam. Is there a way to purge these setups? It's fine if I loose everything of the configurations there. |
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| 09:19.21 | kaste | in what way misconfigured? |
| 09:19.35 | Mackwerk | ChrisH, can I evaluate a variable inside a string? Or how is that done? Concatenation? |
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| 09:22.05 | Tjati | kaste: any password based login failed. login via ssh key works. but passwd does not work, and neither sudo nor su. |
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| 09:22.44 | Tjati | kaste: using the terminal directly does not work |
| 09:23.08 | ChrisH | Mackwerk: depends on why you want to do. provide an example on paste.debian.net or read man bash :) |
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| 09:25.43 | Tjati | Is it possible to disable pam.d-auth on booting? or something similar? |
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| 09:27.49 | moses | exit |
| 09:28.12 | kaste | Tjati: I was rather asking how you got into that state? You must have done something weird to the pam config and that's not something you normally touch. How does passwd fail? |
| 09:29.06 | kaste | in case you screwed all your passwords and none of passwd,sudo and su work because you forgot them/don't have them and you get root access via a key, you could copy a known good /etc/shadow |
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| 09:32.06 | joltcan | or you boot and set init=/bin/sh and then change the passwords |
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| 09:33.52 | kaste | well s/he seems to be in rescue mode already so I guess s/he tried that part already |
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| 09:35.07 | mastro | ChrisH, dunno if I can remove 1 RAM. (often they have to be two banks) -- I'll start executing a memory test overnight and see what happens |
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| 09:35.45 | Guest13629 | sup, Any idea how to get the Lighthouseblue theme engine working under Wheezy? |
| 09:35.50 | mastro | ChrisH, the main issue here is: if I found out this is an hardware problem how to use the warranty to get a replacement -- aka how do I prove this is an hardware fault? |
| 09:36.42 | mastro | ChrisH, I'm writing from the same very laptop that randomly freeze sometimes .. and It can last one day or more before blowing up -- so it is apparently perfectly functional when tried out |
| 09:37.24 | kaste | mastro: I've never had problems with RAM RMA :), it's more expensive to test if it's faulty then to just send you a new one |
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| 09:37.34 | kaste | they usually just give you a replacement |
| 09:37.43 | freaxeh | sounds like loose ram to me |
| 09:38.05 | freaxeh | or dry joint somewhere, crack in the pcb, could be anything in a modern computer |
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| 09:42.32 | Tjati | kaste: "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error" is my error. and it happened since i did something weird to pam.d. but I do not have any idea now, what! So I want to reset everything. |
| 09:42.41 | Tjati | kaste: otherwise i am going to reinstall. |
| 09:43.36 | ChrisH | mastro: Get in touch with Dell, they will normally assist you through identifying defective Parts and send them out. |
| 09:44.32 | mastro | ChrisH, I hope Dell Italy will do that :) thanks for the assistance |
| 09:44.33 | Tjati | shit. passwd does not work in rescue mode. mount -rw -o remount / does not help -.- |
| 09:45.08 | mastro | kaste, I'll try to test it overnight anyway, then go with the suggestion of ChrisH to contact them |
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| 09:45.14 | moof2 | Tjati, then the problme could be in how you altered the pam config... restore from the backup you made before altering |
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| 09:45.27 | moof2 | after you do that, try again |
| 09:46.07 | ChrisH | mastro: test it out. I assume it will work with the only one RAM installed- |
| 09:46.28 | Tjati | moof2: of course, there is no backup. creating a backup system was on my to do list this week. |
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| 09:46.56 | ChrisH | mastro: Do not mention you are using Linux will speed up things. If you can boot the Diagnostics is also useful. |
| 09:47.58 | mastro | ChrisH, ok, I'll keep that in mind... Diagnostics? you mean their diagnostic tools? do you know where I can find it? -- also when you said "contact them" which channel did you though about? |
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| 09:48.35 | sq9 | hi, i updated to Debian Wheezy yesterday, and now my laptop doesnt boot into GUI, so i end up having to type startx each time to start GUI |
| 09:48.44 | sq9 | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5626448 ----- lspci |
| 09:48.46 | ChrisH | mastro: Last times I used the phone channel. My Dell offered booting some diagnostic |
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| 09:49.31 | mastro | ChrisH, I see... I removed windows completely here, so I hope that didn't require it to run |
| 09:54.16 | Tjati | Okay. I am going to reinstall. How can I send files to my mail account using the command line? |
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| 09:54.57 | ChrisH | Tjati: use mutt or uuencode FILENAME FILENAME | mailx -s "SUBJECT" user@mail.domain |
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| 10:00.44 | Tjati | ChrisH: mutt does not work: could'nt lock /sent ?! |
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| 10:01.45 | ChrisH | Tjati: then use the uuencode way |
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| 10:03.38 | Tjati | uuencode not installed |
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| 10:03.44 | Tjati | i going to make screenshots. |
| 10:03.45 | Tjati | -.- |
| 10:05.07 | joaocfernandes | hi everyone i created a "virtual" ethernet interface in the file /etc/network/interfaces and used the hwaddress ether parameter to define the mac addr but when i bring the interface up i this interface haves the same mac addr of the real interface |
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| 10:35.28 | Mogget | Heu guys: I am strugling to get gnu-screen screenlocking to work with my user and password. When ever I do c-a X in screen I can not unlock it in Squeeze, but in Wheezy this works fine. Any ideas why? |
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| 10:36.24 | Mogget | I tried adding /etc/pam.d/screen and adding @include /etc/pam.d/common-auth |
| 10:36.34 | Mogget | That did not work either. |
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| 10:39.55 | jalalsfs | I installed guvcview openshot, but I can't find them in the Applications Menu in Xfce in Wheezy, what's the wrong with me? |
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| 10:44.11 | moof2 | are pdf viewers under /etc/alternatives? |
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| 10:59.55 | kench|2 | hi everyone i was wondering how to migrate from debian jessie to debian wheezy |
| 10:59.57 | ChrisH | moof2: not on my systems I checked |
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| 11:00.50 | kench|2 | when i installed debian it was testing (wheezy) |
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| 11:01.04 | kench|2 | and now i would like to keep wheezy |
| 11:01.15 | kench|2 | stable |
| 11:01.38 | kench|2 | do i need to re-install? |
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| 11:03.06 | ChrisH | kench|2: depends on your sources.list. pastebin them on paste.debian.net |
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| 11:03.16 | kench|2 | k |
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| 11:05.24 | kench|2 | http://paste.debian.net/5723/ |
| 11:05.27 | kench|2 | here |
| 11:05.48 | Pe3k | hello, does anybody use bluetooth mouse? I have problem with it, after I add bluetooth device it works well, but after restart it does not work and I need to remove it from paired devices and add again .. any idea? |
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| 11:06.58 | ChrisH | kench|2: you mentioned you installed wheezy as testing. and now its jessie in there. Did you run a dist-upgrade after changing the source.list? If yes, a resinstallation seems to be needed. |
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| 11:07.14 | kench|2 | nope |
| 11:07.25 | ChrisH | kench|2: Why is there jessie in now? |
| 11:07.27 | kench|2 | no dist upgrade |
| 11:07.42 | babilen | kench|2: Well, you explicitly used "testing" and "jessie" in your sources.list -- It shouldn't be a surprise that you are now running, well, testing (jessie) -- When did you upgrade your system last? |
| 11:07.54 | kench|2 | when i shut down laptop it says jessie/sid |
| 11:08.05 | kench|2 | never upgraded it |
| 11:08.15 | kench|2 | i mean |
| 11:08.22 | kench|2 | i do daily upgrades |
| 11:08.28 | babilen | kench|2: Well, you *must* have upgraded it, otherwise you would still run the system as it was when you installed it. |
| 11:08.30 | kench|2 | but no dist upgrade |
| 11:09.16 | kench|2 | if i change testing in stable will it do the trick? |
| 11:09.22 | babilen | kench|2: Either way: Downgrades are *not* supported and jessie and wheezy diverged quite a lot since the release. You *might* be able to downgrade by pinning wheezy to a priority >= 1001 and running "apt-get dist-upgrade", but a reinstall might be needed. |
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| 11:10.00 | babilen | kench|2: You really shouldn't be using "stable", "testing" or "unstable", but the actual release names if you want to make sure that you don't run into the same problem again. |
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| 11:10.29 | kench|2 | i agree babilen |
| 11:11.04 | babilen | kench|2: So, give the downgrade a try and reinstall if necessary. No idea if downgrading is still viable ... |
| 11:11.19 | kench|2 | so i change testing/jessie with stable/wheezy and then run dist upgrade ? |
| 11:11.40 | petn-randall | kench|2: No, don't use 'stable', use 'wheezy'. |
| 11:11.46 | kench|2 | ok |
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| 11:12.21 | kench|2 | if u don't hear from me any time soon it mean i reinstalled :P |
| 11:12.30 | kench|2 | thanks guys |
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| 11:16.48 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 11:17.25 | babilen | Well, maybe kench|2 comes back once (s)he realised that an important piece is missing :) |
| 11:17.41 | sleepr | Iridos: Linux villain 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux :D:D |
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| 11:18.20 | petn-randall | babilen: Which is? |
| 11:18.33 | sleepr | however, i was using nx to connect to my server and now it doesnt show any text and just the background when i try to connect. :S |
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| 11:21.18 | babilen | petn-randall: That (s)he has to pin wheezy to >= 1001 in order for apt-get to consider downgrading packages. (I mentioned it, but it was obviously not obvious enough) -- I am also not sure if that still has a chance of succeeding, but meh |
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| 11:24.00 | gimpy46 | I can't get NFS version 3 mounted on Squeeze for some reason. I know the server supports it but '-o vers=3,proto=tcp' causes the mount command to hang forever. I can mount v4 but then everything is owned by nobody despite idmapd running on the server. |
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| 11:32.24 | ChrisH | gimpy46: Q1) NFS Server is what system? Q2) rpcinfo -t SERVERNAME mount 3 Q3) rpcinfo -t SERVERNAME nfs 3 Q2 and Q3 should show ready and waiting |
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| 11:35.11 | gimpy46 | ChrisH: CentOS 6, 'rpcinfo: RPC: Remote system error - Connection timed out', 'program 100003 version 3 ready and waiting'....there is a firewall in between with 111 and 2049 TCP+UDP open |
| 11:36.32 | ChrisH | gimpy46: then get a RPC aware firewall. The only port fixed in RPC is 111 even 2049 for NFS is not needed to be fixed! |
| 11:37.22 | ChrisH | gimpy46: the Q2 command must work and mountd port can be anything. so a portbased firewall is not usefull in that scenario. |
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| 11:38.29 | gimpy46 | ChrisH: the firewall is iptables, it should still work. |
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| 11:39.10 | ChrisH | gimpy46: Is iptables RPC Portnumbers aware? |
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| 11:39.56 | gimpy46 | I have no idea but I should still just be able to tell it what ports to allow, nothing special about RPC |
| 11:39.59 | ChrisH | gimpy46: Is iptables RPC Programm numbers aware? From my knowledge no. |
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| 11:41.47 | ChrisH | gimpy46: once more (and my last statement on this) In RPC based communication only port 111 for portmapper/rpcbin on server side is fixed. Client asks portmapper to get the remote port for RPC programm X. This port can and will change on restart or reboot) and cannot be put into a static portbased firewall. |
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| 11:44.17 | Dark_light | Is there an eta for wheezy backports / |
| 11:44.21 | Dark_light | ? |
| 11:44.39 | petn-randall | Dark_light: Christmas. |
| 11:44.54 | Dark_light | petn-randall, really? |
| 11:45.08 | petn-randall | Dark_light: I didn't say which year ... |
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| 11:45.57 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Nirvash about afk |
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| 11:46.30 | petn-randall | Nirvash: No need to inform the channel that you're gone :) |
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| 11:47.12 | Dark_light | petn-randall, I would have hoped soon |
| 11:47.37 | petn-randall | Dark_light: Well, first the new packages need to migrate to testing, then the maintainer has to be in the mood to backport it. |
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| 11:48.09 | petn-randall | Dark_light: Let me ask differently: What do you need in wheezy from backports? |
| 11:48.54 | Dark_light | petn-randall, a newer kernel , with 3.2 it's impossible to shutdown on battery on my (and many others I guess) thinkpad |
| 11:49.11 | Dark_light | there's a "fix" to run a script at shutdown |
| 11:49.38 | petn-randall | Dark_light: Compile/backport your own kernel, that's much easier :) |
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| 11:50.37 | Dark_light | petn-randall, probably so, one last unrelated question, how can I activate document search in gnome shell ? |
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| 11:51.47 | petn-randall | Dark_light: about document search, no idea, I don't use gnome 3. About compiling the kernel: you just need a git checkout of the kernel sources and make-kpkg. |
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| 11:53.22 | Dark_light | petn-randall ok, thank you ! |
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| 12:01.17 | free_mind | Hi everyone. I am looking for advice regarding sharing private files with my bank. Where do you place your attachments and send the URL with email? I need to send my bank some private files, but I don't want the files exposed to others than the bank.. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:02.58 | b2_ | free_mind: pgp? |
| 12:03.47 | jpinx | free_mind: not a debian problem - but I suggest you look at your banks online system for their mail/messaging facilites |
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| 12:03.52 | freax_ | a truecrypt encrypted usb flash drive |
| 12:04.13 | freax_ | sent via snail mail |
| 12:04.17 | freax_ | send them the password via email |
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| 12:05.13 | jpinx | free_mind: that way any security breach will be their responsibility - not yours.... |
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| 12:05.35 | tech9ne | is away: Is Fast Asleep See You In A Few Hours!!! |
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| 12:05.51 | freax_ | I personally wouldn't put my personal financial details on a companies messaging system |
| 12:05.59 | freax_ | even if its a bank |
| 12:06.14 | jpinx | !ot |
| 12:06.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 12:06.43 | freax_ | or drank too much coffee |
| 12:06.56 | freax_ | like #ubuntu |
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| 12:07.27 | pynonoir | Hi. I have a problem with debian 7 virtual machines within KVM. Persistent net rules are not generated. How to re-enable the 70-persistent-net file generation? |
| 12:08.19 | pynonoir | I tried to remove |
| 12:09.00 | free_mind | dpkg: you're right. I will kick over to #debian-offtopic. |
| 12:09.00 | dpkg | free_mind: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:09.08 | pynonoir | (sorry, wrong terminal). I tried to remove /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules but this did not help |
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| 12:09.40 | free_mind | dpkg: what do you mean with breadbox? |
| 12:09.41 | dpkg | free_mind: i don't know |
| 12:09.50 | freax_ | he's a bot, ignore him :) |
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| 12:10.04 | free_mind | freax_: what, I'm not a bot okay. |
| 12:10.12 | freax_ | nooo |
| 12:10.15 | freax_ | dpkg is a bot |
| 12:10.15 | dpkg | freax_: no idea |
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| 12:10.20 | freax_ | see |
| 12:11.01 | freax_ | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 12:11.01 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:11.22 | free_mind | freax_: ohh..sorry. So I can stay here with the discussion? |
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| 12:11.44 | freax_ | free_mind: no, come on over to #debian-offtopic pretty please, with sugar on top :) |
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| 12:16.32 | nullby7e | where is the place for boot grub image menu? |
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| 12:18.09 | nullby7e | the path of image wallpaper in boot grub menu |
| 12:18.10 | nullby7e | i mean:) |
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| 12:19.45 | moof2 | cat grub.conf | grep / |
| 12:19.47 | moof2 | ? |
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| 12:20.16 | moof2 | or put -n to the grep |
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| 12:20.49 | nullby7e | moof2: are you with wheezy? |
| 12:20.56 | moof2 | and that might narrow down |
| 12:21.00 | moof2 | I'm not, no |
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| 12:21.29 | moof2 | tried to... watch out for dracut if you have lots of volume groups |
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| 12:27.17 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am using wheezy with Thinkpad e430. I used bumblebee to install drivers for my graphics card. When I switch to a tty, I get to see a blank screen, and then I can't return to X |
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| 12:29.39 | Jckf | For those who were here earlier today when I was asking about the normal number of open inodes, this is how my system looks after a reboot http://wolfram.jckf.no/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/open_inodes.html |
| 12:29.56 | Jckf | And now it is functioning well, and probably will be for another month |
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| 12:30.26 | Jckf | And here's the matching CPU graph http://wolfram.jckf.no/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html |
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| 12:31.17 | freax_ | oooh pretty |
| 12:31.20 | freax_ | drools |
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| 12:34.02 | Jckf | There's one other graph that looks similar too, but I don't see how it can be related. Seems more likely to be a result of the load, than a cause: http://wolfram.jckf.no/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/fw_forwarded_local.html |
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| 12:45.24 | __marco | hello |
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| 12:53.28 | __marco | hello, I am developing a program that is packaged for debian. Now I need to distribute the debs of the development version every time a new change is made. To build a new version of a package I need to change the debian/changelog everytime? |
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| 12:54.16 | __marco | or, can I specify the version of the package in the command line? |
| 12:54.44 | __marco | because I did not create the debian/changelog and I am afraid to change it |
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| 13:03.00 | ChrisH | MY Laptop just powered off. Dell D800 in Dockingstation. short before iceweasel did no longer show text in webpages and seemed to hung. I did not find something in logs. mcelog is _now_ installed. Any addiotional idea to look at? |
| 13:03.35 | b0lt | ChrisH: temperature |
| 13:04.18 | b0lt | ChrisH: iceweasel looking at crappy flash pages, flash running the cpu 100% as usual, laptop not being able to cope with own heat output as per industry standard these days... |
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| 13:06.31 | ChrisH | b0lt: I agree partly. Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz does not create that amount of heat :) But maybe cleaning the fans once more might be a good idea. |
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| 13:08.30 | b0lt | re-applying better quality cooling paste and tightening all related screws is also a good idea, if your warranty is already void |
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| 13:09.17 | b0lt | that cpu might not output that much heat, but if it doesn't get proper cooling, it will ide |
| 13:09.20 | b0lt | die |
| 13:09.26 | b0lt | but it will probably do ide too... |
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| 13:11.03 | ChrisH | Warrenty is void :) Its about 10 years old now, but still working very well. This was the first time unexpetced behaviour. |
| 13:11.40 | b0lt | i just find an actual power off to be very unusual if it's software related |
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| 13:12.52 | freax_ | it is most likely a crack in a pcb somewhere or loose ram, remove the ram and jiggle it around, and reinsert |
| 13:13.02 | freax_ | either that or a hard drive issue |
| 13:13.11 | freax_ | or power supply issue |
| 13:13.20 | freax_ | psu could be on the fritz |
| 13:13.30 | freax_ | ie, when its under heavy load it loses regulation |
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| 13:15.24 | ChrisH | I will keep an eye on it. |
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| 13:17.42 | antihero | What is the difference between wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates ? |
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| 13:18.21 | jelly | antihero: unfortunately, they're completely different things |
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| 13:18.55 | jelly | antihero: wheezy/updates is a security.debian.org repo, for important and security updates to current versions in "wheezy". |
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| 13:19.33 | JordiGH | Wait, GNU/kFreeBSD did not release for wheezy? :-( |
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| 13:20.01 | jelly | antihero: "wheezy-update" is an optional repo formerly called "volatile" with newer upstream versions of only some software, usually software that becomes too old during the lifetime of a release. Antivirus apps like clamav are a typical example. |
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| 13:20.29 | nkuttler | ,v kfreebsd-image-amd64 |
| 13:20.30 | judd | No package named 'kfreebsd-image-amd64' was found in i386. |
| 13:20.35 | antihero | jelly: what is wheezy/updates then? |
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| 13:20.36 | nkuttler | heh.. |
| 13:20.39 | antihero | oh sorry |
| 13:20.43 | nkuttler | JordiGH: you can install the kernel |
| 13:20.44 | antihero | didn't see first message |
| 13:20.44 | antihero | thanks |
| 13:20.46 | antihero | cheers! |
| 13:21.01 | nkuttler | ,v kfreebsd-image-486 |
| 13:21.03 | judd | Package: kfreebsd-image-486 on i386 -- jessie: 9+1; sid: 9+1; wheezy: 9+1 |
| 13:21.07 | antihero | jelly: so is wheezy-update basically like mainstreamed backports? |
| 13:21.14 | JordiGH | nkuttler: No, wait, the release announcement does include GNU/kFreeBSD. |
| 13:21.16 | jelly | antihero: good thing you didn't ask about wheezy-proposed-updates |
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| 13:21.19 | JordiGH | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 13:21.34 | JordiGH | GNU/kFreeBSD is the greatest troll OS ever, pissing off both BSD and Linux. <3 |
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| 13:21.55 | JordiGH | It's like pouring Pepsi into Coke. |
| 13:21.58 | jelly | antihero: it's similar to backports, yes, but very limited in choice of software available thru that channel |
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| 13:22.11 | nkuttler | i'm glad there's more than one kernel in Debian now |
| 13:22.17 | jelly | s/kernel/arch/ |
| 13:22.38 | nkuttler | we've had arches since forever |
| 13:23.05 | jelly | one of them was hurd, also never released |
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| 13:23.12 | JordiGH | Well, we've had GNU/Hurd for a while too, but never in an official release. |
| 13:23.15 | jelly | s/was/had been/ |
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| 13:28.02 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Given the name of a virtual package, how can I get a list of the packages that provide that package--using the apt family of course. |
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| 13:29.40 | moogbam | Will this: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:29.53 | moogbam | automatically keep the kernel from bpo up to date? |
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| 13:30.24 | moogbam | Or do I need something else in there too? |
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| 13:31.16 | moogbam | That doesn't seem to be installing headers |
| 13:32.25 | babilen | moogbam: If you want headers than you have to install them explicitly (linux-headers-amd64 is a suitable metapackage) |
| 13:32.58 | babilen | And yes, you'll get updates -- Read "man 5 apt_preferences" |
| 13:33.15 | lord_rob | MouseTheLuckyDog: aptitude TUI interface can tell you that |
| 13:33.31 | moogbam | babilen: Thankyou. |
| 13:33.41 | JordiGH | MouseTheLuckyDog: aptitude can do that kind of search... http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#Advanced_search_patterns |
| 13:33.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell MouseTheLuckyDog -about aptitude search |
| 13:34.00 | JordiGH | MouseTheLuckyDog: If you just do "apt-cache search thevirtualpackage", you'll probably find it too. |
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| 13:35.04 | babilen | moogbam: That being said: If you require packages from wheezy on squeeze you might just as well upgrade to wheezy now. See "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for details and read the <release notes> or is there a reason why you can't do that? |
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| 13:36.43 | lord_rob | here's your answer babilen :) |
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| 13:37.50 | lord_rob | (because he seems too shy to do that =) |
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| 13:37.52 | rossross | hi all |
| 13:38.13 | rossross | anyone know whether there is a self help channel on this network.. i need to talk to someone about my problems at work :( |
| 13:38.24 | rossross | being in an it support role :( |
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| 13:39.30 | babilen | rossross: I don't quite follow and I also don't see how this is relevant to #debian -- You might want to ask in #freenode, but you are probably better off searching for relevant channels by using alis. See "/msg alis help" fo details on how to do that. |
| 13:39.31 | lokote_jones | Is there anyway to find out if upgrading to wheezy will allow my wacom tablet to work in GIMP? |
| 13:39.48 | babilen | rossross: If you have a Debian specific problem you are, naturally, free to ask about that in here. |
| 13:40.16 | babilen | rossross: If you simply want to chat then you might like to join #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 13:40.47 | babilen | lokote_jones: What prevents it from working on squeeze? Is there a reason why you do not want to upgrade to wheezy anyway? |
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| 13:41.50 | lokote_jones | babilen: My computer currently works fairly fine. I am afraid to upgrade and break my computer. For some reason the current wacom drive on squeeze doesn't support the bamboo. So I was wondering if upgrade to wheezy would give me new "debian powers". Possibly making my wacom work. |
| 13:42.28 | lord_rob | try debian live cd ? |
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| 13:43.20 | Quix86 | lokote_jones, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=336091 |
| 13:43.40 | babilen | lokote_jones: It is very much possible that either the newer kernel or a newer gimp version or any other thing changes something, but I wouldn't be the right one to ask. A live CD is a sensible approach and you can try a backported kernel. Please note that squeeze will only receive security updates for roughly 11 months, so I would plan to upgrade within that time. |
| 13:43.52 | Quix86 | and yes try a live CD |
| 13:43.53 | Scall | I've done a minimal Debian Squeeze installation with the i3 window manager, and in the GTK applications I don't see some things like scrollbars and borders (in Iceweasel the tabs are bordless). What package should I install to solve this, in your opinion? |
| 13:44.10 | babilen | lokote_jones: If you could tell us more about your wacom tablet (e.g. the usb id or make/model) we might be able to dig up some information. |
| 13:44.25 | Quix86 | Scall, I want to say that i3 doesn't have any of those things |
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| 13:44.44 | babilen | lokote_jones: I know that many people use tablets, but I don't own one myself and therefore don't have any first-hand experience with it. |
| 13:45.29 | babilen | Scall: Why did you install Squeeze and not Wheezy? |
| 13:45.35 | lokote_jones | babilen: Quix86: Thank you for informing me about the live cd option. I will try that first. See what it does to my computer. Thanks! |
| 13:45.58 | babilen | lokote_jones: You can download live images from http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 13:47.08 | lokote_jones | babilen: My computer is amd64- but which desktop do I want? If I currently use gnome; should I stick with that? |
| 13:47.15 | lokote_jones | Or can I upgrade and switch to xfce? |
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| 13:47.58 | nullby7e | where is the path of image wallpaper in boot grub menu? |
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| 13:48.22 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am using wheezy with Thinkpad e430. I used bumblebee to install drivers for my graphics card. When I switch to a tty, I get to see a blank screen, and then I can't return to X |
| 13:48.40 | Quix86 | arvind_khadri, ctrl+alt+f7 doesn't work? |
| 13:48.47 | arvind_khadri | Quix86, nope |
| 13:48.49 | babilen | lokote_jones: On wheezy you would have gnome 3 and you can use whatever desktop environment you like best. XFCE4 certainly is a good choice too. |
| 13:49.24 | lokote_jones | babilen: Thanks. I will download the live boot image with gnome. I appreciate your time. |
| 13:49.27 | Scall | Quix86: I know it, indeed I would like to understand which GTK/GNOME package I should install |
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| 13:50.52 | babilen | arvind_khadri: I would backport bumblebee from sid (cf. "/msg dpkg ssb") and install the nvidia drivers by following "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" and give that a try. Don't forget to read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/$PKG/ |
| 13:50.59 | Scall | I should have to install (sorry but English is not my mother tongue) |
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| 13:51.50 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I used this http://suwako.nomanga.net/, which has been mentioned in debian wiki |
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| 13:55.36 | Sepultura | hallo |
| 13:55.46 | babilen | Scall: You might just have to set the default GTK style -- take a look at gtk-chtheme or configuring it manually in, say, ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini -- See http://paste.debian.net/5761/ |
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| 13:56.22 | babilen | Scall: But then, once again: Why did you install squeeze and not wheezy? -- Ah, gtk3 is probably not an issue on squeeze. |
| 13:56.32 | arvind_khadri | babilen, so you are suggesting that I remove whatever I have installed and use ssb? |
| 13:56.52 | babilen | arvind_khadri: I am not familiar with that as I personally made sure *not* to buy optimus hardware. |
| 13:56.53 | Walex2 | mrtnt: yes, it will be 4GiB. Only storage manufacturers use decimal GB. |
| 13:56.57 | Walex2 | mrtnt: yes, it will be 4GiB. Only storage manufacturers use decimal GB. |
| 13:57.13 | arvind_khadri | babilen, aah I see |
| 13:57.45 | Quix86 | I've got 2gb total ram and want to use a ramdisk to reduce the number of writes to disk on a CF card being used to boot. Because of this I don't want to use a swap file. Should I use a 512, 768, or 1024 mb ramdisk? |
| 13:58.08 | babilen | arvind_khadri: You said that you used bumblebee to install the drivers, forgive my lack of knowledge, but does that mean that bumblebee installed the nvidia driver for you? I was under the impression that it merely offered a way to run selected programs on the nvidia CPU, but that you would use the intel GPU by default. |
| 13:58.48 | babilen | arvind_khadri: My recommendation to use the package from sid is simply based on the assumption that that package is better suited for Debian than the one in that third-party and unofficial repository. |
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| 14:00.06 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I understand that, and also see that the third party repo has a older version so switching to ssb now. I also don't have a complete knowledge of bumblebee is supposed to do. |
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| 14:01.24 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Sure, I understand that. The approach simply was "Try to get the setup as closely to a default Debian one as possible first" -- I'm willing to look into this if we cannot figure it out, but I have been quite happy so far without knowing much about optimus (apart from "Don't want!") |
| 14:01.28 | Scall | babilen: I'm feeling comfortable with Squeeze, I think to use it until the end of the support |
| 14:02.06 | babilen | arvind_khadri: AFAIK newer nvidia driver have much better support for optimus as well. I am not entirely sure what that means in the context of bumblebee or what this means for your system, but this is another thing to look into. |
| 14:02.13 | babilen | Scall: ack |
| 14:02.37 | babilen | Scall: Did setting the gtk theme explicitly change anything? Do you have gtk themes installed? (e.g. clearlooks) |
| 14:02.40 | arvind_khadri | babilen, right. :) |
| 14:03.04 | babilen | judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:03.06 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.88-2; sid/non-free: 304.88-3; experimental/non-free: 319.17-1 |
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| 14:04.09 | babilen | arvind_khadri: The 319.17-1 in experimental might be worth a try, but please look into the actual improvements first. There were some headlines a couple of weeks ago about nvidia having improved optimus support on linux, but I simply skimmed over that. |
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| 14:04.28 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:05.11 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Really not sure how well that driver works or how well it would integrate with the rest of the system. |
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| 14:06.40 | Scall | I've just seen that with the default GTK theme there are both scrollbars and borders in Iceweasel, so the problem seems to be releated to the theme I use... in the gtkrc of this theme I see «engine "hcengine"», what package should I install for this engine? |
| 14:07.13 | johnfg | I've got a few things done on this wheezy/gnome-classic desktop, but still haven't found an applet to close all and show the desktop. |
| 14:07.24 | johnfg | Any ideas? |
| 14:07.28 | babilen | Scall: Well, probably the package that contains that engine (yeah, smartass I know, but I would have to run "apt-cache search hcengine" too) |
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| 14:09.11 | babilen | Scall: gtk2-engines is probably a good start, but I am not sure if the version in squeeze ships /usr/share/gtk-engines/hcengine.xml ... |
| 14:09.19 | babilen | judd: file /usr/share/gtk-engines/hcengine.xml --release squeeze |
| 14:09.23 | judd | Search for /usr/share/gtk-engines/hcengine.xml in squeeze/i386: gtk2-engines: usr/share/gtk-engines/hcengine.xml |
| 14:09.30 | babilen | Looks like it does |
| 14:10.54 | Scall | ok, let's try |
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| 14:12.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell Scall -about apt-file |
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| 14:15.08 | Scall | babilen: thanks for the tip |
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| 14:19.31 | Scall | well, the package it's exactly gtk2-engines, problem solved :) thanks for the help |
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| 14:20.13 | babilen | Scall: you are welcome :) |
| 14:20.40 | babilen | Scall: I would personally recommend to consider running wheezy though ... but I'll shut up about it now ;-D |
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| 14:22.47 | Dark_light | Does anyone know how or if it is possible at all to enable file searching in gnome-shell ? I know it's possible in 3.6 and 3.8 |
| 14:22.55 | Scall | babilen: okay, thanks for the advice, I'll think about it :D |
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| 14:32.56 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I am using packages from sid now, through ssb. How do I know which nvida driver I am using? |
| 14:33.55 | babilen | arvind_khadri: How did you install it? |
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| 14:34.20 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Do you mean "Which version" or "How did I install the driver?" (or both) |
| 14:34.31 | arvind_khadri | babilen, both |
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| 14:35.45 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Heh ... Try "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" and take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or paste the output/file to http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 14:36.18 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Err, make that 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*nvidia*"' |
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| 14:38.29 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I seem to be using 304.88 |
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| 14:41.22 | arvind_khadri | babilen, but the problem of tty being blank is not fixed. |
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| 14:51.38 | No_Miaus | hello.. i'm having some problems when i try to run mysql.. => http://pastebin.com/wpxRGiuY |
| 14:51.53 | No_Miaus | i don't know what i've to change on my.conf u__u |
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| 14:52.42 | babilen | No_Miaus: Try starting the server via its init script |
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| 14:53.16 | babilen | No_Miaus: It also looks as if your settings are wrong -- You might want to discuss this in ##mysql |
| 14:53.42 | babilen | No_Miaus: Err, #mysql no ##mysql |
| 14:53.56 | No_Miaus | thank you |
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| 14:58.54 | arvind_khadri | babilen, X says that there is no driver called nvidia |
| 14:59.04 | arvind_khadri | in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:01.43 | arvind_khadri | I also have another problem, when I do exec awesome in a tty, I just get logged out of the tty, and in my .xinitrc file I pass awesome a configuration file, which is not loaded |
| 15:02.09 | echo083 | hello, what is oldstable-backports referencing to at the moment ? is it the same as squeeze-backports ? |
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| 15:02.58 | themill | echo083: given that squeeze is oldstable, that would be a fair conclusion. (You should use "squeeze" not "oldstable" in your sources.list though) |
| 15:03.01 | EvilDMP | what exactly does locale-gen do, and why would I need to do it? |
| 15:03.51 | echo083 | themill, yes indeed :) thx |
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| 15:04.53 | babilen | arvind_khadri: If you really want to start awesome manually I would *strongly* recommend to ensure that you have libpam-ck-connector installed. I would furthermore recommend to use ~/.xsession in lieu of ~/.xinitrc |
| 15:05.45 | babilen | arvind_khadri: I am not entirely sure how optimus works, but I believe that Xorg uses intel by default unless you disable intel in your BIOS. bumblebee then allows you to run selected programs on the nvidia GPU with optirun .. |
| 15:06.05 | babilen | arvind_khadri: And I really have to see some data (output + logs) if you want me to comment on any of this. |
| 15:06.30 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I see.. I will paste Xorg.0.log? |
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| 15:07.15 | echo083 | themill, ah the new stable is wheezy he want to upgrade 1200 packets should i agree ? |
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| 15:07.28 | echo083 | themill, i'm scared :'( |
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| 15:07.42 | babilen | arvind_khadri: That would be an option, yes. I would also have to see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* (if any, or /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you still use that) -- But as I said: I believe that you want to use intel by default and then optirun to make use of the nvidia gpu |
| 15:07.43 | jdoles | apt-get (via squid-deb-proxy) returns Failed to create hostname resolved: Invalid hostname. |
| 15:07.51 | arvind_khadri | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.02 | jdoles | s/resolved/resolver |
| 15:08.11 | themill | echo083: the squeeze->wheezy upgrade will upgrade just about every package on your machine. Are you following the release notes? |
| 15:08.26 | echo083 | themill, no :( where is it ? |
| 15:08.38 | jdoles | What does that mean exactly? What invalid hostname is it talking about? |
| 15:08.59 | jdoles | Why doesn't it just say "Invalid hostname foo.bar.com"? |
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| 15:09.29 | qman__ | Hey, I have a bad piece of software that uses "domainname" to retrieve the domain, but I don't have (or care about) NIS. What's the easiest/best way to make domainname return my actual domain? Can I set it in a config file without setting up a real NIS domain? |
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| 15:09.45 | themill | dpkg: tell echo083 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:10.18 | echo083 | themill, nothing happened :) |
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| 15:13.32 | arvind_khadri | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/5783/ is the paste of Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:15.45 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I am not using xorg.conf |
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| 15:18.49 | steliosre | hello |
| 15:19.17 | steliosre | how can i write into a file.txt with command touch? |
| 15:19.40 | jordanm | touch doesn't write to files |
| 15:19.56 | steliosre | which command can? |
| 15:20.06 | steliosre | touch you can only create? |
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| 15:20.32 | jordanm | touch can only create |
| 15:20.58 | jordanm | text editors can write files |
| 15:21.11 | steliosre | ok thank you! |
| 15:21.12 | jordanm | your shell can write to files |
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| 15:21.31 | arvind_khadri | babilen, ? |
| 15:21.44 | steliosre | how can i write to files with shell? |
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| 15:22.37 | ChrisH | steliosre: echo "text" > /some/dir/file.name |
| 15:22.59 | steliosre | ty man |
| 15:23.11 | ChrisH | steliosre: or vi /some/dir/file.name2 |
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| 15:23.55 | steliosre | vi its still big trouble for me :p |
| 15:24.03 | jordanm | s/vi/emacs/ |
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| 15:24.10 | babilen | arvind_khadri: And you backported and installed primus, bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia from sid? |
| 15:24.38 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I have not installed primus yet |
| 15:25.00 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Did you already install the nvidia driver as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" ? Not sure if using that configuration file is a good idea. |
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| 15:54.49 | Unt182 | hello all, i have problems during the installation of wine 1.5.0 |
| 15:55.03 | Unt182 | can anyone help me with the installation of it? |
| 15:55.15 | mumpitzel | not until you tell us what the problem is |
| 15:55.33 | Unt182 | the problem are the dependencies |
| 15:55.49 | mumpitzel | what debian do you run? and where are you getting wine from? |
| 15:55.50 | Unt182 | i don't want to upgrade to wheezy |
| 15:55.58 | Unt182 | i'm running debian squeeze i386 |
| 15:56.10 | Unt182 | from the website winehw.org |
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| 15:56.21 | mumpitzel | winehq you mean? |
| 15:56.28 | Unt182 | winehq.org yes |
| 15:57.56 | Unt182 | mumpitzel, can you help me please? |
| 15:58.10 | babilen | Unt182: Well, we don't support that. Ask in #winehq for help with their packages. Any particular reason why upgrading to wheezy is not an option? |
| 15:58.19 | babilen | judd: v wine |
| 15:58.21 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 15:58.26 | babilen | judd: v wine-unstable |
| 15:58.27 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.7-6 |
| 15:58.47 | mumpitzel | Unt182: you still haven't told us what the actual problem is. maybe there are backports for the dependencies if you are lucky |
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| 15:59.04 | mumpitzel | but generally the best course of action is to upgrade to wheezy. it's debian stable after all |
| 15:59.07 | Unt182 | i don't like to upgrade to wheezy because i have a Sis graphic card :( |
| 15:59.17 | babilen | And yeah, some actual output would be great. |
| 15:59.19 | mumpitzel | sooner or later you will have to |
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| 15:59.33 | Unt182 | yes... later when i'll buy a new notebook :D |
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| 15:59.51 | Unt182 | but for now... no money no honey :D |
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| 16:09.17 | firefly_ | where can I find/get the Python Packaging Policy as a PDF file? |
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| 16:10.33 | babilen | firefly_: You might want to ask in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:11.18 | firefly_ | thanks! |
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| 16:11.56 | bguery | Hi |
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| 16:12.07 | bguery | I'm getting a problem with installing a package |
| 16:12.08 | bguery | varnish : Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or |
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| 16:12.12 | bguery | any ideas. |
| 16:12.18 | bguery | on how to resolve this conflicts? |
| 16:12.31 | antihero | how do I see the output if a service fails to start |
| 16:12.36 | antihero | what is the equivalent of journalctl? |
| 16:12.43 | antihero | I tried tailing syslog |
| 16:12.50 | antihero | but I get May 22 16:12:10 li140-209 rsyslogd-2177: imuxsock begins to drop messages from pid 15698 due to rate-limiting |
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| 16:16.22 | bguery | the result of install is |
| 16:16.22 | bguery | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.23 | bguery | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.23 | bguery | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.37 | bguery | oops sorry I though 4 lines was not flooding, I apologize |
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| 16:18.41 | babilen | bguery: Yes, that is why you are asked to paste to http://paste.debian.net and include additional information such as the apt-cache policy output and so on .. (e.g. sources.list) |
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| 16:20.44 | awc737 | hey, hey you guys |
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| 16:23.22 | awc737 | o hai |
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| 16:26.52 | antihero | Openvpn is failing to start up |
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| 16:26.58 | antihero | how do I find out why? |
| 16:27.13 | ChrisH | antihero: check the logs. |
| 16:27.21 | antihero | which ones? |
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| 16:27.36 | antihero | is there a predictable way of finding out which log to check |
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| 16:27.52 | freax_ | i usually start by doing df to see if the log has filled the hdd |
| 16:27.58 | ChrisH | antihero: the ones containing openvpn as strings: grep -li open /var/log/* |
| 16:28.22 | antihero | daemon.log |
| 16:29.09 | ChrisH | antihero: its ovpn-server for me, and daemon.log looks resonable. |
| 16:29.36 | antihero | ChrisH: all it seems to do is output the config :S https://gist.github.com/radiosilence/382d4479ccc403aade0d |
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| 16:31.03 | ChrisH | antihero: looks fine. than start it from commandline in non-daemon mode and more verbose. I am offline now. There should be others to continue |
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| 16:32.38 | Sepultura | when will iceweasel be updated? |
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| 16:38.11 | dols | if i've found a bug with X crashing with my nvidia card both with the wheezy release and nvidia's 319.17 driver, under what package should i file a bug (or search for an existing bug)? |
| 16:39.57 | petn-randall | dols: With nvidia. non-free drivers aren't supported, and a just packaged as a convenience. :( |
| 16:40.14 | petn-randall | dols: Unless you mean it crashes with the free driver, too. |
| 16:40.35 | dols | yeah, i don't use the free driver.. too much freedom for my tastes |
| 16:40.47 | dols | so i'll go bug nvidia people then |
| 16:40.57 | rozie | dols: try with xorg or nvidia-driver. they will tell you what to do next |
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| 16:41.19 | dols | ah ok |
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| 16:41.39 | dols | rozie: like nvidia-driver under bugs.debian? |
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| 16:44.46 | awc737 | this is my first time bash scripting, how does this look to create a vhost and add it to /etc/hosts? |
| 16:44.49 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/sTh |
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| 16:46.23 | static0verdrive | awc737: at a glade it looks pretty solid but as always, test first |
| 16:47.23 | awc737 | ok thanks I had an additional fi at the end accidentaly |
| 16:47.27 | awc737 | and it works, I just need to restart apache |
| 16:47.36 | awc737 | oh and enable site |
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| 16:48.08 | awc737 | when you just want to run a command from a bash script, do you have to use echo? |
| 16:48.31 | static0verdrive | echo just types it out to the screen |
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| 16:49.44 | static0verdrive | just put the command itself in - the way you have echo and exit in there now (they're just commands too) |
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| 16:49.55 | leosacc | ciao a tutti |
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| 16:51.47 | leosacc | scusate ragazzi avrei bisogno di qualche delucidazione sull'installazione dei driver ati, mi rimuove delle librerie per installare linux-headers, ma io non voglio rimuoverle |
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| 16:52.49 | static0verdrive | if you ever want to find out if a command ran properly, you can use $? (a special var equal to the return code of the command ran last, 0 = success, non-zero = error) |
| 16:53.24 | static0verdrive | so I use an if and check $? for important commands that I need to do something about if it didn't run well |
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| 16:55.48 | jordanm | you don't have to manually check $? |
| 16:55.53 | jordanm | if command; then ...; fi |
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| 16:58.39 | lokote_jones | q |
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| 17:05.19 | tw1sted | I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and apt-get dist-upgrade is frozen. it's hanging on "Unpacking replacement emacs23-common ..." What should I do? |
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| 17:06.56 | nyuszika7h | tw1sted: frozen for how long? |
| 17:07.11 | erming | Hello there! I've made a bootable usb, which works. But the installer says I'm missing a firmware. Is there any way to put that firmware directly on the same USB, for the installer to find it? |
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| 17:07.58 | erming | Oh, and it's a wireless usb adapter firmware |
| 17:08.18 | tw1sted | nyuszika7h: over an hour |
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| 17:09.29 | nyuszika7h | tw1sted: emacs is big, but the -common shouldn't take THAT long... it's usually a bad idea to cancel apt/dpkg, not sure if SIGTERM and dpkg -a --configure would do any good |
| 17:09.39 | nyuszika7h | you sure it's just not flow control? |
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| 17:09.42 | nyuszika7h | (press Ctrl-Q) |
| 17:09.47 | nyuszika7h | *not just |
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| 17:10.33 | tw1sted | nyuszika7h: im connected via ssh and ctrl-c and ctrl-q aren't doing anything |
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| 17:14.11 | awc737 | thanks static |
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| 17:15.55 | emzi | The tor service doesn't work at all here, Iran! Unfortunately, these days, near the election time, It seems its port has been closed by the government! I tested both tor and tor-browser-pluggable, didn't work. 1. How can I be sure the port is closed? (9050 & 9151) 2. Is there any safe replacement for Tor? |
| 17:16.51 | awc737 | is bash scripting particular about line endings? |
| 17:17.00 | awc737 | i mean with syntax |
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| 17:17.10 | awc737 | e.g. can I do function name { with { on the same line |
| 17:17.37 | ambrk | I've installed mod_defensible through the repositories. I've noticed that _some_ modules in /etc/apache2/mods-available have configuration directives. Am I supposed to edit mod_defensible's file in mods-available or create a new file in /etc/apache2/conf.d to configure it? |
| 17:18.04 | freax_ | emzi: calling an out of state phone number to a dialup ISP should still work |
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| 17:18.20 | freax_ | emzi: it wont be safe I don't think tho |
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| 17:18.50 | tharkun | What is the dovecote file for configuring local changes that does not get overwritten when doing an upgrade? |
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| 17:19.51 | emzi | freax_: what do you mean for "calling an out of state phone number to a dialup ISP"? |
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| 17:21.42 | awc737 | how can I only add this line if it does not exists in /etc/hosts? |
| 17:22.06 | tw1sted | nyuszika7h: I'm assuming a hard reboot wouldn't be a good idea at this point? |
| 17:22.35 | nyuszika7h | tw1sted: I don't really know what to do, maybe kill apt-get/dpkg with SIGTERM then sudo dpkg -a --configure |
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| 17:23.59 | tw1sted | I can't access the command line and trying to open a new ssh connection is hanging. I think the whole server is frozen |
| 17:24.15 | billiam_ | I'm finally fed up with Windows and trying Linux. I've installed Debian Wheezy and rebooted but the screen is really slim and is doubled. I can't read it once it get's to the bottom. I'm using an HP DV6700 laptop with nVidia GeForce 7150m graphics. Can anyone help me with resolution? |
| 17:24.58 | nyuszika7h | tw1sted: if the server is frozen, you should probably reboot it |
| 17:25.03 | nyuszika7h | after reboot, make sure to run sudo dpkg -a --configure |
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| 17:25.28 | Shell | hmm... I'm looking for an app which will sit in a corner of my screen and list minimized windows. preferably (but not required) not list all active windows, and definitely not take up an entire side of my screen. any ideas? |
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| 17:28.46 | terminator14 | hey - what's the difference between the Debian CD and DVD? I know the "obvious" answer is that the DVD has "more packages" but does that mean that when you install the OS from the DVD, more packages get installed, or does the DVD just have a bunch more packages that sit there dormant, until you choose to install them from the package manager (where the DVD is one of the sources)? |
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| 17:30.29 | dashdotdam0 | does debian work on uefi motherboards out of the nox? |
| 17:30.31 | dashdotdam0 | box* |
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| 17:32.34 | bolder | hi |
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| 17:35.48 | terminator14 | anyone? |
| 17:35.58 | michael-i | packaging question: I have a configuration file which was distributed with a package but I now want to turn it over to user control. Removing it from the package list deletes it from the filesystem, I want it to stick around. Is there a more elegant way to "leave a file behind."? |
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| 17:37.14 | sedeki | how can I install the latest php5 on my server without f*cking up the package management system |
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| 17:40.05 | terminator14 | sedeki: that might help |
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| 17:42.32 | terminator14 | sedeki: you getting a file transfer request? |
| 17:42.56 | sedeki | no |
| 17:43.00 | sedeki | what are you sending me?? |
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| 17:45.03 | terminator14 | sedeki: I had a similar problem with transmission, where I wanted to install a newer version from source, but the one the OS had preinstalled was in the way, so I made a dummy package to get around it, which might help |
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| 17:46.07 | terminator14 | sedeki: http://pastebin.com/6teMuHCW |
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| 17:48.21 | moses | how do you install something in debian? |
| 17:48.58 | petn-randall | michael-i: Mark it as a conffile in the source package. It might be a good idea to ask in #debian-mentors, it's a channel dedicated to packaging. |
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| 17:50.04 | michael-i | petn-randall: t h a n k y o u ! I didn't notice that room in the list. I will go down that path. |
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| 17:52.29 | petn-randall | michael-i: you're welcome :) |
| 17:52.55 | cardet_ | hello debian world |
| 17:53.15 | cardet_ | new debian fan |
| 17:53.23 | cardet_ | i am |
| 17:53.42 | petn-randall | cardet_: Welcome to the world of tomorrow! ;) |
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| 17:55.49 | petn-randall | cardet_: Also join #debian-offtopic if you just want to hang out and small talk a little. This here is mostly the support channel. |
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| 18:03.01 | moses | does the full installer require an internet connection? |
| 18:03.53 | michael-i | general support question I hope, are files able to be #included in /etc/network/interfaces? Or something similar anyway? |
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| 18:12.51 | pipegeek | I have a debian-installer question, but it pertains to ubuntu precise. May I ask it here? |
| 18:14.08 | sooley | perhaps |
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| 18:14.34 | sdh | pipegeek: you can try ;) |
| 18:14.41 | pipegeek | thanks :) |
| 18:14.45 | pipegeek | I'm trying to run a network install of precise, and I can't find a way to tell it it should use eth2 instead of eth0. during the network autoconfiguration stage, it attempts to dhclient eth0, fails, and gives up. If I execute a shell, I can manually dhclient eth2 with no issues, but debian-installer refuses to use that nic |
| 18:14.46 | peterrooney | pipegeek: /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 18:15.17 | pipegeek | ah. OK, apologies |
| 18:15.28 | pipegeek | I ask only because debian-installer is a piece of software that comes out of debian |
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| 18:16.05 | peterrooney | pipegeek: you might want to change the debconf priority to "low", but I don't know if the ubuntu installer even has that. |
| 18:16.05 | pipegeek | it does. |
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| 18:16.13 | peterrooney | !based on debian |
| 18:16.13 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:16.16 | pipegeek | as far as I can tell it's off-the-shelf d-i |
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| 18:16.20 | Ritzton | hello |
| 18:16.26 | pipegeek | peterrooney: yes, I saw that. |
| 18:16.33 | pipegeek | which is why I apologized |
| 18:16.33 | grok0 | michael-i: yes: source <file> |
| 18:17.03 | eviltoaster | l |
| 18:17.20 | michael-i | grok0: nice, thanks! |
| 18:17.29 | peterrooney | pipegeek: I'm not offended; I'm more concerned with what happens when I assume that advice I offer is going to be used on a debian system, and ubuntu has gone and changed things so that what i suggest breaks the damn thing. |
| 18:17.59 | OpenTokix | pipegeek: Maybe you can pass some variable to the kernel boot parameter |
| 18:18.24 | pipegeek | i'll poke around, OpenTokix. Thanks |
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| 18:18.32 | peterrooney | pipegeek: I have to deal with six different distros at work, and one commercial UNIX (and I thank $DEITY that we retired the HP-UX server |
| 18:18.38 | peterrooney | last year) |
| 18:18.39 | pipegeek | lovely! |
| 18:18.41 | pipegeek | haha |
| 18:18.42 | OpenTokix | pipegeek: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en |
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| 18:19.21 | peterrooney | pipegeek: would you believe ifconfig does something different on Solaris? |
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| 18:20.16 | pipegeek | I would totally believe that |
| 18:20.21 | pipegeek | solaris is cool but it is crazytown |
| 18:20.25 | pipegeek | also it is not gnu :P |
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| 18:22.03 | pipegeek | why. why is nfs managed from zfs? |
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| 18:25.48 | claw | hello i have a question about powersaving options like noatime and commit=X relatet to encryftfs. How can i provide them to the encrypted mountpoint? or dont i have to because are already on /home ? |
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| 18:29.17 | awc737 | why is it so bad to update libc6? |
| 18:29.34 | awc737 | debian testing has 2.17, and wheezy only has 2.13 |
| 18:29.37 | awc737 | but I really need 2.14 + |
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| 18:31.40 | mullein | awc737, because just about everything links to libc, and different versions likely have different mappings from functions to entry points in the library |
| 18:32.01 | awc737 | hmm, debian testing is still wheezy though, right? |
| 18:32.09 | mullein | effectively, it will break a lot of stuff, as each application needs to be compiled to link against the version of libc that you want |
| 18:32.18 | mullein | testing is now jessie, since wheezy is stable |
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| 18:32.32 | awc737 | can I basicaly update my whole machine to jessie? |
| 18:32.36 | chipotle | how do i remove php5 and all its dependencies and config files via apt-get? |
| 18:32.39 | awc737 | so i have libc 2.17 and all the functions update? |
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| 18:39.19 | jelly-home | awc737: it's a critical system component |
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| 18:40.22 | awc737 | can I update my whole machine to jessie? so i have libc 2.17 and all the functions update? |
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| 18:45.56 | eimuntas | hi all! I'm building a new pc and I have a 128GB ssd for OS's and 1TB hdd for storage. I generally use only debian, but sometimes I need to work with windows7 because I have to use windows-only program like visual-studio, 3dstudiomax, HDL symulator, MS Office and so on. I'm undecided on how to proceed, I have two options: A) install only debian on the ssd and make a virtual machine with windows7 on virtualbox. B) in |
| 18:45.57 | eimuntas | stall both windows7 and debian on the ssd, 60-70GB for w7 and the rest for debian. Option A pros: I don't waste 60GB on the ssd that I'll use only the 10-20% of the time, but mostly I don't have to lose my work session on debian and reboot to use windows. Option B pros: windows will run faster and have more resource. What would you do? Thank you and sorry for the long question! |
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| 18:47.32 | truexfan81 | 3dstudio max in a vm ick |
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| 18:47.52 | awc737 | if you only use windows really 10-20% of the time, put it on the hdd |
| 18:48.11 | redsoup | indeed, and the reboot will be fast on the SSD anyways :) |
| 18:48.15 | nkuttler | eimuntas: i put all windows into vms that i keep on an ssd |
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| 18:48.23 | awc737 | otherwise, you only need about 40 for debian and the rest for windows |
| 18:48.33 | awc737 | you can even mount home on the HDD |
| 18:48.42 | awc737 | and in windows, put most things in hDD |
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| 18:50.13 | truexfan81 | awc737: debian needs 40 just for the system? ick, back when i ran buntu full time i only gave it 20 and the rest of the hdd was /home |
| 18:50.29 | peterrooney | eimuntas: there's a trick in Windows that I can't recall off the top of my head to move user home folders to a separate drive; probably a good idea with the SSD. |
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| 18:51.38 | msn | i am connecting a rk3066 mini-pc to my debian wheezy and i get the following messages in my dmesg. I want to access the scsi device sdd but somehow it says there is no medium |
| 18:51.39 | msn | http://paste.debian.net/5819/ |
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| 18:52.13 | awc737 | truexfan81, no it def doesn't need 40, but if it's your main use PC, why wouldn't you give it as much as possible? |
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| 18:52.46 | mumpitzel | msn: how big is sdd supposed to be? |
| 18:52.51 | truexfan81 | awc737: i prefer to only give it what is needed and then use the rest for my stuff |
| 18:53.07 | alteregoa | darmok and jalad at tanagra |
| 18:53.09 | awc737 | what do you mean give it what is needed? |
| 18:53.13 | awc737 | i give my self as much as I can |
| 18:53.17 | redsoup | truexfan81: you expand the lifetime of an ssd by giving it some extra though ;) |
| 18:53.19 | awc737 | i'm the one using the space not the OS |
| 18:53.24 | mumpitzel | msn: RK3066 is just a SoC, what is the actual hardware you are plugging in? |
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| 18:53.30 | truexfan81 | lol @ alteregoa for the star trek tng reference |
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| 18:54.10 | alteregoa | shaka when the walls fell |
| 18:54.20 | moses | is debian the same as ubuntu? |
| 18:54.21 | mumpitzel | eimuntas: what cpu and mainboard do you have? |
| 18:54.22 | truexfan81 | i was about to say that lol |
| 18:54.33 | mumpitzel | moses: usually debian needs a little less space |
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| 18:56.14 | moses | do you know anything about ubuntu server? |
| 18:56.32 | mumpitzel | do you have an actual debian question? |
| 18:56.42 | alteregoa | debian is a mons, ubuntu a cupressaceae for my opinion |
| 18:56.49 | eimuntas | thanks all for the reply! awc737 truexfan81 : I was thinking to make / something like 16GB and /home what remains. Should I make / bigger? Currently my / is 7.3GB but I use a very minimal system. mumpitzel I have an i53570 anf a asrock pro4. |
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| 18:57.14 | mumpitzel | eimuntas: i5-3570k or non k? |
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| 18:57.19 | pjack30 | hello, i've got a rootkit on my system |
| 18:57.24 | pjack30 | root 2589 0.0 0.1 33376 4224 ? S May21 0:08 [eth0] |
| 18:57.29 | pjack30 | how to get a full path of this process? |
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| 18:57.41 | pjack30 | cant figure out, nameprocess is hidden with nullbyte |
| 18:57.55 | msn | mumpitzel: sdd is supposed to be 16GB |
| 18:58.07 | eimuntas | mumpitzel, k . Mostly because of the intel graphics 4000. |
| 18:58.13 | msn | mumpitzel: is the micrSD card inside the mini-pc |
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| 18:58.27 | mumpitzel | erming: ok, then no VT-d which makes the VM impossible/useless |
| 18:58.30 | cusco | pjack30: try ps -e |
| 18:58.35 | alteregoa | chkrootkit |
| 18:58.43 | cusco | sorry |
| 18:58.48 | cusco | I meant ps e |
| 18:58.50 | pjack30 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.57 | mumpitzel | msn: typically with mass storage either the mini pc or your main PC can access it, not both |
| 18:59.00 | pjack30 | cusco, isto nao vao ajudar |
| 18:59.04 | pjack30 | eu ja tentei isto |
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| 18:59.15 | pjack30 | e' um virus fodido |
| 18:59.32 | atrapado | pjack30, maybe lookin into /proc/2589/ |
| 18:59.33 | msn | mumpitzel: well the mini-pc says the storage is corrupted |
| 18:59.42 | lord_rob | pjack30: use LANG=C |
| 18:59.45 | mumpitzel | pjack30: ls /proc/2589 has various infos about your process inlcuding a cmdline. if it actually is a rootkot. why do you think it is one? |
| 18:59.53 | msn | mumpitzel: but when i reboot it trying to wipe eveyrhting it boots from the microSD card |
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| 19:01.08 | mumpitzel | msn: you clearly see that the kernel doesn't detect any medium in sdd. not a debian problem but a problem of your gadget imho |
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| 19:01.50 | truexfan81 | alteregoa: Darmok and Jilad on the ocean. |
| 19:02.32 | alteregoa | temba , his arms wide |
| 19:02.35 | msn | mumpitzel: thanks |
| 19:03.03 | eimuntas | nkuttler, do you use virtualbox or something else? |
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| 19:03.20 | nkuttler | eimuntas: for windows, yes |
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| 19:04.28 | magnulu | hello.. exactly how can I provide firmware from a removable media during wheezy netinst? the installer tells me it will accept it, but not how |
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| 19:04.58 | magnulu | b43/ucode5.fw and b43-open/ucode5.fw btw |
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| 19:05.14 | eimuntas | nkuttler, what kind of hardware do you have? do you use heavy program on window? |
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| 19:06.02 | mumpitzel | !tell magnulu about ig |
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| 19:07.58 | alteregoa | i found darmok here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxGvlqzfClU |
| 19:08.35 | nkuttler | eimuntas: pretty average hardware i think.. and really only IE |
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| 19:08.43 | truexfan81 | alteregoa: we should take this to #defocus, its off topic for this channel |
| 19:08.45 | nkuttler | eimuntas: oh, sometimes ps |
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| 19:08.54 | abrotman | truexfan81: alteregoa there is #debian-offtopic |
| 19:09.00 | truexfan81 | that works too |
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| 19:09.27 | alteregoa | is deborah ian related to joy division? |
| 19:09.28 | magnulu | mumpitzel: ok, I admit it; I did not read it carefully enough the first time!! thank you :-) |
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| 19:09.57 | eimuntas | nkuttler, ok thank you! |
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| 19:10.26 | drhouse123_ | alteregoa: not, it is not related |
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| 19:10.46 | alteregoa | just because deborah curtis ian curtis |
| 19:11.11 | drhouse123_ | alteregoa: they're founders of Debian |
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| 19:12.51 | drhouse123_ | alteregoa: release codenames taken from joy division |
| 19:13.18 | alteregoa | fascinating, didn't know that |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | huh? |
| 19:13.44 | drhouse123_ | abrotman: really? |
| 19:14.02 | drhouse123_ | alteregoa: really& * |
| 19:14.06 | drhouse123_ | ? |
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| 19:14.28 | drhouse123_ | abrotman: sorry mistaken |
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| 19:16.07 | alteregoa | sorry i got a short circuit bbl |
| 19:17.47 | eimuntas | thanks all, bye |
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| 19:24.19 | eviltoaster | Which terminal based password manager do you consider to be most secure and user friendly? |
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| 19:30.58 | jhutchins_wk | eviltoaster: mysql |
| 19:31.18 | jhutchins_wk | eviltoaster: Or vi. |
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| 19:42.20 | mumpitzel | pjack30: please stay in channel. have you looked inside /proc as I told you? |
| 19:42.23 | schultza | is there a way to downgrade the php package i have installed to 5.3.3 rather than 5.4.4 i have a critical program (to business needs) that needs to work and they currently have a bug based on 5.4.4 |
| 19:42.28 | pjack30 | yes |
| 19:42.44 | pjack30 | it have many things |
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| 19:47.30 | arthefact | hello |
| 19:47.52 | arthefact | you know what the debian maintainer for lmms and for what reason "vestige" are not included ? |
| 19:48.03 | arthefact | in wheezy |
| 19:48.21 | alteregoa | fast and furious 6 thousand? |
| 19:48.29 | alteregoa | oh wrong channel |
| 19:48.33 | arthefact | :-) |
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| 19:49.01 | msn | mumpitzel: apparently ejecting and reinserting the stoage a few times works great |
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| 19:53.26 | tehrabbitt | hey, friend of mine is having some trouble with wheezy setting up his atheros card as an AP / building an AP Debian box. I'm trying to get him to join here to fully explain the issue but do you know if he'd have better luck with Jessie or Squeeze? |
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| 19:54.34 | tehrabbitt | (2:31:09 PM) Klownicle: SSID isn't broad casting so I imagine its not working. It is in master mode and mon is setup. But when I go to stop the hostapd, it crashes |
| 19:54.39 | tehrabbitt | that's what he told me earlier |
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| 19:54.44 | tehrabbitt | (2:32:01 PM) Klownicle: Also wlan0 won't bridge to br0, says operation not supported. |
| 19:54.54 | tehrabbitt | (3:34:05 PM) Klownicle: Well so far with that debian release, hostapd (2.0 and 1.1) crash when requested to stop, wireless isn't broadcasted (but device is present under ath9k and master mode with mon setup, erro saying operation not suppoed with bridging wlan0 to br0, unable to compile the latest wireless-combat drivers. |
| 19:55.13 | tehrabbitt | (3:55:04 PM) Klownicle: iwconfig says its in master mode |
| 19:55.20 | tehrabbitt | (3:54:39 PM) Klownicle: makes no fucking sense why this isn't broadcasting wtf |
| 19:55.45 | tehrabbitt | and that's all I have to go by so far :| He's working on giving me access to the box and/or joining on here as soon as he can. |
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| 20:05.50 | jhutchins_wk | tehrabbitt: Not all hardware will work as an AP. |
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| 20:06.27 | jhutchins_wk | tehrabbitt: I presume he's doing this with the CLI and not trying to use network manager or wicd. |
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| 20:06.45 | jhutchins_wk | tehrabbitt: Why is he bridging to a bridge? Is this a VM? |
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| 20:07.11 | jhutchins_wk | ,maint lmms |
| 20:07.12 | judd | Package lmms version 0.4.10-2.3 was uploaded by Hilko Bengen on 2012-06-28, last changed by Hilko Bengen and maintained by Hilko Bengen. (non-maintainer upload) |
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| 20:08.56 | arthefact | how can i contact hilko bengen ? |
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| 20:12.25 | tehrabbitt | jhutchins_wk: yeah it's a VM ESXi |
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| 20:13.03 | tehrabbitt | jhutchins_wk: he should be in here in just a minute, i've been trying to help him out / he'll give me access later once I get home from work, but for now he's trying to see what he can do to get it working |
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| 20:13.21 | tehrabbitt | he's checking the card to make sure it's not hardware related by putting it on a windows box |
| 20:13.26 | tehrabbitt | then he'll join |
| 20:13.45 | Fejk | fejk_, |
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| 20:13.59 | JordiGH | It appears I am trying to boot with an incorrect initrd that doesn't know how to find my encrypted LVM partition. How can I regenerate the corret initrd for this machine? |
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| 20:14.54 | Bsims | I'm looking for a good console font that supports box-drawing characters better than consolas; any ideas |
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| 20:16.28 | tehrabbitt | jhutchins_wk: and yeah, he's using the CLI. he's using bridging because he already has DHCP on the local network, yes it's a VM, version 8 on esxi 5.1 latest build |
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| 20:20.47 | arthefact | thank you for informations |
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| 20:20.50 | arthefact | bye |
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| 20:25.53 | schultza | how do i install a previous version of a package? |
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| 20:27.45 | grok0 | schultza: http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 20:28.36 | schultza | thanks.. ill take a look |
| 20:29.11 | kingsley_ | schultza: The short answer is, "I don't know for sure", but if I were try, I'd looking two approaches: 1.) aptitude remove new-version ; wget previous-version ; dpkg -i previous-version, or 2.) Search Google's indices for an answer. |
| 20:29.33 | kingsley_ | s/were try/were to try/ |
| 20:29.33 | JordiGH | Crap... Linux can't find my encrypted LVM partition. |
| 20:29.38 | JordiGH | Now i can't boot. |
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| 20:29.58 | JordiGH | I guess I shouldn't have rebooted in the middle of a squeeze->wheezy upgrade. |
| 20:30.04 | Klownicle | Its the one! The only!!!! |
| 20:30.05 | kingsley_ | s/looking/look at/ |
| 20:30.37 | JordiGH | I'm now in an initramfs busybox. Where is the initrd image? I don't see a /boot directory. |
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| 20:31.34 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know if the newly released 2013 version of Debian GNU/Hurd is available as a live CD? |
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| 20:34.06 | JordiGH | Aha, /init in this busybox image seems to contain the initrd script. |
| 20:34.08 | JordiGH | Hmmmm... |
| 20:34.13 | JordiGH | This busybox doesn't have vi... |
| 20:35.24 | tehrabbitt | Klownicle: hey |
| 20:35.31 | tehrabbitt | you finally joined :p |
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| 20:36.05 | Klownicle | my vote is leaning towards fubared card even thoe it worked last night. |
| 20:36.11 | tehrabbitt | Klownicle: just post exactly what you've tried / what you're attempting to do |
| 20:36.27 | Klownicle | worked is also a relative term, in its unstable but proof of concept form. |
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| 20:37.15 | moof2 | isn't vi pretty big? |
| 20:37.22 | tehrabbitt | Klownicle: what was your question before in regard to ESXi adapters? |
| 20:37.35 | tehrabbitt | (the bridge part) |
| 20:37.35 | Klownicle | stays quite |
| 20:37.59 | Klownicle | There was no brigde question, just wnat the recommended adatper type to use for linux on a esx/vm enviroment |
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| 20:38.04 | Klownicle | Flexible/E1000/VMNet4 |
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| 20:40.38 | c0mrade__ | WriteLn.Console("Hello"); |
| 20:41.09 | tehrabbitt | jhutchins_wk: ya still here? |
| 20:41.20 | JordiGH | moof2: There's a mini vi that's pretty small, smaller than vim. |
| 20:42.23 | c0mrade__ | I want to download debain. And I've found that they offer either a CD Image file which is about 650 MBs in size and DVD Image file which is 4.4 GB in size? Howcome the size difference is so big? Are they the same or the CD Image version is a lighter version which comes with less packages or what? |
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| 20:43.43 | moof2 | c0mrade__, there are lots of debian packages, that won't fit on even the dvd... once you have a debian installed, probably the best after that is you get any other packages you might want from the net... and having said that... |
| 20:43.52 | JordiGH | c0mrade__: Debian is actually something like 40+ CDs or 5+ DVDs. You just need the first CD or DVD to start an installation. You can actually get by with a netinstall, which is just a few hundred megabytes. |
| 20:44.05 | moof2 | there is also a "net install" image that's around 230 mb |
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| 20:44.31 | JordiGH | I wonder if we can still get Debian in floppies. |
| 20:44.52 | JordiGH | A few hundred thousand floppies? |
| 20:45.00 | tehrabbitt | JordiGH: lol |
| 20:45.01 | moof2 | maybe... I guess the floppies would just boot the kernel |
| 20:45.08 | tehrabbitt | I've installed debian that way |
| 20:45.13 | tehrabbitt | it was squeeze actually I think |
| 20:45.14 | tehrabbitt | :p |
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| 20:45.28 | Neobenedict | hi, when doing "sudo apt-get install ___" this error happens, however it doesn't occur on root, it started occuring after i switched repos and did something regarding apt-get update/apt-get upgrade |
| 20:45.29 | Neobenedict | http://pastebin.com/jTp5T8GQ |
| 20:45.38 | JordiGH | It's probably more like 15 DVDs nowadays, eh? |
| 20:45.52 | moof2 | that might include source? |
| 20:45.52 | c0mrade__ | Um. |
| 20:45.54 | c0mrade__ | Damn. |
| 20:46.05 | moof2 | start with a netinstall cd image |
| 20:46.46 | moof2 | well actually let's see... how fast is your net connection? and what device does your computer use to connect? |
| 20:47.02 | c0mrade__ | moof2: Sorry I am new to even Linux OS in general. But since I wanted to learn about Apache someone recommended installing it on Debian and I will do so. |
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| 20:47.04 | tehrabbitt | I remember doing a netinstall on a 2Mbit connection... ah the fun days |
| 20:47.17 | c0mrade__ | My internet connection speed is 2MB/s. |
| 20:47.26 | c0mrade__ | Mb/s |
| 20:47.27 | c0mrade__ | Sorry. |
| 20:47.29 | c0mrade__ | LOL. |
| 20:47.39 | moof2 | cool, plenty... wired? wireless? |
| 20:47.48 | c0mrade__ | DSL Technology. |
| 20:48.08 | c0mrade__ | But of course I am using a laptop to connect to the DSL Modem/Router. |
| 20:48.11 | c0mrade__ | Wirelessly. |
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| 20:48.25 | c0mrade__ | I can use a cable of course but I don't have one. |
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| 20:48.56 | moof2 | in case worst comes to worst, can you borrow one? |
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| 20:49.31 | c0mrade__ | Um. I am pinging the router/dsl and it looks good to me. What do you think? |
| 20:50.10 | c0mrade__ | ping 192.168.1.254 -t -l 1400 |
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| 20:50.16 | moof2 | the thing is the net install has plenty of wired card drivers, so it's a good chance the netinstall can establish hetworking early... |
| 20:50.30 | moof2 | wireless, has historically been harder |
| 20:50.34 | c0mrade__ | Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=1400 time=2ms TTL=64 |
| 20:50.39 | c0mrade__ | Sometimes 3ms. |
| 20:50.50 | moof2 | that's over the wireless? |
| 20:50.54 | c0mrade__ | Yes. |
| 20:51.02 | moof2 | wait, have you booted a netinstall? |
| 20:51.06 | moof2 | and pinged using it? |
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| 20:51.20 | moof2 | or is that windows ping? |
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| 20:51.32 | Iridos | JordiGH, if you'd offer a full debian on floppies, you'd probably the only one to do so... looks like you found your very own market niche! |
| 20:51.36 | moof2 | if the former... you're all set |
| 20:51.39 | c0mrade__ | I am using Windows 7. I am a total beginner when it comes to Linux. So I don't even know how to do a netinstall. Sorry. |
| 20:51.51 | moof2 | oh ok. |
| 20:51.59 | JordiGH | Iridos: Now I just have to find someone with a floppy drive to sell them to. |
| 20:52.00 | moof2 | can you burn cds? |
| 20:52.06 | c0mrade__ | Yes. Sure. |
| 20:52.11 | c0mrade__ | ISO image files. |
| 20:52.25 | moof2 | which is what the netinstall image is |
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| 20:52.33 | c0mrade__ | I have a VM up and running so I am willing to try it on a VMWare Workstation 8 first. |
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| 20:52.40 | elkingrey | I'm getting a cert auth error when starting Jitsi, and the best jabber recommends is to install startssl's root cert: http://www.jabber.org/faq.html#certificate How do I install a root cert? |
| 20:52.43 | moof2 | what cpu? |
| 20:52.44 | c0mrade__ | Oh. LOL. |
| 20:52.49 | c0mrade__ | Core 2 Duo. |
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| 20:52.56 | Iridos | JordiGH, and someone with a truck who's willing to deliver it for little money |
| 20:53.04 | Iridos | a *big* truck |
| 20:53.59 | c0mrade__ | So you'd recommend downloading the DVD image instead of the CD? I mean I wanna do it. |
| 20:54.01 | moof2 | so you have a choice... either your plain debian programs will be compiled for 64 or 32 bit (amd64 or i386 respectively) |
| 20:54.16 | c0mrade__ | i386. |
| 20:54.22 | c0mrade__ | Windows 7 32-bit. |
| 20:54.27 | JordiGH | Okay, so I can use cryptsetup to manually mount the partition... let's see if I can use vim now... |
| 20:54.36 | moof2 | you want to run 32 bit debian? |
| 20:54.41 | c0mrade__ | Yes. |
| 20:54.41 | moof2 | or 64 bit? |
| 20:54.46 | c0mrade__ | 32-bit. |
| 20:55.03 | moof2 | ok, so then you want i386 images |
| 20:55.12 | petn-randall | c0mrade__: I recommend downloading the netinstall and installing everything you need from an online repository. |
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| 20:56.22 | moof2 | I tend to recommend that too, and there is also sense in getting cd 1 or dvd 1 |
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| 20:57.11 | moof2 | your wireless might need firmware, that can be a tiny problem (solved problem, but still a bit glitchy) |
| 20:57.34 | moof2 | do you happen to know which wireless chipset you have? |
| 20:58.24 | c0mrade__ | All right. So the DVD iso image which you guys call a netinstall is enough right? I mean it's a bare minimun which will allow me to discover the OS. And since I want to install apache it's as easy as apt-get install apache2. |
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| 20:59.10 | moof2 | the dvd 1 image is something you can boot and install from, but something else is called "netinstall" |
| 20:59.11 | c0mrade__ | Of course. My wireless built-in card is Atheros AR9281. |
| 20:59.17 | Iridos | c0mrade__, the netinstall is the smallest image and it goes on a CD |
| 20:59.24 | c0mrade__ | But why might it need a firmware update? |
| 20:59.37 | moof2 | atheros? it might not need firmware |
| 20:59.47 | moof2 | can someone confirm that? |
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| 21:00.22 | moof2 | maybe you can use the smallest image (we've talked about three images: netinstall, cd 1, dvd 1) |
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| 21:00.25 | Iridos | c0mrade__, a lot of firmware is no longer on the device, but has to be loaded from the harddisk during boot ... |
| 21:00.30 | c0mrade__ | So. I am at the debian download page and I want to download everything all the DVD images. How should I do it? |
| 21:00.45 | dougmencken | guys hi... I'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade now, and I got: http://pastebin.com/g68b7vpu |
| 21:00.47 | dougmencken | WHY??? |
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| 21:01.08 | dougmencken | texlive-lang-tibetan <<< why debian needs to remove it? |
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| 21:01.14 | dougmencken | and a lot of xfce plugins |
| 21:01.17 | Iridos | c0mrade__, you don't *need* to. that's the point about the netinstall image... it contains the files you need for a basic install... you then get all other packages directly from the network |
| 21:01.21 | Iridos | dpkg, netinstall |
| 21:01.21 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 21:01.25 | Iridos | c0mrade__, ^^^ |
| 21:01.31 | dougmencken | I use Places for mounting disks |
| 21:01.38 | moof2 | all the images? :) would you like to try an experiment? |
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| 21:01.50 | Iridos | oh well |
| 21:01.57 | c0mrade__ | Yes. :) |
| 21:02.07 | dougmencken | also, why alien-arena has not been updated with my big-endian patches I sent to upstream more than year ago? |
| 21:02.14 | moof2 | dougmencken, as you might be already aware, you can mount onto any dir |
| 21:02.32 | dougmencken | moof2: of course, using mount under root, I know |
| 21:02.44 | moof2 | cool... just making sure |
| 21:03.00 | c0mrade__ | Um. Okay I'll start with the DVD Image which is 4.4GBs, I'll finish downloading it and try the .iso file in VM. |
| 21:03.01 | dougmencken | moof2: but GUI was nice: just click and your device is here |
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| 21:03.09 | dougmencken | moof2: now debian removes it |
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| 21:04.16 | dougmencken | also, what does mean "packages have been kept back:" |
| 21:04.18 | moof2 | about the upstream thing, you might check with upstream to see whether your patches were accepted |
| 21:04.19 | dougmencken | especially for kernel: linux-image-powerpc64 |
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| 21:04.38 | dougmencken | moof2: upstream accepted it definitely, a long-long-long ago |
| 21:04.48 | Iridos | dougmencken, you uninstalled something that triggered the removal of the meta-package xfce4. all the plugins were installed only via dependencies of this metapackage, so they are going, too |
| 21:04.51 | moof2 | ok |
| 21:05.01 | moof2 | dunno what debian partook of |
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| 21:05.30 | rryoumaa | if you have extra partitions or hard drives, where should you mount them? root? home? |
| 21:05.30 | dougmencken | Iridos: I did nothing, just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:05.44 | dougmencken | rryoumaa: wherever you want |
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| 21:05.54 | Iridos | this is testing, then? |
| 21:05.56 | rryoumaa | dougmencken: there is no standard for that? |
| 21:05.58 | dougmencken | rryoumaa: usually it is /mnt or /media |
| 21:06.06 | rryoumaa | dougmencken: those are temporary mounts |
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| 21:06.25 | rryoumaa | iir fhs c |
| 21:06.52 | dougmencken | rryoumaa: /media is not temporary; you're asking for standard, but why do you need such standard? to make it easier for employeers, maybe? or why? |
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| 21:07.42 | rryoumaa | dougmencken: why do you ask why i ask? :) curiosity, standards sometimes have thought behind them |
| 21:07.51 | Iridos | dougmencken, you're running sid and you wonder about things like that? |
| 21:08.22 | dougmencken | Iridos: well, in the last year "Sid" was ... it was icewqeasel 10.0, I thing you got it |
| 21:08.23 | dougmencken | think* |
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| 21:08.44 | Iridos | no, I don't get it |
| 21:08.59 | dougmencken | Iridos: suddenly, Sid has been revives, I wonder why |
| 21:09.05 | rryoumaa | dougmencken: /media is for removable media |
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| 21:09.06 | Iridos | wheezy released and you should expect a lot more breakage than this |
| 21:09.15 | dougmencken | Iridos: in the last week, Sid has been Sid again |
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| 21:09.24 | Iridos | dpkg, tell dougmencken about freeze |
| 21:09.35 | dougmencken | Iridos: ah, you did some release and stopped worrying about "freezing" |
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| 21:10.03 | Iridos | dougmencken, also /msg dpkg slushy |
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| 21:10.54 | dougmencken | Iridos: heh :) well, I met this a lot in the past 10 years |
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| 21:11.14 | dougmencken | I'm here to complain :3 |
| 21:11.15 | Iridos | gn |
| 21:11.23 | moof2 | c0mrade__, want to do a pretty simple, maybe 20 min experiment? |
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| 21:11.55 | moof2 | dougmencken, plot thickens... you could file a bug report :) |
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| 21:12.19 | dougmencken | moof2: for alien-arena? for me, it is easier to built fresh svn checkout :) |
| 21:12.23 | c0mrade__ | Um. Okay, I've found that the official complete debian consists of 3 DVD images one is 3.7GB and the other two 4.4GB. I am using a Download Manager and I started downloading the first image and queued the remaining two ones. The download manager has a resume functionality in case a time out or disconnection will occur. |
| 21:12.30 | c0mrade__ | :D So I am good to go. |
| 21:12.42 | c0mrade__ | moof2: What do you suggest :) |
| 21:12.54 | dougmencken | moof2: but yeah, I will file bug to debian mail about alien-arena |
| 21:13.42 | dougmencken | also, why do you package absolutely non-working packages which are ~900MiB for powerpc? |
| 21:13.53 | dougmencken | (I'm still about alien-arena) |
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| 21:14.16 | dougmencken | and it was since too long... |
| 21:14.27 | moof2 | I keep wondering if the net install would work for you... it involves downloading a 200mb image, burning that to cd, booting, answering a few questions, noticing you're at the part where it will try to autoconfigure the network, let it try that |
| 21:16.17 | dougmencken | installed Debian with netinstall CD |
| 21:16.26 | c0mrade__ | moof2: I am downloading the DVD Images now...So it's okay. I'll wait untill it finishes and have a fully working debian. I like getting the best as a fresh start :D |
| 21:16.30 | dougmencken | likes ncurses interface |
| 21:17.29 | dougmencken | another question: motif and CDE have been become free as in speech half-year ago; why debian doesn't include CDE and free motif? |
| 21:18.04 | dougmencken | I know, they are hard to package, they use imake, etc. but anyway |
| 21:18.05 | moof2 | c0mrade__, ok, and, you only need dvd 1, this particular dvd is bootable and contains the installer (the other dvds don't, they just have packages) |
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| 21:18.40 | c0mrade__ | moof2: Okay. So I can only download the first one. All right. |
| 21:19.22 | moof2 | if you still want the other two dvd images, it's not a bad thing to get them, and, I have a suspicion you won't need them |
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| 21:20.03 | moof2 | next area of concern... unpartitioned disk space. |
| 21:20.09 | moof2 | got some? :) |
| 21:20.21 | c0mrade__ | Well I am suspicious too. I mean even if I download them I wouldn't now how to use them or how to add packages to the OS from them. |
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| 21:20.56 | dougmencken | moof2: afaik, debian has very good ncurses-based parted to deal with partitioning |
| 21:21.05 | moof2 | there is a text file that tells your package sources |
| 21:21.13 | c9hu3 | exit |
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| 21:21.44 | dougmencken | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:22.00 | Jeudi | There appear to be several bugs relating to the Calibrate option present in the version of PowerTop current on Wheezy. Fix appears to be to upgrade. |
| 21:22.18 | Jeudi | However, Debian wiki says pinning is not for novice users, which I am. How should i proceed? |
| 21:22.38 | fejk | Which password manager(term based) do you consider is most secure and user friendly? |
| 21:22.46 | moof2 | once that file is configured properly (which can be done sorta automatically), you just tell the system what you want to install, and it downloads and installs |
| 21:22.54 | dougmencken | fejk: brain, of course |
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| 21:24.23 | moof2 | brain is termbased? |
| 21:24.26 | dougmencken | moof2: do you know the answer to "why debian doesn't include CDE and free motif" (inb4 it is because dougmencken is listed in CONTRIB) |
| 21:24.36 | moof2 | nope |
| 21:24.40 | anigma | what kind of image should I download for a intel 64-bit machine? |
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| 21:25.15 | dougmencken | oh |
| 21:25.19 | moof2 | anigma, what cpu specifically? |
| 21:25.39 | anigma | Intel Core 2 |
| 21:25.42 | dougmencken | the same question, but for IBM 64-bit machine |
| 21:26.08 | dougmencken | or at least how to build 64-bit userspace qemu |
| 21:26.17 | fejk | dougmencken: cant find it in repo :/ |
| 21:26.19 | jelly-home | dougmencken: which cpu? |
| 21:26.31 | dougmencken | jelly-home: PowerPC 970GP |
| 21:26.48 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell dougmencken about ppc |
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| 21:27.00 | moof2 | ok, then you have a choice... either amd64 (then most of the programs debian installs will be compiled 64 bit) or i386 (most programs will be 32 bit) |
| 21:27.15 | dougmencken | jelly-home: I know what POWER architecture is, thank you and "dpkg" bot |
| 21:27.36 | moof2 | dpkg, bot? |
| 21:27.36 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 21:27.53 | jelly-home | dougmencken: minor architectures often find better help in their respective specific channels. |
| 21:27.54 | c0mrade | moof2: So I just burn the second DVD for example, insert it and right away start installing packages from it right? |
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| 21:28.03 | g0to | hello |
| 21:28.13 | moof2 | well the first. |
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| 21:28.31 | anigma | moof2: I'm going for amd64 then. Appreciate it |
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| 21:28.48 | g0to | I'm trying to get to the bottom of why the lowest volume level I can set is 18% of the total |
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| 21:28.52 | johnnyl | i |
| 21:28.56 | moof2 | when you ask debian to install something, it will ask for the dvd if it needs it |
| 21:28.58 | dougmencken | jelly-home: but such channels have minor number of guys |
| 21:29.21 | moof2 | and major number of girls?! |
| 21:29.23 | c0mrade | Am talking about the second and third that only contain packages. The way I think about it is that way. I'd insert the dvd and apt-install the packages from them. |
| 21:29.25 | dougmencken | jelly-home: and debian-ppc is silent as hell |
| 21:29.31 | g0to | any ideas about where to find or what to try? |
| 21:29.33 | jelly-home | dougmencken: be patient. |
| 21:29.37 | dougmencken | moof2: heh :) |
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| 21:29.51 | dougmencken | jelly-home: I'm doctor :) |
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| 21:30.01 | jelly-home | dougmencken: and try oftc as well if you haven't already. |
| 21:30.08 | johnnyl | I'm trying to compile opencbm, but my default *include/linux/*.h isn't set correctly. I've tried C_INCLUDE_PATH and setting it via the Makefile but I cannot for the life of me set the deault <includefilepath_for_the_kernel> |
| 21:30.42 | moof2 | ahh, I just noticed pattern... send all doctors to OTHER net :) |
| 21:31.16 | johnnyl | how to set a default path for <> include files? |
| 21:31.21 | johnnyl | for gcc |
| 21:31.24 | johnnyl | or g++ |
| 21:31.25 | dougmencken | moof2: but why? freenode is for GNU guys as I am |
| 21:31.45 | dougmencken | johnnyl: CFLAGS, I, #gcc, #autotools |
| 21:31.46 | moof2 | I'm keed, I keed, I joke wiz you... |
| 21:32.22 | dougmencken | moof2: you're nice |
| 21:33.06 | moof2 | johnnyl, g++ ... -I /path/to/includes ... |
| 21:33.15 | jelly-home | moof2: the only pattern here is telling people where to get better help |
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| 21:33.35 | johnnyl | moof2: it's in the c file. and i've tried http://pastie.org/7945249 |
| 21:34.13 | johnnyl | moof2: are you a seperatist? yes, yes, you need to seperate yourself from that double cheeseburger. |
| 21:34.17 | johnnyl | :) |
| 21:34.48 | moof2 | if you're Jessica Alba, I'm a nonseparatist! |
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| 21:35.32 | johnnyl | moof2: it's in the c file, not the make file. |
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| 21:35.47 | dougmencken | johnnyl: why your kernel header are not in plain /use/include/linux? |
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| 21:36.06 | johnnyl | dougmencken: huh? |
| 21:36.06 | dougmencken | new debian fashion? |
| 21:36.21 | dougmencken | johnnyl: /usr/src seems so slackwarish |
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| 21:36.48 | johnnyl | this shouldn't be rocket science. i've spent the last 100 minutes trying to compile opencbm. |
| 21:36.53 | moof2 | has /usr/src as a separate partition |
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| 21:37.21 | dougmencken | can make 9001 empty partition with a one-line |
| 21:37.32 | moof2 | johnnyl, does that have configure.in or configure.ac? |
| 21:37.37 | johnnyl | no |
| 21:37.45 | johnnyl | it's hand compiled crap with skimpy makefiles. |
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| 21:38.12 | dougmencken | what is that opencbm |
| 21:38.13 | johnnyl | how to set the default include for #include <> in c files? |
| 21:38.22 | dougmencken | johnnyl: -I |
| 21:38.32 | johnnyl | opencbm allows you to hook up a zoomfloppy that talks to a 1541. |
| 21:38.34 | johnnyl | commodore. :) |
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| 21:38.47 | moof2 | johnnyl, that would be done in the make file |
| 21:38.50 | dougmencken | oh wow |
| 21:38.55 | johnnyl | dougmencken: moof2: it's in the c file. and i've tried |
| 21:39.03 | johnnyl | http://pastie.org/7945249 |
| 21:39.14 | dougmencken | johnnyl: pastebin that Makefile |
| 21:39.18 | johnnyl | dougmencken: ok |
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| 21:39.58 | dougmencken | yes, I should say "pastieorg" instead of "pastebin" for their, pastebin's, 10 pastes restriction |
| 21:40.03 | dekae | is there a cli/curses-based "post-install wizard" for debian similar to anaconda? if so, what's it called, and is there a way to launch it on startup? Looking for functionality similar to sys-unconfig or `touch /.unconfigured` on redhat systems as a way of sealing VM templates. |
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| 21:40.19 | jelly-home | johnnyl: where did you grab the source for this opencbm thing? If it's trying to build a kernel module, you should NOT use linux-source but just linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:40.40 | johnnyl | http://pastie.org/7945281 |
| 21:40.45 | moof2 | dekae, for post-install of what? |
| 21:41.16 | dekae | post install configuration of a system. Network stuffs, first user account, etc |
| 21:41.21 | johnnyl | http://www.go4retro.com/products/zoomfloppy/ |
| 21:41.24 | johnnyl | jelly-home: ^ |
| 21:41.25 | dekae | moof2: ^ |
| 21:41.41 | dougmencken | johnnyl: yeah, so put under sources: for GCC line -I/wherever/your/headers/are and pray for shared libs |
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| 21:42.19 | jelly-home | johnnyl: so, you got it from the sourceforge project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencbm/ ? |
| 21:42.28 | dougmencken | johnnyl: btw, $INCLUDE is unused judging by makefile |
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| 21:43.00 | moof2 | dekae, I haven;t seen similar to that except that the installer does that kind of stuff itself |
| 21:43.26 | dekae | moof2: gathering basic configuration options without re-installing the OS. Obviously this can be done by hand, but i'm looking for a built-in way. |
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| 21:44.09 | dekae | moof2: yeah, i read about debian-installer and various hooks and places that scripts get dropped for configuration purposes at various stages. I was hoping there was a pre-packaged way |
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| 21:44.56 | jelly-home | johnnyl: instead of messing with linux-sources and manual includes, install build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r), and let the module building Makefile autodetect the correct path |
| 21:45.10 | johnnyl | ah yes getting farther now |
| 21:46.24 | johnnyl | jelly-home: how can i do that? |
| 21:46.50 | moof2 | dekae, right, so I'm not personally aware of one |
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| 21:47.11 | moof2 | (other than in debian-installer itself) |
| 21:47.32 | jelly-home | johnnyl: aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:49.26 | johnnyl | i have that already |
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| 21:49.41 | johnnyl | jelly-home |
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| 21:50.00 | jelly-home | johnnyl: good, so pastebin the complete output of make -f LINUX/Makefile |
| 21:50.35 | JordiGH | Sigh, so my squeeze system is unbootable... |
| 21:50.41 | JordiGH | I'm downloading a wheezy iso now. |
| 21:50.58 | JordiGH | It looks like my initrd is fucked up. Can't mount my encrypted hard drive. |
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| 21:51.15 | JordiGH | I wonder if I'll be able to fix my initrd with the wheezy iso. |
| 21:51.52 | dougmencken | btw, but no "dpkg" bot, I was on wheezy/sid, now wheezy is what? |
| 21:52.28 | johnnyl | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/7945332 |
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| 21:52.57 | johnnyl | jelly-home: i even tried modprobe and lsmod , ther is no cbm device. |
| 21:53.30 | jelly-home | johnnyl: that's from "make -f LINUX/Makefile install", I wanted to see the build process "make -f LINUX/Makefile" |
| 21:53.38 | johnnyl | last i ued this zoomfloppy under windows it worked well. took 10 minutes to install. |
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| 21:53.47 | dougmencken | johnnyl: to get new module, you need to insmod from module_init_tools |
| 21:54.09 | dougmencken | (or modprobe) |
| 21:54.50 | JordiGH | At least from the currently fucked up initramfs I can use cryptsetup to apparently setup a loopback device, but the mount in that busybox can't actually mount it. |
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| 21:55.24 | johnnyl | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/7945341 |
| 21:55.30 | jelly-home | dougmencken: it's "kmod" now, not module-init-tools, and modprobe is preferred. |
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| 21:56.02 | johnnyl | dougmencken: FATAL: not found. |
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| 21:56.04 | jelly-home | johnnyl: dude. You typed in "make -f LINUX/Makefile install" again. |
| 21:56.14 | dougmencken | [#0030] 116.8 KiB 2013-05-18 module_init_tools v3.16-8e4b921 (module_init_tools-v3.16-8e4b921-powerpc32-uclibc.binpkg.tar.bz2) |
| 21:56.26 | jelly-home | johnnyl: and in the wrong directory, too |
| 21:56.35 | dougmencken | jelly-home: there are module_init_tools... still |
| 21:56.39 | jelly-home | dougmencken: that's not Debian. |
| 21:56.41 | johnnyl | jelly-home: there are a bunch of directories. there is no documentation telling you what to compile. i compiled it. but i have no idea what to do next. |
| 21:56.55 | dougmencken | jelly-home: I know :) it is from ... nevermind |
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| 21:57.17 | johnnyl | jelly-home: excuse me, didn't it compile with no errors ? |
| 21:57.21 | jelly-home | dougmencken: PLEASE don't give advice that does not apply to Debian, or clearly label it at least. |
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| 21:57.57 | jelly-home | johnnyl: I couldn't say, since I didn't see any build logs yet. |
| 21:57.57 | dougmencken | jelly-home: okay... btw, if I were Debian guy, I would know DFSG, and was some packager |
| 21:58.16 | jelly-home | dougmencken: what are you talking about? |
| 21:58.25 | dougmencken | jelly-home: nevermind |
| 21:58.29 | johnnyl | jelly-home: I'm confused hat I pasted wasen't the direct compile of the project? |
| 21:58.32 | jelly-home | dougmencken: just try not to give advice that does not apply. |
| 21:58.51 | dougmencken | jelly-home: hey, I'm here to complain :) |
| 21:59.48 | jelly-home | johnnyl: cd /home/johnnyl/Downloads/opencbm/opencbm-0.4.2a; make clean; make -f LINUX/Makefile |
| 22:00.10 | dougmencken | turn to ask; how to know alien-arena version? |
| 22:00.18 | dougmencken | debian's one |
| 22:00.28 | dougmencken | nope, --version just launches the game |
| 22:00.34 | jelly-home | dougmencken: which debian release are you running? What package does it come in? |
| 22:00.53 | dougmencken | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:00.54 | dougmencken | jessie/sid |
| 22:01.09 | dougmencken | wow, new name! it was wheezy! |
| 22:01.17 | johnnyl | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/7945363 |
| 22:01.19 | jelly-home | dougmencken: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which alien-arena)) will tell you the package name |
| 22:01.33 | smw | Is there any way to apt-get source from a repo not in your sources.list? |
| 22:01.33 | jelly-home | dougmencken: dpkg -s packagename will tell you the version |
| 22:02.19 | jelly-home | johnnyl: apparently the build fails |
| 22:02.19 | dougmencken | wow, I found *apt-show-version*! |
| 22:02.27 | dougmencken | versions* |
| 22:02.49 | dougmencken | alien-arena/sid uptodate 7.53+dfsg-3 |
| 22:03.14 | jelly-home | smw: apt-get source can only deal with what's available from enabled deb-src repo lines |
| 22:03.33 | dougmencken | and they have 7.65! |
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| 22:03.55 | dougmencken | with the main fix: it is now playable, runnable, and enjoyable on bing endian machines |
| 22:04.03 | smw | jelly-home, any standard way to say "fetch source from here" |
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| 22:04.09 | dougmencken | (and can communicate with little-endian ones too) |
| 22:04.26 | dougmencken | jelly-home: how old is 7.53? |
| 22:04.35 | jelly-home | dougmencken: read the changelog. |
| 22:04.38 | dougmencken | I sent the patch in january 2012 |
| 22:04.43 | johnnyl | ack my nostril has a zit and it's puring out blood |
| 22:05.03 | awc737 | what are my options if I really want to upgrade libc6/ |
| 22:05.16 | dougmencken | jelly-home: which one? alien-arena's? just to see my nick? |
| 22:05.37 | jelly-home | dougmencken: yes, to answer your question <dougmencken> jelly-home: how old is 7.53? |
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| 22:05.55 | johnnyl | jelly-home thats it? |
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| 22:06.32 | dougmencken | jelly-home: ah, I'm about exact "7.53+dfsg-3", because you can take version from year 768 a.g. and add a lot of patches, etc., and that would be another date |
| 22:06.46 | jelly-home | johnnyl: that's a start. Now you should figure out what makes it fail. |
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| 22:07.11 | jelly-home | dougmencken: read the package changelog. /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 22:07.48 | dougmencken | jelly-home: oh okay, that would be good for good bug report, actually "too old" report |
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| 22:09.55 | JordiGH | Okay, I'm on a live image from USB... |
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| 22:10.03 | Th0masR0ss_ | Hi. |
| 22:10.04 | JordiGH | How do I regenerate my initrd so that it actuallyworks? |
| 22:10.12 | Th0masR0ss_ | Is there a UEFI version of Debian? |
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| 22:10.35 | dougmencken | Th0masR0ss_: special edition? :) |
| 22:10.38 | jelly-home | johnnyl: since it's old kernel module code, you're going to basically have to both clean up its build process and forward port it to work on your 3.2 kernel. This requires some knowledge of kernel source internals. |
| 22:10.39 | JordiGH | Fuck me, cryptsetup not found on this image? |
| 22:10.50 | pipegeek | heh |
| 22:10.59 | JordiGH | Oh, I had to get root. |
| 22:11.12 | jelly-home | johnnyl: translates to "not easy" |
| 22:11.18 | dougmencken | btw, does which list also /sbin stuff? |
| 22:11.23 | johnnyl | shit, i think I'll just use window 8 on my laptop. |
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| 22:11.30 | Th0masR0ss_ | dougmencken: ? |
| 22:11.31 | pipegeek | dougmencken: only if it's in your $PATH |
| 22:11.38 | dougmencken | ah yeah |
| 22:11.48 | Th0masR0ss_ | special edition? |
| 22:11.53 | pipegeek | it resolves things in the same order as the shell does when looking for an executable to run |
| 22:12.15 | dougmencken | Th0masR0ss_: very special for UEFI BIOS 8086 |
| 22:12.23 | dougmencken | forgive me |
| 22:12.28 | Th0masR0ss_ | wait - dougmencken - should I use wheezy? |
| 22:12.47 | dougmencken | make install DESTDIR=`pwd`/__dest |
| 22:12.53 | dougmencken | oops, wrong window |
| 22:13.19 | jelly-home | Th0masR0ss_: apparently there can be issues if legacy mode is not used, see http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/#errata |
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| 22:19.29 | croepha | Would someone who has debian installed, verify and report this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyside/+bug/1182541 ? |
| 22:19.42 | dougmencken | Configuration file `/etc/pam.d/sshd' ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. |
| 22:19.53 | dougmencken | ^^^^ I hate this thing |
| 22:19.54 | JordiGH | Hm, I thought I had created the LVM volume I wanted. lvdisplay /dev/Iris/ shows me the volumes that I want. But when I try to do mount /dev/Iris/root /mnt I get, "unknown filesystem type: LVM2_member" |
| 22:20.16 | JordiGH | dougmencken: I think it's a handy thing that dpkg won't overwrite your config files. |
| 22:20.39 | jordanm | JordiGH, you have to create a filesystem on the lv |
| 22:20.40 | abrotman | JordiGH: did you create a filesystem ? |
| 22:21.05 | JordiGH | Unless my hard disk is totally hosed, there is a filesystem on this thing. |
| 22:21.14 | JordiGH | Can I fsck it? |
| 22:21.16 | dougmencken | JordiGH: yeah, but ... I want to keep my sshd config for at least next 80 centuries, w/o any confirmation, and it costs billions of billions of euros |
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| 22:21.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: you just created it, right ? |
| 22:21.49 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, it got created a long time ago. I'm trying to rescue my laptop. It wouldn't reboot. |
| 22:22.16 | jelly-home | JordiGH: did you make a whole PV crypted, the put lvm on top, or did you crypt separate LVs? |
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| 22:22.59 | JordiGH | /dev/sda5 is encrypted, so I first did cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 |
| 22:23.05 | JordiGH | That created /dev/mapper/Iris-root |
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| 22:23.25 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ok, so /dev/mapper/Iris-root is your PV? |
| 22:23.35 | JordiGH | What's a PV? |
| 22:23.44 | jordanm | physical volume |
| 22:23.56 | jelly-home | lvm physical volume, member of a volume group |
| 22:23.58 | jordanm | pv -> vg -> lv |
| 22:24.06 | dougmencken | by the way, what can be a reason for maintainer to not to upgrade package for more than one year? |
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| 22:24.12 | JordiGH | I believe so... |
| 22:24.23 | dougmencken | I suppose it should be very-very serious reason |
| 22:24.26 | jelly-home | JordiGH: pastebin the output of "pvs", "vgs" and "lvs" at present time |
| 22:24.30 | jordanm | dougmencken, developer time or interest? |
| 22:24.34 | JordiGH | When I do lvdisplay/dev/Iris, I see two volumes, /dev/Iris/root and /dev/Iris/swap_1 |
| 22:25.02 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Remind me how to pastebin with screen? |
| 22:25.06 | dougmencken | jordanm: why not to fire that maintainer then? |
| 22:25.14 | jelly-home | dougmencken: fire? |
| 22:25.16 | dougmencken | JordiGH: ^A [ |
| 22:25.17 | jordanm | dougmencken, fire? he is a volunteer |
| 22:25.23 | jordanm | he/she |
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| 22:25.46 | zer0-day | debian support arm eabi? |
| 22:26.00 | dougmencken | jordanm: remember how you banned me from this channel, as well as from OFTC channel, yeah; so you can "fire" |
| 22:26.00 | abrotman | here or #debian-arm on OFTC |
| 22:26.09 | jordanm | dougmencken, there is an MIA process for cases where the maintainer has completely lost interest and no where to be found |
| 22:26.19 | abrotman | dougmencken: you weren't banned by him .. |
| 22:26.23 | JordiGH | dougmencken: Okay, that puts me in copy mode... Is this like Emacs? |
| 22:26.24 | jordanm | dougmencken, i don't have ops to either channel |
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| 22:26.34 | dougmencken | nevermind guys |
| 22:26.41 | abrotman | perfect timing |
| 22:26.49 | jordanm | it was probably that aboman guy |
| 22:26.54 | jordanm | abrotman |
| 22:27.03 | dougmencken | yeah, I know, forgive him :) |
| 22:27.05 | abrotman | that poor aboman guy |
| 22:27.08 | abrotman | i doubt it was me |
| 22:27.09 | jelly-home | JordiGH: command | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 22:27.33 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Ah, thanks. |
| 22:27.52 | jelly-home | I always have to visit sprunge.us and reread it again |
| 22:27.55 | beardy | aboman! |
| 22:27.56 | dougmencken | jordanm: how can I myself force alien-arena to be updated at least in sid? |
| 22:28.21 | jordanm | dougmencken, join the debian-games team and do the work |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | giggles |
| 22:28.31 | dougmencken | hmm, how to? |
| 22:28.34 | jordanm | assuming its under that team's maintenance |
| 22:28.36 | JordiGH | http://sprunge.us/ULYY |
| 22:28.37 | jordanm | check the wiki |
| 22:28.53 | dougmencken | okay, got it: debian-games wiki google |
| 22:28.59 | JordiGH | http://sprunge.us/LCib |
| 22:29.38 | jelly-home | jordanm: oh fuck no. Please do (echo pvs; pvs; echo vgs; vgs; echo lvs; lvs) | one paste please |
| 22:29.45 | JordiGH | http://sprunge.us/BJPh |
| 22:29.45 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ^^ |
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| 22:30.17 | jelly-home | ok, that's for the next time... |
| 22:30.32 | JordiGH | sprunge.us/VRag |
| 22:30.51 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 22:31.17 | dougmencken | alien-arena v7.65svn-3566 is perfect |
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| 22:31.21 | dougmencken | see you later |
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| 22:31.27 | JordiGH | So I'm trying to chroot into Iris/root and then see if I can regenerate my initrd this way. |
| 22:31.29 | cn9hu3 | JordiGH wtf are you spamming? |
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| 22:31.49 | JordiGH | cn9hu3: Trying to mount my encrypted partition from a Debian livecd (wheezy). |
| 22:32.16 | jelly-home | JordiGH: so yeah, you've named your uncrypted PV _exactly_ as your root LV device should look like |
| 22:32.40 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Wrong name, eh? |
| 22:33.26 | jelly-home | JordiGH: just use "luks0" or something when doing cryptsetup |
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| 22:33.44 | jelly-home | and in your crypttab |
| 22:33.54 | JordiGH | Uhm.... my crypttab? |
| 22:34.08 | JordiGH | Isn't this stuff in my initrd? |
| 22:34.21 | JordiGH | Or am I way off the mark thinking that it's my initrd that i gotta fix? |
| 22:34.37 | jelly-home | JordiGH: maybe it is, but where does it come from, how does it appear in your initrd? |
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| 22:35.01 | jelly-home | I have this in /etc/crypttab, wfm |
| 22:35.04 | jelly-home | luks0 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-OCZ-VERTEX3_OCZ-3UA144F0J2X0R3Q3-part2 none luks,discard |
| 22:35.23 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Wait, I gotta remember how to look at the initird... cpio something... |
| 22:35.35 | bla | Hello. |
| 22:35.45 | jelly-home | JordiGH: nah, just set up crypttab and rebuild initrd image |
| 22:36.17 | JordiGH | Can you ssh into my machine and try to fix it? |
| 22:36.19 | jelly-home | make sure to use a stable device node path for the encrypted partition |
| 22:36.37 | jelly-home | JordiGH: sure I can, but that's going to cost an hourly rate. |
| 22:36.43 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I've got 0.35 BTC left... would that cover any of it? |
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| 22:36.59 | jelly-home | only if BTC is over $250 |
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| 22:38.03 | JordiGH | No, at the moment it's like 50 USD, I think. |
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| 22:38.22 | JordiGH | Oh, bother, I gotta go. I'll try again tomorrow. |
| 22:38.29 | otters | is it possible to find what packages I updated last time I ran apt-get upgarde |
| 22:38.31 | otters | upgrade* |
| 22:39.02 | jelly-home | JordiGH: np. It's not hard to fix that tho, should be doable over free irc support. |
| 22:39.09 | bla | DRBD between hosts on unprotected network... IPSEC can't be used because it's not really supported by iptables so... would you create SSH tunnel or use openvpn? (Or other options?) |
| 22:39.14 | caf | otters: /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 22:39.28 | jelly-home | bla: openvpn. |
| 22:39.54 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Am I on the right track? Boot from rescue wheezy USB, mount the encrypted hard drive, chroot into it, regenerate initrd? |
| 22:40.17 | zer0-day | which version of debian i need to install to compile arm eabi files |
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| 22:40.38 | zer0-day | which arch |
| 22:40.43 | tharkun | I have this tiny vps that has been steadily growing in ram. The original set up had 256 MB in Ram and 256 MB swap. Problem is it now has 1024 MB ram but swap has remained the same. Can I live with it or should I do a fresh install of wheezy? |
| 22:40.45 | jelly-home | JordiGH: don't forget to mount your /boot as well in the chroot, and set up /etc/crypttab to use some (any!) name other than "Iris-root" |
| 22:41.13 | jelly-home | JordiGH: but that's basically it yes |
| 22:41.27 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Ok, thanks. I'll try it tomorrow. |
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| 22:44.15 | themill | zer0-day: depends whether you want hardware floating point or not. There's arm-linux-gnueabi (i.e. armel) or arm-linux-gnueabihf (i.e.armhf). |
| 22:44.27 | otters | caf: ty |
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| 22:45.08 | tharkun | Also, anyone experiencing trouble with letters beeing rendered on gnome menus? |
| 22:45.44 | abrotman | which gnome? |
| 22:46.07 | zer0-day | themill: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, ARM, EABI4 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 22:46.35 | zer0-day | that's a example of app with y get with file |
| 22:46.53 | themill | zer0-day: the output of file(1) is not sufficient to identify |
| 22:47.00 | themill | dpkg: tell zer0-day about armel vs armhf |
| 22:47.01 | zer0-day | what i need then |
| 22:47.03 | bla | jelly-home, Openvpn UDP TUN device for drbd seems fine with you? Also - thank you! |
| 22:47.20 | zer0-day | ok ty |
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| 22:49.26 | jelly-home | bla: yes, but expect lots of trouble tuning it for performance and latency |
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| 22:50.20 | jelly-home | bla: I've never used drbd, just extrapolating from some non-serious usage of nbd |
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| 22:51.13 | bla | I haven't really got a seriously write-intensive system. At least I hope so. |
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| 23:08.41 | zl2tod | haven't seen this before: http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release is expired (invalid since 8h 31min 31s) |
| 23:08.56 | abrotman | try another mirror |
| 23:09.13 | themill | zl2tod: http.debian.net does better checking of the mirror status than cdn.d.n |
| 23:09.47 | zl2tod | http.debian is also as slow as a wet week from here |
| 23:10.22 | themill | it's a redirector; the mirror it is pointing to might be slow |
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| 23:11.42 | zl2tod | yes, it points to the nz repo for nz, and because of dumb ISP/peering politics that goes to Australia and back again |
| 23:12.03 | themill | win |
| 23:12.57 | themill | this is all saying that you want to pick an individual mirror that works rather than using a redirector that will give you results you might not like |
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| 23:17.17 | zl2tod | is updating the mirrors in ftpmasters or mirrors remit? |
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| 23:24.36 | abrotman | zl2tod: huh? |
| 23:24.53 | SamuraiDio | hi, my cdrom is not recognized, I don't even have a /dev/hda device. Can someone help me? |
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| 23:26.25 | zykotick9 | SamuraiDio: cdroms are typically /dev/sr0... hdX is OLD ide HD devices. |
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| 23:27.50 | SamuraiDio | usually hda0, or even /dev/cdrom. but in my recent instalation, none of then |
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| 23:30.59 | zl2tod | abrotman, which bit is unclear ? |
| 23:31.19 | anigma | I installed a fresh amd64 image on my intel core 2 duo machine. Upon boot I keep getting SRST fails (http://pastebin.com/2FXLvfJ6). This happens after GRUB has been loaded, and the boot pretty much continues even though "reset has failed". What gives? |
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| 23:32.52 | SamuraiDio | zykotick9, lshw show only my sata hdd |
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| 23:39.02 | waterlae | Has anyone experienced problems with valgrind. I just installed the program. I ran the program immediately followed by the name of a program and valgrind output the name of the program followed by"command not found" |
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| 23:43.57 | abrotman | zl2tod: the whole thing, rephrase |
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| 23:46.24 | themill | zl2tod: each mirror has its own admin. If you've found a broken mirror, contacting the mirror's admin through whatever contact info you can find on their pages is best. You can Cc the debian-mirrors mailing list. |
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| 23:52.57 | zl2tod | thanks themill, already done |
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| 23:54.11 | themill | zl2tod: I've been poking a different Australasian mirror owner each week for the past few weeks in an attempt to get them to improve. I don't think I've had any success yet and there is still not a single decent mirror around here. |
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| 23:57.06 | themill | zl2tod: btw when contacting mirror admins, ask them to use the lastest version of the ftpsync script (it's in the stuff they are mirroring!) as them using some other homemade crap is normally the problem with their mirror being in an inconsistent state. |
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| 23:57.47 | jelly-home | looks at the 2006 timestamp of his ftpsync copy |
| 23:57.52 | jelly-home | looks elsewhere |
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| 23:58.33 | themill | bad jelly |
| 23:58.53 | themill | jelly-home: in particular, that version makes a mess of Translation files |
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