| 00:00.06 | zl2tod | themill, noted, ta |
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| 00:01.21 | antiwire | Is there a trustworthy method for determining if a Debian Wheezy system was shutdown properly vs. having the power pulled? |
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| 00:02.16 | jelly-home | *whistle* |
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| 00:04.15 | hesco | what would be the centOS equivalent of our buid-essentials |
| 00:04.20 | intrigue | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:04.21 | jelly-home | antiwire: entries right before "reboot" in wtmp ("last" command) can be an indication |
| 00:04.23 | intrigue | wondrous |
| 00:04.25 | intrigue | space :\ |
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| 00:04.32 | antiwire | jelly-home: awesome thanks |
| 00:04.46 | Mattx | how do I check if an app is in testing? what was the command for the bot here? |
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| 00:04.50 | jelly-home | reboot system boot 3.8-1-amd64 Sun May 19 08:31 - 02:03 (3+17:32) |
| 00:04.50 | jelly-home | jelly :0 Fri May 17 05:50 - crash (2+02:40) |
| 00:04.58 | jelly-home | antiwire: ^^ unclean shutdown |
| 00:05.07 | antiwire | jelly-home: perfect. thanks |
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| 00:05.15 | jelly-home | jelly :0 Sun May 12 20:29 - down (4+07:31) |
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| 00:05.33 | jelly-home | ^^ clean |
| 00:05.58 | rainer___ | jelly-home: Hey! Thanks for that hint! |
| 00:05.59 | jelly-home | antiwire: but that only works if there are logged in users at the time |
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| 00:06.32 | rainer___ | jelly-home: Argl. I knew that there should be some disadvantage... |
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| 00:06.41 | jelly-home | (also, 3.8-1-amd64 is buggy!) |
| 00:07.09 | cockhound | barks while drooling |
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| 00:11.38 | crenneler | i want to go back to gnome 2.3. is there some place I can download debian 6? |
| 00:12.28 | dondelelcaro | crenneler: most mirrors still have it |
| 00:12.44 | dondelelcaro | crenneler: but we're almost certainly going to phase out security support for it in the future |
| 00:12.55 | dondelelcaro | crenneler: you might want to consider using XFCE or similar instead |
| 00:14.23 | crenneler | dondelelcaro: that's fine, i'll upgrade when security support stops, and I'll stop using gnome 2.3 at that time |
| 00:14.41 | crenneler | dondelelcaro: so what do i do? do I just set my /etc/sources.list to show squeeze instead of wheezy? |
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| 00:15.41 | dondelelcaro | !downgrade |
| 00:15.41 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 00:15.53 | euthymos | Hi, I run a small Debian server. I'm looking for a control panel, reachable via HTTP, allowing me to do basic stuff like reboot, shutdown, assess load. Any ideas? |
| 00:16.35 | dondelelcaro | euthymos: for assessing load, I suggest munin. For everything else, I suggest actually using a console. |
| 00:16.44 | SatsueiGishi | webmin? http://www.webmin.com/ |
| 00:16.48 | dondelelcaro | !webmin |
| 00:16.49 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 00:17.01 | nkuttler | !tell euthymos about whcp |
| 00:17.05 | SatsueiGishi | lol |
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| 00:17.58 | rainer___ | LOL |
| 00:18.26 | zl2tod | euthymos, you really want to use https rather than http for all that stuff too |
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| 00:19.12 | euthymos | Ok, whatever. Is there anything like webmin but reasonably safe? The server is a stupid p2p download machine and the HTTP console would be used only within a 2-machines lan. |
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| 00:20.09 | euthymos | I don't want to log via ssh whenever I want to shut down that box while I'm on my sofa with a tablet |
| 00:20.28 | rainer___ | euthymos: Are you really chained to a http-based gui or what's the point against a console? |
| 00:20.38 | SatsueiGishi | well theres an ssh client available lol |
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| 00:21.40 | euthymos | I have no point against a console. Well guys, it seems that either you don't know about simple HTTP admin panels, or they don't exist, or you don't approve their use in any situation. Nothing here for me. Thanks however |
| 00:21.45 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: there's something in webmin's surviving for what, 15+ years now |
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| 00:21.55 | Mattx | what lib is missing? fatal error: wx/wx.h: not such file |
| 00:22.28 | Mattx | I already installed these: libwxbase2.8-0 libwxgtk2.8-0 wx-common wx2.8-headers |
| 00:22.39 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: longer, actually... |
| 00:22.57 | dondelelcaro | but yes, it's been around for a long time |
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| 00:23.35 | dondelelcaro | actually, just under 15 years... thought it was older |
| 00:23.41 | rainer___ | euthymos: Ok, another question: Why shutting down a "server"? |
| 00:24.37 | euthymos | It's a stupid p2p machine... It is randomly used for putting some php project and show it to a couple of buddies |
| 00:24.45 | euthymos | see you guys |
| 00:25.20 | rainer___ | Ok. Sorry. |
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| 00:26.02 | rainer___ | has another definition of "server", very sorry. |
| 00:26.08 | SatsueiGishi | lol |
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| 00:27.01 | rainer___ | is quite sure, that noone will write a "http control panel" for such a hm... "seldom" kind of "server" in the next weeks. |
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| 00:30.33 | nachos | how do i update from a wheezy RC to wheezy? |
| 00:31.21 | scootypuff | what is wheezy rc |
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| 00:31.47 | nachos | like wheezy RC1 |
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| 00:31.54 | smw | nachos, you don't |
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| 00:32.25 | smw | nachos, just do a normal apt-get upgrade |
| 00:32.27 | zl2tod | Mattx, wx2.8-headers for me, dragged in by libwxgtk2.8-dev. You may need to set a lib path somewhere |
| 00:32.38 | nachos | smw: okay, so i just go into aptitude and upgrade all the packages |
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| 00:32.47 | smw | nachos, exactly |
| 00:32.49 | nachos | thanks |
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| 00:35.14 | Mattx | ok so I added stable's repository and I search "gspiceui" |
| 00:35.16 | Mattx | it's not there |
| 00:35.20 | Mattx | is it updated? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gspiceui |
| 00:35.30 | Mattx | isn't squeeze the current stable version? |
| 00:35.39 | nkuttler | Mattx: no, wheezy |
| 00:35.45 | Mattx | argh, ok |
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| 00:36.06 | Mattx | what is squeezy? I never use the real name, just stable/testing/whatever :P |
| 00:36.24 | smw | Mattx, it is now oldstable |
| 00:36.25 | Mattx | is checking |
| 00:36.44 | Mattx | alright, then this app is only in sid |
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| 00:38.50 | vl4kn0 | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian 7.0 netinstall from USB stick but when detecting my network it gives me message I required non-free iwlwifi firmware and I should put it on an external media. What to do? |
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| 00:41.20 | smw | vl4kn0, download http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi and put it on removable media |
| 00:41.50 | vl4kn0 | smw: doesn't matter where? |
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| 00:42.42 | smw | vl4kn0, I have never done this before, but http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en makes it look like you can put it on in the root folder of a cd or usb drive |
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| 00:43.24 | vl4kn0 | smw: I'll try it then, thanks |
| 00:43.28 | smw | vl4kn0, "firmware files or packages must be placed in either the root directory or a directory named /firmware of the file system on the medium" |
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| 01:00.47 | codepython777 | I need to build a machine which is secure. The only port that i have open on this machine is 443 and ssh (443 is a python web server). Is there a way to make sure that bad guys cant steal my data on the drive? I am hoping someone here has to keep sensitive info on debian boxes? Any tips for someone new to security |
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| 01:02.18 | rainer-night | Ouch. |
| 01:02.24 | abrotman | !tell codepython777 about securing debian |
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| 01:05.47 | rainer-night | codepython777: No offense, just for curiosity: Why do you want to run a web server, when you are "new to security"? |
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| 01:06.40 | BenNZ | codepython777: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 01:09.51 | codepython777 | abrotman: Thanks |
| 01:10.03 | codepython777 | rainer-night: I need to serve some sensitive data to some clients. |
| 01:10.21 | rainer-night | codepython777: ...via a "python web server"? |
| 01:10.26 | codepython777 | BenNZ: Just looks a lot of info to parse, will take me days it seems |
| 01:10.44 | rainer-night | codepython777: Welcome to security. It's not about 20 minutes. |
| 01:11.16 | codepython777 | rainer-night: I'm running a twisted web server. |
| 01:11.45 | Infiltrator | Is that a noun or an adjective? |
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| 01:12.42 | Nirvash | Could someone sort out PulseAudio, ALSA, and Gstreamer for me? =/ |
| 01:12.44 | rainer-night | Infiltrator: Seems to be software... |
| 01:12.51 | rainer-night | codepython777: Sorry, never heard of. |
| 01:14.17 | Infiltrator | !tell Nirvash -about details |
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| 01:16.34 | rainer-night | pehjota: Yep. :-) |
| 01:17.07 | Nirvash | I have XFCE4 on Debian Wheezy, and I am seeking to clean the exhorbitant number of files/programs/directories not in use. I am currently looking at GStreamer, ALSA, and PulseAudio as all three are installed to some degree. Currently, I would like to remove Pulse and ALSA and keep Gstreamer. Is this adviseable? |
| 01:18.07 | rainer-night | pehjota: That's what I meant. :-) |
| 01:20.33 | Infiltrator | Nirvash: If you remove both pulse and alsa, won't you have no sound? Or do you have OSS as well? |
| 01:20.52 | Nirvash | I have no clue which is why I'm asking |
| 01:21.19 | Nirvash | I had Gnome and migrated to Xfce, but I have a ton of stuff from Gnome still sitting around despite purging it all |
| 01:21.20 | pehjota | Nirvash: AIUI GStreamer is just a codec library. It needs a sound system (e.g. ALSA, OSS, or PulseAudio) underneath it. |
| 01:21.22 | rainer-night | Infiltrator: Wouldn't it be an option to let aptitude check the dependencies?! |
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| 01:21.47 | Nirvash | So if anything, I should remove Gstreamer and Pulse and keep ALSA? |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:22.16 | abrotman | pulse and alsa can work together |
| 01:22.20 | asturel | anyone have idea for this: pptpd[24064]: GRE: Bad checksum from pppd. GRE: read(fd=7,buffer=60f620,len=8260) from network failed: status = -1 error = Protocol not available |
| 01:22.34 | asturel | been googling for half hour ends in no solution |
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| 01:22.41 | SineTheCreator` | hi all |
| 01:22.43 | pehjota | Nirvash: If nothing you have installed depends on GStreamer, then yes, you can uninstall it. But you probably have something installed that uses it. |
| 01:22.56 | Nirvash | Sigh... so frustrating. |
| 01:23.24 | pehjota | Nirvash: You likely need GStreamer and one of ALSA or PulseAudio. |
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| 01:23.26 | SineTheCreator` | i'm trying to breathe some new life into an old laptop... it has a 2ghz sempron, 1gb of ddr ram and an ati xpress 200m. would debian be a good fit for that out of the box or is it going to need to be a 'build my own distro' kinda thing? |
| 01:23.38 | rainer-night | Nirvash: I would like, if I may, ask in another direction: You are concerned regarding to much directories/files/programs? |
| 01:23.49 | SineTheCreator` | i use debian on my servers and love it but those are obviously headless |
| 01:24.02 | Nirvash | rainer-night: I just don't like the clutter and chaos honestly |
| 01:24.05 | rainer-night | SineTheCreator`: Can there anything be lost if you just try it? |
| 01:24.22 | SineTheCreator` | rainer-night: yes, time. this is something i'd like to have done in a few hours. |
| 01:24.23 | rainer-night | Nirvash: Are you sure that this is "chaos"? |
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| 01:24.34 | SineTheCreator` | i only have a little time to devote to this little project |
| 01:24.37 | rainer-night | SineTheCreator`: Good point. |
| 01:24.52 | Nirvash | rainer-night: Considering my other machines (without WM/DE) are perfectly organized, yeah lol |
| 01:24.56 | pehjota | SineTheCreator`: What would be different between the software in Debian and the software in a custom GNU/Linux system built from scratch? |
| 01:25.03 | SineTheCreator` | right now the laptop is running windows xp and lubuntu dualboot, winxp works okay but lubuntu is absolutely sluggish |
| 01:25.04 | rainer-night | But just running the installer until he claims $whatever shouldn't be that time consuming, isn't it? |
| 01:25.18 | pehjota | SineTheCreator`: You can just use Debian with a lightweight DE or window manager. |
| 01:25.34 | Infiltrator | SineTheCreator`: I've got Debian wheezy running on a 2Gb Centrino Duo with on-board graphics without problems, if that helps you any. |
| 01:25.36 | Nirvash | SineTheCreator`: You have two options - Gentoo or Debian+XFCE+cleaning |
| 01:25.39 | SineTheCreator` | pehjota: do any distros (except crunchbang) already exist for that purpose? or will i need to build one on debian base? |
| 01:25.55 | SineTheCreator` | Nirvash: in my experience with xubuntu, xfce seems to be too much for this laptop |
| 01:26.02 | SineTheCreator` | i'll probably be rolling openbox |
| 01:26.09 | SineTheCreator` | and maybe a panel like tint2 |
| 01:26.14 | Nirvash | xfce is too much? ... why don't you just forego a WM/DE altogether then? |
| 01:26.17 | rainer-night | SineTheCreator`: I am typing this on a 10 year old Thinkpad, running Debian Wheery. Does that answer your question? :-))) |
| 01:26.18 | pehjota | SineTheCreator`: You don't need a separate distribution. Just `apt-get install some-window-manager`. |
| 01:26.29 | SineTheCreator` | rainer-night: wheery? |
| 01:26.35 | rainer-night | Wheezy. Sorry. |
| 01:26.36 | Nirvash | rainer-night: Which thinkpad? I'm on a T40 |
| 01:26.39 | SineTheCreator` | ahh, right |
| 01:26.43 | SineTheCreator` | rainer-night: so debian 5? |
| 01:26.45 | rainer-night | No Gnome, no KDE, just IceWm. |
| 01:27.05 | pehjota | SineTheCreator`: Wheezy is 7, 5 was Lenny |
| 01:27.06 | rainer-night | SineTheCreator`: 7.0 |
| 01:27.13 | rainer-night | Nirvash: R31 |
| 01:27.19 | Nirvash | nice |
| 01:27.27 | rainer-night | Nirvash: Yep! :-) |
| 01:27.28 | SineTheCreator` | <pehjota> SineTheCreator`: You don't need a separate distribution. Just `apt-get install some-window-manager`. <-- yes, but in the case of a window manager like openbox, there's still a ton of work required to make it useable. adding apps to the menu, config file tweaks, etc etc |
| 01:27.40 | rainer-night | Nirvash: And no, I don't care for the "chaos". :-) |
| 01:27.53 | SineTheCreator` | pehjota: ahh, right. debian 5 was lenny. my bad :D |
| 01:28.02 | pehjota | SineTheCreator`: I've heard good things about obconf to solve that issue. |
| 01:28.11 | Nirvash | Well, removing pulse auto-installed ALSA, so that's not bad I suppose. Do I still need Gstreamer then? |
| 01:28.18 | SineTheCreator` | pehjota: okay. i'll give it a shot, thanks |
| 01:28.52 | SineTheCreator` | oh and one other thing - on ubuntu i always need to install firmware-b43-installer for my broadcom 43xx card. is there any way i can integrate that package into a debian usb netinstall? |
| 01:29.09 | SineTheCreator` | assume i do not have the option of using a LAN cable to boost the install |
| 01:30.05 | SineTheCreator` | or would it be as simple as running the installer and then doing dpkg -i with the package from usb? |
| 01:30.12 | rainer-night | Nirvash: Did you never thought about asking aptitude about package which are of no use? |
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| 01:31.00 | Nirvash | rainer-night: 0_0 How? |
| 01:32.09 | rainer-night | Nirvash: When starting aptitude, there should be a line "old and selfmade packages" or the like. |
| 01:32.17 | rainer-night | Maybe you are looking for something like this. |
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| 01:32.38 | peterrooney | e 1.6 is lightweight and fairly useable out of the box. e 1.7 is not lightweight. |
| 01:32.49 | rainer-night | Nirvash: Normally aptitude is listing packages with no dependencies there. |
| 01:32.59 | rainer-night | Sorry for my non-tech speak. |
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| 01:33.51 | Nirvash | rainer-night: looks like everything's "in-use" |
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| 01:34.27 | rainer-night | Nirvash: In this case I would tend to stand the "chaos". :-))) |
| 01:34.40 | Nirvash | rainer-night: One second, may have found something |
| 01:35.13 | Nirvash | New Packages, Installed Packages, Not Installed Packages, Virtual Packages, Tasks |
| 01:35.33 | rainer-night | Ok, in this case there seems to be nothing like I assumed. |
| 01:35.47 | Nirvash | Huh... I thought not installe dmay have been it |
| 01:36.05 | Nirvash | since apparently there are 423 not installed, but 35739 new packages |
| 01:36.09 | rainer-night | Nirvash: If you do not have serious problems, why don't you leave anything in its actual condition and let debian do its job? :-) |
| 01:36.20 | pehjota | Nirvash: You could try `apt-get -s autoremove` to see what packages can be removed, or `apt-get autoremove` to actually remove them. |
| 01:36.58 | Nirvash | rainer-night: This! Is! Linux! *Kick to the chest* |
| 01:37.06 | rainer-night | LOL! |
| 01:37.19 | Nirvash | pehjota: I do that regularly, but that did just remove many old packages from Pulse |
| 01:37.24 | Nirvash | lol |
| 01:38.37 | rainer-night | Nirvash: With highest respect: I do define your problem as a "non-problem", unless prooved of the opposite. :-))) |
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| 01:54.02 | Nirvash | Haha, of course |
| 01:54.32 | Nirvash | The only other question I have for now is: what do .gconf and .gvfs do exactly? |
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| 01:55.34 | ex-parrot | stupid GTK3 bug of the day: mouse wheel scrolling on a tab bar no longer causes tab switching |
| 01:56.26 | Nirvash | ex-parrot: Check your conf for mouse mode and toggle it to the opposite |
| 01:56.58 | ex-parrot | Nirvash: nope, it was removed on purpose. just another mindless braindead brokennness in gtk3 |
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| 01:57.32 | Nirvash | Ah... hmm. I had that problem with another app yesterday that was an "upgrade" to their mouse support |
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| 02:09.02 | tech9ne | is back (gone 14:03:25) |
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| 02:14.22 | Klownicle | My feeble linux mind is blown here and I'm asking for help. Using a PCI Atheros AR8927 Chipset, trying to setup a hostapd bridged eth0 network, using a netinstal of deb 7.0. If it an't one thing its another, hostapd nl80211 invalid not found, unable to bridge wlan0 not supported, errors when trying to compile newer compat-wirless. Help me :-/ |
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| 02:18.40 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: So have you got Debian installed or are you having problems with the installation itself? |
| 02:18.52 | Klownicle | Debian is freshly installed. |
| 02:19.20 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: And what is the current problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 02:20.40 | Klownicle | Various problems, br0 reports operation not supported when bridging wlan0, hostapd reports driver=nl80211 not valid, thats just the tip. |
| 02:21.10 | Klownicle | AR8927 PCI-e Wireless N Chipset |
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| 02:22.38 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: Bridging WLAN interfaces isn't easy; do you really need this? |
| 02:23.01 | Klownicle | I already have a DHCP server on the local lan. |
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| 02:23.24 | Klownicle | I need the AP clients to get the DHCP from said server. |
| 02:24.03 | Klownicle | I have this setup already proff of concepted on a ubuntu 12.04 setup working but its unstable, i've been recommended to go to debian. |
| 02:25.01 | Klownicle | On ubuntu, the ap clients disconnect frequently, ping times are all over the place, and speed is good but unstable, goes from 500kb to 2mb's unpredictably. |
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| 02:25.43 | Klownicle | I've read a fair amount of people on ubuntu having issues with the newer kernels and the atheros ath9k setups. |
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| 02:25.59 | Klownicle | So here I am on debian per recommendation. |
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| 02:27.20 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: Have at http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections and http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/o3ub0/brctl_equivalent_for_wlan0/; you need to turn on 3addr on your driver, I think. |
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| 02:28.14 | Klownicle | And once 3addr is done what am I to expect? |
| 02:28.28 | Nirvash | Can anyone tell me what the .mission-control folder in my home directory does? |
| 02:28.30 | cusco | q dpkg |
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| 02:29.02 | JasonWoof | anybody having trouble with mutt occasionally failing to write some flags (replied and read) to disk? |
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| 02:29.17 | JasonWoof | happens to me every few days |
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| 02:29.54 | JasonWoof | mutt thinks there are no unread messages, and that the mailbox has already been written, but some messages have not been moved from maildir/new to mailder/cur |
| 02:29.57 | Klownicle | I turned on 3addr before on a driver but I forgot how :-/ |
| 02:30.07 | cusco | Nirvash: try dpkg -S ~/mission-control |
| 02:30.26 | Klownicle | ahh, see it in that link |
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| 02:31.52 | Nirvash | cusco: No path found |
| 02:32.07 | Infiltrator | JasonWoof: Does telling it to update with $ do anything? |
| 02:32.07 | cusco | Nirvash: sorry I meant dpkg -S ~/.mission-control |
| 02:32.16 | Nirvash | I tried that too, no luck =/ |
| 02:32.18 | cusco | Nirvash: basically dpkg -S <file> |
| 02:32.21 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: Once you turn on 3addr you should be able to bridge it. |
| 02:32.22 | Klownicle | @Infiltrator, looks like that bridging part is fixed. |
| 02:32.28 | cusco | will tell you if that file was created by a debian package |
| 02:32.35 | JasonWoof | Infiltrator: says that its already been written |
| 02:32.36 | Nirvash | It just keeps saying no path found |
| 02:32.38 | Klownicle | I imagine ill need to add this to my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:32.49 | cusco | Nirvash: so your file is not there? |
| 02:32.55 | JasonWoof | Infiltrator: if I quit mutt and run it again, it then sees those messages as being unread (and not replied to) again |
| 02:32.59 | Nirvash | cusco: No, it's there |
| 02:33.02 | cusco | .. |
| 02:33.04 | Klownicle | What about my driver=nl80211 invalid not found for hostapd? |
| 02:33.39 | Nirvash | cusco: I know, it makes no sense. The directory is there, but dpkg -S won't find it. |
| 02:33.46 | Infiltrator | "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /home/user" is what you should expect when it wasn't put there by a package. |
| 02:34.01 | Infiltrator | JasonWoof: Have you tired #mutt and/or their MLs? |
| 02:34.31 | Nirvash | Infiltrator: Ah, thanks |
| 02:34.51 | JasonWoof | Infiltrator: not yet, just thought it might be from all the changes since Wheezy. wish I could remember if it happened before that or not |
| 02:35.09 | Klownicle | @Infiltrator: Via hostapd > "invalud unknown driver 'nl80211' |
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| 02:37.28 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd#Getting_hostapd |
| 02:37.39 | vl4kn0 | How do I install KDE from netinstall? Without installing Gnome first |
| 02:38.01 | Infiltrator | JasonWoof: Well, I haven't seen it happen myself, so I can't really help you; sorry. |
| 02:38.03 | Klownicle | ill do that again, but last time that didn't help. |
| 02:38.18 | Klownicle | even thoe I made sure nl80211 was uncommented it still reported that error. |
| 02:38.26 | JasonWoof | Infiltrator: ok, thanks |
| 02:39.01 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: Well, read the bit below: "that means that your distro is not shipping hostapd with nl80211 driver support and you'll need to follow the building instructions". |
| 02:39.19 | Infiltrator | Or you could try a different driver? |
| 02:40.13 | Klownicle | When I tried madwifi udner the hostapd.conf it reported the same error but with madwifi. Also, can't try a different wireless driver as compat-wireless won't compile. |
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| 02:42.12 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: What about driver=hostap? |
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| 02:43.51 | Klownicle | compiling hostapd now, will try ina moment |
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| 02:44.44 | crenneler | ah, good ol gnome 2.3 |
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| 02:45.21 | Infiltrator | crenneler: You got a woody there? |
| 02:45.50 | Klownicle | Infiltrator: Same errors, both with nl80211 and hostap |
| 02:45.51 | crenneler | Infiltrator: it's throbbing and hot like a star |
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| 02:46.44 | crenneler | i'm going to wait out all the bugs in the recent release of debian 7 until they stop support of debian 6 in about 1 year |
| 02:46.59 | crenneler | then i'll grudgingly switch to gnome 3 |
| 02:48.03 | cusco | but doesnt debian 6 has gnome 2.12 or so? |
| 02:48.36 | elkingrey | What are some people's favorite FOSS to use? Software that makes life more fun/productive? Debian being a given. |
| 02:49.29 | crenneler | cusco: it's gnome 2.3 i believe |
| 02:49.35 | freax_ | pretty much every single thing on my computer |
| 02:49.56 | elkingrey | freax_: Name some, I love finding awesome new FOSS to install. |
| 02:50.07 | crenneler | i installed weechat-scriipts, but i can't seem to find where they are. how do I find the files installed from a package? |
| 02:50.13 | crenneler | err scripts* |
| 02:50.17 | freax_ | qBittorrent |
| 02:50.45 | elkingrey | What else? |
| 02:50.50 | freax_ | uTorrent is evil |
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| 02:51.27 | freax_ | Notepad++ |
| 02:52.24 | crenneler | utorrent is full of adware :( it's the sad demise of what used to be the best client out there |
| 02:52.46 | crenneler | gvim is fantastic |
| 02:52.52 | freax_ | yeah well qBittorrent is the replacement, and I can vouch for its stability, featureset, ease of use |
| 02:53.02 | freax_ | good riddens to uTorrent |
| 02:53.09 | elkingrey | What's wrong with transmission? |
| 02:53.10 | freax_ | they got greedy |
| 02:53.15 | freax_ | transmission is fine too |
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| 02:53.34 | Klownicle | deluge+1 |
| 02:53.59 | freax_ | Filezilla! |
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| 03:01.31 | Infiltrator | crenneler: dpkg -L package-name |
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| 03:02.21 | Infiltrator | I use deluge because its client/server model; allows me to run one server which does my downloading and DLNA serving. |
| 03:02.33 | Infiltrator | s/its/of its/ |
| 03:02.46 | Klownicle | Too bad some trackers ban Deluge :-/ |
| 03:03.03 | crenneler | cool thanks Infiltrator |
| 03:03.34 | Infiltrator | Klownicle: Really? I haven't had such problems; then again I guess I don't really pay too much attention to it. |
| 03:03.54 | Klownicle | CHD banned them recently. |
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| 03:04.17 | Vicissitude | why do they ban Deluge? |
| 03:04.38 | Klownicle | People using loopholes to bump up ratio by cheating |
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| 03:05.15 | Vicissitude | ah |
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| 03:10.36 | smw | Infiltrator, Klownicle transmission also has a client server model if you use transmission-daemon and transmission-qt |
| 03:11.26 | Infiltrator | smw: I'm guessing though that it doesn't have a windoze version client? Unfortunately, the missus is being stubborn. :( |
| 03:11.55 | smw | Infiltrator, there is an unofficial one that is pointed to on the website |
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| 03:12.56 | smw | Infiltrator, there are two in fact. https://code.google.com/p/transmission-remote-gtk/downloads/list and https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Ftrqtw%2F&ei=CImdUd-PKsK6igLYhYEo&usg=AFQjCNGV4yT6vE2aRl0kjA_m30_V1xOAYw&bvm=bv.46865395,d.cGE |
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| 03:12.59 | smw | oops |
| 03:13.10 | smw | second one is http://sourceforge.net/projects/trqtw/ |
| 03:14.05 | smw | Infiltrator, the first is an unofficial client that the main developer pointed me to once. The other is an unofficial build of the transmission-qt client for windows |
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| 03:14.36 | tech9ne | is away: Be Back Later!! |
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| 03:24.33 | Klownicle | FINALLY! |
| 03:25.00 | Klownicle | The prefilled config files I was using downloading from wget were causing the issue, retyped them out and volia hostapd starts |
| 03:25.17 | Klownicle | Now I just need to get wireless n working. |
| 03:27.22 | themill | tech9ne: please disable public away messages. No-one cares. |
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| 03:31.07 | Nirvash | How can I SFTP with my local linux box? |
| 03:31.15 | Nirvash | I'm trying to connect via filezilla to the linux box |
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| 03:34.32 | themill | Nirvash: just use "sftp://yourmachine" in the connection box in filezilla |
| 03:34.53 | Nirvash | themill: Apparently my local machine isn't allowing any connections to it |
| 03:34.57 | Nirvash | What can I change to allow them? |
| 03:35.19 | themill | do you have openssh-server installed? |
| 03:35.27 | Nirvash | I don't think so, I'll check |
| 03:35.51 | Nirvash | Installing now |
| 03:36.12 | Nirvash | Thanks ;) |
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| 03:52.18 | kro[au] | Hello, im trying to have the following executed when eth0 comes up, by adding these two lines to the /etc/network/interfaces : post-up /sbin/ip route add default dev eth0 <_NEWLINE_> post-up /sbin/route add default gw 103.18.22.242 |
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| 03:52.52 | kro[au] | Does not seem to take effect. route -n shows no routes at all. If I run these two commands manually, all is well. |
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| 03:53.43 | KRob3 | I accidentally reformatted a btrfs partition, what is my best bet to recover data from it? |
| 03:53.46 | PrinceAMD | hi guys, i normally use network-manager, but now it seems to be freaking out, it runs at startup and get my dhcp ip (verified by pinging from another pc), but a little after maybe 2-4 seconds it disconnects, and there is no ip set to eth0 BUT nm-applet says "Connected" |
| 03:53.53 | PrinceAMD | any ideas what can be going wrong? |
| 03:53.59 | mumpitze1 | KRob3: can you paste your full interfaces file? |
| 03:54.10 | PrinceAMD | debian Wheezy |
| 03:54.22 | kro[au] | mumpitze1, Yes i can one sec |
| 03:54.56 | KRob3 | interfaces? |
| 03:55.19 | mumpitze1 | two nicks starting with "kro", sorry |
| 03:55.31 | KRob3 | oh, ok |
| 03:55.52 | mumpitze1 | KRob3: I doubt you can get it back, I don't know of any btrfs tools to recover after disasters |
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| 03:57.44 | kro[au] | mumpitze1, http://privatepaste.com/50b6dc23b6/asdasdasd |
| 03:57.51 | KRob3 | well, I've used tools in the past that recover deleted files or even files after reformatting, but some of these don't seem to support btrfs. |
| 03:59.04 | KRob3 | I was looking at btrfs-restore, which restores files from a corrupt FS, but it only seems to recover the handful of files created after the reformat, nothing from before. But I did wonder if there might be some additional options for it I might have missed. |
| 04:01.29 | Rusty1 | KRob3: asked on #btrfs ? |
| 04:02.32 | KRob3 | Yes, the only suggestion so far was btrfs-restore, which hasn't worked and no one has been able to suggest appropriate options for it yet that might work. |
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| 04:07.13 | mumpitze1 | KRob3: the post up isn't necessary: the route is already set with gateway |
| 04:07.28 | mumpitze1 | KRob3: and the network line is wrong |
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| 04:08.12 | mumpitze1 | KRob3: that's a netmask you set there, not a network, network would be "network 103.18.22.0" but is deprecated |
| 04:08.39 | mumpitze1 | KRob3: sorry :(. it's all for kro[au]. mea culpa |
| 04:08.49 | kro[au] | ahahah |
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| 04:10.11 | kro[au] | mumpitze1, its needed, as its an additional /29 the default route ends up being .216 but needs to be .242 Please note "If I run these two commands manually, all is well." |
| 04:10.41 | kro[au] | oo i see that |
| 04:10.42 | kro[au] | :) |
| 04:11.27 | kro[au] | mumpitze1, its actually netmask * It was a typo from me typing out the file manually into the private paste :( |
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| 04:12.24 | kro[au] | mumpitze1, do you know _WHY_ the 'post-up' and/or 'up' is not firing? Is there a log i can see in the situation there is some output from one or both of the commands? |
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| 04:14.51 | mumpitze1 | kro[au]: I'm not totally sure, but my guess is post-up wants a script, not a binary with commandline? |
| 04:15.14 | mumpitze1 | scratch that. it does take commands :( |
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| 04:15.44 | mumpitze1 | kro[au]: are you actually sure it's netmask 255.255.255.255 ? |
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| 04:20.37 | kro[au] | mumpitze1, yes |
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| 04:23.28 | mumpitze1 | just checking :) |
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| 04:23.55 | noob | hi |
| 04:24.07 | KRob3 | foremost and photorec look like they may recover some files, but in a jumble of unnamed files with no structure. |
| 04:24.18 | Guest44525 | need some troubleshooting help |
| 04:26.05 | Guest44525 | I turned on my laptop and I keep getting a buffer I/O error on dev sda1 |
| 04:26.45 | Guest44525 | then it says error reading block whatever (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan |
| 04:27.01 | Guest44525 | this is after I manually ran fsck from it not working |
| 04:27.26 | Guest44525 | it's Squeeze with Xfce 4.0 |
| 04:27.44 | Guest44525 | would it help anything to take my battery out put it back in and then restart? |
| 04:28.20 | mumpitze1 | this sounds like a bad harddisk or bad controller. changing a battery won't help |
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| 04:29.20 | Guest44525 | what could have happened to the hard disk? |
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| 04:30.11 | qman__ | hard drives fail; it's a matter of when, not if |
| 04:30.25 | qman__ | that's why we have backups |
| 04:30.34 | pipegeek | back....ups? |
| 04:30.37 | Guest44525 | yep |
| 04:30.41 | Guest44525 | ah fuck |
| 04:30.49 | Guest44525 | well, I guess it's bricked then |
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| 04:30.58 | Guest44525 | unless I can make a new install |
| 04:31.19 | qman__ | you can't fix bad hardware with software |
| 04:31.35 | Guest44525 | trying to boot in recovery mode now |
| 04:31.36 | me-1 | hi...can anybody provide me the link from where I can download Debian with LXDE |
| 04:32.01 | Guest44525 | torrent or ISO? |
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| 04:32.56 | mumpitze1 | me-1: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso for the i386 version |
| 04:33.04 | mumpitze1 | but I strongly suggest you read the install guide |
| 04:33.09 | mumpitze1 | !tell me-1 about ig |
| 04:33.32 | me-1 | mumpitze1, thank you |
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| 04:36.19 | mumpitze1 | me-1: that's the live cd. installer is under http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ get the one with "lxde" in the name |
| 04:36.35 | mumpitze1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso both can be installed however |
| 04:37.08 | Guest44525 | If I was going to get a new computer sometime soonish anyway, it'd make more sense to just wait for the new computer rather than trying to resurrect one with a failed hard drive, right? |
| 04:37.22 | me-1 | I was not looking for the live CD |
| 04:37.30 | mumpitze1 | me-1: both can be installed |
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| 04:38.23 | rryoumaa | what do you do to test that a hard drive is ok? like if it is a new hard drive |
| 04:39.11 | caf | rryoumaa: run a SMART selftest with smartctl |
| 04:39.11 | mumpitze1 | dd and smartmon-tools |
| 04:39.44 | mumpitze1 | not s simple selftest. a long test is the least you need to do. and dd if you want to make sure, reading and writing |
| 04:40.00 | rwp | me-1, All debian installation media can install LXDE. It is just an option. |
| 04:40.10 | mumpitze1 | each run will take around 2 hours,and at least 3 runs |
| 04:41.16 | rwp | hates it when people ask questions but then run away before waiting for answers. |
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| 04:42.18 | rwp | rryoumaa, I run short and long smartctl selftests. |
| 04:43.42 | rryoumaa | rwp: thanks |
| 04:44.05 | rwp | smartctl -t short /dev/sda ; sleep 60 && smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda |
| 04:44.11 | rryoumaa | caf: mumpitze1 thanks |
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| 04:44.56 | rryoumaa | mumpitze1: how do you use dd to do that? |
| 04:45.54 | rryoumaa | is the idea to just poke at various parts? |
| 04:46.08 | rryoumaa | never understood dd vs. cat |
| 04:46.09 | rwp | Read the entire drive: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=4k |
| 04:47.07 | mumpitze1 | no, you write to every single sector on the disk, and read it back. SMART only triggers a sector as non-readable or then relocated if you actually try to read and it errors. so you do a smart info run first, then dd all sectors, then do another smart run to check if anything changed |
| 04:47.08 | rwp | cat is used to conCATenate files. Can be used for other things too. |
| 04:47.58 | rwp | mumpitze1, So would you suggest 'badblocks'? That program seems too slow to be useful. |
| 04:48.26 | mumpitze1 | the important way to use smart is never really the actual output but always the difference between two runs: what has changed (for the worse) between last run and this |
| 04:48.51 | rwp | The nice thing about SMART selftests are that they either pass or fail. :-) |
| 04:48.59 | mumpitze1 | badblocks is only useful for when SMART has already "failed", when there are too many relocated sectors already. it's a last ditch |
| 04:49.35 | rwp | I meant just for the side effect of reading and writing to every block on the disk. |
| 04:50.00 | rwp | If I am locking out badblocks today I will replace the disk. 1T is $80 at the local brick&morter store. |
| 04:53.05 | caf | a SMART long selftest should try writing and reading every sector |
| 04:53.12 | caf | but there's no guarantees |
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| 04:54.59 | truexfan81 | caf: would that not have the side affect of all data on the drive being overwritten? |
| 04:55.49 | rryoumaa | what do you mean by locking out? |
| 04:55.56 | caf | not if it saved and restored the contents around each, but i think you're right, it just read the whole disk |
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| 04:56.11 | caf | based on the time they take, which is a few hours |
| 04:57.15 | rryoumaa | (i meant that i don't understand what dd's blocking means and why it's different from cat. guesses it is a difference in speed) |
| 04:59.02 | rryoumaa | so it soudns like i should do smart short, then smart selftest, then something else, then the same smart tests and compare |
| 04:59.03 | mumpitze1 | caf: a long smart test probably reads but certainly doesn't write unless very explicitly told so |
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| 05:01.12 | caf | rryoumaa: i wouldn't bother with the short selftests, go straight for long |
| 05:01.42 | caf | and badblocks, suggested by someone else, is a good way to write and read every part of the disk (using the "-w" destructive test option) |
| 05:02.42 | rryoumaa | caf: so the command line above should be replaced with the long test, and then do it again and compare after waiting until the next day or something? |
| 05:03.33 | mumpitze1 | typically a run takes up to 2 hours on almost all hdds |
| 05:03.43 | mumpitze1 | only memory is a "check back next day" thing :) |
| 05:04.16 | truexfan81 | mumpitze1: even with 2TB+ drives? |
| 05:04.25 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 05:04.30 | rwp | rryoumaa, In the old old days controllers were quite dumb and there were no spare blocks. |
| 05:04.30 | truexfan81 | not bad |
| 05:04.46 | mumpitze1 | a 2TB drive does 150MB/s sustained |
| 05:04.52 | rwp | So you would need to test the drive for bad blocks and map them and lock them out so that the filesystem would not use them. |
| 05:05.04 | rwp | We haven't seen a drive like that for 15 years or more now. |
| 05:05.14 | rwp | These days all drives have smart controllers and spare internal blocks. |
| 05:05.31 | rwp | If a bad block is detected then the controller automatically maps in a spare block. |
| 05:05.40 | rwp | Which works great. Until you run out of spare blocks. |
| 05:05.47 | mumpitze1 | which is why badblocks is pointless and you don't use it anymore unless it's a drive which is for all intents and purposes already dead |
| 05:05.55 | truexfan81 | rwp: what happens then? |
| 05:06.06 | mumpitze1 | then the drive does nothing and you need to use badblocks |
| 05:06.15 | rwp | The number of spare blocks is what mumpitze1 was referring to about the smart data. If that number reduces then you know the drive is consuming spares. |
| 05:06.30 | rwp | If all of the spares are used then the drive has no choice but to report an error. |
| 05:06.39 | rwp | The Linux kernel will log that to the syslog as an I/O error. |
| 05:06.46 | truexfan81 | i would probably have already replaced the drive long before that happened |
| 05:07.01 | caf | rryoumaa: smartctl -c /dev/sda (or whatever the drive device is) will tell you some info, including how long the selftest will take |
| 05:07.08 | rryoumaa | but it does not report or even know about the bad blocks that had spares? |
| 05:07.15 | caf | for a 2TB drive i have here, it says: |
| 05:07.15 | caf | Extended self-test routine |
| 05:07.16 | caf | recommended polling time: ( 212) minutes. |
| 05:07.20 | truexfan81 | i have a wd green 2TB drive i replaced after it developed 1 bad sector |
| 05:07.25 | rryoumaa | caf: ah |
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| 05:07.45 | rryoumaa | so 3-4h then |
| 05:08.03 | rryoumaa | (memory is a check back next day thing?) |
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| 05:08.36 | mumpitze1 | yes, memtest86+ is best run over night to test for errors |
| 05:08.46 | caf | mmnicolas: badblocks is still useful as a way to force every sector to be written and read |
| 05:09.01 | mumpitze1 | caf: we already do that with dd |
| 05:09.17 | caf | it is preferable to dd because it will actually check that what it read matched what it wrote |
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| 05:10.04 | caf | and by the way even modern drives will report read errors on an uncorrectable sector, remapping only happens when the sector is written |
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| 05:12.37 | rwp | Yes, I was slack about the description typed in on the fly. If there is a read error then the data is lost and an error is reported. Hopefully the error happens on write when the data can be retargeted. |
| 05:12.48 | mumpitze1 | smart tests don't write anything but still relocate bad sectors |
| 05:14.12 | rwp | The problem is that the firmware is a closed source proprietary black box. Different vendors might do anything. So we only know what generally happens but not specifically to these drives. I hate opaque boxes. |
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| 05:16.54 | caf | yeah and drive firmware isn't known for covering itself in glory |
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| 06:41.04 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 06:42.29 | lancelot_of | again as the last time i wrote here (one week ago) after 5-6 days of kernel 3.2 uptime and several hibernation/resumes, today morning (5 minutes ago) on reboot the system started a new boot instead of resuming from hibernation. |
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| 06:43.10 | lancelot_of | I'm running debian wheezy 3.2 kernel, i suppose this should not happen on a stable release, should it?It's the second time and now i have to recover again all the work state... |
| 06:43.25 | lancelot_of | any hint on what happen?any suggestion?please help |
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| 06:45.06 | lancelot_of | in /varl/log/syslog i read these lines....do they mean anything useful?http://paste.debian.net/5925/ |
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| 07:03.58 | strk | I'm planning to do a debian install from an ubuntu machine, to switch over. Have 60GB of hdd, 1 primary partition of 59GB, 1 extended of 1GB fully used for swap. Do you think I'll be able to put something in the 1g extended partition for a new install ? |
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| 07:05.49 | caf | seems iffy |
| 07:06.35 | emss | strk depends on your memory |
| 07:06.49 | emss | ram |
| 07:06.56 | emss | or lack of it :( |
| 07:07.05 | strk | Mem: 507864 331484 176380 0 55748 214172 |
| 07:07.11 | strk | 512M |
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| 07:07.37 | strk | uhm 495M actually, looks like |
| 07:07.55 | well_laid_lawn | try free -m |
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| 07:08.03 | emss | what do you want to pu ton the 1 GB partition? |
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| 07:08.39 | strk | a minimal system to build up from. network and apt should work |
| 07:09.02 | strk | once it boots and reaches network I want to free up the primary partition |
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| 07:09.13 | strk | at that point I can change layout |
| 07:09.28 | emss | strk you could use the netinst installer? |
| 07:09.35 | strk | so, yes, take back the "build up from". I just need it to boot in a system that accesses the internet |
| 07:09.50 | strk | I don't have a working CD burner, basically |
| 07:09.57 | strk | and the machine doesn't support usb boot |
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| 07:10.58 | emss | well the netinst is around 100MB i think so 1GB should probably be plenty ... |
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| 07:11.22 | emss | how easy it is to do, i don't know :) |
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| 07:12.05 | truexfan81 | shaka when the walls fell :P |
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| 07:13.32 | strk | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 07:14.44 | emss | actually the amd64 netinst iso is 221MB |
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| 07:19.06 | genoskill | whats the best way of installing debian |
| 07:19.15 | donttrustem__ | I am trying to install mariadb but getting this E: Unable to locate package mariadb-server-5.5 |
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| 07:20.00 | donttrustem__ | Imam running squeeze |
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| 07:20.07 | emss | genoskill probably depends ... |
| 07:20.08 | lancelot_of | again as the last time i wrote here (one week ago) after 5-6 days of kernel 3.2 uptime and several hibernation/resumes, today morning (5 minutes ago) on reboot the system started a new boot instead of resuming from hibernation.I'm running debian wheezy 3.2 kernel, i suppose this should not happen on a stable release, should it?It's the second time and now i have to recover again all the work state...any hint on what happen?any suggestion? |
| 07:20.08 | lancelot_of | please helpin /varl/log/syslog i read these lines....do they mean anything useful?http://paste.debian.net/5925/ |
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| 07:20.46 | emss | genoskill you could try the netinst which is a small 221MB for amd64 cd/usb installer |
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| 07:25.13 | vassilux | hi all, I can't change keyboard map on Squeeze box , a new install with 6.0.7. Loadkeys command not found. Any idea ? thank |
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| 07:26.54 | jelly-home | ,v mariadb-server-5.5 |
| 07:26.55 | judd | No package named 'mariadb-server-5.5' was found in i386. |
| 07:27.12 | jelly-home | donttrustem__: doesn't seem to be present in debian |
| 07:27.43 | truexfan81 | ,v mariadb |
| 07:27.44 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in i386. |
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| 07:28.01 | emss | vassilux kbd and console-tools packages contain loadkeys command |
| 07:28.45 | emss | lancelot_of does the hibernation require your computer you constantly have power? |
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| 07:28.52 | emss | to |
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| 07:29.58 | lancelot_of | emss, don't understand what do you mean...to have the AC adapter on? |
| 07:30.16 | vassilux | ok thanks emss :-) |
| 07:30.24 | lancelot_of | emss, don't think so...anyway dunno how to check for.... |
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| 07:32.05 | Barcelos | thinking of switching my 2011 macbook pro to just debian 7 |
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| 07:32.14 | Barcelos | thoughts? |
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| 07:32.37 | Barcelos | im afraid SSD is gonna be all GARRRRRRR |
| 07:33.00 | truexfan81 | why? linux loves SSDs |
| 07:34.17 | emss | vassilux http://packages.debian.org/ you can search contents of packages you can also install `apt-file' and after `apt-file update' then `apt-file search loadkeys' |
| 07:34.28 | Barcelos | really eh |
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| 07:36.51 | qdb | hello. here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s06.html.en and here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en is not written , but usb stick may not work at all, no cd, no network boot, and then you know out that neither syslinux (i have not tested this) nor grub see the usb drive. so we can run installer easily from windows , but not from linux. also in dos, if you find install.bat, it is easy. then there is plopexec can be use |
| 07:36.52 | qdb | d, with grub . but it is not written in the manual. |
| 07:37.18 | emss | lancelot_of maybe your computer is losing power, but i am not sure, do not know how that works, however that is a bug if your computer is fine power etc. |
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| 08:00.03 | vassilux | I had two squeeze with drbd and the usb drive. I got the error : reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 and Device offlined - not ready after error recovery. I can't see my /dev/sdb1. Is there a possibility to restart usb driver without reboot PC ? |
| 08:00.21 | jelly | truexfan81: swapping hates ssds |
| 08:00.57 | truexfan81 | jelly: who said anything about putting the swap on the ssd? |
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| 08:01.20 | jelly | truexfan81: careful loving required |
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| 08:01.29 | truexfan81 | lol |
| 08:02.09 | freax | http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ts0al/ |
| 08:02.11 | freax | relevant |
| 08:02.20 | strk | in 3.5 of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en you're asked to install a boot loader, how to do it in a way to keep booting to the old os ? |
| 08:02.40 | strk | or, is it safer to modify grub from the old system to _add_ the new root partition ? |
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| 08:03.20 | Walex2 | mastro: definetely defective CPU. Most likely overheating. |
| 08:03.41 | Walex2 | mastro: definetely defective CPU. Most likely overheating. |
| 08:03.48 | strk | or.. can I just dd if=thenetinstall.iso of=/dev/sda5 , tell grub to boot from /dev/sda5 and reboot ? |
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| 08:03.58 | Walex2 | mastro: second most likely: power too low |
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| 08:16.04 | Walex2 | strk: just do the install, you can edit the bootloader menu later to add the other OS. |
| 08:19.05 | strk | Walex2: and what if it doesn't boot ? I'd be locked out at that point... safer to have the choice to boot on the known-to-work system |
| 08:23.44 | scootypuff | damn it feels good to be a gangsta |
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| 08:26.02 | Walex2 | strk: you can use a live CD to reinstall the booter. |
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| 08:31.58 | strk | Walex2: I don't have a live CD -- going to try the boostrap way right now, what's the name of the latet debian version ? |
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| 08:32.39 | strk | found: debootstrap --arch i386 wheezy . http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
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| 08:33.49 | strk | hopes it'll fit in 0.5G |
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| 08:36.11 | ircofunni | Hi |
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| 08:36.25 | ircofunni | My debian desktop installation in lenovo is crashing at random times |
| 08:36.26 | ircofunni | http://apaste.info/6Y8h |
| 08:36.32 | ircofunni | thats the logs I can see |
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| 08:49.13 | petn-randall | ircofunni: The 'Tainted: W' indicates, that some warnings were issued before. Can you check and post them, too? |
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| 08:56.05 | donttrustem__ | I am trying to forward all root emails to an email address using a .forward but itś not working? |
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| 08:57.14 | themill | donttrustem__: this is normally done in /etc/aliases |
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| 08:57.43 | donttrustem__ | themill, what would be the syntax |
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| 08:58.10 | petn-randall | donttrustem__: man aliases |
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| 08:59.17 | Sepultura | hallo |
| 08:59.34 | Sepultura | can anyone tell me how I can install Firefox 21 on Debian as second browser? |
| 08:59.54 | themill | Sepultura: which debian release? |
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| 09:00.05 | Sepultura | wheezy |
| 09:00.16 | arvind_k | Hi, I am having issues with X, I have a nvidia and an intel card on my laptop. I am using the latest driver binary from nvidia. When I start X or through lightdm, if I use vesa in xorg.conf, X shows up whereas X won't render anything if I use the driver as nvidia |
| 09:00.43 | themill | Sepultura: mozilla.debian.net's "release" repo has iceweasel 21 |
| 09:00.45 | Sepultura | whizzy |
| 09:00.57 | Sepultura | oh thx |
| 09:01.02 | arvind_k | when I don't use any xorg.conf, X shows up, but does not use the nvidia drivers, what am I missing?? |
| 09:01.52 | petn-randall | arvind_k: is this an optimus chipset, where you can switch between the two? |
| 09:02.17 | arvind_k | petn-randall, yes |
| 09:02.38 | donttrustem__ | the .forward has started working ... strange and I have not touched the aliases |
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| 09:04.07 | arvind_k | petn-randall, any ideas? |
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| 09:04.29 | petn-randall | arvind_k: What I've heard is that the support for GPU switching still is sketchy at best. |
| 09:05.00 | Sepultura | thx |
| 09:05.03 | petn-randall | arvind_k: If you still want to get GPU switching to work, you might check out the bumblebee project. Can't say how much work it is to get it to work. |
| 09:05.35 | arvind_k | petn-randall, so I either disable switchable graphics from bios or fix some kernel? |
| 09:06.21 | petn-randall | arvind_k: Well, the intel graphics work out of the box, so it's not the end of the world ;) |
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| 09:06.50 | arvind_k | petn-randall, But I have a 1GB graphics card too, which I would like to use. |
| 09:06.57 | petn-randall | arvind_k: So you wouldn't need to disable the GPU switching. Do you have another OS on that laptop? |
| 09:07.25 | arvind_k | petn-randall, no I don't. Does it all work well with a different OS? |
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| 09:08.40 | EvilDMP | i've tried to install Handbrake, without gtk, and at the end make fails with: ../libhb/decssasub.c:30: fatal error: ass/ass.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:08.52 | EvilDMP | in order to help me, what other information do you require? |
| 09:09.11 | arvind_k | petn-randall, can you please happen to throw some light on optimus. From what I understand the graphics is switched between 2 cards. So is it that there is always one card which renders and the other does computation or stuff? |
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| 09:11.59 | petn-randall | arvind_k: Your intel GPU is attached to the display and always passed the picture through. It either renders the picture itself, or the nvidia GPU does it. |
| 09:12.38 | arvind_k | petn-randall, I see, so only at specific times nvidia gets used? |
| 09:12.57 | petn-randall | arvind_k: Right. If it doesn't render, it gets turned off. |
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| 09:13.20 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 09:13.23 | emss | EvilDMP install libass-dev |
| 09:13.38 | EvilDMP | emss: thanks, will try that |
| 09:13.50 | arvind_k | petn-randall, I see. So in which other Linux OS, does optimus work fine? :) |
| 09:13.55 | zmitya | "netstat -natpu | grep TIME_WAIT" shows lots of sockets, but the pid/process is a "-" |
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| 09:14.03 | emss | EvilDMP http://packages.debian.org/ and also might want to install `apt-file' |
| 09:14.11 | EvilDMP | cheers |
| 09:14.12 | zmitya | how can I find out whihc process opened that connection ? |
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| 09:14.55 | petn-randall | arvind_k: I don't think it does. Nvidia just provides proprietary drivers and leaves everyone in the dark with the specs. That's why it's taking so long to create a FOSS driver, because they have to reverse-engineer the whole thing. |
| 09:15.19 | petn-randall | arvind_k: * I don't think there is a distro where it works, yet. |
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| 09:17.11 | arvind_k | petn-randall, hmmm. Do switching to tty have anything to do with ACPI? |
| 09:17.26 | petn-randall | zmitya: Paste the output please ==> http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:17.41 | petn-randall | arvind_k: I don't think so. Why? |
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| 09:18.23 | arvind_k | petn-randall, when am running I can't swtich to a tty. I was reading in nvidia site that they have issues with tty and on Lenovo laptops |
| 09:18.43 | petn-randall | arvind_k: Which lenovo do you have? |
| 09:19.00 | arvind_k | petn-randall, e430 thinkpad |
| 09:19.49 | petn-randall | arvind_k: I can imagine that using the nvidia driver can break it, I think it'll work if you use only the intel driver. |
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| 09:20.04 | zmitya | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/5945/ |
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| 09:22.06 | petn-randall | zmitya: You have a lot of connections to your MySQL server, and they have been closed all around the same time. TIME_WAIT is normal, they show up after every TCP connection being closed. |
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| 09:22.44 | zmitya | petn-randall: yes, thanks, I just found this: http://antmeetspenguin.blogspot.hu/2008/10/timewait-in-netstat.html |
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| 09:26.41 | ooxi | hi i want to build a package which requires at least java 1.6. which package should i require? if i require openjdk-6-jre it will install a new package even if openjdk-7-jre is already installed on the system. |
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| 09:28.54 | babilen | ooxi: Are you referring to a Debian package here? |
| 09:29.13 | moof2 | check the packaging manual, there are operators for comparing versions |
| 09:29.22 | petn-randall | ooxi: Either do this "Depends: openjdk-7-jre | openjdk-6-jre", this will take the first one available. |
| 09:29.28 | babilen | No ... |
| 09:29.31 | ooxi | babilen, yes i am referring to a debian package |
| 09:29.40 | themill | ooxi: you can depend on default-jre (>> 1:1.7) (s/jre/jdk/ for build dependencies) |
| 09:29.54 | petn-randall | ooxi: Or you check which virtual package they provide and depend on that. |
| 09:30.46 | ooxi | ah cool i did not know that |
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| 09:30.55 | ooxi | thanks :) |
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| 09:31.04 | petn-randall | ooxi: Either way, there's a channel dedicated to packaging stuff, #debian-mentors. Check that out if you have more questions. |
| 09:31.24 | moof2 | that's on oftc, right? |
| 09:31.35 | babilen | ooxi: Okay, there are better channels to discuss this and #debian-java is the one you want - As themill correctly stated you should depend on default-jre (or default-jdk as build-dependency) and "java6-runtime | java7-runtime" or something along those lines |
| 09:31.42 | ooxi | petn-randall, #debian-mentors is invite only |
| 09:31.55 | themill | ooxi: over on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:31.59 | ooxi | ok |
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| 09:32.39 | petn-randall | ooxi: Ah, sorry, forgot to mention it's irc.oftc.net. :) |
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| 09:34.05 | wz9 | my laptop's mic and wifi have stopped working post upgrade to wheezy, output of lspci |
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| 09:34.36 | moof2 | lspci -nn please :) |
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| 09:35.21 | wz9 | moof2: just a sec |
| 09:35.40 | petn-randall | wz9: Paste it to http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:35.53 | wz9 | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5634939 |
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| 09:36.27 | wz9 | http://paste.debian.net/5949/ |
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| 09:36.53 | themill | wz9: do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
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| 09:37.09 | petn-randall | wz9: My guess .. what themill said. |
| 09:37.40 | wz9 | i have it installed |
| 09:37.40 | moof2 | why would sound go out too? |
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| 09:38.14 | wz9 | http://paste.debian.net/5950/ |
| 09:38.22 | wz9 | output of dpkg -l |
| 09:39.01 | moof2 | the -nn also includes the pciids in the lspci output |
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| 09:39.38 | petn-randall | wz9: I think the wireless doesn't work because of missing firmware. Check /var/log/kern.log for a message about it. The sound card is a different problem. |
| 09:41.39 | wz9 | cat /var/log/kern.log|grep firmware|more - http://paste.debian.net/5951/ |
| 09:41.54 | wz9 | looks like it is loading the firmware |
| 09:42.29 | moof2 | wz9, see if the wireless shows up in ifconfig -a |
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| 09:48.25 | xy | 7/b 4 |
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| 09:48.43 | xy | ^ sry, should be a command, just ignore it |
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| 09:49.45 | petn-randall | xy: Which shell?! o.O |
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| 09:50.04 | xy | petn-randall: "/b 4" is a command for my irc client to switch to buffer 4 |
| 09:51.37 | petn-randall | xy: Ah, I see. Irssi? |
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| 09:52.33 | xy | petn-randall: weechat |
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| 10:03.38 | xy | On squeeze->wheezy update, i saw this in the output of apt-get: http://paste.debian.net/5956/ |
| 10:03.41 | xy | should i be worried? |
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| 10:10.32 | jelly | xy: that's normal, some packages have to get temporarily broken during the upgrade due to changes in dependencies |
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| 10:15.32 | wz9 | all the files and folders on my desktop have disappeared post upgrade to wheezy, they are hidden somehow, is this default behavior? |
| 10:15.47 | wz9 | the files do show up under the terminal |
| 10:16.17 | petn-randall | wz9: If you're using gnome 3, I think it doesn't show any files on the desktop, at all. |
| 10:16.55 | koshie_ | Hi. Is there a way to "force" debian to recognize a new packages? I've installed the .deb of libreoffice (3.6) from the tar.gz of the website, but I can't run it. Like it's not installed. |
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| 10:17.47 | jelly | koshie_: do you have logs, full output of your installation? |
| 10:17.50 | wz9 | gnome3 does not have a "system tray" either, for instance when i close out(x at the top right) of skype it simply disappears |
| 10:17.56 | koshie_ | jelly: I've the output, let me paste you :) |
| 10:18.03 | koshie_ | s/you/it/ |
| 10:18.40 | petn-randall | wz9: I think you can at least configure one to show up at the bottom of the screen. |
| 10:19.06 | petn-randall | wz9: You need to pull your mouse down there for it to show up. |
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| 10:19.45 | petn-randall | koshie_: Isn't 4 the newest, anyway? |
| 10:19.55 | koshie_ | (better than pasting you!) output: http://pastebin.com/eyifxCAB and for log it seems I've only the purge I've done before the installation |
| 10:20.08 | koshie_ | petn-randall: yeah but 3.6 fix some of my problems and I don't need the latest, this one is currently supported. |
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| 10:21.59 | jelly | koshie_: looks fine. Can you run libreoffice3.6 or whatever from a terminal? |
| 10:22.06 | koshie_ | jelly: That's my problem, no |
| 10:22.14 | petn-randall | koshie_: What's the output? |
| 10:22.40 | cuqa | hey, most of the time when I edit previous used commands in the shell there is a mixup between the displayed command and the executed commands. anyone has a clue what might caues this problem? |
| 10:22.45 | koshie_ | When I'm using tab key after lib there is nothing about libreoffice, and if I try libreoffice3.6-writer it seems I don't have the command. |
| 10:22.51 | koshie_ | petn-randall: |
| 10:22.53 | petn-randall | koshie_: I think the upstream packages install themselves to /opt/, you will need to use that binary. |
| 10:22.59 | koshie_ | oh |
| 10:23.06 | koshie_ | yeah, it's here |
| 10:23.07 | jelly | koshie_: which login shell do you use? Run "hash -r" in bash for it to update its view of binaries available in the PATH |
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| 10:23.31 | koshie_ | jelly: using bash, not better with your command but it's in /opt anyway |
| 10:23.43 | koshie_ | A clean way to run libreoffice3.6 from /opt |
| 10:23.44 | koshie_ | ? |
| 10:23.53 | jelly | koshie_: sounds like you didn't install libreoffice-debian-menus |
| 10:23.59 | koshie_ | I mean a way to use "libreoffice" to run from /opt |
| 10:24.00 | petn-randall | koshie_: Find the soffice binary, use that. |
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| 10:24.42 | petn-randall | cuqa: Could you give an example? I'm not quite sure what you mean. |
| 10:24.49 | jelly | koshie_: their 4.0 build comes with that package, providing links in /usr/bin |
| 10:25.03 | jelly | no idea about 3.6 tho |
| 10:25.13 | jelly | if I wanted 3.6 I'd use Debian's packaging |
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| 10:26.08 | jelly | ,v libreoffice-calc |
| 10:26.09 | judd | Package: libreoffice-calc on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; jessie: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy-backports: 1:4.0.3-2~bpo70+1; sid: 1:4.0.3-3 |
| 10:26.09 | wz9 | petn-randall: thanks |
| 10:26.23 | jelly | oh, no 3.6 at all |
| 10:26.35 | koshie_ | THanks peoples, I'm leaving. |
| 10:26.36 | koshie_ | cya ! |
| 10:26.48 | jelly | and what's this, backports from SID in wheezy-backports?!?!? |
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| 10:28.42 | joltcan | I heard you like backports... |
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| 10:30.12 | petn-randall | jelly: Where?! |
| 10:30.53 | jelly | there! |
| 10:31.14 | petn-randall | stares at jelly. |
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| 10:34.07 | arvind_k | petn-randall, I understand. Do you happen to know how I can fix switching tty? |
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| 10:35.41 | cuqa | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/tF52j51x .. here I edited the command from line 1, but as you can see there is a difference in the command which is being displayed (line 3) and the executed command (line 6) |
| 10:36.58 | petn-randall | arvind_k: If you have graphics problems and you're using the proprietary nvidia driver, you can only take it up with nvidia and hope for the best. |
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| 10:37.45 | arvind_k | petn-randall, hmm I have the problems with debian ones too, from wheezy, sid<ssb>, proprietary |
| 10:37.47 | cuqa | im connected to a vserver via ssh.. that probably matters :| |
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| 10:39.08 | petn-randall | arvind_k: The non-free drivers are only packaged for convenience, and are not part of debian. You can of course file a bug report against that package, but the maintainer will only forward it to nvidia, which will just delay communication. |
| 10:39.48 | arvind_k | to hell with proprietary stuff. Nvidia f you, again! |
| 10:40.35 | petn-randall | arvind_k: So you did see Linus' talk a while back? ;) |
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| 10:41.13 | arvind_k | petn-randall, long back :) been using debian for past 4 years now :) |
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| 10:43.37 | petn-randall | arvind_k: I was referring to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ |
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| 10:45.39 | arvind_k | petn-randall, yes, the one where he talks at a university :) |
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| 10:49.18 | GmanOZ | i am having trouble going from wheezy to Experimental |
| 10:49.28 | GmanOZ | not sure what the go is |
| 10:49.55 | mumpitze1 | you cannot "go to" experimental. all you can do is install some packages without any support but many bugs. what do you want to install exactly? |
| 10:50.04 | petn-randall | GmanOZ: Have you read the warnings/documentation yet? |
| 10:50.12 | GmanOZ | no |
| 10:50.52 | GmanOZ | sid installs hmmm |
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| 10:51.25 | mumpitze1 | GmanOZ: installing sid is not good idea either. again: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 10:53.20 | GmanOZ | i am want to run bleeding edge |
| 10:53.47 | petn-randall | GmanOZ: For the sake of accomplishing what? |
| 10:55.42 | GmanOZ | because i want to run newer things |
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| 10:55.47 | GmanOZ | but hate ubuntu |
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| 10:56.22 | petn-randall | GmanOZ: Unless you're a developer OR at least willing to fix lots of bugs by hand, I don't recommend it. |
| 10:56.33 | c0mrade__ | Hello. Is it recommended to install the GRUB boot loader in a Virtual Machine (VMWare Workstation 8) or I can simply skip that step and it won't affect anything? |
| 10:56.46 | mumpitze1 | GmanOZ: run mint. we don't support it however |
| 10:56.56 | mumpitze1 | c0mrade__: you must install grub or your VM won't boot |
| 10:56.59 | aboman | GmanOZ: Sid is in pretty wild flux atm with breakages to be expected. unless you want to do a lot of fixing wait at least a few weeks before you go to sid |
| 10:57.00 | GmanOZ | but wheezy has a old kernel |
| 10:57.20 | mumpitze1 | GmanOZ: do you need a newer kernel for anything? |
| 10:57.20 | GmanOZ | what about testing ? |
| 10:57.29 | c0mrade__ | Um. If I must install it. Why is it asking me whether I want or not? |
| 10:57.33 | mumpitze1 | GmanOZ: same as sid right now |
| 10:57.47 | GmanOZ | jessie |
| 10:57.53 | petn-randall | c0mrade__: You can still install LILO. |
| 10:57.54 | mumpitze1 | c0mrade__: cause debian is flexible. you could boot via UEFI, via PXE, etc |
| 10:58.06 | GmanOZ | ok mumpitze1 |
| 10:58.08 | c0mrade__ | Oh okay. |
| 10:58.13 | aboman | GmanOZ: same. wheezy was just released so packages are moving from experimental to sid and from "old sid" to testing |
| 10:58.15 | GmanOZ | also how do i get gnome 3.8.2 |
| 10:58.45 | mumpitze1 | gmright now, you can't. not in any debian branch |
| 10:58.50 | GmanOZ | so what will experimental be ? |
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| 10:59.19 | GmanOZ | i know there is a experimental version of gnome 3.8.1 |
| 10:59.20 | petn-randall | GmanOZ: experimental packages are those that are to disruptive to put straightly into unstable. |
| 10:59.44 | GmanOZ | what about gnome 3.6.2 ? |
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| 11:00.54 | mprzytulski | hi, I have a problem - I got wheezy installed with proxmox (which downgraded my kernel to 2.6.32-20-pve) now i need to install on it iscsi target, but when i try to install iscsitarget iscsitarget-dkms it will install it with modules for 3.2 kernel so i will get version missmatch when trying to start iscsi |
| 11:01.34 | mprzytulski | so my question is - how can i install iscsi ? - should i try to install old version of package ? or there is other possibility for that ? |
| 11:01.35 | c0mrade__ | I installed debian and booted successfully but got a message saying "GNOME 3 didn't start properly??" |
| 11:02.04 | GmanOZ | you need to install your graphics drivers |
| 11:02.10 | mumpitze1 | !proxmox |
| 11:02.11 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 11:02.13 | GmanOZ | i had the same issue |
| 11:02.17 | mumpitze1 | mprzytulski: ask the proxmox folks, not us |
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| 11:02.39 | mumpitze1 | c0mrade__: gnome 3 doesn't work very well inside VMs |
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| 11:02.58 | mumpitze1 | maybe change that: s/inside VMs/// |
| 11:03.02 | mumpitze1 | -/ |
| 11:03.12 | mprzytulski | ok, thanks |
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| 11:14.12 | radiosilence | Say I need a version of a package that is compiled from the latest git checkout |
| 11:14.14 | radiosilence | how is that done? |
| 11:14.22 | radiosilence | I guess I could use opt |
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| 11:30.35 | cappameil | lualatex dos.tex |
| 11:31.00 | antihero | I want to write an init script for a daemonising process. |
| 11:31.03 | antihero | How does one do this |
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| 11:39.53 | cuqa | remove the errors from the script? |
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| 11:41.50 | mumpitze1 | ws2k3: fix your exim4 |
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| 12:03.18 | Nirvash | When I run startx I have terminator opening with one of my user accounts |
| 12:03.30 | Nirvash | What can I change/look at/edit/do to stop this from popping up? |
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| 12:03.52 | Nirvash | I have googled, checked .profile, .xinitrc, etc. and have found nothing. I also created another user and verified that it is limited to my account only |
| 12:04.17 | Nirvash | What else could I check to fix the issue? I have also attempted restarts, replacing .profile, and saving my session |
| 12:04.25 | Nirvash | Nothing works, and terminator keeps popping up after boot |
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| 12:06.47 | ksk | what DE do you start? does it have an autostart feature? mine(fluxbox) has. take a look |
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| 12:07.21 | Nirvash | I have looked through xfce's autostart and haven't found any references to terminator |
| 12:07.22 | ksk | if its limited to your account its likely ~/.$DE/... |
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| 12:07.43 | ksk | so move your .config directory. restart. see if problem is still there |
| 12:09.03 | Nirvash | trying this now |
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| 12:10.27 | Nirvash | the screen flickered and is giving me the first-time load display |
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| 12:10.58 | freax | nice username |
| 12:11.00 | Username | Есть кто живой? |
| 12:11.15 | Nirvash | So I know config is the problem, thank you for narrowing that down |
| 12:11.24 | freax | ooh russian |
| 12:11.29 | Nirvash | Uh.... it's not doing it now? |
| 12:11.31 | Nirvash | Wtf... |
| 12:11.43 | Nirvash | Trying a reboot to double check |
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| 12:13.08 | Nirvash | ksk: ... y-you fixed it! |
| 12:13.16 | Nirvash | but how? |
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| 12:13.22 | Nirvash | was it something with .cache maybe? |
| 12:13.24 | Duser | Hello, World !!! Please, help me with starting graphical application without WM. I should install only x-windows-system-core and xterm for this? |
| 12:13.38 | Nirvash | then the package created new files for .cache because it didn't have a config to work with |
| 12:13.42 | Nirvash | ? |
| 12:13.45 | xliiv | anyone for a challange? ;) |
| 12:13.46 | xliiv | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/76812/how-to-repair-system-if-kernel-panic |
| 12:14.15 | Nirvash | xliiv: Uh... reinstall? |
| 12:14.31 | Nirvash | Or use livecd? Or a liveUSB to remove data and then wipe? |
| 12:14.41 | xliiv | Nirvash: hehe maybe somthing less sophisticated :) |
| 12:15.00 | Nirvash | xliiv: Beats me =/ |
| 12:15.05 | xliiv | Nirvash: so it'd be the quickest? :/ |
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| 12:15.44 | Nirvash | xliiv: Yeah. You can download something like backtrack5 and put it on a flashdrive really easily, then just boot from it, mount your hdd, then reinstall the OS from another flashdrive or a live CD |
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| 12:16.06 | Sepultura | god damn. i will never try to compile a browser ^ |
| 12:16.08 | Sepultura | ^^ |
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| 12:16.55 | Nirvash | Sepultura: Why? |
| 12:16.57 | xliiv | Nirvash: how can i easily recreate my current apps on fresh new installtion? is it a way for that? |
| 12:17.19 | petn-randall | xliiv: For starters you could provide the exact kernel panic, it would greatly help with solving your problem. |
| 12:17.20 | Nirvash | xliiv: Just apt-get them and be sure to save any of your .confs located in /home/user and /etc/app |
| 12:17.22 | Sepultura | Nirvash: tried to compile firefox. screwed my GUI |
| 12:17.40 | Nirvash | Sepultura: Weird... why not just use iceweasel? |
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| 12:18.37 | xliiv | petn-randall: how can i do that? |
| 12:18.49 | Sepultura | I had Iceweasel 10 and mdn.mozilla said I need at least firefox 13 for FileSaver JS function. So I wanted to make an portable firefox to test |
| 12:18.57 | petn-randall | xliiv: Boot the system, take a picture, upload it somewhere. |
| 12:19.06 | xliiv | btw: when i chroot it the error is the same "segmentation fault" |
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| 12:19.20 | Sepultura | Nirvash: dbus got corrupted o.O |
| 12:19.40 | Nirvash | Sepultura: Oh... I'm new to the WM/DE thing so I'm not much help lol |
| 12:19.42 | Sepultura | reinstalled dbus and it is working |
| 12:19.47 | xliiv | petn-randall: ok, i'll take a shot with a phone.. |
| 12:19.55 | Nirvash | I'm new to the whole linux thing, but especially the WM/DE thing... |
| 12:19.56 | `Z` | How can I configure my /etc/network/interfaces file to make it fallback on APIPA if DHCP is not available please ? |
| 12:20.02 | Nirvash | I'm used to just havint TTY and CLI |
| 12:20.04 | xliiv | petn-randall: would be enough? |
| 12:20.34 | xliiv | is there a file where initializing is logged in? |
| 12:21.07 | petn-randall | xliiv: As long as the text is readable, it's ok. |
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| 12:21.35 | petn-randall | xliiv: Depending on how far your system boot, it might get logged or not. I'd guess not if init gets killed. |
| 12:21.38 | xliiv | petn-randall: because i have no other solution.. system printscreen perhaps is not wokring yet |
| 12:22.05 | xliiv | ok so BRB |
| 12:22.12 | petn-randall | xliiv: A phone picture is completely fine. |
| 12:22.18 | xliiv | nice :) |
| 12:22.20 | xliiv | brb |
| 12:23.19 | Sepultura | what is the reason debian forked Firefox? |
| 12:23.54 | jelly | dpkg, tell Sepultura about why iceweasel |
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| 12:31.34 | xliiv | i've just updated the post: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/76812/how-to-repair-system-if-kernel-panic |
| 12:31.38 | xliiv | with a image |
| 12:32.39 | xliiv | what do you think? :D |
| 12:33.21 | ksk | go to #debian-next on oftc maybe |
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| 12:33.58 | xliiv | ksk: you talking to me? |
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| 12:37.48 | ksk | yes. in here we handle debian stable mostly. |
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| 12:38.44 | xliiv | ksk: ok thanks :) |
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| 12:39.59 | xliiv | "#debian-next Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned" O_o |
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| 12:40.36 | jelly | xliiv: different irc network, irc.oftc.net (same as irc.debian.org) |
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| 12:40.45 | xliiv | thans again |
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| 12:47.40 | tech9ne | is away: Fast Asleep See Ya In A Few Winks!! |
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| 12:48.35 | jaalto | What's the correct channel to ask about Makefile (GNU automake) related questions? The make doesn't diplay full output, only "CC <file>.cc", so I'd like to know what need to be chnaged to get the familiar output "gcc <flags> <flags> ...." |
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| 12:49.39 | developer | hi all |
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| 12:50.02 | developer | why is everyone who works in debian is called an asshole |
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| 12:50.11 | developer | any idea? |
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| 12:50.22 | nkuttler | developer: do you have a support question? |
| 12:50.37 | developer | yes...in many places i have heard about it |
| 12:50.46 | nkuttler | !tell developer about ot |
| 12:50.52 | developer | yes i do have a support question |
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| 12:51.47 | g00se | Trying to move a squeeze box from fixed IP to dynamic on BT Home Hub. It wasn't appearing in Hub gui when fixed. Is that normal? |
| 12:51.52 | developer | google chrome is not working in debian |
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| 12:51.58 | developer | what can i do about it |
| 12:52.38 | developer | anyone has any idea about it? it installs fine but not opening |
| 12:52.51 | developer | i mean not able to browse other than google home page |
| 12:52.51 | mumpitze1 | run it from an xterm and see |
| 12:53.02 | developer | tried running it from xterm |
| 12:53.05 | jaalto | developer: use reportbug(1) to file a bug report. Remember to attach some kind of test case with it for repeatability. |
| 12:53.21 | developer | so nobody here has an answer ! |
| 12:53.28 | jaalto | developer: ... provided that it's not some local problem. |
| 12:53.30 | developer | it shows google.com page |
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| 12:54.00 | smlb | developer, change your DNS |
| 12:54.04 | smlb | try opendns |
| 12:54.07 | jaalto | developer: have you tired to remove and reinstall it first? |
| 12:54.07 | developer | i tried it |
| 12:54.10 | Walex2 | developer: sounds like a DNS problem... try opening http://157.166.248.10/ |
| 12:54.15 | developer | yes re-installed |
| 12:54.27 | jaalto | developer: can you ping any outside addresses? |
| 12:54.34 | developer | yes.. |
| 12:54.36 | Walex2 | developer: http://157.166.248.10/ should be the CNN.com home page |
| 12:54.43 | developer | not opening |
| 12:54.53 | Walex2 | developer: other check to do 'tcptraceroute 157.166.248.10' |
| 12:54.59 | developer | its says you require an active interbnert |
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| 12:55.29 | developer | anybody |
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| 12:55.56 | developer | gone? |
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| 12:56.10 | developer | help please |
| 12:56.33 | developer | i fooled everyone over here |
| 12:56.36 | developer | you morons |
| 12:56.43 | petn-randall | developer: Google Chrome is not a debian package. Take it up with Google. |
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| 12:57.00 | tralala | developer, you sure did. Great job! |
| 12:57.05 | smlb | petn-randall, according with you |
| 12:57.08 | developer | thanks |
| 12:57.21 | jaalto | developer: Wasting people's time is not funny. |
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| 12:57.35 | developer | thanks to all ...i appreciate the kind of support this room provided |
| 12:57.38 | developer | i was just tetsting |
| 12:57.51 | smlb | first irc rule → be kind and polite |
| 12:57.58 | smlb | don't insult everyone |
| 12:57.59 | developer | i was just testing.. |
| 12:57.59 | petn-randall | developer: You're welcome! Have a fun time over at #ubuntu, or wherever you're moving onto. |
| 12:58.01 | jaalto | developer: Don't test. It causes you to be ignored for *real* problems you may have later |
| 12:58.07 | developer | sure smlb |
| 12:58.08 | nkuttler | smlb: fuck being polite |
| 12:58.28 | developer | yes nkuttler |
| 12:58.35 | developer | everyone should be a jerk like you |
| 12:58.36 | smlb | nkuttler, for who ask something about their trouble |
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| 12:58.47 | m8 | what's the best way to install firefox in debian testing? |
| 12:58.52 | developer | smlb: go fuck yourself |
| 12:58.55 | nkuttler | !tell m8 about iceweasel |
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| 12:59.00 | smlb | m8, iceweasel |
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| 12:59.12 | smlb | install it from experimental repo |
| 12:59.17 | developer | best way to install firefox is finger your self |
| 12:59.20 | nkuttler | !ops developer's trolling is getting out of hand |
| 12:59.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: developer's trolling is getting out of hand |
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| 12:59.22 | developer | and pray to god |
| 12:59.25 | petn-randall | dpkg: ops developer being a troll |
| 12:59.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: petn-randall complains about: developer being a troll |
| 12:59.27 | smlb | developer, I'm defending you, dafaq? |
| 12:59.49 | developer | what thwe faq? |
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| 13:00.00 | lokote_jones | How do I report that Debian 7 update breaks awfully if you are running SLI 280 GTX video cards? |
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| 13:00.22 | lokote_jones | About to switch to Ubuntu; but before I go I want to report all the NAK noveue driver errors. |
| 13:00.29 | smlb | developer, nothing man. If you ask polite we will help you |
| 13:00.36 | petn-randall | thanks, babilen. |
| 13:00.44 | babilen | developer: Please refrain from insulting people in here and try to stay on-topic and focused on technical issues. Your behaviour is unacceptable and I would ask you to behave better in the future. |
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| 13:01.22 | theothertom | lokote_jones: you might have some luck with reportbug |
| 13:01.22 | m8 | smlb, it's the same as firefox? |
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| 13:02.21 | lokote_jones | theothertom: Thanks. Ill look into it. Been up since 4 am trying to fix it. Just barely figured out that I had to move my video card plug from one card to the other to see the errors. It locks the system. I'll report every thing. Thanks a bunch! |
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| 13:02.35 | smlb | m8, yeah, change only the logo by the way |
| 13:02.43 | jaalto | lokote_jones: The best is to open bug reports to the appropriate packages. See reportbug(1), list of packages "dpkg -l | grep ...". This might be Xorg driver problem too. |
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| 13:03.16 | lokote_jones | Bug#620745 Just found someone with the same issue. Except it appears theirs doesn't lock the computer up. |
| 13:03.21 | lokote_jones | But that is the exact error I get. |
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| 13:03.22 | babilen | nkuttler: And comments such as "fuck being polite" are also not needed nor do they help to maintain a professional, welcoming and friendly atmosphere. |
| 13:03.23 | jaalto | lokote_jones: Thank you for reporting, those inputs are valuable to the developers. |
| 13:03.48 | nkuttler | !tell babilen about ot |
| 13:03.50 | m8 | smlb, all plugins sync are compatible? |
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| 13:04.01 | erming | using Debian 7, it keeps booting into Gnome Classic. how to do i change the default to Gnome 3? (I'm running inside vmware, with 3d acceleration enabled) |
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| 13:04.16 | smlb | m8 yep |
| 13:04.19 | erming | gnome-shell --replace just freaks out |
| 13:04.21 | m8 | very good |
| 13:04.25 | jaalto | lokote_jones: If you want to provide more information to that bug, please mail "To: 620745@bugs.debian.org" |
| 13:04.51 | babilen | nkuttler: I don't quite follow and also don't think that we should continue this. I said what I wanted to say and hope that you understand that. |
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| 13:05.04 | petn-randall | erming: in gnome classic, can you paste the output of 'glxinfo' to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:05.16 | erming | sure thing, hold on! |
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| 13:05.37 | zetheroo | is ZFS officially supported by Debian Wheezy? |
| 13:05.48 | nkuttler | babilen: you said what you wanted to say, but why do you do it here? i thought you were familiar with the channel.. |
| 13:06.36 | lokote_jones | jaalto: Thank you. I sent my email. Have a great day! =) |
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| 13:07.10 | erming | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/5993/ |
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| 13:07.24 | JordiGH | Okay, I've chrooted into my unbootable system correctly, which apparently has a messed up initrd. |
| 13:07.42 | JordiGH | Now all I gotta do to fix it is re-run update-initramfs? |
| 13:08.06 | petn-randall | JordiGH: If it's simply broken, yes. Did you already narrow down why it's unbootable? |
| 13:08.09 | babilen | nkuttler: In order to make it clear to everyone in this channel what is acceptable and what is not. Either way, lets move on. You can /msg me if you *really* want to continue this. I, for one, have better things to do right now. |
| 13:08.26 | JordiGH | petn-randall: I don't know, the initrd couldn't decrypt my LVM partition. |
| 13:08.30 | nkuttler | babilen: oh, i also have better things to do. glad we can move on finally |
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| 13:08.49 | JordiGH | petn-randall: Let me look at the contents of the initrd, maybe there's something obviously wrong in there. |
| 13:09.46 | jelly | JordiGH: did you not nail it down yesterday to "luks device accidentally has the exact same name as the root partition lv device should use" |
| 13:10.10 | m8 | smlb, experimental repo with apt pinning? |
| 13:10.12 | jacobw | JordiGH: You need devices files to automagicaly build an initrd with the modules you need |
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| 13:10.20 | smlb | m8 yes |
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| 13:10.25 | JordiGH | jelly: That's when I was trying to mount it manually. I fixed that, I think. My /etc/cryptsetup names the luks device "sda5_crypt". |
| 13:10.27 | m8 | good |
| 13:10.38 | jelly | JordiGH: oh, that's saner |
| 13:10.55 | jelly | JordiGH: er, isn't it /etc/crypttab |
| 13:10.59 | JordiGH | jelly: So now I'm in my chroot.... |
| 13:11.02 | JordiGH | Yes, /etc/crypttab |
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| 13:11.13 | JordiGH | backs up his hg repos before going any further. |
| 13:12.13 | smlb | that developer contact me and insult me |
| 13:12.19 | smlb | noobs are everywhere lol |
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| 13:14.57 | petn-randall | smlb: put him on /ignore |
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| 13:17.48 | petn-randall | erming: Looking at your glxinfo output, in principle you should be able to use standard gnome 3. |
| 13:18.05 | petn-randall | erming: Can you check if there's anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 13:19.06 | petn-randall | erming: And maybe even ~/.xession-errors? |
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| 13:20.09 | erming | first boot gave me a notification "gnome3 cant boot. fall back to gnome classic", and then i reloaded the virtual machine with vmware tools installed and 3d acceleration on |
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| 13:20.20 | erming | the problem now i have is that gnome classic still boot |
| 13:20.30 | erming | petn-randall i will check it out |
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| 13:21.49 | mumpitze1 | petn-randall: he runs under VMWare... |
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| 13:22.49 | petn-randall | mumpitze1: Which means? |
| 13:23.02 | erming | i tried debian7 booting with vmware from osx, and that worked |
| 13:23.04 | erming | now im on windows |
| 13:23.25 | erming | radeon hd7750, not sure if that matters |
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| 13:23.54 | mumpitze1 | petn-randall: VMs have notoriously bad 3D support. |
| 13:24.10 | mumpitze1 | erming: did you install the guest additions or whatever vmware calls them? |
| 13:24.20 | erming | vmware tools |
| 13:24.21 | erming | yep |
| 13:24.25 | petn-randall | erming: It's more important to see as what the graphics card shows up in the VM. |
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| 13:24.40 | lokote_jones | Does any one know if Linux Mint has a room like this? #mintlinux or something? |
| 13:25.14 | jelly | !mint |
| 13:25.15 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 13:25.31 | jelly | lokote_jones: see above, note it's on a different irc network |
| 13:25.32 | mumpitze1 | petn-randall: it's fully emulate. the normal VMWare kind which afaik doesn't work. neither will virtualbox. OSX VMs are usually better emulating 3D videocards: parallels forced them to be better |
| 13:25.45 | lokote_jones | Thank you! |
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| 13:26.08 | tech9ne | is away: Fast Asleep See Ya In A Few Winks!! |
| 13:26.41 | erming | http://paste.debian.net/5999/ |
| 13:26.51 | erming | .xsession-error |
| 13:27.01 | erming | i cleaned it up and rebooted, and thats what i got |
| 13:27.02 | mumpitze1 | babilen: can you show tech9ne the error of his ways. not the first time he does this today |
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| 13:27.30 | smlb | petn-randall, I know lol |
| 13:27.32 | erming | "gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support." :( |
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| 13:28.23 | mumpitze1 | erming: what are the settings for the VM's 3D? |
| 13:28.31 | JordiGH | Hm, ok... I'm looking at the contents of my initrd. What's the part about how to decrypt my hard drive? |
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| 13:28.41 | erming | well, all i have is a checkbox: [x] 3d accelerated graphics |
| 13:28.47 | JordiGH | I thought the init script at the root of my initrd would say something about cryptsetup. |
| 13:29.23 | erming | this seems to be vmware issue, so don't worry about it. i'll google around :D |
| 13:29.30 | jelly | !tell JordiGH about debug initramfs |
| 13:30.03 | jelly | JordiGH: it's quite possible the currect image is broken for some reason |
| 13:30.15 | petn-randall | JordiGH: How do you decrypt your LVM? Do you type in a password? |
| 13:30.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell tech9ne -about away |
| 13:30.31 | babilen | tech9ne: Please turn that off, thanks. |
| 13:30.38 | tech9ne | is back (gone 00:04:29) |
| 13:30.45 | tech9ne | sorry guys no worries |
| 13:30.48 | mumpitze1 | thanks babilen |
| 13:30.54 | tech9ne | will keep it in mind |
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| 13:30.56 | babilen | np, thanks tech9ne :) |
| 13:31.07 | JordiGH | petn-randall: Yes, I type in a password. |
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| 13:31.13 | tech9ne | cheers |
| 13:31.15 | tech9ne | :) |
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| 13:32.18 | JordiGH | jelly: I was already reading that page you showed me. I guess I'll just try to run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image and see if that fixes my initrd. |
| 13:32.29 | JordiGH | If it doesn't, I'll drop into the initramfs shell |
| 13:32.37 | jelly | nod |
| 13:33.28 | g00se | I'm wondering why usb hot-plugging has gone flaky on a squeeze box i have here. There are udev warnings but i wonder if they are significant? |
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| 13:34.05 | JordiGH | Hm, "cryptsetup WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of /dev/dm-2" |
| 13:34.45 | jelly | JordiGH: hmph, which link in /dev/mapper points to dm-2? |
| 13:35.12 | JordiGH | There are other problems after this... |
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| 13:35.34 | JordiGH | Should I pastebin? |
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| 13:35.44 | JordiGH | In my chroot, there are is nothing under /dev/mapper |
| 13:36.04 | petn-randall | g00se: Could you paste them to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 13:37.51 | jelly | JordiGH: bind-mount /dev, /proc and /sys in it before trying to rebuild initramf |
| 13:37.53 | jelly | s. |
| 13:38.24 | JordiGH | jelly: Outside of the chroot, you mean? |
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| 13:38.58 | jelly | JordiGH: bind the ones from outside into the chroot |
| 13:39.07 | petn-randall | JordiGH: from outside into the chroot. |
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| 13:39.13 | JordiGH | I did sys and proc. I guess I forgot dev |
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| 13:42.29 | JordiGH | So, mount --bind /dev/mapper /mnt/dev/mapper ? |
| 13:42.37 | JordiGH | Outside the chroot? |
| 13:42.44 | JordiGH | Then chroot into /mnt? |
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| 13:43.28 | zeroxia | Hi, which package is "openssl-dev"? |
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| 13:43.48 | JordiGH | I'm reading this... http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 13:44.17 | zeroxia | fatal error: openssl/pem.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:44.21 | petn-randall | JordiGH: No, the whole /dev. 'mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev/' |
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| 13:44.31 | JordiGH | petn-randall: Okay... |
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| 13:45.36 | JordiGH | Okay, this time dpkg-reconfigure finished cleanly. |
| 13:45.44 | caf | zeroxia: libssl-dev |
| 13:45.54 | JordiGH | I guess I'm ready to reboot... |
| 13:46.52 | JordiGH | Sigh, still won't boot... |
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| 13:47.15 | zeroxia | caf: Thank you. |
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| 13:52.15 | ddssc | hi whats the best way to install java in server ubuntu (terminal only) ? |
| 13:52.27 | ddssc | whoops wrong chan |
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| 13:58.20 | JordiGH | I might add, my system is in the middle of a squeeze->wheezy upgrade. This happened when I did apt-get upgrade but not apt-get dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 13:58.28 | eugenmayer | Hello. Any informations how to cross-compile/prepare deb packages? i have a 32 bit system and need compile for 32 and 64 bit |
| 13:58.57 | mumpitze1 | eugenmayer: use a (s)chroot? |
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| 13:59.18 | eugenmayer | mumpitze1: any "easier" / lightweight options/alternatives? |
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| 14:01.33 | piranhaxx | just a question related to ubuntu: is ubuntu still based on debian or did they gros their own branch? |
| 14:01.58 | eugenmayer | piranhaxx: rather not ask ubuntu questions here |
| 14:02.01 | eugenmayer | ubuntu? |
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| 14:02.12 | eugenmayer | you will gt strucked down by quiet a bit of anger :) |
| 14:02.16 | eugenmayer | !ubuntu |
| 14:02.16 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 14:02.22 | piranhaxx | eugenmayer: i m really not a fan of ubuntu, just curious .. |
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| 14:02.47 | zinx | piranhaxx: they have their own source packages in many (most?) cases |
| 14:02.55 | eugenmayer | piranhaxx: i think they are based on debian for sure, they cannot do all the work alone - now way. So bascially ubuntu is a debian overaly |
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| 14:03.04 | zinx | piranhaxx: and debian .debs do not interact well with ubuntu .debs, generally |
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| 14:03.11 | piranhaxx | zinx: alright, so mostly they rebuild everything? |
| 14:03.21 | zinx | piranhaxx: they do rebuild everything |
| 14:03.29 | piranhaxx | ok thx guys |
| 14:03.36 | zinx | piranhaxx: they tend to apply more random patches, and combine some packages together that aren't combined in debian |
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| 14:03.47 | piranhaxx | i was just curious, not a big fan of their commercial way anyway .. |
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| 14:05.14 | eugenmayer | piranhaxx: well i think ubunut def. has its place in the linux world - and it has been a real successor in its field. It pushed linux in enviroments it would never be right now |
| 14:05.43 | piranhaxx | eugenmayer: do you feel it also pushed debian as well, somehow? |
| 14:05.58 | eugenmayer | piranhaxx: yes it did. By people seeing |
| 14:06.24 | piranhaxx | true |
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| 14:06.27 | eugenmayer | what the difference is between a distro like ubuntu and debian. It def. told a lot a lesson to not use "a debian distro" for servers, but rather THE debian distro |
| 14:07.02 | eugenmayer | For me, debian and ubuntu perfectly align in a puzzle - and do good things in both direction |
| 14:07.51 | piranhaxx | i find it weird that amazon EC2 do not offer Debian instances but only Ubuntu, Red Hat, OpenSuse .. |
| 14:08.16 | eugenmayer | thats the commercial part of it. And yes, thats one reason i would not use EC@ |
| 14:08.16 | zinx | that is a bit silly indeed |
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| 14:09.19 | eugenmayer | debian is by far superior in terms of servers compared to Debian. But also, i dont get why offering 3 linux distros, but no mentioning free/open BSD. Those are def. a choice in some cases |
| 14:09.33 | eugenmayer | s/to Debian/to Ubuntu |
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| 14:10.29 | JordiGH | Debian has BSD! :D |
| 14:11.34 | eugenmayer | NEVER! |
| 14:11.34 | eugenmayer | :D |
| 14:11.37 | sacredchao | Why is wicd-gtk so much better than wicd-qt? |
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| 14:12.05 | JordiGH | sacredchao: Waxing philosophical? |
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| 14:13.42 | piranhaxx | sorry to ask about another distro again, but.. oh well.. have you guys ever tried ArchLinux? What were your feelings compared to Debian experience? |
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| 14:14.29 | mumpitze1 | piranhaxx: please ask such questions in ##linux. this channel is for debian support ONLY |
| 14:14.38 | piranhaxx | mumpitze1: ok, sorry |
| 14:14.51 | drhouse123 | piranhaxx: please #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:16.06 | g00se | petn-randall: You mean the udev warnings? |
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| 14:17.33 | JordiGH | I wonder if I should just run apt-get dist-upgrade in the chroot... |
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| 14:18.05 | JordiGH | And see if a newer kernel can fix my unbootability of my current squeeze/wheezy Frankenstein setup. |
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| 14:18.46 | JordiGH | Good idea or not? |
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| 14:19.08 | KRob3 | Ok, trying again, is there any chance anyone here now knows if there is a way to recover anything from an accidentally reformatted btrfs partition? Foremost and photorec seem like they will recover some files, but without names or any hint of a directory structure. Anything that might recover anything with a file name or even partial directory structure would be very helpful. |
| 14:19.14 | mumpitze1 | JordiGH: get a new kernel via dpkg -i instead. don't apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:19.36 | mumpitze1 | and it can't hurt to have another kernel installed and tried |
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| 14:20.17 | g00se | petn-randall: (sorry i took so long to respond - i got suddenly busy) |
| 14:20.17 | JordiGH | mumpitze1: Won't I need wheezy libc6 to run a wheezy linux? |
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| 14:23.19 | jelly | JordiGH: it's nonworking already. Yeah, you could finish the upgrade using the chroot, sure. |
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| 14:23.45 | petn-randall | KRob3: I'd say you're out of luck. Now that it happened, you're probably in a good set of mind to think about backups. Try #btrfs, maybe they can help you a bit, but I'm quite sure you won't be able to recover anything more than with photorec/foremost/etc. |
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| 14:24.33 | petn-randall | JordiGH: I'd also finish up the dist-upgrade in the chroot before carrying on. |
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| 14:24.44 | jhutchins_wk | KRob3: Your only real resource is backups. If you don't have backups... |
| 14:25.18 | oo_miguel | i want to change /bin/sh to point to bash instead of dash? should I simply change this as root, or is there some mechanism that manages such things (alternatives) for me? like update-alternatives? |
| 14:25.42 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: You might want to start mentally preparing for a clean install. |
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| 14:25.59 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: You want to do that because scripts run too fast for you? |
| 14:26.01 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: Oh, boy. Gotta figure out how to backup /home first. |
| 14:26.19 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: Which you should do anyway. |
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| 14:26.27 | oo_miguel | petn-randall: I want to do it because this is a host system requirement for LFS |
| 14:26.33 | somedude | i just saw that debian 7 doesn't need external codec packs for media? how did that work out? |
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| 14:29.10 | mumpitze1 | JordiGH: a kernel doesn't need a libc6. Last time I tried. the 3.8 kernel worked fine with wheezy without any other dependencies |
| 14:30.27 | g00se | petn-randall: The messages are this kind of thing: May 23 15:28:00 hpbrio udevd[3648]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules:24 |
| 14:31.36 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I should.... but... the effective uptime! |
| 14:31.57 | JordiGH | This laptop has had Debian without reinstall for 6 years. Reinstalling seems so.... Windows... |
| 14:32.11 | JordiGH | You want to break my 6-year effective uptime, jhutchins_wk? |
| 14:32.53 | g00se | petn-randall: iirc that could have been the fallout of a dist upgrade |
| 14:33.08 | KRob3 | What is the best file recovery tool for something like this? PhotoRec looks like it recognizes and recovers a lot more file types than foremost. |
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| 14:34.02 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: I believe you said it wasn't booting now, so uptime is no longer an issue. |
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| 14:34.22 | steliosre | can anyone help me with wildcards? |
| 14:34.49 | steliosre | i want to print memo files |
| 14:34.54 | steliosre | from 3 to 20 |
| 14:35.00 | steliosre | memo from 3 to 20 |
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| 14:36.49 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: Effective uptime! Debian running without a reinstall. Not power-cycle uptime. |
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| 14:37.42 | arvind_khadri | Hi, why can't I see en_IN.UTF-8 in wheezy? |
| 14:38.19 | mikelo | hi i encrypted a password with my public key from seahorse |
| 14:38.37 | mikelo | how do i decrypt it? (searched google already) |
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| 14:39.52 | mns | I've got some processes that are running (xfce4-session and gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor) which dont seem to be exiting. I've tried kill -9 as root and that had no effect either. Any other way to get rid of them besides restarting the system, which I do not want to do. |
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| 14:40.30 | LtL | mikelo: can you find the file in a terminal? just gpg <filename.gpg> hit enter, give it a passphrase and that's it |
| 14:40.35 | jhutchins_wk | mikelo: What's seahorse? |
| 14:41.16 | mumpitze1 | mns: stop X |
| 14:41.17 | LtL | jhutchins_wk: it's a crappy keyring thing, it's in gnome and possibly others |
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| 14:41.28 | themill | jhutchins_wk: apt-cache search seahorse |
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| 14:42.13 | blackshirt | hello |
| 14:42.24 | mikelo | LtL, tnx |
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| 14:42.37 | blackshirt | is wheezy installer support to boot from btrfs partition ? |
| 14:42.44 | LtL | mikelo: welcome |
| 14:42.45 | Gotiniens | inspircd on wheezy always want to create an pid file called "data/inspircd.pid". Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this an extremly stupid bug that somehow got slipped through? |
| 14:43.00 | mns | mumpitze1: I exited out of the xfce session and am back at the xdm login screen. For some reason the processes did not exit properly. |
| 14:43.24 | mumpitze1 | mns: what's its parent process (pstree) |
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| 14:43.49 | mumpitze1 | mns: /etc/init.d/xdm stop or such |
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| 14:46.22 | mns | mumpitze1: yeah I did that. still nothing. doesn't help in killing the processes. |
| 14:46.39 | mumpitze1 | again: who's the parent? |
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| 14:47.11 | petn-randall | mns: They can only be there if they've got a file descriptor open to something that's not accessible anymore. |
| 14:47.26 | petn-randall | mns: Unavailable USB disk / NFS maybe? |
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| 14:49.02 | mns | mumpitze1: pstree only gives back the proces itself when given the pid |
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| 14:49.30 | mumpitze1 | !zombie |
| 14:49.30 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 14:49.48 | mns | petn-randall: yes doing an lsof shows they're trying to access an external drive that I think has gone offline. |
| 14:50.15 | mumpitze1 | mns: and the proper way to call pstree is NOT to give it a pid. but to simply run it |
| 14:50.24 | SirPent_ | LtL, cant find my private key :( |
| 14:50.48 | mns | petn-randall: I wanted to unmoun the drive but it came up as "busy" which led me to those processes as the ones accessing it. |
| 14:51.00 | KRob3 | Hmm, photorec wants to know whether it is working on an ext2/3/4 filesystem or other... is btrfs similar enough to treat it like ext2/3/4, or should it be other (FAT/NTFS/HFS+/ReiserFS/...)? |
| 14:51.15 | petn-randall | KRob3: other |
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| 14:51.52 | KRob3 | ok |
| 14:51.58 | mns | mumpitze1: running pstree without any arguments, shows the parent to be init, |
| 14:52.12 | petn-randall | g00se: Those warnings just mean you need to fix them up sometime, nothing critical. |
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| 14:53.29 | KRob3 | Wow, this is going to be a lot to sort through... it has already found tens of thousands of files and says it will take 6hrs to complete... |
| 14:53.36 | LtL | SirPent_: it should be in ~/.gnupg |
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| 14:54.59 | vl4kn0 | Hi, I'm trying to install flashplugin-nonfree but it gives me error: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.adm64.php.asc. Because of that the plugin does not work. At least iceweasel does not detect it. What to do? |
| 14:55.35 | LtL | vl4kn0: why wget, it's in the non-free repo iirc |
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| 14:55.57 | SirPent_ | LtL, I only have thse files in it: pubring.gpg secring.gpg trustdb.gpg |
| 14:56.18 | zykotick9 | LtL: flashplugin-nonfree is actually in contrib repo. vl4kn0 |
| 14:56.50 | LtL | SirPent_: thats all you need, gpg should work anywhere provided those exist. try gpg --list-keys |
| 14:56.50 | vl4kn0 | zykotick9: I'm not following |
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| 14:57.09 | LtL | zykotick9: thanks man |
| 14:57.27 | zykotick9 | vl4kn0: if you have the contrib repo enabled, you can use apt-get/aptitude to install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:58.35 | vl4kn0 | zykotick9: well, I can do that now, it even downloads the packages and everything. It only fails to download the pgp key which I suspect is needed for verification, so the installation fails |
| 14:59.01 | themill | vl4kn0: which version of flashplugin-nonfree are you using here? |
| 14:59.20 | vl4kn0 | themill: it would be 3.2 |
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| 14:59.59 | SirPent_ | LtL, the ket is there... but when i run gpg -d filename it says "secret key not available" |
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| 15:01.35 | LtL | SirPent_: not sure what the `-d` does, to encrypt use gpg -e file then it will ask what key to encrypt to, i type in my first name as --list-keys shows or the key id |
| 15:01.38 | petn-randall | SirPent_: you want gpg --list-secret-keys |
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| 15:03.24 | LtL | petn-randall: forgot that one, thanks |
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| 15:03.55 | themill | vl4kn0: can you please pastebin the entire error? |
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| 15:05.00 | vl4kn0 | themill: that is the entire error |
| 15:05.21 | themill | I doubt it has that many typos in it though |
| 15:05.45 | vl4kn0 | themill: fair enough, I'll paste entire output from apt |
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| 15:05.52 | arvind_khadri | babilen, hi, I have not yet been able to fix switching ttys :) I am using drivers from debian repo |
| 15:05.54 | mumpitze1 | vl4kn0: pastebin the full output of the apt-get command |
| 15:05.58 | LtL | SirPent_: to decrypt just gpg file should work. |
| 15:06.02 | themill | (and if I correct your typos, it works fine) |
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| 15:06.37 | vl4kn0 | themill: mumpitzel: http://pastebin.com/tnLwnEcD |
| 15:06.51 | themill | pastebin.com :( |
| 15:06.51 | mumpitze1 | !pastebin |
| 15:06.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:08.02 | themill | vl4kn0: do you need an http proxy set on that machine? there's nothing wrong with that URL |
| 15:08.40 | mumpitze1 | vl4kn0: try to download the file with wget manually from your location. see if there is an error if any |
| 15:08.49 | vl4kn0 | themill: I don't think I do, at least I've never set up one |
| 15:08.52 | vl4kn0 | mumpitze1: will do |
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| 15:09.38 | vl4kn0 | mumpitze1: downloaded successfully |
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| 15:12.19 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Sorry, busy with something else now. Would you mind asking the channel? |
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| 15:12.42 | arvind_khadri | babilen, sure, sorry if you found me pinging you directly rude :) |
| 15:12.47 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Also tell them which driver you use now (nvidia?) and if you tried the 319 version in experimental ... |
| 15:13.03 | mumpitze1 | vl4kn0: last ditch: edit the config scripts for the package :( |
| 15:13.16 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Not really rude, but it is typically preferred to ask the channel after a day or so ;) |
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| 15:14.00 | apm1 | arvind_khadri, did you try installing the proprietary driver with smxi ? |
| 15:14.24 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I have a lenovo laptop with two cards. I have used bumblebee and the proprietary drivers. I have a problem with switch tty. |
| 15:14.41 | arvind_khadri | apm1, no I installed it using the script that nvidia gave me |
| 15:15.11 | apm1 | arvind_khadri, thats bad , since nvidia's .run hardly works out |
| 15:15.37 | apm1 | arvind_khadri, whats the exact laptop and GPU in it |
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| 15:16.16 | arvind_khadri | apm1, lenovo thinkpad e430, I do not know the versions of the cards |
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| 15:16.46 | apm1 | arvind_khadri, for finding out the GPU's model run "lspci" |
| 15:16.55 | apm1 | and pastebin the output |
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| 15:17.17 | apm1 | in fact grep the vga adapter's line alone if you know how to |
| 15:17.25 | mumpitze1 | arvind_khadri: lspci -nn |
| 15:17.30 | arvind_khadri | apm1, yes |
| 15:18.49 | babilen | arvind_khadri: What? I told you to install the Debian drivers as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" not to use that bug-ridden, horror .run provided by nvidia.com |
| 15:19.19 | vl4kn0 | themill: mumpitze1: running update-flashplugin-nonfree --install fixed it for me |
| 15:19.20 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I tried that too :( but all fail |
| 15:19.40 | arvind_khadri | apm1, http://paste.debian.net/6032 |
| 15:19.40 | apm1 | arvind_khadri, you need to google "smxi" pronto |
| 15:19.40 | vl4kn0 | themill: mumpitzel: thanks for your help |
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| 15:19.57 | themill | no worries! have fun |
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| 15:21.21 | arvind_khadri | Is really moving to a different OS, the solution? |
| 15:21.55 | apm1 | arvind_khadri, no just use the smxi scripts dammit |
| 15:22.01 | mumpitze1 | apm1: I really like their site which doesn't even tell what these fabulous scripts do |
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| 15:22.12 | apm1 | mumpitze1, lol |
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| 15:22.37 | mumpitze1 | apm1: using shitty magical third party scripts is not the solution, no matter the problem |
| 15:22.51 | arvind_khadri | mumpitze1, +1 |
| 15:22.58 | apm1 | if smxi is shit |
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| 15:23.01 | babilen | apm1: We typically recommend to use Debian packages and the solutions supported by us in here and don't ask users to run semi-random third-party scripts. |
| 15:23.47 | apm1 | babilen, i know , but good luck getting his card to work that way :/ |
| 15:24.00 | apm1 | i had my say , as you were gents |
| 15:24.16 | babilen | If you don't know how to configure optimus graphic cards on wheezy then just remain silent until you do. My recommendation was to backport bumblebee from sid (along with bumblebee-nvidia) and to install the nvidia driver with the method detailed in <nvidia dkms> |
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| 15:24.41 | babilen | apm1: So, what does the script do that is missing in the Debian way? |
| 15:24.59 | mumpitze1 | apm1: so what does smxi do? from the looks of it it's some aptosid breadslicer |
| 15:25.34 | mumpitze1 | the options are fun: "-K Advanced Kernel Install. If newer test kernels are available, they will show in the kernel install options. Install advanced kernels at your own risk!" |
| 15:25.40 | apm1 | babilen, umm , it fetches the newest drivers and builds the modules the debian way with every kernel or driver update |
| 15:25.42 | mumpitze1 | "-I Sets different Init level for X restart. Requires this syntax: -I 3" |
| 15:25.45 | piranhaxx | what is the best way to install firefox on debian, is it by downloading tar.gz and creating links, or is it by adding sources in apt/sources.list and install package? |
| 15:26.05 | mumpitze1 | piranhaxx: it's by installing iceweasel. see mozilla.debian.net |
| 15:26.07 | arvind_khadri | piranhaxx, iceweasel is firefox without the branding |
| 15:26.17 | babilen | piranhaxx: Debian comes with Iceweasel and you should simply install that. See http://mozilla.debian.net if you require newer versions than the one in whatever version of Debian you use. |
| 15:26.19 | arvind_khadri | piranhaxx, checkout mozilla.debian.net |
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| 15:26.53 | piranhaxx | don't you guys have issues with videos using iceweasel VS firefox? |
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| 15:27.09 | themill | piranhaxx: no |
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| 15:27.42 | mumpitze1 | themill: we soon might. h264 support is coming :( |
| 15:27.43 | c0mrade__ | Why can't I use the make command? sudo make |
| 15:27.51 | mumpitze1 | !tell c0mrade__ about errors |
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| 15:27.58 | piranhaxx | cuz sometimes my iceweasel would not connect .. for instance i try to reach twitch.tv and nothing is displayed (i have flashplugin installed) |
| 15:28.04 | mumpitze1 | c0mrade__: and install build-essential if you haven't done already |
| 15:29.23 | themill | mumpitze1: avplay -h | grep -A3 264 |
| 15:30.46 | mayhew | piranhaxx: does Flash work on YouTube? |
| 15:31.26 | piranhaxx | mayhew: i do believe so |
| 15:31.56 | piranhaxx | mozilla.debian.net is interesting, thx guys! |
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| 15:32.46 | mayhew | piranhaxx: if all else fails, it could have something to do with Twitch not supporting Flash 11.2. Google Chrome has an up to date flash if it's neccessary. |
| 15:32.48 | piranhaxx | so there is actually no gain in using firefox on debian rather than iceweasel? |
| 15:33.11 | mumpitze1 | I can't think of any |
| 15:33.12 | piranhaxx | mayhew: maybe yes, thx! |
| 15:33.20 | piranhaxx | ok |
| 15:33.21 | mayhew | piranhaxx: Iceweasel would run better on Debian since it uses more system libraries |
| 15:34.09 | piranhaxx | mayhew: add ons are all available ? |
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| 15:35.06 | mayhew | Yeah, addons.mozilla.org should work fine with Iceweasel. |
| 15:35.15 | piranhaxx | cool, thx! |
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| 15:37.46 | c0mrade__ | How can I download and then install make? |
| 15:37.52 | c0mrade__ | 'make' |
| 15:38.21 | apm1 | c0mrade__, apt-get install build-essentials |
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| 15:38.27 | cerettala_laptop | I am trying to do a wheezy netinstall right now, and I keep getting an error message stating that every mirror I try doesn't support wheezy... |
| 15:38.27 | apm1 | *build-essential |
| 15:38.38 | cerettala_laptop | I've verified I have a link and that DNS is working |
| 15:38.46 | cerettala_laptop | I can definitely communicate with the repo I am trying to use |
| 15:39.43 | c0mrade__ | apm1: It's asking me to insert the DVD. But I am using debian inside a Virtual Machine and that VM is running via a .iso image file. |
| 15:39.55 | c0mrade__ | Can I download build-essential from the internet? |
| 15:40.16 | apm1 | c0mrade__, you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list first |
| 15:40.52 | c0mrade__ | And what should I put there? |
| 15:41.14 | apm1 | the repo addresses you will pull the packages from |
| 15:41.20 | mayhew | c0mrade__: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 15:43.15 | [gnubie] | i am getting an error on my exim4 logs => R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=27159: host gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com [74.125.25.108]: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 qb1sm12133618pbb.33 - gsmtp |
| 15:43.26 | c0mrade__ | mayhew: Looks like I need to fill a ton of fields there just to accomplish what I want. |
| 15:43.42 | cerettala_laptop | Looks like the installer is trying to run the command "wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release -0 - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):'" which returns no output on another system when I run it |
| 15:43.42 | [gnubie] | i am on debian wheezy i386 trying to setup smart host to gmail. |
| 15:44.00 | mayhew | c0mrade__: are you running Wheezy? |
| 15:44.04 | c0mrade__ | Yes. |
| 15:44.10 | mayhew | I'll pastebin my sources.list for you |
| 15:44.22 | c0mrade__ | 7.0.0 wheezy official i386 bla bla |
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| 15:45.02 | mayhew | http://paste.debian.net/6037/ |
| 15:45.04 | [gnubie] | anyone can help me here on exim4 to work as a smart host? |
| 15:45.10 | mumpitze1 | c0mrade__: I told you. build-essential |
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| 15:46.31 | c0mrade__ | mumpitze1: apt-get install build-essential is asking me for the DVD. I downloaded debain .iso image and created a VM from it so I don't have a DVD just an .iso image file. And I don't have a blank DVD now to burn it. So my only option is to download it. |
| 15:46.52 | mumpitze1 | [gnubie]: you need to make exim work WITH a smart host, not make exim work AS a smarthost |
| 15:47.00 | mumpitze1 | !tell c0mrade__ about sources.list |
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| 15:47.14 | mumpitze1 | c0mrade__: then fix your sources.list as dpkg just told you. and remove the "cdrom" entries |
| 15:47.16 | zykotick9 | c0mrade__: comment out the CD/DVD from your /etc/apt/sources.list file, and it will download everything afterwards |
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| 15:57.11 | AJA | Was hoping to pick someone brain as to why When ever I launch my IRC client on my mac, my Debian server fan spin up high. Both are on the local network, the mac is on wifi, the Debian server is connected via ethernet. top does not show anything that's using high CPU. Strange, any advice on where I should be looking? |
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| 15:59.17 | mumpitze1 | is the irc client connecting in any way to your debian? |
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| 16:01.26 | [gnubie] | hello..? |
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| 16:02.26 | c0mrade__ | E: Unable to locate package build-essential after typing apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 16:03.13 | c0mrade__ | Modified sources.list as been told. |
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| 16:04.55 | theothertom | c0mrade__: you might need to run apt-get update |
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| 16:05.23 | theothertom | (also, I could be wrong. didn't read all the scrollback) |
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| 16:07.08 | c0mrade__ | theothertom: Okay, I issued that command and waiting for it to stop. |
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| 16:14.59 | AJA | mumpitze1: I don't have a proxy setup for the IRC client, I have it using SSL over port 6697. My hunch is that either my router is trying to send the traffic to the Debian box or the Debian box is running a service that is listening for the traffic. |
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| 16:15.06 | jhutchins_wk | c0mrade__: You would be able to mount the iso as a DVD accessible to the VM. |
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| 16:16.03 | mumpitze1 | AJA: where is the proxy running? |
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| 16:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | AJA: Do you have any other services on the Debian server that the mac is using? Possibly a file share? |
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| 16:16.50 | Mike3620 | is their a command to see what processes are using bandwidth ... I got a bandwidth hog I need to kill. |
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| 16:18.11 | AJA | mumpitze1: Sorry, correction, No proxy at all. Thee only customized settings on my IRC client is it's using SSL. |
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| 16:21.09 | AJA | jhutchins_wk: Yes, the router sends all external ssh, http, https traffic to the Debian box. |
| 16:21.11 | AJA | Here is a similar screen shot to my settings that has me wondering. |
| 16:21.11 | AJA | http://wifibaby.net/tech-support/guidesresources/1250-2/screen-shot-2013-05-21-at-11-36-46-pm/ |
| 16:21.11 | AJA | Why Private TCP ports? |
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| 16:24.04 | AJA | I got kicked off for posting that link. back |
| 16:24.48 | babilen | AJA: No, you got kicked for flooding the channel -- You sent for messages at 17:21:10 BST |
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| 16:25.56 | bin_bash | hello. I just got a debian dedicated server, and I added my own user (useradd -m) and when I ssh in with that user it takes me to a sh prompt rather than a bash prompt |
| 16:26.00 | bin_bash | how can i fix that? |
| 16:26.06 | abrotman | bin_bash: chsh |
| 16:26.10 | SomeoneWeird | is it possible to upgrade the kernel to 3.10? can I just configure/compile and then upgrade grub? |
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| 16:26.31 | mumpitze1 | SomeoneWeird: you can. might need to upgrade initramfs-tools |
| 16:26.32 | SomeoneWeird | er, update grub* |
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| 16:26.43 | bin_bash | thanks, abrotman |
| 16:26.46 | bin_bash | never had that problem before |
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| 16:26.58 | abrotman | bin_bash: alternately, edit your /etc/profile |
| 16:27.03 | bin_bash | thanks |
| 16:27.06 | abrotman | bin_bash: uh .. /etc/passwd .. not profile |
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| 16:27.32 | SomeoneWeird | mumpitze1, and how would I go about doing that? |
| 16:27.34 | mumpitze1 | bin_bash: use adduser in the future |
| 16:27.46 | bin_bash | mumpitze1, oh? |
| 16:27.58 | bin_bash | I've always used useradd -m prevuiousky |
| 16:27.59 | abrotman | yes .. adduser is far better than useradd for simple tasks |
| 16:28.06 | bin_bash | okay |
| 16:28.08 | bin_bash | til. |
| 16:28.14 | SomeoneWeird | oh, update-initramfs, nvm :) |
| 16:28.18 | mumpitze1 | SomeoneWeird: you download the kernel, configure it and run make deb-pkg This gives you a shiny .deb which you can install |
| 16:28.28 | SomeoneWeird | yep |
| 16:28.36 | SomeoneWeird | I ment the initramfs bit :) |
| 16:29.00 | mumpitze1 | debian 3.9 kernels needed a upgraded initramfs-tools for some reason I don't know about. so 3.10 might need it, possibly |
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| 16:29.14 | bin_bash | how can I get visudo to open with vim? |
| 16:29.16 | mumpitze1 | or I might be completely wrong or you simply don't use initrd |
| 16:29.17 | SomeoneWeird | ok cool, thanks :) |
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| 16:30.19 | mullein | bin_bash: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim; visudo |
| 16:30.33 | bin_bash | thanks |
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| 16:33.18 | abrotman | bin_bash: also, update-alternatives |
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| 16:35.44 | abrotman | bin_bash: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 16:36.13 | bin_bash | ah |
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| 16:46.10 | Ritzton | Hello |
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| 16:50.08 | Ritzton | I have just set up my debian server and now I want to use Redis with my node.js app I have read here http://redis.io/ and https://github.com/techpines/express.io/tree/master/examples/sessions-redis but I dont understand how it works for security and my debian users, if I insert data inside the db, will all users on my os be able to access it ? How does that work ? |
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| 16:51.26 | ksk | Ritzton: in genral you want a standalone user for every service/daemon you run on your machine |
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| 16:51.54 | ksk | so only this use should have access (via filesystem - if theres sth like a redis-cli thats something t hat has not much to do with linux/debian) |
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| 16:52.03 | ksk | s/use/user/ |
| 16:53.25 | mrbean | Hi, I upgraded 6 to 7 with apt-get upgrade THEN dist-upgrade. aptitude says I have partially configured packets, what can I do? |
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| 16:53.57 | mumpitze1 | paste the actual output in a pastebin |
| 16:54.59 | Ritzton | ksk> so it means only the user who starts the redis server will have acces to the database ? |
| 16:55.24 | mayhew | Ritzton: http://redis.io/topics/security - look under the Authentication feature section |
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| 16:56.41 | abrotman | mrbean: dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:56.42 | mrbean | Here aptitude: http://pastebin.com/R3Bdx57w |
| 16:56.49 | Ritzton | mayhew> so the answer to my question is "yes" ? if I just set up the server with the default config, all users will have access to the database ? |
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| 16:57.12 | mrbean | abrotman can I try configure with just one package or it will try to do it all at once? |
| 16:57.31 | mayhew | Ritzton: correct, on that page I linked you it says "Redis is designed to be accessed by trusted clients inside trusted environments." |
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| 16:58.08 | mayhew | Without a password, any user on the Debian machine would be able to connect and issue commands. |
| 16:58.15 | mrbean | Every time I try aptitude it insists in fixing all the packages, and it doesn't due to LSB errors. |
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| 16:59.10 | Ritzton | mayhew> thank you for your answer, that's is what I was thinking.... which is quiet bad.... I dont even know why they didnt make a login system... |
| 16:59.22 | mrbean | And this is apt: http://pastebin.com/pnPZeWGL |
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| 17:00.04 | abrotman | !tell mrbean about localized errors |
| 17:00.07 | ksk | Ritzton: id guess because of performance ;) |
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| 17:01.40 | truexfan81 | my sound system is not working on wheezy |
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| 17:02.01 | truexfan81 | i have tried mpv player and vlc, both give similar errors |
| 17:02.06 | mrbean | oh sure, sorry. |
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| 17:03.39 | truexfan81 | http://paste.debian.net/6056/ |
| 17:03.39 | mtn | truexfan81: have you tried out alsamixer? |
| 17:03.41 | mrbean | English: http://pastebin.com/2bhnhh3k. |
| 17:04.10 | abrotman | mrbean: full output from "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 17:04.25 | abrotman | in english please :) |
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| 17:05.51 | truexfan81 | anyone? |
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| 17:06.04 | mtn | truexfan81: I asked you a question :P |
| 17:06.20 | truexfan81 | mtn: and i responded with a link |
| 17:06.40 | truexfan81 | adjusting alsamixer makes no difference on the error |
| 17:06.55 | mtn | truexfan81: how is that alsamixer? did you try changing device in alsamixer? |
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| 17:07.44 | mayhew | truexfan81: was sound working before? Are you running a default Wheezy GNOME desktop? |
| 17:08.13 | mrbean | abrotman English http://pastebin.com/qLyBX0kA |
| 17:08.54 | abrotman | truexfan81: OSScompat modules loaded? |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mrbean about lsb tags |
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| 17:11.03 | mrbean | abrotman Should I add LSB headers to all files in init.d ? |
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| 17:12.26 | mrbean | to all the files the output says. |
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| 17:13.28 | abrotman | mrbean: try to configure pidentd and the nfs server and see if you canget better errors |
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| 17:14.03 | mrbean | ok |
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| 17:14.31 | truexfan81 | i'm back |
| 17:14.47 | mrbean | pident has the headers but no defaults for start / stop |
| 17:14.55 | truexfan81 | mtn: changing default sound card in alsamixer makes 0 difference |
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| 17:15.41 | Arthic | hey |
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| 17:15.59 | mtn | truexfan81: there was another suggestion about OSScompat moudules. did you see it? |
| 17:16.12 | Arthic | i need help, is there anything i should know before installing debian with grub2 with efi mod ? |
| 17:16.35 | truexfan81 | yes, just did a aptitude search i alsaplayer-oss - PCM player designed for ALSA (OSS output m |
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| 17:17.48 | curfont | Cassandra config is broken by default because of 127.0.1.1 |
| 17:17.49 | curfont | :P |
| 17:19.07 | abrotman | truexfan81: do you have the OSS compat mocules loaded ? |
| 17:19.09 | abrotman | modules |
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| 17:19.55 | truexfan81 | abrotman: by that do you mean alsaplayer-oss ? |
| 17:21.35 | mrbean | I added the default values from the LSB wiki to nfs-common, it looks better now. |
| 17:21.49 | mrbean | Thank you abrotman bye |
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| 17:22.32 | abrotman | mrbean: all fixed? |
| 17:22.39 | abrotman | mrbean: make sure you get fully upgraded |
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| 17:23.25 | mrbean | all looks ok, I'll try an aptitude upgrade later. |
| 17:23.31 | abrotman | full-upgrade? |
| 17:23.40 | abrotman | truexfan81: snd-pcm-oss, etc |
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| 17:23.45 | abrotman | or whatever they're called |
| 17:24.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell truexfan81 about devdsp |
| 17:24.24 | truexfan81 | ,v snd-pcm |
| 17:24.25 | judd | No package named 'snd-pcm' was found in i386. |
| 17:24.28 | mrbean | abrotman should I try full-upgrade or just upgrade? |
| 17:24.30 | truexfan81 | abrotman: ^ |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | it's a module, not a package |
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| 17:25.42 | mrbean | Is there a list of leftovers from Squeeze and Lenny somewhere? This server began life as ETCH. |
| 17:26.01 | abrotman | mrbean: leftovers? |
| 17:26.08 | truexfan81 | abrotman: also i'm not sure why its trying to use pcm, when it should be trying to bitstream |
| 17:26.24 | abrotman | truexfan81: i'm giving you the solution to the error ... |
| 17:26.37 | truexfan81 | i know, working on it |
| 17:26.42 | mrbean | yes, files " Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted " |
| 17:26.48 | truexfan81 | i just installed oss-compat |
| 17:27.00 | abrotman | mrbean: there's a package called 'cruft' you might be interested in |
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| 17:28.06 | mrbean | abrotman I might try it, thank you for your help. Bye. |
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| 17:28.37 | truexfan81 | abrotman: i followed the bot's instructions, did the modprobe, and added the line to the /etc/modules file, error remains |
| 17:29.04 | truexfan81 | altho now i actually have a new error |
| 17:29.05 | Trae32566-NE | uh... |
| 17:29.21 | Trae32566-NE | is debian-next invite only?\ |
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| 17:29.48 | truexfan81 | abrotman: this is what i am seeing now http://paste.debian.net/6062/ |
| 17:30.00 | mtn | Trae32566-NE: it is on oftc.net |
| 17:30.21 | Trae32566-NE | oh...it's on irc.oftc.net <.< well, the freenode one banned me |
| 17:31.09 | abrotman | no, it doesn't exist here |
| 17:31.12 | Jeudi | Is there a recommended channel for ext2/3/4 questions? |
| 17:31.31 | abrotman | truexfan81: that's the same error .. |
| 17:31.46 | truexfan81 | oh, well the fix didn't fix it then |
| 17:32.08 | abrotman | is the module loaded? does the device exist? |
| 17:32.26 | truexfan81 | abrotman: how can i check? |
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| 17:34.18 | truexfan81 | i wonder if alsa is trying to use the hdmi audio from my gpu, i wish there was a way to disable that by default, would make this a lot less confusing to setup |
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| 17:37.17 | truexfan81 | ping |
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| 17:37.31 | c0mrade__ | After installing apr-1.4.6 (configure, make, make install) then I extracted apr-util-1.4.1 and typed ./configure --with-apr=/usr/local/apr I got an error. |
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| 17:38.06 | c0mrade__ | pastebin.com/LxLb60Qm |
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| 17:40.17 | truexfan81 | abrotman: i'm about ready to give up on alsa, does oss support spdif bitstreaming? |
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| 17:40.32 | abrotman | truexfan81: NFC, i use alsa, works fine for me |
| 17:40.47 | abrotman | truexfan81: how many cards are listed in /proc/alsa/acards or wahtever it is |
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| 17:40.54 | truexfan81 | abrotman: 2 |
| 17:41.06 | truexfan81 | the gpu hdmi audio and my sound card |
| 17:41.22 | c0mrade__ | What's APR anyway. |
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| 17:42.02 | abrotman | apache portable runtime |
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| 17:42.12 | c0mrade__ | Oh. |
| 17:42.20 | truexfan81 | oh wait |
| 17:42.23 | c0mrade__ | I need it then. |
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| 17:42.33 | truexfan81 | abrotman: i just did nano /proc/alsa/acards says new file |
| 17:42.42 | c0mrade__ | I want to compile Apache from source. |
| 17:43.11 | msn | i am trying to use Qutecom as my sip client and I even tried linphone for SIP. in both cases it registers with my sip service but when i try to use a phone number it attaaches the sip domain behind it to dial and ofcourse fails |
| 17:43.24 | truexfan81 | abrotman: cd /proc/alsa/ |
| 17:43.25 | truexfan81 | bash: cd: /proc/alsa/: No such file or directory |
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| 17:43.40 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 17:43.58 | abrotman | truexfan81: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 17:44.56 | msn | also i got rid of alsa in favor of oss dont know which one is better since neither of them got the sound to work |
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| 17:45.44 | truexfan81 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/6067/ |
| 17:45.48 | abrotman | i've been using pulse+alsa, been working fine |
| 17:45.57 | truexfan81 | card 1 is the one i need it to use |
| 17:46.11 | abrotman | you may need to configure it to always use that one |
| 17:46.37 | truexfan81 | i thought i had done that, apparently it didn't work |
| 17:46.53 | JordiGH | So, I had an idea. |
| 17:47.08 | JordiGH | Perhaps some LVM packages got upgraded and that's why my initrd is messed up? |
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| 17:48.40 | Ritzton | what do you use when you want to make a daemon be started by a system user ? I am trying to use su but it doesnt work |
| 17:49.11 | ChibaPet | Ritzton: IF it's got an init.d script, I say "sudo service <service> start". |
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| 17:49.36 | ChibaPet | ...or "sudo service <service> restart", etc. |
| 17:49.44 | truexfan81 | abrotman: where is the alsa config file located in debian? google is not finding that answer for me |
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| 17:50.24 | abrotman | truexfan81: you might do better to ask #alsa .. i rarely have to muck with internals |
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| 17:51.05 | ChibaPet | truexfan81: dpkg -L alsa-base shows /etc/default/alsa-base.conf and a config in modprobe.d, here. |
| 17:51.48 | truexfan81 | ChibaPet: nano says new file |
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| 17:52.13 | truexfan81 | not sure why tho, i was able to tab-complete the file name |
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| 17:53.21 | pkkm | is it advisable for former wheezy users who want a quite stable but not outdated system to upgrade to jessie, or would it be better to wait a bit longer? |
| 17:53.38 | pkkm | s/former// |
| 17:54.19 | ChibaPet | pkkm: Testing during the freeze is going to be more stable than testing normally. The notion of "outdated" might want to be examined more here. |
| 17:54.26 | abrotman | pkkm: wait a bit longer |
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| 17:54.49 | abrotman | pkkm: unless you have something you really want to get from jessie, stick with wheezy for now |
| 17:55.11 | pkkm | abrotman: how long would you recommend to wait? |
| 17:55.20 | abrotman | pkkm: until you want something from jessie :) |
| 17:55.31 | pkkm | ok, thanks :) |
| 17:55.37 | abrotman | pkkm: be it 3.8.x kernel or gnome3.8 or whatever the new KDE is .. something like that |
| 17:55.44 | ChibaPet | pkkm: Consider a new definition for "outdated" that means "no longer does what I need". |
| 17:56.20 | pkkm | ChibaPet: good point. |
| 17:56.31 | brontosaurusrex | so, if i roll-up to jessie, i should probably remove all waldorf repos, right? |
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| 17:56.47 | pkkm | presently I'm compiling a few things from source to have newer versions, I'll look if jessie has them. |
| 17:56.49 | truexfan81 | abrotman: i found it, /etc/asound.conf |
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| 17:56.50 | ChibaPet | !frankendebian |
| 17:56.50 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 17:56.51 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: waldorf ? |
| 17:57.01 | brontosaurusrex | wrong channel abrotman |
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| 17:57.08 | scshunt | hey all |
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| 17:57.33 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: ah, yes .. certainly is :) |
| 17:57.40 | Trae32566-NE | pkkm, I wouldn't recommend moving to it yet |
| 17:57.40 | truexfan81 | abrotman: the alsa config file contains this http://paste.debian.net/6068/ |
| 17:57.44 | scshunt | hey all |
| 17:57.44 | ChibaPet | pkkm: You can also look at taking the source packages from Jessie and seeing if they build for you on Wheezy. That can save some effort. |
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| 17:57.52 | scshunt | is there any way to see the default version of a configuration file? |
| 17:57.54 | brontosaurusrex | any good experience with lightworks beta anyone? |
| 17:58.00 | scshunt | I need to compare my current one with the original one |
| 17:58.04 | Trae32566-NE | I moved my personal testing web server to jessie for shits and giggles |
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| 17:58.13 | Trae32566-NE | nothing except byobu has broken (so far) |
| 17:58.15 | abrotman | !tell scshunt about confnew |
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| 17:58.56 | Ritzton | ChibaPet> sudo command doesnt work on my debian server, it is said command not found but when I am doing apt-get install sudo, it is not doing anything |
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| 17:59.32 | Trae32566-NE | keep in mind though, my web server has 158 packages..so the chances of it breaking are significantly less :P |
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| 17:59.59 | ChibaPet | Ritzton: Hm, maybe you need the full pathname. Try "sudo /usr/sbin/service <servicename> start" instead. I keep /usr/sbin in my normal path, but this isn't the default. |
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| 18:00.12 | scshunt | abrotman: thanks, but I just want to compare so that I can make changes on another system with similar file |
| 18:00.28 | scshunt | I don't really want to copy backups, reinstall the original, compare, and then restore the backup |
| 18:00.48 | truexfan81 | abrotman: #alsa is a ghost town, can't get help there |
| 18:00.57 | abrotman | scshunt: then just grab the packages and take it apart |
| 18:01.09 | abrotman | truexfan81: okay, i won't be much more help :) |
| 18:01.16 | scshunt | abrotman: is there really no better way? |
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| 18:01.42 | Jeudi | cfdisk shows my new journal device with fs=jbd, but fstab and mount don't have this option. Closest is fs=jfs. Is it the same thing? |
| 18:01.52 | truexfan81 | makes me tempted to try a ubuntu netinstall just to see if it has a similar problem or not |
| 18:01.54 | Ritzton | ChibaPet> still not working :-/ but su is working |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | scshunt: i gave you two options |
| 18:02.06 | Ritzton | but I cannot use su for system userr |
| 18:02.18 | scshunt | abrotman: yes, and both are pretty terrible imo |
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| 18:02.30 | scshunt | and both a fair amount of work |
| 18:02.36 | Trae32566-NE | >.> don't bite the hand that feeds |
| 18:02.37 | ChibaPet | Ritzton: Does sudo -l indicate that you should be able to run sudo? |
| 18:02.38 | abrotman | scshunt: it's very easy to grab a package and take it apart |
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| 18:03.17 | ChibaPet | scshunt: If you want to issue a complaint about abrotman, please use the form you got with your paid support contract, and fax it to the included address. |
| 18:03.33 | abrotman | scshunt: grab the package with wget in /tmp/ ; ar x foo.deb ; tar -zxf data.tar.gz |
| 18:03.50 | jhutchins_wk | Ritzton: What do you mean you can not use su for system user? Do you mean for root or for another user? |
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| 18:04.30 | jhutchins_wk | ChibaPet: If it's telling him command not found, that is the default, sudo is not installed. |
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| 18:05.05 | ChibaPet | jhutchins_wk: sudo itself issues a 'command not found' under a couple circumstances. |
| 18:05.31 | Ritzton | jhutchins_wk> I want to start a daemon with a ssytem user and it doesnt work with su but works with sudo |
| 18:05.54 | abrotman | would like to see a pastebin |
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| 18:05.59 | Ritzton | ChibaPet> in fact in the command I was missing the "u" => sudo -u user command |
| 18:07.13 | ChibaPet | Ritzton: ah, not an init.d script then, which would typically take care of running as the correct user itself - the 'service' command might not be as useful to you then. |
| 18:07.23 | Jeudi | How do I mount a device with filesystem type "jbd"? |
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| 18:08.12 | mumpitze1 | Jeudi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_block_device |
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| 18:08.48 | Diranged | How can I create a debian repo with multiple versions of the same package? Reprepro doesn't allow for that .. |
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| 18:09.08 | Jeudi | mumpitze1: I know what it is, I just can't mount it. Mount doesn't have it as an option. |
| 18:09.21 | mumpitze1 | Jeudi: you cannot mount a journal on its own |
| 18:09.34 | mumpitze1 | and it just is a that: a journal. for another filesystem |
| 18:09.35 | abrotman | Diranged: could you enumerate the package versions ? |
| 18:09.45 | abrotman | Diranged: foo1.1 foo1.2? etc? |
| 18:09.55 | Diranged | abrotman: Then apt would let you install foo1.1 and foo1.2.. |
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| 18:10.11 | Diranged | abrotman: without explicitly defining that Foo1.2 replaces Foo1.1 |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | you can make them conflict |
| 18:10.17 | Jeudi | mumpitze1: I know, I just made it. Do you know how to mount it? |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | !tell Diranged about mentors |
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| 18:10.33 | Jeudi | mumpitze1: oh, wait, I just saw your first reply. |
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| 18:11.12 | zeto28 | Ray Dassen has died. Does anyone know of what? TIA. |
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| 18:11.46 | abrotman | zeto28: try #debian-offtopic |
| 18:11.54 | Jeudi | mumpitze1: I'll admit it's the first time I've attempted this. How do I move my journal from the root drive to this external journal if I can't mount it? |
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| 18:12.11 | abrotman | thought so .. |
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| 18:19.23 | petn-randall | Diranged: reprepro allows it, if you put them in different suites. And probably you can deactivate that feature altogether, maybe check the man page. |
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| 18:24.26 | nullby7e | who can send a grug.cf of wheezy? |
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| 18:24.40 | nullby7e | who can send me to pastebin.com a grug.cf of wheezy? |
| 18:24.44 | nullby7e | grub.cfg |
| 18:24.48 | nullby7e | default |
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| 18:25.51 | Ritzton | I am sorry I dont understand :-( http://pastebin.com/6gfwQtwd anybody could help me ? |
| 18:26.30 | abrotman | !tell nullby7e about confnew |
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| 18:28.50 | nullby7e | abrotman: no i don't need that, it's little hard with my options |
| 18:28.51 | JordiGH | Huh, cool. |
| 18:28.59 | JordiGH | The Debian wheezy livecd's tty has a mouse. |
| 18:29.06 | JordiGH | I hadn't seen a tty mouse since MS DOS. |
| 18:29.14 | abrotman | nullby7e: you asked for the default, that's how you get it .. good luck |
| 18:30.02 | Ritzton | http://pastebin.com/6gfwQtwd , I dont understand why it is saying permission denied :-/ |
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| 18:31.56 | JC_SoCal | what is the proper term for what I am doing? I have an old version of linux ... I download the Ubuntu install ISO, unpack it, stick initrd.gz and linux in a directory and create an entry in grub to boot off of those -- and install the new version of ubuntu without a CD but from the hard drive? |
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| 18:32.40 | jordanm | !tell JC_SoCal about ubuntu |
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| 18:33.14 | JC_SoCal | dang, i thought i was in the ubuntu channel -- sorry |
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| 18:33.46 | moxie | where is mkisofs |
| 18:34.00 | Rix | i subscribed my email to debian security, but i got 20+ emails just for one security vulnerability package, is it possible to get no more than 2-3 emails for one and the same advisory? |
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| 18:35.22 | Ritzton | !tell Ritzton about http://pastebin.com/6gfwQtwd :-) |
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| 18:35.40 | moxie | genisoimage |
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| 18:38.49 | mmnicolas | Rix: its a mailing list, I don't think so, usually your email client will be able to organize them in threads |
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| 18:43.01 | akademos | hi there, is it possible to choose the specific packages that are installed during Debian 7 install? I only find generic options to choose from, like if I want a graphical environment and/or an SSH server. |
| 18:43.32 | mmnicolas | akademos: just select standard utilities and run aptitude after install |
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| 18:44.55 | Dennis8162 | Hi Im trying to install java open jdk on debian 6 using command "sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre" but it says E : Unable to locate package openjdk-7-jre |
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| 18:45.37 | mmnicolas | Dennis8162: because it's not there |
| 18:45.47 | Dennis8162 | how do i add it? |
| 18:46.01 | mmnicolas | you don't, you upgrade to wheezy |
| 18:46.20 | Dennis8162 | what version? |
| 18:46.27 | Dennis8162 | i only have upto 6 |
| 18:46.28 | mmnicolas | 7, the current stable |
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| 18:47.35 | Dennis8162 | i installed sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre :) |
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| 18:47.55 | haxi | hi there. Strange things happens; there is a process that I can't seem to kill, neither with kill -9 pid or killall... what can I do ? |
| 18:47.56 | Dennis8162 | So i need debian 7 for java 7? |
| 18:48.18 | haxi | Also tried to kill it with htop, doesn't work .. |
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| 18:48.46 | dzemik | @haxi: what's name of this process? |
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| 18:49.07 | haxi | qjackctl |
| 18:49.18 | haxi | I killed the window, but process remains... |
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| 18:49.27 | mmnicolas | Dennis8162: yes |
| 18:49.30 | haxi | it was frozen btw. |
| 18:49.32 | Dennis8162 | Ah ok |
| 18:49.47 | Dennis8162 | open Jdk has no agreement? :o |
| 18:49.58 | Dennis8162 | the oracle one is stupid |
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| 18:50.46 | Dennis8162 | whats that command to swtich users? |
| 18:51.43 | dzemik | @haxi: I think it can help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/224151/12-10-qjackctl-problem |
| 18:52.56 | motto | what's the difference between squeeze and stable; wheezy and testing? |
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| 18:54.00 | mmnicolas | motto: squeeze has moved to oldstable, the new stable is wheezy, the new testing is jessie |
| 18:54.09 | mumpitzel | motto: wrong. squeeze is oldstable, wheezy is stable, jessie is testing |
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| 18:56.48 | Dennis8162 | I can use screen .. :( "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check." |
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| 18:57.16 | mmnicolas | Dennis8162: what are you doing |
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| 18:57.25 | Dennis8162 | the screen command |
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| 18:58.32 | haxi | dzemik, already saw this topic and I still can't kill qjackctl proc :( |
| 18:58.40 | Dennis8162 | i switched to user "minecraft" and now want to use 'screen' b ut get the error |
| 18:59.20 | Dennis8162 | i can run scrren as root? |
| 18:59.27 | Dennis8162 | but not the other user |
| 18:59.53 | mmnicolas | no and no, su the other user if you want to use his session |
| 19:00.16 | Dennis8162 | oh ok |
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| 19:00.57 | Dennis8162 | it works now thanks :) |
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| 19:03.49 | Arthic | what is the best way to install debian on an uefi pc using an usb key ? |
| 19:04.10 | Arthic | or how can i make debian install as uefi if it was launched normally ? |
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| 19:12.33 | motto | mumpitzel, |
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| 19:12.54 | motto | in testing installation i've this repos deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 19:12.54 | motto | deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
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| 19:13.29 | Klownicle | Running a hostapd setup on debian 7.0, open authentication worked fine but wpa=2 configuration clients cannot connect. Halp! |
| 19:13.34 | jordanm | motto, wheezy is no longer testing |
| 19:14.02 | motto | jordanm, i'm installed from this iso debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:15.06 | mmnicolas | motto: squeeze has moved to oldstable, the new stable is wheezy, the new testing is jessie |
| 19:15.10 | mmnicolas | your iso is outdated |
| 19:15.19 | Ritzton | please is it possible to tell me why I cannot start my daemon ? http://pastebin.com/6gfwQtwd |
| 19:15.42 | motto | mmnicolas, argh! |
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| 19:17.28 | motto | mmnicolas, i'll reinstall :) |
| 19:18.16 | motto | mmnicolas, or if i switch repos i can have problems? |
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| 19:21.25 | mullein | Ritzton, check perms on the dir maybe, /var/log/redis |
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| 19:22.56 | mmnicolas | motto: just go on, dist-upgrade |
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| 19:23.52 | motto | mmnicolas, switch to jessie |
| 19:23.53 | mmnicolas | its not like your license would not activate because you used the wrong disc |
| 19:23.55 | motto | and dist upgrade? |
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| 19:24.12 | mmnicolas | no, keep your sources.list as is, and dist-upgrade |
| 19:24.25 | mmnicolas | if you want stable |
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| 19:25.29 | motto | i want testing :) |
| 19:25.49 | motto | replace wheezy with jessie it's right? apt-get update and dist-upgrade |
| 19:25.55 | mmnicolas | pretty much |
| 19:26.10 | motto | very well! |
| 19:26.15 | Roenie | dont forget to backup and pray |
| 19:26.23 | mmnicolas | it's a fresh install |
| 19:26.28 | motto | Roenie, snapshot and go :D |
| 19:26.37 | motto | i use VM for work |
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| 19:27.18 | motto | mmnicolas, stable -> wheezy; testing -> jessie, it's true? |
| 19:27.32 | scshunt | it's true |
| 19:27.40 | motto | good i mistaked with names :) |
| 19:27.47 | mumpitzel | no you did not |
| 19:27.56 | Ritzton | mullein> yeah the dir has the right perms, I tried with chmod777 and still permission denied.... |
| 19:27.59 | motto | mumpitzel, before! |
| 19:28.04 | mumpitzel | back when you installed wheezy was testing. and you shouldn't switch to jessie right now |
| 19:28.06 | Ritzton | I have also remove the swp file |
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| 19:28.28 | motto | wheezy is now stable |
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| 19:29.24 | scshunt | mumpitzel: why not switch to jessie? |
| 19:29.39 | motto | i want testing, switch to jessie is the way |
| 19:30.05 | mumpitzel | cause it's not really much more bleeding edge right now but has nots of breakage. let jessie settle a bit, then switch if you still want to |
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| 19:33.06 | Arthic | do i have to create a bios boot partition when installing debian on an uefi pc ? |
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| 19:34.33 | gerardo_ | Hello, I want ask you if you now wich is better, I am using wheezy and I wan't try Jessie, is better use testing or jessie into the source.lst? |
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| 19:35.10 | Corey | Since there's no step-tickers in Debian's implementation of ntp, what's the debian way of kicking off an ntpdate before ntp binds? |
| 19:35.42 | BenNZ | gerardo_: depends do you want to track jessie or testing ? |
| 19:35.57 | moxie | debian is awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 19:36.02 | moxie | anyone use kfreebsd |
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| 19:36.40 | smw | gerardo_, testing will always be testing and jessie will always be jessie. But at some point jessie will be stable and something else will be testing |
| 19:36.54 | gerardo_ | BenNz, Do you know the diference? I mean, I want testing, but I don't knok if I need use testing or Jessie? |
| 19:37.07 | boudiccas | but thats posibly 2 years away |
| 19:37.13 | smw | gerardo_, at the moment, they mean the same thing |
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| 19:37.32 | smw | gerardo_, in the future (2 years as boudiccas pointed out) they will mean different things |
| 19:38.02 | gerardo_ | I understarnd in the future when jessie will be stable, I will be in stable if Y use Jessie, if I use testing, change automaticly is this right? |
| 19:38.06 | blindrage2 | is glib-2.37.0 a replacement for glib_2.4? |
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| 19:38.46 | gerardo_ | moxie: Today I will be installing to test |
| 19:38.47 | Maelstrom | ZZZZZ |
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| 19:38.53 | blindrage2 | i want to update whatever provides libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| 19:39.34 | gerardo_ | BenNz. Thanks for the tip, I will be change tu Jessie |
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| 19:40.14 | Arthic | hello ? |
| 19:41.01 | Klownicle | Running a hostapd setup on debian 7.0, open authentication worked fine but wpa=2 configuration clients cannot connect. Halp! |
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| 19:45.13 | Ritzton | http://pastebin.com/Tt8A19WH :-/ |
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| 19:45.33 | bin_bash | Hello. The server I got has debian installed, and apparently has X installed. I do not want X installed, but when I try to purge it, I get that it can't because of gnome-keyring. when i try to purge gnome-keyring, it says I cant because of this: https://pastee.org/dcnky |
| 19:45.36 | bin_bash | How can I get rid of X |
| 19:46.22 | mullein | bin_bash, i think doing apt-get update first might help. |
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| 19:46.48 | Arthic | hey can anyone help me with uefi support ? |
| 19:46.51 | bin_bash | mullein, yeah I did that already |
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| 19:47.21 | Arthic | i booted in uefi mode and some guide tells me to make a 1mo bios boot partition, is it legit ? source : http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi |
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| 19:49.15 | bin_bash | mullein, any other ideas |
| 19:49.22 | mullein | bin_bash: do you have squeeze + wheezy sources? |
| 19:49.50 | mullein | because that paste looks like you have newer stuff + squeeze stuff. like perhaps you installed something from backports? |
| 19:50.12 | bin_bash | mullein, tbh I didn't install anything, it was all installed by the provider |
| 19:50.24 | Arthic | help ? |
| 19:50.56 | zergion | if I type in a terminal for an example 'ip address list', in what log file can I see this entry? |
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| 19:54.05 | mullein | bin_bash: can you do a paste of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 19:54.12 | bin_bash | sure one sec |
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| 19:55.20 | well_laid_lawn | zergion: I grepped /var/log/ for my ip address and it's not in a log |
| 19:55.25 | bin_bash | mullein, http://ix.io/5LG |
| 19:55.39 | zergion | well_laid_lawn I see |
| 19:55.44 | mullein | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 19:55.53 | mullein | change that to old-stable instead of stable, i think |
| 19:55.56 | mullein | and then apt-get update |
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| 19:56.30 | mullein | then try your purge |
| 19:56.46 | Klownicle | Infiltrator how are you. Thanks for your help yesterday. |
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| 19:57.02 | Klownicle | Got it up and running in Open AP, but now trying WPA and can't get my clients to connect. |
| 19:58.16 | bin_bash | mullein, which line? |
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| 19:58.40 | ws2k3 | Hello is root only a u ser or also a group? |
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| 19:58.51 | ws2k3 | can i create new users and just add them in the root group? |
| 19:59.01 | bin_bash | ws2k3, if you have sudo installed then you can have a sudo group |
| 19:59.13 | Klownicle | given that a program just asked for a existing group and I used root. |
| 19:59.15 | mullein | bin_bash: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:59.15 | ws2k3 | no i dont have sudo installed |
| 19:59.17 | Klownicle | id have to say yes its a group lol |
| 19:59.24 | ws2k3 | a question why should i use sudo |
| 19:59.25 | sacredchao | Does anyone else use nvidia 319 drivers? I am trying to enable the displayport output on my Thinkpad T420s. Bumblebee is working great in optimus mode, but I can see DP1 |
| 19:59.27 | mullein | change that to:deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian old-stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:59.55 | mullein | bin_bash: the reason would be that wheezy was made stable a few weeks ago, so its stuff is conflicting with squeeze stuff. and you're running squeeze. |
| 20:01.16 | bin_bash | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian old-stable main contrib non-free |
| 20:01.18 | bin_bash | like this, mullein? |
| 20:01.56 | mullein | yes, except i was wrong - its oldstable, not old-stable |
| 20:01.59 | sacredchao | bin_bash: If you want to make sure you stick with a specific version., best just use the codename for that version, so replace stable with "squeeze" |
| 20:02.17 | bin_bash | wheezy is newer than squeeze? |
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| 20:02.20 | bin_bash | I can't keep up with these names |
| 20:02.35 | mullein | of course, sacredchao's advice is also accurate. |
| 20:03.08 | bin_bash | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 20:03.11 | bin_bash | like this? |
| 20:03.15 | babilen | mullein: And please don't use "oldstable" (or "stable") but the actual release names ("squeeze", "wheezy") -- And yes, wheezy is the release after squeeze. |
| 20:03.19 | bin_bash | (I'm not usually a debian user) |
| 20:03.19 | sacredchao | bin_bash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Timeline |
| 20:03.57 | bin_bash | hm so i guess i should upgrade to wheezy? |
| 20:04.34 | bin_bash | maybe i should swithc to a rolling release |
| 20:04.38 | sacredchao | bin_bash: Depends on what you use it for. If you stay on squeeze, be sure to have properly configured security updates in your APT sources |
| 20:04.40 | mullein | yes that line looks good |
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| 20:04.54 | bin_bash | sacredchao, it's going to be minecraft/IRC/seedbox |
| 20:04.56 | sacredchao | bin_bash: Some people prefer "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and others want newer packages |
| 20:04.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell bin_bash -about release notes |
| 20:05.00 | zifnab | how long are updates provided for oldstable? |
| 20:05.04 | zifnab | (squeeze i guess0 |
| 20:05.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell bin_bash -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:05.08 | bin_bash | oh god babilen please don't do that |
| 20:05.10 | bin_bash | stop that |
| 20:05.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell bin_bash -about squeeze sources.list |
| 20:05.15 | babilen | bin_bash: Why? |
| 20:05.17 | sacredchao | I personally prefer newer packages, also because I don't mind fixing things if they break |
| 20:05.17 | bin_bash | babilen, stop. |
| 20:05.19 | bin_bash | because it's rude |
| 20:05.32 | bin_bash | sacredchao, yeah I use arch on my laptop |
| 20:05.47 | sacredchao | bin_bash: I dual-boot Arch and Debian sid on my ultrabook |
| 20:05.50 | bin_bash | nice |
| 20:05.55 | babilen | bin_bash: Sure, no problem. Why is it rude? I simply asked the bot to provide you with relevant information - But I'll stop if you prefer that. |
| 20:06.01 | bin_bash | babilen, I don't like PMs |
| 20:06.04 | sacredchao | Debian sid is rolling release, as is testing (when it's not frozen) |
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| 20:06.15 | mullein | zifnab: squeeze was stable until a month ago, and it became oldstable when wheezy became stable. when jessie becomes stable, wheezy will become oldstable, and squeeze will become an archived release |
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| 20:06.32 | bin_bash | sacredchao, any way to get to testing without reinstalling altogether? |
| 20:06.38 | zifnab | mullein: thanks |
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| 20:06.57 | sacredchao | bin_bash: Sure, you change your sources.list file to retrieve packages from testing |
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| 20:07.11 | zifnab | we're on squeeze, i just don't have time to test wheezy yet. wanted to make sure squeeze still had security updates at least |
| 20:07.29 | bin_bash | sacredchao, is it a terrible idea to run Arch on a server |
| 20:07.41 | zifnab | why |
| 20:07.42 | babilen | bin_bash: You have to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy first (by following the release notes the bot told you about) and you can *then* upgrade to jessie (testing) if you want that. |
| 20:07.45 | mullein | zifnab, yes, squeeze will receive security updates as long as it is oldstable. once it is archived, no further security updates. |
| 20:07.55 | zifnab | mullein: perfect then. thank you! |
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| 20:09.03 | babilen | bin_bash: Please note that testing is a bit of a, well, unstable system (in the debian sense of "lots of changes") and that you should be familiar with packaging and other aspects of running a Debian system. I would, in particular, recommend to take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 20:09.19 | bin_bash | I never really use debian |
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| 20:09.22 | bin_bash | I'm more of an Arch user |
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| 20:10.04 | bin_bash | I just like rolling release |
| 20:10.14 | samba35 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.24 | babilen | bin_bash: That is fine, but you should be familiar with Debian if you run it. Especially if you track on of the development branches |
| 20:10.26 | samba35 | hmm |
| 20:10.31 | zifnab | samba35: might want to change that password... |
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| 20:10.36 | samba35 | yeah |
| 20:10.42 | samba35 | any idea how |
| 20:10.47 | zifnab | um, /msg nickserv help |
| 20:10.51 | samba35 | thx |
| 20:10.54 | msx | n/quit |
| 20:10.58 | bin_bash | lol |
| 20:11.10 | zifnab | :/ |
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| 20:11.29 | babilen | samba35: And you should make it a habit to *never* do that in a channel. I would furthermore recommend to simply configure your client to authenticate automatically or (better!) use CertFP |
| 20:11.58 | bin_bash | babilen, he got ghosted |
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| 20:13.21 | truexfan81 | lol i just logged in as him lol |
| 20:13.46 | bin_bash | lolol |
| 20:13.53 | truexfan81 | whois me lol |
| 20:14.30 | bin_bash | LOL |
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| 20:17.00 | truexfan81 | j ##truexfan81 |
| 20:17.02 | truexfan81 | oops |
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| 20:17.31 | bin_bash | LOL |
| 20:17.41 | truexfan81 | wireless kb grr |
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| 20:17.46 | bin_bash | i got b& |
| 20:17.48 | bin_bash | instab& |
| 20:17.51 | truexfan81 | it missed the "/" |
| 20:18.24 | truexfan81 | when i identified as him i got banned from my channel lol |
| 20:18.44 | truexfan81 | thats what i get for setting the channel restricted |
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| 20:23.05 | truexfan81 | if i wanted to be mean i could add my certfp fingerprint to his account, then i could login as him without having to know his password lol |
| 20:23.31 | truexfan81 | i'm gonna pass on that tho |
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| 20:39.00 | blindrage2 | if i download a .debian.tar.xz file from packages.debian.org, what do i do with it? |
| 20:39.09 | blindrage2 | it extracts to a debian folder with no configure |
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| 20:39.30 | blindrage2 | i want the .armhf version out of it |
| 20:39.51 | jordanm | blindrage2, you need the orig tarball and dsc as well |
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| 20:40.46 | jordanm | blindrage2, run dget -x on the url to the dsc |
| 20:41.20 | jordanm | the debian.tar.xz only includes the debian/ directory of the package |
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| 20:44.09 | blindrage2 | bleh |
| 20:44.14 | blindrage2 | was hoping to circumvent building |
| 20:44.31 | jordanm | blindrage2, then don't download the source package, download the .deb |
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| 20:44.58 | blindrage2 | where's the deb? i must be overlooking it |
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| 20:45.22 | blindrage2 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/armhf/libc6 |
| 20:45.44 | jordanm | blindrage2, at the bottom of the page |
| 20:45.45 | jordanm | http://packages.debian.org/sid/armhf/libc6/download |
| 20:45.50 | jordanm | pick a mirror |
| 20:46.51 | KRob3 | I've just recovered a bunch of files with photorec, so now I'm looking for a good way to search through them. I'd like to index the contents of the recovered files and search for contents, including code fragments within HTML files, etc, not just the "contents". Any suggestion on the best tool for this? |
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| 20:47.15 | mumpitzel | KRob3: file |
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| 20:48.03 | jhutchins_wk | KRob3: Perhaps now would be a good time to be implementing a scheduled backup? |
| 20:48.34 | KRob3 | Yes. Yes, it would. |
| 20:49.15 | KRob3 | Doesn't file just determine the type of a file? Photorec generally determines the filetype, but not names or anything like that. |
| 20:49.46 | KRob3 | Speaking of backups, I'm also interested in suggestions on a good system for that. |
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| 20:50.26 | jordanm | KRob3, what environment? how many boxes? |
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| 20:51.58 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | hello |
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| 20:52.12 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | i search for X video drivers on debian |
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| 20:52.52 | KRob3 | I have a desktop with a large hard drive running debian, a laptop with a smaller hard drive also running debian, and an external hard drive... I also have some older machines that could be put into service for storing back ups, but they don't have such large hard drives (maybe I should invest in another larger hard drive...) |
| 20:53.31 | jordanm | KRob3, rsnapshot or backuppc |
| 20:54.05 | Gokee2 | KRob3, I use rdiffbackup and a few crontab entries http://rdiff-backup.nongnu.org/ |
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| 20:54.21 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | debian haven t X video drivers ? |
| 20:54.31 | KRob3 | I've considered a system that would syncronize my important files between the laptop and desktop and keep copies of larger items that are easily replaceable (like .isos downloaded from the net) somewhere else so they don't use up my limited space on the smaller drive. |
| 20:54.53 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | KRob3: tu peux fermer ton groin stp |
| 20:55.44 | mumpitzel | stop this KamiKaze_Phoenix |
| 20:56.58 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | ok, is only a chinese song |
| 20:57.23 | mumpitzel | don't lie either. |
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| 21:00.26 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | lol, i have a small 16 go ds card for system, but i have 3 girlfriends :D |
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| 21:01.53 | babilen | KamiKaze_Phoenix: Do you need help with anything in particular? |
| 21:02.45 | KamiKaze_Phoenix | babilen: hello, ok i am a joker sometime, but babilen is good, i wanna no problem with babilen |
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| 21:03.28 | babilen | KamiKaze_Phoenix: I don't want any problems with you either. Luckily you have some time to make up your mind about that and you can try to be a bit more on-topic and focussed the next time around. |
| 21:04.44 | JordiGH | Sigh, I made a mess. I was trying to install a new linux in a chroot, but I forgot to mount my boot partition in the chroot, so dpkg wrote to /boot in the encrypted partition. I manually deleted the contents of /boot in the encrypted partition, went back outside the chroot, mounted boot, and went back into the chroot, but now dpkg won't complete the installation of a newer linux because it says it can't symlink initrd to the right thing in /boot. |
| 21:04.53 | JordiGH | How do I tell dpkg to recreate everything in /boot for the new linux? |
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| 21:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | backups? |
| 21:06.14 | JordiGH | Really? |
| 21:06.25 | JordiGH | dpkg can't recreate whatever I erased from /boot? |
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| 21:06.28 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, JordiGH |
| 21:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :D |
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| 21:06.51 | owen1 | can i use w95 fat32 usb drive to install debian from it? |
| 21:06.52 | mumpitzel | JordiGH: update-initramfs |
| 21:06.58 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: Aren't you approaching having the wrong versions of files in /boot? |
| 21:07.05 | bin_bash | is there an easy way to get a full package list |
| 21:07.05 | JordiGH | I erased an initrd, a grub config, and a linux image, but these things were in the actual boot partition, not in the /boot that dpkg wrote to the encrypted partition. |
| 21:07.10 | owen1 | currently i can't remove the files on it. it tells me read-only filesystem |
| 21:07.11 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.20 | owen1 | any idea why? |
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| 21:07.38 | mumpitzel | !tell owen1 about vfatrw |
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| 21:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, can you remove/purge the kernel-image packages? |
| 21:08.08 | mumpitzel | you might be able to install from it (debian install media on usb sticks uses fat too) but it's easier if you let debian overwrite it all |
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| 21:09.10 | owen1 | mumpitzel: i used this command: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb/ -o uid=1000,gid=1000 is it not correct? |
| 21:09.11 | mumpitzel | owen1: yumi works well too: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
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| 21:09.49 | owen1 | mumpitzel: i am cool to format it so something else, as long as i'll be able to insert it to a mac as well. |
| 21:09.49 | mumpitzel | owen1: it looks correct. are you user 1000? what does ls -ld /media/usb say? |
| 21:09.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, reinstalling the linux-image packages you have might work, too... but as you said, configuring those packages fails because it involves the other packages... |
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| 21:10.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as the files in /boot are made by the postinstall script... |
| 21:10.30 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: The bad kernel isn't there. The actual thing it's complaining about is that it can't symlink /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-amd64 to initrd.img |
| 21:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the postinstall script fails... |
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| 21:10.45 | JordiGH | And indeed, this initrd doesn't exist. |
| 21:10.46 | owen1 | mumpitzel: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root /media/usb -> usb0 |
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| 21:10.56 | JordiGH | Should I just tell update-initramfs to create that initrd? |
| 21:11.14 | mumpitzel | owen1: then what is ls -ld /media/usb0 ? |
| 21:11.25 | owen1 | mumpitzel: it works now! |
| 21:11.30 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry, I mean, the kernel is there, but since the package failed to configure, apt thinks the package isn't installed. |
| 21:11.51 | mumpitzel | JordiGH: create the link then dpkg-reconfigure the package |
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| 21:12.20 | JordiGH | mumpitzel: The target link doesn't exist... I'm creating one now... |
| 21:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll have to do some stuff by hand in some way ... or change the postinstall scripts not to fail |
| 21:13.15 | JordiGH | Okay, that seems to have worked... |
| 21:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can uninstall the kernel packages... then do that, uninstall all but the one you currently use and reinstall that one |
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| 21:14.55 | jhutchins_wk | bin_bash: Like what you get from dpkg -l? |
| 21:14.58 | JordiGH | Okay, this all seems to be working now... |
| 21:15.08 | JordiGH | I just needed to manually create the initrd. |
| 21:15.15 | jhutchins_wk | bin_bash: Or are you after a list of all 30,000+ pacakges available for your release? |
| 21:15.41 | bin_bash | jhutchins_wk, I think dpkg -l |
| 21:15.44 | bin_bash | just wasn't sure of the syntax |
| 21:15.50 | bin_bash | on Arch it's Pacman -Qi |
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| 21:16.24 | bin_bash | god there's a lot of junk installed on this server |
| 21:16.27 | bin_bash | >openoffice |
| 21:16.28 | bin_bash | wtf |
| 21:16.54 | dizzylizzy | I'm upgrading sid after 3 weeks of no internet |
| 21:16.57 | dizzylizzy | this should be interesting |
| 21:17.10 | bin_bash | I think maybe I need to have them just reinstall |
| 21:17.27 | bin_bash | this is absurd |
| 21:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dizzylizzy, are you announcing this, so we can better laugh at you after things broke horribly? |
| 21:17.40 | JordiGH | Hahah, great, apt-get just got me the "Yes, do as I say!" prompt. |
| 21:17.47 | JordiGH | I hadn't had those in a while. |
| 21:17.52 | dizzylizzy | CutMeOwnThroat, basically |
| 21:18.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | right-ho |
| 21:18.05 | cusco | removing the linux kernel? |
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| 21:18.45 | JordiGH | cusco: I tried to update lvm2, but since my system is in an intermediate squeeze/wheezy bizarro state, that messes everything up, and apt asked me if I wanted to remove apt. |
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| 21:19.20 | cusco | o.O |
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| 21:21.27 | JordiGH | apt actually quite gleefully (well, almost) removes linux. |
| 21:21.39 | JordiGH | But apt freaks out if you try to remove apt. |
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| 21:23.15 | JordiGH | Why did apt-get go back to being the upgrade path instead of aptitude? |
| 21:23.25 | JordiGH | I find apt-get so primitive, heh, after several years of aptitude. |
| 21:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | because aptitude calculates dependencies forever and then finds no solution? |
| 21:24.00 | patter | sometimes apt-get gets things just right, when faced with conflicting upgrades |
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| 21:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | while apt-get just plots through |
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| 21:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | plods |
| 21:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever |
| 21:24.21 | patter | or as the esteemed Mr Dibbler just said :) |
| 21:24.39 | JordiGH | So the squeeze->wheezy dependency resolution got too complicated for aptitude? |
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| 21:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | just made problems in more cases and probably ones that were less straight-forward to fix than the ones with apt-get |
| 21:25.38 | KRob3 | If I've already run photorec on an accidentally formatted partition, have I probably recovered everything possible? Should I try another tool, or I do I have much to loose by using that device now? |
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| 21:26.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | write your own magicrescue receipe (or look if there's a pre-prepared one) if you're after any specific types of files |
| 21:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is photorec part of that? |
| 21:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, that's part of testdisk |
| 21:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | magicrescue pretty much uses the same method as photorec, though, IIRC |
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| 21:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, and photorec also isn't focused exclusively on pictures anymore either |
| 21:28.55 | KRob3 | it looks like photorec recovrs most any filetype I would be looking for... |
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| 21:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | then they probably both do pretty much the same thing |
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| 21:29.48 | msn | i am trying to install some app in wine which needs vcrun6 and i cant figure out to setup my language to eng since it has suddently gone to german |
| 21:29.56 | JordiGH | So what's the recipe to avoid Gnome 3 in wheezy? |
| 21:30.01 | JordiGH | Do we have mate or cinnamon? |
| 21:30.27 | JordiGH | I could try KDE again, but I'm pretty sure they don't have Emacs keybindings, which is pretty important for me. |
| 21:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ratpoison? :D |
| 21:30.41 | KRob3 | since the disk I just recovered from is the largest one around, I don't have much other place to sort the recovered files. I would hate to wipe out anything else that might have been recovered, but I'm thinking there isn't likely any better way to recover anything more than I've got. I've been in #btrfs trying to find a way to recover any of the previous fs, but to no avail. |
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| 21:30.51 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: I actually prefer compiz. I'll see if I can backport it from experimental. |
| 21:31.00 | bin_bash | god. whomever installed this version of debian isntalled the desktop version |
| 21:31.05 | bin_bash | how can I uninstall this unnecessary shit' |
| 21:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | no mate in debian... never even heard cinnamon, but |
| 21:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, cinnamon |
| 21:31.13 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged in <unstable>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 21:31.15 | JordiGH | bin_bash: apt-get remove unnecessary-shit |
| 21:31.19 | bin_bash | JordiGH, I wish |
| 21:31.46 | JordiGH | bin_bash: Well, you have to identify the unnecessary-shit, but if you use tasksel, you can remove the destkop task. |
| 21:32.08 | bin_bash | tasksel? |
| 21:32.16 | JordiGH | dpkg: tasksel |
| 21:32.16 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 21:33.05 | patter | aptitude also lists the tasks & vrtual packages |
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| 21:39.15 | zergion_lx | what is the difference between apache and apache2? |
| 21:39.39 | KRob3 | hmm, I'm seeing that a number of the recovered files are actually only fragments... |
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| 21:40.14 | SmashingX | I don't remember which character gives you the comamd prompt again while you are executing a command, can anybody help me? |
| 21:40.30 | SmashingX | I thought was & at the end of the command |
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| 21:41.42 | LtL | SmashingX: that backgrounds the 'process' if that's what you want. |
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| 21:41.59 | SmashingX | I'm not sure |
| 21:42.07 | SmashingX | because when I use nohup |
| 21:42.14 | SmashingX | it doesn't give me the prompt back |
| 21:42.22 | SmashingX | and I don't want to hit ctrl-c |
| 21:42.35 | SmashingX | because it think it will kill the nohup process |
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| 21:43.18 | LtL | SmashingX: hrm, i've never tried that, sooo maybe someone can chime in here |
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| 21:43.49 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 21:45.19 | LtL | SmashingX: http://www.unix.com/unix-advanced-expert-users/42558-nohup-background-process.html |
| 21:46.04 | SmashingX | okmhhh |
| 21:46.15 | SmashingX | I don't know if that would help me |
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| 21:46.35 | SmashingX | when I ran nohup (command) |
| 21:47.10 | SmashingX | it says this: appending output to `nohup.out' |
| 21:47.26 | SmashingX | but then what are my options? |
| 21:47.31 | SmashingX | close the window? |
| 21:47.35 | LtL | SmashingX: i would just whip open another shell |
| 21:47.50 | SmashingX | right but what would happen to that one? |
| 21:47.55 | owen1 | what should by sources.list look like? |
| 21:48.00 | LtL | SmashingX: closing the window would kill it, run it in a screen |
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| 21:48.06 | owen1 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 21:48.17 | owen1 | and deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main ? |
| 21:48.18 | SmashingX | would kill it? |
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| 21:48.33 | owen1 | just installed debian 7. |
| 21:48.33 | SmashingX | but that's what nohup it suppose to do |
| 21:48.34 | LtL | SmashingX: i'm guessing it would kill it yes |
| 21:48.37 | SmashingX | to keep it alive |
| 21:48.53 | owen1 | what lines should i have in my sources.list ? |
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| 21:49.11 | SmashingX | even if you close the window |
| 21:49.11 | mumpitzel | !tell owen1 about sources.list |
| 21:49.27 | SmashingX | don't be lazy mumpitzel hehehe |
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| 21:52.13 | SmashingX | I got what I needed LtL, just in case you want to know it too http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/nohup-execute-commands-after-you-exit-from-a-shell-prompt.html |
| 21:52.14 | LtL | SmashingX: screen sounds ideal for this imho. |
| 21:52.36 | LtL | SmashingX: gotta love cyberciti |
| 21:52.41 | SmashingX | I think I was right, I had to add a & at the end |
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| 21:52.55 | SmashingX | nohup command-name & |
| 21:53.03 | owen1 | mumpitzel: how do i know if i need contrib or not? i used to have it previously but not sure why. |
| 21:53.10 | owen1 | (i also had non-free) |
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| 21:54.40 | sudoman | when's a good time to upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 21:55.25 | KRob3 | Actually it looks like most of the recovered files are fragments... |
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| 21:57.44 | KRob3 | Is there a good way to get the file manager to generate previews of the various text based file formats? |
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| 22:14.02 | jhutchins_wk | KRob3: Which file manager? |
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| 22:23.44 | uberdub | Man, Im about at my wits end here |
| 22:24.05 | uberdub | I cant afford to just buy a new laptop |
| 22:24.22 | pjb | A Raspberry Pi laptop? |
| 22:24.29 | uberdub | this needs to work, or I have to install win to have full functionality |
| 22:24.41 | uberdub | hp mini 311 |
| 22:25.04 | uberdub | I cant run new flavors |
| 22:25.19 | uberdub | gotta be regression |
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| 22:25.53 | uberdub | I hate windows |
| 22:26.10 | uberdub | this is very disapointing |
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| 22:27.22 | uberdub | at least with win or osx I can get real support when stuff doesnt work |
| 22:27.46 | uberdub | No cs degree required |
| 22:29.33 | Hydroxide | uberdub: both windows (via microsoft or your manufacturer) and debian (via many independent consultants and companies) typically require payment for guaranteed support. that said, #debian and the related mailing lists and forums usually do a pretty good job. have you told us your issue yet? |
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| 22:29.54 | uberdub | yeah |
| 22:29.57 | uberdub | years now |
| 22:30.19 | Hydroxide | uberdub: what's the specific way in which debian fails to work on your computer? |
| 22:30.28 | uberdub | although ms may do that, HP was required to give me support until I installed linux |
| 22:30.29 | mtn | uberdub: I don't see any explanation of your issue |
| 22:31.05 | Hydroxide | uberdub: typically even manufacturer support for windows is limited - for example, 30 days or 90 days plus hardware support |
| 22:31.06 | uberdub | Well, I guess I can explain it again, and get the same vague answers |
| 22:31.26 | uberdub | yeah well if sleep doesnt work otb hp wouldve supported it |
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| 22:31.48 | uberdub | its the same issues for years |
| 22:32.03 | uberdub | I was able to get around in running squeeze |
| 22:32.06 | Hydroxide | uberdub: agreed. similarly, those vendors who ship a computer running linux probably won't support it if you install windows overwriting linux. |
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| 22:32.24 | Hydroxide | (yes vendors do that, in smaller numbers, including big vendors. even more common on the server side.) |
| 22:33.17 | uberdub | laptops loaded with linux are pretty few and far between |
| 22:33.18 | Hydroxide | uberdub: we're glad that squeeze works for you. if you want us to help you with wheezy, please tell us what doesn't work. right now all we've heard is that a problem has existed for years |
| 22:33.30 | Hydroxide | uberdub: also agreed. they do exist, including from major vendors in 2013. |
| 22:33.40 | uberdub | there are a few |
| 22:33.56 | uberdub | I can just throw this box away, and buy another one |
| 22:34.00 | uberdub | Im not rich |
| 22:34.28 | Hydroxide | uberdub: nobody's encouraging that. if you want to describe your situation so we can help you use debian wheezy, great, we'll try |
| 22:34.48 | Hydroxide | uberdub: if you don't, that will prevent any support vendor from fixing your problem with any OS, and we're no different. |
| 22:34.51 | uberdub | I just dont have days to spend on this again |
| 22:34.58 | mtn | uberdub: some details might help, you never know :P |
| 22:35.29 | mtn | uberdub: I am curious, if you don't expect any help, why are here talking about it? |
| 22:35.33 | Hydroxide | uberdub: all we can guarantee is that neither we nor any other OS vendor can help you with a computer issue at the level of detail we've heard so far. |
| 22:36.14 | uberdub | this where things get very long and drawn out, and I really dont have the time to sort it |
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| 22:36.41 | uberdub | suspend freezes my system |
| 22:36.54 | uberdub | Ive tried everything already |
| 22:36.59 | Hydroxide | what kernel are you running? |
| 22:37.22 | Hydroxide | and is this the i386 or the amd64 version of debian? |
| 22:37.35 | uberdub | Linux Hal3000 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:37.55 | Hydroxide | thanks |
| 22:38.43 | uberdub | I am grateful for the help, its just I have spent days, and days troubleshooting this in here over the years to no avail |
| 22:39.09 | mtn | uberdub: that kernel hasn't been around for years |
| 22:39.20 | uberdub | no that sqeeze is obsolete it seems Im screwed |
| 22:39.20 | uberdub | now* |
| 22:39.31 | uberdub | dude |
| 22:39.39 | uberdub | no kidding |
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| 22:40.14 | comodo_dragon | heh |
| 22:40.20 | comodo_dragon | i was idling in the wrong channel.. |
| 22:40.22 | comodo_dragon | hi all |
| 22:40.27 | Hydroxide | mtn: actually that does seem like the current wheezy kernel |
| 22:40.30 | uberdub | it started 2 or 3 years ago in ubuntu |
| 22:40.30 | mtn | uberdub: there are other channels for just talking and complaining, this one is for tech support |
| 22:40.42 | uberdub | lol |
| 22:40.44 | Hydroxide | mtn: he's actually giving details now, give him a chance |
| 22:40.48 | mtn | Hydroxide: years old already? I don't think so. |
| 22:40.53 | uberdub | split hairs much there mtn? |
| 22:40.57 | Hydroxide | mtn: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 22:41.28 | Hydroxide | mtn: maybe ubuntu backported a power management bug? :) |
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| 22:41.43 | mtn | sorry guys, I was being logical. have fun. |
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| 22:41.45 | Hydroxide | mtn: it would just have to be something that broke after the squeeze kernel, not in the wheezy kernel |
| 22:42.03 | uberdub | it works fine on 2.6 kernels |
| 22:42.12 | uberdub | seems to maybe be wifi related |
| 22:42.22 | uberdub | my bluetooth also isnt recognized |
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| 22:43.02 | Hydroxide | uberdub: this has a relevant note about suspend and resume: http://www.linlap.com/hp_mini_311-1000_series |
| 22:43.06 | uberdub | and if I try to switch to wifi with wicd, it freezes |
| 22:43.22 | uberdub | yeah it does..kind of |
| 22:43.34 | uberdub | although it has worked for me before |
| 22:43.34 | Hydroxide | uberdub: does that reflect anything similar to your experience? |
| 22:43.49 | Hydroxide | uberdub: and, have you pulled in the firmware for your wifi and bluetooth, or have you stuck to debian main? |
| 22:45.02 | uberdub | debian main |
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| 22:45.32 | Hydroxide | uberdub: okay. maybe it might help to try the binary blob firmware. can you run lspci and put the output in http://paste.debian.net/ + share the link here? |
| 22:45.38 | thirtythreeforty | Can anyone point me at Debian 7.0 nonfree repo disc images (unofficial is fine). |
| 22:45.40 | thirtythreeforty | ? |
| 22:45.41 | Hydroxide | uberdub: that will let me point you to the right packages |
| 22:45.50 | Hydroxide | thirtythreeforty: the download page om www.debian.org has a link to that |
| 22:46.01 | Hydroxide | thirtythreeforty: if you mean one that includes the firmware blobs integrated |
| 22:46.38 | thirtythreeforty | No, I mean a disc that has the repo on it in an archive (like the DVDs do for the main repos). |
| 22:46.53 | uberdub | OH, no not experiencing tht really |
| 22:47.06 | uberdub | err Hydroxide |
| 22:47.51 | uberdub | I never ran ubuntu 9 |
| 22:48.09 | uberdub | when ubuntu 11.04 caame out it ran fine at first |
| 22:48.25 | Hydroxide | thirtythreeforty: gotcha. I don't know of any pre-made images of that nature, though some might exist. you're unlikely to find a commercial vendor doing it either, since some things in non-free can't even be distributed commercially under their license |
| 22:48.29 | uberdub | then as soon as I did a kernel update to 3.2.XX is when it started |
| 22:48.45 | Hydroxide | thirtythreeforty: maybe there's an unofficial non-commercial third-party one. good luck. |
| 22:48.56 | uberdub | Ive been seeking distros that use 2.6 kernel since |
| 22:49.04 | comodo_dragon | heh |
| 22:49.08 | uberdub | but seems debian 6 was the last one |
| 22:49.14 | thirtythreeforty | true. Ah well :/. I have a permanently-offline machine that needs some of those packages (DVD playback, etc.). I'll keep looking. |
| 22:49.43 | uberdub | checking the system logs doest seem to reveal much |
| 22:49.56 | Hydroxide | uberdub: so there are a few things you can try |
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| 22:50.04 | uberdub | ok.. |
| 22:50.07 | Hydroxide | uberdub: can you start by giving lspci output via paste.debian.net? |
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| 22:50.59 | Hydroxide | uberdub: the first thing to try is the firmware blobs corresponding to your wifi and bluetooth hardware. either the wheezy versions if they work or the jessie/sid versions if necessary. as a backup plan, you could try the newer kernel packages in sid or experimental, still otherwise running wheezy |
| 22:51.17 | Hydroxide | uberdub: in case a relevant bug has been fixed subsequent to 3.2 |
| 22:51.35 | uberdub | http://paste.debian.net/6135/ |
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| 22:52.02 | Hydroxide | uberdub: also, there are ways to trigger commands to run before suspend and after resume - I think my personal laptop needs something like that around usb3 to unbind and rebind for it to work. also weird acpi hacks to disable optimus at bootup |
| 22:52.31 | uberdub | yeah |
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| 22:52.33 | Hydroxide | windows laptops often need odd things like this too - it's not a difference in OS - but it's done for you by the manufacturer then |
| 22:52.37 | uberdub | thats what I was afraid of |
| 22:53.00 | uberdub | I dont have the skills to tweak stuff like that freestyle |
| 22:53.08 | Hydroxide | ok, so for the wifi and bluetooth combined, they're likely both in the firmware-atheros package |
| 22:53.19 | Hydroxide | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-atheros |
| 22:53.34 | uberdub | what is the default? |
| 22:53.42 | Hydroxide | I'd say try the wheezy deb and then reboot. if that doesn't work you can do the same with the jessie/sid version (currently identical to each other) |
| 22:53.58 | uberdub | backports? |
| 22:54.01 | Hydroxide | the default is no firmware, so it doesn't work as well or at all, on hardware where non-free firmware is required for functionality |
| 22:54.18 | Hydroxide | no, wheezy or jessie. you can if you prefer add non-free to your sources.list after "main" and then do apt-get update |
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| 22:54.27 | Hydroxide | then you can apt-get install the wheezy version with apt-get install firmware-atheros |
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| 22:54.39 | Hydroxide | but at the same time, that makes it more likely that you'll install other non-free software. |
| 22:54.40 | uberdub | already have non free enabled |
| 22:54.43 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 22:54.48 | uberdub | need nvidia |
| 22:54.49 | Hydroxide | so then just install firmware-atheros |
| 22:54.55 | Hydroxide | it'll probably be the wheezy version |
| 22:55.01 | uberdub | is it in repos? |
| 22:55.03 | Hydroxide | yes |
| 22:55.05 | Hydroxide | in the non-free repos |
| 22:55.14 | dym | Has anyone found a decent selfhosted Dropbox alternative? Except from Owncloud which I dont find particularly developed far. |
| 22:55.25 | Hydroxide | dym: that's the most full-featured one I've heard of |
| 22:55.29 | dym | mhpf |
| 22:55.30 | Hydroxide | dym: but I've also heard similar comments about it |
| 22:55.31 | dym | Hydroxide: shame |
| 22:55.34 | Hydroxide | dym: similar to yours |
| 22:55.41 | dym | Hydroxide: yeah, it has many flaws |
| 22:55.44 | uberdub | pretty sure that package is already installed |
| 22:55.52 | uberdub | checking |
| 22:55.54 | Hydroxide | dym: if you want a vastly more geeky solution, look at git-annex... but some front-ends have been developed to make it user-friendly |
| 22:56.04 | Hydroxide | dym: aka the git-annex assistant |
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| 22:56.23 | dym | Hydroxide: cheers, will look into it. |
| 22:56.25 | uberdub | Hydroxide: yep, already installed firmware-atheros |
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| 22:56.38 | Hydroxide | dym: not as suitable to use in the file sharing model, more for the backup model |
| 22:56.49 | dym | Hydroxide: actually considering to go WebDAV with selfdeveloped frontends. |
| 22:56.50 | Hydroxide | uberdub: the 0.36+wheezy.1 revision? |
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| 22:57.38 | uberdub | yep |
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| 22:58.00 | Hydroxide | uberdub: ok. so here's what you might want to try |
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| 22:58.12 | Hydroxide | uberdub: one, go here and get the newer deb of linux 3.8: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-3.8-2-686-pae |
| 22:58.30 | uberdub | whoa |
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| 22:58.34 | uberdub | ok |
| 22:58.49 | Hydroxide | uberdub: and the matching newer firmware-atheros deb: http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-atheros plus any matching firmware debs that you already have installed (dpkg -l firmware-* to see what you have) |
| 22:59.14 | Hydroxide | uberdub: download the relevant debs, install them with dpkg -i, and reboot into that kernel |
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| 22:59.39 | Hydroxide | uberdub: if it's been fixed upstream, that wil probably handle it, unless it was more recently than 3.8.2 :) |
| 22:59.55 | uberdub | http://paste.debian.net/6136/ |
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| 23:00.36 | Hydroxide | uberdub: ok, so copy the last url I gave for the sid version of firmware-atheros, go to the equivalent firmware-linux-free url, and get that one too |
| 23:01.17 | Hydroxide | uberdub: most of your system will still be wheezy, but the related kernel packages will be newer. you may want to pay attention to kernel security issues from sources other than the debian security team, but hey it's good to have something that's not obsolete |
| 23:01.22 | Hydroxide | if it works, at least |
| 23:01.54 | Hydroxide | that's certainly the direction any fixes will go - nobody will be fixing laptop power management issues in squeeze or 2.6, but they will be fixing it in newer kernels, newer debian, etc |
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| 23:02.23 | uberdub | last time I tried to run the latest kernel it wasnt a real straight forward process |
| 23:03.00 | uberdub | so, in short, upgrade to 3.8, and also install all firmware too |
| 23:03.05 | uberdub | ? |
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| 23:03.24 | Hydroxide | uberdub: it's probably relatively straightforward with that method, yeah |
| 23:03.30 | comodo_dragon | yo |
| 23:03.32 | comodo_dragon | EIR |
| 23:03.35 | Hydroxide | uberdub: and I can't guarantee it'll solve it, but it well might |
| 23:03.39 | uberdub | last time I tried that(like November)I couldnt get the testing kernel to install |
| 23:03.40 | Hydroxide | enough to be worth a try |
| 23:03.56 | Hydroxide | uberdub: yeah, wheezy and jessie haven't diverged as much yet as squeeze and wheezy had then |
| 23:03.57 | uberdub | ill try it again |
| 23:04.11 | Hydroxide | uberdub: it's worth a try - no guarantees, but you can always uninstall those pacakges if they break stuff worse |
| 23:04.22 | elkingrey | I'm running Debian with no nonfree software. I suppose the only nonfree software on my machine in the BIOS. How much of a security threat is a nonfree BIOS? Could it jeopardize my machine even though I'm using FDE? |
| 23:04.26 | Hydroxide | uberdub: and install the wheezy versions of the two firmware packages you have installed. |
| 23:04.50 | uberdub | they should be wheezy already |
| 23:04.52 | yeehi | i did an installation of Wheezy using a DVD image on a USB2 drive to a USB3 drive on the same laptop and it took 16 hours to complete! Why on earth would it take so long? |
| 23:04.57 | Hydroxide | elkingrey: in theory, yes. in practice, unlikely. if you want a free bios on a laptop, very few options exist. |
| 23:05.08 | Hydroxide | uberdub: not if you install the newer versions I pointed you to |
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| 23:05.21 | Hydroxide | uberdub: though honestly, those will likely work with the wheezy kernel as well |
| 23:05.27 | Hydroxide | uberdub: and might fix it themselves if it's a firmware bug |
| 23:05.34 | elkingrey | Hydroxide: Using a desktop. How do I know if I can run coreboot? |
| 23:05.57 | uberdub | well, I dont have time to try it now, but I will tonight. |
| 23:06.13 | Hydroxide | uberdub: good luck! |
| 23:06.20 | uberdub | Yeah, Im gonna need it |
| 23:06.22 | uberdub | thanks |
| 23:06.33 | Hydroxide | elkingrey: coreboot.org lists information about what they claim to support |
| 23:06.44 | uberdub | if that doesnt work what then? |
| 23:07.04 | elkingrey | Hydroxide: Do you like coreboot or is there another free BIOS software you prefer? |
| 23:07.34 | Hydroxide | uberdub: my guess is it's just one or two problematic drivers, which can probably be unbound or unloaded before suspend and then undo that after resume. it's a hack but someone might be able to help you with it, and as I said, such things are needed on most OSes |
| 23:07.48 | Hydroxide | uberdub: anyway, try this first, it could work :) |
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| 23:08.27 | Hydroxide | elkingrey: I haven't made that change personally since I use a laptop as my main (personally owned) computer and coreboot doesn't support it. coreboot is the main free bios out there |
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| 23:08.45 | uberdub | I will, and Im hoping I dont have to write custom scripts to fix it, cause I havent written anything in decades |
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| 23:09.28 | Hydroxide | uberdub: sure. nothing large would be needed in any case. |
| 23:09.53 | elkingrey | Hydroxide: Do I have to scrap my current install of Debian in order to replace my BIOS software? Or can I simply switch to Coreboot without much hassle? |
| 23:10.26 | Hydroxide | elkingrey: your debian installation is unlikely to mind that switch :) |
| 23:10.27 | anisfarhana | Hello. |
| 23:10.29 | anisfarhana | Guess what? |
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| 23:10.35 | anisfarhana | I am in love with debian |
| 23:10.50 | elkingrey | Hydroxide: Thank you for all of your help! |
| 23:11.20 | uberdub | Im sure I can muddle through it with help, but wont be looking forward to it, if it comes to that. Anywho, thanks again for your input |
| 23:11.44 | Hydroxide | uberdub: nobody looks forward to this stuff :) good luck and you're welome. |
| 23:12.15 | uberdub | I guess it is worth it to be microsoft free |
| 23:13.24 | uberdub | Later OH- |
| 23:13.26 | uberdub | Hehe |
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| 23:24.58 | fejk | Which rss reader(CLI) do you use? |
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| 23:27.05 | zergion | I set up a proftpd server on my linux client, then I map a net drive on my windows machine. But when I edit the files the change don't go through. What could cause this? |
| 23:27.27 | rudi_s | fejk: rss2email, not really CLI, but youcan use your favourite CLI mail MUA to read it. |
| 23:28.27 | elkingrey | Does anybody know if there is a Debian version of fpaste? |
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| 23:30.26 | fejk | rudi_s: interesting approach, i will try that one for sure thank you :) |
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| 23:33.53 | Chelsea | Hi all, how do I resize a window, in Gnome3 fallback mode (RDP server)? |
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| 23:39.48 | rudi_s | fejk: np |
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| 23:46.38 | Vicissitude | you sure it's a sound file? googling makes me think it's an aspen graphics file (stock analysis software) |
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