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| 00:04.34 | Nirvash | When I use "visudo" I most typically add user ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL, but have been told this isn't correct as it creates a group for that user |
| 00:04.42 | Nirvash | Could someone tell me the proper way to add user to sudoers? |
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| 00:08.59 | alteregoa | why gay scouts are banned in USA? sounds like offtopic |
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| 00:24.36 | mooglenorph | Hi, is there a program that will let me quickly browse and operate on PDF's? |
| 00:24.41 | mooglenorph | Like geequie, but for pdf's |
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| 00:34.11 | LtL | Nirvash: user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 00:52.07 | Streusel | Hey there, any of you have any good program suggestions for network traffic statistics? |
| 00:52.44 | Streusel | I've read of iftop and ifstat but those were on bogus websites/blogs which doesn't really give me a hearty feeling |
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| 00:56.53 | Streusel | second question, I'm inside netstat -t -u -c, how do I quit it.. it doesn't accept q |
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| 01:00.27 | LtL | Streusel: try ctrl+c -or- ^C (same thing) |
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| 01:00.37 | Streusel | thanks |
| 01:00.53 | Streusel | finally |
| 01:00.54 | LtL | Streusel: welcome |
| 01:00.56 | Streusel | ctrl+c |
| 01:01.04 | Streusel | ugh, annoying beast |
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| 01:09.22 | mooglenorph | Is there any program that can go to the "next pdf in directory with the currently open pdf," as image viewers can? |
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| 01:10.15 | themill | mooglenorph: I've never seen a feature like that |
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| 01:10.43 | lduros | hi in squeeze is there a way i can install php 5.2 instead of 5.3? |
| 01:10.50 | lduros | i'm having issues on a site that requires 5.2 |
| 01:10.57 | lduros | and I don't need 5.3 really, so i'd like to replace it |
| 01:11.14 | lduros | i'm using it with apache |
| 01:12.11 | eriberto | lduros: try to get a PHP in old repository and install it using dpkg -i. |
| 01:12.21 | lduros | hmm |
| 01:12.32 | themill | lduros: not really. And any old unmaintained php will be so full of security holes you don't want to use it |
| 01:12.55 | themill | also, any PHP that doesn't run with 5.3 or 5.4 is probably also so full of security holes that you don't want to use it... |
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| 01:13.22 | eriberto | lduros, themill, really... |
| 01:14.05 | rjsalts | lduros: I agree with themill, but if you really must get an older version of php you could always look for it on snapshot.debian.org or archive.debian.org |
| 01:14.07 | eriberto | lduro: the best choice is update your site |
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| 01:14.56 | themill | (the last update of php5.2 was in 2010ish. Have a look at the number of CVEs that come after that https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/php5 ) |
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| 01:15.45 | rjsalts | sometimes you have to bite the bullet and spend some money/time on updating your code to run on a recent version of your chosen runtime |
| 01:15.59 | themill | or rewriting it in something more sane |
| 01:16.37 | rjsalts | it's why maintenance is still 90% of the cost of software |
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| 01:19.57 | rjsalts | my bad, 60-70% seems to be the figure most people are touting in the first page of google search results |
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| 01:22.10 | Inv1s1ble | So I'm just making an internal package for my company and I'm finding it hard to find examples of creating users/setting permissions within my deb package. I realize I need to do this in the postinst script, but I can seem to find any concrete examples of this |
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| 01:23.29 | rjsalts | Inv1s1ble: the permissions should remain the same as what's in the ar archive |
| 01:24.10 | Inv1s1ble | rjsalts, I need to create a user and assign some files to it....oh and some of the files need to be root as well |
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| 01:27.24 | rjsalts | Inv1s1ble: you'll have to create the user in the postinst with adduser |
| 01:28.11 | Inv1s1ble | rjsalts, is there an example postinst script with all the case statements in it? I'd also have to remove the user in case the package is removed right? |
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| 01:29.01 | val_erie | I would like to record audio from youtube to a digital recorder through usb. Most recorders mention only compatibility with PC and Mac. Is there a particular brand that is more compatible with linux ? |
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| 01:29.59 | Inv1s1ble | val_erie, not really. USB audio is a standard protocol. Almost all USB spearks/audio will work out of the box |
| 01:30.59 | val_erie | Inv1s1ble, thanks |
| 01:31.29 | Inv1s1ble | ah..found one, finally: http://download1.parallels.com/Plesk/Plesk8.3/Doc/en-US/plesk-8.3-unix-skin-guide/38251.htm |
| 01:32.07 | smw | Hi all, whenever I do sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.8-2-amd64/unstable, apt segfaults. What would you do to debug this? Each time I run the cmd, dmesg adds a [584988.830150] apt-get[13079]: segfault at 7f7e290e1488 ip 00007f7e28088659 sp 00007fff9b60a4c0 error 4 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7f7e28023000+127000] to the end |
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| 01:33.41 | petn-randall | smw: which release are you on? |
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| 01:33.52 | smw | petn-randall, wheezy |
| 01:34.40 | smw | petn-randall, I am running 3.8-1-amd64 from unstable and want the headers to go with it |
| 01:35.25 | gabedwrds | smw: I don't have an answer, but that's pretty impressive |
| 01:35.41 | smw | gabedwrds, that is my opinion :-) |
| 01:35.50 | gabedwrds | I suppose you could get a coredump and go over it and/or submit it as a bug |
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| 01:36.10 | smw | gabedwrds, I would need instructions on how to do that... |
| 01:36.29 | smw | ah, ulimit -c unlimited |
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| 01:36.43 | petn-randall | smw: So you're mixing wheezy and sid? That's probably the reason it's broken. |
| 01:36.55 | smw | petn-randall, I am mixing, but not much |
| 01:37.06 | petn-randall | smw: Can you paste your sources.list to http:/paste.debian.net |
| 01:37.10 | gabedwrds | an apt segfault is a bug in apt, end of story |
| 01:37.11 | petn-randall | , please? |
| 01:37.21 | smw | agreed gabedwrds :-) |
| 01:37.34 | smw | petn-randall, I will post my apt-policy |
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| 01:38.00 | gabedwrds | side note, I would reboot and make sure it still happens, to make sure it's not caused by stray neutrinos or whatnot |
| 01:38.10 | smw | gabedwrds, done already |
| 01:38.33 | smw | petn-randall, http://fpaste.org/14184/13693595/ |
| 01:39.02 | gabedwrds | does ulimit -c unlimited work? I've never tried it myself, but I had to look into it at work and I got the idea that a lot of modern distros make it complicated |
| 01:39.14 | smw | gabedwrds, yep, it worked |
| 01:39.23 | gabedwrds | ah, good |
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| 01:39.59 | smw | gabedwrds, just need to figure out how to submit a bug to debian |
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| 01:40.35 | gabedwrds | see if you can yell loud enough in here for an actual developer to hear :p |
| 01:40.46 | gabedwrds | I'd be a bit curious to take a look at the core dump myself |
| 01:41.09 | bwat47 | smw, sudo apt-get install reportbug, its an automated tool. you might have it installed already |
| 01:41.11 | smw | gabedwrds, once I figure out how to upload it, sure :-) |
| 01:41.18 | gabedwrds | (I'm not saying you have to talk to a dev or anything, I just like to collect as much info as possible before making bug reports) |
| 01:41.26 | dvs | smw: You're not suppose to use ftp.debian.org |
| 01:41.35 | comodo_dragon | ll |
| 01:41.52 | smw | dvs, what should I use? |
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| 01:42.29 | dvs | smw: Your closest mirror: ftp.xx.debian.org where xx is your country code. |
| 01:42.42 | bwat47 | dvs, pretty much any other mirror :) http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ always gives me good speeds (eastern us) |
| 01:42.43 | petn-randall | smw: Can you paste the output of 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l', too? |
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| 01:43.20 | bwat47 | smw, you can see a list of mirrors here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 01:44.17 | petn-randall | smw: You can also use the http.debian.net service, which will pick the closest mirror for you. |
| 01:45.13 | smw | petn-randall, ended up using mirrors.kernel.org which is what I used when installing it originally |
| 01:45.28 | Jeudi | I was using iotop -ob to monitor disk i/o. kjournald sometimes shows up in distinct isolation. I'm using noatime. Why would this be? |
| 01:45.56 | petn-randall | Jeudi: Journalling and atime are two distinctly different features. |
| 01:46.38 | petn-randall | Jeudi: If you have a journalling filesystem like ext3/4, btrfs, or xfs, you have journalling. |
| 01:46.40 | Jeudi | petn-randall: I realise that. But one explanation was that kjournald was responding to a disk read that resulted in an atime change. |
| 01:47.04 | petn-randall | Jeudi: Explanation by whom? |
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| 01:47.25 | Jeudi | someone on ##linux. |
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| 01:48.00 | petn-randall | smw: Can you paste the info I requested above, too? |
| 01:48.26 | petn-randall | Jeudi: I just think that's normal journalling happening there, unrelated to atime. |
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| 01:49.09 | smw | petn-randall, http://fpaste.org/14186/60136136/ |
| 01:49.21 | Jeudi | petn-randall: but there's no other disk activity _at all_ represented in iotop for a long time either side of the kjournald write. So what's it doing? |
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| 01:53.40 | smw | petn-randall, did that output give you insight? :-) |
| 01:54.04 | petn-randall | smw: Can also give me the output of aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' ? |
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| 01:54.34 | petn-randall | smw: Unless I find some libraries in the wrong version, it's time to get strace out :) |
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| 01:55.12 | smw | petn-randall, http://fpaste.org/14188/36936050/ |
| 01:55.36 | smw | petn-randall, I don't mix wheezy and unstable too much. For the most part, I am running wheezy |
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| 01:56.34 | petn-randall | smw: Ok then, it seems to genuinely be a bug in apt-get. Can you run "strace -ff apt-get <whatever segfaults on you>"? |
| 01:57.06 | smw | petn-randall, should I do this before or after submitting the bug? :-) |
| 01:57.56 | petn-randall | smw: Before |
| 01:58.59 | smw | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/6156/ |
| 01:59.13 | smw | petn-randall, oops, sorry |
| 01:59.50 | petn-randall | smw: We're collecting data, and if it's a bug, we'll provide all this info in the bug report, too :) |
| 01:59.52 | smw | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/6157/ |
| 02:01.24 | petn-randall | smw: Hmm, and 'dpkg --configure -a' and 'apt-get install -f' probably run without output? |
| 02:01.51 | petn-randall | smw: The first command configures any still pending packages, and the second command fixes any broken dependencies. |
| 02:02.00 | smw | petn-randall, nada |
| 02:02.03 | petn-randall | smw: Both cases usually should do nothing. |
| 02:02.46 | smw | petn-randall, everything else works, the only two package that don't are linux-headers-3.8-2-all-amd64 and linux-headers-3.8-2-amd64 |
| 02:04.02 | petn-randall | smw: I'm not quite sure why apt-get reads from /proc/meminfo before crashing ... |
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| 02:06.15 | petn-randall | smw: That seems to be normal. Just narrowing it down before we report the bug: if you comment out the other repos, does it work then? |
| 02:06.21 | petn-randall | (in sources.list) |
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| 02:06.25 | pjack30 | hid3, whats package |
| 02:06.29 | smw | petn-randall, which other repos? |
| 02:06.31 | pjack30 | which contain w, last and who utilities? |
| 02:06.35 | pjack30 | hi* |
| 02:06.47 | petn-randall | smw: All the others except sid. |
| 02:07.07 | petn-randall | smw: I'm curious if it's a memory problem or not. |
| 02:07.14 | pjack30 | hello, what debian package contains the following bash utilities: w,last,who ? |
| 02:07.45 | petn-randall | pjack30: dlocate will tell you. |
| 02:07.59 | petn-randall | pjack30: apt-get install dlocate, then 'dlocate <command>'. |
| 02:08.10 | smw | petn-randall, fastest apt-update ever :-) |
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| 02:08.34 | smw | petn-randall, nada |
| 02:08.44 | petn-randall | smw: Meaning? Still breaks? |
| 02:08.52 | smw | petn-randall, yes |
| 02:10.57 | petn-randall | smw: Ok, just to make sure that there's no disk corruption, can you install debsums and run "debsums -c"? |
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| 02:11.11 | gabedwrds | smw: google suggests rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin, if you want to try it |
| 02:11.27 | petn-randall | smw: That's the only other thing I can think of. If that looks fine, we'll wrap it up and report a bug. |
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| 02:11.52 | smw | gabedwrds, done that already |
| 02:11.53 | pjack30 | root@vpss:~# w |
| 02:11.54 | pjack30 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.54 | pjack30 | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 02:11.54 | pjack30 | root@vpss:~# who |
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| 02:11.58 | truexfan81 | i'm seeing "disk corruption" popup in here more and more often lately, is the becoming a common problem? |
| 02:12.03 | pjack30 | it won't tell :( |
| 02:12.51 | petn-randall | pjack30: The command itself won't tell, use 'dlocate <command>' as I said before. |
| 02:13.03 | pjack30 | yeah i used |
| 02:13.10 | pjack30 | itshowed nothing for /usr/bin/w |
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| 02:14.26 | petn-randall | truexfan81: My disks are fine :). Check the SMART data of the hdd. |
| 02:14.44 | tidux | @#$!@#$^%!@#ing nouveau X/kernel devs |
| 02:14.45 | petn-randall | pjack30: do a ls -l on that file. |
| 02:14.56 | truexfan81 | petn-randall: mine are fine too, was just saying that seems to be a common problem in this channel |
| 02:15.01 | tidux | whose brilliant idea was it to make the driver utterly broken if KMS support was missing in the hardware? |
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| 02:15.20 | pjack30 | oh ok |
| 02:15.23 | tidux | the old nouveau.modeset=0 hack doesn't work anymore |
| 02:15.25 | tidux | :| |
| 02:15.27 | pjack30 | after reinstalling coreutils and rebooting |
| 02:15.30 | pjack30 | i removed a rootkit |
| 02:15.40 | pjack30 | petn-randall, thank you |
| 02:15.53 | petn-randall | pjack30: What kind of rootkit did you have? |
| 02:16.27 | petn-randall | tidux: Don't blame the FOSS devs, blame nvidia for not releasing specs to their chips. |
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| 02:16.43 | pjack30 | i don't know exactly, but one guy posted this http://s7ick.org/papers/note_rkopenssl.htm |
| 02:16.46 | pjack30 | and i had same |
| 02:18.18 | petn-randall | pjack30: Ouch. I'd install from fresh media, just to be sure. |
| 02:18.58 | pjack30 | it's an dedicated server |
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| 02:19.44 | smw | petn-randall, I am going to post the bug now |
| 02:19.51 | smw | petn-randall, I am including the core dump and strace |
| 02:19.55 | smw | petn-randall, anything else? |
| 02:20.50 | petn-randall | smw: Do that. Also mention that you're running on wheezy and that you checked your installation with debsums for corrupt libraries. |
| 02:21.07 | smw | petn-randall, already mentioned that |
| 02:21.14 | smw | petn-randall, debsums isn't done yet... |
| 02:21.39 | smw | petn-randall, I need to leave soon, so if it doesn't hurry I will either submit it now or in a week |
| 02:22.10 | petn-randall | smw: Did rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin help? I'd backup those files first, though, to be able to reproduce the bug. |
| 02:22.22 | smw | petn-randall, that didn't help |
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| 02:23.00 | petn-randall | smw: Then I guess you can post the bug and hope for a timely fix :) |
| 02:27.12 | tidux | petn-randall: this hardware is from 2002 |
| 02:27.22 | tidux | it worked quite well without KMS for a long time |
| 02:27.29 | tidux | I think I even had xv support in Squeeze |
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| 02:27.50 | tidux | this is just shitty X driver development where they didn't care about supporting older hardware |
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| 02:28.24 | petn-randall | tidux: Feel free to improve the driver ... |
| 02:28.41 | tidux | that's not a bad idea actually |
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| 02:28.51 | orangey | Hello all! |
| 02:29.15 | orangey | Did debian ever use universe/multiverse? Or is this all the crack I'm smoking? |
| 02:29.33 | petn-randall | orangey: That's Ubuntu. |
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| 02:29.35 | tidux | orangey: "universe" and "multiverse" are just apt repo names |
| 02:29.43 | tidux | Debian uses "main" "contrib" and "non-free" |
| 02:29.55 | tidux | most everything you need is in "main" unless you're running weird hardware |
| 02:29.56 | orangey | petn-randall: I realize. But I have a very old debian installation that appears to have this language. |
| 02:30.02 | tidux | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope |
| 02:30.08 | tidux | what you have is a borked sources.list |
| 02:30.11 | orangey | ah |
| 02:30.22 | tidux | probably copied from an Ubuntu install |
| 02:30.35 | orangey | Odd. I don't recall that at all. |
| 02:30.50 | tidux | shrugs |
| 02:31.00 | tidux | either that or you had 'em tacked on trying to use Ubuntu packages from something |
| 02:31.07 | tidux | from way back when Ubuntu was still package-compatible |
| 02:31.21 | petn-randall | orangey: Paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net, then. |
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| 02:34.48 | genoskill | what is the purpose of this channel if there is already one at debian irc |
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| 02:35.57 | sawjig | genoskill, what purpose is there to websites that have content about debian other than debian.org? |
| 02:36.03 | orangey | petn-randall: probably no need. I just fixed it. |
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| 02:36.17 | orangey | it really only has two lines, the main line and the updates line |
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| 02:36.45 | genoskill | sawjig: to show off i guess |
| 02:36.58 | sawjig | genoskill, what? |
| 02:37.20 | petn-randall | genoskill: franchising ;). Seriously though, I think this channel had in its topic to go to the other channel, and it didn't work out and people still asked questions here. |
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| 02:43.48 | genoskill | petn-randall: isn't it possible to redirect them to the other channel when they join this one? |
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| 02:45.52 | uberdub | anyone tell me why im getting a 404? Do i have the url wrong? |
| 02:46.04 | uberdub | W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.166.43 80] |
| 02:46.51 | themill | uberdub: as described in the wheezy release notes and on backports.debian.org, that's the wrong URL for your sources.list |
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| 02:47.35 | uberdub | ok, where do I get the right one? |
| 02:48.25 | mayhew | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 02:49.09 | comodo_dragon | asdf |
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| 02:53.52 | genoskill | I have the following problem. An ext4 partition has 0 bytes of free space, I deleted some files but it is still with 0 bytes free (100% used). How can I free space on the disk then? |
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| 02:55.00 | ksuhku | genoskill, use some silly trash can you can recover "deleted" stuff from? |
| 02:55.14 | themill | or a log file that's eating as much space as it can |
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| 02:57.34 | yofun | err whats debians package manger? |
| 02:57.40 | yofun | its not apt-get eh |
| 02:57.41 | yofun | ? |
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| 02:57.51 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:57.57 | lenswipe | anyone know when debian will get a fancy lock screen? |
| 02:58.27 | sawjig | yofun, unless things changed in the new stable relsease apt-get or aptitude should work, but the preference has been for people to use aptitude |
| 02:58.38 | yofun | debian 6? |
| 02:58.46 | sawjig | 7 |
| 02:58.49 | yofun | im loged in as root and apt-get isnt a command |
| 02:59.00 | yofun | [root@yofun ~]# apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -bash: apt-get: command not found |
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| 02:59.28 | genoskill | ksuhku: I do not want to recover files, but to have available free space on the partition. |
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| 02:59.49 | sawjig | yofun, did your computer choke during an upgrade? |
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| 03:00.02 | yofun | no idea its a VPS |
| 03:00.13 | yofun | should i try reinstalling? |
| 03:00.15 | sawjig | yofun, is aptitude available? |
| 03:00.18 | yofun | no |
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| 03:00.28 | ksuhku | genoskill, it really was a suggestion to empty a silly trash can if you happen to use one |
| 03:01.02 | ksuhku | yofun, disk full? |
| 03:01.16 | yofun | it shouldnt be... |
| 03:01.22 | ksuhku | agreed! |
| 03:01.24 | yofun | i have 50GB its a VPS |
| 03:01.32 | ksuhku | do df -h |
| 03:01.35 | sawjig | yofun, is it partitioned strangely? |
| 03:01.52 | yofun | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/simfs 50G 694M 50G 2% / none 1.3G 4.0K 1.3G 1% /dev none 1.3G 0 1.3G 0% /dev/shm |
| 03:01.54 | sawjig | do you maybe not have /usr/bin mounted if it's a separate partition |
| 03:01.58 | uberdub | How do i know what mirror? |
| 03:01.58 | yofun | ops -_- |
| 03:02.05 | themill | lenswipe: perhaps you need to define "fancy". |
| 03:02.17 | sawjig | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:02.58 | uberdub | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ just says deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main How am I suppose to know what mirror? |
| 03:03.20 | yofun | http://paste.debian.net/6166/ |
| 03:03.36 | lenswipe | themill, like the gnome3 lock screen: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/lock.jpg |
| 03:04.06 | themill | uberdub: the same mirror as is in the rest of the sources.list should be fine. Use http.debian.net if in doubt |
| 03:04.34 | themill | lenswipe: gnome3 is already in debian. |
| 03:04.54 | lenswipe | themill, it is - but that lock screen isn't |
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| 03:05.50 | lenswipe | themill, i just get something that looks like this: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/nadia/mdm-switchuser.png |
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| 03:06.20 | lenswipe | themill, and furthermore my login screen looks like this: http://digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ubuntu-gnome3-1.jpg |
| 03:06.56 | lenswipe | themill, thoughts? |
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| 03:07.57 | themill | lenswipe: it might be a new version or a different package entirely or plugins loaded into the default ones. The general rule with screenshots is -- ask the person who made it what is running rather than other random people if they know what it is |
| 03:08.12 | uberdub | Hydroxide, you still around? |
| 03:08.41 | lenswipe | themill, that's the default gnome3 lock screens |
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| 03:09.02 | lenswipe | themill, or to put it another way - a piece of gnome3 appears to be missing (fedora did this as well and then shipped it in the next release) |
| 03:10.51 | yofun | what is the sudo add-apt-repository command package? |
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| 03:13.22 | sawjig | yofun, a wrapper to dump repos into your sources.list |
| 03:14.09 | sawjig | if you don't even have apt-get then.. |
| 03:14.24 | sawjig | yofun, ls /usr/bin/ and see if there's a ton of stuff in there |
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| 03:14.51 | yofun | i have apt-get now i reinstalled |
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| 03:16.10 | uberdub | Can anyone suggest a tutorial for upgrading to 3.8 kernel in debian? |
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| 03:20.37 | muddo | is there a preferred method for cloning one system's packages at the same version to another system? is apt-clone the best tool for this? |
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| 03:21.09 | subb1 | hi debian. |
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| 03:21.36 | subb1 | is a reboot required to activate a new hostname value in /etc/hostname? |
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| 03:25.13 | uberdub | where do I get eh debs for this package? http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-3.8-2-686-pae |
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| 03:27.13 | atula | I have some difficulties upgrading/updating after I upgrade to debian 7, here is the information I think you need to help me: http://dpaste.com/1197177/ |
| 03:27.15 | atula | thank you |
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| 03:27.29 | atula | (could someone help me figure this out?) |
| 03:27.45 | atula | I tried apt-get auto remove, that didn't help either |
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| 03:30.48 | themill | muddo: generally you don't worry about the specific versions, just the list of packages. /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 03:31.24 | themill | atula: does /usr/sbin/update-rc.d exist? |
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| 03:31.38 | atula | themill, I'm running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 03:31.43 | atula | things seem to be moving at least |
| 03:31.49 | atula | let see what happen next |
| 03:31.51 | blocky2 | so I just installed firefox 21 from the wheezy repository and i can't search from the address bar if my search string includes spaces |
| 03:32.22 | atula | themill, that didn't do it. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 17K Feb 7 19:26 /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 03:32.27 | muddo | themill: youre answering a different question |
| 03:32.50 | themill | muddo: I know. that's quite intentional. |
| 03:32.58 | uberdub | can anyone tell me where to find a howto on upgrading to sid kernel? |
| 03:33.11 | muddo | themill: thx for trolling |
| 03:33.23 | themill | atula: can you "su -" to become root rather than using sudo? |
| 03:33.29 | blocky2 | anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 03:33.51 | themill | muddo: there's a very good reason why you don't normally worry about the versions -- perhaps you can explain why you want to do that? |
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| 03:34.46 | atula | themill, okay, that fixed the whole x11-common thing |
| 03:35.11 | atula | themill, now I got one "these packages are being kept back" situation |
| 03:35.15 | uberdub | anyone? |
| 03:35.42 | uberdub | seems this should be pretty straight forward |
| 03:35.51 | Inv1s1ble | Arg! could someone please point me to a real example out there of what the useradd and userdel calls inside postinst and postrm files in a debian package should look like? |
| 03:35.53 | themill | atula: so apt-get upgrade completed successfully? You need to apt-get dist-upgrade now. BTW are you reading the release notes? You will also need to fix your /etc/sudoers. |
| 03:36.04 | uberdub | my package manager doesnt show any 3.8 kernels |
| 03:36.10 | atula | themill, aaaah that sounds like a real problem… |
| 03:36.13 | atula | I should read release note heh |
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| 03:36.27 | themill | dpkg: tell atula about sudo path |
| 03:36.40 | themill | Inv1s1ble: debian packages tend to use adduser not useradd; the user is normally not removed on package removal |
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| 03:36.54 | atula | thank you! |
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| 03:41.59 | atula | themill, oh gosh… GRUB failed to install on /dev/md0. am I screwed? |
| 03:42.41 | uberdub | Do I need the dsc to get the newer kernel, or does a deb exist? |
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| 03:57.46 | crenneler | I have a link in my /var/www/ to a directory in my home directory, but i get a Permission Denied when i go to localhost/jbrowse |
| 03:59.35 | themill | crenneler: symlinks aren't followed by apache in its default configuration |
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| 04:00.09 | crenneler | themill: i have the same thing working on a Centos box |
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| 04:29.36 | xinming | Anyone here knows how to compile a 64bit (amd64) kernel which is installable in a i386 debian installation? |
| 04:29.55 | truexfan81 | why compile? |
| 04:30.06 | truexfan81 | you can install one and then boot to it |
| 04:30.08 | xinming | truexfan81: Because I want to tweak the kernel config, |
| 04:30.14 | truexfan81 | oh |
| 04:30.14 | xinming | truexfan81: Or, learn how to compile |
| 04:30.42 | caf | have you tried using make-kpkg ? |
| 04:30.42 | truexfan81 | good luck, i never managed to compile a working kernel |
| 04:31.23 | xinming | caf: That's what i'm using now |
| 04:31.50 | truexfan81 | i had one down to 9MB lol when i tried to boot, it left me at a initramfs busybox prompt |
| 04:32.00 | xinming | I succeed with compiling 32bit kernel installable on 32bit system, amd64 kernel which is installable on 64bit system. |
| 04:32.12 | xinming | but I can't make a amd64 kernel which is installable on a 32bit debian installation |
| 04:32.20 | caf | the tricky bit is that you'll need a gcc and toolchain targetting x86-64 |
| 04:33.16 | xinming | caf: I want the reverse |
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| 04:33.46 | xinming | caf: I want to compile a 64bit kernel on a 64bit debian, But the compiled kernel will be used in 32bit debian installation |
| 04:34.12 | caf | a 64 bit kernel needs to be compiled with a 64-bit toolchain regardless of where it'll be installed |
| 04:35.04 | xinming | caf: Yes, The 64bit kerel is compiled |
| 04:35.12 | xinming | But when I try to install it on a 32bit system via dpkg -i |
| 04:35.25 | xinming | I got error which is something like "Arch doesn't match" |
| 04:35.30 | caf | yeah it creates a package of the wrong arch |
| 04:35.44 | xinming | eg, the pkg is for amd64, and the running system is 32bit |
| 04:35.47 | xinming | So, how to solve this? |
| 04:35.48 | crenneler | are you kidding? why are you even doing this? |
| 04:35.50 | caf | i can see why it's tricky |
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| 04:37.27 | xinming | crenneler: 64bit kernel is better than 32bit kernel, But 64bit userland is not better than 32bit userland when the system memory get only 1G |
| 04:38.11 | crenneler | xinming: no, the reasoning wrong. a larger kernel needs more memory |
| 04:38.25 | crenneler | *is |
| 04:38.38 | xinming | crenneler: only kernel large is not a big problem for me. |
| 04:38.45 | xinming | but I want user land to be stay in 32bit |
| 04:39.29 | crenneler | a 64bit kernel is larger than a 32 bit one xinming |
| 04:39.36 | xinming | well, ignore the debate on this please, Just want to know wether it's possible to do this. |
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| 04:39.42 | crenneler | no, it's not possible |
| 04:40.04 | crenneler | if yuou only have 1G of memory, you're better off using 32 bit everything |
| 04:40.24 | crenneler | there is no point in using a 64bit kernel if you have less than 4G of ram |
| 04:40.30 | truexfan81 | what about if he installed one from the repos, and booted it, could he compile and install a 64bit one from there? |
| 04:40.40 | caf | xinming: i can't test it right now, but have you tried --cross-compile i386 argument to make-kpkg ? |
| 04:42.46 | xinming | crenneler: to me, there is, I like 64bit kernel + 32bit userland, As I'll need to install a chroot using 32bit ABI for the system too. |
| 04:42.48 | caf | or maybe "--arch amd64 --cross-compile i386" |
| 04:42.54 | xinming | caf: Let me try again. |
| 04:43.05 | xinming | I did try these options, But doesn't seem to work well. |
| 04:43.20 | xinming | crenneler: A chroot with x32 ABI |
| 04:43.26 | caf | crenneler: that's not true, it's recommended to use the 64bit kernel for 2GB systems as well |
| 04:44.04 | crenneler | 64bit kernels are used to bypass the memory limitation of 32bit kernels when you have >3 GB memory |
| 04:44.28 | xinming | crenneler: That's one of the benefits |
| 04:44.34 | crenneler | xinming: you like it? why do you like it? that makes no sense |
| 04:44.36 | truexfan81 | pae kernels to that too but at a slight performance cost |
| 04:44.50 | truexfan81 | s/to/do |
| 04:44.52 | xinming | crenneler: X32 ABI |
| 04:45.11 | xinming | crenneler: X32 ABI, more registers accessable via kernel directly. |
| 04:45.12 | crenneler | you can't chroot to change from 32bit to 64bit |
| 04:45.22 | xinming | crenneler: X32 ABI, It's not 32bit |
| 04:45.36 | xinming | It's 64bit with 32bit pointers |
| 04:45.45 | caf | 32 bit kernels start running into inefficiencies at only 1GB of physical memory, because then you start getting into lowmem/highmem |
| 04:46.05 | freax | 1GB is enough for everybodyh |
| 04:46.07 | freax | -h |
| 04:46.18 | freax | it was enough for BF1942 |
| 04:46.28 | crenneler | caf: can you prove it? |
| 04:47.25 | caf | crenneler: the default user/kernel address space split in linux is 3GB/1GB and that's enough to show it |
| 04:47.41 | caf | alternately you can just look in /proc/meminfo on any 32bit system with more than 1GB of ram |
| 04:48.02 | crenneler | what would i see caf |
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| 04:48.36 | caf | you would see "HighTotal" greater than zero |
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| 04:51.03 | crenneler | so? |
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| 04:52.09 | crenneler | bbl |
| 04:52.09 | caf | so HIGHMEM is memory that the kernel can't directly access, it has to map it |
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| 04:53.51 | xinming | truexfan81: Sorry, I didn't see your reply, That makes things complex, I won't do it as everytime the kernel upgrades, I need to manually handle all the steps |
| 04:54.07 | truexfan81 | hmm ok |
| 04:54.22 | xinming | truexfan81: What I wish is, I hope I can compile a kernel package which can be installed on both amd64 and i386 system |
| 04:54.26 | caf | the kernel you have running won't make a difference anyway |
| 04:54.55 | truexfan81 | ah ok caf i didn't know how that worked, was just a idea that popped into my head |
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| 04:55.22 | xinming | caf: but 32bit kernel don't have x32 ABI support |
| 04:55.37 | xinming | caf: I wish to install a x32 ABI chrooot too |
| 04:55.58 | caf | i mean it won't make any difference to whether you can compiel the package you want |
| 04:56.48 | caf | you can't have one kernel image that will install on both, as far as i know - you'll have to create two kernel-image packages, one with Architecture: i386 and one with Architecture: amd64 (but both compiled as actual 64bit, amd64 kernels) |
| 04:57.49 | xinming | caf: Ok, How do achieve this? I mean, compile a 64bit kernel which can be installable on 32bit debian install? |
| 04:58.01 | xinming | I'm trying this, still not working ATM |
| 04:58.20 | xinming | make-kpkg --initrd --jobs 3 --cross-compile - |
| 04:58.25 | xinming | Now, trying with --cross-compile - |
| 04:58.52 | xinming | I don't use --cross-compile i386, But when I use cross-compile i386, I'll get i386-gcc not found kind of error |
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| 04:59.20 | rozie | xinming: it won |
| 04:59.45 | xinming | ? |
| 05:00.03 | rozie | xinming: it won't be 100% i386 kernel. it won't run on some prcessors and you may have issues with networking (tshark IIRC) |
| 05:00.10 | caf | xinming: --cross-compile isn't supposed to change the gcc it looks for |
| 05:01.45 | xinming | rozie: It's ok for me ATM, I manually booted a kernel I compiled. I don't have networking issues now |
| 05:02.13 | truexfan81 | manually booted? |
| 05:02.31 | xinming | truexfan81: I use the kernel compiled from gentoo. |
| 05:02.41 | truexfan81 | O.o |
| 05:02.49 | caf | you should be able to override the compiler selection anyway, by setting CC and/or GCC environment variables (sorry I can't test it from where i am right now) |
| 05:02.53 | xinming | and successfully boots the installed debian. |
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| 05:03.18 | caf | so if it's trying to find an i386-gcc, just point it back to gcc |
| 05:03.30 | rozie | IIRC you can just change processor type in kernel config |
| 05:04.52 | xinming | rozie: Not only that |
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| 05:05.21 | xinming | I'm still trying |
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| 05:05.43 | rozie | there used to be 64bit kernels in Debian repo |
| 05:05.58 | rozie | for i386. had you take a look? |
| 05:06.48 | xinming | rozie: Not yet. |
| 05:07.04 | xinming | Let me check |
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| 05:08.21 | xinming | rozie: Yes, |
| 05:08.26 | xinming | We have amd64 kernel in 32bit system |
| 05:08.30 | xinming | How are these packages compiled? |
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| 05:09.43 | rozie | I'm pretty sure they are compiled in 32 bit enviroment with 64 bit options in kernel config |
| 05:09.49 | rozie | but you can check |
| 05:10.09 | rozie | you can even build them from the source yourself |
| 05:11.21 | xinming | rozie: This is what I want to do. |
| 05:12.25 | xinming | It seems I still need a 32bit chroot on my faster computer |
| 05:12.31 | xinming | I'm trying bbl |
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| 06:06.25 | truexfan81 | sigh |
| 06:06.58 | truexfan81 | this is rediculus, why is it that every time i reboot i have to speed an hour fighting with alsa just to get sound on wheezy? |
| 06:07.10 | truexfan81 | s/speed/spend |
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| 06:08.29 | truexfan81 | alsamixer shows that alsa has defaulted to the correct device, and yet right now i can't get sound from anything |
| 06:08.51 | Knaldgas | You are not using pulseaudio? |
| 06:08.54 | peterrooney | I repeat myself: sound in the debian world is a broken, bloody corpse with pink fungus on the liver. |
| 06:09.04 | truexfan81 | no, pulseaudio has worse problems |
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| 06:09.13 | Knaldgas | Yeah... |
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| 06:09.42 | truexfan81 | Knaldgas: also pulseaudio has 0 support for s/pdif without a bunch of nasty hacks...pass |
| 06:09.54 | Knaldgas | agrees |
| 06:11.11 | peterrooney | ALSA is convinced my video card has speakers connected to it. |
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| 06:12.00 | themill | peterrooney: it probably can do |
| 06:12.06 | truexfan81 | right now i mean vlc doesn't even give an error, its just silent |
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| 06:13.05 | peterrooney | truexfan81: I use the index=-2 method to block its modules from loading first. |
| 06:13.22 | truexfan81 | peterrooney: the what? |
| 06:13.27 | peterrooney | truexfan81: what about aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/* |
| 06:14.10 | truexfan81 | that gives an error |
| 06:14.34 | truexfan81 | http://paste.debian.net/6191/ |
| 06:15.01 | peterrooney | truexfan81: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf I have "options snd_hda_intel index=-2" |
| 06:15.17 | peterrooney | that way the real sound card can grab index 1. |
| 06:15.30 | truexfan81 | oh i did that another way |
| 06:15.37 | truexfan81 | but in the same file |
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| 06:16.21 | truexfan81 | peterrooney: http://paste.debian.net/6192/ |
| 06:16.25 | truexfan81 | thats how i did it |
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| 06:18.31 | peterrooney | Huh. So aplay can't recognize a .WAV file? That's over my head. |
| 06:18.41 | truexfan81 | either way its not working, and i'm starting to think debian and my pc just can't get along sadly |
| 06:19.47 | truexfan81 | i despise ubuntu because of all the closed-source stuff, but it seems to be the only thing that will work with all the hardware in this thing |
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| 06:36.29 | switching | not sure if this is the best channel for this, but what is the best distro for an old xp compaq with .5 gb of 266ghz ram? (i think i have a gb of much faster ram lying around that might work with it). I'm between lubuntu and debian right now |
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| 06:38.23 | switching | basically why should i pick debian over lubuntu for an old pc |
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| 06:38.55 | emss | debian should be fine |
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| 06:39.08 | emss | you just might not want to install kde or gnome |
| 06:39.33 | switching | yah i am avoiding those |
| 06:39.33 | emss | what is lubuntu? |
| 06:39.40 | switching | light ubuntu |
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| 06:40.24 | emss | well debian has many packages and many of those are various window managers, desktop environments etc. |
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| 06:41.02 | emss | so just don't run kde/gnome maybe they would be ok, no idea |
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| 06:41.30 | switching | ok ty |
| 06:41.41 | tralala | switching, debian is lighter than ubuntu, but for a PC that old you might want to try a more cut down distro. It depends what you want to do with it. |
| 06:41.43 | emss | and you can still use gnome/kde applications without using the kde or gnome environment, i think |
| 06:41.50 | emss | not sure if that is still true with gnome 3 |
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| 06:42.22 | emss | tralala debian is not "light" enough? |
| 06:42.38 | emss | debian can be light or heavy just depends on the packages you install |
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| 06:43.38 | switching | tralala what cut down distros? |
| 06:43.40 | tralala | emss, debian comes with newer kernels that are quite bulky. There are distros out there still using 2.4 which depending on the use case might be good enough. |
| 06:43.54 | switching | emas what about just debian in its default state |
| 06:43.55 | emss | instead of gnome if you still want a desktop environment try maybe xfce |
| 06:44.18 | emss | i think debian in it's "default state" would install gnome |
| 06:44.26 | switching | oh really? |
| 06:44.46 | tralala | switching, debian comes with gnome3 by default, but you could do a base (naked) install that comes in text mode only. |
| 06:45.04 | tralala | from there you can inflate it as much as you need |
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| 06:46.10 | switching | what about lxde emss? |
| 06:46.22 | emss | that would probably be good too :) |
| 06:46.26 | switching | tralala i am a linux noob so probably not |
| 06:47.00 | switching | and it's worth nothing that there will be everyday computer users using it |
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| 06:47.23 | emss | oh, well you might not like having to customize your debian install if you are new to gnu/linux |
| 06:48.06 | switching | im assuming there is no GUI for the customization process :P |
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| 06:48.41 | emss | well there are gui's for installing packages |
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| 06:49.12 | switching | so the desktop environments install as packages? |
| 06:49.21 | emss | everything is a package |
| 06:49.27 | emss | package being a .deb |
| 06:49.53 | switching | i did know that second part i am not a complete noob |
| 06:50.01 | emss | :) |
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| 06:50.28 | switching | but i didnt know that it was a package, i thought it was built into the os |
| 06:50.40 | emss | during the install process you might have an opportunity to select xfce, lxde or something other than gnome/kde |
| 06:51.19 | emss | but you might need to use the advanced or expert or whatever install option and not the default install method to do that, not sure XD |
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| 06:51.29 | switching | would debian with lxde be lighter than lubuntu (which has lxde by default)? |
| 06:51.31 | Zharf | switching, the actual OS is quite small |
| 06:51.42 | truexfan81 | emss: you talking about the netinstall? |
| 06:51.45 | switching | emss got |
| 06:51.50 | switching | it |
| 06:52.00 | switching | zharf how small? :) |
| 06:52.09 | Zharf | and the actual OS is almost the same in all linux distros |
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| 06:53.01 | emss | truexfan81 is it not the same installer for any? netinst/cdrom/usb/dvd or whatever ? |
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| 06:53.29 | truexfan81 | emss: i don't know, i've only ever done the netinstall, mainly cause i hate gnome3 |
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| 06:53.57 | emss | the only differnce being if you get the cdroms/dvds you have the packages you need to install on those cdroms/dvds and do not need to download them during the install |
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| 06:54.14 | truexfan81 | but i know when booted on the netinstall disc, at the boot menu you go to the advanced options, and in there will be the option to pick lxde or xfce, etc |
| 06:54.18 | jelly-home | !install lxde |
| 06:54.18 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install lxde . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install". |
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| 06:54.44 | emss | switching there you go |
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| 06:54.56 | truexfan81 | that last sentence ^ |
| 06:55.02 | switching | ty emss |
| 06:55.18 | emss | thank jelly-home XD |
| 06:55.52 | switching | oh that's right i missed that, thanks jelly-home! |
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| 06:56.25 | emss | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 06:56.53 | hyper_ch | hi there, I have a strange occurence: when I ping a server in the lan on 10.0.0.5 it just works fine. However when I ssh into the server and run ifconfig, it shows as IP 10.0.0.142 |
| 06:57.02 | switching | alright i gtg but thanks everyone for the help! |
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| 06:59.22 | tralala | hyper_ch, it might have more than one IP or you might be ssh-ing to the wrong machine |
| 06:59.47 | hyper_ch | tralala: the machine is the same.. the reason I noticed this is because I have an openvpn server running on that machine |
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| 07:00.16 | hyper_ch | the logs in client and and server are fine... except no connection is being established becuase the 10.0.0.5 sends out from 10.0.0.42 which results in a mismatch |
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| 07:01.42 | hyper_ch | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/6207/ |
| 07:01.44 | k_sze[work] | Why is fatalerrors trying to DCC me a jpg? |
| 07:02.36 | fatalerrors | k_sze[work]: because my client is managing avatart |
| 07:02.50 | fatalerrors | and ask your client you have one via dcc |
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| 07:03.45 | tralala | hyper_ch, do you have iproute2 installed? |
| 07:04.15 | hyper_ch | tralala: no |
| 07:04.35 | hyper_ch | can't even find the package for it |
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| 07:05.02 | fatalerrors | k_sze[work]: that's happen often to kvirc users |
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| 07:05.15 | tralala | hyper_ch, my bad - the package is iproute |
| 07:05.41 | k_sze[work] | fatalerrors: yep, I'm on KVIrc |
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| 07:07.23 | hyper_ch | tralala: it is installed |
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| 07:08.17 | Kyshtynbai | Hi guys. I've migrated to debian wheezy from ubuntu and I've got a question: are there such thing as PPA in debian? I'd like to intall Umplayer (smplayer fork), but can't figure out how to do it else than complile from source. |
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| 07:08.30 | tralala | hyper_ch, what do "ip a" and "ip r" say? |
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| 07:09.03 | Guest35374 | hey, for some reason my rootfs got filled 100% by some bug... last time it happened to me it was when vnc made that problem and .xsession-errors file in my home dir filled the whole space |
| 07:09.10 | Guest35374 | i removed it, but still rootfs is full |
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| 07:09.19 | Guest35374 | i did df -h, and i got this : /dev/disk/by-uuid/21daea61-cca3-4675-b534-c6f569c46c5d 100% use |
| 07:09.23 | Guest35374 | what is this? |
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| 07:10.08 | tralala | Guest35374, .xsession-errors will be removed when all the processes writing to it are stopped. You might want to restart X for this to happen. |
| 07:10.40 | Gotiniens | inspircd on wheezy always want to create an pid file called "data/inspircd.pid". Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this an extremly stupid bug that somehow got slipped through? |
| 07:10.58 | ChrisH | Guest35374: HOW did you removed it? rm |
| 07:11.34 | Guest35374 | yea rm |
| 07:11.57 | jelly-home | Guest35374: the file is still opened. You'll have to log off, and log back on. |
| 07:12.17 | Guest35374 | ctrl + shift + backspace? |
| 07:12.29 | jelly-home | Guest35374: is disabled by default |
| 07:12.36 | jelly-home | !dontzap |
| 07:12.37 | dpkg | As of Squeeze, terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"). |
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| 07:13.36 | hyper_ch | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/6213/ |
| 07:13.38 | tralala | Guest35374, just log off from you WM menu |
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| 07:13.55 | Guest35374 | yea i logged off |
| 07:13.57 | Guest35374 | now what? |
| 07:14.09 | Guest35374 | disk still full, and i can't see the .xsession-errors file anymore |
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| 07:14.14 | zeeflo | can someone tell me what is going in when my server all of a sudden decides to make the system read-only ? |
| 07:14.50 | ChrisH | Guest35374: restart kdm/gdm and/or reboot if possible. If its still full, we will continue to assist you in searching. OK? |
| 07:14.51 | jelly-home | Guest35374: still full? Verify whether something still holds it open, lsof -n|grep deleted |
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| 07:15.23 | jelly-home | (do it as root) |
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| 07:16.22 | Guest35374 | what am i supposed to see there that might look funny? |
| 07:16.29 | hyper_ch | tralala: hmmm, somehow dhcp3-client, isc-dhcp-client got installed.. .are they causing the problems? |
| 07:16.32 | tralala | hyper_ch, so .5 is your secondary IP and the primary is .146 |
| 07:16.34 | zeeflo | anyone? |
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| 07:16.50 | jelly-home | Guest35374: /home/foo/.xsession-errors (deleted) |
| 07:17.05 | ChrisH | zeeflo: disk errors. check dmesg for indications on faulty disks |
| 07:17.11 | Guest35374 | yea i see uhmm a lot of them |
| 07:17.17 | hyper_ch | tralala: that machine only should have the ip 10.0.0.5 |
| 07:17.21 | zeeflo | sigh... |
| 07:17.28 | zeeflo | I knew I should not have used hetzner.de |
| 07:17.35 | tralala | hyper_ch, is network manager running? |
| 07:17.36 | zeeflo | theyre causing me nothing but trouble! |
| 07:17.40 | hyper_ch | zeeflo: hetzner is good |
| 07:17.48 | zeeflo | well not really |
| 07:17.49 | hyper_ch | tralala: no network manager... at least not installed |
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| 07:17.59 | Guest35374 | gdbus 6008 6020 kafka 1w REG 8,17 42379857920 1838097 /home/kafka/.xsession-errors (deleted) |
| 07:18.03 | hyper_ch | zeeflo: works fine for me for several servers for several years :) |
| 07:18.13 | zeeflo | they oversell their capacity, their hardware fails, their support is = 0 |
| 07:18.14 | ChrisH | zeeflo: faulty disk happen everywhere. |
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| 07:18.37 | hyper_ch | only have root servers @ hetzner |
| 07:18.46 | zeeflo | also, im apparently on a port in switch full of pirates.. |
| 07:18.47 | hyper_ch | no idea about shared/managed hosting with them |
| 07:18.50 | jelly-home | Guest35374: there you go, kill that process |
| 07:19.04 | zeeflo | Some times their net gets hammered so much with outbound traffic I cant reach mine.. |
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| 07:19.06 | tralala | hyper_ch, do you have local access to the server? |
| 07:19.07 | ChrisH | zeeflo: My experience with them is different. very professional support. We have customers haveing their production servers there. |
| 07:19.16 | Guest35374 | which one is it? |
| 07:19.20 | hyper_ch | tralala: no, not right now... |
| 07:19.21 | Guest35374 | 6008? |
| 07:19.23 | zeeflo | well.. Im most definately not very satisfied.. |
| 07:19.26 | hyper_ch | tralala: why? what needs to be done? |
| 07:19.27 | jelly-home | Guest35374: yes |
| 07:20.13 | Guest35374 | thing is, i have a list of 100 of processes |
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| 07:20.17 | Guest35374 | with that thing |
| 07:20.18 | hyper_ch | ChrisH: tech support at hetzner is good IMHO.... |
| 07:20.26 | zeeflo | We have streaming edge servers with them.. Gigabit servers, xeons and i7's. striped disk setups etc.. nevertheless we get complaints every single day that our streams gets interrupted.. Buffering issues etc.. |
| 07:20.29 | tralala | hyper_ch, take the interface down and up again. Since you have no console do in from a screen/tmux session |
| 07:20.32 | jelly-home | Guest35374: even after logging off the X session? |
| 07:20.38 | zeeflo | Im not too happy with hetzner these days! |
| 07:20.46 | Guest35374 | yea i logged off |
| 07:20.47 | hyper_ch | tralala: that's what I already tried |
| 07:20.50 | tralala | hyper_ch, with "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" |
| 07:20.59 | hyper_ch | tralala: ok.... |
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| 07:21.34 | jelly-home | Guest35374: kill them all. fuser -k /home/kafka/.xsession-errors |
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| 07:21.49 | hyper_ch | tralala: no joy http://paste.debian.net/6216/ |
| 07:21.52 | zeeflo | And so far we have not had a single complaint with our streaming servers in holland, hosted with Leaseweb |
| 07:22.00 | Guest35374 | hah |
| 07:22.02 | jelly-home | Guest35374: oh, that might not work after you've deleted it |
| 07:22.09 | Guest35374 | that worked... |
| 07:22.10 | Guest35374 | :) |
| 07:22.28 | Guest35374 | not that command |
| 07:22.32 | Guest35374 | i just killed all the processes manually |
| 07:22.38 | jelly-home | good |
| 07:22.39 | Guest35374 | from that lsof list |
| 07:22.57 | Guest35374 | jelly-home... you are constantly helping me :x |
| 07:22.59 | hyper_ch | tralala: problem only occured after updating to wheezy |
| 07:23.05 | jelly-home | Guest35374: I'll stop now! |
| 07:23.07 | Guest35374 | you saved me last time with that 3ware controller thing.. |
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| 07:23.14 | Guest35374 | with the irq.. |
| 07:23.20 | Guest35374 | it's workign stable so far since then |
| 07:23.24 | Guest35374 | *working |
| 07:24.01 | jelly-home | it's hard to say who "Guest35374" is, tho |
| 07:24.18 | Guest35374 | yea |
| 07:24.19 | Guest35374 | heh |
| 07:24.38 | tralala | hyper_ch, are you sure that your interfaces file is OK? In your paste it seems that the eth0 settings' lines are not indented properly (I'm not sure if this is an issue). |
| 07:24.49 | F_Kafka | :) |
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| 07:25.11 | hyper_ch | tralala: properly indented? I have interface files without indentations |
| 07:25.14 | hyper_ch | should I try that? |
| 07:25.19 | F_Kafka | good day to you jelly |
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| 07:26.03 | tralala | hyper_ch, it can't hurt |
| 07:26.03 | hyper_ch | tralala: even with indentation still same |
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| 07:27.12 | hyper_ch | tralala: but where does it get the ip .146 from.... oh well, will go there tomorrow and check it out |
| 07:27.17 | tralala | hyper_ch, I'm worried about the messages you get from ifup. Are you sure there's no network manager? Maybe something else that auto configures eth0? |
| 07:27.53 | tralala | any dhcp clients running? |
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| 07:28.25 | hyper_ch | tralala: how to find out about dhcp-clients? http://paste.debian.net/6217/ |
| 07:28.56 | tralala | pgrep, ps, pstree |
| 07:29.17 | hyper_ch | ps aux | grep dhcp |
| 07:29.19 | hyper_ch | root 22343 0.0 0.0 4352 784 pts/1 S+ 09:29 0:00 grep dhcp |
| 07:29.22 | tralala | maybe you need to take the tunnels down before you restart the interface |
| 07:30.00 | hyper_ch | tralala: tried taking tunnels down before, same result |
| 07:30.41 | tralala | it this a VM? |
| 07:31.02 | hyper_ch | no |
| 07:31.07 | hyper_ch | dedicated |
| 07:31.32 | tralala | any special server management BIOS stuff? |
| 07:32.30 | hyper_ch | tralala: not at all... as said, before the upgrade to wheezy, all was fine |
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| 07:36.54 | tralala | hyper_ch, try to find out what's going on in the logs, maybe reload the nic module. Make sure that you have the correct nic module installed. Something might have changed there between the kernel releases. |
| 07:36.56 | OpenTokix | Anyone have suggestions how to get skype to install? - It depends on some 32-bit qtlib that seems to refuse to be installed due to "held packages" but dpkg -l show no held packages. |
| 07:38.04 | ChrisH | !skype |
| 07:38.04 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its restrictive license and is therefore not supported in #debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64>, <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using a free software alternative such as <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi> or <linphone>. |
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| 07:38.42 | freax | I've got an interesting web application |
| 07:38.48 | freax | which needs some advice from you fine fellow |
| 07:38.52 | freax | s |
| 07:38.57 | psichas | yup cicrosft and spies all users |
| 07:39.04 | psichas | by skype |
| 07:39.15 | freax | I would like the end web user to be presented with a terminal window which is SSH but acts like a telnet server |
| 07:39.29 | freax | and to have an account on the server |
| 07:39.42 | freax | or, failing that, just a telnet server |
| 07:39.51 | freax | for a bbs |
| 07:40.03 | freax | does anyone remember package names for a linux based bbs system? |
| 07:40.21 | b0lt | a bulletin board system system? |
| 07:40.41 | hyper_ch | tralala: will do so tomorrow... thx this far |
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| 07:40.57 | freax | yes |
| 07:41.00 | b0lt | freax: what do you mean "acts like a telnet server"? |
| 07:41.13 | freax | I'll give you an example |
| 07:41.50 | freax | apt-get install telnet |
| 07:41.52 | freax | then type telnet bbs.dmine.net |
| 07:42.25 | freax | I would like to run a seperate ssh deamon |
| 07:42.42 | freax | specifically for this task |
| 07:42.43 | OpenTokix | I am running ipvs on a debian system. - I have a fin_timeout of 2, but ipvs dont seems to respect that but keep TIME_WAIT packages fo 120s - anyone know why ipvs don't respect my fin_timeout-value? Or is there some other sysctl-value for ipvs TIME_WAIT stuff? |
| 07:42.47 | freax | one for administration (ie me) |
| 07:42.51 | freax | and one for end users |
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| 07:43.20 | ChrisH | freax: telnet cannot to a sshd and vice-versa. |
| 07:43.29 | freax | damn |
| 07:43.34 | freax | is there an encrypted telnet solution then? |
| 07:43.47 | ChrisH | freax: its called ssh |
| 07:43.55 | freax | now you see my conundrum |
| 07:44.17 | b0lt | freax: hack the ssh daemon to not use any authentication, and run a program that's your bbs thing when you connect? |
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| 07:44.47 | freax | no |
| 07:44.50 | freax | i would like encryption |
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| 07:44.58 | freax | i would like a telnet server with encryption, thats the end goal |
| 07:45.01 | ChrisH | I still do not understand what you want to do. Telnet or ssh via a wensession does not really work until you put a big box around like Sun Secure global desktop or citrix stuff. |
| 07:45.02 | Johnston | anyone have an idea on how to apt-get install postfix without it asking any questions and still setting the hostname? |
| 07:45.16 | freax | or i would like to run a seperate ssh deamon |
| 07:45.17 | b0lt | freax: you'd still have that... |
| 07:45.26 | b0lt | freax: i said disable authentication, not encryption |
| 07:45.30 | freax | AH |
| 07:45.31 | freax | ok |
| 07:45.34 | freax | sorry |
| 07:45.35 | freax | ty |
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| 07:47.20 | crazyNeo | hello |
| 07:47.25 | crazyNeo | folks |
| 07:47.37 | b0lt | !greet crazyNeo |
| 07:47.37 | dpkg | Hi there, crazyNeo |
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| 07:47.53 | crazyNeo | i have a problem installing ia32-libs package in x86_64 architecture |
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| 07:48.06 | crazyNeo | hello b0lt |
| 07:48.08 | b0lt | !error message |
| 07:48.09 | dpkg | If you get an error message and find that to be very annoying, how about telling us what error message you get? Stop saying "I get an error", or try pasting the error message in google. very often, you'll find the answer you're looking for there |
| 07:48.54 | babilen | crazyNeo: You shouldn't need that package anymore as wheezy supports multiarch. In fact the ia32-libs package is a metapackage that just depends on the i386 packages in question directly. You have to have i386 enabled to be able to install it though. |
| 07:49.00 | crazyNeo | it says the dependency is ia32-libs-i386 |
| 07:49.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell crazyNeo -about multiarch |
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| 07:49.08 | crazyNeo | which is not installable |
| 07:49.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell crazyNeo -about bat |
| 07:49.12 | crazyNeo | thanks babilen |
| 07:49.15 | F_Kafka | question, i have a vncserver running on my desktop, i manually logged off my last xsession, now when i try to log remotely to my desktop i can't do anything there until i manually log into the x enviornment (unlike ssh), is there anything i can do it via ssh? or enable some option so i won't have to manually log in everytime? |
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| 07:58.39 | F_Kafka | question, i have a vncserver running on my desktop, i manually logged off my last xsession, now when i try to log remotely to my desktop i can't do anything there until i manually log into the x enviornment (unlike ssh), is there anything i can do it via ssh? or enable some option so i won't have to manually log in everytime? |
| 07:58.50 | F_Kafka | (sorry i accidently departed the channel and didn't see if anyone responded |
| 07:58.51 | F_Kafka | ) |
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| 08:01.03 | ksuhku | F_Kafka, nobody replied |
| 08:01.07 | F_Kafka | oki |
| 08:01.18 | oohsilver | hey wheezy friends |
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| 08:01.45 | ksuhku | ohai |
| 08:01.47 | psichas | i'm squeeze :D |
| 08:01.59 | oohsilver | hello to you too |
| 08:02.33 | b0lt | sarge here. atteeeeeeeeeeeeeeention! |
| 08:02.33 | oohsilver | say, would anyone have experience installing e17 on debian? |
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| 08:05.55 | F_Kafka | e17 doesn't look so impressive |
| 08:06.38 | emss | F_Kafka why? |
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| 08:07.02 | F_Kafka | from screenshots i've seen.. |
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| 08:07.07 | F_Kafka | gnome looks better.. |
| 08:07.15 | babilen | oohsilver: There is a e17 package in both jessie and sid - you might be able to backport it by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 08:07.22 | emss | enlightenment is supposed to be lightweight |
| 08:07.46 | emss | and it's themeable |
| 08:07.54 | F_Kafka | but anyhow, i don't use my debian as a desktop |
| 08:07.58 | F_Kafka | so i don't care actually |
| 08:08.13 | babilen | So .. don't weigh in then :) |
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| 08:08.44 | F_Kafka | uhmm... do you find linux to be a better desktop than windows? |
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| 08:09.15 | F_Kafka | i'm talking about the stability |
| 08:09.29 | Zharf | they're both crap |
| 08:09.34 | F_Kafka | and the need of doing simple things quick and bugfree... such as playing files and browsing |
| 08:09.39 | Zharf | but crap in different areas |
| 08:09.59 | Zharf | bugfree... hahah |
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| 08:10.04 | F_Kafka | X enviornment crashes way more often than windows does.. |
| 08:10.24 | emss | F_Kafka X should not be crashing |
| 08:10.29 | F_Kafka | each time i've installed a defualt x enviornment , even without modifying anything, within few weeks i started getting weird errors |
| 08:10.40 | aswen | F_Kafka, I am a very happy linux (deb7) desktop (i3wm) user for years now |
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| 08:11.03 | aswen | i3 for a little less than a year, gnome before that and kde before that |
| 08:11.05 | alteregoa | F_Kafka, i am looking for Friedrich Duerrenmatt |
| 08:11.08 | b0lt | F_Kafka: I'm running awesome VM, and do most of my programming in a console. Nothing ever crashes here. My work desktop is approaching a half a year x session |
| 08:11.26 | F_Kafka | that's good for you... |
| 08:11.32 | emss | F_Kafka do you want debian to automatically log into your desktop when it starts up? |
| 08:11.32 | F_Kafka | i don't know why i'm the only one having bad experience with it |
| 08:11.38 | b0lt | F_Kafka: just saying it doesn't crash if you set it up right |
| 08:11.46 | b0lt | F_Kafka: ..and don't have hardware issues |
| 08:11.50 | aswen | and in terms of stability I can say i am very very happy with linux desktop |
| 08:11.51 | F_Kafka | but anyways i can't change my desktop becasue i have high-end soundcard that just wouldn't work in linux |
| 08:11.57 | emss | F_Kafka i'm talking about the question you asked |
| 08:12.17 | alteregoa | your drivers may not work |
| 08:12.20 | Zharf | X doesn't really crash much, crashing apps that run on it might appear as crashing X |
| 08:12.40 | Zharf | or it's a hardware issue |
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| 08:12.40 | babilen | recommends to move the social talk about Linux and Debian to #debian-offtopic and focus on support in here |
| 08:12.42 | sawjig | F_Kafka, you could just disconnect from your VNC session and leave yourself logged in.. |
| 08:12.49 | alteregoa | but there are ASIO drivers for any *nix, and if they don't provide drivers for *nix, its not high-end |
| 08:13.03 | F_Kafka | heh |
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| 08:13.14 | Zharf | alteregoa, huh? |
| 08:13.14 | b0lt | F_Kafka: which sound card is this? i've used asus xonar's, m-audio audiophiles and several external dacs on linux at home |
| 08:13.27 | alteregoa | asus is not high end, its blarg |
| 08:13.36 | F_Kafka | there isn't a decent SAW applicaiton for linux so what's the point of having a high-end soundcard plugged into it? |
| 08:13.39 | oohsilver | @babilen: what you mean "/msg dpkg ssb" I've never seen that before |
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| 08:13.43 | babilen | F_Kafka: Please provide the respective "lspci -nn" line for your soundcard (or the equivalent "lsusb" one) |
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| 08:13.52 | F_Kafka | i use RME UFX |
| 08:13.57 | sawjig | F_Kafka, Ardour is supposedly pretty decent. |
| 08:13.59 | alteregoa | m-audio OK or something like this i used for years |
| 08:14.00 | ksuhku | wtf is saw |
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| 08:14.07 | F_Kafka | i meant DAW |
| 08:14.13 | ksuhku | ah |
| 08:14.15 | b0lt | alteregoa: xonar is a decent balance between 7.1 support, which i need, eax and good music quality |
| 08:14.17 | babilen | oohsilver: I mean: Sent a private message "/msg" to our bot (dpkg) with the content "ssb" -- That will cause the bot to tell you about "ssb" which is short for "simple sid backport" |
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| 08:14.22 | alteregoa | i can tell you, darmok and jalad never used creative soundcards |
| 08:14.26 | F_Kafka | RME UFX costs about 2500euro |
| 08:14.36 | mj-meo-dmt | Hello everyone |
| 08:14.50 | Zharf | F_Kafka, reaper, renoise, ardour... but I still prefer to use them on windows because of native instruments vsts :p |
| 08:14.59 | F_Kafka | heh |
| 08:15.01 | alteregoa | i just ask myself about EAX, this is for gaming thingies, can't see any relation to high-end |
| 08:15.02 | F_Kafka | vst's in general |
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| 08:15.10 | F_Kafka | just not meant for linux yet |
| 08:15.26 | mj-meo-dmt | guys after a install i get this. error attempt to read or write outside of disk hd0 |
| 08:15.27 | Zharf | audio and video production just sucks on linux.. |
| 08:15.31 | F_Kafka | and i do mostly modular-synthesis, and there's just no decent platform for linux |
| 08:15.36 | oohsilver | thank you ! |
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| 08:15.46 | babilen | F_Kafka: Okay, I would recommend to focus on actual support in here. emss tried to follow up on your initial question about VNC, but you don't seem to have answered that question. Please provide actual information if you want to work on your soundcard instead. |
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| 08:16.07 | alteregoa | i am a musican, i do music like oöphoi |
| 08:16.11 | emss | F_Kafka i think there are professional sound / video editing workstations using linux but they are very expensive |
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| 08:16.17 | b0lt | alteregoa: eax is for gaming, yes. it's definitely a requirement for high-end sound as far as home entertainment goes. if you simply want high quality stereo sound, you don't want a sound card at all. you push all of that crap away from all the noise and into an external dac |
| 08:16.26 | babilen | F_Kafka: If you already know that you cannot work on Linux with your sound hardware (or that the software you require for work is not running on Linux) then lets just move on and drop the issue. |
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| 08:16.40 | F_Kafka | issue dropped. |
| 08:16.45 | F_Kafka | so back to vnc server |
| 08:17.09 | F_Kafka | let's say i rebooted my machine, if i haven't logged on manually in the log on screen, i can't seem to use vnc server |
| 08:17.09 | babilen | But lets please drop the meta talk. There is no point in pursuing this in the support channel (feel free to knock yourself out in #debian-offtopic) |
| 08:17.14 | F_Kafka | it will just give me a locked session |
| 08:17.31 | babilen | Which VNC server is that? |
| 08:17.38 | F_Kafka | uhmmm |
| 08:17.40 | F_Kafka | 1 moment |
| 08:17.50 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 08:17.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 08:18.27 | alteregoa | a bridge crashed over troubled water |
| 08:18.28 | babilen | oohsilver: Did you manage to "talk" to our bot? |
| 08:18.30 | F_Kafka | vncserver -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 |
| 08:18.32 | F_Kafka | i dunno just that |
| 08:18.37 | F_Kafka | i guess default vncserer from apt-get |
| 08:18.40 | F_Kafka | *vncserver |
| 08:18.55 | oohsilver | babilen: yes i am reading about backports right now |
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| 08:19.02 | babilen | oohsilver: Wonderful |
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| 08:19.20 | b0lt | alteregoa: ? |
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| 08:19.34 | alteregoa | yeah somewhere on the news |
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| 08:19.49 | babilen | F_Kafka: What does "which vncserver" give you? |
| 08:19.52 | b0lt | network bridge? |
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| 08:20.15 | alteregoa | yes, part of a road network |
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| 08:20.28 | F_Kafka | /usr/bin/vncserver |
| 08:20.32 | babilen | alteregoa: I don't quite see how "a bridge crashed over troubled" water is in any way relevant to this channel. Would you mind enlightening us? |
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| 08:20.58 | alteregoa | no its offtopic, its to much real-life |
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| 08:21.33 | babilen | alteregoa: Then please refrain from it, merci |
| 08:21.45 | alteregoa | yeah je suis triste |
| 08:21.57 | babilen | F_Kafka: What does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/vncserver" give you? |
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| 08:22.11 | uberdub | Hi babilen |
| 08:22.23 | F_Kafka | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 May 11 00:46 /etc/alternatives/vncserver -> /usr/bin/tightvncserver |
| 08:22.41 | F_Kafka | tight :) |
| 08:22.45 | uberdub | squeeze finally outdated...time to sort the suspend issues |
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| 08:25.01 | tgs3_ | I have unattended-upgrades, but yet all this DSA x libraries exploits where not fixed by upgrading X libs untill I manually did aptitude safe-upgrade why?! |
| 08:26.18 | tgs3_ | aboman uh maybe you know? this seems important |
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| 08:27.55 | F_Kafka | babilen are you still here? |
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| 08:30.20 | babilen | F_Kafka: So, did you configure tightvnc to start a desktop environment/window manager of your choice? IIRC this is done in ~/.vnc/xstartup but I haven't used tightvnc in ages. |
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| 08:33.17 | F_Kafka | uhmmm... in a way i don't want it to create a new session but to join an existing session |
| 08:33.33 | F_Kafka | isn't there a way using ssh perhaps to make my session to log in? |
| 08:35.10 | OpenTokix | F_Kafka: you can attach yourself to a running x11 with x11vnc |
| 08:35.13 | OpenTokix | remotly |
| 08:35.52 | F_Kafka | OpenTokix, does it require me to initialy log in manually after reboot? |
| 08:36.14 | OpenTokix | F_Kafka: probably, - I dont reboot much =) |
| 08:36.29 | F_Kafka | yea me neither... but still i wouldn't want to be depended on it |
| 08:36.35 | babilen | F_Kafka: If you want to attach to a running session then, naturally, a session has to be running |
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| 08:36.47 | babilen | (hence yes) |
| 08:36.55 | sawjig | OpenTokix, if he makes his system automatically login on reboot and has x11vc in his startup then sure. |
| 08:37.04 | F_Kafka | well it would've been nice if it could've just attach me to the log on screen |
| 08:37.06 | OpenTokix | sawjig: yeah |
| 08:37.21 | F_Kafka | like windows RDP does |
| 08:37.26 | b0lt | F_Kafka: nothing *requires* you to log in. you can use something like rungetty to log in for you, and have your login scripts start X. i do it on my laptop because it has full drive encryption at boot anyway, and when i've entered that password i don't want another one once it's booted |
| 08:37.29 | babilen | F_Kafka: So you don't want to attach to a running session, but be shown the display manager? |
| 08:37.32 | sawjig | The other thing is just have an ssh script.. |
| 08:37.38 | oohsilver | @ babilen so i added deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main to sources.list |
| 08:37.44 | sawjig | start up the vnc when you go to create your tunnel |
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| 08:38.03 | babilen | oohsilver: Err, no ... That is not it. Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 08:38.13 | oohsilver | 7 |
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| 08:38.47 | sawjig | (you should really be tunneling you VNC connection through SSH) |
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| 08:39.04 | F_Kafka | babilen, is the log on screen is not a part of a session? |
| 08:40.28 | babilen | oohsilver: Okay, you don't want squeeze-backports then, but wheezy-backports. If you want to backport packages from sid you have to add a deb-src line for *sid* ... Use a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/6222/ |
| 08:40.30 | sawjig | F_Kafka, you can with x11vnc get the local login manager and control the local X session that you would normally use if you sat down infront of the computer, but tightvnc creates a 'separate' instance that's not the same as the local X if you were sitting down in front of it. |
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| 08:41.35 | F_Kafka | oki then i'll install x11vnc :) |
| 08:42.32 | babilen | F_Kafka: No, you can take a look at /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/ and the README.inetd in particular -- Other VNC servers might make this easier for this. In particular read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.remote-login.html |
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| 08:43.40 | F_Kafka | ** If NO ONE is logged into an X session yet, but there is a greeter login |
| 08:43.40 | F_Kafka | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.40 | F_Kafka | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.40 | F_Kafka | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.40 | babilen | F_Kafka: tightvnc simply creates additional instances ... If you configure it to "-query localhost" it (IIRC, it's been a while) will show you the display manager, but I am not too sure about this. x11vnc might have a different approach. |
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| 08:43.50 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 08:45.43 | debianN00b | hi |
| 08:46.00 | debianN00b | There is no kompozer package? |
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| 08:46.24 | F_Kafka | oki it worked with running x11vnc as root :) |
| 08:47.33 | debianN00b | is there any software like kompozer for web design? |
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| 08:48.37 | F_Kafka | oki it crashed after some time |
| 08:49.11 | oohsilver | so i added sid to my sources.list file and ran apt-get update |
| 08:49.21 | oohsilver | but it's still unable to locate e17 package |
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| 08:50.07 | tgs3_ | where is #debian-security ? |
| 08:50.25 | jelly | tgs3_: irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
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| 08:53.54 | AimHere | debianN00b, kompozer seems to have been removed from debian, probably because the maintainer stopped bothering. bluefish seems to do a similar job; I tend to use 'apt-cache search <foo>' when hunting for debian programs that do what I want |
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| 08:55.34 | jelly | ,v e17 |
| 08:55.35 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.16.999.70492-2; sid: 0.16.999.70492-2 |
| 08:55.48 | jelly | oohsilver: should be there... |
| 08:56.06 | jelly | not that mixing sid and anything older is a good idea |
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| 08:58.20 | sawjig | jelly, as long as you pin it is generally fine in my experiences. |
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| 08:59.11 | babilen | oohsilver: Do you use the sources.list I gave you? |
| 08:59.31 | Iridos | oohsilver, didn't you read the "ssb" factoid babilen referred you to? backporting yourself == recompiling yourself for your own distro |
| 08:59.34 | Iridos | version |
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| 09:00.03 | F_Kafka | sawjig, was it you who told me to use x11vnc? |
| 09:00.36 | babilen | oohsilver: And yes, do *not* add sid binary repositories, but backport the package explicitly by following the procedure in "/msg dpkg ssb" -- You really don't want to mix wheezy and sid. |
| 09:00.40 | sawjig | F_Kafka, yes. |
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| 09:01.00 | sawjig | F_Kafka, did you invoke it with -forever -bg? |
| 09:01.14 | babilen | oohsilver: The sources.list I paste at http://paste.debian.net/6222 enables you to do just that. |
| 09:01.23 | F_Kafka | what does -forver -bg does? |
| 09:01.32 | F_Kafka | forever |
| 09:01.52 | jelly | sawjig: generally you lose any security upgrades for libc6 and other oft used dependencies |
| 09:03.07 | F_Kafka | oki i get what it does |
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| 09:03.17 | F_Kafka | uhmm, 1 more question, how can i edit it's geometry? |
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| 09:03.40 | sawjig | jelly, oh well there are no security updates for testing/sid right? So that's a given of using testin/unstable? |
| 09:03.50 | jelly | sawjig: correct |
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| 09:07.25 | Iridos | F_Kafka, I think you'd be better off running a vncserver as your user that you can connect to. connecting to the login screen with x11vnc has a very hackish feel to it.... and it means you got to run x11vnc as root which seems like something one should avoid (specially when it's as easily done as here) |
| 09:07.28 | sawjig | F_Kafka, xrandr should work for you. |
| 09:07.30 | F_Kafka | question, if i tell /etc/rc.local to run a command on startup, will it do it under root? what if i want it to run by a specific user? |
| 09:07.54 | sawjig | Iridos, he wants his local X Session. |
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| 09:08.58 | Iridos | sawjig, not exactly <F_Kafka> well it would've been nice if it could've just attach me to the log on screen <F_Kafka> like windows RDP does |
| 09:09.10 | Iridos | he wants things to be as they're under windows |
| 09:09.29 | F_Kafka | right.. |
| 09:09.30 | Iridos | and that's stupid, because things aren't as they are under windows and so you end up hacking something horrible together |
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| 09:09.39 | ueb | hi everybody |
| 09:09.41 | sawjig | Iridos, :P |
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| 09:10.02 | ueb | I'm trying to configure Dovecot with MySQL auth |
| 09:10.17 | Iridos | and then people shout "it works so well under windows, but linux is crap" |
| 09:10.25 | sawjig | as far as I know x11vnc is the only thing that gives you the local X login. |
| 09:10.26 | ueb | I did it some days ago, with Dovecot 1, and it worked |
| 09:10.32 | F_Kafka | Iridos, but i tihnk that x11vnc tells me that there is an option to do it without root |
| 09:10.35 | sawjig | Iridos, if you know how to do that with tightvnc it's news to me. |
| 09:10.36 | oo_miguel | I have a Samsung CLX 3175FN Printer on my network and wonder how I can print from linux. Never managed to set up printing under linux before. Where should I start? |
| 09:10.38 | ueb | now that I'm trying Dovecot2, it does not work |
| 09:10.53 | ueb | anybody here has got experience with Dovecot2 ? |
| 09:11.18 | Iridos | sawjig, it is... but I've read the backlog and I don't see any benefit of having an Xorg server running |
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| 09:12.57 | sawjig | shrugs |
| 09:13.16 | Iridos | shrugs and dislocates a shoulder in the process |
| 09:13.32 | F_Kafka | uhmm |
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| 09:14.02 | F_Kafka | alternately, i can run it as root, log in, kill it, and run it as user |
| 09:14.04 | F_Kafka | :) |
| 09:15.19 | F_Kafka | Iridos, i can tell /etc/rc.local to run it on startup as root, a guy that wold try to hack would get into my log on screen (he needs to know the password doesnt he? same as SSH... |
| 09:15.44 | sawjig | you should never be using VNC without tunneling it in SSH |
| 09:16.01 | Iridos | sawjig, actually, there's a 2nd one, that can apparently do it. Saw it one somebody elses machine... Gnome on 'buntu seems to start it more or less by default. ... forgot the name, though, I think it was a gnome thing |
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| 09:16.14 | sawjig | after you login, assuming you're using a vnc password, yes you have to do that. |
| 09:16.22 | sawjig | Iridos, vino? |
| 09:16.43 | Iridos | sawjig, right :) just found it, too |
| 09:16.52 | F_Kafka | uhmm... i don't know how to tunnel it in SSH |
| 09:17.00 | sawjig | I made a TigerVNC package for myself on the systems I want vnc on because it supports using xrandr to change resolution and I couldn't get xrandr to change resolutions with other vnc servers. |
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| 09:17.49 | F_Kafka | sawjig i tried to run xrandr, it tell me "Can't open display" |
| 09:18.09 | sawjig | export display=:0 |
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| 09:19.00 | F_Kafka | still |
| 09:19.06 | F_Kafka | as root? or user? |
| 09:19.24 | oo_miguel | I just succeeded in setting up cups and printing a test page. How can I tell cups to print some other documents? |
| 09:19.43 | sawjig | ah I guess vino does support the local session too, you appear to be correct Iridos. "Vino is the default VNC server in Ubuntu to share your existing desktop with other users." |
| 09:20.34 | F_Kafka | so should i try to use vino instead of x11vnc? |
| 09:21.00 | Dark_light | Anyone wants to help me patch gnome-control-center to make the default app selection work ? |
| 09:21.22 | sawjig | F_Kafka, well, I may have misunderstood you, do you want to control what the computer would show if you were sitting in front of it or is this a headless server that you just want VNC access for? |
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| 09:21.56 | F_Kafka | headless server that i just want VNC access for |
| 09:22.00 | sawjig | F_Kafka, the whole reason I suggested x11vnc is I was under the impression that you wanted to have the login manager and control the local X session. |
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| 09:22.33 | sawjig | F_Kafka, then you could just use tightvnc if you don't care about having the local session. |
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| 09:22.51 | sawjig | F_Kafka, I apologize but I misunderstood what you wanted. |
| 09:23.07 | F_Kafka | i like x11vnc better though |
| 09:23.18 | F_Kafka | tightvnc was giving me bugs... |
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| 09:23.40 | F_Kafka | filling my rootfs ... making .xsession-errors file to fill up all the space |
| 09:23.41 | F_Kafka | heh |
| 09:23.55 | oohsilver | @babilen which display manager would you recommend? |
| 09:23.57 | sawjig | hehe, well you can use it if you want to, but tightvnc or such would probably be better as Iridos already commented. |
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| 09:24.19 | Xat` | hi guys |
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| 09:24.22 | F_Kafka | so how do i use tightvnc to create a new session? |
| 09:24.46 | sawjig | well first of all you need to tunnel you connections in SSH. |
| 09:24.54 | sawjig | Since you saidd you're not doing that :| |
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| 09:25.07 | Xat` | with a regular user, I exec this command (I can exec env command through sudo) : sudo env | grep PATH , I don't get the root's PATH, what's wrong ? |
| 09:25.19 | F_Kafka | i think i'm not aware enough of this whole tunneling concept |
| 09:25.24 | sawjig | F_Kafka, here this link has a little tutorial about SSH tunneling: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/tunneling-vnc-connections-over-ssh-howto.html |
| 09:25.28 | F_Kafka | also i don't quite understand it |
| 09:25.33 | ueb | anybody here has got experience with Dovecot2 ? |
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| 09:25.49 | F_Kafka | are there any more things i should be "tunneling with ssh" ? |
| 09:26.08 | sawjig | F_Kafka, depends, vnc is not a secure protocol |
| 09:26.14 | babilen | oohsilver: One of: gdm3, kdm or lightdm (the others don't work well with consolekit and/or dbus) |
| 09:26.23 | sawjig | So if you're connecting to things over the internet with VNC you should be tunneling. |
| 09:26.51 | sawjig | And you should not have the VNC server listening on anything but localhost. (It should not be listening for connections towards the internet/network) |
| 09:27.27 | F_Kafka | lol |
| 09:27.29 | F_Kafka | why :\ |
| 09:27.50 | sawjig | if someone intercepts your connection or is in between you and the server you can have a bad time ;( |
| 09:27.55 | Iridos | F_Kafka, read a bit about tunneling and it'll become clear |
| 09:27.56 | F_Kafka | then what's the idea of having a vnc then if i can't access it remotely? |
| 09:28.09 | sawjig | F_Kafka, you can access it remotely. |
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| 09:28.22 | sawjig | F_Kafka, you tunnel your connection to the localhost and connect to the VNC that way. |
| 09:28.24 | Iridos | I don't think it makes sense to... essentially do the same as pasting a document explaining tunneling in here |
| 09:28.30 | F_Kafka | oh oki |
| 09:28.51 | F_Kafka | do i have to type the ssh command once? or everytime i reboot? |
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| 09:28.55 | F_Kafka | the ssh tunnel |
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| 09:29.26 | sawjig | F_Kafka, the ssh server should jsut be running on your computer you use SSH to connect and create the tunnel from the client. |
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| 09:31.42 | F_Kafka | sorry i am a bit slow, i'm trying to understand this concept of tunneling |
| 09:31.47 | oohsilver | is there a way to close x and return to command line? |
| 09:32.05 | F_Kafka | do i have to run this ssh command (to tunnel) before i run the vnc session? or after? |
| 09:32.59 | sawjig | oohsilver, you can kill xorg and stop gdm/kdm/ldm or whatever login manager you're using and I think you should get a virt term. |
| 09:33.16 | sawjig | oohsilver, or you can keep X running and just ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 09:33.43 | sawjig | ctrl+alt+backspace is diabled by default IIRC |
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| 09:34.05 | oohsilver | cool thanks sawjig |
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| 09:34.30 | babilen | F_Kafka: Please, did you already read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/tightvncserver/ -- It details how to start a "window manager" in the faq ("Running the programs") and discusses "Can I remote the normal X display of my workstation (display :0) in the same way as the Windows server does?" shortly thereafter ... Take a look at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/vnc/sshvnc.html for a description on how to use SSH for tunneling |
| 09:34.58 | F_Kafka | thanks. |
| 09:35.11 | babilen | F_Kafka: I've pointed you to that documentation quite a while ago :) |
| 09:36.28 | babilen | F_Kafka: It's typically a good idea to take a look at /usr/share/doc/$PKG if you are unsure how to use $PKG -- README.Debian outlines procedures or changes that are specific to Debian and you will often find a faq, README or some example configuration snippets there too. |
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| 09:40.01 | TyZef | Babilen how are you ? do you remember me ? lol, You help me some days before about my 3g modem usb ! |
| 09:40.20 | ueb | SOLVED, this helped me https://www.nesono.com/node/417 |
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| 09:40.32 | babilen | TyZef: Ah, yeah. How is it working out? |
| 09:41.06 | TyZef | now okay I am on xfce ! I left kde and others... |
| 09:41.50 | TyZef | babilen I come to you to ask if you remember the soft you advived me for use internet ? |
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| 09:42.06 | sawjig | o.O |
| 09:42.32 | TyZef | I forgot the name of this babilen |
| 09:42.56 | babilen | TyZef: If I remember correctly I recommended you to use network-manager-gnome and the nm-applet shipped with at or wvdial on the command line. I would personally prefer NM if I were to run a graphical environment. |
| 09:43.23 | sawjig | Doesn't XFCE come with a network manager? |
| 09:43.48 | TyZef | hey babilen ! thank you ! it is wvdial what I was talking about ! |
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| 09:45.33 | babilen | sawjig: It does |
| 09:45.46 | babilen | TyZef: Have you tried using network-manager for this? |
| 09:45.47 | TyZef | Thank you a lot babilen ! this time I take note ! |
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| 09:48.13 | TyZef | actually no babilen, I am using NetworkManager but I think for change because my 3g modem broadband unmount alone sometimes ! I saw before on internet networkmanager can make this troubles |
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| 09:49.24 | babilen | TyZef: The internet is a vast space and many people say many things ... A lot of these things are wrong or outdated. |
| 09:49.44 | unborn | hi folks, is there any way to remove gnome3 and replace it with lxde please? |
| 09:49.59 | babilen | TyZef: Is there a bug about this in the Debian BTS? |
| 09:50.23 | babilen | unborn: Just install lxde and then (optionally) remove gnome. The best way to do the latter depends on the way you installed gnome. |
| 09:50.53 | unborn | aptitude install lxde babilen thats all? |
| 09:51.13 | sawjig | unborn, yes. |
| 09:51.19 | moof2 | read it more completely |
| 09:51.45 | TyZef | I don't know babilen for Is there a bug about this in the Debian BTS? |
| 09:51.46 | moof2 | specifically the latter half of what he said,,, |
| 09:52.00 | moof2 | you tell us? |
| 09:52.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell unborn about install lxde |
| 09:52.16 | unborn | thanks guys :) I installed deb7 default gnome.. did not realize that gnome3 is there uh |
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| 09:53.24 | moof2 | it's very likely that lxde is completely independent of gnome, you can install none, one, the other or both |
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| 09:54.08 | unborn | moof2, but it wont brake system if I just remove it then.. i mean that flashy gome |
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| 09:54.17 | unborn | babilen, thank you :) |
| 09:54.26 | moof2 | babilen noted that how to remove the gnome depends on how you install it |
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| 09:55.13 | moof2 | and in order for him to comment meaningfully, you would have to tell him -exactly- how you installed it, the exact text of the command |
| 09:55.55 | unborn | moof2, I think I said it..it comes with install dvd |
| 09:56.00 | unborn | as default de |
| 09:56.35 | moof2 | did you upgrade to what you have now? or install new debian? |
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| 09:57.59 | unborn | ah I am a moron! sorry guys I did download wrong iso then..just going via public ftp and discovered lxde iso there :) never mind.. |
| 09:58.44 | moof2 | well you have it installed already... you don't need to redownload just for one de |
| 09:58.48 | unborn | moof2, its brand new install.. I have to move my bedroom pc/tv out from ubuntu but gnome looks pretty - 'spooky' to me :) |
| 09:59.27 | moof2 | spooky was a great tune |
| 09:59.46 | unborn | moof2, I have to move 5 laptops and 2 desks.. all of them will use debian from today.. |
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| 10:00.10 | moof2 | "Love is kinda crazy with a spooky little girl like you... Spooky!" |
| 10:00.18 | unborn | I hope so skype mic will work on my mums laptop and good bye ubuntu :) |
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| 10:00.51 | babilen | unborn: You can also use the netinstall ISO and configure it to install LXDE during the installation. If you go that route you might want to grab the netinst with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images), but you can always download the firmware.tar.gz and unpack it to a USB stick too (/msg dpkg installer firmware) -- If you write an image (say CD1 LXDE) to the USB (/msg dpkg usb install) you should have a second partition there to which you can ... |
| 10:00.56 | babilen | ... unpack the firmware.tar.gz |
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| 10:01.27 | moof2 | this second partition should be on the usb vol? |
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| 10:02.05 | babilen | unborn: All that being said: Just install LXDE now and remove gnome -- I'd start by removing/purging task-gnome-desktop gnome and gnome-session -- That should take care of the majority of packages that you might want to get rid of. Note that removing Gnome is in no way necessary to run LXDE |
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| 10:02.20 | unborn | hey babilen you just make me a day! cheers man, if you where in london you would have beer on me :) |
| 10:02.39 | babilen | moof2: If you run "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" you end up with two partitions on the USB stick. The second one is empty and meant to be used for firmware. |
| 10:02.48 | babilen | unborn: edinburgh, sorry :) |
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| 10:03.17 | moof2 | I've always wanted to be a tife frame! |
| 10:03.26 | moof2 | time frame that is |
| 10:03.29 | unborn | babilen, so net install automatically download all hw drivers right? no single laptop wifi works |
| 10:03.42 | unborn | how ever I am familiar to install firmwares :) |
| 10:03.46 | oohsilver | hey thanks for all the help babilen |
| 10:04.14 | oohsilver | i've got e17 up and running, thanks for the lightdm suggestion |
| 10:04.15 | moof2 | babilen, ahh, yeah, someone else had a partitioned usb stick... I'm like "what?!" |
| 10:04.38 | unborn | removing gnome - what a relief |
| 10:05.02 | moof2 | your lawn will thank you... and your neighbors will thank you... |
| 10:05.33 | babilen | unborn: All installers contain all drivers already (the support is provided by the kernel), but certain hardware requires firmware to work correctly. Wireless adaptors are notorious for this and our default/official images do *not* contain firmware. This is why I recommend to either use a netinstall image with firmware or to unpack the firmware.tar.gz to a USB stick if your hardware requires firmware. |
| 10:05.57 | babilen | oohsilver: Wonderful! Enjoy your system :) |
| 10:06.30 | moof2 | what's this I hear about better wireless installs? |
| 10:07.52 | unborn | babilen, those firmwares are included non-free repos I think ( I hope so I am right) if so, then there is no problem :) |
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| 10:08.39 | moof2 | unborn, some firmware is free, and some is non-free... those are available in separate tarballs or images |
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| 10:09.22 | unborn | bah I am going with netinstall simple and possibly best way :) |
| 10:09.33 | unborn | thank you guys! |
| 10:09.59 | moof2 | but note: you already have debian installed... isn't it working? |
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| 10:10.12 | moof2 | you don't have to install again |
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| 10:10.35 | babilen | unborn: yes, they are -- I was primarily talking about the installation. I *much* prefer to have a working internet connection during the installation and if the hardware used to connect to the internet requires firmware one should ensure that the firmware is available. You can, naturally, always install firmware packages from non-free later (e.g. firmware-linux, firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-iwlwifi, firmware-realtek, firmware- ... (whatever ... |
| 10:10.41 | babilen | ... you require)) |
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| 10:11.08 | babilen | unborn: Yeah, don't install again. That would be a slightly suboptimal approach :) |
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| 10:12.30 | moof2 | let's put it this way... what you get when you install the gnome cd1 (as you may have done), then remove the gnome and then install lxde is the same as what you get when you use either netinstall or the lxde cd1 |
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| 10:13.35 | moof2 | the more important parts to deal with are your video and your networking |
| 10:14.42 | moof2 | since you haven't mentioned those, can I assume those are working? (the gnome or the lxde is displayin stuff, and you can browse a web page or ping google.com)? |
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| 10:20.14 | alteregoa | the river temba in winter |
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| 10:21.05 | freax | Damok and Jelad at Tenagra |
| 10:21.24 | unborn | moof2, networking only works via eth how ever I solved issues with wifi long time ago.. I was just scared to remove gnome like just any program.. but I am not any more |
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| 10:21.56 | unborn | last question guys... do you think its safe to replace deb6 with deb7 on server? I mean real server (no gui) |
| 10:22.06 | babilen | alteregoa: Please play somwhere else, thank you. |
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| 10:22.56 | unborn | ...or shall I wait for few years ? :) |
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| 10:23.36 | unborn | i mean i am more then happy to keep server as it is right now.. that was just question about things in |
| 10:24.25 | babilen | unborn: We wouldn't have released wheezy if we thought it is *not* safe. Just follow the release notes and you should be fine. See <release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy> for details or links. |
| 10:24.53 | unborn | babilen, thank you. I think I will be busy all day today :D |
| 10:24.58 | unborn | god |
| 10:24.58 | unborn | :D |
| 10:25.26 | unborn | rigth gotta do lot of installs.. thank you guys and I'll be back later in day |
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| 10:26.07 | babilen | waves |
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| 10:30.53 | moof2 | darmok and jilad when the +q fell... |
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| 10:31.51 | moof2 | wait, why does he need to do a lot of installs? missed something while going for juice |
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| 10:32.10 | sawjig | upgrading servers presumably |
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| 10:32.44 | Xat` | with a regular user, I exec this command (I can exec env command through sudo) : sudo env | grep PATH , I don't get the root's PATH, what's wrong ? |
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| 10:34.01 | moof2 | is your command a script you wrote? |
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| 10:34.37 | sawjig | moff2, sudo env | grep PATH |
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| 10:36.16 | grzeslaw | hello guys.. I am running debian6 stable with GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release.. I have about 20 monitoring servers which are in the same version.. I would like to manage by puppet, file /etc/profile to be the same on every server.. Now I am wondering is it safe, and to which package belongs that file (cause I am not able to find it with apt-file search /etc/profile) .. |
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| 10:39.40 | olivier_bK2 | i try to execute a script but when i write ./ScriptName he asking to me a password |
| 10:40.00 | mucha | hello. i would like to set up honeypot (JHoney) on my computer. Last update of it was in 2004. Should i search for another honeypot? |
| 10:40.06 | grzeslaw | olivier_bK2: cause you probably use sude there |
| 10:40.34 | olivier_bK2 | do you know how i can do not have this |
| 10:41.11 | olivier_bK2 | grzeslaw, i must to execute the script with the user xymon and not a root user |
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| 10:42.12 | grzeslaw | olivier_bK2: first check if you have sudo command in the script: grep sudo scriptName.sh |
| 10:42.18 | babilen | mucha: I would recommend that, yes. ##security might know some good alternatives - I see that labrea is packaged, but can't say anything else about it. |
| 10:42.42 | olivier_bK2 | grzeslaw, i dont have a command sudo in the script |
| 10:43.10 | olivier_bK2 | grzeslaw, i must to connect with the user xymon and after i execut the script |
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| 10:44.55 | jiohdi | use su -l and use root password |
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| 10:45.15 | grzeslaw | olivier_bK2: or you can give setUID bit, but it is not safe |
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| 10:45.45 | grzeslaw | olivier_bK2: show us your script: cat scriptName ; ls -l scriptName;pwd |
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| 10:47.44 | pksadiq | I recently installed debian wheezy, also installed complete packages came along with CD1, and now in Nautilus I see copies of each partion, and only one of each copy is working. I think it happened because I installed lvm package. How can I remove extra partitions shown in Nautilus? |
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| 10:51.26 | hopthrisC | does sudo -i in wheezy no longer parse /etc/environment by design or did i break something myself? |
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| 10:52.57 | jiohdi | sudo is not in debian by default |
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| 10:54.22 | hopthrisC | jiohdi: err, sorry? |
| 10:54.32 | jiohdi | actually I take that back, my user name is not in sudo by default |
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| 11:01.23 | hopthrisC | i don't get it. sudoers(5) states that "the environment is initialized with the contents of the /etc/environment file." |
| 11:01.31 | oo_miguel | I would like to make sure my debian system is not compromised in any way. What would be a good place to start? |
| 11:01.45 | hopthrisC | oo_miguel: re-install from scratch |
| 11:01.52 | oo_miguel | hmm |
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| 11:02.56 | hopthrisC | oo_miguel: next best thing is having installed tripwire or samhain on a fresh installation |
| 11:03.26 | moof2 | read /etc/environment |
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| 11:03.37 | Gotiniens | list debian |
| 11:03.43 | hopthrisC | oo_miguel: then there is rkhunter, chkrootkit and searching by hand until you are satisfied |
| 11:03.52 | hopthrisC | moof2: come again? |
| 11:04.15 | grzeslaw | do you know, to which package belongs /etc/profile file? apt-file search /etc/profile did not give me any results ;/ |
| 11:04.18 | oo_miguel | hopthrisC: ok thanks for your suggestions |
| 11:04.36 | oo_miguel | hopthrisC: I think I will reinstall and get these tripwire or samhain |
| 11:04.47 | hopthrisC | oo_miguel: i'd prefer samhain |
| 11:04.49 | moof2 | if you read the file, maybe you'll get a better understanding of one set of environment vars |
| 11:05.01 | oo_miguel | hopthrisC: thank you |
| 11:05.08 | hopthrisC | moof2: that file is empty except for the http_proxy i put there |
| 11:05.34 | moof2 | oh, ok... so when you sudo, did that var get set? |
| 11:05.48 | hopthrisC | moof2: no, that's why i'm asking |
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| 11:06.02 | moof2 | also, does /etc/environment look like a shell script? |
| 11:06.11 | moof2 | it was originally empty? |
| 11:06.23 | hopthrisC | moof2: originally... |
| 11:06.37 | hopthrisC | moof2: originally it probably had locale-stuff, i imagine |
| 11:06.40 | hopthrisC | moof2: that was years ago |
| 11:07.02 | moof2 | oh ok, so you emptied it out some years ago, then you put one line in? |
| 11:07.16 | moof2 | let me see what mine has |
| 11:07.20 | hopthrisC | moof2: most likely |
| 11:07.32 | hopthrisC | i don't think it ever had much information in it |
| 11:07.53 | moof2 | one /etc/environment was empty... another: |
| 11:07.55 | hopthrisC | at least nothing that would render the man page non-contradictory |
| 11:08.15 | tralala | darsie, you might try to disable auto mounts (http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/09/msg00319.html). This example is about USB auto mounts but it can be adapted to apply to SD cards and probably even to a particular card only by playing with the udev rules. |
| 11:08.39 | moof2 | could you describe what you feel is contradictory (while I check my other machine :) |
| 11:09.14 | hopthrisC | moof2: as i said above: sudoers(5) states that the environment is initialized from /etc/environment, even if env_reset is set |
| 11:09.25 | darsie | tralala: Would that also prevent gthumb import to start? I'm using a USB card reader. |
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| 11:10.50 | moof2 | also empty. |
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| 11:11.49 | moof2 | , file etc/environment |
| 11:11.54 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 11:12.11 | tralala | darsie, I'm not sure. On a second thought, maybe removing the "gvfs-mount -s gphoto2" part from the media preferences will do the trick. |
| 11:12.16 | moof2 | , file etc/environment release=squeeze |
| 11:12.21 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 11:13.56 | darsie | tralala: nope. Still both gthumb and shotwell start. |
| 11:14.03 | moof2 | I think I'd understand better if you were to say something to the effect of, "I'm putting things in that file and it's not doing what the man page says" |
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| 11:14.40 | darsie | tralala: I'd aptitude purge shotwell, but that also removes gnome and a ton of other desktop packages. |
| 11:15.29 | hopthrisC | moof2: sorry, i thought i had said exactly that |
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| 11:15.36 | hopthrisC | moof2: english is not my first language |
| 11:15.49 | moof2 | probably I didn't scroll back far enough |
| 11:16.09 | hopthrisC | moof2: i'm putting 'http_proxy=http://localhost:8123/' in /etc/environment |
| 11:16.20 | hopthrisC | for a normal user that ends up in the environment |
| 11:16.28 | hopthrisC | after sudo or sudo -i it is gone |
| 11:16.47 | hopthrisC | the man page (as i understand it) states that it should be in root's environment |
| 11:17.15 | moof2 | hmm. |
| 11:17.25 | hopthrisC | sudoers(5), Command Environment, second paragraph |
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| 11:17.44 | hopthrisC | (env_reset is defined in /etc/sudoers) |
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| 11:17.57 | moof2 | so, I wonder what would happen if you ran su - (and the password it asks for is the one you set for root) |
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| 11:18.27 | hopthrisC | moof2: root has its password disabled |
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| 11:18.42 | moof2 | so then you wouldn't be able to su - |
| 11:18.44 | hopthrisC | but with sudo su - it works as intended |
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| 11:19.01 | hopthrisC | that's because pam_env is configured in pam.d/su |
| 11:19.12 | starbuck | hello, how can i transfer files with nautilus between 2 pc's connected through a crossover cable? what software do i need to install? |
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| 11:19.21 | hopthrisC | adding pam_env to pam.d/sudo does not work either |
| 11:19.21 | moof2 | ok, when you examine the env then, do you see the var you want? |
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| 11:19.31 | starbuck | btw, the 2 pc's are running debian and ubuntu |
| 11:19.34 | hopthrisC | yes, with sudo su - i see the env i want |
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| 11:19.49 | jelly | that's su's fault |
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| 11:20.54 | hopthrisC | jelly: how do you mean "fault"? |
| 11:22.32 | moof2 | the main var for me is PATH... there used to be a file, I think it was called /etc/login.defs, which had a version of PATH for plain users and one for root |
| 11:23.26 | hopthrisC | moof2: path is a whole other beast, see /etc/sudoers |
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| 11:26.42 | moof2 | I don't know if I have that thing installed |
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| 11:28.08 | sleepr | if i manually update glibc to 2.16 do i need to do a reboot for it to take effect? :P |
| 11:28.14 | tralala | darsie, see if shotwell has any udev hooks, that start it |
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| 11:28.49 | tralala | darsie, what does dpkg -L shotwell say? |
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| 11:29.46 | darsie | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/6233/ |
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| 11:30.55 | moof2 | sleepr (generally speaking) installing a different version of libc than is the one distributed in the version of debian you're running could be harmless (at one end of the range, and at the other) can render your system unbootable and unusable -- the dynamically linked execut5ables would try to link to your different lib and maybe fail every time |
| 11:31.27 | unborn | im back :) install was blazing |
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| 11:31.40 | moof2 | it's rangey... it's definitely on the dangerous side |
| 11:31.52 | sleepr | moof2: heh well if it do crash i can just reinstall the system, i have nothing of importance on the machine, its just for learning :) |
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| 11:32.13 | unborn | I would like to ask about ....desktop.iso.packages is that packages for offline installation? I mean nonfree stuff etc |
| 11:32.15 | unborn | ? |
| 11:32.23 | moof2 | ok well good enough |
| 11:32.29 | sleepr | i downloaded a new and ran the ./configure, but the program needed 2.16 still complaints about the wrong version, thats why i asked if i need to reboot or not :D |
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| 11:33.10 | sleepr | and i cant find any output. gclib.c.6 file anywhere so i suppose its placed where it should be when i confed it? |
| 11:33.12 | darsie | tralala: How do I find udev hooks? |
| 11:34.32 | mumpitze1 | sleepr: have you installed the libc6-dev too for your 2.16? |
| 11:35.04 | mumpitze1 | and ./configure creates a .log file in the same directory |
| 11:35.23 | darsie | tral locate shotwell|grep udev prints no results. |
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| 11:35.27 | tralala | darsie, see /etc/udev/udev.d, but if it isn't in dpkg -L it probably isn't in /etc either |
| 11:36.12 | mumpitze1 | tralala: /etc files are usually created, only files that are already in the .deb are shown with dpkg -L, created ones aren't |
| 11:36.59 | darsie | tralala: In /etc/udev I have .dev/ and rules.d/. No udev.d. |
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| 11:38.00 | tralala | sorry, I meant rules.d |
| 11:38.24 | tralala | darsie, do you use gnome? |
| 11:38.39 | darsie | yes. gnome3 ... |
| 11:38.45 | darsie | wheezy |
| 11:38.55 | mumpitze1 | unborn: no, none of the ISOs contain unfree stuff. there are however firmware images of the installer which contain non-free firmware |
| 11:39.14 | mumpitze1 | unborn: and all debian installers except the businesscard one can be used offline |
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| 11:39.34 | unborn | ok :) |
| 11:39.40 | unborn | need to reload program |
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| 11:40.34 | moof2 | (reason they can, is they at least have a packaged copy of the debian base |
| 11:40.41 | moof2 | ) |
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| 11:41.50 | tralala | darsie, what happens if you remove the gthumb command as well? |
| 11:42.06 | errorist | going to make a information screen showing a rss feed. What program should I use? as minimal as possible, the computer got 900Mhz and 256 ram. |
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| 11:44.39 | darsie | tralala: I removed the command and disabled 'Import digital photographs when connected'. Now just shotwell starts. |
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| 11:47.35 | tralala | anything shotwell related in /usr/lib/udisks/? |
| 11:49.36 | cigol | Hi, I installed debian system on my server and when I connect with them by my local ubuntu Terminal and ssh I get command in annoying colors |
| 11:49.38 | cigol | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/selection024.jpg/ |
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| 11:49.50 | cigol | How should I deal with it ? |
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| 11:50.57 | tralala | darsie, or in /usr/share/hal/fdi |
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| 11:51.54 | petn-randall | cigol: search your hoster's wiki for "PS1", they probably have it in their FAQ. :) |
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| 11:52.34 | petn-randall | cigol: PS1 is the environment variable that defines your prompt (and its colours), you now just have to find out where they set it. |
| 11:53.14 | darsie | tralala: I found it (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=144468) System Settings / Details / Removable Media / Import with gThumb. |
| 11:53.29 | cigol | petn-randall: thanks |
| 11:53.48 | tralala | darsie, do share, please |
| 11:54.04 | tralala | ah, I missed the second line |
| 11:54.10 | darsie | tralala: How? I just did. |
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| 11:54.12 | darsie | k :) |
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| 11:56.10 | cigol | petn-randall: it works like a charm. I uncommented one file in .bashrc |
| 11:56.20 | cigol | *one line |
| 11:56.32 | petn-randall | cigol: Great! :) |
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| 11:57.50 | petn-randall | cigol: Is your hoster by chance Hetzner? |
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| 12:00.04 | cigol | petn-randall: yes, exactly ;) This is a typical 'issue' on hetzner ? In this moment I am trying to install spf13 but I got "Cannot read from "/root/.spf13-vim-3/.vimrc.bundles" |
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| 12:02.12 | petn-randall | cigol: I recognized that ridiculous prompt from somewhere ;). I don't know about spf13, what is it? |
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| 12:02.53 | warhead | Hello, I using xfce 4.8, and I love old style of file manager and I install gnome-commander but when set in Settings->Options->Programs->Terminal xfce4-terminal therminal not open, any have idea what is problem? |
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| 12:05.04 | cigol | petn-randall: spf13 is a distribution of vim plugins |
| 12:05.24 | cigol | it is very good if you use vim editor |
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| 12:08.12 | warhead | how to make gnome-commander work with xfce4-terminal (using xfce4 env.) |
| 12:09.23 | moof2 | dunno, are they designed to work together? |
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| 12:10.01 | warhead | nop, gnome-commander work atm with gnome-terminal |
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| 12:10.36 | asddsa | my pendrive can't be detected, any idea why? |
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| 12:10.50 | ezra-s | asddsa, have you checked syslog? |
| 12:11.22 | asddsa | yeah, when i inster the pendrive nothing is shown on syslog, neither messages |
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| 12:11.48 | jhutchins_wk | asddsa: dmesg |
| 12:12.13 | moof2 | | tail |
| 12:12.22 | asddsa | also nothinh |
| 12:12.25 | asddsa | also nothing* |
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| 12:12.33 | ezra-s | asddsa, try doing lsusb , see if it shows up in there |
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| 12:12.56 | asddsa | when i run that is says: unable to initialize libusb: -99 |
| 12:13.23 | ezra-s | uh oh |
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| 12:13.44 | pseudomum | would anyone be able to explain to me what this `sed` command is doing? it looks crazy suspicious — http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qf8yPXwi |
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| 12:14.01 | jhutchins_wk | asddsa: Which release are you on? |
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| 12:14.17 | asddsa | im on stable |
| 12:14.25 | asddsa | wheezy |
| 12:15.21 | ezra-s | pseudomum, looks like a basyc encrypter, substituding characters for more complex ones |
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| 12:16.09 | ezra-s | pseudomum, for example -> s/X49X/X/ switches any s for an X |
| 12:16.21 | ezra-s | not |
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| 12:16.39 | ezra-s | s/X49X/X switches any X49X for an X |
| 12:16.47 | ezra-s | is half blind today |
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| 12:16.53 | atula | hello, I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. I'm seeing grub rescue> |
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| 12:17.05 | ezra-s | slaps himself |
| 12:17.08 | pseudomum | ezra-s: I just can't imagine why anybody would want to do that |
| 12:17.19 | atula | my /boot was installed on a raid |
| 12:17.29 | jhutchins_wk | asddsa: If nothing is showing up in dmesg when you connect the drive either the drive is dead or there is something wrong with the usb subsystem. |
| 12:18.07 | pseudomum | ah well, little mystery solved. cheers ezra-s. |
| 12:18.09 | asddsa | ok, thx 4 trying to help |
| 12:18.22 | jhutchins_wk | asddsa: If you're getting an error when you try to run lsusb, it suggests that there's something wrong at the system level. |
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| 12:18.23 | ezra-s | pseudomum, maybe it's just meant to simplify an output, try to do echo $SYSTEM somewhere in the script before that is executed and you will see what that line is trying to switch exactly |
| 12:18.34 | atula | ls shows me: (md2) (md1) (hd0) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (h1, msdos2) (hd1,msdos2) (hd1,msdos1) (hd2) (hd2,msdos1) (hd2) (hd2,msdos1) |
| 12:18.40 | atula | could someone help me? |
| 12:18.41 | atula | thank you |
| 12:18.43 | jhutchins_wk | asddsa: Perhaps aptitude -f install? |
| 12:18.49 | moof2 | atula, it may be that grub and its modules can assemble the array |
| 12:19.31 | warhead | problem with xfce4-terminal & gnome-commander fixed with : gconftool-2 --type=string --set "/desktop/gnome/applications/terminal/exec" "xfce4-terminal" |
| 12:19.47 | moof2 | see what's on md0: set root (md0 < hit tab |
| 12:19.50 | ezra-s | warhead, thanks for sharing |
| 12:21.24 | moof2 | err, oh, you don't have md0, you do have md1 |
| 12:21.34 | atula | moof2, cannot tab it seems) |
| 12:21.35 | atula | I have md0 |
| 12:22.26 | atula | I think it's md0 -- /boot , md1 -- / and md2 is my main data raid |
| 12:22.27 | moof2 | ok, so try set root (md0) |
| 12:22.48 | tdn | I just discovered 'atop'. This is a fantastic tool for identifying performance bottlenecks. It supports a long term monitoring mode, in which it logs data to a binary log. I would like to be able to visualize these data in a graph. Is this possible? If so, how? I cannot seem to find out what format the log is saved in. It is binary, but nothing that 'file' will detect. |
| 12:23.04 | atula | moof2, error: not an asignment |
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| 12:23.19 | atula | wow, all I have is ls |
| 12:23.29 | atula | heh, this suck |
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| 12:24.14 | moof2 | so you didn't partition the mdXes? |
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| 12:24.42 | moof2 | ok, try set root = (md0_ |
| 12:24.46 | moof2 | err |
| 12:24.49 | moof2 | ok, try set root = (md0) |
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| 12:25.40 | moof2 | ls in a boot loader is pretty good :) |
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| 12:27.09 | moof2 | were you able to set the root? if so, ls and see if you see some vmlinuzs |
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| 12:29.16 | ezra-s | tdn, which flag are you using to write the file? |
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| 12:33.20 | Raazeer | Hi all. I have noticed that the lcdproc package in debian is badly outdated, and I'm looking for reasons. I'd appreciate it if anyone could point me in the right direction. |
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| 12:34.55 | Raazeer | I have to add, I'm not really "in the flow" where the debian packaging process is concerned, so I'd appreciate a few simple pointers. |
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| 12:40.05 | ezra-s | Raazeer, I guess it all boils down to the maintainers, I'll try to find out who maintains it and see if you can reach them in any form to see this. If it concerns you much, you could also look for a ppa with updated version |
| 12:40.19 | ezra-s | s/I'll/I'd/ |
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| 12:44.13 | Raazeer | ezra-s: It's just a minor inconvenience to me - I have to build it from cvs, because the newer drivers aren't in the repo version. |
| 12:44.58 | Raazeer | but thanks for looking into it. |
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| 12:47.21 | tdn | ezra-s, /usr/bin/atop -a -w /var/log/atop.log 600 |
| 12:48.43 | ezra-s | tdn, that's a crompressed file although I am not sure which format is it, but have you tried gunzip it? |
| 12:48.59 | ezra-s | s/tried/tried to/ |
| 12:49.42 | tdn | ezra-s, file does not detect it to be gzip. |
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| 12:52.24 | dorp | Hello, I was wondering if there's a name to the process of creating a livecd? (creating, as-in, authoring one) |
| 12:53.38 | ezra-s | tdn, I do not doubt it and for what I'm reading in the manpage it seems it is not, it is a binary compressed file, although I don't see any specifics on how to handle it, probably through a programming language, but I'm just guessing, in any case, about file (offtopic), I rather not to depend on it to tell me what type of file is something when you can manually try with gunzip yourself |
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| 12:54.55 | petn-randall | Raazeer: It's not that bad, it's just one release behind in stable. |
| 12:55.16 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Which is understandable since wheezy was frozen since last summer. |
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| 12:58.11 | tdn | ezra-s, ok, I tried: gzip: atop.log.gz: not in gzip format |
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| 12:58.45 | petn-randall | tdn: What does file then say? |
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| 13:02.14 | yeehi | Generally speaking, what sort of person uses Debian rather than Ubuntu? |
| 13:02.43 | Raazeer | petn-randall: check the cvs - the release is actually beyond 1.20 |
| 13:02.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell yeehi about why debian |
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| 13:03.06 | yeehi | ooh, this will be interesting, jelly... |
| 13:03.09 | Raazeer | they are not putting out versions in CVS currently, but the development goes merrily on. |
| 13:03.55 | tdn | petn-randall, 'data' |
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| 13:04.32 | jhutchins_wk | ,maint lcdproc |
| 13:04.33 | judd | Package lcdproc version 0.5.5-2 was uploaded by Dominique Dumont on 2012-02-26, last changed by Dominique Dumont and maintained by Dominique Dumont. |
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| 13:08.24 | petn-randall | Raazeer: They're last *release* is 0.5.6, wheezy has 0.5.5. Their CVS has different revision numbers, unless the README of two years ago was 1.13. |
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| 13:08.31 | petn-randall | *Their, damnit |
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| 13:09.37 | rascal999 | i have debian wheezy and I am unable to install openssh-server (package not found), can someone point me to sources.list for debian 7.0? |
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| 13:10.08 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Usually though, if you report a bug of severity "wishlist" the maintainers will package a new release for unstable, which you can then easily backport. |
| 13:11.14 | Raazeer | petn-randall: that is rather buerocratic if you ask me. as I said, the _development_ goes on, even if they don't tag releases atm. Why are the release numbers that important in this case? |
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| 13:11.21 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions openssh-server |
| 13:11.22 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4; jessie: 1:6.0p1-4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4; sid: 1:6.2p2-3 |
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| 13:12.00 | jhutchins_wk | rascal999: Please paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net |
| 13:12.49 | rascal999 | jhutchins_wk: http://paste.debian.net/6263/ |
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| 13:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | Raazeer: There's only so much the Debian maintainers can do, some of the work of maintaining a project is up to the developers. If they don't release code, the Debian maintainers can't be expected to go burrowing after the latest updates, especially for a non-core project like this. |
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| 13:13.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,info lcdproc |
| 13:13.48 | judd | Package lcdproc (utils, extra) in wheezy/i386: LCD display driver daemon and clients. Version: 0.5.5-2; Size: 361.7k; Installed: 943k; Homepage: http://www.lcdproc.org/ |
| 13:14.24 | jhutchins_wk | Raazeer: 99% of systems don't even HAVE an LCD display. |
| 13:14.30 | Raazeer | jhutchins_wk, is there a chance to get the lcdproc developers and the package maintainers to stick their heads together? |
| 13:14.51 | Raazeer | (I don't know either of them personally) |
| 13:14.53 | jhutchins_wk | Raazeer: Talk to the lcdproc people. |
| 13:15.06 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Read my previous statement again, the "releases numbers" in CVS of lcdproc have nothing to do with the releases they make. |
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| 13:15.41 | Raazeer | hm, I see. |
| 13:16.01 | Raazeer | Well, actually it's not my job to tell either of them how to run their shop. |
| 13:16.11 | petn-randall | They follow two different numbering schemes (for whatever reason, may be a mistake). |
| 13:16.26 | jhutchins_wk | wonders what amazing new features small LCD displays could have that demands software newer than 1992. |
| 13:16.37 | Raazeer | As I wrote above, it is just a minor inconvenience. |
| 13:17.09 | Raazeer | And the new features consist of a multitude of newer displays being supported. |
| 13:17.40 | jhutchins_wk | How foolish of the new displays' manufactureres not to follow established standards. |
| 13:18.30 | jhutchins_wk | Do they now display Tengwar? |
| 13:18.52 | Raazeer | Tengwhatagain? |
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| 13:22.49 | Raazeer | what exactly is a Tengwar? |
| 13:23.14 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Check wikipedia |
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| 13:24.22 | Raazeer | couldn't you just have said "Klingon" or something? |
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| 13:25.26 | Raazeer | as a matter of fact, I'm more interested in what they display it _on_, which is my shiny futaba mdm166a |
| 13:25.26 | petn-randall | Raazeer: LCDs support Klingon since 1965. |
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| 13:26.33 | Raazeer | And since we're geek-bashing each other, I'll have you know that any character LCD can display tengvar provided you burn a character set into its memory |
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| 13:27.40 | Raazeer | although some of the more complicated characters may cause trouble on an old 5x8 |
| 13:28.15 | petn-randall | Raazeer: ;). Is it so? I always thought you can directly switch the pixels. |
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| 13:31.18 | Raazeer | petn-randall: afaik, not on the character-based displays. you usually have a number of user-definable characters that you can work with, which are indeed pixel maps, but afaik you can't directly write pixel maps into the 8x5s |
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| 13:34.36 | petn-randall | Raazeer: I see. My one work collegue and I were always joking that we'd one day reprogram our coffee machine. |
| 13:35.21 | Raazeer | petn-randall: you could, of course, always hack the hardware too. A RPi would make a _nifty_ coffee machine. |
| 13:35.22 | petn-randall | Raazeer: It had a LCD and even a serial port somewhere inside. Setting the strongest dial to the max made the coffee undrinkable. |
| 13:35.27 | lazaret | Hi! I have some troubles with the NVIDIA optimus on Debian 3.2.32-1. After trying to set the nvidia driver instead of the nouveau, the xserver crashed; reconfiguring it didn't help, reinstalling neither. Is this the right place to get some help or should I seek help in another channel? Thanks in advance! |
| 13:35.58 | Raazeer | petn-randall: what do you mean by undrinkable? It ate through the mugs before you could get it to your mouth? |
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| 13:36.16 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Quite so. Only one of our programmers drank it at that level. |
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| 13:37.06 | Raazeer | to me, good coffee always was defined by a simple test: If I stick a stainless steel spoon into it and turn the mug upside down, it mustn't take longer than 20 seconds for the spoon handle to fall off. |
| 13:37.06 | petn-randall | Raazeer: We thought of chaning the dial to show | light | normal | strong | HEALTH RISK | DEADLY | <nameofprogrammer> | |
| 13:37.10 | petn-randall | *changing |
| 13:37.29 | Raazeer | lol |
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| 13:37.41 | Raazeer | lemme see if I can find that comic quickly... |
| 13:38.26 | jelly | petn-randall: it has to go up to 11 |
| 13:38.27 | babilen | redirects all links to comics to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 13:38.29 | unborn | okay.. guys I find very annoing problem when I type sudo command* in terminal I got msgs that I am not sudoer |
| 13:38.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell unborn -about sudoers |
| 13:39.01 | unborn | there is no way to correct this issue.. root wont be log in.. anyone know how to fix this bug? |
| 13:39.07 | petn-randall | lazaret: The optimus support is in a sad condition right now. Either you try the non-free drivers, and take it up with nvidia, or try the bumblebee project. |
| 13:39.22 | unborn | babilen, problem is I am not able to run sudo command |
| 13:39.33 | unborn | so I am not able to add my self to sudoers |
| 13:39.35 | babilen | unborn: You probably just want to add yourself to the "sudo" group. You can temporarily become root by running "su" and entering to the root password. |
| 13:39.47 | jelly | unborn: what do you mean, "root wont be log in" |
| 13:40.01 | freax | wow |
| 13:40.09 | unborn | jelly when I try to log in as root it said not allowed heh |
| 13:40.10 | babilen | unborn: Once you've achieved that you can run "adduser unborn sudo" (or whatever your username is on the local box) and then relogin |
| 13:40.31 | unborn | gonna try that |
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| 13:41.11 | Raazeer | Damnit, I gotta tell doc to index his webcomic strips by keywords... |
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| 13:42.46 | touki | Is there mysql-browser on wheezy, I can't find it ? |
| 13:42.56 | petn-randall | unborn: You can easily get root on a machine that you're physically at: Just add init=/bin/bash to your grub command line. |
| 13:43.04 | unborn | su solution was working heh |
| 13:43.23 | unborn | thanks guys |
| 13:43.35 | lazaret | petn-randall I also feel in a sad situation right now! :) I tried to enable the nvidia driver and that crashed the system (after reboot, tells me "no screens found"); bumblebee for some reason would not install (configuration error). I would be happy to stick to the free drivers, but I don't know how to remove the residues the nvidia driver left on the system. |
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| 13:44.27 | touki | it's workbench package |
| 13:44.38 | themill | touki: mysql-workbench is in wheezy |
| 13:45.12 | jordanm | it's actually mysql-query-browser, not mysql-browser |
| 13:45.13 | petn-randall | lazaret: If you stuck to the debian provided packages, you can simply uninstall them. If you used the binary installer, you're out of luck. |
| 13:45.13 | unborn | :/ added my self to sudo how ever its not working.. do I have to log out and log in? |
| 13:45.28 | petn-randall | unborn: yes. |
| 13:45.31 | jelly | unborn: either use "su -" or log in at the text console |
| 13:45.44 | jelly | oh, you're past that |
| 13:45.50 | jelly | nevermind then |
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| 13:46.12 | babilen | unborn: Yes, you have to relogin. I mentioned that before. |
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| 13:47.54 | lazaret | petn-randall ouch, is there really no way to go back having used the binary installer? |
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| 13:48.13 | unborn | okay now sudo works however I lost network.. I think I will reinstall it again |
| 13:48.30 | petn-randall | lazaret: You can fumble through the installer script and look what it did, and do that backwards, unless it has a uninstall routine. |
| 13:48.34 | darthanubis | my repos can no longer be edited in synaptic on the repo debian software tab |
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| 13:49.04 | darthanubis | they end up in the "other software" tab |
| 13:49.07 | babilen | unborn: Reinstall what again? |
| 13:49.14 | darthanubis | google has not been much help with this one |
| 13:49.57 | darthanubis | the check boxes don't stay checked |
| 13:50.46 | Zathras | Hi. After the last update of Squeeze I find myself running into problems with some old PHP software. mainly the php-mdb2-* packages and SmartSieve (no package) connecting through Dovecot. Deprecated programming methods causing a non defined variable. Any hints (besides the obvious and far from trivial upgrade to newer versions) ? |
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| 13:50.56 | unborn | whole system heh |
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| 13:53.27 | kstt | hi. I have a directory of database dumps, each identified with the timestamp of the dump. I would like to remove dumps older than N days. What is the most sensible way to do that in your opinion ? Thx |
| 13:53.33 | babilen | unborn: Why would that be necessary? |
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| 13:53.45 | vlitzer | o/ |
| 13:53.49 | babilen | unborn: I mean, knock yourself out, but … |
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| 13:55.09 | jelly | kstt: do the timestamps on the files match the dump dates in the filenames? |
| 13:55.21 | kstt | jelly, indeed |
| 13:55.36 | kstt | approximatly of course |
| 13:56.01 | themill | kstt: find might be the easiest approach |
| 13:56.12 | jelly | kstt: does "find /path/to/directory -mtime +7 -ls" show roughly just the old dumps? |
| 13:56.13 | kstt | find -mtime ? |
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| 13:57.22 | kstt | yeah that's the way I had in mind. However, I'd prefer it to rely on the directory names (each dump is a directory), rather than the directory mtime. |
| 13:57.45 | darthanubis | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=84741 |
| 13:57.51 | jordanm | what is the structure and date format? |
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| 13:58.24 | jelly | kstt: ah, you did not mention those were directories |
| 13:58.44 | kstt | jelly: I did not mention those were files either ;) |
| 13:58.59 | kstt | it does not matter much |
| 13:59.06 | jelly | but it does. |
| 13:59.08 | Raazeer | petn-randall: finally found it, check it out: http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autotwb1341.html |
| 13:59.21 | jelly | directories can change timestamps for unrelated reasons |
| 13:59.37 | kstt | jordanm: it should not matter. I'd better avoid relying on a alphanumeric sorting method. |
| 13:59.52 | kstt | There are parseable |
| 14:00.09 | Raazeer | ( be sure to look at the next one, too) |
| 14:00.15 | jordanm | so, you want a solution without us knowing what it looks like? |
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| 14:00.28 | jelly | kstt: pastebin your ls -la /path/to/dir, please |
| 14:00.30 | jordanm | because that part doesn't matter? well, the solution is to write something |
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| 14:01.47 | kstt | jordanm: :) that's just me trying to limit information not relevant to the problem, just to reduce the noise. Nothing else ;) |
| 14:01.57 | kstt | I'll paste it happily |
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| 14:02.30 | motto | Hi this apt-pinning has sense? Package: *; Pin: release o=Debian; Pin-Priority: -1 |
| 14:02.45 | jordanm | i don't need to see all the directories, i just need to know the structure and the datetime format... |
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| 14:03.00 | kstt | http://pastebin.com/y4yGnpmc |
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| 14:03.36 | darthanubis | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=84741&p=498666#p498666 |
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| 14:04.05 | jordanm | kstt, and you want to delete directories older than X? |
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| 14:04.14 | kstt | jordanm: yes |
| 14:04.22 | jordanm | just date or time as well? |
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| 14:04.35 | kstt | hum ... does that matter ? |
| 14:04.55 | jelly | kstt: wrong way to do it: rm pg-dumps/$(date -d'7 days ago' +F)* |
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| 14:05.10 | jelly | erm. |
| 14:05.14 | jelly | kstt: wrong way to do it: rm pg-dumps/$(date -d'7 days ago' +%F)* |
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| 14:05.19 | jelly | XChat ate my %! |
| 14:05.29 | kstt | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 14:05.59 | jelly | (why is it wrong? Because there will be leftovers if the deletion job isn't run for a day) |
| 14:06.03 | kstt | But if missed one day, files will remain |
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| 14:06.24 | motto | this pin make sense? http://pastie.org/7953158 i don't understand the negative pin on the last rule |
| 14:06.40 | jelly | correct way: compare all the timestamps against '7 days ago' |
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| 14:06.45 | kstt | I think I'll take the find -mtime way |
| 14:06.51 | jordanm | olderthan=$(date -d '2013-05-23' +%s); for f in *; do stamp=$(date -d "${f%--*}" +%s); (( stamp < olderthan )) && rm -rf "$f"; done |
| 14:07.26 | jelly | jordanm: bash only? |
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| 14:07.38 | kstt | jordanm: ah, that's quiet good, thanks. But still is relies on alphanumeric comparison. I wish I would find a better way. |
| 14:07.40 | jordanm | jelly, you would prefer perl? |
| 14:07.46 | jordanm | kstt, no it doesn't |
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| 14:07.53 | avarus | hi |
| 14:07.57 | jordanm | kstt, there is no alphanumeric comparision at all there |
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| 14:08.04 | jelly | kstt: it compares timestamps, not alpha. |
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| 14:08.11 | kstt | oh, right ? |
| 14:08.14 | jelly | jordanm: yes, actually |
| 14:08.30 | leo-unglaub | hey, i have an error during an update |
| 14:08.31 | leo-unglaub | http://paste.debian.net/6288/ |
| 14:08.42 | kstt | jordanm: ah, it converts to epoch, right ? |
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| 14:08.44 | jordanm | jelly, i require compensation to write perl |
| 14:08.45 | leo-unglaub | what whent wrong here and why? |
| 14:08.49 | jordanm | kstt, yes |
| 14:09.00 | jelly | jordanm: but I suspect a perl -MTime::ParseDate solution would end up longer |
| 14:09.05 | kstt | that's clever thanks |
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| 14:09.30 | jordanm | kstt, test it with echo before you rm stuff |
| 14:09.47 | kstt | and here '<' stands for numeric comparison, not string comparison ? |
| 14:10.12 | jordanm | jelly, i would use DateTime::Format::HTTP |
| 14:10.22 | jordanm | kstt, in numerical context, (( )), yes |
| 14:10.29 | kstt | good ! |
| 14:10.44 | kstt | thank you very much, I learned |
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| 14:26.02 | Asenar | Hi, is there a program I can use to store password ? |
| 14:26.03 | num7 | hi, my pc (os based on debian) get stuck and had to turn the power off. now i can't boot it says (error: unknown filesystem. grub rescue>) Can somebody help me out please? |
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| 14:26.13 | petn-randall | Asenar: I use keepass2 for that. |
| 14:26.32 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell num7 -about based on |
| 14:26.45 | Asenar | what's the package name ? |
| 14:26.56 | Asenar | ok found |
| 14:27.02 | Asenar | I typed keypass |
| 14:27.03 | petn-randall | Asenar: :) |
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| 14:27.40 | num7 | petn-randall, i try #gnu channel |
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| 14:28.05 | Asenar | randall, keypass has a cli version ? |
| 14:28.23 | petn-randall | Asenar: although there is some ambiguity (kee-pass vs keep-ass), this actually is a quite usable program. |
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| 14:28.51 | Asenar | is trying it |
| 14:28.52 | petn-randall | num7: You can try your distros channel, or ##linux, too. |
| 14:29.12 | Iridos | I took keepassx... that's graphics-only |
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| 14:29.32 | Iridos | it can export to xml, though... so I guess I can migrate when fancy takes me |
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| 14:30.45 | petn-randall | Iridos: How do keepass2 and keepassx relate? Is one a fork of the other? |
| 14:31.26 | jhutchins_wk | Someone was asking about CLI password keepers yesterday... |
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| 14:32.31 | Raazeer | incidentially, does anyone have any idea why libhid-dev is not available in wheezy? |
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| 14:33.14 | Raazeer | according to some net remnants I've found it must have been available once, but apparently no more. |
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| 14:33.56 | themill | , bug rm libhid |
| 14:34.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/496665 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: libhid -- RoQA; RC buggy, orphaned»; severity: normal; opened: 2008-08-26; last modified: 2010-06-28. |
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| 14:35.03 | Raazeer | Orphaned... Oo... Means lacking a maintainer? |
| 14:35.27 | petn-randall | Raazeer: "I have no devices that use libhid anymore and thus should pass off |
| 14:35.30 | petn-randall | maintenance of this package." |
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| 14:35.59 | petn-randall | That was in 2008. I guess nowadays other libraries are used. |
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| 14:37.08 | Raazeer | petn-randall: there is hidapi, but I don't think that actually outdates libhid |
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| 14:37.21 | Raazeer | well, more compiling I guess. No harm done. |
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| 14:37.56 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Huh? What device of yours still needs it then? |
| 14:38.05 | olivier_bK2 | somebody use elasticsearch ? |
| 14:38.15 | Raazeer | actually, it's probably not the _device_ as such; it's the driver. |
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| 14:38.32 | Raazeer | for the afforementioned MDM166a VFD |
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| 14:38.36 | petn-randall | olivier_bK2: No surveys please, if you have a question, ask it. :) |
| 14:39.18 | Raazeer | but since neither libhid nor hidapi are available in repo these days, I guess it's the tiger or the tiger. |
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| 14:39.47 | olivier_bK2 | do you know how to pass status of elasticsearch to yellow at green ? |
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| 14:43.20 | Raazeer | I might try to replace libhid with hidapi for the fun of it, but not before I get a few hours of sleep |
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| 14:50.18 | Sepultura | any way to know how strong the WLAN Signal is? |
| 14:50.24 | Sepultura | on Debian? |
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| 14:54.10 | joltcan | Sepultura: iwconfig maybe? |
| 14:54.24 | joltcan | if that is used these days, I havent used wavelan in linux for 10 years |
| 14:54.29 | Sepultura | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.58 | joltcan | sorry |
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| 14:55.34 | joltcan | Sepultura: aptitude install wireless-tools (and a nice nickname btw) |
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| 14:55.58 | Sepultura | thx :D |
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| 14:56.23 | Sepultura | normally I don't use wireless lan |
| 14:56.27 | Sepultura | Only on Work |
| 14:56.33 | Sepultura | only at work ;) |
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| 14:59.26 | Diranged | theres a way to make dpkg-buildpackage or debuild download the source tarball for a package im building, right? |
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| 15:00.02 | mumpitze1 | apt-get does it |
| 15:00.19 | Diranged | sorry, if im buildng my own package |
| 15:00.28 | jordanm | Diranged, git-buildpackage? |
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| 15:00.30 | Diranged | ie .. lets say im re-packaging nginx.. so i have my own debian build dir with the control files, changelogs, etc.. |
| 15:00.58 | Diranged | jordanm: hmm havnt heard of that.. ill look at it.. |
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| 15:01.41 | jordanm | Diranged, http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingAPackage/SourceInVCS |
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| 15:04.15 | jhutchins_wk | Sepultura: as root |
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| 15:06.02 | Diranged | hmm neither of those links really do what im looking for |
| 15:06.19 | Diranged | i figured i could create some file like sources and put in it a list of urls where the sourcecode can be downloaded from |
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| 15:06.24 | Diranged | similar to how you can do that in an RPM |
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| 15:14.03 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 15:14.42 | johnfg | I'm having, what seems like a perennial problem, trouble getting flashplayer going on wheezy/iceweasel. |
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| 15:16.00 | johnfg | Have installed the flashplayer-nonfree and have run update-flashplugin-nonfree --install, but still videos don't play. |
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| 15:17.33 | Iridos | restarted browser? |
| 15:17.53 | Iridos | and what video... doesn't a lot of sites use HTML5 these days? |
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| 15:18.47 | mtn | johnfg: please give us a link that does not work for you and let us take a look |
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| 15:19.08 | mtn | johnfg: my wheezy/iceweasel/flash works fine |
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| 15:23.06 | johnfg | I just seemed to have got it. It was probably that ad-block-plus was stopping about everything. Trying to look at some video on the New England Patriots site. |
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| 15:23.45 | johnfg | Of course, 31 other favorites chosen among you would say that that's the problem :-) |
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| 15:27.25 | master_j | what's the status of update-notifier in testing? i lost my notifier icon. |
| 15:27.29 | Pure | Hi. Does Debian currently have support for UEFI boot? |
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| 15:28.28 | redeyes | Install the package grub-efi-amd64. |
| 15:28.52 | mumpitze1 | !uefi |
| 15:28.53 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 15:29.01 | redeyes | here a good docs about using uefi boot in debian : http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi |
| 15:29.18 | Pure | Right, 'cus my laptop -will- not boot anything other than Windows when in UEFI boot mod |
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| 15:31.47 | dym | What is the mmmZ part of a timestamp for? |
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| 15:34.58 | darkapp | hey everyone |
| 15:35.21 | darkapp | im buying a new internal hardrive, does anyone have any sugestions for what makes it good or bad |
| 15:35.27 | mbruins | hi, i need to make a website for my school project. im looking for something like frontpage (ive used it when i was 12 for a UT99 clan). im not a pro webdesigner so i need a app with click-y-click gui. is there any such thing for debian/ |
| 15:35.28 | darkapp | asides from memory space |
| 15:35.55 | mbruins | ive been looking into ooo webwriter, but thats kinda like word |
| 15:36.36 | darkapp | umm cant u use wp? |
| 15:36.48 | mbruins | what wp mate |
| 15:36.53 | darkapp | wordpress |
| 15:37.11 | mbruins | oh yeah no thats to blogg like, its should like a company url |
| 15:37.13 | mbruins | -s |
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| 15:37.20 | mbruins | that for the suggestion though |
| 15:37.45 | mbruins | and the showing pc should have to run a server. just a browser |
| 15:37.50 | mbruins | there not it minded |
| 15:37.59 | mbruins | should not have* |
| 15:38.21 | darkapp | well u can run a server from ur pc, and link the wp page to ur website |
| 15:38.27 | mbruins | true true |
| 15:38.34 | mbruins | hm |
| 15:38.50 | darkapp | o u mean a file:/// in ur browser? |
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| 15:38.55 | mbruins | yarr |
| 15:39.06 | darkapp | you can still use wp |
| 15:39.10 | mbruins | rly |
| 15:39.11 | mbruins | ? |
| 15:39.15 | Pure | I assume since the laptop is running Windows 8 and using UEFI boot, it already has the EFI partitions? |
| 15:39.16 | darkapp | theres also other wp type websites out there |
| 15:39.25 | Pure | Drupal? |
| 15:39.27 | darkapp | Pure, ? |
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| 15:39.44 | mbruins | hm i quess i got to look abit into wp more then. just thought it was server run only |
| 15:39.45 | Iridos | mbruins, well, bluefish |
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| 15:39.55 | mbruins | any other suggestions are welcome aswell |
| 15:40.02 | mbruins | Iridos: thanks ill google it just a sec |
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| 15:40.11 | darkapp | Pure> I assume since the laptop is running Windows 8 and using UEFI boot, it already has the EFI partitions? |
| 15:40.11 | Iridos | google? |
| 15:40.13 | darkapp | ? |
| 15:40.28 | Iridos | mbruins, apt-cache show bluefish |
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| 15:40.53 | Iridos | mbruins, also apt-cache search "html editor" |
| 15:40.58 | darkapp | <darkapp> hey everyone |
| 15:40.58 | darkapp | <darkapp> im buying a new internal hardrive, does anyone have any sugestions for what makes it good or bad |
| 15:41.06 | darkapp | <darkapp> asides from memory space |
| 15:41.10 | mbruins | Iridos: im not really a code monkey i dont have the mind set |
| 15:41.19 | Iridos | mbruins, what? |
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| 15:41.42 | mbruins | 17:40 < Iridos> mbruins, also apt-cache search "html editor" |
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| 15:42.38 | darkapp | mbruins, u could use gedit or notepad++ |
| 15:42.48 | mbruins | and just code right? |
| 15:42.57 | Diranged | I'm a bit confused… I have a debian build directory for creating my own debian package. In the parent directory, I have the foo_ver.orig.tar.gz file. when i run debuild or dpkg-buildpackage though they don't seem to untar the orig.tar.gz file and use it for source.. |
| 15:43.01 | Iridos | mbruins, are you saying you can type here in irc, but you're unable to type 'apt-cache search "html editor"' into a shell? |
| 15:43.02 | darkapp | mhmm |
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| 15:43.08 | Iridos | or...? |
| 15:43.09 | mbruins | no |
| 15:43.09 | mbruins | :D |
| 15:43.11 | Diranged | i assumed i could separate the source from the packaging code that way.. |
| 15:43.35 | mbruins | im saying im not html skilled and bothered to read the man to make a quick website for my school project |
| 15:43.44 | mbruins | i just want to make a quick website with a gui |
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| 15:44.11 | Iridos | well... I think I cannot be bothered to work out what you mean.... |
| 15:44.25 | mbruins | haha frontpage in wine it is then |
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| 15:44.38 | mbruins | ty darkapp and Iridos have a nice weekend |
| 15:44.45 | darkapp | u too |
| 15:44.46 | darkapp | gl |
| 15:44.49 | mbruins | ty |
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| 15:47.12 | spazzino | ciao |
| 15:47.15 | spazzino | !list |
| 15:47.17 | dpkg | spazzino: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 15:47.31 | Iridos | yay |
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| 15:49.09 | maxagaz | hi |
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| 15:52.05 | peaceblaster | Would it be possible to get Gnome 3.8 running smoothly on Debian? I haven't tried Debian before |
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| 15:58.09 | mtn | peaceblaster: probably not. stable has 3.4 and that is what it will be for a couple of years or so. |
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| 15:58.44 | mtn | peaceblaster: not a huge difference between 3.4 and 3.8, is there? |
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| 16:03.02 | blut | What happend to the restore_paused option of mpd 0.16.7? |
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| 16:03.46 | stabp | Hi, despite I've read dozen of forum/post/guide I still don't have a clear idea about how to install debian in "uefi mode". I didn't even understood if it is recommended to switch to uefi or if for now it's safer to use bios. Can someone give me an hint or point me something to read that goes straight to the point? I almost finished to read this http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/index.html to get an idea of what |
| 16:03.46 | stabp | uefi is, but I'm still confused and mostly I'd like to read something more "debian specific". Is there someone who did this before? |
| 16:04.26 | Trae32566-NE | heh |
| 16:04.32 | Trae32566-NE | stabp, good luck |
| 16:04.40 | peaceblaster | mtn: Sorry, was on another channel for a bit. Yeah there's not a huge difference, I just wanted to make sure I could run something recent, and not end up stuck with 2.x like I did in FreeBSD lol |
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| 16:04.49 | Trae32566-NE | Installing linux in UEFI mode has been the biggest pain in the ass ever for me |
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| 16:05.03 | comodo_dragon | stabp: you need to boot into UEFI setup pressing F10 or F12 when your pc boots. After than go to SECURE BOOT -> DISABLE (disabled UEFI). Then feel free to install Debian. |
| 16:05.26 | Trae32566-NE | comodo_dragon, no, you can install in UEFI mode as well |
| 16:05.33 | peaceblaster | yeah, unless it's an ARM machine then you're just screwed |
| 16:05.40 | comodo_dragon | UEFI is just pain in the ass for me. I got a laptop that came with UEFI enabled and WIn8 installed. Took me ages to figure it out. |
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| 16:05.51 | comodo_dragon | Read forums etc, best advice was to disable secure boot. |
| 16:05.54 | peaceblaster | I know Fedora and Ubuntu still work because some money changed hands, but idk about Debian. |
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| 16:06.07 | Trae32566-NE | and in theory it'd be better, but I've never actually succeeded in installing any flavor of linux on my UEFI box |
| 16:06.30 | Trae32566-NE | reason being the BIOS has a 'smart switch' that decides when to run in UEFI and when to run in BIOS mode |
| 16:06.37 | peaceblaster | I triple boot on mine fine, but I built the PC myself so no OEM. |
| 16:06.49 | Trae32566-NE | and apparently it sees *nix and goes "OH shit! it's not windows, boot legacy!' |
| 16:06.58 | comodo_dragon | :D |
| 16:06.58 | Trae32566-NE | peaceblaster, I did too |
| 16:07.02 | comodo_dragon | windows = nazis |
| 16:07.07 | peaceblaster | ^ |
| 16:07.12 | Pure | On my laptop, you have to go into the BIOS and change boot modes. |
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| 16:07.19 | Pure | And it's near impossible to get to the BIOS |
| 16:07.23 | Trae32566-NE | peaceblaster, that's on a $400 ASUS motherboard |
| 16:07.40 | stabp | Trae32566-NE, so you have windows in uefi mode but linux boot in compatibility mode? |
| 16:07.51 | Trae32566-NE | it won't let me force UEFI, so yes. |
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| 16:07.58 | Trae32566-NE | well, I used to |
| 16:08.00 | comodo_dragon | tablets that come with win8 preinstalled, well you cannot install anything else. thank you windows8 |
| 16:08.06 | Trae32566-NE | I just virtualize everything on windows 7 now |
| 16:08.11 | Trae32566-NE | I have my reasons though |
| 16:08.12 | peaceblaster | Trae32566-NE: Interesting, I have a $100 or $200 ASUS mobo idr which, and I haven't had any problems |
| 16:08.35 | Trae32566-NE | if I didn't need DirectX for games, I'd be running ESXI |
| 16:08.38 | peaceblaster | though I also have 3 separate hard drives |
| 16:08.43 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
| 16:08.46 | Trae32566-NE | I have 9 |
| 16:08.50 | Trae32566-NE | * 7 |
| 16:08.51 | peaceblaster | nice |
| 16:09.00 | peaceblaster | MAXIMUM OVER-RAID |
| 16:09.39 | Trae32566-NE | 2 x 256gb Corsair GS in Raid 0, 2 x Samsung F4 320 in Raid 0, and 2 x Seagate 3TB in Raid 1 for backups |
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| 16:09.58 | Trae32566-NE | and yes, those Sata 3 SSDs in Raid 0 scream at 1.1GB\s |
| 16:10.05 | stabp | comodo_dragon, actually I've build the pc myself, so no secure boot problem here. but I don't understand how to make a "uefi compatible" usb stick to install. |
| 16:10.17 | peaceblaster | Have you been pulled over for speeding yet? lol |
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| 16:10.30 | comodo_dragon | ah i see |
| 16:10.34 | Trae32566-NE | peaceblaster, you should see how fast my VMs are |
| 16:10.48 | Trae32566-NE | reboot my debian testing server in ~7 sec |
| 16:10.49 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
| 16:11.19 | comodo_dragon | uefi compatible. i dont understand what that means. i read a forum thread about how to install ubuntu on uefi enable machines |
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| 16:11.54 | stabp | Trae32566-NE, so if I understood right now you have installed only debian on your pc right? and it boot in compatibility mode right? |
| 16:11.54 | Pure | Furthermore, if the computer supports the "Connected Standby" feature of Windows 8, then the firmware is not permitted to contain a Compatibility Support Module (CSM). As such, systems that support Connected Standby are incapable of booting Legacy BIOS operating systems. |
| 16:11.58 | Pure | This slightly annoys me |
| 16:12.03 | peaceblaster | Trae32566-NE: This amount of jealousy isn't good for my blood pressure |
| 16:12.29 | Trae32566-NE | if you ever see me go offline, count how long I'm gone. chances are that I'll come back in ~6 sec, ZNC comes up with my web server |
| 16:12.31 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
| 16:12.40 | comodo_dragon | but thats about i know. i suspect that in the future, more and more companies will try to manipulate the masses who go to clue about computers. iwas lucky my laptop was able to get configured and remove uefi secure boot. apparently some laptops you CANNOT do that. win8 ftw.. it really sucks though. |
| 16:12.51 | Trae32566-NE | stabp, no, I boot only windows 7, virtualize on top of it |
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| 16:13.29 | Trae32566-NE | again |
| 16:13.45 | Trae32566-NE | my reason is this: I bought a GTX680 and OCed it for a reason, I like games |
| 16:14.01 | Trae32566-NE | meaning I need DirectX :( |
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| 16:14.38 | stabp | comodo_dragon, uefi replace the old bios, and the boot procedure is different. You have to make a efi partition to be capable of using uefi and not falling in the compatibility mode and use the "old bios" |
| 16:14.53 | stabp | Trae32566-NE, sorry didn't read it before! |
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| 16:16.02 | Trae32566-NE | peaceblaster, I made the box to be a server / android build server |
| 16:16.27 | Trae32566-NE | it has 32GB DDR3 2400, and a 3930k @ 4.5 |
| 16:16.34 | Trae32566-NE | it hauls ass, lol |
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| 16:16.57 | Trae32566-NE | except when I compile. then it feels like an Atom. |
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| 16:18.16 | johnfg | I have a few perl programs on my website, brought over from the squeeze server, that aren't running right on wheezy. |
| 16:18.38 | johnfg | I want to make sure I have all the correct/same php programs on wheezy as squeeze. |
| 16:19.46 | johnfg | I saw that in synaptic pkg mgr, there's an option to generate a script of selected programs, that could then be used on another computer. I selected all php stuff on squeeze, and tried to save it as a script, but it didn't work. |
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| 16:20.25 | johnfg | Is there another way I can 'find' all the php programs I have installed on squeeze, save it, so I can do the same on wheezy? |
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| 16:20.53 | Trae32566-NE | johnfg, your best bet is to read the logs and install whatever its failing at, follow it from there |
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| 16:22.35 | johnfg | Trae32566-NE: Good idea. I'll check that out. |
| 16:22.42 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi moof |
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| 16:23.31 | Diranged | Can anyone help me with packaging some custom debian packages? |
| 16:24.07 | Diranged | I'm trying to clean up some existing code.. our old code took a custom "debian" package dir (control, changelog, all those files..) and an original tarball and merged them (untarred the tarball, copied in the deb directory.. then ran dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 16:24.33 | Diranged | I feel like there should be a cleaner way to do this… ie, just tell debuilder or dpkg-buildpackage where the original source tarball its and let it do the merging itself. Is that right? |
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| 16:25.50 | stabp | however I |
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| 16:26.31 | apollo13_ | Does anyone else gets segfaults after upgrading experimental today? seems to come from xcursor or similar |
| 16:27.31 | ksk | apollo13_: you may ask in #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 16:27.37 | ksk | in here we mainly handle stable |
| 16:28.07 | apollo13_ | ksk: ah sry, I missed the topic, mistakenly read the chanserv notice as topic (stupid webchat) |
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| 16:33.01 | zerick | I have a Debian that is crashing recently, there have not bein critical changes (any kernel update or packaged, for example) |
| 16:33.27 | zerick | How could I "find" more precisely what could be happening ? |
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| 16:36.17 | ksk | zerick: whats crashing actually? |
| 16:36.25 | ksk | machine rebooting? freezes? |
| 16:36.27 | awc737 | when I hit enter in Chromium on forms, it opens a new tab! so annoying |
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| 16:38.01 | zerick | ksk: I saw it first was a kernel error, it crashes after some hours, when I plug the monitor the keyboard doesn't respond, I can't see that error again |
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| 16:39.27 | ksk | reboot it, copy the error from kern.log and pastebin it here |
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| 16:42.03 | wakd | How do I get hd-media/vmlinuz and netinst.iso installer to start in "expert" mode? There's no boot prompt it goes straight into the installer. |
| 16:43.14 | zerick | ksk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697523/ |
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| 16:45.17 | ksk | ubuntu... pff! |
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| 16:46.54 | zerick | ksk xD sorry, the debian one didn't let me paste more than 150kb :/ |
| 16:47.18 | ksk | that paste does not contain an error |
| 16:47.30 | ksk | or i cant find one. whatever. |
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| 16:48.15 | wakd | I'm doing this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 16:48.16 | Trae32566-NE | ksk, What's wrong with ubuntu?! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ |
| 16:48.41 | ksk | Trae32566-NE: nothing. irony. you know`? |
| 16:48.49 | Trae32566-NE | ahh |
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| 16:49.36 | zerick | ksk: where could be append that message that I saw on the monitor display? |
| 16:50.25 | zerick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.45 | stabp | wakd, still here? |
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| 16:56.05 | wakd | stabp: yup |
| 16:56.48 | johanbr | Hi. I have an NFS server running wheezy and attempting to export a tmpfs over NFS v4 makes the mount hang on the client. Am I doing something wrong? Regular (non-tmpfs) mounts work. |
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| 16:58.00 | stabp | wakd, do you have the syslinux.cfg? I think you should add the option "priority=low" |
| 16:59.27 | wakd | I'm booting from grub-legacy. Should I add that to the vmlinuz line in grub.conf? |
| 16:59.36 | johanbr | I should add that I am mounting the exported NFS tmpfs inside a local tmpfs as well. |
| 16:59.39 | wakd | stabp: ^ |
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| 17:03.17 | stabp | wakd, try this way initrd /boot/newinstall/initrd.gz priority=low |
| 17:03.59 | wakd | stabp: I've just done 'vmlinuz priority=low' and it is working thank you! |
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| 17:04.37 | stabp | wakd, eheh ok! |
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| 17:06.32 | wakd | stabp: not very intuitive .. must be why its called "expert" mode :) |
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| 17:09.00 | tharkun | I need to check the nic speed on some machines, what is the weapon of choice? |
| 17:10.19 | OpenTokix | tharkun: ethtool |
| 17:10.27 | OpenTokix | tharkun: just: ethtool nicname |
| 17:10.58 | tharkun | OpenTokix: thanks |
| 17:11.11 | OpenTokix | tharkun: it is not installed by default |
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| 17:12.42 | tharkun | OpenTokix: I know, For some reason I was thinking iotop gave me that kind of info |
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| 17:13.37 | OpenTokix | tharkun: well, it's friday |
| 17:14.48 | tharkun | OpenTokix: any top like tool to monitor network speed? |
| 17:15.03 | dawud | tharkun: bmon |
| 17:15.04 | OpenTokix | tharkun: yes, ntop - but it sucks _a lot_ of cpu |
| 17:15.16 | OpenTokix | tharkun: so not advicable on a busy machine |
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| 17:16.58 | stabp | wakd, usually when you start the installation you get a screen like this http://d7e5flx326h4k.cloudfront.net/files/linux.x64_11gr2_database001.png and if you go in "advaced option" you can choose the expert install. I don't know why you don't have it, but it happened the same to me :) |
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| 17:17.56 | tharkun | OpenTokix: thanks I need a photograph of the usaga, I think bmon will do the trick (thans dawud ) |
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| 17:18.50 | OpenTokix | tharkun: ok |
| 17:19.15 | OpenTokix | tharkun: sorry, iftop is the program - not ntop |
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| 17:19.31 | OpenTokix | tharkun: iptraf is nice to |
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| 17:22.36 | wakd | stabp: Thank you for the png. I see only the text installer. Could be because I have the beta4 release of the installer, the one just before wheezy was released. |
| 17:23.35 | ambrk | Hi, all. I'm using Dropbear with the initramfs to decrypt a LUKS partition remotely. What's the best/proper way to get Dropbear to use the same host key as OpenSSH so I don't get bombarded with warnings when trying to connect? |
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| 17:28.20 | wakd | stabp: Hey its working great now! ... My first time doing an entire base install from an 'approx' server on my lan ... fast! Thanks again! |
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| 17:29.38 | freax | hi guys |
| 17:29.41 | freax | got a silly question |
| 17:29.42 | freax | http://swtch.com/plan9port/ |
| 17:29.49 | freax | could someone dumb me down what this software is? |
| 17:29.50 | stabp | wakd, :) no problem! |
| 17:30.10 | freax | and why I need to install it inorder to install this software?: http://werc.cat-v.org/news/ |
| 17:30.18 | darkapp | so anyone here know what to look for in an internal HD? |
| 17:30.47 | OpenTokix | ambrk: you can supply the keys on the commandline when you start dropbear |
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| 17:31.04 | freax | yeah, the label "Western Digital Caviar Blue" for storage, or "Western Digital Caviar Black" for a high capacity storage system drive, or an SSD for a system drive |
| 17:31.08 | freax | or SCSI |
| 17:31.11 | freax | SAS |
| 17:31.16 | ambrk | OpenTokix: I'll look into that. |
| 17:31.23 | OpenTokix | ambrk: http://linux.die.net/man/8/dropbear |
| 17:31.36 | ambrk | It's just that it's started by the initramfs. |
| 17:31.43 | ambrk | So I'm not 100% sure where to specify the launch options. |
| 17:31.49 | OpenTokix | ambrk: oh |
| 17:32.00 | ambrk | You only log in to provide the key. |
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| 17:32.07 | ambrk | Then you log out and Dropbear closes, and the system boots. |
| 17:32.21 | freax | whoa, I wonder if that could be run on a minix system |
| 17:32.25 | freax | ie, dropbear |
| 17:32.32 | freax | on 2.0.2 minix on a 286 |
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| 17:36.15 | preyalone | Can someone help me fix my broken apt? I ran `do-release-upgrade`, and haven't been able to update my packages. |
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| 17:38.40 | jhutchins_wk | freaxasleep: There is a #plan9 channel. |
| 17:39.50 | jhutchins_wk | preyalone: There is no such command in Debian. |
| 17:40.39 | pi8475 | hi folks i've got this problem i am stuck on. maybe you can point me in the right direction. i want to install nmap on a raspi an want to keep the installation slim. apt-get ... lists 38 pakets and about 30MB to install (aside gnuplot fonts etc) with nmap. apt-cache depends nmap shows 9 pakets as dependencies. is there way to install without the "drive by pakets" ? |
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| 17:41.14 | preyalone | jhutchins_wk: I tried updating my Ubuntu system and apt became corrupt. #ubuntu isn't responding. |
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| 17:42.43 | preyalone | My Linux virtual server is hosted by Gandi.net, but they refuse support requests about Linux specifics. |
| 17:42.44 | jhutchins_wk | preyalone: That's not a problem we can help you with. Like I said, that command doesn't even exist. |
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| 17:43.13 | preyalone | jhutchins_wk: Maybe no in Debian. But apt gets corrupted sometimes in Debian, so there's knowledge here I'd like to tap. |
| 17:43.25 | jhutchins_wk | preyalone: No. |
| 17:43.40 | jhutchins_wk | preyalone: It's a different system, it runs differently and breaks differently. |
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| 17:44.05 | jhutchins_wk | preyalone: If you can't get help from their IRC, look for forums and/or mailing lists. |
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| 17:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | preyalone: They have an extensive wiki as well. |
| 17:44.29 | preyalone | jhutchins_wk: Roger. Though they're even less responsive than IRC. |
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| 17:48.01 | petn-randall | Hey everyone, I have a unavailable PV (it's ok, I have none of the volumes mounted), but pvscan still tries to access it and I get I/O errors. Is there any way to tell LVM to not regard the device any more? |
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| 17:51.59 | Yeretik | How can i check if my kernel supports OpenVZ ? |
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| 17:52.51 | Yeretik | FTR Linux ****** 3.8-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.8.13-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:53.31 | wakd | stabp: ciao |
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| 17:54.27 | ksk | Yeretik: oh, you hide your hostname? |
| 17:54.37 | Yeretik | ksk, :P |
| 17:54.42 | ksk | Yeretik: only openvz kernel supports openvz. so no, you kernel does not |
| 17:54.45 | ksk | and goto #openvz |
| 17:54.50 | ksk | its not topic in here. |
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| 17:55.02 | Yeretik | Hmmm, even if i'm using Debian? |
| 17:55.15 | will_tampa | Hi all |
| 17:55.25 | Hydroxide | ksk: we do ship openvz support I think |
| 17:55.37 | mumpitze1 | !openvz |
| 17:55.37 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22. Deprecated in Debian (bug #574529) and not supported for <wheezy>; ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:55.49 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: are you running squeeze or wheezy? |
| 17:55.51 | ksk | :) |
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| 17:56.09 | ksk | he is running a custom kernel so the answer of this question is not relevant. |
| 17:56.24 | ksk | Hydroxide: openvz.org - all you need is written there. |
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| 17:56.27 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, Sid |
| 17:56.32 | ksk | erm, for Yeretik |
| 17:56.34 | pi8475 | maybe check openvzorg/Quick_installation#Requirements |
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| 17:57.07 | pi8475 | sry openvz.org of course |
| 17:57.11 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: well Debian itself doesn't provide support for openvz usage in sid, and for sid in general, #debian isn't the right support channel anyway (that's #debian-next on irc.debian.org aka OFTC) |
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| 17:57.37 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, It's clear |
| 17:57.54 | Hydroxide | ksk: btw that doesn't look like a custom kernel, it looks like a Debian-provided kernel from sid |
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| 17:58.00 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, My point is about, Wheezy, for example |
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| 17:58.11 | Hydroxide | ksk: either way, you're right, this is the wrong place for his q :) |
| 17:58.16 | Yeretik | Custom? No |
| 17:59.04 | pi8475 | btw the mentioned page says openvz assumes you are running a recent release of fedora core |
| 17:59.08 | ksk | oh yes, you are right. |
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| 17:59.29 | jelly-home | Yeretik: that particular kernel does _not_ support openvz |
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| 18:00.03 | Yeretik | Details for Wheezy found on wiki.debian.org/OpenVz |
| 18:00.16 | grobda24 | How can I resinstall packages with a wildcard - "*alsa*" - using apt-get ? |
| 18:00.22 | grobda24 | reinstall* |
| 18:01.01 | jelly-home | Yeretik: since debian has given up on building openvz kernels, you're probably going to have to grab them from openvz.org |
| 18:01.02 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: yes, those details are good suggestions to follow, but they're suggestions that point you to third-party sources like folks have already pointed you to in this chat |
| 18:01.41 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: it doesn't imply support from Debian. OpenVZ is not in the mainstream Linux kernel, so it's more that Debian has stopped patching in support for it, rather than removing support which Linux offers |
| 18:02.27 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: the second bullet point on that wiki mentions a limited subset that could potentially work on sufficiently recent mainline kernels, maybe including the 3.8 you're running, but either way that's beyond the scope of #debian support |
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| 18:03.01 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: you're certainly welcome to try that before switching to non-Debian kernels if it meets your needs and works for the kernel you're running. |
| 18:03.33 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: or try the alternative virtualization systems are still in debian, such as the ones dpkg referenced |
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| 18:03.49 | pi8475 | grobda: apt-get install alsa doesnt work ? tried purging and then installating again ? |
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| 18:04.28 | SmashingX | how can I see the ip of the people connected to my ssh server? |
| 18:04.44 | ksk | SmashingX: "w"` |
| 18:04.45 | ksk | ? |
| 18:04.48 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, Like KVM ? |
| 18:04.58 | SmashingX | ?? |
| 18:05.00 | SmashingX | what? |
| 18:05.10 | ksk | use the command "w" |
| 18:05.13 | ksk | or who |
| 18:05.15 | format_c | SmashingX, netstat -tn | grep :22 |
| 18:05.42 | SmashingX | I already did |
| 18:05.45 | SmashingX | does't show it |
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| 18:06.13 | format_c | does netstat -tn show anything? |
| 18:06.14 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: for example, yes. |
| 18:06.15 | pi8475 | try ssh instead of 22 |
| 18:06.24 | jhutchins_wk | SmashingX: You might find it in /var/log/auth |
| 18:06.27 | Yeretik | grobda24, Try something like "aptitude install ~nalsa" |
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| 18:06.33 | SmashingX | I think so, let me check |
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| 18:06.42 | grobda24 | Yeretik: thanks |
| 18:06.42 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: I need to refocus my attention away from IRC now, but people here can assist you with KVM. |
| 18:06.56 | Hydroxide | ksk: though if you're running sid, please instead ask in #debian-next on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net or OFTC) |
| 18:07.04 | Hydroxide | err |
| 18:07.08 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: though if you're running sid, please instead ask in #debian-next on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net or OFTC) |
| 18:07.21 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, Ok, thanks a lot |
| 18:07.22 | Hydroxide | stops watching IRC for the moment |
| 18:07.27 | Hydroxide | good luck. |
| 18:08.03 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, You have been kicked from #debian-next by ChanServ (You are not authorized to be on this channel) WTF ? |
| 18:08.15 | SmashingX | w, did it |
| 18:08.16 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, What kind of authorization i need ? |
| 18:08.24 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: are you trying freenode or OFTC? |
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| 18:08.31 | jelly-home | Yeretik: wrong irc server |
| 18:08.48 | Yeretik | freenode |
| 18:09.07 | jelly-home | Yeretik: read the "on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net or OFTC)" part please. |
| 18:09.07 | preyalone | I was able to fix my corrupted apt thanks to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1904226&p=11586018#post11586018. |
| 18:09.13 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: #debian is officially available on both equally, but OFTC is the primary official IRC home of Debian, and #debian-next is only over there. |
| 18:09.38 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: it's not quite as high-traffic/fast-paced as here, but plenty of people are available to help anyway. |
| 18:09.42 | SmashingX | is it pretty hard to compile and build a new kernel? |
| 18:10.02 | Yeretik | Hydroxide, What the address of the oftc server ? |
| 18:10.10 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: irc.debian.org works |
| 18:10.21 | Hydroxide | Yeretik: or irc.oftc.net. i.e. what I said :) |
| 18:10.43 | Yeretik | Okay, thanks again |
| 18:10.44 | petn-randall | SmashingX: It's quite easy, really. Check out make-kpkg, it the way to build it. |
| 18:10.49 | Hydroxide | np |
| 18:11.12 | SmashingX | petn-randall: you mean man make-kpkg? |
| 18:11.28 | petn-randall | SmashingX: For example |
| 18:11.31 | jelly-home | SmashingX: it depends. Have you ever made a Makefile and built your own C code? Then it's reasonably easy. |
| 18:11.42 | SmashingX | command not found |
| 18:11.53 | mumpitze1 | petn-randall: make-kpkg has been deprecated. make dep-pkg directly from the kernel sources |
| 18:11.59 | SmashingX | man make-kpkg |
| 18:12.07 | petn-randall | SmashingX: You can use dlocate to find which package it's in. It's in 'kernel-package'. |
| 18:12.15 | mumpitze1 | SmashingX: no need for it |
| 18:12.28 | jelly-home | SmashingX: if you can't figure out you have to install stuff to get a missing command, it might be hard. |
| 18:12.48 | SmashingX | ok I'll follow this tutorial, http://www.wikihow.com/Compile-the-Linux-Kernel |
| 18:12.54 | SmashingX | hopefully this can make it |
| 18:13.02 | jelly-home | mumpitze1: still, deb-pkg sometimes misses a couple headers |
| 18:13.59 | mumpitze1 | mea culpa. wrote it wrong. thanks for spotting it |
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| 18:14.46 | pi8475 | SmashingX: there are lots of guides to install kernels just check out some. wiki.debian.org/KernelFAQ |
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| 18:47.10 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: Ah, interesting, I didn't know that. |
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| 18:47.33 | petn-randall | SmashingX: Actually, I WOULDN'T follow that tutorial. |
| 18:47.43 | SmashingX | whay? |
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| 18:47.46 | SmashingX | why? |
| 18:47.55 | nmeum | I am trying to mount a sdcard under debian, but it doesn't show up in dmseg after I inserted it into my builtin sdcard reader, help anyone? |
| 18:48.26 | petn-randall | SmashingX: I installs the kernel without a package, straight onto the filesystem. I personally refrain from doing that with any kind of software. |
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| 18:48.55 | SmashingX | ok so now that I extracted the kernel, what command should I run? |
| 18:48.59 | SmashingX | make mrproper? |
| 18:49.06 | SmashingX | I see that in the README file |
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| 18:49.48 | petn-randall | SmashingX: You need to configure it first with e.g. make menuconfig, then build a package either with 'make deb-pkg' or 'make-kpkg'. |
| 18:50.33 | SmashingX | make menuconfig gave me an error |
| 18:50.33 | SmashingX | it said I didn't have the nsources |
| 18:50.33 | SmashingX | or something like that |
| 18:50.41 | SmashingX | nsources-dev |
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| 18:51.49 | mumpitzel | as jelly-home remakred before: if you can't even install packages, building a kernel is not for you |
| 18:52.25 | jdoles | What do I need to get a working mail command? |
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| 18:53.46 | nmeum | I am trying to mount a sdcard under debian, but it doesn't show up in dmseg after I inserted it into my builtin sdcard reader, help anyone? |
| 18:54.46 | mumpitzel | jdoles: you install mailx |
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| 18:55.03 | mumpitzel | nmeum: did the card work before in that reader? |
| 18:55.34 | nmeum | mumpitzel: yeah, a couple of months ago under arch linux |
| 18:55.42 | jdoles | mumpitzel: that is provided by multiple packages. |
| 18:55.52 | nmeum | jdoles: take bsd-mailx |
| 18:55.57 | jdoles | mumpitzel: what exactly does the mail command do? |
| 18:56.11 | nmeum | read the manpage |
| 18:56.12 | mumpitzel | it " mail, mailx, Mail — send and receive mail" |
| 18:56.33 | jhutchins_wk | nmeum: Find out what hardware it is and search for what driver it needs. |
| 18:56.33 | jdoles | mumpitzel: does it depend on a local server for example? |
| 18:56.42 | mumpitzel | nmeum: and dmesg doesn't show anything? is the reader recognized by the kernel? |
| 18:57.04 | mumpitzel | jdoles: yes, every mail client depends on a SMTP server. for readon it doesn't: /var/mail/ |
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| 18:57.20 | nmeum | jhutchins_wk mumpitzel: lsusb output "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device (Multicard Reader)" thus I think it is recognized |
| 18:57.30 | nmeum | s/output/&s/ |
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| 18:59.25 | mumpitzel | nmeum: how big is the card you want to access? |
| 18:59.52 | nmeum | mumpitzel: 8 GB |
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| 19:00.51 | mumpitzel | that's it. it's too big apparently: http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/4620-solved-alcor-micro-corp-8-in-1-media-card-reader-not-showing-in-file-manager/ |
| 19:00.59 | jdoles | I already had bsd-mailx installed. How can I setup a complete mail solution such that I can send e-mails from e.g. Emacs (including all of the setup for a possible mail server, etc.)? |
| 19:01.07 | mumpitzel | 4GB is max aka SD card. above 4GB, aka SDHC cards: no go |
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| 19:01.25 | jdoles | This is something a billion people already have configured, I am sure. |
| 19:01.30 | mumpitzel | jdoles: debian does this by default via exim |
| 19:01.35 | nmeum | mumpitzel: there is no way to mount it? Oo |
| 19:01.48 | mumpitzel | nmeum: not with this hardware apparently. |
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| 19:02.32 | jdoles | mumpitzel: does it also explain somewhere what it does? |
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| 19:03.13 | jdoles | mumpitzel: a "manpage" might be useful as a reference, but I am talking about some Debian developer who just explains in a few pages how the system works and why it works the way it works. |
| 19:03.36 | mumpitzel | no. to understand how mail works, take a year, or a few more |
| 19:03.43 | jdoles | mumpitzel: this is what would be considered "basic documentation" in closed source environments. |
| 19:03.49 | pi8475 | does the reader have multiple slots ? did you use the correct devicename (e.g. /dev/sde) ? |
| 19:04.00 | jdoles | mumpitzel: I am not talking about *all* the details and RFCs. |
| 19:04.01 | mumpitzel | exim comes with documentation. and tons of howtos, tutorials, etc |
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| 19:04.41 | jdoles | mumpitzel: then it shouldn't be hard to point me at one good document. |
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| 19:04.44 | nmeum | jdoles: you want to know how emails work? |
| 19:05.05 | jdoles | nmeum: no, how e-mail on Debian works by default apparently. |
| 19:05.06 | mumpitzel | easy: http://exim.org/docs.html |
| 19:05.23 | nmeum | jdoles: that depends on the software you are using... |
| 19:05.38 | jdoles | nmeum: no, it does not. |
| 19:05.47 | jdoles | nmeum: I specified the constraints already. |
| 19:05.58 | pi8475 | if unplug reader type tail -f /var/log/messages und plugin the reader again. the reader with its slots is shown then |
| 19:05.58 | jdoles | nmeum: Debian refers to Debian Wheezy. |
| 19:06.11 | jdoles | nmeum: "by default" means "by default via Exim". |
| 19:06.23 | jdoles | nmeum: I also talked about the "mail command". |
| 19:06.37 | jdoles | nmeum: hence, this uniquely defined my question. |
| 19:06.45 | jdoles | nmeum: hence, your comment was not applicable. |
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| 19:07.16 | nmeum | jdoles: aha? |
| 19:07.19 | nkuttler | i'm sure your meta discussion will help you solve the problem |
| 19:07.33 | nmeum | jdoles: hence you don't want me to help you? |
| 19:07.49 | jdoles | nmeum: I don't want you to ask redundant questions. |
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| 19:08.00 | jdoles | nmeum: if you call that helping, then yes. |
| 19:08.17 | mumpitzel | jdoles: you just made me not want to help you. I think nmeum feels similar. have a nice day |
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| 19:08.45 | Mike3620 | hping3: you must specify only one target host at a time << What am I doing wrong |
| 19:08.51 | jdoles | mumpitzel: you haven't helped me, so, I don't think there is a loss. |
| 19:09.05 | petn-randall | jdoles: exim isn't a default. If you install a minimal system, it's not even there. |
| 19:09.17 | jdoles | petn-randall: ok, so mumpitzel was even wrong. |
| 19:09.25 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: since when? it usually was. always had to replace it to get postfix |
| 19:09.41 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: Even on minimal? |
| 19:09.52 | jdoles | Anyway, I think it is a fair question to ask how to install a complete mail solution. |
| 19:09.55 | mumpitzel | standard netinst, no tasksel is how I usually install |
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| 19:10.09 | petn-randall | jdoles: Do you want to receive mail, too? |
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| 19:10.20 | jdoles | petn-randall: I do that in a different way. |
| 19:10.38 | jdoles | petn-randall: I would like to send e-mail via a GMail account if possible. |
| 19:10.49 | jdoles | petn-randall: I think postfix can do that. |
| 19:11.05 | jdoles | petn-randall: and ideally I would like to associate different users with different accounts. |
| 19:11.25 | jdoles | petn-randall: so, that when they are in Emacs or just on the command line, they can send an e-mail easily. |
| 19:11.34 | petn-randall | jdoles: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/network-services.html#sect.smtp-mail-server |
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| 19:12.36 | jdoles | petn-randall: thanks. Do you not agree that an actual operating system should come with its own extensive documentation (kind of like FreeBSD does)? |
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| 19:13.05 | petn-randall | jdoles: It does? |
| 19:13.14 | jdoles | petn-randall: I am already happy with the manpages, and all that, and /usr/share/doc, but sometimes you want a bit more. |
| 19:13.32 | jdoles | petn-randall: it is my understanding that lots of documentation is out of date. |
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| 19:14.07 | roachy | jdoles: http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 19:14.16 | jdoles | roachy: that is a third party. |
| 19:14.29 | jdoles | roachy: and it does not exist for a very long time. |
| 19:14.35 | petn-randall | jdoles: I can't vouch for *all* documentation, but all I've seen coming directly from Debian has always been current and quite good. |
| 19:14.42 | damarusama | hi there, I have a local web server (lamp) and I have a htdoc in my home, I would like to add my user to the web/apache group, but I don't know what group it is or how to do it |
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| 19:15.03 | jdoles | petn-randall: perhaps I use some packages which are less popular which gives a skewed view. |
| 19:15.14 | nkuttler | damarusama: www-data |
| 19:15.21 | damarusama | :D |
| 19:15.27 | jdoles | petn-randall: anyway, I will see whether I can get this to work. |
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| 19:15.49 | damarusama | nkuttler: thanks, should I change the group of the htdoc folder to that too |
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| 19:16.02 | mumpitzel | damarusama: the user/group is www-data |
| 19:16.05 | nkuttler | damarusama: what htdoc directory? |
| 19:16.05 | twobitsprite | so... I have this massive tarball (a backup of another system) which I'm extracting, and several hours in to it I realize it has a TON of useless files that I don't need (logs, etc)... |
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| 19:16.28 | damarusama | nkuttler: I have a /var/www/ forwarded to a /home/me/htdoc |
| 19:16.31 | twobitsprite | I'm looking to skip over those, but I don't want to have to start the extraction over again... would there be a way to skip ahead in the tar.gz? |
| 19:16.47 | nkuttler | damarusama: forwarded? |
| 19:16.52 | mumpitzel | twobitsprite: no |
| 19:17.01 | twobitsprite | I know I can use tar commands to skip files, etc... but it still needs to decompress the huge gz file, so I really need a way to skip ahead in the gz |
| 19:17.13 | damarusama | nkuttler: sorry ln, so that it's easier for me to edit my webpage |
| 19:17.24 | twobitsprite | mumpitzel: :( |
| 19:17.43 | nkuttler | damarusama: well, give the httpd only +rw if it needs it |
| 19:17.44 | petn-randall | jdoles: Do that, come back if you have any more questions. Keep in mind though that we're all helping here out on our volunteer time, so people tend to find fighting over irrelevant details very tiring. |
| 19:17.54 | twobitsprite | mumpitzel: there's no way to have gzip skip the first X bytes of the compressed file and start uncompressing from there? |
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| 19:19.41 | petn-randall | twobitsprite: You can spread the extraction process over several CPUs with 'pigz', but I think the whole file still needs to be decompressed to do the seeking. |
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| 19:19.43 | damarusama | nkuttler: ok thanks, I'll play around! |
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| 19:23.43 | petn-randall | twobitsprite: Btw, look into bacula if you have large amounts of data to backup, it's much more convenient to restore from it than from a huge tarball. |
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| 19:24.14 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: if it's a tar.gz then it's one large file gzipped. |
| 19:24.31 | will_tampa | Hi all |
| 19:24.37 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: You could unzip it, then you could selectively un-tar individual files with pattern matching. |
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| 19:31.26 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Have you checked the man page yet? |
| 19:31.32 | twobitsprite | petn-randall: yeah, I was looking at pigz... but yeah, it seems I mighht have to restart from the beginning |
| 19:32.14 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: thought about that too, might run a gunzip on another machine (the tarball is on an NFS mount)... if that finishes first I'll try that |
| 19:32.28 | damarusama | nkuttler: ok chown www-data my public www folder (called htdoc) resolve my issue with a local install of wordpress, but now I cannot change file in that folder with my normal user |
| 19:33.00 | damarusama | nkuttler: I added my user to the www-data group, and I was thiking to chmod 775 my htdoc public folder |
| 19:33.07 | petn-randall | damarusama: you might want to learn about ACLs, and how to set them with getfacl. |
| 19:33.11 | petn-randall | *setfacl |
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| 19:35.18 | niteye | i installed debian, then i installed windows, now grub is gone and pc goes straight to windows, what's the simplest way to get grub back (with debian and windows option), tricky part:disk is encrypted with luks |
| 19:36.07 | mumpitzel | !tell niteye about reinstall grub |
| 19:36.11 | ws2k3 | yes i did |
| 19:36.13 | mumpitzel | dunno about LUKS however |
| 19:36.16 | ws2k3 | but i was unable ti find what it means |
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| 19:37.07 | jdoles | Imagine if a LiveCD would come with a command like fixmygrub. |
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| 19:37.43 | jdoles | Then the support answer would be 'put in CD foo' and execute fixmygrub. |
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| 19:38.05 | jdoles | It is perhaps a 15 line script or so. |
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| 19:38.24 | peterrooney | niteye: now you know: Never install Windows last. Microsoft believes it owns and should own the bootloader. |
| 19:38.24 | mumpitzel | waits with held breath for jdoles to write a 15 line script |
| 19:38.28 | elkingrey | Can somebody explain to me what's going on here? http://pastebin.com/Wp4qxDRW |
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| 19:38.47 | niteye | i was thinking about that, but i was unsure that if i mount my disks in a live cd and then execute /mnt/init.d/grubwhatever if it would automatically take note of the path that everything should be written under /mnt and not the livecd fs itself |
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| 19:38.58 | pi8475 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.29 | niteye | oh yeah im stupid, /boot isnt encrypted |
| 19:39.36 | mumpitzel | elkingrey: dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree might show better the current state of the package |
| 19:40.15 | jdoles | niteye: the algorithm is simple: mount everything that can be mounted, figure out where /boot is, if there are multiple /boots, ask the user which one to choose, otherwise chroot and install. |
| 19:40.30 | pi8475 | supergrubdisk or a livecd should do the job then :) |
| 19:41.02 | jdoles | A real rescue CD which would automatically figure out what was wrong, would be useful too. |
| 19:41.15 | ws2k3 | drwxr-xr-x 4 gpxalaspace gpxalaspace 4.0K May 24 21:18 what does the 4 means after drwxr-xr-x |
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| 19:41.25 | jdoles | "Looks like your grub is broken... let me fix that.... done.. anything else sir?". |
| 19:41.48 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: I ended up running sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree. That seemed to do it. |
| 19:41.59 | jdoles | Anyway, that's how I see that computers should work (do everything automatically which can be safely done automatically). |
| 19:42.01 | atrapado | niteye, i think that the install CD in rescue mode will also do it. |
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| 19:42.06 | niteye | we can start with an emergency number, like 911, and IT comes blaring down with sirens, in this age of technological necessity this wouldn't be out of order |
| 19:42.13 | mumpitzel | elkingrey: so it was of state "rc" removed but config files still there |
| 19:42.42 | elkingrey | mumpitzel: What's "rc?" |
| 19:42.48 | jdoles | Release Candidate. |
| 19:42.54 | elkingrey | oh |
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| 19:43.41 | abrotman | jdoles: not in this context |
| 19:43.55 | jdoles | run-time configuration then |
| 19:43.59 | will_tampa | Debian is a offshoot of Ubuntu.... well in UB I was able to get the broadcom drivers (in the non-free/supportd area) why can't deb do that? |
| 19:44.01 | abrotman | elkingrey: if you "dpkg -l foo", you'll see a set of status items at the time |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | jdoles: no .. |
| 19:44.24 | jdoles | abrotman: ok, I am sorry for opening my ignorant mouth. |
| 19:44.32 | jdoles | abrotman: do you accept that apology? |
| 19:44.34 | abrotman | elkingrey: in this case, Removed+Config .. meaning you've removed the package, but config files remain on the system |
| 19:44.39 | jdoles | Now, if everyone else would also do that... |
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| 19:45.35 | will_tampa | abrotman: if the package is gone..who cares about the config files (assuming that someother package does not use them) |
| 19:45.46 | abrotman | will_tampa: there could be a number of reasons to care |
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| 19:46.24 | will_tampa | LOL in today's 5cents a gig drive space.. spave is NOT one of em |
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| 19:46.29 | will_tampa | space |
| 19:46.47 | abrotman | will_tampa: that wasn't one of the reasons I was referring to, but on an embedded system, that space could matter |
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| 19:47.43 | will_tampa | Ummm no program to load the config files.. so no memory problems.. |
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| 19:48.37 | abrotman | will_tampa: you could a) want to retain the files b) remove them so that you can get the originals (there are other methods as well) c) in this case, 'vrms' doesn't want it on your system d) some of the 'config' files could be larger |
| 19:49.08 | will_tampa | ahhhh |
| 19:49.42 | will_tampa | I am still Windows (just started switching to Ubuntu) |
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| 19:50.22 | will_tampa | & I run CCleaner about once a month (or so) & reclame 3-500 megs every time |
| 19:50.30 | abrotman | will_tampa: in the case of windows, it's like when you have an application that litters crap all over your ProgamFiles directory and doesn't clean them up after uninstall and/or ugh, registry bloat |
| 19:50.51 | abrotman | will_tampa: your CCleaner essential is "removing those config files" |
| 19:50.53 | will_tampa | Laugh...that I know |
| 19:50.57 | abrotman | essentially |
| 19:51.12 | abrotman | or effectively .. I suppose |
| 19:51.14 | jdoles | What is the origin of the word "smart host"? |
| 19:51.19 | will_tampa | Nods.. I was just wondering why the worry when nothing was using em |
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| 19:51.29 | ws2k3 | drwxr-xr-x 4 gpxalaspace gpxalaspace 4.0K May 24 21:18 what does the 4 means after drwxr-xr-x |
| 19:51.33 | jdoles | If you know, please fix the wikipedia article, which has no reference for it. |
| 19:51.43 | will_tampa | a Host that has Great AI ;) |
| 19:51.55 | abrotman | jdoles: in terms of email ? |
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| 19:52.00 | jdoles | abrotman: yes. |
| 19:52.06 | jdoles | abrotman: I know what it is already. |
| 19:52.10 | atrapado | ws2k3, the number of hard links of the file. |
| 19:54.21 | jdoles | The phrase smart host isn't in any RFC. |
| 19:54.35 | abrotman | it would probably be "smarthost" as one word, I'd guess anyway |
| 19:54.37 | jdoles | smarthost (a misspelling of the word) is. |
| 19:54.47 | jdoles | But there is only one occurrence. |
| 19:55.00 | jdoles | Even that talks about a smarthost network. |
| 19:55.06 | jdoles | Not a smarthost. |
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| 19:55.41 | master_j | hey guys, wondering what the status of update-notifier is. how do i get my updates in testing/sid? or is it up in the air atm |
| 19:55.57 | jdoles | master_j: isn't that an Ubuntu thing? |
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| 19:56.04 | abrotman | jdoles: it's in Debian too |
| 19:56.07 | no_gravity | Hello! wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs says "Many codecs are already available in the official Debian archive. These include codecs for MP3, H264, and AAC encoding and decoding.". But I cant find a way to enable mp3 encoding. Does anybody know how to do it? |
| 19:56.35 | master_j | update-manager was pulled from the repos but update-notifier is still in there, but the icon disappeared |
| 19:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: Do you have non-free enabled? |
| 19:56.55 | jdoles | no_gravity: avconf? |
| 19:57.06 | elkingrey | My computer has frozen up 4 times in the last two hours today. I've been running Debian since last weekend and haven't had any problems at all. It's been flawless. But today it's frozen 4 times where I had to do a hard restart. Can somebody help me diagnose this problem? |
| 19:57.12 | jdoles | no_gravity: avconv |
| 19:57.30 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: i think so |
| 19:57.38 | master_j | elkingrey: are you running a graphic desktop environment, which one? |
| 19:57.39 | no_gravity | jdoles: im trying with ffmpeg |
| 19:57.40 | jhutchins_wk | elkingrey: It could be anything, including hardware. Is it warmer today than it has been? |
| 19:57.44 | elkingrey | Gnome 3 |
| 19:57.56 | elkingrey | Same temp |
| 19:58.11 | master_j | are you running stable/wheezy? |
| 19:58.13 | abrotman | judd: versions libmp3lame0 |
| 19:58.14 | judd | Package: libmp3lame0 on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; jessie: 3.99.5+repack1-3; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3; jessie-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2 |
| 19:58.17 | elkingrey | stable wheezy |
| 19:58.19 | no_gravity | jdoles: "apt-cache search avconv" comes back empty |
| 19:58.20 | abrotman | no_gravity: ^^ |
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| 19:58.21 | master_j | huh. |
| 19:58.28 | jhutchins_wk | elkingrey: What are you running? Is there any particular action that seems to cause the freeze? Can you ping/ssh when the display is frozen? Is there anything in the logs? |
| 19:58.32 | no_gravity | abrotman: what does that mean? |
| 19:58.44 | abrotman | no_gravity: apt-cache show libmp3lame0 |
| 19:58.53 | elkingrey | I can't do anything other than move the cursor. |
| 19:59.01 | no_gravity | abrotman: not found |
| 19:59.04 | master_j | what video card driver are you using? |
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| 19:59.14 | abrotman | no_gravity: which version of Debian ? |
| 19:59.18 | no_gravity | abrotman: 6 |
| 19:59.27 | elkingrey | nvidea, but the driver is nouveau, standard wheezy free software |
| 19:59.40 | master_j | hmm hmm |
| 19:59.42 | abrotman | no_gravity: ah, it's in squeeze-backports |
| 20:00.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell no_gravity about squeeze-backports |
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| 20:00.32 | no_gravity | abrotman: so now i do what? |
| 20:00.53 | abrotman | no_gravity: either use squeeze-backports or upgrade to wheezy |
| 20:00.57 | elkingrey | The only thing I can think of is that last night I upgraded a bunch of packages before I shut down, and maybe one of them is disagreeable or something. |
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| 20:01.17 | no_gravity | abrotman: i have no idea what "use squeeze-backpors" means. or what wheezy is. |
| 20:01.47 | abrotman | no_gravity: see what the bot told you |
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| 20:02.05 | no_gravity | abrotman: some complicated stuff. i think its easier to transfer the file to my mint machine then. |
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| 20:02.38 | master_j | do you have any packages installed from nonfree or anything, elkingrey? |
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| 20:02.54 | abrotman | no_gravity: i have no idea what this has to do with Mint |
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| 20:03.01 | master_j | that's all i can think of. i'm not running gnome 3 so i don't know :( |
| 20:03.19 | elkingrey | master_j: The only one was flashplugin-nonfree. I've been wanting to get rid of it for a while, so I decided to today just because. I am now running 100% free software. |
| 20:03.39 | no_gravity | abrotman: im trying to convert an mp4 to an mp3. in mint i can just type "ffmpeg -i file.mp4 file.mp3" and it will do it. |
| 20:04.19 | abrotman | no_gravity: so install lame and ffmpeg on Debian |
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| 20:05.17 | no_gravity | abrotman: i would if i knew how |
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| 20:05.27 | jordanm | !tell no_gravity about dmm |
| 20:06.04 | no_gravity | abrotman: i do have ffmpeg on debian. but whatever encoder it try (mp3, libmp3lame...), it tells me the encoder is unknown. |
| 20:06.16 | pi8475 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.17 | abrotman | no_gravity: use squeeze-backports .. see what the bot told you |
| 20:06.38 | Trewas | no_gravity: mp4 is an mpeg4 video (or should be), mp3 is just audio... quite lossy conversion |
| 20:06.39 | no_gravity | abrotman: i read it, but i didnt understand it. |
| 20:06.51 | abrotman | no_gravity: so tell us that .. don't just start throwing Mint around |
| 20:06.52 | no_gravity | Trewas: mp4 wont play on my mp3-player. |
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| 20:07.08 | Trewas | not a huge surprise... |
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| 20:08.06 | no_gravity | abrotman: so debian 7 has an mp3 encoder in the repos? |
| 20:08.19 | abrotman | yes, but squeeze has them easily available |
| 20:08.33 | no_gravity | abrotman: what is squeeze? |
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| 20:08.58 | abrotman | no_gravity: squeeze is Debian 6.0.x |
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| 20:09.32 | no_gravity | abrotman: ok. i will probably try debian 7 one of these days. good to know there is progress regarding this issue. |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | blame patents |
| 20:10.33 | no_gravity | abrotman: yeah, im not complaining. |
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| 20:14.29 | JordiGH | Huh, I'm having trouble with the wheezy installer and setting up encrypted LVM. |
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| 20:15.11 | nkuttler | JordiGH: how so? |
| 20:15.21 | johnfg | on wheezy, where is php.ini? Is there a general one other than what's in apache2 or cli? |
| 20:15.25 | JordiGH | I just reinstalled... I wiped my hard drive. The installer seemed to have created an initrd missing dm-raid45 (not sure if this module is relevant, but it's complained about), and now linux can't find the encryptd root partition. |
| 20:15.29 | SmashingX | umask 0111 doesn't do anything right guys? |
| 20:15.49 | no_gravity | johnfg: how about "find / -name php.ini"? |
| 20:15.49 | nkuttler | johnfg: /etc/php5/*/ |
| 20:16.01 | nkuttler | no_gravity: :| |
| 20:16.05 | SmashingX | because I can't set the default permissions to be rwxrwxrwx |
| 20:16.16 | johnfg | I did that, but only came up with the 2 mentioned. |
| 20:16.20 | SmashingX | even if I try umask 0111 |
| 20:16.53 | no_gravity | johnfg: my next try would be to echo phpinfo(); in a php script. it might have a section with infos about the php.ini |
| 20:17.11 | johnfg | k,thanks |
| 20:17.17 | JordiGH | This is bizarre. How can a clean wheezy install have messed up setting up an encrypted LVM partition? |
| 20:17.29 | jdoles | I configured postfix with a smart host. I am sending e-mails like mail -s abc test@email.com Test <control-d> RET and then echo $? returns 0. postfix returns nothing in mail.log, but it is running. In short: I have no idea what is wrong. What do you think is wrong? |
| 20:17.30 | nkuttler | JordiGH: worked for me a week before the release |
| 20:17.31 | jdoles | abrotman: it means |
| 20:17.33 | jdoles | no_gravity: that is the |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | what who ? |
| 20:17.41 | abrotman | oh |
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| 20:18.55 | adesso | hey |
| 20:18.58 | abrotman | jdoles: can you pastebin your postconf -n or whatever that command is ? |
| 20:19.00 | SmashingX | is there any command that would replace every ocurrence of a string in a text file? |
| 20:19.08 | adesso | can anyone help me solve this problem in 64bit debian 7? |
| 20:19.15 | val_erie | Is there something like LESS to compile CSS in debian? |
| 20:19.19 | nkuttler | SmashingX: sed? or any decent editor |
| 20:19.23 | SmashingX | I mean in the terminal |
| 20:19.29 | adesso | # apt-get update && apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 20:19.29 | adesso | Get:1 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release.gpg [836 B] |
| 20:19.29 | adesso | Get:2 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release [102 kB] |
| 20:19.29 | adesso | Get:3 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages [36.4 kB] |
| 20:19.29 | adesso | Get:4 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib amd64 Packages [14 B] |
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| 20:19.32 | nkuttler | SmashingX: sed, or any decent editor |
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| 20:19.42 | SmashingX | I mean without editor |
| 20:19.43 | adesso | sorry |
| 20:19.52 | adesso | apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 20:19.54 | nkuttler | SmashingX: sed (read the first word) |
| 20:20.02 | SmashingX | I did |
| 20:20.09 | adesso | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 20:20.14 | adesso | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 20:20.14 | adesso | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 20:20.14 | adesso | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 20:20.14 | adesso | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
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| 20:20.14 | SmashingX | I was just confirming that without using an editor |
| 20:20.14 | nkuttler | SmashingX: so what's wrong with sed? |
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| 20:20.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell adesso about multiarch |
| 20:20.29 | SmashingX | nothing, I didn't even know about that command |
| 20:20.37 | abrotman | adesso: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 20:20.37 | SmashingX | thanks nkuttler I will try that out |
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| 20:20.54 | adesso | abrotman: I need to install 32bit software on a 64bit install |
| 20:21.08 | adesso | it needs that package by the install instructions |
| 20:21.20 | adesso | the package won't install |
| 20:21.40 | adesso | I did it in a test VM and it didn't make me install some other --add-architecture thing |
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| 20:22.33 | abrotman | adesso: yes, which package? |
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| 20:23.29 | jdoles | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a7139623/ |
| 20:23.36 | jdoles | abrotman: postconf -n output |
| 20:23.43 | abrotman | that's not so hidden :) |
| 20:24.16 | jdoles | abrotman: depending on your point of view, nothing is hidden on the Internet for some parties. |
| 20:24.59 | abrotman | jdoles: http://www.dnsexit.com/support/mailrelay/postfix.html .. more like that ? |
| 20:25.11 | abrotman | jdoles: i've never had to do a smarthost with auth, sorry |
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| 20:27.37 | JordiGH | Hm, I'm looking at the "check correct fs recognition" part here: http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 20:27.56 | JordiGH | The blkid thing says TYPE="crypto_LUKS" |
| 20:28.03 | JordiGH | fstype says FSTYPE=luks |
| 20:28.07 | JordiGH | FSSIZE=0 |
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| 20:29.28 | adesso | abrotman: ia32-libs |
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| 20:29.30 | jdoles | abrotman: I have seen this exact setup working before (also on this machine), and the main problem is that I don't understand why it doesn't give some kind of error message. |
| 20:29.35 | adesso | my software doesn't see that python exists |
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| 20:30.00 | abrotman | adesso: no, what are you trying to install that requires ia32-libs |
| 20:30.10 | adesso | sophos anti virus |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 20:30.16 | abrotman | !tell adesso about clamav |
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| 20:30.19 | adesso | not my call |
| 20:30.22 | adesso | company mandate |
| 20:30.34 | adesso | they picked the vendor, I'm forced to go with it |
| 20:30.36 | abrotman | adesso: so use multilib .. installl the software it needs |
| 20:30.43 | adesso | I told them clamav, they bought sophos |
| 20:30.53 | abrotman | okay, so use multiarch |
| 20:31.03 | adesso | but will that pollute my entire install? |
| 20:31.23 | abrotman | nope |
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| 20:32.32 | adesso | oh jesus |
| 20:32.46 | adesso | abrotman: there's a crapload of packages it wants to install for that ONE package |
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| 20:33.09 | adesso | 154 packages |
| 20:33.16 | abrotman | which takes how much space? |
| 20:33.35 | adesso | I don't take that as the only factor |
| 20:33.59 | adesso | more packages lessens performance too when you make the DB bigger with more cache to dig through and make calculations on |
| 20:34.08 | adesso | 182MB |
| 20:34.19 | adesso | that's a lot |
| 20:34.28 | abrotman | adesso: that's not true .. but whatever you want to do .... i'm telling you how to solve your problem |
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| 20:34.49 | adesso | :( I guess I have to because company says so |
| 20:34.54 | adesso | so lame |
| 20:34.54 | jdoles | abrotman: that is true. |
| 20:35.07 | abrotman | jdoles: no, it's not |
| 20:35.15 | abrotman | not for what he's talking about |
| 20:35.34 | jdoles | abrotman: isn't he talking about dpkg's database? |
| 20:35.40 | adesso | yeah |
| 20:35.55 | adesso | I remove everything I don't need on all installs |
| 20:36.10 | jdoles | abrotman: I am 100% sure that installing more packages makes it slower, in fact, this is trivially the case. |
| 20:36.18 | adesso | and I rebuild my kernels and make them into debs and install them |
| 20:36.19 | jdoles | abrotman: because more files, makes your file system slower. |
| 20:36.41 | abrotman | adesso: okay, you've got your answer, good luck |
| 20:36.49 | adesso | jdoles: it's not that as much as checking dependencies |
| 20:36.50 | SmashingX | nkuttler: how do you use sed, because I did this: sed 's/kernel/shadow/' foo.txt > foo2.txt |
| 20:37.01 | SmashingX | nkuttler: and it only changes the first occurrence |
| 20:37.02 | adesso | SmashingX: sed -i |
| 20:37.06 | SmashingX | oh ok |
| 20:37.07 | adesso | SmashingX: also |
| 20:37.09 | adesso | o |
| 20:37.09 | jdoles | adesso: yes, I know, and I agree. |
| 20:37.10 | adesso | no |
| 20:37.11 | adesso | wait |
| 20:37.23 | SmashingX | ok |
| 20:37.31 | adesso | SmashingX: I did this: sed -i 's/kernel/shadow/g' foo.txt |
| 20:37.40 | adesso | -i means in place edit |
| 20:37.43 | adesso | edit that file |
| 20:37.51 | SmashingX | ok let me try it |
| 20:37.53 | SmashingX | thanks :) |
| 20:38.02 | adesso | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.30 | SmashingX | mhh |
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| 20:38.40 | SmashingX | where do you put the /g? |
| 20:38.51 | adesso | at the end of the regex replacement |
| 20:38.59 | adesso | s substitute |
| 20:39.13 | adesso | s/subtitutethis/forthis/g |
| 20:39.28 | SmashingX | mhhh |
| 20:39.31 | SmashingX | nothing |
| 20:39.38 | SmashingX | it gives me nothing as output |
| 20:39.40 | adesso | then you're not matching correctly |
| 20:39.47 | adesso | it doesn't |
| 20:39.48 | abrotman | SmashingX: can you show us the original file? |
| 20:39.49 | SmashingX | oh now |
| 20:39.50 | adesso | it's not supposed to |
| 20:39.55 | SmashingX | I got rid of -i |
| 20:39.57 | adesso | it edits the file instead of STDOUT |
| 20:40.00 | SmashingX | it did it |
| 20:40.08 | SmashingX | oh really? |
| 20:40.11 | SmashingX | oh sorry then |
| 20:40.17 | adesso | without -i it cats it to STDOUT and edits that |
| 20:40.20 | peterrooney | is astonished at the basic factual errors floating around in people's heads |
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| 20:40.23 | SmashingX | I wanted it to put the changes in another file |
| 20:40.34 | SmashingX | ok I got it now |
| 20:40.38 | adesso | then you don't want -i |
| 20:40.39 | SmashingX | thanks ! |
| 20:40.58 | abrotman | peterrooney: srsly ... |
| 20:40.59 | adesso | I usually want to edit the files I work on rather than make new ones |
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| 20:41.59 | adesso | abrotman: if I install debian gnu/kfreebsd, can I use ipfw? |
| 20:42.19 | niteye | im still not out of the woods yet, i went in rescue mode and mounted my drives, but when i do grub-install i get "grub-probe error: cannot find a grub drive for /dev/mapper/sda4_crypt. check your device map. auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/sda4_crypt failed". i dont know how to fix that |
| 20:42.43 | adesso | niteye: do you have the keys? |
| 20:43.01 | abrotman | adesso: i would think so |
| 20:43.36 | niteye | yes, the rescue thinhg asked me for them in the beginning and started the root shell on /dev/mapper/sda4_crypt (its the root partition i chose in rescue mode, its mounted as root) |
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| 20:43.41 | zerick | What could be a "bad pagetable" error ? |
| 20:44.02 | Ch4rAss | Hi, I would like to run debian wheezy as testing release, but I would like to than auto update to jessie when it is released. What should I add to sources.list? deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie main ? and what about security wheezy/updates should I also change it to jessie? |
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| 20:44.25 | bwat47 | ChrisH, if you point your sources to "jessie" it will do this automagically |
| 20:44.42 | bwat47 | Ch4rAss, you will be running testing and when jessie is released you will stay on it |
| 20:44.55 | abrotman | Ch4rAss: you almost certainly don't want to do what bwat47 is saying |
| 20:45.11 | bwat47 | abrotman, why? |
| 20:45.32 | abrotman | i don't think Ch4rAss understands what he's asking for |
| 20:45.37 | abrotman | for starters, wheezy is already stable |
| 20:45.52 | bwat47 | abrotman, well I gave him exactly what he asked |
| 20:45.58 | adesso | bwat47: you don't go stable->testing->stable |
| 20:46.00 | abrotman | no, you didn't |
| 20:46.03 | adesso | it's one way |
| 20:46.28 | bwat47 | I fail to see how that is true |
| 20:46.47 | adesso | bwat47: if you change your sources from wheezy to stable then when jessie comes stable you will be on jessie |
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| 20:46.51 | abrotman | Ch4rAss: let's try again, what are you trying to do ? |
| 20:46.55 | abrotman | adesso: which is a horrible idea |
| 20:47.02 | adesso | if you change from wheezy to jessie then you are on testing |
| 20:47.07 | adesso | and will always be testing |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | no |
| 20:47.19 | abrotman | that's not even remotely true |
| 20:47.26 | bwat47 | if you set it to jessie once jessie goes stable it will no longer be testing.... |
| 20:47.34 | Ch4rAss | I would like to stay on testing also after jessie is released |
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| 20:47.35 | bwat47 | that only happens if you point it to "testing" |
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| 20:47.57 | abrotman | Ch4rAss: then change all your sources to 'testing', and then enjoy it when it breaks, good luck |
| 20:48.22 | adesso | testing rarely breaks, when it does it isn't usually major, but when it breaks, it takes a long time to get fixed |
| 20:48.27 | bwat47 | for example when wheezy was frozen you could point your sources to say "wheezy" and when wheezy went stable, you are now on wheezy, because your sources are pointed to "wheezy" and not "testing" |
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| 20:48.34 | bwat47 | I am not wrong so please stop impying so :p |
| 20:48.50 | adesso | sid has little things break all the time, not usually major, sometimes though, but sid can be fixed same day, usually within 1-3 days |
| 20:48.53 | abrotman | bwat47: you are wrong because he asked to use wheezy/testing, which isn't possible |
| 20:48.59 | abrotman | adesso: you're wrong again .. |
| 20:49.03 | adesso | testing can take 1+ months to get straight again |
| 20:49.20 | adesso | abrotman: you can use wheezy and testing with apt-pinning |
| 20:49.39 | Ch4rAss | does jessie contain also kernel update? |
| 20:49.39 | bwat47 | abrotman, I think he just phrased it poorly, what he was asking clearly seemed to be that he wants to run jessie and stay on jessie when it goes stable |
| 20:49.41 | abrotman | adesso: which is another way to surely break your system |
| 20:49.46 | jordanm | adesso, good luck with that |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | bwat47: which he said isn't what he wanted five minutes later |
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| 20:50.21 | adesso | I've apt-pinned sid to things a lot |
| 20:50.23 | SmashingX | any command that could tell me all the differences in two files |
| 20:50.24 | bwat47 | aboman, ah I missed his second comment in the noise |
| 20:50.28 | SmashingX | I already tried sdiff and diff |
| 20:50.29 | adesso | I run stable at work and sid at home |
| 20:50.34 | abrotman | SmashingX: diff/cmp |
| 20:50.34 | SmashingX | but it doesn't tel lme much |
| 20:50.35 | bwat47 | abrotman, so yeah in that case he'd want to point to testing, yeah |
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| 20:50.47 | abrotman | bwat47: but if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't ... |
| 20:50.58 | SmashingX | sdiff stops until it finds the first difference |
| 20:51.09 | SmashingX | but what happens with the rest of the text? |
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| 20:51.16 | adesso | bwat47: just be aware that if it breaks, it could take 1+ months to be fixed |
| 20:51.19 | abrotman | SmashingX: diff -y file1 file2 might help you |
| 20:51.38 | SmashingX | ok thanks |
| 20:51.40 | SmashingX | let me try |
| 20:51.50 | adesso | bwat47: testing was broken for 3 months last year with evolution calling on mapi libraries |
| 20:51.59 | adesso | wherein it would crash x11 |
| 20:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | SmashingX, for just looking at differences, vimdiff is nice |
| 20:52.18 | adesso | bwat47: certain packages may or may not have issues like that |
| 20:52.25 | bwat47 | Ch4rAss, afiak jessie is still on 3.2, but it will be updated eventually. and if all u want it an updated kernel then you don't need to run testing for that, you can manually compile one, or install sid's kernel, or wait for it to appear in wheezy backports |
| 20:52.40 | SmashingX | abrotman: it showed me just the first part |
| 20:52.41 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 20:52.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 20:52.42 | adesso | bwat47: I used testing at my last company on some systems and evolution has been broken off and an there |
| 20:52.46 | abrotman | SmashingX: first part of what ? |
| 20:52.56 | bwat47 | adesso, yeah I run stable anyway :) |
| 20:52.58 | adesso | jessie is 3.2 sid is 3.8 |
| 20:53.08 | SmashingX | abrotman: it stops until it finds the first difference |
| 20:53.30 | JordiGH | During the wheezy install, it says that installing grub fails... If I click "continue" a couple of times" it seems to work again. |
| 20:53.31 | bwat47 | adesso, with sids kernel atm though cause wheezy's 3.2 is awful with intel graphics, random lockups |
| 20:53.31 | abrotman | SmashingX: diff -t file1 file2 ? not on my system |
| 20:53.32 | SmashingX | abrotman: it did exactly what sdiff did |
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| 20:54.15 | SmashingX | abrotman: let me show you my output |
| 20:54.31 | JordiGH | But... why is grub failing in the first place? |
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| 20:54.43 | JordiGH | And why is the installer creating an initrd that won't decrypt my hard drive? |
| 20:55.03 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 20:55.15 | SmashingX | abrotman: the differences are Victor - kernel and look the output: http://pastebin.com/QsYgSWfa |
| 20:55.43 | abrotman | SmashingX: sorry, -y |
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| 20:55.50 | SmashingX | same thing |
| 20:55.53 | SmashingX | let me show you |
| 20:55.55 | abrotman | no way ... |
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| 20:56.43 | SmashingX | abrotman: look http://pastebin.com/1LefVyk9 |
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| 20:57.08 | abrotman | so the lines are the same? |
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| 20:57.32 | SmashingX | yes |
| 20:57.34 | Ch4rAss | bwat47 abrotman : thanks for the info! |
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| 20:57.38 | SmashingX | and then the next word is different |
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| 20:58.06 | JordiGH | wtf? grub-install can't figure out that /dev/mapper/Iris-root is an ext4 fs? But I can mount it! |
| 20:58.11 | SmashingX | no im sorry |
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| 20:58.21 | SmashingX | abrotman: it showing just 1 difference |
| 20:58.28 | JordiGH | grub-installer: Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/Iris-root failed. |
| 20:58.30 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 20:58.40 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 20:58.49 | SmashingX | abrotman: what>? |
| 20:58.53 | jdoles | Why isn't anything written to the syslog for over a month? |
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| 20:58.59 | SmashingX | kernel - Victor |
| 20:59.00 | abrotman | jdoles: log full ? |
| 20:59.12 | jdoles | abrotman: / has space left. |
| 20:59.21 | abrotman | SmashingX: create a file with one word, copy it, change that word, use the diff |
| 20:59.24 | abrotman | SmashingX: moment |
| 20:59.24 | jdoles | abrotman: or is there another notion of "full"? |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | jdoles: inodes possibly .. |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | jdoles: also, is syslog running ? |
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| 20:59.54 | jdoles | abrotman: probably not. |
| 20:59.56 | SmashingX | with one word? |
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| 21:00.12 | SmashingX | but how's that going to help to get all differences in these 2 files? |
| 21:00.54 | abrotman | SmashingX: http://paste.debian.net/6406/ |
| 21:00.56 | jdoles | abrotman: what's the name of that 'enhanced' syslog? Something with an r. |
| 21:01.01 | abrotman | rsyslog |
| 21:01.04 | abrotman | or syslog-ng |
| 21:01.14 | jdoles | abrotman: yeah, rsyslog. How do I start it? |
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| 21:01.27 | abrotman | jdoles: init script, /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart |
| 21:01.33 | r0tha | jdoles: it should be running |
| 21:01.40 | r0tha | pstree -p | grep syslog |
| 21:01.51 | SmashingX | abrotman: so, it works only with single words? |
| 21:02.01 | abrotman | SmashingX: no |
| 21:02.03 | jdoles | It is not running. |
| 21:02.28 | r0tha | ah that's no good, it takes care of a bunch of stuff in /var/log/ |
| 21:02.47 | SmashingX | abrotman: so what is wrong? |
| 21:03.25 | abrotman | SmashingX: what are the two files again ? |
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| 21:03.35 | SmashingX | names or content? |
| 21:03.37 | frankchimes | e1 |
| 21:03.45 | frankchimes | anyone? |
| 21:03.48 | abrotman | the content .. cmp can show difference by bytes if that's what you want |
| 21:03.53 | abrotman | frankchimes: english please |
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| 21:04.13 | frankchimes | system architecture |
| 21:04.19 | frankchimes | anyone familiar |
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| 21:04.25 | abrotman | frankchimes: ask a real question |
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| 21:04.32 | SmashingX | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/6408/ |
| 21:04.34 | frankchimes | I am abrotman |
| 21:04.38 | abrotman | no, you're not |
| 21:04.43 | frankchimes | anyone familiar with e1 systems architecture? |
| 21:04.48 | JordiGH | Did I grab a bad wheezy image or something? :-/ |
| 21:04.53 | abrotman | frankchimes: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 21:05.02 | frankchimes | related to all platforms |
| 21:05.03 | JordiGH | "chroot: can't execute execute 'grub-probe': No such file or directroy" |
| 21:05.11 | abrotman | frankchimes: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 21:05.21 | abrotman | SmashingX: it's showing you that the lines are different |
| 21:05.26 | frankchimes | affects Debian |
| 21:05.28 | frankchimes | that is how |
| 21:05.35 | abrotman | frankchimes: yes, how ? |
| 21:05.43 | frankchimes | layer 1 |
| 21:05.48 | SmashingX | abrotman: the lines? but where exactly are the differences |
| 21:05.51 | SmashingX | I mean by word |
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| 21:05.59 | abrotman | frankchimes: last chance, how does this apply to Debian? |
| 21:06.00 | frankchimes | physical hardware layer |
| 21:06.07 | frankchimes | last chance? |
| 21:06.08 | abrotman | SmashingX: you probably want to use cmp -b ? |
| 21:06.14 | frankchimes | it does apply t debian actualy |
| 21:06.16 | SmashingX | ok let me try |
| 21:06.19 | abrotman | frankchimes: yes, how ? |
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| 21:06.34 | frankchimes | at the physical layer, the hardware layer |
| 21:06.37 | abrotman | ... |
| 21:06.44 | frankchimes | I rest my case |
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| 21:06.58 | abrotman | frankchimes: this channel is for Debian support, have a nice day |
| 21:07.11 | abrotman | frankchimes: if you want help with Debian, please ask a question that relates to Debian |
| 21:07.20 | SmashingX | foo.txt foo2.txt differ: byte 24, line 1 is 153 k 126 V |
| 21:07.27 | SmashingX | differences by bytes? |
| 21:07.32 | SmashingX | and line 1 |
| 21:07.40 | SmashingX | mmmhh |
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| 21:08.07 | bitg | is there a security risk of running debian 5 on a production server? |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | SmashingX: AFAIK, diff will only work per line |
| 21:08.16 | bitg | rather than 6? |
| 21:08.27 | SmashingX | ok, is there any other command that works by word? |
| 21:08.34 | abrotman | bitg: yes, very much so |
| 21:08.49 | SmashingX | what? no way!! |
| 21:08.56 | SmashingX | debian 5 is not that bad! |
| 21:09.07 | abrotman | SmashingX: it hasn't had security support in over a year |
| 21:09.19 | abrotman | SmashingX: wdiff |
| 21:09.21 | SmashingX | wow |
| 21:09.33 | SmashingX | that means that we need to update pretty often! |
| 21:09.39 | SmashingX | that's no good |
| 21:09.43 | abrotman | SmashingX: Debian 5 is lenny .. it's pretty old ? |
| 21:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | SmashingX, every 2-3 years? |
| 21:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | is "often"? |
| 21:10.00 | SmashingX | it is |
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| 21:10.04 | SmashingX | for production |
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| 21:10.20 | SmashingX | I have Centos 5.5 installed on my servers |
| 21:10.32 | SmashingX | and I haven't updated for like 5 years |
| 21:10.39 | SmashingX | they keep working fine |
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| 21:10.42 | abrotman | no security updates? |
| 21:10.50 | SmashingX | and if I have to update them that would be a big mess |
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| 21:10.56 | SmashingX | because there are a lot of them |
| 21:11.04 | SmashingX | and network issues and $hit |
| 21:11.08 | uberdub | Hydroxide: You around? |
| 21:11.12 | abrotman | anyway .. wdiff |
| 21:11.15 | SmashingX | ok |
| 21:11.18 | SmashingX | thank abrotman |
| 21:11.34 | SmashingX | oh I guess I have to install it :( |
| 21:11.51 | SmashingX | I would hope that I would use a command that is already in the system |
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| 21:11.53 | abrotman | uberdub: not likely, it's a holiday weekend and a friday evening |
| 21:12.02 | uberdub | uh ok |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | SmashingX: i'd hope to have one million dollars |
| 21:12.23 | SmashingX | abrotman: ? |
| 21:12.36 | uberdub | I have no idea what his schedule is. He was helping me yesterday |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | uberdub: okay, you can try to ask here again .. |
| 21:12.54 | abrotman | SmashingX: good luck |
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| 21:12.59 | SmashingX | abrotman: you know there are programs included by default with your installation of debian right? |
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| 21:13.05 | abrotman | no |
| 21:13.07 | SmashingX | oh ok |
| 21:13.09 | abrotman | the cake is a lie |
| 21:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a triumph |
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| 21:14.10 | SmashingX | don't take me bad but I thought that the programs that came with the installation of debian would do the basic tasks |
| 21:14.17 | SmashingX | just like the one I want to accomplish |
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| 21:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't seem so basic if diff cannot do it |
| 21:17.53 | SmashingX | ????? so everything that the programs that came with the installation that can't be done is not basic? |
| 21:17.56 | darthanubis | synaptic does not properly edit sources.list anymore. Is there a way to correct this to restore default behavior? |
| 21:18.19 | nkuttler | what can't diff do? |
| 21:18.32 | SmashingX | give you differences word by word |
| 21:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds to me like you're just making stuff up that nobody ever needs and then call it "basic" |
| 21:18.46 | niteye | i think this may be a bug? if you have an encrypted LUKS root partition, then "reinstall grub" in rescue mode doesn't work, rescue mode does recognise and mount the LUKS partition though, and was also installed with it |
| 21:18.53 | SmashingX | don't you think is basic nkuttler? |
| 21:19.10 | nkuttler | SmashingX: it's not what diff was designed to do... |
| 21:19.51 | SmashingX | if I were programmed diff I would add a flag to give you the differences word by word |
| 21:19.52 | nkuttler | SmashingX: also.. differences word by word is a pretty vague description |
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| 21:20.07 | nkuttler | SmashingX: i'm glad you didn't write diff then |
| 21:20.22 | SmashingX | pretty vague? mhhh |
| 21:20.27 | nkuttler | SmashingX: most unix tools were intentionally designed to do *one* thing, and do it well |
| 21:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually wdiff is only a frontend to diff :P |
| 21:20.36 | SmashingX | why do you think add a flag to diff would have been a bad idea? |
| 21:20.46 | nkuttler | SmashingX: and the first line of man diff "Compare FILES line by line." |
| 21:21.19 | SmashingX | wouldn't be better that diff would have been designed for COMPARE FILES |
| 21:21.30 | SmashingX | and then add a flag to compare line by line |
| 21:21.45 | SmashingX | and another flag to compare them word by word |
| 21:21.48 | nkuttler | feels like running in circles |
| 21:21.48 | SmashingX | ? |
| 21:21.55 | SmashingX | ok nevermind then |
| 21:22.05 | SmashingX | that how I would have done it |
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| 21:22.16 | SmashingX | IMO |
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| 21:23.29 | SmashingX | CutMeOwnThroat: so if wdiff is a frontend to diff then I could do the task with diff right? |
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| 21:25.04 | uberdub | abrotman: Im having resgrssion issue in wheezy |
| 21:25.13 | uberdub | suspend freezes my system |
| 21:25.14 | SmashingX | also the description of sdiff says this: sdiff - side-by-side merge of file differences |
| 21:25.26 | SmashingX | so why it doesn't show ALL differences? |
| 21:25.48 | uberdub | Going upstream to 3.8.2 to see if that fixes it |
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| 21:26.08 | uberdub | Had a few questions about the process |
| 21:26.58 | SmashingX | anyway, thanks for your help guys :) |
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| 21:45.54 | poko | does anyone know if it is possible to create a bootable windows 7 usb in debian ? |
| 21:46.46 | funnybunny | it is. |
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| 21:47.23 | poko | how would i go about doing that |
| 21:47.35 | funnybunny | check out "unetbootin" |
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| 21:50.26 | anigma | I was doing a minimalistic gnome install (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=62112) and was wondering if gdm is supposed to automatically appear after the reboot? |
| 21:51.05 | funnybunny | it was supposed ti |
| 21:51.19 | funnybunny | but gdm depends on a working xorg config |
| 21:51.27 | funnybunny | i.e. graphics driver |
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| 21:52.52 | anigma | uh, I haven't really done any xorg configuration though... |
| 21:53.09 | ovidiu-florin | Hello world :D |
| 21:53.30 | ovidiu-florin | Congratulations to all Debian developers for the new release :D |
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| 21:54.38 | anigma | how do I troubleshoot a failing gdm? |
| 21:55.20 | ovidiu-florin | I'm just installing it now, and I was wondering, what is included in "Standard System Utilities"? |
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| 21:57.32 | zeeflo | i need to monitor our debian servers |
| 21:57.35 | zeeflo | any suggestions? |
| 21:58.52 | ovidiu-florin | zeeflo: what do you want to monitor? |
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| 21:59.11 | zeeflo | i need to monitor hw (disks, cpu load etc) and network |
| 22:00.16 | ovidiu-florin | I like htop for CPU/RAM/processes |
| 22:00.45 | zeeflo | nono. I need to be able to monitor our servers externally |
| 22:00.53 | zeeflo | preferably realtime as well |
| 22:01.13 | zeeflo | anyone got a suggestion? |
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| 22:01.22 | ovidiu-florin | in that case I'm also curious |
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| 22:01.49 | ovidiu-florin | zeeflo: something like a web interface? |
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| 22:02.15 | zeeflo | it doesnt matter too much how I can access a monitor interface |
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| 22:02.24 | mooglenorph | Hi, do I need xorg installed on my server for X11 forwarding to work? |
| 22:02.58 | zeeflo | mooglenorph: yes you do |
| 22:03.15 | zeeflo | you cant connect to a remote desktop if there is no desktop on the remote |
| 22:03.32 | mooglenorph | zeeflo: I thought so, thanks. |
| 22:03.38 | zeeflo | yw |
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| 22:05.47 | ^Mike | What are my choices for desktop environments with Debian? Do/will you use systemd? |
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| 22:06.17 | tharkun | How can I tell if this box has a usb2 port? |
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| 22:06.33 | zeeflo | kde, gde, gnome.. cinnamon.. |
| 22:06.38 | zeeflo | theres tons |
| 22:07.13 | tharkun | ^Mike: there are also the tab wm which are a different ton :) |
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| 22:07.36 | zeeflo | I personally use cinnamon on my work pc |
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| 22:08.14 | ^Mike | Is there any chance ubuntu PPAs will work on debian? |
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| 22:08.24 | zeeflo | yes |
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| 22:08.47 | ^Mike | Or does Debian have it's own infrastructure for that kind of thing? |
| 22:09.02 | tharkun | ^Mike: it is usually a better Idea to do a ssb rather than mixing distros |
| 22:09.08 | tharkun | !ssb |
| 22:09.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:09.39 | mucha | hi. sorry for noob question, but why output of ps is other than top? whats the difference between them |
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| 22:10.41 | zeeflo | mucha: ps alone shows you runnings ID's |
| 22:10.43 | ^Mike | tharkun: huh! nice :) |
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| 22:11.01 | ^Mike | Any word on using systemd in debian? |
| 22:11.02 | zeeflo | top also shows you the hardware consumption of these pid's |
| 22:11.13 | f10 | ^Mike: you could also use pinning to install packages from testing/unstable/experimental |
| 22:11.15 | ^Mike | htop > * |
| 22:11.27 | tharkun | ^Mike: Don't expect it on the near future |
| 22:12.18 | f10 | ^Mike: and I also user ubuntu ppas with apt-add-repository from package python-software-properties |
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| 22:14.57 | dorp | Hello, I need firmware-iwwifi_0.36 for my wireless card, but it seems it's only available for wheezy- while squeeze's latest is 0.28 ... I suppose it means I can't use wheezy's package under squeeze? |
| 22:15.37 | tharkun | dorp: as long as it is firmware you shouldn't have any problems. YMMV |
| 22:16.03 | f10 | ^Mike: I use systemd here.. it works fine for me. Check http://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Known_Issues_and_Workarounds |
| 22:16.04 | zeeflo | i didnt have a problem using it |
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| 22:20.45 | petn-randall | ^Mike: I generally wouldn't pull stuff from Ubuntu PPAs. The problem is that the dependencies don't match. Some packages in Ubuntu have more/less content than their Debian counterparts, even if the carry similar version numbers. |
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| 22:21.07 | dorp | zeeflo: You didn't have a problem using firmware-iwlwifi_0.36 under squeeze? |
| 22:21.18 | petn-randall | ^Mike: The problem you'll have then is that a dependency for Ubuntu won't necessarily work in Debian. |
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| 22:21.44 | naquad | hi |
| 22:21.47 | wallbrik | Image Share -> http://picshare.web.vu |
| 22:21.51 | zeeflo | dorp: no |
| 22:22.08 | petn-randall | dorp: Upgrade to wheezy. There's no good reason to stay on squeeze anymore. |
| 22:22.16 | naquad | is there some package with bunch of pretty PS1? tired to goolge |
| 22:22.29 | naquad | *google |
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| 22:22.38 | dorp | petn-randall: Easy said than done... |
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| 22:23.31 | petn-randall | naquad: none that I know of. I bet there's a website that'll cover all your needs. |
| 22:23.40 | naquad | well, i'm googling for it |
| 22:23.49 | naquad | http://www.kirsle.net/wizards/ps1.html - found that, but not much help |
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| 22:24.09 | petn-randall | dorp: Do you mean "Easy said, then done" ? ;) |
| 22:24.59 | dorp | petn-randall: I'm sorry- I'm not a native speaker |
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| 22:37.00 | boudiccas | whats a good simple plin text editor with tabbs please? |
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| 22:37.40 | Vicissitude | boudiccas, gEdit fits that bill |
| 22:37.48 | ikus060 | Hello, I want to use the new "testing". Is their a documentation to migrate from "wheezy" to "testing" ? Is it only a matter of updating my /etc/apt/source... ? |
| 22:37.52 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 22:39.22 | petn-randall | ikus060: It is, but I don't recommend it right now as a lot of migrations/transitions are going on in testing. You'd be in for a bumpy ride. |
| 22:40.28 | ikus060 | petn-randall: I see, when do you recommend me to switch to "testing" ? |
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| 22:40.39 | ikus060 | in a month ? |
| 22:41.12 | avox | wazzup? |
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| 22:48.05 | dimitry7 | hey guys, has anyone of you worked with xen 4 + debian 6 ? |
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| 22:50.26 | benji_ | Hello, I am looking for some tool to draw some custom stats over time. Something very simple. I would give it a shell script that would return a numerical value for example and it would gather the values every x minutes/hours/days and draw the trends |
| 22:51.30 | caf | benji_: sound like you want mrtg |
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| 22:55.17 | caf | or maybe not, i had thought that it supported non-snmp methods of grabbing data but it seems not |
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| 22:57.10 | benji_ | yeah it doens't seem like it |
| 22:57.27 | benji_ | I guess I'll have to dive into cacti-zabbix-munin-nagios |
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| 22:58.37 | n2diy | I just sorted some data in a gnumeric file, which I had color coded with backround colors, the backround colors didn't follow the sorting? |
| 22:58.55 | zeeflo | anyone here familiar with munin ? |
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| 23:02.29 | petn-randall | ikus060: I'd wait a few months. On the other hand you need to be proficient with your installation and know how to fix things. Otherwise it will be more pain than you'll enjoy. Also this channel only support stable releases. |
| 23:03.28 | petn-randall | dimitry7: You'll have more luck asking your actual question than doing a survey ... :) |
| 23:05.34 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, the survey is here and you count as one. So please give me generic x64 CPU flags for Xen VM. |
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| 23:06.36 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, do you have them? (know them) ? |
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| 23:08.38 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, you are very smart you can straigh away tell me the flags |
| 23:08.43 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, cpuid = [ '0:eax=0x3,ebx=0x0,ecx=0x0,edx=0x0','1:eax=0x06b1,ecx=xxxxxxxxxxx0000xx00xxx0000000xx0,edx=xxx00000xxxxxxx0xxxxxxxxx0xxxxxx','4:eax=0x3,ebx=0x0,ecx=0x0,edx=0x0','0x80000000:eax=0x3,ebx=0x0,ecx=0x0,edx=0x0'] |
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| 23:08.56 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, i give you the x86 generic ones :D |
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| 23:09.36 | gnarface | versions wine-unstable |
| 23:09.43 | gnarface | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 23:09.44 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.7-6 |
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| 23:10.43 | shicy | hello |
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| 23:11.04 | shicy | do you know when will kde 4.10 come to unstable? |
| 23:11.17 | shicy | it's in experimental at the moment... |
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| 23:15.31 | dimitry7 | is struggling with CPU x64 generic flags and petn-randall just laughs about it. |
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| 23:24.08 | rryoumaa | is the use of harden or bastille pretty common and recommended among #debian-ers? |
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| 23:29.12 | tech1anubis | I have what should be an easy one |
| 23:29.22 | tech1anubis | but google has brought me to a dead end |
| 23:29.37 | tech1anubis | synaptic incorrectly edits the sources.list file now |
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| 23:30.15 | tech1anubis | the checkboxes in the repositories section, do not stay |
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| 23:31.47 | f10 | I just did a fresh install of debian wheezy (using debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.) with full disk encryption + lvm. After rebooting I get a grub error. Booting into rescue mode from netinstall I can mount my encrypted partions. In /boot the initrd, vmlinuz, etc files are missing even thouhg package manager says kernel package ist installed. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:32.03 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, is drinking a beer. |
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| 23:36.45 | diverdude | Hello, I have verified that haproxy sends a log message to syslog on localhost which is listening on udp port 514. However the message is not written to the logfile from syslog. Why is that? I have created /etc/rsyslog.d/10-haproxy.conf with the lines: $ModLoad imudp $ServerAddress 127.0.0.1 $UDPServerRun 514. What am I missing? |
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| 23:40.08 | StefanQn1 | shouldn't be the kernel located in /boot/grub/something ? |
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| 23:42.43 | f10 | StefanQn1: in /boot I guess, which is the unencrypted partition |
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| 23:54.28 | tech1anubis | synaptic incorrectly edits the sources.list file now |
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| 23:56.29 | idler420_ | guys |
| 23:56.30 | nkuttler | tech1anubis: \o/ |
| 23:56.32 | idler420_ | my file system |
| 23:56.37 | idler420_ | turned into fuckin read only |
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| 23:56.55 | nkuttler | idler420_: mount -o remount,rw /blah/, and fsck it asap |
| 23:57.20 | StefanQn1 | idler420_: so? my dist-upgrade turned into a dist-fuck |
| 23:57.41 | nkuttler | i had three drives die in the last two weeks... |
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| 23:57.51 | nkuttler | (out of seven) |
| 23:58.39 | idler420_ | what |
| 23:58.42 | idler420_ | directory |
| 23:58.44 | idler420_ | to remount |
| 23:58.48 | idler420_ | wht |
| 23:58.55 | idler420_ | im confused |
| 23:58.58 | nkuttler | idler420_: wherever the filesystem is mounted |
| 23:58.59 | StefanQn1 | nkuttler: not uncommon in raids - if one drive dies, the extra load on the others repairing ... yet, I'm still jealous you got 4 drives left ;) |
| 23:59.09 | nkuttler | idler420_: and try ,. etc instead of enter |
| 23:59.09 | idler420_ | would it be root |
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