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| 00:00.30 | musca | hesperaux: grep -i flags /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:00.47 | musca | lm = long mode is 64 bit |
| 00:00.59 | musca | vmx is virtualization |
| 00:01.26 | hesperaux | i've got -vmx and +lm |
| 00:02.16 | musca | hmm, did you look into the BIOS settings? |
| 00:02.43 | musca | older PCs may need a powercycle after changing this |
| 00:02.43 | hesperaux | what for? |
| 00:02.59 | musca | enable virtualization |
| 00:03.06 | hesperaux | the CPU doesn't support it |
| 00:03.16 | hesperaux | it's an older opteron |
| 00:03.17 | petn-randall | hesperaux: Check with 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' which cpu you have and check on wikipedia if it does support VT. Some BIOSes deactivate it by default. |
| 00:03.19 | musca | many oem disable it by default |
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| 00:03.46 | hesperaux | i know for a fact that the socket 939 opterons were not cooked with VT support |
| 00:03.52 | hesperaux | the 940 series was the first to get it |
| 00:04.26 | petn-randall | I see |
| 00:04.41 | hesperaux | a 32bit guest will be fine, though |
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| 00:06.55 | hesperaux | woohoo! it boots now. |
| 00:07.00 | hesperaux | thanks all. see ya later |
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| 00:07.19 | superstraw | how can i give a regular user full permissions on a nic? what /dev is that? |
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| 00:07.39 | superstraw | or however |
| 00:07.45 | petn-randall | superstraw: That doesn't work. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 00:08.33 | superstraw | petn-randall: gns3 needs root access for controlling the nic for networking stuff. I guess if I could run the program as root in my normal user's window that would be fine, but it can't find the X display when I try. |
| 00:08.55 | petn-randall | superstraw: you're looking for gksu / gksudo. |
| 00:09.08 | superstraw | aaaaahhhhhh |
| 00:09.32 | superstraw | i'm used to the console, sorry. |
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| 00:11.51 | OldParr | i want to use fsck but i am afraid of this: WARNING!!! The filesystem is mounted. If you continue you ***WILL*** |
| 00:11.52 | OldParr | cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage. |
| 00:11.55 | superstraw | petn-randall: works like a charm thanks |
| 00:12.23 | OldParr | how can one use a software that scares like that ? |
| 00:12.45 | fprophet | close your eyes and press enter |
| 00:12.47 | petn-randall | OldParr: Because you'll utterly destroy your filesystem if you fsck it while mounted??! |
| 00:12.48 | Vicissitude | one keeps proper backups ... and one prays mightily :) |
| 00:13.06 | OldParr | i need help not jokes |
| 00:13.10 | OldParr | HELP |
| 00:13.36 | petn-randall | OldParr: The whole purpose of the warning is actually TO WARN you not to do it like that. |
| 00:13.47 | well_laid_lawn | OldParr: unmount the filesystem before fscking |
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| 00:14.25 | OldParr | well_laid_lawn: do you mean to unmount / ? |
| 00:14.36 | Myrtti | touch /forcefsck |
| 00:14.41 | Myrtti | reboot |
| 00:14.44 | well_laid_lawn | ^^ |
| 00:15.04 | petn-randall | OldParr: What Myrtti said. |
| 00:15.05 | well_laid_lawn | OldParr: yep you don't fsck a mounted filesystem |
| 00:15.05 | OldParr | can i unmount "/" ? |
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| 00:15.19 | petn-randall | OldParr: nope, it won't let you. |
| 00:15.32 | well_laid_lawn | luck |
| 00:15.40 | OldParr | petn-randall: please show me how |
| 00:16.15 | OldParr | umount / is the only things that comes to my mind |
| 00:16.39 | petn-randall | OldParr: Still, do what Myrtti said. |
| 00:16.51 | Myrtti | make an empty file called forcefsck in / |
| 00:16.51 | petn-randall | OldParr: "touch /forcefsck" as root, then reboot. |
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| 00:17.02 | OldParr | i do not like the word "force" |
| 00:17.09 | Myrtti | then reboot |
| 00:17.20 | OldParr | when i kiss a woman i knever force her |
| 00:17.21 | Myrtti | its a file |
| 00:17.26 | petn-randall | OldParr: That'll instruct your system to fsck your root partition after rebooting. |
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| 00:18.01 | petn-randall | OldParr: If it gets the job done, who cares if you like the word? |
| 00:18.29 | petn-randall | OldParr: Mummy always loves a kiss from her boy ;P |
| 00:18.38 | Myrtti | it tells the system to do fsck on the / now instead of whatever amount of boots its been told to not do it for |
| 00:18.44 | comodo_dragon | martir |
| 00:19.16 | OldParr | petn-randall: (just to be sure) do you mean "touch /forcefsck" wil not harm my system? |
| 00:19.59 | Myrtti | it will create a file called forcefsck in / |
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| 00:20.12 | Myrtti | nothing more, nothing less. |
| 00:20.27 | petn-randall | OldParr: Ok, if you're skeptical on this channel about what I say, check the man page or google it. Don't ask again, because whatever made you doubt it the first time won't change by asking again. |
| 00:21.02 | petn-randall | OldParr: And I don't entertain myself by typing things twice. |
| 00:21.41 | OldParr | petn-randall: plese receive my sincere apologies, because english is not very good on me |
| 00:22.53 | OldParr | i may look like a stupid but it is in fact a normal guy who speaks spanish triying to acomplish a conversation in a foreign language |
| 00:23.24 | petn-randall | OldParr: Ok, you get the foreign language bonus then :) |
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| 00:24.03 | OldParr | i really want to thank to all you, because this chat is very helpful, thank you friends |
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| 00:25.13 | OldParr | tahnk you to all my friends on this channel .. |
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| 00:25.49 | christoff | hey |
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| 00:26.14 | petn-randall | OldParr: check "man shutdown", and the documentation to "-F". It's basically the stuff we said here. |
| 00:26.36 | petn-randall | OldParr: (Though possibly in your system language, which might be easier to read for you) |
| 00:27.01 | fprophet | petn-randall: I still cant get it Terminal(or browser) to work over vnc |
| 00:27.04 | OldParr | petn-randall: yes i have my linux in spanish, |
| 00:27.28 | petn-randall | fprophet: Sorry, I'm out of idea, but maybe someone else in the channel knows. |
| 00:27.35 | petn-randall | *ideas |
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| 00:29.27 | OldParr | i ran "touch /forcefsck" i iam going to reboot now, thank you english speaking friends |
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| 00:38.37 | elkingrey | petn-randall: Deva Dup |
| 00:38.44 | elkingrey | Deja Dup |
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| 00:43.45 | idler421 | hey |
| 00:43.57 | idler421 | i just compiled a kernel |
| 00:43.59 | idler421 | and |
| 00:44.03 | idler421 | im getting an error |
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| 00:44.30 | idler421 | zmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jake/downloads/linux-3.10-rc2' |
| 00:44.30 | idler421 | make: *** [debian/stamp/build/kernel] Error 2 |
| 00:44.40 | idler421 | did it work or no |
| 00:45.44 | idler421 | help |
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| 00:46.50 | idler421 | please |
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| 00:47.31 | christoff | does anyone here simply use command line and not a DE? |
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| 00:48.19 | idler421 | i use |
| 00:48.20 | idler421 | a |
| 00:48.25 | idler421 | wm |
| 00:48.28 | idler421 | and thats it |
| 00:48.46 | christoff | idler I mean nothing, simply text command line nothing else |
| 00:48.53 | christoff | no window managers |
| 00:48.54 | idler421 | thats gay |
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| 00:49.05 | idler421 | no point |
| 00:49.06 | christoff | that may be sir |
| 00:49.08 | idler421 | in doing that |
| 00:49.16 | christoff | well, it would use a lot less battery power on your laptop |
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| 00:49.27 | christoff | im doing so now, just using the irc |
| 00:49.31 | christoff | to see what its like |
| 00:49.44 | christoff | wondered if anyone else did that |
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| 00:52.59 | idler421 | christoff |
| 00:53.05 | idler421 | have you ever compiled a kernel |
| 00:55.06 | christoff | nope |
| 00:55.09 | christoff | i wouldnt dare haha |
| 00:55.24 | christoff | ive been using linux for years, but i have yet to delve so deep into the system |
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| 00:56.28 | cusco | hi |
| 00:56.38 | cusco | how do I check wich driver am currently using in xorg? |
| 00:56.44 | petn-randall | christoff: No survey here, this is a support channel. If you have a question, ask it here. If you're for small talk, you can do that on #debian-offtopic. |
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| 00:57.40 | petn-randall | idler421: Jake, please refrain from hitting the enter key all the time. Use full sentences, otherwise its really tiresome to read. |
| 00:57.58 | petn-randall | idler421: This isn't a kernel you got from Debian, right? |
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| 01:03.36 | petn-randall | idler421: Can you please paste the last ~50 lines of that compile run to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 01:20.21 | elkingrey | Anybody know of any solid truecrypt alternatives? Free software, of course. |
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| 01:23.45 | petn-randall | elkingrey: LUKS + cryptsetup |
| 01:24.07 | petn-randall | elkingrey: Check the cryptsetup package and its docs. |
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| 02:03.37 | catlee | Hi, I've just busted my system with a recent upgrade. I'm missing libselinux.so.1, libpam.so.0 |
| 02:04.23 | catlee | any tips for recovering |
| 02:04.26 | catlee | ? |
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| 02:06.01 | rwp | catlee, libselinux.so.1 is in the libselinux1. I would 'apt-get install --reinstall libselinux1' for a first guess. |
| 02:06.12 | catlee | I can't run apt-get |
| 02:06.23 | catlee | missing libapt-pkg.so.4.12 too |
| 02:06.44 | rwp | How did you get into this state? |
| 02:06.49 | catlee | I'm not sure |
| 02:06.58 | catlee | just was doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:06.59 | themill | catlee: upgrading from what to what? |
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| 02:07.11 | catlee | looks like it was trying to upgrade libc6:amd64 |
| 02:07.37 | joako | Is there any way I can use pulseaudio without a GUI? |
| 02:07.44 | catlee | http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2444534 |
| 02:07.51 | themill | catlee: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 multiarch-support dpkg apt perl; apt-cache policy" for us too? |
| 02:08.08 | catlee | themill: apt-cache can't run |
| 02:08.14 | themill | ugh |
| 02:08.15 | catlee | libapt-pkg.so.4.12 isn't found |
| 02:08.43 | catlee | and I also can't run su or sudo |
| 02:08.47 | rwp | themill, rescue mode from a debian cd? |
| 02:09.13 | themill | catlee: what version of debian do you think you are running? what do you want to be running? |
| 02:09.26 | themill | rwp: fiddling with LD_LIBRARY_PATH might be enough |
| 02:09.54 | petn-randall | catlee: So from where to where did you dist-upgrade? What are the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? ==> http://paste.debian.net |
| 02:09.56 | catlee | themill: /etc/debian_version says jessie/sid now |
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| 02:10.52 | themill | catlee: what does "ls /lib/*/libz.so*" output? |
| 02:11.35 | catlee | themill: nothing |
| 02:11.41 | catlee | no such file or directory |
| 02:12.09 | themill | hm fun |
| 02:12.12 | catlee | well, busybox ls '/lib/*/libz.so*', since ls doesn't work |
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| 02:12.45 | themill | catlee: quoting the * like that will stop it expanding |
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| 02:13.23 | catlee | ah, ok |
| 02:13.45 | catlee | have libz.so.1 in both /lib/i386-linux-gnu and /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 02:14.09 | catlee | set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to there? |
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| 02:15.17 | themill | does "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu apt-cache policy" work? |
| 02:15.31 | catlee | yep |
| 02:15.36 | catlee | just tried that |
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| 02:15.50 | catlee | so the libs got moved around? |
| 02:16.06 | ddalton | hi are there any known bugs with pygame? if i do this import pygame pygame.mixer.init() |
| 02:16.18 | ddalton | a=pygame.mixer.Sound("sound.ogg") a.play () no sound. |
| 02:16.24 | ddalton | use mplayer to play sound.ogg works fine... |
| 02:16.40 | themill | catlee: between squeeze and wheezy and even lenny's ld knew to look for the libraries in the right places |
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| 02:19.04 | Tronic | My game needs custom TTF/OTF fonts for its theme. How should this be packaged and where should the fonts be installed on Debian-based systems? |
| 02:19.09 | catlee | themill: so what's going on? why does setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH help? |
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| 02:19.59 | catlee | sudo and su must ignore LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 02:20.04 | themill | catlee: have you been editing things in /etc/ld.so.conf or /etc/ld.so.conf.d? Do you have files in there? We've established that you're upgrading to jessie/sid here, but what were you running before? |
| 02:20.23 | catlee | themill: I was reasonably up to date last week |
| 02:20.32 | themill | up to date with which release? |
| 02:20.33 | Tronic | Additionally, we are not quite sure if we can distribute SIL OFL licensed fonts in the same package with the GPLv2 or later software (the licenses being incompatible with each-other). |
| 02:20.41 | catlee | mix of testing and unstable |
| 02:21.04 | joako | Anyone knows a better way to deal with pulseaudio? I want to run the system without any GUI to take audio from the bluetooth to the speaker. Sounds simple but PulseAudio is making this impossible. |
| 02:21.11 | blocky | not sure if I should ask this here or #mint but if I want to install linux mint debian via wifi, is there a way to load the iwlwifi during install? |
| 02:21.49 | Christoff522 | not as far as I know blocky, but via ethernet it should be quite easy to apt-get the firmware |
| 02:21.54 | themill | catlee: yes, sudo and su are both going to clean the environment, but you shouldn't need LD_LIBRARY_PATH set at all for basic libraries like this -- those paths should already be on the path via /etc/ld.so* |
| 02:22.10 | catlee | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2444598 is my sources.list |
| 02:22.13 | themill | blocky: you'd do better asking the mint people |
| 02:22.28 | catlee | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2444599 is my ld.so.conf.d |
| 02:22.37 | catlee | I haven't edited anything there |
| 02:22.37 | themill | catlee: (unrelated, but please use a different mirror that is closer to you rather than ftp.d.o) |
| 02:23.26 | themill | catlee: and /etc/ld.so.conf has "include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf" I assume? |
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| 02:23.38 | catlee | themill: yes |
| 02:24.14 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 02:24.38 | catlee | so /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is in x86_64-linux-gnu.conf |
| 02:24.46 | catlee | but su can't find /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpam.so.0 |
| 02:24.50 | EasyAsPie | how r u catlee? |
| 02:25.38 | themill | catlee: so have you got it to a stage where apt is happy that everything is upgraded? |
| 02:25.48 | catlee | themill: no |
| 02:25.55 | catlee | it died after the first failed upgrade |
| 02:26.15 | catlee | and now I have no shell with root |
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| 02:28.12 | themill | ah |
| 02:28.24 | catlee | always leave one root shell open..... |
| 02:28.35 | catlee | can't ssh in |
| 02:28.43 | themill | catlee: does busybox su help? |
| 02:28.53 | catlee | I don't think I have su in busybox |
| 02:29.00 | catlee | applet not found |
| 02:29.12 | themill | fun |
| 02:29.22 | catlee | console login is busted too |
| 02:29.58 | catlee | so...what is it that's preventing the library loader from finding stuff? |
| 02:30.32 | catlee | what's /etc/ld.so.nohwcap? |
| 02:30.57 | catlee | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 25 18:46 ld.so.nohwcap |
| 02:31.06 | themill | At this stage, I think you might be booting into a rescue CD then trying to fix stuff up on disk. You should also be able to do it with init=/bin/bash but that might not work out so well either. |
| 02:31.22 | catlee | init=/bin/busybox maybe? |
| 02:31.51 | themill | depends... I always install busybox-static not busybox. |
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| 02:32.31 | sawjig | for me if I had a system like that unless there was some reason I couldn't reinstall, I would just reinstall. |
| 02:32.44 | catlee | this is half the fun of running linux! |
| 02:33.10 | sawjig | What are you going to do manually copy over /usr/ and /lib from a live cd then have nothing on the system correspond to what the package manager thinks is installed |
| 02:33.26 | catlee | not sure |
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| 02:33.37 | catlee | setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH seems to work |
| 02:33.40 | sawjig | catlee, pretty mundane problem for saying it's fun :P |
| 02:33.41 | catlee | except for su |
| 02:33.58 | sawjig | this is why you always leave a backup kids |
| 02:34.00 | catlee | so booting into recovering mode may have a chance |
| 02:34.41 | sawjig | did you check your apt logs to see where it choked? |
| 02:35.25 | catlee | heh |
| 02:35.32 | catlee | Remove: libelf1:amd64 (0.153-2) |
| 02:35.37 | catlee | that doesn't look good |
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| 02:36.16 | sawjig | it sounds to me like it choked during an update by before it started installing anything. |
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| 02:36.36 | sawjig | I've had it happen from powerloss before. |
| 02:37.12 | sawjig | Remove a bunch of packages leaving apt and most other things broken. |
| 02:37.36 | themill | catlee: that package isn't as important as it sounds |
| 02:38.01 | blocky | will i be able to mount a usb stick with a firmware tarball during install? |
| 02:38.32 | themill | blocky: please ask the mint people about their installer. |
| 02:38.52 | blocky | themill i've decided to go with stock wheezy |
| 02:39.36 | themill | blocky: yes -- "/msg dpkg installer firmware" for more details |
| 02:40.14 | blocky | themill thanks |
| 02:40.38 | themill | blocky: alternatively, there is a CD image with the firmware already on it -- follow the cross references dpkg gave you |
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| 02:41.38 | blocky | themill i saw that but I'd rather download the dvd than the netinst |
| 02:42.33 | fprophet | Can anyone help me figure out why I can't launch Google Chrome or a Terminal in XFCE4. I am assuming that it's started by tightvncserver |
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| 02:44.30 | elkingrey | In trying to figure out how to get port forwarding to work, it seems odd to me that by default all of my ports are open on debian, and I'm strictly relying on my router's firewall to prevent access. |
| 02:45.41 | freax | there is two methods to that |
| 02:45.45 | freax | block the service ports |
| 02:45.47 | freax | or stop the services |
| 02:45.57 | freax | or enable access to the services on only 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:46.03 | freax | or only on the lan IP |
| 02:46.24 | elkingrey | I want to open up port forwarding, but despite my best efforts on my router, the port remains closed. I can't help but to feel that it's my computer doing the blocking now. |
| 02:46.52 | freax | weird |
| 02:47.48 | elkingrey | How can I look at my current settings on my computer. I am told that there is no firewall enabled by default. But, don't I have to enable things like SSH if I want them open, or are they open by default? |
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| 02:57.13 | freax | [12:20] <Devastator> does anyone here happen to use audacity? |
| 02:57.18 | freax | [12:42] <freax> yeah |
| 02:57.18 | freax | [12:48] <Devastator> I have a notebook with a fresh install of Wheezy (Core2Duo T7300 1.73GHz, 1MB of cache, 1GB of RAM and 120GB of hdd), when trying to record with Audacity, it stutters, is my hardware too weak for it? |
| 02:57.22 | freax | [12:49] <Devastator> according to linux system requirements of their page, I would need a 533MHz processor and more than 64MB of RAM |
| 02:57.22 | freax | [12:54] <freax> no somethings wrong |
| 02:57.26 | freax | [12:55] <freax> is the hard drive full or almost full? |
| 02:57.26 | freax | [12:55] <freax> btw you should ask this in #debian |
| 02:57.26 | freax | [12:55] <freax> i don't think its a hardware issue |
| 02:57.31 | freax | [12:55] <freax> but if it is it would be a driver issue |
| 02:57.31 | freax | [12:55] <freax> or video card issue maybe |
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| 02:58.50 | Devastator | freax thanks, well, my videocard is using openchrome driver, I did test 3D capability, it seems to be working |
| 02:58.58 | freax | [12:57] <Devastator> harddrive has only about 8gb out of 120GB |
| 02:58.58 | freax | [12:57] <freax> what could be happening is the hard drive could have too low of a transfer rate to save the audio file properly |
| 02:58.58 | freax | [12:57] <freax> free up some space and try again maybe |
| 02:58.59 | sawjig | freax, next time just paste bin it please :P |
| 02:59.05 | freax | roger sawjig |
| 02:59.06 | Devastator | audacity takes about 28% of cpu |
| 03:00.29 | sawjig | the problems with audacity could be lots of things are you trying to record from a input? |
| 03:00.38 | sawjig | What soundcard do yu have does it have any known problems etc etc |
| 03:01.02 | Devastator | sawjig yes, I'm trying to record from a input |
| 03:01.09 | Devastator | soundcard is VIA |
| 03:01.49 | Devastator | I'm not aware of any issues with it though |
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| 03:03.39 | sawjig | Devastator, the other thing is it could just be your mic. |
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| 03:04.10 | Devastator | not really, I'm not using a mic, it's line |
| 03:04.31 | sawjig | so you've hooked something into line in |
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| 03:04.49 | Devastator | exactly, and I can see the waveform freezing for a few miliseconds |
| 03:05.26 | fprophet | if I start vnc server as root I can start google chrome and terminal. but if I create a new user, start vnc as the new user I get a "input/out error terminal not found" and chrome wont even launch. Any ideas? |
| 03:06.04 | sawjig | fprophet, a new user or a new vncsession on the same user? |
| 03:06.39 | fprophet | I dont know what a vncsession is. but when i log in as the new user and tightvncserver :1 it creates an X desktop |
| 03:06.56 | sawjig | Devastator, I run unstable so I'm not really sure what the default is, are you running pulseaudio or alsa? |
| 03:07.19 | Devastator | sawjig I think it is alsa |
| 03:07.29 | sawjig | fprophet, well when you run a vncserver it starts a session on like 5900 |
| 03:07.44 | sawjig | fprophet, if you run it again it'll start another session on 5901 |
| 03:08.36 | fprophet | oh |
| 03:09.12 | fprophet | after booting up my vps, I log in as the new user and start the vnc server. I only start it once |
| 03:09.51 | sawjig | oh, I just realised that you said you were running as root :< |
| 03:10.10 | fprophet | no no, I can run everything just fine as root |
| 03:10.20 | fprophet | but I dont want to. I want to run as a non-root user |
| 03:10.33 | fprophet | but when I do I cant launch a terminal, or open google chrome |
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| 03:10.52 | fprophet | I start vnc over putty |
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| 03:13.12 | tablaboom | Which is the best way to create a customized debian distro ISO which can be used offline (if possible) using a debian cd i already have and want to add new packages to it. |
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| 03:14.24 | sawjig | tablaboom, http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 03:15.37 | tablaboom | I have seen live-helper, debian-cd and simple-cdd. Can anyone guide me to which method should I follow for create custom cd ? |
| 03:15.46 | sawjig | fprophet, sounds like a permissions thing but I'm not sure what on the default install would do it, did you install debian or are you using an image provided by your VPS? |
| 03:15.58 | tablaboom | sawjig, thanks. Does it support lenny ? |
| 03:16.18 | tablaboom | I want to build custom cd on top of lenny. |
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| 03:17.15 | sawjig | tablaboom, it should work with whatever. |
| 03:17.24 | sawjig | tablaboom, you should be able to build a sid live cd if you want. |
| 03:17.47 | sawjig | tablaboom, as far as I know they use this system to generate the testing iso's that you can use to install testing. |
| 03:18.34 | tablaboom | sawjig, can I use my own ISO with it ? I have an iso of lenny already downloaded. I just want to add a few packages (like fonts, media players, etc) to it and create another debian lenny custom iso. |
| 03:18.58 | fprophet | Still cant get a terminal to open up on my new user. Why is this? |
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| 03:19.16 | fprophet | Theres no errors, no popups (unless I try using XFCE's default launcher) |
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| 03:20.39 | tablaboom | sawjig, I used remastersys but the installer it creates is not very user friendly for people not using linux. So was thinking if smething existed which creates cd with the default user friendly installer |
| 03:20.56 | fprophet | XFCE4 default terminal launcher says "Failed to execute default Terminal Emulator. Input/output error." |
| 03:23.00 | sawjig | tablaboom, http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 03:23.27 | fprophet | lol.. installed LXTerminal and it doesnt accept input |
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| 03:23.42 | sawjig | tablaboom, simple-cdd apparently creates an install cd based on what pacakges you throw at it. |
| 03:23.43 | fprophet | Is there anyway to atleast see the errors |
| 03:24.27 | sawjig | fprophet, as I said it sounds like a permissions issue, what vnc server are you running? What groups is your user in? are you using a default debian install or an image provided by your host? |
| 03:24.42 | fprophet | whe I attempt to open xterm throug putty I get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: xterm: Â DISPLAY is not set" |
| 03:24.48 | fprophet | tightvncserver |
| 03:25.12 | fprophet | I'm using an image of debian 6.0.7 |
| 03:25.57 | sawjig | that's because on windows you don't have an X server |
| 03:26.09 | sawjig | You need xming on windows to do X forewarding. |
| 03:26.26 | fprophet | Why do I need x forwarding over vnc? |
| 03:26.36 | sawjig | you said through putty. |
| 03:26.53 | fprophet | I was hoping to get some sort of error that would explain why it doesnt even launch over vnc :( |
| 03:26.55 | sawjig | VNC is it's own thing that you connect through with some application. |
| 03:27.39 | sawjig | by default should see logs in .vnc in your home |
| 03:27.52 | tablaboom | sawjig, thanks. I tried using simple-cdd all day yesterday. But I came across this error: http://pastie.org/7960542 and I did all possible things mentioned on the internet but the errors just won't go. :( |
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| 03:28.17 | tablaboom | So I was wondering if there was an easier way. |
| 03:28.31 | tablaboom | Live-helper seems ok. But I am not sure how well it works |
| 03:29.08 | sawjig | tablaboom, I almost always just debootstrap so I've never created a custom install CD before. |
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| 03:29.47 | sawjig | tablaboom, and add those pacakges that it complains about not having to the install ;) |
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| 03:30.39 | tablaboom | sawjig, I did ! I tried to add all (recursive) dependencies of less. Seems to me it is a bug of some sort ! |
| 03:31.06 | sawjig | tablaboom, did you go to their IRC channel and ask #debian-custom |
| 03:31.32 | sawjig | as far as I can tell Simple-CDD is one of the easiest ways to do what you want. |
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| 03:32.39 | ltsampros | hello |
| 03:32.39 | tablaboom | sawjig, seems like that :) I guess I'll just give it another try today. Maybe today will be a good day ;) |
| 03:32.50 | ltsampros | I'm trying to figure out how to enable nfs v4.1 on my debian nfs server. |
| 03:32.54 | sawjig | tablaboom, I really suggest you go to #debian-custom |
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| 03:33.21 | ltsampros | I added -V 4.1 on RPCMOUNTDOPTS to no effect |
| 03:33.27 | ltsampros | anyone figured that out ? |
| 03:33.29 | tablaboom | sawjig, Oh. thanks! I most definitely will. I was unaware of this channel |
| 03:33.32 | sawjig | tablaboom, ask there first with your pastie and maybe someone can help you! |
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| 03:34.03 | sawjig | rather than running through the procedure that has already failed. |
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| 03:34.24 | tablaboom | sawjig, Hmm.. I certainly will.. |
| 03:34.37 | tablaboom | well seems I cannot join #debian-custom. It is invite only |
| 03:34.40 | sawjig | tablaboom, although if I read this correctly it doesn't support all versions of debian, so maybe that's the issue. |
| 03:35.32 | sawjig | It's on another IRC network apparently: Please direct any questions to the simple-cdd-devel mailing list or #debian-custom irc channel on irc.debian.org. |
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| 03:41.05 | fprophet | sawjig: would you know what permissions I need to give my user so that I can have a terminal |
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| 03:42.47 | mumpitzel | fprophet: in what groups is your user a member (run "groups") |
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| 03:49.17 | sawjig | mumpitzel, what group would prevent him from being unable to open a terminal? |
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| 03:50.49 | converge | I going to install a mail server, Im looking for some fast to setup server, some suggestion ? |
| 03:51.29 | mumpitzel | sawjig: something like video or plugdev or whatever might, not totally sure. but if he gets a DISPLAY error I dunno. however I don't understand why he would need putty with vnd either |
| 03:51.54 | mumpitzel | converge: depends what you actually want to do |
| 03:51.56 | sawjig | mumpitzel, because you always tunnel vnc connections. |
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| 03:53.06 | converge | mumpitzel: it's for my home server |
| 03:53.23 | converge | mumpitzel: imap and smtp |
| 03:53.57 | mumpitzel | receive and send? |
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| 03:54.26 | sawjig | fprophet, you are tunneling some VNC viewer application and not just trying to run things in putty correct? |
| 03:54.31 | converge | mumpitzel: yes |
| 03:54.44 | mumpitzel | postfix and dovecot imho |
| 03:55.05 | blocky | so I'm in the wheezy installer and it's not recognizing the firmware on my usb drive... is there a way to install the dpkg manually? |
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| 03:55.21 | fprophet | I am not tunneling as far as I know |
| 03:55.37 | fprophet | I am just logging into my user through putty, issuing tightvncstart :1 |
| 03:55.44 | fprophet | and connecting from a vnc client |
| 03:55.46 | mumpitzel | blocky: cltr+alt+f2 gives you a prompt |
| 03:56.19 | fprophet | mumpitzel: my user group is just my username |
| 03:56.30 | blocky | mumpitzel but dpkg is not available |
| 03:57.41 | blocky | ah i found it |
| 03:57.47 | blocky | had to rename folder to /firmware :) |
| 04:00.02 | fprophet | I installed lxterminal and it doesnt even accept input :/ |
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| 04:04.48 | converge | mumpitzel: thank |
| 04:04.50 | converge | mumpitzel: thanks |
| 04:05.11 | sawjig | fprophet, so you're using.. x forwarding ? |
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| 04:05.33 | fprophet | sawjig: no... im using a vnc server and client |
| 04:05.47 | sawjig | if you're using a vncviewer without tunneling it through ssh on a VPS that's a very bad thing to do. |
| 04:05.48 | blocky | for 6gb of ram, how big should swap partition be? |
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| 04:06.21 | fprophet | if I were to x forward what would the point of vnc be? |
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| 04:06.49 | sawjig | fprophet, the way you descibed how you did things was vague so I was clarifying. |
| 04:07.09 | fprophet | like I said, in my search for answers I logged in as root, started a vnc server and logged in over vnc. everything worked perfectly |
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| 04:07.28 | sawjig | fprophet, http://martybugs.net/smoothwall/puttyvnc.cgi |
| 04:07.44 | fprophet | I installed debian. installed xfce4. installed tightvncserver, created new user, ran tightvncserver as new user |
| 04:07.49 | sawjig | fprophet, you haven't really given any information whenver you get asked questions so it's kind of hard to help. |
| 04:08.11 | fprophet | I'm not sure what else there is to say. I just said exactly what I did :( |
| 04:09.02 | sawjig | fprophet, I asked you for what your groups were earlier and you didn't answer, and mumpitzel asked again and you didn't give him your groups :P |
| 04:09.12 | fprophet | I want to access the vps over vnc on devices that putty is now available on(like my phone) so I dont really want to rely on tunneling like that |
| 04:09.27 | sawjig | fprophet, that is not advisable |
| 04:09.27 | fprophet | Must not have seen it. my apologizes |
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| 04:09.32 | sawjig | VNC is not secure |
| 04:10.08 | fprophet | okay |
| 04:10.12 | sawjig | it's not a good idea to run VNC listening on an outward facing interface in most cases. |
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| 04:10.41 | fprophet | I don't leave it listening. I manually start it up whenever I need it |
| 04:10.44 | sawjig | you usually want to create a SSH tunnel and connect to it. Making the vnc server only available on localhost |
| 04:11.06 | fprophet | ah |
| 04:11.15 | fprophet | but why would that cause certain things to just not work |
| 04:11.18 | sawjig | it's got to be listening on an outward facing port if you're just connecting to it though. |
| 04:11.32 | fprophet | such as the inability to open a terminal emulator or even a browser |
| 04:11.38 | sawjig | it wouldn't it's an unrelated security practice. |
| 04:11.50 | fprophet | ah |
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| 04:15.23 | fprophet | when I try using xfce's run from the menu to try and open xterm theres nothing at all happening. no errors. not a thing. but if I use the default launcher it says input/output error |
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| 05:05.34 | nonconvergent | Huh, my laptop appears to have...well... |
| 05:05.38 | nonconvergent | I don't know what this is. |
| 05:06.29 | nonconvergent | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e9e1v0enfowe7fc/2013-05-26%2000.55.53.jpg |
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| 05:06.59 | nonconvergent | I can reboot with sysrq...it's happened once before. |
| 05:07.21 | nonconvergent | I was just sitting there with it in my lap, the screensaver was running, and I wasn't paying it much attention. |
| 05:07.28 | nonconvergent | then this happened. |
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| 05:08.45 | fleeky | hi there , $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3478:3479 -j ACCEPT would that work ? |
| 05:08.52 | fleeky | for trying to specify a port range |
| 05:09.01 | fleeky | i do the same thing with sport |
| 05:09.16 | fleeky | just wondering if i have to do multiple entries for something or if i can just do that |
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| 05:23.46 | Axis2 | Would anyone mind helping me with an issue I'm having on a Debian 6 64bits (Squeeze) running XFCE Desktop Environement VPS |
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| 05:41.27 | alvwil | Hello |
| 05:42.19 | loaden | hi,guys! I have meet a trouble on `disper` command. When I use `disper -l`, will see: display LVDS: LVDS resolutions: 720x480, 800x480, 800x600, 1024x600, 1024x768, 1280x720, 1280x768, 1366x768, 640x480 display CRT1: CRT1 resolutions: 640x480, 720x480, 800x480, 800x600, 1024x600, 1024x768, 1280x720, 1280x768, 1152x864, 1280x800, 1366x768, 1280x960, 1280x1024, 1440x900 |
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| 05:43.31 | loaden | Please see the strange output in LVDS: `1280x768, 1366x768, 640x480`, you can see the 640x480 behind the 1366x768. |
| 05:44.20 | loaden | So, when I use `disper -s`, it will choose 640x480 resolution but not 1366x768. |
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| 05:45.53 | alvwil | I'm installing a minimal Xfce desktop with Debian Wheezy netinstall. I need some advise on what applications I should install to get a functioning desktop. I read a few articles online which suggest I install xorg, xfce4, synaptic, getdebi and wicd. Am I missing anything else? |
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| 05:47.33 | loaden | hi,guys! I have meet a trouble on `disper` command. When I use `disper -l`, will see: display LVDS: LVDS resolutions: 720x480, 800x480, 800x600, 1024x600, 1024x768, 1280x720, 1280x768, 1366x768, 640x480 display CRT1: CRT1 resolutions: 640x480, 720x480, 800x480, 800x600, 1024x600, 1024x768, 1280x720, 1280x768, 1152x864, 1280x800, 1366x768, 1280x960, 1280x1024, 1440x900. Please see the strange output in LVDS: `1280x768, 1366x768, 640 |
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| 05:49.15 | alvwil | has anyone attempted to install a minimal xfce desktop with Debian wheezy 7 net install? |
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| 05:49.48 | alvwil | I need some advise which programs to select to get a minimal working desktop. thank you. |
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| 05:50.39 | alvwil | tech9ne: love your name, are you fan? |
| 05:50.56 | themill | alvwil: your version of "minimal" is going to be very different to other people's idea. Just try it out and install more if needed... or easier, just use the xfce task in the installer |
| 05:50.58 | Gokee2 | alvwil, I like to install just the base then install xfce once you are up and running |
| 05:51.34 | alvwil | Gokee2: Thats what I'd like to do also |
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| 05:52.21 | Gokee2 | alvwil, Then just unselect pretty much everything and once it reboots and you are at a prompt you can use apt-get or such to install more |
| 05:52.56 | alvwil | Gokee2: During the installation process, the installer asks me what software to install. I have unchecked all box except standard system utilities. Is this what you would do? |
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| 05:53.14 | themill | alvwil: sounds reasonable |
| 05:53.16 | Gokee2 | alvwil, Ya I think thats' what I normally do |
| 05:53.20 | Gokee2 | that's* |
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| 05:53.39 | alvwil | do I need standard utilities or can I dispense with is |
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| 05:53.59 | themill | dpkg: tell alvwil about standard task |
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| 05:54.52 | themill | alvwil: there are a few things in there that aren't that essential, but there are lots of things that any self-respecting linux box should have |
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| 05:55.24 | alvwil | themill: best keep it then? |
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| 05:57.17 | alvwil | Gokee2: I going to install xorg, xfce4, synaptic, and wicd. Am I missing anything vital? |
| 05:57.36 | Gokee2 | alvwil, Is this the screen you are at or one after? http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel |
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| 05:57.59 | alvwil | Gokee2: let me check. one moment please. |
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| 05:58.24 | alvwil | yes that's the one! should I unselect everything? |
| 05:58.36 | cwong2012 | how do i set a background image (.svg) from commandline? |
| 05:58.38 | Gokee2 | alvwil, No graphical login, but you might not need that depending on who all you are wanting to use the computer, I often don't install one unless I am letting other people use the comp. |
| 05:58.41 | cwong2012 | i use openbox. |
| 05:59.02 | themill | alvwil: it's only disk space... I wouldn't stress about it anyway |
| 05:59.16 | alvwil | I thought wicd was the graphical login manager? |
| 05:59.30 | Gokee2 | alvwil, wicd manages your networks |
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| 05:59.53 | alvwil | woops wrong one. |
| 06:00.25 | alvwil | It will only be me using this machine. I don't think I need one. |
| 06:00.46 | phatypus | cwong2012: sorry i just saw you use openbox |
| 06:01.08 | phatypus | i sent you a dm with the paste of how i normally do it for gnome |
| 06:01.11 | themill | alvwil: it's easier to use one |
| 06:01.32 | Gokee2 | alvwil, ya, startx is not so bad to type if you want a gui :) |
| 06:01.33 | alvwil | themill: what application do suggets for this? |
| 06:02.24 | themill | alvwil: perhaps you should just install xfce from tasksel |
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| 06:02.40 | alvwil | Gokee2: By the way, should I select "Standard system utilities" or leave all the options unchecked - to get a base install? |
| 06:02.45 | themill | dpkg: tell alvwil about install xfce |
| 06:02.56 | Gokee2 | alvwil, I like lxdm sometimes for a lightweight login manager, then again I also prefer lxde to xfce so your mileage may vary |
| 06:02.59 | themill | alvwil: you should select standard task. We've alreaedy covered this. |
| 06:03.28 | alvwil | themill: Thank you for the offer but I want to learn how to do this as I'm installing it on a net book with limited resources. |
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| 06:04.12 | nonconvergent | alvwil: If you're going to use xfce, and you've selected that from the installer, and they you deslect Desktop Environment at the tasksel screen ( the one Gokee2 linked to) you will not install xfce, xorg, or any desktop application. |
| 06:04.27 | Gokee2 | alvwil, And I don't have an opinion on standard utils cause I am not sure what that package installs... Though if you want a somewhat sane install I would select it. Then again I feel somewhat like firing up an install and seeing what difference it makes. |
| 06:04.55 | Gokee2 | Then again I guess you want a somewhat sane install... So just select it, I doubt its vvery big. |
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| 06:05.06 | alvwil | Gokee2: Yes, I'm rather curious also |
| 06:05.49 | nonconvergent | You can get them all manually. tasksel is just a metapackage selection step anyway. But it's a lot easier. |
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| 06:06.37 | alvwil | Gokee2: Ok it's installing now. |
| 06:06.57 | cwong2012 | phatypus: let me give it a go! :D |
| 06:07.18 | themill | (actually, standard task is a special case within tasksel -- it's not a meta package) |
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| 06:08.08 | Gokee2 | themill, So do you know exactly what all it installs? |
| 06:08.30 | nonconvergent | themill: Yeah, but it's gonna pull in whichever desktop he selected. Along with deps like xorg and avahi-daemon. |
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| 06:08.44 | themill | nonconvergent: no |
| 06:09.16 | nonconvergent | Gokee2: aptitude show task-desktop and aptitude show task-xfce-desktop |
| 06:09.30 | themill | Gokee2: standard task is "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" (use "search" instead of "install" to get the package list) |
| 06:09.46 | themill | nonconvergent: they're talking about the standard task which is different to task-desktop etc. |
| 06:10.00 | nonconvergent | themill: I thought they were identical. |
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| 06:10.32 | alvwil | cwong2012: yeah try it, how bare bones can it |
| 06:10.44 | alvwil | * be |
| 06:10.59 | Gokee2 | themill, Does tasksel use aptitude? |
| 06:11.19 | themill | nonconvergent: no. "Desktop environment" ≠"Standard system utilities" |
| 06:11.33 | cwong2012 | phatypus: no luck with all those commands... background still just black. )= |
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| 06:11.57 | Gokee2 | Huh, on my system I see all kinds of packages I normally don't have when I am finished with the installer... I guess I normally deselect that option |
| 06:12.06 | cwong2012 | phatypus: of course i am pointing to a real .svg file by the way :D |
| 06:12.14 | alvwil | Ok it's almost finished installing. Next step installing xorg, xfce4, synaptic, wicD and perhaps alsa and alsa utilities (do I need this for sound to work?) |
| 06:12.24 | nonconvergent | themill: Yeah, but they have to get all that when the run the installer regardless of what they pick at selection. |
| 06:12.27 | themill | Gokee2: no, it does an equivalent thing internally to that search pattern |
| 06:12.38 | themill | nonconvergent: not true. |
| 06:12.41 | Gokee2 | themill, Ah, interesting :) |
| 06:12.50 | alvwil | Ok should I install Grub boot loader? |
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| 06:13.15 | Gokee2 | alvwil, Yes, unless you have some other bootloader you plan on using |
| 06:13.19 | alvwil | nope |
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| 06:13.25 | alvwil | installing |
| 06:13.32 | cwong2012 | i just finally got debian back on my desktop! :D had to use a diff distro for the last year because my desktop was not booting up on the old version of debian.. but since all my configs were setup via puppet, it only took 10 min to setup after the install! :P |
| 06:14.05 | alvwil | cwong2012: let me know how you get on. I may have to do it myself :) |
| 06:14.11 | Gokee2 | cwong2012, Nice! I so need to take the time to actually start using puppet sometime |
| 06:14.25 | cwong2012 | alvwil: get on what? |
| 06:15.04 | alvwil | cwong2012: sorry i thought you were doing a minimal install |
| 06:15.15 | cwong2012 | Gokee2: life saver! i have puppetmaster running on my raspberry pi, i puppetize my desktop and laptop, and the pi. |
| 06:15.25 | alvwil | *how embarrassing* |
| 06:15.38 | Gokee2 | cwong2012, lol, Nice! |
| 06:15.47 | cwong2012 | alvwil: oh. i just did the normal netinstall. click next on pretty much everything. |
| 06:16.14 | alvwil | I'm at the text console know.... oh dear.... |
| 06:16.24 | cwong2012 | :D |
| 06:16.47 | Gokee2 | alvwil, That's expected.... |
| 06:16.56 | alvwil | cwong2012: ok the first thing I want to do is update my source list to testing? how do I do this? |
| 06:17.00 | Gokee2 | As you have no gui until you install one |
| 06:17.35 | alvwil | Gokee2: install xorg and xfce4 |
| 06:17.35 | cwong2012 | just dont select any packages during that section to get minimal. if you really want minimal. install debfoster, then run it and it will go thru every package on your system and see if you want to delete them. |
| 06:17.55 | cwong2012 | alvwil: i just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 06:18.29 | alvwil | I'll will have to install the DE first won't I? |
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| 06:18.52 | cwong2012 | alvwil: to edit a file? nope. |
| 06:18.54 | Gokee2 | alvwil, Just run "apt-get install xfce4" to install your DE |
| 06:19.40 | Gokee2 | Or if you really want to go to testing right away you can edit your sources with nano or vi without a DE |
| 06:19.43 | nonconvergent | install xfce4 will pull in a lot of the stuff you need. You might want a dm too. lightdm is what task-xfce-desktop would have pulled in. |
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| 06:20.19 | alvwil | roger |
| 06:21.16 | alvwil | Should I install getdebi? |
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| 06:22.34 | alvwil | Looks like I'll need this to install .deb files |
| 06:22.51 | Gokee2 | alvwil, What is that? I don't even see that as a package with apt-get... |
| 06:23.06 | themill | alvwil: you already have apt installed, you don't need to install .deb files manually |
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| 06:23.16 | themill | (and if you really do, you have dpkg) |
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| 06:25.24 | alvwil | sorry I meant gdebi |
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| 06:26.35 | alvwil | apologies for my typing, I'm trying to install Debian on my net book at the same time. |
| 06:27.10 | themill | if you want minimal then gdebi is definitely not needed... (even if you don't want minimal, gdebi isn't needed...) |
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| 06:28.06 | Gokee2 | has never used it... Looks like something that came over from Ubuntu |
| 06:28.12 | alvwil | themill: thanks for letting me know. I saw it on this minimal xfce guide. |
| 06:28.32 | alvwil | maybe it's used for playdeb etc |
| 06:29.10 | boldfilter | Is ubuntu becoming unpopular? |
| 06:29.18 | alvwil | I never used the terminal so much in my life. It's kind of empowering and overwhelming at the same time. |
| 06:29.27 | freax | you're in #debian, so yes |
| 06:29.28 | alvwil | boldfilter: in a word, yes. |
| 06:30.26 | boldfilter | Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so |
| 06:31.05 | alvwil | boldfilter: I just came over from Xubuntu because I found it very bloated for an Xfce install |
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| 06:31.51 | boldfilter | That's the direction nowadays |
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| 06:34.53 | nonconvergent | That's the trade off and the primary role of a distro. You either provide everything everyone could possibly need out of the box, or as little as possible in the name of space, speed, and efficieny, along with the means to get what you need (and only what you need). |
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| 06:36.33 | nonconvergent | Example: The meta packages for xorg that pull in all the display drivers. You're only going to need one of them, but the default behavior is to bring in them all and automatically load the right one. They're small so no one notices. |
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| 06:36.51 | nonconvergent | Or at least, anyone who does doesn't mind. |
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| 06:37.39 | boldfilter | Makes sense |
| 06:37.48 | Ritzton | Hello, Hola, Bonjour |
| 06:38.01 | nonconvergent | Bienvenue. |
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| 06:39.19 | boldfilter | Well, I guess it's good to be open minded and try different distros anyhow |
| 06:39.34 | beepie | lol |
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| 06:39.46 | beepie | boldfilter, #linux |
| 06:40.02 | nonconvergent | Not really. |
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| 06:40.34 | nonconvergent | It may be the criteria most people just a distro on, but for a power user, it's a trival thing. |
| 06:42.40 | beepie | what's the syntax doc for wnpp ? |
| 06:42.53 | beepie | (just wnpp in the subject field?) |
| 06:43.32 | themill | beepie: if you "reportbug wnpp" reportbug will step you through what is required. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 06:44.11 | nonconvergent | What you should care about is the means by which the distribution gets you your software (in out case, the APT package management system), the stability and currentness of those packages (somewhat mutually exclusive), a minimal time between the release of a security bug fix and its inclusion in the packages (the one time you always want to be bleeding edge...provided it doesn't make things worse), and a few other concerns... |
| 06:45.06 | nonconvergent | ...specific to each user, usually regarding how easy it is for them to deviate from the catchall norm of the distribution. |
| 06:45.32 | boldfilter | I just don't want the desktop to feel like it was designed by idiots |
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| 06:45.49 | nonconvergent | You mean you don't want a GUI that you subjectively do not like. |
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| 06:46.25 | no_gravity | Good Morning! |
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| 06:47.06 | no_gravity | Trying Debian 7... toggling through open windows with alt+tab does not work anymore. Is there a new key combo for that? |
| 06:47.19 | nonconvergent | no_gravity: Gnome? |
| 06:47.49 | no_gravity | nonconvergent: yes. everything is the default. |
| 06:47.56 | nonconvergent | no_gravity: Look at the current docs for htat version of Gnome. I don't use it so I couldn't say for certain. |
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| 06:48.59 | tr3buchet | howdy guys |
| 06:49.25 | tr3buchet | cdimage.debian.org appears to be down. am i doing something wrong? |
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| 06:53.03 | beepie | themill, if it doesn't show up eventually on the wnpp list (rfp), then I suppose i had some bad syntax in the email? (currently not using the reportbug tool) |
| 06:53.31 | themill | tr3buchet: yeah, doesn't look happy. There's a reasonable selection of mirrors http://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/ |
| 06:54.36 | themill | tr3buchet: err http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors rather |
| 06:55.25 | themill | beepie: the bts takes a while to receive, process and display messages. You should receive a reply (and you really should use reportbug) |
| 06:55.47 | tr3buchet | themill: thanks! my ignorance is making it difficult to find the daily-build on a mirror however.. |
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| 06:56.25 | tr3buchet | was attempting to get to: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:57.06 | beepie | themill, reportbug i use but it's problematic when I'm not on a debian system.. (using multi distros on different machines) |
| 06:57.12 | themill | tr3buchet: any reason not to just use the wheezy installer? I don't think it has changed much if at all. |
| 06:57.20 | beepie | (rfp of course :) |
| 06:57.28 | themill | beepie: well if you're packaging for debian, you have a debian machine.... |
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| 06:57.44 | beepie | themill, ns .. but for rfp.. i don't mind typing out the message :) |
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| 06:58.39 | beepie | themill, you're going to like that rfp.. it has the word davinci in it |
| 06:58.52 | beepie | :) |
| 06:59.06 | themill | bug number? |
| 06:59.52 | beepie | bug number? no clue.. I used thunderbird ' RFP: davinciresolve -- Davinci Resolve software ' |
| 06:59.56 | tr3buchet | themill: again probably my ignorance, but i tried that before, updated sources to point to testing and `aptitude dist-upgrade`. things didn't go so well.. |
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| 07:00.12 | beepie | tr3buchet, ah testing.. |
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| 07:00.22 | beepie | btw who came up with the word 'jessie' ? |
| 07:00.36 | nonconvergent | pixar. |
| 07:00.37 | themill | tr3buchet: just after the release, testing is often a minefield. |
| 07:00.52 | tr3buchet | themill: yeah i remember this from a couple of years ago |
| 07:01.19 | tr3buchet | themill: what's the best way to navigate? download a wheezy, roll with it for a few months, then update sources and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 07:01.53 | themill | yeah |
| 07:02.37 | tr3buchet | themill: and if i happen to have machine already pointed at testing, should i just not upgrade those for a while? |
| 07:03.35 | themill | tr3buchet: that's not always a sustainable position, but you can try |
| 07:03.46 | tr3buchet | :/ |
| 07:03.50 | tr3buchet | hrmm. |
| 07:04.37 | tr3buchet | so basically.. when a new release happens, it's best to just wipe and start over again? |
| 07:04.56 | themill | not at all |
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| 07:06.21 | tr3buchet | well, i mean that from a running testing perspective. sounds like stable has the kinks worked out |
| 07:06.34 | tr3buchet | i need newer packages!! :( |
| 07:06.48 | sawjig | you can use multiple repos |
| 07:07.14 | nonconvergent | ~frankendebian |
| 07:07.15 | sawjig | Pinning specific packages you want to testing/unstable |
| 07:07.29 | nonconvergent | dpkg: frankendebian |
| 07:07.29 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 07:07.48 | tr3buchet | i tried that before, probably erroneously, but i ended up with all sorta stuff in bad states |
| 07:08.02 | tr3buchet | exactly |
| 07:08.20 | sawjig | nonconvergent, installing a couple things from unstable or experimental doesn't make a system that bad. |
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| 07:08.32 | sawjig | tr3buchet, depends on what packages ofc |
| 07:08.51 | themill | sawjig: it does if you're wanting to run stable. |
| 07:09.13 | sawjig | themill, so download and compile things from source I guess. |
| 07:09.14 | tr3buchet | agree |
| 07:09.25 | nonconvergent | sawjig: That's just as bad. |
| 07:09.35 | tr3buchet | testing was a pretty good mix of up to date, and mostly stable, for a development system |
| 07:09.39 | tr3buchet | is why i run it |
| 07:09.40 | themill | sawjig: yes, we have backports.debian.org fr that or you can make your own |
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| 07:10.02 | sawjig | nonconvergent, not following how it's a problem |
| 07:10.24 | nonconvergent | sawjig: It's a problem because it can't be supported. |
| 07:10.26 | sawjig | nonconvergent, mixing 'releases' or the release with testing and unstable can cause headaches because of screwing up dependencies and having conflicts |
| 07:10.26 | themill | tr3buchet: that's fine some of the time, but remember that testing is there primarily for the production of the next debian release. It needs users to use it to help shake out the bugs, but at this end of the release cycle, there's all manner of crap hitting it in a rush |
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| 07:10.49 | sawjig | nonconvergent, o.O |
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| 07:11.16 | nonconvergent | It's never a problem if everything works. But you can't garauntee that it will. |
| 07:11.30 | alvwil | themill: Hey I'm back. I just finished installing xorg and xfce4. However when I rebooted the system I came back tot he console screen again? have I missed something? |
| 07:11.34 | sawjig | tr3buchet, I usually tell people to just run unstable if they're not going to run stable because testing doesn't get updates very quickly... |
| 07:11.44 | tr3buchet | themill: i'm happy to find and report bugs. |
| 07:11.45 | themill | (you can pretty much guarantee that it won't and that you'll end up having to upgrade more and more packages until you just end up running unstable anyway) |
| 07:11.48 | sawjig | tr3buchet, and unstable and testing don't receive any security update... |
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| 07:12.19 | sawjig | it makes more sense to just run sid most of the time. |
| 07:12.33 | themill | sawjig: if you run unstable you get all the bugs that are otherwise kept out of testing with bug reports. |
| 07:12.49 | sawjig | themill, you also get all the fixes that take months and months to get into testing |
| 07:12.50 | nonconvergent | It makes more sense to run stable. |
| 07:13.06 | sawjig | nonconvergent, if you don't mind having decade old software sure ;) |
| 07:13.21 | themill | sawjig: there's not many of them; testing is also guaranteed to be in a consistent state whereas unstable is not. |
| 07:13.22 | sawjig | iceweasel 10, no thanks. |
| 07:13.53 | themill | sawjig: backports exist. stop trolling ktnxbye |
| 07:13.56 | nonconvergent | dpkg: snss |
| 07:13.56 | dpkg | nonconvergent: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 07:13.59 | nonconvergent | dpkg: sns |
| 07:13.59 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 07:14.10 | sawjig | themill, I'm not sure how it's trolling. kthnx |
| 07:14.23 | tr3buchet | the consistent state of testing, makes it worth waiting a month or two for updates |
| 07:14.32 | tr3buchet | likewise i'm not running arch.. |
| 07:14.56 | sawjig | Yes, and when things break they stay broken for two months |
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| 07:15.19 | themill | *sigh* |
| 07:15.21 | tr3buchet | sawjig: so why not roll back to previous working package, and wait two months to upgrade? |
| 07:15.24 | nonconvergent | tr3buchet: it's not that consistent. Wheezy's fairly up to date. Everything in it now was in testing prior to the freeze, plus security updates. |
| 07:15.37 | tr3buchet | nonconvergent: good point |
| 07:15.59 | nonconvergent | It basically looks like a snapshot of testing from November (I think). It will continue to look like for its lifecycle. THAT is what makes it stable. |
| 07:16.22 | tr3buchet | i like stable, but new newer versions of a few packages. |
| 07:16.27 | tr3buchet | sometimes those packages aren't in backports |
| 07:16.28 | themill | nonconvergent: you can guarantee that package dependencies are in a consistent state in testing (with the very very rare exception of the release team forcing a transition). You can pretty much guarantee that large slabs of unstable are not even installable on any given day. |
| 07:16.29 | nonconvergent | It works as well, if not better to all the release work, than testing did by the time of the freeze. |
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| 07:17.53 | no_gravity | In Debian 7, where are the keyboards settings? Where I can tell it to use CAPS as a second ESCAPE? |
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| 07:19.21 | nonconvergent | I say this as someone who often goes and grabs new sources, particularly haskell stuff, and builds from scratch. If you don't need it and aren't willing to fix things that go wrong and write bug reports, run stable. If you NEED something because you NEED a new feature, look for a backport or make your own. |
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| 07:20.08 | tr3buchet | nonconvergent: you mean, make your own backport? |
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| 07:20.29 | themill | tr3buchet: yes, depending on the package this can be really easy; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:20.36 | nonconvergent | tr3buchet: Yup. |
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| 07:20.58 | tr3buchet | interesting. i like the idea of this. |
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| 07:21.18 | tr3buchet | as long as the packages stay managed by the package manager i'm happy |
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| 07:22.38 | themill | tr3buchet: it's not without its problems (/msg dpkg backport caveat) but it's a better result than a lot of alternatives |
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| 07:23.01 | no_gravity | In Debian 7, my terminal BEEPS whenever i hit a wrong key, like backspace when im already on the left. Where do I turn that off? |
| 07:23.37 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: you might just want to turn off terminal bell in the terminal settings |
| 07:24.36 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: thanks, that worked! |
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| 07:24.50 | alvwil | If I install xfce4 does it install the core system applications such as thunar, xterm ect |
| 07:25.11 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: in case you were wanting a less annoying notification, try the visual bell setting. |
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| 07:26.19 | terinjokes | i'm encountering some issues booting my two-gfx system with KMS. i disabled i915 via /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf, and now nouveau is loading, except X still doesn't start (can't find any screens) |
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| 07:29.05 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: dont need a bell. been living without it for many years now. |
| 07:29.28 | no_gravity | There is no list of open windows in Debian 7? |
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| 07:30.02 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: depends on your desktop environment |
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| 07:30.15 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: everything is the default. i did not customize anything. |
| 07:30.39 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: wish i could help, can't stand the direction gnome went, i run cinnamon instead. |
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| 07:30.54 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: its a strange feeling to look at the screen and have no indication which windows i have open. |
| 07:31.12 | tr3buchet | actually, you can also try setting your session to "gnome classic" at the login screen |
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| 07:31.59 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: yes. but im trying out whats new in D7 so im sticking with the defaults for a while. |
| 07:32.30 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: sounds like it's working out well so far ;) |
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| 07:33.03 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: :) |
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| 07:33.54 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: i tried something similar a few months back, did the same thing with buntu, linux mint debian edition, fedora, etc |
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| 07:34.26 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: same situation here. also tried the ones you mention. |
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| 07:34.59 | tr3buchet | i couldn't get fedora to run correctly under virtualbox to save my life |
| 07:35.45 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: i dont like unity and ubuntus new ecommerce approach. fedora.. i cant really remember why i deinstalled it. mint LMDE doesnt have "set up encrypted partitions in the installer" and the font rendering looked worse then in debian. |
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| 07:36.46 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: damn really? i thought the only thing lmde had going for it was font config... |
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| 07:36.59 | tr3buchet | well that and cinnamon by default |
| 07:37.19 | calamity | Hey all, has anyone here managed to install debian on the net gear stora? |
| 07:37.45 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: for example when i typte www.something in the browser, lmde always had the dot in strange positions. this also happens with debian but not as extreme as with lmde. |
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| 07:38.42 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: the big thing in mint lmde for me is device drivers. it had my wifi working out of the box. i still have to configure wifi on this new debian 7. |
| 07:38.54 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: you ahve your font hinting to slight? |
| 07:39.09 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: i did not change any font settings. |
| 07:39.18 | tr3buchet | have a go at that |
| 07:39.33 | tr3buchet | i set hinting to slight, and antialiasing to Rgba |
| 07:39.35 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: why would debian ship with suboptimal settings for the fonts? |
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| 07:39.44 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: oh who knows..? |
| 07:39.48 | Galaxy | Ciao |
| 07:39.54 | Galaxy | !list |
| 07:39.55 | dpkg | galaxy: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 07:40.18 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: where is that setting? |
| 07:40.33 | tr3buchet | i found it in advanced settings -> Fonts |
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| 07:41.39 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: interesting. now you gave me something to play with :) |
| 07:41.59 | tr3buchet | there was another setting that helped chrome specifically |
| 07:42.01 | tr3buchet | trying to find it |
| 07:42.22 | tr3buchet | my laptop is a macbook retina |
| 07:42.36 | tr3buchet | and after using that, the fonts on debian look atrocious |
| 07:42.40 | tr3buchet | something had to be done |
| 07:42.41 | ksuhku | no_gravity, I hear font rendering is taxing on the hardware and the defaults are more towards older hardware |
| 07:43.17 | no_gravity | ksuhku: "slight" is heavier on the hardware then "medium"? |
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| 07:44.59 | ksuhku | now that sounds suspicious |
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| 07:45.35 | no_gravity | ksuhku: it was a question. |
| 07:45.52 | ksuhku | no_gravity, I don't know the answer, could be |
| 07:45.55 | no_gravity | ksuhku: because d7 ships with "medium" and tr3buchet suggested to change it to "slight" for better rendering. |
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| 07:46.23 | no_gravity | i dont see that setting having an impact on the url-bar in iceweasel though. |
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| 07:46.55 | ksuhku | can you make a screenshotty of the issue? |
| 07:47.27 | no_gravity | ksuhku: right now it looks good. |
| 07:47.33 | ksuhku | sweet |
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| 07:51.20 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: found it |
| 07:51.23 | tr3buchet | http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts#Subpixel-hinting_and_Font-smoothing |
| 07:51.48 | tr3buchet | creating ~/.fonts.conf with those contents had the single greatest effect on chrome |
| 07:51.57 | tr3buchet | completely changes the way it looks |
| 07:54.35 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: with ~ you mean the home directory of the user that starts gnome? |
| 07:54.57 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: correct |
| 07:55.15 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: and then restart gnome? |
| 07:55.20 | tr3buchet | yup |
| 07:55.33 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: how? log out? reboot? |
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| 07:55.54 | tr3buchet | either of those should work fine |
| 07:56.12 | no_gravity | ok, let me make a screenshot first so i can compare it afterwards... |
| 07:56.55 | no_gravity | uhm... hitting print made "kwwwaaaclick!" and thats it. where is my screenshot? |
| 07:57.05 | tr3buchet | no idea |
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| 07:57.22 | tr3buchet | i use the screenshot utility under accessories which asks you for the location |
| 07:57.37 | jiohdi | usually under user acct |
| 07:57.48 | jiohdi | just in the main |
| 07:58.05 | jiohdi | atleast that is how gnome-screenshot does it |
| 07:58.24 | jiohdi | sometimes in picture |
| 07:58.30 | jiohdi | s |
| 07:58.40 | no_gravity | jiohdi: "find /home/ -name *screen*" comes back empty |
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| 07:59.20 | no_gravity | ah, "find /home/ -name *Screen*" finds it |
| 07:59.48 | no_gravity | Its in ~/Pictures/ |
| 07:59.49 | jiohdi | is should be -name "*screen*" |
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| 08:00.03 | no_gravity | ok, loggint out... |
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| 08:03.47 | no_gravity | re |
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| 08:04.21 | no_gravity | the fonts changed indeed |
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| 08:04.31 | tr3buchet | :D |
| 08:04.37 | tr3buchet | see how amazingly bad it was before? |
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| 08:05.10 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: yes, fonts on websites look better now. |
| 08:05.25 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: other fonts seem not to have been impacted as far as i can see. |
| 08:05.44 | tr3buchet | those should have been updated by setting your hinting to slight beforehand |
| 08:05.55 | tr3buchet | chrome doesn't.. care.. about that setting it seems like |
| 08:06.11 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: oh, now i see that other fonts *did* change. also for the better. |
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| 08:06.28 | no_gravity | crazy. |
| 08:06.42 | jiohdi | anyone have problems with pulse audio sounding tinny? |
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| 08:06.54 | jiohdi | or otherwise distorted |
| 08:07.02 | no_gravity | tr3buchet: thanks for the tip! |
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| 08:07.26 | jiohdi | is there a better audio for Deb? |
| 08:07.26 | tr3buchet | no_gravity: no problem |
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| 08:38.07 | no_gravity | What is the preferred way to get wifi working in Debian 7? Adding "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" to sources.list? |
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| 08:39.07 | jaknyn | After making a live USB, they have weird name like "Debian (version)" how do I remove these names? |
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| 08:41.47 | themill | no_gravity: that's probably the first step, but it would help to know what wifi hardware you actually have |
| 08:42.06 | no_gravity | themill: how do i find out? |
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| 08:49.23 | ksuhku | jiohdi, that can happen if your PCM volume is very low but MASTER is very high or vice versa |
| 08:49.40 | ksuhku | to me pulse is nothing but trouble |
| 08:50.37 | jiohdi | pcm volume? |
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| 08:50.44 | jiohdi | is there something better? |
| 08:50.51 | ksuhku | see alsamixer |
| 08:51.34 | jiohdi | is alsamixer for pulse or some other system? |
| 08:51.39 | ksuhku | removing pulse leaves you with base ALSA which is perfect for me |
| 08:51.44 | ksuhku | alsamixer is for alsa |
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| 08:51.50 | ksuhku | which is below pulse |
| 08:52.14 | jiohdi | I will try |
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| 08:54.25 | sonofzeus | Hi |
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| 08:54.51 | sonofzeus | Does anyone here use the debian forums(forums.debian.net) just asking |
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| 08:55.23 | snikker | i've run "sudo setfacl -d -R -m g:green-group:rwx /path/to/dir1", my user is into secondary group "green-group", but i'm unable to write into "dir1". Can you help me? |
| 08:57.06 | jiohdi | snikker, if you open in a file manager, look at the properties/permissions and see what it says for dir1 |
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| 09:00.23 | snikker | jiohdi: from command line say: "drwxr-xr-x+ 3 foo foo 4096 May 26 09:46 dir1" |
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| 10:01.37 | Walex2 | snikker: use 'getfacl -a -e |
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| 10:03.39 | Walex2 | snikker: also note that your user needs to have permissions on "/path/to" as well |
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| 10:10.25 | snikker | Walex2: http://pastebin.com/ACqGfEPu |
| 10:10.38 | jdoles | How do I display what package caused another package to be installed? |
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| 10:11.13 | blubberdiblub | jdoles, aptitude why packagename |
| 10:11.38 | snikker | Walex2: in the firs one i don't have "group:green-group:rwx" |
| 10:12.16 | snikker | Walex2: running "sudo setfacl -d -R -m g:green-group:rwx /path/to/dir1" doesn't help |
| 10:12.19 | jdoles | blubberdiblub: thanks |
| 10:12.45 | blubberdiblub | jdoles, you're welcome |
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| 10:17.18 | jiohdi | I tried to remove pulseaudio and it took cairo-dock with it, why? |
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| 10:18.01 | jdoles | jiohdi: you can likely also just disable pulseaudio instead of removing it. |
| 10:18.10 | jiohdi | how? |
| 10:18.52 | jdoles | jiohdi: are you really sure you want to remove pulseaudio or is it just that you didn't manage to configure it correctly? |
| 10:19.29 | jdoles | jiohdi: I think there is no use case anymore left which warrants completely removing pulseaudio. |
| 10:20.04 | jiohdi | someone told me that the tinny distortion was pusle and alsa would work better without it |
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| 10:20.43 | blubberdiblub | pulseaudio introduces additional latency, which might be undesirable in some cases |
| 10:20.55 | jdoles | jiohdi: are you an audio engineer? |
| 10:21.11 | jdoles | jiohdi: even if you were, you would use jackd perhaps even with pulseaudio. |
| 10:21.13 | jiohdi | no, but I cannot hear what people are saying over google-talk |
| 10:21.39 | jdoles | jiohdi: I use Skype + PulseAudio + ALSA and it works fine. |
| 10:21.54 | jdoles | jiohdi: by that I mean that it will unlikely solve your problem. |
| 10:21.58 | jiohdi | that does not change my situation |
| 10:22.14 | jiohdi | sometimes it clears up, lately not so much |
| 10:22.29 | jdoles | jiohdi: that sounds more related to bandwidth latency. |
| 10:22.42 | jiohdi | what could fix that? |
| 10:22.52 | jdoles | jiohdi: all I can say is that the chance of removing PulseAudio solving your problem is close to zero. |
| 10:23.29 | jdoles | jiohdi: you should first establish that it is not a GTalk problem. |
| 10:23.48 | jdoles | jiohdi: so, install Skype or something else with voice over internet, and see what happens. |
| 10:24.02 | jiohdi | skype has the same problem |
| 10:24.11 | jdoles | jiohdi: what kind of connection do you have? |
| 10:24.15 | jiohdi | fios |
| 10:24.32 | jdoles | Is that fiber over ...? |
| 10:24.34 | jiohdi | 15Mbs |
| 10:24.41 | h00ked | how i can get access to remote desktop from win7? i tried set up it in wheezy, but i cant access |
| 10:24.43 | jiohdi | yes fiber |
| 10:24.52 | jdoles | jiohdi: and what kind of ping do you get? |
| 10:24.57 | mumpitzel | h00ked: run vino |
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| 10:25.06 | jiohdi | what should I ping? |
| 10:25.10 | jdoles | jiohdi: I expect very low, but there might be other people on your network, etc. |
| 10:25.17 | jdoles | jiohdi: google.com would do fine. |
| 10:25.20 | jiohdi | fios is not shared |
| 10:25.43 | jdoles | jiohdi: just post the number. |
| 10:26.09 | jiohdi | 14.1 ms |
| 10:26.15 | jdoles | jiohdi: ok, so your network is fine. |
| 10:26.27 | jdoles | jiohdi: now, what audiochip do you have? |
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| 10:26.45 | jiohdi | not sure, its a lowly e-machine |
| 10:27.14 | jiohdi | probably nvidia |
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| 10:27.23 | jdoles | jiohdi: even machines of over a decade old were fine with audio. |
| 10:27.23 | mumpitzel | use lspci then |
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| 10:28.03 | jiohdi | yup Nvidia mpc73 |
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| 10:29.21 | timotei | Hello. I made a simple startup script in /etc/init.d which starts screen & irssi (http://pastebin.com/yWKfAY4W). |
| 10:29.25 | jdoles | jiohdi: perhaps the people you are talking to have a bad network? |
| 10:29.35 | timotei | The problem is that it won't start the bash with my user's .bashrc file. |
| 10:29.57 | timotei | For example, I've defined some aliases in ~/.bashrc, yet they are not recognized. |
| 10:30.03 | jiohdi | I know nvidia video has issues, does the audio need a special driver? |
| 10:30.05 | jdoles | jiohdi: how much latency are we talking about? |
| 10:30.23 | jdoles | jiohdi: is it stuttering, etc.? |
| 10:30.35 | timotei | Also, I see that a new screen page has the command prompt like this: `$` instead of `pi@hostname ~ $` |
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| 10:30.45 | jiohdi | jdoles, it is very distorted and tinny, breaks up at times to the point of uselessness |
| 10:31.09 | timotei | I think it started just 'sh' and not 'bash' for some reason (maybe because it doesn't execute while being logged in?) |
| 10:31.11 | jdoles | jiohdi: and you can play e.g. an mp3 file just fine? |
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| 10:31.29 | h00ked | mumpitzel: yes i tried this. but when i try to connect on win7 its says "remote pc is offline" |
| 10:31.30 | jdoles | jiohdi: how much is your CPU usage while doing this? |
| 10:31.36 | jdoles | jiohdi: this being talking to people? |
| 10:31.41 | jiohdi | youtube is fine |
| 10:32.36 | jdoles | jiohdi: if your CPU usage is not hitting a full core, and your network is fine, and you can play Youtube videos, I'd blame the other side, I suppose. |
| 10:32.42 | jiohdi | vlc avi playback is fine |
| 10:33.28 | jdoles | jiohdi: http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 10:33.37 | jiohdi | at the moment the playback for skype is fine too |
| 10:33.40 | jdoles | jiohdi: the debian instructions are likely the same. |
| 10:33.49 | jdoles | jiohdi: Skype has a testing service. |
| 10:33.53 | nonconvergent | I've had VLC and zombie processes and 100% cpu usage. |
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| 10:33.57 | jiohdi | yes, its ok at the moment |
| 10:34.12 | nonconvergent | s/had/had issues/ |
| 10:34.28 | jiohdi | I have seen multiple pulses in Htop before, perhaps that was the problem |
| 10:34.47 | jdoles | jiohdi: ok, so then my diagnosis is that there is no problem on your side or perhaps there was one. Just use that list of 4 items to determine next time whether there is a problem or not. |
| 10:34.55 | nonconvergent | Are you running pulse as a service or as a per-user daemon? |
| 10:35.08 | jiohdi | per user it said in the install |
| 10:35.31 | jdoles | jiohdi: it is useful to run some widget showing CPU usage. |
| 10:35.40 | nonconvergent | As what said? |
| 10:35.44 | jiohdi | I have htop |
| 10:36.23 | jdoles | nonconvergent: his answer is fine. |
| 10:36.47 | nonconvergent | I don't know what he's talking about |
| 10:36.53 | nonconvergent | I'm going to sleep anwyay. |
| 10:37.33 | jdoles | I have a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99synaptic, but I don't want it to ever appear back. |
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| 10:37.38 | jdoles | How can I make sure of that? |
| 10:37.42 | nonconvergent | Pulse works really well at combining audio sources when properly configured. Doing that's hard sometimes. If you don't need it though, a lot of issue go away but losing it. |
| 10:38.09 | nonconvergent | s/but/by |
| 10:38.29 | nonconvergent | jdoles: can it be empty? |
| 10:38.40 | jdoles | nonconvergent: probably. |
| 10:39.05 | jdoles | nonconvergent: I'd prefer a solution where it just doesn't exist and doesn't give conflicts on upgrade.s |
| 10:39.54 | jdoles | I don't know who thought it was a good idea to provide such a file, but it is a really bad idea. |
| 10:39.57 | nonconvergent | delete it, then touch it, then make it unreadable. |
| 10:40.13 | nonconvergent | ...mind you, I'm just guessing. |
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| 10:40.49 | jiohdi | but why on earth would removing pulse take cairo-dock with it? |
| 10:41.04 | jdoles | jiohdi: it is linked to it when it was compiled. |
| 10:41.12 | jdoles | jiohdi: an educated guess. |
| 10:41.22 | jdoles | jiohdi: meaning that it wouldn't start if you didn' |
| 10:41.24 | jdoles | t have it. |
| 10:41.33 | jdoles | jiohdi: the package manager just enforces that. |
| 10:41.44 | jiohdi | its weird that they are connected |
| 10:41.55 | nonconvergent | root wouldn't care about the user/group/other permission on it anyway, so anything run with root permissions would still be able to alter it. |
| 10:41.56 | jdoles | jiohdi: no, because cairo makes sound too. |
| 10:42.36 | jdoles | jiohdi: if it was dynamically linked via dlopen, there would be no such problem. |
| 10:43.02 | jdoles | jiohdi: on a binary distro you will have such 'problems'. |
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| 10:43.22 | jdoles | jiohdi: but you can compile your own version on Debian which does not link to PA, likely. |
| 10:43.39 | jdoles | jiohdi: you'd just have no audio then. |
| 10:43.42 | jiohdi | thats above my paygrade |
| 10:43.51 | ksuhku | lol |
| 10:43.56 | jdoles | jiohdi: it's sunday. |
| 10:44.13 | jiohdi | not sure the relevance but yes it is |
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| 10:44.36 | jdoles | Most people don't get paid on Sundays. |
| 10:45.05 | jiohdi | that used to be the case when blue laws existed but that was like 10+ years ago |
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| 10:50.26 | ksuhku | clear liquor, cloudy eyes |
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| 10:52.50 | timotei | So, the question is: can't I specify the init script to start a bash configured for a specified user? |
| 10:53.02 | timotei | To get the same 'experience' as when I start a new bash from a logged in user? |
| 10:53.35 | mumpitzel | timotei: sudo, su have both manpages |
| 10:53.40 | ksuhku | :) |
| 10:53.55 | ksuhku | the man page experience |
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| 10:56.57 | timotei | mumpitzel: Thanks! It helped :D |
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| 11:11.40 | dimmur | Hello everyone. I have just downloaded latest debian-netinstall stable. It was burned on cd and tested on usb pendrive as well - in both cases i get "linux unrecognized command" and "initramfs unrecognized command" when i try to boot |
| 11:12.11 | jiohdi | I set up a vnc server on machine 1. I opened viewer on machine 2 got a blank page... I opened a terminal on 1 via 2, no problem... but when I look at the 1 screen its not there... but htop confirms I am in the right machine, is vnc making its own desktop independent of whats happening on 1's desktop? |
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| 11:13.27 | jiohdi_ | this is from machine 1 via machine 2 on an xchat that I cannot see on machine 1 but is running on 1 somewhere |
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| 11:13.59 | jiohdi | isn't vnc supposed to bring you to the actual x11 screen on machine 1? |
| 11:14.28 | jdoles | mumpitzel: do you know how I can make sure that 99synaptic is removed and *never* reinstalled again? |
| 11:14.54 | jdoles | mumpitzel: for example, some hook to run something after installing a particular package which would delete the file would work. |
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| 11:17.28 | mumpitzel | jdoles: there are hooks, e.g. localepurge runs after every installation. I dunno how it works however, but you could look at its sources |
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| 11:36.21 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Hey guys i get a weird error when i want to swapon my swapfile input-/output error |
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| 11:36.42 | Kruemmel_m0nster | What could it be? |
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| 11:44.03 | nkuttler | Kruemmel_m0nster: bad hardware |
| 11:45.18 | Kruemmel_m0nster | nkuttler: is there a way to test it? |
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| 11:45.48 | nkuttler | Kruemmel_m0nster: well hd vendors usually have diagnostic tools |
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| 11:45.55 | nkuttler | Kruemmel_m0nster: if it's something else, not sure |
| 11:47.08 | nkuttler | Kruemmel_m0nster: oh, you can run badblocks |
| 11:47.24 | Kruemmel_m0nster | nkuttler: what do you mean by that? |
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| 11:50.26 | Kruemmel_m0nster | nkuttler: doh sorry im so dumb |
| 11:50.39 | Kruemmel_m0nster | nkuttler: thank you very much! |
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| 11:53.34 | jdoles | When I do apt-get install foo, the recommends are installed too. How can I see the reason for it installing recommends? |
| 11:53.54 | jdoles | rgrep Rec in /etc/apt does not return a result. |
| 11:54.42 | jdoles | (I don't need to hear --no-install-recommends) |
| 11:54.50 | Trewas | it install recommends by default, and have done so for a long time |
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| 11:56.29 | jdoles | How can I combine socklog and rsyslog? |
| 11:56.47 | jdoles | Because foo was socklog and socklog breaks rsyslog without any warning. |
| 11:57.33 | jdoles | socklog-run provides a system-log-daemon too. |
| 11:58.04 | jdoles | When you do apt-get install socklog the recommends give you socklog-run, which in turn breaks rsyslog. |
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| 12:01.36 | DelphiWorld | hi everyone, |
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| 12:02.57 | DelphiWorld | can please someone give me a idea on how to rename any file starting with a numerical value to "C+x" wher x is a incrumenting numerical value? |
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| 12:04.36 | ksuhku | i guess a solution might contain ls, grep and a loop |
| 12:04.56 | DelphiWorld | ksk: sadly i'm scriptless |
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| 12:05.51 | ksuhku | DelphiWorld, in that case do apt-cache search renamer and check out those packages |
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| 12:15.30 | boudiccas | everytime i reboot i have to unplug and plug back in again all my usb devices [keyboard, mouse, 3 external drives], how can i get usb-hotplug back and working properly again please? |
| 12:16.19 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: what did you do to lose it? |
| 12:16.46 | boudiccas | dunno, it just seems to have happenmed over time |
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| 12:18.25 | mumpitzel | does your keyboard work in BIOS? does it work when you boot to single user mode? does it work when you boot to a console? does it work when you boot to X? and then check the logfiles for each of these steps if available |
| 12:19.31 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, dunno, dunno, dunno, dunno, how to achieve all these steps? |
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| 12:20.09 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, i can boot into bios, np, but single user mode and consoles are new to me |
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| 12:20.59 | mumpitzel | single user mode = recovery mode. console = when there is no display manager started (/msg dpkg nodm) |
| 12:21.16 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, k, thanks |
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| 12:30.47 | Christof1522 | anyone fully using command line? |
| 12:30.53 | Christof1522 | as opposed to xwindows |
| 12:31.14 | dwts | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJhurZ0hqu4 |
| 12:31.15 | daemonkeeper | huh? |
| 12:31.19 | dwts | :) |
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| 12:31.43 | Christof1522 | using just command line instead of say gnome or kde or xfce |
| 12:31.53 | Christof1522 | surely people must |
| 12:31.59 | daemonkeeper | How is that a question. Of course many people do. |
| 12:32.07 | Christof1522 | do you? |
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| 12:32.23 | daemonkeeper | (Almost) everyone managing servers dos. |
| 12:32.25 | daemonkeeper | *does |
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| 12:32.40 | Christof1522 | i meant for daily use |
| 12:32.50 | daemonkeeper | Well, that's my daily work? |
| 12:33.03 | abrotman | Christof1522: what's the real question? |
| 12:33.10 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: are they paranoid or something that they cannot use a DE? |
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| 12:33.20 | abrotman | dwts: that's not appropriate here, thank you |
| 12:33.40 | abrotman | jdoles: no, it's common sense |
| 12:33.44 | jdoles | Christof1522: do you mean no X too? |
| 12:33.46 | daemonkeeper | jdoles: It's about comfort. Why would use a desktop on a server you control headless anyway? |
| 12:34.28 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: I am talking about controlling the server remotely. |
| 12:34.38 | moof2 | Christof1522, of course :P what did you expect? the command line is far more powerful than limited gui programs. having said that... in many cases the gui is just enough flexibility to accomplish its purpose. |
| 12:34.42 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: on a headless server you would not install a DE. |
| 12:34.52 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: unless you are using it for special purposes. |
| 12:34.53 | Christof1522 | I just mean command line, no X, just the command line itself |
| 12:34.57 | abrotman | jdoles: that's what they're both saying .. |
| 12:35.01 | abrotman | Christof1522: what's your real question? |
| 12:35.07 | moof2 | also as mentioned, servers are often run using ssh and command line |
| 12:35.21 | daemonkeeper | jdoles: I don't get your point. |
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| 12:35.31 | Christof1522 | Just wondering about whether people use it or not, because I'm trying to get into it, wondered whether I was the only one |
| 12:35.36 | moof2 | Christof1522, asked and answered: of course. |
| 12:35.41 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: so, when you are doing maintenance/development on a server, you are doing this without X? |
| 12:35.46 | abrotman | Christof1522: yes, of course people do that |
| 12:35.54 | abrotman | jdoles: everyone should be doing it that way |
| 12:35.55 | Christof1522 | good |
| 12:36.10 | Christof1522 | I like it, not only does it feel very retro, I find it uses much less battery |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | your server has a battery? |
| 12:36.22 | moof2 | Christof1522, can I ask you a few questions? |
| 12:36.30 | Christof1522 | certainly moof2 |
| 12:36.59 | Christof1522 | no abrotman this is for my laptop |
| 12:36.59 | ksuhku | it's not retro in any way |
| 12:37.01 | daemonkeeper | jdoles: Sure? |
| 12:37.12 | freax | why don't servers have batteries anyway |
| 12:37.16 | freax | would save on upses |
| 12:37.18 | sKeiths | every time i 'startx' and kde boots up, my mouse does not respond. i have to pull the usb mouse out then reinsert to get it working. any idea to why this is happening. it is in that state now if anything needs to be run. |
| 12:37.18 | moof2 | ok, when I read between the lines, I make up the story that you actually want to use command line... is there any truth to my story? |
| 12:37.22 | daemonkeeper | jdoles: I have NO, zero, niente use for X on a server? |
| 12:37.35 | abrotman | freax: some do internally for various bits, but generally, no, big/heavy/hot |
| 12:37.46 | moof2 | that was to Christof1522 |
| 12:37.54 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: I was not clear. I meant: no X on a server and no X on whatever system you are using to write the configuration which will be used on the server later on. |
| 12:38.16 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: I find using the X version of Emacs much more useful for example. |
| 12:38.33 | daemonkeeper | jdoles: I use KDE on my desktop. But I use vi + ssh on servers (only) |
| 12:38.34 | jdoles | daemonkeeper: I also like to use gestures, and high resolution graphics. |
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| 12:38.43 | abrotman | jdoles: so you author your httpd.conf on your desktop, then scp it to the server ? |
| 12:38.50 | Christof1522 | moof2 yes I do want to, it uses so many less resources, and Its basically a completely new experience, I feel like I'm learning when I use it. I've used GUIs for about 20 years..time for a change. For stuff like YOutube I can always startx, but for general use I can just use Cli with no issue |
| 12:39.03 | jdoles | abrotman: basically. |
| 12:39.06 | Christof1522 | i can even use facebook chat in cli! |
| 12:39.08 | abrotman | giggles |
| 12:39.31 | abrotman | jdoles: if that works for you, go ahead and do it that way |
| 12:39.40 | jdoles | abrotman: I don't use scp manually. |
| 12:39.49 | jdoles | abrotman: it's a very user-friendly setup. |
| 12:40.02 | jdoles | abrotman: so, I am not sure why you giggle. |
| 12:40.04 | abrotman | your users edit your httpd.conf? |
| 12:40.07 | moof2 | m.facebook.com is for mobile, I use it on my desktop because it needs no javascript |
| 12:40.12 | jdoles | abrotman: no, I am the user. |
| 12:40.17 | ksuhku | facebook is for lusers btw |
| 12:40.34 | abrotman | jdoles: sounds like you're the admin if you're altering the httpd.conf |
| 12:40.41 | jdoles | abrotman: I am both. |
| 12:40.42 | Christof1522 | moof2: in commandline you can download finch, if in x you use pidgin, it remembers you config and transfers it to cli, no setup required |
| 12:40.56 | jdoles | abrotman: the user of the system to make edits easy. |
| 12:41.00 | jdoles | abrotman: and the admin of the server. |
| 12:41.10 | abrotman | jdoles: your call, seems silly to me. Good luck |
| 12:41.48 | jdoles | abrotman: so, you manually have to do ssh foo && vi /etc/bar/a? |
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| 12:41.54 | moof2 | Christof1522, in fact I would -highly- recommend (first choosing and then) learning a command line shell, for all the reasons you give. |
| 12:41.58 | jdoles | abrotman: in Emacs you can just use tramp too. |
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| 12:42.07 | abrotman | jdoles: i don't manage just one server |
| 12:42.29 | Christof1522 | moof2: thank you, I intend to, can you recommend any good books? |
| 12:42.37 | jdoles | abrotman: so, you edit your puppet configuration or similar. |
| 12:42.42 | moof2 | learning the bash shell |
| 12:42.45 | jdoles | abrotman: still easier to do on a desktop system. |
| 12:42.52 | moof2 | that's an o'ra |
| 12:42.55 | abrotman | jdoles: disagree, good luck |
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| 12:43.16 | Christof1522 | thanks moof2 I'll havea look |
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| 12:43.33 | jdoles | abrotman: are you using some kind of high resolution framebuffer device? |
| 12:43.41 | moof2 | learning the unix operating system is more general and is a smaller book |
| 12:43.53 | jdoles | Because the 'default' vtty look awful. |
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| 12:44.03 | abrotman | jdoles: i am capable of using ssh and vi very well, i don't need a mouse to edit files |
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| 12:44.55 | jdoles | abrotman: I am capable of doing those things too. I also manage more than one server, btw. |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | jdoles: okay, you do it your way, i'll do it mine. Goodl uck |
| 12:45.23 | jdoles | abrotman: thank you, good luck to you too. |
| 12:45.35 | abrotman | has no idea wtf the point of that conversation was |
| 12:46.14 | Guest56094 | I'm trying to change default boot options of a live usb pendrive. Is it possible to remount installation media r/w on a live system? |
| 12:46.19 | jdoles | I have no idea why one would throw away 30 years of GUI development for no reason at all. |
| 12:46.21 | Guest56094 | sudo mount /lib/live/mount/medium -o remount,rw doesnt help |
| 12:46.48 | abrotman | is done talking to jdoles, it's not useful |
| 12:46.51 | Guest56094 | answer is mount: warning: /lib/live/mount/medium seems to be mounted read-only. |
| 12:46.55 | jdoles | If you are controlling a nuclear sub, then perhaps leaving out X is a good idea. |
| 12:46.55 | abrotman | Guest56094: which distro is this? |
| 12:46.57 | Christof1522 | jdoles: theres no throwing away, you can't not use the GUI |
| 12:47.05 | moof2 | Christof1522, there are a few plain-text editors, vim, emacs are big ones, nano is small and quick |
| 12:47.14 | Christof1522 | certain things are impossible without it |
| 12:47.17 | Guest56094 | debian 7.0 |
| 12:47.22 | abrotman | jdoles: if you want to keep talking abou tthis, we can continue in #debian-offtopic |
| 12:47.42 | abrotman | Guest56094: i'm going to guess it's on the USB drive as an ISO? |
| 12:47.44 | Christof1522 | moof2: I've developed a love for nano |
| 12:47.56 | mumpitzel | jdoles: for server administration a GUI is there to keep more xterms on one screen. NOT to have a prettier framebuffer (!!!) |
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| 12:48.07 | moof2 | good, nano will be less stressful on the battery |
| 12:48.40 | moof2 | a big big part of admining a server is editing and creating text filesw |
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| 12:49.01 | Guest56094 | abortman, sure |
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| 12:49.27 | abrotman | Guest56094: you can alter an ISO, but I'm not sure if you can alter that image once it's running |
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| 12:49.46 | Christof1522 | moof2: it really is, i've toyed with the command line, but I've been afraid of it! |
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| 12:50.24 | Guest56094 | So I probably need another usb stick to change this one's settings? |
| 12:50.38 | moof2 | do you want to deal with that fear? what kinds of things are you afraid of? |
| 12:51.16 | moof2 | I can suggest some safe divisions so that you can be safer |
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| 12:52.11 | ksuhku | Christof1522, you might be interested in this collection https://kmandla.wordpress.com/software/ |
| 12:52.15 | Christof1522 | moof2: I was just scared I would break the computer |
| 12:52.20 | moof2 | the shell can be fairly cryptic looking; you don't have to use the things that look cryptic |
| 12:52.25 | moof2 | ok. for that... |
| 12:52.48 | ksuhku | it's generally harder to break your computer than you think |
| 12:52.52 | moof2 | what you want to do is take a survey tour thru the shell thru a tutorial |
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| 12:52.55 | alistair | hey |
| 12:52.58 | ksuhku | usually what is needed is a hammer |
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| 12:53.37 | ksuhku | just backup the stuff you don't want to lose, the OS can be always reinstalled |
| 12:54.09 | Christof1522 | yeah thanks guys. I keep my home drive on a seperate partition anyway, so I'll only use the OS |
| 12:54.15 | alistair | wise |
| 12:54.22 | ksuhku | of course you can do e.g. a bad BIOS flash to brick it all but... |
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| 12:54.30 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, right, keyboard works in BIOS, and has to be replugged in for lightdm/gdm3, ditto mouse |
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| 12:54.52 | moof2 | well he has server functionality, which does mean server programs and configuration files, some of which applies to the server functionality... and could also mean additional data |
| 12:55.08 | psiklops | hi. Is it save to aptitude install grub-legacy (in that removing grub2-coom and grub-pc) ? |
| 12:55.25 | psiklops | Save=safe |
| 12:55.44 | udoprog | So I want to setup a debian repository for internal distribution of packages, the issue I am having is that the current way of updating lists sometimes gets the Release file from update #1 and the corresponding Packages file from update #2 (or signatures). I've heard a rumour that more recent versions of apt support sessions (and cookies) that could be used to solve this, does anyone know what this feature is |
| 12:55.45 | udoprog | named (if it exists)? |
| 12:56.22 | psiklops | meaning ... will i still be able to boot -coom=common |
| 12:56.25 | psiklops | :-) |
| 12:57.11 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: and in single user mode? |
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| 12:57.29 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, only after replugged in |
| 12:57.54 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: sounds like your kernel then. what kernel do you use? |
| 12:57.57 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, things stop working just before lightdm starts its gretter |
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| 12:58.17 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: that's not single user mode. that's X! |
| 12:58.31 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, stock wheezy 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 12:58.42 | mumpitzel | so does it in single user mode or not? |
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| 12:58.56 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, forgot to try it :( |
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| 13:00.17 | boudiccas | is there a newer kernel in wheezy-backports? i dont know how to query backports |
| 13:00.37 | abrotman | boudiccas: packages.debian.org |
| 13:01.06 | moof2 | if you have added backports to your sources.list, try apt-cache search (packagename terms) |
| 13:01.13 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 13:01.14 | moof2 | maybe linux-image |
| 13:01.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 13:01.17 | abrotman | boudiccas: but no, there isn't one |
| 13:01.36 | moof2 | forgot about that thing |
| 13:01.55 | judd | moof2: I'm not a thing, I'm a database! |
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| 13:02.22 | boudiccas | k-t, thanks abrotman |
| 13:02.27 | moof2 | ok miss thing :) |
| 13:02.43 | judd | slaps moof2 |
| 13:02.51 | boudiccas | abrotman, looks like i should maybve pull one down from sid |
| 13:03.02 | abrotman | boudiccas: we can't stop you from doing that, good luck |
| 13:03.28 | moof2 | boudiccas, maybe building one would make more sense |
| 13:03.42 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: what makes you think your problem will be solved with a new kernel? |
| 13:03.56 | moof2 | curious, what's that kernel have that you need? |
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| 13:04.18 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, you reckoned that the problem lies in the kernel, therefore if i used a newer kernel the problem might be resolved |
| 13:04.56 | moof2 | makes rude airplane-like noises in judd's general direction... |
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| 13:05.13 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: no. I gave you steps to narrow down where the problem occurs. it might be the kernel. but you still didn't do the test which would let you determine that. and from the other things you wrote, which might be true or not, it doesn't look likely |
| 13:05.13 | moof2 | and, you're not actually the database, you're a client :) |
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| 13:05.40 | moof2 | in any case, judd and udd are extremely useful |
| 13:06.42 | boudiccas | k-t, lets try that again |
| 13:06.47 | mumpitzel | don't praise them too much or it will go to their heads |
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| 13:15.48 | moof2 | can I chroot into an installation on a drive I moved over from another machine and install/remove packages? I must have accidentally installed dracut, so I want to get rid of it, put the normal initrd utilities back and regenerate the initrds so that dracut is removed |
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| 13:17.40 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, keyboard /does/ work under recovery mode |
| 13:17.56 | moof2 | dracut is trying to do the short cut of only activating the first vol group it sees, and my stuff isn't on the first one... so it can't find the root lv |
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| 13:21.51 | boudiccas | sp somethign is happening between restart/reboot an just before the lightdm greeter thatis stopping usb-hotplug |
| 13:22.13 | boudiccas | but what |
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| 13:24.25 | sayah | could somone help me with a permissions question, I am login as root on debian, but am locked out of writing to most of the grub files. Is there a way to change my status to owner without completely reinstalling the whole os? |
| 13:25.08 | abrotman | sayah: "whoami" .... and who owns the files? |
| 13:25.56 | sayah | im root |
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| 13:26.24 | sayah | owner owns the files |
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| 13:26.46 | abrotman | owner owns? |
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| 13:26.56 | sayah | grub files |
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| 13:27.09 | digdilem | gets popcorn |
| 13:27.21 | abrotman | sayah: WHO owns the files |
| 13:27.32 | sayah | owner |
| 13:27.36 | abrotman | gives up |
| 13:27.55 | sayah | anybody else |
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| 13:28.56 | themill | sayah: are you talking about /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 13:29.06 | sayah | boot grub |
| 13:29.11 | themill | ... |
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| 13:29.48 | sayah | not .cfg |
| 13:29.57 | themill | sayah: Would you be happier asking in #debian-es? |
| 13:30.09 | sayah | no |
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| 13:38.51 | no_gravity | Hello! Im trying Debian 7 with Gnome classic mode. Is there a way to change the color of the active window in the task switcher? |
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| 13:46.18 | ksuhku | @sayah !mx |
| 13:46.24 | ksuhku | !es |
| 13:46.24 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 13:59.25 | jdoles | How do I use lightspark with firefox? |
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| 14:00.17 | jdoles | I did: apt-get install lightspark browser-plugin-lightspark |
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| 14:03.38 | jdoles | From what I can see lightspark is a waste of time. |
| 14:03.42 | jdoles | !lightspark |
| 14:03.42 | dpkg | Lightspark is an experimental, high-performance <Flash> player and browser plugin, aiming to support newer formats and the AVM2 virtual machine. The Mozilla browser plugin is packaged for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" as browser-plugin-lightspark. http://lightspark.github.com/ |
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| 14:04.18 | Aziroshin | Hello. I am installing from a netinst image I just downloaded (amd64) and both, the graphical and non graphical expert install hang in the middle of the progress bar of the "partition disk" section. |
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| 14:04.41 | Aziroshin | I am not sure as to how to proceed from there in either obtaining enough information to either fix it or help someone help me. |
| 14:05.00 | Aziroshin | Does the installer keep a log somewhere? |
| 14:05.43 | Aziroshin | When I start partman directly, it just hangs as well. So, it's partman that has the problem. |
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| 14:06.08 | Aziroshin | I found a partman log file, but it doesn't seem suspictios. |
| 14:06.11 | Aziroshin | *suspicious |
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| 14:08.21 | dvs | Aziroshin: You could try looking at the other virtual terminals (Alt-F2 to Alt-F6) |
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| 14:12.31 | mumpitzel | Aziroshin: what is the actual last thing you do before it hangs? |
| 14:12.43 | wjtaylor | I cannot view any of my smb shares. It used to work, but I made some changes to the conf file, now I'm hosed. |
| 14:13.01 | wjtaylor | I changed them back and it still doesn't work |
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| 14:13.47 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: what happens if you try and look at them via smbclient or mount them via mount -t smbfs ? |
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| 14:15.32 | wjtaylor | I've tried viewing them on ubuntu client and from the debian server. Both say the share cannot be displayed. Below that is says the share could not be mounted. |
| 14:15.35 | jdoles | How can I tell to apt-get to install the latest version of libgstreamer-vaapi*-dev? |
| 14:15.58 | jdoles | Having to specify that with each upgrade of the OS is a waste of time. |
| 14:16.01 | wjtaylor | mumpitzel: I tried mounting -t cifs and it said it's not a block device. |
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| 14:16.19 | wjtaylor | If I just smb://ipadrress/ |
| 14:16.27 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: what was your mount line? |
| 14:16.29 | wjtaylor | It connects, yet shows not shares |
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| 14:16.51 | mumpitzel | you cannot use URI syntax with mount. you need to use //server/share |
| 14:17.05 | wjtaylor | mount -t cifs -o username=username,passwd=passwd //192.168.1.65/data /mnt/Tesla |
| 14:17.42 | wjtaylor | I f I put the share it, I authenticate fine. I recieve the error after authentication |
| 14:17.50 | mumpitzel | what error? |
| 14:18.06 | wjtaylor | I also tried putting a bad passwd in... it keeps asking for the password if it's incorrect, so that's not it. |
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| 14:18.11 | wjtaylor | 1 sec |
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| 14:18.54 | wjtaylor | Cannot display location "smb://WJT;wjtaylor@192.168.2.76/data/" |
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| 14:19.03 | wjtaylor | Fail to mount windows share |
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| 14:19.45 | dvs | wjtaylor: They just said that that format won't work. |
| 14:19.45 | nullby7e | wjtaylor: wrong ip? or you don't have perms? |
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| 14:19.57 | wjtaylor | ip is good |
| 14:20.02 | nullby7e | try with sudo |
| 14:20.17 | nullby7e | your command is correct |
| 14:20.20 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: again: that's not what mount will return, it cannot: there are nor URIs with mount. last time: what error does mount give? |
| 14:20.21 | wjtaylor | Ah... I was doing it from the gnome desktop tool |
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| 14:22.16 | wjtaylor | mount: //192.168.2.76/data is not a valid block device |
| 14:22.17 | jdoles | Why can't I view 720p or higher videos on Youtube via gnash? |
| 14:22.50 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: after you enter the password? |
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| 14:23.30 | wjtaylor | oot@Tesla:/home/wjtaylor# mount -t cifs -o username=username,password=password //192.168.2.76/data /mnt |
| 14:23.38 | woshty | Is there an amd64/i386 combo installer for wheezy? |
| 14:23.50 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: dpkg -l smbfs |
| 14:24.00 | dvs | woshty: multiarch |
| 14:24.28 | wjtaylor | not found... |
| 14:24.45 | woshty | dvs: Where would I find that? |
| 14:25.02 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: apt-get install smbfs |
| 14:25.11 | dvs | woshty: same place you find the amd64, 386 ones |
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| 14:25.26 | wjtaylor | mumpitzel: let me try on the client. I know that has it installed. |
| 14:25.28 | mumpitzel | dvs: there is a multiarch installer? |
| 14:25.45 | woshty | mumpitzel: Yes, there is, has been for some time .. |
| 14:25.48 | mumpitzel | wjtaylor: you weren't running all this on the client? |
| 14:26.00 | mumpitzel | woshty: where? |
| 14:26.00 | woshty | dvs: click on getting debian and it is not there .. |
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| 14:26.17 | mumpitzel | woshty: you install amd64 and then make it multiarch |
| 14:26.21 | dvs | mumpitzel: sorry, multi-arch installed |
| 14:26.26 | dvs | installer |
| 14:26.31 | jiohdi | I installed vnc, but when I use it, it opens a window into the other computer that is not the current xwindows but seems to be a parallel session that allows me to run programs that show up in the top list but not on any desktop |
| 14:26.32 | mumpitzel | there is no "multiarch installer" wouldn't be sensible |
| 14:26.35 | mumpitzel | dvs: there is no such thing |
| 14:26.42 | dvs | woshty: what URL? |
| 14:26.49 | jiohdi | doesnt vnc let you share what is on the desktop? |
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| 14:27.00 | mumpitzel | jiohdi: it does. how did you start your vnc server? |
| 14:27.05 | dvs | mumpitzel: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/multi-arch/ |
| 14:27.09 | themill | mumpitzel: actually there is -- one netinst image that does both amd64 and i386 is available |
| 14:27.09 | woshty | dvs: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 14:27.21 | damex | hello, i'd like to know something about installation. is dvd1 of debian installation dvd set can be used as "network install cd"? i mean ... install minimal system without requiring dvd2 or dvd3. |
| 14:27.27 | jiohdi | mumpitzel, I just typed vnc2server it asked for a password for outsiders I gave it and its working |
| 14:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jiohdi, most servers start their own virtual X server for use with vnc exclusively. use x11vnc if you want to connect to the current session |
| 14:27.32 | woshty | dvs: It should be liked there, but is not |
| 14:27.41 | woshty | linked .. |
| 14:27.51 | jiohdi | sorry vnc4server |
| 14:28.21 | dvs | woshty: well, you can use the url I just pasted above. |
| 14:28.33 | wjtaylor | mumpitzel: I recieve the same error on the client and it has smbfs installed |
| 14:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell jiohdi about vnc setup |
| 14:28.55 | Aziroshin | dvs: They just sit there, waiting for me to press a button usually. F1 would probably have been interesting. However, I rebooted the machine to part it manually, which didn't quite work because the system on the harddisk doesn't accept my password reset (it's an ancient install of debian). |
| 14:29.01 | Aziroshin | It's all a bit of a big mess it seems. |
| 14:29.03 | woshty | dvs: yeah, thank you. but is there a reason, why for years that link has not made it to the proper page where basically everyone would expect it to be? |
| 14:29.11 | mumpitzel | jiohdi: you need another vnc server. this one is its own x server. you need a vnc server which runs inside X without providing a xserver, e.g. vino |
| 14:29.36 | dvs | woshty: no idea what the webmaster is thinking. ;-) |
| 14:29.43 | mumpitzel | damex: yes |
| 14:29.54 | jiohdi | thx CutMeOwnThroat |
| 14:29.56 | damex | mumpitzel, thx. |
| 14:30.19 | woshty | dvs: can i file a bug against the webmaster somewhere? |
| 14:30.26 | mumpitzel | themill: and it installs all of base debian in i386 and amd64? |
| 14:30.27 | jiohdi | mumpitzel, thx |
| 14:30.33 | themill | mumpitzel: no. One or other. |
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| 14:30.57 | mumpitzel | so not exactly multiarch but a iso with both arches on one disk? |
| 14:31.19 | woshty | themill: that is why i said combo instead of multiarch .. |
| 14:31.21 | dvs | woshty: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 14:32.09 | themill | woshty: it's called the multiarch installer. |
| 14:32.40 | dvs | Aziroshin: You forgot the password to your Debian system? |
| 14:33.40 | themill | woshty: the download page already has too many options on it. I don't know people will want to add more images to it |
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| 14:34.40 | mumpitzel | debian needs to remove the ia64 downloads :P |
| 14:34.55 | Aziroshin | dvs: It's basically an ancient system, I didn't even know it was on the target harddisk anymore. It's out of commission and would be deleted anyway. |
| 14:35.04 | lukaso666 | I have fresh Sid and I can't use polish (default) letters with "Alt + o/a/z/l/e" combination :/ with locale all is good... I use setxkbmap (Polish and Esperanto) and the switching works correctly (same as Esperanto letters) but main language - Polish - doesn't work in WM's (Awesome and Openbox) and in console... can you help me?? |
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| 14:35.17 | daemonkeeper | mumpitzel: There is a IA64 user! |
| 14:35.18 | Aziroshin | dvs: I had hoped I could use it to get gparted up and running quickly. However, other options are opening up, I found a system on an sd card I might use for that. |
| 14:35.23 | woshty | themill: yeah, it is pretty crowded, but not having the one link on it, that basically 90% of ppl want is not the best solution .. |
| 14:35.41 | dvs | Aziroshin: I'd try a live CD first to see if I could browse it. |
| 14:35.47 | themill | woshty: you reckon that many people really want it? I very much doubt it. |
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| 14:36.30 | Aziroshin | dvs: Wouldn't be bad either, but most live cds today require DVDs, and I am having huge problems here currently getting the hardware of the two computers I am installing currently to accept bootable dvd media (CDs work just fine). |
| 14:36.37 | Aziroshin | I am trying to switch to USB based media now. |
| 14:36.57 | dvs | Aziroshin: bootable USB? |
| 14:37.02 | Aziroshin | Might all sound a little confusing. It's basically a bunch of problems I am dealing with currently. |
| 14:37.48 | Bronze | !tell no_bronze about dmm |
| 14:37.49 | Aziroshin | Is it possible to omit the partitioning section in the installation procedure? |
| 14:37.57 | Aziroshin | (in general) |
| 14:38.14 | dvs | Aziroshin: it's called an expert install |
| 14:39.11 | Aziroshin | Okay, then tha's fine. (some parts don't seem to accept omission. They complain about a certain step not being completed, such as when you try to omit detecting the network hardware) |
| 14:39.18 | woshty | themill: instead of handling two usb sticks with installers on them just have one? I think many ppl would like that .. but of course, waiting 2 more years i386 will be gone anyways |
| 14:39.51 | themill | woshty: how many new i386 installs are you actually doing? |
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| 14:40.17 | dvs | woshty: 386 is already gone. 486 is the minimum. |
| 14:40.26 | woshty | themill: just one in the last few months |
| 14:40.54 | Aziroshin | (I had a case where the installer crashed during network hardware detection, but ip addr showed the interface just fine. Killing the installer (making it respawn) would not let me omit the detection. Fortunately, detection went through without issues the second time) |
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| 14:41.06 | Aziroshin | (Well, rather hanged itself than crashed) |
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| 14:43.44 | Aziroshin | dvs: Sorry for my cryptic rambling anyway. I'll try the options that opened up and see whether it works. If it doesn't, I might check back on it. Thanks for your attention regardless. :) |
| 14:43.46 | Jaleks | i am looking for any package which would let me re-arrange pdf files, so that i can get 4/6/8 pages on one side with a margin on the inner side of the resulting page. also it should be able to set a title at a specific position of each sub page. any ideas? |
| 14:44.06 | dvs | otay |
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| 14:45.28 | jdoles | Why do people recommend gnash and lightspark here? |
| 14:45.41 | smlb | jdoles: it's free software |
| 14:45.51 | zykotick9 | smlb: +1 |
| 14:46.09 | jdoles | smlb: what comes out of my behind, is free too. Do you see me recommending that too? |
| 14:46.21 | ksuhku | jdoles, oh shut up |
| 14:46.30 | smlb | jdoles: free != gratis |
| 14:46.44 | smlb | in italian there is not confusion |
| 14:46.45 | jdoles | smlb: you are supposed to use Free. |
| 14:46.48 | Jaleks | currently i am using a combination of imagemagick and pdfjoin to crop, title, reorder, turn and combine the pages, but that (convert) is really slow for larger pdfs when the target density should be 400 or better... also each next set of pdfs i plan to convert comes with other sizes and margins |
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| 14:46.59 | jdoles | smlb: free != Free. |
| 14:47.12 | smlb | jdoles: fortunately everyone can use everything they want |
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| 14:47.33 | jdoles | ksuhku: do you find it not reasonable that I question bad recommendations? |
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| 14:47.44 | smlb | jdoles: i don't understand what do you want to explain with `free != Free` |
| 14:47.44 | jdoles | gnash plays up to 480p video. |
| 14:47.57 | ksuhku | jdoles, I find it unreasonable you wish to start a holy war |
| 14:48.04 | jdoles | ksuhku: a holy war? |
| 14:48.17 | ksuhku | yeah, the good ol emacs vs vi thing |
| 14:48.17 | r-z | smlb: free as in free to do what you want with it is not the same as gratis |
| 14:48.20 | jdoles | ksuhku: it is pretty much common knowledge that gnash is bad software. |
| 14:48.28 | ksuhku | no it's not |
| 14:48.36 | jdoles | ksuhku: lightspark doesn't even show any video. |
| 14:48.45 | jdoles | ksuhku: it does 480p and nothing more. |
| 14:48.45 | ksuhku | it's common knowledge red is a better color than blue |
| 14:48.53 | smlb | r-z: I konw. |
| 14:49.01 | smlb | know* |
| 14:49.09 | zykotick9 | jdoles: it's flash-non-free that is "bad" software (regardless of technical merits) |
| 14:49.12 | jdoles | ksuhku: if you tell me how Gnash can go beyond 480p, then it might say it is not really bad. |
| 14:49.32 | ksuhku | jdoles, use what ever floats your boat dude... |
| 14:49.47 | jdoles | zykotick9: unless you are running a spy agency, Adobe Flash is *better*. |
| 14:49.53 | smlb | jdoles: If prefer living `free` and using gnash instead of adobe-flashplayer |
| 14:50.21 | smlb | jdoles: stop flame, lol. |
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| 14:51.48 | jdoles | smlb: try to act a bit within the limits of reason, not lol. |
| 14:52.26 | jdoles | smlb: you have such a limited concept of free. |
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| 14:52.35 | jdoles | smlb: did you fab all your components? |
| 14:52.42 | jdoles | smlb: did you fab your own fab? |
| 14:52.52 | smlb | jdoles: no man, if think that you're confusing something |
| 14:53.01 | jdoles | smlb: if not, then you are just completely insane. |
| 14:53.06 | ksuhku | jdoles, don't drink and irc |
| 14:53.22 | jdoles | ksuhku: I am the only one of the last 3 people I talked to who isn't. |
| 14:53.23 | smlb | ksuhku: lol, agree with you. |
| 14:53.26 | Fabianin | the Wheezy is recommended for beginners? |
| 14:53.46 | smlb | Fabianin: yep, always better than ubuntu |
| 14:53.47 | ksuhku | Fabianin, sure is |
| 14:53.52 | dvs | Fabianin: as opposed to what? |
| 14:54.07 | zykotick9 | Fabianin: "stable" in whatever codename it is (currently wheezy) is recommended for debian-beginners |
| 14:55.45 | Fabianin | dvs: Squeeze.. i'm having problems with Wheezy |
| 14:55.53 | jdoles | Are there also reasonable people in this channel who can see gnash and lightspark for what they are? (broken versions of an implementation of Flash) |
| 14:56.32 | jdoles | I understand that the unreasonable people have more time on their hands and hence are more likely to say something. |
| 14:56.41 | ksuhku | go on |
| 14:56.56 | smlb | jdoles: come on, it's an ethic discussion. Not whic are better than others. |
| 14:57.10 | themill | jdoles: perhaps it's time to move on? |
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| 14:57.23 | smlb | however feel `free` to use them or not. |
| 14:57.24 | jiohdi | jdoles, you can use real flash without much problem |
| 14:57.56 | jdoles | jiohdi: yes, I know that. I wanted to see whether I could eliminate some security problems. |
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| 14:58.02 | jiohdi | jdoles, just download the tar.gz flash version and copy the lib. to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 14:58.19 | jdoles | jiohdi: I need not require any further help. |
| 14:58.31 | jiohdi | k |
| 14:58.39 | zykotick9 | jiohdi: flashplugin-nonfree is also a package in the contrib repo |
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| 14:59.18 | jiohdi | zykotick9, I tried that one, did not work |
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| 14:59.39 | jdoles | I think recommending things that don't work just make sure that people will not listen to you next time you suggest something. |
| 14:59.54 | jdoles | In my case, such recommendations and the people who recommend it end up in /dev/null. |
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| 15:00.15 | Fabianin | one last question, better use debian 6 or 7? I never used debian, ubuntu and even then only very few times ... |
| 15:00.30 | jdoles | A Free alternative should be feature complete for the asked purpose. Otherwise you are just wasting time. |
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| 15:00.50 | ksuhku | jdoles, no alternative ever is 1:1 |
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| 15:01.01 | ksuhku | free or otherwise |
| 15:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | as themill said... time to move on |
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| 15:01.17 | jiohdi | Fabianin, wheezy or deb 7 is the best so far |
| 15:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fabianin, you already got the answer :) the current stable is wheezy and is recommended |
| 15:01.32 | jiohdi | 6 was stable but not even close to current |
| 15:01.42 | guyc | hello. what's the point of debian developers signing each other's keys? |
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| 15:02.27 | Fabianin | Wheezy has some problems with me: ( |
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| 15:02.31 | ksuhku | guyc, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust |
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| 15:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fabianin, if you don't describe the problem, I kind of doubt anywhere can help you with them, though... and repeating that you have some problem with wheezy won't change that |
| 15:03.37 | jdoles | guyc: it's called a web of trust. See Google. |
| 15:03.56 | ksuhku | fuck google, badvice |
| 15:04.04 | jdoles | guyc: it's an alternative to a hierarchical trust system and is superior. |
| 15:04.31 | jdoles | guyc: for details ask ##crypto. |
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| 15:06.18 | yellu | Hey guys, I have a problem with mplayer using vdpau. I can only play videos as root, as a normal user, it gives me an error. What do? |
| 15:06.36 | yellu | I remember last time I had to give some permission to nvidia-driver or something.. |
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| 15:10.00 | sneex | I surrender; How I remove MultiArch ? I keep getting multiarch-support is unpacked, but has never been configured. |
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| 15:10.32 | themill | sneex: can you pastebin the entire error output for us? and the command that generated it |
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| 15:14.00 | sneex | http://apache.pastebin.ca/2382648 |
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| 15:15.25 | sneex | that a simple one -- I haven't received update in a while -- I can't reformat Ebian yet; still missing some things I need :( |
| 15:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... E: Cannot get debconf version. Is debconf installed? |
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| 15:17.14 | themill | sneex: hmm... how have you managed to not have apt-utils and debconf installed? |
| 15:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | sneex, dpkg -l debconf|grep debconf says what? |
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| 15:17.45 | sneex | That gerates 4 more errors but the end result is what I pasted |
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| 15:18.45 | sneex | I guess I will have to punt -- see ya in a few months |
| 15:19.06 | sneex | lots of things to find first |
| 15:19.15 | themill | wait... so this isn't even a debian box>? |
| 15:19.45 | sneex | started as a debian 6x now a 7 type mess |
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| 15:20.03 | sneex | I onl;y use debian :P |
| 15:20.09 | themill | I assume you didn't follow the release notes for the upgrade... |
| 15:20.26 | sneex | lots of issues since multiarch came -- but maybe Im crazy' |
| 15:20.48 | themill | have you actually enabled multiarch with dpkg --add-architecture? |
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| 15:21.43 | sneex | I don't remember doing that |
| 15:21.46 | sneex | brb |
| 15:22.04 | themill | so multiarch has nothing to do with this |
| 15:22.20 | sneex | it is a i386 |
| 15:22.33 | sneex | no other listed |
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| 15:23.13 | sneex | then why say multiarch is not configured ? |
| 15:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, seems multiarch just added to your confusion |
| 15:23.35 | sneex | :( prolly :P |
| 15:23.37 | themill | it doesn't. It says that the package called "multiarch-support" is not configured. But that's not the cause of your problem |
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| 15:24.37 | themill | That you have required packages not installed and transitive-essential packages not configured is a problem |
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| 15:25.50 | themill | Start with "dpkg -i /path/to/multiarch-support_*.deb" and see if you can convince dpkg to install that package. |
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| 15:26.56 | sneex | ok, give me a few |
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| 15:31.57 | sneex | near as I can tell libc6_2.13-38_i386.deb is the isue: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 15:32.42 | sneex | multiarch-support depends on libc6 (>= 2.13-5) but its now configured yet |
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| 15:34.27 | sneex | I only have: /var/cache/apt/archives/multiarch-support_2.13-38_i386.deb |
| 15:36.26 | mtn | sneex: to better help us help you, please always paste the command and error message in full instead of telling us about it. |
| 15:36.40 | sneex | :P |
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| 15:37.11 | sneex | Do you guys really want too see all my insanity; unfiltered? |
| 15:37.19 | mtn | sneex: only if you want help |
| 15:37.27 | mtn | sneex: otherwise, no |
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| 15:39.08 | woshty | the text that has been printed on a tty is in some kind of buffer? can i dump that buffer somehow to a text file from the command prompt afterwards? |
| 15:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me translate that: we think that your filtering removes the useful bits |
| 15:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | as we've already seen with your first pastebin... |
| 15:39.23 | sneex | OK, back to the beginning then - this all started with a USB device showing at work but not at home -- it went down hill from there |
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| 15:41.06 | sneex | CutMeOwnThroat: 1>.path/to/file somecommad Will catch it to a file |
| 15:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | woshty, yeah... it's called copy&paste :P apart from that... depends on the terminal you use and may not be so easy to do... better to use typescript beforehand to log in/output |
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| 15:46.11 | woshty | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, no mouse :) I hoped there was some nifty dump the last x lines command from current tty i was unaware of. but thx.\ |
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| 15:46.56 | qman__ | woshty, what do you want to do with that text? |
| 15:47.13 | qman__ | you can probably use standard tools to directly take it and do what you want |
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| 15:48.04 | woshty | qman__: put it in a text file. i started a run of badblocks without redirecting output and might want to do that after badblocks is done. |
| 15:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | woshty, what terminal are you talking about... console without X? |
| 15:48.24 | qman__ | ah |
| 15:48.40 | qman__ | unfortunately I don't know of a way to grab the screen buffer, have to plan ahead |
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| 15:52.26 | Bronze | woshty: in the "konsole" terminal emulator you can save the contents of the buffer anytime you want during the session |
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| 15:53.12 | Bronze | woshty: "komsole" is one of the most flexible term emulators. I prefer to others, but I admit, I've never researched the issue. |
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| 15:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | woshty, hm, I use the bare no-X-running console so rarely... dunno. if you start "gpm", you have mouse support and can copy&paste. apart from that, be aware that it's a shortish ringbuffer for the text consoles that gets truncated to the bit visible on screen when you switch between them |
| 15:54.27 | Walex2 | qman__: run command line stuff under 'script' or 'screen' and they log that to a text file. |
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| 15:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | woshty, there's stuff like ttyrec or... |
| 15:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 15:54.57 | Guest17132 | hi people. Im using debian squeeze on a old 1.66 Ghz laptop. I bought antenna with better coverage AWUS036NHR, but no driver detected? not sure what goes wrong, but installed the firmware-realtek from the non-free repos. |
| 15:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Walex2, it wasn't his question, but his answer :) |
| 15:55.01 | Walex2 | woshty: anyhow yes, you can start 'gpm' and you will be able to grab what's on the screen |
| 15:55.05 | Guest17132 | anyone can help finding out where it fails? |
| 15:55.37 | Walex2 | Guest17132: 'lspci', to find the exact model of the wireless chipset. |
| 15:55.52 | qman__ | Walex2, right, but that's planning ahead too |
| 15:55.52 | jiohdi | what about ssh or vnc to the session and recording the output of the x11 that way? |
| 15:55.54 | ksdncv | hello, is there a way to upgrade libc6 without having to rm /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so as the pre-install script suggests (which doesnt seem to be something a package should be even suggesting at all) other than rebuilding the package with a sane pre-install as found in some blogs? |
| 15:55.56 | Walex2 | Guest17132: Debian 6/Squeeze does not support a lot of newer wireless chipset |
| 15:55.57 | Guest17132 | debian squeeze has been the perfect OS for this laptop. It was given free because it could not handle xp well :p fast as a breeze with squeeze |
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| 15:56.25 | Walex2 | qman__: well, 'gpm' can be started at any time, and it will be able to copy and paste whatever is on the screen already |
| 15:56.51 | Bronze | Guest17132: you must have bought more than an antenna. simply changing the physiocal antenna would have no affect on the software at all. |
| 15:57.07 | Guest17132 | Walex2: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller, but this must be the integrated one. |
| 15:57.13 | Walex2 | Guest17132: however the Debian 6/Squeeze 'kernel-3.2' in 'squeeze-backports' might help. |
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| 15:57.36 | zykotick9 | notest that linux-console has a very small buffer. tmux (or screen) would seem best option for increased "history" |
| 15:57.38 | Guest17132 | Bronze: sorry, its more than an antenna. a usb card :) |
| 15:57.46 | Bronze | :-) |
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| 15:58.07 | Walex2 | Guest17132: then 'lsusb' and do some web searching. |
| 15:58.22 | Guest17132 | Walex2: using the newer kernel is a great idea |
| 15:58.32 | Bronze | Guest17132: oo! nice device. |
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| 15:59.05 | Guest17132 | Walex2: lsusb: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:817f Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
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| 16:00.00 | aaaa591 | hi |
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| 16:00.54 | Guest17132 | Product: ALFA AWUS036NHR ; configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice ; (from dmesg) |
| 16:01.08 | Guest17132 | still no sign of loading modules or anything |
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| 16:01.50 | Guest17132 | trying the squeeze-backports solution |
| 16:01.58 | Guest17132 | thanks for help guys |
| 16:02.26 | mumpitzel | Guest17132: is the firmware package installed? |
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| 16:02.47 | Guest17132 | firmware-realtek? yes |
| 16:02.48 | mumpitzel | you have a realtek rtl8192CU chip there |
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| 16:03.30 | Walex2 | Guest17132: do you some kind of disability that prevents you from doing web searches? :-) |
| 16:03.31 | mumpitzel | what is the output of dmesg when you plug in the wlan usb stick? |
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| 16:04.53 | Walex2 | mumpitzel: if Guest17132 does a web search he would find the Debian Wiki page for that chipset, but don't tell him :-) |
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| 16:05.39 | mumpitzel | Walex2: it his response is true, he already did everything what he normally would need to |
| 16:05.54 | zeeflo | can someone tell me why /home doesnt get mounted at boot time? http://pastebin.com/VME3a2Jq |
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| 16:06.11 | mumpitzel | so now troubleshooting is needed what went wrong. pointing to a webpage doesn't help there much :( |
| 16:06.16 | Walex2 | mumpitzel: what he had missed was how to identify the chipset. Once identified he can do a web search himself, as I asked him to do. |
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| 16:07.02 | Walex2 | zeeflo: do 'sudo blkid' to find out where it is. |
| 16:07.15 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: run blkid and check if the UUID of /home is correct |
| 16:07.16 | zeeflo | i have done that Walex2 |
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| 16:07.24 | Walex2 | zeeflo: does it find it? |
| 16:07.35 | zeeflo | ./dev/sdb1: UUID="60969b5c-5a5d-4ac7-baa0-dad1aa014511" TYPE="ext4" |
| 16:07.39 | zeeflo | uid is the same |
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| 16:07.55 | Walex2 | zeeflo: that's good, so first try 'mount /home' and tell us what happens. |
| 16:08.00 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 16:08.16 | Walex2 | zeeflo: did you have a system crash before this happened? |
| 16:08.18 | zeeflo | cant find in fstab or mtab |
| 16:08.19 | zeeflo | nono |
| 16:08.35 | zeeflo | I just added the drive to the system, fdisk'ed it, made fs... |
| 16:08.40 | Walex2 | zeeflo: are you doing that as 'root'? |
| 16:08.41 | zeeflo | i can mount it with mount -t |
| 16:08.45 | zeeflo | yes |
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| 16:09.22 | Walex2 | zeeflo: sorry? 'mount -t ext4' works? |
| 16:09.26 | zeeflo | yes |
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| 16:09.48 | zeeflo | i dont understand why it claims it cant find it in fstab.. |
| 16:09.52 | zeeflo | it right there? |
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| 16:10.10 | Walex2 | zeeflo: then there is nothing wrong with the filesystem, just the line in '/etc/fstab', most peculiar. |
| 16:10.16 | woshty | CutMeOwnThroat: thx. i will try playing around with gpm once badblocks is done |
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| 16:10.31 | Walex2 | zeeflo: BTW your options for both '/' and '/home' are slightly inappropriate. |
| 16:10.36 | zeeflo | ./dev/sdb1 2048 209715199 104856576 83 Linux |
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| 16:10.40 | zeeflo | whats wrong with that fs ?? |
| 16:10.57 | mumpitzel | it's not the filesystem but your fstab |
| 16:11.00 | Walex2 | zeeflo: if it mounts in one way or another it is fine. |
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| 16:11.17 | zeeflo | it doesnt mount from fstab |
| 16:11.20 | zeeflo | fs is fine |
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| 16:11.37 | Walex2 | zeeflo: unmount it, then try 'mount -t ext4 -o noatime,errors=remount-ro UUID=60969b5c-5a5d-4ac7-baa0-dad1aa014511 /home' |
| 16:12.02 | zeeflo | done |
| 16:12.04 | zeeflo | no problem |
| 16:12.07 | zeeflo | mounted fine! |
| 16:12.20 | Walex2 | zeeflo: is your 'fstab' perchance in CRLF ending mode? |
| 16:12.32 | Walex2 | zeeflo: try with 'file /etc/fstab' |
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| 16:12.55 | zeeflo | ./etc/fstab: ASCII text |
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| 16:13.00 | Walex2 | zeeflo: also try 'umount /boot; mount /boot' to see whether that works |
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| 16:13.37 | zeeflo | mount: can't find /boot/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 16:13.39 | zeeflo | hmmmm |
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| 16:13.47 | ksdncv_ | weird, my old nick is still there after that long time |
| 16:14.11 | ksdncv_ | if someone replied about the libc problem, sorry missed it, seems lagged before |
| 16:14.14 | Walex2 | zeeflo: try 'dos2unix /etc/fstab' |
| 16:14.15 | zeeflo | it must be my fstab thats wrong.. :/ |
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| 16:14.27 | mooglenorph | Is there a way to suggest some code as a package for debian? |
| 16:14.56 | zeeflo | done |
| 16:14.58 | mooglenorph | I think that https://github.com/knmnyn/parscit should be included, and it's all GPL or LGPL. |
| 16:15.03 | phogg | !tell mooglenorph about rfp |
| 16:15.16 | zeeflo | should I try and reboot the vm? |
| 16:15.24 | mooglenorph | phogg: Thanks! |
| 16:15.28 | mooglenorph | phogg: I'll do that then. |
| 16:15.32 | Walex2 | zeeflo: no why, what's that got to do with the '/etc/fstab'? |
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| 16:15.50 | phogg | mooglenorph: it probably helps if you can help with the packaging |
| 16:15.51 | zeeflo | i dont know.. Im just out of ideas |
| 16:15.55 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: was that how to preserve some 'libc' version? |
| 16:16.21 | Walex2 | zeeflo: try 'dos2unix /etc/fstab' |
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| 16:16.24 | zeeflo | Walex2: I did that |
| 16:16.27 | ksdncv_ | actually what was trying was to upgrade it as some packages require 2.17 and have 2.13 installed |
| 16:16.33 | Walex2 | zeeflo: I'll also give you on the pastebin a new '/etc/fstab'... |
| 16:16.44 | zeeflo | Walex2: ok |
| 16:16.52 | ksdncv_ | but for some odd reason, preinstall fails and even asks me to delete libc so before attempting to install, which guess wont do any good |
| 16:16.53 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: that's a very dangerous thing to do, and crazy. |
| 16:17.19 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: which release of Debian have you got? |
| 16:17.57 | ksdncv_ | have it fixed as testing, so now that new testing version appeared some packages want the new testing libc |
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| 16:18.36 | ksdncv_ | oddly never had any problem upgrading libc until now |
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| 16:18.49 | mooglenorph | phogg: I probably can. I would mention that in the "prospective" request, right? |
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| 16:19.18 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: you are doing magic wizardy things by following 'testing', mixing Debian releases, so you are sure able to solve that yourself, and we cannot be so presumptuous to think we can assist you. :-) |
| 16:19.20 | ksdncv_ | upgrading itself always worked for me, but the last version has a test in pre install that complains about itself |
| 16:19.37 | phogg | mooglenorph: I don't know about that as I've never done it, I just know that spreading out the workload always helps. |
| 16:19.47 | mooglenorph | phogg: I'll look through some past requests to get an idea of how to write a decent-looking one. |
| 16:19.47 | zeeflo | Walex2: did you update the pastebin? |
| 16:19.58 | ksdncv_ | well, if other problems arise have prepared a static busybox to try fix it, just never saw a libc asking to delete it before install before |
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| 16:20.05 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: basically, as far as I am concerned, if you use 'testing' or sid' archives, and you don't know hot to handle all coerner cases, you shouldn't be doing that. |
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| 16:20.34 | Walex2 | zeeflo: wait a second. BTW, I suspect that the problem is that the order of columns in your 'fstab' is wrong.... |
| 16:20.46 | zeeflo | ? ok.. |
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| 16:21.12 | Guest17132 | ok, on squeze, and want to backport a package from wheezy. what should I add in the sources.list? |
| 16:21.15 | zeeflo | did something change since deb6? |
| 16:21.35 | Guest17132 | squeeze-backports or wheezy-backports? :) |
| 16:21.36 | mumpitzel | Guest17132: a deb-src line for wheezy |
| 16:21.41 | mumpitzel | !tell Guest17132 about ssb |
| 16:21.53 | ksdncv_ | its more an issue of weirdness in the package itself, why libc6 package asks me to delete libc so manually before install, worst case can always reboot with a static busybox or the mini-install and restart with cdebootstrap, but it makes no sense that libc asks to delete libc.so and even --force-all in dpkg doesnt skipt the suicidal requirement |
| 16:21.58 | Guest17132 | mumpitzel: ok, thanks |
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| 16:22.15 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: write a very simple NEW line for /home into fstab. no UUID, no options, SIMPLE. by hand, no copy + paste |
| 16:22.26 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: then make it work via "mount /home |
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| 16:22.41 | zeeflo | mumpitzel: ill try |
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| 16:23.03 | ksdncv_ | bigges issue with is is what if someone follows what the package says and removes libc so as requested by the package |
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| 16:23.04 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: when it works, then add the complexity of UUID and such |
| 16:23.27 | ksdncv_ | the average user dont think will like the outcome of following the package recommendation |
| 16:23.40 | zeeflo | mumpitzel: mount: can't find /home/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 16:23.49 | mumpitzel | ksdncv_: the average user, like you for example, doesn't run sid either |
| 16:23.54 | ksdncv_ | even in my case would prefer to avoid doing weird things as the package requests or rebuilding one |
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| 16:24.22 | zeeflo | mumpitzel: /dev/sdb1 ext4 /home noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 16:24.34 | zeeflo | cant find it in /etc/fstab |
| 16:25.14 | zeeflo | I tried with defaults only now.. |
| 16:25.21 | ksdncv_ | well, thanks for the replies anyways, will give a try to the modified libc package, if timeout and dont appear again in a while means it didnt work haha |
| 16:25.25 | zeeflo | Still cant find it in /etc/fstab |
| 16:25.40 | ksdncv_ | still cant see any reason why a package would request to rm libc so |
| 16:25.51 | Walex2 | zeeflo: http://pastebin.com/XLxNjqch |
| 16:26.14 | zeeflo | Walex2: Ill try that one |
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| 16:27.19 | zeeflo | Walex2: i could mount with #mount /home |
| 16:27.30 | zeeflo | I think your fstab worls.. |
| 16:27.34 | zeeflo | works*7 |
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| 16:27.54 | dementek | hi |
| 16:27.55 | Walex2 | zeeflo: it is hard to spot but you swapped around the "mountpoint" and "type" columns. |
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| 16:28.29 | Walex2 | zeeflo: also your options were somewhat inappropriate. Fortunately '/' is mounted with the right options by the boot scripts. |
| 16:28.30 | zeeflo | Walex2: ah!! Error 40.. Sorry for troubling you guys with a stupid error like that |
| 16:28.50 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 16:29.18 | zeeflo | it works with boot! |
| 16:29.26 | zeeflo | Thank you |
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| 16:30.01 | Walex2 | zeeflo: ah BTW I spotted another error, the PASS column for '/home' must be "2" not "1". |
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| 16:31.15 | zeeflo | Walex2: I thought pass for harddrives has to be 1 ? |
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| 16:32.31 | Walex2 | zeeflo: no, what matters is whether they are 'root' or not. In old times it was about parallel execution, so the same PASS was given to filetrees that could be 'fsck'ed in parallel (on distinct disks). |
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| 16:32.46 | zeeflo | Walex2: my harddrives are SAS 15k drives, should I add something else to my options besides noatime for such drives? Do you kow? |
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| 16:33.01 | Walex2 | zeeflo: check with 'man 5 fstab' and search 'fs_passno' |
| 16:33.11 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 16:33.47 | Walex2 | zeeflo: Depends on your application. I usuallu add 'barrier=1', and perhaps for a low load VM 'discard'. |
| 16:34.03 | zeeflo | discard is for ssd's only, no? |
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| 16:34.25 | Hans_Henrik | is tmpfile() "reliable", even if process is terminated with means such as SIGKILL ? |
| 16:34.30 | Walex2 | zeeflo: no, for any drive that allocates sectors sparsely, like VM drives. if they are allocated sparsely. |
| 16:34.44 | Hans_Henrik | or, is it supposed to be reliable?* |
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| 16:35.10 | zeeflo | ah ok.. So vmware drives allocates sectors sparsely? |
| 16:35.13 | Walex2 | Hans_Henrik: define "reliable" |
| 16:35.15 | zeeflo | i didnt know that |
| 16:35.16 | ksdncv_ | ok, upgrade worked perfectly with the hack described in yepou's block about libc preinst, but upgrading libc was definitively much easier before |
| 16:35.43 | ksdncv_ | blog, not block |
| 16:35.54 | Hans_Henrik | is tmpfile() supposed to be "reliable to delete the file", even if process is terminated with means such as SIGKILL on linux? * |
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| 16:36.04 | Walex2 | zeeflo: well, you can ask VMware to create drives in several different modes, and either contiguous or sparse allocation. Sparse allocation is usually called "growable". |
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| 16:36.31 | Walex2 | Hans_Henrik: 'man 3 tmpfile' for all that it guarantees. |
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| 16:36.47 | zeeflo | I actually dont know if ive set vmware to grow the drives on the fly or if theyre premade to size |
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| 16:36.49 | zeeflo | ill check that |
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| 16:38.32 | ksdncv_ | Walex2 and as a side note, whoever maintains libc6 package should reconsider how wise is to instruct people to delete their libc, thats something anyone that would scare anyone that knows what libc6 is, even if has a statically linked backup boot ready |
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| 16:38.48 | Walex2 | Hans_Henrik: also 'man tmpreaper' |
| 16:38.48 | jhutchins_wk | Walex2: VMWare calls it "Thin Provisioned". |
| 16:38.49 | Hans_Henrik | Walex2, well, it says that the file will be automatically deleted "when it is closed"; i think the file descriptor is closed upon SIGKILL, no? |
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| 16:38.52 | Hans_Henrik | idk |
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| 16:39.19 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: there are no guarantees as to 'testing' and 'sid' archives other than they will be broken some or even most of the time. |
| 16:39.47 | Walex2 | Hans_Henrik: yes, if there are no other links. |
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| 16:40.15 | ksdncv_ | then must be lucky of having almost no trouble in 7 years using testing |
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| 16:41.02 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: that was lucky :-) |
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| 16:41.33 | Walex2 | wonders how the words "testing" and "unstable" can be misinterpreted. |
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| 16:43.06 | mtn | three names and nothing to say |
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| 16:47.41 | ksdncv_ | at least for me testing has worked quite nicely so far, having packages regularly updated to upstream, and very little trouble (the time had more trouble was when had some unstable packages too, but now dont have any unstable packages mixed in) |
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| 16:47.53 | ksdncv_ | done with upgrades and so far not a problem |
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| 16:51.37 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: /j #Debian-next |
| 16:52.00 | ksdncv_ | seems cant |
| 16:52.11 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: it is even in the topic though. |
| 16:52.40 | ksdncv_ | trying to join there gets a bot kick instead |
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| 16:53.39 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: BTW a point that is often made is that it is actually less dangerous to track the 'unstable' archive than the 'testing' one because developers tend to use 'unstable' and upload to it fixes more quickly than to 'testing', as moving a package to 'testing' requires a bit of formality. |
| 16:53.43 | ksdncv_ | unless that oftc.net isnt an alias with freenode server |
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| 16:54.02 | ksdncv_ | oic, didnt know that |
| 16:54.43 | ksdncv_ | from what remember reading years ago thought was the opposite, that testing was considered a middle point in stability/new between stable and unstable |
| 16:55.02 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: the official Debian channels are on 'irc.debian.org', which is IIRC not freenode. |
| 16:55.16 | ksdncv_ | oic |
| 16:55.36 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: 'testing' os more reliable when as it is closer to become a release archive, e.g. during freezes. |
| 16:56.09 | Walex2 | ksdncv_: but if a latent bug is found in package, it gets uploaded first to 'unstable', and eventually to 'testing'. |
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| 16:57.10 | ksdncv_ | actually wouldnt even dared to try a unstable most install since last time had a few unstable packages had trouble with non existing dependencies and lib dependencies not tracking well and causing crashes until manually updated |
| 16:57.42 | ksdncv_ | but that was on woody or sarge days, so things might be different now |
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| 16:59.27 | catlee | themill: finally repaired my system |
| 17:00.41 | catlee | themill: /lib64 was missing some files. I used SystemRescueCD to boot, and then copied /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/*.so* to /lib64 |
| 17:00.59 | catlee | then deleted files that weren't provided by any package |
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| 17:03.39 | jhutchins_wk | ksdncv_: You might try reading the message that you get when you try to join that channel. |
| 17:04.48 | ksdncv_ | had tab closed as soon as joined, so no chance to read it, have read it afterwards which is when noticed oftc isnt an alias to a freenode server |
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| 17:05.42 | ksdncv_ | but had to look at log file instead, not handy to redirect people to other servers if your client closes the tab or clears it as some do |
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| 17:07.56 | jdoles | What should the hostname be on a postfix instance configured as a smarthost? |
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| 17:08.39 | jdoles | The hostname only makes sense internally, not on the wider internet. |
| 17:09.03 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: It's up to you. |
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| 17:13.31 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: so, abc.abc.abc would be a valid hostname? |
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| 17:26.48 | Egzas | Hello All. I welcome you at my new cs server! It's Gather style. My Skype is: Fuck_oN |
| 17:26.51 | sneex | :P |
| 17:26.56 | Egzas | Ip Adress: 77.90.83.240 |
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| 17:30.59 | amboss | How can I view which packages would be installed by `aptitude build-dep $package`? Note that the build dependencies for $package are already installed -- I just want to see which ones they are. |
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| 17:31.43 | XayOn | apt-get build-dep <package> --no-act |
| 17:32.19 | amboss | XayOn: That displays nothing as I've already installed the pacakges. I just get: '0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.' |
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| 17:34.31 | boudiccas | how can i reun pan with a nice of about 10please? |
| 17:34.49 | amboss | I just realised that apt has a log file. I'll use that for now. Thanks. |
| 17:36.14 | atrapado | amboss, maybe apt-cache showsrc $package |
| 17:36.32 | amboss | atrapado: I'll look into that. Thanks. |
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| 17:41.35 | boudiccas | how can i run 'pan' with nice of about 10 please? |
| 17:42.41 | nkuttler | boudiccas: man nice |
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| 17:42.57 | boudiccas | ahall, thanks, tried 'man pan' which was no good |
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| 17:50.35 | avox | what is jumping in here? |
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| 17:54.10 | ompaul | !debian |
| 17:54.10 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:54.21 | ompaul | avox: ^^ this is tech support channel for that |
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| 18:01.46 | no_gravity | Has the default Debian 7 installation a flashplayer? |
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| 18:02.01 | no_gravity | It looks like I only get black boxes, where flash videos are supposed to be... |
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| 18:02.38 | Miesco_ | HI does debian have a lot of arm packages? |
| 18:03.01 | Miesco_ | I have a samsung chromebook that is armv7, is this a bad idea? |
| 18:03.46 | krofna | no_gravity: Default debian comes with gnash player. It may not have as many features as adobe flash player. |
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| 18:04.14 | no_gravity | krofna: well, the only feature i need is that flash works in firefox... |
| 18:04.59 | krofna | no_gravity: gnash works with some sites like youtube. Altho you can install adobe flash from non-free repository. |
| 18:05.37 | no_gravity | krofna: apt-get purge gnash; apt-get install flash-nonfree ? |
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| 18:06.30 | ompaul | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:06.32 | krofna | no_gravity: Assuming you added non-free repository in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:06.44 | krofna | And yeah, its flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 18:07.43 | no_gravity | ok... apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree is running... |
| 18:08.08 | no_gravity | is there anybody out there *not* using the non-free repository? |
| 18:08.28 | Miesco_ | Do you have to chroot a chromebook (ARM) to put debian on it? OR can you use debian as the /? |
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| 18:09.00 | krofna | no_gravity: Yep. There are even popular distors without one (Like Trisquel) |
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| 18:09.05 | ompaul | no_gravity: many people |
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| 18:09.24 | ompaul | krofna: it's a pointless piece of spyware :) |
| 18:09.29 | no_gravity | krofna, ompaul: i meant here in the channel |
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| 18:09.47 | ompaul | no_gravity: there is at least one |
| 18:09.48 | krofna | ompaul: What? Trisquel? :D |
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| 18:10.20 | ompaul | krofna: yeah all that RMS inspired no tracking big risk :-) |
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| 18:14.49 | ksdncv_ | amboss apt-cache depends <packagename> |
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| 18:16.38 | krofna | Can anyone help me with mingw(mxe actually)? I am trying to cross compile my program for win32. It compiles but doesn't link: I get undefined reference errors. Here is compile script I'm using: http://paste.debian.net/6709/ |
| 18:17.15 | mumpitzel | krofna: which function |
| 18:17.45 | krofna | mumpitzel: About 2000 of them. |
| 18:17.52 | krofna | both boost and QT |
| 18:18.25 | ksdncv_ | krofna you need to either compile them yourself or find win32 compiled ones, there are no cross compile packages for any lib |
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| 18:18.59 | krofna | ksdncv_: I thought mxe does that for me when i do 'make boost qt' |
| 18:19.43 | amboss | ksdncv_: Thanks. |
| 18:20.07 | ksdncv_ | krofna may be, dont know what mxe is, just used packaged mingw but had manually compiled any required lib |
| 18:20.41 | ksdncv_ | mxe seems nice indeed |
| 18:21.11 | ksdncv_ | may be youre just missing the -L path to mxe compiled libs? |
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| 18:22.38 | Fah | Has anyone installed wheezy on a uefi pc? How's it working with regard to pure efi mode? |
| 18:22.39 | krofna | ksdncv_: In that case I'd get something like /bin/ld: cannot find -lsomelib? |
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| 18:23.33 | ksdncv_ | krofna check if there are lines of mingw discarding incompatible binaries, had that issue once of mingw trying to link debian provided libs with win32 cross compile for some reason |
| 18:23.57 | ksdncv_ | which might be why can locate them but since they're discarded afterwards the symbols are missing |
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| 18:24.11 | ksdncv_ | the discard messages should be at the beginning of the link messages |
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| 18:26.24 | krofna | ksdncv_: Nop, no such lines :/ : http://paste2.org/gcLwpCN3 |
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| 18:28.24 | morphium | Hi, I'm trying to blacklist a module according to http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting but it still loads. The "depmod -a" gives "WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.builtin: No such file or directory". What could I try? |
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| 18:28.56 | abrotman | which module? |
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| 18:29.38 | morphium | abrotman: drm |
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| 18:31.15 | peterrooney | I did a test run upgrading to wheezy from squeeze, and icedove does not check email accounts automatically when starting up. This makes me wonder what other gotchas I'm liable to find; going from version 3 to version 10 is a rather large step. |
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| 18:32.06 | zeeflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.50 | ksdncv_ | krofna seems to be missing also win32 symbols. Would give a try to add -L manualy to the compile line to point to mxe libs, and check that you have the mingw-w64-i686-dev or mingw-w64-x86-64-dev matching the bits of what you're targeting. Other than that dont know what else could be |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | peterrooney: did it not work ? |
| 18:33.57 | ksdncv_ | btw mxe seems nice indeed, thx for pointing that out, probably next time have to work on sometin win32 related will use it instad of manually compile libs |
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| 18:35.43 | zeeflo | what has backports.debian.org/debian-backports changed to? |
| 18:35.51 | zeeflo | (wheezy) |
| 18:36.01 | abrotman | !tell zeeflo about wheezy-backports |
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| 18:36.39 | keyzs | after enabling acess to remote desktop environment on debian do i need to install any vnc server? |
| 18:36.56 | keyzs | *access |
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| 18:47.05 | peterrooney | abrotman: I have no way of knowing. |
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| 18:48.15 | peterrooney | well, not without using for a week before discovering something like mayge the archive format has changed and they're all unrecoverable now. or some such |
| 18:48.27 | peterrooney | s/mayge/maybe/ |
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| 18:50.05 | zeeflo | when upgrading squeeze->wheezy, should one then keep the excisting grub.conf or install the package maintaner version? |
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| 18:50.32 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: we cannot know what's in yours. |
| 18:50.47 | zeeflo | nothing apart from the default squeeze install |
| 18:50.58 | mumpitzel | that's not true or you wouldn't get this message |
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| 18:51.21 | zeeflo | i havent edited the grub.conf since i got the server with squeeze on it |
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| 18:51.38 | mumpitzel | but it did change. one way or another. |
| 18:51.42 | zeeflo | in other words, is it safe to replace it with the maintainers? |
| 18:51.54 | mumpitzel | depending how you changed it |
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| 18:52.26 | zeeflo | i did not change it... |
| 18:52.39 | mnuhmnuh | zeeflo: back it up, try it, move it back if it doesn't work. |
| 18:52.55 | mumpitzel | tehn you have faulty hardware. files don't change themselves. dpkg already backs it up normally just in case |
| 18:53.04 | mumpitzel | also: is it really grub.conf? what path? |
| 18:53.22 | zeeflo | ./etc/default/grub |
| 18:53.26 | mumpitzel | I don't know of any grub.conf file on my system (well locate doesn't) |
| 18:53.32 | mumpitzel | ah. so it's no grub.conf at all |
| 18:54.10 | mnuhmnuh | zeeflo: ignore what i wrote |
| 18:54.29 | well_laid_lawn | grub.conf is from grub2 |
| 18:54.39 | mumpitzel | well_laid_lawn: where on your disk exactly? |
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| 18:54.50 | well_laid_lawn | /boot/grub |
| 18:55.15 | mumpitzel | well_laid_lawn: grub.cfg is not grub.conf |
| 18:55.25 | zeeflo | if I am using md to stripe my disks, I should install grub boot loader to the md and not the sda/sdb right? |
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| 18:56.20 | zeeflo | i have a 1gb md1 partition that is for boot |
| 18:56.30 | zeeflo | I should install grub loader on this partition right? |
| 18:57.33 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: where was grub installed before? |
| 18:57.58 | zeeflo | I dont know.. I am running the upgrade, so I cant see |
| 18:58.07 | zeeflo | im in the blue screen where I have to select. |
| 18:58.18 | zeeflo | Anyways I just tried to install it to md1, but it couldnt.. |
| 18:58.30 | mumpitzel | of course not. it can't install on software raids |
| 18:58.46 | zeeflo | then its probably on sda1 |
| 18:58.52 | zeeflo | then its probably on sda* |
| 18:58.53 | mumpitzel | why did you need to make it install anywhere? |
| 18:59.12 | mumpitzel | no, normally it's on sda, not on any partition |
| 18:59.15 | zeeflo | mumpitzel: I am running the dist upgrade |
| 18:59.22 | zeeflo | ask that.. not me |
| 18:59.41 | mumpitzel | yes, and since you already have grub installed it simply upgrades in place. it doesn't ask you where to install normally |
| 19:00.02 | mumpitzel | cause it knows where it is installed from last time, e.g. when you installed squeeze |
| 19:00.28 | zeeflo | no, its a hetzner server.. I dont know where their install script installs grub |
| 19:00.35 | zeeflo | I selected sda however, and it installed fine |
| 19:00.53 | well_laid_lawn | it'll be on the mbr most likely |
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| 19:01.24 | mumpitzel | the sticking point is not where grub installs its stage0 but how it can find its files |
| 19:01.54 | well_laid_lawn | grub1 or grub2 ? |
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| 19:02.07 | zeeflo | im very sure wheezy uses grub2 |
| 19:02.27 | well_laid_lawn | run update-grub and see if it fails |
| 19:03.27 | zeeflo | thanks well_laid_lawn |
| 19:03.32 | zeeflo | it ran fine |
| 19:03.44 | zeeflo | Do I need to reboot the server for the new kernel to run? |
| 19:03.50 | well_laid_lawn | yes |
| 19:03.53 | zeeflo | uname says its still using 2.6 kernel |
| 19:03.53 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 19:04.02 | well_laid_lawn | http://wiki.debian.org/Grub is handy |
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| 19:06.10 | zeeflo | crap.. |
| 19:06.13 | zeeflo | the server is not booting |
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| 19:10.11 | unborn | hello, guys how can I run x apps via ssh? anyone knows? |
| 19:10.12 | unborn | thanks |
| 19:10.47 | abrotman | !tell unborn about sshx |
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| 19:12.53 | unborn | thanks aboman |
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| 19:13.10 | Koma | !tell koma about sshx |
| 19:13.11 | unborn | I mean thanks abrotman |
| 19:13.21 | zeeflo | I am in a rescue console. Can anyone tell me how I mount the filesystem to see if grub and bootloader is ok? |
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| 19:14.08 | Koma | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
| 19:14.26 | zeeflo | anyone? |
| 19:14.34 | Koma | zeeflo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
| 19:14.48 | zeeflo | thanks |
| 19:14.55 | Koma | here too zeeflo http://edin.no-ip.com/blog/hswong3i/how-fix-your-debian-file-system-fsck |
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| 19:15.51 | zeeflo | the filesystem isnt brokes |
| 19:15.53 | zeeflo | broken |
| 19:16.00 | zeeflo | its probably a grub error |
| 19:16.47 | keyzs | ssh - X root@192.168.1.1 |
| 19:16.52 | keyzs | ups |
| 19:16.56 | keyzs | ssh -X root@192.168.1.1 |
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| 19:20.38 | zeeflo | ok |
| 19:20.53 | zeeflo | I can see that on md1, there is actually the old boot/grub |
| 19:21.04 | zeeflo | when I ugraded to wheezy I selected sda |
| 19:21.18 | zeeflo | has anyone got a clue as to what I do now? |
| 19:21.39 | well_laid_lawn | did grub have an error findong a device |
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| 19:21.49 | well_laid_lawn | s/do/di/ |
| 19:22.00 | zeeflo | huh? |
| 19:22.22 | zeeflo | well.. I suspect installing grub to sda made the system not bootable |
| 19:22.27 | zeeflo | it should have been installed to md1 |
| 19:22.30 | well_laid_lawn | you ended up in a rescue shell right? |
| 19:22.32 | zeeflo | yes |
| 19:22.36 | zeeflo | I am in rescue now |
| 19:22.43 | abrotman | so the system booted partially? |
| 19:22.46 | zeeflo | I did a mount /dev/md1 to /mnt |
| 19:22.50 | well_laid_lawn | what was the grub error that got you there? |
| 19:23.00 | zeeflo | and I can see the old /boot/grub in /mnt now |
| 19:23.24 | zeeflo | im lost.. Ive never tried this before |
| 19:23.25 | zeeflo | :/ |
| 19:23.52 | well_laid_lawn | reboot and watch what happens before you end up in the rescue shell |
| 19:24.06 | zeeflo | well_laid_lawn: the server is 2000km away ! |
| 19:24.17 | well_laid_lawn | don't stare at the wall or something else |
| 19:24.27 | well_laid_lawn | that makes it hard |
| 19:24.46 | zeeflo | no, i should just create a new grub/bootloader (what ever) to /dev/md1 |
| 19:25.00 | zeeflo | it obviously wants /boot to be on md1 and not sda |
| 19:25.05 | well_laid_lawn | you will always have files in /boot/grub |
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| 19:27.09 | well_laid_lawn | normally you'd add rw init=/bin/bash to the kernel line and get a grub command prompt to fix it but if you aren't there at the grub menu it'll be hard |
| 19:27.18 | zeeflo | would someone be willing to help me out over i.e Teamviewer? |
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| 19:27.58 | well_laid_lawn | hard to know how to fix it if you don't know what issue grub is having |
| 19:28.03 | zeeflo | i think I have to do something like, mounting the /dev/md1 and md2 to /mnt something something.. and then chroot into my installation somewhow |
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| 19:29.44 | zeeflo | like I said.. |
| 19:29.55 | zeeflo | im pretty sure its because I installed grub to sda |
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| 19:30.05 | zeeflo | when what I should have done was to install it to md1 |
| 19:31.10 | well_laid_lawn | if it was installed to sda before and worked... |
| 19:31.51 | zeeflo | it wasnt |
| 19:31.52 | zeeflo | Dude |
| 19:31.57 | zeeflo | it was installed to MD1 |
| 19:32.12 | zeeflo | I can see that, because I have mounted /dev/md1 to my rescue system /mnt |
| 19:32.18 | zeeflo | and its got grub |
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| 19:35.33 | dutchfish | zeeflo, can you boot into rescue boot remotely? |
| 19:35.40 | zeeflo | yes |
| 19:35.41 | zeeflo | I am in it |
| 19:35.54 | zeeflo | I mounted /dev/md1 to rescue /mnt |
| 19:36.02 | zeeflo | I can see the grub there |
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| 19:36.26 | zeeflo | should I perform a grub-install there? |
| 19:37.08 | dutchfish | zeeflo, as far as i remember chroot into the mount point of mdx and reinstall grub like: grub-install /dev/mdx | milage may very on your system depending on the state of grubs bootrecord, but thats basically it |
| 19:37.29 | zeeflo | so, chroot /dev/md1 ? |
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| 19:37.57 | zeeflo | i cannt chroot into /dev/md1 |
| 19:38.04 | dutchfish | zeeflo, normally yes, but before we conclude that what is your md layout physically? |
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| 19:38.24 | zeeflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.38 | zeeflo | dev/md1 has bootloader/grub and /dev/md2 was my / |
| 19:38.39 | dutchfish | zeeflo, 2 spindle setup? |
| 19:38.46 | zeeflo | yes |
| 19:38.56 | zeeflo | md0 is swap i reckon! |
| 19:39.06 | dutchfish | zeeflo, no warranties, but i think you can go by this drill |
| 19:39.13 | zeeflo | im listening!! |
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| 19:39.41 | dutchfish | zeeflo, chroot into that mountpoint |
| 19:39.51 | zeeflo | my /dev/mdX is made up of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
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| 19:40.03 | zeeflo | i just tried #chroot /dev/md1 |
| 19:40.06 | zeeflo | it wont let me |
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| 19:40.14 | zeeflo | chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/md1: Not a directory |
| 19:40.30 | dutchfish | zeeflo, here is a simular problem on a sda/sdb system on rh http://idolinux.blogspot.nl/2009/07/reinstall-grub-bootloader-on-md0.html |
| 19:41.09 | dutchfish | zeeflo, debian differs because you need dpkg to install grub with grub-install, but thats basically it |
| 19:41.41 | zeeflo | so according to this I : mount md1 to /mnt |
| 19:42.08 | dutchfish | zeeflo, what does /boot/grub/device.map tells you? |
| 19:42.17 | zeeflo | let me see |
| 19:42.57 | zeeflo | (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_HD753LJ_S13UJ1CQC01772 |
| 19:43.02 | zeeflo | and then an hd1 |
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| 19:44.48 | dutchfish | zeeflo, found the wiki procedure http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 19:45.04 | zeeflo | ive read that too |
| 19:45.12 | zeeflo | but I dont know how I chroot into it... |
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| 19:46.07 | dutchfish | zeeflo, can pastebin (not in here) the outcome of fdisk -l ? |
| 19:46.41 | zeeflo | i have created /mnt/boot and mounted /dev/md1 to it |
| 19:46.59 | zeeflo | I have then mounted /dev/md2 and mounted it ti /mnt |
| 19:47.09 | zeeflo | I now have a set up in /mnt as it used to be |
| 19:47.15 | zeeflo | do I then chroot /mnt ? |
| 19:47.16 | dutchfish | zeeflo, first, can you pastebin (not in here) the outcome of fdisk -l ? |
| 19:48.00 | zeeflo | http://pastebin.com/wHtKpnQ0 |
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| 19:49.01 | mekeor | which is currently the best file-manager with mac-os-finder-like column-view-mode for debian? |
| 19:49.39 | dutchfish | zeeflo, i am not sure because there is no partitin marked as bootable |
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| 19:49.52 | zeeflo | dutchfish: it MUST have been md1 |
| 19:50.00 | zeeflo | md1 has grub in it! |
| 19:50.07 | zeeflo | I have chrooted into /mnt |
| 19:50.14 | zeeflo | what do I do then? |
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| 19:51.43 | dutchfish | zeeflo, my current thought is that installing grub into sda, has overwritten a part of sda1, but you have to ask some bigger gods then me, i am not sure about this fdisk outcome .... |
| 19:52.08 | zeeflo | I installed grub to /dev/sda during the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 19:52.10 | dutchfish | zeeflo, maybe someone else can shed a light on this |
| 19:52.12 | zeeflo | this was obviously wrong |
| 19:52.22 | dutchfish | yes, i hear you |
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| 19:53.07 | dutchfish | zeeflo, i dont want to mess up things further by giving a wrong advise |
| 19:53.32 | mumpitzel | I would look into the old default/grub cause it's probably hetzner who configured something nonstandard there |
| 19:53.34 | zeeflo | its ok.. |
| 19:53.46 | Quibus | hi |
| 19:53.51 | zeeflo | i give up |
| 19:54.05 | zeeflo | the time I spend searching for this, I can just as well reinstall the server |
| 19:54.05 | Quibus | Friend installed debian and when he does apt-get update, it says "could not get updates" |
| 19:54.09 | Quibus | Any idea what's going on then? |
| 19:55.07 | abrotman | Quibus: check sources.list |
| 19:55.16 | Quibus | abrotman: it should be OK |
| 19:55.19 | abrotman | Quibus: check sources.list |
| 19:55.23 | Quibus | he also gets 3 Hit lines |
| 19:56.14 | zeeflo | how do I exit a chroot? |
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| 19:56.58 | mumpitzel | exit |
| 19:57.18 | Quibus | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/pqAx2ZMR |
| 19:57.29 | Quibus | that's not too bad is it? |
| 19:58.03 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: what makes you reinstalling will give you a working grub? |
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| 19:58.16 | Quibus | except for the double main |
| 19:58.23 | zeeflo | mumpitzel: because its a reinstall of the server |
| 19:58.47 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: you need to reexamine your reasoning. what makes the reinstall better for grub? |
| 19:58.48 | zeeflo | I will lose everything but I atleast will have a bootable server |
| 19:58.57 | mumpitzel | Quibus: there is "testing" there which is pretty bad. |
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| 19:59.12 | Quibus | he's on testing on purpose |
| 19:59.20 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: that's very faulty reasoning |
| 19:59.26 | zeeflo | WELL mumpitzel |
| 19:59.26 | mumpitzel | Quibus: and he shouldn't be |
| 19:59.35 | zeeflo | when I dont know HOW to rescue my server, whats my option? |
| 19:59.40 | Quibus | mumpitzel: different topic... |
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| 20:00.18 | dutchfish | zeeflo, do you have backups? |
| 20:00.21 | mumpitzel | Quibus: no matter what, there shouldn't be a "testing" in sources.list, ever. there should be wheezy or if he really wants current testing, "jessie". but never testing |
| 20:00.22 | zeeflo | no |
| 20:00.53 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 20:01.02 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: why is your /boot on a raid1? maybe simplify it all and don't use a raid1? |
| 20:01.13 | Quibus | mumpitzel: I have testing in there for over 12 years without any problems. It's just pointing to testing, ignoring releases. What's wrong with that? |
| 20:01.13 | mumpitzel | dutchfish: don't be surprised |
| 20:01.16 | zeeflo | its not on a raid1.. |
| 20:01.28 | mumpitzel | Quibus: frankendebian is what's wrong |
| 20:01.42 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: you wrote above your /boot is on md1. was this wrong? |
| 20:01.47 | Quibus | mumpitzel: I don't grok |
| 20:01.55 | zeeflo | no |
| 20:02.06 | zeeflo | md1 is not a raid1 |
| 20:02.08 | mumpitzel | Quibus: have you done a "apt-get dist-upgrade" since start of may? |
| 20:02.21 | mumpitzel | zeeflo: then what is it? a raid0 for boot? |
| 20:02.25 | zeeflo | yes |
| 20:02.28 | Quibus | mumpitzel: yes, I do one daily |
| 20:02.32 | mumpitzel | *facedesk* |
| 20:02.44 | mumpitzel | that applies to both |
| 20:03.50 | Scall | Hello, I've read that compiling software as root should be avoided for security reason, and "fakeroot" should be used... is that true? Could somebody explain me why? Compiling the kernel as root should be also avoided? Thanks in advance. |
| 20:03.55 | zeeflo | my /dev/md0 is swap.. My /dev/md1 has grub, but not /boot. my /dev/md2 has / |
| 20:04.06 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: I'm not quite following through. What's wrong with havingn /boot on a RAID1? |
| 20:04.19 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: nothing much |
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| 20:04.26 | dutchfish | Scall, in short yes, i compile kernels as non root |
| 20:04.36 | mumpitzel | petn-randall: but having /boot on a raid0 that's just pure idiocy |
| 20:04.44 | Scall | dutchfish: the reason? |
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| 20:04.51 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: Indeed ... |
| 20:04.56 | zeeflo | can someone help me over teamviewer or similar.. I really have to 1) get grub/boot reconfigured and 2) reinstalled the server... |
| 20:05.03 | dutchfish | Scall, when something goes wrong i do at least not loose my sytem |
| 20:05.04 | Quibus | mumpitzel: I still don't see the problem... :S |
| 20:05.04 | zeeflo | and = or |
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| 20:05.24 | Quibus | Friend uses this sources.list and gets the error, I use a very similar one without problems |
| 20:05.25 | mumpitzel | Quibus: there is no problem. none at all. we know you don't have anything important on your debian machine |
| 20:05.31 | KdgDev | I have a Debian7 VM. I increased the RAM setting from 512MB to 1GB and now it only boots to the terminal, it won't start the Graphic User Interface anymore. Anyone have experience with that? |
| 20:05.39 | mumpitzel | Quibus: maybe you should tell us what the actual error is |
| 20:05.53 | mumpitzel | KdgDev: check your Xorg.0.log |
| 20:05.54 | petn-randall | mumpitzel: Especially since you can have the same boot performance with raid1 by using the 'offset' layout. |
| 20:05.59 | Quibus | <OeiOeiVogeltje> could not get updates |
| 20:06.00 | Quibus | <OeiOeiVogeltje> operation was cancelled |
| 20:06.01 | Quibus | that |
| 20:06.13 | Dunams | I'm wondering, will changing the address in the /etc/network to an IP failover I got from my server provider, will it change the main server IP to that one? I would like to disable the default server IP |
| 20:06.14 | mumpitzel | Quibus: that is no error message |
| 20:06.19 | jdoles | How do I determine on which computer/keyboard a particular command has been typed originally? |
| 20:06.29 | mumpitzel | Quibus: simply paste the command and its output in a pastebin |
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| 20:06.55 | jdoles | I need to know this, because based on the answer a different command needs to be run. |
| 20:07.15 | Quibus | mumpitzel: it's on a friend's box... I can only paste what he pastes to me |
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| 20:07.38 | KdgDev | mumpitzel: found it, anything in particular I'm looking for? |
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| 20:08.23 | Quibus | mumpitzel: http://pastebin.com/HJ47ew29 |
| 20:09.42 | mumpitzel | operation was cancelled generally means someone pressed ctrl+c, no? |
| 20:10.13 | Quibus | he didn't |
| 20:10.34 | mumpitzel | tell your friend to pastebin the actual command and error message. not even google finds a "apt-get could not update" |
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| 20:12.15 | Scall | dutchfish: can compiling a kernel really make to loose the system? Do you mean that if something goes wrong in the compilation it can break my Debian installation? |
| 20:12.36 | Scall | (compiling it as root) |
| 20:12.38 | dutchfish | Scall, changes are slim, but yes it can |
| 20:12.48 | petn-randall | Quibus: Even better, bring your friend in here so we don't have to play chinese whispers in here. |
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| 20:13.32 | dutchfish | Scall, generally, you do not need to be root to compile stuff or build packages |
| 20:13.36 | mumpitzel | Scall: if the source code is malicious cause someone dropped malware in it, then yes it can happen |
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| 20:15.14 | Scall | mumpitzel: and if the source code is secure (downloaded with "apt-get source [package name]")? |
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| 20:15.33 | mumpitzel | what makes you think debian servers are secure? |
| 20:17.23 | rudi_s | mumpitzel: If they aren't you have a bigger problem as downloading malicious source code - like malicious binary packages. |
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| 20:18.19 | krofna | mumpitzel: Please read this: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html |
| 20:18.34 | rudi_s | Scall: Compiling as root is generally a bad idea because it can break your system if something goes wrong. Like typos in the Makefile, missing environment variables etc. And as you should use root only when necessary, compiling as user is a good idea. You only need root to install something. |
| 20:19.04 | dutchfish | Scall, what i meant is, always work with 'most restrictive', you can of couse use root for the tasks needed at will. Compiling stuff is a non-root job |
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| 20:24.29 | KdgDev | oh wow |
| 20:24.37 | KdgDev | mumpitzel: I think I found the problem |
| 20:24.53 | KdgDev | I recently did a "apt-get autoremove" |
| 20:25.02 | KdgDev | and from the looks of it, debian just threw out gnome |
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| 20:26.12 | KdgDev | Because the list of apps I'm being asked to install in order to get "gnome-desktop-environment" and "xorg" looks very much like the list I got when I did the autoremove |
| 20:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and good riddance, too? |
| 20:26.25 | KdgDev | Why would debian autoremove my graphic environment... |
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| 20:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | KdgDev, because you removed something that "gnome-desktop-environment" depended on |
| 20:27.07 | KdgDev | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not aware that I did |
| 20:27.38 | xdexter | Hello, i already checked all my discs, but in startup show this message: give root password for maintenance or type control-d to continue, someone help me? |
| 20:27.41 | KdgDev | If that's the case, I certainly didn't know about it |
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| 20:28.22 | Quibus | mumpitzel: he magically can't reproduce it anymore.... hmmm |
| 20:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | KdgDev, still, that's what most probably happened... |
| 20:28.42 | KdgDev | Well, reinstalling now |
| 20:28.55 | Scall | I see, so I'll use fakeroot from now on (actually I used it before, but I've recently the habit to use root >.< ). Thanks for the answer dutchfish, mumpitzel and rudi_s |
| 20:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | xdexter, well, do give root password for maintenance or type control-d to continue... why don't you |
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| 20:29.14 | rudi_s | np |
| 20:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | xdexter, "maintenance" most likely consisting in running fsck |
| 20:29.52 | zykotick9 | KdgDev: just an FYI, if you use aptitude instead of apt-get for removals, this wouldn't be an issue. as you'd see the gnome removal when you tried to remove whatever the dependency is. |
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| 20:30.05 | rudi_s | (Just don't use aptitude for updates!) |
| 20:30.13 | xdexter | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, i do fsck in /dev/md0 and no problems, and /dev/md1 i have 2 VMs and no do problem too |
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| 20:30.39 | xdexter | o search in logs and i no search nothing |
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| 20:31.08 | KdgDev | zykotick9: looks like it's because I uninstalled iceweasel |
| 20:31.18 | KdgDev | only thing I can think of |
| 20:31.26 | KdgDev | only thing I uninstalled since setting the VM up |
| 20:31.43 | Arrowmaster | that would do it |
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| 20:32.12 | Arrowmaster | since gnome depends on xul-ext-adblock-plus for some stupid reason |
| 20:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | KdgDev, what version of debian is that? |
| 20:33.39 | KdgDev | 7 |
| 20:33.40 | KdgDev | Debian 7 |
| 20:33.42 | mumpitzel | KdgDev: thanks for the chuckle before I go to bed :) |
| 20:33.47 | wald0 | im trying to read an HD that contains an LVM setup, but by just connecting it to the computer doesn't appears on my thunar, the best tool that i have found is to install system-config-lvm, run as user it makes the lvm devices to appear in thunar, is there any package like a daemon that makes it simply available without need to do anything more ? |
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| 20:33.53 | KdgDev | mumpitzel: you're welcome |
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| 20:34.39 | jch | Alioth is dead? |
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| 20:35.18 | dutchfish | jch, not over here |
| 20:35.20 | jch | ... while talking to lists.alioth.debian.org.: <<< 451 Temporary local problem - please try later |
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| 20:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | KdgDev, ow, yes, gnome-core depends on it |
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| 20:36.46 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hey I just looked in /tmp and I see all these folders aptitdue-xxxxxx/ what are they and is it OK to delete them? |
| 20:37.23 | KdgDev | weird... |
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| 20:41.03 | angs | how can I restart d-bus deamon on debian-lenny? |
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| 20:42.31 | zeeflo | guys |
| 20:42.46 | zeeflo | what command can I use to look inside all text for a sentence? |
| 20:42.51 | zeeflo | all over the server |
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| 20:43.03 | cusco | grep |
| 20:43.19 | mumpitzel | grep -r |
| 20:43.20 | phogg | zeeflo: depends, but a brute force method might be find / -type f -exec fgrep -H 'sentence here' {} + |
| 20:43.35 | phogg | I suppose grep -r works, too... |
| 20:43.39 | zeeflo | i need to find all instances of "cdn33! |
| 20:43.44 | zeeflo | in /var/www |
| 20:43.52 | MouseTheLuckyDog | phogg: +? |
| 20:44.01 | cusco | grep -r "cdn33" /var/www/* |
| 20:44.10 | cusco | MouseTheLuckyDog: + to append as arguments |
| 20:44.13 | zeeflo | and then I could do > cdn33.txt ? |
| 20:44.19 | phogg | MouseTheLuckyDog: like \; but with all the advantage of | xargs grep |
| 20:44.21 | cusco | instead of ; to break into new cmds |
| 20:44.43 | cusco | zeeflo: yes you could |
| 20:45.03 | Quibus | good night |
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| 20:45.41 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 20:45.46 | zeeflo | it returned no results |
| 20:45.59 | zeeflo | could it be because the content is stored in a database? |
| 20:46.04 | cusco | sure |
| 20:46.14 | zeeflo | could I just grep it from the db then? |
| 20:46.17 | cusco | no |
| 20:46.22 | cusco | use sql for that |
| 20:46.44 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 20:46.58 | cusco | zeeflo: in html source check html near the sentence cdn33, and find a unique html tag/id with content that is not on db |
| 20:47.01 | cusco | grep that |
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| 20:47.42 | zeeflo | yes... but theres nothing unique related to cdn33 .. |
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| 20:47.51 | zeeflo | all my post content is stored in db |
| 20:47.56 | zeeflo | (wordpress) |
| 20:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | then search the database for it... that's what it's for |
| 20:48.19 | zeeflo | yea |
| 20:48.24 | KdgDev | and she's fixed |
| 20:48.27 | zeeflo | can I output it to a text? |
| 20:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | or say what you wanted to accomplish in the first place, maybe |
| 20:48.31 | KdgDev | everything reinstalled and the GUI runs again |
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| 21:02.52 | Christoff522 | does anybody know a decent podcast program for cli in the repositories? i would (preferably) like something similar to banshee, but would be happy if i could just listen to certain online radio stations |
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| 21:03.40 | andkore | anyone know if there's a solution to the segfaulting on certain gtk3 apps? (in testing) |
| 21:04.13 | intelikey | i have one account that can't login via ?md i have pretty much nuked the ~/ but still no gui error message from .xsession-errors reads > /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... <<< any idea why this might be happening ? |
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| 21:05.22 | intelikey | all other accounts work ok just this one can't run X console login works fine for all. |
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| 21:05.27 | intelikey | anyone ? |
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| 21:07.23 | Niichan | What package are the GTK 3 development headers in? |
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| 21:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | intelikey, disk or disk quota full? |
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| 21:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or .Xauthority or some other curcial file in $HOME owned by root |
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| 21:09.48 | intelikey | cutmeownthroat i rm'd such files in the users home and not using quotas gig's of free space... i'm at a loss here |
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| 21:14.37 | intelikey | WOW found it. declaring a function in .bashrc with export -f FUCTION_NAME <<<< that should not crash a gui |
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| 21:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, look $HOME/.xsession-error, maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues |
| 21:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
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| 21:15.50 | intelikey | it said -f illegle |
| 21:16.05 | intelikey | thanks anyway |
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| 21:21.22 | nosuid | is kernel.shmall set by pages or size? |
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| 21:27.47 | kingsley_ | Has anyone tried to estimate how many people use debian? If so, can you direct me to a URL? |
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| 21:28.27 | diverdude | How can i check nfs version? |
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| 21:29.41 | kingsley_ | diverdude: Maybe ... $ dpkg -l | egrep -i nfs |
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| 21:31.36 | ScottG489 | I just finished an install of debian but when i try to load the OS from grub it hands on "loading, please wait" for a while then spits out an error saying it 'gave up waiting for root device' |
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| 21:34.39 | kingsley_ | ScottG489: Maybe grub is misconfigured. Did you notice anything unusual about "grub" or a "partition" while installing? |
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| 21:35.09 | ScottG489 | kingsley_: I didn't. I mean it's all pretty automated. |
| 21:36.21 | ScottG489 | kingsley_: I just ran the recovery entry instead and it shows me what it does and it seems to load up a lot of stuff fine |
| 21:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley_, your google (or duck-duck-go)-fu is weak, young grasshopper... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=56773 |
| 21:37.31 | ScottG489 | the last line say something along the lines of generic-usb input,hidraw1: USB HID Mouse Broadcom |
| 21:37.46 | kingsley_ | ScottG489: That's interesting. There's always "SystemRescueCD". It's a live CD with debugging tools. Maybe you could use it to check grub's configuration and possibly improve it. |
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| 21:39.07 | diverdude | kingsley_, no lucjk |
| 21:39.12 | diverdude | How can i check nfs version? |
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| 21:39.21 | ScottG489 | kingsley_: what would i check for? I actually have a sysrescuecd |
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| 21:40.56 | caf | it actually sounds like a problem with the initrd not loading whatever driver is needed for the rootfs |
| 21:41.09 | caf | or it not loading in a timely manner |
| 21:41.30 | ScottG489 | caf: what would you suggest i do? |
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| 21:43.46 | caf | so after it says "Gave up waiting for root device", it should say a few other things finishing with "ALERT! <some device> does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 21:43.56 | ScottG489 | yes yes |
| 21:43.56 | smj | I made a simple Qt app... how could I compile it for Windows? |
| 21:44.04 | caf | so what is <some device> in your case? |
| 21:44.17 | ScottG489 | caf: lets see |
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| 21:44.57 | smj | if I download Qt from the qt-project site, it's linked to some MinGW library versions I don't know where to find |
| 21:45.03 | ScottG489 | caf: /dev/mapper/scott--server--vg-root |
| 21:45.14 | ScottG489 | caf: scott-server was the hostname i gave it |
| 21:45.52 | smj | Is the only other option cross-compiling Qt with the MinGW toolchain I have? |
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| 21:46.19 | kingsley_ | ScottG489: I'd look in grub's configuration file and compare its recovery section to the default boot section. If you see something obvious, fine. If not, I'd disable the splash screen by not passing that parameter to the kernel. That might reveal more diagnostic info. That might reveal a more useful error message to search Google's indices for. |
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| 21:47.00 | kingsley_ | diverdude: Are you sure you have nfs installed? Can you post the output of dpkg in a pastebin? |
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| 21:47.39 | kingsley_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. What keywords did you use? |
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| 21:49.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley_, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amount+of+debian+users |
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| 21:54.18 | caf | ScottG489: in the initramfs shell, does /dev/mapper/scott--server--vg-root seem to exist? |
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| 21:59.46 | caf | (ie does "ls /dev/mapper/scott*" show something?) |
| 21:59.58 | ScottG489 | caf: can't check atm. but one thing that strikes me as odd is that the hostname is scott-server but it used two dashes |
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| 22:02.53 | v-fpiris | hey guys.. did anyone configured to run intel n nvidia together to work with X? |
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| 22:09.13 | caf | ScottG489: OK, well you can try hitting 'e' when grub appears during bootup, which should let you edit the kernel commandline, and add "rootdelay=10" to the end |
| 22:09.36 | wald0 | how does debian to not ask the password of the encrypted partition ? what is the purpose to have it crypted if you can boot it without request the password ? |
| 22:09.40 | caf | that will make the bootup process wait longer for your vg to appear, could well be the problem |
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| 22:09.53 | caf | if that works, then you'll want to add something like that to your grub config permanently |
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| 22:11.37 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:11.42 | ScottG489 | caf: ok booting now |
| 22:12.09 | p3rror | whe I run ifconfig I see that RX has very high value |
| 22:12.22 | p3rror | All I need is to trace from where come all this consummation of bandwidth from which socket or which process |
| 22:12.41 | ScottG489 | caf that ls command doesn't show anything btw |
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| 22:13.29 | ScottG489 | file not fuond |
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| 22:18.09 | ScottG489 | caf: when i add that line it outputs a little more before failing |
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| 22:25.54 | elkingrey | For free software junkies like myself, I'm seeing a flaw in the fact that my computer is protected by a router firewall that is running proprietary software for its firmware. That sounds like a security risk, to me. I suppose I would need to run my own software firewall on Debian in order to not be dependent on corporate closed source software. Aside from that, is there such a thing as quality routers for sale that come with free software as its firmwa |
| 22:25.54 | elkingrey | re? |
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| 22:29.07 | LtL | elkingrey: so install tomato, dd-wrt or other firmware on it, provided it's been tested on said router. |
| 22:29.31 | michelfp | Hello. I get the following error message " |
| 22:29.31 | michelfp | configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 22:29.31 | michelfp | " when trying to perform ./configure |
| 22:30.03 | LtL | michelfp: install build-essential |
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| 22:30.56 | michelfp | LtL: thank you, it works now. |
| 22:31.30 | LtL | michelfp: ok, good. |
| 22:31.34 | elkingrey | LtL: I think the router was provided by the ISP? Would that void the contract or anything? Also, it's not my router, we're running on my landlady's internet account. Do you think there would be any problem from doing something like that? Do you know of any FOSS friendly routers out there? What does RMS use? |
| 22:32.59 | LtL | elkingrey: you would need to find the exact model number and check say dd-wrt for compatibility. Don't know about 'RMS.' |
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| 22:33.38 | LtL | elkingrey: If the ISP provided it, that could be a sketchy proposition. |
| 22:34.38 | caf | ScottG489: same failure at the end though? |
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| 22:35.15 | LtL | elkingrey: personally i wouldn't trust any ISP provided router. plug in a test router and see if it works first. |
| 22:37.17 | LtL | elkingrey: I've been using dd-wrt on linksys routers for years and i love compared to the stock firmware. |
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| 22:40.18 | rypervenche | I use OpenWRT, gotta say I like it more than DD-wrt, but they're all cool. |
| 22:40.34 | elkingrey | LtL: Okay, thanks! |
| 22:40.44 | LtL | rypervenche: openWRT also very good |
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| 22:42.54 | ScottG489 | caf: yes |
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| 22:49.13 | caf | ScottG489: hmm you might need to wait for someone who has more experience with LVM to show up, sorry :/ |
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| 22:51.23 | caf | for some reason your lvm volume group isn't showing up |
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| 22:54.53 | nkuttler | smj: ask qt developers |
| 22:55.01 | nkuttler | smj: never mind |
| 22:55.11 | ScottG489 | caf: im gonna try installing without lvm |
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| 22:59.14 | michelfp | hello again. when trying to run 'make', I get the error: "cc1plus: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set" and I have no idea of what it means or what could be causing it |
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| 23:00.42 | Atrs | hi |
| 23:01.20 | Atrs | I've just installed Debian 7 but the button maximize/minimize doesn't appears in the windows ? how can I solve that ? |
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| 23:01.51 | Atrs | I can't also create icons in the desktop ? is that normal ? |
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| 23:04.11 | ScottG489 | caf: i went into rescue mode on the deb installer and it looks like scott--server--vg-home is indeed there |
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| 23:10.03 | caf | ScottG489: if its there in the rescue mode but in your initramfs shell then that means the volume group is there, but the initramfs isn't setting it up properly |
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| 23:10.52 | ScottG489 | any idea on how to fix? |
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| 23:13.45 | caf | sorry not really - the next step would be figuring out _why_ lvm isn't setting up your vg in the initramfs environment, but i don't know enough about lvm to help with that - maybe someone who does will come around later though |
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| 23:16.03 | Grav | how can i copy var/www folder? |
| 23:16.16 | Grav | to other disk |
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| 23:16.42 | Grav | it stops with software caused connection abort |
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| 23:17.00 | petn-randall | ScottG489: Did you set up your LVM on a RAID? |
| 23:17.51 | digdilem | Grav, how are you trying to copy it? |
| 23:18.01 | Grav | copy paste and cp |
| 23:18.20 | Grav | to other disk, but its ntfs file system |
| 23:18.25 | Grav | can this be a problem? |
| 23:18.39 | petn-randall | Grav: paste the full output of the cp copy to http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:18.39 | Grav | because it copies everything but var/www |
| 23:18.41 | digdilem | something like "cp /var/www /otherdisk -R" |
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| 23:19.27 | Grav | its just cp: cannot create regular file, Software caused connection abort |
| 23:19.39 | digdilem | you don't have write privs on the target dir |
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| 23:20.05 | digdilem | i guess you'll need to mount that ntfs partition in read/write mode instead of ro |
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| 23:20.20 | Grav | but i can copy other folders there |
| 23:20.27 | Grav | it breaks at www |
| 23:20.43 | petn-randall | Grav: NTFS can't handle ACLS, amongst other things. |
| 23:20.56 | petn-randall | Grav: Maybe your disk is failing, check /var/log/kern.log |
| 23:21.23 | digdilem | could try tarring it up to /tmp and untarring that to target |
| 23:21.29 | Grav | disk is ok, it only fails at www folder, i copied everything else i needed |
| 23:21.34 | Grav | its jsut for backup |
| 23:21.55 | Grav | maybe i can tra with tar |
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| 23:23.52 | Grav | why cant it just work, there are always some problems with linux... |
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| 23:25.17 | ksdncv_ | using ntfs is asking for trouble |
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| 23:25.48 | petn-randall | Grav: How do you know your disk is ok? |
| 23:27.01 | XayOn | That "Software caused connection abort" sounds like the /var/www is mounted over network or similar |
| 23:28.43 | ttyS1 | I'm running wheezy. I just installed xoscope but when i run it it says "opening /dev/dsp No such file or directory" on the debian wiki it says i shold install oss-compat I installed that but I still get the same error. |
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| 23:36.17 | ScottG489 | petn-randall: nope |
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| 23:43.54 | jiohdi | ttyS1, what sort of device is dsp? |
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| 23:44.34 | LtL | jiohdi: sound i believe |
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| 23:45.06 | jiohdi | if it is not finding one, doesn't that mean that that particular hardware is not there? |
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| 23:45.13 | ksdncv_ | jiohdi oss way of accessing soundcard |
| 23:45.33 | elysium | wheee |
| 23:45.40 | elysium | dist-upgrade on my server time |
| 23:45.44 | elysium | wish me luck |
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| 23:46.08 | elysium | to all contributors -- thanks for a great distro for as many years as it's been one |
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| 23:54.47 | digdilem | doomed |
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