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| 00:44.53 | odra | Hey |
| 00:45.51 | master_j | yo |
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| 00:46.35 | master_j | any idea why this isn't working for me: $ sudo tasksel --new-install /// tasksel: apt-get failed (100) |
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| 00:49.00 | zykotick9 | master_j: lol. well that will teach me for testing commands on my own system! "tasksel --new-install" is doing something on my box (and i wish it wasn't), i'd never seen that before. |
| 00:49.09 | master_j | oh, watch out |
| 00:49.46 | master_j | hmm. well it's not working for me. i uninstalled a bunch of programs and my ipv6 isn't working and i just wanted to get back to a bare-bones install. |
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| 00:50.11 | themill | that's not the purpose of tasksel |
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| 00:51.32 | master_j | any additional information you have themill? |
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| 00:51.48 | master_j | besides i'm doing it wrong |
| 00:53.06 | themill | master_j: you can try asking aptitude to uninstall everything priority optional or extra, but be warned that includes your kernel and bootloader. /msg dpkg uninstall everything. I can't imagine that anything tasksel is doing there would change ipv6 though |
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| 00:54.14 | master_j | yes. i did that, that is the problem. i meant i'm trying to re-install what is default in debian. i think i'm missing some packages that come by default. or a pointer to install all 'required' and 'important' packages, because i can't figure out how to do that. |
| 00:55.00 | themill | master_j: "aptitude install ~prequired ~pimportant ~pstandard" matches the "Standard task" in tasksel |
| 00:55.30 | master_j | oh, i uninstalled a bunch of standard packages. that is probably the problem. thanks! |
| 00:56.09 | master_j | there seems to not be a lot of information to do that on google |
| 00:56.58 | themill | yeah, I guess "don't do that" is probably the normal answer ;) |
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| 00:57.49 | themill | master_j: you may well decide that you don't actually want all of "standard" priority; you can add "packagename:" to that command line (or type -packagename at the Y/n/q/? prompt in aptitude interactive resolver) to omit them |
| 00:59.15 | master_j | ok, sweet |
| 00:59.36 | master_j | well, yeah, i know, i shouldn't have downgraded :x but.. it seems to have worked for the most part |
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| 01:00.15 | master_j | normal is so boring |
| 01:00.34 | master_j | but i can imagine helping stupid is too |
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| 01:03.16 | master_j | dselect should work too right |
| 01:03.17 | dselect | master_j: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 01:03.53 | themill | master_j: you'd be one of the only dselect users around... |
| 01:03.55 | themill | dselect: shush |
| 01:03.57 | dselect | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 01:04.17 | master_j | heh, it works pretty good |
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| 01:22.56 | mekeor | is there a way i can install "fsviewer" from squeeze (oldstable) on sid (unstable)? |
| 01:23.59 | nkuttler | mekeor: you can try to forward port it |
| 01:24.27 | mekeor | nkuttler: how? |
| 01:25.04 | nkuttler | !tell mekeor about ssbp |
| 01:25.08 | themill | there's a chance it won't compile with modern gcc |
| 01:25.16 | nkuttler | mekeor: basically same thing, install build deps, build source package |
| 01:25.43 | nkuttler | mekeor: yeah, if it's not in debian any more there's usually a reason for that.. |
| 01:25.48 | nkuttler | ,v fsviwer |
| 01:25.50 | judd | No package named 'fsviwer' was found in i386. |
| 01:25.52 | nkuttler | ,v fsviewer |
| 01:25.53 | judd | Package: fsviewer on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.5-6.1 |
| 01:25.59 | mekeor | hm :( |
| 01:26.15 | themill | ,bug rm fsviewer |
| 01:26.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/656935 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: fsviewer -- abandoned upstream; unmaintained in Debian; RC-buggy»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-01-22; last modified: 2012-02-21. |
| 01:26.51 | mekeor | may i once more ask for whether you guys know a file browser for (debian) linux supporting miller columns then? |
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| 01:27.00 | mekeor | s/for// |
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| 01:32.31 | ksuhku | mekeor, according to Wikipedia: ranger tkdesk |
| 01:32.40 | mekeor | ksuhku: yeah, i wrote that... |
| 01:32.44 | ksuhku | :) |
| 01:33.01 | mekeor | ksuhku: contra ranger: it's TUI, i want GUI. |
| 01:33.25 | mekeor | ksuhku: contra tkdesk: ugly, old, crappy, ... |
| 01:33.30 | mekeor | :) |
| 01:33.49 | ksuhku | what about some version of thunar/dolphin? |
| 01:34.02 | themill | tkdesk claims to be an X11 program |
| 01:34.47 | mekeor | ksuhku: well, thunar canceled the development of the branch implementing miller columns |
| 01:34.53 | mekeor | same with dolphin. |
| 01:35.00 | mmnicolas | wonder why |
| 01:35.03 | mekeor | nautilus never even tried it, afaik |
| 01:35.10 | themill | (probably because most people find them insanely annoying) |
| 01:35.17 | ksuhku | :D |
| 01:35.21 | mekeor | mmnicolas: dolphin devs said it's too hard to maintain since it's very complex code |
| 01:35.40 | mekeor | → see wikipedia references ;) |
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| 01:37.40 | mekeor | well, and marlin and pantheon files are not in the official debian repos and they seem to be really hard to install manually because they have "deep dependencies" :/ |
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| 01:38.33 | mekeor | i mean, come on; this concept is 30 years old and really useful! it's a shame that there's no real implementation of it (on debian)... :( |
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| 01:39.03 | mekeor | or... what do you think? |
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| 01:40.14 | mekeor | (deep dependencies → on elementary-os-libraries, i mean) |
| 01:40.25 | mekeor | *SIGH* |
| 01:41.40 | themill | mekeor: debian packages are made by people who think these things are useful (just as upstream code is). If you think it's useful, then perhaps you'd like to package it for debian? /msg dpkg nmg |
| 01:42.23 | mekeor | themill: i couldn't even build it myself... :( maybe i should try again/harder. |
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| 01:42.44 | mekeor | s/myself/on my own system/ |
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| 01:57.33 | larks | can't seem to get freq scaling to work on my computer |
| 01:57.58 | larks | it's dual e5430s |
| 01:58.36 | larks | ERROR: could not insert 'acpi_cpufreq': No such device |
| 01:58.45 | larks | trying with a couple of other modules, all a no go |
| 01:59.27 | larks | speedstep_lib is loaded though |
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| 02:00.20 | ur0pl | hi |
| 02:00.30 | ur0pl | out of the box does debian have a GUI or CUI? |
| 02:00.39 | ksuhku | depends |
| 02:00.46 | ur0pl | wow |
| 02:00.46 | ur0pl | that is a loaded answer |
| 02:00.57 | larks | depends on if you select a GUI or notin the install |
| 02:00.59 | ksuhku | your choice, that's what debian is all about |
| 02:01.01 | master_j | i think you have the option of install a bare-bones system, but usually it comes with gnome 3. |
| 02:01.13 | ur0pl | what makes DEBIAN better than installing UBUNTU? |
| 02:01.25 | master_j | better is subjective :) |
| 02:01.30 | ur0pl | look |
| 02:01.30 | ksuhku | better irc channel |
| 02:01.33 | master_j | lol |
| 02:01.37 | ur0pl | i am tired of the answers i have been getting here |
| 02:01.38 | ur0pl | please stop |
| 02:01.40 | ur0pl | now |
| 02:01.54 | master_j | it's faster... |
| 02:01.57 | ur0pl | What makes Debian better FOR ME than installing Ubuntu |
| 02:01.57 | ur0pl | okay |
| 02:02.10 | ur0pl | faster because it includes faster hardware? |
| 02:02.12 | ur0pl | out of the box, so to speak |
| 02:02.13 | ksuhku | it's not owned by a blood thirsty company |
| 02:02.19 | master_j | no, because it has less cruft by default. |
| 02:02.23 | master_j | afaik |
| 02:02.25 | ur0pl | i think ubuntu is open source freeware |
| 02:02.42 | ur0pl | oh, i see |
| 02:02.42 | ksuhku | spyware |
| 02:02.44 | themill | dpkg: tell ur0pl about why debian |
| 02:02.55 | ur0pl | cruft? |
| 02:02.56 | master_j | they are pretty similar... |
| 02:02.56 | Christoff522 | ur0pl: You can just get the netinstall and then install standard system utilities, no DE. its somewhat beyond me but something I have tried (today in fact) but it was sadly too barebones for me. Also, Ubuntu has lots of daemons, and also too many bugs, its what keeps it slow. Debian doesn't install as much stuff as ubuntu does ootb |
| 02:02.57 | master_j | yeah, it comes with less included software |
| 02:03.00 | themill | ur0pl: as for the "for me" part, only you can answer that. Try both. |
| 02:03.10 | ur0pl | omfg, you used cruft, i never seen anyone euse that word |
| 02:03.18 | ur0pl | themill, do you watch a lot of star wars? |
| 02:03.21 | master_j | ubuntu is based on debian, so debian is more debian than ubuntu. |
| 02:03.21 | ksuhku | irc more bro |
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| 02:03.42 | ur0pl | i think ubuntu is better for my netbook, no? |
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| 02:03.58 | ur0pl | because it is just click and click |
| 02:03.59 | ur0pl | debian requires more CUI usage i think |
| 02:04.02 | themill | ur0pl: I think you've got your answer now. |
| 02:04.04 | master_j | probably. |
| 02:04.34 | master_j | debian would most likely require more manual customization |
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| 02:04.55 | master_j | for anything |
| 02:04.57 | pikhq_ | Hi, I'm trying to use ntfs-3g to mount a filesystem. It apparently can't run except as root (which is silly for a FUSE filesystem, but I digress). When it is suid root (which I accomplished via dpkg-reconfigure ntfs-3g), it still won't work, claiming that it is "insecure with an external FUSE library." |
| 02:04.59 | ksuhku | debian is not for newbies |
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| 02:05.12 | ur0pl | i used to use slackware, and netbsd, and openbsd, and freebsd, like 10+ years ago |
| 02:05.17 | pikhq_ | IS there any way to resolve this without just compiling it myself and installing in /usr/local? |
| 02:05.25 | ArtyG | ksuhku, I dunno, I'm a pretty hardcore newbie and it feels just fine to me. |
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| 02:05.28 | ur0pl | that was when i had too much freetime on my hands maybe |
| 02:05.52 | ksuhku | ArtyG, hardcore newbies are different :) |
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| 02:06.47 | master_j | pikhq_: you have gvfs installed? |
| 02:06.50 | ksuhku | debian you set up once, ubuntu you will have to nurture every single day |
| 02:07.10 | pikhq_ | master_j: I... don't see why that would matter? |
| 02:07.23 | pikhq_ | But yes, I do |
| 02:07.30 | master_j | it probably doesn't. i'm not sure but i remembre having to be root to mount ntfs without it. |
| 02:07.48 | master_j | gvfs-fuse was the package that fixed that for me. |
| 02:07.50 | ur0pl | okay |
| 02:08.01 | ur0pl | now why is debian better than any bsd? |
| 02:08.20 | master_j | ur0pl: try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:08.28 | ur0pl | thanks |
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| 02:08.36 | pikhq_ | master_j: Changed nothing. |
| 02:09.10 | master_j | not sure. |
| 02:10.09 | pikhq_ | installs to /usr/local then |
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| 02:11.59 | SARC | I am installing mysql as part of a script in debian... is the only way to store the root password for installation to put it in debconf-set-selections? |
| 02:12.21 | zeroxia | Hi. I have two remote hosts: "wagon" and "pad", both have sshd listening on port 8080. I have configured ~/.ssh/config as such. And "ssh wagon" or "ssh pad" are working. But "scp wagon:FILE pad" would fail: ssh: connect to host pad.zeroxia.org port 22: Connection refused. --- Why is that? Here is a demo: http://ascii.io/a/3298 |
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| 02:13.49 | larks | hur dur, BIOS settings |
| 02:14.05 | themill | SARC: yes, preseeding debconf with answers like this is the normal way of doing it |
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| 02:15.19 | SARC | themill: whats the best way to remove those passwords after the installation is finished? |
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| 02:16.25 | ur0pl | hi |
| 02:16.30 | ur0pl | for debian distro |
| 02:16.40 | ur0pl | which files do i neeed. i need more than one |
| 02:16.51 | ur0pl | hd-media, i pick them all i guess huh |
| 02:17.05 | ur0pl | or can i just use the boot.img.gz |
| 02:17.05 | ksuhku | don't guess, you get it wrong |
| 02:17.18 | ksuhku | 32 or 64 bit? |
| 02:17.22 | ur0pl | 64 |
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| 02:17.31 | ksuhku | decent internet connection? |
| 02:17.35 | ur0pl | yes |
| 02:17.39 | ur0pl | better than mike's |
| 02:17.52 | ksuhku | so get the netinstall for 64 bit wheezy (debian 7) |
| 02:18.00 | ksuhku | AMD64 |
| 02:18.02 | themill | SARC: does the postinst not do that already? |
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| 02:18.19 | ur0pl | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 02:18.28 | ur0pl | i totally do not see "netinstall" in the manifest |
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| 02:18.58 | themill | ur0pl: why don't you start at www.debian.org? |
| 02:20.06 | master_j | ur0pl: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ -> see the link 64-bit PC netinst iso 32-bit PC netinst iso |
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| 02:21.03 | ksuhku | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:21.05 | rampage1973 | .. |
| 02:21.17 | ur0pl | oh |
| 02:21.19 | ur0pl | thanks |
| 02:21.23 | ksuhku | sure |
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| 02:22.22 | ur0pl | now, for future references, i would need boot.img.gz, initrd.gz vmlinuz and initrd.gz on a usb stick if i didn't want a net install? |
| 02:23.15 | master_j | have you installed linux since the 90s? :p |
| 02:23.29 | ur0pl | just ubuntu |
| 02:23.30 | ur0pl | click click |
| 02:23.50 | master_j | that's how debian installer is pretty much. i don't know how to manually install it, or even if that's supported. |
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| 02:24.22 | master_j | it's not LFS |
| 02:24.31 | themill | those images are for pxe/netboot/tftp/etc |
| 02:24.58 | ur0pl | i se |
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| 02:30.05 | ur0pl | in yumi |
| 02:30.20 | ur0pl | it says debian live 7 gnome, kde, or lxde |
| 02:30.27 | ur0pl | what s this netinstall |
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| 02:31.32 | ur0pl | [apparently, it isn't debian live |
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| 02:32.48 | master_j | no, netinstall isn't a live CD |
| 02:33.33 | master_j | it pulls packages from the net to install, instead of having them on CD |
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| 02:42.32 | ur0pl | kde , gnome or lxde |
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| 02:45.29 | master_j | kde: like windows. gnome: new, controversial, lxde: simple. |
| 02:45.35 | master_j | i don't use either of them :) |
| 02:45.49 | ur0pl | i thought gnome was the oldest |
| 02:45.59 | ur0pl | so you use CUI? |
| 02:46.01 | master_j | well gnome3 just came out, it's a complete redesign |
| 02:46.14 | master_j | no, i use MATE, but it's not in official debian repos yet. |
| 02:46.20 | master_j | there's also xfce |
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| 02:46.40 | master_j | you can pick one, and install multiples and switch back & forth. |
| 02:46.46 | ur0pl | what are you comments on xfce? |
| 02:46.47 | master_j | so it's not too important. |
| 02:47.16 | master_j | it's great. just not all the bells & whistles i like. |
| 02:47.26 | master_j | but it's probably improved since i used it last |
| 02:49.00 | tharkun | ur0pl: I can say that it is a nice gnome replacement. This new redisign is a resources hog whith lots of failures yet to be streamlined |
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| 02:50.40 | ksuhku | kde is the oldest |
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| 02:51.11 | ksuhku | lxde is the youngest |
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| 02:51.39 | Basil1x | Where can I find rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin ? |
| 02:51.52 | Arrowmaster | firmware-realtek |
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| 02:52.36 | Basil1x | and where is that? I have a computer stuck mid-install, and I'm assuming my wifi will be useless without that file. |
| 02:53.11 | Arrowmaster | its in the nonfree part of the repos |
| 02:53.48 | master_j | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek |
| 02:53.52 | alusion | Wheezy + KDE master race |
| 02:54.00 | alusion | who has installed KDE+I3 ? |
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| 02:56.01 | Basil1x | I see it there, but I need it on my USB stick. a list with the file I want on it doesn't do me much good. |
| 02:56.18 | master_j | you can download it from that page |
| 02:56.41 | dvs | Basil1x: You should have used the nonfree firmware installer |
| 02:56.58 | Basil1x | Lovely... where is that, pls? |
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| 02:57.53 | Arrowmaster | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/ |
| 02:57.58 | dvs | Basil1x: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/ |
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| 02:58.19 | dvs | Arrowmaster: don't believe you. ;-) |
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| 02:59.10 | Basil1x | will that work if it's not a netinstall? |
| 03:00.07 | SARC | Is there a way to get the package name from a metapackage from the command line? For example, to find out that "mysql-server-5.5" is the package pointed to by "mysql-server"? |
| 03:00.35 | dvs | It is a net install. If you don't want a netinstall then you'll have to download the firmware separately. |
| 03:01.42 | Basil1x | Nevermind, then. On to distro #21. Thanks, anyway. Too much of a faff. |
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| 03:02.18 | master_j | to dl one file. lol |
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| 03:02.26 | master_j | i can see it though |
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| 03:08.16 | unheeding | why does terminator suck |
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| 03:12.31 | SARC | Well here's what I am trying to do. I have a script that does an unattended install of mysql. I store the root password, and use apt to install. Instead of specifying mysql-server5.5 (or whatever the latest version would be at any given time), I use the metapackage name mysql-server. When I try to purge the root password from the selections database, I cannot use the package name mysql-server, |
| 03:12.31 | SARC | because the ownership package is mysql-server-5.5. So, I was wondering how I can get mysql-server-5.5 (or whatever the latest version would be at any given time) from the mysql-server metapackage |
| 03:12.42 | caf | SARC: apt-cache show mysql-server | grep ^Depends |
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| 03:14.55 | ksuhku | unheeding, so that john connor can beat it |
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| 03:15.32 | unheeding | does the maintainer just not care about us? :( |
| 03:15.50 | caf | you might be better off using dpkg -S to search for the package owning a particular installed file, though |
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| 03:21.02 | SARC | caf: Thanks for your advice. I have the output " Depends: mysql-server-5.5" Now all I need to do is omit the " Depends: " part. |
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| 03:23.43 | caf | you should actually use dpkg -s mysql-server | grep ^Depends (dpkg shows the currently-installed package, apt-cache shows the package(s) available through apt) |
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| 03:24.53 | caf | dpkg -s mysql-server | grep ^Depends | cut -d ' ' -f 2 |
| 03:24.54 | dpkg | You Fool! mysql-server | grep ^Depends | cut -d ' ' -f 2 is installed! |
| 03:24.55 | subb1 | hi debian. |
| 03:25.16 | caf | ^^ that should get you the package name |
| 03:25.38 | SARC | caf: sweet! thanks |
| 03:26.01 | subb1 | is /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate and /usr/bin/updatedb same? because I always use 'updatedb' to manually update the mlocate database but I'm seeing the former in the cron.daily cron for mlocate? Which one to use? |
| 03:26.19 | caf | although again, if you want to purge the package that owns a particular file, you're better off using dpkg -S <filename> to find the package |
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| 03:28.07 | subb1 | oh nvm I found it. /usr/bin/updatedb is a link to /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate :) |
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| 03:37.12 | themill | SARC: I don't think this is necessary. |
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| 03:42.19 | phantomcircuit | is it possible to have both postgresql 8.4 and 9.1 installed and running at the same time? (on different ports) |
| 03:45.32 | phantomcircuit | hell is it possible to install 8.4 in wheezy at all |
| 03:45.35 | Rusty1 | there is a #postgresql channel if nobody here answers right away |
| 03:45.54 | phantomcircuit | Rusty1, i know i've asked there as well |
| 03:46.09 | phantomcircuit | there doesn't appear to even be an 8.4 package |
| 03:46.23 | phantomcircuit | can i install a squeeze package to get 8.4 so i can migrate my data |
| 03:46.24 | phantomcircuit | ? |
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| 03:46.55 | caf | yes |
| 03:47.04 | phantomcircuit | caf, ok how would i go about doing that? |
| 03:47.08 | phantomcircuit | do i have to find the .deb? |
| 03:48.43 | caf | the easiest way is to add the squeeze source line back into your sources.list, then apt-get install postgresql-8.4 |
| 03:49.01 | caf | (you can have both squeeze and wheezy source lines in your sources.list at the same time) |
| 03:49.35 | caf | the packages shouldn't conflict |
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| 03:50.17 | phantomcircuit | caf, nvm there's a postgresql maintained repo that has them |
| 03:50.25 | phantomcircuit | thank you though |
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| 03:51.26 | caf | i think you'd be better off with the squeeze package, since the debian postgresql packages are designed to play nicely together |
| 03:51.39 | themill | phantomcircuit: you shouldn't need the squeeze package just to migrate your data |
| 03:52.02 | phantomcircuit | themill, the 8.4 data store isn't compatible with 9.1 |
| 03:52.09 | phantomcircuit | the only thing that can read 8.4 is 8.4 |
| 03:53.10 | themill | pg_upgradecluster can do that |
| 03:55.29 | phantomcircuit | themill, only if it has the old version of the binaries |
| 03:56.45 | phantomcircuit | themill, pg_upgradecluster takes 4 arguments, the bin directories for the old/new cluster and the data dirs for the old/new cluster |
| 03:56.56 | phantomcircuit | obviously without the 8.4 package i dont have those bins |
| 03:57.41 | phantomcircuit | and it requires that both old and new versions are actually running |
| 03:58.07 | grn | does anyone have problems running lxc on wheezy? |
| 03:58.20 | themill | that's not the arguments that pg_upgradecluster uses |
| 03:58.24 | grn | I cannot start a container because lxc-start hangs up |
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| 03:58.57 | phantomcircuit | themill, http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/pgupgrade.html |
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| 03:59.40 | themill | phantomcircuit: pg_upgrade != pg_upgradecluster |
| 04:01.09 | themill | phantomcircuit: but I don't really want to read a few hundred lines of perl to double check this behaviour for you. Sorry. |
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| 04:03.00 | phantomcircuit | themill, @argv = ('pg_ctlcluster', $version, $cluster, 'start'); |
| 04:03.13 | phantomcircuit | it starts the old cluster and copies just like pg_upgrade does |
| 04:04.18 | phantomcircuit | the only thing that reads postgresql 8.4 files is postgresql 8.4 |
| 04:05.12 | themill | oh. hm. Maybe I'm thinking of pg_restore which is explicitly backwards compatible. |
| 04:05.35 | phantomcircuit | probably |
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| 04:06.07 | themill | (jftr, that's a 9.1 program that can read 8.4 files) |
| 04:06.44 | jcrm | excuse my bad english, but i try. Someone know how to add script to x-chat on debian?, what is the path where be perl script for x-chat? |
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| 04:08.52 | themill | phantomcircuit: anyway, the debian maintainers for pg are normally good at maintaining an upgrade path so I would assume that the packages are co-installable. The same maintainers also look after the pg packages at apt.postgresql.org if you are stuck. |
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| 04:12.11 | rkeene | Anyone else having kernel panics in KVM in Debian 7.0 ? |
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| 04:14.04 | rkeene | http://www.rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/debian-7.0-kvm-panic.txt.htm |
| 04:14.05 | blocky2 | is there a way to run a script as soon as x or gdm launches? |
| 04:15.06 | blocky2 | i tried putting it in ~/.xsession |
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| 04:21.12 | rkeene | It's inconvient. |
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| 04:32.41 | Solupus | is there any reason why the debian logo is a dragon? |
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| 04:33.51 | jelly-home | Solupus: it's not a dragon, but an abstract swirl |
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| 04:43.42 | ksuhku | Solupus, what are you smoking dude? |
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| 04:44.10 | jelly-home | good stuff apparently? |
| 04:44.13 | raccoon_ | :-D |
| 04:44.50 | frolov | it's vortex |
| 04:45.08 | frolov | or tornado |
| 04:45.21 | Solupus | haha, someone from kali-linux told me |
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| 04:45.35 | Solupus | that the dragon from backtrack/kali-linux was from debian |
| 04:46.08 | frolov | lol |
| 04:47.00 | ksuhku | never trust a guy if he says he is a penetration tester |
| 04:47.17 | ksuhku | he's just trying to penetrate you |
| 04:47.23 | freax | yeah we got that |
| 04:48.04 | Solupus | guess i was too trusting :O =[ |
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| 04:59.17 | master_j | blocky: did you figure it out? |
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| 05:07.35 | nmschulte | Hi all. I'm using aptitude to update my sid installation, and I have a question someone may be able to answer. A package to be installed, texlive-base (version 2013, replacing 2012), says it Depends on texlive-doc-base, and it also replaces texlive-doc-base. texlive-doc-base doesn't have a newer version than the already installed 2012, and the Depends doesn't specify a version, but aptitude is complaining that texlive-base(2013) breaks texlive |
| 05:08.23 | nmschulte | Rather, texlive-base(2012) is installed, and has an update to texlive-base(2013) [I used conflicting words in that second sentence, this is to clarify what I meant there] |
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| 05:10.07 | themill | perhaps put the entire output in a pastebin |
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| 05:10.43 | themill | (iirc texlive is in the middle of a poorly handled transition at the moment that is entangled with some others -- it might not actually be installable right now) |
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| 05:11.17 | nmschulte | themill: I see where I have made a mistake, please disregard my question. I think you are spot on, as well. |
| 05:11.34 | themill | np |
| 05:13.08 | nmschulte | I think if I progress far enough through the conflict resolutions, I may be able to upgrade texlive... |
| 05:13.36 | nmschulte | It may be easier to upgrade the others, and then come back and look at texlive in isolation |
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| 05:16.19 | nmschulte | I see that I don't have the texlive | texlive-full packages installed... I suspect that would help with the issue, :). |
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| 05:18.16 | nmschulte | themill: FYI, selecting to install texlive-full, aptitude recommends a single resolution: removing texlive-doc-base. Things look good on my front. |
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| 05:19.12 | themill | yeah, texlive-doc-base doesn't seem to be updated yet |
| 05:19.33 | nmschulte | I think it's been killed. |
| 05:19.38 | themill | ah, indeed. |
| 05:19.49 | themill | I love it how the tex* packages get renamed every year. |
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| 05:20.41 | nmschulte | I recall deleting/purging texlive a while back due to [presumably] me borking it, and thus the issue I just had. |
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| 05:26.47 | nmschulte | themill: Any ideas about libsnmp-base and libsnmp15? |
| 05:27.23 | themill | similar story |
| 05:27.39 | themill | http://deb.li/xns btw |
| 05:28.06 | nmschulte | :) |
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| 05:30.01 | nmschulte | Thank you themill. Are these transitions/issues announced on the mailing list by chance? |
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| 05:30.17 | nmschulte | debian-devel, it looks like? |
| 05:30.26 | themill | nmschulte: they are (supposed to be) coordinated through the debian-release mailing list |
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| 05:32.12 | nmschulte | The one list I am not subscribed to... thank you again. |
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| 05:34.20 | nmschulte | Though it doesn't appear as though I would have been able to shed any light on the issue by following anyway |
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| 05:35.38 | nmschulte | Can you shed some light on what exactly went wrong here by chance? |
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| 05:40.59 | veek | hey i am doing a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheeze. any way to detect bird-droppings? undeleted directories, files, etc |
| 05:41.18 | veek | I forgot to use script :( |
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| 05:43.04 | themill | veek: you probably want to look at the output of "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search ~c". |
| 05:43.14 | LEDfan | Hi. I have installed postfix and dovecot on my Debian VPS. I can send E-mails but I cannot receive emails. In my logs: May 28 07:17:03 srv01 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<jonathan>, method=PLAIN, rip=, lip=, secured May 28 07:17:03 srv01 dovecot: IMAP(jonathan): Disconnected: Logged out bytes=90/79. I can receive E-mails I send from my domain, |
| 05:43.14 | LEDfan | but not outside my domain. (e.g. from gmail) I don't get any error in gmail. Yesterday it was working but I had to change the port of postfix. |
| 05:43.55 | themill | nmschulte: not without spending more time than I have spare right now to pull it apart. I'll look at the wheezy->jessie upgrade paths later. |
| 05:44.01 | mumpitze1 | LEDfan: use telnet to connect to your postfix |
| 05:44.32 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: I can connect with postifx via telnet: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] Dovecot ready. |
| 05:44.40 | mumpitze1 | that's not postfix |
| 05:45.11 | veek | themill thanks will do (am using apt-get though) |
| 05:45.20 | LEDfan | muh2000: [tobia@tobia-pc ~]$ telnet ledfan.be 587 |
| 05:45.21 | LEDfan | Trying 46.249.33.111... |
| 05:45.21 | LEDfan | Connected to ledfan.be. |
| 05:45.21 | LEDfan | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 05:45.21 | LEDfan | 220 ledfan.be ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
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| 05:45.34 | nmschulte | themill: no big deal; I would like to know for my own understanding, but if it's out of your way, don't worry about it. thanks for your help |
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| 05:47.00 | LEDfan | Sorry for the flood, I thought I copied only one line.... |
| 05:47.25 | themill | LEDfan: someone sending you mail is going to connect on port 25 not on port 587 |
| 05:47.41 | mumpitze1 | you don't receive mail on 587, that's where clients deliver their mail for sending. |
| 05:47.48 | LEDfan | themill: Ah so I need to open port 587 and 25? : |
| 05:47.48 | mumpitze1 | you receive mail on port 25 only |
| 05:47.57 | rkeene | !@@!$%^@^@^@!^@#^W |
| 05:48.14 | rkeene | Having Debian panic every 30 minutes is really annoying. |
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| 05:48.35 | tuv | rkeene: hardware problem? |
| 05:48.48 | nmschulte | rkeene: I imagine that would be. |
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| 05:49.17 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: themill: I can't telnet on port 25. Do I have add a line to master.cf? |
| 05:49.25 | rkeene | tuv, No |
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| 05:50.01 | mumpitze1 | no. by default postfix should always listen to port 25. use netstat to check where postfix listens |
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| 05:50.10 | rkeene | tuv, Apparently a long-standing bug, from what I can tell |
| 05:50.11 | boudiccas | just rteinstalling wheezy and when trying to open nautilus as 'root' i get this reply 'root@london:/home/boudiccas# nautilus No protocol specified Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display: ' how do i get round it please? |
| 05:50.17 | rkeene | http://www.rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/debian-7.0-kvm-panic.txt.htm |
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| 05:50.54 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: how are you open it as root? |
| 05:51.25 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, 'su' into root, then open at cli |
| 05:52.09 | themill | boudiccas: stop trying to run graphical things as root. Every time you do this, you break things... |
| 05:52.33 | themill | boudiccas: how many times do we have to help you revert permissions changes to ~/.Xauthority etc? |
| 05:52.38 | boudiccas | themill, boo! :) |
| 05:53.02 | boudiccas | themill, its a fresh install, only just completed |
| 05:53.08 | themill | so? |
| 05:53.21 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: the command: sudo netstat -plnt | grep ':25' |
| 05:53.21 | LEDfan | gives no output. I had to add this line 587 inet n - - - - smtpd |
| 05:53.21 | LEDfan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.21 | themill | even more reason not to screw it up |
| 05:53.33 | tuv | rkeene: how do you know it's a long-standing bug? |
| 05:54.34 | rkeene | tuv, Because of the bug report opened in 2010 and closed in 2013 because noone had updated it in a while, with no resolution. It's just a guess based on the research. |
| 05:54.45 | mumpitze1 | LEDfan: you removed that line. postfix already has it in master.cf |
| 05:54.55 | nmschulte | rkeene: what report? |
| 05:55.01 | veek | boudiccas, xhost +localhost |
| 05:55.12 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: yes. I'll search the line and try to readd it; |
| 05:55.13 | themill | veek, boudiccas: no. don't do that. |
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| 05:55.31 | themill | boudiccas: if you really need to do so, you need to use sux or gksu... but you really do not need this. |
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| 05:56.05 | nmschulte | rkeene: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2011/08/msg00156.html -- ??? |
| 05:56.29 | veek | themill, ? only 127.0 access.. anyone on the box can access X that way |
| 05:57.00 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: thanks it's working again. Thanks! Thanks! |
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| 05:57.42 | themill | dpkg: tell veek about xhost +localhost |
| 05:57.56 | themill | veek: the author of that quote maintained X in debian for many years. |
| 05:58.39 | themill | veek: it's also just the Wrong Way™ of doing it. |
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| 05:59.30 | nmschulte | rkeene: Which bug number? |
| 05:59.55 | veek | dpkg: ? |
| 05:59.56 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, veek |
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| 06:00.05 | boudiccas | themill, okay gui is out, but how to amend my sources.list from the cli please? |
| 06:00.34 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: why isn't it possible to use gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 06:00.45 | mumpitze1 | and you can also use nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:01.22 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, because i get this ' gksu leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list No protocol specified leafpad: Cannot open display: ' |
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| 06:01.52 | mumpitze1 | and you type this where? in a xterm? |
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| 06:02.18 | nmschulte | what does "echo x$DISPLAY" show, boudiccas? |
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| 06:02.49 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, into 'roxterm' |
| 06:02.52 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: "echo $DISPLAY" rather |
| 06:03.13 | nmschulte | sure. |
| 06:03.22 | veek | nmschulte, hostname:X-display |
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| 06:03.39 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, echo $DISPLAY: 0 |
| 06:04.03 | veek | man any X app and search for DISPLAY |
| 06:04.36 | nmschulte | veek: you want me to man that? |
| 06:04.46 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: export DISPLAY=:0 then try gksu again |
| 06:04.58 | boudiccas | veek, ' man xterm man: can't execute pager.sh: No such file or directory' |
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| 06:05.17 | veek | set your PAGER correctly |
| 06:05.27 | mumpitze1 | and I'm very sure you did something very badly and mangled it awfully for it to not have the proper DISPLAY environment variable. you have NOT "just installed" |
| 06:05.30 | veek | nmschulte, man xclock for eg, or xhost |
| 06:05.44 | nmschulte | I did, and it referred me to X(7), DISPLAY NAMES. |
| 06:05.49 | nmschulte | And? |
| 06:06.13 | veek | look under ENVIRONMENT bottom. sec door bell |
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| 06:07.14 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, ' export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 06:07.15 | boudiccas | [boudiccas:Tue May 28 07:05:21 @~/git/claws]$ [1972]>; gksu leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list No protocol specified leafpad: Cannot open display: ' |
| 06:07.16 | nmschulte | veek: Okay, I'm there. I don't see anything jumping out at me; no revelations. |
| 06:08.01 | boudiccas | mumpitze1, this is a stock install of lxde under wheezy without any customisation yet |
| 06:08.20 | mumpitze1 | boudiccas: you didn't do it in the terminal. and you did a lot of changes to your debian r this isn't debian. this is NOT stock. never is never was |
| 06:08.23 | veek | nmschulte, it tells you what DISPLAY contains |
| 06:08.24 | nmschulte | boudiccas: try: setenv DISPLAY :0 |
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| 06:08.43 | mumpitze1 | nmschulte: by default there is no csh. he uses a "stock install" |
| 06:08.51 | nmschulte | Sure. How is this exercise relevant? |
| 06:08.53 | nmschulte | mumpitze1: roger. |
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| 06:09.11 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: It worked 5 mins ago, but now I can't send emails outside my domain: relay acces denied. |
| 06:09.14 | rkeene | nmschulte, Looking back at the history, it was an Ubuntu bug that was opened in 2010 and closed in 2013 that I was referring to and not a Debian one. Sorry. |
| 06:09.34 | mumpitze1 | LEDfan: are you in a dynamic IP range? |
| 06:09.44 | nmschulte | rkeene: No problem. I would make a new bug report, and perhaps refer to the Ubuntu bug if you feel it's relevant. |
| 06:09.56 | nmschulte | I'd be curious to see that bug if you have it. |
| 06:09.56 | boudiccas | nmschulte, sudo: setenv: command not found |
| 06:09.58 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: my server has a static ip and a domain name. |
| 06:09.59 | mumpitze1 | LEDfan: and we need more info to know what you are doing |
| 06:10.09 | nmschulte | boudiccas: yeah, that was my bad; ignore that one. |
| 06:10.31 | mumpitze1 | LEDfan: you need to config your postfix to do smtpd auth and deliver your mails to 587 |
| 06:10.40 | nmschulte | rkeene: are you using Intel Wireless WiFi? |
| 06:10.48 | LEDfan | Okay mumpitze1: I think that's the problem. |
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| 06:11.16 | rkeene | nmschulte, No, there is no WiFi at all in use |
| 06:11.19 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: I have these two lines in /etc/postfix/master.cf 587 inet n - - - - smtpd smtp inet n - n - - smtd |
| 06:11.31 | mumpitze1 | LEDfan: you are sending mail from your thunderbird from at home to your VPS postfix to send mail out. and postfix doesn't want to relay, unless you configure and use smtpd auth |
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| 06:11.42 | mumpitze1 | e.g you log in to your postfix and send |
| 06:11.53 | mumpitze1 | log in with username/password that is |
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| 06:12.12 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: yes idd. But I don't know how to configure. |
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| 06:12.30 | LEDfan | mumpitze1: It's quite logic :P |
| 06:12.46 | rkeene | nmschulte, I will -- I was trying to search for a related bug but apparently that's broken. |
| 06:13.05 | mumpitze1 | LEDfan: postfix.org has various howtos for smtpd auth. and workaroung.org has a full one too |
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| 06:13.34 | rkeene | bugs.debian.org links to http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi, which returns Forbidden |
| 06:13.38 | nmschulte | rkeene: I can never figure out how to use the bug search feature, :/ |
| 06:14.02 | rkeene | nmschulte, My guess is you don't since it's just a dead link |
| 06:14.36 | nmschulte | rkeene: try http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 06:15.16 | nmschulte | the HyperEstraier link is broken for me as well. File a report? |
| 06:15.22 | rkeene | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi, which returns Forbidden |
| 06:15.41 | rkeene | I assume someone else has filed a bug report on that already and I just can't search for it |
| 06:15.57 | nmschulte | haha |
| 06:16.06 | nmschulte | well, there are other ways to search for reports, listed on that page. |
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| 06:20.27 | Streusel | Can anyone suggest a good networking tool that graphs bandwidth usage in realtime? |
| 06:20.52 | nmschulte | Streusel: iftop |
| 06:21.08 | Streusel | heard of that, wasn't too sure because of the lack of reviews for it |
| 06:21.21 | Streusel | there was another if<name> that I forgot about though |
| 06:21.26 | Streusel | ifstat maybe, don't remember |
| 06:21.38 | nmschulte | As well, the Tomato firmware on my router has a very swank HTML/CSS/JS real-time bandwidth viewer. |
| 06:21.45 | nmschulte | I'm not certain what tools back it, though. |
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| 06:21.56 | Streusel | >< |
| 06:22.07 | nmschulte | But you have something to base a search off of now! |
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| 06:22.46 | Streusel | already knew of iftop :< that's why I came here to hear about other potential names, or at least hear of it again so that I may actually choose it.. |
| 06:22.48 | nmschulte | rkeene: my search (src-pkg:linux-2.6 & title includes "divide error") returns only this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636797 |
| 06:22.54 | Streusel | not going to install some random tool on it.. |
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| 06:23.02 | nmschulte | I expect that isn't yours though, and yours seems related to kvm. |
| 06:23.08 | mumpitze1 | Streusel: iptraf |
| 06:23.18 | veek | Streusel, gkrellm.. not sure .. works with X |
| 06:23.20 | nmschulte | iftop is great, IMO. if you need to log the data, I don't know if it can do that. |
| 06:23.25 | mumpitze1 | ntop |
| 06:23.43 | nmschulte | keep 'em comin guys! |
| 06:24.24 | veek | Streusel, it's a tiny icon like thingy that sits on your display.. does CPU/network.. pretty much anything |
| 06:24.41 | Streusel | hmmm |
| 06:24.43 | rkeene | nmschulte, They both have kvm_arch_vcpu_ioctl_run in the call-path (mine is 3.2.0 not 2.6, so this could mean something or nothing) |
| 06:24.46 | Streusel | sounds gui o-o |
| 06:24.57 | Streusel | I only access it via cmd line tho |
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| 06:25.15 | nmschulte | Streusel: you should have clarified. |
| 06:25.16 | nmschulte | :) |
| 06:25.32 | Streusel | now you know ;) |
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| 06:25.40 | rkeene | nmschulte, But clearly they are doing kvm as well. |
| 06:26.29 | nmschulte | Streusel: this looks relevant: http://www.soft-haus.com/wiki/index.php5?title=IPTables_Bandwidth_Monitor |
| 06:26.41 | Streusel | thanks nmschulte |
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| 06:27.13 | nmschulte | A quick read says: This tool is primarily designed to add support for bandwidth and website monitoring per IP Address in conjunction with the latest tomato firmware. |
| 06:27.31 | Streusel | hmm |
| 06:27.33 | nmschulte | which implies to me that the stuff I was referring to in Tomato isn't based upon that. |
| 06:27.37 | nmschulte | But it may shed some light |
| 06:27.37 | Streusel | since I don't use tomato I doubt it'll help me |
| 06:27.48 | nmschulte | Well, Tomato is based on Linux |
| 06:27.53 | nmschulte | So that is helpful |
| 06:27.58 | nmschulte | I mean, it is linux. |
| 06:28.12 | nmschulte | I can look at my kernel logs if you wish. |
| 06:28.22 | Streusel | naw it's all good |
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| 06:28.33 | Streusel | I'll just stick to non graph stuff then |
| 06:28.37 | Streusel | until I'm sure of what I want |
| 06:28.45 | Streusel | or what I feel comfortable with at least.. |
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| 06:29.41 | nmschulte | I'm glad I found this though! Now I can rate limit my pesky roommates' comms w/ Apple, etc. |
| 06:29.52 | nmschulte | Streusel: give iftop a shot, it's dirt simple. |
| 06:30.16 | rkeene | nmschulte, The resolution for that bug is unconvincing. |
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| 06:32.30 | nmschulte | rkeene: The debian bugs look open still, unless I'm misinterpreting them. Upstream claims to have fixed them, but I don't know that they ever made their way down. |
| 06:32.52 | nmschulte | I suppose it might not matter as it doesn't affect any currently supported kernel in Debian? |
| 06:33.00 | nmschulte | you should just file a new report. |
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| 06:40.45 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a strange error. I've downloaded and burned debian 7 netinstall cd. When i'm trying to boot from this CD i've got a lot of colorful sighns and server reboot. So i've redownloaded iso and burned it again, the same error. Eny ideas? |
| 06:40.49 | Upgreydd | Any ideas* |
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| 06:41.55 | nmschulte | Upgreydd: Are you presented with the syslinux bootloader at all? the screen where you choose how you wish to install Debian? |
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| 06:42.52 | Upgreydd | nmschulte: i have no this screen. In place of selection screen i've a colorfull signs :/ |
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| 06:43.12 | Upgreydd | nmschulte: maybe 2-3 sec. and reboot... |
| 06:43.22 | well_laid_lawn | sounds like a bad cd burn to me |
| 06:43.44 | veek | twice? did you check the hashes (MD5/SHA1) |
| 06:43.48 | Upgreydd | well_laid_lawn: i've redownloaded iso 3 times and burn it on 3 different CDs, the same error |
| 06:44.00 | Upgreydd | veek: hash for CD is OK :/ |
| 06:44.14 | veek | how did you check the hash for CD |
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| 06:45.13 | Upgreydd | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/ia64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-ia64-netinst.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/ia64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS i've compared it with md5sum |
| 06:45.21 | veek | ah phew! finally finished dist-upgrade. woo! |
| 06:46.02 | nmschulte | Upgreydd: What exactly do you mean by colorfull signs? |
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| 06:47.06 | nmschulte | Upgreydd: Perhaps, give this a shot as well: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD |
| 06:47.08 | Upgreydd | nmschulte: i don't know how to describe this. when i should see a boot menu from CD i've got a lot of one char random color signs |
| 06:47.20 | themill | Upgreydd: are you sure you actually want IA64? |
| 06:47.38 | nmschulte | themill: haha, nice find, :) |
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| 06:47.49 | Upgreydd | themill: i have 4 core intel xenon, so i think i should use IA64 for better performance? |
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| 06:48.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Upgreydd about ia64 |
| 06:48.03 | Psy-Q | Upgreydd: that would be x86_64 then |
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| 06:48.15 | P_B | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.17 | nmschulte | x86-64 is supported by the amd64 port of Debian. |
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| 06:49.07 | P_B | Does the bootloader on the CD use grub or lilo? |
| 06:49.08 | Upgreydd | nmschulte: soo i shouldn't install IA64? |
| 06:49.18 | themill | Upgreydd: no, you want amd64 for that beastie |
| 06:49.25 | nmschulte | Upgreydd: Correct, you want the amd64 port for ... |
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| 06:49.36 | nmschulte | Upgreydd: 4th paragraph of this page explains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 |
| 06:49.39 | P_B | It's got electrolytes. |
| 06:49.48 | Upgreydd | nmschulte, themill: ok thanks for info. I'll try |
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| 06:50.06 | themill | !qotd279 |
| 06:50.07 | dpkg | <themill> I've always thought we should have a boot-failure message on the ia64 CDs that says "You wanted amd64 you twat" <nipsy> Maybe someting a bit more polite? :) <themill> that *is* the polite version. |
| 06:50.19 | P_B | lol |
| 06:50.29 | Upgreydd | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso this version would be ok? |
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| 06:50.35 | themill | Upgreydd: yeah |
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| 06:50.45 | Upgreydd | themill: thanks :] |
| 06:50.51 | nmschulte | Upgreydd: Looks good. Be sure to verify the hashes, and perhaps the burnt disc as well. |
| 06:51.09 | nmschulte | themill: you just rememberd that qotd number? |
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| 06:52.37 | themill | nmschulte: of course! it's my 15min of fame! (also, dpkg told me it as a cross-reference from the ia64 factoid) |
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| 06:59.05 | nmschulte | I just received an email telling me I won a laptop. It then proceeds to tell me I won a BMW 5 Series car, and the International Awareness Promotion Department of BMW sent the email to ensure I was aware. Seems legit; think I'll reply. |
| 06:59.41 | jelly-home | nmschulte: it's a transformer! |
| 06:59.49 | Lehti | hey, anybody know any good in-depth articles into secure PHP sessions? |
| 07:00.09 | mumpitze1 | Lehti: ##php does |
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| 07:01.34 | Lehti | right on then-> |
| 07:01.41 | veek | any way to figure out what packages i'm not using and nuke them |
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| 07:02.02 | Lehti | pff, invite only |
| 07:02.52 | Myrtti | no, you just need to register an account of freenode |
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| 07:03.50 | somiaj | veek: what do you mean 'not using', you could look at deborphan |
| 07:04.08 | veek | cool! thanks |
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| 07:04.17 | themill | dpkg: tell veek about obsolete |
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| 07:12.25 | Upgreydd | themill: one more question, i should use expert install or standard install to add my aic79xx driver for RAID controler? |
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| 07:12.54 | Upgreydd | themill: i've never used debian in server before |
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| 07:13.49 | somiaj | so the double d isn't a double dose of debian? |
| 07:14.10 | Upgreydd | dpkg: tell me about i686 |
| 07:14.11 | somiaj | Upgreydd: I prefer the expert install myself, it just gives you all the options. |
| 07:14.22 | somiaj | Upgreydd: msg the bot, /msg dpkg i686 |
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| 07:15.34 | themill | Upgreydd: that module is already in the wheezy kernel and doesn't seem to want firmware, so there should be nothing to do |
| 07:16.09 | somiaj | seems there is just a lot of outdated info on that module on google |
| 07:16.48 | somiaj | at one time the debian kernels did not have it, but the info I see about that is only for very old 2.4.x kernels |
| 07:18.21 | nmschulte | themill: I have obsolete linux-image- and linux-headers- packages; should I purge these, or just delete/remove them? |
| 07:18.30 | themill | ,kconfig scsi_aic79xx |
| 07:18.31 | judd | Searching for 'scsi_aic79xx' in wheezy kernel config gives SCSI_AIC79XX=m. |
| 07:18.59 | themill | nmschulte: you can purge them -- there's nothing of interest left from an old kernel you don't care about |
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| 07:19.39 | nmschulte | themill: excellent; just wanted to make sure. I suppose since no new kernel package had a "Replaces:" relation, I should have known that. |
| 07:20.36 | themill | nmschulte: I don't think the kernel packages even ship any conffiles so purge isn't likely to do much |
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| 07:23.21 | nmschulte | themill: that makes sense. one more: qemu-kvm is a transitional package now that the source trees have merged (at least that's my understanding; please correct me if I'm wrong), and what it provided is in qemu-system-x86. I would like to remove the qemu-kvm package; should I delete/remove, or purge? |
| 07:24.09 | somiaj | nmschulte: apt-cache show qemu-kvm (or aptitude show qemu-kvm) |
| 07:24.12 | nmschulte | qemu-system-x86 says it Replaces: kvm and qemu-kvm; so I should not purge, is my understanding? |
| 07:24.22 | somiaj | nmschulte: that will give you info. Tranditional packages are just that, and can be safely removed |
| 07:24.35 | nmschulte | s/traditional/transitional/ |
| 07:24.50 | somiaj | yea sorry, its late, and I'm still awake |
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| 07:25.11 | themill | just take care that you don't end up with autoremoves by accident when you remove the transitional package |
| 07:25.30 | nmschulte | I still appear to have the older packages, before they went transitional. |
| 07:25.43 | nmschulte | I should install the transitionals, and then the new, and then purge/remove. |
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| 07:26.28 | somiaj | nmschulte: all transitional packages do is help in a dist-upgrade from one version of debian to the next |
| 07:26.57 | somiaj | nmschulte: but once the upgrade is complete the packages are not needed. I do not know how or what you mean by you have the older packages before they went transitional installed. |
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| 07:27.39 | nmschulte | quite literally, I have 1.1.2+dfsg-6 from testing installed, which is not a transitional package, and unstalbe has a new one, that is transitional. |
| 07:28.04 | nmschulte | I also have kvm installed, which is transitional in both distributions; that could be the source of the conflict; I have to check. |
| 07:28.08 | somiaj | nmschulte: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 07:28.39 | nmschulte | sid. |
| 07:29.09 | nmschulte | I think I see the issue; aptitude wants to upgrade both qemu-kvm (to the transitional package) as well as install qemu-system-x86. |
| 07:29.17 | somiaj | nmschulte: first off #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the prefered place to talk about sid issue. second if you are running sid, why do you have older testing packages still installed? |
| 07:29.23 | nmschulte | and that causes the conflict; the resolver can't resolve that for some reason. |
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| 07:30.07 | nmschulte | somiaj: Well, I got that information from apt-cache policy, and perhaps it's simply matching the version to testing? |
| 07:30.28 | somiaj | nmschulte: care to put your apt-ache policy at paste.debian.net |
| 07:30.57 | nmschulte | I have the testing repository pinned at 650, and unstable pinned at 700. |
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| 07:31.42 | somiaj | I wouldn't suggest mixing, either run sid or run testing. Problem is not all packages in sid make it to testing so I can see apt having trouble resovling dependecies |
| 07:31.47 | nmschulte | somiaj: happily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 |
| 07:31.49 | nmschulte | agh |
| 07:32.01 | nmschulte | http://paste.debian.net/7000/ |
| 07:32.27 | nmschulte | somiaj: Yeah. I have/had testing pinned for xserver, due to issues with the non-free fglrx driver. |
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| 07:33.05 | nmschulte | I have since built much of DRI/Mesa/X module from source, so I can probably remove/unpin that. |
| 07:33.27 | sylar | usually I can open windows from root terminal, but now I get Can't open dislplay : |
| 07:33.39 | somiaj | I see the issue, 'kvm' is now a virtual package in sid, not sure the best course to nicely upgrade in your situation nmschulte |
| 07:33.47 | nmschulte | (there was a point where the latest fglrx driver was incompatible with the distributed version of X/etc in sid) |
| 07:34.18 | nmschulte | somiaj: I think I will just remove hold/keep qemu-system-x86, and upgrade qemu-kvm to the transitional. |
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| 07:34.24 | nmschulte | then go once more, and it should work. |
| 07:34.27 | zetheroo | fsck forced on boot .. fails with code 3 ... reboots on it's own and repeats ... |
| 07:34.50 | somiaj | nmschulte: yea the issue is kvm needs to be uninstalled somewhere in there |
| 07:35.22 | somiaj | nmschulte: it is just a dummy traditional package that has become virtuial. so uninstall that package then see if the resolver can figure it out |
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| 07:36.01 | nmschulte | Yeah, that's the right way. thanks for helping me see the issue somiaj, I was nearly there! |
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| 07:51.38 | menace | if i execute aptitude safe-upgrade, and one package has new dependency to a package which was previously NOT installed, will the new dependency installed within the upgrade? |
| 07:52.28 | somiaj | menace: dist-upgrade |
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| 07:52.47 | somiaj | menace: though this should not happen on debian stable (unless you use unoffical repos, and then be careful) |
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| 07:55.04 | somiaj | ahh seems the aptitude safe-upgrade will install new depends but not remove packages |
| 07:55.04 | somiaj | from the man page, "Packages which are not currently installed may be installed to resolve dependencies unless the --no-new-installs command-line option is supplied." |
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| 07:56.48 | menace | yep, thought so within my experience :) |
| 07:57.04 | menace | but i have another older system where aptitude has no safe-upgrade entry in the manpage |
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| 07:57.46 | nmschulte | How can I list a packages configuration files? |
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| 08:07.33 | ChrisH | nmschulte: I do not know a specific way, so I simply run dpkg -L packagename | more and look for files in etc directories mainly. |
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| 08:09.33 | histo | nmschulte: perhaps somehting with dpkg? I know dpkg -S will allow you to show the package that provides a certain file. |
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| 08:10.37 | histo | nmschulte: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 08:11.12 | histo | nmschulte: so dpkg -L packagename | grep 'etc' |
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| 08:12.11 | nmschulte | Thanks ChrisH and histo; that presumes all configuration files are in /etc (that the package is well maintained), is that correct? |
| 08:13.12 | histo | nmschulte: yes |
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| 08:18.39 | themill | nmschulte: configuration files must reside in /etc but not all configuration files in /etc are tracked by dpkg. Some are copied in by maintainer scripts in postinst and then cleaned up in postrm purge. |
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| 08:23.15 | Iridos | hm, when plugging in something usb-disk-like, the gnome3 automounter just does nothing... I have to use pmount, and when I do, the silly window pops up |
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| 08:28.01 | Iridos | argh, it's a morast |
| 08:28.12 | Iridos | swamp |
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| 08:29.05 | superlinux-hp | hi. |
| 08:32.32 | superlinux-hp | my wifi connection stops after the computer sleeps or suspends and i have to reboot to get it working back. what i should do to stop doing reboots? |
| 08:34.03 | T_X | superlinux-hp: what's the chipset of your wifi card? |
| 08:34.18 | superlinux-hp | just a sec to query it |
| 08:34.34 | Iridos | superlinux-hp, squeeze? |
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| 08:34.42 | superlinux-hp | Iridos, wheezy |
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| 08:35.06 | Iridos | interesting... I've seen the same for a long time in squeeze with network-manager |
| 08:35.31 | superlinux-hp | Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [Rainbow Peak] (rev 34) |
| 08:35.34 | Iridos | it's an external wlan-stick, though... which I have on a usb-cable... and wireless is found when I unplug/replut it |
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| 08:35.47 | superlinux-hp | iwlwifi driver |
| 08:35.53 | Iridos | removing/re-inserting the kernel module also works |
| 08:36.18 | Iridos | supposing it's the same... it seems to be a timing issue during wake-up |
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| 08:37.24 | Iridos | superlinux-hp, so that's two workarounds I can offer :P as they don't make it too much of a bother for me, I never got to the bottom of this |
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| 08:38.26 | superlinux-hp | Iridos, because i leave my laptop online 24/7 |
| 08:39.03 | superlinux-hp | i think i'd rather get rid of power management, as i don't care |
| 08:39.13 | Iridos | ? I didn't ask anything ... nothing that could be answered with "because something", certainly? |
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| 08:40.04 | Iridos | anyway, I t hink it's some kind of race condition during wake-up... |
| 08:40.13 | Iridos | as it doesn't happen *every* time |
| 08:40.43 | superlinux-hp | ah ok |
| 08:41.14 | superlinux-hp | i want to get rid of power management, i never found it useful |
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| 08:42.23 | mumpitze1 | superlinux-hp: you like to pay higher electricity bills? have your PC die sooner |
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| 08:42.39 | sawjig | mumpitze1, lol |
| 08:42.50 | mumpitze1 | why are you laughing? |
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| 08:43.00 | sawjig | mumpitze1, higher electricity bills, sure, PC die sooner, er what |
| 08:43.02 | superlinux-hp | mumpitze1, thanks for your concerns. but i just don't want it |
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| 08:43.38 | superlinux-hp | all i care about is dimming my screen. that's all |
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| 08:44.32 | mumpitze1 | sawjig: heat kills PC components. electromigration is higher when chips are hotter, this is small however. but capacitors die a lot sooner when hot |
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| 08:45.01 | sawjig | mumpitze1, unless you have a machine from 10 years ago that's unlikely to be a problem. |
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| 08:45.57 | mumpitze1 | you are very wrong there. run your consumer videocard 24/7 GPGPU and you will see for example. less than 10 years, far less |
| 08:46.07 | sawjig | mumpitze1, I have |
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| 08:46.12 | mumpitze1 | laptops too |
| 08:46.26 | sawjig | mumpitze1, you keep a computer for 10 years? |
| 08:46.38 | oo_miguel | do i have to run grub-update and install-grub after every replacmeent of my /boot/vmlinuz-xxx or just when the filename changes? |
| 08:46.49 | themill | thinks this is getting a long way from debian user support |
| 08:46.57 | OpenTokix | I started my computer when I got to work this morning, and it feels like 10 years. |
| 08:47.03 | sawjig | themill, not entirely |
| 08:47.05 | mumpitze1 | sawjig: yes. my debian server runs an athlon xp here. and it's fine |
| 08:47.15 | superlinux-hp | so it looks like no one is going to tell me how to stop power management? |
| 08:47.21 | sawjig | themill, he's telling someone asking about how to shut off power mamangement that his computer will break ;P |
| 08:47.25 | mumpitze1 | superlinux-hp: which one exactly? |
| 08:47.42 | mumpitze1 | sawjig: you need to take reading comprehension classes |
| 08:47.43 | sawjig | mumpitze1, you knowy ou could replace it with a new computer with what you would save in electricity |
| 08:48.03 | mumpitze1 | sawjig: wrong again. you really don't have a clue at all. have a nice day |
| 08:48.04 | rozie | superlinux-hp: no need to stop that. you won't get any benefit by disabling it |
| 08:48.04 | Iridos | huh, do you mean your laptop suspends automatically? |
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| 08:48.07 | superlinux-hp | mumpitze1, my wireless card goes off after coming back from suspend |
| 08:48.15 | sawjig | mumpitze1, lol |
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| 08:48.30 | themill | Just because it's IRC doesn't mean you have to pick fights with everyone. |
| 08:48.43 | superlinux-hp | i mean I have to reboot to get back online. |
| 08:48.43 | T_X | superlinux-hp: hm, had an iwl4965 once and didn't notice such issues on debian sid (about a year or two ago). and I was using sleeps regularly. but then I switched to an ath9k wifi card back then |
| 08:48.54 | T_X | superlinux-hp: you could have a look at compat-wireless |
| 08:49.11 | superlinux-hp | what is compat-wireless? |
| 08:49.15 | T_X | maybe it's fixed in later kernel versions |
| 08:49.22 | rozie | I also didn't have any problem with wifi resume after suspend/hibernate |
| 08:49.38 | P_B | it might be a bios setting. |
| 08:49.39 | superlinux-hp | i moved to vanilla kernel 3.8 now |
| 08:49.47 | superlinux-hp | i am on it at the moment |
| 08:49.55 | superlinux-hp | and it works just fine |
| 08:50.00 | T_X | superlinux-hp: ah |
| 08:50.01 | Iridos | well, I did... not too surprising it doesn't hit everyone if it's a race condition, though |
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| 08:50.13 | mumpitze1 | so why not use it then? or get a debian 3.8 kernel from jessie/sid? |
| 08:50.19 | T_X | superlinux-hp: ok, if you have a recent version, then compat-wireless won't change anything |
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| 08:50.49 | OpenTokix | dist-upgrade, no backup, across the atlantic ocean - like a boss |
| 08:50.50 | T_X | superlinux-hp: compat-wireless provides the wifi drivers from recent kernel versions compatible for older kernel versions |
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| 08:51.05 | superlinux-hp | ok |
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| 08:51.48 | T_X | superlinux-hp: so you could use the wifi drivers from the 3.8 kernel with the according compat-wireless on a 3.2 kernel or whatever your previous kernel version was |
| 08:51.59 | T_X | but well, if 3.8 works, why not staying with it |
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| 08:53.39 | superlinux-hp | I want to stay on 3.8.. but the problem is NOT the change of the kernel. the problem is with computer going to standby. i don't want the wireless card to stop working after a standby. |
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| 08:54.25 | mumpitze1 | you just wrote "i moved to vanilla kernel 3.8 now i am on it at the moment and it works just fine". you need to be clearer in what you write |
| 08:54.28 | superlinux-hp | what happens is that the IRC is the only thing that stays working untill i disconnect it |
| 08:54.46 | superlinux-hp | and everything goes back to normal when i reboot. |
| 08:54.48 | themill | superlinux-hp: I think part of the problem here is that you've not actually told anyone what power management you're using. It's difficult to advise how to configure it or remove it in the absence of any information |
| 08:55.10 | cusco | hi |
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| 08:56.45 | superlinux-hp | themill, ok.. how can i make the computer dim the display only , while keeping everything else working? |
| 08:57.05 | themill | that still depends on the answer to "what are you using" |
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| 08:57.26 | superlinux-hp | i am using an HP pavillion dv6 laptop |
| 08:57.35 | cusco | in my case, I press fn + key-down |
| 08:57.41 | themill | what power management software |
| 08:57.55 | mumpitze1 | or for starters: X or no X, what DE, etc |
| 08:58.00 | superlinux-hp | i am on GNOME. |
| 08:58.16 | T_X | superlinux-hp: ah, okay, so you've checked that with 3.8 the bug is still there? |
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| 08:58.30 | superlinux-hp | T_X, yes! |
| 08:58.42 | themill | superlinux-hp: so you should be able to select what do do in gnome-power-manager |
| 08:59.09 | superlinux-hp | themill, i don't think it's saving my settings |
| 08:59.49 | themill | (maybe you could volunteer this sort of information at the start rather than making us play support jeopardy) |
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| 09:04.45 | mumpitze1 | I like that phrase "playing support jeopardy" |
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| 09:07.43 | superlinux-hp | let me then move to something simpler. gnome setting is NOT saving my mouse and touchpad settings for edge scrolling. if i reboot i loose the setting. i have to re-set it back. how to fix it? |
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| 09:08.15 | themill | superlinux-hp: do you log out before you reboot? |
| 09:08.25 | superlinux-hp | nope |
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| 09:08.29 | themill | well there you go |
| 09:08.35 | superlinux-hp | i just click reboot |
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| 09:09.40 | superlinux-hp | themill, so how can save it without log out? |
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| 09:23.16 | Iridos | superlinux-hp, think about it... |
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| 09:26.32 | petn-randall | I'm trying to wrap around a way to set up the network interface in initramfs. Web pages like this: http://www.eugenemdavis.com/set-static-ip-initramfs suggest to set config vars in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf, but these vars aren't documented in the man page. Any idea how to find the documentation to it? |
| 09:26.47 | petn-randall | s/wrap around/find/ |
| 09:26.55 | jelly | superlinux-hp: log out properly at least once after setting it? |
| 09:27.01 | moof2 | why in the initrd? |
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| 09:27.43 | superlinux-hp | jelly, understood. just i am used to gnome 2.3 way.. it's the best ever yet |
| 09:27.44 | petn-randall | moof2: I've got busybox + dropbear in the initramfs, so I can manually fsck the filesystem remotely. |
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| 09:28.36 | moof2 | so you want to fsck before starting init and doing the pivot root? |
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| 09:30.42 | petn-randall | moof2: This is a remote server that hasn't been rebooted in quite a while. I want to play safe in case there is a fsck error and be able to recover. |
| 09:31.10 | petn-randall | moof2: Yeah, I want to keep the possibility to fsck before init. |
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| 09:31.37 | moof2 | got it... what about backups? |
| 09:32.03 | petn-randall | moof2: I already have a similar setup on another machine, but I can't find out how to set the static IP on it. |
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| 09:32.16 | petn-randall | moof2: Got backups, but want to avoid a replay of the data, it's several TB. |
| 09:32.47 | gazgaz | gd morning |
| 09:32.55 | moof2 | first, congratulations for having the backups |
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| 09:33.19 | moof2 | nobody ever backs up. |
| 09:33.22 | moof2 | ever. |
| 09:33.25 | moof2 | it's a rule. |
| 09:33.43 | petn-randall | moof2: I know, having backups is something I preach in here, too. :) |
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| 09:34.31 | gazgaz | i should retrieve messages in boot starting |
| 09:34.31 | gazgaz | and not opening an EMPTY screen with Debian 7.0 name_machine login: |
| 09:34.31 | gazgaz | password: |
| 09:34.31 | gazgaz | how to make that please? |
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| 09:34.55 | moof2 | I have to get my hair done, the backup can wait. |
| 09:35.01 | moof2 | did I mention I'm bald? |
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| 09:38.20 | michielbrink | hello |
| 09:39.17 | moof2 | so, what would be required for a network interface to be set up... a copy of ip, or ifconfig and route in the initrd? |
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| 09:41.15 | moof2 | unless you want to include ifupdown and everything to support that, you'd have to set them up manually or statically |
| 09:41.41 | michielbrink | my android crasht if I use a xbox controller at python :/ |
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| 09:42.44 | moof2 | maybe your net requires dhcp... that would be more stuff you would need in the initrd |
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| 09:43.30 | petn-randall | moof2: Well, according to the link I posted, it's all there and only needs a var set in initramfs.conf. But the man page doesn't even mention it, which makes me wonder. |
| 09:44.05 | moof2 | what var, and what's its purpose? |
| 09:44.37 | petn-randall | moof2: IP=ipaddress::gateway::netmask::hostname:eth# |
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| 09:45.20 | moof2 | ahh. so there is something that reads that var? |
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| 09:46.07 | petn-randall | moof2: Apparently. It's just not in initramfs.conf(5). |
| 09:47.06 | moof2 | ok, so that var should be set in that file? |
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| 09:47.34 | moof2 | (note, more than one thing can read a conf file) |
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| 09:48.34 | moof2 | so, the next thing, is what reads initramfs.conf? |
| 09:48.44 | petn-randall | michielbrink: What part of your setup is Debian? |
| 09:49.23 | moof2 | (that is, if you want to investigate/prove it "should" work; if not, just try it) |
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| 09:49.59 | moof2 | the thing is, this is going to have to get tested... you're suggesting that can't happen |
| 09:50.01 | michielbrink | petn-randall, the python part |
| 09:50.14 | michielbrink | I run a raspbian chroot |
| 09:50.50 | petn-randall | moof2: My other server does get an IP in initramfs (I have an encrypted rootfs there, so I log in over dropbear to provide the password), but I still find it boggling how little docs there are about it. |
| 09:50.59 | petn-randall | michielbrink: raspbian is not Debian. |
| 09:51.17 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell michielbrink about raspbian |
| 09:51.51 | michielbrink | raspbian is debian for arm |
| 09:52.17 | moof2 | so are you saying that on this other server, where IP is set in the config file? |
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| 09:52.53 | moof2 | michielbrink, he's saying it's a different project |
| 09:53.10 | michielbrink | okey I go to the raspian group :) |
| 09:53.15 | petn-randall | michielbrink: raspbian is *based on* Debian, it's not Debian. :) |
| 09:53.38 | jelly | michielbrink: my cubieboard works with normal debian armhf; raspbian is a build specific for r.pi and a separate distro |
| 09:54.02 | michielbrink | okey |
| 09:57.26 | moof2 | petn-randall, so are you saying that on this other server, that IP is set in the config file? |
| 09:57.46 | jelly | michielbrink: you could also ask in the generic ##linux channel, but that particular issue sounds hardware and kernel specific |
| 09:58.23 | michielbrink | o okey thx |
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| 09:59.26 | petn-randall | moof2: Ah, it's done here: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions |
| 09:59.31 | petn-randall | moof2: grep for "IP" |
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| 10:02.21 | moof2 | does that write out the config file or actually run? |
| 10:02.30 | SKiTZO | i make a filesystem on an image mounte loop, but mount fails. I get some serious looking stuff in dmesg Where can I go to report this? |
| 10:04.28 | petn-randall | SKiTZO: If it's a Debian machine, paste the output to http://paste.debian.net, and we'll have a look at it. |
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| 10:05.23 | moof2 | petn-randall, hmm. |
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| 10:07.22 | petn-randall | moof2: Haven't checked the initramfs contents yet, will do that. But it seems to get included. |
| 10:07.52 | moof2 | this other server, it's using the initrd/ssh thing to give the encryption passwd? |
| 10:08.07 | moof2 | (and it works, so:) |
| 10:09.10 | moof2 | the missing piece is whatever the working password entry is in that server |
| 10:09.16 | moof2 | the code must be there |
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| 10:09.38 | petn-randall | moof2: Yepp, though it probably gets its IP via DHCP, since I haven't set it in initramfs.conf. Though maybe the update-initramfs script parses /etc/network/interfaces and sets it up correctly. Another reason to check the initramfs :) |
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| 10:10.26 | moof2 | the working (with encrypt partitions) server is on dhcp? |
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| 10:11.12 | moof2 | all this does suggest places to look for this stuff |
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| 10:12.17 | petn-randall | moof2: The IP is statically configured in /etc/network/interfaces, though I know for sure there's a DHCP server running there (it's a server hosted at Hetzner) because booting the general rescue image gives me the same IP. |
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| 10:13.09 | petn-randall | moof2: Or, they're handing out specific config over PXE boot. |
| 10:14.22 | moof2 | hmm, thin clients ^W servers? |
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| 10:18.16 | zeeflo | what could be wrong if a harddrive suddenly just dissapears.. goes dead.. And it cant even be seen from a rescue prompt? |
| 10:18.24 | zeeflo | could it be the harddrive or the sata port? |
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| 10:19.40 | petn-randall | zeeflo: More context please; What kind of system is this, and where does it disappear from? |
| 10:19.40 | somiaj | zeeflo: either of those sound reasonable. You could also check your bios see if it is detected there. |
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| 10:20.12 | zeeflo | its a remote server, so I dont got bios access.. |
| 10:20.26 | zeeflo | I will mail the datacenter to check both harddrive and bios |
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| 10:21.32 | petn-randall | zeeflo: It disappeared from a running system? |
| 10:21.55 | zeeflo | petn-randall: yes |
| 10:22.12 | zeeflo | it was a part of a striped set (sda and sdb) |
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| 10:22.29 | zeeflo | and while I was working on it, I was suddenly thrown out of the shell |
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| 10:22.46 | stimoceiver | hi |
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| 10:22.49 | zeeflo | I tried to log back in but after typing the root password the shell autoclosed.. |
| 10:23.21 | zeeflo | i did this 2-3 times... Then I booted up the rescue system, and in the rescue system only SDA could be found.. SDB is gone! |
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| 10:25.11 | stimoceiver | so... I tried to install debian 7 xfce today. I selected the "encrypted LVM" option. |
| 10:25.12 | stimoceiver | Started like 7 hours ago. It is still busy "writing random data" to the install partition (500gb). Progress bar shows about... oh... 1/6th to 1/5th of the way done. |
| 10:25.12 | stimoceiver | from the amount of time it is taking to "Write random data" to the partition, am I right to assume this is an entirely different encryption method than LUKS ? |
| 10:25.29 | petn-randall | zeeflo: Ouch. I think 1/3 of all drives die without warning. Could be dead. You have backups? |
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| 10:25.54 | zeeflo | petn-randall: no, but fortunately it was a bare system where we were logged in to begin to set it up! |
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| 10:26.14 | zeeflo | im just now worried that the motherboard or atleast the sata port is dead.. |
| 10:26.24 | zeeflo | Ive never seen a HD die like that before |
| 10:26.29 | veek | any idea how KDE4.7 is? CPU hungry? I'm on Wheezy + OpenLook Window manager on a celeron 400 MHz so.. no point thinking of installing KDE i guess? |
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| 10:26.48 | zeeflo | veek: yes KDE is hungry! |
| 10:26.49 | stimoceiver | veek: I'd go with XFCE or LXDE |
| 10:26.50 | jelly | veek: don't bother |
| 10:27.03 | zeeflo | veek: go with lxde or fce |
| 10:27.05 | petn-randall | stimoceiver: I haven't used the installer in a while, but overwriting with random data takes very long. Pulling data out of /dev/urandom was ~12MB/s on the last machine I did it. |
| 10:27.13 | veek | right. thanks.. |
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| 10:27.42 | jelly | veek: new code is rather L2-cache hungry, and your P2-P3 Celeron is severely crippled there |
| 10:27.45 | stimoceiver | petn-randall: yeah, I was hoping to just skip the step because I really dont need that degree of plausible deniability, I just wanted the encryption |
| 10:28.05 | petn-randall | stimoceiver: Was there an option to skip it? |
| 10:28.22 | veek | yeah it has i think 128K or something like that and newer machines are in MB |
| 10:28.26 | stimoceiver | petn-randall: nope. |
| 10:28.31 | petn-randall | stimoceiver: bummer :( |
| 10:28.41 | stimoceiver | veek: you probably wont even be able to get LXDE or XFCE running on that under debian |
| 10:29.04 | stimoceiver | veek: you should look into TinyCore linux or other extreme minimalist distros |
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| 10:29.53 | ChrisH | zeeflo: remove all of these useless aminations. I run KDE on a Pentium mobile 1.6 or 1.8 GHz Laptop dualheaded. If none of this flash stuff gets started its OK and fast enough. |
| 10:29.53 | stimoceiver | petn-randall: yeah it doesnt make sense: if the resulting encrypted partition is going to be nearly the whole 500 GB drive anyway, then what good is writing random data? |
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| 10:30.37 | veek | stimoceiver, mm.. i didn't like xfce much.. thunar sucks.. i use olvwm which is faster and does pretty much everything i require (Firefox opera etc) but the 7.0 nautilus is not working for some reason |
| 10:30.38 | mumpitze1 | stimoceiver: if you don't prewrite it with random stuff, the attacker knows what is cyphertext and what not |
| 10:30.45 | petn-randall | stimoceiver: It actually does. Without overwriting it with random data, you can see how full the LVM is. From the write patterns you can even deduct which filesystem type it is. |
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| 10:31.17 | petn-randall | and what mumpitze1 says :) |
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| 10:31.47 | stimoceiver | mumpitze1 / petn-randall: hmmm, yes, well,... hmmmm. I guess I should read up on the differences between this method and LUKS |
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| 10:33.08 | veek | stimoceiver, debian 7 works fine on my box. browsing chat vi python c.. quite decent performance |
| 10:33.24 | veek | even k3b works |
| 10:33.25 | stimoceiver | veek: on a celeron 400mhz with 128k of ram?!?! |
| 10:33.38 | veek | ah 512MB.. 128K L2 |
| 10:33.51 | CybDev | soo an old android phone you say? :P |
| 10:34.03 | stimoceiver | ohhhhhhh |
| 10:34.17 | SKiTZO | petn-randall: OK, here is my script and output. I am running latest debian |
| 10:34.18 | SKiTZO | http://paste.debian.net/7014/ |
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| 10:34.40 | stimoceiver | veek: sorry I missed that part. still 400mhz... heh... what are you browsing with, links/lynx/w3m ? :-) |
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| 10:34.57 | veek | firefox works, opera too.. latest versions |
| 10:35.17 | veek | in fact FF 21 (the latest version) is super fast |
| 10:35.18 | petn-randall | stimoceiver: LUKS is not any different in this way. In fact, the debian installer quite likely is using LUKS. |
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| 10:35.22 | SKiTZO | It should be self explanatory. I made the script to debug some strange errors wich occure on a previous version of debian which I found to be caused by a known bug where the kernel was leaking loop devices after mount |
| 10:36.10 | SKiTZO | so I installed new and fresh hoping it would be fixed, and it seems to be. But this time something else fails. seems like mount cant find filesystem on the image even though it most definitely is there |
| 10:36.46 | veek | stimoceiver, i do my pdf reading using wine even :) PDFXCview (fantastic reader) |
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| 10:37.07 | veek | you can underline text, make notes.. way better than lousy acroread |
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| 10:38.55 | petn-randall | SKiTZO: The script is buggy. You're making a loop file with 0 bytes of size. |
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| 10:39.34 | SKiTZO | petn-randall: How come? i never specify a size except when creating the image file |
| 10:39.44 | SKiTZO | its a sparse file |
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| 10:41.34 | SKiTZO | petn-randall: I will try without making the file sparse. |
| 10:42.52 | veek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:43.12 | veek | hey wait a sec count=0? |
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| 10:43.55 | veek | Oi! SKiTZO count = 0?? |
| 10:44.02 | SKiTZO | veek: that is how you make sparse files |
| 10:44.21 | SKiTZO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file |
| 10:44.41 | SKiTZO | i tried sith count=$SIZE instead of seek=$SIZE count=0 and the result is the same |
| 10:44.57 | veek | count =0 will copy nothing |
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| 10:46.36 | veek | note the: seek, Sir |
| 10:47.07 | veek | count=0 seek=5120 |
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| 10:47.46 | SKiTZO | Well the file is 200M in my directory listing either way |
| 10:48.06 | andre7 | thnx for wheezy - its a great and _STABLE_ distribution ! |
| 10:48.08 | SKiTZO | and both the regular and sparse ways of creating the file give the same result |
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| 10:54.01 | thunder1212 | got this error while downloading wine on my system am using 64bit |
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| 10:54.56 | SKiTZO | crooksey_: have you had fakeraid enabled at some point? |
| 10:55.14 | crooksey_ | SKiTZO: no |
| 10:55.15 | SKiTZO | crooksey_: any activity in dmesg? |
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| 10:57.39 | crooksey_ | SKiTZO: ahh md: personality for level 0 is not loaded! |
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| 11:01.49 | Domo | im planning on writing an application based ontop of a bare bones debian image. The application will have an OpenGL overlay that runs multiple programs (only one at a time) and will be controlled by a controller (single app environment type thing to run on a tv) do i need a window manager for this or can I just use x? |
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| 11:02.50 | CybDev | if you dont need any window manager features you shouldnt need a window manager at all, just x should be sufficient |
| 11:02.51 | Domo | anyone |
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| 11:03.01 | Domo | cool |
| 11:03.05 | CybDev | some of the packages you'll want for opengl is probably going to depend on a window manager tho... |
| 11:03.21 | Domo | hmmm the opengl side of things is pretty simple |
| 11:03.25 | alvwil | Hello all |
| 11:03.25 | alvwil | How do I install Faenza icons is Debian Wheezy? |
| 11:03.32 | Domo | just like a game browser |
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| 11:03.50 | CybDev | just check the libraries you want and walk the dependency tree |
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| 11:04.23 | CybDev | anyway, its only going to cost you a little disk, just because you have one installed does not mean you have to have it running in most cases |
| 11:04.31 | Domo | what about calling another program over the top (a game) and overlaying over the top of it? would i need a window manager for that? |
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| 11:05.00 | Domo | CybDev: you're probably right |
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| 11:05.16 | CybDev | "probably" is the word for it, as i'm not sure :-) |
| 11:05.24 | mumpitze1 | very strange new atom cpus: http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013052601_Intel_to_release_N2805_N2810_and_N2910_ULV_processors.html |
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| 11:05.34 | mumpitze1 | especially the pricing: 132$ for all, no matter the speed |
| 11:05.42 | mumpitze1 | sorry. E_CHAN |
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| 11:09.36 | SKiTZO | Domo: im doing the same thing |
| 11:09.38 | SKiTZO | hehe |
| 11:09.43 | alvwil | sorry to ask again but has anybody installed or know how to install the Faenza icon set? I'm currently using Debian Wheezy 7.0 Xfce edition. Thank you. |
| 11:09.45 | SKiTZO | You don't need windowmanager |
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| 11:10.53 | Domo | SKiTZO: mine is for emulators, so im not too sure how it will go |
| 11:11.02 | SKiTZO | well not sure what you mean by "on top" |
| 11:11.09 | SKiTZO | do you mean transparent windows |
| 11:11.31 | SKiTZO | you can move about windows programatically using the xorg apis |
| 11:11.43 | Christoff522 | alvwill: you need to download the icon set from xfce look and then unpack them into /usr/share/icons |
| 11:11.46 | SKiTZO | and select which one is foremost etc |
| 11:12.20 | Domo | so like user goes through list and selects game it launches they hit a button on their controller and it will bring up a game overlay to select a different game or whatever. |
| 11:12.24 | SKiTZO | I am making a kiosk and I decided to not have a windowmanager simply to avoid the user breaking in to the box somehow |
| 11:12.47 | well_laid_lawn | xfce has a kiosk setup |
| 11:12.59 | SKiTZO | Domo ah ok. so you have two applications running and your code will switch between them or senbd one to front etc |
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| 11:13.34 | SKiTZO | Since this is just one fullscreen app, having a windowmanager is just waste |
| 11:14.08 | SKiTZO | The question is: what will you use the windowmanager for? |
| 11:14.17 | Domo | that's what i thought, since i want it to boot pretty fast |
| 11:14.34 | Domo | I thought i might need it to run two graphical windows at once |
| 11:14.35 | alvwil | Christoff522: thank you |
| 11:15.19 | Christoff522 | alvwill: no problem :) |
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| 11:16.04 | SKiTZO | Domo: you can still have many windows without a window manager |
| 11:16.49 | SKiTZO | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2000050/how-to-programmatically-switch-to-a-specific-window-in-compiz |
| 11:17.05 | SKiTZO | it is not compiz related, it goes straight to xorg |
| 11:17.11 | Domo | yeah, just wasn't sure |
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| 11:25.45 | gele | hello. |
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| 11:26.48 | gele | is there a way to set a bandwidth limit _only_ for automatic apt upgrades, and not for manual ones? if my computer starts downloading security upgrades automatically i don't want it to hog all the bandwidth, but when i install stuff manually i do want it to. |
| 11:27.50 | somiaj | gele: what do you use for the automatic apt upgrades? |
| 11:28.31 | gele | somiaj: unattended-upgrades. |
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| 11:28.50 | somiaj | gele: yes, what how did you configure these. Are you just using a cron job? |
| 11:29.00 | gele | somiaj: it has a line in its config file for changing the bandwidth limit, but that affects all of apt. |
| 11:29.03 | gele | umm... |
| 11:29.55 | gele | i think i just installed it and uncommented the lines for the archives i wanted automatic upgrades from. |
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| 11:30.04 | gele | isn't the cron job added automatically on installation? |
| 11:30.14 | somiaj | not that I know of. |
| 11:30.30 | themill | gele: I would have expected there were unattended-upgrades-specific config files in which you could set that bandwidth limit if it exists; failing that you could run unattended-upgrades through trickle. |
| 11:31.36 | somiaj | aptitude also has a -o option so you can modify a config option for that onetime instance of running it |
| 11:31.58 | somiaj | looks like apt and aptitude both have scripts in cron.daily (but I didn't know automatic upgrades were enabled by default) |
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| 11:35.20 | somiaj | vi /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades |
| 11:35.30 | somiaj | looks like there is an option in that already, and you can just adjust it |
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| 11:36.13 | gele | somiaj: yes, but that seems to affect all apt operations, including manual ones. |
| 11:36.32 | gele | if you mean Acquire::http::Dl-Limit. |
| 11:37.06 | somiaj | Yes, did you only modify that setting in that paticular config file? |
| 11:37.15 | gele | yes. |
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| 11:38.40 | gele | meh. i suppose i can just write a wrapper script for aptitude that modifies the limit and use that for manual installations. |
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| 11:38.58 | somiaj | gele: I would modify the automatic script, let me see one second. |
| 11:40.08 | somiaj | actually the problem with that would be any modification would be overwritten if the unattended-upgrades package got upgraded |
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| 11:46.02 | somiaj | gele: I'd suggest submitting a wishlish (or minor) bug stating that the Acquire::http::Dl-Limit affects all downloads and not just the unattended-upgrades download. |
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| 11:52.19 | gele | somiaj: ok, thanks. |
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| 11:53.27 | somiaj | gele: you could also copy the unattended-upgrade script to /usr/local/bin, and modify the apt commands there to use -o "Acquire::http::Dl-Limit=foo", again this will prevent any upgrades of that script from taking effect, but it won't break during an upgrade |
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| 11:54.36 | gele | somiaj: yeah, i'll go with a wrapper for manual installs instead for now and file a bug. |
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| 12:01.14 | DotHack | i have some network session on ESTABLISHED listed witth netstat with no traffic but connection wont go away, is there a way to kill this session |
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| 12:03.39 | gele | DotHack: do you know which program it is that is using it? |
| 12:04.02 | DotHack | yes but i cannot kill that program because it is in use by other people.. |
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| 12:05.34 | gele | i suppose you could load a temporary iptables rule that drops the connection, but if the program thinks that it needs to be connected it may just try to connect again. |
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| 12:06.06 | mumpitze1 | DotHack: which program has this connection? |
| 12:06.19 | DotHack | java |
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| 12:06.30 | mumpitze1 | kill the owning process? |
| 12:07.20 | DotHack | mumpitze1: i cant because its a server thats used by other people i just want to eliminate some bogus sessions... |
| 12:07.57 | zeeflo | is it possible to stripe servers like you would stripe harddrives? |
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| 12:09.12 | mumpitze1 | zeeflo: usually called "clustering" |
| 12:09.18 | DotHack | zeeflo: not exactly like striping a harddisk, but software allows clustering |
| 12:09.39 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 12:09.53 | zeeflo | would that automatically load balance the network as well? |
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| 12:10.10 | DotHack | zeeflo: depends on the software thats managing the connections |
| 12:11.09 | DotHack | zeeflo: software can possibly introduce a virtual ip and by doing some mac tricks on the switch it can load balance |
| 12:11.12 | zeeflo | my case is that we have 6 x 1 gbit on 6 servers. These servers host media, and we manually keep track of files and manually link to them, so as to acheive some kind of "load balancing" |
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| 12:11.28 | DotHack | DotHack: but better is using some proxy loadbalancer |
| 12:11.30 | zeeflo | I am wondering if we could stripe these servers... some how |
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| 12:12.00 | DotHack | zeeflo: there are filesystems that do this kind of stuff |
| 12:12.06 | zeeflo | Such as? |
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| 12:12.59 | CybDev | zeeflo: usually you redirect the request to one of those servers, and the server takes care of sending it to the client on its own |
| 12:13.10 | zeeflo | yes |
| 12:13.21 | DotHack | zeeflo: GlusterFS maybe? |
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| 12:13.40 | zeeflo | DotHack: have you tried GlusterFS ? |
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| 12:13.47 | DotHack | zeeflo: nope |
| 12:14.02 | CybDev | gluster works for backends, not if those files are served directly to clients tho |
| 12:14.10 | zeeflo | i think Ill put up half a dousin vm's and test this scenario |
| 12:14.22 | zeeflo | well.. |
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| 12:14.30 | zeeflo | We use Wowza Streaming Server for this |
| 12:14.43 | DotHack | zeeflo: i do not know this software |
| 12:15.07 | zeeflo | Im just wondeing how I can make 6 servers appear as 1, but it should use all 6 network connections to server our content |
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| 12:15.26 | zeeflo | to serve our content* |
| 12:15.36 | CybDev | short answer "no" |
| 12:15.45 | zeeflo | no? |
| 12:15.55 | CybDev | can you make them more transparent? yes |
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| 12:16.03 | DotHack | zeeflo: you probably have to introduce a layer in front of the server for load balancing.. is the medie replicated between servers? |
| 12:16.25 | zeeflo | no, the media is not synced |
| 12:16.37 | zeeflo | each server, as it is now, holds 1/6 of our content of course |
| 12:16.51 | CybDev | also the protocol you serve the files over is relevant |
| 12:16.55 | CybDev | http/cifs/nfs |
| 12:17.00 | abrotman | zeeflo: DNS round-robin or load-balancer |
| 12:17.24 | zeeflo | hmm |
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| 12:17.59 | abrotman | zeeflo: and you probably don't want a single filesystem containing the data, single point of failure and all ... |
| 12:18.06 | zeeflo | so, I would go about and install a filesystem such as GlusterFS on our servers, spread our content across them and then introduce some load-balancing? |
| 12:18.11 | gele | zeeflo: so basically you want the same address to resolve to different machines depending on what file path is requested? |
| 12:18.22 | DotHack | zeeflo: GlusterFS is a way to have those 6 servers to be 1 place |
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| 12:18.45 | zeeflo | gele something like that yes |
| 12:18.55 | zeeflo | DotHack: got ya |
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| 12:19.16 | gele | zeeflo: ...without having a single point that all traffic is routed through? |
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| 12:19.32 | DotHack | zeeflo: load balancing is not automatic then... when files that are accessed a lot are located on 1 server your out of luck |
| 12:19.51 | zeeflo | no, as it is now, we manually link to every file, such as, cdn11.blablaa/blabla.mp4 what ever |
| 12:20.00 | DotHack | zeeflo: better is to have some distributed, replicated file storage |
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| 12:20.19 | DotHack | zeeflo: that can self heal on failure |
| 12:20.26 | jelly | and a pony |
| 12:20.29 | zeeflo | DotHack: what system would that be? |
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| 12:21.00 | DotHack | zeeflo: something like XtreemFS or so.. |
| 12:21.01 | gele | i'd say replication and dns round-robin would be the easiest solution. you'd need 6 times as much storage at every node, but that's usually cheap. |
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| 12:21.29 | abrotman | you'd want a full copy on each node .. one would think |
| 12:21.43 | zeeflo | probably yes |
| 12:21.49 | zeeflo | but storage is not a problem |
| 12:22.02 | zeeflo | currently we use 1/10 of our storage potential |
| 12:22.06 | DotHack | zeeflo: there are also some db product that do this very good, but then you need some programming to access the data |
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| 12:23.00 | DotHack | zeeflo: like HBase... |
| 12:23.39 | zeeflo | sounds like i have alot of options |
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| 12:24.06 | DotHack | zeeflo: or MongoDB |
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| 12:24.47 | DotHack | zeeflo: you can replicate is yourself with rsync.. maybe simple |
| 12:24.54 | zeeflo | yes |
| 12:25.06 | zeeflo | i am just familiar with glftpd |
| 12:25.16 | zeeflo | and it does a very good job at doing exactly this.. |
| 12:25.38 | zeeflo | i know its ftp, but its just to compare what I am looking for.. |
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| 12:26.42 | zeeflo | you have a master server that keeps track of where files a located on slave servers, and when the file is called, the slave server answers the request to the client. |
| 12:27.03 | DotHack | zeeflo: with distributed yes, with replicated no |
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| 12:27.22 | zeeflo | then I would need a distributed fs? |
| 12:28.01 | DotHack | zeeflo: i would go for the replication.. this way all media is stored everywhere so you can maximize your balancing |
| 12:28.07 | zeeflo | ok |
| 12:28.14 | zeeflo | yes, that makes sense |
| 12:28.48 | zeeflo | i think is it out of my know-how |
| 12:28.57 | DotHack | zeeflo: but you will need some frontservers that can also provide the bandwidth you need |
| 12:28.59 | zeeflo | ill probably need to consult for this.. |
| 12:29.15 | zeeflo | we got bandwidth! |
| 12:29.28 | zeeflo | 6GBit allocated |
| 12:29.58 | DotHack | zeeflo: then youll also need 6 frontends with 1gbit interfaces.. |
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| 12:30.04 | zeeflo | but of course, each machine only has 1 Gbit port.. |
| 12:30.06 | zeeflo | yes |
| 12:30.08 | zeeflo | we have that |
| 12:30.12 | zeeflo | excactly that |
| 12:30.28 | DotHack | zeeflo: how is the media accessed? |
| 12:30.49 | zeeflo | via http, rtsp or rtmp |
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| 12:31.34 | zeeflo | using Wowza Media Server software (its like red5 or similar) |
| 12:32.03 | DotHack | zeeflo: is this on 1 server? that then accesses one of the 6 media sservers? |
| 12:32.49 | zeeflo | no. Our setup now is that we create (manually) a link for each server on our website |
| 12:33.10 | DotHack | zeeflo: another thing to consider is: can your media server read 1Gbit/sec from its HD? |
| 12:33.17 | zeeflo | yes |
| 12:33.19 | zeeflo | they can |
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| 12:33.45 | zeeflo | were striping all our harddrives. they read times 200MB/sec and above |
| 12:33.51 | zeeflo | they have* |
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| 12:34.11 | DotHack | zeeflo: only stripong? so raid 0? |
| 12:34.15 | zeeflo | yes |
| 12:34.41 | DotHack | zeeflo: then you definatly need some replication! and support for failures |
| 12:34.49 | zeeflo | yes we do |
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| 12:34.59 | zeeflo | that is why I am asking these questions |
| 12:35.16 | abrotman | you might do better to ask #web if that type of question is appropriate there |
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| 12:35.44 | zeeflo | of course we have a backup server runnning raid1 which has all our content, in case of a server should break |
| 12:35.59 | zeeflo | no abrotman |
| 12:36.04 | zeeflo | im not asking html questions |
| 12:36.08 | zeeflo | im asking about filesystems |
| 12:36.19 | abrotman | zeeflo: there's a #html for HTML questions :) |
| 12:36.29 | abrotman | you're asking about architcture of serving up content |
| 12:36.40 | zeeflo | yes, using filesystems |
| 12:36.48 | zeeflo | and loadbalancing |
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| 12:37.03 | zeeflo | im not asking how to produce an url |
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| 12:37.39 | zeeflo | and since all our servers run debian, its natural to ask here which filesystems we can use etc on our debian servers. |
| 12:37.50 | zeeflo | To achieve this |
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| 12:39.43 | Domo | samba share won't accept logon even after making it completely open |
| 12:39.46 | Domo | any ideas? |
| 12:39.51 | Domo | debian |
| 12:40.05 | abrotman | how about some actual details? |
| 12:40.17 | Domo | set up samba |
| 12:40.18 | zeeflo | Domo: did you add the user to samba as well as local system? |
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| 12:40.48 | Domo | zeeflo: using the system account created with setup |
| 12:41.03 | zeeflo | Domo: you still need to add the user to samba |
| 12:41.04 | shiin | Id like to install java 7 on squeeze. is there any suggestion on how to do that without breaking anything? |
| 12:41.36 | petn-randall | Domo: How about you post some more details? What's the content of your smb.conf? ==> http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:42.11 | abrotman | !tell shiin about java-package |
| 12:42.23 | abrotman | petn-randall: or the versions of the OSes involved? |
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| 12:43.27 | zeeflo | shiin this is achieved very easily |
| 12:43.32 | zeeflo | ill make you a pastebin |
| 12:43.42 | shiin | using openjdk, yes? |
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| 12:44.02 | abrotman | shiin: see what the bot told you |
| 12:44.13 | shiin | Im reading the bot messages already, thank you |
| 12:44.15 | Domo | it's in a vm so i can't really copy out |
| 12:44.20 | abrotman | shiin: also, Wheezy has been released now, that's now the current stable release |
| 12:44.27 | abrotman | !tell Domo about pastebinit |
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| 12:46.16 | zeeflo | Domo: http://pastebin.com/2L4rP70L |
| 12:46.25 | zeeflo | follow that procedure and you have the latest java |
| 12:46.40 | abrotman | zeeflo: wrong person, maybe figure out your own problem first? |
| 12:46.53 | zeeflo | abrotman: my own problem? |
| 12:47.01 | abrotman | zeeflo: and that's a bad method anyway |
| 12:47.15 | zeeflo | abrotman: its the sun way! |
| 12:47.16 | abrotman | zeeflo: you know .. the thing you've been flooding the channel with for the past 45 minutes at least? |
| 12:47.22 | abrotman | zeeflo: it's teh WRONG way |
| 12:47.23 | shiin | fancy stuff, thank you. |
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| 12:47.31 | shiin | is it? |
| 12:47.47 | zeeflo | abrotman: When did my question about how to distribute files become a problem? |
| 12:47.52 | shiin | Im not sure about upgrading my vm to wheezy |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | zeeflo: did you get an answer yet? |
| 12:48.29 | zeeflo | yes, I did get plenty of ideas im googling atm |
| 12:48.35 | abrotman | okay .. |
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| 12:49.14 | mumpitze1 | shiin: VM or VPS on some remote server? |
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| 12:49.35 | shiin | vps in my local network. |
| 12:49.53 | shiin | its already configured for php5.3 and a few other details |
| 12:50.11 | shiin | if I upgraded to wheezy, that'd change too I guess, so Id prefer to stick to squeeze. |
| 12:50.39 | mumpitze1 | you will have to upgrade them sooner or later. php5.3 isn't supported anywhere, not upstream, not debian |
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| 12:51.06 | stew | zeeflo: your paste about installing java must have been truncated or something, it only had two update-alternatives commands instead of the normal dozen or so |
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| 12:51.17 | abrotman | hopefully not using dotdeb for php5.3.x |
| 12:51.37 | shiin | why yes, I am. I get the impression thats frowned upon. |
| 12:51.51 | zeeflo | stew: i used it last night on a squeeze and a wheezy set up, without problems |
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| 12:52.15 | abrotman | shiin: mostly because the packages are rather broken, that's why they're frowned upon |
| 12:52.31 | petn-randall | Domo: Nobody will (or can) help you without you providing the details. Use ssh to access the machine and copy text. Or any other way. |
| 12:52.54 | shiin | aye, I can see how that makes you not want to deal with related problems. |
| 12:52.59 | stew | zeeflo: on wheezy you could have just installed using apt and gotten a better version of java, and then all the rest of the alternatives would have been setup for you |
| 12:53.01 | petn-randall | Domo: Or use the !pastebinit way abrotman gave you. |
| 12:53.28 | zeeflo | stew probably.. I just do it like that, because im used to doing it like that- |
| 12:53.54 | zeeflo | im not saying my way is the best way for you, im just saying my way works for me, and therefor should work for some. |
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| 12:55.36 | petn-randall | zeeflo: 1) you copied Java over an unencrypted channel, which can easily be spoofed 2) you have to keep track of security updates by hand, which is quite cumbersome. |
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| 12:56.02 | petn-randall | zeeflo: Both problems go away when using a packaged java from Debian. |
| 12:56.27 | zeeflo | petn-randall: what version of java is currently used by wheezy and squeeze? |
| 12:56.43 | zeeflo | from sources |
| 12:56.58 | petn-randall | zeeflo: There are several jre in both. |
| 12:57.12 | sobczyk | hi, I'm trying to cross compile packages on wheezy, but when I do "apt-get install zlib1g-dev:armhf" it tells me libc-dev:armhf is in conflict with the native package, is there any way to solve this? |
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| 12:57.28 | zeeflo | it should be atleast the version I am referring to in my pastebin |
| 12:57.36 | zeeflo | lower versions are insecure to run on a server |
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| 12:57.44 | zeeflo | you should always run the latest jdk |
| 12:57.47 | stew | zeeflo: that version is not free |
| 12:57.54 | stew | zeeflo: no you should not always run the latest jdk |
| 12:58.02 | zeeflo | of course you should |
| 12:58.03 | Domo | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/qPqVuMXu |
| 12:58.05 | zeeflo | java is hella insecure! |
| 12:58.23 | petn-randall | sobczyk: That's not how you cross-compile stuff. What are you trying to cross compile? |
| 12:58.31 | DotHack | zeeflo: the browser plugin yes |
| 12:59.02 | stew | zeeflo: debian probably isn't for you then |
| 12:59.28 | zeeflo | on wheezy sun-java is till at v6 |
| 12:59.41 | stew | sun java isn't in debian |
| 12:59.46 | petn-randall | zeeflo: You should always run any kind of software without security holes. That's *not* always the latest one. |
| 12:59.47 | zeeflo | * Squeexe |
| 12:59.54 | zeeflo | squeeze |
| 12:59.59 | michielbrink | sudo netcat -l -p 1111 >> /dev/input/event9 no permissions. why? help me :) |
| 13:00.09 | zeeflo | stew add non-free to your apt and it will be |
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| 13:00.35 | stew | zeeflo: non-free isn't in debian |
| 13:00.54 | themill | zeeflo: no it won't be |
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| 13:01.06 | petn-randall | michielbrink: Your user's shell is trying to pipe into that device, that's why the permission is denied. |
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| 13:01.20 | petn-randall | michielbrink: do "sudo su -", then execute that command. |
| 13:01.32 | themill | itym sudo -i |
| 13:01.35 | stew | zeeflo: the sun jdk that I think you think will be available isn't redistributable by debian |
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| 13:01.46 | Domo | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/qPqVuMXu |
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| 13:01.59 | jelly | michielbrink: itym nc -l -p 1111 | sudo tee -a /dev/input/event9 |
| 13:02.03 | zeeflo | java is created by oracle. is there other javas? |
| 13:02.04 | abrotman | Domo: that was petn-randall |
| 13:02.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:02.13 | stew | zeeflo: yes |
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| 13:02.18 | zeeflo | stew: such as? |
| 13:02.24 | ChrisH | michielbrink: the sudo "ends" at the >> ; you would like to call it that way: (untested) netcat -l -p 1111 | sudo cat > /dev/input/event9 |
| 13:02.28 | abrotman | zeeflo: you can't google? |
| 13:02.34 | themill | zeeflo: actually, oracle's java is one implementation of the java specification. The reference spec is openjdk-7 which is what you have in Debian. |
| 13:02.39 | abrotman | zeeflo: and java wasn't created by orcale, it's just now owned by oracle |
| 13:02.46 | themill | zeeflo: anything that doesn't work with openjdk-7 is broken java. |
| 13:02.49 | petn-randall | themill, michielbrink: oh right, sudo -i <command> of course works, too. |
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| 13:03.07 | zeeflo | ill test openjdk |
| 13:03.12 | stew | zeeflo: aptitude search '~Pjava2-runtime' |
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| 13:03.26 | zeeflo | id rather stich with things I can get from apt and not have to compile etc |
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| 13:03.44 | michielbrink | ChrisH, no permissions |
| 13:03.48 | abrotman | you weren't compiling java, you were untarring it |
| 13:03.55 | stew | zeeflo: but then you recommend to download a non-free jvm instead of using apt to install a free one which is the reference implementation |
| 13:03.58 | abrotman | themill: IIRC, that means orcle java is broken? :) |
| 13:04.02 | zeeflo | abrotman: it was just to give an example |
| 13:04.17 | Zharf | openjdk is shit |
| 13:04.23 | zeeflo | stew: you got me on that one ;) |
| 13:04.34 | themill | Zharf: have you actually tried openjdk-7? |
| 13:04.40 | stew | openjdk is certainly not shit |
| 13:04.49 | zeeflo | nevertheless, im not familiar with other javas then the one provided by oracle |
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| 13:05.30 | Zharf | themill, it's been a while, a year or so maybe, not sure what version it was back then :) |
| 13:05.58 | themill | Zharf: so perhaps perpetuating myths isn't such a great plan |
| 13:06.18 | Domo | quit |
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| 13:06.39 | shiin | problem solved. |
| 13:06.43 | michielbrink | I run with su, netcat -l -p 1111 | cat > /dev/input/event9 but I get a error. cat: write error: Invalid argument |
| 13:07.12 | mumpitze1 | !uuoc michielbrink |
| 13:07.13 | dpkg | hands michielbrink the "useless use of cat" award |
| 13:07.14 | Zharf | themill, of course it is, I doubt that it has evolved at all! |
| 13:07.20 | shiin | Ill stick to my squeeze vm and use a second ubuntu 13 vm for java 7 thats already configured. |
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| 13:07.39 | ChrisH | michielbrink: inside su: netcat -l -p 1111 > /dev/input/event9 should work. |
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| 13:08.14 | michielbrink | I know :) but I copied it from you :) |
| 13:08.39 | michielbrink | sorry for my bad English :) |
| 13:08.50 | shiin | this is a refreshingly spicy channel. |
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| 13:10.02 | petn-randall | mumpitze1: Why, did a cat run over the keyboard again? ;) |
| 13:10.18 | mumpitze1 | yes, it chased the spider across |
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| 13:11.56 | michielbrink | now at my host as root: cat /dev/input/event9 | netcat 192.168.1.67 1111 en on my client netcat -l -p 1111 > /dev/input/event9 but my server en client ¨script¨ turn off if I press a button on my xbox controller on my host |
| 13:12.06 | zeeflo | openjdk-7 runs just fine! |
| 13:12.43 | zeeflo | on my squeeze boxes. I can only get ojdk6.. Can I port to 7 somehow? |
| 13:13.01 | petn-randall | zeeflo: Yes, upgrade to stable. |
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| 13:13.31 | zeeflo | petn-randall: was you not here the other night with my rescue issues/grub issues ? ;) |
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| 13:13.59 | petn-randall | zeeflo: Could be, I'm helping out many people here, sorry if I lost track. Did it work out? |
| 13:13.59 | zeeflo | im afraid to upgrade! it went terrible! |
| 13:14.07 | zeeflo | nono. |
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| 13:14.18 | Trae32566-NE | zeeflo, what broke |
| 13:14.19 | stew | mr "you should run the latest version" |
| 13:14.28 | petn-randall | Hahahaha, stew++ |
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| 13:15.06 | zeeflo | Trae32566: when I upgraded, the grub wouldnt install to md1, so I took a chance and installed it to sda.. |
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| 13:15.13 | zeeflo | I shouldnt have done that1< |
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| 13:15.45 | Trae32566-NE | wouldn't install? |
| 13:15.53 | jordilopezamat1 | Hi... I've just installed fresh Debian Wheezy + Xfcw. Just curious about ¿does anybody knows why is iceweasel v.10 on it instead of last one (v.13 ) ?:-D |
| 13:16.02 | zeeflo | yes.. |
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| 13:16.16 | stew | jordilopezamat1: because wheezy was frozen in june 2012 |
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| 13:16.30 | zeeflo | And then on another squeeze box I tried to upgrade afterwards, I told grub to keep my current grub, but screwed up as well |
| 13:16.38 | jordilopezamat1 | Oh... easy to understand now, stew. |
| 13:16.51 | themill | jordilopezamat1: mozilla.debian.net might be of interest |
| 13:17.19 | petn-randall | zeeflo: /dev/md1 is a MD device, you should never install grub there since it doesn't exist before booting ... |
| 13:17.26 | jordilopezamat1 | thanks for the hint themill ... |
| 13:17.38 | zeeflo | petn-randall: well.. Hetzner does so.. |
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| 13:17.57 | zeeflo | or.. i dont know.. |
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| 13:18.06 | zeeflo | Hetzners install is weird |
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| 13:18.15 | petn-randall | zeeflo: I'm sure Hetzner doesn't install to /dev/md0, we've already had this discussion :) |
| 13:18.25 | Trae32566-NE | what's Hetzner o.O |
| 13:18.28 | Trae32566-NE | googles |
| 13:18.32 | zeeflo | i dont know where they install it to :/ |
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| 13:19.11 | zeeflo | im afraid to upgrade my last box.. So I just got a new box, install wheezy on it, copy the content from my squeeze box, and problem is solved later today |
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| 13:20.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hey. I'm trying to use debootstrap on Gentoo to build a chroot-ed debian, but it seems I don't have debian-archive-keyring.gpg. Is there a preferred way to get the keys on foreign distros? |
| 13:21.13 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: Use gpg --recv-keys to get the key. |
| 13:21.24 | ksk | ubunto has packages for the debian-keys iirc. dunno if gentoo has such a tool ready to use. |
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| 13:22.02 | jordilopezamat1 | BTW ... due to circumstances, i had to recyle mi computer after HDD crash a few days ago ... Now i recovered temporarily my debian system and tools (LAMP, etc ...) running onto a 16GB pendrive... works fine (even faster, as long as is SSD kind of...). Question : ¿does anybody know if that should be easy to clone my whole system onto a regular HDD (once i got a new one ) back again ? |
| 13:22.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall: that doesn't sound like a MITM-safe way to get it, unless I can check it's signed by some other key I have. Thoughts? |
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| 13:22.36 | stew | Eduard_Munteanu: yes, of course it is signed |
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| 13:22.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | By whom? |
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| 13:23.09 | jordilopezamat1 | (my guess is 'Yes' ... with some tricking with CloneZilla or something like ... but please, correct me if i'm wrong ! ) |
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| 13:23.23 | Trae32566-NE | jordilopezamat1, yes |
| 13:23.24 | stew | Eduard_Munteanu: me? |
| 13:23.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean, the only way I can be sure is to get the key via https from debian.org or a checksum for it. |
| 13:23.35 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 13:23.37 | stew | Eduard_Munteanu: no, you can check your trust path to the key |
| 13:23.41 | jordilopezamat1 | Trae32566-NE nice to know ! |
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| 13:24.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | stew: I know, but I don't have your key either. :) |
| 13:24.01 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: you need to decide if you trust SSL cert providers or the web of trust more. |
| 13:24.16 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: The key id is the checksum? |
| 13:24.16 | stew | actually I didn't sign the wheezy key |
| 13:24.24 | themill | stew: slacker |
| 13:24.26 | Trae32566-NE | you may need to change UUIDs in some things, depending on how you have everything set up (IIRC if you mount by UUID) |
| 13:25.02 | stew | oh, i did sign the wheezy key |
| 13:25.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks, themill, that looks like what I need. |
| 13:25.16 | jordilopezamat1 | I see,,, Does it mean that i would be able to have a exact copy of my system onto another physical media ? Wow ! ... never used before... |
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| 13:25.34 | themill | stew: should I be concerned that you do not recall this? |
| 13:25.43 | stew | heh |
| 13:25.45 | petn-randall | jordilopezamat1: Yes, you can clone onto a SSD, though it's not the best way to do it, due to wear leveling. Unless clonezilla is filesystem-aware and leaves out the unused blocks. |
| 13:26.16 | Trae32566-NE | petn-randall, it's a 16GB thumbdrive...the amount of unused space is likely very small |
| 13:26.58 | jordilopezamat1 | pepetn-randall , what do you mean by wear leveling ? (sorry for my english... gracias ) :-D |
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| 13:27.12 | petn-randall | Trae32566-NE: Really? My Debian installation is only 2-3 GB. |
| 13:27.40 | petn-randall | jordilopezamat1: Check wikipedia about wear-leveling. |
| 13:27.42 | jordilopezamat1 | Indeed, petn-randall mine is 2.7GB now ... |
| 13:27.45 | jordilopezamat1 | thanks |
| 13:27.51 | Searching | s |
| 13:28.25 | petn-randall | jordilopezamat1: It's something SSD do to cope with a limited amount of write-cycles every block can do. The OS helps it with that by telling the SSD which parts it doesn't use. |
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| 13:28.36 | Trae32566-NE | petn-randall, depends on his size, but either way, the size of the SSD will probably be much larger. As well, since it's a one-time thing, I'm pretty sure he'd be alright |
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| 13:28.50 | Trae32566-NE | petn-randall, not exactly |
| 13:29.07 | jordilopezamat1 | (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear-leveling) petn-randall... for sure i'll go for it |
| 13:29.41 | jordilopezamat1 | cause if heard of those long-term issues with SSD being heavily written / readed ... |
| 13:30.02 | Trae32566-NE | earlier generations, yes, you have to be very careful about how you do things |
| 13:30.06 | veek | regarding wear-leveling is there a way to see how many blocks have been marked bad or how many writes have been performed/block |
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| 13:30.19 | Trae32566-NE | that'd depend on firmware |
| 13:30.47 | veek | Trae32566, ah nope for a USB stick |
| 13:30.56 | Trae32566-NE | >.> |
| 13:30.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | Probably not. |
| 13:31.07 | Trae32566-NE | USB thumbdrive != SSD |
| 13:31.23 | veek | noddles |
| 13:31.38 | Trae32566-NE | with newer SSDs, you don't need to worry about wear leveling much |
| 13:31.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | It sort of sucks we can't get raw SSDs and do software wear-levelling. :( |
| 13:31.50 | jordilopezamat1 | that's it ... Trae32566-NE. We had SSD technology in our pockets before we were aware of ! .-P |
| 13:31.54 | jordilopezamat1 | :-P |
| 13:32.05 | Trae32566-NE | Eduard_Munteanu, you can |
| 13:32.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Trae32566-NE: oh? That'd be awesome. |
| 13:32.29 | Trae32566-NE | get a TRIM supported (99.9% consumer ones are) SSD, and use manual TRIM commands |
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| 13:32.56 | veek | is it worth buying a haswell processor vs a 3i7.. 'suppose AMD is completely blown away |
| 13:33.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Trae32566-NE: well that's not quite what I mean, the SSD still does the wear-levelling |
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| 13:33.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | It also hides blocks behind your back. :) |
| 13:33.36 | Trae32566-NE | that, actually isn't all TRIM |
| 13:33.43 | Trae32566-NE | that's partially a feature of firmware |
| 13:33.55 | Trae32566-NE | different manufacturers have different amounts of reserved space |
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| 13:34.31 | jordilopezamat1 | so ... Trae32566-NE. If i've got your point, you would'nt worry about wear-leveling on my SanDisk 16GB were my Debian relies on ... ? |
| 13:34.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | I just wish Linux did all the wear levelling at block device level or just used a log-structured fs. |
| 13:34.42 | Trae32566-NE | er...that's a bit different |
| 13:34.47 | Trae32566-NE | although I wouldn't really |
| 13:34.51 | Trae32566-NE | just keep a backup |
| 13:34.59 | jordilopezamat1 | :-D |
| 13:35.08 | petn-randall | Trae32566-NE: not exactly what? |
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| 13:35.46 | jordilopezamat1 | I have to say that... my system is quite faster now :-) . Although reduced storage capacity.... :-( |
| 13:35.50 | Trae32566-NE | it works more in the way that when something is deleted, the OS sends a signal to the SSD that basically says 'Block xxxxxxx is no longer in use'. After this happens, a scheduled garbage collector basically goes and erases those blocks during low use. The need for this is due to the fact that NAND must be electrically 'erased' before next use. If this is not done, then when the OS goes to write to the SSD, it will block while it has |
| 13:35.50 | Trae32566-NE | to read, erase, and write |
| 13:36.08 | petn-randall | Trae32566-NE: With any SSD, old or new, you have to care about wear-leveling. It's a fundemental problem of how SSDs work, that won't go away any time soon. |
| 13:36.26 | Trae32566-NE | petn-randall, not really. Not much anyway |
| 13:36.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | Trae32566-NE: yep... but ideally the OS can handle all that GC-ing too :) |
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| 13:36.55 | Trae32566-NE | why would you make your CPU do that, if you can offload it to a specialized controller |
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| 13:37.08 | Trae32566-NE | if you wanna modify it, get the firmware binary and reverse engineer it]\ |
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| 13:37.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | Trae32566-NE: uh, it's probably really cheap anyway. |
| 13:37.15 | petn-randall | Trae32566-NE: If the OS doesn't tell the SSD which blocks it uses, it will do wear-leveling far less efficient. |
| 13:37.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | People routinely do soft RAID and it doesn't bog the CPU at all. |
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| 13:38.00 | Trae32566-NE | not that it would bog the CPU |
| 13:38.07 | Trae32566-NE | just why use CPU if you don't have to |
| 13:38.12 | nevyn | petn-randall: but it does |
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| 13:38.17 | nevyn | that's what TRIM is for |
| 13:38.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Trae32566-NE: mainly because firmware sucks, that's usually a consensus in FOSS :) |
| 13:39.06 | petn-randall | nevyn: Right. But Trae32566-NE argued that wear-leveling is a problem of the past, that newer SSD have no problem with anymore. |
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| 13:39.26 | Trae32566-NE | well duh, because as I neglected to mention in my short description, wear leveling also manifests itself in other ways. So for example, when TRIM does this, it usually also swaps out the physical NAND, meaning that the xxx GB that is reserved will be swapped behind the scenes to keep all the NAND wearing at the same level |
| 13:39.31 | petn-randall | nevyn: I'm just stating that wear-leveling has to be done, regardless of old/new SSD. |
| 13:39.33 | Trae32566-NE | petn-randall, I didn' |
| 13:39.40 | Trae32566-NE | *didn't say never, I said usually |
| 13:39.46 | Trae32566-NE | or almost ever |
| 13:39.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Besides for things like logging fs's you might not want wear-levelling at all, if the FS does that. |
| 13:39.48 | Trae32566-NE | one of the two |
| 13:39.49 | nevyn | sure. |
| 13:40.18 | nevyn | and when it isn't done right it risks corruption of berkley db's that contain your domain configuration. |
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| 13:40.31 | nevyn | grumble. |
| 13:40.36 | Trae32566-NE | Eduard_Munteanu, it's dangerous |
| 13:40.45 | Trae32566-NE | also, the OS can only do this once it's running |
| 13:40.53 | Trae32566-NE | the firmware can do it whenever the hell it wants |
| 13:40.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | Trae32566-NE: hm, why dangerous? |
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| 13:41.08 | Trae32566-NE | because lets say you find a way to do that. |
| 13:41.16 | Trae32566-NE | Then you reboot into Windows. |
| 13:41.21 | Trae32566-NE | what now, brown cow? |
| 13:41.34 | Trae32566-NE | you have no TRIM, and you sure as hell won't have Windows doing anything to help |
| 13:41.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, that's true, it will only work for specific filesystems or OSes doing soft wear-levelling |
| 13:42.13 | nevyn | so the same thing when your storage team presents a cluster filesystem to a windows box and the "sysadmin" see's new disk and formats it? |
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| 13:43.28 | Trae32566-NE | ROFL |
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| 13:44.13 | tidux | does Cinnamon override multitouch settings? |
| 13:44.24 | tidux | I can do two-finger scrolling in KDE or Window Maker |
| 13:44.31 | tidux | but Cinnamon doesn't let me for some reason |
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| 13:45.05 | tidux | whoops, never mind |
| 13:45.07 | tidux | found it |
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| 13:46.07 | Trae32566-NE | Eduard_Munteanu, it's also a bad idea because if it breaks, you better pray something doesn't go bad, and if it does you better be right there with a new block of NAND and a bandaid for the Filesystem |
| 13:46.20 | Trae32566-NE | fsck = bandaid |
| 13:47.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'd still trust a Linux driver more than random firmware the vendor came up with. |
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| 13:47.51 | Trae32566-NE | Eduard_Munteanu, it's not random. There are a lot of factors at play with SSDs, specifically in the way the controller works with the NAND |
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| 13:48.08 | Trae32566-NE | the way things are now, there are many types of NAND, let alone many controllers |
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| 13:48.43 | nevyn | multi cel vs unicell etc |
| 13:48.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder if the controllers actually collect some data from the flash, or just account for write cycles. |
| 13:49.06 | Trae32566-NE | big players are Sandforce, Indilinx, and there's another I can't remember |
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| 13:49.24 | Trae32566-NE | Eduard_Munteanu, they collect data, and do a *lot* of other things |
| 13:49.27 | nevyn | really not sandisk? |
| 13:49.37 | Trae32566-NE | they don't make their own controllers |
| 13:49.51 | nevyn | oh I thought you were talking about nand |
| 13:49.58 | jelly | Trae32566-NE: s/Indilinx/OCZ/, bought |
| 13:50.12 | Trae32566-NE | yes, but it's still considered Indilinx |
| 13:50.27 | jelly | Samsung makes controllers don't they |
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| 13:50.40 | Trae32566-NE | er....they might, but I doubt it |
| 13:51.04 | nevyn | I thought there were a very limited number of nand manufactuers |
| 13:51.17 | Trae32566-NE | there are |
| 13:51.28 | Trae32566-NE | Samsung, Hynix, and a few others |
| 13:51.32 | Trae32566-NE | those are the big two though |
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| 13:51.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess there are a few more if you account for plain/small NAND chips. |
| 13:52.19 | Trae32566-NE | yeah there are |
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| 13:52.43 | Trae32566-NE | Intel, Micron, etc |
| 13:52.57 | Trae32566-NE | Intel didn't always use their own NAND though IIRC |
| 13:53.20 | Trae32566-NE | Sandisk does make their own NAND as well though |
| 13:53.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | I thought their SSDs were fabless. |
| 13:53.32 | Trae32566-NE | they are supposedly |
| 13:53.46 | Trae32566-NE | I think they get more hype than they deserve, but meh |
| 13:53.59 | Trae32566-NE | they do great in enterprise grade stuff |
| 13:54.09 | Trae32566-NE | but performance wise, they're high-grade, but not the best |
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| 13:55.01 | Trae32566-NE | also Eduard_Munteanu, some of the controllers are ARM based |
| 13:55.24 | Trae32566-NE | and IIRC, the way it works is |
| 13:55.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | That sounds heavy-duty, tho' it depends on the ARM. |
| 13:55.39 | Trae32566-NE | Sandforce ships a 'base' image for the controller |
| 13:55.44 | Trae32566-NE | (or whoever) |
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| 13:55.54 | Trae32566-NE | then the OEMs modify it for the NAND they're using |
| 13:56.05 | Trae32566-NE | and size, encryption, etc |
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| 13:56.19 | Trae32566-NE | btw, SSDs offer other benefits as well that you don't hear about |
| 13:56.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | Wow, they handle encryption now? |
| 13:56.27 | Trae32566-NE | yes |
| 13:56.29 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 13:56.29 | Trae32566-NE | on the controller |
| 13:56.39 | Trae32566-NE | this is why I said you shouldn't do it at an OS level |
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| 13:56.49 | Trae32566-NE | it would take a good amount of CPU for all the things they do |
| 13:56.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Trae32566-NE: it's not much a bonus to be honest |
| 13:57.06 | Trae32566-NE | Encryption, compression, etc |
| 13:57.12 | Trae32566-NE | and yes, they do compression as well :) |
| 13:57.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Modern AES-enabled CPUs can churn quite a bit of throughput. |
| 13:57.28 | jelly | Trae32566-NE: hw aesni support takes very little cpu |
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| 13:57.39 | Trae32566-NE | that's why a lot of benchmarks use incompressible data |
| 13:57.56 | TheWarden | I have a remote CIFS share that is suppose to be automatically mounted at system boot up via /etc/fstab. Now at certain times that mount is not successful because that system that hosts the share is not online at the time. Is there some way I could get it to re-try X amount of times? |
| 13:58.06 | jelly | Trae32566-NE: saturates my Vertex 3 with 7-12% cpu usage on a single core |
| 13:58.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Argh, compression... It's annoying Linux doesn't provide a compressed block device. |
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| 13:59.03 | Trae32566-NE | really good source to follow for SSDs (and almost anything) is Anandtech |
| 13:59.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | Presumably it requires FS awareness if you want to gain space too, though plain speed gains would be good. |
| 13:59.17 | Trae32566-NE | they give really amazing in-depth explanations on how they work |
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| 13:59.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Actually forget that, since it can also expand the size of your data, so you can't rely on a fixed block dev size. |
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| 14:00.18 | Trae32566-NE | actually theres a new controller manufacturer I forgot about |
| 14:00.24 | Trae32566-NE | they're taking the market by storm |
| 14:00.33 | Trae32566-NE | LAMD = Link A Media Device' |
| 14:00.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder how the SSDs deal with that though. |
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| 14:01.15 | Trae32566-NE | data deduplication as well, although I guess one could liken that to compression |
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| 14:07.29 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Maybe looks into autofs, that works for me and NFS. |
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| 14:08.44 | Trae32566-NE | Eduard_Munteanu, also, another thing |
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| 14:09.47 | pithagorians | anybody here installed nvidia tesla c2075 on debian 6 server? |
| 14:10.19 | petn-randall | pithagorians: No surveys please, if you have a question, simply ask. :) |
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| 14:11.02 | Trae32566-NE | a lot of newer SSDs use writeback caching, and as such they have capacitors to deal with the situation of power loss |
| 14:11.20 | CybDev | which is great! |
| 14:11.30 | Trae32566-NE | in which case the controller can write all it's data to the NAND before it loses power |
| 14:11.45 | Trae32566-NE | if your OS locks up; however, you're pretty much SOL |
| 14:11.52 | CybDev | and return instantly on writes :P |
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| 14:11.59 | Trae32566-NE | (if you had OS based firmware) |
| 14:12.02 | pithagorians | petn-randall: my server finds it as http://paste.debian.net/7066/ |
| 14:12.03 | P_B | that's really cool |
| 14:12.03 | Trae32566-NE | well....not instantly |
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| 14:12.21 | P_B | and, sensible, I guess |
| 14:12.24 | veek | has anyone used pdnsd.. how do you retain the cache across server reboots? |
| 14:12.24 | CybDev | pretty much same as using BBU & cache on hwraid controllers |
| 14:12.28 | P_B | why wouldn;'t you? |
| 14:12.37 | Trae32566-NE | keep in mind it's just a queue, so there is a max depth for it |
| 14:12.48 | pithagorians | even if a install drivers from official nvidia site |
| 14:12.53 | Trae32566-NE | meaning in a long write, it won't be instant, it'll still eventually block |
| 14:13.01 | CybDev | ofc, i just wish they'd state the buffer size and cache capacity |
| 14:13.11 | CybDev | well, capacitor capacity! |
| 14:13.51 | Trae32566-NE | http://http://anandtech.com/show/6935/seagate-600-ssd-review/2 |
| 14:13.54 | Trae32566-NE | woops |
| 14:13.54 | Trae32566-NE | http://anandtech.com/show/6935/seagate-600-ssd-review/2 |
| 14:14.08 | pithagorians | lspci finds it with same name http://paste.debian.net/7067/ |
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| 14:14.35 | Trae32566-NE | also, I point out this: As is typically the case with SSDs, endurance tends not to be an issue for client usage - in the enterprise whether or not you can get by with the 600 or need the 600 Pro really depends on your workload. |
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| 14:15.02 | CybDev | consumer ssd's :-/ |
| 14:15.06 | Trae32566-NE | 20GB per day is what warranty covers for the cheaper one |
| 14:15.07 | CybDev | 40gb a day is fk all :-( |
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| 14:15.21 | Trae32566-NE | that's ... actually not bad |
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| 14:15.30 | Trae32566-NE | keep in mind that would be at the NAND level |
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| 14:16.00 | CybDev | 72tb lifetime writes |
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| 14:16.31 | Trae32566-NE | that's quite a bit |
| 14:16.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do they define lifetimes? |
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| 14:16.45 | Trae32566-NE | well, lifetime of the warranty I'm guessing |
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| 14:16.50 | Trae32566-NE | since thats 40GB under warranty |
| 14:16.54 | Trae32566-NE | also, this is Seagate's first SSD |
| 14:17.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean what constitutes failure? A percentage decrease in capacity? |
| 14:17.05 | Trae32566-NE | well |
| 14:17.12 | Trae32566-NE | their first big SSD anyway |
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| 14:17.28 | Trae32566-NE | no, lack of remaining NAND |
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| 14:17.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Wow. |
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| 14:17.44 | rjk | bit rot |
| 14:17.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's pretty bad. |
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| 14:17.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | rjk: presumably you can avoid bit rot |
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| 14:18.11 | OpenTokix | CybDev: That is actually quite alot =) |
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| 14:18.11 | jhutchins_wk | Gentlemen, this is really not a topic for #debian but maybe #debian-offtopic or ##hardware. |
| 14:18.11 | Trae32566-NE | what the FUCK |
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| 14:18.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, we are offtopic. |
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| 14:18.25 | Trae32566-NE | what the hell |
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| 14:18.28 | Trae32566-NE | what just happened |
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| 14:18.28 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
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| 14:18.36 | Trae32566-NE | f*cking netsplits, I swear |
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| 14:18.58 | CybDev | OpenTokix: 72tb lifetime data written? it sounds very low :-/ |
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| 14:19.19 | outch3 | what to do with a X that freeze, no logs, I removed the proprietary drivers, throttle my cores, removed ram |
| 14:19.48 | outch3 | It can happen after 2 days or after 10 days |
| 14:19.56 | outch3 | no link to any process running |
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| 14:20.07 | OpenTokix | CybDev: unless you have a very very busy databaser-server, you dont write that much on disks. A lot of stuff happen in cache. There is of cource special cases. |
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| 14:20.29 | jhutchins_wk | outch3: Nothing in Xorg.0.log? |
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| 14:20.39 | outch3 | no |
| 14:20.44 | jhutchins_wk | outch3: Do you have sensors installed/configured? |
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| 14:20.52 | jhutchins_wk | lmsensors |
| 14:21.13 | outch3 | jhutchins_wk :yes |
| 14:21.20 | Trae32566-NE | also , keep in mind thats under warranty |
| 14:21.20 | CybDev | OpenTokix: database servers is exactly where i need the performance ssd's offer |
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| 14:21.42 | CybDev | everything else is cached in ram anyway, or we can live with the delays |
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| 14:21.50 | Trae32566-NE | some cars come with a 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty |
| 14:21.59 | OpenTokix | CybDev: And the indices and such dont live in ram? |
| 14:21.59 | Trae32566-NE | doesn't mean they're going to explode at 36,001 |
| 14:22.02 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
| 14:22.19 | OpenTokix | Trae32566-NE: I have seen some police movies from the 70's that seem to suggest just that. |
| 14:22.46 | CybDev | ofc they live in ram, but that doesn't change the fact it writes a lot to disk |
| 14:23.02 | Trae32566-NE | CybDev, not if it gets changed before being written |
| 14:23.13 | OpenTokix | CybDev: But I assume you are thinking about some raids and such? |
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| 14:23.14 | Trae32566-NE | and if it gets changed a lot, I'm sure the controller will cache it for longer |
| 14:23.19 | Trae32566-NE | www.ampinc.biz/technology/pdf/RAISE.pdf |
| 14:23.30 | Trae32566-NE | ^^ big big part of wear leveling |
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| 14:23.43 | Trae32566-NE | this is how a lot of manufacturers implement over-provisioning |
| 14:24.14 | CybDev | well that depends a lot on the controllers internal cache size doesnt it? |
| 14:24.38 | CybDev | the db software and os will hand it off to the controller and/or disk |
| 14:24.41 | CybDev | and those typically have smaller caches |
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| 14:24.54 | CybDev | we dont have a single hwraid controller with more than 1gb onboard cache |
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| 14:25.11 | Trae32566-NE | also, keep in mind that you need enterprise grade parts for things like that |
| 14:25.17 | Trae32566-NE | this is why Samsung has the Pro series |
| 14:25.23 | reran | hi |
| 14:25.33 | CybDev | ah, but do those really qualify for "enterprise" parts? |
| 14:25.35 | reran | i just installed python3.3.2 on debian but donno how to set python3 command in terminak |
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| 14:25.41 | reran | terminal* |
| 14:25.41 | OpenTokix | CybDev: I have a machine with eight intel ssd's - writing: 320782118 blocks/day - uptime 410 days - not a single drive has failed yet. |
| 14:25.44 | reran | can anyone help me |
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| 14:25.59 | CybDev | and what are their expected lifetime writes? |
| 14:26.05 | CybDev | and your blocksize is 4k? |
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| 14:26.07 | Trae32566-NE | CybDev, thats the thing |
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| 14:26.13 | Trae32566-NE | warranty is not expected lifetime |
| 14:26.17 | OpenTokix | CybDev: yes, 1.2TB/day |
| 14:26.29 | OpenTokix | sorry, Gig |
| 14:26.33 | Trae32566-NE | if you want expected lifetime, look at the actual reviews |
| 14:26.36 | OpenTokix | 1.2G day |
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| 14:26.56 | CybDev | what kinda intel ssd's btw? |
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| 14:27.05 | OpenTokix | CybDev: SSDSA2CW300G3 |
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| 14:27.43 | Trae32566-NE | btw |
| 14:27.56 | Trae32566-NE | most SSDs have like 128 - 512M of RAM |
| 14:28.09 | Trae32566-NE | usually LPDDR2 or LPDDR3 |
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| 14:28.45 | reran | no one to help me ? :( |
| 14:28.47 | OpenTokix | CybDev: Another machine writed 1,6G/day - and its divided on 23 SSDSA2CW300G3 |
| 14:28.53 | OpenTokix | also no single fail - for 336 days |
| 14:29.06 | Trae32566-NE | reran, not sure what you mean |
| 14:29.16 | petn-randall | pithagorians: Ok, so you have a graphics card. What is the problem you have? |
| 14:29.19 | reran | i just installed python3.3.2 |
| 14:29.48 | pithagorians | petn-randall: i can't see it's real name in system |
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| 14:29.52 | reran | if i use python on terminal it will print to python 2.7 version and opens python for codding ... |
| 14:29.53 | Trae32566-NE | alright, so to use it, you run python3 |
| 14:29.58 | pithagorians | it looks like some generic nvidia |
| 14:30.00 | Trae32566-NE | reran, python3 |
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| 14:30.04 | pithagorians | however it is tesla |
| 14:30.05 | reran | but i donno how to add python3 to terminal |
| 14:30.11 | reran | i know but it doesnt work |
| 14:30.15 | Trae32566-NE | o.O |
| 14:30.16 | baccenfutter | hi! I have this third-party github repo included in my sources.list. When running apt-get update I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" and upstream persist, that the problem is on my side. I've tryied so many things, like deleting all caches, removing the repo, cleaing index, readding, updating, but can't get past the error. Any ideas? |
| 14:30.24 | reran | i should tell terminal that where is python3 and ... i donno this |
| 14:30.33 | petn-randall | pithagorians: 'update-pciids' as root, it should work after that. |
| 14:30.37 | Trae32566-NE | did you build it from source or something? |
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| 14:31.11 | petn-randall | reran: What release are you running on? how did you install python3? |
| 14:31.14 | pithagorians | petn-randall: thx alot |
| 14:31.21 | reran | you got what i said ? |
| 14:31.37 | reran | i installed by package |
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| 14:31.40 | reran | wget package ... |
| 14:31.59 | Trae32566-NE | why didn't you apt-get install it |
| 14:32.00 | Trae32566-NE | >.> |
| 14:32.04 | petn-randall | pithagorians: You're welcome :) |
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| 14:32.09 | reran | ./configure |
| 14:32.13 | petn-randall | reran: What release of your OS? |
| 14:32.14 | reran | make |
| 14:32.15 | reran | make install |
| 14:32.21 | Trae32566-NE | oh jesus, he built it from source |
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| 14:32.23 | reran | it's debian 7 |
| 14:32.26 | Trae32566-NE | facedesks |
| 14:32.35 | Svetlina | lols |
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| 14:32.55 | reran | i tried apt-get but it wants to install from cd and old package ... |
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| 14:33.07 | reran | for this i searched and installed by wget ... |
| 14:33.07 | Trae32566-NE | reran, sudo apt-get update |
| 14:33.14 | Trae32566-NE | sudo apt-get install python3 |
| 14:33.19 | petn-randall | reran: So instead of fixing your broken installation, you broke it more by installing stuff over it? |
| 14:33.22 | Trae32566-NE | why do you need python 3.3? |
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| 14:33.36 | Trae32566-NE | what exactly do you need that python 3.2 won't provide |
| 14:33.44 | Trae32566-NE | keep in mind, I'm a pythonista ~.^ |
| 14:33.52 | reran | i just started python and wanna start on 3 not 2 ... |
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| 14:34.04 | Trae32566-NE | alright, then just apt-get install it |
| 14:34.09 | Trae32566-NE | there's no reason to build from source |
| 14:34.09 | reran | so now what should i do |
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| 14:34.15 | reran | ow |
| 14:34.26 | reran | i should use this right now ? |
| 14:34.26 | reran | sudo apt-get install python3 |
| 14:34.32 | Trae32566-NE | no |
| 14:34.36 | Trae32566-NE | first do sudo apt-get update |
| 14:35.02 | Trae32566-NE | then sudo apt-get install python3 |
| 14:35.35 | reran | ok |
| 14:35.37 | reran | ow |
| 14:35.38 | reran | it's updating |
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| 14:35.49 | reran | another question while it's updating |
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| 14:36.14 | reran | and also i sould not install postgresql by source? it has apt-get package also ? |
| 14:36.29 | reran | it finished "sudo apt-get update" |
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| 14:36.57 | reran | now i should run "sudo apt-get install python3" ? |
| 14:36.58 | mayhew | reran: never install anything by source, Debian most likely has a package for everything you'll need |
| 14:37.05 | Trae32566-NE | ^^ |
| 14:37.11 | reran | ok thanks |
| 14:37.26 | Trae32566-NE | the one exception to this is if you absolutely *must* have a certain version, and you can't grab it from anywhere else |
| 14:37.28 | mayhew | reran: that's the whole advantage of using a Linux distro, someone else has already done the hard work for you. |
| 14:37.47 | Trae32566-NE | and in this case, you should compile it, then package it, then install it |
| 14:37.48 | reran | uhum |
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| 14:37.58 | Trae32566-NE | that way it goes through dpkg |
| 14:38.07 | Trae32566-NE | and it can be removed with ease |
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| 14:38.14 | Trae32566-NE | with a compilation...have fun removing that crap |
| 14:38.15 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
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| 14:38.27 | mayhew | or --prefix in home directory |
| 14:38.45 | mayhew | never sudo make install anything lol |
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| 14:38.53 | reran | now i should uninstall that package that i installed and then apt-get new one or it doesnt need to uninstall ? |
| 14:39.12 | mayhew | yes, if you installed python3 from source you should uninstall it |
| 14:39.23 | Trae32566-NE | although I have no idea how that works |
| 14:39.23 | Trae32566-NE | lol |
| 14:39.33 | Trae32566-NE | or how well it works |
| 14:39.43 | Trae32566-NE | so...anyone ever heard of a Debian Hurd build? |
| 14:39.52 | reran | how can i install ? |
| 14:40.06 | reran | uninstall !! |
| 14:40.13 | mayhew | reran, go into the directory you typed "sudo make uninstall" in |
| 14:40.20 | mayhew | sudo make install* |
| 14:40.25 | mayhew | and type "sudo make uninstall" |
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| 14:40.54 | baccenfutter | please, can anybody tell me where in the name of debian, does apt or aptitiude store any Hashsums? When I update the repos on machine A I get hash sum mismatch. when I ann the repo locally and run aptitude update, everything is fine. There must be a place other than /var/lib/apt/ |
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| 14:41.11 | baccenfutter | s/ann/add/ |
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| 14:41.33 | jhutchins_wk | baccenfutter: Have you tried aptitude clean all? |
| 14:41.49 | themill | that won't do anything... |
| 14:41.50 | baccenfutter | jhutchins_wk: even together with removing the repo beforehands and readding it afterwards |
| 14:42.09 | themill | baccenfutter: /var/lib/apt/lists/ and /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is the only place |
| 14:42.15 | Trae32566-NE | I misread that as 'redditting it' |
| 14:42.19 | baccenfutter | remove repo, clean index, rm caches, add repo, apt-get update -> hash sum mismatch |
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| 14:42.28 | petn-randall | baccenfutter: Do 'apt-get clean', if that doesn't fix it, it's the repos fault. |
| 14:42.36 | jhutchins_wk | baccenfutter: That probably means that the filelist as downloaded does not match the checksum from the mirror. This sometimes happens when an update hangs or is incomplete. |
| 14:42.37 | themill | clean doesn't do anything here... |
| 14:42.40 | baccenfutter | themill: can't be! I have rm -rf the entire contents and still get the error |
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| 14:42.51 | themill | baccenfutter: is this a repo you are looking after? |
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| 14:43.33 | themill | baccenfutter: is there anything between "machine A" and the repo like a proxy or a silly web "login page" or the like? |
| 14:43.40 | baccenfutter | yes, a github repo -> NIPAP -> http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/getting-started-installation.html |
| 14:43.46 | reran | ow the directory i tar it ? or where it's installed ? i have two pythons ... one in /opt/python3 one in home/reran/python-3.3.2 |
| 14:43.47 | baccenfutter | themill: no proxy |
| 14:44.00 | petn-randall | themill: Well, it delete any downloaded packages, which may be the reason there's a hashsum mismatch. |
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| 14:44.23 | baccenfutter | and yes, there has been a partiall install, that broke and I had to uncludder things. |
| 14:44.27 | themill | petn-randall: hashsum mismatches are between Release and Packages files |
| 14:45.12 | petn-randall | themill: IIRC you can also have them between Packages and the actual package. |
| 14:45.23 | petn-randall | baccenfutter: Can you paste the actual error message? |
| 14:45.34 | petn-randall | baccenfutter: http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:45.36 | themill | petn-randall: not from an aptitude update you can't |
| 14:45.48 | petn-randall | themill: Oh, must've missed that part. |
| 14:46.16 | petn-randall | themill: Ah, found the line I missed, sorry for the noise. |
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| 14:48.02 | baccenfutter | https://gist.github.com/baccenfutter/5663296 |
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| 14:50.34 | rphillips | what is the best practice of shutting down a service on package removal? is it in the postrm file? |
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| 14:51.04 | petn-randall | rphillips: Yes, in postrm, using the init script. |
| 14:51.19 | nkuttler | shouldn't it prerm as rm could remove the init script? |
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| 14:51.42 | nkuttler | s/it/it be/ |
| 14:51.58 | petn-randall | rphillips: If it's a package meant for Debian, on OFTC there's #debian-mentors, which might help you further. |
| 14:52.11 | rphillips | ok. thanks |
| 14:52.12 | petn-randall | nkuttler, rphillips, woops, yes, prerm. |
| 14:52.32 | Mike3620 | How do I switch my IP address I have a block of 5 static IPs |
| 14:52.50 | nkuttler | Mike3620: ip/ifconfig ? |
| 14:53.05 | nkuttler | Mike3620: how did you get/set your ip in the first place? |
| 14:53.18 | Mike3620 | nkuttler: From my ISP |
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| 14:53.41 | nkuttler | Mike3620: your box. e.g. dhcp, static config... |
| 14:53.44 | Mike3620 | But I don't know how to switch them |
| 14:53.55 | Mike3620 | Static |
| 14:54.03 | petn-randall | Mike3620: If they're statically configured, you do that with /etc/network/interfaces on a server. Check "man interfaces". To do it manually, you use "ip". |
| 14:54.17 | Mike3620 | Thank you |
| 14:54.25 | nkuttler | Mike3620: if you have a router you might have to configure that instead |
| 14:55.06 | MichaelP | on music video's vlc is getting static.. would it help if ./etc/pulseaudio/depfault.pa i use tsched=0 ? |
| 14:55.58 | petn-randall | MichaelP: No idea, try it out. Do you get static on other videos with vlc? |
| 14:56.51 | MichaelP | petn-randall, about every other video |
| 14:57.26 | themill | baccenfutter: the hashsums look fine to me. sounds a lot like you have something between you and it that is serving you stale data. What do you get from "wget -O- http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/repos/apt/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages | sha256sum" |
| 14:57.51 | petn-randall | MichaelP: What do you mean with static? Like, white noise? Or do you hear the audio track + clicks/pops? |
| 14:57.56 | baccenfutter | 8dadf8e6c8b86fd1778e8a1a8c9b17a9db6b09cb79bd0af51a1ec1f43fe4fe85 |
| 14:58.11 | themill | baccenfutter: looks fine |
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| 14:58.35 | baccenfutter | scratches his head to the bone... |
| 14:58.48 | themill | and «wget -O- http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/repos/apt/dists/stable/Release | grep 8dadf8e6c»? |
| 14:58.49 | baccenfutter | ah! |
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| 14:59.22 | baccenfutter | could it be, that the mismatch results from a package being installed from an older snapshot of the repo? e.g. the repo and packages have changed sind installing $package |
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| 14:59.39 | MichaelP | petn-randall, like a radio station that is out of tune |
| 14:59.58 | themill | baccenfutter: no, apt is saying that the Packages file it downloaded doesn't match the Release file it downloaded. |
| 15:00.10 | MichaelP | Whats the command to kill and start pulseaudio |
| 15:00.19 | petn-randall | MichaelP: Ah, I see. Does anything play sensible output with your sound card? |
| 15:00.30 | baccenfutter | themill: so my question remains. where would apt store this information other than the folder I rm'd recursivly? |
| 15:00.53 | themill | baccenfutter: what did «wget -O- http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/repos/apt/dists/stable/Release | grep 8dadf8e6c» say? |
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| 15:01.28 | baccenfutter | it matches. |
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| 15:01.35 | MichaelP | petn-randall, yes everything plays good .. its just sometimes this laptop don't like older software packages to well |
| 15:01.41 | petn-randall | baccenfutter: Try /var/cache/apt/ |
| 15:02.00 | themill | baccenfutter: apt doesn't store this anywhere except /var/lib/apt/lists. Other crap between you and the server might, however. |
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| 15:02.59 | baccenfutter | hm, can I rm 'rf /var/cache/apt/* or will that braek more? |
| 15:03.57 | petn-randall | baccenfutter: Actually, that dir should be pretty much empty if you did 'apt-get clean'. |
| 15:04.24 | nkuttler | baccenfutter: or autoclean |
| 15:04.29 | fejk | exit |
| 15:04.33 | fejk | obs ^ |
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| 15:05.16 | Nahiyan | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ -- anyone know why the checksum files show 10 DVDs when there are 3 files? |
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| 15:06.14 | themill | Nahiyan: because if you were one of the 5 people in the world who really needed the other images, you could generated them yourself and get those checksums |
| 15:06.15 | Nahiyan | downloads by HTTP/FTP are the same.. |
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| 15:06.34 | Nahiyan | oh |
| 15:06.51 | Nahiyan | who are the other 4? |
| 15:06.56 | Nahiyan | I'd like to know them |
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| 15:07.19 | petn-randall | Nahiyan: They're sitting in a nuclear bunker without internet access. |
| 15:07.35 | petn-randall | Which is why they didn't use netinstall. |
| 15:07.42 | Nahiyan | NO INTERNET!? That is torture |
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| 15:08.36 | baccenfutter | I'm giving up and calling it a day. Obviously Wheezy needs to be completely reinstalled to fix a hash sum mismatch, which can not be in the first place. Thanks for trying, though, I appreciate it. |
| 15:09.17 | petn-randall | Nahiyan: Any wire going inside there could just carry the spark that is induced by the EMP. |
| 15:09.28 | themill | baccenfutter: I'd be suspicious of what is between that machine and the repo at this stage. |
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| 15:10.11 | themill | baccenfutter: (which means it should rectify itself in time) |
| 15:10.11 | baccenfutter | themill: a layer-3 router and some tcp hops. nothing greater layer 4. |
| 15:10.21 | petn-randall | baccenfutter: I've never had to reinstall because of a hashsum mismatch. |
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| 15:11.04 | Krister | hi |
| 15:11.11 | themill | baccenfutter: well your output seems to suggest otherwise at this stage. *shrug* |
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| 15:12.39 | Krister | I'm having trouble understanding how to create a user for the sole purpose to upload files to the server. The user should not be able to do anything but upload and access just one folder. |
| 15:12.44 | baccenfutter | themill: you are so ABSOLUTLY RIGHT. It is just that collegues don't listen to me when I say where to put the proxy setting. |
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| 15:13.03 | themill | /o\ |
| 15:13.12 | tharkun | I want to find out what font xterm is using. How can I figure that one out? |
| 15:13.14 | baccenfutter | themill: for unknown reason he put the acquire statement directly into apt.conf and not into an own file under apt.conf.d, like I asked them to. |
| 15:13.23 | Krister | google is filled with strange answers. some very old and seem obsolete, some very-very complicated |
| 15:13.28 | themill | baccenfutter: old skool. |
| 15:14.54 | baccenfutter | themill: well now I rly rly appreciate your support. Thanks for the help! |
| 15:14.58 | baccenfutter | =) |
| 15:15.12 | baccenfutter | petn-randall: thanks to you too! |
| 15:15.17 | themill | baccenfutter: happy hunting! |
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| 15:15.25 | petn-randall | baccenfutter: Problem found and fixed. Hooray! |
| 15:15.38 | themill | We have a nice big cluebat you can borrow if you want to use it for a bit |
| 15:15.59 | petn-randall | You can have my L.A.R.T., too, if you need it. |
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| 15:23.21 | TheWarden | petn-randall: oh okay, I'll look into autofs thanks. |
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| 15:24.50 | g0to | hello |
| 15:25.26 | g0to | I'm looking for a way to change the window title of an xterm like terminal based on my username and host |
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| 15:26.08 | g0to | I came up with this, although I don't fully understand how it works -> \[\e]0;${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\a\] |
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| 15:26.25 | Eryn_1983_Fl | hey peeps i cant find tex2lyx what package is it suppose to be in i tread apt-cache but i dont think i did it right, |
| 15:26.35 | g0to | what's the part that changes the window title? |
| 15:27.41 | tharkun | Eryn_1983_Fl: apt-file search tex2lyx will tell you that it comes with lyx |
| 15:27.49 | g0to | Eryn_1983_Fl, try installing lyx |
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| 15:35.05 | Eryn_1983_Fl | ok i think i figured out the issue i got a .cls file i dont know what to do with its got custom commands/variables in it lol |
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| 15:38.40 | Eryn_1983_Fl | bahhh |
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| 15:41.27 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_Fl: Try to use punctuation, it's otherwise hard to understand what you write (sorry). |
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| 15:41.48 | Eryn_1983_Fl | ok i am trying to use lyx, it needs to import a latex file.. |
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| 15:42.40 | Eryn_1983_Fl | but the latex file is calling a .cls command for some custom actions/rules that are in my .tex file soo i need to know hwo do i reference the .cls file in lyx or where do i put it to search for the those commands |
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| 15:43.21 | Eryn_1983_Fl | ok i knew i had some docs, heading to the debian wiki |
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| 15:43.34 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 15:44.18 | johnfg | I'm not on squeeze now, but wheezy. However, to restore my evolution contacts I need to know what version of e.d.s. is on squeeze. Would someone be kind enough to look that up? |
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| 15:44.51 | petn-randall | johnfg: Check out http://packages.debian.org |
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| 15:48.06 | johnfg | petn-randall: Thanks, that got it. |
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| 15:53.24 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.49 | ksk | there are plenty of frontends for iptables i guess. |
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| 15:59.57 | ksk | "firestarter" for example |
| 15:59.59 | Quest | ksk, any web based front end? |
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| 16:00.02 | ksk | ,versions firestarter |
| 16:00.03 | judd | Package: firestarter on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.3-8; jessie: 1.0.3-11; sid: 1.0.3-11; wheezy: 1.0.3-11 |
| 16:00.09 | Quest | ksk, firestaterter is not web based |
| 16:00.13 | ksk | Quest: please use google by yourself. |
| 16:00.23 | Quest | then i made a mistake coming here |
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| 16:06.34 | Quest | http://www.iptables.info/en/iptables-gui.html |
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| 16:12.47 | TheWarden | petn-randall: Is the package name also called autofs? I'm wanting to put this on Debian Squeeze 64-bit system. |
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| 16:19.46 | jelly | ,v autofs |
| 16:19.48 | judd | Package: autofs on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 5.0.7-3~bpo60+1; jessie: 5.0.7-3; sid: 5.0.7-3; wheezy: 5.0.7-3 |
| 16:19.52 | jelly | ,v autofs5 |
| 16:19.53 | judd | Package: autofs5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.0.4-3.2; squeeze-backports: 5.0.7-3~bpo60+1; jessie: 5.0.7-3; sid: 5.0.7-3; wheezy: 5.0.7-3 |
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| 16:20.53 | jelly | TheWarden: autofs5 for squeeze, unless you want to use the slightly newer version from squeeze-backports |
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| 16:26.34 | TheWarden | jelly: ahh not sure if I should use autofs5 as it states its experimental and I was going to use this in a production environment. |
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| 16:27.16 | jackbrown | is there anyone that could help me ? I need to reserveve an outoing/incoming bandwidth on my router for my VOIP adapter to guarantee th Quality of Service. Does anyone has experience about that ? |
| 16:27.48 | jelly | TheWarden: I don't think I would recommend using either autofs4 or 5 in any kind of prod. environment |
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| 16:28.44 | jelly | TheWarden: but that's probably more due to filesystems I've used with both (nfs) |
| 16:29.02 | TheWarden | jelly: Darn, well I guess I'll just have to deal with the service going down then and fixing it manually. |
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| 16:31.14 | jelly | TheWarden: well, autofs can save you from that _usually_ |
| 16:31.20 | TheWarden | I have a situation where one server is some times up before the other. Therefore a NFS share is not connected successfully at boot time via /etc/fstab. So I thought autofs5 might be the answer. |
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| 16:32.09 | TheWarden | I could maybe figure out how to mount without having to use sudo so then I could do this within the PHP script that requires the share. |
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| 16:32.40 | jelly | it isn't really. It's useful to automatically mount things at access time, but your apps are still going to whine and moan if they try to access while the server is down |
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| 16:33.25 | TheWarden | jelly: Well that's fine if the server is down, I just want it to try to auto mount again if found not accessible as in most cases the server is present just not at boot time. |
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| 16:34.36 | jelly | I guess it might work for that purpose |
| 16:34.59 | jelly | with something like a huge timeout, to never get unmounted for inactivity |
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| 16:36.14 | MichaelP | Why is sid useing gnome-shell 3.4.2 and gtk 3.8.2 ? i would have asked that in debian-next but it said You have been kicked from #debian-next by ChanServ (You are not authorized to be on this channel) |
| 16:36.43 | TheWarden | well not if its experimental... I just need something to try again to mount X amount of times or even get it to mount within my php code maybe without using sudo but that would break security I would imagine. |
| 16:36.50 | jelly | MichaelP: #debian-next is not on Freenode, the channel moved to irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 16:37.04 | jelly | MichaelP: that's what the topic tries to say |
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| 16:37.49 | MichaelP | jelly, ohh ok |
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| 16:38.34 | jelly | TheWarden: it's been "experimental" for like 5-10 years |
| 16:38.56 | TheWarden | jelly: Oh really, mmm well then maybe it is fine for production use then. |
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| 16:39.56 | TheWarden | I suppose I could just have a BASH script too just check the share and if not available try to re-mount it for me and run that script via a cron job as root. |
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| 16:40.52 | MichaelP | jelly, is there a difference in useing the debian on freenode and the debian channel on oftc ? |
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| 16:41.44 | jelly | MichaelP: #debian? They serve the same purpose. |
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| 16:42.17 | jelly | the one on oftc seems to have less people, but I don't know whether it has less people that actually answer |
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| 16:42.39 | MichaelP | I noticed freenode has faster respounce... and oftc says my nick is not registerd |
| 16:43.22 | jelly | different network, separate registration required |
| 16:43.33 | TheWarden | MichaelP: Maybe faster responses because you happen to catch the people online at the right time or that they ones on knew the answers. Hard to judge that I would think. |
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| 16:45.17 | MichaelP | TheWarden, plus freenode has twice as many users!! |
| 16:45.48 | jelly | personally, I can't bother with two generic #debian channels, but many of the knowledgeable people I know stay present in both |
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| 16:46.03 | TheWarden | MichaelP: I would have to go back on what Jelly said, its not always the amount of people. |
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| 16:49.20 | passstab | hi, can anyone recommend a elementary cellular automaton program? |
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| 16:51.05 | mumpitze1 | passstab: golly, zivot |
| 16:51.11 | passstab | thanks |
| 16:51.18 | tuxcrafter | hi all i install debian 7 to a virtual machine |
| 16:51.30 | tuxcrafter | but it cant run gnome3 (nno 3d power) |
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| 16:51.44 | tuxcrafter | but he vm wont show any fallback |
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| 16:52.01 | tuxcrafter | it said oh no something has gone wrong |
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| 16:53.42 | leafwiz | Hey, I have an perl web app which needs to connect up to port 80. It does not have the s bit set. But I would like to run it as root , when I boot up. I have made a init.d script by copying skeleton. But it does not start after a reboot. +x bit is set on the script |
| 16:55.12 | leafwiz | What is the best thing to do? Give the script the s bit? |
| 16:55.53 | nkuttler | leafwiz: run it on a non-privileged port and reverse proxy it |
| 16:56.22 | leafwiz | Where should I do the reverse proxy ? |
| 16:56.29 | nkuttler | leafwiz: i use nginx |
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| 16:56.47 | nkuttler | leafwiz: to debug your script... set +x i guess, but running a webapp as root is baaaad |
| 16:56.59 | nkuttler | leafwiz: oh wait, see also update-rc.d |
| 16:57.06 | leafwiz | nkuttler: hehe.. yeah. I kinda know, its bad. |
| 16:57.26 | leafwiz | but I probably use that nginx |
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| 17:00.51 | leafwiz | nkuttler: How should I set it up? should I have nginx run the web service? I use perl dancer, so it has an inbuild web server |
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| 17:02.07 | nkuttler | leafwiz: run your app on an unprivileged port on 127.0.0.1 and see http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpProxyModule |
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| 17:02.52 | TheWarden | I altered my /etc/fstab is there some way I can have that re-read without having to reboot the system? |
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| 17:03.06 | nkuttler | leafwiz: nginx runs externally on port 80 and you can proxy it to the local service |
| 17:03.29 | nkuttler | leafwiz: it's a pretty common setup with app servers, especially useful if you have more than one webapp |
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| 17:05.22 | paranoids | TheWarden: simple run "mount -o remount /yourmountpointyouchanged" |
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| 17:06.29 | TheWarden | paranoids: oh really, cool. thanks. |
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| 17:07.18 | leafwiz | nkuttler: aha.. Can I just use the first examle, or is there more config to do. Long document.. :) |
| 17:07.49 | ksuhku | perhaps just mount -a |
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| 17:08.06 | nkuttler | leafwiz: for a config example see /etc/nginx/sites-available/default, you add that proxy stuff into the server section |
| 17:08.37 | nkuttler | leafwiz: have you configured apache on debian yet? you also need to create a link to the site config unless you modify the default file |
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| 17:10.09 | nkuttler | leafwiz: btw, you might want to ask in a dancer-specific channel, maybe there are special deployment patterns.. |
| 17:10.23 | nkuttler | leafwiz: e.g. with nginx you usually let nginx handle static and media files |
| 17:10.42 | nkuttler | as it's more efficient than some higher level app server |
| 17:11.20 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.59 | nkuttler | leafwiz: btw, i guess see also http://search.cpan.org/~yanick/Dancer-1.3113/lib/Dancer/Deployment.pod#Running_stand-alone_behind_a_proxy_/_load_balancer |
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| 17:14.09 | leafwiz | nkuttler: aha.. Thx. I'll have something to chew on, now. ;) |
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| 17:15.06 | johnfg | Is there deb-multimedia for wheezy for installing adobe acrobat? |
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| 17:15.58 | petn-randall | johnfg: You'll have to ask the author of that site, deb-multimedia.org is a 3rd party repository and not part of Debian. |
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| 17:32.10 | TheWarden | mm what do I have wrong here, in this line from my /etc/fstab, //192.168.0.192/pcdata /mnt/punchdata cifs ro,user,username='username',password='password' 0 0 ? As it was my understanding that once I added the user option, I could do mount or mount -o remount /mnt/punchdata without being root? |
| 17:32.37 | TheWarden | However when I do those commands it states "mount: only root can do that" |
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| 17:33.42 | jelly-home | TheWarden: I think you can just "mount /mnt/punchdata", remounting still won't work |
| 17:34.22 | jelly-home | TheWarden: if you want to let a user do it, it might be better to configure sudo and allow them to run just those two commands |
| 17:34.52 | TheWarden | jelly-home: ahh okay I'll check into trying those to options. thanks. |
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| 17:51.04 | petn-randall | Is there a simple way to revert a conffile (in this case an init script) to the packaged default? |
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| 17:54.02 | petn-randall | (I was hoping jelly-home knows it, he always does!) |
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| 17:56.05 | nkuttler | !tell petn-randall about confmiss |
| 17:56.14 | nkuttler | petn-randall: you probably have to remove the conf file for this to work though |
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| 17:58.13 | petn-randall | nkuttler: Ah, nice, thanks. |
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| 18:01.01 | petn-randall | nkuttler: Hmm ... there must be a bug somewhere. "debsums -c -e | grep init.d" show me /etc/init.d/networking as changed, but renaming it to networking~ and reinstalling ifupdown as told, "diff -urN networking~ networking" gives me nothing back. |
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| 18:02.49 | petn-randall | So either debsums is lying or in postinst the conffile it gets changed ... |
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| 18:06.27 | tharkun | what is the --arch value for a 32 bit debootstrap chroot? |
| 18:06.28 | blubberdiblub | petn-randall, which version of the ifupdown package do you have installed? |
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| 18:08.20 | _DomY-Dom | Hey, when using the "dd" tool on Linux, does the flashdrive you are burning the iso on have to have a partition or just have unallocated space? |
| 18:09.24 | petn-randall | blubberdiblub: 0.7.8, from wheezy |
| 18:09.48 | blubberdiblub | _DomY-Dom, the recommended way is to overwrite the complete flashdrive with the image. i.e. all preexisting partitions get lost. you don't need to have any preexisting partitions. a completely blank drive does it, too |
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| 18:09.51 | petn-randall | tharkun: i386 |
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| 18:10.18 | blubberdiblub | petn-randall, that's my md5sum: b91fa5f0529020176659b341b7a1a740 /etc/init.d/networking |
| 18:10.19 | reran | hi |
| 18:10.31 | blubberdiblub | petn-randall, and debsums doesn't complain here |
| 18:10.32 | reran | root@Debian:/home/reran# apt-get install python-psycopg2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package python-psycopg2 |
| 18:10.33 | reran | can any one help plz |
| 18:10.44 | tharkun | petn-randall: thanks, it should be noted somewhere on the man page or /usr/share/doc/... |
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| 18:13.13 | reran | help me plz |
| 18:13.33 | petn-randall | blubberdiblub: Same md5sum here. Reinstalling the package ifupdown doesn't fix it. WTH is debsums doing? |
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| 18:13.55 | petn-randall | reran: The package doesn't exist. |
| 18:14.30 | reran | so i need to install psycopg2 |
| 18:14.33 | blubberdiblub | petn-randall, well, if your md5sum of the file agrees with mine, the file should actually be fine. i'd say your debsums refers to wrong (outdated, corrupt, readonly, you name it) md5sum information then |
| 18:14.36 | petn-randall | reran: Err, wait, it does. Try running "apt-get update" before. |
| 18:14.36 | reran | what should i do |
| 18:16.26 | reran | i did |
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| 18:16.52 | reran | i just want to install python-psycopg2 and cannot find any thing for that |
| 18:17.22 | petn-randall | reran: Then "apt-get update" must have given you an error, or not? Can you paste the output to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 18:17.58 | petn-randall | reran: Or you have an empty/broken sources.list. Can you also paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"? |
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| 18:18.55 | reran | http://paste.debian.net/7114/ |
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| 18:20.31 | petn-randall | reran: Looks like you're missing a full sources.list. Can you paste yours? |
| 18:20.35 | reran | http://paste.debian.net/7115/ |
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| 18:22.06 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell reran -about sources.list |
| 18:22.37 | reran | what ? |
| 18:23.02 | petn-randall | reran: dpkg should have notified you of the proper content. |
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| 18:23.28 | reran | nothing is here ! |
| 18:23.46 | jelly-home | petn-randall: /msg dpkg confnew |
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| 18:24.09 | jelly-home | ... in case you haven't found that one out yet |
| 18:24.11 | petn-randall | reran: dpkg queried you, what IRC client are you using? |
| 18:24.30 | petn-randall | jelly-home: sorry, nkuttler beat you to it. Silver medal for you ;) |
| 18:24.36 | reran | webchat i am |
| 18:24.37 | reran | oh |
| 18:24.39 | reran | ok |
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| 18:24.41 | reran | wait |
| 18:24.42 | reran | i see |
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| 18:26.33 | petn-randall | jelly-home: I like the confmiss way more though, that way you can selectively decide which conffiles to "upgrade". |
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| 18:33.18 | larks | is there such a thing where a computer can act as a package buffer? So if you multiple computers don't have to DL as much? Not like a mirror which IIRC you have to DL all of the packages but it just DLs them as you need them |
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| 18:34.06 | reran | i downloaded from pypi,python and installed manually by setup.py |
| 18:34.08 | blubberdiblub | !tell larks about apt-proxy |
| 18:34.18 | tensorpudding | anyone know exim? |
| 18:34.48 | rndnick0aff | !ask |
| 18:34.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:34.57 | sweeper | tensorpudding: use postfix! </smtpwars> |
| 18:35.03 | tensorpudding | i tried disabling ipv6 in my exim config as per http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 but i still get dozens of annoying warnings about asking for AAAA records and getting A instead |
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| 18:35.53 | Dagger2 | tensorpudding: does it stop if you switch to a different DNS server? |
| 18:35.56 | Dagger2 | e.g. 8.8.8.8 for testing |
| 18:36.13 | tensorpudding | i imagine it probably might, but i don't want to do that |
| 18:36.21 | sweeper | I have compiled Mesa-9.1.3 and installed using checkinstall, however it is not being picked up by glxinfo, and if I try to uninstall the old mesa version, I get a zillion packages being uninstalled as well |
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| 18:36.43 | tensorpudding | otherwise, it won't be able to recognize the other machines in my network just by hostname |
| 18:36.51 | Dagger2 | tensorpudding: if your server is broken, then you need to fix or replace the server |
| 18:36.56 | oldswag_ | Hi, does anyone here have any experience with installing debian on a headless server by creating a preseed? |
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| 18:37.14 | tensorpudding | my dns server is a commercial router that i don't have privileges to |
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| 18:37.49 | larks | thanks blubberdiblub |
| 18:37.53 | tensorpudding | and i really don't care if it fails to support ipv6 properly |
| 18:38.22 | Dagger2 | tensorpudding: well, you should at least test it, to narrow down where the problem is |
| 18:39.15 | tensorpudding | i don't know how to make exim request AAAA records myself |
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| 18:40.12 | tensorpudding | really all exim does is local mail anyway, i don't have any idea why it keeps trying to do this |
| 18:40.29 | petn-randall | reran: Did you get the messages from dpkg and could you fix your sources.list yet? |
| 18:40.32 | sweeper | so no ideas on getting mesa 9 installed? :/ |
| 18:40.46 | reran | na i just did anything else |
| 18:41.08 | reran | i downloaded the psycopg2 package tar.bz2 and install by command python setup.py install |
| 18:41.25 | reran | and it fixed but another error after that i got :(( it solved ... |
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| 18:42.37 | petn-randall | reran: Your sources.list is broken, you can't install *anything* with apt at the moment. Fix that first. |
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| 18:43.35 | petn-randall | reran: Installing things by hand defeat the main purpose of using a distro: You have to keep track of bugfixes/security holes by hand and care about building it properly, too. |
| 18:44.03 | reran | so i used the sources.list repair |
| 18:44.15 | sweeper | unless of course you want a version of mesa that's less than a couple years old *cough* |
| 18:44.17 | reran | but it was the same :( |
| 18:44.22 | reran | i also have this error with python-pip |
| 18:44.39 | sweeper | reran: silly, use virtualenv |
| 18:45.00 | reran | root@Debian:/home/reran/Web/Django/blog1# apt-get install python-pip Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package python-pip |
| 18:45.19 | reran | i didnt use that before ... i will try |
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| 18:46.04 | sweeper | reran: and if you use ruby, use virtualenv for that |
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| 18:46.05 | sweeper | err |
| 18:46.10 | sweeper | reran: rvm |
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| 18:46.32 | larks | any experience with apt-proxy ve apt-cacher? |
| 18:46.36 | larks | vs* |
| 18:46.43 | reran | no |
| 18:46.51 | reran | django ... |
| 18:46.55 | reran | i want to use python and postgres |
| 18:46.59 | petn-randall | larks: used both, I personally prefer apt-cacher-ng. |
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| 18:47.28 | Akuw | hi, what is the best virtualization software to debian? |
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| 18:47.31 | petn-randall | reran: Paste the contents of your sources.list again. |
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| 18:47.47 | reran | ok |
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| 18:48.01 | larks | petn-randall: thanks |
| 18:48.07 | larks | google seems to agree with you too =x |
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| 18:48.40 | petn-randall | Akuw: There's no "best", just software that supports your CPU/architecture and suits your need better. |
| 18:48.45 | reran | http://paste.debian.net/7121/ |
| 18:49.06 | petn-randall | reran: Ehm, you didn't change anything? |
| 18:49.09 | petn-randall | !sources.list |
| 18:49.09 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
| 18:49.17 | petn-randall | ^^ read that, do it :) |
| 18:49.22 | reran | no |
| 18:49.26 | reran | i just installed linux |
| 18:49.39 | Akuw | what recomend list? |
| 18:49.40 | reran | im new and i really i dont know how to change anything :)) |
| 18:50.06 | petn-randall | reran: So then you say you did it, and then show you don't? |
| 18:50.11 | reran | let me read again |
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| 18:50.35 | reran | i saw this dpkg |
| 18:51.02 | reran | i did aptitude update |
| 18:51.07 | reran | and it finished |
| 18:51.15 | reran | i doest say anything :-s or i cannot find anything please tell me |
| 18:51.22 | reran | about what should i do |
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| 18:51.53 | Walex | reran: do you know terminal commands like 'cat'? |
| 18:52.18 | Walex | reran: do you have X windows (GUI) running? |
| 18:52.19 | petn-randall | reran: Read it again. You don't have those three lines. |
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| 18:53.27 | Walex | reran: what the previous responders are saying is correct, but they assume that you know how to edit and replace configuration files. I am trying to figure out whether you do. |
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| 18:54.52 | jrk | Hello. I started installing Debian 7 from CD-RW. Almost everything went OK until GRUB installation. I checked disc and it has errors. Is it possible to mount USB stick ad finish installation from it instead corrupted CD-RW? |
| 18:55.05 | no_gravity | Hello! In Debian 6 screenshotting had a dialog where you can choose what to do with the screenshot (copy to clipboard, save...). In Debian 7 its gone. How do I bring it back? |
| 18:55.18 | reran | i know cat but it's about 1 hour i know ... :P i know it's for view and appending some files ... |
| 18:55.25 | reran | huf |
| 18:55.41 | petn-randall | "update-initramfs -k all -u -v" gives me: update-initramfs: Not updating initramfs. Does anyone know why it doesn't update it anymore? |
| 18:55.45 | reran | let me take a look again on source list codes |
| 18:55.47 | Walex | no_gravity: that depends entirely on which screenshot command you want to use |
| 18:55.50 | sweeper | how likely are things to explode if I attempt to install ubuntu's mesa install |
| 18:56.05 | reran | so i should add 3 lines to that file |
| 18:56.07 | Walex | sweeper: depends very much on which ubuntu release. |
| 18:56.20 | Walex | reran: you can replace your file entirely with those 3 lines. |
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| 18:56.29 | morsik | hi, i'm tring to setup pxe automatic installation using preseed |
| 18:56.34 | reran | but i donno how |
| 18:56.37 | sweeper | Walex: uh, whichever has a deb for mesa 9 at this point :P |
| 18:56.47 | petn-randall | sweeper: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 X <- you are here. |
| 18:56.54 | Walex | reran: your file as it is assumes that the Debian packages can come only from your DVD. |
| 18:56.57 | no_gravity | Walex: i just click "print" on my keyboard. |
| 18:57.07 | reran | oh !! |
| 18:57.13 | reran | ok |
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| 18:57.19 | reran | i sould replace the source list file ? |
| 18:57.24 | Walex | reran: except for security updates... |
| 18:57.33 | reran | with that 3 ? |
| 18:57.33 | Walex | reran: yes, and you can use 'cat' for that. |
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| 18:57.42 | sweeper | petn-randall: figured as much. I can find plenty of guides for COMPILING mesa 9, but none for INSTALLING it properly |
| 18:57.51 | Walex | reran: command line: 'cat > /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 18:57.54 | reran | ok let me try |
| 18:57.58 | blubberdiblub | petn-randall, /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf |
| 18:58.10 | morsik | i have this pxelinux setup: http://pastebin.com/8pZKmHxw |
| 18:58.21 | Walex | reran: then you paste the 3 lines between quotes, and then 'Ctrl-D' at the beginning of the line to terminate. |
| 18:58.21 | morsik | but unfortunaletly, debian doesn't see my 'url' argument |
| 18:58.27 | morsik | i checked http server logs |
| 18:58.33 | morsik | and it didn't tried to download preseed file |
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| 18:59.01 | reran | just paste deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main or need anything before or after ? |
| 18:59.14 | Walex | reran: just that. |
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| 18:59.57 | Walex | reran: and the other 2 lines. Later you can add more lines to get access to more types of packages, but for now those 3 lines guaranteed that you get only good, official, supported stuff. |
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| 19:00.25 | reran | ok |
| 19:00.28 | reran | i added |
| 19:00.51 | Walex | reran: 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' to be sure, just check them yourself. |
| 19:00.55 | reran | root@Debian:/home/reran/Web/Django/blog1# cat /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main |
| 19:01.00 | reran | ok |
| 19:01.08 | Walex | reran: well, not here... |
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| 19:01.33 | Walex | reran: here they appeared on a single line. Did they appear on 3 separate lines at your terminal? |
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| 19:04.19 | Walex | reran: once that file is right, please do these two commands: 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-updgrade' |
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| 19:05.27 | Walex | reran: that will download an update list of available packages, and will ensure that all are at their latest official version. |
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| 19:06.20 | Rienzilla | Hey there |
| 19:06.32 | Rienzilla | where do I find the .config the default jessie kernel was built with? |
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| 19:07.01 | reran | disconnected ! i installed pip and psycopg2 |
| 19:07.04 | Walex | Rienzilla: #Debian-next and Jessie will perhaps exist in 2 years |
| 19:07.05 | reran | thanks it works .. |
| 19:07.12 | Walex | reran: once that file is right, please do these two commands: 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-updgrade' |
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| 19:07.22 | Walex | reran: that will download an update list of available packages, and will ensure that all are at their latest official version. |
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| 19:07.46 | reran | thanks |
| 19:07.48 | reran | i did them :P |
| 19:08.01 | Rienzilla | or sorry, I mean 7.0... wheezy? |
| 19:08.11 | Rienzilla | current-stable |
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| 19:08.31 | Walex | reran: fine. Perhaps the best next step is to use a more illustrative package manager like 'aptitude'. |
| 19:08.42 | reran | yeah |
| 19:08.44 | reran | thanks a lot |
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| 19:09.13 | reran | now i have problem with postgres ... you know about that or i should ask anywhere else :P |
| 19:09.49 | Walex | reran: if it is a Debian problem with PostgreSQL here, like installing. If it is using it, #postgresql |
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| 19:10.10 | elkingrey | I'm running Wheezy and my computer freezes to the point where I have to do a hard reboot. It almost always happens within the first 30 minutes of startup. If it's made it an hour without freezing then it seems to last all day long no problem. But I'd say about 33% of the time it freezes within the first 30 minutes. Does anybody have any ideas what this could be? I never had this problem with Ubuntu or Fedora and I'm running 100% free software. |
| 19:10.19 | reran | ok thanks |
| 19:10.22 | reran | ! |
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| 19:10.37 | reran | apt-get dist-updgrade didnt work |
| 19:10.40 | reran | is it ok ? |
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| 19:10.56 | reran | #postgresql |
| 19:11.02 | Walex | reran: try first 'apt-get upgrade' then. A bit strange though. |
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| 19:11.55 | Walex | reran: ahhh I typed it with an extra character; it is 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 19:13.18 | Star_Gazer_1 | may I ask a quick question? |
| 19:13.41 | Walex | Rienzilla: have you looked in '/boot'? |
| 19:13.55 | Walex | Star_Gazer_1: you just did :-) |
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| 19:14.31 | Rienzilla | Walex: I don't have a wheezy system (yet) |
| 19:14.32 | Star_Gazer_1 | Has anyone tried Zoneminder video software, and if so, how does it run on Debian? |
| 19:14.37 | Rienzilla | so, no |
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| 19:15.20 | Walex | Rienzilla: you can download the 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64' package file and unpack it manually. |
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| 19:15.36 | Walex | Rienzilla: the file is '/boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64' |
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| 19:16.00 | reran_ | i disconected |
| 19:16.03 | reran_ | sry |
| 19:16.09 | Walex | reran: ahhh I typed it with an extra character; it is 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 19:16.15 | reran_ | can you send message again sry |
| 19:16.40 | Walex | reran: ahhh I typed it with an extra character; it is 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 19:18.00 | reran_ | thanks |
| 19:19.09 | tuxcrafter | OK i changed my kvm video device to vga and debian 7 with gnome3 still crashes with Oh no! Something has gone wrong\! |
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| 19:21.02 | reran_ | thanks Walex |
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| 19:21.17 | jhutchins_wk | What's that CLI command to launch the appropriate software to open the given file? |
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| 19:21.56 | tuxcrafter | i but i think i know what is wrong |
| 19:22.03 | tuxcrafter | not enough disk space root is full |
| 19:22.30 | Rienzilla | ah thanks |
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| 19:22.57 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, xgd-open, found with apropos. |
| 19:22.58 | Star_Gazer_1 | that's definitely not good |
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| 19:24.39 | tuxcrafter | changed to an 8gb disk |
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| 19:31.14 | dgc_ | hello everybody |
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| 19:33.11 | nkuttler | jrk: you should be able to edit the sources.list i guess |
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| 19:33.33 | dgc_ | anyone here has some experience with debian packaging? |
| 19:33.53 | nkuttler | jrk: not sure though if the grub component has to be loaded from cd you might be out of luck |
| 19:34.13 | nkuttler | jrk: still possible to install grub from a different cd |
| 19:34.20 | nkuttler | !tell dgc_ about mentors |
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| 19:38.36 | tuxcrafter | debian7 is running fine now! |
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| 19:46.55 | eper | i've been poking around for a few hours now, there appears to be no easy method in pressed to put /boot on sda1, LVM-VG on /dev/sdb(not partitioned) - is the right method a massive mv of the chromed filesystem in preseed/late_command? |
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| 19:48.41 | quim | hi |
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| 19:50.59 | quim | lol |
| 19:51.04 | quim | bad network |
| 19:51.06 | quim | bye |
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| 20:03.47 | zlude | someone can tell me what is the command that he is running to get the real time traffic? http://www.routehub.net/writeable/editor_uploads//images/social-network-ip.JPG |
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| 20:06.20 | aFlag | hello. I'm upstream and I'm packaging my code with debian to help out my users. How do I tell pbuilder to create .orig.tar.gz by itself? |
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| 20:08.06 | aFlag | well, actually it's more to help me than my users, since I'm the only user, but I have to install it in multiple machines :P |
| 20:08.24 | aFlag | but one day other people might use it :P |
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| 20:12.56 | duckx0r | I am currently undergoing an upgrade from debian 6 to 7 and it restarted the apache service, but it is not running. Manually starting it produces no errors, but when i do /etc/init.d/apache2 status, it says it's not running |
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| 20:13.55 | duckx0r | Is it possible to get apache to start during upgrade so my site doesn't suffer as much downtime? |
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| 20:16.01 | Woet | i get an error when using ftp.us.debian.org as a mirror during installation, it says it does not support wheezy. any other mirror works fine. any idea why ftp.us.debian.org is broken? |
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| 20:18.59 | rkeene | Woet, I use ftp.use.debian.org's HTTP mirror all the time (using it at this very instant) |
| 20:19.20 | Woet | what is the folder structure supposed to be rkeene? |
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| 20:19.41 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone see why this errors out bringing up my interface? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711390 |
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| 20:19.51 | Woet | hm |
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| 20:20.41 | a_b0y | can you use all FF plugins on IceWeasel? |
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| 20:23.48 | AimHere | a_b0y, probably; most of the differences are cosmetic |
| 20:24.43 | AimHere | Debian probably does change some of the code, but the reason why it's called iceweasel is just to avoid trademark issues |
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| 20:25.39 | mullein | iirc, the primary reason that debian went with the name iceweasel was that firefox artwork wasn't released under a free license |
| 20:26.11 | mullein | oh the trademark issue was related |
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| 20:26.57 | a_b0y | as long as all the plugins work properly IceWeasel would be great |
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| 20:34.00 | Papiertiger | Hi |
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| 20:34.24 | a_b0y | hi |
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| 20:35.20 | moop7 | i am upgrading from debian wheezy to jessie and one of my installed packages seem to be pulling in a bunch of x11 dependencies. how should i find out what package that is? |
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| 20:35.24 | Papiertiger | How do i set my grub back do something like 80x25 in the grub.cfg? did a dist-upgrade after longtime on my server and get an sync out of rang for the vga-port when grub starts |
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| 20:41.05 | Derick | Hey - I am running into https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58021 after my latest apt-get dist-upgrade (debian unstable) - how can I revert to an older (working) kernel? It doesn't seem Synaptic has older versions available anymore |
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| 20:41.54 | ompaul | Derick: choose an older one on reboot |
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| 20:42.18 | ompaul | Derick: part of the joy of running unstable is the ability to work out how to survive :) |
| 20:42.21 | Derick | ompaul: yeah, I would if they were available! |
| 20:42.37 | Derick | boot doesn't provide me with older kernels |
| 20:42.55 | ompaul | hit enter when it shows the kernel |
| 20:43.04 | ompaul | watch a list of little beauties appear |
| 20:43.22 | Derick | uh, it shows me memtest86 in the boot, but no older kernels |
| 20:43.35 | Derick | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.46 | ompaul | did you delete them? |
| 20:43.57 | Arrowmaster | what version of debian are you on and what kernel do you have |
| 20:43.58 | Derick | nope, I think apt just updated it :S |
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| 20:44.09 | Arrowmaster | apt cant remove old kernels |
| 20:44.10 | ompaul | Derick: it doesn't work like that |
| 20:44.12 | Derick | Arrowmaster: debian unstable, latest apt-get distr-upgrade, kernel 3.8-2 |
| 20:44.31 | Arrowmaster | you can install the kernel from wheezy |
| 20:44.41 | Derick | ompaul: then how does it work? :) |
| 20:44.41 | ompaul | even at that - |
| 20:44.46 | ompaul | correctly |
| 20:44.57 | Arrowmaster | or check snapshot.debian.org |
| 20:45.03 | Derick | Arrowmaster: yeah, I can try that. But can I just dl that package? |
| 20:45.04 | ompaul | Derick: reboot the box watch the grub screen and then click |
| 20:45.18 | ompaul | Derick: if it's missing you did something you are not telling us about |
| 20:45.25 | ompaul | and that's not really a good way to proceed |
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| 20:45.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah you can dl the package directly from packages.debian.org |
| 20:45.42 | Derick | ompaul: hmm, I can't think about anything. Definitely not deleted a package |
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| 20:45.45 | Derick | just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:45.49 | ompaul | Derick: so then they are there |
| 20:45.52 | ompaul | this is what you do |
| 20:45.53 | Arrowmaster | dist-upgrade might have done it |
| 20:46.00 | ompaul | na never |
| 20:46.01 | Arrowmaster | normally apt wont delete old kernels |
| 20:46.04 | Derick | ompaul: where should the kernels be? |
| 20:46.13 | ompaul | in /boot |
| 20:46.16 | ompaul | usually |
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| 20:46.27 | Derick | Arrowmaster: that's what I *though* as well |
| 20:46.29 | ompaul | all it does is set the latest kernel in |
| 20:46.33 | ompaul | GRUB |
| 20:46.45 | Derick | http://pastebin.com/yh0xpnwz |
| 20:46.54 | Derick | ompaul: yes, I remember that from earlier upgrades too |
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| 20:49.17 | ompaul | Derick: go to packages.debian.org and grab something |
| 20:49.29 | Derick | ompaul: yes, just installing http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64/download |
| 20:49.30 | ompaul | Derick: you should know how to survive that |
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| 20:49.47 | Derick | brb |
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| 20:50.02 | DammitJim | it's been too long... do I need to do anything after crontab -e ? |
| 20:50.09 | DammitJim | to update cron? |
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| 20:51.37 | Derick | Arrowmaster: cheers, works just fine with the 3.2 kernel from that download! |
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| 20:53.18 | ompaul | DammitJim: why would you :) |
| 20:53.25 | DammitJim | oh, I don't know |
| 20:53.42 | ompaul | DammitJim: on save it triggers the appropriate response |
| 20:53.55 | DammitJim | oh ok, great |
| 20:54.02 | mnuhmnuh | DammitJim: crontab -l to list it :-) |
| 20:54.03 | DammitJim | I think I'm getting it confused with something else |
| 20:54.07 | DammitJim | where I had to kick it LOL |
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| 21:06.08 | a_b0y | BSD license is monopolistic, why does Debian support it? |
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| 21:08.31 | mumpitze1 | BSD license is DFSG conform, so debian has nothing against it at all |
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| 21:19.06 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: The point of the crontab command is that it loads a copy in $EDITOR, then when you save checks syntax/sanity before implementing it. Cron reads the new file when it runs, so if you edit it directly it's just without the safety check. |
| 21:19.42 | a_b0y | with the BSD license you can close source it when any modifications and additions are made, whilst also no longer making it free turning it in proprietary like Microsoft Windows |
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| 21:20.30 | a_b0y | basically the BSD license defeats the purpose of free and open source goals of Debian, whilst taking advantage of all your time and effects |
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| 21:20.36 | a_b0y | efforts* |
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| 21:21.37 | duckx0r | if i connected to a server via ssh and got disconnected (internet went down here), is there any way that I can resume that session? I see tty1 in "w". is there any way I can resume it? |
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| 21:23.12 | ChibaPet | duckx0r: It's a good idea to run sessions like that inside of screen or similar. |
| 21:23.24 | mumpitze1 | duckx0r: no. you want to use screen or tmux next time |
| 21:23.25 | ChibaPet | duckx0r: I don't think you can pick up the session again. |
| 21:23.27 | mumpitze1 | then you can |
| 21:23.49 | duckx0r | thanks ChibaPet and mumpitze1. unfortunately i didn't run screen |
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| 21:25.09 | duckx0r | if it was during a dist-upgrade, what would be the best form of action to not screw things up? just remove the dpkg lock file and do apt-get -f install? |
| 21:25.14 | ChibaPet | duckx0r: Sometimes you can still monitor a long-running process through logs or similar, or restart such a process from within one of thesr programs. |
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| 21:25.45 | ChibaPet | duckx0r: I'd kill any lingering processes and try again the normal way first. |
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| 21:27.00 | duckx0r | ChibaPet, says dpkg was interrupted, so i'm just doing dpkg --reconfigure -a |
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| 21:27.57 | ChibaPet | duckx0r: Whatever the state, in general go from least-invasive to most-invasive in order. |
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| 21:28.45 | ChibaPet | duckx0r: I'm not as familiar as I could be with different breakage scenarios, so if you see anything that makes you pause, I'm sure someone will have more detail than I can provide. But if you restart, doing it inside of a terminal multiplexer would be good. |
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| 21:29.31 | duckx0r | ChibaPet, thanks for your help. i'll give it a go |
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| 21:38.20 | elkingrey | I recently switched to Debian 100% free software from Ubuntu and my old printer no longer works. I'm assuming that in order for the driver to work it would have to be proprietary software, right? Is there a free software driver out there that covers a bunch of printers? |
| 21:40.21 | jhutchins_wk | elkingrey: Depends on the printer. Does it accept a standard, open format? |
| 21:41.10 | jhutchins_wk | elkingrey: Can it accept standard postscript? |
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| 21:41.29 | jhutchins_wk | elkingrey: Does it require two-way communication? |
| 21:42.02 | dimitry7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.31 | elkingrey | jutchins_wk: Yikes! No idea. It's an HP Deskjet 5150 |
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| 21:45.42 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: try it with wheezy? the libvirt of squeeze is around 3 years old |
| 21:45.42 | caf | elkingrey: it seems to be supported by the driver in the "hplip" package, which is in debian |
| 21:45.52 | stmiller | dimitry7 that might be a debian bug report? Sounds like an option was not compiled in though I'm not 100% sure |
| 21:46.43 | elkingrey | caf: Thank you! How did you find that out? |
| 21:47.57 | elkingrey | caf: Hmm, that's funny. I've already got that package installed, but it didn't recognize my printer. Perhaps installing the hplip-gui package will help? |
| 21:48.09 | caf | elkingrey: i looked at openprinting.org for the printer model (http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-DeskJet_5150), which sent me to HPLIP (http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html) then I searched for hplip in the debian package archive (http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/hplip) |
| 21:48.17 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, Yes, but I have installed the one from backports, Which is much newer. Squeeze has 0.8.3 and Backports 0.9.12. Are you sure that what I want will work on Wheeze? Because I need to do a lot of work for that migration |
| 21:49.28 | mumpitze1 | dimitry7: no I'm not sure |
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| 21:50.18 | dimitry7 | stmiller, Yes, probably. I don't know if virConnectCompareCPU() DOES NOT recognize my paratemers and are these ones the thing that I need to chance.... or... the connection driver (libvirt) does not support virConnectCompareCPU. |
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| 21:50.46 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, Now I have food for thougth:) |
| 21:50.51 | dimitry7 | :( |
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| 21:51.30 | dimitry7 | mumixam, do you know other way of masking my cpu flags? |
| 21:51.42 | caf | elkingrey: maybe - i'd read through the documentation at http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html |
| 21:52.22 | elkingrey | caf: Okay, thanks a bunch! |
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| 21:53.21 | ykkie | hi, fresh convert here and loving Debian |
| 21:53.36 | ykkie | it's so slick |
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| 21:54.18 | nkuttler | hrm, why would setfacl run as root in a screen session affect other users inside that session? |
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| 21:55.00 | nkuttler | (that don't match the location for the rule) |
| 21:55.03 | abrotman | on a file? |
| 21:55.30 | nkuttler | abrotman: # xargs setfacl -d -m g:webdev:rwx /var/www |
| 21:55.51 | nkuttler | and other user inside screen session gets those permissions for new files in his home dir.. |
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| 21:55.59 | nkuttler | effect disappears when restarting screen |
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| 21:56.30 | nkuttler | ah, ignore the xargs |
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| 21:57.17 | a_b0y | if Debian is going to spend the time and efforts to integrate BSD they should do it under GPL if possible, unless BSD forbids GPL or something |
| 21:57.44 | abrotman | a_b0y: do you know what the bsdl is? |
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| 21:58.08 | abrotman | nkuttler: i thought that was immediate for all users |
| 21:58.21 | nkuttler | abrotman: ah, must have misread something then |
| 21:58.58 | a_b0y | doesn't the BSD license mean you can take BSD close source it and no longer make it free? |
| 21:59.43 | dimitry7 | mumpitze1, it's the parameters |
| 21:59.49 | dimitry7 | the function is working ok :-) |
| 21:59.50 | nkuttler | a_b0y: kinda.. but you can't just re-license the code at will |
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| 22:02.32 | elkingrey | caf: When I click print all it gives me an option for is pdf or postscript. It never shows my printer as an option. It seems like it should give me some recognizable sign when I plug the usb in, but it doesn't. |
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| 22:03.42 | jhutchins_wk | hplip is a copout hack that uses proprietary code instead of actually implementing the printer interface. It works, but it's ugly, and people are too lazy to fix it. |
| 22:03.52 | nkuttler | elkingrey: missing cups? or a driver for your printer? |
| 22:03.54 | jhutchins_wk | (I include myself.) |
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| 22:04.45 | elkingrey | jhutchins_wk: If it uses proprietary code, how did it make it to the debian repo? |
| 22:05.07 | Brigo | elkingrey: can you paste the syslog output when you plguin the usb? |
| 22:05.15 | Papiertiger | chroot & grub-install did the job, not sure what went wrong with the dist-upgrade :/ |
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| 22:06.29 | abrotman | elkingrey: it's gpl, but they work outside of cups IIRC |
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| 22:09.53 | aFlag | hello. I'm upstream and I'm packaging my code with debian. How do I tell pbuilder to create .orig.tar.gz by itself? |
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| 22:12.45 | petn-randall | aFlag: on OTFC there's a #debian-mentors channel, they're the experts on packaging and everything, they can probably help you with your problem. |
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| 22:20.53 | dimitry7 | root@lepton:~# virsh cpu-compare capabilities.xml |
| 22:20.53 | dimitry7 | error: File 'capabilities.xml' does not contain a <cpu> element or is not a valid domain or capabilities XML |
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| 22:35.55 | nmschulte | Is there a method to view all of the input (or just keyboard input) to X in an ordered list; in real-time, or as a log? |
| 22:36.34 | nmschulte | Sometimes my accelerators/shortcuts/launchers in GNOME are not being picked up, but I know for a fact I am pressing the keystroke properly. |
| 22:37.17 | isaac_ | Hi everyone, I would greatly appreciate it if you could help; I did an apt-get upgrade yesterday, and now my sound for firefox and chrome will randomly work. I'm using youtube videos, and some will play the audio, some won't. They all worked prior to this. trying to run alsamixer also gives an error, "ALSA lib control_ext.c:664:(snd_ctl_ext_create) ctl_ext: Plugin version mismatch cannot open mixer: No such device or address" Thanks in adva |
| 22:37.17 | isaac_ | nced |
| 22:37.17 | nmschulte | for instance, I setup ALT+F3 to launch gnome-terminal; I have to hold alt for about a second, and then F3 for about the same, and it will usually work and launch a terminal. ALT+F2 has no such issues, and I can stroke it as fast as I want. |
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| 22:39.34 | petn-randall | isaac_: What release are you on? What desktop environment are you using? |
| 22:40.09 | dorp | Hello... I |
| 22:40.10 | isaac_ | petn-randall, I'm on wheezy, using gnome classic |
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| 22:41.03 | isaac_ | and when a video with sound is playing, which won't play sound, pavucontrol shows no application as using sound |
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| 22:41.52 | petn-randall | isaac_: Check in /var/log/apt/history.log what got upgraded. Best is to paste the last few entries to http://paste.debian.net and show us. |
| 22:42.05 | isaac_ | Ok, thank you, one second |
| 22:42.41 | dorp | Hello... I'm trying to enable my Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [Rainbow Peak] on a Wheezy livecd. I've dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb ... then modprobe -r iwlwifi ... then modprobe iwlwifi ... but when I attempt to ifconfig wlan0 up, I get: "link is not ready' ... any ideas what to try next? |
| 22:43.54 | isaac_ | http://paste.debian.net/7187/ |
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| 22:45.44 | isaac_ | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/7187/ just to make sure you see that I posted it. Sorry if you already saw |
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| 22:48.09 | petn-randall | isaac_: Was a good idea to highlight me, I'm on 20 channels :) |
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| 22:48.39 | isaac_ | Haha, figured something like that, thank you for helping me, petn-randall |
| 22:49.04 | petn-randall | isaac_: Did you reboot since then? |
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| 22:49.36 | isaac_ | I've rebooted a a few times |
| 22:49.51 | oo_miguel | do I need to run update-grub and grub-install even if the new /boot/vmlinuz-xxxxx file has the same filename as my old one? |
| 22:50.16 | isaac_ | petn-randall, I've rebooted just before I got in irc, to make sure too |
| 22:50.20 | nmschulte | oo_miguel: update-initramfs should do all of the work for you |
| 22:50.27 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: update-grub, yes. grub-install, no. |
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| 22:51.21 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: Consider building your kernels with "make deb-pkg" or "make-kpkg", that way you get a package in the end which takes care of such details. |
| 22:52.04 | petn-randall | isaac_: Hmpf, that's annoying then. But sometimes you have sound? |
| 22:52.24 | petn-randall | isaac_: Do you have any packages installed from other repos by any chance? |
| 22:52.30 | isaac_ | petn-randall, it depends on the youtube video. Skype also has sound, but sometimes it'll cut out randomly. |
| 22:52.36 | isaac_ | petn-randall, how can I check that, sorry? |
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| 22:53.35 | petn-randall | isaac_: Did you add any new repos in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:53.52 | oo_miguel | thanks nmschulte and petn-randall . Next time Ill try doing it the "debian way" with building a package first |
| 22:54.16 | petn-randall | oo_miguel: you're welcome :) |
| 22:54.24 | isaac_ | petn-randall, here's my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/7188/ |
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| 22:54.40 | isaac_ | I remember having to change things there a few times, so tell me if anything is messed up, petn-randall ? |
| 22:55.53 | petn-randall | isaac_: Uh, this is messed up. You've got lines in there for wheezy, testing, and then deb-multimedia's testing + sid. |
| 22:56.12 | isaac_ | petn-randall, Sorry, can you tell me what it should be? |
| 22:56.27 | nmschulte | petn-randall: the repository with the sid distribution is commented out |
| 22:56.43 | petn-randall | isaac_: Technically you're running at least jessie. Does "dpkg -l libc6" give you 2.17 or 2.13? |
| 22:57.02 | petn-randall | nmschulte: In his defense, ok, but I guess it was in at some point ... |
| 22:57.19 | isaac_ | petn-randall, it gives me 2.17-3 |
| 22:57.52 | isaac_ | I started out with the version before wheezy, and had to change that stuff to switch to wheezy |
| 22:57.56 | nmschulte | petn-randall: would commenting out all but the main Wheezy distribution repository, and then running something to find orphans (or obsolete/local) packages be helpful? |
| 22:58.32 | nmschulte | I don't know of any way to find installed packages that aren't from a specific repository. |
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| 22:58.37 | petn-randall | isaac_: Then you're (involuntarily?) running jessie. Avoid 'stable' or 'testing' as keywords in your sources.list. If a new release comes out, they all of a sudden point to different releases, which is probably not what you want. |
| 22:58.57 | nmschulte | If it's possible to list installed packages, and the repository they're in (thinking apt-cache), one could do some sort of inverse grep on the source... |
| 22:59.20 | petn-randall | isaac_, nmschulte: "aptitude search '?^Crrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" will show you which packages are not from you current Debian repos. |
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| 23:00.11 | petn-randall | isaac_, nmschulte: sorry, mangled input, it should read: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 23:00.41 | isaac_ | It gave me a long list |
| 23:00.45 | isaac_ | want me to paste it, petn-randall ? |
| 23:00.56 | petn-randall | isaac_: jessie is in strong flux right now, so short after the wheezy release a lot of thing may break. |
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| 23:01.29 | petn-randall | isaac_: You can ask on #debian-next if they can help you out with jessie. |
| 23:01.58 | isaac_ | petn-randall, do you think uninstalling pulseaudio and alsa and then reinstalling will help? |
| 23:02.00 | nmschulte | isaac_: note that #debian-next is on another irc network: OFTc. |
| 23:02.02 | petn-randall | isaac_: Though if you upgraded by accident you might want to reinstall the machine, depending on how much you're willing to cope with newer, less stable software. |
| 23:02.25 | petn-randall | nmschulte: good catch, right, thanks. |
| 23:02.30 | isaac_ | So I'm actually on Jessie, not Wheezy? |
| 23:02.39 | petn-randall | isaac_: yeah. |
| 23:02.43 | isaac_ | ah I see |
| 23:02.57 | nmschulte | isaac_: I suspect that at some point since Wheezy became stable, you were using the "testing" tag, rather than "wheezy" |
| 23:03.11 | isaac_ | Yeah, I think that was it |
| 23:03.23 | nmschulte | and that could have gotten you packages from jessie (As Jessie became testing at a cartain point after), and that ... yeah. |
| 23:03.23 | isaac_ | So I should go ask #debian-next ? |
| 23:03.26 | petn-randall | isaac_: We get that a lot around releases. |
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| 23:03.51 | isaac_ | Do you guys think reinstalling asla and pulseaudio could fix it? |
| 23:04.02 | nmschulte | I don't know how much jessie has diverged from testing, but if backing up configs and data isn't an issue, it's probably quicker to reinstall. |
| 23:04.07 | webad_13 | I'm on unstable 3.8-2-amd64 with intel i915-kms. When booting I don't have X startning by default, but I invoke it with startx if needed. Now for some reason, I boot in very often into a blank screen and after typing in blindly commands to login and "startx" I can see the graphics and switch back to console without issues. However booting in, again very often, leads to bank screen. I'm on unstable |
| 23:04.14 | petn-randall | isaac_: Yeah, you can ask there (remember, it's oftc), but maybe you want to consider reinstalling. |
| 23:04.16 | nmschulte | s/testing/wheezy/ |
| 23:04.29 | petn-randall | isaac_: No, reinstalling the packaging will likely not fix it. |
| 23:04.34 | petn-randall | *packages |
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| 23:04.58 | isaac_ | Is it bad ot just continue using Jessie? Is there a way to just undo the upgrades, petn-randall ? |
| 23:05.06 | nmschulte | isaac_: pipe the output of that aptitude search command into 'wc -l'; so # aptitude search <long string> | wc -l |
| 23:05.11 | isaac_ | I don't have hard drive space to back stuff up, or else I'd reinstall |
| 23:05.14 | petn-randall | webad_13: This channel only covers stable. Try asking on #debian-next on OFTC. |
| 23:05.27 | nmschulte | Using Jessie is probably not what you want; it comes with it's own set of maintenance issues. |
| 23:05.28 | petn-randall | isaac_: D: |
| 23:05.47 | petn-randall | isaac_: You should always make backups. If that HDD breaks, your data is gone. |
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| 23:06.00 | petn-randall | isaac_: Forever. |
| 23:06.09 | isaac_ | yeah, I know. I just need some money, and then I can get a new external to back things up |
| 23:06.11 | nmschulte | Usually. |
| 23:06.24 | nmschulte | Google provides 10 GB free on Drive; might be worth a shot. |
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| 23:06.39 | nmschulte | isaac_: what's the output of that command/ |
| 23:06.53 | petn-randall | external HDDs are dirt cheap nowadays, there's no excuse for not having backups. |
| 23:06.56 | isaac_ | Ah, soryr nmschulte, what exactly was I supposed to do, it confused me.. |
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| 23:07.13 | nmschulte | run this: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' | wc -l |
| 23:07.26 | isaac_ | ok, I did that. Now what, nmschulte ? |
| 23:07.32 | nmschulte | what number did it gve? |
| 23:07.36 | petn-randall | isaac_: What count did it show? |
| 23:07.42 | isaac_ | 264 |
| 23:07.48 | nmschulte | Hmm. |
| 23:07.55 | nmschulte | libc6 kinda sucks... |
| 23:08.01 | petn-randall | nmschulte: Don't say downgrading ... |
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| 23:08.22 | nmschulte | isaac_: ask the folks in #debian-next @ OFTC; they will know best. |
| 23:08.24 | isaac_ | What's weird though, is a few videos with sound work, but most do not. |
| 23:08.34 | isaac_ | OKay, thank you, nmschulte, petn-randall |
| 23:08.44 | reavengrey | Same here |
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| 23:08.49 | reavengrey | I have video problems |
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| 23:08.56 | reavengrey | recently, idk why |
| 23:09.10 | petn-randall | isaac_: It's probably jessie's growing pains, the stuff in there has been tested for maximum 10 days ... |
| 23:09.23 | petn-randall | reavengrey: Is it on wheezy? |
| 23:09.48 | reavengrey | Yes, 7.0 |
| 23:12.36 | nmschulte | petn-randall: thank you for that aptitude command, btw. |
| 23:13.05 | nmschulte | fixing some libdrm packages I built, where debian has a newer version, but the version string on the ones I built confuses aptitude |
| 23:13.14 | wjtaylor | I put a cd in my drive and it didn't show up on my desktop, but I can't eject the disk via the button on the drive... what do I do? |
| 23:13.34 | nmschulte | get a paperclip and stick it in the little hole on the drive |
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| 23:14.06 | nmschulte | wjtaylor: ^ |
| 23:14.22 | wjtaylor | Is this common? |
| 23:14.32 | wjtaylor | I'm not sure why it didn't mount |
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| 23:18.02 | dimitry7 | hello, could someone help me chech my XML file in order to execute # virsh cpu-compare file.xml ... ?? |
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| 23:18.07 | zykotick9 | wjtaylor: did you try "eject"? |
| 23:18.11 | dimitry7 | http://pastebin.com/qFC8576w |
| 23:18.18 | dimitry7 | I keep getting an error but is syntax error. |
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| 23:18.50 | wjtaylor | eject didn't open the drive |
| 23:19.13 | dimitry7 | wjtaylor, unmount it firs |
| 23:19.15 | dimitry7 | * first |
| 23:19.39 | wjtaylor | dimitry7: I don't see it listed when I issued mount |
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| 23:20.12 | wjtaylor | I don't see / either.... |
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| 23:21.01 | wjtaylor | ok .. found / ... still no sign of cdrom |
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| 23:21.08 | dimitry7 | try eject -v to see why is that |
| 23:21.26 | wjtaylor | snap! that did it! |
| 23:21.34 | dimitry7 | cool |
| 23:21.35 | wjtaylor | that was like the magic work |
| 23:21.37 | wjtaylor | word |
| 23:21.41 | wjtaylor | thanks! |
| 23:21.46 | dimitry7 | hehe, you're welcome :) |
| 23:24.08 | dimitry7 | hello, could someone help me chech my XML file in order to execute # virsh cpu-compare file.xml ... ?? |
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| 23:24.12 | dimitry7 | http://pastebin.com/qFC8576w |
| 23:24.13 | dimitry7 | I keep getting an error but is syntax error. |
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| 23:35.09 | dimitry7 | this function is not supported by the connection driver: virConnectCompareCPU |
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