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| 00:01.08 | wjtaylor | Is there anything that will organize help me organize my ebooks, music, and software at the filesystem level? |
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| 00:02.24 | peterrooney | wjtaylor: Directories. And a degree in Library Sciences |
| 00:02.43 | squisher | hi, does anyone know what's holding up qemu in sid? |
| 00:03.51 | nkuttler | !tell squisher about kept back |
| 00:04.58 | squisher | nkuttler, ah you're right, I'm complaining about libvirt, not qemu ;-) |
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| 00:06.50 | duskye | Hi, I'm having some problems installing wine in Debian 7 (Wheezy), I've installed it but it does not show up in applications, and if I try starting a program via terminal, it just freezes and sits there. |
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| 00:08.29 | squisher | duskye, fresh install? Otherwise try it by temporarily moving .wine out of the way (or specify another wine directory on the cli) |
| 00:09.24 | duskye | Yeah, it's a fresh install, I just got done installing my nividia drivers and I installed wine, was going to try a game out when I noticed it didn't show up in my applications |
| 00:09.34 | duskye | in fact, it saids winecfg doesn't exist. |
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| 00:12.04 | wjtaylor | peterrooney: So I would like to have a master directory of music, audio books, etc... easy enough.. but I'd also like it sorted by topic math, music, etc. How would you set it up? Sometimes I have a book in pdf and the audio book with it. |
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| 00:15.50 | sergaz | does dpkg have an option to install two different versions of the same lib, much like you would if you simply compiled each, but so that dpkg packages that have dependencies of either are all satisfied? |
| 00:16.25 | squisher | sergaz, that doesn't work very easily, unless the lib has support for this |
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| 00:17.05 | squisher | so, no, you can't do that with dpkg for an arbitrary pkg |
| 00:17.14 | sergaz | Alright, I'll have to install the more recent software by hand then and avoid dpkg. thank you. |
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| 00:17.39 | stew | sergaz: only if they libraries have different sonames (and therefore different package names) |
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| 00:18.24 | sergaz | I need to have the 32bit libc6 version 2.13-38 AND 2.17-0experimental2 for the softwares I'm dealing with. |
| 00:19.11 | stew | then no, that is the same soname |
| 00:19.17 | sergaz | correct/ |
| 00:19.30 | sergaz | I appreciate the prompt response, I'll have to do it the 'hard' way. Thanks guys. |
| 00:19.52 | stew | its what you want to do anyway with something like libc6, you want to keep that localized to some directory |
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| 00:20.07 | stew | libc is a bit of an important lib to be messing with :) |
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| 00:20.46 | squisher | ponders why one would need two libc versions for some software |
| 00:20.47 | sergaz | yeah not the 32 bit version on my amd64 machine. I'm literally only running these 2 32 bit programs, and of COURSE the damn things are so very... picky... |
| 00:20.49 | sergaz | hehe |
| 00:20.53 | stew | sergaz: you can also install a chroot which has a completely independent set of packages |
| 00:21.11 | sergaz | now there's something I hadn't thought of before. |
| 00:21.15 | stew | !debootstrap |
| 00:21.16 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 00:21.39 | sergaz | hmmmm wish that had occurred to me that will actually work perfectly |
| 00:22.14 | sergaz | time to read through that manpage |
| 00:22.16 | sergaz | ty again! |
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| 00:22.21 | Declevation- | tips hat |
| 00:22.54 | duskye | squisher: You have any ideas as to why it's not working? I've already tried purging it and reinstalling. |
| 00:22.56 | Declevation- | I'm having an issue adding multiple IPV6 IP addresses to my interfaces, I have a /64 of ipv6-but whenever I add a second IP it shows in my routes but I'm unable to locally ping it, or assign it to anything. |
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| 00:23.17 | Dagger2 | how do you add it? |
| 00:23.31 | Declevation- | my configuration of /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/Aju5451e |
| 00:23.57 | Declevation- | ip -6 route show: http://pastebin.com/0pCQ3Akv |
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| 00:24.04 | Declevation- | I'm able to ping the :ff but not the ::2 |
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| 00:24.18 | squisher | duskye, you didn't answer my question, did you? |
| 00:24.27 | Dagger2 | le sigh @ OVH |
| 00:24.33 | duskye | <duskye> Yeah, it's a fresh install, I just got done installing my nividia drivers and I installed wine, was going to try a game out when I noticed it didn't show up in my applications |
| 00:24.35 | squisher | duskye, ah no you did |
| 00:24.39 | Declevation- | it's their canada location, isn't that bad |
| 00:24.39 | duskye | Yeah |
| 00:24.45 | squisher | fresh home dir too then? |
| 00:25.14 | duskye | mhm |
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| 00:25.53 | squisher | hm, I don't have it installed right now... with what app are you trying it? if you also have a windows partition somewhere, try starting notepad |
| 00:26.16 | duskye | I was trying steam, but sure I'll try notepad |
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| 00:27.01 | Learningg | Any1 knows what type of encryption hash this is: :B:a16634f1:e10626a1f8070171d17f25c064347b64 ???????????? |
| 00:27.19 | squisher | duskye, steam has a linux version by now (of course not with the same game selection), so that's something you may want to have a look at |
| 00:27.25 | duskye | I have it installed. |
| 00:27.45 | duskye | I wanted to try a game that isn't on steam for linuxed yet |
| 00:27.49 | duskye | soo how well it played |
| 00:27.56 | Dagger2 | Declevation-: I'm mostly annoyed by the way that they retardedly claim that your default router is outside your subnet |
| 00:28.11 | Declevation- | lol what |
| 00:28.21 | Dagger2 | Declevation-: and by the way they claim you get a /64. and by the way they never tell you that your network segment is a /56 |
| 00:28.28 | duskye | but anyway, I can't run notepad via a filemanager since wine doesn't show up in my applications, so I just tried via terminal, it just sits there. |
| 00:28.34 | Dagger2 | Declevation-: anyway, try this: http://pastebin.com/HAkAqfy7 |
| 00:28.48 | Declevation- | it's not a /64 ? |
| 00:28.50 | Declevation- | rage |
| 00:28.58 | duskye | Oddly enough though when I do it it deselects the window |
| 00:29.00 | Arrowmaster | duskye: wine apps dont show up in gnome3's menu |
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| 00:29.25 | Dagger2 | Declevation-: tl;dr you don't add routes for an IP you want to assign, and you don't set your default route to it, you just add the IP. also you can just use -6 rather than "-f inet6" |
| 00:29.25 | squisher | duskye, sorry, I don't know then (and have to run off shortly) |
| 00:29.32 | duskye | Arrowmaster: I'm not talking about gnome3's menu, I'm taking about when I right click a file and it ask me to use a different applications |
| 00:29.40 | duskye | -s |
| 00:29.40 | Learningg | any1 knows what type of encryption hash this is: :B:a16634f1:e10626a1f8070171d17f25c064347b64 ???????????? |
| 00:29.57 | Declevation- | til something, thanks Dagger2 |
| 00:29.58 | Dagger2 | Declevation-: yeah. so many people are getting introduced to v6 through OVH, and all those people are coming away with the impression that v6 is hard. it's not; OVH are just idiots |
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| 00:30.01 | Learningg | any1 knows what type of encryption hash this is: :B:a16634f1:e10626a1f8070171d17f25c064347b64 ???????????? pm me pls |
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| 00:31.26 | Declevation- | I've had ipv6 for quite some time..but it's changed as far as the new post-up pre-down |
| 00:31.38 | Declevation- | I also don't think I ever used more than 1 ipv6, just ipv4 |
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| 00:36.01 | dimitry7 | hello, could someone help me chech my XML file in order to execute # virsh cpu-compare file.xml ... ?? |
| 00:36.03 | dimitry7 | http://pastebin.com/qFC8576w |
| 00:36.07 | dimitry7 | I keep getting an error but is syntax error. |
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| 00:36.13 | dimitry7 | this function is not supported by the connection driver: virConnectCompareCPU |
| 00:36.19 | stew | Learningg: please don't repeat yourself so frequently |
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| 00:37.58 | squisher | dimitry7, you're definitely missing elements |
| 00:38.10 | squisher | or that isn't the whole file? |
| 00:38.22 | squisher | libvirt.org has decent examples of what the files look like |
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| 00:39.02 | squisher | ah, nevermind, I thought it was supposed to be a machine xml file, sorry |
| 00:39.50 | dimitry7 | squisher, could you please help me? I made exactly what #man virsh says. The only flags that appear inside <cpu> </cpu> when I do # virsh capabilities are <pae/> and <acpi/> . |
| 00:40.02 | romulobr | hi guys, I'm having trouble running postgres sql in a debian 6 server, can you point me to a good tutorial? |
| 00:40.10 | dimitry7 | squisher, I have been trying this: http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsCPUAllocation |
| 00:40.20 | dimitry7 | squisher, and this: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Virtualization_Administration_Guide/ch15s13s03.html |
| 00:40.45 | dimitry7 | squisher, and nothing works. It keeps throwing the same error. |
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| 00:40.55 | squisher | dimitry7, very sorry, I have to run... will be back in 2h or so |
| 00:41.09 | dimitry7 | squisher, have any email? |
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| 00:41.23 | dimitry7 | you can give it to me by a private message |
| 00:41.26 | dimitry7 | please! |
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| 00:45.51 | pipegeek | trying to learn the ins and outs of debian-installer. I can't figure out, though, how to configure partman-auto for a multidisk install. The device { } argument seems to be specific to lvm. How do I specify which device a partition should be made on, short of scripting it myself outside the installer? |
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| 00:52.29 | pipegeek | I see lots of threads asking about this in a simple google search.... none with answers. This seems like a pretty basic thing to support... what am I missing? Is the functionality there? |
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| 00:53.58 | fishcooker | is there any appss that calculate man hourly work |
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| 00:59.45 | wjtaylor | is there a command I can issue that will show me all the different file extensions in a dir tree? |
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| 01:00.17 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: you can definitely do it manually in a late command, but I would have expected divice {} to work |
| 01:00.28 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: however, most everyone who uses multiple disks uses lvm+raid |
| 01:00.32 | pipegeek | wjtaylor find /path/I/care/about | awk -F. '{print $NF}' | sort | uniq |
| 01:00.39 | pipegeek | that might not be quite it, but it's close :P |
| 01:00.42 | pipegeek | let me make sure it works |
| 01:00.42 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: so it's probably not something that anyone has specifically needed |
| 01:01.00 | pipegeek | configuring servers for use with hadoop, where jbod is preferable |
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| 01:01.36 | pipegeek | I guess it'd help if I knew how to use partman-auto/disk. |
| 01:01.41 | pipegeek | can it be specified more than once? |
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| 01:02.11 | dondelelcaro | dunno |
| 01:02.16 | pipegeek | haha |
| 01:02.40 | pipegeek | err.... don't want to burn too much time on this. how's the kickstart support? Is using it a bad idea? |
| 01:03.12 | dondelelcaro | the fastest way is to do it using a late command; that'll definitely work |
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| 01:04.00 | pipegeek | sigh, alright |
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| 01:04.25 | pipegeek | hehe, suppose I could implement the entire installer as a late command |
| 01:04.33 | dondelelcaro | pretty much |
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| 01:05.47 | veek | does wheezy absolutely require SSE (i have a old processor) and mplayer is dieing because no SSE |
| 01:05.56 | veek | how do i revert back |
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| 01:07.13 | dondelelcaro | veek: wheezy doesn't depend on SSE, but it's possible that specific packages have been mis-compiled to require it |
| 01:07.40 | themill | normally i386 binaries using SSE test for its availability first |
| 01:08.35 | veek | well initially i was getting a no vdpau_something.so and apt-file told me to install some nvidia package.. now mplayer just dies (vlc too) |
| 01:08.49 | veek | how shall i fix this? |
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| 01:09.25 | veek | remove mplayer/vlc? |
| 01:09.29 | veek | and try again |
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| 01:26.38 | claw | hey there. my bootup has gone wild it floods 'sleep: missing operand' on the tty |
| 01:26.51 | claw | i have plymouth but its boot.log is to short |
| 01:27.17 | claw | how to find out what script causes these errors. it has to be some loop |
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| 01:28.06 | emss | veek not sure, maybe you could try a different video output driver `mplayer -vo help' |
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| 01:28.50 | whitefang | hey, I'm having trouble with LightDM. Its not actually loading properly on boot. I've set it as default with dpkg-reconfigure lightdm. it starts and works fine when I manually /etc/init.d/lightdm start (wheezy) |
| 01:30.03 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 01:30.04 | dpkg | from memory, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
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| 01:30.29 | emss | veek install apt-file then `apt-file update' then `apt-file search vdpau_something.so' or use http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 01:31.51 | themill | I'd be very surprised if that old machine had a GPU capable of using vdpau |
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| 01:32.40 | emss | what processor? |
| 01:32.52 | roothorick | so... where am I supposed to get the VirtualBox guest additions ISO now? |
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| 01:33.37 | veek | celeron 400 :) |
| 01:33.46 | themill | roothorick: it's in non-free |
| 01:33.48 | veek | definetly no SSE |
| 01:34.09 | dvs | gasps |
| 01:34.50 | themill | roothorick: (assuming you're using the debian virtualbox packages for your host; if you're using a newer vbox then you probably want a newer guest additions directly from vbox too) |
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| 01:34.52 | roothorick | themill: I have non-free enabled for everything and no, I'm getting the "has no installation candidate" message |
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| 01:35.21 | themill | roothorick: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy virtualbox-guest-additions-iso; apt-cache policy" for me? |
| 01:36.32 | roothorick | themill: http://pastebin.com/fSWTdb27 |
| 01:37.23 | roothorick | heck with it, I'll just continue with the version off Oracle's site, to hell with version differences |
| 01:37.45 | themill | roothorick: ahh... sorry, I was assuming you were running wheezy here |
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| 01:39.55 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 01:40.42 | johnfg | Looks like it's a known problem/bug, but my contacts didn't restore to evolution, after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. Anyone know of a fix or how to restore my contacts? |
| 01:42.55 | emss | johnfg find the contacts in your ~/.evolution/ or whatever it is and copy/move them to your new ~/? |
| 01:43.47 | emss | sorry i do not really know anything about evolution |
| 01:44.12 | emss | maybe export/import from old to new? |
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| 02:14.31 | veek | isn't there a way to install mplayer binary with no SSE on wheezy |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | why without SSE? |
| 02:15.23 | dvs | celeron 400 |
| 02:15.25 | veek | abrotman, old processor 400MHz |
| 02:16.01 | abrotman | should still have SSE? |
| 02:16.12 | veek | hmm lemme check |
| 02:16.24 | abrotman | veek: grep sse /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:17.28 | veek | ah nope |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | ah, PIII |
| 02:18.08 | veek | Mendocino |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | but you're running i386? |
| 02:18.15 | veek | yup |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | no .. i'm saying SSE was introduced with the PIIIs |
| 02:18.31 | veek | ah nope i686 |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | eh what? |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | veek: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 02:18.59 | claw | hey there im currently trying to figure out what process or initscript call a process that floods the tty with "sleep missing operand". Any ideas how to debug the boot ? |
| 02:19.07 | veek | i386 |
| 02:19.45 | abrotman | thought i386 targeted the 486 instruction set? |
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| 02:20.20 | emss | claw have you check /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog? |
| 02:20.32 | themill | abrotman: except when it targets 586 or when it conditionally uses SSE |
| 02:20.38 | veek | abrotman, yes but this is mplayer compiled with sse support.. i need one with no sse compiled in |
| 02:21.04 | abrotman | veek: i'd guess you'd have to recompile the package |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | themill: didn't know that |
| 02:21.12 | claw | emss, those are not for boottime |
| 02:21.46 | claw | theres bootlogd or plymouth but the buffer is not enough to get anything helpfull expect "sleep: missing operand" |
| 02:21.54 | veek | yup, figured that but i was wondering if i could avoid that by dl'ing a binary from somewhere |
| 02:22.07 | claw | there must be an endless loop with a sleep without operand |
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| 02:22.53 | veek | *sigh* with library support - it seems fairly impossible |
| 02:23.30 | themill | veek: mplayer for i386 is compiled with --target=i586-linux --enable-runtime-cpudetection |
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| 02:25.26 | veek | yeah but with codecs it'll take forever to finish.. might be much easier to downgrade.. after all i do have the squeeze DVD and wheezy doesn't really have anything fancy i need |
| 02:26.17 | themill | veek: have you established whether it's mplayer or the codec library that is the problem here? and precisely which versions of them are you using? |
| 02:26.42 | veek | i tried -vo x11 no dice :( |
| 02:26.53 | themill | that's not what I asked |
| 02:26.58 | veek | and it's sse allright even vlc beaks |
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| 02:29.37 | veek | themill, nm (and thanks) not worth wasting any more time on this. i'll downgrade |
| 02:29.44 | veek | brb |
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| 02:31.16 | abrotman | brilliant plan |
| 02:31.34 | dvs | fight the future! |
| 02:33.20 | themill | that's another one of those cases where replacing the box with a cheap arm prototyping board would save the cost of the replacement in electricity within the first few months |
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| 02:38.42 | romulobr | Hi guys, I'm having some trouble to set up a rails app under apache, can you tell me the difference between /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ? |
| 02:39.20 | dvs | romulobr: Seems obvious to me. |
| 02:39.37 | veek | available is everything available (installed) enabled is up and running |
| 02:39.59 | romulobr | ok… so I guess I need to put my new file under available... |
| 02:40.10 | dvs | romulobr: or sym link it. |
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| 02:40.16 | elkingrey | The other day I struggled and failed to get port forwarding to work. I feel confident that I did things correctly on my router. Is it possible that even though I enabled port forwarding on my router that Debian's iptables had a rule keeping that port closed? |
| 02:40.22 | veek | and sym link |
| 02:40.57 | romulobr | thanks a a lot! |
| 02:41.19 | veek | elkingrey, yup |
| 02:41.41 | veek | -L |
| 02:41.57 | elkingrey | veek: It's a fresh install of Debian and I haven't messed with iptables, because frankly I don't know how. How do I go about opening up the port I want? |
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| 02:42.40 | veek | you could -F and check quickly if you shutdown daemons |
| 02:43.17 | veek | and change default to ACCEpt |
| 02:43.21 | elkingrey | veek: I'm a noob, just so you know. |
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| 02:43.33 | veek | elkingrey, eating sec |
| 02:43.35 | elkingrey | k |
| 02:44.00 | claw | boot problem solved. if tty is flooded by "sleep: missing operand" and therefore system refuses to boot its related to the packages unattanded-updates and/or aptdaemon. dont remove them. ill gone file a bug report |
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| 02:46.55 | TSE | Hello, can somebody point me to a site where I can understand the output of the DMESG command? Got several call trace on my dmesg command but I don't know how to interpret them |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | TSE: that's generally output from the system .. you might want to pastebin it so we can see it |
| 02:48.10 | TSE | sure |
| 02:48.31 | veek | iptables -F INPUT also /OUTPUT/FORWARD |
| 02:49.13 | veek | then iptables -L and check that the default policy is ACCEPT |
| 02:49.23 | veek | gets rid of your firewall so be careful |
| 02:49.40 | elkingrey | I don't want to get rid of it. I just want to poke a hole in 8400, I think. |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | may also leave the system unreachable ... |
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| 02:50.30 | veek | elkingrey, well then you should pastebin iptables -L or mm or you could run nc on that port and see if it's accessable from outside |
| 02:51.07 | veek | mm better still go to grc (firewall - google) and check your ports :) |
| 02:51.11 | veek | much quicker |
| 02:51.50 | veek | grc.net or some such site if i remember - they portscan and tell you what ports are open |
| 02:51.53 | Vicissitude | nmap-online.com is better |
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| 02:58.22 | TSE | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5712238/plain/ |
| 02:58.36 | elkingrey | This is my current iptables -L: http://pastebin.com/yLawyxcC Does this mean that iptables isn't blocking anything right now? If I install gufw and change things will it affect the rules for iptables? |
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| 02:59.09 | themill | TSE: paste.debian.net please |
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| 02:59.36 | themill | people aren't going to want to create a launchpad account just to view your paste |
| 02:59.42 | veek | elkingrey, no firewall |
| 03:00.06 | TSE | themill: sure |
| 03:00.20 | veek | elkingrey, it's not your firewall that's your problem |
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| 03:00.46 | elkingrey | veek: Okay, so if I enabled port forwarding correctly on my router, then it SHOULD be working properly, because my machine isn't blocking the port either. I've read online that my router is junk, so. |
| 03:00.58 | veek | elkingrey, yup |
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| 03:01.18 | elkingrey | veek: Okay. How do you feel about a person setting up a firewall with a program like GUFW? |
| 03:01.21 | TSE | themill: http://paste.debian.net/7231/ |
| 03:01.25 | TSE | themill: thanks |
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| 03:03.28 | TJNII | TSE: udev is throwing that. See lines 3 & 16 |
| 03:03.31 | TJNII | Bad Mojo |
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| 03:03.42 | TJNII | TSE: Does that happen if you don't load the VirtualBox modules? |
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| 03:04.09 | TSE | haven't tried that yet though |
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| 03:04.31 | TJNII | TSE: I recommend trying that as a debug step |
| 03:04.46 | TJNII | TSE: I'd open a bug in either case. |
| 03:05.09 | TSE | TJNII: i see.. so how do we set it on debug? |
| 03:05.22 | TSE | TJNII: oh, got it.. |
| 03:05.25 | TSE | TJNII: thanks for that |
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| 03:06.20 | veek | elkingrey, no idea never used gufw.. there's asuper article by rusty russell that explains firewalling in linux |
| 03:06.47 | veek | elkingrey, let me try and find it.. there's a diagram in that which is the key to everything |
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| 03:09.21 | Vooch | what's a good lightweight word processor program for use in debian? i don't need to do any formatting of font sizes or boldness. |
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| 03:10.11 | Vicissitude | Vooch, abiword |
| 03:10.15 | Vooch | ty |
| 03:10.18 | Vicissitude | any time |
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| 03:13.19 | Vooch | Vicissitude, anything lighter than abiword? I see it has formatting ability and I'm looking for something that does only plain text. |
| 03:13.36 | veek | elkingrey, http://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html#TRAVERSINGOFTABLES |
| 03:13.38 | dvs | Vooch: So you want an editor? |
| 03:14.22 | Vooch | yes, probably so. But, not like vim. Is emacs a gui editor? |
| 03:14.25 | rryoumaa | nano, emacs, vim are all possibilities |
| 03:14.28 | veek | dvs, kate :p gedit :p |
| 03:14.36 | Vooch | thanks |
| 03:14.41 | veek | *rawr* kate |
| 03:14.41 | dvs | Vooch: yes |
| 03:14.55 | elkingrey | veek: Thanks! I'll check it out. |
| 03:15.25 | rryoumaa | Vooch: emacs is usually run using a windowing system, but it can also run in a terminal |
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| 03:16.05 | elkingrey | veek: I have gufw on and both incoming and outgoing set to deny. I don't know why irc is still working. I haven't made any exception for it |
| 03:16.05 | Vooch | ty |
| 03:18.26 | veek | elkingrey, well that diagram is the key - alas, fw's are not easily explained on chat by me (mostly because once i configured my fw i promptly forgot everythig) |
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| 03:18.47 | Vooch | kate, emacs, and gedit are what i was looking for. kate looks great. thanks! |
| 03:19.03 | elkingrey | veek: Looking into tnow. |
| 03:19.14 | veek | gedit has nice plugins but kate's hawt |
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| 03:19.46 | Vooch | kate is the sheit :) |
| 03:19.55 | veek | *sigh* unfortunately kde 4.7 |
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| 03:20.13 | veek | so no kate for me.. i make do with vim |
| 03:20.29 | Vooch | :) |
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| 03:20.57 | Vooch | i love vim, but i'm writing some documentation, and i'd rather use something like kate for that. |
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| 03:22.19 | veek | darn! linuxchix is invite only |
| 03:22.26 | veek | now.. |
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| 03:27.46 | Vooch | i am lovin' the new debian 7 |
| 03:28.05 | Vooch | i can't wait until that new wayland display system comes out |
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| 03:33.37 | rowin_ | So I have a Cloudmin host which I am trying to setup with networking for guests. I want to use the IP range allocation and have it automatically provision a bridge as needed or just manually setup the bridges first and have the automatic allocation of available bridges to new guests. I can't seem to get bridging to work though. It is a debian host using Xen |
| 03:33.47 | rowin_ | n anyone point me to a sample of some configuration scripts which have worked? I am thinking that if I can see a good working example of a bridged network setup like the /etc/network/interfaces file I should be able to go from there |
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| 03:37.11 | squisher | rowin_, http://paste.debian.net/7240/ is that what you mean? I use it for bridging for my VMs on my desktop (no xen though) |
| 03:39.16 | rowin_ | squisher: So if I understand your setup correctly you have the primary IP 192.168.1.50 for your host and dhcp for guests, is that right? |
| 03:39.24 | rowin_ | and only one guest? |
| 03:40.00 | squisher | rowin_, eh, no, the primary IP comes from the dhcp on br0 |
| 03:40.09 | squisher | br0:0 is just an alias that i use to access my modem |
| 03:40.32 | rowin_ | ok, so DHCP for everything? |
| 03:40.37 | squisher | and yes, the guests use dhcp, too -- there is nothing about them in the host's interfaces |
| 03:40.57 | rowin_ | so when you bring up a guest, how is that shown in ifconfig? |
| 03:41.02 | rowin_ | br0:1? |
| 03:41.19 | squisher | hm, that is a good question... let me see |
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| 03:43.40 | squisher | rowin_, hm kvm uses a special method called 'vnet' actually |
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| 03:45.37 | rowin_ | ok, so it makes a vnet entry, how does that look? does it get an IP via dhcp? |
| 03:45.52 | squisher | hm and and vbox uses its own kernel model, so in neither case do I see the VM ip on the host side |
| 03:45.56 | squisher | yes |
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| 03:50.15 | elkingrey | the command gufw starts a program and I'd like to figure out where the executable is for that command so that I can add it to my launcher. How do I find that? |
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| 03:51.39 | emss | elkingrey `which gufw' |
| 03:51.59 | emss | elkingrey or `dpkg --search bin/gufw' |
| 03:52.53 | emss | or `locate bin/gufw' |
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| 03:53.36 | elkingrey | emss: Excellent! Thank you! |
| 03:55.01 | emss | or if you have apt-file installed `apt-file search bin/gufw' or http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 04:09.01 | elkingrey | How do I find out which ports my irc chat client need to run? |
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| 04:10.12 | squisher | it depends on the server, but the default is 6667 I believe (see /etc/services) |
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| 04:11.42 | Akuma | hello, I need some help in applying patches to source files (I have the orig.tar.gz and the version.tar.bz2) |
| 04:11.50 | Akuma | I'm not quite sure how to achieve this |
| 04:12.16 | Akuma | without actually creating a package with dpkg |
| 04:13.18 | squisher | Akuma, it's totally not clear to me what you have... does version.tar.bz2 contain the patches? |
| 04:14.11 | Akuma | specifically I want to have the sources that I can compile patched for this:http://packages.debian.org/source/stable/gst-plugins-bad0.10 |
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| 04:14.59 | Akuma | so I have both the original and I have the diff (when uncompressed gives me a debian directory within which is located the patch directory) |
| 04:15.06 | squisher | Akuma, if you need to get the sources, use "apt-get source gst-plugins-bad" |
| 04:15.16 | squisher | ah |
| 04:15.46 | Akuma | I basically need the patched sources |
| 04:15.55 | squisher | many debian packages use quilt to manage the debian/patches/ -- I think running "quilt apply" may do what you need |
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| 04:16.37 | themill | Akuma: what are you actually trying to achieve here? |
| 04:17.10 | emss | if you ahve the .patch files you can use `patch' |
| 04:17.13 | Akuma | I'm cross compiling gst-plugins-bad for a pandaboard running geexbox |
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| 04:17.51 | Akuma | the packaged version is buggy and does not have the fixes applied in the latest stable available |
| 04:18.12 | themill | Akuma: so you'd start with "apt-get source packagename" or "dget -x http://path/to/foo.dsc". |
| 04:18.16 | Akuma | which correct the issue that I am encountering |
| 04:18.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Akuma about package recompile |
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| 04:38.16 | Vooch | http://www.cyberciti.biz/ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html |
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| 04:40.56 | dioz | regardless of deb config |
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| 05:03.19 | squisher | hm, vncserver restricts passwords to 8 chars... not cool if I want to use it over the internet. But is there a viable alternative? |
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| 05:10.43 | peterrooney | squisher: IIRC, you can connect to VNC over ssh |
| 05:11.47 | squisher | peterrooney, yes, that's true, -via does that. /me ponders if that works from windows though |
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| 05:12.54 | squisher | hm, there is ssvnc... will have to give it a try |
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| 05:14.04 | themill | squisher: there are plenty of ssh clients for windows (putty, cygwin ssh, openssh native, ...) that can do port forwarding too, which is all you really need for that. |
| 05:14.22 | squisher | themill, sure but I need something userfriendly |
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| 05:19.24 | peterrooney | squisher: Security and convenience are diametrically opposed. |
| 05:20.21 | squisher | peterrooney, oh come on. Seriously? Don't throw around common wisdom which doesn't apply to the problem at hand |
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| 05:43.51 | NoOova | Hello |
| 05:44.03 | NoOova | could i put fonts configs into ~/.fonts/? |
| 05:44.32 | NoOova | For example: 20-unhint-small-dejavu-sans-mono.conf |
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| 05:48.37 | yezariaely | can I tell apt-cache search to show only packages with a version number greater x ? |
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| 05:51.57 | yezariaely | apt-cache search claws-mail 3\.9 did not produce any output, where this does apt-cache show claws-mail | grep 3\.9 |
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| 06:14.25 | salmander___ | Hello guys. During a lovely thunderstorm, I'm thinking since the end of hard disk would read/write faster, is there a way to tell LVM to create a volume on the outter most edges? and for the bonus question: how would it be different/similar to create LVM volume on top of a raid card? |
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| 06:29.15 | LLckfan | My modem went out I saw them come back on (like the cable company was working on the line) and now the router will not connect to the internet. Is there some way to get it to see the internet again without reinstalling the software? (BTW I am hooked up to the modem right now) |
| 06:29.19 | emss | salmander___ you would create a partition |
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| 06:29.43 | salmander___ | emcss: go on.. |
| 06:29.59 | salmander___ | emss sorry |
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| 06:30.35 | emss | salmander___ ah you have already created a partition which includes the part of the disk you want the lvm volume on? |
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| 06:32.18 | salmander___ | emss, let's say I have a few disks that I would like to dedicate to LVM. I can do it either as raided setup or just give the raw disks to LVM. So my question: is there a way to suggest to LVM to create a volume on the outter most available sectors of the disk |
| 06:32.27 | LLckfan | Hello |
| 06:32.31 | rryoumaa | does the outside of a disk do anything faster? i thought it was geometric sectors, therefore the same rotational distance? |
| 06:33.20 | rryoumaa | (i could be wrong, and indeed it would make sense for there to be more data there) |
| 06:33.44 | LLckfan | My modem went out I saw them come back on (like the cable company was working on the line) and now the router will not connect to the internet. Is there some way to get it to see the internet again without reinstalling the software? (BTW I am hooked up to the modem right now) |
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| 06:33.57 | salmander___ | I think when splitting the disk into two partitions (I've done this with 146GB 10K drives) partitioned into 3 equal partitions, the outter partition reads/writes faster |
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| 06:36.01 | emss | LLckfan router with debian install? |
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| 06:37.31 | Konomi | "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" I presume this new shiney message means ldconfig is being delayed until the end of aptitude upgrading packages? |
| 06:37.32 | LLckfan | no |
| 06:38.39 | emss | LLckfan your modem is the router? |
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| 06:43.33 | LLckfan | No |
| 06:43.45 | LLckfan | Modem and router two different things |
| 06:43.56 | Svetlina | lol |
| 06:44.00 | soa2ii | Hi. My Mail authetication doesn't work. After a couple of hours I always get "May 26 11:40:47 odin postfix/smtpd[7481]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms". Postfix uses dovecot sasl for auth and "/etc/init.d/dovecot status" says it's running. |
| 06:44.04 | soa2ii | Any ideas? |
| 06:44.53 | thechef | I'm about to create a repository using reprepro. Assume I want to provide 2 entirely distinct packages, which overwrite packages of the official debian distribution. Should I put the 2 packages into 2 different repositories, or 2 different Components/pools or 2 different dists? I think I should put them into 2 different repositories. Is this correct? Or is there no "correct"? |
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| 06:45.15 | thechef | by distinct I mean they also have no relationship at all |
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| 06:47.44 | themill | thechef: if you can imagine people might want one and definitely not the other then making it easy for people to do that with either a separate release or separate component is nice. Make sure you've got a suitable Release file that allows pinning too |
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| 06:49.07 | jdoles | When I start a WindowMaker session via kdm, is .profile read? If not, what is read and executed? |
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| 06:50.18 | Penix | jdoles: what are you trying to do? start an application when X/Windowmaker starts? |
| 06:50.28 | LLckfan | Hello |
| 06:50.58 | jdoles | Penix: change an environment variable WindowMaker depends on to put its state. I don't need a GNUStep directory in my homedir. |
| 06:52.44 | thechef | themill: How would users be disabled from pinning? By clashing Origin names? |
| 06:53.18 | emss | LLckfan hello |
| 06:53.43 | Svetlina | is there a way to make xterm font look the same as in urxvt? bcoz after i set both with dejavu sans mono they look different. |
| 06:53.54 | themill | thechef: yeah. If you look at the output of "apt-cache policy" you will see that there aren't really any differences between the security.debian.org repositories and the main archive which makes it difficult to pin that should you wish to do so. |
| 06:55.08 | emss | Svetlina dejavu is a ttf font ... |
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| 06:55.44 | emss | Svetlina use `xterm -fa dejavu' |
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| 06:56.10 | Svetlina | emss: ok ill try, thanks. |
| 06:56.13 | oo_miguel | I just switched from the nvidia to the free noveau driver, but my X window sys is not starting anymore and reports : no screens found. How can I fix this? |
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| 06:56.45 | LLckfan | My modem went out I saw them come back on (like the cable company was working on the line) and now the router will not connect to the internet. Is there some way to get it to see the internet again without reinstalling the software? (BTW I am hooked up to the modem right now) |
| 06:57.08 | emss | LLckfan i don't understand your question :( |
| 06:57.27 | tommyinla | LLckfan: Did you unplug the modem for 20 seconds? |
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| 06:58.10 | emss | tommyinla there are here, modem is working? |
| 06:58.23 | emss | they* |
| 06:58.26 | LLckfan | The modem works |
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| 06:58.47 | emss | oo_miguel how did you switch? |
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| 07:00.23 | tommyinla | LLckfan: hmm... When my goes flickers for a while and then comes back on, I usually a) unplug it for about 20 seconds. That somehow gets it to aquire a new IP (or the same one) and b) I'll take my interface down and then bring it back up |
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| 07:00.32 | tommyinla | sometimes I have to re-run dhcpcd |
| 07:00.43 | tommyinla | always works for me |
| 07:00.44 | oo_miguel | emss: good question. All I did is compile a new kernel with the noveau driver inside, and did not install the nvidia modules |
| 07:01.17 | oo_miguel | So I guess I did not switch at all ... :P right? |
| 07:01.35 | oo_miguel | Then my question is: How do I switch to noveau drivers ? :) |
| 07:01.42 | emss | Svetlina `xterm -fa dejavusansmono-10' |
| 07:03.04 | LLckfan | It is the router not the modem |
| 07:03.26 | tommyinla | a router isn't a modem, no |
| 07:03.48 | tommyinla | modems are just for the cable line |
| 07:03.52 | Svetlina | emss: works nice thanks again ^^ |
| 07:03.54 | emss | oo_miguel edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 07:03.58 | LLckfan | MOy issue is with the router not the modem |
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| 07:05.04 | emss | oo_miguel create a backup of xorg.conf just in case and there is a way you can edit it without making changes to that specific file |
| 07:05.10 | tommyinla | LLckfan: can you ping the router? |
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| 07:05.38 | tommyinla | my router is a debian box |
| 07:05.41 | LLckfan | It is not hooked to the internet |
| 07:05.42 | emss | oo_miguel `man xorg.conf.d' |
| 07:05.46 | LLckfan | And I do not know how to ping |
| 07:06.23 | tommyinla | Do you know the ip address of your router? |
| 07:06.36 | LLckfan | No |
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| 07:07.00 | emss | restart the router? |
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| 07:12.59 | emss | LLckfan ? |
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| 07:14.12 | LLckfan | emss ? |
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| 07:15.36 | gn00b | `/exit |
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| 07:16.07 | LLckfan | Have tried |
| 07:16.16 | LLckfan | But it makes it unsecure |
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| 07:19.01 | emss | LLckfan your router does not have debian installed on it? |
| 07:19.10 | emss | LLckfan you do not know how to access your router? |
| 07:19.26 | LLckfan | I know how to access it |
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| 07:20.20 | emss | LLckfan your router needs to request an ip from the modem? |
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| 07:20.39 | LLckfan | Never has before |
| 07:21.00 | emss | ? |
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| 07:22.35 | emss | how does your router connect to the internet? |
| 07:23.01 | LLckfan | though the router |
| 07:23.18 | emss | ? |
| 07:23.37 | LLckfan | Nevermind |
| 07:23.39 | emss | then why do you have a modem? |
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| 07:24.09 | mrmist | LLckfan: I believe that you've already been asked to stop this nonsense questioning across multiple channels, unrelated to your issue, if you even have an issue. Please stop wasting people's time. |
| 07:24.30 | LLckfan | Then where can I ask |
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| 07:45.57 | jelly-home | LLckfan: you might try ##networking |
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| 07:47.56 | LLckfan | jelly I have |
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| 07:50.56 | emss | LLckfan your router is connected to the modem? |
| 07:51.17 | jelly-home | emss: help him in ##networking, if you want to -- not here |
| 07:51.34 | LLckfan | Not right now |
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| 07:52.11 | jlgaddis | Hey guys, I'm attempting a clean install and about to go crazy here... 256MB ext2 at /dev/sdb1 for /boot, an (unused) 50GB primary partition (sdb2) and a 100GB logical partition (sdb5) as a PV for encryption (/dev/mapper/sdb5_crypt); created a VG on the PV and four LVs (/, /home, /tmp, and /var)... |
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| 07:53.07 | jlgaddis | *Every* time I finish partitioning and commit the changes, the installer creates the ext4 filesystems (for the LVs) and then immediately jumps back into the partitioner (w/o mounting the volumes). I can't simply skip past this step in the installation but I can't seem to figure out why it keeps "looping". Anyone ran into this before? |
| 07:54.39 | jelly-home | jlgaddis: might want to ask in the installer channel if noone answers here, #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (different irc network) |
| 07:55.14 | jlgaddis | Basically, I do all the partitioning then "finish partitioning and write changes to disk" and it simply goes right back into the partitioning step (w/o spitting out any errors or indications why, of course). |
| 07:55.21 | jlgaddis | jelly-home: Will do, thanks. |
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| 07:59.53 | Svetlina | LLckfan: you could ask your ISP for help. |
| 08:00.15 | Guest17687 | LOL |
| 08:00.44 | Guest17687 | might as well get on your knes and pray |
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| 08:08.00 | sbarcteam | hi guys. |
| 08:08.11 | sbarcteam | I'm using apt-cacher-ng on ubuntu to mirror debian mirrors. |
| 08:08.28 | sbarcteam | I'm getting those now: http://dpaste.com/1203408/ |
| 08:08.43 | sbarcteam | I don't think this is ubuntu specific, it seems something I don't understand properly. |
| 08:09.14 | somiaj | are you really using the mirror apt-cache.domain.com? |
| 08:09.53 | somiaj | or is apt-cache.domain.com your mirror? |
| 08:09.54 | sbarcteam | somiaj: it's sanitized hostname. |
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| 08:10.11 | sbarcteam | I'm using different mirrors via it. |
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| 08:10.36 | sbarcteam | I can post debian related apt-cacher-ng.conf file's section. |
| 08:10.38 | sbarcteam | moment. |
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| 08:11.39 | somiaj | sbarcteam: others might be better at looking at it, I was just trying to figure out if it was that you are having a GPG error with a paticular debian mirror, or it is that your mirror isn't setting up its key correctly |
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| 08:12.24 | sbarcteam | hi: http://dpaste.com/1203450/ |
| 08:12.40 | sbarcteam | (why I typed "hi"... I'm not sure :) ) |
| 08:13.01 | sbarcteam | somiaj: how can I know whether "my mirror isn't setting up its key correctly" ? |
| 08:13.27 | sbarcteam | (NOTE: When I'm using the mirrors directly, it works without warnings) |
| 08:13.44 | sbarcteam | somiaj: think it's the latter part of your suggestion (if only 2 things can go wrong in here) |
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| 08:14.32 | thechef | I set up my own repository, added a package, added the repository to my sources.list.d, run apt-get update, i find the package in the cache files, but I can't find or install using apt-cache search, apt-get install. What other conditions must be met? |
| 08:14.53 | thechef | by cachefiles I mean the files downloaded when running apt-get update |
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| 08:15.04 | nikomondo | list |
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| 08:15.18 | nikomondo | i |
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| 08:16.05 | |thunder | Hey all, Looking t to make a live boot squeeze usb stick. Any one have some good links ? |
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| 08:17.09 | somiaj | sbarcteam: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1877/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-resolve-apt-get-badsig-gpg-errors |
| 08:17.39 | somiaj | sbarcteam: I get lots of google hits, the second answer (with mv lists lists.old and reupdating) sems to fix things for many |
| 08:17.49 | somiaj | sbarcteam: though seems the poster prefered the first solution of just adding the key |
| 08:18.04 | somiaj | |thunder: live.debian.net |
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| 08:20.10 | somiaj | |thunder: that not only has some premade usb live images, it is a set of tools and documentation to make your own |
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| 08:21.34 | |thunder | thank you somiaj. I've been poking around on this site already |
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| 08:22.08 | |thunder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.19 | somiaj | |thunder: I prefer the usb-hdd images (because you can partition the rest of the usb drive to be storage) |
| 08:24.31 | a7x | is anybody aware of a bug while installing wheezy, about "Failure trying to run : chroot /target mount-t proc proc /proc" |
| 08:24.36 | somiaj | |thunder: but the hybrid-iso's work well to. And grab the one that has the desktop you like |
| 08:25.26 | a7x | (this happens with a debian lxde amd64 live iso, the md5 looks right) |
| 08:25.53 | somiaj | (which reminds me I keep meaning to check if the wheezy iso-hybrid images can easily allow you to partition the remaining part of the disk, I was kinda surprised they are not made anymore) |
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| 08:26.15 | somiaj | a7x: type 'mount' I belive the live iso's don't mount the install at /target |
| 08:26.29 | somiaj | a7x: for some reason the live installer seems to error out with that and then installing grub a lot |
| 08:26.51 | a7x | ok somiaj, i'll do that, thanks |
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| 08:28.20 | somiaj | a7x: I'm thinking it is like /usr/lib/live/target or somethign strange like that |
| 08:28.39 | somiaj | a7x: the few times I"ve used the live installer I had to manually install grub (by chrooting into the install) |
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| 08:30.16 | a7x | somiaj, i actually tried something before that, installing it in english works |
| 08:30.28 | a7x | thanks anyway :) |
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| 08:38.01 | superlinux-hp | hi. i need to associate PDF with acrobat reader as default app, but open-with is not listing it at all. what should i do? |
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| 08:39.15 | fluffybunnyuk_ | morning moof2 |
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| 08:40.34 | well_laid_lawn | superlinux-hp: you should have an option to give a custom command |
| 08:40.48 | superlinux-hp | I don't see it |
| 08:40.48 | jargon | superlinux-hp: "Open With Other Application" ? |
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| 08:41.16 | jargon | superlinux-hp: "Open With Other Application" ? |
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| 08:42.11 | superlinux-hp | jargon, i cannot see in gnome classic the entry to type command |
| 08:42.39 | superlinux-hp | gnome 3.4 is really rubbish. i feel confined and chained |
| 08:42.59 | free_mind | Anyone who can give me a pointer how to add G.722 codec to debian (I'm using baresip as my client/agent)... |
| 08:43.07 | jargon | superlinux-hp: aaaaah. gnome 3. there's the problem |
| 08:43.23 | superlinux-hp | i am on wheezy |
| 08:43.24 | jargon | superlinux-hp: sorry can't help you with that. i use openbox on crunchbang |
| 08:43.56 | jargon | superlinux-hp: maybe consider a different desktop environment or something? |
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| 08:44.19 | superlinux-hp | no. gnome is still the best for my needs. |
| 08:44.24 | jargon | superlinux-hp: ok |
| 08:44.29 | superlinux-hp | but gnome 3 is rubbish |
| 08:44.35 | jargon | superlinux-hp: good luck :-) |
| 08:46.06 | well_laid_lawn | you'll probably have to open gconf editor |
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| 08:51.37 | jlgaddis | heh, change desktop environments because he needs to open pdf's? sounds a little drastic, lol. |
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| 08:54.48 | jargon | jlgaddis: he was expressing general dissatisfaction with gnome 3. not just on the pdf issue. a change in desktop environments would not be drastic in such a case |
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| 09:26.23 | soa2ii | After upgrading from squeeze to wheezy I cannot upgrade dovecot. Some dovecot related packages fail with " Package dovecot-core is not configured yet." |
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| 09:46.16 | sandip | how is new debian 7 ? |
| 09:46.29 | Zharf | already outdated |
| 09:46.43 | OpenTokix | best thing since sliced bread |
| 09:46.51 | sandip | any reference link |
| 09:46.53 | sandip | ? |
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| 09:47.08 | AlexM_ | hey guys, anybody got some experince setting up porftpd to limit the transfer rate of one specific user? |
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| 09:47.36 | AlexM_ | i'm using the TransferRate directive of mod_xfer |
| 09:47.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does Debian provide anything like minimal chroots one can use to debootstrap? |
| 09:47.50 | AlexM_ | only i'm not certain of the syntax |
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| 09:48.37 | nkuttler | Eduard_Munteanu: i thought you'd use debootstrap itself to create one |
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| 09:48.55 | mquin | Eduard_Munteanu: take a look at the --variant switch |
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| 09:49.12 | mquin | minbase should give you something fairly tiny |
| 09:49.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | nkuttler: well, yeah, but I'm on Gentoo here. There is a debootstrap ebuild, but I wanted to avoid having to get the signing keys and all that. |
| 09:49.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | So I wondered if I could debootstrap from a chroot. |
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| 09:55.28 | AlexM_ | found one :-D |
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| 09:56.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | Blargh, debootstrap only warns about the missing keyring, but it doesn't refuse to bootstrap. |
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| 10:03.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Huh, even with the 2012 key from ftp-master, I get E: Release signed by unknown key (key id AED4B06F473041FA) |
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| 10:08.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, hm, it looks like it's the squeeze key. |
| 10:08.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Got it. |
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| 11:14.23 | kombi | box with multiple NICs and IPs. How does one set the IP for outgoing traffic? |
| 11:15.28 | format_c | kombi: according to it's local routing table, the outgoing interface is being determined |
| 11:15.46 | format_c | and so the IP address to be used as the source address |
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| 11:20.13 | kombi | format_c: routing table starts on eth2, where the IP I'prefer resides. Still eth0 is used... |
| 11:21.08 | format_c | kombi: can you nopaste it? |
| 11:21.13 | format_c | netstat -rn |
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| 11:22.24 | kombi | format_c: I always just use route, same output..;) http://pastebin.se/xUnFJ9iu |
| 11:23.43 | bjelleklang | Anyone else having issues with debian apt mirrors today? |
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| 11:24.00 | bjelleklang | The norwegian one has expired :/ |
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| 11:28.19 | format_c | kombi: and the destination IP is what? |
| 11:30.45 | format_c | kombi: and please use "route -n" to turn off name resolution |
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| 11:33.00 | kombi | format_c: when I traceroute to anywhere, eth0 is used |
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| 11:38.42 | kombi | format_c: ..instead of eth2, which is connected to the faster line |
| 11:39.01 | format_c | kombi: which destination IP? |
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| 11:39.29 | kombi | format_c: by destination IP you mean the one I traceroute to? |
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| 11:41.02 | format_c | yes for example |
| 11:41.18 | kombi | format_c: ough... I just occurs to me it is mere question of setting the gateway... sorry |
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| 11:42.22 | kombi | stupid me! |
| 11:42.47 | format_c | I still want to understand your question. you host is using destination based routing. If you have multiple routes in your local routing table, the destination matters in the decison of selecting the outgoing interface and therefore the IP address used as the sender. |
| 11:43.47 | format_c | <kombi> format_c: when I traceroute to anywhere, eth0 is used .... ..instead of eth2, which is connected to the faster line |
| 11:44.00 | format_c | I just reread what you wrote |
| 11:44.07 | format_c | what you say is logical. |
| 11:44.20 | format_c | Because the default route points to a gateway on eth0 |
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| 11:44.39 | kombi | format_c: that's right |
| 11:45.10 | format_c | If you have a router on the network behind eth2, you should set the default route or default gateway to that IP of that router |
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| 11:45.53 | kombi | format_c: I will do that next. You can't have multiple gateways I take it |
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| 11:46.27 | Walex | kombi: you can have many, each wiht its own metric. |
| 11:46.37 | format_c | you can |
| 11:46.53 | format_c | you can set duplicate routes |
| 11:47.10 | format_c | with same metric, load balancing takes place. |
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| 11:48.16 | kombi | Walex: format_c: that would be ideal.. I always ran into problems just putting two gateways in network/interfaces though |
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| 11:49.47 | format_c | with different metric, the better one us used until the interface goes down (eth2) and then the gateway on eth0 |
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| 11:50.14 | format_c | the issue is, that the routing back to your network also needs to be set on the different routers |
| 11:50.58 | kombi | format_c: so nothing stateful there.. maybe I just switch to the better nic |
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| 11:54.13 | format_c | OK just switching to a different NIC is enough |
| 11:54.24 | format_c | not enough |
| 11:54.51 | format_c | unless the routing is setup properly it won't work. |
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| 11:55.41 | Walex | kombi: what format_c is saying is that your outgoing routing is something you can change. Only your ISP can change your *incoming* routing. |
| 11:55.51 | dym | Hey all! Im trying to display all current unique connections on port 80 on a certain machine. unfortunately a http call results into multiple connections, including those in wait state. Is there some way to eliminate the ones with the same destination ip address and get a unique count? http://pastebin.com/xB2AVwqi |
| 11:56.08 | format_c | I just think that it even doens't work as it breaks TCP |
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| 11:56.43 | Walex | format_c: to achieve transparent dual-line one must have a globally routed set of addresses. |
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| 11:58.05 | txomon|fon | seriously there is a VERY REAL PROBLEM with the cpuscaling in laptops without AC |
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| 11:58.22 | txomon|fon | I have reported the bug and had no reply... |
| 11:58.51 | format_c | Walex: I just realized that I talked partially bullshit |
| 11:59.13 | kombi | Walex: format_c: what if I did ip route add default scope global nexthop via [ip gateway1] dev eth0 weight 1 nexthop via [ip gateway2] eth2 weight 1 |
| 11:59.27 | kombi | format_c: you did not! |
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| 12:01.29 | boudiccas | using apt-get how can i install the 'rcommends' as well as the target program please? |
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| 12:04.04 | kombi | boudiccas: if by 'rcommdens' you mean dependencies those will be either installed or suggested |
| 12:04.05 | abrotman | boudiccas: what's wrong with using aptitude? |
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| 12:04.29 | Walex | dym: perhaps you meant to say "same source ip address" |
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| 12:05.31 | Walex | boudiccas: 'man apt-get | less' and then "/recommend" |
| 12:05.44 | boudiccas | kombi, suggested |
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| 12:06.05 | abrotman | boudiccas: depends/recommends/suggests ... |
| 12:06.06 | Walex | boudiccas: 'man apt-get | less' and then "/suggest" |
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| 12:06.19 | boudiccas | abrotman, i much prefer apt-get, its so much easier to understand i find, but, horses for caurses |
| 12:06.21 | dym | Walex: solved. im using lsof now. |
| 12:06.23 | dym | thanks anyways. |
| 12:06.30 | abrotman | caurses? |
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| 12:06.56 | boudiccas | abrotman, possibly a typo, maybe courses, i'm not too sure |
| 12:07.17 | abrotman | boudiccas: read the man page .. this isn't hard .. do a little research next time |
| 12:07.32 | leafwiz | Hey, Just wondering. I would like to route console to ttyS0 in grub2. But do I loose the graphical console then? |
| 12:08.12 | leafwiz | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Working_with_the_serial_console <-- guide i'm following. |
| 12:08.15 | leafwiz | I have a debian system |
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| 12:11.01 | boudiccas | when trying to use 'man apt', i get the following ' man apt |
| 12:11.02 | boudiccas | man: can't execute pager.sh: No such file or directory |
| 12:11.02 | boudiccas | man: command exited with status 255: LESS=-ix8RmPm Manual page apt(8) ?ltline %lt?L/%L.:byte %bB?s/%s..?e (END):?pB %pB\%.. (press h for help or q to quit)$PM Manual page apt(8) ?ltline %lt?L/%L.:byte %bB?s/%s..?e (END):?pB %pB\%.. (press h for help or q to quit)$ MAN_PN=apt(8) pager.sh' . its obviously trying to load it, but failing but why? hwat am i missing please, fresh wheezy install yesterday |
| 12:11.12 | format_c | Walex: the issue with eaqual cost multipath routing, if packet distribution is based on round-robin, the SYN goes out the eth2 interface with the source address of eth2, the SYN ACK comes back on eth0 but on this address, the host doesn't have a valid socket. |
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| 12:11.53 | format_c | that I mean with breaking TCP |
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| 12:17.42 | boudiccas | to floow up, 'pager.sh' is a file in my cron directory, which says '#!/bin/sh col -b | vim -R -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist ignorecase' -' as it was hindering and not helping i've deleted it but am still stucj with the error message from man |
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| 12:17.46 | boudiccas | follow |
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| 12:19.02 | kombi | format_c: check out iproute2 |
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| 12:19.45 | KerrMD | Howdy all. I have a laptop that is annoying me to no end. The screen keeps blanking. I've used xset to disable the dpms but cannot get it to run the command on login. I've tried making a .xinitrc script in my home dir but no love their either. Everything I read on google is not much help. |
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| 12:21.53 | histo | KerrMD: http://kb.gosi.at/content/33/85/en/how-to-disable-screen-blanking-in-debian.html |
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| 12:24.02 | KerrMD | heh, thanks. I completely missed that one |
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| 12:25.31 | histo | KerrMD: first result in duckduckgo.com |
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| 12:29.19 | KerrMD | There's my issue. I cannot stand that search site |
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| 12:31.28 | KerrMD | Would /etc/console-setup == /etc/console-tools? I do not seem to have the file they're pointing to in that guide |
| 12:32.14 | KerrMD | I mean directory, not file |
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| 12:33.41 | Walex | KerrMD: '/etc/kdb/' |
| 12:33.45 | Walex | KerrMD: '/etc/kbd/' |
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| 12:35.35 | KerrMD | thankws' |
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| 12:36.33 | Walex | KerrMD: you don't need to reboot, just run the illustrated command manually |
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| 12:37.29 | dorfa | I've downloaded debian-hurd.img.tar.gz and extracted it: debian-hurd-20130504 => Virtulabox can not recognize the file?! |
| 12:38.38 | dorfa | file = debian-hurd-20130504.img |
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| 12:39.31 | KerrMD | rebooted anyways but thanks. I've another issue that I am working on with startup hanging at a blank screen. =( |
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| 12:45.11 | dorfa | oH, yes: #debian-hurd on irc.debian.org |
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| 12:51.06 | KerrMD | Well, that did not seem to sort it out either. |
| 12:51.56 | e-anima | could it be that squeeze has no mysqli correctly working? php |
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| 12:56.43 | mase76 | hi! i want to reinstall my server to get a clean update to wheezy. the problem is the update of postgresql to 9.1. is a dump enough to do the update? |
| 12:58.20 | AlexM_ | mase76, set up a test box with wheezy and test it out |
| 12:58.33 | Kyshtynbai | !openvpn |
| 12:58.33 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. As this uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys and the openvpn-blacklist package. As of openvpn 2.1~rc9, add "script-security 2" in config files for external command use. http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:58.37 | AlexM_ | or a VM |
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| 12:59.54 | Kyshtynbai | Hi guys. I'm running wheezy with gnome-shell and when I create openvpn connection and save it, it appears in nm list of connections. But when I click it nothing happens. Have anyone faced such issue? |
| 13:00.53 | AlexM_ | mase76, you do not want to go do such a thing without having seen with your own eyes that it works... |
| 13:01.09 | mase76 | you're right |
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| 13:15.20 | DarsVaeda | is there an automatic update mechanism in wheezy? |
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| 13:16.21 | DarsVaeda | at least the software updater seems not to work properly, cause on console doing "apt-get upgrade" I get 50 megs of updates and the updater says the system is up to date |
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| 13:18.24 | stew | DarsVaeda: can you show us the actual output? |
| 13:18.35 | CybDev | DarsVaeda: unattended-upgrades, but it needs to be set up right |
| 13:18.43 | CybDev | by default i think it only tracks security updates |
| 13:19.36 | DarsVaeda | stew: "All software is up to date - There are no software updates available for your computer at this time." |
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| 13:20.30 | stew | i've never seen apt-get upgrade say anything like that! |
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| 13:20.50 | CybDev | he means the graphical application i think |
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| 13:20.58 | DarsVaeda | yes |
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| 13:21.09 | DarsVaeda | apt-get says it has upgrades thou |
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| 13:21.35 | CybDev | yes, because automatic upgrades is arguably a horrible idea for a production server :-) |
| 13:21.52 | stew | what is "the software updater"? |
| 13:21.53 | CybDev | so security-updates only is a fair compromise |
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| 13:22.31 | DarsVaeda | yes uhm no...I mean...probably said that wrong ^^ |
| 13:23.04 | DarsVaeda | is there a mechanism in wheezy + gnome to notify me of updates and install them through the gui |
| 13:23.37 | DarsVaeda | as I get no information and as said the software updater application only says there are no updates when there are :) |
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| 13:35.26 | chrisw_ | hi all, can anyone recommend a simple and quick to set up tool to get trending reports of cpu, memory and disk on a cluster of machines? |
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| 13:39.19 | dioz | so |
| 13:39.36 | dioz | vino is a VNC server |
| 13:39.44 | dioz | configured via debconf under desktop > remote-access |
| 13:40.06 | dioz | you can change interface and port and authentication options via the debconf interface or very weak GUI vino-preferences |
| 13:40.22 | dioz | having said that i cannot get vino to stop listening to tcp6::5800 |
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| 13:41.35 | rutger_ | Hi all, question. I've got cairo (libcairo2-dev) installeerd through apt-get. But it must be compiled with libjpeg8-dev libpango1.0-dev libgif-dev. I've installed these packages too prior of installing cairo. But how do I check I actually installed cairo with jpg en png support compiled? |
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| 13:42.14 | julie29 | hello! what is the default de and wm in debian 7? |
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| 13:42.53 | D|nA | gnome 3.4 |
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| 13:43.01 | themill | julie29: the one you choose to install |
| 13:43.23 | themill | dioz: vino doesn't have any debconf templates |
| 13:43.37 | julie29 | hmm! |
| 13:44.39 | dioz | when i adjust the interface (for example) from lo, eth1, eth2, br0 i do see the recognizable changes (such as when it's on my br0 it has about 5 addresses it binds to using alternative port 5900) |
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| 13:44.49 | dioz | however it STILL keeps listening on tcp6::5800 |
| 13:45.03 | dioz | i'm using netstat -lpWnt to determine this |
| 13:45.21 | dioz | when i connect to the tcp6::5800 from a different AS it connects but then just chills |
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| 14:06.44 | lord_rob | Hi ! Anybody has an idea of a fast debian server near Belgium (nl.debian.org is far from as stable as debian.org) |
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| 14:08.37 | Quest | cant a virus come in linux ? or a virus be absolutely stopped in windows? well if you run windows as non admin. the virus cant crash the system , just the user files. |
| 14:08.44 | bw_ | lord_rob: have a look at apt-spy :) |
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| 14:09.36 | themill | lord_rob: if you want reliable, then use http.debian.net. Any European mirror should be able to serve stuff at you fast enough |
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| 14:10.19 | drmarvelous | trying to reset a server password (client accidentally changed it, now we can't do anything). Got control of grub and added rw init=/bin/bash so we can try and force the password change, but booting halts at "cannot set terminal process group (-1): |
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| 14:12.32 | pagios | any idea how to install wine on debian? |
| 14:12.39 | dioz | apt-get install wine |
| 14:12.41 | drmarvelous | apt-get install wine |
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| 14:13.06 | pagios | E: Package 'wine' has no installation candidate |
| 14:13.15 | dioz | apt-cache search wine |
| 14:13.56 | pagios | dioz: http://pastie.org/7979575 |
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| 14:14.49 | themill | !show sources.list pagios |
| 14:14.50 | dpkg | pagios: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 14:14.55 | dioz | apt-cache seahrch wine1.4 |
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| 14:15.17 | pagios | dioz: wine1.4-common - Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (transitional package) |
| 14:15.21 | pagios | is that the one? |
| 14:15.28 | themill | no |
| 14:15.33 | dioz | link your sources as themill suggested |
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| 14:16.31 | pagios | dioz: http://pastie.org/7979590 |
| 14:16.57 | themill | pagios: why are you asking here? |
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| 14:17.38 | dioz | lol |
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| 14:17.46 | pagios | ;| |
| 14:18.01 | val_erie | I would like to extract audio from a youtube video and record it to a digital recorder. What would be the best way tko do it in debian? |
| 14:18.37 | dimitry7 | Hello guys! Anyone working with Xen.. have you got you host CPU capabilities in XML format that might share with me? So that I can test #virsh cpu-compare caps.xml ... I think this is better than correcting mistakes on mine. Thanks!! |
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| 14:19.24 | lord_rob | themill: sorry I didn't meant reliable I meant fast, my modem is 1600kBps max and I don't get close to this limit (far from it) whereas it worked well with ftp.debian.org |
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| 14:21.42 | dioz | the internet is slow... can someone reboot it for me? |
| 14:21.57 | Wulf | dioz: done. |
| 14:22.04 | dioz | thnx |
| 14:24.26 | lord_rob | but thanks bw_ I found belnet universities network in belgium :) |
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| 14:27.36 | Pymous | Hello ! |
| 14:27.45 | dioz | omg hai! |
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| 14:32.11 | lord_rob | yes belnet is a good mirror |
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| 14:35.09 | val_erie | I am trying to download a video from youtube using youtube-dl command. It downloads the video, but the name of the video file has spaces in it , so I can not rename or do anything with it . How can I download a video without having spaces in its name? |
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| 14:36.12 | ksk | val_erie: how about suppling youtube-dl a name? |
| 14:36.19 | ksk | instead of saying "use video name" |
| 14:36.28 | ksk | and sure you can rename files which have whitespaces in their names |
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| 14:36.47 | ksk | first, try putting "" around the filename, like 'mv "file with spaces" foo' |
| 14:37.07 | calisto | hi, any explain me who install debian 7 ina uefi system Im reed any pages and the sistem dosent boot |
| 14:38.16 | calisto | other opearting system boot (OpenSuse, Ubuntu) |
| 14:38.20 | calisto | Im prefer Debian |
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| 14:40.54 | mumpitzel | calisto: does the cd/usb stick boot in any other PC? |
| 14:41.21 | mumpitzel | or when you disable UEFI and use the CSM? |
| 14:41.41 | calisto | mumixam: I download the net install amd64 |
| 14:41.48 | Arrowmaster | debian doesnt support secure boot so to use UEFI, secure boot must be disabled |
| 14:41.52 | calisto | unse unetbootin to install in a pendrive |
| 14:42.01 | Arrowmaster | dont use unetbootin |
| 14:42.06 | Arrowmaster | it breaks uefi |
| 14:42.07 | mumpitzel | calisto: unetbootin is a bad idea |
| 14:42.11 | Guest16115 | calisto: unetbootin doesn't work for Debian -- It breaks the system |
| 14:42.12 | calisto | and the notebook boot ok from the usb |
| 14:42.16 | Guest16115 | dpkg: tell calisto -about usb install |
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| 14:42.36 | mumpitzel | calisto: under what OS do you create the USB stick? |
| 14:42.40 | Guest16115 | calisto: It's most likely because you used unetbootin ... it is horrible |
| 14:43.03 | calisto | Im using cryptofs for / and swap |
| 14:43.15 | calisto | the instalation process works ok |
| 14:43.27 | calisto | but dosent install |
| 14:43.36 | calisto | de boot loader |
| 14:43.46 | calisto | in uefi mode |
| 14:43.48 | veek | i'm seeing a lot of queries like so: AAAA? tools.ietf.org A? tools.ietf.org AAAA? www.itwire.com etc. I'm using opendns and pdnsd (on localhost). Have I misconfigured something.. |
| 14:44.03 | calisto | im boot from Open Suse |
| 14:44.08 | calisto | mount all partitions ok |
| 14:44.11 | calisto | of debian |
| 14:44.18 | Guest16115 | calisto: Don't use unetbootin |
| 14:44.20 | veek | AAA? www.bbc.co.uk i mean, i'm not even browsing the BBC and i'm seeing that query.. |
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| 14:44.32 | Guest16115 | dpkg: tell calisto -about fixmbr |
| 14:44.34 | veek | generally when i do a google in firefox |
| 14:44.54 | calisto | install grub-efi-amd64 |
| 14:45.09 | calisto | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 14:45.12 | calisto | on a chroot |
| 14:45.19 | calisto | create the efi entry |
| 14:45.33 | Guest16115 | calisto: You *might* be able to install th bootloader manually by following the instructions the bot just sent you, but I've seen way to many broken installations with unetbootin to trust it even ever so slightly |
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| 14:45.49 | calisto | on /dev/sda1 and aper on the bios |
| 14:45.54 | calisto | but dosen boot |
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| 14:46.25 | calisto | If any know a wite paper |
| 14:46.26 | Guest16115 | calisto: Please install Debian in a supported manner and we can take it from there. |
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| 14:46.31 | val_erie | ksk, the " " works well for renaming, but how can I supply my own name for the video . For example if I use youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSdsHHGbyr4 command , where do I put my name ? |
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| 14:47.47 | ksk | dunno, nothing in manpage? |
| 14:48.06 | calisto | Guest16115: calisto: Please install Debian in a supported manner and we can take it from there. <-- what is the supported manner? |
| 14:48.29 | calisto | pleace sendme a link and I read this |
| 14:48.31 | ffio | currently i was using debian testing, how can i start using debain stable ? do i have to install debian from scratch or just change the sources ? |
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| 14:49.23 | calisto | mumpitzel: I create the image over ubuntu |
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| 14:49.36 | nkuttler | ffio: reinstall |
| 14:49.53 | calisto | but the pendrive boot ok |
| 14:49.59 | nkuttler | !tell calisto about ig |
| 14:50.03 | nkuttler | !tell calisto about netinst |
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| 14:50.34 | calisto | nkuttler: what you need? |
| 14:51.16 | nkuttler | calisto: hm? |
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| 14:51.41 | calisto | I download a net install of debian 7 a iso and use unetbootin to sen this ti a pendrive |
| 14:51.54 | ffio | nkuttler: isn't there any other way round ? |
| 14:51.57 | calisto | sorry nkuttler what is hm? |
| 14:52.16 | mtn | ffio: nope, time to reinstall |
| 14:52.52 | ffio | mtn: what happens if i change the source to stable will it make my debian unstable ? |
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| 14:53.11 | mekeor | silly but serious question: why doesn't/can't debian offer unity in its repos? what's the problem exactly? – i mean, most distros offer most desktop environments. but why is unity only offered by ubuntu (and similar)? |
| 14:53.12 | mtn | ffio: it won't downgrade the packages, it doesn't work that way |
| 14:53.33 | ffio | mtn: ok :) |
| 14:53.36 | mtn | mekeor: nobody else likes it? |
| 14:53.50 | calisto | any install debian 7 over uefi system? |
| 14:53.58 | mekeor | mtn: hm |
| 14:54.23 | calisto | what are the steeps to do this? |
| 14:54.31 | mnuhmnuh | mekeor: if someone pkgs it for debian, it'll be in debian. |
| 14:54.36 | mekeor | mtn: so debian *could* offer unity (if it wanted)? |
| 14:54.41 | mekeor | mnuhmnuh: hm, i see |
| 14:54.43 | mtn | mekeor: sure |
| 14:54.53 | Guest84584 | dpkg: tell calisto -about usb install |
| 14:55.04 | Guest84584 | calisto: "supported manner" == "don't use unetbootin" |
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| 14:55.32 | Guest84584 | ffs, /me curses nickserv |
| 14:56.12 | calisto | Guest84584: place explain mi what is te correct mode |
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| 14:56.57 | Arrowmaster | !usb install |
| 14:56.58 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 14:57.11 | calisto | dpkg: usb install |
| 14:57.11 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 14:57.31 | Guest84584 | calisto: Read all the factoids our bot sent you in the last couple of minutes as private messages. And please don't invoke the same factoid again. There really isn't a need to do that. |
| 14:57.32 | Arrowmaster | download win32diskimager from that link and use it |
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| 14:58.06 | mtn | Arrowmaster: he said he has Ubuntu |
| 14:58.11 | Guest84584 | Or use the method detailed in the installation guide if you are on linux (i.e. "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" -- with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB drive) |
| 14:58.25 | calisto | ok read this |
| 14:58.40 | Guest84584 | calisto: But please, our bot send you multiple messages in private in the last few minutes with lots of links. Just read those. |
| 14:58.52 | Guest84584 | calisto: didn't you receive them? |
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| 14:59.29 | nmschulte | I've had this problem since before Wheezy was frozen; basically since GNOME 3 had any sort of stability in Debian. I've setup a shortcut/hotkey/accelerator in GNOME 3 for launching a terminal (because the built-in one was removed). I've set it up for ALT+F3. |
| 15:00.01 | nmschulte | When I press ALT+F3, usually, the shortcut isn't "caught", and I get no terminal. If I hold the keys longer, about half a second, it usually works. |
| 15:00.12 | nmschulte | I don't have to do this with ALT+F2 and other shortcuts, I can stroke them as fast as I wish. |
| 15:00.24 | nmschulte | Using xev, I can see that ALT and F3 are definitely being input to X. |
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| 15:16.05 | mekeor | uhm, how can i check again which libraries a program is using? |
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| 15:17.10 | mekeor | mekeor: well, maybe you could just google it? it's ldd. |
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| 15:19.04 | danols_work | nano states pressing META^$ to toggle softwrap, on my machine it's ctrl key i've tried ctrl $ ctrl + shift + $ no go |
| 15:19.15 | danols_work | how does one toggle softwrap right from within the editor ? |
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| 15:30.45 | ExeciN | When I try to boot debian I am always getting stuck to populating /dev. How can I proceed? |
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| 15:38.12 | mnuhmnuh | ExeciN: how long do you wait? |
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| 15:39.03 | ExeciN | mnuhmnuh: about 10 mins |
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| 15:40.11 | ExeciN | I think it's my GPUs (i have 2) |
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| 15:47.51 | morsik | how can i add custom package to debian installer? |
| 15:48.03 | morsik | is it possible without modifying vmlinuz image? |
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| 15:48.15 | morsik | i want zfs built-in in installation |
| 15:48.28 | morsik | for me - it can be dynamically insatlled inside live |
| 15:48.34 | morsik | right before installing |
| 15:49.01 | petn-randall | Hi, I've started a VM with "kvm -curses -hda /dev/sda -hdb /dev/sdb" for testing purposes. I'm trying to shut it down gracefully. How's the best way to do that? I can't log in inside the VM, so I have to send it an ACPI off somehow. |
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| 15:49.17 | morsik | petn-randall: from inside, or outside? |
| 15:49.23 | morsik | ah, sry... |
| 15:49.25 | pithagorians | hi all. trying to add a partition from the second hdd into a massive that had root mounted on it. getting mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda3: Device or resource busy . any idea? |
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| 17:08.39 | squisher | I'd really prefer to not add the deb line, because I don't want to install packages directly, I want to backport them |
| 17:08.52 | Trae32566-NE | babilen, was that in response to what I just said, or was it really late? |
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| 17:09.30 | babilen | Trae32566-NE: It was in response to your nonsensical and off-topic "meme" content earlier. |
| 17:09.43 | Trae32566-NE | babilen, drop it. |
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| 17:10.00 | Trae32566-NE | it happened awhile ago, don't be an ass, just drop it. |
| 17:10.41 | babilen | Trae32566-NE: Please also refrain from that kind of language in here. This is a support channel not a social chat one. |
| 17:10.49 | theothertom | squisher: my packaging workflow involves using packages.debian.org to find the sources and working from there |
| 17:10.51 | babilen | Either way, I guess you got the message. |
| 17:11.00 | theothertom | but I'm not doing anything "normal" :) |
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| 17:11.12 | squisher | theothertom, I'm lazy ;-) apt-get source is so much easier than having to download everything with a browser |
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| 17:11.23 | babilen | "debcheckout PKG" is even better |
| 17:11.25 | squisher | and it /should/ work.... |
| 17:11.36 | squisher | checks that... |
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| 17:12.09 | babilen | squisher: It is one of many useful tools in the devscripts package |
| 17:12.44 | theothertom | I should really get more familier with the real process for building/working with source debs |
| 17:12.46 | squisher | babilen, can I use it to select the released version though? I don't want to use the latest |
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| 17:13.23 | babilen | squisher: If you checkout the VCS you can typically just checkout whatever tag you want ... |
| 17:13.49 | babilen | squisher: Should just be a "git checkout -b X.Y.Z debian/X.Y.Z" away ... |
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| 17:15.52 | squisher | babilen, bah, the pkg I wanted to work with doesn't have the testing version in their VCS... |
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| 17:16.53 | squisher | I guess the dev forgot to push... |
| 17:17.05 | babilen | squisher: Did you check remote branches? |
| 17:17.11 | babilen | squisher: Which package is it? |
| 17:17.35 | squisher | babilen, facter |
| 17:17.41 | squisher | and no, there's no relevant branch |
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| 17:17.50 | squisher | (in any case it should show up in the tags) |
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| 17:20.24 | babilen | squisher: yeah, looks as if the tag is missing for 1.7.0-1 |
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| 17:20.47 | squisher | I'll shoot an email to the dev |
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| 17:21.49 | babilen | squisher: something is fishy with that package, (take a look at the changelog) but I don't have the time right now to look into it in detail |
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| 17:22.44 | squisher | babilen, fishy how? |
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| 17:23.28 | babilen | judd: v facter |
| 17:23.29 | judd | Package: facter on i386 -- squeeze: 1.5.7-3; squeeze-backports: 1.6.9-2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.6.10-1; jessie: 1.7.0-1; sid: 1.7.0-1; experimental: 2.0.0~rc3-1 |
| 17:24.15 | squisher | sorry, still not quite spotting the fishy part... |
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| 17:24.59 | thechef | I maintain a repository, which has a package A which claims to need package B, but that claim is false. However, it does not claim that using "Depends". It instead claims that on startup and then tries to fire up the package manager to install it. I tried to satisfy this application by creating a dummy package B-dummy with "Provides: B", but that doesn't help because the application uses it's own mechanism to check satisfaction and they |
| 17:25.01 | thechef | fail. Is it in that case a good idea to create a dummy package with the name "B" instead of "B-dummy"? |
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| 17:25.24 | babilen | squisher: nah, nothing really ... |
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| 17:25.46 | squisher | thechef, steam? |
| 17:25.52 | thechef | squisher: you're good! |
| 17:26.08 | Arrowmaster | steam is in debian |
| 17:26.29 | thechef | Arrowmaster: backported to wheezy? |
| 17:26.56 | Arrowmaster | no, experimental |
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| 17:27.17 | Arrowmaster | and it will never be backported to wheezy unless libc is backported too |
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| 17:27.59 | thechef | Yeah exactly, that's the issue and that's why I have this repository. |
| 17:28.03 | Arrowmaster | but you can remove the file that does the check for jockey-common |
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| 17:28.25 | thechef | Arrowmaster: yeah I was looking for that, which file is it? |
| 17:28.43 | Arrowmaster | steamdeps in /usr/bin |
| 17:28.51 | thechef | Arrowmaster: do you know GhostSquad57 (github) and why he didn't remove it in the first place? |
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| 17:29.00 | squisher | still wonders why apt-get source fails... apt-cache showsrc shows the version I want |
| 17:29.13 | delby | hi. i used to be able to install sid from expert install of the businesscard testing installer, but it no longer exists. which installer image should i use now in order to install sid directly ? thanks. |
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| 17:31.15 | Arrowmaster | thechef: no clue, although its probably better to make a modification to it so it stops trying to install jockey-common |
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| 17:32.13 | JordiGH | I really miss compiz in wheezy... I'm about to try to backport it. Any advice? |
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| 17:35.53 | tafryn | Can live-build create a liveCD that can be cached in memory so that the disk drive can be used while in the liveCD environment? |
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| 17:36.38 | Ciku | good morning |
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| 17:37.26 | Ciku | trying to install rar on wheezy, anyone? |
| 17:37.28 | rerean | hi i just downloaded a software for linux and it's zip file ! how can i install that ? |
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| 17:37.51 | Ciku | rerean apt-get install zip |
| 17:37.57 | Ciku | rerean $apt-get install zip |
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| 17:38.18 | rerean | ok i will try it now |
| 17:38.24 | thechef | Arrowmaster: you mean it's better to make a modification to steamdeps? I haven't figured out how it figures out that the package is missing. And in a sense just deleting the file sounds appealing to me, because I don't see the point for steamdeps except for systems without package management, hence the wrong use and ignorance of "Provides". |
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| 17:41.46 | Arrowmaster | thechef: probably for the better then, i think steam will still run fine without steamdeps but test it just to be sure |
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| 17:43.42 | rerean | i cannot found to right command for java in debian ... apt-get install what ??? can anyone help |
| 17:44.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell rerean -about install java |
| 17:44.13 | babilen | rerean: Assuming you want to install java |
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| 17:44.46 | rerean | i want to install aptana studio for django ... and it needs java |
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| 17:45.07 | jelly-home | rerean: use "unzip" to unpack zip files |
| 17:45.19 | Ciku | anyone? i know tehre is unrar |
| 17:45.22 | babilen | rerean: Well, then install openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre ... or whatever it needs. |
| 17:45.23 | Ciku | but how do i install rar? |
| 17:45.33 | rerean | thanks i will try now |
| 17:45.34 | Ciku | i need rar for a filemanager plugin |
| 17:45.36 | jelly-home | ,v rar |
| 17:45.36 | judd | Package: rar on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; sid/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1 |
| 17:45.47 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Ciku about non-free sources |
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| 17:46.15 | jelly-home | Ciku: note that rar is shareware |
| 17:46.28 | Ciku | jelly ah ok |
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| 17:48.36 | thechef | Arrowmaster: Okay, thanks for your help, I'll try. To some extent something like steamdeps, which requests depencencies lazily for SteamApps is justified as they are installed, because it could be used to glue 2 package management systems together (It's a bit weird to have 2 package managers - but okay - you probably can't port Steam to deb easily and I guess you still miss binary diff mechanisms needed for large packages and ability to |
| 17:48.37 | thechef | have users mark packages manually installed with refcounter) |
| 17:49.34 | thechef | and of course all the policy stuff to enable non-admin users install packages |
| 17:49.55 | Ciku | jelly once i install it |
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| 17:50.08 | Ciku | i can remove contrib non free from src right? |
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| 17:51.02 | jelly-home | Ciku: yes |
| 17:51.08 | Ciku | thanks man |
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| 17:51.37 | jelly-home | Ciku: you can also leave it there, nothing will get installed from those repos automatically |
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| 17:52.03 | Ciku | but i had to comment |
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| 17:52.18 | Ciku | deb http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 17:52.19 | Ciku | deb-src http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 17:52.19 | Ciku | #deb http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian/ wheezy main |
| 17:52.19 | Ciku | #deb-src http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian/ wheezy main |
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| 17:52.24 | Ciku | ops sorry |
| 17:52.26 | Ciku | only 4 lines |
| 17:52.38 | Ciku | but i had to comment the last 2 otherwise i got errors |
| 17:53.30 | jelly-home | it makes no sense to have multiple lines pointing to the same mirror and repo |
| 17:53.33 | deception | Ciku, just leave your first two lines and you will be fine |
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| 17:53.49 | Ciku | jelly/deception ok thank you |
| 17:53.57 | Ciku | just need to fix options |
| 17:54.08 | deception | The 3rd and 4th are redundant and can be removed |
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| 17:56.03 | Ciku | deception |
| 17:56.08 | babilen | Ciku: Is that everything you have you in your sources.list? |
| 17:56.15 | Ciku | babilen |
| 17:56.18 | Ciku | i have 2 more lines |
| 17:56.20 | Ciku | for security |
| 17:56.35 | babilen | okay, you might want to add wheezy-updates too |
| 17:56.46 | Ciku | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 17:56.46 | Ciku | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 17:56.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ciku about make wheezy sources.list |
| 17:57.01 | Ciku | i just installed znc |
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| 17:57.04 | Ciku | and it installed |
| 17:57.06 | babilen | Ciku: Please do not paste into the channel -- Use http://paste.debian.net if you want to show us something. |
| 17:57.07 | Ciku | .206 |
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| 17:57.14 | Ciku | i use to have ubuntu |
| 17:57.18 | Ciku | and it was backported |
| 17:57.28 | Ciku | so i was able to install v1 |
| 17:57.39 | Ciku | babilen ok sorry |
| 17:58.40 | Ciku | please bare with me kind sirs, i just migrated |
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| 17:58.49 | Ciku | switched* from ubuntu to debian |
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| 17:59.04 | reavengrey | I just emigrated |
| 17:59.19 | Ciku | :) |
| 17:59.23 | babilen | Ciku: No problem -- welcome to Debian. As I said: I would recommend to add a wheezy-updates entry to your sources.list too |
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| 17:59.55 | Ciku | babilen yes the one i posted is it not? |
| 18:00.03 | jelly-home | we need to reinstate the name "volatile" and remove some of the zillion *updates |
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| 18:00.21 | babilen | Ciku: No, that is wheezy/updates from security ... Almost the same, but very different usecases. |
| 18:00.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ciku about wheezy-updates |
| 18:00.42 | Ciku | ok |
| 18:00.44 | Ciku | gotcha |
| 18:00.46 | Ciku | missing 1 line |
| 18:00.51 | jelly-home | wheezy-updates, wheezy-proposed-updates, wheezy/updates SOMEONE IS CLEARLY INSANE |
| 18:00.58 | babilen | jelly-home: yeah, I completely agree -- that rename was suboptimal |
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| 18:02.24 | jelly-home | at least it replaced glibc-doc as my favorite whine |
| 18:02.30 | Ciku | dkpg: tell me about aptitude |
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| 18:02.35 | socomm | What toystory character is wheezy? |
| 18:02.39 | rerean | i just downloaded aptana for linux |
| 18:02.42 | rerean | az a zip file |
| 18:02.52 | rerean | but it cannot install by apt-get install aptana ... |
| 18:02.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ciku -about selftell |
| 18:02.56 | zaltekk | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i4YnZLrxLO4/TLb9I8u9prI/AAAAAAAAAlE/73RdURHPb5s/s1600/toystory_wheezy.jpg |
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| 18:03.02 | deception | socomm, a penguin! |
| 18:03.15 | babilen | rerean: sure, aptana is not packaged in Debian as far as I can tell |
| 18:03.19 | socomm | ah the penguin with bowtie, had to look him up on youtube |
| 18:03.25 | Ciku | hehe thanks |
| 18:03.41 | zaltekk | another good one: http://www.anchor.com.au/wp-content/uploads/wheezy_toystory.jpg |
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| 18:04.10 | fongseiyuc | Hi. |
| 18:04.12 | Ciku | so anyone here uses znc? |
| 18:04.18 | zaltekk | Ciku: i do |
| 18:04.22 | socomm | wonders if debian will ever run out of toy story characters |
| 18:04.31 | Ciku | zaltekk r u using v1? |
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| 18:04.43 | jelly-home | ,v znc |
| 18:04.44 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.0-4; sid: 1.0-4 |
| 18:04.50 | Ciku | jello/babilen/deception thanks, rar is working |
| 18:04.54 | zaltekk | yes |
| 18:05.04 | jelly-home | Ciku: you have 30 days to REGISTER!!!1 :-D |
| 18:05.05 | rerean | so how can i install the zip package ? |
| 18:05.10 | Ciku | zaltekk compiled from source? |
| 18:05.17 | Ciku | jelly-home register to? |
| 18:05.17 | zaltekk | rerean: it isn't a package |
| 18:05.17 | zaltekk | Ciku: on archlinux |
| 18:05.25 | rerean | i know |
| 18:05.25 | jelly-home | Ciku: rar is shareware. |
| 18:05.32 | rerean | the aptana zip |
| 18:05.41 | rerean | i want to work on aptana how can i install that ! |
| 18:05.41 | zaltekk | rerean: unzip it..? |
| 18:05.46 | jelly-home | Ciku: after 30 days usage, you're supposed to register the software |
| 18:05.58 | Ciku | jelly-home the one from ubuntu was free |
| 18:05.59 | Ciku | hmmmm |
| 18:06.10 | jelly-home | Ciku: that would have been unrar |
| 18:06.17 | rerean | lol w8 |
| 18:06.18 | deception | Ciku, it's more of a guideline then a rule |
| 18:06.18 | Ciku | pretty sure it was rar |
| 18:06.24 | zaltekk | i believe unrar is freeware. but the actual raring software is shareware |
| 18:06.28 | jelly-home | Ciku: pretty sure it wasn't free, then |
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| 18:06.48 | rerean | i want to use this commands :-? |
| 18:06.49 | rerean | sudo unzip [name of Aptana Studio ZIP file here].zip -d /opt |
| 18:06.53 | rerean | and |
| 18:06.54 | rerean | wget http://www.samclarke.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/AptanaStudio3.desktop sudo mv AptanaStudio3.desktop /usr/share/applications/AptanaStudio3.desktop |
| 18:07.02 | Ciku | zaltekk oh |
| 18:07.05 | jelly-home | rerean: so install "unzip" |
| 18:07.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell rerean -about paste |
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| 18:07.17 | Ciku | i cant find tar source for v1 |
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| 18:07.32 | fongseiyuc | Is there a way tool to build custom packages i.e pidgin in debian. I am thinking about something like when building a kernel with > make-kpkg |
| 18:07.38 | fongseiyuc | -way |
| 18:07.39 | rerean | ok thakns |
| 18:07.41 | zaltekk | Ciku: http://znc.in/releases/znc-1.0.tar.gz |
| 18:07.45 | zaltekk | took about 10 seconds to find |
| 18:07.48 | jelly-home | Ciku: znc ought to be easily backportable from sid |
| 18:07.50 | rerean | how about two other command |
| 18:07.55 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport znc |
| 18:07.56 | judd | Backporting package znc in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 18:08.42 | Ciku | hmm |
| 18:09.01 | Ciku | i wanted to install it using apt-get so in the future easier to remove :) |
| 18:09.05 | Arrowmaster | fongseiyuc: theres checkinstall but everybody hates it |
| 18:09.22 | fongseiyuc | Arrowmaster, :-) why that ? |
| 18:09.30 | Arrowmaster | because the packages it makes arent that good |
| 18:10.16 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Ciku about ssb |
| 18:10.42 | fongseiyuc | Arrowmaster, how are .deb packages made ? |
| 18:11.03 | jelly-home | Ciku: that procedure ought to result in znc 1.0 packages for your installation, if everything goes well |
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| 18:11.16 | stew | fongseiyuc: lots of different ways, start here: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 18:11.26 | fongseiyuc | stew, thanx |
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| 18:11.34 | Ciku | jelly-home gonna give it a go |
| 18:11.36 | Ciku | brb |
| 18:11.39 | Ciku | and thanks |
| 18:12.46 | deception | jelly-home, never knew of ssb, thanks for the tip |
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| 18:13.07 | jelly-home | "simple sid backport" |
| 18:13.22 | stew | fongseiyuc: you can also get the source of a package with "apt-get source packagename" and look in the debian/ directory inside where the build instructions are. they are all basically build from a makefile named debian/rules but there are lots of ways this is done |
| 18:13.23 | Ciku | jelly-home so do a #apt-get -b srouce http://znc.in/releases/znc-1.0.tar.gz |
| 18:13.29 | Trae32566-NE | actually |
| 18:13.34 | Trae32566-NE | you can backport it from jessie |
| 18:13.44 | jelly-home | Ciku: no, read what dpkg told you. |
| 18:13.44 | Trae32566-NE | znc 1 is in jessie as well |
| 18:13.52 | reavengrey | srouceeee |
| 18:13.58 | jelly-home | Trae32566-NE: it's exactly the same thing. |
| 18:14.08 | Trae32566-NE | only right now <.< |
| 18:14.16 | stew | also now |
| 18:14.30 | Trae32566-NE | and if you don't want to do that, I can give you the binary that I built for it awhile ago |
| 18:14.39 | Ciku | jelly-home yeah i added source |
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| 18:14.49 | Ciku | then updated |
| 18:14.51 | Trae32566-NE | (built a debian package for it, only to find out sid had it) |
| 18:14.57 | jelly-home | using binaries from random people on irc... not the best idea |
| 18:15.03 | reavengrey | your opinion is, my world is this.. everything is therefore |
| 18:15.15 | Pymous | Hello ! |
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| 18:15.37 | Trae32566-NE | jelly, I did fine distributing binaries to over 150k android users...not sure what makes this any different. |
| 18:15.39 | Pymous | I have multiple process of mysqld, how can I know the total CPU usage of those ? |
| 18:15.51 | Trae32566-NE | then again that was awhile ago |
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| 18:16.04 | thechef | Is it possible to create a package which uses Provides in a sense that it doesn't act as a placeholder globally, but for a certain package? "Provides: libc (>= 2.15) to steam-launcher" (of course again steam, I'd like to create a package which delivers a recent enough libc, but in a way so it can only be used by steam) |
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| 18:16.11 | jelly-home | Trae32566-NE: it's a question of trust |
| 18:16.24 | Ciku | ok need more reading on this im a little lost hehe |
| 18:16.44 | jordanm | thechef, nothing should declare a Provides: on a real package |
| 18:16.51 | jelly-home | thechef: there are no versioned provides. |
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| 18:17.16 | Trae32566-NE | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1677650 |
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| 18:17.25 | Trae32566-NE | can't believe its been a year since we stopped :'( |
| 18:17.30 | jordanm | thechef, besides what jelly said, the package you are declaring a provides on must be virtual |
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| 18:19.15 | stew | Trae32566-NE: are you seriously arguing that running random binaries from random people on irc is a good idea? |
| 18:19.16 | Trae32566-NE | btw, just out of curiosity, is there any reason that MariaDB shouldn't be in the debian repositories? (just curious, dunno if there are licensing issues or something weird) |
| 18:19.16 | thechef | jordanm: Are you sure? During my tests today I created a package called jockey-common-dummy providing jockey-common and the original steam.deb was able to install. |
| 18:19.34 | thechef | jordanm: or is this just a STRONG policy? |
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| 18:19.43 | Trae32566-NE | stew, no, I was just saying I'm trustworthy, but never mind :| |
| 18:19.48 | stew | uh huh |
| 18:19.49 | Ciku | jelly-home i only see squueze and lenny |
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| 18:20.02 | stew | and only someone trustworthy would say they are trustworthy |
| 18:20.06 | Ciku | ok i lie |
| 18:20.08 | jordanm | thechef, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual |
| 18:20.09 | Ciku | i just saw it |
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| 18:20.14 | Ciku | let me try again |
| 18:20.29 | Trae32566-NE | stew, no, but google analytics and multiple articles don't lie :D |
| 18:20.32 | jordanm | thechef, what you probably want is equivs |
| 18:20.49 | babilen | Trae32566-NE: The best way to package mariadb is being actively discussed - there is no particular reason apart from that we haven't made up our minds how to approach it. IIRC the last consensus was: package it alongside mysql, but don't replace it |
| 18:21.09 | stew | Trae32566-NE: i don't believe that either |
| 18:21.13 | babilen | Trae32566-NE: And I also fail to see how that link you pasted is relevant to #debian |
| 18:21.14 | jordanm | thechef, http://wiki.debian.org/CreateDummyPackage |
| 18:21.18 | jelly-home | but who will provide my libmysqlclient*s |
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| 18:21.29 | Trae32566-NE | babilen, yes. Sorry. |
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| 18:22.15 | babilen | Trae32566-NE: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg00408.html |
| 18:22.26 | jelly-home | babilen: it was relevant to his stating he wasn't a completely random person I guess |
| 18:22.33 | Trae32566-NE | anyway, should I go ahead and compile it from source for my kfreebsd-amd64 arch box, since it seems like they don't have it for that architecture pre-packaged |
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| 18:22.44 | Ciku | ok |
| 18:22.52 | Ciku | cant find backport source |
| 18:22.53 | Ciku | :( |
| 18:22.59 | Ciku | i thought i saw jelly-home posted it |
| 18:23.06 | ChibaPet | I wish gmirror tools existed and were usable from the installer for kfreebsd. |
| 18:23.07 | babilen | removes Ciku's enter key |
| 18:23.43 | Trae32566-NE | ChibaPet, aha! so it's not just me. |
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| 18:23.48 | jelly-home | Ciku: which step are you having problems with? |
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| 18:24.04 | Ciku | jelly-home so i added the backport |
| 18:24.15 | Ciku | but apt-get update cant find updates |
| 18:24.19 | jelly-home | Ciku: did you add deb-src ... sid main, yet, and done an update? |
| 18:24.27 | Trae32566-NE | babilen, you are quite the fun guy today :/ |
| 18:24.40 | jelly-home | Ciku: pastebin the output from apt-get, and the command line too |
| 18:24.49 | stew | sounds like he added backports not deb-src |
| 18:26.00 | Ciku | stew i added deb-src |
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| 18:26.50 | Ciku | http://pastebin.com/Qx0vcpTa |
| 18:27.52 | jelly-home | Ciku: that looks halfway reasonable. What does "apt-cache showsrc znc" say after an update? |
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| 18:28.00 | Ciku | then i did apt-get -t wheezy-backports install znc |
| 18:28.24 | Ciku | it says znc is already the newest version. |
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| 18:28.39 | stew | Ciku: try /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:28.42 | jelly-home | Ciku: correct, there is no ready-made backport. |
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| 18:29.39 | Ciku | jelly-home so do i make it myself? |
| 18:30.06 | Ciku | stew yeah thats what i followed |
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| 18:30.34 | stew | Ciku: you did number 3? |
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| 18:30.50 | thechef | jordanm: Thanks, I used equivs to create jockey-common-dummy, until steam decided to check if the real package is really installed. We can work around this by recreating the whole steam package as we do already. |
| 18:31.01 | Ciku | stew yeah i posted |
| 18:31.14 | jelly-home | Ciku: when? |
| 18:31.21 | Ciku | oh |
| 18:31.36 | Ciku | [11:27] <Ciku> then i did apt-get -t wheezy-backports install znc |
| 18:31.47 | Ciku | wait |
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| 18:32.44 | jordanm | thechef, doesn't the deb just contain some kind of installer anyways? |
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| 18:32.53 | OeiOeiVogeltje | ja ja |
| 18:32.59 | jordanm | I recall unpacking the .deb and just executing a shell script to get steam working |
| 18:33.10 | OeiOeiVogeltje | hello people |
| 18:33.10 | Ciku | thing is i cuolnd't find the package name |
| 18:33.27 | jelly-home | Ciku: that doesn't seem to be what step 3) in "/msg dpkg ssb" says, though |
| 18:33.34 | OeiOeiVogeltje | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.56 | Ciku | 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; |
| 18:34.01 | stew | Ciku: the package name is znc |
| 18:34.01 | Ciku | is what it says jelly-home |
| 18:34.03 | stew | i thought |
| 18:34.09 | jordanm | !latest |
| 18:34.10 | dpkg | latest is, like, not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by its version number - that's what it's for. Refer to Debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'wheezy' (7.0), 'jessie' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 18:34.31 | jelly-home | Ciku: indeed. Have you done that part yet? |
| 18:34.50 | OeiOeiVogeltje | im having trouble installing wine and q4wine |
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| 18:35.11 | Ciku | jelly-home gonna try again |
| 18:35.28 | OeiOeiVogeltje | i have menu entries in my menu bar which link to programs that arent there |
| 18:35.49 | stew | OeiOeiVogeltje: you are going to have an easier time getting help if you actually provide real details |
| 18:36.01 | ntnd | hey, would need some help with initscripts. I'm trying to start a ruby(sinatra) webapp after boot so it's always online on my homeserver. Now the skeleton and other templates I've found only handle daemon binaries but for this I would need to change directories into the source dir and then run a command. I've tried but I can't get it to work with the different status codes etc. for example I don't necessarily need to stop it (wouldn't |
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| 18:36.30 | Ciku | jelly-home / stew thanks again |
| 18:36.35 | Ciku | i think it's working! it's alive! |
| 18:36.38 | OeiOeiVogeltje | when i want to remove them with "alacarte" or "Main Menu" i see "starting up main menu" and after a few seconds that is gone |
| 18:36.48 | OeiOeiVogeltje | and nothing happens |
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| 18:37.16 | OeiOeiVogeltje | so the problem is |
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| 18:37.23 | OeiOeiVogeltje | "main menu" doesnt work |
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| 18:38.07 | OeiOeiVogeltje | i have a menu entry for q4wine |
| 18:38.23 | OeiOeiVogeltje | when i go into that and try to launch wincfg |
| 18:38.36 | OeiOeiVogeltje | i get "starting up wincfg" |
| 18:38.43 | OeiOeiVogeltje | and then its gone and nothing happens |
| 18:39.18 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: How did you install wine? |
| 18:39.26 | OeiOeiVogeltje | all through synaptic |
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| 18:40.40 | OeiOeiVogeltje | when i look in synaptic i see wine and q4wine installed |
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| 18:41.22 | OeiOeiVogeltje | but when i type wincfg in terminal "command not found" |
| 18:41.29 | ChibaPet | OeiOeiVogeltje: What do you want to run in Wine, out of curiosity? |
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| 18:41.40 | OeiOeiVogeltje | starcraft 2 and diablo3 |
| 18:41.45 | OeiOeiVogeltje | and total annihilation |
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| 18:41.51 | jordanm | OeiOeiVogeltje, "winecfg" not "wincfg" |
| 18:42.08 | ChibaPet | OeiOeiVogeltje: This will add a whole new level of complexity, but you probably want to think about building your own much-newer Wine for that. |
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| 18:42.31 | Quibus | ChibaPet: wine 1.4 isn't that bad is it? |
| 18:42.34 | OeiOeiVogeltje | p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:42.52 | jordanm | ,file /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so |
| 18:42.53 | OeiOeiVogeltje | winecfg now works ,why doesnt the menu entry work? |
| 18:42.56 | judd | Search for /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so in wheezy/i386: gnome-keyring: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so |
| 18:43.07 | ChibaPet | Quibus: Many, many things have been added to newer Wines. Lots of stuff that used to require heavy use of winetricks works out of the box with newer development versions. |
| 18:43.24 | OeiOeiVogeltje | judd |
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| 18:43.33 | OeiOeiVogeltje | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.43 | OeiOeiVogeltje | please tel me what command to run |
| 18:43.49 | Quibus | ChibaPet: there's wine-unstable in unstable... 1.5.7 |
| 18:44.01 | ChibaPet | Quibus: That's old. I'm running 1.5.31 right now. |
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| 18:44.32 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: You might want to install gnome-keyring -- Can't tell you right now why the menu entry isn't working, but that might just be a bug in the menu ... can you, perchance, right click and edit it? |
| 18:45.08 | Ciku | i guess my dedi sucks |
| 18:45.08 | OeiOeiVogeltje | same thing |
| 18:45.11 | Ciku | talking too long |
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| 18:45.22 | OeiOeiVogeltje | starting main menu |
| 18:45.24 | stew | ovh sucks |
| 18:45.26 | OeiOeiVogeltje | and then its gone |
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| 18:45.32 | tommyinla | OeiOeiVogeltje: are you using 64 bit? |
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| 18:45.40 | OeiOeiVogeltje | yes |
| 18:45.51 | tommyinla | i had the same problem with missing file |
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| 18:45.57 | tommyinla | let me figure out what fixed it |
| 18:46.17 | Quibus | It seems the 32-bit version of gnome-keyring is required.... by the looks of it... but no idea why. |
| 18:46.29 | OeiOeiVogeltje | gnome keyring is installed according to synaptic |
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| 18:46.54 | OeiOeiVogeltje | 3,4,1-5 |
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| 18:47.16 | Ciku | stew i agree my lw box has no issues |
| 18:47.25 | Ciku | but i have to migrate that to debian also |
| 18:47.27 | Quibus | OeiOeiVogeltje: probably the 64-bit package, not the 32-bit |
| 18:47.44 | OeiOeiVogeltje | it doesnt say |
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| 18:47.51 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: So, you cannot edit the menu entry? |
| 18:48.06 | OeiOeiVogeltje | yes |
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| 18:48.08 | OeiOeiVogeltje | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:48.35 | tommyinla | OeiOeiVogeltje: You have to modify a file somewhere but I can't remember what it was |
| 18:48.46 | OeiOeiVogeltje | aha |
| 18:48.46 | tommyinla | OeiOeiVogeltje: but that's the problem - 64 bit |
| 18:48.47 | OeiOeiVogeltje | heh |
| 18:48.55 | Quibus | OeiOeiVogeltje: dpkg -l | grep gnome-keyring will show it |
| 18:49.02 | jelly-home | Ciku: you will need a decent amount of RAM to build c++ code, 1GB+ to build znc I guess |
| 18:49.24 | jelly-home | on amd64 at least |
| 18:49.28 | OeiOeiVogeltje | yes |
| 18:49.29 | OeiOeiVogeltje | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.31 | Quibus | you could run: sudo apt-get install gnome-keyring:i386 |
| 18:49.50 | babilen | really, that is not needed .. pkcs11 is certainly not necessary |
| 18:49.59 | Quibus | babilen: OK |
| 18:50.15 | stew | is i386 enabled as a foreign arch by default? |
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| 18:50.21 | ChibaPet | stew: no |
| 18:50.21 | babilen | I would recommend that we rather spend our time on figuring out what is wrong with that menu entry (the .desktop file) and fix that. |
| 18:50.27 | stew | (didn't think so) |
| 18:50.40 | stew | do we even know what version of debuntu he is running? |
| 18:50.42 | Quibus | stew: don't think so either, but somehow OeiOeiVogeltje did get quite some 386 packages |
| 18:50.49 | Ciku | jelly-home ah |
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| 18:51.24 | Quibus | stew: he's running testing |
| 18:51.33 | babilen | hooray ... *sniff* |
| 18:51.40 | jelly-home | Ciku: don't bother trying on 512MB, build it at home instead (in a debootstrapped chroot if you don't have debian but some other linux) |
| 18:51.50 | jelly-home | (ask me how I know!) |
| 18:51.50 | tommyinla | OeiOeiVogeltje: found it... |
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| 18:51.54 | stew | he is? i missed that part |
| 18:52.21 | OeiOeiVogeltje | quibus did you see my paste? |
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| 18:52.43 | tommyinla | OeiOeiVogeltje: |
| 18:52.43 | tommyinla | unset GNOME_KEYRING_PID |
| 18:52.44 | tommyinla | unset GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL |
| 18:52.44 | Quibus | yes, but apparently you don't want to need pkcs |
| 18:52.51 | tommyinla | add those to your profile |
| 18:52.57 | tommyinla | mine is /etc/profile |
| 18:53.09 | tommyinla | messages will go away |
| 18:53.12 | Quibus | or use ~/.profile |
| 18:53.17 | Ciku | jelly-home i have 2gb ram |
| 18:53.18 | Ciku | :) |
| 18:53.29 | stew | that doesn't seem like it is the right fix |
| 18:53.30 | jelly-home | Ciku: might be enough |
| 18:53.30 | OeiOeiVogeltje | commands please |
| 18:53.37 | babilen | tommyinla: Those messages are completely irrelevant and gnome-keyring is used in other contexts |
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| 18:53.51 | tommyinla | babilen: that fixed my problem |
| 18:53.59 | stew | and caused other problems |
| 18:54.00 | babilen | which problem exactly? |
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| 18:54.19 | tommyinla | the stupid keyring messages |
| 18:54.27 | tommyinla | i don't care about keyring |
| 18:54.38 | stew | is it safe to assume he doesn't either? |
| 18:54.51 | OeiOeiVogeltje | yes |
| 18:54.53 | babilen | tommyinla: As I said: The keyring messages are irrelevant ... There are *better* ways to deal with it, but in this particular case we would have to install a 32bit gnome-keyring which doesn't make sense. |
| 18:55.07 | OeiOeiVogeltje | ehmm |
| 18:55.16 | OeiOeiVogeltje | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.29 | stew | OeiOeiVogeltje: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:55.30 | tommyinla | babilen: i tried that. didnt' work |
| 18:55.31 | OeiOeiVogeltje | and be able to play starcraft 2 and diablo3 |
| 18:55.36 | tommyinla | i spent hours on it |
| 18:55.45 | OeiOeiVogeltje | latest |
| 18:55.46 | stew | tommyinla: is there a bug report about this? |
| 18:55.53 | stew | OeiOeiVogeltje: latest what? |
| 18:55.56 | tommyinla | stew probably |
| 18:56.00 | babilen | tommyinla: If you encounter those messages in *another* context you might want to consider restarting gnome-keyring with all compoments you want enabled. You can, for example, run "gnome-keyring-daemon --components=pkcs11,gpg,secrets,ssh,gpg --replace" but please don't just do this mindlessly. If *you* have a problem with gnome-keyring then describe it and we can work on that. |
| 18:56.04 | OeiOeiVogeltje | jessie |
| 18:56.22 | OeiOeiVogeltje | 3.2.0-4 |
| 18:56.30 | OeiOeiVogeltje | 64bit |
| 18:56.39 | OeiOeiVogeltje | GNOME 3.4.2 |
| 18:57.10 | Quibus | as I said, he's running testing |
| 18:57.29 | thechef | Which version is greater? 1.0-2 or 1.0-1-2? |
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| 18:58.00 | Arrowmaster | thechef: 1.0-2 should be |
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| 18:58.44 | Ciku | will update in a few |
| 18:58.45 | stew | thechef: you can run "dpkg --compare-versions 1.0-2 lt 1.0-1-2" |
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| 18:58.58 | Ciku | gonna eat rq |
| 18:58.58 | stew | thechef: that will return success if 1.0-2 is less than ... |
| 18:59.19 | stew | 1.0-1-2 seems malformed though |
| 18:59.22 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: Okay, just to reconfirm .. Which command did you run earlier that started wine-whatever correctly? |
| 18:59.44 | thechef | stew: I know :-) I've mistakenly used that |
| 18:59.45 | OeiOeiVogeltje | that was when i ran MINT linux |
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| 19:00.15 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: Oh, and btw ... testing is not really supported in here, but we prefer to deal with development branches in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- I also wouldn't necessarily recommend to run it, but that is another story. |
| 19:00.59 | OeiOeiVogeltje | quibus made me do it! |
| 19:01.00 | OeiOeiVogeltje | heh |
| 19:01.46 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: Well, I really wouldn't recommend to run testing if you don't know Debian and Linux well as you *will* run into problems that you cannot deal with. But meh, I don't want to start that discussion as well. |
| 19:01.56 | OeiOeiVogeltje | ok |
| 19:02.21 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: You said earlier "winecfg now works ,why doesnt the menu entry work" -- does that mean that you can run "winecfg" on the command line but that if you click on the menu entry for winecfg it "doesn't work" ? |
| 19:02.36 | OeiOeiVogeltje | yes |
| 19:04.18 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: Okay, so the program you are referring to is "winecfg" -- Would you mind showing me the output of the following commands on http://paste.debian.net : "which -a winecfg" and "cat /usr/share/applications/winecfg.desktop" please? |
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| 19:05.10 | tommyinla | stew: I found a Redhat bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783568 |
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| 19:07.21 | OeiOeiVogeltje | http://paste.debian.net/7399/ |
| 19:08.16 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: What does "ls -l /usr/bin/winecfg" give you? |
| 19:08.44 | OeiOeiVogeltje | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 May 29 20:02 /usr/bin/winecfg -> /etc/alternatives/winecfg |
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| 19:09.32 | Kyshtynbai | Hi guys. How do I install network-manager 0.9.8 in wheezy? I run apt-get -t experimental install network-manager, but it says that the latest version is already installed (though 0.9.4 is now installed) ? |
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| 19:10.02 | sudoman | how long should i wait before upgrading to testing? |
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| 19:10.18 | ompaul | sudoman: if you have to ask, then don't do it :) |
| 19:10.25 | OeiOeiVogeltje | yeah |
| 19:10.26 | OeiOeiVogeltje | heh |
| 19:10.36 | jordanm | ,versions network-manager |
| 19:10.37 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.8.0-5; sid: 0.9.8.0-5 |
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| 19:10.41 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: Okay, and "ls -l /etc/alternatives/winecfg" probably shows a symlink to /usr/bin/winecfg32 ? |
| 19:11.00 | jordanm | Kyshtynbai, that version isn't in experimental |
| 19:11.04 | jordanm | !tell Kyshtynbai about ssb |
| 19:11.09 | sudoman | ompaul: awww.... ;) |
| 19:11.19 | OeiOeiVogeltje | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 29 20:02 /etc/alternatives/winecfg -> /usr/bin/winecfg32 |
| 19:11.25 | Kyshtynbai | Thank you! |
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| 19:11.56 | ompaul | sudoman: the thing is, you are unsure, it needs a little skill and the willingness to put up with a broken system if it does indeed break |
| 19:12.16 | ompaul | sudoman: and if you don't know how to deal with this, which your question indicates you may not know, then I'd say not now |
| 19:12.17 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: Okay, would you mind editing /usr/share/applications/winecfg.desktop and replacing the "Exec=winecfg" with "Exec=winecfg32" in there? |
| 19:12.43 | Quibus | babilen: why wouldn't the symlink work? |
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| 19:13.18 | OeiOeiVogeltje | done |
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| 19:13.52 | OeiOeiVogeltje | same problem |
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| 19:15.45 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: What if you replace it with "Exec=/usr/bin/winecfg32" ? |
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| 19:17.21 | OeiOeiVogeltje | same thing |
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| 19:19.07 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: alright, please revert your changes to that file. |
| 19:19.16 | babilen | What else could it be? |
| 19:19.18 | babilen | wonders |
| 19:19.47 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: and you executed the winecfg entry right now, didn't you? |
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| 19:20.27 | OeiOeiVogeltje | i am clicking the menu entry in q4wine ->defautl->system |
| 19:22.00 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: So, we are working on q4wine not winecfg now? |
| 19:22.22 | OeiOeiVogeltje | huh |
| 19:22.31 | OeiOeiVogeltje | isnt that the same thing? |
| 19:23.03 | babilen | I have no idea -- both ship their own .desktop file and q4wine comes in its own package. I therefore assumed that it is somethig else. |
| 19:23.33 | babilen | I assumed that you click on a "winecfg" entry in your gnome menu (or equivalent) -- is that not the case? |
| 19:23.59 | OeiOeiVogeltje | thats what i did |
| 19:24.15 | OeiOeiVogeltje | there is no winecfg enywhere else in my menu |
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| 19:25.36 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: So, when you say "menu entry in q4wine ->defautl->system" this is not a menu in the q4wine program? |
| 19:25.44 | nmschulte | Can anyone recommend a good PDF editor that's packaged with Debian? I need to add a signature image to a PDF, and possibly modify some text (no line wraps; a single line). |
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| 19:26.03 | babilen | OeiOeiVogeltje: Please note that I am neither using Gnome nor another desktop environment and that I don't use wine. |
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| 19:26.15 | OeiOeiVogeltje | i dont know what you mean |
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| 19:27.45 | mumpitzel | nmschulte: inkscape |
| 19:28.07 | nmschulte | mumpitzel: ooh, yeah! |
| 19:28.08 | sudoman | ompaul: i used testing for many months before wheezy stabilized. so i have some experience with the brokenness. maybe i've just eased into it working so slowly forgot the pain of testing. :) |
| 19:28.52 | nmschulte | I suppose I could always use GIMP as well... In a PDF, are the characters rasterized, or is it actual textual information underlying it? Or perhaps is the textual information sort of "extending" the graphic? |
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| 19:29.55 | anddam | hi, whil installing mysql-server on 7.0 I got https://gist.github.com/anddam/5673076 |
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| 19:30.47 | anddam | I never installed mysql on this system so it's unlikely the first case, how do I retry to set the pw, dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 19:31.00 | rockyiii | hi all |
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| 19:31.54 | mumpitzel | nmschulte: PDF is a vector format. and I did edit PDFs with inkscape before. worked very well for me. |
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| 19:33.40 | rockyiii | debian accepts donations in bitcoin??? |
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| 19:34.06 | anddam | rockyiii: if it doesn't, I will |
| 19:34.28 | nmschulte | mumpitzel: It's doing funky things with the text; breaking in many places, :/ |
| 19:35.08 | mumpitzel | PDFs were never ever meant for editing at all |
| 19:35.18 | nmschulte | Yeah, I see that. |
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| 19:38.22 | rockyiii | anddam: ok |
| 19:38.23 | rockyiii | I want to donate some bitcoins I got tested cgminer |
| 19:38.23 | rockyiii | seeketh another place to donate my bitcoin :/ |
| 19:38.24 | tfs | Hello and good evening to all. Is anyone here into eglibc? I wanted to know if they fixed some locale issues that glibc hasn't fixed yet. |
| 19:39.31 | anddam | "some bitcoins", sounds unlikely |
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| 19:40.04 | mongaj | For setting up pptpd, the "local ip" is the assigned internal address of the server on the network? |
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| 19:46.33 | Su7 | Hi ! |
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| 19:46.42 | generalmajor | hello |
| 19:46.58 | Su7 | Can anyone explain me what is the wheezy-updaes repository ? |
| 19:47.17 | generalmajor | can't tell |
| 19:47.32 | babilen | dpkg: wheezy-updates |
| 19:47.32 | dpkg | wheezy-updates is a suite that will provide updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from wheezy-updates will be included in point releases. http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <wheezy/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
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| 19:48.42 | Su7 | awesome, thanks ! |
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| 19:48.44 | generalmajor | concerning "wiki updates".. |
| 19:48.47 | generalmajor | Miscarriage of justice: § 227 first penalty option, criminal act. Norway <<for in word or action have threatened with a criminal action that may result in higher penalty than 6 months of prison..>> |
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| 19:48.56 | Su7 | and thank you dpkg bot ;-) |
| 19:49.02 | generalmajor | § 135a criminal act. Norway <<Those who intentionally or involuntarly present publicly a discriminating or hateful statement are penalized with fine or prison up to 3 years..>> CHECK OUT @ http://www.chat.no |
| 19:49.28 | Quibus | Does someone remember where in the homedir the manual menu additions are stored? Not ~/.menu apparently |
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| 19:49.59 | well_laid_lawn | try in ~/.config |
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| 19:51.10 | rryoumaa | what is this stuff? |
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| 19:51.43 | r31n3r | why is a specific new package installed when I dist-upgrade? |
| 19:51.43 | r31n3r | libavcodec-extra-53 wanted to get installed during a dist-upgrade last night... running sid |
| 19:51.43 | r31n3r | it would break vlc, audacity, blender, and a bunch of other applications |
| 19:51.43 | r31n3r | I waited a few hours, updated, and tried the dist-upgrade again |
| 19:51.43 | r31n3r | not libavcodec-extra-53 doesn't want to get installed during the dist-upgrade |
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| 19:54.58 | Quibus | well_laid_lawn: thanks |
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| 19:57.28 | r31n3r | ok, let me simplify my question... when does a new package get selected to be installed during a dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:58.06 | dondelelcaro | r31n3r: if there's a new version of the package, it's installed. |
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| 19:58.25 | mumpitzel | or if one of those newer versions needs a dependency |
| 19:58.45 | dondelelcaro | r31n3r: if you want to know why a specific package got installed, you can look at aptitude why foopkg; or similar |
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| 19:59.00 | dondelelcaro | r31n3r: in this case, though, I'm going to guess that you're using debian multimedia or similar |
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| 19:59.10 | r31n3r | dondelelcaro: but I don't want to install it and break half my multimedia applications.. how can I know this upfront? |
| 19:59.26 | mumpitzel | you can't. all you can do is not using the 3rd party repository |
| 20:00.01 | dondelelcaro | r31n3r: it tells you when it tries to calculate a closure. You can abort, or use the frontend to only upgrade some things |
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| 20:00.29 | dondelelcaro | r31n3r: aptitude (and apt-get) will eventually present you with a solution which will involve keeping the versions of those packages you have currently installed |
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| 20:00.36 | r31n3r | mumpitzel: so before performing a dist-upgrade I can't know why a new package will be installed? |
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| 20:00.54 | mumpitzel | yes. as dondelelcaro just wrote: it will tell you which are newly installed, upgraded or removed |
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| 20:02.34 | r31n3r | but it won't tell the reason, or will it? |
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| 20:02.59 | dondelelcaro | r31n3r: aptitude why will tell you; it's pretty obvious from the dependencies, though. |
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| 20:03.05 | r31n3r | if I want to know why the new package X which I don't have installed will be installed |
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| 20:03.21 | r31n3r | dondelelcaro: but will aptitude why tell me this before I perform the upgrade? |
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| 20:05.31 | r31n3r | ? |
| 20:06.09 | r31n3r | is there no way to know? |
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| 20:06.28 | Dagger2 | r31n3r: it will list the new packages, but I don't think it lists which dependency is causing the new package to be installed |
| 20:07.24 | Dagger2 | there's `apt-cache rdepends` maybe, or just plain `apt-get install <package>` (i.e. go through the packages that are held back by a `apt-get upgrade` and try to install them manually one-by-one) |
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| 20:11.39 | r31n3r | thank you |
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| 20:16.38 | purkinje | I have a question about the debian repository sources in sources.list. What's the difference between wheezy-updates and wheezy? I installed Debian 7, but it only had wheezy-updates in the sources.list file. |
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| 20:17.41 | zykotick9 | purkinje: did you install without an internet connection? you probably do want to add a "wheezy main" to install the regular packages |
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| 20:19.55 | purkinje | zykotick9: yes, I did install without an internet connection. I changed wheezy-updates to wheezy, but main was already there. |
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| 20:20.32 | zykotick9 | purkinje: you want both repos! you need to add a new line. fyi, this is normal behaviour if install didn't have an online repo. |
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| 20:20.54 | r31n3r | all in all, I think I did find a bug in apt |
| 20:21.02 | r31n3r | but I must go now, will talk about it later |
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| 20:22.21 | purkinje | zykotick9: oh! can I keep it all on one line like so? "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy wheezy-updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 20:22.32 | zykotick9 | purkinje: 2 lines |
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| 20:23.31 | zykotick9 | purkinje: you might want to try http.debian.net or cdn.debian.net rather then the main repo... but that's certainly up to you. |
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| 20:24.28 | Quibus | good night |
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| 20:24.42 | zykotick9 | purkinje: see "/msg dpkg http.debian.net" for details (i personally use cdn because it's offered during install, but most people would probably suggest using http.d.n) |
| 20:25.07 | purkinje | zykotick9: where can i read the documentation on all of the different repos? |
| 20:25.28 | cato | hi, i want to install a debian testing. what is he easiest way to bootstrap this? |
| 20:25.32 | tfs | I wish there was a bit-torrent like install. |
| 20:25.37 | zykotick9 | purkinje: once you start a pm with dpkg just try asking about each of them ;) |
| 20:25.39 | mongaj | Are DNS servers needed for pptpd? |
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| 20:26.52 | zykotick9 | tfs: there is/was an apt-torrent of some sort, but i don't think it's actively maintained (but not sure). i run an apt-cacher-ng server on my home network, so it feels UBER fast |
| 20:27.40 | no_gravity | Hello! Whats the best way to restart a demon these days - with "service xyz restart" or with "/etc/init.d/xyz restart"? |
| 20:28.01 | r31n3r | I use invoke-rc.d <daemon> restart |
| 20:28.14 | purkinje | zykotick9: how long does it usually take to get a response from dpkg? |
| 20:28.24 | zykotick9 | purkinje: <1 second ;) |
| 20:28.50 | no_gravity | r31n3r: never heard about that one |
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| 20:29.36 | zykotick9 | no_gravity: currently, i don't think there is MUCH difference between using service or init.d methods (but that "might" change soon) |
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| 20:30.38 | purkinje | zykotick9: didn't notice the tab. anyway, in my situation, and using http.debian.net, would I still have two lines, one for wheezy and the other for wheezy-updates? If so, should I include "main contrib non-free" on the wheezy-updates line? |
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| 20:31.32 | zykotick9 | purkinje: the main contrib non-free can all go on one line, but each repo is a separate line - contrib non-free makes baby zykotick9 :(.. |
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| 20:32.27 | no_gravity | zykotick9: ok |
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| 20:33.12 | purkinje | zykotick9: I'm new to manually configuring which repos to use. Should I not be using contrib and non-free in the same repo? |
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| 20:34.19 | squisher | purkinje, zykotick9 was refering to them being "less free" I believe -- you can use them in the same repo just fine |
| 20:34.28 | zykotick9 | purkinje: perhaps that wasn't clear - sorry. you want main contrib and non-free on BOTH lines, one on the main-repo line, as well as one on the updates line. |
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| 20:35.27 | purkinje | updating now |
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| 20:35.50 | zykotick9 | purkinje: yes, squisher is correct. i just don't like contrib/non-free ;) just i'm glad debian offers them (i do have one install with contrib and non-free) |
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| 20:36.24 | purkinje | zykotic9: ah, i see. thanks for clearing that up. |
| 20:36.41 | zykotick9 | s/just i'm/but i'm/ |
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| 20:38.44 | purkinje | So now that wheezy is out, is it considered "stable"? |
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| 20:39.33 | Trae32566-NE | purkinje, yes |
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| 20:40.04 | Trae32566-NE | technically, anyway. I would consider it pretty stable. Never had any issues before I moved to jessie |
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| 20:40.35 | zykotick9 | purkinje: be aware, in debian terminology, stable means non-changing (so packages aren't "really" updated anymore, they stay the same version and get secuirty "updates" only, not version updates) |
| 20:41.34 | moof2 | and so no new features |
| 20:42.57 | moof2 | can you put a label on an lv? |
| 20:43.12 | purkinje | so if i wanted to get updates, would I replace the wheezy and wheezy-updates repos with testing/experimental? |
| 20:43.28 | joj | A question on fglrx-glx in unstable: for ~a week now fglrx-glx=1:13.1-2 has been behind the other fglrx-* packages (all =1:13.4-2), and it contains essentially no parts of the driver itself. On dist-upgrade, it would be removed. Does anybody here know whether the package is going to be deprecated? |
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| 20:43.35 | zykotick9 | purkinje: don't mix repos! see "/msg dpkg frankendebian" for details. |
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| 20:43.48 | Trae32566-NE | purkinje, testing yes. Experimental, heck no |
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| 20:44.10 | Trae32566-NE | zykotick9, I thought wheezy -> testing was alright |
| 20:44.16 | superlinux-hp | how can i make flashplayer detect a second webcam? |
| 20:44.24 | purkinje | no, no, i'm not going to. i was just curious about the concept. |
| 20:44.35 | Trae32566-NE | well, experimental isn't really a full repo |
| 20:44.58 | Trae32566-NE | it's a repo, but it's just stuff that is currently being experimented with, and it typically relies on things in sid |
| 20:45.12 | zykotick9 | Trae32566-NE: lots of people do mix repos - but i think it's a bad idea, especially at a binary level. for new packages i'd look into "/msg dpkg ssb" if i where you. purkinje this might interest you too. |
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| 20:46.23 | moof2 | Trae32566-NE, whether and how well wheezy->jessie works can vary (at the least because jessie can vary) |
| 20:46.24 | Trae32566-NE | surely though there are special situations |
| 20:46.28 | purkinje | are the dpkg pm responses available in the wiki (or somewhere else)? |
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| 20:47.17 | Trae32566-NE | I only had one breakage wheezy -> testing (that I found), but I did the upgrade on a machine with few packages |
| 20:47.17 | zykotick9 | Trae32566-NE: personally, my few, if you want to run binaries from testing, then run testing. it's the combining the two i find silly. |
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| 20:47.25 | Trae32566-NE | well yeah |
| 20:47.38 | Trae32566-NE | what we both meant was switching to one or the other completely |
| 20:48.14 | zykotick9 | oh ya, transitioning from stable->testing makes sense to me, if you want to run testing ;) |
| 20:48.37 | moof2 | what special situations did you want, or did you imagine? |
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| 20:50.10 | moof2 | it's not silly per se, |
| 20:51.00 | zykotick9 | moof2: i'd say <frankendebian> is pretty clear. perhaps "silly" isn't harsh enough ;) |
| 20:51.41 | jhutchins_wk | Once you start running testing binaries, the system is no longer stable, so why not go ahead and run testing? |
| 20:52.06 | jhutchins_wk | You can dual-boot so that when testing breaks you can still file bugreports. |
| 20:52.25 | moof2 | the most low-level thing that happens is binary executable <-> library incompatibilities |
| 20:52.26 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: that was a better expression of the point i was trying to make. |
| 20:52.26 | Trae32566-NE | moof, that's what we were talking about |
| 20:52.33 | purkinje | what do you mean by run testing? does that just mean you switched your sources to the testing repo, or are you doing a fresh install of a "testing" version of debian? |
| 20:52.51 | Trae32566-NE | neither purkinje, nor me meant just taking packages from one |
| 20:53.00 | Trae32566-NE | we meant switching wholly over to testing |
| 20:53.06 | Trae32566-NE | purkinje |
| 20:53.26 | jhutchins_wk | purkinje: The installer is typically one of the last components of a release to be completed (since it has to include all the new features), so recommended procedure to run testing is to install stable then "upgrade". |
| 20:53.29 | moof2 | the thing is sometimes it works fine, but that's not predictable or supported |
| 20:54.08 | Trae32566-NE | it means s/wheezy/testing |
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| 20:54.25 | Trae32566-NE | replace wheezy with testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:54.42 | Trae32566-NE | I've never had issues with the testing installer |
| 20:54.57 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: That means nothing. |
| 20:55.14 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: Right now "the testing installer" is the wheezy installer. |
| 20:55.21 | purkinje | Trae32566-NE: ah, ok. that's what I was trying to say by "switched your sources to the testing repo." sorry if that was unclear. |
| 20:55.33 | moof2 | if you're going to install stable and upgrade, you might as well only install stable base, then there's less to upgrade and better chance of success |
| 20:55.34 | zykotick9 | Trae32566-NE: personally, i think using "testing" in sources is bad practise. using codenames is a better option (prevents unexpected issues when testing becomes stable). |
| 20:55.53 | jhutchins_wk | Perhaps it would be useful to discuss the specific wheezy and jessie repos rather than wheezy vs. testing? |
| 20:56.34 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, that way you are talking about a specific release or release candidate rather than the general structure. |
| 20:56.42 | Trae32566-NE | zykotick9, it was recommended to several by someone in here awhile ago |
| 20:56.44 | Trae32566-NE | including myself |
| 20:56.51 | moof2 | it works for this conversation today, as it's very unlikely for jessie to be released stable today |
| 20:56.54 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: What was? |
| 20:56.57 | superlinux-hp | again.. how can i make flashplayer detect a second webcam? |
| 20:57.16 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: Does anything else detect it? |
| 20:57.24 | Trae32566-NE | jhutchins_wk, using testing instead of a name |
| 20:57.31 | Trae32566-NE | well, instead of a specific release name |
| 20:57.47 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: That's wrong. |
| 20:57.54 | moof2 | and, using "jessie" or "wheezy" in your sources.list prevents potentially nasty surprises when upgrading after a release |
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| 20:58.08 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: Best practice is to always use the release name in the sources.list. |
| 20:58.48 | Trae32566-NE | what kind of issues can arise? What if the box it's on is meant to stay on testing, and not eventually become stable |
| 20:59.05 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, it detects the built-in camera which is a camera that's not free. i have another stronger one which I move it on a tripod. so i want the tripod camera and the tripod is not showing in the settings |
| 20:59.06 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: Much more useful in long-term systems as well. I had one that had sarge, etch, testing, unstable, lenny/sid.... |
| 20:59.41 | spacepluk | jhutchins_wk: I'm also using testing insted of the release name and it's working fine so far |
| 21:00.01 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: Since "testing" isn't anything like a continually updated release, but a pre-release test repository, that doesn't work. |
| 21:00.27 | moof2 | the main issue that arises when (specific example) you're running wheezy and have "stable" and you upgrade at a time (then unknown to you) jessie was released, package installs then look at jessie's repo |
| 21:00.30 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: Which is not to say somebody has done it without breaking their system, just that you can't recommend that as a way to run a usable installation. |
| 21:00.52 | zykotick9 | spacepluk: you "can" do it, but just because you can do something - doesn't mean you should ;) |
| 21:00.57 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, yes ! gucview can see the tripod |
| 21:01.19 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: Dunno then. We don't get to see inside flash. |
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| 21:01.30 | spacepluk | zykotick9: hehehe, I see... well you can always change to the name if you see problems coming with aptitude |
| 21:01.31 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: I think I'd try disconnecting/disabling the other camera. |
| 21:01.34 | Trae32566-NE | so basically the takeaway is this: you can run testing, just don't recommend it to others looking for something stable, and don't expect an easy time |
| 21:01.35 | moof2 | if you upgrade something close to the core (and close to the root of the dependency tree), you could end up with a mixture you didn't intend and one that causes breakages |
| 21:01.56 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: Are you tryuing some flash-powered conferencing? |
| 21:02.01 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, the detected camera is the built in camera |
| 21:02.07 | moof2 | specific example, say you upgrade some package that depends on the jessie version of libc |
| 21:02.27 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: Also please don't recommend using staging names instead of release names. |
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| 21:02.38 | moof2 | that can cause major breakages, way way too numerous to include in this example |
| 21:02.43 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: So disable. |
| 21:02.52 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, i am now on a social network website, and it uses webcam |
| 21:03.03 | zykotick9 | notes, when jessie broke "less" i was clearly reminded why i stick to "stable" |
| 21:03.18 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 21:03.54 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: One would think you actually use your computer for productive work. |
| 21:04.11 | Trae32566-NE | I guess my question is, how does it get more broken by using 'testing' instead of, say, 'jessie'...unless I'm misunderstanding what testing is |
| 21:04.15 | duskye | Hello, can uh, anyone help me? I asked a question here yesterday about wine not appearing to be installed even though I installed it, and the person who responded to me had to leave when I asked. |
| 21:04.17 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: i use it for my "desktop" and expect it to work everyday ;) |
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| 21:04.56 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: In the long term it's much better to have those names there, and yeah, you misunderstand a little bit. |
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| 21:05.01 | moof2 | duskye, could you repeat the question |
| 21:05.10 | zykotick9 | Trae32566-NE: at some point, jess will no longer be "testing" and will be "stable", when that happens if you have "testing" in sources, you'll get updated to the new testing (without warning) |
| 21:05.27 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: Testing, at this point, is not intended as a release. It's a framework for developing the next release. |
| 21:05.46 | moof2 | (duskye, and as always, answer to "can someone help" is maybe) |
| 21:05.47 | Trae32566-NE | what zykotick9 is saying is what I would expect (and want) it to do |
| 21:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | duskye: Tell us which release, what you did, what you expected, and what happened instead. |
| 21:06.14 | duskye | moof2: I'm trying to install wine on debian 7 wheezy, I sudo apt-get'ed wine and tried running a program, but it's like wine is broken, I've even tried reinstalling it. |
| 21:06.24 | zykotick9 | Trae32566-NE: my view, testing and unstable or for debian developers only (others certainly have a different view! and i was running testing since december) |
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| 21:06.39 | duskye | I even tried running a program via terminal and it just sits there. |
| 21:06.44 | Trae32566-NE | jhutchins_wk, can you elaborate a bit please? |
| 21:06.54 | moof2 | hmm. any program? |
| 21:06.55 | Trae32566-NE | (sorry...just trying to understand this) |
| 21:07.14 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: It's good to get testing out among as many users as possible, especially toward the end of development, but it's not good for them to rely on it as their main OS. |
| 21:07.32 | joj | duskye: you have installed wine:i386 and not just wine:amd64? Regular wine is 32 bits. |
| 21:07.46 | zykotick9 | Trae32566-NE: it would be "better" if you had "jessie" and the day you wanted to upgrade, you changed your sources and "apt-get dist-upgrade" (probably). then you know what happens specifically. |
| 21:08.07 | deception | debootstrap-ing from an alternate repo should be possible, correct? (ex: http://http.kali.org/dists/kali/main/ ) |
| 21:08.39 | Trae32566-NE | zykotick9, there's a reason I chose it though. I'm currently a developer (as my day job), and it's on a box which is strictly for my personal use as box to play around with |
| 21:08.40 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: It starts out as a copy of stable. New packages are uploaded to sid/unstable, then migrate into testing. Unstable is for testing packages, testing is for testing their integration into the rest of the system. (That's not 100% true, but close.) |
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| 21:08.47 | duskye | joj: yes. |
| 21:08.55 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: i certainly agree, BUT i think the "real" debian is stable, and too many new users use testing/unstable for the new packages and miss out the best part of the debian experience. |
| 21:09.39 | moof2 | if you do such a debootstrap, you end up with the base install of whatever it is |
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| 21:09.55 | jhutchins_wk | Trae32566-NE: Developers are alowed to break testing, and are not expected to provide an immediate fix. |
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| 21:10.04 | duskye | I think the my problem with wine is that not all of the things are there. |
| 21:10.09 | duskye | Because I can't even configure wine |
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| 21:10.14 | duskye | it saids winecfg doesnt' exist. |
| 21:10.22 | deception | moof2, I've tried it before and the ec2 instance wouldn't boot, I'll try a local base install and see if that works |
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| 21:11.10 | zykotick9 | duskye: are you on 64bit? did you enable multiarch yet? installing the wine64 (or similar named) package actually is just a manual on how to enable multiarch. |
| 21:11.34 | joj | duskye: Would you mind pasting the output of dpkg --get-selections | grep wine on paste.debian.net - to see whether something's missing? |
| 21:11.37 | jhutchins_wk | duskye: dpkg -l "wine*" - is wineutils installed? |
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| 21:11.52 | ChibaPet | wine64 actually exists and is useful on its own, FWIW |
| 21:11.53 | jhutchins_wk | Or that. |
| 21:11.56 | moof2 | deception, one issue I see is what if the dpkg in the host os is not the same as the one intended to unpack/configure packages in the target, AND incompatibilities have some effect |
| 21:12.12 | zykotick9 | ChibaPet: useful as instructions ;) |
| 21:12.41 | ChibaPet | No. In fact, I only have the 64-bit version installed on my box right now, and not the 32-bit version at all. I'm using it right this moment. |
| 21:12.49 | Trae32566-NE | dang, sorta wish I was a debian developer. They give you stuff you're allowed to break :O |
| 21:13.02 | joj | duskye: don't mind me jhutchins_wk's ways are more handy |
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| 21:13.44 | zykotick9 | ChibaPet: ahhh. you aren't using debian's repos i don't think. is there really a wine 64bit? i thought that was historyically just wine32 + 32libraries? |
| 21:14.22 | duskye | Hmm, odd. I thought wine was just the program lol, for some reason at first no manual popped up zykotick9 |
| 21:14.30 | jhutchins_wk | (Again it becomes useful to cite specific releases this close to a new release.) |
| 21:14.33 | duskye | It just did now |
| 21:14.36 | ChibaPet | zykotick9: I could be wrong, but I thought you could actually get wine64 from the Debian repo. But, yeah, hand-built 1.5.31 64-bit, running a Windows app that's 64 bits. |
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| 21:15.21 | duskye | Ah, I think I got it working now. |
| 21:15.35 | duskye | I think I may have mistyped when I enabled multiarch |
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| 21:15.49 | worstadmin | If I have a repo: like deb http://repo.zabbixzone.com/debian squeeze main , how do I refer to it in /etc/apt/preferences to pin it? |
| 21:15.49 | duskye | It's installing wine now. |
| 21:15.52 | Trae32566-NE | jhutchins_wk, what are your thoughts on debian-kfreebsd |
| 21:15.55 | zykotick9 | i just installed "wine64-bin" then ran "wine" and it gives me the muliarch instructions. |
| 21:16.01 | deception | moof2, yeah it looks like wheezy uses 1.16.10 and kali has 1.16.9 |
| 21:16.26 | duskye | zykotick9: I thought it was just wine itself because at first the manual didn't pop up. |
| 21:16.39 | moof2 | that doesn't sound too incompatible |
| 21:16.41 | duskye | The terminal just froze and sat there. |
| 21:16.53 | wald0 | in what consists the release of 7.1 ? is the first time that I notice this kind of stable-release |
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| 21:17.50 | moof2 | review the diff between the .9 in debian and the .9 in kali... if that's empty I don't expect issues... what did you want to do? |
| 21:18.01 | jhutchins_wk | !tell worstadmin about pinning |
| 21:18.07 | ChibaPet | zykotick9: Wow, yeah. I was wrong. I assumed the Wine package would have the instructions *and* the actual 64-bit version. Maybe the 64-bit version wasn't part of the Wine 1.4 release or something. Looking. |
| 21:18.12 | deception | I'm attempting to build a kali linux ami for ec2 |
| 21:18.14 | worstadmin | I know about pinning - I dont know how to refer to the repo to pin it |
| 21:18.30 | nmschulte | mumpitzel: I'm actually editing the low level PDF code... :) It's fairly straight-forward, actually. It sucks that the stuff is encoded with Flate (DEFLATE), but that's no big deal really. |
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| 21:19.01 | moof2 | what's ec2? |
| 21:19.05 | jhutchins_wk | worstadmin: I think the part of that factoid likely to be useful to you is the wiki. |
| 21:19.09 | deception | Amazon's cloud |
| 21:19.16 | ChibaPet | zykotick9: Hm, unclear without doing more of a grovel through the source than I have time to do now. Anyway: http://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64 |
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| 21:19.31 | moof2 | so the kali thing would run in the cloud? |
| 21:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | worstadmin: I think it has to do with how the repo identifies itself internally. |
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| 21:19.58 | deception | Yes, on their xen hypervisor |
| 21:19.59 | worstadmin | jhutchins_wk: apt-cache show package doesnt seem to tell me that either |
| 21:20.00 | zykotick9 | ChibaPet: thanks, i didn't know a 64bit wine even existed (not that i really care, but still good to know) |
| 21:20.05 | worstadmin | So Im clearly missing something obvious |
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| 21:20.54 | jhutchins_wk | worstadmin: Third-party repos don't always play by the rules. |
| 21:21.06 | ChibaPet | zykotick9: Check your apps with which you want to use it. Blizzard games tend to come with 64-bit versions now, that support OpenGL directly. |
| 21:21.26 | worstadmin | Then I guess.. its time to make them play by the rules...isnt it.. *clasps fingers* ... mwah..mwahaha....mwahahahaha |
| 21:21.42 | worstadmin | Seriously though I need help |
| 21:21.55 | zykotick9 | ChibaPet: i really don't use wine at all (right now). and i certainly don't have any 64bit MS apps i need/want to run. but thanks still! |
| 21:22.25 | ChibaPet | zykotick9: File the information away in case you decide to become addicted to World of Warcraft. Debian is an excellent platform for it. |
| 21:22.44 | ChibaPet | Argh, being spirited away. |
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| 21:23.40 | zykotick9 | that did make me LOL literally - while i "used" to be a "gamer", i've always hated RPGs. i'm a driving and fps player only, rts never held my attention either. |
| 21:24.34 | worstadmin | jhutchins_wk: So the problem is pinning is done via os/release as far as the repo - which results in the problem like this: |
| 21:24.38 | worstadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.40 | worstadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.43 | worstadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:24.45 | worstadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.46 | worstadmin | They have the same os/release |
| 21:24.57 | worstadmin | There must be a way to specify a pinned repo in a more granular fashion |
| 21:26.10 | worstadmin | Ill use the releasefile info from the repo |
| 21:26.11 | zykotick9 | worstadmin: if you use 3rd party repos, with conflicting packages to main... expect issues (whatever you do)... |
| 21:26.13 | Trae32566-NE | zykotick9, weird, that's exactly the same as me |
| 21:26.15 | worstadmin | and report back |
| 21:26.29 | Trae32566-NE | I can't stand RPG, but I love FPS and racing |
| 21:26.38 | Trae32566-NE | and any combination of the two |
| 21:26.45 | Trae32566-NE | ah, shit, offtopic. sorry. |
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| 21:28.27 | jhutchins_wk | worstadmin: Debian, yes, please do report back, but remember that Debian's package management is not set up to accomodate third-party repos. |
| 21:28.49 | jhutchins_wk | worstadmin: You might want to take a look at how it's done for backports and dmm. |
| 21:29.17 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: i wouldn't point to dmm as an example of "what to do" ;) |
| 21:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1381] by debhelper |
| 21:30.03 | worstadmin | Package: zabbix-agent |
| 21:30.03 | worstadmin | Pin: origin "repo.zabbixzone.com" |
| 21:30.04 | worstadmin | Pin-Priority: 900 |
| 21:30.07 | worstadmin | That did it |
| 21:30.15 | worstadmin | Can I specify package: zabbix* ? |
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| 21:31.34 | moof2 | does dmm do something differently? |
| 21:32.05 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: You won't hear me bad mouth the person who single-handedly made Debian a viable desktop choice for years. |
| 21:32.39 | zykotick9 | moof2: there is something "odd" on how dmm manages there packages (but i'm not familiar with the details). i know it prevents others from using 'insert whatever it is' feature... |
| 21:32.45 | stew | that was done single-handedly? |
| 21:32.56 | jelly-home | stew: does it matter? |
| 21:33.02 | stew | i dunno |
| 21:33.21 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: There's argument about his versioning and how that interacts with official packages when upgrading. |
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| 21:34.17 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: oh, i used deb-multimedia (for mythtv) for a long time, but it's not "debian". and there is something weird with there package structure, that sometimes interfers with debian-main. i do have dmm on my non-free install (for mame and advmenu). |
| 21:35.15 | jhutchins_wk | I'm a bit touchy about the lack of respect that's been shown in the whole thing, but it's a packager tiff more than a real problem. |
| 21:35.26 | jhutchins_wk | Unless, that is, they manage to kill the project. |
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| 21:36.06 | jhutchins_wk | If you use DMM I recommend you mirror it. |
| 21:36.31 | moof2 | would that be a lot of disk space to commit? |
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| 21:38.02 | renatocan | NickServ identify knsknf |
| 21:38.08 | renatocan | hi |
| 21:38.13 | moof2 | hawlo! |
| 21:38.14 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: Eh, storage is cheap these days, you could probably push it off to DVD. |
| 21:38.26 | jhutchins_wk | renatocan: You may want to change your password. |
| 21:38.32 | moof2 | now you should change your nickserv passwd... quickly... |
| 21:38.38 | renatocan | why ? |
| 21:38.44 | Trae32566-NE | because everyone saw it |
| 21:38.46 | renatocan | ok |
| 21:38.52 | jhutchins_wk | renatocan: Because you appear to have posted it to the channel. |
| 21:38.53 | moof2 | you just broadcast it to everyone here |
| 21:39.05 | Trae32566-NE | also, choose something with letters, numbers, and symbols this time :/ |
| 21:39.39 | jhutchins_wk | There was an interesting post today about somebody cracking a password database and how futile that stuff is. |
| 21:39.56 | phaethon1 | hunter2 |
| 21:40.01 | moof2 | jhutchins_wk, what is it about mirroring that causes you to recommend it for dmm? |
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| 21:40.34 | zykotick9 | thinks "passwords" are past there prime, think "passsentences" for security |
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| 21:42.35 | Guest59177 | hi there!how is it possible to start up a program during boot?without init.d?we are stuck |
| 21:42.52 | renatocan | I'll try to avoid broadcasting my passwords from now on :-P |
| 21:43.03 | moof2 | Guest59177, /etc/rc.local? |
| 21:43.05 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: Well, I wish I had a copy of his Lenny mirror, so I could reinstall his Mediatomb and dependencies on a server I can't upgrade yet. |
| 21:43.38 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: He does eventually take them down, and with all the harassment he might just quit the project. |
| 21:43.46 | moof2 | so you really mean archive? |
| 21:43.46 | renatocan | I've just installed Debian Wheezy and noticed the power button is configured to suspend the computer by default |
| 21:43.48 | Guest59177 | I'd like to start linuxdcpp,teamviewer and transmission |
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| 21:43.59 | Guest59177 | use icewm |
| 21:44.01 | renatocan | how can I change this config to make it shutdown the computer ? |
| 21:44.04 | jhutchins_wk | renatocan: THat's probably BIOS-level. |
| 21:44.06 | elkingrey | I just installed gufw last night. I think I'm slowly starting to wrap my head around firewalls. Right now I have it set up to deny all incoming traffic and allow all outgoing traffic. I'm not running a server, but if I ever want to set up port forwarding, say, for a p2p program then I will need to allow an exception in the incoming rules. However, I'm unsure what the point is for anybody to deny outgoing and set up exceptions for outgoing. What is the |
| 21:44.06 | elkingrey | security risk in outgoing? |
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| 21:44.57 | jhutchins_wk | elkingrey: That malware on your system might start sending data. |
| 21:45.10 | Guest59177 | it would be a home server,is it possible to boot this services without the need to login? |
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| 21:45.23 | jhutchins_wk | elkingrey: It's not really possible to protect the device a firewall is on with that firewall. |
| 21:45.35 | renatocan | jhutchins_wk: really ? I was using debian squeezy and the power button worked. I thought it could be some config related to energy |
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| 21:46.11 | jhutchins_wk | renatocan: It could be something in the apci libs. |
| 21:46.16 | moof2 | Guest59177, for that you will probably want a /etc/init.d script |
| 21:46.39 | Guest59177 | i did,tryed howtos,but they wont work |
| 21:46.52 | moof2 | one for each thing you want to start at boot and stop at shutdown |
| 21:47.09 | moof2 | won't work? need more data :) |
| 21:47.32 | brokencycle | Hi! |
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| 21:47.49 | somiaj | Guest59177: do those applications (I do not reconize them) require X to be running, or are they services/servers that run in the background? |
| 21:47.54 | Guest59177 | i made a shell script and put to init.d |
| 21:48.04 | brokencycle | I have trouble pinning a version of some packages (wildcard) in squeeze. |
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| 21:48.05 | Guest59177 | chmod 775 start_script |
| 21:48.16 | elkingrey | jhutchins_wk: Wait, you're saying gufw is not a good firewall? Why? |
| 21:48.25 | brokencycle | It automagically works nicely in Wheezy. |
| 21:48.36 | somiaj | Guest59177: init.d scripts need to have certiain things in them, have you read the /etc/init.d/README and looked at /etc/init.d/skeleton? |
| 21:48.51 | moof2 | the shell script shoulo accept one parameter, which can be start, stop, restart, reload and some other possibilities |
| 21:48.54 | somiaj | Guest59177: /etc/rc.local may be simpler for you if you don't want to write a decent init.d script |
| 21:48.55 | Guest59177 | require x |
| 21:49.16 | somiaj | Guest59177: There are ways (with a display manager) to do an automatic login |
| 21:49.39 | somiaj | Guest59177: then you just need to configure the wm (or your .xsession) to launch the applications when you loginto X. |
| 21:49.41 | prompt32 | renatocan, try Systemtools>Preferences>SystemSettings |
| 21:49.51 | Guest59177 | thank you |
| 21:49.52 | somiaj | Guest59177: that is the only way I can think of to have an X application automatically ran at boot |
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| 21:50.13 | prompt32 | renatocan, try Systemtools>Preferences>SystemSettings |
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| 21:50.27 | oo_miguel | Is there some easy way to setup my xorg.conf, when I am to lazy to read the documentation? |
| 21:50.43 | moof2 | try not having one |
| 21:50.46 | oo_miguel | In particular I want to use the nouveau driver |
| 21:50.54 | moof2 | let it try to autodetect everything |
| 21:51.06 | somiaj | Guest59177: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1462 -- if you use gdm3 that may help you |
| 21:51.07 | oo_miguel | moof2: not having one results in a veery very very slow xwindow system. is that possible? |
| 21:51.15 | oo_miguel | like it takes one minute to render one frame? |
| 21:51.22 | Guest59177 | use xdm |
| 21:51.35 | oo_miguel | 0.00001fps :P |
| 21:51.36 | moof2 | then you may have to read the docs |
| 21:52.35 | oo_miguel | so its possible that the eeeeextreemely slow xwindow system is the result of the missing xorg.conf. (misconfiguration) |
| 21:52.40 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 21:52.46 | renatocan | prompt32: sorry but where do I find this "Systemtools" ? |
| 21:52.56 | moof2 | misdetection? |
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| 21:53.14 | somiaj | Guest59177: I don't think xdm has that ability |
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| 21:53.37 | moof2 | I guess anything is possible, it's hard here and now to verify that without more info |
| 21:53.59 | oo_miguel | moof2: I admit, that I have absolutely no idea how X works. Until yesterday nvidia-settings, and the nvidia driver did all the stuff for me. but with the new kernel I want to get rid of that |
| 21:54.26 | somiaj | Guest59177: maybe switch your display manager to something like lightdm, it has an automatic login feature |
| 21:54.33 | moof2 | what happened yesterday? |
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| 21:54.45 | Guest59177 | thank you |
| 21:55.05 | oo_miguel | moof2: I compiled a new kernel and do not have the nvidia drivers anymore |
| 21:55.16 | somiaj | Guest59177: lightdm is only availaibe in wheezy and newer, so if you run squeeze you may have to pick another dm |
| 21:55.20 | oo_miguel | I also find it annoying and unethical to use them ;) |
| 21:55.29 | somiaj | Guest59177: again just use google and search for 'automatic login lightdm' or what not |
| 21:55.30 | oo_miguel | weight the reasons as you want |
| 21:56.14 | oo_miguel | after that x didn't fire up at all with: no screens found (or something similar) |
| 21:56.20 | moof2 | is the new kernel add something necessary to run something? does the old kernel work for all your hardware? |
| 21:56.30 | oo_miguel | so I deleted xorg.conf, ending up with an exteremley slow 0..00000001 fps x window system |
| 21:56.54 | moof2 | did you back it up? |
| 21:57.04 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: Very unlikely that a missing xorg.conf causes extreme slowness, it's normal these days. |
| 21:57.10 | oo_miguel | moof2: worked for all my hardware , the new one is just for fun, educaitional purpose, and my aim to write some stupid kernel drivers that aim no purpose |
| 21:57.17 | oo_miguel | i backed up everything |
| 21:57.27 | oo_miguel | and now I am on my old kernel chatting here with you ;) |
| 21:57.34 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: You may find some reasons in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's very noisy. |
| 21:57.43 | prompt32 | renatocan, i use gnome, and it the menu path ... |
| 21:57.48 | oo_miguel | but tonight I will boot the new kernel succesfully I hope and run X on top of it |
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| 21:58.02 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: You can use the -configure option for X to generatre one - see man pages for the actual option. |
| 21:58.05 | moof2 | oh good... so you're using x with nvidia now? |
| 21:58.26 | oo_miguel | moof2: right now I use the nvidia (proprietart) driver and X and my old kernel |
| 21:58.46 | oo_miguel | jhutchins_wk: what is normal these days? missing xorg.conf? |
| 21:58.53 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: Yes. |
| 21:59.02 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: The log will show the autodetection process. |
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| 21:59.10 | oo_miguel | jhutchins_wk: so something else in ther kernel is wrong :( |
| 21:59.20 | moof2 | let's see... at the bottom, the problem was caused by what you did... you've now undone all that and it's working... |
| 21:59.22 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: Something else is wrong. |
| 21:59.24 | oo_miguel | in console evertyhint seems so fine |
| 21:59.33 | oo_miguel | I even recompiled the kernel a couple of times |
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| 21:59.42 | oo_miguel | at normal speeds and multitasking repsonsiveness |
| 22:00.00 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: I suppose you could avoid looking at the log file... |
| 22:00.02 | oo_miguel | what else I might be missing in my kernel, to experience, such a pain? |
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| 22:00.18 | oo_miguel | jhutchins_wk: could *NOT* ? |
| 22:00.40 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: Remember that the kernel and the X video layer are two different things. The only thing they share is the kms/framebuffer kernel module. |
| 22:00.53 | moof2 | the issue of using a different driver because of some (maybe) political problem you have with the nvidia driver, you're trying to follow what you think is the right thing to do, and you should keep following that. |
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| 22:02.38 | oo_miguel | I can not even find out if its the other driver OR the other kernel |
| 22:02.39 | moof2 | the kernel thing can be factored out, as the original kernel is workign for you, and if you don't want to spend time reading, you should decide whether it makes sense to debug a new kernel at the same time you're dealing with changing drivers |
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| 22:03.03 | moof2 | then eliminate one factor and test the other |
| 22:03.05 | oo_miguel | moof2: oh I did not test the *new* kernel with the nvidia driver |
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| 22:03.43 | oo_miguel | however Im almost sure, I tested the *old* kernel with the noveau driver and that worked ... |
| 22:03.49 | oo_miguel | so... |
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| 22:03.58 | oo_miguel | my kernel is the root of the problems |
| 22:04.04 | moof2 | you may have to obtain the driver by hand as there's not a chain of packages for nvidia for every kernel possible |
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| 22:04.17 | r0b- | hi, has anyone tried to build Kernel 3.9.4 on Debian Wheezy? |
| 22:04.30 | moof2 | or the driver is the root... what if you try noveau on the old kernel? |
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| 22:04.50 | oo_miguel | r0b-: I build it yesterday |
| 22:05.05 | r0b- | oo_miguel, did you install it? |
| 22:05.15 | r0b- | http://pastebin.com/MXp2S0k4 thats the error i get trying to install |
| 22:05.17 | oo_miguel | moof2: As far as I remeber I tried it , and it worked, but I will test it again to be sure |
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| 22:05.40 | oo_miguel | r0b-: It works (excepting X) :( |
| 22:05.47 | moof2 | if that works, you're done :) |
| 22:05.48 | r0b- | ah |
| 22:05.55 | oo_miguel | r0b-: but this is due to (my) human failiure im sure |
| 22:06.01 | r0b- | lol |
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| 22:06.18 | asturel | hi, there is no ipconfig on debian live ? |
| 22:06.38 | moof2 | ipconfig is the windows name |
| 22:06.39 | r0b- | oo_miguel, im not sure why it fails to install for me. |
| 22:06.42 | asturel | ifconfig sorry |
| 22:06.42 | asturel | :D |
| 22:07.07 | oo_miguel | r0b-: I did not do it the debian way. Just compiled the kernel sources obtained from kernel.org (without using initramfs or modules) and copied the vmlinuz file to /boot , update-grub, shutdown -r now ;) |
| 22:07.11 | moof2 | there might be ip (considered the successor to ifconfig and route) |
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| 22:07.28 | r0b- | i am doing it the Debian way |
| 22:07.28 | asturel | yeah |
| 22:07.36 | asturel | but how do i use it ?:D |
| 22:07.38 | r0b- | so i will stick to my 3.2 Kernel |
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| 22:07.58 | moof2 | after I turn left onto Debian Way, what do I do after that to get to the party? |
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| 22:08.40 | oo_miguel | moof2: you have to turn around ? |
| 22:09.23 | r0b- | lol |
| 22:09.27 | r0b- | thanks oo_miguel |
| 22:09.29 | r0b- | bbl |
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| 22:11.36 | oo_miguel | moof2: seriously, I am not done with nouveau on my old, stock kernel, because my primary goal was building a custom kernel from kernel.org sources, and get that running on my Debian system |
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| 22:13.20 | moof2 | so what you want to do is get it going on the new kernel... and I'm not sure any more what that involves; you may have to build nouveau using the new kernel's headers? |
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| 22:13.53 | moof2 | btw, if I didn't say it already, congratulations for making a backup |
| 22:14.10 | moof2 | that saved you one hell of a lot of effort |
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| 22:17.41 | frostschutz | with backups you miss all the fun ... ;) |
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| 22:21.00 | moof2 | frostschutz, and in this case maybe that's the kind of fun (or approx) that oo_miguel wants; having said that, he really wants to get that new kernel going |
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| 22:22.37 | moof2 | it's like you're playing some complex video game and in this case he saved the game before getting to the big huge monsters around the corner |
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| 22:25.51 | mucha | hi. im young and nonexperienced linux user. i heard about usenet long time ago but i never used it. is it still reliable and dynamic source of knowledge? |
| 22:26.07 | magyar | hi, I can't write to a usb device with fat32 as a normal user in KDE. How can I get usb drives to mount with user privileges? |
| 22:26.57 | magyar | I'm running wheezy/stable |
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| 22:29.37 | mtn | mucha: I don't think it is all that popular anymore. most folks use forums and wikis |
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| 22:30.21 | LtL | mucha: usenet isn't what is used to be, but if you find the right groups there's some good stuff there. |
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| 22:32.38 | nonconvergent | mucha: Now we use mailing lists and forums/dedicated webpages for that sort of thing. Stack Exchange might have something if it's technical. |
| 22:33.15 | nonconvergent | Usenet got a bad rep from all the filesharing and warez that operated out of there (so did IRC to a lesser extent). |
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| 22:43.13 | r0b- | oo_miguel, i am going to try this on my Debian Wheezy 32bit install. |
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| 22:45.18 | krisfremen | how smart is it... to downgrade from wheezy to squeeze? |
| 22:45.40 | moof2 | downgrading isn't supported by debian |
| 22:45.49 | krisfremen | damn |
| 22:45.53 | krisfremen | oh well |
| 22:46.01 | moof2 | why, what happened? |
| 22:46.01 | krisfremen | I guess I'll just have to live with wheezy |
| 22:46.30 | digdilem | if you're prepared to reinstall, you could try it, but make very good backups first and set aside some time :) |
| 22:46.58 | krisfremen | well, it's a remote server, and as I'm in the middle of a move, not a good idea to tinker with such things |
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| 22:47.06 | digdilem | sounds wise |
| 22:47.25 | babilen | downgrading from wheezy to squeeze will almost certainly not work |
| 22:47.46 | krisfremen | I told the guy to install debian squeeze on it, nope, he got wheezy |
| 22:47.49 | babilen | krisfremen: What's wrong with wheezy? |
| 22:48.08 | moof2 | very early in debian history, the maints decided downgrades were too much work |
| 22:48.22 | krisfremen | nothing, just used to squeeze, I run squeeze everywhere, so I like to keep everything on the same level |
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| 22:48.46 | babilen | krisfremen: Well, upgrade everything to wheezy and you achieved the same thing |
| 22:48.47 | krisfremen | so in case there's bugs or stuff, I can reproduce them somewhere else with the same packages and such |
| 22:48.55 | krisfremen | heheh babilen |
| 22:48.57 | digdilem | presumably you'll be upgrading the others at some point. think of this as a learning curve |
| 22:49.07 | krisfremen | eventually... |
| 22:49.14 | babilen | krisfremen: either way, you have about ten months to do that, so no rush |
| 22:49.23 | krisfremen | I just switched my last server from Lenny to squeeze... give me a break |
| 22:49.36 | digdilem | oh dear |
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| 22:49.54 | krisfremen | well, not jsut.. that was about 6 months ago, but time flies |
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| 22:50.03 | babilen | krisfremen: Well, that was almost certainly too late. lenny hasn't received any support in more than a year (and you should have planned the uprade two years ago) |
| 22:50.39 | krisfremen | well, it was just a backup mail and database server, so no big deal |
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| 22:55.15 | krisfremen | I really like timeline.debian.net |
| 22:55.26 | krisfremen | real fancy, it is |
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| 22:56.43 | Lis | Hello everyone. I try to slow down mouse speed with xset m 0 1 But I want to lower it more. How can Ido that |
| 22:56.45 | krisfremen | well in that case, I can start preparing to update everything to wheezy |
| 22:57.23 | Lis | from squeeze krisfremen ? |
| 22:57.31 | krisfremen | yes |
| 22:57.56 | Lis | http://www.mathematek.de/debian:distribution_upgrade here are some notes |
| 22:58.01 | Lis | maybe it helps you |
| 22:59.02 | r0b- | slaps krisfremen why downgrade? |
| 22:59.22 | oo_miguel | likes the comparison of custom kernel builds to video games. (so thrilling without backups/savegames) ;) in the end its all the same sh*t ! ;) |
| 22:59.43 | krisfremen | r0b-: eh, I just wanted to make everything squeeze |
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| 22:59.53 | r0b- | lol |
| 22:59.59 | r0b- | upgrade from Squeeze :-) |
| 23:00.05 | krisfremen | but I'll just follow babilen's advice and go ahead to wheezy |
| 23:00.36 | krisfremen | Lis: that's your site? |
| 23:00.53 | moof2 | oo_miguel, lots of times, if you don't save you can't get ahead |
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| 23:02.41 | Kapisketo | Hello I'm using mysqltuner in a Debian, It says that I should adjust the tmp_table_size and max_heap_table_size . The trouble I'm having is that in the my.cnf file I can't find that options, Can be they using another name in the config file or they have default values if they aren't in the config file? |
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| 23:03.15 | oo_miguel | but for now, I will just boot the *new* kernel and check the X logs for indicators why it is so painfully slow, right? |
| 23:03.22 | moof2 | Kapisketo, or maybe they don't appear, so are using the default |
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| 23:03.42 | moof2 | umm, like you said :) |
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| 23:04.08 | krisfremen | Kapisketo: try adding them? |
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| 23:04.48 | oo_miguel | after I get X working, I will do the same to find out, why my sound subsystem, virtual box, and wine enviroment, and half of my hard disks dont work either ;) ? |
| 23:05.28 | oo_miguel | and after fixing them all I will go back to the the debian stock kernel |
| 23:05.37 | oo_miguel | sounds like a plan for me.. |
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| 23:07.00 | asturel | is there up2date wheezy custom kernel guide? |
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| 23:07.14 | moof2 | , kernels |
| 23:07.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 23:20.51 | Circuitsoft | I am running Squeeze, and having trouble with Xen since my latest reboot. |
| 23:20.57 | Circuitsoft | I believe this is the fix: http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-05/msg01496.html |
| 23:21.09 | Circuitsoft | Any way to find if that has a timeline for being implemented? |
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| 23:23.31 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, regards :-) |
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| 23:24.52 | Mk558 | Two quick questions: 1) Does the DVD install have more stuff on it than the CD install (DVD disc 1)? 2) will Debian 6.0 run fine on a P3 900MHz with 384MB RAM? |
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| 23:25.20 | Mk558 | I have Ubuntu 9.10 on it now but will probably have to migrate because of silly repositories being out of date |
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| 23:27.20 | Arrowmaster | debian 7 should run fine on that, gnome3 though probably not |
| 23:27.30 | Arrowmaster | so yes to debian 6 too |
| 23:28.16 | Arrowmaster | Mk558: and yes the dvd has more than the cd, if you will have a working net connection just use the netinstall, otherwise the dvd is the better choice |
| 23:28.56 | Mk558 | I'm doing it mainly for netatalk |
| 23:29.14 | Mk558 | I hate GNOME 3 with a passion so Debian 6 is the last GNOME 2 distro? |
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| 23:29.49 | Mk558 | how recent are the DVD main repositories? |
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| 23:30.31 | Mk558 | 9.10 is a bit sluggish, dates from 2009 so I'm a bit worried. |
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| 23:30.46 | Arrowmaster | debian 7 was just released |
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| 23:31.40 | Arrowmaster | for that hardware you will probably want to use XFCE, LXDE, or no DE at all if you can handle that |
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| 23:32.38 | Mk558 | ahh but I'm going to need a DE |
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| 23:33.13 | Mk558 | I'm not nerdy enough to be satisfied with just a $ |
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| 23:33.47 | Lis | krisfremen, yes my site |
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| 23:34.40 | Lis | Hello everyone. I try to slow down mouse speed with xset m 0 1 But I want to lower it more. How can Ido that |
| 23:34.46 | Arrowmaster | Mk558: i ment no DE and just start a window manager and nothing else, it can help on older hardware but you should have a good understanding of what you are doing when you try it |
| 23:35.33 | Mk558 | gotcha |
| 23:36.13 | Mk558 | maybe I'll just let it be with 9.10 since it already has win 2000 server with services for macintosh which is about 30x easier than running around installing netatalk |
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| 23:36.33 | Mk558 | I'll install 6.0 on a newer system. |
| 23:36.43 | Arrowmaster | install 7 |
| 23:37.08 | Arrowmaster | 6 already has a scheduled end of life |
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| 23:37.37 | Mk558 | If I install via a bootable thumbdrive, will it still be able to be used like a thumbdrive or will it overwrite it with something like .ext4? |
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| 23:38.04 | Mk558 | All I care about is that it has GNOME 2 with the human-theme like Ubuntu 9.10. Other than that, I really don't care |
| 23:38.17 | moof2 | Mk558, both are possible depending on how you want to prepare it |
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| 23:38.27 | Arrowmaster | the usb install will overwrite the entire thumbdrive |
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| 23:38.38 | Arrowmaster | you will need to reformat it to use it later |
| 23:38.45 | moof2 | if you use a thumb drive with stuff important to you, just back it up or use something else |
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| 23:39.14 | Mk558 | well it's nice to have a bootable thumbdrive but I don't really need that, but it'd be nice to have. |
| 23:39.47 | gnarface | yes, it is nice to have |
| 23:39.54 | Lis | jub thumbdrives are evil in terms of data storage |
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| 23:40.19 | DrFoo | is there a way to call a script when a file is created/moved-to a directory? |
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| 23:40.39 | moof2 | when you write the thumb drive with a with-filesystem image, if it's the installer then it can boot... into the installer |
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| 23:41.09 | Mk558 | 6.0 will be EOL'd when? |
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| 23:41.41 | LtL | Mk558: atleast a year from now |
| 23:41.51 | Mk558 | that's fine |
| 23:41.59 | moof2 | DrFoo, look at things like lpr, which operates by putting something in a dir, which lpd picks up and prints |
| 23:42.10 | Mk558 | I wanted 10.04LTS with a bootable thumbdrive image with all the updates but I missed out |
| 23:42.33 | moof2 | missed out? how? |
| 23:42.41 | Mk558 | How long will they support the 6.0 repositories? |
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| 23:43.02 | DrFoo | moof: anything scriptable? |
| 23:43.03 | Mk558 | moof2: they made the standard release (not server) EOL'd in april |
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| 23:43.21 | moof2 | and removed it? |
| 23:43.37 | moof2 | it seems to me support is important to you |
| 23:44.35 | Mk558 | Somewhat |
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| 23:44.52 | johanbr | DrFoo: you can use inotifywait |
| 23:44.54 | Mk558 | it sucks when you have to install something from source and it complains left and right |
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| 23:45.49 | tronje | hi, i just installed debian (lxde flavour) - but i can not activate the wifi. the network manager geys it out. dmesg tells me that the broadcom driver was loaded - what next? |
| 23:45.51 | moof2 | DrFoo, one way, you can have two dirs, then you pick something from the dir where files get dropped in there, move them to the other dir and then process |
| 23:45.53 | Mk558 | i.e. this requires that which requires this over there which first requires this other thing but first this other library has to be installed which doesn't work because the kernel isn't supported yadayadah yah |
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| 23:46.33 | moof2 | tronje, maybe your wireless needs firmware |
| 23:46.42 | Mk558 | unlike windows or OS X where generally all you need is a .dmg or a .exe and you're usually done. |
| 23:46.47 | tronje | moof2: how do i check? |
| 23:47.19 | moof2 | by comparing against a list you create |
| 23:47.39 | tronje | moof2: noob-speak please :) what list? |
| 23:47.46 | moof2 | that's the 1-dir version |
| 23:48.10 | moof2 | ok, first you make a list of what's currently in the dir... |
| 23:49.00 | moof2 | then, you look at the difference between your list and what's in the dir currently |
| 23:49.22 | moof2 | if the difference is nothing, you're done... |
| 23:49.40 | moof2 | if there is a difference, then you see what the new stuff is |
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| 23:50.00 | moof2 | this is also how some email servers work |
| 23:50.08 | tronje | moof2: is that all related to my wifi-problem? sounds like a different plrmen to me ... |
| 23:50.11 | tronje | *problem |
| 23:50.23 | magyar | hi, how can i adjust udisk to mount usb(fat32) r/w for user? |
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| 23:50.32 | moof2 | wait, let me check something |
| 23:50.59 | moof2 | oh, the dir stuff is for drfoo |
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| 23:51.21 | Arrowmaster | magyar: it should by default, if its not it might be running into a filesystem error that needs corrected first |
| 23:51.23 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, |
| 23:51.28 | tronje | moof2: thougth so :P |
| 23:51.29 | DrFoo | thx everyone |
| 23:51.41 | moof2 | tronje, it would help to know exactly what chipset you have |
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| 23:52.06 | magyar | Arrowmaster: it's an Ipod-touch filesystem and shows up as FAT32 |
| 23:52.33 | moof2 | if that chipset requires firmware, then the question becomes where to get it from and then how to install it |
| 23:52.36 | tronje | moof2: lspci says broadcom |
| 23:52.38 | Arrowmaster | check syslog for errors |
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| 23:52.46 | Arrowmaster | other than that i wouldnt know |
| 23:52.57 | moof2 | can you lspci -nn |
| 23:53.04 | moof2 | and show the line for your wireless |
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| 23:53.36 | tronje | moof2: the laptop with the trouble is not connected in any way - i'd have to manually retype the output |
| 23:53.49 | tronje | moof2: BCM4312 |
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| 23:53.55 | tronje | LP-PHY |
| 23:54.07 | moof2 | ok, just need the thing that looks like [sedc:23ew] |
| 23:54.20 | tronje | i think the LP-PHY stands for low power something-something |
| 23:54.59 | tronje | moof2: [14e4:4315] |
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| 23:55.17 | moof2 | , pciid [14e4:4315] |
| 23:55.18 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 23:55.33 | boldfilter | Can anyone direct me to the recommended netinstall with firmware |
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| 23:55.41 | boldfilter | for wheezy |
| 23:56.11 | moof2 | boldfilter, probably we should figure out your device and which firmware it needs |
| 23:56.22 | tronje | moof2: lsmod | grep ssb gives me three lines |
| 23:56.30 | boldfilter | 64 bit iwifi |
| 23:56.31 | tronje | moof2: so it seems to be loaded - right? |
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| 23:56.39 | themill | "ssb" isn't a useful response from judd btw |
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| 23:57.02 | magyar | Arrowmaster: no errors, it mounts it r/w for root only |
| 23:57.06 | moof2 | isn't that a filesystem or something? |
| 23:57.28 | themill | "Sonics Silicon Backplane driver" |
| 23:57.30 | moof2 | tronje, look thru dmesg output and see if you can see a message about firmware |
| 23:57.57 | tronje | moof2: dmesg | grep firmware |
| 23:57.59 | tronje | nothing |
| 23:58.10 | boldfilter | I've downloaded non free firmware but still get prompted |
| 23:58.13 | moof2 | try putting a -i after grep |
| 23:58.35 | themill | boldfilter: what did you download and what is the prompt? |
| 23:58.40 | moof2 | still no output? |
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| 23:59.13 | tronje | moof2: something about [Firmare Bug]: ACPI: BIOS_OSI(Linux) qurey ignored |
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| 23:59.21 | tronje | moof2: but i don't think that's related |
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| 23:59.56 | moof2 | that's the only thing you get? |
