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| 00:00.00 | boldfilter | themill: firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso and a prompt for my wifi for iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode |
| 00:00.01 | Mk558 | debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso is a live bootable CD with GNOME 2? |
| 00:00.03 | tronje | moof2: yes |
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| 00:00.53 | Arrowmaster | magyar: you are in gnome3 as a user and plug it in and it doesnt give that user write access? i really have no clue now because its supposed to |
| 00:01.00 | tronje | moof2: iw list gives me output |
| 00:01.11 | tronje | moof2: does that mean anything? |
| 00:01.16 | moof2 | I'm almost positive you need firmware... but dmesg is not saying anything either about "the firmware was successfully loaded" or "there was a requexst made to load firmware but there was this error: ....." |
| 00:01.33 | moof2 | what kind of output? |
| 00:01.52 | moof2 | does it show your AP for example? |
| 00:02.07 | themill | boldfilter: hmm that image should contain that firmware |
| 00:02.09 | tronje | moof2: Wiphy phy0 \newline \tab Band 1: \newline \tab \tab Freqencies: |
| 00:02.22 | tronje | moof2: then long list of freqencies |
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| 00:02.40 | tronje | then bitrates(non-HT), long list again |
| 00:02.42 | magyar | Arrowmaster: am using kde, and there could be a problem with polkit, thanks for your input Arrowmaster |
| 00:03.09 | boldfilter | It has it in the iso, but still prompted |
| 00:03.13 | moof2 | howbout iwlist scan? |
| 00:03.20 | themill | boldfilter: can you complete the install with a wired connection (or even with no connection) and then add firmware-iwlwifi afterwards? |
| 00:03.24 | boldfilter | yes |
| 00:04.00 | tronje | moof2: lol - wlan - interface does not support scanning; network is donw |
| 00:04.40 | moof2 | can you look at ifconfig -a |
| 00:04.41 | tronje | moof2: ifup wlan0 -> unkonw interface |
| 00:04.41 | tronje | :( |
| 00:05.05 | tronje | moof2: ifconfig -a lists: lo, eth0, wlan0 |
| 00:05.24 | moof2 | try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 00:05.29 | moof2 | then iwlist scan |
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| 00:06.05 | moof2 | we're still trying to determine if firmware is required |
| 00:06.06 | tronje | ifconfig wlan0 up -> SIOCSIFFLAGS: file or directoy not found |
| 00:06.28 | moof2 | that may indicate we need firmware |
| 00:06.33 | tronje | ok |
| 00:06.49 | tronje | i can transfer data with a pendrive if required |
| 00:07.01 | moof2 | themill, I know you answered this exact question yesterday; didn't cache it unfortunately |
| 00:07.02 | boldfilter | themill: How would I get debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso to boot on a usb |
| 00:07.13 | moof2 | what firmware for his card? |
| 00:07.17 | weeb1e_ | Hi everyone |
| 00:07.42 | tronje | also currently i use a usb broadband stick for internet - don'T know if debian supports it out of the box... |
| 00:08.07 | weeb1e_ | I have a box which has two hard drives in raid, but only one is partitioned as far as I know. How can I see which devices are partitioned and which are not, so that I can safely partition and format the unused one? |
| 00:08.10 | moof2 | is it inserted now? |
| 00:08.23 | tronje | moof2: let me try to use the stick on the trouble box - currently it is on my "working" laptop |
| 00:08.46 | moof2 | oh, ok... come back when you're done with that test |
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| 00:13.03 | Jeudi | I'm running Debian from a HDD, with /boot and / on different partitions. Would it be trivial to move / to a different drive (USB flash), and run / from that instead? |
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| 00:14.02 | histo | Jeudi: trivial? |
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| 00:14.29 | Jeudi | Trivial. A job of low complexity and little effort. |
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| 00:15.05 | boldfilter | So I don't have to redownload everything |
| 00:15.06 | asturel | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:15.06 | asturel | ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable |
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| 00:16.23 | tronje | moof2: i'm back - with the trouble box :) stick worked out of the box - flawless :) |
| 00:16.35 | tronje | moof2: also i got one step ahead |
| 00:16.50 | moof2 | tronje, cool... now you can get the other interface going easier |
| 00:16.57 | tronje | moof2: will inserting the stick i fond the hardware switch :) now i am told i need firmware :D |
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| 00:17.47 | tronje | [ 1997.457350] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: agent aborted loading b43/ucode15.fw (not found?) |
| 00:17.49 | tronje | [ 1997.467094] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: agent aborted loading b43-open/ucode15.fw (not found?) |
| 00:17.51 | tronje | [ 1997.467547] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all instructions on this website. |
| 00:18.29 | moof2 | oh cool, so try: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:18.33 | tronje | moof2: a sidequest: if i try to install irssi (apt-get install irssi) it says there is no such package Oo |
| 00:18.34 | Pei | Okay, who needs help........ |
| 00:18.39 | moof2 | since you have net on the trouble box |
| 00:18.43 | Pei | hangs out his "Available for help" sign |
| 00:18.51 | Mk558 | Install netatalk from source? |
| 00:18.59 | Mk558 | talk about unholy hard |
| 00:19.06 | Mk558 | On an unsupported OS. |
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| 00:19.19 | tronje | moof2: packages not found Oo |
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| 00:19.24 | moof2 | I had that working once, it wasn't hard to build |
| 00:19.36 | moof2 | tronje, non-free in your sources.list? |
| 00:19.42 | Mk558 | it's not hard when repositories are active but something else when they are not. |
| 00:19.45 | tronje | moof2: i thing during installation i disabled something about packagemirrors- i thought that setting was for isntallation process only |
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| 00:20.26 | tronje | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20130505-19:02]/ wheezy main |
| 00:20.27 | moof2 | ok, see if you can apt-get install nopaste |
| 00:20.27 | zykotick9 | tronje: sounds like you are missing the "main" debian repo... check your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 00:20.28 | tronje | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 00:20.30 | tronje | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 00:20.35 | tronje | that's the content of my sources.list |
| 00:20.42 | tronje | plus some comments |
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| 00:21.14 | moof2 | !wheezy sources |
| 00:21.26 | moof2 | !wheezy sources.list |
| 00:21.26 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 00:21.53 | moof2 | so comment out the cdrom source |
| 00:22.04 | moof2 | make sure you have these three |
| 00:22.22 | moof2 | then add contrib non-free to the first line listed above |
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| 00:22.35 | moof2 | right after main |
| 00:22.43 | zykotick9 | moof2: boo to contrib/non-free ;) |
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| 00:23.10 | moof2 | theres not a choice here if he wants to get that going |
| 00:23.41 | moof2 | as always, after changing sources.list, run apt-get update |
| 00:23.45 | zykotick9 | moof2: i'm unaware of context, just a general "boo to contrib/non-free" |
| 00:23.57 | tronje | moof2: should i also add the other lines mentioned by the bot? |
| 00:24.12 | moof2 | yes (or make sure they're already there) |
| 00:24.28 | tronje | moof2: what about my deb-src line? |
| 00:24.35 | tronje | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 00:24.52 | moof2 | you can have that or not... you'll need it for debianized sources |
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| 00:25.56 | zykotick9 | tronje: i'd think "most" people don't need deb-src line(s). |
| 00:27.13 | tronje | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main |
| 00:27.15 | tronje | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 00:27.16 | tronje | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 00:27.19 | tronje | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main |
| 00:27.20 | tronje | is that setting ok? |
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| 00:27.42 | tronje | i hope it is ok to paste multiple lines since it's pretty calm in here right now... |
| 00:28.19 | tronje | zykotick9: i think you're right :) |
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| 00:28.27 | moof2 | keep below 3 or so |
| 00:28.49 | tronje | moof2: ok. is the setting above ok? |
| 00:29.48 | moof2 | yeah, that looks good |
| 00:30.03 | tronje | moof2: or do i need contrib/non-free instead of "contrib non-free"? |
| 00:30.12 | moof2 | not / |
| 00:30.16 | tronje | ok |
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| 00:30.35 | moof2 | it's two different archives instead of an archive inside another |
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| 00:31.25 | tronje | moof2: ok, learned something - i never really thought about this - i copy and pasted and used what worked :P |
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| 00:31.53 | tronje | moof2: ok, it's downloading the package list |
| 00:32.29 | tronje | moof2: it's weired to set up a system in a languag other than english (german for my little sister) |
| 00:32.35 | tronje | *language |
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| 00:32.44 | moof2 | they are related in another way tho, the non-free archive uses packages in contrib (packages in contrib are usually not otherwise used) |
| 00:33.14 | moof2 | oh, do you want to read in english? |
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| 00:33.44 | tronje | Duplicate sources.list entry http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - gimme a sec to handle this |
| 00:34.09 | moof2 | you can add "LC_ALL=C" to beginning of command lines where you want to read output in english |
| 00:34.39 | moof2 | example, LC_ALL=C apt-get update |
| 00:34.46 | tronje | moof2: usually i set up all systems in english - that gives me better chances with errormessages, and sometimes translations are quirky... but in the case of my sister i'll go german from the very beginning to avoid date-format trouble and so on |
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| 00:35.28 | DrFoo | I hate scripting. the syntax sucks. how do I compare a variable to the string value "true" ?? |
| 00:35.44 | moof2 | if that works, note that you would have the english locale installed |
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| 00:36.55 | moof2 | in which shell? it's probably if [ "$somevar" eq "true" ] |
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| 00:37.36 | nevyn__ | DrFoo: [ x$variable -eq "xtrue" |
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| 00:38.44 | DrFoo | nevyn__: why the x? |
| 00:38.47 | moof2 | the shell would throw a syntax error if $somevar is null, that's why I quoted it... in nevyn__'s method, he adds an x at the beginning so that parameter (to eq) could never be "" |
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| 00:40.04 | DrFoo | it keeps telling me that true is not found... why is it looking for it. |
| 00:40.20 | moof2 | in an sh script, a plain and unquoted var will appear to be not there syntatically if it's empty |
| 00:40.25 | tronje | moof2: shoudl i remove the double entry from sources.list or /var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages ? |
| 00:40.34 | nevyn__ | DrFoo: so the thing to understand is [ is a executable |
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| 00:41.02 | moof2 | tronje, from the soucrces.list, then update |
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| 00:41.52 | tronje | moof2: but the other is in var - but ok :) |
| 00:42.16 | moof2 | remove the one without contrib or non-free |
| 00:42.17 | DrFoo | nevyn: it's an executable? |
| 00:42.23 | DrFoo | I can't just compare a variable? |
| 00:42.48 | tronje | DrFoo: go to #bash? |
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| 00:42.58 | nevyn | DrFoo: man [ |
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| 00:43.16 | DrFoo | lol I never thought to man [ |
| 00:43.24 | moof2 | word of warning: #bash people bash people. |
| 00:43.51 | DrFoo | what an aweful day of code... first MUMPS, now this.. |
| 00:44.09 | moof2 | DrFoo, [ and test are pretty much the same thing |
| 00:44.31 | tronje | moof2: well... other cannels say that #debian folks are quite rtfm-happy :P |
| 00:44.46 | moof2 | they are! |
| 00:44.49 | DrFoo | Is there a GOOD reference for shell scripting. Most of the stuff on the net is a bit thin or is just boilerplate |
| 00:44.54 | Pei | :) |
| 00:44.58 | nevyn | bash scripting howto? |
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| 00:45.08 | nevyn | !bash-howto |
| 00:45.13 | moof2 | I would suggest reading as a way to learn to do it. it's definitely a technical skill |
| 00:45.13 | DrFoo | a GOOD one |
| 00:45.28 | gwillen | hi all; I'm trying to figure out how to get djbdns working on Wheezy in the most-approved way. Any tips? |
| 00:45.29 | tronje | moof2: ok, error is gone |
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| 00:45.48 | moof2 | cool :) you're all set to install whatever... |
| 00:45.49 | DrFoo | yes, but I've seen different ways of doing something and most don't explain why they are doing it a particular way |
| 00:45.57 | gwillen | I have tried installed the dbndns package, although I see hints that maybe I should have installed the djbdns package instead, and no real suggestion of how to figure out which one to use |
| 00:46.00 | nevyn | !abs |
| 00:46.00 | dpkg | [abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at http://tldp.org/guides.html#abs . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls> or ask in #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:46.07 | tronje | moof2: btw, how do i get tab-completion in the terminal? |
| 00:46.21 | moof2 | try apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:46.27 | nevyn | tronje: for what? |
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| 00:46.37 | tronje | moof2: ok |
| 00:46.37 | gwillen | (I pulled the package from sid using apt-src, and it installed fine, but it has limited documentation and doesn't seem to install any of the usual stuff into /var/tinydns or /etc/service, and I can't figure out how to configure it.) |
| 00:46.56 | tronje | nevyn: e.g. for apt-get install or commands in general |
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| 00:47.08 | dclarke | is there a way to force eth0 to a static ip? I try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.250.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" but I always get a DHCP address |
| 00:47.32 | nevyn | tronje: install bash-completion or whatever it's called |
| 00:47.35 | DrFoo | thx I'll give that a read. |
| 00:47.42 | nevyn | file completions should work already |
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| 00:47.49 | moof2 | dclarke, most likely that setting is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:47.54 | tronje | nevyn: yeah, file completion works |
| 00:47.59 | nevyn | DrFoo: there's a simpler Bash-scripting-howto as part of TLDP |
| 00:48.02 | Pei | dclarke: systemctl disable dhcp |
| 00:48.17 | Pei | or systemctl dhcp disable |
| 00:48.18 | dclarke | Pei, that may kill my wireless connection however |
| 00:48.21 | Pei | i forget which |
| 00:48.25 | Pei | hrm |
| 00:48.34 | moof2 | what os does that work in? |
| 00:48.42 | Pei | oh |
| 00:48.48 | dclarke | I have a wlan0 which is correcctly dhccp and works .. now in fact .. and eth0 that I want static to a whole other subnet |
| 00:48.49 | Pei | dammit i;m on the debian channel |
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| 00:48.56 | Pei | that command is for archlinux sorry |
| 00:48.59 | moof2 | that you are :) |
| 00:49.13 | tronje | moof2: if i would have set that packagemirror thing during install to YES instead of NO all the package.list sutff would have been ok, out of the box? |
| 00:49.14 | dclarke | in /etc/network/interfaces I have "iface eth0 inet static" but that seems to be ignored |
| 00:49.33 | dclarke | Pei, actually .. this is debian jessie |
| 00:49.43 | dclarke | Pei, if that makes a diff, which I doubt |
| 00:50.06 | Pei | heh |
| 00:50.08 | Pei | not to me |
| 00:50.18 | moof2 | tronje, well you would also need the net set up (which would mean for you to use the usb dongle) |
| 00:50.28 | Pei | i'm using squeeze tho |
| 00:50.40 | Pei | and wheezy on my laptop |
| 00:50.53 | dclarke | Pei, more or less ... same thing ... well squeeze, wheezy, jessis all have nearly identical network config stuff I would think |
| 00:51.00 | dclarke | this is a laptop ... |
| 00:51.06 | moof2 | dclarke, maybe network-manager (or soemthign) is taking over? |
| 00:51.29 | moof2 | does the iface line have parameters following it? |
| 00:51.43 | moof2 | like: |
| 00:51.48 | dclarke | moof2, feels like something is getting in the way .. even simple stuff like "ifup eth0" fails with "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" and Failed to bring up eth0 |
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| 00:51.58 | dclarke | moof2, yes |
| 00:52.07 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.11 | tronje | moof2: ah ok |
| 00:52.12 | dclarke | yep |
| 00:52.12 | moof2 | something like that? |
| 00:52.19 | dclarke | exactly like in fact |
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| 00:52.35 | dclarke | address 192.168.250.4 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 \n gateway 192.168.250.1 |
| 00:52.35 | moof2 | and more, like netmask and gateway |
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| 00:52.43 | dclarke | yeah .. got that |
| 00:53.07 | moof2 | that's the minimum you need for operation |
| 00:53.09 | tronje | nevyn: completion was already installed... i'll look for apt-get install completion later... mabye back then i got it when installing aptitude... research will be done ;) thank you for your help and hints |
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| 00:53.20 | moof2 | do you have network-manager? |
| 00:53.24 | dclarke | its somewhat baffling to see how to simply manually set eth0 .. should be dead easy |
| 00:53.31 | nevyn | tronje: did you logoff and on again |
| 00:53.32 | dclarke | moof2, how do I tell ? |
| 00:53.34 | tronje | moof2: ok, i'll reboot to activeate firmware |
| 00:53.36 | dclarke | moof2, oh .. one sec .. |
| 00:53.41 | moof2 | wait :) |
| 00:54.05 | tronje | moof2: yes |
| 00:54.07 | dclarke | hold on a sec there matey .. I think I see who is the issue here |
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| 00:54.15 | nevyn | tronje: the completions are only parsed into your session at login (also it might require frobbing some stuff in bash startup files. |
| 00:54.22 | moof2 | tronje, actually go ahead, it should work |
| 00:54.49 | tronje | moof2: still says not ready, firmware missing |
| 00:54.51 | dclarke | moof2, holy crap .. i keep getting a DHCP address ... |
| 00:55.16 | dclarke | I better find the ... stupid gui thingy and kill it |
| 00:55.18 | tronje | brb |
| 00:55.24 | dclarke | I just want ifconfig to work .. not anything else really .. without killing wlan0 |
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| 00:55.55 | moof2 | dclarke, do you have a script that runs ifconfig and route? |
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| 00:56.17 | moof2 | I'm asking because I think maybe that script ran and set up your net |
| 00:57.08 | dclarke | moof2, yeah .. am looking in /etc/rc2.d and other similar places |
| 00:57.33 | nevyn | dclarke: network-manager? |
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| 00:58.00 | nevyn | likes network manager... |
| 00:58.34 | Pei | yeah well Pei hates it |
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| 00:58.36 | Pei | heh just kidding |
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| 00:59.16 | tronje | moof2: after reboot, still firmware trouble |
| 00:59.26 | nevyn | I don't like it on servers ;) but on my laptop it's quite useful. |
| 00:59.27 | tronje | [ 21.979566] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: agent aborted loading b43/ucode15.fw (not found?) |
| 00:59.30 | tronje | [ 21.987592] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: agent aborted loading b43-open/ucode15.fw (not found?) |
| 00:59.33 | tronje | [ 21.988172] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all instructions on this website. |
| 00:59.38 | Pei | yeah i run a server with it so |
| 00:59.44 | Pei | with debian* |
| 00:59.54 | nevyn | tronje: did you instal the firmware? |
| 00:59.58 | nevyn | !b43 |
| 00:59.59 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
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| 01:01.11 | DrFoo | so my script didn't create the right directory.. it didn't subsitute ~ for /home/user/ |
| 01:01.24 | DrFoo | If I rm -r ~ am I going to screw myself |
| 01:01.35 | dclarke | moof2, and nevyn yep .. network manager gui thingy was in the way |
| 01:01.36 | dclarke | sorry for being a n00b |
| 01:01.50 | DrFoo | can I delete by inode or something to be safe |
| 01:01.51 | krel | i'm installing wheezy and getting the "E: Package 'grub-pc' has no installation candidate" error when trying to install grub. what's the best solution to this problem? (sorry, I know this is a common question, but google's giving several different answers, many of which don't work) |
| 01:03.48 | tronje | nevyn: i'm doing sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer - that waht is recommeded by http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware - guess that's what i was missing |
| 01:04.29 | moof2 | dclarke, network-manager has been altered to read interfaces file... if there is a stanza for an interface, network-manager should ignore it |
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| 01:04.33 | nevyn | tronje: is that current? |
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| 01:05.06 | exarkun | Debian Wheezy RC2, how do I make the power button on my laptop hibernate instead of suspend? |
| 01:05.13 | tronje | nevyn: what do you mean? dmesg pointed me to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and there is a section for debian |
| 01:05.44 | tronje | An unsupported BCM4312 Low-Power (LP-PHY) device was found. |
| 01:05.44 | tronje | Use b43 LP-PHY firmware (firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package) instead. |
| 01:05.45 | tronje | Aborting. |
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| 01:06.11 | tronje | new attempt :) |
| 01:06.16 | moof2 | nevyn, looks to be current as of squeeze |
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| 01:07.00 | tronje | moof2: nevyn right now i am doing: apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 01:07.12 | tronje | shoudl i stop the download? |
| 01:07.30 | dimitry7 | have you tried CPU flags in XML format with virsh ????????? |
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| 01:07.37 | dimitry7 | i need an example... who could hand it please? |
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| 01:09.24 | moof2 | tronje, of that firmware? I'd say let it download and install |
| 01:09.54 | tronje | moof2: ok. just out of interest: what would be the "current" procedure? |
| 01:10.00 | dimitry7 | mmmmmmm |
| 01:10.14 | tronje | also, download takes 10 more minutes :P |
| 01:10.40 | moof2 | just what you're doing, trying things, see if they work |
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| 01:12.25 | moof2 | tronje, or, if you already know what driver/what firmware/etc, just install those |
| 01:12.42 | tronje | moof2: ah ok... just because you said "as of squeeze" - somehow gave me the impression that you know about changes that website does not know about :P |
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| 01:12.52 | moof2 | in this case we didn't know, not me, not you, apparantly not anyone |
| 01:13.38 | tronje | "Bubee, I know many things you don't know." (9-finger joe, lock, stock, smoking barrel) |
| 01:13.44 | tronje | *s |
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| 01:14.37 | moof2 | well what I do know is first, I run squeeze (currently also known as "oldstable"), I haven't upgraded this laptop to wheezy but I know it exists and I know it's (somehow) different than what I'm running now |
| 01:14.39 | tronje | moof2: it's still current http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 01:16.38 | tronje | i am surprised how elegant lxde looks Oo |
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| 01:17.01 | j_v | for building custom kernels, I'm switching from using kernel-package to following the kernel handbook. I'm wondering if I am missing something, since no *.changes file is generated. |
| 01:17.33 | j_v | though there is a *.dsc generated. |
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| 01:18.24 | moof2 | j_v, does that process generate debian packages, the content of which results from building the kernel? |
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| 01:18.49 | j_v | moof2: yes |
| 01:19.20 | moof2 | ahh, then maybe the kernel devs have incorporated package building |
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| 01:20.30 | j_v | yes. it's pretty straight forward to use and the handbook is an excellent guide. |
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| 01:21.47 | j_v | but I'm used to using dpkg-buildpackage for generating patched packages, and if done properly, a .changes file is generated for the package build. |
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| 01:22.22 | moof2 | does that process generate the other parts, like the headers and out-of-tree modules? |
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| 01:22.59 | j_v | image, image-dbg(debug), and headers, yep |
| 01:23.11 | moof2 | ok, that appears really good... |
| 01:23.40 | moof2 | I'm unsure what you want in addition to that, unless it's the .changes file |
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| 01:25.05 | j_v | yeah, but perhaps I need to reread the developers manual some more and get a better understanding of the .changes file and how it is created. |
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| 01:25.35 | moof2 | I see |
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| 01:25.50 | moof2 | that sounds like a great next step |
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| 01:38.18 | tronje | moof2: nevyn: it works now- thank you both for your patience and help! |
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| 01:38.57 | tronje | at chance, does anyone know a good software to manage ipods - i know my sister has one so she's probably gonna use it on this laptop |
| 01:39.43 | moof2 | tronje, great! with the low power firmware? |
| 01:39.53 | tronje | moof2: yes |
| 01:40.03 | dvs | amarok? I've never used it. |
| 01:40.17 | tronje | moof2: when i tried the normal version it aborted, but said in the last line i have to go with the low-power version |
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| 01:40.35 | moof2 | I don't know about ipod stuff (I have one I never used, expensive too) |
| 01:41.04 | moof2 | but my android phone has taken over that functionality |
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| 01:41.07 | Pei | you must have gotten it as a gift or have a lot of disposable income |
| 01:41.23 | moof2 | neither |
| 01:41.29 | Pei | found it?> |
| 01:41.33 | Pei | lol |
| 01:41.35 | Pei | stole it> |
| 01:41.37 | Pei | :P |
| 01:41.44 | moof2 | no, I bought it |
| 01:41.55 | tronje | borrowd.... |
| 01:42.01 | tronje | *e |
| 01:42.21 | moof2 | disposable is a pretty strong word... at the time, I could do it |
| 01:42.21 | Pei | like i said, must have a lot of disposable income to buy one and never use it, if it is indeed as you said, expensive |
| 01:42.27 | Pei | ah |
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| 01:42.34 | moof2 | it's called "saving up for it" |
| 01:42.43 | Pei | saving up and never using it |
| 01:42.45 | Pei | hrm.... |
| 01:43.02 | Pei | not something you hear every day but okay |
| 01:43.11 | Pei | sorry sorry... </trolling> |
| 01:43.47 | moof2 | yeahwell... an iTunes account would have meant monthly income |
| 01:43.58 | Pei | i;m just bored, forgive me |
| 01:44.25 | Pei | all my servers are workin fine... as is my main machine |
| 01:44.32 | Pei | oh how i wish something was broke |
| 01:44.47 | moof2 | sounds like you'd like a project |
| 01:44.53 | Pei | yes i would. |
| 01:45.05 | moof2 | around what topics? |
| 01:45.20 | Pei | i like trying out new php web-apps |
| 01:45.38 | moof2 | howbout writing web apps? |
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| 01:45.51 | Pei | done drupal, joomla, piwigo, wordpress |
| 01:45.58 | Pei | roundcube |
| 01:46.04 | Pei | not much of a coder |
| 01:46.22 | moof2 | being a coder sounds like something new to do |
| 01:46.44 | Pei | yes but anything i could write someone has already done, and better |
| 01:46.56 | moof2 | and? :) |
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| 01:47.08 | moof2 | well, you don't have to code something if you don't want to |
| 01:47.08 | Pei | don;t know enough about coding to join a project |
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| 01:47.37 | Pei | would be nice to learn a new server app..... |
| 01:47.48 | Pei | something i could help someone setup in the future |
| 01:48.09 | Pei | i am at my best as a server admin/help desk |
| 01:48.40 | moof2 | is that what you love to do? |
| 01:48.46 | Pei | yes |
| 01:48.55 | Pei | i have 3 servers in data centers |
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| 01:49.14 | Pei | i run free webhostig/shells/email/ftp for people who want it |
| 01:49.16 | zeroxia | Maybe you can dig further, learn some PHP, and try to customize more with like wordpress or its themes. |
| 01:49.36 | Pei | http://theb0x.org is me |
| 01:50.35 | Pei | seems you can;t even give away webhosting now days |
| 01:51.20 | Pei | no one is too interested or they think there;s strings attached.... but with me there isn't i just ask thatpeople be resonable with the resources of the server |
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| 01:51.49 | tronje | Pei: or people host themselves :P |
| 01:51.53 | Pei | that too |
| 01:51.58 | Pei | esp these days |
| 01:52.12 | moof2 | one thing, this idea that "other people have done it, and better than I could have" could mean you like being seen well, and don't like to be seen as messy |
| 01:52.17 | tronje | Pei: to be honest, all those enthusiasts usually like to do stuff themselves... they use an old computer or raspi |
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| 01:53.08 | tronje | Pei: or they need something more powerful - but in that case your servers would be loaded |
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| 01:53.11 | Pei | yeah i iusually offer my services in channels like these, but these channels especially no one needs hosting |
| 01:53.17 | Pei | yeah |
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| 01:54.19 | tronje | Pei: where are you servers located? |
| 01:54.31 | Pei | dallas, tx |
| 01:54.36 | Pei | dunno why i keep all three there |
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| 01:55.00 | moof2 | my server box needs to have a unix-alike where I have full (incl root) access, lots of ram and C and C++ compilers) |
| 01:55.12 | tronje | hm, am i missing any messages? is my internet unstable? |
| 01:55.18 | Pei | most peopple do |
| 01:55.26 | Pei | tronje: dunno.... |
| 01:55.31 | Pei | been answerin ya |
| 01:56.09 | tronje | Pei: have seen that |
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| 01:56.17 | Pei | moof2: yeah that's what most people require now days,.... root access |
| 01:56.27 | tronje | 3% packet loss when pinging google :/ |
| 01:56.33 | Pei | ouch |
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| 01:56.59 | tronje | Pei: aren't you afraid that misuse will get you trouble? |
| 01:57.26 | moof2 | what kind of misuse? pinging google? |
| 01:57.53 | Pei | nah, not really |
| 01:58.13 | tronje | moof2: ellegal actions |
| 01:58.19 | Pei | if someone abuses, i get notified, and they get one warning or immediate termination (depending on the severity of the abuse0 |
| 01:58.24 | tronje | *illegal |
| 01:58.40 | moof2 | Pei, are you seeing misuse coming from people who use your services? |
| 01:58.45 | Pei | nope |
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| 01:58.55 | Pei | most people i offer it to kind of become my friends |
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| 01:58.59 | Pei | never had anyone misuse yet |
| 01:59.13 | Pei | but i haven't gotten that many people using it either |
| 01:59.16 | dvs | plots |
| 01:59.19 | tronje | OR; you have never noticed it |
| 01:59.21 | Pei | lol @ dvs |
| 01:59.33 | Pei | tronje: that too |
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| 01:59.56 | tronje | Pei: but i appreciate your efforts |
| 02:00.02 | Pei | thanks |
| 02:00.06 | Pei | gives me something to do |
| 02:00.14 | Pei | and i like helping people |
| 02:00.17 | tronje | :D |
| 02:00.22 | tronje | get a cat |
| 02:00.23 | tronje | :P |
| 02:00.25 | moof2 | feeds dvs a collection of points from x, sin(x) |
| 02:00.31 | Pei | so when someone needs a blog or something and don't know where to host it, i jump in |
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| 02:00.41 | dvs | heh |
| 02:00.45 | Pei | i know wordpress offers free sites |
| 02:00.46 | tronje | get a cat from some1 who got allergic to cats |
| 02:00.53 | Pei | so it's hard to compete |
| 02:00.59 | Pei | can't. live in a group home |
| 02:01.02 | Pei | is disabled |
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| 02:01.22 | tronje | :/ |
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| 02:01.31 | DrFoo | I've have a list of directories in a file. I want to cat the file and make the directories with mkdir, however I want to add a parent directory before. I tried: |
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| 02:01.33 | tronje | get a ninja-cat :D |
| 02:01.44 | j_v | Pei: I like the pic on theb0x.org page. |
| 02:01.47 | tronje | Pei: but the free sites of wordpress are pretty limited |
| 02:01.53 | tronje | Pei: no plugins or so |
| 02:02.00 | DrFoo | cat foo.txt | mkdir -p "$LEADINGPATH"- |
| 02:02.04 | Pei | j-v: lol thanks, it came with the software |
| 02:02.07 | tronje | you'll find the borders of that offer pretty fast :D |
| 02:02.10 | Pei | tronje: ahh, really? |
| 02:02.14 | moof2 | I knew this aikido black belt who trained a cat |
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| 02:02.23 | Pei | hrm interesting to know |
| 02:02.26 | DrFoo | but that doesn't work. It just creates a dir called - under the leading path |
| 02:02.36 | moof2 | he says it got to the point couldn't play with that cat anymore |
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| 02:02.55 | Pei | lol |
| 02:02.58 | DrFoo | how can I do what I'm trying to do? |
| 02:02.59 | tronje | Pei: i know to well - my gf has her website there and she's allways complaining to me :P |
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| 02:03.03 | phunyguy | Hey folks, not sure where to look , but I am on Debian Wheezy, trying out XFCE, and it is a fresh install as a pure XFCE. I cannot seem to find an icon theme that works correctly, and I think the issue may be gtk2/gtk3 related. Any ideas on a nice looking set that plays well with both? |
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| 02:03.26 | Pei | tronje: tell her about theb0x.org ;) |
| 02:03.27 | tronje | Pei: and since "im some kind of IT guy" i just need to get my magic hat and fix things :P |
| 02:03.34 | Pei | rofl |
| 02:03.37 | Pei | nice |
| 02:04.07 | moof2 | drfoo, look into xargs |
| 02:04.13 | stew | DrFoo: sed 's,/some/dir/,' foo.txt | xargs mkdir -p |
| 02:04.18 | stew | err |
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| 02:04.26 | stew | DrFoo: sed 's,^,/some/dir/,' foo.txt | xargs mkdir -p |
| 02:04.50 | moof2 | was gonna say, missing comma :) |
| 02:05.06 | Pei | missing carrot =) |
| 02:05.07 | DrFoo | will that change the file? or do I pipe to sed? |
| 02:05.08 | stew | you might change that to "xarg echo mkdir -p" first to make sure it looks like a sane command then get rid of the echo |
| 02:05.34 | stew | it will not change the file, you can feel free to pipe to sed instead |
| 02:05.35 | Pei | lol |
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| 02:06.00 | stew | it would change the file with -i |
| 02:06.03 | tronje | Pei: maybe you want to modify the favicon at some point of time |
| 02:06.14 | Pei | maybe |
| 02:06.30 | Pei | i kind of want to play with httpd alternatives |
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| 02:09.02 | moof2 | there's nginx, aolserver, and many languages actually have the pieces of httpds built in so you can put together enythign you want |
| 02:09.16 | Pei | yeah i wanted to try nginx |
| 02:09.40 | Pei | neat |
| 02:10.43 | moof2 | pretty sure perl, python, tcl have modules that can be combined to form an efficient httpd |
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| 02:17.58 | mmnicolas | 'python -m CGIHTTPServer' and boom, a web server. |
| 02:18.02 | tronje | is ther an other potent media player like vlc that is not such qt-dependent? |
| 02:18.11 | tronje | such -> so |
| 02:18.25 | moof2 | does it really make a boom sound when it starts? |
| 02:18.56 | Pei | yeah, if it does i'd definately be interested in using it |
| 02:19.04 | mmnicolas | moof2: it is not required but is traditional to the user who type it |
| 02:19.24 | mmnicolas | he makes it with his mouth |
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| 02:19.51 | gnarface | tronje: mplayer is pretty good and not dependent on any toolkit, qt or otherwise |
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| 02:20.23 | Pei | yeah but good luck finding a decent gui or front-end for it |
| 02:20.39 | gnarface | i just write bash wrapper scripts :-/ |
| 02:20.40 | Pei | :P |
| 02:20.54 | gnarface | its not ideal |
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| 02:21.02 | Pei | yeah |
| 02:21.28 | j_v | lower resource usage than vlc, though |
| 02:21.43 | moof2 | there's gmplayer |
| 02:22.04 | gnarface | now, i like vlc generally. though their windowing and menus themselves are possibly its most ghetto part. |
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| 02:22.12 | gnarface | in the past i've also used xine frequently |
| 02:22.25 | pmo | clvc works fine ;) |
| 02:22.38 | pmo | err cvlc* |
| 02:22.46 | pmo | it comes with vlc too |
| 02:22.48 | Pei | =) |
| 02:22.56 | gnarface | xine uses its own toolkit, doesn't it? |
| 02:23.03 | Pei | yes |
| 02:23.08 | gnarface | looks pretty sexy |
| 02:23.17 | Pei | hence it;s ghettoness |
| 02:23.18 | pmo | there is also nvlc if you like ncurses |
| 02:23.18 | gnarface | functionality... well its no vlc |
| 02:23.22 | Pei | xine? sexy? |
| 02:23.27 | Pei | we talking about the same app here |
| 02:23.39 | gnarface | it is! in a 90's sorta way... |
| 02:23.44 | Pei | :P |
| 02:24.03 | gnarface | there was another one a long time ago |
| 02:24.06 | gnarface | i forget what it was called |
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| 02:32.24 | tronje | Pei: moof2 nevyn bye |
| 02:32.32 | Pei | l8 |
| 02:32.33 | Pei | hm |
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| 02:53.44 | Aspire-Revo-User | . |
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| 02:53.50 | Aspire-Revo-User | Can anyone recommend a high quality VNC viewer? The one I'm using is crap. |
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| 03:02.49 | zeroxia | In which ways is it crap? I think as long as the network is fluent, VNC should be smooth. |
| 03:03.21 | Aspire-Revo-User | my router has a 5mb connection over wifi |
| 03:03.36 | Aspire-Revo-User | connecting via android nexus 7 client works perfect |
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| 03:03.49 | Aspire-Revo-User | the linux client vingre laggs |
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| 03:09.51 | zeroxia | Oh, I thought you wanted something to replace vncviewer... |
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| 03:13.07 | Aspire-Revo-User | i round one already. remmina was the answer i was looking for |
| 03:13.14 | Aspire-Revo-User | found^ |
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| 03:14.45 | Skaag | I have a really strange issue with a usbserial adapter, which works fine in windows with an external rs-232 based device, but I can't get it to work under linux |
| 03:15.03 | Skaag | an echo test succeeds (I use minicom, and I can see what I'm typing being echoed back) |
| 03:15.16 | Skaag | it's a pl2303 device |
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| 03:42.23 | civillian | Is there a way to monitor ext3 filesystem activity / accesses? |
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| 03:44.15 | moof2 | is there something that physically holds a microsd card, and then the combination becomes like a usb key? |
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| 03:47.52 | somiaj | moof2: #hardware, but look up usb sd card readers |
| 03:49.14 | moof2 | somiaj, headning there now |
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| 03:53.05 | themill | moof2: coincidentally from #d on oftc a similar conversation: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2110781 |
| 03:55.51 | moof2 | themill thank you... is tiger direct pretty safe as a online store? |
| 03:56.30 | themill | nfc |
| 03:56.53 | moof2 | ok, I'll check it out |
| 03:56.57 | themill | That link also says "sold out" -- it was more just a "yes that sort of thing does exist" link |
| 03:57.39 | moof2 | it also says sold out... so, it's moot :) |
| 03:58.26 | DrFoo | I need to remove the the lines found in file1 from file 2, if found. How can this be done? |
| 03:59.40 | moof2 | DrFoo, it would be hard but ed or sed can be used for those kinds of things (you'd have to write stuff) |
| 03:59.43 | somiaj | DrFoo: many tools could do that. diff compares two files, wonder if you can use that to only print the lines that are different (and not create a .diff) file |
| 03:59.48 | zykotick9 | DrFoo: i assume, since you asked in #ubuntu first, that you aren't using debian. try asking in #bash perhaps. ubuntu isn't supported here. |
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| 04:00.33 | DrFoo | I'm on both actually, but I thought I'd try different channel. |
| 04:00.35 | somiaj | looks like diff has a --suprress-common-lines option, wonder if it will only print out the lines that are not common |
| 04:00.42 | somiaj | then you can pipe the output into a new file |
| 04:00.51 | moof2 | zykotick9, one doesn't logically and unambiguously follow from the other |
| 04:00.56 | themill | DrFoo: look at "comm" |
| 04:01.00 | DrFoo | Here's the catch though.. it's more than "what's not common to both" |
| 04:01.02 | somiaj | diff --compare-common-lines file1 file2 |
| 04:01.13 | DrFoo | It has to be file2-file1 |
| 04:01.24 | DrFoo | (for lines that are in both) |
| 04:01.25 | somiaj | sorry, diff --supress-common-lines file1 file2 |
| 04:02.23 | DrFoo | with that, would file1 items (not found in file 2) appear? |
| 04:02.28 | themill | comm -23 file2 file1 |
| 04:02.33 | somiaj | comm does look like teh better tool, listen to themill DrFoo |
| 04:02.51 | moof2 | is comm new? |
| 04:02.55 | DrFoo | cool |
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| 04:03.24 | kingsley_ | Wouldn't it be great to have a list of common algorithms (like sort and regression) along with the computation complexity of each (like linear or log)? |
| 04:03.26 | somiaj | seems it was written by stallman and mackenzie. The copyright is 2012, but I don't know if that means when it was written |
| 04:03.27 | rkeene | ... comm is not new. |
| 04:03.41 | themill | If the 1980s is "new", then yes |
| 04:03.48 | somiaj | my guess is fairly old if stallman is an author |
| 04:05.16 | moof2 | hmm. never seen it before, and I thought at first it was minicom-like |
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| 04:06.11 | kingsley_ | moof2: Maybe you'd also be interested in the "paste" and "join" commands. |
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| 04:06.40 | moof2 | I've used one of those |
| 04:06.42 | herry | what s oss |
| 04:07.02 | moof2 | open sound system? sound card modules |
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| 04:08.22 | moof2 | or maybe open source software? |
| 04:08.36 | herry | a kind of system,which i dont know |
| 04:08.59 | DrFoo | THANK YOU! |
| 04:09.06 | moof2 | can you say more about the context where you heard the term? |
| 04:09.07 | DrFoo | comm rocks! |
| 04:09.25 | herry | the linux channel |
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| 04:10.08 | zykotick9 | !tell herry about oss |
| 04:10.13 | moof2 | well then I'd say most things they'd discuss there are open source already, so maybe they're talking about a sound system |
| 04:11.21 | herry | OSS4 ,they discuss |
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| 04:11.51 | moof2 | yeah, that's the sound drivers |
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| 04:12.44 | herry | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 04:38.25 | DrFoo | any way to pass 2 args through a pipe? Want to pass a source and a target to ln... |
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| 04:42.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | DrFoo: must it be a pipe? You could do something like ln `generate_the_two_args ...` |
| 04:43.24 | DrFoo | nope. doesn't have to be a pipe. I like that approach. Thx |
| 04:44.05 | DrFoo | wait... |
| 04:44.16 | DrFoo | it might have to be ... |
| 04:44.53 | DrFoo | I'm starting with a list of sources in a file. Then I piped it through sed to change the path. |
| 04:44.57 | kingsley_ | DrFoo: $ echo a b | while read source target ; do echo $source $target ; done |
| 04:45.45 | kingsley_ | DrFoo: Is that satisfactory? |
| 04:45.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | Might need to quote stuff properly if args contain spaces. |
| 04:46.22 | DrFoo | kingsley: not sure I follow what that code is doing |
| 04:46.27 | kingsley_ | needs to go soon... |
| 04:47.06 | kingsley_ | DrFoo: The code runs under a shell, like "bash" for example. |
| 04:47.39 | DrFoo | oh ; not | sorry ... it's late |
| 04:48.13 | kingsley_ | It begins with "echo a b". That writes the letters "a" and "b" to standard output. |
| 04:49.01 | DrFoo | I think I get it. thx |
| 04:49.12 | kingsley_ | They're piped into the standard input of the subsequent "while" statement by the "|" pipe symbol. |
| 04:49.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | It splits the input into columns and joins it back. |
| 04:49.49 | kingsley_ | DrFoo: Does my humble suggestion solve your problem? |
| 04:49.58 | DrFoo | I think so. |
| 04:50.00 | DrFoo | thx |
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| 04:50.09 | kingsley_ | You're welcome. |
| 04:50.16 | kingsley_ | :-) |
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| 05:19.49 | zeroxia | echo "a1 a2" | grep -o a. |
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| 05:20.06 | zeroxia | This will render two lines of output, but I only want the first match. |
| 05:20.26 | scshunt | head 0n 1 |
| 05:20.30 | scshunt | *-n |
| 05:20.46 | zeroxia | OK |
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| 05:33.11 | chrisirc_ | Hi. Where is this file /usr/share/perl/5.14/I18N/LangTags.pm coming from? dpkg -S doesn't find it (and it's not in /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2/perllocal.pod). |
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| 05:34.00 | themill | perl-modules |
| 05:34.08 | chrisirc_ | Ah huh dpkg -S LangTags.pm finds it. |
| 05:34.17 | chrisirc_ | Thanks |
| 05:34.25 | themill | yeah. dpkg -S and apt-file don't know about symlinks |
| 05:35.17 | chrisirc_ | yeah, I guess that's it. The stupid part is that I resolved symlinks before passing the path to dpkg -S, |
| 05:35.28 | chrisirc_ | but doesn't seem to be the way this works. |
| 05:35.35 | MichaelP | Having trouble getting broadcom wireless working!! |
| 05:35.43 | themill | the symlink is 5.14 -> 5.14.2/ |
| 05:35.44 | chrisirc_ | (I guess dpkg indexes paths as they are put into the package.) |
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| 05:38.01 | chrisirc_ | (Which is kinda stupid, since how would one find a package from the path if one doesn't know the package already. The useful way would be to index the expanded path.) |
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| 05:38.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm installing a Debian on my Nexus 4 by debootstrapping. Now I want to launch the second stage but it complains about missing perl. I reckon PATH and the rest of the env haven't been set yet, as I just chroot-ed. |
| 05:38.42 | themill | chrisirc_: the actual path on disk is /usr/share/perl/5.14.2/I18N/LangTags.pm and that's what dpkg has indexed. |
| 05:38.45 | chrisirc_ | (i.e. what should I do to fix my dpkgS script which currently expands the path then calls dpkg -S on it?) |
| 05:38.48 | histo | !firmware |
| 05:38.48 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 05:38.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there some profile I can source to get the proper env? |
| 05:38.57 | histo | MichaelP: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 05:39.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | On Gentoo I can do something like source /etc/profile but I don't have any /etc/profile here in the minbuild it seems. |
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| 05:41.11 | MichaelP | I installed the firmware-linux-nonfree broadcom-sta-sources broadcom-sta-common |
| 05:41.37 | histo | MichaelP: which chipset do you have? |
| 05:41.58 | MichaelP | bcm43xxx |
| 05:42.04 | histo | MichaelP: look up your chipset and pci ID on linuxwireless and see which module/firmware |
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| 05:43.06 | histo | !broadcom |
| 05:43.07 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 05:43.37 | MichaelP | ubuntu and mint uses the broadcom-sta.... arch it uses broadcom-wheel |
| 05:44.30 | mumpitze1 | MichaelP: which bcm is it exactly? |
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| 05:45.00 | chrisirc_ | themill, thanks for pointing this out. Turns out I had a bug in my symlink resolver (I couldn't just use "chase", as that resolves the last part of the path too, whereas dpkg, according to my comments, doesn't expect that one to be resolved) |
| 05:45.30 | MichaelP | mumpitze1, what command will tell me |
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| 05:46.06 | mumpitze1 | lspci -nn |
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| 05:46.20 | themill | chrisirc_: readlink -f ftw. |
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| 05:46.52 | MichaelP | BCM4313 |
| 05:47.17 | chrisirc_ | themill, same as chase. i.e. should not be usable according to my script docs. |
| 05:48.19 | MichaelP | brb |
| 05:48.29 | chrisirc_ | (I'm now actually using it, but as in d=`dirname `readlink -f "$p"``; f=`basename "$p"; echo "$d/$f" |
| 05:48.33 | chrisirc_ | ) |
| 05:48.58 | themill | chrisirc_: hmm... sounds like you've still got the wrong end of this. The package is shipping /usr/share/perl/5.14.2/I18N/LangTags.pm and dpkg's db contains /usr/share/perl/5.14.2/I18N/LangTags.pm. readlink -f gives /usr/share/perl/5.14.2/I18N/LangTags.pm and it all looks fine to me. There happens also to be a 5.14->5.14.2 symlink there that you tests but that's not the canonical name and dpkg doesn't know about it |
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| 05:49.45 | chrisirc_ | themill, in this case it doesn't matter because the last segment LangTags.pm doesn't change through symlink resolving. |
| 05:50.33 | chrisirc_ | themill, the point of the note in my script is that in cases where the last segment itself is a symlink, readlink -f would give a path that's *not* the one that's indexed by dpkg. If that's still how it works. |
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| 05:51.28 | chrisirc_ | The logic being probably, that the last segment, if it's the symlink, is still itself the entity in the package and not its target. |
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| 05:53.06 | themill | yes. You're always going to have fun with packages shipping symlinks to files and symlinks to dirs here. |
| 05:53.39 | blubberdiblub | i want to recompile a package (specifically: vice) which doesn't have the recent version in the source package. is there a tool or package that helps me doing that in a quick and dirty way (i want a first result quickly and easily) or do i just extract the tarball with the recent source over the directory of the extracted source package? |
| 05:53.59 | themill | dpkg: tell blubberdiblub about uupdate |
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| 05:54.34 | blubberdiblub | themill, ah, thank you, that's what i was looking for :) |
| 05:54.48 | zeroxia | Heck is dpkg that intelligent? |
| 05:55.30 | themill | zeroxia: of course! |
| 05:56.27 | histo | Just wish you could get dpkg to stop messaging the sender when they tell someone. |
| 05:56.43 | histo | Obviously the sender knows or why the hell would they be having dpkg tell |
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| 05:57.19 | themill | histo: I think it's worth you knowing exactly what the recipient has been told. Factoids to change over time. You'll cope with the extra 500 bytes on your bandwidth bill. |
| 05:58.10 | histo | I guess I could set my client to ignore PMs from dpkg |
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| 06:00.07 | r0b- | why is Debian Jessie still on 3.2 Kernel? |
| 06:00.39 | adh0c | I want to install the LAMP but substitute PostgreSQL for MySQL. Is it best to install the metapackage and then purge MySQL, or to install each layer individually? |
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| 06:01.19 | themill | r0b-: it will take a while for the new kernel to make it into jessie. last I looked, it wasn't even compiling on all architectures |
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| 06:01.41 | r0b- | ah i see. |
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| 06:01.55 | themill | https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linux&suite=sid still failing on powerpc, it seems |
| 06:01.58 | r0b- | wants to run a newer kernel than 3.2 |
| 06:02.11 | r0b- | im trying to get 3.9.4 to compile |
| 06:02.14 | themill | you can always install the kernel form sid |
| 06:02.33 | MichaelP | mumpitze1, got it going in 60 sec.. when i read http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 06:02.40 | r0b- | what all would i need to download themill ? |
| 06:02.48 | themill | dpkg: tell r0b- about tum |
| 06:02.51 | zeroxia | Wow, so linux is reaching 4.0? |
| 06:03.12 | themill | zeroxia: 4.0 is not the number that follows 3.9 |
| 06:03.24 | r0b- | thank you sir! |
| 06:03.57 | mumpitze1 | MichaelP: great |
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| 06:04.16 | MichaelP | some distros are on 3.9.4 |
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| 06:05.50 | r0b- | uhm if Wheezy is stable do i have to hcnage off "Testing" or will it just keep me slowly moving to Jessie? |
| 06:05.55 | MichaelP | kernel .org latested 3.10-rc3 |
| 06:06.05 | blubberdiblub | 3.2.x is long term support, so there's no need to worry |
| 06:06.14 | r0b- | yes |
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| 06:07.28 | r0b- | ok hopefully this doesnt BREAK my PC |
| 06:07.47 | MichaelP | Hows come laptop battery life sucks under linux... 6 hour battery 3 1/2 hours in linux |
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| 06:08.31 | blubberdiblub | r0b-, testing will pull in jessie. so if you want to stay on wheezy, make sure your sources.list says "wheezy" |
| 06:08.42 | r0b- | im keeping it "Testing" |
| 06:08.46 | r0b- | :-) |
| 06:08.55 | r0b- | so i never have to dist upgrade. |
| 06:09.01 | themill | not true |
| 06:09.26 | r0b- | ? |
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| 06:09.59 | themill | from time to time, you'll need to use "dist-upgrade" to pull in regular updates for jessie |
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| 06:10.06 | r0b- | ok |
| 06:10.12 | r0b- | but i odnt have to Reinstall |
| 06:10.31 | r0b- | meh im removing the SID repo. |
| 06:10.37 | r0b- | it will throw my upgrade off |
| 06:10.52 | r0b- | i dont wanna upgrade everything ti SID |
| 06:11.23 | r0b- | because if my memory is correct "SID" is NOT STABLE |
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| 06:11.49 | themill | r0b-: neither is jessie |
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| 06:12.34 | r0b- | themill, i am not going to switch my Repositories too Wheezy |
| 06:12.46 | r0b- | though i guess i could |
| 06:13.21 | r0b- | oh it is "wheezy" |
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| 06:14.22 | themill | if you've been running with jessie or testing for a while and have been running upgrade/dist-upgrade, it's already too late to change them back to wheezy |
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| 06:14.55 | r0b- | hasnt upgraded. my Apt/sources.list was WHEEZY |
| 06:15.07 | r0b- | wont risk his system |
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| 06:15.10 | themill | personally, I'd recommend you keep it that way |
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| 06:15.17 | r0b- | i shall. |
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| 06:16.55 | r0b- | thank you themill :-) |
| 06:17.04 | stimoceiver | hello, lets say i have a package that is in the main debian repository, but i've added another repository to sources.list with a more current version of that package. how do i tell apt to use the new repo? |
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| 06:17.23 | jargon | stimoceiver: pinning |
| 06:17.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do I get a proper environment (PATH etc.) after chrooting into a Debian system? |
| 06:17.56 | MichaelP | I went from Wheezy to Sid.. Then reinstalled back to Wheezy.. Sid was a little shaky |
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| 06:18.02 | jargon | stimoceiver: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 06:18.36 | stimoceiver | jargon: thanks ! |
| 06:18.39 | r0b- | MichaelP, that is why i will stick to Wheezy. i remember when i was using Wheezy in "beta" and it crashed alot |
| 06:19.04 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: chroot doesn't change $PATH. Do you have a different architecture inside your chroot compared to outside? |
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| 06:19.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: it's a Debian armhf chroot on an Android system. |
| 06:19.50 | jargon | stimoceiver: u're welcome :-) |
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| 06:20.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | I know chroot doesn't do it. |
| 06:20.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | But I still need a proper env. |
| 06:20.59 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't suppose you're able to pastebin some real output to help us understand what you're doing here? |
| 06:21.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | I can. |
| 06:21.59 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: btw with qemu-static you can enter an armhf chroot on your i386 or amd64 system if that helps finish off the debootstrap |
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| 06:23.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: http://paste.debian.net/7492/ |
| 06:24.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: I guess $PATH is wrong. This is a minbuild btw. |
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| 06:24.50 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: so does /usr/bin/perl exist inside the chroot? Can you run it? |
| 06:26.02 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: «export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin» then run debootstrap should be sufficient if perl is already there |
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| 06:28.09 | Baahtti | Hi. What is the best method of putting a Debian Live iso unto a USB stick to run live or install? |
| 06:28.58 | fuqi | using windows |
| 06:28.58 | themill | just about any way other than unetbootin |
| 06:29.00 | fuqi | ? |
| 06:29.05 | fuqi | yea |
| 06:29.15 | fuqi | unetbootin works aswell |
| 06:29.24 | themill | no, it doesn't.... |
| 06:29.26 | Baahtti | I'm on Windows right now, yeah |
| 06:29.28 | fuqi | ofc it does |
| 06:29.29 | fuqi | i used it |
| 06:29.37 | themill | fuqi: it very often doesn't. |
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| 06:29.53 | fuqi | maybe you tryed to boot it from efi mode |
| 06:29.55 | Baahtti | I'm definitely looking for a common method that seems to work well. |
| 06:29.56 | themill | We don't understand why, but the debian installer frequently fails if you use unetbootin |
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| 06:30.00 | fuqi | then it won't work |
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| 06:30.39 | fuqi | with non efi it works every time for me |
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| 06:30.46 | themill | no, it does not. |
| 06:30.54 | Baahtti | I've installed Ubuntu a few times flawlessly. I'm interested in making the switch to Debian because I hear such wonderful things about it. Unfortunately every time I've tried to install Debian in the past it never works. |
| 06:30.56 | fuqi | for you :) |
| 06:31.09 | themill | fuqi: for lots of people who come in here day in day out. |
| 06:31.18 | darinschmidt | hello, im using proxmox (debian based) and im trying to configure fcip (ip over fiber channel) i got it to work in solaris, but im not a linux guru. it uses fcip, which i cannot find in debian |
| 06:31.19 | fuqi | i'm sure they use efi boot |
| 06:31.28 | themill | fuqi: this is before anyone even had efi machines. |
| 06:31.34 | darinschmidt | i read something some time back that this feature was taken out of linux? |
| 06:31.40 | themill | dpkg: tell darinschmidt about proxmox |
| 06:32.22 | darinschmidt | oh god, her we go, i take it that its not good |
| 06:32.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: yes, perl is there... but isn't there an equivalent of Gentoo's "source /etc/profile" to get the full env set up properly? |
| 06:32.38 | themill | darinschmidt: we can't really tell you anything about proxmox. |
| 06:32.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | (and /usr/bin/perl --help works) |
| 06:33.10 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: *if* that file is already there then that will work fine. |
| 06:33.13 | darinschmidt | i was just wanting to know if this feature was taken out of linux |
| 06:33.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: there's no /etc/profile... I guess that's created during the 2nd stage? |
| 06:33.55 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: yeah, I was afraid of that. Still, I think all you really need is PATH at this stage |
| 06:34.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill: alright, I'll try that, thanks. I was worried it might need other stuff. |
| 06:34.17 | themill | darinschmidt: given that one of the big differences of proxmox is their kernel, you really need to talk to them about that. |
| 06:35.26 | darinschmidt | does debian have it? |
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| 06:36.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Longshot misc question: any chance I can suppress the noexec/nodev mount options for a particular directory under a noexec/nodev-mounted fs? |
| 06:37.05 | themill | darinschmidt: there are various FC-related things enabled in the debian kernel, yes. Whether it's the one you want I don't know. Whether it's in the kernel you actually have, I have no way of knowing in any case.# |
| 06:37.34 | darinschmidt | thats fine, i was just wondering if it was there or not, i couldnt find much about it online |
| 06:37.41 | darinschmidt | i'll continue looking, thanks |
| 06:37.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Actually I guess I can just remount without nodev, it should be fine for Android's /data. |
| 06:38.07 | themill | darinschmidt: if you know the actual kconfig key, you can /msg judd kconfig $key. But that won't help you with proxmox anyway |
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| 06:38.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hrm, they use nosuid too. |
| 06:39.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess I can see why Lil' Debi devs decided to create an entire FS. |
| 06:39.14 | Baahtti | so if i format a USB stick and then just move the iso onto the USB stick, it should be fine for running both Live as well as Install? |
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| 06:40.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | Baahtti: such an USB stick won't boot |
| 06:40.40 | Baahtti | Eduard_Munteanu, yeah that's what I thought |
| 06:40.50 | themill | dpkg: tell Baahtti about usb install |
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| 06:41.20 | themill | Baahtti: I have no idea how the live people suggest making their bootable usb devices, but that's what we'd do for the debian installer images |
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| 06:43.11 | blubberdiblub | Eduard_Munteanu, you can bind mount the directory onto itself and then remount that directory with your changed options and the bind option |
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| 06:43.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | blubberdiblub: hm, thanks, I was looking into bind mounting, wasn't sure I could specify those options |
| 06:44.15 | Baahtti | themill, hrm. Yes the trouble is it's explaining how to do this if I'm already running linux. I suppose I should try more google-fu now that I know a little bit more of what to look for though. Thank you. |
| 06:44.31 | blubberdiblub | Eduard_Munteanu, you can say "suid", "dev" and "exec", or whichever of them you want |
| 06:44.37 | themill | Baahtti: dpkg told you how to do it under windows too |
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| 06:46.12 | Baahtti | themill, haha, thanks. I missed that the first time. I'll check that out then. |
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| 06:51.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, I see... I can't change options when binding (they take no effect), but further remounts can. |
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| 07:31.38 | jargon | hi |
| 07:32.08 | Skaag | I have a pl2303 and cp210x usbserial devices, hooked up on the same debian box, I run screen /dev/ttyUSB0 9600 on one terminal, and screen /dev/ttyUSB1 9600 on another terminal... when I type stuff on one side, I get junk on the other side. |
| 07:32.14 | Skaag | Any ideas what might be causing this? |
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| 07:33.41 | moof2 | lack of sync? mismatched bitwidth or rate? |
| 07:34.04 | Skaag | rate is the same, at 9600 |
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| 07:34.29 | Skaag | and I just compared the output of stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a with the output of stty -F /dev/ttyUSB1 -a, they are the same |
| 07:34.30 | jargon | Skaag: crap in your Init string? what are u using to connect them? minicom? |
| 07:34.38 | Skaag | just 'screen' |
| 07:35.00 | jargon | what do you mean, just 'screen'? |
| 07:36.08 | Skaag | even with minicom, I get the same results |
| 07:36.20 | Skaag | on the left terminal, I run: minicom -b 9600 -D /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 07:36.21 | moof2 | one way to answer that, is what is the complete script that sets the port up? |
| 07:36.29 | Skaag | on the right terminal, I run: minicom -b 9600 -D /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 07:36.38 | Skaag | I type "abc" and on the other side I see "O'N" |
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| 07:37.11 | Skaag | I'm not setting the port up in any way, I let minicom do its default stuff. hardware and software flow controls are both off. |
| 07:37.24 | Skaag | I just set the baud rate... they are both set to 9600N81 |
| 07:37.30 | jargon | Skaag: in minicom in the "Modem and dialing" screen, what do you see in "Init string"? |
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| 07:37.46 | Skaag | I emptied that in advance |
| 07:37.49 | Skaag | it's currently empty |
| 07:38.01 | jargon | Skaag: "Reset string" too? |
| 07:38.05 | Skaag | checking |
| 07:38.10 | Skaag | yes, both empty |
| 07:38.15 | jargon | hhmm |
| 07:38.20 | jargon | i'm stumped, then |
| 07:38.22 | Skaag | this has been driving me nuts for days |
| 07:38.35 | Skaag | I tried everything in the book |
| 07:38.56 | Skaag | I know the hardware is ok because it works on a crap windows laptop running windows shit seven |
| 07:39.14 | Skaag | and that humiliates me even more :) |
| 07:39.18 | jargon | Skaag: try #networking. maybe they can help? |
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| 07:39.27 | Skaag | good idea |
| 07:39.32 | Skaag | thanks |
| 07:39.35 | AlexM_ | it works on windows cause its broken by design :-P |
| 07:39.37 | jargon | u're welcome |
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| 07:49.40 | Skaag | when I type (a) 0110 0001 I get (N) 0100 1110 |
| 07:49.45 | Skaag | second nibble is exactly reversed |
| 07:49.53 | Skaag | first, not exactly reversed... |
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| 07:50.02 | Skaag | some devil's trick! |
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| 07:50.18 | jargon | lol sorry,man |
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| 07:51.34 | Skaag | I suspect because I'm on ARM |
| 07:51.47 | Skaag | some kind of big endian / little endian bug |
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| 07:52.43 | zeroxia | Well endianness is on byte, not bit. |
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| 07:53.27 | Skaag | agree |
| 07:53.33 | Skaag | so this is just some weird driver bug |
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| 07:59.08 | Woet | I've added a new disk to my VM but it's not getting an uuid. It's not listed in blkid or /dev/disk/by-uuid. How do I give it an uuid? |
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| 07:59.40 | BenNZ | Woet: is it listed with sudo fdisk -l ? |
| 07:59.45 | Woet | yes, BenNZ |
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| 08:00.23 | Vardan | hi all |
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| 08:00.54 | BenNZ | Woet: not sure sorry |
| 08:00.59 | Vardan | people how can I turn on mouse windows switching on alt+tab? |
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| 08:01.44 | jargon | what means mouse windows switching on alt+tab? |
| 08:01.57 | Woet | BenNZ or anything else: http://pastebin.com/EccaSE6y |
| 08:01.59 | Woet | anyone * |
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| 08:02.05 | klys | find a window manager which supports alt-tab and load it from ~/.xsession or ~1/xinitrc |
| 08:02.20 | klys | s/~1/~/ |
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| 08:06.17 | Vardan | I mean when I hold alt+tab and move mouse it switching between windows' icons |
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| 08:06.58 | Vardan | it's really prevent |
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| 08:07.42 | Vardan | klys: sorry, but I didn't understood what to do :) |
| 08:08.18 | Zumochi | Hello, I've upgraded to Wheezy on my laptop a while ago, but I found that I didn't have the latest kernel installed (3.2.0-4-amd64) so I installed it. However I'm having a problem every time I boot for the first time, so to say: after runlevel 1 is gone through, the screen goes to the native resolution and then stays blank. It loads just fine, though: I can login and manually start X, or I can |
| 08:08.18 | Zumochi | reboot and then the problem goes away... Any help? |
| 08:08.32 | Zumochi | When I go back to the old kernel, I do not have this problem |
| 08:08.37 | klys | and you want to be able to click on one of those icons? haven't ever seen that before. |
| 08:09.13 | Vardan | klys: no, I want that on mouse move not to switch between icons |
| 08:09.46 | Vardan | because mostly I'm working on keyboard and not use mouse, but when I quickly want to switch between windows |
| 08:09.47 | klys | simply moving the mouse at all? or the scroll wheel on the background? |
| 08:09.58 | Vardan | it switched to wrong one because mouse was moved :) |
| 08:10.13 | themill | oh... focus follows mouse? |
| 08:10.27 | klys | you probably did the scroll wheel on the background afaict |
| 08:10.31 | Vardan | both and scroll and move |
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| 08:11.02 | Vardan | in that case on move in all windows it will scroll, right? |
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| 08:11.26 | Vardan | in real I think my debian didn't correctly recognize that my USB mouse is USB mouse :) |
| 08:11.46 | Vardan | I have touchpad too |
| 08:11.48 | themill | Vardan: what window manager or desktop environment are you using? |
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| 08:12.13 | Vardan | Debian wheezy stable, Gnome 3.4.2 |
| 08:12.51 | klys | zumochi |
| 08:13.20 | klys | you're probably using an incorrect fb (framebuffer) driver. have you tried vesafb? |
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| 08:13.31 | Zumochi | klys: use default I guess |
| 08:13.54 | klys | zumochi: does your kernel command line set the resolution? |
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| 08:14.53 | Zumochi | Wonderful |
| 08:14.54 | klys | actually it sounds like when udev is loading the *fb module it's changing to framebuffer but your display is incompatible. |
| 08:15.06 | Zumochi | I see |
| 08:15.19 | klys | can your display handle 640x480 resolutions? |
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| 08:15.28 | Zumochi | Yes |
| 08:15.43 | klys | that should be the default |
| 08:15.56 | Zumochi | I think that is the default |
| 08:16.04 | Zumochi | It automatically switches to the native resolution though |
| 08:16.09 | klys | you don't have to load the framebuffer driver. |
| 08:16.52 | Zumochi | How would I make that happen? |
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| 08:18.40 | klys | see: ls /etc/module* |
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| 08:19.43 | Zumochi | I have three drivers listed in there: firewire-sbp2, loop and coretemp |
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| 08:21.26 | klys | so obviously udev is loading the *fb driver. look for module-init-tools |
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| 08:22.26 | Zumochi | kmod? |
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| 08:26.06 | Vardan | hehe I'm right :) |
| 08:26.15 | Vardan | here how I found the issue :) |
| 08:26.38 | Vardan | using xinput I found " Mouseemu virtual mouse id=16" |
| 08:27.06 | Vardan | also I have "USB Optical Mouse id=13" |
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| 08:27.21 | Vardan | I tried to test USB Optical Mouse xinput test 13 |
| 08:27.33 | Vardan | when I move and click my mouse no action |
| 08:28.03 | Vardan | but when I tried test id=16, it shows up my actions, but in real I'm using USB mouse not touchpad |
| 08:28.11 | Vardan | now question :) how to correct this? |
| 08:29.03 | Vardan | the strange thing is that when I testing USB mouse and touch touchpad it shows actions :) |
| 08:29.32 | Vardan | my system understood USB as touchpad and touchpad as USB mouse |
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| 08:36.55 | Zumochi | I still have no idea what to do ;_; |
| 08:37.26 | Zumochi | Do I have to add the framebuffer driver to the blacklist?> |
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| 08:39.09 | klys | make sure the *fb driver is in `lsmod' as a module |
| 08:39.48 | Zumochi | And how do I add it to that? |
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| 08:40.08 | klys | if it's not there, the driver is built-in to the kernel. |
| 08:40.51 | klys | in that case, framebuffer is loaded (and changes the resolution) before the kernel hand control over to /sbin/init |
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| 08:41.26 | Zumochi | Not in there^^ |
| 08:41.33 | feria90 | hi guys |
| 08:41.42 | feria90 | plzz help me |
| 08:41.46 | feria90 | i want to rebuild php |
| 08:41.47 | klys | there should be something in Documentation (a command-line parameter) that would allow you to load the kernel without the framebuffer. |
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| 08:42.04 | feria90 | i had build php cgi befor that |
| 08:42.23 | feria90 | now i want build php-fpm |
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| 08:42.30 | feria90 | but when i rebuild |
| 08:42.35 | Vardan | any help for me? |
| 08:42.54 | klys | look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb |
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| 08:43.20 | feria90 | i have i problem . they say i have multi SAPI |
| 08:43.45 | themill | feria90: php5-fpm is already in Debian 7.0 (Wheezy) |
| 08:43.46 | feria90 | how do i what to rebuild php-fpm |
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| 08:43.56 | klys | vardan your touchpad is till usb. it probably shows up in lspci -vvv |
| 08:44.00 | feria90 | i combines in source |
| 08:44.01 | klys | s/till/still/ |
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| 08:48.53 | Vardan | is there a place where I can set that touchpad is /dev/... and usb mouse is /dev/.... ? |
| 08:48.54 | theothertom | Is there a way to tell preseed to not retry in the case of missing packages ? It seemed like D-I just keeps trying to install them forever |
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| 08:51.32 | Nirvash | Anyone know if Wheezy supports hotswapping of sata drives? |
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| 08:56.00 | mumpitzel | Nirvash: basically any ahci connected drives are hotswappable |
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| 08:56.29 | Nirvash | AHCI? |
| 08:56.34 | mumpitzel | yes ahci |
| 08:56.41 | Nirvash | I don't know what that is |
| 08:56.55 | mumpitzel | then maybe you should look it up? |
| 08:56.56 | fitzdsl | Hello. Is there anyway to force which package to install when I have a dependency like "Depends: erlang-base | erlang-base-hipe" ? |
| 08:57.07 | mumpitzel | it also helps to look into your BIOS |
| 08:57.11 | fitzdsl | I didn't find it in apt_preferences |
| 08:57.12 | Nirvash | mumpitzel: Did |
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| 08:57.28 | Nirvash | Is there a way to know what device a drive will show up as? |
| 08:57.35 | mumpitzel | fitzdsl: install apt-get install package erlang-base and it will install the first one when the package depends on either |
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| 08:57.52 | fitzdsl | how to tell apt to always install erlang-base-hip when it defaults to erlang-base |
| 08:57.54 | mumpitzel | Nirvash: dmesg, blkid |
| 08:57.59 | Svetlina | apt-get or aptitude which shall i use? |
| 08:58.00 | Nirvash | Like will the only drive connected to a pc be sda always? |
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| 08:58.27 | mumpitzel | Svetlina: the one you like better |
| 08:58.49 | fitzdsl | mumpitzel: my package depends on erlang-base OR erlang-base-hipe and apt default to install erlang-base. I would like apt to install erlang-base-hipe by default |
| 08:58.53 | fitzdsl | is that possible ? |
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| 08:59.08 | fitzdsl | with pinning / preference ? |
| 08:59.11 | mumpitzel | fitzdsl: then change your package? |
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| 08:59.51 | fitzdsl | I'm not maintainer and I don't want to repackage it. It's just the default choice of apt I'd like to change. There must be a way to tell |
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| 09:01.45 | moof2 | sounds like you want to rebuild a package after setting something |
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| 09:03.29 | no_gravity | Hello! I often have this situation: I want to copy a file to another machine that I have ssh access to. Normally I mount the other machine via sshfs. Is there a quicker way? |
| 09:03.48 | moof2 | scp |
| 09:04.26 | moof2 | like cp except using ssh |
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| 09:04.50 | no_gravity | moof2: "scp my_file my_host.com:/the/path/"? |
| 09:05.05 | moof2 | or |
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| 09:05.45 | moof2 | scp my_file aUserOnMyHost@my_host.com:/the/path/ |
| 09:07.10 | moof2 | if you take the / to the immediate right of the : away, then the path is relative to aUserOnMyHost's home dir |
| 09:07.23 | no_gravity | moof2: yeah, seems to work |
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| 09:08.49 | moof2 | example of that last form... |
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| 09:09.01 | moof2 | scp my_file aUserOnMyHost@my_host.com:the/path/ |
| 09:09.22 | moof2 | notice where the missing / is |
| 09:10.15 | moof2 | the file will go to here: /home/aUserOnMyHost/the/path |
| 09:11.05 | moof2 | if you leave user@ out, the user must have the same name as the user that runs scp |
| 09:11.31 | moof2 | for more details, man scp :) |
| 09:12.20 | jpinx | moof2: fwiw the same applies to cp and rsync (and probably others) :) |
| 09:14.16 | histo | jpinx: how are you going to use cp to push a file to another box |
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| 09:14.42 | histo | no_gravity: you could also mount the other machine via fstab |
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| 09:16.32 | no_gravity | histo: you mean via bootup? |
| 09:16.37 | thewanderer1 | hi. I'm on Wheezy. I'm mounting an nfs4+krb5 share, and, as always, I had to specify "allow_weak_crypto=true" in krb5.conf. Is there any way, with kernel 3.8 (I can get 3.9 if needed), to use strong crypto, finally? |
| 09:16.41 | no_gravity | histo: s/via/during/ |
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| 09:16.58 | thewanderer1 | (without allow_weak_crypto, all I get in daemon.log is the usual: rpc.gssd[7050]: ERROR: No credentials found for connection to server sun3.rkaw.pl ) |
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| 09:26.53 | aswen | hi, please help getting wink to work by explaining me how to provide libexpat.so.0 |
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| 09:27.11 | aswen | i use wheezy x84_64 |
| 09:27.35 | klys | # apt-cache search libexpat | grep libexpat |
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| 09:27.49 | aswen | and i want to create a screencast that records/shows my keystrokes, i hope wink can do that |
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| 09:30.25 | aswen | klys, thanx, i've got libexpat1:i386 and amd64 installed, but they provide libexpat.so.1 |
| 09:30.38 | aswen | i need .0 |
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| 09:31.00 | aswen | (or at least that is what wink (ldd wink) complains about) |
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| 09:31.40 | klys | never done a screencast. if you find out how tell me ok |
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| 09:34.49 | klys | you may have to download libexpat0 deb from an older distribution. assuming it's not lenny or older, check pool/libe/libexpat/ for the deb |
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| 09:40.49 | aswen | sure, but if i can't wink to work i have serious doubts if it's possible on linux (if displaying keypresses is a must have like for me) |
| 09:41.34 | aswen | otherwise i might advise you to use recordmydesktop (that is in the deb pkg repo) or byzanz |
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| 09:46.57 | aswen | hmmm, i've got a file libexpat.so.0 in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu but ldd wink still says not found |
| 09:47.15 | aswen | i created a copy /usr/lib/ no difference |
| 09:48.24 | klys | is it a dangling symlink ? |
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| 09:48.59 | aswen | no a real copy of the file |
| 09:49.26 | themill | aswen: can you pastebin your ldd output? |
| 09:49.39 | aswen | sure, on moment |
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| 09:52.13 | aswen | themill, http://paste.debian.net/7535/ |
| 09:52.37 | aswen | i copied the libexpat from the vmware installer dir ;-) |
| 09:54.54 | aswen | oh, and i executed find in /usr/lib with find . but pasted it this way, but forgot to alter the output (so the results should be like /usr/lib/i386 etc) |
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| 09:55.27 | themill | aswen: what does "file /usr/lib//i386-linux-gnu/libexpat.so.0" say? |
| 09:56.40 | aswen | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libexpat.so.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, not stripped |
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| 09:57.20 | aswen | themill, thanx, that clarifies a lot, i should search for a i386 variant if i understand this right? |
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| 09:58.30 | themill | aswen: that might work for you, yes. That software really needs recompiling against libexpat1 |
| 09:59.29 | aswen | themill, thanks. i will search that file then, any hints? (it's not in squeeze even) |
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| 10:00.58 | themill | aswen: archive.debian.org or snapshot.debian.org |
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| 10:10.21 | exarkun | Debian Wheezy RC2, how do I make the power button on my laptop hibernate instead of suspend? |
| 10:10.30 | aswen | themill, can't find it there, however, if i may believe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wink/+bug/185868/comments/11 it should be solved in this version of wink for debian... (it isn't solved though) |
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| 10:12.51 | aswen | but i am affraid there is no active development anymore on this package... |
| 10:13.24 | aswen | anyone has a hint for a package that can create a proper screencast with keypress display? |
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| 10:14.19 | babilen | aswen: "apt-cache search screencast" lists a view -- You can always use a third-party tool to display keypresses as well. |
| 10:14.27 | babilen | *few :-( |
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| 10:15.27 | lancelot_of | hi there i'm trying to change x cursor theme through Xdefaults but i get the right cursor in the terminal and the one setted through update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme on all the other windows, what's going wrong?any suggestion?how to fix? |
| 10:16.13 | aswen | babilen, thanks, i just try them all.... |
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| 10:23.06 | aswen | ok, i have to stick to recordmydesktop which doesn't record keypresses |
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| 11:00.30 | DarsVaeda | is there a somewhat "safe" way to install oracle java? seems many sites won't work with the icedtea-plugin |
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| 11:03.03 | jelly-home | DarsVaeda: get the jre tarball, make it into a package with make-jpkg tool from "java-package" package |
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| 11:04.44 | DarsVaeda | okay I'll try that thanks |
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| 11:06.26 | fraff | Hi all, I've got a strange bug on debian wheezy, "su -c ssh-add $USER" shows ssh-add's passphrase as I type it, can anyone confirm ? |
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| 11:13.59 | zoplrdb | Shouldn't you quote the part after -c? |
| 11:14.30 | thewanderer1 | zoplrdb, he's calling ssh-add without arguments as user $USER |
| 11:14.41 | zoplrdb | Ah right, my bad |
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| 11:15.52 | thewanderer1 | fraff, judging by an analogous experience with screen (screen is unable to open a session after su'ing), I would say that `su` loses the pty and this is why it can't mask the characters |
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| 11:17.45 | thewanderer1 | fraff, on my system, the manpage states that -c does not pass the TTY down to the chosen binary, so you can not use it to execute interactive programs |
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| 11:18.10 | bw_ | it there a lib in debian for using color when shell scripting? i find those aliases with escape-seqs kinda suboptimal |
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| 11:26.24 | klys | bw_: alias ls='ls --color' |
| 11:27.05 | bw_ | klys: i'm look for something like: echo -e "${RED} warning" |
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| 11:27.16 | fraff | thewanderer1: make sense ... this is not a bug then |
| 11:27.24 | bw_ | without declaring RED in any script i use |
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| 11:28.24 | klys | bw_ use a script (to include) with the exports for each color (learn the escape sequences) then: . script |
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| 11:28.50 | klys | look for ANSI escape sequences. |
| 11:29.18 | bw_ | klys: i know ... but still i'd like a package which i could source with all colors predefined |
| 11:29.28 | thewanderer1 | fraff, my best guess is security reasons, i.e. preventing crap from taking over root's shell :P |
| 11:30.27 | klys | escape sequences are so simple it's not worth writing a lib. you probably want the package `terminfo'? |
| 11:31.05 | exarkun | Debian Wheezy RC2, how do I make the power button on my laptop hibernate instead of suspend? |
| 11:31.34 | thewanderer1 | exarkun, I told you half an hour ago |
| 11:31.45 | bw_ | klys: tput will do, but still i see a point for a "lib" ;) |
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| 11:32.59 | exarkun | thewanderer1: Sorry, there must be something wrong with my irc setup :( I don't see any messages from you on the topic. |
| 11:33.02 | thewanderer1 | bw_, writing a lib for this is hard enough that nobody would want to do that in Bash - such a lib would need to be portable between terminals, shells, OSes etc... it's not as simple as it seems |
| 11:33.29 | thewanderer1 | exarkun, launch `dconf-editor`, navigate to org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power, there it is |
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| 11:33.51 | exarkun | thewanderer1: Thank you very much |
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| 11:34.40 | bw_ | thewanderer1: hmm, okay, i will stick with tput setaf <colornum> then at least this seem to work for the basic colors |
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| 11:47.11 | hyppias | rsyslog is version 7+ , I see. But Wheezy has 5.6.x. Installing 7 says it's missing some libs that are not installed or too old a version. Is it OK to still try to install V7? |
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| 11:53.45 | klys | hyppias: it's probably asking you to upgrade libc6 to unstable. |
| 11:53.45 | lancelot_of | hi there i'm trying to change x cursor theme through Xdefaults but i get the right cursor in the terminal and the one setted through update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme on all the other windows, what's going wrong?any suggestion?how to fix? |
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| 11:55.12 | hyppias | klys: it needs libc6 >= 2.17, but wheezy will install 2.13x |
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| 11:55.50 | klys | hyppias: then there's really no way forward with this for you unless you want to upgrade to unstable. |
| 11:56.00 | hyppias | ok. thnx |
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| 11:56.23 | burbankboy | Hi. I'm new to Linux so maybe this is a dumb question, but I want to set up a computer terminal on which I'd like to script a couple of behaviors using Python, out of which a few will require video playback or internet browsing |
| 11:56.28 | burbankboy | Will I have to launch into a DE for that? |
| 11:56.34 | burbankboy | Or can these things be launched from commandline? |
| 11:57.02 | asturel | anyone have idea for this kernel oops? http://pastebin.com/XiKMVB2X default wheezy stable kernel |
| 11:58.06 | thewanderer1 | asturel, it's a blind guess, but... you have too many HDMI devices? :P |
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| 11:58.44 | DotHack | thewanderer1: ¨blind¨ guess |
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| 11:58.59 | klys | use the source: you have it crashing at generic_hdmi_init |
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| 12:00.10 | burbankboy | Anyone? |
| 12:00.58 | Warp4 | burbankboy, well what do you want to accomplish with the data you obtain? |
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| 12:01.18 | Warp4 | burbankboy, if you just want to scrape sites, you should be able to use curl from the command line |
| 12:01.26 | b0lt | burbankboy: browsers and video playback can generally be launched from the command line. you don't need a desktop environment. you might need xorg, however. or a framebuffer and players that support it |
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| 12:04.49 | burbankboy | Warp4: I want to launch a browser the way it'd look in a DE |
| 12:04.53 | burbankboy | for the same use |
| 12:05.20 | burbankboy | b0lt: so I need a window manager to launch them? |
| 12:05.21 | burbankboy | Is that what you're saying? |
| 12:05.35 | b0lt | burbankboy: a desktop environment only manages your desktop, and probably includes a window manager. you don't really need either unless you want them |
| 12:05.43 | ykkie | how do I enable contrib packages? pidgin-skype should be in contrib but it doesn't show up in package search |
| 12:05.54 | b0lt | !contrib |
| 12:05.55 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 12:06.00 | burbankboy | Well, what do you call the combination of a DE and WM? |
| 12:06.04 | burbankboy | is that what a shell is? |
| 12:06.25 | b0lt | burbankboy: no. a shell is a program like bash, that interprets commands |
| 12:06.29 | burbankboy | Haha alright. |
| 12:06.34 | b0lt | burbankboy: a WM is part of a DE |
| 12:06.38 | burbankboy | Ok. |
| 12:06.39 | b0lt | in most cases, anyway |
| 12:06.45 | burbankboy | But I can launch a GUI-based app without a WM then? |
| 12:06.46 | b0lt | some you can switch out |
| 12:06.46 | ykkie | b0lt: ty |
| 12:06.52 | burbankboy | Or are you saying that I need a WM, but not a DE? |
| 12:07.00 | b0lt | burbankboy: sure. but you'll have a hard time placing the window |
| 12:07.03 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, you may want to run X in the background, then set your DISPLAY to whatever you ran X on, and finally launch some programs - no WM needed |
| 12:07.14 | b0lt | burbankboy: you don't strictly need either. but a wm is neat. |
| 12:07.16 | burbankboy | b0lt: What do you mean by placing the window? What does that mean in tech terminology? |
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| 12:07.43 | histo | burbankboy: wm's control the placement of windows |
| 12:07.44 | tronje | hi, my wifi is hard blocked after suspend :( |
| 12:07.55 | burbankboy | Sorry but this is confusing me because even though I've tried to learn Linux for a good while, I still don't understand the purpose of a lot of these concepts. Display, window manager, desktop environment, |
| 12:07.58 | b0lt | burbankboy: the window manager manages windows. your browser opens a window. you will not be able to position it or manage it in any other way without a wm. it will be there though |
| 12:08.00 | burbankboy | it's very confusing for me. |
| 12:08.04 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, the window will be placed pretty much randomly... however, check out -geometry parameter of most X apps, they should let you specify what size/placement the window will have |
| 12:08.07 | tronje | and i can't find a way to unblock it without rebooting |
| 12:08.12 | histo | tronje: rfkill unblock whatever |
| 12:08.18 | burbankboy | I don't really understand the abstraction of what they do |
| 12:08.40 | histo | tronje: rfkill list will give you the whatever part you can just reference the identifier number |
| 12:09.00 | burbankboy | b0lt: Okay, so when you launch a GUI-based app, its window is not dependent on an outside resource? |
| 12:09.08 | burbankboy | the window itself is implemented within the app? |
| 12:09.14 | tronje | histo: 2: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: yes |
| 12:09.17 | burbankboy | So its standalone in that sense? |
| 12:09.17 | b0lt | burbankboy: its contents are |
| 12:09.29 | tronje | histo: everything else is not blocked |
| 12:09.36 | histo | tronje: so rfkill unblock 2 |
| 12:09.41 | b0lt | burbankboy: most likely not standalone. it probably uses some gui library to draw the elements. |
| 12:09.48 | b0lt | burbankboy: depends what you mean by standalone |
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| 12:10.06 | tronje | histo: didn't work |
| 12:10.10 | pagios | how can i refresh dns on debian from command line |
| 12:10.11 | tronje | histo: same state |
| 12:10.28 | histo | tronje: it take a second or two |
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| 12:10.51 | thewanderer1 | pagios, there is *no* DNS cache, so you can not refresh anything |
| 12:11.41 | tronje | histo: repeated command, waited some seconds -> no change |
| 12:11.48 | burbankboy | b0lt: Well, I mean, you can't launch a win32 app in msdos. In the same sense, I figured that you'd need a DE to run a GUI-based Linux application |
| 12:11.51 | burbankboy | or a non-cmd application |
| 12:11.55 | burbankboy | or non-graphical or w/e |
| 12:12.02 | tronje | histo: it is a lenovo ideapad s12 - if that is of importance |
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| 12:12.03 | pagios | thewanderer1: problem is if i set my interface ip/gw/dns from a ruby script, and try to issue an ntpdate afterwards i get cannot resolve name, even though from command line it works fine |
| 12:12.15 | histo | tronje: is there a physical or button switch to disable wifi? |
| 12:12.23 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, X.org is a server and GUI apps are X clients. a WM is a special client which draws nice borders around other clients. |
| 12:12.31 | b0lt | burbankboy: the reason you can't do that is because of os calls and a whole lot of other things... it's not strictly that ms dos uses a cli by default |
| 12:12.52 | tronje | histo: yes, but changing it does not show any effect in rfkill... in dmesg i see messages about bluetooth |
| 12:12.57 | b0lt | burbankboy: pretty much the same reason you can't, by default, launch your win32 app on os/2 |
| 12:13.11 | asturel | thewanderer1 it was fine until i didnt installed the -rt kernel |
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| 12:13.25 | asturel | i already removed purged reinstalled kernel |
| 12:13.45 | thewanderer1 | asturel, -rt implies preemption and scheduling changes in kernel threads, so it could break some multimedia drivers, yes |
| 12:13.52 | b0lt | burbankboy: you could perfectly well have a win32 console application that doesn't work in ms dos, even though it doesn't draw any windows whatsoever |
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| 12:14.10 | asturel | but i already purged it |
| 12:14.12 | asturel | reinstalled the default |
| 12:14.30 | funkyv | I downloaded AMD's proprietary drivers for my HD 5850 from their website, but the I can't open the CCC (Catalyst Control centre) after using the gksudo amdcccle command. What's wrong with it? |
| 12:14.44 | asturel | in recovery mode its fine |
| 12:15.07 | thewanderer1 | asturel, probably because recovery mode doesn't try to use sound |
| 12:15.25 | asturel | hmm, now in recovery paniced too |
| 12:16.26 | burbankboy | thewanderer1 and b0lt Thanks for clarifying |
| 12:16.59 | burbankboy | And yeah I know that win32 apps not working in dos inst strictly related to windows (not the software) |
| 12:17.04 | tronje | histo: let me reboot and see if i get it started aagain |
| 12:17.06 | burbankboy | not windows the software* :p |
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| 12:17.31 | burbankboy | but I had the feeling that linux uses some kind of lib that the OS provides in order to render these gui apps |
| 12:17.41 | burbankboy | so if i can launch these things via cmd then thats awesome! |
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| 12:17.51 | burbankboy | youre saying that i wont be albe to place the windows though? |
| 12:17.56 | burbankboy | won't it just boot into fullscreen? |
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| 12:18.11 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, most apps use either some X11 library or GUI toolkits which do the same under the hood |
| 12:18.27 | burbankboy | ah |
| 12:18.38 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, clients will by default be placed... in a mostly random fashion. check if your program supports the -geometry argument, many do! |
| 12:18.40 | burbankboy | So they actually need a WM then? |
| 12:19.02 | burbankboy | maybe WM isnt the right term |
| 12:19.04 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, they don't need a WM, they just connect to X11 *themselves* using the library (over some kind of network) |
| 12:19.14 | burbankboy | hm |
| 12:19.23 | burbankboy | im kinda confused about this server thing |
| 12:19.32 | burbankboy | isnt X something that most people have installed |
| 12:19.38 | burbankboy | in some form |
| 12:19.42 | thewanderer1 | yes, and it's a server |
| 12:19.49 | burbankboy | either as part of a DE or on its own, along with CMD? |
| 12:19.55 | burbankboy | or something like that |
| 12:20.01 | thewanderer1 | clients ("GUI apps") connect to the said X server and tell it to draw stuff |
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| 12:20.34 | burbankboy | so the server servers what? |
| 12:20.34 | burbankboy | apps in general? |
| 12:20.34 | burbankboy | serves* |
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| 12:20.58 | thewanderer1 | it serves graphics to your display, as apps tell it to do :) |
| 12:22.13 | thewanderer1 | when you launch, say, gnome-terminal, it will establish a connection via the X11 protocol to your X server and tell it "draw a new area for me and populate it with some nice colors" etc. |
| 12:22.20 | burbankboy | Linux feels so convoluted to me, and whenever I ask about some Linux concept I feel like I'm not getting a good abstracted explanation that'd help me visualize how Linux actually works |
| 12:22.28 | burbankboy | but rather just a one-line textbook definition of whatever I'm inquiring about (or more than one line) |
| 12:22.43 | burbankboy | Don't mean to sound rude, just expressing my confusion. |
| 12:22.54 | thewanderer1 | one thing at a time |
| 12:23.30 | burbankboy | I wish I could get some sort of abstracted eagle eye view explanation of what all of these things are |
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| 12:23.39 | burbankboy | because all I can find through google are these textbook definitions |
| 12:23.40 | jelly-home | burbankboy: part of the reason is there are layers upon layers of abstractions in place |
| 12:23.53 | tronje | histo: ok, rebooting activates the wikif (in biso the wiki is set to "enable") |
| 12:23.58 | burbankboy | jelly-home: Well I think most things can be explained pretty easily |
| 12:24.12 | burbankboy | even if the technology is complicate |
| 12:24.13 | burbankboy | d |
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| 12:24.33 | burbankboy | And again I'm not trying to sound spoiled. I know that beggars can't be choosers |
| 12:24.41 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, you may want to see this paragraph, especially the diagram on the right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Design |
| 12:24.42 | burbankboy | but I'm having a hard time visualizing all of this and understanding what these things do |
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| 12:25.05 | burbankboy | thewanderer1: Yeah I've seen it before, but I don't, for instance, understand what a network has to do with this |
| 12:25.21 | jelly-home | burbankboy: me too at times, and I've been using it for 20 years |
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| 12:25.25 | burbankboy | or why a server is needed in the first place |
| 12:25.42 | burbankboy | or why programs are called clients |
| 12:26.01 | stew | burbankboy: you know how you can have a web browser running and it can talk to a web server that is running on some other machine by sending requests over a network? |
| 12:26.19 | stew | burbankboy: same thing with programs that want to talk to a server that can display windows on behalf of the client |
| 12:26.28 | burbankboy | yeah i know what a network *is*, but I don't understand how it's relevant to me putting together a non-networked offline terminal |
| 12:26.33 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, X is a program that runs in the background and accepts requests from programs. Programs can't display anything themselves (because they have no hardware access) - they have to ask X to draw windows, buttons, etc (display them to the monitor). |
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| 12:26.50 | burbankboy | okay so X is just the abstraction layer between software and hardware? |
| 12:26.55 | stew | burbankboy: in this case the thing the server serves is resources like display and mouse and keyboard |
| 12:26.56 | burbankboy | or communication layer or whatever |
| 12:27.02 | burbankboy | alright |
| 12:27.20 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, for practical purposes, yes - that is why you need a connection between programs and X, so that programs may ask X to mediate this hardware access for them |
| 12:27.22 | burbankboy | So X is always needed then, for me to be able to run anything at all? |
| 12:27.29 | burbankboy | alright |
| 12:27.45 | burbankboy | does cmd use x? |
| 12:27.47 | stew | no, X isn't always needed |
| 12:28.00 | stew | cmd? isn't that a windows program? |
| 12:28.14 | Warp4 | cmd is a windows "accessory" :) |
| 12:28.17 | burbankboy | whatever linux boots into by default |
| 12:28.20 | burbankboy | the shell |
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| 12:28.29 | Warp4 | burbankboy, no |
| 12:28.41 | stew | burbankboy: that does not involve X |
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| 12:29.01 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, the terminals don't use X, they use a different kind of abstraction, but they still need to mediate the hardware access via some abstraction |
| 12:29.02 | burbankboy | Ok so what you're saying is that Linux boots into shell, and if I want to run any apps I need to first install and run an X server, and that if I want to be able to manage the applicatons' windows |
| 12:29.06 | burbankboy | ill have to also install a window manager? |
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| 12:29.50 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, any apps = any graphical apps, but in general, you're close |
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| 12:30.01 | burbankboy | ok |
| 12:30.15 | asturel | is there a way to prefer ipv4 over ipv6? |
| 12:30.21 | tronje | burbankboy: go for fluxbox :) |
| 12:30.25 | stew | if you want to run any X apps you need an x server. yes, if you want to do anything with the windows, or you want the windows decorated with stuff like titlebars and borders, you'll want a window manager (It would be quite a strange system to have X without a window manager) |
| 12:30.26 | asturel | or how can i remove the ipv6 address from the interface on livecd? |
| 12:30.33 | asturel | since there is no ifconfig |
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| 12:30.42 | burbankboy | So I guess what I want to know is, can I boot apps from the shell without having to first wait for some sort of bloated window manager to load? Can I boot directly into say, a video player, or a browser, straight from CMD? |
| 12:30.54 | b0lt | asturel: no ifconfig? /sbin/ifconfig is not there? |
| 12:30.55 | stew | asturel: what does "ls /sbin/ifconfig" say? |
| 12:30.58 | burbankboy | and when i exit the app, go straight back to the shell? |
| 12:31.16 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, as already established, you need X running to display anything - but once you run X, you can run any graphical program without the need for a WM or a DE |
| 12:31.23 | asturel | on installer* |
| 12:31.27 | asturel | yeah there is no in sbin either |
| 12:31.34 | burbankboy | But X doesn't force me to actually be in some kind of WM, right? |
| 12:31.35 | mumpitzel | burbankboy: yes |
| 12:31.40 | stew | burbankboy: yes, but I don't think this would be a very pleasant way of doing things |
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| 12:31.42 | burbankboy | it just runs in the background of my shell, right? |
| 12:31.49 | stew | no |
| 12:31.50 | burbankboy | stew: How so? |
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| 12:31.55 | b0lt | :S |
| 12:32.01 | tronje | histo: hm, seems the wiki is working now - on suspend to ram and suspend to hdd - well, maybe it was a bug or something the first time Oo |
| 12:32.05 | tronje | *wifi |
| 12:32.10 | mumpitzel | burbankboy: yes, you don't need a WM. if you don't have one you cannot drag any window, have no titlebars, etc |
| 12:32.14 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, by default, X will just display a silly background and a mouse pointer I think - no additional stuff will be launched |
| 12:32.28 | burbankboy | Yeah that's what I was afraid of, because I don't really want to launch some kind of manager |
| 12:32.33 | burbankboy | I just want to launch right into the app :/ |
| 12:32.36 | mumpitzel | burbankboy: the window will be in the upper left corner and stay there |
| 12:32.38 | stew | burbankboy: there are lots of things you'd find undesirable. The browser pops up a file dialog, you have no way of resizing this, or moving this window |
| 12:32.38 | burbankboy | and then jump back to shell again |
| 12:32.54 | mumpitzel | burbankboy: you can do that just fine: ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:32.58 | asturel | ah on target/sbin i found ifconfig.. |
| 12:33.01 | stew | burbankboy: I don't think you'll find that stopping and restarting X for each individual application would be worthwhile |
| 12:33.04 | thewanderer1 | many programs have a -geometry parameter which you should be able to use to place the windows |
| 12:33.13 | burbankboy | stew: Well, that's what I was afraid of |
| 12:33.17 | burbankboy | because that's the effect I'm looking for :/ |
| 12:33.20 | stew | asturel: however to delete an individual ip from a interface, i'd recommend ip instead of ifconfig |
| 12:33.26 | burbankboy | Is there no way to achieve what I want to do? |
| 12:33.33 | asturel | how? |
| 12:33.37 | mumpitzel | burbankboy: starting X takes a lot more time than loading a normal window manager. X itself is a LOT bigger than twm |
| 12:33.40 | asturel | busybox ip doesnt show much help |
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| 12:33.54 | burbankboy | mumpitzel: Yeah I sort of understand this from the way people are talking about it |
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| 12:34.03 | burbankboy | So I don't have any other option? |
| 12:34.06 | thewanderer1 | burbankboy, you may want to see what solution they used over http://webconverger.org/ |
| 12:34.13 | mumpitzel | burbankboy: what exactly do you want? |
| 12:34.16 | thewanderer1 | they probably start X directly or use a very tiny WM |
| 12:34.28 | burbankboy | mumpitzel: Sort of like what thewanderer1 just posted, a kiosk |
| 12:34.36 | burbankboy | except I want to run scripts and commands from the shell inbetween app usage |
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| 12:34.44 | burbankboy | thewanderer1: Alright :) |
| 12:34.51 | burbankboy | Thanks for the tip |
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| 12:35.03 | qman__ | why not launch a wm with a shell open maximized as the background? |
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| 12:35.28 | burbankboy | Well if that's possible then sure |
| 12:35.46 | thewanderer1 | running a WM would actually have its advantages - you could most likely order the shell to wait till the WM exits (= the user has logged out) and then do your cleanup jobs, after which you'll just launch the same WM and apps again |
| 12:35.47 | burbankboy | but then again wouldnt the user be able to sort of mess things up then |
| 12:35.49 | burbankboy | id like to force back to shell once the app is done being used |
| 12:35.55 | burbankboy | and kind of serial process everything |
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| 12:36.21 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I think xinit will exit when you kill the last client |
| 12:36.27 | mumpitzel | burbankboy: there are a gazillion "linux kiosk howto"s out there. haven't you read some yet? |
| 12:36.35 | burbankboy | thewanderer1: Yeah that sounds nice. |
| 12:36.36 | burbankboy | Thanks for the help everyone. :) |
| 12:36.36 | mumpitzel | thewanderer1: it will |
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| 12:37.12 | burbankboy | No, I never thoguht of this project as a kiosk until thewanderer1 pasted that link |
| 12:37.14 | burbankboy | so ill do a bit of googling |
| 12:37.16 | burbankboy | thanks :) |
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| 12:45.49 | johnd | I'm confused about the users that I've created on Wheezy install. I am quite sure I selected "don't allow root login" and then set a root password. Next I created a user, which I login as, when I look in User Accounts it says it is an Administrator account? |
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| 12:46.21 | johnd | is there a difference between root and Administrator please? |
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| 12:49.18 | mumpitzel | johnd: administrator is someone who can use sudo, and root is an actual root user |
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| 12:50.09 | johnd | mumpitzel: thanks, is it ok to login as admin or should I create another account for day to day stuff? |
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| 12:51.01 | tuvwx | i'm running a program that uses a lot of memory. in addition to a swap partition, i created and enabled a swapfile (100GB). the program no longer gets killed by oomkiller, but now, after running for 3+ days, the machine dies. nothing is syslog, no messages whatsoever, just a frozen machine with no signal on the monitors and no ping replies. what could be going wrong here? |
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| 12:51.17 | Warp4 | johnd, create a regular account and if admin privs are needed, grant that account sudo access |
| 12:51.39 | Warp4 | johnd, it's never ever a good idea to log into your machine as root for day to day use (at least that is what i have always been told) |
| 12:51.42 | mumpitzel | johnd: it's ok to log in as admin. before you do anything as root you have to do it via sudo and then enter your password again |
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| 12:51.59 | mumpitzel | Warp4: that's what the debian installer does |
| 12:52.36 | Warp4 | mumixam, ubuntu does |
| 12:52.41 | Warp4 | AFAIK, debian installer doesnt |
| 12:52.49 | Warp4 | ive always had to grant sudo access to my regular user |
| 12:52.53 | Warp4 | when i set up debian |
| 12:52.58 | mumpitzel | when have you installed debian last? |
| 12:53.03 | Warp4 | mumixam, yesterday |
| 12:53.07 | Warp4 | deb 7 |
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| 12:53.29 | Warp4 | and it does that every time i've installed debian since version 4 |
| 12:53.51 | thewanderer1 | Debian grants the user sudo access if you disable "login as root" |
| 12:53.52 | Warp4 | after i install the system the only user in the /etc/sudoers file is root |
| 12:54.06 | mumpitzel | and did you choose "don't allow root login" in your install experience? |
| 12:54.11 | Warp4 | thewanderer1, but i havent seen that option in the installer |
| 12:54.28 | mumpitzel | it's there since at least squeeze or so I think |
| 12:54.32 | Warp4 | then again if it was there ive always never checked it |
| 12:54.43 | Warp4 | then again, i never log in as root anyway |
| 12:55.04 | Warp4 | unless i totally fsck up and have to log into the system in single user mode :) |
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| 12:57.20 | midacts | Hello all, is anyone familiar with a problem where debian will shutdown, yet the computer itself will hang at the shutdown/poweroff screen and never actually poweroff? i have tried both halt -p and shutdown -h -P but both did not work. I didnt have this problem with Debian 6, it started when i did a fresh install to Debian Wheezy |
| 12:57.41 | tronje | hi, i am quite desparate right now - my wifi, after getting it to work by downloading firmware, after having issues with hardware lock after resume (was resolved without me doing anything) is now totally gone :( networkmanger does not list it, ifconfig says no such device ... what the hell? |
| 12:58.37 | mumpitzel | !tell tronje about rfkill |
| 12:58.38 | tronje | currently only my wired network is listed |
| 12:58.40 | asturel | is there a way to do xfs_repair on root? |
| 12:58.51 | mumpitzel | asturel: boot in rescue mode |
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| 12:59.01 | tronje | mumpitzel: it is not listed in rfkill |
| 12:59.06 | asturel | u mean from media? |
| 12:59.30 | asturel | or just in recovery mode? |
| 12:59.30 | mumpitzel | asturel: no I mean boot in rescue mode. look at your grub menu at bootup |
| 12:59.38 | asturel | there is only recovery mode |
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| 12:59.54 | DotHack | midacts: probably some acpi issue with your mainboard |
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| 13:00.06 | DotHack | midacts: compination kernel + chipset |
| 13:00.12 | mumpitzel | asturel: that's it. sorry. it boots debian in single user mode |
| 13:00.23 | johnd | I just cat /etc/sudoers file to see what you guys are talking about, I had to run the Root Terminal it asked for password but my root pw was rejected but it accepted my Admin account pw |
| 13:00.29 | johnd | is that normal? |
| 13:00.37 | mumpitzel | johnd: yes, that's how it works |
| 13:00.44 | asturel | yeah but it still says cant do it |
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| 13:00.52 | mumpitzel | to do stuff as root you have to re enter your user password, as I already wrote above |
| 13:01.08 | mumpitzel | asturel: sudo cat /etc/sudoers then enter your normal password for your normal account |
| 13:01.26 | mumpitzel | and no need for a root terminal to do it |
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| 13:02.21 | guardian | hello, first time I upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. is backup manager for the purpose of upgrading? or is it something that's going to run afterwards? |
| 13:02.55 | johnd | mumpitzel: I used normal Terminal first and got perm denied, so when would I use the root password if I can't login as root and to do stuff as root I enter the user pw? |
| 13:03.01 | asturel | mumpitzel i cant do xfs_repair on mounted system |
| 13:03.19 | mumpitzel | asturel: if you remount it read only you should |
| 13:03.29 | asturel | no it doesnt |
| 13:03.36 | asturel | i can do xfs_repair -n |
| 13:03.37 | mumpitzel | johnd: you never enter the root password |
| 13:03.38 | asturel | if i remount read only |
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| 13:04.17 | asturel | /dev/disk/by-uuid/956c2c15-f851-4956-afa3-d92f169c5907 on / type xfs (ro,relatime,attr2,delaylog,noquota) |
| 13:04.29 | asturel | xfs_repair: /dev/disk/by-uuid/956c2c15-f851-4956-afa3-d92f169c5907 contains a mounted filesystem |
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| 13:05.12 | mumpitzel | asturel: please read the xfs_repair manpage. the part about -d |
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| 13:06.55 | asturel | mumpitzel i read that but it said dangerous :D |
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| 13:07.20 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi i have a no screens found problem .can anyone help with x? |
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| 13:08.31 | mumpitzel | asturel: but it explicitly details your use case, right? |
| 13:08.41 | mumpitzel | fluffybunnyuk_: what videochip? |
| 13:09.25 | fluffybunnyuk_ | nvidia |
| 13:09.48 | mumpitzel | and which drivers did you install? |
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| 13:10.25 | fluffybunnyuk_ | nouveau |
| 13:10.41 | fluffybunnyuk_ | im getting a no screens found problem |
| 13:10.47 | mumpitzel | and again: which videochip is it? |
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| 13:11.25 | fluffybunnyuk_ | nvidia 610 |
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| 13:12.28 | fluffybunnyuk_ | my xorg log is http://pastebin.com/qb9j4F72 |
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| 13:14.05 | zykotick9 | fluffybunnyuk_: before the next time you paste in #d, you should probably see "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" |
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| 13:16.32 | fluffybunnyuk_ | http://paste.debian.net/7562/ there u go :D |
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| 13:18.04 | tronje | hi, my wifi stopped working. its not listed ins slpci anymore, enven not rfkill - any ideas? |
| 13:18.05 | mumpitzel | fluffybunnyuk_: do you have a xorg.conf? |
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| 13:18.20 | zykotick9 | fluffybunnyuk_: is this wheezy or wheeze btw? i personally and zero success with squeeze and nouveau (3d), while under wheezy it works OOTB. |
| 13:18.40 | zykotick9 | s/wheezy or wheezy/squeeze or wheezy/ |
| 13:18.48 | fluffybunnyuk_ | nope its set to autoconfigure |
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| 13:18.59 | mumpitzel | zykotick9: can you look at your wheezy xorg.0.log and tell me what version the xserver is please? |
| 13:19.32 | zykotick9 | mumpitzel: 1.12.4 |
| 13:19.34 | mumpitzel | fluffybunnyuk_: which debian branch is this? |
| 13:19.52 | mumpitzel | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 13:20.00 | fluffybunnyuk_ | squeeze |
| 13:21.07 | petn-randall | Can someone explain to me how escape sequences can execute arbitrary commands? It's about the mod_rewrite vulnerability in apache2 (http://secunia.com/advisories/53154/, CVE-2013-1862). |
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| 13:23.08 | abrotman | that's not a squeeze kernel |
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| 13:23.29 | r0b- | :-( this just isnt fair |
| 13:23.48 | KdgDev | petn-randall: that's not what I'm reading |
| 13:23.58 | mumpitzel | abrotman: I was just googling a bit to see what debian based distro he's running. no luck so far :( |
| 13:23.58 | r0b- | 3.9.4 compiles and installs beautifully on my 32bit system. |
| 13:24.30 | KdgDev | Far as I can tell, the exploit works by certain escape sequences, which allow sending a specially crafted HTTP request. After which, if succesful, arbitrary commands may be executed |
| 13:24.47 | KdgDev | So far as I can tell, you have the HTTP request give you some level of access to something and then you can execute your own commands |
| 13:24.56 | KdgDev | I could be completely wrong, please advise |
| 13:25.01 | klys | r0b: how come you're not using 3.10 ? |
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| 13:25.13 | mumpitzel | klys: it's not stable yet! |
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| 13:25.18 | petn-randall | KdgDev: Maybe misread it. But whatever is in the apache.log, if whatever tool to view it (less, more, cat, etc) will execute stuff from it, it's a problem of the viewing tool. |
| 13:25.41 | thewanderer1 | maybe the exploit authors were targetting emacs... |
| 13:25.46 | petn-randall | KdgDev: "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may allow execution of arbitrary commands but requires the user to view the log file in a terminal emulator." |
| 13:25.47 | r0b- | lol. exactly |
| 13:25.55 | r0b- | but i am still upset |
| 13:25.56 | KdgDev | huh |
| 13:26.26 | KdgDev | and if anything weird happens, what's the first thing an admin does? check the log file |
| 13:26.29 | anddam | I have a stuck mysql service, running "sudo service mysql stop" yields "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!", how do I get more info about the reason why? can I just kill mysql process? (I'm gonna purge mysql and reinstall it) |
| 13:26.40 | KdgDev | I wonder if it happens when you view it in a GUI text editor |
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| 13:27.56 | petn-randall | KdgDev: Yeah, either the author of that advisory just wrote crap, or I'm lacking the basic understanding of how a text viewer should work. |
| 13:28.25 | KdgDev | also, how do you get permission to execute said commands by simply viewing a log |
| 13:28.27 | abrotman | anddam: you can manually kill it .. |
| 13:28.28 | klys | anddam: it probably wasn't running. ps waux; and see if it shows up. |
| 13:28.29 | KdgDev | I don't view logs as root |
| 13:28.31 | KdgDev | so... |
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| 13:28.51 | anddam | klys: it is |
| 13:29.02 | KdgDev | I can understand that maybe they piggyback on the permissions of the user somehow |
| 13:29.05 | anddam | hence my issue |
| 13:29.09 | klys | then just do killall (name of invoked binary) |
| 13:29.10 | KdgDev | but if the user requires root access |
| 13:29.16 | KdgDev | there shouldn't be a problem, i guess |
| 13:29.30 | abrotman | KdgDev: it doesn't require you to view logs as root to exploit the system |
| 13:29.38 | KdgDev | buuuut I'm not a sysadmin by any length of the imagination |
| 13:29.43 | KdgDev | so I'm just theorizing on the spot |
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| 13:30.10 | tronje | how can i find out if my wiki card is broken (hardware)? |
| 13:30.18 | abrotman | wifi ? |
| 13:30.20 | KdgDev | My main point is: how does viewing text make the bug work? That would mean somehow the interpretater is manipulated, yes? |
| 13:30.32 | krababbel | Hi, I want to use a bitmap font. I added a section to my ~/.fonts.conf http://pastebin.com/P8qVZmYG and I did 'fc-cache -fv' and I can see it in 'fc-list' too. Why can't I select it in my GTK Terminal for example? Do I need to logout first? |
| 13:30.40 | midacts | DotHack, i have looked into my shutdown issue being either an ACPI or kernel issue. I am just not sure exactly where to look. Do you happen to have any starting points on that? |
| 13:30.44 | Warp4 | andatche, you could try stopping it the old fashioned way :) |
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| 13:30.53 | Warp4 | anddam, , you could try stopping it the old fashioned way :) |
| 13:30.54 | petn-randall | abrotman: If your viewer executes commands from the file it displays, that would be a security problem of the viewer, right? That's why I'm wondering about this security advisory. |
| 13:30.55 | midacts | DotHack, or is it even something that can be fixed |
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| 13:31.16 | r0b- | now i gotta find out why this same kernel FAILS to install on my AMD64 Debian Wheezy system |
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| 13:31.36 | tronje | abrotman: wifi, yes |
| 13:31.44 | petn-randall | tronje: Did you upgrade to / install wheezy? Chances are you're just missing firmware. |
| 13:31.55 | DotHack | midacts: sorry cant help you with that |
| 13:32.01 | abrotman | petn-randall: if you have sudo rights, or another local exploit, they could be chained together? |
| 13:32.14 | tronje | petn-randall: i sintalled it yesterday and fixed the firmware issue |
| 13:32.28 | tronje | petn-randall: it worked even today in the morning |
| 13:32.38 | r0b- | and i think i screwed up :-( my 32bit Debian is saying "Jessie/SID" |
| 13:32.47 | tronje | petn-randall: after a suspend it was hardware blocked, after reboot it worked again |
| 13:33.03 | petn-randall | tronje: First thing is to check /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog for any errors. |
| 13:33.15 | tronje | petn-randall: and then i was not found anymore - rfkill doesnt see it, ifconfig etc... |
| 13:33.20 | anddam | Warp4: I did, I wasn't sure about possible stray files left behind |
| 13:33.21 | petn-randall | tronje: Oh, it just doesn't work after suspend/resume? |
| 13:33.35 | anddam | Warp4: but since I purged mysql packages it shouldn't harm |
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| 13:33.52 | tronje | petn-randall: first is wasn't working after suspend - i fixed this with rebooting |
| 13:34.12 | tronje | petn-randall: after another suspend it totally stopped working - rebooting is futile |
| 13:34.41 | mumpitzel | tronje: what chip is it? |
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| 13:36.16 | tronje | mumpitzel: broadcom... i had to install the firmawre broadcome-something-something package... the low-power version |
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| 13:36.58 | mumpitzel | broadcom is not a chip |
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| 13:37.57 | ozcanesen | hey rpmbuild can get source from git repository if we were describe repo url in spec file, is it possible with deb's dsc file? where can i find a guide about it? |
| 13:38.08 | tronje | mumpitzel: i can't find out the chip anymore since lspci -nn does not list the card anymore |
| 13:38.28 | mumpitzel | tronje: it sounds like a hardware defect to me |
| 13:39.22 | tronje | mumpitzel: to me too :( - but i'd like to make sure... would lspci list the wifi even if it was hardblocked? |
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| 13:40.47 | r0b- | http://pastebin.com/YZCzCehg this aggravates me. |
| 13:40.49 | r0b- | :-P |
| 13:40.49 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm seeing a strange occurence on Wheezy: acpi-cpufreq refuses to load, returning "No such device". I'm on Intel Core i5-3570. any ideas? |
| 13:41.38 | themill | ozcanesen: debcheckout will get you the current repository if it is available. That checkout isn't for a particular version and isn't necessarily buildable as is (but there should be a debian/README.source if that is the case) |
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| 13:42.31 | antihero | is there a backport for nginx 1.4 yet? |
| 13:42.37 | antihero | how do I searc |
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| 13:44.35 | bytecounter | Hi guys, is it possible to add some header data in biabam mailer? |
| 13:44.45 | antihero | I'm getting bored of rebuilding it |
| 13:45.08 | themill | antihero: backports don't exist until the package is in good enough shape to be in the next stable release. |
| 13:45.25 | themill | antihero: You can check at packages.debian.org/nginx or with /msg judd versions nginx |
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| 13:45.33 | superlinux-hp | hi. at boot time the console changes the font. so I want it to stay the same at boot time |
| 13:46.05 | superlinux-hp | hi. at boot time the console changes the font. so I want it to stay unchanged since grub time. how? |
| 13:47.48 | guardian | please, after dist-upgrading to wheezy, my kernel is still 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae — should it have been upgraded? |
| 13:48.23 | thewanderer1 | guardian, it depends on how you installed the previous kernel - but it not being upgraded is not untypical, nor a bug |
| 13:48.25 | r0b- | hey themill |
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| 13:48.30 | themill | guardian: install the linux-image-686-pae package too |
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| 13:49.37 | guardian | thank you |
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| 13:49.55 | guardian | is there a way to list somehow what could have been upgraded but didn't? |
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| 13:50.03 | superlinux-hp | gtg |
| 13:51.50 | stew | guardian: you were supposed to upgrade the kernel before running dist-upgrade, I thought |
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| 13:52.07 | thewanderer1 | guardian, you should understand that there really wasn't anything to "upgrade", because the package name is different - apt will not automatically install new packages unless they are dependencies |
| 13:52.26 | mnuhmnuh | thewanderer1: libsensors4, lm-sensors, sensord? |
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| 13:52.56 | guardian | thewanderer1: I see |
| 13:53.04 | asturel | i did a fresh install but still got random kernel oops, like http://oi39.tinypic.com/aeuvd0.jpg anyone have idea? |
| 13:53.09 | krababbel | How can I fix font wrong character spacing? I am using a bitmap font. http://s21.postimg.org/leqlgxoyv/Capture.png |
| 13:53.22 | stew | guardian: are you following the upgrade procedure in chapter 4 of the release notes? (you should be) |
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| 13:55.08 | guardian | stew: totally not :( |
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| 13:55.41 | thewanderer1 | mnuhmnuh, sensors work, `modprobe acpi-cpufreq` does not (as if the hardware is pretending it doesn't support EIST or something like that) |
| 13:56.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell guardian -about release notes |
| 13:56.32 | thewanderer1 | I'll boot into Windows (bleh) and see if EIST works from there |
| 13:58.35 | thewanderer1 | okay, now this is weird... "CPU-Z" on Windows seems to show the correct frequency (1.6GHz), but cpufreq on Debian, even with kernel 3.9.4, does not even load the module |
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| 14:04.45 | guardian | is there a way I can know whether the php5-fpm package should have created the /var/run/php5-fpm directory? |
| 14:05.18 | guardian | I created by hand to make everything work again, my setup is configured such as socks are stored in /var/run/php5-fpm/user_name.sock |
| 14:05.55 | guardian | but I'm curious whether /var/run/php5-fpm directory should have existed. google says sometimes it's there by the sole fact of installing the php5-fpm package, sometimes it's not |
| 14:06.01 | guardian | (depending on the distro I guess) |
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| 14:10.20 | stew | guardian: it wouldn't matter if it is created at package run time, since /var/run is empty after a reboot. it would need to be created by an init script |
| 14:10.35 | stew | err i mean "at pacakge install time" not "at package run time" |
| 14:10.40 | guardian | oh yeah |
| 14:10.57 | guardian | forgive my ignorance please |
| 14:11.15 | anddam | dpkg shows "rc mysql-server-5.5 5.5.31+dfsg-0+whee i386 MySQL database server binaries and system database setup" so mysql-server-5.5 is still installed, how can make its status be "n"? |
| 14:11.15 | dpkg | anddam: that's too long |
| 14:11.20 | guardian | guess it's not so good idea to change /etc/init.d/php5-fpm? |
| 14:11.43 | krababbel | Why does my bitmap font not show in 'xfontsel' but it does in 'fc-list'? |
| 14:11.59 | thewanderer1 | anddam, dpkg --purge mysql-server-5.5 |
| 14:12.57 | anddam | thewanderer1: is it the same purge of apt-get/aptitude? |
| 14:13.01 | mayhew | guardian: definitely not a good idea |
| 14:13.04 | anddam | I don't want to drop config files |
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| 14:14.23 | stew | anddam: the only diference between c and n is config files |
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| 14:15.17 | DrFoo | find "$MasterPath" -type f | perl -ne 'print $1 if m/^.*\.([^.\/]+)$/' | sort -u |
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| 14:15.54 | DrFoo | I can't put this into a script and have it work. It only works on the command line. |
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| 14:16.16 | DrFoo | How can I make it script friendly? |
| 14:16.25 | anddam | stew: I see |
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| 14:17.02 | anddam | I still get the "cannot set mysql root password" above, that's in a ncurses dialog, this is the console output https://gist.github.com/anddam/5678184 |
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| 14:17.27 | anddam | I copied my-small.cnf into /etc/mysql/my.cnf before installing mysql-server since I'm on a low spec machine |
| 14:19.33 | stew | my-small.cnf is probably for a REALLY small machine. I wonder if those files are maintained. You probably have a config error |
| 14:19.58 | stew | anddam: you might try enabling an error log if one isn't already enabled. or you can try running mysqld directly as root to get the error in the console |
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| 14:24.57 | Warp4 | anddam, might want to give MariaDB a try |
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| 14:25.39 | Warp4 | and you probably should have put my-small.cnf in place AFTER installing MySQL because the MySQL installation may have overwritten it or may just be using my.cnf all together |
| 14:27.17 | Warp4 | DrFoo, what is "Masterpath"? |
| 14:28.21 | DrFoo | it's just a variable set to a directory. It's essentially the root path for this script. |
| 14:28.32 | Warp4 | what error are you getting? |
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| 14:28.58 | DrFoo | nothing. just no output. I think the print in the perl statement is not being piped to sort when executed from a script |
| 14:28.58 | petn-randall | tronje: If lspci doesn't even show the PCI card, it's quite likely dead. |
| 14:29.29 | tronje | petn-randall: :( |
| 14:29.32 | petn-randall | tronje: Try a different PCI slot, maybe the mobo is just broken. |
| 14:29.33 | mniip | E: Internal Error, No file name for python2.7:amd64 |
| 14:29.36 | mniip | what does that even mean |
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| 14:29.47 | tronje | petn-randall: it's a netbook |
| 14:29.55 | tronje | petn-randall: lenovo IdeaPad S12 |
| 14:30.12 | petn-randall | tronje: Check if the mini-PCI card is correctly seated, could be faulty contacts. |
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| 14:30.32 | petn-randall | tronje: If it's still under warranty, send it in though. You'll otherwise void it if opened. |
| 14:30.40 | Warp4 | DrFoo, well i sorta got it working in a script |
| 14:30.46 | tronje | petn-randall: so far it did good server, i even thought about getting a ssd for it |
| 14:30.47 | tronje | petn-randall: ok |
| 14:30.53 | petn-randall | mniip: Context would help ... |
| 14:30.57 | tronje | petn-randall: no, warranty time is loooooong over :D |
| 14:31.14 | petn-randall | tronje: :D |
| 14:31.25 | tronje | petn-randall: i bought it 2009 |
| 14:31.31 | DrFoo | you can change master path to ~/Documents or ~/ and it should still work |
| 14:31.38 | tronje | petn-randall: and it has it marks of time :P |
| 14:31.38 | DrFoo | Warp4: ^^ |
| 14:31.40 | petn-randall | tronje: Meh, that's not long, I've got much older HW ;) |
| 14:32.03 | DrFoo | Warp4: how did you get output |
| 14:32.21 | Warp4 | eh scratch that |
| 14:32.58 | mniip | petn-randall, i noticed that apt-get started saying /bin/sh: 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not found |
| 14:33.16 | mniip | after a little investigation, i've found that the symlink /usr/bin/python points to python2.7 |
| 14:33.28 | mniip | which doesn't exist, but is installed |
| 14:33.29 | tronje | petn-randall: me to, thinkpad t53p - bought it for 100€ used from university :D |
| 14:33.33 | mniip | so i'm reinstalling python2.7 |
| 14:33.43 | Warp4 | ok folks gotta run an errand so will brb |
| 14:33.49 | tronje | petn-randall: is now my main laptop/computer since idepad failed |
| 14:33.55 | tronje | *ideapad |
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| 14:35.28 | dym | How come there's no "mrt" available in Debian Squeeze (&Backports)? |
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| 14:37.12 | mbruins | no ooweb for wheezy? |
| 14:37.44 | debme | hello, i wanted to switch from ubuntu to debian, but.. why the heck i can not setup english language + italian locale?? as in ubuntu.. thanks for help |
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| 14:37.59 | debme | i mean in the installation |
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| 14:38.38 | Mk558 | So I have a question: How do I make a USB thumbdrive bootable volume, with all the sudo apt-get updates installed and capable of installing D6.0.7-gnome? |
| 14:39.09 | mniip | ok, now my apt is all forked up :/ |
| 14:39.17 | tronje | Mk558: i think the word for that is "remaster" |
| 14:39.28 | Mk558 | >.> |
| 14:39.38 | tronje | Mk558: i think in general you unpack the iso, slipstream the updates in and repack it |
| 14:39.52 | Mk558 | sounds like hardness |
| 14:39.55 | stew | Mk558: you are going to make a fresh install? |
| 14:39.57 | tronje | Mk558: just throwing words for google at you ;) |
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| 14:40.03 | debme | hello, i wanted to switch from ubuntu to debian, but.. why the heck i can not setup english language + italian locale right in the installation?? as in ubuntu.. thanks for help |
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| 14:40.36 | tronje | Mk558: i think it is doable |
| 14:40.40 | Mk558 | basically put d-6.0.7-gnome onto a bootable thumbdrive with all the updates + can install from the thumbdrive |
| 14:40.44 | tronje | Mk558: the main point is, that you somehow would have to update your iso, everytime the repos have an update |
| 14:40.56 | stew | Mk558: what do you mean by "all the updates"? |
| 14:41.23 | Mk558 | well if I install onto a thumbdrive, boot from it, then run sudo apt-get update and install whatever I want to do, can it still install from the thumbdrive? |
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| 14:41.53 | stew | Mk558: are you installing a new copy of debian or are you trying to upgrade an existing install? |
| 14:41.57 | Mk558 | new. |
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| 14:42.28 | stew | Mk558: just get the cd1 iso and cp it to a thumb drive and boot it. but why would you install an old version of debian instead of the current version? |
| 14:42.38 | themill | debme: you can just complete the installation in whatever language you want and change it afterwards in any case. |
| 14:42.45 | Mk558 | because I like gnome 2 |
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| 14:43.10 | deception | debme, You can also chroot into your install from the liveCD and change it before the reboot |
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| 14:43.24 | Mk558 | just like I liked ubuntu 9.10/10.04LTS with human-theme instead of 10.10+ |
| 14:43.29 | stew | Mk558: you know that this will be completely unsupported in less than a year |
| 14:43.39 | Mk558 | better than running ubuntu |
| 14:43.58 | mniip | petn-randall, now even weirder |
| 14:44.08 | mniip | http://mniip.com/qp/f00000119 |
| 14:44.09 | Mk558 | how much space will the install need? it's an 8GB install |
| 14:44.10 | tronje | Mk558: how about going for Xfce or LXDE? |
| 14:44.16 | Mk558 | nah |
| 14:44.19 | Mk558 | gnome or bust |
| 14:44.20 | debme | themill: ok but thats not good.. hat if i have to put a complex lvm password in my keyboard-locale mode? the password will be fucked up because complex characters are different by layout |
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| 14:44.45 | debme | deception: lol and you think i can do that? im a nebie.. like many others out there :) |
| 14:44.47 | thewanderer1 | ok, I've resolved the "cpufreq doesn't load" problem... of course it was that crappy MSI BIOS! an upgrade did wonders. |
| 14:44.54 | debme | *newbie |
| 14:44.57 | stew | Mk558: I would guess it would need 1 to 2 gb of disk minimum and 64 mb of ram |
| 14:44.59 | deception | debme, We all start somewhere |
| 14:45.06 | themill | debme: yeah, that's always a risk. Never pick passwords that aren't the same on keyboard layouts you are likely to use |
| 14:45.11 | stew | probably 2gb of disk |
| 14:45.14 | deception | http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 14:45.21 | Mk558 | righto |
| 14:45.27 | jhutchins_wk | Mk558: You might want to look into one of the forks of gnome that's carrying gnome2 foward |
| 14:45.31 | jhutchins_wk | forward. |
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| 14:45.55 | Mk558 | because if I give it 5GB it'd be nice to have a 2.5GB flash FAT32 volume as well, is that possible? |
| 14:45.57 | debme | themill: ok but.. why is not suported by debian to choose eng language + it_IT locale? that's what im wondering. why ubuntu can and debian cant? |
| 14:46.08 | themill | debme: (there was an interesting bug for a while where the kb layout wasn't localised but everyone thought it was... then that bug got fixed and suddenly people were locked out of their systems) |
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| 14:46.19 | Spawnrad | hi |
| 14:46.23 | Mk558 | I downloaded the DVD1 iso |
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| 14:46.53 | deception | debme, I believe Ubuntu writes their own custom installer |
| 14:47.08 | Mk558 | so I should just format the flash drive in two parts, ext3 and fat32, then cp everything from the dvd to the ext3 volume? |
| 14:47.26 | stew | Mk558: no, just cp the iso to the flash drive, don't bother formatting anything |
| 14:47.28 | apathor | could someone point me to docs for setting up a software RAID of non-boot drives? |
| 14:47.33 | tronje | Mk558: use unetbooting or soo |
| 14:47.39 | jhutchins_wk | debme: You are discovering that Ubuntu and Debian are two different distributions, not one distribution with different names. |
| 14:47.40 | stew | tronje: uh why? |
| 14:47.44 | tronje | Mk558: it makes bootable pendrives out of isos |
| 14:47.54 | stew | tronje: the isos are already bootable |
| 14:48.08 | jhutchins_wk | We have seen many problems with unetbootin for debian installers. |
| 14:48.09 | themill | Mk558, tronje: don't use unetbootin. It tends not to work with Debian install media fairly often |
| 14:48.13 | Spawnrad | Someone can tell me if an open source security scanner exist please ? Nessus Alternative. Thanks |
| 14:48.20 | debme | themill, deception: ok i hope it gets fixed but it's a very old and essential bug then :/ |
| 14:48.22 | tronje | stew: but using netbootin or however its called you get the nice things of pendirves- writeablity |
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| 14:48.47 | themill | Spawnrad: openvas |
| 14:48.49 | stew | tronje: what is even nicer than that is a working installer |
| 14:48.56 | mniip | anyone? |
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| 14:49.11 | debme | jhutchins_wk: ok but also fedora can setup locales right.. im sad debian cant do this naive thing |
| 14:49.11 | jhutchins_wk | Spawnrad: http://bit.ly/16svtks |
| 14:49.32 | jhutchins_wk | debme: So work with the installer developers to add that feature. |
| 14:49.45 | asturel | does debian 7 installer have memtest? |
| 14:49.45 | Mk558 | just copy the iso over to the fat32 volume, don't bother mounting the iso and copying everything? |
| 14:49.46 | Spawnrad | themill: Thanks i go check this one ;) |
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| 14:50.17 | deception | Where does the Debian livecd mount the installation dir? |
| 14:50.21 | stew | Mk558: no, not in a fat32 volume, directly to the drive. if you thumb drive is /dev/sdX then "cp foo.iso /dev/sdx" |
| 14:50.36 | asturel | deception /target ? |
| 14:50.40 | deception | ah ty |
| 14:50.43 | stew | Mk558: of course, be careful that you are really talking to the correct drive first |
| 14:50.49 | tronje | stew: i don't get your point - what's the matter with unetbootin? |
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| 14:51.03 | tronje | stew: apparently you know something I don't know :P |
| 14:51.05 | deception | debme, chroot into /target/ and follow http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 14:51.10 | Mk558 | unmount it first like with $ dd? |
| 14:51.13 | stew | tronje: it often breaks the installer |
| 14:51.41 | stew | tronje: and the thing that it does "take an .iso and make it bootable" is uneccessary, since our isos are already bootable |
| 14:51.44 | tronje | stew: cd will do? wouldn't he need dd? |
| 14:51.49 | tronje | stew: hm, never happened to me, but ok |
| 14:52.05 | debme | jhutchins_wk: ok typical arrogant answer.. i was just pointing out my bad experience about that.. and i was wondering why an evoluted os like debian "the universal operating system" can do that thing. thats all. |
| 14:52.10 | stew | Mk558: dd doesn't unmount things, umount does, and yes it must be unmounted |
| 14:52.10 | Mk558 | types diskutil unmount /dev/disk2 |
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| 14:52.18 | tronje | stew: no,it doesn't make it "bootable" - it just uses the data on the iso |
| 14:52.20 | Mk558 | is in OS X |
| 14:52.25 | stew | tronje: cp will do if that is what you mean also cat will work, dd will work, they all do the same thing |
| 14:52.36 | stew | tronje: and the data on the iso is bootable |
| 14:52.49 | deception | debme, Every distribution has it's rough patches, maybe contribute back to help make it better |
| 14:52.49 | themill | debme: actually you can do this quite happily in expert mode |
| 14:52.55 | mniip | so, ok, now the problem is |
| 14:52.56 | mniip | http://mniip.com/qp/f0000011A |
| 14:53.09 | Mk558 | me types cp /Users/icecube/Desktop/DownloadF/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-gnome-desktop.iso /dev/disk2 |
| 14:53.13 | Mk558 | press enter? |
| 14:53.19 | mniip | how in the ;-; |
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| 14:53.59 | Mk558 | yeah? |
| 14:54.43 | themill | mniip: does /usr/bin/python2.7 exist? |
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| 14:54.48 | stew | Mk558: is /dev/disk2 a thumb drive |
| 14:54.55 | Mk558 | yup |
| 14:54.59 | r0b- | ugh somehow removing libc6 broke my systel |
| 14:55.01 | mniip | themill, no |
| 14:55.03 | mniip | that's it |
| 14:55.07 | r0b- | /usr/bin has been whiled |
| 14:55.08 | stew | r0b-: hah, "homehow" |
| 14:55.09 | r0b- | wioed |
| 14:55.13 | stew | err somehow |
| 14:55.26 | stew | r0b-: libc6 is the most fundamental package on the system other than perhaps the kernel |
| 14:55.29 | r0b- | omg nooooooooooo this isnt good. |
| 14:55.32 | debme | deception: nevermind thanks, it's too complicated for me.. i will unfortunately just stick to ubuntu until that bug gets fixed, if i need to install a passworded lvm |
| 14:55.36 | stew | mniip: is python2.7-minimal installed? |
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| 14:55.40 | debme | themill: im not an expert hehe ;) |
| 14:55.41 | r0b- | doesnt wanna reload but looks like i have no choice |
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| 14:55.46 | r0b- | is an idiot |
| 14:55.56 | DotHack | r0b-: your done! rescue mode! |
| 14:56.02 | mniip | stew, it depends on python2.7 |
| 14:56.07 | Mk558 | copying underway |
| 14:56.10 | mniip | also its installation give same error |
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| 14:56.17 | r0b- | DotHack, what can rescuemode do for me? |
| 14:56.28 | mniip | stew, /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-minimal.postinst: 4: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-minimal.postinst: python2.7: not found |
| 14:56.39 | DotHack | r0b-: rescue mode from media, maybe you can install libc6 |
| 14:56.50 | stew | mniip: python2.7-minimal doens't depend on python2.6 |
| 14:56.53 | stew | err python 2.7 |
| 14:57.00 | r0b- | i dont have media right now. i gotta get my USB Drive prepped |
| 14:57.02 | mniip | see the error |
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| 14:57.13 | themill | mniip: can you download the python2.7-minimal package and install it manually? |
| 14:57.19 | thewanderer1 | r0b-, apt actually asks you whether you know what you are doing. did you intentionally type the response into it, telling it to proceed? |
| 14:57.29 | r0b- | yes |
| 14:57.32 | themill | stew: python maintainer scripts are full of snafus like that and the maintainer doesn't believe they are problems. |
| 14:57.33 | mniip | themill, that's what i did |
| 14:57.39 | stew | themill: yup |
| 14:57.42 | mniip | read in, i'm using dpkg |
| 14:57.44 | themill | mniip: python2.7-minimal or python2.7? |
| 14:57.51 | mniip | themill, i tried both |
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| 14:57.54 | r0b- | screw it. ill fresh install. |
| 14:57.55 | DrFoo | is said greedy with regex? |
| 14:57.59 | r0b- | no harm no foul. |
| 14:58.03 | DrFoo | is sed greedy with regex ? :) |
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| 14:58.19 | mniip | because of python strangely disappearing, i had to go all the way down to dpkg and wget |
| 14:58.23 | themill | mniip: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -i python2.7-minimal*deb python2.7_*deb" ? |
| 14:58.26 | r0b- | :-) |
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| 14:58.28 | thewanderer1 | DrFoo, yes, very |
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| 14:58.52 | DrFoo | nice |
| 14:58.54 | DrFoo | thx |
| 14:58.56 | Diogo | hi i have debian 6.0.7 and when i installed apt-get install php5-memcached appear this message http://pastebin.com/bPEm8wQc |
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| 14:59.06 | Diogo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.07 | Diogo | E: Broken packages |
| 14:59.10 | Diogo | whty? |
| 14:59.23 | stew | without looking my random guess will be "because dotdeb" |
| 14:59.35 | r0b- | oh well |
| 14:59.39 | r0b- | im out to fix. |
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| 14:59.45 | mniip | themill, the names of .debs are a little different, |
| 14:59.48 | mniip | but still http://mniip.com/qp/f0000011B |
| 15:00.11 | stew | Diogo: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy php5-memcached libmemcached11" ? |
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| 15:00.32 | thewanderer1 | (side note: Debian php5-memcached packages depend on libmemcached10) |
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| 15:00.46 | themill | mniip: I did explicitly ask for python2.7-minimal. |
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| 15:01.07 | Diogo | stew: http://pastebin.com/p0Rt4g8F |
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| 15:01.18 | themill | !win stew |
| 15:01.18 | mniip | oh derp |
| 15:01.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 15:01.25 | asturel | is there a way to use only the kernel from unstable? |
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| 15:02.18 | stew | Diogo: so yes, my original guess about the cause of the problem was correct. you are having these problems "because dotdeb" |
| 15:02.31 | stew | Diogo: you might see if they have a support forum or a bug tracker |
| 15:03.04 | mniip | themill, oh, thanks, it worked |
| 15:03.39 | gory | hi, got a problem with debian as qemu-kvm guest, when I assign a qcow2 image with a maximum size of 78GB it shows up with 83.5GB in the virtual machine, is there some way to fix it? |
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| 15:04.06 | thewanderer1 | gory, gigabytes vs. gibibytes I guess? |
| 15:04.27 | themill | mniip: I missed how you ended up in this situation btw -- was this just a rough squeeze->wheezy that went really wrong? |
| 15:04.34 | mniip | no |
| 15:04.55 | mniip | everything was fine when once apt-get reported apt-listchanges failing |
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| 15:05.09 | themill | apt-listchanges is a python script |
| 15:05.10 | mniip | i ran apt-listchanges and discovered absence of python |
| 15:05.14 | themill | yeah |
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| 15:05.28 | themill | do you know how python got removed? |
| 15:05.36 | mniip | i think it *might* be fglrx |
| 15:05.47 | themill | hmm |
| 15:05.58 | thewanderer1 | gory, fire up a calculator and do the math yourself: 78 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 / (1000 * 1000 * 1000) = ~83.5 |
| 15:06.32 | gory | thewanderer1: thx for the hint, never thougt about it 'cause never had this problem with centos |
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| 15:06.57 | mniip | no, seems like it |
| 15:07.01 | mniip | 's not libfglrx |
| 15:07.02 | themill | mniip: anyway, if it was package removal, then we can at least say that it wasn't failing hardware or something like that making python go away. You might like to run debsums to check the rest of the packages have al their files on disk |
| 15:07.09 | Mk558 | icecubeW0A:~ icecube$ cp /Users/icecube/Desktop/DownloadF/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-gnome-desktop.iso /dev/disk2 |
| 15:07.20 | Mk558 | cp: /Users/icecube/Desktop/DownloadF/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-gnome-desktop.iso: could not copy extended attributes to /dev/disk2: Operation not permitted |
| 15:07.40 | thewanderer1 | gory, well, it's a common pitfall - qemu accepts sizes in GiB (1024B = 1KB, although it calls it "GB"), but Debian's tools such as fdisk count space in actual gigabytes (1000B = 1KB) |
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| 15:07.58 | Mk558 | ? |
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| 15:08.50 | gory | just good to know, since I might have run into trouble after uploading the image file to my vps |
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| 15:10.50 | Diogo | stew: bug tracker ? of debian repositories? |
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| 15:12.53 | d_arcy | hi |
| 15:13.06 | d_arcy | which vim package provides +xterm_clipboard ? |
| 15:13.15 | Diogo | stew: bug tracker ? of debian repositories? |
| 15:13.35 | d_arcy | I have tried vim-nox, vim-gtk, vim-gnome, to no avail |
| 15:14.41 | Mk558 | okay so the USB thumbdrive has booted a PC |
| 15:14.43 | Mk558 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.44 | Mk558 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.44 | Mk558 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.44 | Mk558 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.46 | Mk558 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.46 | mayhew | d_arcy: I have both vim-nox and vim-gtk installed and it says +xterm_clipboard |
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| 15:15.03 | Mk558 | So |
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| 15:15.14 | stew | Diogo: no, bug tracker of dotdeb, you aren't using debian packages for php |
| 15:15.27 | d_arcy | mayhew: okay, I will reinstall these two |
| 15:15.33 | tronje | lol |
| 15:15.34 | Mk558 | Now that the rest of the drive is simply blanked off (~6.5GB) what can I do to bring it back? |
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| 15:16.23 | mumpitzel | Mk558: partition it again and recreate a filesystem |
| 15:16.35 | nyuszika7h | any idea why sudo visudo is not respecting the EDITOR/VISUAL/SUDO_EDITOR environment variables? |
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| 15:16.40 | Mk558 | but partitioning will wipe the drive yeah? |
| 15:16.41 | debme | themill: "debme: (there was an interesting bug for a while where the kb layout wasn't localised but everyone thought it was... then that bug got fixed and suddenly people were locked out of their systems)" what do you mean the bug got fixed? if it got fixed why it's still not possible to choose locales with different languages? |
| 15:16.51 | debme | just asking, not a flame. |
| 15:17.16 | mumpitzel | Mk558: yes |
| 15:17.31 | themill | debme: that's two entirely different issues. One was in the initramfs on the installed system, the other is in the installer. And we've established that you can do it in the installer too |
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| 15:18.06 | debme | themill: ah ok |
| 15:18.08 | Mk558 | This is getting complicated. I think I better google around |
| 15:18.36 | joachimhs | Is there a version of Debian that comes with the drivers needed to get networking working on a new MacMini? |
| 15:18.55 | Mk558 | Seems pretty simple to me, in concept: debian 6.0.7-gnome with all the updates installed and another conventional fat32 volume. |
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| 15:20.32 | Trae32566-NE | so erm |
| 15:20.42 | Trae32566-NE | is it just me or is one of the repos for jessie having issues |
| 15:20.44 | d_arcy | mayhew: thanks. I was also using a local version, defined God knows where... |
| 15:20.59 | themill | Trae32566-NE: it's probably just your mirror -- can you pastebin the output? |
| 15:21.14 | Trae32566-NE | themill, it's one line, can I copypasta? |
| 15:21.36 | themill | full output in a pastebin might be more usefu |
| 15:21.58 | Trae32566-NE | all it is is a warning during apt-get update |
| 15:22.06 | Trae32566-NE | one sec |
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| 15:23.25 | Trae32566-NE | themill, http://pastebin.com/CtqprbKQ |
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| 15:24.15 | Mk558 | More questions: I'm about to run gparted off another live cd I have. Can I "increase" the debian install to install stuff like libssl-dev and avahi-dev and netatalk and run updates which will get "applied" to the live element on the thumbdrive? |
| 15:25.11 | Mk558 | because it has a 1.1GB volume and I'd like to "increase that" to have more space for linux. |
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| 15:25.30 | Trae32566-NE | Mk558, yes, use parted (or gparted) |
| 15:25.32 | Mk558 | and have a ~4GB flash fat32 volume that mounts like any other flash drive |
| 15:25.48 | Trae32566-NE | shrink the fat32 volume, then expand the ext4 volume |
| 15:26.09 | Trae32566-NE | you will have to do it from a separate *nix system though |
| 15:26.21 | Mk558 | I'm booting into a 10.04LTS live CD |
| 15:26.21 | Trae32566-NE | (obviously you can't have the partition you're modifying mounted....) |
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| 15:26.46 | Trae32566-NE | themill, weird huh? |
| 15:27.21 | themill | Trae32566-NE: yeah... you're getting a hashsum mismatch for an empty file |
| 15:28.02 | themill | Trae32566-NE: my view of security.d.o looks fine but I could be looking at a different mirror. Try an apt-get update again later. These things normally work their way out fast enough |
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| 15:28.33 | Trae32566-NE | themill, it worked fine yesterday evening, then around 12 I went to do an update and it spat that out at me |
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| 15:29.35 | Mk558 | Hmm. I only see "unallocated space" on the gparted display. No mention of the partition. |
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| 15:30.23 | Mk558 | Unallocated space: 7.45GB |
| 15:30.28 | Mk558 | it's an 8GB drive. |
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| 15:30.45 | Trae32566-NE | some reason gparted isn't recognizing it |
| 15:30.49 | Trae32566-NE | I have no idea |
| 15:30.54 | Trae32566-NE | ask one of the smarter guys |
| 15:30.59 | Trae32566-NE | points to * |
| 15:31.05 | Mk558 | Maybe I should make an ext4 partition, say 3.5GB in size, then cp everything from the iso to the volume? |
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| 15:31.22 | Mk558 | http://www.linux.com/images/stories/blogs/27183/gparted.png |
| 15:31.24 | Trae32566-NE | er...I don't think that'd work |
| 15:31.29 | Mk558 | I don't see that. I just get grey space. |
| 15:31.39 | Trae32566-NE | if I were you, I'd just install to the flash drive |
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| 15:31.52 | Trae32566-NE | just make sure you do a generic install and not a targeted install |
| 15:31.55 | zykotick9 | Mk558: i rather doubt your attempt to resize the ISO image, to install new packages is going to work. i believe you'd need to remaster the iso. |
| 15:32.12 | kyle__ | Is there a preferred UPS monitoring daemon for deb? |
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| 15:32.53 | Mk558 | okay |
| 15:33.08 | thewanderer1 | kyle__, there's one daemon, apcupsd |
| 15:33.10 | Mk558 | if I install onto a thumbdrive, is it persistent and can be treated like a regular install? |
| 15:33.35 | zykotick9 | Mk558: no. the iso image is a readonly filesystem. |
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| 15:34.08 | Mk558 | you mean the iso image I cp'd over onto the thumbdrive, meaning the thumbdrive partition is r only, no r/w? |
| 15:34.36 | zykotick9 | Mk558: you could "install" onto a USB drive, but then it wouldn't be useful for installing, it would be a "proper" install. |
| 15:34.51 | Mk558 | there's no way to have an "installer" in such a case? |
| 15:35.01 | boldfilter | Why dost thou netinstall booteth and thy livecd not booteth? That I thy question. #badshakespeare |
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| 15:35.18 | kyle__ | thewanderer1: That's the one I usually used in RHEL compatable distros, but I noticed NUT and a few other things when spelunking through apt. Is apcupsd the preferred one? |
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| 15:36.18 | emilsedgh | Hello everyone. Im trying to install linux-headers-3.8-2-amd64, but apt decides to remove all my i386 packages. Any idea why would that happen? |
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| 15:37.13 | Mk558 | repeats "there's no way to have an "installer" in such a case?" |
| 15:37.28 | emilsedgh | http://paste.kde.org/753818 |
| 15:37.29 | thewanderer1 | kyle__, apcupsd has wide compatibility (= will work with APC, probably with a few other brands but it's hit and miss), while nut may not support recent hardware |
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| 15:38.09 | kyle__ | thewanderer1: Ahh ok. Wonderful, especially since I already know that one. Thank you! |
| 15:38.11 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i keep the console font the same after the stage of grub? |
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| 15:38.51 | themill | emilsedgh: "aptitude unmarkauto wine64-bin" -- wine is the reason they were installed and you've removed some or all of it |
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| 15:39.20 | emilsedgh | themill: thank you :) |
| 15:39.48 | zykotick9 | Mk558: i've never customized an install CD, i have no idea... hopefully someone else has input for you. good luck. |
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| 15:42.03 | Mk558 | I'm making a 3.7GB ext3 that I will install onto from the live dvd and a 3.7GB fat32 volume. we'll see how it works |
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| 15:43.50 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i keep the console font the same after the stage of grub? |
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| 15:46.36 | stew | Mk558: oh, i thought you were trying to create an installer on the thumbdrive, not actually install debian to the thumbdrive |
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| 15:47.22 | zykotick9 | stew: i believe Mk558 wants to put an installer (with additional packages) onto a USB |
| 15:47.45 | stew | I don't even think he needs the additional packages |
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| 15:48.45 | zykotick9 | doesn't understand customized install media, but as i only use netinst, i guess that explains my lack of understanding ;) |
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| 15:49.42 | stew | he wants a gnome install and has the dvd1 iso, which is enough for a gnome install |
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| 15:50.08 | zykotick9 | it's some -dev package(s) he mentioned earlier |
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| 15:52.55 | Mk558 | dvd isn't being recognized |
| 15:53.03 | Mk558 | it's not a dual layer DVD that I know of |
| 15:53.04 | bytecounter | Is it possible to hide the plain text output and replace it by an image while booting? |
| 15:53.11 | bytecounter | System starts on runlevel 2 |
| 15:53.13 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i keep the console font the same after the stage of grub? |
| 15:53.16 | Mk558 | my mini can't read DL discs. |
| 15:53.25 | stew | bytecounter: look into plymouth |
| 15:53.56 | Mk558 | zykotick9: because net-install isn't so hot when there is/could be no network && it's only worthwhile on 10Mbps connections kthnx :P |
| 15:54.14 | zykotick9 | bytecounter: re:plymouth I hope you're using free drivers ;) good luck. |
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| 15:54.19 | Mk558 | in my case I all I have is 1Mbps |
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| 15:54.29 | bytecounter | Ok, thank's |
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| 15:56.23 | bytecounter | Yes, I use standard drivers. It is for an infoterminal |
| 15:56.37 | stew | Mk558: you'll download a lot more by downloading the DVD than you would by using a netinst |
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| 15:57.07 | stew | well, "you downloaded" |
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| 15:58.05 | Mk558 | really? wow |
| 15:58.39 | bytecounter | Did I need also plymouth-X11 when I start in runlevel 2 only? |
| 15:59.06 | zykotick9 | bytecounter: ahhh, debian doesn't really use runlevels by default... |
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| 15:59.20 | bytecounter | debian-server |
| 15:59.32 | bytecounter | Without X |
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| 16:11.32 | nvz | quick fashion question I got ext3 on this drive.. I moved a couple pictures I meant to copy.. then edited them in the gimp.. is there any chance I might be able to find the originals somewhere on the filesystem? |
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| 16:11.57 | nvz | not too optimistic but id be nice |
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| 16:13.23 | nvz | the move would've just reqritten the metadata then the export would've overwritten it.. so I'm guessing I made a mistake I can't fix :-P |
| 16:13.26 | mumpitzel | ,v extundelete |
| 16:13.27 | judd | Package: extundelete on i386 -- jessie: 0.2.0-2.1; sid: 0.2.0-2.1; wheezy: 0.2.0-2.1 |
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| 16:13.48 | nvz | mumpitzel: do you think that'd work? considering I didn't delete anything I just overwrote it? |
| 16:13.57 | mumpitzel | if you moved it around on the same filesystem, then there is no chance of course |
| 16:14.01 | DrFoo | can shell commands span multiple physical lines |
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| 16:14.13 | nvz | mumpitzel: yeah didnt think so ;) |
| 16:14.15 | mumpitzel | DrFoo: \ |
| 16:14.29 | DrFoo | thx |
| 16:15.04 | nvz | I need to me-proof my damn system :-P |
| 16:15.10 | mumpitzel | no. you need backups |
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| 16:15.29 | stew | Mk558: yes, with the netinst, you only ever download pacakges which you will install. with the dvd, you are downloading probably lots of pacakges on the dvd you will never use |
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| 16:15.45 | Mk558 | hmm windows doesn't like partition 1 being ext3 and 2 being fat32. mac os x didn't care and just mounted #2 |
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| 16:16.01 | Mk558 | might have to flip it around so #1 is fat32, #2 is ext3. of course there'll be some OTHER problem like it won't boot :< |
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| 16:16.29 | nvz | Mk558: windows doesn't care.. only problems I ever had is instlling.. most versions of windows won't INSTALL to a drive containing an unrecognisable filesystem |
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| 16:16.41 | antihero | hello, I'm trying to build a nodejs package, but I get this: https://gist.github.com/radiosilence/46eeb766db8a44f9239e |
| 16:16.44 | antihero | what is going wrong? |
| 16:17.03 | nvz | to make dual-boot work you gotta install windows first then linux, doesn't matter where on the drive it goes, just so long as its installed first |
| 16:17.08 | Mk558 | well windows does care because it doesn't seem to see #2 partition being fat 32 |
| 16:17.14 | Mk558 | this is on a thumbdrive |
| 16:17.19 | nvz | ah |
| 16:17.40 | Mk558 | mac os x just shrugs and mounts #2 like it should. pfff |
| 16:17.50 | Mk558 | formatting now in windows, taking forever |
| 16:18.06 | nvz | well thats probably just windows failing to understand the partition table |
| 16:18.10 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 16:18.28 | nvz | wanders off |
| 16:19.33 | Mk558 | well after the format, fat32/fat32, windows only recognizes one. |
| 16:19.48 | Mk558 | linux did recognize the dual setup. |
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| 16:20.24 | emilsedgh | so i updated to linux-image-3.8-2-amd64 but all my i386 packages got removed. im trying to install wine but something's wrong, i get unmet dependencies on 'libc6:i386'. |
| 16:20.35 | emilsedgh | i have multiarch enabled :) |
| 16:21.18 | Mk558 | stew: what about a netinst live cd with gnome2 and the libraries I need? all the stuff for netatalk basically |
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| 16:21.27 | emilsedgh | http://paste.kde.org/753836 |
| 16:21.30 | Mk558 | and I'll have to build netatalk from source |
| 16:22.13 | antihero | nobody knows? |
| 16:22.14 | Mk558 | All I care about is GNOME2, human-theme because I really like it, basic stuff like gparted and gedit yada yadah with netatalk, hfsutils and hfsprogwhatever |
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| 16:23.36 | Mk558 | so that probably calls for a remastered live cd. this means another 20 hours spent doing such a task |
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| 16:25.00 | stew | Mk558: a netinst would by definition not have gnome. it only contains the base packages |
| 16:25.21 | antihero | I'm going to try the package from experimental |
| 16:25.24 | antihero | fack eyt |
| 16:25.28 | stew | Mk558: will the machine you are installing on not be able to access the internet? |
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| 16:28.33 | Mk558 | but do you install the packages with a gui or is it all text based? |
| 16:28.33 | Mk558 | access √ |
| 16:28.33 | Mk558 | i'm thinking i should just go buy a 2GB flash drive for cheapies and use that instead of my 8GB drive which won't play nice with windows |
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| 16:30.47 | babilen | Mk558: You can use synaptic if you are looking for a GUI package manager, but I'd recommend to simply get used to apt-get (and other apt-* tools) and aptitude. |
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| 16:30.52 | bytecounter | One question to plymouth again: I've Debian 7, is it necessary to adapt the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules files? Graphic card is a AMD Geode |
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| 16:31.16 | joachimhs | Are there pre-compiled drivers available for the network card (ethernet) on the newest mac mini? |
| 16:31.33 | Mk558 | what do you think? |
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| 16:31.59 | Mk558 | well what I mean is when you use netinst do you get all the packages you want with sudo apt-get? |
| 16:32.12 | Mk558 | you don't go through a nicely craft gui package installer? |
| 16:32.13 | babilen | joachimhs: What is its PCIID ? In general: It is supported if the kernel version that comes with your Debian supports it. |
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| 16:32.34 | piranhaxx | anyone can provide me with 1 minimal smb.conf + 1 "mount -t cifs .." CLI instruction that actually does not stumble on "mount error(13):Permission Denied", please? |
| 16:32.58 | joachimhs | babilen: How do I find the PCIID? |
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| 16:33.26 | ezra-s | joachimhs, have you tried "lspci"? |
| 16:33.34 | babilen | Mk558: During the initial installation you can select a number of tasks that will cause the installation of package sets. You cannot select packages individually ... If you want to build the system yourself then don't install any tasks (I would still install the Standard one) and then take it from there. |
| 16:34.01 | babilen | joachimhs: You can run "lspci -nn" -- Your NIC should be listed in "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" |
| 16:35.44 | babilen | joachimhs: Alternatively tell me about the the NIC in question -- What is its name? |
| 16:35.57 | joachimhs | babilen: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe |
| 16:36.35 | babilen | judd: pciid 14e4:1686 |
| 16:36.36 | judd | [14e4:1686] is 'NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1686 |
| 16:36.45 | babilen | joachimhs: That one ^^ ? |
| 16:36.51 | joachimhs | babilen: Yes |
| 16:37.27 | babilen | joachimhs: Okay, that one is *not* supported by the kernel in wheezy and you do need a newer one. One second please :) |
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| 16:39.35 | babilen | joachimhs: I think the only way I can think of right now is to install Debian from CD1/DVD1 and then install a newer kernel from unstable or compile a kernel yourself. |
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| 16:40.04 | joachimhs | babilen: Hm… |
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| 16:42.16 | joachimhs | babilen: Newer kernels have drivers for that NIC ? |
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| 16:42.48 | asturel | i cant install ia32 libs w/o multiarch? |
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| 16:46.31 | bal | Hello, is there a way to identify which application generates a specific log file ? ( e.g test.log ) |
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| 16:47.20 | bytecounter | bal: you could test which process use this resource (file) |
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| 16:48.17 | bal | bytecounter, Ok, and how I do that ? lsof ? |
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| 16:50.58 | stew | bal: try fuser |
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| 16:51.44 | bytecounter | ls -l /proc/[processId]/fd |
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| 16:53.24 | mayhew | "lsof FILE" will show which processes are currently using that file. May need to use sudo if it's being opened by a process not owned by your current user. |
| 16:54.26 | bal | ok, thank you guys |
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| 17:00.13 | veek | i'm running something like deborphan|xargs -P -I{} apt-get -y remove {} is this a safe way to remove orphans |
| 17:01.40 | mayhew | veek: doesn't "apt-get autoremove" do that? |
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| 17:02.05 | veek | mayhew, nope |
| 17:02.29 | veek | is there a way to check all my packages once this is done to see if it's okay |
| 17:03.00 | stew | veek: check your packages for what, exactly? |
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| 17:04.33 | veek | well, check to see if all the files are there and dependencies are met |
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| 17:05.30 | stew | veek: dependencies being met is done already by apt-get remove |
| 17:05.49 | eroen | Greetings, Debian people! I wish to aquire the esperanto glibc locale debian ships (or I hope still ships). Is there a browsable online repository with the files required to build the debian packages somewhere? |
| 17:05.50 | ezra-s | veek, if you had packages without their dependencies apt would complain about it the moment you would try to do anything |
| 17:05.56 | stew | for checking if files are missing I guess you could use debsums |
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| 17:06.34 | creichen | Hi! I'm on amd64, trying to install a 32 bit Skype. Unfortunately it depends on libraries that (transivitely) depend on libgcc1:386, which appears to clash with the amd64 libgcc1:386. Does anyone have experience with this issue and/or suggestions for how to resolve it? |
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| 17:07.25 | stew | eroen: for any package, you can visit http://packages.debian.org/packagename then click on a particular version, on the right hand side will be a link to a file which ends in .dsc which will list the Build-Depend(encies) |
| 17:07.49 | stew | creichen: how did you discover the clash? what command were you running? |
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| 17:08.50 | ltsampros | Hello |
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| 17:09.17 | ltsampros | somehow I endedup with a 'half-installed' base-files package. |
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| 17:09.27 | ltsampros | Is there any way to fix that? |
| 17:09.30 | creichen | stew: The reasoning chain started with dpkg -i /tmp/skype-install.deb, which depended on libasound2:i386, which (according to apt-get install libasound2:i386) depended on libc6:i386, which in turn had that dependency, according to the relevant output. |
| 17:09.45 | vintageseltzer | hi all, i'm having a lot of trouble mounting some nfs exports: mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. |
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| 17:10.09 | eroen | stew: Thank you. It looks like I get to go on a treasure hunt, though ;) |
| 17:10.32 | stew | eroen: are you using a debian system? there are tools there for fetching build depencies |
| 17:10.48 | stew | creichen: how did you discover the clash? what command were you running? |
| 17:11.05 | stew | creichen: what was the actual command you ran and the actual output? |
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| 17:13.29 | creichen | stew: http://pastebin.com/DsEpVt1c |
| 17:14.16 | creichen | stew: I ran the wget from a different account (running in /tmp) but included it for completeness. |
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| 17:15.44 | eroen | stew: No such luck, I'm on Gentoo. Still found it in the locales-all package. Thanks again! |
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| 17:17.17 | stew | creichen: where is there a clash with amd64? |
| 17:17.46 | stew | amd64 doesn't appear anywhere |
| 17:18.06 | stew | creichen: did you try "apt-get -f install"? |
| 17:18.25 | DrFoo | does the linux shell (sh) have any equivalent to a dictionary? |
| 17:18.49 | stew | creichen: i'd try installing libgcc1:i386 and when that fails, try installing the thing that it fails on until you find the root cause. which is likely to be some package which is installed which didnt' come from your debian release |
| 17:18.50 | asturel | anyone using debian wheezy with amd apu cpu? |
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| 17:19.10 | stew | asturel: just ask your real question |
| 17:19.12 | mayhew | DrFoo: what do you mean? |
| 17:19.18 | creichen | stew: Oh, sorry-- I didn't paste the bottom bit. It's line 78 in http://pastebin.com/wYh9Wvvu |
| 17:19.21 | asturel | stew i got everytime kernel oops |
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| 17:19.36 | DrFoo | basically it's like an array except accessed via a string, not an int |
| 17:19.41 | DrFoo | mayhew ^^ |
| 17:19.46 | asturel | blacklisted sound hda.. now it booted 3 times in a row |
| 17:19.56 | asturel | but then after 10 minutes kernel oops again |
| 17:20.02 | asturel | kernel:[ 1815.918695] general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP |
| 17:20.05 | asturel | kernel:[ 1815.985772] general protection fault: 0000 [#2] SMP |
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| 17:20.11 | mayhew | DrFoo: oh, definitely not, sh doesn't even have arrays |
| 17:20.24 | DrFoo | bash? |
| 17:20.29 | mayhew | bash does |
| 17:20.40 | DrFoo | looks like it's a bash script now. :) |
| 17:20.48 | stew | creichen: are you running debian? |
| 17:21.00 | asturel | and i got random 'oops' e.g. i even got xfs corruption error too |
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| 17:21.12 | mayhew | DrFoo: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1494178/how-to-define-hash-tables-in-bash |
| 17:21.13 | creichen | stew: jessie/sid, amd64. |
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| 17:21.21 | asturel | i did memtest86+ for 1 hour.. but nothing |
| 17:21.38 | stew | creichen: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libgcc1" ? |
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| 17:21.48 | asturel | tried to update testing, still the same |
| 17:22.06 | asturel | i even did a fresh install |
| 17:22.10 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.19 | stew | that is an odd one, since the current version in sid is older than that |
| 17:22.29 | stew | older than -9 that is |
| 17:22.43 | creichen | stew: http://pastebin.com/0vEDJhaA |
| 17:23.17 | stew | is pdo outdated? |
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| 17:23.27 | stew | judd: versions libgcc1 |
| 17:23.28 | judd | Package: libgcc1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1:4.4.5-8; wheezy: 1:4.7.2-5; jessie: 1:4.8.0-7; sid: 1:4.8.0-9 |
| 17:23.35 | stew | yes, i guess pdo is outdated |
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| 17:24.39 | stew | creichen: anyway, you have to figure out why libgcc1 can't be installed |
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| 17:25.48 | creichen | stew: agreed, the repository has slightly newer versions than pdo. But no, I haven't figured it out yet. Will try to manually install a package with matching version number. |
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| 17:26.32 | stew | creichen: try to install a package, it fails saying "can't because dependency: foo" can't be installed. then you try to install foo, and see why it can't be installed, until you find some root cause |
| 17:26.39 | stew | welcome to debian unstable just post release! |
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| 17:26.49 | kephra | moin |
| 17:26.52 | creichen | stew: :-) |
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| 17:27.16 | creichen | Will let you know once I find something. |
| 17:27.18 | kephra | is there a smaller alternative to exim/postfix for hosts that do never send or receive mail (just to make cron happy for local mail to root)? |
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| 17:33.55 | blubberdiblub | !tell kephra about nullmailer |
| 17:34.15 | blubberdiblub | !tell kephra about ssmtp |
| 17:35.14 | stew | there are probably other alternatives in "aptitude search '~Pmail-transport-agent'" |
| 17:35.16 | kephra | blubberdiblub, nullmailer and ssmtp are the exact opposite of what I want ;-( |
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| 17:35.48 | kephra | i do !NOT! want an mta - i do not want SMTP - only local mail |
| 17:36.41 | blubberdiblub | kephra, well, are you sure you can't have local mail with them? at least they are simpler alternatives than exim and postfix |
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| 17:37.36 | kephra | nullmailer = "a simple and secure relay-only mail transport agent." |
| 17:37.55 | kephra | and ssmtp already has the evil smtp word in it |
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| 17:38.06 | dondelelcaro | kephra: not sure I'm understanding you; do you not want mail to leave your machine? |
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| 17:38.36 | kephra | no - i do not want to send mail, i do not want to receive mail - i only want local mail to root to make cron happy |
| 17:38.38 | dondelelcaro | kephra: anything that is capable of getting mail off of your machine to something else has to talk SMTP |
| 17:38.48 | dondelelcaro | kephra: so you just want an LDA? |
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| 17:39.21 | anigma | how do I find out what disks I have in the interactive shell on Rescue Mode? |
| 17:39.41 | kephra | dondelelcaro, you can also transport mail by uucp - no smtp needed - but thats not the topic - LDA is the keyword |
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| 17:40.19 | dondelelcaro | kephra: I'm not sure if we have a /usr/sbin/sendmail-compatible LDA |
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| 17:40.37 | dondelelcaro | kephra: however, there's nothing stoping you from having one, or just using equivs to silence cron |
| 17:40.49 | stew | I think that cron is going to use /usr/sbin/sendmail which is probably only provided by MTAs, there is nothing to say that your MTA has to be configured to be willing to send mail anywhere other than locally |
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| 17:41.19 | dondelelcaro | (there's also some discussion of changing cron's default logging to use syslog instead of mail is reasonable, but that's a bit orthogonal |
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| 17:41.53 | kephra | there might be other programs who want to call sendmail |
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| 17:42.07 | creichen | stew: Manually handled all dependencies. Had to download/install a few packages by hand, but skype installed fine now (and the basic bits seem to work). So any issues were solely on the automatic dependency management side. |
| 17:42.14 | creichen | stew: Thanks for your help! :-) |
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| 17:43.12 | dondelelcaro | kephra: yes, but in almost all of those cases, you want the mail to be able to escape your local machine |
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| 17:44.47 | kephra | its enough if nagios tells me that there is mail |
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| 17:45.29 | kephra | most of my hosts have an `iptables ... --dport 25 -j DROP` anyway |
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| 17:51.12 | thewanderer1 | I've just installed Wheezy and it seems that /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is missing - is this a bug or a feature? I intend to run a router and need a way to name interfaces predictably... |
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| 17:52.06 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: It wouldn't exist unless it had detected a network card. |
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| 17:52.24 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk: well, there are three Ethernet interfaces |
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| 17:53.32 | kephra | thewanderer1, does /lib/udev/write_net_rules exist? |
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| 17:53.59 | cheri | hi can anyone tell me what I can do to reduce the context switching on my linux box I am using kernel version 2.6.32 |
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| 17:54.02 | thewanderer1 | kephra: yes, it does exist |
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| 17:55.48 | Mk558 | Chaps, how hard is it to make your own .deb or .ipm that contains all the .deb and source code packages someone would need so all you have to do is unpack it and install it? (This is for netatalk, which needs various things like libssl-dev, libdb, etc.) |
| 17:55.56 | thewanderer1 | in case it matters, those are virtio network interfaces, although I can't see any specific exceptions in the rule generation script |
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| 17:56.31 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:56.40 | kephra | Mk558, comparingly easy - a .deb is just an ar containing two tar.gz files |
| 17:56.41 | cheri | hi can anyone help me on context switching issue on my linux box |
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| 17:57.25 | Mk558 | but what about some sort of instructions? like commands to point netatalk to the source of the berkeleydb (libdb) and various flags like --enable-ssl? |
| 17:57.32 | kephra | Mk558, so you only need a pseudo package with a config with a long list of Depends: |
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| 17:58.22 | Mk558 | is there some kind of tutorial for non-linux-literate types? |
| 17:58.28 | kephra | Mk558, why not just `apt-get build-dep natatalk`? |
| 17:58.32 | DexterF | on an NFSv4 server, let's say I export a directory that is encrypted with truecrypt or dm-crypt - the data should become visible once the crypto container is mounted without re-exporting the dir and just become invisible when unmounted, correct? |
| 17:58.39 | Mk558 | because we have to install an older version |
| 17:58.49 | Mk558 | 2.1.6 |
| 17:58.51 | Mk558 | Furthermore |
| 17:59.07 | Mk558 | once netatalk in the repositories gets updated to 3.0 then it looses ALL afpd support |
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| 18:00.54 | thewanderer1 | DexterF: the NFS server will get quite angry if its filesystems come and go... |
| 18:01.52 | thewanderer1 | DexterF: you could try crossmnt (or whatever the option was called), but I never had much success with it. in general, what you're trying to do probably won't work. |
| 18:02.28 | DexterF | hmm. sshfs might be a better option then. |
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| 18:03.11 | Mk558 | The other problem is source code |
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| 18:03.27 | thewanderer1 | DexterF: or you may want to export the container via iSCSI (provided it behaves properly like a block device) and decrypt client-side |
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| 18:03.36 | Mk558 | netatalk is distributed via source code, so ... I'd have build that into a .deb file to do this? |
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| 18:05.04 | DexterF | thewanderer1: never done that. sounds interesting. |
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| 18:18.11 | marc_smith | hello. I have a message that displays quickly at the system boot process, and I can't read it. How can I get to that message? It displays, and then the console "login" shows up [I DON'T use login manager or X] |
| 18:18.56 | marc_smith | there's also no message in log files. From what I can see at that microsecond it's something with "startpar:" |
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| 18:19.16 | stew | marc_smith: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 18:20.42 | marc_smith | oh, thx stew. I'll try it |
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| 18:31.28 | zeeflo | hey guys. I have 2 windows partitions for a dual boot system. |
| 18:31.44 | zeeflo | What do I do to delete those partitions and create 1 new linux partition? |
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| 18:32.00 | zeeflo | more specifically, how do I delete them? |
| 18:32.48 | smlb | zeeflo: during debian install |
| 18:32.56 | zeeflo | ? |
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| 18:33.01 | zeeflo | nono |
| 18:33.01 | smlb | of course backup your stuff |
| 18:33.05 | zeeflo | its this system |
| 18:35.07 | abrotman | zeeflo: read the install guide |
| 18:35.21 | zeeflo | wouldnt it just be fdisk /dev/sdX |
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| 18:35.36 | zeeflo | and then delete the two nfts partitions, and then create a new linux partition? |
| 18:35.43 | zeeflo | and mount it somewhere |
| 18:35.48 | zeeflo | (after mkfs) |
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| 18:36.44 | nhobart | i have a debian 5 support question. should i use this channel or another one? |
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| 18:37.05 | stew | nhobart: debian 5 isnt' any longer |
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| 18:37.16 | stew | isn't supported any longer, i meant to say |
| 18:37.41 | smlb | zeeflo: yep, root on /mnt |
| 18:37.43 | nhobart | stew: i sure do know that... but i'm trying to extend an existing partition and getting my face kicked in. just looking for a hand |
| 18:37.56 | zeeflo | smlb: thx |
| 18:38.05 | smlb | mkdir /mnt/home (if you want an /home partition) |
| 18:38.07 | stew | nhobart: is there a reason not to upgrade to a current version of debian? |
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| 18:38.34 | r0b- | what would cause my system to say its running Jessie? |
| 18:38.40 | nhobart | stew: it's a client's server and they do not wish to upgrade. they've already said no. trust me i've tried |
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| 18:39.02 | stew | nhobart: ok |
| 18:39.22 | stew | nhobart: is it on the internet? |
| 18:39.25 | r0b- | is using Kernel 3.9.4 but that should not have any affect |
| 18:39.28 | Benkinooby | hi |
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| 18:40.01 | Benkinooby | is someone with a lenovo laptop here? |
| 18:40.16 | stew | Benkinooby: hundreds of people probably |
| 18:40.31 | nhobart | stew: mmmm. the computer? yes. it's a dev box that "mirrors" a production one. we're testing on dev before doing prod. i followed the following howto with little luck:http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions_p2 |
| 18:40.44 | stew | r0b-: the base-files package probably |
| 18:41.00 | Benkinooby | stew: that's why i am asking ;) - i was wondering why my ideapad shows two wifi and two bluetooth devices in rfkill |
| 18:41.10 | r0b- | the box was installed 3 months ago with Wheezy / Testing |
| 18:41.16 | Benkinooby | maybe some1 can check his/her rfkill list |
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| 18:41.21 | r0b- | Warning - Your system is actually running Debian Linux version 8.0. thats from "Webmin" |
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| 18:41.59 | stew | yikes, webmin |
| 18:42.04 | r0b- | hang on |
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| 18:43.04 | stew | nhobart: is there a plan to keep it from getting rooted? note that debian 5 doesn't get security updates any longer and there are well known security vulnerabilities that nobody is trying to fix |
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| 18:43.36 | r0b- | tty1 says "Debian GNU/Linux Jessie/Sid hostname tty1" |
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| 18:45.29 | r0b- | just did a FRESH install of Debian 7.0 AMD64 using the Netinstall disk on this desktop and i wanna backup |
| 18:45.34 | nhobart | stew: the security of the box isn't the issue at the moment. it's the partition extension. they need to do tons of code re-write before an upgrade to debian 6 or 7 and that's not on the table for now. the only thing they care about is this stupid hdd expansion. tho i appreciate your concern. :) |
| 18:46.34 | r0b- | i will bbl |
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| 18:48.02 | jpinx | nhobart: gparted has a "live cd" version afaik |
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| 18:48.42 | jpinx | nhobart: but you'll have to shut down the box and boot into that to extend / |
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| 18:49.31 | stew | nhobart: note that my concern isn't for you or your client, it is selfish. when your box gets rooted and is then used to attack my boxes you make my life worse |
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| 18:50.27 | nhobart | stew: i'm sorry to hear that. i wish i could do something to make them upgrade but they are the client and i can't FORCE them to do it. we tried - trust me. |
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| 18:50.56 | deception | anyone know the keyword to get dpkg to talk about apt-get autoclean |
| 18:51.02 | nhobart | jpinx: would that be a better option than the build in recovery tools? we had versioning issues when we used a deb7 live cd. just don't want to run into those problems with gparted |
| 18:51.47 | nhobart | stew: but AFAIK they are about as secure as you can get. firewall'd up the wazoo |
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| 18:52.02 | stew | nhobart: no, they aren't |
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| 18:52.40 | jpinx | nhobart: I haven't extended using any built-in recovery tools, but the gparted method worked a treat for me in squeeze about a month ago |
| 18:53.13 | nhobart | yeah i've always used gparted as well. thanks. we'll see how it works in lenny |
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| 18:54.16 | jpinx | nhobart: <offtopic> your clients should have a contract obliging them to maintain the latest stable release. </offtopic> |
| 18:54.20 | nhobart | stew: again - i'm sorry? i wish i could do something to make them upgrade. everyone's life would be better but they don't want to invest the coin in recoding everything |
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| 18:55.04 | nhobart | jpinx: this seems to be all a favor for an old client. i agree. that's a great idea. |
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| 18:56.50 | jpinx | nhobart: old clients are just new clients that have been around a while ;) Tell them it's upgrade or no more service --- I've kicked people off servers for less - we have standards of security to maintain ;) |
| 18:57.08 | nhobart | jpinx: your words to my CEOs ears |
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| 19:01.51 | jbhav2013 | jbhav2013 hi |
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| 19:03.29 | maddog1 | fuck you you motherfuckin censoring bitch...what are you? some kind of crooked nigger dick suckin piece of fuckin shit |
| 19:03.40 | ezra-s | :-? |
| 19:03.44 | Losowski | ? |
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| 19:04.28 | Warp4 | ? |
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| 19:06.19 | sunbeam | 2. Configure DomainKeys Identified Mail in your DNS and code. |
| 19:06.22 | sunbeam | how can I do this? |
| 19:06.35 | sunbeam | Most email i send from some address (info@domain.com) arrives in spam at gmail |
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| 19:07.34 | stew | sunbeam: you are asking how to set up dkim? |
| 19:07.46 | stew | sunbeam: or is there a particular portion of it you have a question about? |
| 19:07.49 | Losowski | ? |
| 19:07.58 | Losowski | ;) |
| 19:08.00 | sunbeam | stew: I don't know, I found this answer on stackoverflow |
| 19:08.05 | sunbeam | stew: to fix that gmail doesn |
| 19:08.09 | sunbeam | t mark my email as spam anymore |
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| 19:08.43 | generalmajor | Miscarriage of justice: § 227 first penalty option, criminal act. Norway <<for in word or action have threatened with a criminal action that may result in higher penalty than 6 months of prison..>> |
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| 19:08.58 | generalmajor | § 444 criminal procedure act. Norway <<Unless anything else are as a result of section 446, an indicted have the right to compensation from the norwegian state for economical losses that the prosecution has inflicted him |
| 19:09.00 | sunbeam | stew: http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/9157/gmail-treats-mails-from-my-domain-as-spam-why-how-to-avoid-it |
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| 19:09.27 | ezra-s | sunbeam, do you handle the smtp server that is sending the e-mail? |
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| 19:09.29 | stew | generalmajor: you can PM me if you think i have quieted you in error |
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| 19:10.13 | sunbeam | ezra-s: no, I am sending from my smtp account my ISP gave me |
| 19:10.29 | ezra-s | sunbeam, probably it's their fault not yours |
| 19:11.11 | stew | sunbeam: this is something they would have to setup (and they won't) |
| 19:11.12 | sunbeam | ezra-s: i am using a big ISP, I doubt there is something wrong with them |
| 19:11.18 | Trae32566-NE | woah. what happened in here :O |
| 19:11.28 | sunbeam | ezra-s: stew ok, ill try my own SMTP server |
| 19:11.30 | Trae32566-NE | I see a lot of bans and silencing |
| 19:11.37 | sunbeam | thats on the same server as the domain |
| 19:11.45 | ezra-s | sunbeam, you would be surprised how crapilly many big companies configure their smtp servers |
| 19:11.54 | stew | sunbeam: you can't use DKIM unless you control the DNS servers for the domain |
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| 19:13.28 | sunbeam | ezra-s: stew Why is this message in Spam? It's similar to messages that were detected by our spam filters. |
| 19:13.42 | sunbeam | stew: I do control those |
| 19:13.54 | sunbeam | stew: I get the same stuff when I send from a domain I control myself |
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| 19:14.30 | stew | this seems like a conversation you should be having with gmail |
| 19:14.43 | ezra-s | sunbeam, you don't get your e-mail marked as spam if you send with another name from the same domain? |
| 19:14.47 | sunbeam | ezra-s: yep! lets test that , sec |
| 19:14.54 | sunbeam | ill create a new acc for the same domain |
| 19:15.39 | ezra-s | I don't know what gmail specifically do to mark things as spam, but it could be as simple as the "info@ thing |
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| 19:16.43 | ezra-s | some smtp servers identify theirselves with a name which can not be dns solved for example, even big companies..I would even reject those... ;P |
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| 19:18.48 | sunbeam | ezra-s: yep, thats what i thought |
| 19:19.05 | sunbeam | ezra-s: and no, it can be dns solved |
| 19:19.12 | sunbeam | but i was also thinking it would be the Info@ thing |
| 19:19.27 | ezra-s | sunbeam, I mean the HELO command they send when they identify theirselves |
| 19:19.54 | ezra-s | sunbeam, any luck sending from whateverotherthaninfo@domain.com? |
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| 19:24.29 | mumixam | mumpitzel: you should rename to mumixam |
| 19:25.10 | mumixam | everyone seems to type mum and tab and highlight mumixam instead ;) |
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| 19:26.48 | zzing | I added deb-src http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/debian/ experimental main to my sources.list. But when I do apt-get -t experimental source lxc it says "E: The value 'experimental' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources". I am unsure how to proceed, because as far as I know this should work. |
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| 19:29.56 | stew | zzing: deb-src is for sources not binaries. /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 19:30.04 | stew | oh |
| 19:30.10 | stew | you were trying to fetch src |
| 19:30.16 | zzing | es |
| 19:30.17 | stew | zzing: did you apt-get update? |
| 19:30.22 | zzing | aptitude update |
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| 19:31.32 | zzing | I usually use pip / easy_install |
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| 19:32.33 | DammitJim | pip and easy_install aren't the same thing, right? |
| 19:32.56 | DammitJim | I'm just getting to know python and I discovered that some libraries we have in wheezy are fairly old (i.e. xlrd) |
| 19:32.58 | zzing | They use two different libraries, but from my end they do the same job |
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| 19:57.11 | DrFoo | how do I store the output of a pipe as a variable? |
| 19:57.40 | stew | DrFoo: what do you mean by a pipe? |
| 19:58.09 | DrFoo | echo "/home/user/" | PATH= |
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| 19:58.24 | ompaul | bad idea |
| 19:58.35 | ompaul | trying to think of a better one |
| 19:58.39 | DrFoo | that's not the real use.. just an example |
| 19:58.46 | ompaul | good :) |
| 19:58.53 | stew | DrFoo: do you just mean the output of a command? |
| 19:59.01 | stew | variablename=$(somecommand) |
| 19:59.08 | ompaul | var1=$(foo bar and so on) |
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| 19:59.32 | DrFoo | I chain data through a series of pipes... I want to save output of the last item as a variable |
| 19:59.51 | ozcanesen | also export deneme=`echo "a"` |
| 19:59.53 | ozcanesen | should work |
| 19:59.53 | DrFoo | command 1 | command 2 | var=$(command 3) |
| 19:59.56 | DrFoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.12 | stew | variable=$(command1 | command2 | command3) |
| 20:01.35 | ompaul | DrFoo: what he said |
| 20:02.02 | jordanm | whenever i see data "chained through pipes", that chain of pipes can usually be replaced by a single awk |
| 20:02.13 | ompaul | true |
| 20:02.21 | ompaul | but I don't think it's data functioning |
| 20:02.30 | ompaul | I think it's an alias that might be more useful |
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| 20:03.06 | jordanm | awk is an alias to mawk by default in debian |
| 20:03.09 | jordanm | not sure what you mean |
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| 20:03.52 | ompaul | setting up an alias command in a alias ll='ls -l' |
| 20:04.02 | ompaul | stick it in .bashrc or something |
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| 20:05.02 | DrFoo | this is just a proof of concept. I can rewrite it later. |
| 20:05.35 | ompaul | DrFoo: come back when it doesn't work there are many ways to skin this cat |
| 20:05.52 | ompaul | and the specifics may help get you the best response |
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| 20:06.47 | DrFoo | well at this point I'm just reading a config and setting the first field = second field |
| 20:06.56 | DrFoo | (if it's valid) |
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| 20:13.39 | ompaul | DrFoo: given what you were told - you will have to TIAS |
| 20:13.41 | ompaul | that is |
| 20:13.43 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 20:13.44 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 20:14.53 | DrFoo | it worked. thx |
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| 20:16.00 | hypfer | if i use xfce4-power-manager for standby when i close my laptop lid it takes about 5 seconds to disconnect from wifi and go into sleep. when i wake it up it also needs some time to connect again. but if I use a modified acpid script which invokes pm-suspend, the wifi doesn't get deinitialized and if i wake it up again it's instantly connected. where's the difference? i thought that pm-suspend does this deactivating stuff oO |
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| 20:20.55 | jhutchins_wk | hypfer: It sounds like you already know a lot more about the situation than most of us would. |
| 20:22.05 | hypfer | jhutchins_wk: i just need a hint how to search for what exactly the difference is |
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| 20:26.42 | hypfer | nevermind.. i took a look at the code and found out that xfce4-power-manager informs networkmanager about the suspend via dbus and then waits a few msecs |
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| 20:31.47 | hyppias | during install (aptitude) of rsyslog the /etc/rsyslog.conf does not get built. where can I find one? |
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| 20:32.48 | stew | hyppias: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:35.16 | DrFoo | if I have a variable that holds a value and I want to use that value as a variable name, how do I do it? |
| 20:35.25 | DrFoo | I'll be the first to admin this is sloppy. |
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| 20:51.16 | jhutchins_wk | hyppias: Typical place for things like that is /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 20:51.33 | jhutchins_wk | DrFoo: There might be more than one rsyslog package too. |
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| 20:52.13 | jhutchins_wk | DrFoo: rsyslog-doc is a seperate package. |
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| 20:53.24 | DrFoo | thx |
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| 20:53.48 | jhutchins_wk | How strange. Linux-headers is updated, but not linux. |
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| 20:54.28 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, no, it's removing old headers. |
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| 21:02.14 | DrFoo | Is there a way to tell a variable I want it to be global? I defined it at the top of my script, but when I change the value in a case statement, it doesn't get saved. It probably creates another var of the same name... |
| 21:05.02 | mumixam | what is this bash? |
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| 21:06.47 | anddam | Warp4: the point is I think mysql-server-5.5 installation is failing due to little RAM |
| 21:07.04 | anddam | that's why I want my-small.cnf in place when apt starts the service |
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| 21:07.22 | anddam | can I tell aptitude to install mysql-server-5.5 and not start the service? |
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| 21:08.55 | {her|ber1} | !tell mumixam about bash |
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| 21:10.14 | mumixam | ah, i was repling to DrFoo |
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| 21:10.21 | mumixam | wasnt sure what lang his script is |
| 21:10.34 | mumixam | should of highlighed him ;) |
| 21:11.00 | DrFoo | mumixam: bash is a shell |
| 21:11.12 | stew | anddam: have you tried running just "mysqld" as root to see why it fails? |
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| 21:11.33 | {her|ber1} | mumixam: well ... didn't read above :-) |
| 21:11.47 | DrFoo | mumixam: haha sorry misread your comment. well this is sh right now, could be bash though |
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| 21:14.03 | Freel0ader | any davmail devs? |
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| 21:21.46 | Benkinooby | hi, i can't find Adblock Plus in Iceweasel - am I missing something? |
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| 21:25.05 | anddam | stew: sorry just read you already suggested that |
| 21:25.13 | anddam | and I haven't (yet) |
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| 21:26.09 | mayhew | Benkinooby: you must be because it's installed by default (on Wheezy) |
| 21:26.16 | anddam | mm "Please read "Security" section of the manual to find out how to run mysqld as root!" but there's no "security" in man |
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| 21:26.39 | anddam | maybe it's not referring to mysqld(8) with "manual" |
| 21:27.06 | stew | well then run it as mysql |
| 21:27.25 | Benkinooby | mayhew: really?! nice one! - just out of curiosity - how can i remove adblock -in case some website requires me to do so? |
| 21:27.26 | anddam | "run it as" as in system user? |
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| 21:28.09 | anddam | stew: https://gist.github.com/anddam/5673076 |
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| 21:31.02 | anddam | updated gist |
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| 21:33.37 | anddam | stew: any idea? |
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| 21:46.59 | Benkinooby | mayhew: i think i found the answer to my question: adblock plus is installed as package - not as add-on for icewasel |
| 21:47.41 | Benkinooby | mayhew: so if necessary, i can remove the package - don't know how to disable for selected site though :/ |
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| 21:48.22 | Alina-malina | Hello all! Is there a channel where i can discuss a best hardware for debian OS? |
| 21:49.36 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: "best" - best for what? |
| 21:49.51 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: comaptibility, performance,... ? |
| 21:49.57 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, compatibility and performance both |
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| 21:50.11 | nevyn | Alina-malina: power? |
| 21:50.12 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: PC, laptop, server? |
| 21:50.18 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, i want to buy a notebook dedicated for debian os, but i am not sure what to pick up what model |
| 21:50.19 | mmnicolas | Alina-malina: just go shopping with a live image on a usb stick, http://live.debian.net |
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| 21:50.35 | Alina-malina | mmnicolas, what notebook would you recommend please? |
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| 21:51.21 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: he want's to say that you should test it with a live usb-stick |
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| 21:51.32 | mmnicolas | Alina-malina: I work as tech support in a retail store and I couldn't recommend one, they're all crap to me |
| 21:51.39 | nevyn | Alina-malina: the tradeoffs in notebooks are Computational Power, Battery life and weight. |
| 21:51.49 | nevyn | Alina-malina: pick 2. |
| 21:52.00 | Alina-malina | nevyn, what you mean pick 2? |
| 21:52.12 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: my advice: afaik there is a list of ubuntu-compatible laptop, since ubuntu and debian are close, your chances are good with a ubuntu-compatible notebok |
| 21:52.22 | mmnicolas | customers are the ginea pigs, best advice I can give is, buy the newest laptop built with the oldest hardware |
| 21:52.25 | Benkinooby | *notebook |
| 21:52.26 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, where ican see that list? |
| 21:52.40 | nevyn | mutters something something uefi something something |
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| 21:54.01 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: google it, i just remeber comming across this site and that is was quite up-to-date |
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| 21:54.18 | esaym | is there a away to alias "crontab -r" to something else? I don't want to accidentally run that at work and then I'll get fired :~ |
| 21:54.25 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: sorry, i am on 64k internet - super slow, browsing is pain :/ |
| 21:54.44 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, ok thanks, just a moment i will list here what i want to pick so you tell me if it is good to work with debian. |
| 21:55.38 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: i am not such an expert |
| 21:55.40 | mmnicolas | esaym: hehe, just set another cronjob to mail you a backup of the crontab daily |
| 21:55.55 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: what you can do is to go to #hardware - there are many linux/debian folks there |
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| 21:56.11 | esaym | mmnicolas: hmm, true, Whole bunch of servers though. An no crontabs backed up :o |
| 21:56.12 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, oh ok thanks! |
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| 21:56.35 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: but i'd like to backupp mmnicolas - go with "well known" hardware, avoid "fancy" multi-media crap |
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| 21:56.55 | nevyn | is mostly happy with his lenovo x230 |
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| 21:57.40 | nevyn | but I can't get debian to install... which is annoying |
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| 21:58.48 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: what do you need your laptop for? |
| 21:59.20 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, mostly use rtlsdr dongle, wifi programs and other radiowave programs researching stuff |
| 21:59.57 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, something like spectrum analizer |
| 22:00.29 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, as i was adviced that virtualbox are not good for such things, so i decide to pick one dedicated laptop for that stuff |
| 22:00.58 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: and that software you need to use runs under debian? |
| 22:01.11 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, definitely not on windows |
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| 22:01.53 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: hm, are your calculations complex? |
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| 22:02.07 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, what you mean? |
| 22:02.21 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: how important is CPU power? |
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| 22:02.44 | nevyn | vitaly important |
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| 22:02.50 | nevyn | SDR is Software defined radio |
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| 22:03.09 | nevyn | it's basically lots of matrix and transform math. |
| 22:03.15 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, i am looking to pick up i7 CPU at least with 8GB of DDR3, also i need 2TB storage for my device to do my researches |
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| 22:03.24 | Benkinooby | ah ok :) |
| 22:03.38 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: what's your budget? |
| 22:03.50 | nevyn | Alina-malina: is weight a consideration? |
| 22:04.00 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pavilion-dm4-3050us-14-750-GB-Intel-Core-i5-3-1-GHz-6-GB-Notebook-/380641850154?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item58a005b32a but with i7 proc |
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| 22:04.05 | nevyn | Alina-malina: do you need to make this field usable or just bench? |
| 22:04.39 | Alina-malina | nevyn, definitely usable, i dont want the computer to get hot or lagging on some analizing |
| 22:04.58 | Alina-malina | nevyn, maybe running a 3-4 USB wireless devices at the same time |
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| 22:05.15 | nevyn | Alina-malina: I'd suggest serious workstation laptop not a pavilion |
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| 22:05.22 | nevyn | something like an elitebook or thinkpad |
| 22:05.31 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: i backup nevyn |
| 22:05.31 | nevyn | they're more $$$ tho. |
| 22:05.39 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: forget Pavilion |
| 22:05.45 | Alina-malina | oh |
| 22:06.00 | Alina-malina | what about lenovo things? |
| 22:06.02 | Alina-malina | or dell? |
| 22:06.04 | nevyn | the cooling systems on pavilions are just not built to run the cpu hard |
| 22:06.16 | Alina-malina | nevyn, thanks for warnin |
| 22:06.18 | nevyn | lenovo thinkpad. dell alienware or latitude. |
| 22:06.27 | Alina-malina | they are so expensive |
| 22:06.33 | Alina-malina | especially alienware |
| 22:06.41 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: how much is your budget? |
| 22:06.58 | Alina-malina | i was thinking maximum of 400 for used, but i am not sure if it is enough:) |
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| 22:07.07 | Alina-malina | *us dollars |
| 22:07.25 | Alina-malina | maybe some Sheeva plug crap to be use is ok? |
| 22:07.38 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: and how about going for a portable laptop, collect the data, and the do the math on a PC? |
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| 22:08.12 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, i have an old laptop and PC at home for that things |
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| 22:08.24 | Alina-malina | but i am not sure if the money is enough for that stuff |
| 22:08.47 | Alina-malina | but thanks for warning about HP because i was going to buy it:) |
| 22:08.51 | nevyn | Alina-malina: when I said field usable I ment for aquisition from remote locations (battery no power outdoors) |
| 22:08.54 | Alina-malina | if it has problems i will not do that |
| 22:09.16 | nevyn | it doesn't have ... problems it's just not for what you want to do. |
| 22:09.24 | Alina-malina | nevyn, oh power can be supliied from car i guess, i am not sure yet |
| 22:09.29 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: the point is Pavilion is not suited for what you want |
| 22:09.40 | Alina-malina | thanks for warning! |
| 22:10.28 | Benkinooby | so what you want to do is: go somewhere, collect data, do the math on the spot? |
| 22:11.00 | Alina-malina | yes something like that, i travel mostly and i need my equipment be a little fast and mobile |
| 22:11.45 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: what i want to know: can the math wait until your return home, or do you need it instantly |
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| 22:12.06 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: if it can wait until you're home then you might find something for 400$ |
| 22:12.43 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: but if you want a fast, outdoor-usable, long-battery-life laptop, then 400 will not be enough |
| 22:12.49 | Alina-malina | Benkinooby, i am not sure about comming home, and do the math, even if it is not a laptop will be fine, just to plug into computer maybe some portable desktop computer connected to old laptop also would be fine, i have no problem with battery |
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| 22:17.44 | Benkinooby | Alina-malina: let's go #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:18.09 | Alina-malina | ok |
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| 22:26.12 | Noturno99 | Just wondering here, I wanna test and contribute by testing new software for debian, should I keep using testing or move on to unstable? |
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| 22:27.04 | boudiccas | Noturno99, if you have to ask, then maybe you shouldn't do it! |
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| 22:28.15 | Noturno99 | boudiccas, why? |
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| 22:28.49 | Noturno99 | I would like just to know a little bit more about unstable before doing it.. |
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| 22:30.49 | asturel | if i install -rt kernel it complety fucks my system up, why? i mean it wont boot with the previous kernel either |
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| 22:31.02 | asturel | im using firmware-linux |
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| 22:32.57 | Noturno99 | thanks anyway |
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| 23:25.16 | awc737 | anyone have any idea why this script always requires me to run twice? |
| 23:25.27 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/ug5 |
| 23:25.36 | awc737 | first time it runs it segfaults |
| 23:26.12 | mumpitzel | it's unlikely the script segfaults but a program the script calls. |
| 23:27.29 | awc737 | i don't even know what segfault means but it sounded cool |
| 23:27.39 | awc737 | but basically, it hangs and ctrl+c won't end it |
| 23:27.44 | awc737 | I have to close terminal, and the second time, it works |
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