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| 00:11.25 | relipse | I have a debian linode, but the php mail() function is not sending to @yahoo.com addresses. What is the proper way to set up the mail server and such. |
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| 00:34.28 | FurryHead | Okay, I still need help with this: debian refusing to automatically mount root as rw, and as a result a lot of init scripts aren't ran |
| 00:34.39 | FurryHead | Fsck is clean |
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| 00:37.50 | FurryHead | Now, however, if I boot, it gets me to a debian login screen from where I can "cd /etc/rcS.d; for i in $(ls *.sh); do $i start; done" |
| 00:38.06 | FurryHead | Then, logging out of root, the system is usably |
| 00:38.09 | FurryHead | Usable* |
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| 00:41.14 | DrFoo | what is the boolean = in a bourne shell? I'm using = but it keeps trying to execute the first argument. |
| 00:41.38 | DrFoo | this is for strings |
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| 00:44.14 | DrFoo | Ah, it's not the =, it's the | I'm using as an or |
| 00:44.27 | TJNII | DrFoo: man test |
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| 00:45.35 | DrFoo | TJNII: thx. It doesn't mention how to do an or statement |
| 00:45.51 | DrFoo | I was using the pipe based on what I read on the web |
| 00:45.58 | TJNII | Yes it does |
| 00:46.00 | TJNII | -o |
| 00:47.01 | DrFoo | people should be fined for incorrect info on the web :) |
| 00:47.02 | DrFoo | thx |
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| 00:48.53 | [TheFlash] | should i submit a bug report to debian for the sound issue? |
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| 00:55.07 | DrFoo | I keep getting the same message |
| 00:55.29 | DrFoo | [ :missing ] |
| 00:55.39 | DrFoo | when I add the or part of the statement |
| 00:55.51 | DrFoo | If I keep 1 condition, it runs fine. |
| 00:56.20 | TJNII | You have a space before ] right? |
| 00:56.34 | TJNII | Paste your conditional |
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| 00:59.03 | pingding | Can anyone help me setup multi-monitor settings on wheezy? |
| 00:59.39 | pingding | wow, crickets. |
| 00:59.44 | pingding | fabulous |
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| 01:00.21 | klys | pingding: you want framebuffersupport or |
| 01:00.23 | klys | Xorg |
| 01:00.37 | pingding | xorg -- dual ati cards |
| 01:00.46 | klys | !ati |
| 01:00.46 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 01:01.04 | pingding | lol, nice. |
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| 01:03.25 | pingding | alright, trying this... bbl |
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| 01:04.37 | TJNII | !dpkg: radeon |
| 01:04.37 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 01:13.00 | elkingrey | I just downloaded a torrent of the stable wheezy. Can somebody link me to the md5sum page so I can verify? I can't seem to find it. |
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| 01:16.57 | htor_ | whats the time in the states now? |
| 01:17.12 | elkingrey | Which part? |
| 01:17.28 | htor_ | eastern |
| 01:17.35 | elkingrey | 21:17 |
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| 01:17.54 | htor_ | hmmm, then good afternoon |
| 01:17.56 | Tramp | !tell elkingrey -about torrent |
| 01:18.19 | Tramp | elkingrey: on this page, if you click on the links you get to the directories which have *sums |
| 01:18.51 | elkingrey | That's what people say, but I never see it. |
| 01:19.59 | Cueball | Hey all. Having trouble with upgrade to Wheezy. I've got the system updated but I can't get postfix to correctly install. |
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| 01:20.07 | Tramp | well, the links under "Official torrens for ...." - select your arch and you see the directory-listing, don't you? |
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| 01:20.29 | jeep | elkingrey: the md5/sha sums are in the ftp directory with the iso's |
| 01:20.34 | Tramp | elkingrey: e.g.: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 01:20.37 | elkingrey | Ahh, I think I found it. When it shows you a list of torrents, you have to go to the parent page, then click md5sum |
| 01:20.41 | Cueball | insserv: script postfix: service mail-transport-agent already provided! <---- one of the errors |
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| 01:21.24 | erasmus | Can I tell apt-get to not install the packages but instead just download them to a specified location? |
| 01:21.26 | erasmus | I need help in fixing a machine that's not online |
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| 01:21.54 | Cueball | http://paste.debian.net/7910/ <---- Full error from dpkg |
| 01:22.06 | Cueball | Anyone know how to sort this? |
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| 01:23.30 | jeep | erasmus: apt works way better when online so it can grab dependencies can you put that computer online till you fix it ? |
| 01:23.49 | Tramp | erasmus: maybe "man aptitude" search for "download" |
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| 01:32.30 | regorianer | well, i am too stupid to set up supervisor (daemontools) ... i installed daemontools and daemontools-run and put a testscript with a simple loop and echo to /dev/null as the run script in /etc/service/run. after running sudo svscanboot i get the processes supvervices (thats what i guess) http://pastebin.com/uHw0Terq but i am not able to stop it (when its started ... that i am not sure about) with svc -d /etc/server/testSupervise |
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| 01:35.26 | elkingrey | I'm running the graphical install and it keeps telling me that it cannot detect and mount CD-ROM. No kidding! I don't have a CD ROM. It won't let me install because it can't find CD-ROM. What do I do? |
| 01:35.53 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: did you use unetbootin? |
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| 01:36.52 | elkingrey | zykotick9: Yes |
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| 01:37.19 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: that "might" be the issue then. use cat/dd/cp to create the USB. |
| 01:38.03 | elkingrey | hmm, I remember having this problem on a different machine and I can't remember how I bypassed it. It wasn't that method though. |
| 01:38.03 | qaz | unetbootin give problem just dd direclty to the usb |
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| 01:38.33 | elkingrey | Okay, I've never done that before. What do I do? Just type cat/dd/cp in the terminal? |
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| 01:38.57 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: cat dd cp are 3 different options for the same thing. |
| 01:39.12 | elkingrey | oh |
| 01:39.32 | elkingrey | But that won't turn the iso into a usb bootable drive. |
| 01:39.49 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: as root "cat foo.iso > /deb/sdb" (IF, and only IF) sdb is your USB drive. no partition number required! |
| 01:40.11 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: debian isos have been hybrid iso/usb since squeeze. |
| 01:40.16 | qaz | dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/usb <--- check the driveusing dmesg |
| 01:40.38 | qaz | cat debian.iso > /dev/usb |
| 01:40.53 | qaz | need to run from root or using sudo |
| 01:41.07 | zykotick9 | sudo will have issues with the > |
| 01:41.10 | elkingrey | In that case couldn't I simply drag the iso over to the drive? How is cat, dd, or cp any different? |
| 01:41.44 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: ahhh, i doubt you can drag-n-drop to the drive |
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| 01:43.30 | jcalvinowens | Hello all. I was using squeeze-backport kernels - do I need to downgrade them to squeeze (2.6.32.*) before I upgrade to Wheezy? |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | elkingrey: numerous ways |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | jcalvinowens: probably not |
| 01:44.32 | jcalvinowens | abrotman: Ok. I recall having issues with something like that in the past, but I may be making it up... thanks! |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | jcalvinowens: let me rephrase "likely not", but possible |
| 01:45.44 | jcalvinowens | abrotman: ha, well, I think I'll take the quick and easy path this time. |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | wonders which route that is :)O |
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| 01:51.19 | jcalvinowens | I'll just upgrade. I would think that if it broke badly I would have seen complaints about it somewhere. ;) |
| 01:52.06 | klys | somewhere == bugtraq bugs.debian.org |
| 01:53.41 | jcalvinowens | klys: Yep, looked there, didn't see any such |
| 01:53.46 | jeep | elkingrey: unetbootin fails like 30% of the time in my experience |
| 01:55.03 | abrotman | only 30%? |
| 01:56.18 | jeep | abrotman: ok your right maybe closer to 50% |
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| 01:56.52 | Guest48188 | hola |
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| 01:57.04 | Guest48188 | como instalo debian en una tablet con android |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:57.27 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 01:57.32 | Guest48188 | se ke se puede pk una marca de tablets venezolana llamada vit viene con el debian |
| 01:58.04 | acu2 | I have a strange string of freezez of KEYBOARD on several Debian Wheezy AMD64 installs (Laptops and Workstations) - I wonder if anyone have experience similar things, and if yes, is this a bug ? |
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| 01:58.39 | acu2 | Keyboard Freeze on Wheezy -- any hint ? |
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| 02:01.20 | acu2 | I just google now the keyboard freeze on wheezy, it seem to be widespread |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | is there a useful bug report? |
| 02:01.59 | jeep | acu2: i would think the issue would be more related to xorg |
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| 02:03.35 | acu2 | jeep: it is possible, because I have different computers with different Desktops (GNOME, KDE, lxde) and they seem to render similar behavior |
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| 02:04.23 | acu2 | abrotman: I am trying now to see what are the errors - dmesg did not give me anything of significance, but I should look on other error logs - do you have any suggestion where to look for ? |
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| 02:04.41 | abrotman | maybe the Xorg.0.log .. depends where it is freezing |
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| 02:32.07 | qaz | how force apt to unstall a specific package version? |
| 02:32.48 | relipse | apt-force-specific-package <package-name> |
| 02:32.57 | relipse | just kidding, i dont know jack about linux |
| 02:33.27 | ghostbar | qaz: you can't have two versions of a package. apt prevents that. |
| 02:33.31 | ghostbar | Actually, dpkg. |
| 02:33.35 | qaz | I'm try to get sudo apt-get install php5=5.4.4-15 |
| 02:33.40 | jeep | qaz: download the .deb then dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 02:33.42 | qaz | but it ignore the version |
| 02:33.46 | ghostbar | Just use aptitude uninstall php5 |
| 02:34.01 | ghostbar | and then use aptitude hold php5 |
| 02:34.09 | ghostbar | so it doesn't updates php5 to newer versions |
| 02:35.06 | zykotick9 | ghostbar: i don't think uninstall is a valid command with aptitude |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | looks at relipse |
| 02:35.34 | ghostbar | remove or whatever |
| 02:36.09 | qaz | tring with aptitude |
| 02:36.49 | qaz | mmmhhh |
| 02:38.20 | qaz | aptitude installing one package 5.4.4 and the rest 5.5.0-rc2 |
| 02:39.07 | qaz | not good phpmyadmin have problem with that ....need to reinstall testing??? |
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| 02:40.38 | ghostbar | qaz: try with purge then |
| 02:41.17 | ghostbar | and if there's not a conflict on the debian/control of packages there should be no issue on using a different php5 than the rest of the libraries |
| 02:42.00 | qaz | i thing phpmy admin don't reconize the php 5.5 |
| 02:42.35 | ghostbar | And you tried it already? Does phpmyadmin have a conflict stated on the debian/control? |
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| 02:42.52 | ghostbar | If so it should tell you that while doing the upgrade/install/whatever |
| 02:43.10 | elkingrey | When choosing whether to do default, live, or graphical install, what is the default option? |
| 02:43.40 | ghostbar | default is ncurses |
| 02:43.53 | qaz | nope but after i enter with the right username and password I just get an white page....all this becase apache upgrade yesterday |
| 02:44.22 | qaz | on the debian site is still the regular version but on the repo is the new one |
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| 02:44.57 | ghostbar | What about the logs? |
| 02:45.02 | ghostbar | Are there any bugs reported? |
| 02:45.06 | ghostbar | bugs.debian.org/phpmyadmin |
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| 02:46.14 | qaz | ok here the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669843 |
| 02:46.28 | qaz | need to wait couple days /weeks to get the new version |
| 02:46.30 | qaz | nice |
| 02:47.13 | qaz | think I need to reinstall |
| 02:47.27 | qaz | and just use testing packages |
| 02:49.15 | ghostbar | qaz: what are you using now? |
| 02:49.31 | qaz | mix testing /sid |
| 02:51.16 | qaz | @ghostbar thanks for the help |
| 02:51.26 | ghostbar | np ;-) |
| 02:51.54 | qaz | yeap I will do that after the reinstall |
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| 02:53.07 | zykotick9 | qaz: if you keep mixing repos, expect to continue having issues. see "/msg dpkg frankendebian" for some details. |
| 02:55.50 | qaz | yeap look like a nice reinstall and sue just one branch is the best for my server |
| 02:56.18 | qaz | *use |
| 02:56.43 | zykotick9 | qaz: testing "might" be the worst choice for a "server". YMMV. |
| 02:57.01 | qaz | I did because some package on testing got some bugs |
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| 02:57.34 | qaz | I think now the the new package did the transation from unstable > testing |
| 02:57.38 | qaz | so will be ok |
| 02:57.43 | qaz | I hope |
| 02:57.53 | ghostbar | zykotick9: what? Testing is cool for servers xD |
| 02:58.18 | zykotick9 | ghostbar: if security isn't an issue... sure. |
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| 02:58.37 | qaz | now I will try to install wheezy |
| 02:58.44 | qaz | an see if everythink is ok |
| 02:58.54 | ghostbar | zykotick9: using stable wont give you more security, but more stability. |
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| 02:59.51 | zykotick9 | ghostbar: not accurate. there is a team for security on stable. testing is the last to get security updates normally. sid/stable in a race for 1st. |
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| 03:00.28 | ghostbar | zykotick9: it needs a security team because it doesn't get updates! |
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| 03:01.00 | ghostbar | zykotick9: and security updates gets free-pass to testing |
| 03:01.23 | ghostbar | if they are security updates. If priority=low then it has to wait the 12-14 days for the migration. |
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| 03:02.41 | Azzy | Don't forget, we all know new features in testing *never* introduce new security flaws.</sarcasm> |
| 03:02.44 | zykotick9 | ghostbar: security aside for a moment. if you are paid to run a server for someone, and use testing/unstable it's my opinion - you should be fired. YMMV. i'm done with this conversation. take care. |
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| 03:03.34 | qaz | yes usually I want the new bugfix ...i don't care really about new features |
| 03:03.52 | qaz | I thin for a commercial server you need to use a stable |
| 03:04.00 | qaz | for home a testing I think is good |
| 03:04.58 | qaz | (I said this after I did the mistake to use some package from unstable ;-) ) |
| 03:04.58 | Warp4 | i wouldnt dedicate a machine to testing |
| 03:05.02 | Azzy | I don't see any reason to use tesing unless you're.... wait for it... interested in testing things. If you're more interested in just having stuff reliably work, that's why we have stable. |
| 03:05.03 | Warp4 | i would run it under a vm |
| 03:05.34 | zykotick9 | Warp4: +1 to vm suggestion ;) |
| 03:05.46 | Warp4 | thanks :) |
| 03:05.48 | qaz | like I said sometimes you have a bug and you want the bugfix |
| 03:06.04 | Warp4 | i run 2 debian mail routers -- one running debian 7 and the other debian testing |
| 03:06.21 | Warp4 | both loadbalanced to port 25 (via a loadbalancing appliance running debian 7). |
| 03:06.22 | qaz | stable sometimes take really a long time to habe the bug fixed |
| 03:06.35 | Warp4 | both running identical software and configs, only difference is the OS |
| 03:07.14 | Warp4 | all three machines are VMs and when one VM goes offline, load balancing kicks in and delivers to the other mail router/spooler until the other comes online |
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| 03:08.58 | qaz | nice |
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| 03:09.42 | qaz | I give a shot to 7 |
| 03:10.01 | qaz | and see if I can do all |
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| 03:10.35 | qaz | I'm doing with testing |
| 03:10.50 | nell | Debian wizards!!! Icedove 10.0.12 is not compatible with enigmail plugin !!! |
| 03:13.29 | zykotick9 | nell: are you getting both from wheezy main? |
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| 03:14.50 | nell | uh |
| 03:14.59 | nell | I guess yeah |
| 03:15.17 | Warp4 | uses Thunderbird :) |
| 03:15.19 | nell | I installed icedove from it and from there the enigmail plugin from add-on store |
| 03:15.30 | nell | dat Icedove tho |
| 03:15.44 | zykotick9 | nell: "enigmail" is a debian package as well... |
| 03:16.04 | qaz | this is wnat i don't get it apache ok is can understand you use a testing version a little bit older but stable, but iceweaseal 10 when firefox is version 21 is too much |
| 03:16.15 | nell | the heck |
| 03:16.18 | nell | installs enigmail |
| 03:16.44 | zykotick9 | qaz: see mozilla.debian.net for newer versions |
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| 03:17.42 | nell | no man or help or anything |
| 03:17.48 | nell | do I just install enigmail update and upgrade |
| 03:18.03 | qaz | server iceweaseal 17 on the desktop ver 20 |
| 03:18.11 | zykotick9 | qaz: but i consider mozilla's recent "race" for version numbers... a poor choice. |
| 03:18.16 | qaz | really don't use too much the X on teh server |
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| 03:18.42 | qaz | maybe I too cutting edge |
| 03:19.17 | zykotick9 | qaz: suffering from SNS are you? ;) "/msg dpkg sns" if you are unfamiliar. |
| 03:19.18 | qaz | and some people told me to chec Arch...I did it..Debian is my only love |
| 03:19.48 | qaz | heheh chould be |
| 03:19.58 | qaz | *could |
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| 03:26.10 | qaz | mmhhh backports...Is a long time I did use them.... |
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| 03:27.19 | hellllp | can someone please help a poor confused noob? i have a raspberry pi running raspbian wheezy and setting up bluetooth dongle seems to not work. the bluetooth manager doesnt show at all and from the command line i can scan for my phone fine but also not connect either |
| 03:28.03 | zykotick9 | !tell hellllp about raspbian |
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| 03:32.39 | moof2 | what's something that -is- debian that would work on whatever hardware he has? |
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| 03:37.04 | moof2 | also, how can I tell if my laptop has a builtin bluetooth adapter? |
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| 03:50.07 | moof2 | I may have to resort to removing two kernel packages from my system; one of which is the running kernel... how would I go about that? |
| 03:52.15 | kingsley_ | moof2: It seems to me that Debian won't run on "whatever hardware". Debian is relatively universal, but it's not perfect. |
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| 03:53.14 | moof2 | kingsley_, oh, I was under the impression that the thing he has running raspian was specific enough to be unambiguous... so... thanks, and never mind |
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| 03:53.23 | kingsley_ | moof2: If you're still wondering if your laptop has a built in bluetooth adapter, I'd humbly suggest searching Google's indices for it's make, model and "bluetooth". |
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| 03:54.25 | moof2 | ok, thanks. and especially thanks for looking in the scrollback, shows you really wanted to be of service |
| 03:54.34 | frdmn | (j |
| 03:54.40 | frdmn | fail, sory |
| 03:54.41 | moof2 | something I'm profoundly appreciative of |
| 03:54.43 | frdmn | *sorry |
| 03:54.48 | kingsley_ | moof2: You're welcome. |
| 03:54.50 | moof2 | no worries |
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| 03:56.54 | moof2 | hmm, I may have fixed what could have been my ugly unmanagable package database problem |
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| 03:57.18 | kingsley_ | moof2: Lastly, I find myself wondering if you really *have* to remove the kernel for the running package, but I suppose if you really, really do, a command line program like "dpkg". "apt-get" or "aptitude" might do it with some kind of "force" option. Having said that, I'm worried it might render your computer unusable, so I'd look for alternatives. |
| 03:57.55 | moof2 | yeah, I just ran apttituce install -f, that may have made things better |
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| 03:58.38 | moof2 | yeah, I'm pretty careful with forcing |
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| 03:59.22 | kingsley_ | moof2: I like your approach of using "-f" to fix installations. |
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| 04:00.09 | moof2 | aptitude -f install was the alternative... I was just about to don my golden screwdriver and other such tools like rm and mv, so far not necessary... |
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| 04:00.57 | hellllp | so why is debian better than windows?> |
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| 04:01.42 | moof2 | hellllp, there's two sides to that, which are what debian people think/know, and the other side is really about your preferences |
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| 04:02.46 | hellllp | i have a raspberry pi running raspbian which is debian based, is debian much different to that? |
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| 04:03.12 | zykotick9 | hellllp: that isn't a support-style question. for the second part see "/msg dpkg based on debian" |
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| 04:03.54 | moof2 | and a big big big part of your preferences is whether you're willing to learn a fair chunk of stuff to get started, and realize for anything new you'd want to do (which may involve installing stuff) there may be learning to do on your part |
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| 04:04.16 | ctx144k | hi all |
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| 04:04.28 | moof2 | hi. |
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| 04:04.53 | qaz | ok base system (debian 7) installed |
| 04:05.00 | hellllp | so with my earlier question, the raspbian chat has noone to help me, can anyonehere or not really? |
| 04:05.17 | ctx144k | anyone knows how to know how i get informations about the current using graphic driver? |
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| 04:06.00 | zykotick9 | hellllp: only "debian" is supported in #debian. you could try ##linux perhaps. |
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| 04:06.01 | moof2 | hellllp, officially no... if you were to install debian on it, then yes, we'd potentially help you from the point of when you start installing to getting it running |
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| 04:07.37 | hellllp | moof2, would a full version of debian run on a raspberry pi? i thought thats why they have the raspbian version |
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| 04:07.49 | moof2 | hellllp, that part I don't know :) |
| 04:08.07 | hellllp | lol |
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| 04:08.27 | hellllp | all i need is bluetooth to damn work so i can finish my project :( |
| 04:08.36 | hellllp | hate how tech throws curve balls |
| 04:08.44 | moof2 | I only have a vague idea what that device is... and, also that would be my question too |
| 04:08.52 | moof2 | yeah I kinda hate that too |
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| 04:12.44 | moof2 | hmm :) I may have recovered from a potentially totally unbootable situation before trying to boot and not using any dpkg force options :) |
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| 04:13.47 | moof2 | so in wheezy, is dracut -required- for generating initrds? |
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| 04:16.56 | riesdra | hello |
| 04:17.26 | riesdra | how can I use this? |
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| 04:18.13 | mumpitzel | riesdra: use what? |
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| 04:18.27 | riesdra | the irc |
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| 04:18.40 | riesdra | its my first time here |
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| 04:18.51 | mumpitzel | you already are. do you have a problem with debian? if so, describe it |
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| 04:19.36 | moof2 | riesdra, so you have ended up in a "room" which has a specific topic, which is supporting something called debian... do you know of it? |
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| 04:20.10 | riesdra | whem i use vlc in few minutes the notebook block the video, and i have put my password for turn show video |
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| 04:21.03 | riesdra | when i use smplayer this don't happen |
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| 04:21.13 | moof2 | so you have a screen saver with a lock |
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| 04:21.50 | moof2 | are you watching shorter videos with smplayer? |
| 04:21.53 | riesdra | yeah i have |
| 04:22.09 | riesdra | but why with smplayer this don't happen? |
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| 04:22.22 | moof2 | that is interesting, I have no idea |
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| 04:23.35 | riesdra | has a option, relative with economy energy, but I did disable this option |
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| 04:24.52 | mumpitzel | cause your vlc hasn't the setting to disable screensaver enabled. http://i.stack.imgur.com/GuyGd.png see this to enable it |
| 04:26.04 | riesdra | someone knows if mate desktop will come on official repository? |
| 04:26.09 | Lns | Does anyone have info on Apache2 / PHP parsing issues after Squeeze -> Wheezy upgrade? I've looked over what I think are the obvious issues (libapache2-mod-php5 installed along with most other php packages, which curiously I had to reinstall php5 package)..Restarted Apache2, cleared browser cache, ...running out of ideas |
| 04:26.10 | moof2 | again, interesting... I wasn't aware that some programs reached into other's config settings like that |
| 04:26.49 | moof2 | Lns, with regard to your explanation, you're almost there... |
| 04:27.07 | moof2 | we need "what did you expect to happen" and "what happened instead" |
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| 04:27.50 | Lns | moof2, =p I expect my php files to execute and show normal webpages, instead I see source of php files |
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| 04:28.24 | Lns | Thank you for responding |
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| 04:29.06 | riesdra | mumpitzel is checked |
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| 04:29.42 | Lns | No remaining issues in apache2 error.log either |
| 04:29.43 | jebb | im trying to share a folder with samba but the permissions on the folder are 777 root ... would this prevent me from accessing from a windows computer because its in the root groupe? |
| 04:30.55 | moof2 | Lns, welcome, so the php is not configured properly somewhere (maybe it's that a <directory> with something that allows php in the specified dir? I forget exactly how that works) |
| 04:31.44 | Lns | Maybe I should purge php5 packages and re-install from scratch |
| 04:31.56 | qaz | nice phpmyadmin is up |
| 04:31.57 | mumpitzel | riesdra: which vlc is it? dpkg -l vlc |tail -1 |
| 04:32.11 | qaz | I think is better I get tt-rss for source |
| 04:32.18 | qaz | *from |
| 04:32.20 | moof2 | Lns, maybe qaz just went thru that |
| 04:32.46 | moof2 | also #httpd is an additional source of info in case you don't get the answer here |
| 04:32.57 | Lns | ty |
| 04:33.07 | qaz | @moof2 tnx |
| 04:33.18 | riesdra | 2.0.6-dmo1 |
| 04:33.50 | Lns | qaz, did you have my same issue? |
| 04:34.00 | moof2 | qaz, did you just solve a problem for yourself like Lns has now? if so maybe you can help him get over the hump |
| 04:34.33 | Lns | It sucks too because I had to leave for the day so my site has been down all day =( just now being able to try and figure it out some more |
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| 04:34.48 | moof2 | the purge/reinstall thing could work, at approximately last resort |
| 04:34.56 | qaz | I reinstall my server because I did a mess between testing and unstable |
| 04:34.59 | riesdra | when i used squeeze it's don't happens, only now with wheezy |
| 04:35.03 | qaz | now I'm uisng stable |
| 04:35.11 | qaz | maybe with backports |
| 04:35.17 | qaz | and ssome source |
| 04:35.53 | qaz | what version is the php5 ---> 5.4.4? |
| 04:35.54 | Lns | hmm, yeah i did an upgrade from pure squeeze to wheezy |
| 04:36.13 | Lns | Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) PHP/5.4.4-14 |
| 04:36.16 | qaz | what repo you using? |
| 04:36.25 | qaz | ok so apache and php are ok |
| 04:36.36 | Lns | cdn |
| 04:36.40 | Lns | (repo) |
| 04:36.57 | qaz | ok |
| 04:37.04 | qaz | and what error you received? |
| 04:38.02 | Lns | qaz, well at first it was complaining (upon apache2 restart) of mcrypt.so pdo_pgsql.so pgsql.so modules not being able to load.. |
| 04:38.17 | Lns | I reinstalled the modules and those went away, so no more errors in error.log |
| 04:38.52 | qaz | you used the mantainer conf files or you keeped yours? |
| 04:39.23 | Lns | yeah....uhm, I think I kept mine for fear of something breaking..haha, maybe I should purge huh? |
| 04:40.12 | qaz | make a backup and use the new ones |
| 04:40.36 | Lns | roger |
| 04:40.54 | qaz | :) |
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| 04:43.24 | Lns | argh..trying not to remove the php that is a dependency of wordpress =/ |
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| 04:45.01 | qaz | what the name of the package? |
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| 04:45.25 | Lns | not sure..i purged php5 and libapache2-mod-php5 and re-installed but problem persists |
| 04:45.58 | Lns | "apt-get --purge remove libapache2-mod-php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-curl php5-gd php5-imagick php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-pgsql" (it was one of these) |
| 04:46.10 | qaz | ok |
| 04:46.36 | qaz | check with deborphan if there is any old package |
| 04:46.49 | qaz | is good to romove these |
| 04:46.51 | Lns | oh wait |
| 04:46.54 | Lns | ...hold pls heh |
| 04:47.30 | qaz | ok |
| 04:47.36 | Lns | it was libapache php module that was wp dep |
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| 04:50.43 | qaz | so the libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 04:53.22 | Lns | i'm beginning to think i'm gonna have to carefully place configs back on default configs after i purge and reinstall |
| 04:54.00 | Ghormoon | hi, any idea, what could be wrong, when I see exim bind correctly to port 25, nothing in iptables but when I nmap the machine, I don't see port 25? (can't telnet to it etc.) |
| 04:54.03 | Lns | i'm gonna pull the trigger i think..what could possibly go wrong ;) |
| 04:54.12 | qaz | heheheh |
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| 04:54.20 | mumpitzel | Ghormoon: firewall |
| 04:54.56 | Ghormoon | I don't think I have anything except iptables (well, maybe if it was in default wheezy install) |
| 04:55.53 | mumpitzel | also your ISP might block port 25 |
| 04:56.06 | Lns | Ghormoon, if you temp. disable any iptables rules, does it work? also ^^^ |
| 04:56.38 | mumpitzel | check your port 25 connections inside your LAN |
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| 04:57.09 | Ghormoon | http://ghormoon.ghorland.net/iptables iptables should be clean :D |
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| 04:58.12 | Ghormoon | but maybe the problem is not on the network with the machine runnig exim but network where I sit now :D just realised ^^ |
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| 05:07.26 | fprophet | Can someone help me with a problem I've been having for the passed 2 weeks. I can't run Xorg -configure. I get "xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)" |
| 05:08.19 | klys | are you running it from screen? ls -l /dev/tty0; grep tty0 /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 05:08.53 | mumpitzel | fprophet: why do you need a xorg.conf? |
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| 05:09.44 | fprophet | I'm trying to run a VNC server on a vps so that I can view the desktop. but when I do this I can't open a terminal or a web browser. I was told that maybe I need to configure X |
| 05:10.08 | mumpitzel | what you were told was wrong. you run a vncserver and that's it |
| 05:10.20 | fprophet | Thats what I originally did |
| 05:10.28 | mumpitzel | which vnc server? |
| 05:10.33 | fprophet | tightvncserver |
| 05:10.36 | fprophet | and vnc4server |
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| 05:11.29 | fprophet | I'm running the server as a user, but when I connect from a vnc client and try to open a terminal(like xfce default terminal) I'll get errors that say Input/output error |
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| 05:11.50 | Lns | qaz, holy hell it worked =D |
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| 05:13.38 | fprophet | I've tried other window managers as well with very similar results |
| 05:13.52 | Lns | Some weirdness while installing php5-mysql - it didn't seem to have the ability to create configs in /etc/php5/mods-available or /etc/php5/conf.d (both dirs didn't exist, I created them manually and it went through with the install) |
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| 05:49.53 | Yogi034 | ANybody there to help me with Debian Linux |
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| 05:50.33 | jeep | Yogi034: justtype your question and wait for an answer |
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| 05:53.47 | R_Rios | Does anyone here use the oxygen fonts? If noone does, can anyone recommend me a good set of fonts for KDE? |
| 05:54.36 | Yogi034 | I am getting the following error when i run fetchmail command ".fetchmailrc:7: syntax error at there" |
| 05:55.39 | Wulf | Yogi034: excellent |
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| 05:58.32 | Yogi034 | plzzzz help me |
| 05:58.56 | mumpitzel | Yogi034: pastebin your fetchmailrc. obfuscate all logins and passwords |
| 05:59.12 | mumpitzel | Yogi034: fetchmail doesn't like line 7 of the file. so look at that line |
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| 05:59.38 | Yogi034 | oh kk thank u mumpitzel |
| 06:00.25 | excalibr | Hey..what's in CD iso 2/3/4/5/6/7/8 |
| 06:00.34 | Wulf | Yogi034: you're welcome |
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| 06:00.45 | Wulf | excalibr: packages, lots of packages. |
| 06:00.46 | mumpitzel | excalibr: the rest of the debian repositories |
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| 06:01.54 | excalibr | which packages are on which cds? |
| 06:02.36 | mumpitzel | the least one used are on cd 8. the most used (and the ones needed to install) on cd 1 |
| 06:02.46 | mumpitzel | !tell excalibr about popcon |
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| 06:10.48 | timmmaaaayyy | anyone know how to fix this: http://pastebin.com/47hi08Sa |
| 06:11.30 | mumpitzel | !tell timmmaaaayyy abour raspbian |
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| 06:12.30 | jelly-home | !tell timmmaaaayyy -about available |
| 06:13.08 | timmmaaaayyy | thank you jelly-home. i'll give this a shit |
| 06:13.34 | mumpitzel | timmmaaaayyy: you run raspbian, we can't support that |
| 06:13.35 | klys | you can't run out of disk space while dpkg is operating. if you do, you run the risk of a short write to your available file or your status file. pull the file up with emacs or your favorite text editor and fill in the blanks, then apt should start working again. |
| 06:14.41 | jelly-home | klys: surely dpkg isn't that dumb to corrupt status |
| 06:14.59 | klys | I have before, when etch was sid. |
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| 06:16.41 | jelly-home | hopefully that particular bug got filed and fixed |
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| 06:18.26 | timmmaaaayyy | neither way worked jelly-home....first one ran, but didn't fix the issue. second one failed saying deselect isn't a command |
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| 06:18.41 | timmmaaaayyy | must be raspbian lacking that |
| 06:18.42 | klys | it's dselect |
| 06:18.54 | timmmaaaayyy | i copy pasted...that was a typo |
| 06:18.59 | frewsxcv94040 | Is there a guide to get sound working? it works fine on Ubuntu, but it doesnt' work on Debian OOTB |
| 06:20.09 | jelly-home | timmmaaaayyy: ask your distro's channel, then, dselect should be present in debian (even if noone uses it any more) |
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| 06:20.28 | klys | start with `lspci -vvv | less' and `lsmod | grep snd' you want ALSA |
| 06:20.32 | timmmaaaayyy | lol. well it deleted that file, but now i get : dpkg: error: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 06:20.46 | timmmaaaayyy | i'll ask in the right channel. i was asking here becuase it's a more technical crowd |
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| 06:22.29 | mumpitzel | !raspbian |
| 06:22.30 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 06:22.34 | mumpitzel | no you are not in the right channel |
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| 06:23.37 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: he's present in #raspbian |
| 06:23.53 | mumpitzel | that's good. then he should ask there, not here, no? |
| 06:24.06 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: and that's what he just said he'd do |
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| 06:25.18 | Jasonathome | thats what she said |
| 06:25.43 | Jasonathome | hahahaa |
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| 06:30.46 | Jasonathome | man Debian is great |
| 06:31.02 | Jasonathome | it runs on everything |
| 06:31.03 | frewsxcv94040 | `man gcc` is great |
| 06:31.39 | Jasonathome | thats a lot |
| 06:31.49 | Jasonathome | 0.O |
| 06:32.03 | mumpitzel | the info text for it is a lot bigger |
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| 06:40.53 | spal | what would be the right way to make my man directory searchable while not affecting the existing man paths? export MANPATH=$PATH:~/povray/man helps to see "man povray", but I can no longer "man ls", "man cp", etc. |
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| 06:48.21 | peterrooney | spal: So close. Try MANPATH="$MANPATH":~/povray/man |
| 06:50.30 | Jasonathome | haha i was just on oracle docs page titled "Setting Environment Variables", and nowhere on page does it show you how to do it |
| 06:50.49 | Jasonathome | i could have come here for help +) |
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| 06:51.32 | nitestryker | manpath=work womenspath = kitchen |
| 06:51.38 | nitestryker | ahahaha |
| 06:52.07 | peterrooney | Jasonathome: you'd get better help in #bash |
| 06:52.35 | histo | When are we going to have to be politically correct and person -k person |
| 06:52.58 | Jasonathome | peterrooney: good idea... yeah i did assume i was using bash too |
| 06:53.16 | jelly-home | nitestryker: mysogyny is not topical here, keep it to yourself |
| 06:53.26 | peterrooney | !ops nitestryker sexism hasn't been funny since...never |
| 06:53.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: peterrooney complains about: nitestryker sexism hasn't been funny since...never |
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| 07:00.03 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 07:00.04 | dpkg | <jm_> twb: it's microsoft software <twb> Ha! <twb> AngryDrake: OK, step one is to unbuckle your belt, remove your trousers and bend over. A microsoft technician will be along shortly. |
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| 07:04.15 | scootypuff | so i connected a usb device to it's drivers using 'sudo modprobe usbserial vendor=0x067b product=0×2303' and set up the port with minicom. I can write to the port and it functions properly but i cant read from it. anyone know whats wrong? |
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| 07:05.45 | Jasonathome | microsoft is making the crappiest products |
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| 07:06.36 | Jasonathome | i think XP is just OK, but after that it is just about the worst OS out there |
| 07:07.06 | scootypuff | anyone? |
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| 07:08.12 | Jasonathome | i wish i knew how to use minicom i would try to help |
| 07:08.23 | Lns | scootypuff, can you ls -l the usbtty device? did you check read perms on it? |
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| 07:09.52 | scootypuff | crwxrwxrwx 1 root dialout 188, 1 Jun 1 03:09 /dev/ttyUSB1 |
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| 07:11.57 | scootypuff | and i tried chmod 777ing it, didnt change anything |
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| 07:14.27 | blubberdiblub | scootypuff, what exactly does "i can't read from it" mean? what program are you using to read from it? what parameters are you using? what's the error message? |
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| 07:16.15 | mithenks | hi |
| 07:17.15 | Jasonathome | hi |
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| 07:20.45 | scootypuff | blubberdiblub:im using a python to send a message to a microcontroller using a ttl-usb adapter. i can write to the device and see that it got the message because it starts moving shit. The problem is that it should send a message back but im not reading anything being returned. i know 100% it is not the microcontroller because it worked fine with a different tty-usb adapter. |
| 07:21.29 | blubberdiblub | scootypuff, do you see data coming in when you just use minicom to talk to it? |
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| 07:23.31 | Jasonathome | wow i really hate those FAQ pages that make you click a link to see every single one |
| 07:23.45 | Jasonathome | how gd stupid is the person |
| 07:24.16 | scootypuff | i dont know mincom well enough to do that |
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| 07:25.40 | blubberdiblub | scootypuff, if the protocol consists of ascii messages, you just type your message and wait for the answer. anyway, if it worked with a different usb serial adaptor in the otherwise same setup, it pretty much sounds like a hardware problem to me |
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| 07:28.26 | qaz | have a good one |
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| 07:35.10 | rlewis_ | an embarrassing question. in chronium, when pressing f or shift f, there will have small tool tips appeared (shown like gg, s, etc.), then i can press e.g. gg, s directly going to that page. how should i call this function? |
| 07:35.56 | rlewis_ | i am searching similar function in keyboard featured browser, but can't search with the right keyword. |
| 07:37.36 | mumpitzel | rlewis_: search? ctrl+f and ctrl+shift+f do searches, but I dunno what shift-f does in chrome |
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| 07:37.58 | rlewis_ | not ctrl + f |
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| 07:38.19 | rlewis_ | but press f (or shift-f) directly in a page. |
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| 07:51.21 | rlewis_ | ok. i see. my bad. that is not the feature of chornium, but vimperator. it's called hint mode. |
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| 08:44.40 | Thib | Hi everyone, here is my question : I developed a router running on Debian, that I'm selling to my customers. Each router got specific configurations (ip address, pppoe settings, and so on), except this, they are all the same. I'm searching for a configuration management tool that I could use to update all of my routers at the same time |
| 08:44.42 | Thib | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:45.35 | nell | Do you guys also enjoy being the best? |
| 08:45.38 | nell | ;) |
| 08:46.21 | moof2 | whqt means best? |
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| 09:12.00 | Alina-malina | Hello all! I want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but i have only this 2 lines in my sources.list should i add additional lines or just change the squeeze to wheezy is ok? http://pastebin.com/zH9QYaHb |
| 09:12.50 | ectospasm | Alina-malina: do you have a backup of your system, and have you tested these backups? |
| 09:13.04 | Alina-malina | ectospasm, it is a fresh os |
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| 09:13.34 | ectospasm | Alina-malina: then changing squeeze to wheezy should work OK. |
| 09:13.42 | ectospasm | Check the release notes to be sure. |
| 09:13.47 | Alina-malina | how? |
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| 09:14.38 | ectospasm | Alina-malina: sed -i 's/squeeze/wheezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:15.56 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell Alina-malina -about release notes |
| 09:16.04 | Alina-malina | ectospasm, sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command |
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| 09:18.01 | ectospasm | Alina-malina: it works for me... were you sure to type all of the slashes ('/')? |
| 09:19.02 | Alina-malina | yes |
| 09:19.13 | mumpitzel | !tell Alina-malina about srouces.list |
| 09:19.22 | mumpitzel | and you most probably lack a ' at the end |
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| 09:19.41 | Alina-malina | mumixam, nope |
| 09:20.01 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, ^ |
| 09:20.51 | mumpitzel | Alina-malina: dpkg sent a message to you with the content you should have in your sources.list for wheezy. use it |
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| 09:21.01 | mumpitzel | !tell Alina-malina about squeeze->wheezy |
| 09:21.05 | mumpitzel | and read this too |
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| 09:21.41 | ectospasm | Alina-malina: you most definitely did something wrong, since copying and pasting everything but the full path of sources.list works for me. |
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| 09:24.01 | Alina-malina | ectospasm, now i cant find what is the cpu of the OS running |
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| 09:24.30 | mumpitzel | cat /proc/cpuinfo and you will know |
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| 09:24.49 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, how to know it is 64 or 32-bit? |
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| 09:25.13 | mumpitzel | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 09:25.14 | dpkg | geary |
| 09:25.33 | ectospasm | Alina-malina: you can check whether the OS is using 64 bit with "uname -m" |
| 09:25.56 | Alina-malina | ok it says x86_64 |
| 09:26.31 | mumpitzel | ectospasm: that only tells you what kernel it is. not what the system is |
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| 09:27.10 | Alina-malina | also in /proc/cpuinfo it says cpu family 6 what does this mean? and the processor is 0 |
| 09:27.36 | mumpitzel | the family is what intel decided on. and the processor is not 0 |
| 09:28.02 | mumpitzel | it's processor number 0, and it's the model name what tells you what processor it is |
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| 09:28.08 | Alina-malina | mumixam, it says processor :0 |
| 09:28.15 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, ^ |
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| 09:28.20 | mumpitzel | yes I know it does |
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| 09:28.44 | Alina-malina | so which manual i should pick for 64 or 32 with dpkg provided? |
| 09:28.48 | mumpitzel | oh right, athlon xps are family 6 too |
| 09:28.57 | mumpitzel | 64 |
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| 09:29.22 | Alina-malina | and to check to comapitilyty of upgrading from squeeze to wheezy? or i can do that directly without fear? |
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| 09:31.15 | mumpitzel | Alina-malina: have you read the release notes? |
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| 09:31.43 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, you mean it is not compatible? |
| 09:32.12 | mumpitzel | I mean: have you read the release notes? |
| 09:33.08 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, why you are asking? |
| 09:34.39 | mumpitzel | cause you need to read them |
| 09:35.05 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, i dont understand your point? you want me to not upgrade to wheezy from squeeze? come to point already |
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| 09:35.45 | mumpitzel | I want you to read the release notes, cause it's what you do before you upgrade to wheezy |
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| 09:37.06 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, you mean the upgrade and users bewaring stuff right? it is a fresh copy of OS i just want to upgrade it thats all |
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| 09:41.42 | moof2 | Alina-malina, of course, like anyone else, you're going to do what you do, what you want. a choice you have (which is recommended) is to read the release notes as they have the procedure for doing the upgrade, and for preparing for it |
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| 09:46.45 | Alina-malina | how to find this: Interfaces on which the DHCPv6 client sends requests |
| 09:47.31 | moof2 | start by looking at ifconfig -a |
| 09:47.55 | moof2 | that gives you "interfaces" |
| 09:48.31 | moof2 | ifconfig without -a gives you "interfaces which are up/active" |
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| 09:48.51 | Alina-malina | moof2, what i support to look for? the intet addr? |
| 09:49.29 | moof2 | I've never set up an ipv6 network... have you? |
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| 09:50.02 | Alina-malina | moof2, should i care about that part or just leave it emtpy and hit ok? |
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| 09:50.36 | rvgate_ | How can i test self-created debian packages (.deb) without screwing up my system? |
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| 09:51.00 | mumpitzel | use a VM with snapshots? |
| 09:51.01 | moof2 | dunno. have you set up an IPv6 network? does your upstream internet provider supply you with an IPv6 address? |
| 09:51.17 | Alina-malina | i guess not |
| 09:51.49 | zamba | i'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but experiencing lots of errors |
| 09:51.52 | linduxed | hey guys, i was wondering if these days, assuming i've got UEFI and the latest GRUB, partition my drive with one big Linux LVM partition (including /boot !) and then boot from that? |
| 09:52.27 | mumpitzel | linduxed: how big is the disk? |
| 09:52.28 | moof2 | rvgate_, also there is lintian to check .deb packages to see if the packagings meet current standards |
| 09:52.37 | zamba | i've followed the howto.. first upgrade all packages in squeeze (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade), running aptitude and 'g', then changed all sources from squeeze to wheezy, then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade (which needed some reruns) and now apt-get dist-upgrade.. |
| 09:52.38 | linduxed | mumpitzel: 500GB SSD |
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| 09:54.25 | zamba | http://pastie.org/7992608 |
| 09:54.35 | zitter | Hi, is amd64 good for Intel I7? tia |
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| 09:55.01 | mumpitzel | zitter: yes |
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| 09:55.02 | rvgate_ | mumpitzel, i cant imagen there isnt a way to test debian packages without a VM... |
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| 09:55.12 | rvgate_ | moof2, thanks for that, ill look into it :D |
| 09:55.15 | zitter | thanks |
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| 09:55.42 | moof2 | Alina-malina, if you're not trying to set up IPv6 and your provider is supplying you with at least one IPv4 address (and no IPv6 addresses), you should be OK with your network if you answer questions in a way that suggests you don't want IPv6 at all |
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| 09:56.01 | Alina-malina | ok |
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| 09:56.38 | moof2 | unfortunately I don't remember the exact wording of the questions the installer asks |
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| 09:57.47 | zamba | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5689876 |
| 09:57.49 | zamba | here's the full log |
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| 09:59.30 | FightForTheUser | If that's the Cowboy Neal from slashdot, I'll eat everybody's hats. |
| 10:01.13 | moof2 | you can't have my hat! here's a tamale instead |
| 10:01.15 | GentileBen | ' Jonathan "cowboyneal" Pater is another popular editor of Slashdot, who came to work for Slashdot as a programmer and systems administrator.' Seems like a NPOV violation to me! :P |
| 10:01.44 | babilen | zamba: Which howto do you follow? |
| 10:01.52 | zamba | babilen: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-debian-squeeze-to-wheezy |
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| 10:02.01 | moof2 | the one that's moving north? |
| 10:02.04 | mumpitzel | zamba: your status file is corrupted |
| 10:02.05 | zamba | basically nothing works on this server now |
| 10:02.10 | zamba | mumpitzel: how do i fix that? |
| 10:02.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell zamba -about release notes |
| 10:02.23 | GentileBen | mumpitzel, you're a Debianista? |
| 10:02.54 | zamba | babilen: what about that? |
| 10:02.59 | mumpitzel | GentileBen: #debian-social |
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| 10:03.35 | zamba | mumpitzel: how do i fix the status file? |
| 10:03.44 | mumpitzel | zamba: you should read them. and your modutils and monit do some funky stuff with the init.d files which causes every package which needs to deal with them to fail |
| 10:03.57 | moof2 | what's a debianista? |
| 10:04.09 | mumpitzel | the status file probably with an editor and deleting the things it complains about (looks like very old stuff) |
| 10:04.11 | babilen | zamba: We publish official instructions in our release notes - I would recommend to follow them. Are you sure that you are upgrading a squeeze box? It looks much older as you have, for example, kernel-image-2.4.29 which is *ancient* |
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| 10:04.26 | mumpitzel | babilen: I don't know any debian with such a kernel anyways |
| 10:04.46 | zamba | babilen: this system was originally installed as woody and then upgraded to lenny and then squeeze |
| 10:04.47 | mumpitzel | and wouldn't be status still have that kernel if it was e.g. a lenny box at some point? |
| 10:04.59 | zamba | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 10:05.08 | zamba | is the currently running kernel |
| 10:05.09 | GentileBen | moof2: a follower of Debian. |
| 10:05.26 | moof2 | a minion? |
| 10:05.50 | zamba | but how do i fix this? |
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| 10:06.07 | moof2 | I think all I can say is I have debian installed on at least two of my devices. |
| 10:06.51 | babilen | zamba: It looks as if you had *a lot* of outdated packages still installed. One of the first steps in every upgrade is to ensure that the release you upgrade from is in a good state. That includes, but isn't restricted to, checking that you have no packages installed that have been removed from your current release. |
| 10:06.52 | moof2 | I don't follow my machines, and that doesn't matter because they don't move, so even if I did, following them would be easy |
| 10:07.10 | zamba | babilen: i did that.. aptitude and then 'g' |
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| 10:07.23 | GentileBen | moof2: I don't mean following them on twitter. |
| 10:07.43 | zamba | babilen: and i also did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade for squeeze |
| 10:07.48 | zamba | to make sure everything ran through there |
| 10:07.51 | moof2 | my machines are on twitter?! |
| 10:08.04 | GentileBen | Perhaps I used the wrong word. A Debianista is a proponent of Debian, in the same vein of "Fandroid" for Android, but without the negative connotations. |
| 10:08.21 | zamba | babilen: but still.. this has now happened, so there's not much help in telling me what i should've done |
| 10:08.22 | babilen | zamba: That can be done by running, for example, "aptitude search ~o" and you can purge those by running "aptitude purge ~o" -- I would also recommend to check if you have removed packages that still have their configuration files installed (seems to be the case) - You can search for these removed-but-not-purged packages with "aptitude search ~c" and then purge them with "aptitude purge ~c" |
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| 10:09.16 | babilen | zamba: Well, it also looks as if you have some very funky packages in there ("Config-Version string 'hobbiton.1'") that definitely do not come from us. |
| 10:09.35 | zamba | # aptitude search ~c | wc -l |
| 10:09.38 | zamba | 124 |
| 10:10.08 | zamba | so the aptitude purge ~c is safe to run? |
| 10:10.11 | babilen | zamba: I would restore from backups, clean up the old system and then follow the release notes. It *might* work to use squeeze sources again and you can try to sort out the problems, but I am not sure if that will succeed. It is worth a try though ... |
| 10:10.19 | moof2 | GentileBen, if by "proponent" you mean someone who spreads the word, I suppose I do that like once a year whether I need to or not. I feel the other person has to be free to choose debian, otherwise they'd come to the proponent ex[ecting help... |
| 10:10.22 | moof2 | forever... |
| 10:10.24 | zamba | babilen: revert back to squeeze? |
| 10:10.37 | moof2 | so in that sense, I'm not a proponent |
| 10:10.45 | babilen | zamba: Ah, you ran "apt-get upgrade" already, didn't you? |
| 10:10.50 | zamba | babilen: yup |
| 10:10.58 | Kyshtynbai | Hi guys, I'm runnig wheezy with gnome-shell. Suddenly all notifications got lost - they go to tray only and don't show where they should (center of the bottom). What could cause it and how do I fix it up? |
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| 10:11.42 | babilen | zamba: *sigh* -- Ah, well ... Okay, try purging all those packages that should never have been installed on squeeze. You might be able to rescue it, but please keep in mind to follow our release notes the next time. |
| 10:11.58 | zamba | aptitude purge ~c? |
| 10:12.08 | zamba | babilen: but i did :) |
| 10:12.14 | zamba | babilen: follow your release notes, i mean |
| 10:12.34 | babilen | zamba: Didn't you say that you followed that HowTo ? |
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| 10:12.50 | zamba | babilen: yeah, but that basically does exactly what the release notes say |
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| 10:12.55 | zamba | it's the same steps |
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| 10:13.00 | zamba | only simplified |
| 10:13.12 | zamba | babilen: but you mean aptitude purge ~c is the solution as of now? |
| 10:13.14 | mumpitzel | ,v modutils |
| 10:13.16 | judd | No package named 'modutils' was found in i386. |
| 10:13.39 | mumpitzel | zamba: it should take care at least of that modutils init script |
| 10:13.41 | babilen | zamba: There are distinct differences and, first and foremost, the release notes discuss a number of things you should take care of or elaborate on problems you might encounter. Just follow the release notes and not some random HowTo on the internet. |
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| 10:14.31 | zamba | babilen: ok.. duly noted from now on |
| 10:14.31 | babilen | zamba: Another thing that I wanted to point out before we started this "release notes" discussion is that you have a number of init scripts that are not from us and haven't been updated to comply with the current standard (i.e. they are missing LSB headers) |
| 10:14.42 | zamba | babilen: lots of them as well, i can see |
| 10:14.55 | zamba | mumpitzel: but i won't remove configuration files of packages that i really want to have in place? |
| 10:15.46 | babilen | zamba: I would check where those scripts are from (iptables, modutils, ...) and either remove them or add LSB headers. Note that we typically recommend to not use an init script to start iptables, but to tie the start into the activation of interfaces as detailed in, for example, http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 10:16.09 | zamba | there's really no firewall on this machine, so everything about iptables can safely be ignored |
| 10:16.15 | babilen | zamba: No, that will only remove configuration files of packages that have been removed in the past. (you/someone else removed them, but didn't purge them) |
| 10:16.17 | zamba | apart from fail2ban |
| 10:16.21 | mumpitzel | modutils was the predecessor of module-init-tools afaik. so no, it's not needed for a long time now |
| 10:16.52 | mumpitzel | zamba: basically all those config files which are left over are causing you grief now |
| 10:17.05 | babilen | zamba: I don't know what those scripts are, I simply wanted to mention that they cause problems and that you probably have to move them away or deal with them so that they have lsb tags. |
| 10:17.14 | zamba | babilen: yeah |
| 10:17.55 | zamba | looks like we got a bit further, yeah |
| 10:17.56 | zamba | some of the porcesses wanted to start |
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| 10:18.09 | babilen | zamba: So, in short: Start by running "aptitude purge ~c" and check "aptitude search ~o" -- I am not entirely sure about the last command as it might include false positives due to you being somewhere between squeeze and wheezy now. |
| 10:18.32 | zamba | still running aptitude purge ~c, as that is now running from where apt-get dist-upgrade left off |
| 10:18.37 | babilen | zamba: You should also remove that funky kernel-image (hobbiton.1) as its versioning scheme is wrong |
| 10:18.50 | zamba | babilen: already removed it |
| 10:19.10 | zamba | i never know what to do when the different packages asks me what to do about the differences in the configuration files |
| 10:19.18 | zamba | install package maintainer's version or the local version |
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| 10:19.25 | babilen | zamba: I'll be afk for a little while, but I wish you all the best. I guess that you can figure it out, but it might be a bit more tricky than your typical upgrade. |
| 10:20.33 | babilen | zamba: You typically want the new version, but you also typically don't want to lose your customisation -- I would recommend to take a look at the diff, install the new version and merge in your changes. There is not really a "do this every time" method that succeeds and does the right thing (we would just do that automatically) |
| 10:21.10 | zamba | ok, now i need to figure out bind and dovecot and then i should be up and running |
| 10:21.39 | zamba | dovecot for the certs |
| 10:21.52 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, is it a good practice just to remoce the apache2 from init.d folder? i dont want it to autoload on startup |
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| 10:23.17 | babilen | Alina-malina: If you want to disable a service then run "update-rc.d SERVICE disable" |
| 10:23.34 | Alina-malina | babilen, so to enable it i should use enable? |
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| 10:23.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell Alina-malina about disable services |
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| 10:24.37 | babilen | Alina-malina: Don't disable it if you want to keep it enabled, but yes it is "enable" and "disable" see update-rc.d(8) for further details. |
| 10:25.16 | Alina-malina | babilen, i want to use nginx instead of apache2 thats all, thanks for information |
| 10:25.33 | mumpitzel | Alina-malina: no. look up update-rc.d |
| 10:25.35 | babilen | Alina-malina: Why do you have apache installed then? |
| 10:25.49 | moof2 | to enable them again, you would have to supply numbers to the update-rc.d invocation that is already known around the time you disable, and that disabling forgets those numbers... which are, when to start and when to stop the service |
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| 10:26.01 | Alina-malina | i did not it was there, so i dont want to touch that configuration to restore later if it is necessary |
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| 10:26.36 | Alina-malina | ok thanks everyone! |
| 10:26.52 | Alina-malina | is there a way to check in cronjob in case it is not auto enable again?:) |
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| 10:28.27 | moof2 | what you can do to disable without forgetting where/when, you can make sure the service is currently stopped, and then edit the /etc/init.d script to have it exit before it does anything |
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| 10:31.05 | zamba | ah, we're up and running again |
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| 10:33.16 | moof2 | Alina-malina, debian goes to some lengths to interpret changes to the configs (like enable/disable, or file edits) as actions you wanted to take, so debian will try not to reverse your decision |
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| 10:36.11 | mumpitzel | zamba: gj |
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| 10:38.52 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, why i get this message when i try to disable it? http://pastebin.com/Md1xJtGF |
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| 10:40.44 | mumpitzel | Alina-malina: have you played around with samba and update-rc.d? |
| 10:40.50 | moof2 | pastebin.com misbehaves in several ways, the latest is it slows my scrolling to a crawl, and delays the moving of the scrollbar when I try to move it |
| 10:40.59 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, i dont know this service, i never use it why is it for? |
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| 10:41.13 | Alina-malina | what will happen if i shut it down? should I? |
| 10:41.36 | mumpitzel | nothing bad will. it's a warning. even if something would happen, the worst would be that your sambe wouldn't start |
| 10:41.49 | Alina-malina | what is this samba? |
| 10:41.56 | Alina-malina | file hosting service? |
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| 10:42.05 | mumpitzel | samba is for letting windows access your debian drives. network shares. and you did something to it, debian doesn't configure it like this on its own |
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| 10:42.29 | abrotman | not just for windows |
| 10:42.50 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, i connect only with ssh and filezilla+ssh, |
| 10:42.51 | mumpitzel | abrotman: OS/2 is kinda long in the toot :P |
| 10:42.54 | mumpitzel | *tooth |
| 10:43.14 | moof2 | so is windows |
| 10:43.14 | abrotman | mumpitzel: not what i meant |
| 10:43.15 | Alina-malina | is it ok if i just ieave it runing? |
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| 10:43.46 | mumpitzel | moof2: they at least modernized it a bit and gave us CIFS. OS/2 however, while inventing it didn't do much :( |
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| 10:43.58 | mumpitzel | abrotman: anyone except MSFT uses samba |
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| 10:44.29 | robb4n | Hey, I have notice some problems with my AWUS036H / rtl8187... Working to connect to any Wifi, but it is slow like butter and getting disconnected. Anyone have any clues? |
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| 10:44.52 | abrotman | mumpitzel: i'm saying you can use it for many other OSes to reach your fileserver, not just Windows |
| 10:45.14 | mumpitzel | and all of them use samba for that, yes :) |
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| 10:46.30 | Alina-malina | mumpitzel, ok then i will leave it running |
| 10:47.02 | moof2 | can I run 2.6 kernel in wheezy? I don't want to ever be forced to use the broken evil dracut |
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| 10:47.46 | mumpitzel | moof2: how is it evil and broken? afaik you can. totally voids your awesome debian warranty of course |
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| 10:48.49 | moof2 | because (1) it can't find the volume group where the installation is, and because it can't find it (2) it drops me into a nonworkiing shell |
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| 10:49.26 | mumpitzel | compile your own kernel then |
| 10:49.39 | mumpitzel | and skip the initrd completely. who needs it? |
| 10:49.53 | moof2 | oh I see |
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| 10:50.53 | moof2 | so maybe I'm stuck with filing a critical bug against it (where critical is defined as "causing other packages to not work" (in this case by not booting at all) |
| 10:51.11 | moof2 | why is dracut the only choice for 3.2 kernels? |
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| 10:52.36 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 10:54.20 | moof2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.23 | lancelot_of | is there any way to run winsucks .exe software under debian without virtualizing the whole OS with virtualbox?Now that wine is not supported anymore by debian...i've virtualbox installed but i'm quite annoying to run windows a take an half of PC capabilitites just to run some apps...any suggestion please? |
| 10:54.39 | mumpitzel | lancelot_of: WINE |
| 10:54.50 | moof2 | wine not supported? |
| 10:54.53 | mumpitzel | why can't you run wine? |
| 10:54.57 | moof2 | what do you mean? |
| 10:55.50 | moof2 | if wine is "not supported", there must be a bug report that reports request to remove it. what bug report does that? |
| 10:55.58 | lancelot_of | i'm sorry i remember that there were no more wine package in debian since some years ago because of a bug |
| 10:56.00 | mumpitzel | WINE is in i386 and AMD debian |
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| 10:56.35 | abrotman | lancelot_of: not true |
| 10:56.49 | mumpitzel | at most WINE was missing from some testing or unstable once |
| 10:57.03 | lancelot_of | oh.... |
| 10:57.14 | moof2 | so I guess you should try it |
| 10:57.29 | lancelot_of | so i completely misunderstood the point... |
| 10:57.40 | lancelot_of | this can change a lot of things! ;) |
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| 10:58.05 | lancelot_of | and can wine run also MSoffice software? |
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| 10:58.42 | Warp4-ZzZz | lancelot_of, ive done it before, but why run office under linux when you can use openoffice which does the same thing and comes in a native linux flavor IIRC? |
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| 11:00.00 | moof2 | or that newer thing, libreoffice |
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| 11:02.05 | moof2 | since it's native, that probably makes it a bit faster |
| 11:02.49 | mumpitzel | lancelot_of: appdb.winehq.org |
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| 11:03.56 | lancelot_of | Warp4-ZzZz, moof2 because some times i'm onstrained to share .doc files that in libreoffice are badly opened and formatted |
| 11:04.32 | mumpitzel | lancelot_of: typically the newer the Office version the worse it runs in WINE afaik |
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| 11:05.05 | mumpitzel | lancelot_of: crossover office (commercial product) officially supports MS Office. notice its name |
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| 11:07.52 | thewanderer1 | hi. why does udev's persistent net mapping generator choose to ignore KVM (virtualized) interfaces? what's so special about them, and what is the preferred way to give them persistent, friendly names? |
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| 11:09.06 | thewanderer1 | specifically, /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules includes an exception (conditional statement) which excludes those interfaces from persistent mappings, as well as a comment that they should not be persistently mapped... why? |
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| 11:10.37 | mumpitzel | thewanderer1: do they get MACs? |
| 11:11.03 | mumpitzel | persistent MACs? |
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| 11:11.19 | thewanderer1 | mumpitzel: yes, they are configured statically via libvirt |
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| 11:12.32 | lancelot_of | ok thanks a lot everybody have a nice day |
| 11:13.01 | thewanderer1 | I understand that this "no persistence" setup could be useful with cloud deployments etc. where you have completely dynamic nodes, but it is now not clear to me how I'm supposed to administer the interface names - this is a router, so I'd like to give them friendly aliases such as "wan0", "lan" etc. |
| 11:13.20 | thewanderer1 | just put my custom rules into /etc/udev/rules.d ? |
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| 11:15.16 | thewanderer1 | or I could hack the MAC addresses to be outside of the "locally assigned" range offered by KVM, but that sounds really dirty :P |
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| 11:25.45 | WouterDS | Hi |
| 11:26.01 | WouterDS | Can I mount a folder in the home directory of a chromed sftp user? |
| 11:26.05 | WouterDS | chrooted* |
| 11:26.31 | WouterDS | Wait let me rephrase, I already did that.. But I need write permissions in the mounted folder with the chromed sftp user |
| 11:26.41 | WouterDS | chrooted* |
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| 11:26.54 | WouterDS | How do I disable autocorrect -_- |
| 11:26.56 | WouterDS | Damn thing |
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| 11:28.04 | histo | WouterDS: if the user mounts in their own directory they should have permissions |
| 11:28.41 | WouterDS | I'm mounting a directory outside the home directory of the user.. |
| 11:28.59 | WouterDS | I have already tried to chown that directory (that I'm mounting) to the user |
| 11:29.03 | histo | WouterDS: the user needs permissions to whatever directory you are mounting to |
| 11:29.15 | DrFoo | if I want to test whether a string fits a regex can I just use if [ "$STRING" = ^[Rr]egex ] |
| 11:29.16 | DrFoo | ? |
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| 11:29.47 | DrFoo | trying to see if it's my regex of command that's the issue |
| 11:30.04 | DrFoo | s/of/or/ |
| 11:30.09 | histo | DrFoo: try in #bash |
| 11:30.37 | liyuelong | join #bash |
| 11:30.48 | DrFoo | Do most people script in bash these days? |
| 11:30.52 | abrotman | DrFoo: ask #bash |
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| 11:31.02 | DrFoo | ok . :) |
| 11:31.04 | moof2 | me, mostly perl or tcl |
| 11:31.12 | DrFoo | I was always told sh |
| 11:31.21 | WouterDS | Wait |
| 11:31.23 | DrFoo | but that may be outdated |
| 11:31.25 | WouterDS | I magically fixed it |
| 11:31.25 | DrFoo | :) |
| 11:31.30 | histo | WouterDS: how's that? |
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| 11:32.20 | Dev0n | hey, I'm trying to bond wlan and eth, my interface file currently has: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2dae0f72f4be313bd140 I managed to get wlan to slave to bond0 but as soon as I disconnect the ethernet, it doesn't failover to wlan |
| 11:32.35 | Dev0n | so eth0 works in the bond but wlan doesn, anyone know if my interface file is correct? |
| 11:32.36 | moof2 | sh is a complete language... it's pretty hard to write it so it's readable and understandable; perl is easier. a lot of people like python, and a lot like ruby. |
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| 11:34.02 | abrotman | Dev0n: what's /sbit/ ? |
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| 11:34.19 | abrotman | though i doubt that's your problem |
| 11:34.20 | Dev0n | abrotman, type /sbin/ |
| 11:34.22 | Dev0n | yea that won't be |
| 11:34.28 | Dev0n | typo* |
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| 11:34.49 | Dev0n | I have bonding and mii in /etc/modules and an alias for bond0 in /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf |
| 11:34.57 | Dev0n | so ruling that out |
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| 11:43.57 | abrotman | !raspbian |
| 11:43.58 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 11:44.03 | PY1NB | dooough, raspBian, sorry |
| 11:44.05 | abrotman | helps if you spell it right |
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| 11:50.55 | robb4n | Hi, anyone that could try explain for me why ALFA AWUS036H chipset: Realtek RTL8187 is working but like butter? I get slow connection and get disconnected after a few minutes. |
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| 11:51.56 | robb4n | anyone? |
| 11:55.15 | abrotman | robb4n: uname -a |
| 11:56.18 | robb4n | abrotman: Debian 3.7.2 |
| 11:56.50 | abrotman | that's not what it says |
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| 11:57.42 | robb4n | abrotman: Linux 3.7-trunk-686-pae |
| 11:57.59 | abrotman | that's not what it says |
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| 11:59.44 | abrotman | robb4n: i'd probably start by getting your kernel in line with whta your versoin of Debian has .. aptitude install linux-image-686-pae |
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| 12:12.42 | Section58 | hi, sorry to bother you. I am trying to update a fresh vds to 'testing', however dpkg is giving me errors. Googles says its this http://lists.debian.org/debian-tex-maint/2013/05/msg00373.html but I don't seem to understand to solution |
| 12:13.03 | Section58 | *the |
| 12:13.19 | abrotman | vds? |
| 12:13.27 | Section58 | really ? |
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| 12:13.36 | Section58 | 'i have a new server; |
| 12:13.51 | abrotman | you're putting a server on the internet, with testing? |
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| 12:14.55 | Section58 | install-info error anyone ? |
| 12:15.15 | Section58 | I seem so stupid as the asnwer has been said on the webpage I linked |
| 12:15.21 | Section58 | I just don't undertstand what he means |
| 12:15.32 | abrotman | you're putting a server on the internet, with testing? |
| 12:15.34 | thewanderer1 | thinks upgrading from 6.0 straight to testing is not a particularly good idea at the moment, especially when 7.0 is already stable |
| 12:16.12 | martin3z | Hi, some program generated entry in menu in fluxbox. After purging, this entry stays. I want to remove it but not by fluxbox config. I want to find how to remove it from all managers, like through 'menu' subsystem. Propositions? |
| 12:16.45 | Section58 | thewanderer1, with repect, I have been using 7 for the past year |
| 12:16.46 | abrotman | martin3z: update-menus ? which entry is it? |
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| 12:17.07 | abrotman | no, you haven't been using 7.0.0 for the past year |
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| 12:17.30 | Section58 | abrotman, don't be scared of testing. and for the record, its on an internal network |
| 12:17.40 | mumpitzel | Section58: debian 7.0 exists since 5th may 2013 and not before |
| 12:17.42 | abrotman | Section58: that's what i was trying to ask you .. |
| 12:18.07 | mumpitzel | Section58: and since you didn't understand the solution, it is a clear sign you shouldn't run testing |
| 12:18.18 | mumpitzel | Section58: it's a simple version conflict, nothing else |
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| 12:18.37 | Section58 | i did say i felt stupid not seeing it |
| 12:18.46 | mumpitzel | ,v dpkg |
| 12:18.47 | judd | Package: dpkg on i386 -- squeeze: 1.15.8.13; jessie: 1.16.10; sid: 1.16.10; wheezy: 1.16.10 |
| 12:18.51 | mumpitzel | that's all you need to know |
| 12:18.59 | thewanderer1 | Section58: even if you are upgrading to testing, I would recommend that you do it via Wheezy, not attempt to perform a huge jump from Squeeze |
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| 12:19.42 | thewanderer1 | you'd have avoided this particular problem by doing so, too... |
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| 12:20.10 | Section58 | i didn't even reilise it was squeeze |
| 12:20.47 | Section58 | thanks fior pointing out some obvoius things, its too early in the afternoon for me :) |
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| 12:21.12 | martin3z | abrotman: it disappeared after restarting fluxbox, so it's ok. But it was stk (Sound Synthesis Toolkit). |
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| 12:21.39 | abrotman | okay |
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| 12:40.34 | Section58 | is it werid to be wating for 1337 before leaving the channel .... |
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| 12:43.55 | phogg | Section58: it's happened before |
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| 12:44.52 | moof2 | 1337... has... happened before?! omg wow! |
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| 12:45.10 | Section58 | lool |
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| 13:03.04 | elkng | what options I can use to mount ext2 filesystem to decrease disk access ? I use "noatime" is there any other I could include in that list ? |
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| 13:11.25 | abrotman | what? |
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| 13:31.06 | jmd | In which repo can I find libdb4.8-dev ?? |
| 13:32.06 | mumpitzel | in main |
| 13:32.53 | mumpitzel | jmd: squeeze still has libdb4.8 |
| 13:32.56 | abrotman | judd: versions libdb4.8-dev |
| 13:32.57 | judd | Package: libdb4.8-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 4.8.30-2 |
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| 13:34.13 | zykotick9 | looks like libdb5.1-dev is in wheezy |
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| 13:43.41 | BeWilled_ | I want all NEW software installed(and all its files and the new files created post-install) to be stored in specific directory (for later making that directory persistent for live CD) is it possible? |
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| 13:47.14 | nevyn | BeWilled_: no. |
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| 13:48.15 | mumpitzel | BeWilled_: --instdir=<directory> |
| 13:48.27 | mumpitzel | BeWilled_: dpkg --help |less |
| 13:49.33 | zykotick9 | BeWilled_: sidenote, i've always found livecd+persistance to be rather "lame". if you don't intend to use it for further installs, you could do a proper install onto the usb. but best of luck with the live option. |
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| 13:50.38 | BeWilled_ | zykotick9: its lame because full persistence is very slow |
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| 13:50.58 | BeWilled_ | zykotick9: thats why I only want to make the new stuff persistent only |
| 13:51.25 | zykotick9 | BeWilled_: it doesn't seem very "stable" either. seems prone to breakages. |
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| 13:53.17 | BeWilled_ | zykotick9: maybe, if used it for specific purposes and it seems ok. At least deb 7 new persistent module |
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| 13:54.15 | zykotick9 | BeWilled_: i certainly can't comment on "current" implementations, i haven't tried it for a long time... |
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| 13:57.42 | phaidros | I am looking for a way to spawn daemons, distinguished by file or pathname. eg I have a a script named node-name-port, which I symlink to node-foobar-2000, and some service runs that *and* can distinguish by the symlinked name. daemontools are not capable of multiple instances of the same service. any ideas around? |
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| 14:33.42 | CaneToad | has anyone got past the "build environment error! A required application is missing and Modconfig can not continue" error with running latest vmware player on debian 7? |
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| 14:34.26 | Guest71436 | Hello! Do anyone know if there is some "issues" with the ntfs-3g package whereas it uses alot of CPU? im currently writing about 4.5MB to the disk spread out on 17 files. The CPU is running on 6 - 7 % on a quad 2.66, Is this normal? or is there any other ways i could mount a NTFS disk? |
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| 14:37.33 | CaneToad | Guest71436: basically ntfs-3g is horribly slow |
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| 14:38.01 | Guest71436 | CaneToad: is there any alternatives for NTFS? |
| 14:38.13 | nabblet | what pdf-view would you recommend me? i use debian with lxde on a netbook |
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| 14:39.53 | CaneToad | Guest71436: I had some usb disks and needed to access both from Windows and Linux and needed performance with them that ntfs-3g wouldn't give me... ended up formatting them ext3 and accessing them using http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/ from windows |
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| 14:40.01 | nkuttler | nabblet: i use evince and xpdf |
| 14:40.28 | nabblet | nkuttler: two viewers? what are their user-cases in your case? |
| 14:40.45 | nabblet | nkuttler: i mean, why two? when do you use evince and when xpdf? |
| 14:41.10 | Guest71436 | CaneToad: hmm i will have to look into doing this if ntfs-3g is as bad as it looks. Thanks :) |
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| 14:45.14 | nkuttler | nabblet: xpdf is faster but has less features |
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| 14:54.14 | cantoma | hey guys, I just experienced a kernel panic in debian wheezy while I was watching a video in my internet browser. Where can I find the kernel log that concerns this failure? |
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| 14:57.08 | furycd001 | CANTOMA: If you are running gnome you could try "System -> Administration -> Log File Viewer" from the menu in your panel... |
| 14:57.31 | cantoma | furycd001, I am using Windows Maker |
| 14:57.49 | chris87 | maybe theres a entry in /var/log/syslog |
| 14:57.54 | furycd001 | Ok give me a sec please... |
| 14:57.56 | cantoma | chris87, it is empty |
| 14:58.03 | chris87 | ok |
| 14:58.20 | cantoma | basically everything in my system stopped |
| 14:58.28 | cantoma | the keyboard stopped working |
| 14:58.34 | cantoma | and the sound was looping |
| 14:58.40 | chris87 | ok its possible that there is no log file entry |
| 14:58.45 | cantoma | and I had to manually reboot it |
| 14:59.09 | furycd001 | CANTOMA: Heres a link that might help http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-log-files-location-and-how-do-i-view-logs-files/ |
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| 15:02.42 | cantoma | Jun 1 13:37:59 solaris kernel: [956170.757491] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 15:02.43 | cantoma | Jun 1 15:13:17 solaris kernel: [961870.999557] FAT-fs (sdb1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
| 15:03.01 | cantoma | those are the messages that i got in regards to the crash |
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| 15:03.13 | cantoma | the crash was between 13:37:59 and 15:13:17 |
| 15:03.31 | cantoma | but they don't say much |
| 15:03.43 | cantoma | this is from /var/log/messages |
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| 15:03.54 | mumpitzel | what was in the kernel stack trace? |
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| 15:04.03 | cantoma | mumpitzel, how can i get one? |
| 15:04.32 | cantoma | mumpitzel, i remember to see a huge message in the screen when it crashed |
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| 15:04.50 | cantoma | it was written something like that |
| 15:04.52 | mumpitzel | yes. that's the one. you should have looked at it then |
| 15:05.16 | cantoma | mumpitzel, well it was japonese for me |
| 15:05.42 | cantoma | mumpitzel, but is there a log of it |
| 15:06.35 | chris87 | i think there is no log of this kernel panic |
| 15:06.52 | chris87 | because the system had no time to make a entry |
| 15:06.55 | cantoma | so i will have to wait until it happens again and take a picture of the screen |
| 15:07.11 | chris87 | i would wait and if it happens again just take a picture of it |
| 15:07.30 | cantoma | so i will keep watching videos until it happens |
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| 15:07.43 | _u2pop_ | hello all |
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| 15:08.39 | _u2pop_ | i want to know something if i run a Debian on virtualbox can be possible to use my pendrive in the debian with the virtual? |
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| 15:09.44 | furycd001 | _U2POP_: Yes you can use your pendrive with debian in a virtualbox machine ... |
| 15:09.58 | _u2pop_ | then why i cant see it ? |
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| 15:11.20 | furycd001 | _U2POP_ You need to make sure that you have it selected first through the devices menu on your virtual machine... |
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| 15:12.09 | _u2pop_ | if i close the virtualbox with the debian running |
| 15:12.19 | _u2pop_ | i have to start all over again the installation ? |
| 15:12.23 | _u2pop_ | or they get saved ? |
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| 15:12.51 | furycd001 | _U2POP_ Unless you finish the installation you will need to start from the beginning... |
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| 15:14.24 | furycd001 | Heres a link that might help you. http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=using+pendrive+with+debian+in+virtualbox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=active&redir_esc=&ei=OQ-qUbvPKMWW0AWO3oCgDg |
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| 15:14.35 | Vicissitude | you use safari? |
| 15:15.02 | furycd001 | On my mac yes. On my debian I use firefox |
| 15:15.02 | _u2pop_ | furycd001 everytime i want to use the virtualbox debian i have to start all overagain ? |
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| 15:15.14 | _u2pop_ | omg :/ |
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| 15:16.15 | furycd001 | _U2POP_: No you will only need to start over again if you close the machine down before the installation finishes. If you let the installation finish then everything will save & you can just boot straight to desktop each time... |
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| 15:17.45 | furycd001 | I must dash everyone... |
| 15:17.53 | furycd001 | …Will be on again very soon |
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| 15:25.42 | _u2pop_ | furycd001 in the virtualbox i go to USB and the ENABLE USB CONTROLLER is enabled |
| 15:26.10 | moof2 | how can I "forward" a net connection from a plain installation to a chroot on that installation? |
| 15:26.51 | moof2 | do I need to make a bridge? |
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| 15:34.06 | mumpitzel | moof2: no. the interfaces are shared between them. maybe put proc into the chroot if it doesn't work otherwise |
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| 15:34.55 | moof2 | so, |
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| 15:35.41 | moof2 | it's one interface... and it is available to ifconfig because it goes thru /proc |
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| 15:36.26 | moof2 | if the interface was up and a net is there, then, |
| 15:36.40 | moof2 | hmm. I need to write a script to mount stuff |
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| 15:37.50 | moof2 | bbialittlebit |
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| 15:41.02 | Ritzton | hello |
| 15:41.28 | _u2pop_ | hi, where can i see the pendrive i connect ? |
| 15:41.32 | Ritzton | what do you advise me as an alternative of imapsync under debian squeeze ? |
| 15:41.39 | _u2pop_ | is not on accessories -> disk utility ? |
| 15:42.05 | Section58 | so erm, this might be the wrong channel.. but i will see if i can get some feedback |
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| 15:43.13 | Section58 | i am attempting to make a network on random uk vps' outside my network, to then link via openvpn to a 'central' server to do all the processing |
| 15:43.24 | Section58 | when i say central, i mean france.. cause its cheap |
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| 15:43.54 | Section58 | with caching and pound and other free stuff, do you think i could get the same sort of time return on a setup like this for a web service |
| 15:44.14 | Section58 | in conparent too a dedicated server in the uk thats directly involved with the return of service |
| 15:44.40 | Section58 | the difference is 4ms from what i can see, but its a saving of about £240 a month |
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| 15:50.46 | _u2pop_ | hey guys |
| 15:51.00 | _u2pop_ | when i connect the pendrive i cant seen it |
| 15:51.17 | _u2pop_ | what is the problem ? |
| 15:51.18 | _u2pop_ | i am using with virtualbox |
| 15:51.31 | _u2pop_ | on the setting of VM is enabled the usb :/ |
| 15:51.54 | moof2 | look at dmesg | tail |
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| 15:52.11 | moof2 | you see anything that looks like a drive attaching? |
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| 15:53.43 | Ritzton | no alternative to imapsync on debian squeeze ? |
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| 15:54.42 | _u2pop_ | moof2 they show about bluetooth, lp and ppdev |
| 15:55.15 | moof2 | lp seems like a printer |
| 15:55.39 | moof2 | are you sure you looked at the end of the dmesg output (try: dmesg | tail) |
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| 15:55.48 | moof2 | just checking |
| 15:56.29 | _u2pop_ | the end is ppdev |
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| 15:56.58 | Konomi | debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw,relatime) |
| 15:57.03 | Konomi | I only noticed this mount recently |
| 15:57.05 | Konomi | what is it? |
| 15:57.09 | Konomi | and why is it mounted |
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| 16:00.12 | jelly-home | Ritzton: offlineimap maybe? |
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| 16:09.01 | lucaaa | ciao |
| 16:09.37 | lucaaa | !list |
| 16:09.37 | dpkg | lucaaa: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 16:12.48 | Ritzton | jelly-home> hum not sure that offlineimap can do what I want I would like something to do like that > command --host1 {host1} --user1 {user1} --password1 {password1} --host2 {host2} --user2 {user2} --password2 {password2} |
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| 16:14.18 | jelly-home | Ritzton: you can run it from from host2 as user2 |
| 16:14.31 | jelly-home | or do it in two passes |
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| 16:22.14 | Ritzton | jelly-home> actually I would like juste a simple way to copy my mail from one box to another |
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| 16:24.36 | jelly-home | I don't know of a reliable tool in Debian to do that |
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| 16:25.13 | Ritzton | jelly-home> that would be a good project to make :-) |
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| 16:25.49 | jelly-home | Ritzton: are you volunteering? |
| 16:27.11 | Ritzton | jelly-home> why not but I need a good project manager :-) |
| 16:27.27 | ompaul | likes to create folders for users and copy emails from dovecot with rsync to the new "relevant" person |
| 16:27.37 | jelly-home | extending something like offlineimap to keep both source and destination remote doesn't sound too complex, but it would still take more resources than shelling out for a single imapsync license |
| 16:27.42 | ompaul | get them all to log out run an indexing tool and have fun |
| 16:27.55 | ompaul | that last bit is overkill |
| 16:28.02 | jelly-home | ompaul: dovecot 2.1 or 2.2 has its own dsync now |
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| 16:28.28 | ompaul | jelly-home: I'll check that one out thanks |
| 16:28.31 | jelly-home | of course, that requires both endpoints to run a recent dovecot |
| 16:28.44 | ompaul | jelly-home: all users same server |
| 16:29.02 | ompaul | I don't have those issues - scale is not the problem |
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| 16:30.39 | jelly-home | then your situation is quite different |
| 16:31.06 | petn-randall | my root partition isn't getting checking despite me creating a /forcefsck file, which is gone after reboot. |
| 16:31.18 | petn-randall | Any ideas? Which script should do the job during boot? |
| 16:33.07 | ompaul | petn-randall: shutdown -F now will force it to |
| 16:33.22 | ompaul | if not your shutdown program will be buggy |
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| 16:33.58 | jelly-home | petn-randall: do you have access to console at boot loader time, or any time later? |
| 16:34.15 | petn-randall | ompaul: Well, according to the man page it'll only create a /forcefsck, for some script on boot to pick up. |
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| 16:34.39 | petn-randall | jelly-home: home server, I can plug a monitor to it and check. Though I also have a boot log. |
| 16:34.59 | jelly-home | petn-randall: how do you recognize there has been no fsck? |
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| 16:35.52 | petn-randall | jelly-home: tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 tells me it hasn't been checked in two years, despite having a check interval of 6 months |
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| 16:37.08 | jelly-home | #529498 says a forcefsck boot param should also work |
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| 16:40.03 | jelly-home | petn-randall: is your hardware clock set correctly? |
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| 17:02.25 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Yes, it's synced with ntpd. |
| 17:02.33 | petn-randall | jelly-home: And it is in sync :) |
| 17:03.41 | ompaul | petn-randall: got a sample boot log¿ |
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| 17:05.02 | jelly-home | petn-randall: verified with hwclock? |
| 17:05.46 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Only thing I can imagine is that for some reason / is mounted rw before checkroot.sh is run, which will probably stop fsck from running, right? |
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| 17:06.24 | jelly-home | petn-randall: no idea really |
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| 17:07.48 | petn-randall | I'll dig into the logs and startup scripts, if I get lost or found the cause I'll come back. |
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| 17:15.48 | r3m | ,v insync |
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| 17:28.55 | ctx144k | hi all - i ave problems with my sound device in wheezy - anyone have a idea to fix it? |
| 17:28.57 | ctx144k | http://nopaste.info/dbc7680809_nl.html |
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| 17:37.12 | babilen | ctx144k: I'd check your configuration in pavucontrol or paprefs -- I have no idea about KDE sound daemons though |
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| 17:42.41 | Ritzton | jelly-home> I managed to transfert all mails to a folder with offlineimap but I didnt get how then to transfer to email of this folder to another mail address |
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| 17:42.59 | petn-randall | jelly-home: took down the server, did a fsck on the drive with my laptop, 1000+ errors, compact flash seems to be dead. Luckily I have backups. :) |
| 17:43.12 | jelly-home | Ritzton: reconfigure offlineimap to point to the destination instead of the source, now |
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| 17:44.20 | jelly-home | Ritzton: and do a sync again, if I remember correctly |
| 17:44.34 | jelly-home | haven't been using it in years |
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| 17:47.48 | Ritzton | jelly-home> that's what I did but then I had an UID validity problem for folder INBOX so I decided to make it in two folder and copy then the mail from one to another but then when I have triggered offlineimap it has automaticaly deleted all emails... |
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| 17:50.31 | ctx144k | babilen, what is pavucontrol, or paprefs? |
| 17:50.42 | ctx144k | http://nopaste.info/c35d7ea14e.html |
| 17:51.39 | babilen | ctx144k: pulseaudio configuration frontends |
| 17:52.36 | jelly-home | Ritzton: ah, right. Try asking in #offlineimap or their user mailing list |
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| 17:53.15 | ctx144k | babilen, pulseaudio issent installed on debian-kde per default |
| 17:53.28 | ctx144k | im not suzre its a good idea to install it then |
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| 17:55.46 | ctx144k | one moment ill restart x11 - im back in some seconds... |
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| 17:56.08 | Ritzton | jelly-home> ok I am trying to ask there ! |
| 17:56.16 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can view my host machine since th vm, Anyone could helpme? |
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| 18:01.55 | ctx144k_ | re |
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| 18:03.55 | jelly-home | Ritzton: be patient, it can take days for an answer in small channels |
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| 18:05.01 | Lns | T4shi, define "view" ? |
| 18:05.05 | dvbt | hilight dvbt |
| 18:05.13 | T4shi | see lns |
| 18:05.45 | T4shi | ping 192.168.1.12 =x ms lns |
| 18:06.00 | T4shi | ping 192.168.1.12 =>x ms lns |
| 18:06.15 | T4shi | ping 192.168.1.1 => No route to host |
| 18:06.33 | T4shi | I've configure the gues in static with 192.168.1.117 |
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| 18:06.46 | T4shi | *guest* |
| 18:06.56 | T4shi | *configured* |
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| 18:07.54 | jelly-home | dvbt: what? |
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| 18:14.44 | Beast1 | hi |
| 18:14.56 | Ghormoon | hi, do I need rcpbind for nfs client? I don't really know what it does so I'd rather turn it off, but google says it's for nfs :) |
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| 18:17.32 | Beast1 | anyone know what type of license the maltron fou layout has? |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | Ghormoon: yes, if yotu want to use NFS, AFAIK, you need it |
| 18:18.41 | abrotman | Beast1: the what? |
| 18:19.59 | Beast1 | is the layout gpl? |
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| 18:20.14 | abrotman | URL? |
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| 18:22.15 | Ghormoon | abrotman: thanks, just to be sure I don't have open ports I don't need :) |
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| 18:24.33 | jelly-home | Beast1: ask the manufacturer? |
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| 18:25.48 | Beast1 | I'm using a modified maltron layout I whopped up with xmodmap for a regular keyboard and I'm wondering if I distribute it and perhars submit it to xorg |
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| 18:26.56 | abrotman | Beast1: contact them and ask |
| 18:27.12 | Beast1 | the manufacturer han no info regarding this on their site as far an I can tell |
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| 18:27.34 | Beast1 | yeah email it is |
| 18:28.24 | Janos | hey there, looking for a way to replicate a disk partition over the network to multiple read only servers, does anyone knows of anything i could use for this ? |
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| 18:30.22 | Janos | i know drbd does this with two servers but apparently it does not work with more, can anyone confirm/deny this ? |
| 18:30.32 | petn-randall | Janos: There a several possibilities, what are the read only server going to do with it? How much time is tolerable for the slaves to lag behind the master? Do you need the data, or do you really want to replicate the filesystems? |
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| 18:32.33 | Janos | petn-randall, i want to replicate my php/img etc over multiple servers that are been balanced and they are all active at the same time, a fews files per day are modify per day |
| 18:33.12 | petn-randall | Janos: Then rsync+cron is probably what you want |
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| 18:36.32 | jelly-home | or rsync only when there's a change |
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| 18:37.09 | Janos | petn-randall, well i was hoping i didn't have to scan the whole tree to only transfer 1 new file, the tree is big. I was something that could do copy on write, that way if the tree does not change in 1 hour i was hoping i would not have to do anything |
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| 18:37.48 | abrotman | inotify? |
| 18:38.22 | petn-randall | I'd also guess there's already something bundling inotify+rsync into an application. |
| 18:38.45 | petn-randall | Janos: DRBD is a lot more work to set up, and comes with its own bag of problems. |
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| 18:39.02 | Janos | inotify+rsyn sounds good |
| 18:39.24 | abrotman | there's also famd |
| 18:39.53 | Janos | petn-randall, i'm ok with setting up drbd, the only problem is AFAIK i can't handle more than 2 servers |
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| 18:43.13 | petn-randall | Janos: You can look into Ceph or XtreemFS |
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| 18:48.17 | Janos | petn-randall, thanks, will also look into those, but i think rsync+inotify should do exactly what i need |
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| 19:36.31 | zergion | I've set up an NFS server on my linux machine, can I then map a catalogue from windows? |
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| 19:37.46 | zergion | I entered this into my /etc/exports |
| 19:38.08 | zergion | -> /srv/data 192.168.1.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,crossmnt,fsid=0) 192.168.1.127(rw) |
| 19:38.28 | zergion | but I still dont seem to be able to connect to \\192.168.1.121\srv\data |
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| 19:44.01 | wolfmitchell | Would there be a way to change the reverse DNS for 127.0.0.1 (out of curiosity...) |
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| 19:49.59 | meshugga | any ideas why /etc/fstab.d exists, how it works or if there's really any sort of related documentation? |
| 19:50.22 | wolfmitchell | man fstab |
| 19:50.34 | annaaaaa | hi, my naked photos;d www.fajnania.rox.pl free and hard |
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| 19:50.37 | digdilem | zergion, er, nfs is not smb. \\servername\share is a windows networking/smb address. you want samba, not nfs, typically for sharing files from linux to windows |
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| 19:50.57 | meshugga | wolfmitchell: and? |
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| 19:51.01 | digdilem | you can share nfs from linux to windows, but you need some windows toolset installed, and it's fairly crufty |
| 19:51.02 | wolfmitchell | idk |
| 19:51.03 | wolfmitchell | it might help |
| 19:51.37 | meshugga | ... |
| 19:51.38 | digdilem | yes. it's there for a good reason, meshugga. |
| 19:51.46 | meshugga | digdilem: please please tell me now! ;) |
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| 19:51.54 | digdilem | it controls mounts, and don't be lazy |
| 19:52.04 | meshugga | i've only found obscure "should we-should we not" discussions on lkml |
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| 19:52.14 | digdilem | irc is not best suited for answering stuff you can't be bothered to google for |
| 19:52.17 | meshugga | TEHFUCK |
| 19:52.20 | meshugga | DUDE |
| 19:52.28 | meshugga | i've been googling and looking for almost an hour now |
| 19:52.42 | digdilem | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab |
| 19:52.45 | digdilem | ten seconds |
| 19:52.50 | meshugga | first commenter here doesn't know that there is no talk of it in the manpage |
| 19:53.18 | meshugga | WHERE IN THE FUCK IS THE TERM "fstab.d" IN THIS WEBPAGE |
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| 19:53.43 | digdilem | yeah, shouting really encourages me to give up my time to help. Bye |
| 19:53.51 | meshugga | thanks for staying out of it |
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| 19:54.31 | meshugga | anyone here who's actually capable of reading and knows something about /etc/fstab.d (.d!) |
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| 19:55.51 | petn-randall | meshugga: Please keep your language family friendly. |
| 19:55.58 | Azzy | Dude, no one is gonna help you with an additude like that |
| 19:56.07 | meshugga | petn-randall: sorry, i didn't mean to snap |
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| 19:56.26 | Azzy | Of course. That sort of thing just happens on "accident." |
| 19:56.31 | meshugga | but two guys telling me with arrogance to rtfm and not bothering to actually read the question |
| 19:56.50 | Hydroxide | meshugga: don't insult people, whether or not others do. your answer is in the Debian-specific changelog any of the packages built from util-linux, including mount |
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| 19:57.12 | petn-randall | meshugga: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663623 |
| 19:57.13 | Hydroxide | meshugga: /usr/share/doc/mount/changelog.Debian.gz - it went in in November 2011, so looks like between squeeze and wheezy |
| 19:57.20 | digdilem | what's true for fstab is true for fstab.d - in linux .d dirs are traditionally inherited configuration directorisallowing for multiple files, meshugga |
| 19:57.23 | petn-randall | meshugga: According to this, /etc/fstab.d/ is not supported. |
| 19:57.51 | digdilem | and it seems to be mostly an ubuntu thing. what version of debian are you usig, meshugga ? |
| 19:57.57 | digdilem | wonders if it starts with "U.." |
| 19:58.47 | Hydroxide | digdilem: don't try to rile him up - keeping this channel professional requires all of our efforts |
| 19:59.01 | meshugga | digdilem: i'm not allowed to insult you, but i hope to god you look around in a current wheezy installation and try to use /etc/fstab.d and find out how exactly you sound right now |
| 19:59.23 | digdilem | I just gave you the answer, btw. |
| 19:59.25 | meshugga | and how your "suggestions" to my questions make you look |
| 19:59.41 | meshugga | no, i showed me that you have absolutely no clue |
| 19:59.46 | digdilem | ok, i'm done. |
| 19:59.49 | meshugga | Hydroxide gave me an actual answer |
| 20:00.08 | meshugga | digdilem: you were done after not reading my initial question |
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| 20:00.37 | Hydroxide | digdilem: you know wheezy does ship /etc/fstab.d right? |
| 20:00.40 | Hydroxide | digdilem: it's not just ubuntu? |
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| 20:00.55 | meshugga | wait, no, Hydroxide you also didn't help :P |
| 20:00.58 | Hydroxide | digdilem: I have no idea if it actually works on debian, though. |
| 20:01.02 | meshugga | the changelog just says it's there |
| 20:01.12 | meshugga | but not why it doesn't work or how it is supposed to work :/ |
| 20:01.13 | digdilem | i didn't, but I do now. That wasn't the original question though, which was what it does :) |
| 20:01.27 | Hydroxide | meshugga: I don't see anything relevant in the diff |
| 20:01.30 | meshugga | digdilem: had you known anything about the topic, you'd know it doesn't work |
| 20:01.31 | Hydroxide | meshugga: other than adding the dir |
| 20:01.33 | digdilem | making use of /ignore for channel peace |
| 20:01.37 | meshugga | Hydroxide: :/ |
| 20:01.47 | meshugga | me neither |
| 20:01.55 | Hydroxide | meshugga: so maybe it's not fully baked |
| 20:02.14 | meshugga | i keep getting that libmount supports it, but mount doesn't |
| 20:02.21 | Hydroxide | meshugga: entirely possible |
| 20:02.22 | meshugga | so i was wondering if there's some special magic |
| 20:02.28 | meshugga | that could make it work |
| 20:02.33 | zergion | can I delete all rules in my uwf firewall? |
| 20:02.40 | zergion | ufw |
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| 20:04.56 | petn-randall | meshugga: Usually, /etc/fstab.d/ works like all other ".d" dirs in /etc: They provide an easy mechanism to drop config, without having to edit the "non .d" file. This is especially useful for packages that want to add functionality. |
| 20:05.37 | meshugga | petn-randall: that's what i was expecting, but it doesn't work like that |
| 20:05.38 | petn-randall | That way they can drop their config there. In the past several packages tried to be smart and edit config files, but usually the sed lines were flawed and this caused broken systems. |
| 20:05.46 | meshugga | that's what i want to do :) |
| 20:05.52 | meshugga | dropping configs there |
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| 20:06.03 | Hydroxide | meshugga: sounds like it's not yet there in wheezy unless you write some code that links against libmount, in which case it's there |
| 20:06.08 | petn-randall | meshugga: The bug report I gave you earlier says that it's not supported. |
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| 20:06.20 | Hydroxide | meshugga: and sounds like it's probably going to be there for jessie assuming 2.21 is out by then |
| 20:06.33 | meshugga | petn-randall: yes, well, it is not supported by mount |
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| 20:07.00 | meshugga | but libmount does support it, so i was wondering if there was some debian magic that makes it work under certain circumstances |
| 20:07.18 | meshugga | because, you know, there's this directory ... in a stable debian release :) |
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| 20:09.57 | Hydroxide | meshugga: seems like it isn't in the CLI but is in the library |
| 20:10.08 | Hydroxide | meshugga: so if someting uses libmount on wheezy, the diectory would get used |
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| 20:10.24 | muculus | http://serverfault.com/questions/512549/log-specific-process-cpu-and-memory-usage-by-name |
| 20:10.36 | meshugga | Hydroxide: as i said, i know all that |
| 20:10.46 | Hydroxide | meshugga: so that's all you can do |
| 20:10.47 | meshugga | you're all assuming i'm a bumbling idiot that didn't rtfm or google |
| 20:10.59 | Hydroxide | meshugga: I'm not assuming anything |
| 20:11.06 | meshugga | i came here after an unproportional amount of research for something as prominent as a directory in /etc |
| 20:11.11 | Hydroxide | meshugga: I'm saying that's all that's in wheezy and that's the answer to your question |
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| 20:11.35 | Hydroxide | meshugga: the directory exists in wheezy and will work with wheezy's libmount if you write code that uses it, but not with wheezy's /bin/mount |
| 20:11.40 | meshugga | so there's no piece of software actually using it to mount filesystems? |
| 20:11.46 | Hydroxide | meshugga: I don't know what uses libmount |
| 20:12.17 | Hydroxide | meshugga: a few things do, it looks like. not sure what they use it for |
| 20:12.21 | Hydroxide | maybe libpam-mount |
| 20:12.22 | Hydroxide | but |
| 20:12.28 | Hydroxide | anyway, we have no more information to give you |
| 20:12.38 | Hydroxide | we've answered your question as best we can |
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| 20:13.16 | meshugga | we |
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| 20:13.44 | Hydroxide | ...and so ends that. |
| 20:13.47 | phy1729 | Why does removing iceweasel install icedove and removing icedove make all sorts of things (like libre office and gnome) marked for removal? |
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| 20:14.12 | petn-randall | phy1729: I doesn't. How do you come to that conclusion? |
| 20:15.16 | master_j | because they are both dependencies of a metapackage |
| 20:15.16 | phy1729 | I did apt-get purge iceweasel which installed icedove then apt-get remove icedove and that marked many packages as not required |
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| 20:16.06 | master_j | you'll have to install the other programs manually so they aren't considered auto-installed. |
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| 20:16.51 | webdawg | why cant I install this package: http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/libowfat |
| 20:17.19 | phy1729 | ok thanks master_j |
| 20:17.30 | Azzy | What happens when you try to install it, webdawg ? |
| 20:18.13 | webdawg | No, I see libowfat-dev but where is libowfat? |
| 20:18.15 | phy1729 | master_j: does that mean if I do a autoremove I'm going to have a bad time desktop wise? |
| 20:18.15 | Azzy | And for that matter, HOW are you trying to install it? |
| 20:18.37 | master_j | not really, as long as you pay attn to what packages are removed and just reinstall the ones you want. |
| 20:18.43 | webdawg | aptitude install libowfat |
| 20:18.59 | Azzy | Alright, and what error messages does it give you? |
| 20:19.06 | webdawg | heh |
| 20:19.10 | webdawg | that the package does not exist man |
| 20:19.12 | master_j | i think the metapackage in question is just assorted programs that most people would use, nothing dependent on a working desktop, phy1729 |
| 20:19.20 | webdawg | I see that it is a source package |
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| 20:19.34 | phy1729 | alright thanks |
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| 20:20.01 | Azzy | Do you have the src repo enabled? Are you in fact using Squeeze? |
| 20:20.35 | Azzy | And I don't mean these questions to be insulting. Gods know I have done dumber things when my brain just hadn't had enough coffee or something. |
| 20:20.38 | zergion | am playing around with UFW and I have issues blocking a machine on the local network access to the HTTP. First I have an allow rule for all computers on the network to access the servers HTTP. How can I excluse one computer from this? |
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| 20:22.16 | webdawg | sorry about that |
| 20:22.24 | webdawg | why does debian add -dev to their packages? |
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| 20:22.37 | webdawg | Just to say that they are libraries? |
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| 20:24.12 | Azzy | -dev are development files - stuff you need to complile your own programs and such |
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| 20:24.56 | Azzy | Other stuff that's already pre-compiled doesn't need the -dev versions (unless it's used for programming or something, obviously) |
| 20:25.34 | webdawg | heh |
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| 20:25.49 | petn-randall | zergion: You have to decide if you do a white or a blacklist. I recommend the first, then just don't add the computer you want to exclude. |
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| 20:26.07 | x0auser | hi guys an alternative to unetbootin in debian ? |
| 20:26.17 | zergion | petn-randall I did sudo ufw deny 192.168.1.128 to any port 80 |
| 20:26.21 | zergion | why wouldnt this work? |
| 20:26.24 | spacepluk | x0auser: what's wrong with unetbootin? |
| 20:26.56 | x0auser | he doesn't install an os correctly |
| 20:27.00 | abrotman | spacepluk: it rarely works |
| 20:27.00 | jhutchins_wk | zergion: What device is the firewall on? |
| 20:27.12 | abrotman | x0auser: you can't use the normal method in the install guide? |
| 20:27.16 | zergion | A server, what do you mean by device? |
| 20:27.33 | spacepluk | abrotman: really? it has worked perfectly for me, every time. |
| 20:27.50 | jhutchins_wk | zergion: Is the firewall on the same PC as the web server? |
| 20:27.59 | x0auser | i want to install pclinuxos on my netbook |
| 20:28.00 | zergion | yep |
| 20:28.15 | spacepluk | abrotman: I always use isos though... |
| 20:28.18 | x0auser | i install the usb with unetbootin and i get errors |
| 20:28.36 | x0auser | is there an alternative or not ? |
| 20:28.41 | abrotman | x0auser: so ask them how to do it, this is the Debian support channel |
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| 20:29.40 | abrotman | x0auser: ask #pclinuxos-support on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:29.41 | x0auser | but i'm using debian now |
| 20:29.45 | x0auser | ok ok |
| 20:29.48 | x0auser | no problem |
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| 20:29.52 | x0auser | thanks |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | x0auser: but they shuld knokw how to prepare their install media |
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| 20:30.20 | Azzy | You know, googling "unetbootin alternative" lists pages and pages on the subject ;) |
| 20:30.54 | jhutchins_wk | zergion: I don't know enough about UFW. I would expect an iptables DROP or REJECT rule to be generated, but "block" sounds like it just doesn't forward the packet to the next network. |
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| 20:32.08 | jhutchins_wk | zergion: It might be more sensible to use the ALLOW/DENY functions on the apache config. A firewall is suppose to be on a router, it can't really protect the device it's on. |
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| 20:34.50 | kyle__ | Where do you find the manpages for gcc in wheezy? I've searched apt and dpkg --get-selections to no avail. |
| 20:35.20 | abrotman | manpages-dev |
| 20:35.27 | spacepluk | x0auser: I'd try using an iso with unetbootin |
| 20:35.49 | kyle__ | abrotman: already installed, but man gcc gives me the undocumented message |
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| 20:36.51 | H4x012 | hi guys, i made shellscript called. shell.sh now i need to make and alias for it, so that whenever user type shell it can excute |
| 20:36.53 | H4x012 | can someone help me? |
| 20:36.54 | jhutchins_wk | kyle__: Man pages are pretty easy to find on google. |
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| 20:36.54 | abrotman | kyle__: sorry, misread .. gcc-doc in non-free |
| 20:36.56 | phy1729 | I like to run Aurora (firefox-dev) where would be a sane place to put all the files from the tar? /usr/local/src/firefox? or should I keep them in my home dir? |
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| 20:37.13 | kyle__ | abrotman: Humm. I wonder if I never put that in my repo list.... |
| 20:37.20 | kyle__ | jhutchins_wk: Yes, but I like to have them local. |
| 20:37.23 | Vicissitude | H4x012, man chmod |
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| 20:39.02 | H4x012 | i doesnt help man |
| 20:39.18 | kyle__ | abrotman: Thank you so much! That was it. I'm a bit surprised I haven't needed the nonfree repo up until now... |
| 20:39.32 | Vicissitude | H4x012, look at the x parameter for chmod |
| 20:39.34 | phy1729 | H4x012: you want the file in your $PATH ? |
| 20:39.35 | kyle__ | (but why the hell are gcc's manpages in non-free?) |
| 20:39.59 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell kyle__ about gfdl |
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| 20:40.46 | jelly-home | ,v gcc-doc |
| 20:40.47 | judd | Package: gcc-doc on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 5:3; jessie/contrib: 5:4; sid/contrib: 5:4; wheezy/contrib: 5:4 |
| 20:40.53 | kyle__ | reading. Thank you! |
| 20:41.43 | jhutchins_wk | H4x012: Actually, you need to understand which directories are on the user path and put or symlink the script in one of those. |
| 20:42.33 | H4x012 | can i pm someone that i can tell the short story that what i wanna do? |
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| 20:42.58 | dvs | H4x012: pastebin the story |
| 20:42.59 | jhutchins_wk | H4x012: You don't like my answer? |
| 20:43.31 | petn-randall | phy1729: Look at http://mozilla.debian.net, it's all already packaged :) |
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| 20:44.03 | H4x012 | OK dvs |
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| 20:45.33 | OrsenPike | hey anyone running debian 7 as a vmware guest? |
| 20:45.45 | Azzy | H4x012: I think they gave you good advice, based on the question you asked, just not in very newbie-friendly terms. |
| 20:46.32 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell OrsenPike about survey |
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| 20:46.42 | H4x012 | http://pastebin.com/HiNhR66E |
| 20:46.49 | Azzy | Your "path" is set of folders which, when you type a command, will be searched for a file named whatever you typed; and then if it finds it, it will be executed. So you want to make a link to your script from inside one of those folders. |
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| 20:47.05 | abrotman | that's a story? |
| 20:47.17 | H4x012 | yeah dear |
| 20:47.25 | OrsenPike | are there any specific things one should do when installing d7 as a vmware guest? any gotchas that can be avoided? |
| 20:47.53 | H4x012 | i tried that one alias getunreal='sh "/home/chatkade/unreal.sh"' |
| 20:47.58 | phy1729 | petn-randall: but I'd like plain firefox not iceweasel |
| 20:47.59 | H4x012 | but doesnt help |
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| 20:48.08 | H4x012 | i places in ~/.bashrc stil doesnt work |
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| 20:48.20 | petn-randall | phy1729: They're identical except for the name. |
| 20:49.24 | Arrowmaster | name and icons |
| 20:49.36 | petn-randall | phy1729: the sane place to put firefox would be under some dir in your home. |
| 20:50.03 | Azzy | I'm not quite clear on what you're doing here, so if I'm misunderstanding, let me know. But why not simply run the script with ./unreal.sh ? |
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| 20:50.22 | petn-randall | phy1729: Don't let it install somewhere onto your filesystem, you won't be able to keep track where it puts files and you'll end up having a mess. |
| 20:50.24 | jhutchins_wk | H4x012: Does it run if you give the full path to it? |
| 20:50.30 | Azzy | Iceweasel and Firefox are NOT the same. |
| 20:50.41 | Azzy | I swear, I want to smack someone every time I hear that. |
| 20:50.48 | phy1729 | petn-randall: I just unpacked a tar into it's own dir |
| 20:50.57 | Azzy | Iceweasel is halfass maintained these days, it's bloated CPU-hogging.... ugh. |
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| 20:51.11 | abrotman | Azzy: Perhaps you'd like to ask the Debian-mozilla team about that |
| 20:51.12 | H4x012 | i when i run sh /home/chatkade/unreal.sh on user shell |
| 20:51.13 | H4x012 | it work |
| 20:51.28 | jhutchins_wk | Azzy: You have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 20:51.39 | petn-randall | Azzy: Ehm, do you have a credible source to back up your claim? |
| 20:51.41 | OrsenPike | what is the cleanest way to remove iceweasel and install firefox. is there a mozilla ppa for apt upgrades? |
| 20:51.51 | abrotman | Debian does not have PPAs |
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| 20:51.55 | abrotman | !tell OrsenPike about mdn |
| 20:51.55 | petn-randall | Last time I checked it still gets security support. |
| 20:52.06 | jhutchins_wk | H4x012: I would guess your quotes are not working right then. |
| 20:52.07 | OrsenPike | sorry not ppa but an apt repo? |
| 20:52.17 | petn-randall | OrsenPike: PPAs are Ubuntu-specific ... |
| 20:52.23 | abrotman | OrsenPike: see what the bot told you for a more recent Iceweasel |
| 20:52.24 | FireTalon | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 20:52.30 | H4x012 | so maybe i will remote the " |
| 20:52.32 | H4x012 | and try again |
| 20:52.36 | Azzy | Credible source: Run it. Google it. I and hundreds of other people have had the iceweasel-is-laggy-junk problem. |
| 20:52.40 | OrsenPike | yeah i am just used to writing ppa when i mean apt, my apologies :) |
| 20:52.40 | Arrowmaster | there is no firefox for debian unless you compile it yourself |
| 20:52.45 | jhutchins_wk | OrsenPike: iceweasel is the firefox code rebranded and compiled. |
| 20:53.03 | Azzy | And of course, half the websites you visit will complain about your old version since FF is on 20 and IW is on 10 or something. |
| 20:53.06 | petn-randall | Azzy: Ok, so you don't have a source. |
| 20:53.16 | FireTalon | install the new version of iceweasel then |
| 20:53.19 | Azzy | Excuse me? How is personal experience not a source? |
| 20:53.21 | Arrowmaster | theres iceweasel 21 |
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| 20:53.21 | abrotman | Azzy: /msg dpkg mdn |
| 20:53.31 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 20:53.32 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; sid: 17.0.6esr-1; experimental: 21.0-1 |
| 20:53.41 | OrsenPike | yeah i know what iceweasel is and understand the reasons behind it but was wondering if there was a better way to grabbing the .bed from mozilla.org |
| 20:53.44 | jhutchins_wk | Azzy: When it's not the code, it's you. |
| 20:53.44 | petn-randall | Azzy: Mozilla Iceweasel 21.0 |
| 20:53.46 | abrotman | and that doesn't include the mozilla.debian.net repository |
| 20:53.47 | Azzy | If I'm going to go to the trouble to track down a newer version of IW, I'm just going to install FF. |
| 20:53.48 | OrsenPike | .deb* |
| 20:53.54 | OrsenPike | i cant type tonight :/ |
| 20:54.01 | abrotman | Azzy: it's not exactly hard .. it's a single website with an apt repo |
| 20:54.05 | FireTalon | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release |
| 20:54.12 | abrotman | FireTalon: STOP, that's too easy! |
| 20:54.16 | Arrowmaster | use mozilla.debian.net or compile yourself |
| 20:54.16 | FireTalon | lol |
| 20:54.26 | Azzy | Yeah, and quess what? Installing FF isn't hard either, and I actually get updates in a timely manner. |
| 20:54.31 | jhutchins_wk | Azzy: If you're not smart enough to figure it out, fine, but don't blame the software. |
| 20:54.38 | Azzy | lol |
| 20:54.49 | Azzy | Yeah, obviously, I disagree with you so I'm stupid, ok buddy. |
| 20:54.52 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk++ |
| 20:54.54 | abrotman | Azzy: i think when i was paying attention, FF15 was out something like 23hrs before there was an IW15 |
| 20:55.43 | phy1729 | so why is there iceweasel then? If there aren't debian changes why does it need a different name? |
| 20:55.49 | jhutchins_wk | Azzy: iceweasel is the mozilla firefox code. Same exact stuff. You're talking about versions, but the changes aren't that big. It's the SAME CODE. |
| 20:55.58 | petn-randall | phy1729: Copyright reasons. |
| 20:56.04 | jdoles | If only there was such a thing called Wikipedia documenting this in detail! |
| 20:56.07 | jhutchins_wk | !why iceweasel |
| 20:56.07 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
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| 20:56.19 | Azzy | Look, I'm not arguing it. I know the experiences I've had trying to keep IW up to date vs the experiences I've had with FF. I know there are hundreds if not thousands of forum posts of people having the same issues with IW. If you're too lazy to google AND refuse to take my word, there's no point in me arguing with you. /done. |
| 20:56.44 | petn-randall | Azzy: And you've verified that those problems don't show up with Firefox? |
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| 20:56.57 | jhutchins_wk | Azzy: We don't need to go chasing silly rumors, we know the code, and it's the same. |
| 20:56.58 | twanny796 | using debian on asus laptop Eee PC Seashell series, but the keyboard does not map, any help please? |
| 20:57.20 | jdoles | petn-randall: his issues are likely related to the difference between an old and a new version. |
| 20:57.32 | abrotman | can't find the blog now |
| 20:57.35 | jhutchins_wk | Azzy: Just because you're not the only one who doesn't understand doesn't make you right. Plurality is not proof. |
| 20:57.39 | Azzy | What part of I'm not debating this with you was too hard for you to understand, jhutchins_wk? |
| 20:57.55 | jhutchins_wk | twanny796: Does not map? |
| 20:58.00 | Azzy | Dude, how is it I "don't understand" IW, but I understand your "identical" software? |
| 20:58.04 | Azzy | Ugh, no no no. |
| 20:58.09 | Azzy | Not even getting drug into this. |
| 20:58.15 | Azzy | Ignored, good day. |
| 20:58.16 | jhutchins_wk | Azzy: You can't debate it. THere's no basis in fact. |
| 20:58.37 | twanny796 | jhutchins_wk, like I cannot find backslash |
| 20:59.18 | jdoles | Does Iceweasel autoupdate these days to the latest version? |
| 20:59.31 | FireTalon | mine does |
| 20:59.32 | jdoles | If not, then Azzy was right that they are not the same. |
| 20:59.35 | FireTalon | when you add the repo for it |
| 20:59.56 | jdoles | FireTalon: is that a new Wheezy feature? |
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| 21:00.18 | FireTalon | yeah, being able to add repos to software thats not in main is a brand new feature |
| 21:00.32 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: No, it's been available since at least lenny. It was an external project before it became official. |
| 21:00.37 | jdoles | FireTalon: obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 21:00.47 | Arrowmaster | no software in debian will update itself outside of apt/dpkg |
| 21:00.53 | FireTalon | damn, someone told me I was wrong on the intarnet |
| 21:00.56 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: that repository always lagged behind. |
| 21:01.10 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: If the changes in firfox are trivial, it might not be a priority to get the latest version up, but anything significant gets posted pretty quickly. |
| 21:01.17 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: I installed the branded Firefox because of that. |
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| 21:01.45 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: I don't do that anymore, because I have no real problems with the current version of IceWeasel. |
| 21:01.45 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: That's a matter of taste I guess. Having the latest software as soon as it's realeased isn't really a debian thing. |
| 21:02.32 | jhutchins_wk | I like software that has been proven before I install it. Mozilla's released some pretty bad code in the past. |
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| 21:03.15 | jdoles | I like to hope that newer versions are better, because otherwise I can better not install the software in the first place. |
| 21:03.19 | jhutchins_wk | In any case, iceweasel is the same code, written by the same people as firefox. |
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| 21:03.51 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: it was my understand that there are some minor patches that are in favor of the user in IceWeasel too. |
| 21:04.22 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: I don't think mdn does any patching. THe main release might, but they've just been jacking the version instead of patching lately. |
| 21:04.42 | jdoles | Other than that, I have no doubt that they try to reduce the amount of work for themselves too as much as possible. |
| 21:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: There really isn't a source for third-party patches for firefox outside of mozilla. |
| 21:05.17 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: might have something to do with their pathetic build system. |
| 21:05.33 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: it's not exactly software that builds in 3 seconds. |
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| 21:05.56 | jdoles | In general, browsers feel more like corporate playgrounds. |
| 21:05.58 | jhutchins_wk | jdoles: That an the fact that there's a bug in the history system that I reported back when it was called mosaic... |
| 21:06.17 | jdoles | jhutchins_wk: oh my. |
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| 21:06.36 | jhutchins_wk | In any case, we had best return to the subject of Debian support. |
| 21:08.01 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk, jdoles: You can always carry on on #debian-offtopic :) |
| 21:08.27 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: I think we beat it to death. |
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| 21:08.37 | jdoles | concurs |
| 21:09.06 | abrotman | jdoles: you can easily check the changelog |
| 21:09.10 | abrotman | or patchset |
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| 21:11.13 | frog__ | hi, i need an app, which shows me net statistik (upload/download/current and max). any recommendations? |
| 21:11.27 | frog__ | it can also be cli |
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| 21:11.34 | abrotman | iftop? jnettop? |
| 21:11.45 | frog__ | thanx |
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| 21:16.09 | frog__ | and how can i see my up/downlink parameters ? ( i mean what link do i have)? |
| 21:16.25 | petn-randall | frog__: Depends on the interface. |
| 21:16.43 | petn-randall | frog__: On ethernet interfaces you do that with mii-tool/ethtool. |
| 21:16.50 | petn-randall | *can |
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| 21:17.08 | frog__ | yes, it is eth |
| 21:17.29 | nvz | yeah my first thought was far simpler than the programs abrotman suggested, which is that ifconfig shows most of this stuff |
| 21:17.58 | frog__ | let me try . thank you abrotman petn-randall |
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| 21:19.50 | frog__ | there was aslo some if-monitor for power (iirc) |
| 21:20.08 | frog__ | anyone can remind me its name? |
| 21:20.41 | nvz | frog__: could you rephrase / be more specific what you mean about "if-mon for power"? |
| 21:22.08 | frog__ | sorry!! stupid /me. i have once a monitoring for power. and i guess it was a tool with top in the name |
| 21:22.09 | jhutchins_wk | frog__: lm_sensors will monitor temperatures and voltages, you can display the results, as well as network traffic, with various graphical monitors. |
| 21:22.13 | petn-randall | frog__: you maybe mean powertop? It shows you the power consumption of your laptop |
| 21:22.41 | frog__ | yes, thank you petn-randall |
| 21:24.35 | petn-randall | frog__: you're welcome :) |
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| 21:25.09 | nvz | I used to use lm_sensors but it seems since the last time I owned a thinkpad they've developed new drivers.. this thinkpad-acpi driver is nice |
| 21:25.20 | abrotman | ugh, flashbacks, misread as corellinux |
| 21:25.21 | GentileBen | frog__: ##frogs |
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| 21:26.01 | nvz | ew.. I remember corellinux :-/ |
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| 21:27.59 | hydro-prince | Hello. |
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| 21:28.25 | petn-randall | hydro-prince: Welcome to the world of tomorrow! |
| 21:28.57 | hydro-prince | Thanks. |
| 21:29.02 | hydro-prince | Can I get support here as well? |
| 21:29.37 | master_j | try and see :) |
| 21:29.39 | Nurbs | Where are packages before they are uploaded to unstable repositories? |
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| 21:30.10 | hydro-prince | I tried to create an account on the Debian wiki so I could contribute to various teams |
| 21:30.17 | hydro-prince | But i keep getting account creation error 918... |
| 21:30.30 | abrotman | hydro-prince: i think there's an email address on the bottom? |
| 21:30.37 | hydro-prince | I put that in as well |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | i meant to contact |
| 21:30.55 | hydro-prince | yeah |
| 21:31.00 | hydro-prince | i sent an email, but no response yet |
| 21:31.37 | petn-randall | hydro-prince: Give them some time. Chances are the maintainer is on the other side of the world and sleeping :) |
| 21:32.02 | petn-randall | Nurbs: In the mind of the maintainer ... ? |
| 21:32.05 | hydro-prince | Okie. |
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| 21:33.12 | Nurbs | petn-randall: A bug on bugs.debian.org is closed with a changelog message, but the version is not in unstable yet. Isn't the pending package available somewhere already anyway? |
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| 21:38.23 | frog__ | is joung ##frogs ;) |
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| 21:43.50 | petn-randall | Nurbs: It's probably still in the upload queue, or being built by the build servers. |
| 21:44.32 | petn-randall | Nurbs: So I guess it depends on how long it takes to build when it will be available. |
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| 21:45.13 | hydro-prince | How can I get involved in the Debian development process while waiting for the account creation error to be fixed for me? |
| 21:45.23 | hydro-prince | I don't know anything about programming though... Oopsies. |
| 21:45.36 | Nurbs | petn-randall: are those accessible? It's not really critical, I can wait or downgrade, but it'd be interesting to know :) |
| 21:45.43 | abrotman | hydro-prince: debian.org/intro/help or something like that |
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| 21:45.58 | hydro-prince | Okay, thanks. |
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| 21:47.47 | petn-randall | Nurbs: Don't know the exact URL, but it would only be the source anyway. |
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| 21:53.00 | twanny796 | installed debian on eeepc but the keyboard is not working correctly, any experiences? |
| 21:53.05 | twanny796 | The ISO mechanical layout |
| 21:53.09 | twanny796 | ?? |
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| 21:53.35 | abrotman | twanny796: i think there's a #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:53.55 | Nurbs | petn-randall: Ok, thank you. I will read up on the Debian packaging/upload process. |
| 21:54.11 | twanny796 | abrotman, ok |
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| 22:33.44 | qman__ | yes |
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| 22:37.40 | hydro-prince | What are governors? I never understood what they are and what they do. |
| 22:38.53 | qman__ | while this link is for arch, most of the information is generally applicable, and it's very informative: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.archlinux.org%2Findex.php%2FCPU_Frequency_Scaling&ei=3XaqUfClM6XWygGdooGgBA&usg=AFQjCNGMoJvmd1F4MBkhKMpNFBT-iPSsRw&sig2=89xeBDrY-4TbB4B-oqKLiw |
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| 22:39.13 | abrotman | yuck |
| 22:39.14 | qman__ | sorry https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_Frequency_Scaling |
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| 22:49.23 | Zitter | hi, I have Debian 7 on /dev/sdb with grub in sdb1. It looks menuentry 'Debian' as set root = '(hd0,msdos1)' Now, in /dev/sda I have osx but it cannot load with set root='(/dev/sda,gpt2)' Any hint? What's GPT2? That menuentry was generated automagically, how can I edit, in case it is not correct? |
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| 22:51.13 | johnfg | I'm gonna try reinstalling gnome classic, allow it to remove hplip (which I'd had to install from backports for my new printer), and use the ppd that hplip installed. |
| 22:51.20 | [TheFlash] | hi everyone, i'm having a sound problem due to a kernel bug |
| 22:51.42 | johnfg | I'm gonna install from the cli,thinking that may be a bit better. |
| 22:51.45 | [TheFlash] | are there any alternative kernel versions in the repository? |
| 22:52.36 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: altnerative to what? |
| 22:52.53 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: alternative versions, because in 3.2.0 sound does not work |
| 22:53.00 | johnfg | Is this the best way to install gnome on squeeze? aptitude install desktop gnome-desktop |
| 22:53.01 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: in 2.6.32 for example, sound works |
| 22:53.08 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: (same ALSA version and configuration) |
| 22:53.27 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i tested it by installing the squeeze kernel into wheezy |
| 22:53.35 | abrotman | have you considered that it's just a config option ? |
| 22:53.37 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can see my host machine since the vm, Anyone could helpme? |
| 22:54.00 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: as in kernel config? |
| 22:54.07 | zykotick9 | [TheFlash]: in wheezy, does "cat /proc/asound/cards" list your main sound card as 0? |
| 22:54.16 | [TheFlash] | zykotick9: of course |
| 22:54.37 | [TheFlash] | zykotick9: as i said, when booting wheezy with kernel 2.6.32, sound works with the same ALSA |
| 22:54.41 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: no .. i mean a different alsa config |
| 22:54.50 | zykotick9 | [TheFlash]: "of course" that's strange, 'cause in wheezy mine was jumping around... well, good luck. |
| 22:55.23 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: an issue like this was reported to the ubuntu forums |
| 22:55.27 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:55.30 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: it was determined to be a kernel bug |
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| 22:56.06 | alteregoa | hello godess of chao, i got a problem to start my raid |
| 22:56.12 | alteregoa | http://pastebin.com/8kfMsXRi |
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| 23:00.52 | hydro-prince | Can I get some help? I was trying to install flash player |
| 23:01.00 | hydro-prince | but I got this in terminal (running as superuser) |
| 23:01.13 | hydro-prince | Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 23:01.15 | hydro-prince | Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.2+squeeze1) ... |
| 23:01.16 | hydro-prince | ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc |
| 23:01.50 | abrotman | hydro-prince: why are you still using squeeze ? |
| 23:01.53 | zykotick9 | hydro-prince: add the contrib repo, then "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" (i'm not 100% on the package name, there, i don't use it myself) |
| 23:02.07 | hydro-prince | abrotman: isn't squeeze the newest version? |
| 23:02.12 | abrotman | hydro-prince: /topic |
| 23:03.09 | hydro-prince | How do I add the contrib repo? |
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| 23:03.36 | zykotick9 | !tell hydro-prince about contrib |
| 23:03.36 | hydro-prince | I sound like an idiot, sorry. |
| 23:04.12 | hydro-prince | Thanks. |
| 23:05.07 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: on this thread a problem was reported with the exact same hardware and similar kernel: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967394 |
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| 23:05.37 | johnfg | Maybe I should just ask: what's the best way to reinstall the gnome desktop on squeeze? |
| 23:06.14 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: the "solution" was to downgrade the kernel - is this possible in debian? |
| 23:06.55 | beardy | Just install another kernel. |
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| 23:07.33 | [TheFlash] | beardy: you mean build one manually? |
| 23:08.07 | beardy | [TheFlash]: No. |
| 23:08.28 | [TheFlash] | beardy: i can't find a different kernel in the main repository |
| 23:08.35 | [TheFlash] | beardy: there's only 3.2.0-4 |
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| 23:09.52 | trotsky\splat | hi, what's the default debian wheezy wm (it's something in gnome i believe)? and how do I enable changing focus when I mouse over a non-focused window? |
| 23:10.08 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: there isn't one really |
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| 23:10.21 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: are you using gnome now? |
| 23:10.22 | trotsky\splat | what?! |
| 23:10.24 | trotsky\splat | yeah |
| 23:10.31 | trotsky\splat | no wm? |
| 23:10.34 | trotsky\splat | how does this shit work then? |
| 23:10.51 | abrotman | i meant there isn't a default really |
| 23:10.54 | [TheFlash] | trotsky\splat: there is no default WM, but there is a WM |
| 23:10.54 | beardy | No default shit one you shit. |
| 23:11.24 | trotsky\splat | abrotman: well there's whatever wm was installed when I selected 'gnome' as my DE during the debian installation process |
| 23:11.37 | trotsky\splat | default in the sense that I haven't changed anything there |
| 23:11.45 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: gnome-tweak-tool |
| 23:11.53 | trotsky\splat | k |
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| 23:12.03 | [TheFlash] | trotsky\splat: i can see why you're angry though, gnome 3 would drive every sane person crazy within minutes |
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| 23:12.55 | trotsky\splat | [TheFlash]: uhactually I really like it so far |
| 23:13.11 | trotsky\splat | though focus change without having to click would be very nice |
| 23:13.13 | johnfg | Would just gnome-session be enough? |
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| 23:13.25 | [TheFlash] | trotsky\splat: ok, then (for some reason i thought you were angry at something) |
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| 23:13.41 | trotsky\splat | [TheFlash]: nope |
| 23:14.32 | trotsky\splat | abrotman: ah, found it thanks |
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| 23:14.38 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: the gnome-tweak-tool has a lot of "hidden" settings .. the one you're looking for is under the Windows option, and then it's Window Focus Mode |
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| 23:14.43 | abrotman | ah good .. after I type all of that :) |
| 23:14.47 | trotsky\splat | hehe |
| 23:15.13 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: also note, the extensions.gnome.org have a lot of things that can ease transition |
| 23:15.20 | sharad_ | can anybody recommend some cpu and os benchmarking tools? |
| 23:15.27 | trotsky\splat | [TheFlash]: was just confused by abrotman 's earlier comment - quite clearly there is a default wm in the sense I meant it |
| 23:16.20 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: there's a "Default" if you don't know any better, but you can realistically choose anything you want |
| 23:16.40 | trotsky\splat | but that's what a default is :P |
| 23:16.45 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: so if you just grab the installer and choose "Desktop", you'll get gnome3 .. but there are install images for kde/lxde/xfce |
| 23:17.09 | trotsky\splat | abrotman: right, tho I Did say i'd chosen gnome |
| 23:17.19 | trotsky\splat | and gnome3 itself isn't an actual wm is it? |
| 23:17.22 | abrotman | sorry, missed that |
| 23:17.25 | trotsky\splat | i thought the wm was a subset |
| 23:17.26 | [TheFlash] | and there are also WMs in external repositories, for example MATE (a fork of GNOME 2) |
| 23:17.29 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: i think it's mutter, i can't remember |
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| 23:17.37 | trotsky\splat | abrotman: know how I can find out? |
| 23:17.38 | abrotman | die mate die .. |
| 23:17.41 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: wikipedia? |
| 23:17.46 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: why? |
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| 23:17.49 | trotsky\splat | yeah worth a try |
| 23:17.51 | trotsky\splat | :) |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell trotsky\splat about mutter |
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| 23:18.26 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: personally i think MATE is the perfect desktop, but that's just my opinion |
| 23:18.30 | trotsky\splat | oh larvely |
| 23:18.40 | trotsky\splat | danke shoen abrotman |
| 23:18.43 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: completely disagree, and I wish (for technical reasons), it would go away |
| 23:18.43 | trotsky\splat | tschuess |
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| 23:18.49 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: bless you? |
| 23:18.53 | trotsky\splat | er one s sorry |
| 23:19.03 | nvz | sharad_: hardinfo |
| 23:19.08 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i wish it would switch to GTK 3, but keep the interface |
| 23:19.09 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: alternately, look at Cinnamon |
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| 23:19.22 | trotsky\splat | abrotman: sorry I just assume everyone knows that particular phrase of german |
| 23:19.36 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: that |
| 23:19.43 | abrotman | trotsky\splat: that "brotman" confuses people :) |
| 23:19.43 | trotsky\splat | is silly, i know |
| 23:20.07 | trotsky\splat | anyway bye |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 23:21.15 | jelly-home | mint seems to have maanged to ship both mate and gnome3 in the same release |
| 23:21.32 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: (about the sound problem) thanks for the help, but i think i'm going to have to build a custom kernel |
| 23:21.40 | sharad_ | on what parameters can a processor be benchmarked? |
| 23:21.50 | [TheFlash] | hopefully i won't have to fix the source code too |
| 23:22.01 | [TheFlash] | as I had to do with openchrome |
| 23:22.44 | nvz | sharad_: you might serve yourself best to ask questions of that nature in ##hardware or such.. generally speaking though a CPU benchmark generally just tests how fast it can do something |
| 23:23.49 | sharad_ | nvz: on it |
| 23:23.55 | sharad_ | thanks:) |
| 23:24.48 | johnfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.37 | sharad_ | nvz: it says "##hardware Cannot send to channel " what does it mean? |
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| 23:26.04 | nvz | sharad_: try just /j #hardware and it should redirect you |
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| 23:26.35 | grimeton | hi |
| 23:26.52 | grimeton | does the linux-source package contain the vanilla source or the "we patched the shit out of it"-debian version? |
| 23:27.02 | [TheFlash] | grimeton: patched version |
| 23:27.14 | grimeton | [TheFlash]: thanks |
| 23:27.43 | [TheFlash] | grimeton: for some packages downloaded through apt-get source <package>, the patches are separate |
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| 23:27.57 | johnfg | how about 'tasksel install gnome (and forget the --new-install? |
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| 23:28.05 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: have you asked #alsa? |
| 23:28.16 | grimeton | TheDrums: in this case i didn't download the source of the linux-image package, I installed the linux-source package itself |
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| 23:29.25 | fxhp | does debian 7 come with upstart? I see /etc/init directory with .conf files, but I don't have the scripts (start,restart,stop,status) |
| 23:29.41 | [TheFlash] | grimeton: that should be the debian version |
| 23:29.54 | abrotman | fxhp: by default? no |
| 23:30.08 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: not yet, i'll try asking on #alsa |
| 23:30.13 | fxhp | abrotman: why is that directory there |
| 23:30.14 | [TheFlash] | bye |
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| 23:30.20 | fxhp | ? |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | fxhp: it's an optoin though |
| 23:30.32 | abrotman | judd: versions upstart |
| 23:30.33 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; jessie: 1.6.1-1; sid: 1.6.1-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1 |
| 23:30.52 | fxhp | judd: versions systemd |
| 23:30.53 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- jessie: 44-11; sid: 44-11; wheezy: 44-11 |
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| 23:40.59 | johnfg | Does tasksel not work from a tty? |
| 23:41.10 | johnfg | As it didn't do anything. |
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| 23:42.34 | grimeton | johnfg: if tasksel wouldn't work on a tty we'd have a big problem |
| 23:43.37 | johnfg | grimeton: Well, from the lxdm desktop, when I entered tasksel, I got what I expected (had never tried using it directly before), but got nothing from this cli on tty1. |
| 23:43.57 | grimeton | johnfg: no error messages, nothing? |
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| 23:50.01 | johnfg | So, for squeeze, what's the best command to reinstall gnome, per the information on wiki.debian.org/Gnome vs. gnome desktop? |
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| 23:50.35 | grimeton | johnfg: there is a set of commands like dpkg and apt-get - i'd say: choose your poison |
| 23:50.48 | grimeton | johnfg: uninstall all gnome stuff with dpkg --purge and then install it again |
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| 23:52.11 | johnfg | grimeton: Not the cmds for installing, but what I'd issue instead of apt-get install gnome-desktop. |
| 23:53.01 | johnfg | Check out that wiki page and you'll see what I mean, the difference between gnome-desktop and gnome there. They've got the instructions for gnome-desktop, but not gnome. |
| 23:53.04 | grimeton | johnfg: the "tasksel package" is task-gnome-desktop |
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