| 00:00.11 | moof2 | oh ok, so I'm wondering about 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 00:00.27 | wolfmitchell | is it in apt-get? |
| 00:00.36 | moof2 | not sure |
| 00:00.40 | wolfmitchell | lemme look |
| 00:00.41 | mtn | roe: password is failing? is that what you mean? |
| 00:00.44 | moof2 | it might be |
| 00:00.56 | roe | mtn, I can't be sure what's failing, as cups doesn't log any error |
| 00:01.20 | mtn | roe: I mean, please explain you actual problem, it is not clear at this point |
| 00:01.30 | chrisirc_ | Also, it's super weird: completely consistently when I try to open a terminal window to type "top" to see who's eating the cpu, it stops. I've only figured out it was iceweasel by leaving "top -b > log" running. |
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| 00:01.41 | mtn | roe: what are you trying to do, what happens, etc. |
| 00:01.56 | roe | I open https://localhost:631 ( through an ssh tunnel) and when I got to 'add a printer' it prompts for a username and password |
| 00:01.56 | wolfmitchell | moof2, nope... |
| 00:02.03 | chrisirc_ | So it might be that iceweasel checks X input to see whether the computer is idle then perform *some* computation, and stops once I resume typing. |
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| 00:02.18 | roe | and now matter what username and password I enter, it just keeps prompting |
| 00:02.22 | roe | no matter* |
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| 00:02.59 | moof2 | wolfmitchell, it could be available as linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 00:03.00 | petn-randall | chrisirc_: I don't think so. |
| 00:03.21 | mtn | roe: I believe it should be root and root password |
| 00:03.28 | petn-randall | chrisirc_: It sometimes cleans up the sqlite db from old entries, maybe it's that. Though I never noticed it on my machine. |
| 00:03.30 | roe | nope |
| 00:03.31 | wolfmitchell | nope... |
| 00:03.39 | petn-randall | chrisirc_: Which version of iceweasel are you running? |
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| 00:04.01 | chrisirc_ | 10.0.12esr-1 |
| 00:04.28 | chrisirc_ | As I said, it happened since squeeze though. |
| 00:04.34 | wolfmitchell | brb |
| 00:05.17 | wolfmitchell | back |
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| 00:08.35 | petn-randall | chrisirc_: Then put a strace to it when it happens the next time. |
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| 00:09.14 | regorianer | any coder can tell me how to configure defining an option (MT_OPTION) of configure.ac ? |
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| 00:10.11 | wolfmitchell | moof2, it's not in repos |
| 00:10.38 | moof2 | wolfmitchell, thanks for humoring my curiousity... never got to the point where I know definitively what's up with your usb under that kernel... |
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| 00:11.37 | wolfmitchell | I could boot into that kernel, ssh in, then get the stuff |
| 00:12.04 | wolfmitchell | moof2, ^ |
| 00:12.35 | wolfmitchell | also, the X server has no display or anything in that kernel |
| 00:13.21 | wolfmitchell | I'll just do it tomorrow\ |
| 00:13.23 | moof2 | for me what happens is this thing called dracut, which is supposed to be some new way to handle the creation of initrds, is installed any time a newer (3+) kernel is installed, and it's broken: |
| 00:13.54 | moof2 | dracut decided to only activate the first volume group in alphabetical order... |
| 00:14.13 | moof2 | the vg where the installation is is not in that volume group |
| 00:14.28 | wolfmitchell | is there a way to get CPU temp without kernel modules? |
| 00:15.46 | wolfmitchell | moof2, ^ |
| 00:16.24 | moof2 | I dunno the answer to that, and I will need the cpu temp sometime in the next week |
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| 00:26.48 | wolfmitchell | moof, lm-sensors |
| 00:26.51 | wolfmitchell | moof2 ^ |
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| 00:27.44 | moof2 | yeah, that's the name of it |
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| 00:29.46 | wolfmitchell | would it be safe to copy a modules.builtin and a modules.builtin.bin from a 3.2 kernel to a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 00:30.50 | moof2 | no |
| 00:31.27 | moof2 | I'm pretty sure that the way you write modules has changed a lot in 3.x |
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| 00:33.06 | jmmy | you know the program "streamer", can you select between /dev/video0 and /dev/video1? |
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| 00:42.22 | abyxcos | Got some initramfs questions. |
| 00:43.13 | abyxcos | Is there any way to pass ./configure flags to modules when it gets rolled in? |
| 00:44.01 | abyxcos | I'm trying to roll zfs into my initramfs, but it defaults to installing stuff to /lib, but looking for files in /usr/local/lib. |
| 00:44.08 | jmmy | I have two webcam, I record using "streamer", but when I try "streamer -C /dev/video0" or "streamer -C /dev/video1" it using the same webcam |
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| 00:47.56 | jmmy | oooh should be -i not -C |
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| 00:49.31 | jmmy | no I mean -c |
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| 00:57.26 | abyxcos | Also, what's the proper way to mount /dev in an initrd? |
| 00:57.44 | abyxcos | I've got a "mount -n -o move /dev ${rootmnt}%{udev_root} |
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| 00:59.18 | jiohdi | anyone know if Avant Window manager dock is available for Deb? |
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| 01:01.00 | jiohdi | avant windows navigator that is |
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| 01:05.37 | ks_ | How do I create a parallel session under different user name? At the moment I'm trying to do following: rdesktop -u ubuntu -p abc localhost in /etc/init.d/parallelSession start, but looks like it doesn't kick in at all after reboot. |
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| 01:08.28 | dizzylizzy | I need some assistance getting a VPN service I just bought working with my system. I'm using sid, gnome 3(.4), the network-manager vpn. |
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| 01:09.05 | dizzylizzy | Is there a more direct way of enabling a vpn |
| 01:09.17 | abyxcos | Yes. |
| 01:09.34 | abyxcos | However, I can't remember how to do it, a quick google should find you an answer. |
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| 01:10.22 | ks_ | hmm no real linux geeks today |
| 01:10.26 | kaneda^ | hey all, having an issue with a live build, but i think it's more generally a wheezy issue: http://pastie.org/private/u0jwo6ctoeesjrkcb8zta |
| 01:10.52 | kaneda^ | any ideas why i cant seem to meet the package requirements? |
| 01:11.17 | dizzylizzy | Thank you |
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| 01:14.57 | taqutor | I'm reading hte FAQ while downloading Debian, and the way it kind of describes the structure of a distro makes me wonder, what exactly separates distros from each other? Aren't they all just based on the linux kernel alongside a WM/DE? |
| 01:15.02 | taqutor | And a selection of applications? |
| 01:15.05 | taqutor | the* |
| 01:15.09 | taqutor | Or am I oversimplifying it. |
| 01:16.12 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 01:16.18 | kaneda^ | there's something called LSB (linux standard base) |
| 01:16.21 | kaneda^ | which a lot of distros abide by |
| 01:16.31 | Arrowmaster | distros are separate because people declare them separate |
| 01:16.47 | p_quarles | taqutor: largely the way it's put together is what distinguishes distros; one of the big things is package management, which is where distros become noticeably different from one another |
| 01:16.48 | kaneda^ | distros are like different philosophies, they all want to achieve the same thing but go about it in different ways |
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| 01:17.36 | taqutor | I understand that there might be big distinctions when comparing the philosophies driving each distros, but in practice they seem quite similar to me. |
| 01:17.41 | taqutor | Or effectively rather. |
| 01:17.54 | abyxcos | taqutor: As a user, they all roughly converge on each other. |
| 01:17.59 | taqutor | While slightly pulling in different directions as dictated by their respective philosophy. |
| 01:18.07 | taqutor | alright yeah, that's what I felt. :) |
| 01:18.10 | taqutor | Thanks for clarifying. |
| 01:18.11 | abyxcos | taqutor: As an administrator/root, is where you tend to see the most difference. |
| 01:18.18 | kaneda^ | well, yum and aptitude, rpm and dpkg are quite different |
| 01:18.28 | abyxcos | taqutor: Except for Ubuntu which has a very visible goal of focusing on user experience. |
| 01:18.37 | taqutor | aight |
| 01:18.38 | kaneda^ | but they both run bash as the default shell, so you wouldnt see a difference when running a script |
| 01:19.15 | taqutor | kaneda^: yeah, but what i mean is that even if those selections may differ, they don't offer for as many variations as there are distros out there, so it still seems to me like many of them will largely be similar to a regular home user/de user |
| 01:19.29 | taqutor | with only slight differences |
| 01:19.34 | taqutor | as dictated by their philosophies |
| 01:19.44 | kaneda^ | taqutor, there are few projects so developed as a handful of DEs |
| 01:19.54 | kaneda^ | you COULD go and use one that's not heard of, but it's probably not well-developed |
| 01:20.00 | taqutor | yeah |
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| 01:20.06 | abyxcos | taqutor: A large amount of those distros aren't made for non-literate users. |
| 01:20.35 | taqutor | Gotcha. |
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| 01:22.08 | abyxcos | taqutor: So you can think of it as administrative differences. |
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| 01:22.36 | abyxcos | taqutor: And a lot of this was spawned off of needs for server OS's. |
| 01:23.14 | taqutor | Ah, I see. |
| 01:23.15 | taqutor | Alright. |
| 01:23.26 | abyxcos | taqutor: A lot of distros have been converging on each other also. |
| 01:23.36 | taqutor | How do you mean? |
| 01:23.49 | kaneda^ | well, debian is the base of both mint and ubuntu |
| 01:24.00 | kaneda^ | so mint and ubuntu are very similar, but have different design goals |
| 01:24.10 | abyxcos | taqutor: The biggest thing is probably where/when/how packages get updated though. Not just the package manager, but eg gentoo and arch will both have bleeding edge packages the hour they're released. |
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| 01:24.42 | kaneda^ | there's also rolling release vs incremental |
| 01:25.02 | kaneda^ | most people who run a server will choose incremental release ;p |
| 01:26.20 | taqutor | Ahh, I see. Thanks for explaining. |
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| 01:26.59 | abyxcos | One of the new sticking points is upstart/init/systemd and alsa/oss/pulseaudio. |
| 01:27.16 | taqutor | To be honest, and I don't mean this in a critical way, but I wish there was a home user-adapted introduction to Linux, that sort of just, goes through both the essentially/effective principles of the Linux ecosystem/flora, as well as the overall rules that governs the way Linux effectively works as an OS. I find that most guides start out very low-level, |
| 01:27.16 | taqutor | overly specific, and technical, and for someone like me it'd help if instead, I got to understand how things tend to play out in practice rather than the intended effects as dictated by some philosophy. |
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| 01:27.16 | abyxcos | And gnome2/gnome3/ubuntu-gnome. |
| 01:27.21 | taqutor | It would've saved me some time I think. |
| 01:27.33 | taqutor | But that's just my subjective opinion, I guess. :) |
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| 01:27.57 | unheeding | Desktop Environments are known harmful software |
| 01:28.09 | abyxcos | taqutor: I always recommend giving gentoo a shot. |
| 01:28.09 | kaneda^ | shoves a sock in unheeding |
| 01:29.06 | abyxcos | taqutor: Or even just reading the gentoo manual. |
| 01:29.11 | taqutor | abyxcos: No, don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with a specific piece of software. I've used Linux for a bit now, and I like it a lot. I'm just talking in retrospect, about how I wish someone would've told me the general concepts and how they tend to work out in practice, rather than feeding me some technical ideology/philosophy instead. |
| 01:29.28 | kaneda^ | taqutor, there's always google and wikipedia |
| 01:29.34 | kaneda^ | we live in an age where it's entirely possible to educate yourself |
| 01:29.50 | taqutor | kaneda^: Yeah, for sure. Like I said, I'm not being critical. I'm just talking about how introductionary information seems to be shaped overall. |
| 01:30.13 | unheeding | this is unix... i know this |
| 01:30.16 | abyxcos | taqutor: I feel gentoo tends to do a good job with that. It gets a rep for being hardcore because one has to type things in. |
| 01:30.19 | taqutor | But yeah, thanks for clarifying. :) |
| 01:30.23 | kaneda^ | linux != unix |
| 01:30.29 | kaneda^ | thank god for that ;) |
| 01:30.40 | unheeding | installs systemd |
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| 01:30.49 | kaneda^ | sysvinit4lyfe |
| 01:30.50 | abyxcos | taqutor: The openbsd guide is also decent. |
| 01:31.16 | kaneda^ | i'm a big fan of thigns that just work, whcih is why i use debian ;) |
| 01:31.32 | unheeding | debian was the only distro that didn't just work for me |
| 01:31.44 | unheeding | but i got it to work :) |
| 01:31.48 | abyxcos | kaneda^: Unforteantly, I can't say I'm having a "just working" experience at the moment. |
| 01:31.57 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, what are you trying to do? |
| 01:32.09 | kaneda^ | and fyi, if anyone can help me out with a live-build bug i'd be grateful |
| 01:32.13 | abyxcos | kaneda^: Boot. |
| 01:32.21 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, more specifically...? |
| 01:32.39 | taqutor | I mean, if an article is aimed at sparking an interest in a windows home user, it might help to sort of explain how the distro flora tends to work out in general, and maybe some cool principles that makes Linux differ from windows, like Everything is a File, for instance, or just the idea of client/server, or the root/user dichotomy. Learning those things |
| 01:32.40 | taqutor | tends to give you a perspective of what Linux is all about, and I wish I could've started out learning that so I kind of got to get a good feeling for what Linux will allow me to do, before trying to push in-depth technical stuff. |
| 01:32.42 | abyxcos | kaneda^: Initramfs was built by a bunch of tossers who never had to actually use a computer, much less their system. |
| 01:32.47 | taqutor | But maybe that's just me being weird. |
| 01:33.02 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, that's not an explanation, where into the boot process do you get, what are the symptoms? |
| 01:33.27 | abyxcos | kaneda^: initramfs can't mount root. Because it was built by tossers. |
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| 01:33.31 | kaneda^ | taqutor, everything can do everything, that's the problem |
| 01:33.37 | taqutor | kaneda^: Heh. :) |
| 01:33.40 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, what's the goal here? |
| 01:33.45 | abyxcos | kaneda^: To boot. |
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| 01:33.59 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, i dont understand your problem ;p |
| 01:34.05 | unheeding | but if you boot then you'll have more problems |
| 01:34.09 | abyxcos | kaneda^: I can't boot without a gentoo kernel. |
| 01:34.09 | unheeding | might as well stop before you start |
| 01:34.26 | abyxcos | My gentoo kernel/initramfs boots the debian system. |
| 01:34.27 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, what's a "gentoo kernel"? |
| 01:34.35 | abyxcos | But the debian kernel/initramfs won't mount root. |
| 01:34.54 | abyxcos | kaneda^: It's the one under my gentoo instal. |
| 01:34.56 | superstraw | what in the hell is going on in here? |
| 01:34.59 | kaneda^ | the linux kernel is the linux kernel, distros modify the linux kernel, that doesnt make it a "gentoo kernel" |
| 01:35.13 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, ok, so what version of the LINUX kernel is it? |
| 01:35.44 | abyxcos | 3.6.11-gentoo will boot any debian-unstable root. |
| 01:35.55 | kaneda^ | yah, that's very recent |
| 01:36.05 | abyxcos | Any debian initramfs (with any kernel) won't boot. |
| 01:36.14 | taqutor | Anyone here familiar with installing Debian in VMware? Because I have a bunch of preset environments to choose from on which I'm going to have to install db7, and apparently VMware hasn't been updated for 7 yet. :( |
| 01:36.24 | taqutor | So I'm wondering if I should go with db6 env. or just a general-purpose linux one. |
| 01:36.28 | themill | abyxcos: what are you loading into the initramfs? Are you loading the relevant filesystem modules? |
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| 01:36.35 | abyxcos | taqutor: deb6 should work. |
| 01:36.42 | taqutor | Alright, thanks. |
| 01:36.50 | abyxcos | themill: Yes. I'm trying to figure out why the script it just ran dissapeared. |
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| 01:37.01 | kaneda^ | erm, deb6 is now old |
| 01:37.22 | unheeding | oldstable |
| 01:37.27 | abyxcos | themill: It runs /script/local-top/*, but only /script/local and /script/local-bottom/ exist. |
| 01:37.40 | kaneda^ | taqutor, just use generic/other linux (64-bit) |
| 01:37.45 | kaneda^ | if it's 64-bit anyways |
| 01:37.45 | taqutor | Ok, thanks. |
| 01:37.59 | abyxcos | taqutor: In VMWare, any redhat, deb6 or 2.6+ kernel/linux will work. |
| 01:38.06 | taqutor | Alright. |
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| 01:38.44 | abyxcos | themill: But my filesystem scripts don't seem to be being ran either. |
| 01:38.49 | taqutor | Will it matter that it only allows me to specify a 2.6.x kernel? :/ |
| 01:38.53 | taqutor | at the most |
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| 01:39.00 | kaneda^ | taqutor, probably not |
| 01:39.02 | taqutor | ok |
| 01:39.06 | abyxcos | themill: And given that there's toss-all documentation on initramfs, I can't easily trace what's being called. |
| 01:39.20 | abyxcos | taqutor: 3.x is 2.6 in spirit. |
| 01:39.25 | taqutor | aight :) |
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| 01:40.13 | themill | abyxcos: how are you building your initramfs? What sort of filesystems do you have there? encryption? |
| 01:40.24 | abyxcos | themill: zfs, and dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 01:40.25 | klys | taqutor: make sure your kernel version is compatible with your udev version and you should be set. |
| 01:40.48 | abyxcos | themill: I'm trying to let it work by magic, but it's just giving me headaches. |
| 01:40.52 | themill | abyxcos: dpkg-reconfigure is some sort of filesystem or encryption now? |
| 01:40.58 | kaneda^ | ? |
| 01:41.01 | kaneda^ | wha? |
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| 01:41.07 | kaneda^ | dpkg-reconfigure = reconfigure package |
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| 01:41.10 | kaneda^ | it's just like it sounds |
| 01:41.13 | themill | kaneda^: I know |
| 01:41.16 | abyxcos | themill: dpkg-reconfigure, and zfs. |
| 01:41.17 | taqutor | klys: Not quite sure what that means, but I'll give it a read as well as a try. |
| 01:41.25 | kaneda^ | zfs requires some kern modifications i think |
| 01:41.44 | abyxcos | kaneda^: Check. |
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| 01:41.57 | dizzylizzy | Most of the articles I can find on "VPN on linux" are about running a vpn server; I don't want to do that, I want to connect to a remote vpn service. Any articles available on this? |
| 01:42.03 | dizzylizzy | preferably UI-independent |
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| 01:42.24 | kaneda^ | according to this random guide there's a package for it |
| 01:42.26 | themill | dizzylizzy: depends entirely on what sort of VPN you're talking about |
| 01:42.26 | kaneda^ | http://zfsonlinux.org/debian.html |
| 01:42.41 | abyxcos | kaneda^: Yes, I've gotten that far. And/or working in gentoo. |
| 01:42.53 | abyxcos | kaneda^: I can't for the life of me make debian/initramfs not do dumb things. |
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| 01:43.00 | kaneda^ | abyxcos, http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html#WhatKernelVersionsAreSupported |
| 01:43.01 | dizzylizzy | themill, what do you mean? |
| 01:43.29 | themill | dizzylizzy: there's no such thing as "a VPN" there's "a pptp vpn" or "an openvpn vpn" or "a cisco vpn" etc |
| 01:43.41 | abyxcos | kaneda^: I'm a few steps past that. |
| 01:43.51 | themill | abyxcos: are you including zfs in your initramfs? |
| 01:43.58 | abyxcos | themill: Yes. |
| 01:44.10 | abyxcos | themill: So far that's the only thing that's correct in my initramfs. |
| 01:44.14 | themill | abyxcos: do you have some sort of encryption there? |
| 01:44.18 | abyxcos | No. |
| 01:44.29 | themill | is not sure why he had to ask that three times |
| 01:44.46 | abyxcos | Because you didn't like my other answer? |
| 01:45.11 | themill | "dpkg-reconfigure" tells me absolutely nothing... |
| 01:45.20 | abyxcos | You asked how I was creating it. |
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| 01:45.31 | abyxcos | Whatever magic dpkg-reconfigure does. |
| 01:45.35 | themill | what package are you reconfiguring? |
| 01:45.41 | abyxcos | linux-image-whatnot. |
| 01:45.47 | themill | ok |
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| 01:46.53 | abyxcos | I'm not convinced my grub-line is right, but I can't figure out which script parses the kernel line... |
| 01:47.26 | klys | dizzylizzy: try this search ["windows vpn" linux] articles appear to suggest windows vpn is PoPToP (similar to pptpd). |
| 01:47.38 | abyxcos | But as far as I can tell, initramfs just isn't running zfs mount, it's trying to do something dumb and plain-mount root. |
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| 01:50.29 | dizzylizzy | klys, it's openvpn. |
| 01:50.41 | phaustus | Hi! I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. After carefully following the instructions on debian.org and a long wait after "apt-get dist-upgrade", while apt-get unpacks "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 I get this error: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault". Ideas? |
| 01:51.15 | dizzylizzy | I'm following all the instructions available on the service's support site, and GNOME 3 is still simply not connecting and giving me no further information before clicking back "off" |
| 01:51.37 | dizzylizzy | what I'm looking for is some way to set this at the terminal where, I don't know, some kind of text will spit out saying "connection refused" or something, literally any information whatsoever as to what's going on |
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| 01:53.23 | klys | dizzylizzy: just tried [openvpn linux], and got a linux setup link which ends in ping. how to set up a linux openvpn client. |
| 01:55.28 | themill | abyxcos: the zfsonlinux people provide a zfs-initramfs package for other debian derivative distributions that they claim adds the necessary bits to make the initramfs mount a root on zfs. I've also seen other developers say that this package doesn't work for wheezy in any case. |
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| 01:56.45 | abyxcos | themill: Yes, I've noticed it has it's 'rough edges.' |
| 01:58.21 | abyxcos | themill: That's the one I'm using though. |
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| 01:58.51 | zomfg | hola debianers |
| 01:59.00 | kaneda^ | holllla |
| 01:59.54 | zomfg | lool |
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| 02:00.57 | zomfg | so i tri to do dpkg-scanpackages |
| 02:01.15 | zomfg | and its teling me it needs perl includes |
| 02:01.26 | zomfg | :~~~ |
| 02:01.43 | zomfg | i must cry nau |
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| 02:03.06 | zomfg | !ops |
| 02:03.07 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 02:03.12 | zomfg | debian is being mean to me |
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| 02:04.46 | kaneda^ | pokes zomfg |
| 02:04.48 | kaneda^ | what you want? |
| 02:04.57 | zomfg | coz man |
| 02:05.08 | zomfg | it wont do it |
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| 02:05.42 | zomfg | im jus gona lern how to apt-zip |
| 02:05.48 | zomfg | hav u used it? |
| 02:05.58 | kaneda^ | nope |
| 02:06.04 | zomfg | see |
| 02:06.09 | zomfg | no 1 knows anything |
| 02:06.14 | kaneda^ | :( |
| 02:06.24 | themill | zomfg: try asking real questions in English. |
| 02:06.25 | klys | what perl packages do you need |
| 02:06.39 | zomfg | klys, i have no network |
| 02:06.49 | zomfg | im trying to install network |
| 02:07.06 | zomfg | via usb |
| 02:07.15 | klys | lspci -vvv | grep thernet |
| 02:07.47 | zomfg | yes i kno |
| 02:07.53 | zomfg | bcm blah blah |
| 02:08.04 | zomfg | i know what stuff i need |
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| 02:09.12 | zomfg | well at least i made my first ever encrypted partition |
| 02:09.20 | zomfg | wuz kool |
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| 02:12.11 | zomfg | wats the deal w the trash bin ruined in gnome3 |
| 02:12.24 | unheeding | gnome3 is known harmful software |
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| 02:12.32 | zomfg | srsly |
| 02:12.54 | zomfg | is it like security hole for debian? |
| 02:12.57 | tolong_saya | when you running badblocks test, does your disk need to contain data? because im using it on empty hard disk |
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| 02:13.28 | zomfg | tolong_saya, i dun think so |
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| 02:13.38 | zomfg | blocks dun care bout data |
| 02:13.51 | Dewi | tolong_saya: that's fine |
| 02:14.13 | zomfg | jus cheks is data can be writen to that block |
| 02:14.21 | zomfg | rite? |
| 02:14.28 | Dewi | zomfg: not by default |
| 02:14.51 | zomfg | so its even lower than that |
| 02:14.59 | Dewi | -n to add non-destructive write testing, -w to do destructive write testing |
| 02:15.00 | tolong_saya | atm it's doing "Checking for bad blocks (read-only test)" so i thought this test make no sense when there's no data on the disk to read |
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| 02:16.09 | Dewi | tolong_saya: it still tests the blocks are readable. a write test is more thorough, and you have no reason not to do one on an empty disk |
| 02:16.20 | Dewi | other than time, strain on the disk, etc |
| 02:16.23 | Dewi | depends why you are checking it |
| 02:16.27 | zomfg | how come trash is not working for cairo dock in gnome3 |
| 02:16.43 | zomfg | ya exactly |
| 02:17.35 | Dewi | don't most disks these days automatically reallocate bad blocks? |
| 02:17.53 | Dewi | you might be better off just asking the SMART subsystem on the disk how many bad blocks it has reallocated |
| 02:17.59 | Dewi | ( tolong_saya ) |
| 02:18.09 | klys | I had heard that was a feature on harddisks as early as the turn of the century. |
| 02:18.18 | zomfg | Dewi, yes |
| 02:18.25 | zomfg | like ssds |
| 02:18.38 | zomfg | they make sure to move blocks around |
| 02:18.50 | zomfg | and recycle |
| 02:19.03 | Dewi | SSDs do it even more zomfg, to try to spread the writes out evenly |
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| 02:19.05 | zomfg | so same blocks arnt worn out |
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| 02:19.11 | Dewi | but hard disks do it if there's a problem |
| 02:19.17 | Dewi | they have a bunch of spare sectors to use instead |
| 02:19.23 | zomfg | itsnt that defrag? |
| 02:19.32 | Dewi | no, defrag is a filesystem organization thing |
| 02:19.37 | factor | with a 64bit system on d7 I can still run 32 bit binaries right with the 32 lib package |
| 02:19.42 | Dewi | I'm talking about actual blocks on the hardware that have gone bad |
| 02:19.47 | zomfg | gah defrag was a piece of shit |
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| 02:20.02 | Dewi | even if you have some, badblocks won't see them if the disk controller has already rotated in a spare sector |
| 02:20.03 | ChibaPet | factor: Things have changed. You now want multi-arch. |
| 02:20.12 | factor | oh ok |
| 02:20.21 | Dewi | but you can ask smartmontools about that kind of stuff |
| 02:20.23 | ChibaPet | factor: man dpkg, and search for add-architecture |
| 02:20.27 | factor | do a apt-cache search for multi-arch |
| 02:20.29 | zomfg | factor, yes |
| 02:20.30 | factor | ok |
| 02:20.40 | zomfg | thats what the 32bit libs r for |
| 02:20.50 | zomfg | usualy for games |
| 02:21.50 | ChibaPet | or skype |
| 02:22.12 | dvs | zomfg: I think you want smartmontools |
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| 02:22.42 | Dewi | dvs: it was tolong_saya, but I'm not sure what the context is |
| 02:22.46 | factor | yes skype |
| 02:23.01 | dvs | ok |
| 02:23.01 | factor | I get this error Package ia32-libs-i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 02:23.52 | factor | do I need a multi-arch repo |
| 02:23.58 | themill | factor: did you add i386 as a foreign architecture? Are you following the instructions on the debian wiki? |
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| 02:24.21 | factor | I just did an apt get |
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| 02:24.42 | ChibaPet | factor: That no longer exists in Wheezy, hence my pointing you at multi-arch. |
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| 02:24.57 | factor | ok looks like I have to use dpkg |
| 02:25.02 | ChibaPet | factor: man dpkg, and search for add-architecture |
| 02:26.45 | factor | cool |
| 02:26.55 | factor | good way to move to since ARM is growing as well |
| 02:27.36 | ChibaPet | factor: I'm pretty sure you're limited to architectures supported by your processor, so, i386 and amd64 can often coexist. Don't think you can throw ARM in. |
| 02:28.10 | ChibaPet | factor: If you're looking to install Skype, follow the Wheezy instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 02:28.31 | themill | you can and then you can cross-compile; executing requires something like qemu-static and binfmt misc (and patience) |
| 02:28.46 | Pei | sup |
| 02:29.12 | ChibaPet | themill: oh, is cross-compiling something you can do with multiarch in the general case then? Or is there something special about arm here? |
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| 02:29.32 | themill | in general... except where the libraries or -dev packages aren't multi-arch'd yet |
| 02:29.40 | ChibaPet | themill: I haven't touched cross-compiling since I did NetBSD pkgsrc stuff, or perhaps it was m68k cross-compilation for PalmOS. |
| 02:29.46 | ChibaPet | Oh, neat. |
| 02:30.07 | themill | with qemu-static, you can even debootstrap a foreign-arch chroot and then chroot into it |
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| 02:30.35 | themill | (that's independent of multiarch, of course) |
| 02:30.56 | ChibaPet | Nifty, though. I didn't know that sort of thing was a feature. |
| 02:31.28 | ChibaPet | Alright, descending into Trek for the evening. o/ |
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| 02:31.59 | factor | nice it works |
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| 02:36.55 | taqutor | Hi. I just installed Debian, but did not get to choose a WM as you said I would? |
| 02:37.03 | taqutor | It automatically installed GNOME3. |
| 02:37.31 | dvs | taqutor: It just said "Desktop Environment" during the install. |
| 02:37.39 | taqutor | ? |
| 02:37.57 | themill | taqutor: you can choose that at the boot screen "Alternate Desktop Environments". Or you could not select any DE at install time and install one afterwards |
| 02:38.06 | taqutor | Okay, thanks. |
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| 02:39.56 | dvs | taqutor: what environment did you want? |
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| 02:40.08 | ac_slater | Hey guys, anyone know where I can find all of the possible return codes for `service` |
| 02:40.10 | ac_slater | ? |
| 02:40.22 | taqutor | how do i run a script from the debian terminal? ./ isnt working for me |
| 02:40.25 | taqutor | also, openbox |
| 02:40.31 | kaneda^ | ac_slater, maybe "man service" |
| 02:40.47 | kaneda^ | taqutor, ./scriptname or /full/path/to/script |
| 02:41.09 | kaneda^ | ensure that script is +x (executable) and is headed with the interpeter on the shebang line (#!/path/to/interpeter) |
| 02:41.16 | themill | ac_slater: init scripts and their exit codes are very poorly defined |
| 02:41.17 | phunyguy | hello, I have weird question. I am trying to install Wheezy on a Mac Air 4,2, I tried to load wifi firmware from a seperate USB stick, but that causes it to crash the system as soon as it attempts to load said firmware. Anyone have any ideas to get around this, perhaps doing something else? |
| 02:42.04 | ac_slater | themill: yea seems like it |
| 02:42.05 | ac_slater | thanks |
| 02:42.07 | kaneda^ | phunyguy, did you try a net install and letting debian figure out what hardware is on the system? |
| 02:42.18 | kaneda^ | ac_slater, this is true, it's up to the person writing the script to return something valid |
| 02:42.18 | dvs | phunguy: use the unofficial firmware installer? |
| 02:42.32 | phunyguy | kaneda^: yes, and it told me I was missing firmware, so I grabbed it and tried to load from USB |
| 02:42.44 | phunyguy | I do not like that word, dvs :( |
| 02:42.47 | phunyguy | (unofficial) |
| 02:43.12 | kaneda^ | ah, well after you install you can try wiring in and looking for the non-free firmware package |
| 02:43.16 | phunyguy | dvs... is there such a thing, and is it really that easy? |
| 02:43.24 | kaneda^ | this may include the mods you're looking for |
| 02:43.25 | phunyguy | kaneda^: no wired port on a mac air |
| 02:43.28 | dvs | phunguy: it's still made be the Debian project but it cant be official because it contains nonfree stuff. |
| 02:43.37 | phunyguy | ahh I see |
| 02:43.38 | kaneda^ | ...in that case i have no sympathy :) |
| 02:43.41 | phunyguy | I will hunt it down |
| 02:43.47 | kaneda^ | yuo screwed yourself out of an easy workaround by buying such an inferior product |
| 02:43.48 | phunyguy | ty |
| 02:43.54 | themill | ,bug 208010 |
| 02:43.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/208010 in debian-policy (open): «Require init.d scripts comply with LSB»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2003-08-31; last modified: 2010-08-13. |
| 02:43.56 | themill | ac_slater: ^^ |
| 02:44.15 | dvs | phunguy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/ |
| 02:44.17 | phunyguy | do we really need to have this discussion, kaneda^? I did not buy it, it belongs to my employer. |
| 02:44.46 | kaneda^ | phunyguy, fair enough, my employer spent some time convincing me to get a mac as well, but i left the os on it as macs are known to be finicky |
| 02:45.13 | phunyguy | for fear of ridicule, I will mention that I am a Ubuntu convert, and it currently has Ubuntu running 100% on it. |
| 02:45.24 | phunyguy | hopefully not for long. |
| 02:45.29 | phunyguy | thank you, dvs |
| 02:45.32 | kaneda^ | phunyguy, i have a VM |
| 02:45.43 | dvs | np |
| 02:45.59 | kaneda^ | i used to triple boot mac, windows, and ubuntu |
| 02:46.11 | kaneda^ | but now just a VM |
| 02:47.05 | phunyguy | cool story, bro |
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| 02:47.24 | taqutor | kaneda^: Thanks. |
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| 02:54.47 | ac_slater | themill: thanks! |
| 02:55.18 | taqutor | I seem to be having problems installing vmware tools on Debian 7 because of some weird kernel path link issue. |
| 02:56.17 | Pei | did you try open-vm-tools? |
| 02:56.31 | taqutor | Yeah that's what I'm using, I think |
| 02:56.46 | Pei | you get this from repo? |
| 02:56.48 | taqutor | 'Searching for a valid kernel path... The path "" is not a valid path to 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel headers. Would you like to change it?" |
| 02:56.51 | taqutor | '* |
| 02:57.03 | Pei | apt- get install open-vm-tools ? |
| 02:57.10 | Pei | apt- get too |
| 02:57.15 | Pei | er |
| 02:57.18 | Pei | yeah |
| 02:57.38 | Pei | minus space |
| 02:57.49 | taqutor | Didn't try it like that. |
| 02:57.53 | Pei | :) |
| 02:57.55 | taqutor | Will do. |
| 02:58.16 | taqutor | Do you think aborting the previous installer midway through using ctrl+c will somehow interfere/mess up the system? |
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| 02:58.27 | Pei | nah |
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| 02:59.35 | taqutor | ok |
| 02:59.46 | Pei | apt- cache search vmware |
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| 03:02.50 | taqutor | Cool, that allowed me to install vmware, since the open source version fixed the necessary paths. |
| 03:02.54 | taqutor | Awesome. Thanks. :) |
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| 03:04.12 | acidchild | anyone know how i can stop vpnc setting the remote network as the default gateway? |
| 03:04.45 | nevyn | I don't know that you can. |
| 03:05.05 | acidchild | it causes the vpn tunnel to calapse. |
| 03:05.13 | acidchild | because i am on wifi. |
| 03:05.44 | ChibaPet | acidchild: I'm not really here, but search for "split tunnelling" for vpnc - you'll find something like this: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-do-i-activate-split-tunneling-using-vpnc-and-trying-to-get-to-internet-707693/ |
| 03:05.44 | acidchild | like with openvpn the way of performing this is to route 0.0.0.0 to the remote network's gateway. |
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| 03:06.50 | acidchild | wow ChibaPet thank you. that is really complicated :/ |
| 03:07.50 | nevyn | acidchild: so what's your routing table after starting vpnc? |
| 03:08.36 | themill | (I guess I shouldn't add in that network-manager makes this really really easy to configure_ |
| 03:08.47 | nevyn | acidchild: it may be that the remote end is replacing the default gateway.. but not installing a route to the vpn concentrator |
| 03:08.55 | nevyn | themill: yes you should. ;) |
| 03:09.52 | Mk558 | If someone runs a ./configure with the wrong flags, is any harm done or do they just redo it? I figure as long as it's rectified before the make command, they should be in the clear. |
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| 03:12.00 | Guest68887 | im having trouble with default lvm encrypted install. anyone else have this problem |
| 03:12.03 | Guest68887 | ? |
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| 03:14.14 | taqutor | So I'm running Debian on a 1366x768 display, and the dialogue boxes won't fit on my screen, so I can't click "Ok". What do I do? |
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| 03:16.34 | taqutor | nvm, alt-clicking dialogue box worke |
| 03:16.36 | taqutor | worked* |
| 03:16.38 | Mk558 | Anybody? |
| 03:17.13 | whenasked | ted turner would comment 'you need a bigger screen' ;) |
| 03:17.14 | ac_slater | Mk558: it just generates a Makefile |
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| 03:17.31 | ac_slater | Mk558: that's all it does. I would do `make clean` then run the configure script again |
| 03:18.02 | ac_slater | Mk558: never forget that any script can potentially be unsafe if it came from somewhere unsafe... just cause it's called configure doesnt mean it does that. |
| 03:18.52 | ChibaPet | (back on quick break) Guest68887: works fine here - make sure you have an unencrypted /boot partition though, as decryption directly from first-stage GRUB doesn't exist yet in Debian's supplied version of GRUB. (and, away again) |
| 03:20.20 | Mk558 | Gotcha thanks :P |
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| 03:23.19 | Mk558 | ac_slater: what about make realclean? |
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| 03:23.43 | ac_slater | Mk558: I'm not totally sure, but if you never ran make, there isn't much to clean is there ;) |
| 03:23.48 | Mk558 | hah |
| 03:23.52 | whenasked | if no one tends to know what xwindow headers "do" in a given situation, where's the actual security there btw |
| 03:23.54 | Mk558 | http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_02/html/installation/build_unix.html |
| 03:23.58 | whenasked | a trust-relation for sure, eh |
| 03:24.12 | Mk558 | it says there that if you change your mind about how it's to be configured... |
| 03:24.26 | Mk558 | Maybe if you already OOPS'd it by making it. |
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| 03:25.43 | ac_slater | Mk558: one thing to remember is, with autotools (what you seem to be using - hinted by the configure script), is that everything is contained in that directory until you do `make install` |
| 03:25.59 | ac_slater | so a TRUE clean would be to delete that directory and start over. |
| 03:26.09 | Mk558 | ah |
| 03:26.25 | ac_slater | Mk558: are you sure you need to be building something from source? |
| 03:26.37 | Mk558 | so you'd have to redo the tar -zvxf command? |
| 03:26.43 | Mk558 | yes. Netatalk. |
| 03:26.57 | ac_slater | Mk558: are you using Debian? |
| 03:27.05 | Mk558 | I caught wind of the berkeley db instructions when I was trying to get it working on a old distro of linux (9.10) |
| 03:27.21 | Mk558 | absolute failure. but now I'm doing it on squeeze |
| 03:27.43 | ac_slater | Mk558: I see that `netatalk` is a package for wheezy (which is now the current release) |
| 03:27.46 | themill | (if you're starting new projects, probably better to base them on wheezy than squeeze) |
| 03:27.52 | Mk558 | yeah |
| 03:27.59 | Mk558 | what's the version in the wheezy? |
| 03:28.03 | ac_slater | 7 |
| 03:28.11 | Mk558 | netatalk version |
| 03:28.11 | ChibaPet | Mk558: You can use a hand-backported Wheezy package if you must do it on Squeeze. This will be sufficient to support native Time Machine back-ups. |
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| 03:28.20 | Mk558 | Probably |
| 03:28.21 | ChibaPet | ...even for Lion. |
| 03:28.27 | ChibaPet | Not probably. I did it recently. |
| 03:28.34 | Mk558 | I don't use Time Machine though. This is for networking with old Macs. |
| 03:28.36 | Mk558 | Old. |
| 03:28.44 | Mk558 | AFP over AppleTalk |
| 03:28.50 | ChibaPet | Ah, the default Squeeze package will work fine for you then. |
| 03:28.51 | ac_slater | Mk558: 2.2.2 |
| 03:28.58 | themill | ,v netatalk |
| 03:28.59 | ac_slater | and 2.2.1 in squeeze |
| 03:28.59 | judd | Package: netatalk on i386 -- squeeze: 2.1.2-2; jessie: 2.2.2-1; sid: 2.2.2-1; wheezy: 2.2.2-1 |
| 03:29.05 | ac_slater | themill: ah nice |
| 03:29.09 | Mk558 | I need 2.1.6 |
| 03:29.52 | Mk558 | Actually I have to test out two versions, 2.2.4 and 2.1.6 to see which one will work, hopefully both. |
| 03:30.09 | ac_slater | Mk558: Yea so I'd avoid building via source if it's in the repos |
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| 03:30.17 | Mk558 | I'll run both in a VM. I just duplicated the VM just before I ./configure'd it. |
| 03:30.42 | Mk558 | Now if I could only have got VB to play nice and mount the stupid shared folder in debian... |
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| 03:31.28 | ac_slater | Mk558: works for me ;) |
| 03:31.44 | Mk558 | What I'd *really* like is a micro linux that has a full GUI kinda like puppyLinux but with debian base so I can put netatalk on it and not have to have a 5GB .vdi sitting around in my archives. |
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| 03:31.55 | ac_slater | Mk558: use a chroot |
| 03:31.57 | Mk558 | Something that is like 150MB. |
| 03:32.32 | ac_slater | Mk558: Look into debootstrap. Sets up a debian instance in a director. You might need `lxc` for each instance to have seperated networking |
| 03:32.36 | ac_slater | but it can be done |
| 03:32.41 | Mk558 | this sounds complicated. |
| 03:32.48 | ac_slater | Mk558: kinda. |
| 03:33.02 | Mk558 | I'm not linux literate. Just barely enough to get the basics done. Recompile a kernel? not happening :P |
| 03:33.08 | ac_slater | Mk558: setting up debootstrap is a few commands, but it's about 800mb |
| 03:33.35 | Mk558 | I got capacity shock when I found out debian wanted to download another couple hundred MB of *stuff* |
| 03:33.39 | ChibaPet | ac_slater: lxc is broken in Wheezy |
| 03:33.43 | Mk558 | Really? |
| 03:33.44 | ac_slater | ChibaPet: good to know! |
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| 03:33.54 | Mk558 | wowzer what about lxde? |
| 03:33.54 | ac_slater | ChibaPet: sad to know actually... |
| 03:34.10 | ac_slater | lxde is a desktop environment, not even in the same realm as `lxc` |
| 03:34.24 | Mk558 | sorry to broadcast my noobishness |
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| 03:34.50 | ac_slater | `lxc` is Linux Containers ... basically exactly what you wanted - a seperated linux install in a directory that acts like a VM (and is rather tiny) |
| 03:35.08 | ChibaPet | ac_slater: bugs.debian.org/680469 if you're interested - there are workarounds. The basic functionality is there, but the tools will not build a usable system. |
| 03:35.11 | Mk558 | ah never heard of it before |
| 03:35.30 | ac_slater | ChibaPet: Thanks bud, I might be able to submit some patches. |
| 03:36.25 | Mk558 | yeah I'd really like to have a nice compact vm install or something that doesn't take up an unholy amount of space. run in a vm probably |
| 03:36.41 | Mk558 | that's why I said puppylinux or something like that. featherlinux...dunno |
| 03:37.18 | Mk558 | Mainly I like GNOME 2 a lot, like Ubuntu 9.10, but that's expired beyond usefullness |
| 03:37.29 | ac_slater | Mk558: blah, stay with the champion distros... the others and distro-distros, too many layers. |
| 03:37.33 | Mk558 | unless there's some repository back-hack that I can use to bring it back to life |
| 03:37.54 | Mk558 | true, but debian 6 was a 1.1GB DVD hah |
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| 03:38.07 | ac_slater | Mk558: in Ubuntu (the newer ones), install `gnome-seession-fallback`... gives you a gnome2 interface |
| 03:38.14 | Mk558 | ubuntu runs fine on 650MB CD. Although I will hate GNOME 3 and Unity until the end of time. |
| 03:38.26 | ac_slater | Mk558: the debian net installer is ~100mb and is just the installer on CD. Pulls everything over the net |
| 03:38.37 | Mk558 | but then it still takes up 3GB on disk :P |
| 03:38.57 | Mk558 | plus I have 1.3Mbps internet =( |
| 03:39.17 | ac_slater | Mk558: true, ;). Seriously, look into debootstrap. Creates a full debian install in a directory. Might have a little issues with TRUE network simulations though. |
| 03:39.20 | Mk558 | if I was on 10, or 20, then yeah. but you still have to download it anyways XD |
| 03:39.34 | ac_slater | Mk558: yea man, I feel your pain, mine isnt much better. |
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| 03:39.56 | Mk558 | I'll have to figure something out. It's something I'd like. |
| 03:40.01 | Mk558 | because the VM install is portable. |
| 03:40.25 | Mk558 | I don't know about $ dd'ing the VM install on to a real computer and it working though... |
| 03:40.49 | themill | Mk558: a debian install needs nothing like 3GB of disk space. My wheezy images are 330MB. |
| 03:41.14 | Mk558 | I'll have to look at the ubuntu stuff. I kinda like the lightweight installs because they have all kinds of functionality like ftp clients and yadaydayayah but don't take up masses of space. |
| 03:41.26 | themill | (and that's with no effort on my part to actually make them smaller) |
| 03:41.31 | Mk558 | but I'm not linux literate and I can't trim stuff like that down. :P |
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| 03:41.44 | Mk558 | but I think we may have just found the expert for the job :P |
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| 03:42.10 | Mk558 | now I loved ubuntu 9.10, so if you could pull that one out of the grave, I might have to pay you! |
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| 03:42.23 | Mk558 | because it'll be a registered art form in 67 countries XD |
| 03:42.43 | Guest68887 | ubuntu is slow i wont use it anymore |
| 03:43.27 | ac_slater | haha, to be honest, most of us would rather die that attempt to mess with ubuntu 9.10 and trying to get modern packages on it. There are better things out there - ie: Wheezy |
| 03:43.58 | Mk558 | I'll spend some time and think about it and figure stuff out. |
| 03:44.01 | Guest68887 | ubuntu is trash it runs so slow |
| 03:44.05 | Mk558 | hah |
| 03:44.09 | Mk558 | probably |
| 03:44.27 | Mk558 | I told you my opinion about Unity. UUGH where...let's not go there. |
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| 03:44.45 | Mk558 | Actually I could just put the human-theme on debian gnome 2 and it'd look exactly the same. |
| 03:44.49 | Guest68887 | unity crashed on me like every day |
| 03:45.00 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 03:45.00 | ac_slater | Mk558: seriously, install `gnome-session-fallback` ... you get a nice gnome2 style interface |
| 03:45.00 | Mk558 | sudo apt-get some things here an dthere and bam. |
| 03:45.17 | ac_slater | Mk558: gotta go, good luck Mk558 |
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| 03:46.11 | Mk558 | k |
| 03:46.34 | Guest68887 | ubuntu reminds me of windows |
| 03:46.51 | Mk558 | hahaaaaaa |
| 03:47.25 | Mk558 | yeah but seriously I'll have to figure something out since a portable vm netatalk thingaling would be neat to have. |
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| 04:04.58 | relipse | does this look ok for a bug tracking website: http://jim.clearbugs.com/members/?theme=redmond (login as test_test_test admin testtest) |
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| 04:16.40 | jelly-home | mischief: install sysfsutils and put them in /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 04:18.06 | biffhero | I have users affected by php5-json and the new php5-cli upgrade. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/php-json_0~git~1+c05ebf+dfsg-2.html#binary-php5-json-contents I would be happy to pull php5-json out of new, or find an older php5-cli, but I can't find the incoming ftp server anymore (years since I have done so). |
| 04:19.53 | jelly-home | biffhero: it's not on http://incoming.debian.org anyway -- new package, different rules |
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| 04:20.48 | zeack | h |
| 04:21.19 | biffhero | jelly, thanks. yeah, new package, bummer. |
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| 04:21.56 | biffhero | I guess I need to find an old php5-cli. Are those archived anywherE? |
| 04:22.02 | jelly-home | !snapshot |
| 04:22.02 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 04:22.07 | themill | biffhero: the page you linked to happens to provide a link to the source package. (But if these sorts of things are problems, why are you using sid?) |
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| 04:24.26 | biffhero | themill: I'll look again for the source, I guess I missed it. I should be able to build that. They are problems, but nothing that I can't get around. The problems right now being caused by this is owncloud and horde, both things I brought in from source. I can hand my kids an email client instead of horde, :-) |
| 04:27.24 | jelly-home | wonders why he's forbidden from looking at http://wiki.debian.org/NewQueue |
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| 04:27.50 | jelly-home | uses a proxy |
| 04:28.00 | Vicissitude | that could be why |
| 04:29.02 | jelly-home | Vicissitude: I have to use a proxy to access it, a direct connection results in something like a 403 |
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| 04:29.15 | jelly-home | proxy works |
| 04:29.23 | Vicissitude | strange. it came right up for me |
| 04:29.36 | johnfg | I'm a little closer to getting squeeze desktop gnome back. |
| 04:30.20 | johnfg | However, apt is still not quite right. How can I make apt only use the dvd? I need to install bind9, but apt-get won't run right. |
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| 04:31.05 | SpArTaKo | http://pastebin.com/4EFACiWk |
| 04:31.24 | Vicissitude | johnfg, is the dvd listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:32.08 | johnfg | Yeah, I added it with apt-cdrom add, and I tried commenting out the rest, but the network's messed up. |
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| 04:32.44 | johnfg | And it wouldn't connect to my other sources. |
| 04:32.53 | Vicissitude | ouch |
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| 04:34.21 | mischief | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 05:13.21 | Spare | Hi there all. I'm doing a net install with the latest stable, and I am formatting my 500gb hdd using whatever utility the usb stick with the iso has on it. |
| 05:13.31 | Spare | However, it's taking an extremely long amount of time |
| 05:13.34 | Spare | Is this abnormal? |
| 05:13.57 | aarcane | Unless you asked it to do a check as well as format, No, this is not normal. |
| 05:14.18 | Spare | aarcane: What would you suggest I do? It's about 1/20th in and it's been an ohour |
| 05:14.37 | aarcane | is there a progress bar, or is it displaying numbers or otherwise showing progress that you can see? |
| 05:14.46 | Spare | Progress bar |
| 05:14.47 | aarcane | If so, let it go. You probably asked for a badblocks scan or similar. |
| 05:15.11 | Spare | I didn't specify anything, but maybe it was already done |
| 05:15.12 | aarcane | Come back to it in the morning, if it hasn't moved, check alt+F4, and see what's gone wrong. |
| 05:15.46 | Spare | Also, I tried booting a live debian kde, and as it was booting I kept getting an invalid free which caused a hang when xorg was starting |
| 05:15.50 | Spare | Nothing I could do to stop it |
| 05:15.53 | Spare | Any ideas? |
| 05:16.34 | aarcane | safe graphics? |
| 05:16.56 | Spare | I mean it's probably bad that a free is being called when it shouldn't be, but I'm unsure how to work around it (I guess I wont need to if this install works) |
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| 05:18.47 | Spare_ | sorry, net dropped out |
| 05:19.11 | aarcane | so ghost your old nick, and tell me whether you've tried booting into safe graphics mode or not |
| 05:20.08 | Spare_ | Hmm, I'm tempted to just quit the process now and try something else, could that cause any adverse affects to the ntfs partition? |
| 05:20.35 | aarcane | You didn't attempt to resize the NTFS partition, did you? |
| 05:20.35 | Spare_ | I'm not worried about my old debian partition |
| 05:20.42 | Spare_ | No I did not |
| 05:20.46 | aarcane | if so, it could be destroyed. If you haven't touched it at all, it'll be fine. |
| 05:20.51 | aarcane | but be absolutely sure you didn't touch it. |
| 05:20.55 | Spare_ | Alright, I am sure |
| 05:21.04 | aarcane | don't complain if you're mistaken. |
| 05:21.15 | Spare_ | Unetbootin has been unfriendly with this install too, the usbs it has created will not work |
| 05:21.16 | aarcane | resizing or moving NTFS would explain the terribly slow progress. |
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| 05:21.23 | Spare_ | aarcane: I didn't touch it |
| 05:21.28 | aarcane | okay. |
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| 05:21.51 | aarcane | you have to have your USBs formatted with FAT32 and an MBR partition table, and then unetbootin works fine. |
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| 05:22.09 | Spare | How can I get the MBR table? That must be the issue |
| 05:22.42 | aarcane | I don't remember, but google knows. |
| 05:22.49 | aarcane | Sadly, I must away to bed. Good luck! |
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| 05:23.10 | Spare | aarcane: thanks |
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| 05:23.43 | civillian | hi all. I'm trying to setup apache2's mod_proxy to serve http://othersite.com via http://mysite.com/other. |
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| 05:24.12 | civillian | The issue I'm seeing is othersite.com has references to /image1.jpg which is not being translated to /other/image1.jpg |
| 05:24.50 | civillian | What am I missing? Just using ProxyPass /other http://othersite.com |
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| 05:33.03 | reavengrey | I just wasted approximately 3 seconds of your time |
| 05:33.14 | reavengrey | huehuehue |
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| 05:46.20 | hamid | Hi everyone, valgrind complains about libc6-dbg and says it's not installed in Wheezy. Acutally both packges, x64 and i386 are installed. Does anyone have any similar problem with valgrind? ( Mentioninng that I compiled my program with -g option ). |
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| 05:59.15 | elkingrey | Does anybody know how to make it so that iceweasel goes to system tray when I close it? |
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| 06:01.43 | Vicissitude | oh, that would be nice |
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| 06:19.21 | klys | it's Monday. |
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| 06:25.56 | WormFood | when I do a "dpkg --get-selections" to print the list of installed packages, I noticed that some say "deinstall"...what exactly does that mean? |
| 06:26.58 | jargon | i hate the word viral |
| 06:27.04 | jargon | buzzwords |
| 06:27.07 | jargon | smh |
| 06:27.17 | jargon | oh |
| 06:27.22 | jargon | wrong channel. sorry |
| 06:28.30 | klys | it means the status file, e.g. the last time you ran dselect, has those packages marked for deinstallation next time you select `install.' |
| 06:28.52 | themill | WormFood: it means that the desired action for that package is "deinstall". These are probably packages that haven't been purged yet. |
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| 06:29.18 | WormFood | that was my first thought too, but the man page led me to believe that isn't the case. |
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| 06:29.50 | themill | WormFood: are the same packages listed in "aptitude search ~c"? |
| 06:30.21 | WormFood | the man page says: "Without a pattern, non-installed packages (i.e. those which have been previously purged) will not be shown." |
| 06:30.26 | WormFood | will check |
| 06:31.01 | themill | .o0( isn't that exactly what I said? ) |
| 06:31.39 | WormFood | themill, they appear to be the same list of packages |
| 06:31.51 | themill | !win me |
| 06:31.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 06:32.14 | WormFood | but aptitude does not show a distinction between the ones that dpkg shows as "deinstall" |
| 06:32.29 | themill | what do you mean? |
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| 06:34.19 | WormFood | actually, I think you're right. Those are modules that are uninstalled, but not purged (which was the first thing I thought too, but I confused myself by mis-reading the man page) |
| 06:35.08 | themill | Note that get-selections/set-selections is about the *desired* state not the *actual* state; look at the Status field of "dpkg -s packagename" to see desired and current states. dpkg(1) shows these under "PACKAGE STATES" and "PACKAGE SELECTION STATES". |
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| 06:35.38 | themill | the aptitude output showing those packages as "c" is the current state -- "config-files" i.e. removed but not purged. |
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| 06:38.42 | WormFood | thanks themill, that makes sense. |
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| 06:51.31 | botondbalazs | hi. i have a debian fps. whenever I install something or do an apt-get upgrade, i get the following error: "dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" should I worry about it (looks like it isn't a fatal error)? where should I start looking for the cause? full console output here: http://pastebin.com/JLcQ98Ri - thanks! |
| 06:51.54 | botondbalazs | s/fps/vps |
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| 06:52.22 | cm13g09 | botondbalazs: who is your VPS with? |
| 06:52.33 | jargon | i was about to ask what's an fps, if it's not First Person Shooter? |
| 06:52.43 | botondbalazs | inceptionhosting |
| 06:52.44 | cm13g09 | and do you know how their setup interacts with kernels? |
| 06:52.57 | botondbalazs | no, i don't |
| 06:53.02 | cm13g09 | I'm come across VPS providers who froce boot their own kernels |
| 06:53.10 | cm13g09 | leaving you with no GRUB or kernel.... |
| 06:53.14 | jargon | botondbalazs: do they have an irc channel? |
| 06:53.43 | cm13g09 | Say's it's XEN + SolusVM |
| 06:54.13 | cm13g09 | This sounds like a recipe for no kernel management |
| 06:54.19 | botondbalazs | jargon: should i contact them? |
| 06:54.36 | jargon | botondbalazs: yes |
| 06:54.41 | cm13g09 | botondbalazs: My advice would be, contact them and find out why your kernel postinst doesn't work |
| 06:55.10 | jargon | before you break something that would turn this into one of those mondays for you |
| 06:55.11 | themill | botondbalazs: what's the current outptu of "uname -a" |
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| 06:56.04 | botondbalazs | themill: Linux polaris 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:56.47 | themill | so you've not managed to upgrade your kernel from squeeze to wheezy at all then |
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| 06:57.15 | botondbalazs | yes, it seems so |
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| 06:57.46 | botondbalazs | i'll contact them right now |
| 06:57.48 | botondbalazs | thanks guys |
| 06:58.39 | themill | botondbalazs: oh, hang on... you're still running squeeze not wheezy anyway. Sorry. Been staring at things for too long, I think |
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| 06:59.30 | rmx77 | hello all |
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| 07:03.03 | klys | note: some (3.2?) and 3.4 kernels have been reported to lock up the keyboard when starting X. fixed in 3.6 though |
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| 07:04.53 | rmx77 | at least something is fixed |
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| 07:08.01 | woshty | I want to automatically mount a luks encrypted partition from fstab after the encrypted root partition is brought up. I only want to enter the password for the root partition, the other one should be stored somewhere. I read about crypttab but am unsure if all stuff in there just gets put in initramfs. |
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| 07:08.38 | eoned_ | hii |
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| 07:08.48 | eoned_ | i need some help |
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| 07:11.59 | petn-randall | eoned_: Go ahead, ask your question, if somebody knows the answer they'll respond. |
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| 07:13.00 | rmx77 | thats what we are all here for to help out as best we can |
| 07:13.18 | rmx77 | i myself am having issues but i am seeming not to get anywhere |
| 07:14.01 | rmx77 | i know my linux distro may not belong here but it does use debian reops and such |
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| 07:14.44 | rmx77 | i seem to have an issue with flash where some browsers flash just crashes and some browsers flash wont load |
| 07:17.57 | eoned_ | petn-randall, hii, how i can record stream in cvlc? |
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| 07:20.38 | klys | rmx77 you can't come out of hibernation to an altered filesystem, and browsing does modify your filesystem. |
| 07:20.40 | maroloccio | Hi, is this the right channel for Debian "in general" or are there many? (e.g. package maintainers, developers, end-user support, etc.). If there are many, where can I find out which is which? |
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| 07:21.42 | klys | usually. there are alternate #debian channels for alternate purposes or languages. |
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| 07:22.33 | maroloccio | klys: I thought so, having frequented a similar assortment of channels for other distros.. :) Where would I find the "Debian" list? I am just trying to ask the right question in the right channel.. |
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| 07:23.45 | klys | !topic |
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| 07:23.49 | woshty | eoned_: cvlc? |
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| 07:26.12 | b4283 | hi there |
| 07:26.30 | themill | maroloccio: just ask your question. If it's too specialised for here, someone can point you elsewhere. |
| 07:26.31 | maroloccio | klys: Thank you. I found what I needed in the !topic: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC (sorry, I should have looked earlier, but my client did not immediately display that header..) |
| 07:27.21 | b4283 | i discovered that emacs is only 24.1 on snapshot.debian.org, is there a repo that contains 24.3 ? |
| 07:28.03 | boudiccas | ,v emacs |
| 07:28.04 | judd | Package: emacs on i386 -- sid: 23.2+1-7; squeeze: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; jessie: 45.0; sid: 45.0; wheezy: 45.0 |
| 07:28.17 | klys | b4283: upstream should have their sources listed at gnu.org |
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| 07:30.04 | maroloccio | I have a question on "locate", it "seems" to be indexing my entire host hard-drive when Debian is a VirtualBox VM guest which I am allowing to access my local filesystem through /etc/fstab mapping and the so-called "Shared Folders" functionality. How can I disable "locate" looking under certain paths when building its index? (note: this might not be the issue, but htop shows locate being very active..) |
| 07:30.05 | themill | ,v emacs24 |
| 07:30.06 | judd | Package: emacs24 on i386 -- sid: 24.3+1-1 |
| 07:30.31 | themill | maroloccio: /etc/updatedb.conf |
| 07:31.04 | b4283 | wow, searching by "emacs" and "emacs24" gives different results |
| 07:31.20 | anddam | while installing owncloud for their apt repository the configuration broke |
| 07:31.43 | maroloccio | themill: Thank you, I will study this.. (when my CPU is back to < 90% util.) |
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| 07:31.53 | b4283 | themill: thanks for the hind |
| 07:31.56 | b4283 | *hint |
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| 07:32.05 | anddam | how do I see list of pending packages? if I remove owncloud will packages installed as its dependencies be removed as well even if owncloud isn't registered as correctly installed? |
| 07:32.16 | woshty | So putting a luks keyfile in /root is "safe"? It does not get copied to the initramfs? |
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| 07:33.30 | klys | woshty: mount | grep init |
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| 07:34.48 | klys | I think after you pivot_root the system umounts the initrd. |
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| 07:37.56 | anddam | on a more general topic is this the correct way to install a package without starting its service: "RUNLEVEL=1 aptitude install owncloud"? |
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| 07:39.52 | themill | anddam: there are many ways. If the package uses /etc/default/foo then you can create that file prior to installation with the relevant runes to prevent the init script from starting |
| 07:39.56 | klys | doesn't look right. just install, /etc/init.d/<service> stop; rm /etc/rc2.d/S??<service> |
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| 07:40.39 | themill | klys: that doesn't help you if you need to prevent that first start up or if that first start-up fails for some reason |
| 07:40.47 | klys | I know |
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| 07:41.10 | themill | anddam: more generally, you can use policy-rc.d -- /msg dpkg policy-rc.d |
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| 07:41.34 | anddam | themill: sounds a better solution, in my case the server is failing, in fact |
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| 07:41.51 | anddam | I'm not sure how that leaves the install status of the package |
| 07:42.18 | themill | anddam: well if the thing is already unpacked, then there's probably an /etc/default/foo already there that you can fiddle with |
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| 07:42.51 | anddam | is invoke-rc.d still the default way to call init scripts? I read somewhere that it changed in "service" but I may be wrong |
| 07:43.23 | themill | anddam: "service" is recommended for the user, "invoke-rc.d" is mandated for use in the maintainer scripts. |
| 07:44.04 | anddam | why this distinction? |
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| 07:44.42 | klys | first look: compatibility is a good argument |
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| 07:45.20 | themill | anddam: not sure. I'm still in the habit of typing invo<tab> myself... |
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| 07:45.45 | anddam | I too, the only annoying part is the dash |
| 07:46.11 | anddam | is there an user-recommended command for update-rc.d oto? |
| 07:46.14 | anddam | s/oto/too/ |
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| 07:59.17 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 07:59.41 | rmx77 | hello there |
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| 08:00.54 | lancelot_of | last time mumpitzel said to me that WINE is in i386 and AMD debian but when i installed it apt found only a i386 version and installed from multiarch settings. How to install the 64bit version of wine? |
| 08:01.12 | lancelot_of | oh, sorry, debian wheezy running |
| 08:01.31 | jargon | "The translation failed because of a server error". Has translation *ever* worked for anyone in chromium???? |
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| 08:03.17 | talin | hello. what's up with /bin/sh pointing at some shell called "dash"? a lot of people are struggling making these seemingly sh-compatible scripts work |
| 08:03.23 | talin | isn't this a very bad idea? |
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| 08:04.48 | well_laid_lawn | I always shebang /bin/bash |
| 08:04.51 | klys | I would agree. use bash |
| 08:05.09 | talin | alright |
| 08:05.12 | themill | talin: no, it's a very good idea to have sh->dash. If you use the features of bash in your shell script, you should have /bin/bash. If you don't use the features of bash, then use /bin/sh and enjoy |
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| 08:05.28 | talin | i was trying to make a nagios plugin work on freebsd |
| 08:05.30 | themill | Any shell script that doesn't work with sh->dash is buggy and needs fixing |
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| 08:05.42 | talin | shebang was /bin/sh |
| 08:05.52 | talin | took me a while to figure out that it was debian-specific |
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| 08:06.32 | talin | great way of creating a lot of confusion |
| 08:06.34 | themill | talin: the simplest way to fix that bug is to change the shebang. It may also be fairly easy to make it a more portable shell script in which case you also benefit from a large increase in execution speed |
| 08:06.51 | themill | talin: sh->dash is hardly debian specific and isn't really new either |
| 08:07.11 | talin | themill: well, /bin/sh indicates to me that it ought to be compatible with sh |
| 08:07.18 | themill | talin: it is. Your script is not. |
| 08:07.39 | talin | would it work on a debian box? |
| 08:07.58 | talin | functions were defined with the "function" keyword, so i had to remove all of those, among other things |
| 08:08.16 | themill | talin: If your script doesn't work with debian's /bin/sh then the script is not sh-compatible. It is using features of some other shell like bash and it should use /bin/bash in the shebang to reflect that. |
| 08:08.24 | themill | talin: yes, "function" is a bash extension that is not in posix sh. |
| 08:08.33 | themill | !bashism |
| 08:08.33 | dpkg | Many people think all that is in bash is in sh and put #!/bin/sh to start their script with bash extensions instead of #!/bin/bash. From squeeze onwards, /bin/sh won't be bash but <dash>. See "checkbashisms" in the <devscripts> package -- you will need to either fix your scripts to only use real "sh" functionality (and leave them as #!/bin/sh) or change the first line to read #!/bin/bash. |
| 08:08.56 | talin | themill: so this woudl work on debian? |
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| 08:09.12 | talin | themill: /bin/sh and functions defined with the "function" keyword? |
| 08:09.14 | themill | talin: fix your bugs and it will work everywhere |
| 08:10.05 | talin | it's not my script. it seems that if your shebang is /bin/sh on debian, it allows non-sh stuff |
| 08:10.13 | themill | talin: no. sh is not required to support "function" and it does not. bash supports "function" so if you want "function", use bash. (but you don't need "function" anyway.. sh already had a way of defining functions) |
| 08:10.36 | talin | themill: ah, so it wouldn't work on debian either. then it's fine |
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| 08:11.00 | themill | talin: sounds like the easiest way to fix that script is to make the shebang /bin/bash as it's a bash-script not a sh-script. |
| 08:11.25 | talin | themill: yeah. it works now, i was just wondering if debian encouraged this sort of confusing behavior |
| 08:11.41 | talin | it seems not. phew |
| 08:12.08 | themill | talin: debian encourages you to use the right shebang. You don't use a perl shebang and hope it executes python code; you don't use a sh shebang and hope it executes bash code. |
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| 08:12.37 | themill | (the rest of the unix world learnt about sh compatibility a very long time ago... linux had to relearn all those things as everyone just assumed everything was bash) |
| 08:12.55 | talin | what does dash provide that sh doesn't? |
| 08:13.05 | talin | themill: ah, i see |
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| 08:13.15 | themill | talin: speed, mostly. |
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| 08:13.44 | themill | (smaller memory footprint, much much faster start-up and faster execution) |
| 08:14.02 | talin | hmm, nice |
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| 08:14.34 | themill | the start-up time is particularly important at boot time where 10⁵ shell scripts get run |
| 08:14.45 | ronny | hi |
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| 08:14.58 | talin | themill: yeah, i noticed that debian boots insanely fast |
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| 08:15.13 | ronny | how do i configure what services to start on the new init stuff? |
| 08:15.25 | themill | ronny: "new init stuff"? |
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| 08:15.57 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for me ? |
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| 08:16.07 | ronny | themill: as far as i can tell the sysv stuff is gone since a while i have no real idea about whats used now |
| 08:16.42 | themill | lancelot_of: there is no amd64 version of wine |
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| 08:16.51 | themill | ronny: sure you're using debian? |
| 08:16.54 | lancelot_of | themill, ok thank you |
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| 08:17.29 | ronny | themill: hmm, yes, i but i think im subject to some grave misscomprehensions |
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| 08:18.11 | themill | ronny: unless you've done a lot of work on your system, Debian is still using the old style sysvinit not upstart that you'll find in ubuntu or systemd that you'll find in fedora |
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| 08:19.14 | ronny | themill: it seems i have a systemd running |
| 08:20.05 | histo | ronny: lsb_release -a |
| 08:21.27 | ronny | histo: http://www.bpaste.net/show/Lsr6RHRQ63ob52vABzsA/ |
| 08:21.57 | ronny | hmm |
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| 08:22.20 | ronny | so how do i configure what services systemd will start or not ^^ |
| 08:22.31 | ronny | google seems rather sparse on it |
| 08:22.48 | ronny | last time i tried to figure it, it didnt directly support it |
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| 08:23.18 | histo | ronny: http://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
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| 08:26.59 | ronny | thx |
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| 08:29.37 | nyuszika7h | ronny: another zsh user? :) |
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| 08:31.12 | ronny | nyuszika7h: yeah, im happier with it than bash, but not too happy either |
| 08:31.43 | ronny | i'd like something like powershell, but that needs more tools around it to turn usefull |
| 08:31.59 | ronny | (the thing i want is structured streams instead of text streams) |
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| 08:36.11 | klys | kasreyn: that should be in the next step as "unpack device driver modules" |
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| 08:39.38 | jiohdi | besides cairo-dock docky and tint, is there any other dock in the debian repos? |
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| 08:46.44 | woshty | pm-hibernate seems to work out of the box even with nvidia drivers, but my sound is broken after resume. any ideas? |
| 08:47.08 | jiohdi | what about suspend? |
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| 08:48.33 | woshty | jiohdi: Did not try that. I dont use that. Should I try? |
| 08:48.45 | jiohdi | I am having no problems with suspend |
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| 08:59.39 | cheri | hi can anyone tell me if there are too many segfault errors for a particular application then will it like cause problem to other processes on the system? |
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| 09:01.17 | Koma | cheri every process can segfault and if another process depends on that process can segfault too |
| 09:01.24 | Koma | to see the process depends install htop |
| 09:01.35 | Koma | and press F5 to see the process tree |
| 09:01.54 | Koma | apt-get install -y htop && htop |
| 09:02.04 | cheri | ok Koma |
| 09:02.28 | jiohdi | what does the && htop add to the install? |
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| 09:03.49 | Koma | jiohdi && execute a command of the previous one exit with 0 |
| 09:04.06 | Koma | so if the install goes on without error opens htop |
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| 09:04.08 | Koma | ^_^ |
| 09:04.16 | jiohdi | ah, ok |
| 09:04.17 | cheri | what I am trying to understand is if a process segfaults will this have any effect on the system I mean like increase in load or blocking of other processes execution ... |
| 09:04.34 | jiohdi | it could cause somethings to freeze up |
| 09:04.37 | Koma | cheri depends. on his depends... |
| 09:05.01 | Koma | for example if httpd calls php in cgi the crash of httpd can determine php segfaults |
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| 09:06.15 | Koma | but if you use a stand alone program if has not memory leak or buffer overrun it should not compromise anything |
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| 09:06.54 | cheri | sar statistics are not giving me enough info to find what caused the load average go high on my unit I mean the disk and no. of process seems to be very normal when the load average is high |
| 09:06.56 | moof2 | depends on what process it is and whether other processes depend on it |
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| 09:07.08 | cheri | I am not sure what to look at |
| 09:07.33 | cheri | I don't think there are any other depending processes on it |
| 09:07.35 | Koma | cheri try to explain it clearly add some information... |
| 09:07.50 | moof2 | do you know which process is segraulting? |
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| 09:08.12 | cheri | ok few services failed and I checked the logs |
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| 09:08.50 | cheri | but the service didn't log any information there and I checked the sar report for that time and I see huge load on the system |
| 09:09.03 | cheri | the disk utilization looks to be ok |
| 09:09.25 | cheri | I am not able to figure out what could be the cause. memory is also not the cause |
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| 09:09.49 | moof2 | a high load usually means lots of processes are running |
| 09:10.22 | Koma | cheri post the sar -A in pastebin |
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| 09:11.11 | zub | Hi. I'm running testing and I found a bug in xfce4-session. When I use reportbug, it tells me "Your version (4.8.3-3) of xfce4-session appears to be out of date. The following newer release(s) are available in the Debian archive: unstable: 4.10.1-1". I don't really want to install the package from unstable. Does it mean nobody cares about the bug from testin now? Or should I report it anyway? |
| 09:11.40 | cheri | I am new here Koma |
| 09:11.46 | cheri | can you tell me what is pastebin |
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| 09:12.07 | Koma | google: pastebin |
| 09:12.14 | petn-randall | cheri: http://paste.debian.net <== use that to paste the output of "sar -A" |
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| 09:12.42 | cheri | ok |
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| 09:13.00 | moof2 | you can also install nopaste if you want |
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| 09:13.27 | moof2 | it'll pastebin anything you pipe to it |
| 09:13.27 | Trewas | zub: nobody cares about bugs in the testing version, if there already is a newer one in unstable because that package will never be part of a release... quite reasonable for that kind of case with a major version upgrade |
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| 09:13.45 | zub | Trewas: ok |
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| 09:14.29 | petn-randall | Trewas: I disagree. zub should report the bug and track it to see if it disappear when xfce 4.10 migrates to testing. |
| 09:15.08 | petn-randall | zub: I'd go and report the bug anyway, you can close it if the problem goes away with newer versions of xfce. |
| 09:15.15 | zub | I might upgrade to unstable, but I'm afraid of transitive dependencies... |
| 09:15.25 | zub | I don't want to upgrade half of my system to unsable |
| 09:15.32 | petn-randall | zub: I wouldn't. Not worth the head ache. |
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| 09:15.57 | moof2 | unstable isn't upgrading tho... |
| 09:16.14 | zub | petn-randall: thanks for 2nd opinion |
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| 09:17.35 | Trewas | petn-randall: or just test and report if it still exists in 4.10 when it gets to testing |
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| 09:18.29 | zub | Trewas: can I know when does that happen? |
| 09:18.53 | moof2 | if you do, you know more than we do |
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| 09:20.26 | Trewas | zub: 10 days minimum (usually), but the migration may be slower if something blocks, sometimes a lot slower |
| 09:20.56 | moof2 | so they're working on that migration now? |
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| 09:21.39 | Trewas | it's mostly automagic, and by definition they are working on it if the newer xfce is already in unstable |
| 09:22.03 | moof2 | and, it is? |
| 09:22.36 | petn-randall | zub: check out http://packages.debian.org |
| 09:23.02 | petn-randall | zub there you can look up the package, and then on the right side is a link "Developer Information". |
| 09:23.31 | moof2 | hmm, looks that way from his original posting |
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| 09:24.20 | zub | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 09:25.18 | cheri | Koma the output is exceeding more than 150kb is there any other way I can send it to you |
| 09:25.44 | petn-randall | zub: The RC bug that's blocking it is this (found it by clicking through the "excuses" on that page): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709243 |
| 09:25.56 | moof2 | cheri, apt-get install nopaste |
| 09:26.14 | moof2 | then sar -A | nopaste |
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| 09:27.37 | cheri | moof2 I don't find this package |
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| 09:28.13 | moof2 | ok, try: apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 09:30.34 | moof2 | did it find that package? (note, it will probably install a lot of perl modules, that's normal and they're tiny) |
| 09:30.59 | moof2 | , v nopaste |
| 09:31.00 | judd | No package named 'nopaste' was found in i386. |
| 09:31.33 | moof2 | , v ligapp-nopaste-perl |
| 09:31.34 | judd | No package named 'ligapp-nopaste-perl' was found in i386. |
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| 09:31.45 | babilen | The package is, unfortunately, named "libapp-nopaste-perl" not "nopaste" as you pointed out correctly earlier. |
| 09:31.49 | moof2 | , v libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 09:31.50 | judd | Package: libapp-nopaste-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.22-1; wheezy: 0.33-1; jessie: 0.92-1; sid: 0.92-1 |
| 09:31.55 | babilen | dpkg: nopaste |
| 09:31.56 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 09:32.40 | cheri | ok |
| 09:34.08 | moof2 | cheri, so, after you install that, if you run "sar -A | nopaste" it will do stuff then finally show you a web link... show that link here |
| 09:34.32 | moof2 | and if you want to see what happened, browse to that link |
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| 09:37.29 | cheri | Koma here is the link http://paste.debian.net/8203 |
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| 09:40.22 | moof2 | cool... it werkd! |
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| 09:43.28 | cheri | moof2 I have too many restriction to install new packages so I copied the sar log to my pc and then pasting it from there in parts |
| 09:43.33 | cheri | http://paste.debian.net/8206/ |
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| 09:47.47 | Koma | cheri sumhas many options |
| 09:48.00 | moof2 | oh, ok; that works |
| 09:48.33 | cheri | Koma is there any other way I can send you the log file |
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| 09:50.04 | Pricey | I give up. How do I get gnome-terminal to open links in iceweasel rather than chromium? (I'm using i3wm) Frustrating as 'sensible-browser' does iceweasel as expected. |
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| 09:51.46 | moof2 | I guess you'd have to alter gnome-terminal's configuration |
| 09:52.51 | bw_ | Pricey: check update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 09:53.03 | bw_ | or gnome-www-browser |
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| 09:53.11 | Koma | http://askubuntu.com/questions/96080/how-to-set-google-chrome-as-the-default-browser |
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| 09:54.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | can someone make/send a man how to make a stub package not depending on anything for jockey-common |
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| 09:56.08 | moof2 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE, look into package: equivs |
| 09:56.12 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ? |
| 09:56.15 | Koma | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE did you mean a static package? |
| 09:57.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I need to install some proprietary stuff that expects a ubuntu pc |
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| 09:57.46 | Pricey | bw_: Both are set to /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 09:57.48 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | And jockey seems like their system to manage proprietary drivers |
| 09:58.08 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I dont need that, and i am not sure if that would work on debian if i would |
| 09:58.41 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | So i want to make a stub package that doesnt depend on anything to "please the proprietary" |
| 09:59.01 | Pricey | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Is this steam? equivs will do the job. |
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| 09:59.10 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | yeah, steam |
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| 09:59.33 | bw_ | Pricey: hmm, if you load the gnome-settings env maybe there is something to change .. but tho, why use gnome-stuff (e.g. terminal) if you use a minimalistic WM? i would recommend urxvt :) |
| 09:59.43 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | they surely must release a debian package. And skype also needs to update theirs..... proprietary software is just so hard...... |
| 09:59.54 | Pricey | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Yep, equivs'll be fine. The package you're missing is just for hardware compatability iirc. |
| 10:00.42 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | and.... how do i use equivs? |
| 10:01.19 | moof2 | first install it |
| 10:01.45 | Pricey | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: http://eric.lubow.org/2010/system-administration/creating-dummy-packages-on-debian/ |
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| 10:01.59 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | nvm, already found a howto |
| 10:02.26 | moof2 | then, look at what files are in there (dpkg -L equivs) |
| 10:02.54 | moof2 | then, you might find among the files in that list some docs |
| 10:02.55 | Pricey | bw_: Took me long enough to decide I liked i3wm ;) I'll give it a go. |
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| 10:04.06 | bw_ | Pricey :D running subtle over here, once i was used to it, i can't go back to at fullblown desktopenv anymore |
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| 10:09.43 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | thanks for equivs |
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| 10:11.24 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to run a software that requires a GUI in a headless server that doesn't have X? |
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| 10:11.28 | JyZyXEL | over SSH perhaps |
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| 10:11.57 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: Check the -X option of ssh. |
| 10:12.23 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: or xvfb. i think there's also a virtual xorg driver |
| 10:12.38 | JyZyXEL | i still need to be able to use the GUI somewhere |
| 10:12.51 | nkuttler | yeah, more like ssh -X then |
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| 10:21.56 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: the program im trying to run does not detect the X forwarding and the it defaults to running in text mode :\ |
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| 10:23.53 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: but X-forward does work? echo $DISPLAY shows a reasonable value like localhost:10 ? |
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| 10:24.06 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
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| 10:24.23 | JyZyXEL | i don't have any X applications to test it with |
| 10:24.24 | factor | I cant seem to get d7 openGL dev files |
| 10:24.31 | factor | says broken package |
| 10:24.48 | JyZyXEL | because im guessing if you try to install an X application, dpkg is gonna force the whole X environment to be installed too |
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| 10:25.13 | JyZyXEL | not really something i need in a headless server |
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| 10:26.20 | CaneToad | Using gnome 3 for the first time...I find that the lack a taskbar in gnome 3 drives me mad.... what are people doing as an alternative? |
| 10:26.49 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: I tested using apt-get install xteddy |
| 10:27.05 | JyZyXEL | oh yeah |
| 10:27.12 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: I tested using apt-get install xteddy and it does only install 3 packages and no X Stuff on my headless |
| 10:27.16 | JyZyXEL | ChrisH: yeah, that seems to work |
| 10:27.18 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 10:27.24 | Pricey | bw_: Well at least it opens links in the right browser. Now to fix the colours! |
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| 10:27.31 | nkuttler | and no, gui apps don't depend on xorg |
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| 10:27.58 | JyZyXEL | xteddy works over X forwarding |
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| 10:28.24 | JyZyXEL | but the program i try to run, detects that i need the text mode |
| 10:28.25 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: So then its your program.. maybe there is still some lib missing. |
| 10:28.37 | JyZyXEL | no it has some detection for GUI vs CLI |
| 10:28.38 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: which app are you talking about anyway? |
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| 10:28.40 | bw_ | Pricey: gnome-terminal or urxvt? |
| 10:28.46 | JyZyXEL | truecrypt |
| 10:28.51 | nkuttler | oh well |
| 10:28.57 | justmmt | hello |
| 10:28.58 | JyZyXEL | i need the GUI for running the AES benchmark |
| 10:29.09 | JyZyXEL | they don't offer that in text mode |
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| 10:31.40 | JyZyXEL | i would need to figure out what detection they are using and override it somehow |
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| 10:33.45 | justmmt | I'm downloading debian 7 from jigdo-lite , |
| 10:33.47 | justmmt | if the download has been interrupted, will it resume when I am going to rerun jigdo-lite |
| 10:33.57 | justmmt | ? |
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| 10:35.55 | JyZyXEL | any ideas how they might be detecting if a command is run in X environment or text environment? |
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| 10:36.40 | woshty | hmm, anyone using the "official" virtualbox repos and having trouble downloading packages with apitude? |
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| 10:38.44 | woshty | It starts, then just stalls .. tried it multiple times over multiple days. Downloading with wget or browser from the same location works fine. |
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| 10:40.55 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: you probably want to talk to the truecrypt support |
| 10:41.29 | petn-randall | woshty: You'll have to take that up with the virtualbox folks. That repo is not supported by Debian. |
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| 10:43.04 | woshty | petn-randall: I do not think it is a repo issue or it might be, if they pretty strangely filter user agents out - Oracle ftw. Can I set the aptitude user agent somehow? |
| 10:43.51 | petn-randall | woshty: Not that I know of. |
| 10:44.21 | petn-randall | woshty: Can you paste the output of "apt-get update && apt-get install <packageyoutrytoinstall>"? |
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| 10:45.52 | woshty | petn-randall: I can, but it just stalls and gos down to 2B/s or something similar, never got an actual error yet |
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| 10:46.38 | petn-randall | woshty: No error no problem. |
| 10:46.47 | petn-randall | woshty: There should be a timeout at some point. |
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| 10:51.11 | justmmt | I'm downloading debian 7 from jigdo-lite , |
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| 10:51.17 | justmmt | if the download has been interrupted, will it resume when I am going to rerun jigdo-lite |
| 10:51.20 | justmmt | ?? |
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| 10:54.22 | nonconvergent | Is there a syslog in by default, or do I have to install and set one up? |
| 10:54.58 | ksk | nonconvergent: check "dpkg -l | grep syslog" |
| 10:55.00 | themill | rsyslog |
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| 10:55.43 | ompaul | justmmt: you needed to search for jigdo-lite resume and get this result http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58785 |
| 10:56.29 | nonconvergent | What's ii mean, ksk? |
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| 10:57.10 | woshty | petn-randall: I found the problem, it is the repo server, the directory the debian repo is in is slower than the dir holding just the debs :/ |
| 10:57.35 | themill | nonconvergent: installed |
| 10:57.48 | nonconvergent | themill: okay |
| 10:58.07 | themill | nonconvergent: (the output of "dpkg -l '*syslog*'" would be more informative than grepping) |
| 10:58.43 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | /home/zetaneta/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /home/zetaneta/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/i386/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6) |
| 10:58.48 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | How to fix |
| 10:59.09 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Seems to me it expected ubuntu's libc6 |
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| 11:00.12 | nonconvergent | Now where would you look after a crash? |
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| 11:00.58 | nonconvergent | /var/log/syslog and /var/log/syslog.1 are both empty. |
| 11:01.37 | nonconvergent | Nevermind |
| 11:01.42 | nonconvergent | I forgot permissions |
| 11:01.52 | nonconvergent | ...although what to actuall look for would help. |
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| 11:02.38 | nonconvergent | bah, that's not it either. |
| 11:02.52 | nonconvergent | Looks like I'll have to wait for the next crash. |
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| 11:04.30 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Any site for the ones who know basicaly alot about IPv4 addresses and Tcp protocol. But are total noobs at what is IPv6? |
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| 11:04.51 | justmmt | ompaul: it seems that a cd which is downloaded completely is required to run #jigdo-lite file.jigdo |
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| 11:06.24 | DarkKnightCZ | hi after package update, postfix seems to stop working with sasl authentication, does someone know how to fix this? |
| 11:07.22 | nonconvergent | Oh, I think I found my crash in the kern.log |
| 11:07.31 | nonconvergent | http://paste.debian.net/8221/ Time looks about right. |
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| 11:14.26 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: You're installing an Ubuntu package on a Debian system, and it breaks. Were you expecting something else? |
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| 11:14.28 | gomiam | hello everyone. Quick question, if you will |
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| 11:16.01 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: You could upgrade to jessie, but there's still no guarantee that it'll work. |
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| 11:17.07 | moof2 | you can investigate what libs the thing was originally compiled with. ultimately this is not a "debian versus ubuntu" issue, it's about the libs |
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| 11:17.12 | gomiam | I upgraded to wheezy and now S14checkfs.sh fails while checking /dev/sda7 (/usr) because it is already mounted. I can fix it setting the pass flag to 0, but I don't think that is a good idea in the long run. Can anyone give me a hint about why it would mount /usr so soon? |
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| 11:18.29 | moof2 | this is directly after rebooting? |
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| 11:18.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | maybe i was away from debian for a while, but since when wheezy took place of squeeze? |
| 11:18.51 | nonconvergent | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: About a month ago. |
| 11:19.00 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Finaly that happened! |
| 11:19.05 | nonconvergent | Wheezy is now Stable. |
| 11:19.08 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | :D |
| 11:19.10 | nonconvergent | Squeeze is old stable. |
| 11:19.16 | moof2 | you don't have "stable" in your sources.list do you? |
| 11:19.17 | nonconvergent | Jessie is testing |
| 11:19.30 | nonconvergent | sid breaks all his toys. |
| 11:19.36 | gomiam | moof2: yes. I runs all the way up to /etc/rcS.d/S14checkfs.sh and it fails while running some fsck -A (with lots of arguments) |
| 11:19.44 | nonconvergent | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Happens about every two years. |
| 11:20.04 | R_Rios | I tried to load my old .zshrc in debian, but I used that in a newer version of zsh, because it says it can find neither compinit nor prompt. |
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| 11:20.27 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | And.... does that mean that if i dont want to get into the problems of "squeeze" i should upgrade to jessie? |
| 11:20.37 | R_Rios | And so I get no tab completion. Any suggestions? |
| 11:20.57 | R_Rios | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: There's "Wheezy" in between, so you can also try that |
| 11:20.59 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: You can't skip wheezy on dist-upgrade. |
| 11:21.00 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Becouse i didnt like squeeze for its "way too much stability". Will wheezy get this problem now? |
| 11:21.14 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I got a wheezy system here |
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| 11:21.22 | moof2 | gomiam, you should put the thing you want to track in there. Of course you won't be surprised this way for about a year, but it's still a good idea to use the code name and not "stable" or "testing" |
| 11:21.24 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: If you don't like the stability, try deleting random files as root from /lib. |
| 11:21.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I know how it is to have a squeeze, and i dont like squeeze |
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| 11:21.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | petn-randall, I mean stability in keeping way too outdated packages |
| 11:21.46 | themill | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: seeing as how you don't actively follow debian development, you probably want to avoid going anywhere near jessie for some months |
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| 11:22.40 | R_Rios | I'm running squeeze here and I have no problems with it. The only problem with it is that Iceweasel 10 is *way* too old and it sucks hard when compared to 21.0 |
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| 11:22.43 | mar77i | so... is there a /etc/services.conf on debian? |
| 11:22.55 | R_Rios | But I solved that by enabling the mozilla debian repos |
| 11:23.02 | histo | mar77i: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:23.10 | petn-randall | R_Rios: Check out http://mozilla.debian.net, it might be of your interest. |
| 11:23.19 | R_Rios | s/squeeze/wheezy/g |
| 11:23.34 | gomiam | moof2: I wrote "I upgraded to wheezy" ;-) And the problem seems to be that /usr is mounted even before /etc/rcS.d/S01live-config is started. I guess I'll have to dust off the Debian init sequence to find when it is mounted and why. |
| 11:23.39 | petn-randall | R_Rios: You're already using it, great :) |
| 11:23.39 | mar77i | histo: I'm trying to find my way around a system which is neither sane nor debian. |
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| 11:24.06 | histo | mar77i: What system is that? |
| 11:24.10 | mar77i | histo: while I'm aware you could help me with the former, I'm pretty sure I'm off topic here, which is bad :( |
| 11:24.16 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | btw, i have a while ago tryed out gentoo. When you set the thingy not to have troubles with licences (bindist flag) it sets aurora logo instead of firefox. Why havent anyone in firefox thinked of that? |
| 11:24.29 | histo | mar77i: What is it you are trying to do? Perhaps you are looking in the wrong places? |
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| 11:24.38 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Becouse you could distrebute auroras logo more freely |
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| 11:24.57 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Read up on !iceweasel before asking such questions. This has been discussed to death. |
| 11:25.13 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | !iceweasel |
| 11:25.14 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". Ask me about <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 11:25.22 | moof2 | gomiam did you reboot after the upgrade? |
| 11:25.41 | gomiam | moof2: yes, several times actually while trying to track down this issue. |
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| 11:27.36 | mar77i | histo: okay. I have this huge pile of perl system maintenance code my boss buys, which has a source script for init.d scripts with a function exit_if_disabled which aborts init.d scripts based on a services.conf file... and I think the manual says something like "Disable this option to enable disabling of services"... |
| 11:27.48 | folivora | Anyone have got pidgin-sipe plugin working with M$ Lync Server |
| 11:28.06 | mar77i | short, there's a person who really doesn't know to value my sanity :( |
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| 11:29.36 | moof2 | mar77i, and then there's you, who has full responsibility for it |
| 11:29.48 | mar77i | sure |
| 11:30.11 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | petn-randall, Yet, dpkg didnt explain why they couldnt release a "upstream-like" version with aurora brandings |
| 11:30.13 | mar77i | hint for you guys: if ever you hear of collax, run. |
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| 11:31.57 | moof2 | what's a collax? |
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| 11:32.52 | mar77i | I won't tell you. Don't google it. No seriously, fuck me. |
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| 11:37.53 | password2 | oops i googled collax |
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| 11:39.34 | mar77i | is there a way to put you on a quote db? :) |
| 11:39.54 | mar77i | (wait, that would be counter-productive, I guess) |
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| 11:40.10 | caf | i googled it once, but i think i got away with it |
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| 11:46.30 | justmmt | are there torrents for the the dvd #4 -> dvd#10 of debian7 please! |
| 11:46.31 | justmmt | ? |
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| 11:46.50 | ompaul | justmmt: if you can't find them just use http |
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| 11:47.00 | ompaul | then prepare to torrent |
| 11:47.36 | ompaul | justmmt: most people don't bother the mirrors are plentiful and netinstall works great if you have an internet connection |
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| 11:53.11 | justmmt | ompaul: I want to get the 10 dvd of debian7 and I don't find them in http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 11:53.25 | justmmt | I have to use .jigdo |
| 11:54.10 | justmmt | I don't find a dvd4.torrent or ftp of dvd4.iso |
| 11:54.17 | justmmt | just for dvd#3 |
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| 11:57.33 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | If my browser says on 25% of all sites i visit that the certificate is incorrect. Should i "skip" it, or worry about being surrounded. Those sites opened ok on my pc in russia. But here......... |
| 11:57.38 | future28 | Hi, I have installed the stable with kde and i dislike it. Is there a relatively easy way to move to xfce without keeping all of the kde stuff? |
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| 11:58.19 | ompaul | justmmt: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 11:58.22 | histo | future28: you'd have to remove the kde stuff |
| 11:58.36 | jelly | future28: you may just install and use xfce, even without removing kde |
| 11:59.08 | jelly | dpkg, tell future28 about install xfce |
| 11:59.20 | D4T | I'm thinking of running wheezy from a 16GB USB stick and vending the whole RAID10 storage out via NFS. Am I just overcomplicating things? I just want to optimise the storage usage as much as possible really. |
| 11:59.26 | jelly | future28: (you already have X so may skip that part) |
| 11:59.39 | future28 | cheers jelly |
| 11:59.53 | future28 | jelly, dpkg didn't tell me anything |
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| 12:00.16 | jelly | future28: no private message? |
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| 12:00.31 | future28 | jelly no, it just sent whois info |
| 12:00.34 | jelly | separate window/tab |
| 12:00.42 | jelly | !install xfce |
| 12:00.43 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 12:00.51 | future28 | thanks |
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| 12:02.11 | justmmt | ompaul: I have already the 3 dvd, I want to get the 4th |
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| 12:41.09 | DusteD | Greetings, when doing apt-get upgrade, I'd like to see which versions are currently installed and which versions they will be upgraded to, is this possible? |
| 12:41.20 | DusteD | well, "before" doing apt-get upgrade :)= |
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| 12:49.11 | ksk | DusteD: you may want to use "apticron" |
| 12:49.24 | DusteD | ksk, I'll look into that, thank you :) |
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| 12:49.45 | themill | or aptitude --show-versions |
| 12:49.49 | Glorf | hello |
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| 12:50.12 | ksk | themill: that opens aptitudes frontend. aaah :D |
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| 12:50.39 | themill | umm... if you want upgrade or dist-upgrade or install or ... you'd still specify that |
| 12:50.40 | Glorf | i have a package installed on my computer(libwww), and i can't find it anymore in the package system ... Is there any easy way to recreate it ? |
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| 13:05.25 | jelly | Glorf: are you sure the name of the package was just "libwww", nothing more? |
| 13:06.34 | Glorf | libwww0 and libww-dev |
| 13:06.36 | Glorf | *libwww-dev |
| 13:07.07 | jelly | Glorf: which debian release is this? |
| 13:07.17 | Glorf | i'm on wheezy |
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| 13:07.22 | Glorf | (using a little sid) |
| 13:08.12 | Glorf | if you look here : http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libwww0&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all you can have it only using m86k arch |
| 13:08.33 | jelly | Glorf: pastebin the output of dpkg -s libwww0, please |
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| 13:09.21 | Glorf | http://pastebin.com/sQuLDCxt |
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| 13:09.36 | abrotman | Glorf: that means it's in deb-ports, and likely dead |
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| 13:10.11 | jelly | Glorf: if it's not horribly old, http://snapshots.debian.org should carry it |
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| 13:10.59 | jelly | Glorf: use dpkg-repack to rebuild it from current system state if you're in a rush |
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| 13:11.14 | Glorf | well, i'ts pretty old, yes |
| 13:11.18 | Glorf | dpkg-repack ? will try this |
| 13:11.20 | jelly | sorry, http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 13:11.25 | jelly | ,v libwww-ssl0 |
| 13:11.26 | judd | No package named 'libwww-ssl0' was found in i386. |
| 13:11.48 | colo-work | dpkg has a factoid about cloning a debian system (its list of packages) to another (NOT using dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --set-selections); what's it called? |
| 13:11.51 | dpkg | colo-work: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 13:12.02 | jelly | Glorf: last seen in... etch |
| 13:12.05 | colo-work | :^) |
| 13:12.10 | jelly | dpkg: release history |
| 13:12.11 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch |
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| 13:12.51 | jelly | colo-work: debian clone |
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| 13:13.07 | Glorf | my installation is defnitively not that old |
| 13:13.18 | jelly | colo-work: that one references the one you want |
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| 13:13.40 | Glorf | thanks for the advice |
| 13:13.41 | colo-work | jelly, thanks a bunch :) |
| 13:13.53 | colo-work | how can I make dpkg give me a list of factoids btw? |
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| 13:14.28 | jelly | colo-work: ummm /msg dpkg factoids ? |
| 13:14.41 | colo-work | ah. how obvious. |
| 13:14.56 | colo-work | I was browsing the bot's help output/reply, but just couldn't see it... |
| 13:14.59 | colo-work | thanks again :) |
| 13:16.02 | halt | hi all, I'm having an issue with on of the package called qbittorrent-nox, just updated the distro, and with the this package as well, it's stoped functioning but what it's worst, I can't find any error log, or log in general |
| 13:17.54 | Walex | halt: most applications don't have error logs, they just print their errors to 'stderr'. |
| 13:18.20 | jelly | halt: for apps started via GUI menu, that stderr ends up in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:18.54 | jelly | you might want to start it from a separate terminal emulator instead |
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| 13:25.15 | converge | is there a way to make 'tail' just output a string I want ? |
| 13:25.29 | converge | like tail -f file.log | grep my_string |
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| 13:25.53 | jelly | converge: sounds like you already know the answer? |
| 13:26.06 | converge | lol, yes, sorry, didnt test |
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| 13:30.23 | abrotman | /win 3 |
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| 13:33.43 | Dwarf | Good afternoon, I got an error during boot, but it went too fast so I couldn't see the full error, but it had to do with MPD, how can I see the log file? |
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| 13:34.29 | ggherdov | Hi all. How do I check what version of a package <pkg> apt-get *would* install if I run "apt-getb install <pkg>" ? |
| 13:34.32 | halt | Walex: this app is runing as service, so should fw the log somewhere i guess, jelly: thre is no gui the x not even installed on the mashine |
| 13:35.03 | compilingEntropy | I have an interesting dpkg error. I was doing a dist-upgrade when my box crashed. now apt-get tells me that dpkg was interrupted and I should run 'dpkg --configure -a'. The problem is, when I do that I get an obscure error. http://pastebin.com/JtGtuEKx |
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| 13:35.35 | jelly | compilingEntropy: is your disk full? |
| 13:35.49 | compilingEntropy | nope |
| 13:36.07 | jelly | compilingEntropy: do you see any filesystem errors in "dmesg" command output? |
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| 13:37.47 | Dwarf | compilingEntropy: I found this, might be helpful to check it out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1265373&p=7943852#post7943852 |
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| 13:39.08 | compilingEntropy | thanks, I'll try that. dmsg doesn't throw any filesystem errors. |
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| 13:41.06 | anddam | what's the proper way to edit /etc/crontab? |
| 13:41.47 | mar77i | awesome |
| 13:42.06 | themill | anddam: I prefer using /etc/cron.d/ |
| 13:42.37 | mar77i | I indeed created another package on that crapstem, guess what, it suffers the same deficiency |
| 13:42.58 | anddam | themill: mm seems I prefer too, I migrated a debian system and couldn't find the entries I expected in /etc/crontab, I see I put those in cron.d on the old machine as well |
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| 13:43.15 | compilingEntropy | jelly: same problem, unfortunately. |
| 13:43.16 | mar77i | but at least I found out that they work in one flavor and don't in another |
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| 13:43.22 | anddam | unluckily I use so seldom that I cannot the difference in mind |
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| 13:44.44 | compilingEntropy | Dwarf: same problem after I reverted to status-old. |
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| 13:45.27 | dmanzano | what is better? mate 1.6 or Gnome 3? |
| 13:45.39 | jelly | compilingEntropy: is this a physical machine or some sort of VM? |
| 13:45.41 | Dwarf | dmanzano: it's based on preference really |
| 13:45.53 | jelly | compilingEntropy: which kernel are you using? (uname -a) |
| 13:46.14 | jelly | compilingEntropy: also, which debian release? |
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| 13:46.56 | compilingEntropy | jelly: VM. I can reinstall, but I'd rather not (this was a fresh install before I dist-updated, so I suspect I'd run into a similar problem again) |
| 13:47.35 | dmanzano | Dwarf: ok, tks |
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| 13:48.02 | compilingEntropy | Kernel 2.6.28.10power46-wl1 |
| 13:48.18 | compilingEntropy | It's Debian squeeze (mish) |
| 13:48.27 | compilingEntropy | mish* |
| 13:48.30 | compilingEntropy | gah |
| 13:48.32 | jelly | what does "mish" mean? |
| 13:48.38 | compilingEntropy | autocorrect hates me |
| 13:48.46 | compilingEntropy | ish |
| 13:49.05 | moof2 | squee mish? |
| 13:49.30 | jelly | compilingEntropy: is that your own custom kernel, where did you get it? What does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
| 13:49.32 | compilingEntropy | it's squeeze+lenny |
| 13:49.50 | moof2 | wow :) |
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| 13:49.59 | jelly | compilingEntropy: how did you install it? |
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| 13:50.05 | moof2 | it's working tho, right? |
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| 13:50.30 | jelly | compilingEntropy: that could not possibly have been "a fresh install" :-) |
| 13:50.35 | compilingEntropy | wiki.memo.org/easy_Debian, also qole.org |
| 13:50.49 | compilingEntropy | heh ;) |
| 13:51.05 | compilingEntropy | fresh to me, anyway |
| 13:51.10 | jelly | memo.org link gives me a "domain may be for sale" |
| 13:51.13 | moof2 | did you use make-kpkg to build it? |
| 13:51.19 | compilingEntropy | ugh |
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| 13:51.48 | compilingEntropy | wiki.maemo. org/Easy_Debian |
| 13:51.51 | moof2 | they parked the dpmain for us! yay us! |
| 13:52.02 | jelly | compilingEntropy: maemo isn't really debian |
| 13:52.14 | jelly | !maemo |
| 13:52.15 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/ #maemo on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:52.22 | compilingEntropy | moof2: it does work, if I don't want to install anything. |
| 13:52.37 | compilingEntropy | it's a Debian VM running in maemo. |
| 13:52.44 | moof2 | I knew there had to be a catch... |
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| 13:53.03 | weechat | Krigsforbryter |
| 13:53.26 | moof2 | what kind of vm? (just being curious here) |
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| 13:53.34 | compilingEntropy | that's why I'm here, obviously. Normally I can install things, but not right now. |
| 13:53.35 | jelly | compilingEntropy: oh, that's not a VM, it's just some sort of a chroot environment, but it's running directly on the (vendor's) kernel |
| 13:53.44 | compilingEntropy | yeah it's chroot. |
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| 13:54.07 | jelly | you'll have to ask your vendor's channel I'm afraid, or reproduce the issue with a normal debian installer |
| 13:54.23 | jelly | it looks very platform specific |
| 13:55.18 | compilingEntropy | seems like other people besides me have been able to dist-upgrade without issues, so I wonder why I'm having so much trouble. |
| 13:56.21 | Dwarf | When I run /etc/init.d/mpd start it gives me the following error: " Starting Music Player Daemon: mpdline 67: Missing closing '"' " |
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| 13:56.29 | jelly | compilingEntropy: you've stumbled onto something unusual. If you had strace installed, you might have output to provide to whoever's capable of helping |
| 13:56.36 | Dwarf | So I opened /etc/init.d/mpd but there's no quotes on line 67 |
| 13:56.47 | themill | Dwarf: perhaps pastebin the whole file |
| 13:57.06 | Dwarf | Sure thing |
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| 13:57.14 | themill | Dwarf: it will be /etc/mpd.conf that it's complaining about |
| 13:57.22 | jelly | compilingEntropy: if I had to guess, this looks like a filesystem or a kernel issue |
| 13:57.24 | Dwarf | Ah |
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| 13:57.28 | Dwarf | I'll check that then |
| 13:57.29 | Dwarf | Thanks |
| 13:57.39 | compilingEntropy | *sigh* okay. I'll reinstall, install strace, then upgrade and if I have issues I'll be able to provide you guys with something more. |
| 13:57.55 | jelly | compilingEntropy: not us. The people in #maemo |
| 13:57.55 | moof2 | jelly, I have to do a chroot as well... I have to put a drive from a desktop machine on my laptop and see why dracut isn't working right, or (much preferably) replace it. |
| 13:57.57 | Dwarf | Fixed, thanks themill |
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| 13:59.48 | moof2 | jelly, if you know, what package is dracut a substitute for, in regard to 3.2.0-[34]? |
| 14:00.30 | jelly | moof2: debian defaults to using initramfs-tools, not dracut |
| 14:01.21 | moof2 | hmm. then I must have done something wrong... my package db likes dracut and doesn't like initramfs-tools |
| 14:01.38 | compilingEntropy | hah if that channel still exists.. |
| 14:02.22 | moof2 | I don't have everything mounted, so I can't get exact-text results right now |
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| 14:06.00 | moof2 | lemme write a chroot setup script |
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| 14:15.30 | new[] | Anyone know how to get gnomebaker on wheezy? |
| 14:16.29 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions gnomebaker |
| 14:16.31 | judd | No package named 'gnomebaker' was found in i386. |
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| 14:17.54 | new[] | :( |
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| 14:18.41 | new[] | oh i guess brasero ok |
| 14:19.17 | moof2 | , v gnomebaker |
| 14:19.19 | judd | No package named 'gnomebaker' was found in i386. |
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| 14:19.33 | moof2 | , v gnome-baker |
| 14:19.34 | judd | No package named 'gnome-baker' was found in i386. |
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| 14:19.39 | future28 | Hi, wheezy with gnome 3, how can I configure my second monitor? It is not working correctly |
| 14:19.40 | moof2 | guess not |
| 14:19.51 | moof2 | so, get the source and compile |
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| 14:21.21 | moof2 | future28, the thing that supports monitors is called X, and it is the configuration for X that you would need to look into |
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| 14:24.57 | fa3bukn2 | Hello |
| 14:24.57 | fa3bukn2 | http://gimb.us/VD2M |
| 14:25.00 | fa3bukn2 | what is it? |
| 14:25.02 | fa3bukn2 | debian 8? |
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| 14:26.00 | esaym153 | thinking about installing linux-image 3.8.2 onto stable. Any ill affects? |
| 14:26.25 | moof2 | fa3bukn2, I don't know, I don't click on random links... |
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| 14:30.17 | jhutchins_wk | esaym153: I did see one report of hardware loosing supported by that kernel. |
| 14:30.20 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 14:30.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 14:30.40 | future28 | Hi, can someone help me, I want to know the name of the gui program that comes with debian that allows you to edit monitor settings such as inputs, which monitor has priority etc |
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| 14:31.16 | jhutchins_wk | future28: Sometimes that's xrandr or a wrapper for it, I don't know if gnome does it's own applet though. |
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| 14:32.01 | future28 | thanks jhutchins_wk |
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| 14:41.14 | zophy | is there an installer for debian that runs in windows 8 ? |
| 14:41.25 | DammitJim | zophy, what do you mean? |
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| 14:41.53 | zophy | a windows executable that will install debian |
| 14:42.14 | DammitJim | do you know what Debian is? |
| 14:42.17 | theothertom | like wubi? |
| 14:42.28 | zophy | yes like wubi |
| 14:42.29 | theothertom | (maybe I don't have that name right) |
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| 14:42.42 | DammitJim | LOL... put a VM on Windows and install Debian |
| 14:42.44 | moof2 | I thought there was a windows installer for debian... |
| 14:42.59 | DammitJim | gosh, I have so much to learn |
| 14:43.03 | theothertom | there was one for Ubuntu, dunno about debian |
| 14:43.09 | DammitJim | I don't think I would ask a question like that LOL |
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| 14:43.12 | zophy | goodbye-microsoft.com has an installer like i want |
| 14:43.13 | theothertom | it performed like arse though |
| 14:43.15 | johnfg_ | hi folks |
| 14:43.17 | moof2 | dammitjim! you're a doctor, not a learner! |
| 14:43.22 | DammitJim | excatly, moof2 |
| 14:43.28 | zophy | i don't know how up to date it is |
| 14:43.52 | johnfg_ | Through a self-inflicted problem, I kinda messed up my squeeze gnome-desktop. |
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| 14:44.15 | johnfg_ | I've almost got things back to normal,but have a big problem with bind9 not being installed. |
| 14:44.25 | moof2 | zophy, do you have free (unpartitioned) space on a drive? |
| 14:45.09 | johnfg_ | It has made it where I can't apt-get install bind9, as the system doesn't know how to get to what's listed in sources.list, and what's on the squeeze dvd is too old. |
| 14:45.47 | zophy | i don't have any blank dvd's to burn and then boot from, so i want to install debian via a windows executable and a net install |
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| 14:46.18 | johnfg_ | Because of other requirements, I don't run network-manager, but take care of that through /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 14:46.40 | johnfg_ | How can I tell the system to use dhcp until I get bind9 working again? |
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| 14:47.33 | zophy | moof2: i have 500 GB partitioned for windows that i can change to anything i need |
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| 14:48.00 | jelly | johnfg_: temporarily add something like "nameserver 8.8.8.8" to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:48.12 | jelly | instead of messing with dhcp |
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| 14:48.42 | johnfg_ | jelly: literally make the nameserver 8.8.8.8? |
| 14:48.44 | mtn | zophy: your best bet is too use either a cd or an usb stick to install debian |
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| 14:49.01 | mtn | too=to |
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| 14:50.22 | theothertom | johnfg_: google's public DNS is on 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 14:50.28 | moof2 | zophy, have you backed up your windows drive? |
| 14:50.30 | theothertom | 's handy to remember :) |
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| 14:51.31 | moof2 | I'll agree with mtn... I haven't heard of a windows installer -lately- |
| 14:51.32 | zophy | 8.8.8.8 is such a cool ip address |
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| 14:52.03 | moof2 | zophy: it's the last four digits of TWO nation's burgers restaurants |
| 14:52.06 | zophy | i might get it tatooed on my bum |
| 14:52.24 | moof2 | reading it would be a challenge |
| 14:52.35 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg_: Just comment out the static settings and add dhcp. |
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| 14:54.39 | ChrisH | I have an issue with xinetd. http://paste.debian.net/8270/ None of the configured Services has a LISTENer open. The only open LISTENer is ftp and I do not see any config for that.... What am I overlooking? |
| 14:54.47 | epilido | I am trying to install via debian installer as encrypted volume. the guided partitioner makes a lvm that is crypt and then a / partition and a swap partition. when it runs I get the error that the attempt to mount the swap has failed.after looking around I found multiple people tat deleted the swap partition and were able to then get the system to install I have tried that and the partitioner just keeps looping without allowing me to g |
| 14:54.47 | epilido | o forward. |
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| 14:55.04 | xmj | Hi, is there something like /proc/cpuinfo for GPUs? |
| 14:55.08 | xmj | (on debian) |
| 14:55.38 | jelly | johnfg_: yes. |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | xmj: dmidecode maybe? |
| 14:56.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell xmj about whats my hardware |
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| 14:58.41 | moof2 | how can my chroot "inherit" the net connection from the nonchroot? |
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| 14:59.00 | moof2 | ls /proc |
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| 15:00.07 | xmj | abrotman: that was helpful, thanks. too bad this AWS instance has ... none of the commands, or doesn't allow them, or doesn't give meaningful output. |
| 15:00.14 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: I never had to do anything special to make that work. |
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| 15:03.12 | moof2 | jhutchins_wk, so I'm presently writing a pair of scripts (setup and teardown of the chroot),,, it does the mounts and deals with the lvm parts |
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| 15:04.00 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: Yet another reason to avoid lvm... |
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| 15:05.49 | moof2 | I'll respectfully disagree with that, not changing to non-lvm today. it also has zero to do with the networking... do you deal with chroots often? |
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| 15:06.50 | moof2 | do you mount /proc and /sys with --bind? |
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| 15:08.45 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: Yeah, I did that when I was running testing. |
| 15:09.17 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: It was nice to be able to do an upgrade and test the latest version of the graphics drivers without having to rely on them working. |
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| 15:12.13 | moof2 | so the interfaces and routing table were set up automatically set up (since they were in the env surrounding the chroot) and you could ping? |
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| 15:12.37 | johnfg | jelly-home: that worked, thanks. |
| 15:12.53 | johnfg | I assume now,if all's correct, to remove that line from resolv.conf? |
| 15:12.54 | moof2 | hmm, lookit that, I can ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 15:13.42 | oggei | hi |
| 15:14.09 | moof2 | so the only thing missing is resolv.conf I guess |
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| 15:18.11 | ChrisH | fixed my xinetd problem.... wrong user in /etc/xinetd.conf/amanda removed file and restarted xinetd |
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| 15:28.54 | moof2 | jhutchins_wk, so it's inherited, I guess because I mounted /proc |
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| 15:50.31 | moof2 | next problem... apparantly there's supposed to be a /run/lock but there's not one... what to do? |
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| 16:03.19 | petn-randall | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: Because Mozilla still has a copyright on it?! |
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| 16:08.22 | moof2 | well most software has copyrights including GPL |
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| 16:10.52 | fabio123 | !russian | me |
| 16:11.03 | fabio123 | !russian | fabio123 |
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| 16:11.36 | fabio123 | tnak you ompaul |
| 16:12.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell fabio123 -about msgthebot |
| 16:12.16 | moof2 | fabio123, or, /msg dpkg russian |
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| 16:19.28 | avsej | hi all. i'm using git-buildpackage to build a package. and it seems like it is trying to install things to /usr prefix during installation |
| 16:19.49 | avsej | therefore i'm getting messages like this: /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file '/usr/bin/engine_testapp': Permission denied |
| 16:19.55 | babilen | avsej: Sure, but git-buildpackage shouldn't install *anything* |
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| 16:20.27 | babilen | It simply builds packages, but doesn't install them. |
| 16:20.38 | moof2 | I believe /usr/bin/install is used to place things in the temp dir while building a package |
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| 16:21.16 | avsej | i thought it use fakeroot to to get files to put into package |
| 16:21.36 | babilen | avsej: Either way: If you want help ask in #debian-mentors and provide a build log + pastes of important files in debian/ on http://paste.debian.net -- There is very little we can do with your description. Make sure to paste debian/rules |
| 16:21.52 | moof2 | fakeroot just establishes an environment |
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| 16:22.17 | avsej | ok, thanks babilen, i will ask in debian-mentors |
| 16:22.22 | babilen | moof2: Yes, but it is not installing anything into the actual /usr/bin directory -- It creates BUILDIR/usr/bin and installs it in there. |
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| 16:22.40 | avsej | babilen, this is invite-only channel actually |
| 16:22.43 | babilen | avsej: The channel is on irc.oftc.net with all the other developer/official debian channels. |
| 16:22.51 | moof2 | babilen, exactly :) |
| 16:22.57 | avsej | ok |
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| 16:24.07 | zerick | Hi guys, suddenly the NIC on my Debian is nor starting at boot, I have to start it manually. What is more, it has been crashing since the NIC problem, actually, when I don't start the eth0 it doesn't crash (kernel panic) |
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| 16:24.55 | ilikenwf | zerick: have another nic you could try? |
| 16:25.00 | ilikenwf | they can randomly go bad |
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| 16:25.12 | Joschii | ciao belli |
| 16:25.13 | ilikenwf | of course, if you upgraded the kernel recently that could be it as well |
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| 16:26.15 | moof2 | zerick, too many "it"s.... "it has been crashing",,, -what- exactly has been crashing? |
| 16:26.26 | zerick | mood2: Debian |
| 16:27.02 | naquad | could somebody please share sources.list for wheezy with security updates? |
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| 16:27.12 | naquad | i've got a complete mess on my box after apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:27.31 | moof2 | ok, and, that's too broad. however, you can rule out hardware problems by running a ram tester for awhile |
| 16:28.07 | zerick | ilikenwf: it was working well, no updates, no new packages |
| 16:28.43 | moof2 | what were you doing during the time just before failure? |
| 16:29.48 | naquad | found http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ - generator |
| 16:29.51 | naquad | looks like it helps |
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| 16:30.26 | naquad | hell |
| 16:30.29 | naquad | same crap |
| 16:30.35 | naquad | is there something wrong with recent php5-common? |
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| 16:31.06 | naquad | any php module i'm trying to install ends up with error: php5-mcrypt : Depends: php5-common (= 5.4.4-14) but 5.4.4-15 is to be installed |
| 16:31.07 | naquad | wtf? |
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| 16:32.16 | ksk | naquad: "apt-cache policy php5-common" says what? |
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| 16:32.32 | moof2 | so it's depending on one and only one version of php-common |
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| 16:33.23 | fongseiyuc | hi. I just installed a vanilla kernel via make-kpkg etc... did upgrade-grub, and i get this output: |
| 16:33.27 | fongseiyuc | umount: /var/lib/os-prober/mount: not mounted |
| 16:33.37 | fongseiyuc | what can this mean |
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| 16:34.02 | fongseiyuc | i've searched around on google but havent found a solution |
| 16:34.16 | fongseiyuc | i do not have win install either |
| 16:34.21 | fongseiyuc | on debian testing |
| 16:34.23 | naquad | ksk, moof2 fixed it. sorry, ksk, saw your message only after fix. just removed everything and installed again |
| 16:34.24 | fongseiyuc | on=only |
| 16:35.32 | woshty | Anyone using acerhdf module? What params does that module support? |
| 16:35.46 | moof2 | fongseiyuc, have you installed a debian? |
| 16:35.57 | fongseiyuc | moof2, yes |
| 16:36.40 | fongseiyuc | moof2, its my second vanilla kernel on this system, and no such message appeared before |
| 16:37.02 | moof2 | could you show exact text of the build command? |
| 16:37.24 | zerick | moof2: well, is a testing server, but is used on rare occasions |
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| 16:37.48 | fongseiyuc | moof2, after make menuconfig: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-002 kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 16:38.22 | fongseiyuc | then i installed the *.deb with dpkg -i |
| 16:38.28 | phox | hey. what's up with /etc/security/limits.d/ ? it's undocumented other than a mention of its existence in limits.conf(5), and it doesn't seem to have any effect on anything, at least without running something to re-read it, which would also fall under 'undocumented' if it's necessary |
| 16:38.29 | fongseiyuc | deb's |
| 16:38.53 | zerick | moof2: I suspect is the NIC module because when I don't start the network I got kernel panic |
| 16:38.58 | moof2 | fongseiyuc, they were in ..? |
| 16:39.18 | fongseiyuc | moof2, they where in ? |
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| 16:39.27 | fongseiyuc | moof2, /usr/src |
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| 16:40.01 | zerick | moof2: sorry, I didn't get kernel panic |
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| 16:43.01 | moof2 | ok, fongseiyuc, is the kernel you built showing up in the grub menu? |
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| 16:43.19 | fongseiyuc | moof2, i have an extra partition for /boot .. if thats worth mentioning |
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| 16:43.27 | fongseiyuc | moof2, yes |
| 16:43.47 | Section58 | Premature end of script headers: index.php <-- has this come up with recent stuff recently on upgrades ? |
| 16:43.48 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to mount an NTFS usbpen using a user account but I am getting an error message related to setgid and ntfs-3g. You can check the complete error message together with my fstab here: http://pastebin.com/Nd6yHJqn Let me know if you think that there is any hope to fix it. |
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| 16:44.06 | moof2 | maybe your kernel doesn't have the right stuff in it |
| 16:44.33 | moof2 | what happens when you boot? |
| 16:44.56 | fongseiyuc | moof2, i thought so to, but i used the same config as the one before and just modified some multimedia stuff and toke out reiserfs |
| 16:45.09 | fongseiyuc | moof2, boots up fine |
| 16:45.13 | EmleyMoor | cantoma: Ah, I know your issue. |
| 16:45.14 | moof2 | what does it do you didn't expect and what does it not do that you expected? |
| 16:45.22 | fongseiyuc | am talkin to you now through it |
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| 16:45.32 | cantoma | EmleyMoor, do you know the solution? |
| 16:45.44 | EmleyMoor | There is a solution... hold on... |
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| 16:45.52 | jeep | fongseiyuc, if you mount it as root it works fine ? |
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| 16:45.56 | moof2 | fongseiyuc, it boots, and after the kernel boots, init starts (and does mounting/checking, etc)? |
| 16:46.39 | moof2 | it seems like your kernel build has been successful... |
| 16:47.00 | fongseiyuc | jeep, mount what as root ? |
| 16:47.15 | EmleyMoor | See bug #631504 - you need to recompile the ntfs-3g package with integrated FUSE support. |
| 16:47.29 | fongseiyuc | moof2, yes, execpt for the message on update-grub |
| 16:47.39 | EmleyMoor | #637805 |
| 16:47.40 | jeep | fongseiyuc, sorry meant cantoma |
| 16:47.45 | moof2 | could you show that message one more time? |
| 16:47.50 | fongseiyuc | jeep, :-) ok |
| 16:48.07 | fongseiyuc | moof2, umount: /var/lib/os-prober/mount: not mounted |
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| 16:48.26 | moof2 | is os-prober installed? |
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| 16:49.11 | cantoma | jeep, yes as root is fine |
| 16:49.22 | fongseiyuc | moof2, yes |
| 16:49.29 | fongseiyuc | moof2, never heard of it |
| 16:49.29 | cantoma | jeep, it is only as user that I have the problem |
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| 16:49.36 | fongseiyuc | moof2, where did that come from |
| 16:49.39 | fongseiyuc | :-) |
| 16:49.53 | fongseiyuc | moof2, is it essential ? |
| 16:50.17 | moof2 | hmm. os-prober helps update-grub by finding things like windows loaders and adds them to the grub menu |
| 16:50.18 | fongseiyuc | doesnt sound like it |
| 16:50.47 | jeep | cantoma, i used a udev rule to mount it for me |
| 16:50.56 | fongseiyuc | moof2, i purged it |
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| 16:51.04 | cantoma | jeep, but will that work for any usbpen? |
| 16:51.05 | fongseiyuc | moof2, looks good now :-) |
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| 16:51.11 | fongseiyuc | moof2, thanx a million |
| 16:51.13 | robertzaccour | Is there a debian channel for ideas? |
| 16:51.22 | moof2 | ok... (nervous)... try rebooting |
| 16:51.24 | robertzaccour | I have a great idea for Debian |
| 16:51.30 | fongseiyuc | moof2, ok |
| 16:51.30 | jeep | cantoma, yeah |
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| 16:51.35 | fongseiyuc | see ya i a bit |
| 16:51.40 | ChibaPet | robertzaccour: open a bug as a wishlist maybe? then it'll get tracked |
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| 16:51.47 | cantoma | jeep, so can you just show me how I can make it? |
| 16:51.47 | jeep | cantoma, give me minute see if i can find what i did |
| 16:51.51 | cantoma | ok |
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| 16:52.06 | robertzaccour | Ok what about just general chat regarding Debian? |
| 16:52.32 | moof2 | #debian-social and #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:53.28 | fongseiyuc | moof2, worked great!!! |
| 16:53.36 | fongseiyuc | moof2, thanx again ;-) |
| 16:53.40 | moof2 | great :) |
| 16:53.51 | fongseiyuc | see ya |
| 16:54.07 | moof2 | all I did mostly was listen to ya... |
| 16:54.19 | fongseiyuc | kool |
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| 16:55.18 | FrenlySeal | helo gaize |
| 16:55.28 | FrenlySeal | i got wheezy on macbook air |
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| 16:55.41 | FrenlySeal | but i instaled w out internet |
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| 16:55.59 | FrenlySeal | but now i have thunderbol to ethernet pluged in |
| 16:56.02 | FrenlySeal | what do i do? |
| 16:56.04 | moof2 | so then you would consider configuring the net |
| 16:56.04 | jeep | cantoma, http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=14977.0 |
| 16:56.05 | FrenlySeal | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaalp |
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| 16:57.02 | FrenlySeal | does it need drivers? |
| 16:57.08 | FrenlySeal | for that adapter? |
| 16:57.08 | moof2 | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaalp to the gaize... like a face full of paize |
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| 16:57.24 | moof2 | look at ifconfig -a |
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| 16:57.31 | moof2 | to see what interfaces there are |
| 16:57.47 | FrenlySeal | yes i already did |
| 16:57.48 | jeep | cantoma, here is a diffrent method more debian specific http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=78973 |
| 16:57.52 | FrenlySeal | what am i looking for? |
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| 16:58.01 | FrenlySeal | i just see lo |
| 16:58.09 | moof2 | with ifconfig -a? |
| 16:58.10 | FrenlySeal | perhaps eth0 wasnt added at all |
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| 16:58.13 | FrenlySeal | yeah |
| 16:58.20 | FrenlySeal | since i chose no network card |
| 16:58.25 | moof2 | I guess that's possible |
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| 16:58.37 | FrenlySeal | i realy dun wana take the easy route and reinstall |
| 16:58.38 | moof2 | so it installed the base from the cd? |
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| 16:58.43 | FrenlySeal | right |
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| 16:58.59 | FrenlySeal | i instaled the official release right when it came out |
| 16:59.03 | FrenlySeal | from usb |
| 16:59.06 | moof2 | ok... run this: lspci -nn |
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| 16:59.10 | moof2 | and look at it |
| 16:59.13 | Rapp | hi everybody |
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| 16:59.23 | moof2 | see if any of the lines are for the net |
| 16:59.25 | Rapp | does debian use a source control system for managing the packages? |
| 16:59.34 | FrenlySeal | yes |
| 16:59.38 | moof2 | some packages do |
| 16:59.40 | FrenlySeal | i got thunderbolt |
| 16:59.51 | cantoma | jeep, i see both now. the first one requires loads of kungfu and the second one is telling me to remove the line in fstab. |
| 16:59.59 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, could you copy/paste just that one line? |
| 17:00.07 | Rapp | if so, where can i find it? |
| 17:00.16 | FrenlySeal | broadcom for ethernet |
| 17:00.21 | cantoma | jeep, if i remove that line from fstab then i don't have a mount point to mount the usbpen |
| 17:00.28 | FrenlySeal | bcm57762 |
| 17:00.57 | Rapp | found it (for alsa-base, which i was looking for): http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-base/ |
| 17:01.02 | moof2 | Rapp, some people use source control, some don't |
| 17:01.26 | phox | can anyone comment on how to _exclude_ a user from a limit in limits.conf ? |
| 17:01.43 | Dark_light | I can't send emails with kmail and gmail |
| 17:02.37 | jeep | cantoma, fstab is for permant drives |
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| 17:03.59 | cantoma | jeep, so you recommend me to edit the udev rules in my wheezy exactly as it says in the first post |
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| 17:04.18 | cantoma | it also says So integrity of your data is at risk if you use the following method |
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| 17:04.28 | cantoma | so .. is it safe? |
| 17:04.44 | FrenlySeal | so what can i do |
| 17:05.21 | jeep | cantoma, sorry gotta bolt i used the udev method i gave you method first |
| 17:05.21 | FrenlySeal | isnt there sumthin ican install from usb |
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| 17:05.32 | mtn | dpkg: tell Dark_light about ask |
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| 17:05.55 | cantoma | jeep, one thing. first it tell me to "Change "/etc/udev/rules.d/98-tc.rules" but this riles does not exist |
| 17:06.01 | cantoma | does that matter? |
| 17:06.10 | cantoma | riles => file |
| 17:06.25 | Dark_light | mtn: there's really nothing else to add I configured it as described online and it doesn't have any output it acts as if sending but the mails never get to destination |
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| 17:07.08 | mtn | Dark_light: no time outs or error messages? |
| 17:07.12 | phox | anyone? =/ |
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| 17:07.39 | Dark_light | mtn: nothing, it's setup with smtp.gmail.com TLS port: 587 Authentication:PLAIN |
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| 17:08.19 | mtn | Dark_light: must be something wrong with the setup for the smtp server. maybe try a different one |
| 17:08.21 | moof2 | phox, maybe if you mention the user first |
| 17:08.45 | Dark_light | mtn: I have mailboxes on gmail |
| 17:08.53 | moof2 | check the man page for the limits file format to verify that order is significant, and what effect it has |
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| 17:09.31 | cantoma | so anyone else knows how I can mount a NTFS usbpen without root in debian wheezy? You can check the complete error message together with my fstab here: http://pastebin.com/Nd6yHJqn |
| 17:09.39 | phox | moof2: tried both orders, no luck. there doesn't seem to be any mention of _what_ the order does, although the pam_limits manpage goes as far as to confirm that the ordering of things in /etc/security/limits.d/ are a certain way so you'd THINK the order mattered, but... it doesn't seem to |
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| 17:09.45 | mtn | Dark_light: you don't have to use their smtp, but maybe go ask them what is wrong with the setup |
| 17:10.18 | FrenlySeal | moff |
| 17:10.21 | FrenlySeal | moof2: |
| 17:10.23 | EmleyMoor | cantoma: Tried without the /dev/sdb1 line? |
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| 17:10.41 | phox | cantoma: you probably want to add a line in fstab with option 'user' and have its device field point to something under /dev/disk/by-uuid/ or possibly /dev/disk/by-id/ (you should look into how and why those will and won't continue working seamlessly) |
| 17:10.42 | cantoma | EmleyMoor, yes i delete the line but now nothing happens |
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| 17:11.09 | phox | and probably type 'ntfs-3g' particularly if you want writable NTFS.... |
| 17:11.40 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, run this: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 17:11.46 | FrenlySeal | i did |
| 17:12.04 | cantoma | phox, ok but what is uuid? and where can i get it? |
| 17:12.18 | phox | cantoma: do you have the drive? |
| 17:12.27 | cantoma | phox, i have the usb drive yes |
| 17:12.45 | moof2 | ok, copy/paste those lines into http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:12.48 | phox | cantoma: plug it in. ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ or /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 17:12.55 | moof2 | how many lines were there? |
| 17:13.22 | phox | and compare to 'dmesg | tail' or something if you're not sure what /dev/sd* it actually is |
| 17:13.38 | cantoma | phox, i guess this is it 23A5E1681A4896B5 -> ../../sdb1 |
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| 17:14.03 | phox | cantoma: sounds plausible. 'grep sdb1 /proc/partitions' might also be informative to confirm |
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| 17:14.31 | cantoma | phox, it says 8 17 7740936 sdb1 |
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| 17:14.42 | phox | so it's an 8GB flash drive I presume |
| 17:14.55 | cantoma | phox, yes |
| 17:15.09 | phox | anywho, from there construct an fstab line as you'd expect... 'UUID=23A5E1681A4896B5 /mnt/foo ntfs-3g user 0 0' |
| 17:15.12 | phox | or something like that. |
| 17:15.53 | phox | I can't remember offhand if you need to have the user in a particular group or something to let them mount 'user'-mountable filesystems, or have them own the dir or something like that |
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| 17:16.03 | phox | so you might have to look into that if it doesn't Just Work |
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| 17:17.11 | cantoma | phox, i know that the root owns the usb0 directory in /media folder |
| 17:17.30 | cantoma | phox, so the entry in fstab should be like this: UUID=23A5E1681A4896B5 /media/usb0 ntfs-3g user 0 0 |
| 17:17.38 | FrenlySeal | mooooooofie |
| 17:17.43 | FrenlySeal | help a frend |
| 17:17.49 | FrenlySeal | :D |
| 17:18.07 | phox | cantoma: pretty much yaeh |
| 17:18.11 | FrenlySeal | i cant paste |
| 17:18.24 | phox | see if it works. as I said I don't remember if there's something special you have to do to allow specific users to do it. |
| 17:18.27 | FrenlySeal | this is ethernet bcm57762 |
| 17:18.30 | FrenlySeal | moof2: |
| 17:18.33 | FrenlySeal | ^ |
| 17:18.33 | cantoma | phox, it still gives the same error |
| 17:18.35 | cantoma | strange |
| 17:18.37 | phox | also obviously try it as root to make sure it's simply set up right to mount it at all |
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| 17:18.47 | phox | hm |
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| 17:21.37 | cantoma | phox, in resume this is everything i did |
| 17:21.38 | cantoma | http://pastebin.com/WyapJ5NL |
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| 17:23.17 | phox | looks |
| 17:23.25 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, do you notice there are these things in the output that look like [qwer:1234]? |
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| 17:24.57 | phox | cantoma: assuming that message is correct, looks like some package had wrong bits on your ntfs-3g binary |
| 17:25.24 | phox | cantoma: what do you get from: ls -l $(which ntfs-3g) |
| 17:25.44 | phox | hopes someone somewhere knows about limits.conf |
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| 17:25.54 | cantoma | phox, it says -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 59928 Aug 4 2012 /bin/ntfs-3g |
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| 17:26.20 | moof2 | phox, have you read man 5 limits.conf? |
| 17:26.40 | phox | moof2: yeah I didn't see squat about this although I didn't read every single word |
| 17:27.01 | phox | cantoma: yeah, interesting. run: chmod u-s $(which ntfs-3g) |
| 17:27.06 | phox | cantoma: then try mounting |
| 17:27.08 | cantoma | phox, wait it is now mounted because i was copying something |
| 17:27.09 | cantoma | as root |
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| 17:27.14 | phox | k |
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| 17:27.32 | cantoma | phox, i had problems before because i needed to copy a 5 GB iso file |
| 17:27.49 | cantoma | phox, so the answer was to format the usb pen as NTFS |
| 17:27.50 | phox | afk for a few mins here |
| 17:27.54 | phox | cantoma: yes |
| 17:28.03 | phox | FAT32 = 4GB size limit |
| 17:28.08 | cantoma | yes |
| 17:28.08 | FrenlySeal | moof2: did u see the number i pasted |
| 17:28.14 | phox | wonder if exfat has that too, and if exfat works on Leenooks... hm |
| 17:28.18 | phox | probably still has the limit |
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| 17:28.26 | phox | brb. |
| 17:28.27 | moof2 | looking... |
| 17:28.46 | cantoma | phox, the pen before was fat and I never had problems |
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| 17:28.52 | moof2 | bcm7???? |
| 17:28.59 | FrenlySeal | yes |
| 17:29.05 | \\Mr_C\\ | anyone got the radeon hd 4650 hdmi audio to work on debian? |
| 17:29.08 | FrenlySeal | both r bcm but diff numbers |
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| 17:29.18 | moof2 | ok, so (again) get the number from lspci -nn |
| 17:29.24 | cantoma | phox, before i also tried ext3 but then i need to pass files between this pc and windows, hence it is not a good option |
| 17:29.25 | phox | cantoma: I checked, apparently ntfs-3g on systems here is not SUID so that definitely should not break anything |
| 17:29.43 | phox | cantoma: there are good ext2/3 drivers for Windows :) |
| 17:29.47 | phox | crossmeta and whatever else |
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| 17:29.54 | phox | but yeah. no truly universal filesystem. |
| 17:30.05 | phox | NTFS still not writable on OS X, last I checked at least, etc. |
| 17:30.19 | cantoma | phox, well but i cannot force other people to install them |
| 17:30.22 | phox | anywho see how it goes when you change the permission bits there |
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| 17:30.34 | simply | Hi, gnome-desktop is installed in my wheezy . Now i also installed firmware for my wireless card. I rebooted network-manager but i still cannot make the wireless work. |
| 17:30.41 | cantoma | phox, like if i go to a classroom i will need to plug it to a random windows pc |
| 17:30.50 | phox | nods |
| 17:30.52 | teraflops | i have a 5xxx running \\Mr_C\\ recognized as amd hdmi and works fine |
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| 17:31.09 | \\Mr_C\\ | did you install anything extra? |
| 17:31.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | the video works, but i get segmentation fault when trying to play a video |
| 17:31.29 | FrenlySeal | moof2: ok i tried to run debian installer again |
| 17:31.43 | FrenlySeal | and it wont find anything either |
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| 17:31.46 | brimstone | i'm not seeing php5-json in the NEW queue anymore, or in any suites, where can i find an update to its status? |
| 17:31.48 | FrenlySeal | so no point in reinstalling |
| 17:32.04 | teraflops | no, but may be the onboard card had the same chip \\Mr_C\\ |
| 17:32.15 | moof2 | so, did you run lspci -nn and show the numbers in []? |
| 17:33.15 | FrenlySeal | this is ethernet bcm57762 |
| 17:33.25 | FrenlySeal | i pasted like a milion times |
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| 17:33.41 | cantoma | phox, probably it was better just to break the iso file in two .. loooll |
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| 17:33.57 | phox | casheew: or that. or compress it :) |
| 17:34.25 | phox | cat foo.iso | pbzip2 > /media/usbthing/foo.iso.bz2 :P |
| 17:34.34 | phox | + install 7zip on stuff so you can unpack that |
| 17:35.21 | phox | er. wrong nick. |
| 17:35.23 | moof2 | I guess we're having what Led Zeppelin would call a communication breakdown... you keep asking for help with a hardware issue,,, I keep asking for the lspci -nn output, you keep not giving it to me... so, I don't see how or why I'm special... anyone can help from this point |
| 17:35.38 | teraflops | \\Mr_C\\: *same audio chip |
| 17:35.53 | \\Mr_C\\ | oh |
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| 17:36.21 | moof2 | and, I get that you can't paste, but the number is short |
| 17:37.03 | moof2 | so, not getting what the block is |
| 17:37.20 | FrenlySeal | this is ethernet bcm57762 |
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| 17:37.29 | FrenlySeal | r u not seeing this |
| 17:37.38 | moof2 | that's not the question I'm asking |
| 17:37.38 | FrenlySeal | bcm57762 |
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| 17:37.42 | phox | FrenlySeal: there's an 8-digit hex number with a colon in the middle that's the PCI ID |
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| 17:37.50 | FrenlySeal | oh |
| 17:37.53 | phox | FrenlySeal: not the model # |
| 17:37.59 | phox | there's yer failure to communicate |
| 17:38.12 | moof2 | I knew it was somewhere! |
| 17:38.12 | phox | not _some_ number, gotta tell people specifically what you're after |
| 17:38.28 | phox | all of the Intel ones you'll see start with 8086 because they think they're clever :) |
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| 17:38.52 | FrenlySeal | 14e4:1682 |
| 17:38.54 | phox | so if you have an Intel CPU it'll have tons of noisy spew from lspci about the 8 billion little bits of PCI-addressable garbage their chips come with now :P |
| 17:38.55 | FrenlySeal | ^ |
| 17:38.59 | phox | looks about right |
| 17:39.04 | phox | defers to moof2 |
| 17:39.06 | moof2 | is that the wired or wireless? |
| 17:39.10 | FrenlySeal | wired |
| 17:39.17 | FrenlySeal | netXtreme |
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| 17:39.21 | moof2 | ok, let's see |
| 17:39.34 | moof2 | , pciid 14e4:1682 |
| 17:39.35 | judd | [14e4:1682] is 'NetXtreme BCM57762 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1682 |
| 17:39.49 | phox | yeah, tigon 3 |
| 17:39.51 | phox | I had a few of those |
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| 17:40.02 | moof2 | did you install wheezy? |
| 17:40.09 | FrenlySeal | yes |
| 17:40.14 | phox | ha, no known in wheezy? so I guess it got pulled from the kernel somehow. |
| 17:40.23 | moof2 | ok, could you show the pciid from the wireless? |
| 17:40.45 | moof2 | phox, it was working before? |
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| 17:41.02 | phox | hm? |
| 17:41.06 | phox | it? |
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| 17:41.11 | phox | tg3 used to work |
| 17:41.16 | moof2 | you say it may have gotten pulled? |
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| 17:41.29 | phox | this suggests that either kernel.org removed or renamed it, OR debian just didn't build it |
| 17:41.32 | phox | looks |
| 17:41.33 | FrenlySeal | 14e4:4353 |
| 17:41.36 | FrenlySeal | wireless |
| 17:41.44 | moof2 | ok, let's take a look |
| 17:41.52 | FrenlySeal | bcm43224 |
| 17:42.00 | moof2 | , pciid 14e4:4353 |
| 17:42.01 | judd | [14e4:4353] is 'BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcmsmac' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4353 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 17:42.27 | moof2 | try: modprobe 'brcmsmac' |
| 17:43.09 | FrenlySeal | nothing |
| 17:43.13 | moof2 | do you have an AP you're using? |
| 17:43.20 | FrenlySeal | AP? |
| 17:43.22 | moof2 | then so far, so GOOD |
| 17:43.29 | moof2 | access point |
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| 17:43.34 | FrenlySeal | no |
| 17:43.47 | moof2 | oh, no wireless in your room? |
| 17:43.50 | mumpitzel | moof2: it needs firmware |
| 17:44.05 | FrenlySeal | yes i have wifi |
| 17:44.22 | cantoma | phox, thanks. I am going to make it fat |
| 17:44.25 | moof2 | mumpitzel, how might he get the firmware? |
| 17:44.27 | FrenlySeal | access point is something else tho |
| 17:44.34 | phox | cantoma: k |
| 17:44.42 | phox | cantoma: then it'll work on a Mac too :) |
| 17:44.54 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, look at dmesg | tail |
| 17:44.56 | phox | moof2: I confirmed that tg3 still exists in 3.2.2 on another box... |
| 17:45.00 | cantoma | phox, yes i thought about that to |
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| 17:45.05 | mumpitzel | moof2: usb stick? |
| 17:45.15 | mumpitzel | !BCM43224 |
| 17:45.16 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43224 (PCI ID 14e4:4353) - incorrectly identified as BCM4353 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. For device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. Alternatively supported by the <wl> driver. |
| 17:45.36 | mumpitzel | hmm.. would be the first broadcom without needing firmware |
| 17:45.51 | FrenlySeal | ok so |
| 17:45.54 | FrenlySeal | how can i install this |
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| 17:45.57 | moof2 | so he's got the module inserted |
| 17:46.31 | phox | so yeah, tg3 module does exist in Wheezy; the bot here is just ignorant of that fact |
| 17:46.34 | phox | /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3.ko |
| 17:46.36 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, looks like you already have the wireless driver activated |
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| 17:46.45 | FrenlySeal | umm |
| 17:46.46 | moof2 | the modprobe did it |
| 17:46.48 | phox | unless you have a different kernel package release |
| 17:47.03 | moof2 | can you show us uname -r? |
| 17:47.20 | phox | me? |
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| 17:47.40 | FrenlySeal | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:47.40 | moof2 | phox, if you want :) but also frenlyseal |
| 17:47.40 | FrenlySeal | lol |
| 17:47.45 | phox | so same as here, so he(?) has tg3 module, or should |
| 17:47.51 | FrenlySeal | umm? |
| 17:48.11 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, try ifconfig -a again... anything change? |
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| 17:48.15 | FrenlySeal | no |
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| 17:49.02 | moof2 | ok, try: modprobe tg3 |
| 17:49.21 | teraflops | tg3 firmware is in nonfree firmware |
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| 17:56.41 | FrenlySeal | brb |
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| 17:58.34 | moof2 | teraflops, so firmware-linux-nonfree? |
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| 17:59.33 | teraflops | yep |
| 17:59.41 | petn-randall | I'm trying to wrap my head around dracut: ip=<client-IP>:_<server-IP>_:_<gateway-IP>_:_<netmask>_:_<client_hostname>_:_<interface>_:_{none|off|dhcp|on|any|dhcp6|auto6|ibft}_[:[<mtu>][:_<macaddr>_]] |
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| 18:00.08 | moof2 | that looks like a config setting |
| 18:00.21 | petn-randall | This is the parameter to configure a network interface. Unfortunately, the man page doesn't say what is meant with client and server IP. :( Any ideas? |
| 18:00.22 | moof2 | or the generic syntax for specifying one |
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| 18:00.39 | FrenlySeal | crap |
| 18:00.43 | FrenlySeal | im so stuck |
| 18:01.00 | FrenlySeal | even dpkg-scanpackages not worky |
| 18:01.40 | moof2 | my shower's going... if ifconfig -a doesn't change, I'm not sure what's going on with your system |
| 18:02.06 | zerick | how could I run fsck while booting |
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| 18:02.22 | moof2 | tries to prioritize... should I walk my turtle first, or take a shower first? |
| 18:03.32 | petn-randall | zerick: Usually it's enough to do "touch /forcefsck", see man shutdown for details. |
| 18:03.51 | petn-randall | zerick: This will force a check of that filesystem on next boot. |
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| 18:04.09 | petn-randall | FrenlySeal: Provide details! What did you do to get stuck? Where are you stuck? |
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| 18:04.33 | FrenlySeal | tryin to install wireless or wired network |
| 18:04.37 | FrenlySeal | on macbook air |
| 18:04.50 | FrenlySeal | since it didnt find it on install |
| 18:04.52 | moof2 | hands petn-randall the package murky-waters-utils |
| 18:05.02 | petn-randall | falls over |
| 18:05.16 | FrenlySeal | its ok gaize |
| 18:05.20 | FrenlySeal | hang in ther |
| 18:05.23 | petn-randall | I think you'll need four people to carry this! |
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| 18:05.42 | moof2 | amazing... turtle walked himself... shower it is! |
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| 18:06.02 | teraflops | FrenlySeal: when i install debian on a macbook i allways have the broadcom wireless firmware in a penfrive and use a net install |
| 18:06.14 | SARC | I am having some issues with gcc/g++ on wheezy that I never had before in squeeze. After installing the gcc, g++, and build-essential packages, I am getting an error: "program g++ not found in PATH" |
| 18:06.15 | FrenlySeal | oh |
| 18:06.16 | teraflops | s/pendrive |
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| 18:06.17 | tomw1 | hi |
| 18:06.20 | FrenlySeal | teraflops: i can do that |
| 18:06.28 | FrenlySeal | can u tell me where to get it |
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| 18:06.42 | nikmono | hello |
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| 18:06.55 | petn-randall | SARC: what does 'which g++' say? |
| 18:07.00 | tomw1 | I have a Realtek RTL8191SU but it doesn't work in the Debian installer. The firmware iso also doesn't support it. What can I do? |
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| 18:07.21 | teraflops | simpli get te firmware file and during install plug the usb when prompted FrenlySeal |
| 18:07.28 | FrenlySeal | tomw1: i think ur even more screwd |
| 18:07.30 | petn-randall | tomw1: paste 'lspci -nn' to http://paste.debian.net, please. |
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| 18:07.46 | tomw1 | petn-randall: it's a USB |
| 18:07.48 | FrenlySeal | teraflops: where? |
| 18:08.06 | tomw1 | petn-randall: lsusb? |
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| 18:08.37 | tomw1 | petn-randall: actually that isn't possible I don't have a working Linux OS on the machine |
| 18:08.44 | SARC | petn-randall: 'which g++' says '/usr/bin/g++' |
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| 18:09.31 | teraflops | FrenlySeal: simply a pendrive with the firmware file in it |
| 18:09.47 | FrenlySeal | omfg bro |
| 18:09.56 | FrenlySeal | I SAID WHERE IS THE FIRMWERE |
| 18:10.01 | teraflops | ah ok |
| 18:10.07 | FrenlySeal | WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD IT???? |
| 18:10.13 | FrenlySeal | jesus |
| 18:10.17 | FrenlySeal | lol |
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| 18:10.38 | teraflops | FrenlySeal: over the internet or if you have another debian get the package |
| 18:11.15 | tomw1 | FrenlySeal: here you go: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:11.24 | zophyx | and i say to you yuoung amaniclecle perseververe the hindrncsnce upon thy maiden thigh |
| 18:11.31 | FrenlySeal | wow |
| 18:11.41 | zophyx | 6res5u8ryifoui |
| 18:11.52 | FrenlySeal | the friken firmware |
| 18:11.56 | FrenlySeal | where can i dl it |
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| 18:12.05 | FrenlySeal | r u gaize messing w me? |
| 18:12.32 | tomw1 | FrenlySeal: see the link? |
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| 18:12.49 | FrenlySeal | link of what? |
| 18:12.52 | FrenlySeal | netinstall? |
| 18:12.54 | tomw1 | FrenlySeal: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:13.04 | tomw1 | it is the firmware iso |
| 18:13.09 | FrenlySeal | oh |
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| 18:13.21 | tomw1 | it has to be netinstall, there are no other full isos with firmware :( |
| 18:13.43 | FrenlySeal | oh cool |
| 18:13.59 | FrenlySeal | is there any way i can jus dl the firmware |
| 18:14.03 | FrenlySeal | by itself |
| 18:14.07 | petn-randall | SARC: Then whatever you're trying to do is broken. |
| 18:14.15 | ompaul | packages.debian.org |
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| 18:14.33 | FrenlySeal | url? |
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| 18:14.46 | ompaul | it is |
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| 18:16.05 | tomw1 | FrenlySeal: What firmware do you need? |
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| 18:16.23 | tomw1 | FrenlySeal: it would probably best just to install that iso instead of searching for packages |
| 18:16.45 | teraflops | FrenlySeal: honestly dont remember, i think it was on a ubuntu wiki |
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| 18:18.00 | FrenlySeal | bcm43224 |
| 18:18.02 | FrenlySeal | this guy |
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| 18:19.35 | Vicissitude | broadcom? |
| 18:19.41 | teraflops | yep |
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| 18:20.12 | FrenlySeal | http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 18:20.20 | FrenlySeal | which option would be the easiest |
| 18:20.27 | FrenlySeal | there is 3 options now |
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| 18:20.34 | fbe | hi |
| 18:20.57 | FrenlySeal | which can put all packages so i dont have to get them from the net |
| 18:21.00 | FrenlySeal | obviously |
| 18:21.05 | FrenlySeal | i mean deps |
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| 18:21.39 | fbe | i set net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra = 2 in my sysctl.conf, but when i start my ppp0 interface (a pppoe connection) the accept_ra value for it is set to 1. currently i'm setting it in my rc.local back to 2, but i don't think that this is a nice solution. whats going wrong there? why can't i set it with sysctl? |
| 18:21.47 | chuckkh | Hi! I've compiled kernels with Molnar's rt preempt patch many, many times, but I see Wheezy now has a precompiled rt preempt kernel. But all Google searches I can find either show only basic info about the package or else talk about how to compile a rt kernel. Anyone know where I can find info about using this kernel without crashing my comp? Thanky |
| 18:22.07 | Dagger2 | fbe: what about net.ipv6.conf.default.accept_ra? |
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| 18:22.51 | fbe | Dagger2: oh, didn't see that this option exists. i'll give it a try, brb... |
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| 18:25.04 | fbe | Dagger2: ok, that works! thank you! |
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| 18:27.34 | FrenlySeal | omg im gona feel like a nub |
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| 18:27.41 | FrenlySeal | if i have to netinstall this |
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| 18:29.35 | ompaul | FrenlySeal: feel like a noob and then tell yourself it rocks |
| 18:29.55 | FrenlySeal | i dun wana be a noooooooooooooooooob |
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| 18:30.02 | FrenlySeal | :~~~~~~ |
| 18:30.10 | nvz | chuckkh: what exactly is it you want to know? There is no reason I can think of to believe anything in the Wheezy repos is gonna crash your computer |
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| 18:30.51 | ompaul | FrenlySeal: it is over 30 years since I first started typing (closer 35) and I can say with some degree of authority, no harm in using netinstall it rocks |
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| 18:31.12 | FrenlySeal | well yeah but |
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| 18:31.19 | FrenlySeal | my batery is dying |
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| 18:31.31 | FrenlySeal | plus i jus wanted to learn how to install w out internet |
| 18:31.37 | FrenlySeal | linux makes it way to easy |
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| 18:31.50 | FrenlySeal | i feel like i havent learned anything in a while |
| 18:31.52 | FrenlySeal | using linux |
| 18:32.14 | FrenlySeal | no1 here even knows how to use apt-zip |
| 18:32.15 | chuckkh | Just crashed on me now. Is there anything specific to know about the Wheezy repo version of the rt kernel or can I search for general info on rt preempt kernels? |
| 18:32.51 | phy1729 | groups $(whoami) shows me to be in the sudo group and the %sudo ALL... line is in the sudoers file, but I can't sudo (user not in the sudoers file) |
| 18:33.14 | nvz | chuckkh: nothing that I can think of.. there is however something specific I think you need to know about getting help from people who don't know whats going on.. which is that you need to tell us what the problem is ;) |
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| 18:33.54 | chuckkh | nvz: OK, thanks. |
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| 18:34.35 | nvz | you're being horribly vague about both your situation and what your real question is. Try elaborating on this "crash" |
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| 18:35.00 | factor | I am trying to compile lincity. I did the apt-get build-dep lincity-ng but it still wont compile. But go tthe source from the site, whatis the comand to get the source from debian |
| 18:35.44 | factor | I guess apt-get source , see if this compile works |
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| 18:36.11 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, right, I don't know how to use apt-zip since I never have before |
| 18:36.19 | Pei | you need source urls in the repo config |
| 18:36.20 | nvz | factor: pulling build deps for a debian souce package may not reflect the needs of an upstream source package.. as the dependencies could've changed |
| 18:36.23 | chuckkh | I'm running the 3.2.0-4 rt amd64 kernel and experiencing many lockups and crashes. I know rt preempt kernels can be dangerous like that, but I'm specifically looking for any info, docs, experience, etc. on this particular Debian pkg, because I've compiled such kernels on my own before but this one may be special. I have no idea because I cannot locate this information using any search engines. |
| 18:36.25 | moof2 | have you read through man apt-zip? |
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| 18:37.22 | factor | nvz downloading the source from debian, but it fails on openGL , would think that would be std. |
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| 18:37.39 | Pei | : deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 18:37.42 | hyppias | I have some filen in /var/log with group xxx. I want to change their group in yyy in one command for all. How ? |
| 18:37.50 | hyppias | filen=files |
| 18:38.24 | moof2 | hyppias, man chgrp |
| 18:38.46 | moof2 | caution, some forms of that command are dangerous |
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| 18:39.37 | hyppias | yeah, but i don't want to type every filename...(>20) |
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| 18:39.56 | SARC | petn-randall: It is obviously broken. I am getting an error: "program g++ not found in PATH" |
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| 18:40.30 | moof2 | hyppias, so, use glob wildcards |
| 18:41.00 | factor | No I get the same error when I compile debian source lincity-ng it cant find the open GL files. Although they have been installed |
| 18:41.22 | nvz | factor: idk I'm lost on what you're doing wrong here cause seems to me that this game doesnt even have opengl deps |
| 18:41.25 | factor | What is the build comand for debian to build from its source |
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| 18:41.53 | nvz | most people I believe would use debhelper or dh_make for this kinda thing |
| 18:41.54 | moof2 | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:41.57 | nvz | or that |
| 18:41.58 | nvz | heh |
| 18:42.00 | factor | ok |
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| 18:42.18 | moof2 | to build the package? or to author the packaging? |
| 18:42.21 | rioch | I've just installed debian and would like to use the unstable repository. What do I need to change in sources.lst? I'm a bit confused by what I've read online. |
| 18:42.30 | factor | checking for OpenGL library... no |
| 18:42.31 | factor | configure: error: Couldn't find opengl libraries or headers |
| 18:42.31 | factor | make: *** [config.status] Error 1 |
| 18:42.51 | moof2 | so you need the -dev half to compile with |
| 18:42.52 | factor | that is using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:43.13 | factor | I have the common mesa devs |
| 18:43.27 | factor | apt-get install mesa-common-dev |
| 18:43.33 | moof2 | maybe it's something less common? |
| 18:43.52 | moof2 | what's the first error in the build log? |
| 18:43.52 | factor | Like what |
| 18:44.01 | moof2 | not sure |
| 18:44.12 | moof2 | you tried to build, right? |
| 18:44.20 | factor | yes |
| 18:44.30 | moof2 | and you have a full log of that build? |
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| 18:44.54 | nvz | chuckkh: if you're having obscure lockups you probably need to produce some core dumps and head to lkml... need to learn how to use sysrq if you're not familiar with it. |
| 18:44.55 | moof2 | you can also try getting the build depends |
| 18:45.14 | factor | moof2, how do I do that. |
| 18:45.25 | chuckkh | rioch: I've also been confused by this. Do you want to use *only* unstable, or mix it in with another system? |
| 18:45.28 | moof2 | apt-get build-dep (packagename) |
| 18:45.30 | factor | apt-get build-dep lincity-ng |
| 18:45.33 | hyppias | so with "find /var/log -group xxx" I get a list of all the files i want to change the group of. Now how can I use that to actually change the group of those files? |
| 18:45.35 | factor | yes I didi that. |
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| 18:45.47 | nvz | chuckkh: without any specifics I honestly don't know what else to say. Lockups could be totally unrelated to the rt patch.. could be your GPU hanging and making you think its this for example.. |
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| 18:46.07 | rioch | chuckkh: What do you mean by "use it with another system"? I didn't think I had an option other than to "use unstable". |
| 18:46.18 | factor | What is a simple test to check if I have access to the GL.h and libs. |
| 18:46.19 | moof2 | the version you're building is for the version of debian you have installed? |
| 18:46.24 | factor | D7 |
| 18:46.31 | moof2 | (if you say no, it's adventure time!) |
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| 18:47.00 | moof2 | , file GL.h |
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| 18:47.07 | judd | Search for GL.h in wheezy/i386: [truncated] nvidia-cuda-dev: usr/include/cudaGL.h; libgles1-mesa-dev: usr/include/GLES/egl.h, usr/include/GLES/gl.h; libfltk1.3-dev: usr/include/FL/gl.h, usr/include/FL/gl2opengl.h; libftgl-dev: usr/include/FTGL/ftgl.h; libegl1-mesa-dev: usr/include/EGL/egl.h; libmotif-dev: usr/include/uil/UilSymGl.h; opencl-headers: usr/include/CL/cl_gl.h; nvidia-cg-dev: |
| 18:47.08 | judd | usr/include/Cg/cgGL.h; libcgal-dev: usr/include/CGAL/IO/Qt_widget_OpenGL.h, usr/include/CGAL/Nef_S2/Sphere_geometry_OGL.h, usr/include/CGAL/gl.h; libfltk1.1-dev: usr/include/FL/gl.h, usr/include/FL/gl2opengl.h; mesa-common-dev: usr/include/GL/gl.h; gem-dev: usr/include/Gem/Base/GemGL.h, usr/include/Gem/Gem/GemGL.h; libclanlib-dev: usr/include/ClanLib-1.0/ClanLib/GL/opengl.h, (2 more messages) |
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| 18:48.04 | moof2 | is that the exact file name the build says it wants? |
| 18:48.18 | chuckkh | nvz: well for starters, everything I read says that this package provides headers, source, modules, etc., but apt says it actually provides the kernel; it is 111 MB installed, so I tend to believe it. |
| 18:48.26 | factor | checking the other openGL devs |
| 18:48.39 | chuckkh | nvz: but I don't even know if it's actually a rt-preempt kernel or not. |
| 18:48.39 | factor | gl1 I guess it is , installing a bunch of other deps |
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| 18:49.22 | hyppias | ah found something: "find . -group xxx -exec chgrp yyy {} \;" |
| 18:49.27 | nvz | chuckkh: well that could be determined by examining things like the config and changelog in the package I suppose.. if its really rt-preempt I mean.. as for the other stuff that should be easily determined with dpkg -L |
| 18:49.30 | chuckkh | I don't think another forum would be the place to ask if the Wheezy-provided rt-kernel is an rt-kernel |
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| 18:50.39 | chuckkh | nvz: hmm, ok |
| 18:50.41 | moof2 | hyppias, and what was . when you ran that? |
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| 18:51.19 | hyppias | b b |
| 18:51.27 | hyppias | "/var/log" |
| 18:51.36 | hyppias | without "" |
| 18:51.41 | moof2 | cool... |
| 18:51.56 | moof2 | another way is find /var/log ... |
| 18:52.06 | hyppias | yeah |
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| 18:54.17 | factor | What is the pthreads lib package called in deb |
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| 18:57.10 | atrapado | factor, I think it is included in libc6 |
| 18:57.17 | factor | ok |
| 18:57.37 | factor | the configure for lincity-ng also does not find the header for it |
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| 19:00.58 | atrapado | factor, try installing libc6-dev |
| 19:01.05 | factor | ahh ok good idea |
| 19:01.26 | moof2 | maybe there is a readme for lincity-ng that tells you what libs you need |
| 19:01.50 | moof2 | that could have been in the build deps :) |
| 19:02.14 | factor | getting both64bit and 32bit libc versions |
| 19:02.22 | moof2 | oh, cool |
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| 19:03.00 | moof2 | that's what happens when you install libc6-dev? |
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| 19:03.50 | factor | seem to clear up the pthreads part |
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| 19:04.18 | factor | still no go for openGL , wonder if it has something to do withthe 32bit and 64 bit natures |
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| 19:04.41 | factor | do they have a 32bit open gl dev and 64bit |
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| 19:09.49 | Like | hello good afternoon |
| 19:09.54 | factor | if I do a gcc -lGL it seems to find the lib or not error out on it like if I do a gcc-lnotalib |
| 19:10.57 | Like | who are sedding that: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/i386/iso-dvd/ on torrent |
| 19:11.17 | Like | 8 gb ram |
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| 19:11.35 | jhutchins_wk | Like: Probably nobody is seeding something from archives. |
| 19:12.09 | Like | i cant download on 1 day |
| 19:12.12 | jhutchins_wk | Like: current or especially new releases can be on torrent, but older stuff probably isn't. |
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| 19:14.46 | WormFood | why would mysql-server recommend an email client? |
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| 19:15.03 | roasted | hello friends |
| 19:15.17 | roasted | Testing out wheezy 7 in a VM with KDE... curious about whether or not it's possible to get 4.10 on here. Eh? |
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| 19:15.56 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions kde |
| 19:15.57 | FrenlySeal | ok bros |
| 19:15.57 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 19:15.59 | FrenlySeal | i got it |
| 19:16.08 | FrenlySeal | look at this |
| 19:16.09 | FrenlySeal | dpkg-scanpackages debian /dev/null | gzip > debian/Packages.gz |
| 19:16.18 | FrenlySeal | how kool iz dat |
| 19:16.25 | FrenlySeal | Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list so that it contains the following line: |
| 19:16.26 | FrenlySeal | deb file:/home/usernamefolder/localrepo/linux debian/ |
| 19:16.35 | schwanken | Hello: I try to recover a debian system from a backup. I created the backup from a recovery system and used TAR to save all files from / into it |
| 19:16.40 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions kdebse-data |
| 19:16.41 | judd | No package named 'kdebse-data' was found in i386. |
| 19:16.43 | FrenlySeal | now u can move all ur packages w usb stick from one comp to another |
| 19:16.48 | schwanken | Now I recovered it, and I get errors |
| 19:16.52 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions kdebase-data |
| 19:16.52 | judd | Package: kdebase-data on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2 |
| 19:17.39 | schwanken | http://pastebin.com/msNp1q0z |
| 19:17.44 | jhutchins_wk | !apt clone |
| 19:17.52 | schwanken | Can somebody help me? |
| 19:18.18 | jhutchins_wk | schwanken: You'll have to use an alternative pastebin like paste.debian.org |
| 19:19.09 | schwanken | http://paste.debian.net/8310/ |
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| 19:19.26 | schwanken | I think my mistake was, that I overide the /dev folder also |
| 19:19.28 | Like | downloading thx http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/stat |
| 19:21.16 | nkuttler | schwanken: override /dev ? |
| 19:21.24 | FrenlySeal | whooooheeeehehehehe |
| 19:21.26 | FrenlySeal | :D |
| 19:21.32 | FrenlySeal | super hapy |
| 19:22.03 | Pei | :) |
| 19:22.04 | schwanken | nkuttler: I packet the /dev into the tar and just extracted the whole archive |
| 19:22.12 | schwanken | packed |
| 19:22.15 | Pei | remember when i was talking about http://theb0x.org |
| 19:22.27 | moof2 | sappy hupr? |
| 19:22.32 | schwanken | so I overwrote /dev |
| 19:22.35 | Pei | well i updated it, i got the ownCloud server up |
| 19:22.38 | T4shi | saludos |
| 19:23.01 | FrenlySeal | moooooooooooooooooof |
| 19:23.05 | FrenlySeal | i did it dood |
| 19:23.11 | FrenlySeal | 0___________0 |
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| 19:23.19 | moof2 | good :) so what did you learn? |
| 19:23.19 | Pei | FrenlySeal: YAY! |
| 19:23.20 | nkuttler | FrenlySeal: please stay on topic |
| 19:23.23 | Pei | what did you do |
| 19:23.34 | FrenlySeal | did u see my pastes? |
| 19:23.48 | nkuttler | schwanken: not sure how tar would work in such a case... are you sure you didn't overwrite your HDs? |
| 19:23.57 | FrenlySeal | i jus moved over the /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:24.10 | FrenlySeal | and added it to the sources.list file:/ |
| 19:24.14 | Pei | :) |
| 19:24.16 | FrenlySeal | blah blah |
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| 19:24.38 | moof2 | well, good, so you got it |
| 19:24.50 | moof2 | did you get your networking up? |
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| 19:25.06 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can see my host machine since the vm, Anyone could helpme? |
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| 19:25.30 | roasted | Question - Wheezy 7 came with KDE 4.8. Is Wheezy 7 stuck indefinitely with KDE 4.8, or will it be upgraded in time? |
| 19:25.48 | schwanken | nkuttler: My hoster has a recovery mode, which mounts the hd of my live system in /mnt. The hd had to be changed, so I created a TAR Archive with all folder in /mnt in the recovery system |
| 19:25.49 | FrenlySeal | ok i waas just able to apt-get install linux- broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 19:25.56 | FrenlySeal | now i c wlan |
| 19:25.59 | moof2 | no, wheezy is released, so no new versions |
| 19:26.19 | roasted | :/ |
| 19:26.26 | schwanken | The I reset the server to a clean deabian, and extracted the TAR archive from the recovery system to the live / directory |
| 19:26.27 | somiaj | roasted: stable does not change it's versions. Some things will be provided via backports, but usually the large desktops are to much work to backport and are not provided that way. |
| 19:26.43 | roasted | somiaj: I basically want Debian 7, but with KDE 4.10. |
| 19:26.48 | schwanken | So everything was replaced, and I expected to get my old system back |
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| 19:27.00 | somiaj | roasted: then you will have to build/make/manager kde 4.10 on your own |
| 19:27.05 | schwanken | But what I get are boot errors, as you can see here: http://paste.debian.net/8310/ |
| 19:27.08 | roasted | meh |
| 19:27.09 | somiaj | ,v kde-base |
| 19:27.11 | judd | No package named 'kde-base' was found in i386. |
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| 19:27.31 | moof2 | s/-// |
| 19:27.39 | schwanken | Maybe because the extraction of the TAR archive to the root overwrote the /dev, too |
| 19:27.46 | nkuttler | schwanken: sounds like you want to ask your hoster about the recovery mode... |
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| 19:28.00 | FrenlySeal | shweeeeeeeeeeet |
| 19:28.03 | FrenlySeal | im on LINE |
| 19:28.04 | moof2 | well /dev is generated now |
| 19:28.09 | FrenlySeal | \o/ |
| 19:28.19 | FrenlySeal | macbook air lives |
| 19:28.22 | somiaj | roasted: you could type '/msg dpkg ssbp' and follow the instructions and try to port kde 4.10 from experimential. (: |
| 19:28.32 | FrenlySeal | now to install wired |
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| 19:29.26 | moof2 | FrenlySeal, I gotta go... apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 19:29.40 | moof2 | that should have the firmware for your tg3 |
| 19:30.08 | moof2 | also you mightr want to install a desktop env of some kind or something graphical |
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| 19:30.22 | FrenlySeal | thx moof2 |
| 19:30.36 | schwanken | nkuttler: The recovery mode is not the problem, my question is: Is it possible, that the errors in http://paste.debian.net/8310/ are caused because I overwrote the /dev folder with the /dev folder of my backup |
| 19:30.37 | FrenlySeal | ur a good human |
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| 19:30.57 | moof2 | good -nut5hin-. I'm a GREAT human! |
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| 19:31.08 | moof2 | good. sheesh. |
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| 19:33.26 | Silent | Hi :) |
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| 19:33.42 | Silent | What's the minimum size for a root partition that is still sane? |
| 19:34.00 | Silent | I have 512MB RAM and 10GB HDD |
| 19:35.18 | jhutchins_wk | schwanken: So did you try giving the root password and checking /dev/sda1? |
| 19:35.25 | FrenlySeal | still tho |
| 19:35.30 | FrenlySeal | no one here helped me |
| 19:35.31 | FrenlySeal | lol |
| 19:35.54 | FrenlySeal | it was from a post on a board |
| 19:35.57 | jhutchins_wk | FrenlySeal: We're all just fellow users. |
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| 19:36.10 | FrenlySeal | i thot ppl who made debian are here |
| 19:36.15 | FrenlySeal | :\ |
| 19:36.24 | jhutchins_wk | FrenlySeal: If we happen to have run into your problem before, we may know the answers. Otherwise we just have to apply systematic troublshooting. |
| 19:36.45 | Silent | Is a 5GB root + var gonna be ok? |
| 19:36.50 | jhutchins_wk | FrenlySeal: Some of them drop in once in a while, but nope, mostly just fellow usrers. |
| 19:37.04 | jhutchins_wk | Silent: Depends entirely on what you do with it. |
| 19:37.10 | Silent | OpenVZ server |
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| 19:37.55 | schwanken | jhutchins_wk: I can`t connect to the server, only in the recovery mode |
| 19:37.57 | jhutchins_wk | Silent: I don't know where openvz drops it's data. Remember that web, mail, and database servers use /var for storage. |
| 19:38.11 | schwanken | What I posted is the bootlog... |
| 19:38.43 | jhutchins_wk | Silent: My recommendation is that if you don't know where the data's going to go, you have one partition + swap. You can always rebuild later when you know the usage pattern. |
| 19:39.09 | Silent | I will make another partition for OpenVZ. I just want to know if 5GB is enough for the base system |
| 19:39.44 | mumpitzel | 5GB is fine. |
| 19:39.44 | jhutchins_wk | schwanken: If you can't access the console prior to boot, you're probably sunk. As someone else suggested, time to contact hosting support. |
| 19:40.08 | Silent | Oh about swap - I don't want to make a swap partition, I am low on disk space. Would it be ok if I make a swap file? I heard there's a deamon that will create it on demand |
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| 19:40.17 | Silent | mumpitzel Thanks |
| 19:40.39 | jhutchins_wk | Silent: A swap file doesn't take any less space than a swap partition and is slightly less efficient, but whatever you like. |
| 19:41.00 | schwanken | jhutchins_wk: I did contact them, but they did not anwer yet. Is it possible to tell debian to reinitialize /dev on boot? |
| 19:41.15 | jhutchins_wk | schwanken: I believe it does that by default. |
| 19:41.33 | Silent | I am aware that it doesn't take less space, but it can be created on demand. So if you need little swap it will be small |
| 19:41.40 | jhutchins_wk | schwanken: The message indicates that the filesystem is damaged. |
| 19:41.50 | Silent | How much swap do I need for 512MB ? |
| 19:41.51 | schwanken | ok...so it should not be a problem that I overwrote the /dev folder with the /dev folder of my backup? |
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| 19:42.47 | jhutchins_wk | schwanken: That may not be ideal, but I think it should recover from that on it's own. |
| 19:43.03 | jhutchins_wk | schwanken: That's why you bind-mount /dev for chroot. |
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| 19:47.05 | mechanicalduck_ | hi |
| 19:47.15 | schwanken | jhutchins_wk: thank you... |
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| 19:47.43 | mechanicalduck_ | in #augeas there isn't anyone, so I ask here... |
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| 19:50.02 | DammitJim | is there a mysql package for debian 7 and mysql 5.7? |
| 19:50.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions augeas |
| 19:50.27 | judd | No package named 'augeas' was found in i386. |
| 19:50.34 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions mysql-server |
| 19:50.35 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.31+dfsg-0+wheezy1; jessie: 5.5.31+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.31+dfsg-1 |
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| 19:51.36 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, what does that mean? that there is no 5.7 package? |
| 19:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | mechanicalduck_: You can always ask. |
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| 19:52.18 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions augeas-tools |
| 19:52.19 | judd | Package: augeas-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.2-1; squeeze-backports: 0.10.0-1~bpo60+3; jessie: 0.10.0-1; wheezy: 0.10.0-1; sid: 1.0.0-1 |
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| 19:53.07 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Looks like 5.5 is it. |
| 19:53.14 | DammitJim | alright |
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| 19:53.31 | elvisthedj | Having trouble with a simple script I want to run at bootup. Have tried as both init script and rc.local.. both "run" the script (ps -A shows it).. but it isn't doing its job until I manually start it. Not sure what I'm missing |
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| 19:54.18 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions mysql-server-5.7 |
| 19:54.19 | judd | No package named 'mysql-server-5.7' was found in i386. |
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| 19:55.01 | jhutchins_wk | elvisthedj: Full path for all commands, correct #! interpreter? |
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| 19:55.53 | elvisthedj | jhutchins_wk: yes. In fact, if I manually run /etc/init.d/scriptname start, it works and functions properly. Stops when told as well. |
| 19:56.28 | elvisthedj | jhutchins_wk: http://pastebin.com/MW8imvMC is the script.. I added the 3m sleep before the infinite loop because I thought perhaps it was starting too soon.. made no difference |
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| 19:58.36 | elvisthedj | jhutchins_wk: The only obvious difference I see as that when logged in, I am running the service as me.. Perhaps I should su the commands in the script and run them as me? |
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| 20:02.45 | jhutchins_wk | elvisthedj: scripting with su/sudo has results that I find very hard to predict. I gave up on it. |
| 20:03.10 | jhutchins_wk | elvisthedj: But yes, from init or rc.local it's going to run as root. |
| 20:03.30 | jhutchins_wk | elvisthedj: There is the option of using suid but I don't know much about the details. |
| 20:04.26 | jhutchins_wk | elvisthedj: The other possibility is that the shell environment is different. |
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| 20:05.10 | elvisthedj | jhutchins_wk: su username before the command made it work.. don't know why. It works if I am logged in as root or myself..so I don't get it |
| 20:05.22 | elvisthedj | jhutchins_wk: but since it works, i will likely never have to think about it again :) |
| 20:05.30 | elvisthedj | jhutchins_wk: thanks for your replies |
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| 20:07.49 | factor | I ended up commenting out the GL stuff in lincity-ng and doing a autotool to regen the configure. seem to compile, now to figure out jam |
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| 20:10.56 | Noturno99 | hey guys, have you found the menu editor alternative for gnome 3.8? alacarte does not work here... |
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| 20:19.09 | FrenlySeal | ok leme guess |
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| 20:19.23 | FrenlySeal | wheezy doesnt support thunderbolt ethernet adapter |
| 20:19.34 | FrenlySeal | only usb ethernet adapter |
| 20:19.36 | FrenlySeal | ?? |
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| 20:20.45 | Havis | Hello, I have problem installing boinc package, aptitude install boinc tries to remove stuff like xfce4-plugins xscreensaver vim-gnome libgnomeuid-0 (I am on stable wheezy release amd64 arch) |
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| 20:22.12 | Havis | and I use xfce4 as my desktop environment |
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| 20:27.47 | FrenlySeal | Havis: xfce is too square for me |
| 20:28.13 | FrenlySeal | and they rely killed it w gnome3 |
| 20:28.31 | FrenlySeal | im kinda swapping between mate and gnome3 |
| 20:28.40 | FrenlySeal | since i cant part w compiz |
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| 20:28.48 | Havis | FrenlySeal: actually I can install boinc-client, but not boinc-manager (boinc-manager is the "GUI") |
| 20:28.52 | FrenlySeal | but in mate my theme is messed |
| 20:29.00 | FrenlySeal | so im hating life |
| 20:29.06 | FrenlySeal | rite nau |
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| 20:29.23 | Havis | FrenlySeal, I'm ok with Xfce4 ...dont want to change UI because of boinc |
| 20:29.25 | FrenlySeal | ya so welcome to hate land i guess |
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| 20:31.49 | FrenlySeal | damit gnome |
| 20:31.53 | FrenlySeal | u idiots |
| 20:31.57 | FrenlySeal | what have u done |
| 20:32.33 | ChibaPet | My experience of Gnome 3 has been pretty good so far. |
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| 20:32.46 | FrenlySeal | ya but do u have rotating cube? |
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| 20:32.52 | FrenlySeal | eeeeeeeexactly |
| 20:32.57 | ChibaPet | I live in a rotating cube, yes. |
| 20:33.03 | FrenlySeal | ya sure |
| 20:33.07 | wald0 | what is the "correct" to install in debian ? i have an application that needs to be run as "java -jar" |
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| 20:33.14 | FrenlySeal | how bout do u have wobbly windows? |
| 20:33.19 | FrenlySeal | eeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:33.24 | FrenlySeal | no u dont |
| 20:33.32 | FrenlySeal | U DUNT! |
| 20:33.55 | ChibaPet | True, my environment doesn't seek to actively entertain me. |
| 20:34.03 | FrenlySeal | wald0: apt-get install |
| 20:34.09 | FrenlySeal | wald0: apt-get install jre |
| 20:34.19 | FrenlySeal | or search for it |
| 20:34.28 | FrenlySeal | apt-cache search java |
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| 20:35.04 | FrenlySeal | apt-cache search jre |
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| 20:37.56 | Havis | wald0, if it is custom app, then put it in /usr/local/bin/ and run it from there |
| 20:37.57 | FrenlySeal | anyone know how i can go to the defualt theme in mate |
| 20:38.14 | FrenlySeal | also fix my thumbnailer |
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| 20:38.28 | FrenlySeal | oh crap |
| 20:38.30 | FrenlySeal | he is here |
| 20:38.46 | Havis | FrenlySeal, as far as I know mate is not part of debian ;) |
| 20:38.53 | FrenlySeal | y not |
| 20:39.05 | FrenlySeal | comon |
| 20:39.10 | FrenlySeal | help a friend |
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| 20:40.59 | mitrax | hello, does debian (wheezy) use /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d ? i've added a conf file there with a line to create a dir on startup in /var/run but the directory doesn't get created |
| 20:41.06 | glycol | does anyone here has experience with drbl? |
| 20:42.24 | dondelelcaro | mitrax: no. |
| 20:42.50 | dondelelcaro | mitrax: if some daemon needs a directory in /var/run, its startup script should create it |
| 20:43.21 | mitrax | dondelelcaro: ah... alright, thanks |
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| 20:49.40 | harryfoobar42 | hello |
| 20:50.16 | harryfoobar42 | i get after apt-get update a gpg error |
| 20:50.32 | harryfoobar42 | how can i remove a gpg key ? |
| 20:52.00 | nvz | harryfoobar42: apt-key del keyid |
| 20:52.24 | nvz | harryfoobar42: also easily managed using the synaptic package manager in the repositories |
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| 20:52.52 | harryfoobar42 | ok thanks |
| 20:53.09 | harryfoobar42 | where can i find it in synaptic |
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| 20:53.51 | nvz | harryfoobar42: Settings > Repositories, Authentication tab |
| 20:53.55 | glycol | i get lots of errors like "check_if_root: command not found" with DRBL, are there any better supported remote boot servers? |
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| 20:56.18 | harryfoobar42 | mmh |
| 20:57.22 | harryfoobar42 | i have another problem apt-get update can't check a signatur |
| 20:57.53 | harryfoobar42 | but i can' find this source in the source.list |
| 20:58.21 | harryfoobar42 | Have you any idea ? |
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| 21:02.37 | Niichan | Can you rollback a distribution upgrade from squeeze to sheezy? |
| 21:02.43 | Niichan | Wheezy* |
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| 21:04.41 | phox | so you're hoping about 'to sheezy' as opposed to 'fo sheezy' |
| 21:04.52 | phox | anyone here know pam_limits fairly well? |
| 21:05.40 | mtn | Niichan: no, you will have to reinstall if you want squeeze again |
| 21:06.50 | Niichan | mtn: Ah, I've been having a perl error with upgrading. How would you suggest I fix it? |
| 21:07.20 | mtn | Niichan: no idea, but if you were to actually describe the problem, someone might have an idea |
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| 21:07.30 | Niichan | mtn: Lemme find it |
| 21:08.35 | Niichan | https://gist.github.com/Niichan/8311f55de09495b41c64 |
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| 21:11.25 | harryfoobar42 | <nvz> i have another problem apt-get update can't check a signatur, but i can' find this source in the source.list |
| 21:11.28 | mtn | Niichan: please paste your source.list |
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| 21:12.25 | Niichan | https://gist.github.com/Niichan/e05bf9bcc19bbd2c64a5 |
| 21:13.06 | mtn | Niichan: well, you are using crunchbang and need to go to their channel for support |
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| 21:13.31 | Niichan | mtn: I fail to see the need as all #! is is metapackages, but okay |
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| 21:15.21 | mtn | Niichan: if you just want Debian, you should install it :p |
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| 21:15.42 | Niichan | mtn: Yes, I know, only had a #! usb around at the time i was setting up that machine |
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| 21:18.38 | Niichan | mtn: But yes, how do I get out of the problem of packages refusing to update? |
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| 21:19.13 | ChibaPet | mtn: Start here: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 21:19.40 | mtn | ChibaPet: ?? |
| 21:19.52 | ChibaPet | I said mtn there. I meant Niichan. |
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| 21:20.00 | mtn | ChibaPet: ok |
| 21:20.27 | Niichan | ChibaPet: That is not helpful. How do I resolve a package dependency loop like that? |
| 21:20.41 | ChibaPet | Niichan: Dunno, never used Crunchbang. |
| 21:20.53 | Niichan | ChibaPet: How do I fix that in debian? |
| 21:21.02 | ChibaPet | Niichan: That's just it. You won't see that in Debian. |
| 21:21.08 | mtn | Niichan: by fixing your source.list most likely |
| 21:21.24 | mtn | Niichan: crunchbang folks should know |
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| 21:21.49 | Niichan | mtn: This is literally the first *ever* problem I've had with things like this |
| 21:22.04 | mtn | Niichan: sure, but it happens |
| 21:22.40 | Niichan | mtn: Yes, so how do I *fix* it so I know how to *fix* it in the future? Should I just strike the #! repo from my list? |
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| 21:23.07 | peterrooney | Niichan: if you use advice from #debian on your crunchbang box, DO NOT complain here if it breaks your system or even doesn't work. Crunchbang does its users a disservice to suggest that it's debian. |
| 21:23.12 | mtn | Niichan: I don't know. I don't use it. |
| 21:23.35 | Eulipion | does anyone know if IPAPPEND is a valid argument to pxe a debian box? I cant seem to get the host to send its mac addr |
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| 21:23.45 | Niichan | How do I arbirtarily force a package to upgrade? |
| 21:23.57 | babilen | dpkg: crunchbang |
| 21:23.58 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 21:24.37 | babilen | They have their own channel and we only support pure Debian in here for a number of social and technical reasons. |
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| 21:25.56 | jordilopezamat | Hello :-) |
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| 21:26.47 | peterrooney | Niichan: "Why should I help you break your system?" |
| 21:26.53 | tw | How do I make expect not print ansi cursor location BS when processing? http://pastebin.com/jiMLMHGx see highlighted lines. |
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| 21:27.06 | tw | (wheezy) |
| 21:27.20 | Diranged | Hey I'm in the process of converting our normal dpkg-buildpackage code over to using debuild. I've got most of our builds converted just fine, but one of them is having a problem applying a patch. The patch works fine when i do 'dpkg-buildpackage -b'.. |
| 21:27.21 | ompaul | given the quit message a ban on that ip for a short while might be useful |
| 21:27.27 | jrk | Hello. Anyone here familiar with V4L? |
| 21:28.44 | ompaul | jrk: ask your real question OF THE CHANNEL so that they can work out if what you want is their level of familiar |
| 21:28.59 | jrk | I read description of libv4l-0 package: "The purpose of this (thin) layer is to make it easy for application writers to support a wide variety of devices without having to write separate code for different devices in the same class." Does it mean that without this library every application developer has to know all webcams? |
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| 21:29.48 | jrk | I mean that my bebcam works in MPlayer (mplayer "tv://") but it doesnt work in other apps. |
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| 21:30.54 | jrk | I tried to do LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so but it does not help |
| 21:30.57 | jordilopezamat | I'm facing a ""X: user not authorized to run the X server" ... could anyone give me a hand ? |
| 21:31.15 | ompaul | jordilopezamat: trying to run something as root? |
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| 21:31.32 | jordilopezamat | no ompaul |
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| 21:31.53 | ompaul | jordilopezamat: then please tell us how / what you are doing to get that error |
| 21:32.14 | Euphoriarules | hi all |
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| 21:32.23 | jordilopezamat | the thing is ... i'm now running regular (user1/pwd1) session. |
| 21:32.42 | Eulipion | How do i get a PXE'ing host to send its mac-address when requesting its preseed config? |
| 21:33.18 | tw | Eulipion: it's on lan with the pxe server, the ethernet frame has its mac? |
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| 21:33.34 | jordilopezamat | But i could only do it after entering root account at login, and then 'su - user1' , and then 'startx -- :1' |
| 21:33.35 | ompaul | jordilopezamat: still not explaining what you are doing, if it will take a short essay suggest you put it on paste.debian.net so we can understand you |
| 21:33.58 | Eulipion | it is not necessarily on the smae lan. some docs mention "IPAPPEND" as the debian verion of kssendmac, but its not documented anywhere |
| 21:34.07 | ompaul | jordilopezamat: back scroll is very hard to follow at times |
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| 21:34.39 | jordilopezamat | ompaul i see.. let's pastebin ! |
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| 21:34.57 | ompaul | jordilopezamat: http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:35.08 | letseatcake | hello, i recently did a kernel upgrade to 3.8 and my touch pad on my toshiba laptop doesn't work anymore |
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| 21:35.29 | letseatcake | i am guessing that the kernel module for the touch pad isn't loading, or needs to be built for the new kernel |
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| 21:35.41 | letseatcake | but how do i figure out which kernel module it should be? |
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| 21:36.00 | letseatcake | the touch pad still works on the earlier kernel 3.2 |
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| 21:39.32 | Zitter | hi, how to test my videocard perfomance? |
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| 21:39.59 | piklu | ls |
| 21:40.01 | piklu | sorry |
| 21:40.05 | piklu | anyone here |
| 21:40.06 | piklu | http://pastebin.com/3EWTfn6P |
| 21:40.13 | piklu | this is my Apache Config |
| 21:40.17 | piklu | still I can't resolve my host |
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| 21:43.26 | musca | Zitter: first approach is glxgears |
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| 21:44.06 | SmashingX | somebody knows about webbios here? |
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| 21:45.05 | petn-randall | What's the easiest way to boot a "DOS only tool" to upgrade the HW-Controller firmware? |
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| 21:47.29 | ompaul | petn-randall: freedos? |
| 21:47.39 | ompaul | slightly offtopic answer :) |
| 21:47.44 | tw | Eulipion: well, a cursory overview of RH kickstart says "this flag adds |
| 21:47.54 | tw | X-RHN-Provisioning-MAC-*" header to the request |
| 21:48.02 | petn-randall | piklu: |
| 21:48.13 | tw | Which is not a normal part of the pxe/tftp process. |
| 21:48.18 | musca | petn-randall: doesn't the oem provide bootable usb-images? |
| 21:48.21 | petn-randall | (sorry, network hang) |
| 21:48.55 | piklu | petn-randall: hi |
| 21:49.18 | tw | Eulipion: IPAPPEND does something completely different for PXELINUX; it adds the ip= parameter to your kernel args so your preboot environment can set up networking. It doesn't pass that mac to your server. |
| 21:49.25 | petn-randall | musca: nope |
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| 21:50.07 | jhutchins_wk | tw: That's for when you have a RH Satellite (cobbler) build server on the net. Selects the boot script that runs the installer. |
| 21:50.13 | jordilopezamat | ompaul et al. , i've just posted my little essay on http://pastebin.com/C3B1jaSb , titled "user account X-session privileges self-disabled !?" |
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| 21:50.31 | jhutchins_wk | tw: The mac is used to identify the boot configuration. |
| 21:50.44 | jhutchins_wk | tw: It's a cascading hierarchy that can be lots of fun to figure out. |
| 21:50.54 | jordilopezamat | with the hope of better comprehension... thanks beforehand for your support... |
| 21:51.07 | tw | jhutchins_wk: That sounds fantastically non-debian-specific ;) |
| 21:51.25 | jhutchins_wk | tw: You are correct, it is PXE specifc. |
| 21:52.05 | zykotick9 | jordilopezamat: your choice to not follow ompaul's suggestion of using paste.debian.net might result in less people reading it... just sayin'. see "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" for why. |
| 21:52.44 | petn-randall | piklu: I checked your paste, what's the problem? |
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| 21:53.06 | piklu | petn-randall - it wasn't opening properly |
| 21:53.11 | piklu | but all of a sudden now it does |
| 21:53.40 | petn-randall | ompaul: You have any experience with it? |
| 21:53.46 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: THose are good reasons. A major spam blocker also blocks pastebin.com. |
| 21:53.47 | tw | I'm used to PXE only being dhcp + tftpd to yank your initrd (apparently I do it the simple way) |
| 21:54.03 | ompaul | petn-randall: not for firmware but I saw someone in the local lug saying they did it a couple of years ago |
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| 21:54.16 | ompaul | jordilopezamat: passwd user1 and change the password |
| 21:54.22 | jhutchins_wk | tw: Yeah, there's a mechanism where you can have unique configs basically for every machine. |
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| 21:54.51 | jhutchins_wk | tw: I got lost trying to build a multi-function menu and gave up on my clonezilla/build server. |
| 21:54.52 | tw | tftpd will do that if you're on-lan by mac-matching, which is how I do it inow. |
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| 21:54.58 | tw | Heh. |
| 21:55.00 | ompaul | jordilopezamat: the note about paste.debian is serious it causes a lot of people and me on a 50% of the time not to look at it |
| 21:55.04 | jordilopezamat | zykotick9 i tried to use paste.debian.net , with no success... thanks for the info |
| 21:55.29 | jhutchins_wk | tw: I do run ltsp which is pretty plug-and-play. |
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| 21:55.41 | ompaul | wonders how you could use one web site and not another |
| 21:55.43 | ompaul | wanders off |
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| 22:28.35 | Diranged | umm how the heck do i delete a package from a mini-dinstall mangaed repo? |
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| 22:32.16 | Zitter | is it possible to install Steam on Debian 7? |
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| 22:35.24 | TonayHawk | umm |
| 22:35.37 | TonayHawk | so is there drivers for thunderbolt ethernet? |
| 22:36.54 | gnude | hello, i have a strange debian 7 bug. iinstalled debian 7 on my laptop. and at the mouse settings i set "disable touchpad when writing". after this, when i logoff i can not login. then only a gnome error message appears. i must delete the user and create it new. what goes wrong. a friend as a "acer aspire one" and the same problem. on a asus eee pc it happens too. i work with a asus laptop X53U and it is realy anoying. |
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| 22:37.05 | TonayHawk | yep jus pluged in USB ethernet and that works |
| 22:37.14 | TonayHawk | w out doing anything |
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| 22:39.01 | TonayHawk | thot. lol |
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| 22:42.59 | g0to | hello there |
| 22:43.07 | gnude | hello g0to |
| 22:43.12 | gnude | new here? |
| 22:43.38 | g0to | gnude, I fall in this land from time to time :) |
| 22:44.08 | gnude | g0to, allright. like i. i use often jabber for talking to people. here only sometimes. |
| 22:44.30 | g0to | today, I'm trying to fix an issue by applying a patch which I don't know how to apply :S |
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| 22:44.55 | g0to | here is the patch -> http://www.zeroc.com/forums/patches/5647-patch-compiling-ice-clang-gcc4-7-a.html |
| 22:45.13 | gnude | i am currently not working with gcc |
| 22:45.21 | gnude | so i cant say anything to that |
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| 22:46.19 | g0to | well, here is actually the patch -> http://pastebin.ca/2388610 |
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| 22:47.20 | g0to | gnude, anyway, do you have any idea about how to find the path to apply the patch? |
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| 22:47.54 | gnude | sorry. no, no idea |
| 22:48.28 | g0to | I thought the file was ready to run, but I think that, at least, I have to find the path where to apply it |
| 22:48.47 | g0to | gnude, no problem |
| 22:48.51 | gnude | path |
| 22:48.59 | gnude | the path of the kernel sources? |
| 22:49.42 | g0to | gnude, I don't think it has nothing to do with the kernel sources |
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| 22:50.44 | gnude | maybe i can help tomorrow |
| 22:50.49 | wolfmitchell | Is it possible to make the debian installer reconfigure networking on the target after an install is already done? |
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| 22:51.22 | wolfmitchell | 's networking got messd up via virt-manager .-. |
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| 22:59.39 | mrpl | hi, I am installing debian sid onto a 4 gb usb flash drive, Will it have enough room ? Thanks |
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| 22:59.54 | gnude | yes. i think |
| 23:00.02 | gnude | i have about 2gb used |
| 23:00.03 | nkuttler | mrpl: depends on what you want to install. for a simple setup, sure |
| 23:00.30 | mrpl | net install lxde de |
| 23:00.32 | zykotick9 | mrpl: depends, but that's pretty crampt with modern GUI, when trying to update stuff... good luck. |
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| 23:01.08 | mrpl | sounds good |
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| 23:03.11 | damo22 | why is telepathy-logger tied as a dependency of gnome? |
| 23:03.24 | damo22 | i want to purge it |
| 23:04.11 | damo22 | i dont need any official keyloggers installed on my system |
| 23:05.12 | krisfremen | telepathy-logger is a keylogger? since when? |
| 23:05.37 | damo22 | it logs my chats |
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| 23:06.05 | damo22 | then for some reason i get a popup from freedesktop.org asking for my password |
| 23:06.14 | krisfremen | so disable chat logging in telepathy |
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| 23:06.40 | damo22 | i dont use telepathy |
| 23:06.59 | BuFF | hi, does anybody knows why there is no "compiz fusion" package in debian testing? |
| 23:07.08 | BuFF | is it off ? |
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| 23:07.15 | damo22 | i want to purge it but its tied to gnome |
| 23:07.20 | krisfremen | damo22: so disable chat loggin in whatever uses telepathy for the chat protocols |
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| 23:14.22 | damo22 | this is bs, i am purging gnome |
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| 23:15.04 | peterrooney | dpkg: compiz |
| 23:15.04 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Compiz is not part of the Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" release due to bug #677864. http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:25.04 | boudiccas | how can i instal a single package with dpkg such that it gets its dependencies please? |
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| 23:30.47 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: method 1 - just dpkg -i the package, then run "sudo apt-get -f install" to get the dependencies or method 2 - use gdebi to install it. |
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| 23:31.27 | boudiccas | trying to track down a version of a programme which i'm not sure whether ti was ever win debian, hwo do i query the archives plese? could it bein a vault? |
| 23:31.34 | boudiccas | thanks zykotick9 |
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| 23:31.55 | zykotick9 | can't believe he just used sudo... been hanging out in #ubuntu too much recently... :( |
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| 23:32.00 | wolfmitchell | Does the 'Configure the network' step of the squeeze expert mode install write the config to the target immediately or at the finish the install step |
| 23:32.40 | wolfmitchell | if it's at 'Finish the installation', can I make it skip the rest of the stuff and just do network config |
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| 23:53.37 | RRios | Hey. I'm using KDE with network manager and the network manager plasmoid and, for some reason, my wifi stops connecting every 10 minutes or so. Then I have to disable and enable the network for it to get back. |
| 23:54.44 | RRios | I suspect it might have something to do with the b43 driver (my wireless card is a Broadcom), but I'm not sure, so I want to know if there's anyone experiencing the same thing. |
| 23:55.03 | RRios | I'm on wheezy, btw |
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