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| 00:10.54 | eintw1ck | Hi, I have deleted /usr/include by mistake how can I reinstall all the package which had files in /usr/include |
| 00:12.13 | eintw1ck | Thanks |
| 00:12.15 | zykotick9 | eintw1ck: i have no idea what /usr/include/ is, but i see dbug, python, X11 and xorg have folders in there... good luck. |
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| 00:13.07 | zykotick9 | s/dbug/dbus/ |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | eintw1ck: the *entire* thing? |
| 00:13.21 | eintw1ck | Yeah |
| 00:13.37 | eintw1ck | All of /usr/include gone |
| 00:13.44 | abrotman | eintw1ck: dpkg -S usr/include |
| 00:14.01 | eintw1ck | what does that do exactly |
| 00:14.08 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 00:15.56 | eintw1ck | holy .... |
| 00:15.59 | zykotick9 | abrotman: ahh, sorry to single you out here but, according to "man heir" /usr/include is "Include files for the C compiler". what does that mean exactly? what is that directory for? |
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| 00:16.05 | eintw1ck | A lot of packages |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | zykotick9: generally it means header files, the .h files |
| 00:16.42 | zykotick9 | abrotman: thanks. |
| 00:16.43 | Elw3 | strange problem here, i am unable to change my keyboard map. i would like to overide the mapfile but i cant find it. any place i could look? |
| 00:16.50 | abrotman | change it where? |
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| 00:17.25 | eintw1ck | abrotman: How can I automatically reinstall all those packages, I don't want to do them manually |
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| 00:17.41 | abrotman | eintw1ck: do a little awk magic |
| 00:17.44 | Elw3 | system wide |
| 00:17.51 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:17.52 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 00:17.56 | eintw1ck | abrotman: what's awk |
| 00:18.31 | abrotman | man awk ? |
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| 00:19.19 | abrotman | eintw1ck: dpkg -S usr/include | awk -F: '{print $1}' | sort | uniq |
| 00:19.41 | eintw1ck | Ok I'll try that |
| 00:19.42 | Elw3 | here comes the thing keyboard-configuration does not exist, setxkbmap freezes the system for like 20 seconds. this is arm build btw |
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| 00:20.38 | eintw1ck | hmm how can I then install them all at once |
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| 00:22.22 | abrotman | eintw1ck: try something like: aptitude reinstall $(dpkg -S usr/include | awk -F: '{print $1}' | sort |uniq) |
| 00:22.29 | Elw3 | not even loadkeys exist. and i dont know the package to install |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | thinks that might even work ... |
| 00:22.35 | abrotman | !tell Elw3 about apt-file |
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| 00:27.09 | Elw3 | *sigh for apt-file it needs 10mb to install. i have barely enough network for irc... |
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| 00:39.23 | abrotman | judd: find bin/loadkeys |
| 00:39.28 | judd | Search for bin/loadkeys in wheezy/i386: console-tools: bin/loadkeys; kbd: bin/loadkeys, usr/bin/loadkeys |
| 00:39.30 | abrotman | Elw3: ^^ |
| 00:40.31 | rmx77 | hello all |
| 00:40.32 | abrotman | Elw3: admittedly, you sohuld already have that installed |
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| 00:42.14 | Elw3 | that why i am so puzzled. litterally everything is missing, all the files used in whatever docs: gone. i simply have no idea wher to look for what now |
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| 00:47.42 | rmx77 | boy today just isnt my day |
| 00:47.47 | Elw3 | well even when i do keyboard-configuration, the keymap is for unique special keyboard not listed there, so i have to find and edit the data per hand anyway |
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| 00:49.24 | iderik | I am compiling the git source, so I found two interesting methods, but I dont understand what the difference is. Here is the method and output: http://pastebin.com/M8VQvNuD |
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| 00:50.55 | zykotick9 | iderik: don't crosspost, and seeing as you asked in #ubuntu first, i assume you are using ubuntu... |
| 00:51.11 | _habnabit | if i want to bind multiple addresses to an interface, is there a better way to specify that in /etc/network/interfaces than having to use `up` and `down` lines that call `ip` ? |
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| 00:53.09 | dvs | _habnabit: http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
| 00:53.48 | zykotick9 | iderik: fyi, using your origional http://paste.ubuntu.com/5731178/ might still be prefered in #d to pastebin.com ;) |
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| 00:55.32 | cathode | hi there, how do i mount a smb share so that i can 'cp' stuff to it? |
| 00:56.13 | _habnabit | dvs, sorry, isn't that for one address and multiple interfaces? i have one interface and multiple addresses |
| 00:56.29 | dvs | smacks head |
| 00:57.33 | iderik | zykotick9: im a debian fan that is using ubuntu :) |
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| 00:57.51 | zykotick9 | iderik: well, don't ask for support here then... |
| 00:57.55 | dvs | _habnabit: For example, if you have eth0, you can specifiy eth0 and eth0:0 |
| 00:58.36 | _habnabit | dvs, hm, i thought i'd read that that notation was being phased out as it's specific to ifconfig |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | _habnabit: in favor of what? |
| 00:59.23 | _habnabit | abrotman, in which case? ifconfig -> ip and dropping the :N from the interface, AIUI |
| 01:00.19 | Tramp | in favor of simply ip addr a |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | _habnabit: right, so use the 'ip' notation .. what isn't working ? |
| 01:01.41 | _habnabit | abrotman, i'm trying to add multiple addresses to one interface on boot, and everything i've read seems to suggest using `up ip addr add ...`. i was hoping there was something better |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | _habnabit: nerp, that's the way |
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| 01:03.02 | _habnabit | hm okay |
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| 01:03.49 | _habnabit | relatedly, is there a way to specify that i'd like to bind to a range instead of having to specify each individual address i want to bind? specifically it's a pain for having a bunch of ipv6 addresses |
| 01:04.11 | jeeves_moss | I have a USB disk that DMESG shows as /dev/sdc but I can't mount it, and fdisk dosen't show it. How can I go about getting it? |
| 01:05.06 | dvs | jeeves_moss: What does "fdisk -l /dev/hdc" say? |
| 01:05.29 | jeeves_moss | dvs, nothing. line feed |
| 01:05.33 | dvs | jeeves_moss: What does "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" say? |
| 01:05.34 | dvs | oops |
| 01:05.53 | jeeves_moss | one sec. I'll get you a dump |
| 01:06.18 | jeeves_moss | dvs, http://pastebin.com/HmyrrF50 |
| 01:06.18 | ArtyG | cathode, if you're still around, have you taken a whack at using mount.cifs? |
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| 01:06.42 | jeeves_moss | dvs, testdisk doesn't see it either |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | _habnabit: a script does it easily enough |
| 01:07.38 | _habnabit | abrotman, it clutters my `ip addr` output ;< |
| 01:08.02 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, how's it going! it's been a while |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: you know, moved to mars and such |
| 01:08.53 | abrotman | _habnabit: that's always going to happen, no matter how you apply them |
| 01:09.02 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, that's an amazing ping. Entangled pairs? |
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| 01:09.33 | ChibaPet | jeeves_moss: Are you saying his network connection is SAD? |
| 01:09.33 | _habnabit | abrotman, lo seems to be able to bind to 127/8 without me having to explicitly name every 127.x.x.x i want to listen on, though |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: fishing line and cans |
| 01:09.45 | jeeves_moss | aboman, good reception |
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| 01:09.59 | jeeves_moss | aboman, want to take a stab at this ghost partition? |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | _habnabit: that may be special because it's a reserved network, i can't say |
| 01:10.16 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
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| 01:10.23 | dvs | heh |
| 01:10.28 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: also, aboman probably isn't enjoying the highlights :) |
| 01:10.39 | jeeves_moss | aboman, I get a line feed with the fdisk |
| 01:11.02 | dvs | jeeves_moss: try it as root |
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| 01:11.32 | jeeves_moss | dvs, I am running it as root |
| 01:11.36 | jeeves_moss | aboman, http://pastebin.com/YwNr3iJx |
| 01:11.53 | Living_Dead | Sorry to be a bother but I have a issue with a debian install. I have tried to connect to it to run some updates on programs, it rejected my login attempt then stopped me from connecting. I can no longer even ping it. |
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| 01:12.04 | Living_Dead | I have another admin at another location able to log in fine |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: that's so not "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" |
| 01:12.33 | jeeves_moss | aboman, I said when I run that, I get a line feed |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: abr<tab> |
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| 01:12.52 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: ask root |
| 01:12.56 | Living_Dead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.57 | Living_Dead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.57 | Living_Dead | " |
| 01:13.16 | jeeves_moss | Living_Dead, lol, the hamsters are trying to escape |
| 01:13.23 | jeeves_moss | Living_Dead, try feeding them |
| 01:13.51 | Living_Dead | Ahh hell no, they get the rations I feed them and no more |
| 01:14.33 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, and when I try "fdisk /dev/sdc", I get "no medium found" |
| 01:14.50 | dvs | jeeves_moss: What does "parted -l" say? |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: the -l might be important |
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| 01:16.13 | jeeves_moss | no listing for that drive. I can see the 2 drives that are in the laptop, but not the USB |
| 01:16.23 | cxz | How can I get apt/aptitude to show me if there are upgrades available in the form of a boolean return value? |
| 01:16.42 | cxz | Right now I'm using this ugly method: apt-get -V -s upgrade | tail -n+4 |
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| 01:17.47 | dvs | jeeves_moss: What does "lsusb" say? |
| 01:18.14 | cockroach | cxz: `apt-show-versions -u` may be what you're looking for |
| 01:18.16 | jeeves_moss | dvs, Bus 001 Device 005: ID 13fe:3623 Kingston Technology Company Inc. |
| 01:18.33 | cxz | cockroach: yeh that one looked good to me, but you had to install it |
| 01:18.36 | cxz | which was a bit annoying |
| 01:18.45 | cockroach | heh |
| 01:19.01 | cxz | Surely apt has an out of the box solution |
| 01:19.16 | cockroach | possibly |
| 01:19.17 | cxz | The neckbeards in here probably know how to do it |
| 01:20.07 | rmx77 | boy does alsa/pulse hate me well i have issues with it more or less |
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| 01:21.28 | rmx77 | the issue is on the mic side of the audio |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | cxz: aptitude search '~U' |
| 01:22.17 | cxz | abrotman: think that's what i'm after ;) |
| 01:22.21 | cxz | many thanks |
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| 01:23.03 | rmx77 | the issue i have with the mic is where it has a buzz or like static like sound and the audio also does that with the sounds in skype |
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| 01:23.59 | jeeves_moss | aboman, still scratching your head? |
| 01:24.03 | jeeves_moss | dvs, same with you? |
| 01:24.20 | rmx77 | if i use any program to record audio other then audacity and if i use the pulse or alsa input i get the static sound along with the audio but if i use the souncard input it works fine in audacity |
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| 01:25.17 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: ls -al /dev/sdc* |
| 01:25.50 | jeeves_moss | aboman, brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 32 Jun 3 21:10 /dev/sdc |
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| 01:26.38 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: and as root, 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' says what? |
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| 01:26.50 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: use a pastebin please |
| 01:26.56 | jeeves_moss | aboman, I am running the command as root |
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| 01:27.24 | jeeves_moss | aboman, http://pastebin.com/9dLNDp2w |
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| 01:28.10 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, brb, wife is calling |
| 01:28.29 | mchl_ | Hey all |
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| 01:29.23 | g0dfrey | there's some warning with bumblebeed and kernel 3.9.4. http://paste.debian.net/8338 |
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| 01:30.11 | abrotman | jeekl: that's not fdisk ? |
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| 01:35.01 | cxz | abrotman: is there a way to do it with dpkg? |
| 01:35.08 | cxz | oh wait, of course not |
| 01:35.15 | cxz | aptitude has to be installed too |
| 01:35.38 | kopilo | hey I'm currently have a liebert GXt3-1000RT 230 UPS plugged into a debian squeeze (planned to be upgraded to wheezy soon) via usb, I wish to have the debian server power down when the ups dectects a loss in power. Anyone familar with NUT to give me a few pointers? |
| 01:35.55 | kopilo | cxz what are you trying to do? |
| 01:36.54 | cxz | kopilo: check for upgrades/dist-upgrades without installing any external packages |
| 01:36.59 | cxz | or parsing cli output |
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| 01:38.19 | kopilo | ahh |
| 01:38.39 | kopilo | synaptic? :/ |
| 01:39.04 | kopilo | could use apt |
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| 01:47.27 | roshan | hello |
| 01:47.42 | roshan | i have a doubt on something |
| 01:48.03 | civillian | Consult google |
| 01:48.11 | cxz | kopilo: how? |
| 01:48.30 | roshan | no, consulting google dint actually help me... |
| 01:48.40 | roshan | i need a debianizers help |
| 01:48.59 | roshan | actually, i installed a minimalist version of debian uwheezy using netinstall iso.. |
| 01:49.18 | roshan | lateron, install cinnamon...and lightdm display manager. |
| 01:49.39 | roshan | i dont know why on earth gnome3 was automatically installed..is it possible to remove it? |
| 01:50.06 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:50.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | yes, remove gnome-shell |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | not sure how that relates to Cinnamon since that's not in Wheezy |
| 01:50.55 | roshan | cinnamon has a dependecy for gnome, but, it is not actually needed.. |
| 01:51.05 | roshan | ok i will try that...remving gnome-shell |
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| 01:52.09 | roshan | There is one more thing i have to ask.. that is, will Debian developers be changing the DE of debian in the next releases, because, it is tough coming to gnome 3 when we are happy with gnome 2 as in squeeze |
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| 01:53.01 | dvs | roshan: there are several DEs in Debian. Pick another one. |
| 01:53.28 | roshan | ok.. |
| 01:53.43 | roshan | Can we stiall install that old gnome 2.30 in wheezy? |
| 01:53.50 | dvs | nope |
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| 01:55.11 | roshan | can we compile it from the sources that at available with in squeeze rpos |
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| 01:55.24 | abrotman | roshan: you can do anything you want, but gnome2 is dead upstream |
| 01:56.31 | roshan | What if i still continue with debian squeeze, and add wheezy repos instead of installing gnome 2 in wheezy? will that create incompatibilities in the future |
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| 01:57.01 | abrotman | roshan: Squeeze will only have security support for about 11 more months. |
| 01:57.35 | roshan | abrotman: Is that actually a problem since the current 6.0.7 is stable |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | roshan: /topic |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | 6.0.7 is the current *oldstable* |
| 01:58.30 | roshan | i knw it's off tpic, but health discussions can lead to knowledge |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:03.10 | kopilo | cxz apt-get upgrade & cancel it when it asks for confirmation? |
| 02:03.36 | kopilo | isn't 7.0 now current |
| 02:04.28 | cxz | kopilo: it's going to be part of a script |
| 02:04.33 | cxz | so that isn't an option either |
| 02:04.33 | kopilo | ahh |
| 02:04.44 | cxz | ideally i should just be able to do something like |
| 02:04.49 | kopilo | yeah I hate explict scripts they tend to fail hard |
| 02:04.57 | cxz | apt-get uavail |
| 02:04.58 | cxz | echo $? |
| 02:05.02 | cxz | and check for 0 or 1 |
| 02:05.13 | cxz | where uavail is like 'upgrade available' |
| 02:05.15 | cxz | or something |
| 02:05.20 | kopilo | yeah |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | cxz: i gave you the best answer |
| 02:05.26 | cxz | abrotman: ok |
| 02:05.36 | kopilo | what is the best answer? |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | cxz: or look at apticron, cron-apt, etc |
| 02:05.44 | cxz | i feel the best answer should be made better by apt maintainers ;) |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | kopilo: aptitude search '~U |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | kopilo: aptitude search '~U' |
| 02:05.52 | kopilo | ahhh |
| 02:05.55 | kopilo | yes |
| 02:05.59 | kopilo | thanks |
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| 02:06.04 | cxz | those are all extra packages that need installing! |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | cxz: they'll give you the same answer .. this is a common question |
| 02:06.12 | cxz | well they should make apt bette |
| 02:06.14 | cxz | better* |
| 02:06.17 | cxz | and more pacman like |
| 02:06.26 | kopilo | zypper is pretty awesome |
| 02:06.30 | kopilo | >.> |
| 02:06.43 | kopilo | pacman is kind of cool but falls short in some ways |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | cxz: patches welcome |
| 02:07.09 | cxz | kopilo: which ones |
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| 02:08.19 | kopilo | been almost a year since I used pacman last, the issue I had was it installling packages which would ultimately break the system >.> |
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| 02:09.20 | rmx77 | well there are a few different package repos u can use becides pacman |
| 02:09.37 | kopilo | netdeb is my favorite so far :D |
| 02:10.11 | rmx77 | well there is yowart or however its spelled |
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| 02:10.37 | kopilo | sorry I mean dotdeb |
| 02:10.44 | kopilo | ahh yes |
| 02:10.57 | rmx77 | very good repos |
| 02:10.58 | kopilo | yet another something something something |
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| 02:11.14 | rmx77 | there always is |
| 02:11.32 | rmx77 | i havent used that stuff in a few years |
| 02:11.41 | rmx77 | i am on debian now though |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | kopilo: dotdeb packages are poison |
| 02:12.19 | kopilo | yeah |
| 02:12.40 | rmx77 | oh |
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| 02:12.48 | rmx77 | i never heard that out of dotdeb |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | don't touch them |
| 02:13.02 | rmx77 | infact i never heard of dotdeb to be honest |
| 02:13.12 | rmx77 | i am running the latest debian |
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| 02:13.31 | rmx77 | but i am havin alsa/pulse audio issues with the mic end of the audio |
| 02:13.38 | kopilo | they seem to work perfectally fine for me |
| 02:14.11 | abrotman | oh, they installl just fine, don't try to remove them or upgrdae them |
| 02:14.38 | kopilo | hmm? |
| 02:14.58 | rmx77 | who knows bout pulse or alsa or anything like that |
| 02:15.18 | kopilo | a little, have you set up your asound.rc? |
| 02:15.46 | rmx77 | its all default as to the way it was from when it was installed |
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| 02:16.03 | rmx77 | the mic issue is that i get backround static or like static lag |
| 02:16.30 | kopilo | ahh |
| 02:16.59 | kopilo | have you tried changing the volume of your mic input in pavucontrol and seeing if you get different distortions? |
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| 02:17.13 | rmx77 | when i record with sound recorder i get major backround static stuff but in audacity if i use the actual audio card input and not alsa or pulse i get clear audio |
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| 02:18.14 | kopilo | keep in mind that pulseaudio was originally designed for embedded systems so it is a little buggy. I find I normally have to set my mic input for pulseaudio to around 25% |
| 02:18.35 | rmx77 | it does the same static stuff no matter what level its set at |
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| 02:18.42 | kopilo | damn |
| 02:19.05 | kopilo | there is a way of applying a noise gate but I don't think that will solve your problen |
| 02:19.06 | kopilo | m |
| 02:19.12 | rmx77 | yea |
| 02:19.38 | rmx77 | i have a file i recorded from sound recorder that has the static stuff in it |
| 02:20.07 | rmx77 | VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 |
| 02:20.16 | rmx77 | thats the sound card chipset |
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| 02:21.02 | abrotman | sounds more like a config problem .. does it fail as your user and root? |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | doy ou have the OSS compat stuf floaded ? |
| 02:21.45 | rmx77 | i never logged in as root |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | rearranges the spaces |
| 02:21.54 | rmx77 | and i dont have any oss stuff in use |
| 02:22.04 | rmx77 | just what the system installs or uses by default |
| 02:22.19 | rmx77 | i did install the alsa mixer to see if that did any good but nope |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | did you try running your snd app from an xterm to see if it outputs anything |
| 02:22.56 | rmx77 | the output is fine |
| 02:23.03 | rmx77 | its the mic thats having issues |
| 02:23.13 | rmx77 | its only on capture of the mic |
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| 02:23.38 | rmx77 | when i unmute mic and hear it its fine but when i record the mic i get static city |
| 02:23.47 | kopilo | thinking there is something within the pulse.conf |
| 02:23.56 | rmx77 | could be |
| 02:24.03 | rmx77 | i suck at config stuff |
| 02:24.36 | rmx77 | also it has played up with skype sounds as well putting static on that too |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | rmx77: i meant text output, like debugging info |
| 02:24.46 | rmx77 | oh |
| 02:24.57 | rmx77 | i never have done that |
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| 02:25.23 | rmx77 | how would i run it |
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| 02:27.16 | rmx77 | or where would i get it from |
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| 02:28.36 | abrotman | get what from? |
| 02:29.17 | rmx77 | how would i run the snd |
| 02:29.25 | kopilo | just a derpy question: you have checked that the microphone line you are using is the selected device in alsamixer? |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | run whatever program you normall yrun |
| 02:29.48 | abrotman | stops trying to talk over kopilo |
| 02:29.56 | kopilo | hmm? |
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| 02:30.30 | rmx77 | well abrotman i have a terminal open right now |
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| 02:34.08 | rmx77 | hmmm |
| 02:34.14 | rmx77 | i am puzzled |
| 02:35.05 | kopilo | I have no idea really, *pokes* abrotman |
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| 02:35.53 | abrotman | rmx77: so run the program from the terminal, try to record sound, see if it outputs anything to the terminal |
| 02:36.20 | rmx77 | i never have run a program from a termanl only the native gui stuff |
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| 02:38.11 | kopilo | arecord? |
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| 02:38.28 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, I'm back |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | rmx77: you can still run them from the terminal |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: okay, but i'm nearing sleepy time |
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| 02:39.17 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, awe. any fresh ideas on this USB stick? |
| 02:39.42 | kopilo | usb stick? |
| 02:39.54 | rmx77 | well i got audacity to run from a terminal |
| 02:39.59 | rmx77 | and i do have issues |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: i'm still waiting fo rthe fdisk output |
| 02:40.46 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, as I said, when I do a fdisk, it dosen't print anything. it just does a line feed |
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| 02:41.05 | rmx77 | the jack server is not running or cannot be started |
| 02:41.13 | rmx77 | Expression 'stream->playback.pcm' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 4541 |
| 02:41.43 | harovali | hi, I've just downloaded debian 7.0 netinst .iso. I've dd'd it into a usb external hard disk. I booted successfully a computer which lacks a cd or dvd device (no /dev/sr0). Then reached a point in the installation process in which the installer insists about the cd-rom driver and device. How can I tell the installer to continue reading from the usb drive ? |
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| 02:42.12 | rmx77 | tons of issues all over the alsa end |
| 02:42.19 | rmx77 | more then just what i posted |
| 02:42.22 | rmx77 | there is alot more |
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| 02:42.38 | kopilo | harovali I had that exact same issue a few weeks ago, I tried pointing the usb as a cd device but couldn't get it working :/ |
| 02:42.48 | harovali | kopilo: :) |
| 02:43.23 | harovali | kopilo: They tell about using xorriso to transform the iso into whatever suits the usb disk. Do you think that'd help somehow ? |
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| 02:43.47 | Elw3 | abrotman i now have the loadkeys command installed only to see that it gives an error |
| 02:43.54 | kopilo | One way of dealing with it would be to use the netinstall |
| 02:44.10 | harovali | kopilo: my image is netinstall ! :) |
| 02:44.18 | kopilo | O.o |
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| 02:44.41 | harovali | kopilo: debian-7.0.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:45.13 | rmx77 | hmmm |
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| 02:45.27 | athit | Hi, |
| 02:46.08 | rmx77 | abrotman it looks like there is tons of issues all through alsa in audacity idk about sound recorder but i will check that too |
| 02:46.11 | kopilo | rmx77 I imagine jack can't start whilst pulseaudio is running, as alsa is already locked to pulseaudio |
| 02:47.14 | kopilo | anyone actually installed D7 via usb yet? |
| 02:47.36 | ArtyG | kopilo, yes. |
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| 02:47.57 | rmx77 | yea |
| 02:48.08 | rmx77 | there is more then just the jack issue too |
| 02:48.15 | jharri34 | hello all i really need your help |
| 02:48.21 | rmx77 | like there was 10 or more lines of issues with it |
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| 02:49.00 | jharri34 | i recently installed gnome wheezy unto my sager laptop |
| 02:49.27 | rmx77 | so hmmm |
| 02:49.35 | rmx77 | what could i do to fix alsa |
| 02:49.52 | jharri34 | it worked fine for the first day or so then it started to boot into a black screen and to only fix was hard resets |
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| 02:50.21 | harovali | kopilo: it seems I could tweak the installer options , and now it is intalling. I told it that the cdrom device is /dev/sdb and it didn't complain. |
| 02:50.24 | kopilo | ArtyG: how did you do it? which download did you use, how did you put it onto a usb? |
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| 02:50.44 | kopilo | harovli awesome :D |
| 02:50.50 | jharri34 | but now my laptop wont come on at all |
| 02:50.51 | harovali | kopilo: truly |
| 02:51.16 | ArtyG | kopilo, oh jeez, this is thinking back a little. I thought I just dd'd it onto a USB drive, booted, enabled console redirection, and off I went. |
| 02:51.34 | ArtyG | dd'd the netinst iso onto a USB flash drive, that is. |
| 02:51.37 | kopilo | thanks |
| 02:51.57 | kopilo | been trying to put it onto an eepc for a while |
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| 02:53.02 | jharri34 | i used the debian wheezy 64bit usb install |
| 02:53.06 | rmx77 | alsa just hates me thats what it is lol |
| 02:53.13 | kopilo | rmx77 try setting pulse to not autorespawn, kill it and see if the errors pop up again? |
| 02:53.28 | kopilo | alsa hates everyone |
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| 02:55.09 | jharri34 | i really depend on my laptop someone please help |
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| 02:55.40 | kopilo | have you tried booting a live disc? |
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| 02:56.32 | jharri34 | my laptop currently doesn't even show bios before it turns itself off |
| 02:56.54 | kopilo | sounds like a hardware problem :/ |
| 02:58.20 | jharri34 | it work not even a hour before my 5o'clock class before it started acting funny |
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| 02:59.01 | launch | r3m: you there? |
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| 03:00.10 | kopilo | jharri34: yeah the fact it was working, nothing on the software end changed, and then suddenly it started not working, sounds like something on the hardware end broke |
| 03:00.16 | jeeves_moss | kopilo, want to take a shot at this USB disk issue? I can't get it to access |
| 03:01.37 | kopilo | jeeves_moss: I'm not going to be too much help other than innane questions really. Have you tried using different USB ports? Does it show up on any other computers? Is there anything to suggest the connector is still working? |
| 03:01.39 | jharri34 | thanks alot ill contaact tech supprot for sager |
| 03:01.57 | kopilo | no problems, good luck. |
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| 03:06.27 | MouseTheLuckyDog | When I do apt-cache showpkg sysv-rc I see the following very confusing things in dependencies: file-rc (0 (null)) |
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| 03:30.02 | zykotick9 | MouseTheLuckyDog: just FYI, i see the same thing - but have no idea what that means, sorry. just to let you know you aren't alone ;) |
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| 03:36.14 | rmx77 | still pondering the alsa stuff |
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| 03:55.00 | \\Mr_C\\ | how would i install this? http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-dmo/ffmpeg_1.0.6-dmo2_i386.deb |
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| 03:56.58 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: you probably want to add deb-multimedia repostiory and apt-get/aptitude install it. or download the DEB and then try "dpkg -i ffmpeg_1.0.6-dmo2_i386.deb" |
| 03:57.53 | \\Mr_C\\ | trying to play videos, but it only does the sound |
| 03:58.03 | \\Mr_C\\ | i assume im missing codecs |
| 03:58.36 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: keep in mind, deb-multimedia is NOT debian... |
| 03:59.14 | \\Mr_C\\ | hmm, ok so if i have mplayer for shell installed and i can play stuff, and only get sound, what am i missing? |
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| 04:00.10 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: what is the file type you are trying to play? it's certainly possible you do want deb-multimedia, and the non-free codecs it provides |
| 04:00.43 | \\Mr_C\\ | just random .flv, .mpg, ,mp3, .avi, .wmv |
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| 04:00.45 | themill | (there should also be no need to go to deb-multimedia to play things_ |
| 04:01.00 | zykotick9 | themill: i agree. |
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| 04:01.14 | \\Mr_C\\ | hehe, i dont know what the heck im doing |
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| 04:01.38 | \\Mr_C\\ | i installed debian clean and did apt-update/upgrade and installed mplayer |
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| 04:02.38 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: i don't have deb-multimedia, and use mplayer, and i DON'T have issues playing 90+% of stuff. just sayin'. |
| 04:03.57 | \\Mr_C\\ | oh |
| 04:04.02 | \\Mr_C\\ | it doesnt work in shell? |
| 04:04.11 | \\Mr_C\\ | i dont have desktop installed |
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| 04:04.23 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: by "shell" do you mean linux-console? |
| 04:04.27 | \\Mr_C\\ | yes |
| 04:04.32 | \\Mr_C\\ | no gui |
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| 04:05.55 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: are you specifing "mplayer -vo fbdev foo.foo" or ".. -vo fbdev2 foo.foo"? |
| 04:06.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.24 | \\Mr_C\\ | hehe |
| 04:06.26 | \\Mr_C\\ | is the test i did |
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| 04:12.59 | \\Mr_C\\ | cool |
| 04:13.06 | \\Mr_C\\ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | and -vo fbdev2 |
| 04:13.43 | \\Mr_C\\ | thats what i wanted, thanks... |
| 04:14.08 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: add which ever works best to your ~/.mplayer/config |
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| 04:14.57 | \\Mr_C\\ | just put -vo fbdev in that file? |
| 04:15.04 | \\Mr_C\\ | because the file is blank |
| 04:15.14 | \\Mr_C\\ | # Write your default config options here! |
| 04:15.50 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: the format is a bit different. search online. but might be "vo = foo" |
| 04:16.10 | \\Mr_C\\ | ok, thank you for the help |
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| 04:30.50 | tuxy | hi, can anyone help me setup ipv4 stacking in debian wheezy? |
| 04:31.22 | zykotick9 | tuxy: what is "ipv4 stacking"? |
| 04:31.41 | tuxy | adding multiple ipv4 through one NIC |
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| 04:35.11 | tuxy | zykotick9, any idea? :P |
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| 04:35.46 | zykotick9 | tuxy: sorry, not something i've done. good luck! |
| 04:36.26 | tuxy | haha actually nvm..I figure it out |
| 04:36.42 | tuxy | I forgot to add the /24 at the end of the IP |
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| 04:40.08 | roasted | do any Debian versions currently have KDE 4.10? |
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| 04:40.29 | o_OWtf | hola best frenz |
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| 04:42.18 | roasted | I'd like to run home run launcher but pretty sure it requires more recent KDE versions. be nice to make that happen on Debian. |
| 04:42.42 | elkingrey | When I do upgrades what is the requisite for needing to restart afterwards? I ask because when I do upgrades via GUI I often get asked to restart before the upgrades can take affect. But when I upgrade via the terminal, I've never once been notified that a restart is needed. Why is that? |
| 04:42.49 | o_OWtf | what is home run |
| 04:42.50 | zykotick9 | ,versions kde-plasma-desktop |
| 04:42.52 | judd | Package: kde-plasma-desktop on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; jessie: 5:77+deb7u1; sid: 5:77+deb7u1; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; experimental: 5:78 |
| 04:43.09 | o_OWtf | does kde look too fruity for you guys |
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| 04:43.41 | o_OWtf | when i was first presented with a login screen i was like whoa |
| 04:43.48 | zykotick9 | roasted: are you looking for an old kde? |
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| 04:45.12 | roasted | zykotick9: no. new. |
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| 04:45.43 | roasted | home run is an alternative launcher. It's similar to Ubuntu unity in some regard |
| 04:46.27 | themill | roasted: 4.10 is only in experimental at the moment -- it's waiting for approval from the release team prior to uploading it to unstable |
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| 04:46.53 | zykotick9 | roasted: well, i can't figure out how 4.10 matches up with the 5:66, 5:77 or 5:78 offered. i don't use kde... oh themill has the real answer. |
| 04:47.53 | themill | zykotick9: they're the metapackage versions and don't have anything to do with the actual kde components they pull in |
| 04:47.59 | innociv | Something seems seriously wrong with my amazon EC2 debian. "lsof -i" doesn't return anything at all, when I should have lots of services listening on many ports. |
| 04:48.09 | zykotick9 | themill: thanks |
| 04:48.17 | innociv | nvm |
| 04:48.20 | innociv | Wasn't doing sudo |
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| 04:48.28 | innociv | But uh, my nginx won't start on debian. |
| 04:48.41 | innociv | sudo /etc/init.d/nginx start does nothing, nor restart, and there is nothing in the nginx log. |
| 04:49.23 | themill | I assume you've double checked that you actually have nginx installed |
| 04:50.03 | innociv | whao |
| 04:50.07 | innociv | I don't ... |
| 04:50.16 | innociv | How the hell did that get uninstalled? |
| 04:50.28 | innociv | Wait |
| 04:50.48 | innociv | I had two server windows open. How would I check that it's "installed"? |
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| 04:50.58 | innociv | I have the folder for it, and the /etc/init.d/nginx file |
| 04:51.11 | themill | innociv: dpkg -l packagename or apt-cache policy packagename |
| 04:51.28 | innociv | ii nginx 1.4.1-1~dotdeb.1 small, powerful, scalable web/proxy server |
| 04:51.39 | themill | *sigh* dotdeb |
| 04:52.02 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/JCX7y43F full output |
| 04:52.20 | themill | innociv: we don't touch dotdeb crap around here... ask them what's wrong with their packages |
| 04:53.29 | innociv | Well the debian squeeze version of nginx is REALLY old. |
| 04:54.04 | roasted | is there an eta for finalizing KDE 4.10 that you know of? |
| 04:54.15 | mumpitze1 | aamaybe there is a reason why squeeze is called OLDstable then? |
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| 04:55.42 | themill | roasted: no |
| 04:55.53 | innociv | I'll upgrade dist to wheezy. tHis'll tkae a while |
| 04:56.18 | themill | innociv: getting rid of all the dotdeb packages prior to the upgrade would be a good plan |
| 04:56.28 | themill | (as well as following through the release notes etc) |
| 04:56.52 | innociv | erg |
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| 05:11.57 | rmx77 | hmmm |
| 05:12.08 | rmx77 | still toying with the on board sound |
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| 05:15.54 | innociv | How should I remove that dotdeb nginx? |
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| 05:20.05 | innociv | ... did wheezy change my ssh port? Can't log in |
| 05:20.45 | qman__ | only if you told it to |
| 05:21.08 | innociv | Told it to reboot a while ago, and I can't get in. Ugh |
| 05:21.31 | innociv | 6 minutes ago |
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| 05:24.27 | \\Mr_C\\ | how do i exit vlc when i play a video and its in acsii mode? |
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| 05:25.19 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: fyi mplayer does asci as well. you can use "mplayer -vo help" to get a list of all the available options. |
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| 05:25.54 | \\Mr_C\\ | i wasnt even aware of ascii mode in either, i just happen to try vlc and it defaulted to it |
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| 05:26.28 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: libcaca can do colour ascii ;) |
| 05:26.36 | innociv | Yeah uhh. Amazon says it's not receiving traffic as of 10 minutes ago |
| 05:26.58 | \\Mr_C\\ | so how to i exit vlc? |
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| 05:27.59 | Wulf | \\Mr_C\\: q? |
| 05:28.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | doesnt work |
| 05:28.11 | Wulf | alt-f4? |
| 05:28.34 | \\Mr_C\\ | sec.. |
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| 05:29.05 | Wulf | ctrl-c? ctrl-w? reboot? |
| 05:29.20 | \\Mr_C\\ | hehe |
| 05:29.25 | \\Mr_C\\ | reboot works |
| 05:29.53 | zykotick9 | \\Mr_C\\: reboot sounds about right as a punishment for using vlc IMO ;) |
| 05:30.41 | \\Mr_C\\ | alt-f4 goes to the other console window |
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| 05:31.09 | zykotick9 | Wulf: \\Mr_C\\ is in linux-console ;) |
| 05:31.11 | Wulf | \\Mr_C\\: good, then use kill |
| 05:31.13 | Wulf | oh |
| 05:31.30 | Dewi | \\Mr_C\\: ctrl-c will get you out of most things on console |
| 05:31.50 | Dewi | until they start to get fancy |
| 05:32.05 | Wulf | alt-sysrq-k |
| 05:33.45 | \\Mr_C\\ | thanks |
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| 05:40.41 | innociv | So.. upgrading to wheezy definitely seemed to mess up my network. |
| 05:40.53 | innociv | I had a background. Launched and instance on that and I can connect fine (but nginx still won't start) |
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| 06:31.38 | sajjadG | hi guys. i cannot login in debian wiki...I changed my password multiple times...but it still don't let me in. |
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| 06:34.22 | bonkerz | http://foreskin-restoration.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14278 |
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| 06:42.44 | rwp | sajjadG, Sounds like you have cookies disabled. |
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| 06:52.34 | sajjadG | rwp: nope. I checked it. my firefox remember history and accept cookies |
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| 07:19.01 | mar77i | uh... nvm the xhame-posting "debian/config.over: Berkeley DB support not enabled, aborting!" -- I really don't get how this is failing. |
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| 07:19.35 | mar77i | this is trying to compile perl with different options |
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| 07:21.20 | mar77i | I saw this mentioned on a debian bug, too, that's why I ask here |
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| 07:30.25 | leftist | jeez oh man. i picked up this i7 laptop and damn if i was so shocked by the technology or terminology for functionalty or lack there of to support win8 in it's infinite ignorace. :D |
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| 07:36.28 | mar77i | that is... understandably an incomprehensible sentence. I also feel dumber from windows... doors are worse even. |
| 07:36.44 | ghking | hello! Is there someone have used "ipan for Linux" |
| 07:37.24 | mar77i | I run linux on a frypan, too :) |
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| 07:40.58 | ghking | after I uncompressed it, there is no"configure"or"deb"or"rpm"files. |
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| 07:46.55 | mar77i | leftist: try using a relative path in the firmware setup for your *.efi loader |
| 07:47.35 | mar77i | (starting with \ being root, it might be \grub\grub.efi) |
| 07:48.29 | mar77i | \ → the first gpt partition as fat32 which you'd probably mount in /boot |
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| 07:49.03 | TvL2386 | hi guys, I'm having an active-backup bond and all of the sudden "it stopped working". Analysis has shown that it was receiving packets but not sending any packets on the bond interface. Dumping on the current active slave interface did show the packets there. Has anybody ever observed this behavior? Been searching on internet but I can't find similar cases. Please note this is a RH6.3 machine, but I'm a debian fan and you guys have a lot of kn |
| 07:49.03 | TvL2386 | owledge :-) |
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| 07:50.34 | peterrooney | I can't even begin to say how bonkers that would appear to a purist. |
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| 07:52.10 | peterrooney | TvL2386: there exists #rhel |
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| 07:52.38 | TvL2386 | :-( |
| 07:52.59 | TvL2386 | thanks peterrooney . I know, but I also know I'm not gonna get anywhere |
| 07:53.08 | nevyn | TvL2386: get your network team to not suck. (this is hard) |
| 07:53.10 | TvL2386 | gonna try it nevertheless! :-D |
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| 07:54.40 | TvL2386 | thx nevyn, how can I accomplish that? :) |
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| 08:06.43 | theothertom | TvL2386: you said you can see the packets on the currently active slave, but they're not sending ? Where are they not getting to ? |
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| 08:12.00 | TvL2386 | hi theothertom (I'm also Tom :-)). What I am saying is the the server is sending traffic that can be dumped on the bond0 interface. When dumping on the eth4 interface (active slave) that packet is not seen. The other host that should receive the traffic, is not seeing it |
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| 08:13.29 | TvL2386 | theothertom, A client is sending an arp request for the server. The server sees the arp request on the bond interface and I see a arp reply on the bond interface. That arp reply is not seen on the active slave interface eth4 (also not on the backup slave interface eth5) and the client is not getting the arp reply |
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| 08:14.47 | TvL2386 | it's interesting! :) |
| 08:14.57 | TvL2386 | currently in the process of creating a support ticket with RH |
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| 08:16.11 | TriJetScud | hey, my custom kernel's deb's are spitting out this message when I install the package on a different machine: Hmm. There is a symbolic link /lib/modules/3.9.4.1-morizono/build However, I can not read it: No such file or directory |
| 08:16.25 | TriJetScud | I've googled about this issue and a lot of the results are telling me to ignore it |
| 08:16.43 | TriJetScud | what should I have done during the make-kpkg process to prevent this from cropping up? |
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| 08:26.59 | theothertom | TvL2386: OK, that's just weird. Anything odd in iptables, dmesg, current interface state etc. ? |
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| 08:36.50 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I just upgraded to Wheezy and want to try using the synaptics driver on my ClickPad but no matter what I put in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, like a 10-evdev.conf with the touchpad and mouse stuff commented, and a 50-synaptics.conf file with the line MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*" the thing still loads the evdev driver for the touchpad. How can I tell it to piss off and force load the driver I want? |
| 08:37.36 | Pegasus_RPG | The sight of "Using input driver 'evdev' for 'PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'" is now rage-inducing. :) |
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| 08:47.53 | Pegasus_RPG | Okay, I commented it in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf so I've made progress but now I get (EE) synaptics: PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Synaptics driver unable to detect protocol |
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| 08:57.43 | Slydder | hey anyone here know how I could check if hotswap is enabled on my poweredge r410 from the cli? |
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| 09:02.27 | Argafal | hi folks. I have a trouble with fonts. I am using gnuplot to render pngs. For that it uses gdfonts. How to install any of them that contain greek symbols? Can I get a list of gdfonts currently installed on my system? See also http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.html#SECTION00091000000000000000 |
| 09:02.33 | funnyboy240 | Hi there . What do you really want to ask me? Where did you get it? it. How long have you been using it ? Your purpose is that it uses gdfonts. How much do you think it is? That's an interesting question. I'll come back to that in a minute. Why do you want to do it so much? I see. Thanks for that web address. |
| 09:03.05 | DusteD | Slydder, hotswap PSU, or CPU or RAM or HDD ? |
| 09:03.09 | funnyboy240 | Are you free? |
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| 09:03.52 | aswen | hi there, goodmorning, is there anyone here who can point me to a good tutorial on integrating a non-free driver into a netinst wheezy cd? |
| 09:03.57 | funnyboy240 | I think goodmorning is a lot of things. Hi there! |
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| 09:04.41 | histo | !firmware install |
| 09:05.15 | babilen | histo: Please message the bot with "/msg dpkg firmware" -- It is typically a good idea to ask about specific firmware/kernel modules. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:05.40 | histo | babilen: I was trying to tell aswen about it |
| 09:05.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell aswen -about custom cd |
| 09:06.17 | aswen | histo, babilen, thanks |
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| 09:07.06 | babilen | aswen: You might also want to take a look at http://www.n0r1sk.com/index.php/Debian_Remaster_Netinstaller_-_Integrate_Firmware_bnx2x_and_Preseed and ask in #debian-installer or #debian-cd on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:07.19 | Section58 | i guess he wasn't as funny as he thought |
| 09:07.33 | babilen | Argafal: What are gdfonts? |
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| 09:07.55 | aswen | babilen, cool thanks, i did not hear anything from dpkg btw |
| 09:08.27 | babilen | aswen: You didn't? You should have received a private message - Are you sure that you don't have a new tab/window somewhere in your client? |
| 09:09.06 | babilen | dpkg: custom cd |
| 09:09.06 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
| 09:09.11 | babilen | aswen: That one ^^ :) |
| 09:09.42 | aswen | ahh, now i see, it just did not show up when you typed "tell aswen about etc" |
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| 09:12.09 | Argafal | babilen: fonts loaded through libgd I guess? "These terminal types use the libgd support library, which searches for fonts in the directories given in the environmental variable GDFONTPATH. Once you get libgd fontpaths sorted out, you will probably want to set a default font for gnuplot. For example: setenv GNUPLOT_DEFAULT_GDFONT verdana" |
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| 09:14.00 | babilen | Argafal: That is a bit too gnuplot specific for me :) -- You might have some luck in #gnuplot, but it is beyond me why it doesn't use standard font loading mechanisms which would allow you to install/handle fonts with fontconfig (cf. <install font>) -- The reason is probably that gnuplot is ancient and, well, does its own thing there. |
| 09:15.24 | Argafal | babilen: Yes, I asked there before. But I think I figured it out now. I removed libgd-noxpm (whatever that means) and install libgd-tools and libgd-xpm instead. |
| 09:15.30 | Argafal | no it works, though I don't understand why |
| 09:16.09 | Argafal | *now |
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| 09:18.01 | babilen | Argafal: -noxpm is the variant of the package built without XDM and, in particular, fontconfig support. So if gnuplot used that before it had no way to access fonts via these two methods. |
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| 09:34.21 | schwanken | Hello: I created a tar archive from a whole debian system, reset the debian system with the "restore" option from my hoster, and then copied the backup back to / |
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| 09:34.28 | schwanken | Now I have a bad superblock |
| 09:34.45 | schwanken | How is it possible, that the bad superblock seems to be in the Archive, and how can I avoid this? |
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| 09:36.17 | Wulf | schwanken: did you tar up the block device? |
| 09:36.23 | nkuttler | schwanken: don't overwrite /dev |
| 09:36.38 | Wulf | schwanken: what nkuttler said. |
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| 09:37.32 | schwanken | Wulf, nkuttler: Ok, thank you. I will restore the system and try this... |
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| 09:52.25 | Ponsjuh | question i have this wierd problem.. i connect my laptop to the my network via wired and wireless |
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| 09:53.22 | Ponsjuh | now when i disconnect my wireless (seperate network so i can't access everything) i loose my dns settings |
| 09:53.38 | Ponsjuh | i tried configureing it via /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 09:54.40 | Ponsjuh | put somehow i get this '# Generated by NetworkManager' after i disconnect the wireless network |
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| 10:00.09 | mumpitze1 | Ponsjuh: use /etc/network/interfaces for configuration |
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| 10:00.46 | ex-parrot | how am I meant to edit the debian/packagename/DEBIAN/control file for a package? I'm trying to fix a bad runtime dependency and rebuild, but the file seems to get clobbered and re-generated from somewhere I can't find everytime I rebuild the package |
| 10:01.11 | Ponsjuh | mumpitzel... yes i'm playing with it now |
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| 10:02.22 | Ponsjuh | yes that did the trick |
| 10:02.24 | Ponsjuh | thanks |
| 10:03.08 | babilen | ex-parrot: It is typically just debian/control -- Which package is this? Also, packaging questions are typically handled in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net so I would recommend to take it there. |
| 10:03.19 | jelly | ex-parrot: look at debian/control and debian/* and try to figure out why/how the incorrect dependency gets picked (dh_shlibdeps not doing its job? Unclean environment with extra libs where they shouldn't be?) |
| 10:03.39 | ex-parrot | thanks guys. I suspect the issue is dh_shlibdeps |
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| 10:04.13 | ex-parrot | the binary package of miniupnpd from experimental installs just fine on squeeze, but rebuilding it to include a patch to fix ipv6 support seems to cause it to add a spurious dependency which doesn't exist anywhere in debian... |
| 10:04.28 | babilen | ex-parrot: But in order to help you we (and the people in -mentors) have to see the build log and relevant files in debian/* -- Please paste them to http://paste.debian.net and lets discuss it there. |
| 10:04.29 | jelly | babilen: does that channel allow for questions about custom packages that aren't meant for inclusion in debian at all? |
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| 10:05.11 | jelly | babilen: at joining, I get -ChanServ- [#debian-mentors] This channel is for getting help with packaging for the Debian archive. Other questions should be asked elsewhere. |
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| 10:05.53 | babilen | jelly: It really depends -- So far I am not under the impression that this is not about Debian - That channel typically does not explicitly support "Lets package proprietary software X", but if you tell people in there straight away it's fine IMHO |
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| 10:06.28 | babilen | jelly: But I am still under the impression that ex-parrot is working on *Debian* packages (from the archive or meant for the archive) ... |
| 10:06.40 | jelly | backports != archive |
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| 10:07.21 | jelly | tho, from the archive, yes |
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| 10:07.57 | babilen | Well, I wouldn't mind a question of "Hi, I am working on backporting FOO from experimental to squeeze (why, oh why?)" and don't think it is particularly off-topic. |
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| 10:08.55 | jelly | why, you say? I still have to backport stuff to lenny. |
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| 10:12.21 | ex-parrot | well, miniupnpd is a trivial backport. it's just a patch I'm trying to apply from the bugtracker that's giving me grief :) |
| 10:12.37 | Walex | jelly: you are so lucky! still backporting to 4/etch! |
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| 10:13.21 | ex-parrot | Walex: I'm fascinated to know why you still have to be running etch. that's gotta be a good story :P |
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| 10:19.45 | Walex | ex-parrot: lots of systems to upgrade, too little time. happens in a lot of "production" places.For similar reasons recently RedHat extended support for EL5 to 10 or 12 years because of customer demand. |
| 10:20.07 | ex-parrot | must be an impressive number of boxes |
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| 10:33.01 | bencc | I've increased the nofile limit of all users to 30K in /etc/security/limits.conf but when I check /proc/<pid>/limits I see Max open files 1024 4096 files |
| 10:33.28 | bencc | does it means that the process is still limited to 1024 TCP connections? |
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| 10:42.39 | ksk | ,version iceowl |
| 10:42.40 | judd | Package: iceowl on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0~b1+dfsg2-2+squeeze2; sid: 1.9-3 |
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| 10:42.48 | manva | hi there |
| 10:42.49 | ksk | why not in jessie? :X |
| 10:43.12 | ksk | is there some why not package X in jessie page? |
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| 10:43.33 | manva | question: with sudo chmod u+s shouldn't be the command to set the setuid? |
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| 10:45.10 | babilen | dpkg: why is iceowl not in testing |
| 10:45.11 | dpkg | iceowl is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceowl |
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| 10:45.33 | babilen | manva: Also, testing/unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 10:46.18 | manva | babilen: ? |
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| 10:48.28 | Walex | babilen: i know you know, but it is usually better to remember that the server is irc.debian.org (which is the same as irc.oftc.net behind the scenes) |
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| 10:49.33 | Joschii | hi |
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| 10:49.40 | babilen | manva: Check the webpage mentioned by our bot and ask testing/unstable specific questions in #debian-next :) |
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| 10:50.22 | manva | babilen: k |
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| 10:51.11 | babilen | Walex: yeah, but then we always end up in the "Oh, why is this not the official channel?" - "It is an official channel, but <oftc move>" "Oh, I see" discussion :) |
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| 11:00.26 | mogaj | I am not able to open lot of websites in my ststem mine is Ubuntu 13.04 OS but the other in same LAN are windows in which all websites are opening why is this ? do i need make any settings change in my Ubuntu system? |
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| 11:01.40 | babilen | dpkg: ubuntuirc mogaj |
| 11:01.40 | dpkg | mogaj: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 11:02.15 | mogaj | dpkg : thank yoi |
| 11:02.15 | dpkg | de nada, mogaj |
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| 11:05.17 | R_Rios | Hey. I'm using KDE with network manager and the network manager plasmoid and, for some reason, my wifi stops connecting every 10 minutes or so. Then I have to disable and enable the network for it to get back. |
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| 11:07.18 | R_Rios | (down again) |
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| 11:07.31 | R_Rios | Did my message arrive? |
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| 11:09.36 | ledestin | R_Rios: I guess it has |
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| 11:11.36 | alienjeff | What is the default bootloader for a basic Debian install? |
| 11:11.44 | alienjeff | Grub legacy or 2? |
| 11:11.48 | babilen | alienjeff: grub2 |
| 11:11.52 | alienjeff | tyvm |
| 11:11.55 | babilen | np |
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| 11:17.31 | colo-work | what do I need to be able to build packages via dh-make-perl (CPAN Modules -> .deb packages with proper dependecy information) for both squeeze and wheezy on the same host? will a chroot be necessary? |
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| 11:19.00 | elkng | I use mrxvt as terminal, and if I use "Shift +" or "Shift -" it changes its window size, how to rebind it ? |
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| 11:19.37 | nkuttler | elkng: did you try the man page yet, or /usr/share/doc/<package> ? |
| 11:19.57 | matttttttt | where is the wheezy place for storing static routes? |
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| 11:21.14 | matttttttt | just placing a file in /etc/network/if-up.d/ didnt work, and /etc/network/interfaces doesnt exist |
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| 11:23.30 | babilen | matttttttt: /etc/network/interfaces should exist on wheezy (it is created by the maintainer scripts of ifupdown) |
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| 11:23.57 | babilen | matttttttt: How did you install Debian and what does "dpkg -l ifupdown|tail -n1" give you? |
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| 11:24.32 | matttttttt | babilen: it does exist, didnt look right :) |
| 11:25.03 | elkng | I'm trying to adit .mrxvtrc to rebind those keys on something else adding these lines "mrxvt*hotkey*NewTab Shift-+" or "mrxvt*hotkey*NewTab Ctrl-Shift-+" but it doesn't works |
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| 11:29.34 | _droid | hi people, I have a canon iR2018i in my office and the printer apparently supports the "smb" protocol, and wanted to know how to scan documents with my debian machine. |
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| 11:32.22 | mumpitze1 | _droid: I doubt it supports smb for scanning |
| 11:32.37 | _droid | mumpitze1: what makes you think that? |
| 11:32.47 | mumpitze1 | smb is the older version of what is now called CIFS. think Windows for Workgroups network and printer shares. that's SMB |
| 11:33.23 | _droid | mumpitze1: there is no backward compatability? |
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| 11:33.36 | mumpitze1 | there is, but SMB doesn't support scanners |
| 11:33.45 | mumpitze1 | you can print via samba/smbfs |
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| 11:35.04 | _droid | mumpitze1: ah ok, now this is my situation I can print via network, over port 9100, now i just need to can |
| 11:35.08 | _droid | *scan |
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| 11:35.59 | elkng | if I press "Shift" and then on numpad I press "+", the same behaviour when I press "Ctrl-Shift" and press a regular "+" above alphabetical keys ? is that combination called "Shift-+" or "Ctrl-Shift-+" ? |
| 11:36.30 | _droid | mumpitze1: could you walk me through it? |
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| 11:37.55 | mumpitze1 | _droid: could you learn to think before typing? |
| 11:38.04 | mumpitze1 | _droid: and for a change read what people wrote? |
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| 11:40.33 | _droid | mumpitze1: ok, how can I access over the network the scanning device of my canon iR2018i |
| 11:41.07 | mumpitze1 | you can't |
| 11:42.06 | _droid | mumpitze1: hmpf |
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| 11:42.58 | mumpitze1 | _droid: if you actually did any work on your own and used a simple google query, you had found a not so great workaround: http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=2401 |
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| 11:53.36 | _droid | mumpitze1: what i entered into google was "canon iR2018i samba" |
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| 11:56.31 | mumpitze1 | _droid: network scangear for linux which is your windows scanning software I presume |
| 11:56.45 | elkng | _droid: its like "I can do samba iR2018i on" ? |
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| 12:02.51 | _droid | mumpitze1: thank you for the tip |
| 12:03.02 | _droid | elkng: great thanks |
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| 12:04.19 | Kyshtynbai | Guys, could you please explain me the following: I add the line in sorces.list: "deb http://some.mirror/debian/ testing main" and do apt-get update. As far as I know, packages from testing branch will now avaliable if I call "-t testng" key when installing. But it seems that -t key is not needed, and apt try to fetch packagest from testing by default! This is not what i want. Could you please help. |
| 12:05.37 | mumpitze1 | Kyshtynbai: no. they will be always installed by default now. you switch partially to testing with every install |
| 12:05.45 | mumpitze1 | !tell Kyshtynbai about pinning |
| 12:05.53 | elkng | _droid: you mean that page http://saysprasad.wordpress.com/category/network-file-access/ ? |
| 12:06.07 | mumpitze1 | Kyshtynbai: and what you are doing, even with pinning is a very bad idea and will sooner or later destroy you debian installation |
| 12:06.30 | mumpitze1 | Kyshtynbai: use backports instead |
| 12:06.42 | Kyshtynbai | mumpitze1: thanks, i see. I just wanted to install new network-manager |
| 12:06.50 | mumpitze1 | why would you want to do this? |
| 12:07.07 | Kyshtynbai | Because current doesn't work properly with openvpn |
| 12:07.23 | Kyshtynbai | And I cant find version i need in backports |
| 12:07.35 | Kyshtynbai | Looks like i have to compile it :(. |
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| 12:18.13 | aswen | hi there, I have been pointed to http://www.n0r1sk.com/index.php/Debian_Remaster_Netinstaller_-_Integrate_Firmware_bnx2x_and_Preseed this morning when asking how to include non-free firmware into an iso image |
| 12:18.50 | aswen | that site contains a link to a pretty nice script of DannF (http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to) |
| 12:19.34 | aswen | and that script was a bit outdated. so I took the freedom to copy it and add wheezy and replace mkisofs with genisoimage |
| 12:20.07 | aswen | and for anyone who likes it i republished it on github: https://github.com/aswen/scripts/blob/master/add_firmware_to_deb_iso |
| 12:20.30 | aswen | thanks babilen for pointing me in the right direction! |
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| 12:21.05 | pagios_ | hello first time user, i am planing on installing a webserver that will mainly store files in /var i am partioning as follow please let me know if that is fine: EXT3 Mount / Primary 20GB , SWAP Logical 6GB /var Logical ext3 135 GB |
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| 12:21.55 | jargon | pagios: that would depend entirely on the disk usage of whatever applications you will run on that webserver |
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| 12:22.39 | jargon | pagios: generally, i like to put /var/log on a separate partition, so in case logging goes crazy sometime, it doesn't bring everything down with it |
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| 12:23.13 | jargon | pagios: /var is also where apt does it's caching. so keep that in mind too |
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| 12:24.05 | Samuraialba | How well would Debian 7.0 run on a Dell R200 with 8GB RAM, Dual Xeon X3330's, and 2x146GB 10K SAS drives? |
| 12:24.42 | ChrisH_ | Samuraialba: depends on your definition of "runs well" :) |
| 12:24.43 | nevyn | for what? |
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| 12:25.07 | Samuraialba | Under a hypervisor |
| 12:25.17 | nevyn | Samuraialba: as a guest? |
| 12:25.18 | zykotick9 | pagios: you probably shouldn't cross post to multiple irc channels (especially not at the same time). also, posting to both #ubuntu and #debian makes me suspicious of what distro you are actually running. |
| 12:25.26 | Samuraialba | using it to host a few mumble servers, and a few teamspeak servers, plus other VMs |
| 12:25.46 | Samuraialba | Debian 7 would be a guest |
| 12:26.04 | pagios | zykotick9: wnt many feedback on that since its a geenral question |
| 12:26.15 | nevyn | Samuraialba: how much ram are you going to give it? |
| 12:26.24 | Samuraialba | 2GB for Debian |
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| 12:26.43 | Samuraialba | 2 Xeon Cores |
| 12:26.44 | jargon | pagios: honestly, it's too general for you to get any meaningful feedback, imo |
| 12:26.57 | nevyn | Samuraialba: what do you expect it to do? |
| 12:27.12 | Samuraialba | Run 2 Mumble and 1 TS server in Debian |
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| 12:27.32 | Samuraialba | Run Win 2k8R2 with 4GB and 4 cores for learning purposes |
| 12:27.35 | nevyn | does that stuff virtualise ok? |
| 12:27.49 | Samuraialba | It has in the past on an associates server |
| 12:27.59 | Samuraialba | Also getting a CISCO lab set up |
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| 12:29.41 | pav5088 | I seem to remember a tool for creating a virtual package which has a single dependency and provides another package... eg. php5-mysqlnd SHOULD provide php5-mysql, but I think there's a way for achieving this with a virtual package, and a tool that makes this much easier. |
| 12:29.43 | pagios | ext4 better than ext3? |
| 12:29.46 | pav5088 | Any hints? |
| 12:29.49 | pav5088 | ideas? |
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| 12:30.15 | digdilem | I have a program running that fetches things via http. I wish to proxy that via another machine (perhaps socks, perhaps tunnelling). I have shell at both ends. How could I best force the app to get stuff via that proxy? |
| 12:30.26 | nevyn | tinyproxy |
| 12:30.28 | nevyn | or squid |
| 12:30.53 | digdilem | thanks, I'll take a look at tinyproxy. squid would be a bit heavy, I think |
| 12:30.58 | pav5088 | Samuraialba, how do you deploy your machines? With OPSI?? or a non-OSS solution? |
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| 12:31.14 | Samuraialba | pav5088, I would be doing manual installs from disc |
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| 12:31.25 | Samuraialba | Unless I set the poweredge up. I have an 840 here |
| 12:31.48 | pav5088 | Samuraialba, you should really look at OPSI... it's pretty damned fine for doing this kind of thing very quickly. |
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| 12:32.25 | pav5088 | Samuraialba, where are you in Oz by the way? |
| 12:32.36 | dash00 | Hi, I'm trying to base64 encode image and put it into variable, but it still has problem with special characters. None of these works for me http://www.zzzxo.com/q/answers-bash-base64-encode-script-not-encoding-right-12290484.html some idea ? thanks |
| 12:33.25 | pagios | better to go ext3 or ext4 on my debian 6.0 ? |
| 12:33.36 | digdilem | nevyn, I forgot one important point. The app is not proxy aware, will I be able to construct URLs that go via the proxy and contain the final destination? |
| 12:33.38 | dash00 | something like this $BASE=$( printf ${IMAGE} | base64); tried `echo -ne ` ... |
| 12:33.39 | jargon | digdilem: i hear nginx does proxying too. haven't tried it before, though |
| 12:34.02 | Samuraialba | pav5088, I'm actually in Vineland, NJ, US |
| 12:34.06 | pav5088 | Samuraialba, I've actually written some scripts to set up an OPSI deployment station pretty quickly. If what you're doing is a once off it might not be worth tinkering with, but otherwise this will make life much easier. |
| 12:34.07 | dash00 | pagios, I'm happy with ext4 |
| 12:34.07 | nevyn | digdilem: what is the app? |
| 12:34.12 | digdilem | zoneminder |
| 12:34.18 | nevyn | it doesn't honor http_proxy? |
| 12:34.22 | pagios | dash00: on debian 6? |
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| 12:34.28 | digdilem | it might, actually. good point |
| 12:34.31 | pagios | when it comes to performance what is best? ext3 or 4? |
| 12:34.49 | dash00 | ext4 has better, yes on debian 6 |
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| 12:35.00 | digdilem | pagios, ext4, but there are different results based on usage tests. Quite a few comparison sites explain in detail |
| 12:35.19 | pav5088 | Samuraialba, I misread CISCO as "CSIRO" (which is an Australian research institution) |
| 12:36.27 | Samuraialba | lol np |
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| 12:45.26 | jelly | pagios: ... better not to install debian 6 at all when debian 7 is available |
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| 12:46.58 | pagios | jelly: is it production ready? |
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| 12:47.22 | jelly | pagios: yes. |
| 12:47.57 | pagios | i use with vmware amd64 ? |
| 12:48.08 | ksk | was there some hint about "missing config" (to reinstall a config without purging package) |
| 12:48.13 | ksk | for dpkg-bot? |
| 12:48.45 | jelly | pagios: I have no idea what your vmware platform and version is, or what it supports. debian 7 amd64 works on my employer's oldish vSphere 4.0 |
| 12:49.12 | pagios | what would be the best image for the virtualization? |
| 12:49.33 | jelly | no idea about premade images, sorry |
| 12:49.51 | pagios | downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:50.04 | jelly | we install with the normal installer and make a template on our own |
| 12:51.34 | themill | !confmiss |
| 12:51.34 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 12:51.44 | jelly | pagios: ... and use versions of open-vm-dkms and open-vm-tools available in debian 7 |
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| 12:52.48 | pagios | jelly: my bad, i am using virtualbox not vmware |
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| 12:53.36 | jelly | lets someone else touch a vbox question with a ten foot pole |
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| 12:55.03 | nkuttler | pagios: you want to virtualize gui stuff? |
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| 12:55.15 | pagios | nkuttler: no running headless |
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| 12:56.20 | nkuttler | pagios: libvirt/virt-manager is much nicer for that |
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| 12:56.38 | nkuttler | pagios: just make a base install you like and clone it later |
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| 12:57.33 | pagios | nkuttler: using phpvirtualbox something like that |
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| 12:57.58 | nkuttler | pagios: hm? |
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| 12:59.11 | babilen | pagios: No, using virt-manager or the command line tools (you mentioned headless) |
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| 12:59.43 | babilen | pagios: But take a look at http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Management_Tools to learn about management tools for KVM |
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| 13:00.54 | pagios | ok |
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| 13:20.57 | Madison_I | HI everyone... If I install an app through synaptic what folder on my filesystem is it installed to :? |
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| 13:21.27 | ksk | Madison_I: what "app" are you talking about? |
| 13:21.46 | ksk | what Desktop are you using? in general programms should appar in the menues somewhere somehow autmagicly |
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| 13:22.42 | babilen | Madison_I: And Linux adheres to File Hierarchy Standard so packages (not "apps") are installed all over the place. You can see all installed files with "dpkg -L name-of-the-package". |
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| 13:22.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Madison_I about hier |
| 13:23.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell Madison_I about fhs |
| 13:23.12 | Madison_I | ksk: Just any app in general. I have a debian minimal install running lxde & I was just wondering where installed apps to to... |
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| 13:23.29 | nevyn | Madison_I: everywhere. |
| 13:23.43 | Warp4 | pagios, you ever get that image to install? |
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| 13:23.55 | pagios | yep |
| 13:23.58 | pagios | why? |
| 13:24.02 | Madison_I | ok thank you for the info :) |
| 13:24.14 | nevyn | Madison_I: the binaries in a bin or sbin dir somewhere the libs in a libdir somewere the shared stuff in /usr/share/app etc |
| 13:24.18 | Warp4 | pagios, just wondering. following up on messages im reading in my znc logs :) |
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| 13:24.44 | Warp4 | pagios, I actually run EXSI 5 here at home |
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| 13:25.15 | Madison_I | nevyn: thanks for the info |
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| 13:35.17 | sbl_ | Hi |
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| 13:36.02 | sbl_ | I was deleted initial nginx file in /etc/init.d/ and I don't know How permamently reinstall nginx with rebuild all configuration. Anybody help me? |
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| 13:37.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell sbl_ about confdel |
| 13:37.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell sbl_ about confmiss |
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| 13:42.47 | pagios | is that fine as a disk partioning? http://pbrd.co/1b09NJ6 |
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| 13:42.52 | AnywhereIs | hi, i've been downloading debian 7 binary dvd isos but there are only 3 of 10 available on mirrors, why is that? |
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| 13:43.46 | babilen | AnywhereIs: Because you typically don't need all DVDs (are you not connected to the internet?) and you can build the rest using jigdo |
| 13:44.19 | AnywhereIs | while that's true, older releases are available |
| 13:44.21 | Trek00 | Hi, is this useful to reports bugs to debian when a bug is an upstream bug? |
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| 13:44.31 | nevyn | Trek00: sometimes. |
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| 13:44.33 | AnywhereIs | and jidgo takes ages |
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| 13:45.04 | nevyn | Trek00: I usually do because I want the dd to package a fix when it's sorted ;) |
| 13:45.12 | babilen | AnywhereIs: Do you really need the entire set? |
| 13:45.24 | themill | AnywhereIs: are you actually one of the 4 people in the world that needs more than DVD1? |
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| 13:45.33 | Trek00 | nevyn: I have two bugs, one related to webkit that badly renders widgets without composition, the other is a simple diagonal tearing on XVideo with some old radeon cards |
| 13:45.35 | pagios | i need a feedback plase |
| 13:45.41 | pagios | http://pbrd.co/1b09NJ6 |
| 13:45.48 | AnywhereIs | not that i really really need it, i just usually mirror all debian dvds |
| 13:45.56 | ChrisH_ | pagios: I normally put swap into LVM, too. Why are there 2 LVM parts? #1 and #7 ? |
| 13:46.01 | nevyn | Trek00: so is it xvideo or in X? |
| 13:46.06 | nevyn | do you know for sure? |
| 13:46.13 | themill | AnywhereIs: mirroring the ones that people actually use is sufficient then |
| 13:46.17 | nevyn | if not file it debian and see where it lands |
| 13:46.30 | Trek00 | nevyn: it is a bug on the radeon driver of Xorg |
| 13:46.35 | AnywhereIs | anyway i've been wondering is there any actual reason behind that |
| 13:46.51 | f8l | AnywhereIs: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#not-all-images |
| 13:46.56 | themill | AnywhereIs: sure. This is covered in the CD faq |
| 13:47.05 | folivora | Hi, I did upgrade Sueeze -> Wheezy. Everything seems to be working, but there is an issue with gnome-shell-extensions. When I am trying to install something I can more button to [ON] position, but when I check again it isnt installed so basicly nothing happens. I have tailed .xsessions-error file but there is nothing. Only complains about tracker-store:4300): Tracker-WARNING **: database table is locked (strerror of errno (not necessarily related): No such file |
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| 13:47.23 | pagios | ChrisH: #1 and #7 are 2 partitonis |
| 13:47.24 | themill | AnywhereIs: tl;dr: why waste disk space and bandwidth on them? |
| 13:47.27 | pagios | pointintg to / and /var |
| 13:47.29 | folivora | Is there some good way to verify that was the upgrade succesfully |
| 13:47.35 | AnywhereIs | okay i see |
| 13:47.42 | nevyn | Trek00: so some upstreams would rather get a bug from the dd. |
| 13:47.58 | nevyn | Trek00: I think the bts is probably the right place |
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| 13:48.08 | AnywhereIs | thanks |
| 13:48.10 | Trek00 | nevyn: thank you much :) |
| 13:48.54 | nevyn | Trek00: the dd is in a better place to determin if the problem is debian specific or actually upstream |
| 13:49.06 | nevyn | and to check it's not resolved upstream already |
| 13:49.07 | ChrisH | pagios: I do understand they are partions. I asked why you had 20GB and a 145GB LVM part |
| 13:49.33 | pagios | 20Gb -> / and 145 into /var |
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| 13:52.13 | Trek00 | nevyn: a second less important question: there is a document about dependencies? I found some packages that depends on others while it could be instead reccomended (like libsoup depends on glib-networking) |
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| 13:52.50 | ChrisH | pagios: given its only one VG its loos fine to me. BUT normally I leave allways disk space in LVM unused as spare. |
| 13:53.01 | Trek00 | pagios: with LVM you can add many logical partions on a single LVM partition |
| 13:53.36 | pagios | you mean by LVM oartition a LV? |
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| 13:54.25 | ChrisH | pagios: one VG and severls LVs in one VG |
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| 13:54.50 | Trek00 | pagios: you can make a single lvm partition, than you can create multiple partitions in it |
| 13:55.27 | pagios | Trek00: you mean by single lvm partion = VG and multiple partitons = LVs |
| 13:55.46 | Trek00 | pagios: yes |
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| 13:57.53 | sbl_ | I deleted /etc/init.d/nginx ;d How Can I recovery this? |
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| 13:58.03 | genn | ciao |
| 13:58.11 | jelly | loves how pagios is able to keep track of essentially the same conversation both in #debian and ##linux |
| 13:58.17 | genn | !list |
| 13:58.17 | dpkg | genn: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 13:58.26 | Trek00 | pagios: for performances and bugs, in general the swap partition should be at the start of the disk (faster) like the boot partition (boot loader problems sometimes) |
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| 13:59.03 | pagios | Trek00: so better to create first the boot then the swap partition and than start wit hthe VG to include the LVs? |
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| 13:59.38 | Trek00 | pagios: it should be a better partitioning |
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| 14:07.24 | Trek00 | pagios: I don't know the usage of the new system that you will install, but I usually create separate partitions for /, /usr, /var and, on desktops, /home |
| 14:07.54 | pagios | Trek00: mainly a webserver |
| 14:07.57 | pagios | all in /var |
| 14:08.07 | cerettala_laptop | I wish PFsense had OSPF support :( |
| 14:08.26 | Trek00 | pagios: then no /home needs |
| 14:08.32 | pagios | yep |
| 14:08.38 | Trek00 | pagios: /usr is useful only to mount it read-only |
| 14:08.54 | ChrisH | pagios: and allways keep disk space unused |
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| 14:09.36 | Trek00 | yes, at least 5-20% of the disk must always be freespace to avoid fragmetation |
| 14:09.38 | pagios | ChrisH: you mean inside the VG? |
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| 14:11.20 | Warp4 | so is updatedb missing from wheezy? |
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| 14:11.37 | Trek00 | pagios: I think ChrisH means inside the filesytem (ext4) |
| 14:12.00 | themill | Warp4: it's in the mlocate package |
| 14:12.16 | ChrisH | pagios: yes. My setup can be seen here: http://paste.debian.net/8423/ |
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| 14:13.03 | pagios | ChrisH: you mean keep freespace in VG so in case needed i extend with them some LV s ? |
| 14:13.08 | Warp4 | themill, thanks |
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| 14:13.38 | jelly | Trek00: separating /usr is unwise this side of the century |
| 14:13.41 | ChrisH | pagios: I meant keep unused PEs in VG. In Filesystem you should not fill up to max. |
| 14:14.04 | ChrisH | pagios: ACK, "keep freespace in VG so in case needed i extend with them some LVs" |
| 14:14.35 | Trek00 | jelly: it's faster, less fragmented and safer |
| 14:14.50 | jelly | Trek00: [citation needed] |
| 14:15.08 | Trek00 | jelly: modern filesystems are like database, you should partition them keeping in mind the usage |
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| 14:15.33 | Trek00 | jelly: for example with tune2fs and ext4 you can see the lifetime writes on a partition |
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| 14:16.59 | Trek00 | jelly: with my last wheezy install (desktop) I have these lifetime writes: / 650MB, /usr 2GB, /var 16GB, /home 85GB |
| 14:17.04 | jelly | Trek00: that says absolutely nothing about each of the questionable statements |
| 14:17.29 | Trek00 | jelly: where the partition sizes are: / 500MB, /usr 2.5GB, /var 500MB, /home 2.5GB |
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| 14:17.52 | jelly | Trek00: so / and /usr have pretty much the same write/size ratio. |
| 14:17.56 | Trek00 | jelly: it's about fragmetation, less writes, less fragmentation |
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| 14:18.31 | aswen | babilen, did you know about this repo? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 14:18.35 | pagios | maybe it would be a good idea to give /tmp 10GB too |
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| 14:18.38 | jelly | Trek00: I posit that most writes on / and /usr are done by dpkg, replace whole files only, and do not introduce fragmentation at all. |
| 14:18.52 | Trek00 | jelly: also when the kernel crash (or power outage) normally only /var and /home are unclean |
| 14:19.02 | aswen | histo, ^^ |
| 14:19.15 | jelly | Trek00: I think separating /usr is useless |
| 14:19.16 | Trek00 | jelly: yes, / and /usr are static data |
| 14:19.39 | jelly | Trek00: and it's going to be actively harmful soonish |
| 14:19.45 | Trek00 | jelly: I mount /usr readonly, no write caches, safe crash :) |
| 14:20.07 | jelly | Trek00: nothing writes there except dpkg anyway, much like / |
| 14:20.34 | Trek00 | jelly: in / there is /root and some /etc file that sometime changes |
| 14:20.56 | Trek00 | jelly: with the new /run it is simpler to mount read only / too |
| 14:21.45 | Trek00 | jelly: also you can fsck /usr having only / mounted |
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| 14:24.02 | Trek00 | pagios: you may want also to separate /var/www from the system /var, to have simpler backup/restore separation between system and data |
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| 14:24.42 | pagios | good idea |
| 14:25.29 | Argafal | babilen: thanks for the clarification earlier (11:18). |
| 14:25.41 | Argafal | babilen: GMT+2, that is :-> |
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| 14:27.15 | pagios | wats ther main differnece between a primary partion and a logical one |
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| 14:27.43 | babilen | aswen: Sure, it recommend those images frequently. Why? |
| 14:28.16 | babilen | s/it/I/ |
| 14:28.28 | Trek00 | pagios: nothing at kernel level, it is only a bios representation |
| 14:28.58 | Trek00 | pagios: /boot (or / if /boot is absent) must be primary |
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| 14:29.58 | moof2 | pagios, these things were defined by microsoft style partition table |
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| 14:31.35 | moof2 | pagios, they originally defined four partitions on a drive; when people needed more, they said you can have one of those four as an "extended" partition, in which you can have more partitions |
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| 14:31.45 | aswen | babilen, (no offence!) you pointed me to an instruction to include the firmware binaries into a debian iso. so I thought you did not know about those iso's ;-) |
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| 14:32.03 | aswen | neither did i, but DannF just pointed me to them |
| 14:32.29 | moof2 | aswen, and the firmware from the cd loaded? |
| 14:32.40 | pagios | i am not able to put swap in a VG |
| 14:32.41 | babilen | aswen: Didn't you ask specifically about customising an installer? |
| 14:32.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell aswen -about installer firmware |
| 14:32.47 | pagios | i get an error at installation with ????? |
| 14:32.50 | pagios | and i have to reboot |
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| 14:34.07 | randomino | Hello, how is every one doing? Does anyone know how to add more regions/languages in GNOME3's Region and Language? |
| 14:34.09 | moof2 | no, that's true. you CAN put swap into an LV |
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| 14:34.22 | aswen | babilen, yes i did, but that was because i wasn't aware of those nice images |
| 14:34.31 | Trek00 | pagios: I had a similar with the partitioner, but once rebooted it no more showed up |
| 14:34.44 | pagios | Trek00: that my third time |
| 14:34.52 | pagios | what could it be related to? |
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| 14:35.08 | babilen | aswen: Well, ask about the things you *really* want to achieve rather than about how you think you can achieve them. (cf. <xy problem>) |
| 14:35.25 | Trek00 | pagios: I had created and deleted several times a device-mapper partition, but it was only one time |
| 14:35.40 | pagios | virtual machine Trek00 ? |
| 14:35.46 | jordilopezamat | Hello, ¿has anyone experienced something like "how to stick with php5 5.3.x" need ? :-) |
| 14:35.52 | Trek00 | not, a real console |
| 14:36.01 | aswen | moof2, after customising the images using an updated version of the script yes I was perfectly able to boot, so it wasn't a problem, it was just that i had no idea that debian might even ship such an iso ;-) |
| 14:36.05 | babilen | aswen: You can typically also just provide firmware on a USB stick or copy it to the second partition on the USB stick if you install from USB. |
| 14:36.09 | pagios | Trek00: i actually deleted several times too |
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| 14:36.19 | jelly | jordilopezamat: keep the system on squeeze or run your app in a squeeze chroot until you can migrate |
| 14:36.43 | jordilopezamat | mmmh... jelly , but i'm in wheezy !? |
| 14:36.53 | moof2 | aswen, ahh. yes shipping it might be legally problematic |
| 14:36.59 | Trek00 | pagios: may be there are problems when switching between disk partitions, raid partitions and lvm partitions screen |
| 14:37.02 | aswen | babilen, yeah yeah i know but i did not want to because i was working on a remote server through a hp iLo thing that is just able to virtually mount only one thing at a time |
| 14:37.09 | jelly | jordilopezamat: so use the second option!? |
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| 14:37.29 | aswen | moof2, i mean serving it for download, not litteraly ship |
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| 14:37.34 | moof2 | aswen, having said any of that, glad you got the installer and firmware working |
| 14:37.38 | pagios | Trek00: i am choosign manual configuring the filesystems and then pressing on build lvm |
| 14:37.43 | pagios | should i build lvm first? |
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| 14:38.05 | frostschutz | pagios, if swap is the only problem, you can always add swap later |
| 14:38.11 | moof2 | literally, if you ship on a ship, things can get wetxx |
| 14:38.19 | babilen | aswen: Then just ask about that and let us think of ways to achieve that -- It is always really hard to help someone if one doesn't know what tht person tries to do. |
| 14:38.21 | Trek00 | pagios: not, I think that it is the corret way |
| 14:38.22 | aswen | anyways, as said babilen, i was mentioning that repo just for your convenience as i thought you did not knew it and might like it ;-) |
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| 14:38.35 | jordilopezamat | ok jelly, i take note of your suggestion ... . Alternatevaly, ¿have you heard about the possibilty of apt-get (ing) a specfic package version ? ... |
| 14:39.13 | babilen | aswen: It is the standard installer I recommend to almost everyone who wants to install Debian. |
| 14:39.26 | jelly | jordilopezamat: yes I have. No, you can't downgrade php5 to the one from squeeze that way. |
| 14:39.41 | jordilopezamat | jelly, ... out there, it seems that there is people typing things like apt-get install php5=5.3.3-7+squeeze8 php5-common=5.3.3-7+squeeze8 |
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| 14:39.53 | jelly | jordilopezamat: they are FOOLS! |
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| 14:40.33 | jordilopezamat | ... mmh, i see. jelly |
| 14:40.38 | jelly | (it might work but then you're basically unable to keep track of security updates automatically) |
| 14:40.39 | aswen | babilen, then i wonder why you didn't sugest me those iso as an alternative of creating them myself ;-) |
| 14:40.55 | aswen | but i was very happy with your help this morning! |
| 14:40.58 | Trek00 | jordilopezamat: it may work, you should see the dependecies |
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| 14:41.22 | jordilopezamat | ... ok, but, ¿what if i tell you that this just for a test personal server ? |
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| 14:41.47 | jordilopezamat | (thanks for your point Trek00 ) |
| 14:41.53 | Trek00 | jordilopezamat: try to download manually the .deb packages and install with dpkg -i |
| 14:41.53 | jelly | aswen: as for iLO, you can mount a virtual cdrom and a virtual usb stick (or virtual floppy on older iLO) at the same time |
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| 14:42.10 | aswen | jelly, tried, java crashed ;-) |
| 14:42.11 | jordilopezamat | jelly, ... ¿does it change your point of view ? |
| 14:42.18 | jelly | aswen: but yes, the firmware image is better |
| 14:42.33 | moof2 | pagios, did you see my explanation of the msdos partition table? |
| 14:42.37 | aswen | yes it is. will never ever download the other one. |
| 14:42.38 | jordilopezamat | Ok Trek00, i think that i will follow your suggestion ... |
| 14:42.51 | pagios | yea moof2 so? |
| 14:42.52 | pagios | thanks |
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| 14:43.20 | babilen | aswen: I told you about links that discuss customising the isntaller. I had no idea that you were interested in firmware only, but wanted to show you the general method. Either way, it is solved. Just remember to tell us what you want to achieve, not about something else ... http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 14:43.33 | jelly | jordilopezamat: I would say I do not believe you, Sir! |
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| 14:43.34 | jordilopezamat | but sitll, Trek00 ... |
| 14:44.02 | moof2 | pagios, the four partitions are "primary partitions", and partitions defined in the extended partition are considered "logical partitions" (logical volumes are a different thing, and are defined by something in linux) |
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| 14:44.08 | jordilopezamat | (dont' understando you jelly... could you be more explicit ? ) |
| 14:44.35 | pagios | moof2: i am defiing /boot / and /var as primary partitions |
| 14:44.43 | pagios | not using logical |
| 14:44.53 | moof2 | ok |
| 14:44.56 | dekiss | my debian installed some browser |
| 14:44.57 | Trek00 | jordilopezamat: you should try and see, the packages are php5 and php5-common, but if they are compiled with incompatible libraries it won't run or run with strange results |
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| 14:45.01 | dekiss | which one installed? |
| 14:45.05 | dekiss | as important update |
| 14:45.05 | moof2 | then /home will be on the / partition |
| 14:45.20 | jordilopezamat | Trek00 how do i prevent from upgrades ? |
| 14:45.23 | dekiss | Iceweasel? |
| 14:45.31 | dekiss | based on mozilla |
| 14:46.23 | babilen | dekiss: When did "it" install that? |
| 14:46.26 | gaf | hello, I need help to reset the root password. I have this old mac g4 laptop, that i managed to install debian on it a long time ago. now i need access, i have right now a prompt that starts with "boot:" in front of me, i guess i still in didn't start the kernel, i'm a beginner anyway. |
| 14:46.33 | Trek00 | jordilopezamat: may you can lock with aptitude (press key = or : ), but I don't know with apt-get only |
| 14:46.37 | dekiss | I installed Debian on my laptop and I feel safe finally |
| 14:46.39 | dekiss | ^^ |
| 14:46.56 | dekiss | babilen just now I just installed debian yesterady |
| 14:46.58 | randomino | How does one go into #debian-glibc? |
| 14:47.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell gaf -about ifrp |
| 14:47.07 | moof2 | gaf, try hitting enter |
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| 14:47.42 | Trek00 | pagios: if you want to use LVM you can create only two partitions: /boot and lvm (wich contains /, /var and /var/www) |
| 14:47.50 | gaf | if i hit enter it goes all the way, till the username UI, and i loose access to the prompt |
| 14:47.55 | moof2 | for resetting th eroot passwd, you have to do something special, like boot a rescue cd and mount the / and edit the /etc/shadow |
| 14:48.06 | babilen | randomino: You simply join that channel, but I doubt that it exists on this network (or on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net) |
| 14:48.10 | dekiss | iceweasel browser I think it installed |
| 14:48.15 | dekiss | is this good browser? |
| 14:48.35 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: iceweasel is firefox |
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| 14:48.39 | babilen | randomino: Oh, it does exist! (on irc.debian.org with the rest of the official/development channels though) -- you learn something new every day |
| 14:48.51 | dekiss | completely same ? |
| 14:48.53 | Trek00 | randomino: pressing the little X in the channel box on top |
| 14:49.05 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: Yes, just re-branded. |
| 14:49.08 | dekiss | iceweasel is name for debian firefox? |
| 14:49.10 | f8l | dekiss: The logo differs. ;-) |
| 14:49.11 | dekiss | why? |
| 14:49.13 | dekiss | why why |
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| 14:49.17 | pagios | Trek00: http://pbrd.co/18QTDFd |
| 14:49.19 | pagios | step` |
| 14:49.22 | pagios | step1 |
| 14:49.23 | dekiss | why they changed name is it from mozilla? |
| 14:49.28 | DotHack | dekiss: logo issues.. |
| 14:49.28 | Trek00 | dekiss: firefox name is trademarked |
| 14:49.30 | jhutchins_wk | Trek00: Why a seperate /boot? |
| 14:49.32 | dekiss | why they changed name and logo |
| 14:49.32 | pagios | anything to sayt? i will include /var and not /vr/www alone |
| 14:49.35 | moof2 | mozilla asked them to |
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| 14:49.41 | jhutchins_wk | !why iceweasel |
| 14:49.42 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 14:49.42 | dekiss | iceweasel is from mozilla? |
| 14:49.55 | dekiss | ok |
| 14:49.57 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: no it's not |
| 14:50.04 | Trek00 | dekiss: iceweasel is the exact copy of firefox without the logo and the name |
| 14:50.04 | dekiss | so who is maintaing iceweasel? |
| 14:50.20 | dekiss | it will update itself? |
| 14:50.27 | pagios | Trek00: now i will press Configure the LVM |
| 14:50.27 | dekiss | I will uninstall iceweasel |
| 14:50.27 | Goethe | debian mozilla team |
| 14:50.33 | pagios | and it will explode with the ???????????// |
| 14:50.33 | dekiss | and install firefox |
| 14:50.35 | dekiss | is this ok? |
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| 14:50.46 | pagios | is my configuration fine for now Trek00 ? http://pbrd.co/18QTDFd |
| 14:50.48 | moof2 | dekiss, in the sense they wrote it, yes... but debian replaced the name and logos |
| 14:50.51 | Trek00 | pagios: I hope not, but I normally don't use lvm |
| 14:50.52 | dekiss | will iceweasel update when regular firefox updates? |
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| 14:51.10 | dekiss | should I uninstall iceweasel and install firefox? |
| 14:51.19 | Trek00 | pagios: with this setup you have no lvm partitions, only real partitions |
| 14:51.28 | moof2 | dekiss, remember that takes time and effort... |
| 14:51.32 | pagios | i am about to setup nwo the VG |
| 14:51.32 | Walex | dekiss: are you sure you are aware of the difference between packaged sw and unpackaged sw? |
| 14:51.45 | Trek00 | dekiss: iceweasel only update to firefox esr versions |
| 14:52.25 | Walex | dekiss: Iceweasel is the Debian packaged version of the same code as Firefox, Firefox is the unpackaged (in the Debian sense) version of the same code as Iceweasel. |
| 14:52.30 | dekiss | Walex what is packaged and unpackaged sw? |
| 14:52.44 | dekiss | ok |
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| 14:52.53 | dekiss | so I should uninstall iceweasel and instal lfirefox right? |
| 14:52.59 | dekiss | I think that will be better |
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| 14:53.04 | dekiss | even I like this logo ^^ |
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| 14:53.11 | pagios | should i create a LV to swap? |
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| 14:53.15 | Trek00 | pagios: it is not a problem at all if you don't need to resize the partitions |
| 14:53.37 | Walex | dekiss: packaged is sw that comes in tracked archives like '.deb' ones, and is maintained by the packaging system in use. Unpackaged sw is archived in a generic archive like ZIP or tar and you maintain it deployment. |
| 14:53.46 | dekiss | I can't run browser if I don't install gui? |
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| 14:53.54 | Trek00 | pagios: not, LVM is not needed at all, it is a feature to resize partitions without data loss |
| 14:54.07 | dekiss | thanks for information |
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| 14:54.11 | dekiss | I am totally new to linux |
| 14:54.25 | pagios | Trek00: should i create a LV to swap? |
| 14:54.30 | dekiss | can I run irc client and browser if I don't install gui? |
| 14:54.31 | Trek00 | pagios: not |
| 14:54.41 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: There are browsers that work in the non-GUI console. Some can even display images. |
| 14:54.47 | babilen | dekiss: Yoy should use iceweasel as packaged in Debian -- It *is* firefox. |
| 14:55.37 | babilen | dekiss: See also http://mozilla.debian.net/ for information on how to track different release channels of firefox -- Which version of Debian do you use and which version/release channel of firefox do you want to track? |
| 14:55.45 | Trek00 | pagios: if you don't need lvm you can press finish and write to disk |
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| 14:55.54 | jhutchins_wk | Macedonia again. |
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| 14:57.25 | pagios | Trek00: http://pbrd.co/18QV3j7 |
| 14:57.27 | pagios | cool enough? |
| 14:57.33 | pagios | can i proceed finally? |
| 14:57.38 | babilen | dekiss: You might also want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html (and the rest of the book) |
| 14:57.39 | dekiss | ok |
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| 14:57.56 | dekiss | can I install irc client without gui? |
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| 14:58.13 | Warp4 | dekiss, you can use irssi or bitchx |
| 14:58.20 | dekiss | every installation of every package eats resources? |
| 14:58.29 | dekiss | can I install packages throu command promt not from gui? |
| 14:58.33 | babilen | dekiss: The "release" repo of iceweasel follows firefox releases. But iceweasel is integrated into the system (and supported by us) while firefox is not. Just use that if you require a newer version. |
| 14:58.42 | Trek00 | pagios: I think you misunderstood lvm: it is a feature to resize partitions; if you want to use it you should create only one lvm partition, then create many LV in it |
| 14:58.48 | dekiss | if I install package and I dont have gui installed will that package eat resources? |
| 14:58.52 | babilen | dekiss: Sure you can -- See the chapter in the debian-handbook that I told you about earlier. |
| 14:58.59 | pagios | Trek00: thats wat i did no??? |
| 14:59.01 | Trek00 | pagios: if you don't need lvm features the previous setup was fine |
| 14:59.15 | babilen | dekiss: it will consume space on the harddisk, yes (how could it not if it is installed) |
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| 14:59.28 | pagios | Trek00: i do need them for resizing my /var later on |
| 14:59.38 | Trek00 | pagios: not, as you can see in the screenshot, under SCSI sda you have 3 lvm partitions, you need only one |
| 14:59.57 | dekiss | no |
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| 15:00.00 | dekiss | I mean not hard disk space |
| 15:00.04 | dekiss | ram and cpu |
| 15:00.08 | babilen | dekiss: And there are many IRC clients without a gui -- My recommendation would be irssi or weechat -- See http://ossowicki.com/?p=102 for some nice scripts |
| 15:00.27 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: no, unless it constantly runs, e.g. a daemon. in which case you can end or disable it |
| 15:00.28 | dekiss | if I install application package and I don't haev GUI will it eat resources ram and cpu? |
| 15:00.30 | babilen | dekiss: A program that is not running doesn't consume CPU or RAM (how could it, it is not running) |
| 15:00.33 | dekiss | if its not run at the moment |
| 15:00.35 | moof2 | pagios, ok, you can set up lvm in the installer, do you want to do that? |
| 15:00.39 | dekiss | in the background |
| 15:00.44 | pagios | yes |
| 15:00.44 | Trek00 | dekiss: what you means with "gui"? there is a specific pacakge that you are talking about? |
| 15:00.55 | babilen | dekiss: What do you want to achieve? |
| 15:01.00 | dekiss | ok thanks |
| 15:01.09 | dekiss | and I also can install pakcages without gui you say? |
| 15:01.21 | babilen | dekiss: sure, what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 15:01.29 | dekiss | no |
| 15:01.32 | dekiss | o no |
| 15:01.39 | dekiss | when Isay gui I refer to os gui like gnome |
| 15:01.40 | pagios | Trek00: i am not getting you |
| 15:01.46 | moof2 | ok, you probably want three partitions: one for /boot, one for lvm storage (in lvm lingo, it's called a physical volume) |
| 15:01.49 | pagios | i setup 1 VG and 2 LVs in it |
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| 15:01.52 | moof2 | and maybe swap |
| 15:02.04 | moof2 | oh you did? |
| 15:02.11 | pagios | moof2: http://pbrd.co/18QV3j7 |
| 15:02.17 | pagios | what is wrong with that i dont get it |
| 15:02.24 | pagios | its 1 LVM under VG1 |
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| 15:02.34 | moof2 | dunno yet :) probably good so far. |
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| 15:02.58 | pagios | jelly: need your feedback on that please |
| 15:03.02 | dekiss | I want to install debian without gui like gnome , can I install packages from the os then? and if yes if I install some package and it is not running at the moment it will not consume ram and cpu resources right? |
| 15:03.04 | pagios | is that a correct lvm setup? http://pbrd.co/18QV3j7 |
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| 15:03.36 | moof2 | ok you've got three physical volumes |
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| 15:04.09 | Trek00 | dekiss: if the package is not running (not launched by you and it is not a service) it not consume cpu/ram |
| 15:04.14 | moof2 | can I offer you an example showing how I do things? |
| 15:04.29 | dekiss | ok and I can install packages ? |
| 15:04.35 | pagios | yea |
| 15:04.37 | Trek00 | dekiss: yes |
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| 15:04.43 | dekiss | without os gui installed like gnome |
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| 15:04.51 | dekiss | ok thanks you so uch for the information |
| 15:05.00 | moof2 | ok, sec. |
| 15:05.03 | dekiss | im gona install debian now on my second pc too |
| 15:05.05 | dekiss | :) |
| 15:05.13 | dekiss | wil chat with you then from it ^^ |
| 15:05.21 | dekiss | you said bitchx is best irc ^^? |
| 15:05.25 | Trek00 | dekiss: do you want a simple X Window or no graphics at all? |
| 15:05.31 | dekiss | or irrsi |
| 15:05.39 | dekiss | i dont know |
| 15:05.43 | dekiss | as it will be dev pc |
| 15:05.49 | dekiss | maybe i install gui after all |
| 15:06.04 | dekiss | I will install a lot of packages if they dont consume resources |
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| 15:06.16 | Trek00 | dekiss: you can try lightweight desktop environments like lxde or (little bigger) xfce |
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| 15:06.28 | dekiss | thewn I guess I can run debian without gnome even if I install it ? |
| 15:06.35 | Trek00 | dekiss: i personally using openbox + fbpanel + pcmanfm |
| 15:06.54 | dekiss | ok thanks |
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| 15:07.06 | moof2 | ok, I see you have two logical volumes called LV1 and LV2 |
| 15:07.29 | dekiss | honestly I hate idea of gui os |
| 15:07.34 | dekiss | too many windows |
| 15:07.40 | dekiss | it was bill gates idea originally |
| 15:07.41 | moof2 | I would name them according to what I'm using them for or alternatively where I'm going to mount them |
| 15:07.49 | dekiss | which everyone adopted -_- its bad idea bad |
| 15:08.00 | dekiss | too much complexety ENORMOUS complexity |
| 15:08.04 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: you need to check your history. and imho your head |
| 15:08.13 | pagios | moof2: where do you seea problem in this ? mainly i want to include my hardisk /dev/sda into 1 VG and include LV for / LV for /var and swap inside VG |
| 15:08.22 | dekiss | :) |
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| 15:08.50 | moof2 | so for example, I would have a primary partition (primary partitions are easy to boot from) and I'd make LVs called root, usr, var, home (at least). |
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| 15:08.57 | tacomaster | I have a website at work that the icetea version of the java for iceweasel, but my issue is when i try to upload photo's (the website admins said something about the error means "java path not found") This works perfectly under windows java. I was wanting to try sun's java just to see if it would work. My question being because i saw on the Debian wiki that sun-java6 has been taken out since the release before wheezy. I know i can just get the package |
| 15:09.00 | tacomaster | online and install it but i really want everything to be tracked by aptitude so i don't have to try how to uninstall it or have just crap laying around is this posible to install this through apt but with out installing a bunch of stuff from extra repo's? sorry for this being so long winded. |
| 15:09.18 | Trek00 | dekiss: if you keep simple, it may be fast (no 3D, no fancy themes) |
| 15:09.22 | tacomaster | or i meant "file path not found" not java not found :D |
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| 15:09.49 | dekiss | :) |
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| 15:09.58 | dekiss | its gona be dev pc so I dont care really |
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| 15:10.04 | dekiss | I jsut want to get rid of win for good |
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| 15:10.17 | Trek00 | pagios: may be I'm confused by the partitioner output, but you created one or three volume groups? |
| 15:10.22 | moof2 | I notice you have a 155g lv, and that's taking all (or most) of the space of that physical volume, and I'd delete that (and probably LV1 as well) and make smaller LVs named for where they're mounted |
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| 15:11.04 | Trek00 | dekiss: I find useful to run X Windows with many terminals opened on a single screen |
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| 15:12.00 | moof2 | I'm not saying anything about "right" or "wrong"; the way you have it set up could work... and, you might find it hard later to remember why you made LV1 and LV2, if all the info you have then (in say 6 months) is that they exist under those names |
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| 15:12.20 | dekiss | treaki__ ill check apps you gave me thanks |
| 15:12.25 | dekiss | thank you all so muchfor information |
| 15:12.30 | Trek00 | dekiss: X Window + openbox are roughly 30MB of ram memroy |
| 15:13.22 | dekiss | please guys if you are developers involved in os developing, make it so it is easier for people to work on computers, like steve jobs said - teach computers how people work, not other way arround ;) |
| 15:13.34 | moof2 | so, what if you go into logical volume manager, delete LV1 and LV2, and then make four new LVs called root, usr, var, home |
| 15:13.50 | dekiss | Trek00 resources arent only concern. I more concern about complecity |
| 15:13.56 | dekiss | and time wasted to do simple work |
| 15:14.03 | moof2 | and for now give root 1g, usr 10g, var 5g, home 10g |
| 15:14.08 | dekiss | and difficulty to debug errors |
| 15:14.13 | dekiss | that happen in background |
| 15:14.24 | dekiss | keep it simple guys if yo uare developers |
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| 15:14.33 | dekiss | im gona install debian now so talk to you in hour max i hope :) |
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| 15:15.03 | Trek00 | dekiss: good install ;) |
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| 15:15.19 | dekiss | thanks :DD |
| 15:15.32 | moof2 | so that's a total of 26 g, which will give you 155g - 26g unassigned space to expand into later |
| 15:15.45 | Trek00 | moof2: may be /home is not needed by pagios as the system is a web server |
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| 15:17.00 | moof2 | maybe, and remember that if he doesn't then /home will be in / and then I'd increase the space to like 10-15g for /home |
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| 15:17.24 | moof2 | I don't really recommend that because / should be protected from growth |
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| 15:18.45 | excalibr | when you install a deb, where is the pre removal script in the deb extracted to? |
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| 15:19.04 | moof2 | in control.tar.gz |
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| 15:19.52 | klys | it's /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.prerm |
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| 15:20.36 | moof2 | excalibr, klys is right if you -installed- this .deb |
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| 15:21.17 | moof2 | if you're pulling it apart with ar and tar, that's different |
| 15:21.20 | tacomaster | I have a website at work that the openjdk version of the java for iceweasel doesn't work, my issue is when i try to upload photo's (the website admins said something about the error means ("file path not found") This works perfectly under windows java. I was wanting to try sun's java just to see if it would work. My question being because i saw on the Debian wiki that sun-java6 has been taken out since the release wheezy. I know i can just get the pack |
| 15:21.23 | tacomaster | age online and install it but i really want everything to be tracked by aptitude so i don't have to try how to uninstall it or have just crap laying around is this posible to install this through apt but with out installing a bunch of stuff from extra repo's? sorry for this being so long winded. |
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| 15:22.13 | moof2 | maybe you can still use make-jpkg |
| 15:22.18 | klys | tacomaster: do you have non-free in your sources? |
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| 15:23.04 | Trek00 | tacomaster: do you have installed openjdk7? |
| 15:23.32 | tacomaster | klys: The only reason i didn't know about adding the source is any package that is of a higher version in that repo it will be installed instead of the normal stable tho right? |
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| 15:23.52 | klys | yes, it is up-to-date |
| 15:24.03 | tacomaster | Trek00: i have used all of the openjdk versions all seem to fail |
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| 15:24.46 | Trek00 | tacomaster: you can manually install some package with dpkg and no problems with apt sources |
| 15:24.51 | moof2 | funny, all of my javas fail to seem... |
| 15:24.57 | tacomaster | klys: so it wont mess with the stability of my system adding packages from non free repo |
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| 15:25.29 | klys | tacomaster: the non-free branch is for the distribution you are querying. |
| 15:25.49 | tacomaster | klys: yes i am using debian stable |
| 15:25.59 | manva | hi |
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| 15:26.10 | manva | I have tried this command: chmod ugo+s myprogram |
| 15:26.25 | manva | can you tell me why it doens't set the setuid field for the others? |
| 15:26.47 | tacomaster | Trek00: klys: alright well thank you for the info :D |
| 15:26.50 | moof2 | so, there's a non-free that goes with stable (the official line is "only main is "in debian", non-free is not considered part of it" |
| 15:26.59 | moof2 | ) |
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| 15:28.40 | Trek00 | manva: +s can be only for user or group |
| 15:28.48 | klys | manva: have you seen ls output with the sticky bit set? it isn't the same letter indicator as suid-owner. |
| 15:28.57 | manva | uhm |
| 15:28.59 | manva | thanks |
| 15:29.06 | manva | I m thinking.. |
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| 15:29.25 | manva | the problem is this: |
| 15:29.36 | Trek00 | manva: +s set the execution of the file with the owner user and/or the group |
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| 15:29.55 | manva | I set the setuid for this binary file generated by my qtcreator and if I execute it manually it works |
| 15:30.03 | tacomaster | Just making sure the repo it told me to add for sun-java6 has "squeeze" in the deb line do i need to switch that to wheezy or is that right? |
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| 15:30.13 | manva | if instead I execute it from qt-creator it doesn't because of permissions |
| 15:31.00 | Trek00 | tacomaster: if you have wheezy you should change it |
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| 15:31.21 | moof2 | tacomaster. the current rumor (based on something I heard here a few mins ago) is that sun-java6 was pulled out of wheezy... |
| 15:31.27 | tacomaster | Trek00: ok cool sorry for asking so many questions just don't want to screw up anything |
| 15:31.40 | moof2 | , v sun-java6-jvm |
| 15:31.41 | judd | No package named 'sun-java6-jvm' was found in i386. |
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| 15:31.49 | moof2 | , v sun-java6 |
| 15:31.50 | judd | No package named 'sun-java6' was found in i386. |
| 15:31.50 | tacomaster | moof2: it was thats why im trying to install it from a repo |
| 15:32.12 | tacomaster | moof2: because i need it for a website at work or i would never use it |
| 15:32.17 | moof2 | are you running wheezy now? |
| 15:32.22 | tacomaster | moof2: yes |
| 15:32.27 | moof2 | hmm... |
| 15:32.49 | Trek00 | manva: I don't know, may be qtcreator recreates the binary each time (so it is not setuid) or it prevents running setuid programs for security reasons |
| 15:33.04 | moof2 | I wonder if you can get the download from oracle and then use java-package to make a .deb out of it |
| 15:33.08 | klys | openjdk is the formerly-blackdown java you probably want. sun's package is a commercial java. |
| 15:33.16 | moof2 | , file make-jpkg |
| 15:33.22 | judd | Search for make-jpkg in wheezy/i386: java-package: usr/bin/make-jpkg |
| 15:33.25 | manva | Trek00: kk thx for the info |
| 15:33.59 | moof2 | so it's in wheezy,,, the only thing is, does it support the oracle download |
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| 15:35.07 | moof2 | tacomaster, did you want to know more about that? if so, what do you want to know? |
| 15:35.51 | tacomaster | moof2: i just really need this website to work with a linux version of java so i dont have to use a windows box for work.. |
| 15:36.13 | tacomaster | moof2: not trying to imply its your job to fix it or anything im just trying everything i can |
| 15:36.54 | moof2 | make-jpkg takes the oracle download (a .bin file?) and reads it, producing a .deb of it |
| 15:37.42 | moof2 | then you can install that .deb, and presto, you have java |
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| 15:38.06 | tacomaster | moof2: sweet and if i install it that way do i need some sort of plugin to make iceweasel to use it? |
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| 15:38.49 | klys | iirc, the .xpi file is distributed with Java. |
| 15:38.51 | moof2 | not sure. -maybe- make-jpkg extracts the thing that's the plugin and packages that too |
| 15:39.14 | moof2 | do you have a staging or dev server we can try it now on? |
| 15:39.35 | toad_ | any suggestions for a packaged XMPP/SIP client that supports both OTR (for chat) and SRTP (for voice)? |
| 15:39.36 | tacomaster | moof2: im on my debian box now its installed as my main os |
| 15:40.05 | moof2 | ok, then apt-get install java-package |
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| 15:40.30 | tacomaster | moof2: i thought debian was aptitude? |
| 15:40.40 | klys | you can use it |
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| 15:41.56 | moof2 | tacomaster, they changed their mind (well for full dist upgrades anyway) as aptitude finds too many conflicts and generally can't continue a full upgrade |
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| 15:42.19 | Trek00 | tacomaster: to enable java in iceweasel you can make a symlink of libnpjp2.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 15:42.20 | moof2 | in other words... |
| 15:42.26 | moof2 | aptitude is too good... |
| 15:42.27 | themill | tacomaster: btw did you try the openjdk-7 plugin rather than the openjdk-6 plugin? (package icedtea-7-plugin) |
| 15:43.05 | themill | Trek00: that's not necessary, actually |
| 15:43.05 | babilen | tacomaster: Don't use Sun's/Oracle's Java 6 -- It is no longer supported and a huge security problem. Use the still maintainer OpenJDK 6 or OpenJDK 7. |
| 15:43.20 | tacomaster | themill: not on debian because i just recently switched but i used mint before and 6 and 7 both had issues |
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| 15:43.54 | themill | "mint has issues" is a fair way of putting it... |
| 15:43.56 | tacomaster | i have tried 6 on debian and it didn't work so i had someone recommend sun's version to try |
| 15:44.09 | Trek00 | themill: if you have installed the plugin package is not needed as the symlink resides in /usr/sometingh, but if you install oracle java from the source you need to do the symlink I think (the last time I used java was in lenny) |
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| 15:44.56 | tacomaster | so do i need to uninstall openjdk6 before i try to install 7 and use it? |
| 15:45.00 | zeeflo | hello |
| 15:45.13 | themill | tacomaster: no, they can coexist. |
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| 15:45.22 | zeeflo | im trying to write an iso using growisofs.. But i keep getting this error: unable to inquiry input/output error |
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| 15:45.43 | tacomaster | themill: ok how do i make sure it is trying to run the 7 instead of the 6 then or will it do it automatically? |
| 15:45.48 | themill | dpkg: tell tacomaster about update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:46.42 | moof2 | tacomaster, probably the main issue for you is "which of the alternatives you're aware of will run your code" |
| 15:46.45 | tacomaster | themill: sweet ty sooo much im off to go try this and see how it turns out |
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| 15:47.11 | zeeflo | anyone have an idea why growfsiso wont burn dvd's anymore? |
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| 15:47.56 | moof2 | zeeflo, i/o error sounds like a problem with the driver or hardware |
| 15:47.57 | tacomaster | moof2: i dont know because its some stupid site the boss use's they have openly said they will not work with any issues with linux even tho that over 90% of there servers on linux quite dumb if you ask me. |
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| 15:48.27 | moof2 | hmm. |
| 15:48.30 | zeeflo | moof2: thats wierd, because I can mount dvds and bd's without trouble |
| 15:48.37 | moof2 | then you have a decision to make |
| 15:49.30 | moof2 | your boss may want to be able to sue java providers if things don't work, or something stupid like that |
| 15:49.44 | moof2 | you may wish to not be in target position :) |
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| 15:50.25 | moof2 | zeeflo, ok, at least for reading things seem OK? |
| 15:50.36 | zeeflo | yes moof2 |
| 15:50.39 | Trek00 | zeeflo: read and write process are separate on optical drives, may be you can't write? |
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| 15:51.11 | zeeflo | i have no clue.. |
| 15:51.13 | zeeflo | its just wierd |
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| 15:51.26 | moof2 | zeeflo, writing worked before? |
| 15:51.45 | Trek00 | zeeflo: may be problem on the dvd disk or drive |
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| 15:51.57 | moof2 | was there something you were doing just before you couldn't write? |
| 15:53.03 | zeeflo | moof2: yes.. last time I had to burn a bluray, I had no issues.. |
| 15:53.28 | moof2 | more targeted: if writing ever worked, there would have to be a time frame starting when you last successfully wrote somethign, and the time it failed to write |
| 15:53.41 | zeeflo | ill try a reboot.. maybe that will magically work |
| 15:53.53 | moof2 | what are the things you did in that time frame |
| 15:54.21 | zeeflo | moof2: i did a distro upgrade from 6 to 7 |
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| 15:54.36 | moof2 | bingo... |
| 15:54.49 | klys | zeeflo: are you aware of anything like bluray-RW ? |
| 15:54.54 | zeeflo | thats why I am wondering if the upgraded version of growisofs has some issues |
| 15:54.55 | moof2 | maybe there's something you need to do with 7 to be able to write |
| 15:55.37 | zeeflo | i cant image what I should need to do... its a simple growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrw file.iso command |
| 15:55.39 | moof2 | or maybe under sheezy you would have to use a different program to write |
| 15:55.46 | zeeflo | perhaps.. |
| 15:55.48 | Trek00 | zeeflo: may be you don't have permissions? (your user should read write /dev/sr0 or similar device) |
| 15:55.52 | zeeflo | im root |
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| 15:56.46 | zeeflo | im just annoyed something as simple as this dont want to work |
| 15:56.57 | zeeflo | it must be growisofs thats failing |
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| 15:57.20 | Trek00 | zeeflo: stupid question: is /dev/dvdrw still valid? may be the kernel reneamed the devices? |
| 15:57.29 | tacomaster | im sorry to bug you guys so much. when i try to do the "update-java-alternatives -s java-1.7.0" i get alot of do not exists but when i do "update-java-alternatives -l" it shows the java7 ? |
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| 15:57.47 | zeeflo | /dev/dvdrw is still sr0 |
| 15:57.52 | zeeflo | i dont see any change |
| 15:58.29 | Trek00 | tacomaster: if it list java7 you should -s java7 and not java-1.7.0 |
| 15:58.35 | themill | tacomaster: that's not going to be full name -- something like java-1.7.0-openjdk-i386 is more likely |
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| 16:01.31 | tacomaster | this is what i am getting i dont think it saying that its wrong its missing alot of stuff? http://pastebin.com/Ek5UmQG1 not sure if yall use pastebin here |
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| 16:02.17 | bananacreampie | Can anyone tell me what the default interrupt frequency of the stock kernel in debian is? 2.6.32-5-amd64 / Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 (squeeze) |
| 16:02.27 | jhutchins_wk | tacomaster: We tend to use paste.debian.org because of the problems with pastebin.com |
| 16:02.44 | tacomaster | jhutchins_wk: ok ill repaste it there sorry :D |
| 16:03.30 | jhutchins_wk | tacomaster: Use the interactive mode. |
| 16:03.51 | klys | 2.6 kernels were available before etch was testing. |
| 16:04.45 | zeeflo | god damnit mother crap |
| 16:04.48 | zeeflo | sorry |
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| 16:05.23 | tacomaster | ok here is the debain paste one http://paste.debian.net/8444/ |
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| 16:05.53 | cusco | hi |
| 16:06.03 | pagios | can someone excplain this !?!?! http://pastebin.com/wEP0z4bL |
| 16:06.06 | pagios | i have 2 root |
| 16:06.15 | pagios | using debian 7.0 fresh install |
| 16:06.15 | gaf | hi, how can i recover root password? i have this laptop and i don't have any user name or pass. |
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| 16:06.18 | cusco | normally high load average, and low cpu, means IO bottleneck, right? |
| 16:06.29 | bananacreampie | pagios looks like the output of df -h |
| 16:06.40 | pagios | bananacreampie: corrrect |
| 16:06.46 | pagios | but why do i have 2 " / " ? |
| 16:06.46 | bananacreampie | so what's the question? |
| 16:06.52 | zeeflo | this is my fstab /dev/dvdrw /media/cdrom0 |
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| 16:07.02 | zeeflo | but, I cant dev/dvdrw |
| 16:07.07 | zeeflo | whats going on? |
| 16:07.19 | bananacreampie | can you post the output of the mount command as well ? |
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| 16:07.37 | zeeflo | cant mount, is not a block unit |
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| 16:07.49 | pagios | bananacreampie: http://pastebin.com/JVJfaVEq |
| 16:07.57 | zeeflo | how can I see what my dvdrw drive is? |
| 16:08.01 | zeeflo | cat /proc/?? |
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| 16:08.50 | pagios | bananacreampie: how can i read these 2 ' / " |
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| 16:09.31 | bananacreampie | pagios, / is only mounted once. I bet it's just the way that df sees that kind of mount. Is it causing you any issues? |
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| 16:09.46 | pagios | no but i dont like it |
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| 16:10.45 | bananacreampie | pagios, here is someone who has a similar issue https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=99417 |
| 16:10.49 | pagios | my eyes hurt seeing 2 root fs |
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| 16:11.16 | bananacreampie | df -h | grep -v rootfs |
| 16:11.25 | Trek00 | pagios: it is a new kernel 'bug/feature' |
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| 16:11.52 | Trek00 | pagios: as I know df is patched in the upstream version even if it is not a df bug |
| 16:12.33 | pagios | first time i see a bug on debian lucky day |
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| 16:12.59 | tacomaster | Ok i have finally gotten the openjdk 7 on my system as a web plugin and the dependency. But i am still having that same issue do you think the sun java would even have a chance of solving this or am i just out of luck? |
| 16:13.14 | pagios | Trek00: which upstream version? isnt that the last one 7.0 ? |
| 16:13.38 | Trek00 | pagios: basically the kernel now reports rootfs (I think the root fs when initramfs was loaded) and the phisical device |
| 16:14.03 | Trek00 | pagios: I can't remember, I was read a message on a mailing list |
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| 16:15.16 | Trek00 | pagios: I have the formatting of df all fucked as the phisical device of rootfs is /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxx |
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| 16:16.46 | pagios | this reporting sucks |
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| 16:17.04 | pagios | i hope it stops here |
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| 16:17.31 | pagios | any other findings with debian 7? |
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| 16:17.39 | mms_ | I did dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and had bumpy ride. Its as guest in vbox. |
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| 16:18.28 | Trek00 | pagios: the /run is a good thing :) |
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| 16:19.06 | gaf | right now,i have yaboot version 1.3.13. is there any command to recover root pass from there? |
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| 16:19.19 | esaym153 | I am trying to build a package from source using make. It requires one library that is not installed. I have downloaded that library and ran make on that source but now how do I configure the other package that I need to compile to use this library in a when I compile it? I don't have root so I can't install the library anywhere |
| 16:19.20 | mms_ | first the gnome 3 and over all desktop size shrinked. I then did vbox scale and adjusted resolution in debian to make it look reasonable but still in squeeze things where much better. 2nd the desktop is not allowing any icons on it. last android adb seems not to recognize any devices. |
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| 16:20.20 | mms_ | I tried dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy on vbox guest. |
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| 16:20.33 | mms_ | above are my pain points |
| 16:20.41 | Trek00 | esaym153: usually the configure script has some parameter to configure the path like --with-gtk=/home/user/gtk-2.0 |
| 16:20.52 | mms_ | windows host adb can find all device ofcourse it has drivers sinstsalled |
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| 16:21.44 | mms_ | I tried udev tricks mentioned wheezy did not even have mtpfs so had to source compile it and it still did not find nexus 7 neither htc g1. |
| 16:22.40 | mms_ | on to of all there were 3 kernel images ....686 and 486. |
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| 16:22.53 | mms_ | I had to get rid of 686 and just keep 484 one. |
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| 16:23.55 | mms_ | if any one has solutions link to above problems do let me know |
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| 16:27.37 | mms_ | why did wheezy install 3 linux images ? |
| 16:28.20 | klys | mms_: I don't have/use adb, though your devices are with udev now, so some of them might not be in /dev the way you would have expected |
| 16:28.32 | mms_ | no it actually installed two images for 686 and then kept warning to install 486 image |
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| 16:29.53 | klys | mms_: another kernel warning, to maintain udev compat: make sure Inotify support (filesystems submenu) is `Y' in all future kernel .config |
| 16:30.07 | tacomaster | Hmmmm i finally got sun-java installed and tried it. This does not work as well is there anything else i can try? |
| 16:30.13 | mms_ | klys: I followed instructions from google site related to udev. I am hoping they are correct. in fact in squeeze it was mounting the device but then had other issues like connection terminated / ended. thus I thought to do dist-upgrade. |
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| 16:31.12 | mms_ | klys: I do dist-upgrade and itneer prompts of any thing like that |
| 16:31.24 | klys | mms_: check your /sys for the usb devices you hqave plugged in. I hope there are drivers |
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| 16:33.49 | mms_ | the mtpfs did not show up in place....at all...mtp-detect did not find either. |
| 16:34.11 | mms_ | so nexus 7 was just not showing up earlier in squeeze at least it was getting mounted. |
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| 16:34.22 | mms_ | htc g1 is not showing up either |
| 16:35.06 | mms_ | for htc g1 I thing it was auto detected. I did not have to install any thing in past. it installed software by itself I guess. |
| 16:35.23 | klys | are those userfs? check /proc/filesystems I haven't heard of them |
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| 16:36.00 | mms_ | htc g1 should show up as usb |
| 16:36.12 | mms_ | nexus 7 uses fuse |
| 16:36.25 | klys | yeah. /proc/... |
| 16:36.55 | mms_ | I will have to check them out tomorrow at work |
| 16:37.18 | mms_ | but thought should discuss here the issues so owners take care of it |
| 16:37.22 | mms_ | mtpfs is just missing |
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| 16:37.54 | mms_ | and on doing source compile does not be of any use |
| 16:38.20 | mms_ | the owner of it had been informed about it in jan but not progress on it seems |
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| 16:38.43 | Trek00 | mms_: may this can be useful for you= http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=83190 |
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| 16:39.35 | mms_ | Trek00: already done those tricks |
| 16:39.50 | mms_ | in fact src compiled mtpfs which was missing |
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| 16:40.05 | Trek00 | "i don't use mtp, it just works for me on sid and wheezy (android 4.1.1 and 4.1.2) sdcard shows up and sd-ext shows up as mass storage devices. internal storage doesn't mount of course, but to write to that i just use adb push." |
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| 16:40.26 | Trek00 | reading this comment I hoped it can helps you, but I don't understand sorry |
| 16:40.26 | mms_ | on squeeze its connection was terminating or some error do not remember but on wheezy no effect at all...it will not even mount. |
| 16:41.08 | mms_ | Trek00: on squeeze it used to work for me for htc g1 just fine...had not tried nexus 7. |
| 16:41.17 | mms_ | on wheezy both do not work |
| 16:41.45 | mms_ | fyi that I am using it as vbox guest. |
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| 16:42.01 | mms_ | also the gnome 3 desktop is locked for icons |
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| 16:42.15 | mms_ | will not let me create any icons shortcuts to apps on it |
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| 16:42.24 | mms_ | strange stuff |
| 16:42.37 | klys | is that just a link to /root ? |
| 16:42.40 | mms_ | I tried gnome-tweak some thing of that root |
| 16:42.48 | mms_ | and still no good |
| 16:43.24 | mms_ | i can create icons on panel title bar but not on desktop area |
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| 16:45.04 | mms_ | old gnome was easy enough to let create icons....gnome 3 seems to have locked things down to provide different UX |
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| 16:47.05 | Trewas | mms_: by the way mtpfs uses libmtp, which seems to add support for new devices quite often, so if libmtp is old then "new" mtpfs may not help |
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| 16:47.44 | mms_ | Trewas: there is no new mtpfs.....all new libmtp is added... |
| 16:47.49 | mms_ | thats really funny |
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| 16:50.11 | dekiss | hi |
| 16:50.20 | dekiss | I just installed DEbian can you help me? |
| 16:50.29 | klys | likely |
| 16:50.38 | dekiss | Driver for graphic card ati radeon hd 5550 wasnt installed |
| 16:50.49 | klys | !radeon |
| 16:50.49 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 16:51.00 | dekiss | also I installed iirc client but I don't know from where to run it |
| 16:51.32 | klys | usually runs X stuff from xterm or rxvt |
| 16:52.02 | dekiss | from where to run iirc client? |
| 16:52.06 | dekiss | thanks for links |
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| 16:52.59 | mumpitze1 | what do you mean "from where to run"? |
| 16:53.09 | dekiss | I am in gnome now |
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| 16:53.15 | klys | iirc: iIRC v1.0 for the iPhone ? |
| 16:53.21 | klys | or ircii |
| 16:53.21 | dekiss | in iceweasel |
| 16:53.28 | dekiss | ircii |
| 16:53.41 | dekiss | from where to run the application ircii? |
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| 16:53.47 | klys | it's the same as for irssi or epic. from screen |
| 16:53.56 | dekiss | I just installed it with synaptic package manager |
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| 16:54.15 | dekiss | I isntalled one irc client i think its ircii |
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| 16:54.46 | n8w | hey guys, whats a good com port monitor which allows time-stamping etc |
| 16:54.57 | moof2 | ircii needs to be run from a terminal (you may or may not like terminal-based stuff, I dunno) |
| 16:55.06 | dekiss | I like alot ^^ |
| 16:55.08 | dekiss | I hate gui |
| 16:55.16 | dekiss | but it can't be run from gnome ? |
| 16:55.24 | moof2 | so, do you have a terminal running? |
| 16:55.40 | dekiss | nop |
| 16:55.50 | moof2 | start a gnome terminal |
| 16:55.56 | dekiss | how :DD |
| 16:56.03 | moof2 | no idea :) |
| 16:56.06 | mms_ | how do I create those desktop icons which are still in desktop folder to appear on screen in wheezy ? |
| 16:56.14 | dekiss | administrator terminal or normal terminal? |
| 16:56.15 | moof2 | you may have to find it from the menu |
| 16:56.21 | moof2 | normal |
| 16:56.22 | klys | use rxvt, xterm, g(gnome?)term, or aterm (specify tint and translucent properties upon invocation, get a nice palm tree background and you're set) |
| 16:56.37 | dekiss | now what :S |
| 16:56.44 | dekiss | I runned terminal |
| 16:56.51 | moof2 | do you see shell prompt |
| 16:56.52 | mms_ | also how to have desktop occurpy who vbox window without scaling ? |
| 16:56.57 | klys | then you have a prompt. $ |
| 16:56.59 | dekiss | ye |
| 16:57.10 | moof2 | something like you@yours:~$ |
| 16:57.15 | dekiss | yeye |
| 16:57.21 | moof2 | so, |
| 16:57.22 | moof2 | type |
| 16:57.24 | moof2 | ircii |
| 16:57.30 | moof2 | hit |
| 16:57.32 | moof2 | enter |
| 16:57.35 | dekiss | nop command not found |
| 16:57.36 | tacomaster | Yaaa i got it working even tho is not quite how i wanted to do it. I had to use wine |
| 16:57.37 | klys | do ircii -n dekiss |
| 16:58.09 | moof2 | try /usr/bin/ircii |
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| 16:58.30 | klys | dpkg -l ircii; which ircii; dpkg -L ircii | grep bin |
| 16:58.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching ircii; which ircii; dpkg -L ircii | grep bin |
| 16:58.31 | dekiss | ye I have ircii installed |
| 16:58.32 | mms_ | ok logging off....had my input of issues to work at |
| 16:58.34 | mms_ | have fun |
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| 16:58.42 | dekiss | command not found |
| 16:58.45 | moof2 | if that doesn't work... I got the name wrong |
| 16:58.50 | mtn | dekiss: is it irssi, like they asked you in ##linux? |
| 16:59.05 | moof2 | try /usr/bin/irc then hit tab a few times |
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| 16:59.16 | dekiss | no it is ircii |
| 16:59.53 | dekiss | no such file or directory |
| 17:00.02 | moof2 | ok, then try dpkg -L ircii |
| 17:00.05 | mtn | dekiss: irssi and weechat are more popular |
| 17:00.06 | klys | try the -l and - |
| 17:00.07 | klys | L |
| 17:00.11 | dekiss | aww |
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| 17:00.22 | dekiss | ok tell me please which irc client is best for debian to install ^^ |
| 17:00.35 | dekiss | if there is one such or few if there are more equally popular pls ^^ |
| 17:00.36 | mtn | dekiss: there is no best, only what you like |
| 17:00.39 | moof2 | the one you like after trying them all |
| 17:00.52 | dekiss | which one is very popular? |
| 17:00.58 | klys | (irssi-text) |
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| 17:01.00 | moof2 | xchat |
| 17:01.15 | dekiss | ok i will install xchat |
| 17:01.20 | moof2 | but I guess you said you don't like gui... |
| 17:01.27 | mtn | dekiss: after you install a program, you might like to type "man programname" to see how it works |
| 17:01.31 | moof2 | and, I wonder what happened to the install |
| 17:01.35 | ksk | dekiss: you should try irssi :> |
| 17:01.45 | dekiss | which version of xchat I see 10 ver in synaptic package installer :S |
| 17:02.05 | moof2 | wait just a second |
| 17:02.10 | dekiss | xchat has gui? |
| 17:02.24 | moof2 | when I said dpkg -L ircii, you said command not found |
| 17:02.38 | dekiss | irsii is more command like irc chat? |
| 17:02.42 | moof2 | something else is rotten in denmark! |
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| 17:02.50 | dekiss | I dont like much complicated complex unnecesery graphic |
| 17:03.06 | moof2 | they're full-screen ncurses apps |
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| 17:03.15 | val_erie | !paste |
| 17:03.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:03.15 | moof2 | not xchat tho |
| 17:03.38 | roasted | hello friends |
| 17:03.39 | dekiss | hm |
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| 17:04.06 | DimmuR | Hello everyone. I've just upgraded debian to sid - and there is no ia32-lib-gtk available - is there any debian-way to install them? (i need 32bit wine and firefox from their repository) |
| 17:04.27 | moof2 | roasted hi. |
| 17:04.30 | mtn | dekiss: to learn about irc clients, go to google and search linux irc clients |
| 17:04.49 | dekiss | irssi and xchat on their way :) |
| 17:04.53 | dekiss | hank you all for information |
| 17:05.10 | moof2 | hank yo to |
| 17:05.16 | dekiss | what are irssi development files |
| 17:05.21 | dekiss | source code of the irssi? |
| 17:05.27 | moof2 | for compiling irssi modules |
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| 17:05.48 | moof2 | do you want to play with the source code? |
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| 17:05.54 | dekiss | does irssi or xchat have capability of auto joining channels on startup? |
| 17:06.05 | dekiss | moof2: :) |
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| 17:06.22 | moof2 | xchat does, irssi can run scripts (so same difference pretty much) |
| 17:06.25 | klys | it's in the man page. proof's in the pudding, the medium is the message, all that stuff |
| 17:06.28 | dekiss | moof2: no i wont play source code no time now :) |
| 17:06.43 | moof2 | ok |
| 17:06.56 | folivora | Which package provides make-jpkg ? |
| 17:07.02 | dekiss | so how to run irssi and xchat :DDDDDDDDD |
| 17:07.16 | dekiss | o man |
| 17:07.18 | moof2 | java-package |
| 17:07.24 | boudiccas | dekiss, FFS! have a play and learn |
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| 17:07.31 | dekiss | :( |
| 17:07.41 | dekiss | need linux tutorial link me some pls |
| 17:07.46 | ksk | hey. since sunbird got kicked off jessie I do need another calendersoftware wich supports using ical-files via http/network - any suggestion? |
| 17:07.52 | moof2 | dekiss, you should be able to run them from the terminal |
| 17:08.00 | dekiss | probably video tutorial i will pay |
| 17:08.02 | Trek00 | dekiss: when you launch the terminal you can write command here |
| 17:08.10 | folivora | moof2: Should it be available from repos or ? |
| 17:08.34 | Trek00 | dekiss: if you write man xchat and press enter you get the xchat manual page |
| 17:08.37 | moof2 | it should... maybe you need contrib or non-free in your sources.list |
| 17:09.00 | moof2 | and as always when you alter your sources.list, you would apt-get update to apply your changes |
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| 17:09.55 | moof2 | , info java-package |
| 17:09.56 | judd | Package java-package (contrib/misc, optional) in wheezy/i386: Utility for creating Java Debian packages. Version: 0.50+nmu2; Size: 19.0k; Installed: 81k |
| 17:10.07 | moof2 | yeah, it's in contrib |
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| 17:11.08 | dekiss | hi |
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| 17:11.13 | dekiss | I am on xchat now :) |
| 17:11.22 | moof2 | cool. how do you like it? |
| 17:11.28 | dekiss | nice |
| 17:11.32 | moof2 | do you want to try others? |
| 17:11.34 | dekiss | I like debian alott |
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| 17:11.35 | dekiss | linux |
| 17:11.37 | Trek00 | dekiss: this tutorial seems simple and may be useful www.karunya.edu/linuxclub/resources/LinuxTutorial.pdf |
| 17:11.46 | dekiss | thank you all for help |
| 17:11.51 | moof2 | before you said... |
| 17:11.52 | dekiss | guys I though a lot |
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| 17:11.58 | moof2 | you like command-line |
| 17:12.00 | dekiss | we must bring windows down |
| 17:12.07 | dekiss | we must promote linux and I have idea! |
| 17:12.13 | ompaul | dekiss: na, it will fall in it's own good time |
| 17:12.26 | ompaul | in the mean time we support the use of free software, that is free as in freedom |
| 17:12.37 | dekiss | we make few mindblowing applications and don't give Windows support only linux |
| 17:12.49 | ompaul | dekiss: be my guest |
| 17:13.02 | moof2 | been done :) |
| 17:13.11 | klys | yeah, all the tough work is forked out to the user the way it is |
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| 17:14.23 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi anyone know how to setup a connection to a phone? |
| 17:14.49 | klys | you mean with adb, or just usb ? |
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| 17:16.19 | moof2 | fluffybunnyuk_, I hook my charging cable to computer (it's actually usb <-> android phone cable) |
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| 17:16.32 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi moof :D |
| 17:16.43 | fluffybunnyuk_ | yeah so do i wityh my winmo on usb |
| 17:17.03 | fluffybunnyuk_ | doesnt help me any with reading my phones flash card tho |
| 17:17.21 | baudtack | running debian sid, and when using bash or python as root my x key doesn't work. but when running those as a normal user e is broken. It appears that because it's both bash and python that it's readline related. any ideas? |
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| 17:18.08 | baudtack | zsh appears to run fine |
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| 17:19.05 | klys | echo x | python |
| 17:19.45 | baudtack | i can't even paste that into bash |
| 17:19.48 | klys | I haven't ever seen anything readline-related in /etc |
| 17:20.24 | baudtack | when i do that from zsh it complains about x being undefined |
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| 17:20.44 | klys | you think it's xmodmap or similar? |
| 17:21.08 | baudtack | honestly, i have no idea. it's just such a weird problem |
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| 17:21.44 | ompaul | baudtack: what did you do just prior to this strange thing happening? |
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| 17:22.11 | baudtack | it's been going on for a while so, i can't recall if it started after an upgrade :-\ |
| 17:22.19 | klys | there's also a X tool that allows you to select pc101 or pc105 kbd |
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| 17:22.33 | baudtack | i'm over ssh atm |
| 17:22.44 | ompaul | baudtack: and it fails in ssh? |
| 17:22.50 | baudtack | and locally |
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| 17:22.52 | baudtack | yes |
| 17:23.05 | baudtack | i thought it was putty being a derp till it happened locally |
| 17:23.24 | ompaul | baudtack: run zsh ... do the set this up as a script ... echo x | python then back to bash run it |
| 17:24.41 | ompaul | baudtack: I'd guess you broke your locale in bash |
| 17:24.43 | baudtack | ompaul: that "works" in that python complains about undefined x |
| 17:24.48 | baudtack | hrm |
| 17:24.56 | baudtack | would a dpkg-reconfigure fix it? |
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| 17:25.40 | baudtack | not sure if it matters, but locale is set the same in bash as in zsh |
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| 17:25.58 | ompaul | as root mv .bashrc and .profile out of the way log out - this is not a dpkg-reconfigure and that disproves my idea |
| 17:26.23 | baudtack | mv root's out of the way? |
| 17:26.29 | ompaul | no your useer |
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| 17:26.40 | ompaul | I guess root has a good e and x |
| 17:26.46 | baudtack | no |
| 17:26.48 | baudtack | x is broken for root |
| 17:26.52 | baudtack | e is broken for my user |
| 17:26.58 | baudtack | but only in bash and python |
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| 17:27.11 | baudtack | which is what really wigs me out |
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| 17:27.36 | ompaul | kill the machine it's haunted? |
| 17:27.41 | ompaul | hehe |
| 17:27.51 | baudtack | heh |
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| 17:29.05 | klys | showkeys |
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| 17:29.22 | baudtack | what package is that in? |
| 17:29.45 | baudtack | w doesn't work as my user either apparently heh |
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| 17:30.58 | jhutchins_wk | baudtack: Does it work in stable? |
| 17:31.48 | klys | console-tools has showkey. somehow I'm not convinced. |
| 17:31.51 | baudtack | jhutchins_wk: erm. no idea i haven't run stable in like... forever |
| 17:31.56 | baudtack | klys: Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console |
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| 17:32.20 | maicsmarties | http://www.CutieWendy.com/?id=416 |
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| 17:32.48 | maicsmarties | http://www.CutieWendy.com/?id=416 |
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| 17:32.50 | baudtack | maicsmarties: ... seriously? |
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| 17:33.23 | klys | he must want wendy. images.google.com/search?q=wendy |
| 17:33.51 | baudtack | i get that response from showkey in bash and zsh for whatever that's worth |
| 17:34.23 | klys | it's local console-only. so you have to have tty0 access |
| 17:34.44 | baudtack | running as root i can run it |
| 17:35.19 | baudtack | http://paste.conkeror.org/?260 |
| 17:35.21 | baudtack | klys: ^^ |
| 17:35.31 | klys | checking... |
| 17:35.32 | baudtack | i can type x there |
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| 17:36.18 | klys | it didn't detect the keycodes though |
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| 17:37.15 | baudtack | have to wait till i get home to test that then |
| 17:38.26 | klys | do you have utf-8 enabled ? |
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| 17:38.37 | baudtack | yes |
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| 17:43.50 | baudtack | if it wasn't for the fact that it happens in python i'd just switch root's shell to zsh and forget about it |
| 17:44.39 | dhun | I want to make a package for debian, filed an ITP bug report, but it seems it was not received, what can I do? |
| 17:44.40 | klys | have you seen something like bash-completion.d ? |
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| 17:45.42 | baudtack | klys: have i seen it? i have a /etc/bash_completion.d |
| 17:46.02 | klys | everything looks ordinary there? |
| 17:46.20 | baudtack | i wouldn't know |
| 17:47.35 | klys | could try: dpkg -S /etc/bash_completion.d; dpkg --force-depends --purge <package>; exho x | python; apt-get install <package> |
| 17:47.58 | baudtack | i assume you mean echo x> |
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| 17:48.04 | klys | right |
| 17:48.15 | baudtack | k lets ee |
| 17:48.35 | baudtack | wow i got a long list of packages back |
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| 17:48.59 | baudtack | http://paste.conkeror.org/?261 |
| 17:49.13 | klys | babilen: if you're still doing mentors see dhun |
| 17:49.18 | baudtack | i guess i could try it with each of them heh |
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| 17:50.14 | hoot_ | Hi. KDE 4 shares all my media files over WIFI. Any help where can I disable it? |
| 17:50.16 | klys | bash-completion or one of it's dependancies might be salient |
| 17:50.35 | baudtack | k |
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| 17:51.36 | klys | hoot_ is it samba shares, nfsd, or something else |
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| 17:53.31 | hoot_ | klys: I am not sure. I see this share on my smart tv, it does not show protocols. But network shares in KDE are empty. |
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| 17:53.56 | klys | it's probably samba. dpkg -l samba |
| 17:54.14 | jhutchins_wk | hoot_: That sounds like you've installed/configured some sort of UDP server. |
| 17:54.28 | JordiGH | So if I want to get Ubuntu's compiz into wheezy, I'm gonna have to backport it to unstable first, wait for it to go testing, and then attempt the backport? |
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| 17:55.34 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: you mean wheezy-backports, but yes. |
| 17:55.35 | hoot_ | klys: hoot@localhost:~$ LANG=C dpkg -L samba |
| 17:55.35 | hoot_ | dpkg-query: package 'samba' is not installed |
| 17:56.04 | enyc | JordiGH: do you mean wheezy or rather just e.g. sid version of compiz? |
| 17:56.07 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's probably also worth trying to figure out why the version in experimental is so outdated, and getting a newer version there in addition to sid. |
| 17:56.39 | hoot_ | jhutchins_wk: What type of UDP server it can be? |
| 17:56.45 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: because I'm guessing that no one is currently maintaining compiz |
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| 17:57.20 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: compiz is mostly dead, but there's this dude who is still maintaining it for Ubuntu. |
| 17:57.30 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Sean Finney was doing it for Debian, but hasn't in a while. |
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| 17:57.48 | JordiGH | I managed to backport the Ubuntu version, after a lot of work, into wheezy. |
| 17:58.05 | hoot_ | jhutchins_wk, klys: One more clue is shared media files sorted by years directories. |
| 17:58.15 | enyc | JordiGH: I would think you can .. yes... using sources.list -src lines and apt-get source and apt-get build-dep etc... |
| 17:58.25 | JordiGH | enyc: I can what? |
| 17:58.40 | enyc | JordiGH: use the debian tools to build that version on wheezy =) |
| 17:58.45 | JordiGH | enyc: Which version? |
| 17:58.52 | enyc | JordiGH: whichever =) |
| 17:58.53 | klys | hoot_ it might have something to do with your kde. [kde4 filesharing] |
| 17:58.54 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: You can has backport. |
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| 17:59.03 | JordiGH | enyc: No, not whichever. Those tools will not work for the Ubuntu version. |
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| 17:59.13 | gawen | did anyone get the sound working with zsnes on amd64 ? |
| 17:59.19 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: Do you have the right version of C/C++ installed? |
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| 17:59.43 | JordiGH | ChibaPet: Yeah, the monitor is also on and the internet connection is on. |
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| 17:59.50 | enyc | JordiGH: hrrm whyfor? what have they in their build dependenceies etc. |
| 17:59.50 | JordiGH | ChibaPet: I have also power-cycled my machine. |
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| 17:59.52 | ChibaPet | kk |
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| 17:59.57 | hoot_ | klys: Guy on #kde says that kde does have the feature I described %). |
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| 18:00.09 | klys | then he's right |
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| 18:00.22 | JordiGH | enyc: Because I don't think the Ubuntu version is even packaged for Ubuntu. I had to grab it from bzr. |
| 18:00.36 | JordiGH | enyc: I had to use bzr-buildpackage. |
| 18:00.40 | enyc | JordiGH: its listed in packages.ubuntu.com ... |
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| 18:00.59 | JordiGH | enyc: It's also tied to a bunch of Unity crap that we don't want. |
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| 18:01.02 | hoot_ | klys: But I see shared files only when I log in to KDE. I don't see any share in GNOME or sawfish sessions. |
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| 18:01.24 | klys | hoot_: check /proc/filesystems for network fs's |
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| 18:01.55 | JordiGH | enyc: Ubuntu has only packaged up to 0.9.9; I backported 0.9.10, which isn't packaged for Ubuntu. |
| 18:02.05 | JordiGH | Well, not yet. |
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| 18:03.13 | JordiGH | So anyways... I care a lot about compiz... Does anyone care about it? |
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| 18:03.38 | Vicissitude | don't even know what it is so guessing not |
| 18:03.40 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: Does it offer anything beyond wobbling windows? I ask that seriously. I'm unaware of anything really unique it does. |
| 18:03.59 | JordiGH | Yeah, the stupid wobbling windows is what everyone seems to think is the only thing it does. |
| 18:04.11 | hoot_ | klys: http://www.bpaste.net/show/104396/ |
| 18:04.32 | ChibaPet | JordiGH: When I've felt the need to have compositing, I run xcompmgr alongside anything else I want, and life is generally good. |
| 18:04.36 | JordiGH | Compiz is kind of the Emacs of WMs. It zooms, it groups, it places, it resizes, it shades, it tiles, it slices, it dices. |
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| 18:04.52 | baudtack | hrm. killing it bash-completion didn't seem to help |
| 18:05.09 | klys_ | rpc_pipefs, nfs4, nfsd |
| 18:05.23 | baudtack | the echo x | python won't show anything one way or the other as it works if it's in a script. otherwise i can't type x |
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| 18:05.49 | hoot_ | klys: What I should do to disable this behaviour? |
| 18:05.50 | klys_ | hoot_: stat /etc/exports |
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| 18:06.25 | hoot_ | klys: hoot@localhost:~$ LANG=C sudo stat /etc/exports |
| 18:06.26 | hoot_ | stat: cannot stat `/etc/exports': No such file or directory |
| 18:06.41 | baudtack | JordiGH: i always thought that emacs was the emacs of WMs |
| 18:06.50 | klys_ | you're not running nfsd never mind that |
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| 18:07.20 | klys_ | something has got to be using fuse for a samba export without the samba package. I don't know what is. |
| 18:07.33 | SmashingX | I see this in my linux book: when we want to create a directory within our home directory for storing our own private programs, the shell is ready to accommodate us. All we have to do is call it bin, and we’re ready to go. |
| 18:07.39 | SmashingX | but I'm not sure if I understood right, since I created a bid directory on my home directory and if I type echo $PATH I don't see that directory added |
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| 18:17.37 | enyc | esaym153: hrrm whats wrong with the debian wheezy kernel 3.2 etc. ? |
| 18:17.48 | ompaul_ | ^7heo: you have a server it serves on IP 12 for instance, lets say that's its static |
| 18:17.49 | ^7heo | B. I boot another machine, it gets another IP, it boots the vmlinuz and initrd, then it tries to do a DHCPREQUEST for the IP of machine A. |
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| 18:19.19 | ^7heo | but it's working flawlessly, excepted with this damn IP issue. |
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| 18:19.39 | esaym153 | enyc: seems to just be a kernel issue that isn't fixed. I upgraded to 3.8 yesterday and so far so good... |
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| 18:20.00 | ompaul_ | ^7heo: I'll posit the config you offer to the clients is very flawed - maybe at mac address level or maybe not |
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| 18:20.21 | Trek00 | SmashingX: the ~/bin will added to your PATH on the next login after the directory creation |
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| 18:20.30 | ^7heo | ompaul_: how do you explain that the DHCP server is first offering valid (different) IPs to different machines first, then? |
| 18:20.36 | ompaul_ | ^7heo: your tftp is not doing it the way I've seen it in the past (no longer use it haven't since 08) |
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| 18:20.50 | SmashingX | Trek00: Automatically? |
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| 18:21.03 | ^7heo | ompaul_: how can you know that my tftp server is not doing it the way you've seen it in the past? |
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| 18:21.13 | ^7heo | how can you even see what my tftp server does? |
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| 18:21.34 | ompaul_ | ^7heo: I've seen tftp I used to run one |
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| 18:21.41 | ompaul_ | that was the implication |
| 18:21.46 | ^7heo | the tftp server works perfectly |
| 18:21.47 | ompaul_ | we seem to be going around in circles |
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| 18:21.51 | ^7heo | the nfs also |
| 18:22.01 | ^7heo | but the machines try to all have the same IP for some reason |
| 18:22.07 | ^7heo | I guess it's related to a shared /var/run |
| 18:22.09 | ^7heo | or something like this |
| 18:22.23 | ^7heo | but since I only *guess* it, I came here to ask |
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| 18:24.33 | ^7heo | look, I cannot paste the output of the /var/log/messages from the DHCP server machine, but I can assure you that machine B is assigned IP x.y.z.3 and then tries to make a DHCPREQUEST for x.y.z.2 which is the IP of machine A. |
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| 18:24.50 | Trek00 | SmashingX: yes, it is the shell when it is invoked by login |
| 18:24.53 | ^7heo | so, it MUST communicate the IP over NFS |
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| 18:25.11 | SmashingX | Trek00: Ok, let me try it, thankx. |
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| 18:25.17 | ^7heo | and I have to remove that "link" between the machines, by specifying a tmpfs mount somewhere |
| 18:25.21 | Trek00 | SmashingX: the shell will autoload your ~/.profile that test for the existence of ~/bin and adds it to PATH |
| 18:25.24 | ^7heo | 'cause now it's not working. |
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| 18:27.44 | SmashingX | Trek00: Ok, I went to my path directory and created a dir called bin, I logged myself out, and now I'm logging in, let's see what happens |
| 18:27.46 | Trek00 | ^7heo: may be /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases? |
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| 18:28.13 | ompaul_ | ^7heo: firstly when I did it I used to load an image from a server, to statically assigned ip addresses. The dhcp server gave the path to the image to be loaded and the ip address. I'm not getting involved further, you seem to have a very specific set of beliefs about how it's not working. I can't really ask you questions so I can get my own picture of what's happening. This breaks the IRC helping pretty badly. The first place to look is your dhcp log |
| 18:28.14 | ompaul_ | files and work back from that. |
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| 18:28.27 | Trek00 | SmashingX: echo $PATH should shows if bin is here |
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| 18:28.33 | SmashingX | ok |
| 18:28.35 | SmashingX | let me see |
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| 18:29.02 | SmashingX | nice |
| 18:29.05 | SmashingX | It did |
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| 18:29.24 | moof2 | SmashingX (unless it's in one of your shell startup scripts) having a dir called bin won't guarantee it's in your path |
| 18:29.25 | Trek00 | SmashingX: see the last three lines of your ~/.profile |
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| 18:29.50 | SmashingX | Trek00: Thanks, it did add it! but I wonder if it will add it even though I add it inside another directory for example ~/games/pay/bin |
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| 18:30.46 | SmashingX | Trek00: according to those 3 lines I think it won't add it |
| 18:30.48 | SmashingX | q |
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| 18:30.59 | Trek00 | SmashingX: the last three lines test only ~/bin but you can add a last line like: PATH="$HOME/games/pay/bin:$PATH" |
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| 18:31.11 | ^7heo | Trek00: it seems to be that yes |
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| 18:31.37 | SmashingX | Trek00: Thanks, that was hepful ! |
| 18:31.37 | Trek00 | ^7heo: this directory should not be shared |
| 18:31.39 | fgh2 | how does exim define the name it uses to send out mail ? |
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| 18:31.42 | ^7heo | ompaul_: the dhcp log is where I started |
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| 18:31.53 | ^7heo | Trek00: I can see that :P |
| 18:32.00 | moof2 | it's not supposed to add every bin dir, there is a danger to that along the lines of what if someone makes a bin dir you're not immediately aware of and then wants to compromise your system (or at least your user acct) |
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| 18:32.06 | ^7heo | Trek00: what are the directories that should not be shared? |
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| 18:32.15 | ^7heo | Trek00: is there a list somewhere? |
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| 18:32.27 | Trek00 | ^7heo: usually all the /var |
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| 18:32.39 | ^7heo | Trek00: alright, so I should put the var into a tmpfs ? |
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| 18:32.51 | Trek00 | ^7heo: not |
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| 19:09.43 | mat619 | Trek00: no such file |
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| 19:10.07 | Trek00 | mat619: what's output ls /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 19:10.46 | Trek00 | mat619: I have many files like ftp.at.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 19:11.10 | SmashingX | I wonder if there's any way to rescue data from a hard drive that sounds kind of bad |
| 19:11.11 | mat619 | Trek00: so do i |
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| 19:11.36 | Trek00 | SmashingX: many many ways, more damages more time spent |
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| 19:12.02 | SmashingX | Trek00: which way do you recommend? |
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| 19:12.04 | mat619 | Trek00: ah well screw that old brick for today. I'm not getting my head around it today - thx for helping, but I'm outta here. this squeeze installation annoys me too much |
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| 19:12.23 | mat619 | Trek00: thanks again and have a nice evening! |
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| 19:12.35 | Trek00 | SmashingX: fsck is the first friend, but |
| 19:12.36 | enyc | mat619: geh wheezy? |
| 19:12.45 | Trek00 | Trek00: how badly damaged is? |
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| 19:14.11 | SmashingX | Trek00: I don't have any idea, but sometimes I have to reset the machine because when I try to access it it dissapears |
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| 19:15.46 | Trek00 | SmashingX: you want rescue some deleted files or an unmountable filesystem? |
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| 19:16.34 | SmashingX | Trek00: I want to restore the whole disk! |
| 19:16.40 | SmashingX | or as much as I can |
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| 19:17.32 | Trek00 | SmashingX: first try fsck, if it fails in all ways (there are backups of superblock to try) |
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| 19:18.10 | SmashingX | I don't know how to use fsck |
| 19:18.17 | Trek00 | SmashingX: then you can try to rescue single files, with tools like http://sleuthkit.org/autopsy/ |
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| 19:18.28 | SmashingX | how do you recommend me to run it? |
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| 19:18.53 | Trek00 | SmashingX: it depends by the error messages; normally fsck -f /dev/sda1 (if it is unmounted) |
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| 19:19.22 | nkuttler | SmashingX: how important is your data? |
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| 19:19.41 | Trek00 | SmashingX: e2fsck -b 32768 /dev/sda1 if the superblock is invalid |
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| 19:20.02 | nkuttler | SmashingX: if your hd makes funny noises that might destroy data |
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| 19:20.31 | Trek00 | SmashingX: the nkuttler ask is important: rescue data is a long process, backup is simpler |
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| 19:28.51 | SmashingX | Im trying to back up |
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| 19:29.10 | nkuttler | SmashingX: no, you're trying to rescue data ;) |
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| 19:34.18 | smw | Where is the best place to put a script that sets up firewall and routing rules? I want them to run before networking is started |
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| 19:34.35 | sarkis | if /etc/issue tells me Debian 6.0 however i have done all the updates i am probably really running 6.0.5? |
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| 19:34.42 | sarkis | i assume it just doesn't get updated? |
| 19:34.51 | sarkis | /etc/issue that is** |
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| 19:35.07 | Trek00 | smw: an init.d script with an LSB header that Required-Start: checkroot |
| 19:35.36 | nkuttler | smw: i use iptables-persistent, but not sure you can set up rules before the interface is up.. |
| 19:35.45 | Trek00 | smw: insserv will put a symlink to rcS.d in the right order |
| 19:36.01 | Trek00 | nkuttler: absolutely yes |
| 19:36.24 | nkuttler | Trek00: interesting.. never thought about it |
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| 19:37.05 | Trek00 | nkuttler: after writing the init script you must invoke update-rc.d scriptname start 20 S . |
| 19:37.20 | Trek00 | wrong person |
| 19:37.24 | Trek00 | smw: after writing the init script you must invoke update-rc.d scriptname start 20 S . |
| 19:37.28 | smw | thanks |
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| 19:37.54 | Trek00 | nkuttler: only ip route stuff must done once the interface is up, but iptables are persistent |
| 19:38.12 | Trek00 | smw: remember the last point! |
| 19:38.20 | nkuttler | Trek00: nice, thanks |
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| 19:39.23 | smw | Trek00, yes! that is good info |
| 19:39.44 | smw | Trek00, so my iptables will go there and my routes will go elsewhere |
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| 19:40.46 | Trek00 | smw: routes are normally configured in /etc/network/interfaces, but additional ip directive (like shaping) can added in a file under /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
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| 19:43.12 | nmschulte | I'm using the latest debian installer, and the Hybrid ISO, on my USB media; the installer doesn't seem to recognize the usb storage device; it's not even listed in /dev |
| 19:43.22 | nmschulte | so I can't continue with the install after it boots. |
| 19:43.50 | nmschulte | any ideas how to populate /dev with the block devices? |
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| 19:45.12 | Trek00 | nmschulte: a stupid try that may fix it: disconnect and reconnect your usb media when the installer asks for the iso |
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| 19:45.51 | zykotick9 | nmschulte: did you use unetbootin to create the usb? |
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| 19:46.54 | nmschulte | I copied the Hybrid ISO image to the block device (/dev/sdX) as per the installation manual. |
| 19:46.54 | nmschulte | syslinux loads fine, and I can choose an install option. The minimal installer (using netinst) loads up too; I can choose my language, etc. |
| 19:47.15 | nmschulte | I may try making the /dev nodes myself, if they're in /sys |
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| 19:47.53 | zykotick9 | nmschulte: ok, i was just checkin'. unetbootin is known to cause problems, but you used the right method. good luck. |
| 19:48.10 | nmschulte | I'm trying the old method atm |
| 19:48.10 | nmschulte | we |
| 19:48.13 | nmschulte | we'll see |
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| 19:50.48 | sarkis | so does /etc/issue change with upgrades? |
| 19:51.28 | sarkis | mine is stuck on 6.0, i assume it stays at whatever original image was installed? |
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| 19:56.01 | Trewas | sarkis: it is part of base-files package, so it should get upgraded |
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| 19:56.32 | sarkis | hmmm |
| 19:56.39 | sarkis | for some reason it hasn't changed |
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| 19:57.05 | sarkis | and dpkg -l tells me... ii base-files 6.0squeeze7 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 19:57.31 | LtL | sarkis: run `lsb_release -a` /etc/issue is not an issue |
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| 19:57.43 | talin | hmm, syslog-ng or rsyslog? |
| 19:57.50 | sarkis | ah |
| 19:57.55 | sarkis | LtL: thanks for clarification |
| 19:58.02 | sarkis | 6.0.7 |
| 19:58.12 | LtL | sarkis: you're welcome |
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| 20:00.25 | Trek00 | sarkis: /etc/debian_version should contain the actual version like lsb_release |
| 20:00.42 | sarkis | got it.. it does.. thanks Trek00 |
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| 20:32.27 | Trek00 | joncrunchbang: I was using xfce panel + thunar with squeezy but i found fbpanel + pcmanfm ligher |
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| 20:32.27 | dekiss | how to change resolution :S |
| 20:32.27 | dekiss | in gnome |
| 20:32.28 | Trek00 | dekiss: gnome control panel something? :) |
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| 20:32.30 | grn | can you recommend a password manager that doesn't require gnome nor kde? I'm running a custom xmonad setup and I'd like to store my passwords in a safe place. |
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| 20:32.31 | joncrunchbang | Trek00: yeah, if i wanted it lighter i can, but meh, i have the putah to handle it, i'm looking for usability and non-intrusive :D. |
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| 20:32.32 | dekiss | I can't find where to change reslution in gnome pls help :S |
| 20:32.33 | fwisses | grn: emacs + gog |
| 20:32.33 | dekiss | ok nevermind |
| 20:32.34 | fwisses | *gpg |
| 20:32.34 | dekiss | brb |
| 20:32.34 | LtL | grn: put them in a file and gpg encrypt them. |
| 20:32.34 | nkuttler | grn: i also use gpg encrypted files.. |
| 20:32.34 | nkuttler | all managers i tried suck |
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| 20:32.34 | Trek00 | joncrunchbang: I spotted them to you because they are usable and non-intrusive, only a suggestion :) |
| 20:32.35 | nkuttler | grn: and make sure your editor doesn't backup/cache/whatever them |
| 20:32.35 | Trek00 | grn: I use gpg + txt too |
| 20:32.35 | joncrunchbang | Trek00: i'm only a newbie, so thanks for that :D. |
| 20:32.35 | grn | ok, that's one possibility. But I'd like it to integrate with the rest of the system (e.g. a web browser). Is that doable? |
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| 20:32.36 | nkuttler | grn: web browsers do their own password management.. konqueror might integrate with kde though, no idea |
| 20:32.38 | nkuttler | and maybe gnome has something similar |
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| 20:33.50 | dekiss | guys |
| 20:34.06 | dekiss | I have installed what you have told me but I still don't have graphic driver installed I think :S |
| 20:34.15 | Trek00 | dekiss: why? |
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| 20:34.28 | dekiss | when i check driver it says another driver is installed |
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| 20:35.46 | swearmts_ | can anyone suggest a good process management tool? |
| 20:35.46 | dekiss | aww ok |
| 20:35.46 | dekiss | look |
| 20:35.46 | dekiss | im gona reinstall debian 7 |
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| 20:35.46 | Trek00 | dekiss: wait |
| 20:35.46 | dekiss | I runned adm driver I donwloaded and it blocked and now |
| 20:35.46 | nkuttler | swearmts_: process management? |
| 20:35.46 | dekiss | I am not sure which driver I have :S |
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| 20:35.51 | Trek00 | dekiss: are you at the textual console or under X window? |
| 20:35.51 | nkuttler | swearmts_: htop maybe? |
| 20:35.57 | dekiss | gnome |
| 20:36.07 | Trek00 | dekiss: so graphics drivers are installed |
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| 20:36.14 | dekiss | how you know |
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| 20:36.16 | Trek00 | dekiss: may be you want 3D drivers? |
| 20:36.21 | dekiss | im not sure :S |
| 20:36.24 | dekiss | nvm |
| 20:36.28 | Trek00 | dekiss: gnome should not start if you don't have drivers |
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| 20:36.34 | dekiss | why apache 2.2 :S |
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| 20:36.37 | dekiss | ok |
| 20:36.47 | dekiss | wait ow to install flash |
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| 20:37.14 | dekiss | can I make somehow so it doesn;t ask me for root password every time i start synaptic manager |
| 20:37.22 | dekiss | is it ok if I login as root not as user? |
| 20:37.39 | Trek00 | dekiss: not, you should never login as root |
| 20:37.40 | joncrunchbang | Trek00: is fb-panel as customizable as xfce-panel? |
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| 20:38.02 | Trek00 | joncrunchbang: is customizabile by editing a simple text file |
| 20:38.09 | joncrunchbang | kk. |
| 20:38.11 | joncrunchbang | thanks. |
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| 20:38.38 | Trek00 | joncrunchbang: xfce-panel is the only panel (not too heavy) that has configuration gui |
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| 20:39.14 | dekiss | how to install adobe flash |
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| 20:39.32 | Trek00 | dekiss: the package flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:40.17 | dekiss | Trek00, I can't find that package in synaptic |
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| 20:40.21 | grn | dekiss: what Trek00 said + enable the non-free archive |
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| 20:40.45 | dekiss | grn, how to enable non free archive |
| 20:41.01 | Trek00 | dekiss: also for the 3D graphics drivers you need the non-free archive + install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:41.13 | dekiss | how t enable it |
| 20:41.23 | jim__ | !non-free |
| 20:41.25 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 20:41.31 | babilen | dekiss: You have to enable contrib for that to work. You might want to enable non-free as well -- You end up with a /etc/apt/sources.list like http://paste.debian.net/8487/ for wheezy |
| 20:41.50 | babilen | flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib, not in non-free |
| 20:42.03 | dekiss | but how can I enable those packages? |
| 20:42.19 | jim__ | I'm finally after about 2 weeks crawling out from the evilness and brokenness which is dracut |
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| 20:42.51 | jhutchins_wk | !flash |
| 20:42.51 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 20:42.56 | grn | dekiss: http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic - search for non-free (I think that's it, I don't use Synaptic) |
| 20:43.03 | Trek00 | dekiss: you must edit /etc/apt/sources.list adding contrib and non-free after main in the lines that starts with deb |
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| 20:43.38 | Trek00 | dekiss: see the grn link, it is simpler |
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| 20:44.03 | grn | hmm, how do gnash and lightspark look when compared with Adobe's implementation? |
| 20:44.19 | babilen | dekiss: You simply enable <contrib> and <non-free> (essentially use the sources.list I pasted) -- Run "apt-get update" and then install the flashplugin-nonfree package with "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" -- Please also finally read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html that I pointed out to you earlier |
| 20:44.56 | dekiss | hw to edit files from terminal? |
| 20:45.32 | dekiss | http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic |
| 20:45.35 | Trek00 | grn: on squeeze youtube won't work |
| 20:45.36 | dekiss | wait |
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| 20:45.44 | dekiss | Error: no write permission for file "/etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 20:45.53 | nkuttler | dekiss: so become root |
| 20:46.00 | grn | Trek00: do you know how it works on wheezy? |
| 20:46.04 | dekiss | how |
| 20:46.07 | Trek00 | dekiss: using synaptic preferences is simpler |
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| 20:46.11 | jhutchins_wk | !root |
| 20:46.13 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 20:46.14 | Trek00 | grn: not, never tested |
| 20:46.22 | dekiss | nkuttler, hot to become root |
| 20:46.39 | nkuttler | dekiss: sudo is quite popular, or just plain su |
| 20:46.48 | zykotick9 | grn: just fyi, but not all youtube (i'd even say, most) don't work using gnash+html5 :( on wheezy |
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| 20:47.11 | dekiss | how to edit file from terminal? |
| 20:47.14 | moof2 | a recent "adventure" with the package manager that's yours and mine, apt-get, I temporarily uninstalled a bunch of kde stuff... how would I install that stuff again? (what are the meta pkgs for full kde) |
| 20:47.15 | nkuttler | dekiss: personally i prefer sudo.. i've seen to many admins leave root shells open |
| 20:47.17 | nkuttler | dekiss: i like vim |
| 20:47.21 | jhutchins_wk | !newbid_guide |
| 20:47.25 | jhutchins_wk | !newbieguide |
| 20:47.27 | dekiss | so I type vim file? |
| 20:47.30 | nkuttler | dekiss: you might want nano instead |
| 20:47.30 | jhutchins_wk | Gah. |
| 20:47.36 | nkuttler | dekiss: try nano file |
| 20:47.37 | jhutchins_wk | !newbie_guide |
| 20:47.37 | dpkg | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! Veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
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| 20:48.17 | moof2 | is it easy to remember the _? |
| 20:48.25 | dekiss | dejan is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 20:48.34 | dekiss | what is this? |
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| 20:48.46 | moof2 | uhoh... it's the sudo police! |
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| 20:48.54 | moof2 | they have DONUTS! |
| 20:49.16 | dekiss | they reported me? |
| 20:49.20 | babilen | dekiss: It looks as if you have to learn a lot - You might want to become root now. To do that type "su" and enter your root password. Then run "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo" and relogin. That allows you to use sudo. You can, for example, edit /etc/apt/sources.list with "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 20:49.23 | nkuttler | dekiss: ah well, sudo has to be configured.. |
| 20:49.33 | moof2 | they reported you to the donut chief |
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| 20:49.44 | dekiss | thank you for giving information for that babilen and all |
| 20:49.55 | dekiss | so sudo gives donuts? |
| 20:49.56 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: THat's why we usually recommend using su - instead of sudo - sudo is not enabled by default. |
| 20:49.58 | babilen | moof2: Please, could we concentrate on actual problems and leave the joked in #debian-offtopic or somewhere else. There is enough noise here already. |
| 20:49.59 | dekiss | :D joke thanks again.. |
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| 20:50.10 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: If you want to use sudo, add yourself to the group. |
| 20:50.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell dekiss -about general irc tutorial |
| 20:50.15 | dekiss | ok sec |
| 20:50.28 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: Try aptitude -f install to replace deleted packages. |
| 20:50.40 | babilen | dekiss: You probably also want to read those command line tool tutorials. But really, read the debian handbook! |
| 20:50.51 | dekiss | how to relogin |
| 20:50.52 | moof2 | I did that to restore the boot stuff, it's finally booting again |
| 20:50.59 | dekiss | I have run adduser USERNAME sudo |
| 20:51.01 | dekiss | now how to relogin |
| 20:51.10 | nvz | yeah most anything that could be any bit dangerous is designed to not work by default in debian.. I've even seen packages that merely have something like a setup=1 kinda deal in a config file somewhere that you have to actually LOOK at the config or the program won't start |
| 20:51.14 | dekiss | I am in su now how to exit su |
| 20:51.19 | moof2 | I think the -f install removed the kde stuff |
| 20:51.25 | Trek00 | babilen: but the sudo police was good, he gived me a break :) |
| 20:51.26 | jhutchins_wk | moof2: You can try installing kde-all |
| 20:51.40 | moof2 | ok, cool |
| 20:51.48 | babilen | dekiss: Note that you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list also as root (after having run "su") -- That would allow you to edit the sources.list to match http://paste.debian.net/8487 now without configuring sudo first. Then run "apt-get update" and install the flash package with "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 20:51.49 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: Just like any shell, exit |
| 20:52.17 | wifdy | I want to stop slim login manager from starting at boot and just have the command line |
| 20:52.17 | dekiss | ok |
| 20:52.24 | dekiss | now I need to relogin |
| 20:52.27 | dekiss | with my user |
| 20:52.31 | dekiss | to use sudo? |
| 20:52.32 | dekiss | ^^ |
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| 20:52.37 | babilen | dekiss: You log out and then you log in again. That will, naturally, end the current session. (hence my suggestion to work as root for now) |
| 20:52.50 | nvz | wifdy: update-rc.d -f slimdm remove |
| 20:52.52 | dekiss | ok im gona relogin wait |
| 20:53.00 | dekiss | also one more thing |
| 20:53.02 | wifdy | ah great thanks |
| 20:53.08 | nvz | wifdy: the name of the script may not be slimdm, I never heard of it, so you might have to modify that to suit your case |
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| 20:53.24 | dekiss | I have added a lot of favorite chaannels in xchat and also in auto joined channels but I only join debian and javascript why? |
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| 20:54.00 | babilen | dekiss: No, idea. Ask in an XChat channel and/or check your configuration. |
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| 20:54.15 | zykotick9 | wifdy: rcconf is a nice curses app for managing services |
| 20:54.20 | dekiss | ok |
| 20:54.53 | nvz | zykotick9: have you used that any bit recently? |
| 20:55.18 | zykotick9 | nvz: well, it's still working on wheezy... not sure what your asking? |
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| 20:55.35 | nvz | zykotick9: I haven't used it in ages, and last I did, it didn't seem to work as well with putting links in ans update-rc.d for removing services I'm sure it's just as good as anything |
| 20:56.13 | nvz | I just don't recommend it for that reason.. update-rc.d allows more control and sanely respects defaults.. when I last used rcconf it was fairly generic in its function |
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| 20:56.53 | moof2 | the first inkling I got, is kdm doesn't have kde session to switch to/away from... it had default(previous), fvwm and failsafe |
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| 20:57.00 | nvz | ..and yeah I didn't know if it still existed even, cause it was a kinda lame tool to begin with |
| 20:57.02 | zykotick9 | nvz: i find rcconf very handy YMMV |
| 20:57.13 | dekiss | ok now how to enable that source? |
| 20:57.22 | moof2 | aptitude isn't doing anything with kde-all or kde |
| 20:57.32 | dekiss | sudo vim /etc/.. ? |
| 20:57.50 | dekiss | /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 20:57.56 | nvz | dekiss: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:58.06 | dekiss | edit that gile |
| 20:58.07 | babilen | dekiss: Run "sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 20:58.15 | dekiss | to enable that things nonfree and such |
| 20:58.33 | nvz | dekiss: yeah, that would be the file.. just add non-free to the end of your main mirror line |
| 20:58.52 | dekiss | so to the end of file to add non-free? |
| 20:58.52 | babilen | dekiss: But I've told you that already, haven't I ? |
| 20:58.52 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: You might want to read some of the documentation at http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 20:59.00 | Trek00 | dekiss: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or changing preferences in synaptic will get the same results (I hope) |
| 20:59.19 | nvz | dekiss: no, no, at the end of your mirror.. i.e "deb http://mypackagemirror/ wheezy main contrib non-free" |
| 20:59.23 | dekiss | I have 6 main |
| 20:59.38 | babilen | dekiss: You want your sources.list to look *exactly* like http://paste.debian.net/8504/ |
| 20:59.47 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: You should only have one deb and one deb-src |
| 21:00.01 | dekiss | but I have 6 |
| 21:00.09 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: updates, volitile.. etc |
| 21:00.17 | babilen | dekiss: Alternatively you can edit your current sources.list and make sure that they end in "main contrib non-free" then save the file, run "apt-get update" and "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 21:00.18 | Trek00 | dekiss: may be it is similar to the one posted by babilen? |
| 21:00.18 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: So fix it, make it look like babilen's link. |
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| 21:00.57 | moof2 | is http.us.debian.org no longer a mirror? |
| 21:00.59 | dekiss | http://pastie.org/8006623 |
| 21:01.01 | dekiss | this is |
| 21:01.05 | dekiss | my sources.list file |
| 21:01.20 | dekiss | http://pastie.org/8006625 |
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| 21:01.23 | dekiss | this is complete |
| 21:01.29 | dekiss | is this bad? |
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| 21:01.46 | Trek00 | dekiss: where you see main you should add contrib and non-free |
| 21:01.51 | dekiss | ok |
| 21:02.06 | moof2 | dekiss, line 1, at the end, put "contrib non-free" |
| 21:02.07 | nvz | moof2: yes, it is.. Idk what the deal is with the mirror they selected.. perhaps it finds you a local mirror using a round robin kinda deal |
| 21:02.18 | wifdy | zykotick9: thanks I have installed rcconf now |
| 21:02.33 | moof2 | nvz, I picked it from memory |
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| 21:03.08 | moof2 | maybe I don't have the right stuff mounted... I've been doing major surgery on it all week |
| 21:03.19 | dekiss | ok done |
| 21:03.38 | moof2 | dekiss, so you altered sources.list, right? |
| 21:03.40 | dekiss | I added contrib non-free at the end of each line that ends with main |
| 21:03.55 | moof2 | that might not work. |
| 21:03.59 | dekiss | why |
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| 21:04.33 | dekiss | moof2, why? |
| 21:04.44 | moof2 | that might not work, because not all of them have those repos, it might give you lots of 404 not found |
| 21:04.52 | nvz | dekiss: its fine.. I checked for what he was thinking |
| 21:05.01 | nvz | that mirror has contrib/non-free |
| 21:05.24 | moof2 | dekiss, so you altered sources.list, right? |
| 21:05.26 | Trek00 | security don't have non-free but no errors reported to me |
| 21:05.30 | dekiss | yes |
| 21:05.58 | dekiss | I can change those mirrors igf I need to |
| 21:05.59 | moof2 | as always, when you alter sources.list, you might want to apply those changes... do you want to do that? |
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| 21:06.07 | Trek00 | dekiss: now you could install flash and firmware |
| 21:06.16 | dekiss | I wonder my country's mirror what can have ^^ because I know them they are very bad |
| 21:06.30 | dekiss | now one company from germany I think bought them and they are better but I am not sure |
| 21:06.31 | dekiss | cabletel |
| 21:06.41 | dekiss | now are called blizoo |
| 21:06.45 | dekiss | ok |
| 21:06.54 | nvz | yeah it looked like an isp mirror, hence why moof2 had concerns about it |
| 21:07.21 | dekiss | its isp that mirror |
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| 21:07.46 | nvz | dekiss: though given what you just said that url may become invalid in the future |
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| 21:08.12 | dekiss | before that company bought them they very VERY bad now I am not sure I hear good things about them so far.. |
| 21:08.20 | nvz | though typically domains take a year or so to expire, and who knows if the new owner will renew it and maintain the dns entries for it |
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| 21:09.18 | nvz | I doubt they'd drop their mirror, cause its in their interest to have one.. cuts down on bandwidth having a local mirror for the universe's greatest os. |
| 21:09.30 | moof2 | I get this when u;pdate: W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release: Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-x86-64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file), and E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
| 21:09.34 | moof2 | are those two different problems? |
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| 21:09.53 | dekiss | umm what is this ? http://pastie.org/8006674 |
| 21:10.03 | dekiss | I got this when tried to run apt get update |
| 21:10.14 | moof2 | you want apt-get |
| 21:10.18 | moof2 | not apt get |
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| 21:10.37 | nvz | moof2: one is a warning, the other is an error.. normally apt-get update or the like will ignore misses and successfully build the cache regardless.. so yeah kinda sounds like two errors to me |
| 21:10.56 | dekiss | I wrote apt -get |
| 21:11.00 | jelly-home | dekiss: have you read the message? |
| 21:11.05 | dekiss | yes |
| 21:11.11 | moof2 | ok... care to help me debug? I suspect stuff is missing |
| 21:11.20 | jelly-home | dekiss: especially this bit: "are you root?" |
| 21:11.24 | dekiss | no |
| 21:11.29 | dekiss | so I need sudo for this? |
| 21:11.33 | jelly-home | dekiss: then you haven't read the message. |
| 21:11.57 | dekiss | ok sry |
| 21:11.58 | ompaul | dekiss: sudo -i |
| 21:12.00 | dekiss | totally new |
| 21:12.08 | ompaul | dekiss: then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:12.10 | jelly-home | dekiss: you need to be root. It can be done with sudo, or some other way |
| 21:12.12 | moof2 | like, how to find why it's not rebuilding the cache... do I have missing dirs? (btw, what's /run) |
| 21:12.14 | dekiss | guys please tell me where can I find paid video tutorials or free for linux? |
| 21:12.17 | dekiss | and/or debian |
| 21:12.34 | ompaul | dekiss: you were just given a solution - follow it |
| 21:12.57 | jelly-home | dekiss: any updates to the packaging database require administrative permissions |
| 21:13.04 | moof2 | you can get free video if you fire up a terminal and type stuff... plus there are shell tutorials, lots of them by now |
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| 21:13.26 | jelly-home | dekiss: you could get the debian handbook, perhaps |
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| 21:13.42 | Trek00 | moof2: /run is the new directory tmpfs where links /var/run /var/lock |
| 21:13.43 | jelly-home | it's not a video but a book to read, though |
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| 21:14.14 | moof2 | Trek, ok, so maybe I need additional mounts in /etc/fstab? |
| 21:14.17 | nvz | dekiss: one of the oldest resources for linux questions is tldp.org, but debian comes with more documentation than most any other distro. Perhaps you should first familiarize yourself with the basics of accessing documentation on a linux system |
| 21:14.25 | dekiss | when I try to install flashplugin-nonfree I get this http://pastie.org/8006686 |
| 21:14.40 | Trek00 | moof2: not, it is handled by some init.d script |
| 21:14.49 | ompaul | dekiss: how did you find out you wanted that? |
| 21:14.54 | moof2 | let me see |
| 21:15.17 | moof2 | ok, yes, /run is mounted |
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| 21:15.26 | Trek00 | dekiss: may be you have synaptic opened? |
| 21:15.51 | jelly-home | dekiss: there could be a leftover dpkg or apt process or other package manager somewhere, ps -fe |grep -E 'dpkg|apt' |
| 21:15.55 | moof2 | oh, and, there's a lotta stuff in there |
| 21:16.06 | dekiss | ompaul, someone told me |
| 21:16.09 | Trek00 | moof2: it's all runtime, no need to restore |
| 21:16.14 | dekiss | yes :S wait |
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| 21:16.34 | Trek00 | moof2: may be you have problems with /var/lib/{dpkg,apt} directories |
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| 21:16.58 | moof2 | http://pastie.org/8006696 <-- ls -C /run |
| 21:17.06 | dekiss | man im gona install nmap and hackk all night ^^ |
| 21:17.16 | dekiss | but first im gona buy food supplies ^^ OMG I LOVE THIS |
| 21:17.17 | dekiss | :D |
| 21:17.19 | yids | I am trying to run a binary for debian wheezy, everything is up to date but it complains about libc6 being 2.13 insead of 2.14 |
| 21:17.25 | Trek00 | moof2: it is the normal content of /var/run |
| 21:17.42 | dekiss | thank you for all information im gona read debian handbook and something else and gona leave nmap to hack the planet :) |
| 21:17.50 | moof2 | dekiss, maybe at some point you want to learn to write scripts? |
| 21:17.51 | nvz | yids: where did you obtain the binary? |
| 21:18.13 | dekiss | moof2, im not gona became pro hacker ^^ |
| 21:18.24 | nvz | snickers |
| 21:18.29 | yids | uhm i didnt obtain it it is installed by default no |
| 21:18.30 | yids | ? |
| 21:18.47 | yids | oh wait |
| 21:18.50 | yids | I mean |
| 21:18.50 | Trek00 | yids: what binary? |
| 21:19.00 | nvz | yids: well can you tell me anything to help you figure out how to solve this problem, like what the command is? |
| 21:19.01 | moof2 | here's the pro and con about that: if you become a pro, you might become a con! |
| 21:19.06 | yids | http://www.shotcut.org/ |
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| 21:19.45 | dekiss | is this flash 11? |
| 21:19.46 | yids | then when i try to exectute the binary it says "Shotcut.app/bin/shotcut: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /home/yids/src/Shotcut/Shotcut.app/lib/libmlt.so.6)" |
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| 21:19.55 | dekiss | coz I can't open this - www.speedtest.net :S |
| 21:19.58 | nvz | yids: nice, well I think I'll try this one out for myself.. I do a fair amount of video editing and I so far have been using mostly avidemux-gtk |
| 21:19.58 | dekiss | why? |
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| 21:20.05 | Aktau | Hey guys |
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| 21:20.16 | Aktau | I succesfully made a preseeded usb image |
| 21:20.23 | yids | nvz: okay let me know your results |
| 21:20.25 | Aktau | However, it still manages to ask questions about country and such |
| 21:20.28 | Aktau | (just 2) |
| 21:20.34 | Aktau | Can I somehow get rid of those on wheezy? |
| 21:20.40 | Aktau | I'd like the installation to go full-automatic |
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| 21:20.47 | bradock | hello. is it possible to redefine which ip:port for my dns server? |
| 21:20.58 | bradock | i tried putting ip:port in /etc/resolf.conf but it seems to fail. |
| 21:21.03 | nvz | yids: well the first thing I notice on this site is I'm downloading a tarball, is that also what you downloaded? i.e. not a deb package? |
| 21:21.05 | bradock | i have put nameserver ip:port. |
| 21:21.10 | moof2 | dekiss, you might want to automate something... |
| 21:21.19 | yids | nvz: yes |
| 21:21.20 | bradock | i wanna make my SO connect to a dns server whose port isn't 53. |
| 21:21.31 | moof2 | or if you find yourself typing a collection of lines over and over... |
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| 21:21.55 | nvz | yids: gonna look into the situation |
| 21:22.01 | dekiss | shoud I first stop apache and/or services before I remove it completely?? |
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| 21:22.09 | moof2 | bradock, you want your significant other to connect to a dns? |
| 21:22.40 | bradock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.50 | dekiss | thank all for the information |
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| 21:23.26 | moof2 | dekiss, plus, it also goes to learning your shell (and possibly a different script language) |
| 21:23.43 | bradock | i have a dns server whose ip is x, and it is set on port y. i need to make my operating system do consults to the server x whose port is y. how do i do it? i'm using debian. |
| 21:23.46 | dekiss | shoud I first stop apache and/or services before I remove it completely?? |
| 21:23.59 | yids | nvz: k thnx |
| 21:24.01 | dekiss | becasue it is running now |
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| 21:24.13 | moof2 | remove what? |
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| 21:24.44 | Trek00 | bradock: you may need a dns caching proxy |
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| 21:25.09 | Trek00 | dekiss: removing a package automatically stops it |
| 21:25.10 | moof2 | why does it have to listen at a different port? |
| 21:25.15 | nvz | yids: seems to be built on an ubuntu 12 system.. might need to be recompiled from source to work on wheezy.. either way I have an interest in this so, I'm sure we can figure somethin out |
| 21:25.16 | dekiss | ok thanks all guys |
| 21:25.35 | moof2 | also thanks all girls |
| 21:25.45 | yids | nvz: yeah i guess ill try compiling it |
| 21:25.47 | dekiss | one more question, any idea why I can't open www.speedtest.net? |
| 21:25.49 | dekiss | you can? |
| 21:25.55 | dekiss | it says I don't have flash player |
| 21:26.00 | bradock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.08 | dekiss | but I installed it just now and I can watch youtube videos |
| 21:26.13 | nvz | yids: did you get errors initially about libmlt++ and libmlt ? |
| 21:26.14 | bradock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.24 | yids | nvz: yes |
| 21:26.27 | moof2 | no? why? |
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| 21:26.57 | nvz | yids: what did you do to satisfy the libmlt one? libmlt.so.6 doesn't seem to exist in debian. The libmlt++.so.3 however is |
| 21:27.00 | bradock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.10 | bradock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.15 | bradock | and he doesnt want to. |
| 21:27.18 | dekiss | I want to install apache 2.4 but I can only see apache 2.2 in synaptic why? |
| 21:27.31 | yids | uhm i installed libmlt++3 and libmlt++-dev orso |
| 21:27.33 | moof2 | bradock, what about the possibility of running a caching only dns on the machine you're querying from? |
| 21:27.37 | Trek00 | bradock: install a dns cache proxy on your debian |
| 21:27.43 | Trek00 | bradock: like dnsmasq or pdns |
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| 21:27.56 | bradock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.12 | Trek00 | bradock: configure it to query at this port and then point resolv.conf to localhost |
| 21:28.13 | moof2 | you -could- for example apt-get install bind9 |
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| 21:29.11 | Trek00 | bradock: I always use dnsmasq on local pc to speed up browsing |
| 21:29.27 | nvz | yids: yeah the -dev shouldn't be needed, and I have the libmlt5 and libmlt++3 installed still getting that error. Either way the libc issue is the big one which it seems is why this will require being compiled from source |
| 21:29.40 | yids | ohyea libmlt5 that was the one |
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| 21:29.52 | bradock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.57 | bradock | it seems to be working here. |
| 21:30.03 | moof2 | ok, so all those mounts look good... so I still don't know why it can't build the package cache after apt-get updat |
| 21:30.07 | moof2 | e |
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| 21:30.43 | yids | im trying compiling it now |
| 21:30.51 | jelly-home | dekiss: there is no apache 2.4 in debian 7 |
| 21:30.57 | dekiss | :((((((((((((((( |
| 21:30.58 | nvz | yids: hmm, well for me it still gives the libmlt.so.6 error even with that installed.. but either way short of upgrading libc6 (breaking the system) you'd just have to compile this from source by the look of it.. I'm gonna look around first before I roll it, to see if anyone has packages smewhere |
| 21:31.01 | dekiss | but why?? |
| 21:31.11 | dekiss | why omg |
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| 21:31.21 | moof2 | why what? |
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| 21:31.23 | jelly-home | dekiss: it's too new. |
| 21:31.30 | dekiss | 2.3 |
| 21:31.38 | ChibaPet | ,v apache2 |
| 21:31.39 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; jessie: 2.2.22-13; wheezy: 2.2.22-13; sid: 2.4.4-5 |
| 21:31.53 | jelly-home | dekiss: packaging apache properly is a complex task, that wasn't finished in time for debian 7 |
| 21:31.59 | ChibaPet | Yay, I remembered a bot command. =pets self= |
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| 21:32.44 | jelly-home | there are dozens of separate modules depending on it, many of them not updated for 2.4 |
| 21:32.45 | nvz | yids: the interface to me looks a lot like kdenlive, which last I tried it, was horrible |
| 21:32.56 | yids | hm |
| 21:33.08 | yids | never tried it |
| 21:33.13 | nvz | yids: so much so I'm thinkin this is a fork |
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| 21:33.30 | yids | havent been in to video editing stuff this is gonna be my first try |
| 21:33.37 | Trek00 | yids: have you tried older builds? may be you are lucky and they are using libc 2.13 |
| 21:33.42 | jelly-home | dekiss: what is it you need from apache 2.4? |
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| 21:33.55 | yids | i tried the oldest one in the list and didnt work |
| 21:34.03 | Trek00 | not lucky |
| 21:34.08 | moof2 | he just wants the number bigger |
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| 21:35.20 | nvz | yids: I use avidemux-gtk which is in the debian-multimedia repos.. its good for stuff like converting to ipod (has an auto ipod feature) and cut/paste and basic effects.. it has some issues with random crap you'll find online (shotty media formats) but it works rather well |
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| 21:37.07 | moof2 | can someone help me find out why I can't rebuild my apt cache... |
| 21:37.20 | nvz | yids: only real usability problem with it I seen in years of using it is when you first load a file the UI is fubar.. could just be my wm for all I know.. just moving the window after loading a file fixes it |
| 21:37.22 | moof2 | or why apt-get update can't |
| 21:38.36 | Trek00 | moof2: what is exactly the error message? only E: Couldn't rebuild package cache? |
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| 21:38.53 | nvz | strangely I see no mention of this being a fork of kdenlive.. which is surprising to me cause the interface looks almost identical |
| 21:39.06 | moof2 | yeah, there was no output after that |
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| 21:40.11 | nvz | yids: though you may want to check out kdenlive and avidemux-gtk that are already in debian cause from looking at the roadmap on this site, this program says it don't even support filters yet which both those do |
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| 21:40.41 | Trek00 | moof2: dpkg -l apt |
| 21:40.57 | Trek00 | moof2: may be a a sid version of apt-get? |
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| 21:41.33 | moof2 | 0.9.7.8 (I wouldn't know how a sid version of anything got in here) |
| 21:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | moof2, maybe needs something like APT::Cache-Limit 50000000; in "/etc/apt/apt.conf"? |
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| 21:42.15 | nvz | ,versions apt |
| 21:42.16 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.9.7.8; jessie: 0.9.8.1; sid: 0.9.8.1 |
| 21:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no, that was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" |
| 21:42.34 | moof2 | there is apt.conf-d, there is not apt.conf |
| 21:42.49 | Trek00 | moof2: it's ok, default |
| 21:43.14 | moof2 | back in a sec |
| 21:43.41 | yids | nvz: shotcut does have filters, they say it very proudly on their homepage :P |
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| 21:43.57 | yids | nvz: but ill chech out these others anyway |
| 21:44.00 | Trek00 | moof2: dpkg --add-architecture ? |
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| 21:44.53 | zophy | hallo mein computrons |
| 21:45.10 | nvz | moof2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/06/msg01922.html this seems relevant |
| 21:45.30 | wald0 | how to know if a system needs to be configured as utc or localtime ? |
| 21:45.31 | nvz | yids: ah, well they don't have it crossed off on their roadmap yet ;) |
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| 21:47.24 | zophy | wald0: use localtime unless you want to be confused |
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| 21:48.36 | wald0 | zophy: in my laptop if i use "hwclock -s --localtime" it changes to the wrong time, and in the one of a friend I have the same error when using without --localtime (so the inverse) |
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| 21:49.41 | jvelasquez | wheres a good place to put a shared SVN repo? |
| 21:51.11 | Trek00 | wald0: may be /etc/adjtime is different, may be configure with dpkg-reconfigure util-linux |
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| 21:53.18 | moof2 | jvelasquez, is the code open sourced? |
| 21:53.36 | nevyn__ | Trek00: reccomends are treated as depends in systems that arn't embedded essentialy |
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| 21:53.54 | nevyn__ | Trek00: you should be able as a maintainer to rely on reccomends being installed |
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| 21:55.46 | jvelasquez | moof2, not yet. but I hope it will be. |
| 21:55.53 | Trek00 | nevyn__: an example: libsoup uses GIO that dynamically links GIO modules; if you don't install GIO modules (like tls/ssl) an error message is shown saying that you must install a package (in the same dialog of connection errors) |
| 21:56.12 | moof2 | jvelasquez, are you the author? |
| 21:56.34 | zophy | how can i know if my intel processor supports hyperthreading, is there a flag in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 21:56.40 | Trek00 | nyov: so why libsoup depends on GIO modules where it could only recommends them? |
| 21:57.05 | Trek00 | nyov: I would like submit bugreports/patches for dependecies like this |
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| 21:58.13 | Trek00 | zophy: you should see number of cores or virtual cpu |
| 21:58.17 | moof2 | jvelasquez, so you want to keep this code private? |
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| 22:02.21 | moof2 | if a package would fail if another package is not installed, recommends is -not- appropriate, it has to be depended upon |
| 22:02.42 | moof2 | anything short of that would cause widespread breakages |
| 22:03.26 | Trek00 | moof2: yes and I found some packages that with depends but no fail, only error messages for the missing features |
| 22:03.46 | moof2 | that should be ok |
| 22:03.53 | Trek00 | moof2: I filed this bugreport for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698026 |
| 22:04.16 | moof2 | as long as the package would handle a breakage with a method like the one you describe |
| 22:04.52 | rgr | Debian testing is dong funny things with emacs .. the emacs 23 in the repo wants to install and remove emacs snapshot (24). Any ideas to why? |
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| 22:05.02 | moof2 | depends are for "cannot work without it, period" |
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| 22:05.28 | Trek00 | moof2: many apps use libsoup to make HTTP connections (like webkit apps) and glib-networking (gio modules) are required for SSL, but if not installed all https connections fails (reporting that you must install glib-networking) but the plain http connections are ok |
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| 22:06.27 | moof2 | Trek00 in that case, the lib could report to the app that https isn't available |
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| 22:07.14 | moof2 | so recommend for that gio thing would be ok |
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| 22:07.39 | Trek00 | moof2: thank you! |
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| 22:08.26 | Trek00 | I hate having installed gnome stuff on a cli installation |
| 22:08.42 | moof2 | the way debian distributes kernels, there has to be a way to make an initrd image... so it might depend on one of several alternatives |
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| 22:09.32 | moof2 | oh good :) my old box is running the wheezy kernel |
| 22:09.47 | Trek00 | moof2: update-initramfs? |
| 22:10.10 | moof2 | yeah, and that's in initramfs-tools |
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| 22:10.48 | moof2 | there's that dracut thing, and I havent' gotten it to work properly, so it's gone off my machine |
| 22:11.24 | Trek00 | moof2: boot is not so important, like runtime |
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| 22:12.07 | moof2 | technically they're thinking that dracut would be a good substitute for initramfs-tools. I disagree |
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| 22:12.38 | Trek00 | moof2: why? |
| 22:12.40 | moof2 | if you're going to have a runtime, you need boots, or your feet will break! |
| 22:14.13 | Trek00 | moof2: yes, I mean that performances on the boot are less important that performances on runtime (but may be I'm only envious as I have hardware that takes more that 15 seconds to detect) |
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| 22:14.53 | moof2 | because 1, I think it uses cpio for the archive (a decision that fits more with redhat), when it picks up on the fact it needs to activate a logical volume at boot, it shouldn't just activate the first alphabetical volume group as the installation might not be in that one |
| 22:15.02 | Trek00 | moof2: uh oh! I understand now the joke! my englisch is not very good :) |
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| 22:16.22 | moof2 | and third, when it drops into a shell, my keyboard doesn't work |
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| 22:16.50 | Trek00 | moof2: I like this feature :) |
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| 22:17.42 | moof2 | but I solved all that, by getting rid of dracut, (again) installing initramfs-tools and then rebuilding all the initrds |
| 22:18.30 | moof2 | and now I can compile long stuff without the laptop shutting down because the case can't handle the heat flow |
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| 22:19.07 | Trek00 | moof2: are you using systemd or sysvrc? |
| 22:19.19 | moof2 | right now I don't know |
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| 22:19.56 | moof2 | I didn't request to switch to systemd |
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| 22:20.18 | Trek00 | I'm curious on this new systemd, if it is ligther or feature rich |
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| 22:24.43 | Trek00 | moof2: advertising: I substituted exim with dma (for local only delivery) |
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| 22:26.14 | jelly-home | ooh, it does local delivery |
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| 22:26.22 | wald0 | there's multiple ntp packages in debian, which is a good one and that doesn't blocks/slows the boot of the system if there's no connection to internet ? |
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| 22:27.04 | moof2 | well it doesn't make sense to start ntpd unless the net is up |
| 22:27.09 | SmashingX | hey Trek00, I tried to run fsck but it says: fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sdb Could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 22:27.29 | Trek00 | wald0: if you don't need highly precise time sync you should install rdate and make a little script |
| 22:27.32 | moof2 | it blocks when the internet is down because it can't use dns |
| 22:27.56 | Trek00 | wald0: rdate -vn 0.ru.pool.ntp.org | logger -t NTP & |
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| 22:28.44 | Trek00 | SmashingX: you should fsck on the right partition (sdb1 sdb2 etc) not on the whole disk (sdb) |
| 22:29.15 | Trek00 | jelly-home: yeah, local delivery without a daemon! |
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| 22:30.11 | SmashingX | Trek00: now it dissapeared ! |
| 22:30.27 | moof2 | now what disappeared? |
| 22:30.40 | SmashingX | Trek00: it seems like I can only access it once and then if I don't do anything to it it dissapears |
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| 22:30.51 | Trek00 | SmashingX: cable problems? |
| 22:30.59 | moof2 | what are you looking to accomplish? |
| 22:31.26 | SmashingX | Trek00: I don't think so, it happens with any cable |
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| 22:31.50 | Trek00 | SmashingX: try fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 22:31.58 | Trek00 | SmashingX: it shows the partition table |
| 22:32.06 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 22:32.31 | Trek00 | SmashingX: also dmesg should show some error message? |
| 22:33.04 | moof2 | maybe something in /etc/fstab mentions sdb instead of sdbN |
| 22:33.13 | TJNII_ | I've installed a 2nd Radeon card, but X is not driving it. Only the DVI outputs on my 1st card are active, and xrandr does not show the outputs on the 2nd card. Any wise words? |
| 22:33.22 | SmashingX | I did fdisk -l /dev/sdb and it shows some info |
| 22:33.27 | SmashingX | now what should I do? |
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| 22:34.08 | Trek00 | SmashingX: you can fsck the partitions of Linux type |
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| 22:34.21 | moof2 | SmashingX, if that's showing you partitions, that is the reason to not fsck the whole drive |
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| 22:34.44 | SmashingX | I did fsck -f /dev/sdb1 |
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| 22:35.00 | SmashingX | and now it shows error 2 while executing fsck.ntf for /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:35.06 | Trek00 | SmashingX: be careful with fsck, it writes the disk according to your directives, it is irreversible then |
| 22:35.09 | SmashingX | fsck/ntfs: not found |
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| 22:35.26 | SmashingX | I just want to recover data |
| 22:35.30 | Trek00 | SmashingX: you should fsck only linux partitions, not ntfs |
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| 22:35.32 | SmashingX | or fix the disk if possible |
| 22:35.52 | SmashingX | but I did: fsck -f /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:36.01 | SmashingX | I'm doing it to partition sdb1 |
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| 22:36.38 | Trek00 | SmashingX: fsck recognize sdb1 as ntfs |
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| 22:37.17 | SmashingX | ok, so then is there anything I can do? |
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| 22:38.14 | Trek00 | SmashingX: if you have only this partition (sdb1) and it is formatted as ntfs, may be microsoft windows tools must be used |
| 22:38.32 | SmashingX | ohhhh |
| 22:38.47 | SmashingX | the problem is that in windows it takes forever to see the drive |
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| 22:39.01 | SmashingX | and at the end it cant do anything |
| 22:39.07 | Trek00 | SmashingX: i don't think that linux can fix an ntfs |
| 22:39.14 | SmashingX | oh damn |
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| 22:40.35 | Trek00 | SmashingX: you can try installing ntfs-3g and try again with fsck, but no guarantees |
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| 22:41.24 | woshty_ | what powermanagement stuff does installed by tasksel for laptop in wheezy? Something is switching my hdd off on battery all the time. |
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| 22:42.29 | Trek00 | woshty: usually hdparm and/or the bios controls hdd power management |
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| 22:44.10 | Trek00 | moof2: have you resolved you apt problem? /var was full? |
| 22:44.12 | woshty | Trek00: strangely, neither hdparm nor laptop-mode-tools were installed iirc |
| 22:44.47 | dekiss | what you linux guys use for web dev ^^ |
| 22:45.02 | dekiss | please suggest me something for web dev some application |
| 22:45.06 | Trek00 | woshty: may be the bios, that before the upgrade could be overridden by a previosly installed package |
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| 22:45.18 | krisfremen | dekiss: python? |
| 22:45.32 | dekiss | no I meant application for web dev |
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| 22:45.37 | dekiss | lightweight |
| 22:45.52 | dekiss | editor for writing html css javascript php |
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| 22:46.10 | moof2 | plenty of space in /var |
| 22:46.20 | phogg | dekiss: I use emacs, generally. Pro tip: All IDEs suck one way or another. |
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| 22:46.40 | phogg | dekiss: and it doesn't matter much! Pick something you like, even if it's gedit |
| 22:46.52 | Trek00 | dekiss: gedit properly formats your html files, but not renders it, you can edit but then you must open the page in the browser |
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| 22:46.56 | dekiss | I like notepad++ |
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| 22:47.03 | dekiss | is there package of it in synaptic let me check |
| 22:47.08 | phogg | dekiss: isn't that a windows program? |
| 22:47.13 | dekiss | im not sure |
| 22:47.18 | dekiss | it doesnt have linux ver? :S |
| 22:47.25 | dekiss | omg i love notepad :( |
| 22:47.34 | dekiss | please anything similar to notepad? im used to it |
| 22:47.47 | phogg | dekiss: gedit, kedit, other simple editors of that sort |
| 22:47.55 | dekiss | I just want to edit html files htl css javascript php editor nothing more |
| 22:47.56 | Trek00 | moof2: dpkg --print-architecture is ok? |
| 22:47.58 | dekiss | lightweight |
| 22:47.59 | phogg | dekiss: what about it did you like? |
| 22:48.08 | dekiss | but it mus understand syntax and nice colors ^^ |
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| 22:48.22 | dekiss | phogg, those things IMention |
| 22:48.34 | moof2 | dekiss, maybe you'll like mousepad |
| 22:48.37 | dekiss | so emacs or gedit? |
| 22:48.47 | dekiss | oh I hate choices |
| 22:48.51 | moof2 | emacs is too nonstandard |
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| 22:49.10 | phogg | dekiss: lightweight and syntax highlighting is easy, just about all of them do that. Try gedit. |
| 22:49.17 | moof2 | one of your choices is to hate choices |
| 22:49.23 | dekiss | ok thanks |
| 22:49.30 | dekiss | gedit is build in debian? |
| 22:49.31 | phogg | moof2: what? Emacs is the standard... well ed is the standard, but nobody uses that. |
| 22:49.43 | dekiss | yep |
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| 22:49.57 | dontalton | is anyone here intimate with the late_command? |
| 22:50.04 | phogg | is pleased to see nedit still hanging around |
| 22:50.17 | moof2 | phogg, I don't disagree, and I'll assert that you are looking from a very different angle |
| 22:50.27 | dekiss | ok so Emacs? |
| 22:50.31 | dekiss | is it lightweight? |
| 22:50.38 | moof2 | not especially |
| 22:50.44 | dekiss | I need just proper code highloighting html css javascript php |
| 22:50.58 | moof2 | maybe emacs then, or gedit |
| 22:51.01 | dekiss | so any suggestings? thanks all for information |
| 22:51.04 | phogg | dekiss: they all do that, or can be set to with googleable config files |
| 22:51.26 | dekiss | one more question, I can't get virus on debian? |
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| 22:51.55 | Trek00 | dekiss: It's improbable, especially if you do updates |
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| 22:52.25 | dekiss | debian handbook free thank you very much I love debian man and linux |
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| 22:52.35 | dekiss | who owns debian |
| 22:52.39 | dekiss | ill research now little |
| 22:52.56 | Trek00 | dekiss: everyone owns free software :) |
| 22:53.03 | dekiss | treK WHAT IS 'IMPROBABLE'? |
| 22:53.06 | dekiss | sry caps |
| 22:53.42 | Trek00 | dekiss: virus on debian |
| 22:53.45 | moof2 | viruses need higher permissions to do what they do |
| 22:54.23 | honkeymagoo | What about root kits |
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| 22:55.21 | Trek00 | dekiss: you can get application virus, like javascript worms, openoffice viruses etc, but system virus are not spreded |
| 22:56.02 | dekiss | can I get root kit on debian? |
| 22:56.03 | nevyn__ | rubbish. |
| 22:56.06 | dekiss | how to protect myselff? |
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| 22:56.20 | Trek00 | dekiss: update your system weekely |
| 22:56.27 | dekiss | ok |
| 22:57.27 | nevyn | is weary of the whole "linux doesn't get viruses" meme |
| 22:57.46 | honkeymagoo | It is very very very rate to ever find a virus on any Linux system |
| 22:58.06 | honkeymagoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.27 | honkeymagoo | Epically on debian stable |
| 22:58.44 | Trek00 | nevyn: you got infected? :) |
| 22:59.12 | honkeymagoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.24 | honkeymagoo | Sorry |
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| 23:00.12 | nevyn | there have been security vulnerabilities in apps for very long periods of time. (including telnetd and X11libs) we don't have this writing secure code thing licked at all |
| 23:00.45 | Zitter | hi, how to reconfigure my ethernet card. I remember something like dpkg-reconfigure network but it doesn't work. I would like to use this method instead of edit /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 23:00.49 | nevyn | and because we have a more complex set of words for viruses (worms trojans rootkits) doesn't make them not viruses. |
| 23:01.07 | honkeymagoo | Yeah but it is still the safest thing out there |
| 23:01.29 | jelly-home | honkeymagoo: by virtue of obscurity |
| 23:01.35 | Trek00 | nevyn: linux was not widespreaded as other system, so writing virus to infect less than 0.1% of the computers was not useful |
| 23:01.46 | nevyn | Trek00: that's also true. |
| 23:01.47 | honkeymagoo | Fair enough |
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| 23:02.24 | nevyn | it depends on administration practice more than anything else |
| 23:02.27 | Trek00 | nevyn: that why application viruses are more common, they are multi-platform! :) |
| 23:02.53 | nevyn | other operating systems have far more complex trust models for software that are harder to manage |
| 23:02.54 | jelly-home | honkeymagoo: you want an attempt at a linux os designed with security in mind, look at http://qubes-os.org/ |
| 23:03.00 | Trek00 | nevyn: yes, if you run firefox as root, you will be secure as with windows |
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| 23:03.24 | nevyn | Trek00: windows hasn't allowed local logon as administrator for 3 major versions now. |
| 23:03.26 | phogg | pokes around at some editors he can install easily. |
| 23:03.32 | phogg | gprompter is rather amusing |
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| 23:03.39 | nevyn | phogg: do not write an editor. |
| 23:03.48 | nevyn | or a software licence |
| 23:03.50 | Trek00 | jelly-home: qube-os is heavy, but good proof of concept |
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| 23:04.30 | Trek00 | nevyn: yes but the applications still get superuser privileges when installed |
| 23:04.44 | Trek00 | nevyn: (like firefox silent update) |
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| 23:04.59 | jelly-home | Trek00: also, root is kind of a red herring. http://xkcd.com/1200/ |
| 23:05.02 | nevyn | Trek00: and sudo aptitude update does the same thing |
| 23:05.14 | nevyn | it's about the data stupid? |
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| 23:05.18 | jelly-home | nevyn: and sudo aptitude update does not work by default |
| 23:05.53 | nevyn | it does on the most popular desktop linux in existance. |
| 23:06.06 | Trek00 | jelly-home: I use strict user separation since decades :) |
| 23:06.17 | jelly-home | nevyn: but we're not in #mostpopulardesktoplinux |
| 23:07.07 | nevyn | sure. |
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| 23:07.16 | Trek00 | nevyn: running sudo aptitude is different that running directly a shellcode as superuser, there is an exploit for firefox and his silent update |
| 23:07.44 | jelly-home | and it doesn't matter at all |
| 23:07.55 | phogg | nevyn: too late, I've written both... fortunately the license never escaped. |
| 23:08.17 | phogg | nevyn: everyone writes an editor, but it doesn't mean they see any use |
| 23:08.23 | jelly-home | since everyone except Trek00 browse random sites and their netbanking and run scripts in the same X server, as the same user |
| 23:08.25 | nevyn | heh |
| 23:08.39 | nevyn | phogg: my mate stared writing an operating system once.. |
| 23:09.00 | phogg | nevyn: there used to be more of that around when it was easier to get in to |
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| 23:09.20 | nevyn | x86 virtual init is horrible. |
| 23:09.28 | Trek00 | jelly-home: the same X server may be an issue, but user separation is a good blocker :) |
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| 23:10.17 | jelly-home | Trek00: MAY be an issue? It "only" allows for injecting input to any window, and reading your keyboard and mouse from any window. |
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| 23:10.28 | shicy | hello :) |
| 23:10.39 | nevyn | Trek00: except for the 30 xlib vulnerabilities announced last week. |
| 23:10.42 | Trek00 | jelly-home: reading keyboard is the issue (password stealing) |
| 23:10.52 | jelly-home | nevyn: those were mostly crap. |
| 23:10.55 | shicy | is there any chance to see "sisimedia" driver in debian repositories? |
| 23:11.22 | Trek00 | nevyn: xlib vulnerabilities that affects the clients... :) |
| 23:11.24 | nevyn | jelly-home: ish. I use X11 in the trusted client untrusted xserver type model so it concerned me. |
| 23:11.25 | jelly-home | nevyn: the protocol is broken, and there's no isolation between apps to speak of |
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| 23:12.01 | mmnicolas | Trek00, nevyn other people need real help here, please move to -offtopic |
| 23:12.11 | shicy | why am i asking? because "sis" driver doesn't work for my card (sis 671) |
| 23:12.12 | Trek00 | sorry |
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| 23:12.39 | nevyn | mia culpa. |
| 23:12.42 | shicy | and "vesa" gives only 1024x768 with refresh rate 60 Hz and 1280x768 with refresh rate 0 Hz |
| 23:12.43 | jelly-home | shicy: is your card too new or too old? |
| 23:12.44 | mmnicolas | shicy: there are drivers for SiS devices yes |
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| 23:13.19 | shicy | "sisimedia" driver gives 1280x800 with refresh rate 60 Hz |
| 23:13.25 | moof2 | shicy, lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 23:14.09 | shicy | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1039:6351] (rev 10 |
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| 23:14.31 | moof2 | , pciid [1039:6351] |
| 23:14.33 | judd | [1039:6351] is '771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter' from 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1039:6351 |
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| 23:15.27 | mmnicolas | shicy: apparently that driver was never ported to X.org |
| 23:15.35 | shicy | :( |
| 23:15.41 | jelly-home | shicy: your issue is reported as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741 |
| 23:15.50 | moof2 | shicy, so that's suggesting that the current kernels don't have that driver... do you have info to suggest otherwise? (one way: has this card ever worked for you?) |
| 23:15.53 | jelly-home | judd: bug 546741 |
| 23:15.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/546741 in xserver-xorg-video-sis (open): «xserver-xorg-video-sis: X fails to start (SiS 771/671 - No devices detected)»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-09-15; last modified: 2011-11-28. |
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| 23:16.15 | shicy | this card have never worked :( |
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| 23:16.20 | shicy | only with vesa... |
| 23:16.24 | shicy | and sisimedia |
| 23:16.39 | moof2 | so you have used that second driver? |
| 23:16.52 | moof2 | under which operating system? |
| 23:16.58 | jelly-home | shicy: you could poke that bug report again and ask for the out-of-xorg-tree xf86-video-sisimedia to be packaged if possible |
| 23:17.03 | shicy | mageia, arch, manjaro |
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| 23:17.40 | jelly-home | a crappy 3rd party driver with native res is probably better than vesa and xga res |
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| 23:18.08 | moof2 | shicy, was the resolution ok with sisimedia? |
| 23:18.23 | shicy | 1280x800 with refresh rate 60 Hz |
| 23:18.51 | moof2 | is that the max using that driver? and is that resolution what you want? |
| 23:19.02 | shicy | that's the best resolution ever achieved with sis 671 |
| 23:19.12 | Trek00 | shicy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15190 |
| 23:19.23 | moof2 | oh ok |
| 23:19.33 | moof2 | so, it's acceptable? |
| 23:20.07 | shicy | it's definitely acceptable ;) |
| 23:20.10 | jelly-home | Trek00: that is indeed the driver the faster moving distros seem to be using |
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| 23:20.49 | jelly-home | Trek00: and the one shicy is referencing |
| 23:21.25 | moof2 | so other than vesa, there are two drivers for this card? |
| 23:21.58 | jelly-home | just one working, video-sis doesn't support it |
| 23:22.06 | mmnicolas | wow, http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2013-May/036222.html |
| 23:22.09 | jelly-home | afaiui |
| 23:22.16 | mmnicolas | updated last month |
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| 23:25.40 | shicy | "sis" doesn't work, "vesa" works, but "sisimedia" is the best. i'll join http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741... |
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| 23:26.17 | shicy | why "sisimedia" isn't in repositories? |
| 23:26.36 | jelly-home | shicy: it's new. |
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| 23:26.49 | jelly-home | too new, and out of xorg tree. |
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| 23:27.47 | jelly-home | if you read that thread on the list, xorg people themselves have not agreed on how to add support in a sane manner |
| 23:28.00 | shicy | oh, thanks ;) |
| 23:28.22 | shicy | i didn't read whole conversation... |
| 23:28.43 | shicy | i hope that driver would be soon in repositories :) |
| 23:29.02 | moof2 | does that influence things like where the driver is placed in the filesystem, how configuration information is taken from the config file? or the content of the driver itself? |
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| 23:29.24 | jelly-home | shicy: unlikely unless you show show interest for it in debian's bug tracking system |
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| 23:30.04 | jelly-home | and point to the http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2013-May/036262.html thread |
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| 23:33.00 | mmnicolas | yea that would be nice |
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| 23:33.36 | mmnicolas | otherwise you can use http://snapshot.debian.org and live like in the ol' days |
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| 23:53.02 | LaptopBrain | ive configured my rsyslog.conf as specified in the man page to push log messages for auth.* to a different host, where port 514 is supposedly open |
| 23:53.27 | LaptopBrain | its not working, how can i see if the debian machine sending the syslog entries is actually trying to send them? |
| 23:53.40 | LaptopBrain | the debug output from -dn isnt really readable by me |
| 23:53.49 | LaptopBrain | e.g. unintelligible babble |
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