| 00:00.35 | moof2 | what would be the purpose of it if it's unintelligable? perhaps instead of attacking it, you could learn to read it |
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| 00:01.16 | dekiss | can I remove from top of the iceweasel the topic of the webpage? |
| 00:02.10 | moof2 | the topic of a page you wrote? sure |
| 00:02.41 | dekiss | gys you should update apache and nginx packages asap |
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| 00:02.49 | dekiss | nginx is 1.2.1 :S |
| 00:03.18 | moof2 | dekiss, wheezy will never get new features or new versions of anything |
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| 00:03.38 | dekiss | how can I install newest version of nginx on debian 7? I must compile the source code? |
| 00:03.50 | dekiss | moof2, what is wheezy? |
| 00:04.06 | moof2 | debian 7 |
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| 00:04.23 | dekiss | why? |
| 00:04.42 | themill | dpkg: tell dekiss about stable |
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| 00:05.55 | dekiss | so back to my question |
| 00:05.59 | dekiss | how can I install newest version of nginx on debian 7? I must compile the source code? |
| 00:06.10 | moof2 | yeah |
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| 00:07.08 | magyar | hi, is there an iceweasel 21 for wheezy? |
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| 00:07.14 | jelly-home | LaptopBrain: inspect the network traffic. |
| 00:07.16 | themill | dpkg: tell magyar about mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:08.16 | dekiss | thanks |
| 00:08.27 | LaptopBrain | jelly-home: with pcap or something? |
| 00:09.13 | jelly-home | LaptopBrain: yes. tcpdump -ni eth0 port 514, or whatnot, both at the remote and the local side |
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| 00:10.03 | themill | dekiss: you could try backporting the package from unstable; /msg dpkg ssb. There's a chance that a package you make like that will work, or it might eat your firstborn |
| 00:10.28 | dekiss | hahah |
| 00:10.39 | dekiss | na i ll compile source code |
| 00:10.45 | moof2 | do you have a born? |
| 00:11.00 | dekiss | just im not sure if 1.5.1 nginx is good for production or I should go with 1.4.1 |
| 00:11.11 | dekiss | no |
| 00:11.16 | dekiss | u? |
| 00:11.34 | moof2 | no... no movie characters here |
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| 00:12.09 | LaptopBrain | is there a way to reinstall a core package, without having to uninstall it first? |
| 00:12.18 | LaptopBrain | i think libuuid1 may be corrupted, and i want to reinstall it via apt |
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| 00:12.29 | LaptopBrain | but i cant use apt-get remove, as it screams loudly that it will break my system |
| 00:12.32 | themill | LaptopBrain: aptitude reinstall $package; You can use debsums to check this |
| 00:12.39 | LaptopBrain | thanks themill |
| 00:12.39 | magyar | thank you themill, that worked out good |
| 00:12.41 | themill | dpkg: tell LaptopBrain about debsums |
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| 00:12.47 | themill | magyar: no worries |
| 00:12.54 | moof2 | get the .deb (maybe it's in /var/cache/apt/archive) and use dpkg -i (that file) |
| 00:15.57 | LaptopBrain | mmmmm, i like debsums. |
| 00:16.07 | LaptopBrain | i think i might run this through grep -v on a nightly and mail it myself |
| 00:17.21 | LaptopBrain | looks good though, the only two failed files are two config files i changed myself (that i really shouldnt have) ... libuuid1 is fine. thanks themill :) |
| 00:17.59 | dekiss | http://wiki.nginx.org/Install#Official_Debian.2FUbuntu_packages |
| 00:18.08 | dekiss | here it says Append the appropriate stanza to /etc/apt/sources.list. The Pgp page explains the signing of the nginx.org released packaging. |
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| 00:18.25 | dekiss | what this means :S what should I add in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:19.01 | themill | dekiss: why exactly do you want the latest nginx that isn't even good enough to make it into debian's testing release? |
| 00:19.25 | dekiss | im not sure man |
| 00:19.29 | dekiss | but I will install anyway |
| 00:19.38 | themill | don't bother then... save yourself (and us) the hassle |
| 00:19.46 | dekiss | I want to check it whats new etc |
| 00:19.54 | dekiss | no I will install sry |
| 00:19.59 | dekiss | any help will be apritiated |
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| 00:21.45 | themill | dekiss: if you want to know what's new, you read the documentation: http://nginx.org/en/CHANGES-1.4 |
| 00:24.30 | dekiss | no I want to check new version |
| 00:24.45 | dekiss | dude |
| 00:25.39 | dekiss | I hate to have this conversation but as you insist themill - http://nginx.org/en/CHANGES-1.4 go here and check changes for 1.4.1 |
| 00:25.51 | dekiss | you will see there is major security fix for buffer overflow |
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| 00:26.08 | dekiss | now you suggesting me to work on old vulnerable server? WHY DUDE? |
| 00:26.09 | themill | dekiss: you'll see that the vulnerability doesn't exist in the packages in debian |
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| 00:26.21 | dekiss | themill, how you mean? |
| 00:26.22 | themill | please read the actual changelog entry you pointed me to |
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| 00:26.28 | dekiss | I did |
| 00:26.35 | themill | then try again... |
| 00:26.56 | dekiss | hah |
| 00:27.03 | dekiss | omg what an attitude |
| 00:27.03 | dekiss | :D |
| 00:27.08 | dekiss | ok nevermind :) |
| 00:27.15 | themill | !sns |
| 00:27.15 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 00:27.19 | dekiss | you know all are not stupid arround you :) |
| 00:27.31 | dekiss | ok ok |
| 00:27.33 | dekiss | have fun :) |
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| 00:27.40 | themill | ^^ that and "I can't be bothered reading" and the attitudes that we get bored with around here |
| 00:28.20 | dekiss | you can't admit it has security fix can't you |
| 00:28.26 | dekiss | it is not that hard dude ;) |
| 00:28.38 | themill | dekiss: you still haven't read that changelog entry |
| 00:28.53 | dekiss | or bother explaining to me as new debian user how in debian old version don't have that security issue |
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| 00:29.04 | MachinaeWolf | Everything is behaving oddly since I upgraded to testing. Conky is disappearing easily and my screen notifications are being laggy and so is my script to control moc from outside the terminal :( |
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| 00:29.09 | dekiss | because hell no I won't install something that is old and vulnerable |
| 00:29.28 | themill | dekiss: right... precisely which vulnerability are you worried about here? |
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| 00:30.25 | dekiss | I already told you pls read what I write.. at least |
| 00:30.41 | dekiss | and you tell me to read entirely :) btw I have read that changelog.. |
| 00:30.47 | dekiss | but ok man |
| 00:30.54 | dekiss | have your fun im out of this converstaion |
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| 00:31.14 | dekiss | I will not act smart like you |
| 00:31.17 | dekiss | have fun :) |
| 00:31.29 | moof2 | dekiss, based on my observation of your behavior, (1) you tend to be slippery when asked to read stuff presented to you in order that you might learn something, and you have also claimed that you know about things that on further observation turns out you don't. last, you claim to want to learn about stuff, but when presented with opportunities to learn, you haven't taken any |
| 00:31.41 | themill | dekiss: Which bit of "the bug had appeared in 1.3.9" are you missing? |
| 00:32.01 | themill | ,version nginx --release stable |
| 00:32.02 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2 |
| 00:32.15 | themill | dekiss: last time I looked 1.2.1 was less than 1.3.9. That bug is not in the debian package. |
| 00:32.39 | dekiss | themill, some angel didnt fell from sky to tell me versions before 1.3.9 didn't had that issue |
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| 00:32.49 | dekiss | I see guys who act smart sry :S |
| 00:32.58 | dekiss | instead of helping |
| 00:32.59 | themill | dekiss: it's in the changelog ffs |
| 00:33.07 | dekiss | I am not sure why you are here |
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| 00:33.17 | themill | dekiss: Please stop arguing needlessly and actually read things |
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| 00:39.29 | moof2 | where is the package cache located? |
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| 00:40.33 | MachinaeWolf | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:41.09 | moof2 | so apt-get update (not install) affects that dir in some way? |
| 00:41.17 | berserkr | hi all. some of you knows something of pixbuf? i can't find anyone who knows of that! ;( |
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| 00:41.26 | themill | moof2: "package cache" is a poorly defined term |
| 00:41.59 | moof2 | I don't doubt that... so when I do apt-get update, |
| 00:42.00 | epsilon | apt-get update will download deb files in that dir and install them |
| 00:42.36 | themill | moof2: you are probably looking for /var/cache/apt/*cache.bin |
| 00:42.40 | mumpitze1 | epsilon: why would an "update" do this? |
| 00:42.56 | themill | epsilon: that's the one thing that "update" definitely doesn't do |
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| 00:43.13 | epsilon | ehh s/update/[upgrade|install]/g |
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| 00:44.39 | moof2 | themill, apt-get update throws this: E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
| 00:45.04 | themill | can you pastebin the entire output? |
| 00:45.06 | moof2 | any help in figuring out what's wrong? |
| 00:45.27 | moof2 | yes, please hold on a sec |
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| 00:47.33 | epsilon | and a paste of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:50.31 | moof2 | http://pastie.org/8007315 |
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| 00:51.29 | themill | moof2: those deb lines for security.d.o are wrong |
| 00:51.33 | themill | dpkg: tell moof2 about wheezy sources.list |
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| 00:53.22 | moof2 | themill, is that the only thing you see wrong? |
| 00:53.40 | moof2 | would that cause what's happening now? |
| 00:53.46 | themill | yes |
| 00:53.46 | epsilon | fix it and try again |
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| 00:54.17 | converge | chromium and iceweasel seams to not load the css file of some sites like facebook, does someone knows why ? |
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| 00:59.56 | moof2 | nope, didn't solve the problem |
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| 01:02.00 | epsilon | apt-cache clean and apt-get update? |
| 01:02.16 | srruby | I'm trying to understand how I ended up in "Jessie". /etc/debian_version is "jessie/sid" However, my sources.lst only mentions wheezy. ps. I commonly do apt-get dist-upgrade . How can I revert to squeeze ? |
| 01:02.31 | themill | moof2: perhaps you could pastebin your sources.list and the full output again |
| 01:02.43 | moof2 | sure. |
| 01:03.04 | srruby | I meant that I want to be in wheezy. |
| 01:03.31 | moof2 | http://pastie.org/8007353 |
| 01:03.38 | Luticus | srruby do you have testing in your sources anywhere? |
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| 01:03.46 | epsilon | and check your disk isn't full where /var is located |
| 01:04.13 | themill | do you have an /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*/.list? |
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| 01:04.30 | themill | err.. *.list |
| 01:04.49 | srruby | Luticus: No mention of testing in sources.lst |
| 01:04.49 | themill | srruby: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy apt libc6 perl dpkg; apt-cache policy"? |
| 01:05.10 | moof2 | themill, I renamed that thing that came from apt-spy in order to disable it |
| 01:05.39 | srruby | pastebin |
| 01:05.40 | themill | moof2: the output you pasted is not consistent with the sources.list you pasted. I'm trying to understand why |
| 01:05.56 | srruby | \pastebin |
| 01:06.01 | themill | dpkg: tell srruby about paste |
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| 01:06.44 | moof2 | got it... it's inconsistant because I put the apt-get update in a file the first time... didn't update it the second time |
| 01:07.27 | srruby | http://paste.debian.net/8532/ |
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| 01:09.11 | moof2 | http://pastie.org/8007366 > should be consistant now |
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| 01:09.58 | Trek00 | moof2: the strange thing is that it search main/binary-x86-64/Packages that do not exist (it is binary-amd64) eve if you are on i386! |
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| 01:10.38 | themill | moof2: did you add a foreign arch? |
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| 01:10.44 | moof2 | hmm. ok, so a little history is in order (yes, I did) |
| 01:11.07 | themill | so x86-64 isn't an arch name; you need to remove it and then add amd64 if that's what you want |
| 01:11.35 | themill | srruby: see all those "sid" lines? welcome to sid! |
| 01:11.45 | moof2 | so, this began about 2 weeks ago as a machine that I had running a long time ago, and at last count was running lenny. |
| 01:11.46 | Trek00 | moof2: output of dpkg --print-architecture? |
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| 01:12.31 | moof2 | so, I upgraded lenny -> squeeze and squeeze -> wheezy, and then tried to compile ardour |
| 01:12.45 | themill | "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" would be more relevant here |
| 01:12.45 | Trek00 | moof2: also --print-foreign-architectures |
| 01:12.49 | srruby | themill: Yep I see the sid lines. Is there any way to revert to wheezy? |
| 01:13.06 | themill | srruby: restore from your backups... downgrades are not supported at all |
| 01:13.25 | srruby | themill: backups ???!!! :) |
| 01:13.26 | moof2 | that compile borked on an assembly, and when asking about that, was told it was trying to assemble for the wrong arch |
| 01:13.55 | moof2 | so... I added the new arch, and if I remember correctly, it didn't get any packages |
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| 01:14.40 | Luticus | if you can figure out what packages you're on sid with you can use something like synaptic which has a force version option in it to roll back to the previous package |
| 01:15.25 | themill | when it's 1/3 of your packages, you're not going to successfully do that |
| 01:15.43 | Luticus | that's true |
| 01:15.53 | moof2 | now, you guys want me to run some commands... |
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| 01:16.46 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 01:16.51 | gnarface | restrains himself from suggesting commands |
| 01:16.54 | srruby | I'm really surprised at this behaviour. It looks like apt upgraded me on its own. I would think apt would not go to jessie if sources.lst doesn't mention it! |
| 01:16.54 | elkingrey | There are certain programs I run from time to time that work perfectly fine without port forwarding. But they help secure the network or work better when I can act as host and port forward them. Can somebody explain to me exactly what the security risk is in opening up incoming ports in my firewall? Assuming a cracker knew exactly at my ip address that Port **** were open, what could he actually do with that? How is an |
| 01:16.54 | elkingrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.05 | lenswipe | I need help - I'm on debian wheezy and everything I play with flash player is higher pitched than usual |
| 01:17.06 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
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| 01:18.13 | moof2 | dpkg --print-architecture: i386; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures: x86-64 |
| 01:18.14 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, moof2 |
| 01:18.39 | lenswipe | please help |
| 01:18.47 | lenswipe | moof2, oh was that for me? |
| 01:19.08 | moof2 | no, I'm asking people about something |
| 01:19.13 | lenswipe | oh ok |
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| 01:19.16 | Trek00 | elkingrey: if the program that listen to that open port is bugged, a cracker can exploit this to take the same privileges of the program, so never run programs as root if they listen to a port |
| 01:19.25 | gnarface | elkingrey: no open ports are secure. the point about only opening *some* ports is that then you only have to secure and monitor those ports, instead of ALL of them. |
| 01:19.41 | themill | moof2: so there you go -- remove that non-existent foreign arch and all is solved. |
| 01:19.45 | Trek00 | moof2: x86-64 do not exist; it is called amd64 under debian |
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| 01:20.14 | moof2 | ok, cool :) |
| 01:20.31 | themill | srruby: you're not upgraded to jessie, you're upgraded to sid (or some weird mixture of wheezy and sid). It didn't do it on its own, it would only have done it when instructed to "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade". |
| 01:20.57 | Trek00 | moof2: try apt-get update now, we are curious :) |
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| 01:21.07 | moof2 | looks good... running |
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| 01:21.44 | gnarface | themill: that's not entirely true. it can happen from an apt-get install [package] with certain (albeit possibly broken) dependency configurations |
| 01:22.13 | rgr | of course open ports can be secure. It depends to whats on the host side allowing the access. to say all open ports are insecure is akin to saying all computers are insecure. while "theoretically corect" it servers no purpose and is scare mongering. |
| 01:22.41 | moof2 | it completed, |
| 01:22.47 | gnarface | rgr: sorry i meant to say no open ports are inherently secure. especially not when compared to closed ports. |
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| 01:23.06 | elkingrey | Trek00: Okay, thank you! That helps clear things up. So, how much damage could be done is totally dependent on the USER that runs the program? So, say my main user is X and 95% of the stuff I do on my computer is with X, maybe for this one program I should create a special user Y and that way if the program is attacked it's limited to Y user? |
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| 01:23.15 | moof2 | anything you'd like to know? |
| 01:23.23 | gnarface | rgr: his initial statement that he could increase network security by opening some ports marked a specific misunderstanding of what's going on i was trying to correct, perceptually |
| 01:23.32 | themill | gnarface: that's not going to upgrade base-files. |
| 01:23.44 | elkingrey | gnarface: Okay, thank you for that! Do you have any links, or something I can look up to better understand how to monitor ports for security's sake? |
| 01:23.50 | gnarface | themill: ah. i wasn't aware that his had. |
| 01:23.54 | moof2 | thanks for finding the problem :) |
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| 01:24.53 | gnarface | elkingrey: no specific links off the top of my head but i know you'll probably want to familiarize yourself with tcpdump and snort and iptables |
| 01:25.04 | Trek00 | elkingrey: there is a second level of risk, if the program is exploited to the local user, then some other bugs (that are accessible only by local) can be used to gain more privileges |
| 01:25.22 | srruby | themill: OK. I'm having a problem with my wireless card on jessie. I need (apparently) iwlwifi-3160-6.ucode, iwlwifi-7260-6.ucode http://paste.debian.net/8533/ |
| 01:25.36 | gnarface | elkingrey: (those programs all come with native documentation when you install them you can just read the man pages and extra info in /usr/share/doc/[package]) |
| 01:25.52 | Trek00 | elkingrey: but creating more users to separate the risk is always a good thing(tm) |
| 01:25.58 | srruby | How do I get rid of "sid" packages ? |
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| 01:26.17 | elkingrey | gnarface, Trek00: Thanks again! |
| 01:26.18 | themill | srruby: you can't. I wasn't really joking when I said restore a backup |
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| 01:26.42 | srruby | themill: I'm stuck with sid packages forever? |
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| 01:27.13 | srruby | themill: Can I convert the sid packages to jessie ? |
| 01:27.37 | moof2 | srruby, the problem is downgrades aren't supported and so for the most part are not possible |
| 01:27.38 | Trek00 | moof2: I was searching an exclamation on english but I can't find, so hippiaooiaie! :) |
| 01:27.57 | regorianer | someone has a good understand of the gpl licence ? |
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| 01:28.31 | gnarface | elkingrey: no problem. also programs like munin and cacti are good for general graphing of monitoring data |
| 01:28.34 | moof2 | regorianer, mostly, I know it's triggered when someone distributes a binary compiled from gpled source |
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| 01:29.10 | themill | srruby: you could change your sources.list to point to "jessie" rather than "sid" and eventually you would end up with a jessie system rather than a sid system. That might take a few months and you'll be running jessie not wheezy at that point. |
| 01:29.19 | moof2 | also my knowledge is just about gplv2, the only one I've read... and IANAL |
| 01:29.46 | regorianer | when i use the results of a program under the GPLv2 which offers for example a socket to connect to (for getting the events) and a file where i can get data from. when i use these both interfaces TITHOUT doing any changes on the code of the GPLv2 tool, can i let my code closed ? |
| 01:29.52 | srruby | themill: The strange thing is that sources.lst doesn't mention jessie at all. |
| 01:30.02 | themill | srruby: I know. It mentions sid. |
| 01:30.13 | themill | srruby: this isn't really strange at all... |
| 01:30.29 | regorianer | lets say that my "code" is a program itself, only connecting via api, or reading files |
| 01:30.34 | srruby | themill: My sources.lst does only has wheezy. |
| 01:31.09 | themill | srruby: did you create an /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list file? Your apt has been given sid sources -- the output you pastebinned earlier shows that. |
| 01:31.20 | Trek00 | regorianer: yes you can, your closed core must not linked (compiler linking) with gpl sources |
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| 01:31.46 | Trek00 | regorianer: but you can use them, executing, reading outputs etc |
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| 01:31.54 | themill | regorianer: #gnu might be a better place to ask btw |
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| 01:32.18 | moof2 | or #fsf? |
| 01:32.39 | wolfmitchell | It seems that the 3.x kernel that is on apt-get has a problem with my USB devices... |
| 01:32.42 | gnarface | i'd assume groklaw or the eff's website has a whole FAQ .... |
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| 01:33.08 | srruby | themill: I see that sources.list.d references sid. Shall I remove the offending file??? Its called sid.list |
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| 01:33.24 | Trek00 | regorianer: if you want also link your closed source with opensource parts, then they must be licensed as Lgpl |
| 01:33.29 | moof2 | it's also not too hard to read |
| 01:33.58 | regorianer | Trek00: yes but this is when i use libs under the gpl |
| 01:34.02 | regorianer | for that the lgpl exist |
| 01:34.12 | regorianer | the only thing was the question about sockets |
| 01:34.20 | regorianer | i guess thats one part agpl was made for |
| 01:34.22 | Trek00 | using only the output is not regarding licensing |
| 01:34.28 | regorianer | but most things arent under the agpl |
| 01:34.32 | Trek00 | regorianer: agpl is different |
| 01:34.39 | wolfmitchell | when I plug them in, I get some errors about the device not responding on certain addresses |
| 01:34.46 | regorianer | agpl say that i have to publish when i use socket isnt it ? |
| 01:34.46 | wolfmitchell | although the 2.6 kernel orks fine |
| 01:35.02 | Trek00 | regorianer: gpl is only related to linking, not using |
| 01:35.14 | regorianer | yeah well than i am fine :) |
| 01:35.18 | regorianer | that sounds great |
| 01:35.44 | Trek00 | regorianer: agpl says, as I know, that you should put a download link for the source code even if you don't redistribute it but only if you use it |
| 01:36.02 | gnarface | regorianer: here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html |
| 01:36.04 | regorianer | yeah sth like this |
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| 01:36.47 | regorianer | thx for the help Trek00 |
| 01:36.49 | gnarface | regorianer: now that i think about it a tiny bit harder, i'm certain that gnu.org holds all the answers you desire |
| 01:37.10 | wolfmitchell | aand networking does not work, either |
| 01:37.12 | regorianer | gnarface: i read it multiple times |
| 01:37.14 | moof2 | !kde |
| 01:37.15 | dpkg | KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE . |
| 01:37.20 | regorianer | didnt understand the "linking" effect, but now |
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| 01:37.40 | regorianer | because, well english is not my language, but i understand an API also als "linking" |
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| 01:37.49 | gnarface | regorianer: ah. yea. they mean compiler linking, not HTML <A> tags |
| 01:37.50 | regorianer | but by the word "compiler" linking it seems different |
| 01:37.58 | Trek00 | regorianer: connect to a socket is like connect to a web server, and a gpl web server does not require a gpl browser |
| 01:38.26 | regorianer | yeah i think i got it |
| 01:38.51 | regorianer | with the web, most things were clear, but this is more abvious than having internal socket communication |
| 01:39.02 | regorianer | also web p80 also is a socket |
| 01:39.24 | moof2 | it's installing packages :) |
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| 01:40.03 | simply | Hi, i have gnome-desktop package files in my local apt directory. I saved them before Wheezy was stable release. If i install it over Wheezy stable (console system) then i update the system, will any old files related to gnome-desktop be updated ? |
| 01:40.45 | Trek00 | regorianer: keep separated the source codes and you will never get a licensing problem :) |
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| 01:41.18 | moof2 | well. never is a really stong word |
| 01:41.36 | Trek00 | yes it is too late for me |
| 01:41.38 | simply | what im doing is, installing Wheezy stable to new PC, taking gnome-desktop files from the testing-Wheezy. |
| 01:41.59 | moof2 | Trek00, thanks for your curiousity before |
| 01:42.11 | Trek00 | may be the words will be autogenerated randomly since now :) |
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| 01:42.53 | moof2 | you need monkeys and typewriters for that |
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| 01:43.30 | srruby | Thanks everybody for your help. |
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| 01:44.02 | Trek00 | moof2: my hands actually can emulate a monkey well :) |
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| 01:45.19 | Trek00 | well, good bye and good debian to everyone! |
| 01:45.21 | regorianer | Trek00: that indeed i do |
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| 02:06.38 | simply | hello ? |
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| 02:07.05 | gnarface | simply: just ask |
| 02:07.11 | simply | i have Wheezy testing installed. Do i have to re-install it or apt-get update and upgrade is enough ? |
| 02:07.37 | gnarface | simply: do it like this: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:07.59 | simply | what is dist-upgrade please ? |
| 02:08.03 | gnarface | simply: also make sure your sources.list refers to all lines as 'wheezy' instead of 'testing' |
| 02:08.28 | gnarface | simply: dist-upgrade is just like upgrade except it will not stop short of uninstalling/replacing old stuff that is blocking the upgrade |
| 02:10.27 | simply | another Q : i already have Wheezy-stable installed on my PC (console-only). I have all the required gnome-desktop *.deb packages i saved at the time of wheezy testing |
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| 02:10.57 | nmschulte | Is there a utility that allows you to see if files in a git repository's working tree have changed compared to the stage? Similar to this plugin for git: https://github.com/airblade/vim-gitgutter |
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| 02:11.13 | nmschulte | That is, I want that same sort of integration, but for something like coreutils' ls command. |
| 02:11.20 | simply | gnarface: if i install this gnome-desktop over Wheezy-stable console , is it ok ? Then i do the update ? |
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| 02:13.10 | gnarface | simply: uh... i wouldn't. i'd recommend just letting apt do the work. are you short on bandwidth or something? why do you want to run old testing gnome debs on a new stable install? |
| 02:13.58 | simply | i just wanted to speed up things, but ok |
| 02:14.58 | gnarface | simply: the new wheezy stable gnome debs will be downloaded completely anyway. apt doesn't diff files and directories on the fly like rsync. it would not speed anything up except possibly your impending demise from a stress-induced heart attack or brain aneurism |
| 02:16.06 | simply | ok :) |
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| 02:24.37 | moof2 | my arch command says x86-64, I was told earlier this isn't an arch debian knows (it's really called amd64)... is there something I can do to get it to say the right thing(which right now is i386)? |
| 02:26.22 | themill | moof2: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 02:26.57 | moof2 | that should say i386 (unless soething changed...) |
| 02:27.35 | Arrowmaster | no it shouldnt |
| 02:27.41 | moof2 | it does tho. |
| 02:27.46 | moof2 | just checked |
| 02:27.46 | gnarface | moof2: my arch command says x86_64 too. i suspect you should just avoid using the arch command for whatever you were using it for. it clearly doesn't do what either you or i think it should |
| 02:27.49 | themill | moof2: what's wrong with that? |
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| 02:28.02 | Arrowmaster | are you running a 32bit userspace on a 64bit kernel? |
| 02:28.11 | atula | after upgrading to debian 7, my python pip doesn't work anymore |
| 02:28.20 | atula | pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: |
| 02:28.22 | atula | any idea? |
| 02:28.33 | moof2 | originally I installed this machine using i386 userland |
| 02:28.37 | themill | "arch" gives you the "machine hardware name" which is not the same as the debian packaging architecture |
| 02:28.54 | gnarface | moof2: use "dpkg --print-architecture" and "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" |
| 02:28.58 | atula | so on one machine, grub died… on another machine my python stuff are all messed up. what's the deal debian 7? |
| 02:29.55 | moof2 | oh ok, yeah, it;s an athlon amd64x2 |
| 02:31.57 | gnarface | atula: my guess is that in the second case, you manually installed an unsupported version of python before upgrading (which subsequently hosed the upgrade) |
| 02:32.13 | dondelelcaro | atula: for the grub question, you'll have to give us more details |
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| 02:32.15 | atula | gnarface, no. that's the thing, I did nothing special here |
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| 02:32.43 | atula | dondelelcaro, I solved the grub problem… another long story… but I had /boot on raid-1 /dev/md* |
| 02:32.47 | atula | but for python |
| 02:32.53 | atula | it's just a vm I use for development |
| 02:32.58 | atula | never install anything special on it |
| 02:33.01 | dondelelcaro | atula: are you using python modules not packaged in Debian? what precisely are you doing with it? |
| 02:33.01 | gnarface | atula: hmm. how sure are you of that. i've upgraded squeeze to wheezy on almost 50 computers so far across a range of hardware manufacturing spanning from 1998 to 2012 |
| 02:33.03 | atula | I run all my environment with virtualenv |
| 02:33.12 | gnarface | atula: (and so far no python problems with even one) |
| 02:33.21 | atula | well, you are a lucky man/woman |
| 02:33.29 | atula | upgraded twice… both with problem :( |
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| 02:33.40 | atula | although the grub one was more severe |
| 02:33.46 | themill | atula: you're going to have to provide details about your python problem if you want help with it |
| 02:33.59 | atula | themill, what information do you need? |
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| 02:34.20 | themill | python version, python-pip version, full output, what command produces what error messaage |
| 02:34.35 | themill | anything that is an improvement on "it doesn't work" |
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| 02:34.56 | simply | how do i check on which server which port i'm connected to this irc server (testing SSL ) ? |
| 02:35.27 | atula | themill, http://dpaste.com/1211585/ |
| 02:35.52 | themill | atula: /usr/local/bin/pip <- that's your "nothing special"? |
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| 02:36.14 | atula | again… I just do: apt-get install python pip |
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| 02:36.22 | atula | however debian place it… I don't now |
| 02:36.26 | atula | I could remove it |
| 02:36.31 | dvs | atula: debian NEVER installs to local |
| 02:36.33 | themill | atula: no, Debian never puts things in /usr/local/ |
| 02:36.57 | atula | okay. how do I remedy this? I don't think I did this though. |
| 02:37.01 | dondelelcaro | atula: Debian also doesn't distribute pip |
| 02:37.03 | themill | atula: there's nothing wrong with python-pip in wheezy -- pip --version: pip 1.1 from /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages (python 2.7) |
| 02:37.09 | atula | python-pip doesn't do it? |
| 02:37.45 | dondelelcaro | atula: pithon-pip is it, but it won't be installed into /usr/local/bin/pip |
| 02:38.02 | atula | perhaps when I did python-pip and it didn't work I did sudo easy_install pip |
| 02:38.05 | atula | that might have done it |
| 02:38.16 | themill | urgh |
| 02:38.31 | atula | that's the funny thing, I was never able to run that easy_install command! |
| 02:38.37 | atula | because the same error happened |
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| 02:38.46 | atula | so I guess I didn't do that deliberately.. today |
| 02:39.07 | atula | how do I remove this? |
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| 02:39.20 | atula | WTF???!!! /usr/local/bin/easy_install too |
| 02:39.21 | atula | I don't know |
| 02:39.22 | atula | I |
| 02:39.33 | atula | I am completely pissed now. I've never done this. It's a freakin' VM. |
| 02:39.41 | atula | how did it get to this point? I never know |
| 02:40.01 | themill | I'd be suspicious about you having lots of nasty broken things in /usr/local/lib/python*/ too |
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| 02:40.59 | atula | so can I just do rm -f /usr/local/bin/python? and lib/python? |
| 02:41.29 | themill | It might be worthwhile working out why they are there |
| 02:41.38 | atula | See. When I do it, fine, it's my problem. But when I don't do it and it's appear like I did it… I'm not freakin' annoyed |
| 02:41.46 | atula | that's what I mean |
| 02:41.50 | atula | I don't remember ever doing it |
| 02:41.53 | atula | I am not a clever man. |
| 02:42.01 | atula | I just do apt-get install on stuff I need to stay stable |
| 02:42.15 | atula | and then for stuff that are in python, I do it with a virtualenv |
| 02:42.33 | atula | so it's quite surprising that /usr/local/ has all these random packages |
| 02:42.45 | gnarface | atula: going on your statement that you didn't do any of that... what company are you renting this VM from? I would like to know so i can avoid them forever. |
| 02:43.08 | atula | no no. that's the thing, it's my local vm! |
| 02:43.15 | atula | I just did a ls of the /usr/local/bin: easy_install easy_install-2.6pip pip-2.6 virtualenv virtualenv-2.6 |
| 02:43.17 | atula | just those |
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| 02:43.43 | atula | in /usr/local/lib has: python2.6/ python2.7/ |
| 02:43.49 | dekiss | where is nginx installed in debian? |
| 02:44.18 | themill | atula: the presence of those directories isn't so much of a problem; modules in {site,dist}-packages can be. |
| 02:44.20 | gnarface | atula: the presence of software in /usr/local implies that you've certainly installed non-debian packages (or at least non-official debian packages) either purposefully or accidentally |
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| 02:44.49 | atula | hmmm… I have 10gen mongodb stuff. could they have done that? |
| 02:44.53 | mumixam | dekiss: try `dpkg -L ngix` |
| 02:45.02 | mumixam | nginx* |
| 02:45.33 | gnarface | atula: i don't know. but any time you typed 'make install' is typically the primary culprit |
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| 02:46.02 | atula | gnarface, yeah I try avoiding that also. so you can imagine my frustration here. |
| 02:46.24 | dekiss | mumixam, what is that |
| 02:46.26 | atula | going to look at all the packages instaleld |
| 02:46.35 | dvs | suspects that "easy_install" command that was run. |
| 02:46.38 | atula | line by line I suppose |
| 02:46.41 | gnarface | atula: something you did got non-debian software in there... it may or may not have been actually 'packged' though |
| 02:46.55 | atula | that's it. I'm wiping this VP |
| 02:47.02 | gnarface | atula: that's what i'd do |
| 02:47.06 | atula | I don't want to deal with a time sink like this |
| 02:47.09 | mumixam | dekiss: shows all the files and paths a given packages installs |
| 02:47.25 | atula | all git repos is on my other server anyway |
| 02:47.32 | atula | but it pisses me off that this appeared |
| 02:47.36 | dekiss | it installed dirs and files in etc and usr |
| 02:47.40 | dekiss | where can be binaries? |
| 02:48.06 | dekiss | and in var |
| 02:48.23 | gnarface | atula: a stock debian base install should only take half an hour. next time back up the freshly installed base VM so you have a good starting point next time you hose it (we all hose a few installs now and then accidentally - the difference between a pro and a rookie is a pro is prepared to quickly recover from their own mistakes) |
| 02:48.31 | themill | dpkg: tell dekiss about debian-handbook |
| 02:48.53 | atula | understood. |
| 02:48.58 | atula | thank you, gnarface |
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| 02:49.06 | gnarface | atula: no problem. good luck! |
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| 02:49.56 | mumixam | dekiss: nginx packages installs a bunch of other packages |
| 02:50.38 | mumixam | dpkg -L nginx-full |
| 02:50.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching nginx-full |
| 02:50.50 | mumixam | shows the location of the binary |
| 02:50.58 | mumixam | dpkg -L nginx |
| 02:50.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching nginx |
| 02:51.15 | dekiss | mumixam, thank you man! |
| 02:51.30 | dekiss | is it bad if I run every command with sudo? |
| 02:51.36 | dekiss | and if yes why ? |
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| 02:51.52 | mumixam | i mean you should only run cmds with sudo if they need it |
| 02:52.04 | dekiss | dpkg-query: package 'nginx-full' is not installed |
| 02:52.05 | dekiss | :S |
| 02:52.08 | gnarface | dekiss: its not bad inherently. what's bad is not knowing the difference. |
| 02:52.22 | mumixam | dekiss: dpkg --get-selections | grep nginx |
| 02:52.41 | mumixam | maybe you have nginx-light? |
| 02:52.51 | dekiss | I got nginx and install |
| 02:52.59 | mumixam | thats all? |
| 02:53.02 | dekiss | yes |
| 02:53.11 | mumixam | thats strange is this wheezy? |
| 02:53.22 | nmschulte | I need help installing grub on my machine where my root is encrypted with luks/dm-crypt |
| 02:53.32 | dekiss | yes wheezy |
| 02:53.44 | mumixam | i just ran apt-get install nginx on my whezzy box and it installed the follwing |
| 02:53.46 | mumixam | libgd2-noxpm libjpeg8 libxslt1.1 nginx nginx-common nginx-full |
| 02:53.52 | dekiss | I got one error on install |
| 02:54.03 | mumixam | well thats likely you problem |
| 02:54.07 | mumixam | your* |
| 02:54.10 | dekiss | but I wanted to install nginx 1.4.1 |
| 02:54.15 | nmschulte | when I run grube-probe with: grub-probe -v -t fs / (when chrooted into the /target), it doesn't seem to be doing the dm-crypt goods. |
| 02:54.20 | dekiss | so I edited my sources.list file |
| 02:54.23 | dekiss | and added two things |
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| 02:54.33 | mumixam | what did you add |
| 02:54.41 | themill | *sigh* Haven't we been through this already? |
| 02:54.56 | dekiss | http://wiki.nginx.org/Install#Official_Debian.2FUbuntu_packages |
| 02:55.04 | dekiss | deb http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ squeeze nginx |
| 02:55.05 | dekiss | deb-src http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ squeeze nginx |
| 02:55.13 | dekiss | how to remove nginx? |
| 02:55.32 | mumixam | dekiss: squeeze is not wheezy |
| 02:55.36 | mumixam | those packages will not work |
| 02:55.43 | dekiss | I changed that to wheezy |
| 02:55.46 | nmschulte | themill: I assume that was aimed at me, :) |
| 02:55.59 | mumixam | did you run apt-get update after that? |
| 02:56.02 | themill | nmschulte: not at all |
| 02:56.06 | nmschulte | oh, aha |
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| 02:56.13 | nmschulte | well, we have, :) |
| 02:56.34 | dekiss | im not sure |
| 02:56.38 | dekiss | I think i did before that |
| 02:56.53 | mumixam | you have to do it after you add anything or change anything to the source files |
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| 02:57.00 | mumixam | also its apt-get remove nginx to remove it |
| 02:57.05 | johnfg_ | Are there any known problems/bugs with importing vcards from squeeze to wheezy e.d.s? |
| 02:57.09 | johnfg_ | I know the restore did *not* work for contacts, but I can't get the list.vcf to import cleanly either. |
| 02:57.22 | dekiss | this error I got then I belive now I runned sudo apt-get update and I got same error at the end |
| 02:57.23 | dekiss | W: GPG error: http://nginx.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ABF5BD827BD9BF62 |
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| 02:59.14 | dvs | dekiss: goddam! That answer is right on the website. |
| 02:59.21 | dekiss | so I should just compile after all? |
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| 02:59.33 | dekiss | dvs, ? |
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| 03:00.02 | themill | notes that's not the key that the nginx website claims the repo is signed with |
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| 03:00.43 | mumixam | thats for ubuntu tho? |
| 03:00.51 | dekiss | whats going on now |
| 03:01.06 | dekiss | can't install nginx 1.4.1 on debian this way? |
| 03:01.07 | themill | dekiss: don't play with unverified 3rd party repositories |
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| 03:01.19 | dekiss | mumixam, will you guide me through compiling nginx :DDD |
| 03:01.23 | dekiss | joke |
| 03:01.29 | dekiss | ill try it myself :( |
| 03:01.37 | dekiss | I have close to 0 knowledge in linux |
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| 03:02.28 | mumixam | why do you need 1.4.1 so much? |
| 03:02.38 | mumixam | compared to the version that comes with wheezy |
| 03:03.08 | dekiss | not sure |
| 03:03.10 | themill | mumixam: fyi, we went through this ad nauseum earlier today and there was no answer other than "because" |
| 03:03.11 | dekiss | its too old |
| 03:03.19 | dekiss | and it has BIG security fix man |
| 03:03.26 | dekiss | so thats why :S |
| 03:03.28 | dekiss | aww |
| 03:03.35 | dekiss | I must learn to compile :S |
| 03:03.42 | dekiss | but ye I must learn it at some time |
| 03:03.43 | themill | dekiss: IT DOES NOT. Please actually read things... |
| 03:04.01 | nmschulte | great success!! I had forgotten to mount the unencrypted boot partition during the install, and when I blew it away, I killed the vmlinuzs; grub-probe needs them to make it's goods. |
| 03:04.19 | themill | dpkg, congratulate nmschulte |
| 03:04.20 | dpkg | Woohoo nmschulte, you did it! |
| 03:04.30 | nmschulte | :P |
| 03:04.34 | nmschulte | it's always a good feeling |
| 03:05.33 | nmschulte | I'm pretty sure that not a single other engineer at my place of business uses encryption for their work; I may convince them to do else-wise at some point, I just didn't want to deal with the issue if my laptop was stolen, etc. |
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| 03:05.42 | nmschulte | keep it up folks; thanks. |
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| 03:07.13 | nmschulte | the things I do for debian, :P |
| 03:07.48 | apm1 | more like the "things i do to keep running debian" |
| 03:07.51 | dekiss | nginx: [emerg] bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed (98: Address already in use) |
| 03:07.51 | dekiss | nginx: [emerg] still could not bind() |
| 03:08.00 | dekiss | dejan@Web1:~$ sudo /usr//sbin/nginx |
| 03:08.12 | nmschulte | Well, that too, but I'm submitting bug reports all along the way (legitimate ones...) |
| 03:08.14 | themill | dekiss: exactly what the output says |
| 03:08.30 | dekiss | 4 times nginx: [emerg] bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed (98: Address already in use) |
| 03:08.31 | dekiss | and |
| 03:08.36 | dekiss | nginx: [emerg] still could not bind() |
| 03:08.44 | nmschulte | netstat -anop | grep 98 |
| 03:08.48 | nmschulte | dekiss: ^ |
| 03:08.53 | themill | s/98/80/ |
| 03:08.59 | dekiss | whats this man |
| 03:09.02 | nmschulte | hah, derp |
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| 03:09.14 | dekiss | ? |
| 03:09.32 | nmschulte | execute the command; it will tell you the pid of the process bound to port 809 |
| 03:09.34 | nmschulte | ... |
| 03:09.40 | dekiss | bash: -anop: command not found |
| 03:09.50 | nmschulte | netstat -anop | grep 80 |
| 03:09.53 | dekiss | I need to check port 80? |
| 03:10.11 | nmschulte | some process is already bound to port 80, and so nginx can't bind to it as well. |
| 03:11.32 | dekiss | http://pastie.org/8007671 |
| 03:11.37 | dekiss | there is result nmschulte |
| 03:12.04 | themill | please *read* the output yorself |
| 03:12.05 | dekiss | I had apache installed with debian I have removed it before i install nginx |
| 03:12.09 | nmschulte | Sorry, you will need to execute that as root. |
| 03:12.15 | dekiss | ok |
| 03:12.19 | nmschulte | Try it without the grep as well, as that will show you the headers. |
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| 03:12.41 | nmschulte | from there, you can find the process id (PID), and use ps to find out what binary is executing, and form there it should be obvious what is running |
| 03:13.03 | dekiss | tcp 0 0 192.168.100.2:33686 199.7.55.72:80 ESTABLISHED 4104/iceweasel |
| 03:13.12 | nmschulte | interesting... |
| 03:13.20 | nmschulte | kill that puppy. |
| 03:13.24 | dekiss | what is this now |
| 03:13.30 | dekiss | why iceweasel is using port 80? |
| 03:13.39 | nmschulte | You must have some silly iceweasel plugin that is listening on port 80 |
| 03:13.45 | dekiss | hahah |
| 03:13.47 | dekiss | trojan? |
| 03:13.49 | nmschulte | her derp |
| 03:13.51 | nmschulte | I'm an idiot |
| 03:13.53 | nmschulte | that's a remote port |
| 03:13.55 | dekiss | but I just faken installed debian :( |
| 03:13.56 | klys | aren't those addresses local/remote ? |
| 03:13.57 | nmschulte | keep looking |
| 03:14.00 | nmschulte | klys: bingo |
| 03:14.05 | klys | haha |
| 03:14.12 | nmschulte | I was about to say, he would have to have gksu'd that... |
| 03:14.14 | nmschulte | then it hit |
| 03:14.20 | dekiss | -_- |
| 03:14.21 | dekiss | guyss |
| 03:14.23 | dekiss | :| |
| 03:14.36 | nmschulte | dekiss: keep looking at the output, there will be something on the third column with :80 |
| 03:14.40 | dekiss | tcp 0 0 192.168.100.2:57740 204.93.223.146:80 TIME_WAIT - timewait (14.83/0/0) |
| 03:14.41 | dekiss | tcp 0 0 192.168.100.2:47420 93.184.220.20:80 TIME_WAIT - timewait (14.73/0/0) |
| 03:14.41 | dekiss | tcp 0 0 192.168.100.2:33686 199.7.55.72:80 ESTABLISHED 4104/iceweasel off (0.00/0/0) |
| 03:14.41 | dekiss | tcp 0 0 192.168.100.2:47418 93.184.220.20:80 TIME_WAIT - timewait (13.73/0/0) |
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| 03:14.59 | dekiss | sorry :S |
| 03:15.03 | dekiss | ill pastie |
| 03:15.14 | dekiss | http://pastie.org/8007678 |
| 03:15.24 | dekiss | I have 4-5 lines things who use port 80 |
| 03:15.43 | nmschulte | and by third column I obviously meant fourth column. |
| 03:16.04 | dekiss | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4892/nginx.conf off (0.00/0/0) |
| 03:16.15 | dekiss | nmschulte, I got kicked |
| 03:16.23 | dekiss | I might didint read if you have psoted something |
| 03:16.37 | nmschulte | I said it before you got kicked; nothing oyu missed. You found the culprit right there, good job. |
| 03:16.42 | nmschulte | process 4892 |
| 03:17.27 | dekiss | what is 'culprit'? |
| 03:17.28 | klys | isn't, he trying to run nginx on port 80 |
| 03:17.33 | dekiss | what should I do now man/ :) |
| 03:17.45 | themill | klys: yeah. twice. It's more fun that way. |
| 03:17.48 | dekiss | is nginx already istening on that port? |
| 03:17.58 | dekiss | but I think I haven't runned it already |
| 03:18.12 | dekiss | when I try to run |
| 03:18.13 | dekiss | I got this |
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| 03:18.35 | dekiss | 4 times nginx: [emerg] bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed (98: Address already in use) |
| 03:18.50 | dekiss | nginx: [emerg] still could not bind() |
| 03:18.52 | dekiss | and this |
| 03:19.04 | klys | man start-stop-daemon |
| 03:19.34 | dekiss | oh man what is this now :S |
| 03:19.38 | dekiss | og man |
| 03:19.41 | dekiss | :( |
| 03:19.49 | dekiss | I want nginx! :( |
| 03:19.56 | themill | it's already running... |
| 03:19.59 | dekiss | nginx nginx give it to me |
| 03:20.03 | klys | hehe |
| 03:20.09 | dekiss | look |
| 03:20.14 | dekiss | I haven;t runed file |
| 03:20.19 | dekiss | it is runniong? |
| 03:20.20 | themill | it's already running... |
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| 03:20.28 | dekiss | mog |
| 03:20.28 | dekiss | omg |
| 03:20.33 | dekiss | I am so sorry yeh it is running |
| 03:20.36 | dekiss | nice :) |
| 03:20.43 | dekiss | thank you al lfor information people |
| 03:20.44 | dekiss | thank you |
| 03:20.57 | dekiss | Welcome to nginx! |
| 03:21.01 | dekiss | yaaaaaaa |
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| 03:32.03 | idfjsidjf | . |
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| 03:34.26 | simply | there was apt-get option to find out all the dependent packages that will be installed , without actually installing, like a test mode, do you know the option ? |
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| 03:35.09 | mumpitzel | simply run apt-get install stuff. it will tell you the packages it wants to install and give you a nice y/n prompt |
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| 03:35.37 | simply | lol yes :) |
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| 03:36.18 | themill | or there's "-s" |
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| 03:39.29 | moof2 | so if I want to install 64b compilers, I would add architecture amd64? |
| 03:40.41 | moof2 | ahh, and then aptitude update |
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| 03:44.59 | roasted | hello |
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| 03:55.23 | nmschulte | How can I modify a /conf/conf.d/xxx file in an initrd? |
| 03:55.43 | nmschulte | (I need to create one, because cryptsetup is not being hooked properly or some such) |
| 03:56.16 | nmschulte | Can I simply place a copy in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d ? |
| 03:58.54 | cusco | er |
| 03:59.10 | cusco | /conf/conf.d ? |
| 03:59.42 | nmschulte | cusco: yeah, a file within, in an initrd image |
| 03:59.54 | cusco | ow sorry never messed with that |
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| 04:00.03 | cusco | thought you were on about rc scripts |
| 04:00.24 | cusco | Im sure, tho, that stuff in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d will be loaded |
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| 04:00.58 | cusco | not sue if overwrites other options.. perhaps by the filename, making it the last to load |
| 04:02.18 | nmschulte | Yeah, I believe that will work. |
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| 04:02.35 | nmschulte | I'm going to look at the proper fix first; getting the hooks to do the right thing. |
| 04:03.17 | nmschulte | any ideas on how to update my blkid.tab? |
| 04:03.26 | nmschulte | for some reason, it is incorrect in my initramfs... |
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| 04:18.26 | nmschulte | cusco: fixed it; thanks! |
| 04:18.56 | cusco | ow, for nothing |
| 04:18.59 | cusco | nice done you |
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| 04:27.12 | nmschulte | well shit; somehow my passwords are now fubar, I must have never ran the setup user accounts. how can I simulate that at a real install/boot of debian? |
| 04:28.19 | Some_Person | I keep reading that sftp should support changing your password if it is expired. However, I can't get this to work in debian. Whenever I try to log in through sftp with an account that has an expired password, I just see connection closed |
| 04:28.38 | Some_Person | Any idea why this isn't working? |
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| 04:32.12 | c0deweaver | so, I have a vps on openvz, when I try to set the clock I get permission errors even as root. |
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| 04:34.23 | themill | c0deweaver: you don't have control of things like the clock when you are using openvz. You control neither hardware nor kernel |
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| 04:37.15 | c0deweaver | themill: so email the admin and tell them their clock is off? its hosted where I live (why I got it) and the clock is way off. |
| 04:38.21 | themill | what does "TZ=C date" say? |
| 04:38.51 | c0deweaver | thats blank |
| 04:39.10 | themill | err "TZ=Etc/UTC date" |
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| 04:40.09 | c0deweaver | so if I set it to TZ=country/region it will fix it for my general purpose? |
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| 04:40.38 | roasted | hello friends |
| 04:40.57 | themill | c0deweaver: Well, I was just thinking we should check whether it's a local config issue or the server time is wrong |
| 04:42.08 | roasted | I was reading about Debian KDE 7 earlier and something the post said confused me. he made the comment he expects KDE 4.10 to land quickly. uh? I thought since 4.8 came with wheezy it was locked into 4.8 indefinitely. |
| 04:43.02 | themill | you ar correct |
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| 04:43.05 | klys | close to a day ago there was someone on about backporting 4.10 . |
| 04:44.33 | roasted | I'd love to have 4.10.... |
| 04:45.10 | moof2 | this is brutal... I'm trying to install build-essential:amd64, and it's causing the i386 versions of some of the dependent packages |
| 04:45.11 | c0deweaver | themill: so my TZ should be "TZ=America/Phoenix date" correct? or do I need utc in there |
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| 04:45.44 | c0deweaver | that and it says export before it. |
| 04:45.45 | moof2 | so it's going back n forth between installing and removing stuff |
| 04:46.00 | c0deweaver | moof2: sounds like installing steam. |
| 04:46.22 | klys | moof2: is your system AMD or Intel? (saw your question form earlier) |
| 04:46.23 | themill | c0deweaver: what's the actual output from that command? |
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| 04:46.42 | themill | c0deweaver: running that single command doesn't fix anything but it does give us actual details beyond "my clock is wrong" |
| 04:46.48 | moof2 | it's an amd64x2 |
| 04:46.51 | klys | good. |
| 04:47.05 | roasted | klys: as in someone is building it to possible? |
| 04:47.27 | moof2 | from kinda a long time ago... it was one of the earliest that had hardware virtualization |
| 04:47.33 | themill | roasted: it might happen some time. Nothing is likely to happen until KDE 4.10 actually lands in jessie |
| 04:47.51 | klys | roasted: I think it was just an inquiry. I don't have any way to search the logs at least until iBot stores them at midnight. |
| 04:48.19 | roasted | is 4.9 in Jessie now? |
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| 04:49.29 | themill | no |
| 04:49.34 | somiaj | roasted: no, but I have yet to see full desktop's backported. though the backport system keeps getting bigger. |
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| 04:50.26 | themill | somiaj: there was pretty much all of kde 3.something backported for either etch or lenny. Hmm.. vague memories now. |
| 04:50.27 | somiaj | roasted: again you could try to backport it youself if you really wanted to. (: |
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| 04:50.34 | roasted | hmmmm. I was hoping to get to 4.10 to get the new home run launcher. guess ill have to tolerate kmenu a bit longer. |
| 04:50.49 | somiaj | themill: oh yea, maybe I just only payed attention to gnome. (: |
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| 04:58.45 | Deesl | I was playing around with repositories and managed to foobar the php. Now when I do dpkg --list | grep php, php-common shows up as rc php5-common 5.4.15-1~dotdeb.2 Common files for packages built from the php5 source. How do I go back to the standard squeeze repo? |
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| 05:01.40 | pagios | hello |
| 05:01.41 | pagios | mail: command not found |
| 05:01.57 | pagios | which package incluides that command? i want to send emails only not receive |
| 05:02.24 | Deesl | mailutils |
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| 05:05.40 | themill | pagios: bsd-mailx is a common one to pick |
| 05:06.37 | themill | Deesl: getting rid of all the dotdeb crap is a bit of a pain. Start by removing their repo from your sources.list and then apt-get update. If you don't want their screwy config files, "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" then install the packages you want. |
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| 05:07.07 | Deesl | Sometimes I so much hate debian and miss my Gentoo and FreeBSD boxes |
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| 05:07.55 | themill | Deesl: if you randomly installed crap (source) packages on those unices, you'd be no better off. At least debian tracks what files came from what package |
| 05:08.16 | Deesl | themill: I apologize.. I just got very frustrated.. I am sorry about that comment |
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| 05:08.44 | moof2 | is there something about this multiarch where the default is the original arch for deciding what arch to install for each dep package? |
| 05:09.03 | themill | Deesl: the dotdeb packages are hideous... they're forever making a mess of people's boxes |
| 05:09.31 | themill | moof2: yes hence "--add-*foreign*-architecture" as opposed to the native arch that is already kown |
| 05:09.39 | Deesl | themill: I figured that out.. but unfortunately certain things, like php-fpm is missing on main |
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| 05:10.03 | moof2 | oh, so I screwed up |
| 05:10.16 | themill | Deesl: php-fpm is in stable. |
| 05:10.19 | Deesl | themill: newbie question: is aptitude any better than apt-get and friends in terms of functionality |
| 05:10.40 | themill | Deesl: some things it does better, some things worse. That's why both tools still exist. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 05:10.54 | moof2 | what's the difference in effect between that and adding a nonforeign arch? |
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| 05:11.16 | themill | moof2: you can't add a "non-foreign" arch. There is only one native architecture. |
| 05:11.21 | Deesl | does apt-get and aptitude not maintain separate databases? I mean can they be used together? |
| 05:11.42 | themill | Deesl: "aptitude hold" is the only thing where they don't share a backend. |
| 05:11.54 | Deesl | themill: okay... |
| 05:12.31 | rryoumaa | different logs maybe? |
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| 05:14.25 | moof2 | it looks right... printarch says i386 and foreign-arch says amd64 |
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| 05:14.58 | moof2 | so I didn't screw up there (and couldn't have) |
| 05:15.23 | moof2 | what am I doing wrong? |
| 05:15.55 | moof2 | I'm trying: apt-get install build-essential:amd64 |
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| 05:16.53 | klys | this is new to me: printarch? explain for me. |
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| 05:17.13 | moof2 | I'm not typing the whole thing |
| 05:17.37 | Some_Person | Is it possible to give one group full access to a directory, but prevent another group from deleting files in it (but creating files is still ok)? |
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| 05:17.49 | klys | some |
| 05:18.06 | OpenTokix | Some_Person: I think you need ACL's for that |
| 05:18.17 | klys | nm |
| 05:18.18 | Some_Person | OpenTokix: What are those? |
| 05:18.33 | klys | man attr |
| 05:18.39 | moof2 | I don't think you can differentiate between creating and rming as these are both writing |
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| 05:19.21 | OpenTokix | Some_Person: http://rhce.co/create-and-manage-access-control-lists-acls.html |
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| 05:21.31 | Some_Person | OpenTokix: Can that differentiate between deleting and writing? |
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| 05:22.33 | moof2 | Some_Person, I meant you can't differentiate when you use plain unix permissions without acls |
| 05:22.44 | Some_Person | Oh, ok |
| 05:22.50 | Some_Person | Thank you. I'll look into ACLs |
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| 05:23.02 | klys | you could also set mkdir, cat, and touch binaries there with the sticky bit and give the group perms to execute. |
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| 05:23.31 | themill | you've still got the problem of truncation even if you prevent deletion |
| 05:23.31 | OpenTokix | Some_Person: I am not sure, but if it is possible, ACL's will do the trick |
| 05:24.17 | themill | Some_Person: is allowing them to delete files they have created themselves OK? |
| 05:24.42 | Some_Person | themill: Sure |
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| 05:25.02 | themill | Some_Person: so that's the same as /tmp then -- set the sticky bit |
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| 05:25.27 | Some_Person | themill: sticky bit? |
| 05:25.43 | Some_Person | It's a folder that will be used by multiple users via sftp |
| 05:25.52 | klys | chmod 2000 .plan |
| 05:25.53 | themill | See chmod(1) and look at the modes on /tmp |
| 05:26.04 | Some_Person | sftp seems to obey normal folder permissions |
| 05:26.06 | klys | er, 4000 |
| 05:26.14 | klys | no, 2000 was right |
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| 05:26.48 | moof2 | 4000 is setuid bit |
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| 05:27.06 | Some_Person | so do chmod 2000 on the folder? |
| 05:27.09 | klys | for some reason I thought 2 was unary |
| 05:27.27 | themill | Some_Person: 1777 is more likely what you want. As I said... look at /tmp |
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| 05:35.26 | Some_Person | Argh, I hate permissions |
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| 05:37.33 | Some_Person | For some reason, if I set the permissions to 1777, the sftp client fails to connect (Network error: Software caused connection abort) |
| 05:37.39 | Some_Person | But it works fine if it's 1755? |
| 05:37.47 | Some_Person | I'm confused |
| 05:38.02 | themill | is the ~/.ssh/ inside this directory? |
| 05:38.14 | Some_Person | no |
| 05:38.19 | themill | or any other things that ssh might consider to be a config file? |
| 05:38.40 | Some_Person | I've set up ssh to use this dir as chroot for people in a certain group |
| 05:38.48 | Some_Person | it's empty atm |
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| 05:39.41 | themill | I'm not sure how ssh's chrooting works, but that I presume that would mean that .ssh for the logging in user could be inside that dir. sshd doesn't like it when someone else can modify your config |
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| 05:40.10 | Some_Person | themill: The directory is completely empty. Do I need to put something in it for this to work? |
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| 05:43.42 | moof2 | so, how do I make sure apt-get or aptitude finds packages from foreign arch (or "all")? |
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| 05:44.47 | histo | dpkg: tell moof2 about multilib |
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| 05:50.51 | moof2 | histo, there wasn't a multilib... to see what there is, you can send dpkg a listkeys multi |
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| 05:52.29 | AlexLikeRock | i like google , they are with us http://torrentfreak.com/google-pirate-site-blocking-just-leads-to-a-game-of-whac-a-mole-130529/ |
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| 05:52.46 | damo22 | is there a guide on bootstrapping debian to a usb stick and making it bootable? i dont want to use an existing debian installer image i want to install debian to a usb stick |
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| 05:53.51 | klys | alexlikerock: there was some news that GOOG supports a two-state solution in the middle east. |
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| 05:55.49 | Some_Person | I'm not sure that just the sticky bit would work anyway -- how would that allow one group to not delete each other's files, but one group to be able to do so? |
| 05:55.50 | klys | damo22: if you have a bootable kernel, just unpack base.tar.gz from debian-installer onto a usb partition, have the modules all there in /lib, and run grub-install on the usb device. |
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| 05:56.32 | damo22 | klys: thanks |
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| 05:59.12 | moof2 | Some_Person, it's how /tmp does its thing |
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| 06:00.01 | Some_Person | moof2: So how do I set what group gets to delete other people's files, and which one doesn't? |
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| 06:00.57 | moof2 | oh, I didn't jknow you wanted that part... |
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| 06:04.02 | Some_Person | So I guess that means one group needs to be 1777, and the other one needs to be 777? |
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| 06:04.19 | Some_Person | which I probably can't do without ACLs? |
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| 06:05.39 | moof2 | the things that can have permission bits are files, dirs, device nodes |
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| 06:08.47 | damo22 | i think ill just use debootstrap |
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| 06:09.45 | AlexLikeRock | ha ha hha ha http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gbcBYs0ljI0 |
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| 06:25.28 | Giles | Hello, I upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy, and on boot it says "no volume groups found" pvscan, vgscan, and lvscan all report "No volume groups found" |
| 06:25.45 | Giles | What could be wrong? |
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| 06:28.07 | klys | I had a terrible experience with raid5 a number of years ago losing a large amount of data, somehow related to /etc/raid.conf, haven't used raid since. lvm and lvm2 are different thought I hear. |
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| 06:30.45 | Giles | klys: :s |
| 06:31.00 | leku | I have a 32GB SD card that I tried to erase all the files off of. I've deleted all the files but it still says there is only 3.8MB free |
| 06:31.07 | leku | what do I need to do? |
| 06:31.19 | Giles | leku: unmount? |
| 06:31.23 | leku | tried that |
| 06:31.37 | Giles | leku: format? |
| 06:31.42 | leku | was going to do that next :) |
| 06:31.53 | rryoumaa | what did you use to delete? |
| 06:31.59 | leku | xfce filemanager |
| 06:32.05 | rryoumaa | does that have trash/ |
| 06:32.09 | leku | ah |
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| 06:32.12 | leku | fuckin trash bin |
| 06:32.28 | leku | hm that helped a little |
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| 06:32.48 | AlexLikeRock | trash:/ |
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| 06:33.03 | leku | might be a hiddlen trash bin |
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| 06:34.22 | leku | boom |
| 06:34.25 | leku | hidden trash bins |
| 06:34.27 | leku | xfce file manager sucks |
| 06:34.39 | klys | try thunar |
| 06:34.40 | themill | so use a different one. |
| 06:34.53 | leku | i'll just use the shell like old times :) |
| 06:35.15 | leku | btw |
| 06:35.16 | leku | this is Thunar |
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| 06:35.43 | klys | I don't know there seem to be other FM's for android. |
| 06:37.06 | leku | hm now it's not automounting my sd cards |
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| 06:37.11 | leku | what system controls that? |
| 06:37.26 | leku | i may have forgotten to eject the last one |
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| 06:37.59 | klys | when I was using etch there was automount and amd. it might be dcop or something in gnome these days. |
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| 06:41.11 | AlexLikeRock | i like this graphic http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT&reco=1 h ah ah ah ah |
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| 06:43.14 | ArtyG | AlexLikeRock, okay then. |
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| 06:43.47 | AlexLikeRock | mmmm ¬-¬ |
| 06:44.06 | AlexLikeRock | i liked x-D |
| 06:44.14 | ArtyG | Their YTD looks pretty fantastic, but that's all off-topic. |
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| 06:44.55 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I want to build a .deb from source I have. The package has been packaged for Ubuntu already. |
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| 06:46.47 | thechef | arvind_khadri: did you get it through apt-get source? |
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| 06:47.13 | arvind_khadri | thechef, No, I have git cloned it, and there is no .orig.gz.tar |
| 06:48.00 | thechef | arvind_khadri: then you need to get the original file from the upstream source and call it as expected |
| 06:48.09 | klys | arvind_khadri: there might be someone in #debian-mentors |
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| 06:48.41 | arvind_khadri | klys, right, thanks :) thechef |
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| 06:49.17 | arvind_khadri | klys, the channel is invite only |
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| 06:52.41 | jelly-home | arvind_khadri: it's on irc.oftc.net, not this network |
| 06:52.45 | Sebby | hi, i`m trying to integrate Debian 7 into Microsoft Active Directory and i installed samba, winbind krb5 , i`ve joined the domain, i can su from root to oane of active directory users BUT if i try to direct login as AD user it fails (su , you don`t have permission , also sudo..or it saysAuth faild) |
| 06:52.51 | Sebby | anny ideea? |
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| 07:51.34 | rvgate | I'm trying to create a debian package that includes debconf. After installation it does not come up with the installation dialogs from debconf, but works if i do dpkg-reconfigure... How can i make sure i get the debconf dialogs during/after installation aswell? |
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| 07:54.48 | klys | test if the .config script is run or only the .postinst script when doing dpkg -i |
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| 07:56.46 | xxc | hi,there,I want to turn off power of my video card ,It's AMD card,and I just have one video card,any suggest? |
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| 07:58.41 | klys | read up on pci hotplug in /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
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| 08:06.38 | rvgate | klys, for testing, im letting config and postinst create a seperate file each... building now.. lets see what it does after installing |
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| 08:07.16 | subb1 | Hi Debian. |
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| 08:09.46 | Giles | Hi, I am back. I have managed to mount my lvm/mdadm array |
| 08:09.53 | Giles | The transcript is here: http://pastebin.com/y2gC7N0K |
| 08:10.00 | subb1 | My server with Debian squeeze is showing an uptime of 15 hours so I'm guessing it rebooted automatically. I'm seeing it from the logs too. But I can't make it out for sure what made it happen. I'm pasting the relevant /var/log/messages lines here https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5712333. The start of the line which says "Jun 4" is approx the time when the server came back up and the 15 hours uptime count is from then. Could anyone give an insight int |
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| 08:10.01 | subb1 | o this as I can't make a good guess. Thanks! |
| 08:10.19 | Giles | My question is why would this not be happening at boot, how can I make the fix permanent? |
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| 08:10.54 | rvgate | klys, it did not run the config after installation... the postinst worked |
| 08:11.46 | klys | rvgat and you saw something dpkg was doing like configuring <your_package> ? |
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| 08:13.24 | Trewas | subb1: oom killer was invoked (it ran out of memory), but usually that does not lead to reboot |
| 08:13.41 | rvgate | klys, Reading db, unpacking, setting up, processing triggers for ureadahead |
| 08:14.12 | klys | yes, setting up. |
| 08:14.31 | rvgate | klys, i would expect that runs the config file.. |
| 08:15.05 | klys | !config |
| 08:15.05 | dpkg | i guess config is ask me about <conffile>, or to find the name of a CONFIG option from the name of the module, type: find /usr/src/linux/ -name Makefile -exec grep CONFIG {} ; |grep "nameofmodule", or, if you're being pedantic: find /usr/src/linux/ -type f -name Makefile | xargs grep CONFIG | grep modulename |
| 08:15.16 | klys | no... |
| 08:15.20 | klys | !configure |
| 08:15.43 | klys | man dpkg |
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| 08:16.29 | subb1 | Trewas, was apache2 the process oom-killer was trying to kill? |
| 08:16.38 | klys | of course, that doesn't explain all the file in /var/lib/dpkg/info . come to think of it, ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/<your_package>.config |
| 08:16.56 | Trewas | subb1: apparently |
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| 08:17.49 | subb1 | Trewas, ok. I guess oom-killer tries to kill low priority processes right? But in this case could it be becuase apache2 was eating up more memory? |
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| 08:19.13 | Trewas | subb1: it uses some heuristics and tries to guess killing which process will fix the out of memory condition, so it often kills whatever takes the most memory |
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| 08:19.54 | subb1 | great Trewas. Thanks. One more thing. would you take any wild guesses as to why the 'reboot' happened? |
| 08:20.25 | subb1 | Because as I'm aware no one done it by hand. |
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| 08:21.33 | Trewas | subb1: hard to say, but the last lines before new boot messages are about oom-killing apache2, maybe that did not fix oom situation and it went on killing syslog etc etc |
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| 08:23.03 | subb1 | Trewas, thanks mate, well I guess this one I'll never be able to figure out :) good day |
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| 08:26.13 | klys | subb1 a freak reset is usually the result of power shortage. I would check for high levels of disk i/o, etc. |
| 08:26.29 | rvgate | klys, im unsure what to look for within the man pages tbh.. it comes with allot of explanation without examples and troubleshooting |
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| 08:27.10 | klys | I don't think the debian/* files are documented in man dpkg, maybe the debhelper manpages would |
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| 08:28.09 | subb1 | klys, good guess! But I'm unsure how to trace disk i/o stats since the event happened 15 hours ago. |
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| 08:28.49 | subb1 | klys, any tips for that? :) |
| 08:29.08 | klys | subb1: just use less expensive swap or look at upgrading |
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| 08:30.40 | klys | to understand complex problems with sustaining memory allocation on swaps, you would have to reenact |
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| 08:36.12 | subb1 | ok klys. I'll look into it. Your guess seems more probable though since there is no sign of a proper shutdown from the logs. |
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| 08:40.07 | yaf_elec | hi all I have a logitech usb headset. Unfortunatelly neither mic, nor sound seem to work... any idea ? |
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| 08:41.21 | rvgate | yaf_elec, did you plug it in? (sorry.. j/k.. couldnt resist) |
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| 08:42.10 | yaf_elec | rvgate, not funny anyway dude... :P |
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| 08:43.48 | rvgate | yaf_elec, sorry.. didnt sleep well today, ill try better next time :) |
| 08:44.21 | yaf_elec | rvgate, I'm looking forward to it... |
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| 08:50.41 | klys | yaf_elec: I heard linuxhardware.org was taken down. but can you see if the kernel supports your device? |
| 08:51.05 | Sebby | hey , annyone here who knows samba, winbind,krb5,pam ..? |
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| 08:51.44 | yaf_elec | klys, how ? I'm doing a lsusb and I see it, if that's the point... |
| 08:52.13 | klys | I mean, is there a module (kernel device driver) that supports it? |
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| 08:54.24 | yaf_elec | klys, no idea |
| 08:54.58 | klys | yaf_elec: ok mebbe I'l try to look it up. what is the model number? |
| 08:55.42 | yaf_elec | Logitech, Inc. Premium Stereo USB Headset 350 |
| 08:55.58 | yaf_elec | dmesg gives me this: http://pastebin.com/XmWVc8Hv |
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| 09:00.28 | yaf_elec | klys, (I forgot to write your nick before :) |
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| 09:03.06 | klys | all I'm seeing is a bunch of people whining about it. pulseaudio might have or have had a solution. |
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| 09:03.23 | ex-parrot | how do I access the old DPI settings from Squeeze in Wheezy? |
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| 09:06.53 | radiosilence | hey, it doesn't seem like my ~/.gkrc-2.0 or ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini are being read at all |
| 09:07.02 | radiosilence | no matter what i change stuff in there to it doesn't have any effect |
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| 09:07.57 | klys | apt-cache showpkg gnotepad+; apt-cache show libgtk<version> |
| 09:08.21 | klys | all I want is the version |
| 09:09.55 | klys | yaf_elec: don't mean to leave you hangin' see [logitech usb 350 headset linux 2013 pulse] |
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| 09:12.03 | yaf_elec | klys, I 've been googling for the problem for an hour now. I haven't found any answer to it. I also have an analog headset... that doesn't work for me either... |
| 09:12.44 | yaf_elec | hmm sound works there, but not the mic. I'm wondering what kind of configuration do I need to do |
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| 09:13.05 | klys | yaf_elec: I don't know, you might end up having to port some pulseaudio stuff to alsa |
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| 09:13.30 | yaf_elec | what is alsa and what pulseaudio ? |
| 09:13.41 | klys | the analog headset is probably fine with info from lspci -vvv |
| 09:14.23 | klys | !alsa |
| 09:14.25 | dpkg | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:16.03 | bluesm | How can i regulate, the colors on my screen ? |
| 09:16.17 | bluesm | Say I want to have more green, less red. |
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| 09:17.43 | woshty | bluesm: laptop? |
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| 09:18.20 | bluesm | woshty: Yep. |
| 09:18.36 | bluesm | woshty: I mean programatically. |
| 09:18.49 | bluesm | *programmatically |
| 09:19.40 | bluesm | Redshift probably uses that. |
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| 09:23.15 | woshty | bluesm: yeah, redshift should work. or some vendor tools if you are using closed source drivers. I am not certain, what gnome-color-manager does, but it might work as well. |
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| 09:34.22 | petan | can I remount /var on the fly? :P |
| 09:34.27 | petan | or it would break stuff |
| 09:34.35 | petan | I mean umount and mount |
| 09:34.40 | petan | not just -o remount |
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| 09:35.20 | nkuttler | petan: depends on what your box does... |
| 09:35.28 | nkuttler | petan: why do you want to umount it? |
| 09:35.40 | petan | because rootfs is full, and I can't extend it :( |
| 09:35.48 | petan | so I wanted to create separate volume for /var |
| 09:35.58 | petan | and somehow fix it on the fly |
| 09:36.13 | petan | but I guess it's not a best idea :P |
| 09:36.21 | petan | I will just move logs |
| 09:36.31 | petan | they are like 40% of /var |
| 09:36.40 | nkuttler | and configure logrotate |
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| 09:54.27 | hyppias | i want to "resequence" a string with echo: 'echo "xxx yy zzzz" | ....something' would result in "zzzz yy xxx" . I know how to make a regexpr, but what would I use for commandline? grep or something? |
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| 09:54.56 | future28 | Hi everyone. Loving Wheezy with gnome 3 (It was very hard to adapt to gnome 3 initially but I am finding it a lot more productive now!) Anyway, I downloaded the firmware-atheros package before, and restarted my networking. Suddenly, my wireless card had dissapeared and I had no eth0 either. Anyone had similiar issues? |
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| 09:55.48 | future28 | My wireless adaptor is: Atheros AR9002WB-1NG |
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| 09:57.00 | matttttttt | hi |
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| 09:57.44 | klys | goodness, I've seen you before. |
| 09:58.01 | caf | hyppias: sed is a way of executing regexps on the commandline |
| 09:58.02 | matttttttt | why its be default not allowed to run xprograms as root under another user? because of security or because of file rights issues? |
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| 09:59.05 | caf | echo "xxx yy zzzz" | sed -e 's@\([^ ]*\) *\([^ ]*\) *\([^ ]*\)@\3 \2 \1@' |
| 09:59.07 | ChrisH | hyppias: for this number of arguments? then something like awk or sed -r and \3 \2 \1 might work. |
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| 09:59.15 | klys | matttttttt: your user has not authorized root to connect to the display. use xauth or xrdb (iirc.) |
| 09:59.38 | matttttttt | klys: is it ok to permanently allow for a certain user? |
| 09:59.49 | hyppias | caf: thnx :) |
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| 10:00.05 | klys | matttttttt: for root, at least. |
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| 10:00.43 | matttttttt | ok |
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| 10:08.18 | matttttttt | why cant root add a printer? I check the cups.conf , changed it and restarted cups. doesnt work... |
| 10:08.26 | matttttttt | http://hplipopensource.com/node/231 i worked with this |
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| 10:18.58 | boudiccas | matttttttt, , what printer? mas#ke model, etc? |
| 10:19.02 | boudiccas | make |
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| 10:19.37 | matttttttt | boudiccas: why is that important? i cant open the "add printer" dialog |
| 10:19.42 | jvipa5g | Hello. Is there any package oVirt-guest-agent for debian? |
| 10:19.59 | boudiccas | matttttttt, suit yourself, no longer interested |
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| 10:22.10 | matttttttt | adding my non-root user to group lpadmin helped |
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| 10:30.43 | LocutusOfBorg1 | Hi, I have a question for uploading packets on debian master ftp |
| 10:30.46 | LocutusOfBorg1 | anybody free? |
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| 10:31.02 | ksk | LocutusOfBorg1: go ahead |
| 10:31.12 | LocutusOfBorg1 | thanks ksk the problem is just simple |
| 10:31.23 | LocutusOfBorg1 | I'm on ubuntu, and I saw I cannot upload source packages on debian |
| 10:31.28 | LocutusOfBorg1 | I'm a new DM |
| 10:31.37 | LocutusOfBorg1 | I need to know how to upload a package :) |
| 10:31.53 | LocutusOfBorg1 | I usually use dupload on my ubuntu ppas, but I upload only source packages |
| 10:32.00 | LocutusOfBorg1 | should I build for every arch? |
| 10:32.13 | LocutusOfBorg1 | should I setup a debian VM for building them? |
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| 10:33.24 | future28 | Can someone help me with wireless issues? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/14762026/ |
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| 10:36.42 | Coffee- | anyone here a pen tester? |
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| 10:42.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell LocutusOfBorg1 -about mentors |
| 10:42.51 | ChrisH | future28: This looks like an HW issue at first glance. Can you powercycle that wireless device? |
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| 10:43.20 | babilen | LocutusOfBorg1: I would recommend to build in a Debian chroot (e.g. with cowbuilder or sbuild), but you only have to build for one arch. But ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) for further details. |
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| 10:44.37 | LocutusOfBorg1 | babilen: but when a person uploads a package, should upload every arch or just one? |
| 10:44.44 | LocutusOfBorg1 | the other are automatically uploaded^ |
| 10:44.45 | LocutusOfBorg1 | ? |
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| 10:47.00 | babilen | LocutusOfBorg1: Lets take it to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- You upload for one arch and the rest are build on our buildds automatically. |
| 10:47.29 | LocutusOfBorg1 | ack |
| 10:47.37 | Coffee- | ack |
| 10:47.42 | LocutusOfBorg1 | sorry babilen seems to be no activity on mentors |
| 10:47.47 | LocutusOfBorg1 | anyway that was my question |
| 10:48.12 | LocutusOfBorg1 | so I set up a cowbuilder on debian sid and upload on unstable |
| 10:48.18 | jelly | babilen: debian still hasn't switched to discarding/ignoring the uploaders binary build and rebuilding everything? |
| 10:48.25 | jelly | (for every arch?) |
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| 10:51.24 | babilen | jelly: AFAIK (and unfortunately) not, did you hear anything to the contrary? |
| 10:51.45 | babilen | LocutusOfBorg1: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) not here on freenode (along with the other official/development channels |
| 10:51.48 | babilen | ) |
| 10:52.03 | LocutusOfBorg1 | LOL thanks |
| 10:52.59 | babilen | thought he mentioned irc.oftc.net ... but let me mention irc.oftc.net or irc.debian.org again so that you don't forget that the official channels are on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) -- OFTC! ;) |
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| 10:53.52 | jelly | babilen: no, but it seems such an obvious easy fix for misc unclean builds that creep in once a month or three and require rebuilds |
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| 10:54.17 | LocutusOfBorg1 | sorry babilen it is morning here :p |
| 10:54.29 | LocutusOfBorg1 | (1 PM) |
| 10:54.36 | jelly | lunchtime. |
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| 10:55.47 | babilen | jelly: I totally agree - It is a common "huh! why do we do this?", but I am not fighting this fight. |
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| 10:58.43 | talin_ | hmm, syslog-ng or rsyslog? |
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| 11:08.22 | Ponsjuh | is there a way to detect a failing windows share (mounted) and auto remount when it's available again (for example a sudden reboot of the windows machine) |
| 11:08.31 | ChrisH | talin_: depends on your needs. are you setting up a syslog-server? |
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| 11:10.39 | Sebby | hi i have a question: how do i set in debian 7 all users to have same program shocuts on their desktop (shorcuts= links to different programs and folders) |
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| 11:12.25 | talin_ | ChrisH: yes |
| 11:13.06 | ChrisH | talin_: Then I would use syslog-ng, its easy to seperate the logs by sending hosts |
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| 11:13.28 | talin_ | ChrisH: thank you |
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| 11:14.47 | HRH_H_Crab | its not that tricky to do it with rsylogd either (imvho). |
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| 11:30.33 | bluesm | How to use --gama property accidentally. |
| 11:30.47 | bluesm | Sorry not accidentally. |
| 11:30.59 | bluesm | In the way that i would lack of say red color ? |
| 11:31.11 | bluesm | --gamma 0:0:0 is normal. |
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| 11:48.53 | babilen | bluesm: What? -- http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 11:51.14 | kaustubh | I am getting "Installation step failed, Failing step is Select and install software" while installing debian 7 in virtualbox |
| 11:51.21 | kaustubh | please help |
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| 11:53.27 | nyuszika7h | isolinux.bin missing or corrupt. |
| 11:53.33 | nyuszika7h | should I worry? |
| 11:53.40 | nyuszika7h | GRUB still works fine |
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| 12:00.59 | bluesm | babilen: I just wanted to know ho gamma works |
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| 12:05.13 | ksuhku | bluesm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_%28disambiguation%29 |
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| 12:10.46 | jelly | bluesm: gamma doesn't change the maximum value for a color component, it changes the way it's applied over a range. |
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| 12:11.29 | jelly | bluesm: compare "xrandr --output VGA1 --gamma 1:1:1" (default) to "xrandr --output VGA1 --gamma 0.2:1:1" and "xrandr --output VGA1 --gamma 1.5:1:1" |
| 12:12.03 | jelly | (use the correct output for your card and monitor) |
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| 12:14.48 | matttttttt | hi, is it possible to list which packages aptitude is going to change? |
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| 12:19.18 | babilen | bluesm: Where? What are you referring to? In which context are you investigating "gamma" ? |
| 12:19.53 | babilen | Ah, in the context of xrandr it seems :) |
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| 12:20.14 | jelly | babilen: the context is a couple hours back up |
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| 12:21.37 | jelly | I don't know of a nice non DE specific tool to set color profiles. xrandr --gamma is really just a simple approximation that does not provide all the features |
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| 12:22.34 | jelly | hell, nvidia-settings is better if one wants, say values for red components linearly lowered by a factor |
| 12:23.10 | jelly | but even if it uses the regular apis for that, it doesn't want to run on non-nvidia cards or non-nvidia drivers |
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| 12:25.03 | matttttttt | found something in the options of aptitude |
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| 12:25.56 | pesticide | has anyone got kontact and openXchange working on wheezy yet? I cannot find any info about using the openxchange PIM. |
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| 12:28.38 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.45 | SARC | I have installed the mysql_server and libmysqlclient-dev packages for Wheezy, however I cannot locate the mysqlclient shared object file libmysqlclient.so.16? |
| 12:28.46 | bluesm | jelly: How it works ? |
| 12:29.13 | jelly | bluesm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction |
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| 12:29.42 | pesticide | oops |
| 12:29.47 | bluesm | jelly: and it there a tool to set the "maximum range" |
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| 12:30.06 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.42 | jelly | bluesm: you can't "eliminate" a component with gamma. |
| 12:31.02 | jelly | bluesm: have you tried the examples? |
| 12:31.19 | jelly | (those I pasted above) |
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| 12:32.04 | jelly | bluesm: I don't know of a simple tool to change the maximum value, sorry. Gnome has one of its own I think. |
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| 12:33.08 | bluesm | jelly: is there a tool to eliminate ? |
| 12:33.08 | bluesm | jelly: Other than xrandr ? |
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| 12:35.28 | jelly | bluesm: try asking about a tool to edit color profiles (other than xrandr --gamma) in #xorg |
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| 12:37.28 | nevyn | bluesm: like colour correction? |
| 12:37.39 | nevyn | like ICC and colouhug and so on? |
| 12:38.06 | n3lthon | hi, i have a debian gateway with iptables firewall and my windows pc inside my network cant access to a remote pptp vpn. always get error 619 |
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| 12:39.10 | n3lthon | what might be happening? |
| 12:39.27 | grimeton | n3lthon: port blocked? |
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| 12:40.04 | jelly | nevyn: he wants less red on the display. |
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| 12:40.39 | nevyn | because it's wrong or just a preference? |
| 12:40.39 | jelly | nevyn: the color profile in question here is the one inside the X server. |
| 12:40.45 | nevyn | yeah there is one |
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| 12:40.54 | nevyn | you can fix it with the colour management tools |
| 12:40.55 | jordilopezamat | Hi all :-) |
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| 12:41.03 | jelly | nevyn: which are...? |
| 12:41.05 | nevyn | and a colorometer. |
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| 12:41.14 | nevyn | umm argyll? |
| 12:41.24 | jelly | ,i argyll |
| 12:41.26 | judd | Package argyll (graphics, optional) in wheezy/i386: Color Management System, calibrator and profiler. Version: 1.4.0-8; Size: 4271.4k; Installed: 10137k; Homepage: http://www.argyllcms.com/ |
| 12:41.45 | jelly | that sounds promising (it a bit overkill) |
| 12:41.47 | n3lthon | grimeton: i have everything to outside allowed and the related and established states |
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| 12:43.03 | grimeton | n3lthon: insert a log rule right before the block rule and check if the packet is blocked or not |
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| 12:44.37 | Camber | Hey there. Could someone help me understand what I'm seeing in the who command? There appears to be another user logged in since april as root on my system... that doesn't look good :/ |
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| 12:45.00 | nevyn | Camber: has your system been up since april? |
| 12:45.19 | nevyn | what tty are they logged on at? |
| 12:45.25 | Camber | nevyn: Yes, it's been up since long before that. |
| 12:45.30 | Camber | It says tty1 |
| 12:45.35 | DotHack | Camber: maybe youre session got disconnected |
| 12:45.44 | DotHack | Camber: thats your console |
| 12:45.46 | nevyn | so that's a session on the system console |
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| 12:46.00 | nevyn | when you last logged on did you logoff? |
| 12:46.21 | nevyn | found a vmware console still logged on since sometime last year today (oops) |
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| 12:47.00 | ChrisH | Camber: can you show us the who, last -10 , and uptime output on paste.debian.net please |
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| 12:47.13 | yctn | is it possible to let php use multiple cores ? |
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| 12:47.23 | Camber | ...oh! Well that sounds a lot less serious than what I thought it was :D Thanks. I guess I should go and log off from the VM? What are the side effects of staying logged in? |
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| 12:48.29 | nevyn | ws2k3: usually each php instance will fork and use as many cpu's as you have. |
| 12:48.32 | vt0r | Camber, headache, nausea, possible questions on IRC :P |
| 12:48.39 | nevyn | Camber: it looks a bit messy |
| 12:48.45 | nevyn | it's a minor security risk. |
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| 12:48.53 | Camber | vt0r: Fools wasting experts time I guess :P Sorry about that. |
| 12:49.00 | ws2k3 | nevyn well i have cli php scripts doing some huge stuff but it allways uses one core |
| 12:49.16 | vt0r | Camber, I doubt anyone's hurt by your question. I'm just being an ass |
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| 12:49.20 | nevyn | ws2k3: don't do that. |
| 12:49.21 | vt0r | :) |
| 12:49.28 | ws2k3 | why not |
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| 12:50.35 | IBLUES76 | Hello. I'm not an experience linux user. Does current debian 7.0 support native multi-touch input (no need for gestures..) ? |
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| 12:51.42 | nevyn | ws2k3: because it'll perform badly.. |
| 12:52.39 | nevyn | ws2k3: what are you doing that's so computationally expensive |
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| 12:56.03 | Walex2 | IBLUES76: that depends entirely on which desktop environment you use and which libraries. |
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| 12:57.09 | Luticus | Does anyone know anything about the rush |
| 12:57.15 | IBLUES76 | Ok, I just downloaded the small CD. What do you recommend. I want to test the native multi-touch support. I have used debian before, so it was my first choice to test. |
| 12:57.49 | Luticus | Does anyone know anything about the gnu rush shell. Im trying to get it set up but there doesn't seem to be much info online. |
| 12:58.13 | Luticus | I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction |
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| 12:58.48 | n3lthon | grimeton: can you give me a short example or url? |
| 12:59.08 | Walex2 | IBLUES76: there is no such thing as "native multitouch support" in Debian. Debian is not an application, it is a collection of packages. Some packages may support multitouch. |
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| 13:00.01 | Walex2 | IBLUES76: for example there is a package called 'xserver-xorg-input-multitouch'. Some application packages may use it. |
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| 13:00.33 | grimeton | n3lthon: of what? logging rule? |
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| 13:00.41 | ghking1 | hello who is @chanserv why he is in evey channel |
| 13:00.41 | grimeton | n3lthon: iptables -I FORWARD $LINE_WHERE_TO_PUT_THE_RULE -j LOG |
| 13:00.46 | grimeton | ghking1: he's the finger of god |
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| 13:01.12 | moof2 | I must be missing something... so I have a wheezy i386 install, I added a foreign arch amd64 and now I want to install build-essential from amd64, expecting the compilers and tools to come from that arch... |
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| 13:01.25 | moof2 | I thought he was the wrist of god... |
| 13:01.29 | ghking1 | grimeton is he the bot |
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| 13:01.46 | grimeton | ghking1: yes |
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| 13:02.23 | moof2 | that bot is owned by freenode, it's actually one of the many services provided as bots to freenode. for more info, #freenode |
| 13:02.26 | IBLUES76 | Walex2: Thank you. The drivers are more what I'm concerned... I'm not concerned that any specific application may support the multi-touch... but the hardware is able to communitcate ... so you mention xserver-xorg-input-multitouch... that's great... yeah, I knew that debian is not an application, but I was thinking of debian as an OS (I hope not wrongly) ... so , I think this answer my question... |
| 13:02.27 | IBLUES76 | In other words, I wasn't concerned if a given application (say libreoffice) would work yusing multi-touch, but the raw multi-touch data was being capture ... thank you |
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| 13:03.27 | Luticus | Can anyone recommend a good lock down shell environment for use with SSH? |
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| 13:03.38 | UukGoblin | hi |
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| 13:03.54 | UukGoblin | where can I find documentation on the "Pin:" line of apt_preferences? |
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| 13:04.14 | UukGoblin | i.e. I can see there's various things used like a=, o=, n= - but what do these letters mean? |
| 13:04.23 | moof2 | you need the documentation on the preferences file format |
| 13:04.41 | UukGoblin | there's apt_preferences(5) |
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| 15:19.41 | jkfloris | bguery: sudo apt-get install -f |
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| 15:19.53 | bguery | jkfloris, I tried that with no luck |
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| 15:23.16 | jelly | !tell bguery about bat |
| 15:23.30 | jelly | !tell bguery about paste |
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| 15:23.59 | bguery | dpkg seems offline : ) |
| 15:24.11 | Seekanet | what happens if... i !tell jelly about jelly |
| 15:24.12 | Seekanet | :D |
| 15:24.16 | jelly | hmm. |
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| 15:24.23 | jelly | apt: ping |
| 15:24.24 | apt | ~pong |
| 15:24.33 | jelly | apt, tell bguery about bat |
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| 15:24.44 | jelly | oh that's SO not it |
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| 15:25.18 | woshty | Is the sleep suspend stuff in /etc/acpi in wheezy documented and explained somewhere? |
| 15:25.29 | jelly | bguery: anyway. pastebin the full output of the command. pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy php5-dev" and "apt-cache policy" as well. |
| 15:25.41 | bguery | http://pastie.org/private/adrk36lmpzbesydmmnyj4q |
| 15:25.44 | bguery | jelly ^ |
| 15:25.48 | bguery | o |
| 15:25.50 | bguery | ok |
| 15:25.51 | bguery | I'll do |
| 15:25.56 | jkfloris | bguery, does "apt-get install autoconf automake libssl-dev libtool shtool php5-common" give any errors? |
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| 15:26.17 | jelly | bguery: add libssl-dev to the first policy command, "apt-cache policy php5-dev libssl-dev" |
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| 15:26.59 | bguery | jelly ok |
| 15:27.00 | jelly | jkfloris: migt not be the greatest idea to ask the use to install more stuff until we figure out the reason for dependency problems (ie. mixing releases) |
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| 15:27.25 | jelly | bguery: if you can, put all of that into a single paste |
| 15:27.47 | bguery | http://pastie.org/8010484 |
| 15:27.49 | bguery | jelly done |
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| 15:28.56 | jelly | bguery: I'm told dotdeb packaging is shoddy and broken. Comment them out, do an apt-get update, try again. |
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| 15:29.24 | bguery | jelly damn, the problem is I need it to install php5.4 :/ |
| 15:29.27 | bguery | will give it a try |
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| 15:30.03 | jelly | that doesn't make it any less broken, I'm afraid |
| 15:30.07 | alazred | Is ther a good tutorial for downgrading form sid to testing ? |
| 15:30.15 | alazred | *from |
| 15:30.28 | bguery | jelly well I did update & install but same error on libssl-dev |
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| 15:30.55 | jelly | alazred: no. reset the sources to testing, and read http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php?q=partial+downgrade&term=key |
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| 15:31.32 | alazred | jelly: I just change my source.list to testing ? |
| 15:31.36 | mastifique | nkuttler, jhutchins_wk: got my mistake: running nmap on localhost said its open, but if I had used the eth0-ip it would be closed... |
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| 15:32.10 | jelly | bguery: really? can you show apt-cache policy php5-dev libssl-dev again |
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| 15:32.28 | jelly | alazred: yes |
| 15:32.44 | jelly | alazred: and wait a week or three. |
| 15:32.46 | bguery | http://pastie.org/8010501 |
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| 15:33.11 | alazred | jelly: wait before updating ? |
| 15:33.12 | jelly | bguery: what does aptitude install php5-dev say? |
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| 15:33.44 | jelly | alazred: oh you may update during that time, just don't install or remove stuff or follow up with "partial downgrade procedure" |
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| 15:34.14 | alazred | jelly: ok |
| 15:34.15 | jelly | alazred: 2-3 weeks ought to be enough time for testing to mostly catch up with whatever sid stuff you had installed |
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| 15:34.42 | killown | how often does debian sid get things broke? |
| 15:34.44 | jelly | alazred: then you can use the procedure to see what's left installed from sid |
| 15:35.48 | bguery | jelly http://pastie.org/8010521 |
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| 15:36.27 | jelly | bguery: at that point, answer "r 4", then "n", then pastebin the new proposed solution |
| 15:36.35 | bguery | ok |
| 15:36.39 | jelly | bguery: sorry, "r 3" |
| 15:36.44 | bguery | : ) |
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| 15:36.54 | bguery | php-dev then ? |
| 15:37.01 | jelly | yes |
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| 15:37.13 | jelly | ,v libltdl7 |
| 15:37.14 | judd | Package: libltdl7 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.6b-2; wheezy: 2.4.2-1.1; jessie: 2.4.2-1.2; sid: 2.4.2-1.2 |
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| 15:37.22 | jelly | hmm |
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| 15:38.57 | jelly | bguery: looks like you got too new libltdl7 and zlib1g from somewhere, will have to downgrade them back to squeeze versions somehow |
| 15:39.22 | bguery | jelly yeah possible, It seems that the server had sid enabled for a while |
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| 15:40.11 | bguery | jelly http://pastie.org/8010538 |
| 15:40.15 | jargon | killown: for sid, try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:41.06 | jelly | bguery: yeah... just say n again |
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| 15:41.26 | jelly | bguery: only after "n" it tries to figure something else out |
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| 15:41.29 | bguery | ah yeah sorry |
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| 15:41.45 | bguery | http://pastie.org/8010547 |
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| 15:42.14 | jelly | bguery: that actually looks nice (but it might break aptitude ;-) |
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| 15:42.26 | jelly | I'd accept it |
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| 15:42.39 | bguery | haha ok, I'm crazy I'm giving it a try |
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| 15:43.14 | jelly | bguery: (note that it still completely forgot about php5-dev :-) |
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| 15:43.36 | bguery | yeah |
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| 15:43.54 | bguery | I got Errors were encountered while processing: apt aptitude python-apt apt-utils Current status: 2 broken [+2]. |
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| 15:43.57 | jelly | but it fixed the conflicting library versions |
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| 15:44.04 | jelly | bguery: paste the full output |
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