IRC log for #debian on 20130606

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15:18.03rethusi got this, if i install dovecot: http://pastebin.de/34767
15:18.07rethushow can i fix this
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15:19.24mumpitze1rethus: dpkg -l |grep dovecot
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15:19.50ChrisHrethus: a) use paste.debian.net instead b) show all lines from installation
15:19.53woshtyHey, how does Super-L get named W?
15:20.09rethusmumpitze1: http://pastebin.de/34768
15:21.04rethushttp://paste.debian.net/8812/
15:21.31mumpitze1check if  http://pastebin.de/34768
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15:21.43mumpitze1srry, check if /usr/lib/dovecot/pop3 exists and if it does, run ldd on it
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15:27.57rethusmumpitze1 this folder doesn't exist
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15:32.35ChrisHmatches somehow dpkg output rH  dovecot-pop3d
15:32.36rethusmumpitze1: should i only do a mkdir?
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15:33.11ChrisHrethus: its not a folder but a binary. You still did not show all output from your apt-get install
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15:33.40rethusone moment, I'll post ist
15:34.47rethushttp://paste.debian.net/8817/
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15:35.59ChrisHrethus: is there any config work done so far? did it work before?
15:36.27rethusI'm not sure.
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15:36.46rethuscan i reinstall dovecot completely
15:37.02rethusonly test-mailaccounts on the system
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15:37.56ChrisHrethus: From my understanding you need to reinstall dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d as they are in removed stated (somehow).
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15:38.20rethuswhich command?
15:38.25rethusonly apt-get reinstall?
15:38.27IBLUES1976Hi, how can I add a display resolution to debian 7 (assuuming that it works)... I want to have 1680x1050
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15:38.31rethusor some kind of purge
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15:39.26rethusresult: http://paste.debian.net/8819/
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15:40.00ChrisHrethus: I would apt-get remove --purge on all dovecot stuff. But apt-get reinstall dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d
15:40.15ChrisHmight be worth another try.
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15:40.59teraflopsxrandr IBLUES1976
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15:41.42rethusChrisH:  http://paste.debian.net/8821/
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15:41.49IBLUES1976teraflops: thanks
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15:43.06rethusChrisH: he remove nothing, and i don't know why
15:43.19ChrisHrethus: now dpkg -P on them
15:43.36rethuson all packages i removed?
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15:43.49teraflopsIBLUES1976: if not listed with xrandr you can generate with cvt for example
15:43.59ChrisHrethus: mainly on imap and pop3 first
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15:44.24rethushttp://paste.debian.net/8823/
15:44.26jhutchins_wkDo I remember incorrectly that there is a "unique"  command like "sort" that eliminates duplicates?
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15:44.42ChrisHjhutchins_wk: qiu are right: uniq
15:45.18ChrisHrethus: is your filesystem corrupted? check dmesg
15:45.25rethusChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/8824/
15:45.29jhutchins_wkChrisH: THanks, that's it.
15:45.51rethusno output on dmesg
15:46.21ChrisHrethus: _no_ output on dmesg? or nothing pointing to filesystem issues?
15:46.30rethusno output.
15:46.34rethusits a vm of proxmox
15:46.47ChrisH!promox
15:46.48IBLUES1976i wonder if debian auto-detects the resolution... I change a setting in vmware to use host display resolutions, and in full screen is 1680 x1050 now... (using xrandr to display the info I found that out) ... I'm using the vmware tools, so that may have something to do... I just don't know...
15:47.21ChrisH!proxmox
15:47.21dpkgProxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>.  It is not supported in #debian.  http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support
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15:51.35ChrisHrethus: man dpkg check for remove and purge options. Alternativ try to install them from cache sing dpkg and potentially some force option.  But Proxmox os not debian.
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15:52.16rethusthats a fully debian 7. its not the proxmox-master, but a vm of it.
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16:02.22nmschulteIs there a program that I can run, like screen, that is kind of a "wrapper" for a process, so that stdout/err doesn't wrap in my terminal?
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16:02.29ZitterHey, Debian 7 is a BOMB! I love it!
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16:03.00jmdHow can I list all package which depend on package X ?
16:03.04robertsDumb question.   How do I make a feature request of SQUID3 to be built with ' ERROR: 'https_port' requires --enable-ssl'
16:03.12ghkinghello everyon,today i have finally killed win7.and use only debian.
16:03.32jmdghking, Congrats.
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16:04.06mms_I am using udev rules and some devices work well while others go undetected.  few get detected but then gives terminated endpoint connection kind of error on accessing.  some even with that error are accessible via android adb.  I am confused on why such confusion on detetction ?
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16:04.45mms_I have google nexus 7 which is usable via adb but in filemanager / command prompt I cannot navigate its storage.
16:04.50IBLUES1976Hi, where do I find (or how do I install) X Sources
16:05.15IBLUES1976X11 sources, for example, x11/extensions/XInput2.h
16:05.23mms_I am using wheezy which as such has probably slight defect on missing mtpfs module
16:05.25jmdIBLUES1976, http://www.x.org
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16:05.48theothertomroberts: should just be a low-priority bug
16:06.05mms_I tried to use vendor and product id recognized by windows but will not load device in debian as guest on vbox.
16:06.12theothertomIBLUES1976: you might want the -dev package
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16:06.48mms_is any one facing udev problems with android devices ?
16:07.11robertstheothertom:   Where, eg what web page, do I create the bug
16:07.26IBLUES1976theothertom: do you know the name of the package of the x11 dev?
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16:09.34IBLUES1976i found x11-common (apt-cache search x11) ... how do I search for x11 directory? maybe is already there
16:10.01theothertom!dpkg tell roberts about reportbug
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16:10.31mms_I have few phones and tablet which with windows drivers are usable on windows but I want them to work on debian too.
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16:11.03raphieHi. Raspian Wheezy (Debian based) here. If i let terminal logged in w/o activity, it gets into screensaving mode. Would therefore, constantly active shell script keep it in activity (= not blacking out?)
16:11.05theothertomIBLUES1976: there are quite a few of them
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16:11.21jhutchins_wkmms_: Buy several copies and send them to Linux kernel developers.
16:11.23robertsThanks theothertom
16:11.39mms_jhutchins_wk: I do not undestand what you saying
16:11.42zykotick9!tell raphie about raspbian
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16:12.06raphieI know, just popped here to ask, because i thought it's same.
16:12.27raphie+, this space is quite big, increasing the option of answer
16:12.34mms_jhutchins_wk: I suppose udev is generic and popular devices like samsug tab should be easily detected on wheezy
16:12.38IBLUES1976I just did sudo find / -name "X11" -type d ( I found a few) , maybe /usr/lib/X11 or /usr/include/X11
16:12.39zykotick9!tell raphie about based on debian
16:13.02jhutchins_wkmms_: The only way drivers and support software for a given device gets into linux is if a developer is interested in it and has access to the hardware and whatever API info the manufacturer has provided.
16:13.08raphieThanks...
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16:13.22jhutchins_wkmms_: If YOU have an interest in the device, YOU can help developers gain access.
16:14.08theothertomIBLUES1976: you can try searching on package.debian.org for the file you need, for example, the one you mentioned: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=XInput2.h
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16:14.33mms_jhutchins_wk: you mean samsung tab GT-P3113 I guess does not have kernel module ?
16:14.53theothertomor, if you need the headers for something that's packagd in Debian, but not how you want, apt-get build-dep $package" often helps
16:15.42mms_jhutchins_wk: what I am probably thinking on how does these modules get loaded if they are absent in wheezy.  does udev fetch from some repo ?
16:16.30IBLUES1976I foudn the includes, but I'm missing XInput2.h ... what's the name of the XInput2 package...
16:16.32IBLUES1976?
16:17.07mms_jhutchins_wk: I am not sure whom to send what info ? I can probably send windows driver details info if here is easy way to dump it out because using windows drivers they work fine on windows.
16:17.55mms_vendor, product id is always available in windows driver hardware details
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16:18.12mms_thats is what I use to setup udev rules hoping that it enough
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16:18.32mms_but did not know it needs specific drivers modules also into wheezy....
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16:18.46theothertomIBLUES1976: it's on the page I linked: libxi-dev
16:19.13mms_is there some repo where I can look for what drivers are available for devices ?
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16:19.26IBLUES1976theotherom: I missed the link, can you paste again, please
16:19.55IBLUES1976or do you mean x.org ?
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16:20.33theothertomIBLUES1976: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=XInput2.h
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16:22.51phonehi, i'm trying to find if debian has drivers for this wifi card http://wikidevi.com/wiki/Compex_WLM200NX
16:23.01phoneso far my googling hasn't been much help, just leading me to sales pages
16:23.10ksk!tell phone  about wlan
16:23.18phonewhat i have found is that the drivers are in 'compat-wireless', which doesn't seem to be in the debian repositories?
16:23.40kskphone: see what dpkg tould you :)
16:23.42IBLUES1976theothertom: thank you!
16:24.09dbristowHow do "ensure a running MTA" for my email-when-booting init.d script?
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16:24.44kskyou have dependency based booting? learn how it works, use it :P
16:24.46phonethanks, sks.
16:24.48phone*ksk
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16:32.21kskmms_: maybe from samsung? just a wild guess
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16:32.43mms_ksk: I see no linux  driver...just win and apple
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16:32.58kskso you bought the wrong device :(
16:32.59mms_samsung kies
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16:33.34mms_ksk: I heard udev is quite easy to setup but do not know where to get its driver if its needed
16:33.36kskyou wont get that samsung software for linux. what do you actually need? to access files on the tablet? tried mass storage support?
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16:36.13phoneksk: does that bot have anything for bluetooth?
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16:37.24txomonhi, I am having (and I am not the only one) a great problem with chromium: it freezes all the screen but the moude
16:37.26txomonmouse*
16:37.31ksk!tell phone about bluetooth
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16:37.47phonethanks!
16:37.50kskphone: ask the bot yourself ( in query) like: "tell me about xy"
16:38.02phoneah, okay
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16:38.13txomonanyone knows anything similar?
16:38.18txomonabout*
16:38.38phonetxomon: i've been having intermittent total system freezes, but afaik nothing to do with chromium. sorry.
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16:40.05txomonI think its this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673176
16:40.16jhutchins_wkmms_: The only place udev can get a driver is from the existing, installed kernel modules.
16:40.37mms_jhutchins_wk: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.hardware/6RdT6XQf98I
16:40.43mms_I posted there the question
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16:41.05jhutchins_wkmms_: Probably the most likely place to get an answer.
16:41.26mms_jhutchins_wk: I am surprised that popular cos like samsung are not providing linux support
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16:41.58mms_even google nexus 7 is not well supported
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16:42.06mms_on wheezy its MTP is broke
16:42.14mms_at least adb worked for it
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16:42.37mms_in fact i suspect that wheezy does not have MTP support
16:42.50anddamI wonder why did Android switch at all
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16:43.07mms_installing from squeeze or src compile mtpfs did not good really
16:43.12phoneseems like google is making a push to "apple"-ify their ecosystem
16:43.32DirangedI'm having an issue building a debian package here that relies on a library from another one of our custom packages. The error we get it 'dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /opt/postgresql-9.1/lib/libpq.so.5 (used by debian/nextdoor-ve/opt/nextdoor-ve/lib/python2.7/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so).'. The odd thing is that the file in question is entirely visible and owned by one of our packages: 'p
16:43.56mms_ok I will leave with my inputs today
16:43.59mms_have fun
16:44.00mms_bye
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16:44.06phonequick question: how do i restart x-window and stay on the same tty?
16:44.18phoneif i use /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart i get bumped to tty8 and tty7 stays blank
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16:46.29Thermibeware! Hetzner has been hacked! http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Hetzner-gehackt-Kundendaten-kopiert-1884180.html
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16:49.50txomonmy office mate is also having the same problem
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16:54.05cantomahey guys, I have been facing some crashes in my debian wheezy and this was the second time today that it happened. It also happened the same a few days ago and some of you guys told me to try to at least get a picture of the crash, which I did now. You can see what I got on screen by visiting the following link: http://imagebin.org/260467
16:54.38cantomaThis is really annoying because i could lost some important work that I have been working on
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16:55.29cantomaby the way, before wheezy I installed squeeze in this desktop, and then later I did a dist-upgrade to wheezy.
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16:57.11cantomathere is a possibility, but with no evidence so far, that my dist-upgrade could have contributed to the crash problem
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16:57.41cantomaif anyone can spot what the problem could, please let me know
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17:01.47phunyguyhello, silly question here.  I used to be a Ubuntu user, and now I am a Debian user.  One thing with Ubuntu was that regular users could see commands in /usr/sbin, but not be able to run them, which is fine, but in Debian, I get a file not found error with a regular user account when running a command from there.  Any ideas on what Ubuntu may have done to make that work?
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17:02.38phunyguyI have a silly service that is started and stopped with a regular user account, based on screensaver on or off, and my user can't see start-stop-daemon   xD
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17:03.35atrapadophunyguy, I think it is that /usr/sbin isn't in the PATH in Debian... you can do /usr/sbin/program
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17:03.40phunyguysorry, /sbin, not /usr/sbin
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17:03.57phunyguyatrapado: it works with sudo
17:04.07phunyguyor the regular root account
17:04.42atrapadothey have /sbin in the PATH
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17:04.52phunyguyoh...
17:04.55phunyguywell then.  :)
17:04.59phunyguyit appears you are correct
17:05.05phunyguyty sir.
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17:14.54Linuturkso, running wheezy, and gnome terminal takes about 3 or 4 seconds to start.
17:15.16Linuturkhostname resolves instantly. nothing obvious in strace, xterm starts instantly
17:17.03Linuturkah, transparent background is doing it
17:17.05Linuturkcarry on
17:17.39nkuttlerLinuturk: might want to try a more lightweight terminal
17:18.04jdolesIs KDE-4.10 backported to Debian 7?
17:18.14Linuturknkuttler: anything as feature rich?
17:18.38nkuttlerLinuturk: depends on which features you care about i guess
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17:19.59nkuttlerLinuturk: i just use urxvt
17:20.11klys_Linuturk: for transparency and tinting try aterm.
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17:20.36b|fhhello...supose I need to add a second "application" to apache..can I use "default" for that?
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17:21.28nkuttlerb|fh: do you mean the site config file? that's intended for sites, not apps
17:21.42nkuttlerb|fh: so.. yes i guess
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17:22.29b|fhI can configure exemple.org/wordpress and example.org/joomla
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17:22.55b|fhnkuttler: using the default site config?
17:23.12b|fhI dont need to create a second config file
17:23.14b|fhright?
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17:47.49kskno you dont. just create joomla in /var/www and put everything there
17:48.07kskbut maybe you want to have seperate vhosts for seperate applications.. dunno :)
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17:48.24kskit works without, anyway.
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17:50.06TakeADumpHi, I just started a new blog about Linux and I'm trying to spread the word.
17:50.10TakeADumpWould anyone like to check it out?
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17:52.01anomalyis there a flag to have top use mb/gb instead of kb for its listings?  or a more suited program for the same function?
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17:52.43digdilemhtop, anomaly
17:52.53moof2you mean like ls -l?
17:52.53TakeADumpanomaly, I actually mentioned something like that on my blog the other day.
17:52.55jordanmanomaly, it displays mb/gb if the size is large enough to warrant that
17:53.00TakeADumpWant to check it out?
17:53.21moof2nevermind, misread.
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17:53.24anomalyTakeADump, certainly
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17:53.52TakeADumpok just a sec
17:53.54TakeADumphttp://www.tinyurl.com/2snvvs
17:53.57TakeADumpthere you go
17:54.18anomalyjordanm, not quite.. as my mem usage is 524288k.. which would warrant a more readable mb translation
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17:56.38jordanmanomaly, well, I am running top on squeeze with no options and the top RAM user shows 6145m virt 1.1g res
17:56.54cantomahey guys, I have been facing some crashes in my debian wheezy and this was the second time today that it happened. You can see what I got on screen by visiting the following link: http://imagebin.org/260467. Also, note that before wheezy I installed squeeze in this desktop, and then later I did a dist-upgrade to wheezy. This could give some indication, although there is no evidence that some package got damaged during upgrade.
17:56.58jordanmoh, you mean for the totals
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17:57.44anomalyjordanm, my mistake for not being more clear in my aim :)
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17:59.02jordanmcantoma, looks like /dev/sda is failing
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17:59.15jordanmcantoma, can you pastebin the output of `smartctl -a /dev/sda`
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18:02.02cantomajordanm, thanks for looking at it. I got the following information from smartctl http://pastebin.com/pCrkCVHw
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18:03.01tuohello
18:03.15moof2hi
18:03.24jordanmcantoma, drive itself actually looks fine
18:03.45tuolist please
18:04.03cantomajordanm, that means that no errors where found by using that tool
18:04.06moof2tuo: for a list of what's offered here..
18:04.26jordanmcantoma, for i in /dev/sda*; do tune2fs -l "$i"; done
18:04.27cantomajordanm, do you think it could be a memory problem?
18:04.31moof2you can visit either packages.debian.org or ...
18:04.32jordanmcantoma, pastebin the output of that
18:04.35cantomaok
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18:04.57moof2tuo, if you want to see what this is, you can go to http://www.debian.org
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18:05.37moof2tuo, debian is a unix-like operating system
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18:05.48cantomajordanm, this is what I got http://pastebin.com/gTxi6c4d
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18:06.24moof2the listers -always- come from .it...
18:06.37cantomajordanm, it says "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock."
18:06.43cantomacould be that relevant?
18:07.04jordanmcantoma, no, that just because it was your extended or swap partition
18:07.10cantomaok
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18:09.50cantomajordanm, i guess it basically says: "Filesystem state:         clean"
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18:10.19cantomathe rest seems to be parameters
18:10.30jordanmcantoma, yeah, that was what I was looking for
18:10.52jordanmcantoma, next guesses would be: real kernel bug, bad cable, bad controller
18:10.59jordanmnot really sure
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18:11.26jordanmthe panic is from the kernel trying to write it's write buffer to disk
18:11.34cantomajordanm, hmmm
18:11.35cantomai see
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18:12.07jordanmunfortunately, there isn't a backported kernel for you to try atm
18:12.24jordanmthat would probably be my next try though, newer kernel
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18:12.51cantomajordanm, instead there a kernel in backport for wheezy
18:12.57cantomais that what you are saying
18:13.14jelly-home,kernels
18:13.15juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc4-686-pae (3.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
18:13.34jordanmcantoma, according to the backports page, there are no backports for wheezy yet
18:13.37jelly-homedoesn't look like there's a kernel in wheezy-backports at present
18:13.42cantomaok
18:13.59cantomain that case i need to compile one
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18:14.13jordanmcantoma, for a kernel, you might be able to get away with manually downloading the .deb for the kernel and maybe linux-base
18:14.19jordanmfrom sid
18:14.22cantomai see
18:14.36cantoma3.9 is quite a jump from 3.2
18:14.38jelly-homejordanm: and newer initramfs-tools and ... :-(
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18:14.44cantomait might have this fixed
18:14.45moof2any guesses as to what version of the kernel would likely be put into wheezy backports, and why that version?
18:15.28cantomajelly-home, what you are basically saying is that it needs a dist-upgrade
18:15.57cantomai might get away by trying to compile a kernel, although last time i did it, was 10 years ago.
18:16.06moof2cantoma, curious, what would a later kernel help you with?
18:16.22cantomamoof2, it might not have this problem
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18:16.25cantomais just a try
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18:16.38cantomamoof2, this is happening with some frequency
18:16.46cantomaat least once a day
18:16.48moof2what's the "this"?
18:16.56cantomathe kernel crash
18:17.11cantomalet me repost the message
18:17.12moof2oh, did you post the pic?
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18:17.25cantoma***hey guys, I have been facing some crashes in my debian wheezy and this was the second time today that it happened. You can see what I got on screen by visiting the following link: http://imagebin.org/260467. Also, note that before wheezy I installed squeeze in this desktop, and then later I did a dist-upgrade to wheezy. This could give some indication, although there is no evidence that some package got damaged during upgrade.
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18:18.06Guest45034#flood channel perameters info$
18:18.38Guest45034welcome
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18:18.52Guest45034where is permeters
18:18.56cantomamoof2, you can see my mouse pointer in the middle right side. it actually stopped.
18:19.02Guest45034alex???
18:19.03cantomamoof2, the keyboard was also dead
18:19.27moof2so that was at least maybe usb crash?
18:19.40moof2if you have another machine...
18:19.45moof2can you try sshing in?
18:19.52cantomamoof2, oohh yes
18:20.01cantomamoof2, i tried
18:20.06cantomamoof2, ssh
18:20.14moof2ok, what about pinging?
18:20.20cantomamoof2, the same
18:20.26cantomamoof2, if i do it now it will connect
18:20.38moof2because you rebooted?
18:20.42cantomamoof2, at the time i tried because i wanted to safe some scripts
18:20.56cantomamoof2, which i now lost since they were not saved
18:21.06moof2sorry to hear that
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18:21.23cantomamoof2, when it happen the first time i didn't lost anything
18:21.28cantomaand i just reboot it
18:21.45moof2what you might try...
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18:21.51level7Hi all....
18:21.51moof2is run memtest86
18:21.51cantomasecond time i had some scripts in gedit and before rebooting i tried ssh and ping the machine and nothing
18:21.59Guest45034verysoftoiletppr
18:21.59cantomaok
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18:22.03level7wondering if somebody has installed debian7 on Alix boards
18:22.09Guest45034please sned me all the perameters
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18:22.24cantomamoof2, this is similar to what i got == > http://www.linuxhorizon.com/9-linux/b6855293048e37fb.htm
18:22.25Guest45034send the link
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18:22.54cantomamoof2, they say: A typical case of memory corruption. Enable object debugging in the slab allocator to figure out what. CONFIG_SLUB=y CONFIG_SLUB_DEBUG_ON=y will get you to a config where you would likely get detailed reports on what is corrupted.
18:23.50cantomamoof2, i guess i can run memtest86 during the boot or can i do it now throw console?
18:24.04moof2and you can let it run for like 5 mins, to see if anything bad happens... really tho, probably want to run it for like an hour
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18:24.43cantomamoof2, ok i can leave it running all night if necessary, since this is my office machine
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18:25.18moof2no... memtest86 is like a kernel, you boot, get to grub menu, and if you installed memtest86, it should appear like a choice of an operating system to boot
18:25.33cantomamoof2, yes
18:25.36cantomain the boot right
18:25.43cantomamoof2, i think i saw it there
18:25.57cantomabut i am just going to confirm if it is installed
18:26.13moof2and this is just to rule out hardware problems involving the cpu, ram, video, and maybe other sections of the motherboard
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18:26.40cantomamoof2, ok
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18:26.53moof2if clean bill of health, that's good (since your ram and video are good) but doesn't tell you about the failure
18:27.21cantomamoof2, well I will see. It might not detect anything given that the PC is new.
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18:27.49Guest45034ROUGE
18:27.49moof2that's my two cents :) I don't know much else I can contribute
18:27.53Guest45034pm me
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18:28.01cantomamoof2, that is one of the reasons why I did a dist-upgrade recently to wheezy, given that for most stuff (including the kernel) i was using the backports.
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18:28.36moof2cantoma, before the dist-upgrade, were you seeing the problem then?
18:28.44Guest45034that is one of it 2
18:28.46cantomamoof2, was all fine
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18:29.13cantomamoof2, and i have this machine since October
18:29.31cantomamoof2, i did the dist upgrade in the end of May
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18:29.59cantomamoof2, crashed happen in the last 3 days
18:30.02moof2oh, if that's the case, most likely the memtest will give clean bill of health, which would put the problem in maybe the current kernel
18:30.06cantomamoof2, crashes happen in the last 3 days
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18:30.24moof2what were you doing about 4 days ago?
18:30.49moof2(dp upi see why I ask that?)
18:30.58moof2(do you
18:31.01cantomamoof2, i remember that I tried to uninstall libpulse
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18:31.13cantomamoof2, and most kde stuff jumped out as well
18:31.41cantomamoof2, but then i reinstall libpulse back again
18:31.46moof2and before that machine ran fine? when was the dist-upgrade?
18:31.46anomalyI had forgotten to set the mysql root password first.. so when I installed phpmyadmin the pma account was not created.  how do I call back up the setup for that package so it can be configured?
18:32.11cantomamoof2, the dist-upgrade was in the end of May possibly 28 or 29
18:32.17cantomamoof2, and it was all fine
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18:32.44moof2anomaly, sometimes in such a case I purge and then install... but caution: you might have data in that mysql
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18:33.22anomalyI had thought there was a debconf or some such.  or a reconfigure.
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18:34.04moof2cantoma, so the dist-upgrade was before the problem came up (and before removing/reinstalling libpulse)?
18:34.10bluemedahello
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18:34.22bluemedaanybody know how to install oracle jdk 7?
18:34.33cantomamoof2, so before i simply tried to unsinstall libpulse and then many kde packages got removed as well. At the time I didn't care because I am using wmaker. But then i reinstall pulse because i needed some applications that were requesting for it.
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18:35.11cantomamoof2, (1) 28-29 of May dist-upgrade (2) 3 of June remove/reinstall libpulse
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18:37.04jmdAnyone know how to use cdrskin ?
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18:37.35moof2cantoma, so I'm hoping that the additional info is helpful to people more informed than I am; the time frames of stuff could be good info to figure out what is happening with your machine
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18:39.02cantomamoof2, so i am trying to report bug by using reportbug tool by it is taking ages in "Gathering additional data, this may take a while..."
18:39.39cantomamoof2, i have already selected the kernel package and wrote the subject of the problem
18:39.55cantomai am reporting it over the kernel package
18:40.04moof2sounds like a good idea. additionally, you should consider including some or all of the things we discussed
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18:40.32cantomamoof2, yes i can include all those logs
18:40.45cantomai will then include the results from memtest
18:40.53cantomaafter i conclude this part
18:41.05moof2sounds great :)
18:41.21Guest45034moof2: dont type inappropriate
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18:41.58moof2for inappropriate typing, try gtypist!
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18:42.49Shutdownhi everybody
18:42.57moof2hi
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18:43.23Shutdowni have a question
18:43.47ksuhkucantoma, if that tool don't work you can report by email too
18:44.09Shutdownwhy debian is worse than windows vista?
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18:44.30bazhangShutdown, thats not a debian support question
18:44.31ksuhkuShutdown, blow me
18:44.45cantomaksuhku, well i will leave it overnight running .. if by then it doesn't end then i will report by email
18:44.48moof2Shutdown, so your question is "why do I think windows is better"
18:44.52moof2and I don't know :)
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18:45.22Shutdownok guys, i`m just kidding
18:45.26moof2shuts shutdown down!
18:45.40Guest45034lol
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18:46.21Shutdownbye every
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18:46.34teraflopsboooh
18:46.35ksuhkucantoma, if it doesn't work, you've got 2 bugs to report :)
18:47.06cantomaksuhku, i wont consider the latter one so severe
18:47.07cantoma:s
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18:48.17cantomaanyways, i am going back home, tomorrow i will see what is the status of reportbug and then i will do a memtest
18:49.14Guest45034function () ultiLayout.modules.keybpard_handling.move_left(1)   end ),
18:50.21moof2cantoma, the problem likely has something to do with the difference between what you had installed before (maybe the closest is libpulse) and what you have installed now
18:50.37cantomaguys, i just realised that reportbug was sending questions to the console
18:50.49cantomai am progressing now in the bug report
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18:59.38johndodo I see this right, stable gets iceweasel 17 (through wheezy/updates) which isn't even in testing?
18:59.51johndoor is there something wrong with the repository?
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19:07.28zykotick9johndo: wheezy-security: 17.0.6esr-1~deb7u1
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19:10.46johndozykotick9: I just was surprised that my laptop, which is on stable, wants to install iceweasel 17 on an upgrade while my desktop, which is on jessie, stll only has icewesel 10 ...
19:11.03johndothere must be something wrong with debian xD
19:11.22johndo1 month after release and a major version upgrade ... times arce changing :)
19:11.33mayhewjohndo: it's good to see, IMO
19:11.43johndoIMO too
19:11.44mayhewwaste of effort to maintain old versions of Firefox
19:11.52johndojust have to be used to it ;)
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19:14.30mayhewI wish Debian and Mozilla would work out a way to use "Firefox" in Debian though, every other distro is using it ;\
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19:16.11moof2mayhew, mozilla asked debian to not use the name
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19:17.36jhutchins_wkmayhew: You don't actually understand the process.  They don't "maintain" old versions.  They replace the name and logos and build the packages.
19:18.48jhutchins_wkmayhew: afik nobody provides third-party patches for firefox, so there's no maintenance done, they just package the next release (which they'd have to do anyway).
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19:20.46johndojhutchins_wk: but so far (whit the previos debian releases) debian ported security relevant changes back to the old firefox version which where in the release from the beginning
19:20.54johndoobviously this policy has changed
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19:21.58zykotick9johndo: mozilla seems to be in a race with chromium, who can get the highest version number fastest...  certainly makes life difficult for debian policy ;)
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19:22.33johndozykotick9: indeed, sad story these number races
19:23.18gnarfaceQuestion: Is multicast routing enabled by default in the debian kernel on wheezy?
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19:23.45gnarfacewill i have to recompile or manually load missing modules? or is it just my routes that are jacked?
19:24.21jelly-homegnarface: modules missing for what?
19:24.45gnarfacejelly-home: forwarding multicast packets
19:25.01zykotick9gnarface: if you know what kernel config you're looking for, and use a default debian kernel, you can check your /boot/config-FOO file.
19:26.00jelly-homegnarface: hm, don't you need a userspace tool to configure mcast routing and forwarding?
19:26.24jelly-homegnarface: like, dunno, pimd
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19:26.52jelly-homeI only used mcast as an endpoint so I don't really know how routing works
19:27.02nvzI'm kinda in the middle of a buncha stuff right now and done this all once or twice beofre.. is there any reason I need to stop what I'm doing to go read Chapter 4 of "Upgrades From Debian 6.0" like dpkg says?
19:27.07gnarfacejelly-home: i dunno, do i? i was under the impression that was only necessary when multicasting over the public internet
19:27.15nvzI'm about to upgrade this squeeze box to wheezy
19:27.32cantomamoof2, jelly-home, jordanm, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711410
19:27.49cantomai will reboot the machine and leave it running memtest
19:27.51jelly-homenvz: you know the default answer to that already, it's "yes read the damn release notes"
19:28.00nvzheh
19:28.01zakalweyeah seriously
19:28.08zakalwei answered 'no' when i asked myself that question
19:28.09zakalweupgrade went splat
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19:28.13jelly-homegnarface: but you're not doing that?
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19:28.21nvzwell when I upgraded my machine wheezy was still testing..
19:28.29gnarfacezykotick9: well the config claims i have present what my googling suggests i need.  but its hardly a canonical list...
19:28.36nvzand I didnt do anything fancy aside from the normal proceedure
19:28.48cybrNaut-nvz: change your nick plz.. you're triggering my VZ highlighter
19:29.15jelly-homecybrNaut-: fix your highlighter.
19:29.28nvzyeah seriously.. I been here roughtly since the beginning of time
19:29.33nvzand this nick is registered
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19:29.55jelly-homeand the joke wasn't funny in the first place
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19:30.15cybrNaut-oh, alriight.. i'll fix the hilighter
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19:30.28jelly-homeatta boy
19:31.04cybrNaut-jelly-home: no joke.. I really have a VZ hilighter
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19:31.10brunofilipe47what madness, earn money just to stay connected to your computer and register now, do not waste time. https://coingeneration.com/auth/new/108412/
19:31.27xingujelly-home: there's also smcroute ;)
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19:31.39jmdCan someone explain to me why cdrecord, cdrskin and the like refuse to take a pipe socket or anything other than a regular file as their input?
19:31.54jelly-homexingu: I think I last heard about that one ten years ago.
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19:33.20jelly-homejmd: huh?  I have a script that does, basically, mkisofs | cdrecord -
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19:34.07jmdjelly-home, I always get some kind of error.  It wants a track size or something.
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19:35.02jelly-homejmd: I first calculate the image size with mkisofs -print-size, then provide that to cdrecord
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19:35.19jelly-homeor whatever the current forks of those are called
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19:35.56jelly-homejmd: http://paste.debian.net/8864/
19:35.57jmdjelly, is the image-size the same as the track size ?
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19:38.19jmdjelly-home, Thanks.
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19:39.40jmdWhy do you multiply by 2048 ?
19:40.04jelly-homejmd: I don't, it's a literal string "x2048"
19:40.53jelly-home"because that's the syntax to write a plain old mode 1 data track with sectors of size 2048B"
19:40.57jmdWell yes.  What I meant was why do you ask cdrecord to multiply by 2048
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19:41.27jelly-homethat was written in like 1996.
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19:41.56jelly-homeexcept speed= was like 4 then
19:42.07jmdYeah.  None of the documentation explains what these sizes mean nor what the units are.
19:42.28jelly-homehmph, read the docs for cdrecord I guess
19:42.54jelly-homethe linux fork is skimping on details, to say the least
19:42.57jmdI have done.  Several times.  They make little sense.
19:43.06jelly-homeheh
19:43.12zerickWhy so suddenly my NIC has been crashing at boot ? , I have to start it manually.
19:43.14xingufortunately the answer these days is "I don't care buy a USB stick"
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19:44.08jelly-homexingu: I will pretend jmd has an old HP proliant to boot, they did not do "boot from usb" until 2007-8-ish
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19:44.52jelly-homebut then again he wouldn't create a custom image for that
19:45.33jmdI really don't want to create an image. Ideally I'd like to do a straight tar dump.
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19:46.05jmdtar -cf /dev/dvd /
19:46.16jelly-homeis it a cd or a dvd, then?
19:46.26xinguI remember booting an apollo 7000-series off a tar format tape. :)
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19:46.26jmdA dvd
19:46.38jelly-homewhy are you asking about burning cds then
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19:46.54jmdDid I mention cds ?
19:47.13jelly-homejmd: growisofs both creates an image and burns a dvd, all in one
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19:47.35jmdOk. I'll look into it.
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19:48.01jmdBut like I say.  I really don't want an image.  Just a bare stream.
19:48.04jelly-homeyou mentioned mkisofs and cdrecord.  I may have assumed cd, because that's what those tools are for
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19:48.24jmdI mentioned cdrecord.  I never mentioned mkisofs
19:48.37jmdcdrecord can write DVDs too, I understand.
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19:49.41jmdThe problem with makeing an iso image is that it might not fit onto the medium.
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19:51.34jelly-homeso write the tar directly with growisofs
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19:53.11amartin_hi guys
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19:54.05jmdjelly-home, which package provides growisofs ?
19:54.16jhutchins_wkxingu: Paper tape.
19:54.33jelly-homejmd: /msg judd file bin/growisofs
19:55.16jmdUgh not in squeeze
19:56.28jhutchins_wkjmd: The thing about iso9660 is that it's not a dynamic file format, it's more like a single fixed file.  Writing to it dynamically doesn't really work.
19:56.37amartin_I have a problem with initramfs-tools, it basicly fail to install. I have tried to reinstall pango as it says, but cannot as well. http://pastebin.com/EJWJy3Xr (please ignore the warning about the language)
19:57.01Eryn_1983_FLhey peeps i get with apt-cache show 10.x for xbmc and when i do aptitiude show i get version 11
19:57.06Eryn_1983_FLwhats up with that?
19:57.07jmdjhutchins_wk, That's precisely why I wanted to avoid iso9660
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19:57.45jhutchins_wkjmd: http://www.cdrfaq.org/
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20:00.59RougeR_quick question
20:01.04RougeR_how big is a typical install?
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20:02.20nvzRougeR_: last I checked a squeeze "desktop system" only of gnome anyhow was around 6-7GB installed
20:02.45rozieRougeR_: <300MB for base system
20:02.50RougeR_ty, i was going to make a 40GB debian partition for apps and OS
20:02.54RougeR_should be pleeenty
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20:03.24nvzRougeR_: yeah you need about 1-2GB to spare just to do upgrades and such (dist-upgrades) but thats usually covered by the filesystem reserve
20:03.33RougeR_windows wont let me partition my SSD beyond 11GB -___-
20:03.37RougeR_tried a 3rd party app
20:03.43RougeR_it made me lose bootmgr
20:03.48zophyRougeR_: i just did  net install of debian 7 with all the developement and server packages (no source code packages) and and few network things.. and it's at the disk use is at 4.6 GiG right now
20:04.00RougeR_thanks for info zophy
20:04.02rozie1-2GB is too few for normal desktop
20:04.07RougeR_40GB should be fine for all programs
20:04.16RougeR_i can always run over on to my D drive
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20:04.55nvzyeah 40gb is plenty.. you could get by on half that with a desktop system even with several games installed
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20:05.06nvzand games are typically what'll take up a lot of space with their data files
20:05.25RougeR_ah id keep my games to windows
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20:05.44RougeR_my windows only takes up 50GB bt its fairly fresh
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20:05.56RougeR_i cant get windows to partition still though
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20:06.25RougeR_\http://i.imgur.com/MmOSpkU.png
20:06.26RougeR_this shit
20:06.29nvzI always use parted magic which is a really nice live distro you can put on a thumbdrive or such and allows you to use gparted among other things
20:06.44nvzhas a nice set of useful tools on it, and its pretty small
20:07.10RougeR_hmm may look into it
20:07.17RougeR_i really do not wish to kill bootmgr again
20:07.26nvzcan be put on a thumbdrive with unetbootin
20:07.28RougeR_only got one big flash drive atm
20:07.29nvz!unetbootin
20:07.29dpkgUNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions.  http://unetbootin.sf.net/  Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images: ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>.
20:07.36RougeR_yeah i ave unetbootin
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20:07.51nvzah well its on their list of distros
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20:08.05RougeR_i may give it a bash
20:08.13RougeR_ty
20:08.14nvzit only takes up about <200MB
20:08.20nvzif I recall correctly
20:08.22jmdRougeR_, or a csh
20:08.54RougeR_what commands do i need
20:08.57RougeR_im a linux noob
20:09.04RougeR_for partitioning
20:09.07zophyit might not be safe to resize smaller than what windows says you should, windows might put things where gparted might not know about
20:09.16RougeR_i see
20:09.18RougeR_but seriously
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20:09.25RougeR_i have 200GB+ free space on the SSD
20:09.37wryfii'm having an initrd issue with wheezy + lvm + linux-3.9.4: with no mods, it never finds the root filesystem, but if i add a 'sleep 10' to /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init before  it calls ./scripts/local, everything is happy and fine.
20:09.48babilenThe Debian installer can resize partitions fwiw
20:09.48nvzRougeR_: partitioning from the command line can be done from cfdisk but I'd recommend gparted if you're new its graphical
20:10.02nvzyeah D-I has a nice curses frontend to parted
20:10.11RougeR_ah okay
20:10.17nvzas well as a graphical one customized for the graphical installer
20:10.20wryfiwhat changed in between 3.2 and 3.9 that i need the extra delay?
20:10.22RougeR_so parted magic then boot gparted
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20:10.35jhutchins_wk,kernels
20:10.35babilenRougeR_: You can resize partitions in the Debian installer - There are also nice gparted live cds, but you don't necessarily need that.
20:10.36juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc4-686-pae (3.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
20:10.36nvzgparted icon is right on the desktop in parted magic
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20:10.45RougeR_can you in the installer
20:10.49RougeR_hmm will give it a shot
20:10.49RougeR_brb
20:11.03RougeALThi
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20:11.22babilenwryfi: fwiw, testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and you might want to file a bug about that
20:11.32babilendpkg: tell RougeR_ -about install debian
20:11.39babilendpkg: tell RougeR_ -about firmware images
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20:12.05zophyok, how can i get windows 8 to dual boot now that i installed debian and i boot with grub ?
20:12.19wryfibabilen: thanks for the info
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20:12.52zophywindows 8 gives an error about something be changed and won't start
20:13.00jhutchins_wkzophy: Run update-grub and it should detect it.
20:13.06babilenzophy: You should make sure that you have os-prober installed and run "update-grub2" -- That should find your Windows installation and configure a suitable entry in the grub boot menu.
20:13.28jhutchins_wkSounds like it's detected and in the menu but broken.
20:13.45zophyi have an entry for windows 8 in th grub and windows boots but gives an error
20:13.56jhutchins_wkzophy: Be aware that if you run the windows restore process it'll probably owerwrite debian.
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20:14.09zophyis it UEFI or windows 8 protection ?
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20:14.16jhutchins_wkzophy: How would we know how to fix windows 8?
20:14.18PhonicUKhey all - how old a version of Debian should I go if I want to run it on a system with just 32MB RAM?
20:14.39RougeALTbabilen
20:14.47RougeALTwont let me resize my ssd in the installer
20:15.06RougeALTbecause of an unknown reason it is impossible
20:15.07jhutchins_wkPhonicUK: Rather than try to run an old version it would be better to look at a project like emdebian that's working to build a small-system-compatable equivalent.
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20:15.12nvzPhonicUK: is it at least a 486 then?
20:15.13RougeALTcheck /var/log/syslog/
20:15.21PhonicUKnvz, Pentium 75mhz
20:15.30PhonicUKnvz, Toshiba Libretto 50ct
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20:15.39nvzah
20:15.42RougeALTthat is ancient
20:15.47PhonicUKit is
20:15.49PhonicUKbut its tiny xD
20:15.59PhonicUKi bought a pair of them off ebay
20:16.03RougeALTnopice
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20:16.07RougeALTi love the tiny thinkpads
20:16.23babilenRougeALT: Which installer did you use?
20:16.30jhutchins_wkI had a Cassio Cassiopea that I'd have loved to run Linux on.  There was a port, but they stopped making them and the project died.  Great little checkbook-sized computer.
20:16.31RougeALTbabilen installed from windows
20:16.41PhonicUKhttp://www.notanon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/libretto-dsl.jpg
20:16.56PhonicUKthese are cool because they're x86 but still really tiny
20:16.57RougeALTtheres the HP ones that do similar
20:17.02RougeALTthey run windows 3.0 or similar
20:17.10RougeALTbut you could likely get linux onem
20:17.13jhutchins_wkPhonicUK: You might see if anybody was working a linux install for it.
20:17.25PhonicUKjhutchins_wk, lots of outdated info and broken links
20:17.32jhutchins_wkRougeALT: Probably WindowsCE.
20:17.40RougeALTthat may be it
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20:17.49PhonicUKhttp://imgur.com/a/cGdRi
20:18.13RougeALTawesome
20:18.16PolakkoHi ALL!! I have a question about Debian 7, i updatet from 6.0.6 and I received something like that: ata1: hard resetting link
20:18.25RougeALTgahhh why cant i partition
20:18.38RougeALThow hard is it to move an installation from one HDD to another
20:18.48RougeALTcould i just install on my ssd without a partition???
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20:19.27PolakkoI need to say that I use different hard disks, i even installed debian 7 from official site, and I alwayes get that log.
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20:21.25babilenRougeALT: Wait, you are installing Debian aren't you and you tried to partition in the Debian installer. That results in an unknown error? What do you exactly mean by "installed from Windows" ?
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20:22.37Vicissitudeprobably via the setup.exe on the first cd/dvd
20:22.42RougeALTnope
20:22.53RougeALTas in used windows to creat a installer boot option
20:22.59RougeALTi cant remember the name
20:23.03RougeALTi did it ages ago
20:23.10nvzusing the windows boot.ini?
20:23.14RougeALTthink so
20:23.16RougeALTyeah
20:23.27nvzrolls his eyes
20:23.30RougeALTi had no laptop and no dvd drive at the time
20:23.41RougeALTnought wrong with muh oot
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20:26.49babilenRougeALT: Well, I have no idea what you did, but it is obviously not working. If you want to install Debian then I would recommend to dowload a suitable installer (e.g. <firmware image>) and burn it to a CD or copy it to a USB stick (cf. <usb install>) -- You might also want to read the other factoids linked in <install debian>
20:27.15RougeALTive installed it before
20:27.22babilenRougeALT: All the <..> references refer to factoids our bot (dpkg) can tell you about. Just send it a message with, for example, "/msg dpkg install debian"
20:27.25RougeALTactually done it a ew ways
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20:27.48shutdownhi everybody
20:27.51RougeALTit will work this way, its the partition which is being funny
20:28.16RougeALTidk
20:28.22babilenRougeALT: You can also try using a parted live cd for the partitioning, but I have never run into a problem with parted on the installer.
20:28.40babilenRougeALT: I am still not sure which installer you used and how you booted it, but nevermind ... have fun!
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20:29.36RougeALTboot.ini on windows
20:29.38RougeALTi think
20:29.39RougeALTalso
20:29.43RougeALTgot a pic
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20:30.46RougeALTbabilen,
20:30.47RougeALThttp://i.imgur.com/bgF9GDm.jpg
20:30.51RougeALTthats the error i get
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20:30.56shutdownIn gnome 2 , we had a printer config assistant, and it has gone in gnome 3. well, i'm using mate now, and i'm not finding this printer assistant. Does anynoe have a light about it?
20:31.19jelly-homejmd: if you meant "no, in squeeze", then /msg judd file bin/growisofs --release squeeze
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20:31.58jelly-homejmd: or use apt-file or seach for files on packages.debian.org
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20:36.39jmdHow can I backup a filesystem to CD / DVD when the filesystem exceeds the capacity of the media?
20:36.59jmd(and I don't have any spare disk space)
20:38.09jhutchins_wkjmd: Well, you could do it selectivly, manually allocating the space, but I'm pretty sure you need free disk space (or RAM) equal to the size of the image.
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20:38.51diamondsdebian.org is german no matter what I do
20:38.56diamondsin my browser
20:39.11frostschutzjmd, I used to use gaffitter to find file sets that fit media. then write those sets on the fly. won't help you if you have large single files though
20:39.14diamondsI set it to german for some testing, went to debian.org, said "oops", set it back
20:39.20jhutchins_wkdiamonds: What browser would that be?
20:39.25diamondscleared cookies &c.
20:39.31diamondsjhutchins_wk» opera
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20:40.22diamondsjhutchins_wk» oh I think I found the issue
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20:40.51diamondsit's matching against `de` anywhere in the Accept-Language header
20:40.55diamondsignoring preference
20:41.08diamondsI guess it assumes english is always a 2nd or 3rd preference
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20:41.39diamonds(de was still in there as a 2nd preference in opera config)
20:42.01diamondsanyway even when I clicked "English" on debian site it wouldn't stay English
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20:42.26diamondsthen I tried to read the install guide and it was german again w/no mechanism on that page to switch back
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20:42.45dekisswhich is most compatible application for ms powerpoint documents?
20:43.22frostschutzdiamonds, works for me. shows up in english if english is the first language and german the second; or in german if I move the language preference
20:43.24cuscoI would guess openoffice or libreoffice
20:43.27jhutchins_wkdekiss: I think open/libreoffice has something.
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20:43.40diamondsfrostschutz» huh.  i'll try to reproduce
20:43.56cuscoalthough I got used to uploading the file to google docs
20:44.04dekissjhutchins_wk,  I have one presentation and when I open is bad :)
20:44.09dekissbut nevermind
20:44.18dekissthanks anyway :)
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20:53.33jhutchins_wkdekiss: From what I've heard ppt is the least likely to be portable.
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20:55.01DammitJimhow good is pound as a load balancer application?
20:55.10DammitJimare there any comparable load balancers?
20:55.15DammitJimI'm going to experiment with some vms
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20:59.18jhutchins_wkDammitJim: For the real thing you need hardware.
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20:59.42master_jok, so update notifier is being removed in testing. what is the recommended way to update your testing system, because technically it's a rolling release?
20:59.57DammitJimjhutchins_wk, like a Cisco appliance/
20:59.59DammitJim?
21:00.00master_jis there a replacement coming?
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21:08.58somiajmaster_j: testing is not a release and calling it a rolling release is abuse of what it really is
21:09.21master_jok. well that's why i put the ?, i guess.
21:09.27somiajmaster_j: I personally would not suggest using an automatic updater. You want to upgrade your testing system when you have the time to fix any bugs that come with the upgrade.
21:09.57master_jhmm. ok, thanks! i see.
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21:10.25somiajthere is a tool you can use, I'm looking up its name. Again this tool is made for stable and security updates. Testing upgrades can and will break things
21:10.57babilenRougeR: Please use a standard installer that you boot from USB or CD (cf. <firmare image> <usb install> and <install debian>)
21:11.04master_ji am trying to get my stable working the way i want it. unfortunately i'm using an unsupported browser and unsupported desktopUI so it's tough.
21:11.24babilenRougeR: Please also change to virtual console 4 (alt-f4) and check for more detailed errors
21:11.27somiajmaster_j: stable + backports will be a better system than testng (Which changes things)
21:11.45somiajmaster_j: or stable + custom packages (use /usr/local or make your own .dpkg package)
21:12.18master_jwell, nevertheless, testing exists. it is usable
21:12.36somiajmaster_j: oh it is, I prefer sid myself and it has been my desktop for 10+ years
21:12.37master_jif i don't mind breakages
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21:12.51somiajmaster_j: unattended-upgrades (that is the package I was looking up for you)
21:12.56somiajagain I would not suggest using such a thing on testing.
21:13.10master_jok, i will check it out. ok, i'm still on wheezy atm.
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21:23.17genjixwhich is the channel for debian packagers?
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21:23.31genjixdebian developers packaging software.
21:24.03somiajgenjix: you could ask simple questions here, but #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
21:24.13genjixthanks somiaj
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21:26.45LinuxAdminhi guys I'm moving from ubuntu to debian, because of a problem with grub on ubuntu, i've read debian is a lot stable
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21:27.32somiajLinuxAdmin: any paticular question. yes debian is more about stability and quality of a release than a time table. It also gives you way more choice and freedom of software than ubuntu (one side effect of this is it takes more work to configure it like you want)
21:27.35LinuxAdminI'm wondering if debian has the same installation facility to install SO on software raid
21:28.31nkuttlerso?
21:28.51somiajLinuxAdmin: debian has it's own installer, called the debian installer. afiak it can install on software raid.
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21:29.02LinuxAdmininstall ubuntu on a software raid partition is really easy, with the graphical installation screens and don't have to deal with mdadm
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21:29.56LinuxAdminbut the upgrade to 12.04 give me problems with grub after rebooting
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21:30.26LinuxAdminsome friend of mine advised me debian and said that debian do not suffer from this problem
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21:31.21LinuxAdminI've got really important servers running on ubuntu I'm really worried about upgrades because of grub
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21:32.20somiajLinuxAdmin: my personall suggestion is try to figure out how to fix the grub issue and stay with what you know (though I do prefer debian over ubuntu)
21:32.28LinuxAdminI'm really motivated to change to debian, but I need some opinions about installation on software raid, thanks somiaj
21:32.53somiajLinuxAdmin: switching to debian will not only require you learn a new way with dealing with things there could be other combadablity issues to deal with.
21:33.01CissWitwell, that's a problem you are likely to meet with any linux distrib, grub and raid management is a big source of bug with big upgrades
21:33.09somiajLinuxAdmin: I would wait for others on installing on software raid. I do not have experience with such a thing.
21:33.29LinuxAdminI've tried supergrubdisc, running live cd and try to reinstall grub, but hadn't success
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21:34.09cuscowhy
21:34.44cuscoseems easy enough, mount partition, mount proc, mount sys, mount dev, chroot, grub-install
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21:34.53LinuxAdminsomiaj, do I have to learn a new way with dealing with things? Isn't debian very similar to ubuntu?
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21:35.19cuscoLinuxAdmin: debian != ubuntu
21:35.23LinuxAdminat least the way we install packages is the same (apt-get or aptitude)
21:35.25master_jyes, ubuntu is based on debian
21:35.56somiajLinuxAdmin: in the essence they both use debian packages (And there is devs to create packages for both systems) yes
21:36.11LinuxAdminyes master_j, that's why I thought these distros were almost the same
21:36.15somiajLinuxAdmin: in terms of how the core works, the policy, the way releases work, the way packages work together and so forth. There is lots of differences
21:36.36somiajLinuxAdmin: one big issue is debian puts all non-free firmware in a non-free repo that is not enabled by default.
21:36.46master_jwell ubuntu branched off from debian many years ago so there a differences now, but as an example, yes they both use apt-get.. but there are differences as well.
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21:36.59zinxsomiaj: Debian does that for legal reasons..
21:37.00somiajLinuxAdmin: we do not support ubuntu here for the reason that things in ubutu do not always work the same and should not be expected to work the same as debian.
21:37.01Warp4IIRC Ubuntu is basically debian-testing
21:37.07LinuxAdminoh my god, lot of problems in the near future :(
21:37.18somiajzinx: along with the DSFG
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21:37.45master_ji would stick with an ubuntu LTS or debian stable, and not think about upgrading very often at all if your system stability is important.
21:37.46zinxsomiaj: the DFSG are so that Debian can do the things it needs to do to keep the distribution working :/
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21:38.09zinxsomiaj: they're really quite lenient
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21:38.14somiajzinx: to me it is more than a 'legal issue'. It is a philosophy as well.
21:38.18zinxsomiaj: yes
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21:38.29LinuxAdminI think I have to get the risk because this issue with grub is not acceptable
21:38.51zinxsomiaj: but anything that doesn't follow the DFSG is either not distributable, or not fixable
21:38.56zinxsomiaj: or some combination
21:39.02LinuxAdminI've got llot of important servers that I'll not risk to not boot some day
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21:39.22LinuxAdmindo you have this issues with debian?
21:39.37master_jdebian stable is solid.
21:39.44master_jthat's what it's made for.
21:39.46LinuxAdmini've read that debian had the same issues but had solved it
21:39.49zinxLinuxAdmin: never had such problems myself
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21:40.00master_jbut i don't use RAID, so i can't say for sure
21:40.12zinxi use raid on two machines, my workstation boots off of raid
21:40.19master_jwith newer hardware you might have an issue with debian stable, but you shouldn't
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21:40.50somiajLinuxAdmin: debian does put a lot of work to fix things that are 'grave' bugs in the stable release. Part of why it took over a year to release wheezy from the freeze
21:40.50LinuxAdmini don't use raid for desktop, but for servers it's mandatory
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21:41.19master_jalso, ubuntu lts should be solid. debian is still using grub 1, isn't it?
21:41.23master_jgrub-legacy
21:41.26penthDoes anyone know a way to expire a password automatically after running adduser, aside from writing a shell wrapper to call it and then chage? Setting 'expire=0' in /etc/default/useradd has no effect.
21:41.30zinxLinuxAdmin: debian releases are not regular like Ubuntu ones - they are done when there are no more meaningful bugs left.
21:41.32master_jbecause i think there are some issues with grub 2
21:41.35zinxLinuxAdmin: at least, known ones.
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21:42.02LinuxAdminare there to many bugs on stable release? shouldn't it be stable?
21:42.05zinxLinuxAdmin: this means the software tends to be somewhat outdated in the stable release, but also that it's really stable.
21:42.08LinuxAdmintoo many
21:42.18zinxLinuxAdmin: Ubuntu has quite a few on its releases :)
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21:42.27LinuxAdminyes I know
21:42.29nvzdue to some router issues here trying to install fglrx via dkms failed.. how can I trigger the dkms build process to start again?
21:42.31dekissjhutchins_wk, thanks for info now I saw
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21:42.49zinxLinuxAdmin: as i say, Debian won't do a release if there are meaningful bugs (minor cosmetic stuff sometimes gets through)
21:43.03master_jnvz: try aptitude reinstall 'relevant package' maybe?
21:43.08LinuxAdminI know zinx
21:43.12somiajLinuxAdmin: depends on what you call a bug. Stable had 0 release-critical bugs as of it's release. But there are minor bugs
21:43.12penthI use Ubuntu on desktops but debian stable for servers
21:43.18zinxLinuxAdmin: debian stable is also kept up-to-date security wise, even when packages are somewhat older.
21:43.23somiajnvz: dpkg-reconfigure the package
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21:43.34ragedragonhello the room, is it possible to set Xephyr to run with multiples windows mode?
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21:43.44somiajnvz: if that doens't work, try apt-get --reinstall install package
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21:43.46ragedragoninstead of one single X window
21:43.47LinuxAdminstable releases are the best for servers. right?
21:44.05zinxLinuxAdmin: depends on your definition of 'best', i would recommend it if you have no specific need for shiny new stuff
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21:44.19somiajLinuxAdmin: that is the goal, no one would use anything but debian stable on a server (using testing on a server is silly, except for testing purposes)
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21:44.35zinxtesting is dangerous to use on a server :/
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21:44.40somiajLinuxAdmin: though some think debian releases to quickly (every 3 years or so) and want CentOS (:
21:44.42zinxmore dangerous than sid, security wise
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21:45.35somiajwhich is why I run sid on my desktop. I think testing just has it's own issues
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21:45.43LinuxAdminI also think in CentOS because I want a distro that don't change too frequently, that's why I use ubuntu LTS
21:45.44msni am trying to install debian wheezy on a system with no BIOS just UEFI
21:45.48nvzsomiaj: thanks.. I should know that but my BP and stress level is so high spending the last hour repeatedly resetting this router until I finally unhooked it just now :-P
21:46.11msndebian installs properly with theEFI boot partition but when the system boots up after installtion i get error of no bootable disk
21:46.17msnor it drops to grub prompt
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21:46.29nvzturns out debian tools like aptitude and such don't like randomly dropping internet connection during dist upgrades and driver installs that need to fetch files
21:46.31somiajLinuxAdmin: the one thing I think debian does better than unbuntu LTS is test the upgrade process. I see the ubuntu LTS upgrades break a lot more machines than debian upgrades
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21:46.51LinuxAdminthanks somiaj and zinx for your support
21:47.04somiajnvz: it depends, if the packages don't download it usually just errors out.
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21:47.52master_jboy i remember someone turning off my computer during an upgrade. i think that's when i really learned how awesome apt-get is. i recovered ok.
21:47.57LinuxAdminI had some ubuntu servers that don't upgrade anymore because they are too old
21:48.02LinuxAdmindoes this happen with debian?
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21:48.23LinuxAdminI don't want to upgrade too often
21:48.26master_jLinuxAdmin: you can really customize debian however you want.
21:48.28somiajLinuxAdmin: as long as you upgrade one release at a time (using archive.debian.org) it would have to be very very old
21:49.03somiajLinuxAdmin: i.e. squeeze (now old stable) had about a 4 year life span. 3 years as stable and one year as oldstable. When it reaches it's EOL the packages are still available they do not recive security support
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21:49.33somiajLinuxAdmin: another example is if you had say an old lenny server from 6+ years ago, you can still upgrade it with debian tools, you just have to be slow and careful. lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy (and make sure you read the release notes on the upgrade process)
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21:49.50LinuxAdminwhat I'm wondering is that if a new release is out, debian stop upgrade my old version or if the community continues supporting it, specially security fixes
21:50.05somiajLinuxAdmin: oldstable is supported for about 1 year from the new release
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21:50.15somiajLinuxAdmin: this gives users a year to upgrade before security support is dropped.
21:51.12penthEven Lenny was in the regular repositories until early this year.
21:51.15LinuxAdminsomiaj: I think it's long enough to test upgrade
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21:51.38penths/regular/regular security/
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21:52.31LinuxAdminsomiaj: what is your experience with release-upgrade? could it break something?
21:52.38somiajLinuxAdmin: that is the idea. One year is a reaonsable amount of time for people to sechedule, test and preform upgrades and deal with any changes that affect their systems.
21:52.50somiajLinuxAdmin: if you know what you are doing it is actually really smooth.
21:53.02somiajLinuxAdmin: if you just blindy do it, you may find yourself in for a supprise.
21:53.18somiajLinuxAdmin: the release notes detail most 'known' issues that occur during upgrades
21:53.18gnarfacejelly-home: ok so maybe i do have to run pimd after all.  would i run it just on the VM host system, or would i also have to run it on the sending system as well?
21:53.50LinuxAdminsomiaj: how can we be sure that nothing breaks?
21:54.11somiajLinuxAdmin: preform a test upgrade first
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21:54.43LinuxAdminwe should wait some time before do the upgrade and, as you said, read for the most known issues
21:54.50somiajLinuxAdmin: my sid install on my desktop at home was installed in 2005. It has been upgrading smoothly since then (well it is sid, I do have to fix things)
21:55.04somiajLinuxAdmin: there is a lot of testing before the release. Most issues are already addressed at that time.
21:55.15LinuxAdminhow can we perform a test upgrade?
21:55.20somiajLinuxAdmin: but copying your install into a VM and running the upgrade there shouldn't be to difficult for a linux admin.
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21:56.45LinuxAdminsomiaj: I've never done it before, although I use a lot kvm virtualization stuff
21:57.31somiajLinuxAdmin: well copying a debian install (except for grub) is just copying over a filesystem. Many ways to put it on another box or a vm so you don't have to do the upgrade on your live server.
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21:58.03LinuxAdminsomiaj: I get the ideia
21:59.03LinuxAdminsomiaj: thanks a lot for your support
21:59.26somiajLinuxAdmin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
21:59.38somiajLinuxAdmin: give you an idea on what is said about squeeze -> wheezy upgrade
22:00.44somiajLinuxAdmin: lots of info, but it isn't overly complicated the documenation is just making sure it addresses good pratice
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22:18.56slav3_kittenis there anything for linux like acrobat xi pro?
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22:20.00msnthere are lots of apps which can read pdf in linux
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22:27.21confreyhi everynbody
22:27.43confreyjust anyone avalaible to help me about pinning? I'm using stable (ex LMDE) and I wish to use compiz, avalaible in unstable repositories
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22:29.42albertoIs there way I can read and write files in my pen drive without being root?
22:29.49nkuttlerconfrey: that will mess up your system. build a backport if you must, /msg dpkg ssbp
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22:30.11nkuttleralberto: which filesystem?
22:30.21albertofat32
22:30.29albertopendrive usb
22:30.54nkuttler!tell alberto about vfatrw
22:31.09albertoIt only works in the file manager as root, I want to see how user normal.
22:31.27master_jconfrey: if you don't mind messing up your system, you can grab the compiz packages from unstable.
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22:31.32albertobut it works as root.
22:31.37master_jthat's what i did
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22:32.06confreymaster_j, is what I wish to do, using pinninng, to install compiz and its dependencies only
22:32.29nkuttler!pinning
22:32.29dpkgPinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>.  Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata .  If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.  http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
22:32.49albertoanyone?
22:32.55nkuttleryou just got lucky if the sid package is installable right now
22:32.59nkuttleralberto: read the bot's message
22:33.13confreymaset
22:33.25franco00I have three commands: comm1, comm2, comm3. I would like to run their output, glued together, through less. I have tried: comm1; comm2; comm3 | less, but that obviously is not the way to do it. What's the correct way?
22:33.35confreymaster_j, did you that enabling pinning?
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22:35.17master_jso the recommended way would be to compile compiz then?
22:35.37nkuttlermaster_j: yes, unless there is a backport already
22:35.55albertothis is not help
22:36.03franco00s/run/read
22:36.13nkuttler,checkbackport compiz
22:36.15juddBackporting package compiz in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
22:36.19nkuttleralberto: how so?
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22:36.33nkuttler, compiz
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22:36.40nkuttler,v compiz
22:36.46juddPackage: compiz on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4
22:37.01nkuttlermaster_j: looks like it should be easy to backport
22:37.07master_jlooks like it's only available in sid, squeeze, and experimental.
22:37.08albertodoes not explain on pendrive, only configure sourcers list
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22:37.25confreyso, which repository do I need to insert in sources.list?
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22:37.35master_j^
22:37.49nkuttlerconfrey: master_j: /msg dpkg ssbp
22:37.50master_jyes, please tell us how :)
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22:38.28master_jbut, using squeeze backports or sid backports, if we're using wheezy?
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22:38.46nkuttlerhuh?
22:38.47master_jwhat would the difference be from just using the sid repo?
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22:39.10nkuttlermaster_j: one method works reliably, the other doesn't
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22:39.17master_jit's available in squeeze, squeeze-backports, sid, and sid-backports. which is recommended for wheezy?
22:39.35nkuttlerwhat's sid-backports?
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22:39.45confreynkuttler, what may I do with that command?
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22:39.53nkuttlerconfrey: which one?
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22:40.09master_joh, sorry.
22:40.27confrey''/msg dpkg ssbp''
22:40.48nkuttlerconfrey: oh, you type that here into your irc client, the bot will send you instructions on how to build a backport
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22:41.28master_jit's actually not available in backports, it looks like.
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22:42.45master_jhmm, thanks nkuttler, dpkg gave me some good instructions for that. luckily compiz seems to be working for me pretty well.
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22:43.44confreynkuttler, I did, but nothing happanesd
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22:45.11nkuttler!ssbp
22:45.11dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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22:47.49confreynkuttler, thanks, but it seems there are no backports for wheezy
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22:48.25confrey!debian-backports
22:48.25dpkgbackports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable and oldstable distributions, prepared by Debian developers.  Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use.  See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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23:21.14pipegeekI'm slowly losing my mind.  Would someone be willing to look at a partman-auto/expert_string and tell me what I'm doing wrong?  For some reason, the fourth partition listed gets completely ignored by partman and I'm staring at it unable to comprehend why.
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23:27.10phunyguyhello, I have Debian installed on a 2011 model Macbook Air (it was free, don't hate), with the KDE desktop installed.  With Gnome, keyboard backlight worked, but it doesn't in KDE.  Any ideas? I have no idea where to even start looking.
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23:27.47alericoverihello everyone, I'm glad to announce the first release of my project, it's called Hecatomb (htq2): a Quake II client being developed for high portability, you can check it  out and give it a shot at http://github.com/alericoveri/hecatomb.git. Thanks in advance!
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23:33.35phunyguynevermind, KDE bug 320600 says that Keyboard backlight control will be available in KDE in version 4.11
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23:44.18\\Mr_C\\is there a 32 and 64 bit debian iso in one?
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23:45.37amphorion\\Mr_C\\: Yes... there is one... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/
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23:46.16Mike3620If I wanted as root to log what a non-root user is doing, but I only want to montor one user because I think he maybe abusing a server. How would I do it?
23:46.34\\Mr_C\\is that an official image?
23:46.41Mike3620I just want to log the commands he is typing, not run a keylogger.
23:47.04Mike3620and I don't want to monitor every user I just want to monitor one
23:47.34dimitry7Hello does anyone has an example of CPUID in XL, for Xen. Thanks!
23:47.42Mike3620what command would I type in to preform the logging. Thank you.
23:47.52amphorion\\Mr_C\\, Yes for sure...
23:48.00\\Mr_C\\thank you
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23:57.43FreezingColdI'm looking at installing and maintaining around ~20 computers with Debian. I already have a few ideas about how to go about this, what does #debian recommend?
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23:58.18FreezingColdThey will all be running all the same packages, just that personal files will get added by users
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23:59.34amphorion_FreezingCold, i think FAI will do the job
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