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| 00:00.10 | FreezingCold | amphorion_: Really? wasn't sure if it was considered "harden" enough if you get what I'm saying |
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| 00:06.21 | g00se | I've broken editor in my alternatives. gvim was not there and i probably tried to force it manually |
| 00:06.48 | g00se | What's the best way to get it working? |
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| 00:07.47 | dimitry7 | amphorion_, that FAI thing looks realy good, I am gonna test it, thanks!! |
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| 00:11.20 | SARC | What happened to mysql-admin in wheezy? Does anyone know? |
| 00:13.07 | pipegeek | it's provided by mysql-client-5.5 |
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| 00:14.00 | SARC | pipegeek: not on my system it doesn't |
| 00:15.39 | nkuttler | SARC: mysql<tab><tab> |
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| 00:15.56 | pipegeek | SARC: it's mysqladmin |
| 00:15.58 | pipegeek | not mysql-admin |
| 00:16.04 | SARC | pipegeek: looks like its not in wheezy... just squeeze and sid |
| 00:16.23 | pipegeek | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=mysqladmin&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 00:16.30 | pipegeek | packages.debian.org says it is in wheezy |
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| 00:16.38 | SARC | mysql-admin (5.0r14+openSUSE-2.1) MySQL Administrator is a powerful visual administration console that enables you to easily administer your MySQL environment and gain significantly better visibility into how your databases are operating. |
| 00:16.42 | pipegeek | oh |
| 00:16.43 | pipegeek | ha |
| 00:16.46 | pipegeek | a thousand apologies |
| 00:16.52 | pipegeek | goes and sits in the corner |
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| 00:17.47 | peterrooney | ,versions mysql-admin |
| 00:17.48 | judd | Package: mysql-admin on i386 -- squeeze: 5.0r14+openSUSE-2.1 |
| 00:18.26 | SARC | is it not part of wheezy because there's some sort of problem? |
| 00:18.54 | peterrooney | ,versions mysqladmin |
| 00:18.56 | judd | No package named 'mysqladmin' was found in i386. |
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| 00:22.21 | gez | Hi |
| 00:22.50 | gez | I just updated my testing box and now gnome shell doesn't search applications when I type in activities |
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| 00:23.03 | gez | Does Anyone have the same problem? |
| 00:23.43 | amphorion_ | SARC, mysql-admin is removed.... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644568 |
| 00:24.34 | SARC | amphorion_: well that's just dumb... |
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| 00:26.11 | SARC | I guess I will have to add squeeze to my sources.list |
| 00:26.39 | moof2 | you mysql fans should consider checking out postgres |
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| 00:27.16 | SARC | When I do that though, will any package that I apt-get install that appears in squeeze and wheezy automatically install the newer (wheezy) version by default? |
| 00:27.17 | g00se | mysqladmin is a utility, not a package isn't it? |
| 00:27.40 | SARC | g00se: There's a difference between mysqladmin and mysql-admin |
| 00:28.02 | g00se | Ah5 |
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| 00:30.43 | g00se | \quit |
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| 00:34.33 | moof2 | SARC, yes, unless the package exists in squeeze, is installed and does not exist in wheezy |
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| 00:47.57 | wald0 | what is the repositories that i need to add in wheezy in order to get updates (bugfixes) ? |
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| 00:56.15 | edman007 | where is the default LANG defined? |
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| 00:59.39 | edman007 | ahh, found it... dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:24.29 | Quix86 | would a drive being set up for win8 uefi secure boot and all of that junk prevent it from being read in a different system? |
| 01:24.46 | Quix86 | I can't tell if this drive is broken or just has too much partition junk on it |
| 01:24.54 | Quix86 | dmesg is reporting errors |
| 01:25.50 | Arrowmaster | that shouldnt |
| 01:26.31 | Quix86 | Buffer IO errors... failed command READ DMA |
| 01:26.34 | Quix86 | bad drive? |
| 01:27.23 | Arrowmaster | ive had that before on a drive i think went bad |
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| 01:27.35 | Quix86 | this drive was in a computer that was "hit" |
| 01:27.39 | Arrowmaster | it was the drive or the controller |
| 01:27.46 | Arrowmaster | i never bothered to figure out which |
| 01:28.12 | Quix86 | I'm gonna give gparted another 15 min to try and figure the drive out, I'll call it dead after that |
| 01:28.13 | Quix86 | ty |
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| 01:36.16 | ImaLamer | been having issues when out of memory on a machine here with just 1GB of RAM, the system doesn't ever seem to swap anything out... ideas? |
| 01:36.53 | ImaLamer | certain sites, for example, when loaded in an browser seem to race to fill the physical RAM and then even a TTY session is useless |
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| 01:37.28 | Konomi | ImaLamer: set vm.swappiness higher? |
| 01:37.48 | ImaLamer | that might do it |
| 01:37.55 | ImaLamer | let's see :D |
| 01:38.19 | Konomi | oom killer seems to miss a lot of things though |
| 01:38.27 | Konomi | I bumped into this problem with my eeepc idk if it has improved |
| 01:39.17 | ImaLamer | it's a new issue to me, and i'm running a custom kernel i compiled months ago so... i think it has something to do with trying to move my swap partition around |
| 01:39.35 | Konomi | does free report you have swap? |
| 01:39.38 | ImaLamer | i.e. i broke something |
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| 01:40.13 | raptor67682 | hi. |
| 01:40.21 | pump | hi |
| 01:40.22 | ImaLamer | well i was looking at vmstats as I loaded a page... physical filled and the swap usage went up maybe ~20MB |
| 01:40.30 | Konomi | I haven't done anything as involved as compiling my own kernel yet but I am sorely temped to recompile libglib2.0 with a patch atm cause I am getting a bit bleh waiting for the repo to update |
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| 01:40.39 | Konomi | try vm.swappiness |
| 01:40.42 | raptor67682 | In C, would you know if it is possible to calculate base on longitude / latitude the time change? |
| 01:40.43 | Konomi | see if that gets it better |
| 01:40.53 | naptastic | Is this the right place to ask about problems with kernel-package? |
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| 01:41.03 | raptor67682 | (wanna know the time in Mexico right now) |
| 01:41.19 | pump | Hi. I was looking for some help to fix a "broken" partition. |
| 01:41.20 | ImaLamer | will do, thanks konomi, i just kinda let that slip my mind (swappiness) |
| 01:41.27 | Konomi | raptor67682: give me a sec and I can find you a command that takes in the timezone |
| 01:42.37 | raptor67682 | Konomi: no raelly, wow. |
| 01:43.02 | Konomi | hmm? |
| 01:43.08 | Konomi | env TZ="Mexico/General" date |
| 01:43.12 | raptor67682 | Konomi: I did calc the SUnrise. Inot my C code, I imported all cities (if you want you can have this part of code that has all latitude and longiutude) |
| 01:43.13 | Konomi | that what you're looking for |
| 01:43.23 | Konomi | oh you want this in C duh |
| 01:43.36 | raptor67682 | Konomi: ... in C ... C is base of linux ... a sec: |
| 01:43.39 | Konomi | doubt I can help with that sorry xD |
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| 01:44.16 | raptor67682 | I use this code: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/code/sunrise.c.html |
| 01:44.48 | raptor67682 | I just create an array of array in C with all cities + lat and long, and here it goes for sunrise |
| 01:45.04 | raptor67682 | might be same for time change, whether might be calc. |
| 01:45.05 | Konomi | I'm not sure maybe ask in the c programming channel? |
| 01:45.31 | raptor67682 | Konomi: I am not sure either. We all know C |
| 01:45.36 | Konomi | there's probably a time library for c already you vcan use too |
| 01:45.41 | naptastic | I compiled a kernel "The Debian Way" into linux-image and linux-headers packages. They install fine on the computer where they were compiled, but linux-image does not install on another computer I copied it to. (Error pastebin to follow.) |
| 01:45.46 | raptor67682 | C is know by most of us |
| 01:46.17 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.31 | raptor67682 | I like #debian channel. You are so friendly |
| 01:46.32 | Konomi | try joing ##c and ask there |
| 01:46.47 | naptastic | Error paste: http://pastebin.com/RwZkm2rP |
| 01:46.53 | raptor67682 | (##c is rather different (in terms of welcoming)) |
| 01:47.01 | Quix86 | how would I erase the MBR of a drive with DD? |
| 01:47.15 | Quix86 | it involves overwriting the first few bits of the drive with 0s but I forgot which bits and how |
| 01:48.07 | Konomi | Quix86: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ |
| 01:48.15 | Konomi | not how to erase but I am sure that has the range of sectors |
| 01:48.53 | Quix86 | what happens if I copy an incorrect MBR? |
| 01:49.09 | Quix86 | right now the drive is having problems reading the partitions due to a drive error or some UEFI win8 related junk |
| 01:49.11 | Konomi | you'll probably have to rebuild the mbr with grub and a live cd ;p |
| 01:49.13 | Quix86 | I just want to nuke the thing |
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| 01:49.23 | Quix86 | also it's a secondary drive in my laptop right now |
| 01:49.29 | Quix86 | so I don't have to worry about booting from it |
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| 01:50.23 | pump | I have a problem with a partition. I mount it and can only see a lost+found directory. |
| 01:50.53 | Quix86 | pump it sounds like the partition is empty |
| 01:51.00 | pump | According to gparted, the data is there. But I can't access anything. Could it be a permission problem or I need to use a recovery software? |
| 01:51.36 | pump | I don't know if I made the problem worse, I ran fsck and it apparently fixed a bunch of errors. |
| 01:52.11 | Quix86 | pump is there anything inside the lost+found? |
| 01:52.20 | pump | no |
| 01:54.10 | pump | The little bit of hope that I have is that gparted shows as if the partition had data in it. |
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| 01:55.49 | pump | Should I start looking into recovery programs? |
| 01:56.53 | pump | Quix86, now it doesn't even show the lost+found. :S |
| 01:57.05 | Quix86 | what does dmesg say? |
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| 02:03.12 | pump | Quix86, is shouldn't have anything to do with permissions, should it? |
| 02:03.23 | Quix86 | pump I wouldn't know |
| 02:03.45 | pump | I'm trying with testdisk, but it doesn't display any files either. |
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| 02:21.19 | naptastic | I'm having a problem with kernel-package. I made a linux-headers .deb package and installed it on a different computer, and it fails to install with the error "Error! Your kernel headers for kernel (foo) cannot be found." |
| 02:21.29 | naptastic | It then suggests installing the linux-headers package for that kernel. |
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| 02:21.33 | naptastic | ...which is what I'm installing... |
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| 02:24.23 | drchaos | is Debian Wheezy Debian 7.0.0? |
| 02:24.25 | drchaos | oh |
| 02:24.26 | drchaos | nvm |
| 02:24.45 | drchaos | and yes, it is. See the /topic if you don't believe me |
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| 02:35.12 | reavengrey | hory shet |
| 02:35.17 | reavengrey | seven |
| 02:35.18 | reavengrey | point |
| 02:35.18 | reavengrey | oh |
| 02:35.32 | reavengrey | this must not be real life |
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| 02:37.35 | naptastic | reavengrey, where? |
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| 02:55.34 | linux2 | is there a way when I build a debian package that I can rename the binary files? I need to build a package that has the same files in it as another package but I don't want to replace the existing files from the other package. |
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| 02:55.51 | linux2 | mostly because the package I'm building doesn't completely replace all of the files in the older package |
| 02:56.14 | pipegeek | Hi, folks. I'm having a hell of a time getting preseeding to work for partman-auto, and I'm wondering if someone here can help. My expert_recipe (along with relevant screencaps) is here: http://paste.debian.net/8927/ |
| 02:56.20 | pipegeek | the problem seems to be that despite the presence of "format { }" in the swap partition declaration, the swap partition is set to "Keep". Note that there's no option to change this in the partition editing dialog. However, selecting "use as" and picking "swap area" again switches it to "f" and the install proceeds. |
| 02:56.28 | pipegeek | "K" obviously doesn't make sense since there's no swap area there, so it's failing to find it and throwing an error |
| 02:56.37 | pipegeek | I can't for the life of me see why this would be. Any thoughts? |
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| 03:05.54 | peterrooney | linux2: you might want to clarify to yourself what you're intending to do. it looks like you're asking for three headaches. If absolutely necessary, add a Conflicts: entry. |
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| 03:09.42 | linux2 | peterrooney: yeah, I'm trying to install xrandr1.4, but another package already provides it and I don't really want it to replace the file. I'd rather have xrandr1.4 just be /usr/bin/xrandr1.4 and then use alternatives to use that for the xrandr command |
| 03:10.43 | linux2 | peterrooney: unless you can think of a better way? I suppose replacing xrandr wouldn't really be a problem, but I can't get it to do that either. I built the package but it just says "Replaced by files in installed package..." when I install the package. |
| 03:10.51 | linux2 | is there any way to force it to overwrite? |
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| 03:12.48 | ImaLamer | you know, i've been here and forgot to ask my gnome/wheezy question |
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| 03:13.27 | ImaLamer | where do i need to start looking if Gnome3 is showing half the characters and rarely showing icons after moving to wheezy? |
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| 03:13.44 | lasthopesinyouu | http://broadconnection.bandcamp.com/ <- shits awesome..not spam..good music |
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| 03:14.46 | ImaLamer | the 'panel' area and so forth, it's pretty much black and the menu's are essentially invisible |
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| 03:19.06 | ImaLamer | and are web browsers like PC games now with memory and cpu usage? |
| 03:19.14 | ImaLamer | i'm chatty, sorry |
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| 04:15.30 | gez | Hi again. I asked a couple of hours ago about the broken search of applications in Debian Testing. Now I found that the search works only for the gnome core applications, but not for the other installed packages. |
| 04:15.55 | gez | Any pointers? It looks like something broke after today's gnome-shell updates |
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| 04:30.19 | boudiccas | i'm just setting up a virtual machine for the first time. i'm using vbox and have come to the page of 'create new hard disk/use existing hard disk'. I've got 75 gig spare for it so what should i choose please? |
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| 04:39.29 | well_laid_lawn | depends on what you want to do boudiccas - I'd suggest 10G as a minimum |
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| 04:39.55 | well_laid_lawn | you can set the virtual hard disk to expand as needed |
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| 04:40.48 | boudiccas | yes, but 10g of what? carved out of the unused spare capacity on my only h/d? or a virtual drive of 10g created on the drive exactly like truecrypt containers? |
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| 04:58.03 | FreezingCold | If I have a somewhat base Debian install, how often do packages in the base get updated? |
| 04:58.08 | FreezingCold | daily? weekly? |
| 04:58.52 | Blue1 | FreezingCold: prn -- as needed -- there really is no schedule. |
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| 04:59.10 | FreezingCold | well yeah I know, but obviously there's a general pattern. |
| 04:59.20 | FreezingCold | I'm coming from Arch Linux where it's every few minutes almost lol |
| 05:00.04 | Blue1 | nothing like that. |
| 05:00.21 | FreezingCold | more weekly? |
| 05:00.27 | Blue1 | generally |
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| 05:00.46 | Blue1 | afk |
| 05:00.50 | FreezingCold | thanks |
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| 05:06.00 | wz9 | hi, i am trying to compress a 3GB log file using LZMA on Debian 6, it keeps getting stuck...it normally takes 10-12 minutes on the machine that i am using, however now it can remain stuck for days on end...where do i look for logs on this? i have tried using lzma -v but nothing shows up on the screen...help! |
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| 05:07.31 | wz9 | LZMA SDK 4.43 |
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| 05:26.01 | zeroxia | Hi, can you view this site normally? http://fonts.debian.net/ |
| 05:26.17 | zeroxia | I think it's not exeucting the shell script as CGI program. |
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| 05:29.13 | phonejack | anybody's home? |
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| 05:30.43 | phonejack | debian has become deadbian? |
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| 05:30.55 | allorder | zeroxia: no |
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| 05:31.20 | Fr4n | phonejack would be helpful if you said what's the problem |
| 05:31.24 | Fr4n | idiot... |
| 05:31.52 | allorder | :> |
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| 05:37.51 | themill | zeroxia: admin of fonts.debian.net prodded -- thanks |
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| 05:39.22 | ClientAlive | I'm looking at a few different distros to use for my business server and I keep seeing debian as being most popular for that. I do have a few concerns though and was hoping to get some info tonight. |
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| 05:40.53 | ClientAlive | so... My system is uefi and I don't have any desire to do a BIOS install. How can I learn the real truth about Debian and uefi? Also, is there a resource that lists what packages are included in the stable release? |
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| 05:42.44 | themill | ClientAlive: there are 37000 packages so a list of all of them isn't that useful... but you will find package.debian.org is a good place to look. |
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| 05:44.22 | ClientAlive | not those packages, the ones in the core install. For instance, to answer questions such as: 'did debian move to systemd?' or 'does debian support uefi install?' and so on... |
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| 05:44.53 | ClientAlive | detailed information is, I guess, what I mean. |
| 05:45.06 | themill | well package lists aren't going to tell you that. Wheezy uses sysvinit and the wheezy installer should install on uefi for you (the release notes have more information on that) |
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| 06:17.03 | EspadaV8 | hi, i've just had to reboot a server and I am now getting an error attempting to start nfs - http://pastebin.com/29ATWHAu |
| 06:18.01 | EspadaV8 | i've tried searching around but i'm coming up empty |
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| 06:32.54 | conffrey | hi everybody |
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| 06:33.01 | conffrey | just installed stabel |
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| 06:33.05 | conffrey | stable |
| 06:33.16 | conffrey | debian 7.0 xfcfe |
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| 06:33.50 | conffrey | my wifi don't want to connect to any wireless network |
| 06:34.20 | nevyn | which wifi? |
| 06:34.26 | nevyn | does it even get recognised? |
| 06:34.31 | nevyn | did you install the firmware? |
| 06:34.39 | conffrey | the wifi Broadcom 4313 works fine, as root I can do "iwlist wlan1 scan" and it displays all woreless networks |
| 06:35.29 | nevyn | !bcw4313 |
| 06:35.41 | nevyn | !bc43 |
| 06:35.41 | conffrey | from the panel icon, when I tried to connect, nothing happens, and a dialog box appears say something like Connection terminated (it's in Italian, I suppose this is the meaning) |
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| 06:36.06 | conffrey | !bc43 |
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| 06:36.15 | conffrey | !bc43 what? |
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| 06:37.00 | nevyn | !brcmsmac |
| 06:37.00 | dpkg | brcmsmac (brcm80211 prior to Linux 2.6.39) is an open source <mac80211> driver, supporting 802.11n PCIe devices based on Broadcom <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> chips. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 06:38.21 | conffrey | nevyn, I said, the device works fine, I installed all kernel firmware, iwlist from terminal gives an exact result |
| 06:38.37 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 06:39.03 | conffrey | the problem, I don't know what, is elsewhere |
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| 06:40.06 | conffrey | I tried with a wifi usb pen, a Dikom (ZD1211), it's works fine too regarding iwconfig and iwlist, but I can't connect to wifi network |
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| 06:40.56 | nevyn | how are you trying to connect? |
| 06:41.00 | nevyn | using networkmanager? |
| 06:41.51 | conffrey | I have network manager installed |
| 06:42.09 | conffrey | I simply have just installed Debian stable, then I installed all firmware |
| 06:42.40 | conffrey | network-manager is working, I can connect automatically with my android phone, by tethering usb |
| 06:42.54 | conffrey | using xfce desktop applet |
| 06:42.59 | conffrey | but |
| 06:43.10 | Blue1 | conffrey: there are wireless connection issues with network mangler hang a sec |
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| 06:43.15 | conffrey | if I try to connect to wifi, it doesn't work |
| 06:43.49 | Blue1 | conffrey: correct the problem is network mangler |
| 06:43.56 | Blue1 | conffrey: try this: http://pkill-9.com/stabilizing-atheros-ar9485-ath9k-connection-linux-wheezy/ |
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| 06:47.02 | conffrey | Blue1, thank you for your searching, but I prefere to use standard network interface, I don't want to try other software stuff like wicd or else |
| 06:47.30 | Blue1 | conffrey: good luck - network mangler has known issues with wifi. |
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| 06:48.18 | conffrey | the devices are working, network-manager daemon is working, wifi wireless networks are discovered, why doesn't it work? |
| 06:48.21 | peterrooney | Seriously, the only time I see network manager mentioned is as a source of a network problem - never as a solution. |
| 06:48.32 | conffrey | Blue1, but what's "mangler" ? |
| 06:48.45 | ectospasm | conffrey: Blue1's attempt to be cute. |
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| 06:49.12 | Blue1 | conffrey: it is what network manager does to networks -- it mangles them |
| 06:49.26 | ectospasm | network-manager works for me, but I'm using Sid. |
| 06:49.35 | conffrey | ah, excuse, my English is not so deep |
| 06:49.54 | peterrooney | ectospasm: What is your use case? |
| 06:49.58 | conffrey | ectospasm, is sid stable enough? |
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| 06:50.23 | ectospasm | peterrooney: what do you mean? |
| 06:50.25 | ectospasm | conffrey: no |
| 06:50.39 | ectospasm | conffrey: if you have to ask, the answer is no |
| 06:50.59 | conffrey | ectospasm, can I install network-manager only form sid? |
| 06:51.03 | conffrey | from sid? |
| 06:51.07 | peterrooney | ectospasm: what are you doing such that network-manager is not screwing up your system. |
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| 06:51.13 | ectospasm | conffrey: you'd probably want to do it from backports |
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| 06:51.31 | ectospasm | peterrooney: nothing, just using nm as installed. |
| 06:51.43 | conffrey | oh ok, backports, but are they avalaible for stable (wheezy) ? |
| 06:51.50 | ectospasm | I find it doesn't work so well with buggy Cisco/Linksys Wifi routers. |
| 06:52.42 | Blue1 | indeed |
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| 06:53.53 | master_j | i never had any issues with network-manager |
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| 06:54.13 | master_j | it doesn't work so well with buggy routers -- hmm :p i wonder why |
| 06:54.14 | Blue1 | master_j: it seems to fall apart on wireless |
| 06:54.33 | ectospasm | Blue1: my experience mostly disagrees with you. |
| 06:54.35 | master_j | weird, that's what i used it for. with a wired connection there is no need for it, in my case. |
| 06:54.48 | peterrooney | My use case is either servers at work (with static IPs) or a desktop at home (dhcp from router). Former don't need GUIs at all. |
| 06:55.01 | ectospasm | the one time it caused me issues, I filed a bug report because of a segfault. |
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| 06:56.05 | bimodh | i need a help |
| 06:56.10 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 06:56.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:56.13 | Blue1 | conffrey: look at this: http://qa.debian.org/data/bts/graphs/n/network-manager.png |
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| 06:56.43 | peterrooney | Latter, for example, while checking out some gnome-related package, n-m gets pulled in and then my machine becomes unuseable either right away or after an X logout/login |
| 06:56.51 | bimodh | how can i enable ppp logging to /var/log/messages |
| 06:57.17 | ectospasm | peterrooney: you can pin network-manager to keep it from being installed... |
| 06:57.31 | conffrey | ectospasm |
| 06:57.42 | conffrey | ectospasm, I tried tu use pinning this days |
| 06:57.43 | peterrooney | ectospasm: so, your good fortune is rare and weird. |
| 06:57.48 | conffrey | never did it |
| 06:57.58 | bimodh | guys |
| 06:58.02 | bimodh | any help?? |
| 06:58.31 | ectospasm | peterrooney: I highly doubt that, or else an alternative solution would be the default. |
| 06:58.37 | bimodh | application log to a particular file |
| 06:58.40 | bimodh | how to |
| 06:58.49 | master_j | be patient bimodh |
| 06:58.51 | ectospasm | bimodh: depends on the application |
| 06:58.59 | Blue1 | night folks I turn into a pumpkin at midnight |
| 06:59.04 | conffrey | can you help me about? after configuring all sourcer.list, and preferences, I couldn't install form unstable repository, an error occured about atp.conf (default release not as source or something else) |
| 06:59.32 | conffrey | I wanot to use compiz too |
| 06:59.38 | ectospasm | conffrey: don't mix packages from unstable unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 06:59.53 | bimodh | sorry for my impatience |
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| 07:00.03 | conffrey | ectospasm, I'd like to try, I wanto compiz desktop |
| 07:00.05 | bimodh | i am using ppp |
| 07:00.18 | conffrey | only compiz, |
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| 07:00.31 | bimodh | and i am trying to connect through serial port ttyUSB1 |
| 07:00.47 | bimodh | but i am not getting the log's |
| 07:00.59 | bimodh | and i could not enable the verbose too |
| 07:01.13 | bimodh | what to do for seeing the logs? |
| 07:01.13 | conffrey | I'm installing wicd, how may I disable nm at boot, using wicd instead? |
| 07:01.17 | master_j | conffrey why are you asking about network manager then |
| 07:01.20 | bimodh | any idea? |
| 07:01.31 | ectospasm | bimodh: ppp looks like it logs to /var/log/syslog |
| 07:01.46 | ectospasm | ...judging by /etc/ppp/options |
| 07:01.51 | ectospasm | (on my system, YMMV) |
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| 07:02.00 | master_j | there were 2 solutions presented to your earlier to install compiz did you try those? |
| 07:02.21 | conffrey | master_j, I just choosed to leave nm, I don't want to spent more than 15 minutes each problem... :) |
| 07:02.30 | master_j | hah! good luck with that |
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| 07:03.18 | peterrooney | ectospasm: the alternative solution is, for me, not using network-manager. I guess you could say the ifupdown package. |
| 07:03.32 | master_j | if you don't want to spend more than 15 minutes getting compiz to work, better to not install compiz. |
| 07:03.37 | master_j | try kde or something. |
| 07:03.42 | ectospasm | peterrooney: yes, but using wpasupplicant is decidedly nontrivial from the CLI |
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| 07:03.55 | bimodh | let me chk it out |
| 07:04.53 | voxadam | What is the current prefered console based IRC client? Are most people still running irssi? |
| 07:05.19 | ectospasm | voxadam: I'm using weechat |
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| 07:05.43 | ectospasm | according to the Linux Journal article published this month, it's more "user friendly" |
| 07:05.47 | voxadam | I forgot about WeeChat. |
| 07:05.52 | master_j | weechat! |
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| 07:06.07 | ectospasm | but use what you want to use |
| 07:06.17 | master_j | i'd recommend the newer release from the weechat website though |
| 07:06.19 | ectospasm | there is no default CLI IRC client |
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| 07:07.23 | voxadam | I know there's no default. I was asking what people preferd.. |
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| 07:07.33 | confrey | hi everybody again |
| 07:07.40 | confrey | ah ah |
| 07:07.54 | confrey | just installed wicd, Broadcom device works fine |
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| 07:07.58 | confrey | thanks all |
| 07:08.02 | peterrooney | ectospasm: I don't use wireless. The occasional wireless card I test using wicd |
| 07:08.03 | master_j | confrey : i've probably spent _weeks_ configuring compiz, it's not very fun. |
| 07:08.11 | master_j | :P |
| 07:08.25 | ectospasm | peterrooney: kinda hard to use a laptop without wireless (-; |
| 07:08.35 | confrey | master_j, thanks for suggesting, I'm ready to spent some days too |
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| 07:08.46 | confrey | but |
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| 07:10.24 | confrey | I inserted the backports line in sources.list |
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| 07:10.47 | confrey | but in synaptics I don't see packages to be updated, like libreoffice |
| 07:10.59 | master_j | ok |
| 07:11.10 | confrey | how can I install from wheezy-backports? can I do it from synaptic? |
| 07:11.22 | master_j | no, it's not in wheezy-backports |
| 07:11.32 | ectospasm | confrey: you have to tell synaptics that you want to search backports... I don't use synaptics, so I can't tell you. |
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| 07:12.01 | master_j | you'll have to install it from sid or squeeze (not recommended by debian) or 1) Add a deb-src line for sid(not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions |
| 07:12.03 | master_j | newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 07:12.32 | master_j | (build it from source) |
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| 07:12.55 | voxadam | Isn't there a cat/less/more that can read gzip compressed log files? |
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| 07:13.13 | ectospasm | voxadam: zcat, zless... |
| 07:13.20 | voxadam | That's it. |
| 07:13.21 | voxadam | THanks. |
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| 07:14.39 | confrey | !bdo |
| 07:14.39 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable and oldstable distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 07:14.43 | peterrooney | voxadam: most |
| 07:15.08 | confrey | !backports caveat |
| 07:15.08 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
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| 07:15.27 | confrey | !version chasing |
| 07:15.27 | dpkg | A higher version number does not mean that it's better, just newer. Debian's <stable> release might not have the latest packages, but it has packages that have been tested and bugfixed; for selected packages, you can use backports.debian.org. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos. Ask me about <debian-backports>. Tell us what you're doing isn't just <sns syndrome>. |
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| 07:16.05 | ectospasm | confrey: next time, run /msg dpkg backports, or /msg dpkg version chasing |
| 07:16.12 | ectospasm | to avoid channel spam |
| 07:16.32 | confrey | ectospasm, oh, excuse me all |
| 07:16.48 | confrey | I'm not expert about this tools... |
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| 07:17.50 | confrey | ectospasm, don't work |
| 07:18.21 | confrey | thanks all you, I need to leave now |
| 07:18.23 | confrey | bye |
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| 07:30.36 | staar2 | hello rsync pros, i got problem that the rsync does not delete the files in destination dir |
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| 07:31.01 | rryoumaa | given the backport caveat about vulnerabilities, which is better, to use backports or to use testing when testing becomes stable enough? |
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| 07:32.08 | themill | rryoumaa: backports is generally pretty well looked after but both suffer from that. testing-security is also problematic and testing is going to be less stable (in the unchanging sense) than stable+backports |
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| 07:33.09 | themill | rryoumaa: my "stable enough" critereon is the freeze -- most of my machines get upgraded to testing around about the time of the freeze (some a bit before, some a few months after, it depends on what they do) |
| 07:35.26 | rryoumaa | when you say "testing-security", what do you mean? |
| 07:35.42 | rryoumaa | do you mean the security of testing? |
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| 07:36.02 | themill | security support for the testing release. It's practically non-existent until just prior to release. |
| 07:36.58 | rryoumaa | themill: ah good to know. so backport has some? |
| 07:37.26 | themill | [fixes come in as new upstream versions, come in via unstable, might spend a few days in unstable before you get them, might get stuck in amongst a giant transition and not get to testing for quite a while (at which point someone might upload something to testing directly to solve that problem)] |
| 07:37.28 | rryoumaa | i'd think testing would be the better if not, because it would get updated more frequently |
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| 07:38.17 | themill | rryoumaa: the security team doesn't look after backports directly either. But problems are normally addressed quickly there too |
| 07:38.27 | rryoumaa | thanks |
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| 07:42.04 | Iridos | staar2, seems to work a treat here |
| 07:42.18 | twinkie_addict | hi and good morning |
| 07:42.47 | Iridos | err |
| 07:42.54 | Iridos | staar2, remove the * |
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| 07:43.36 | Iridos | staar2, and read up on bash and wildcards and (i.e. when they are expanded) |
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| 08:01.10 | aswen | hi there, who knows which process it is that is started by gnome that watches for external storage and automounts it? (and i doubt it's automounter) |
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| 08:02.40 | ChrisH | automounter does not do that. |
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| 08:03.00 | ectospasm | gnome vfs may do that |
| 08:03.21 | aswen | ectospasm, vfs? hmmm let's see what that is... |
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| 08:05.59 | aswen | reason I ask is that I run i3 window manager and that hasn't got such a nice tool (it lacks quite some nice tools that i borrow from gnome ;-) |
| 08:06.42 | aswen | so i want to start that same process (and vfs seems to be a good hint!) at startup of my i3 desktop |
| 08:08.01 | ectospasm | can you use the i3wm in conjunction with GNOME? I know I used to do the same with XMonad (now with Xfce4 instead of GNOME) |
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| 08:08.27 | klys_ | gnome-session |
| 08:08.39 | aswen | ectospasm, yeah, I run a lot of gnome programs in my i3 environment |
| 08:08.44 | aswen | works great |
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| 08:09.03 | no_gravity | Hello! Anybody here using Debian 7 with gnome? |
| 08:09.42 | aswen | it's just things like the keyring I don't get running ok. but for example nm-applet, glipper, bluetooth thing, volume tool, etc |
| 08:09.51 | aswen | they all run perfectly in i3 |
| 08:09.55 | aswen | and i3 is awesome |
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| 08:10.09 | aswen | klys_, what do you mean? |
| 08:10.46 | tecna | hello everyone...i have installed debian kde directly from the iso in my system...my touchpad isn't working...please help |
| 08:10.49 | klys_ | gnome-session &; blackbox; if only &; really worked |
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| 08:12.49 | ectospasm | aswen: i3 is not awesome, it is i3 (-; |
| 08:12.59 | ectospasm | ,v awesome |
| 08:13.01 | judd | Package: awesome on i386 -- squeeze: 3.4.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1; jessie: 3.4.15-1; sid: 3.4.15-1; experimental: 3.5.1-1 |
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| 08:13.20 | klys_ | tecna do you have the kernel touchscreen driver module loaded |
| 08:14.24 | tecna1 | i'am very new to this so i don't know if the module is there or not |
| 08:14.29 | tecna1 | how do i check? |
| 08:14.41 | klys_ | lsmod |
| 08:14.54 | ectospasm | first find the name of the module you need, then search lsmod output |
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| 08:20.01 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone using Debian 7 with gnome? |
| 08:20.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses Debian 7 with gnome, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:20.16 | Iridos | no_gravity, seems not |
| 08:20.26 | ectospasm | heh |
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| 08:21.11 | Iridos | also... |
| 08:21.15 | Iridos | dpkg, tell no_gravity about polls |
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| 08:21.31 | no_gravity | Iridos: yeah. i tried yesterday in freenode.#debian and today in freenode.#debian and #debian.debian and not a single person uses it. looks they completely fucked up with gnome 3. personally, i still like it in classic mode. |
| 08:21.51 | Iridos | well, I use it |
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| 08:22.46 | no_gravity | Iridos: you get those popups asking you for your root password from time to time? |
| 08:22.49 | Iridos | and probably thousands of others do |
| 08:22.50 | Iridos | no |
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| 08:23.09 | no_gravity | Iridos: really? i have a default debian 7 installation on 2 machines and both come up with them. |
| 08:23.34 | Iridos | that's probably for package upgrades |
| 08:23.54 | Iridos | gnome2 used to do that... haven't seen it in gnome-shell, tho (and good riddance) |
| 08:24.10 | no_gravity | Iridos: you are running gnome shell? im using the classic mode. |
| 08:24.37 | Iridos | there's a classic mode? |
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| 08:24.51 | no_gravity | Iridos: during login you can choose |
| 08:25.16 | Iridos | my last login was probably months ago :) |
| 08:25.17 | no_gravity | oh, but one of the machines runs gnome-shell and it also gets the updates. |
| 08:25.37 | no_gravity | Iridos: so im confused, why you dont get them. how does your system prompt you when it wants to update packages? |
| 08:26.06 | Iridos | it doesn't |
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| 08:26.36 | no_gravity | Iridos: it doesnt update or it doesnt ask you before doing it? |
| 08:26.43 | Iridos | both |
| 08:26.56 | Iridos | it's roots job to update |
| 08:27.05 | Iridos | nuffin to do with a user |
| 08:27.07 | klys_ | MSFT upgrades Java and reboots from the background. |
| 08:27.51 | no_gravity | Iridos: well i run a default installation and i get the popups. |
| 08:28.01 | Iridos | hmp. actually now it doesn't even pop up anything when I plug in a usb stick.... seems automount broke somehow |
| 08:28.12 | Iridos | it does give the popup *after* I mounted with pmount, though |
| 08:28.15 | Iridos | which is annoying |
| 08:29.26 | themill | no_gravity: there's not really any such things as a "default installation" -- what did you actually install? |
| 08:31.30 | jelly | (which tasks) |
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| 08:56.23 | jelly | reboot button in my kde4 on wheezy does nothing! |
| 08:56.39 | themill | win! |
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| 08:58.36 | babilen | .oO( kwin? ) |
| 08:58.50 | sussudio | there goes my uptime. |
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| 08:59.31 | ectospasm | uptime it s a sham unless you mean for servers. |
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| 08:59.56 | sussudio | i was at 1450 days. |
| 09:00.15 | themill | and mine is this long too |
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| 09:00.42 | babbo3 | ciao |
| 09:00.46 | babbo3 | !list |
| 09:00.46 | sussudio | linux 2.25 starts to act a bit odd after a few 497 day rollovers, though. |
| 09:00.46 | dpkg | babbo3: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 09:01.15 | babbo3 | ciao |
| 09:01.18 | babilen | sussudio: Oh, I am sure you missed out on a couple of very important kernel updates there. Do you have any particular reason for trying to run a system with security problems? |
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| 09:02.02 | sussudio | babilen: it's old and all it does is act like a router. |
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| 09:05.10 | Iridos | pft. kernel updates are for sissies. |
| 09:05.16 | babilen | sussudio: I am not surprised that it is old, but you should try to keep every system well maintained. Delaying updates because a system is "not important" or, even more ridiculous, because it has a high uptime is just a very bad habit. |
| 09:05.20 | beardy | And sussies. |
| 09:05.28 | babilen | Either way, lets move on ... |
| 09:05.38 | babilen | (sorry, but I couldn't resist) |
| 09:05.41 | Iridos | right. let's discuss the weather :P |
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| 09:05.49 | beardy | !sussudio |
| 09:05.49 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, beardy! |
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| 09:06.02 | beardy | !sing sussudio |
| 09:06.03 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 09:06.14 | sussudio | !fist beardy |
| 09:06.26 | babilen | Drop it, now. Thanks. |
| 09:07.57 | Iridos | keeps digging a bit more why automounting stopped to do anything... but seems it's a maze of not-too-nice tools doing it |
| 09:09.04 | themill | Iridos: the short answer is "udisks", the long answer is a list of dbus calls |
| 09:09.24 | Iridos | I got as far as udisks |
| 09:09.32 | Iridos | but got tangled up in the dbus calls |
| 09:09.37 | Iridos | seems just nothing does them |
| 09:09.52 | Iridos | seems gvfsd should be doing them, but doesn't |
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| 09:10.57 | Iridos | or maybe something else should |
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| 09:11.29 | JeffJohnson | Howdy |
| 09:12.25 | JeffJohnson | If I don't override the dh_strip target in my debian package rules file to pass the --dbg-package=$pkgname parameter to dh_flag, the -dbg package is empty. Is this really required or do I something wrong?:) |
| 09:13.18 | babilen | JeffJohnson: I'd take that question to #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 09:13.50 | Silent | Hi |
| 09:14.14 | Silent | Doe Debian being server-oriented make it less suitable for desktop usage? |
| 09:14.44 | beardy | Silent: No. The orientation is whichever way you are facing yourself. |
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| 09:15.38 | beardy | Silent: In other words, it is the universal operating system, which is true. |
| 09:15.54 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 09:17.45 | babilen | Silent: Not at all and Debian is also not explicitly server oriented. It is simply being recommended in a server setting due to a number of factors. |
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| 09:18.51 | ChrisH | Silent: I use it for everything. most times stable on Server and older Desktop Systems. unstable or testing for newer Laptops if needed. |
| 09:19.05 | JeffJohnson | babilen: ok thx |
| 09:19.05 | babilen | Silent: But the best thing you can (and should!) do is to try Debian and other distributions and simply pick the one you like best and the one that matches your requirements most closely. I can assure you that Debian is a good pick and you should be aware that there are multiple ways in which you can configure and maintain your system. |
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| 09:19.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell Silent -about install debian |
| 09:19.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell Silent -about firmware image |
| 09:19.32 | JeffJohnson | babilen: already found in the answer in the debugpackage howto :) |
| 09:19.39 | babilen | JeffJohnson: Ah, even better :) |
| 09:20.19 | babilen | JeffJohnson: But generally speaking: Ask packaging questions in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org and not here if you want an authorative/good answer. |
| 09:20.31 | JeffJohnson | babilen: ok |
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| 09:21.10 | Iridos | oh dear. perhaps I'm better off scraping all that DM stuff and just get something like afuse |
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| 09:22.11 | beardy | Holy fsck. antgel |
| 09:23.10 | ChrisH | Anyone using ZFS on Linux as shown here http://zfsonlinux.org/debian.html and could give some experience on production readiness? Preferred compared to Solaris ZFS. |
| 09:23.13 | Iridos | a gel made from ants? |
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| 09:23.48 | thechef | cronjob sends mails to the users mailbox. Which is the best way to receive these mails on a remote system? |
| 09:24.36 | ChrisH | thechef: man cron check for MAILTO and setup MTA |
| 09:25.13 | ChrisH | thechef: echo "user@some.remote.domain" > ~user/.forward needs a working MTA, too. |
| 09:26.45 | zisolima | asking people who used gnome2 on squeeze: what do you use now on wheezy? |
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| 09:28.53 | babilen | zisolima: pick whatever you like best: Some people happily use Gnome 3 after some time, others switch to XFCE, LXDE or KDE. Some switch to window managers like awesome, fluxbox or openbox. -- This, however, shouldn't dictate your choice. Pick whatever works for you! |
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| 09:29.08 | errorist | openvas missing in wheezy repos |
| 09:30.01 | babilen | errorist: Correct |
| 09:30.19 | babilen | errorist: Well, there is no "openvas" package, but yeah ... |
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| 09:30.47 | thechef | ChrisH: okay, thanks - I will try to configure an MTA. |
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| 09:32.32 | zisolima | thanks babilen |
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| 09:35.27 | babilen | zisolima: Honestly: Take a look at the websites of the projects I mentioned, watch some videos and give those that appeal to you a try. We (i.e. people in #debian) really can't know what *you* would like. If you very much like to stay with Gnome2 you might want to consider XFCE or, even, consider running testing with cinnamon. (the latter approach, naturally, means that you have to deal with all the idiosyncrasies of testing) |
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| 09:42.35 | zisolima | I liked gnome 2 because it was fast, stable and complete. Now I have a toy, not a DE, and it's also a bit slower, so my point is to find something stable, fast and complete: I didn't understand if KDE is fast and if XFCE is complete |
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| 09:45.40 | well_laid_lawn | get a tiler |
| 09:45.54 | well_laid_lawn | everyone does eventually |
| 09:46.45 | tecna1 | I have installed debian kde...my touchpad isn't working...please help |
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| 09:47.15 | well_laid_lawn | tecna1: you can check the X log to see what's up with it |
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| 09:47.39 | no_gravity | I found a bugreport related to the authentication window: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708548 |
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| 09:48.24 | Silent | Thanks for your help guys |
| 09:48.44 | Silent | My internet connection failed |
| 09:49.01 | tecna1 | I am very new to this. Could you please tell me how to do that |
| 09:49.20 | Silent | Basically I want to use the rolling releade debian on my laptop. Is it intended for daily use? |
| 09:49.59 | histo | Silent: no it's unstable |
| 09:50.00 | well_laid_lawn | tecna1: the logs are in /var/log - you want to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:50.31 | Silent | How unstable? |
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| 09:50.40 | Silent | histo Does that mean it will crash on me every half an hour? |
| 09:50.50 | well_laid_lawn | tecna1: near the bottom it should mention the touchpad |
| 09:50.52 | histo | Silent: it means it's unstable |
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| 09:51.01 | histo | dpkg: tell Silent about unstable |
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| 09:51.13 | daniell | hi |
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| 09:52.47 | Silent | Aha |
| 09:52.54 | tecna1 | Xorg.0.log is there. What should I do now? |
| 09:52.57 | Silent | What's the unstable release for in so? |
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| 09:53.08 | daniell | I'm fiddling with drbd on Wheezy, and am curious about why there are no drbd* devices under my /dev. Udev is running, the rule file (/lib/udev/rules.d/65-drbd.rules) is in place, the drbd module is loaded, but no /dev/drbd directory nor drbd* device files with major 147. |
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| 09:53.26 | histo | Silent: it's for development of the next testing release... unstable > testing > stable |
| 09:53.34 | histo | Silent: kind of |
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| 09:54.39 | babilen | Silent: "stable" in Debian means "not changing" and has very little to do with "usable" or "bug free" -- If you consider running testing you might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and discuss this in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- You probably want to use a setup right now that allows you to pull packages from unstable as the need arises. See <tum> for information about that. (/msg dpkg tum) |
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| 09:55.28 | Silent | I doubt I will actually need unstable pacakges, what I find attractive is teh fact that it's rolling release. |
| 09:55.39 | babilen | Silent: Either way: The way to install this system is to install <wheezy> first and then upgrade to testing. |
| 09:56.14 | Silent | I really want tolling release but don't want to mess with gentoo/arch. I have configured gentoo before, but I don't want to do it again at this stage/ |
| 09:56.25 | babilen | Silent: testing is not a rolling release (it is, for example, frozen sometimes) |
| 09:56.39 | Silent | Oh that's bad |
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| 09:57.18 | tecna1 | well_laid_lawn: Xorg.0.log is there. What should I do now? |
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| 09:57.56 | babilen | Silent: It is not frozen at the moment and we have a *huge* discussion about our release procedure right now. I wouldn't let that decide what to use. If you consider to run testing you *have* to accept the fact that you will have to learn about Debian, its packaging system and many other things. |
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| 09:58.28 | Silent | I'm familiar with debian |
| 09:58.38 | Silent | I'm not an expert, but I'm definitely familiar |
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| 09:59.12 | well_laid_lawn | tecna1: you can put it on a pastebin and I'll have a look |
| 09:59.15 | nevyn | have you ever had to type "Yes, I understand this action may break my computer requireing a reinstall"? |
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| 09:59.33 | babilen | Silent: It will also be quite some time before the next freeze -- If you are interested in trying that then, please, go ahead and dive right in. You probably want to read up on maintainer scripts and learn about ways to debug those in case something goes wrong. Please also read the wiki article I pointed out earlier, but *at least* remember that testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) and that you should ... |
| 09:59.39 | babilen | ... install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
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| 09:59.57 | Silent | nebyn Yes, with some GPU drivers I think |
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| 10:00.24 | Silent | babilen Could you suggest something that will suit me mroe? |
| 10:00.35 | tecna1 | well_laid_lawn: ok |
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| 10:05.06 | daniell | ah nevermind... |
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| 10:05.26 | well_laid_lawn | ok |
| 10:05.36 | babilen | Silent: I *am* suggesting to try a testing/unstable mix, but I will not pretend that it is without problems. (every changing system has changing problems) -- I still consider it a saner approach than a lot of other systems or distributions. But in the end, it is about you. Do *you* like it? But you cannot answer that without having tried it. I happily run unstable on my box, but I wouldn't recommend that unconditionally. |
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| 10:06.31 | Silent | I see |
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| 10:11.43 | fluffybunnyuk_ | hi i was checking my drive and i found this "Partial RELRO Canary found NX enabled DSO No RPATH No RUNPATH /usr/lib/libiberty.so" |
| 10:11.49 | babilen | Silent: I would simply recommend to familiarise yourself a little with that setup and discuss it in our testing/unstable channel (#debian-next) where you will find a number of Debian Developers and Maintainers that are not necessarily helping here and where testing/unstable are explicitly supported. (as opposed to here) |
| 10:11.51 | fluffybunnyuk_ | i thought libiberty wasnt a .so ? |
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| 10:29.21 | tecna | well_laid_lawn: http://pastebin.com/HxHrM6Rt |
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| 10:30.18 | well_laid_lawn | tecna: that took a while ;) |
| 10:31.29 | tecna | well_laid_lawn:sorry for that..:) |
| 10:31.33 | well_laid_lawn | tecna: [ 5136.555] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found - bottom line |
| 10:32.18 | tecna | what to do? |
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| 10:32.26 | well_laid_lawn | tecna: you'll have to check your kde config for it |
| 10:32.46 | well_laid_lawn | I don't use kde but it should be able to set it up |
| 10:33.09 | well_laid_lawn | X sees it |
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| 10:34.32 | om26er | Hi! I created a local repo (with just one package) and I am trying to give it a higher apt priority but failing to do so. the repository content and the pref content are here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5741517/ |
| 10:34.38 | om26er | could anyone tell what I am doing wrong |
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| 10:35.26 | tecna | which configuration file should I check? |
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| 10:36.29 | well_laid_lawn | tecna: doesn't kde have gui's for the touchpad |
| 10:36.33 | well_laid_lawn | in the menu |
| 10:36.36 | well_laid_lawn | ? |
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| 10:37.45 | tecna | well_laid_lawn: this is the first time i am using kde...ok i m checking. |
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| 10:38.47 | well_laid_lawn | tecna: sorry didn't realise you were that new. kde has gui's for configuring just about everything afaik |
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| 10:39.59 | tecna | ok |
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| 10:40.26 | ChrisH | om26er: Can you see the package from there using apt-cache policy ? Or is the repo setup itself fine? |
| 10:41.30 | om26er | ChrisH, yes, the local repo is working http://paste.ubuntu.com/5741537/ just the priority is not |
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| 10:43.04 | babilen | dpkg: ubuntuirc om26er |
| 10:43.05 | dpkg | om26er: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 10:43.46 | babilen | om26er: And you asked there already -- Please do not cross-post into #debian. We quite explicitly only support Debian and Debian users in here for a number of technical and social reasons. |
| 10:43.47 | om26er | babilen, ubuntu uses debian, and dpkg is part of debian so doesn't really matter if I ask in ubuntu channels or debian |
| 10:43.57 | om26er | ah |
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| 10:50.16 | rb2k | is there a way to point apt-get build-up at a local "debian" folder ? |
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| 10:50.46 | rb2k | so it installs the dependencies listed in the debian control file |
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| 10:54.15 | babilen | rb2k: build-up? Can't think of a way to achieve what you are trying to achieve though. Might want to ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aba irc.oftc.net) |
| 10:54.20 | themill | dpkg: tell rb2k about mk-build-deps |
| 10:54.33 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 10:55.33 | babilen | themill: I *knew* that investigating tools in devscripts over and over again is worth it, but still missed this gem |
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| 10:57.35 | rb2k | thanks babilen , this might work |
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| 11:03.04 | tgs3 | building new, super sercure debian \o/ |
| 11:03.18 | tgs3 | anyone would like to join in and test or review a bit? we start with improved kernel |
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| 11:10.17 | wakd | Just FYI re discussion here yesterday about a unexpected dialog that pops up requesting root password for package updates in gnome 3. No-one here was running gnome, I don't either but by chance a few mins ago I was using it and took these screenshots showing the popup and also where to to disable it. http://i.imgur.com/b05zkUD.png http://i.imgur.com/XnKQ2xR.png http://i.imgur.com/jMT8Ld6.png |
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| 11:18.49 | babilen | wakd: What's the problem with that? If you want to use sudo then you have to configure gksu's gconf setting. You can run gksu-properties or set it directly with, say, "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode true" |
| 11:18.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell wakd -about sudoers |
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| 11:19.40 | wakd | babilen: I dont have a problem. But there was a long discussion here yesterday. |
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| 11:22.13 | wakd | Some people felt it would be easy to fake a dialog that looked like that, and/or it was an unwise default to be creating a habit of typing root password by less security-conscious users. |
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| 11:22.22 | wakd | I'm just providing pictures :) |
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| 11:23.11 | nkuttler | wakd: if somebody gets access to your box and can install gui apps you run it's too late to worry anyway.. |
| 11:24.49 | wakd | I was not one of the people with an opinion. But no-one in the discussion had a mental image, or knew how to disable it. So, I'm providing the pics. End of story for me. |
| 11:24.53 | greenmang0 | can anybody help me with this error - http://paste.debian.net/8982/? - |
| 11:25.05 | greenmang0 | I was trying to dist-upgrade lenny to latest-stable |
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| 11:25.57 | greenmang0 | people solved the issue by putting LSB headers in /etc/init.d/scriptname |
| 11:26.00 | huglester | greenmang0: best is lenny> squeeze > wheezy. I always do that way |
| 11:26.01 | nonconvergent | Why would something be in squeeze and sid but not wheezy or jessie? |
| 11:26.11 | ChrisH | greenmang0: dist-upgrade in one step? |
| 11:26.12 | huglester | greenmang0: I even managed to update Debian 3.0 to 6.0 remotely with no troubles |
| 11:26.20 | greenmang0 | but in my case headers are already present |
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| 11:27.37 | greenmang0 | ChrisH: what do you mean by one step? this is what i did - 1) update 2) safe-upgrade 3) replace all "lenny" with "stable" in source.list 4) update 5) safe-upgrade 6) dist-upgrade |
| 11:27.38 | ChrisH | nonconvergent: changes in licenses or release critical issues not allowing to use the upstream package while freezing the status or ... check BTS for specific details. |
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| 11:28.16 | greenmang0 | huglester: ok |
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| 11:28.48 | ChrisH | greenmang0: You should only update one releases. So do a two step update as huglester showed: lenny> squeeze > wheezy ( IIRC this is the only supported way) |
| 11:28.58 | nonconvergent | cruxeternus: looks like this one http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654939 |
| 11:29.04 | nonconvergent | er ChrisH |
| 11:29.05 | greenmang0 | ChrisH: ok |
| 11:29.06 | wakd | nkuttler: maybe a popup on a malicious website could appear similar enough to fool someone? |
| 11:29.37 | nkuttler | wakd: well, there's no protection from stupid |
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| 11:30.16 | nkuttler | wakd: and having a user password for a remote box behind a consumer router doesn't sound very useful anyway |
| 11:30.47 | greenmang0 | ChrisH: didn't help - same error :( |
| 11:30.49 | nkuttler | wakd: but such a user would probably download and "install" the cute kitten screensaver.. |
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| 11:32.19 | wakd | nkuttler: sure, I didnt come here to argue :) its the root password by the way |
| 11:32.57 | babilen | greenmang0: You most likely broke your system. Upgrades that skip one major release are not supported at all. The sensible way to do this is to upgrade to "squeeze" before you upgrade to "wheezy". The procedure is detailed in the release notes of each release. See <squeeze release notes> and <lenny->squeeze> and <release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy> respectively. |
| 11:33.18 | babilen | greenmang0: You also really shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list and you should follow the official installation instructions. |
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| 11:34.37 | greenmang0 | babilen: ok, thanks for the info, so you mean there's no way i can fix this? like going back to squeeze or something? |
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| 11:35.30 | babilen | greenmang0: Not entirely sure, but I am, unfortunately off to lunch right now. We can discuss it later or you can see how to rescue your system. (no idea how much you upgraded already) |
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| 11:35.57 | babilen | greenmang0: But what you've did is really not supported and was never supposed to work. Are you sure that those init scripts come with Debian? |
| 11:36.00 | voxadam | What's the easiest way to upgrade from stable to testing? I don't have a GUI installed, console only. |
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| 11:36.37 | greenmang0 | babilen: what do you mean by "come with Debian" ? i didn't install any custom packages |
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| 11:36.55 | greenmang0 | babilen: just using whatever comes with debian |
| 11:37.36 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell voxadam about wheezy->tesing |
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| 11:37.39 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell voxadam about wheezy->testing |
| 11:38.01 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell voxadam about wheezy->jessie |
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| 11:44.53 | Iridos | greenmang0, there's no "going back to squeeze" as such... downgrades are not really supported (as that's impossible to do: programs can create new files in $HOME... and upgrade/downgrade do not touch those at all and programs only support upgrade on those) |
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| 11:45.54 | Iridos | greenmang0, seems the obvious step would be to add lsb tags yourself now, as you skipped upgrading to squeeze where they were probably added without being a strict requirement |
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| 11:46.55 | Iridos | greenmang0, or better yet, to reinstall... you can try to keep an approximation of your current package selection ... for how to do that, do /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 11:51.26 | pclov3r | Has any major issues come up in Debian 7 after the moth of it's release or as it's been rock solid as normal? |
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| 11:54.42 | jelly | fear the MOTH |
| 11:54.52 | jelly | ...of its release |
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| 11:55.45 | ksk | can anyone tell me what an value of "-1" for both " password inactivity period" and " account expiration date" means? man shadow does not mention theses values |
| 11:56.02 | pclov3r | lmao oops |
| 11:56.10 | pclov3r | month |
| 11:56.42 | pclov3r | Debian Moth oh boy what did I create. |
| 11:57.24 | abrotman | ksk: i'd guess never expire |
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| 11:58.36 | wakd | pclov3r: you should bug report that moth |
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| 11:58.46 | pclov3r | lmao |
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| 12:01.41 | gnugr | pclov3r:well, yes, Debian stable is 'rock' as always with no issues if you can handle it correct |
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| 12:03.06 | greenmang0 | Iridos: thanks, I will go for adding lsb tags manually |
| 12:03.29 | ksk | acutally it prevents me from logging in ;) was just wondering if there is anything official about this.. |
| 12:03.37 | greenmang0 | Iridos: can you tell me how should I go for it? |
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| 12:06.49 | mumpitzel | ksk: normally it means "never" |
| 12:07.01 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 12:07.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc4-686-pae (3.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 12:11.20 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 12:11.25 | man_in_shack | so i have a fun problem right now |
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| 12:11.58 | man_in_shack | looks like i can't get root access at all on one of my systems |
| 12:12.10 | man_in_shack | probably happened after upgrading libpam* |
| 12:12.12 | man_in_shack | on unstable |
| 12:12.32 | nkuttler | man_in_shack: welcome to unstable |
| 12:12.35 | man_in_shack | yah |
| 12:12.37 | man_in_shack | good fun :) |
| 12:12.39 | mumpitzel | boot in single user mode then |
| 12:12.46 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 12:12.53 | man_in_shack | will try |
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| 12:19.35 | Nach | Accidently during an upgrade, I chose to keep the installed version of a config file, instead of upgrading to the package maintainer's version. How can I install the package maintainer's config files for a package? |
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| 12:20.55 | nkuttler | !tell Nach about confmiss |
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| 12:22.10 | Nach | nkuttler: I didn't delete the config file, I want to upgrade it |
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| 12:24.39 | mumpitzel | Nach: dpkg-reconfigure the package? |
| 12:24.40 | zykotick9 | Nach: i'd guess there is a better way, but couldn't you extract the DEB (might be in /var/cache/apt/archives/) and get the file? |
| 12:24.48 | nkuttler | Nach: just rm it |
| 12:24.50 | mumpitzel | zykotick9: it's a config file |
| 12:25.20 | zykotick9 | mumpitzel: i agree, but it should be included in the DEB as well |
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| 12:26.09 | ChrisH | dpkg thanks |
| 12:26.09 | dpkg | ChrisH: de rien |
| 12:26.21 | voxadam | I just installed nginx for the first time on jessie. How do I start the server and where is the document root located? |
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| 12:26.46 | nkuttler | voxadam: there's an init script, and /var/www/ i think, but check the config |
| 12:26.47 | xand | voxadam: /etc/init.d/nginx start |
| 12:26.48 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.03 | xand | and... see the config file :) |
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| 12:28.09 | voxadam | xand: Thanks. I did that but it says the port is already in use. I assume it's already started. There is no /var/www/, I thought that's where the document root was always located. |
| 12:28.22 | Pricey | What's the gnome network proxy settings application called if I want to call it from the command line? |
| 12:28.23 | xand | I think things have moved to /srv |
| 12:28.52 | nkuttler | voxadam: is maybe apache listening on 80? |
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| 12:29.17 | nkuttler | xand: oh, i thought that was planned for the next release |
| 12:29.28 | xand | I dunno, I have /srv on wheezy |
| 12:29.32 | xand | not sure what uses it though. |
| 12:29.47 | voxadam | I have a /srv on Jessie but it's empty. |
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| 12:30.13 | nkuttler | yeah, mine's empty on wheezy |
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| 12:30.52 | zykotick9 | xand: voxadam nkuttler see "man hier" for what /srv is for. "I" use /srv for lots of stuff. |
| 12:31.31 | nkuttler | zykotick9: i know about the fhs |
| 12:31.43 | voxadam | Strange, I don't have Apache installed or any other httpd. |
| 12:31.46 | Pricey | Aha, found it within gnome-control-center, obviously. |
| 12:31.57 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: i'm unclear why you're surprised it's empty then ;) |
| 12:31.58 | voxadam | I can't figure out what's bound to 80. |
| 12:31.59 | nkuttler | !tell voxadam about open ports |
| 12:32.10 | nkuttler | zykotick9: i'm not surprised at all |
| 12:32.12 | maroloccio | With all the choices available (and forks!) in terms of "desktop system" I wonder: what's the long, long term future of the "desktop" on Debian? I am overwhelmed by choice these days (cinnamon, MATE, XFCE, etc...) and a little bit confused. I am somebody who enjoyed scripting his GNOME 2 configuration using gconftool, being able to replicate it anywhere just by running a script. I would like to be able to |
| 12:32.15 | maroloccio | continue to do that with the next gen desktop I pick.. any advice, please? |
| 12:32.24 | voxadam | I don't see prrocesses listed in ps. |
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| 12:33.13 | mumpitzel | voxadam: netstat -anp |grep 80 |grep LIST as root and you will know |
| 12:33.19 | voxadam | Hmmm... netstat doesn't list anything listing on 80. |
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| 12:33.44 | nkuttler | voxadam: /etc/init.d/nginx restart, and pastebin the full output |
| 12:33.48 | jelly | maroloccio: "desktop" is slowly going to die off during the next 5-10 years anyway |
| 12:34.24 | nkuttler | maroloccio: don't use something "next gen", but something stable |
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| 12:34.57 | voxadam | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/fY43WHyN |
| 12:35.05 | maroloccio | nkuttler: I very much agree with that: use something stable. That's what I would like to do. Stable is my priority too. |
| 12:35.28 | maroloccio | jelly: But I will stil use a laptop and desktop system? Maybe I don't get your point? |
| 12:35.51 | voxadam | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/nWhyXcAg |
| 12:36.55 | nkuttler | voxadam: um.. what happens when you access port 80 on that box? |
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| 12:37.45 | nkuttler | maroloccio: fwiw, i'm using openbox everywhere and don't plan on switching any time soon. any stable window manager should do |
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| 12:37.54 | voxadam | nkuttler: Nothing happens when I try to connect using Chrome on my host (the system in question is a VM). |
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| 12:38.19 | nkuttler | voxadam: try the fuser command |
| 12:38.31 | jelly | maroloccio: oh I'm just rambling |
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| 12:40.56 | voxadam | nkuttler: "fuser -v -n tcp 80" doesn't return anything. |
| 12:41.21 | nkuttler | voxadam: no idea then.. i'd blame it on the virtualization |
| 12:41.51 | nkuttler | voxadam: talk to your hoster.. or.. try the windows method |
| 12:42.29 | ChrisH | voxadam: lsof -i tcp:80 I never used fuser for tcp ports. |
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| 12:44.27 | voxadam | nkuttler: unfortunately for me the VM is running on my workstation so I guess that makes me the hoster. |
| 12:44.41 | voxadam | ChrisH: lsof doesn't return anything either. |
| 12:45.03 | nkuttler | voxadam: oh, what kind of interface are you using? |
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| 12:45.37 | nkuttler | voxadam: the host using port 80 might mess things up i guess |
| 12:45.39 | man_in_shack | well this is fun |
| 12:46.00 | man_in_shack | i've got the system in single user mode, logged in as root and all |
| 12:46.13 | pclov3r | And? |
| 12:46.19 | man_in_shack | but "su normaluser" gives me "Authentication failure" |
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| 12:47.53 | voxadam | nkuttler: I'm running the VM on VMWare Workstaiton 9 on Win7 with a bridged interface on wired ethernet. |
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| 12:48.35 | man_in_shack | i have absolutely no idea why authentication is failing |
| 12:48.43 | nkuttler | voxadam: ah well we can't help you with neither vmware nor windows |
| 12:49.21 | voxadam | Well, I'll check with #vmware and #nginx. |
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| 12:50.28 | nkuttler | voxadam: btw, is it important to fix this? if you're just playing around use another port |
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| 12:51.21 | ChrisH | voxadam: I did not get the initial question, what does not work? |
| 12:51.38 | nkuttler | ChrisH: nginx says port 80 is in use, but apparently nothing uses port 80 |
| 12:52.34 | asdhjk | Hi all |
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| 12:53.07 | dbristow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:53.28 | ChrisH | voxadam,nkuttler Option a) rebooot Option b) continue investigation eg. strace nginx startup |
| 12:53.42 | man_in_shack | anyone? |
| 12:54.12 | nkuttler | yeah, i suggested the reboot |
| 12:54.12 | xand | man_in_shack: single user mode is for root only |
| 12:54.16 | xand | so other users can't login. |
| 12:54.32 | man_in_shack | but you should be able to su to those users once logged in as root |
| 12:54.34 | nkuttler | !tell man_in_shack about debian-next |
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| 12:54.47 | man_in_shack | thanks nkuttler |
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| 12:55.44 | man_in_shack | man_in_shack was kicked from #debian-next by ChanServ [You are not authorized to be on this channel] |
| 12:55.45 | man_in_shack | :( |
| 12:55.53 | nkuttler | !tell man_in_shack about oftc |
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| 12:57.21 | nonconvergent | Trying to mount something as a user with fuse but I don't know what I need to do. |
| 12:57.34 | nonconvergent | Every time I try I get fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/xoom |
| 12:57.57 | xand | mount it to somewhere in the homedirectory |
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| 12:58.13 | nonconvergent | I added my user to the fuse group, relogged, and added mptfs /media/xoom fuse rw,user,noauto,allow_other 0 0 to fstab |
| 12:58.21 | babilen | nonconvergent: You've just left #debian-next -- I was about to answer you there. |
| 12:58.28 | nonconvergent | babilen: I rebooted. |
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| 12:58.52 | babilen | nonconvergent: fwiw, you pinning is completely off. You want support in #debian-next and you want to use a setup such as the one detailed in "/msg dpkg tum" |
| 12:59.47 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I know there exist parallel implementations for gzip (pigz) and bzip2 (pbzip2). Is there such one for lzma? |
| 13:00.04 | babilen | nonconvergent: Make sure your user is a member of plugdev -- I have, however, never used fusermount and can't really help you with that. |
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| 13:00.41 | nonconvergent | babilen: I'm in it. |
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| 13:03.21 | ChrisH | hid3: does aptitude search lzma answer your question? |
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| 13:09.03 | hid3 | ChrisH: nope. But it doesn't mean that the solution does not exist |
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| 13:09.58 | pclov3r | Can aptitude make me a sandwich? |
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| 13:10.58 | zykotick9 | pclov3r: make it yourself! "sudo aptitude make me a sandwich" = OK. :p |
| 13:11.03 | pclov3r | apt-get make sandwich -b "Dutch Crunch" |
| 13:11.26 | pclov3r | -b bread what other flags would the be? |
| 13:11.35 | pclov3r | -L lettuce type? |
| 13:11.36 | babilen | … → #debian-offtopic |
| 13:11.40 | pclov3r | okay |
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| 13:11.53 | babilen | pclov3r: this is a support channel after all |
| 13:11.58 | pclov3r | Yeah, Iti s |
| 13:12.22 | hid3 | package 'pxz' sounds promising, but it's only in testing and sid |
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| 13:12.26 | hid3 | need to find a backported one |
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| 13:14.56 | man_in_shack | looks like i fixed it |
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| 13:15.13 | man_in_shack | needed to upgrade libpcre |
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| 13:16.18 | babilen | man_in_shack: Huh? Upgrade it from what to what? |
| 13:16.29 | man_in_shack | 8.12 to 8.31 |
| 13:16.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell hid3 -about ssb |
| 13:16.47 | hid3 | yeah, I know... |
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| 13:17.03 | hid3 | that's why I said 'need to find a backported one' :) |
| 13:17.07 | man_in_shack | yay, fixed |
| 13:17.41 | babilen | man_in_shack: I have the feeling that you shouldn't be here, but in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net as you are obviously not running wheezy ... Where did you get libpcre3 8.12 from? |
| 13:18.44 | babilen | hid3: No, you might have misunderstood. You can backport it yourself :) -- it might also very well be that I misunderstand what you are trying to say |
| 13:19.18 | nonconvergent | Swear to god, I hate Calibre so much. |
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| 13:21.18 | hid3 | babilen: it's already more than 14 years of my friendship with Debian. I know but just too lazy to do that right now :) |
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| 13:21.34 | hid3 | Oh, and FWIW, I think there isn't and won't be a better linux distro, ever. |
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| 13:23.57 | babilen | hid3: Ah, fair enough :) -- just checked and it should be pretty straighforward as all build dependencies can be satisfied in wheezy |
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| 13:30.33 | jelly | hid3: won't be? that's a sad thought |
| 13:31.10 | hid3 | wel.. okay.. There will be.. 'highly unlikely'. |
| 13:31.13 | hid3 | Is that better? |
| 13:31.49 | Iridos | I think nautilus or gnome-shell try to mount usb drives, but cannot, because they're now using the wrong mechanism |
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| 13:32.03 | Iridos | at least, I cannot unmount something with effin nautilus that I mounted with pmount |
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| 13:33.33 | Iridos | or it's not trying to do it |
| 13:33.51 | Iridos | as gnome-shell started from the commandline produces no messages when I plug somethin gin |
| 13:34.59 | Iridos | why is this so hard to debug |
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| 13:35.42 | well_laid_lawn | you didn't pay tribute to the linux gods |
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| 13:36.27 | Iridos | what's the garden gnome gotta do with linux |
| 13:36.48 | Iridos | what's the lawn ornament gotta do with linux |
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| 13:37.24 | Iridos | duh, now it got mounted |
| 13:37.26 | Iridos | god knows how |
| 13:37.31 | Iridos | but on usb0, not on the label |
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| 13:39.05 | Iridos | and of course no messages anywhere I look that tell me WHAT exactly mounted it |
| 13:39.07 | Iridos | *sigh* |
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| 13:42.46 | jelly | Iridos: what's love got to do? |
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| 13:46.15 | Henrik | hi |
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| 13:46.46 | Sheppyh | Hi, Please vote for me to go to VMware WORLD Barcelona, I cant think of a better way to approach the masses better than mIRC, vote Harry John here: http://ow.ly/lxchG THANK YOU!!!!!! |
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| 13:47.32 | Guest68283 | hi |
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| 13:47.53 | antihero | Hi, I have an issue where my kernel is too old to install libc6, but I need to install libc6 in order to install a new kernel |
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| 13:48.22 | nkuttler | antihero: um.. what exactly are you doing? |
| 13:48.36 | JeffJohnson | installing a new kernel? :E scnr |
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| 13:48.46 | themill | installing wheezy on rhel 5 openvz? |
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| 13:48.56 | antihero | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/50ca618f65c1a6394304 |
| 13:48.57 | nkuttler | or on potato or something.. |
| 13:49.02 | _debian_ | i use kali linux and i have a problem with openvas ... can you help me please ? |
| 13:49.05 | antihero | themill: it is on openvz |
| 13:49.25 | antihero | I think it's more of an apt question in that how do I rollback |
| 13:49.29 | antihero | so that I can install kernel |
| 13:49.33 | themill | antihero: you don't get to control your kernel on openvz |
| 13:49.34 | _debian_ | kali linux channel is empty ... so i talk in debian channel |
| 13:49.46 | themill | antihero: also, you want #ubuntu |
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| 13:50.01 | themill | _debian_: no, we can't help you here. |
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| 13:50.19 | _debian_ | but kali linux channel is empty ... so i talk in debian channel |
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| 13:50.48 | antihero | ah, so that's why it's breaking |
| 13:51.00 | antihero | themill: How did you know? |
| 13:51.35 | nkuttler | _debian_: install debian and we'll be able to help you |
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| 13:53.35 | fraff | hi all, I'm trying to source a script from post/pre/inst/rem scripts in a .deb but I don't know where to place it, I've grep around in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ without success, can anyone help ? |
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| 13:53.58 | mumpitzel | fraff: which one do you look for? |
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| 13:55.54 | fraff | mumpitzel: the one I wrote :) with my functions in it |
| 13:56.34 | themill | fraff: /usr/share/$package/ would be a reasonable place for postinst or prerm, I guess |
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| 13:58.25 | voxadam | For various reasons I removed Exim from my system, I don't "need" it for what I'm planning on doing with this VM. I do have one issue though, When I login I get a "You have new mail." message but I'm unable to read it. Is it required to have an MTA on a Debian system? |
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| 13:59.32 | mumpitzel | voxadam: how are you trying to read it? |
| 13:59.59 | fraff | themill: yes but I'd also like to have those functions in preinst and prerm, so I was thiking placing them in debian/ directory in package source |
| 14:00.12 | ksk | many packages do at least suggest you to have an mta - there was also some poor mans mta, forgot that name.. |
| 14:00.15 | fraff | postrm* |
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| 14:01.08 | moof2 | there are systems that do send mail, like to root... you do need an MTA but it can be an mta that doesn't contact other mtas |
| 14:01.17 | pclov3r | poorman mta sendmail? |
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| 14:01.50 | moof2 | sendmail is difficult to handle |
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| 14:01.56 | pclov3r | i like postfix |
| 14:02.10 | ksk | debian wiki says "positive points of sendmail: Someone please fill this in" :D |
| 14:02.14 | jmd` | What is the simplest way to find out the device upon which a file is mounted? |
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| 14:02.16 | pclov3r | lmfao |
| 14:02.24 | voxadam | It seems excessive to require an MTA just to read messages from one's own system. |
| 14:02.30 | jelly | jmd`: stat |
| 14:02.30 | ksk | jmd`: "mount"? |
| 14:02.41 | pclov3r | tho i have to work with exim at times |
| 14:02.45 | voxadam | Isn't that what logs are for? |
| 14:02.55 | jmd` | stat doesn't tell me. |
| 14:02.59 | voxadam | I suppose I can install postfix. |
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| 14:03.02 | ksk | ah, nullmailer it was |
| 14:03.11 | themill | fraff: you can't use anything from your own package in preinst or postrm -- your files aren't on the disk |
| 14:03.12 | jelly | jmd`: it tells me Device: 10305h/66309d Inode: 991914 Links: 1 |
| 14:03.14 | ksk | "Nullmailer is a replacement MTA for hosts, which relay to a fixed set of smart relays. It is designed to be simple to configure and especially useful on slave machines and in chroots. |
| 14:03.18 | ksk | " |
| 14:03.43 | moof2 | yeah, one like that :) |
| 14:03.47 | jmd` | jelly: how do I then convert 10305h/66309d to something useful ? |
| 14:03.51 | voxadam | I suppose that'll work. |
| 14:03.51 | ksk | http://wiki.debian.org/DefaultMTA |
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| 14:04.22 | jelly | jmd`: what do you consider useful, a node path like /dev/md0 ? |
| 14:04.28 | jmd` | yes. |
| 14:04.34 | jelly | jmd`: use df, then |
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| 14:05.33 | msn | i am having trouble installing linux on a efi locked bios, cant seem to find the option to turn off secure boot |
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| 14:06.23 | pclov3r | What pc do you have? |
| 14:06.31 | jmd` | df is an option if I can get rid of the header |
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| 14:07.15 | moof2 | man tail :) |
| 14:07.23 | fraff | themill: that's why I ask for help ... preinst and postrm are still on the disk when they are executed, but debhelper seems to care only about those scripts, nothing else |
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| 14:07.45 | themill | fraff: debhelper has nothing to do with this |
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| 14:08.18 | themill | fraff: have you read the new maintainer's guide, btw? |
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| 14:08.38 | msn | pclov3r: hp p7 1119 |
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| 14:09.10 | g0to | hello |
| 14:09.21 | pclov3r | Should be in the bios somewere |
| 14:09.33 | msn | it had centos running on it and then i reinstalled debian and mistakenly reset the bios to defaults |
| 14:09.50 | msn | ofcourse while i was booting debian it wont go past grub prompt even then |
| 14:09.52 | beardy | jmd`: df | sed '1d' |
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| 14:10.19 | pclov3r | i would dig into all the bios options |
| 14:10.24 | pclov3r | youare you unable to locate it? |
| 14:10.29 | neon__ | what should I do about : Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:10.30 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.42 | themill | neon__: you'd start by pastebinning the full output |
| 14:10.49 | pclov3r | msn, http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportDocument/c03653226/c03668352.jpg |
| 14:10.52 | pclov3r | does your bios look like that? |
| 14:11.19 | jmd` | and then df has this annoying habit of spliting SOME entries across two lines |
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| 14:11.48 | msn | pclov3r: it does but that option isnt there |
| 14:11.50 | msn | :/ |
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| 14:12.07 | pclov3r | Told tell me they built a pc were you cant disable it? |
| 14:12.07 | themill | jmd`: df -P |
| 14:12.09 | pclov3r | dont |
| 14:12.19 | msn | i think they did |
| 14:12.19 | fraff | themill: I've read some, not all of it |
| 14:12.52 | g0to | is there any way to set the minimum level of volume sound using ALSA? |
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| 14:13.42 | g0to | even the current minimum is too loud for me when I use headphones |
| 14:14.24 | neon__ | themill, --> http://paste.debian.net/9016/ |
| 14:14.55 | pclov3r | Woudnt' that violate microsoft tho? |
| 14:14.57 | pclov3r | or nto really |
| 14:16.03 | neon__ | what should I do about this error in dist-upgrade? --> http://paste.debian.net/9016/ |
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| 14:16.23 | themill | neon__: get the crap from deb-multimedia.org off your machine and all will be well |
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| 14:16.44 | beardy | jmd`: Does adding "-p" help? |
| 14:16.58 | jmd` | beardy: It does, thanks. |
| 14:16.59 | beardy | was late. |
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| 14:17.30 | neon__ | themill, is there an easy way of doing this? |
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| 14:18.22 | ashka | hmm, I'm getting an issue with a fresh install of wheezy and NFS, when I connect I get this : mount.nfs: mount(2): Connection refused |
| 14:18.26 | ashka | rpcbind is started |
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| 14:19.09 | themill | neon__: it's difficult to do when apt is already unhappy like this. I suspect you're going to have to tell apt to force the issue which is not a nice place to be in. /msg dpkg force-overwrite |
| 14:19.45 | msn | pclov3r: microsoft wants that, so that you cant install linux once windows is installed |
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| 14:20.00 | ashka | http://paste.awesom.eu/1El actual log |
| 14:20.05 | msn | its a kind of oem lock |
| 14:20.06 | klys_ | ashka: make sure your client is in /etc/hosts.allow and after you edit /etc/exports to include the ip address do exportfs -ra, then you can try to mount. |
| 14:20.22 | pclov3r | If microsoft did that there would be a huge backlash |
| 14:20.29 | pclov3r | Saying you have no option to disable it |
| 14:21.06 | msn | microsoft wont do it, it will get vendors to do it |
| 14:21.26 | msn | anyway i am gonan go back fight with the machine again |
| 14:21.40 | pclov3r | Hopefully there is an option in the bios somewere |
| 14:21.44 | pclov3r | I would figure there is? |
| 14:22.08 | msn | i hope too |
| 14:22.09 | ashka | klys_: did that, the client is in the allow list, still getting the same error |
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| 14:24.20 | klys_ | ashka: I also hope /etc/hosts.deny is something like ALL: PARANOID |
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| 14:25.42 | ashka | yeah, it's fine (192.168.0.0/24 is defined in it, and I can access the share from another computer on the same subnet) |
| 14:26.40 | errorist | oh:) great |
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| 14:27.06 | klys_ | ashka: make sure each specific client ip is listed in /etc/exports with no_root_squash |
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| 14:27.41 | vassilux | hi alls, I try to monitor my cluster on Squeeze box with snmp. Can someone indicate me if the pacemaker package is compiled with snmp support cause I can't make works crm_mon with snmp-traps |
| 14:28.16 | ashka | looks like it was the problem ! I had 192.168.0.0/24, replaced it with 192.168.0.* and it works now |
| 14:28.28 | ashka | (pretty weird though) |
| 14:28.52 | ashka | because the 192.168.0.0/24 format works for another computer and another share |
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| 14:32.23 | esoterik | Would it be logical to add repo entries for jessie to upgrade Postfix? The postfix on Wheezy is 2.9.6 and the one on Jessie is 2.10 stable. I only want to upgrade that piece of software. |
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| 14:34.26 | dury | http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3993/pant4.png how can I install the package or how does it call the package to make those red lines in my Desktop in Gnome 3? |
| 14:34.30 | babilen | esoterik: No, never mix stable with testing or unstable. Do you *really* require the version in jessie? |
| 14:35.13 | esoterik | Version 2.10 of Postfix has a nice set of additions for hardening the server against open relay attacks, that's basically the feature I am looking for. |
| 14:35.23 | esoterik | If it compromises overall stability then I'll figure something else out. |
| 14:35.56 | nkuttler | dury: huh? red lines? looks like somebody drawed that.. |
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| 14:36.33 | nkuttler | dury: try gimp if you want to draw stuff, circle tool, draw outline or something |
| 14:36.33 | klys_ | if you're upgrading libc then you may need a new version of udev, which may require a newer kernel. |
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| 14:37.08 | babilen | esoterik: Well, I strongly advise against mixing stable and testing or unstable. One of your options is to backport postfix from sid to wheezy, but I have no idea how advisable that is. That would also mean that you have to take care of backporting new versions that land in sid (or jessie if you backport from there) |
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| 14:38.46 | esoterik | that sounds like it could introduce a lot of conflict later down the road |
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| 14:39.00 | esoterik | thanks for your advice, I'd rather be stable for now instead of introducing new risks |
| 14:39.14 | dury | nkuttler: but there is a tool that you can draw lines in red to specify one zone on your desktop... see what I mean? |
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| 14:39.47 | babilen | esoterik: I completely agree -- Just wanted to elaborate on your options. |
| 14:39.59 | dury | nkuttler: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3993/pant4.png |
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| 14:40.19 | esoterik | thanks for that, I'm not really familiar with the backporting process |
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| 14:42.51 | nkuttler | dury: i've already seen the link... how does gimp *not* solve your problem? |
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| 14:43.54 | babilen | esoterik: Well, it essentially means that you compile the source package from a different release on your own. It is not particularly hard if all the build dependencies are satisfied in the target release. The process is detailed in <ssb> and you can read about backports in <backports> (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 14:44.19 | dury | nkuttler: but there is a specific application or tool for that |
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| 14:45.03 | nkuttler | dury: how does gimp *not* solve your problem? |
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| 14:50.00 | Iridos | nkuttler, well, gimp doesn't seem to draw stuff like circles/ellipses |
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| 14:51.57 | squisher | Iridos, you can select a circle, then create a border around it and fill it... not really comfy if you need to do it often, but it is possible ;-) |
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| 14:52.17 | Iridos | dury, well, import in inkscape, export to png probably gives you all the possibilities to draw on top that you want |
| 14:52.25 | nkuttler | ew |
| 14:52.34 | nkuttler | it's like three clicks in gimp |
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| 14:52.44 | Iridos | squisher, that's not "drawing a circle", but... doing some messy stuff which will eventually create a circle |
| 14:53.02 | voxadam | Okay... this thoroughly confuses me: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Belkin-F5D5055-Gigabit-USB-2-0-Network-Adapter-/130517966000 |
| 14:53.30 | widfy | any advice on how to add keybindings to run a script cli only - using bash shell |
| 14:53.43 | Iridos | oh, he's gorn |
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| 14:54.15 | nkuttler | widfy: what do you mean? launch a script with a key combo? |
| 14:54.17 | Iridos | widfy, what you said doesn't make sense |
| 14:54.24 | Iridos | at least not like you said it :) |
| 14:54.28 | nkuttler | widfy: usually you'd configure your de/wm |
| 14:54.36 | Iridos | s/like/the way/ |
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| 14:54.54 | widfy | nkuttler: yes that it |
| 14:55.08 | Iridos | nkuttler, so HOW is it 3 clicks |
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| 14:55.57 | Iridos | I've actually missed basic drawing ability in gimp as well... which seems to be more for photo-editing in the sense that you try to improve the image |
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| 14:56.25 | Iridos | there are paths, but I kinda didn't understand what they do (and didn't bother much either) |
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| 14:57.27 | nkuttler | Iridos: yeah, that's why you can't do simple stuff like this |
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| 14:58.01 | nkuttler | oh my, it's four clicks.. |
| 14:58.03 | Iridos | right... so need to use inkscape, although that's not made for it either |
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| 14:58.36 | nkuttler | selection to path, paint along path |
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| 14:59.14 | nkuttler | i use that all the time to send instructions to clients... |
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| 14:59.57 | Iridos | well... never met "selection to path" |
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| 15:00.07 | Iridos | and how the heck do you "paint along path" |
| 15:00.17 | nkuttler | it's the button right next to that.. |
| 15:00.34 | nkuttler | see also #gimp for friendly gimp support |
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| 15:01.00 | Iridos | not in wheezys gimp... or I didn't use the button you meant |
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| 15:01.29 | nkuttler | Iridos: http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-path-dialog.html |
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| 15:02.14 | Iridos | aha! |
| 15:02.22 | nkuttler | there's even stroke selection under edit.. |
| 15:02.24 | Iridos | "stroke path" |
| 15:02.27 | nkuttler | no need to use paths apparently |
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| 15:03.15 | Iridos | oh, indeed |
| 15:03.24 | Iridos | well, good to know |
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| 15:03.26 | nkuttler | using paths seems to look much better though, that's probably why i use it |
| 15:03.27 | Iridos | thanks |
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| 15:04.11 | Iridos | it's not very obvious for the casual user, though... and so I never bothered to invest the time to find out |
| 15:04.27 | Iridos | specially as it wasn't clear how much time that might be |
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| 15:05.18 | Iridos | while it WAS clear it can be done in inkscape within a couple of seconds |
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| 15:11.49 | dury | nkuttle, Iridos: http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/annotate-plugin.png |
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| 15:12.30 | dury | nkuttler: http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/annotate-plugin.png |
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| 15:14.06 | themill | dury: there's a Qt app called "hotshot" (or similar) that I've heard people talk about for this sort of thing |
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| 15:16.09 | dury | themill: Qt app what's that... in other words? |
| 15:16.41 | themill | I think that's one of those things that google can answer better than me. |
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| 15:18.25 | sambagirl | morning when i try to execute a .run file when i click on it it doesn't offer me to run in terminal. it tries to open with GEDIT. i changed permissions to exec but it still does it. secondly if i ./ in terminal it won't execute either….what should i do? |
| 15:18.37 | Vicissitude | hotot is a lovely twitter client |
| 15:18.38 | dury | right |
| 15:19.07 | ChrisH | sambagirl: good afternoon, what is a .run file? |
| 15:19.40 | widfy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:21.41 | sambagirl | i'm trying to install enemy territory. it is a game i like. i decompressed the zip to a folder. it makes it into the actual folder with the .run installed. |
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| 15:22.02 | sambagirl | look at it as vmware .bundle file. |
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| 15:22.45 | ChrisH | sambagirl: what does file .run show? Whatever a .bundle file is. |
| 15:22.47 | sambagirl | you know like ./ |
| 15:23.01 | sambagirl | vmware comes in a bundle format |
| 15:23.02 | Iridos | sambagirl, what does "file" say the file is? |
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| 15:23.20 | sambagirl | when you say file say? |
| 15:23.27 | sambagirl | you mean if i right click on it? |
| 15:23.32 | Iridos | the program called "file" |
| 15:23.37 | Iridos | on a terminal |
| 15:23.49 | sambagirl | just a sec |
| 15:24.03 | ChrisH | sambagirl: you might want to show us ls -l; file * on paste.debian.net and stopp talking about extension. Unix does care about extensions, thats a Windows trick. |
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| 15:24.41 | Iridos | ChrisH, heh... you asked the same and even I didn't understand it... the name "file" for a program is a little confusing |
| 15:25.09 | sambagirl | well i can't copy the info cause i am in vmware in osx mountain lion using colloquy irc chat. sorry |
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| 15:26.03 | sambagirl | ok just a sec |
| 15:26.03 | sambagirl | thanks |
| 15:26.05 | yeenoghu | with enemy territory you want chmod +x the .run and run it :) |
| 15:26.22 | Iridos | right |
| 15:26.35 | Iridos | probably... I still want to know what it was |
| 15:27.06 | Iridos | sambagirl, you could install nopaste or pastebinit and do something like: file *.run | pastebinit - |
| 15:27.15 | Iridos | (or nopaste -) |
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| 15:28.09 | yeenoghu | but with osx you want a mac installer I think. 2.60d |
| 15:28.10 | Iridos | how absurd is that... now automounting seems to somewhat work, but the icon for changing sound volume disappeared |
| 15:28.22 | Iridos | dere's dat |
| 15:29.01 | sambagirl | how do you exit out of > in a shell? |
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| 15:29.12 | yeenoghu | try ctrl+D |
| 15:29.14 | ChrisH | sambagirl: exit |
| 15:29.22 | sambagirl | thanks |
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| 15:29.27 | sambagirl | just a sec |
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| 15:29.59 | sambagirl | see i am tying here in vm mac os and working to do this other thing in linux |
| 15:30.03 | sambagirl | just a sec |
| 15:30.09 | yeenoghu | oh right |
| 15:30.22 | yeenoghu | the big problem with ET on linux is sound |
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| 15:30.44 | yeenoghu | after you've installed you want to check out http://nullkey.kapsi.fi/et-sdl-sound/ |
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| 15:31.15 | yeenoghu | also set to 44khz |
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| 15:31.45 | yeenoghu | in the ingame menu |
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| 15:36.34 | dury | Screen annotation tool for Gnome Shell? |
| 15:37.14 | jhutchins_wk | sambagirl: On the ">" question: you probably have an unmatched quote. |
| 15:38.28 | sambagirl | well i can't copy paste into this vm cause i can't put tools in it via vmware http://pastebin.ca/2392352 |
| 15:39.25 | ChrisH | sambagirl: we wantned file et260b.x86_keygen_V03.run but I assume you will get the wanted result using bash ./et260b.x86_keygen_V03.run |
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| 15:39.45 | ChrisH | sambagirl: we wantned file et260b.x86_keygen_V03.run but I assume you will get the wanted result using 'bash ./et260b.x86_keygen_V03.run' enter the quoted command between ' |
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| 15:41.14 | jhutchins_wk | sambagirl: What's wrong with vmtools? |
| 15:41.24 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, I guess they only have rpms. |
| 15:42.22 | yeenoghu | et260b.x86_keygen_V03.run sounds like an odd name for that installer |
| 15:42.29 | zerick | Hi guys, my NIC is not starting at boot, here is my dmesg output http://paste.debian.net/9039/, anybody could help me please ? :) |
| 15:42.53 | yeenoghu | it's a script with embedded data, or supposed to be |
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| 15:43.06 | sambagirl | i don't know. i got this osx vm from pirates bay and i figure apple doesn't like osx in vm just like windows doesn't like vm's. well i got the torrent from pirates bay but the reality is that the vm is legal but i'm not sure. i have one of these i7 uefi bios laptops and it's not firendly to much basiclally. |
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| 15:43.51 | sambagirl | i got the file from splashdamage |
| 15:44.07 | sambagirl | i've installed it in the past but it's not working now. |
| 15:44.43 | sambagirl | i'm basically inquiring as this is a generic linux query |
| 15:45.18 | sambagirl | here is a question. the new debian 7 does it work with uefi environments or circumstances? |
| 15:45.40 | sambagirl | tell you what let me install it in a vm brb |
| 15:45.58 | jhutchins_wk | !uefi |
| 15:45.58 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 15:47.30 | jhutchins_wk | sambagirl: http://blogs.vmware.com/kb/2013/04/installing-mac-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion-as-a-guest-operating-system-in-vmware-fusion-5.html#.UbIAhOc-b6g |
| 15:47.56 | sambagirl | quick question which dvd should i get all 3? i have FIOS so i download 80mps or better |
| 15:48.15 | sambagirl | i turned secure boot off |
| 15:48.22 | jhutchins_wk | sambagirl: We usually recommend doing the netinstall. |
| 15:48.24 | sambagirl | microsoft crapola |
| 15:48.37 | shriphani | hi I am not a regular debian user and for some personal project, I need access to xlib.h Will libxcb1-dev get me the xlib.h header ? |
| 15:48.38 | sambagirl | i can't do that in a vm can i? |
| 15:48.39 | jhutchins_wk | sambagirl: It's the most efficient because you only download what you actually use. |
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| 15:48.42 | sambagirl | i'll get disk 1 |
| 15:48.44 | sambagirl | brb |
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| 15:49.02 | jhutchins_wk | sambagirl: Otherwise, for an American English desktop you only need disc 1. |
| 15:49.04 | mumpitzel | shriphani: packages.debian.org lets you search for files and shows you what package they are in |
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| 15:49.35 | jhutchins_wk | !tell shriphani about search |
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| 15:50.30 | Roenie | wtf |
| 15:50.52 | Roenie | tar -xvzf kiax-2.1-beta1-linux-static.tar.gz |
| 15:50.55 | jhutchins_wk | shriphani: Sorry, that factoid is less helpful than I thought, you can use apt-file to search for individual files. I _think_ it works for src files too. |
| 15:51.11 | shriphani | jhutchins_wk I actually asked after using apt-cache |
| 15:51.14 | Roenie | cd kiax-2.1-beta1-linux-static/ |
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| 15:51.24 | mumpitzel | jhutchins_wk: it'S a header he wants, which will be in a -dev |
| 15:51.30 | Roenie | ls -la |
| 15:51.33 | Roenie | -rwxr-xr-x 1 roenie roenie 14615915 jan 2 2009 kiax |
| 15:51.42 | jhutchins_wk | shriphani: Ok, well now I know. |
| 15:51.44 | mumpitzel | and packages.debian.org doesn't need to download big files like apt-file does. it just works |
| 15:51.45 | Roenie | but ./kiax - no such file or dir |
| 15:51.49 | shriphani | mumpitzel, I also want the .so |
| 15:51.55 | mumpitzel | shriphani: same applies |
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| 15:52.03 | mumpitzel | xlib.so or whatever to search for |
| 15:52.11 | mumpitzel | Roenie: "file kiax" |
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| 15:52.33 | mumpitzel | Roenie: and especially "ldd kiax". and you will see you miss a library. that's why you get this error |
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| 15:52.35 | Roenie | kiax: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped |
| 15:54.01 | sambagirl | i'll get all 3 since it's fast download but i use net install for servers installations but this is personal on this new laptop. |
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| 15:54.32 | mumpitzel | sambagirl: you should still use netinstall. not for you: you have the bandwith, but the servers need to pay your download too |
| 15:54.56 | Roenie | ty mumpitzel |
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| 15:55.32 | anomaly | is there a known problem with the Intel Graphics Media Accelator 950 and 7.0? when I try to boot the cd with either install or graphical install it gives me an invalid video mode then flakes out. |
| 15:56.44 | shriphani | also how do I remove the cd-rom from the sources list ? |
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| 15:56.54 | shriphani | synaptic or whatever it is won't let me uncheck it |
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| 15:57.24 | Monotoko | right... what's the proper way to upgrade 6 to 7? I've already run into busybox once and backed up from the start |
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| 15:58.14 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:58.15 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 15:58.40 | Monotoko | cheers |
| 15:58.47 | Monotoko | yeah that's what I did... shall try again |
| 15:58.55 | Monotoko | postfix complained and it quit out |
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| 15:59.12 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: Check the errata and make sure you read the release notes. |
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| 16:01.42 | Roenie | mumpitzel, I found, downloaded and unpacked a support files tarball with the required libs. How do I get kiax to use them? sticking them in the same dir does not work |
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| 16:02.14 | wald0 | what repos i need to have in my sources.list for the stable release ? wheezy, wheezy-updates, any other one ? |
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| 16:04.15 | Roenie | (a bunch of .a .la and .lai files) |
| 16:04.46 | mumpitzel | Roenie: /usr/local/lib and ldconfig? |
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| 16:05.19 | mumpitzel | Roenie: those are static libs you'd have to link to the binary when compiling. you need .so. what libs are missing? ldd will tell you |
| 16:05.35 | mumpitzel | !tell wald0 about sources.list |
| 16:06.15 | Roenie | ldd does not tell me |
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| 16:06.31 | mumpitzel | what does ldd do tell you? |
| 16:06.44 | Roenie | this: not a dynamic executable |
| 16:06.47 | Roenie | including the spaces |
| 16:06.50 | jhutchins_wk | I think Roenie needs to find kiax support. |
| 16:07.13 | Roenie | or a voip client with a decent package |
| 16:07.16 | Roenie | ;-) |
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| 16:10.17 | zerick | I have been told that $DISPLAY set as localhost:10 is insecure, how could I change this ? |
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| 16:10.55 | jhutchins_wk | Roenie: aptitude search ~dvoip |
| 16:11.28 | jhutchins_wk | zerick: Stop listening to whoever told you that. |
| 16:11.47 | Monotoko | alright... I'm not getting any net on this server, I've gone into /etc/udev/rules.d and configured it, and also /etc/network/interfaces - when it boots up I'm getting an error in the syslog saying "renamed network interface eth0 to eth0-eth1" |
| 16:12.05 | gnarface | well after wrestling with multicast routing for approximately 1.5 days the ethernet card flaked out once or twice then fried. i guess no means no. |
| 16:12.17 | Monotoko | fair enough I thought... ifconfig up eth0-eth1 gives me an error of "host name lookup failure" |
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| 16:12.37 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: You shouldn't need to mess with the udev rules. |
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| 16:13.13 | zerick | jhutchins_wk: maybe, how could I change that value |
| 16:13.16 | zerick | ? |
| 16:13.16 | Monotoko | jhutchins_wk, it had the wrong IP and MAC address (this is a clone of another system) |
| 16:13.23 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: That's the wrong format for ifconfig, but I don't know why you get a host lookup error. |
| 16:13.41 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: It shouldn't have an ip at all. |
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| 16:14.04 | jhutchins_wk | zerick: Your display setting is not relevant to security. |
| 16:14.58 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: Which release are you working with? |
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| 16:16.01 | Monotoko | jhutchins_wk, 6.0.7 |
| 16:16.15 | Monotoko | it was configured by another sysadmin |
| 16:16.34 | Monotoko | I believe he did it for good reason |
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| 16:16.42 | Roenie | jhutchins_wk, ty, installing sflphone-gnome |
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| 16:17.24 | Monotoko | jhutchins_wk, I managed to get it up |
| 16:17.30 | Monotoko | ... the interface that is |
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| 16:18.15 | jhutchins_wk | !interfaces |
| 16:18.16 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 16:19.15 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: If /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is the file you edited you can just take any entries out of there and let it auto-generate. |
| 16:19.16 | wald0 | how to know if i have a package installed from wheezy-updates |
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| 16:19.44 | jhutchins_wk | wald0: What's your real question? |
| 16:20.04 | Monotoko | jhutchins_wk, that's what I did... any idea why it's still renaming eth0 to eth0-eth1? |
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| 16:20.20 | Monotoko | I can find it in the syslog... but not why |
| 16:20.51 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: check dmesg |
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| 16:21.11 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: Check for wicd or network manager |
| 16:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | Monotoko: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 |
| 16:23.02 | Monotoko | jhutchins_wk, again, dmesg is telling me udev renamed it, but not why |
| 16:23.06 | Monotoko | cheers for the links |
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| 16:25.16 | ghking | hello everyone I want to know what is different between "apt-get purge" and "apt-get remove" |
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| 16:26.07 | ImaLamer | ghking: removing the settings too |
| 16:26.22 | teraflops | Monotoko: just delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot the machine |
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| 16:26.57 | ghking | ImaLamer all of them removing the settings? |
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| 16:27.13 | ImaLamer | ghking: 'apt-get --purge remove <package>' will remove the package and all your sins related to it |
| 16:27.31 | ImaLamer | ghking: otherwise remove will just remove the package itself |
| 16:27.37 | jenia | hi everyone. i want to install the drivers for my wireless. its the iwlwifi4965 |
| 16:27.59 | jenia | i found the repository online |
| 16:28.06 | ghking | ImaLamer I got it. thanks very much |
| 16:28.07 | jenia | and i want to add it to my sources.list file |
| 16:28.14 | jenia | what url do i use? |
| 16:28.44 | ImaLamer | jenia: can you link the site you're looking at? |
| 16:28.55 | ImaLamer | jenia: and what version of debian are you using now? |
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| 16:30.23 | jenia | the latest version. i downloaded it yesterday. |
| 16:30.31 | ImaLamer | kk |
| 16:30.32 | jenia | for some reason i cant link the site |
| 16:30.35 | sambagirl | quick questions. does D7 support compiz? does it support gnome 2? do you have upper and lower panels? can you add applets to upper / lower panels? |
| 16:31.17 | ImaLamer | sambagirl: if you like gnome 2, and are running wheezy try XFCE |
| 16:31.23 | jenia | i didnt install compiz yet and i dont know about the panels. it has some panel on top and it holds icons and stuff |
| 16:31.59 | jenia | the site is: packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:32.03 | jhutchins_wk | jenia: It's likely that they haven't set it up as a debian repository. If they have, they should have directions for adding it. |
| 16:32.05 | ImaLamer | sambagirl: XFCE acts like it's not gnome, but if i squint... i can't see much of a difference |
| 16:32.36 | Luticus | jenia have you set the non free repos in your sources? |
| 16:32.45 | sambagirl | haha |
| 16:32.45 | jhutchins_wk | !iwlwifi |
| 16:32.46 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 16:33.14 | Luticus | because I believe that's in non-free. according to: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi anyway |
| 16:33.18 | ImaLamer | jenia: yeah, that's a standard package in non-free... you can enable these repositories in tools such as synaptic |
| 16:33.34 | jenia | okay thanks |
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| 16:33.42 | sambagirl | the gnome 3.8 uses extensions i pre sue it works for d7 |
| 16:33.46 | jenia | is there a url that i can use to add it directly to the sources.list file? |
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| 16:34.04 | Luticus | just add non-free in sources |
| 16:34.10 | jhutchins_wk | jenia: Yes, /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 16:34.48 | Luticus | like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 16:34.52 | ImaLamer | jenia: you'll basically copy a 'deb' line in your sources list and edit the end to non-free |
| 16:34.54 | jhutchins_wk | jenia: That's in one of the official debian repos. |
| 16:34.58 | ImaLamer | as Luticus said :D |
| 16:35.02 | Luticus | then save |
| 16:35.08 | ImaLamer | then update! |
| 16:35.11 | jhutchins_wk | ImaLamer: No, she should not copy the line, should add to it. |
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| 16:35.27 | ImaLamer | jhutchins_wk: i meant... transcribe |
| 16:35.33 | jhutchins_wk | ImaLamer: If she sends the msg to dpkg she will get correct instructions. |
| 16:35.34 | Luticus | yea, just append contrib and non-free to get the entire repo |
| 16:35.59 | jhutchins_wk | I think it's lunchtime. |
| 16:36.02 | ImaLamer | i apologize, i use mirrors and grab from different URLS |
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| 16:55.53 | voxadam | Why is it that when I ssh to my Debian box using PuTTY my number pad doesn't function? |
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| 16:56.27 | Luticus | voxadam: I think that's got more to do with putty than debian :) mines the same way |
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| 16:57.08 | ImaLamer | voxadam: as in it doesn't transmit numbers? |
| 16:57.28 | voxadam | ImaLamer: correct |
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| 16:58.01 | voxadam | Luticus: I'm sure it's some term issue but term confuses me. |
| 16:58.32 | Luticus | voxadam: check this out: http://www.tc.state.mn.us/classes/generic/editors/keypad.html |
| 16:58.37 | strixUK | i've installed the mailman package on my system, but it seems that there are additional configuration steps required and the various how-tos and other documentation conflicts in places and I'm unsure how much i should take into my own hands and how much i should leave alone |
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| 16:58.51 | voxadam | strixUK: Thanks. I'll take a look. |
| 16:58.57 | ImaLamer | voxadam: go to config, terminal, features -> Disable application keypad mode |
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| 16:59.06 | voxadam | strixUK: wrong person |
| 16:59.18 | voxadam | Luticus: Thanks. I'll take a look. |
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| 17:00.06 | ImaLamer | voxadam: that's all you need to do, it seems, the keypad mode will send escape characters as opposed to numbers |
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| 17:00.32 | strixUK | for example: instructions i've found suggest adding the aliases generated by newlist to /etc/aliases manually. i can do that when creating lists at the shell, but i'm wondering whether it's worth configuring postfix with an additional aliases file so that web-based creation will work |
| 17:00.50 | voxadam | ImaLamer: Thanks. That was easy (for once). |
| 17:01.19 | voxadam | Now I just need to figure out why ncurses apps look weird. |
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| 17:01.38 | ImaLamer | weird how? |
| 17:02.31 | voxadam | Hmmm... I'll have to find something to demonstrate. I think it was debconf that I last saw it in. |
| 17:02.45 | ImaLamer | voxadam: try this... Window → Translation → Handling of line drawing characters: Use Unicode line drawing code points |
| 17:03.24 | ImaLamer | voxadam: and change the dropdown box at the top of that page to UTF-8 |
| 17:03.52 | ImaLamer | from http://www.koerner.in/2011/08/ugly-borders-and-lines-in-curses-based-programs-using-putty/ |
| 17:03.55 | voxadam | ImaLamer: Thanks. Now I just need to figure out how to tet it. |
| 17:04.28 | voxadam | Hmmm... that screws with my zsh prompt. |
| 17:05.12 | voxadam | Maybe I should find something to test ncurses in before I state for the record that it's messed up. |
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| 17:05.23 | voxadam | I'm tired and I might be remembering wrong. |
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| 17:07.38 | ImaLamer | looks like putty likes it one way or another |
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| 17:11.14 | voxadam | Yeah. PuTTY (or KiTTY in my case) isn't the greatest. I'd avoid it all together but, unfortunately, I have to spend a lot of time working from a Windows workstation. If only my CAD package would run on Linux. |
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| 17:12.45 | ImaLamer | Putty gets the job done, usually |
| 17:13.26 | voxadam | That it does. |
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| 17:13.42 | ImaLamer | i changed the font one one install (it's running on a TV, I wanted bigger text) and lost the underscore key... |
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| 17:13.52 | ImaLamer | it is annoying but i'm too lazy to change it back |
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| 17:16.48 | voxadam | It's bad when I get into moods like this. I don't feel like doing any real work so I end up screwing with my .zshrc, .vimrc, terminal colors, dircolors, etc... |
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| 17:17.56 | ws2k33 | does debian default use grub2? |
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| 17:18.06 | ImaLamer | ws2k33: now |
| 17:18.21 | ghking | hello everyone. i have a problem. i just "apt-get purge"some gnome games. then apt note me that many package should be autoremoved.when i followed, many program lost even gedit |
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| 17:19.37 | ImaLamer | why you no read the list it wanted to remove? |
| 17:20.46 | ghking | it noted so much and most of them i do not know |
| 17:20.52 | ws2k33 | okay i already have a partition with data. and i have one disk with nothing i wanne set them in raid1 is this a good tutorial to go with? |
| 17:20.53 | ws2k33 | http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-software-raid1-on-a-running-system-incl-grub2-configuration-debian-squeeze-p2 |
| 17:21.18 | ImaLamer | ghking: just add back the stuff you want (i.e. gedit) |
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| 17:23.22 | inhumantsar | ws2k33: that looks like a good tutorial for your uses |
| 17:23.35 | ghking | but i do not what autoremove them and then add them back.it is fool |
| 17:24.08 | inhumantsar | though imo, i usually find it easier and more stable to backup your data and install fresh |
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| 17:25.26 | inhumantsar | ghking: are you sure you didn't apt-get purge something important? |
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| 17:25.46 | inhumantsar | can you show us the command you used? |
| 17:25.49 | ImaLamer | ghking: they were suggested as autoremoved because they came with something else - so explicitly have debian install them on their own |
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| 17:26.11 | ghking | ok |
| 17:26.18 | ImaLamer | ghking: inhumantsar is onto something - my first thought was a typo in your remove/purge could have dragged other gnome-* related stuff possibly |
| 17:26.52 | ImaLamer | but you still have apt, and with this we can fix it :) |
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| 17:28.19 | ghking | apt-get purge +some game package like iagno |
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| 17:29.35 | ImaLamer | ghking: the autoremove won't remove config files so you really just need to re-install what you want and all should be well in Denmark |
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| 17:31.12 | ghking | thanks |
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| 18:04.15 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: There are programs that can do that, but make sure you have a backup first. |
| 18:04.45 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: It's usually safer to boot from some other medium (live CD, etc.). |
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| 18:22.59 | gehel | hello ! I'm trying to setup LVM + Crypto with preseed, but partitioning fails with "An error occured while creating the keyfile". Where can I find doc, better log files or ideas on how to fix this ? |
| 18:23.08 | gehel | relevant part of my preseed : http://pastebin.com/4wdZSEXt |
| 18:23.17 | danols_work | ok interesting dillema, running /etc/init.d/apache start shows the errors to the console, but running service apache2 start does not which makes troubleshooting hard - and since service is now the preffered way to run these scripts how do I have it spit out a verbose error log |
| 18:23.24 | danols_work | error message I mean |
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| 18:24.24 | jhutchins_wk | danols_work: /var/log/apache/* |
| 18:24.41 | danols_work | checked those |
| 18:24.43 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.00 | danols_work | that error message is not there |
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| 18:25.39 | danols_work | no you guys are missing what I am saying - /etc/init.d/apache start spits out: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/development.yupi.ca: No such file or directory |
| 18:25.42 | danols_work | it does not put in the log |
| 18:26.05 | danols_work | running service apache start silents that and so unless I knew the first way of running apache I wouldn't know what went wrong |
| 18:26.29 | danols_work | it seems service needs a --verbose option |
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| 18:29.07 | danols_work | can someone confirm my reasoning ? |
| 18:29.11 | ompaul | danols_work: try to connect to http://development.yupi.ca/ |
| 18:29.21 | ompaul | danols_work: that's all I'm going to say |
| 18:29.29 | danols_work | ompaul you guys are missing the point |
| 18:29.35 | danols_work | forget apache please hear me out |
| 18:29.43 | ompaul | that site exists |
| 18:30.07 | danols_work | ompaul the issue is with SERVICE comand silencing errors that apache never logs |
| 18:30.12 | ompaul | I get whatelse you are saying I pointed to the full capacity of logging in apache I'm saying tweek it to to death |
| 18:30.23 | danols_work | forget apapche |
| 18:30.26 | tecna1 | ’m new to Linux. Over few days I found lots of software distributed as .tar.gz file. How do I install tar.gz files under Linux? |
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| 18:30.36 | ompaul | tecna1: not on debian |
| 18:30.42 | danols_work | what if I typed service cheeseballs - and if it failed - I would only get ERROR output |
| 18:30.44 | ompaul | or at least not usually |
| 18:31.14 | ompaul | danols_work: and I'd say look at the config for cheeseballs - in particular where it logs stuff - see if what you want is muted |
| 18:31.29 | gehel | tecna1 : try to find if that software is already packages for debian (there is a pretty good chance that it is) and use apt-get to isntall it automatically |
| 18:31.29 | danols_work | ompaul - tell me what I am saying |
| 18:32.01 | danols_work | nevermind this is pointless, service needs an option to run service --verbose apache start |
| 18:32.05 | gehel | tecna1: else, it depends on the tar.gz, there is probably a README file inside it that you should follow |
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| 18:32.11 | ompaul | danols_work: you are saying the issue is that service foobar start is not starting the logs - I'm suggesting that the error you are seeing on the cli may not be something that service in fact logs |
| 18:32.21 | tecna1 | gehel: okay |
| 18:32.26 | ompaul | tecna1: what are you trying to install? |
| 18:32.41 | ompaul | tecna1: as gehel said most likely that package exists for debian already |
| 18:33.03 | danols_work | no ompaul I am saying that the old way /etc/init.d/apache start would spit out any start up errors to console so you know, service apache starts silences them and just says error |
| 18:33.11 | tecna1 | chromium |
| 18:33.15 | danols_work | very confusing for anyone that will only know the 'service' command |
| 18:33.23 | ompaul | danols_work: file a bug |
| 18:33.33 | danols_work | yes that's exaclty what I am doing |
| 18:33.38 | ompaul | tecna1: there is such a package for debian |
| 18:33.39 | danols_work | glad we agree |
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| 18:35.15 | tecna1 | ompaul: ok |
| 18:35.22 | ompaul | danols_work: I'm also saying that you should check the config to test that such a beast is actually supposed to be logged - which I think you missed (maybe) even if you don't think it is sensible |
| 18:35.27 | ompaul | !tell tecna1 about repos |
| 18:36.00 | ompaul | tecna1: do /msg dpkg <things-here> without the <> and get more info |
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| 18:36.33 | danols_work | what beast ? ompaul apache or the 'service' command |
| 18:36.41 | ompaul | danols_work: check for 2&1> in the startup |
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| 18:36.54 | ws2k3 | on my machine i dont use swap is it possible to create a boot partition on the place where now swap is ? |
| 18:37.48 | ompaul | ws2k3: generally a bad idea some day you will need even a little bit of it and your machine will stall and then you may actually be in an inconsitent state |
| 18:37.53 | danols_work | what package includes/install the service script is it just main ? |
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| 18:38.26 | ompaul | danols_work: afik it still in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:38.36 | confrey | hi everybody! |
| 18:38.38 | Warp4 | hi |
| 18:38.43 | ws2k3 | ompaul thanks for the advice no offence but i was asking if it would be possible not if it would be wise to do |
| 18:39.06 | ompaul | ws2k3: anything is possible, be advised it is not advised. |
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| 18:40.14 | confrey | ok, just installed compiz in Debian stable (from unstable), I installed compiz and its dependencies only, with ccsm too; it works, but when I'm running under compiz, some menu elements are not visualized well, I can't see fonts, but blank little rectangles only |
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| 18:40.37 | confrey | what's missing? |
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| 18:40.57 | danols_work | hmm good old apt-file - why do i forget you |
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| 18:45.01 | killown | what /etc/rc.local in debian is for?, it does not start anything |
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| 18:45.24 | jelly-home | !rc.local |
| 18:45.26 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 18:46.08 | confrey | sambagirl, ah ah .... I saw you, you're trying to go into ubuntu channel... :D |
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| 18:46.33 | mumpitzel | @dab-bhx1-h-#zT : Help with unregistered channels |
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| 18:48.53 | dmbaturin | I mounted an NFS dir on squeeze, ls -al doesn't show correct ids and group permissions dont't seem to work. What may I do wrong? |
| 18:49.11 | dmbaturin | "drwxrwxr-x 4 4294967294 4294967294 4096 Jun 7 20:35 clients" |
| 18:49.17 | rsd | is it possible to inject a /etc/adduser.conf during install of a debootstrap chroot? |
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| 18:53.32 | inhumantsar | dmbaturin: what options did you use while mounting? |
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| 18:54.08 | ws2k3 | how can i move my /boot to a seperate partition and boot from there? |
| 18:54.33 | mumpitzel | you copy it over and reinstall grub |
| 18:54.47 | Cueball | I have recently upgraded to wheezy and I've noticed that aptitude no longer has descriptions for everything. Just a webpage. Is this a setting I'm missing or is this how it's decided to be used now? |
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| 18:56.01 | sambagirl | haha confrey i'm busted |
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| 18:56.13 | HelenaKitty | I need sftp to work |
| 18:56.20 | HelenaKitty | How do I turn it on? |
| 18:56.27 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: install openssh-server |
| 18:56.28 | HelenaKitty | I followed this guide |
| 18:56.30 | HelenaKitty | http://blog.fealdia.org/2012/06/05/debian-squeeze-how-to-create-sftp-only-chroot/ |
| 18:56.33 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel, It is installed |
| 18:56.36 | HelenaKitty | SSH is working |
| 18:56.41 | HelenaKitty | just not SFTP |
| 18:56.47 | mumpitzel | do you really need to put your SFTP in a chroot? |
| 18:56.47 | danols_work | to myself: nevermind I must have imagined my issue - service spits out to console - ohh well tgif |
| 18:57.01 | confrey | so I try again : what's about fonts disappearing while running compiz? I see blank rectangles instead of characters |
| 18:57.10 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel, I haven't bothered with a chroot |
| 18:57.16 | HelenaKitty | Guys? |
| 18:57.21 | mumpitzel | then you don't need to do anything |
| 18:57.21 | HelenaKitty | pls could u just tell me how to do it? |
| 18:57.28 | mumpitzel | how are you testing your sftp server? |
| 18:57.28 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel, clearly I do |
| 18:57.36 | HelenaKitty | as SFTP doesn't work out of the box |
| 18:57.42 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel, With gftp |
| 18:57.53 | ImaLamer | wrong port possibly |
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| 18:57.57 | HelenaKitty | nope |
| 18:58.00 | HelenaKitty | using port 22 |
| 18:58.08 | ImaLamer | confrey: gnome3? |
| 18:58.18 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: grep sftp /etc/ssh/* |
| 18:58.28 | confrey | ImaLamer, no, xfce... |
| 18:58.49 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel, What do u want from it? |
| 18:59.00 | mumpitzel | the output obviously |
| 18:59.04 | ImaLamer | confrey: asking out of curiosity because i have a gnome3 missing character issue (though not using compiz) |
| 18:59.36 | ImaLamer | confrey: what if.. guessing here... you changed the font being used by XFCE as a test? |
| 18:59.40 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel, http://paste.debian.net/9074/ |
| 19:00.04 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: see line two. it's started |
| 19:00.14 | HelenaKitty | mumpitzel, then explain why it doesn't work. |
| 19:00.18 | mumpitzel | HelenaKitty: so what error message do you get with gftp? |
| 19:00.26 | HelenaKitty | everyone elses SFTP server works with gftp |
| 19:00.29 | HelenaKitty | excluding mine |
| 19:00.30 | dmbaturin | inhumantsar: rw,intr,sec=sys |
| 19:00.34 | HelenaKitty | which doesn't work with even the sftp command |
| 19:00.52 | HelenaKitty | Error: Could not read from socket: Connection reset by peer |
| 19:01.01 | HelenaKitty | yet i can SSH in |
| 19:01.07 | HelenaKitty | I am on SSH now |
| 19:01.15 | ImaLamer | mumpitzel / HelenaKitty .. could line 3 be the issue? |
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| 19:01.43 | ImaLamer | have we restarted SSH after the changes |
| 19:01.54 | HelenaKitty | felicia > ssh s98259@10.1.1.2 |
| 19:01.54 | HelenaKitty | Enter passphrase for key '/home/s98259/.ssh/id_rsa': |
| 19:01.54 | HelenaKitty | Write failed: Broken pipe |
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| 19:01.57 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, Yep |
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| 19:01.58 | confrey | Imalamer, no, but perhaps may be an idea |
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| 19:02.06 | HelenaKitty | ins3, Yep I always do |
| 19:02.09 | HelenaKitty | tht wasn't a flood |
| 19:02.13 | HelenaKitty | that was just 3 lines |
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| 19:02.45 | jmd | /etc/mtab tells me that /mnt/var is mounted. But umount says it is not. |
| 19:03.30 | inhumantsar | dmbaturin: one thing you might want to check.. NFS uses numeric GID/UIDs when figuring out permissions |
| 19:03.47 | ImaLamer | HelenaKitty: but you have it set for chroot |
| 19:03.53 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, Nope |
| 19:03.59 | HelenaKitty | I didn't do the chroot part |
| 19:04.06 | inhumantsar | so even if "joe" is logging in and the share is owned by "joe" if the two "joe" accounts have different UIDs then the NFS share won't give out perms properly |
| 19:04.11 | mumpitzel | you did the "restrict to group" part however |
| 19:04.17 | dmbaturin | inhumantsar: I created a group with the same id on both server and client. Or you mean something else? |
| 19:04.27 | Cueball | Anyone know why I only get a webpage instead of a description in aptitude? |
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| 19:04.41 | ImaLamer | HelenaKitty: comment out the match group line and restart SSH |
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| 19:05.21 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, I changed something now I get |
| 19:05.21 | dmbaturin | inhumantsar: And anyway why may I see those weird long ids instead of group/user ids from passwd/group? |
| 19:05.26 | HelenaKitty | This service allows sftp connections only. |
| 19:05.28 | inhumantsar | dmbaturin: check /etc/group on the server and client. the numeric Ids (eg: the 999 in joegroup:x:999:joe) need to match |
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| 19:05.57 | inhumantsar | long ids? |
| 19:06.21 | HelenaKitty | but... |
| 19:06.24 | HelenaKitty | I can SFTP in :D |
| 19:06.34 | ImaLamer | hrm |
| 19:06.37 | dmbaturin | inhumantsar: "drwxrwxr-x 2 4294967294 4294967294 4096 May 27 15:19 test". |
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| 19:07.32 | ImaLamer | did we break SSHD in the process though HelenaKitty? |
| 19:07.35 | inhumantsar | dmbaturin: oh yeah, those are weird. they don't match your GIDs anywhere? |
| 19:07.54 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, I doubt it |
| 19:07.54 | dmbaturin | inhumantsar: No. Actual group id on both machines is 1099. |
| 19:07.56 | mumpitzel | ImaLamer: note how HelenaKitty didn't tell you WHAT he changed |
| 19:08.01 | HelenaKitty | she |
| 19:08.03 | mumpitzel | ImaLamer: and to what |
| 19:08.04 | HelenaKitty | Helena is a girls name |
| 19:08.13 | ImaLamer | or a mountain |
| 19:08.16 | HelenaKitty | I removed some chroot thing idk was there |
| 19:08.18 | mumpitzel | you are a cat. "it" then |
| 19:08.42 | HelenaKitty | I'm a girl kitty so "she" |
| 19:08.56 | abrotman | no one cares |
| 19:09.00 | ImaLamer | HelenaKitty: if you have a whole match user/group section at the end ... comment it all out to be safe/sure |
| 19:09.04 | inhumantsar | dmbaturin: and i imagine you've already tried re-chowning the whole share eh? |
| 19:09.26 | ImaLamer | on the internet no one knows you're a dog |
| 19:09.28 | thewanderer1 | Hi. Would you mind having a look at my iptables/routing woes? I've been trying to get help on ##networking and #Netfilter, but not much response there, so I hope to find networkical enlightenment here... |
| 19:09.42 | dmbaturin | inhumantsar: Sure. That's why I ask. I chowned and checked on the server and on a CentOS client, works perfectly. |
| 19:09.46 | mumpitzel | ImaLamer: woof! |
| 19:09.50 | ImaLamer | enlightenment is our specialty |
| 19:09.50 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, I use AllowUser and DenyUser |
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| 19:10.49 | ImaLamer | i'd just be sure to double check subsystem / force command lines against each other too |
| 19:11.31 | ImaLamer | a few years ago this gave me all types of issues because i was doing something at 4 AM and wasn't catching simple mistakes (and was following a bad tutorial to boot) |
| 19:11.35 | inhumantsar | dmbaturin: have you tried mounting without rw? maybe that've overriding the sec=sys |
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| 19:11.49 | thewanderer1 | Packets are getting lost. Not just dropped, but lost somewhere in the routing process. I expect this setup [ http://paste.debian.net/9068/ ] to be able to DNAT HTTP requests from WAN to a host on interface lan0. However, I can't see a single packet leaving lan0 - and the TRACE seems to confirm that... |
| 19:12.07 | inhumantsar | dmbaturin: sorry, not that much of an expert on nfs. your setup sounds like it's in good order. |
| 19:12.23 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, http://pastie.org/8020434 |
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| 19:13.09 | thewanderer1 | dmbaturin: regarding NFS, which version? 3 or 4? can you check `mounts` and verify? |
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| 19:14.22 | ImaLamer | HelenaKitty: if you don't have users in the sftponly group... you might as well comment out those lines with # |
| 19:14.34 | ImaLamer | or otherwise add those three users to that group :) |
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| 19:15.11 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, But I do have users in the sftponly group |
| 19:15.30 | abrotman | would just change their shell to scponly .. |
| 19:15.33 | ImaLamer | oh... and if it's working as intended then ... you are good |
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| 19:15.41 | drchaos | Why when I try to install libgtk-3-dev using apt-get once it says Size mismatch for a couple packages and then I try again and it works? |
| 19:15.44 | ImaLamer | what he did/said |
| 19:15.50 | drchaos | all of those packages install, that is |
| 19:16.03 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, but I can't SSH |
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| 19:16.08 | HelenaKitty | which is what I want to do |
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| 19:16.25 | HelenaKitty | felicia > ssh s98259@10.1.1.2 |
| 19:16.26 | HelenaKitty | Enter passphrase for key '/home/s98259/.ssh/id_rsa': |
| 19:16.26 | HelenaKitty | This service allows sftp connections only. |
| 19:16.32 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, ^ |
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| 19:16.57 | abrotman | i bet reading the docs would help |
| 19:17.13 | ImaLamer | because you've told SSHD to only allow those sftp connections - so user s98259 has no shell |
| 19:17.26 | ImaLamer | they shouldn't be in the sftponly group - but in your allowed users |
| 19:17.57 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, I want certain users to only have SFTP access to the system |
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| 19:18.08 | ImaLamer | but not s98259 |
| 19:18.16 | drchaos | Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libv/libvorbis/libvorbis-dev_1.3.2-1.3_i386.deb Size mismatch |
| 19:18.20 | HelenaKitty | s98259 is my account so should get full access |
| 19:18.30 | ImaLamer | then remove just that user from the group |
| 19:18.33 | JasonWoof | I can't seem to fix my mysql permissions. This is a new server, still in virtualbox on my home computer. I think I messed up the tables when I loaded a mysqldump from my old server. I'm guessing this borked my mysql logins because it overwrote the mysql.user table |
| 19:18.46 | JasonWoof | I've followed a few tutorials, and nothing seems to work |
| 19:19.11 | JasonWoof | can I delete all the databases and start over? |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | you can .. |
| 19:19.20 | ImaLamer | JasonWoof: why not? |
| 19:19.29 | abrotman | JasonWoof: there's a factoid about fixing that table .. |
| 19:19.30 | inhumantsar | JasonWoof: apt-get purge |
| 19:19.37 | inhumantsar | start fresh :) |
| 19:20.02 | JasonWoof | I've done mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables, use mysql; update user set password=PASSWORD("newrootpassword") where user='root'; flush plivilages |
| 19:20.15 | abrotman | and what? |
| 19:20.15 | JasonWoof | I've done mysqld_safe --init-file=foo.sql |
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| 19:20.25 | JasonWoof | and when I restart mysql, I still get access denied errors |
| 19:20.33 | HelenaKitty | ImaLamer, Removed from group and same problem |
| 19:20.33 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 19:20.51 | JasonWoof | now I only get them when I mysql -u root -p; and then try to grant all on *.* to 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' identified by 'sntahoeusnth' with grant option; |
| 19:21.20 | JasonWoof | inhumantsar: yeah, guess I'll have to. and then re-install php5-mysql |
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| 19:21.38 | inhumantsar | JasonWoof: It'll be much more painless in the end |
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| 19:21.45 | inhumantsar | now that you know what went wrong |
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| 19:22.38 | JasonWoof | oh, php mysql plugin doesn't dep on the server |
| 19:22.51 | JasonWoof | inhumantsar: true, no need to make that mistake again |
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| 19:23.16 | HelenaKitty | fixed |
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| 19:23.27 | HelenaKitty | thnx ImaLamer |
| 19:23.30 | ImaLamer | after restarting SSHD? |
| 19:23.33 | ws2k3 | when i try to mount my boot partition it says you most specify a filetype |
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| 19:24.39 | abrotman | so do that |
| 19:24.49 | IBLUES76 | Hi. I have an older mac book pro at home. I'm thinking this weekend to install Debian 7. I think just popping the CD should be enough to boot. I don't it matters that uses EFI ... right? |
| 19:25.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell IBLUES76 about efi |
| 19:25.33 | abrotman | should be okay |
| 19:25.47 | drchaos | ew mac efi |
| 19:26.00 | drchaos | it's not even UEFI |
| 19:26.14 | inhumantsar | dpkg: tell inhumantsar about efi |
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| 19:26.54 | inhumantsar | nifty |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell inhumantsar about selftell |
| 19:27.28 | inhumantsar | cool, thanks. i'll keep that in mind |
| 19:27.31 | HelenaKitty | I'm locked out of root user |
| 19:27.36 | IBLUES76 | abrotman: thanks!!!! |
| 19:27.42 | teraflops | IBLUES76: consider refit or a hfs efi partition (no journaling) for dual boot |
| 19:28.02 | IBLUES76 | teraflops: I don't want dual boot... thanks! |
| 19:28.13 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: you should probably hire a system admin |
| 19:28.21 | HelenaKitty | nope |
| 19:28.24 | teraflops | nice |
| 19:29.04 | HelenaKitty | abrotman, Cause... |
| 19:29.05 | HelenaKitty | Adding user `s98259' to group `sudo' ... |
| 19:29.05 | HelenaKitty | Adding user s98259 to group sudo |
| 19:29.09 | HelenaKitty | So fuck ur ass |
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| 19:29.27 | abrotman | HelenaKitty: no need for that type of language, have a good day |
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| 19:30.11 | IBLUES76 | dkpg: tell IBLUES76 selftell |
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| 19:30.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell IBLUES76 about selftell |
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| 19:31.20 | IBLUES76 | abrotman... I didn't know... now I know :) so msg... then |
| 19:31.28 | teraflops | abrotman: is there any way of asking dpkg with /msg or similar, no output to the channel? |
| 19:31.37 | abrotman | IBLUES76: sure, if you want to ask yourself and know what you're looking for |
| 19:31.42 | abrotman | teraflops: sure, /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:31.43 | JasonWoof | ahh, now /etc/init.d/mysql works :) thank you inhumantsar and others |
| 19:31.50 | teraflops | thx abrotman |
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| 19:32.10 | abrotman | there's also a web interface (with some data lag IIRC) |
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| 19:33.26 | mutante | gets 'open (28: No space left on device)' errors when trying to apt-get upgrade, about files in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ , but df shows nothing as full, and /var/cache is also not a special mount afaict ... wth? |
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| 19:33.48 | inhumantsar | JasonWoof: glad to hear it! np |
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| 19:34.10 | thewanderer1 | mutante: df -i |
| 19:34.26 | mutante | thewanderer1: oooh, so right, out of inodes, of course :P |
| 19:34.45 | mutante | thanks for the reminder..bah |
| 19:35.44 | IBLUES76 | abrotman: Does this #debian channel has any relation to the "official" one in OFTC ? |
| 19:36.28 | mutante | wonders what official means anyways |
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| 19:39.09 | IBLUES76 | s/"official"/other |
| 19:39.29 | jhutchins_wk | IBLUES76: Lots of overlap, to the extent that we ask people not to cross-post questions. |
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| 19:39.47 | jhutchins_wk | IBLUES76: Like this channel, it's just fellow users helping each other out. |
| 19:40.10 | mutante | Icinga + Puppet = eats all my inodes |
| 19:40.26 | IBLUES76 | thanks |
| 19:40.38 | dmbaturin | thewanderer1: NFS4. I've found idmapd didn't start by default. When I enabled it, everything is now nobody:nogroup, regardless of actual ownership on the server. |
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| 19:41.29 | thewanderer1 | dmbaturin: do you actually intend to use NFSv4 with its idmap features? It's entirely possible that CentOS uses NFSv3 by default and Debian chooses NFSv4. |
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| 19:42.31 | dmbaturin | thewanderer1: Likely not. Will try mouning with vers=3 |
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| 19:42.57 | dmbaturin | * mounting |
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| 19:49.48 | jhutchins_wk | mutante: icinga + puppet = LOTS of files. |
| 19:50.05 | ImaLamer | in Gnome 3, having hinting on I lose characters here and there in menus and etc - what font is default for gnome3/wheezy? |
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| 19:52.30 | ImaLamer | ah freesans allows me to have hinting and actually see the characters |
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| 19:56.01 | abrotman | IBLUES76: lots of the same people in both .. just another gathering place |
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| 20:01.18 | ws2k3 | how van i change grub so it used another partition to boot from |
| 20:01.44 | roberts | does anyone know virtual networking well (kvm / qemu)? |
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| 20:01.52 | mumpitzel | ws2k3: is your new /boot/ partition in place? |
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| 20:02.19 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 20:02.36 | mumpitzel | then reinstall grub |
| 20:02.43 | ws2k3 | i have /boot and i have /boott /boott is my new location(mounted from the partition) |
| 20:02.43 | ws2k3 | how |
| 20:03.23 | mumpitzel | then your new /boot/ is NOT in place |
| 20:03.31 | thewanderer1 | roberts: you could just ask the question |
| 20:03.56 | ws2k3 | ah i cant just change it to /boott? |
| 20:04.16 | mumpitzel | you can, if you want to do stupid things. knowing you... |
| 20:04.48 | ws2k3 | okay so thats not recommanded |
| 20:04.53 | ws2k3 | so i just need to remove boot |
| 20:05.00 | ws2k3 | and create a new /boot mounted |
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| 20:05.39 | mumpitzel | don't remove before you back up |
| 20:06.44 | ws2k3 | yeah i back it up |
| 20:06.53 | ws2k3 | did cp boot boott |
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| 20:09.16 | roberts | I wanted to make sure this is the right place. When I use scp to copy a file to /dev/null I get transfer rates of 50MB/s When I try run scp on the guest machine to get a file from the host and copy it to /dev/null I get transfer rates of 3MB/s Obliviously, I would like higher transfer rates |
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| 20:10.10 | roberts | Any ideas why the guest is slower than the host to copy the file? I didn't expect it to be x20 slower. |
| 20:10.27 | hays | anyone here know postfix? I am having problems with an email guide, specifically three configuration parameters that either don't exist, or are not patched in |
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| 20:10.47 | hays | virtual_create_maildirsize=yes, virtual_maildir_extended=yes, dovecot_destination_recipient_limit=1 |
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| 20:12.01 | roberts | I am using wheezy if that makes a difference |
| 20:13.44 | ImaLamer | roberts: are all copies on your host OS slow (running in a VM?) |
| 20:13.56 | ImaLamer | er guest |
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| 20:14.49 | roberts | ImaLammer: Let me double check right now. |
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| 20:16.49 | roberts | ImaLamer: The other guests seem even slower accessing the host's files |
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| 20:17.36 | roberts | ImaLamer: My network is host -> firewall (guest) iptables masq -> all other guests |
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| 20:20.19 | RJ45 | hi, I'm real sick of the pile of bullshit Ubuntu has turned into in the past few years, so I'm migrating to Debian, one question: why is the DVD Download page separated into 3 .ISOs around 400MB in size? |
| 20:20.52 | mumpitzel | RJ45: link? |
| 20:20.53 | cusco | you only need the first one |
| 20:20.57 | Monotoko | I'm stuck at busybox after running a dist-upgrade on an xen machine - I'm getting that a few modules aren't found in modules.dep, that no devices listed in mdadm were found and /dev/disk/by-udid/389..etc doesn't exist |
| 20:21.05 | RJ45 | why not just one big 4GB .ISO? |
| 20:21.07 | Monotoko | what could be causing it? |
| 20:21.25 | mumpitzel | RJ45: link? |
| 20:21.32 | Monotoko | ohh, and to add insult apparantly job control is turned off |
| 20:21.34 | frostschutz | RJ45, you could just use the netinst |
| 20:22.33 | RJ45 | frostschutz: 1) can't Internet connection is bad, 2) even if I could, never. |
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| 20:22.51 | frostschutz | oh sorry, don't expect bad connection with RJ45 :D |
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| 20:23.21 | RJ45 | mumixam: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 20:23.29 | RJ45 | mumpitzel: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 20:23.36 | RJ45 | mumixam: sorry, wrong tab |
| 20:23.54 | mumpitzel | RJ45: 3.7, 4.3 and 4.4 GB |
| 20:23.55 | frostschutz | RJ45, those are 4GB not 400MB though |
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| 20:24.02 | mumpitzel | where do you see 400MB? |
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| 20:25.02 | RJ45 | mumpitzel: ironically, my Smartphone has better Internet than my Desktop X_X ..Opere Browser for Android says those sizes |
| 20:25.11 | RJ45 | Opera* |
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| 20:25.24 | mumpitzel | then I suggest you get a different browser |
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| 20:26.11 | frostschutz | make your smartphone provide internet to your desktop then :-} |
| 20:26.28 | frostschutz | you won't need most of what's on those DVD isos |
| 20:26.54 | frostschutz | and for security you'll have to download new stuff anyway, so ... |
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| 20:27.23 | mumpitzel | I hope you have unlimited data on your smartphone or a single ISO will exhaust your monthly limit, and then there won't be anything fast about it anymore |
| 20:28.15 | RJ45 | mumpitzel: that the thing, although both from same provider, my Smartphone has unlimited and costs less per month, but my Desktop connection IS limited and costs more per month! >.< |
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| 20:38.16 | roberts | is their a KVM / QEMU channel? |
| 20:38.56 | roberts | found the channel |
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| 20:39.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 20:39.45 | ws2k3 | i have mounted boot to another partition and copy the boot directory and added the mount to fstab what else should i do to make the system boot? |
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| 20:41.31 | mumpitzel | for the third time: reinstall grub |
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| 20:41.43 | ws2k3 | how |
| 20:41.50 | mumpitzel | man grub-install |
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| 20:42.24 | mumpitzel | and run os-prober and grub-update. then check your grub.cfg |
| 20:42.24 | ws2k3 | so i have to install grub on the new partition? |
| 20:42.31 | mumpitzel | no |
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| 20:43.05 | ImaLamer | grub needs to find it |
| 20:43.21 | ws2k3 | i did a dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 20:43.28 | ws2k3 | and i selected the new partition there |
| 20:43.34 | ws2k3 | but that didnt do the job |
| 20:43.53 | Jeudi | Hi. Any Netatalk 3 users around? |
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| 20:45.27 | mumpitzel | grub will find it |
| 20:45.35 | ws2k3 | yes grub did find it |
| 20:45.44 | ws2k3 | else i wasnt able to select the new partition it should use |
| 20:45.56 | ImaLamer | then what's the outcome exactly ws2k3 |
| 20:46.01 | ws2k3 | so i selected the new partition there and finished the wizard and rebooted but still it was unable to boot |
| 20:46.28 | ImaLamer | where does it fail? |
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| 20:47.04 | ws2k3 | i dont know |
| 20:47.11 | ws2k3 | grub only says file not found |
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| 20:47.49 | ws2k3 | when i finished dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc it told me this http://pastebin.com/QFJCaQsE |
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| 20:48.06 | ImaLamer | when doing all this updating of grub are you putting it back on the MBR? |
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| 20:48.44 | ws2k3 | imalamer i had a /boot on the /partition before i wanne create a seperate boot partition |
| 20:49.06 | ImaLamer | ws2k3: yeah, but where are you updating grub |
| 20:49.19 | ws2k3 | so i create /dev/sda5 and set to ext3 and copyed the boot directory in there |
| 20:49.25 | ws2k3 | just dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 20:49.58 | mumpitzel | why do you want to reinstall grub to a partition? |
| 20:50.21 | ompaul | they may be hinting you should install it on /dev/sda |
| 20:50.30 | ompaul | as in install grub to the disk |
| 20:51.03 | ws2k3 | grub is installed on /dev/sda1 my data partition |
| 20:51.06 | ws2k3 | there my linux is located |
| 20:51.07 | ImaLamer | ws2k3: if you are updating grub and it's going to /dev/sdaX |
| 20:51.18 | ImaLamer | there is likely your issue |
| 20:51.34 | ompaul | ws2k3: are you dual booting |
| 20:51.37 | ws2k3 | no |
| 20:51.39 | socomm | n/c |
| 20:51.46 | ws2k3 | i just have one OS |
| 20:51.55 | ompaul | install grub to /dev/sda |
| 20:52.00 | ImaLamer | ws2k3: then install grub to /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 |
| 20:52.15 | ImaLamer | you have grub on _sda_ now but it's not been updated |
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| 20:53.14 | ws2k3 | okay but how? |
| 20:53.59 | mumpitzel | man grub-install |
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| 20:54.14 | ImaLamer | same steps, when it asks where to go just leave off the number after _sda_ |
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| 20:54.54 | ws2k3 | so i need to select /dev/sda |
| 20:55.04 | ws2k3 | in dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 20:55.09 | ws2k3 | instead of /dev/sda5 |
| 20:55.15 | ImaLamer | right |
| 20:55.29 | ws2k3 | ok thats done |
| 20:55.32 | ws2k3 | anything else? |
| 20:55.38 | ImaLamer | give it a go |
| 20:55.40 | errorist | hi guys, Just inserted a old graphic card I was given. HD4870, what driver should I use for this? I had a hard time even getting a tty open after boot. |
| 20:55.42 | ws2k3 | ok |
| 20:56.14 | ws2k3 | ok when i boot i come in grub but i cannot boot further |
| 20:56.31 | errorist | How to use the xserver-xorg-video-{radeon,ati} drivers? |
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| 20:57.55 | ImaLamer | errorist: are you on wheezy or earlier? |
| 20:58.03 | errorist | wheezy |
| 20:58.06 | anddam | most of the methods at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html are marked "legacy", then there's "Do not use these automatic network configuration tools for servers. These are aimed primarily for mobile desktop users on laptops. |
| 20:58.34 | anddam | I'm setting a LAN server, can I just go with a static route in /etc/network/interfaces like I'm used to? |
| 20:59.32 | anddam | I mean those "legacy" make it looks like wrong |
| 20:59.38 | ws2k3 | ok now i'm able to boot |
| 20:59.40 | mumpitzel | anddam: of course |
| 20:59.50 | ImaLamer | errorist: did you install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 20:59.53 | ImaLamer | ws2k3: win |
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| 21:00.00 | errorist | ImaLamer: I installed both :) but not sure how to configure the xorg.conf |
| 21:00.18 | ws2k3 | but my boot directory is emty |
| 21:00.28 | ws2k3 | when i booted up there even wasnt a boot directory |
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| 21:00.37 | ImaLamer | errorist: i didn't read that far yet for your card |
| 21:00.52 | anddam | mumpitzel: mm I see "The network connection method" suggests using ifupdown method |
| 21:00.53 | errorist | driver radeon was not enough. but it a old modified conf file generated from nvidia-xconfig :p |
| 21:01.17 | adrianu | i have a computer that came with windows 8 and a uefi motherboard |
| 21:01.21 | mumpitzel | anddam: what has that to do with interfaces? |
| 21:01.27 | adrianu | when i installed debian there was no option to boot from it |
| 21:01.38 | adrianu | not even a grub boot menu -- it booted straight to win8 |
| 21:01.43 | ImaLamer | errorist: are you coming off an nvidia card now? |
| 21:01.46 | mutante | jhutchins_wk: actually... 335630 ./spool/snmptt ..narf :) |
| 21:01.51 | anddam | mumpitzel: those two are both related to interfaces file |
| 21:02.10 | errorist | ImaLamer: yea, but removed all traces of driver exept the xorg.conf |
| 21:02.18 | errorist | and modified it |
| 21:02.22 | mumpitzel | yes, but ifupdown has nothing to do with where to configure your network |
| 21:02.44 | mumpitzel | errorist: you do not need a xorg.conf |
| 21:02.51 | mumpitzel | not with radeon |
| 21:02.59 | ImaLamer | errorist: could you rename and move the conf and reboot? |
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| 21:03.05 | ImaLamer | as mumpitzel is suggesting |
| 21:03.37 | ImaLamer | and 'man 4 radeon' from the command line and read up |
| 21:03.42 | errorist | mumpitzel: so I have heard, can i just delete it then? |
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| 21:04.07 | mumpitzel | don't delete but rename to something else |
| 21:04.12 | ImaLamer | errorist: when in doubt, back it up |
| 21:04.25 | errorist | ok. ill try and see if x starts |
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| 21:05.12 | ImaLamer | am i wrong in suggesting his x config hacks could go in his home directory |
| 21:05.23 | ImaLamer | and i gotta afk so i'll never know |
| 21:05.37 | anddam | mumpitzel: that's what's written in chapter 5.4, also I guess ifupdown reads interfaces |
| 21:06.16 | mumpitzel | of course it does. but the config is either via interfaces or network-manager. interfaces is your ONLY way |
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| 21:07.30 | errorist | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 <from Xorg log.. |
| 21:07.44 | ws2k3 | what is wrong with this rule UUID=ee8bbe9e-4538-493c-bdd1-cfc51cacfca6 /boot ext3 defaults 0 0 |
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| 21:08.33 | errorist | Im on 2.6 kernel :p (the only one that didnt crash with the new card teamed up with the old config) So a restart could help |
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| 21:10.01 | mumpitzel | ws2k3: why did you make your /boot ext3? |
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| 21:10.40 | dizzylizzy | why is it a bad thing to make /boot ext3 |
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| 21:10.48 | dizzylizzy | it's fine and there aren't any real negative effects |
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| 21:10.55 | ws2k3 | what else shoulde i make it ? |
| 21:11.02 | errorist | x started. yay :) It looks good apart from glxgears refusing to run |
| 21:11.04 | dizzylizzy | mumpitzel will probably recommend ext2 |
| 21:11.24 | ws2k3 | well then i shall change it into ext2 no problem |
| 21:11.28 | ws2k3 | but i have another issue |
| 21:11.36 | ws2k3 | my boot folder isnt mounted when the OS is booted |
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| 21:12.11 | ompaul | !glxgears |
| 21:12.11 | dpkg | glxgears is probably an OpenGL demo, or <bogomips> for graphics cards. It is not a benchmark. In fact, in recent versions you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark option in order to report FPS information. Provided by the mesa-utils package. |
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| 21:13.29 | mumpitzel | ompaul: it's not a bencmark but a quick way to see "does opengl work" |
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| 21:14.00 | errorist | -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark lol |
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| 21:14.22 | jacklk | Is the UK server having problems? Very slow speed (7,000 bytes). |
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| 21:16.02 | thewanderer1 | jacklk: 7000 bytes per what? per fortnight? |
| 21:16.30 | jacklk | per second when downloading from it |
| 21:19.37 | moof2 | ]that's quite fast |
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| 21:20.36 | jacklk | yes |
| 21:21.02 | jacklk | turns out I was being DDoSed |
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| 21:26.00 | cliff__ | What would I have to do in order to set up a screen session on boot. Like, when the computer starts, tty1 comes up, and I can connect to it via ssh |
| 21:26.05 | cliff__ | so "screen -x <session_name>" |
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| 21:36.39 | Cueball | Is there a base meta package for Debian? I done an upgrade to wheezy and during the upgrade there were many packages uninstalled. I beleive some important ones may have been affected. |
| 21:37.11 | ImaLamer | Cueball: likely they were replaced with better ones? |
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| 21:37.49 | Alikexhi | some problem there to make wifi work with debian, can someone help ? |
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| 21:38.26 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: which wifi chip/card/stick |
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| 21:38.51 | Cueball | ImaLamer: Yeah probably. I'm having trouble installing some things. I had trouble installing postfix and now having trouble installing munin-node. Both failed when working with the init scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 21:39.13 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, well, my wifi card is confugured well, everything was working, but I changed mr rooter from WEP to WPA2 and now it doesn't work |
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| 21:40.04 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: and the client machine sees it's WPA2 now? And the password provided is correct? |
| 21:40.43 | ImaLamer | Cueball: if you run 'apt-get -f install' is there packages listed/ |
| 21:40.55 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, well, with iwlist scan, my machine can see it |
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| 21:42.09 | ImaLamer | it sees the router, shows it's WPA2 |
| 21:42.21 | Alikexhi | yes, wpa2 and wpa1 compatible |
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| 21:43.12 | Alikexhi | (I did a configuration on my rooter wpa1/2 which makes both working |
| 21:43.16 | Cueball | ImaLamer: There is now. 4 munin-* packages. But was clear before I tried installing them |
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| 21:43.26 | Cueball | I had the same problem with postfix |
| 21:43.36 | yareckon | Hi folks, wheezy installer is telling me a step failed "installing the system" |
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| 21:43.45 | yareckon | where do I go to get a log of what actually happened? |
| 21:43.45 | moof2 | Alikexhi, then your wireless card (hardware, firmware and driver) are working |
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| 21:44.05 | yareckon | this is a live cd |
| 21:44.06 | Cueball | ImaLamer: I had to create an empty /etc/init.d/postfix file for it to work. |
| 21:44.06 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: sounds like you are having problems then authenticating? |
| 21:44.20 | ImaLamer | Cueball: odd |
| 21:44.26 | Cueball | Yes very odd. |
| 21:44.56 | ImaLamer | Cueball: I'd think the package would provide one... that's not empty |
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| 21:45.41 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, well very strange, it just worked with wicd |
| 21:45.56 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, so my global config should be dirty ? |
| 21:46.08 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: it's why i've used wicd on some machines! |
| 21:46.28 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: ...i'm not sure to be honest |
| 21:46.46 | hyppias | in stalled named and it seems to work, judging from nslookup. I set the server to the brand new local dns server and try www.google com which works well. however when I try to ping a local computer, hotel.mydomain.lan, it cannot find it... pinging by IP goes well. any suggestions? |
| 21:47.08 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, I followed this guide but didn't work http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/ |
| 21:48.13 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, oh ! forgot an underline on the SSID XD |
| 21:48.19 | Alikexhi | maybe twas that |
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| 21:49.00 | Cueball | ImaLamer: I tried that with postfix. It was failing with the one in place. So I purged the config, which IIRC left the init script in place, then I deleted it. Re-installed postfix but that failed as it didn't install the init script in place even though it's in the .deb file! |
| 21:49.02 | ImaLamer | Cueball: is this the first time you've install postfix? |
| 21:49.06 | Alikexhi | dhcpdiscover is trying to go on the bad ip adresse, very strange |
| 21:49.26 | ImaLamer | ah oka |
| 21:50.00 | ImaLamer | Cueball: the only thing I'm reading is that you have to create that empty file and then install |
| 21:50.13 | ImaLamer | but that's an old article |
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| 21:51.32 | ImaLamer | and not a debian one... |
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| 21:53.23 | ImaLamer | i've had a headache all day, any tips? |
| 21:53.29 | Alikexhi | any advice for upgrade from wheezy to jessie ? |
| 21:53.39 | Alikexhi | should I use aptitude or apt-get this time ? |
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| 21:54.42 | ImaLamer | why not use apt-get? |
| 21:54.55 | moof2 | Alikexhi, what would have you wanting that? is there a problem in wheezy? |
| 21:55.18 | moof2 | (ok, presence of dracut in wheezy is a problem...) |
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| 21:56.46 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, aptitude is supposed to be adviced by debian documentation, because deeper dependency management I guess |
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| 21:57.06 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, but for squeeze to wheezy there was an exception : they advice to use apt-get |
| 21:57.10 | Alikexhi | instead) |
| 21:57.24 | moof2 | If I were to upgrade to wheezy, how can it be possible to make sure dracut never touches my machine (not installed, not download the .deb) |
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| 21:57.36 | Alikexhi | moof2, well I try to be more up-to-date, that's why i keep my system in testing |
| 21:57.38 | killown | how can I fix it http://bpaste.net/show/HYYXzeoNwJ5mw27TEZVP/ apt-get can't install anything more |
| 21:57.47 | ImaLamer | i've always used apt-get... |
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| 21:57.51 | ImaLamer | i should RTFM |
| 21:58.08 | Alikexhi | RTFM ? |
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| 21:58.32 | ImaLamer | read the fine manual |
| 21:58.54 | moof2 | (and "fine" is a very weak word...) |
| 21:59.02 | robert__ | How do I turn vhost on for kvm / qemu? I added vhost_net to /etc/modules and rebooted. vhost_net appears when I run lsmod |
| 21:59.09 | yareckon | yeah it's funny that every debian tutorial or list of debian features has apt-get install foo in it |
| 21:59.15 | ImaLamer | just avoiding a kick/ban :D |
| 21:59.26 | yareckon | when official debian policy is to advise using aptitude |
| 21:59.50 | ImaLamer | but that's an extra character to type!!! |
| 22:00.24 | moof2 | and the - is a little hard to reach for |
| 22:00.46 | ImaLamer | i guess with the shift key it's six in one hand... |
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| 22:02.08 | moof2 | sure (in my case no shift is necessary) |
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| 22:02.27 | Alikexhi | yareckon, +1, they don't give the example ^^ |
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| 22:02.58 | ImaLamer | wait, wtf am i thinking moof2 ... you're right |
| 22:03.31 | Alikexhi | (personnally I use aptitude but when it wants to uninstall half of my system for no reason I use apt-get :D) |
| 22:03.33 | ImaLamer | killown: how did you get to that spot? |
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| 22:03.55 | yareckon | Alikexhi, I seem to have the opposite problem |
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| 22:04.08 | yareckon | aptitude always wants to uninstall everything on me |
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| 22:04.21 | yareckon | I think you just need to stick to one on a given machine |
| 22:04.29 | Alikexhi | yareckon, that's what I say |
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| 22:04.40 | moof2 | yareckon, what they found is, aptitude tends to try harder to find things like conflicts, and one place where this is problematic is in the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 22:04.59 | moof2 | so, they gave up on aptitude |
| 22:05.03 | yareckon | hmmm |
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| 22:05.11 | Alikexhi | moof2, that's why I was asking if there was the same problem from wheezy to jessie |
| 22:05.31 | Alikexhi | I'm about to do the update |
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| 22:05.41 | moof2 | right, personally I don't know |
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| 22:05.52 | Alikexhi | no one here is using jessie ? |
| 22:06.07 | moof2 | jessie is very new |
| 22:06.41 | moof2 | typically, when a new stable is released, the next testing is initially identical to stable |
| 22:06.42 | yareckon | I am... |
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| 22:07.00 | DreamPCs | Hey guys, how do I install flash for Chromium? |
| 22:07.01 | yareckon | but that's because I run testing whatever the name is |
| 22:07.12 | Alikexhi | moof2, but should evolve while wheezy will be kinda freezed no ? |
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| 22:07.36 | yareckon | I'm getting a ton of updates, if that's what you mean... |
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| 22:07.58 | fongseiyuc | Hi |
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| 22:08.02 | yareckon | Hi there |
| 22:08.17 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: isn't it installed with Chromium? |
| 22:08.18 | Alikexhi | where is that thing about apt::release ? |
| 22:08.36 | fongseiyuc | What groups must a user be to use an optical device? |
| 22:08.40 | DreamPCs | I thought so to but I can't seem to watch videos in it. |
| 22:08.44 | Alikexhi | I mean the config file for Default-release |
| 22:08.44 | moof2 | as developers upload to unstable (can't upload to testing directly), as a package is watched for bugs, if there are none for like 2 weeks (4 weeks?), unstable will "leak" the package, which drops into testing |
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| 22:08.50 | yareckon | ImaLamer, I don't think it could be included with the open source Chromium |
| 22:08.50 | DreamPCs | I get the typical yellow bar plug-in required. |
| 22:09.03 | yareckon | (flash that is) |
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| 22:09.18 | DreamPCs | So I need to install Chrome? |
| 22:09.23 | Alikexhi | moof2, they don't upload to experimental first ? |
| 22:09.26 | yareckon | Or install flash :) |
| 22:09.45 | yareckon | yeah, flash ships with Chrome |
| 22:09.46 | moof2 | no, experimental is for particularly broken packages |
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| 22:10.04 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs / yareckon : never thought about flash not being in chromium vs. chrome ... makes sense |
| 22:10.04 | DreamPCs | Is there a quick terminal command to install flash? |
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| 22:10.17 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: do you have non-free packages enabled/ |
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| 22:10.26 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, you can have flash without chrome ^^ |
| 22:10.50 | DreamPCs | I don't believe I do, this is a fresh install of wheezy |
| 22:11.18 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, you need "non-free" in your source.list line |
| 22:11.29 | moof2 | for example, when X maintainership went to Brandon Robinson, he put the X packages in experimental while he was working on the pre/post install/remove scripts |
| 22:11.30 | Alikexhi | for flash) |
| 22:11.56 | lord_rob | add contrib also (unrelated) |
| 22:12.00 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: edit your /etc/sources.list and append non-free to one of the lines |
| 22:12.14 | Alikexhi | moof2, it seems most experimental apps works well with stable and testing |
| 22:12.25 | Alikexhi | moof2, I mean thing not about the system itself |
| 22:12.38 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: then apt-get update and then you can install flash |
| 22:12.41 | Alikexhi | moof2, like games) |
| 22:13.29 | moof2 | that can change in a heartbeat tho |
| 22:13.59 | ImaLamer | i swear i'm going to pee my pants from all this coffee |
| 22:14.11 | Cueball | ImaLamer: No it wasn't the first time I've installed postfix. It just failed on upgrading. |
| 22:14.15 | moof2 | I got something for that... |
| 22:14.16 | ImaLamer | if only this disposable cup on my desk wasn't clear |
| 22:14.17 | moof2 | but |
| 22:14.23 | moof2 | the first step is to stand up |
| 22:14.46 | ImaLamer | if only the wireless nic in this laptop wasn't physically dead |
| 22:15.16 | moof2 | can you replace it? |
| 22:16.12 | Cueball | I bought a brand new laptop and the wireless nic was having trouble connecting to AP's and staying connected. Took the panel off and one of the antenna was disconected. |
| 22:16.17 | DreamPCs | Ok, working on it, just a sec. |
| 22:16.33 | ImaLamer | oh, i have three USB ones here but they seem to get hot and need to be pulled here and there |
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| 22:18.07 | DreamPCs | ImaLamer, my etc/sources.list file is empty |
| 22:18.36 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, you made an error on the path I guess |
| 22:18.45 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, it's /etc not etc |
| 22:18.48 | DreamPCs | Yeah I must have |
| 22:18.58 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, use tab key to access it |
| 22:19.00 | DreamPCs | I have the preceding / there, sorry. |
| 22:19.11 | DreamPCs | What I did was: su - to a prompt |
| 22:19.18 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, /et+tab/sou+tab |
| 22:19.23 | DreamPCs | then "nano /etc/sources.list" |
| 22:19.29 | DreamPCs | I'll try that, 1 sec. |
| 22:19.46 | Alikexhi | (+tab= tab key) |
| 22:20.23 | mtn | DreamPCs: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:20.25 | ImaLamer | moof2: you know, the weird thing about this NIC is it does work in windows xp fine and it isn't even there in linux |
| 22:20.33 | DreamPCs | Ah thank you mtn |
| 22:20.50 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs / mtn : that was my mistake, i left out apt |
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| 22:21.29 | DreamPCs | I have wheezy main and wheezy updates, neither commented out |
| 22:21.34 | ImaLamer | is sick |
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| 22:21.39 | moof2 | ImaLamer, so it's not physically broken then? |
| 22:21.54 | Cueball | ImaLamer: Restarting munin-node..invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/munin-node not found. |
| 22:22.23 | mtn | DreamPCs: put non-free after main for wheezy |
| 22:22.35 | Cueball | ImaLamer: Even though the package has a script it seems it never gets placed in /etc/init.d |
| 22:22.38 | ImaLamer | moof2: i assumed it is somewhat broken or the firmware is just no good |
| 22:22.38 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, , then it's near "main", if you want all options, you can add "contrib" and "non-free" |
| 22:22.44 | moof2 | ImaLamer, is it usb? |
| 22:22.54 | ImaLamer | moof2: not this one |
| 22:22.57 | moof2 | well maybe... do you want to explore that now? |
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| 22:23.09 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, which will look like "deb blablabla.org main contrib non-free" |
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| 22:23.13 | ImaLamer | Cueball: i'm not sure |
| 22:23.16 | DreamPCs | So literally add the words contrib and non-free |
| 22:23.18 | moof2 | are we talking about two different machines? |
| 22:23.26 | ImaLamer | moof2: no this machine here |
| 22:23.30 | DreamPCs | Ok, I think I got it, one sec. |
| 22:23.47 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, on the uncommented line only (the other lines will not be applied) |
| 22:23.51 | ImaLamer | moof2: it's as if the switch is off always when running under debian |
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| 22:24.02 | moof2 | could we give "this machine here" a name just for this conversation?: |
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| 22:24.25 | DreamPCs | On the deb and deb src lines? |
| 22:24.40 | ImaLamer | laptop or HP |
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| 22:25.09 | moof2 | to make sure, you have no other laptops? |
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| 22:25.14 | ImaLamer | nope |
| 22:25.18 | Alikexhi | aptitude full-upgrade doesn't look very well :( should I run aptitude upgrade before ? (or use apt-get instead) for wheey to jesssie ; lotsa conflicts |
| 22:25.23 | moof2 | ok, laptop is good :) |
| 22:25.46 | moof2 | in laptop, is the wireless a usb thing? |
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| 22:26.09 | ImaLamer | no, it's the built-in NIC |
| 22:26.16 | moof2 | (here's where I'm going: |
| 22:26.45 | moof2 | I think we can find out what hardware it is, and from that know what firmware if any, and what driver) |
| 22:27.05 | moof2 | sound good? |
| 22:27.18 | mtn | Alikexhi: what does "not very well" mean? maybe you should paste relevant commands and errors |
| 22:27.19 | ImaLamer | i know it's a broadcomm and years ago it was one of the BCM packages that would get it to work |
| 22:27.36 | moof2 | we should be able to get that to work... |
| 22:28.00 | ImaLamer | but even using lspci it doesnt' show |
| 22:28.11 | moof2 | if you run: lspci -nn | grep -i net | wc -l |
| 22:28.36 | moof2 | I would imagine you would get 2... what do you actually get? |
| 22:28.39 | ImaLamer | returns simply "1" |
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| 22:29.02 | moof2 | interesting. take off the | wc -l |
| 22:29.05 | ImaLamer | removing the 'wc' |
| 22:29.09 | moof2 | and show the line |
| 22:29.15 | ImaLamer | it's my wired interface |
| 22:29.22 | moof2 | which is working |
| 22:29.31 | moof2 | yes? |
| 22:29.32 | ImaLamer | 00:14.0 Bridge [0680]: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller [10de:0269] (rev a3) |
| 22:29.35 | ImaLamer | right |
| 22:29.43 | Alikexhi | mtn, well I forgot to remove experimental repositories I think it was the problem, only 4 things to remove now |
| 22:29.51 | moof2 | ok, howbout... |
| 22:29.53 | ImaLamer | to the chagrin of my girlfriend who hates seeing this cable across the floor |
| 22:29.56 | mtn | Alikexhi: sounds like progress |
| 22:30.10 | moof2 | lspci -nn | grep -i broad |
| 22:30.19 | Alikexhi | mtn, yeah :D just hoping I will not be forced to use pulse-audio |
| 22:30.41 | mtn | Alikexhi: what DE are you running? or windowmanager? |
| 22:30.49 | Alikexhi | mtn, openbox |
| 22:30.49 | ImaLamer | nada |
| 22:30.55 | moof2 | hmm |
| 22:31.09 | mtn | Alikexhi: I would think you can install that without pulse |
| 22:31.19 | ImaLamer | i've run it with both the little switch on and off |
| 22:31.31 | moof2 | ok, dunno what else to do, so: lspci -nn | less |
| 22:31.42 | moof2 | and see if you can find your wireless |
| 22:32.10 | Alikexhi | mtn, I installed some debians on several friends computers and I saw pulseaudio everywhere coming from nowhere last time I went on their computers |
| 22:32.27 | mtn | Alikexhi: pulse in required by gnome |
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| 22:32.29 | Alikexhi | mtn, seems to be default now, ubuntu-like |
| 22:32.32 | mtn | in=is |
| 22:32.41 | moof2 | one thing that's possible is it's an internal usb |
| 22:32.45 | ImaLamer | every other device I see is known to me (nvidia chipset stuff, ricoh card reader, etc) |
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| 22:33.11 | mtn | Alikexhi: not really like Ubuntu, just new software. progres, you know? :) |
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| 22:33.17 | moof2 | and you don't see anything you don't recognize? |
| 22:33.31 | Alikexhi | mtn, not sure pulse-audio is progress... |
| 22:33.35 | ImaLamer | right, nothing unexpected |
| 22:33.55 | moof2 | so it's not connected using pci bus |
| 22:33.59 | mtn | Alikexhi: you are in a minority |
| 22:34.10 | Alikexhi | mtn, windows is a majority : |
| 22:34.11 | Alikexhi | :D |
| 22:34.20 | digitalirony | so, lets say I have two hardware nodes with the same hardware. I want to cluster them and present them as a single VM, with shared resources. Is there a good way to do this? |
| 22:34.31 | ImaLamer | and no surprises on lsusb either, it's a short list |
| 22:34.39 | moof2 | Alikexhi, don't remind us... no, really... |
| 22:34.54 | Alikexhi | moof2, just meaning majority doesn't mean better |
| 22:34.57 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: actually android is the majority now |
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| 22:35.45 | moof2 | which runs linux :) |
| 22:35.57 | ImaLamer | right, we won |
| 22:36.08 | ImaLamer | right here in #debian, thanks guys :P |
| 22:36.16 | moof2 | but are you sure that in android vs iphone, iphone didn't win? |
| 22:36.42 | digitalirony | pretty sure android has more, because its not just on phones |
| 22:36.47 | ImaLamer | oh yeah, a few months ago android became the most used OS worldwide |
| 22:36.52 | digitalirony | and also, because its not locked into one specific hardware |
| 22:36.59 | Alikexhi | moof2, I want a gentoo phone without java applications :D |
| 22:37.05 | digitalirony | n900 |
| 22:37.15 | digitalirony | you can run linux on it that isn't android |
| 22:37.19 | ImaLamer | and since *most* of those kernel hacks have been folded back in.... |
| 22:38.01 | Alikexhi | runing linux under the main OS of android or instead ? |
| 22:38.11 | ImaLamer | everyone forgets that there are those chinese and indian tablets/phones that aren't ARM based that millions of people have there |
| 22:38.44 | moof2 | android uses a linux kernel |
| 22:38.54 | digitalirony | linux is just the kernel |
| 22:38.59 | digitalirony | the rest is GNU |
| 22:39.07 | moof2 | not necessarily |
| 22:39.11 | ImaLamer | i believe the proprietary portion of android, surfaceflinger and the java/not-oracle-java intepreter is what makes android not equal to saing it's 'gnu/linux' |
| 22:39.12 | digitalirony | yes |
| 22:39.26 | digitalirony | linux is the name of the kernel, not the system around it |
| 22:39.29 | moof2 | it's very definitely possible to have a "linux" and not a "gnu/linux" |
| 22:39.41 | ImaLamer | which is what android was |
| 22:39.44 | moof2 | it's always been possible since 1994 |
| 22:39.47 | ImaLamer | essentially |
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| 22:40.09 | ImaLamer | stallman is going to show up and cuss us all out |
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| 22:40.22 | moof2 | whatever. it's none of his business |
| 22:40.26 | ImaLamer | lol |
| 22:40.28 | Alikexhi | there is a 100 % linux/GNU phone no ? something like "open bocco" ? |
| 22:40.51 | ImaLamer | well, that ubuntu phone should be close i guess |
| 22:40.58 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: the n900 |
| 22:41.05 | digitalirony | you can run pure linux on it |
| 22:41.19 | digitalirony | special architecture, like ARM or PPC I think |
| 22:41.27 | digitalirony | but its still 100% gnu/linux |
| 22:41.33 | moof2 | the basic deal is, if you can get a libc, a compiler and tools none of which are supplied by gnu (one possibility, bsd stuff), that would not be gnu at all |
| 22:41.34 | digitalirony | and not mixed |
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| 22:41.41 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, I mean GNU/linux, not ubuntu ;) |
| 22:41.55 | digitalirony | moof2: ahh, yeah your right, I didn't think of it like that |
| 22:42.16 | moof2 | having said all that (about it being possible), I like gnu tools, I find them robust for the most part |
| 22:42.24 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: with the nokia n900 you can run ANY gnu/linux that support the hardware |
| 22:42.35 | digitalirony | like debian |
| 22:42.38 | digitalirony | or arch |
| 22:42.50 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, sounds nice, I must get that |
| 22:42.52 | digitalirony | moof2: oh yeah, I love GNU heh |
| 22:42.59 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: its an old phone |
| 22:43.14 | digitalirony | I think the GeeksPhone is newer and does the same? |
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| 22:43.27 | digitalirony | heh |
| 22:43.32 | digitalirony | I mean what do you define as a phone? |
| 22:43.41 | moof2 | I used to LOVE LOVE LOVE emacs... I still use it because I know it, but (for example) the gui emacs doesn't play well with the system cut/paste buffer |
| 22:44.02 | digitalirony | cause you could get something like a raspberry pi, hook up a mic, and speakers, and a screen..... |
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| 22:44.11 | digitalirony | maybe find a 4G chip for it |
| 22:44.13 | digitalirony | lol |
| 22:44.16 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, if I can get phone network without having to run wicd that should be fine :D |
| 22:44.16 | digitalirony | would that be a phone? |
| 22:44.22 | ImaLamer | VoIP makes anything a phone... eventually |
| 22:44.28 | digitalirony | thats what I |
| 22:44.30 | digitalirony | yeah |
| 22:44.31 | digitalirony | lol |
| 22:45.13 | ImaLamer | i read a while ago that a guy is claiming you can assemble an android-type-like phone now for cheap because most parts are off-the-shelf... the shelf being suppliers in asia mostly |
| 22:45.35 | moof2 | and there are other things about the gui emacs that I don't like, one of which is it doesn't use the insertion point metaphor, which makes it clunky and hard to use |
| 22:45.46 | ImaLamer | on GSM i'd guess the radio is even standardized/open (i'm on CDMA which holds up releases because it's not open) |
| 22:46.16 | moof2 | I don't have a similar problem with the text-only emacs, and I tend to use nano at least half the time |
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| 22:46.36 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, did you try n900/other gnu ? I wonder if it's full of laggy java apps too |
| 22:46.38 | ImaLamer | i use the editor joe and feel like a failure because i have no desire to use anything else |
| 22:46.59 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: isn't that a java feature? |
| 22:47.22 | moof2 | ImaLamer, btw sorry we couldn't find your wireless |
| 22:47.35 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: the only n900 I ever used was just a plain debian install |
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| 22:47.46 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, you mean the system would be the same as a desktop system but available on the phone ? |
| 22:47.53 | digitalirony | and it wasn't the fastest thing the world |
| 22:47.56 | digitalirony | but it did work |
| 22:48.04 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: yes thats what it would be |
| 22:48.07 | ImaLamer | moof2: i've given up on it really - the cable i confiscated from the step son works as well as the cheap wireless nics laying around |
| 22:48.20 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: it just full on debian but running on a phone sized computer |
| 22:48.35 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, but how do you phone with it ? XD |
| 22:48.47 | ImaLamer | they are just small computers now, no need to make the distinction here - they just have radios that can talk to cell towers :D |
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| 22:49.31 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, if it can also phone it can be nice too :D |
| 22:49.39 | ImaLamer | moof2: i wish i could find out why the two nics i was using heat up like they do |
| 22:50.27 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: find software for it and use it? |
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| 22:51.03 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: phone == computer with 4g/3g/GSM radios in them |
| 22:51.05 | digitalirony | that is all |
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| 22:51.50 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, but I think in my country you have to use a proprietary part to connect to the network.They don't give specs |
| 22:52.26 | ImaLamer | if you are outside the US, prob not |
| 22:52.28 | Alikexhi | not sure it's possible to phone with the existing apps |
| 22:52.35 | ImaLamer | most everyone uses GSM and that's mostly open |
| 22:52.51 | dondelelcaro | Alikexhi: AFAIK, everyone either uses GSM or CDMA... |
| 22:53.01 | dondelelcaro | (unless they're still in the stone ages) |
| 22:53.07 | Alikexhi | :D |
| 22:53.08 | ImaLamer | google prob has most of that code in their AOSP project |
| 22:53.26 | ImaLamer | CDMA is what you'll find to be closed... it's why Qualcomm is worth so much now |
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| 22:53.43 | digitalirony | yeah, Alikexhi just use voip..... |
| 22:53.51 | digitalirony | don't pay a greedy provider |
| 22:54.10 | ImaLamer | they used to make just an email client and listening to CNBC in the background I suddenly hear their target stock price is/was soon to be $600/share |
| 22:54.25 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, which mean you can only phone to other people using voip ? |
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| 22:54.33 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: no |
| 22:54.35 | ImaLamer | so qualcomm transformed itself and did it by researching voice compression for email |
| 22:54.39 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: I know of a hack you could do |
| 22:54.45 | digitalirony | but you would have to learn alot to do it |
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| 22:54.51 | digitalirony | you can use google voice |
| 22:54.56 | digitalirony | if its available in your country |
| 22:55.20 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: you can use various services for VoIP to Phone (pots) bridging |
| 22:55.21 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, I pay a bit more than 2 dollars for unlimited phone so i can't complain XD |
| 22:55.21 | digitalirony | well, the hack works in the US, but you can probably figure it out |
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| 22:55.54 | digitalirony | basically, I figured out that ipkall gives free washington state phone numbers, fo incoming calls only |
| 22:56.11 | digitalirony | and google voice will let you make free outgoing calls, as long as it can 'link' them to an incoming number... |
| 22:56.34 | digitalirony | with a script like in perl or something, and asterisk server in between |
| 22:56.44 | digitalirony | you can make 100% free calls from your phone easy peasy |
| 22:56.49 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, what if they discover you're doing that ? |
| 22:56.53 | ImaLamer | give out the gvoice number, have that ring ipkall then ipkall can ring services/servers |
| 22:56.57 | digitalirony | its not illegal |
| 22:57.26 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, nice tricks, if one day I go living in US I'll try to find about that |
| 22:57.27 | digitalirony | so who cares if they discover it |
| 22:57.28 | ImaLamer | if you don't want to run asterisk then use ummm... what's that service digital? |
| 22:57.42 | digitalirony | oh um |
| 22:57.44 | digitalirony | the app? |
| 22:58.02 | digitalirony | I forget, there is an app, that connects to that free service |
| 22:58.04 | ImaLamer | no, the service that will allow you to add gvoice trucks, etc |
| 22:58.05 | digitalirony | that does the 'hack' for you |
| 22:58.08 | digitalirony | yeah |
| 22:58.11 | digitalirony | I don't remember it |
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| 22:58.22 | digitalirony | the android app sets it up for you |
| 22:58.33 | digitalirony | and replaces your 'dial' with it etc |
| 22:59.22 | moof2 | is it possible to record phone conversations under android? |
| 22:59.23 | digitalirony | I think its sipdroid that sets it up with the service, but I forget the 3rd parties name |
| 22:59.33 | digitalirony | moof2: im sure its possible |
| 22:59.34 | ImaLamer | yeah sipdroid will |
| 22:59.38 | digitalirony | the government does it |
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| 23:00.17 | digitalirony | oh ImaLamer its PBXes |
| 23:00.27 | ImaLamer | actually recording is a more involved hack because of state laws in the USA |
| 23:00.44 | ImaLamer | that's it! GrooVe IP should set it up too/use it |
| 23:00.49 | digitalirony | yeah |
| 23:01.11 | digitalirony | ImaLamer: have you watched the news lately? |
| 23:01.26 | ImaLamer | moof2: some states you are required to inform the other party, others you don't, etc ... so the recording aspect might violate laws, blah, blah and then you're in a legal grey area |
| 23:01.38 | digitalirony | the US government is recording every single call that goes in and out of verizon, and other providers |
| 23:01.41 | ImaLamer | not watched, per se |
| 23:01.48 | digitalirony | as well as have access to your pictures, and text messages |
| 23:02.02 | digitalirony | its really big deal in the news pas two days |
| 23:02.05 | ImaLamer | yeah |
| 23:02.19 | digitalirony | they are recording people, from their phones, when they aren't even using them o.0 |
| 23:02.25 | digitalirony | and can also see from the camera any time |
| 23:02.27 | ImaLamer | that's been happening too |
| 23:02.33 | digitalirony | bacsically phones are trojaned now |
| 23:02.36 | ImaLamer | it's why you need removable batteries |
| 23:02.44 | digitalirony | but its not the government that bothers me.... |
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| 23:02.57 | digitalirony | its those 14 year old kids that hack the pentagon for fun... |
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| 23:03.01 | ImaLamer | that was demonstrated years ago, the turning on of a MIC from remote locations |
| 23:03.11 | digitalirony | imagine if they could get into the master/controll server |
| 23:03.21 | ImaLamer | honestly, it's not the gov't that scares me. or google. it's the combination of the two |
| 23:03.22 | mattfury | can i dist-upgrade ubuntu to debian? |
| 23:03.34 | ImaLamer | mattfury: no |
| 23:03.50 | digitalirony | ImaLamer: its the 3rd parties that can hack/bribe/fight/ their way into that information that scares me more than any company |
| 23:03.50 | mattfury | i already got some backtrack tools |
| 23:03.56 | digitalirony | worst thing a company will do is spam me |
| 23:04.16 | digitalirony | mattfury: you CAN.....but don't do it |
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| 23:04.24 | digitalirony | it won't work |
| 23:04.28 | digitalirony | well, work correctly |
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| 23:04.40 | mattfury | ettercap is fun to watch information |
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| 23:05.00 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, in order to phone how you said, you still need a way to connect to internet with your phone, right ? |
| 23:05.23 | digitalirony | well yes |
| 23:05.24 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, or a network = pay ? |
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| 23:05.38 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, is it 100 % free so ? |
| 23:05.45 | digitalirony | yes |
| 23:06.03 | digitalirony | well, I mean....I know how to crack WEP.... |
| 23:06.14 | digitalirony | so its 100% free for me :P |
| 23:06.18 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, so you can phone only when you're near wifi ? |
| 23:06.26 | ImaLamer | information about you has been collected and sold for years - i worked as a marketing database guy... experian already has the goods on everyone |
| 23:06.29 | digitalirony | I do it over 4G too |
| 23:06.32 | mattfury | digitalirony: talk to the guys with 100 bots and X GBPs booters |
| 23:06.42 | mattfury | o_0 |
| 23:06.57 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: i'm looking at an android phone now that I only use on Wifi (i canceled the service years ago) |
| 23:06.58 | digitalirony | mattfury: talk to them about what |
| 23:07.06 | chrisirc__ | Somehow network manager out of the blue doesn't allow me to change the networking anymore, showing me a popup reading " device disconnect failed not authorized to disconnect connections" |
| 23:07.11 | chrisirc__ | What's up? |
| 23:07.14 | mattfury | i wouldnt they will bot you |
| 23:07.19 | chrisirc__ | Restarting network-manager didn't fix it. |
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| 23:07.44 | digitalirony | chrisirc__: try unloading and reloading your hardware modules? |
| 23:07.44 | chrisirc__ | I can't even *disconnect* the current wifi network :~O |
| 23:07.55 | ImaLamer | in three channels today i see nothing but bad stuff about network-manager today |
| 23:08.06 | digitalirony | yeah, I hate network-manager |
| 23:08.06 | chrisirc__ | hmm, k trying (btw no messages at all in syslog nor kern.log so far) |
| 23:08.18 | digitalirony | nothing in dmesg either? |
| 23:08.24 | ImaLamer | lost all ability to grammar |
| 23:08.27 | chrisirc__ | nope |
| 23:08.27 | digitalirony | what about at the console itself? |
| 23:08.29 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, well in my country phone is really cheap, as I say I pay near 2 dollars per month, but the reason I'm looking for a GNU phone would be to have an ergonomic and fast phone |
| 23:08.51 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, and also because I guess the price goes down when you don't pay for apps etc |
| 23:08.56 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: nothing will be as fast as android really |
| 23:09.00 | digitalirony | its MADE for phone hardware |
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| 23:09.05 | chrisirc__ | well the console always just shows the kernel messages, same as dmesg and kern.log |
| 23:09.06 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: why not go for a nexus/google phone which will be closer to gnu/linux than most? |
| 23:09.06 | digitalirony | optimized for it even |
| 23:09.16 | digitalirony | ^ |
| 23:09.40 | digitalirony | chrisirc__: hrmm, if unloading and loading the modules doesn't work, reboot? |
| 23:09.47 | digitalirony | sounds like something somewhere is stuck |
| 23:09.48 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, my father has an android but it seems laggy |
| 23:10.04 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: well my mom has a 10 year old PC thats laggy |
| 23:10.08 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: really it's the vendor or the carrier who add non-free stuff that you are stuck with, etc..... or hack a AOSP-type rom on it |
| 23:10.16 | digitalirony | and my cousin bought a laptop at the thrift store thats laggy |
| 23:10.20 | Alikexhi | I mean compared to old style phone with only text + phone |
| 23:10.33 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: well probably just has a cheap one |
| 23:10.34 | ImaLamer | Alikexhi: that's just the nature of computing |
| 23:10.48 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: get you one of these new quad core snap dragos |
| 23:10.51 | digitalirony | dragons |
| 23:10.52 | digitalirony | heh |
| 23:10.57 | Alikexhi | got trolled :( |
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| 23:11.18 | Alikexhi | only looking for a cheap and fast phone :D |
| 23:11.22 | no_gravity | Hello! How can I see what dependencies "apt-get remove xyz" would remove? |
| 23:11.25 | ImaLamer | the galaxy nexus with just 2 cores is pretty snappy |
| 23:11.30 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: well im looking for the holy grail too |
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| 23:11.48 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, I already have one but only text + phone |
| 23:11.52 | ImaLamer | Nexus 4 - cheap, fast, no bloat, more-free (tm) |
| 23:12.00 | digitalirony | its not that cheap |
| 23:12.04 | digitalirony | lol |
| 23:12.11 | digitalirony | specially outside of the US |
| 23:12.14 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, 20 $ |
| 23:12.15 | digitalirony | and without a contract |
| 23:12.19 | ImaLamer | compared to buying any other phone outright - it's pretty decent |
| 23:12.24 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, no contract |
| 23:12.25 | digitalirony | thats true |
| 23:12.31 | digitalirony | ImaLamer: but its not 20$ |
| 23:12.31 | digitalirony | lol |
| 23:12.39 | ImaLamer | right |
| 23:12.39 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: if you find one let me know |
| 23:12.41 | digitalirony | heh |
| 23:13.01 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, 20 €, 2 $ per month, but I'm not in US ;) and I paid it out of the contract |
| 23:13.03 | ImaLamer | no_gravity: you want to preview changes? |
| 23:13.06 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: maybe watch ebay for one with a cracked screen the owner is too stupid to fix |
| 23:13.10 | mtn | no_gravity: running that command should tell you if it wants to remove anything else |
| 23:13.28 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: you know how much our android phones cost out of contract? |
| 23:13.36 | digitalirony | upwards of 300$ US |
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| 23:13.44 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, I was talking about my cheap old phone with 2 text lines :D |
| 23:13.48 | digitalirony | oh |
| 23:13.53 | ImaLamer | ha! a 'good' one is ~$600USD |
| 23:13.56 | digitalirony | well you never defined cheap |
| 23:14.31 | digitalirony | and, Alikexhi im not sure what country you are in |
| 23:14.34 | mtn | it's hard to see the debian questions here in the android phone channel |
| 23:14.39 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, better buy a computer for that price |
| 23:14.45 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, france |
| 23:14.46 | digitalirony | but many will charge $600 + X% import fee etc |
| 23:14.53 | no_gravity | ImaLamer: i think so |
| 23:15.07 | digitalirony | Alikexhi: what if you already have a computer.... |
| 23:15.17 | digitalirony | and a $600 computer here wouldn't be very good |
| 23:15.20 | no_gravity | mtn: will remove ALWAYS ask me or is it dangerous to run that command? |
| 23:15.20 | ImaLamer | no_gravity: as mtn said you can run the command and just say "n" if you dont' want it all removed |
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| 23:15.45 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, I made a 150 $ computer :) quadcore |
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| 23:15.56 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, depend if you buy all the part separatly |
| 23:15.58 | digitalirony | what currency ? |
| 23:16.08 | mtn | no_gravity: if it is one item, it will remove it. if more than one, it will ask before removing |
| 23:16.21 | no_gravity | mtn: lets hope you are right... |
| 23:16.33 | ImaLamer | if everyone installed lildebi on their phones we'd be on topic |
| 23:16.44 | digitalirony | lol |
| 23:16.51 | ImaLamer | no_gravity: no fear! |
| 23:16.53 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, € |
| 23:17.06 | digitalirony | im not sure I believe that its a good computer |
| 23:17.15 | Alikexhi | digitalirony, so yeah, a bit more, but things are cheaper in your country, so would be the same amount in dollar |
| 23:17.41 | inhumantsar | anyone out there with debian/apache benchmarking tools? |
| 23:17.43 | ImaLamer | 150 euros is like 15,000 american dollars because this is a 3rd world country |
| 23:17.47 | inhumantsar | **familiar with... |
| 23:17.54 | digitalirony | lol |
| 23:18.08 | digitalirony | its only like $200 |
| 23:18.09 | digitalirony | US |
| 23:18.11 | ImaLamer | comes with a dictator and all :( |
| 23:18.23 | ImaLamer | inhumantsar: i apologize i am not |
| 23:18.37 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, 1 Euro = 1.3223 U.S. dollars, but things are more expensive here than in US |
| 23:19.03 | digitalirony | inhumantsar: just cat /dev/urandom into index.html and load it from 100 pcs at once |
| 23:19.17 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, we don't have CIA agents masturbating on our family photos at least :D |
| 23:19.20 | inhumantsar | lol |
| 23:19.22 | digitalirony | lol |
| 23:19.30 | ImaLamer | on or to? |
| 23:19.35 | Beggar | lol |
| 23:19.36 | digitalirony | boff |
| 23:19.37 | ImaLamer | one bothers me less than the other |
| 23:19.42 | digitalirony | lol |
| 23:20.00 | DreamPCs | Are there any potential problems with install gnome in the KDE version of wheezy? |
| 23:20.03 | Alikexhi | ImaLamer, hard for me the nuancy :D |
| 23:20.10 | jhutchins_wk | Let's bring the channel back to #debian-support please. #deiban-offtopic or somewhere else if you want to continue. |
| 23:20.27 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: what exactly do you mean? |
| 23:20.33 | jhutchins_wk | DreamPCs: No, you can have gnome, kde, xfce, and many others at the same time. |
| 23:20.42 | jhutchins_wk | !install gnome |
| 23:20.51 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 gnome-network-manager' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 23:20.52 | DreamPCs | Well, besides duplicating some apps could I run into any configuration issues? |
| 23:20.57 | DreamPCs | Thanks for the quick replies. |
| 23:21.12 | Alikexhi | jhutchins_wk, well no one was asking for any question that's why we were off-topic, but now someone ask a question => we stop |
| 23:21.13 | robert__ | Should Debian come with a qemu-kvm command? |
| 23:21.33 | jacobw | virsh, virt-install |
| 23:21.39 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: the biggest thing, imho, is having KDE applications in the gnome menu and visa-versa |
| 23:22.01 | DreamPCs | Is there any way to avoid that ImaLamer? |
| 23:22.06 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: which isn't really a problem, in a way it's nice. |
| 23:22.09 | jhutchins_wk | Alikexhi: We would rather you didn't do that. That way the buffer is cleaner for people who only check in occasionally, and they can see whatever problems were discussed earlier. There are plenty of good places for chat. |
| 23:22.24 | master_j | i'm using wheezy and getting W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:22.32 | jhutchins_wk | DreamPCs: No, they co-exist just fine, and can (and do) share apps. |
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| 23:22.41 | Alikexhi | jhutchins_wk, true did't think about that aspect sorry |
| 23:22.51 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: I think you would need to manually edit the menus |
| 23:23.09 | DreamPCs | Thanks guys, I'll go ahead and install gnome. Gnome is what I grew up with but KDE seems much more configurable (at least out of the box) |
| 23:23.15 | DreamPCs | So I'll stick with KDE for a bit. |
| 23:23.38 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: I, for example, am seeing Task Manager and System Monitor in XFCE... one is from Gnome, one from XFCE, different apps altogether |
| 23:23.40 | imox | hello I got this error message libcups.so load failure" |
| 23:23.50 | imox | can someone help me? |
| 23:24.02 | ImaLamer | DreamPCs: try out XFCE, it's gnome-like :D |
| 23:24.03 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, there is also xfce which looks like a bit like gnome but in lighter |
| 23:24.05 | master_j | i reinstalled debian-keyring but my packages are still listed as not authenticated |
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| 23:24.34 | DreamPCs | I've used XFCE, it's just a bit too light for me. |
| 23:24.45 | DreamPCs | Honestly, I'm liking gnome 3 a good amount. |
| 23:25.10 | DreamPCs | enlightenment is nice and lxde is pretty nice and very lightweight. |
| 23:25.29 | ImaLamer | i just got g3 working fully today and i'm in it now (dislike the alt-tab with multiple terminals open) |
| 23:25.53 | Alikexhi | DreamPCs, openbox is the lighter thing I found |
| 23:26.03 | DreamPCs | Forgot all about that one. |
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| 23:26.15 | pmo | atleast there get more and more extensions added for g3 |
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| 23:26.28 | DreamPCs | brb gotta clean up a bit. |
| 23:26.40 | pmo | the gnome shell and taskbar is annoying still |
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| 23:27.37 | ImaLamer | master_j: you can manually install the keys |
| 23:28.47 | ImaLamer | master_j: what servers are you hitting for updates? |
| 23:29.15 | master_j | i was using new zealands but i switched to us and still getting the error |
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| 23:30.20 | master_j | i went into synaptic and hit 'restore' under the authentication tab and now it's working. guess i deleted them by mistake. |
| 23:30.47 | ImaLamer | hrm |
| 23:31.11 | master_j | becaues they were listed 'squeeze' |
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| 23:31.58 | khem_ | is there any Debian package for Postfix policyd? |
| 23:32.26 | ImaLamer | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_apt_uses_Release.gpg |
| 23:32.30 | dondelelcaro | khem_: you mean cluebringer? |
| 23:32.43 | ImaLamer | !cluebringer |
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| 23:47.33 | voxadam | Is it strange that a package (byobu) suggests a package (apport) that doesn't exist in the standard repositories? |
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| 23:50.48 | dondelelcaro | voxadam: not that unusual |
| 23:51.27 | dondelelcaro | voxadam: in this case, apport exists in experimental |
| 23:53.05 | box_elder | anyone w/ insight on following error (php5-fpm w/ Apache / Debian 7): |
| 23:53.10 | box_elder | (2)No such file or directory: FastCGI: failed to connect to server "/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5-fcgi": connect() failed |
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| 23:54.14 | chloe | Where do I get linux help |
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| 23:55.36 | chloe | anyone here |
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| 23:55.56 | digitalirony | what kinda of linux |
| 23:56.06 | digitalirony | and yes, people are here, just have to be patient |
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| 23:56.38 | takeyourhatoff | I am using debian and have been fiddling with fonts recently, and now firefox I have no antialaliasing in firefox, but everything else is fine, how can I fix this? |
| 23:56.40 | digitalirony | chloe: just ask your question, and if someone knows they will answer |
| 23:57.29 | digitalirony | takeyourhatoff: not sure, I would maybe ask someone in firefox/mozilla community....may I suggest chrome/chromium? |
| 23:58.00 | ImaLamer | not ##linux |
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| 23:58.30 | chloe | I need help with debian linux specifically Gimp |
| 23:58.48 | digitalirony | chloe: can you be even more specific than that |
| 23:59.03 | ImaLamer | takeyourhatoff: is there a flag in the firefox settings that might need to be changed? |
| 23:59.12 | ImaLamer | takeyourhatoff: or you have something cache'd in video memory? |
| 23:59.29 | chloe | In GIMP I'm trying to make an entire selection made of many colors equally transparent, 50% transparent that is. Layer -> Transparency -> Add Alpha Channel doesn't work, and changing a single color like 008900 has mixed results |
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| 23:59.45 | digitalirony | takeyourhatoff: you can also try moving your ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.bak |
| 23:59.46 | chloe | (changing 008900 with Layer -> Transparency -> Color to Alpha) |
| 23:59.47 | digitalirony | see if that helps |
| 23:59.58 | digitalirony | if it does, then you know its something in your users configs |
